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Title: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2007, 05:58:31 PM
Have started this one to complement the Tyrone Club Football and Hurling thread  ;)

So, we need a point from the Mayo game to guarantee Division One survival -- any word on any of the injuries from last night's game against Kerry?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 01, 2007, 05:59:17 PM
Be prepared for a back lash
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2007, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 01, 2007, 05:59:17 PM
Be prepared for a back lash

From whom?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 01, 2007, 06:05:45 PM
Non-Tyrone people
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2007, 06:07:13 PM
I'll take my chances Ziggy, they don't have to read it!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 01, 2007, 06:08:14 PM
Don't say you weren't warned ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2007, 06:10:00 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 01, 2007, 06:08:14 PM
Don't say you weren't warned ;)

I'm braced!  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Fear Rua on April 01, 2007, 06:35:47 PM
How many sendings off so far this year?? There must be something in the rocwell
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2007, 08:07:15 PM
Still OK Ziggy  ;)

Now that we have reached the ultimate stage of the NFL, after the highs of the beginning, and the depths of the middle, it would seem that the footballers have turned something of a corner in that things are looking a lot less blacker than they were just a few weeks ago.

The Positives


Concerns

Unknowns (still)

Possibles (though probably not this year)

Fair assessment?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fionntamhnach on April 02, 2007, 08:21:10 PM
Aidan McCarron is still on the panel, was speaking to him today. Says the panel has been cut now to 38.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on April 02, 2007, 08:22:31 PM
Fairly close to the mark.

Only alterations / additions:

Positives
Mulgrew starting to look the part of CHF understudy
Sean Cavanagh still looking the best offensive MF in Ireland
Some deadwood off the panel

Negatives
P Donnelly's continuing place on the team / panel - 1 reasonable game does not a county player make
MH Still messin around with Joe McMahon - put him at FB and leave him there
Packies lack of brains at Kick outs - how many times to Dara O'De?????
Kelvin Hughes - not up to scratch
Lack of a decent CHF option (a year and 2 stone too early for Mulgrew)
Lack of forward cohesion
Myth of the production line still being exposed
u-21s
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2007, 08:23:12 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 02, 2007, 08:21:10 PM
Aidan McCarron is still on the panel, was speaking to him today. Says the panel has been cut now to 38.

Apologies Fionntamhnach, have just remembered him, and definitely worth his place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 02, 2007, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2007, 08:07:15 PM
Still OK Ziggy  ;)

I guess I over-reacted. I apologise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on April 02, 2007, 09:52:02 PM
What a needless thread Strath Ban! Have you nothing else to do than open unwanted threads ??? :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2007, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on April 02, 2007, 09:52:02 PM
What a needless thread Strath Ban! Have you nothing else to do that open unwanted threads ??? :-\

Well, if it's needless, it'll fall through into natural disuse and disappear.
Not appropriate to put county stuff on the club thread, and excessive to start a new one for each bit of news (unless old games are resurrected each time). QED. :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 02, 2007, 10:05:43 PM
I hate to say I told you so....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2007, 08:46:44 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 02, 2007, 10:05:43 PM
I hate to say I told you so....

That you did Ziggy, an unforgiving bunch here  ;)
Let this fade into obscurity if we don't want or need it, genuinely thought it may have filled a void, no big deal...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 05, 2010, 12:59:20 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2007, 08:46:44 AM

That you did Ziggy, an unforgiving bunch here  ;)
Let this fade into obscurity if we don't want or need it, genuinely thought it may have filled a void, no big deal...

Perhaps it's time to revive Fear's thread, there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to discuss the county team. An interesting few months are ahead with a number of changes on the panel surely? I think we have to look back on the last two seasons as missed opportunities. The Kerry and Cork sides who won the titles were deserving champions but not exceptional and given Tyrone looked on paper at least stronger than 2008 the manner in which they were knocked out is disappointing. The team this year showed (in Ulster at least) the ability to totally shut down the opponent and nullify their threat but unlike previous seasons this seemed to be somewhat at the expense of our own scoring threat. The forward line needs to be looked at and I would like to see somebody given a proper run at CHF to play the role fulfilled by Brian McGuigan in 2003 and 2005 and Colm McCullagh in 2008.

Has anybody heard anything on retirals? It would seem likely we will lose at least a couple of the stalwarts of the past decade. I wonder about Dooher and Ricey and perhaps even some of the class of 97/98.

Similarly though we will hopefully see a few of the 2008 boys coming onto the panel and making a real impact. Peter Harte and Coney are already there and need to kick on over the next few months. The likes of Tierney, McNab and Donnelly will also hopefully get a chance. The 2004 team hasnt provided as many players as we would have hoped but Aidan Cassidy can hopefully stay clear  of injury and nail down his place as he has threatened over the past couple of league seasons. McCaul is another who deserves some good fortune and he might yet establish himself if he stays fit. Is it too late for Mulgrew now? If he stays on the panel I would like to see him given a real run through the McKenna and the league and see if it brings him on. No point in him spending another season on the fringes of it.

A crucial year ahead and if Mickey can get some of the best youngsters through whilst a few of the older experienced heads are still playing we could have a very nice blend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 05, 2010, 08:55:57 AM
Agreed however the management has made 2 years of making the same misatakes and bluffing about integrating the youth.  The first sign of madness is making the same misatkes and hoping for a different result.  I doubt that Mickey is capable of trusting new players and giving them championship game time until they bed down - Its just in his nature.  He has achieved so much with his own players hes blind to some very pertinent facts about their ability to deliver in Croke Park.  Its totally understandable. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on October 05, 2010, 11:10:28 AM
Quote from: rrhf on October 05, 2010, 08:55:57 AM
Agreed however the management has made 2 years of making the same misatakes and bluffing about integrating the youth.  The first sign of madness is making the same misatkes and hoping for a different result.  I doubt that Mickey is capable of trusting new players and giving them championship game time until they bed down - Its just in his nature.  He has achieved so much with his own players hes blind to some very pertinent facts about their ability to deliver in Croke Park.  Its totally understandable.

Agree 100%.  How do we go forward and change though?  Will MH change his approach or not?  What is the alternatives?

I have been living outside the County for a few years now, therefore I am not completely up to speed with the personnel available within the county.  I suppose what I am getting at is who are the players that could potentially make a difference that currently are not involved?  We need scoring forwards with pace and the right attitude, who are the best in the County coming through?  How good is Daisy McDermott, Gareth Devlin or Kyle Coney?  What about recent Under 21 stars, namely Finbar Magill or Johnny Lafferty?  Whatever happened to underage star Ronan McCrory?

I honestly don't believe for one minute that in Tyrone we do not have a few big men who can field a ball and play a bit too, who are the realistic contenders to help with the midfield issue?  I have heard names mentioned before (i.e. McConville, Rouse, Ronan Lafferty), but what is the general concencus on these and the other contenders?

A general question I have, who is the best talent coming through the underage ranks at the minute?  Apart from the obvious standout minors, are there any real superstars in the making around the county at 16, 17 years of age?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on November 19, 2010, 12:51:16 PM
I hear from RTE.ie, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullagh have quit inter-county football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: gerry on November 19, 2010, 10:06:50 PM
Just seen that, can not see mccullagh changing his mind again.  More to follow i guess.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrones own on November 25, 2010, 01:37:51 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on November 19, 2010, 12:51:16 PM
I hear from RTE.ie, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullagh have quit inter-county football.
Sure didn't I tell ye that 6 weeks ago  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on November 25, 2010, 01:39:53 AM
Quote from: Tyrones own on November 25, 2010, 01:37:51 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on November 19, 2010, 12:51:16 PM
I hear from RTE.ie, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullagh have quit inter-county football.
Sure didn't I tell ye that 6 weeks ago  :-\

You guessed just :p
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 20, 2010, 12:21:30 AM
From the hoganstand.com:

Brian Dooher will captain Tyrone for an eighth consecutive year in 2011.

Manager Mickey Harte has confirmed that the Clan na nGael clubman will retain the role next season, despite the fact that he will be 36 by time the championship is over. Dooher has been Tyrone's most successful captain ever, skippering them to All-Ireland titles in 2005 and '08. He also captained them to an Ulster championship in the season just past.


"Brian has been one of the greatest servants this county has had," Harte said.

Dooher will miss the Dr McKenna Cup in January but is expected to return during the National League campaign.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on January 15, 2011, 11:06:01 AM
what date is the tyrone  v monaghan game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rocky Mc Guigan on January 15, 2011, 03:42:36 PM
5th June
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Celt_Man on February 28, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
Lads, looking for directions to Castlederg GAA pitch.  If word on the street is correct, the local school are playing up there tomorrow afternoon so want to know where I'm going!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redcard on February 28, 2011, 08:28:14 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on February 28, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
Lads, looking for directions to Castlederg GAA pitch.  If word on the street is correct, the local school are playing up there tomorrow afternoon so want to know where I'm going!!

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=castlederg&aq=&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=11.071054,28.256836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Castlederg,+County+Tyrone,+United+Kingdom&ll=54.708805,-7.598162&spn=0.010562,0.027595&z=15&layer=c&cbll=54.708885,-7.598179&panoid=PL0GdoYUqRQzwnEhd_D1fw&cbp=12,167.54,,0,5.42


STRAIGHT DOWN THE END OF THAT ROAD I THINK

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 28, 2011, 08:33:06 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on February 28, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
Lads, looking for directions to Castlederg GAA pitch.  If word on the street is correct, the local school are playing up there tomorrow afternoon so want to know where I'm going!!

Do you know how to get to Castlederg?

The pitch is just outside the town centre. The town is fairly small so you'll have little bother finding it. There are really 3 roads in, the Castlegore Rd, Drumquin rd or the Strabane rd depending on what way you make your way North.

Once you're in the Derg you'll have little bother finding the pitch. Basically go through the town centre/ diamond and head for the Killeter Rd, and it's about 100 yards out there behind some houses. I think the houses have a sign outside saying 'Ashburn Park'.

http://maps.google.com/maps?&daddr=(54.707378,%20-7.598922)&z=9 (http://maps.google.com/maps?&daddr=(54.707378,%20-7.598922)&z=9)


Any questions or problems gimme a shout. You can get it on google street view as well.

Edit: I think red card is right. It's the turn in before Ashburn Park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Celt_Man on March 01, 2011, 03:40:45 AM
Cheers lads.  Much appreciated
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fíor Gael on March 03, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
Lads where is Philip Jordan this year? He's on my fantasy football team and hasnt made an appearance yet!!! What's the story?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on March 10, 2011, 06:49:31 AM
Are Harry og and C Grugan on the u21 panel this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: up tyrone on March 10, 2011, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on March 03, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
Lads where is Philip Jordan this year? He's on my fantasy football team and hasnt made an appearance yet!!! What's the story?
Will be back for the last 2 nfl games recovering from serious hip trouble.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 10, 2011, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 10, 2011, 06:49:31 AM
Are Harry og and C Grugan on the u21 panel this year?

They definately weren't on the initial panel, havent heard if they were called up since. On paper should have a strong forward line. Could be something like this:
Gervin
Harte
Coney
McNeice
Donnelly
O'Neill
I would guess though that Harte may be used at centre half back. Also not sure if Gervin has recoverd from injury.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone86 on March 11, 2011, 12:58:59 AM
Gervin the elder is definitely out for next Wednesday, but by all accounts John McCullagh is absolutely flying and, apart from O'Neill, will probably be the only of last years Minors to be in contention for a start. Harry og and a few others are unavailable as St Pat's are still in the MacRory.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on March 26, 2011, 01:00:36 AM
History has been made in Tyrone gaelic games with the confirmation of a major sponsorship deal between Target Express and the Tyrone Ladies GFA, leaving Target now as the sponsors of all ladies inter county teams, the men's adult and underage teams, as well as  the hurlers and handballers of the county, making their link up with the ladies a virtual closed circle of support for Tyrone gaelic games, unprecedented in gaelic games circles.

The sponsorship agreement that also involves kit supplier O'Neill's International will see all Tyrone Ladies teams from U14 to Senior wearing a new style jersey emblazoned with the Target Express livery.  Speaking at the launch at the superb Beragh Red Knights complex on Friday county Ladies Chairman Martin Conway expressed his delight at the deal and explained the reasons behind the design, "The new jersey retains the "classic" Tyrone GAA design as used by the current Men's teams and incorporates both the Tyrone Ladies GFA and the new Ladies Gaelic Football Association logos.  It was felt that keeping the design the same as the Men's teams would help encourage the view of Tyrone as being one GAA family as we strive for increased integration of our games.. As well, both the Ladies County Board and the McBrien family owners of Target Express are conscious of the financial pressures that families are under and this will minimise the need for totally different shirts and leisure wear when supporting all the County teams".

Tyrone's ladies county board worked closely with Ciaran McLaughlin, the Tyrone county Chair, to seal the deal with the McBrien family while Kieran Kennedy of O'Neill's international sportswear  was a massive help in getting the design just right. Ladies Chair Mr Conway heaped praise on those involved,  "The support and assistance of Ciaran McLaughlin has been tremendous while  Kieran Kennedy's commitment to the GAA in Tyrone can't be over emphasised, we can really have "one identity"  in our gaelic games family in Tyrone now. Targets support is superb and eases the financial strain of fielding our county sides in leagues and championships in the coming years"
Target Express director Paul McBrien was delighted to be involved now with almost all aspects of gaelic games in Tyrone, " We made a commitment last year to Tyrone and I am delighted that in the past six months we have added the handballers and now the ladies GFA in the county, the GAA family in the O'Neill county is strong and I hope our contribution can help Tyrone ,at all levels achieve the highest honours available, the senior ladies went close last year, we hope that all Ireland "Target" can be achieved this year"

The kit supplied by O'Neills, who is of course a major employer in the Strabane area, is produced locally by local people, Kieran Kennedy also happy to be involved, " We are delighted to play our part in this relationship with the Tyrone Ladies GFA, we are a local company with strong community links and that includes men, women, boys and girls, its natural for us to be involved with all aspects of gaelic games in the county"

http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2011/03/ladies-seal-new-deal/ (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2011/03/ladies-seal-new-deal/)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 26, 2011, 10:48:25 AM
This thread has been quiet for a long time.

With all the chat of poor attendances at most of the games so far, are many expected in Omagh for Sunday week?
Is it all ticket?

Has Tommy Freeman gone to the States or not?

Interesting to hear that Dooher is leading the way again in the fitness bleep tests.
He might not be as influential as he used to be but he certainly sets the bar for a lot of the squad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on May 26, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
He was winning the beeb tests this time last year but was one of the main reasons we lost ahainst Dublin in the quarters. His time has gone I doubt. :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on May 26, 2011, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 26, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
He was winning the beeb tests this time last year but was one of the main reasons we lost ahainst Dublin in the quarters. His time has gone I doubt. :-\

How many of the 17 wides did he shoot ?

That's the principle reason why Tyrone lost last year. The shooting boots were left behind.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 26, 2011, 01:27:48 PM
And that bit of luck you need was missing all day

Penrose has two great goal chances and scores none.
His one of the post goes wide

They hit the post for a point. Ball comes down and lands in O'Gara's hands and he can't miss from 6 yards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on May 26, 2011, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2011, 01:27:48 PM
And that bit of luck you need was missing all day

Penrose has two great goal chances and scores none.
His one of the post goes wide

They hit the post for a point. Ball comes down and lands in O'Gara's hands and he can't miss from 6 yards.
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That was part of it as well - when it rains, it pours -  usually he can miss from 6 yards but not on that occasion.  :(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on May 26, 2011, 02:28:07 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 26, 2011, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 26, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
He was winning the beeb tests this time last year but was one of the main reasons we lost ahainst Dublin in the quarters. His time has gone I doubt. :-\

How many of the 17 wides did he shoot ?

That's the principle reason why Tyrone lost last year. The shooting boots were left behind.

Don't know how many he shot but his usual link play and running game was absent that day. I don't know how Mickey watched him for so long. On another day some of the wides would have went over but Dooher would still have looked poor. He was a great servent but his time has gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Cde on May 26, 2011, 05:25:49 PM
Dont agree with that EC. Maybe his time to play the whole match may be passed but I believe he would still be very effective if he was introduced for the last 15 min of a game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on May 26, 2011, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: Cde on May 26, 2011, 05:25:49 PM
Dont agree with that EC. Maybe his time to play the whole match may be passed but I believe he would still be very effective if he was introduced for the last 15 min of a game.

Yes fair point. He is still a good enough squad member with a possible roll as an impact sub but def shoud not start games IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 02, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
Folks I was just wondering how many times have Tyrone met Dublin in the championship and what is the win loss ratio

From my memory & the help of wiki

2010 Dublin won 1/4 final 1.15 - 0.13
2008 Tyrone won semi final 3.14 - 1.08
2005 Tyrone won replay 2.18 - 1.14
1995 Dublin won 1.10 - 0.12
1984 Dublin won 2.11 - 0.08

Am I missing any?
Were there other meetings before this?
I think it was Galway, Louth and Cork who knocked us out in the earlier years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on June 02, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on June 02, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on June 02, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.

Wasn't 2010 the semi final?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 02, 2011, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 02, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on June 02, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.

Wasn't 2010 the semi final?

Who beat Down in the final then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 02, 2011, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 02, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on June 02, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.

Wasn't 2010 the semi final?

Down and the Dubs both beat Kerry and Tyrone on AIQF day in 2010.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2011, 01:12:36 PM
Anyone have strong feelings about potential county lads (in any club) that haven't been given a chance at that (Senior) level yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: snippets on August 20, 2011, 01:44:19 PM
Ronan O Neill needs looked at and maybe this championship campaign will illustrate why. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2011, 02:08:23 PM
Ciarán Girvan, and maybe Johnny Lafferty of Urney too (he must be good if a Sigersons bod is recommending him!  ;))!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on September 18, 2011, 06:00:35 PM
since the mauling they got from kerry in 09, dublin have rebuilt and won an ai in 2 years. tyrone with the right approach can do it in 1 season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on September 19, 2011, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: clarshack on September 18, 2011, 06:00:35 PM
since the mauling they got from kerry in 09, dublin have rebuilt and won an ai in 2 years. tyrone with the right approach can do it in 1 season.

Since the mauling they got from Meath in 2010, they have won the All Ireland in little over a year later.  With the talent in the County, you would imagine that Tyrone could turn it around also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on October 21, 2011, 06:47:56 PM
See the NFL fixtures are out.3 of the home games on Saturday nights.
4 Feb Kildare A
11 Feb Derry H
4 Mar Louth A
10 Mar W'meath H
18 Mar Galway A
24 Mar Meath H
8 Apr Monaghan H
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 22, 2011, 11:39:26 AM
St Paddys rip over the weekend in Galway then...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 28, 2012, 05:43:51 PM
We (TAD.ie) had an event with the Dublin Lord Mayor on Saturday night which we presented him with one of those Cian Corrigan half Dublin hald Tyrone jerseys.
Our chairman and well known figure on here told him how the jersey might be useful to him this Sept.

In 2003         Tyrone won their      1st   AI beating Armagh the reigning AI champions
2 years later Tyrone won their      2nd  AI beating Kerry, the reigning AI champions
3 years later Tyrone won their      3rd  AI beating Kerry,  the reigning AI champions
4 years later Tyrone will win their 4th  AI beating Dublin,  the reigning AI champions

Does anyone know has the throw in times been decided yet for the Ulster Championship?
I see its on the same day as the Rep of Ireland's first Euro 2012 game with Croatia.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: KIDDO 4 on March 11, 2012, 01:34:29 AM
Minors 2pm , Seniors 4pm , live tv coverage for senior game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 11, 2012, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on March 11, 2012, 01:34:29 AM
Minors 2pm , Seniors 4pm , live tv coverage for senior game.

Cheers KIDDO. Was wondering the times myself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: KIDDO 4 on March 16, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
MacCumhails  1.8 Strabane 0.8 full time in Ulster intermediate  league semi final  tonight in Ballybofey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 21, 2012, 10:41:44 AM
Any word on Mugsy's injury?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 21, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
I heard Petey Harte was left badly concussed after yesterdays game also. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: year til sunday on July 22, 2012, 12:04:14 PM
after yesterdays disappointing defeat to Kerry I can't help but feel a few mistakes in team selection were made. I can't understand how McCurry goes from joining the panel 6 weeks ago, to 4 points late on v Roscommon, to starting v Kerry in Killarney. What the lad did against the Rossies was no doubt impressive but surely highlighted the need to use him as an impact sub rather than starter, wasn't that going to be the role of Ronan O'Neill this year anyway prior to injury?

I didn't believe even before the Armagh game that the McMahon/Cavanagh combo at midfield would work; and for that day at least it did, but it was taken to pieces both against Donegal and Kerry. What I am confused about though was while both players were keen to get forward and attempt to get on the scoresheet there was less emphasis on breaking even around the middle and winning the break ball - instead Tyrone were happy to accept kick-out possession on their own 21 and build from there; a very inefficient way of playing the game at this level.

Tyrone's injury record of late is something of concern. I'm not sure of the reason for McCarron's absence but McNabb and Justin McMahon have been on the rocks all year with niggles and I wonder if playing injured in club games between Tyrone games is hampering these lads. McMahon missed the League Final this year due to injury but had played FF for Omagh the week before in a League game and only lasted until half time, surely the player and club management could have avoided that happening, after all Omagh will need him fit for their games also! One report this week had McMahon training on an anti-gravity treadmill to assist rehab, I think at that rate, and with his injury history over the last 18 months the medical team need to be asking serious questions!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on July 22, 2012, 01:14:51 PM
Is Raymie Mulgrew still in Oz? Very good player, never really got a chance with Tyrone seniors
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 11, 2012, 10:43:11 AM
ALLIANZ NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE

SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 03 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Down v Tyrone

SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 10 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Mayo v Tyrone

SUNDAY, MARCH 03 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Tyrone v Donegal

SUNDAY, MARCH 10 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Tyrone v Cork (2.30).

SATURDAY, MARCH 16 (7.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Dublin v Tyrone

SUNDAY, MARCH 24 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Kildare v Tyrone (2.30).

SUNDAY, APRIL 07 (3.00 unless stated).
Div 1: Tyrone v Kerry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 06, 2012, 12:36:24 PM
Haven't looked in here for ages so was interesting to read year til sunday's post after the Kerry game this year one more time.

Now that the leagues & championships are drawing to a close how do our county squad players look like they're shaping up for the upcoming new year?

How did young McCurry do for his club this year and have we any other new kids on the block to watch out for?
Will young Clarke become a regular in defence next year?

If you had to pick your team to start away to Down now who would you be going for, assuming all injuries are cleared up?
Will Ronan O'Neill & Kyle Coney be our new white hopes in 2013?
Hard to believe it will be 10 years since we first won it.

If I had to pick a team I'd be looking at this

Packie
McCrory
Clarke
McCaul
McCarron
Joey
Sean O'Neill
Sean Cavanagh
Cassidy/Justy
Colm Cava
M.Donnelly
Penrose
Ronan O'Neill
Stephen O'Neill -  I wonder how many of ye would drop Stevie this year?
Kyle Coney

Yes I'm aware I've left out Block, Mugsy & McNabb
Am I missing any other big names or new hot shots like McCurry?
Wonder would it be worth trying Colm Cavanagh back into FF if Mickey would release Justy from FB to MF. I get the feeling though that if Justy is fit he'll always play him at FB.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 06, 2012, 12:49:58 PM
Well Fuzz

I believe an annoucement on a new squad & also a new sponsor will be made by the county board fairly soon, likely towards the end of the week

Only speculation at this stage (before I get shouted at) but I believe that Coalislands Louis O'Neill & Plunkett Kane both got called up. However how experimental the squad is for the McKenna Cup we'll have to wait and see, as thats all I am aware of at the moment.

I think we will have a bit more food for thought towards the end of the week though.

Havnt seen as much of the club championships this year due to working in England but id like to see Connor McAliskey, Conan Grugan & Niall Sludden given an opportunity in January.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 06, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
What age is Plunkett Kane? Seems to have done well for Coalisland for a few years now. McCurry has did well for Edendork all year and I'm sure will hold his place in the squad. Grugan and Sludden could be worth looking at to. Once Errigal go out he may consider a couple of them as well (maybe Canavan though could be too soon).

If I was Harte I would be begging Enda McGinley to come back. He's back fit and in good form. He's exactly what Tyrone need around the middle and could be a great partner for Sean Cavanagh. That would allow Colm Cavanagh and Joe McMahon to take up the half forward slots and would leave the team a bit more able to compete physically. Before anyone says it would be a step back because of his age, I don't care what age he is - I want the best 15 players on the pitch for Tyrone next year whether they're 19 or 34.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 06, 2012, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 06, 2012, 12:36:24 PM
Haven't looked in here for ages so was interesting to read year til sunday's post after the Kerry game this year one more time.

Now that the leagues & championships are drawing to a close how do our county squad players look like they're shaping up for the upcoming new year?

How did young McCurry do for his club this year and have we any other new kids on the block to watch out for?
Will young Clarke become a regular in defence next year?

If you had to pick your team to start away to Down now who would you be going for, assuming all injuries are cleared up?
Will Ronan O'Neill & Kyle Coney be our new white hopes in 2013?
Hard to believe it will be 10 years since we first won it.

If I had to pick a team I'd be looking at this

Packie
McCrory
Clarke
McCaul
McCarron
Joey
Sean O'Neill
Sean Cavanagh
Cassidy/Justy
Colm Cava
M.Donnelly
Penrose
Ronan O'Neill
Stephen O'Neill -  I wonder how many of ye would drop Stevie this year?
Kyle Coney

Yes I'm aware I've left out Block, Mugsy & McNabb
Am I missing any other big names or new hot shots like McCurry?
Wonder would it be worth trying Colm Cavanagh back into FF if Mickey would release Justy from FB to MF. I get the feeling though that if Justy is fit he'll always play him at FB.

You have also left out Harte who has been in fantastic form for Errigal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 06, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
Yeah Davey and Enda crossed my mind but I suppose both looked like they had retired last year or was Davey in the squad for the latter games of the summer.

Interesting to read how well Penrose did last Sat night and with the addition of Coney, O'Neill, McCurry to Penrose and Donnelly, we could actually have a very pacey talented forward line.

Do the rest of ye see Clarke as our future FB?
Will Justy be hamstrung again all next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stall the Bailer on November 06, 2012, 02:26:40 PM
You also left out Peter Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 06, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
Ouch!!!

That's a biggie alright.
In fairness I'm dying with a cold and was up half the night with sick kids.  :(

I know its still not the end of 2012 yet but I am actually excited again looking forward to a fresh new team. We gave Donegal a hell of a game last year playing them at their own game.

My Dub mates down here are already looking forward to Sat 16th March. I'd say they'll miss Ricey.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on November 06, 2012, 04:00:34 PM
Is there not a series of trials over the next 3 Wednesday's? So I don't think any McKenna cup squad has been finalised as yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 07, 2012, 08:40:32 AM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on November 06, 2012, 02:26:40 PM
You also left out Peter Harte

;D ;D That is the one I was referring to also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 07, 2012, 11:21:12 PM
Great to see the 'Horse' Devlin enlisted (or was it cashiered?  ;))!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 08, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
It will be interesting to see what sort of impact if any Horse will have.
Sounds like he's well respected by Mickey anyway but I always wonder how much Mickey listens to Donnelly & Co.

Remind me who's that lad on page 3 of the Gaelic Life today? He played v Kerry the last day in defence. Are we expecting great things from him this year? Was a strange game for Mickey to give him a run in I thought.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 08, 2012, 03:13:55 PM
havnt seen todays Gaelic Life... sounds like your describing Ronan McNamee though?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 08, 2012, 04:45:26 PM
yeah thats who its is
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Antrim Coaster on November 09, 2012, 10:31:01 AM
The Return of Datsun Donaghy

http://vimeo.com/52865032
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 27, 2012, 06:05:00 PM
Any word on how the trials went? Any new call-ups for the 2013 season?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 27, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
Omagh's Conan Grugan has been called up for the coming year, for one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on November 27, 2012, 07:22:02 PM
http://www.gaeliclife.com/2012/11/27/exclusive-tyrone-boss-harte-wields-the-axe/

QuoteTYRONE boss Mickey Harte has axed a dozen of his Red Hand senior squad ahead of the 2013 campaign, including a number of household names.

A host of seasoned stars have been culled from the squad in what is the most dramatic shake-up the panel has seen since their 2008 All-Ireland win.

Gaelic Life understands that those considered to be surplus to requirements include Brian McGuigan and Owen Mulligan, while Errigal duo John Devine and Davy Harte have also been excluded from the 2013 plans.

The axe has also fallen on Dromore defensive pair Cathal McCarron and Sean O'Neill, midfielders Aidan Cassidy and Niall McKenna, defenders Damian McCaul and Stephen McNally, as well as attackers Peter Hughes and Ciaran Gervin.

The new-look Tyrone squad will gather for their first team meeting tomorrow night (Wednesday), and is expected to include Omagh St Enda's pair Conan Grugan and Barry Tierney, Errigal's Ciaran McGinley, Strabane and St Mary's defender Danny McBride, Newtownstewart's Kevin Gallagher, Clonoe attacker Conor McAliskey, and Kildress full-back Dean McNally.

By my reckoning that's no Dromore players left, one Coalisland and one Clonoe...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 27, 2012, 09:39:20 PM
Couldn't see some of those listed as dropped completely,maybe not involved in McKenna cup..oneill for one is too good, seen him for dromore a few times & was excellent..also not sure about some of the new lads being up to county senior standard !!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 28, 2012, 10:32:57 AM
Quote from: barelegs on November 27, 2012, 07:22:02 PM
http://www.gaeliclife.com/2012/11/27/exclusive-tyrone-boss-harte-wields-the-axe/

QuoteTYRONE boss Mickey Harte has axed a dozen of his Red Hand senior squad ahead of the 2013 campaign, including a number of household names.

A host of seasoned stars have been culled from the squad in what is the most dramatic shake-up the panel has seen since their 2008 All-Ireland win.

Gaelic Life understands that those considered to be surplus to requirements include Brian McGuigan and Owen Mulligan, while Errigal duo John Devine and Davy Harte have also been excluded from the 2013 plans.

The axe has also fallen on Dromore defensive pair Cathal McCarron and Sean O'Neill, midfielders Aidan Cassidy and Niall McKenna, defenders Damian McCaul and Stephen McNally, as well as attackers Peter Hughes and Ciaran Gervin.

The new-look Tyrone squad will gather for their first team meeting tomorrow night (Wednesday), and is expected to include Omagh St Enda's pair Conan Grugan and Barry Tierney, Errigal's Ciaran McGinley, Strabane and St Mary's defender Danny McBride, Newtownstewart's Kevin Gallagher, Clonoe attacker Conor McAliskey, and Kildress full-back Dean McNally.

By my reckoning that's no Dromore players left, one Coalisland and one Clonoe...

Cathal McCarron and Ronan Mc Nabb are still part of the set up and im pretty sure young Sludden will be called into the squad this year. So there will still be Dromore representation, need to think before you speak.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 28, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
journalists love scoops especially at this time of year its only mc kenna cup panel some of those left out will be playing for colleges they attend
egeseges they are at
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 28, 2012, 12:11:19 PM
I'm sure there won't be much of a decision for the like of Danny McBride to make when it comes to a chance with Tyrone or playing for a college.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on November 28, 2012, 05:57:48 PM
Massive clearout.  Massive.  A case of management losing the plot, omitting boys of 22/23 years of age?

Suppose something has to be done.  The last 2 years havent been good enough, hammering defeats to Dublin and again against an aged Kerry team last year.  Strange someone like Sean O'Neill ousted considered he played a lot last year.  McKenna and Cassidy also came on ina  few championship games.  All very strange.   

Anyone have any ideas of any new comers to the panel????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 28, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 28, 2012, 05:57:48 PM
Massive clearout.  Massive.  A case of management losing the plot, omitting boys of 22/23 years of age?

Suppose something has to be done.  The last 2 years havent been good enough, hammering defeats to Dublin and again against an aged Kerry team last year.  Strange someone like Sean O'Neill ousted considered he played a lot last year.  McKenna and Cassidy also came on ina  few championship games.  All very strange.   

Anyone have any ideas of any new comers to the panel????

Your lad Kevin Gallagher from Newtown is a good footballer- albeit I've only seen him in Div 3. Always influential in any game I've seen. Not sure how he'd fare in Croke Pk in the Championship but definitely merits a crack.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 29, 2012, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 28, 2012, 05:57:48 PM
Anyone have any ideas of any new comers to the panel????

Danny Mc Bride has led by example for Sigersons this year (in particular, defending with steel and attacking with flair, despite failing at the penultimate hurdle for promotion to Division I), and given that he's a Ranch kingpin as well it's no surprise that he's been called up for County duty (though I might well say that  ;)).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 25, 2012, 09:25:30 AM
Was out for a few pints da udder night with some dubs & we were saying how after Christmas most people are a bit down with nothing to look forward to. However with the pre league competitions about to start I love that excitement of looking at new players & watch them try to take their chance. Some know that they could be playing in Croke park in front of 70,000 later in the year. I don't know many of the new batch so wondered if you do know them who can you see pushing to get into the team this year? Will Mattie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill, Coney & McNamee be regulars?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 30, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
I suppose out of the new younger players they're 4 of the more likely to start in the coming year. Mattie Donnelly looked like he had good potential but still feel he has more to do to earn a regular starting place. I could be wrong but he seemed to be scoring less at club level last year and wasn't doing much scoring for Tyrone (partly expected due to his role).

You'd be hoping that both Coney and O'Neill could have an injury free year and really push on. Would make a big difference to the forward line. Will also be very interesting to see how McCurry gets on this year.

Harte obviously rates McNamee highly so looking forward to seeing him in new year. I really think we need to find at least another one really good man marker in defence.

In the last few years there are a number of players who always seem to be injured at some point come the championship. The likes of Coney, Justy McMahon, McNabb and PJ Quinn always seem to pick up injuries. It would be great if we got a good run on this front this year.
Title: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: carmenabu on February 02, 2013, 05:47:03 PM
Hi, anyone know of link to get sentanta sports stream for Down V Tyrone match today
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on March 02, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
Tyrone will welcome three of the last four All-Ireland Champions and the winners of six of the last seven Allianz National Leagues to Healy Park, Omagh this Spring

·         That means Donegal; Cork; and Kerry come to visit in the space of five weeks

·         Tyrone's 'Spring into Action' campaign builds on this unique opportunity to see Ireland's best teams and players in action

·         Tyrone has never previously enjoyed a home Allianz League programme of this quality

·         The campaign involves a 'Spring into Action Red Hand View' fanzine being put into every school in Tyrone (15,000 copies across 100 schools): a copy is attached

·         Under 16s get free access to all games

·         Under 16s also get the chance to enter a free draw at each game (in association with Tyrone sponsors, Hunky Dorys and O'Neills)

·         The draw prizes are:

o       5 O'Neills Footballs (this prize will be drawn at the Donegal game on 3 March)

o       4 tickets for a family to a corporate box for the Dublin/Tyrone game in Croke Park on 16 March (drawn at the Cork game on 10 March)

o       4 Family Passes to Tayto Park in Meath (drawn at the Kerry game on 7 April).

·         Draw tickets are included as part of the 'Spring into Action Red Hand View' fanzine and collection points will be available at the Donegal, Cork and Kerry games

·         The Kerry game will end with Tyrone's now traditional 'Meet the Players' opportunity
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on March 03, 2013, 03:44:36 PM
any sign of club football????????? or do they care????????????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 03, 2013, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: The Trap on March 03, 2013, 03:44:36 PM
any sign of club football????????? or do they care????????????

Would that be the club football thread you are looking for?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2013, 09:21:39 PM
Bad thumping for the U21s against Monaghan in Emyvale this evening (Shamrock Cup Final), losing 4-08 to 0-06!  :(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 06, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
Worrying result given the team that was out. From the minor winning team the only one's I noticed that didn't start were McGarrity, Deeney (came on), Canavan (came on) and Tierney. McCurry also didn't seem to play any part. Hasn't played for the seniors since January so can only assume he's carrying a knock. Bradley  came of the bench. Looked a serious talent for the minors last year but looked so small and light its hard to know if he'll be ready for this level. Would certainly be worried entering the u21 championship now in a few weeks. The only positive was the game time got by Grugan and Ronan O'Neill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 20, 2013, 12:01:19 PM
A big thanks to John Devine, and best to him, has been a great servant over the years.

Bad news about Kyle Coney - what's the latest on the injury? I take it no operation is necessary?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 20, 2013, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 06, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
Worrying result given the team that was out. From the minor winning team the only one's I noticed that didn't start were McGarrity, Deeney (came on), Canavan (came on) and Tierney. McCurry also didn't seem to play any part. Hasn't played for the seniors since January so can only assume he's carrying a knock. Bradley  came of the bench. Looked a serious talent for the minors last year but looked so small and light its hard to know if he'll be ready for this level. Would certainly be worried entering the u21 championship now in a few weeks. The only positive was the game time got by Grugan and Ronan O'Neill.

from memory that minor team took an awful thumping in the minor league final in 2010, think it was meath?
Hopefully its a good omen. Strong side on paper at least
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on March 20, 2013, 04:08:38 PM
Quote from: God14 on March 20, 2013, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 06, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
Worrying result given the team that was out. From the minor winning team the only one's I noticed that didn't start were McGarrity, Deeney (came on), Canavan (came on) and Tierney. McCurry also didn't seem to play any part. Hasn't played for the seniors since January so can only assume he's carrying a knock. Bradley  came of the bench. Looked a serious talent for the minors last year but looked so small and light its hard to know if he'll be ready for this level. Would certainly be worried entering the u21 championship now in a few weeks. The only positive was the game time got by Grugan and Ronan O'Neill.

from memory that minor team took an awful thumping in the minor league final in 2010, think it was meath?
Hopefully its a good omen. Strong side on paper at least
Took a hammering all right but it was Dublin who beat them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 20, 2013, 10:29:26 PM
John Devine has been some servant to Tyrone football.

A proper gentleman and an extremely talented goalkeeper who came to the rescue time after time.


I wish him well in his retirement and he leaves owing Tyrone nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on March 21, 2013, 11:05:14 AM
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s480x480/3447_547439628610424_1807454650_n.jpg)

Best of luck John. Plenty of medals to be won yet. #Errigal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 21, 2013, 01:09:29 PM
The U21s were some mess last night
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on August 21, 2013, 08:01:31 PM
What's the story with the Moy Park deal lads? It's great to see them invest some cash in Tyrone GAA, however... What do Moy Park get out of it? What's the difference in a title sponsor (hunky dory) and a "brand sponsor"??
Wasn't there a motion on congress passed for a second shirt sponsor?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on August 21, 2013, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: God14 on August 21, 2013, 08:01:31 PM
What's the story with the Moy Park deal lads? It's great to see them invest some cash in Tyrone GAA, however... What do Moy Park get out of it? What's the difference in a title sponsor (hunky dory) and a "brand sponsor"??
Wasn't there a motion on congress passed for a second shirt sponsor?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oSu2zRW5I

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 14, 2013, 03:22:18 PM
So 10 years on from our first AI final and how does Tyrone rate?
Well we have our new facilities up and running and we've more or less replaced most of the 2003 team to reasonable effect. Yes we've not won Sam for 5 years now but Mickey has introduced quite a few new young players who seem well capable of keeping us in the running for the top prize.
Not many would have expected to get to a Div 1 league final & AI semi this year so ye can slag off Mickey Harte & Tyrone's style all ye like but it's a great achievement for him to have us as one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the country having lost so many good players over the years.

High Hopes for 2014
Morgan, McGinley, McCurry & McAliskey, Mat Donnelly, Conor Clarke, McNamee & McKenna,  Ronan O'Neill, Coney & Peter Harte of course.
Any new lads coming through like McNulty or Lavery?

Concerned about
SON, Penrose, Justy & Peter Harte of course.
Will Block stay another year? Will McNabb ever get fit enough to be a regular?

I'd be keen to get more of the young lads starting during the league and not be always looking to Penrose and Stevie. Surely Grugan deserves a run out at MF to see how he goes.


I finally got a chance to watch the AI Live coverage yesterday and I heard Spillane & Brolly agree that there are no more good man to man markers anywhere in the country. It's a dying skill with the over dependance on sweepers and defensive systems.

Will Packie retire and Morgan be our new quarterback & top scorer?

Will the black card change our sytle of play radically or will Mickey continue with a running possession style game? Are many fans tired with this style of game & are we no longer an attack minded team that kick pass the ball regularly. Has Donegal's dominance over us in the last 3 years shaped how we play the game now?

I'd worry he'll look to continue running game even more as more pressure on other team to tackle better and not drag down etc.
I have to say I and loads more people I Know really dislike the way we approach games over the past number of years. It is so slow and laborious build up from the back. Our choice of playing a sweeper often means the opponents then do the same and so our forward line is always clogged up and we can't hit in long ball to them.

Why do we seem to never score goals any more? Goals win matches and look at Brogan's first goal v Mayo. We very rarely will kick a ball into our FF like that any more.
Again is it because we play it slowly up the field from the back with short hand passing?

So what's the best path for 2014?
Tyrone v Down in Omagh (think back to 2005 or 2008)
Away to Monaghan (reigning champions out for revenge)
Tyrone Armagh/Cavan
Donegal or Derry in the final.

Lose to Down
Go back door & play 4 more games (only 1 more than Ulster route) on the road and hope to avoid any big guns.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 15, 2013, 11:53:18 AM
Getting withdrawal symptoms down there in Dublin Fuzzman?
Everyone else is looking at the club scene.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 10:11:38 AM
Some interesting points Fuzzman.

From what I believe trails for 2014 will take place in November.

Have we had any official retirements?
I can only see Packie and maybe Stevie O'Neill walking away. Joe McMahon has committed for 2014.
I would expect Conor Gormley to have an extended break and return at the halfway point of the National League.
2014 may well be last chance saloon for the likes of Justin McMahon (struggled since 2008) and Aidan Cassidy.
God knows what's going to happen with McCarron.

I would expect an overturn in the bench fodder or Kevin Gallagher, Johnny Lafferty, etc where they have got past that age where they can be considered for the future. The likes of Tieran McCann will stay on because of this. Hopefully an extended run for Grugan and maybe even see if Warnock can step up.

New faces added to the panel could be: Shay McGuigan, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly,PJ Lavery and Rory Brennan. I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Frank Burns into the mix either.

Team for first National League Match:
1. Morgan
2. Clarke
3. Joe McMahon
4. Aidan McCrory
5. Ryan McKenna
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Grugan
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Ciaran McGinley
11. Kyle Coney- Sink or Swim
12.  Matty Donnelly
13. McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McAliskey


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 16, 2013, 12:02:45 PM
Tyrone National League Fixtures

Derry vs Tyrone (1st Feb 7pm)

Tyrone vs Mayo (9th Feb 2pm)

Kildare vs Tyrone (2nd Mar 2pm)

Kerry vs Tyrone (9th March 2pm)

Tyrone vs Westmeath (16th Mar 2pm)

Cork vs Tyrone (30th Mar 2pm)

Tyrone vs Dublin (6th Apr 2pm)


Some tricky away fixtures plenty of travelling.  3 Home games, 4 Away games.  Season tickets holders will see the deep south.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 16, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
Yeah with CNG relegated weeks ago and I'm fed up listening to the Dubs going on about their AI the only thing I can look forward to now is the next battle of Omagh.

I was telling a few mates at the start of the league how I'm looking forward to seeing Coney, RoNeill, McCurry & McAliskey all settle into the team and become regulars hopefully in 2013. Injuries again seem to dominate a lot of the talk over such players as well as McNabb, Justy & Cassidy.

How does Grugan compare with Clarke? I was surprised Grugan didn't get a run out in those back door games last year, especially when we were hammering Offaly.
Are we to expect more of the same next year with Ronnie & Coney out injured a lot?

We always seem to get Derry away in the first round when they're in our league. We never beat them there.

Away to Kerry & Cork will be tough again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 16, 2013, 12:20:59 PM
Why are Tyrone away to Kildare 2 years in a row? All the other fixtures are reversed. Did we not have 4 away games last year? - Mayo, Dublin, Down and Kildare. Maybe its just a mistake - has to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 12:22:20 PM
Any idea of what date the first round of the Ulster Championship is? I'm trying to sort the Club Fixtures for 2014.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on October 16, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 12:51:28 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on October 16, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.

Towards the end of this season (2013) it was widely reported that Tiernan McCann and Sean Warnock were seen as two of the top performers in Mickey Harte's copyrighted 'In House Games'.
I personally don't really buy into these games as I always find it easier for a 'newbie' to motivate themselves for these. I couldn't see the likes of Conor Gormley or Joe McMahon being that buzzing during them.

Would like to see Joe getting the number 3 jersey permanently.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nothingbettertobeat on October 16, 2013, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 10:11:38 AM
Some interesting points Fuzzman.

From what I believe trails for 2014 will take place in November.

Have we had any official retirements?
I can only see Packie and maybe Stevie O'Neill walking away. Joe McMahon has committed for 2014.
I would expect Conor Gormley to have an extended break and return at the halfway point of the National League.
2014 may well be last chance saloon for the likes of Justin McMahon (struggled since 2008) and Aidan Cassidy.
God knows what's going to happen with McCarron.

I would expect an overturn in the bench fodder or Kevin Gallagher, Johnny Lafferty, etc where they have got past that age where they can be considered for the future. The likes of Tieran McCann will stay on because of this. Hopefully an extended run for Grugan and maybe even see if Warnock can step up.

New faces added to the panel could be: Shay McGuigan, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly,PJ Lavery and Rory Brennan. I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Frank Burns into the mix either.

Team for first National League Match:
1. Morgan
2. Clarke
3. Joe McMahon
4. Aidan McCrory
5. Ryan McKenna
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Grugan
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Ciaran McGinley
11. Kyle Coney- Sink or Swim
12.  Matty Donnelly
13. McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McAliskey




we'd struggle to win a McKenna cup with that side.
Mark Donnelly for his work-rate and team contribution would start all day long in that forward line id say ahead of Coney at 11.
Conor Gormley is still so far ahead of all them defenders named there it doesnt bare even thinking about the trouble them 6 defenders would endure if he wasn't part of Tyrones defence in 2014 hes a certain starter if he makes himself available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 16, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
The trials will be very interesting this year. Wonder will Ray Mulgrew, Tommy McGuigan or Colly Doris get another chance at it? The same applies to Niall McKenna although obviously he's a fair bit younger.
In terms of the younger talent coming through id agree with most of the names mentioned previously and add Tommy Canavan & Niall Sludden (if over injury)
Daniel McNulty would offer the full forward line something totally different from RON, skeet & McCurry & should definitely be considered.
Would Harry Og Conlan be in consideration at all? Havnt seen nor heard much of him since this past 12months but looked promising as a youngster.
Conan Grugan looked the part in 2012 club championship, but injuries etc seem to have taken him back a step. Looking from the outside, being part of the county panel seemed to be a hindrance in terms of getting games & getting back up to previous level.
Dean McNally from Kildress is one I thought had the potential to be a real sticky man marker & initially made the cut last year. Worth another look imho.
Kyle Coney is the great enigma. Could be a contender for player of the year in 2014, or might not kick a ball.
Either way Mickey has a lot to ponder & some big calls to make this side of Christmas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nothingbettertobeat on October 16, 2013, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: God14 on October 16, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
The trials will be very interesting this year. Wonder will Ray Mulgrew, Tommy McGuigan or Colly Doris get another chance at it? The same applies to Niall McKenna although obviously he's a fair bit younger.
In terms of the younger talent coming through id agree with most of the names mentioned previously and add Tommy Canavan & Niall Sludden (if over injury)
Daniel McNulty would offer the full forward line something totally different from RON, skeet & McCurry & should definitely be considered.
Would Harry Og Conlan be in consideration at all? Havnt seen nor heard much of him since this past 12months but looked promising as a youngster.
Conan Grugan looked the part in 2012 club championship, but injuries etc seem to have taken him back a step. Looking from the outside, being part of the county panel seemed to be a hindrance in terms of getting games & getting back up to previous level.
Dean McNally from Kildress is one I thought had the potential to be a real sticky man marker & initially made the cut last year. Worth another look imho.
Kyle Coney is the great enigma. Could be a contender for player of the year in 2014, or might not kick a ball.
Either way Mickey has a lot to ponder & some big calls to make this side of Christmas.


Think Dean McNally suffered horrific injury last season i doubt if h available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on October 16, 2013, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 10:11:38 AM
Some interesting points Fuzzman.

From what I believe trails for 2014 will take place in November.

Have we had any official retirements?
I can only see Packie and maybe Stevie O'Neill walking away. Joe McMahon has committed for 2014.
I would expect Conor Gormley to have an extended break and return at the halfway point of the National League.
2014 may well be last chance saloon for the likes of Justin McMahon (struggled since 2008) and Aidan Cassidy.
God knows what's going to happen with McCarron.

I would expect an overturn in the bench fodder or Kevin Gallagher, Johnny Lafferty, etc where they have got past that age where they can be considered for the future. The likes of Tieran McCann will stay on because of this. Hopefully an extended run for Grugan and maybe even see if Warnock can step up.

New faces added to the panel could be: Shay McGuigan, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly,PJ Lavery and Rory Brennan. I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Frank Burns into the mix either.

Team for first National League Match:
1. Morgan
2. Clarke
3. Joe McMahon
4. Aidan McCrory
5. Ryan McKenna
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Grugan
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Ciaran McGinley
11. Kyle Coney- Sink or Swim
12.  Matty Donnelly
13. McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McAliskey




we'd struggle to win a McKenna cup with that side.
Mark Donnelly for his work-rate and team contribution would start all day long in that forward line id say ahead of Coney at 11.
Conor Gormley is still so far ahead of all them defenders named there it doesnt bare even thinking about the trouble them 6 defenders would endure if he wasn't part of Tyrones defence in 2014 hes a certain starter if he makes himself available.

In the paragraph leading up to the team I suggested that Conor Gormley may have an extended break to mid national league. Wind. Your. Neck. In.

Also its the chance to see how the likes of Coney etc will do with an extended run. I wouldn't care how Tyrone finish in the National League- would like to see if certain players are up to this level.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 16, 2013, 04:37:36 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on October 16, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.

Define Grafter and confirm who you are referring to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 16, 2013, 04:51:32 PM
Is club football in Tyrone very defensive these days like how the county play or is it more attack minded?

I would love to see us revert back to a more attack minded team who don't always play with a sweeper. I am bored to tears watching us slowly playing the ball up from the back and rarely kick passing any long balls into our FF line as it has no support behind it as everyone is back defending.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nothingbettertobeat on October 16, 2013, 07:00:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 16, 2013, 04:51:32 PM
Is club football in Tyrone very defensive these days like how the county play or is it more attack minded?

I would love to see us revert back to a more attack minded team who don't always play with a sweeper. I am bored to tears watching us slowly playing the ball up from the back and rarely kick passing any long balls into our FF line as it has no support behind it as everyone is back defending.
Quote from: Tommo2 on October 16, 2013, 04:37:36 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on October 16, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.

Define Grafter and confirm who you are referring to?

Good shout tommo.

i was confused and the only man i can think of is Tiernan mcCann Killyclogher.
Big year for Coney hes still living on the promise of his minor days he needs to get himself alot fitter.
going by the fixtures we've been dealt in the national league that we will be down round the bottom rather than competing at the top IMO
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 16, 2013, 11:34:26 PM
2014 NFL  fixtures


Saturday, February 1st (7pm): Derry v Tyrone

Sunday, February 9th (2pm): Tyrone v Mayo

Sunday, March 2nd (2pm): Kildare v Tyrone

Sunday, March 9th (2pm): Kerry v Tyrone

Sunday, March 16th (2pm): Tyrone v Westmeath

Sunday, March 30th (2pm): Cork v Tyrone

Sunday, April 6th (3pm): Tyrone v Dublin

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on October 17, 2013, 08:15:03 AM
Yes Tiernan McCann was the lad I was referring too. Perhaps grafter is the wrong term but he would relish the physical challenger a little more than Grugan would he not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 17, 2013, 12:06:29 PM
He has many talents but a physical battle would not be his preference!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 17, 2013, 12:11:28 PM
McCann is not the answer.  In fairness I have not seen a lot from him but I watched him in the championship and he was outclassed by Colm Cavanagh and Ryan Mellon.  I don't think Killyclogher won 1 kickout in the 2nd half.  That's where Killyclogher lost the game (midfield) McCann isn't the answer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nothingbettertobeat on October 17, 2013, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 16, 2013, 11:34:26 PM
2014 NFL  fixtures


Saturday, February 1st (7pm): Derry v Tyrone

Sunday, February 9th (2pm): Tyrone v Mayo

Sunday, March 2nd (2pm): Kildare v Tyrone

Sunday, March 9th (2pm): Kerry v Tyrone

Sunday, March 16th (2pm): Tyrone v Westmeath

Sunday, March 30th (2pm): Cork v Tyrone

Sunday, April 6th (3pm): Tyrone v Dublin



what a horrible set of fixtures to be handed.
it looks like a dog fight already.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 06, 2013, 12:14:01 PM
Any more word of the trials. Last I heard they were to place some time this month.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 06, 2013, 01:35:59 PM
On the comment above about Tyrone adopting a more attack minded approach - why is Mickey so reluctant to try and force this template through?  Surely with all the success over the past 8 or 9 years from schools level up (coupled with the number of clubs/players) Tyrone have as much talent as any county (Dublin included) to go out and rack up big scores.  Could never understand why players like Johnny Lafferty have never been given a really good chance, would do a lot of damage if played in the full forward line.  His brother Ronan would be one of the best fielders of the ball in the county (if not the best) and would have a physicality and edge that none of our current midfielders possess.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on November 06, 2013, 03:44:37 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 06, 2013, 12:14:01 PM
Any more word of the trials. Last I heard they were to place some time this month.

Need to wait until Mickey comes home from his holidays.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reddgnhand on November 07, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Anyone know what's happening with u21 management?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 07, 2013, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on November 07, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Anyone know what's happening with u21 management?


Seems nothing.... two parties showed interest and withdrew shortly before meeting!!! No interested parties as off tuesday night meeting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on November 07, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
You/s are taking the piss-right?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on November 07, 2013, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 07, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
You/s are taking the piss-right?
I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 07, 2013, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 07, 2013, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 07, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
You/s are taking the piss-right?
I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.


I agree 100 % with that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on November 07, 2013, 09:28:22 PM
Your wish is my command, sorta.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 07, 2013, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 07, 2013, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 07, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
You/s are taking the piss-right?
I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.
Sort of like an extended or development senior squad with the aim being development of senior players rather than winning of the U-21's being the goal?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 08, 2013, 01:39:39 AM
Really disappointed. Had hoped we would have had mark and gavin at 21s working well with Mickey at seniors. What changed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:07:23 AM
Think Horse would be a good shout for the Under 21 management.

Any word of why Mark Harte has pulled out. Was it a case of he went in, seen that squad and said f**k that.

Sean Teague/Chris Lawn anyone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 08, 2013, 08:20:09 AM
Canavan time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:39:41 AM
I hope not Canavan to be honest.

Anyone able to get the minor panel from 2011?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 08, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:07:23 AM
Think Horse would be a good shout for the Under 21 management.

Any word of why Mark Harte has pulled out. Was it a case of he went in, seen that squad and said f**k that.

Sean Teague/Chris Lawn anyone?

Thats a bit harsh. Whilst its not as strong on paper as the previous few years were we underachieved, there is still the bones of a really good squad there. And less expectation - which surely is a good thing for the new management team
Off the top of my head - D McNulty, J McGahan, M Bradley, F Burns, D McCurry, M Cassidy, M McReynolds, J Munroe, K McGeary..
Sean Hackett admittedly a loss

Agree that the panel isn't as strong on previous years, but id say the new management will have as good a pick as any other in Ulster. An Ulster U21 championship would be seen as a huge victory now in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:52:47 AM
Tyrone Minor Championship Panel 2011
Aidan McGarrity (Rock)
Ben McGillian (Strabane)
Brendan Burns (Pomeroy)
Cahir McCullagh (Greencastle)
Colm Corrigan (Dungannon)
Conor Mallon (Naomh Mhuire)
Conor McAleer (Kildress)
Daire Martin (Killeeshil)
Daniel McNulty (Clonoe)
Darren McCurry (Naomh Mhuire)
Enda McGahan (Naomh Mhuire)
Mark McAleer (Rock)
Mark McReynolds (Naomh
Matthew Heagney (Kildress)
Michael Cassidy (Ardboe)
Micheal McCann (Errigal Ciaran)
Neil Hagan (Galbally)
Niall Donaghy (Loughmacrory)
Philip Barker (Eglish)
Rory Brennan (Trillick)
Ryan Devlin (Stewartstown)
Ryan Mayse (Newtownstewart)
Ryan McShane (Owen Roe's)
Sean Hackett (Augher)
Sean Molloy (Dungannon)
Sean Quinn (Pomeroy)
Tomas McCarron (Dromore)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:56:44 AM
Quote from: God14 on November 08, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:07:23 AM
Think Horse would be a good shout for the Under 21 management.

Any word of why Mark Harte has pulled out. Was it a case of he went in, seen that squad and said f**k that.

Sean Teague/Chris Lawn anyone?

Thats a bit harsh. Whilst its not as strong on paper as the previous few years were we underachieved, there is still the bones of a really good squad there. And less expectation - which surely is a good thing for the new management team
Off the top of my head - D McNulty, J McGahan, M Bradley, F Burns, D McCurry, M Cassidy, M McReynolds, J Munroe, K McGeary..
Sean Hackett admittedly a loss

Agree that the panel isn't as strong on previous years, but id say the new management will have as good a pick as any other in Ulster. An Ulster U21 championship would be seen as a huge victory now in Tyrone.

Wasn't serious. I actually think there is a decent panel there.

Couple of lads who were part of the 2013 All Ireland minor team will also be included.

Other lads that got trails in 2011

Ruairi McGlone (Aghaloo), Tiarnan Donnelly (Aghaloo), Michael Cassidy (Ardboe), Shane Graham (Ardboe), Peter O'Neill (Ardboe), Michael Lynn (Ardboe), Oliver Mallaghan (Ardboe), Oisin Devlin (Ardboe), Stephen O'Neill (Brackaville), Rian McHugh (Brackaville), Che O'Donnell (Brackaville), Padraig Bell (Brocagh), Daryll Magee (Clonoe), Daniel McNulty (Clonoe), Eamon Duffin (Clonoe), Padraig Hampsey (Coalisland), Shea Rankin (Coalisland), Tiarnan Fee (Coalisland), Cathoir Quinn (Coalisland), Ciaran Blake (Cookstown), Ruairi Mullan (Cookstown), Barry Potter (Cookstown), Eoin Coyle (Cookstown), John McIvor (Cookstown), Peter Murray (Cookstown), Oisin Maguire (Cookstown), Caolan Coney (Derrylaughan), Matthew O'Neill (Derrylaughan), Stephen McGrath (Derrylaughan), Conor McCabe (Derrylaughan), Caolan Corr (Derrytresk), Gareth Devlin (Derrytresk), Brian Gavin (Derrytresk), Peter McKenna (Donaghmore), Deasun Quinn (Donaghmore), Aidan Lavery (Donaghmore), Shea Hamill (Donaghmore), Philip Donnelly (Donaghmore), Sean Molloy (Dungannon), Barry McKernan (Dungannon), Conor McKenna (Eglish), Enda McElroy (Eglish), Sean Muldoon (Eglish), Colm Byrne (Eglish), Neil Hagan (Galbally), Fearghal Mc Garrity (Galbally), Danny Touhey (Greencastle), Chrissy Gillen (Greencastle), Sean Fox (Greencastle), Denis Mullen (Kildress), Gavin Corey (Kildress), Paul Mullin (Kildress), Anthony Devlin (Moortown), Conor Mallon (Naomh Mhuire), Brent Murty (Naomh Mhuire), Michael Mooney (Naomh Mhuire), Donal Maneely (Naomh Mhuire), Kieran McGeary (Pomeroy), Francis Burns (Pomeroy), Anthony McKenna (Pomeroy), Padraig O'Neill (Rock), Diarmuid Carroll (Rock), Cathal Devlin (Stewartstown), Dan Lowe (Stewartstown)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 08, 2013, 09:09:18 AM
Considering Tyrones 2013 minor team got to the All Ireland final and the 2012 minor team won Ulster then you would think that the panel of players available to the u-21 manager who be as good as any in the province.  Something needs to change at u-21 level in Tyrone, we need to start winning again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 08, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
1. Mark McReynolds
2. Ruari Mullan
3. Paudie Hampsey
4. Brendan Burns
5. Conor Mallon
6. Conor McAleer
7. Tomas McCarron
8. Rory Brennan
9. Cahir McCullagh
10. Michael Cassidy
11. Johnny Munroe
12. Kieran McGeary
13. Darren McCurry
14. Dan McNulty
15. Ryan Mayse

About as strong an u21 team that i can think off at the minute and its not a bad team especially tge forwards. Caolan Harvey, John Loughran, Conall McCann, Ruari Sludden or Mark Bradley could get a start somewhere depending on how there playing next year but at the minute that would be my team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 12, 2013, 08:24:44 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 12, 2013, 11:51:19 AM
give you a clue he might have your user name
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 12, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 12, 2013, 08:24:44 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?

Fergal Logan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 12, 2013, 08:31:04 PM
Wow, didn't see that one coming.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 12, 2013, 08:55:50 PM
Delighted for the man and well done tyrone. A fantastic fella who will succeed and help bring back success to Tyrone at this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on November 12, 2013, 09:06:40 PM
Great appointment - enthusiasm a-plenty with club management success behind him. And a fantastic Tyrone servant.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on November 12, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
Just heard about one of his support team  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on November 12, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Fergal Logan appointed County Under 21 Manager
Coiste Contae Thir Eoghain wish to confirm that Fergal Logan has been appointed as the County Under 21 Football Manager for 2014 and 2015.

A former All-Star nominee for midfield in 1995, Fergal won back to back Ulster Championships for Tyrone in 1995 and 1996. As a coach, Fergal was player manager of the Stewartstown Harps team that won the Ulster Junior Club Championship in 2004 and subsequently reached the All Ireland Club Final in 2005. Since that, Fergal has been involved in coaching at development squad level in Tyrone for the past 4 years.

While his backroom has not yet been finalised, Fergal will be assisted by former All Ireland winning captain Brian Dooher, who had a role in former manager Raymond Monroe's backroom team in 2013, plus one more assistant who has yet to be confirmed.

Speaking regarding the appointment County Chairman Ciaran McLaughlin said "Fergal has been working with our development squads for a number of years and welcomed the opportunity to move up to Under 21 level. Over the next 2 years, Fergal will work to develop the players to be ready to step up to Senior Level and the we wish him every success for his term"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 13, 2013, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: God14 on November 12, 2013, 08:24:44 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
Quote from: skeog on November 12, 2013, 11:51:19 AM
give you a clue he might have your user name

Then again he might not..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 13, 2013, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2013, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: God14 on November 12, 2013, 08:24:44 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
Quote from: skeog on November 12, 2013, 11:51:19 AM
give you a clue he might have your user name

Then again he might not..

It seems like he was onto something

ferG41 lOGan

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on November 13, 2013, 08:54:19 AM
Good luck to Fergal and his team but anyone who thinks that he or anyone else for that mater is he golden ticket and will guarantee success is deluded. The fact that he comes from the development squad background is one reason why I would have steered clear. Very few late developers ever make it into the minor or U21 squads because they have missed the cut at U15 or U17 level. These players will always get preference because the manager has worked with them before. I know there will be trials etc etc but do you know how hard it is for someone who missed the cut at minor to go to an U21 trail and fit in with these "elite players" that the development squads create. In my opinion it doesn't create these elite players in a lot of cases, but  elite egos which leaves a lot of them unmanageable, or probably more to the point, uncoachable at this age as they know everything.
Why not let Dooher at it himself as the main man and take Fergal with him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 13, 2013, 09:00:31 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 13, 2013, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2013, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: God14 on November 12, 2013, 08:24:44 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
Quote from: skeog on November 12, 2013, 11:51:19 AM
give you a clue he might have your user name

Then again he might not..

It seems like he was onto something

ferG41 lOGan

Ahh, FFS I was never any good at the cryptic crossword.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2013, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 13, 2013, 08:54:19 AM
Good luck to Fergal and his team but anyone who thinks that he or anyone else for that mater is he golden ticket and will guarantee success is deluded. The fact that he comes from the development squad background is one reason why I would have steered clear. Very few late developers ever make it into the minor or U21 squads because they have missed the cut at U15 or U17 level. These players will always get preference because the manager has worked with them before. I know there will be trials etc etc but do you know how hard it is for someone who missed the cut at minor to go to an U21 trail and fit in with these "elite players" that the development squads create. In my opinion it doesn't create these elite players in a lot of cases, but  elite egos which leaves a lot of them unmanageable, or probably more to the point, uncoachable at this age as they know everything.
Why not let Dooher at it himself as the main man and take Fergal with him?


Brian seemily has a few kids could not committ to be the number one but said he would be willing to work as some one's assistant....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on November 13, 2013, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 13, 2013, 08:54:19 AM
Good luck to Fergal and his team but anyone who thinks that he or anyone else for that mater is he golden ticket and will guarantee success is deluded. The fact that he comes from the development squad background is one reason why I would have steered clear. Very few late developers ever make it into the minor or U21 squads because they have missed the cut at U15 or U17 level. These players will always get preference because the manager has worked with them before. I know there will be trials etc etc but do you know how hard it is for someone who missed the cut at minor to go to an U21 trail and fit in with these "elite players" that the development squads create. In my opinion it doesn't create these elite players in a lot of cases, but  elite egos which leaves a lot of them unmanageable, or probably more to the point, uncoachable at this age as they know everything.
Why not let Dooher at it himself as the main man and take Fergal with him?

Roddy, do Carmen send their underage players to the development squads?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on November 13, 2013, 11:19:10 AM
They do indeed. The club policy has changed over this past 2 ears because of pressure from parents who felt there children were missing out. Some of the lads involved parents played for Tyrone so its hardly surprising. You can not deny a cub the opportunity to play for their county but at that age the club should ALWAYS come first which isn't always the case, hence creating this elitist scenario amoung our young players. Does anyone really think that Monroe, Jordan, McAnenly and Dooher didn't put the work in with last years under 21s. The senior players were terrible against Donegal for god sake, the players that should have been leading the way. Why was this do any off youse know?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 13, 2013, 11:54:02 AM
Id agree with all of what Wee Roddy is saying. Whats the alternative though? how do we best prepare lads for minor & under 21 football, & at the same time prevent the whole elite thing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 13, 2013, 01:01:04 PM
I agree with what wee Roddy is initially saying about dev squads, this is the system that is within Tyrone football at the moment and I am an opponent of it..  but  prospective county managers having a working knowledge of 50+ % of the likely talent available to them is better than someone with only a small standing start understanding of same.  To move it one step on and to try and exclude someone with that knowledge base could be deemed as possibly a classic symptom of the dreaded "wee man tall grass" syndrome 

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on November 15, 2013, 04:23:13 PM
Any word of who has been called for trials? Heard Shay Mc Guigan and Danny Mc Nulty for sure. No surprise there.  Anyone hear of any others?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 15, 2013, 04:32:19 PM
Stefan Tierney - Errigal Ciaran
Richard Donnelly and Rory Brennan - Trillick
PJ Laverty Dwayne Quinn and Dan McNulty - Clonoe
Stephen McNally and Brian Toner - Coalisland
Paddy Quinn - Dungannon
Ryan Mayse - Newtonstewart
Niall McKenna - Donaghmore
Heard derrytresk got a defender picked for trials as well but not completely sure of that one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on November 15, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on November 15, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 15, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??

who like
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 18, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
I see Canavan came on as a sub for Tyrone over 40s on Saturday. Kicked 0-2.

Gareth Quinn(Killyman), Gary McKenna(Killyclogher), Gavan Mc Elroy(Carrickmore), Paul; Sweeney(Killyclogher) Mark Gallagher(Eglish), Ronan Mc Garrity(Carrickmore), Eamon Cavanagh(Errigal Ciaran), Damien Gormley(Trillick), Conrad Quinn(Moortown), Brian Mc Elroy(Killyclogher), Mickey Cummings(Dungannon), Conor Daly(Trillick), Iggy Gallagher(Trillick), Martin Keyes(Castlederg), Mickey Mc Conomy(Newtonstewart).

Subs : Peter Canavan(Errigal Ciaran), Niall Conway(Clann na Gael), Eamon Duncan(Drumragh), Conor Gallagher (Drumragh), Adrian Donnelly(Beragh), Mickey Mc Cann(Beragh), Aidan Mc Gahan(Killyman), Andy Mc Sorley(Newtonstewart), Gerard Mc Williams(Fintona), Ciaran Leonard(Castlederg), Brain Mc Callion(Castlederg).Nigel Mullan (Tattyreagh) Injured: Hugh Quinn(Errigal Ciaran) , Fergal Gormley(Carrickmore)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on November 18, 2013, 12:43:55 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on November 15, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 15, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??

who like

Collie Doris for one ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on November 18, 2013, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 18, 2013, 12:43:55 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on November 15, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 15, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??

who like

Collie Doris for one ?


Not interested in Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 22, 2013, 04:00:38 PM

Copied from Gaelic Life (gaeliclife.com)

NEW Tyrone u-21 boss Fergal Logan will this weekend get the chance to run his eye over possible recruits. Nominated by their clubs, two sessions will be held at Garvaghey this Sunday. Players must arrive at 9am for session one and 11.30am for session two.

Players to attend Kevin O Gorman Aghaloo, Darragh Kavanagh Augher, Cathal Owen Beragh, Martin Gervin Brackaville, Cahill Logue, Caolan Harvey, Stefain Gallen Castlederg, Jarleth Mc Ilvenna, Cathair Quinn, Padraig Hampsey Coalisland, Own Coyle, Matthew Hughes, John McIvor, Ruairi Mullan, James Mc Gahan, Eoin O Connor, Barry Potter, Ciaran Owens Cookstown, Mark Robinson, Stephen Mc Grath, James Kennedy, Connor Mc Cabe Derrylaughan, Tomas Mc Carron, Colm O Neill, Ruairi Sludden, Colm McRory, Jack Poyntz Dromore, Eoin Mc Gread, Brendan Drumm Drumragh, Aidan McCluskey, Cormac Mc Cann, Peter Mc Kenna, Deasun Quinn, Philip Donnelly, Shea Hamill Donaghmore, Dermot Burns, Colm Corrigan, Barry Mc Kernan, Barry Cassidy, Matthew Walsh Dungannon, Conor Mallon, Donal Manely, Darren Mc Curry, Mark Mc Reynolds Edendork, Gerard Devine, Christopher Mc Clean Gortin, Sean Fox Killyclogher, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Declan Conroy, Ryan Coleman, Christopher O Neill Moy.


Session 2 Players to attend: Aaron Eilliott, Dan Mc Nulty, Daryl Magee, Conor Hughes, Declan McClure Clonoe, Aaron Daly, Sean Muldoon, Colm Byrne, Enda Mc Elroy, Declan Goodfellow, Philip Barker Eglish, Michael Mc Cann, Mark Kavanagh, Sean Mc Kenna Errigal Ciaran, Christopher Morris, Fergal Mc Garrity, Sean Murphy, Neil Hagan Galbally, Peter Mc Kenna, Cahir Mc Cullagh Greencastle, Matthew Heagney, Eoin Brannigan, Colm Loughran, Stephen Mc Gurk, Conor Mc Aleer Kildress, Meegan Meegan, Gabhan Sludden, Mark Bradley, Barra Collins, Tiernan Cox, Conall Mc Cann, Meenagh Meenagh Killyclogher, Enda Mc Gahan Killyman, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Conor Meyler, Cormac O Neill, Niall Mc Ginn Omagh, Stephen Kelly, Cathal Mc Shane, Ryan Mc Shane Owen Roes, Mark Mc Aleer, Aidan Mc Garrity, Diarmaid Carroll Rock, James Campbell, Niall Dillon, Cathal Devlin, Ryan Devlin, Nathan O Neill Stewartstown, Jamie Mc Aleer, Plunkett Langan Urney.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 22, 2013, 09:22:33 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 22, 2013, 04:00:38 PM

Copied from Gaelic Life (gaeliclife.com)

NEW Tyrone u-21 boss Fergal Logan will this weekend get the chance to run his eye over possible recruits. Nominated by their clubs, two sessions will be held at Garvaghey this Sunday. Players must arrive at 9am for session one and 11.30am for session two.

Players to attend Kevin O Gorman Aghaloo, Darragh Kavanagh Augher, Cathal Owen Beragh, Martin Gervin Brackaville, Cahill Logue, Caolan Harvey, Stefain Gallen Castlederg, Jarleth Mc Ilvenna, Cathair Quinn, Padraig Hampsey Coalisland, Own Coyle, Matthew Hughes, John McIvor, Ruairi Mullan, James Mc Gahan, Eoin O Connor, Barry Potter, Ciaran Owens Cookstown, Mark Robinson, Stephen Mc Grath, James Kennedy, Connor Mc Cabe Derrylaughan, Tomas Mc Carron, Colm O Neill, Ruairi Sludden, Colm McRory, Jack Poyntz Dromore, Eoin Mc Gread, Brendan Drumm Drumragh, Aidan McCluskey, Cormac Mc Cann, Peter Mc Kenna, Deasun Quinn, Philip Donnelly, Shea Hamill Donaghmore, Dermot Burns, Colm Corrigan, Barry Mc Kernan, Barry Cassidy, Matthew Walsh Dungannon, Conor Mallon, Donal Manely, Darren Mc Curry, Mark Mc Reynolds Edendork, Gerard Devine, Christopher Mc Clean Gortin, Sean Fox Killyclogher, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Declan Conroy, Ryan Coleman, Christopher O Neill Moy.


Session 2 Players to attend: Aaron Eilliott, Dan Mc Nulty, Daryl Magee, Conor Hughes, Declan McClure Clonoe, Aaron Daly, Sean Muldoon, Colm Byrne, Enda Mc Elroy, Declan Goodfellow, Philip Barker Eglish, Michael Mc Cann, Mark Kavanagh, Sean Mc Kenna Errigal Ciaran, Christopher Morris, Fergal Mc Garrity, Sean Murphy, Neil Hagan Galbally, Peter Mc Kenna, Cahir Mc Cullagh Greencastle, Matthew Heagney, Eoin Brannigan, Colm Loughran, Stephen Mc Gurk, Conor Mc Aleer Kildress, Meegan Meegan, Gabhan Sludden, Mark Bradley, Barra Collins, Tiernan Cox, Conall Mc Cann, Meenagh Meenagh Killyclogher, Enda Mc Gahan Killyman, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Conor Meyler, Cormac O Neill, Niall Mc Ginn Omagh, Stephen Kelly, Cathal Mc Shane, Ryan Mc Shane Owen Roes, Mark Mc Aleer, Aidan Mc Garrity, Diarmaid Carroll Rock, James Campbell, Niall Dillon, Cathal Devlin, Ryan Devlin, Nathan O Neill Stewartstown, Jamie Mc Aleer, Plunkett Langan Urney.

Must be a few clubs missing from these trials. No trillick players or Ryan Mayse from newtonstewart.
Also a few clubs have put forward alot of players like killyclogher and cookstown, surely there was a limit to the amount of players that could be put forward by each club because alot of these players put forward are not up to county under 21 standard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 22, 2013, 09:31:05 PM
Newtownstewart and Trillick both involved in playoffs this weekend. Hence why their players will not be attending trials.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 24, 2013, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 22, 2013, 04:00:38 PM

Copied from Gaelic Life (gaeliclife.com)

NEW Tyrone u-21 boss Fergal Logan will this weekend get the chance to run his eye over possible recruits. Nominated by their clubs, two sessions will be held at Garvaghey this Sunday. Players must arrive at 9am for session one and 11.30am for session two.

Players to attend Kevin O Gorman Aghaloo, Darragh Kavanagh Augher, Cathal Owen Beragh, Martin Gervin Brackaville, Cahill Logue, Caolan Harvey, Stefain Gallen Castlederg, Jarleth Mc Ilvenna, Cathair Quinn, Padraig Hampsey Coalisland, Own Coyle, Matthew Hughes, John McIvor, Ruairi Mullan, James Mc Gahan, Eoin O Connor, Barry Potter, Ciaran Owens Cookstown, Mark Robinson, Stephen Mc Grath, James Kennedy, Connor Mc Cabe Derrylaughan, Tomas Mc Carron, Colm O Neill, Ruairi Sludden, Colm McRory, Jack Poyntz Dromore, Eoin Mc Gread, Brendan Drumm Drumragh, Aidan McCluskey, Cormac Mc Cann, Peter Mc Kenna, Deasun Quinn, Philip Donnelly, Shea Hamill Donaghmore, Dermot Burns, Colm Corrigan, Barry Mc Kernan, Barry Cassidy, Matthew Walsh Dungannon, Conor Mallon, Donal Manely, Darren Mc Curry, Mark Mc Reynolds Edendork, Gerard Devine, Christopher Mc Clean Gortin, Sean Fox Killyclogher, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Declan Conroy, Ryan Coleman, Christopher O Neill Moy.


Session 2 Players to attend: Aaron Eilliott, Dan Mc Nulty, Daryl Magee, Conor Hughes, Declan McClure Clonoe, Aaron Daly, Sean Muldoon, Colm Byrne, Enda Mc Elroy, Declan Goodfellow, Philip Barker Eglish, Michael Mc Cann, Mark Kavanagh, Sean Mc Kenna Errigal Ciaran, Christopher Morris, Fergal Mc Garrity, Sean Murphy, Neil Hagan Galbally, Peter Mc Kenna, Cahir Mc Cullagh Greencastle, Matthew Heagney, Eoin Brannigan, Colm Loughran, Stephen Mc Gurk, Conor Mc Aleer Kildress, Meegan Meegan, Gabhan Sludden, Mark Bradley, Barra Collins, Tiernan Cox, Conall Mc Cann, Meenagh Meenagh Killyclogher, Enda Mc Gahan Killyman, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Conor Meyler, Cormac O Neill, Niall Mc Ginn Omagh, Stephen Kelly, Cathal Mc Shane, Ryan Mc Shane Owen Roes, Mark Mc Aleer, Aidan Mc Garrity, Diarmaid Carroll Rock, James Campbell, Niall Dillon, Cathal Devlin, Ryan Devlin, Nathan O Neill Stewartstown, Jamie Mc Aleer, Plunkett Langan Urney.
Meegan Meegan and Meenagh Meenagh? Some strange names about Killyclogher!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 25, 2013, 02:52:50 PM
Was thinking about getting the owl fella a Tyrone Season Ticket 2014 for Christmas. Are these going to be available for Christmas? Hardly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on November 25, 2013, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 25, 2013, 02:52:50 PM
Was thinking about getting the owl fella a Tyrone Season Ticket 2014 for Christmas. Are these going to be available for Christmas? Hardly.

Try this;
https://www.seasontickets.ie/new/Products/List/football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 26, 2013, 09:36:36 AM
Sean Cavanagh takes over as captain of Tyrone (From BBC website 26th November)

Five-times All Star winner Sean Cavanagh will be Tyrone's skipper for the 2014 campaign, Red Hands boss Mickey Harte revealed on Monday night.
The Moy man takes over from Stephen O'Neill, who was captain for two years.
Cavanagh returned to his best this year, after twice recovering from career-threatening shoulder injuries, to earn his latest All Star award.
The appointment is in line with Harte's policy of handing the role to players with vast experience.
With the exception of the late Cormac McAnallen, who was made captain in 2004, the captaincy has been awarded to players who have passed the age of 30.
Cavanagh becomes the fifth skipper to serve during Harte's tenure, which is about to enter its 12th season.
The position has also been filled by Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and O'Neill.
The role of vice-captain, which was held this year by Joe McMahon, has not yet been filled.
Trials for the panel are currently being held, and a Tyrone squad for the Dr McKenna Cup is expected to be named before the end of the month.
Pascal McConnell's decision to retire means there are only three survivors from the Red Hands' maiden All-Ireland success in 2003 - Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and O'Neill.


Does anyone else fear that this is an indication that we've seen the last of Stevie O'Neill in a Tyrone jersey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 26, 2013, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: CD on November 26, 2013, 09:36:36 AM
Sean Cavanagh takes over as captain of Tyrone (From BBC website 26th November)

Five-times All Star winner Sean Cavanagh will be Tyrone's skipper for the 2014 campaign, Red Hands boss Mickey Harte revealed on Monday night.
The Moy man takes over from Stephen O'Neill, who was captain for two years.
Cavanagh returned to his best this year, after twice recovering from career-threatening shoulder injuries, to earn his latest All Star award.
The appointment is in line with Harte's policy of handing the role to players with vast experience.
With the exception of the late Cormac McAnallen, who was made captain in 2004, the captaincy has been awarded to players who have passed the age of 30.
Cavanagh becomes the fifth skipper to serve during Harte's tenure, which is about to enter its 12th season.
The position has also been filled by Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and O'Neill.
The role of vice-captain, which was held this year by Joe McMahon, has not yet been filled.
Trials for the panel are currently being held, and a Tyrone squad for the Dr McKenna Cup is expected to be named before the end of the month.
Pascal McConnell's decision to retire means there are only three survivors from the Red Hands' maiden All-Ireland success in 2003 - Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and O'Neill.


Does anyone else fear that this is an indication that we've seen the last of Stevie O'Neill in a Tyrone jersey?

Was Carlin not part of the squad also?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on November 26, 2013, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 26, 2013, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: CD on November 26, 2013, 09:36:36 AM
Sean Cavanagh takes over as captain of Tyrone (From BBC website 26th November)

Five-times All Star winner Sean Cavanagh will be Tyrone's skipper for the 2014 campaign, Red Hands boss Mickey Harte revealed on Monday night.
The Moy man takes over from Stephen O'Neill, who was captain for two years.
Cavanagh returned to his best this year, after twice recovering from career-threatening shoulder injuries, to earn his latest All Star award.
The appointment is in line with Harte's policy of handing the role to players with vast experience.
With the exception of the late Cormac McAnallen, who was made captain in 2004, the captaincy has been awarded to players who have passed the age of 30.
Cavanagh becomes the fifth skipper to serve during Harte's tenure, which is about to enter its 12th season.
The position has also been filled by Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and O'Neill.
The role of vice-captain, which was held this year by Joe McMahon, has not yet been filled.
Trials for the panel are currently being held, and a Tyrone squad for the Dr McKenna Cup is expected to be named before the end of the month.
Pascal McConnell's decision to retire means there are only three survivors from the Red Hands' maiden All-Ireland success in 2003 - Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and O'Neill.


Does anyone else fear that this is an indication that we've seen the last of Stevie O'Neill in a Tyrone jersey?

Was Carlin not part of the squad also?

Definitely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 28, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 28, 2013, 11:37:46 AM
Time to see the likes of Ronan O'Neill to step up to the mark. Someone like Jonny Lafferty could be given a chance to prove his panel worth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: CD on November 28, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 28, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Opportunities there hopefully in the early months for potential newcomers, likes of Daniel McNulty, Richie Donnelly, Conan Grugan <mugsy reckons Grugan should have been on the starting 15 last season due to his performances in the inhouse games he attended last April & May> Tommy Canavan, Shay McGuigan...

If some fringe players like Lafferty & McNiece havnt made an impact by now its hard to see it happening at all at this level.

We probably don't have much longer to wait before the new panel is announced. Hope they don't botch it the way they did last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on November 28, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: CD on November 28, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play.

Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 28, 2013, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on November 28, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: CD on November 28, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play.

Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation

Not sure if it's the defensive system as such - more the transition from defence to attack. In our own half Big Joe seems to be the player we always work the ball to and Peter Harte in the midfield third. Sometimes last year it was too predictable and too slow. I'd like to see Ciaran McKinley given a Davy Harte style role and allowed to bomb up and down the wing - played some excellent football in attack for Errigal this year.  However, given the number of forwards missing I'd say Mickey will deploy him at half forward early this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 01:22:34 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on November 28, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: CD on November 28, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play.

Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation

Our defense could do with improvement (require a man marker or two) but as a unit they did well last year when you look at the scores conceded.  The big problem we have is definitely in our forward line where we seem to have no marquee forwards and no goal threat at all.  How many goals did Tyrone score last year from play? 

Quote from: God14 on November 28, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Opportunities there hopefully in the early months for potential newcomers, likes of Daniel McNulty, Richie Donnelly, Conan Grugan <mugsy reckons Grugan should have been on the starting 15 last season due to his performances in the inhouse games he attended last April & May> Tommy Canavan, Shay McGuigan...

If some fringe players like Lafferty & McNiece havnt made an impact by now its hard to see it happening at all at this level.

We probably don't have much longer to wait before the new panel is announced. Hope they don't botch it the way they did last year.

Of all the players mentioned the player that for me is the deadliest is Lafferty.  I'm sure a lot of people on here have seen him play for his club this year or last and if you have then you will see a player that is untouchable when on form.  The problem he is having is that getting a few run out's here and there are doing nothing for his confidence at county level.  He is passing the ball a lot when he gets it which is the oppositie of what he normally does with his club.  Obviously there has to be a balancing act as players are usually expected to do more for their clubs while also being expected not to eat the ball all the time at county, but if the balance can be found with Lafferty and if he gets 3 or 4 full games then we have a gem on our hands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 28, 2013, 01:27:14 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 01:22:34 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on November 28, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: CD on November 28, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play.

Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation

Our defense could do with improvement (require a man marker or two) but as a unit they did well last year when you look at the scores conceded.  The big problem we have is definitely in our forward line where we seem to have no marquee forwards and no goal threat at all.  How many goals did Tyrone score last year from play? 

Quote from: God14 on November 28, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Opportunities there hopefully in the early months for potential newcomers, likes of Daniel McNulty, Richie Donnelly, Conan Grugan <mugsy reckons Grugan should have been on the starting 15 last season due to his performances in the inhouse games he attended last April & May> Tommy Canavan, Shay McGuigan...

If some fringe players like Lafferty & McNiece havnt made an impact by now its hard to see it happening at all at this level.

We probably don't have much longer to wait before the new panel is announced. Hope they don't botch it the way they did last year.

Of all the players mentioned the player that for me is the deadliest is Lafferty.  I'm sure a lot of people on here have seen him play for his club this year or last and if you have then you will see a player that is untouchable when on form.  The problem he is having is that getting a few run out's here and there are doing nothing for his confidence at county level.  He is passing the ball a lot when he gets it which is the oppositie of what he normally does with his club.  Obviously there has to be a balancing act as players are usually expected to do more for their clubs while also being expected not to eat the ball all the time at county, but if the balance can be found with Lafferty and if he gets 3 or 4 full games then we have a gem on our hands.

I must confess nrico that I've never seen him play Club football but I have heard that he is on the Tyrone Panel on merit based on his performances. I haven't been impressed with anything I've seen from him playing for Tyrone however - maybe the absences will be an opportunity for him to get a few games under his belt and show us what he can do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on November 28, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Must say that PJ Lavery was easily the best attacking wing half I saw in Tyrone club football the year, he destroyed Ciaran Mc Ginley in the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 28, 2013, 03:43:06 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on November 28, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Must say that PJ Lavery was easily the best attacking wing half I saw in Tyrone club football the year, he destroyed Ciaran Mc Ginley in the championship

Aye but McGinley never played wing half back - he was a half forward in the three games I saw him play for his club this year and was a marked man in all three games and still impressed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 28, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
I'd be happy if Mickey gave the older boys a rest for the first few months of the year. Would ensure they're refreshed come championship time and allow the younger boys to gain experience in the team. I actually think that we'd still compete will in the league. Maybe a team like this:
Morgan
McKenna
McBride
McCarron (or McNamee or even a newcomer though can't think of too many potentials)
Harte
McNabb
McGinley
C Cavanagh
Clarke
Grugan
Shay McGuigan or R Mulgrew
Lafferty
McCurry
Mattie D
R O'Neill

Really hoping Ronan O'Neill can push on this year. Last year was about getting over the injury, now hopefully he can deliver on the promise. There was a lot of boys brought into the panel last year. Kane and Gallagher etc - will be interesting to see how they get on this year with an extra year behind them at the level.

Does anyone know if Justy McMahon is currently fit? Given his injury record its hard to know what to do with him. Would be great if he could have an injury free season and get back to his best, though as the years go on it just looks less likely. Coney is another player who has struggled year after year with injuries. As is McNabb.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on November 28, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
PJ Lavery surely is an absolute must for the Tyrone squad. The best attacking wing back in the county by a mile.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 28, 2013, 09:43:31 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on November 28, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
PJ Lavery surely is an absolute must for the Tyrone squad. The best attacking wing back in the county by a mile.

Would there not be a concern over his size? Like how would he do against a physically strong half forward? Certainly would have no problem with him getting a try.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 28, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
Are there any standout man markers about, I can't think of any. We need a defence we can rely on to give the rest of the team the confidence to attack.
Give the like of McBride, McKenna and Lafferty a run at it and the chance to establish themselves. Give the likes of Ronan ONeill and Mulgrew another chance and bring in only 2-3 new players.

Opening it out to too many players gives no one a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on November 28, 2013, 10:27:02 PM
Are we ever going to see Kyle Coney play any football.I will digest O rourkes,Spillanes and Brollys underpants if this man ever kicks Tyrone to an All Ireland.I fear for him being remembered as the man with the endless injuries.Hope this is the incentive that drove super Dooher to the captains table.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 29, 2013, 08:12:22 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 28, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
Are there any standout man markers about, I can't think of any. We need a defence we can rely on to give the rest of the team the confidence to attack.
Give the like of McBride, McKenna and Lafferty a run at it and the chance to establish themselves. Give the likes of Ronan ONeill and Mulgrew another chance and bring in only 2-3 new players.

Opening it out to too many players gives no one a chance.

Some good calls there.  Was thinking about Mulgrew the other day and would be hoping that he could get a few games.  At this level its all about letting players get comfortable at the level and that can only be achieved by giving them games.  McBride is another player who would be a really good option for full back or half back, very stong and athletic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 29, 2013, 08:47:30 AM
From memory there were around 11 new players brought into the squad this year. It usually takes at least a year to settle into county football so I'm sure Harte is hopefuly of getting a greater return from these players in the current year. Given the changes last year I wouldn't expect huge changes this year. Maybe 3 or 4 new players. Shay McGugian, Stefan Tierney, Raymie Mulgrew and a few Clonoe boys will probably be under consideration.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 02, 2013, 05:01:27 PM
Any word of the trials that were to take place? Have they started?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Boghopper on December 02, 2013, 08:51:50 PM
In house game yesterday at Garvaghy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 03, 2013, 09:14:40 PM
Any word of what new players took part or how anyone got on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 05, 2013, 11:44:20 AM

Copied from Hoganstand.com

O'Neill out 'til March
05 December 2013


Stephen O'Neill will miss Tyrone's McKenna Cup campaign and the early rounds of the Allianz Football League because of a recurring back problem.

Manager Mickey Harte will also be without Kyle Coney, PJ Quinn, Dermot Carlin, Aidan Cassidy, Ronan McNabb and the McMahon brothers, Joe and Justin, for the Red Hands' McKenna Cup defence.

"I'd nearly need the list in front of me to total up who's missing," Harte remarked in the Irish News.

"But none of them are career-threatening injuries. They are just things that need to be tended to. I suppose the number of injuries is a bit of a cause for concern. But it's better having them now rather than in the middle of the season.

"Our medical people will be working on them and we'll get progress reports on all of them. They'll come back at different phases of the season, but they'll have to catch up when they do come back."

On O'Neill's injury, Harte said: "Stevie's is not a serious injury, but we're making sure he's recovered to the full level.

"He would have back trouble which could affect his knee or other parts of his body. But he keeps himself fit and he does a lot of cycling so we'd be happy enough with that."

With so many injuries, there will be opportunities for others to make an impression.

"A lot of regulars are carrying injuries and aren't going to be available just now, so there will definitely be new faces in the McKenna Cup squad because we simply need them to have a squad," the manager added.


_______________________________________________________________________

Im kinda glad ONeill wont be available until March, do him no harm at all. Keep the powder dry for Championship

The one man I am disappointed to see on the injured list is Ronan McNabb. Could be a big year for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 06, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
taken from official Tyrone

Tyrone U.21 Trials

The following players are requested to attend for Tyrone U.21 Football Trials at Garvaghey GAA Centre on Sunday morning, the 8th December.

Players to arrive at 10.00am

Following Players:

1.Dan Mc Nulty – Clonoe
2.Declan Mc Clure – Clonoe
3.Aaron Daly – Eglish
4.Colm Byrne – Eglish
5.Enda Mc Elroy – Eglish
6.Philip Barker – Eglish
7.Michael Mc Cann – Errigal Ciaran
8.Sean Mc Kenna – Errigal Ciaran
9.Fergal McGarrity – Galbally
10.Sean Murphy – Galbally
11.Neil Hagan – Galbally
12.Matthew Heagney – Kildress
13.Eoin Brannigan – Kildress
14.Conor Mc Aleer – Kildress
15.Gabhan Sludden – Killyclogher
16.Mark Bradley – Killyclogher
17.Tiernan Cox – Killyclogher
18.Conall Mc Cann – Killyclogher
19.Caolan Morgan – Killyman
20.Enda Mc Gahan – Killyman
21.Ryan Kelly – Moortown
22.Ciaran Mc Laughlin – Omagh
23.Conor Meyler – Omagh
24.Niall Mc Ginn – Omagh
25.Stephen Kelly – Owen Roes
26.Cathal Mc Shane – Owen Roes
27.Ryan Mc Shane – Owen Roes
28.Aidan Mc Garrity – Rock
29.Ryan Devlin – Stewartstown
30.Jamie Mc Aleer – Urney
31.Johnny Monroe – An Charrig Mhor
32.Conal Travers – An Charrig Mhor
33.Michael Cassidy – Ardboe
34.Daire McCarroll - Eskra
35.Darragh Kavanagh – Augher
36.Cathal Owens – Beragh
37.Caolan Harvey – Castlederg
38.Jarleth Mc Ilvenna – Coalisland
39.Padraig Hampsey – Coalisland
40.Ruairi Mullan – Cookstown
41.James Mc Gahan – Cookstown
42.Barry Potter – Cookstown
43.James Kennedy – Derrylaughan
44.Tomas Mc Carron – Dromore
45.Ruairi Sludden – Dromore
46.Jack Poyntz – Dromore
47.Colm Corrigan – Dungannon
48.Matthew Walsh – Dungannon
49.Darren Mc Curry – Edendork
50.Mark Mc Reynolds – Edendork
51.Christopher Mc Clean – Gortin
52.Sean Fox – Killyclogher
53.Cormac Mc Cann – Donaghmore
54.Peter Mc Kenna – Donaghmore
55.Deasun Quinn- Donaghmore
56.Brendan Burns – Pomeroy
57.Francis Burns – Pomeroy
58.Kieran Mc Geary – Pomeroy
59.Ruairi Kelly – Trillick
60.Rory Brennan – Trillick
61.Ryan Mc Elroy – Strabane
62.Tommy Murphy – Drumragh
63.Ciaran O'Neill – Killeshill
64.Ruaire O'Neill – Killeshill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: headlines on December 07, 2013, 11:02:26 PM
From a reliable source...players at senior inhouse match trial.
Peter hughes and cormac arkinson eskra
Michael cassidy and shea mcguigan ardboe
Thomas canavan errigal
Kevin campbell derrytresk
Danny mcnulty pj lavery colly dorris clonoe
Rory brennan trillick
Ferghal mcgarrity galbally
Emmy mckenna eglish
Conal mccann killyclogher
Padraig mcnulty and patrick quinn Dungannon
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on December 08, 2013, 04:05:59 AM
Quote from: headlines on December 07, 2013, 11:02:26 PM
From a reliable source...players at senior inhouse match trial.
Peter hughes and cormac arkinson eskra
Michael cassidy and shea mcguigan ardboe
Thomas canavan errigal
Kevin campbell derrytresk
Danny mcnulty pj lavery colly dorris clonoe
Rory brennan trillick
Ferghal mcgarrity galbally
Emmy mckenna eglish
Conal mccann killyclogher
Padraig mcnulty and patrick quinn Dungannon

I know for certain that Colm Doris will be nowhere near Tyrone. His own choice as he is not interested in playing for them. Kevin Campbell is a good lad but I would doubt if Mickey rates this man as a county player but has not called on the loughmacrory fullback, colm mc gurk from carrickmore who I rate as the best or even aidan brady from clonoe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 020304 Tir Eoghain on December 08, 2013, 12:09:19 PM
P J Quinn back in the senior squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 08, 2013, 01:56:03 PM
Heard PJ is back as well. Pleased to hear that as he is a good option, but I'd question what has changed since he stepped away from it during last years championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: mick999 on December 08, 2013, 02:10:23 PM
Good article on Mulligan's book here :

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-talisman-left-to-wonder-how-quickly-the-glory-days-all-slipped-away-1.1619877?page=1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 08, 2013, 02:30:39 PM
Conall McCann and fergal mcgarrity are two odd choices to get tyrone senior trials, seen nothing in either men this year to warrant a senior trial.
Dwayne Quinn, Aidan Brady, Conall Mcnulty, Ruairi Loughran and Stefan Tierney wouldve been five players that i would consider more deserving of a chance after the year they had.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 09, 2013, 08:39:00 AM
Goals_Will_Come -  there is no point in offering trials til a 33year old.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on December 09, 2013, 10:15:15 AM
Has Ronan Lafferty ever been at the trials? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on December 09, 2013, 12:31:17 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 09, 2013, 08:39:00 AM
Goals_Will_Come - there is no point in offering trials til a 33year old.

Why not? Is he not worth a shot is there many better full backs in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on December 10, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
mc kenna cup panel named few strange names on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Heelflick15 on December 11, 2013, 12:23:31 PM
What is the list of names??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on December 11, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
Don't know full list but
Dan Mc Nulty
Shane O Hagan
Emmet Mc Kenna
Hugh Gallagher
Shay Mc Guigan
Peter Hughes
all added plus a few others
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on December 12, 2013, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on December 11, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
Don't know full list but
Dan Mc Nulty
Shane O Hagan
Emmet Mc Kenna
Hugh Gallagher
Shay Mc Guigan
Peter Hughes
all added plus a few others

Shane Ohagan is not on the McKenna cup panel, where did you get your info....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 12, 2013, 09:06:41 AM
That's disappointing, I rate Shane O'Hagan. In the Kevin Hughes mould of old school Midfielders...  I don't think we are far away from official announcement of McKenna panel. Expecting plenty of new faces in the knowledge that we will have a fair few senior players sitting it out & also quite a few players who will be forced to play for a University team instead.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on December 12, 2013, 09:47:10 AM
what clubs are hugh gallagher and emmett mckenna from?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 12, 2013, 10:26:54 AM
Gallagher Omagh & McKenna Eglish
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 12, 2013, 08:47:59 PM
Dan McNulty and PJ Laverty (Clonoe), Shea McGuigan (Ardboe), Patrick Quinn (Dungannon) and Emmett McKenna (Eglish) have all made it.
Injuries to Richard Donnelly, Stefan Tierney and Dwayne Quinn missed the trials through injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on December 20, 2013, 08:05:03 PM
Full McKenna Cup panel here; http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2013/12/tyrone-mckenna-cup-panel-2014/

Good to see Niall McKenna getting another crack at it. Same vintage as Mattie Donnelly and he can take inspiration from the way Mattie kicked on this season. McKenna is certainly capable of being a good option for Tyrone.

Will be interesting to see how the SON experiment goes. His career post 2008 has been very frustrating indeed. Some wonderful performances but more often than not they were in league games. By the time the serious stuff came around each summer he was almost always injured. The Tyrone of 2008 knew they weren't going to have SON (and that Mugsy was off form) which meant Mickey had to look for different options. Hence the move of Cavanagh to full forward and a run of games for other guys who needed to step up to the plate. Colm McCullagh and Tommy McGuigan in particular did just that.

We have never had the same since as the team always prepared for the championship in expectation of SON being the main man, then ended up without him. Hasn't been a proper plan B. My own opinion - and I know most won't agree - is that it might actually have been no bad thing had SON retired. Magnificent player and servant, but the situation of the past few seasons has been of no use to him or Tyrone and I reckon it's probably held back a few other players who would otherwise got more of a run. This solution of leaving him for the league then introducing him for the summer might just work though, give others a chance in the league to really stake a claim and then have a hopefully fully fit SON for the big games in the summer. Here's hoping.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on December 20, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
I have always said that whenever Shane Hagan plays well ;Clonoe play well.When i seen him in action against Omagh in Dunmoyle i preached that Clonoe would win.I told everyone bar Micky Harte.Shane Hagan gets my vote!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on December 23, 2013, 10:07:44 AM
Quote from: hugh the root on December 20, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
I have always said that whenever Shane Hagan plays well ;Clonoe play well.When i seen him in action against Omagh in Dunmoyle i preached that Clonoe would win.I told everyone bar Micky Harte.Shane Hagan gets my vote!

Ok Shane thanks for that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on December 25, 2013, 08:50:57 AM
No Richard Donnelly in the squad is very dissapointing
One of the best players in Tyrone, exactly what we need. Can will ball at midfield or full forward.

Why would he even need a trial is clearly good enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 25, 2013, 05:28:49 PM
Is Richie Donnelly not injured? Heard he done knee few months ago - has missed all UUJ games to date I believe and all tyrone trials.

Can't be picked on squad if not available through injury!

Squad looks light but should be ok for McKenna cup. Would have liked to have seen Shane O'Hagan, Padraig McNulty, Rory Brennan, ruari Loughran get a sustained run to see what they are made of....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on December 25, 2013, 07:11:30 PM
This is the second or third time that I have heard Shane O Hagans name mentioned re Tyrone, like Donnelly, O Hagan is injured and after an op.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 03, 2014, 08:29:29 AM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on December 20, 2013, 08:05:03 PM
Full McKenna Cup panel here; http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2013/12/tyrone-mckenna-cup-panel-2014/

Good to see Niall McKenna getting another crack at it. Same vintage as Mattie Donnelly and he can take inspiration from the way Mattie kicked on this season. McKenna is certainly capable of being a good option for Tyrone.

Will be interesting to see how the SON experiment goes. His career post 2008 has been very frustrating indeed. Some wonderful performances but more often than not they were in league games. By the time the serious stuff came around each summer he was almost always injured. The Tyrone of 2008 knew they weren't going to have SON (and that Mugsy was off form) which meant Mickey had to look for different options. Hence the move of Cavanagh to full forward and a run of games for other guys who needed to step up to the plate. Colm McCullagh and Tommy McGuigan in particular did just that.

We have never had the same since as the team always prepared for the championship in expectation of SON being the main man, then ended up without him. Hasn't been a proper plan B. My own opinion - and I know most won't agree - is that it might actually have been no bad thing had SON retired. Magnificent player and servant, but the situation of the past few seasons has been of no use to him or Tyrone and I reckon it's probably held back a few other players who would otherwise got more of a run. This solution of leaving him for the league then introducing him for the summer might just work though, give others a chance in the league to really stake a claim and then have a hopefully fully fit SON for the big games in the summer. Here's hoping.

Poor SONs career hasn't been the same since the beginning of 2006 when he started getting bother with the knee and hamstring.  Real shame.  Why is Mickey Harte so reluctant to bring young talent into the squad straight from minor level?  I see other counties such as Dublin/Mayo/Kerry who have no problem firing a talented minor or two into senior action as soon as possible.  In Tyrone, you are lucky if you see any of the top minors for a few years and to be honest this policy doesn't seem to be working.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 03, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
I think the Micky Harte back in 2003 would have been more likely to take in young players if they were good enough. I think he was more of a risk taker back then but like most managers who have been in the job for a long time, he has become a lot more serious and it's harder to impress him now I think.
Unless you totally buy into his ethos of defensive play then I reckon it will be harder for you to make the team.
Look how much leeway he used to give players like Mugsy back in the early days. He said you have to give space to people being individuals but maybe I'm wrong but I don't thing that leeway would be given now. Players like Penrose for example have had to completely change their style of play to become a much more hard working tracking back forward. Mark Donnelly as well used to play at FF in his first season but sure you hardly ever see him get a shot in these days.

I know loads of you don't like the soccer comparison but I'm an Everton fan and the difference in the mood in the Everton camp ever since dull predicatble Moyes moved on and Martinez has come in, is unbelievable. Players like Seamus Coleman from Killybegs have vastly improved as he's no longer scared to make mistakes. He's enjoyed playing football again and has scored 5 goals already this season.
I think Jim Gavin brought that type of lift back into Dublin last year. He brought in a good few young lads with pace and they had the Dub fans on the edge of their seats watching their games.
I know we had a lot of injuries AGAIN last year but I hope to see a lot more of Coney, Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey and a few new faces this year.
I'd say a lot of young lads think why should I train with Tyrone all year and not have any chance of a game and then also not play any club football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 03, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 03, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
I think the Micky Harte back in 2003 would have been more likely to take in young players if they were good enough. I think he was more of a risk taker back then but like most managers who have been in the job for a long time, he has become a lot more serious and it's harder to impress him now I think.
Unless you totally buy into his ethos of defensive play then I reckon it will be harder for you to make the team.
Look how much leeway he used to give players like Mugsy back in the early days. He said you have to give space to people being individuals but maybe I'm wrong but I don't thing that leeway would be given now. Players like Penrose for example have had to completely change their style of play to become a much more hard working tracking back forward. Mark Donnelly as well used to play at FF in his first season but sure you hardly ever see him get a shot in these days.

I know loads of you don't like the soccer comparison but I'm an Everton fan and the difference in the mood in the Everton camp ever since dull predicatble Moyes moved on and Martinez has come in, is unbelievable. Players like Seamus Coleman from Killybegs have vastly improved as he's no longer scared to make mistakes. He's enjoyed playing football again and has scored 5 goals already this season.
I think Jim Gavin brought that type of lift back into Dublin last year. He brought in a good few young lads with pace and they had the Dub fans on the edge of their seats watching their games.
I know we had a lot of injuries AGAIN last year but I hope to see a lot more of Coney, Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey and a few new faces this year.
I'd say a lot of young lads think why should I train with Tyrone all year and not have any chance of a game and then also not play any club football.

Spot on Fuzz, Tyrones corner forwards are more likely to run out towards the half forward line and recycle the ball than take a man on and go for goal.  This is obviously the template Harte has them playing to and its all about efficiency etc and playing the percentages but it completely eradicates flair.  You only have to look at the zero goal threat Tyrone have in Championship football the past few years.  I would hope that the black card and attacking football shown by Dublin would maybe push Harte to take the shackles off a bit but I doubt it.  It really is time for a change, I'm sure a lot of us can predict how this season will pan out. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 03, 2014, 01:50:17 PM
Yeah and I'm sure we'll hear a raft of "how dare you question Mickey" and who else would you bring in, which is true. The fact that he got us to the AI semi last year and a Div 1 league final probably adds to the argument that he has us playing well to a system that suits the players so why change it?

The main thing I wish for in 2014 is to return to NOT playing a sweeper as it changes the whole dynamic of the game. It leads to short kick outs and slow build up from the back. Nobody wants to risk a long kick pass as possession is king.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 03, 2014, 02:30:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 03, 2014, 01:50:17 PM
Yeah and I'm sure we'll hear a raft of "how dare you question Mickey" and who else would you bring in, which is true. The fact that he got us to the AI semi last year and a Div 1 league final probably adds to the argument that he has us playing well to a system that suits the players so why change it?

The main thing I wish for in 2014 is to return to NOT playing a sweeper as it changes the whole dynamic of the game. It leads to short kick outs and slow build up from the back. Nobody wants to risk a long kick pass as possession is king.

But the thing about last year is that you new we were never going to win the league or championship.  It was more of a 'hope we don't get hammered' mentality in a lot of the big games.  Mickey Harte is the best Tyrone manager of all time, but there doesn't seem to be much of a plan B and most of the Country has known our plan A inside out for 5 years now.  The nature of the game calls for changes both at player and management level.  I don't buy into this argument either about 'who will replace him'?  Mickey Harte wasn't a saviour when taking over the Tyrone job, while Jim McGuiness, Pat Gilroy, James Horan or Jim Gavin weren't managers with great reputations before they took over the reigns at Senior inter-couty level.  There are potentially great managers out there. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 09, 2014, 10:49:12 AM
I see Conan Grugan was playing last Sunday v Donegal and he's named in the Irish Indo's players to watch this year.
What do people think of him from his club performances last year and will he be able to push his way into the starting team this year or is he still a bit too young? Is he the same age as Clarke?

With Niall McKenna also pushing to get back into the team will there be much more competition this year for a midfield role?



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 09, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
I fancy Grugan to nail down a starting 15 spot this season either at 10 or 12. Quality footballer. Will take time to adapt, and needs a clear run from injury. In the mould of a Ger Cavlan type footballer. Can drift in & out of games, but when he's good - he's very good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 09, 2014, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 03, 2014, 02:30:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 03, 2014, 01:50:17 PM
Yeah and I'm sure we'll hear a raft of "how dare you question Mickey" and who else would you bring in, which is true. The fact that he got us to the AI semi last year and a Div 1 league final probably adds to the argument that he has us playing well to a system that suits the players so why change it?

The main thing I wish for in 2014 is to return to NOT playing a sweeper as it changes the whole dynamic of the game. It leads to short kick outs and slow build up from the back. Nobody wants to risk a long kick pass as possession is king.

But the thing about last year is that you new we were never going to win the league or championship.  It was more of a 'hope we don't get hammered' mentality in a lot of the big games.  Mickey Harte is the best Tyrone manager of all time, but there doesn't seem to be much of a plan B and most of the Country has known our plan A inside out for 5 years now.  The nature of the game calls for changes both at player and management level.  I don't buy into this argument either about 'who will replace him'?  Mickey Harte wasn't a saviour when taking over the Tyrone job, while Jim McGuiness, Pat Gilroy, James Horan or Jim Gavin weren't managers with great reputations before they took over the reigns at Senior inter-couty level. There are potentially great managers out there.

Any potentially great managers out there should have some sort of a sucessful track record.

Harte, McGuiness and Gavin were all successful underage (minor / u-21) and graduated to senior with those players.
Danny Ball didn't get the Tyrone job early enough with his 2 u-21 teams but the next Tyrone man to sucessfully manage an u-21 team should be allowed to carry through to Senior. Same goes for a minor winning manager he should get the opportunity at u-21.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 09, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
I see Tommy Canavan kicked 1-3 last night for St Marys. Was he at the trials in November?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stalwart on January 09, 2014, 02:17:13 PM
anybody thinks that kyle coney would make the slightest difference to tyrone is deluded
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on January 09, 2014, 02:18:45 PM
Quote from: stalwart on January 09, 2014, 02:17:13 PM
anybody thinks that kyle coney would make the slightest difference to tyrone is deluded

I concur.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 09, 2014, 03:30:34 PM
Why the forgeone views on Coney?  Had a bad run with injuries the past two years but was he not flying and our top scorer in Division 2 two years ago?  I admit I haven't seen a lot of him, but is the chances of him being a big player for Tyrone completely out of the question? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 15, 2014, 02:21:56 PM
1. N Morgan 2. A McCrory 3. R McNamee 4. B Tierney 5. C McGinley 6. P Harte 7. R McNabb 8. D McBride  9. C Grugan 10. E McKenna 11. S McGuigan 12. PJ Lavery 13. P McNiece 14. Mattie Donnelly 15. R O'Neill

Good to see Ronan McNabb back. If fit would walk straight into my starting 15.

Ronan McNamee at full back will be interesting. Looked very comfortable there at underage, although with the McMahons & Conor Clarke about I don't think he will be played there this year.

McBride gets an opportunity in Midfield. Strong enough looking side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 15, 2014, 02:24:23 PM
Meant to say, for those that cant attend the matches for whatever reason - Tyrones first NFL game against Derry in Celtic park is televised live. Saturday fortnight.

http://www.premiersports.tv/gaa/gaa/

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2014, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 15, 2014, 02:24:23 PM
Meant to say, for those that cant attend the matches for whatever reason - Tyrones first NFL game against Derry in Celtic park is televised live. Saturday fortnight.

http://www.premiersports.tv/gaa/gaa/

Hmm? Can this be obtained in pubs. Our dinner dance is that night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:29:22 AM
Good enough news on the injury front in todays press then. Sean & Colm Cavanagh plus Mark Donnelly likely to be available for the trip to Celtic Park against Derry.
That's good news considering Derry seemed to overpower our Midfield the last day. Colm Cavanagh has been much maligned on this board in the past, but we were crying out for his size & presence towards the end last Sunday.

Derry probably took more encouragement from Sundays game than we did. With Cailean oBoyle & Chrissy McKaigue to come in, plus our horrible record in Celtic Pk as well, its sure to be a difficult game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 21, 2014, 02:49:54 PM
That is good news as Sean no doubt will be one of our top scorers again this year if he can stay fit.
What about the others that are injured like the 2 McMahons & Gormley?
It would be great to see McNabb get a run of games injury free.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 21, 2014, 03:21:34 PM
Sketchy enough details yet Fuzz
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/25820648

Good to see McNabb back surely but he was subbed at half time. I can only presume he picked up a knock or an injury

No mention of Martin Penrose or Aidan Cassidy to date. Cassidy would have been a good option at Midfield even for 20+ minutes. Penrose will struggle to get playing time now I think, him and Kyle Coney have slipped well down the pecking order. Coney is close to a comeback, but having missed the McKenna cup I cant see where he will even get an opportunity now. There are too many men ahead in the pecking order
Take Grugan last year. On club form he looked like a starting 15 man, in the in house games mugsy said he stuck out like a sore thumb - best player in the two games he attended - yet he never seen 1 minutes action because he was injured during last years McKenna cup. Mickey doesn't t**ker too much from here on in, especially if the team is going reasonably well.

Dan McNulty hasn't made the bench since the Queens game, I wonder is he injured?

In theory Harte must have a panel of 38, possibly 39 men. I wouldn't be at all suprised if we announce a retirement yet. SON & Gormley are both keeping a low profile almost non comittal, and Justys hamstring problems don't ever seem to let up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 21, 2014, 03:27:56 PM
I think Harte likes Coney though, came out of nowhere last summer and got a few minutes here and there when there were other boys who didn't get a sniff.  Same with Ronan O'Neill.  As for Cassidy, he is too injury prone and at this stage would be better off the panel.  What is the craic with Justy?  Constantly injured since 2010, always seems to be the hamstrings.  Mad that it still hasn't been sorted out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on January 21, 2014, 06:45:08 PM
its definetely going to be hard for some of the older players to slot back into the equation come march/april if theyve missed all the preseason training with the squad..one thing that struck me about tyrone on sunday was the pace of most players..do the mcmahons fit into that type of game..justy hasnt featured now for a few years tbh, are his days numbered? i was thinking the same thing - could we see a few more retirements !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on January 21, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
time for Justy to pack it in, good player in 2008 - has done nothing since, constantly injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on January 22, 2014, 09:06:01 AM
some of the tyrone players are always carrying injuries, son, k coney, mc nabb, a cassidy, justy, d carlin, big joe as soon as they're fit everyone is like they should be on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on January 22, 2014, 09:12:47 AM
I wouldn't be so quick to rule Justy out. If he can get fit (I know that's a big if) he's still one of the best markers we have. And we're not blessed with good defenders at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 22, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
Wouyld love to see Justy fit again, he was brilliant in 2008 and 2009 but that was a long time ago now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 22, 2014, 12:03:55 PM
I'm glad to hear lads talking about pace in the current teams being fielded.
I think it's one area where we've been lacking in the last few years although Mickey did address it a bit last year with Ryan McKenna and McGinley in defence.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: dulaman on January 22, 2014, 12:51:20 PM
I see the u21 team beat Leitrim seniors last night with some decent performances. Some handy players in that squad that should be pushing for senior places over the next year or so. Reckon tyrone Football will be on a high again for the next few years with the number of younger players coming through. Exciting times
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on January 22, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
I can't see Coney making an impact this year even if he does get over his injury. In my opinion Patrick McNiece seems to be fit and able this year and I can see him making a championship 15 this year.
As for the return of the Cavanaghs, It is great to get Sean back to the panel but i would love to see more of Nial Mckenna in midfield and also try to get Conan Grugan a starting spot.
Also heard a rumor that Penrose could be taking his retirement but as I said this is only a rumor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 22, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
I'd say Penrose if fed up chasing men around his own defence and never getting the glory of scores any more. He looked very frustrated v Monaghan last year and not just with that wee wasp Mone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on January 22, 2014, 05:21:17 PM
Penrose should be happy with getting a jersey, he is a great tackler and thats about the end of it, hes got serious pace but doesnt use it and his finishing and passing are really erratic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on January 22, 2014, 05:46:36 PM
Penrose has pretty much the full deck as to what you'd want a footballer to have - pace, timing, tackling etc but for some reason he seems to panic just as he's about to shoot!   And why does he always try to burst the back of the net?  Calm down son! 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 22, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
Quote from: EastTyrone on January 22, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
I can't see Coney making an impact this year even if he does get over his injury. In my opinion Patrick McNiece seems to be fit and able this year and I can see him making a championship 15 this year.
As for the return of the Cavanaghs, It is great to get Sean back to the panel but i would love to see more of Nial Mckenna in midfield and also try to get Conan Grugan a starting spot.
Also heard a rumor that Penrose could be taking his retirement but as I said this is only a rumor.

Hopefully colm cavanagh gets more of a break from tyrone supporters this year. Proved in the quarter and semis last year that he was more than worth his place. Grugan and McKenna are both good on the ball and decent players but struggled badly to win possession last Sunday against what may not even be Derrys first choice midfield. I don't think colm is a guaranteed starter this year but tyrone do need that kind of work rate around the middle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 23, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
Colm is a nice fellow and thought of very highly among supporters for he is liketh a young bounding gazelle, and last year probably was the best club midfielder in Tyrone ahead of his brother Sean .  Its a glass half full half empty debate though.  In his biggest and best game last year again Mayo he played that hospital ball to Petie Harte and Harte ended up in hospital.  He then clattered Gormley and took him out with sheer awkwardness to leave the way open for the penalty... Goal!!!  The nickname "Colm the clatter" is unfair, as it was pure exuberance and maybe the two main reasons why Tyrone lost.  We have been here now and its time to learn.  Even on a good day such clattering can really be important factors in Tyrone losing games.  He deserves his panel place more than anyone though. I think one year on If Tyrone had better footballers on the field they would have won last years all Ireland.  Now we have so lets stick with it and not break it up just yet.   This years team is flying lets not change it too much to accommodate last years players, and if we are honest some of them boys last year were not good enough to start an all ireland final.   There is no need to change just yet as hey stop the pony we are winning.  If you disagree with all these big winning margins can you suggest what an appropriate winning margin might be before you would be happy to stick with the team that are winning.  Give the young boys the chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2014, 10:27:40 AM
Quote from: rrhf on January 23, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
Colm is a nice fellow and thought of very highly among supporters for he is liketh a young bounding gazelle, and last year probably was the best club midfielder in Tyrone ahead of his brother Sean .  Its a glass half full half empty debate though.  In his biggest and best game last year again Mayo he played that hospital ball to Petie Harte and Harte ended up in hospital.  He then clattered Gormley and took him out with sheer awkwardness to leave the way open for the penalty... Goal!!!  The nickname "Colm the clatter" is unfair, as it was pure exuberance and maybe the two main reasons why Tyrone lost.  We have been here now and its time to learn.  Even on a good day such clattering can really be important factors in Tyrone losing games.  He deserves his panel place more than anyone though. I think one year on If Tyrone had better footballers on the field they would have won last years all Ireland.  Now we have so lets stick with it and not break it up just yet.   This years team is flying lets not change it too much to accommodate last years players, and if we are honest some of them boys last year were not good enough to start an all ireland final.   There is no need to change just yet as hey stop the pony we are winning.  If you disagree with all these big winning margins can you suggest what an appropriate winning margin might be before you would be happy to stick with the team that are winning.  Give the young boys the chance.

rrhf bit of a mixed message, for his club last year your right in saying he was probably the best performing midfielder in the club championship.  Moy dominated midfield in all their games, obviously Ryan Mellon played his part and isn't a bad partner to back a man up.  As for Tyrone, Colm is well worth his place, in fact there is nobody in the county even to put up a challenge.  McKenna has certain qualities but doesn't have the physical presence.  I've seen Colm play against McKenna in the past and it wasn't even a contest, Colm dominated him.  Cassidy has been in and out but lacks mobility.  Micky Harte has deployed Colm as a defensive midfielder and his role seems to be to put himself about and break up the momentum of the opposition.  In my opinion Colm Cavanagh is the best fielder in the county ahead of Sean.  Hope to see him back for the league as he continues to mature as an inter-county footballer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 23, 2014, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2014, 10:27:40 AM
Quote from: rrhf on January 23, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
Colm is a nice fellow and thought of very highly among supporters for he is liketh a young bounding gazelle, and last year probably was the best club midfielder in Tyrone ahead of his brother Sean .  Its a glass half full half empty debate though.  In his biggest and best game last year again Mayo he played that hospital ball to Petie Harte and Harte ended up in hospital.  He then clattered Gormley and took him out with sheer awkwardness to leave the way open for the penalty... Goal!!!  The nickname "Colm the clatter" is unfair, as it was pure exuberance and maybe the two main reasons why Tyrone lost.  We have been here now and its time to learn.  Even on a good day such clattering can really be important factors in Tyrone losing games.  He deserves his panel place more than anyone though. I think one year on If Tyrone had better footballers on the field they would have won last years all Ireland.  Now we have so lets stick with it and not break it up just yet.   This years team is flying lets not change it too much to accommodate last years players, and if we are honest some of them boys last year were not good enough to start an all ireland final.   There is no need to change just yet as hey stop the pony we are winning.  If you disagree with all these big winning margins can you suggest what an appropriate winning margin might be before you would be happy to stick with the team that are winning.  Give the young boys the chance.

rrhf bit of a mixed message, for his club last year your right in saying he was probably the best performing midfielder in the club championship.  Moy dominated midfield in all their games, obviously Ryan Mellon played his part and isn't a bad partner to back a man up.  As for Tyrone, Colm is well worth his place, in fact there is nobody in the county even to put up a challenge.  McKenna has certain qualities but doesn't have the physical presence.  I've seen Colm play against McKenna in the past and it wasn't even a contest, Colm dominated him.  Cassidy has been in and out but lacks mobility.  Micky Harte has deployed Colm as a defensive midfielder and his role seems to be to put himself about and break up the momentum of the opposition.  In my opinion Colm Cavanagh is the best fielder in the county ahead of Sean.  Hope to see him back for the league as he continues to mature as an inter-county footballer.

As I said before, Ronan Lafferty is probably the best fielder and most physical midfielder in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 23, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
The best fielder in the county bar none is Colm Doris. He has given some exhibitions of fielding over the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on January 23, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
Do we really have anyone that could compete with MDMA in MF. I personally think we don't.
That's the benchmark.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 23, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
The best fielder in the county bar none is Colm Doris. He has given some exhibitions of fielding over the years.

Put Colm Dorris in a hop ball with Colm Cavanagh I know who I would have my money on.  Colm Dorris is a quality player but plays half forward and is targeted by Clonoe with most of their kickouts.  So he would be fielding against a half back most of the time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2014, 02:02:05 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on January 23, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
Do we really have anyone that could compete with MDMA in MF. I personally think we don't.
That's the benchmark.

I don't think we have anyone that has the work rate MDMA brings to a game.  He is box to box for the full 70mins.  He does set the benchmark id agree there especially after this year.  It does help that he has Cluxton hitting him with perfect balls 70/80% of the time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 23, 2014, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 23, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
The best fielder in the county bar none is Colm Doris. He has given some exhibitions of fielding over the years.

Put Colm Dorris in a hop ball with Colm Cavanagh I know who I would have my money on.  Colm Dorris is a quality player but plays half forward and is targeted by Clonoe with most of their kickouts.  So he would be fielding against a half back most of the time.

Pity there isn't a pile of hop balls in a game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on January 24, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
To those people who are criticising Colm Kavanagh . I beseech you to stay at home and play some board game preferably snakes and ladders.Big Kavanagh is one of the top players in the county and the club championship highlighted that in abundance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on January 24, 2014, 10:00:27 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on January 24, 2014, 10:18:45 AM
He was very poor against Carrickmore after a strong first 10 and midfield is far from Carmens strong point. He is a good player but far he is a long way from the best club midfielder in Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 24, 2014, 10:43:33 AM
To be honest Colm is one of the first names id put on the teamsheet. He's by no means MDMA but he is in my opinion one of the top 2 all round midfielders we have available in the county
We might have better fielders of the ball than him, we might have more mobile midfielders, we might have better ball playing midfielders etc, but when you take all those characteristics and average them out - he is deserving of starting 15 place. Its up to some of the younger lads now to try and take that No.8 jersey off him

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on January 24, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
I have not seen anybody gutsier than big Colly.I am an admirer of footballers who are not afraid to put in a bit of welly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on January 24, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
i'd start colly k i know he tries to catch the ball with one hand and with the black card he could get sent off handy enough but when playing his best he's a very good footballer, goals he scored againist cork and monaghan were brilliant.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 24, 2014, 10:26:25 PM
With colum we know he is good. I think we have to let others develop to that level.  We done the same with him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2014, 10:35:45 PM
I've a feeling he'll try Sean in the forwards for a game or 2 so there may be at least one midfield position free for part of the league. From what I've seen so far in the McKenna cup grugan or Mcbride could be best to fill it. Definitely interested to see how Mcbride gets on tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on January 25, 2014, 12:10:49 PM
McKenna was an extremely good minor. I would like to see him get a run of games now after is break to see how he goes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: washed_up on January 25, 2014, 02:25:19 PM
is the game being streamed anywhere tonight??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 29, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
Can anyone give me an update on the squad.
Which of the more experienced lads will be back for the league?

Who do you see as our corner backs this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2014, 10:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
Can anyone give me an update on the squad.
Which of the more experienced lads will be back for the league?

Who do you see as our corner backs this year?

News from the squad seems to be quiet enough. I suspect a one or two more experienced may be involved on Saturday and the rest eased back in as the league goes on.

There's no doubt that the full back line could be our biggest weakness and an area that we could struggle in. Looking at the squad and assuming given his age Gormley is only an option at half back the options for corner back seem to be:
McRory
PJ Quinn
Tierney
McKenna
McNamee
Carlin
We will miss McCarron this year as he was solid enough in one of the positions. Looking at the above I'm not totally convinced with the options. Carlin hasn't nailed down a place there previously so unlikey to now. PJ is a good option but struggles with injuries. McRory is quick and big and reasonably sticky but he has always just been to clean and stands off too much. I'm not sure if he can improve this at this stage of his career. I'd like to see Tierney get a few games. He stuck to Clarke rightly versus Armagh though Clarke always beat him to he ball and looked very dangerous. He seems sticky to stick to his man but could lack the power at the top level and could be easily turned when over commits.

Harte may need to think again about who to play here but there doesn't seem to be many options around the county. Looking at the squad there isn't a huge number of options that could be converted. McGinley is quick and big enough but could have the same problems as McRory in the postion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 04, 2014, 05:11:32 PM
Any word of how the Tyrone Under 21s are getting on? I believe that they are playing friendlies recently but haven't heard any reports.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 05, 2014, 10:59:37 AM
I thought Tierney did well on Sat. Was he marking Kielt for most of the game?
We looked very open but I wonder is Mickey purposely leaving it like that to get each man used to marking his own man again and not relying on a sweeper to give them cover. A sweeper can give defenders a false sense of security I suppose whereas if every man is responsible for his own man not getting scores from play then you can see who's doing their job and who isn't.

I'd expect McKenna to get back in to the corner this weekend and maybe Tierney keep his place.
I hope Grugan continues to play most games and maybe him and Colm can form a new partnership there. We all say it every year but I really would love to see Big Sean at the edge of the square this year. I know he gives so much more to the team with his direct strong running but with these new rules surely a full back would have a nightmare marking him without pulling him down. The FB would have to be very careful not to get a black card and so Sean could get space to make high. I expect a lot more kick passing into our FF line this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 05, 2014, 11:38:44 AM
Any of the Clonoe posters on here know whats happening with Daniel McNulty? Surprised how little game time he has seen so far, so I can only presume he is injured. Super prospect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on February 05, 2014, 12:08:56 PM
I saw him at the McKenna cup game with Derry and he appeared to be limping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on February 05, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 05, 2014, 11:38:44 AM
Any of the Clonoe posters on here know whats happening with Daniel McNulty? Surprised how little game time he has seen so far, so I can only presume he is injured. Super prospect.

He has a back injury as far as im aware. Serious talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 05, 2014, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on February 04, 2014, 05:11:32 PM
Any word of how the Tyrone Under 21s are getting on? I believe that they are playing friendlies recently but haven't heard any reports.

They played Antrim in the Cremartin Cup last Sat in Glenmornan- the home of football- and won 1.10 to 0.4. However it was that wet I only watched 10 mins do hard to gauge anything.

I think they are away to Louth this Friday. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on February 09, 2014, 11:17:11 PM
The evolution of Tyrone

Saturday, February 08, 2014

ALLIANZ FL DIV 1:
Tyrone v Mayo

When the time comes to review this decade of football, and in turn the validity of Kerry's 10-point win over Tyrone in July 2012, just how dimly will history view that qualifier in Killarney?



By John Fogarty
Replaced by Donegal and Dublin at the top of the heap, was this merely a pair of has-beens slugging it out for pittance off the strip? A lot of Kerry supporters and a handful of their players convinced themselves it was a win more than its true worth as the Tyrone following strenuously played it down when their team's season had climaxed for Donegal and fell away thereafter.

Despite the billing, the game was less than it appeared, but then neither was it a false dawn for the hosts or a false dusk for the visitors. 13 months later and the headline pugilists of the 2000s had reached All-Ireland semi-finals off campaigns that could be believed in.

Fast forward to last week and the parallels between the counties continue. In their opener against Dublin, much was made of Kerry fielding a team without a player who started a winning All-Ireland final. That same evening in Derry, Mickey Harte did exactly the same as Eamonn Fitzmaurice.

Enda McGinley, one of only six men who began all three of Tyrone's September successes, watched on excitedly as much as with a sense of relief.

"I don't think until now there has been a proper wave of new players since the original group. Every year there has been a couple of new players coming through.

"The McKenna Cup this year was the first time a team has been fielded without a significant element of the main bunch, those that came through minor and U21s for the '03, '05 and '08 successes. I'd have seen that bunch as the same generation.

"There is a strong feelgood factor in the county. The injuries and unavailability of senior players, I think, has worked into Mickey's hands and in a way forced him to give the young players free reign and believe this is very much their team now.

"It's probably shown it's time now to put the faith in the new players. Rather than when it was a sprinkling of new players with a majority of senior players, we might now see it other way around — a team full of young players getting the best out of a sprinkling of senior players."

Club Tyrone's Mark Conway smiles when it's put to him the county's fourth coming is beckoning.

"To re-coin a phrase, 'we never went away'," he says tongue-in-cheek. "The greatest crop of minors we ever produced was in '97 and '98 and Tyrone arrogance would say no other county has produced a batch like that at the one time. Six years later the bulk of them won the first All-Ireland senior title.

"Time will tell but we thought our minor team of 2008 was an exceptional team. Out of that team now you have Niall McKenna, Paddy McNeice, Matthew Donnelly and Ronan McNabb. Of the 2010 minor team you have the likes of Ronan O'Neill and Conor Clarke. This team has won nothing yet but if they do it won't be much of a surprise because there is a bit of a pedigree there."

McGinley is concerned, though, by the size of the shadow cast by the teams he featured on. The constant harking back to what was achieved in that glittering six-year period, he warns, could debilitate the current crop.

"One nagging thing — and I think it's an Irish one — I'm hearing time and time again is that this group is not the same as the group I was part of. That's a very false comparison to make. When we were coming together in 2002 and '03 our group wasn't recognised as particularly special.

"People are believing we were something we weren't. We're becoming better footballers in retirement. It's an unfair comparison. The footballers now are expected to be the finished article at the start of their careers.

"The game has become youthful. The time to shine is from the ages of 21 to 24 but with that there has be to an element of patience too. I'd just like to see the idea that we were this out-of-this-world bunch of footballers knocked on the head."

What this Tyrone team can only beat is what is put in front of them. For the past three seasons, they have been presented with Donegal but found each time their eyes bigger than their bellies.

The possibility of an Ulster final date with their neighbours is one to relish, although it is a long way off, and Tyrone must make it there the long way with a preliminary round date with Down in mid-May.

"It's nearly like a tidal thing," argues McGinley. "One team, Donegal, has been on a high and the other on a low. Tyrone would be very confident that their lull will be relatively short. Even the year Donegal won the All-Ireland, Tyrone weren't that far off them.

"Last year in Ballybofey was tough to take but Tyrone would be happier with how the Championship went. Donegal peaked for the Tyrone match but Tyrone peaked later in the season.

"Donegal are approaching this year differently but Mickey has injected more pace and freshness into the team. There is still doubt about whether we can beat the top teams, but there is confidence in the camp that they can. The experience of losing close games and that wee bit of match management will help. Nothing's a done deal but it feels as if it's a new journey."

A new journey but with the same captain at the helm. Harte remains the one true constant, this his 23rd consecutive year involved with a Tyrone county team and 12th with the seniors.

Several managers with designs on succeeding him have been foiled by his enthusiasm to stay in the role, but then such is the good faith he has generated that nobody would dare raise their head above the parapet to question him.

Harte is no daw, either. If there is another golden generation to harvest, why vacate? Besides, few in the county would suggest there is anyone better positioned to do so.

"I'm very biased but I just think he's the man," says Conway. "Nobody, not even Mick O'Dwyer has a track record like him. He has All-Irelands and Ulster titles at senior, minor and U21. He's won the National League and the Ulster minor league. Every school team he took charge of won their Tyrone, Ulster and All-Ireland title.

"At club level he's won the Tyrone and Ulster championships and I think the only thing he hasn't won as a manager is the All-Ireland club title with Errigal Ciarán."

What's certain now is Tyrone, as they face a rematch with their 2013 semi-final victors Mayo tomorrow, are far removed from Killarney 2012. For one, just six of the team that took the field in Fitzgerald Stadium start in Omagh.

"It's something you always want to avoid but somewhere in your mind and heart, you know it's coming," recalls McGinley of the game. "It was perfectly set-up for Kerry, the cards were stacked up in their favour. These things happen.

"The most important thing now is there are plenty of good days and huge potential in the county and it's starting to gather momentum."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 10, 2014, 11:08:07 AM
Thanks for posting that Orangeman.
Interesting that for the second season in a row Kerry are off to a bad start with 2 defeats and Tyrone are off to a good start.
Kerry's new forward O'Donoghue seems a real gem and apparently has that arrogance that good forwards need to succeed.
I hope McCurry, Ron, McAliskey & Mattie can all stay fit for the summer as they need a good run to get them established. McCurry is on fire at the moment and seems to have that wee bit of arrogance also which keeps him sharp. He seems to be really enjoying his football and the exuberance of youth make a young player like that electric to watch.
Was delighted to see Mattie ramming my words down my throat yesterday as he looked much sharper around the square.

I for one am delighted with the way Mickey has the team playing again and hope he keeps it up for the whole season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on February 11, 2014, 01:46:56 PM
You'd have to credit Harte for continually adapting and changing how his teams play, it's a rare enough thing among managers. If you look at Joe Kernan, Pete McGrath, even McGuinness, they all had their one style which didn't change much over their careers. The developed hugely successful styles but didn't upgrade it when they should have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 11, 2014, 03:20:44 PM
It was a blessing in disuise to have SON, Gormley and Cavanagh etc injured this year.  Enda's article hit the spot when he said that over the past few years that youth was never really given a chance, that you had the odd newbie in here and there but this year has seen a complete shift in policy and irrelevant of what happens this year the Tyrone team of two or three years time will reap the rewards of the game time the younger players are getting now.  As I said lots of times before when people say that the new players arent up to the mark of the old ones, the Tyrone players from the golden age were not seen as potential triple sam winners in when they burst onto the scene from 2000- 2002.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on February 11, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
Ok who are the managers of the senior clubs for the year?

Ardboe          Seamus Doyle/Barry Dillon
Moy              Niall O'Neill/Brian Taggart
Donaghmore Sean Mc Cabe
Errigal          Ronan Mc Guckian
Clonoe          Damian Cassidy
Carrickmore  Brian Gromley
Moortown      Chris Lawn
Cookstown    John Mc Keever
Coalisland ?
Dromore ?
Omagh ?
Augher ?
Eglish ?
Strabane ?
Eskra ?
Killyclogher ?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on February 11, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on February 11, 2014, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on February 11, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
Ok who are the managers of the senior clubs for the year?

Ardboe          Seamus Doyle/Barry Dillon
Moy              Niall O'Neill/Brian Taggart
Donaghmore Sean Mc Cabe
Errigal          Ronan Mc Guckian
Clonoe          Damian Cassidy
Carrickmore  Brian Gromley
Moortown      Chris Lawn
Cookstown    John Mc Keever
Coalisland ? Brian McGuckin and Richard Thornton
Dromore ? Audi Kelly and Paul Rouse
Omagh ? Larry Strain
Augher ? Colm McCaughey
Eglish ?
Strabane ? Palor McNulty
Eskra ? Paul Feeney and Archie Beattie
Killyclogher ? Kieran Howe



I heard Cricko isn't with Moortown this year - it's Paddy McGuckin I think. Others added in italics going on different speculation / bullshit

Eglish manager is your fella clarke,ronan clarkes father who was over carmen a few years back,adrian is it??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on February 11, 2014, 04:13:03 PM


Ardboe          Seamus Doyle/Barry Dillon
Moy              Niall O'Neill/Brian Taggart
Donaghmore Sean Mc Cabe
Errigal          Ronan Mc Guckian
Clonoe          Damian Cassidy
Carrickmore  Brian Gromley
Moortown      Chris Lawn
Cookstown    John Mc Keever
Coalisland ? Brian McGuckin and Richard Thornton
Dromore ? Audi Kelly and Paul Rouse
Omagh ?    Larry Strain
Augher ?    Colm McCaughey
Eglish ?         Adrian Clarke
Strabane ? Palor McNulty
Eskra ?      Paul Feeney and Archie Beattie
Killyclogher ? Kieran Howe

Brian Mc Guckian, a cousin fo Ronans?

Draws for the championship tonight. They would need to give dates for the first round to be fair to the clubs. Hopefully the performance of the CCC will be well improved fom last years show.




I heard Cricko isn't with Moortown this year - it's Paddy McGuckin I think. Others added in italics going on different speculation / bullshit
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 11, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
i heard Feeney isnt back with Eskra this year, but not sure if theres any truth in that.

hasn't been much chat about the draw, it really should be hyped a wee bit more to build a bit of anticipation for the championship.
Even if it was drawn the night before the first round of league games, that would create a bit of a buzz for the start of the leagues aswell.

Not sure why its so early this year, they must need to know the championship pairings to plan the league fixtures?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on February 11, 2014, 04:33:33 PM
I can 100% confirm paul feeney is back with eskra,chatting to a player at weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 11, 2014, 04:38:26 PM
What about D2 and D3 managers. I heard Killeeshil's championship winning manager, Seamie McCallion isnt returning due to family reasons. Dutchy is the man in charge this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 12, 2014, 12:38:02 PM
 ??? ??? ??? THREAD POLICE!!!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 13, 2014, 11:23:34 PM
Any of the Clonoe lads hear what the craic is regarding Dan McNulty's injury? Would be great to see him get a run out in the league for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on February 16, 2014, 11:48:24 AM
Thoughts on this article?

I'VE READ and heard so many times over the past year or so about people singing the praises of Tyrone's training and GAA complex at Garvaghey. And rightly so in some respects, as it took great vision and leadership to make such a bold leap, a bit like the development of Croke Park in many ways.
But the fact is that there's an awful lot of work to be done up there if they are to make it a really top notch set-up.
Yes, it's a great facility, but the first big mistake they made was with the location. When you're standing at Garvaghey and looking around you at eye level, there's a reason why the only thing you see are wind turbines. Even on the hottest day of summer I still think there'd be a wind up there, testing conditions, and that makes it hugely difficult to try and get good preparations in when accurate passing is such a key aspect of your game.
Yes, there are trees planted and the likes which should in the long term help to shelter the place a bit from the elements, but that's 30 years down the line and global warming might have taken care of the problem by then anyway!
What it is sorely missing is an indoor arena. You look at what is in Lavey, or the Meadowvale in Magherafelt and at the Mid-Ulster Sports Arena in Cookstown. It's an indoor pitch where you are sheltered from the elements, where Mickey Harte or any other coach could take his players for a session, or for stretching, or anything else they wanted to do without sending the players out into the sort of arctic conditions we've seen in recent weeks.
You look at the building, which looks great from above, but realistically who is going to see it from above and the shape of the Celtic 'T'? Unless you're in your private helicopter or plane, or you're a bird, then it's not really going to make that much of a difference to you. What it has meant is that for the sake of a fancy architectural design, we have a building which doesn't have a single square room or straightforward corner, everything a mix-up of odd shapes.
There should be a big hall where teams can operate, do circuits or gym work or whatever they have to do, but it was sacrificed for an auditorium. When I was there, it seemed like the gym equipment had all just been piled into the one room. There is no specific gym lay-out, instead the equipment all crammed into a room which was originally intended for storage.
It's a great place for seminars, for county board meetings, and the administrative offices and board room look really well. But at the end of the day this is supposed to be a place for training and developing footballers to help them be the best that they can be. Is it focused on admin or on the players?
At the minute, I would actually say that it trails behind Derry's new Owenbeg complex from a player's point of view. It's a start, a solid start, but there is so much more that could be done and needs to be done. The next challenge to the Tyrone fraternity is to make that happen.
I think it's all part of a bigger picture for Tyrone GAA. It frustrates me every time I hear or read about the good work which Tyrone people are doing elsewhere, with other counties benefiting from their experience and their expertise.
Take Peter Donnelly for example. He's getting huge credit for the work he is doing with Cavan, a real driving force behind their emergence as a real footballing powerhouse again. He's going around schools, working with their development squads, and working with the senior team to help get the very best out of them. He's even going to meet up with players at their universities for one-to-one sessions to work on particular aspects of their game.
But he's doing it with Cavan, not with Tyrone. We should be bending over backwards to get men like that involved in our county set-ups. There is certainly the opportunity for him to be working with Tyrone.
We can see Cavan and other counties like Dublin who are constantly moving forward, but are we in Tyrone standing still? It's areas like these where investment should be made, and it frustrates me when I see money being forked out on stupid things. I've seen that Donnelly has gone as far as visiting the training facilities of some of the top sports clubs in Europe, drawing on their expertise. Who are we sending to Bayern Munich training to see what we can learn from it? There is so much there that could be done, and we're not doing it. It's time for some outside the box thinking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 16, 2014, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 16, 2014, 11:48:24 AM
Thoughts on this article?

I'VE READ and heard so many times over the past year or so about people singing the praises of Tyrone's training and GAA complex at Garvaghey. And rightly so in some respects, as it took great vision and leadership to make such a bold leap, a bit like the development of Croke Park in many ways.
But the fact is that there's an awful lot of work to be done up there if they are to make it a really top notch set-up.
Yes, it's a great facility, but the first big mistake they made was with the location. When you're standing at Garvaghey and looking around you at eye level, there's a reason why the only thing you see are wind turbines. Even on the hottest day of summer I still think there'd be a wind up there, testing conditions, and that makes it hugely difficult to try and get good preparations in when accurate passing is such a key aspect of your game.
Yes, there are trees planted and the likes which should in the long term help to shelter the place a bit from the elements, but that's 30 years down the line and global warming might have taken care of the problem by then anyway!
What it is sorely missing is an indoor arena. You look at what is in Lavey, or the Meadowvale in Magherafelt and at the Mid-Ulster Sports Arena in Cookstown. It's an indoor pitch where you are sheltered from the elements, where Mickey Harte or any other coach could take his players for a session, or for stretching, or anything else they wanted to do without sending the players out into the sort of arctic conditions we've seen in recent weeks.
You look at the building, which looks great from above, but realistically who is going to see it from above and the shape of the Celtic 'T'? Unless you're in your private helicopter or plane, or you're a bird, then it's not really going to make that much of a difference to you. What it has meant is that for the sake of a fancy architectural design, we have a building which doesn't have a single square room or straightforward corner, everything a mix-up of odd shapes.
There should be a big hall where teams can operate, do circuits or gym work or whatever they have to do, but it was sacrificed for an auditorium. When I was there, it seemed like the gym equipment had all just been piled into the one room. There is no specific gym lay-out, instead the equipment all crammed into a room which was originally intended for storage.
It's a great place for seminars, for county board meetings, and the administrative offices and board room look really well. But at the end of the day this is supposed to be a place for training and developing footballers to help them be the best that they can be. Is it focused on admin or on the players?
At the minute, I would actually say that it trails behind Derry's new Owenbeg complex from a player's point of view. It's a start, a solid start, but there is so much more that could be done and needs to be done. The next challenge to the Tyrone fraternity is to make that happen.
I think it's all part of a bigger picture for Tyrone GAA. It frustrates me every time I hear or read about the good work which Tyrone people are doing elsewhere, with other counties benefiting from their experience and their expertise.
Take Peter Donnelly for example. He's getting huge credit for the work he is doing with Cavan, a real driving force behind their emergence as a real footballing powerhouse again. He's going around schools, working with their development squads, and working with the senior team to help get the very best out of them. He's even going to meet up with players at their universities for one-to-one sessions to work on particular aspects of their game.
But he's doing it with Cavan, not with Tyrone. We should be bending over backwards to get men like that involved in our county set-ups. There is certainly the opportunity for him to be working with Tyrone.
We can see Cavan and other counties like Dublin who are constantly moving forward, but are we in Tyrone standing still? It's areas like these where investment should be made, and it frustrates me when I see money being forked out on stupid things. I've seen that Donnelly has gone as far as visiting the training facilities of some of the top sports clubs in Europe, drawing on their expertise. Who are we sending to Bayern Munich training to see what we can learn from it? There is so much there that could be done, and we're not doing it. It's time for some outside the box thinking.
from what i have seen of Garvaghy, probably a lot of truth in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on February 17, 2014, 08:54:05 AM
Have to say I agree with many of those points.
1/ the gym is not that impressive
2/ a full size indoor pitch is a must
3/ a pitch with a decent stand needs built.

I would have expected these three things for the money spent
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 17, 2014, 09:36:21 AM
Yeah id agree with a lot of what McGuigan is saying as well. I think the celtic t shaped thing was ill thought out, lacked common sense & ultimately comes across as a bit vain really

However no one associated with Garvaghey is saying the facilities are the finished article. Its still very much a work in progress, but we've come along way. From what ive heard there are plans in place for improvements - including erecting a stand.

One of the items at the top of their agenda at the moment is developing other revenue streams. That will be reinvested & we should see improvements again in the next few years. It'll take time, but whats clear is that those behind the scenes driving the thing on wont rest until the set up is exactly whats required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on February 17, 2014, 02:01:50 PM
At club level coaches go and watch teams training etc. No one knows everything, nor should claim to know everything. McGuigan is spot on regarding Garvaghey. Carmen played Dromore in it at the tail end off last Summer and I had to go to the car for a coat and a hat, and there wasn't a cloud in the sky
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 21, 2014, 10:20:36 AM

So the County squad has been cut as of last night. Has anyone got a definite list of who didn't make the cut? Have heard a few names of those omitted but maybe wrong
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 21, 2014, 02:56:09 PM
I thought I was reading the club thread there for a while

No news on teamtalkmag either about the cut squad
I'd say it's a hard job and I'd say Shay Mcguigan is probably hoping the family name will give him a bit of scope. Niall McKenna will probably be sweating it out again
I wonder how ruthless Mickey will be with his older heads

Could Stevie or Justy have played his last game? Hardly think so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on February 22, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on February 22, 2014, 11:42:40 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 22, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores

Class act and great to see him back to his very, very best. Superb talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 23, 2014, 01:35:59 AM
Quote from: orangeman on February 22, 2014, 11:42:40 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 22, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores

Class act and great to see him back to his very, very best. Superb talent.

Great stuff. A cert to make the cut, any news on the rest?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on February 23, 2014, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 22, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores

Thought he was the best player on the pitch last night. 11 could be his best position definitely would like to see him get a few games there for Tyrone at some stage in the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 23, 2014, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on February 23, 2014, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 22, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores

Thought he was the best player on the pitch last night. 11 could be his best position definitely would like to see him get a few games there for Tyrone at some stage in the league.
I have been saying this for a while now, his kick passing last night was first class.
im not sure he has the size or speed to play as an inside forward at IC level, ut has wonderful vision and passing.
Hopefully he gets a few games in the league at 11.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 23, 2014, 11:30:27 PM
On hoganstand they seem to be saying mcnulty,Patrick Quinn,Kevin Campbell,Warnock and Cassidy have been cut. Surprised about Cassidy but he has missed a lot of footie with injuries so maybe is better out of the squad for now to concentrate on getting fit. He is a decent option from the bench.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on February 24, 2014, 12:21:14 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 24, 2014, 12:13:16 PM
I see that once again the teamtalk website has no report to make about our u21 team getting to the Ulster final, same last week, no comment either. Unfortunately we have become accustomed to this treatment from teamtalk, don't really know what the reason for this is, but it is something that has been noticed around the club for a while now. As far as I know they got a verbal volley after the semi final win over Errigal last season in the senior championship for the same reason. Surely if they can find time for the Ulster league (ie pre season friendlies), or some u16 girls league etc, they could at least make reference to the fact that we are in the Ulster final on their main page.

Is it as bad as the Irish News? Their report last week was shambolic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 24, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2014, 02:56:09 PM
I thought I was reading the club thread there for a while

No news on teamtalkmag either about the cut squad
I'd say it's a hard job and I'd say Shay Mcguigan is probably hoping the family name will give him a bit of scope. Niall McKenna will probably be sweating it out again
I wonder how ruthless Mickey will be with his older heads

Could Stevie or Justy have played his last game? Hardly think so.

:D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 24, 2014, 01:30:26 PM
How did the Tyrone u-21 team do at the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on February 24, 2014, 01:56:49 PM
hammered antrim in the final!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 24, 2014, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on February 24, 2014, 01:56:49 PM
hammered antrim in the final!

Good stuff.  Who all did they beat in the competition apart from the two Antrim games?  Any reports online from the final?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on February 24, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
Not much coverage of the U21's so far this year. Strabane Chronicle have an article on yesterdays win.

http://strabanechronicle.com/2014/02/tyrone-win-fourth-shamrock-cup/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 24, 2014, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: smort on February 24, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
Not much coverage of the U21's so far this year. Strabane Chronicle have an article on yesterdays win.

http://strabanechronicle.com/2014/02/tyrone-win-fourth-shamrock-cup/

Report in Irish News today as well - seem to be going well but got a tough draw in Ulster - the winners of Derry v Cavan will not be easy game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 24, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
Just after seeing the update on the Strabane Chronicle page.  Anybody know the team line-out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on February 24, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
heard 6 men dropped from panel with more to follow after national league. as far as i know this wasn't mickeys choice who wanted to keep enough men on for full inside games but county board who want to cut costs. Biggest surprise is cassidy in some respects as he dropped last year too before being called up after regaining fitness. warnock never got much game time during his year or two, was he injured? the other four were men all called up, gallagher, campbell, quinn and mcnulty. gallagher and mcnulty suffering from injuries as far as i know.

very competitive squad and will be interesting to see who if anybody mickey drops after national league, whether young men or old brigade. Still no word on gormely, penrose or oneill back in fold yet so interesting how long it takes them to get up to speed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BADONEY on February 25, 2014, 01:12:15 AM
10 euro admission for a virtual friendly game  in Cremartin, hard to gauge  how good this Tyrone team are , McCurry and McNulty  have to return, big squad will be cut i presume like senior team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 25, 2014, 08:41:28 AM
Is the wee fella Bradley from Cappagh not on the squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 25, 2014, 09:08:53 AM
https://www.facebook.com/tyronegaa/photos/a.130008553745600.34354.118218101591312/590801324332985/?type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

Team photo on above link

Ryan Devlin (Stewartstown) & Mark Bradley (Cappagh) don't look to have togged out. James McGahan (Cookstown) missing. Plus as mentioned previously McCurry & McNulty are missing

We've done well in the Cremartin / Shamrock cup this past few years & its been a false dawn so I wouldn't be getting too excited yet. But we have the bones of a decent team there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 25, 2014, 09:56:52 AM
Just looking at the odds for the Ulster U21 championship

Tyrone 5/2 Favourites
Cavan 11/4
Donegal 7/2
Armagh 9/2
Monaghan 13/2
Down 9/1
Derry 18/1
Antrim 20/1
Fermanagh 33/1

now I know this event is one you'd normally stay well clear of in the betting front , very unpredictable. But Derry at 18/1 really stand out. I thought they would be favourites with the panel they have? Again they have under achieved at minor but that didn't hold Cavan back in the last few years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on March 06, 2014, 09:22:10 AM
Has anyone seen odds for Tyrone minors to win Ulster?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on March 11, 2014, 07:58:58 PM
Seen it all now. Was up at Garvaghey earlier.  Mickey has had the two pitches closest to where the seniors train closed for tonight during senior training.  The minors have had to share a pitch with a club team as a result!
Crazy!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on March 11, 2014, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on March 11, 2014, 07:58:58 PM
Seen it all now. Was up at Garvaghey earlier.  Mickey has had the two pitches closest to where the seniors train closed for tonight during senior training.  The minors have had to share a pitch with a club team as a result!
Crazy!
That's a joke if that's true. Paparazzi in the hills??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on March 11, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
It's not that wild an idea to want a bit of privacy at training after the performance in the second half on Sunday. I'd say there was a few home truths dished out. Have never heard Harte sounding as annoyed after a defeat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on March 11, 2014, 09:21:17 PM
Oh it's true alright! Tyrone ladies shifted on to another pitch over it too.

I'd see through it if the seniors were using or going to use one of those other 2 pitches for something, but they didn't.

Think it's poor form to be shifting anyone, let alone county teams. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 11, 2014, 11:56:43 PM
Kerry train behind closed doors almost all of the time now.

Tyrone are entitled to do the same if they so wish. Before Garvaghey, a lot of Tyrone's training sessions were restricted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on March 12, 2014, 07:54:10 AM
Quote from: orangeman on March 11, 2014, 11:56:43 PM
Kerry train behind closed doors almost all of the time now.

Tyrone are entitled to do the same if they so wish. Before Garvaghey, a lot of Tyrone's training sessions were restricted.

I'd see through it maybe coming up to a championship game. 

But to do it to 2 other county teams?  Who then had to turn around and share pitches with 2 club teams?! While two pitches sat idle.  To me it's pretty ridiculous.  What harm were two teams who were going to be be training anyway going to do?
Surely that was the point of Garvaghey in the first place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 12, 2014, 09:38:18 AM
Surely if he looking somewhere private to train he could have used his home pitch! Not to many will see you up there!
Garvaghy, meh!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 12, 2014, 09:38:46 AM
Quote from: on the sideline on March 12, 2014, 07:54:10 AM
Quote from: orangeman on March 11, 2014, 11:56:43 PM
Kerry train behind closed doors almost all of the time now.

Tyrone are entitled to do the same if they so wish. Before Garvaghey, a lot of Tyrone's training sessions were restricted.

I'd see through it maybe coming up to a championship game. 

But to do it to 2 other county teams?  Who then had to turn around and share pitches with 2 club teams?! While two pitches sat idle.  To me it's pretty ridiculous.  What harm were two teams who were going to be be training anyway going to do?
Surely that was the point of Garvaghey in the first place.


The men's senior team whether we like it or not will always take priority. That's the way it is in most counties and indeed clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on March 15, 2014, 03:21:14 PM
I'm delighted to hear this! Frankly, ladies football is an abomination anyway and they should be thankful that they're allowed near Garvaghey for anything other that tay making and sandwich distribution. Let's be honest, if it wasn't for the improved catering and toilet cleaning rota at most of our clubs we wouldn't have them about the place. On a less controversial note, i'm glad that there is an air of seriousness and disappointment after last weeks performance. Let's hope there's a backlash tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 15, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: CD on March 15, 2014, 03:21:14 PM
I'm delighted to hear this! Frankly, ladies football is an abomination anyway and they should be thankful that they're allowed near Garvaghey for anything other that tay making and sandwich distribution. Let's be honest, if it wasn't for the improved catering and toilet cleaning rota at most of our clubs we wouldn't have them about the place. On a less controversial note, i'm glad that there is an air of seriousness and disappointment after last weeks performance. Let's hope there's a backlash tomorrow.

The 1970s just called there CD. They are expecting you back soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on March 15, 2014, 03:53:58 PM
Ok then,  coffee and paninis! I'm as modern as the next man!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 19, 2014, 08:32:30 AM
I like the look of the side Fergal Logan has named tonight. Nice balance of size & pace, particularly in that full forward line - Big Dan McNulty flanked by two sharpshooting speedsters.
Good to see Conor McKenna, still a minor this year involved from the start. He looked sensational in the MacRory cup with St Pats Armagh a couple of weeks ago
Very tall order tonight playing away against a Cavan side going for 4 in a row at this level, and with the benefit of a good win under their belt v Derry last week
But on paper at least Fergal Logan has certainly assembled a strong looking side. I felt earlier in the year our strengths lay in the forwards & wasn't so sure about the quality & quantity of our defensive options, and it seems Logan has converted a few half forwards to the defensive positions. It will be interesting I suppose to see how they fair out defensively but they will be comfortable on the ball.

Mark Mc Reynolds,
Brendan Burns,
Rory Brennan,
Ciaran Mc Laughlin,
Michael Mc Cann,
Johnathan Munroe,
Kieran Mc Geary,
Conall Mc Cann,
Declan Mc Clure,
Conor Mc Kenna,
Michael Cassidy,
Frank Burns,
Darren Mc Curry,
Dan Mc Nulty
Mark Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 19, 2014, 09:41:22 AM
Quote from: God14 on March 19, 2014, 08:32:30 AM
I like the look of the side Fergal Logan has named tonight. Nice balance of size & pace, particularly in that full forward line - Big Dan McNulty flanked by two sharpshooting speedsters.
Good to see Conor McKenna, still a minor this year involved from the start. He looked sensational in the MacRory cup with St Pats Armagh a couple of weeks ago
Very tall order tonight playing away against a Cavan side going for 4 in a row at this level, and with the benefit of a good win under their belt v Derry last week
But on paper at least Fergal Logan has certainly assembled a strong looking side. I felt earlier in the year our strengths lay in the forwards & wasn't so sure about the quality & quantity of our defensive options, and it seems Logan has converted a few half forwards to the defensive positions. It will be interesting I suppose to see how they fair out defensively but they will be comfortable on the ball.

Mark Mc Reynolds,
Brendan Burns,
Rory Brennan,
Ciaran Mc Laughlin,
Michael Mc Cann,
Johnathan Munroe,
Kieran Mc Geary,
Conall Mc Cann,
Declan Mc Clure,
Conor Mc Kenna,
Michael Cassidy,
Frank Burns,
Darren Mc Curry,
Dan Mc Nulty
Mark Bradley

Seriously talented team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 19, 2014, 02:10:35 PM
What clubs are they all from? Know the most of them, but sure about the clubs for some.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 19, 2014, 02:13:00 PM
Mark Mc Reynolds, Edendork
Brendan Burns, Pomeroy
Rory Brennan, Trillick
Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Omagh
Michael Mc Cann, Errigal Ciaran
Johnathan Munroe, Carrickmore
Kieran Mc Geary, Pomeroy
Conall Mc Cann, Killyclogher
Declan Mc Clure, Clonoe
Conor Mc Kenna, Eglish
Michael Cassidy, Ardboe
Frank Burns, Pomeroy
Darren Mc Curry, Edendork
Dan Mc Nulty Clonoe
Mark Bradley, Killyclogher
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 19, 2014, 05:26:51 PM
Questionable defence to say the least
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on March 19, 2014, 09:49:54 PM
Scrap the u21s pure waste of time, training since October? Managed 6points whole game. Brutal. Be safer gathering a few lads upon the day of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 19, 2014, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: matchfit21 on March 19, 2014, 09:49:54 PMScrap the u21s pure waste of time, training since October? Managed 6points whole game. Brutal. Be safer gathering a few lads upon the day of the
game.

Any game reports??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on March 19, 2014, 10:25:31 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=212247
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 19, 2014, 10:53:27 PM
Serious questions need to be asked at u-21...training since October for six meagre points. Something badly wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 19, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
Peter Donnelly in charge of that cavan team, serious slip up there not having him in some role within the county at some level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 19, 2014, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 19, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
Peter Donnelly in charge of that cavan team, serious slip up there not having him in some role within the county at some level.

Donnelly is not, the manager is Peter Reilly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on March 19, 2014, 11:29:58 PM
Donnelly is the coach, like he was last year,. He has done excellent work with Cavan since he came in 08. But i dont think the whole change in fortune in Cavan under age has been all down to him. Nicholas Walsh did great work with the Development Squads and schools prior to that, before he went to Australia and work with in the AFL.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on March 20, 2014, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2014, 10:53:27 PM
Serious questions need to be asked at u-21...training since October for six meagre points. Something badly wrong.

Only started training in late November!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on March 20, 2014, 08:25:30 AM
The gulf in class between the two teams  needs to be addressed quickly.even the established  senior player had no impact whatsoever.Peter Donnelly has done great work with Cavan and I don't understand why Tyrone let this man away to another county.The men along the line last night were dealt a harsh lesson in getting a team to perform.I am a great believer in the fact that a team must have strength and power...... Cavan had a walkover in this aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 20, 2014, 08:32:21 AM
Serious questions need to be asked as to what we're doing wrong at u21 level. We have badly under achieved in the last 7 or 8 years but the last 2 years have been complete horror shows. I always be reluctant to be overly critical of our teams but the performances over the last 2 years have been a disgrace to the county jersey.

Lat night there was a lack of work rate, poor quality and bunch of players who looked liked they'd never played together. On top of that the tactics to me were crazy. In the first half we had a gail force wind behind us but set back with extra men in defence. We allowed Cavan to take short kickouts and walk the ball right up to pitch (taking as much time as possible) and only challenged them when they got inside our 50 using up loads of time. The management only realised 20-25 minutes in that if we pushed up on the kickouts they couldn't kick the ball anywhere due to the strength of the wind. Even if Cavan won the kickouts the build up was always going to be slow against the wind allowing us to get back. By half time at 3 3 the game was over. In the 2nd half we kept 4 men up front at all times when we were against the wind. Hard to work out what the plan was.

The only positive at all for me was Bradley looks to have filled out a bit and was one of the few players that showed a bit of class and urgency. The forwards were living off scraps but in the limited ball that did go up he showed more than McCurry. McNulty seemed to lack a bit of mobility at full forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 20, 2014, 09:13:41 AM
How significant a role has Donnelly had in the Cavan u-21 success story?  If he is one of the huge reasons behind it, surely he should be offered some role within his native countys underage set-up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on March 20, 2014, 10:29:02 PM
Anyone ever looked at some of coaches working with development squads through tyrone underage set up? Definitely a few questionable 'experts'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BADONEY on March 21, 2014, 01:27:09 AM
Six players on the Tyrone U21 selection will play intermediate football within Tyrone in 2014 , hard to see muct talent emerging from division 2in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on March 21, 2014, 08:36:04 AM
I seen enough in breffini on Wednesday night to agree with you..........cunty chairman warming and trying to motivate subs till he was put in the dugout! ENOUGH  SAID
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on March 21, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
Quote from: BADONEY on March 21, 2014, 01:27:09 AM
Six players on the Tyrone U21 selection will play intermediate football within Tyrone in 2014 , hard to see muct talent emerging from division 2in Tyrone.

Nonsense. Stephen O Neill is playing Div 3 this year. Does that make him a bad footballer?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on March 21, 2014, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on March 21, 2014, 08:36:04 AM
I seen enough in breffini on Wednesday night to agree with you..........cunty chairman warming and trying to motivate subs till he was put in the dugout! ENOUGH  SAID

  All hands to the pump. What's wrong with that? He as been involved with the U21s this year. Knows a bit or 3 about football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on March 22, 2014, 12:02:10 PM
Gaffer who knows a bit or 3 about football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 23, 2014, 02:57:01 AM
i'll answer that, Ciaran Mc Laughlan knows a bit about football. Was a good player himself and coached clan na gael in senior at a time. but I'm sure hugh with your extensive talent and knowledge anything the cOunty chairman has done would be pretty poor when compared to your intimidating loughshore accomplishments
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 24, 2014, 12:43:03 PM
Asking a question, Tyrone senior panel don't talk to RTE, or is the senior management? Can someone tell me reason why? Not a bland version of events, but detail please. PM me if it suits better. Regards
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 24, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 24, 2014, 04:56:44 PM
Was there not also an issue with some commentator being sacked as well that MH supported?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on March 24, 2014, 05:26:17 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on March 24, 2014, 04:56:44 PM
Was there not also an issue with some commentator being sacked as well that MH supported?

Yes Mickey and a number of other managers voiced their support in relation to  Brian Carthy.

But it was what omagh_gael describes was the real issue and no apology was ever forthcoming from rte.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 24, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 24, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.

Still don't get why he would be upset about that? Was it something derogatory in the sketch towards Michaela? Was it after her untimely passing ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on March 24, 2014, 10:34:47 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 24, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 24, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.

Still don't get why he would be upset about that? Was it something derogatory in the sketch towards Michaela? Was it after her untimely passing ?

Yes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on March 25, 2014, 12:34:16 AM
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.

I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 04:46:15 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 24, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 24, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.

Still don't get why he would be upset about that? Was it something derogatory in the sketch towards Michaela? Was it after her untimely passing ?

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 25, 2014, 08:49:03 AM
Quote from: trileacman on March 25, 2014, 12:34:16 AM
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.

I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.

Spot on. That's it in a nutshell.

After Joe Brollys OTT attack on Sean Cavanagh last July however, I felt that we needed someone to speak to RTE. Joe had 'free digs' if you like to mouth off all he likes knowing there will be no reply & hence not held to account.
Maybe going forward its time for Tyrone to appoint an individual to offer an after match interview. Ciaran McLaughlin would be a good choice IMHO. Very close to whats happening in the squad & with the management team, but in essence not actually a part of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on March 25, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: God14 on March 25, 2014, 08:49:03 AM
Quote from: trileacman on March 25, 2014, 12:34:16 AM
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.

I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.

Spot on. That's it in a nutshell.

After Joe Brollys OTT attack on Sean Cavanagh last July however, I felt that we needed someone to speak to RTE. Joe had 'free digs' if you like to mouth off all he likes knowing there will be no reply & hence not held to account.
Maybe going forward its time for Tyrone to appoint an individual to offer an after match interview. Ciaran McLaughlin would be a good choice IMHO. Very close to whats happening in the squad & with the management team, but in essence not actually a part of it.

A reply is exactly what Brolly was fishing for. F%*K him and RTE. Do the talking on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 25, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: God14 on March 25, 2014, 08:49:03 AM
Quote from: trileacman on March 25, 2014, 12:34:16 AM
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.

I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.

Spot on. That's it in a nutshell.

After Joe Brollys OTT attack on Sean Cavanagh last July however, I felt that we needed someone to speak to RTE. Joe had 'free digs' if you like to mouth off all he likes knowing there will be no reply & hence not held to account.
Maybe going forward its time for Tyrone to appoint an individual to offer an after match interview. Ciaran McLaughlin would be a good choice IMHO. Very close to whats happening in the squad & with the management team, but in essence not actually a part of it.

A reply is exactly what Brolly was fishing for. F%*K him and RTE. Do the talking on the pitch.

Exactly, If RTE want to go down the road of tabloid analysis of games to get maximum exposure for their attention craving analysts then I'm glad Tyrone are having no part of it. RTE would have loved a live interview with Sean after the Monaghan game to further boost their ratings and fan the flames that Brolly ignited, but quite rightly Sean gave that interview to Newstalk. There's plenty of other media outlets to use if we want to get the point across and until RTE start to take responsibility for what they say and do (The Micheala thing was an absolute disgrace) and begin to report matches in a professional way, then I say leave them to it. The sooner Sky get to cover the games the better and they will most likely show RTE up to be the amateurish organisation that they are.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ardtole on March 25, 2014, 10:03:27 AM
It was a dreadful piece of radio on a par with the worst of the tabloid press in the UK. Appalling and cruel, Mickey Harte is well within his rights to boycott RTE over it and if I was a member of the tyrone panel I would do the same. It was a cheap publicity stunt on the Murrays behalf and I personally wouldnt listen to his show since that particular episode. I think Rte may have apologised for offence caused to the Hartes but as far as I know Murray hasnt although I am open to correction on this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 25, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Do you think RTE really give a toss whether Sean Cavanagh speaks to Newstalk or to RTE after a match ?

RTE have the whip hand at the minute and their ratings don't go down or up whether or not Sean Cavanagh or Tyrone speak to them or not. RTE are smart enough to realise that people will watch the match and then wait for Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke to provide the real entertainment as they and others see it. ITV have realised that Roy Keane will get people to tune in to their station.

There's no need for proper analysis - the more controversy the better. Brolly is the undisputed king of winding merchants and controversy/ entertainment.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: orangeman on March 25, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Do you think RTE really give a toss whether Sean Cavanagh speaks to Newstalk or to RTE after a match ?

RTE have the whip hand at the minute and their ratings don't go down or up whether or not Sean Cavanagh or Tyrone speak to them or not. RTE are smart enough to realise that people will watch the match and then wait for Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke to provide the real entertainment as they and others see it. ITV have realised that Roy Keane will get people to tune in to their station.

There's no need for proper analysis - the more controversy the better. Brolly is the undisputed king of winding merchants and controversy/ entertainment.

Absolutely! Do you really think the RTE bosses wouldnt have wanted to show Sean's reaction live on air? Great TV for those after entertainment. Your further points just give further reasons why RTE would have "loved it" - perhaps expecting a Kevin Keegan moment!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 25, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: orangeman on March 25, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Do you think RTE really give a toss whether Sean Cavanagh speaks to Newstalk or to RTE after a match ?

RTE have the whip hand at the minute and their ratings don't go down or up whether or not Sean Cavanagh or Tyrone speak to them or not. RTE are smart enough to realise that people will watch the match and then wait for Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke to provide the real entertainment as they and others see it. ITV have realised that Roy Keane will get people to tune in to their station.

There's no need for proper analysis - the more controversy the better. Brolly is the undisputed king of winding merchants and controversy/ entertainment.

Absolutely! Do you really think the RTE bosses wouldnt have wanted to show Sean's reaction live on air? Great TV for those after entertainment. Your further points just give further reasons why RTE would have "loved it" - perhaps expecting a Kevin Keegan moment!  ;)

The only problem in not talking to then is that RTE can take as many free digs at Tyrone as they like. Looking back at last year, I thought that all the talk about cynical fouling that was being blamed it seemed almost exclusively on Tyrone, caught up with them with referees believing the hype and punishing them rightly or wrongly as a result of the anti Tyrone propaganda being spouted by Joe and RTE. Left unchallenged, this can only be a negative. Ferguson didn't talk to BBC for a long while but he sent a spokesperson to do so. I'm not advocating that as RTE behaved in a disgraceful manner in relation to the John Murray show and we have to respect how Mickey Harte felt then and still does.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 25, 2014, 11:45:39 AM
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 25, 2014, 12:11:08 PM
Eamon Sweenys take on it
Quote
Tyrone stance has decency on its side
EAMONN SWEENEY – UPDATED 05 MAY 2013 04:06 AM

I'm glad to see that Tyrone footballers will be boycotting RTE coverage for the third championship summer in a row. Not because I've anything against the RTE sports department but because it's good to see people sticking by their principles.

We're talking about respect. Back in August 2011, only a few months after Tyrone manager Mickey Harte's daughter had been murdered in Mauritius, RTE's John Murray Show broadcast a sketch which lampooned Harte as a kind of idiot for going to see the Dalai Lama and included the song, 'Pretty Little Girl From Omagh In The County Of Tyrone'.

It was horrible stuff. But the worst thing about it was the ignoble motivation behind the skit. Harte was, at the time, one of a number of inter-county managers who had criticised RTE management for not promoting GAA correspondent Brian Carthy.

So the sketch smacked of sycophants having a go at Harte in order to ingratiate themselves with their bosses.

Or, worse again, of Mickey Harte being taught a lesson about what happened to people who dared cross the national broadcaster. Gotcha Mickey.

It took RTE three days before they decided to furnish an apology, an apology which you'd have to say didn't exactly reek of wholeheartedness

Actually, it's unbelievable stuff. A group of people decided to take the piss out of a Tyrone man whose daughter had been murdered by playing a song about a girl from Tyrone.

Think about it. Murray continues to purvey his brand of wacky fun on RTE Radio. Meanwhile, Mickey Harte and his family have had to get on with their lives.

So it's strange to see the Tyrone boycott being portrayed as something surprising or even unreasonable. In reality, the team and the county can do nothing else. Respect for Mickey Harte and the memory of Michaela McAreavey leaves them no choice.

The RTE boycott, far from being an infringement of press freedom, is actually a tribute to the integrity and spirit of the Tyrone footballers which says a lot about the kind of people they are.

There are more important things in life than a few post-match interviews.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on March 25, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on March 25, 2014, 11:45:39 AM
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.

RTE would be shitting themselves and tripping over each other trying to apologise.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 25, 2014, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 25, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on March 25, 2014, 11:45:39 AM
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.

RTE would be shitting themselves and tripping over each other trying to apologise.



Be a while before you have to worry about that!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 25, 2014, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 25, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on March 25, 2014, 11:45:39 AM
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.

RTE would be shitting themselves and tripping over each other trying to apologise.



Be a while before you have to worry about that!

I don't think too many of us will be worrying about what RTE will do!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 25, 2014, 09:44:12 PM
Thanks lads, that has helped me understand the situation, can't say that I disagree with Harte's stance on it  if that's the case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 28, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
It's all too easy to just say we don't care what RTE do or say and to take the siege mentality approach but to me you're burying your head in the sand if you can't see that RTE Sport do have a lot of influence over the country's perceptions.

Sure didn't I tell you what my young lad's 6 year old mates were saying to me about Tyrone being a bunch of cheats and dirty cynical players. When I asked why they said they always drag you down when going in for goals. Yes of course this is just young kids being told what to think but it does influence what people think and of course in turn influences opposing fans and then referees.
Tyrone's lack of response to those accusations might not have helped their tactics whereas Dublin's perceived clean cut image meant they had a clean slate to perform cynical tackles in the AI final that Tyrone would not have got away with.

The other attitude of course is "ahh yer just a bunch of Tyrmoanies and yis all have a chip on yer shoulder". I dunno maybe some do play that card but with Brolly's very vociferous opinions last year, it is interesting how this year he is praising Mickey Harte for playing attractive open football which his U12's will really appreciate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on April 07, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
So Tyrone played 5 games in McKenna Cup, 7 in league and the county panel have had 4/5 months of uninterupted time together but could anyone even come close to naming the team that will start against Down? I was trying to have a go but got stuck after Morgan!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 07, 2014, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: The Trap on April 07, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
So Tyrone played 5 games in McKenna Cup, 7 in league and the county panel have had 4/5 months of uninterupted time together but could anyone even come close to naming the team that will start against Down? I was trying to have a go but got stuck after Morgan!!!!!!!

Unfortunately that is true. The problem is that we have too many players on the same level, particularly in defence. Take the corner back slots, there isn't much difference between McRory, Tierney, Quinn, McKenna. Harte has given them all a chance to nail the jersey & none of them have. Their simply isn't enough stardust in the squad.

My 15 would be
1 N Morgan
2 R McNamee
3 C Clarke
4 AN other - any of the 4 mentioned above
5 D McBride
6 C Gormley
7 P Harte
8 Colm Cavanagh
9 One of the McMahon bros if fit
10 Martin Penrose
11 Ronan O'Neill
12 Mathew Donnelly
13 Kyle Coney
14 Sean Cavanagh
15 Darren McCurry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on April 07, 2014, 04:22:53 PM
mattie donnelly should stay at no6
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on April 07, 2014, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: God14 on April 07, 2014, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: The Trap on April 07, 2014, 03:01:40 PM
So Tyrone played 5 games in McKenna Cup, 7 in league and the county panel have had 4/5 months of uninterupted time together but could anyone even come close to naming the team that will start against Down? I was trying to have a go but got stuck after Morgan!!!!!!!

Unfortunately that is true. The problem is that we have too many players on the same level, particularly in defence. Take the corner back slots, there isn't much difference between McRory, Tierney, Quinn, McKenna. Harte has given them all a chance to nail the jersey & none of them have. Their simply isn't enough stardust in the squad.

My 15 would be
1 N Morgan
2 R McNamee
3 C Clarke
4 AN other - any of the 4 mentioned above
5 D McBride
6 C Gormley
7 P Harte
8 Colm Cavanagh
9 One of the McMahon bros if fit
10 Martin Penrose
11 Ronan O'Neill
12 Mathew Donnelly
13 Kyle Coney
14 Sean Cavanagh
15 Darren McCurry

Admittedly i havent seen a lot of McBride but from the few games i have seen i wouldn't have him even close to the starting 15. Donnelly for me at 5 and Gormley holding at 6. Mark Donnelly 12, PJ Quinn 4, and McAliskey for Coney.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 07, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
My own team would be as follows:
Morgan
Mcnamee
Mcbride
Pj Quinn (McKenna if not fit)
Mcnabb (Mcginley if not fit)
Gormley
Harte
Colm c
Joe McMahon (defensive role, Clark if not fit)
Penrose
Mattie d (playing deep)
Mark d
Mccurry
Sean c
Ronan oneill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on April 07, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
All senior and reserve players to wear gumshields in league and champ starting this weekend?cumpolsary? As if the refs haven't enough to worry about
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on May 19, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
How is there not a place on that team for Ronan O'Neill?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 20, 2014, 02:30:58 PM
How many players are officially on the Tyrone panel this year? 35?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on April 07, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
All senior and reserve players to wear gumshields in league and champ starting this weekend?cumpolsary? As if the refs haven't enough to worry about

Has that not been in since the start of the year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 21, 2014, 08:08:58 AM
I see on the other Down V Tyrone thread posters talking about how MH should have players that are the man markers in their clubs in the county set up? Who are we talking about here? Does any of Errigal's returned players have the potential to do this?
Who would Clonoe's man marker be?

Seen some Kildress lad mentioned but to be honest I've never really seen him- didn't he get a run out in McKenna cup last year?

Frank Burns looked to have great potential in last years AI minor final.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on May 21, 2014, 09:34:51 AM
I never seen young Burns pick up a man last year at all, he played as a sweeper in front of the full back line, you could hardly describe him as a man marker. Would McCrory from Errigal not be a man marker?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on May 21, 2014, 09:52:15 AM
McCrory marked Poland out of the game on Sunday. Would Dwayne Quinn from Clonoe be an option for the corner back spot?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 21, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: smort on May 21, 2014, 09:52:15 AM
McCrory marked Poland out of the game on Sunday. Would Dwayne Quinn from Clonoe be an option for the corner back spot?

Mcrory was excellent on sunday, but i would probably rate both Rio Quinn & DD mcdermott of errigal ahead of him!
dwayne quinn looks a good player, but the alst thing we need is another clonoe man siting on the bench  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 21, 2014, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on May 21, 2014, 09:34:51 AM
I never seen young Burns pick up a man last year at all, he played as a sweeper in front of the full back line, you could hardly describe him as a man marker. Would McCrory from Errigal not be a man marker?

Never actually meant for Burns to be a man marker but was just thinking of other lads that could come into the system. He is actually a point scorer for his club.

Burns, Rory Breenan, Dwayne Quinn, Marty Swift all players that will probably be looked at in the early stages of next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 21, 2014, 06:11:50 PM
I would like tyrone to line out as follows for saturdays game:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Aidan McCrory
3. Justin McMahon (depending on fitness)/Danny McBride
4. Ronan McNammee
5. Conor Clarke
6. Conor Gormley/Joe McMahon/ Ronan McNabb (Man to just hold the middle at 6 and not leave the defence exposed)
7. Peter Harte
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Conan Grugan
10. Mark Donnelly
11. Sean Cavanagh
12. Mattie Donnelly
13. Darren McCurry
14. Kyle Coney
15. Ronan O'Neill (dropping a bit deeper than mccurry and coney and acting as a playmaker, just like the league game against Mayo)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
What's the story with Ronan ONeill? Not in Mickey's plans?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on May 21, 2014, 07:28:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
What's the story with Ronan ONeill? Not in Mickey's plans?

A wee disagreement at training before last week. I hope it is resolved and see him starting Sat night. Great talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on May 21, 2014, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
What's the story with Ronan ONeill? Not in Mickey's plans?

Best player in Sigerson semi and final I went to watch. Always catches the eye for me. Was excellent in the Mayo league game when the Tyrone forwards seemed to catch light and his passing was key to that. I'd have him starting every time but there seems to be an issue. I'd assumed it was injury related but there must be something else going on there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 27, 2014, 10:48:15 AM
Great to see MH name a panel of 26 on Sat night. Subs weren't in his usual alphabetical order.
Still put on Gormley wearing number 30 though  :o another fine for Tyrone. Keep raising that money for the county team lads going to great use here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 27, 2014, 11:47:40 AM
I'm pretty sure they were in reverse alphabetical order for a we change.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 09, 2014, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 21, 2014, 08:08:58 AM
I see on the other Down V Tyrone thread posters talking about how MH should have players that are the man markers in their clubs in the county set up? Who are we talking about here? Does any of Errigal's returned players have the potential to do this?
Who would Clonoe's man marker be?

Seen some Kildress lad mentioned but to be honest I've never really seen him- didn't he get a run out in McKenna cup last year?

Frank Burns looked to have great potential in last years AI minor final.

Just seeing this. Your talking about Dean McNally. He got a run out in McKenna cup last year and played a couple of decent games but Harte dropped him off national league panel (only person) to take Cassidy back in.

He played on Jordanstown sigerson team this year and was one of there best performers after missing majority of last year with v. bad knee injury. Brilliant at club level and would love to see him get another chance at county football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on June 15, 2014, 08:38:27 PM
Poor performance today and hartes frustrations speaks volumes - masking frustration with his own team. For all the supposed S&C training these lads are meant to be doing, it ain't showing, unforced errors, poor attacking play and this notion of a strong squad is just that a notion, carrying 4 to 5 passengers and living of the reputation of previous successful teams, long way off the mark at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 15, 2014, 09:26:05 PM
PJ Lavery - never gets a kick all through the National League.. not a single game.
then we throw him into the last ten mins of our most important game of the season. I am not knocking him as I think he is a good player, but surely he should have got a few league games to find his feet.

Others who played through the league like Shea McGuigan get no game time at all.

You really have to scratch your head at some of the things going on regarding Tyrone at minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on June 15, 2014, 09:43:02 PM
Why did mc aliskey not take the last free..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 15, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 15, 2014, 09:43:02 PM
Why did mc aliskey not take the last free..
Thought he showed his worth today.
Maybe McCrory or McNamee have his number in the in house games. Just my guess, and if so it would show a weakness in the selection policy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 16, 2014, 12:07:02 PM
Can anybody answer this question. When was the last good game Martin Penrose played for Tyrone? all he ever seems to do is commit fouls and run down blind alleys with his head down. Absolute joke that man is starting before Mc Aliskey, Coney, McGuigan, McKenna, lavery, McNeice etc, beyond belief that the Tyrone management cant see how poor he is. Stephen O'Neill should have  retired when he was still a decent player like some of his other team mates from the All ireland winning teams. He is clearly done at this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on June 16, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 15, 2014, 09:26:05 PM
PJ Lavery - never gets a kick all through the National League.. not a single game.
then we throw him into the last ten mins of our most important game of the season. I am not knocking him as I think he is a good player, but surely he should have got a few league games to find his feet.

Others who played through the league like Shea McGuigan get no game time at all.

You really have to scratch your head at some of the things going on regarding Tyrone at minute.

Agree. Its hard to believe this is the same manager. The strangest move of the year for me was leaving young rookie Barry Tierney on James O'Donoghue for so long down in Kerry. He got the mother of all roasting's on live TV. Harte drops him for the rest of the league yet rolls him when the serious stuff begins in (v Down the first day)
Team Selection, Tactics, Development of players - a lot to be desired.
 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 19, 2014, 01:37:48 PM
Please could someone (the Tyrone management) tell Sean Cavanagh to stay away from the media for a while.......he is quoted every day about one thing or another and culminated in him and Dick Clerkin having a love in on Sunday! Now which team did that suit better???? How about saying nothing for the next couple of months and concentrating on playing a bit of ball. The media attention has also adversely affected Niall Morgan. He could do with keeping his head down and doing the basics well.....then in a couple of years he might be the keeper he is capable of becoming!!
All aspects of the media is something that i dont think the present management are handling too well!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 02:09:29 PM
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 19, 2014, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 02:09:29 PM
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.

Tell us this Santa what way do you think Hunky Dorys view the self imposed RTE media ban. Do you think they are getting value for money ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on June 19, 2014, 02:35:33 PM
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 19, 2014, 02:42:38 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 19, 2014, 02:35:33 PM
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.

Until that happens Tyrone will be the National Villans. Hunky Dorys can not be happy with that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 19, 2014, 03:37:27 PM
Dear Redhand Santa, this is my wish list for the Tyrone management team. Please feel free to tell me if you think they are doing any of these to an acceptable level:
1. Develop a system of play that suits the current squad
2. Improve the young talent in the squad that should be as good or better than any in the country given their record at underage level
3. Oversee a strength & conditioning program that will enable these players to meet the demands of the modern game
4. Motivate the team on match days to be at least as committed as the opposition in going for 50/50 ball
5. Unite the county behind the team
6. Manage media commitments of players to ensure that over exposure does not hinder performance
7. Enhance the reputation of the county
8. Have a succession plan in place for whenever it is time for the next management to take over

I know that there are great people in the present set up, management and players, but for one reason or another they are no longer doing their job well, or at least the parts outlined above...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on June 19, 2014, 04:39:29 PM
Quote from: The Trap on June 19, 2014, 03:37:27 PM
Dear Redhand Santa, this is my wish list for the Tyrone management team. Please feel free to tell me if you think they are doing any of these to an acceptable level:
1. Develop a system of play that suits the current squad
2. Improve the young talent in the squad that should be as good or better than any in the country given their record at underage level
3. Oversee a strength & conditioning program that will enable these players to meet the demands of the modern game4. Motivate the team on match days to be at least as committed as the opposition in going for 50/50 ball
5. Unite the county behind the team
6. Manage media commitments of players to ensure that over exposure does not hinder performance
7. Enhance the reputation of the county
8. Have a succession plan in place for whenever it is time for the next management to take over

I know that there are great people in the present set up, management and players, but for one reason or another they are no longer doing their job well, or at least the parts outlined above...........

I understand that some of the team due not use the programme set out by the current S&C coach, but use a former Tyrone player to assist in their strength and conditioning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on June 19, 2014, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 19, 2014, 02:35:33 PM
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.

Hopefully that'll not be too far away EC.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on June 19, 2014, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: God14 on June 19, 2014, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 19, 2014, 02:35:33 PM
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.

Hopefully that'll not be too far away EC.

I'm edging towards that idea myself. Fresh ideas and different approach required. I fear it may be some time before it happens though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on June 19, 2014, 09:40:07 PM
Dont see how tyrone can cry the victim and moan about not getting enough injury time when they insist on the facade  bringing their furthest most player up to kick even simple frees any forward could despatch. How much time is wasted in normal time with this silly carry on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on June 19, 2014, 10:33:08 PM
I don't see too many people in this thread moaning about injury time. Most of the talk is around team management/ selection and player performance. Monaghan deserved to win on Sunday, with or without the right amount of injury time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 11:06:50 PM
Quote from: The Trap on June 19, 2014, 03:37:27 PM
Dear Redhand Santa, this is my wish list for the Tyrone management team. Please feel free to tell me if you think they are doing any of these to an acceptable level:
1. Develop a system of play that suits the current squad
2. Improve the young talent in the squad that should be as good or better than any in the country given their record at underage level
3. Oversee a strength & conditioning program that will enable these players to meet the demands of the modern game
4. Motivate the team on match days to be at least as committed as the opposition in going for 50/50 ball
5. Unite the county behind the team
6. Manage media commitments of players to ensure that over exposure does not hinder performance
7. Enhance the reputation of the county
8. Have a succession plan in place for whenever it is time for the next management to take over

I know that there are great people in the present set up, management and players, but for one reason or another they are no longer doing their job well, or at least the parts outlined above...........

There is plenty of points in there that I agree with. My issue is I feel people lose perspective and too much blame is being put on Harte's head. Barring one or two counties in Ireland everyone has cycles of doing well and then periods where they don't do well. Look at the likes of Down, Meath and Galway who have won multiple All Irelands over the decades. Even consider our own county. We had a good spell from 84 to 89 winning 3 ulster titles. Then lost in the first round 4 years in a row. Before having a few good years from 94 to 96. Then were poor enough at senior level up to 03 albeit picking up an ulster title in 01. Then a great run from 2003 to 2010.

In the poor years managers were changed but it didn't make a difference, we weren't good enough. Just like changes of managers haven't made a huge difference in Armagh, Down, Meath and Galway. People can point to Harte's tactics but perhaps part of it is the fact that we don't have the players to play another way. We don't have dominant midfielders or top class target men or top class defenders. All these problems are being put at Harte's door whereas in reality there is many factors in having good players at any one time in a county and one of them is luck.

The players have to take a degree of responsibility too. Many of our top young players haven't shown the fight or guts at the top level. People can point to them being top minors but anyone who has gone to watch the u21's in the last 7 or 8 years will know that the exact same deficiency was shown their when Harte wasn't involved. I was lead to believe he had asked to take the u21's in recent years and maybe it wouldn't have been a bad idea.

It could be argued that he has did a good job to keep us as a top 8 team consistently getting to the quarter finals through a bad spell and perhaps we would be much further away with someone else in charge. The other counties I previously mentioned would love to have had our record in recent years and have learned that a change in manager doesn't always mean a change in fortune. When our lean spell is over and the players come together at the right time I'm not sure there is a better manager in the county to deliver. Maybe a year or 2 break would help it though.

Just to clarify too I'm not saying everything Harte has done is right and I was very fustrated with Sunday's performance as I really felt the team could progress from last year with an ulster title this year but I don't think Harte should take all the blame that is being given. I also think he has earned the right to see out the championship and be judged at the end of the campaign and not before the team get knocked out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on June 19, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
Agreed. I was only making an observation on the excuses given by management in the immediate aftermath of the game. Time for a change undoubtedly. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 11:15:46 PM
Harte has a few keys areas that he needs to address ahead of and during the qualifiers. If he is brave and makes the right calls and changes tactics a bit I think there could still be a decent run. We're playing too many short balls because we're scared of not being able to win ball in the middle but it's too slow and easy to defend against. If you watch Tyrone's games we're not being out caught in midfield - the issue is boys not fighting hard enough for the dirty ball. With that in mind the 2 half forward positions have to be looked at. We also need a play maker at 11. There was 3 players on the team last Sunday who looked to be too nice at this stage for county football.

We also need to offer more of threat in the full forward line. Mattie Donnelly is the obvious solution though he's also the best player coming from deep. I think maybe we're going to have to take a chance and throw him to full forward. The likes of Tierney could be an option at half back - he has struggled in the corner but gets stuck in and will offer a lot of running. Peter Harte is been too loose at times throughout the year and a game starting on the bench might not do any harm. I'd go with a team like this the next day:
Morgan
McRory
Justy
McNamee
Tierney
Gormley
PJ Lavery
Cavanagh
Cavanagh
Joe Mc (fit to tog out last week and needs games)
Coney
McNabb (was effective here at winning ball a few years ago)
McCurry
Mattie D
McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on June 20, 2014, 12:09:06 AM
Mattie Donnelly's been one of the few bright sparks for Tyrone this year at centre half back, I'd be loathed to move him. If I was to move him then it would be to midfield.

For me the obvious move is Sean to full forward. He's won player of the year there after all. He mightn't like it but he's the best option we've got there at the minute. He's the one player who would put the fear of God into opposing defences.

Peter Harte's another problem. He's one of the best players we've got but he plays his best football in attack. He's not a great defender in the truest sense of the word. I think 12 might be his position for now.

With Conor Clarke out though there's a big gap at midfield. Could use Joe there but he certainly won't be match fit for a while
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 20, 2014, 12:10:54 AM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/1906140929-no-regrets-from-cavanagh-over-late-free/

In this article today Sean mentions Joe as being aj option during the qualifiers, he mustn't be too far off making a return.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on June 20, 2014, 12:22:05 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 02:09:29 PM
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.
I agree but there is a  take on it that is different. Some people now think brolly is a puppet for someone higher up in rte.. how dare mic key harte stand up to the national broadcaster. There is a concerted effort on to destabilise Tyrone football a bias by Rte and it's henchmen round the table. I think it's time to support mic key not row in with Rte and the joes of this world.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 20, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on June 20, 2014, 09:30:15 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 20, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.

The best way to address the RTE bias, is to do the talking on the pitch. Winning matches. Putting it up to the top teams. At the moment we arnt doing that, & that's what needs addressed
The talent is there in the county, I am sure of it, but the present management have too many favourites, & are too set in their ways to carry out the shake up that's required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 20, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.

Ignoring the problem with RTE won't make it go away. If Mickey won't talk to RTE for personel reasons thats all fine and well and understandable but this should not be allowed to have such a negative effect on the image of Tyrone. Tony Donnelly and the players should be encouraged to represent the County on the National broadcaster. The fact that the county board have not dealt with this issue shows a weakness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 20, 2014, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 20, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.

Ignoring the problem with RTE won't make it go away. If Mickey won't talk to RTE for personel reasons thats all fine and well and understandable but this should not be allowed to have such a negative effect on the image of Tyrone. Tony Donnelly and the players should be encouraged to represent the County on the National broadcaster. The fact that the county board have not dealt with this issue shows a weakness.

Would that not undermine the Manager?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 20, 2014, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 20, 2014, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 20, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.

Ignoring the problem with RTE won't make it go away. If Mickey won't talk to RTE for personel reasons thats all fine and well and understandable but this should not be allowed to have such a negative effect on the image of Tyrone. Tony Donnelly and the players should be encouraged to represent the County on the National broadcaster. The fact that the county board have not dealt with this issue shows a weakness.

Would that not undermine the Manager?

Not if Mickey asks Horse Devlin or Tony Donnelly to do it!
When Alex Ferguson fell out with BBC - did Mike Phelan giving interviews to BBC undermine Ferguson?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: east down gael on June 20, 2014, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 20, 2014, 12:22:05 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 02:09:29 PM
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.
I agree but there is a  take on it that is different. Some people now think brolly is a puppet for someone higher up in rte.. how dare mic key harte stand up to the national broadcaster. There is a concerted effort on to destabilise Tyrone football a bias by Rte and it's henchmen round the table. I think it's time to support mic key not row in with Rte and the joes of this world.   

Is this a spoof?someone high up in rte using joe as a rogue agent to destabilise Tyrone football?that sounds like something jim corr would come out with.there is no bias,a few former footballers were analysing a match in which Tyrone were playing,and gave their views on the main talking points of the game.views which we're shared by nearly everybody watching except Tyrone folk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 20, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: blackball on June 20, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.

Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision  making of the current management set up in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 20, 2014, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: blackball on June 20, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.

Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision  making of the current management set up in Tyrone.


Sounds like you have been watching a lot of dragons den repeats on Dave recently!lol This is a football forum not a business forum. Where Hunky Dorys put their advertising and sponsorship money is their business. They knew there was an RTE boycott before they made the decison to sponsor Tyrone GAA and if they arent happy they can pull out at the end of the contract. Not doing RTE inerviews had nothing to do with Tyrone getting beat by Monaghan. It was a mix of team selection, tactics and individual player performance, thats were every game is won and lost.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 01:45:47 PM
Quote from: blackball on June 20, 2014, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: blackball on June 20, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.

Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision  making of the current management set up in Tyrone.


Sounds like you have been watching a lot of dragons den repeats on Dave recently!lol This is a football forum not a business forum. Where Hunky Dorys put their advertising and sponsorship money is their business. They knew there was an RTE boycott before they made the decison to sponsor Tyrone GAA and if they arent happy they can pull out at the end of the contract. Not doing RTE inerviews had nothing to do with Tyrone getting beat by Monaghan. It was a mix of team selection, tactics and individual player performance, thats were every game is won and lost.

My mistake there's me thinking its a forum to discuss all issues which effect gaelic games. I am well aware that the RTE issue had no impact on Tyrones performance. It will however impact on Tyrone teams in the future. Burying the head in the sand won't fix it either. I am following Tyrone for over 30 years now through thick and thin and i honestly think that 11 years under one manager so fixed in his ways is now having a major negative effect on Tyrone both on the field and off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 20, 2014, 02:00:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 01:45:47 PM
Quote from: blackball on June 20, 2014, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: blackball on June 20, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.

Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision  making of the current management set up in Tyrone.


Sounds like you have been watching a lot of dragons den repeats on Dave recently!lol This is a football forum not a business forum. Where Hunky Dorys put their advertising and sponsorship money is their business. They knew there was an RTE boycott before they made the decison to sponsor Tyrone GAA and if they arent happy they can pull out at the end of the contract. Not doing RTE inerviews had nothing to do with Tyrone getting beat by Monaghan. It was a mix of team selection, tactics and individual player performance, thats were every game is won and lost.

My mistake there's me thinking its a forum to discuss all issues which effect gaelic games. I am well aware that the RTE issue had no impact on Tyrones performance. It will however impact on Tyrone teams in the future. Burying the head in the sand won't fix it either. I am following Tyrone for over 30 years now through thick and thin and i honestly think that 11 years under one manager so fixed in his ways is now having a major negative effect on Tyrone both on the field and off.

the thread is called tyrone county football and hurling. I dont disagree that the current management team have been there too long and things are going stale, but the main reason for changing should be to do with football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 21, 2014, 07:54:46 PM
Minors 10 down at half time, looking like another bad weekend for the red hands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 21, 2014, 08:20:27 PM
Serious root & branch look at everything in the county needed.
We are falling behind at senior, U21 and now minor level!

Something needs to be done, with hard decisions made from the top down!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on June 21, 2014, 09:07:14 PM
QuoteSomething needs to be done, with hard decisions made from the top down!

What's would be you suggestion Sam 03/05? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 21, 2014, 10:24:01 PM
Have a few things would like to see.
Firstly someone should get a full time job, paid for by county board. His remit - developed young players in the county. Especially after minor level.



Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 21, 2014, 09:07:14 PM
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quote]Something needs to be done, with hard decisions made from the top down!

What's would be you suggestion Sam 03/05?
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 21, 2014, 10:41:14 PM
Seniors,  U-21s and minors out of Ulster at quarter final stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on June 21, 2014, 11:07:19 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
I think the whole problem can be laid at the door of the county board.It is run by a mixture of juntas liars and headtheballs!We need an urgent raid out of this pile of shite as it ain't bringing much luck to our county teams in spite of crazy amounts of money invested.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on June 21, 2014, 11:09:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 21, 2014, 10:41:14 PM
Seniors,  U-21s and minors out of Ulster at quarter final stage.
we will win nothing until the dung within the county board is cleaned out!too many evil deeds carried out by insurgents within our county set up!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on June 21, 2014, 11:16:33 PM
How do we fix it HTR? Who's the victim of evil deeds?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on June 21, 2014, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: matchfit21 on June 21, 2014, 11:16:33 PM
How do we fix it HTR? Who's the victim of evil deeds?
we fix it by raiding it clane out!just take a look at some of the ones involved in the various committees they would nt know the feel of a ball other than their own or a female ball in terms of the bitches.I am really serious about this.We are a complete laughing stock!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: keeptrying on June 21, 2014, 11:33:22 PM
 Serious amount of ego in that  minor management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 21, 2014, 08:27:20 PM
On reflection that was a seriously bad year for tyrone football at all levels. It was undoubtedly the worst year at senior level since 06. And to be honest it feels like we're as far away from challenging for Sam Maguire as we have been on a long time. It's disappointing given the season we had last year and the hope was we were coming out of transition and ready to challenge again. Instead we seemed to go backwards at an alarming rate. It was a very average league followed by a disastrous championship with the only decent showing being away to down.

People are very quick to find scapegoats and come out with irrational crap about garvaghy. The reality is a big push is needed at various levels to get tyrone back on track. We're a huge football county who constantly produce decent players so the raw ingredients are there to mould something.

I'm not too concerned about one poor year for the minors but serious questions have to be asked as to what the hell we're doing at u21 level. We seem capable of producing good minor teams and the same players being totally ineffective 3 years later. There could be a bit of us picking the wrong type of players at minor level who suit that age group but I'm a firm believer in a winning mentality for the county so do believe in picking the best players. However we need to look at developing them after minor and drilling a winning mentality into them and that minor success is a stepping stone not an end.

We need to focus on other young players in the county too. Ones maybe not good enough at minor level or before but who could be nurtured into fine u21 and senior players. Whether this be a big lad who needs to work on his fitness or a small corner back who is light and needs built up. There is a danger that we focus too much on the best players at age groups and bring them into development squads and ignore other players with different progression rates. We're focusing too much on a small group of players at each age group and ignoring too many others and never giving them a chance.

Now we have garvaghy and availability of so many coaches maybe we should be widening the players attending these development squads to get a much wider range of players. As others have noted we also need to move away from focusing solely on ball players and find tight corner backs, a big workhorse in midfield, strong ball wining forward Etc.

I think the current squad and management have a lot of questions to ask themselves. The players need to decide if they are prepared to start working from September on properly conditioning themselves and training close to professional athletes. No one can be expected to do this but it's what it's going to take to win another all Ireland. So every player must decide have they got the hunger and desire to be there. They also must decide whether they're happy to be part of a tyrone squad and the prestige that goes with that or if they have something to offer that can get tyrone back to the top table. If your happy just to be a panel member and see that as an achievement you shouldn't be there.

I've defended Harte throughout the years but he has plenty of questions to ask himself now too. I know there's rumours of unhappiness in the panel. Even things like food seem to be an issue (though I'm not sure that should be players biggest concern and could be a sign of their current state of mind and lack of focus). Players no longer seem to be prepared to go out and put everything on the line for him on the pitch, he doesn't seem to be motivating them enough. I know he likes to have a distance with the players but maybe this needs revised. I know he takes a lot of inspiration from top American coaches but he has to realise he's managing a bunch of lads from tyrone doing this as a hobby and not millionaire full time American professionals.

He also needs to consider whether it's time for a new trainer and new ideas beside him. We don't seem to have enough ideas and seemed to have lost our identity and have no idea of how we want to play. We haven't a settled team and can't compete with teams physically. There's plenty of problems to be addressed and they need done now. This would allow new managerial personnel to take in the rest of the club season and get working on fitness from now as it will take time for the players to catch up.

Having seen our disgraceful performances at u21 level in recent years and replacement such as canavan and mcivor struggle with other counties I think Harte still is as good as we have. But he needs to be brave and ruthless now and make changes. This may involve him giving up some power but it's for the benefit of the team. Canavan could be a good man to come in beside him and maybe Peter Donnelly or someone could be an option.

I've noted before other counties other than Dublin and Kerry struggle to stay consistently at the top table and fade away after a period of success. I think we're a big enough county and have enough desire to do better than that so it's time for everyone in the county to start pulling together and make the changes to get us back to where we should be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 22, 2014, 07:36:34 PM
It looks like Harte will be in the hot seat for another year. I really can't see him clearing out his backroom a la Jim Mc Guinness. It all appears to have gone stale within the county set up. We need new ideas, a red out of the fringe panelists and a new approach to strength and conditioning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 22, 2014, 07:36:34 PM
It looks like Harte will be in the hot seat for another year. I really can't see him clearing out his backroom a la Jim Mc Guinness. It all appears to have gone stale within the county set up. We need new ideas, a red out of the fringe panelists and a new approach to strength and conditioning.

I have seen several people mention this, you would nearly think Tyrone aren't doing any S&C work  :-\
Over the past number of years they have been working with the guys in SINI on this side of things, so i imagine they are doing all the right things and getting the best advice.

I certainly dont think that is were the problem lies, i dont think the current Tyrone team look any less fit or physically strong than the majority of teams out there at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 23, 2014, 09:42:30 AM
Who are we suggesting gets the chop? Tony Donnelly? Fergal McCann? Horse? Michael Harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 23, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 23, 2014, 09:42:30 AM
Who are we suggesting gets the chop? Tony Donnelly? Fergal McCann? Horse? Michael Harte?

There's a good argument to be made for a complete clear out. No slight on the individuals in question, I just feel we would benefit from fresh eyes & fresh ideas, and a different voice at training.

Ryan Porter would be a good choice as team trainer in my opinion.
Also someone like Canavan or Dooher as Assistant Manager might be a good idea. If Mickey is a bit aloof from the younger players, there is a void to be filled there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on July 23, 2014, 03:43:33 PM
Forget about Dooher seen him at Breffini this year!He was a top class footballer but his management ability is in line with working with cattle! Ryan Porter is a must for Tyrone!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on July 23, 2014, 04:05:14 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on July 23, 2014, 03:43:33 PM
Forget about Dooher seen him at Breffini this year!He was a top class footballer but his management ability is in line with working with cattle! Ryan Porter is a must for Tyrone!

Thought you were on holidays
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on July 23, 2014, 04:14:26 PM
Free. Wi fi in the Great Northern Bundoran! I am thinking of writing a book on The demise of Tyrone football at all levels!If Ciaran McLaughlin would only stop being a dictator and employ and/or use the services of men who have achieved in the past!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 23, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
Also someone like Canavan or Dooher as Assistant Manager might be a good idea. If Mickey is a bit aloof from the younger players, there is a void to be filled there.

Wasn't this the problem with trainer Patrick Tally back in 2003-2004?  Players where going to him rather than the manager which resulted in the termination of his involvement with the Tyrone senior set up?
That could be just rumours though. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 23, 2014, 04:57:00 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 23, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
Also someone like Canavan or Dooher as Assistant Manager might be a good idea. If Mickey is a bit aloof from the younger players, there is a void to be filled there.

Wasn't this the problem with trainer Patrick Tally back in 2003-2004?  Players where going to him rather than the manager which resulted in the termination of his involvement with the Tyrone senior set up?
That could be just rumours though.

I thought I remembered something about how Tally had gave and interview about methods/achievement of winning all Ireland - that put Hartes nose out of joint so he got the road for that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on July 23, 2014, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top. 

Willys sessions are poor. Really are. Im not doubting his knowledge but his sessions with tyrone mostly focus on 'prehab' work. not sure that is a direct instruction from mickey or mccann but the programme seems pretty easy. Only fellas in tyrone that are properly bulked up are the ones who have went away and done it themselves m. donnelly, c.cavanagh etc. certainly wasn't from doing willie moore programme.

The other big problem is that a weight wasn't lifted in tyrone senior squad this year until Jan.....which is pretty rubbish really by management. should have 2-3 months of heavy gym work finished at that stage. think its just an extra sign of things going stale this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on July 23, 2014, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on July 23, 2014, 04:14:26 PM
Free. Wi fi in the Great Northern Bundoran! I am thinking of writing a book on The demise of Tyrone football at all levels!If Ciaran McLaughlin would only stop being a dictator and employ and/or use the services of men who have achieved in the past!

You holiday in Bundoran?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on July 23, 2014, 09:06:13 PM

Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top.

Xmas lights, you have just shown your hand, the fact, and I refer to fact, is that Tyrone S&C is behind the Doneagals, Dublins, Armagh and Cavan (it isn't Peter Donnelly, it's a company from Dublin who bring that expertise to Cavan) and it really shows in our inability to break the tackles, bar the few players we know r going to their own private trainers. Mc Elkennon is top bracket, advising county teams and doing personal private training with numerous county players from Ulster and Lenister. What a waste not using his outstanding knowledge in this area for Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 23, 2014, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 22, 2014, 07:36:34 PM
It looks like Harte will be in the hot seat for another year. I really can't see him clearing out his backroom a la Jim Mc Guinness. It all appears to have gone stale within the county set up. We need new ideas, a red out of the fringe panelists and a new approach to strength and conditioning.
I have seen several people mention this, you would nearly think Tyrone aren't doing any S&C work  :-\
Over the past number of years they have been working with the guys in SINI on this side of things, so i imagine they are doing all the right things and getting the best advice.

I certainly dont think that is were the problem lies, i dont think the current Tyrone team look any less fit or physically strong than the majority of teams out there at the minute.

We were blown out of the water in the physical stakes by both Monaghan and Armagh. Granted the tactics and a lot of players underperforming didn't help matters either.

Again all of this is my opinion, but from the outside looking in, the managerial/training aspects of our county teams appear to have become stale and are slipping behind a number of other counties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 24, 2014, 08:59:24 AM
Quote from: The Beard on July 23, 2014, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top. 

Willys sessions are poor. Really are. Im not doubting his knowledge but his sessions with tyrone mostly focus on 'prehab' work. not sure that is a direct instruction from mickey or mccann but the programme seems pretty easy. Only fellas in tyrone that are properly bulked up are the ones who have went away and done it themselves m. donnelly, c.cavanagh etc. certainly wasn't from doing willie moore programme.

The other big problem is that a weight wasn't lifted in tyrone senior squad this year until Jan.....which is pretty rubbish really by management. should have 2-3 months of heavy gym work finished at that stage. think its just an extra sign of things going stale this year

You have experience of William Moore's S&C sessions I'm assuming based on your above post? 

I'm not saying that his sessions are good or bad because I don't know, I'm not part of the Tyrone setup. All I'm saying is that people are complaining about the S&C of Tyrone this year however they are using a guy who is top dog at UUJ and has been used by many professional teams therefore one would assume the S&C are up to scratch?

You cant build up your nuts in the gym where most of the Tyrone team seemed to be lacking this year.  I don't think they looked any smaller or weaker against any teams they played this year.  The main thing that was the problem IMO on the pitch was the cojones of the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 24, 2014, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on July 23, 2014, 09:06:13 PM

Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top.

Xmas lights, you have just shown your hand, the fact, and I refer to fact, is that Tyrone S&C is behind the Doneagals, Dublins, Armagh and Cavan (it isn't Peter Donnelly, it's a company from Dublin who bring that expertise to Cavan) and it really shows in our inability to break the tackles, bar the few players we know r going to their own private trainers. Mc Elkennon is top bracket, advising county teams and doing personal private training with numerous county players from Ulster and Lenister. What a waste not using his outstanding knowledge in this area for Tyrone

I think its safe to say that Mickey Harte & Martin McElkennon wont be working together again!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 24, 2014, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 24, 2014, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on July 23, 2014, 09:06:13 PM

Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top.

Xmas lights, you have just shown your hand, the fact, and I refer to fact, is that Tyrone S&C is behind the Doneagals, Dublins, Armagh and Cavan (it isn't Peter Donnelly, it's a company from Dublin who bring that expertise to Cavan) and it really shows in our inability to break the tackles, bar the few players we know r going to their own private trainers. Mc Elkennon is top bracket, advising county teams and doing personal private training with numerous county players from Ulster and Lenister. What a waste not using his outstanding knowledge in this area for Tyrone

I think its safe to say that Mickey Harte & Martin McElkennon wont be working together again!

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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 24, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on July 24, 2014, 11:37:14 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 24, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
But what happened?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 24, 2014, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 24, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.

Harte and Paddy Tally also worked together at St Ciarans Ballygawley. Maybe it's this school that's that problem. A cesspool of corruption???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 24, 2014, 11:48:14 AM
Would it be too simplistic to say that Mickey is indeed a very stubborn man (as are most great managers) and he tends to surround himself with yes men from what I have heard.
If you step over that line then you will be shunned from what I heard

I talked to an ex player recently and he shocked me of what he had to say about Mickey and how the lack of communication has ALWAYS been an issue and isn't something new.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on July 24, 2014, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on July 24, 2014, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 24, 2014, 11:37:14 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 24, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
But what happened?

Nothing actually happened between them, just people going their own ways.

Quote from: Under Lights on July 24, 2014, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 24, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.

Harte and Paddy Tally also worked together at St Ciarans Ballygawley. Maybe it's this school that's that problem. A cesspool of corruption???

maybe its Harte, the Glencull row and RTE row demonstrate a deep thick man.

McElkennon and Tally are both men with their own ideas and would both like to have a big input. Harte is his own man and likes to be surrounded with yes men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 24, 2014, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 24, 2014, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on July 24, 2014, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on July 24, 2014, 11:37:14 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 24, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
But what happened?

Nothing actually happened between them, just people going their own ways.

Quote from: Under Lights on July 24, 2014, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 24, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.

Harte and Paddy Tally also worked together at St Ciarans Ballygawley. Maybe it's this school that's that problem. A cesspool of corruption???

maybe its Harte, the Glencull row and RTE row demonstrate a deep thick man.

McElkennon and Tally are both men with their own ideas and would both like to have a big input. Harte is his own man and likes to be surrounded with yes men.

Fair play for that post EC Unique, a bit cutting of your own clubman but honest none the least.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dell on August 07, 2014, 05:21:32 PM
Harte has begun the task of rebuilding within Tyrone. The simple truth is there is no other candidate in Tyrone who can match his experience and knowledge. The man is a 'full time' Tyrone Manager, I don't know any other man who could give this 24/7 time to the job. IMO the Armagh defeat highlighted many issues that I believe he will learn from and deal with. I have my own gripes about selection and personnel but I'm not involved every night at training every night so I will trust a man who knows more than most. I also believe the squad he has is a very poor one in comparison to the AI winning teams. Only Matty Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh and Peter Harte appear to have physically developed themselves to play at this level. Too many if the rest of the squad are bluffing in terms of S&C with no chance in their physique over the last number of years. To play county football at this time at a serious level requires huge sacrifice dedication and discipline qualities our AI trams had in abundance along with their undoubted quality and talent. A lot of our young 'talent' (and some not so young) are a spoilt arrogant twitter premiership generation who feel everyone owes them something with their ridiculous attitude, co stand desire to be in the paper, stupid headphones, want to be wags and the lazy excuses for failure that are ready as quick at the flights to the USA. Change is good Harte is making it but the next squad of players need to stand up for themselves, and quickly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 07, 2014, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: Dell on August 07, 2014, 05:21:32 PM
Harte has begun the task of rebuilding within Tyrone. The simple truth is there is no other candidate in Tyrone who can match his experience and knowledge. The man is a 'full time' Tyrone Manager, I don't know any other man who could give this 24/7 time to the job. IMO the Armagh defeat highlighted many issues that I believe he will learn from and deal with. I have my own gripes about selection and personnel but I'm not involved every night at training every night so I will trust a man who knows more than most. I also believe the squad he has is a very poor one in comparison to the AI winning teams. Only Matty Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh and Peter Harte appear to have physically developed themselves to play at this level. Too many if the rest of the squad are bluffing in terms of S&C with no chance in their physique over the last number of years. To play county football at this time at a serious level requires huge sacrifice dedication and discipline qualities our AI trams had in abundance along with their undoubted quality and talent. A lot of our young 'talent' (and some not so young) are a spoilt arrogant twitter premiership generation who feel everyone owes them something with their ridiculous attitude, co stand desire to be in the paper, stupid headphones, want to be wags and the lazy excuses for failure that are ready as quick at the flights to the USA. Change is good Harte is making it but the next squad of players need to stand up for themselves, and quickly.
. I had retired from the thread but had to return to echo my congratulations to Dell for his complete honesty. Wisest words spoke all year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on August 07, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
Word on the street that Peter Donnelly is set to join hartes backroom team as S&C coach
;) ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 08, 2014, 01:20:48 AM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on August 07, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
Word on the street that Peter Donnelly is set to join hartes backroom team as S&C coach
;) ;)

I heard a few players asked for him last year and Harte talked to him. Donnelly wanted to as long as he got the same 'travel expenses' as with Cavan! Harte said he couldn't get him that and that was that. Harte could of paid him out of his kitty!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 08, 2014, 09:10:57 AM
Quote from: Dell on August 07, 2014, 05:21:32 PM
Harte has begun the task of rebuilding within Tyrone. The simple truth is there is no other candidate in Tyrone who can match his experience and knowledge. The man is a 'full time' Tyrone Manager, I don't know any other man who could give this 24/7 time to the job. IMO the Armagh defeat highlighted many issues that I believe he will learn from and deal with. I have my own gripes about selection and personnel but I'm not involved every night at training every night so I will trust a man who knows more than most. I also believe the squad he has is a very poor one in comparison to the AI winning teams. Only Matty Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh and Peter Harte appear to have physically developed themselves to play at this level. Too many if the rest of the squad are bluffing in terms of S&C with no chance in their physique over the last number of years. To play county football at this time at a serious level requires huge sacrifice dedication and discipline qualities our AI trams had in abundance along with their undoubted quality and talent. A lot of our young 'talent' (and some not so young) are a spoilt arrogant twitter premiership generation who feel everyone owes them something with their ridiculous attitude, co stand desire to be in the paper, stupid headphones, want to be wags and the lazy excuses for failure that are ready as quick at the flights to the USA. Change is good Harte is making it but the next squad of players need to stand up for themselves, and quickly.

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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 08, 2014, 10:44:42 PM
I hear that the county chairmanship club and the ulster council  are in bother over the illegal transfer of a lifted player to strabane It will interesting to see what punishment is handed out here given the influence mclaughlin has within the county board.The man who spat on Karl Lacey never got a day suspension  whilst people from the Ardboe club were persecuted  for trying to stand up for their youth!Are we seeing the beginning of the end of mclaughlins corruption?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:30:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:30:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !

He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:30:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !

He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:49:19 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:30:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !

He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.

If he was manager of Tyrone he'd probably ship players in from Cavan and bankrupt the county board. But at least we'd show a bit of guts and get to an AI quarter final which seems to be his glass ceiling as manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:49:19 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:30:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
tyrone county board love wasting money with all the igots throwing money at club tyrone. Some of the Tyrone backroom staff are more than well fed!
What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !

He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.

If he was manager of Tyrone he'd probably ship players in from Cavan and bankrupt the county board. But at least we'd show a bit of guts and get to an AI quarter final which seems to be his glass ceiling as manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on September 02, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
McMenamin  & McGuigan to get involved with the minors with Donnelly and McHugh finishing up at the end of the year;
http://ulsterherald.com/2014/09/02/mcguigan-and-mcmenamin-join-tyrone-minor-management-team/
QuoteThe 2015 Tyrone minor footballers will be under the guidance of a new-look management team. The managerial duo of Mickey Donnelly and Kieran McHugh have landed the services of triple All-Ireland winners Brian McGuigan and Ryan McMenamin to their coaching team, in what is seen as a massive boost to Tyrone's prospects. The pair excelled at opposite ends of the pitch for Mickey Harte's senior side during the most successful spell in the county's history, McMenamin one of the finest defensive players Tyrone has ever produced, while McGuigan was their architect and playmaker in attack. Now, they will pass on that wealth of knowledge and experience to the next generation of Tyrone stars. Both have already immersed themselves in coaching roles at club level, with McMenamin lauded for the work he has been doing with Dromore's underage sides, while McGuigan was part of the Ardboe management team which guided the O'Donovan Rossa side to the Tyrone minor final a fortnight ago. It is understood that Donnelly and McHugh will step down from their roles at the end of the 2015 campaign, regardless of the outcome, and that would create a scenario which would allow a seamless transition for McGuigan and McMenamin to take over the lead roles heading into 2016 and beyond - See more at: http://ulsterherald.com/2014/09/02/mcguigan-and-mcmenamin-join-tyrone-minor-management-team/#sthash.Tu9M688R.dpuf
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on September 02, 2014, 12:09:58 PM
Very positive to hear Ricey and Brian McGuigan are being groomed as future county managers. Unusually well thought out approach for Tyrone County Board rather than usual haphazard stuff. These 2 boys have a lot to offer. Great news for Tyrone football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on September 02, 2014, 12:47:12 PM
Your naivety is laughable NDA. You reckon the county board has a strategy? They aren't even aware that these men were being asked. Papering over the cracks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 02, 2014, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: Napper on September 02, 2014, 12:47:12 PM
Your naivety is laughable NDA. You reckon the county board has a strategy? They aren't even aware that these men were being asked. Papering over the cracks.


there is no way that is the case!! Can't be... surely mick donnelly was "given" these two by the county management committee!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on September 02, 2014, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: Napper on September 02, 2014, 12:47:12 PM
Your naivety is laughable NDA. You reckon the county board has a strategy? They aren't even aware that these men were being asked. Papering over the cracks.
You seem to know a lot. Maybe too much? My guess is your a dissenting voice in county board circles that was kept out of the loop then.
I'm no county board fan but this for a change is a first class piece of work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on September 02, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
No such thing as a dissenting voice in the county board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 02, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
A similar management strategy was tried 2 years ago with the u21s!!  Didn't Philip Jordan and Brian Dooher help Raymond Munroe.  That didn't work out to well but perhaps Donnelly may be more open minded than what Munroe is rumoured to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on September 02, 2014, 02:02:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on September 02, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
A similar management strategy was tried 2 years ago with the u21s!!  Didn't Philip Jordan and Brian Dooher help Raymond Munroe.  That didn't work out to well but perhaps Donnelly may be more open minded than what Munroe is rumoured to be.
Similar thing tried with u21s yes but my guy feeling is this is a better strategy. Ricey and Brian have more coaching experience and reports suggest they will be taking charge in 2016.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 02, 2014, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: NDA on September 02, 2014, 02:02:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on September 02, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
A similar management strategy was tried 2 years ago with the u21s!!  Didn't Philip Jordan and Brian Dooher help Raymond Munroe.  That didn't work out to well but perhaps Donnelly may be more open minded than what Munroe is rumoured to be.
Similar thing tried with u21s yes but my guy feeling is this is a better strategy. Ricey and Brian have more coaching experience and reports suggest they will be taking charge in 2016.

I've definitely seen Ricey with Dromore youth teams but does McGuigan take Ardboe youth teams? How can he have more coaching experience?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on September 02, 2014, 04:40:51 PM
He was over Ardboe minors this year not sure of his involvement in youth teams prior to that. Good move though IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on September 02, 2014, 10:11:43 PM
I see it's being reported Hunky Dorys have pulled the plug next.

http://gaeliclife.com/2014/09/things-no-longer-hunky-dory-in-tyrone/


Tyrone GAA must find a new jersey sponsor for 2015, as well as for their domestic club championships, after Hunky Dorys opted not to renew their agreement.

The Meath-based crisp firm, whose parent company Largo Foods also owns the Tayto brand in the South of Ireland, came on board as Tyrone sponsors in November 2012 on an initial two year deal with the option to extend for a third year, but have informed Tyrone GAA that they will not be taking up that option.

Club delegates at tonight's Tyrone county committee meeting were told that the sponsorship deal, worth six figures a year to Tyrone GAA, will expire at the end of the current Tyrone club championship series.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 02, 2014, 11:59:16 PM
Probably a key indicator that tyrone need a swift change in direction! Under new management in
My opinion!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 03, 2014, 12:09:45 AM
A bit of chaos re the minor management team?

As per Teamtalk tonight!

"Tyrone looking for new minor management following county committee meeting decision this evening. Full story to follow"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on September 03, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
QuoteThe 2015 Tyrone minor management post remains open this morning following a decision taken at the county committee meeting last night.  It had been thought that Mickey Donnelly and Kieran McHugh would be ratified as managers for the new season but they failed to garner enough votes from the county's leading decision making body.  Donnelly and McHugh were in charge of the Tyrone minor footballers since the beginning of the 2011 season.

Nominations for the management posts now rest with the  clubs.  Those nominations and selection of the new management team are expected to be concluded in the coming weeks

So I guess the timing of yesterdays news on the addition of McGuigan & McMenamin to their backroom team was to gain support at last nights meeting, which didn't quite work.

To ratify a decision like this; how many votes are needed? 50%+1? 66%? Anyone here been a county board rep?


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on September 03, 2014, 01:53:56 PM
Was it not the case that Donnelly was reinstated a couple of weeks ago "unopposed", from what i hear it was rushed through and there was actually another party which were interested, this party then made a complaint to the county committee.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on September 03, 2014, 03:34:50 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on September 03, 2014, 01:53:56 PM
Was it not the case that Donnelly was reinstated a couple of weeks ago "unopposed", from what i hear it was rushed through and there was actually another party which were interested, this party then made a complaint to the county committee.

It's the worst kept secret in local football that two members of the 1986 team want the job next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 03, 2014, 03:57:19 PM
I'll guess

O'Hagan & Lynch?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
So who has the job??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on September 03, 2014, 05:23:47 PM
They are advertising it in the Courier this week...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on September 03, 2014, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
So who has the job??

You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on September 03, 2014, 07:16:21 PM
Was told today that two lough shore men might drop parish rivalries and go for the minor job. Micky Donnelly will walk into a big club job next year. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 07:47:56 PM
Quote from: Napper on September 03, 2014, 07:16:21 PM
Was told today that two lough shore men might drop parish rivalries and go for the minor job. Micky Donnelly will walk into a big club job next year.

Ardboe and Moortown?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on September 03, 2014, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
So who has the job??

You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.

when u hit 50+ umpiring is my limit i am afraid..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on September 03, 2014, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on September 03, 2014, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
So who has the job??

You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.

when u hit 50+ umpiring is my limit i am afraid..

You're far from 50 big lad maybe you and your derrylaughan mate I heard are going for the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on September 03, 2014, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on September 03, 2014, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
So who has the job??

You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.

when u hit 50+ umpiring is my limit i am afraid..

You're far from 50 big lad maybe you and your derrylaughan mate I heard are going for the job.

barking up the wrong tree
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 11:06:14 AM
Apart from O'Hagan and Tar Lynch is there anyone else rumoured to be interested in the minor post?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 04, 2014, 01:25:55 PM
Would Paul Devlin (Moortown) not be looking a go at it considering his success this year with Moortown minors?

What are the usual credentials for a minor manager? What where Mickey Donnellys for example?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 01:29:30 PM
There is a suggestion that Moortown have an equally as strong a minor side next year, I doubt Paul Devlin would walk away from his team just yet.

I know Mickey Donnelly had managed Mayobridge before taking on the minors, can't say for cetain that he won a Down championship with them but I am fairly certain he did.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 04, 2014, 01:56:26 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 01:29:30 PM
There is a suggestion that Moortown have an equally as strong a minor side next year, I doubt Paul Devlin would walk away from his team just yet.

I know Mickey Donnelly had managed Mayobridge before taking on the minors, can't say for cetain that he won a Down championship with them but I am fairly certain he did.

Yeah I hear only 2/3 are overage next year - could you not do both?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 02:57:05 PM
In theory he probably could but if you were to look at it cynically, it would make his job as Moortown managers easier as he would be working closely with the key players from the clubs challenging them for honours.

I would also expect a minor manager to be taking in club games to keep an eye out on players, if he was managing his own team he couldn't do this as he'd only see the players his own club faced.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on September 04, 2014, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 04, 2014, 01:25:55 PM
Would Paul Devlin (Moortown) not be looking a go at it considering his success this year with Moortown minors?

What are the usual credentials for a minor manager? What where Mickey Donnellys for example?
Paul Dook yes had great year with murtin minirs but hes no Ollie Mallaghan who along with Benny Hurl raised the bar in minor football
Mickey Donnelly wasnt even at the minor final this year and him expected to take the tyrone minors next year with probably between murtin and ardboe you could have picked at least 6-8 for the team.this year never mind looking for next year

How many grade 1 games did he go since he took charge??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on September 04, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
Hugh the root !!!
Is that you?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on September 04, 2014, 08:04:48 PM
 8) ;)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on September 04, 2014, 09:49:13 PM
Scullys not far aff the mark, Olly Mallaghan and Benny Hurl definitely raised rhe bar within youth football in tyrone and left lads in Ardboe with a pocket fulla medals, indeed Benny was involved with development squads in tyrone and was well respected  but his face didnt suit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 10:26:37 PM
I would have no hesitation having Benny Hurl involved with the minors but we all know that won't happen under the current chairmans watch. That said if the Co Committee has the power to remove Mickey Donnelly do they have the same say when it comes to voting for a new management team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on September 04, 2014, 11:55:01 PM
Sean Teague?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on September 05, 2014, 02:37:28 AM
Raised the bar??? They didn't win an Ulster title ffs. Omagh, Fianna and Errigal have all done that in the last 10 years. Good wee team but that comment was way off. There would be worse ideas than bringing Raymond Munroe back. Suits U18 management and has a proven track record.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: highballlow on September 05, 2014, 12:49:12 PM
I see the rumour mill has already begun on the next team sponsor,heard talk of Moy Park but this is a new one.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Red-Hand-Fan/787751621266690



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on September 05, 2014, 02:06:24 PM
Quote from: highballlow on September 05, 2014, 12:49:12 PM
I see the rumour mill has already begun on the next team sponsor,heard talk of Moy Park but this is a new one.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Red-Hand-Fan/787751621266690
You've created a new facebook page & gaaboard account just to tell us this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on September 05, 2014, 11:53:38 PM
Quote from: TF15 on September 05, 2014, 02:37:28 AM
Raised the bar??? They didn't win an Ulster title ffs. Omagh, Fianna and Errigal have all done that in the last 10 years. Good wee team but that comment was way off. There would be worse ideas than bringing Raymond Munroe back. Suits U18 management and has a proven track record.

Only omagh and ardboe have ever got to three grade 1 minor finals in a row which is some achievement in anyones eyes

Ardboe fell short in ulster 2 years in a row against the king pins of youth football in Glen Maghera
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 17, 2014, 10:14:29 AM
It would appear that Micky Donnelly is still the county Minor Manager despite not havng the support of the County Committee. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 17, 2014, 11:08:48 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on September 17, 2014, 10:14:29 AM
It would appear that Micky Donnelly is still the county Minor Manager despite not havng the support of the County Committee.
Was there a meeting last night?
How did that go?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 17, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Have no idea how the meeting went, just heard on the grapevine that Micky Donnelly is still the Minor Manager.  If anyone can confirm that?  I know Teamtalk said Tyrone were seeking nominations for new Minor Management.  I heard different this morning
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on September 17, 2014, 12:06:14 PM
Still the manager for now, another meeting to be called, needs a 2/3 majority to overturn that and open the position up for nominations.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 17, 2014, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: shezam on September 17, 2014, 12:06:14 PM
Still the manager for now, another meeting to be called, needs a 2/3 majority to overturn that and open the position up for nominations.

Could you be bothered if ratification took this long - I think I would just walk away!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 17, 2014, 01:24:20 PM
Is it not a bit of a farce that over half the County Committee voted that they have no faith in this man, yet your being told it has to be 2 thirds?  I hope they get the majority they need.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 17, 2014, 02:33:18 PM
This is some farce.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 17, 2014, 02:49:11 PM
What a mess.
Apparently the Co Committee didn't follow the correct procedure, now another vote is required to either remove or retain existing management. As is stands Mickey Donnelly and Kieran McHugh remain in the job, if I was them I think I would have got the message by now.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 17, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
Find it hard to believe the guys will stay on in the known circumstances.  But at the same time this could be a handlin we could do without.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on September 17, 2014, 09:04:48 PM
Something to do with Micky Donnelly managing another team according to our cc member.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 17, 2014, 09:22:44 PM
It is alleged that he was also managing a club team in Fermanagh, I'm told this isn't permitted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 17, 2014, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 17, 2014, 09:22:44 PM
It is alleged that he was also managing a club team in Fermanagh, I'm told this isn't permitted.

custard cant be happy with all this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 17, 2014, 10:58:10 PM
     We' re playing Monaghan on 31st January in the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BADONEY on September 18, 2014, 12:11:15 AM
Round 2,Mayo away Sunday Feb8th2pm Castlebar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BADONEY on September 18, 2014, 12:54:27 AM
Tyrone  national league fixtures 2015,
Round1 Monaghan Home Sat Jan31st
Round2 Mayo away  Sunday Feb 8th
Round 3, Sat Feb 28th Derry home
Round 4, Sat 7th March Dublin away
Round 5, Cork homeSunday 15thMarch
Round 6,Donegal  away sat 28thMarch
Round 7, Kerry home Sunday 5th April.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on September 18, 2014, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: BADONEY on September 18, 2014, 12:54:27 AM
Tyrone  national league fixtures 2015,
Round1 Monaghan Home Sat Jan31st
Round2 Mayo away  Sunday Feb 8th
Round 3, Sat Feb 28th Derry home
Round 4, Sat 7th March Dublin away
Round 5, Cork homeSunday 15thMarch
Round 6,Donegal  away sat 28thMarch
Round 7, Kerry home Sunday 5th April.

Would want max points from the first 3 rounds as there is nothing easy after that!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 09, 2014, 09:43:51 PM
Right so we have a tough league campaign followed by a even tougher Ulster championship, with a dry run up in Ballybofey at the end of March.

What are our realistic ambitions and what do we need to do to achieve them?

Stay up and a run in the qualifiers, League final and an Ulster championship or League and All Ireland?

A new style of play?
A winter in the gym?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on October 12, 2014, 10:20:51 AM
Rumours that fergus is back and intends filling a hole in the tyrone defence
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 12, 2014, 10:56:37 AM
Dont know if you are just slagging the fella, but if the lad has recovered I would not be against him trying to reestablish a positive reputation.   Will be tough..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on October 12, 2014, 07:43:05 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on October 12, 2014, 10:20:51 AM
Rumours that fergus is back and intends filling a hole in the tyrone defence


Looks to be true, introduced to the lads at a session this week. He will need one tough skin as he will get serious sledging I'm sure at county and club level
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 13, 2014, 12:12:17 PM
Thats good news for the fella. Hope everyone can give him a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 13, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
We could have done with him a few times last season all right. For whatever reason we havnt been able to find any decent corner backs.
Good luck to the fella, a rocky road ahead of him no doubt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 13, 2014, 01:24:46 PM
I see the tyrone minor management debacle rumbles on.

I happen to come across some twisting about it on twitter - I think it was between county board officials!!!

Talk about airing dirty laundry in public!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on October 13, 2014, 01:41:36 PM
Might be a job that's a poison chalice. The Under 17s were hammered in the Jim McGuigan final this year by Donegal who they meet in the opening round of the championship. Now that'll count for nothing in May but if Tyrone are beat there'll be some crying one way or another by the other party.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandloo on October 13, 2014, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on October 13, 2014, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: barelegs on October 13, 2014, 01:41:36 PM
Might be a job that's a poison chalice. The Under 17s were hammered in the Jim McGuigan final this year by Donegal who they meet in the opening round of the championship. Now that'll count for nothing in May but if Tyrone are beat there'll be some crying one way or another by the other party.

We're no worse off than Donegal who are making Declan Bonner reapply

Correction.
We are just as bad as Donegal.  Our minor management also had to reapply following last year's All Ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 15, 2014, 03:11:15 PM
Red Hands seek Croker clarification after Donnelly loses minor vote!!


Hoganstand have got hold of this story that Tyrone County Board don't have a clue what's going on up on the hill.  They have asked Croke Park for clarification to find out if Mick Donnelly is still our Minor Manager. This is a farce. I'm surprised Micky hasn't walked away from this knowing he doesn't have the support of the county clubs.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=226064
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on October 15, 2014, 03:32:27 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 15, 2014, 03:11:15 PM
Red Hands seek Croker clarification after Donnelly loses minor vote!!


Hoganstand have got hold of this story that Tyrone County Board don't have a clue what's going on up on the hill.  They have asked Croke Park for clarification to find out if Mick Donnelly is still our Minor Manager. This is a farce. I'm surprised Micky hasn't walked away from this knowing he doesn't have the support of the county clubs.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=226064

I am very surprised at this also that he hasn't walked by now but possibly he is going to play the 'smart' game and seek revenge.

He could be lying in the grass waiting on this whole saga to unfold, clarifications etc which could all take a few more weeks and then when all is said and done he will inform the county board that he is no longer interested and leave them high and dry with wasted time and money and no manager - then trying to get a manager to get all sorted out regarding trials will be a nightmare. apparently Derry have already completed their trials and are ready to go ....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 16, 2014, 05:05:48 PM
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.

Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 16, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
Quote from: WT4E on October 16, 2014, 05:05:48 PM
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.

Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus

Can we stop this Fergus shit. He is going to need as much support as possible, especially from Tyrone people, players and supporters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shawshank on October 16, 2014, 06:39:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on October 15, 2014, 03:32:27 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 15, 2014, 03:11:15 PM
Red Hands seek Croker clarification after Donnelly loses minor vote!!


Hoganstand have got hold of this story that Tyrone County Board don't have a clue what's going on up on the hill.  They have asked Croke Park for clarification to find out if Mick Donnelly is still our Minor Manager. This is a farce. I'm surprised Micky hasn't walked away from this knowing he doesn't have the support of the county clubs.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=226064

I am very surprised at this also that he hasn't walked by now but possibly he is going to play the 'smart' game and seek revenge.

He could be lying in the grass waiting on this whole saga to unfold, clarifications etc which could all take a few more weeks and then when all is said and done he will inform the county board that he is no longer interested and leave them high and dry with wasted time and money and no manager - then trying to get a manager to get all sorted out regarding trials will be a nightmare. apparently Derry have already completed their trials and are ready to go ....

This is the first time in years that Derry is that well advanced, in saying that there still a small number if players not on the panel who may feature yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 17, 2014, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on October 16, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
Quote from: WT4E on October 16, 2014, 05:05:48 PM
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.

Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus

Can we stop this Fergus shit. He is going to need as much support as possible, especially from Tyrone people, players and supporters.

I support him coming back - everyone has their issues but I actually thought he had changed his name!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on October 17, 2014, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: WT4E on October 17, 2014, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on October 16, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
Quote from: WT4E on October 16, 2014, 05:05:48 PM
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.

Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus

Can we stop this Fergus shit. He is going to need as much support as possible, especially from Tyrone people, players and supporters.

I support him coming back - everyone has their issues but I actually thought he had changed his name!

I dont support his return In anyway. Man is lowest of the low. Has repeatedly stole money and defrauded people over and over again. Alot of whom were good tyrone gaa people. Showed no remorse at any stage. And for mickey to bring this man in shows a complete lack of respect to decent tyrone gaa people who have been conned by this con artist.im ignoring the video farce but I cant look past what he has done before
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 18, 2014, 09:41:16 PM
I don't agree with the beards sentiment in anyway, but I hope Mickey Harte knows what he is doing. Tyrone GAA is a very fragmented group at the moment. I can't recall as much frustration  at anytime as now when you look amongst county board officials, management, players, supporters, sponsers, referees etc
So much internal conflict. Ultimately I don't think that'll ease until the senior manager decides he has had enough, but that aside we don't need more devisive scenarios like this one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on October 20, 2014, 11:19:42 AM
Mc Carron was at the fitness tests in Cookstown.  What worries me is that we cant even hold our fitness testing in the multi million pound 'Centre of Excellence'  :-\ :-\

Looking fwd and putting all the above aside I feel the introduction of Peter Donnelly to the Tyrone setup will bring great change.  A born leader, winner, captain and now - excellent trainer he can only help Tyrone.  I Believe we still have the talent, that there is no doubt but we must add steel, grit and will to win.  All of which Donnelly will bring to the table.  He will not accept excuses from the current bunch which I believe there to be plenty...Conditioning is crucial in the modern game and Donnelly will provide a fresh approach to that.  I fancy us to give it a real rattle this year.



   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 20, 2014, 12:08:24 PM
I heard the general consensus amongst the players where that they didn't want to turn their backs to Cathal McCarron - well I suppose would you??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on October 20, 2014, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on October 20, 2014, 11:19:42 AM
Mc Carron was at the fitness tests in Cookstown.  What worries me is that we cant even hold our fitness testing in the multi million pound 'Centre of Excellence'  :-\ :-\

Looking fwd and putting all the above aside I feel the introduction of Peter Donnelly to the Tyrone setup will bring great change.  A born leader, winner, captain and now - excellent trainer he can only help Tyrone.  I Believe we still have the talent, that there is no doubt but we must add steel, grit and will to win.  All of which Donnelly will bring to the table.  He will not accept excuses from the current bunch which I believe there to be plenty...Conditioning is crucial in the modern game and Donnelly will provide a fresh approach to that.  I fancy us to give it a real rattle this year.

Is there a Carmen clear out? Our two fellas went through the fitness test but no word of Michael Cassidy. Surely he must be in line for a call up shortly?



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 23, 2014, 11:20:39 PM
Was there not talk of Mattie Donnelly walking away or never playing in the same team as Mc Carron ever again???????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: billabong on October 24, 2014, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: WT4E on October 20, 2014, 12:08:24 PM
I heard the general consensus amongst the players where that they didn't want to turn their backs to Cathal McCarron - well I suppose would you??

;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on October 24, 2014, 11:57:50 AM
I have it on good authority that Mickey Donnelly is to be ratified as minor manager for another year. Croke Park must have ruled in his favour.

Assuming this will be brought before the county committee on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 24, 2014, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 23, 2014, 11:20:39 PM
Was there not talk of Mattie Donnelly walking away or never playing in the same team as Mc Carron ever again???????

I suspect that he will climb down from this threat and continue his county career.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on October 24, 2014, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on October 24, 2014, 11:57:50 AM
I have it on good authority that Mickey Donnelly is to be ratified as minor manager for another year. Croke Park must have ruled in his favour.

Assuming this will be brought before the county committee on Tuesday night.

Mickey Donnelly was in the big house on the hill last night running fitness tests. He does not need to be ratified. He is already in place doing the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on October 24, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on October 24, 2014, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: TF15 on October 24, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.
+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on October 24, 2014, 06:12:09 PM
Ruairi Sludden has had an excellent year for Dromore,maybe worth a look.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on October 24, 2014, 08:49:49 PM
Patrick Quinn and Padraig McNulty bound to get a call up after their performance for dungannon in this years championship.
Dwayne Quinn also worth a trial along with the two sluddens.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 25, 2014, 01:25:02 PM
Never did like the thrash talk but as Dromore were the worst for it, can hardly complain now if McCarron gets it. Like who sets the rules on how low it can go, certainly not some of his team-mates... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 27, 2014, 06:55:06 PM
danny Gorman and mark Bradley should def be worth a look at from killyclogher.very impressive on sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on October 27, 2014, 07:09:28 PM
Just think Bradley may have the same problem as McCurry has to an extent - his size. He will be very small for Senior intercounty footbal but an excellent inside forward he is, no doubt in that. I'd give any defender who looks half decent a trial because other than Aidy McCrory our full back line was woeful last year. I think thats 99% of the reason McCarrons back in the fold. Drastic times/drastic measures and all that. Also would leave Ruari Sludden to focus on U21s. Don't think he's ready for intercounty senior yet and a good year with U21s would be more beneficial to him probably than being on the fringe of our senior panel. Same goes for most of our U21s, let the lads focus on their own grade and those who show up best get drafted into the panel? Seems to me a reasonable idea.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 27, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
Quote from: TF15 on October 27, 2014, 07:09:28 PM
Just think Bradley may have the same problem as McCurry has to an extent - his size. He will be very small for Senior intercounty footbal but an excellent inside forward he is, no doubt in that. I'd give any defender who looks half decent a trial because other than Aidy McCrory our full back line was woeful last year. I think thats 99% of the reason McCarrons back in the fold. Drastic times/drastic measures and all that. Also would leave Ruari Sludden to focus on U21s. Don't think he's ready for intercounty senior yet and a good year with U21s would be more beneficial to him probably than being on the fringe of our senior panel. Same goes for most of our U21s, let the lads focus on their own grade and those who show up best get drafted into the panel? Seems to me a reasonable idea.
ruari sludden was kicked of the u21 panel last year,maybe he has changed this year but I don't think he has the right mentality for county football.remember you have to nearly train 4/5 nights a week.niall sludden should get a look at for sure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 27, 2014, 09:32:20 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 27, 2014, 06:55:06 PM
danny Gorman and mark Bradley should def be worth a look at from killyclogher.very impressive on sunday

What year was Gorman Co minor captain before he broke his leg?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on October 28, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: TF15 on October 24, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.

Ruairi Loughran Carrickmore
Michael Cassidy Ardboe
Frank Burns Pomeroy
Hugh Pat McGeary Pomeroy
Conall Mc Cann Killyclogher
Jason Mc Anulla Omagh
Shane O'Hagan Clonoe

Any of these lads worth a shot?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 29, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
Quote from: Max Payne on October 28, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: TF15 on October 24, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.

Ruairi Loughran Carrickmore
Michael Cassidy Ardboe
Frank Burns Pomeroy
Hugh Pat McGeary Pomeroy
Conall Mc Cann Killyclogher
Jason Mc Anulla Omagh
Shane O'Hagan Clonoe

Any of these lads worth a shot?
After the last couple of years anyone fresh is worth a shot.
Think McAnulla was on the panel before, would be surprised if O'Hagen was interested but he and McCann would give a good presence around the middle.
Loughran and Cassidy are 2 good players, McGeary and Burns were good minors but I havent seen them play since.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on October 29, 2014, 10:03:09 AM
Kieran McGeary Pomeroy would be a great option. Class act
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 29, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
if thats the quality of new players ticket sales would be poor imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on October 29, 2014, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 29, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
if thats the quality of new players ticket sales would be poor imo

Ticket sales? You must have this mixed up with the Man Utd thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on October 29, 2014, 11:44:22 AM
Out of those names, Cassidy is the only one I feel would add a  difference, looks the real deal. Loughran is a decent footballer but not sure he has the pace/power for county level but maybe that could be worked on, so worth a chance. Shane OHahan is now 28-29 and not county material in my view. McAnulla decent but has been there before as said and dont think is interested.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: S.Poacher2012 on October 29, 2014, 11:53:45 AM
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on October 30, 2014, 12:29:43 PM
 Gorman minor 08 i think.was against down in omey ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on November 03, 2014, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 27, 2014, 09:32:20 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 27, 2014, 06:55:06 PM
danny Gorman and mark Bradley should def be worth a look at from killyclogher.very impressive on sunday

What year was Gorman Co minor captain before he broke his leg?

Not sure what year, but it was his cruciate. He recovered and then did it again the following year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 03, 2014, 05:05:00 PM
I watched the Omagh v Cross game yesterday and whilst I was delighted they came back and won it in the end I couldn't help but think how their style of play is very similar to that of the county team.
This slow sideways passing up the pitch which often gets broken down by one stray pass is very hard to watch and seems prevalent now in the game.

I couldn't help feeling dejected listening to the TG4 host interview Mickey Harte about the year ahead and will he be taking in new backroom staff and will there be a fresh approach. "Not really" was more or less the response I heard as yes he has Peter Donnelly as new S&C coach but sounds like it will be Mickey and Horse as the only men at the wheel. From chatting to a few ex players last year I hear relationships between a lot of the players and Mickey are at an all time low with very little communication happening and an unpleasant awkwardness about approaching Mickey. I suppose players feel he's hard to approach with all that he's been through yet there are issues that need to be challenged. From what I hear Horse is a YES man to Mickey and that's what Mickey likes. Nobody questioning him.
Tony Donnelly was the man all the players went to before by all accounts so does Gavin Devlin play that role now.

It's hard to know what's going on for someone like me down in Dublin but it seemed to me that there was a large contingent of Tyrone Gaels thought it was time for Mickey to leave in the last year or 2. Certainly as we went our early last year most of us thought that was the last straw.

Our style of play (maybe influenced by trying to beat Donegal/Monaghan) has become very ugly and slow in my opinion. I saw it again yesterday with Omagh "Crab passing" as I call it up the pitch. I've watched it with Tyrone the last few years and it is so frustrating that the pace and intelligent football we used to play is now totally nullified with this paranoia about trying to keep possession at all cost.

More often that not we try a short kick out. Work it back and forward around the full and half back line whilst forwards try to make good runs into space but never get the pass.
Then one loose pass gets intercepted and suddenly we're on the back foot again.
Whilst the game has changed radically in the last few years and even the "Mighty" Kerry have changed their style to counteract this, I think Tyrone football has become very stale and needs a good kick up the hole. Just my own opinion.

Fear is the word that holds us all back in life and I think Tyrone players now are playing with a huge element of fear under the manager that helped us win our first and ALL 3 All-Irelands.
It seems to me as there as been a big fudge this year with us all fed up with Mickey's antics & stubbornness yet instead of Mickey resigning, his 2 assistants resigned instead. Did they do this themselves to try to encourage Mickey to go? I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows for SURE.

Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion so please don't start giving me a hard time for starting a Mickey Witch hunt at Haloween. Of course the man is a legend in Tyrone and around all of Ireland and of course most people outside the county will take the easy option and say how could you ask him to step down. He's earned that respect to stay as long as he wants. Yes all true but I am just curious what people think within Tyrone and that's why I posted this in here and not out on the main board page.

I for one and I know there were many others was really not impressed travelling hundred of miles last year to watch some of the tripe football we played and some of the team selections he made.
He actually apologised for it down in Kerry I think after the league defeat which is grand if he then learns from it but I don't think he did.
I'm curious now that the season closes and we approach a new national League season with the same manager and to me same ideas.
I am not expecting to win the AI and think we got lucky with the draw 2 seasons ago to make the semis but I do think we still have the makings of a fine team that should at least be winning Ulster a bit more.
With players like Morgan, Justy, Joey, Gormley(even still), Sean & Colm, Clarke, Barry Tierney, Ronan O'Neill, Coney, McCurry I think with the right tactics and mindset and as Jim McGuinness showed belief that we can still be a force

For me anyway, under Mickey we are going backwards and that most important thing belief isn't there.
It reminds me of how players see Roy Keane as a manager. Huge amount of respect for the man and what he achieved but scared shitless of letting him down, making a mistake, pissing him off and so on the field they will play with FEAR and be cautious which leads to mistakes.

As usual people ask yes yes but who would replace him? Who would do a better job?
An easy reply but that reply just shows that you don't accept how bad things are in reality. Yes Mickey was sharp back in the 2000's when we were winning things and made the player believe they were the best but I don't think he has that influence any more. He hardly even talks to the players by all accounts.
Of course I hope he proves us wrong but to me I am not looking forward to the season ahead or to my birthday on the 7th March when Tyrone come to Croke Park to play the Dubs. A game I used to look forward to every year and how they used to fear us. Now they don't even consider us a threat any more.
I'd like to hear people's thoughts as to me the whole thing was swept under the carpet when the backroom staff resigned.
Have many of ye stopped going to away matches the way you used to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 03, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
Congratulations to Omagh yesterday and to any of the Omagh heads on here.  They matched us in the second half and worked hard and as a result the ball fell their way.  That's the way the thing goes and they have to be commended on that.  There are questions that can be asked about refereeing and other matters but the reality is that the team that worked hardest for the full 60 minutes and most importantly for the last 10 minutes won.  The sendings off played a key part in that as many of our men were dead on their feet by then and the decision making went awry but there are no complaints about either sending off.

Anyway best of luck now for the rest of the championship, remember there are no medals given out for winning 1/ finals no matter who you beat.  The semi opponents will be tough enough,  probably Letterkenny, but they are very beatable. I reckon Slaughtniel might surprise a few on the other side of the draw and get through,  Mickey Moran is a shrewd man on the line.  They will play a very similar brand of football to Omagh and the final would be a very attritional one if both teams make it but it is there for Omagh to win it if they want to.  They have the talent anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on November 03, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
Cheers BC1. Hard luck yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on November 03, 2014, 06:14:16 PM
very gracious bc1. the standard of armagh championship certainly didn't help. nothing like the white heat of battle to sharpen a team. maybe that caught cross cold in last 10mins

good post by fuzz man. spot on with most of it i think
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 04, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
I see today that the Irish News are reporting that Cathal McCarron attended the latest round of Tyrone trials.  Does Cathal have a club confirmed? I hope he will be given the chance to put the past behind him.  However lets be honest in club football he will be singled out for attention every single game he will need a lot of self discipline to get through the year.

I genuinely hope he comes back to be a real asset to Tyrone and can let the past stay in the past.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on November 04, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
From what i heard he is going to Dungannon, not sure how true that is. Im sure hes big enough to take it  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on November 05, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
Its interesting that Ger Cavlan didn't get a second chance yet Mc Carron is given a chance to resurrect himself.  Cavlan was one of my all time favourites...My only worry is the disruption this could cause...perhaps none.....There is no doubting the lads talent and there is a need for quality defenders in the squad.  The difference from the Ger Cavlan episode is that Tyrone didn't need Cavlan at the time of his scandal where as Tyrone and Harte need some defenders!..

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 05, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
you dont want to know  :-[
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on November 05, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 05, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
you dont want to know  :-[

Lets just say he had his cake and he ate it......... :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 12:40:23 PM
Never watched or had any intention of watching the video, I wonder how someone from here ever stumbled across it in the first place?  How do you bring that to your mates attention? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 05, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 12:40:23 PM
Never watched or had any intention of watching the video, I wonder how someone from here ever stumbled across it in the first place?  How do you bring that to your mates attention?

I heard that it was actually discovered in Oz by an ex pat but then again it would be interesting to trace it back to the first man that laid eyes on it! lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 05, 2014, 02:45:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 05, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 12:40:23 PM
Never watched or had any intention of watching the video, I wonder how someone from here ever stumbled across it in the first place?  How do you bring that to your mates attention?

I heard that it was actually discovered in Oz by an ex pat but then again it would be interesting to trace it back to the first man that laid eyes on it! lol

Why? People watch porn. A lot of people watch porn. Do you? I'm sure there are plenty of gay guys that play gaelic too you know- Cathal would have been easily identified here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on November 05, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 05, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 05, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
you dont want to know  :-[

Lets just say he had his cake and he ate it......... :-\

Any cream on the cake?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on November 05, 2014, 05:07:10 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 05, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 05, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 05, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
you dont want to know  :-[

Lets just say he had his cake and he ate it......... :-\

Any cream on the cake?

Not when he was finished with it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 06, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
My God, I know I was stirring it a bit and people don't wanna say too much about Mickey H but was there really a need to change the topic THIS DRASTICALLY

Lads we're talking about a decent player who will no doubt get a hard enough time next year so maybe we should delete some of those posts
Other counties will be only too delighted to read about it all
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on November 06, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on November 04, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
From what i heard he is going to Dungannon, not sure how true that is. Im sure hes big enough to take it  :-X

Can't see Dungannon taking him. Young Walsh is a fine full back and the Clarkes seem to have put their faith in this decent young crop of players coming through.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on November 06, 2014, 06:27:53 PM
I don't think it's all jst the fact about his porno as to why he shud or shudnt be on the panel,it's the fact that he was out breaking into house and stealing from his friends,neighbours,employers,club etc!
In my opinion he shudnt be there and I can say I won't be supporting Tyrone for as long as he's on the panel! I'm led I believe no apology has ever been given and stolen money never returned!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 06, 2014, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: Hospital Road on November 06, 2014, 05:32:04 PM
Would Trillick take him?

He could register with a hurling or handball club and still make the panel. Canavan was with Killyclogher HC in his Glencull days. Dromore have a hurling club, Naomh Eoin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 06, 2014, 11:16:28 PM
at the end of the day what mccarron does in his spare time is up to him. what worries me more is the continued need for mickey to continue with his little projects first reigning in the horse now getting fergus back on the straight and narrow excuse the pun. it smacks of desperation all round but i suppose thats where the tyrone football manager now finds himself. there must be huge pressure now on mickey not only is he the longest serving but must be the oldest intercounty manager by a long shot he has presided over 4 years of dross and ever diminishing returns. the question for anybody looking on the outside to mickey is why has he not been able to get a performance of note out of this current squad. Today i see its the 08 panels fault thats rich coming from a man who continued to suffocate any of those guys development unless he shared a similar surname.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on November 07, 2014, 09:24:10 AM
2013 Tyrone reached the AI semi final, had no luck at all in the game, injuries, dodgy penalty etc. the minors reached the final, beaten narrowly. Hardly dross surely. Most counties would give their an arm, a leg and plenty more to be in that position.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 07, 2014, 09:33:21 AM
Quote from: orangeman on November 07, 2014, 09:24:10 AM
2013 Tyrone reached the AI semi final, had no luck at all in the game, injuries, dodgy penalty etc. the minors reached the final, beaten narrowly. Hardly dross surely. Most counties would give their an arm, a leg and plenty more to be in that position.

Did Tyrone win - No.

2nd and below is nowhere and is not the standard of a top team which Tyrone believe themselves to be in although I very much doubt that myself. We have gone downhill big time since 2008. Yes, most counties would give up their arm and leg for that result in 2013 but most counties have not won 3 out of the last 10 AI and had Minor success also in that period. With the success we have had in recent years (since 2003) at all levels I believe we should be in a better position than we currently are - realistically we are not even in top 3 in Ulster any more therefore would struggle to get into most peoples top 10 for Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on November 07, 2014, 09:36:16 AM
The argument off Harte staying or going will rumble on...Personally I feel Tyrone football needs a fresh face, fresh ideas and a renewed sense of vigour and pride.  The thing that worries me is talk that Harte's relationship with the players in non existent...surely this will have an effect on performance and desire....added to that the return of MC Carron - will it have a negative effect on the camp...?

Look at how they do things in Kerry...and this is important.  Apart from Paudi O' Se each manager has stayed no longer than 3 years at a time...they freshen things up...change the voice, change the players, change the ideas...This hasn't happened in Tyrone, we have stuck with Harte, let him control all football in the county, let him decide where our centre of excellence should be located (On top of a hill which no facilities to pre season fitness test) and we are afraid to challenge him and his ways...

Jack O Connor  2004-2006   2 AI and 2 Munster Titles
Pat O Shea  2007-2008       1 AI and 1 Munster Titles
Jack O Connor 2009-2012   1 AI and 2 Munster Titles
Eamon Fitzmaurice 2013 - ? 1 AI and 2 Munster Titles

4 Management Changes 5 All Irelands in 10 Years





Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 07, 2014, 10:13:30 AM
Taking McCarron back smacks of absolute desperation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 07, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
When you look at the minor record of the past 10 years it is unreal that things are not better.  We go into another season with a huge hole at u-21 too.  Change is needed, and I don't think MH is going to change too much this year coming.  Another under-achieving season beckons.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 07, 2014, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: orangeman on November 07, 2014, 09:24:10 AM
2013 Tyrone reached the AI semi final, had no luck at all in the game, injuries, dodgy penalty etc. the minors reached the final, beaten narrowly. Hardly dross surely. Most counties would give their an arm, a leg and plenty more to be in that position.

And if Sean Cavanagh had not of made 'that tackle' we'd have been out on our holes at the QF.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 07, 2014, 11:23:21 AM
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.

On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 07, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 07, 2014, 11:23:21 AM
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.

On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.

I believe this is to be the case also - club football will be destroyed in Tyrone in 2015 - MH will issue ultimate pressure on players to focus on county only and will use other counties are prime examples of how it leads to success - Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, even Armagh. I think this year we will see limited access to our county players especially with a prelim game v Donegal in early May. If we use the normal 2 week rule then that means end of April / early May and with Easter in April next year we could see a scenario whereby only 2 or 3 A.C.L games played before Tyrone play Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on November 07, 2014, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 07, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 07, 2014, 11:23:21 AM
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.

On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.

I believe this is to be the case also - club football will be destroyed in Tyrone in 2015 - MH will issue ultimate pressure on players to focus on county only and will use other counties are prime examples of how it leads to success - Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, even Armagh. I think this year we will see limited access to our county players especially with a prelim game v Donegal in early May. If we use the normal 2 week rule then that means end of April / early May and with Easter in April next year we could see a scenario whereby only 2 or 3 A.C.L games played before Tyrone play Donegal.

You are making a good case for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 07, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: GJL on November 07, 2014, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 07, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 07, 2014, 11:23:21 AM
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.

On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.

I believe this is to be the case also - club football will be destroyed in Tyrone in 2015 - MH will issue ultimate pressure on players to focus on county only and will use other counties are prime examples of how it leads to success - Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, even Armagh. I think this year we will see limited access to our county players especially with a prelim game v Donegal in early May. If we use the normal 2 week rule then that means end of April / early May and with Easter in April next year we could see a scenario whereby only 2 or 3 A.C.L games played before Tyrone play Donegal.

You are making a good case for him.

I think in fairness this is well known and every county manager would be aware that these counties don't really release their county players unless it is Championship or other important games. Some of these counties have a system whereby championship is not straight knockout so their players are released for minimum all championship games - read somewhere this week that one county actually has 2 groups of 6 for their championship with top 2 qualify for semi finals...Counties not releasing players has been ongoing for some time but I think this year MH will apply some real  pressure and it will be quite interesting to see what happens - our club scene is very competitive and clubs cant afford to be without their key players so will be a highly debatable issue when it comes around at county board level...I hope that all clubs stand their ground and refuse to allow county men more than 5 games absence
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 07, 2014, 03:09:04 PM
I think its more to do with the players rather than Harte that things have regressed. At the end of the day how many chances has a lot of these fringe players to get to they put down two good performances together. Suffocate their development?? The players aren't making it easy for him, no consistency whatsoever! Yes he probably makes it worse by changing the team regularly but boys like Kyle Coney and the forwards in general continue to dissapoint time after time and show no signs of developing any kind of consistency. They simply can't put two good games back to back. The group of the 00's was special, couldn't name 3 of the players under 28 who have the character of the men in them teams.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 07, 2014, 05:27:53 PM
I was out at a night at the dogs last night with our Tyrone Assoc Dublin and halfway through the meal I asked the table of 10 Who would ye pick as your new Tyrone Manager if Mickey was to step down.

Of course I just wanted to spark debate and get a bit of banter going but alas, I only got dirty looks and virtually nobody answered.
I think that on it's own shows how sad our situation has become. Nobody even wants to discuss football any more in case they'll offend somebody. We're definitely in a bad rut and with the underage talent being left to fall away and not develop is a terrible waste in my opinion
I'm not saying everything is Mickey's fault but by God he's not helping things
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 07, 2014, 11:19:46 PM
when is someone in the county board going to force mr harte to toe the party line. the continued lack of communication interaction with clubs, players in the squad, the media and rte sends out a them and us message. or is it a deliberate protocol in terms of i dont know what im doing who knows. if we go back to 2008 every hound dog from ardboe to aghyaran knows that until caroline currid was brought into the squad to act as a go between the players and harte the players were jacking. we have not moved forward one dot since 2008. whos fault is that. lets just put the statue up in garvaghey for gods sake and be done with this current malaise. we need  a change of direction even if a 4th mckenna is secured god help us. its a known biological fact as you get older your aversion to risk increases.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 08, 2014, 12:09:28 AM
maybe i'm a bit nieve, but why cant he play for dromore anymore ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 10, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
Any word of of trials taking place or who is at them? Could do with finding a few defenders, a midfield option or 2 and and a couple of half forwards forward for starters. Would be good to see mcmahons staying fit and making a big push next year. Justy looks in better shape than has for years. Will also be good to see Clarke back. In terms of players for trials I assume some of the following will be involved:

Mccarron
Swift (if staying home)
Gorman
Mark Bradley (looks to have bulked out a we bit but still very small, could even be worth a go at 11 anyway)
Meyler
Hugh Gallagher
Mcnulty
Walsh
Niall sludden
Burns (how's he progressing?)

Many others out there worth a go? Tierney from the Omagh games looks a real option at half back.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 10, 2014, 11:54:19 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 10, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
Any word of of trials taking place or who is at them? Could do with finding a few defenders, a midfield option or 2 and and a couple of half forwards forward for starters. Would be good to see mcmahons staying fit and making a big push next year. Justy looks in better shape than has for years. Will also be good to see Clarke back. In terms of players for trials I assume some of the following will be involved:

Mccarron
Swift (if staying home)
Gorman
Mark Bradley (looks to have bulked out a we bit but still very small, could even be worth a go at 11 anyway)
Meyler
Hugh Gallagher
Mcnulty
Walsh
Niall sludden
Burns (how's he progressing?)

Many others out there worth a go? Tierney from the Omagh games looks a real option at half back.

I 'believe' Cathal McShane from our Club is up training with the senior squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 11, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
Gaelic Players Association Releases

Statement on behalf of Cathal McCarron, Tyrone

Cathal McCarron and the Tyrone senior football management would like to inform the national media that Cathal is currently working on his personal fitness under a strength and conditioning coach with a view to returning to full training with the Tyrone squad when they regroup next month.

While conveying this positive news we would like to point out that Cathal will not be engaging with media in any capacity for the foreseeable future.

On behalf of Cathal, the Tyrone squad and management, the GPA would kindly ask you to respect Cathal's need to focus on his recovery and his return to football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: mick999 on November 11, 2014, 12:59:28 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-confirm-the-likely-return-of-cathal-mccarron-to-panel-1.1996346
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bensars on November 11, 2014, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: TF15 on November 07, 2014, 03:09:04 PM
I think its more to do with the players rather than Harte that things have regressed. At the end of the day how many chances has a lot of these fringe players to get to they put down two good performances together. Suffocate their development?? The players aren't making it easy for him, no consistency whatsoever! Yes he probably makes it worse by changing the team regularly but boys like Kyle Coney and the forwards in general continue to dissapoint time after time and show no signs of developing any kind of consistency. They simply can't put two good games back to back. The group of the 00's was special, couldn't name 3 of the players under 28 who have the character of the men in them teams.



In fairness to the forwards ( especially the full forward line ) it must be nightmare to play in.

Handpass central- goalkeeper to full back out to corner back- handpass back to full back- out to wing half back- back into centre- back out to wing half back- hand pass to wnghalf forward- hand pass to centre- another hand pass across the line- then all the way across the 40 yard line if not backwards.

By this stage the oppisition have set up camp.  Last year more shooting oppurtunities were created for Mattie Donnelly and half backs than were for the full forward line.

Contrast that to 10 years ago- the ball played fast and direct and ended with a shooter-  the ball broken or possession gained and a fast counter attack with decent balls into space for the full forward line. Aprox 4 or 5 men in possession moving the ball 100 yds at pace compared to now with 10 men having hands on the ball and moving it 40-50 yards slowly.

Its hard enough for some of these young fellas to make the breakthrough at senior county level without having to play in a set up that is designed to hold possession.

These young players take some of the responsibility but ultimatley the style that has developed is instructed from the sideline !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 11, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Kieran McGeary of Pomeroy should get a look. Playing CHF in a St Mary's sigerson team that has beaten UUJ, DCU and QUB in Ryan Cup and from reports he is playing very well. Perhaps wait to see how he gets on with Tyrone U21's first though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 11, 2014, 10:45:52 PM
did i hear the mcnulty from dungannon and dwyane quinn from clonoe have been asked to join the training panel. like both of them physical and direct. badly needed physicality weve turned into soft lateral handpassing jessies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 12, 2014, 02:42:06 PM
John McCullagh from Greencastle also asked to attend a trial.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on November 14, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
O'Neill and Penrose call it a day

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584)

2 great servants for Tyrone. O'Neill especially was a joy to watch when injury free, scored some fantastic points down the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 14, 2014, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 14, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
O'Neill and Penrose call it a day

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584)

2 great servants for Tyrone. O'Neill especially was a joy to watch when injury free, scored some fantastic points down the years.

Big loss for Tyrone, however there is a real opportunity for some of the young lads coming into the panel. And no more excuses for some of the existing fringe players of recent years too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 14, 2014, 03:03:48 PM
Great players in their day, however they didnt play much last year and maybe the decision was made for them.  Exceptional talents and god only knows how good O'Neill could have been if he managed to stay injury free.  Stevie was one of the greatest
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 14, 2014, 04:07:37 PM
Watching Stevie take 10 points of Francie was the highlight for me although he scored some great goals over the years.
Always annoyed me how Refs would tend to make exceptions for great players like Stevie rather than just giving the free.
However I suppose that did come back to serve us well n 2005 when we got that last free

Was this the moment or was it a different one
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF216/188886.jpg)

Some of the points he kicked in Croker from crazy angles was a joy to behold
(http://img.rasset.ie/000722ad-642.jpg)

Anyone got his total score tally?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on November 14, 2014, 04:21:20 PM
His points v Dublin under the lights in Croke park that night was something special. A fit Stephen O'Neill was some addition to the Tyrone cause and it's just a pity that injury robbed us of his services more often than not.

A ball winner and finisher, strong as an Ox and bravery to match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 14, 2014, 04:31:41 PM
(http://www.dmcaphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_3922a.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 14, 2014, 10:12:52 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 14, 2014, 04:07:37 PM
Watching Stevie take 10 points of Francie was the highlight for me although he scored some great goals over the years.
Always annoyed me how Refs would tend to make exceptions for great players like Stevie rather than just giving the free.
However I suppose that did come back to serve us well n 2005 when we got that last free

Was this the moment or was it a different one
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF216/188886.jpg)

Some of the points he kicked in Croker from crazy angles was a joy to behold
(http://img.rasset.ie/000722ad-642.jpg)

Anyone got his total score tally?
did my keever ever learn to tackle
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 15, 2014, 03:58:10 PM
The time was probably right for both players to go. They've given a lot to Tyrone but given age and miles on clock its probably unrealistic to expect them to get back to their best. Stevie O'Neill at his peak was a top top player and an absolute joy to watch. It's a shame his career was blighted so match by injury as we didn't get to see him at his best near often enough. Penrose gave a lot to the cause too and had a good impact on the 2008 All Ireland winning year as well as the minor title in 01.

On a different note will Cathal McCarron be able to play for Tyrone in the championship next year before taking part in the club championship? Does that rule only apply when you leave your native county? If it did apply to him he'll definitely hope for an early club championship next year.

Will be a nice way to start 2015 with a trip to an improving Armagh team on the first day out. Sounds as if work is already been put in for next year and its going to be needed. Definitely a big year for Harte. Considerable improvement needed and if doesnt happen his position will no doubt be under threat. But I think he deserves another go at it and hopefully can prove the doubters wrong - you don't win 6 All Irelands, multiple ulsters, ulster club championships, county championships etc by being a bad manager that some have painted on here and it certainly wasn't with one group of players as some try to make out. People can point to 3 or 4 bad years recently but he had a number of bad years with the minors before getting it right.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 15, 2014, 06:33:23 PM
First time in a long while MH has real pressure on him I imagine. Previous poor years were assuaged by him having a few years left on the contract ...but now he's in his final year and coming off possibly our worst season in over a decade.....definite improvement needed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 15, 2014, 06:38:28 PM
It's as valid a perspective as any of the harte basher s but is laughable as it's now as sure as Xmas that you will post this. I for one hope that he has a successful final year in charge of Tyrone football. What a great run we all had..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 15, 2014, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: rrhf on November 15, 2014, 06:38:28 PM
It's as valid a perspective as any of the harte basher s but is laughable as it's now as sure as Xmas that you will post this. I for one hope that he has a successful final year in charge of Tyrone football. What a great run we all had..

I have no idea what you mean by this.

I don't regularly say much negative about MH and I'm absolutely grateful for everything the greatest manager in our history has done but like every other supporter who attends games rain hail or snow I'm entitled to an opinion. I sincerely hope Harte turns the ship around and would have no problem with him extending another term in office however last year was poor and there is no point saying otherwise.

The point I was making was that he has never been under the same sort of pressure tenure wise as will be next year. We have had bad years before, for various reasons and last year was our worst in a long time but Harte always knew he had the following year(s) to get things right, this time it looks like he must get it right or someone else will probably be in.

It's ridiculous that people are accused of 'Harte bashing' if they suggest anything other than all is rosy in the garden.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 15, 2014, 08:00:08 PM
I think he may have actually been giving me abuse for continually defending him. I agree that he's under the most amount of pressure he's been under since starting or early summer 08. And the team most show serious improvement this year for him to continue. But I do think there is a lack of balance on here when it comes to Harte.

It's a big year for a lot of the players who consistently haven't delivered enough as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 17, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
Sorry Tyrone man, it was santa this was aimed at.. Not abuse either.  I think its high time for rational debate on Tyrone future.  however not of the abusive kind. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 17, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Rational debate is in order indeed without this usual line of how can you question a man who won 3 AI's and several underage ones.
We all change and the game changes. Look at Arsene Wenger for Arsenal. They have been left behind for years now as they stuck with a man that wont change his ways. Ferguson knew when it was time to leave I think.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 17, 2014, 09:59:56 PM
the key question who would come in and do as good or better job.i cant think of anyone really.mal orourke maybe, that's it.2 years ago we reached al Ireland semi.this year tell a lot.not as much about micky but more about the players and how much they want to improve.look at the shape Clarke,matty are in.thats the level u have to be at to be winning al Irelands.plenty of skill in the team but some players aren't putting that extra bit in.mickey prob struggled with that,but that's were peter Donnelly will be key
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 19, 2014, 09:15:21 PM
Still no word on a new sponsor?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 19, 2014, 09:40:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 17, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Rational debate is in order indeed without this usual line of how can you question a man who won 3 AI's and several underage ones.
We all change and the game changes. Look at Arsene Wenger for Arsenal. They have been left behind for years now as they stuck with a man that wont change his ways. Ferguson knew when it was time to leave I think.

Success over a ten plus years period has to be considered. So does the quality and performance of players which hasn't been good enough.

My biggest problem with criticism on here is it so often is irrational. In recent days for example people have been suggesting a load of Omagh players should have started last year, before that it was people about Clonoe players and I often have suspicions that they're looking at things with a bias to their own club players. I saw plenty of Tyrone last year and don't believe Ronan O'Neill or Grugan showed enough to be automatic starters. Both our young and will hopefully improve though.

People have accused him of not making changes and sticking to his favourites. Last year he gave loads of opportunities to multiple players but they didn't deliver the goods. Some of the new players like Emmet McKenna I didn't think were ready to start but obviously Harte saw something in him and maybe he'll prove it going forward.

Like many others I'd like to see a more direct style of play. Though many of the successful teams in recent teams are playing a very similar style. Donegal and Kerry were both very defensive and slow build up in the final this year. If anything Tyrone were too attack minded at times.

The u21 performances over the last ten years concern me as much as anything and Harte hasn't been involved at that level. Our players don't seem to be progressing from minor to u21. So many good minors arent making the step at the next grade up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 19, 2014, 10:16:17 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 19, 2014, 09:15:21 PM
Still no word on a new sponsor?

Was just thinking that myself. Big mistake if they miss out on the Christmas sales as nobody will want to buy a Hunky Dory top.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 19, 2014, 10:38:14 PM
Another thing which is unreasonable is that some people here want Harte to let the players play in every club game and criticise him over availability of players while on the other still expect success at county level.

The tyrone players play more club games from April to August than most other top counties such as Donegal and Dublin of even armagh where they played no games for a month before Cavan match last year.

It has cost tyrone with injuries on loads of occasions. I hope they continue to play in line with last year but given what tyrone are competing against its hard to expect them to available for all games. Though either way regular club games are a most, may have to come up with something to involve more games in some form without county players,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 19, 2014, 10:50:15 PM
On a different note does anyone think mark Bradley is worth a call up? Only saw him for the u21s this year and he was decent enough. Was brilliant minor but was so small always had doubts over him making it.

What about swift? Thought he was a decent option at corner back up until leaving.

Only a few weeks until the annual McKenna cup uni row kicks in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 19, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on November 20, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 19, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.

Hard to take your comments serious when you say he is one-sided! He has 2 equally good feet and has in the past taken frees with his right foot at club level. Only a player very strong on the perceived weaker foot would consider doing this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 20, 2014, 01:15:22 PM
Only pours from the optic with one side in McGinns - I think that's what hes on about!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 20, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 19, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.

::) Aye, O'Neill, Mulligan, Cavlan, Coney are proof of that alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on November 20, 2014, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 20, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 19, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.

::) Aye, O'Neill, Mulligan, Cavlan, Coney are proof of that alright.

Enda Mc Ginley and Tommy McGuigan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 20, 2014, 04:22:43 PM
i didnt say he was one footed i said he was one sided read my post, (he needs blinkers to get him out of the top right side of the field) and i think he needs a wee stool to get him up to the optics in the said establishment. he will get his chance no doubt but hes while small boys and them wee short hamstrings will never stick county ball. i hope he stands up (what he is standing up) and prove me wrong as we need forwards. will he count in the physical stuff and what would happen if they line him out top of the right hed be having shots from the carpark at healy. mind you the best greyhound that ever lived master mcgrath needed alignment he pulled to the right as well so it can be done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on November 20, 2014, 06:34:11 PM
I know u have a shift key cause you got the brackets in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 27, 2014, 07:22:38 PM
Noticed on Twitter that Tyrone are due to play Derry in the O'Fiaich cup in Cross next Saturday. Is this a first under Mickey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 28, 2014, 09:21:56 AM
you be hoping gael nobody from st endas will be playing due to big result sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2014, 08:15:44 PM
There isn't much details in terms of the o'fiaich cup. Like no mention of who else is playing in it. I assume armagh and Louth.

You'd have to guess the team will be made up more or less of players on trial. Maybe few fringe players from last year but no established ones. Would like to see new players in areas of pitch we're struggling most. Like corner back, holding centre half back, midfield and half forward.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfun on December 03, 2014, 11:09:40 AM
http://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/ (ftp://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/)

Does this mean BOI are Tyrone's new sponsors?

Will new jerseys have Bank Of Ireland on them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on December 03, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: winghalfun on December 03, 2014, 11:09:40 AM
http://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/ (ftp://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/)

Does this mean BOI are Tyrone's new sponsors?

Will new jerseys have Bank Of Ireland on them?

No!! This is just a secondary sponsor similar to Moy Park.  Main sponsor is yet to be announced.  Think they are calling it Tyrone GAA's financial partner  I thought with Christmas coming we might of had word to get the Jersey sales up but all seems quiet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 03, 2014, 03:24:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2014, 08:15:44 PM
There isn't much details in terms of the o'fiaich cup. Like no mention of who else is playing in it. I assume armagh and Louth.

You'd have to guess the team will be made up more or less of players on trial. Maybe few fringe players from last year but no established ones. Would like to see new players in areas of pitch we're struggling most. Like corner back, holding centre half back, midfield and half forward.

That O'Fiach Cup had been postponed I believe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 03, 2014, 03:29:41 PM
good! Is enough of an overkill of county football...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on December 09, 2014, 06:46:10 PM
Will the new shirt sponsor be announced tonight?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on December 09, 2014, 09:14:51 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on December 09, 2014, 06:46:10 PM
Will the new shirt sponsor be announced tonight?

Apparently so
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 09, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
Congratulations to Roisin Jordan, Ireland's first female county chair. She takes on a big role at an important time for Tyrone GAA - best of luck to her.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 09, 2014, 10:53:03 PM
Aye best of luck to Roisin.  Here's to a new start for Tyrone gaa. Strong support for the clubs. strong support for the  county.  Let's push on...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 09, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
McAleer and Rushe the new sponsor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 10, 2014, 12:03:02 AM
Who is she?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 10, 2014, 09:49:22 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 09, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
McAleer and Rushe the new sponsor.

So McAleer & Rushe have taken up the poisoned chalaice of sponsoring Tyrone! Hopefully they fair out better economically than our last 3 or 4 sponsors

Fair play to them though, its great to see genuine Tyrone people sponsoring the county side again. The likes of Seamus McAleer & Eamon Laverty have been involved with Club Tyrone from its inception.

Their yellow and blue logo will clash with the jersey colours but I suppose its no different to hunky dorys
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on December 10, 2014, 12:14:17 PM
Congrats to Roisin, for a county that has been viewed as conservative, this is monumental
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on December 10, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
My Irish is not great. Could somebody translate please?

Cathaoirleach – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish)
Leas Cathaoirleach – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor)
Rúnaí – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick)
Leas Rúnaí – Donal Magee – (Killyclogher)
Cisteoir – Raymond McKeown – (Moy)
Leas Cisteoir – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart)
Ard-Chomhairle – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
Comhairle Uladh – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O'Kane (Drumragh)
Oifigeach Chairdreamh Poibli – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly)
Oifigeach Cultúr – Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor)
Oifigeach Forbartha – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
Oifigeach Oiliúna & Forbartha – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe)
Oifigeach Iomána – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Oifigeach Leanaí – Adrian Nugent (Rock)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on December 10, 2014, 02:06:04 PM
ChairMAN – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish)
Vice Chairman – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor)
Secretary – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick)
Vice Secetary– Donal Magee – (Killyclogher)
Treasurer – Raymond McKeown – (Moy)
Vice Treasurer – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart)
Executive – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
Ulster Council Rep – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O'Kane (Drumragh)
PRO – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly)
Cultural Officer– Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor)
Development Officer – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
Training & Development – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe)
Hurling Officer – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Childrens Officer– Adrian Nugent (Rock)

How long has McCaughey been Sectretary?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on December 10, 2014, 02:06:53 PM
Quote from: GJL on December 10, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
My Irish is not great. Could somebody translate please?

Cathaoirleach – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish) Chairperson
Leas Cathaoirleach – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor) Vice Chairperson
Rúnaí – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick) Secretary
Leas Rúnaí – Donal Magee – (Killyclogher) Assistant Secretary
Cisteoir – Raymond McKeown – (Moy) Treasurer  
Leas Cisteoir – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart) Assistant Treasurer
Ard-Chomhairle – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
Comhairle Uladh – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O'Kane (Drumragh) Ulster Council
Oifigeach Chairdreamh Poibli – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly) Public Relations Officer
Oifigeach Cultúr – Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor) Cultural Officer
Oifigeach Forbartha – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
Oifigeach Oiliúna & Forbartha – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe) Coaching Officer
Oifigeach Iomána – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Oifigeach Leanaí – Adrian Nugent (Rock) Child Protection

Thats most of the positions.  Liam Neilis is the representation at Croke Park.  Hope that helps
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on December 10, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2014, 04:08:23 PM
Quote from: WT4E on December 10, 2014, 02:06:04 PM
ChairMAN – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish)
Vice Chairman – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor)
Secretary – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick)
Vice Secetary– Donal Magee – (Killyclogher)
Treasurer – Raymond McKeown – (Moy)
Vice Treasurer – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart)
Executive – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
Ulster Council Rep – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O'Kane (Drumragh)
PRO – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly)
Cultural Officer– Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor)
Development Officer – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
Training & Development – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe)
Hurling Officer – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Childrens Officer– Adrian Nugent (Rock)

How long has McCaughey been Sectretary?

Is that not a full time job as opposed to something that's elected?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on December 10, 2014, 04:34:57 PM
County Secretary is a full time, paid position. I'm sure it would be an appealing job should a vacancy ever arise.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on December 10, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
need a few strings to your bow to get the secretarys job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on December 10, 2014, 11:32:17 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on December 10, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
need a few strings to your bow to get the secretarys job.

  And a thick skin to survive in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on December 11, 2014, 01:12:47 PM
Just wondering how long he has been in the job?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on December 22, 2014, 02:45:40 PM
Have it on good authority that Conor Gormley is retiring from county football.  A great servant to the Tyrone cause, leaving a big void to be filled within the current set-up.  On a positive note, great news for Carrickmore as he will now put all his efforts in restoring us to the top of the pile again. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 24, 2014, 02:55:52 PM
I see the panel is out for the McKenna Cup. Some new faces though thought there would have been more. Will be looking forward to see how McNulty, Quinn and McShane get on. Also how some of the boys called in in recent years push on. Looks like a strong enough squad as usual for the McKenna cup. Any word on why Grugan pulled out? Must be a fair few involved with the universities.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 29, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
What's the story with Conan Grugan & Ciaran McGinley for 2015 season. Reportedly both have pulled out for personal reasons making them unavailable - can anyone shed any light on this please. Both lads will be missed in an very important year ahead - it is a big make or break year for Tyrone !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on December 29, 2014, 09:05:04 PM
not a make or break year for tyrone but a make or break year for harte. mcguiness is gone can he get past donegal if not time to go end of.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 29, 2014, 09:10:14 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 29, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
What's the story with Conan Grugan & Ciaran McGinley for 2015 season. Reportedly both have pulled out for personal reasons making them unavailable - can anyone shed any light on this please. Both lads will be missed in an very important year ahead - it is a big make or break year for Tyrone !!!

McGinley working in England as far as I'm aware. No word why Grugan has walked away. Thought it was a big year for this year in terms of development - felt if he was ever going to that now was the time to make the break through. Has appeared to me to lack a we bit of hunger when I've saw him play which I felt was holding him back but he has plenty of talent and still relatively young.

Good game this Sunday to get the season up and running.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reddgnhand on December 31, 2014, 10:39:58 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 29, 2014, 09:10:14 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 29, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
What's the story with Conan Grugan & Ciaran McGinley for 2015 season. Reportedly both have pulled out for personal reasons making them unavailable - can anyone shed any light on this please. Both lads will be missed in an very important year ahead - it is a big make or break year for Tyrone !!!

McGinley working in England as far as I'm aware. No word why Grugan has walked away. Thought it was a big year for this year in terms of development - felt if he was ever going to that now was the time to make the break through. Has appeared to me to lack a we bit of hunger when I've saw him play which I felt was holding him back but he has plenty of talent and still relatively young.

Grugan no big loss in my opinion.

Good game this Sunday to get the season up and running.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 31, 2014, 10:57:47 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on December 29, 2014, 09:05:04 PM
not a make or break year for tyrone but a make or break year for harte. mcguiness is gone can he get past donegal if not time to go end of.
let's take it game by game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2015, 02:44:18 PM
Do they announce the line ups for the McKenna Cup in advance or is it on the day?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 02, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
See Peter Canavan has got himself involved with the Under 21 set up.  Is he positioning himself for the senior post next year when Micky's term comes to an end?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on January 02, 2015, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2015, 02:44:18 PM
Do they announce the line ups for the McKenna Cup in advance or is it on the day?

I think they normally do name the team in advance for McKenna Cup - maybe just with new years they havent done so for this match. Are you waiting patiently to hear if Cathal McShane will be starting?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 02, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Still no word on why Grugan pulled out? This could have been a huge year for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on January 02, 2015, 06:31:42 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc

2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin

3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin

4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór

5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair

6 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais

7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin

8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh

9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn

10 – PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo

11 – Kyle Coney – Ard Bó

12 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach

13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc

14 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (c)

15 – Shea McGuigan – Ard Bó
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 02, 2015, 06:58:12 PM
Mc Carron starts on Sunday. I have a few reservations about this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 02, 2015, 07:15:39 PM
Think the future for Sean is FF. Won his POY from there in 08 and with his pace dropping a little he would extend his playing time by another few years.

Would have preferred a more experimental panel / line up. Beating Armagh at this stage of the year is neither here nor there. Nice if it happens, no biggie if not. Finding new players us far more important.

Is Dan mcNulty injured?


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on January 02, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 02, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Still no word on why Grugan pulled out? This could have been a huge year for him.

I have been told that has taken the year out to improve his own conditioning and bulk up.
Although im sure he could of done this while on the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2015, 08:00:02 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 02, 2015, 07:15:39 PM
Think the future for Sean is FF. Won his POY from there in 08 and with his pace dropping a little he would extend his playing time by another few years.

Would have preferred a more experimental panel / line up. Beating Armagh at this stage of the year is neither here nor there. Nice if it happens, no biggie if not. Finding new players us far more important.

Is Dan mcNulty injured?

It might not be overly experimental in terms of new players but the majority of the team are not yet established successful county players. A lot of new players have been brought in during recent years and now is the time for them to step up. The likes of mcnamme got his place last year but still needs games at the level to continue to improve.

I'm also glad to see cavanagh up to full forward. We have really lacked ball winners in the forward line in recent years and cavanagh and mattie d are 2 players who could improve this from last year. Looking forward to seeing how mcnulty goes in midfield. Tyrone really need options there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 02, 2015, 09:24:20 PM
Hopefully Padraig McNulty gets a run of games and gets a chance to get to grips with county football. It's a big step up for him but he has all the required attributes to be a big success. My fear is he'll have one mediocre game and never been seen again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 02, 2015, 10:11:58 PM
Quote from: EastTyrone on January 02, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 02, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Still no word on why Grugan pulled out? This could have been a huge year for him.

I have been told that has taken the year out to improve his own conditioning and bulk up.
Although im sure he could of done this while on the panel.
He could bulk up on the panel but wouldn't be guaranteed as much game time as he will get with Omagh so that could be a factor if his focus is on development.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2015, 10:53:07 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on January 02, 2015, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2015, 02:44:18 PM
Do they announce the line ups for the McKenna Cup in advance or is it on the day?

I think they normally do name the team in advance for McKenna Cup - maybe just with new years they havent done so for this match. Are you waiting patiently to hear if Cathal McShane will be starting?

Something like that alright Tyroneboi.

I've something else on on Sunday but would rejig if he was starting. Don't want to change a pile of plans if he only gets 5 or 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on January 03, 2015, 03:07:41 PM
Tyrone (McKenna Cup v Armagh)
1. Niall Morgan (Edendork);
2. Aidan McCrory (Errigal Ciaran),
3. Ronan McNamee (Aghyaran),
4. Cathal McCarron (Dromore);
5. Tiernan McCann (Killyclogher),
6. Ryan McKenna (Eglish),
7. Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran);
8. Colm Cavanagh (Moy),
9. Padraig McNulty (Dungannon);
10. PJ Lavery (Clonoe),
11. Kyle Coney (Ardboe),
12. Peter Hughes (Eskra);
13. Darren McCurry (Edendork),
14. Sean Cavanagh (Moy),
15. Shea McGuigan (Ardboe).

Subs: Michael O'Neill (Clonoe), Rory Brennan (Trillick), Mark Donnelly (Carrickmore), Plunkett, Kane (Coalisland), Connor McAliskey (Clonoe), Emmett McKenna (Eglish), Niall McKenna (Donaghmore), Cathal McShane (Owen Roes), Dwayne Quinn (Clonoe), Patrick Quinn (Dungannon).

Sean Cavanagh at 14 is the big thing to take from the team, sign for the rest of the year maybe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2015, 08:11:44 PM
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on January 03, 2015, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2015, 08:11:44 PM
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?

The point is to try and win the goddam game!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2015, 10:31:26 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 03, 2015, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2015, 08:11:44 PM
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?

The point is to try and win the goddam game!!!!!


It done Tyrone a lot of good stuffing Armagh last year in McKenna cup then get humiliated when it really mattered in the championship. Surely this competition should be treated as a way of finding out if new players are suited to Inter County football, and if they win that's a bonus, but it shouldn't be about winning it for the sake of it. I'd like to see a settled team for league as playing Division 1 football much more important than winning a McKenna Cup!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 04, 2015, 01:02:27 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2015, 08:11:44 PM
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?

It's all about balance, you can't just launch a team of young fellas in and expect them to hit the ground running. You need to surround them with established County footballers who will help them settle and hopefully bring out their best talents. Sending out a team of new faces, especially against the likes of Armagh, will benefit no one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 04, 2015, 09:40:59 AM
If Tyrone weren't going out to try and win these games I'd rather we pulled out of the competition. Harte is using a similar policy as he did when Tyrone were successful and people didn't have a problem then. Armagh have a strong team out and are the toughest opponents in the group so Tyrone need a decent lineup.

At the end of the day whoever wins today will have no impact on a meeting later in the year. But in my opinion it's nice to go out and win these games and try to win the competition. That's what sport is about, especially when your playing Armagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Any of ye at the match want to give us a run down on who played well and who didn't
How did Padraig McNulty do at MF?

Was it the usual slow build up or any long balls kicked into Sean. I hope Sean stays at FF for the season cos whilst he is great at running with the ball he is creates havoc in there and knows how to win a free. McCurry and any other CF will benefit with a ball winner at FF I think

How did the defence fair?
What age is young McShane and what's his best position? what's he good at?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on January 06, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
Norf will give you a better answer but from what I saw of McShane it's all positive. Very quick and mobile and makes very intelligent runs. Not a small guy either so can win his own ball (Prob does need to bulk up a bit but he's still young). Seemed to be very good at coming out and winning balls, turning and going towards goal. Shooting was strong as well. Definitely the best talent I saw all year in D3. And I would hope he'll get better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on January 06, 2015, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Any of ye at the match want to give us a run down on who played well and who didn't
How did Padraig McNulty do at MF?

Was it the usual slow build up or any long balls kicked into Sean. I hope Sean stays at FF for the season cos whilst he is great at running with the ball he is creates havoc in there and knows how to win a free. McCurry and any other CF will benefit with a ball winner at FF I think

How did the defence fair?
What age is young McShane and what's his best position? what's he good at?


I wasnt at the game but from what I was told McNulty was didnt make much of an impact. The red card for C.Cavanagh left him tussling round the middle on his own, it wasnt a true reflection - another game would give a better indication.

I also hear McCurry was played in a more withdrawn role - can anyone shed any light on this? I thought he would be the ideal man playing alongside a ball winner like S.Cavanagh!?

I hear McShane came on and held his own which is positive news. Just goes to show there is quality players outside the top tier, and some who may never have gotten the chance yet!?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 06, 2015, 04:28:10 PM
Mc Nulty did well for his debut.  Whilst he didn't catch much clean ball he did make sure and get a good fist on any 50/50 ball.  He had a goal opportunity which was well saved by the Armagh Keeper.

As for McShane, he played approx. 7 mins.  He put himself about, possibly could of picked up a black card with a blatant foul to stop a prominent Armagh attack but escaped with a yellow (probably because the Armagh man didn't go to ground).  Took a good score.  I'd expect him to play against St Mary's give him a chance to shine. 

Both men I feel would be reasonably happy for the time they had on the pitch
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on January 18, 2015, 06:35:50 PM
Dwayne Quinn Padraig Mc Nulty and Cathal Mc Shane have all featured in the 3 games played to date. Any of these players going to feature come championship time considering their performances so far?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 18, 2015, 10:00:39 PM
Decent start by the new boys so far. Thought Quinn was tackling hard before going off at half time so assume he was injured. Mcnulty seems to be improving with games. Wouldn't be surprised if either of them got time come championship but it's early days yet. Pj lavery came on and looks very keen to get involved which i like in him. Small but definitely a classy player.

Sounds like Harte will go for a strong team on Wednesday, might not be far away from his league team. It'll need to be strong as I'd expect a fairly high tempo physical game on Wednesday for McKenna cup. Definitely one to look forward too more than the average McKenna cup game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maco on January 27, 2015, 11:25:34 AM
Anybody hear any reports from the Tyrone camp about 4 high profile players being dropped from the NFL panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on January 27, 2015, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: maco on January 27, 2015, 11:25:34 AM
Anybody hear any reports from the Tyrone camp about 4 high profile players being dropped from the NFL panel?
Contribute to the discussion and tell us what you've heard, otherwise your input is pointless
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maco on January 27, 2015, 11:57:52 AM
I have heard, 3rd party, that 4 players have been dropped. Obviously I don't want to name names just yet in case it is not true.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 27, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: maco on January 27, 2015, 11:57:52 AM
I have heard, 3rd party, that 4 players have been dropped. Obviously I don't want to name names just yet in case it is not true.

Maco, come on now... a lot of stuff on this board is rumour so don't use that as an excuse. If you have heard names then let us know, it is not like MH is gonna come and get you if you are wrong...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maco on January 27, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
Joe Mc Mahon
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Dermot Carlin

There ye have it. That's the names I have heard. I'm away into hiding....just in case MH comes calling!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on January 27, 2015, 12:40:59 PM
Heard the same but don't know if it's true. Has a Chinese whispers feel to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 27, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on January 27, 2015, 01:31:34 PM
I would lay low for a while Skeog, the grammar police are coming for you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleaflad on January 27, 2015, 02:52:13 PM
Joe Mc Mahon
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Dermot Carlin
Plunkett Kane

All gone from Tyrone squad for National League.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 27, 2015, 03:20:07 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 27, 2015, 02:52:13 PM
Joe Mc Mahon
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Dermot Carlin
Plunkett Kane

All gone from Tyrone squad for National League.

What would we do without the Derry lads to bring us the news?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on January 27, 2015, 04:04:31 PM
Think Joe is doing a PGCE atm which could be taking up a lot of his time currently, added to his age it is perhaps not surprising. Dermy has struggled with injuries so I guess thats the reasoning behind his omission. Both these men I would have on the panel for their experience and attitude. Donnelly and Kane I think fall into the category of good players but aren't going to start and they're probably not going to kick on further so maybe its better to have younger guys on the fringe of the squad who are hungrier to develop and push on at this point in their careers. The biggest one here is Coney, but he just has dissapointed time and again. Maybe the year out will be good for him and give him a push to kick on as it seems to have improved Niall McKenna as a player. Some of the lads who were excellent underage players maybe need to feel the shock that its not a given that they're going to be in the Senior set up and if you're not playing well you're not going to be carried.

My team for NFL opener would be.(Think Harte and Tierney may both be out - Concussion and Ankle but not 100% on that.)  1)Morgan 2)McCrory 3)McNamee 4)McCarron 5)McNabb 6)Donnelly 7)TMcCann 8)C.Cav 9)McNulty 10)PJLavery 11)McCurry 12)McShane 13)McAliskey 14)SeanCav 15) McKenna/RON (McKenna deserves it on last week but RON is a special talent but don't know where to play him that he will do damage at intercounty).

Think an Ulster title would be a great achievement this year. Think we're quite a bit away from AI contention, but I'd love to be surprised over the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bonkers09 on January 27, 2015, 05:39:34 PM
Difficult to predict the team for this weekend. Did Harte come off with a concussion on Saturday? Probably rules him out of this weekend.  I'd go for
1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McNabb
6. Donnelly
7. McCann
8. Cavanagh (Colm)
9. McNulty
10. Lavery
11. O'Neill
12. Hughes
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh (S.)
15. McKenna (N.)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on January 27, 2015, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: TF15 on January 27, 2015, 04:04:31 PM
Think Joe is doing a PGCE atm which could be taking up a lot of his time currently, added to his age it is perhaps not surprising. Dermy has struggled with injuries so I guess thats the reasoning behind his omission. Both these men I would have on the panel for their experience and attitude. Donnelly and Kane I think fall into the category of good players but aren't going to start and they're probably not going to kick on further so maybe its better to have younger guys on the fringe of the squad who are hungrier to develop and push on at this point in their careers. The biggest one here is Coney, but he just has dissapointed time and again. Maybe the year out will be good for him and give him a push to kick on as it seems to have improved Niall McKenna as a player. Some of the lads who were excellent underage players maybe need to feel the shock that its not a given that they're going to be in the Senior set up and if you're not playing well you're not going to be carried.

My team for NFL opener would be.(Think Harte and Tierney may both be out - Concussion and Ankle but not 100% on that.)  1)Morgan 2)McCrory 3)McNamee 4)McCarron 5)McNabb 6)Donnelly 7)TMcCann 8)C.Cav 9)McNulty 10)PJLavery 11)McCurry 12)McShane 13)McAliskey 14)SeanCav 15) McKenna/RON (McKenna deserves it on last week but RON is a special talent but don't know where to play him that he will do damage at intercounty).

Think an Ulster title would be a great achievement this year. Think we're quite a bit away from AI contention, but I'd love to be surprised over the summer.


I have yet to see RON be this special, very good club player but at county v average. For someone his size to compete in intercounty he needs to be either blisteringly quick and powerful like penrose, Darran o'sullivan, McBearty etc. and he just doesn't look to have either and to top it off seems to be bit of a mouth-piece from what I seen on that club run, McCurry is the the county premier forward at the minute, so hopefully stays fit for the season for the team to have any sort of run
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 27, 2015, 11:18:59 PM
Quote from: Bonkers09 on January 27, 2015, 05:39:34 PM
Difficult to predict the team for this weekend. Did Harte come off with a concussion on Saturday? Probably rules him out of this weekend.  I'd go for
1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McNabb
6. Donnelly
7. McCann
8. Cavanagh (Colm)
9. McNulty
10. Lavery
11. O'Neill
12. Hughes
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh (S.)
15. McKenna (N.)

Hopefully Harte will be fit and if so will get a starting spot somewhere. Justy has played very well in the McKenna cup and worth a place. All the players in the half forward line are good footballers but would like to see a bit more presence there. Ronan oneill to me looks like a corner forward or nothing. Hasn't the running ability for 11.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 28, 2015, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 27, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.

Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.

Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.

I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 28, 2015, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 28, 2015, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 27, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.

Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.

Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.

I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.

Very good point - I feel sorry for Coney and a few others who never seem to get a run of games that are afforded to other players. The likes of Coney, McAliskey, Niall McKenna, Rony O'Neill should be told you have 3 or 4 games whereby you will start, not be taken off unless injured and let us see what you can do - after that then we can make a fair judgement. It is difficult enough to hold a place on the Tyrone team without the fear that you will be first man off or you are looking towards MH all game to see if anyone is coming on...

Give these lads a fair crack at the whip and then they can have no complaints...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 28, 2015, 07:50:17 PM
Cutting Coney is a very poor decision imho. He was playing well with a run of games in the league a few years ago and scored 8 from play in Cork last year lets not forget. Previous poster is spot on. These players need a solid run knowing they won't get hooked and benched for the slightest mistake.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 28, 2015, 08:18:41 PM
I'm a bit disappointed about Coney getting the boot too. I just never felt he was given the run of games whereby a full picture of his ability at senior level could be assessed. His performance in Cork whet the appetite and was an insight into what he was capable of and I think we all were hoping he'd kick on from that. I suppose Mickey sees him every night in training and is making judgements based on more than just the 60 mins we see at the weekend. However, I'd be a bit worried that a few of the younger lads may meet the same fate. McNulty could be a great asset on the team but learning the ropes at midfield at inter county isn't easy and he will have a few below par games as he progresses. I hope Mickey can stick with him because he has the physique, power and ability to be a real asset in a position we have struggled in for a few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 28, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Has it been confirmed Coney was dropped or did he leave of his own accord? Tyrone supporters never appear too tolerant of bad performances from the team in any competition so I'm surprised so many are keen to play players no matter how they play.

Coney has had plenty of opportunities over the years when he's fit. Don't forget he missed a lot of time through injuries. I don't think his issues relate to a lack of game time. He looks great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences and a bit more physcial. It's hard to know whether that will improve going forward or not.

Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on January 28, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 28, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 29, 2015, 08:21:56 AM
A chance to plaay 15-16 games consistently with perhaps less expectation could be the making of him. He always struck me as a confidence player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 29, 2015, 09:02:05 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 28, 2015, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 28, 2015, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 27, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.

Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.

Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.

I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.

Very good point - I feel sorry for Coney and a few others who never seem to get a run of games that are afforded to other players. The likes of Coney, McAliskey, Niall McKenna, Rony O'Neill should be told you have 3 or 4 games whereby you will start, not be taken off unless injured and let us see what you can do - after that then we can make a fair judgement. It is difficult enough to hold a place on the Tyrone team without the fear that you will be first man off or you are looking towards MH all game to see if anyone is coming on...

Give these lads a fair crack at the whip and then they can have no complaints...

Exactly.  When players who aren't big favourites of the manager get the odd start they are looking over their shoulder for every minute they are on the pitch, and to remain on the pitch or get a start the next day they have to come up with a spectacular performance when in reality the odds on that performance happening are greatly reduced due to their lack of a consistent run and the obvious confidence that would be built with that.  There are some players in the panel who seem to get start after start irrelevant of performance, pretty unfair that others don't get the same chance.  Coney has struggled against tight defences and doesn't seem to have much ball running ability/pace, but in saying that there aren't any inter county forwards who thrive against the modern day tight defence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 29, 2015, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: trileacman on January 28, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 28, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.

Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on January 29, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2015, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: trileacman on January 28, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 28, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.

Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.

He's quite a similar player to suckie bell in Derry. Very good in their comfort zone of club football but haven't proved they have the mental strength to make the step up to county football. They both have a chance yet to make it but i have my doubts on both.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on January 29, 2015, 11:01:10 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2015, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: trileacman on January 28, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 28, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.

Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.

Heard from a Fermanagh man (And fellow poster on here) that Kyle left the grounds before the end of the game against Cavan so that may signal a bit of a rift. Not sure if this is the case or not but to me would explain things a bit as I don't believe Kyle would have been dropped from the panel otherwise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 29, 2015, 04:32:03 PM
he is not in photo at the end so he must have left the ground
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 29, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 29, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2015, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: trileacman on January 28, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 28, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.

Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.

He's quite a similar player to suckie bell in Derry. Very good in their comfort zone of club football but haven't proved they have the mental strength to make the step up to county football. They both have a chance yet to make it but i have my doubts on both.
Time will tell, but I think its time we were all a bit praiseworthy of the management this year.  Some of the younger players and those who were playing beneath themselves to date have made strides so Im happy.  Lets not doubt progress but encourage it ye miserable hoors.  Long way to go and of course Coney leaving is disappointing.  Am I wrong or have Carmen no representation this year now? Coalisland?  Errigal just 2. The face of Tyrone football is changing...   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on January 29, 2015, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 29, 2015, 09:02:05 AM
Exactly.  When players who aren't big favourites of the manager get the odd start they are looking over their shoulder for every minute they are on the pitch, and to remain on the pitch or get a start the next day they have to come up with a spectacular performance when in reality the odds on that performance happening are greatly reduced due to their lack of a consistent run and the obvious confidence that would be built with that. There are some players in the panel who seem to get start after start irrelevant of performance, pretty unfair that others don't get the same chance.  Coney has struggled against tight defences and doesn't seem to have much ball running ability/pace, but in saying that there aren't any inter county forwards who thrive against the modern day tight defence.

Who? Without any examples thats just a load of whataboutery. Are you saying McAliskey/RON/McKenna are only there because they're Mickey's favourites? Who are these forwards who are starting irrelevant of preformance?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2015, 09:22:13 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 29, 2015, 09:02:05 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 28, 2015, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 28, 2015, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 27, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.

Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.

Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.

I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.

Very good point - I feel sorry for Coney and a few others who never seem to get a run of games that are afforded to other players. The likes of Coney, McAliskey, Niall McKenna, Rony O'Neill should be told you have 3 or 4 games whereby you will start, not be taken off unless injured and let us see what you can do - after that then we can make a fair judgement. It is difficult enough to hold a place on the Tyrone team without the fear that you will be first man off or you are looking towards MH all game to see if anyone is coming on...

Give these lads a fair crack at the whip and then they can have no complaints...

Exactly.  When players who aren't big favourites of the manager get the odd start they are looking over their shoulder for every minute they are on the pitch, and to remain on the pitch or get a start the next day they have to come up with a spectacular performance when in reality the odds on that performance happening are greatly reduced due to their lack of a consistent run and the obvious confidence that would be built with that.  There are some players in the panel who seem to get start after start irrelevant of performance, pretty unfair that others don't get the same chance.  Coney has struggled against tight defences and doesn't seem to have much ball running ability/pace, but in saying that there aren't any inter county forwards who thrive against the modern day tight defence.

But if you weren't sure of your place in the team surely instead of looking of your shoulder you should be bursting a gut to try and prove yourself? Coney is not a new player and has played dozens of times for Tyrone. He has not proved himself consistently to earn the right to stay on when playing bad. It was his third appearance of the McKenna Cup and he hadn't played great in any of the games and struggled to win ball going his way. I'd doubt very much if he'd have imrpoved any in the 2nd half and maybe Harte was trying to give him a kick up the bum by taking him off. He had lost 2 or 3 balls during the first half that he should have won.

I do think Coney had a future on the panel and was a good squad player. He's still relatively young and wouldn't be surprised if he was back on the panel within the next few months. Maybe 3 or 4 months away is what he needs right now. But I don't think Harte can be blamed for him not fully making it or him walking away over not getting on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on January 29, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Disappointed with Coney's senior inter-county progression but that happens. He'll be a great player for Ardboe for a decade.

What about Harry og?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 29, 2015, 09:40:54 PM
coney to me is the sort of player who has 100% talent and only 50% commitment. harte  would rather have 100% commitment and 50% talent.so would I. players like coney are plentiful in tyrone. u have to be fit to hold on to the ball first time, or, call it what u want.it will make or break him. hopefully he will come back a lot better. the ball is in court now. it would be grt to see him bulk up, get the injuries cleared and mayb b invite back ltr in the yr or next year. I would say hes a lot more talented than Raymond mulgrew was but he has to work his bollix of from here on in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 31, 2015, 10:37:21 PM
hard to pinpoint what the hell happened in that 2nd half.completly wiped out around the middle section.1 player that is needed back is aidan cassisdy.thought pj and hughes were goin well but we just weren't getting any breaks.matty is the leader in that team and when he walked that was it.tierney had it tough out there tonite.monanghan were well set up and disciplined in the tackle.i said here before that poacher was the best coach in ulster, and when micky didn't go lookin about him says it all  really.theres more in that tyrone team and they will be hurting no doubt.canavan will be shrewder about it next yr.mayo and Dublin up next,two tough games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 31, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Awful awful stuff tonight. Played some decent stuff in first 15 or 20 minutes but after that they couldn't have played in any worse. I have no problem with us getting beat by a better team when we at least make a go if it. This tyrone team just seems to have too many players that don't have the balls for the battle. It's been the same at u21 level with good minors not stepping up at all. Harte would be an easy target but the players have to take a large portion of the blame too.

If this was a one off performance and you thought Harte wasn't bothered with little emphasis on the league it would be ok but it's happened to many times in recent games and we do care about the league. Kerry last year, Armagh last year etc, to many shocking performances with boys disappearing once it's put up to them.

I thought we were going to put last years poor performances and after the hurt from it that lot of the younger boys would look hard at themselves and push on this year. Was no encouraging signs. McKenna cup looks like another false dawn with the team quitting once intensity levels raised.

I really hope this is the last time we perform like that last year but very worried it's not. We couldn't win a ball in the middle and win no breaks. We seem to work on smart kickouts with no emphasis on the basics of winning hard dirty ball around the middle.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 01, 2015, 12:32:23 AM
I have to say when I started watching tyrone as a youngster they weren't much good but then I got to witness a great team in the noughties and I am glad I got to watch such a great team.... BUT I have to say the current tyrone team is absolute SHITE!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on February 01, 2015, 07:57:25 AM
Not enough leaders when the chips are down.As I watched last night's game I couldn't help but recall Owen Mulligan's comment that towards the end of his Tyrone career he thought too many of the new boys were just happy to get their Tyrone tracksuit and say they were a county player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 01, 2015, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 31, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Awful awful stuff tonight. Played some decent stuff in first 15 or 20 minutes but after that they couldn't have played in any worse. I have no problem with us getting beat by a better team when we at least make a go if it. This tyrone team just seems to have too many players that don't have the balls for the battle. It's been the same at u21 level with good minors not stepping up at all. Harte would be an easy target but the players have to take a large portion of the blame too.

If this was a one off performance and you thought Harte wasn't bothered with little emphasis on the league it would be ok but it's happened to many times in recent games and we do care about the league. Kerry last year, Armagh last year etc, to many shocking performances with boys disappearing once it's put up to them.

I thought we were going to put last years poor performances and after the hurt from it that lot of the younger boys would look hard at themselves and push on this year. Was no encouraging signs. McKenna cup looks like another false dawn with the team quitting once intensity levels raised.

I really hope this is the last time we perform like that last year but very worried it's not. We couldn't win a ball in the middle and win no breaks. We seem to work on smart kickouts with no emphasis on the basics of winning hard dirty ball around the middle.
one game into the league and we are ripping into harte and players already. Let's give it a few games folks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 01, 2015, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: rrhf on February 01, 2015, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 31, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Awful awful stuff tonight. Played some decent stuff in first 15 or 20 minutes but after that they couldn't have played in any worse. I have no problem with us getting beat by a better team when we at least make a go if it. This tyrone team just seems to have too many players that don't have the balls for the battle. It's been the same at u21 level with good minors not stepping up at all. Harte would be an easy target but the players have to take a large portion of the blame too.

If this was a one off performance and you thought Harte wasn't bothered with little emphasis on the league it would be ok but it's happened to many times in recent games and we do care about the league. Kerry last year, Armagh last year etc, to many shocking performances with boys disappearing once it's put up to them.

I thought we were going to put last years poor performances and after the hurt from it that lot of the younger boys would look hard at themselves and push on this year. Was no encouraging signs. McKenna cup looks like another false dawn with the team quitting once intensity levels raised.

I really hope this is the last time we perform like that last year but very worried it's not. We couldn't win a ball in the middle and win no breaks. We seem to work on smart kickouts with no emphasis on the basics of winning hard dirty ball around the middle.
one game into the league and we are ripping into harte and players already. Let's give it a few games folks.

Is it one game though?

To me it's 4 of 5 seasons plus 1 game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 03, 2015, 09:59:52 AM
Personally, i agree aswell in that this has been going on for a few years atleast 2 or 3, and that a change in management is needed at the end of this season.

Also have to agree with an earlier comment regarding how good of a coach Ryan Porter is, and from a few elder dromore men i know they couldnt speak any higher of the man. Harte was stupid not to approach porter and make him part of his team years ago considering the knowledge he has of tyrone football along with his great coaching skills.

Could anyone see malachy o'rouke and ryan porter being tyrone manager and trainer in next few years? even enxt year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 03, 2015, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on February 03, 2015, 09:59:52 AM
Personally, i agree aswell in that this has been going on for a few years atleast 2 or 3, and that a change in management is needed at the end of this season.

Also have to agree with an earlier comment regarding how good of a coach Ryan Porter is, and from a few elder dromore men i know they couldnt speak any higher of the man. Harte was stupid not to approach porter and make him part of his team years ago considering the knowledge he has of tyrone football along with his great coaching skills.

Could anyone see malachy o'rouke and ryan porter being tyrone manager and trainer in next few years? even enxt year?

Yes. 100%.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 03, 2015, 06:46:55 PM
Is Porter originally from Dromore?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 03, 2015, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2015, 06:46:55 PM
Is Porter originally from Dromore?

;D ;D ;D no, he's from omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 03, 2015, 10:26:11 PM
Harte is going to be there to the end of the season so no point talking about his position at this stage. Personally I'd rather get behind the team and worry about that later in the year. It's very easy to blame Harte for our poor form over last few years but there is a chance that we maybe just haven't been good enough. The new boys don't seem to have the desire and hunger you'd expect and that was also the case at u21 level. All the best players in tyrone are involved so that isn't the issue.

The thing that annoys me is that if tyrone had own well on Saturday night the boys calling for hartes head would be saying its only the league and too much emphasis is being placed on it. For all we know tyrone have changed there training approach with the aim of peaking in the summer and are currently in very heavy training. My guess is that wasn't the issue but at the end of day it'll be the championship the team is judged on.

I have hated in recent years though the way the team have folded in certain games and took bad beatings. That was never a character of tyrone teams in the past. Hopefully it won't happen again this year. No one minds defeats but the nature of Saturday was what was so annoying.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on February 03, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
Well summed up http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/77315/2/Tyrone_in_the_dark
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2015, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: shezam on February 03, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
Well summed up http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/77315/2/Tyrone_in_the_dark

Hard to disagree but this line from O'Rourke and now Canavan that Monaghan went man to man after 20 mins is false. Monaghan had 3 men around any Tyrone attacker in the second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on February 04, 2015, 11:45:59 AM
From Saturday nights game it is looking more and more as though Tyrone are certainly going to have a few difficult years ahead.  I feel Mickey has a very tough job ahead of him and I certainly do not feel it is his 'fault'.  Tyrone just don't have those physical players at their disposal nor those work horses that are prepared to go that extra few miles. 

We lack seriously in some areas and non more so than the middle third.  We don't have primary ball winners and in the past this was compensated with players who had the unbelievable skill, nohow, hunger and determination to win secondary possession in terms of break ball, tackling, harassing, blocking runs etc.  As Canavan commented, players with the hunger of P Jordan, B McGuigan, D Harte, B Dooher, E McGinley, K Hughes, C Holmes, C Gormley. M Penrose etc are just not evident anymore. 

A telling sign on Saturday night was when I watched Niall Morgan go on 3 or 4 attacking drives out of his defence and he actually passed at least 7-8 of his own Tyrone players and when he did look up he found himself in 'no mans land' with no one supporting him.  This surely shows the lack of drive, work rate and ambition in this existing squad of players.  Tyrone could struggle to gain any more than maybe 4 points in the league,  they will struggle with Donegal in Ballybofey in championship and quite possibly find it difficult in the qualifiers.  Though lets hope not.

A quarter final place in the championship is now not a given anymore,  but a bonus.  Tyrone to stay in division 1 in 2015 will be a major boost for building toward the future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 04, 2015, 12:21:23 PM
After an encouraging McKenna Cup campaign Saturday was an exterme blow to expectations for the year.  Maybe it will do no harm to rein in expectations (see 2008).  Tyrone get the warning early in the year that there is a lot more work needed and I dont think anyone can dispute that after naming a strong side was taken apart by a weakened Monaghan side missing many potential championship starters with their key man making a cameo appearance.  I would say Tyrone started 11 or 12 of the 15 that will play against Donegal. (Maybe im wrong)

Hopefully against Mayo we will see an improved performance.  Tyrone will have seen how good Mayo are watching their game vs Kerry.  Mayo cant really take much from Tyrone's performance other than it was poor and they will expect better. 

Support the team, Get down to Castlebar.  Tyrone also lost the supporter match with Monaghan supporters more vocal making their persence known in Omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 04, 2015, 05:35:29 PM

Is Porter originally from Dromore?

no doubt about it id say your a typical omagh man.go to the county games but club football not a clue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 04, 2015, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 04, 2015, 05:35:29 PM

Is Porter originally from Dromore?

no doubt about it id say your a typical omagh man.go to the county games but club football not a clue.
Porter is from Omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 06, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2015, 06:46:55 PM
Is Porter originally from Dromore?

Typical omagh person not knowing where people come from, even when its there own area or are you going to tell me the gallagher brothers are from omagh aswell?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 06, 2015, 06:47:38 PM
Club Nazis coming out of the woodwork. Having a young family and no longer living in the town reduces my awareness of these crucial details. I played with Omagh up to minor and have had no involvement in the club for years so it's handier to keep in with the county.

Youhavenofans, where are you from? Does your inability to spell and use the correct grammar represent everyone in your locality?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on February 09, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
Good to see a vast improvement from the Tyrone team yesterday.  Their tackling, harassing, defending in numbers, support play and work rate was the difference.  Hopefully they can continue to improve.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 09, 2015, 07:39:54 PM
Welll done lads. Great hunger, hunting in packs, disciplined tackling, that game had it all. I want to see the same against derry. Made the right call dropping ronie. Way to lazy to play that sort of game. Mcnammee stood up well. Justy was immense. Wat about McCurry eh. I mind watching an u21 final in Enniskillen one time and saying to myself that hed be a better prospect than  ronan oneill. Midfield still a huge worry. The only time u really felt confident about a kick out was when matty was targeted. Morgan obviously has peter ward as a role model. Knew wat he was at with  o shea that time to. Def only a yellow even at that. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 23, 2015, 02:59:07 AM
For any of you that will be down in Dublin on the night before the Croke Park game (Friday March 6th, with the game on Saturday March 7th, @ 7pm), we're having a bit of a (totally free) hooley in the Lansdowne Hotel (http://lansdownehotel.ie), where Brendan 'Bacon' Gallagher from Strabane will be regaling us all, with very able assistance on stage from a Tipperary crew too, with proceedings kicking off about 9pm. :) The Lansdowne have very generously reduced the price of their pints to €4 on the night too, so no excuses! ;)

www.tad.ie
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 26, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
Sounds good Fear
I might go myself
Will there be many birds at it?

I look forward to the Dublin v Tyrone game in Croker every few years.
I think we owe them wan.
I must buy some more paint for the hordes coming down.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FM_XHbV6Msw/VARY6IoZ3-I/AAAAAAAAAVw/tzJlre82Z8A/s1600/Tern_Roost_Sandymount_%2BStrand_2(Photo_John_Fox).jpg)

Hard to believe its 20 years since that ill fated AI final when Charlie Redmond got his red card appealed at record speed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 26, 2015, 10:06:35 PM
Trouble in the Rock camp after Croke Park suspended managers Niall and Paul Conway after abuse of official at Ballinasloe replay. Seems some club members not happy with the Derry lads at all... watch this space.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 02, 2015, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.

Its Harte that should be told to get lost.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 02, 2015, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.

Its Harte that should be told to get lost.

players say he lit on her on saturday nite. some boy alright. must be time for him to take the walk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on March 02, 2015, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on March 02, 2015, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.   

County board suffering financially at the hands of harte. The man who speaks to everyone else except players and rte. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 02, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
Can we keep this inhouse lads. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 02, 2015, 05:01:39 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 02, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
Can we keep this inhouse lads.

Why? To protect the dictator?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 06:28:16 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 02, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
Can we keep this inhouse lads.

the dogs in the street know about it rrhf. no doors left on the house.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 02, 2015, 07:06:56 PM
how much longer lads mrs jordan getting it in the neck due to the lack of a contract not the the demands of rte. if the sponsors are gone then his position is untenable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on March 02, 2015, 10:24:42 PM
Let's sack him and burn him at the stake for being forcefully passionate about an issue that's intertwined with the death of his daughter. Sad ba$tard$ yous are. Sure Micky's a stubborn man but my god can you not put yourself in his shoes on this issue.  Maybe you would not act the same way but I know some would here considering the grudges you hold against county board officials, etc. Mrs Jordans more than fit enough to battle her corner on this, would you say it if it was McLaughlin he said it to? I doubt it. Just because she's a female doesn't change a thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 03, 2015, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: TF15 on March 02, 2015, 10:24:42 PM
Let's sack him and burn him at the stake for being forcefully passionate about an issue that's intertwined with the death of his daughter. Sad ba$tard$ yous are. Sure Micky's a stubborn man but my god can you not put yourself in his shoes on this issue.  Maybe you would not act the same way but I know some would here considering the grudges you hold against county board officials, etc. Mrs Jordans more than fit enough to battle her corner on this, would you say it if it was McLaughlin he said it to? I doubt it. Just because she's a female doesn't change a thing.

No one said anything about the chair being a female if memory serves me right this issue has been debated for a few years now and its the main reason why Hunky Dorys left is it not? My issue with the whole debacle is the fact that Mickey Harte has taken a very painful personal issue and made it very public when he has stopped his backroom team and players from even talking to RTE. If I was Harte I would find it hard to deal with RTE myself but that does not give me the right to stop any other members of my team from talking to them.
As for the county sponsors they want their name out there seen at every chance and with RTE showing the biggest games they have a right to ask for a member of the Tyrone team to speak on tv after or before a game do they not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 03, 2015, 07:58:04 PM
Anyone know what was said exactly?
Would it not have been agreed before hand?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 03, 2015, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 03, 2015, 07:58:04 PM
Anyone know what was said exactly?
Would it not have been agreed before hand?

Of course they don't know what exactly was said Fuzz. But it doesn't stop them from commenting with complete authority.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 03, 2015, 08:17:59 PM
That's true Benny, we don't know for sure exactly what was said. But we do know the said incident did take place. For sure there is now very significant fragmentation between playing squad> to manager > to county board > external sponsors.
We've all heard it from enough sources, even if it is 3rd hand. Things can't & won't continue as they are. Something has to give.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 03, 2015, 09:17:14 PM
longballin methinks your missing the point. there is not one decent tyrone person on this forum or any forum for that matter that doesent in some way appreciate the personal difficulties that MH has faced you would need to be completely heartless to not. but this is a personal matter and is something the hartes need to deal with in their own way more than likely in the courtroom. how that equates to tyrone players not fulfilling media duties is beyond any rational argument. where would you draw the line at that rate every tabloid newspaper should be shunned for carrying the same stories. hunky dory didnt stand for the lack of exposure can you really expect somebody else. i wonder if tyrone were winning all-irelands would the omerta remain. the county board need to make a stand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 03, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
if he starts talking to his own players that would be a start. should show some respect for the chairwoman. she's a dam sight better than what went before as we know. he wont say sorry and he wont admit that hes wrong about dragging the players into it. our fella coney would still be about if he talked to him. its all going to end in tears and hes gona drag everyone down with him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 03, 2015, 10:02:08 PM
Whilst we have Mickey Harte as manager we need to accept the choices being made in relation to RTE. If the players choose not to speak at all / or ever that is their right to do so regardless. 
Yes it is a problem for others.
If Mickey ceases to be the manager that may or may not change for some.  Lets not make this problem bigger than it actually is.  We play the Dubs this weekend, that is a much bigger problem.   



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on March 03, 2015, 10:15:59 PM
Bo man, you're boy Coney's performances weren't much to write home about so I doubt he had that many people knocking his door down to stay.   You and longballin are presenting pub-talk rumours as facts now. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on March 04, 2015, 12:11:20 PM
Mickey not for budging on the RTE issue and it seems the players are backing his stance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 04, 2015, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 04, 2015, 12:11:20 PM
Mickey not for budging on the RTE issue and it seems the players are backing his stance.

Backing his stance or afraid to stand up against it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on March 04, 2015, 12:19:14 PM
Well I don't know which it is but looks like the boycott is gonna continue either way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on March 04, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
so what's happening with the sponsorship then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 04, 2015, 03:29:38 PM
Given Harte's track record of dealing with things and player-manager communication, I'd say it's a case of the fore-mentioned, whereby the current players probably realise if they make any kind of a backlash against his ruling they'll be dropped before they know it without any communication informing them so.

Which should not be the case in any group, players should be able to stand up for what they believe is right, even if that means being axed at the hands of the manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 04, 2015, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on March 03, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
if he starts talking to his own players that would be a start. should show some respect for the chairwoman. she's a dam sight better than what went before as we know. he wont say sorry and he wont admit that hes wrong about dragging the players into it. our fella coney would still be about if he talked to him. its all going to end in tears and hes gona drag everyone down with him.

Bo man no surprise you only appears when theres a chance to put the foot into mickey. We all prob want a change but it wont happen to end of the season at least. You couldn't wait to get the dig into Ciaran McLaughlin either. Just because he didn't bow down to ardboe doesn't make him any less of a man. As for coney (who I think as massive potential and will be grt player for tyrone hopefully) he made the desicision himself to go in and get changed and leave early after that game. When a player does that theres only gona be one outcome.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 04, 2015, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 04, 2015, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on March 03, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
if he starts talking to his own players that would be a start. should show some respect for the chairwoman. she's a dam sight better than what went before as we know. he wont say sorry and he wont admit that hes wrong about dragging the players into it. our fella coney would still be about if he talked to him. its all going to end in tears and hes gona drag everyone down with him.

Bo man no surprise you only appears when theres a chance to put the foot into mickey. We all prob want a change but it wont happen to end of the season at least. You couldn't wait to get the dig into Ciaran McLaughlin either. Just because he didn't bow down to ardboe doesn't make him any less of a man. As for coney (who I think as massive potential and will be grt player for tyrone hopefully) he made the desicision himself to go in and get changed and leave early after that game. When a player does that theres only gona be one outcome.

"doesn't make him any less of a man" lmao who's callin his manliness into question? rj is just a better woman for the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 04, 2015, 04:50:54 PM
It is sad that this is the way Mickey Harte is going to bow out of his managerial career with Tyrone whether at the end of the year or during it.
I have heard many stories about Mickey from when he was a player, to when he was with Glencull to when he was minor and then senior manager
Of course lots of pieces of the stories you have to wonder how true they are but there always seems to be a common thread of Mickey's way or nothing.
I think what RTE did to Mickey about Michaela was very very low and I don't know did they ever issue an apology or not so I was on Mickey's side when he made a stand with them. Especially how people like Brolly, Spillane and others often portray Tyrone over the last 10 years you can see why we would have issues with RTE here and there. The media however has a huge influence over the people's perceptions and for Tyrone squad not allowing to speak out and put their opinions forward with RTE I think is a huge disadvantage
For Mickey to DICTATE this to his players and now to his chairperson I think is a step too far.
It reminds me too much of the Roy Keane style of FEAR management that do what you want lads but remember I am the boss.

Whatever way Mickey leaves this year it will be with a lot of annoyed and disappointed people in his wake.
The lack of respect he has shown to our new chairperson very much goes against the whole image of what lots of people think he is really like.

All this is just my opinion folks and is not a FACT so don't shoot me for having an opinion. I hope Sat night doesn't see fans shouting at Mickey and giving him a hard time if we lose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on March 04, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 04, 2015, 04:50:54 PM
It is sad that this is the way Mickey Harte is going to bow out of his managerial career with Tyrone whether at the end of the year or during it.
I have heard many stories about Mickey from when he was a player, to when he was with Glencull to when he was minor and then senior manager
Of course lots of pieces of the stories you have to wonder how true they are but there always seems to be a common thread of Mickey's way or nothing.
I think what RTE did to Mickey about Michaela was very very low and I don't know did they ever issue an apology or not so I was on Mickey's side when he made a stand with them. Especially how people like Brolly, Spillane and others often portray Tyrone over the last 10 years you can see why we would have issues with RTE here and there. The media however has a huge influence over the people's perceptions and for Tyrone squad not allowing to speak out and put their opinions forward with RTE I think is a huge disadvantage
For Mickey to DICTATE this to his players and now to his chairperson I think is a step too far.
It reminds me too much of the Roy Keane style of FEAR management that do what you want lads but remember I am the boss.

Whatever way Mickey leaves this year it will be with a lot of annoyed and disappointed people in his wake.
The lack of respect he has shown to our new chairperson very much goes against the whole image of what lots of people think he is really like.

All this is just my opinion folks and is not a FACT so don't shoot me for having an opinion. I hope Sat night doesn't see fans shouting at Mickey and giving him a hard time if we lose.

Great post i agree 100%.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 04, 2015, 05:41:21 PM
From what I've heard recently as well the respect his old players used to have for him is rapidly falling away
I heard he had a recent run in with a very high profile ex player which again shows Mickey's head is not in a great place.

I suppose he feels backed into a corner and rather than know when is a good time to go he digs in his heels for a fight.

The other side is of course this from 2013 Indo article
Mickey Harte: Football helped me deal with Michaela tragedy
In a revealing interview with Pat Kenny on Newstalk, the All-Ireland winning manager opened up about the murder of his daughter Michaela McAreavey during her honeymoon in Mauritius in January 2011 and how he has coped with the grief since.

Since taking over as Tyrone boss, a number of tragedies have befallen the squad including the death of Paul McGirr following a minor gam, Cormac McAnallen's death from Sudden Adult Death Syndrome(SADS), the death of two siblings of Kevin Hughes in road accidents and the loss of Michaella.

"In times of trouble and times of strife, it (football) is a focus that you need to have outside of what is in front of you at this particular time," Harte said.

"When the tragedy which visited us comes upon you, and I know many people will be able to identify with this, it is such a dark cloud engulfs your life and there seems to be no way out but I think the hope I can give to people is with time the cloud begins to move.

"It may never go away, but it will move to the side. Therefore it doesn't dominate your thinking, it never goes away but you can manage it, you can be in control of when it has some degree of impact on your life. When you decide that life is still about living and you need to go on living, it is important for everyone else to be still there , to live life as best they can."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mickey-harte-football-helped-me-deal-with-michaela-tragedy-29548229.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/mickey-harte-football-helped-me-deal-with-michaela-tragedy-29548229.html)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 04, 2015, 06:53:51 PM
Puts life into perspective.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Traveller on March 04, 2015, 07:04:11 PM
At the end of the day RTE treated the Harte family disgracefully. It wouldn't have happened to a Dublin or Kerry manager in similar circumstances. Granted he was wrong to insult the Chairperson but why was she in the changing room? I wouldn't be Hartes biggest fan but agree with him on this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Traveller on March 04, 2015, 11:17:21 PM
She had no business in a changing room, it should have been sorted well in advance of that. Too many agendas in the County on all sides.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
RTE did not do anything regarding Michaela.. they were slagging Mickey for trying to dictate to them which commentator to use ie: Brian Carthy. Was ill thought out at the time and they have apologised but now we are in realms of vindictiveness from Tyrone...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 05, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 05, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
RTE did not do anything regarding Michaela.. they were slagging Mickey for trying to dictate to them which commentator to use ie: Brian Carthy. Was ill thought out at the time and they have apologised but now we are in realms of vindictiveness from Tyrone...

What, opening their 'skit' with 'Pretty Little Girl From Omagh' -- under the circumstances prevailing at the time, they could hardly have been more insulting and insensitive!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 05, 2015, 01:44:25 PM
Mickey is well within his rights not to talk to RTE as it's a very personal thing however not to let anyone else talk is holding Tyrone back and from what I hear could cost them a major sponsorship deal.

Now I know some will say - well he's said that the players are allowed to talk if they wish but apparently they don't want to talk to RTE due to "Loyalty" - kind of reminds me of North Korea - can anyone guess who the Kim Jong il is in this situation????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Idea of 'loyalty' kind of goes out the window when you consider players retire and then go on RTE.. indicates was pressure to not speak.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 05, 2015, 03:54:14 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 05, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Idea of 'loyalty' kind of goes out the window when you consider players retire and then go on RTE.. indicates was pressure to not speak.

Have to agree with this - it is not loyalty - it is peer pressure in as if you defy MH your county career will go downhill under his management.

Rumour has it that MH phoned an ex player now analysing on RTE occasionally and asked him to refuse to do it and take the MH stance - he told Harte where to go and how dare he try to tell him what to do. At least that is how the story goes anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 05, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 05, 2015, 07:34:24 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on March 05, 2015, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 05, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
RTE did not do anything regarding Michaela.. they were slagging Mickey for trying to dictate to them which commentator to use ie: Brian Carthy. Was ill thought out at the time and they have apologised but now we are in realms of vindictiveness from Tyrone...

I actually only heard the RTE piece this morning for the first time - was very tongue in cheek and maybe the insensitivity comes more from exceptionally bad timing. But I totally get why MH is offended....its only natural given what he had to go through at the time

Mickey, brian cody, justin mcnulty and a bunch of other managers had sent a 4 page letter to RTE questioning why they had not replaced Micheal O 'M with Brain Carthy - and in fairness to RTE, its nobody else business how they do what they do and they will hardly ever take direction from a bunch of football managers...media in general were also questioning Mickey being a PR outlet for anti-abortion and Sean Quinn, which would not have sat well with the Dublin middle classes...

And now its just a mess that Tyrone have no access to the national broadcaster - how did that ever happen?

Lets not rewite history. It was widely accepted at the time that Micky wrote the letter and got a few managers he was friendly with to put their names to it. He was very friendly with Brian Carty and took offence at his failure to get promotion which Micky said he had been promised. What a journalist on RTE did subsequently was to poke fun at Micky trying to interfere in internal appointments in RTE. The sketch was obviously clumsy and ill timed and noone can blame Micky for being hurt and still taking offence. On the other hand most reasonable people would accept that the journalist wasnt being deliberately malicious and for the whole Tyrone gaa setup to still be boycotting RTE is a bit ridiculous and short sighted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 05, 2015, 08:27:08 PM
could we not have an actor saying the words
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2015, 09:05:58 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 05, 2015, 08:27:08 PM
could we not have an actor saying the words

Yeah censorship RTE are good at that been known to do it in the past.

On another note. Why is Mickey O Neill peter hughes Emmett mc kenna boys like that still on the county panel. Why cant they get a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 05, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
Harte got criticised last year for playing so many players so he can't really win.  Peter Hughes started a good few McKenna cup games and first day of leagues so has got games. Emmet McKenna started loads last year including a few championship games. Opportunities limited this year but has never taken his chances .

Oneill is a good keeper but probably not as good a a Morgan. Plenty of keepers up and down country have to accept being the number 2. Hopefully he does push on and challenge Morgan over next few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on March 05, 2015, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on March 02, 2015, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.   

County board suffering financially at the hands of harte. The man who speaks to everyone else except players and rte.




I disagree . With all the success Tyrone had under Micky Harte didn't he start bringing big crowds through the turn styles to see the teams play? If it comes down to Micky Harte vs RTE I'm sticking by my fellow Gael. As regards not speaking to players there has to be some line of communication at least with instructions, tactics team plays etc? Can you give me an example?   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 05, 2015, 11:14:30 PM
According to reliable sources, Roisin Jordan and Mickey Harte ended up having an aggressive argument with each other at the County Management meeting on Tuesday. Apparently others had to literally stand between them.

The CB needs to put it's foot down and get rid of MH is he doesn't play ball. They should be in control not him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 05, 2015, 11:37:47 PM
It's a tough one. Everyone understands Mickey's stance. But just as everyone in RTE didn't sanction that piece, not everyone should shun them.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 05, 2015, 11:57:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 05, 2015, 11:37:47 PM
It's a tough one. Everyone understands Mickey's stance. But just as everyone in RTE didn't sanction that piece, not everyone should shun them.
fcuk them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 06, 2015, 12:14:42 AM
A quare Tyrone response.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 06, 2015, 08:12:17 AM
Agh sure listen.  Would any of you guys supporters sponsors anyone be in the least bit offended if harte was still winning all Irelands.   I think it is time for a bit.of honesty here?  What changes if Rte interviews are given.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:13:23 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on March 05, 2015, 11:14:30 PM
According to reliable sources, Roisin Jordan and Mickey Harte ended up having an aggressive argument with each other at the County Management meeting on Tuesday. Apparently others had to literally stand between them.

The CB needs to put it's foot down and get rid of MH is he doesn't play ball. They should be in control not him.

The County board should run the teams?
Should club committees also run the club teams?

If the CB get a Manager to run a team he should be able to run it how he sees fit without interference. They had a ll winter to change Managers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:14:06 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 05, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Idea of 'loyalty' kind of goes out the window when you consider players retire and then go on RTE.. indicates was pressure to not speak.

Or unity within the squad!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on March 05, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?

Which sponsor?

EDIT: Just seen this. http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/tyrones-rte-stand-off-set-to-continue/
Would seem strange that McAleer & Rushe were not aware of Mickeys stance when signing up. Or were they told something else in private?
Given their business I had assumed they were primarily sponsoring the team to support the County rather than for the the advertising.
With sponsors like KerryGold, Arnotts, Supermacs, Rocwell, Hunky Dorys it is about getting the brand recognition. I would have bought a bag of Hunky Dorys and a bottle of Rocwell ahead of a bag of Tayto and a bottle of Tipperary Sping water.
No one watching TSG thinks "I must get them boys to build me a hotel"

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 06, 2015, 08:32:56 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on March 05, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?

Which sponsor?
Has to be McAleer & Rushe surely?

Now that the time may be closer than we think, who actually would replace Mickey Harte if he resigned? Dooher or Laurence Strain maybe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on March 06, 2015, 08:44:44 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on March 05, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?

Which sponsor?

EDIT: Just seen this. http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/tyrones-rte-stand-off-set-to-continue/
Would seem strange that McAleer & Rushe were not aware of Mickeys stance when signing up. Or were they told something else in private?
Given their business I had assumed they were primarily sponsoring the team to support the County rather than for the the advertising.
With sponsors like KerryGold, Arnotts, Supermacs, Rocwell, Hunky Dorys it is about getting the brand recognition. I would have bought a bag of Hunky Dorys and a bottle of Rocwell ahead of a bag of Tayto and a bottle of Tipperary Sping water.
No one watching TSG thinks "I must get them boys to build me a hotel"

A fairly significant package from McAleer and Rushe and a serious intent to continue support over the next few years - all agreed in october last year with the caveat that TYRONE COMMUNICATED with ALL media...THAT meant "anyone or someone" speaking to RTE - not Harte - and it was agreed by the county board that all would be ok....also quoted in the irish news about 6 weeks ago as the same
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 06, 2015, 08:50:03 AM
Mickey says the players are free to speak to RTE. Sean Cavanagh, as captain & a fella slandered by RTE himself in the Brolly debacle, should throw them a few words on Saturday night & it'll be forgotten about soon after. Sure I could tell ye Seans interview here & now anyway - he's been giving the same clichéd answers since 2001.
Sean is too important a player for MH to drop, and sure anyway Mickey is in his last few months of the job. He will be gone by the end of July.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DermyTDredi on March 06, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: God14 on March 06, 2015, 08:50:03 AM
Mickey says the players are free to speak to RTE. Sean Cavanagh, as captain & a fella slandered by RTE himself in the Brolly debacle, should throw them a few words on Saturday night & it'll be forgotten about soon after. Sure I could tell ye Seans interview here & now anyway - he's been giving the same clichéd answers since 2001.
Sean is too important a player for MH to drop, and sure anyway Mickey is in his last few months of the job. He will be gone by the end of July.

Fair point - i'd say that sean would be hoping for a career in Media when he retires - a spot on Second Captains, sure you know the craic
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 06, 2015, 10:49:17 AM
When I heard the news on this and I got it in quite good detail from a good source I was totally shocked and thought that is the straw that broke the back and maybe the whole thing was even expected to happen and Ms Jordan was brought on board with maybe even this in mind that it would come to her having to intervene. Only my own viewpoint

I heard another story about how Harte treated an ex player recently and was totally shocked that that too.
So I expected the board this week to be totally disgusted with Harte and there is no way for him to continue now but alas there are still a few who think this is only about him not talking to RTE. Its goes a lot deeper than that and a lot further back than that.
Mickey has always been used to getting things his own way and even when he makes a mistake he's not the type to say sorry or I was wrong there IMHO.
He has stood on a lot of toes over the years and I think NaomhBridAbú sums it up very well in his bullet points. HUGE lack of respect for other people's opinions.

Fair play to Roisin Jordan for standing up to him and I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at that CB meeting this week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 06, 2015, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: God14 on March 06, 2015, 08:50:03 AM
Mickey says the players are free to speak to RTE. Sean Cavanagh, as captain & a fella slandered by RTE himself in the Brolly debacle, should throw them a few words on Saturday night & it'll be forgotten about soon after. Sure I could tell ye Seans interview here & now anyway - he's been giving the same clichéd answers since 2001.
Sean is too important a player for MH to drop, and sure anyway Mickey is in his last few months of the job. He will be gone by the end of July.

I have it on authority that Mickey told RJ that Sean Cavanagh won't be speaking because Joe Brolly hurt his feelings on the RTE panel which made me cast my mind back to that incident that day and the interview Sean gave to Colm Parkinson at the side line immediately after the match when Parkinson relayed what Brolly had just said minutes before - he laughed it off and gave it one of the 'Joes one of the guys' BS he usually comes out with.

Something doesn't add up here!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Birdseed on March 06, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
What has changed with RTE that now merits Mickey Harte or the Tyrone County Board to change their stance. From memory the Tyrone PRO has repeatedly berated RTE for their handling of all coverage of Tyrone County and Club football. What have RTE done in the last 6 months to bring about a change of policy from MH or Tyrone GAA? RTE are bullies and expect everyone to bow down to their demands. What respect does an organisation that peddles nothing but bile about our wonderful game deserve. Do any of you actually listen to what RTE say about Gaelic Football (and 6 county football in particular)? Its nothing but biased, uninformed, sensationalist hyperbole. What they say about amateur players, managers and officials while sitting in their Ivory studios (and getting well paid) is a disgrace. The GAA should take a leaf out of MHs book and stand up to RTE. Money is the real issue here. The speculation about a pissed off sponsor is being used to have another go at MH. That is shameful. Do real Gales really believe that his relationship with RTE should sully the reputation of one of the greatest GAA men Tyrone has ever produced???
RTE over Mickey Harte.....are you for real!!!????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 06, 2015, 01:07:48 PM
Welcome on board mickey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 06, 2015, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: Birdseed on March 06, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
What has changed with RTE that now merits Mickey Harte or the Tyrone County Board to change their stance. From memory the Tyrone PRO has repeatedly berated RTE for their handling of all coverage of Tyrone County and Club football. What have RTE done in the last 6 months to bring about a change of policy from MH or Tyrone GAA? RTE are bullies and expect everyone to bow down to their demands. What respect does an organisation that peddles nothing but bile about our wonderful game deserve. Do any of you actually listen to what RTE say about Gaelic Football (and 6 county football in particular)? Its nothing but biased, uninformed, sensationalist hyperbole. What they say about amateur players, managers and officials while sitting in their Ivory studios (and getting well paid) is a disgrace. The GAA should take a leaf out of MHs book and stand up to RTE. Money is the real issue here. The speculation about a pissed off sponsor is being used to have another go at MH. That is shameful. Do real Gales really believe that his relationship with RTE should sully the reputation of one of the greatest GAA men Tyrone has ever produced???
RTE over Mickey Harte.....are you for real!!!????

So you think that sponsors who pay a bucket full of money for exposure should not get exposure on the largest broadcaster in Ireland, and we as a county should continue to allow ourselves to painted negatively, without as much as a player to promote our county on the same broadcaster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on March 06, 2015, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: Birdseed on March 06, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
What has changed with RTE that now merits Mickey Harte or the Tyrone County Board to change their stance. From memory the Tyrone PRO has repeatedly berated RTE for their handling of all coverage of Tyrone County and Club football. What have RTE done in the last 6 months to bring about a change of policy from MH or Tyrone GAA? RTE are bullies and expect everyone to bow down to their demands. What respect does an organisation that peddles nothing but bile about our wonderful game deserve. Do any of you actually listen to what RTE say about Gaelic Football (and 6 county football in particular)? Its nothing but biased, uninformed, sensationalist hyperbole. What they say about amateur players, managers and officials while sitting in their Ivory studios (and getting well paid) is a disgrace. The GAA should take a leaf out of MHs book and stand up to RTE. Money is the real issue here. The speculation about a pissed off sponsor is being used to have another go at MH. That is shameful. Do real Gales really believe that his relationship with RTE should sully the reputation of one of the greatest GAA men Tyrone has ever produced???
RTE over Mickey Harte.....are you for real!!!????

::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 06, 2015, 04:25:52 PM
Up the Middle I always enjoy your posts even if its just a smilie
Sometimes I even read the text on the right as well.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on March 06, 2015, 08:44:44 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on March 05, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?

Which sponsor?

EDIT: Just seen this. http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/tyrones-rte-stand-off-set-to-continue/
Would seem strange that McAleer & Rushe were not aware of Mickeys stance when signing up. Or were they told something else in private?
Given their business I had assumed they were primarily sponsoring the team to support the County rather than for the the advertising.
With sponsors like KerryGold, Arnotts, Supermacs, Rocwell, Hunky Dorys it is about getting the brand recognition. I would have bought a bag of Hunky Dorys and a bottle of Rocwell ahead of a bag of Tayto and a bottle of Tipperary Sping water.
No one watching TSG thinks "I must get them boys to build me a hotel"

A fairly significant package from McAleer and Rushe and a serious intent to continue support over the next few years - all agreed in october last year with the caveat that TYRONE COMMUNICATED with ALL media...THAT meant "anyone or someone" speaking to RTE - not Harte - and it was agreed by the county board that all would be ok....also quoted in the irish news about 6 weeks ago as the same

I think the key here is who agreed and Told M&R there would be communication? If it was Mickey and he is reneging his position should be untenable, if it was someone else making promises they could not back up to get M&R to sign then they should be hung out to dry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 06, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
I would be very surprised if the players don't want to do interviews themselves. We need PR from them otherwise its always siege mentality.
Like it or not the media control the public perceptions.
Kids at my Dublin GAA club think Tyrone are a bunch of cheats based on the Sean Cavanagh incident and Joe Brolly's analysis.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 06, 2015, 09:39:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2015, 10:49:17 AM
When I heard the news on this and I got it in quite good detail from a good source I was totally shocked and thought that is the straw that broke the back and maybe the whole thing was even expected to happen and Ms Jordan was brought on board with maybe even this in mind that it would come to her having to intervene. Only my own viewpoint

I heard another story about how Harte treated an ex player recently and was totally shocked that that too.
So I expected the board this week to be totally disgusted with Harte and there is no way for him to continue now but alas there are still a few who think this is only about him not talking to RTE. Its goes a lot deeper than that and a lot further back than that.
Mickey has always been used to getting things his own way and even when he makes a mistake he's not the type to say sorry or I was wrong there IMHO.
He has stood on a lot of toes over the years and I think NaomhBridAbú sums it up very well in his bullet points. HUGE lack of respect for other people's opinions.

Fair play to Roisin Jordan for standing up to him and I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at that CB meeting this week.

You don't need to be a fly on the wall. Sure posters on here will be able to tell you EXACTLY what happened given their reliable sources or fellas they were talking to.  ::)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 06, 2015, 10:50:32 PM
With the meeting taking place in front of club delegates within 24hours the world and his wife would know what happened roughly!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 07, 2015, 10:17:55 AM
Any fellow tyrone supporters need tickets for tonight? Have 4 lower hogan , ended up with more than I need.. Heading down to dublin around 2...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 07, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
Grt result. We always play well v the dubs.Hopefully thats the politics left to one side and we can  all all get behind the team till the end of the year.who knows were it will take us
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 07, 2015, 09:12:40 PM
Agreed.  Well done mic key and the team.  Great interview after.   To hell with rte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 07, 2015, 09:41:04 PM
great gutsy display hopefully barry tierney hasnt suffered a serious injury looked horrible
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 07, 2015, 09:55:16 PM
Yes very unfortunate
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 07, 2015, 11:26:42 PM
Did look bad on the replays.
Great result from a low base. 3/4 from Mayo & Dublin v 1/4 from Derry & Monaghan.
Not sure where we are going but still hoping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 08, 2015, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 05, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
Harte got criticised last year for playing so many players so he can't really win.  Peter Hughes started a good few McKenna cup games and first day of leagues so has got games. Emmet McKenna started loads last year including a few championship games. Opportunities limited this year but has never taken his chances .

Oneill is a good keeper but probably not as good a a Morgan. Plenty of keepers up and down country have to accept being the number 2. Hopefully he does push on and challenge Morgan over next few years.

It's debatable that Morgan is even the "Best" keeper in Edendork!!!

O'Neill a far better shot stopper, stays between the posts where he is supposed to, accurate kick outs and from what I hear, performing better at training. I myself am surprised he is still hangin around, considering MH has always rotated his keepers until this years League
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 08, 2015, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Club boi on March 08, 2015, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 05, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
Harte got criticised last year for playing so many players so he can't really win.  Peter Hughes started a good few McKenna cup games and first day of leagues so has got games. Emmet McKenna started loads last year including a few championship games. Opportunities limited this year but has never taken his chances .

Oneill is a good keeper but probably not as good a a Morgan. Plenty of keepers up and down country have to accept being the number 2. Hopefully he does push on and challenge Morgan over next few years.

It's debatable that Morgan is even the "Best" keeper in Edendork!!!

O'Neill a far better shot stopper, stays between the posts where he is supposed to, accurate kick outs and from what I hear, performing better at training. I myself am surprised he is still hangin around, considering MH has always rotated his keepers until this years League

Right enough, Mickey rotated the keepers in the league up until Morgan came on the scene, O'Neill getting very few run outs at all
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 11:11:18 PM
There's people who no longer want Harte as manager using his rte interview thing as an excuse to get giving him abuse. Let's face it the average tyrone fan couldn't care less if there was interviews with rte after these games.  In fact they'd be more than happy with the situation if we were winning all Ireland's.

The funny thing about this big issue of not talking to rte and the damage it's doing the sponsors is that rte don't show the league games cause they don't give a crap about the league. So any interview is more for the radio and there would be no exposure for the sponsor anyway. They do the league Sunday show in fairness but interviews are very light. Tonight Gavin was on for about 20 seconds and you didn't see the Dublin sponsor on his jumper.

I personally feel a big drama is made over very little given any exposure from the interviews is so limited. I'd prefer a situation where our county board and sponsor was supporting the county manager and team and not causing unnecessary distractions.

I know fuzzman and a few have said that the stance is leading to us getting a hard time from rte but I don't think it makes one bit of difference. They gave tyrone serious abuse right throughout the 2000s when the team did interviews. Puke football, orourke eating his hat etc.

Also let's not forget the way sean cavanagh was victimised by them 2 years. A complete over the top sensationalist rant against an amateur sportsman. He might have shrugged it off initially but he did say later it was very difficult for his family and caused hassle in work. I have heard that the players don't want to speak to rte and I would not be surprised if it was the case.

Let's concentrate on the football and getting behind the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 11:20:00 PM
On another note isn't it great to see 'nephew' Harte and 'brother' colm playing so well against one of the top teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DermyTDredi on March 10, 2015, 09:52:20 AM
Funny game - 11 wides and 4/5 dropped short into Dublin keeper....a few ifs and buts and that game would have left the papers saying that Gavin and Dublin were under more pressure and Tyrone were on the ascendancy....?
And the monaghan game all but forgotten....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 10, 2015, 04:29:52 PM
RHS, do you really think RTE has no influence over the GAA public's perceptions?
Do you not notice how many people depend on pundits opinions to help them judge a game for themselves?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 16, 2015, 12:13:40 AM
RTE not sending any cameras to omagh today to cork game? Is this due to the snub or am I reading too much into it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 16, 2015, 05:18:16 PM
Anyone got any idea of the starting under 21 team for Wednesday night. Apparently the county board have thrown a lot of support into the campaign
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 16, 2015, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on March 16, 2015, 05:18:16 PM
Anyone got any idea of the starting under 21 team for Wednesday night. Apparently the county board have thrown a lot of support into the campaign

What do you mean? Loads more cash than normal?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 16, 2015, 06:17:27 PM
There are some exceptions but a lot of the time rte only show highlights of games that have been on Setanta or tg4 at the weekend and don't bother with the league. So I don't think them not sending cameras was anything to do with Harte but more there indifference to the gaa from October to May.

Positives and negatives from yesterday. Thought we put in a really good first half and worked hard and as a team throughout. We did run totally out of steam with 15 to go. The game plan on that omagh pitch obviously had a big impact. It is only match and no one would want to team to peak yet so hopefully there will be a bit more in the tank come championship.

The two areas that require most work are scoring and breaking ball. We're missing to many frees and dropping to many short from open play. We really need cavanagh Donnelly and Harte go start getting more on the score board. Mcaliskey was excellent in the first half yesterday but doesn't have the engine for the current game plan. He either needs to be excused of tracking back so far out the pitch or used as an impact sub with 30 to go.

Breaking ball from kickouts has to be a priority and has been an issue for at least 3 years. We aren't getting in positions to win breaking ball. Teams push up on our kickouts and we end up kicking to an isolated player with 3 or 4 opposition around them. We need to get back to basics and get more men around the ball.

Overall plenty to work on but I do think we're going to right road and our a lot further ahead with a settled team and plan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 16, 2015, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 16, 2015, 06:17:27 PM
There are some exceptions but a lot of the time rte only show highlights of games that have been on Setanta or tg4 at the weekend and don't bother with the league. So I don't think them not sending cameras was anything to do with Harte but more there indifference to the gaa from October to May.

Positives and negatives from yesterday. Thought we put in a really good first half and worked hard and as a team throughout. We did run totally out of steam with 15 to go. The game plan on that omagh pitch obviously had a big impact. It is only match and no one would want to team to peak yet so hopefully there will be a bit more in the tank come championship.

The two areas that require most work are scoring and breaking ball. We're missing to many frees and dropping to many short from open play. We really need cavanagh Donnelly and Harte go start getting more on the score board. Mcaliskey was excellent in the first half yesterday but doesn't have the engine for the current game plan. He either needs to be excused of tracking back so far out the pitch or used as an impact sub with 30 to go.

Breaking ball from kickouts has to be a priority and has been an issue for at least 3 years. We aren't getting in positions to win breaking ball. Teams push up on our kickouts and we end up kicking to an isolated player with 3 or 4 opposition around them. We need to get back to basics and get more men around the ball.

Overall plenty to work on but I do think we're going to right road and our a lot further ahead with a settled team and plan.

How did morgan play. Few reckon mickey oneill should get a go. Were the frees missed long way out. Didn't get but to match cork indeed lead for most of the game would indicate we not far of the top table. next 3 games I suppose will tell us more. Looking forward to wed night. Fermanagh normally not upto much but this is the same group that won the mcrory a few years ago. They could be dangerous but id like to think wed be tuned into that. il have a stab at the team.Only a guess.
1   fox- killyclogher
2 r mullen - Carmen?
3 r brennan-trillick
4 r Kelly-trillick
5 k mcgeary-pomeroy
6 m Cassidy-ardboe
7 p McKenna-donghamore
8 c mcshane -roes
9  maculey Quinn-stewardstown
10 f bruns-pomeroy
11 m Kavanagh-errigal
12 r mcglone-agahloo
13 l brennan-trillick
14 r sludden-dromore
15 m Bradley-kllyclogher
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 16, 2015, 07:46:30 PM
I'd say that'll be very close to the starting 15 redzone. I'd expect Mathew Walsh to be included somewhere in the forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 16, 2015, 08:24:31 PM
What about Danny mc nulty, is he still injured? Would conor Meyler not be close either?
A lot of good players on that panel. No pressure fergal 😄
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 16, 2015, 08:27:32 PM
Forgot about meyler. One of the first names on the team sheet too.

As far as I know, big Dan still struggling with back injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 16, 2015, 08:47:45 PM
Is paudie hampsey still under 21 also, Ciaran mc Laughlin too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on March 16, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 16, 2015, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 16, 2015, 06:17:27 PM
There are some exceptions but a lot of the time rte only show highlights of games that have been on Setanta or tg4 at the weekend and don't bother with the league. So I don't think them not sending cameras was anything to do with Harte but more there indifference to the gaa from October to May.

Positives and negatives from yesterday. Thought we put in a really good first half and worked hard and as a team throughout. We did run totally out of steam with 15 to go. The game plan on that omagh pitch obviously had a big impact. It is only match and no one would want to team to peak yet so hopefully there will be a bit more in the tank come championship.

The two areas that require most work are scoring and breaking ball. We're missing to many frees and dropping to many short from open play. We really need cavanagh Donnelly and Harte go start getting more on the score board. Mcaliskey was excellent in the first half yesterday but doesn't have the engine for the current game plan. He either needs to be excused of tracking back so far out the pitch or used as an impact sub with 30 to go.

Breaking ball from kickouts has to be a priority and has been an issue for at least 3 years. We aren't getting in positions to win breaking ball. Teams push up on our kickouts and we end up kicking to an isolated player with 3 or 4 opposition around them. We need to get back to basics and get more men around the ball.

Overall plenty to work on but I do think we're going to right road and our a lot further ahead with a settled team and plan.

How did morgan play. Few reckon mickey oneill should get a go. Were the frees missed long way out. Didn't get but to match cork indeed lead for most of the game would indicate we not far of the top table. next 3 games I suppose will tell us more. Looking forward to wed night. Fermanagh normally not upto much but this is the same group that won the mcrory a few years ago. They could be dangerous but id like to think wed be tuned into that. il have a stab at the team.Only a guess.
1   fox- killyclogher
2 r mullen - Carmen?
3 r brennan-trillick
4 r Kelly-trillick
5 k mcgeary-pomeroy
6 m Cassidy-ardboe
7 p McKenna-donghamore
8 c mcshane -roes
9  maculey Quinn-stewardstown
10 f bruns-pomeroy
11 m Kavanagh-errigal
12 r mcglone-agahloo
13 l brennan-trillick
14 r sludden-dromore
15 m Bradley-kllyclogher

I would expect dan mc nulty paudie hampsey connor meyler all to start
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 16, 2015, 09:47:13 PM
yeah forgot about a few. some squad we have. is big dan over his injuries. never really seen much of hampsey play only once or twice, meylers a good player. is a grugan u 21? Again we seem to be producing a smaller type player. Not much you can do about that. just play the hand ure dealt really. I will be watchin the line closlely to see how big a say wee peter has. Logan has worked with this group at underage so he should know the players inside out. nothing better than a midweek championship match
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 16, 2015, 10:12:27 PM
I wont b watching Pete closely, nothing to watch. Great great player who isnt going to cut it in management. Took Errigal to nothing, mc guckian comes in and wins a championship, takes fermanagh, totally crap, look what Mc Grath is now doing. Won a championship with Cavan gaels is like winning a championship with st galls in Antrim i.e. Anyone could do it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 16, 2015, 10:34:02 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on March 16, 2015, 10:12:27 PM
I wont b watching Pete closely, nothing to watch. Great great player who isnt going to cut it in management. Took Errigal to nothing, mc guckian comes in and wins a championship, takes fermanagh, totally crap, look what Mc Grath is now doing. Won a championship with Cavan gaels is like winning a championship with st galls in Antrim i.e. Anyone could do it

I suppose I agree that Peter Canavan's record has not exactly set the world alight but just clarify what Pete McGrath has done at Fermanagh in his time so far to earn your admiration? A mediocre div 3 league campaign and a championship loss to Antrim and first round qualifier defeat in 2014 hardly warrants praise in comparison to anyone's record. He's started well enough this term but hasn't really done enough yet to be suggesting he's making better use of the players at his disposal than Canavan did.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 16, 2015, 10:42:42 PM
Looks like Mc Grath is taking Fermanagh into division two, never those All Ireland's he has won at Sen and minor county football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 16, 2015, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on March 16, 2015, 10:42:42 PM
Looks like Mc Grath is taking Fermanagh into division two, never those All Ireland's he has won at Sen and minor county football.

Is he? There's a long way to go before you can confirm their promotion and somehow rating Canavan's record in Fermanagh by quoting McGrath's All Irelands with Down is just a little bit silly. The truth is that Fermanagh are a busted flush with limited resources and to hang Canavan on that record is harsh - remember he did get them promoted. So that leaves us with the record at Errigal where, if I'm not mistaken he won the league twice, some might say the foundations were laid for McGuckin, who hasn't exactly set the world alight since that first victory. So actually, his record isn't too bad, I'd be confident he would have something positive to add to the u21 set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 17, 2015, 06:53:46 AM
couldnt imagine conor meyler and ciaran mclaughlin not starting in  the u21 team redzone and mcgarrity possibly the galbally lad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 09:23:23 AM
on canavan. bennys right. he took errigal to the league a few times and def laid the foundations for errigal.daisy wouldn't play for him and that was the one player extra that they needed. the island beat them in dungannon the year they won it in the first round and errigal had 16/17 wides that day.i think errigal were beat by the eventual winners everytime under canavan. with Fermanagh again laid the founds, (ryan mccluskey said they had never experienced as high a level of management) but again a player wouldn't play for him in seamie quiqley.(headcase anyway). they nearly got promoted out div3 but just missed out narrowly. brought a championship to cavan gaels who hadn't won one in quite a few years. id say hes a good manager. the only thing that blackened his name was the massive money he had to get to go to Fermanagh and gaels. suppose if there foolish enough to hand it over that's there problem. Pete McGrath by all accounts is more or less just getting basic mileage allowance and would be a grt manager. look how long hes in the game. Fermangh would give any ulster team a game of it on there day and would be dangerous on the easy side of the usfc            MAN MARKER  id say you probably played in the reserves again errigal then yous had a few injuries and you were threw onto pick up canavan. (manager knew what he was doing and decided to put some manners on this young cub man marker).He made you sick with sidesteps and the ultimate humiliation u were subbed of again.   After that game u were christened the man marker. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) That's the only logical reason I can think of as why you don't like the wee  genius. :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 17, 2015, 07:36:08 PM
Go on, feel free to put in bold the post where I said I didn't like him. He won't cut it at inter county management. If you want to win a championship in football go St Galls, Cavan Gaels or  Ballinderry. I literally laughed myself to tears reading he put Fermanagh in good staed for wee Pete Mc Grath, couldn't get him out the door quick enough with terrible football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on March 17, 2015, 08:23:31 PM
Total Bullshit. Nearly every Fermanagh player will credit PTG for taking them on miles even if it didn't result in silverware.  Set the foundations for next man in PMG who is also a serious operator. But for Man Marker to say PTG won't cut it at management level is laughable.  Is he going to put his credentials out there?  LOL.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 17, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
You are entitled to your opinion, but after reading many of your overly optimistic posts on how successful Antrim could be if only this or that was done, I will stick with my observations. But let me say I would be delighted if he turns out to be a success with Tyrone, thst would be great, but cant see it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2015, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: bannside on March 17, 2015, 08:23:31 PM
Total Bullshit. Nearly every Fermanagh player will credit PTG for taking them on miles even if it didn't result in silverware.  Set the foundations for next man in PMG who is also a serious operator. But for Man Marker to say PTG won't cut it at management level is laughable.  Is he going to put his credentials out there?  LOL.

Sorry bannside but wee Pete was left with a fair few players who walked away after Peter quit. Wee Pete was left a mess to clear up and very few foundations. 
Peter took us from division  4 to division 3 after the shambles of the John O'Neill year where everybody en mass walked away.

Canavan had an excellent set up. Great backroom team.
But his decision making during games wasn't great.

He will probably have learnt a lot from his Fermanagh experience and I would say will be a lot wiser for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: North Man on March 17, 2015, 09:09:07 PM
I watched Peter C at the Cavan Gaels v Slaughtneil Ulster Club game in Owenbeg
From being a giant in his playing days he was a small lost boy in this game.
I would have serious reservations if he is going to cut it at management level, his name will only carry so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 09:43:22 PM
Yeah that  slaughneil match. Football is easy managed from the stands. Dont agree that he left
a mess behind him and few foundations. Why did so many players think so highly
of him then. The fact that players left after he quit is hardly his fault.james sherry work
commitments, mccabe soccer.id say look at the players
he brought through
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2015, 09:48:28 PM
Peter was the manager that gave Eoin Donnelly his chance.
Played him wing half forward instead of midfield
Name the rest of the players he played and brought though?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
D mccusker,tomas corrigan. BIG UNIT. Eoin donnelly
Clucker, mccabe.the list is endless as half the team walked during oneill time
Fermanagh were in disaray before he came and hes deserves credit for wat he done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on March 17, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
No Fermanagh supporter I know would let Canavan back near a Fermanagh team again if he did the job for nothing. I think that says it all. Tyrone U21s should beat Fermanagh out the gate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2015, 10:18:54 PM
Corrigan and mcccusker played under o Neill in London.
I was there unfortunately.

As I said Canavan brought Eoin Donnelly in.

Big unit is  a reference to Seamie I think who played under O Rourke and Clucker and McCabe both played for numerous Fermanagh managers before Peter.
Sean Quigley probably got his debut under Canavan but he was always going to be called in as he was just out of minor in Canavans first year

No doubt Fermanagh were in disarray when he took over.
We were at the bottom of the barrel.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:19:51 PM
Yeah thats the supporters. The players thought othetwise. Sure if the tyrone supporters had there way harte a 3 time all ireland winner would be gone. What did paudie o shea say about supportets
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:24:50 PM
All im sayin fermgael is if tyrone player couldnt play his best football for canavan there would be somrthing wrong with him. Hes a walking legend down here. Good luck in the year ahead. Tipping yous to get to the ulster final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: North Man on March 17, 2015, 10:25:31 PM
Redzone
There is a big ? mark over Peter C becoming a top class manager
Hopefull he will
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on March 17, 2015, 10:31:54 PM
Yes huge questions marks over Canavan's coaching and tactical awareness. Very negative boring gameplan and poor decisions during games. Players were treated really well but performances on pitch were poor. Pete McGrath has unexpectedly for many really improved Fermanagh and is getting great credit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2015, 10:35:17 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:24:50 PM
All im sayin fermgael is if tyrone player couldnt play his best football for canavan there would be somrthing wrong with him. Hes a walking legend down here. Good luck in the year ahead. Tipping yous to get to the ulster final

I would agree with that about Canavan.  He should inspire your players.

As for an Ulster final place, I will take a first round win over Antrim.
That's the priority.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:41:51 PM
Yeah agree hes a not a top manager and mightn be. Time will tell. Any team he has went to has improved from him being there thats for sure.Fermgael you better not boo him tomorrow night, he only took about 120g of yous over 2yrs   >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 17, 2015, 11:07:46 PM
Have Tyrone named a team yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on March 18, 2015, 09:39:24 AM
My stab at the Tyrone un21 team tonight, know most of the lads really well and from what people are saying i also think ciaran mclaughin and meyler will both start, also i wouldnt be surprised if dan mc nulty also starts at full forward. Big question over the team is midfield and where to play rory breenan and cathal mc shane. I think paudie hamspey is a cert for full back as logan and dooher really like him, which i cant blame them, so where do you play rory breenan? from last year he struggled at full back against cavan so id say either half back or at midfield. Cathal Mc Shane is another, i dont think he best position is midfield but with the lack of quality at midfield i think they will play him here, ideally id play him at wing half forward instead of matty walsh

1. Sean Fox (Killyclogher)
2. Ruiari Mullan (Cookstown)
3. Paudie Hamspey (Coalisland)
4. Ciaran Mclaughlin (Omagh)
5. Michael Cassidy (Arboe)
6. Rory Breenan (Trillick)
7. Kieran Mc Geary (Promeroy)
8. Cathal Mc Shane (Owen Roes)
9. Frank Burns (Promeroy)
10. Mathew Walsh (Dungannon)
11. Mark Kavanagh (Errigal)
12. Conor Meyler (Omagh)
13. Ruairi Sludden (Dromore)
14. Dan Mc Nulty (Clonoe)
15. Mark Bradley (Killyclogher)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 18, 2015, 12:27:47 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:41:51 PM
Yeah agree hes a not a top manager and mightn be. Time will tell. Any team he has went to has improved from him being there thats for sure.Fermgael you better not boo him tomorrow night, he only took about 120g of yous over 2yrs   >:(

Glad you finally agreed with me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on March 30, 2015, 09:09:49 AM
Made the journey to Ballybofey yesterday,  bleak situation Mickey finds himself in with only a few short weeks to revisiting Donegal on the same sod again.  Hard to envisage the tables getting turned with a Tyrone win in May.  On the face of things it seemed we lacked any type of strategy, at best it was haphazzard. There seemed no plan on how to break down the 15 man Donegal blockade, certainly nothing new about Donegals game plan in last 4 years.  Our counter attack lacked pace, precision and cutting edge, it was laboured, predictable and Donegal could easily choke our attack to death.  70-80% of Donegal scores came from over-turned ball on a Tyrone attack.  We seemed extremely weak in the tackle and certainly there appeared no spear head for our forward attack. The forward fist pass process to the full forwards wasnt possible against the Donegal defensive blockade.  It would have taken a sonar device on the ball to make its way into them.  I wonder if Tyrone would have opted for some height within their Full Forward line and test an 'isolated' Donegal full back line, by whipping quick and fast high diagonal ball into the scoring zone on the counter attack,  it might have yielded something, at a minimum the high ball would have cut out at least 12 defenders if nothing else.  Mickey and his back room staff find themselves again in dark waters,  I sincerely hope he can turn this one around as it will be extremely hard to stomach another defeat to Donegal in Ballybofey in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on March 30, 2015, 10:41:54 AM
Out-thought, out-muscled, out-played. Tyrone in a very bad place, as the man says
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 30, 2015, 04:13:21 PM


Quote
Quote from: Sunny Day on March 30, 2015, 09:09:49 AM
Made the journey to Ballybofey yesterday,  bleak situation Mickey finds himself in with only a few short weeks to revisiting Donegal on the same sod again.  Hard to envisage the tables getting turned with a Tyrone win in May.  On the face of things it seemed we lacked any type of strategy, at best it was haphazzard. There seemed no plan on how to break down the 15 man Donegal blockade, certainly nothing new about Donegals game plan in last 4 years.  Our counter attack lacked pace, precision and cutting edge, it was laboured, predictable and Donegal could easily choke our attack to death.  70-80% of Donegal scores came from over-turned ball on a Tyrone attack.  We seemed extremely weak in the tackle and certainly there appeared no spear head for our forward attack. The forward fist pass process to the full forwards wasnt possible against the Donegal defensive blockade.  It would have taken a sonar device on the ball to make its way into them.  I wonder if Tyrone would have opted for some height within their Full Forward line and test an 'isolated' Donegal full back line, by whipping quick and fast high diagonal ball into the scoring zone on the counter attack,  it might have yielded something, at a minimum the high ball would have cut out at least 12 defenders if nothing else.  Mickey and his back room staff find themselves again in dark waters,  I sincerely hope he can turn this one around as it will be extremely hard to stomach another defeat to Donegal in Ballybofey in a few weeks time.

yeah it wasn't good, reminded me of the monaghan game. we recovered after that so the Kerry game should be a great battle. I wouldn't totally write the team of yet. if Kerry beat us by 10/11 points next week then I would be worried.  they were very well organised and are near experts at this defenisive game. they continually fouled/stopped tyrone out the field in second half when we had the wind, and stopped the man taking a quick free until they got organised, whether it was by holding onto the mans hand after the whistle was blew or simply tapping the ball away a few yards, it all helps.id say they are the most cynical team ive seen.mcquillan never caught onto any of this but in fairness u need help from linesmen and umpires which never happened. even a man taking a free for a score they were roaring at him as he was takin the free which def isn't allowed. to put matty in fullforward in the second half just didn't work. ronan oneill should have stayed on, maybe he was injured. im sure he would have kicked a few in the second half. justy was the only player that came out of it with any credit. McCarron tried hard as did McNamee. at least the lads know nothing but a 9/10 performance from them all in 8 weeks time will get us over the line.

Will we do away with the blanket for the champ match. I think we should. Go man to man and push up on them up the field. It will take a furious workrate by the forwards and if we can get ahead of them early on they will have to come out and attack. Your only playing into donegals hands by playing a defensive game in ballybofey

   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on March 30, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
Agree 100% with you Redhand on the refereering aspect to yesterdays game,  the problem with this lies with the inconsistency of refereering.  What is a tackle and what is not a tackle?  Each referee has completely different interuption to a tackle.  How is this then coached technically by trainers/coaches?  Its outside the control of players and Management. Without question,  Tyrone full back line has been extremely consistent in this league campaign and I have been impressed by McNamee, McCrory and McCarron over the games.  You correctly point out the cuteness of Donegal,  but on the flip side of that,  Tyrone should be well aware of these small areas of Donegals game and by now we should be trying to counter act these in some shape or form. As mad a suggestion it might be but is it time to move away from the skin tight tops and back to older more loose styled top to accentuate the quick pull back by opponents that now goes un-noticed, unbooked?   Michael Murphys frees again could be looked at, would there be any possibility of putting him off his stride?  I did notice (I stand corrected if wrong) that Michael Murphy kicked a free wide in the second half, third quarter,  but seconds before his kick Peter Harte walked across the path of the ball (intentionally or not, I'm unsure).  Two years ago Donegal focused on Morgans kicks,  this year Tyrone need to be coming with new ideas, new forward thinking strategies to counter act Donegals strong points. It will be difficult in Ballybofey at the best of times, but a no show would be unbearable.  It will be a great battle in Healy Park come Sunday another massive yardstick for Tyrone to measure against the 2014 All Ireland Champions. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 01, 2015, 02:13:45 AM
Quote from: Sunny Day on March 30, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
Agree 100% with you Redhand on the refereering aspect to yesterdays game,  the problem with this lies with the inconsistency of refereering.  What is a tackle and what is not a tackle?  Each referee has completely different interuption to a tackle.  How is this then coached technically by trainers/coaches?  Its outside the control of players and Management. Without question,  Tyrone full back line has been extremely consistent in this league campaign and I have been impressed by McNamee, McCrory and McCarron over the games.  You correctly point out the cuteness of Donegal,  but on the flip side of that,  Tyrone should be well aware of these small areas of Donegals game and by now we should be trying to counter act these in some shape or form. As mad a suggestion it might be but is it time to move away from the skin tight tops and back to older more loose styled top to accentuate the quick pull back by opponents that now goes un-noticed, unbooked?   Michael Murphys frees again could be looked at, would there be any possibility of putting him off his stride?  I did notice (I stand corrected if wrong) that Michael Murphy kicked a free wide in the second half, third quarter,  but seconds before his kick Peter Harte walked across the path of the ball (intentionally or not, I'm unsure).  Two years ago Donegal focused on Morgans kicks,  this year Tyrone need to be coming with new ideas, new forward thinking strategies to counter act Donegals strong points. It will be difficult in Ballybofey at the best of times, but a no show would be unbearable.  It will be a great battle in Healy Park come Sunday another massive yardstick for Tyrone to measure against the 2014 All Ireland Champions.

That's actually a good point re the jersies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on April 01, 2015, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 01, 2015, 02:13:45 AM
Quote from: Sunny Day on March 30, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
Agree 100% with you Redhand on the refereering aspect to yesterdays game,  the problem with this lies with the inconsistency of refereering.  What is a tackle and what is not a tackle?  Each referee has completely different interuption to a tackle.  How is this then coached technically by trainers/coaches?  Its outside the control of players and Management. Without question,  Tyrone full back line has been extremely consistent in this league campaign and I have been impressed by McNamee, McCrory and McCarron over the games.  You correctly point out the cuteness of Donegal,  but on the flip side of that,  Tyrone should be well aware of these small areas of Donegals game and by now we should be trying to counter act these in some shape or form. As mad a suggestion it might be but is it time to move away from the skin tight tops and back to older more loose styled top to accentuate the quick pull back by opponents that now goes un-noticed, unbooked?   Michael Murphys frees again could be looked at, would there be any possibility of putting him off his stride?  I did notice (I stand corrected if wrong) that Michael Murphy kicked a free wide in the second half, third quarter,  but seconds before his kick Peter Harte walked across the path of the ball (intentionally or not, I'm unsure).  Two years ago Donegal focused on Morgans kicks,  this year Tyrone need to be coming with new ideas, new forward thinking strategies to counter act Donegals strong points. It will be difficult in Ballybofey at the best of times, but a no show would be unbearable.  It will be a great battle in Healy Park come Sunday another massive yardstick for Tyrone to measure against the 2014 All Ireland Champions.

That's actually a good point re the jersies.

nonsense, the reverse would be the case to highlight any pulling, a baggy jersey would do nothing only leave you more open to getting pulled and hauled and go unnoticed.. 'mon boys if we didn't have skins sure there'd be no point in getting a six pack a tall a tall
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 01, 2015, 01:14:41 PM

"Will we do away with the blanket for the champ match. I think we should. Go man to man and push up on them up the field. It will take a furious workrate by the forwards and if we can get ahead of them early on they will have to come out and attack. Your only playing into donegals hands by playing a defensive game in ballybofey"


Isnt that what Dublin did last August? Go man to man & push up the field? Tactically I cannot see how Tyrone can possibly get out of Ballybofey with a win. Donegal are masters at the defensive game and will prevail if we decide to sit deep and get men behind the ball. Equally if we push up we will get slaughtered.

It sounds crazy, but id put the 3 best fielders of a ball in a 3 man forward line. Sean Cav, Clarke & Joe McMahon for example. Hoof occasional ball directly into them - high, direct & early. Deploy the rest of the team in a 12 men behind the ball in the zonal defensive strategy. You have effectively a half back line of about 8 men here. Id select in this position the best long range kickers in the squad - McAlisky, McCurry & the likes - over more traditional traditional defenders like McNabb, McCrory & grafters like Tiernan McCann. When you defend in such numbers your defensive skills arnt tested as much, its more the ability to swarm. These lads need to be kicking points accurately at 45M, or delivering fast accurate ball into the 3 forwards.
The 12 defenders need to either kick the ball early to the full forward line (Plan A) or work a shooting chance in under 4 passes amongst themselves (Plan B). If your taking more than 4 hand passes - your playing into Donegals hands.
Another thing - don't contest the kickouts. Again overload team selction with men who can kick points from distance, over the likes of Colm Cavanagh (who in a different tactical battle may well be the first name on the teamsheet)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 01, 2015, 01:31:53 PM
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey

Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on April 01, 2015, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: God14 on April 01, 2015, 01:31:53 PM
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey

Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke

God14 - do you know something the rest of us don't..? K.Coney and M.Donnelly aren't even on the panel so unless they are back or due to be invited back they will not feature v Donegal....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 01, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 01, 2015, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: God14 on April 01, 2015, 01:31:53 PM
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey

Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke

God14 - do you know something the rest of us don't..? K.Coney and M.Donnelly aren't even on the panel so unless they are back or due to be invited back they will not feature v Donegal....

Mattie Donnelly is on the Panel. & Kyle Coney should be also. As I said it was "my team" for Donegal id be entitled to put whoever I liked on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on April 01, 2015, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: God14 on April 01, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 01, 2015, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: God14 on April 01, 2015, 01:31:53 PM
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey

Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke

God14 - do you know something the rest of us don't..? K.Coney and M.Donnelly aren't even on the panel so unless they are back or due to be invited back they will not feature v Donegal....

Mattie Donnelly is on the Panel. & Kyle Coney should be also. As I said it was "my team" for Donegal id be entitled to put whoever I liked on it.

God14 - apologies, I thought you meant Mark Donnelly and forgot about Mattie - yes he should definitely be on any team. As regards Coney, I agree 100% with you but unfortunately the man that counts disagrees with us on this one - Coney is a quality player.

It was 'your team' as you correctly state but like the rest of us we could pick teams with players that MH has dropped, forgot about or ignores and that is when they are on the panel...

All told it will take a super performance from whatever team is selected to come out of Donegal with a victory in a few weeks time....

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on April 01, 2015, 03:42:11 PM
How is Joe McMahon getting on with his studies,  I'm wondering if he is worth carrying on the panel for the Donegal game, he's a guy that brings immense experience and 'grit' and goes without saying, he's a leader. I'm wondering if Gavin Devlin could bring Kyle Coney back into the fray?  There is certainly a argument for him to be 'coaxed' back to county football.  Management must be considering every possibility since Sunday last.  Niall McKenna is another option that might or could be worked on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 01, 2015, 04:12:22 PM
yes god 14 Dublin did go man to man and were looking like they were going to run away with after 15 min. they didn't take they scores and some very naïve defending cost them. I thing one thing is for sure u need to get ahead of Donegal early on, don't concede goals and make them come out and play.

will joe have a role to play. it will be hard coming in to play championship football having not played any league at his age.

Donegal aren't world beaters. they have it all to lose and tyrone are massive underdogs and sometimes that can hold a team back. at the end of the day lacey is the only natural defender they have. they are an oldish team but extremely cute at the dark arts. push up and go man to man. its something they wont be used to.obv have to win midfield/breaks but that is were the hunger will come in. im sure the lads wont let us down

sunny day unfortunately id say  the ship as sailed for coney as regards this year but u never know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on April 02, 2015, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: Sunny Day on April 01, 2015, 03:42:11 PM
How is Joe McMahon getting on with his studies,  I'm wondering if he is worth carrying on the panel for the Donegal game, he's a guy that brings immense experience and 'grit' and goes without saying, he's a leader. I'm wondering if Gavin Devlin could bring Kyle Coney back into the fray?  There is certainly a argument for him to be 'coaxed' back to county football.  Management must be considering every possibility since Sunday last.  Niall McKenna is another option that might or could be worked on.

Joe mc mahon and dermy carlin are both back training with tyrone at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 07, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on April 07, 2015, 05:32:53 PM
Disappointed Dwayne Quinn left the panel, couldn't really care about the other three going as they had plenty of chances and were far from impressive. Quinn found it tough to get into the defence but in fairness I think they defence has been pretty good in the league (aided by the system of course). I hope Micky drafts in a few U21s when they are finished up. Their freshness would be no bad thing to bring into the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on April 07, 2015, 09:58:47 PM
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 11:47:25 PM
Before the watershed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on April 07, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 07, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

Yeah, go ahead and enlighten us how sitting on a bench all season, playing max of 60 mins and then missing 5 starred games with the club will help you develop as a player. Answers on a stamp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DermyTDredi on April 08, 2015, 08:40:13 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on April 07, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 07, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

Yeah, go ahead and enlighten us how sitting on a bench all season, playing max of 60 mins and then missing 5 starred games with the club will help you develop as a player. Answers on a stamp.

+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on April 08, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 07, 2015, 09:58:47 PM
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG


The show is set to last an extra 45 minutes than normal due to all his stuttering and stammering whenever he was asked a question.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 08, 2015, 12:05:52 PM
what a disgusting comment max payne go and get yourself versed in how a stammer or speech impediment can affect people or better still dont comment
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on April 08, 2015, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: Max Payne on April 08, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 07, 2015, 09:58:47 PM
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG


The show is set to last an extra 45 minutes than normal due to all his stuttering and stammering whenever he was asked a question.

Sure next time you see someone in a wheelchair go over and have a good laugh at them!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on April 08, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
With the recent departures of lads from the Tyrone panel what is now the panel count?  Is there 30 plus players readily available?  You would need 30 plus players to be able to play in house games for the next six weeks in preparation of the Donegal game.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on April 08, 2015, 01:10:48 PM
Quote from: Sunny Day on April 08, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
With the recent departures of lads from the Tyrone panel what is now the panel count?  Is there 30 plus players readily available?  You would need 30 plus players to be able to play in house games for the next six weeks in preparation of the Donegal game.

Some club lads get drafted in to play in these.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on April 08, 2015, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: skeog on April 08, 2015, 12:05:52 PM
what a disgusting comment max payne go and get yourself versed in how a stammer or speech impediment can affect people or better still dont comment

Hes a bumbling fool. If it was anybody else bar Ricey I would have sympathy for them but speech impediment or otherwise, it never affects him too badly when he is gubbing on a football field. Disgusting sums him up perfectly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 08, 2015, 05:40:02 PM
good one max, I did laugh at that one.no harm but there's a hell of a lot of men from that tyrone team who should be on it before him. a good footballer but not anywhere near a legend.

good to have you back man marker. all im sayin is that surely they went in to the setup at the start of the year knowing that they would have very little roles to play. its the same on every county team, you will have 20 players that will play the games and the other boys will be there to make training competive. theres a flip side to that though and if you are showing well at training  then you may well get a chance at some stage, you will just have to bide your time. one player who I think has shown this and proved he is upto the task is pj lavery. hes kept his head down kept at it and any time he has got game time hes worked like a demon and proved hes upto the task, and if I was picking the team id nearly have him in corner forward for the championship.fair play to yea pj.

As for the lads not developing by being on the county panel, laughable that. cant understand that at all. surely the mere fact of being involved the other county players, training with them and being coached by a multiple all Ireland winning manager would bring anybody on. At the end of the day they would only be missing 3/4 starred games, in the grand scheme of things not that much. but if their not happy its their choice. I think the harsh reality is they just aren't upto county standard

good luck to the lads tonite
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on April 08, 2015, 05:56:33 PM
Playing is the only way you develop, coaching is only relevant if you play so you can copper fasten what you have been coached into proper game/ pressure situations. Therecr players who have sat on that Tyrone bench and their game has went backwards, Peter Donnelly is a very obvious example

Mickey don't do the coaching, hasn't in a while
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on April 08, 2015, 06:03:01 PM
Quote from: Max Payne on April 08, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 07, 2015, 09:58:47 PM
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG


The show is set to last an extra 45 minutes than normal due to all his stuttering and stammering whenever he was asked a question.

Max if you don't like the man, say it, no one will get offended by that, but don't make fun of some ones disability, you come across as ignorant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on April 08, 2015, 06:36:19 PM
good luck to the 21s tonite. Hope they sort out that outfit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 09:31:23 PM
Important win tonight. Well done lads!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 08, 2015, 10:26:51 PM
Well done team and management.  an important milestone in the comeback for Tyrone football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 08, 2015, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on April 07, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 07, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

Yeah, go ahead and enlighten us how sitting on a bench all season, playing max of 60 mins and then missing 5 starred games with the club will help you develop as a player. Answers on a stamp.

There is some logic in this for mcguigan and Mcneice who have been there years and not made it but doesn't really make sense for Quinn. It was his first year on panel and surely you'd have to expect a fight on your hands to make the team and that it might take time? He played in 2 or 3 McKenna cup games then got injured and then got a start when back from injury in the league. He didn't do enough to hold down a place that day but who knows in the future.

On a different note it was a super win for the u21s tonight, very good all round team performance. Let's hope they can step up at all ireland level now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 09, 2015, 09:57:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on April 07, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

That's a lot of forwards we have lost from last years panel.  Off the top of my head...
Stephen O'Neill
Martin Penrose
Mark Donnelly
Emmet McKenna
Ciaran McGinley
Shea McGuigan
Paddy McNiece
Kyle Coney

We are only an injury or two away from a crisis.

Youd imagine the management would be taking a serious look at Dan McNulty. He offers something completely different to our prototype small nippy forwards. He has struggled with injuries in recent times but the talent & athleticism is clear for all to see. If he could avoid injury he would be the one that I could see making the step up this year.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 09, 2015, 10:05:49 AM
Quote from: God14 on April 09, 2015, 09:57:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on April 07, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

That's a lot of forwards we have lost from last years panel.  Off the top of my head...
Stephen O'Neill
Martin Penrose
Mark Donnelly
Emmet McKenna
Ciaran McGinley
Shea McGuigan
Paddy McNiece
Kyle Coney

We are only an injury or two away from a crisis.

Youd imagine the management would be taking a serious look at Dan McNulty. He offers something completely different to our prototype small nippy forwards. He has struggled with injuries in recent times but the talent & athleticism is clear for all to see. If he could avoid injury he would be the one that I could see making the step up this year.

I believe Ciaran McGinley has transferred back to Errigal from Fulham Irish in London, I wonder will we see him back again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on April 09, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
As far as I know,  S McGuigan was only called into the Tyrone set up at the beginning of the 2014 year (I think).  At best he is only with the county senior set up for 15/16 Months max,  I certainly dont think he has been there as years.  I do agree that being part of the Tyrone set up or any county set up will contribute to a players development both mentally and physically and as noted,  a County player should only miss 4 or 5 starred club games at best during any given year.  Having a club player on the county set up automatically gives the club a boost in my opinion and naturally creates a leader/leaders on the pitch for club teams.

Great win for the U21's last night, super game.  Its great to get the win so close to the 1st round of the senior championship.  It just might be the first little edge needed. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 09, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
congrats to the lads last nite, grt team performance. mcshane was brilliant first half and really took the game to Donegal. 2 brennans were outstanding and big dan was the back to his best. there's no real individual stars on this team but just a savage work rate from them. the Roscommon match will be the acid test. great to be n he pitch afterwards watching tyrone lift an ulster title. The joy on peoples faces was unreal, especially the older generation.

a word on the ref who I thought had a good game. at u21 level there is no pressure on refs and they aren't afraid to give out black cards if they are warranted. advantage rule was applied numerous times and he came back after 5 seconds if didn't work out. theres no doubt having watched the Donegal and Kerry games there should have been 8/9 black cards which weren't given. you have the same refs mcquillqn,paudie hughes etc who ref the big games the way they think it should be and players no what they will get away with. if the rules were applied correctly or as near it there wouldn't be much wrong with the game.

well done fergal logan, agreat servant to tyrone football.
wee word on peter the grt, and dooher two legends. how many ulster titles have they between them now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
PJ Lavery gone now also!!
Pressure from Damien Cassidy? Both PJ & D. Quinn both going.

All is clearly not well in the senior squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on April 09, 2015, 10:43:15 PM
I suspect this reaction from many of the squad players is on the back of Joe Mcmahons appearance on Sunday. They were probably already frustrated at not playing, but when someone (albeit a quality player) returns for 1 week training and immediately gets on, its sure to annoy the players even more. I'd say Lavery was on the verge of starting. He must have made an appearance in most league games this season. Has Mickey O'Neill returned to the county panel? Could he be the next to depart?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on April 09, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Shocking that PJ has followed suit, I heard whispers all day that this was about to happen. Cassidy must be putting serious pressure on the Clonoe lads. He has a point if their not in the first 18 he wants them available but every county needs a squad.  Continues to make a farce of the starred game set up. 2 Cavanaghs should withdraw say they want to make themselves available for Moy or the Omagh Contignent say club first see what happens next. Clonoe, Ardboe, Coalisland and Eglish all benefit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on April 10, 2015, 07:57:27 AM
Surprised to see Lavery go, he stuck it out last year and was getting some opportunities this year. I hope it not down to a Derry man forcing club before County.

For the past few years Harte has been getting criticized for not having a settled team. Now by finally trying to do that he is limiting the opportunities for the greater squad. Unless there is an exceptional team spirit and belief that the team is on the verge of something great no man wants to sit on a bench and sacrifice himself for the greater good.
Harte and the 03 team had that with his u-18/u-21 success but the majority of the squad no longer have that belief that comes with success together.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on April 10, 2015, 08:56:23 AM
Sad that these lads have left.  It takes 30 plus players to build a team of 15. During the 2000's club players it was recognised by many of our great players it took every last player to push the starting 15 to the edge, to go one better,  to get that 1% extra out of the team, and every man on that panel was cherished.  Yes, Joe MacMahon coming back might have caused a lot of ill feeling amongest squad players but unfortunately and regretably its part and parcel of football.  2008 seen Stephen O'Neill return for an All Ireland Final, never to be at training all year, never to play 1 minute of championship football.  Ciaran Gourley started and finished every championship game that year and then found himself dropped for that All Ireland Final and not to play as much as 1 second that day.  Brian McGuigan returned from Australia on a Thursday and came on as a substitute that Sunday against Cavan (I think) in 2005 Ulster Championship. These are just some examples.  All players mentioned who have left the panel this year are extremely talented individuals with immense football ability,  they all have many attributes and would make any County set up but it's terrible to see them leave.  I sincerely hope that club managers who have no vested interest in Tyrone Football are not persuading players to leave the county set up.  But,  as pointed out on this forum that could be the case,  I wonder if Damien Cassidy or Martin McKinless had a chat with the said players about staying with the county? I seriously doubt it.  Someone also mentioned Peter Donnelly on this thread and how being on the bench for Tyrone had a negative effect on his football ability.  I would assume if he was asked himself personally, he would say that it was one of the best experiences of his footballing career and without doubt has contributed immensely to Coalisland winning a County Title and more importantly the experiences he gained during his involvement with Tyrone for 10 plus years have added to his working life in terms of his top notch coaching skills and ability and in some way has added to Tyrone's U21 achievement on Wednesday night past.  His efforts with Tyrone are not unnoticed during the 2000's,  it was him who pushed Kevin Hughes, Enda McGinley, Sean Cavanagh, Colly Holmes etc to be the best they could be, and that as a county we should be eternally grateful for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 10, 2015, 09:20:13 AM
It's hard not to imagine that pressure is being put on the clonoe boys by a Derry man with no interest in Tyrone which is sad to see. For years some clonoe people have complained about their players not being picked and worse still they have gave serious abuse to existing players but it appears the majority of their players aren't interested in playing for Tyrone, dorris didn't want to either.

Both pj and quinn had got opportunities this year. Pj may not have been starting but was a key sub coming on most games. So joe McMahon coming on on Sunday had little impact on him and joe has earned the right for a late start to the year after giving everything over the last ten years. Pj actually went on holidays as far as I'm aware during the McKenna cup and Harte seemed to be very understanding which many county managers wouldn't have accepted from a fringe player.

You'd think listening to some on here that players either have a choice to play for club or county which isn't the case. Unlike many counties tyrone players play in at least two thirds of club league games and championship games. A club like clonoe would easily compete in the other 5 started games given their squad so it makes even less sense. I do appreciate it can impact training but it's great for the lads to be involved at the top level of the game and having the pride to represent their county so wouldn't want to see pressure being out on them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on April 10, 2015, 09:58:36 AM
Wait until next year when minors are stopped from playing for their clubs. If you are 17/18 and not starting for the minor county you will pull out. This will affect every county.

In Tyrone the starred fixtures will be scrapped this year. Some pressure on the remaining fringe players to pull the plug.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 10, 2015, 10:06:09 AM
The irony of club manager stopping player playing with county team. #karma  ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on April 10, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on April 10, 2015, 09:58:36 AM
Wait until next year when minors are stopped from playing for their clubs. If you are 17/18 and not starting for the minor county you will pull out. This will affect every county.

In Tyrone the starred fixtures will be scrapped this year. Some pressure on the remaining fringe players to pull the plug.

Your dead right... This will be discussed at every club up and down the county.  Other players will be put under pressure by not only club managers but other club players.  The players will almost feel its now their duty to follow suit.  Look at Danny McBride, hardly kicked a ball, will Micky O'Neill join the other Clonoe clan and decide im no.2 and look to what PJ nad Dwayne have done think he is left with no option.  Dungannon will look to Patrick Quinn in a big year for their club back in Senior football.  It could be a domino effect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on April 10, 2015, 10:48:56 AM
Or to put a more positive spin on it......maybe the panel will have an influx of All-Ireland winning u-21's joining the panel, prepared to put the team ahead of themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on April 10, 2015, 11:25:20 AM
PJ would have played a part against Donegal in the Ulster Championship, yet he decides to leave the panel because he's not starting?? He's played a lot of league games starting against Monaghan and various sub appearances including one on Sunday against Kerry. Surely coming on to mark Marc O'Se, etc will bring you on more than playing against standard club players in Tyrone.

Similarly Quinn getting to start against one of the country's best forward lines in Cork.

Clonoe people yapped about their lads not getting on the Tyrone panel and now a fella playing most games is turning his back on his county team? In recent times it's clear to be seen Clonoe people have created a disdain for the Senior County team bore out of the siege mentality that Cassidy has created. It's always a them and us, East/West, when the vast majority of the county don't build these divisions. 

I'd call up Meyler and McNulty from U21s but sure Danny would probably be told not to go.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on April 10, 2015, 11:40:13 AM
I wudnt be surprised it Meyler, McNulty, McGeery and Lee Brennan all get called up!
Ones will say Brennan maybe a bit young just outa minors but Harte will want him in like with what he did to McCurry when he was 18 and he def already has the talent!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on April 10, 2015, 11:48:34 AM
Not one of them would agree to join the panel. Why would they. The incumbents thought they were a beaten docket, the U-21s will think the same.

What way does it leave the ACL? Who were Clonoe meant to play their starred fixtures against?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 10, 2015, 12:08:35 PM
Some crying on hear, didn't hear you crying when we had none selected the past six years. Mickey picked our lads as he could do nothing else due to the drop off in quality players else where in the county. As regards the starred games, we still have 2 players involved.
How Harte failed to give Lavery a regular start is beyond me and others that have posted on this board. Look at the poor type of players who started ahead of him last Sunday again, he must have been cracking up and then to watch a player train one week, who is to slow for the system Tyrone are playing must have just sickened the life out of the remaining panel members. Mc Nulty would be well advised to stay clear from that set up considering how they left him out of football for almost a year when he hurt his back in a Mc Kenna cup last year. Once he got hurt they washed their hands off him and dropped him off the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on April 10, 2015, 12:18:11 PM
Lads I think you will find that Joe McMahon has never been away from the panel and has been training all along..there has been some flexibility with him missing sessions but he has always been part of the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on April 10, 2015, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on April 10, 2015, 12:18:11 PM
Lads I think you will find that Joe McMahon has never been away from the panel and has been training all along..there has been some flexibility with him missing sessions but he has always been part of the squad.

He hasn't been part of the group sessions.  Himself and Dermy Carlin have been training with Peter Donnelly on the side.  Perhaps this running to Garvaghey 5 nights a week is becoming too much for some of the lads involved.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on April 10, 2015, 12:32:03 PM
Thank you 'Knock Your Mucker In' for giving a better illustration of my point than I could ever hope to have given. Yous need to start digging a moat around the parish!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 10, 2015, 12:36:13 PM
What an awful mess. How things have deteriorated to this level is beyond me.

The only way this can be sorted out is with a new management team in place. Big call for the Chairwoman coming up in July.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on April 10, 2015, 12:41:31 PM
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 10, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
It is sad that these players have left the county panel. There is something inherently wrong with the system when Tyrone people don't want Tyrone to be successful or don't want the best players to make themselves available for the county team. I have no idea how this problem could be solved but it is true that lots of club players would prefer for Tyrone to lose so that any players they might have on the county panel could return to the club.
People on here are saying that county players only miss 5 starred games a year and that this isn't a lot. The starred games are not the issue !! The real issue is that with club championship only 7 weeks away these players will not be available to take part in a training session with their clubs until one week before the biggest game of the club season. The sudden death nature of the championship here is without doubt playing a huge part in these defections. I'm not saying this is fair or otherwise, I just saying this is the main stumbling block. (Clonoe and Carmen must be favourites now... if they weren't already).
I see calls for Meyler to be called up to the county panel. Would that make Omaghs county contingent 7!!! That couldn't be good for their preparations. But at least they aren't putting their players under any undue pressure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 10, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on April 10, 2015, 12:41:31 PM
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.

But there wasn't a choice between club and county. The players would still have been available for every key club game and at the same time been given the opportunity to compete and play at the highest level.

Plenty of players have played for Tyrone and had successful club careers, look at gormley canavan etc. errigal ciaran have never had an issue with their players playing for Tyrone and they're the only club that do well in ulster.

Also do you follow people on the board around to know what games they attend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on April 10, 2015, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 10, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on April 10, 2015, 12:41:31 PM
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.

But there wasn't a choice between club and county. The players would still have been available for every key club game and at the same time been given the opportunity to compete and play at the highest level.

Plenty of players have played for Tyrone and had successful club careers, look at gormley canavan etc. errigal ciaran have never had an issue with their players playing for Tyrone and they're the only club that do well in ulster.

Also do you follow people on the board around to know what games they attend?

Those players you mention are automatics on the county team, not bench warmers getting no regular football, if your going to post make some sense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 10, 2015, 06:53:26 PM
lads cant believe casshidy getting the blame after all if your being paid the rumoured amount hes getting then hes well within his rights to demand value for his backer(s). personally them clonoe lads are no big loss to the set up too small mickey o neill id keep mcaliskey should be driven up to the island as well. money is talking it always does.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 10, 2015, 07:56:12 PM
Could be a short year for the clonoe lads who left the panel.if there are beat in the champ bythe island and the league being not good enough for them what will they do all summer.  ;)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bensars on April 10, 2015, 08:06:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on April 10, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
It is sad that these players have left the county panel. There is something inherently wrong with the system when Tyrone people don't want Tyrone to be successful or don't want the best players to make themselves available for the county team. I have no idea how this problem could be solved but it is true that lots of club players would prefer for Tyrone to lose so that any players they might have on the county panel could return to the club.
People on here are saying that county players only miss 5 starred games a year and that this isn't a lot. The starred games are not the issue !! The real issue is that with club championship only 7 weeks away these players will not be available to take part in a training session with their clubs until one week before the biggest game of the club season. The sudden death nature of the championship here is without doubt playing a huge part in these defections. I'm not saying this is fair or otherwise, I just saying this is the main stumbling block. (Clonoe and Carmen must be favourites now... if they weren't already).
I see calls for Meyler to be called up to the county panel. Would that make Omaghs county contingent 7!!! That couldn't be good for their preparations. But at least they aren't putting their players under any undue pressure

Seven?

Who am I missing? 2 Mcmahons, Clarke, Oneill,Tierney, Meyler potentially.

Who's the other?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 10, 2015, 09:11:27 PM
Quote from: Bensars on April 10, 2015, 08:06:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on April 10, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
It is sad that these players have left the county panel. There is something inherently wrong with the system when Tyrone people don't want Tyrone to be successful or don't want the best players to make themselves available for the county team. I have no idea how this problem could be solved but it is true that lots of club players would prefer for Tyrone to lose so that any players they might have on the county panel could return to the club.
People on here are saying that county players only miss 5 starred games a year and that this isn't a lot. The starred games are not the issue !! The real issue is that with club championship only 7 weeks away these players will not be available to take part in a training session with their clubs until one week before the biggest game of the club season. The sudden death nature of the championship here is without doubt playing a huge part in these defections. I'm not saying this is fair or otherwise, I just saying this is the main stumbling block. (Clonoe and Carmen must be favourites now... if they weren't already).
I see calls for Meyler to be called up to the county panel. Would that make Omaghs county contingent 7!!! That couldn't be good for their preparations. But at least they aren't putting their players under any undue pressure

Seven?

Who am I missing? 2 Mcmahons, Clarke, Oneill,Tierney, Meyler potentially.

Who's the other?
ah I forgot conan grugan wasn't there any more
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 10, 2015, 09:21:05 PM
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 10, 2015, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 10, 2015, 07:56:12 PM
Could be a short year for the clonoe lads who left the panel.if there are beat in the champ bythe island and the league being not good enough for them what will they do all summer.  ;)

What we are assured is that Tyrone will have a short season. League mustn't be important to Tyrone either  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 10, 2015, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 10, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on April 10, 2015, 12:41:31 PM
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.

But there wasn't a choice between club and county. The players would still have been available for every key club game and at the same time been given the opportunity to compete and play at the highest level.

Plenty of players have played for Tyrone and had successful club careers, look at gormley canavan etc. errigal ciaran have never had an issue with their players playing for Tyrone and they're the only club that do well in ulster.

Also do you follow people on the board around to know what games they attend?

This would've been mostly in pre back door game. Back then you would've known much, much more clearly when your season was. It could've been over from an IC perspective by mid May.

The back door is the catalyst for most of these issues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 10, 2015, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 10, 2015, 09:21:05 PM
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.

With the news that the U21s are now screwing over Club seasons, it's almost got to the stage that I hope Tyrone are dumped out of everything early to allow Club seasons to progress properly. It's getting more and more like Clubs v County as opposed to Club and County.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on April 11, 2015, 12:27:16 AM
Yeah it will be great when Tyrone are out of everything and we can squabble over an O'Neill cup and then get laughed at in the Ulster Club as usual!
That will be great for Tyrone football alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on April 11, 2015, 12:54:07 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on April 11, 2015, 12:27:16 AM
Yeah it will be great when Tyrone are out of everything and we can squabble over an O'Neill cup and then get laughed at in the Ulster Club as usual!
That will be great for Tyrone football alright.

and again sam....showing your true county colours. what club is it you support again?? probably couldn't even name us your captain.

run away off now and chase after a few premium level tickets in croker there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 11, 2015, 01:34:10 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 10, 2015, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 10, 2015, 09:21:05 PM
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.

With the news that the U21s are now screwing over Club seasons, it's almost got to the stage that I hope Tyrone are dumped out of everything early to allow Club seasons to progress properly. It's getting more and more like Clubs v County as opposed to Club and County.

Ah come on Ffs, the semi final is next weekend, calm down, it's 7 days away, its hardly screwing over the club season. For the past 9 years the u21 team has had no impact on club football, relax!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on April 11, 2015, 09:46:02 AM
What's the obsession with a few league games, in other counties teams couldn't care less about a few stupid league fixtures. In Derry there is no emphasis on the league - (their club teams are far more successful than ours), in Kerry this wouldn't be a problem at all, the u21s would just sit out, not many would get too concerned about a league match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on April 11, 2015, 10:00:53 AM
In Kerry the league would run on regardless and the u21s would likely play away. There'd certainly have been no email sent out the night before the league games telling the clubs who they were permitted to play.

The needs of the majority need to outweigh the needs of the few. 99% of players in Tyrone have been ruled by the needs of the elite 1% for years now and I'm glad it's swinging back the other way a small bit.

Sam03/05 - for the majority of players this is their first proper game in about 6 months-who the fcuk are you to call it a stupid fixture? You're a mouth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 11, 2015, 10:20:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 11, 2015, 01:34:10 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 10, 2015, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 10, 2015, 09:21:05 PM
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.

With the news that the U21s are now screwing over Club seasons, it's almost got to the stage that I hope Tyrone are dumped out of everything early to allow Club seasons to progress properly. It's getting more and more like Clubs v County as opposed to Club and County.

Ah come on Ffs, the semi final is next weekend, calm down, it's 7 days away, its hardly screwing over the club season. For the past 9 years the u21 team has had no impact on club football, relax!

The whole fixture list this weekend was at the convenience of the U21s. Games moves to Saturday. No one knowing when their game was til Weds night. Boys unable to plan. Men taking half days from work to play today.

Then the U21s ask that no players are selected today.

So what was the point of moving the games and inconveniencing do many?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on April 11, 2015, 11:20:29 AM
The league in Tyrone is a farce simple as that. It's starts with a great hullabullow, then when teams are safe they start handing each other points. Relegation is most often decided by who can get the most points handed to them by clubs that are safe at the end of the season. So I am sorry if I can't get too excited about a round of league fixtures ahead of a chance to get to an AllIreland final. If these were fixtures played in the last few weeks of the year (most important time) then half the clubs would be handing points out to keep other clubs safe. Complete farce.

Quote from: laceer on April 11, 2015, 10:00:53 AM
In Kerry the league would run on regardless and the u21s would likely play away. There'd certainly have been no email sent out the night before the league games telling the clubs who they were permitted to play.

The needs of the majority need to outweigh the needs of the few. 99% of players in Tyrone have been ruled by the needs of the elite 1% for years now and I'm glad it's swinging back the other way a small bit.

Sam03/05 - for the majority of players this is their first proper game in about 6 months-who the fcuk are you to call it a stupid fixture? You're a mouth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 11, 2015, 08:34:42 PM
I have it on good authority that Cassidy did not give any of his county players "Ultimatums" but would have been advising them what was best for Clonoe (he's in the business for results so nobody here can say they probably wouldn't be doing something similar) According to Michael O'Neill's Facebook he has been in America for a couple of weeks travelling but home now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on April 11, 2015, 08:51:05 PM
Heard that 2 players were dropped from U21 panel last night as they indicated that they were going to play for their clubs today. Then the U21's are allowed to play today. Wonder what happens to the 2 players in question. I would hope the management team would do the honourable thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 11, 2015, 10:51:26 PM
Time will tell. Couldn't believe the management would attempt that.  We must remember they are learning their position too,  big mistake to take on the club's.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 11, 2015, 11:00:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 11, 2015, 10:51:26 PM
Time will tell. Couldn't believe the management would attempt that.  We must remember they are learning their position too,  big mistake to take on the club's.

Bullying their own players into not playing for their clubs and then threatening them by saying they will be dropped from the panel if they do play is a disgrace. This management team has went down in my estimation
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on April 13, 2015, 03:12:02 PM
Rumblings around South Derry that all is not well in the camp. . . anybody know the story lads?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/32290537
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on April 13, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 13, 2015, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on April 13, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)

Takes a few days for the news to get up there too!  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 13, 2015, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 13, 2015, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on April 13, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)

Takes a few days for the news to get up there too!  :)

More than that they take players from anywhere to get a team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on April 14, 2015, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 13, 2015, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 13, 2015, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on April 13, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)

Takes a few days for the news to get up there too!  :)

More than that they take players from anywhere to get a team

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jesus you lads are no craic!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on April 29, 2015, 12:20:13 PM
Can anyone shed any light on the seniors not using Garvaghy to train in anymore ahead of the championship, instead they are going around the club grounds and have been for the past while.
Someone had mentioned this to me a while back but i didnt give it anymore thought. So a multi million pound complex not being used?
The privacy argument (i.e. need for closed door sessions) doesnt stand up, Garvaghy is as concealed as they come with the back pitches well removed from the main area and access to outsiders could easily be blocked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on April 29, 2015, 02:01:01 PM
Harte feels Garvaghy is too open and there are too many people around watchin them train, Clubs and club Tyrone members are now payin for Tyrone to hand over money to other clubs now like Dungannon and Drumragh last wk for there field so the county team could train on there patch..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 29, 2015, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on April 29, 2015, 02:01:01 PM
Harte feels Garvaghy is too open and there are too many people around watchin them train, Clubs and club Tyrone members are now payin for Tyrone to hand over money to other clubs now like Dungannon and Drumragh last wk for there field so the county team could train on there patch..

Im not sure how acurate these reports are, but this sis one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
Tyrone build a multi million pound training complex, only to end up training in places like dungannon  :-\

Surely they can control who has access to garvaghy on training nights if thats the issue?

if the issue is that its too exposed and windy, anyone could have told you that before there was a spade in the ground.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: giveherlong on April 29, 2015, 04:08:59 PM
Definitely trained in Drumragh recently on a Thursday night
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 29, 2015, 07:07:40 PM
Most clubs would see it as an honour to host their county team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on April 29, 2015, 08:27:17 PM
personally I think the issue of the place being far to windy (and bloody freezing) to conduct any sort of long game tactics (kick-passing, goal kicking etc). and the change of scene is probably welcomed, if not initiated by some of the players i would suspect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 29, 2015, 08:28:54 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 29, 2015, 07:07:40 PM
Most clubs would see it as an honour to host their county team.
Yeah but it's a pity we have nowhere central that all the county teams could use to train. If we could raise the money to build such a place I hope they build the main building so that it looks like a T from the sky. I think that would be cool
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 29, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 29, 2015, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 29, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
Well saying as you asked...
The gym at garvaghy is not fit for purpose,
There is no sports hall at the venue (Tyrone seniors go to a sports hall in Cookstown for fitness testing)
Tyrone hurlers turned up to train on the Wednesday of the 1st round of the under 21 Ulster championship and the caretaker didn't even bother to hang around to turn the lights on for them.
The site is possibly the windiest place in Tyrone.
But sure you keep telling us how well laid out the place is and how much money it is generating and the clubs will continue to pay for its upkeep and the county team will continue to look for alternative venues to train

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 29, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
Garvaghy was an ill conceived ego trip
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on April 29, 2015, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on April 29, 2015, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 29, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
Well saying as you asked...
The gym at garvaghy is not fit for purpose,
There is no sports hall at the venue (Tyrone seniors go to a sports hall in Cookstown for fitness testing)
Tyrone hurlers turned up to train on the Wednesday of the 1st round of the under 21 Ulster championship and the caretaker didn't even bother to hang around to turn the lights on for them.
The site is possibly the windiest place in Tyrone.
But sure you keep telling us how well laid out the place is and how much money it is generating and the clubs will continue to pay for its upkeep and the county team will continue to look for alternative venues to train

Let's face it. Garvaghey is a badly designed building. Because it's in a 'T', there is so much wasted space that can't be used for anything e.g. the excess space in the foyer, the poor gym, changing rooms being on the wrong side of the building. So many problems that shouldn't have occurred.

Wait 10-15 years for the trees around the perimeter to grow high and reduce some of that wind.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on April 30, 2015, 04:44:19 PM
Know for a fact that the pitches in garvaghy were been reseeded there a wile ago ahead of the summer months (like most club pitches are being also seeded around this time)

HOWEVER, im not 100% sure if this is for the reason of them not training there, they have defo trained in drumragh a few times over last month
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 30, 2015, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 29, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise

the gym is fit for purpose. there is a second weight room which not many know about
agree on a sports hall,im sure that is on the agenda
no lights for the hurlers-sums up the attiude to hurling in the county,nobody cares about it
changing rooms are spacious and ideally set at the back of the building with each having there own entrance meaning the main bulding can be locked up early.if there were at the front there would be nothing but grass and dirt all around the place
maxi was/is training the gaels in garvaghy and u couldn't have him snooping about when tyrone are training.also im sure u would get fed up going to the same place every night so good call to train in diferent grounds in the build upto Donegal game.minors u21s seniors all have had a lot of sessions done in garvaghy already this year.it is a success and so are tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on April 30, 2015, 06:53:55 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 30, 2015, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 29, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise

the gym is fit for purpose. there is a second weight room which not many know about
agree on a sports hall,im sure that is on the agenda
no lights for the hurlers-sums up the attiude to hurling in the county,nobody cares about it
changing rooms are spacious and ideally set at the back of the building with each having there own entrance meaning the main bulding can be locked up early.if there were at the front there would be nothing but grass and dirt all around the place
maxi was/is training the gaels in garvaghy and u couldn't have him snooping about when tyrone are training.also im sure u would get fed up going to the same place every night so good call to train in diferent grounds in the build upto Donegal game.minors u21s seniors all have had a lot of sessions done in garvaghy already this year.it is a success and so are tyrone.

He is training which team?

By the way IMO Garvaghy is not good enough for purpose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on April 30, 2015, 07:23:19 PM
Maxi ????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 30, 2015, 07:38:55 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 30, 2015, 06:53:55 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 30, 2015, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 29, 2015, 10:13:13 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise

the gym is fit for purpose. there is a second weight room which not many know about
agree on a sports hall,im sure that is on the agenda
no lights for the hurlers-sums up the attiude to hurling in the county,nobody cares about it
changing rooms are spacious and ideally set at the back of the building with each having there own entrance meaning the main bulding can be locked up early.if there were at the front there would be nothing but grass and dirt all around the place
maxi was/is training the gaels in garvaghy and u couldn't have him snooping about when tyrone are training.also im sure u would get fed up going to the same place every night so good call to train in diferent grounds in the build upto Donegal game.minors u21s seniors all have had a lot of sessions done in garvaghy already this year.it is a success and so are tyrone.

He is training which team?

By the way IMO Garvaghy is not good enough for purpose.
I know it's not a good idea to assume but I assume redzone means maxi curran. If that is a correct assumption then redzone is wrong again. Curran trains St Eunans not the gaels (whoever they are), but sure when most of the post is wrong why should he get that bit right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 30, 2015, 07:48:34 PM
sorry eunans.its half way for there dublin based players.was multi taskin whilst typing lol.listen nothing wrong with my post sure how can a opion be wrong or right.anyway good luck to the lads sat
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 01, 2015, 01:49:17 PM
I've heard that Maxi is training Eunans in Garvaghey too.

Anyhow, has anyone a squad picture of the 2001 U21 All Ireland winners?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 01:56:06 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/ (http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 04, 2015, 12:22:41 AM
Sorry Nrico.

Thanks but I meant 91. Doh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on May 12, 2015, 12:10:49 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on what the line up will be this weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on May 12, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: macca123 on May 12, 2015, 12:10:49 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on what the line up will be this weekend?

Given Mickey didn't experiment much with lineups or personnel over the course of the national league, I'd imagine there will be little surprises in the lineup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 12, 2015, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 12, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: macca123 on May 12, 2015, 12:10:49 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on what the line up will be this weekend?

Given Mickey didn't experiment much with lineups or personnel over the course of the national league, I'd imagine there will be little surprises in the lineup.

Think you might be surprised
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 13, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
I reckon Richie Donnelly will start in the half forwards, even though he is only in the panel a matter of weeks. Other than that I would imagine it will be pretty much the same as we have seen through the league

My guess:
M O'Neill
Mcnamee joey mccarron
Harte mcnabb mccrory
Colm justy
Mccann, Richie Don, Paud mcnulty
McCurry
Sean, matty Don

Was very worried about this game all year but conditions are nicely set for a Tyrone ambush. I think we will compete well.
A good start is critical.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 13, 2015, 01:17:37 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 13, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
I reckon Richie Donnelly will start in the half forwards, even though he is only in the panel a matter of weeks. Other than that I would imagine it will be pretty much the same as we have seen through the league

My guess:
M O'Neill
Mcnamee joey mccarron
Harte mcnabb mccrory
Colm justy
Mccann, Richie Don, Paud mcnulty
McCurry
Sean, matty Don

Was very worried about this game all year but conditions are nicely set for a Tyrone ambush. I think we will compete well.
A good start is critical.

Do you think that will be the team or hope that will be the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on May 13, 2015, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 13, 2015, 01:17:37 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 13, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
I reckon Richie Donnelly will start in the half forwards, even though he is only in the panel a matter of weeks. Other than that I would imagine it will be pretty much the same as we have seen through the league

My guess:
M O'Neill
Mcnamee joey mccarron
Harte mcnabb mccrory
Colm justy
Mccann, Richie Don, Paud mcnulty
McCurry
Sean, matty Don

Was very worried about this game all year but conditions are nicely set for a Tyrone ambush. I think we will compete well.
A good start is critical.

Do you think that will be the team or hope that will be the team.

Is Mickey O'Neill still a part of the county squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2015, 01:36:52 PM
Is McCarron not ineligible?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on May 13, 2015, 01:51:24 PM
Norf Tyrone, a player who transfers back to his home county (or 'first county' as the rule book states) is not subject to the same ruling as someone who leaves their home county for another. This means McCarron is able to play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 13, 2015, 02:07:56 PM
1. Morgan. If anyway fit at all.
2. Aidan McCrory
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Cathal McCarron
5. Ronan McNabb
6. Justin McMahon
7. Rory Brennan
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Cathal McShane
10. Mattie Donnelly
11. Darren McCurry
12. Peter Harte
13. Mark Bradley
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Conor McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on May 13, 2015, 03:25:07 PM
would be surprised if mcnulty didnt start..hes been one of the best performers in the league games we've played well in, has started pretty much every game if im correct and is one of our most powerful, stronger runners, who will be needed to break the Donegal defensive stranglehold
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 13, 2015, 03:43:42 PM
1. Niall Morgan
2. Aidan McCrory
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Cathal McCarron
5. Ronan McNabb
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Padraig McNulty
10. Cathal McShane
11. Mattie Donnelly
12. Darren McCurry
13. Ronan O'Neil
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Conor McAliskey

My Predicted Team that will be choosen this wkend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 13, 2015, 03:59:14 PM
Legoman, I like the look of that team but can't see him playing McCurry in the HF line.  Can't see how anybody can have Brennan over McGeary for WHB, although I can't see any of the two starting ahead of Harte or McNabb.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 13, 2015, 04:10:34 PM
Is McGeary on the panel?
Naw same,pretty sure McNabb and Harte wont be left out and half back best position for both these players?
Brennan and McGeary bit raw yet but will def push for starting positions in the future,McGeary to be an outstanding future half back IMO and Brennan to fill in round the centre back position but needs to fill out a bit yet for senior county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 13, 2015, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 13, 2015, 04:10:34 PM
Is McGeary on the panel?
Naw same,pretty sure McNabb and Harte wont be left out and half back best position for both these players?
Brennan and McGeary bit raw yet but will def push for starting positions in the future,McGeary to be an outstanding future half back IMO and Brennan to fill in round the centre back position but needs to fill out a bit yet for senior county

Aye, I could see Brennan being moulded for 6 but don't see him on the wing.  McGeary is made for it.  Not sure of the exact makeup of the panel at this stage, I would imagine that a lot of the u-21s are involved in the training games etc though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 13, 2015, 05:17:58 PM
If I was picking the team for this Sunday
1 M O'Neill
2 R Mc Namee
3 Justin Mc Mahon
4 C Mc Carron
5 P Harte
6 M Donnelly
7 R Mc Nabb
8 C Cavanagh
9 P Mc Nulty
10 C Mc Shane
11 S Cavanagh
12 T Mc Cann
13 D Mc Curry
14 C Mc Aliskey
15 Joe Mc Mahon

This team would play the same type of game plan Tyrone are playing. Justy would pick up Murphy Mc Namee would pick up Mc Brearty Joe would drop back in and play sweeper as would the half forward line leaving the two main scoring threats inside the 45 to do the damage. Mc Aliskey Joe Mc Curry can all kick dead balls off the ground from 50 yards out Big Sean also can kick frees so no need for morgan in that regard also Mickey is a more physical presence in the defensive goal.

Probably be nowhere near the team hence i'm not the Tyrone manager. Just a bit of craic.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 13, 2015, 06:18:28 PM
think mickey o neill will start for morgan who remains doubtful and richard donnelly will start in place of mccann. joe will hardly start if he does that would tell me all i need to know about this current set up. sean cavnagh is a huge doubt as well. cant believe that hamsey hasnt been called up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2015, 09:18:37 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 13, 2015, 01:51:24 PM
Norf Tyrone, a player who transfers back to his home county (or 'first county' as the rule book states) is not subject to the same ruling as someone who leaves their home county for another. This means McCarron is able to play.

Ah right. Good man. McCarron has had an impressive return.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2015, 09:20:43 PM
Don't hear Michael Cassidy getting many mentions on here. I think in the few games I seen him he'll be a powerful player.

Not yet but could be blooded very soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 13, 2015, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2015, 09:18:37 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 13, 2015, 01:51:24 PM
Norf Tyrone, a player who transfers back to his home county (or 'first county' as the rule book states) is not subject to the same ruling as someone who leaves their home county for another. This means McCarron is able to play.

Ah right. Good man. McCarron has had an impressive return.
and from all those who thought it was Mickey pulling the championship forward to suit the return the silence is deafening...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 14, 2015, 08:09:02 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 13, 2015, 06:18:28 PM
think mickey o neill will start for morgan who remains doubtful and richard donnelly will start in place of mccann. joe will hardly start if he does that would tell me all i need to know about this current set up. sean cavnagh is a huge doubt as well. cant believe that hamsey hasnt been called up.

I cant believe that you think there is ANY chance of Harte calling up Hampsey!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 14, 2015, 08:29:04 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 14, 2015, 08:09:02 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 13, 2015, 06:18:28 PM
think mickey o neill will start for morgan who remains doubtful and richard donnelly will start in place of mccann. joe will hardly start if he does that would tell me all i need to know about this current set up. sean cavnagh is a huge doubt as well. cant believe that hamsey hasnt been called up.

I cant believe that you think tehre is ANY chance of Harte calling up Hampsey!

Agree 100% - there is NO chance of Hampshey getting a call up to senior squad when MH is in charge. IMO he is worth a go as we need a couple of specialist defenders in the full back line and both Ruairi Mullan and he should be given a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 14, 2015, 08:53:07 AM
Hampsey will never be called up under Harte!
Previously Des Tracey was in the same boat, won All Ireland with the U21s, went on to have an incident in a match against Mark Harte and then that was it, finished top scorer in Div 1 for 3 years on the bounce and was one around the county to be one of the best club players in the county and a dead ball expert and still I dont think even got a trial!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 14, 2015, 09:36:11 AM
Talk of Morgan starting out the pitch this weekend  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on May 14, 2015, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 14, 2015, 08:53:07 AM
Hampsey will never be called up under Harte!
Previously Des Tracey was in the same boat, won All Ireland with the U21s, went on to have an incident in a match against Mark Harte and then that was it, finished top scorer in Div 1 for 3 years on the bounce and was one around the county to be one of the best club players in the county and a dead ball expert and still I dont think even got a trial!

Why wouldn't Hampsey get a call up under Mickey Harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on May 14, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 14, 2015, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 14, 2015, 08:53:07 AM
Hampsey will never be called up under Harte!
Previously Des Tracey was in the same boat, won All Ireland with the U21s, went on to have an incident in a match against Mark Harte and then that was it, finished top scorer in Div 1 for 3 years on the bounce and was one around the county to be one of the best club players in the county and a dead ball expert and still I dont think even got a trial!

Why wouldn't Hampsey get a call up under Mickey Harte?

Dont shoot the messenger, but i think most people are talking about the hanlon in coalisland last year in the league game near the end of the year when petey harte and paudi were fighting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on May 14, 2015, 11:45:24 AM
No additional players  have been called up as yet, this will probably happen after club championship first round.

On the team I'm not sure about what side will line up but Conor Clarke will start and pick up Murphy, I'd be pretty sure of that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 14, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
I forgot all about big Clarke. How is he playing for Omagh?
He did ok on Murphy before didn't he?
Maybe play him, Sean and Joey at FF to try something new. Only messing. Can never see Mickey do that.

Can anyone tell me something about Richard Donnelly. Being down in Dublin with 10 kids I don't know much about the club scene any more back home.
Where does he play and is he any good?

That's a disgrace if Mickey is not picking a good player just for personal reasons but I am not surprised by Mr Stubborn.
Will be interesting to see the reaction at the Club Tyrone event tonight when  Mickey names the team. I believe he gets very uncomfortable about people asking him questions about why he picked certain players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on May 14, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 14, 2015, 12:41:26 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on May 14, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision

Like England cricket with KP I think any manager would be completely in the wrong in your instance. The best managers are able to manage that situation. When United won the treble in 1999 their forward line Cole and Sherringham weren't speaking. They never got on and at times it got heated. Ferguson, as much as it pains me, was able to manage this situation and use it as a positive driver for the team.


Cricket reference on the Tyrone Gaa county thread  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on May 14, 2015, 12:42:41 PM
I don't think that has stopped his appearance in the panel to date. The U21 run has really pushed him into the reckoning, beforehand there wasn't too many calls for Paudi to get called up. When players are called in then judgements can be made. Right now people are looking another reason to Mickey bash based on what they think will happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 14, 2015, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on May 14, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision

cant be any more discourse than there is between mc carron and some players on the current panel yet he was brought back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on May 14, 2015, 01:03:04 PM
well that's it as ye say, maybe Hampsey's just not worth it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 14, 2015, 08:51:55 PM
I know, call up Hampsey (Great Player) & DROP Petey (Over Rated) Harte #Simples
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 14, 2015, 09:07:38 PM
Do people know for a fact that hampsey isn't picked because of an incident last year or is this similar to the claims that mickey Harte was forcing the club games forward so McCarron could play? Peter Harte has been one of best players for Tyrone this year, was that comment a joke?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 15, 2015, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 14, 2015, 12:41:26 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on May 14, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision

Like England cricket with KP I think any manager would be completely in the wrong in your instance. The best managers are able to manage that situation. When United won the treble in 1999 their forward line Cole and Sherringham weren't speaking. They never got on and at times it got heated. Ferguson, as much as it pains me, was able to manage this situation and use it as a positive driver for the team.


Cricket reference on the Tyrone Gaa county thread  8)

Jimmy McG and Kevin Cassidy: fell out over a chapter in a book, a f**king book. Still only one man was vindicated a year later and it wasnt the man it should've been.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 15, 2015, 02:20:07 PM
What does everyone think of the team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 17, 2015, 10:03:11 AM
Have a feeling tyrone can do a job today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on May 17, 2015, 08:32:07 PM
the last ulster championship game today for the two mickeys?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 17, 2015, 08:54:20 PM
Mickey Harte and Mickey Moynagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 17, 2015, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on May 17, 2015, 08:32:07 PM
the last ulster championship game today for the two mickeys?

has to be mick McCaughey and mick mcgoldrick. sick of lookin at them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on May 17, 2015, 10:06:45 PM
Red zone you aren't wrong. Michael McCaughey running after Joe McQuillan at the end was a joke. He'd need to be told to carry the water or whatever it is he does and stay out of the f**king road. McGoldrick no better, stuck in the middle of the half time handbags.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on May 17, 2015, 10:19:46 PM
mccaughey and mcgoldrick should have had the head carried off them. the county board should send the two of them up the road. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 18, 2015, 11:53:13 AM
What is that mc goldrick tool doing on the pitch with the teams anyway? All kitted out in tyrone team gear. He is a second rate part time caretaker at garvaghey. Embarassing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on May 18, 2015, 01:32:07 PM
Just looking at a picture of the half time scuffle in the paper - both Michael's stuck in the middle of that as well. What need for those 2 to be going anywhere near the dressing room at half time anyway?? They should be sitting over in the dugout until the teams come back out. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 18, 2015, 05:47:09 PM
Anyone who is a regular attender at club games in Tyrone senior football will know how good Mickey O'Neill is. An ever consistent presence in the goal for his club side and after yesterday's performance the whole country knows how good he is. Question is though will Harte keep him in goals for the next game or revert back to his favoured Morgan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 05:50:39 PM
Mickey O'Neills display reminded me of big Finbarr at his shop stopping best.  We have 2 very good goalkeepers at the moment, but O Neills display yesterday makes him undroppable for the next match. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on May 18, 2015, 06:45:49 PM
Surely Mickey can't drop O'Neill for the next game.He was excellent yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on May 18, 2015, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 18, 2015, 06:45:49 PM
Surely Mickey can't drop O'Neill for the next game.He was excellent yesterday.

With most people saying this is going to be Harte's last year will the Tyrone RTE ban continue next year. Tyrone continue to get very negative comments by the RTE panellists and this will continue for as long as the boycott keeps going.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 19, 2015, 07:03:58 AM
Goes back to 80s time. Say it whatever way you will but it  has its roots in anti northern partition friendly sources. In brollys case where a little knowledge can be such a danger, I'd say the guys are laughing at getting a northern nationalist to attack the gaa set up here. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on May 19, 2015, 11:48:34 AM
Jimmy McGuinness's analyse of the game


http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-column-mature-donegal-display-could-herald-a-new-era-1.2217272


The most pertinent part for me is :

Tyrone are so well coached and are patient and their running game worked. Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly were terrific. They played with a lot of width and retained possession well. But they lacked a point of reference at the top of their attack. I thought that could have been another string to their bow.

The Donegal defenders knew that they were facing a running game all the time and prepared for that.

We've been running into a brick wall for 5 years now - if the man won't change then it's time to change the man.




Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on May 19, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
To be honest TCM and in Mickey's defence he showed great confidence and trust in giving our U21 Cathal McShane (MOM in All Ireland U21 final) that role in the game.  On watching Cathal's super U21 performances and most likely his training he probably warranted his position.  We talk about giving the young lads their chance to mature and no doubt Cathal would have learned alot from the game on Sunday.  I certainly wouldnt be knocking Mickey or for making this bold decision nor pour negativity on our youth.  Its a decision that can go either way.  I can refer you back to Davy Fitz's decision in 2013 All Ireland Hurling Final when Clare U21 Shane O'Donnell replaced Honan hours before the game.  Tyrone are maybe lacking one killer spearhead forward ( Sean Cavanagh cant play in every position).  I certainly wouldnt go knocking Mickey on that decision!  Cathal's performance could have went either way,  but he will have learned a great deal from Sunday and I'm certain this will be invaluable come the qualifers.  Tyrone has a great opportunity now.  They can introduce their U21's during the qualifiers and make a good run on the AI series from here.  I think they are in a good position given the performance on Sunday past. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on May 19, 2015, 01:01:41 PM
I agree with you Sunny Day re Cathal and Ruairi Brennan - they will have learnt so much from the game against Donegal and hopefully more of the U-21s will get blooded over the summer. My main gripe is with the tactics. There is no variation in our play. For 10 minutes in the second half it might just have been worth having Sean and Mattie in full forward and launching it on top of them. The one thing it might have done is forced the Donegal defence further back so you might have had more room to run at them. As Jimmy McGuinness said they knew that Tyrone were going to run at them all day. The running game will work against the lesser counties but it has been proved over the last 5 years that it doesn't against top 8 counties. We haven't taken a major scalp in 5 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 19, 2015, 01:35:22 PM
I thought there was a bit more variety and tactical than we had seen recently.
The long ball from which Colm hit the cross bar had been tried earlier with a ball dropped in on McNulty. A bit like the move for McCurrys goal it looked like something which had been worked on in training but was to be used sparingly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on May 19, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
TCM - I'm supportive of your point -  You can refer back to a post I made after the Tyrone Donegal league game regarding a tactic that Tyrone should adopt.  If they have a skilful, tall, strong full forward it could reap rewards especially against the blanket defence situation.  A swift counter attack coming down the wings and launching a high diagional ball into the scoring zone would test any full back,  but in particular Donegals Full Back Line.  The problem being Tyrone needs Sean Cavanagh and Mattie doing the hard work in the middle third. Catch 22.  As I say, we lack 1 spearhead forward.  Daniel McNulty might be the makings of one.  Maybe if Conor Clarke, Joe McMahon, Cathal McShane gets some more game time it could free up Sean C or Mattie D to take up a new role.  Would also like to see Richard Donnelly get some game time in the qualifiers.  Pity that fella Kyle Coney didnt stick with it,  he might have been able to present another option.  He seemed to pull the plug very early in the year when in actual fact he was on the starting team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on May 19, 2015, 02:08:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 19, 2015, 01:35:22 PM
I thought there was a bit more variety and tactical than we had seen recently.
The long ball from which Colm hit the cross bar had been tried earlier with a ball dropped in on McNulty. A bit like the move for McCurrys goal it looked like something which had been worked on in training but was to be used sparingly.

Granted 2 occasions (and to be truthful they are the only 2 that I can remember) - the long ball to Colm was at the end of the game when a goal was required and we'd spent the second half running into brick walls. If we'd hit a target man round the square a bit more often we might have created a few more score chances. Remember we didn't score for the last 23 minutes of the game.

As an aside it just shows how conditioned you get to watching a style of play. When I watched the U-21s playing in the semis and final I was shocked seeing  long ball being hit into Dan McNulty so often. I'd got so used to watching the perceived safety of constant hand passing of the ball that I couldn't believe that we were taking a risk by hitting it long :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 19, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
Quote from: Sunny Day on May 19, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
TCM - I'm supportive of your point -  You can refer back to a post I made after the Tyrone Donegal league game regarding a tactic that Tyrone should adopt.  If they have a skilful, tall, strong full forward it could reap rewards especially against the blanket defence situation.  A swift counter attack coming down the wings and launching a high diagional ball into the scoring zone would test any full back,  but in particular Donegals Full Back Line.  The problem being Tyrone needs Sean Cavanagh and Mattie doing the hard work in the middle third. Catch 22.  As I say, we lack 1 spearhead forward.  Daniel McNulty might be the makings of one.  Maybe if Conor Clarke, Joe McMahon, Cathal McShane gets some more game time it could free up Sean C or Mattie D to take up a new role.  Would also like to see Richard Donnelly get some game time in the qualifiers.  Pity that fella Kyle Coney didnt stick with it,  he might have been able to present another option.  He seemed to pull the plug very early in the year when in actual fact he was on the starting team.

Was Coney not shipped out?  One player who could do a job in there is Johnny Lafferty.  Big, quick and deadly.  Another one let go by Harte though without ever really being given a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on May 19, 2015, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Sunny Day on May 19, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
TCM - I'm supportive of your point -  You can refer back to a post I made after the Tyrone Donegal league game regarding a tactic that Tyrone should adopt.  If they have a skilful, tall, strong full forward it could reap rewards especially against the blanket defence situation.  A swift counter attack coming down the wings and launching a high diagional ball into the scoring zone would test any full back,  but in particular Donegals Full Back Line.  The problem being Tyrone needs Sean Cavanagh and Mattie doing the hard work in the middle third. Catch 22.  As I say, we lack 1 spearhead forward.  Daniel McNulty might be the makings of one.  Maybe if Conor Clarke, Joe McMahon, Cathal McShane gets some more game time it could free up Sean C or Mattie D to take up a new role.  Would also like to see Richard Donnelly get some game time in the qualifiers.  Pity that fella Kyle Coney didnt stick with it,  he might have been able to present another option.  He seemed to pull the plug very early in the year when in actual fact he was on the starting team.
All we can hope is that Micky has a Damascene conversion on the road to Garvaghy and sees the light.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 19, 2015, 02:26:29 PM
Quote from: tc_manchester on May 19, 2015, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Sunny Day on May 19, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
TCM - I'm supportive of your point -  You can refer back to a post I made after the Tyrone Donegal league game regarding a tactic that Tyrone should adopt.  If they have a skilful, tall, strong full forward it could reap rewards especially against the blanket defence situation.  A swift counter attack coming down the wings and launching a high diagional ball into the scoring zone would test any full back,  but in particular Donegals Full Back Line.  The problem being Tyrone needs Sean Cavanagh and Mattie doing the hard work in the middle third. Catch 22.  As I say, we lack 1 spearhead forward.  Daniel McNulty might be the makings of one.  Maybe if Conor Clarke, Joe McMahon, Cathal McShane gets some more game time it could free up Sean C or Mattie D to take up a new role.  Would also like to see Richard Donnelly get some game time in the qualifiers.  Pity that fella Kyle Coney didnt stick with it,  he might have been able to present another option.  He seemed to pull the plug very early in the year when in actual fact he was on the starting team.
All we can hope is that Micky has a Damascene conversion on the road to Garvaghy and sees the light.

As was predicted at the start of the year, we are on the road to nowhere again in no small part to Hartes inability to change his strategy.  There was nothing new on show at the weekend that wasn't on display during the previous 3 meetings.  Some people never learn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on May 19, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
We arent a million miles off TCM to be honest.  Yes a little variety is good,  Kerry are good at changing, adopting, moulding and reinventing themselves for each opposition they meet.  Though alot of that depends on the personnel you have at your disposal. Only 1 score seperated the sides on Sunday against the 2014 All Ireland Finalists and the 2012 All Ireland Champions.  We have good options.  .  .  .   .  .NICRO - Not sure about Kyle C but I was under the impression that he left the set up as he wasnt getting regular football.  He is an excellent free taker,  something Tyrone are lacking at the moment.  Regarding J Laverty -  I cant comment as I wouldnt have seen enough of him at club or county level. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 19, 2015, 03:21:16 PM
Regarding the Kyle Coney situation, I am of the understanding and I stand corrected on this - it wasn't the fact he wasn't getting regular football as the problem, more so the fact that he was getting regularly taken off EARLY in games whilst others appeared to get more minutes and favoured team selection. However, as I said I could be wrong.

Ask any forward at any level and they will agree that it is very difficult to play when you are constantly looking at the side line waiting for the curly finger in spite of your efforts. You end up trying too hard and digging a bigger hole for yourself. I felt sorry for Coney, admittedly he wasn't playing well but certain players need a run of games (4-6) to show their true worth and he appears to be one of them.

No doubt there will be plenty of posters who will disagree and say he got plenty of chances but this is only my reading of the situation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 19, 2015, 03:29:51 PM
FFS half the names mentioned on the thread regarding doing a job for tyrone wouldn't make a top 4 team in tyrone club football. Some people need to wise up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 19, 2015, 04:43:22 PM
to win sam you need scoring forwards the weakness at corner back and at 6 negate and sacrifices the likes of ronan o neill and kyle coney who have more talent than any of the forward line i saw on sunday. wee mccurry god bless his wee cotton socks cant handle the pressure of having to do it on his own even the great peter couldnt do it on his own. our system is damage limitation and quality talented footballers like rony and physio thumper coney are surplus to requirements,  but the needs of the manager to stay in post outweigh the development of the team, a pity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on May 19, 2015, 04:54:13 PM
ose14, what are you on? Ronan O'Neill has had his chances to impress on the county field... funny he's always bottled it. Living off his youth success. He is only getting further and further down the pecking order. Don't get me wrong he is a top club footballer but doesn't seem to have it for senior county level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 19, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
if tyone are ever going to win a game in the ulster championship they need scoring forwards cathal mcshane barry tierney mattie donnelly sean cavnagh peter harte mccaliskey tiernan mccann and now add the scoring sensation that is packie mcnulty are not out and out scorers im sorry. o neill coney are they have guile. stephen o neill was marginalised to protect a porous defence and protect the sideline. dublin destroyed tyrone 2011 man to man tyrone have been in denial ever since. id guarantee a change of management would have the two best and most gifted forwards playing in the full forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on May 19, 2015, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 19, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
if tyone are ever going to win a game in the ulster championship they need scoring forwards cathal mcshane barry tierney mattie donnelly sean cavnagh peter harte mccaliskey tiernan mccann and now add the scoring sensation that is packie mcnulty are not out and out scorers im sorry. o neill coney are they have guile. stephen o neill was marginalised to protect a porous defence and protect the sideline. dublin destroyed tyrone 2011 man to man tyrone have been in denial ever since. id guarantee a change of management would have the two best and most gifted forwards playing in the full forward line.

Are you being serious? Ronan 'Fat Arse" O'Neill needs to be dropped from the Senior team. He can't play County football simple as.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 21, 2015, 07:31:11 AM
glen a bit harsh there with the personal attack if you think  ronan o neill cant play county football then you dont know much about football. judging by your name cant imagine you would have seen much of him down in the hills there lad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on May 21, 2015, 09:12:41 AM
ose14, unfortunately I would agree with GlenMan. I don't think at this present moment in time Ronan is at the dogs for county senior football. Mickey Harte doesn't seem to think so either. Also by chatting to a few of his sigerson team mates from different counties they also don't think he's up to much recently. I think the best thing for him at the minute would be to focus solely on club football and try to improve his game and give county another rattle in a few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on May 21, 2015, 09:23:42 AM
Ronan O'Neill must be the most bashed footballer on this forum.  I hope he doesn't be reading it as it wouldn't do much for his confidence!  I think we all should lay off naming and thrashing players to be honest.  Amateur Sport.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 21, 2015, 09:39:55 AM
Rona O'Neill is very talented, but he hasn't really had a sustained run yet.  Granted, he doesn't look like he is in top physical condition but I would rather he was getting the opportunities up front instead of some of the other forwards that are.

Quote from: Mikhailov on May 19, 2015, 03:21:16 PM
Regarding the Kyle Coney situation, I am of the understanding and I stand corrected on this - it wasn't the fact he wasn't getting regular football as the problem, more so the fact that he was getting regularly taken off EARLY in games whilst others appeared to get more minutes and favoured team selection. However, as I said I could be wrong.

Ask any forward at any level and they will agree that it is very difficult to play when you are constantly looking at the side line waiting for the curly finger in spite of your efforts. You end up trying too hard and digging a bigger hole for yourself. I felt sorry for Coney, admittedly he wasn't playing well but certain players need a run of games (4-6) to show their true worth and he appears to be one of them.

No doubt there will be plenty of posters who will disagree and say he got plenty of chances but this is only my reading of the situation.

Alwasy felt the same regarding forwards and confidence, and everything you have said in the above post is spot on.  The other thing is that there are other players who get the 4 to 6 games and don't set the world alight, definite favourites on the panel without any obvious justification.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on May 21, 2015, 09:58:51 AM
Also doesn't help that it seems there are only at most 3 out and out forwards picked in the forward line probably doesn't help matters. Big fan of Ronan O'Neill think he is a class act and don't think he is out of condition like others are saying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 21, 2015, 10:09:47 AM
Ronan O Neill is a class act. Macca123, speaking to his sigerson teammates from other counties lmao.
You sound like Joe Brolly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on May 21, 2015, 10:55:13 AM
I am not denying that he isn't a great footballer.. he has records to show it. He tore apart underage competitions. I just don't think the game plan that is being played with tyrone at the minute suits him, McCurry I feel has adapted to it better. I still think he would be better going back and focussing on club where he is still showing his true quality. Then when a new Tyrone manager comes in and hopefully plays a system that actually suits proper forwards then he will slide back into the fold. He is a proper forward that I feel can cause serious damage when used effectively.

In hiding... what age are you? Are you a friend that simply can't take people's comments. I am just stating this was a fact- but sure now I am Joe Brolly. Grow up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 21, 2015, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: macca123 on May 21, 2015, 10:55:13 AM
I am not denying that he isn't a great footballer.. he has records to show it. He tore apart underage competitions. I just don't think the game plan that is being played with tyrone at the minute suits him, McCurry I feel has adapted to it better. I still think he would be better going back and focussing on club where he is still showing his true quality. Then when a new Tyrone manager comes in and hopefully plays a system that actually suits proper forwards then he will slide back into the fold. He is a proper forward that I feel can cause serious damage when used effectively.

In hiding... what age are you? Are you a friend that simply can't take people's comments. I am just stating this was a fact- but sure now I am Joe Brolly. Grow up.
I'd say we are friends alright😜
If you have an opinion on something that's fine, don't feel the need to back them up with make believe conversations with sigerson teammates from other counties
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on May 21, 2015, 01:05:24 PM
Why would I make that up? I'm not 4. Pathetic response. Didn't come on here to lie funny enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 21, 2015, 02:45:19 PM
would love to see mattie peter harte conan grugan/kyle coney ronan mccurry and big sean as our front 6 with mcshane and colm cavnagh in midfield. mcnabb tierney and meyler/mcgeary at half back and mccarron mccrory and hampsey in the full back line. if i was tyrone manager that would be my team for next year with oneill or morgan game about in the nat league div 2. with that front six we would give most teams a serious rattle our balance between attacking and defending is not there. we need forwards. coney and o neill should be in that forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 21, 2015, 03:51:13 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 21, 2015, 02:45:19 PM
would love to see mattie peter harte conan grugan/kyle coney ronan mccurry and big sean as our front 6 with mcshane and colm cavnagh in midfield. mcnabb tierney and meyler/mcgeary at half back and mccarron mccrory and hampsey in the full back line. if i was tyrone manager that would be my team for next year with oneill or morgan game about in the nat league div 2. with that front six we would give most teams a serious rattle our balance between attacking and defending is not there. we need forwards. coney and o neill should be in that forward line.

So you drop Mc Aliskey the best attacking threat we had last week and is a proven inside forward for what a man who has been used regular and NEVER cut the mustard at this level or a lad who seems to live of his past reputations. Good youth players don't always make good seniors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on May 21, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 21, 2015, 02:45:19 PM
would love to see mattie peter harte conan grugan/kyle coney ronan mccurry and big sean as our front 6 with mcshane and colm cavnagh in midfield. mcnabb tierney and meyler/mcgeary at half back and mccarron mccrory and hampsey in the full back line. if i was tyrone manager that would be my team for next year with oneill or morgan game about in the nat league div 2. with that front six we would give most teams a serious rattle our balance between attacking and defending is not there. we need forwards. coney and o neill should be in that forward line.
Is that not a front 7?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on May 21, 2015, 04:36:10 PM
Quote from: everymanaman on May 21, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 21, 2015, 02:45:19 PM
would love to see mattie peter harte conan grugan/kyle coney ronan mccurry and big sean as our front 6 with mcshane and colm cavnagh in midfield. mcnabb tierney and meyler/mcgeary at half back and mccarron mccrory and hampsey in the full back line. if i was tyrone manager that would be my team for next year with oneill or morgan game about in the nat league div 2. with that front six we would give most teams a serious rattle our balance between attacking and defending is not there. we need forwards. coney and o neill should be in that forward line.
Is that not a front 7?

at the rate were going we would need the 7
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on May 21, 2015, 04:46:00 PM
Daniel McNulty could be a new target man option. Good with frees as well.  Richard Donnelly another viable choice. .  .  .  .  . .OSE14 - I just wouldnt limit myself to those 7 players you named.  Keep all options open.  Is Niall Sludden on the Tyrone Squad?  He is worth a shot. Lee Brennan another very capable player that could be worked with.  Kyle Coney could also be another viable proposition if he sticks with it. Ciaran McGinley another.  There is plenty of options available OSE14. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on May 21, 2015, 04:57:18 PM
On reading your post again OSE14 I think you'd be a little biased - I would assume you still would have all the existing Omagh fellas on the first 15

Justy McMahon, Clarke, Meyler, Tierney, Grugan, O'Neill and possibly Big Joe? The best player Omagh has never gets a mention, Jason McAnulla.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 21, 2015, 09:30:39 PM
Aye sunny u never far away
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 27, 2015, 11:40:02 PM
I assume we are in the 1a section being played on June 20th?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on May 27, 2015, 11:43:04 PM
No, we are on the B side. Saturday 27th June.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 12, 2015, 11:06:46 PM
Lee Brennan and Conor Meyler added to the Tyrone squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on June 13, 2015, 01:28:32 AM
Good man mickey.  It's going to be deadly..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on June 16, 2015, 09:32:08 AM
Tell you why the names you mention didn't or wont make it, they are good club players but lack the pace required for the roles required of them at county football. Meyler and Brennan are both very quick so they are different types of players. If a player lacks pace then he has to be a brut of a man to succeed. Look at what Kerry have done with Bryan Sheehan for example. The like of Alan Dillon from Mayo lacks pace and always struggles in the really big games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:57:23 AM
Alan Dillon struggles in big games!   :D  ... was kind of considering what you were saying up to that...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 16, 2015, 10:00:46 AM
I believe another starter has walked, heading stateside! Serious exodus of players this year possibly shows the team lack a bit of belief themselves if this is going on!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on June 16, 2015, 10:01:23 AM
Maybe im wrong but I think Mayo people would be off this perception. He is a good player but struggles badly with pace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2015, 10:08:10 AM
I think it is more to do with these players being put into a system which ruins their game... and considering they were relegated and haven't beaten a top team in championship in years clearly isn't working. Something not right when so many are walking away from the set-up... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 16, 2015, 10:34:13 AM
O'Neill seems to have enough about him though without having blistering pace and he isn't exactly slow.  Coney is like a snail and his inability to beat a man is his downfall.  Is McGeary in the squad? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 16, 2015, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 16, 2015, 10:00:46 AM
I believe another starter has walked, heading stateside! Serious exodus of players this year possibly shows the team lack a bit of belief themselves if this is going on!

Who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 16, 2015, 12:10:06 PM
Mc Namee
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on June 16, 2015, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 16, 2015, 12:10:06 PM
Mc Namee

If he goes, hes a massive loss. Good leader at the back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 16, 2015, 12:42:30 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on June 16, 2015, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 16, 2015, 12:10:06 PM
Mc Namee

If he goes, hes a massive loss. Good leader at the back.

He's gone, that early championship round was a disaster on reflection, only good if tyrone were flying high. Lucky its the last year of it! He is a massive loss, probably replace him with Clarke but even pre-injury Clarke was nowhere near mc name. Had really grown into it this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 16, 2015, 12:51:39 PM
McBride could be an option in there, if not Clarke.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 12:58:45 PM
I like McNamee and think its a major blow for the team and fair play to him if he wants to earn a bit of dough in America. But, is this, and the other departures, a little insight into the mindset of some current members of the squad and possibly why they don't have the attitude needed to progress to be the standard of previous teams? Maybe over time we will be left with a squad who are all firing in the same direction and that will be a better position to be in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 16, 2015, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 12:58:45 PM
I like McNamee and think its a major blow for the team and fair play to him if he wants to earn a bit of dough in America. But, is this, and the other departures, a little insight into the mindset of some current members of the squad and possibly why they don't have the attitude needed to progress to be the standard of previous teams? Maybe over time we will be left with a squad who are all firing in the same direction and that will be a better position to be in.

Good point
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2015, 02:54:02 PM
also indicates failure of manager to keep players on board...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on June 16, 2015, 03:08:09 PM
Has ryan mc kenna also left
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on June 16, 2015, 03:32:51 PM
Massive blow for the County,  he probably has become one of our best full back's, really took on the challenge and made that Number 3 Jersey his own.  Sad.  Though remember guys that this is not the first time this has happened and I dont think its a reflection of the management nor the regime.  Hub Hughes left for Australia in 2005 as well as Brian McGuigan.  I also think Mulligan went for a stint during the 'big years'.  Its something that unfortunately happens.  Those are only the 3 most high profile players during the 'big' years, I'm nearly sure other fringe players went as well.  I certainly wouldnt blame Mickey & Co.  After Sundays performance by Armagh I am of the thinking that Tyrone might be the only team that will/did put it up to Donegal.  I dont think any team in Ireland (Dublin, Kerry, Cork or Monaghan) could have went to Ballybofey in May can come out of it with their 'reputation' still intact,  never mind a win!! 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2015, 04:38:38 PM
well they did get relegated... I know some of the players hate playing that system which totally stiffles them...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 16, 2015, 04:49:54 PM
Don't be so ridiculous hate playing that way. They paly any other way they would get thumped. Ye play for the team. Mc Namee is a major loss I think. Mc Kenna gone to states to but not as pivotal. The difference with hub and mc guigan was the season was over when they decided to go and they had won trophies. Also there wasn't a mass exodus like we have seen this year.

Worryingly no matter what supporters think you would hope the players believe there is a chance of all Ireland glory. With people walking away would make you think they really don't and there is problems there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2015, 05:00:39 PM
obviously you don't know too many of them... is it rugby league they are told to play? and is bullsh*t to say it works... they got relegated... duh!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 16, 2015, 05:08:17 PM
Anybody who moans about the style they are being told to play to win for your county or club should go away and jump. Talk about ego getting carried away.

I can assure that wasn't why mc namee left. which is the sad thing. He was one of the fellas who would go into battle 100%. As for someone moaning about the way he is being told to play, ship him off to the states with a one way ticket please and promote an under 21 who wants to play for the team!

"Duh" ? Bored after school?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2015, 05:41:51 PM
so expert, explain what's gone wrong with great talents like Coney, McNiece and now Ronan O'Neill? nothing to do with management?... players that continue to thrive at club level 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them?

Ah come on Longballin, your not trying to tell us that Tyrone are the only county who can't transform every good club player into a county star. Go to any county, in fact any club, in Ireland and they'll tell you about any number of lads who were/are great minors, club players etc but didn't perform for their county at senior. This isn't just a Mickey Harte thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on June 16, 2015, 06:36:34 PM
Maybe i'm wrong but I don't think the blame solely lies with Harte but it is his game plan as he is the manager. To me a lot of GAA players bemoan the roles they have to play there is no freedom of expression in most teams anymore as they have to play to a strict role which can work and has worked in the past, suppose maybe success is the ultimate price and the way the game looks doesn't matter. If players want to go to USA then away they go and enjoy it, it is some experience and can open up so many more possibilities in life. Football will always be here and plenty of other players to take the place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 16, 2015, 06:46:22 PM
Players are walking, others with huge potential not coming through but it's nothing to do with management...  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 17, 2015, 09:30:58 AM
I heard mc geary, burns, mc nulty and Dwayne Quinn all away stateside now to. Don't blame them. This early championship round has been a rip roaring success!

I wonder has mickey tried to get niall sludden in again this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 17, 2015, 12:45:55 PM
Difficult one... waiting for Tyrone to finish championship has also been problematic in recent years. As well players go to USA if club championship starts late August or early September... get rid of county football backdoor would help... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on June 17, 2015, 01:06:34 PM
McGeary and Burns heading to Boston this week
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
McGeary should have been called into the senior squad by this stage.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them?

Ah come on Longballin, your not trying to tell us that Tyrone are the only county who can't transform every good club player into a county star. Go to any county, in fact any club, in Ireland and they'll tell you about any number of lads who were/are great minors, club players etc but didn't perform for their county at senior. This isn't just a Mickey Harte thing.

But there is a longer list of talent in Tyrone that Harte has not brought through than in most other counties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on June 17, 2015, 01:52:24 PM
McGeary was in the panel training with the seniors at the end of last year/start of this year but left to concentrate on Tyrone U21s and Sigerson for St. Mary's. Harte may well treat this as a snub.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
McGeary should have been called into the senior squad by this stage.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them?

Ah come on Longballin, your not trying to tell us that Tyrone are the only county who can't transform every good club player into a county star. Go to any county, in fact any club, in Ireland and they'll tell you about any number of lads who were/are great minors, club players etc but didn't perform for their county at senior. This isn't just a Mickey Harte thing.

But there is a longer list of talent in Tyrone that Harte has not brought through than in most other counties.

Is there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
McGeary should have been called into the senior squad by this stage.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them?

Ah come on Longballin, your not trying to tell us that Tyrone are the only county who can't transform every good club player into a county star. Go to any county, in fact any club, in Ireland and they'll tell you about any number of lads who were/are great minors, club players etc but didn't perform for their county at senior. This isn't just a Mickey Harte thing.

But there is a longer list of talent in Tyrone that Harte has not brought through than in most other counties.

Is there?

Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill, McDermott, Grugan to name a few who were arguably as good as there was in the country yet were not developed under Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 17, 2015, 03:15:38 PM
Plunkett Kane MOM last week Coalisland V Clonoe... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
McGeary should have been called into the senior squad by this stage.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them?

Ah come on Longballin, your not trying to tell us that Tyrone are the only county who can't transform every good club player into a county star. Go to any county, in fact any club, in Ireland and they'll tell you about any number of lads who were/are great minors, club players etc but didn't perform for their county at senior. This isn't just a Mickey Harte thing.

But there is a longer list of talent in Tyrone that Harte has not brought through than in most other counties.

Is there?

Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill, McDermott, Grugan to name a few who were arguably as good as there was in the country yet were not developed under Harte.

What about other counties?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
McGeary should have been called into the senior squad by this stage.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them?

Ah come on Longballin, your not trying to tell us that Tyrone are the only county who can't transform every good club player into a county star. Go to any county, in fact any club, in Ireland and they'll tell you about any number of lads who were/are great minors, club players etc but didn't perform for their county at senior. This isn't just a Mickey Harte thing.

But there is a longer list of talent in Tyrone that Harte has not brought through than in most other counties.

Is there?

Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill, McDermott, Grugan to name a few who were arguably as good as there was in the country yet were not developed under Harte.

What about other counties?

What about them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 17, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on June 17, 2015, 01:52:24 PM
McGeary was in the panel training with the seniors at the end of last year/start of this year but left to concentrate on Tyrone U21s and Sigerson for St. Mary's. Harte may well treat this as a snub.
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What do you mean 'may treat this as a snub'. MH most definitely treats this as a snub - anyone who snubs or does anything to annoy Harte will regret it unfortunately. There are quite a few lads who have suffered because they crossed MH in some form or other and McGeary appears to have been added to the list
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
McGeary should have been called into the senior squad by this stage.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them?

Ah come on Longballin, your not trying to tell us that Tyrone are the only county who can't transform every good club player into a county star. Go to any county, in fact any club, in Ireland and they'll tell you about any number of lads who were/are great minors, club players etc but didn't perform for their county at senior. This isn't just a Mickey Harte thing.

But there is a longer list of talent in Tyrone that Harte has not brought through than in most other counties.

Is there?

Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill, McDermott, Grugan to name a few who were arguably as good as there was in the country yet were not developed under Harte.

What about other counties?

What about them?

Well, you suggested that the list of players Harte hasn't brought through is longer than most other counties so I assume you have some sort of comparable figure?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 17, 2015, 06:48:27 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2015, 03:15:38 PM
Plunkett Kane MOM last week Coalisland V Clonoe...

Plunkett Kane got a good run at the county and never really 'stepped up' IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 17, 2015, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 17, 2015, 06:48:27 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2015, 03:15:38 PM
Plunkett Kane MOM last week Coalisland V Clonoe...

Plunkett Kane got a good run at the county and never really 'stepped up' IMO.

I don't think he got a good run at the county at all and any time he show up well he never got a start the next day.
He was used in the same way Niall McKenna is (and Kevin Gallagher, and dozens of others), MH wants them in a training panel so he can play in house training games.
Did well to make it into the county setup in the first place and can be proud of his efforts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 18, 2015, 11:50:12 AM
Kane did not get fair run with the county.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 18, 2015, 11:50:12 AM
Kane did not get fair run with the county.

Whats a fair run? He was on the panel for a few years, I'd assume that if he was performing in training he would have made the team. You cant just put every decent club player in the starting 15 for a year to see if they can hack it. They must show up better in training than others. This is the part of the process that we don't see. If Mickey didn't rate him he wouldn't have been on the squad, but once he's there, then its up to him to consistently push himself to make the starting 15. If he fell a bit short, then no shame in that but I cant see Mickey overlooking him if he was outstanding week in and week out at training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 18, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 18, 2015, 11:50:12 AM
Kane did not get fair run with the county.

Whats a fair run? He was on the panel for a few years, I'd assume that if he was performing in training he would have made the team. You cant just put every decent club player in the starting 15 for a year to see if they can hack it. They must show up better in training than others. This is the part of the process that we don't see. If Mickey didn't rate him he wouldn't have been on the squad, but once he's there, then its up to him to consistently push himself to make the starting 15. If he fell a bit short, then no shame in that but I cant see Mickey overlooking him if he was outstanding week in and week out at training.

A fair run would be 4 or 5 starts to show up well, though that might be the bulk of a league campaign and if a player underperforms then understandably would be back among the subs. The problem is that even when Kane did perform well he was back on the subs the next day. If you compare that to the opportunities given to Ciaran McGinley and Aidan McCrory then there is a huge level of inconsistency, and it's easy to point the finger at MH for his parochial leanings, however there is an element of truth in it.

I would say Kane did very well to make the county setup and was a very committed member of it who never got a fair crack at making the starting 15 and was used to make up the numbers in a bloated training squad, like many before him and like many will no doubt in the future. I think the commitment of these players is commendable, however I don't think its commendable to keep a players hanging around the outskirts of a squad for 2 or 3 years expecting absolute commitment to training etc. if it is known by management that they are never realistically being considered first team players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 18, 2015, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 17, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 17, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
McGeary should have been called into the senior squad by this stage.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 16, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 16, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
is time to ask why promising young players aren't coming through... McNiece and Coney walk in frustration... Ronan O'Neill not being developed either and heading the same way by all accounts. Now other U 21s being taken in... for the same to happen to them?

Ah come on Longballin, your not trying to tell us that Tyrone are the only county who can't transform every good club player into a county star. Go to any county, in fact any club, in Ireland and they'll tell you about any number of lads who were/are great minors, club players etc but didn't perform for their county at senior. This isn't just a Mickey Harte thing.

But there is a longer list of talent in Tyrone that Harte has not brought through than in most other counties.

Is there?

Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill, McDermott, Grugan to name a few who were arguably as good as there was in the country yet were not developed under Harte.

What about other counties?

What about them?

Well, you suggested that the list of players Harte hasn't brought through is longer than most other counties so I assume you have some sort of comparable figure?

I suggested that there was a longer list of talent in Tyrone, i.e. numerous examples of star men in multiple All Ireland or Ulster winning minor sides.  The fact that Tyrone have produced so many great minor teams with so many of the key men not brought through would suggest that Harte is not the greatest at developing these players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 18, 2015, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 18, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 18, 2015, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 18, 2015, 11:50:12 AM
Kane did not get fair run with the county.

Whats a fair run? He was on the panel for a few years, I'd assume that if he was performing in training he would have made the team. You cant just put every decent club player in the starting 15 for a year to see if they can hack it. They must show up better in training than others. This is the part of the process that we don't see. If Mickey didn't rate him he wouldn't have been on the squad, but once he's there, then its up to him to consistently push himself to make the starting 15. If he fell a bit short, then no shame in that but I cant see Mickey overlooking him if he was outstanding week in and week out at training.

A fair run would be 4 or 5 starts to show up well, though that might be the bulk of a league campaign and if a player underperforms then understandably would be back among the subs. The problem is that even when Kane did perform well he was back on the subs the next day. If you compare that to the opportunities given to Ciaran McGinley and Aidan McCrory then there is a huge level of inconsistency, and it's easy to point the finger at MH for his parochial leanings, however there is an element of truth in it.

I would say Kane did very well to make the county setup and was a very committed member of it who never got a fair crack at making the starting 15 and was used to make up the numbers in a bloated training squad, like many before him and like many will no doubt in the future. I think the commitment of these players is commendable, however I don't think its commendable to keep a players hanging around the outskirts of a squad for 2 or 3 years expecting absolute commitment to training etc. if it is known by management that they are never realistically being considered first team players.


As harsh as it is only 15 are gonna play. The league is important. You can't drop an entire squad and hope for the best with new guys. Can you imagine the outcry if we got beat every game and din't put it up to anyone, but wait its okay plunkett kane got a good run and looked okay but those 4 other guys weren't good enough and now we are relegated.

Harte has obviously falling out with fellas and consistently picked fellas for whatever reason or another but this big idea that 10 new gusy are gonna start 5 games is ludicrous. Why plunkett kane? what about the other 9 new faces. He had his chance and I actually think if he stuck it out would be playing now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bensars on June 19, 2015, 02:03:12 PM
Some people are making an assumption that a good club player automatically will make good county player. Another assumption is some players are deserving of starting positions based on time served within the panel.

If they were good enough in training they would have forced their way through. I could see someone being overlooked, due in inexperience,  initially but certainly not over a period of several years.

Good club players dont necessarily make the break through at county level, even when given the oppurtunity. Doesnt make them bad players. Sometimes at club level they are the big fish in the small pond with a lot of the club resources in terms of play going through them.

The same luxury of supply is  not afforded at county level against better players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
...or perhaps the manager makes the wrong call or has a wee favouritism to some...  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on June 19, 2015, 04:18:04 PM
All this talk about players leaving the panel no mention of shea mc guigan pj lavery dwayne quinn are they just not good enough to warrant a mention
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 19, 2015, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on June 19, 2015, 04:18:04 PM
All this talk about players leaving the panel no mention of shea mc guigan pj lavery dwayne quinn are they just not good enough to warrant a mention

Shay Mc Guigan - definitely not good enough and had plenty of chances

Dwayne Quinn - Not in a starting position yet but would and hopefully still will come good

PJ Lavery - I think definitely would have made the team eventually if he had stuck at it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on June 19, 2015, 04:47:49 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 17, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on June 17, 2015, 01:52:24 PM
McGeary was in the panel training with the seniors at the end of last year/start of this year but left to concentrate on Tyrone U21s and Sigerson for St. Mary's. Harte may well treat this as a snub.
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What do you mean 'may treat this as a snub'. MH most definitely treats this as a snub - anyone who snubs or does anything to annoy Harte will regret it unfortunately. There are quite a few lads who have suffered because they crossed MH in some form or other and McGeary appears to have been added to the list


What about Matthew Donnelly? Didnt he do the very same thing a few years back? No grudge there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on June 20, 2015, 12:26:14 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 17, 2015, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 17, 2015, 06:48:27 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2015, 03:15:38 PM
Plunkett Kane MOM last week Coalisland V Clonoe...
I disagree with you on my kenna.  He has reached that level in the last 12 months and is now a class act so harte deserves his credit in developing him. Unfortunately he is wrecked this year with injury.

Plunkett Kane got a good run at the county and never really 'stepped up' IMO.

I don't think he got a good run at the county at all and any time he show up well he never got a start the next day.
He was used in the same way Niall McKenna is (and Kevin Gallagher, and dozens of others), MH wants them in a training panel so he can play in house training games.
Did well to make it into the county setup in the first place and can be proud of his efforts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 20, 2015, 09:10:51 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
...or perhaps the manager makes the wrong call or has a wee favouritism to some...  ;)

Some crap talked on here of late. I'd love to see the team some of you boys would be putting out. Sounds like it would be made up of players who have had chances and never done it at senior level. The same boys on here complaining about boys not getting a run of games would be the first complaining when we got beat playing badly and continued giving the same players games. Out of interest Longballin what would your first 15 be and who is Harte's favourites your referring to?

We've had good minor teams in the last ten years but I'm not sure the blame can be put solely on Harte for players not coming through. It's a very difficult set up and we were very fortunate with the 97/98 minor team. Don't forget they went on to prove themselves at u21 level. Whereas the players who played well at minor level in the last ten years went on to totally flop at u21 level which was nothing to do with Harte.

To be honest I don't think the team sent out the last day was that far away from the best we have available. There might be a few players with more natural ability like Coney and O'Neill not playing but that doesn't mean they're worth there place on the team. Harte was very unselfish in his use of the u21s throughout the league.

When you saw what Donegal did to Armagh last week and the fact we had a bit of inexperience including 3 debutants and still ran Donegal very close I feel it was a performance that can be built on. If the players show the same hunger and a few u21s push on we can still have a decent summer ahead.

A lot of speculation on here about McNamee but has anything actually been confirmed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on June 20, 2015, 11:14:29 AM
I'd love to see the tactical maestro that is lingballin give us his team which is sure to be the blue print for winning the next few All Ireland's. Give us a nugget of your eternal wisdom.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 20, 2015, 05:25:27 PM
nobody will be going stateside tyrone will be in croke park in august
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 21, 2015, 06:23:15 PM
I would suggest that "favouritism" may be down to what a player does in training. Consistent performance and application may result in what appears as additional chances.

A lot of good minor players and teams didn't transition successfully through u21 level leading to the loss ofvthe winning squad mentality at senior level. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 21, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
Correct Leo on the first bit. Nobody more so than paddy mc niece who was unstoppable at training and always played rubbish then in a big game. Anybody that was dropped honestly wasn't a first team starter come champ time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 22, 2015, 12:58:25 PM
I aren't called longballin for nothing... is rugby league we're playing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 29, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Peter Hughes bound to be scundered with Tyrone. Has yet to make his championship debut. Richie Donnelly has come into panel and made his yesterday- yet Peter has been on the panel for a couple of years now- is around 27 and has done all the training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on June 29, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 29, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Peter Hughes bound to be scundered with Tyrone. Has yet to make his championship debut. Richie Donnelly has come into panel and made his yesterday- yet Peter has been on the panel for a couple of years now- is around 27 and has done all the training.

whats the story here under lights? you on here trying to get lads to leave the panel? it used to be a great thing playing for tyrone. now we are suggesting who should leave next.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 29, 2015, 09:06:52 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on June 29, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 29, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
Peter Hughes bound to be scundered with Tyrone. Has yet to make his championship debut. Richie Donnelly has come into panel and made his yesterday- yet Peter has been on the panel for a couple of years now- is around 27 and has done all the training.

whats the story here under lights? you on here trying to get lads to leave the panel? it used to be a great thing playing for tyrone. now we are suggesting who should leave next.

Not saying that at all. Just mean he must be wondering when he will get his championship chance. Has done well in league and McKenna cup and that. MH must believe there is something about him worth keeping him on panel otherwise he would have culled him with Asian Cassidy and red Sean that time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 29, 2015, 10:39:57 PM
Maybe Peter isn't playing that well and Donnelly was at training. That's how i pick my teams anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 30, 2015, 10:44:04 PM
Dermy Carlin announced his inter county retirement tonight. Good squad player over the years, a few All Ireland's in the bag - not a bad careers work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 01, 2015, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 30, 2015, 10:44:04 PM
Dermy Carlin announced his inter county retirement tonight. Good squad player over the years, a few All Ireland's in the bag - not a bad careers work.

Maybe a bit hard done by in the past and had the ability/form to warrant a command a starting place but Ricey and Jordan were in his road. No shame. Good servant.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on July 01, 2015, 09:01:16 AM
He had one outstanding year...was it 07?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 01, 2015, 09:59:31 AM
I think that was the year he was Tyrone's best player in Ulster and was awarded by being dropped for the Meath game... a game they got hammered in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 01, 2015, 10:33:33 AM
Quote from: longballin on July 01, 2015, 09:59:31 AM
I think that was the year he was Tyrone's best player in Ulster and was awarded by being dropped for the Meath game... a game they got hammered in.

I remember that now that you mention it - there was talk of an all star that year with the form he had been showing up to the point where he got dropped for the Meath game - heard that Harte hadn't the balls to tell him in person either - sent Dooher to do it instead!!

Anyway always counted Carlin great player and deserved every medal he got with Tyrone - Its a great boost to Killycloghers dark horse championship bid!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on July 01, 2015, 11:43:19 AM
Really strange time for someone to leave a county panel. What is going on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 01, 2015, 03:12:26 PM
Martin McHugh said it is something to do with the troubles being over  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on July 01, 2015, 03:46:07 PM
the way things are going our in-house games will be 10 a side !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on July 01, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Forgot to say also - at least 2 members of the squad are waiting to see what happens this weekend before deciding what to do regarding the states. Deadline for transfers is next Wednesday 8th and they are waiting to see what way they are fixed regarding - selection, game time, result... in that order!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 01, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
I wouldn't worry too much. These lads who are leaving are decent squad players but aren't going to make or break a possible All Ireland push anytime soon. They are probably looking over their shoulder and seeing a raft of U21 coming along like the Brennan's, Bradley, Meyler etc and realising that they are falling further and further down the pecking order. I don't blame them for jumping ship and either making a bit of cash in America or concentrating on their clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 01, 2015, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 01, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Forgot to say also - at least 2 members of the squad are waiting to see what happens this weekend before deciding what to do regarding the states. Deadline for transfers is next Wednesday 8th and they are waiting to see what way they are fixed regarding - selection, game time, result... in that order!!

Well I doubt they will know if there is any change regarding selection, game time or result by Wednesday as he announces the team on Thursday and the match is Saturday the 11th. I smell bullshit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 01, 2015, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 01, 2015, 03:12:26 PM
Martin McHugh said it is something to do with the troubles being over  :P

I thought that was a strange comment to make. As far as I would be aware, GAA participation amongst  young people in the occupied 6 counties was increasing (Open to correction, just my perception).
Martin seemed to make his point due to the 6 counties senior teams lack of quality this past few years - does this have any merit?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 01, 2015, 06:46:09 PM
Why does Irish News hype up young Tyrone players so much? seems to be more than other counties... was Kyle Coney then Ronan O Neill and now moved on to Mark Bradley after one game. Doesn't do them any favours
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 01, 2015, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 01, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Forgot to say also - at least 2 members of the squad are waiting to see what happens this weekend before deciding what to do regarding the states. Deadline for transfers is next Wednesday 8th and they are waiting to see what way they are fixed regarding - selection, game time, result... in that order!!

Heard the same. One of the lads in question is still in club championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 02, 2015, 10:39:10 AM
Would it be useful for Tyrone to have a junior team? Seems more of a Munster thing but may be a useful intermediate step to Senior. Much has been talked of certain players county potential I think it could have merit. Given the club fixtures are regularly thrown to the wayside anyway you'd suspect it wouldn't cause any more fixture havoc.

Any thoughts?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/video-second-half-onslaught-sees-kerry-retain-title-340300.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on July 02, 2015, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 01, 2015, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 01, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Forgot to say also - at least 2 members of the squad are waiting to see what happens this weekend before deciding what to do regarding the states. Deadline for transfers is next Wednesday 8th and they are waiting to see what way they are fixed regarding - selection, game time, result... in that order!!

Heard the same. One of the lads in question is still in club championship

You are correct , 1 is still in club championship and the other has started both championship games to date...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 02, 2015, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 02, 2015, 10:39:10 AM
Would it be useful for Tyrone to have a junior team? Seems more of a Munster thing but may be a useful intermediate step to Senior. Much has been talked of certain players county potential I think it could have merit. Given the club fixtures are regularly thrown to the wayside anyway you'd suspect it wouldn't cause any more fixture havoc.

Any thoughts?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/video-second-half-onslaught-sees-kerry-retain-title-340300.html

We used to have one up to around 87 or 88. IIRC we won it in 86 and a couple of players stepped up to the senior panel later in the summer.
What are the current rules around eligibility, is it simply a reserve team or is it players picked from non-Senior clubs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 02, 2015, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 02, 2015, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 01, 2015, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 01, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Forgot to say also - at least 2 members of the squad are waiting to see what happens this weekend before deciding what to do regarding the states. Deadline for transfers is next Wednesday 8th and they are waiting to see what way they are fixed regarding - selection, game time, result... in that order!!

Heard the same. One of the lads in question is still in club championship

You are correct , 1 is still in club championship and the other has started both championship games to date...

aha started but not finished by the sounds of it lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 02, 2015, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on July 02, 2015, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 02, 2015, 10:39:10 AM
Would it be useful for Tyrone to have a junior team? Seems more of a Munster thing but may be a useful intermediate step to Senior. Much has been talked of certain players county potential I think it could have merit. Given the club fixtures are regularly thrown to the wayside anyway you'd suspect it wouldn't cause any more fixture havoc.

Any thoughts?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/video-second-half-onslaught-sees-kerry-retain-title-340300.html

We used to have one up to around 87 or 88. IIRC we won it in 86 and a couple of players stepped up to the senior panel later in the summer.
What are the current rules around eligibility, is it simply a reserve team or is it players picked from non-Senior clubs?

Unaware of the rules surrounding eligibility, if it were non-senior clubs only then perhaps that would defeat the purpose a bit. I'm sure it could be ran at minimal enough cost, given it's potential benefits. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on July 02, 2015, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 02, 2015, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 01, 2015, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 01, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Forgot to say also - at least 2 members of the squad are waiting to see what happens this weekend before deciding what to do regarding the states. Deadline for transfers is next Wednesday 8th and they are waiting to see what way they are fixed regarding - selection, game time, result... in that order!!

Heard the same. One of the lads in question is still in club championship

You are correct , 1 is still in club championship and the other has started both championship games to date...

Awk lads come on spill the beans for the rest of us who don't know who you are talking about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on July 02, 2015, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 01, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Forgot to say also - at least 2 members of the squad are waiting to see what happens this weekend before deciding what to do regarding the states. Deadline for transfers is next Wednesday 8th and they are waiting to see what way they are fixed regarding - selection, game time, result... in that order!!

  Names ! Names !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on July 02, 2015, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 01, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
I wouldn't worry too much. These lads who are leaving are decent squad players but aren't going to make or break a possible All Ireland push anytime soon. They are probably looking over their shoulder and seeing a raft of U21 coming along like the Brennan's, Bradley, Meyler etc and realising that they are falling further and further down the pecking order. I don't blame them for jumping ship and either making a bit of cash in America or concentrating on their clubs.

Names ! Names!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 02, 2015, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on July 02, 2015, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 01, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
I wouldn't worry too much. These lads who are leaving are decent squad players but aren't going to make or break a possible All Ireland push anytime soon. They are probably looking over their shoulder and seeing a raft of U21 coming along like the Brennan's, Bradley, Meyler etc and realising that they are falling further and further down the pecking order. I don't blame them for jumping ship and either making a bit of cash in America or concentrating on their clubs.

Names ! Names!

I meant those that have already left.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 12, 2015, 01:34:26 PM
What has happened Tyrone? Complete shambles at the minute. A team of overhyped players who produced 5 years ago at minor but have done nothing since.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on July 12, 2015, 01:45:34 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on July 12, 2015, 01:34:26 PM
What has happened Tyrone? Complete shambles at the minute. A team of overhyped players who produced 5 years ago at minor but have done nothing since.

Whose hyping them up???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 15, 2015, 05:54:09 PM
Anyone else feel the joy has gone clean out of following Tyrone? A lot of people seem to want them beat to get on with the club football while the country hates Tyrone. Also the RTE carryon has not got total support across the county... far from it. Do most people really care about Saturday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on July 15, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2015, 05:54:09 PM
Anyone else feel the joy has gone clean out of following Tyrone? A lot of people seem to want them beat to get on with the club football while the country hates Tyrone. Also the RTE carryon has not got total support across the county... far from it. Do most people really care about Saturday?

Have to say I loved beating Meath on Sunday, even by giving them a sniff of the win too. Good revenge for 96.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 15, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
I still really enjoy going to the games, however, what I notice is a massive drop in crowd atmosphere. Can't remember the last time I heard an aul "Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* or a sneaky "C'mon Tyrone, c'mon Tyrone!"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on July 17, 2015, 06:41:46 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 15, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
I still really enjoy going to the games, however, what I notice is a massive drop in crowd atmosphere. Can't remember the last time I heard an aul "Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* or a sneaky "C'mon Tyrone, c'mon Tyrone!"

Erm....the Meath game.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 22, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 15, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
I still really enjoy going to the games, however, what I notice is a massive drop in crowd atmosphere. Can't remember the last time I heard an aul "Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* or a sneaky "C'mon Tyrone, c'mon Tyrone!"

We've become a more refined bunch ;-)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 03:57:23 PM
What would be the best pub in Belfast to watch the match Saturday with no fear of that aul "ground ball" being on intstead?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on August 04, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
1. Parador pub  top of ormeau  . Good atmosphere   good  guinness  good pub food.   Good volume to matches on screens
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 05, 2015, 02:02:22 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 03:57:23 PM
What would be the best pub in Belfast to watch the match Saturday with no fear of that aul "ground ball" being on intstead?

Hatfield House.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 09, 2015, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 22, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 15, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
I still really enjoy going to the games, however, what I notice is a massive drop in crowd atmosphere. Can't remember the last time I heard an aul "Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* or a sneaky "C'mon Tyrone, c'mon Tyrone!"

We've become a more refined bunch ;-)

What did you think of our support yesterday.
I was in 728 upper Hogan and it was pathetic. Only a few of us speckled around and no cheering, chanting or flags.
Were fans expecting to win and waiting for the Kerry game or have people lost interest and don't rate our chances any more. I've only missed the Sligo game this year as was at Galway races but very disappointed all year with our support.

Talking of which, get behind the team now and make your voice heard on my Tyrone positivity thread. Too many of us just sit back and take it all on the chin but don't speak out or discuss what's good about this team. We need to give our side of the story and fright back against the begrudgers.
The reaction on here yesterday after our great win was disgusting for me to read.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleafgael on August 09, 2015, 01:29:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 09, 2015, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 22, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 15, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
I still really enjoy going to the games, however, what I notice is a massive drop in crowd atmosphere. Can't remember the last time I heard an aul "Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* or a sneaky "C'mon Tyrone, c'mon Tyrone!"

We've become a more refined bunch ;-)

What did you think of our support yesterday.
I was in 728 upper Hogan and it was pathetic. Only a few of us speckled around and no cheering, chanting or flags.
Were fans expecting to win and waiting for the Kerry game or have people lost interest and don't rate our chances any more. I've only missed the Sligo game this year as was at Galway races but very disappointed all year with our support.

Talking of which, get behind the team now and make your voice heard on my Tyrone positivity thread. Too many of us just sit back and take it all on the chin but don't speak out or discuss what's good about this team. We need to give our side of the story and fright back against the begrudgers.
The reaction on here yesterday after our great win was disgusting for me to read.

I would say that noughties spoilt a lot with success. One thing I have noticed with the Tyrone crowd is that it is noticeably smaller for a Saturday match than a Sunday game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 09, 2015, 02:12:59 PM
fuzzman premiership started yesterday bandwagoners be up and running for semi final no doubt
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 09, 2015, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 22, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 15, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
I still really enjoy going to the games, however, what I notice is a massive drop in crowd atmosphere. Can't remember the last time I heard an aul "Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* Tyrone *clap, clap, clap* or a sneaky "C'mon Tyrone, c'mon Tyrone!"

We've become a more refined bunch ;-)

What did you think of our support yesterday.
I was in 728 upper Hogan and it was pathetic. Only a few of us speckled around and no cheering, chanting or flags.
Were fans expecting to win and waiting for the Kerry game or have people lost interest and don't rate our chances any more. I've only missed the Sligo game this year as was at Galway races but very disappointed all year with our support.

Talking of which, get behind the team now and make your voice heard on my Tyrone positivity thread. Too many of us just sit back and take it all on the chin but don't speak out or discuss what's good about this team. We need to give our side of the story and fright back against the begrudgers.
The reaction on here yesterday after our great win was disgusting for me to read.

Do you not live in Dublin Fuzzman?

It doesn't cost you a pile to get there, nor warrants a full day off work for yourself does it? A bit harsh to be saying it was 'pathetic'.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2015, 08:06:45 PM
I don't think he was criticising people who had to work or genuinely couldn't afford it. His point was more that we were outnumbered by other counties and I'm sure people have work there and Monaghan is a lot smaller to. If we get to the final cost won't be an issue.

Hopefully a lot more supporters come out for Kerry as the team will need all the support they can get with all neutrals and potentially a ref against them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 10, 2015, 02:23:45 AM
Quote from: referee on August 09, 2015, 11:57:57 PM
What won't help Tyrone is the negative talk that is being talked on rte (Sunday game pundits) ,and Tyrone management refusing to talk to rte,in the noughties the only negative shit was Jordan lying down when Marsden got sent off ,vT Mc Cann had great game but willl be remembered for getting D Hughes sent off aka D Mone on M Penrose  2013

He didn't get Hughes sent off. Hughes got a black card for his foul on Richard Donnelly. He was already on a yellow so then he received a red card. RTE have spun this fact. The referee was standing right in front of McCann and didn't take any action after McCann fell to the ground.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on August 10, 2015, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2015, 08:06:45 PM
I don't think he was criticising people who had to work or genuinely couldn't afford it. His point was more that we were outnumbered by other counties and I'm sure people have work there and Monaghan is a lot smaller to. If we get to the final cost won't be an issue.

Hopefully a lot more supporters come out for Kerry as the team will need all the support they can get with all neutrals and potentially a ref against them.

In my case, it's to do with my health. I can't risk getting a bad cold or chest infection, so I'm missing a lot of club and county games in recent years. Going to try and make the semi-final though, weather permitting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on August 11, 2015, 05:19:13 PM
I thinks it's a shame Tyrone won't talk to RTE,obv the players nominated won't be going to the all star awards as they're sponsored or maybe the show is just covered by RTE and will be forced to talk for RTE, shame as I think a few players will be selected this year the way things are going!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2015, 05:54:22 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on August 11, 2015, 05:19:13 PM
I thinks it's a shame Tyrone won't talk to RTE,obv the players nominated won't be going to the all star awards as they're sponsored or maybe the show is just covered by RTE and will be forced to talk for RTE, shame as I think a few players will be selected this year the way things are going!

Eh? Matches are covered by RTE and they still play. Why would the Opel All Stars be boycotted by Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on August 11, 2015, 10:38:29 PM
Hearing Tiernan McCann got 8 week ban!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 11, 2015, 11:37:56 PM
The CCCC, RTE and Southern Media are a disgrace. Should be ashamed of themselves. What a joke!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on August 12, 2015, 07:38:05 AM
I just thought they Wundt go because there guna have to talk onstage for RTE and isn't this what there all against!
I can't see them collecting there award and walking off the stage and making a scene live on RTE
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 16, 2015, 08:55:51 AM
Jeepers Norf. Relax would ya.
All I'm saying is Tyrone used to have unbelievable support back in 80s, 90s and 00s. The noise in 95 AI final when they team came out was unreal and the atmosphere in 2005, in the second half of the second Dublin game when they started to come back at us was the best I've ever experienced including HUGE soccer games.

Yes I can appreciate Dublin is a long day away and an expensive one if you bring family but I'm just stating facts. Monaghan, Donegal and Mayo who must be bloody tired and skint coming to Croker with little to show are really out numbering us big time.
Is it all the negavity around us, low expectations, style if play, expense, waiting for Kerry or had our hunger satisfied from 10 years ago?
Yes it's much easier and cheaper for me but also sad that my Dub kids now see us as one of the small guys at their big GAA table.
I've the flag out on our street where Kerry, Mayo and of course Dubs all live in harmony. At least til next Monday.

On the RTE issue.
I have come full circle. I too said Tyrone board need to get back on side with RTE but after thus year and how they treated us I would be delighted if we publically embarrassed them by snubbing them again and again.
This Tyrade on singling us out over others has now very obvious evidence that RTE and other pundits & Journalists called for a ban whilst others walk free.
What my ideal scenario would be
1. We win Sam, let RTE in to the banquet pretending all is cool but then do NO interviews
2. Harte retires at the top with his dignity intact
3. New season, new manager, new start and move on to allow RTE back into the fold after lesson learnt.

As Gordon (from Thomas the tank engine) would say

" O, the indignity"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 16, 2015, 08:57:47 AM
Anyone any idea where Tyrone are training today?
PM me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on August 18, 2015, 10:06:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8-BGh8Ypmk

Always good value
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on August 21, 2015, 10:49:49 AM
Kerry have named a very strong team as expected. Key to us doing well will be the kick outs will Morgan be able to set up attacks taking into consideration Kerry will be pushing up on our kickouts forcing him to kick long. Kerry are strong around the middle will our lack of height or strength hamper our ability to get the ball and scores. I think this is going to be a very interesting aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 23, 2015, 05:01:43 PM
Yeehaaa, Tyrone being out Tyroned by the Kingdom. Whinging hoors them Tyrone. When do the theatrics/acting classes recommence?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 23, 2015, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 23, 2015, 05:01:43 PM
Yeehaaa, Tyrone being out Tyroned by the Kingdom. Whinging hoors them Tyrone. When do the theatrics/acting classes recommence?

Why are you not complaining about Kerrys Cynical play? Should have had at least 4 black cards. You dirty hypocrite! You were quick to attack Tyrone last week. Kerry had 13 men behind the ball today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 23, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
Sure where did they learn that negative crap from?  The very essence of gaelic football is too attack and at pace. Let players express themselves! I'm from the North by the way and am totally ashamed that Tyrone call that football. Tyrone are destroying the game. Enjoy the final possibly Dubs v Kerry, u will then see real football.  As I said out Tyroned by Kerry. Up the kingdom.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 23, 2015, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 23, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
Sure where did they learn that negative crap from?  The very essence of gaelic football is too attack and at pace. Let players express themselves! I'm from the North by the way and am totally ashamed that Tyrone call that football. Tyrone are destroying the game. Enjoy the final possibly Dubs v Kerry, u will then see real football.  As I said out Tyroned by Kerry. Up the kingdom.

Surely your aware that Donegal popularised the defensive, cynical style of play. Dublin also use mass defence. Tyrone's system only reacted to all the other teams that had overtaken them with a defensive system.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 11:10:38 PM
I think we're in a good place, we've a good bunch of young players there and now we have a defined system in place and finally some new leaders in the team.

I think there's plenty of current players outside the squad at the minute who could really improve the team, I know some of them have had their chances and all but I'd like to see them being give another shot now we have structure to the side:

Coney - I'd like to see him being given a shot round the middle of the pitch, I know he's had his chances and there may have been a falling out with Mickey but he is a very good fielder and played his best football underage further out the pitch. Maybe he's a bit lazy/immobile for the system in place now but there's definitely a footballer in there and he's too good just to discard at this stage.

Conan Grugan - I think he could make a big difference for us. He's a big atheltic guy who can kick great long range scores and could really give aid us on our kickouts from the half forward line.

Hampsey - Looked brilliant for the u21s this year, I think he's good enough to break into our starting team next year and take McCrory's place

Michael Cassidy - Again looked very good for the u21s and the type of dynamic player who would thrive in our current system.

Niall Sludden - Think he deserves a go at county.

McGeary - Should be a cert for the squad next season, very good option for the half back or half forward line

Danny McNulty - Another one of the u21s who should be given a crack, I expected a little more from him this year for the u21s but he has the kind of ball winning abilities we are lacking around the full forward line right now

Is Mark Kavanagh too light for senior intercounty football right now? He's a smashing player.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 24, 2015, 04:08:45 PM
Some good suggestions there Bomber. I would add Harry Og Conlon, very similar to big McNulty and would really suit that system as he is a strong runner and good finisher. In terms of free takers I would say Conor McCreesh is best in the county and could be worked on...........then there are all the under 21s and whoever does well in the club championships........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on August 24, 2015, 04:14:09 PM
Stephen McNally of Coalisland would be well suited to Tyrone's style of play. Was in before but barely given a game. Quality player. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stall the Bailer on August 24, 2015, 04:23:11 PM
Hopefully no retirements and we can build on this years progress.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on August 25, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
The obvious clear issue here is that we need 2 top class finishers up fron to maybe support cav if he comes back. Mc caliskey, mc curry and morgan bottled it when it mattered. I just don't know where we are going to get them from.

I'm placing a lot of hope in brennan but who else. Possibly Coney worth another shot? Conor O'Donnell from Omagh? he is in serious nick this year. Big Mc Nulty but has he the tempermant and commitment. Can hit a free to.

I think if we got 2 scoring forwards and Mickey o'neill in nets we would not be far away

Mc Geary Burns Hampsey should all come in but they cover positions where we are strong
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on August 25, 2015, 10:34:49 AM
Think all this talk of Kyle Coney needs knocked on the head to save wasting time - not an option; most definitely not in favour with the management with legitimate reasons and arguably no better than what the county has at its disposal already. Been given more chances than many others and didn't make it. No point tellin lies, personally feel he's a rotten apple, not one id want on my panel judging from reports anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 25, 2015, 01:43:57 PM
It's been a decent year for the county team with an u21 all ireland and seniors making semis. Plenty of players getting important championship experience like Meyler, Bradley, Brennan, McCann, mcnulty.

Next year will be very important now. Look what happened Armagh after a good championship last year. It's critical now that we push on and the young boys improve. We shouldn't have any retirements and there is a good age profile in the squad.

It's important the county gets behind Harte now, the signs are there that he's capable of building a new team. This last few years and up until the Monaghan game there's been to much negativity towards the team from within the county. I actually think it helped contribute to players leaving the panel and others turning down the opportunity to join it. With a bit of unity and support I believe we can add to our 3 all Ireland's over the next few years.

Hoping to see the likes of hampsey, Mullan, McGeary called up from the u21s. Also maybe the likes of Sludden and a few others. Mccurry hasn't been consistent enough with the frees but he's still only 22 so could well improve going forward with experience.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on August 25, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 25, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
The obvious clear issue here is that we need 2 top class finishers up fron to maybe support cav if he comes back. Mc caliskey, mc curry and morgan bottled it when it mattered. I just don't know where we are going to get them from.

I'm placing a lot of hope in brennan but who else. Possibly Coney worth another shot? Conor O'Donnell from Omagh? he is in serious nick this year. Big Mc Nulty but has he the tempermant and commitment. Can hit a free to.

I think if we got 2 scoring forwards and Mickey o'neill in nets we would not be far away

Mc Geary Burns Hampsey should all come in but they cover positions where we are strong

I can name you fifty lads in Tyrone who can hit a free but that is not what we need - we need a man who can score a free in the white heat of championship battle. Loads of players can hit frees when they are 4 or 5 up and curl them over like Messi but not worth a fcuk unless you can do it when it matters - there is no one in Tyrone that springs to mind who is 100% totally reliable...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on August 25, 2015, 04:07:15 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 25, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 25, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
The obvious clear issue here is that we need 2 top class finishers up fron to maybe support cav if he comes back. Mc caliskey, mc curry and morgan bottled it when it mattered. I just don't know where we are going to get them from.

I'm placing a lot of hope in brennan but who else. Possibly Coney worth another shot? Conor O'Donnell from Omagh? he is in serious nick this year. Big Mc Nulty but has he the tempermant and commitment. Can hit a free to.

I think if we got 2 scoring forwards and Mickey o'neill in nets we would not be far away

Mc Geary Burns Hampsey should all come in but they cover positions where we are strong

I can name you fifty lads in Tyrone who can hit a free but that is not what we need - we need a man who can score a free in the white heat of championship battle. Loads of players can hit frees when they are 4 or 5 up and curl them over like Messi but not worth a fcuk unless you can do it when it matters - there is no one in Tyrone that springs to mind who is 100% totally reliable...

Danny doesn't miss many and the ones missed in the last 10 mins the other day he kicks them over with ease.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on August 25, 2015, 04:21:35 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on August 25, 2015, 04:07:15 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 25, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 25, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
The obvious clear issue here is that we need 2 top class finishers up fron to maybe support cav if he comes back. Mc caliskey, mc curry and morgan bottled it when it mattered. I just don't know where we are going to get them from.

I'm placing a lot of hope in brennan but who else. Possibly Coney worth another shot? Conor O'Donnell from Omagh? he is in serious nick this year. Big Mc Nulty but has he the tempermant and commitment. Can hit a free to.

I think if we got 2 scoring forwards and Mickey o'neill in nets we would not be far away

Mc Geary Burns Hampsey should all come in but they cover positions where we are strong

I can name you fifty lads in Tyrone who can hit a free but that is not what we need - we need a man who can score a free in the white heat of championship battle. Loads of players can hit frees when they are 4 or 5 up and curl them over like Messi but not worth a fcuk unless you can do it when it matters - there is no one in Tyrone that springs to mind who is 100% totally reliable...

Danny doesn't miss many and the ones missed in the last 10 mins the other day he kicks them over with ease.

My reply to the previous post wasn't individually directed at McNulty - absolutely not.  I directed it at the general club scene in Tyrone where IMO there are no 'out and out' free takers that I would hand on heart back 100 times out of 100 in championship football. McNulty has a super kicking technique and can score from distance but could he have done it on Sunday past when  it was needed.  My other point basically was that plenty of lads could do it when you are few points up but can they do when you are a few points down - totally different scenario
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on August 26, 2015, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 26, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 23, 2015, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 23, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
Sure where did they learn that negative crap from?  The very essence of gaelic football is too attack and at pace. Let players express themselves! I'm from the North by the way and am totally ashamed that Tyrone call that football. Tyrone are destroying the game. Enjoy the final possibly Dubs v Kerry, u will then see real football.  As I said out Tyroned by Kerry. Up the kingdom.

Surely your aware that Donegal popularised the defensive, cynical style of play. Dublin also use mass defence. Tyrone's system only reacted to all the other teams that had oertaken them with a defensive system.
oh did they now? Thatz a load of aul nonsense. Tytone in my book gave destroyed the game . Whilst I gave no love for Brooly and O'Rourke Tyrone have left a very negative impact over the past 12 to 15 year. Have to agree with O'Rourke on this one, most certainly a bad smell has followed Tyrone. As for the cretin Hart the sooner ge moves aside and makes way for Canavan the bettee. The Church, Knights and corporate Tyrone have propped up  the legacy of Hart for too long. I fear he will eventually need to be pushed. For Hart to be equated to the great Mick O'Dwyer is an insult to the Kerry maestro.  Hart us luving on the backs of othoth which sadly is immoral but a common occurrence now days in society. Hes not the only one mind you.

Ask yourself this, are Tyrone so disliked by the majority of counties due to the number of Sams they have won or is it purely because of the tactics, style of football and their cheating/whinging antics?  (Diving, sledging, feigning injury!)

What a load of rambling bullshit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 26, 2015, 09:42:56 AM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 26, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
As for the cretin Hart...

Say what you like about "Hart", but he probably doesn't go online to verbally abuse people from behind a fake name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 26, 2015, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 26, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 23, 2015, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 23, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
Sure where did they learn that negative crap from?  The very essence of gaelic football is too attack and at pace. Let players express themselves! I'm from the North by the way and am totally ashamed that Tyrone call that football. Tyrone are destroying the game. Enjoy the final possibly Dubs v Kerry, u will then see real football.  As I said out Tyroned by Kerry. Up the kingdom.

Surely your aware that Donegal popularised the defensive, cynical style of play. Dublin also use mass defence. Tyrone's system only reacted to all the other teams that had oertaken them with a defensive system.
oh did they now? Thatz a load of aul nonsense. Tytone in my book gave destroyed the game . Whilst I gave no love for Brooly and O'Rourke Tyrone have left a very negative impact over the past 12 to 15 year. Have to agree with O'Rourke on this one, most certainly a bad smell has followed Tyrone. As for the cretin Hart the sooner ge moves aside and makes way for Canavan the bettee. The Church, Knights and corporate Tyrone have propped up  the legacy of Hart for too long. I fear he will eventually need to be pushed. For Hart to be equated to the great Mick O'Dwyer is an insult to the Kerry maestro.  Hart us luving on the backs of othoth which sadly is immoral but a common occurrence now days in society. Hes not the only one mind you.

Ask yourself this, are Tyrone so disliked by the majority of counties due to the number of Sams they have won or is it purely because of the tactics, style of football and their cheating/whinging antics?  (Diving, sledging, feigning injury!)


Interesting wind-up angle.

Continue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 27, 2015, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 26, 2015, 09:42:56 AM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 26, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
As for the cretin Hart...

Say what you like about "Hart", but he probably doesn't go online to verbally abuse people from behind a fake name.
Is yours not a fake name?  I'm quite happy to provide mine and stand by what I say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandroar on August 27, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
Quotes from getevennotcross:
"...the sooner ge moves aside and makes way for Canavan the bettee."
"Hart us luving on the backs of othoth which sadly is immoral but a common occurrence now days in society."
"Is yours not a fake name? I'm quite happy to provide mine and stand by what I say."

I'm glad you are willing to stand by what you say – now all we have to do is to try to figure out exactly what that is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 27, 2015, 02:29:39 PM
The inate persecution complex in Tyrone is alive and kicking I see.  Sure its no more than that you deserve. Well, being the mist disliked county in the country brings about such plaudits.  As I said previously, no great love for Brolly or O'Rourke and RTE dont seem to be rushing to gag their footbal pundits.  No smoke without fire! Live with the consequences of your puke negative and cynical handball.  Totally taken the foot out of football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on August 27, 2015, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 27, 2015, 02:29:39 PM
The inate persecution complex in Tyrone is alive and kicking I see.  Sure its no more than that you deserve. Well, being the mist disliked county in the country brings about such plaudits.  As I said previously, no great love for Brolly or O'Rourke and RTE dont seem to be rushing to gag their footbal pundits.  No smoke without fire! Live with the consequences of your puke negative and cynical handball.  Totally taken the foot out of football.
Really, how did Peter Harte(Hart) take his penalty?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on August 27, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
All this talk of Tyrone destroying the game... the past 10 years have provided the best tactical displays in years as opposed to hail Mary kick and hope.. open your mind and actually see the organisation and intelligence on display rather than hoping to see your favourite player score nice points like a child.. otherwise go play headers and volleys out in the back garden and see how many kick ups ye can do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 27, 2015, 05:29:14 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 25, 2015, 10:34:49 AM
Think all this talk of Kyle Coney needs knocked on the head to save wasting time - not an option; most definitely not in favour with the management with legitimate reasons and arguably no better than what the county has at its disposal already. Been given more chances than many others and didn't make it. No point tellin lies, personally feel he's a rotten apple, not one id want on my panel judging from reports anyway

Think you're being a bit harsh on Coney, going by that logic you could have possibly wrote off the likes of McNabb, McCrory, McAliskey and a few other before this year. He's had his problems with injuries but finally seems to have overcome those, we now seem to have a defined system and structure in place which I don't really think was the case in previous years. I also think that Coney was used as a target man in the full foward line and I don't think he is suited in there, far too easily bottled up and not the best and clocking a ball and being able to twist and turn in one movement.

I think if he does have a future at county level then it will probably be out the field and most likely in midfield, he's a big guy and a very good fielder and is probably the best long range point take from play in the county. I hope he watched us closely this year and see what this team can do and I hope he now realises the attitude and sacrifices it takes and reward it can bring. Maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic here but I believe Coney is too good not become a big asset for this Tyrone side if he knuckles down and gives it his all.

Another player who has been very unlucky this year is Niall McKenna, had stormer in the McKenna Cup final and then rather harshly paid the price for the Monaghan collapse in the league and didn't get much of a look in after and picked up a few injuries. It must be a bit disheartening for him this year to see so little action but hopefully he'll give it another bash and see if he can force his way into the reckoning.

Do we reckon the guys who defected/cut off the squad this year will get another chance? I don't think they're good enough if being honest apart from maybe Lavery or Quinn. Will Mickey give them another chance or have they pissed him off?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2015, 11:36:33 AM
Bit worrying that the county board haven't been in touch with Harte about next year. I'd be worried that a few high profile people in there might be out to make a point over the media ban situation and the fact he wouldn't listen to them.

To me the most important thing is having the best manager in the county managing the county team and he currently is that by a distance. The team made great progress this year and next year could be even bigger. Harte is already starting to plan for next year and I just hope a bit of sense is shown and this is sorted out very quickly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on August 28, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2015, 11:36:33 AM
Bit worrying that the county board haven't been in touch with Harte about next year. I'd be worried that a few high profile people in there might be out to make a point over the media ban situation and the fact he wouldn't listen to them.

To me the most important thing is having the best manager in the county managing the county team and he currently is that by a distance. The team made great progress this year and next year could be even bigger. Harte is already starting to plan for next year and I just hope a bit of sense is shown and this is sorted out very quickly.
How do you know the county board haven't contacted Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on August 28, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Word has it Mickey will only get his contract extended if he ends the RTE boycott because sponsors not happy and reportedly McAleer and Rushe will drop the sponsorship if the boycott doesnt end. Personally i think the RTE thing has gone on to long now and overshadowing the progress Tyrone are making.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2015, 03:11:06 PM
I've always thought the impact on the sponsors is limited enough whether he talks to rte or not. They've been giving Tyrone a hard time from 2003 long before any boycott.  How much power should the sponsor have when it comes to these things? Like if people accepted Harte was the best for the job would they rather someone inferior got it if it kept a sponsor happy? It's a difficult issue and one the chairperson has seemed up for a battle on since taking over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 28, 2015, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on August 28, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Word has it Mickey will only get his contract extended if he ends the RTE boycott because sponsors not happy and reportedly McAleer and Rushe will drop the sponsorship if the boycott doesnt end. Personally i think the RTE thing has gone on to long now and overshadowing the progress Tyrone are making.

At the start of the year I was in favour of ending the boycott but after RTE's and The Sunday Game's persecution of Tyrone this year I don't think we should talk to them again. The sponsors are getting good coverage on Sky and on RTE. What are they missing out on? - One interview after the game? It's hardly a deal breaker.

And do be fair it's hardly making any difference to McAleer and Rushe. Nobody watching The Sunday Game is going to see McAleer and Rushe in an interview and then suddenly hire them to build a 30 storey building are they?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfun on August 28, 2015, 04:45:08 PM
Who appoints the County manager? Is it the County board or the club delegates

I vaguely remember Mickey's position being ratified for his second term via club delegates of which I was one.

Or is it 'Here's your choice. Take it or tough?"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 28, 2015, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: winghalfun on August 28, 2015, 04:45:08 PM
Who appoints the County manager? Is it the County board or the club delegates

I vaguely remember Mickey's position being ratified for his second term via club delegates of which I was one.

Or is it 'Here's your choice. Take it or tough?"

All County Managers have to be ratified by Club's at County Convention. However I think Club's are presented with a shortlist of applicants to choose from.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 28, 2015, 09:07:01 PM
Talk of the sponsors playing any part in Mickey's reappointment is nonsense. I'm sure any sponsor will appreciate the exposure of being in the latter stages of the championship more than the odd interview with RTE and it's fairly clear Mickey is building a team to take us back there. Anyway, if the sponsors are having a say in actual football matters then something is seriously wrong though I don't believe they are.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on August 28, 2015, 10:00:13 PM
couldnt disagree with your analysis regarding sponsorship not being a major factor bennyharp in the reappointment just like tactical naievety it wont play a role in the reappointment either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on August 28, 2015, 11:01:45 PM
Rte isn't an important issue for anyone who cares about Tyrone football after watching the silly clueless  fcukers on it this year surely.  There's enough Xcounty tyrone players to do interviews and give them a proper perspective. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 29, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 28, 2015, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on August 28, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Word has it Mickey will only get his contract extended if he ends the RTE boycott because sponsors not happy and reportedly McAleer and Rushe will drop the sponsorship if the boycott doesnt end. Personally i think the RTE thing has gone on to long now and overshadowing the progress Tyrone are making.

At the start of the year I was in favour of ending the boycott but after RTE's and The Sunday Game's persecution of Tyrone this year I don't think we should talk to them again. The sponsors are getting good coverage on Sky and on RTE. What are they missing out on? - One interview after the game? It's hardly a deal breaker.

And do be fair it's hardly making any difference to McAleer and Rushe. Nobody watching The Sunday Game is going to see McAleer and Rushe in an interview and then suddenly hire them to build a 30 storey building are they?
Harte thinks he is bigger than the game! Persona non grata emanating if you ask me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 29, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 27, 2015, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 27, 2015, 02:29:39 PM
The inate persecution complex in Tyrone is alive and kicking I see.  Sure its no more than that you deserve. Well, being the mist disliked county in the country brings about such plaudits.  As I said previously, no great love for Brolly or O'Rourke and RTE dont seem to be rushing to gag their footbal pundits.  No smoke without fire! Live with the consequences of your puke negative and cynical handball.  Totally taken the foot out of football.
Really, how did Peter Harte(Hart) take his penalty?
so one kick makes football?  Should be ashamed, Tyrone have been key instigators of killing football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on August 29, 2015, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 29, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 28, 2015, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on August 28, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Word has it Mickey will only get his contract extended if he ends the RTE boycott because sponsors not happy and reportedly McAleer and Rushe will drop the sponsorship if the boycott doesnt end. Personally i think the RTE thing has gone on to long now and overshadowing the progress Tyrone are making.

At the start of the year I was in favour of ending the boycott but after RTE's and The Sunday Game's persecution of Tyrone this year I don't think we should talk to them again. The sponsors are getting good coverage on Sky and on RTE. What are they missing out on? - One interview after the game? It's hardly a deal breaker.

And do be fair it's hardly making any difference to McAleer and Rushe. Nobody watching The Sunday Game is going to see McAleer and Rushe in an interview and then suddenly hire them to build a 30 storey building are they?
Why not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 30, 2015, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2015, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 29, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 28, 2015, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on August 28, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
Word has it Mickey will only get his contract extended if he ends the RTE boycott because sponsors not happy and reportedly McAleer and Rushe will drop the sponsorship if the boycott doesnt end. Personally i think the RTE thing has gone on to long now and overshadowing the progress Tyrone are making.

At the start of the year I was in favour of ending the boycott but after RTE's and The Sunday Game's persecution of Tyrone this year I don't think we should talk to them again. The sponsors are getting good coverage on Sky and on RTE. What are they missing out on? - One interview after the game? It's hardly a deal breaker.

And do be fair it's hardly making any difference to McAleer and Rushe. Nobody watching The Sunday Game is going to see McAleer and Rushe in an interview and then suddenly hire them to build a 30 storey building are they?
Why not?
sure Harte and Tyrone team can build the foundations at the back, and asugn McAleer & Rushe to attempt to come up with something positive and concrete up the front!  Cavanagh is due for listed building status.  The only semblance of a good "footballer" ye have. I emphasise 'Footballer'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on August 31, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
there's been more talk about McAleer and Rushe from these "Lack of interviews" than post match interviews would ever have got them.. am sure they're happy enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 31, 2015, 01:28:58 PM
See what 10 mins of poitive football can do for "Football"! Pleasure, enjoyment, excitement for the hard paying and long suffering fans. Fair play to Mayo, would restore some faith in Gaeluc Fooball which has been so savagely destroyed by Tyrone.  You Tyrone boi's could learn a thing or too about positive attacking Football by Mayo.  Shaft Tyrone, Harte, O'Rourke and Brolly and positivity will evolve once more!  McAleer & Rushe would just love to be sponsoring Mayo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on August 31, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 31, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
there's been more talk about McAleer and Rushe from these "Lack of interviews" than post match interviews would ever have got them.. am sure they're happy enough
They aren't

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 31, 2015, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 31, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 31, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
there's been more talk about McAleer and Rushe from these "Lack of interviews" than post match interviews would ever have got them.. am sure they're happy enough
They aren't
sure maybe Pampers and Kleenex will sponsor Tire own next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 31, 2015, 04:47:29 PM
Couple of quick observations late in the day from last week.

> McNulty should've been in after 20 mins. His height would've gave Kerry something else to think about from kick outs and forced them to back off a wee bit from Morgan's short kick out.

> If Conor Clarke had of being allowed by Harte to have played more with his club over the last few months he may not have been as rusty when he came in at the end of the game, and thus cost us 1-2 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 31, 2015, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 31, 2015, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 31, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 31, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
there's been more talk about McAleer and Rushe from these "Lack of interviews" than post match interviews would ever have got them.. am sure they're happy enough
They aren't
sure maybe Pampers and Kleenex will sponsor Tire own next year?

I'm sick of listening to your drone on, you little b**ch. Perhaps you should concentrate on your own failure of a County team rather than Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: getevennotcross on August 31, 2015, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 31, 2015, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: getevennotcross on August 31, 2015, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 31, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 31, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
there's been more talk about McAleer and Rushe from these "Lack of interviews" than post match interviews would ever have got them.. am sure they're happy enough
They aren't
sure maybe Pampers and Kleenex will sponsor Tire own next year?

I'm sick of listening to your drone on, you little b**ch. Perhaps you should concentrate on your own failure of a County team rather than Tyrone?
Ooooohhhh! Tectchy or what. Sure we are puke but rudderless and honest at least. We didnae murder or destroy football however.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 31, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 31, 2015, 04:47:29 PM
Couple of quick observations late in the day from last week.

> McNulty should've been in after 20 mins. His height would've gave Kerry something else to think about from kick outs and forced them to back off a wee bit from Morgan's short kick out.

> If Conor Clarke had of being allowed by Harte to have played more with his club over the last few months he may not have been as rusty when he came in at the end of the game, and thus cost us 1-2 points.

I'd be very worried about Clarke going forward, to be honest there were a lot of signs of his regression last year in the League before his injury. He seems to have bulked up too much and is now completely immobile.

He looked an outstanding footballer when he burst onto the senior scene in 2012 and 2013. Hopefully his action with the club can help him find it again but I have grave doubts about him and I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 01, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
any white smoke up garvaghey way yet. or are they still saying prayers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on September 01, 2015, 11:27:37 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/34124081?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 02, 2015, 12:25:24 PM
Is this the end game for Mickey, a figure that has courted controversy from Glencull/Ballygawley episode, to how he got the Tyrone job after Mc Rory/Mc Kenna were appointed/sacked, to not speaking to RTE and how its impacts on sponsors rights and allowed Tyrone to be verbally hung drawn and quartered on the Sunday game and as a result how we are now viewed due to that unchallenged position. Maybe this is how it should end, in controversy. Personally it would be shocking if he wasn't reappointed after Tyrones championship season, definitely no one better in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 02, 2015, 12:44:39 PM
He'll be reappointed.

The County board just following due process.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on September 02, 2015, 01:02:35 PM
I don't know about following due process but there were a number of issues earlier in the year that need ironed out. It's better that those issues are dealt with now between the board and the management teams so the same issues don't crop up again. The buck stops with the county board, not the county manager.

I think Mickey Harte will be the Tyrone manager next year, but were he to leave the sky wouldn't fall in. It didn't fall in on Dublin when Pat Gilroy left and it didn't fall in on Kerry when Jack O'Connor left.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on September 02, 2015, 01:34:58 PM
harte will be roaded shortly. Raisin jordan has him by the balls.  shes keeping the money men will be happy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on September 02, 2015, 02:24:29 PM
"money men" happy? Seamus mcaleer and eamonn laverty not one bit annoyed about Tyrone not speaking to rte. That was the previous sponsors. 100per cent sure on that. Mickey's job is definitely on the line but he has enough support to pull through for another term it seems.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on September 02, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
I think it is completely ridiculous that Mickey Harte & Co hasn't been ratified by Tyrone County Board.  Mickey has started a process of building a new team and it would be my thinking that he should be granted a further 2 years at the helm.  Madness it is.  McAleer and Rushe I would assume don't win multi million pound projects because they sponsor Tyrone GAA Team.  Their winning of Projects are based on their Price Scoring , their Quality Scoring and finally their past Experience Scoring.  Sponsoring a Tyrone senior team or Mickey Harte not speaking to RTE would have zero influence on winning projects nationally or internationally.  I hope Tyrone CB do the correct thing and appoint Mickey Harte and don't follow the mistakes of other counties. Football is at the heart of matters, not RTE and not sponsors.  The last thing we need is a media frenzy of how we conduct our internal affairs. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 02, 2015, 03:08:10 PM
Could do with losing Gavin Devlin a loose cannon
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on September 02, 2015, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2015, 03:08:10 PM
Could do with losing Gavin Devlin a loose cannon
+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on September 02, 2015, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: Sunny Day on September 02, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
I think it is completely ridiculous that Mickey Harte & Co hasn't been ratified by Tyrone County Board.  Mickey has started a process of building a new team and it would be my thinking that he should be granted a further 2 years at the helm.  Madness it is.  McAleer and Rushe I would assume don't win multi million pound projects because they sponsor Tyrone GAA Team.  Their winning of Projects are based on their Price Scoring , their Quality Scoring and finally their past Experience Scoring.  Sponsoring a Tyrone senior team or Mickey Harte not speaking to RTE would have zero influence on winning projects nationally or internationally.  I hope Tyrone CB do the correct thing and appoint Mickey Harte and don't follow the mistakes of other counties. Football is at the heart of matters, not RTE and not sponsors.  The last thing we need is a media frenzy of how we conduct our internal affairs.

+1

Totally agree. And as you say, this team has been put together by Micky, a totally new group and he should be given the time to finish out what he started, no better man for it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on September 02, 2015, 03:29:33 PM
Funny enough I have never heard a negative comment regarding Gavin Devlin either directly or indirectly from any present squad member.  I would assume he has his attributes and brings a bit of 'edge' to the back room team. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on September 02, 2015, 03:36:06 PM
The lady at the head had a successor annointed months ago. She will end up with egg on her face though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 02, 2015, 03:40:32 PM
aye they didn't see this run to semi final coming...  :-[   difficult to cut Harte loose now...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 02, 2015, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: Sunny Day on September 02, 2015, 03:29:33 PM
Funny enough I have never heard a negative comment regarding Gavin Devlin either directly or indirectly from any present squad member.  I would assume he has his attributes and brings a bit of 'edge' to the back room team.
Im sure you do alright gavin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on September 02, 2015, 04:08:14 PM
Time to get rid of the idiots in key positions on the county board, they have made a mess of pretty much everything in recent times, everything from fixtures to the reappointment of successful winning All Ireland managers. Harte / Logan / Canavan /Dooher deserve to be treated with a bit more respect.
The County is being run by a shower of idiots - what ever meetings needed should have took place last week and the deals rubber stamped last night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 02, 2015, 10:46:59 PM
I had always said we should hold on to Mickey until we had a better option, someone who had brought a successful team through U21. We have that now. I have always felt that Danny Ball was given his chance too late. If he had got bringing his double winning team through in 94/95 before they were smashed on the rocks in 95/96 we could have had our first all Ireland a lot quicker. This thinking has always coloured my view.
If we went out in the q finals the call was an easy one.
If we won it (or even reached the final) it was an easy decision.
The silk purse out of a sows ear Mickey has made out of this years panel has left me in 2 minds.
In an ideal world Mickey would win an all Ireland next year and bow out to be replaced by Fergal coming in on the back of a 2nd u21 title.
But this is real life. Can Mickey integrate more u21s or would Fergal be more likely to bring them through?
How much loyalty do the squad have to Mickey? Would we lose players if he went?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on September 02, 2015, 11:01:22 PM
Nonsense - if Harte gets another three years he will win another All Ireland title. If the County board manage to get rid of him, they will set Tyrone football back twenty years. Logan / Canavan etc won't take the senior job out of respect to him. - there will be turmoil for years unless this is sorted out, with Harte back in the job for two/ three years.

Quote from: LeoMc on September 02, 2015, 10:46:59 PM
I had always said we should hold on to Mickey until we had a better option, someone who had brought a successful team through U21. We have that now. I have always felt that Danny Ball was given his chance too late. If he had got bringing his double winning team through in 94/95 before they were smashed on the rocks in 95/96 we could have had our first all Ireland a lot quicker. This thinking has always coloured my view.
If we went out in the q finals the call was an easy one.
If we won it (or even reached the final) it was an easy decision.
The silk purse out of a sows ear Mickey has made out of this years panel has left me in 2 minds.
In an ideal world Mickey would win an all Ireland next year and bow out to be replaced by Fergal coming in on the back of a 2nd u21 title.
But this is real life. Can Mickey integrate more u21s or would Fergal be more likely to bring them through?
How much loyalty do the squad have to Mickey? Would we lose players if he went?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 03, 2015, 09:36:32 AM
Looks like McNamee is away next year, that's a huge loss for us. Not only do I think everyone he's our best defender right now but he's one of the best in the whole country. Hopefully Clarke can get back to his 2012/13 levels next year or well have a huge void to fill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 03, 2015, 10:04:25 AM
McNamee has grown into a fine player for Tyrone over the past couple of years and will be a huge loss. Padraig Hampsey is a ready made replacement for McNamee but we all know that won't happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on September 03, 2015, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 02, 2015, 11:01:22 PM
Nonsense - if Harte gets another three years he will win another All Ireland title. If the County board manage to get rid of him, they will set Tyrone football back twenty years. Logan / Canavan etc won't take the senior job out of respect to him. - there will be turmoil for years unless this is sorted out, with Harte back in the job for two/ three years.

Quote from: LeoMc on September 02, 2015, 10:46:59 PM
I had always said we should hold on to Mickey until we had a better option, someone who had brought a successful team through U21. We have that now. I have always felt that Danny Ball was given his chance too late. If he had got bringing his double winning team through in 94/95 before they were smashed on the rocks in 95/96 we could have had our first all Ireland a lot quicker. This thinking has always coloured my view.
If we went out in the q finals the call was an easy one.
If we won it (or even reached the final) it was an easy decision.
The silk purse out of a sows ear Mickey has made out of this years panel has left me in 2 minds.
In an ideal world Mickey would win an all Ireland next year and bow out to be replaced by Fergal coming in on the back of a 2nd u21 title.
But this is real life. Can Mickey integrate more u21s or would Fergal be more likely to bring them through?
How much loyalty do the squad have to Mickey? Would we lose players if he went?

I'm not a betting man but if I was I wouldn't be putting any money on Harte winning an All Ireland in the next 3 years.  He coached the team to play in one style only and there are players out there who could be important over the next few years that won't be on the team for reasons that have nothing to do with their footballing ability if Harte continues at the helm. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on September 03, 2015, 10:52:32 AM
That would be my biggest fear, if Harte stays on. Certain players not getting picked for the panel for non footballing reasons. The man is soo stubborn.
We need an upgrade on mcrory on the backline, and if Mcnamee is going travelling then the defence is set for big.chances. If harte doesn't select hampsey in January then the support is fragmented yet again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 03, 2015, 10:55:40 AM
Does anyone have an idea on how many of last years u21s are still available in 2016?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on September 03, 2015, 11:17:30 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 03, 2015, 10:55:40 AM
Does anyone have an idea on how many of last years u21s are still available in 2016?

Sean Fox, Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, Mark Kavanagh, Lee Brennan, Ruairi McGlone, Colm Bryne.
Might be one or two  more panel members i wouldnt just be 100 percent sure off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on September 05, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Mickey Harte having to interview to get the chance to be selected as Senior manager? Is this real life or a bad dream. This is amateur hour stuff from Roisin Jordan. The senior team have already met to discuss taking things on another level next year and players such as Mattie Donnelly have recently tweeted his love of playing for Tyrone and Mickey Harte. Clearly the panel are fully behind Harte and there's a strong unity amongst the panel that finished last year. Does it take a rocket scientist to award Mickey another year with the rolling option of two more subject to performance? This is why you need proper football thinkers at head of our county if we want to be the elite county in Ireland. Roisin Jordan has made a meal out of this. Even if the interview turns out a formality. What is the logic? To show everyone that the county board have the power and not Mickey? A complete shambles. If I was him I'd tell them to go fcuk themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on September 05, 2015, 05:00:23 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on September 02, 2015, 03:36:06 PM
The lady at the head had a successor annointed months ago. She will end up with egg on her face though.

Well don't leave us all hanging Moortown......???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 05, 2015, 09:16:38 PM
roisin jordan 1st question right mickey what have you done for tyrone football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on September 05, 2015, 09:53:49 PM
Yeah but at end of day mickey does 'nt have the power. Like all county managers they should be under the rule of the board. You can't dictate everything. Going to be reappointed but good chance to rein him in a bit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on September 06, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
Think this could be Jordan bearing her teeth after an incident earlier on the year where she went into the changing to ask for a representative to speak to the media, and harte spilled his guts out at her in front of everyone that was there, so harte obviously knew this was coming down the line with a meeting with the players so soon after the semi-final. But he will be ratified (after another row) as there is no alternative that comes near his tactical reading of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 08, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
Very bad injury for McNabb. He's had a superb year and no coincidence he has really began to fulfil his potential when he finally got over the injury problems he had been blighted by previously.

Hopefully he makes a full recovery.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 08, 2015, 01:33:25 PM
massive blow dromores most influential player imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on September 08, 2015, 03:31:00 PM
Shocking, best manager ever and we are lucky to have him. Joke how this has all panned out. If the county board took their nose out and let him get on with building another All Ireland Team and focused instead on sorting their own club calendar fixtures out they'd be better off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 08, 2015, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on September 08, 2015, 03:31:00 PM
Shocking, best manager ever and we are lucky to have him. Joke how this has all panned out. If the county board took their nose out and let him get on with building another All Ireland Team and focused instead on sorting their own club calendar fixtures out they'd be better off.

That's my bother with Mickey. HE controls the Club calendar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 08, 2015, 06:21:11 PM
North Tyrone I'm not sure what you expect from mickey. With the exception of mcshane every player will play in two thirds of league games. He also wasn't able to stop an early championship. Compared to other top counties Tyrone players play more league games.

In Armagh the players don't play much for clubs when Armagh still in. The players missed the first league game for an Armagh friendly. If you think county players will be involved more under a new manager i think your very wrong. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 09, 2015, 08:30:31 AM
Its not an interview, its a talk to try make sure someone speaks to the media. No matter what people say its costs a fortune to run a competitive County team and the sponsors aren't lining up anymore. It needs addressed for the good of the county.

Petety harte will win an allstar, let him talk to rte then appoint him as spokesperson next year, he will say nothing controversial or let anything away, sponsors happy end off!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on September 09, 2015, 08:50:45 AM
From what i hear the problem wasnt just the lack of RTE interviews, it was when MH did sky interviews he didnt wear gear mentioning the current sponsers, in fact he wore gear promoting a well known hotel in Dublin. When told this wasnt to happen again he agreed, then did the same the following week. If this is true then i fully agree with what is happening, he needs to tow the line, i actually admire Jordan for digging her heels in here. MH would be the 1st to give off if there was no money for overnight stays before games nor for feeding after games and training, does he think this money just appears, also if he had no brown envelope at the end of the year im sure he wouldnt be best pleased.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 09, 2015, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on September 09, 2015, 08:50:45 AM
From what i hear the problem wasnt just the lack of RTE interviews, it was when MH did sky interviews he didnt wear gear mentioning the current sponsers, in fact he wore gear promoting a well known hotel in Dublin. When told this wasnt to happen again he agreed, then did the same the following week. If this is true then i fully agree with what is happening, he needs to tow the line, i actually admire Jordan for digging her heels in here. MH would be the 1st to give off if there was no money for overnight stays before games nor for feeding after games and training, does he think this money just appears, also if he had no brown envelope at the end of the year im sure he wouldnt be best pleased.

While I also heard there were issues with the sponsors in regards what Mickey Harte wore on Sky Sports interviews, it's incorrect to say he didn't wear the McAleer & Rushe gear at all on Sky.

I'm not sure exactly how many Tyrone games were on Sky, but after the Monaghan game, he wore the McAleer & Rushe top:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9942396/tyrone-triumph-over-monaghan (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9942396/tyrone-triumph-over-monaghan)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL8wCCxUkAA5biw.jpg)

But did not wear it after the Kerry game:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9963180/harte-we-gave-it-our-all (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9963180/harte-we-gave-it-our-all)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNG3ctsWsAAs_BF.jpg)

Going by the interview footage after the Kerry game, I don't see any logo/name for the hotel you mention, nor can I see such a photo/video anywhere showing him wearing anything with a hotel brand on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 09, 2015, 10:01:37 AM
The RTE ban has misfired badly. The idea that players are so on board is seriously undermined by players who finish their careers and go straight onto RTE programs. That would suggest the players don't feel strongly  about not speaking to RTE.  It  would also indicate they don't really have a choice in the matter. It deprives them an opportunity for promotion, sponsors and even career offers. Meanwhile Mickey promotes SKY and it is obvious where that is going... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on September 09, 2015, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 09, 2015, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on September 09, 2015, 08:50:45 AM
From what i hear the problem wasnt just the lack of RTE interviews, it was when MH did sky interviews he didnt wear gear mentioning the current sponsers, in fact he wore gear promoting a well known hotel in Dublin. When told this wasnt to happen again he agreed, then did the same the following week. If this is true then i fully agree with what is happening, he needs to tow the line, i actually admire Jordan for digging her heels in here. MH would be the 1st to give off if there was no money for overnight stays before games nor for feeding after games and training, does he think this money just appears, also if he had no brown envelope at the end of the year im sure he wouldnt be best pleased.

While I also heard there were issues with the sponsors in regards what Mickey Harte wore on Sky Sports interviews, it's incorrect to say he didn't wear the McAleer & Rushe gear at all on Sky.

I'm not sure exactly how many Tyrone games were on Sky, but after the Monaghan game, he wore the McAleer & Rushe top:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9942396/tyrone-triumph-over-monaghan (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9942396/tyrone-triumph-over-monaghan)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL8wCCxUkAA5biw.jpg)

But did not wear it after the Kerry game:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9963180/harte-we-gave-it-our-all (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9963180/harte-we-gave-it-our-all)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNG3ctsWsAAs_BF.jpg)

Going by the interview footage after the Kerry game, I don't see any logo/name for the hotel you mention, nor can I see such a photo/video anywhere showing him wearing anything with a hotel brand on it.

In fairness to UTM, I have heard these stories also and have also seen footage/photos of MH wearing a Carton House hat before now (admittedly his brother-in-law owns the hotel) but the real issue is not promoting McAleer and Rushe - nowhere in these 2 photos above can the logo be identified clearly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 09, 2015, 03:06:04 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 09, 2015, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 09, 2015, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on September 09, 2015, 08:50:45 AM
From what i hear the problem wasnt just the lack of RTE interviews, it was when MH did sky interviews he didnt wear gear mentioning the current sponsers, in fact he wore gear promoting a well known hotel in Dublin. When told this wasnt to happen again he agreed, then did the same the following week. If this is true then i fully agree with what is happening, he needs to tow the line, i actually admire Jordan for digging her heels in here. MH would be the 1st to give off if there was no money for overnight stays before games nor for feeding after games and training, does he think this money just appears, also if he had no brown envelope at the end of the year im sure he wouldnt be best pleased.

While I also heard there were issues with the sponsors in regards what Mickey Harte wore on Sky Sports interviews, it's incorrect to say he didn't wear the McAleer & Rushe gear at all on Sky.

I'm not sure exactly how many Tyrone games were on Sky, but after the Monaghan game, he wore the McAleer & Rushe top:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9942396/tyrone-triumph-over-monaghan (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9942396/tyrone-triumph-over-monaghan)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL8wCCxUkAA5biw.jpg)

But did not wear it after the Kerry game:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9963180/harte-we-gave-it-our-all (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9963180/harte-we-gave-it-our-all)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNG3ctsWsAAs_BF.jpg)

Going by the interview footage after the Kerry game, I don't see any logo/name for the hotel you mention, nor can I see such a photo/video anywhere showing him wearing anything with a hotel brand on it.

In fairness to UTM, I have heard these stories also and have also seen footage/photos of MH wearing a Carton House hat before now (admittedly his brother-in-law owns the hotel) but the real issue is not promoting McAleer and Rushe - nowhere in these 2 photos above can the logo be identified clearly

I really don't see the sponsors being that dictatorial on having their logo I post match interviews when a lot of people have turned off their tvs. Tyrone made an All Ireland semi this year above most people's expectations. McAleer and Rushe should be thrilled with that. 4 live Championship games with their brand being exposed.

I think it's a load of rubbish being spouted and I don't believe for one minute the sponsors are applying any sort of pressure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on September 09, 2015, 03:51:08 PM
plenty of options to replace harte who said it had to be an inside man. what about malachy o rourke ryan porter dominic corrigan brian mc ivor paul mc ivor damien cassidy to name a few.
I am hearing a few eastern mens names mentioned for the minor job. O hagan mc cabe and lawn all being talked about
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 09, 2015, 04:08:55 PM
Tyrone wont take an outside man. That's the policy. Would like to see Peter Canavan with Paddy Tally..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on September 09, 2015, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on September 09, 2015, 03:51:08 PM
plenty of options to replace harte who said it had to be an inside man. what about malachy o rourke ryan porter dominic corrigan brian mc ivor paul mc ivor damien cassidy to name a few.
I am hearing a few eastern mens names mentioned for the minor job. O hagan mc cabe and lawn all being talked about

Ryan Porter????? Hardly covered himself in glory at Croke Park this year!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 09, 2015, 05:07:14 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on September 09, 2015, 03:51:08 PM
plenty of options to replace harte who said it had to be an inside man. what about malachy o rourke ryan porter dominic corrigan brian mc ivor paul mc ivor damien cassidy to name a few.
I am hearing a few eastern mens names mentioned for the minor job. O hagan mc cabe and lawn all being talked about
Couldn't see Paul  mcIvor or Cassidy been let take one of dev squads never mind senior team. Dom Corrigan no chance. Really only orouke could take it on.
As for the minors o hagan and lawn would certainly be well fit for it. Is that Kevin McCabe ure on about? What is is credentials?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 10, 2015, 12:02:35 AM
Did Alex Fergus on wear aig gear
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2015, 06:14:19 AM
Good news!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-confirms-he-will-play-for-tyrone-next-year-1.2346028
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on September 11, 2015, 07:10:05 AM
Quote from: Tommo2 on September 09, 2015, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on September 09, 2015, 03:51:08 PM
plenty of options to replace harte who said it had to be an inside man. what about malachy o rourke ryan porter dominic corrigan brian mc ivor paul mc ivor damien cassidy to name a few.
I am hearing a few eastern mens names mentioned for the minor job. O hagan mc cabe and lawn all being talked about

Ryan Porter????? Hardly covered himself in glory at Croke Park this year!!

Quite.

He may be tight with the Dromore fellas, and maybe the Omagh ones too, but I suspect his willingness to take up the role of hatchet man cheerleader with Monaghan would be a bitter pill to swallow for many a Tyrone player... and supporter too!
Malachy on the other hand has been the epitome of a gentleman on the sideline and I would gladly seem him take the promotion from his current position to managing the minors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 08:23:33 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 11, 2015, 07:10:05 AM
Quote from: Tommo2 on September 09, 2015, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on September 09, 2015, 03:51:08 PM
plenty of options to replace harte who said it had to be an inside man. what about malachy o rourke ryan porter dominic corrigan brian mc ivor paul mc ivor damien cassidy to name a few.
I am hearing a few eastern mens names mentioned for the minor job. O hagan mc cabe and lawn all being talked about

Ryan Porter????? Hardly covered himself in glory at Croke Park this year!!

Quite.

He may be tight with the Dromore fellas, and maybe the Omagh ones too, but I suspect his willingness to take up the role of hatchet man cheerleader with Monaghan would be a bitter pill to swallow for many a Tyrone player... and supporter too!
Malachy on the other hand has been the epitome of a gentleman on the sideline and I would gladly seem him take the promotion from his current position to managing the minors.

lol, nice dig
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 15, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
Heard on the news this morning that Harte will be re instated for 2 more years tonight? Is this certain?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 15, 2015, 08:58:35 PM
Harte and Logan both reappointed this evening.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 15, 2015, 09:00:04 PM
Great news
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on September 17, 2015, 02:50:22 PM
Provisional AFL Division 2 Fixtures 2016
N.B. all fixtures subject to change
Sunday 31st January – Tyrone v Cavan (Healy Park)
Sunday 7th February – Galway v Tyrone (TBC)
Sunday 28th February – Laois v Tyrone (Portlaois)
Saturday 5th March – Tyrone v Derry (Healy Park)
Sunday 13th March – Meath v Tyrone  (Navan)
Saturday 26th March – Tyrone v Armagh (Healy Park)
Saturday 2nd April v Fermanagh (Brewster Park)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on September 20, 2015, 08:05:05 PM
Kerry outclassed today. Kinda puts a wee bit of perspective on tyrones season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: SuperHo on September 20, 2015, 08:05:05 PM
Kerry outclassed today. Kinda puts a wee bit of perspective on tyrones season

I don't think it does really.

Kerry just happened to be very bad today, their shooting was poor, they looked leggy and ponderous. We'd have beaten them on that performance today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on September 21, 2015, 01:10:53 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: SuperHo on September 20, 2015, 08:05:05 PM
Kerry outclassed today. Kinda puts a wee bit of perspective on tyrones season

I don't think it does really.

Kerry just happened to be very bad today, their shooting was poor, they looked leggy and ponderous. We'd have beaten them on that performance today.
Do you really think so?
We haven't beaten a good team in ages yet you say we would have beaten Kerry today, four weeks after they beat us by 4 points. Probably closer to the truth is that Dublin didn't allow Kerry to play at all today. Their shooting was poor because they were forced to do everything under pressure. Dublins movement in their forward line asked a lot more questions than anything Tyrone could muster
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on September 21, 2015, 01:10:53 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2015, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: SuperHo on September 20, 2015, 08:05:05 PM
Kerry outclassed today. Kinda puts a wee bit of perspective on tyrones season

I don't think it does really.

Kerry just happened to be very bad today, their shooting was poor, they looked leggy and ponderous. We'd have beaten them on that performance today.
Do you really think so?
We haven't beaten a good team in ages yet you say we would have beaten Kerry today, four weeks after they beat us by 4 points. Probably closer to the truth is that Dublin didn't allow Kerry to play at all today. Their shooting was poor because they were forced to do everything under pressure. Dublins movement in their forward line asked a lot more questions than anything Tyrone could muster

If we took our chances against Kerry the first day round we would have won. And yesterday Kerry were awful and much worse than against Tyrone in the semi-final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on September 21, 2015, 01:10:15 PM
tyrone played 2 teams this year that were reasonably well prepared and were beaten. both of those teams were then outclassed.  the great run through the backdoor just papered over the cracks. all down hill from here on in folks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on October 05, 2015, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: referee on September 30, 2015, 11:04:40 PM
Any word on the new minor management team

As i said a month ago alot of talk about eastern men being named im now hearing mc cabe and cush mentioned alot
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on October 05, 2015, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on October 05, 2015, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: referee on September 30, 2015, 11:04:40 PM
Any word on the new minor management team

As i said a month ago alot of talk about eastern men being named im now hearing mc cabe and cush mentioned alot
Chris Lawn's name has came up to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on October 05, 2015, 11:28:03 PM
Iggy Gallagher & Pascal Canavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on October 15, 2015, 10:03:39 PM
Great draw for Tyrone for the Championship. Avoid Donegal and Monaghan until the final!

Preliminary Round-
- Fermanagh v Antrim

Quarter Finals-
- Derry v Tyrone
- Cavan v Armagh
- Monaghan v Down
- Fermanagh/Antrim v Donegal

Semi Finals-
- Derry/Tyrone v Cavan/Armagh
- Monaghan/Down v Donegal/Fermanagh/Antrim
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on October 15, 2015, 11:40:24 PM
glenman id of thought after last sunday you shouldnt be counting your eggs that quick.now going to meet derry in celtic park is probably as hard a place to go as ballybofey. i make this game 50/50. the derry defence will not fear tyrone and their lightweight attack. they have a better midfield and if they can find the right blend up front then they will fancy their chances. only for a tiernan mccann tripple salko with an inverted half pipe in the dying seconds in the league last year derry had the game won.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on October 16, 2015, 01:14:11 AM
Derry are Tyrone's bitch. Roll over there Doire ye blade ye!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on October 17, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 15, 2015, 11:40:24 PM
glenman id of thought after last sunday you shouldnt be counting your eggs that quick.now going to meet derry in celtic park is probably as hard a place to go as ballybofey. i make this game 50/50. the derry defence will not fear tyrone and their lightweight attack. they have a better midfield and if they can find the right blend up front then they will fancy their chances. only for a tiernan mccann tripple salko with an inverted half pipe in the dying seconds in the league last year derry had the game won.

All the pressure will be on tyrone for this one after hartes controversial reappointment. Fair enough, last year was tyrones only decent run in the chapionship for 7 years but they never looked like beating any of the top teams and the also got relegated so it wasnt that great a season. The pressure therefore will be on to improve on last year and it is very questionable if tyrone have the quality to do that. I expect barton to revamp the derry panel and bring in a number of young players so not that much will be expected of them for a year or 2. Tyrone will be favourites and I expect they'll probably win but theyll need to or the fans will be on hartes back again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 17, 2015, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: lenny on October 17, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 15, 2015, 11:40:24 PM
glenman id of thought after last sunday you shouldnt be counting your eggs that quick.now going to meet derry in celtic park is probably as hard a place to go as ballybofey. i make this game 50/50. the derry defence will not fear tyrone and their lightweight attack. they have a better midfield and if they can find the right blend up front then they will fancy their chances. only for a tiernan mccann tripple salko with an inverted half pipe in the dying seconds in the league last year derry had the game won.

All the pressure will be on tyrone for this one after hartes controversial reappointment. Fair enough, last year was tyrones only decent run in the chapionship for 7 years but they never looked like beating any of the top teams and the also got relegated so it wasnt that great a season. The pressure therefore will be on to improve on last year and it is very questionable if tyrone have the quality to do that. I expect barton to revamp the derry panel and bring in a number of young players so not that much will be expected of them for a year or 2. Tyrone will be favourites and I expect they'll probably win but theyll need to or the fans will be on hartes back again.

So if getting to the semi is a decent run in 2015. What do you call getting to the semi in 2013?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on October 17, 2015, 02:06:09 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 15, 2015, 11:40:24 PM
glenman id of thought after last sunday you shouldnt be counting your eggs that quick.now going to meet derry in celtic park is probably as hard a place to go as ballybofey. i make this game 50/50. the derry defence will not fear tyrone and their lightweight attack. they have a better midfield and if they can find the right blend up front then they will fancy their chances. only for a tiernan mccann tripple salko with an inverted half pipe in the dying seconds in the league last year derry had the game won.

Better midfield?  Really?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 07, 2015, 06:51:15 PM
Well Done to the Masters. I take it they won't receive a real All Ireland medal due to the GAA not recognising the competition.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 09, 2015, 10:10:23 PM
no medals but they get a special certificate for not dying during play.
;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tv pundit on November 12, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on November 12, 2015, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on November 12, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 12, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 12, 2015, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on November 12, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 12, 2015, 11:12:30 PM
munroe more than good enough to be in the panel. on form and was carmens best player by a mile last sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 12, 2015, 11:16:08 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 12, 2015, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on November 12, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 13, 2015, 12:34:12 AM
There was a U21 who really impressed me but I can't mind their name now.

Nearly sure he was an Ardboe man. Looked an option to me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on November 13, 2015, 07:24:30 AM
Michael Cassidy was it Norf?

On Johnny getting called up he is more than good enough to be given his chance! Saying he isn't strong enough you obviously haven't watched many of the games this year? He makes at least 3-5 big hits a game for Carrickmore! He is surprisingly strong and with the Strength and conditioning from Tyrone seniors he will no doubt gain more muscle as well! Will be a huge loss for Carrickmore now through out the league if he stays on the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 13, 2015, 07:57:21 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 12, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....

Quote from: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 13, 2015, 08:41:48 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 12, 2015, 11:16:08 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 12, 2015, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on November 12, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on November 13, 2015, 09:54:42 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 13, 2015, 08:41:48 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 12, 2015, 11:16:08 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 12, 2015, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on November 12, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.

Dont think anybody is taking offence but just stating how highly rated he is within the club and that he is certainly deserving of a place in the county squad. Having watched Johnny and other established county stars down the years within our club, i think he has the potential to be as good any of the lads that have wore the county jersey from our club. This is my opinion. Can you name the 6/7 men you reckon are ahead of him as a matter of interest? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 50fiftyball on November 13, 2015, 10:32:30 AM
Unless young Mullan is developed into a good tight man marker to slot in at corner back I can't see him being worthy. Didn't particularly impress for Cookstown in any games I saw him this year, although his pace and fitness levels are scary.

He was great man marker in the U21 success, always out in front.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 13, 2015, 10:33:18 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 13, 2015, 09:54:42 AM
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Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 12, 2015, 11:16:08 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 12, 2015, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on November 12, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.

Dont think anybody is taking offence but just stating how highly rated he is within the club and that he is certainly deserving of a place in the county squad. Having watched Johnny and other established county stars down the years within our club, i think he has the potential to be as good any of the lads that have wore the county jersey from our club. This is my opinion. Can you name the 6/7 men you reckon are ahead of him as a matter of interest?

Its understandable your going to defend your club colleague but it doesn't mean that your right. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion and that's mine. I would count Michael Cassidy, Ruairi Mullan, Kieran McGeary, Dwayne Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ruairi Kelly and Niall Sludden all ahead of him for a spot in the defence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on November 13, 2015, 10:50:14 AM
IMO none of them players listed are any better than Johnny Munroe, To be honest I feel they would all be very evenly matched and maybe Niall Sludden slightly ahead of the rest of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 13, 2015, 11:04:29 AM
Sludden is a good bit ahead of Munroe. He's too good a player to just play club. Him and Hampsey I think could make a significant mark on the side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on November 13, 2015, 11:09:07 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 13, 2015, 10:33:18 AM
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Quote from: tv pundit on November 12, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 12, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.

Dont think anybody is taking offence but just stating how highly rated he is within the club and that he is certainly deserving of a place in the county squad. Having watched Johnny and other established county stars down the years within our club, i think he has the potential to be as good any of the lads that have wore the county jersey from our club. This is my opinion. Can you name the 6/7 men you reckon are ahead of him as a matter of interest?

Its understandable your going to defend your club colleague but it doesn't mean that your right. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion and that's mine. I would count Michael Cassidy, Ruairi Mullan, Kieran McGeary, Dwayne Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ruairi Kelly and Niall Sludden all ahead of him for a spot in the defence.

Can i asked on what basis are you basing your opinion on that these fellas are ahead of Johnny? I am not doubting that these lads are good footballers but after watching a lot of club football this year and seeing most of these lads play I rate johnny better than most if not all.  I know you think i am looking at this through rose tinted glasses but believe me, this is not an opinion just based on my club loyalties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 13, 2015, 11:24:25 AM
Young Munroe was excellent against us last week, worth a call up. However when he was at full back he never won a ball off Mc Nulty, he was then moved to the middle where he excelled.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 13, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 13, 2015, 11:09:07 AM
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Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.

Dont think anybody is taking offence but just stating how highly rated he is within the club and that he is certainly deserving of a place in the county squad. Having watched Johnny and other established county stars down the years within our club, i think he has the potential to be as good any of the lads that have wore the county jersey from our club. This is my opinion. Can you name the 6/7 men you reckon are ahead of him as a matter of interest?

Its understandable your going to defend your club colleague but it doesn't mean that your right. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion and that's mine. I would count Michael Cassidy, Ruairi Mullan, Kieran McGeary, Dwayne Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ruairi Kelly and Niall Sludden all ahead of him for a spot in the defence.

Can i asked on what basis are you basing your opinion on that these fellas are ahead of Johnny? I am not doubting that these lads are good footballers but after watching a lot of club football this year and seeing most of these lads play I rate johnny better than most if not all.  I know you think i am looking at this through rose tinted glasses but believe me, this is not an opinion just based on my club loyalties.

I'm not the only one that thinks these 7 lads are capable of playing county football, there's a broad consensus that they should and will be called up. Four of the lads I mentioned starred in defence on the Tyrone U21 All Ireland winning side this year. Ruairi Kelly was a used substitute on the same side and has put in some great performances for Trillick at full back on their way to an Ulster semi final. Both Quinn and Sludden have played on O'Neill cup winning sides recently and are considered by many as mainstays of their respective team. I must admit I've only seen Monroe play twice this year but on both occasions he didn't stand out as county standard. If we're going to be serious about challenging for an All Ireland I'm afraid Monroe is not the answer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 13, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 13, 2015, 10:33:18 AM
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Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 12, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.

Dont think anybody is taking offence but just stating how highly rated he is within the club and that he is certainly deserving of a place in the county squad. Having watched Johnny and other established county stars down the years within our club, i think he has the potential to be as good any of the lads that have wore the county jersey from our club. This is my opinion. Can you name the 6/7 men you reckon are ahead of him as a matter of interest?

Its understandable your going to defend your club colleague but it doesn't mean that your right. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion and that's mine. I would count Michael Cassidy, Ruairi Mullan, Kieran McGeary, Dwayne Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ruairi Kelly and Niall Sludden all ahead of him for a spot in the defence.

How much did Michael Cassidy play for Ardboe this year?
Granted he did well for the under 21s, but I believe he played very little club football all year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 13, 2015, 11:50:20 AM
What age is J Munroe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on November 13, 2015, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 13, 2015, 11:50:20 AM
What age is J Munroe?

He's 22/23
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on November 13, 2015, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 13, 2015, 11:24:25 AM
Young Munroe was excellent against us last week, worth a call up. However when he was at full back he never won a ball off Mc Nulty, he was then moved to the middle where he excelled.
You sure about that?? By my reckoning Monroe won 3 out of 5 balls that went in between them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on November 13, 2015, 12:32:09 PM
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I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.

Dont think anybody is taking offence but just stating how highly rated he is within the club and that he is certainly deserving of a place in the county squad. Having watched Johnny and other established county stars down the years within our club, i think he has the potential to be as good any of the lads that have wore the county jersey from our club. This is my opinion. Can you name the 6/7 men you reckon are ahead of him as a matter of interest?

Its understandable your going to defend your club colleague but it doesn't mean that your right. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion and that's mine. I would count Michael Cassidy, Ruairi Mullan, Kieran McGeary, Dwayne Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ruairi Kelly and Niall Sludden all ahead of him for a spot in the defence.

Can i asked on what basis are you basing your opinion on that these fellas are ahead of Johnny? I am not doubting that these lads are good footballers but after watching a lot of club football this year and seeing most of these lads play I rate johnny better than most if not all.  I know you think i am looking at this through rose tinted glasses but believe me, this is not an opinion just based on my club loyalties.

I'm not the only one that thinks these 7 lads are capable of playing county football, there's a broad consensus that they should and will be called up. Four of the lads I mentioned starred in defence on the Tyrone U21 All Ireland winning side this year. Ruairi Kelly was a used substitute on the same side and has put in some great performances for Trillick at full back on their way to an Ulster semi final. Both Quinn and Sludden have played on O'Neill cup winning sides recently and are considered by many as mainstays of their respective team. I must admit I've only seen Monroe play twice this year but on both occasions he didn't stand out as county standard. If we're going to be serious about challenging for an All Ireland I'm afraid Monroe is not the answer.

And i am not the only one who things Johnny deserves his chance and these people are basing their opinion on more watching him in more than 2 games!!   I am not saying that johnny is ready to come in and get a starting slot straight away.  His potential is huge and with a bit more experience and strength and conditional coaching he could be an automatic starter in a few years.  He is also a main stay on the carrickmore team.  (At least he ticks one box of your selection criteria)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2015, 07:57:21 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 12, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....

Quote from: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Good to see Hampsey called up, very impressive year for Under 21s and Coalisland. Has the potential there to dislodge Aidan McCrory from corner back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 13, 2015, 01:42:47 PM
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Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....

Quote from: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Good to see Hampsey called up, very impressive year for Under 21s and Coalisland. Has the potential there to dislodge Aidan McCrory from corner back.

What about full-back?  Is he good enough?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 02:08:08 PM
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Quote from: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2015, 07:57:21 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 12, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....

Quote from: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Good to see Hampsey called up, very impressive year for Under 21s and Coalisland. Has the potential there to dislodge Aidan McCrory from corner back.

What about full-back?  Is he good enough?
I would say McNamee has full back nailed down at this stage.
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee McCarron
Brennan Justin McMahon Harte
That would be the defence I would like to see against Derry first round of the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on November 13, 2015, 02:27:48 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 02:08:08 PM
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Quote from: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2015, 07:57:21 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 12, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....

Quote from: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Good to see Hampsey called up, very impressive year for Under 21s and Coalisland. Has the potential there to dislodge Aidan McCrory from corner back.

What about full-back?  Is he good enough?
I would say McNamee has full back nailed down at this stage.
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee McCarron
Brennan Justin McMahon Harte
That would be the defence I would like to see against Derry first round of the championship.
Ronan Mc Nabb ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on November 13, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
Will McNabb be ready in time for the Derry game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 13, 2015, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 02:08:08 PM
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Quote from: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2015, 07:57:21 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 12, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....

Quote from: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Good to see Hampsey called up, very impressive year for Under 21s and Coalisland. Has the potential there to dislodge Aidan McCrory from corner back.

What about full-back?  Is he good enough?
I would say McNamee has full back nailed down at this stage.
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee McCarron
Brennan Justin McMahon Harte
That would be the defence I would like to see against Derry first round of the championship.

That's a good shout

Colm Cav  Donnelly

Mc Cann Bradley Meyler

Brennan  Sean Cav  ?

Pace to burn!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on November 13, 2015, 02:37:09 PM
McCurry or Skeet, whoevers on form in training
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 02:38:14 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on November 13, 2015, 02:27:48 PM
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Quote from: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2015, 07:57:21 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 12, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....

Quote from: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Good to see Hampsey called up, very impressive year for Under 21s and Coalisland. Has the potential there to dislodge Aidan McCrory from corner back.

What about full-back?  Is he good enough?
I would say McNamee has full back nailed down at this stage.
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee McCarron
Brennan Justin McMahon Harte
That would be the defence I would like to see against Derry first round of the championship.
Ronan Mc Nabb ???
I assumed McNabb wouldn't be back in time for Derry. If he's available straight swap with Brennan or Justy depending on his fitness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 13, 2015, 02:42:22 PM
Lee Brennan is an exceptional talent but its hard to put him above Skeet or McCurry yet. Needs to prove his worth first. Until he does I'd have the aforementioned two ahead of him. This year also probably is a sh1t or bust year for Ronan O'Neill, needs probably the best winter of his life to get in the condition required. Would love to see him do it as hes a fella who loves the big occasion and has star quality, but in 2015 you need the physical attributes to match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 02:42:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 13, 2015, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 13, 2015, 01:42:47 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 01:41:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 13, 2015, 07:57:21 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on November 12, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Johnny Munroe probably is good enough player to make the squad but cant see an obvious role for him in the first team or off the bench, but this time last year i would have said something similiar about Rory Brennan, Conall McCann and Richie Donnelly when they were called up, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Niall Sludden is bound to get a call up and hopefully Dwayne Quinn and PJ Laverty are brought back into the fold.
Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Mullan, Paudy Hampsey and Kieran McLaughlin also deserve the call up, although unfortunately cant see Hampsey getting the opportunity in the next two years anyway....

Quote from: Gaffer on November 12, 2015, 11:50:35 PM
Hampsey called up by Harte. 
Good to see Hampsey called up, very impressive year for Under 21s and Coalisland. Has the potential there to dislodge Aidan McCrory from corner back.

What about full-back?  Is he good enough?
I would say McNamee has full back nailed down at this stage.
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee McCarron
Brennan Justin McMahon Harte
That would be the defence I would like to see against Derry first round of the championship.

That's a good shout

Colm Cav  Donnelly

Mc Cann Bradley Meyler

Brennan  Sean Cav  ?

Pace to burn!
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee McCarron
Brennan/McNabb Justy Peter Harte
Colm Cavanagh Mattie Donnelly
Tiernan McCann Mark Bradley Kieran McGeary/Meyler
Brennan Sean Cavanagh McCurry
Hardest selection for me is at wing half forward, I'd probably side with McGeary, think he's a class act all round and would contribute to the defensive side of things to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 13, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
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I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!
Cahir McCullagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 13, 2015, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 13, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
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I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!
Cahir McCullagh?
Seen him a few times this year, as good a forward as i saw all year and would be well worth his place on the senior panel, but would he commit is the question?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 13, 2015, 03:32:57 PM
Quote from: TF15 on November 13, 2015, 02:42:22 PM
Lee Brennan is an exceptional talent but its hard to put him above Skeet or McCurry yet. Needs to prove his worth first. Until he does I'd have the aforementioned two ahead of him. This year also probably is a sh1t or bust year for Ronan O'Neill, needs probably the best winter of his life to get in the condition required. Would love to see him do it as hes a fella who loves the big occasion and has star quality, but in 2015 you need the physical attributes to match.

Both had had countless chances to take the bull by the horn and nail down their places. Unfortunately I don't see options to replace them both. Mc caliskey goes from the sublime to the truly awful and mc curry cracks under pressure. Brennan is ready to go now and should get a big run in the league then decide if hes ready for championship heat or not!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 13, 2015, 04:06:37 PM
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I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.

Dont think anybody is taking offence but just stating how highly rated he is within the club and that he is certainly deserving of a place in the county squad. Having watched Johnny and other established county stars down the years within our club, i think he has the potential to be as good any of the lads that have wore the county jersey from our club. This is my opinion. Can you name the 6/7 men you reckon are ahead of him as a matter of interest?

Its understandable your going to defend your club colleague but it doesn't mean that your right. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion and that's mine. I would count Michael Cassidy, Ruairi Mullan, Kieran McGeary, Dwayne Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ruairi Kelly and Niall Sludden all ahead of him for a spot in the defence.

Can i asked on what basis are you basing your opinion on that these fellas are ahead of Johnny? I am not doubting that these lads are good footballers but after watching a lot of club football this year and seeing most of these lads play I rate johnny better than most if not all.  I know you think i am looking at this through rose tinted glasses but believe me, this is not an opinion just based on my club loyalties.

I'm not the only one that thinks these 7 lads are capable of playing county football, there's a broad consensus that they should and will be called up. Four of the lads I mentioned starred in defence on the Tyrone U21 All Ireland winning side this year. Ruairi Kelly was a used substitute on the same side and has put in some great performances for Trillick at full back on their way to an Ulster semi final. Both Quinn and Sludden have played on O'Neill cup winning sides recently and are considered by many as mainstays of their respective team. I must admit I've only seen Monroe play twice this year but on both occasions he didn't stand out as county standard. If we're going to be serious about challenging for an All Ireland I'm afraid Monroe is not the answer.

And i am not the only one who things Johnny deserves his chance and these people are basing their opinion on more watching him in more than 2 games!!   I am not saying that johnny is ready to come in and get a starting slot straight away.  His potential is huge and with a bit more experience and strength and conditional coaching he could be an automatic starter in a few years.  He is also a main stay on the carrickmore team.  (At least he ticks one box of your selection criteria)

Automatic starter in a few years? A previous poster has already confirmed he's either 22 or 23 years old. So what you're saying is he'll be ready for county football by the time he hits 26/27 years of age. Can we wait that long? Surely it would make more sense to concentrate on developing the lads that are just out of U21 football with an All Ireland medal to boot. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I'm doubtful.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on November 13, 2015, 04:22:44 PM
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I heard Johnny Munroe from Carrickmore has been called up to the senior panel after the league final on Sunday.
Any word on anyone else getting called up?

Don't think he's strong enough or good enough for county football.
I think he is good enough
For someone to think that johnny munroe is not good enough or strong enough to play county football is ridiculous.  You havent seen him play much this year? Carrickmores best player by a long way (i know some of the smart assed knowledgeable people in this might say 'that wouldnt be hard').  I would have him on may team everyday day of the week over Aidan McCrory.

Your looking through your carrickmore tinted glasses. I don't think it's ridiculous to say he's not good enough. As the previous poster stated, there's quite a few men who are more worthy of a call up. He never stood out as a future tyrone senior whilst playing for minors or u21s.

Would you consider any of you're Greencastle men worthy of a Tyrone trial at the minute? That is if you can get them out of Eddie McCullaghs!

No I don't consider any of our men good enough at the moment and never have I made the suggestion! Carrickmore men are taking great offence at my opinion on Monroe. Like it or not, there's at least 6/7 men in the county who I believe are ahead of Monroe.

Dont think anybody is taking offence but just stating how highly rated he is within the club and that he is certainly deserving of a place in the county squad. Having watched Johnny and other established county stars down the years within our club, i think he has the potential to be as good any of the lads that have wore the county jersey from our club. This is my opinion. Can you name the 6/7 men you reckon are ahead of him as a matter of interest?

Its understandable your going to defend your club colleague but it doesn't mean that your right. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion and that's mine. I would count Michael Cassidy, Ruairi Mullan, Kieran McGeary, Dwayne Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ruairi Kelly and Niall Sludden all ahead of him for a spot in the defence.

Can i asked on what basis are you basing your opinion on that these fellas are ahead of Johnny? I am not doubting that these lads are good footballers but after watching a lot of club football this year and seeing most of these lads play I rate johnny better than most if not all.  I know you think i am looking at this through rose tinted glasses but believe me, this is not an opinion just based on my club loyalties.

I'm not the only one that thinks these 7 lads are capable of playing county football, there's a broad consensus that they should and will be called up. Four of the lads I mentioned starred in defence on the Tyrone U21 All Ireland winning side this year. Ruairi Kelly was a used substitute on the same side and has put in some great performances for Trillick at full back on their way to an Ulster semi final. Both Quinn and Sludden have played on O'Neill cup winning sides recently and are considered by many as mainstays of their respective team. I must admit I've only seen Monroe play twice this year but on both occasions he didn't stand out as county standard. If we're going to be serious about challenging for an All Ireland I'm afraid Monroe is not the answer.

And i am not the only one who things Johnny deserves his chance and these people are basing their opinion on more watching him in more than 2 games!!   I am not saying that johnny is ready to come in and get a starting slot straight away.  His potential is huge and with a bit more experience and strength and conditional coaching he could be an automatic starter in a few years.  He is also a main stay on the carrickmore team.  (At least he ticks one box of your selection criteria)

Automatic starter in a few years? A previous poster has already confirmed he's either 22 or 23 years old. So what you're saying is he'll be ready for county football by the time he hits 26/27 years of age. Can we wait that long? Surely it would make more sense to concentrate on developing the lads that are just out of U21 football with an All Ireland medal to boot. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I'm doubtful.

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tv pundit on November 13, 2015, 05:29:31 PM
Gaafan2
Johnny Munroe was under 21 in 2014, therefore he is one year older than all these lads you are talking about. Mc nabb, mc Namee, colly cavanagh etc didn't reach their potential until mid 20s
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 13, 2015, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on November 13, 2015, 05:29:31 PM
Gaafan2
Johnny Munroe was under 21 in 2014, therefore he is one year older than all these lads you are talking about. Mc nabb, mc Namee, colly cavanagh etc didn't reach their potential until mid 20s

Irrespective of what age he is or when he'll reach his potential I don't think he's capable of playing county football, in my informed opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on November 13, 2015, 06:34:02 PM
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Gaafan2
Johnny Munroe was under 21 in 2014, therefore he is one year older than all these lads you are talking about. Mc nabb, mc Namee, colly cavanagh etc didn't reach their potential until mid 20s

Irrespective of what age he is or when he'll reach his potential I don't think he's capable of playing county football, in my informed opinion.


Well I don't really know how informed your opinion is to be honest, great footballer who was the Tyrone minor captain and also think he may have been the u21 captain in his final year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 13, 2015, 06:40:45 PM
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Gaafan2
Johnny Munroe was under 21 in 2014, therefore he is one year older than all these lads you are talking about. Mc nabb, mc Namee, colly cavanagh etc didn't reach their potential until mid 20s

Irrespective of what age he is or when he'll reach his potential I don't think he's capable of playing county football, in my informed opinion.
Same age as Conall McCann, Richie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill etc. And anyone who watches club football or even under 21 football this past few years can see he's at a similar level to them and is fully deserving of a call up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneclub on November 13, 2015, 06:49:14 PM
Agree on the majorities opinion off Johnny Munroe. Great footballer and when the chips were down against Clonoe he threw everything to try to produce a come back but unfortunately he was on his own. Every team would like a player like Munroe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 13, 2015, 09:03:32 PM
Is he Raymond monroes cub? Very few Carmen footballers make the county and are found wanting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 13, 2015, 10:49:36 PM
Kieran McGeary, Hugh pat McGeary, Johnny Munroe, Niall sludden, Harry Og Conlon, Paudie Hampsey and David Mulgrew have been called up.
David Mulgrew is the big surprise there, if I was picking anyone from Ardboe I would've expected Michael Cassidy to have been called up, be interesting to see how he steps up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 13, 2015, 10:55:15 PM
Surprised at harry OG colon too. Not near that standard imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 13, 2015, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 13, 2015, 10:55:15 PM
Surprised at harry OG colon too. Not near that standard imo.
Good year for edendork and still issues around the middle and target man at the edge of the square.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 14, 2015, 12:04:06 AM
Sludden and hampsey the only valuable additions, IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 14, 2015, 12:44:25 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 14, 2015, 12:04:06 AM
Sludden and hampsey the only valuable additions, IMO.
Harsh on Kieran McGeary, I see him as a brilliant addition, could see him at wing half forward. Better option that Meyler in my opinion, classy going forward and doesn't shy away from his defensive duties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reddgnhand on November 14, 2015, 07:20:01 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 13, 2015, 10:55:15 PM
Surprised at harry OG colon too. Not near that standard imo.

Agree I've seen him quite a few times and never once stood out. What about big Dan McNulty? Surely he has something to offer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 14, 2015, 10:03:43 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 14, 2015, 12:04:06 AM
Sludden and hampsey the only valuable additions, IMO.

Jasus, I'd be giving the lads a chance to at least get their Christmas dinners over, do a bit of training and play a few matches before writing them off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Traveller on November 14, 2015, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 13, 2015, 10:49:36 PM
Kieran McGeary, Hugh pat McGeary, Johnny Munroe, Niall sludden, Harry Og Conlon, Paudie Hampsey and David Mulgrew have been called up.
David Mulgrew is the big surprise there, if I was picking anyone from Ardboe I would've expected Michael Cassidy to have been called up, be interesting to see how he steps up.
not really surprising as he is a nephew of Horse Devlin, not the right thing for the lad imo he is a serious talent but needs time to develop and should be concentrating on U 21's what's the rush to get him involved at this stage?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 14, 2015, 11:46:09 AM
Few people to respond to -

wee Roddy - If Munroe won 3 out of 5 balls against Mc Nulty why was Mc Gurk brought on after 15 minutes to mark him?? Nothing against Munroe, he was the best player last week for Carrickmore when moved out the field by a long way and stood out, probably deserves a shot

Superstar - Hampsey to dislodge Aidan Mc Crory at Corner Back!!!! I hope so, Sure Mc Crory played out the field against Kerry and lost several balls when in possession. Hampsey is a great defender also so would be best in the full back line marking. Very strong defender

Redhanddefender - your saying Brennan should start in front of Mc Curry and Mc Aliskey because they have had plenty of chances  and Brennan is "ready" to go!!! Your comparing 2 players against senior County teams and county defenders versus Brennan in Under 21 action and club action. No doubting his ability and will no doubt be an outstanding player in near future but he has a bit to go to get in front of those other 2
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tv pundit on November 14, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
Regarding DD Mulgrew, I hope this is not another great prospect who spends most of his development years sitting on the bench missing out on a chance to improve by playing competitive games at club level.
Not that omagh want any more of their players on the county panel but I thought conan Grugan was impressive for them on the two occasions I saw him this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on November 14, 2015, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 14, 2015, 11:46:09 AM
Few people to respond to -

wee Roddy - If Munroe won 3 out of 5 balls against Mc Nulty why was Mc Gurk brought on after 15 minutes to mark him?? Nothing against Munroe, he was the best player last week for Carrickmore when moved out the field by a long way and stood out, probably deserves a shot

Superstar - Hampsey to dislodge Aidan Mc Crory at Corner Back!!!! I hope so, Sure Mc Crory played out the field against Kerry and lost several balls when in possession. Hampsey is a great defender also so would be best in the full back line marking. Very strong defender

Redhanddefender - your saying Brennan should start in front of Mc Curry and Mc Aliskey because they have had plenty of chances  and Brennan is "ready" to go!!! Your comparing 2 players against senior County teams and county defenders versus Brennan in Under 21 action and club action. No doubting his ability and will no doubt be an outstanding player in near future but he has a bit to go to get in front of those other 2
I'm not getting into an argument about Monroe and McNulty but the reason McGurk came on wasn't to mark McNulty, it was because Johnnys influence was missed out the field. Clones half forward line was running riot. When Johnny went to no 6 the ball stopped going in. That's the facts of the matter and not an opinion by the way
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Disillusioned on November 14, 2015, 03:15:55 PM
Any word on whether Harte is pruning out the deadwood from 2015?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 14, 2015, 03:35:08 PM
Maybe Mickey and Horse view DD as a future star and want him to start getting the requisite S&C and familiarity with the squad. Can't write taking every young fella on the panel based on Ray Mulgrew, Coney and Peter Donnelly. Look at Donegal with Murphy and McBrearty. It's a case of the individual themselves. More U21s could come in based on this years campaign I'm sure as it worked out well adding Meyler last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 14, 2015, 03:52:31 PM
I'm happy with the call ups and have no doubt 4 or 5 of them can help improve the squad further next year. We had a good year last year and would be hopeful it could be a bigger one next year. Lot of players in the squad last year who were only there a year or two max that can hopefully improve further next year. I'm thinking the Brennan's, mcshane, mcnulty, Bradley, meyler, McCann , r Donnelly etc.

Out of the new year players I'm really looking forward to see how hampsey, k Mcgeary and sludden get on. They all have the potential to push for starting places. Munroe and Hp Mcgeary could well help strengthen are options at the back top which were quite limited. Im not convinced by Harry og but he has played on an all Ireland winning minor team and given his size and mobility could well provide another option at full forward.

In terms of the forwards mccurry and Mcaliskey improved as the year went on and they're still young enough to continue improving. Bradley and Brennan are also exciting talents who could provide could options at corner forward.

I really think we have the potential to get back challenging the very best teams again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 14, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on November 14, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
Regarding DD Mulgrew, I hope this is not another great prospect who spends most of his development years sitting on the bench missing out on a chance to improve by playing competitive games at club level.
Not that omagh want any more of their players on the county panel but I thought conan Grugan was impressive for them on the two occasions I saw him this year

U reckon dd is Gona miss out on  crucial devolpment  if he sits on the bench. Surely being trained by 3 time all Ireland winning manager Micky Harte is worth missing a few league games a year for.hed pick up more in a month with Tyrone than he would in whole year with ardboe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2015, 05:19:36 PM
The players mentioned there are all newcomers to the county team, has there been any recalls this year or is it just those mentioned who have been added to last season's panel?

We must have one of the youngest county panels in Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 14, 2015, 05:41:14 PM
Sounds like just those 7. If anyone was going to get recalled thought coney or grugan had a chance. Pj also would have been in contention but would be hard to call him in after last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 14, 2015, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 14, 2015, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 14, 2015, 11:46:09 AM
Few people to respond to -

wee Roddy - If Munroe won 3 out of 5 balls against Mc Nulty why was Mc Gurk brought on after 15 minutes to mark him?? Nothing against Munroe, he was the best player last week for Carrickmore when moved out the field by a long way and stood out, probably deserves a shot

Superstar - Hampsey to dislodge Aidan Mc Crory at Corner Back!!!! I hope so, Sure Mc Crory played out the field against Kerry and lost several balls when in possession. Hampsey is a great defender also so would be best in the full back line marking. Very strong defender

Redhanddefender - your saying Brennan should start in front of Mc Curry and Mc Aliskey because they have had plenty of chances  and Brennan is "ready" to go!!! Your comparing 2 players against senior County teams and county defenders versus Brennan in Under 21 action and club action. No doubting his ability and will no doubt be an outstanding player in near future but he has a bit to go to get in front of those other 2
I'm not getting into an argument about Monroe and McNulty but the reason McGurk came on wasn't to mark McNulty, it was because Johnnys influence was missed out the field. Clones half forward line was running riot. When Johnny went to no 6 the ball stopped going in. That's the facts of the matter and not an opinion by the way

Ha you will find the above statement is an opinion!!! Everything on here is Opinions. Monroe was excellent at 6
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on November 14, 2015, 07:33:19 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 14, 2015, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 14, 2015, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 14, 2015, 11:46:09 AM
Few people to respond to -

wee Roddy - If Munroe won 3 out of 5 balls against Mc Nulty why was Mc Gurk brought on after 15 minutes to mark him?? Nothing against Munroe, he was the best player last week for Carrickmore when moved out the field by a long way and stood out, probably deserves a shot

Superstar - Hampsey to dislodge Aidan Mc Crory at Corner Back!!!! I hope so, Sure Mc Crory played out the field against Kerry and lost several balls when in possession. Hampsey is a great defender also so would be best in the full back line marking. Very strong defender

Redhanddefender - your saying Brennan should start in front of Mc Curry and Mc Aliskey because they have had plenty of chances  and Brennan is "ready" to go!!! Your comparing 2 players against senior County teams and county defenders versus Brennan in Under 21 action and club action. No doubting his ability and will no doubt be an outstanding player in near future but he has a bit to go to get in front of those other 2
I'm not getting into an argument about Monroe and McNulty but the reason McGurk came on wasn't to mark McNulty, it was because Johnnys influence was missed out the field. Clones half forward line was running riot. When Johnny went to no 6 the ball stopped going in. That's the facts of the matter and not an opinion by the way

Ha you will find the above statement is an opinion!!! Everything on here is Opinions. Monroe was excellent at 6

You'll actually find his statement is a fact, Mcgurk was brought on so Johnny could be moved out the field to have more influence on the game!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2015, 09:17:22 PM
What's the thoughts on Hugh Pat McGeary?

How has he been playing at club level? Wouldn't really have earmarked him as a future county senior when I saw him play underage for the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 14, 2015, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2015, 09:17:22 PM
What's the thoughts on Hugh Pat McGeary?

How has he been playing at club level? Wouldn't really have earmarked him as a future county senior when I saw him play underage for the county.

Haven't seen a lot of him but what I have seen I was very impressed. Didn't give John McCullagh a kick in the championship last year. Very physically strong and loads of pace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 14, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
Is there any reason why Dan McNulty hasn't been called up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on November 15, 2015, 01:24:23 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 15, 2015, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on November 15, 2015, 01:24:23 AM
Yes


lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 15, 2015, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 15, 2015, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on November 15, 2015, 01:24:23 AM
Yes


lol

Have I missed the joke here?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 15, 2015, 10:01:54 AM
Have u seen him play much. Decent club player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 15, 2015, 10:53:27 AM
Quote from: redzone on November 15, 2015, 10:01:54 AM
Have u seen him play much. Decent club player

Thought he was a key man for u21's. Big, strong and kick a point. Have we many big strong forwards who can kick a point?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 15, 2015, 11:09:56 AM
Yeah he played well on the u21 but Bradley,Brennan, kavanagh were well ahead of him. Yes he is big and strong but he wouldn't be that powerful. Lacks that explosiveness that is required to play in the inside forward line. On his day he is unmarkable so I'm sure he on the radar
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 15, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
lee breenan is already a better option than mccurry and mccaliskey. isnt a big time archie is hungry to achieve and is a better freetaker than either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 15, 2015, 12:46:11 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 15, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
lee breenan is already a better option than mccurry and mccaliskey. isnt a big time archie is hungry to achieve and is a better freetaker than either.

It's very premature to say anything like that. McCurry and McAliskey had some excellent games last year against good opposition, Brennan hasn't even played any senior intercounty football yet and has it all to prove although he does look like a tremendous talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 15, 2015, 04:24:47 PM
lee missed a few chances today but is still young
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
Is there any reason why Dan McNulty hasn't been called up?
Can be very slack and can be very hit or miss, which is not what a senior intercounty team needs.
There would be more value bringing Kyle Coney back in than persisting with Dan McNulty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 16, 2015, 12:41:56 PM
What is the craic with Conan Grugan? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 16, 2015, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
Is there any reason why Dan McNulty hasn't been called up?
Can be very slack and can be very hit or miss, which is not what a senior intercounty team needs.
There would be more value bringing Kyle Coney back in than persisting with Dan McNulty.

Persisting?? He is only 21 and has barely had a kick with the senior team, how is this persisting with him? It's a coaches job to make him more hit than miss, we shouldn't expect the finished article at such a young age. But he has plenty of potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 16, 2015, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
Is there any reason why Dan McNulty hasn't been called up?
Can be very slack and can be very hit or miss, which is not what a senior intercounty team needs.
There would be more value bringing Kyle Coney back in than persisting with Dan McNulty.

Persisting?? He is only 21 and has barely had a kick with the senior team.
Has been there before and didn't offer much. Was decent for the under 21s but I can see no value in having him on the senior panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on November 16, 2015, 01:00:33 PM
Who has been the new call ups to the county squad at this stage?

Any more U21's call ups?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on November 16, 2015, 01:12:24 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 16, 2015, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
Is there any reason why Dan McNulty hasn't been called up?
Can be very slack and can be very hit or miss, which is not what a senior intercounty team needs.
There would be more value bringing Kyle Coney back in than persisting with Dan McNulty.

Persisting?? He is only 21 and has barely had a kick with the senior team.
Has been there before and didn't offer much. Was decent for the under 21s but I can see no value in having him on the senior panel.

He was there when he was 19 give the lad a break i think clonoe will be happy enough if danny stays at club level this year but no doubting his talents and potential. Ps he has all the power and pace needed to be a top rank ff
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 16, 2015, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 16, 2015, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
Is there any reason why Dan McNulty hasn't been called up?
Can be very slack and can be very hit or miss, which is not what a senior intercounty team needs.
There would be more value bringing Kyle Coney back in than persisting with Dan McNulty.

Persisting?? He is only 21 and has barely had a kick with the senior team, how is this persisting with him? It's a coaches job to make him more hit than miss, we shouldn't expect the finished article at such a young age. But he has plenty of potential.

I agree, think McNulty has great potential. I don't see the value in recalling Kyle Coney and 'persisting' with him. He's had a few chances and hasn't produced the goods on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 19, 2015, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on November 16, 2015, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 16, 2015, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 14, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
Is there any reason why Dan McNulty hasn't been called up?
Can be very slack and can be very hit or miss, which is not what a senior intercounty team needs.
There would be more value bringing Kyle Coney back in than persisting with Dan McNulty.

Persisting?? He is only 21 and has barely had a kick with the senior team, how is this persisting with him? It's a coaches job to make him more hit than miss, we shouldn't expect the finished article at such a young age. But he has plenty of potential.

I agree, think McNulty has great potential. I don't see the value in recalling Kyle Coney and 'persisting' with him. He's had a few chances and hasn't produced the goods on a regular basis.
+1, he got one year as a 19 yo and he was injured for most of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 19, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
A lot of players got the call up and came back to their clubs half the players they were and totally demorilised after being used as extras for training. Sometimes good to get callup, sometimes not...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 19, 2015, 01:05:26 PM
Mc Nulty went to the county for the Mc Kenna Cup in 2014, scored a goal in his first game before coming off in that game with back injury, which was dreadfully handled by the senior management. Due to injury played no more games and was dropped. Our club picked up the tab to get him sorted way back in the summer and Autumn of 2014, and full credit to Fergal Logans team who worked further with him to get him fit for the U21s, where he made a massive contribution, but unfortunately played our club championship injured, a different injury, but short term) So we can make the assumption that the poster who used the word 'persisting' does not have notion about him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on November 19, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
I'm wondering if the said poster re: Danny McNulty is maybe confusing Danny with his older brother Stephen??????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 11, 2015, 06:19:15 PM
Is the big game against Derry still happening on Sunday? Assume most of the new guys will be on show and likes of Clark and oneill who struggled last year. Very early start to the season!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 11, 2015, 07:18:24 PM
I saw on an article penned by Joe Brolly last week that Kieran McGeary suffered a serious ankle injury during a Tyrone training session.

Any substance to this or just usual hysteria by Joe to push his agenda?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on December 11, 2015, 08:16:25 PM
Joe Brolly must be stuck for a butt a crack !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 11, 2015, 09:28:33 PM
He listed out injuries and tried to blame modern training. You'd think players didn't get injured in the past to listen to him. He's full of crap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2015, 10:52:34 PM
Anyone in attendance at the O'Fiach matches?

How have the new players been getting on? All seem to have had a run out in both matches. Good to see Conor Clarke getting some gametime in, really hope he can recapture his form this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on December 20, 2015, 11:03:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2015, 10:52:34 PM
Anyone in attendance at the O'Fiach matches?

How have the new players been getting on? All seem to have had a run out in both matches. Good to see Conor Clarke getting some gametime in, really hope he can recapture his form this year.

Yes I was there. New players getting on well. Clarke did well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on December 20, 2015, 11:03:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2015, 10:52:34 PM
Anyone in attendance at the O'Fiach matches?

How have the new players been getting on? All seem to have had a run out in both matches. Good to see Conor Clarke getting some gametime in, really hope he can recapture his form this year.

Yes I was there. New players getting on well. Clarke did well.

Anyone stand out over the two games, particularly with the new guys? I think Hampsey and Kieran McGeary would probably be the two with the best shot of nailing down a place in the XV this year. Looks like there will be serious competition for places when we get back everyone back in and fit, also hear Ronan O'Neill is looking in the best physical shape he has been in for some time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on December 21, 2015, 11:13:31 PM
Nobody stood out over the two games!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 30, 2015, 05:16:48 PM
Is there a date for the Derry/ Tyrone Championship game yet?

I have it in my diary as 22nd May but in conversation a lot of people said he has not been announced, and indeed I can't find it online.

Did I just make it up!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on December 30, 2015, 11:54:52 PM
Norf this is only place I have saw the USFC fixtures:
http://fermanagh.gaa.ie/the-entire-ulster-gaa-2016-fixtures-dates/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 31, 2015, 12:01:25 AM
Any word on whether any of the panel members are playing with their respective universities like the previous year in the McKenna Cup?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 31, 2015, 09:10:19 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on December 30, 2015, 11:54:52 PM
Norf this is only place I have saw the USFC fixtures:
http://fermanagh.gaa.ie/the-entire-ulster-gaa-2016-fixtures-dates/

Deadly. I seen an old Ulster Herald report of the same too.

Thanks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on January 01, 2016, 07:50:37 PM
I want to share a secret with all my fellow Tyrone Gaels! Mickey Hartes young Bulls will not be taking the backdoor route this year! Have you got my message yet? Put your trunks on Tyrone to win Ulster! Can't advise on the minors hopes as that Paul Devlin has no great record in management ! The teams he managed picked themselves ! Clonoe is my shout for the county title as they will have prude to restore in their centenary year! And Joe McCabe always smiles at me ! That sways me towards the Rahillys ! 2016 the year of the warrior ! Bring her on !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on January 03, 2016, 09:27:46 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on January 01, 2016, 07:50:37 PM
I want to share a secret with all my fellow Tyrone Gaels! Mickey Hartes young Bulls will not be taking the backdoor route this year! Have you got my message yet? Put your trunks on Tyrone to win Ulster! Can't advise on the minors hopes as that Paul Devlin has no great record in management ! The teams he managed picked themselves ! Clonoe is my shout for the county title as they will have prude to restore in their centenary year! And Joe McCabe always smiles at me ! That sways me towards the Rahillys ! 2016 the year of the warrior ! Bring her on !

Warrior in Irish translates to Fianna so you must be talking about the Island!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on January 05, 2016, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: EastTyrone on January 03, 2016, 09:27:46 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on January 01, 2016, 07:50:37 PM
I want to share a secret with all my fellow Tyrone Gaels! Mickey Hartes young Bulls will not be taking the backdoor route this year! Have you got my message yet? Put your trunks on Tyrone to win Ulster! Can't advise on the minors hopes as that Paul Devlin has no great record in management ! The teams he managed picked themselves ! Clonoe is my shout for the county title as they will have prude to restore in their centenary year! And Joe McCabe always smiles at me ! That sways me towards the Rahillys ! 2016 the year of the warrior ! Bring her on !

Warrior in Irish translates to Fianna so you must be talking about the Island!


Lol 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 15, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
I see Harte was talking about having to cut the panel after the McKenna Cup. Anyone have an idea what's the number we'll be going with? We had 34 at the end of last year I think.

At the moment we seem to be running with 39, including the lads that are currently play with colleges and otherwise unavailable at this time.

I'm assuming Niall McKenna is still involved, think I read Mickey saying he was injured along with McNabb and Joe McMahon. I think he's good enough but has had some bad luck, he was excellent against Cavan in the McKenna Cup last year but seemed to be one of the fall guys for the Monaghan game and didn't get back in for the rest of the league and now misses the pre-season games. I'd say he's very likely to face the cull. Harte also was quite demanding when he spoke about McMahon needing to get up to scratch fitness wise very soon so he could be another under threat.

Seems to be real competition this year, you could see in previous years guys like McGuigan, McBride, Hughes, Emmett McKenna just didn't look up to the job and were going to see little action come Championship, the lads on the fringes this year all seem to be making a big impact.

Is there any chance we'll add others from the university teams now like Grugan or Frank Burns? Conall McCann seemed to join the senior panel very much under the radar last year after Mary's involvement came to a halt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on January 15, 2016, 10:17:17 PM
Frank Burns is U21 again this year, his 3rd year starting so there is a fair chance he will be in the senior set up soon enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 15, 2016, 10:38:48 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 15, 2016, 10:17:17 PM
Frank Burns is U21 again this year, his 3rd year starting so there is a fair chance he will be in the senior set up soon enough.

Starting ?? Is the team picked already !! Plenty of good lads were great players a year early but never made it in last year. I hope you are not jinxing Frank as he is a fine player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on January 15, 2016, 10:42:18 PM
He's started the last 2 years....id say there a fair chance he'll start again this year 8) 8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 16, 2016, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 15, 2016, 10:42:18 PM
He's started the last 2 years....id say there a fair chance he'll start again this year 8) 8)
Started on all the Jordanstown Ryan Cup games as well, no easy thing to do when they have 23 senior inter-county players to choose from.
I would say he is a safe bet to start for the under 21s if fit at all and the most obvious player to be called up to the senior panel once the under 21s are finished.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on January 16, 2016, 08:45:35 PM
Is the u-21 squad listed anywhere?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 17, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 16, 2016, 08:45:35 PM
Is the u-21 squad listed anywhere?
Not yet but will probably be out before the Shamrock Cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 18, 2016, 10:10:50 AM
With the league starting next week is there any established players in danger of missing out?

I think I read that Harte has around 45 players to pick from, so you'd expect a cull of a dozen or so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 18, 2016, 10:42:53 AM
I think he's been working of a panel of around 37 or 38. I'd say 2 or 3 max will go. As he said yesterday there's a few long term injuries like Joe, McKenna and McNabb so that will drop the numbers for a good chunk of the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 18, 2016, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 18, 2016, 10:42:53 AM
I think he's been working of a panel of around 37 or 38. I'd say 2 or 3 max will go. As he said yesterday there's a few long term injuries like Joe, McKenna and McNabb so that will drop the numbers for a good chunk of the league.

Mc Kenna is set to come back in for league. Definitely players in danger, Big Joe could be depending on what way the injury is. For me Sludden, HP Mc Geary and Richie Donnelly have all grasped their chance and could definitely make a difference, Hampsey to doesn't look out of place.

I think we still lack a corner forward though and Brennan should get the nod as first choice
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 18, 2016, 12:34:08 PM
Whos in danger of the chop???
Big Joe? McShane? Mulgrew? P Quinn? Munroe? Conlan? McKenna?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on January 18, 2016, 12:39:30 PM
Conlon doesnt appear to have got much game time...Conor Clarke maybe - not sure he has developed the way we first thought..yes the injury didnt help, but to me he could do with time back with his club...
Think Joeys time is up tbh..doesnt fit into that high workrate and support play game that MH is developing...and hes 33/34 now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 18, 2016, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on January 18, 2016, 12:39:30 PM
Conlon doesnt appear to have got much game time...Conor Clarke maybe - not sure he has developed the way we first thought..yes the injury didnt help, but to me he could do with time back with his club...
Think Joeys time is up tbh..doesnt fit into that high workrate and support play game that MH is developing...and hes 33/34 now?

Hes 31/32 max and if he is fit he still would be a serious addition. he is a year younger than Cavanagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on January 18, 2016, 06:08:59 PM
Some of the current squad will be going back to the Under 21 team this year as well. McShane is still U21 along with a few others so they won't be on the senior squad at the same time. That should reduce numbers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 18, 2016, 08:07:06 PM
I felt we were desperately short of cover in the full back line last year with the likes of McNabb and Brennan filling in there when McCarron was unavailable so I'd imagine HP McGeary and Hampsey will definitely keep their places, would also expect Kieran McGeary and Sludden to make the cut. From the new guys brought in I feel Conlon, Munroe and Mulgrew have the biggest tasks to keep their places. Harte seems to be very fond of Conall McCann but he hasn't really shown it yet in the county jersey.

Clarke has seen a lot of minutes in the early season so far, think he will be kept on and hope that his match sharpness improves as the season progresses. I don't see Patrick Quinn getting much time for us and would imagine he's a likely option to get cut.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 19, 2016, 12:07:26 PM
Anyone in a position to shed some light on the hurling situation??  I see the CB are being blamed by the players for a bad managerial appointment and there is some issue with Dungannon making players available. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on January 19, 2016, 05:06:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 19, 2016, 12:07:26 PM
Anyone in a position to shed some light on the hurling situation??  I see the CB are being blamed by the players for a bad managerial appointment and there is some issue with Dungannon making players available.

I wouldn't be so quick to blame the CB. Apparently there was only one applicant for the job so they gave it to him. While some planning would have been ideal, if there isn't any better candidates forthcoming then what are they to do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 07:27:05 PM
big joe needs to prove his fitness according to harte. ironic id say considering the manager had him togged out running up and down the sideline v monaghan ai qf in august 5 days after his minor operation which surprise surprise he still isnt fit from 6 months later. hartes memory a tad selective id say. can see another shay mcguigan scenario big joe thrown back in last league game without having trained. busted flush for his club the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 19, 2016, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 07:27:05 PM
big joe needs to prove his fitness according to harte. ironic id say considering the manager had him togged out running up and down the sideline v monaghan ai qf in august 5 days after his minor operation which surprise surprise he still isnt fit from 6 months later. hartes memory a tad selective id say. can see another shay mcguigan scenario big joe thrown back in last league game without having trained. busted flush for his club the rest of the season.

Joe McMahon has played about 100 minutes of football for Tyrone in the past two years.

I hope he does get back to fitness as he's a brilliant player for Tyrone when fit and ready but I do think Harte has a right to be concerned about his fitness issues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
he wasnt too concerned about his fitness issues last april or more worryingly in august.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 20, 2016, 08:44:02 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
he wasnt too concerned about his fitness issues last april or more worryingly in august.
It is a 2 way street, maybe last year Joe was telling Harte he was ready, now they have learned the lesson.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 20, 2016, 09:21:31 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
he wasnt too concerned about his fitness issues last april or more worryingly in august.

Last April he was thrown on for the last 15 minutes and stuck in at full forward against Kerry. He had been playing and training away with his club according to Joe himself. Hardly the most endangering move with regard to his fitness.

In August he was an unused sub against Kerry, again hardly the most endangering move to his fitness. I'm also sure Joe wanted to be involved in an All Ireland semi final. You sound like guy who has an axe to grind rather than someone with a genuine grievance which is a little sad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
he wasnt too concerned about his fitness issues last april or more worryingly in august.


Its because the spice boys took a trimming without the big man
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 20, 2016, 01:13:35 PM
Is pete hughes still on the panel? What about Danny mc bride? I know mc bride was playing for St Marys but saw he wasn't on the 26 last weekend

Looks like Patrick Quinn could get dropped anyway, bit harsh as he scores a lot of goals for dungannon and would be another option as a big man at full forward but harte doesn't seem to fancy him as he hasnt got much of a chance
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on January 20, 2016, 02:24:35 PM
I think that both Hughes and McBride have left the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tv pundit on January 20, 2016, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
he wasnt too concerned about his fitness issues last april or more worryingly in august.


Its because the spice boys took a trimming without the big man

;D ;D although the spice boys could be hard enough to beat this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on January 20, 2016, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 20, 2016, 02:24:35 PM
I think that both Hughes and McBride have left the panel.

Hughes has anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on January 20, 2016, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
he wasnt too concerned about his fitness issues last april or more worryingly in august.


Its because the spice boys took a trimming without the big man

;D ;D although the spice boys could be hard enough to beat this year

why?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tv pundit on January 20, 2016, 04:10:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: tv pundit on January 20, 2016, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on January 19, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
he wasnt too concerned about his fitness issues last april or more worryingly in august.


Its because the spice boys took a trimming without the big man

;D ;D although the spice boys could be hard enough to beat this year

why?
Said they could be hard to beat, didn't say they would win it. I think the o neill cup is between clonoe and killyclogher
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on January 21, 2016, 11:19:13 AM
Any chance the Mc'Kenna cup final is being broadcast / streamed anywhere on Sat night?
And also has anyone come across a TG4 schedule for broadcast league games on Sundays yet?

Thanks
JB
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on January 22, 2016, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 21, 2016, 11:44:23 AM
I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere but I'd guess it will be on Armagh TV
a wee word of warning ! I paid for that on my computer this time last year and I enjoyed 15 mins before the screen went blank;no reason given just typical grab all skullduggery !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 22, 2016, 09:43:07 AM
am I right in saying that last years final was live on the BBC? no chance of a repeat this time around?

any team news yet? guessing this could be the last chance for a few guys before the panel is cut.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 22, 2016, 10:09:29 AM
Last years was on bbc, hopefully the same this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 22, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
Or you could just go!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 22, 2016, 12:35:20 PM
Just a bit too high on must win list... Jimmy McGuinness hardly won a McKenna Cup game... all this five in a row chat is  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 22, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 22, 2016, 12:35:20 PM
Just a bit too high on must win list... Jimmy McGuinness hardly won a McKenna Cup game... all this five in a row chat is  ::)

Jimmy mc Guinness only bagged 1 all ireland
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on January 22, 2016, 02:35:26 PM
Think the BBC are showing extended highlights online after the game has finished-no live coverage. Take 'extended highlights' with a pinch of salt I'd imagine
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 22, 2016, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 22, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 22, 2016, 12:35:20 PM
Just a bit too high on must win list... Jimmy McGuinness hardly won a McKenna Cup game... all this five in a row chat is  ::)

Jimmy mc Guinness only bagged 1 all ireland

yeah but was there three years and that was his focus. Tyrone have beaten no top team in the championship since 2008 but have won a lot of McKenna Cups!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 22, 2016, 04:18:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 22, 2016, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 22, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 22, 2016, 12:35:20 PM
Just a bit too high on must win list... Jimmy McGuinness hardly won a McKenna Cup game... all this five in a row chat is  ::)

Jimmy mc Guinness only bagged 1 all ireland

yeah but was there three years and that was his focus. Tyrone have beaten no top team in the championship since 2008 but have won a lot of McKenna Cups!

So the secret to winning All-Irelands and beating 'top' teams in the championship is to not win the McKenna Cup? Fairly sure that Tyrone's success has not had a negative impact on their results later in the year. Every year at this time they try out a lot of new players, same as everyone else, and I'm sure they're not going over the top training-wise just yet.

Realistically winning games can only be a positive thing and if you can do that at this time of year without busting your balls even better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on January 23, 2016, 11:38:12 PM
Of course he is. Whether he's worth of a start is a different matter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 23, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.

Don't think he played badly tonight, the game changed for Tyrone tonight when Meyler was brought on at half time and started dictating things for Tyrone. McAliskey also came on for O'Neill at the same time but up until then both he and Brennan were very quiet as Tyrone were being dominated in the middle of the park and there was little ball going in, he took a nice score towards the end of the second half.

McAliskey and McCurry are the two starting forwards and O'Neill and Brennan are good backup to have at the minute.


Any thoughts on the XV for Cavan? Were Harte, McCrory, Cavanagh and Richie Donnelly injured tonight?

I hope Richie Donnelly gets a run at midfield against Cavan if he's fit. Sludden was excellent tonight so would also deserve a start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on January 24, 2016, 01:25:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 23, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.

Don't think he played badly tonight, the game changed for Tyrone tonight when Meyler was brought on at half time and started dictating things for Tyrone. McAliskey also came on for O'Neill at the same time but up until then both he and Brennan were very quiet as Tyrone were being dominated in the middle of the park and there was little ball going in, he took a nice score towards the end of the second half.

McAliskey and McCurry are the two starting forwards and O'Neill and Brennan are good backup to have at the minute.


Any thoughts on the XV for Cavan? Were Harte, McCrory, Cavanagh and Richie Donnelly injured tonight?

I hope Richie Donnelly gets a run at midfield against Cavan if he's fit. Sludden was excellent tonight so would also deserve a start.

Harte and McCrory are in Canada on a skiing holiday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2016, 10:31:42 AM
Good win last night after playing very poorly for the first 45 minutes. A few performances in the first half will make it easy for Harte to cut two or three from the panel today or tomorrow.

Was great to see some of the newer players like Meyler and Sludden drive the team on when they were behind against and experienced Derry team. If we can keep everyone fit there is a potentially very strong team there. Any guesses for what his league team will be next week? Harte has a few decisions to make there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2016, 10:31:42 AM
Good win last night after playing very poorly for the first 45 minutes. A few performances in the first half will make it easy for Harte to cut two or three from the panel today or tomorrow.

Was great to see some of the newer players like Meyler and Sludden drive the team on when they were behind against and experienced Derry team. If we can keep everyone fit there is a potentially very strong team there. Any guesses for what his league team will be next week? Harte has a few decisions to make there.

I wouldn't be so quick to write off certain players on the basis of last night, there was an imbalance to the team I felt with too many big physical player playing and not enough pace or mobility in the starting side. Few players were played out of position as well.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 11:23:33 AM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 24, 2016, 01:25:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 23, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.

Don't think he played badly tonight, the game changed for Tyrone tonight when Meyler was brought on at half time and started dictating things for Tyrone. McAliskey also came on for O'Neill at the same time but up until then both he and Brennan were very quiet as Tyrone were being dominated in the middle of the park and there was little ball going in, he took a nice score towards the end of the second half.

McAliskey and McCurry are the two starting forwards and O'Neill and Brennan are good backup to have at the minute.


Any thoughts on the XV for Cavan? Were Harte, McCrory, Cavanagh and Richie Donnelly injured tonight?

I hope Richie Donnelly gets a run at midfield against Cavan if he's fit. Sludden was excellent tonight so would also deserve a start.

Harte and McCrory are in Canada on a skiing holiday.

Is Peter Harte not a teacher? Thought it was very difficult for teachers to take time out during the school year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 24, 2016, 11:41:16 AM
Good to see mcshane get a few points last night, expected him to feature more for the seniors as the championship progressed last year and thought he'd been looking out of form and confidence recently but that should do him the world of good.

Any sign of these extended highlights the bbc were supposed to have on their website?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 24, 2016, 12:18:12 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 11:23:33 AM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 24, 2016, 01:25:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 23, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.

Don't think he played badly tonight, the game changed for Tyrone tonight when Meyler was brought on at half time and started dictating things for Tyrone. McAliskey also came on for O'Neill at the same time but up until then both he and Brennan were very quiet as Tyrone were being dominated in the middle of the park and there was little ball going in, he took a nice score towards the end of the second half.

McAliskey and McCurry are the two starting forwards and O'Neill and Brennan are good backup to have at the minute.


Any thoughts on the XV for Cavan? Were Harte, McCrory, Cavanagh and Richie Donnelly injured tonight?

I hope Richie Donnelly gets a run at midfield against Cavan if he's fit. Sludden was excellent tonight so would also deserve a start.

Harte and McCrory are in Canada on a skiing holiday.

Is Peter Harte not a teacher? Thought it was very difficult for teachers to take time out during the school year.

School ski trip?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 24, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
Be alot of pressure on Harry Og Conlon and Patrick Quinn to remain on the squad now after dissapointing performances last night. I would also say David Mulgrew will drop of the panel to focus solely on the Under 21s. Conor Clarke didnt exactly cover himself in glory either in the first half, be a question mark over what his role can be for the year ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 24, 2016, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 23, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.

Don't think he played badly tonight, the game changed for Tyrone tonight when Meyler was brought on at half time and started dictating things for Tyrone. McAliskey also came on for O'Neill at the same time but up until then both he and Brennan were very quiet as Tyrone were being dominated in the middle of the park and there was little ball going in, he took a nice score towards the end of the second half.

McAliskey and McCurry are the two starting forwards and O'Neill and Brennan are good backup to have at the minute.


Any thoughts on the XV for Cavan? Were Harte, McCrory, Cavanagh and Richie Donnelly injured tonight?

I hope Richie Donnelly gets a run at midfield against Cavan if he's fit. Sludden was excellent tonight so would also deserve a start.


I would take brennan starting over mc curry everyday, was good when he came on last night but hes had his chance and bottled it at key times.

difficult one with o'neill, he just doesnt have the pace for full forward line and can harte accomodate him rounf half forward line with so many hard workers in the squad in and around there, i don't think he can.

Sludden and Myler were fantastic, thought mc shane showed great ball to after a dissapointing start to keep going for it. Also both mc gearys look the part
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 24, 2016, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 23, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.

Don't think he played badly tonight, the game changed for Tyrone tonight when Meyler was brought on at half time and started dictating things for Tyrone. McAliskey also came on for O'Neill at the same time but up until then both he and Brennan were very quiet as Tyrone were being dominated in the middle of the park and there was little ball going in, he took a nice score towards the end of the second half.

McAliskey and McCurry are the two starting forwards and O'Neill and Brennan are good backup to have at the minute.


Any thoughts on the XV for Cavan? Were Harte, McCrory, Cavanagh and Richie Donnelly injured tonight?

I hope Richie Donnelly gets a run at midfield against Cavan if he's fit. Sludden was excellent tonight so would also deserve a start.


I would take brennan starting over mc curry everyday, was good when he came on last night but hes had his chance and bottled it at key times.

difficult one with o'neill, he just doesnt have the pace for full forward line and can harte accomodate him rounf half forward line with so many hard workers in the squad in and around there, i don't think he can.

Sludden and Myler were fantastic, thought mc shane showed great ball to after a dissapointing start to keep going for it. Also both mc gearys look the part

McCurry gets a lot of harsh press for me. He had a couple of bad days on frees against Donegal and Kerry last year but he was very good from open play. Brennan is unproven at the top level, McCurry is proven. Ryan Wylie was touted as the standout corner back in the country last year up until the quarter final with Tyrone and McCurry destroyed him.

Brennan is a smashing talent but he has it all to prove. McCurry is much further down the progression line at the minute and hopefully the pressure for places will push both lads to produce their best. Right now, McCurry is the guy who deserves the jersey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 02:01:21 PM
I find McShane to be an extremely frustrating player. He has it all for a modern day footballer, he's big, strong, fit, quick. He's good in the air, he can kick points off both feet but his decision making and efficiency is really lacking. I lost count of the number of attacks that broke down with him last night, running into traffic, fumbling balls under no real pressure and hitting shots from impossible angles. He didn't seem to be tuned in at all for the game in normal time.

He's a young lad so it's bound to be inexperience/nerves/confidence at this stage but he really needs to up his game to nail down a starting spot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Newbridge Exile on January 24, 2016, 04:06:35 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 24, 2016, 01:25:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 23, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.

Don't think he played badly tonight, the game changed for Tyrone tonight when Meyler was brought on at half time and started dictating things for Tyrone. McAliskey also came on for O'Neill at the same time but up until then both he and Brennan were very quiet as Tyrone were being dominated in the middle of the park and there was little ball going in, he took a nice score towards the end of the second half.

McAliskey and McCurry are the two starting forwards and O'Neill and Brennan are good backup to have at the minute.


Any thoughts on the XV for Cavan? Were Harte, McCrory, Cavanagh and Richie Donnelly injured tonight?

I hope Richie Donnelly gets a run at midfield against Cavan if he's fit. Sludden was excellent tonight so would also deserve a start.

Harte and McCrory are in Canada on a skiing holiday.
McCrory is away skiing,don't think Harte is though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 25, 2016, 09:27:28 AM
Any word on who has been chopped? I heard the phone calls were being made yesterday evening!!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 25, 2016, 09:35:29 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 24, 2016, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 23, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 23, 2016, 11:16:52 PM
Is Ronan O'Neill worth a place on the Tyrone panel.

Don't think he played badly tonight, the game changed for Tyrone tonight when Meyler was brought on at half time and started dictating things for Tyrone. McAliskey also came on for O'Neill at the same time but up until then both he and Brennan were very quiet as Tyrone were being dominated in the middle of the park and there was little ball going in, he took a nice score towards the end of the second half.

McAliskey and McCurry are the two starting forwards and O'Neill and Brennan are good backup to have at the minute.


Any thoughts on the XV for Cavan? Were Harte, McCrory, Cavanagh and Richie Donnelly injured tonight?

I hope Richie Donnelly gets a run at midfield against Cavan if he's fit. Sludden was excellent tonight so would also deserve a start.


I would take brennan starting over mc curry everyday, was good when he came on last night but hes had his chance and bottled it at key times.

difficult one with o'neill, he just doesnt have the pace for full forward line and can harte accomodate him rounf half forward line with so many hard workers in the squad in and around there, i don't think he can.

Sludden and Myler were fantastic, thought mc shane showed great ball to after a dissapointing start to keep going for it. Also both mc gearys look the part

McCurry gets a lot of harsh press for me. He had a couple of bad days on frees against Donegal and Kerry last year but he was very good from open play. Brennan is unproven at the top level, McCurry is proven. Ryan Wylie was touted as the standout corner back in the country last year up until the quarter final with Tyrone and McCurry destroyed him.

Brennan is a smashing talent but he has it all to prove. McCurry is much further down the progression line at the minute and hopefully the pressure for places will push both lads to produce their best. Right now, McCurry is the guy who deserves the jersey.

In your opinion, he doesn't have the bottle when needed as he has proved, better to push brennan through now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 25, 2016, 09:41:20 AM
McCurry is still only around 23. Very harsh to be talking about someone not having the bottle etc so young. Plenty of players who went on to become top players were only breaking into county teams at that stage. He improved a lot last year and could well do so again this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:20:07 AM
McCurry starts for me every day in the big games - he's a classy forward.

I always thought of him as a player that would come alive in the good day within a championship situation.

On another note – I was never convinced about Meyler but now I am!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 25, 2016, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:20:07 AM
McCurry starts for me every day in the big games - he's a classy forward.

I always thought of him as a player that would come alive in the good day within a championship situation.

On another note – I was never convinced about Meyler but now I am!

This.

Think McCurry has had plenty of big games for us already and only turns 23 this year. Meyler did ok last year when he came into the senior team but he looks like he could really kick on this year and be a really big player for us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 25, 2016, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 25, 2016, 10:38:28 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:20:07 AM
McCurry starts for me every day in the big games - he's a classy forward.

I always thought of him as a player that would come alive in the good day within a championship situation.

On another note – I was never convinced about Meyler but now I am!

This.

Think McCurry has had plenty of big games for us already and only turns 23 this year. Meyler did ok last year when he came into the senior team but he looks like he could really kick on this year and be a really big player for us.

Think Meyler is perfect for that half forward/ Ryan McHugh role, he can run all day. Looks to have bulked up a bit during the winter too which is encouraging and should help him break the tackle more often
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on January 26, 2016, 10:07:06 AM
Harry Og Conlon and Patrick Quinn dropped for the league according to Hoganstand - any others?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 26, 2016, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: laceer on January 26, 2016, 10:07:06 AM
Harry Og Conlon and Patrick Quinn dropped for the league according to Hoganstand - any others?

Yeah think that's it, going forward with a big panel by the sounds of it. Few lads could struggle to get much game time, although potentially (all being well) there could be more scope to rotate in Div 2 than Div 1.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 26, 2016, 11:20:37 AM
And Mulgrew is still in??? That's comical!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 26, 2016, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: driveherin on January 26, 2016, 11:20:37 AM
And Mulgrew is still in??? That's comical!!!

How is that comical?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 26, 2016, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: driveherin on January 14, 2016, 08:56:47 AM
SO.....how are the new recruits getting on? Hugh Pat seems to have started well and picked up MOM last night....
What about the rest of them? Kieran McGeary? Harry Conlan? David Mulgrew (out of his depth?)

Quote from: driveherin on January 14, 2016, 12:35:07 PM
I heard the only reason Mulgrew was there is because he is Horse's wee project!! Played about 4 games for Ardboe last year....not on u21 squad....am I missing something???

Quote from: driveherin on January 18, 2016, 12:34:08 PM
Whos in danger of the chop???
Big Joe? McShane? Mulgrew? P Quinn? Munroe? Conlan? McKenna?

Quote from: driveherin on January 26, 2016, 11:20:37 AM
And Mulgrew is still in??? That's comical!!!

So whats your game? Are you a disgruntled young man that never got a crack at the county? Are you a Moortown man?

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with D Mulgrew.

I have only seen Mulgrew play club once and I thought he was good and hopefully he'll make it and I hear he's a great prospect but to come on here and continually run down a lad whose 19 is a bit OTT would you not agree.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 26, 2016, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 26, 2016, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: driveherin on January 26, 2016, 11:20:37 AM
And Mulgrew is still in??? That's comical!!!

How is that comical?

Mulgrew is clearly on the panel this year for experience. Maybe he won't play too much (remember he will be involved with the u21s and I'm guessing he'll be one of their main men) but the management obviously see serious potential there and it isn't hard to see why seeing as he played county minors for 3 seasons. Can't see why anyone would have a problem including him on the panel, can only be a good thing for him to be exposed to training with the likes of Cavanagh etc and the increased strength and conditioning. Also by all accounts he impressed against Derry up in Owenbeg so I can definitely see the worth in keeping him on the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 26, 2016, 12:19:19 PM
I have no problem with the lad....but...If he wasn't horse's nephew, he wouldn't be there!! There are better options in Tyrone than him. Frank Burns for one!!! 5'7" and 11stone (if that) ain't gonna cut it....simple
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 26, 2016, 12:28:13 PM
There should be more cuts to follow.  I can see clubs kicking off when their main men cant play football and are not getting county football.  Micky shouldn't need to carry such a large squad.  Is he afraid to make a decision or afraid of upsetting a man or 2?  Will we have a repeat of last year when men walked away from the squad disillusioned with the set-up!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 26, 2016, 12:34:58 PM
hes carrying a large squad for his in house games...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 26, 2016, 12:48:56 PM
What kind of numbers are we actually talking about? So from last years squad there was initially 7 lads added, and conlan has since been cut.

Paddy Quinn has also been cut and Pete Hughes and Danny McBride have left the panel. I believe Niall McKenna and PJ Quinn and still offically on the panel but are long term injuries. Big Joe and Ronan McNabb are also long term injuries and then you have Mcshane, Lee Brennan and Mulgrew that are still u21s and will presumably be training with them sometimes. Add in a few other random injuries that will inevitably occur and suddenly the panel doesnt look that big
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 26, 2016, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 26, 2016, 11:20:37 AM
And Mulgrew is still in??? That's comical!!!


I only seen Mulgrew play against Derry the first day and to be honest he was one of the better players. His workrate was great and caused a lot of problems.

Quinn and Conlon looked sluggish Saturday night and completely of the pace. I think Mulgrew earned himself another look.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2016, 01:29:21 PM
I make it 34 we had on the squad last year including Sean Fox.

McBride and Hughes dropped out and we added 7 new players, 1 of whom has been cut along with Quinn.

That makes it 37.

McNabb, Joe McMahon and Niall McKenna are currently on the treatment table with medium to long term injuries.

Lee Brennan, McShane, Mulgrew and Fox will probably be off with the U21s shortly. There's lads who will be pulled away with Sigerson commitments as well over the next month or so.

It's not an excessive number to have involved at this time of year but the usual faces are still out here looking to peddle their agenda against Harte, very sad and tiresome.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 26, 2016, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2016, 01:29:21 PM
I make it 34 we had on the squad last year including Sean Fox.

McBride and Hughes dropped out and we added 7 new players, 1 of whom has been cut along with Quinn.

That makes it 37.

McNabb, Joe McMahon and Niall McKenna are currently on the treatment table with medium to long term injuries.

Lee Brennan, McShane, Mulgrew and Fox will probably be off with the U21s shortly. There's lads who will be pulled away with Sigerson commitments as well over the next month or so.

It's not an excessive number to have involved at this time of year but the usual faces are still out here looking to peddle their agenda against Harte, very sad and tiresome.

Agreed. Can't please everyone. Even noticed that during the game on Saturday Kyle Coney was posting on twitter and seemed to be giving out that Harte had the audacity to make a few substitutions when Tyrone were getting beat at half time...

Also I don't think Sean Fox is actually part of the panel at the moment, could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 26, 2016, 01:56:17 PM
Me Questioning the panel size should not be taken as an anti Harte agenda!!  Quite opposite, I believe Mickey is the right man to be leading Tyrone.  My concern was more in relation to the starred game process and the club footballing calendar that was effected by the drop outs from the county last season and thus some clubs benefiting by being fixed against other clubs with county men.  Would Owen Roes be playing Div3 football if Cathal McShane was available, (who knows)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 26, 2016, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 26, 2016, 01:56:17 PM
Me Questioning the panel size should not be taken as an anti Harte agenda!!  Quite opposite, I believe Mickey is the right man to be leading Tyrone.  My concern was more in relation to the starred game process and the club footballing calendar that was effected by the drop outs from the county last season and thus some clubs benefiting by being fixed against other clubs with county men.  Would Owen Roes be playing Div3 football if Cathal McShane was available, (who knows)

Well said TyroneGAA too many hyper sensitive Harte believers on here!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2016, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 26, 2016, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2016, 01:29:21 PM
I make it 34 we had on the squad last year including Sean Fox.

McBride and Hughes dropped out and we added 7 new players, 1 of whom has been cut along with Quinn.

That makes it 37.

McNabb, Joe McMahon and Niall McKenna are currently on the treatment table with medium to long term injuries.

Lee Brennan, McShane, Mulgrew and Fox will probably be off with the U21s shortly. There's lads who will be pulled away with Sigerson commitments as well over the next month or so.

It's not an excessive number to have involved at this time of year but the usual faces are still out here looking to peddle their agenda against Harte, very sad and tiresome.

Agreed. Can't please everyone. Even noticed that during the game on Saturday Kyle Coney was posting on twitter and seemed to be giving out that Harte had the audacity to make a few substitutions when Tyrone were getting beat at half time...

Also I don't think Sean Fox is actually part of the panel at the moment, could be wrong though.

Probably not at the minute as he's been with UUJ but would expect him to join up after the U21s finish up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2016, 02:14:49 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 26, 2016, 01:56:17 PM
Me Questioning the panel size should not be taken as an anti Harte agenda!!  Quite opposite, I believe Mickey is the right man to be leading Tyrone.  My concern was more in relation to the starred game process and the club footballing calendar that was effected by the drop outs from the county last season and thus some clubs benefiting by being fixed against other clubs with county men.  Would Owen Roes be playing Div3 football if Cathal McShane was available, (who knows)

I'd imagine this is an issue far from unique to Tyrone and in likelihood exists in every county. Probably arises more as an issue with Tyrone as the club football in Tyrone is extremely competitive with not a great deal between the teams in terms of quality.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 26, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
Often wondered what way the whole panel thing works. Say he carries 37 for the year and he can only name 26 players.

Am I right in thinking that he lets everyone tog out and lists the subs in alpha order?

So does that mean that of the 37 togged out (just using this number as example) 11 of them literally can't be put on the field of play?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2016, 02:44:41 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 26, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
Often wondered what way the whole panel thing works. Say he carries 37 for the year and he can only name 26 players.

Am I right in thinking that he lets everyone tog out and lists the subs in alpha order?

So does that mean that of the 37 togged out (just using this number as example) 11 of them literally can't be put on the field of play?

Think it is limited to 26, he chooses his 26 first then assigns the bench numbers alphabetically.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 26, 2016, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2016, 02:44:41 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 26, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
Often wondered what way the whole panel thing works. Say he carries 37 for the year and he can only name 26 players.

Am I right in thinking that he lets everyone tog out and lists the subs in alpha order?

So does that mean that of the 37 togged out (just using this number as example) 11 of them literally can't be put on the field of play?

Think it is limited to 26, he chooses his 26 first then assigns the bench numbers alphabetically.

So you could be on the 26 names in the programme but be able to come on to play?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 26, 2016, 03:03:51 PM
How stupid are you WT4E??
Hes hardly going to name someone in the 26 he can't use!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 26, 2016, 03:06:47 PM
I'm nearly certain that when I was at games last year there where players used not listed in the programme 26 which would indicate to me that there was at least one person on the programme 26 unable to play?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 26, 2016, 03:11:52 PM
WT4E is almost correct I think if memory serves me right in what he is trying to say.

Was this not one of the issues that led to some sort of player walk out last year in the last NFL game v Kerry. Some lads were named in the supposed '26' but big Joe got on first and then Dermy Carlin got on despite the fact that they were NOT numbered 1-26. Maybe I am wrong but fairly sure on that. In this case the lads in the 26 were not aware that they were not able to be used which meant Harte has amended the 26 he put on the team sheet as to the one given to the programme.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 26, 2016, 03:18:19 PM
Well at least he's corrected the issue - I always thought it was a remedy for disaster when you had players togged out believing they had a chance of coming on and possibly finding out that there was no chance - You would feel like a bit of a mug!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 26, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
I think the named 26 only being able to tog out/play only applies for Championship games and for the league he listed the subs in alphabetical order but anyone could play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 26, 2016, 04:07:44 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 26, 2016, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2016, 01:29:21 PM
I make it 34 we had on the squad last year including Sean Fox.

McBride and Hughes dropped out and we added 7 new players, 1 of whom has been cut along with Quinn.

That makes it 37.

McNabb, Joe McMahon and Niall McKenna are currently on the treatment table with medium to long term injuries.

Lee Brennan, McShane, Mulgrew and Fox will probably be off with the U21s shortly. There's lads who will be pulled away with Sigerson commitments as well over the next month or so.

It's not an excessive number to have involved at this time of year but the usual faces are still out here looking to peddle their agenda against Harte, very sad and tiresome.

Agreed. Can't please everyone. Even noticed that during the game on Saturday Kyle Coney was posting on twitter and seemed to be giving out that Harte had the audacity to make a few substitutions when Tyrone were getting beat at half time...

Also I don't think Sean Fox is actually part of the panel at the moment, could be wrong though.


Sean Fox was togged out and kicking about before the match Saturday night.

Did a new rule not come into playing saying you could only use from the 26 as harte was playing boys who weren't named in the supposed match day squad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 26, 2016, 05:08:29 PM
Think that's something that needs sorted. You are either in the squad and can't play starred games are you aren't. Thinking fox and Petey Hughes last year

Big thanks also to Harry og and big Quinn, unlucky not to make the cut lads but keep at it, u may well be needed later in the year or indeed next year.

Thinks are building up nicely, we have done no training worth talking about and still unbeaten, new players blooded and the famous "never say die" attitude is alive and kicking. Roll on Cavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on January 26, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 26, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
I think the named 26 only being able to tog out/play only applies for Championship games and for the league he listed the subs in alphabetical order but anyone could play.

Micky names the sub goalie at 16 and then lists everyone else in alphabetical order up to 34 or however many is there.  Then on the team sheet they hand to the ref he names the additional 10 players who can play, number 28 and 31 can be put on it and 22 and 18 not for example.  As far as the players are concerned they are not told if they are on the 10 or not so they are none the wiser.  Only the management and the county secretary know.  Sometimes they get confused as at a coke park game a few years ago I think Penrose  (I could be wrong!) Was told at half time he was coming on only for Dominic to tell Micky he wasn't on  the 26
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 27, 2016, 01:19:30 AM
Quote from: PMG1 on January 26, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 26, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
I think the named 26 only being able to tog out/play only applies for Championship games and for the league he listed the subs in alphabetical order but anyone could play.

Micky names the sub goalie at 16 and then lists everyone else in alphabetical order up to 34 or however many is there.  Then on the team sheet they hand to the ref he names the additional 10 players who can play, number 28 and 31 can be put on it and 22 and 18 not for example.  As far as the players are concerned they are not told if they are on the 10 or not so they are none the wiser.  Only the management and the county secretary know.  Sometimes they get confused as at a coke park game a few years ago I think Penrose  (I could be wrong!) Was told at half time he was coming on only for Dominic to tell Micky he wasn't on  the 26

I am not sure that's right. The 26 man squad is named on Thursday night and given to the media, and to Croke Park on Friday morning.

If a player outside of that 26 is used you forfeit the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 27, 2016, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 27, 2016, 01:19:30 AM
Quote from: PMG1 on January 26, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 26, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
I think the named 26 only being able to tog out/play only applies for Championship games and for the league he listed the subs in alphabetical order but anyone could play.

Micky names the sub goalie at 16 and then lists everyone else in alphabetical order up to 34 or however many is there.  Then on the team sheet they hand to the ref he names the additional 10 players who can play, number 28 and 31 can be put on it and 22 and 18 not for example.  As far as the players are concerned they are not told if they are on the 10 or not so they are none the wiser.  Only the management and the county secretary know.  Sometimes they get confused as at a coke park game a few years ago I think Penrose  (I could be wrong!) Was told at half time he was coming on only for Dominic to tell Micky he wasn't on  the 26

I am not sure that's right. The 26 man squad is named on Thursday night and given to the media, and to Croke Park on Friday morning.

If a player outside of that 26 is used you forfeit the game.

Yes that's correct, the rule changed this year as Mickey and few others weren't sticking to the team named
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 28, 2016, 11:46:42 AM
Any predictions for this weeks team?

Morgan
McCrory McNamee McCarron
K McGeary Brennan Sludden
Donnelly Cavanagh
Donnelly Harte Meyler
McCurry McAliskey Brennan

Bradley or S Cav instead of Harte is still unfit?
Hampsey and HPMcGeary left out too  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 28, 2016, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 28, 2016, 11:46:42 AM
Any predictions for this weeks team?

Morgan
McCrory McNamee McCarron
K McGeary Brennan Sludden
Donnelly Cavanagh
Donnelly Harte Meyler
McCurry McAliskey Brennan

Bradley or S Cav instead of Harte is still unfit?
Hampsey and HPMcGeary left out too  :-\ :-\

Is McCarron or Brennan suspended? Will Richy Donnelly, Sean Cav, Harte and Bradley be fit? If everyone's available I'd go with

Morgan
McCrory McNamee McCarron
T McCann Justy R Brennan
R Donnelly C Cav
M Donnelly Harte Meyler
McCurry S Cav McAliskey

Definitely a few spots up for grabs and would be hard to leave out the two McGearys, Sludden, Bradley and L Brennan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 28, 2016, 01:14:20 PM
IT is not an easy team to predict. I will be interested to see if MH will keep making changes through the league to give everyone more opportunities or try to get a settled team early.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 28, 2016, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 28, 2016, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 28, 2016, 11:46:42 AM
Any predictions for this weeks team?

Morgan
McCrory McNamee McCarron
K McGeary Brennan Sludden
Donnelly Cavanagh
Donnelly Harte Meyler
McCurry McAliskey Brennan

Bradley or S Cav instead of Harte is still unfit?
Hampsey and HPMcGeary left out too  :-\ :-\

Is McCarron or Brennan suspended? Will Richy Donnelly, Sean Cav, Harte and Bradley be fit? If everyone's available I'd go with

Morgan
McCrory McNamee McCarron
T McCann Justy R Brennan
R Donnelly C Cav
M Donnelly Harte Meyler
McCurry S Cav McAliskey

Definitely a few spots up for grabs and would be hard to leave out the two McGearys, Sludden, Bradley and L Brennan.

I have to say I would be disappointed if this is similar to the team named. All quality players and fairly close to our best 15 but we know what some of these lads can do in the NFL...I think the mid season 2015 new lads and the 2016 new recruits who have played so well to date in 2016 deserve some sort of reward to see that their hard work and effort can at least pay off. In no way am I saying that they all need to start but if 1 or 2 of them got a chance it would show the rest of them that they have a chance plus it would keep the more seasoned men on their toes.

Not a pile of point in trying new lads out for 5 games in a row and then going back to tried and tested in first NFL game - this is where we find out if the new lads have it or not. Give them a chance and then we will see !!

But then who am I to try and tell the great MH what to do...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 28, 2016, 02:54:55 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 28, 2016, 02:34:42 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 28, 2016, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 28, 2016, 11:46:42 AM
Any predictions for this weeks team?

Morgan
McCrory McNamee McCarron
K McGeary Brennan Sludden
Donnelly Cavanagh
Donnelly Harte Meyler
McCurry McAliskey Brennan

Bradley or S Cav instead of Harte is still unfit?
Hampsey and HPMcGeary left out too  :-\ :-\

Is McCarron or Brennan suspended? Will Richy Donnelly, Sean Cav, Harte and Bradley be fit? If everyone's available I'd go with

Morgan
McCrory McNamee McCarron
T McCann Justy R Brennan
R Donnelly C Cav
M Donnelly Harte Meyler
McCurry S Cav McAliskey

Definitely a few spots up for grabs and would be hard to leave out the two McGearys, Sludden, Bradley and L Brennan.

I have to say I would be disappointed if this is similar to the team named. All quality players and fairly close to our best 15 but we know what some of these lads can do in the NFL...I think the mid season 2015 new lads and the 2016 new recruits who have played so well to date in 2016 deserve some sort of reward to see that their hard work and effort can at least pay off. In no way am I saying that they all need to start but if 1 or 2 of them got a chance it would show the rest of them that they have a chance plus it would keep the more seasoned men on their toes.

Not a pile of point in trying new lads out for 5 games in a row and then going back to tried and tested in first NFL game - this is where we find out if the new lads have it or not. Give them a chance and then we will see !!

But then who am I to try and tell the great MH what to do...

I see your point Mikhailov, but at the same time people are always emphasizing the importance of being in Division 1 and playing against the top teams so I think Harte will be playing close to his strongest available team for the first few games to make sure we get a good start.

Although I'd be fairly certain that not all of the below mentioned guys will have recovered from injury so a few more of the younger lads could get a start at the weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on January 28, 2016, 03:25:57 PM
Had a go at naming a 1st choice XV for the NFL below assuming no injuries or suspensions (apart from Ronan McNabb who is more long term injured) – lads in brackets would be back-up options in the 26 man squad

In practice you'd be hoping some of the younger lads get plenty of chances to play e.g. McGeary or Hampsey this weekend if McCarron is suspended or McShane for Sean or Bradley if they're not fit. There's a bit of quality & depth in that squad, would be great to get another midfielder to start alongside Colm & so free up Mattie

And if McGeary or Hampsey were anyway decent they'd move ahead of McCrory for 1st choice corner-back

Morgan (Fox)

McCarron (K McGeary)
McNamee
McCrory (Hampsey)

R Brennan (Sludden)
Justin McMahon (Joe McMahon)
Harte (T McCann)

R Donnelly (C McCann)
C Cavanagh (McNulty)

M Donnelly (HP McGeary)
Bradley
Meyler (McShane)

McCurry (L Brennan)
S Cavanagh
McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 28, 2016, 03:59:38 PM
Quote from: sambostar on January 28, 2016, 03:25:57 PM
Had a go at naming a 1st choice XV for the NFL below assuming no injuries or suspensions (apart from Ronan McNabb who is more long term injured) – lads in brackets would be back-up options in the 26 man squad

In practice you'd be hoping some of the younger lads get plenty of chances to play e.g. McGeary or Hampsey this weekend if McCarron is suspended or McShane for Sean or Bradley if they're not fit. There's a bit of quality & depth in that squad, would be great to get another midfielder to start alongside Colm & so free up Mattie

And if McGeary or Hampsey were anyway decent they'd move ahead of McCrory for 1st choice corner-back

Morgan (Fox)

McCarron (K McGeary)
McNamee
McCrory (Hampsey)

R Brennan (Sludden)
Justin McMahon (Joe McMahon)
Harte (T McCann)

R Donnelly (C McCann)
C Cavanagh (McNulty)

M Donnelly (HP McGeary)
Bradley
Meyler (McShane)

McCurry (L Brennan)
S Cavanagh
McAliskey


You have HP and Kieran mc geery mixed up there. I would have Richie Donnelly ahead of Conal mc cann
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 04:12:43 PM
1. Niall Morgan

2. Barry Tierney
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Hugh Pat McGeary

5. Niall Sludden
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte

8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Richie Donnelly

10. Conor Meyler
11. Matty Donnelly
12. Mark Bradley

13. Darren McCurry
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Lee Brennan

Thats the 15 I would like to see - Just wondeing where is McNabb?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 28, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Has Tierney not got enough toastings at this stage? He isn't a corner back anyway. Hampsey is a much better option IMO
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 28, 2016, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 04:12:43 PM
1. Niall Morgan

2. Barry Tierney
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Hugh Pat McGeary

5. Niall Sludden
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte

8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Richie Donnelly

10. Conor Meyler
11. Matty Donnelly
12. Mark Bradley

13. Darren McCurry
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Lee Brennan

Thats the 15 I would like to see - Just wondeing where is McNabb?
McNabb done his cruciate last year just before Dromore played Omagh in the championship. Probably wont be available until July August time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2016, 05:25:24 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 28, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Has Tierney not got enough toastings at this stage? He isn't a corner back anyway. Hampsey is a much better option IMO

I think Tierney is a good player but as you said he's not a corner back.

I doubt we'll be seeing McNabb back this year to be honest, even if he regains fitness, it will be late in the year and he'll has missed out on the whole pre-season. Tough on the lad as he's been blighted by injury problems since coming out of minor and had a fantastic year in 2015.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on January 28, 2016, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: sambostar on January 28, 2016, 03:25:57 PM
Had a go at naming a 1st choice XV for the NFL below assuming no injuries or suspensions (apart from Ronan McNabb who is more long term injured) – lads in brackets would be back-up options in the 26 man squad

In practice you'd be hoping some of the younger lads get plenty of chances to play e.g. McGeary or Hampsey this weekend if McCarron is suspended or McShane for Sean or Bradley if they're not fit. There's a bit of quality & depth in that squad, would be great to get another midfielder to start alongside Colm & so free up Mattie

And if McGeary or Hampsey were anyway decent from Errigal they'd move ahead of McCrory for 1st choice corner-back

Morgan (Fox)

McCarron (K McGeary)
McNamee
McCrory (Hampsey)

R Brennan (Sludden)
Justin McMahon (Joe McMahon)
Harte (T McCann)

R Donnelly (C McCann)
C Cavanagh (McNulty)

M Donnelly (HP McGeary)
Bradley
Meyler (McShane)

McCurry (L Brennan)
S Cavanagh
McAliskey

;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 28, 2016, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: sambostar on January 28, 2016, 03:25:57 PM
Had a go at naming a 1st choice XV for the NFL below assuming no injuries or suspensions (apart from Ronan McNabb who is more long term injured) – lads in brackets would be back-up options in the 26 man squad

In practice you'd be hoping some of the younger lads get plenty of chances to play e.g. McGeary or Hampsey this weekend if McCarron is suspended or McShane for Sean or Bradley if they're not fit. There's a bit of quality & depth in that squad, would be great to get another midfielder to start alongside Colm & so free up Mattie

And if McGeary or Hampsey were anyway decent they'd move ahead of McCrory for 1st choice corner-back

Morgan (Fox )

McCarron (K McGeary)
McNamee
McCrory (Hampsey)

R Brennan (Sludden)
Justin McMahon (Joe McMahon)
Harte (T McCann)

R Donnelly (C McCann)
C Cavanagh (McNulty)

M Donnelly (HP McGeary)
Bradley
Meyler (McShane)

McCurry (L Brennan)
S Cavanagh
McAliskey

I think you might be missing IMO the best keeper we actually have M O'Neill. Better shot stopper, more confident in the Air, Solid kick outs and therefore no need to depend on Morgan's dreadful free kicks #1OutOf5 #NeverWhenItMatters
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 28, 2016, 09:51:28 PM
Looks like a few lads getting the opportunity to stake a claim.
The 2 Brennans, Sludden, McShane and Meyler were nowhere near the team this time last year. Good to see ONeill back on the team. Keeping a bit if competition there also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 28, 2016, 09:53:16 PM
Did anyone get more than 6 of the team right?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 29, 2016, 12:09:26 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 28, 2016, 09:53:16 PM
Did anyone get more than 6 of the team right?

I was way off with my selection, never easy second guessing Mickey  (although to befair I was going on the basis everyone was available and he'd go with his strongest team).

Good to see Ronan O'Neill get a chance, would be delighted to see him bang 1-4 from play and really stake a claim!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on January 29, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
If Aidan McCrory wasnt an Errigal man would he be on the Tyrone team? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 29, 2016, 04:57:23 PM
Are u askin  or telling us golden yrs. he gives it his all and that is good enough for me. He's better than johnny Monroe at the minute so he is
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 29, 2016, 10:35:10 PM
Just seen the Cavan team and it is a strong enough outfit and with conditions expected to get bad over next 24/36 hours then they will be a leveller and will suit the men in blue.

This maybe a lot tighter than people expect but I think we scrape him by 2 points - hopefully much more but a tight dogged affair wouldn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 30, 2016, 12:11:48 AM
I see the U21s are out tomorrow too in Augher. I wonder will some of the named U21s be used there instead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on January 30, 2016, 02:57:59 PM
That is a decent team named, lots of pace and mobility, confidence is high to after the last month, tho Cavan have named a strong team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on January 30, 2016, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 29, 2016, 04:57:23 PM
Are u askin  or telling us golden yrs. he gives it his all and that is good enough for me. He's better than johnny Monroe at the minute so he is
That was nt he question Red zone. McCRory is a good player (johnny better in my eyes) but in the role he plays for Tyrone I think we could get more scores out of a better footballer. He hasn't marked anyone in 2 years which is what he is good at. When jonnys injury clears you will see his potential hopefully. He is a complete baller
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 31, 2016, 08:13:28 AM
Yes Jonny is a fine prospect. I've only seen him play 5 times or so but I've seen aidy play 40 times. He wont win any all stars but u need boys like him about. Jonny certainly has the pedigree in him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 31, 2016, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 29, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
If Aidan McCrory wasnt an Errigal man would he be on the Tyrone team?
hes shite
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 31, 2016, 10:51:30 AM
Never seen worse
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 31, 2016, 11:21:16 AM
Aidan McCrory is well worth his place on the Tyrone team, all of this hate and this "if he wasnt from Errigal" is completely uncalled for.
Is his place secure? Absolutely not, probably the most as risk, but until Munroe, Hampsey, HP McGeary, Brennan etc. show they can perform consistently and against bigger teams on the big days (all well and good playing well McKenna cup or against weaker teams in Division 2) McCrory has done enough to warrant keeping his place in the 15.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 31, 2016, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on January 31, 2016, 11:21:16 AM
Aidan McCrory is well worth his place on the Tyrone team, all of this hate and this "if he wasnt from Errigal" is completely uncalled for.
Is his place secure? Absolutely not, probably the most as risk, but until Munroe, Hampsey, HP McGeary, Brennan etc. show they can perform consistently and against bigger teams on the big days (all well and good playing well McKenna cup or against weaker teams in Division 2) McCrory has done enough to warrant keeping his place in the 15.

+1

He's been a steady performer for us over the past two years and I think he's definitely improved in that time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 31, 2016, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 29, 2016, 10:35:10 PM
Just seen the Cavan team and it is a strong enough outfit and with conditions expected to get bad over next 24/36 hours then they will be a leveller and will suit the men in blue.

This maybe a lot tighter than people expect but I think we scrape him by 2 points - hopefully much more but a tight dogged affair wouldn't surprise me at all.

:) :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 31, 2016, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 31, 2016, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 29, 2016, 10:35:10 PM
Just seen the Cavan team and it is a strong enough outfit and with conditions expected to get bad over next 24/36 hours then they will be a leveller and will suit the men in blue.

This maybe a lot tighter than people expect but I think we scrape him by 2 points - hopefully much more but a tight dogged affair wouldn't surprise me at all.

:) :)

Get this man a column in the Irish news! Well called sir.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 01, 2016, 10:46:52 AM
Have to agree with Roddy on this whilst he has good attributes the role he plays for Tyrone seems unusual - I have never seen an inter county defender that seems to always pop up at the opposing goal only for him look like a rabbit caught in the headlights in the end up.

HP McGeary looks like a solid defender and a lad that can finish so in my view if your not going to play mccrory totally in defense son't play him at all.

Out of interest how did he perform yesterday?

BTW I'm not questioning his club or his commitment to the County.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on February 01, 2016, 11:19:13 AM
There's always knobs crying favouritism, whether that be to do with their family or club. In recent years Mark, Davy and Peter Harte were labelled with this at different points in their careers. DD Mulgrew seems to now be getting it as horses nephew. Ciaran McGinley had it for a while and now McCrory is getting it as he's from Mickeys home club. Sensible posters don't take much heed of it but there's a collection of those who always will have some kind of agenda and will use a favouritism narrative and a fall guy to have a go at Harte and his back room team.

However, I hope HP McGeary, Hampsey and Munroe all get a chance in the coming weeks.

Lastly, can our free takers please practice like fcuk, we need this problem addressed if provincial and AI honours are to be won.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on February 01, 2016, 03:15:50 PM
If the cap fits with regards to favoritism.  To me McCrory is an ordinary player.  When he was even called into the county panel i was amazed.  He wouldnt even have made the errigal defense of the teams of the 90s imo.  He lacks the basic skill of kicking the ball which was very evident in last years all ireland semi.  He missed 2 easy opportunities which if he had of scored would could have helped tyrone to victory.  Ordinary players who give their all are still not good enough if we have any aspirations of winning ulster never mind an all ireland.  There is better players out there who if given half the chance of mccrory would prove this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on February 01, 2016, 03:49:44 PM
HP McGeary is a much better option than McCrory. He is very physically strong, never stops running and can take a point into the bargain.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on February 01, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on February 01, 2016, 03:49:44 PM
HP McGeary is a much better option than McCrory. He is very physically strong, never stops running and can take a point into the bargain.

You would like to think all county players can kick a point from easy opportunities.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on February 01, 2016, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on February 01, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on February 01, 2016, 03:49:44 PM
HP McGeary is a much better option than McCrory. He is very physically strong, never stops running and can take a point into the bargain.

You would like to think all county players can kick a point from easy opportunities.

You would aye, but your the man that said McCrory cant even kick a ball. you'd like to think all county players could kick a ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on February 01, 2016, 04:44:05 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on February 01, 2016, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on February 01, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on February 01, 2016, 03:49:44 PM
HP McGeary is a much better option than McCrory. He is very physically strong, never stops running and can take a point into the bargain.

You would like to think all county players can kick a point from easy opportunities.

You would aye, but your the man that said McCrory cant even kick a ball. you'd like to think all county players could kick a ball.

I was agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gonzalo15 on February 02, 2016, 01:40:42 PM
Am I the only one to think Mcshane shouldn't be anywhere near a county team? So stupid on the ball and in possession, always makes poor decisions and generally hasn't a clue imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 02, 2016, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: Gonzalo15 on February 02, 2016, 01:40:42 PM
Am I the only one to think Mcshane shouldn't be anywhere near a county team? So stupid on the ball and in possession, always makes poor decisions and generally hasn't a clue imo

Wise up, fantastic athlete, both feet and one of the brightest talents we have had. He has performed at minor, under 21 and although having a bad game mc kenna cup final came back on and showed a set to score a couple of great ponts
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gonzalo15 on February 02, 2016, 01:54:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 02, 2016, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: Gonzalo15 on February 02, 2016, 01:40:42 PM
Am I the only one to think Mcshane shouldn't be anywhere near a county team? So stupid on the ball and in possession, always makes poor decisions and generally hasn't a clue imo

Wise up, fantastic athlete, both feet and one of the brightest talents we have had. He has performed at minor, under 21 and although having a bad game mc kenna cup final came back on and showed a set to score a couple of great ponts


He's an athlete yes, and is strong, the same as so many footballers these day- doesn't make him good. His shot to score ratio is pathetic, he shoots from anywhere and everywhere. Terrible decision maker and continually so wasteful
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 02, 2016, 02:00:58 PM
What are you judging McShane on? His senior performances? He's still under 21 and has only made a handful of appearances so would be a bit harsh to give criticism based on that. He had a great year for the under 21s last year. Also for a player just starting out he manages to get an awful lot of ball in games. His decision making needs worked on but that should hopefully improve with time. Its a big step up from junior club football which takes time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 02, 2016, 05:23:45 PM
I was disappointed with McShane in the McKenna cup final when I was watching it (admittedly not very closely) but was surprised to see he scored 3 points in the match report.

I think that's a good sign if he looks poor and still weighs in with 3 points the signs are positive!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 02, 2016, 05:24:47 PM
gonzala you are the only one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2016, 06:59:34 PM
I agree that McShane does far too many stupid things at the minute. He's young and will probably learn but at the moment I would have him a bit down the way when it comes to starting options for us.

I see Rory Brennan got a straight red for UUJ today, that's his second straight red in his last three games - he needs to keep a lid on things. I wouldn't really have associated this kind of stuff with him having seen him play previously.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on February 02, 2016, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2016, 06:59:34 PM
I agree that McShane does far too many stupid things at the minute. He's young and will probably learn but at the moment I would have him a bit down the way when it comes to starting options for us.

I see Rory Brennan got a straight red for UUJ today, that's his second straight red in his last three games - he needs to keep a lid on things. I wouldn't really have associated this kind of stuff with him having seen him play previously.
Where did you see this? is there a match report somewhere ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2016, 10:02:43 PM
http://www.the42.ie/jordanstown-sigerson-cup-2-2581099-Feb2016/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tv pundit on February 03, 2016, 12:55:29 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2016, 10:02:43 PM
http://www.the42.ie/jordanstown-sigerson-cup-2-2581099-Feb2016/
Thanks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2016, 07:05:24 PM
Anyone know if that's Omagh's Ronan O'neill that came on for St. Marys yesterday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gonzalo15 on February 03, 2016, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2016, 07:05:24 PM
Anyone know if that's Omagh's Ronan O'neill that came on for St. Marys yesterday?

Tis
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on February 03, 2016, 11:40:12 PM
Is he doing a post grad at St Mary's or how did he end up there? Tally really wants that sigerson!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 04, 2016, 12:00:27 AM
Quote from: TF15 on February 03, 2016, 11:40:12 PM
Is he doing a post grad at St Mary's or how did he end up there? Tally really wants that sigerson!!

He's only 22. He's doing Sports teaching since he left school. He was in the CBS for placement year in 2014.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 04, 2016, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 04, 2016, 12:00:27 AM
Quote from: TF15 on February 03, 2016, 11:40:12 PM
Is he doing a post grad at St Mary's or how did he end up there? Tally really wants that sigerson!!

He's only 22. He's doing Sports teaching since he left school. He was in the CBS for placement year in 2014.


He is not 22 as he was a minor in 2010, he is about 24 and he wasn't studying in St marys until recently as there was an issue making him eligible to play. Some 1 year course probably. St marys had their game delayed a week to get him registered.

What's "Sports Teaching" do you mean PE.

What kind of fella comes on here a belittles a 20 year lad, who comes across well, holds himself well, seems dedicated to cause and has not looked out of place in the handful of county senior games he has played? I think come the summer mc shane could have an important part to play yet. some bad decisions yes but at least he is showing no fear
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gonzalo15 on February 05, 2016, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 04, 2016, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 04, 2016, 12:00:27 AM
Quote from: TF15 on February 03, 2016, 11:40:12 PM
Is he doing a post grad at St Mary's or how did he end up there? Tally really wants that sigerson!!

He's only 22. He's doing Sports teaching since he left school. He was in the CBS for placement year in 2014.


He is not 22 as he was a minor in 2010, he is about 24 and he wasn't studying in St marys until recently as there was an issue making him eligible to play. Some 1 year course probably. St marys had their game delayed a week to get him registered.

What's "Sports Teaching" do you mean PE.

What kind of fella comes on here a belittles a 20 year lad, who comes across well, holds himself well, seems dedicated to cause and has not looked out of place in the handful of county senior games he has played? I think come the summer mc shane could have an important part to play yet. some bad decisions yes but at least he is showing no fear

Ah right, I didn't realise you weren't allowed to write opinions on this. Apologies Mrs. McShane
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on February 05, 2016, 12:47:50 PM
Baffles me how Hampsey or HPMcGeary cannot get a start ahead of McCrory.....
I take it Richie Donnelly is injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 05, 2016, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: driveherin on February 05, 2016, 12:47:50 PM
Baffles me how Hampsey or HPMcGeary cannot get a start ahead of McCrory.....
I take it Richie Donnelly is injured?

Been thinking the same regarding McCrory.  As for McShane, he looks very promising and is doing well considering his age and experience.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 05, 2016, 05:02:07 PM
Lads,

Don't have a good feeling about this weekend. Galway reportedly going well, Kevin Walsh is no dozer and Salthill is a nightmare of a pitch to play on with a hurricane always blowing towards the coast end therefore a totally different game in each half in terms of style of play, personnel etc.

The key will be getting the wind in the 1st half, getting a lead and holding onto it. Wouldn't fancy chasing a win in poor conditions, would be easier to hold onto whatever you got.

Galway by 4+
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 06, 2016, 12:29:08 AM
I see brollys on twitter now having a pop at McCann over the Rodgers incident, there wasn't much talk about this after the game if I remember correctly but it's been slowly gaining momentum ever since. Does anyone on here seriously believe McCann went in to do him? Realistically the video doing the rounds is from quite far back so nobody can be sure but it looks to me that McCann has come steaming in trying to get to the break and as it came in his direction he has jumped in to catch the ball and tried to kind of spin around at the same time so that he could roll away with the ball. Unfortunately he missed the ball and crashed into Rodgers.

It really is a serious statement to make (especially for someone in Brollys position) to come out and say McCann has deliberately hurt him whenever if you watch the video rationally I don't know how you could be sure that that is the case. Suppose we should expet nothing less from Brolly. Just wondering if we think the Derry management's comments on the issue are a bit of mind games leading up to the championship or does anyone think McCann deserves the flak?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2016, 07:47:11 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 06, 2016, 12:29:08 AM
I see brollys on twitter now having a pop at McCann over the Rodgers incident, there wasn't much talk about this after the game if I remember correctly but it's been slowly gaining momentum ever since. Does anyone on here seriously believe McCann went in to do him? Realistically the video doing the rounds is from quite far back so nobody can be sure but it looks to me that McCann has come steaming in trying to get to the break and as it came in his direction he has jumped in to catch the ball and tried to kind of spin around at the same time so that he could roll away with the ball. Unfortunately he missed the ball and crashed into Rodgers.

It really is a serious statement to make (especially for someone in Brollys position) to come out and say McCann has deliberately hurt him whenever if you watch the video rationally I don't know how you could be sure that that is the case. Suppose we should expet nothing less from Brolly. Just wondering if we think the Derry management's comments on the issue are a bit of mind games leading up to the championship or does anyone think McCann deserves the flak?

What I will say is that it doesn't look good.

But it's impossible to tell either way whether it was intentional or accidental. The only one who really knows whether he meant it or not is McCann and there is definitely an agenda involved in trying to stoke the flame of last year with this. Rogers is a brilliant young player and I hope he makes a full recovery and the injury doesn't have any impact on him.

They will probably say we're paranoid but compare the reaction to the McCann challenge, a challenge in an non-televised pre-season tournament game to Johnny Cooper's kung fu kick of Diarmuid O'Connor last year which could easily have ended his career. There's no way McCann's is even in the same ball park as that even if he meant it or not, which isn't apparent. Cooper's is clear as day that he meant to do the Mayo lad and was swiftly brushed under the carpet in one of the biggest televised games of the year.

On Brolly, he's been trying very hard and quite crudely over the past three years to get rattles out of the Tyrone camp, he's had quite a number of disgusting personal attacks on Harte in particular. What really gets to Brolly though is that Harte never takes the bait and laughs off the fact that anyone should take Brolly seriously on these matters.

You get the feeling that whatever we achieve it will be devalued anyway so hopefully that gives the players and management the right motivation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 06, 2016, 08:31:17 AM
Its classic Brolly though. His opinion is fact and that's it. He'll get a couple of newspaper columns out of it now in the next few weeks and he'll be happy enough.

I have watched the video numerous times and I think whilst clumsy McCann was going for the ball and for brolly to say it was premeditated is typical of the man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on February 06, 2016, 09:23:23 AM
I think McCann was trying to leave one on him with a hit but I doubt he wanted to do him like that with such a bad injury. By the video it's more of a shoulder to hit into him than a flying elbow directed to bust him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 06, 2016, 10:12:04 AM
I was asking on the other thread but does McCannhave form for that sort of thing?
I wasn't aware he was that kind of player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on February 06, 2016, 02:29:43 PM
The game was streamed live on Armagh TV and their camera gives a much wider angle and would show the entirity of McCanns run in, it was also from the opposite sideline. Another look at that would help. It doesn't look good on the 10 second clip uploaded to You Tube, the question is would it have been put it up if it was categorically accidental? If not, then did they put it up to add fuel to the fire?

Brolly wading in again, as an RTE pundit he lacks impartiality.
Expect more brown noise from him in the coming weeks and months.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on February 08, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Derry trying to be cunning here.

Its funny that this was a Derry video that was released. They didnt publish any rough Derry tackles in the game nor the incident that Derry official (Barton) came rushing in to get involved in an altercation between players. Very selective and calculated by the Derry side.

I for one believe there was certainly no malice in what Mc Cann did. But Barton trying to get Derry united here and he is using Tyrone as the common enemy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 08, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 08, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Derry trying to be cunning here.

Its funny that this was a Derry video that was released. They didnt publish any rough Derry tackles in the game nor the incident that Derry official (Barton) came rushing in to get involved in an altercation between players. Very selective and calculated by the Derry side.

I for one believe there was certainly no malice in what Mc Cann did. But Barton trying to get Derry united here and he is using Tyrone as the common enemy.
Quote from: referee on February 06, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
Emmett fat boy Mc Guckin 1st  about something that was said from  McCarron then Barton , he was too sore to talk about the rogers incident, then a week later he gives out not for the 1st time about Tyrones tactics and now we have that p***k from Dungiven/ St Brigids ranting, it's all about getting the pressure put on the officals before Championship in Celtic Park ,but we all know by now everything that happens is tyrones fault

Have to agree with most of that.

The BBC interview after the Cavan game was the most interesting for me. Over 7 minutes long with 2 minutes devoted to the game that day and the rest skillfully diverted on to the one incident the previous week. Missing players was the topic used to link discussion about the McCann/Rogers incident. I wouldn't be surprised if the journalist interviewing Damien was from Derry as well. Although to be fair that's all they're interested in sometimes ie controversy. There does seem to be a concerted effort from the Derry camp to complain about Tyrone after these games through all media sources. Interesting tactic from them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 09, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
I think the interviewer is Thomas Niblock - A magherafelt man whose first sport would be GAA!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on February 09, 2016, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 08, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 08, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Derry trying to be cunning here.

Its funny that this was a Derry video that was released. They didnt publish any rough Derry tackles in the game nor the incident that Derry official (Barton) came rushing in to get involved in an altercation between players. Very selective and calculated by the Derry side.

I for one believe there was certainly no malice in what Mc Cann did. But Barton trying to get Derry united here and he is using Tyrone as the common enemy.
Quote from: referee on February 06, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
Emmett fat boy Mc Guckin 1st  about something that was said from  McCarron then Barton , he was too sore to talk about the rogers incident, then a week later he gives out not for the 1st time about Tyrones tactics and now we have that p***k from Dungiven/ St Brigids ranting, it's all about getting the pressure put on the officals before Championship in Celtic Park ,but we all know by now everything that happens is tyrones fault

Have to agree with most of that.

The BBC interview after the Cavan game was the most interesting for me. Over 7 minutes long with 2 minutes devoted to the game that day and the rest skillfully diverted on to the one incident the previous week. Missing players was the topic used to link discussion about the McCann/Rogers incident. I wouldn't be surprised if the journalist interviewing Damien was from Derry as well. Although to be fair that's all they're interested in sometimes ie controversy. There does seem to be a concerted effort from the Derry camp to complain about Tyrone after these games through all media sources. Interesting tactic from them.

All that inbreeding is making you boys a wee bit paranoid. I see that p***k mccann was up to his diving antics at the weekend again. He is a disgrace on the football field. All because not one tyrone person had the guts to call out his disgraceful behaviour publicly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 09, 2016, 07:43:16 PM
Ure mate Franko got his knuckles wrapped only last week for abuse of our players and u will be next. Your always trolling the Tyrone thread looking to give foul mouthed abuse Lenny. Time u stayed of it, or else
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on February 09, 2016, 07:57:54 PM
There's no whinger like a Derry whinger!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 09, 2016, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 09, 2016, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 08, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 08, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Derry trying to be cunning here.

Its funny that this was a Derry video that was released. They didnt publish any rough Derry tackles in the game nor the incident that Derry official (Barton) came rushing in to get involved in an altercation between players. Very selective and calculated by the Derry side.

I for one believe there was certainly no malice in what Mc Cann did. But Barton trying to get Derry united here and he is using Tyrone as the common enemy.
Quote from: referee on February 06, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
Emmett fat boy Mc Guckin 1st  about something that was said from  McCarron then Barton , he was too sore to talk about the rogers incident, then a week later he gives out not for the 1st time about Tyrones tactics and now we have that p***k from Dungiven/ St Brigids ranting, it's all about getting the pressure put on the officals before Championship in Celtic Park ,but we all know by now everything that happens is tyrones fault

Have to agree with most of that.

The BBC interview after the Cavan game was the most interesting for me. Over 7 minutes long with 2 minutes devoted to the game that day and the rest skillfully diverted on to the one incident the previous week. Missing players was the topic used to link discussion about the McCann/Rogers incident. I wouldn't be surprised if the journalist interviewing Damien was from Derry as well. Although to be fair that's all they're interested in sometimes ie controversy. There does seem to be a concerted effort from the Derry camp to complain about Tyrone after these games through all media sources. Interesting tactic from them.

All that inbreeding is making you boys a wee bit paranoid. I see that p***k mccann was up to his diving antics at the weekend again. He is a disgrace on the football field. All because not one tyrone person had the guts to call out his disgraceful behaviour publicly.

Are you still banging this drum?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 10, 2016, 09:29:15 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2016, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 09, 2016, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 08, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 08, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Derry trying to be cunning here.

Its funny that this was a Derry video that was released. They didnt publish any rough Derry tackles in the game nor the incident that Derry official (Barton) came rushing in to get involved in an altercation between players. Very selective and calculated by the Derry side.

I for one believe there was certainly no malice in what Mc Cann did. But Barton trying to get Derry united here and he is using Tyrone as the common enemy.
Quote from: referee on February 06, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
Emmett fat boy Mc Guckin 1st  about something that was said from  McCarron then Barton , he was too sore to talk about the rogers incident, then a week later he gives out not for the 1st time about Tyrones tactics and now we have that p***k from Dungiven/ St Brigids ranting, it's all about getting the pressure put on the officals before Championship in Celtic Park ,but we all know by now everything that happens is tyrones fault

Have to agree with most of that.

The BBC interview after the Cavan game was the most interesting for me. Over 7 minutes long with 2 minutes devoted to the game that day and the rest skillfully diverted on to the one incident the previous week. Missing players was the topic used to link discussion about the McCann/Rogers incident. I wouldn't be surprised if the journalist interviewing Damien was from Derry as well. Although to be fair that's all they're interested in sometimes ie controversy. There does seem to be a concerted effort from the Derry camp to complain about Tyrone after these games through all media sources. Interesting tactic from them.

All that inbreeding is making you boys a wee bit paranoid. I see that p***k mccann was up to his diving antics at the weekend again. He is a disgrace on the football field. All because not one tyrone person had the guts to call out his disgraceful behaviour publicly.

Are you still banging this drum?

Have to agree with this - How often do we have to say publically that he was wrong to dive and that Tyrone people were shamed by it.

I still believe that he's tarnished his rep forever BUT he's turning into a damn good player for the county whatever your opinion of him is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 10, 2016, 12:34:15 PM
So many anti Tyrone posters love to come out with silly lines like that because they want to believe it and continue to spread anti Tyrone propaganda.
After the incident last year loads were saying it was an embarrassment and he shouldn't have done it but the proposed suspension was a total joke.
Anyway, we're well used to it now and I suppose Derry are enjoying being in the limelight again for the first time in years so Barton and Co know the more controversy they kick up the more hope they have of beating us come the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 10, 2016, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 09, 2016, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 08, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 08, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Derry trying to be cunning here.

Its funny that this was a Derry video that was released. They didnt publish any rough Derry tackles in the game nor the incident that Derry official (Barton) came rushing in to get involved in an altercation between players. Very selective and calculated by the Derry side.

I for one believe there was certainly no malice in what Mc Cann did. But Barton trying to get Derry united here and he is using Tyrone as the common enemy.
Quote from: referee on February 06, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
Emmett fat boy Mc Guckin 1st  about something that was said from  McCarron then Barton , he was too sore to talk about the rogers incident, then a week later he gives out not for the 1st time about Tyrones tactics and now we have that p***k from Dungiven/ St Brigids ranting, it's all about getting the pressure put on the officals before Championship in Celtic Park ,but we all know by now everything that happens is tyrones fault

Have to agree with most of that.

The BBC interview after the Cavan game was the most interesting for me. Over 7 minutes long with 2 minutes devoted to the game that day and the rest skillfully diverted on to the one incident the previous week. Missing players was the topic used to link discussion about the McCann/Rogers incident. I wouldn't be surprised if the journalist interviewing Damien was from Derry as well. Although to be fair that's all they're interested in sometimes ie controversy. There does seem to be a concerted effort from the Derry camp to complain about Tyrone after these games through all media sources. Interesting tactic from them.

All that inbreeding is making you boys a wee bit paranoid. I see that p***k mccann was up to his diving antics at the weekend again. He is a disgrace on the football field. All because not one tyrone person had the guts to call out his disgraceful behaviour publicly.

Lenny - this issue has been dealt with before both on this thread and publicly in the aftermath of the McCann episode in Croker...you Derry people are quick to criticise us and lambast any Tyrone misdemeanour but I haven't heard much criticism from within your own county on the issue of Barton storming onto the pitch in the McKenna cup final.
All we hear about is the Rodgers/McCann episode but nothing about a county manager leaving the touchline and running into a melee only to put firmly on his ass!! I have rarely seen it before and thought it would have garnered big headlines but with Derry men at the forefront now on BBC / RTE / Irish News then you are all re-directing the bad publicity our way instead of criticising your own manager and his behaviour...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 10, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Barton was made to look like a fool in that incident and has been lucky that not much more has been made of his shameful behaviour.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on February 10, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
You could imagine the outcry from the Derry wans if Mickey Harte ran into a melee and pushed an opposition player!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleafgael on February 10, 2016, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 10, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
You could imagine the outcry from the Derry wans if Mickey Harte ran into a melee and pushed an opposition player!!

Sure he doesn't need to do that when he has Horse for the job!

There has been far too much made of most of the incidents recently and we can all be guilty of stirring the pot. Regarding the McCann/Rodgers incident, I have no doubt he went in to empty Rodgers as he was wide open for it, but at the same time it wasn't malicious either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on February 10, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
The Horse is a changed man,has been very calm on the line this year ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 10, 2016, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on February 10, 2016, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 10, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
You could imagine the outcry from the Derry wans if Mickey Harte ran into a melee and pushed an opposition player!!

Sure he doesn't need to do that when he has Horse for the job!

There has been far too much made of most of the incidents recently and we can all be guilty of stirring the pot. Regarding the McCann/Rodgers incident, I have no doubt he went in to empty Rodgers as he was wide open for it, but at the same time it wasn't malicious either.

??? ??? Very good OakLeaf Gael but still you only comment on the McCann incident and don't mention the Barton episode. You wans are all the same - totally blinkered !!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleafgael on February 10, 2016, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 10, 2016, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on February 10, 2016, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 10, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
You could imagine the outcry from the Derry wans if Mickey Harte ran into a melee and pushed an opposition player!!

Sure he doesn't need to do that when he has Horse for the job!

There has been far too much made of most of the incidents recently and we can all be guilty of stirring the pot. Regarding the McCann/Rodgers incident, I have no doubt he went in to empty Rodgers as he was wide open for it, but at the same time it wasn't malicious either.

??? ??? Very good OakLeaf Gael but still you only comment on the McCann incident and don't mention the Barton episode. You wans are all the same - totally blinkered !!

Mikhailov, I made my comments on the Barton incident at the time in the McKenna Cup thread that he shouldn't have done what he done but that it was no surprise to me. What is to be gained by a manager being up around the endline of the pitch at any stage of a match never mind the middle of a row? It was stupid and he will pay the price for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 10, 2016, 09:15:23 PM
Good to see Tyrone well represented in the UUJ St Marys game today. Frank Burns and Co Grugan both kicking points from play and playing well in a UUJ team packed with established county players. When you consider those two aren't even on the Tyrone panel at the minute its a real testament to the talent we have in the county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on February 11, 2016, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 10, 2016, 09:15:23 PM
Good to see Tyrone well represented in the UUJ St Marys game today. Frank Burns and Co Grugan both kicking points from play and playing well in a UUJ team packed with established county players. When you consider those two aren't even on the Tyrone panel at the minute its a real testament to the talent we have in the county
Matter of time before Frank Burns is on the senior panel. I for one wouldn't be waiting until under 21s are over I would have him in now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 11, 2016, 05:34:33 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on February 11, 2016, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 10, 2016, 09:15:23 PM
Good to see Tyrone well represented in the UUJ St Marys game today. Frank Burns and Co Grugan both kicking points from play and playing well in a UUJ team packed with established county players. When you consider those two aren't even on the Tyrone panel at the minute its a real testament to the talent we have in the county
Matter of time before Frank Burns is on the senior panel. I for one wouldn't be waiting until under 21s are over I would have him in now.

I agree Frank  ;) get in there asap
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 11, 2016, 06:20:14 PM
Better leave Burns where he is at the minute as u21 will starting shortly and all the players currently in the senior setup will be heading off with them such as Brennan, Fox, McShane and Mulgrew.

Any word on the u21 panel for this year?

We should be pretty strong from 8-15 with McShane, Burns, Kavanagh, McGlone and Brennan added to guys like Daire Gallagher and Mulgrew still all underage but I think I'm right in saying that all our defenders from last year are overage this year?

Is Ruairi Kelly still u21? Surprised he didn't get a senior call up after his year with Trillick.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 11, 2016, 09:06:29 PM
SHAMROCK CUP U21 TOURNAMENT. .

Tyrone 1-14, Monaghan 0-11.

A sharper, more incisive Tyrone proved too strong in most departments for Monaghan in this tough, hard-hitting and at times niggly contest in Cloghan on Friday evening last the 5th of February, the game switched to the Monaghan venue as Garvaghey was unavailable. Tyrone's ability to defend in numbers, break quickly and recycle the ball effectively left them always holding an edge  with Pat Clarke the referee kept on his toes throughout.
Things did boil over somewhat towards the end of the first half at which stage both sides were reduced to 14 players when the referee, after consulting with his umpires,  dismissed Monaghan's Michael Murnaghan and Tyrone's Fintan McClure on straight red cards following an incident in the Monaghan goalmouth. Tyrone led at half-time by 0-9 to 0-4, Mark Kavanagh and Padraig McAnenley accounting for the bulk of those scores.
In the second-half Monaghan continued to strive for openings and did put some good moves together but they found scores hard to come by against a massed Tyrone defence and at times too, the final ball in was not of the quality required. Just three points separated the sides going into the final 10 minutes but a goal by Sean Fox with four minutes of normal time remaining and a further two points from frees by Mark Kavanagh wrapped it up for the holders. Monaghan finished the game with 13 players following the dismissal of James Mealiff on a second yellow card midway through the second half.


Teams and Scorers:

Tyrone: Sean Fox, Michael McKernan, Peter Teague, Cillian McCann, Michael Flanagan, Sean Loughran 0-1, Owen Murray 0-1, Ben McDonald, Ryan Loughran 0-2, Johnny Harkin, Michael O'Neill, Mark Kavanagh 0-6 (5f), Paraic McAnenley 0- (1f), Fintan McClure 0-1 (f|), Sean E Fox 1-0. Subs: Frank Burns for M O'Neill, Colm Byrne for B McDonald, Ruairi McGlone for P McAnenley, Dan Lowe for M Flanagan, Ryan Coleman 0-1 for R Loughran, Shea Hamill for E Murray.


Monaghan: Conor Forde, Adam Kieran, Michael Murnaghan, Kevin Loughran, Barry Kerr, Dessie Ward 0-1, Aodh Curran, James Mealiff, Niall Loughman, Donal Meegan, Niall Rooney, Aaron Jones 0-1, Adam Treanor 0-7 (6f), Jamie Walshe, Michael O'Dowd. Subs: David McAlister 0-1 for D Meegan, Christopher Rice for A Jones, James Morrow for C Forde, Barry McBennett 0-1 for J Walshe, Alan McCaughey for A Curran, Francis Maguire for M O'Dowd, Micheal McCarville for D Ward, Christopher McAnenley for C Rice (Black Card). Referee: Pat Clarke (Cavan).


http://www.monaghangaa.ie/2016/02/u21-shamrock-cup-tyrone-gain-upper-hand/



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on February 13, 2016, 04:05:41 PM
Under 21s recorded another big win today, scoring 7 goals in the process while missing a fair few of their senior players as well. All looking very positive so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 13, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
Who were they playing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on February 13, 2016, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 13, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
Who were they playing?
According to the Tyrone twitter page.

The under 21s had a comprehensive win over Louth with further second half goals from Ryan Loughran, Ruairi McGlone and 2 from Padraig McGirr
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on March 02, 2016, 01:18:56 PM
Peter Donnelly has handed in his resignation. It was confirmed in minutes sent out by the county secretary to the clubs. WTF is going on up there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 02, 2016, 01:31:59 PM
Lets speculate wildly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 02, 2016, 01:35:12 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on March 02, 2016, 01:31:59 PM
Lets speculate wildly.

Horse put in a bad word for him?
Someone from Errigal IIIs did a PT course and is now considered suitably qualified?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 02, 2016, 02:01:01 PM
Peter Donnelly is obviously a top man at his job but the rumours I am hearing is that he was absolutely flogged to death. He was doing massive hours looking after all county teams & academy set ups in terms of S&C work and various other aspects of the overall coaching set up in Tyrone from primary schools up to the county team.

Whilst this was going on there appeared to be from certain quarters a lazy attitude towards him whereby it was assumed that he was happy and content to be a workhorse for the county board

However, a few neighbouring counties have been snooping at his door and eventually it appears they have found the key and got their man.

He will be a big big loss to Tyrone and a hard void to fill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 02, 2016, 08:17:00 PM
what county has snapped him up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 03, 2016, 10:18:50 AM
Don't say Derry,  ffs............. :'(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 03, 2016, 01:36:45 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on March 02, 2016, 02:01:01 PM
Peter Donnelly is obviously a top man at his job but the rumours I am hearing is that he was absolutely flogged to death. He was doing massive hours looking after all county teams & academy set ups in terms of S&C work and various other aspects of the overall coaching set up in Tyrone from primary schools up to the county team.

Whilst this was going on there appeared to be from certain quarters a lazy attitude towards him whereby it was assumed that he was happy and content to be a workhorse for the county board

However, a few neighbouring counties have been snooping at his door and eventually it appears they have found the key and got their man.

He will be a big big loss to Tyrone and a hard void to fill

Relax Pete you'll get your pay rise

I think you're doing a good job btw
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 03, 2016, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 03, 2016, 10:18:50 AM
Don't say Derry,  ffs............. :'(

Relation of Barton I believe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on March 03, 2016, 02:23:06 PM
Exactly relax, he's hardly going to jump from cavan to his own county to another county. Would anotehr county have been actively looking for a coach midway through a season? More money, less work and everybody is happy ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 03, 2016, 02:50:22 PM
Donnelly situation being sorted out... he was reason Tyrone did so well last year. They aren't stupid enough to let him go...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 03, 2016, 02:53:36 PM
So is he staying?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on March 03, 2016, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 03, 2016, 01:36:45 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on March 02, 2016, 02:01:01 PM
Peter Donnelly is obviously a top man at his job but the rumours I am hearing is that he was absolutely flogged to death. He was doing massive hours looking after all county teams & academy set ups in terms of S&C work and various other aspects of the overall coaching set up in Tyrone from primary schools up to the county team.

Whilst this was going on there appeared to be from certain quarters a lazy attitude towards him whereby it was assumed that he was happy and content to be a workhorse for the county board

However, a few neighbouring counties have been snooping at his door and eventually it appears they have found the key and got their man.

He will be a big big loss to Tyrone and a hard void to fill

Relax Pete you'll get your pay rise

I think you're doing a good job btw

Pay rise or just pay? Heard they attempted to cut his money. Idiots up there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 03, 2016, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 03, 2016, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 03, 2016, 10:18:50 AM
Don't say Derry,  ffs............. :'(

Relation of Barton I believe

I don't think he is relative of Barton but he fairly certain is a cousin of the McGuckians of Ballinderry...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on March 04, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Is there any update on the Peter Donnelly issue?
Or will this be a long process of trying to get some sort of agreement?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on March 08, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
Bought the Derry Post today to see what the Derry wans view of Saturday night was.The following is from the match report by Steven Doherty."Rather than play Tyrone at their own dark arts and exact some element of revenge for past injustices,Derry remained disciplined and attempted to outplay the old foe at football." :o ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on March 08, 2016, 06:16:52 PM
Stephen must have been in the social club before,  during  and after  the game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on March 08, 2016, 09:13:17 PM
No interviews with the Derry Post in future lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 08, 2016, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 08, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
Bought the Derry Post today to see what the Derry wans view of Saturday night was.The following is from the match report by Steven Doherty."Rather than play Tyrone at their own dark arts and exact some element of revenge for past injustices,Derry remained disciplined and attempted to outplay the old foe at football." :o ;D

The bitterness in that quote is what makes it so enjoyable.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleafgael on March 08, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 08, 2016, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 08, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
Bought the Derry Post today to see what the Derry wans view of Saturday night was.The following is from the match report by Steven Doherty."Rather than play Tyrone at their own dark arts and exact some element of revenge for past injustices,Derry remained disciplined and attempted to outplay the old foe at football." :o ;D

The bitterness in that quote is what makes it so enjoyable.  ;D

Ach lads surely you can appreciate the target audience? Did youse ever talk a step back and look at the skitter the likes of Alan Rodgers writes?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 09, 2016, 09:20:09 AM
Kerry and Donegal fined £7,500 if that had been Tyrone it would have been £2.4 million  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on March 09, 2016, 11:11:46 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 08, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
Bought the Derry Post today to see what the Derry wans view of Saturday night was.The following is from the match report by Steven Doherty."Rather than play Tyrone at their own dark arts and exact some element of revenge for past injustices,Derry remained disciplined and attempted to outplay the old foe at football." :o ;D

Ach the poor fella hi  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hopefully he will recover for May.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JoG2 on March 09, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on March 09, 2016, 11:11:46 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 08, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
Bought the Derry Post today to see what the Derry wans view of Saturday night was.The following is from the match report by Steven Doherty."Rather than play Tyrone at their own dark arts and exact some element of revenge for past injustices,Derry remained disciplined and attempted to outplay the old foe at football." :o ;D

Ach the poor fella hi  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hopefully he will recover for May.

funny I read the article and was glad a journalist didn't try to sugar coat the Derry performance, but, was maybe over complimentary in regards to you boys!!

"A breathtakingly well-oiled and ruthless Tyrone comfortably saw off Derry by 2-15 to 0-12 ." etc
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on March 09, 2016, 02:15:21 PM
Yeah,he did go overboard in describing our performance!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 09, 2016, 03:34:29 PM
Go easy lads, he's from North Derry!! Pumped or stuffed and all that craic ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 14, 2016, 10:06:36 AM
Big Colm was class again yesterday, it's been evident for a while but he's now more important to the team than Sean. Yes Sean has that brilliance in him, which he showed yesterday when he went on one of his runs and hammered the cross bar with a shot, but Colm plays a key role in around the edge of the square.

If Tyrone want to have a go at the Dublin's and Kerry's this year he must be kept fit.
Ronan' O'Neill was a class act again yesterday up until he went off injured, put in a lot of hard work. Any word on him or Ronan McNamee?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on March 14, 2016, 10:17:56 AM
Colm Cavanagh was brilliant yet again.He has taken a serious amount of stick from some Tyrone supporters over the years but he has been our most consistent player for a good while now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 14, 2016, 10:49:57 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 14, 2016, 10:17:56 AM
Colm Cavanagh was brilliant yet again.He has taken a serious amount of stick from some Tyrone supporters over the years but he has been our most consistent player for a good while now.

The stick he received is irrelevant at this stage and it sickens me every time Cavanagh is mentioned its thrown up. When he was getting stick he was playing shite and didn't seem to deserve to be a part of the squad now he's playing well I don't think anyone is disputing that and fair play to him for putting in the effort to improve himself as some players in that position might walk away from the squad or not get the patience of the management.

He's went from squad player to automatic starter so fair play to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on March 14, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
That is bollocks Kildress man.People were unfairly comparing him to Sean when he first came into the panel.Got plenty of stick even when he was playing well.Heard it at the games,not as good as Sean,can't score,blah blah.
You're saying he didn't deserve to be part of the squad lol.Yous would know more about chasing sheep around Kildress than a size 5 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 14, 2016, 11:59:05 AM
Colm Cavanagh got an unfair amount of stick compared to others who were on Tyrone teams and panels.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 14, 2016, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 14, 2016, 11:59:05 AM
Colm Cavanagh got an unfair amount of stick compared to others who were on Tyrone teams and panels.   

A lot of players get an unfair amount of stick from the Hurlers on the ditch  if you were to go back over the past few years. Just off the top of my head  Rony O'Neill (I know I commented on his fitness levels), Kyle Coney, Petey Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Mark Harte.

I think we have to assume Mickey sees something in these players. In some it takes longer to come to fruition, some may never reach their potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 14, 2016, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 14, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
That is bollocks Kildress man.People were unfairly comparing him to Sean when he first came into the panel.Got plenty of stick even when he was playing well.Heard it at the games,not as good as Sean,can't score,blah blah.
You're saying he didn't deserve to be part of the squad lol.Yous would know more about chasing sheep around Kildress than a size 5 ;D ;D

LOL - Leave the sheep out of it they have a tough enough time at the minute - middling of lambing and all!

Kildress is a proud footballing club BTW.

I never said he didn't get stick - I was just saying when he plays well (which is often these days) does the debate always have to go back to 'jaysus colms playing well - he took some stick when he started' just a bit boring if you ask me.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on March 14, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 14, 2016, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 14, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
That is bollocks Kildress man.People were unfairly comparing him to Sean when he first came into the panel.Got plenty of stick even when he was playing well.Heard it at the games,not as good as Sean,can't score,blah blah.
You're saying he didn't deserve to be part of the squad lol.Yous would know more about chasing sheep around Kildress than a size 5 ;D ;D

LOL - Leave the sheep out of it they have a tough enough time at the minute - middling of lambing and all!

Kildress is a proud footballing club BTW.

I never said he didn't get stick - I was just saying when he plays well (which is often these days) does the debate always have to go back to 'jaysus colms playing well - he took some stick when he started' just a bit boring if you ask me.

Agreed it does become sickening but its a good example of the following a) Harte knows better than any of us. b) we are too quick to write a player off when they aren't all stars aged 22/23.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 15, 2016, 12:59:48 PM
Haven't saw our last 2 games so am wondering what is RoN doing differently now?
Is it that he's just scoring frees or is he moving the ball much faster?

I hope he reaches the levels we all hoped he would. He's still young lad isn't he.
He has great vision and is accurate but I often used to think he slowed the attack down too much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 15, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 15, 2016, 12:59:48 PM
Haven't saw our last 2 games so am wondering what is RoN doing differently now?
Is it that he's just scoring frees or is he moving the ball much faster?

I hope he reaches the levels we all hoped he would. He's still young lad isn't he.
He has great vision and is accurate but I often used to think he slowed the attack down too much.


On the basis of the Derry game, he seems to be much fitter and in better physical shape and willing to put in the work off the ball that he previously hadn't. Hopefully he can keep it up. Would be great if he can reach his potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on March 15, 2016, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 15, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 15, 2016, 12:59:48 PM
Haven't saw our last 2 games so am wondering what is RoN doing differently now?
Is it that he's just scoring frees or is he moving the ball much faster?

I hope he reaches the levels we all hoped he would. He's still young lad isn't he.
He has great vision and is accurate but I often used to think he slowed the attack down too much.


On the basis of the Derry game, he seems to be much fitter and in better physical shape and willing to put in the work off the ball that he previously hadn't. Hopefully he can keep it up. Would be great if he can reach his potential.

Was at last 2 games & he is much leaner than previous years. His workrate is very impressive - have seen him a few times in his own full-back line cutting out opposition attacks. Free-taking very impressive against Derry & then he looked really sharp from open play against Meath, had his marker on toast any time the ball came in. Have to say I've been pleasantly surprised, hopefully his injury isn't severe - think it is his back.

Good to see some competition for places now too - not sure if McCurry is injured but there are now good options to come off the bench busting a gut to make an impression. MON kickouts were impressive on Sunday bar 1 streaky effort along the ground. With Morgan not taking the frees anymore he could struggle to be No1 come the summer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 15, 2016, 02:13:59 PM
I've always felt Mickey O'Neill was a better keeper anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 15, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on March 14, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 14, 2016, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 14, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
That is bollocks Kildress man.People were unfairly comparing him to Sean when he first came into the panel.Got plenty of stick even when he was playing well.Heard it at the games,not as good as Sean,can't score,blah blah.
You're saying he didn't deserve to be part of the squad lol.Yous would know more about chasing sheep around Kildress than a size 5 ;D ;D

LOL - Leave the sheep out of it they have a tough enough time at the minute - middling of lambing and all!

Kildress is a proud footballing club BTW.

I never said he didn't get stick - I was just saying when he plays well (which is often these days) does the debate always have to go back to 'jaysus colms playing well - he took some stick when he started' just a bit boring if you ask me.

Agreed it does become sickening but its a good example of the following a) Harte knows better than any of us. b) we are too quick to write a player off when they aren't all stars aged 22/23.

Behave. Harte has had his fair share of mistakes in selection through the ages and butchered a few promising seasons to early exit against inferior opposition. He has also been guilty of putting some lads in too early while holding others back too long. Colm Cavanagh and Ray Mulgrew were thrown in far too early, it showed and a lot of people saw that. Its fair to say Colm had a lot of ropey performances but has matured into a very good and vital player for Tyrone.

If anyone can find a post criticising Colm because he wasn't as good as Sean I'll be amazed. You could probably find quite a few posts relating to favouritism be it club or family based and there is occasionally a whiff of that about Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 15, 2016, 02:54:45 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 15, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on March 14, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 14, 2016, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 14, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
That is bollocks Kildress man.People were unfairly comparing him to Sean when he first came into the panel.Got plenty of stick even when he was playing well.Heard it at the games,not as good as Sean,can't score,blah blah.
You're saying he didn't deserve to be part of the squad lol.Yous would know more about chasing sheep around Kildress than a size 5 ;D ;D

LOL - Leave the sheep out of it they have a tough enough time at the minute - middling of lambing and all!

Kildress is a proud footballing club BTW.

I never said he didn't get stick - I was just saying when he plays well (which is often these days) does the debate always have to go back to 'jaysus colms playing well - he took some stick when he started' just a bit boring if you ask me.

Agreed it does become sickening but its a good example of the following a) Harte knows better than any of us. b) we are too quick to write a player off when they aren't all stars aged 22/23.

Behave. Harte has had his fair share of mistakes in selection through the ages and butchered a few promising seasons to early exit against inferior opposition. He has also been guilty of putting some lads in too early while holding others back too long. Colm Cavanagh and Ray Mulgrew were thrown in far too early, it showed and a lot of people saw that. Its fair to say Colm had a lot of ropey performances but has matured into a very good and vital player for Tyrone.

If anyone can find a post criticising Colm because he wasn't as good as Sean I'll be amazed. You could probably find quite a few posts relating to favouritism be it club or family based and there is occasionally a whiff of that about Mickey.


Lol you have to laugh at this. Criticising harte because he played some players too sonn and others too late! How can you win. Hindsight is a great thing isn't it! You have to trust in Harte's judgment and imo seems to have gave everybody a shot in a tight competitive squad. Colnm Cavanagh was being criticised at times because he was playing abysmally. Harte stuck with him and obviously seen a lot more. He was right! That's why he is where he is and I'm not!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 15, 2016, 08:09:46 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at the team forvtomorrow night.

1-
2-
3- Peter Teague
4-
5
6- frank burns
7-
8- mcshane
9- s Lougran
10- p mcanenly
11- cavanagh
12 - dd mulgrew
13- daire Gallagher
14- lee Brennan
15-
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 15, 2016, 08:24:18 PM
I'd imagine McGlone and Fox will be starting if fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 15, 2016, 09:41:54 PM
Surely DD is not playing - has he not got a schools final on Thursday at 12.30 for Holy Trinity...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 15, 2016, 10:43:19 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 15, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on March 14, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 14, 2016, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 14, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
That is bollocks Kildress man.People were unfairly comparing him to Sean when he first came into the panel.Got plenty of stick even when he was playing well.Heard it at the games,not as good as Sean,can't score,blah blah.
You're saying he didn't deserve to be part of the squad lol.Yous would know more about chasing sheep around Kildress than a size 5 ;D ;D

LOL - Leave the sheep out of it they have a tough enough time at the minute - middling of lambing and all!

Kildress is a proud footballing club BTW.

I never said he didn't get stick - I was just saying when he plays well (which is often these days) does the debate always have to go back to 'jaysus colms playing well - he took some stick when he started' just a bit boring if you ask me.

Agreed it does become sickening but its a good example of the following a) Harte knows better than any of us. b) we are too quick to write a player off when they aren't all stars aged 22/23.

Behave. Harte has had his fair share of mistakes in selection through the ages and butchered a few promising seasons to early exit against inferior opposition. He has also been guilty of putting some lads in too early while holding others back too long. Colm Cavanagh and Ray Mulgrew were thrown in far too early, it showed and a lot of people saw that. Its fair to say Colm had a lot of ropey performances but has matured into a very good and vital player for Tyrone.

If anyone can find a post criticising Colm because he wasn't as good as Sean I'll be amazed. You could probably find quite a few posts relating to favouritism be it club or family based and there is occasionally a whiff of that about Mickey.

Can't remember an Errigal player being strung along on the bench for ages... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on March 15, 2016, 10:58:25 PM
1- Sean Fox
2- Shea Hamill
3- Peter Teague
4- Darren Devlin
5- Colm Bryne
6- Sean Loughran
7- Eoghan Murray
8- Cathal McShane
9- Frank Burns
10- Pauric McAnenly
11- Mark Kavanagh
12 - DD Mulgrew
13- Sean Fox
14- Ryan Loughran
15- Lee Brennan

DD apparently not playing but not 100% sure of this. If not Daire Gallagher or Ben McDonnell will probably take his place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 16, 2016, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on March 15, 2016, 10:58:25 PM
1- Sean Fox Killyclogher
2- Shea Hamill  Donaghmore
3- Peter Teague  Dromore
4- Darren Devlin  Stewartstown
5- Colm Bryne  Eglish
6- Sean Loughran   Carmen
7- Eoghan Murray ???
8- Cathal McShane  Owen Roes
9- Frank Burns  Plunketts
10- Pauric McAnenly   E.C
11- Mark Kavanagh  E.C
12 - DD Mulgrew  Ardboe
13- Sean Fox ???
14- Ryan Loughran  ???
15- Lee Brennan  Trillick

DD apparently not playing but not 100% sure of this. If not Daire Gallagher (Trillick) or Ben McDonnell (????) will probably take his place.

Excuse my ignorance to some of these lads but can someone fill in the blanks please...cheers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 16, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
                   Fox
McCann.   Teague     Hamill
Byrne.   Loughran.    McGirr
       McShane. McDonnell
Kavanagh  Burns.   ONeill
Brennan.  Loughran. Fox
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 17, 2016, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 16, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
                   Fox
McCann.   Teague     Hamill
Byrne.   Loughran.    McGirr
       McShane. McDonnell
Kavanagh  Burns.   ONeill
Brennan.  Loughran. Fox

Anyone at the game last night? Who were the main men? McShane seemed to have have a good game and do a lot of the scoring by the sounds of it. Was he operating around the middle or further forward?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2016, 12:27:23 PM
Thought Tyrone were average enough last night, Cavan looked poor. Definitely don't have the same talent as last year. Relied a lot on burns and mcshane who were excellent. Burns took a lot of ball out of defence and mcshane scored 4 from play and won good bit of ball. He started at full forward but came out early. Can be wasteful at times but still offers a lot. Would have liked to have saw more from Brennan. Hopefully they can kick on from here, it's a funny grade were you can start ok and get a good run going.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 17, 2016, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2016, 12:27:23 PM
Thought Tyrone were average enough last night, Cavan looked poor. Definitely don't have the same talent as last year. Relied a lot on burns and mcshane who were excellent. Burns took a lot of ball out of defence and mcshane scored 4 from play and won good bit of ball. He started at full forward but came out early. Can be wasteful at times but still offers a lot. Would have liked to have saw more from Brennan. Hopefully they can kick on from here, it's a funny grade were you can start ok and get a good run going.

is it fair to say McShane is so effective at this level because he's such a good athlete and more powerful than nearly everyone else playing u21s, but that he's struggled a bit so far at seniors because he's playing against bigger men obviously and size isn't enough to see you through at senior level anyway? or am I being too harsh on his footballing ability?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2016, 12:47:26 PM
It probably is a factor but I think people can be harsh on him. He's still under 21 so was young for the seniors last year. Even in the senior earlier this year although he's been wasteful he's been very good at getting ball. With a bit of work his athleticism and ball winning ability could turn him into a very good county player over the coming years. Coming from junior club it probably takes time to get up to the speed of the game too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 17, 2016, 03:04:54 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 17, 2016, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 17, 2016, 12:27:23 PM
Thought Tyrone were average enough last night, Cavan looked poor. Definitely don't have the same talent as last year. Relied a lot on burns and mcshane who were excellent. Burns took a lot of ball out of defence and mcshane scored 4 from play and won good bit of ball. He started at full forward but came out early. Can be wasteful at times but still offers a lot. Would have liked to have saw more from Brennan. Hopefully they can kick on from here, it's a funny grade were you can start ok and get a good run going.

is it fair to say McShane is so effective at this level because he's such a good athlete and more powerful than nearly everyone else playing u21s, but that he's struggled a bit so far at seniors because he's playing against bigger men obviously and size isn't enough to see you through at senior level anyway? or am I being too harsh on his footballing ability?


Not only is it harsh but you are talking absolute rubbish. He was brought into seniors with a year still to go at under 21. he is still developing and his senior performances havent been consistent but he has shown great glimpses throughout. He is head and shoulders above them because he is talented. Being a great athlete doesn't mean you can field like him, pop long range efforts over at ease and show great skill on both feet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 17, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
Conor McKenna sore loss from that panel. Genuine AI material if he was still available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on March 19, 2016, 12:14:01 AM
Quote from: God14 on March 17, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
Conor McKenna sore loss from that panel. Genuine AI material if he was still available.

6 OF LAST YEARS DEFENCE ARE AWAY, WHATS YOUR POINT?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 19, 2016, 08:19:26 AM
I would hazard a guess his point was that this is the minor team McKenna starred in 3 years ago therefore would be a big miss from this team. Not sure what your point is?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 19, 2016, 08:33:59 AM
Yeah my pount exactly. He is still underage whereas the defenders you refer to are not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 19, 2016, 02:33:25 PM
Tyrone 3-13 Derry 1-14 minor football league
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 19, 2016, 05:13:19 PM
We're u at it Omagh Gael? Wonder what this years team is like. Haven't heard much about them but I was told we have a very good u17 team by a few people
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 19, 2016, 06:47:21 PM
some panel the u 17s head and shoulders above derry hard work paying off
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 21, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Good article with Gavin Devlin in the Irish News today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 21, 2016, 11:02:18 AM
Thanks to the irish news website (http://"http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/03/21/news/the-long-and-winding-road-of-tyrone-s-double-all-ireland-winner-gavin-devlin-455809/")

GAVIN Devlin was sure of one thing. Mickey Harte's timing was lousy. Devlin's fledgling managerial career was going well.

He'd spent a couple of fruitful years with Newbridge in Derry. He'd guided Kildress to an Intermediate title and was enjoying life with Bellaghy.

"I remember Mickey rang me and we had a Championship match that night," Devlin says.

"His timing wasn't good!

"Mickey was going to call down and see me, and then he said: 'While I have you on the phone, how would you feel about coming into the backroom team?'

"I said: 'Mickey, you don't even have to ask me that...'

"I don't think I would have gone in with anyone else because I was really enjoying managing Bellaghy. I certainly wouldn't have left Bellaghy for anyone other than Mickey."

It was August 2012.

A few weeks earlier, Tyrone had bowed meekly out of the All-Ireland series to Kerry in Killarney.

Changes were afoot in the county.

Harte believed the time was right to refresh his backroom team.

After retiring from football at just 26, Devlin had taken to management like a duck to water. He improved every club side he became associated with.

Affectionately known as 'Horse', he guided his own club Ardboe to their first minor title in 10 years in 2008.

"The cubs loved him," says his club-mate and Tyrone great Brian McGuigan.

"He wrapped the players around his wee finger. Mickey would have had a lot of time for him and he would have seen him as a leader. 'Horse' would have struck a chord with Mickey."

For Harte, the recruitment of his former centre half-back was a straightforward decision.

"It wasn't a matter of 'if', it was a matter of 'when' I would ask him to get involved," reveals Harte.

"He'd stepped into management and all the reports where he'd been were very good. I wasn't surprised at that because I knew what he was like as a footballer."

Devlin adds: "Even when I was playing, Mickey and I would've had conversations about the game. I always found him easy to talk to. Not everyone did...

"You know people ask me all the time: 'Do you and Mickey ever disagree?'

"I can't tell lies, we rarely disagree.

"Our vision of football is very, very similar. Of course there are times when I think things should be done differently and we'd talk about it and discuss it.

"At times he'd take it on board and other times he doesn't but he's the manager of the team. But I've no bother talking to Mickey – I'd talk to Mickey as well as I'd talk to my own father."

In the late 90s and early 'Noughties', Devlin was one of Harte's loyal foot soldiers.

He attended St Puis X College, Magherafelt before finishing his school days in Holy Trinity, Cookstown where he won numerous All-Ireland titles.

"There's a pitch behind Brian McGuigan's house and we played there seven days a week," Devlin explains. "Once we'd done our homework a bunch of us were over there and it was relentless, so it didn't happen by chance.

"There was me, Brian, his brother Frank, Gavin Wylie, Aidan Quinn, Michael Quinn..."

Although he started out as a forward, he ended up in the half-back line.

"I mind coming down to play a minor league game in Ardboe and the manager Phelim Hugh Forbes said to me: 'I'm playing you centre half-back today', and I never looked back. I was able to read the game well and it was a great place to play."

He played centre half-back on the Holy Trinity team and right half-back for the Vocational Schools side.

"It was a good shop window," Devlin says, "and I got spotted in '98."

Terry McCann, one of Devlin's mentors at the time, let him know that Tyrone minor manager Mickey Harte was keeping tabs on him...

It's a bright and breezy Friday afternoon. We meet in the Tilley Lamp in Ardboe before the lunchtime rush.

Everyone is on first-name terms in the bar/restaurant. The hospitality and food are faultless.

It was in '98 his football career began to bloom. The baby-faced teenager was in demand too. He was playing for numerous underage teams, but Ardboe wasn't one of them.

"In '98 we won three All-Irelands," he recalls.

"At that time it was just so demanding. I actually came in here one night [The Tilley Lamp] and I hadn't been to Ardboe training.

"I mind the manager was sitting up at the bar and he called me over. It was quite busy. I was only a young buck at the time and he said something about 'there's a team in Ardboe' sort of thing, and I remember saying something smart back to him. I said I wouldn't be playing for Ardboe.

"I regret not playing for my club that year, absolutely," Devlin says.

"Even when Ardboe won the county championship that year it didn't bother me because I thought we'd win another one as we were winning blitzes, right through from U12s, U14s, U16s, minors and U21s...

"Of course we were going to win another senior title and of course we didn't.

"We'd plenty of good chances to win another one but we never did. It was a big mistake [not playing]."

It was during a trial game Harte noticed this youngster from Ardboe directing traffic and organising those around him. Harte liked what he saw.

"When he first played for us he was a corner-back," Harte recalls.

"I suppose it was in the days when the corner-forward came out and became the proverbial third midfielder – whatever that meant – so Gavin came out the field and it became his position.

"We actually made him the extra defender. If his man was going to roam, let him go because Gavin was a great organiser, a good reader of the game, and he would cover the 'D' which he became very proficient at.

"There wasn't much point sending one of our defenders after the [withdrawn] corner-forward and leaving us more vulnerable at the back with two on two when we didn't need to be doing that. Gavin was made for that particular role.

"And then he became the number six in the days when the number six would man the centre and hold it. He was very good at that."

Devlin was instrumental in Tyrone's All-Ireland minor success in '98 and their back-to-back All-Ireland U21 triumphs.

When Harte was confirmed senior team manager at the tail end of 2002, Devlin knew the future was bright for him and the minor class of '98.

"I knew the minute Mickey got the job I would be playing for Tyrone," he says. "I just knew it. Whether I would have played for Tyrone under Art McRory and Eugene McKenna, I'm not so sure.

"Under Mickey, we knew nothing else only winning. In 1998, we won the All-Ireland. In 2000, we won the U21 All-Ireland. In 2001, we won it again.

"In 2003, we won the All-Ireland. In 2005, we won the All-Ireland... It was just the norm to go and win All-Irelands.

"Now, we didn't win every day but the mindset always was: 'We're winning here today.'

"No matter what place we were in at half-time we never felt we were beaten – and Cormac McAnallen was a big part of that."

For those who played with Devlin at inter-county level, he was an acquired taste. His skills set weren't always universally appreciated.

But inside the changing room, where opinions mattered, his value to the Tyrone effort was immeasurable.

McGuigan says: "The way we played right up through minors and U21s and Mickey's first couple of years in the seniors you would have had people questioning Gavin Devlin playing at centre half-back – he'd no pace but it was upstairs where he had it. At that time the game suited him.

"For those couple of years and the way we played, 'Horse' was so important to Tyrone."

It was around that time the vague notion of a sweeper began to form

"Gavin had the feet of a dancer," Harte says, "because it wasn't just about mopping things up or getting rid of the ball; he could evade forwards and work his way out of difficult situations, stay in control and pass the ball out of defence.

"He'd a lot of composure. He was a man you liked to see on the ball because you knew he would handle things and make this a good outcome."

On the way to their first All-Ireland at senior level in 2003, the Red Hands were criticised in media circles for corrupting the traditional practices of Gaelic football.

New terminology such as sweeper systems and 'blanket' defences became part of the GAA vernacular.

Initially, Devlin liked the sweeper's role. But as time passed he felt increasingly de-skilled by it.

"When you're labelled a sweeper and you play a certain role, it's a mindset, you almost feel that's what I do, and you neglect other parts of your game," Devlin reflects now.

"I played in the 2003 All-Ireland final and I think I kick-passed the ball once. I was a really good kick passer.

"But you didn't need to kick pass the ball when you had Philip Jordan flying off your shoulder, or Ryan McMenamin, or Cormac McAnallen.

"The wise thing to do was throw it to them and get the transition going from back to front. We were so good at it.

"I'd got into this mindset that I was a sweeper and I was there to delete the space, and you were happy to do that for the team."

Still, the more he played the role, the less fulfilled he felt.

"Whenever you don't practice other parts of the game, you stop doing it... I enjoyed the role for a while and then I stopped enjoying it."

Devlin made his senior Championship debut against Derry in '03, but was retrospectively banned for 12 weeks for stamping on Colm Parkinson of Laois during the National League final.

"There was actually a clip that they showed on TV going into the ground that day after Laois had just beaten Armagh. Colm Parkinson said something like: 'We're in the final now and we're going to win it.'

"So I let him know 10 minutes into the game."

Devlin was yellow-carded for the indiscretion but the GAA's disciplinary body subsequently upgraded it to a red and banned him for 12 weeks.

As if being sidelined in the height of summer wasn't hard enough to take, he was annoyed a comment the-then GAA President and Kerry native Sean Kelly made to him after the hearing.

"I mind getting the suspension in Croke Park and the President saying to me: 'Sure we'll see you in the Fall.'

"I knew he would be seeing me in the Fall but I knew he was saying it to me in a way that he thought he wouldn't be seeing Tyrone in the Fall.

"We hadn't been there since 1995, so to many people our chances of still being in the Championship then were slim.

"When he said it, I thought to myself: 'That's pretty rich'.

"I knew more about us than he obviously did – and I let him know it too. At a dinner dance in Kelly's Inn that year, when we'd won the All-Ireland, he was there.

"I'd a few beer in me. It wasn't nasty or anything but I reminded him that I didn't disappoint him."

Ironically, Devlin's suspension lapsed in time for Tyrone's All-Ireland semi-final with Kerry.

Standing on the pitch in Omagh after their final training session before facing Kerry, Harte named his starting XV.

The Ardboe man had "no inkling" Harte would parachute him right back into the heart of the Red Hand defence.

"I was hoping he'd give me a heads up before training but he never did," recalls Devlin.

"He called out the team and I thought: 'Did he just say my name there?'"

"I didn't have to think twice about that decision," Harte says now. "If Gavin was available he was playing number six."

In tomorrow's Irish News: Part Two

Gavin Devlin reflects on the loss of Cormac McAnallen, being dropped from the Tyrone team in 2005, retiring from football and what the future holds for the Ardboe man..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 21, 2016, 11:23:57 AM
Have never met Horse and I gotta say I know very little about him except what I read.
What do you think he brings to the management team now and why does Mickey like him so much.

He certainly seems to get involved a lot in the nastier side of things and likes to stir it up on the sideline.
Could he be our next manager?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 21, 2016, 11:35:41 AM
Horse is a BIG personality - wheres his heart on his sleeve on the line and IMO would make a good Tyrone manager in the future.

Mickey and him might get on cause he's right craic and I think Mickey loved him in the minors and senior set up as a player as he was someone who could keep the craic going whilst putting everything into the football.

If you picked out a person to match Hartes beliefs outside of the game you would be a long time thinking of Horse but then again maybe opposites attract.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 21, 2016, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 21, 2016, 11:35:41 AM
Horse is a BIG personality - wheres his heart on his sleeve on the line and IMO would make a good Tyrone manager in the future.

Mickey and him might get on cause he's right craic and I think Mickey loved him in the minors and senior set up as a player as he was someone who could keep the craic going whilst putting everything into the football.

If you picked out a person to match Hartes beliefs outside of the game you would be a long time thinking of Horse but then again maybe opposites attract.

I think that's the key to it. He brings a side of a personality that Mickey doesn't have. Both of them together compliment each other.

Why did he retire so early?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 21, 2016, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 21, 2016, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 21, 2016, 11:35:41 AM
Horse is a BIG personality - wheres his heart on his sleeve on the line and IMO would make a good Tyrone manager in the future.

Mickey and him might get on cause he's right craic and I think Mickey loved him in the minors and senior set up as a player as he was someone who could keep the craic going whilst putting everything into the football.

If you picked out a person to match Hartes beliefs outside of the game you would be a long time thinking of Horse but then again maybe opposites attract.

I think that's the key to it. He brings a side of a personality that Mickey doesn't have. Both of them together compliment each other.

Why did he retire so early?

I suppose its a similar relationship to Harte & Tony Donnelly in that respect
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 21, 2016, 05:26:50 PM
interesting reading that on horse. On his own admission he prob wouldn't have played county football under art and Eugene and id have to agree with that. He prob wouldn't have played under anyone but Mickey.Other than to play a sweeping role he had little else to offering playing wise,but was a leader on the field, and among that group and Micky new this.I can't mind if he was dropped or retired himself but it was a pity he didn't play more for his club. They got very little from him playing wise, compared to Brian mcguigan
I'd say he would be grt manager to play under. Be nice to see him manage ardboe to champ one day saying he missed out in 98
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on March 22, 2016, 09:11:33 AM
Horse was a great player at minor and U21, but then he seemed to lose the pace. He was basically retired by Alan Brogan in 2005, it took that long for a team to put a runner on him.

Hes a great lad and always has been, never really understood all the flack he gets.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 22, 2016, 03:45:40 PM
Today's article on Horse
Gavin Devlin's playing days with Tyrone: A change of view (http://"http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2016/03/22/news/gavin-devlin-s-playing-days-a-change-of-view-458978/")

IN the late '90s/early 'Noughties' a rich Ardboe vein ran through the heart of Mickey Harte's Tyrone team.

Gavin 'Horse' Devlin was number six, Brian McGuigan number 11. These were the utopian years.

Devlin and McGuigan made sweet music on a football field. The higher the stakes, the higher the notes they hit.

When Devlin had the ball in his hands his natural instinct was to always look for McGuigan.

He knew if he could find McGuigan the ball would be safe there.

In any case, McGuigan was never hard to find. That was the innate beauty of McGuigan.

"Brian was so, so brave on a football field," Devlin says.

"I'm not talking about the challenges; I'm talking about when you needed someone to stand up, he was always there. And he did it from a very young age.

"I felt totally, totally safe when I went out onto a football field with Brian.

"Whenever he was on your team you felt safe, you felt confident and you felt assured. He was everything you wanted in a player."

McGuigan says: "I played minor and U21s with 'Horse' right through our age group with Ardboe and we won championships the whole way up.

"'Horse' was number six, I was always number 11 and we just had that understanding.

"Gavin had total faith in me.

"He'd give me the ball whether I was two yards beside him or 22 yards away from him – he always looked for me.

"Maybe later it had become a bit too obvious, that other teams knew that was the link between defence and the forward line.

"But for those couple of years, it was great to play alongside him.

"To win that first All-Ireland and Gavin beside me was great."

Devlin sits back in the quiet booth in the Tilley Lamp and thinks about the great players he played with.

There isn't a hint of Ardboe bias, he protests, when ranking McGuigan above all others.

"I was always a big Tyrone fan. In the mid-90s I idolised Peter Canavan. To get a chance to play along with him in 2003 was special.

"Boys ask me all the time who was the best player I played with: without a shadow of doubt it was very, very easy and that's Brian McGuigan.

"I know people probably think it is Ardboe bias, but it isn't. He was the greatest player I ever played with because he was so unique.

"If you were winning by five, six or seven points you wouldn't know he was on the field. He only came alive when you needed him most."

McGuigan, of course, was hit hard by injuries – the kind of which cruelly truncated a fabulous career.

He suffered a bad leg break in 2006 and upon his return in a reserve club game he was dealt a career-threatening eye injury.

Devlin adds: "They talk about his father Frank and not seeing his best days – we didn't see Brian McGuigan's best days.

"In 2003 he was only a young lad. They talk about Mugsy's goal in 2005 [against Dublin], but look at Brian McGuigan's goal against Galway in '04 in the Qualifiers – it was sublime.

"In 2005, he went to Australia and came back for the Championship.

"How he never got an Allstar that year I'll never know, and in 2006 he suffered a horrific broken leg, and that was game over because he was out with that and once he came back the Ardboe manager thought it was a good idea to play him in a reserve game against Aghyaran.

"At that time, you'd need a steel suit to play in Aghyaran.

"He played for 20 minutes [before getting injured]. Anyone who was at that game never seen anything like it. He was the game-changer in every game I played in or watched.

"I have no doubt only that he broke his leg – because that was the beginning of the end – we would have won another Championship [with Ardboe].

"People talked about that he was back after the leg break, but he was never back... He made ordinary players around him come alive. He could make them good players. And he always gave the right pass. Always."

March 2, 2004 is a date etched in the hearts and minds of everyone associated with Tyrone GAA.

Life would never be the same again after the sudden death of Cormac McAnallen.

Just a couple of days before the terrible news, Devlin married his long-time girlfriend Eilish. All the Tyrone lads attended their special day.

Cormac was mature beyond his tender years. Everyone in the Tyrone squad looked up to Cormac and, deep down, they probably wanted to be a bit like him.

Devlin and his wife called their second child after him. Cormac's tragic death left an indelible sadness on Devlin.

"I got married on the 27th of February in 2004," Devlin recalls.
"At the wedding that day things happened and you think 'was that fate?' It was the conversations we had at the wedding and the things he said to me.

"It was mind-boggling looking back every day since.

"Whenever you talked to Cormac it wasn't like talking to any of the lads like 'Hub' Hughes, Ger Cavlan or McGuigan – every conversation you had with Cormac would mean something..."

"Time is a funny thing. It plays tricks on you. It's something you never fully understand or get to grips with.

"In some ways it seems like yesterday and other ways it feels a lifetime ago.

"When you think about Cormac it's something you don't get over. There isn't a day goes by that I haven't thought about him.

"You just wonder why – why was he taken away from us?

"There is no doubt he would have gone on and lifted another All-Ireland.

"Even though we went on to win another All-Ireland in '05, it just didn't feel right. Not for me anyway. That's when I knew I was falling out of love with the game in terms of playing it because I felt that Cormac should have been with us the day we won in '05."

After Cormac's death, the Tyrone players were all screened.

Devlin's scan results showed he had an enlarged valve. At times during the 2005 season he complained of tiredness and lethargy, symptoms that were consistent with this defect.

On the field, Tyrone were flying again. They beat Down in their Ulster opener and needed two games to dismiss an obdurate Cavan team.

Armagh, though, proved a tough nut to crack, the Red Hands losing an Ulster final replay after two epic encounters in Croke Park.

But they would later avenge that loss in the All-Ireland semi-finals. In between times, Tyrone eased past Monaghan to take their place in the quarter-finals against Dublin.

For the first time while playing under Harte, Devlin's place in Tyrone's starting line-up fell under fierce scrutiny.

Devlin remembers the game too. It was Monaghan in the All-Ireland Qualifiers.

The squat figure of Rory Woods was proving a handful for 'Horse' in the early stages, and later Farney substitute Stephen Gollogly.

But Devlin recovered well, began protecting the 'D' again and the Red Hands ran out easy winners to book a mouth-watering clash with the Dubs.

"From a very early stage I felt very comfortable with Mickey," Devlin says.

"I knew I would be given time to get the better of my man. I knew I'd win the battle. I never remember getting taken off in any game until 2004... I got taken off in a National League game. It was the first time ever.

"[But] I knew I'd always get time on the field with Mickey."

Woods and Gollogly were lively, energetic players – but Dublin's in-form playmaker Alan Brogan was a more cerebral opponent for Devlin to contain.

He was the kind of footballer that could hurt you no matter what position he took up on the field.

Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up.

"Alan Brogan was absolutely on fire," Devlin recalls.

In the first game, 'Horse' was substituted and Joe McMahon came in. Seven days later, Devlin didn't make the starting team for the replay.

"It turned out to be the right decision," Devlin reflects.

"Conor Gormley came back to be number six and would do a massive job there. It turned out it was his position all along.

"Enda McGinley came back into midfield and was a revelation.

"I had no bother because we had to win an All-Ireland and if it took for me to be dropped, I would do it.

"I knew there was a better balance and shape to the team.

"I kept plugging away. I was disappointed – of course I was disappointed. My family were disappointed. But I knew my role had to be different. I couldn't be an energy-sapper, I had to be a giver."

Harte acknowledges that dropping one of his most trusted men was a "difficult decision"

"But Gavin made it easy," explains Harte, "because of the way he reacted to it. He accepted it 100 per cent with not a bad word in his head, not a bad vibe came out of him.

"It wasn't easy for me to do. He could have mopped about but he didn't."

McGuigan remembers: "Maybe the way Dublin played the game didn't suit 'Horse' as much and maybe people were catching on to the way we played. 

"The thing that stood out after that was he didn't sit there and be quiet. He acted in the same way, the way he'd always be in the changing room...

"Me, 'Horse' and Owen Mulligan would have always met in the Glenavon Leisure Centre, in the sauna or swimming pool.

"It was a good time for the three of us just to chat and just go over the weekend's game. But 'Horse' never got us down.

"Owen was going through a bad patch that summer and he kept encouraging Owen. Horse' never thought about himself. He was honest enough to admit that it was right he wasn't playing."

Life away from football had changed a great deal too. Devlin had become a father of two boys at that time and work was pretty hectic.

"I was working in Monaghan at the time, building houses, and I was up and down the road to training. I'd two boys in the house at that time and it was really, really tough.

"Looking back now, to be brutally honest, our boys are very lucky to have the mother that they have. She was the pillar. She was the rock. Maybe I wasn't as good a father as I ought to have been then, but I think I'm making up for it now."

Devlin's last season wearing the Tyrone jersey was 2006.

"I knew my time was up playing the game at that level," he says.

As much as anything, the changing face of the modern game had retired Devlin.

"The game was getting faster," says Harte, "it was a more mobile game and less about positional sense and you needed perpetual motion.

"He knew that. It was too young for someone to retire but it really wasn't dictated by him or any of us – it was dictated by the way the game was going."

Devlin hung on for one more year with his club before quitting football altogether, aged 26.

"Not one day have I regretted the decision to stop playing," Devlin says.

He's always had a burning passion for coaching the game. Along with his Tyrone commitments, he's deeply embedded in his own club these days.

"He's on our development committee," McGuigan says, "and is a real driving force and the vision that he has for Ardboe youth in four or five years time is a credit to him.

"He never misses a meeting and he's over two or three teams in the club."

Tyrone have already claimed promotion back to the top flight this season with a couple of games to spare and are once again regarded as realistic Ulster and All-Ireland contenders.

Now in his fourth season along the sidelines with Harte, Devlin couldn't be in a better place.

"It's something I try not to think too much about – standing with Mickey on the sideline – because there's a job to be done," he says.

"I know I'll look back some day and think that was one of my proudest moments standing on the sideline with Mickey.

"He's just a unique man. I always knew Mickey the manager; I always knew him, felt I always knew him.

"But it's only in the last few years I've got to know Mickey the man. He's a completely different chap.

"We'd be watching soccer games together – he'd be a big Manchester United fan and I'm a big Liverpool fan – we play golf together and we go and watch other teams playing."

Father of three sons, Devlin rarely looks in his rear view – his playing days, the silverware and post-match celebrations.

But he loved every minute of those days.

"In those years 'Horse' and me lived in each other's pockets," McGuigan says.

"We went to training together and when we were celebrating he was the life and soul of the party.

"He was a great man to be around. The following Tuesday after the celebrating, he'd have this big smile on his face and would go through all the stories of what happened over the weekend."

Laughing, McGuigan adds: "He loved all those soppy songs. He would burst into a Boyzone song and he'd tell you how much he loved you after a few drinks! Ach sure, you're young once."

Devlin hasn't had a beer since the day after last summer's All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Kerry.

"There were quite a lot of rogues on the Tyrone teams I played on," Devlin reflects with a smile.

"We were in each other's company since a young age – Mulligan, Brian, me, Cavlan, 'Hub' Hughes – we just had that chemistry.

"I'm happy with where I'm at now. I enjoyed it while it lasted. But would I go back and change it? Not a chance."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 23, 2016, 05:31:24 AM
Strange to think he only played 4 years inter county senior.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 23, 2016, 12:00:08 PM
I was surprised to read he quitted football even with the club at 26. Why was that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 23, 2016, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 23, 2016, 12:00:08 PM
I was surprised to read he quitted football even with the club at 26. Why was that?

From what I know Horse never had much time for the Ardboe cause. Maybe something to do with in fighting in the club - could be wrong but maybe some of the Ardboe posters could clarify?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
Just wondering what's the latest story with Niall McKenna?
I know he's been in and out of the panel over the years and had a few injuries but will we see him back in the team this year.

Actually looking at the 2008 AI winning minor team not too many made it through to the seniors.
Is McNabb sitting out the national league or where has he been this year?
Who was C.O'Neill at 15?


T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 24, 2016, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
Just wondering what's the latest story with Niall McKenna?
I know he's been in and out of the panel over the years and had a few injuries but will we see him back in the team this year.

Actually looking at the 2008 AI winning minor team not too many made it through to the seniors.
Is McNabb sitting out the national league or where has he been this year?
Who was C.O'Neill at 15?


T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).

Tim Harney made it to senior albeit not Tyrone. I think O Neill is Cathal from Derrytresk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on March 24, 2016, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
Just wondering what's the latest story with Niall McKenna?
I know he's been in and out of the panel over the years and had a few injuries but will we see him back in the team this year.

Actually looking at the 2008 AI winning minor team not too many made it through to the seniors.
Is McNabb sitting out the national league or where has he been this year?
Who was C.O'Neill at 15?


T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).

How many of that team still play football for club, never mind county?
Tim Harney - Transferred to Pearse Og in Armagh, Dont think he played much last year
Ronan Tierney - Havent heard his name mentioned for Errigal unless he plays 3rds?
Stephen McRory - Same as Tierney
Diarmaid McNulty - Heard talk he doesnt play anymore.

Add to the equation that the likes of Gavin Teague, Niall McKenna, Conor Gervin, Kyle Coney, Paddy McNeice and Conor O Neill (Dromore) always seem to be injured or not playing regularly for club.

I dont know all who was on the bench that year, but I would safely say alot of them dont play anymore either?

So called Golden Generation
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 24, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 24, 2016, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
Just wondering what's the latest story with Niall McKenna?
I know he's been in and out of the panel over the years and had a few injuries but will we see him back in the team this year.

Actually looking at the 2008 AI winning minor team not too many made it through to the seniors.
Is McNabb sitting out the national league or where has he been this year?
Who was C.O'Neill at 15?


T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).

Tim Harney made it to senior albeit not Tyrone. I think O Neill is Cathal from Derrytresk.

I think its actually Conor Oneill from Dromore
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 24, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 24, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 24, 2016, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
Just wondering what's the latest story with Niall McKenna?
I know he's been in and out of the panel over the years and had a few injuries but will we see him back in the team this year.

Actually looking at the 2008 AI winning minor team not too many made it through to the seniors.
Is McNabb sitting out the national league or where has he been this year?
Who was C.O'Neill at 15?


T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).

Tim Harney made it to senior albeit not Tyrone. I think O Neill is Cathal from Derrytresk.

I think its actually Conor Oneill from Dromore

I was wondering as I didn't recall the Tresk man being a scorer. He must've been 04.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 24, 2016, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
Just wondering what's the latest story with Niall McKenna?
I know he's been in and out of the panel over the years and had a few injuries but will we see him back in the team this year.

Actually looking at the 2008 AI winning minor team not too many made it through to the seniors.
Is McNabb sitting out the national league or where has he been this year?
Who was C.O'Neill at 15?


T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).

McNabb and McKenna are still part of the senior panel but are both recovering from long term injuries, in McNabb's case an ACL and I'd be surprised if he played any major role this year for us given the timeframe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 24, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
Wasn't Pickering the captain?  He still playing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
I know its often the way with minor teams that a lot fall by the wayside but that list seems hard to believe.

So do you think McKenna will make it this year? Like his dad he was a good fielder of the ball but seemed a bit slow or had no urgency from what I remember.

What about the big Omagh lad Grugan. Will he be back or has he gone too?
Will this Conlan lad make it this year? He looked good in the McKenna cup but haven't seem much of him since.

I know it's only March but who would your best 15 be at the moment?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 24, 2016, 03:04:58 PM
I'm not sure you ever really get many more than that through from a minor team to be honest.
There would be 3 regular starters barring injury (McNabb, Harte & Mattie Donnelly) and Mckenna, Mcniece & Coney have all played varying amounts of senior football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 24, 2016, 03:51:25 PM
If you look at the Mayo team that Tyrone beat that year then they only got 3 from it too (Hennelly, Keane and O'Shea). The Tyrone teams from 1997/98 were the exception to the norm with minors teams. I think all of that minor starting team from 2008 still play football barring the 2 errigal lads (though not 100% sure on that) and McNulty who I heard has retired although he has been one of the top forwards in Division 2 for the last 5 or 6 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on March 24, 2016, 06:44:07 PM
2008 Final: TYRONE: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).
Subs used: S Warnock for Teague (25-29 mins, blood sub), M Rogers for Keenan (47), K Mossey for MacRory (48), S Warnock for McNulty (49), B McGarvey for Tierney (78).

2010 Final: TYRONE: C Spiers; S McGarrity, C Clarke, HP McGeary; N Sludden (0-1), M Donaghy (0-1), E Deeney (0-1); H Óg Conlon (1-0), C Grugan (0-2); R Donnelly, T Canavan (0-1 free), R Devlin; S Tierney, J McCullagh (0-4), R Ó Néill (0-2, 0-1 free).
Subs: P McNulty for Donaghy (40), L Girvan for Devlin (48), D Donnelly for Tierney (54).

Out of the two minor winning teams we have brought through Peter Harte, Ronan McNabb, Mattie Donnelly, Niall McKenna, HP McGeary, Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill, Conor Clarke and Padraig McNulty onto the current senior panel and all are set to play key parts in the coming year with the exception maybe of Clarke and McKenna.
10 Minors through to seniors with 8 of those being key players within the squad isnt the worst of returns.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on March 24, 2016, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on March 24, 2016, 06:44:07 PM
2008 Final: TYRONE: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).
Subs used: S Warnock for Teague (25-29 mins, blood sub), M Rogers for Keenan (47), K Mossey for MacRory (48), S Warnock for McNulty (49), B McGarvey for Tierney (78).

2010 Final: TYRONE: C Spiers; S McGarrity, C Clarke, HP McGeary; N Sludden (0-1), M Donaghy (0-1), E Deeney (0-1); H Óg Conlon (1-0), C Grugan (0-2); R Donnelly, T Canavan (0-1 free), R Devlin; S Tierney, J McCullagh (0-4), R Ó Néill (0-2, 0-1 free).
Subs: P McNulty for Donaghy (40), L Girvan for Devlin (48), D Donnelly for Tierney (54).

Out of the two minor winning teams we have brought through Peter Harte, Ronan McNabb, Mattie Donnelly, Niall McKenna, HP McGeary, Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill, Conor Clarke and Padraig McNulty onto the current senior panel and all are set to play key parts in the coming year with the exception maybe of Clarke and McKenna.
10 Minors through to seniors with 8 of those being key players within the squad isnt the worst of returns.
Forgot McCurry was an unused sub on the 2010 team which is another.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 25, 2016, 08:34:40 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on March 24, 2016, 06:44:07 PM
2008 Final: TYRONE: T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).
Subs used: S Warnock for Teague (25-29 mins, blood sub), M Rogers for Keenan (47), K Mossey for MacRory (48), S Warnock for McNulty (49), B McGarvey for Tierney (78).

2010 Final: TYRONE: C Spiers; S McGarrity, C Clarke, HP McGeary; N Sludden (0-1), M Donaghy (0-1), E Deeney (0-1); H Óg Conlon (1-0), C Grugan (0-2); R Donnelly, T Canavan (0-1 free), R Devlin; S Tierney, J McCullagh (0-4), R Ó Néill (0-2, 0-1 free).
Subs: P McNulty for Donaghy (40), L Girvan for Devlin (48), D Donnelly for Tierney (54).

Out of the two minor winning teams we have brought through Peter Harte, Ronan McNabb, Mattie Donnelly, Niall McKenna, HP McGeary, Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill, Conor Clarke and Padraig McNulty onto the current senior panel and all are set to play key parts in the coming year with the exception maybe of Clarke and McKenna.
10 Minors through to seniors with 8 of those being key players within the squad isnt the worst of returns.

When you look at the 2009 minor panel, you can see that the backbone of this squad is made up of the 2008-2010 minor sides as at minor in 2009 were:

Tiernan McCann
McNamee
Morgan
Tierney
McAliskey

Tyrone suffered a narrow defeat to Armagh at minor level in 2009, who went on to the capture the AI that year. If Ulster had a backdoor like the other provinces have then I'm pretty sure they would have been competing at the business end for an AI that year.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 25, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
I know its often the way with minor teams that a lot fall by the wayside but that list seems hard to believe.

So do you think McKenna will make it this year? Like his dad he was a good fielder of the ball but seemed a bit slow or had no urgency from what I remember.

What about the big Omagh lad Grugan. Will he be back or has he gone too?
Will this Conlan lad make it this year? He looked good in the McKenna cup but haven't seem much of him since.

I know it's only March but who would your best 15 be at the moment?

I don't know what McKenna cup games you were at but I was at all of them and Conlan was v. poor, would have been one of the ones after the campaign I'd have looked at and said "didn't take his chance, he'll be one to go when the cut is made".
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 25, 2016, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on March 25, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
I know its often the way with minor teams that a lot fall by the wayside but that list seems hard to believe.

So do you think McKenna will make it this year? Like his dad he was a good fielder of the ball but seemed a bit slow or had no urgency from what I remember.

What about the big Omagh lad Grugan. Will he be back or has he gone too?
Will this Conlan lad make it this year? He looked good in the McKenna cup but haven't seem much of him since.

I know it's only March but who would your best 15 be at the moment?

I don't know what McKenna cup games you were at but I was at all of them and Conlan was v. poor, would have been one of the ones after the campaign I'd have looked at and said "didn't take his chance, he'll be one to go when the cut is made".

I believe Conlon has already been dropped from the panel along with Patrick Quinn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 25, 2016, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on March 25, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
I know its often the way with minor teams that a lot fall by the wayside but that list seems hard to believe.

So do you think McKenna will make it this year? Like his dad he was a good fielder of the ball but seemed a bit slow or had no urgency from what I remember.

What about the big Omagh lad Grugan. Will he be back or has he gone too?
Will this Conlan lad make it this year? He looked good in the McKenna cup but haven't seem much of him since.

I know it's only March but who would your best 15 be at the moment?

I don't know what McKenna cup games you were at but I was at all of them and Conlan was v. poor, would have been one of the ones after the campaign I'd have looked at and said "didn't take his chance, he'll be one to go when the cut is made".

I think Conlon was unlucky in that he was played out of position at wing forward and full forward but you do need to have versatility.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 25, 2016, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
Just wondering what's the latest story with Niall McKenna?
I know he's been in and out of the panel over the years and had a few injuries but will we see him back in the team this year.

Actually looking at the 2008 AI winning minor team not too many made it through to the seniors.
Is McNabb sitting out the national league or where has he been this year?
Who was C.O'Neill at 15?


T Harney; F McQuaid, G Teague, R Tierney (0-02); S MacRory, P Harte (0-01, 0-01 pen), R McNabb (0-01); N McKenna (0-02), R Keenan; C Gervin (0-01), D McNulty, M Donnelly (0-02); K Coney (0-05), P McNeice (0-03, 0-03f), C O'Neill (1-03, 0-02f).


How many are you expecting to come through fella?? Theres be 7 minor teams since then. If yoou get 3 players to come  through as a regular key player you are doing well. Give me donnelly and harte out of a minor team every 2 years and no one else and i'd be happy.

Conlan looked very lathargic in the games i seen, don't think he suits the way we play, was slow at tracking back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 26, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
I don't like to blame referee's for a result but on this occasion the ref was to blame a great deal. Still it doesn't really matter for us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 26, 2016, 08:52:47 PM
Just back from it, we were poor, they are awful, cant believe we threw that away. Conditions played a big part
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 26, 2016, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 26, 2016, 08:52:47 PM
Just back from it, we were poor, they are awful, cant believe we threw that away. Conditions played a big part

Agree. Hampsey should have been off in the second half. Peter Harte a big miss. Mark Bradley missed a few easy chances. The list could go on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on March 26, 2016, 11:03:58 PM
The worst I have seen them in a long time, maybe on a par with second half Monaghan at the start of the NFL last year.

Hopefully makes them wake up and smell the coffee as the hype was getting stupid. Long way tongo yet before we are genuine AI candidates.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on March 26, 2016, 11:12:31 PM
While Tyrone weren't great I wouldn't get carried away just yet. To be honest most of them looked like they were going through the motions and even at that they should have had enough to win.

It was nowhere near as bad as the game against Meath in the qualifiers last year and within weeks they were 10 minutes from an All Ireland final. Oddly for the first 15 minutes of the second half it looked like they had abandoned the sweeper. It wasn't a game to take much from. The main worry was Peter Harte's injury!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 27, 2016, 10:44:59 AM
This doesn't look good for McCarron. Time to cut our losses on him?

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/news/tyrone-star-quizzed-over-girl-15
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on March 27, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
He wasn't charged so I see no need to do that. The Subday World is a shameless paper, he was questioned last year but they time their story coincidentally around the Adam Johnson conviction. If he was charged then I would say get rid but on this evidence I don't think it's warranted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 27, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2016, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 26, 2016, 08:52:47 PM
Just back from it, we were poor, they are awful, cant believe we threw that away. Conditions played a big part

Agree. Hampsey should have been off in the second half. Peter Harte a big miss. Mark Bradley missed a few easy chances. The list could go on.
I didn't think Hampsey did much wrong. His man was not involved in the first half but I was at the wrong end to see how we got on in the second.
I didn't think there were too many you could pick out as having better than average displays. The conditions and lack of something to play for were big factors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 27, 2016, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: TF15 on March 27, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
He wasn't charged so I see no need to do that. The Subday World is a shameless paper, he was questioned last year but they time their story coincidentally around the Adam Johnson conviction. If he was charged then I would say get rid but on this evidence I don't think it's warranted.

As far as I can read into it, he was questioned and the case has been passed on to the prosecutor so he may still be charged. Whether true or not, the fact that it's another unsavoury scandal with McCarron doesn't bode well and this is an extremely sinister thing he has been accused of.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 27, 2016, 01:48:12 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 27, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2016, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 26, 2016, 08:52:47 PM
Just back from it, we were poor, they are awful, cant believe we threw that away. Conditions played a big part

Agree. Hampsey should have been off in the second half. Peter Harte a big miss. Mark Bradley missed a few easy chances. The list could go on.
I didn't think Hampsey did much wrong. His man was not involved in the first half but I was at the wrong end to see how we got on in the second.
I didn't think there were too many you could pick out as having better than average displays. The conditions and lack of something to play for were big factors.

I don't think Hampsey did much wrong either. But there was something wrong with the defence. Armagh were cutting through very easily. A few changes may have helped firm that line up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on March 27, 2016, 02:05:50 PM
Was Hampsey not marking Watters who kicked two from play in the first half?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on March 27, 2016, 02:28:38 PM
I would nt class myself a genius at the old stats but it seems that when paddy mcnulty is introduced Tyrone always go dangerously close to losing ! Last night they had the added bonus if an extra man but again they threw away a match winning league ! This won't do against quality teams like Dinegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 28, 2016, 08:48:08 AM
Is there nothing that can be done with the drainage in Healy park. I know there was a lot of rain on sat morning but a county pitch really should be fit to deal with that. When u have stewards out sweeping the pitch with brushes before a game isn't good enough. That's the last county game on it till next year. The problem would be Omagh would miss there/few home games. Surely in this day and age it wouldn't be a big job. It would be money well invested in the future. Who owns the pitch. Omagh or the county board
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 28, 2016, 09:22:47 AM
Omagh need to pay for it, like any other club would
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 28, 2016, 09:41:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 27, 2016, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: TF15 on March 27, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
He wasn't charged so I see no need to do that. The Subday World is a shameless paper, he was questioned last year but they time their story coincidentally around the Adam Johnson conviction. If he was charged then I would say get rid but on this evidence I don't think it's warranted.

As far as I can read into it, he was questioned and the case has been passed on to the prosecutor so he may still be charged. Whether true or not, the fact that it's another unsavoury scandal with McCarron doesn't bode well and this is an extremely sinister thing he has been accused of.

Typical of us here in Ireland, kick a man when's he's down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on March 28, 2016, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: redzone on March 28, 2016, 08:48:08 AM
Is there nothing that can be done with the drainage in Healy park. I know there was a lot of rain on sat morning but a county pitch really should be fit to deal with that. When u have stewards out sweeping the pitch with brushes before a game isn't good enough. That's the last county game on it till next year. The problem would be Omagh would miss there/few home games. Surely in this day and age it wouldn't be a big job. It would be money well invested in the future. Who owns the pitch. Omagh or the county board

Last county game until next year?

If involved in back door, where will they play their home qualifiers?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 28, 2016, 10:30:37 AM
Front door al the way gaffer this year lad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 28, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 28, 2016, 08:48:08 AM
Is there nothing that can be done with the drainage in Healy park. I know there was a lot of rain on sat morning but a county pitch really should be fit to deal with that. When u have stewards out sweeping the pitch with brushes before a game isn't good enough. That's the last county game on it till next year. The problem would be Omagh would miss there/few home games. Surely in this day and age it wouldn't be a big job. It would be money well invested in the future. Who owns the pitch. Omagh or the county board

I'm pretty sure there are currently plans to replace the entire playing surface at Healy Park with new grass. I'd assume they might carry out some extra work during that to address problems with drainage etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on March 28, 2016, 03:37:08 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 28, 2016, 09:41:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 27, 2016, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: TF15 on March 27, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
He wasn't charged so I see no need to do that. The Subday World is a shameless paper, he was questioned last year but they time their story coincidentally around the Adam Johnson conviction. If he was charged then I would say get rid but on this evidence I don't think it's warranted.

As far as I can read into it, he was questioned and the case has been passed on to the prosecutor so he may still be charged. Whether true or not, the fact that it's another unsavoury scandal with McCarron doesn't bode well and this is an extremely sinister thing he has been accused of.

Typical of us here in Ireland, kick a man when's he's down.

What nonsense. He wouldn't be getting kicked when he is down if he did not continue to be an idiot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: general_lee on March 29, 2016, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 27, 2016, 10:44:59 AM
This doesn't look good for McCarron. Time to cut our losses on him?

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/news/tyrone-star-quizzed-over-girl-15
seems the Sunday World have removed this? All lies?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 29, 2016, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: general_lee on March 29, 2016, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 27, 2016, 10:44:59 AM
This doesn't look good for McCarron. Time to cut our losses on him?

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/news/tyrone-star-quizzed-over-girl-15
seems the Sunday World have removed this? All lies?

I can't believe that people still buy that muck of a paper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: general_lee on March 29, 2016, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 29, 2016, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: general_lee on March 29, 2016, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 27, 2016, 10:44:59 AM
This doesn't look good for McCarron. Time to cut our losses on him?

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/news/tyrone-star-quizzed-over-girl-15
seems the Sunday World have removed this? All lies?

I can't believe that people still buy that muck of a paper.
Neither do I but you'd think they're gonna print something so damning on an individual they might actually stand by what they claim
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 31, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
Anyone got the team and scorers from last night?  :-*
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 31, 2016, 11:13:45 AM
TYRONE 1-15  DONEGAL 2-8

Tyrone's defence of their Ulster and All-Ireland Under-21 titles remains on course despite a big scare against Donegal in an action-packed semi-final at Celtic Park.

Ryan Coleman's goal sent Tyrone on their way, but Donegal will reflect and wonder just how they didn't have their tickets stamped for a fourth successive provincial decider at this level.

Tyrone goaled in the 38th minute. A shot from Mark Kavanagh careered off the upright, but fell neatly for Coleman, who smashed an effort into the top corner of the Donegal net.

Donegal's response was instant and Conor Doherty shot low to the Tyrone net, but Tyrone hit back and landed seven-in-a-row, including a sideline kick from Lee Brennan.

Donegal had seen Sean Fox, the Tyrone goalkeeper deny Stephen McBrearty and Jamie Brennan with good saves, but Donegal were reflecting on how they weren't more than 0-6 to 0-4 ahead at the break.

While McBrearty netted a penalty late in the night for Donegal, the damage had been done – and, agonisingly for them, it was largely of their own doing.

Donegal kicked six wides in the first half and were made pay as Brennan and Cathal McShane led the Tyrone fightback.

Although goalkeeper Fox was black carded before McBrearty netted the penalty, Tyrone reeled off the scores to give them the win. Donegal finished with 13 men as Stephen McMenamin and Bruce Waldron were sent off.

Scorers for Tyrone: R Coleman 1-2, L Brennan 0-5 (3fs) M Kavanagh, C McShane (1f) 0-2 each, S O'Donnell, S Loughran, F Burns, S Fox 0-1 each.

Scorers for Donegal: S McBrearty 1-5 (1-0pen, 3fs), C Doherty 1-0, C O'Donnell, C Bonner 0-1, C Thompson (f) each

Donegal: D Rodgers; C Morrison, K Gillespie, J O'Brien; S McMenamin, E McGrath, A McClean; C O'Donnell, C Thompson; C Bonner, E Gallagher, S McBrearty; J Brennan, C McGonagle, M Carroll.

Subs: C Doherty for Brennan (32), M Coyle for Bonner (40), B Waldron for McGonagle (black card, 42), C Mulligan for McClean (46), A Neely for O'Donnell (54), Jack Scally for O'Brien (58).

Tyrone: S Fox; C McCann, P Teague, S Hamill; C Byrne, S Loughran, M O'Neill; C McShane, B McDonnell; M Kavanagh, F Burns, D Mulgrew; L Brennan, R Coleman, S Fox.

Subs: M McKernan for Teague (15), J Harkin for McDonnell (black card, 17), R McGlone for O'Neill (50), for McShane (54), S O'Donnell for Kavanagh (58) R McGeary for Fox (black card, 60).

Referee: B Cassidy (Derry).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 03, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
Well lads, now the 7 initial league games are done and dusted,  what's the verdict? Can we discount the most recent two results on the basis that we'd already qualified?

Whilst we seemed comfortable enough in most games, bearing in mind these were all Div 2 teams, I'd be slightly concerned we didn't really really blow anybody away bar Derry.

I'd also be a bit concerned that nobody has emerged as a really consistent prolific scorer. Would've expecited to see at least one of O'Neill, Skeet, Mccurry or Cavanagh put up a few big tallies. From what I can remember O'Neills 1-2 from play v Meath was the biggest scored from play from any of those lads and Mccurry in particular seems to be struggling for form. Maybe the way we play doesn't lend itself to consistently big tallies from one particular forward but if these are all the scores we can manage v Div 2 sides id be a wee bit worried about what would happen against the likes of Donegal/ Kerry etc
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 03, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
Well lads, now the 7 initial league games are done and dusted,  what's the verdict? Can we discount the most recent two results on the basis that we'd already qualified?

Whilst we seemed comfortable enough in most games, bearing in mind these were all Div 2 teams, I'd be slightly concerned we didn't really really blow anybody away bar Derry.

I'd also be a bit concerned that nobody has emerged as a really consistent prolific scorer. Would've expecited to see at least one of O'Neill, Skeet, Mccurry or Cavanagh put up a few big tallies. From what I can remember O'Neills 1-2 from play v Meath was the biggest scored from play from any of those lads and Mccurry in particular seems to be struggling for form. Maybe the way we play doesn't lend itself to consistently big tallies from one particular forward but if these are all the scores we can manage v Div 2 sides id be a wee bit worried about what would happen against the likes of Donegal/ Kerry etc

I'm worried about our killer touch in front of goals. We pass up too many goal chances. McCurry has struggled but good to see O'Neill doing well. We have been very comfortable in some games but failed to maje our dominance count and had nervy endings to a few games.

Free taking would still be a worry from 35 to 45 yard range. Don't seem to have found the answer yet anyway. Big plus has been how some of the new faces of this year and last have equipped themselves abd really kicked on, Richie Donnelly in particular.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 03, 2016, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 03, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
Well lads, now the 7 initial league games are done and dusted,  what's the verdict? Can we discount the most recent two results on the basis that we'd already qualified?

Whilst we seemed comfortable enough in most games, bearing in mind these were all Div 2 teams, I'd be slightly concerned we didn't really really blow anybody away bar Derry.

I'd also be a bit concerned that nobody has emerged as a really consistent prolific scorer. Would've expecited to see at least one of O'Neill, Skeet, Mccurry or Cavanagh put up a few big tallies. From what I can remember O'Neills 1-2 from play v Meath was the biggest scored from play from any of those lads and Mccurry in particular seems to be struggling for form. Maybe the way we play doesn't lend itself to consistently big tallies from one particular forward but if these are all the scores we can manage v Div 2 sides id be a wee bit worried about what would happen against the likes of Donegal/ Kerry etc

I'm worried about our killer touch in front of goals. We pass up too many goal chances. McCurry has struggled but good to see O'Neill doing well. We have been very comfortable in some games but failed to maje our dominance count and had nervy endings to a few games.

Free taking would still be a worry from 35 to 45 yard range. Don't seem to have found the answer yet anyway. Big plus has been how some of the new faces of this year and last have equipped themselves abd really kicked on, Richie Donnelly in particular.

Yeah agreed. Richie's been impressive and I'd say, barring injury, he's nailed down to start v Derry considering how well he's played both times he's faced them so far this year. Niall sudden has been great considering its his first year,  Rory Brennan has kicked on and Tiernan Mccann seems to be developing into a really key player and a leader. Happy with how we're shaping up at the minute bar the full forward line really
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on April 07, 2016, 11:56:41 AM
Monaghan relieved Tyrone of the Ulster U21 title with a brilliant 0-13 to 0-11 victory secured in swirling wind and pouring rain at the Athletic Grounds.

Disappointing result last night for the lads. Personally i felt they didnt take enough advantage of their dominance in the first half and only going in a point up was not reflective of their excellent first half performance. Defensively Tyrone gave away some soft free kicks which kept Monaghan in touch. Was disappointed by the performance of the bigger players on the team - Burns, McShane, Mulgrew and Kavanagh.
Was impressed with a Hamill and McKernan in the full back line and by Fox and Brennan in the forward line. Brennan is something special, the sideline point was spectacular, but unfortunately was the only scoring threat tyrone carried.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on April 07, 2016, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 07, 2016, 11:56:41 AM
Monaghan relieved Tyrone of the Ulster U21 title with a brilliant 0-13 to 0-11 victory secured in swirling wind and pouring rain at the Athletic Grounds.

Disappointing result last night for the lads. Personally i felt they didnt take enough advantage of their dominance in the first half and only going in a point up was not reflective of their excellent first half performance. Defensively Tyrone gave away some soft free kicks which kept Monaghan in touch. Was disappointed by the performance of the bigger players on the team - Burns, McShane, Mulgrew and Kavanagh.
Was impressed with a Hamill and McKernan in the full back line and by Fox and Brennan in the forward line. Brennan is something special, the sideline point was spectacular, but unfortunately was the only scoring threat tyrone carried.

And Sean Fox's kickouts were truly awful. He gave away 4 or 5 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 07, 2016, 01:05:35 PM
sean was the reason tyrone were in the final so dont be to critical of him conditions were against his kickouts for 45 mins as wind changed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on April 07, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
I think its very short sighted to say Fox was to blame. The short kickout strategy was obviously the tactic the management wanted to use. If he had kicked it long, they may not have won any kickouts as the Monaghan team looked physically stronger than Tyrone. Fox has been key to many victories in the past with his kickouts and in any case, the short kickout only works, if the outfield players show for the ball and create space.

I would have to question the decision making of some of the forwards, shooting from impossible angles and distances. Being greedy and not taking the right option for the team. The big players didn't perform with the exception of Lee Brennan. Fair play to Dinky! Not easy to come up against your own county, but he made sure that Frank Burns had a limited impact on the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on April 07, 2016, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on April 07, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
I think its very short sighted to say Fox was to blame. The short kickout strategy was obviously the tactic the management wanted to use. If he had kicked it long, they may not have won any kickouts as the Monaghan team looked physically stronger than Tyrone. Fox has been key to many victories in the past with his kickouts and in any case, the short kickout only works, if the outfield players show for the ball and create space.

I would have to question the decision making of some of the forwards, shooting from impossible angles and distances. Being greedy and not taking the right option for the team. The big players didn't perform with the exception of Lee Brennan. Fair play to Dinky! Not easy to come up against your own county, but he made sure that Frank Burns had a limited impact on the game.

I'm not blaming Sean Fox. I'm saying his kickouts were poor. That may have contributed to the defeat but certainly wasn't the only reason. Tyrone were very poor up front. The high ball in didn't work and they struggled to break down the Monaghan defence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on April 08, 2016, 10:29:58 AM
Game was lost on the line , very simple
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on April 08, 2016, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on April 08, 2016, 10:29:58 AM
Game was lost on the line , very simple
How exactly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on April 08, 2016, 11:42:56 AM
Holding back Burns and McShane from driving forward , not taking off certain players in 1st half, persisting with short kickouts when everyone could see Monaghan were going man to man, not lining out when told to by ref at very start, dropping players back far too deep,   .  But thats just how I saw it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 08, 2016, 01:00:16 PM
Any word on whether Mickey will give Burns the call?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on April 12, 2016, 04:59:01 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/04/12/news/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-pays-tribute-to-retiring-pj-quinn-483708/

PJ Quinn now gone didn't even realise he had the celtic cross in the hip pocket - should be a good boost to Moortown this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on April 13, 2016, 09:31:58 AM
Was also just thinking to myself there would PJ be one of the last tradesmen to play for the county? They where the norm years ago but the demands of the game mean that they are an endangered species which is a sad IMO!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on April 13, 2016, 10:48:43 AM
Burns and Fox called up.
http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/04/county-senior-call-ups-for-fox-and-burns/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on April 13, 2016, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 13, 2016, 09:31:58 AM
Was also just thinking to myself there would PJ be one of the last tradesmen to play for the county? They where the norm years ago but the demands of the game mean that they are an endangered species which is a sad IMO!

Not sure if he's still working at the trade but I know he opened a women's sports clothing shop in cookstown a while back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on April 13, 2016, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on April 13, 2016, 10:48:43 AM
Burns and Fox called up.
http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/04/county-senior-call-ups-for-fox-and-burns/

Great news for both lads but I don't think either would make some of the top club teams in the county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on April 13, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
WHAT???? your heads away, Fox plays for Killyclogher, one of the top teams, beaten in county final last year! also started for UUJ ahead on the Monaghan keeper! Burns has been a starter for the Tyrone U21 the last 3 years and starter for UUJ the last 2 years. What club team would they not start for????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on April 13, 2016, 05:31:49 PM
Disagree about Burns. However, I'd say that Fox certainly isn't the 3rd best GK in Tyrone. The fact he's called in is more due to his understanding of the Tyrone system/kickout strategy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on April 13, 2016, 07:19:41 PM
Burns would make any club team in Tyrone. And as for goalkeepers I don't think there's any real outstanding club goalkeeper from what I have seen the past few years. Who would you call up instead of fox?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on April 13, 2016, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 13, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
WHAT???? your heads away, Fox plays for Killyclogher, one of the top teams, beaten in county final last year! also started for UUJ ahead on the Monaghan keeper! Burns has been a starter for the Tyrone U21 the last 3 years and starter for UUJ the last 2 years. What club team would they not start for????

Fox wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe dromore or errigal teams burns wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe omagh dromore carrickmore teams
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 13, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
Dromore!!!!! Seriously...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 13, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
what a nonesenscial argument. sean fox is there on merit and rightly so hes already played league and has a wealth of underage experience ,for him not to make certain club teams is a pure dung argument. im sure the only club team he has to make is his own club team hes been incredibly consistent for his club and deserves a chance. as for burns havent seen enough of him but im sure he will provide suitable cover and act as the usual cannon fodder for the famous inhouse games ahem. feel for the plunketts along with trillick and ourselves crucified by the cumbersome panel numbers. clonoe have it right 2 players arnd no more and if your not starting tell mickey to pick a few younger pilgrims. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2016, 10:39:40 PM
I assume someone is on the wind up about burns.

Also having county players didn't do trillick any harm last year. They won the championship with 4 of them. Killyclogher got to the final with 3/4 as well. The year before that omagh won it with about 6.

Out of interest how many players do you think Harte should have in the squad? Do you think he should make ten changes every week to keep everyone happy?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 13, 2016, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 13, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
what a nonesenscial argument. sean fox is there on merit and rightly so hes already played league and has a wealth of underage experience ,for him not to make certain club teams is a pure dung argument. im sure the only club team he has to make is his own club team hes been incredibly consistent for his club and deserves a chance. as for burns havent seen enough of him but im sure he will provide suitable cover and act as the usual cannon fodder for the famous inhouse games ahem. feel for the plunketts along with trillick and ourselves crucified by the cumbersome panel numbers. clonoe have it right 2 players arnd no more and if your not starting tell mickey to pick a few younger pilgrims.

How many does Harte have in the squad at the minute. From this season if you're not in the 26 named in Thursday you can play in that weekend's league game- if there is a game on. That's correct isn't it?

However that still means that in the previous weekend e.g weekend before Derry v Tyrone you miss out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2016, 10:43:36 PM
Think there was around 34/35 for the league. That included pj Quinn, joe McMahon, McKenna, mcnabb who were injured. Also included 3 u21s who were unavailable for a good bit of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on April 13, 2016, 10:53:56 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 13, 2016, 10:17:22 PM
what a nonesenscial argument. sean fox is there on merit and rightly so hes already played league and has a wealth of underage experience ,for him not to make certain club teams is a pure dung argument. im sure the only club team he has to make is his own club team hes been incredibly consistent for his club and deserves a chance. as for burns havent seen enough of him but im sure he will provide suitable cover and act as the usual cannon fodder for the famous inhouse games ahem. feel for the plunketts along with trillick and ourselves crucified by the cumbersome panel numbers. clonoe have it right 2 players arnd no more and if your not starting tell mickey to pick a few younger pilgrims.

I agree, having three men on the senior panel will seriously affect us this year. Championship looks to be the best bet for promotion. Can't see us gathering enough points to even make the league playoffs without them men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 13, 2016, 11:25:32 PM
Absolute rubbish about Burns and Fox, both deserve their shot and have put in the graft at u 21.

List of teams you mentioned above burns would walk on to any day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on April 14, 2016, 09:03:34 AM
Burns is a very talented footballer and would walk onto a lot of teams including my own club from that list. As for Fox, he is a safe keeper - the likely hood is he will no be called into action, so its not such a big deal. On the other hand, I am glad Mickey O'Neill will be starting in nets. Morgan is not offering what he initially did. O'Neill has more control and in my opinion is the right option for Tyrone for the rest of the year, not just the league final and potential first round of Ulster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on April 14, 2016, 10:12:09 AM
burns would make any team in tyrone easily. fox on the other hand, i wouldn't be so sure. greg kelly is back doing nets for us after being in England for a while and imo would be a superior keeper to fox.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on April 14, 2016, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: clarshack on April 14, 2016, 10:12:09 AM
burns would make any team in tyrone easily. fox on the other hand, i wouldn't be so sure. greg kelly is back doing nets for us after being in England for a while and imo would be a superior keeper to fox.

Let us not remember his appearance for Tyrone minors vs Down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 14, 2016, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on April 13, 2016, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 13, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
WHAT???? your heads away, Fox plays for Killyclogher, one of the top teams, beaten in county final last year! also started for UUJ ahead on the Monaghan keeper! Burns has been a starter for the Tyrone U21 the last 3 years and starter for UUJ the last 2 years. What club team would they not start for????

Fox wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe dromore or errigal teams burns wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe omagh dromore carrickmore teams

Burns wouldn't start for Carrickmore??? I've seen a fair few ridiculous comments being posted on here but that may well be the worst yet..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on April 14, 2016, 01:36:38 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 14, 2016, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on April 13, 2016, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 13, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
WHAT???? your heads away, Fox plays for Killyclogher, one of the top teams, beaten in county final last year! also started for UUJ ahead on the Monaghan keeper! Burns has been a starter for the Tyrone U21 the last 3 years and starter for UUJ the last 2 years. What club team would they not start for????

Fox wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe dromore or errigal teams burns wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe omagh dromore carrickmore teams

Burns wouldn't start for Carrickmore??? I've seen a fair few ridiculous comments being posted on here but that may well be the worst yet..

Carrickmore? Who are they?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on April 14, 2016, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 14, 2016, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on April 13, 2016, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 13, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
WHAT???? your heads away, Fox plays for Killyclogher, one of the top teams, beaten in county final last year! also started for UUJ ahead on the Monaghan keeper! Burns has been a starter for the Tyrone U21 the last 3 years and starter for UUJ the last 2 years. What club team would they not start for????

Fox wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe dromore or errigal teams burns wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe omagh dromore carrickmore teams

Burns wouldn't start for Carrickmore??? I've seen a fair few ridiculous comments being posted on here but that may well be the worst yet..

Im not saying he wouldn't start for Carrickmore but out of interest in what position do you think he would play?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gonzalo15 on April 14, 2016, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: WBF on April 14, 2016, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 14, 2016, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on April 13, 2016, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 13, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
WHAT???? your heads away, Fox plays for Killyclogher, one of the top teams, beaten in county final last year! also started for UUJ ahead on the Monaghan keeper! Burns has been a starter for the Tyrone U21 the last 3 years and starter for UUJ the last 2 years. What club team would they not start for????

Fox wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe dromore or errigal teams burns wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe omagh dromore carrickmore teams

Burns wouldn't start for Carrickmore??? I've seen a fair few ridiculous comments being posted on here but that may well be the worst yet..

Im not saying he wouldn't start for Carrickmore but out of interest in what position do you think he would play?

half back/ half forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 14, 2016, 03:26:51 PM
Quote from: WBF on April 14, 2016, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 14, 2016, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on April 13, 2016, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 13, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
WHAT???? your heads away, Fox plays for Killyclogher, one of the top teams, beaten in county final last year! also started for UUJ ahead on the Monaghan keeper! Burns has been a starter for the Tyrone U21 the last 3 years and starter for UUJ the last 2 years. What club team would they not start for????

Fox wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe dromore or errigal teams burns wouldn't make Coalisland Clonoe omagh dromore carrickmore teams

Burns wouldn't start for Carrickmore??? I've seen a fair few ridiculous comments being posted on here but that may well be the worst yet..

Im not saying he wouldn't start for Carrickmore but out of interest in what position do you think he would play?
Jesus lads.  :-\
He could play anywhere in the middle 8, for any club in Tyrone.

I think some of you are being a bit hard on Fox as well.
He is a  bit behind ONeill & Morgan, but apart from that deserves his chance now that Morgan is injured.
Curran has had his chance, and left the panel, I dont see many other standout candidates being over looked.

Remember , both these lads are still U21.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 16, 2016, 03:30:07 PM
Tyrone minors beat Armagh by 6 to reach league final versus Donegal. The u-17s beat Cavan heavily to reach their final, also versus Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 19, 2016, 12:24:09 PM
Joe McMahon - is he still on the panel? Hardly likely to see game time this year if he hasnt kicked a ball to date
and if he doesnt play this year is that the end of another great career for tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 19, 2016, 01:42:27 PM
Quote from: God14 on April 19, 2016, 12:24:09 PM
Joe McMahon - is he still on the panel? Hardly likely to see game time this year if he hasnt kicked a ball to date
and if he doesnt play this year is that the end of another great career for tyrone?

Joey hadn't played much at this stage last year either but was still making a big contribution in the Qualifiers before he got injured. Think he is still in the panel and definitely worth keeping him for the rest of this year at least. Quality footballer and still has a lot to offer IMO, especially in the sweeper role. Tyrone aren't blessed with a lot of big men in comparison to other counties, and a lot of our more experienced heads have moved on in recent years so worth having Joey around if only for these reasons.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on April 19, 2016, 02:11:31 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 19, 2016, 01:42:27 PM
Quote from: God14 on April 19, 2016, 12:24:09 PM
Joe McMahon - is he still on the panel? Hardly likely to see game time this year if he hasnt kicked a ball to date
and if he doesnt play this year is that the end of another great career for tyrone?

Joey hadn't played much at this stage last year either but was still making a big contribution in the Qualifiers before he got injured. Think he is still in the panel and definitely worth keeping him for the rest of this year at least. Quality footballer and still has a lot to offer IMO, especially in the sweeper role. Tyrone aren't blessed with a lot of big men in comparison to other counties, and a lot of our more experienced heads have moved on in recent years so worth having Joey around if only for these reasons.could not agree more with you Packie! Big Joe is a great player to have in reserve ! Mary's the time he has came on to steady things fir Tyrone! A real down to earth guy just like his siblings and father!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 20, 2016, 09:56:16 PM
McMahon was interviewed about a month back saying he hoped to be back in contention around the end of April. A good option to have as mentioned earlier, easily one of the most underrated players in the country, there are few I can think of who have operated at such a high level in numerous positions over the last 15 years.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 20, 2016, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 10:49:15 PM
Racism storm brewing... manager of underage victims of racism should have taken his team off the field and gone home. watch this space
So the team stayed to finish the game despite the racism?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on April 20, 2016, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 20, 2016, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 10:49:15 PM
Racism storm brewing... manager of underage victims of racism should have taken his team off the field and gone home. watch this space
So the team stayed to finish the game despite the racism?

Has the original comment been deleted? What happened?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 20, 2016, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on April 20, 2016, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 20, 2016, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 10:49:15 PM
Racism storm brewing... manager of underage victims of racism should have taken his team off the field and gone home. watch this space
So the team stayed to finish the game despite the racism?

Has the original comment been deleted? What happened?

aye is doing the rounds but maybe I jumped too soon.... we'll see what happens....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 21, 2016, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on April 20, 2016, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 20, 2016, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 10:49:15 PM
Racism storm brewing... manager of underage victims of racism should have taken his team off the field and gone home. watch this space
So the team stayed to finish the game despite the racism?

Has the original comment been deleted? What happened?

aye is doing the rounds but maybe I jumped too soon.... we'll see what happens....

"Doing the rounds"?

So it's instantiated then. That you Declan Bonner?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 21, 2016, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 21, 2016, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on April 20, 2016, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 20, 2016, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 20, 2016, 10:49:15 PM
Racism storm brewing... manager of underage victims of racism should have taken his team off the field and gone home. watch this space
So the team stayed to finish the game despite the racism?

Has the original comment been deleted? What happened?

aye is doing the rounds but maybe I jumped too soon.... we'll see what happens....

"Doing the rounds"?

So it's instantiated then. That you Declan Bonner?

'instantiated'?  :o   aye as I said i jumped too soon and deleted it soon after but someone put it back up...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 21, 2016, 10:39:36 AM
Unsubstantiated.

S***e phone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 21, 2016, 11:18:39 AM
near enough but yeah hands up I shouldn't have put that comment up....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 21, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 21, 2016, 11:18:39 AM
near enough but yeah hands up I shouldn't have put that comment up....

Fair play.

We are all guilty of jumping in the odd time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on April 21, 2016, 04:28:41 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 21, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 21, 2016, 11:18:39 AM
near enough but yeah hands up I shouldn't have put that comment up....

Fair play.

We are all guilty of jumping in the odd time.

The story is fact to an extent. There was racial abuse given to a young lad from derrylaughan from a supporter from the ardboe club in their minor championship game. This kind of thing can't be allowed to happen
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 21, 2016, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on April 21, 2016, 04:28:41 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 21, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 21, 2016, 11:18:39 AM
near enough but yeah hands up I shouldn't have put that comment up....

Fair play.

We are all guilty of jumping in the odd time.

The story is fact to an extent. There was racial abuse given to a young lad from derrylaughan from a supporter from the ardboe club in their minor championship game. This kind of thing can't be allowed to happen

Completely agree. Hopefully they report it through proper channels.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on April 23, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Minors lose league final to last minute Donegal goal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on April 25, 2016, 12:57:30 PM
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/colm-cavanagh-is-one-of-the-most-underrated-men-in-football/75746

Great article of the importance of Colm Cavanagh who once again was brilliant yesterday.  Thought it was worth a share.  Tyrone had a number of great performances yesterday.  The inside forward line has serious competition for places with McCurry still to come back.  McAliskey was excellent as was O'Neill.  Tyrone look ready for Derry and hopefully a good run in the Ulster Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 27, 2016, 07:10:31 AM
where are all the ronan o neill critics this week i wonder. finally getting a run and proving his undoubted class. well done mickey finding a system that accomodates the most natural forward in the county after 4 years of trying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 27, 2016, 07:55:20 AM
Yes where are ye lads? A stunning silence... Hiding from the glare hoping that people might somehow forget about them. No chance of that with a Good man like  ose14 about the place. Anyway keep up the good work ronan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on April 27, 2016, 09:11:53 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 27, 2016, 07:10:31 AM
where are all the ronan o neill critics this week i wonder. finally getting a run and proving his undoubted class. well done mickey finding a system that accomodates the most natural forward in the county after 4 years of trying.

I'm a big fan of Ronan O'Neill but I think it is wrong to say Harte has found a system to suit him, it looks to me that Ronan has finally realised what work needs to be done to play in this Tyrone team and has put in a massive effort to get himself in decent shape. His work rate has been excellent this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on April 27, 2016, 09:28:46 AM
I think the lads attitude has shifted quite considerably. Fair play to him. I read an interview from him where he said getting put on as a sub, against Mayo I think, and taken off again was a massive wake up call for him. He was definitely out of shape at that stage in his career. Hopefully we see a big summer from him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 27, 2016, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on April 27, 2016, 09:28:46 AM
I think the lads attitude has shifted quite considerably. Fair play to him. I read an interview from him where he said getting put on as a sub, against Mayo I think, and taken off again was a massive wake up call for him. He was definitely out of shape at that stage in his career. Hopefully we see a big summer from him.

Fair play to O'Neill, massive fan of his and agree he's probably the most talented forward in the country so great to see him in good shape and going well. Also think he's our best finisher as far as goal chances are concerned - think Sunday's was his third of the year, has anyone else got more than one?

However I would say that it's all very well doing it in the Division 2 v the likes of Cavan. I've seen O'Neill put in a few good performances in the Qualifiers in recent years against the lesser teams, but if we have Ulster or All Ireland ambitions then O'Neills going to find himself marked by the likes of Eamon McGee, Colin Walshe, Keith Higgins, Philly McMahon - even Dermot McBride from Derry who is a good man marker and I don't think he's played against us so far this year. These lads would all represent a bigger test but hopefully Rony can keep the good form up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on April 27, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
Didn't think O'Neill was that great. Although he got 1-3 he doesn't have the ability to get out in front of his man and then beat him, he turned over a lot of ball any time he did try and beat a Cavan player. His scores were all handed to him, free, ball off the post that landed to him and a pass over defenders head by Myler for a simple hand-pass over the bar. It was the pass by Donnelly that made the goal, however, it was a great finish. McAliskey is definitely more explosive, something O'Neill doesn't have and he will definitely struggle against better teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 27, 2016, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 27, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
Didn't think O'Neill was that great. Although he got 1-3 he doesn't have the ability to get out in front of his man and then beat him, he turned over a lot of ball any time he did try and beat a Cavan player. His scores were all handed to him, free, ball off the post that landed to him and a pass over defenders head by Myler for a simple hand-pass over the bar. It was the pass by Donnelly that made the goal, however, it was a great finish. McAliskey is definitely more explosive, something O'Neill doesn't have and he will definitely struggle against better teams.

While the actual execution of the scores was simple (both his points from play anyway), there is a skill to making the correct runs in order to be in position to receive these passes (his first point was from a lay off by Petey Harte, not from a rebound) and knock the ball over the bar. Also worth nothing that Rony is doing a lot of running back and work out the field and in previous years he wouldn't have been fit to get himself back up the pitch and in position to take the scores. So he deserves more credit than you've given him i think.

Also when he is out the field he does some good work creatively when he avoids taking the ball into traffic. For example in the first half he sprayed a great diagonal ball into Skeet from which we won a handy 13 yard free
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on April 27, 2016, 12:55:26 PM
I still have doubts on RON.  I agree with a lot of what redhandofgod says.  The big problem Tyrone have had the past few years is forwards who can skin their man and RON doesn't seem to have this in his locker either.  McCurry is very similar in this regard and even McAliskey seems to always take the shot instead of taking on the man. 

On RON, was he better at beating men (i.e. was it a big part of his game) prior to the cruciate injury or has he always had the same style that he has now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 27, 2016, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 27, 2016, 12:55:26 PM
I still have doubts on RON.  I agree with a lot of what redhandofgod says.  The big problem Tyrone have had the past few years is forwards who can skin their man and RON doesn't seem to have this in his locker either.  McCurry is very similar in this regard and even McAliskey seems to always take the shot instead of taking on the man. 

On RON, was he better at beating men (i.e. was it a big part of his game) prior to the cruciate injury or has he always had the same style that he has now?

He was definitely alot more nippy and quicker prior to the injury. At underage level he would frequently play at centre half forward and a big part of his game was running at teams with the ball.

Suppose another reason that he doesn't try to beat his man as much is because he's not the biggest and can be caught out when he tries to bring the ball into contact. This was obviously less of an issue at underage level when there is less physicality
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on April 27, 2016, 02:21:25 PM
He should be exiled for that celebration. Absolutely horrendous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 27, 2016, 04:28:32 PM
Come back on here with your tinted glasses OSE when he does it against Dublin, Mayo, Kerry or Donegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on April 27, 2016, 05:07:02 PM
Quote from: EastTyrone on April 27, 2016, 02:21:25 PM
He should be exiled for that celebration. Absolutely horrendous.

Why? Ive only seen old people (50+) being negative about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 27, 2016, 10:23:13 PM
not rose tinted at all, but ronan was getting pearlers on here some of it personal that he wasnt this and he wasnt that. its easy to pick on someone when hes not performing i can understand the ease of negative comments but the lad has been terrific this season so far.  the argument regarding doing it against kerry dublin and mayo is the acid test alright. but id suggest that its been  6years since any tyrone forward or player for that matter has performed with distinction against any of the top teams.mccurry mcaliskey bradley were all found wanting last year when it mattered. o neill and lee breenan will prove before the year is out what a proper forward looks like.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 27, 2016, 10:42:36 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 27, 2016, 10:23:13 PM
not rose tinted at all, but ronan was getting pearlers on here some of it personal that he wasnt this and he wasnt that. its easy to pick on someone when hes not performing i can understand the ease of negative comments but the lad has been terrific this season so far.  the argument regarding doing it against kerry dublin and mayo is the acid test alright. but id suggest that its been  6years since any tyrone forward or player for that matter has performed with distinction against any of the top teams.mccurry mcaliskey bradley were all found wanting last year when it mattered. o neill and lee breenan will prove before the year is out what a proper forward looks like.

I'd disagree with that.

I thought McCurry and McAliskey went extremely well last year. McAliskey at the minute is the standout forward, he has the explosiveness that McCurry and O'Neill don't have and I felt he was superb against Kerry last year and if we had been able to feed him more we would have won the game. With the form McAliskey is in at the minute I would say he is bordering on being a top class forward.

The difference with O'Neill this year is he seems in better condition and is sacrificing himself for the team where he previously wasn't willing/well conditioned enough to. As a result of this Harte has rewarded him with a starting position. It's great to see but he still has it all to prove, we know he's a top class finisher and he's a very gifted footballer but he will need to continue and make big improvements to his game if he is to hold onto that jersey as the summer progresses. He had a decent game on Sunday, he worked hard, he used the ball well and his ability to create space was clever and his finishing deadly - however, six or seven times on Sunday he was bottled up and turned over far too easily, he needs to become much more adept at protecting the ball. McCurry and McAliskey, for now at least, seem to be much better at this aspect than O'Neill is.

He's had a good league campaign, he deserves to start against Derry but Championship is a different animal and O'Neill still has a long way to go - he will need to continue to up his game if he wants to keep that place. McCurry's form is a little worrying but he gets an awful lot of unfair criticism, he only turns 23 this year and is a tried and tested Championship performer - he absolutely destroyed Ryan Wylie in Croke Park last year with Wylie a big tip to get an All Star beforehand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on April 28, 2016, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on April 27, 2016, 05:07:02 PM
Quote from: EastTyrone on April 27, 2016, 02:21:25 PM
He should be exiled for that celebration. Absolutely horrendous.

Why? Ive only seen old people (50+) being negative about it.

It is just very embarrassing. This is not american sports full of theatrics. Just get on with it. Or at least make up something original.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 29, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
i beg to disagree re mcaliskey and mccurry. they are both flat track bullies the likes of tipperary and sligo made both of them look good last year. both of them are way too selfish. put a few wonder scores on the board and thats it. mcaliskey plays for himself and mc curry is at best an impact sub. when the chips are down neither of these two have the cahones. i watched mccaliskey two years ago aginst dromore have an unbelievable first 7 minutes kick 4 points albeit wind assisted in the championship. then low and behold red sean was asked to do a wee marking job and the skeet man disappeared as did clonoe. lee breenan and ronan o neill have both shown what a proper natural forward looks like and neither of them lack the round boys. cant have big shawn wee dazzler and skeet in the one line and expect to win ball against the mcgees/mcgrath or the wylies/walsh because ulster will come down to that again. Brennan and o neill for me every time. nice to see positive comments re ronans celebration i suppose when his play cant be criticised haters have to hate something else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on April 29, 2016, 08:40:25 AM
I would be very happy to see him doing that celebration again in Celtic Park!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 29, 2016, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 29, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
i beg to disagree re mcaliskey and mccurry. they are both flat track bullies the likes of tipperary and sligo made both of them look good last year. both of them are way too selfish. put a few wonder scores on the board and thats it. mcaliskey plays for himself and mc curry is at best an impact sub. when the chips are down neither of these two have the cahones. i watched mccaliskey two years ago aginst dromore have an unbelievable first 7 minutes kick 4 points albeit wind assisted in the championship. then low and behold red sean was asked to do a wee marking job and the skeet man disappeared as did clonoe. lee breenan and ronan o neill have both shown what a proper natural forward looks like and neither of them lack the round boys. cant have big shawn wee dazzler and skeet in the one line and expect to win ball against the mcgees/mcgrath or the wylies/walsh because ulster will come down to that again. Brennan and o neill for me every time. nice to see positive comments re ronans celebration i suppose when his play cant be criticised haters have to hate something else.

McAliskey is a superb ball winner. Bit of irony in you castigating haters while doing the same against McAliskey and McCurry who have pedigree at Championship level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on April 29, 2016, 09:49:58 AM
McAliskey had a good final but I thought he had been quite poor throughout the league prior to this. hopefully he kicks on and has a better championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 29, 2016, 09:55:28 AM
I think this thread illustrates Tyrone's potential weakness. Who is that forward that on a tight day has the class to get us over the line. There are still doubts over O Neill, McCurry, Brennan and McAliskey.

For me Brennan will be closest to that mantle and will be a class act. The other 3 have shown glimpses but now is the time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on April 29, 2016, 10:02:22 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 29, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
i beg to disagree re mcaliskey and mccurry. they are both flat track bullies the likes of tipperary and sligo made both of them look good last year. both of them are way too selfish. put a few wonder scores on the board and thats it. mcaliskey plays for himself and mc curry is at best an impact sub. when the chips are down neither of these two have the cahones. i watched mccaliskey two years ago aginst dromore have an unbelievable first 7 minutes kick 4 points albeit wind assisted in the championship. then low and behold red sean was asked to do a wee marking job and the skeet man disappeared as did clonoe. lee breenan and ronan o neill have both shown what a proper natural forward looks like and neither of them lack the round boys. cant have big shawn wee dazzler and skeet in the one line and expect to win ball against the mcgees/mcgrath or the wylies/walsh because ulster will come down to that again. Brennan and o neill for me every time. nice to see positive comments re ronans celebration i suppose when his play cant be criticised haters have to hate something else.
McAliskey is not a flat-track bully - sure he scored 3 points from play in Ballybofey last year in 1st round of the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on April 29, 2016, 10:14:14 AM
Team id like to see Vs Derry in championship
1. M. O'Neill
2. HP McGeary
3. R. McNamee
4. C. McCarron
5. R. Brennan
6. Justy McMahon
7. T. McCann
8. C. Cavanagh
9. R. Donnelly
10. M. Donnelly
11. P. Harte
12. C. Myler
13. L. Brennan
14. S. Cavanagh
15. C. McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 29, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
I cant see mickey leaving out Aidan Mccrory, and I would say RON is a fair bit ahead of Brennan at the minute.
Richie donnelly likely to start, but at WHF with mattie at 9
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on April 29, 2016, 01:41:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 29, 2016, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 29, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
i beg to disagree re mcaliskey and mccurry. they are both flat track bullies the likes of tipperary and sligo made both of them look good last year. both of them are way too selfish. put a few wonder scores on the board and thats it. mcaliskey plays for himself and mc curry is at best an impact sub. when the chips are down neither of these two have the cahones. i watched mccaliskey two years ago aginst dromore have an unbelievable first 7 minutes kick 4 points albeit wind assisted in the championship. then low and behold red sean was asked to do a wee marking job and the skeet man disappeared as did clonoe. lee breenan and ronan o neill have both shown what a proper natural forward looks like and neither of them lack the round boys. cant have big shawn wee dazzler and skeet in the one line and expect to win ball against the mcgees/mcgrath or the wylies/walsh because ulster will come down to that again. Brennan and o neill for me every time. nice to see positive comments re ronans celebration i suppose when his play cant be criticised haters have to hate something else.

McAliskey is a superb ball winner. Bit of irony in you castigating haters while doing the same against McAliskey and McCurry who have pedigree at Championship level.

Possibly have displayed it in the back door against shite teams but both have yet to do it in the Ulster SFC - the real test for a quality forward is to produce for 3 games in a row in Ulster and take us to a title - don't count any of that back door stuff as a test of character !! Mugsy, Stevie O Neill, Canavan would have converted all the chances we got V Kerry last year and we would have possibly won another sam. Instead we had no killer instinct when it counted and mattered most and missed a host of goal chances which proved costly!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 29, 2016, 01:56:23 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 29, 2016, 01:41:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 29, 2016, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 29, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
i beg to disagree re mcaliskey and mccurry. they are both flat track bullies the likes of tipperary and sligo made both of them look good last year. both of them are way too selfish. put a few wonder scores on the board and thats it. mcaliskey plays for himself and mc curry is at best an impact sub. when the chips are down neither of these two have the cahones. i watched mccaliskey two years ago aginst dromore have an unbelievable first 7 minutes kick 4 points albeit wind assisted in the championship. then low and behold red sean was asked to do a wee marking job and the skeet man disappeared as did clonoe. lee breenan and ronan o neill have both shown what a proper natural forward looks like and neither of them lack the round boys. cant have big shawn wee dazzler and skeet in the one line and expect to win ball against the mcgees/mcgrath or the wylies/walsh because ulster will come down to that again. Brennan and o neill for me every time. nice to see positive comments re ronans celebration i suppose when his play cant be criticised haters have to hate something else.

McAliskey is a superb ball winner. Bit of irony in you castigating haters while doing the same against McAliskey and McCurry who have pedigree at Championship level.

Possibly have displayed it in the back door against shite teams but both have yet to do it in the Ulster SFC - the real test for a quality forward is to produce for 3 games in a row in Ulster and take us to a title - don't count any of that back door stuff as a test of character !! Mugsy, Stevie O Neill, Canavan would have converted all the chances we got V Kerry last year and we would have possibly won another sam. Instead we had no killer instinct when it counted and mattered most and missed a host of goal chances which proved costly!

Not really, as was pointed out earlier McAliskey was superb against Donegal in the first round of Ulster last year, scoring three great points in difficult surroundings. McCurry destroyed Ryan Wylie who was hotly tipped for an All Star at the time in an AI QF, both are young enough guys, McCurry turns 23 this year and McAliskey 25.

When it comes to pedigree at the minute, both McAliskey and McCurry are streets ahead of both O'Neill and Brennan who have it all to prove. O'Neill has had a decent league campaign and deserves to start ahead of an out of sorts McCurry against Derry. However O'Neill will have to improve an awful lot to keep his place, he has shown progress this spring but he needs to continue that trend.

Brennan, while he looks a massive talent is completely untested at senior level and like O'Neill has it all to prove.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on April 29, 2016, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 29, 2016, 01:56:23 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 29, 2016, 01:41:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 29, 2016, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 29, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
i beg to disagree re mcaliskey and mccurry. they are both flat track bullies the likes of tipperary and sligo made both of them look good last year. both of them are way too selfish. put a few wonder scores on the board and thats it. mcaliskey plays for himself and mc curry is at best an impact sub. when the chips are down neither of these two have the cahones. i watched mccaliskey two years ago aginst dromore have an unbelievable first 7 minutes kick 4 points albeit wind assisted in the championship. then low and behold red sean was asked to do a wee marking job and the skeet man disappeared as did clonoe. lee breenan and ronan o neill have both shown what a proper natural forward looks like and neither of them lack the round boys. cant have big shawn wee dazzler and skeet in the one line and expect to win ball against the mcgees/mcgrath or the wylies/walsh because ulster will come down to that again. Brennan and o neill for me every time. nice to see positive comments re ronans celebration i suppose when his play cant be criticised haters have to hate something else.

McAliskey is a superb ball winner. Bit of irony in you castigating haters while doing the same against McAliskey and McCurry who have pedigree at Championship level.

Possibly have displayed it in the back door against shite teams but both have yet to do it in the Ulster SFC - the real test for a quality forward is to produce for 3 games in a row in Ulster and take us to a title - don't count any of that back door stuff as a test of character !! Mugsy, Stevie O Neill, Canavan would have converted all the chances we got V Kerry last year and we would have possibly won another sam. Instead we had no killer instinct when it counted and mattered most and missed a host of goal chances which proved costly!

Not really, as was pointed out earlier McAliskey was superb against Donegal in the first round of Ulster last year, scoring three great points in difficult surroundings. McCurry destroyed Ryan Wylie who was hotly tipped for an All Star at the time in an AI QF, both are young enough guys, McCurry turns 23 this year and McAliskey 25.

When it comes to pedigree at the minute, both McAliskey and McCurry are streets ahead of both O'Neill and Brennan who have it all to prove. O'Neill has had a decent league campaign and deserves to start ahead of an out of sorts McCurry against Derry. However O'Neill will have to improve an awful lot to keep his place, he has shown progress this spring but he needs to continue that trend.

Brennan, while he looks a massive talent is completely untested at senior level and like O'Neill has it all to prove.

I agree with a lot of this but I do feel McCurry is just not at it. He did destroy Ryan Wylie last year with a series of solo dummies. But this seems like all he is capable of. He has speed but he will not take someone on. He will win the ball and first thought is stop and dummy. Skeet and O'Neill in form at the moment and have to start - even with that celebration, which was woeful, he has to be there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 29, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
I agree Il Bomber. McCurry and Skeet might are no Michael Murphy or Diarmuid Connolly but they have been two of our top scoring forward the last 3 or 4 years. Both tend to have good days and then go missing at times but we were spoiled years ago with players like Mugsy, SoN and PTG.
I've only saw Lee Brennan a few times playing for the senior team and he's not really got going. He looks small and stocky and will probably need time to step up to this level but I am excited by what he can do this year. Was it 3.08 he scored for his club last time out?
Ronan O'Neill seems to have become the new Coney. We all know he's got loads of talent but there are a lot of Tyrone fans out there who don't think he's got the bottle. I was very pleased with the confidence he had to take his goal so well last Sunday as most would have been happy with a point. It show's his belief in himself and if he can keep scoring frees at a reasonable range then that would be a HUGE thing for Tyrone.
I really wish we would have a more definite plan for frees in that if it was too far out or a tight angle they would just take it short quickly rather than demoralising the whole team and fans by trying to score no matter what.

On another note, was chatting to a lad from Edendork last Sunday who was telling me Morgan is in awesome form outfield for them. He was saying he's quite a quiet lad off the pitch but people think he's arrogant on the pitch.

Sean Cavanagh is 33 now I think. Who would be the next oldest not including Joey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 29, 2016, 02:44:14 PM
Aiden McCrory, Cathal McCarron, Colm Cavaghan and Justy McMahon in and around late twenties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on April 29, 2016, 03:04:35 PM
I don't think McCurry or McAliskey will really count in the big games against the top teams to be honest.  The comparison between Coney and O'Neill is there to be made, but I think that the big thing that is against both of them is their lack of speed, which in general is a problem with our forward options at the minute.  None of our forwards have seem to have the ability to take a man on and I am hoping Brennan develops into that player for us but at the minute he doesn't seem ready for it. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on April 29, 2016, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 29, 2016, 03:04:35 PM
I don't think McCurry or McAliskey will really count in the big games against the top teams to be honest.  The comparison between Coney and O'Neill is there to be made, but I think that the big thing that is against both of them is their lack of speed, which in general is a problem with our forward options at the minute.  None of our forwards have seem to have the ability to take a man on and I am hoping Brennan develops into that player for us but at the minute he doesn't seem ready for it.

From what I've seen of Ronan O'Neill I'd say he is one of the fastest players in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 29, 2016, 03:35:02 PM
A lot of people on here backing McCurry on the basis he 'destroyed' Ryan Wylie last year - no doubting McCurry had a good game that day but he only got two points from play and I remember he still hit a few wides. Although this is probably his standout display in Championship football so far I wouldn't describe him as outstanding that day. Realistically McCurry's form has been patchy for a year and a half now - remember he lost his place for a few of the Qualifiers last year and his misses arguably cost us wins against Donegal and Kerry. As has been said he only turns 23 this year so has plenty of time to come good yet but I probably would have expected a bit more from him before now considering some of his earlier displays, eg. when he destroyed Mayo in Omagh in the 2014 league, think he hit 2-4 from play that day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on April 29, 2016, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 29, 2016, 02:36:31 PM

On another note, was chatting to a lad from Edendork last Sunday who was telling me Morgan is in awesome form outfield for them. He was saying he's quite a quiet lad off the pitch but people think he's arrogant on the pitch.


He got injured in the first league game so he must have been pretty awesome in that short period he was playing!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on May 02, 2016, 09:27:27 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 29, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
i beg to disagree re mcaliskey and mccurry. they are both flat track bullies the likes of tipperary and sligo made both of them look good last year. both of them are way too selfish. put a few wonder scores on the board and thats it. mcaliskey plays for himself and mc curry is at best an impact sub. when the chips are down neither of these two have the cahones. i watched mccaliskey two years ago aginst dromore have an unbelievable first 7 minutes kick 4 points albeit wind assisted in the championship. then low and behold red sean was asked to do a wee marking job and the skeet man disappeared as did clonoe. lee breenan and ronan o neill have both shown what a proper natural forward looks like and neither of them lack the round boys. cant have big shawn wee dazzler and skeet in the one line and expect to win ball against the mcgees/mcgrath or the wylies/walsh because ulster will come down to that again. Brennan and o neill for me every time. nice to see positive comments re ronans celebration i suppose when his play cant be criticised haters have to hate something else.

Jaysus oh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 02, 2016, 10:29:49 AM
OSE - Did RON play against Dromore last year in the Championship???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 02, 2016, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 29, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
I've only saw Lee Brennan a few times playing for the senior team and he's not really got going. He looks small and stocky and will probably need time to step up to this level but I am excited by what he can do this year. Was it 3.08 he scored for his club last time out?

On a side note Dean McNally Kildress held Brennan scoreless from play yesterday. Wasn't that impressed by him yesterday in regards county standard but I still think he'll be good option for Tyrone over the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 02, 2016, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 02, 2016, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 29, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
I've only saw Lee Brennan a few times playing for the senior team and he's not really got going. He looks small and stocky and will probably need time to step up to this level but I am excited by what he can do this year. Was it 3.08 he scored for his club last time out?

On a side note Dean McNally Kildress held Brennan scoreless from play yesterday. Wasn't that impressed by him yesterday in regards county standard but I still think he'll be good option for Tyrone over the next 10 years.
There are not too many will post a big score off Dean.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 02, 2016, 03:36:43 PM
Hard to comprehend how mcnally hasnt had a good run with Tyrone. I cant think of a better man marker in the county at the present time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on May 04, 2016, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: God14 on May 02, 2016, 03:36:43 PM
Hard to comprehend how mcnally hasnt had a good run with Tyrone. I cant think of a better man marker in the county at the present time.
At 23/24 he still has time to make the senior team and make an impact, definitely worth considering because of our lack of corner back options.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 04, 2016, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 04, 2016, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: God14 on May 02, 2016, 03:36:43 PM
Hard to comprehend how mcnally hasnt had a good run with Tyrone. I cant think of a better man marker in the county at the present time.
At 23/24 he still has time to make the senior team and make an impact, definitely worth considering because of our lack of corner back options.
Man marking defenders are very hard to come by. its something we lack at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 19, 2016, 10:11:01 AM
Our full back line is pretty solid though is it not?


Anyone got an inkling of the minor team for this weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 19, 2016, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 19, 2016, 10:11:01 AM
Our full back line is pretty solid though is it not?


Anyone got an inkling of the minor team for this weekend?

It is. After seeing the team line up I'd have worries about our half forward line. Should still have more than enough for this weekend though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 19, 2016, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 19, 2016, 10:11:01 AM
Our full back line is pretty solid though is it not?


Anyone got an inkling of the minor team for this weekend?

Comórtas: An Charobh Peile Mhionúr
Cluiche: Doire v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: Páirc na gCeilteach
Dáta: 22 Bealtaine 2016 –  @ 12.00pm
1 – Benny Gallen – Achadh Uí Áráin
2 – Damien McGuigan – An Omaigh
3 – Brian  McNulty – Dún Geanainn
4 – James McGurk – An Charraig Mhór
5 – Tiernan Corr – Baile na Móna
6 – Conall Grimes – Loch Mhic  Ruairí
7 – Peter Og Mc Cartan – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – James Devlin (c) – Baile na Móna
9 – Cahir Goodwin – An Droim Mór
10 – Branán Molloy – Domhnach Mór
11 – Tomas Carney – Doire Locháin
12 – Paul Donaghy – Eadán na dTorc
13 – Emmet Mc Nabb – An Droim Mór
14 – Matthew Mc Gleenan – Eaglais
15 – Daniel Kerr – Gallbhaile
Bainisteoirí – Paul Devlin (Baile na Móna) & Iggy Gallagher (Trí Leac)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 20, 2016, 01:13:17 AM
Why do the minor teama not release sub lists but the seniors do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on May 21, 2016, 01:46:54 PM
Anybody read todays irish daily mail?  Jaysus what did mickey do til annoy them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on May 21, 2016, 06:40:30 PM
Quote from: SuperHo on May 21, 2016, 01:46:54 PM
Anybody read todays irish daily mail?  Jaysus what did mickey do til annoy them?

What were they saying about him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on May 21, 2016, 11:15:01 PM
2 different articles. liam hayes refers to mickeys "long rambling sermon this week" basically ridiculing mickeys comments on the current panel. The other somewhat similar
Kinda sayin look at the team of the 00s n catch yerself on. Sorta. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 22, 2016, 05:00:57 PM
Glad to see Cathal McShane put in a great shift today.

He has looked very raw in his few limited outings at senior so far which is understandable but he had a really good first half today and hopefully can kick on from here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.

As bad a side that I've seen in years, Paul Dook oftener on the pitch and closer til the ball sometimes than some of the players

I know of at least 3 lads overlooked this year not because of their ability but perhaps the colour of the club jersey they wear

Could someone from Carrickmore confirm that young shortie loughran must a been injured,he wasn't even on the bench.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.

As bad a side that I've seen in years, Paul Dook oftener on the pitch and closer til the ball sometimes than some of the players

I know of at least 3 lads overlooked this year not because of their ability but perhaps the colour of the club jersey they wear

Could someone from Carrickmore confirm that young shortie loughran must a been injured,he wasn't even on the bench.

Totally agree that players have been left out due to which clubs they play for.

I'm sure if Devlin had the chance he'd play the entire Moortown team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 22, 2016, 07:55:38 PM
Who are these players then
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 22, 2016, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.

As bad a side that I've seen in years, Paul Dook oftener on the pitch and closer til the ball sometimes than some of the players

I know of at least 3 lads overlooked this year not because of their ability but perhaps you the colour of the club jersey they wear

Could someone from Carrickmore confirm that young shortie loughran must a been injured,he wasn't even on the bench.

Nope he is not injured. From what I have heard he only found out this morning that he wasn't togging out. If there is 24 better minors on the county than him than Tyrone should be walking the all Ireland.  If he was from Moortown he would be on and vice captain to his son.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 22, 2016, 07:55:38 PM
Who are these players then

Conall Devlin Shortie Loughran Paul Donnelly are 3 aff the top of my head
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 22, 2016, 09:07:44 PM
He's decent alright. But I watched Omagh Cbs in the macrory and he wasn't starting there either strangely. The only player who u would pick out today who could step up would be that grimes lad from lough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on May 22, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 22, 2016, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.

As bad a side that I've seen in years, Paul Dook oftener on the pitch and closer til the ball sometimes than some of the players

I know of at least 3 lads overlooked this year not because of their ability but perhaps you the colour of the club jersey they wear

Could someone from Carrickmore confirm that young shortie loughran must a been injured,he wasn't even on the bench.

Nope he is not injured. From what I have heard he only found out this morning that he wasn't togging out. If there is 24 better minors on the county than him than Tyrone should be walking the all Ireland.  If he was from Moortown he would be on and vice captain to his son.
is Paul Dook the manager? If he is the pure dogs bollix for making me feel like asking the previous manager to come back . Carmen and Ardboe in the county minor final and I didn't see many from these clubs on the match programme . Norris out of Coronation Street would have done a better job !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 22, 2016, 11:01:58 PM
Think it would be very harsh to drop any of the lads for the Cavan/Armagh semi on the basis of today's game.

If Bradley misses out then probably Rory Brennan replacing him and Harte moving further forward would be the most likely change.

Serious competition for places.

Richie Donnelly looking like he's going to be a very important player for us this year. McShane and Richie Donnelly give us a lot more presence in the middle of the field and we did as well as I can remember in a long time when the kickouts hit the middle of the field though Derry was very poor in this area.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2016, 11:11:39 PM
Just after watching the Sunday Game, shocked that they couldn't find any negatives in Tyrone today (not like them :P). Disappointed also that no interviews were given post match or by MOTM winner.  I was of the understanding that our county chairperson had resolved this matter and Tyrone would allow a representative to give the post match thoughts.

I understand Mickey Harte won't and shouldn't be expected to speak to RTE but it's not just RTE losing out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 22, 2016, 11:15:01 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2016, 11:11:39 PM
Just after watching the Sunday Game, shocked that they couldn't find any negatives in Tyrone today (not like them :P). Disappointed also that no interviews were given post match or by MOTM winner.  I was of the understanding that our county chairperson had resolved this matter and Tyrone would allow a representative to give the post match thoughts.

I understand Mickey Harte won't and shouldn't be expected to speak to RTE but it's not just RTE losing out.

Maybe the players don't want to?

Harte hasn't been the only one in the Tyrone set up who has been destroyed by RTE - Sean Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann have also been the subject of hysteria and double standards from RTE. The players seem to be a fairly tight bunch so I doubt they have little problem with it.

More power to them I say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 22, 2016, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on May 22, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 22, 2016, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.

As bad a side that I've seen in years, Paul Dook oftener on the pitch and closer til the ball sometimes than some of the players

I know of at least 3 lads overlooked this year not because of their ability but perhaps you the colour of the club jersey they wear

Could someone from Carrickmore confirm that young shortie loughran must a been injured,he wasn't even on the bench.

Nope he is not injured. From what I have heard he only found out this morning that he wasn't togging out. If there is 24 better minors on the county than him than Tyrone should be walking the all Ireland.  If he was from Moortown he would be on and vice captain to his son.
is Paul Dook the manager? If he is the pure dogs bollix for making me feel like asking the previous manager to come back . Carmen and Ardboe in the county minor final and I didn't see many from these clubs on the match programme . Norris out of Coronation Street would have done a better job !

In fairness to Paul Dook he only had 2 moortown men on the starting team and young James is a fine footballer in hisown right. If anything Dooks need to combine county and club comitments prob work to the disadvantage to both this year. Moortown won 0 league games this year due to not playing county players and went in under cooked against their neighbours in championship semi. I would agree with the point on young Loughrans omission. Has been a quality player at youth level over the years as two has conor shields from clougher surprised he didnt make startinf 15.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 23, 2016, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 22, 2016, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on May 22, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 22, 2016, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.

As bad a side that I've seen in years, Paul Dook oftener on the pitch and closer til the ball sometimes than some of the players

I know of at least 3 lads overlooked this year not because of their ability but perhaps you the colour of the club jersey they wear

Could someone from Carrickmore confirm that young shortie loughran must a been injured,he wasn't even on the bench.

Nope he is not injured. From what I have heard he only found out this morning that he wasn't togging out. If there is 24 better minors on the county than him than Tyrone should be walking the all Ireland.  If he was from Moortown he would be on and vice captain to his son.
is Paul Dook the manager? If he is the pure dogs bollix for making me feel like asking the previous manager to come back . Carmen and Ardboe in the county minor final and I didn't see many from these clubs on the match programme . Norris out of Coronation Street would have done a better job !

In fairness to Paul Dook he only had 2 moortown men on the starting team and young James is a fine footballer in hisown right. If anything Dooks need to combine county and club comitments prob work to the disadvantage to both this year. Moortown won 0 league games this year due to not playing county players and went in under cooked against their neighbours in championship semi. I would agree with the point on young Loughrans omission. Has been a quality player at youth level over the years as two has conor shields from clougher surprised he didnt make startinf 15.

Young Shields was on crutches 3 weeks back so maybe he's injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:58:00 AM
the minors incredibly disappointing, like the look of grimes, though fighting rear guard action throughout. tyrone minor teams of the last 10 years have been of similar appearance. fast pacy and small most of them developed under a narrow selection process via the acadmey system currently in place. selecting 40 players at 15 out of a potential 500 club players seems a bit subjective and narrow. kerry keep 150 to about 16 kilkenny the same. that would never happen in tyrone garvagheys need for money means the acadamey system is a shadow of what it could be. also someone needs to address the mindless training that occurs with these squads and the longest running gaa competition in the world the mccrory cup. tyrone seniors and garvaghey is where it all goes and until that shifts we will challenge occasionally but not consistently, more on luck than process.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 23, 2016, 08:24:30 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:58:00 AM
the minors incredibly disappointing, like the look of grimes, though fighting rear guard action throughout. tyrone minor teams of the last 10 years have been of similar appearance. fast pacy and small most of them developed under a narrow selection process via the acadmey system currently in place. selecting 40 players at 15 out of a potential 500 club players seems a bit subjective and narrow. kerry keep 150 to about 16 kilkenny the same. that would never happen in tyrone garvagheys need for money means the acadamey system is a shadow of what it could be. also someone needs to address the mindless training that occurs with these squads and the longest running gaa competition in the world the mccrory cup. tyrone seniors and garvaghey is where it all goes and until that shifts we will challenge occasionally but not consistently, more on luck than process.


From all accounts the current U17s are exceptional, and Benny Hurl has only been in the coaching role a short while. I would give the academy a few years before throwing it on the scrap heap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on May 23, 2016, 01:20:24 PM
Glad to see Cathal McShane put in a great shift today.

+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 23, 2016, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: SuperHo on May 23, 2016, 01:20:24 PM
Glad to see Cathal McShane put in a great shift today.

+1

Me too!

It was actually his defensive game that impressed me. I must see if he can borrow it from Garvaghey and take it to the next senior game.

:-)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 23, 2016, 01:23:36 PM
Anyone see Mugsy and John McCullough on twitter yesterday?

Mugsy- "Traveling to the Tyrone v Derry game, weather's really bad torrential rain and stormy. Same sort of conditions Ud find in Greencastle #GAA"

McCullough replied- "The way Cookstown is going it could be a while b4 u get to play in Greencastle again @owen_mulligan".

It gave me a laugh yesterday!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2016, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 23, 2016, 01:23:36 PM
Anyone see Mugsy and John McCullough on twitter yesterday?

Mugsy- "Traveling to the Tyrone v Derry game, weather's really bad torrential rain and stormy. Same sort of conditions Ud find in Greencastle #GAA"

McCullough replied- "The way Cookstown is going it could be a while b4 u get to play in Greencastle again @owen_mulligan".

It gave me a laugh yesterday!

Brilliant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 23, 2016, 02:10:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2016, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2016, 11:11:39 PM
Just after watching the Sunday Game, shocked that they couldn't find any negatives in Tyrone today (not like them :P). Disappointed also that no interviews were given post match or by MOTM winner.  I was of the understanding that our county chairperson had resolved this matter and Tyrone would allow a representative to give the post match thoughts.

I understand Mickey Harte won't and shouldn't be expected to speak to RTE but it's not just RTE losing out.
Who is losing out really? McAleer & Rushe getting another 30 seconds on TV? They had over an hour on two channels. The interviews are full of predictable soundbites which will be covered by many papers tomorrow. It makes little difference to anyone.

Pity the Man of the Match doesnt get his award on air... I guess as the stance is so strong he will be refusing it altogether..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 23, 2016, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:58:00 AM
the minors incredibly disappointing, like the look of grimes, though fighting rear guard action throughout. tyrone minor teams of the last 10 years have been of similar appearance. fast pacy and small most of them developed under a narrow selection process via the acadmey system currently in place. selecting 40 players at 15 out of a potential 500 club players seems a bit subjective and narrow. kerry keep 150 to about 16 kilkenny the same. that would never happen in tyrone garvagheys need for money means the acadamey system is a shadow of what it could be. also someone needs to address the mindless training that occurs with these squads and the longest running gaa competition in the world the mccrory cup. tyrone seniors and garvaghey is where it all goes and until that shifts we will challenge occasionally but not consistently, more on luck than process.
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Such an unsubstantiated, whining attitude.

If you have different ideas go up and join volunteers giving there spare time to keep the county moving forward and put something in place for the entire county for the future.

What knowledge do you have of garvaghey financials and what exactly is the issue? Can you provide examples instead of stupid sweeping statements.

Also the academy is only a year in existence and the current minor squad and management are outside the Academys. What exactly is your problem with training?

Maybe and expert like you needs added to Benny Hurls team seeing as you have a wealth of knowledge regarding under age structure and set up. The committee appointed asked for finance, set out what they wanted and got it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Greencastle are in minor Grade 3, you wouldn't automatically expect County representation from a grade 3 club.  In Division 3 senior there is One county senior and his club didn't make the championship final or win promotion.  So that isn't an argument dead.  Carrickmore are a talented side at minor level.  Again because you have a great team you don't always have a team full of superstars.  If Tyrone won this wouldn't be discussed.

Tyrone minor management have a representation from East and West Tyrone.  I don't buy all this talk of bias.  On the day Derry were the better side which wouldn't be a shock when you look at college football.

Im sure the CB will review the season, try and right the wrongs and look to the future. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on May 23, 2016, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Greencastle are in minor Grade 3, you wouldn't automatically expect County representation from a grade 3 club.  In Division 3 senior there is One county senior and his club didn't make the championship final or win promotion.  So that isn't an argument dead.  Carrickmore are a talented side at minor level.  Again because you have a great team you don't always have a team full of superstars.  If Tyrone won this wouldn't be discussed.

Tyrone minor management have a representation from East and West Tyrone.  I don't buy all this talk of bias.  On the day Derry were the better side which wouldn't be a shock when you look at college football.

Im sure the CB will review the season, try and right the wrongs and look to the future.
Moy have one county minor who made the bench, Aghayarn had one minor who was the goalkeeper. Greencastle had none. Generally speaking Division 3 doesn't produce many County minors.
Seems to me that all the the tyrone teams are given a blueprint from Garvaghey and have to try and play the same set up as the senior team. Unfortunately this is not working with the majority of our teams and bigger more physically developed teams are turning over Tyrone at various age groups and this is where the changes need to be made in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2016, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 23, 2016, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Greencastle are in minor Grade 3, you wouldn't automatically expect County representation from a grade 3 club.  In Division 3 senior there is One county senior and his club didn't make the championship final or win promotion.  So that isn't an argument dead.  Carrickmore are a talented side at minor level.  Again because you have a great team you don't always have a team full of superstars.  If Tyrone won this wouldn't be discussed.

Tyrone minor management have a representation from East and West Tyrone.  I don't buy all this talk of bias.  On the day Derry were the better side which wouldn't be a shock when you look at college football.

Im sure the CB will review the season, try and right the wrongs and look to the future.
Moy have one county minor who made the bench, Aghayarn had one minor who was the goalkeeper. Greencastle had none. Generally speaking Division 3 doesn't produce many County minors.
Seems to me that all the the tyrone teams are given a blueprint from Garvaghey and have to try and play the same set up as the senior team. Unfortunately this is not working with the majority of our teams and bigger more physically developed teams are turning over Tyrone at various age groups and this is where the changes need to be made in my opinion.

I don't think this is a valid argument.  So you are claiming Moy and Aghyaran minors are selected because the Tyrone senior team have representatives from these clubs??  And because Greencastle don't have senior representation their minors have been overlooked.

If I'm a minor manager I pick the best players based on my thoughts and system.  The management are in place for the county and to enhance their own reputation, certainly not for the good of their health.  A garvaghy dictated system is ludicrous!!! Why would a manager take the post if their selection process is limited.  Clonoe had a similar feeling towards the senior county manager once upon a time (maybe still do).  Players are picked on merit.

You may have the best minor in the county, but that minor may also have the worst attitude.  I wouldn't want him anywhere near a panel.

Things didn't work out this year but lets not start stupid conspiracy theories
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 23, 2016, 04:04:11 PM
Lads there is bit of an over reaction here. At minor football one bad game and you're dead. Season over. It doesn't mean the coaching/ management is bad. I don't know your man Benny Hurl well.

However the wee things I hear re the work at the academies is promising. There's definitely good solid, ideas, and structures going in there. If it doesn't work, it'll not be for lack of effort. I'd give it 4-5 years though before writing it off.

Re the East/ West thing. I don't overly buy that managers pick people due to area. There may be a little more familiarity with their locality but as far as I know these squads have 2-3 'managers/ coaches' now and 2-3 further people out watching games to watch for the ones that got away. For example there was an Aghyaran man in that role last year, and perhaps this year too.

This year there was 4 from the North Tyroneish areas and 10 from the Omaghish areas (Excuse my geeography if it's out slightly). So 14 from a 33 man squad.
2 x Aghyaran
1 x Owen Roes
1 x Newtown

2 x Carrickmore
1 x Beragh
1 x Clogher
3 x Dromore
1 x Loughmacrory
1 x Omagh
1 x Trillick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on May 23, 2016, 05:36:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2016, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 23, 2016, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Greencastle are in minor Grade 3, you wouldn't automatically expect County representation from a grade 3 club.  In Division 3 senior there is One county senior and his club didn't make the championship final or win promotion.  So that isn't an argument dead.  Carrickmore are a talented side at minor level.  Again because you have a great team you don't always have a team full of superstars.  If Tyrone won this wouldn't be discussed.

Tyrone minor management have a representation from East and West Tyrone.  I don't buy all this talk of bias.  On the day Derry were the better side which wouldn't be a shock when you look at college football.

Im sure the CB will review the season, try and right the wrongs and look to the future.
Moy have one county minor who made the bench, Aghayarn had one minor who was the goalkeeper. Greencastle had none. Generally speaking Division 3 doesn't produce many County minors.
Seems to me that all the the tyrone teams are given a blueprint from Garvaghey and have to try and play the same set up as the senior team. Unfortunately this is not working with the majority of our teams and bigger more physically developed teams are turning over Tyrone at various age groups and this is where the changes need to be made in my opinion.

I don't think this is a valid argument.  So you are claiming Moy and Aghyaran minors are selected because the Tyrone senior team have representatives from these clubs??  And because Greencastle don't have senior representation their minors have been overlooked.

If I'm a minor manager I pick the best players based on my thoughts and system.  The management are in place for the county and to enhance their own reputation, certainly not for the good of their health.  A garvaghy dictated system is ludicrous!!! Why would a manager take the post if their selection process is limited.  Clonoe had a similar feeling towards the senior county manager once upon a time (maybe still do).  Players are picked on merit.

You may have the best minor in the county, but that minor may also have the worst attitude.  I wouldn't want him anywhere near a panel.

Things didn't work out this year but lets not start stupid conspiracy theories
I was just making a point that Grade 3 doesn't produce as many Tyrone minors as the divisions above. Which you would like to think would be the case as the higher divisions should be of a higher standard.
I've saw Tyrone minors and Under 21s get beat this year playing the same systems.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on May 23, 2016, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 22, 2016, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on May 22, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 22, 2016, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.

As bad a side that I've seen in years, Paul Dook oftener on the pitch and closer til the ball sometimes than some of the players

I know of at least 3 lads overlooked this year not because of their ability but perhaps you the colour of the club jersey they wear

Could someone from Carrickmore confirm that young shortie loughran must a been injured,he wasn't even on the bench.

Nope he is not injured. From what I have heard he only found out this morning that he wasn't togging out. If there is 24 better minors on the county than him than Tyrone should be walking the all Ireland.  If he was from Moortown he would be on and vice captain to his son.
is Paul Dook the manager? If he is the pure dogs bollix for making me feel like asking the previous manager to come back . Carmen and Ardboe in the county minor final and I didn't see many from these clubs on the match programme . Norris out of Coronation Street would have done a better job !

In fairness to Paul Dook he only had 2 moortown men on the starting team and young James is a fine footballer in hisown right. If anything Dooks need to combine county and club comitments prob work to the disadvantage to both this year. Moortown won 0 league games this year due to not playing county players and went in under cooked against their neighbours in championship semi. I would agree with the point on young Loughrans omission. Has been a quality player at youth level over the years as two has conor shields from clougher surprised he didnt make startinf 15.

Obviously you weren't at the game

There were 3 from Moortown who started and two of whom had til lie in a bath of ice to cool them after the roasting they got
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Good for you all knowing guru.
2008 All Ireland Minor winners
2010 All Ireland Minor winners
2103 All ireland Minor runners up
2015 All Ireland U 21 winners,

Not bad for a system that wasn't working. i'm expecting some amount of trophies now we have put King Benny in charge of the ship.
My only query is how we let things go so bad for so long
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 24, 2016, 09:35:38 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 23, 2016, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Greencastle are in minor Grade 3, you wouldn't automatically expect County representation from a grade 3 club.  In Division 3 senior there is One county senior and his club didn't make the championship final or win promotion.  So that isn't an argument dead.  Carrickmore are a talented side at minor level.  Again because you have a great team you don't always have a team full of superstars.  If Tyrone won this wouldn't be discussed.

Tyrone minor management have a representation from East and West Tyrone.  I don't buy all this talk of bias.  On the day Derry were the better side which wouldn't be a shock when you look at college football.

Im sure the CB will review the season, try and right the wrongs and look to the future.
Moy have one county minor who made the bench, Aghayarn had one minor who was the goalkeeper. Greencastle had none. Generally speaking Division 3 doesn't produce many County minors.
Seems to me that all the the tyrone teams are given a blueprint from Garvaghey and have to try and play the same set up as the senior team. Unfortunately this is not working with the majority of our teams and bigger more physically developed teams are turning over Tyrone at various age groups and this is where the changes need to be made in my opinion.

Crossmaglen are lauded for having consistent coaching and playing styles feeding through to their senior set-up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 24, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on May 23, 2016, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 22, 2016, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on May 22, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 22, 2016, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on May 22, 2016, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 22, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Obviously a great performance from the Seniors against a very poor Derry side.

However, that Tyrone Minor team is one of the worst I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of young players in the County who could put up a better performance than those on the field today.

As bad a side that I've seen in years, Paul Dook oftener on the pitch and closer til the ball sometimes than some of the players

I know of at least 3 lads overlooked this year not because of their ability but perhaps you the colour of the club jersey they wear

Could someone from Carrickmore confirm that young shortie loughran must a been injured,he wasn't even on the bench.

Nope he is not injured. From what I have heard he only found out this morning that he wasn't togging out. If there is 24 better minors on the county than him than Tyrone should be walking the all Ireland.  If he was from Moortown he would be on and vice captain to his son.
is Paul Dook the manager? If he is the pure dogs bollix for making me feel like asking the previous manager to come back . Carmen and Ardboe in the county minor final and I didn't see many from these clubs on the match programme . Norris out of Coronation Street would have done a better job !

In fairness to Paul Dook he only had 2 moortown men on the starting team and young James is a fine footballer in hisown right. If anything Dooks need to combine county and club comitments prob work to the disadvantage to both this year. Moortown won 0 league games this year due to not playing county players and went in under cooked against their neighbours in championship semi. I would agree with the point on young Loughrans omission. Has been a quality player at youth level over the years as two has conor shields from clougher surprised he didnt make startinf 15.

Obviously you weren't at the game

There were 3 from Moortown who started and two of whom had til lie in a bath of ice to cool them after the roasting they got

I was at the game and it is pretty obviouse to me that clowns like you should stay away. To criticize young lads playing their first championship game for their county just because you dont like the manager is a disgrace. I take it you have never had the talent to pull on the jersey yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Good for you all knowing guru.
2008 All Ireland Minor winners
2010 All Ireland Minor winners
2103 All ireland Minor runners up
2015 All Ireland U 21 winners,

Not bad for a system that wasn't working. i'm expecting some amount of trophies now we have put King Benny in charge of the ship.
My only query is how we let things go so bad for so long

Good stuff brains, you have just contradicted yourself in the space of 2 sentences. Were they working or not?

Some people in this county will complain no matter what, You clearly have no involvement in underage football in tyrone or you will know that by last eyar clubs were avoiding sending kids up to gravaghey because it was a mess. There was nothing permanaent put in place to oversee the coaching and appointments. That has now changed. You are writing it off before it has got a chance. It may not work but they appear to have went about getting the best/most successful people in place to give it the best chance of working. I think in all the development squads have lost 1 game this year. That looks to me like it is going quite well. But sure go throw out a few cheap digs at an individual or a big sweeping statement about the big bad money grabbing garvaghey to back up your argument!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Good for you all knowing guru.
2008 All Ireland Minor winners
2010 All Ireland Minor winners
2103 All ireland Minor runners up
2015 All Ireland U 21 winners,

Not bad for a system that wasn't working. i'm expecting some amount of trophies now we have put King Benny in charge of the ship.
My only query is how we let things go so bad for so long

Good stuff brains, you have just contradicted yourself in the space of 2 sentences. Were they working or not?

Some people in this county will complain no matter what, You clearly have no involvement in underage football in tyrone or you will know that by last eyar clubs were avoiding sending kids up to gravaghey because it was a mess. There was nothing permanaent put in place to oversee the coaching and appointments. That has now changed. You are writing it off before it has got a chance. It may not work but they appear to have went about getting the best/most successful people in place to give it the best chance of working. I think in all the development squads have lost 1 game this year. That looks to me like it is going quite well. But sure go throw out a few cheap digs at an individual or a big sweeping statement about the big bad money grabbing garvaghey to back up your argument!
I see irony is lost on you.
You are the man (or woman obviously), who seems to be able to make the sweeping statement that the previous system wasn't working even though very few counties can match tyrone's underage success in the last 10-12 years
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on May 24, 2016, 01:14:30 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Good for you all knowing guru.
2008 All Ireland Minor winners
2010 All Ireland Minor winners
2103 All ireland Minor runners up
2015 All Ireland U 21 winners,

Not bad for a system that wasn't working. i'm expecting some amount of trophies now we have put King Benny in charge of the ship.
My only query is how we let things go so bad for so long

Good stuff brains, you have just contradicted yourself in the space of 2 sentences. Were they working or not?

Some people in this county will complain no matter what, You clearly have no involvement in underage football in tyrone or you will know that by last eyar clubs were avoiding sending kids up to gravaghey because it was a mess. There was nothing permanaent put in place to oversee the coaching and appointments. That has now changed. You are writing it off before it has got a chance. It may not work but they appear to have went about getting the best/most successful people in place to give it the best chance of working. I think in all the development squads have lost 1 game this year. That looks to me like it is going quite well. But sure go throw out a few cheap digs at an individual or a big sweeping statement about the big bad money grabbing garvaghey to back up your argument!
I see irony is lost on you.
You are the man (or woman obviously), who seems to be able to make the sweeping statement that the previous system wasn't working even though very few counties can match tyrone's underage success in the last 10-12 years

The previous development squad system wasn't working at U15/U16/U17 level. Many Clubs were disillusioned with the system and stopped sending their players for trials. The system produced some good teams because the players spent most of their time training with the County and relatively very little time at their Clubs. That was a problem which the Academys have mostly solved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 24, 2016, 01:18:15 PM
I have to admit the way the academy is run I actually think given time it will strengthen the relationship between club and county. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 24, 2016, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 24, 2016, 01:18:15 PM
I have to admit the way the academy is run I actually think given time it will strengthen the relationship between club and county.

Agree with that.

They are actually taking time to invest in clubs and communicate with then. They are investing more time in schools here in N Tyrone as its the weakest of the 4 areas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Good for you all knowing guru.
2008 All Ireland Minor winners
2010 All Ireland Minor winners
2103 All ireland Minor runners up
2015 All Ireland U 21 winners,

Not bad for a system that wasn't working. i'm expecting some amount of trophies now we have put King Benny in charge of the ship.
My only query is how we let things go so bad for so long

Good stuff brains, you have just contradicted yourself in the space of 2 sentences. Were they working or not?

Some people in this county will complain no matter what, You clearly have no involvement in underage football in tyrone or you will know that by last eyar clubs were avoiding sending kids up to gravaghey because it was a mess. There was nothing permanaent put in place to oversee the coaching and appointments. That has now changed. You are writing it off before it has got a chance. It may not work but they appear to have went about getting the best/most successful people in place to give it the best chance of working. I think in all the development squads have lost 1 game this year. That looks to me like it is going quite well. But sure go throw out a few cheap digs at an individual or a big sweeping statement about the big bad money grabbing garvaghey to back up your argument!
I see irony is lost on you.
You are the man (or woman obviously), who seems to be able to make the sweeping statement that the previous system wasn't working even though very few counties can match tyrone's underage success in the last 10-12 years

Im not sure what the man or woman point has to do with anything?

When the coaching review and academy were set up we had not won the under 21 title and they are clearly a special one off group. My ambitions are to put tyrone up with Kerry and Dublin and for them they way things were would not be acceptable. Luckily the tyrone set up has nothing to do with you. Now get back to the school work, i'm sure you are enjoying Dick & Dora
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Good for you all knowing guru.
2008 All Ireland Minor winners
2010 All Ireland Minor winners
2103 All ireland Minor runners up
2015 All Ireland U 21 winners,

Not bad for a system that wasn't working. i'm expecting some amount of trophies now we have put King Benny in charge of the ship.
My only query is how we let things go so bad for so long

Good stuff brains, you have just contradicted yourself in the space of 2 sentences. Were they working or not?

Some people in this county will complain no matter what, You clearly have no involvement in underage football in tyrone or you will know that by last eyar clubs were avoiding sending kids up to gravaghey because it was a mess. There was nothing permanaent put in place to oversee the coaching and appointments. That has now changed. You are writing it off before it has got a chance. It may not work but they appear to have went about getting the best/most successful people in place to give it the best chance of working. I think in all the development squads have lost 1 game this year. That looks to me like it is going quite well. But sure go throw out a few cheap digs at an individual or a big sweeping statement about the big bad money grabbing garvaghey to back up your argument!
I see irony is lost on you.
You are the man (or woman obviously), who seems to be able to make the sweeping statement that the previous system wasn't working even though very few counties can match tyrone's underage success in the last 10-12 years

Im not sure what the man or woman point has to do with anything?

When the coaching review and academy were set up we had not won the under 21 title and they are clearly a special one off group. My ambitions are to put tyrone up with Kerry and Dublin and for them they way things were would not be acceptable. Luckily the tyrone set up has nothing to do with you. Now get back to the school work, i'm sure you are enjoying Dick & Dora
Ah good man, when your argument makes no sense just insult people.
Good to hear your informed opinion that last year's under 21s were a special group who weren't helped by the system.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 24, 2016, 04:34:27 PM
Can anyone summarise the main changes that have been brought in with the development of the academy and what cracks it has covered when compared to the previous setup?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 24, 2016, 07:52:40 PM
redhanddeferrer your awful cross and whos moaning. the topic is why did the most prepared minor team in history play as if they never seen each other. i asked a few questions yet you havent answered them only calling me a slabber and someone else brainless. no one else in this conversation is getting personal. look heres a few thoughts.
1 what percentage of sundays minor team were handpicked from the age of 14/15 by the acdamey trained and developed and won every development squad intercounty blitz going. anybody know.
2 norf this ones for you what percentage of yesterdays minor team were developed outside the acadmey system and assisted by club teams and coaching.
3 what percentage of club tyrone/ county board money goes to preparing the dev squads in relation to garvagheys costs or the overall preparation of tyrone teams in general.
for every one of them so called developed minors on sunday last how many others are not being developed.
if benny or iggy or paul is on this board dont be getting cross or personal its a discussion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 24, 2016, 08:40:16 PM
I am not sure if the current Academy system is the best method of doing things but at least it is a method which over time can be monitored through results. I assume that the number one goal for the Academy is not necessarily about winning minor ulster and AI titles but it is about providing a development frame work of providing senior players for the future. I cant see how people here can judge the success or failure of the method based on one minor sides performance in any single year. The Academy system can only be assessed over a period of time. I would also assume that those involved will review their methods on an ongoing basis making the required changes as they go. I hope we dint have kneejerk reactions over one bad day out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 24, 2016, 10:48:51 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 24, 2016, 07:52:40 PM
redhanddeferrer your awful cross and whos moaning. the topic is why did the most prepared minor team in history play as if they never seen each other. i asked a few questions yet you havent answered them only calling me a slabber and someone else brainless. no one else in this conversation is getting personal. look heres a few thoughts.
1 what percentage of sundays minor team were handpicked from the age of 14/15 by the acdamey trained and developed and won every development squad intercounty blitz going. anybody know.
2 norf this ones for you what percentage of yesterdays minor team were developed outside the acadmey system and assisted by club teams and coaching.
3 what percentage of club tyrone/ county board money goes to preparing the dev squads in relation to garvagheys costs or the overall preparation of tyrone teams in general.
for every one of them so called developed minors on sunday last how many others are not being developed.
if benny or iggy or paul is on this board dont be getting cross or personal its a discussion.

Lookin forward to hearing the answer to these 3 questions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 25, 2016, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2016, 10:48:51 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 24, 2016, 07:52:40 PM
redhanddeferrer your awful cross and whos moaning. the topic is why did the most prepared minor team in history play as if they never seen each other. i asked a few questions yet you havent answered them only calling me a slabber and someone else brainless. no one else in this conversation is getting personal. look heres a few thoughts.
1 what percentage of sundays minor team were handpicked from the age of 14/15 by the acdamey trained and developed and won every development squad intercounty blitz going. anybody know.
2 norf this ones for you what percentage of yesterdays minor team were developed outside the acadmey system and assisted by club teams and coaching.
3 what percentage of club tyrone/ county board money goes to preparing the dev squads in relation to garvagheys costs or the overall preparation of tyrone teams in general.
for every one of them so called developed minors on sunday last how many others are not being developed.
if benny or iggy or paul is on this board dont be getting cross or personal its a discussion.

Lookin forward to hearing the answer to these 3 questions

I have a life!

Such a complete and utter moan, if there is something you feel you can do better then put your name forward and present your ideas instead of sitting at a keyboard crying about unsubstantiated rubbish
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 25, 2016, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Good for you all knowing guru.
2008 All Ireland Minor winners
2010 All Ireland Minor winners
2103 All ireland Minor runners up
2015 All Ireland U 21 winners,

Not bad for a system that wasn't working. i'm expecting some amount of trophies now we have put King Benny in charge of the ship.
My only query is how we let things go so bad for so long

Good stuff brains, you have just contradicted yourself in the space of 2 sentences. Were they working or not?

Some people in this county will complain no matter what, You clearly have no involvement in underage football in tyrone or you will know that by last eyar clubs were avoiding sending kids up to gravaghey because it was a mess. There was nothing permanaent put in place to oversee the coaching and appointments. That has now changed. You are writing it off before it has got a chance. It may not work but they appear to have went about getting the best/most successful people in place to give it the best chance of working. I think in all the development squads have lost 1 game this year. That looks to me like it is going quite well. But sure go throw out a few cheap digs at an individual or a big sweeping statement about the big bad money grabbing garvaghey to back up your argument!
I see irony is lost on you.
You are the man (or woman obviously), who seems to be able to make the sweeping statement that the previous system wasn't working even though very few counties can match tyrone's underage success in the last 10-12 years

Im not sure what the man or woman point has to do with anything?

When the coaching review and academy were set up we had not won the under 21 title and they are clearly a special one off group. My ambitions are to put tyrone up with Kerry and Dublin and for them they way things were would not be acceptable. Luckily the tyrone set up has nothing to do with you. Now get back to the school work, i'm sure you are enjoying Dick & Dora
Ah good man, when your argument makes no sense just insult people.
Good to hear your informed opinion that last year's under 21s were a special group who weren't helped by the system.

There is nothing to arhue about. You are trying to say the underage structures didn't need changed or that the new changes don't work. Neither statement can be supported.

I am saying quit your crying and do something about it if you have a better idea. At least they are trying something new with the right people involved. You are knocking them before they have a chance. there is no argument, you are clearly just a yap
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on May 25, 2016, 01:55:29 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 25, 2016, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: time ticking away on May 24, 2016, 02:52:36 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 23, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
norf you are beating me with the wrong end of the stick. i am stating that due to the monstrosity that is garvaghey the acadmey system is a shadow of what it should be not that it shouldnt be. read the post. redhanddefender i could never substatntiate the drain garvaghey has had as you and me and every other gael that stumps up for it arent party to the sums. i have no particular greivance with anyone running the acadmey but its interesting that the previous incumbant left under a cloud when not supported fully maybe you could enlighten us a bit more on that. i havent seen the u 17 squad but i could nearly guess they will be small pacy and have one decent forward. a goalkeeper who will be advised that midfield isnt that important and they will all be handpassing monsters. yesterdays minor team only a year younger. i see iggy gallagher blamed it all on the cc and clubs for not giving them the time needed to train the team properly even though most of them have been through 15 16 17 dev squads. only time for 60 sessions come on we need 90.

Oh my god what a slabber, typical moaning GAA fan. Moaning about absolutely nothing!

1) Tyrone need a facility like garvaghey to be on par with the other big hitters, we are moving to an almost professional era. It provide everything we need in a central location for all age groups and teams. It inspires kids any time they set foot in it. Actually having played up there myself I can see how. There is a special feel to it. Every major county has this. It will be paid of in the next 10 years and remain there for good.

2) All financials are made available through club tyrone? What are you talking about? I doubt you put much money into anything apart from a daily new box of cleaneze to clean your computer screen,

3) Maybe you could enlighten me as to what you are talking about? The previous incumbent of the Academy left in a clud of smoke? that doesn't make any sense. The  previous development squads werent working, a full review was carried out asking for inut from all clubs and the academy was set in place reciving all the funds they requested. At least give it a chance.

4) You ahvent seen the under 17 squad but are going to go ahead and criticise them, they won everything this year and you have no basis for any criticism.

As I said, you are what is known as a leech. You bring problems not solutions, waste of time
Good for you all knowing guru.
2008 All Ireland Minor winners
2010 All Ireland Minor winners
2103 All ireland Minor runners up
2015 All Ireland U 21 winners,

Not bad for a system that wasn't working. i'm expecting some amount of trophies now we have put King Benny in charge of the ship.
My only query is how we let things go so bad for so long

Good stuff brains, you have just contradicted yourself in the space of 2 sentences. Were they working or not?

Some people in this county will complain no matter what, You clearly have no involvement in underage football in tyrone or you will know that by last eyar clubs were avoiding sending kids up to gravaghey because it was a mess. There was nothing permanaent put in place to oversee the coaching and appointments. That has now changed. You are writing it off before it has got a chance. It may not work but they appear to have went about getting the best/most successful people in place to give it the best chance of working. I think in all the development squads have lost 1 game this year. That looks to me like it is going quite well. But sure go throw out a few cheap digs at an individual or a big sweeping statement about the big bad money grabbing garvaghey to back up your argument!
I see irony is lost on you.
You are the man (or woman obviously), who seems to be able to make the sweeping statement that the previous system wasn't working even though very few counties can match tyrone's underage success in the last 10-12 years

Im not sure what the man or woman point has to do with anything?

When the coaching review and academy were set up we had not won the under 21 title and they are clearly a special one off group. My ambitions are to put tyrone up with Kerry and Dublin and for them they way things were would not be acceptable. Luckily the tyrone set up has nothing to do with you. Now get back to the school work, i'm sure you are enjoying Dick & Dora
Ah good man, when your argument makes no sense just insult people.
Good to hear your informed opinion that last year's under 21s were a special group who weren't helped by the system.

There is nothing to arhue about. You are trying to say the underage structures didn't need changed or that the new changes don't work. Neither statement can be supported.

I am saying quit your crying and do something about it if you have a better idea. At least they are trying something new with the right people involved. You are knocking them before they have a chance. there is no argument, you are clearly just a yap

:o :o
Don't be such a bully.
Bet you wouldn't say that to my face
::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 25, 2016, 05:15:38 AM
Calm down lads things rome wasnt built in a day far to much pressure put on young lads who sacrifice a lot of things so they can wear the jersey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: mick999 on May 25, 2016, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2016, 04:34:27 PM
Can anyone summarise the main changes that have been brought in with the development of the academy and what cracks it has covered when compared to the previous setup?

Good interview with Benny here, were he discusses the changes :
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/04/live-radio-acadamh-thir-eoghain-whats-different-thursday-23rd-april-9pm/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 25, 2016, 09:21:29 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 24, 2016, 07:52:40 PM
redhanddeferrer your awful cross and whos moaning. the topic is why did the most prepared minor team in history play as if they never seen each other. i asked a few questions yet you havent answered them only calling me a slabber and someone else brainless. no one else in this conversation is getting personal. look heres a few thoughts.
1 what percentage of sundays minor team were handpicked from the age of 14/15 by the acdamey trained and developed and won every development squad intercounty blitz going. anybody know.
2 norf this ones for you what percentage of yesterdays minor team were developed outside the acadmey system and assisted by club teams and coaching.
3 what percentage of club tyrone/ county board money goes to preparing the dev squads in relation to garvagheys costs or the overall preparation of tyrone teams in general.
for every one of them so called developed minors on sunday last how many others are not being developed.
if benny or iggy or paul is on this board dont be getting cross or personal its a discussion.

I haven't a clue nor am I bothered to look.

My point was that I wouldn't go making rash judgement based on one game.

The bits I've heard re the work being done at underage in Tyrone encourages me, and suggests that time will yield results. Again I am not saying that the 'old way' was wrong. Indeed the previous way of doing things was yielding decent results, and Tyrone GAA structures are in a healthy state. However what has happened now is that the good work of the last 10 years is being built upon and a process of continuous improvement is in place. If in 5 years time we're putting on first round Ulster Championship performances that leave a lot to be desired then perhaps we could scrap and start again.

Also- Winning minor games/ championships should not be the only marker. Sometimes it's the right call to play a system at U17/ U18/ U21 etc that mirrors the senior team. Therefore when a player makes that step up it's seamless. It may mean losing more games at minor, but having a more effective transition to senior football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 25, 2016, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: mick999 on May 25, 2016, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2016, 04:34:27 PM
Can anyone summarise the main changes that have been brought in with the development of the academy and what cracks it has covered when compared to the previous setup?

Good interview with Benny here, were he discusses the changes :
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/04/live-radio-acadamh-thir-eoghain-whats-different-thursday-23rd-april-9pm/

Cheers Mick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 25, 2016, 04:01:22 PM
Lad, living in Dublin I don't get to see any club games.
Just wondering how good do people think Lee Brennan is and will he make a break through this year onto the starting 15 or be a super sub.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 25, 2016, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 25, 2016, 04:01:22 PM
Lad, living in Dublin I don't get to see any club games.
Just wondering how good do people think Lee Brennan is and will he make a break through this year onto the starting 15 or be a super sub.

I'd say Lee Brennan is there or there abouts our best forward. I think the form of McAliskey, McCurry and O'Neill will keep him off the team for now, but he'll be pushing hard for their spot.

As a side point, the performance of McShane, Richie Donnelly etc will mean the excellent Conor Meyler has to sweat it on the bench for a while.

A good problem to have!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on May 25, 2016, 04:33:46 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 25, 2016, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 25, 2016, 04:01:22 PM
Lad, living in Dublin I don't get to see any club games.
Just wondering how good do people think Lee Brennan is and will he make a break through this year onto the starting 15 or be a super sub.

I'd say Lee Brennan is there or there abouts our best forward. I think the form of McAliskey, McCurry and O'Neill will keep him off the team for now, but he'll be pushing hard for their spot.

As a side point, the performance of McShane, Richie Donnelly etc will mean the excellent Conor Meyler has to sweat it on the bench for a while.

A good problem to have!
It would be absolutely ideal to have Lee Brennan out of the spotlight until say an AI semi-final & then unleash him on an unsuspecting Mayo or Dublin defence in the wide open confines of Croke Park ;) 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 25, 2016, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 25, 2016, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 25, 2016, 04:01:22 PM
Lad, living in Dublin I don't get to see any club games.
Just wondering how good do people think Lee Brennan is and will he make a break through this year onto the starting 15 or be a super sub.

I'd say Lee Brennan is there or there abouts our best forward. I think the form of McAliskey, McCurry and O'Neill will keep him off the team for now, but he'll be pushing hard for their spot.

As a side point, the performance of McShane, Richie Donnelly etc will mean the excellent Conor Meyler has to sweat it on the bench for a while.

A good problem to have!

McShane and Donnelly at wing forward give us a bit more size in the middle of the pitch and don't make the neccessity to kick it long the whole time.

Thought O'Neill's kick outs were very good on Sunday though how much of that is down to Derry I don't know. I rate Morgan but think O'Neill should hold onto the no.1 jersey for the time being.

Big competition with the likes of Justy, McNabb, Meyler and Rory Brennan all to come back into contention among others.

Paddy Bradley was on the radio on Monday and claimed Tyrone have the strongest squad in terms of quality in depth in the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 25, 2016, 07:57:56 PM
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2016/05/derry-v-tyrone-statistical-analysis/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 26, 2016, 07:24:44 AM
yous couldnt be bothered to look at the acadamey because like the average tyronie because it looks to be working it must be?. thats why we will challenge occasionally and not consistently. lets hope daire canavan is as good as he looks as next years minors and the whole acadamey depend on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 26, 2016, 08:21:33 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 26, 2016, 07:24:44 AM
yous couldnt be bothered to look at the acadamey because like the average tyronie because it looks to be working it must be?. thats why we will challenge occasionally and not consistently. lets hope daire canavan is as good as he looks as next years minors and the whole acadamey depend on it.
And you have?
If so can you please answer your own (rhetorical!) questions then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 26, 2016, 08:54:26 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 26, 2016, 07:24:44 AM
yous couldnt be bothered to look at the acadamey because like the average tyronie because it looks to be working it must be?. thats why we will challenge occasionally and not consistently. lets hope daire canavan is as good as he looks as next years minors and the whole acadamey depend on it.

What?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 26, 2016, 10:16:53 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 26, 2016, 08:54:26 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 26, 2016, 07:24:44 AM
yous couldnt be bothered to look at the acadamey because like the average tyronie because it looks to be working it must be?. thats why we will challenge occasionally and not consistently. lets hope daire canavan is as good as he looks as next years minors and the whole acadamey depend on it.

What?

Think its a dig at Iggy Gallagher- not hearing great reports on him either tbf.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on May 26, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
Wheres the Ulster semi final likely to be held at? Clones?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 26, 2016, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: bogball88 on May 26, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
Wheres the Ulster semi final likely to be held at? Clones?
If it is v Cavan it is the logical venue (how many does Enniskillen hold?)
If it is Armagh it is still the most likely as they haven't baled Casement yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfun on May 26, 2016, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 24, 2016, 01:18:15 PM
I have to admit the way the academy is run I actually think given time it will strengthen the relationship between club and county.

Hope you are right rrhf but without wanting to publicly dis my own club they pay no heed whatsoever in encouraging young lads to attend these academies or give little acknowledgement to those who do.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 27, 2016, 08:13:47 AM
Quote from: winghalfun on May 26, 2016, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 24, 2016, 01:18:15 PM
I have to admit the way the academy is run I actually think given time it will strengthen the relationship between club and county.

Hope you are right rrhf but without wanting to publicly dis my own club they pay no heed whatsoever in encouraging young lads to attend these academies or give little acknowledgement to those who do.

lol, well then how can you win? Just give up underage county development and concentrate on the clubs!

All they can do is try
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on June 08, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
I read Jim McGuinness' article in the Irish Times yesterday with great interest:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-the-five-game-plans-needed-to-beat-dublin-1.2674747

To sum up he reckons that teams who aspire to beat Dublin should employ two 'big men' at full forward with a fast, accurate player looping around them. He goes on to mention that Tyrone don't have any and will need to think of something alternative. But is he right? Are there any players that posters think could maybe do a job in full forward against a relatively small Dublin full back line? (Richy Donnelly came to mind for me)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 08, 2016, 02:22:39 PM
Big McNulty i suppose could play that roll.
Sean Cav obviously.
Mattie has played at FF before for Tyrone to good effect, but i would be amazed if he was used there again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 08, 2016, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on June 08, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
I read Jim McGuinness' article in the Irish Times yesterday with great interest:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-the-five-game-plans-needed-to-beat-dublin-1.2674747

To sum up he reckons that teams who aspire to beat Dublin should employ two 'big men' at full forward with a fast, accurate player looping around them. He goes on to mention that Tyrone don't have any and will need to think of something alternative. But is he right? Are there any players that posters think could maybe do a job in full forward against a relatively small Dublin full back line? (Richy Donnelly came to mind for me)

Stick Big Joe in there beside mc shane
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on June 08, 2016, 02:59:56 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on June 08, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
I read Jim McGuinness' article in the Irish Times yesterday with great interest:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-the-five-game-plans-needed-to-beat-dublin-1.2674747

To sum up he reckons that teams who aspire to beat Dublin should employ two 'big men' at full forward with a fast, accurate player looping around them. He goes on to mention that Tyrone don't have any and will need to think of something alternative. But is he right? Are there any players that posters think could maybe do a job in full forward against a relatively small Dublin full back line? (Richy Donnelly came to mind for me)
Yes, read that article too & can think of plenty of options Tyrone could try in there - Sean obviously is there already. U could throw in McShane or Matty/Richie. I still remember Matty & McCurry destroying Mayo in Omagh as a 2-man FF line in a league game a few years back. Matty also had ROC on toast in the drawn league game at Croker 2 seasons ago. He'd be my choice as he has great feet as well as the strength. You would probably only do it for say 15-20min periods as you need Matty out the pitch too, but definitely still an option
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 08, 2016, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on June 08, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
I read Jim McGuinness' article in the Irish Times yesterday with great interest:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-the-five-game-plans-needed-to-beat-dublin-1.2674747

To sum up he reckons that teams who aspire to beat Dublin should employ two 'big men' at full forward with a fast, accurate player looping around them. He goes on to mention that Tyrone don't have any and will need to think of something alternative. But is he right? Are there any players that posters think could maybe do a job in full forward against a relatively small Dublin full back line? (Richy Donnelly came to mind for me)

McShane and Niall McKenna are two other options.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 08, 2016, 10:58:58 PM
dont think its that simple imo niall mc kenna hasnt played because of injuries
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 08, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 08, 2016, 10:58:58 PM
dont think its that simple imo niall mc kenna hasnt played because of injuries

I'm hoping he can be our secret weapon, really think he's looked like fulfilling some of that potential in the past two years, he's just been very unlucky with the timing of his injuries. Mickie has never been afraid to make some big and unexpected calls and if McKenna is going well at training I think he may get his chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 08, 2016, 11:05:02 PM
Agreed. The only way we will win any game is by going by mickys plan, not jimmys. dublin are vulnerable when u run at them in numbers, as Laois showed in the second half. Jimmy said u need a five game plan well we have been practicing 11+game plan so far this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 09, 2016, 09:51:28 AM
I know it's only natural but I don't like all this talk about are Tyrone in with a good shout to beat Dublin.
We need to stay focused on Ulster and getting to an Ulster final.
Should we beat Cavan, then it's a HUGE game v Donegal/Fermanagh or Monaghan who we've struggled with in recent years. Should we get to the final that will be a real test of does this team have what it takes before we can be thinking of Dublin.

Any word on young Bradley? Will he be back for the Cavan game?
I'd love to see more of McNulty in games. He seems to do well when he comes on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 09, 2016, 12:23:00 PM
I agree Fuzzman, Tyrone look speedy and fit ,  but really, are they as good as Dublin or Kerry , even Mayo or Monaghan ??  Too soon to be talking about Sam for this year , me thinks..........Need luck with no injuries and, more importantly , referees
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on June 09, 2016, 01:14:46 PM
Bar injury i cant see any change for the cavan game. If Bradley doesn't make it I would think Ronan McNabb will come back into the team and Peter Harte will move to the half forward line.
I agree that Tyrone should be looking no further ahead than the 17th of July and Donegal or Monaghan. Be the first test of this tyrone team and how they perform on that day will give us a better idea of our position relative to Kerry, Mayo and Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 09, 2016, 01:19:09 PM
McNulty's role looks like it'll be for last quarter barnstorming runs through the middle. He makes some ground when he gets a head of steam built up. I notice some people earmarked him as a possibility for a big man in FF, however, that role is radically different to his runs from deep. Has he played the FF role for Dungannon on occasions? Catching, turning and beating a FB is not an easy skill to pull off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on June 09, 2016, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 09, 2016, 01:19:09 PM
McNulty's role looks like it'll be for last quarter barnstorming runs through the middle. He makes some ground when he gets a head of steam built up. I notice some people earmarked him as a possibility for a big man in FF, however, that role is radically different to his runs from deep. Has he played the FF role for Dungannon on occasions? Catching, turning and beating a FB is not an easy skill to pull off.
I would be very surprised if he has when they have Patrick Quinn who already does this role for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 09, 2016, 01:39:21 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on June 09, 2016, 01:14:46 PM
Bar injury i cant see any change for the cavan game. If Bradley doesn't make it I would think Ronan McNabb will come back into the team and Peter Harte will move to the half forward line.
I agree that Tyrone should be looking no further ahead than the 17th of July and Donegal or Monaghan. Be the first test of this tyrone team and how they perform on that day will give us a better idea of our position relative to Kerry, Mayo and Dublin.

He might want to bring Conor Meyler back in too. With Ruairi Brennan, and Lee Brennan as well there are quite a number of options.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 09, 2016, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on June 09, 2016, 01:14:46 PM
Bar injury i cant see any change for the cavan game. If Bradley doesn't make it I would think Ronan McNabb will come back into the team and Peter Harte will move to the half forward line.
I agree that Tyrone should be looking no further ahead than the 17th of July and Donegal or Monaghan. Be the first test of this tyrone team and how they perform on that day will give us a better idea of our position relative to Kerry, Mayo and Dublin.

Very disrespectful to a decent Cavan team that Tyrone have to get past first. It could be a lot harder than many people think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 09, 2016, 03:08:59 PM
It will be hard to leave McNabb out when he get back to full fitness and then there's Justy too.
With Tiernan McCann playing so well lately and Peter Harte seeming to play better from half back than when named in the forward line it will be tough for McNabb and Brennan to get back in there.
Sludden played well against Derry but I suppose some of the 6 half forwards and half backs are quite interchangeable.

I really he sticks with Ronan being our free-kick taker rather than them rotating it or whoever fancies it.
Peter Harte seems to have given up that role having done so well a good few years ago.
Whilst I feel Mickey has fine-tuned our system of play very well now I still feel free taking is still a big weakness in the team.
Maybe Lee Brennan's championship debut could be in the Cavan game even for his frees.
With everyone fit it will be a tough pick for Mickey. I wonder will he stick with O'Neill in nets.
Cavan will have learned more from the league final than we have I would imagine.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on June 10, 2016, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 09, 2016, 03:08:59 PM
It will be hard to leave McNabb out when he get back to full fitness and then there's Justy too.
With Tiernan McCann playing so well lately and Peter Harte seeming to play better from half back than when named in the forward line it will be tough for McNabb and Brennan to get back in there.
Sludden played well against Derry but I suppose some of the 6 half forwards and half backs are quite interchangeable.

I really he sticks with Ronan being our free-kick taker rather than them rotating it or whoever fancies it.
Peter Harte seems to have given up that role having done so well a good few years ago.
Whilst I feel Mickey has fine-tuned our system of play very well now I still feel free taking is still a big weakness in the team.
Maybe Lee Brennan's championship debut could be in the Cavan game even for his frees.
With everyone fit it will be a tough pick for Mickey.[/b]I wonder will he stick with O'Neill in nets.
Cavan will have learned more from the league final than we have I would imagine.

Why wouldn't he stick with o Neil best keeper in the county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 11, 2016, 01:57:03 PM
I see some/ all the Tyrone lads played last night for their club? How does that work? I thought this was a starred round?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on June 11, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
who played? I was at Omagh-Dromore game and didnt see any playing?
2 very second string teams on show tbh, neither side close to what they will field in chamopinship I would think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 11, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on June 11, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
who played? I was at Omagh-Dromore game and didnt see any playing?
2 very second string teams on show tbh, neither side close to what they will field in chamopinship I would think.

I heard a few names. However not sure how true.

According to the Teamtalk website Cathal McCarron played. Is there another Cathal McCarron?

http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/06/club-wins-for-omagh-and-carrickmore/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/06/club-wins-for-omagh-and-carrickmore/)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on June 11, 2016, 04:05:51 PM
Yes, he's from Omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 11, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
There's a Cathal McCarron that plays for omagh, there's also two Ronan mcnabbs that play for dromore. Perhaps that's the confusion?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 11, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 11, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
There's a Cathal McCarron that plays for omagh, there's also two Ronan mcnabbs that play for dromore. Perhaps that's the confusion?

I think you're probably right. Sure it makes a good rumour!

:-)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 11, 2016, 06:46:15 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 11, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
There's a Cathal McCarron that plays for omagh, there's also two Ronan mcnabbs that play for dromore. Perhaps that's the confusion?
Used to be two Sean O'Neills as well. It's a strange town Dromore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 11, 2016, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 11, 2016, 06:46:15 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 11, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
There's a Cathal McCarron that plays for omagh, there's also two Ronan mcnabbs that play for dromore. Perhaps that's the confusion?
Used to be two Sean O'Neills as well. It's a strange town Dromore.

Only one Tommy fiddis thou
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on June 11, 2016, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 11, 2016, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 11, 2016, 06:46:15 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 11, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
There's a Cathal McCarron that plays for omagh, there's also two Ronan mcnabbs that play for dromore. Perhaps that's the confusion?
Used to be two Sean O'Neills as well. It's a strange town Dromore.

Only one Tommy fiddis thou
Actually there are two of them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redcard on June 12, 2016, 12:03:13 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on June 11, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
who played? I was at Omagh-Dromore game and didnt see any playing?
2 very second string teams on show tbh, neither side close to what they will field in chamopinship I would think.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 11, 2016, 01:57:03 PM
I see some/ all the Tyrone lads played last night for their club? How does that work? I thought this was a starred round?

Definitely no tyrone players Norf
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 12, 2016, 08:14:42 AM
Quote from: redcard on June 12, 2016, 12:03:13 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on June 11, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
who played? I was at Omagh-Dromore game and didnt see any playing?
2 very second string teams on show tbh, neither side close to what they will field in chamopinship I would think.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 11, 2016, 01:57:03 PM
I see some/ all the Tyrone lads played last night for their club? How does that work? I thought this was a starred round?

Definitely no tyrone players Norf

Yeah. Sometime told me a few players and then I seen the Team talk report. Wires crossed job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on June 19, 2016, 03:47:21 PM
Mickey O'Neill was absolutely awful today. Certainly wouldn't have him start again. Gave all three goals away, poor kickouts etc.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on June 19, 2016, 07:07:05 PM
wouldnt say o neill was at fault for the three of them but he will have had better days. tyrone had  there so called system exposed today as were some of there so called transition men. our half forward line was woeful. lee breenan must start in place of mcaliskey ronan o neill again the only option for an out ball today constantly showed wheras the other 5 starters were happy to take ball off the shoulder. this might be the wake up call required however cavan have learned and if they improve there possession to scores ratio tyrone could be in bother.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on June 19, 2016, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on June 19, 2016, 03:47:21 PM
Mickey O'Neill was absolutely awful today. Certainly wouldn't have him start again. Gave all three goals away, poor kickouts etc.

All 3 goals? What about the 6 men in front of him? Do you think Morgan would have handled them situations better?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 19, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
How was the first goal his fault?? He shouldn't have been beat at his near post for the second but it was a freak goal in that the Cavan man just swung a leg at it and it scrapped the inside of the post. The third was a disaster, he had to stand his ground there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 19, 2016, 08:09:11 PM
Lots of room for improvement for Tyrone today but we still could've won by 5 or 6. It might be a good result for us for two reason. Firstly it dampens the hype. Secondly I think our FB line is slightly porous and have been protected by Colm Cavanagh for some time now. Today Cavan bypassed CC and Tyrone were left vulnerable. Perhaps we can reshape that part of the team before it bites us again.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Justy, McNabb and perhaps the links of Hampsey or someone in the next day. Not sure if Sludden is the man for CHB too. I thought Cavan found it too easy to get balls into their FF line today, although I wouldn't blame Sludden entirely for this.

Did anyone think Tyrone looked very leggy today? The speed of movement was not what it was v Derry. Even Cavanagh one time threw a wobbler with his colleagues re that in the first half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 19, 2016, 08:51:28 PM
Yeah they were so leatharic during the game I couldn't believe it. Build up play was so slow ponderous. Anyway the game changed for me when Micky oneill hit the poor kickout to Rory Brennan, Cavan scored and the whole momentum swung to Cavan. He is alright of a keeper but Morgan is by far superior. Two of their goals were spuare balls I thought
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on June 22, 2016, 10:09:43 PM
the only goal o neill could be blamed for was the last in that he was never going to get to the flight of the ball from where he started. the first goal was not his fault mcshane and donnelly tore apart on the right and the second was cathal mccarrons for watching the ball and leaving moynagh on the post alone schoolboy defending. tyrones full backline is suspect hence cavnagh and mattie donelly having to sit all day to protect them. o neill should stay, mind you standing behind mccarron mccrory and mcnamee he might be happy enough on the bench. major surgery needed 2-4.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 26, 2016, 01:11:29 PM
Any word on possible TV coverage of the replay next weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on June 26, 2016, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 26, 2016, 01:11:29 PM
Any word on possible TV coverage of the replay next weekend?

Rte1 at 2pm I heard
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on June 26, 2016, 02:10:54 PM
tyrone cavan match maybe switched to sat to allow donegal monaghan xtra day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 26, 2016, 03:07:37 PM
no change to game next sunday still 4 pm other replay sat at 7
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on June 26, 2016, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 26, 2016, 03:07:37 PM
no change to game next sunday still 4 pm other replay sat at 7

Just typifies the whole unfairness of our championship structures. Two teams get 14 days rest/preparation time for a replay while 2 other teams in the same competition are forced to play again 6 days later. Ridiculous that cavan Tyrone wasn't played this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on June 28, 2016, 10:03:10 AM
Tyrone Team for Sunday???
Morgan
McNamee McMahon McCarron
Sludden Brennan McCann
Matty Colm
Harte McCurry Richie
Skeet Sean RO'N

That means O'Neill, McRory, Bradley and McShane dropped....

Am I missing anyone obvious? Thoughts???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 28, 2016, 11:42:51 AM
Would have Meyler and McCurry on for Sludden and R Donnelly ,  but still 2 supersubs to have
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 28, 2016, 03:04:50 PM
I watched the game again last night on BBC and our whole half line was very well held.
Cavan seemed to really target T.McCann as he shipped a lot of rough tackles and knocks.
As Norf said before we looked very leggy and slow all over the field.

Also thought the half forward line was poor enough and will be disappointed if Bradley starts this time.
Also think Meyler is a better option than McShane as he seems to work harder.
Is Justy fully fit? Is Joey just there to make up the numbers now. I presume he's got even slower than last year.

I can see Cavan continuing to hit in high ball just to keep our sweepers from pushing forward to join the attack.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on June 28, 2016, 03:56:14 PM
im not his biggest fan, but as someone pointed out previously, why would you drop Mcrory when he marked Mckiernan out of the game the last day?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on June 28, 2016, 04:02:00 PM
If nothing else I'd at least put McCarron on Givney...McNamee can't handle him at all....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 28, 2016, 04:23:28 PM
joey still could do a job or else he wouldnt have stayed on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on June 29, 2016, 06:19:43 AM
justin will come into defence with sludden moved to attack probably at the expense of richie donnelly who was very poor v cavan first day. bradley is also under pressure but will get another chance as he does make good runs he just needs a score or two to get going. mcshane is an interesting one he has it all but lacks a bit of experience but he gave cavan a lot of trouble in the first half with his movement. personally id start mcshane in midfield and push mattie forward to 14 but harte probably doesent trust mcshane to do the double sweeper role. defence is always the priority. mattie at 14 please if we are going to win anything this year. morgan may come in for oneill and id play mccurry instead of mcaliskey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on June 30, 2016, 09:41:07 AM
You obviously don't watch much football Dire Ear????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2016, 05:58:45 PM
Well he's no Audi Hamilton, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on June 30, 2016, 09:06:46 PM
Richie Donnelly dropped from team and out of 26..is he injured?
Our bench carries no fire power, Meyler and McGeary are forwards but aren't scoring threats. Can anyone tell us why Lee Brennan can't even make the 26?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on July 01, 2016, 05:08:43 PM
Only two changes made to the team. Somehow i can see more changes before the start.
Cant see McShane starting and i cant see harte playing Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey, Bradley and McCurry together.

Morgan
McCrory
McNammee/McMahon
McCarron
Brennan
McMahon/McNamee
McCann
Cavanagh
Donnelly
Sludden
McCurry
Harte
McAliskey
Cavanagh
O'Neill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 02, 2016, 07:58:18 AM
I think their will definitely be changes, think Rory Brennan, Meyler and Justy will all come in to the starting team tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 03, 2016, 08:36:58 PM
McShane was Tyrone's best half forward v Derry and probably in the top 3 players on show. He was also best of a bad bunch in terms of half forwards v Cavan in day one. However through my club coloured spectacles a lot of people wanted him dropped.

A decent performance today I hear?

He appears to be one of the first attackers to find range in all 3 games, and settles Tyrone into their stride. Not saying he's player of the year or anything, but delighted to see him make his mark.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on July 03, 2016, 08:40:28 PM
Ran the legs of himself but tired and has earned his place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 03, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
We have serious options of the bench. Every man can do a job. U can tell by a warm up how focused a team is and we were tuned in today. Donegal will b a battle royale with no love lost between the two teams. The question is who will man mark Murphy. Surely he won't be left free. Is Mcrory an option after nullifying mckernan over the two games. Theres better footballers than aidy but he never left mckierans side the whole two games. Perhaps Matty might be a better option but u don't want take away from is game either.If he plays full forward justy will take him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on July 03, 2016, 10:51:32 PM
In the first half today when it was tight, he scored two points, won a score able free and set-up a goal. Arguably Tyrone's best performer in the first half
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 03, 2016, 11:07:29 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 03, 2016, 10:51:32 PM
In the first half today when it was tight, he scored two points, won a score able free and set-up a goal. Arguably Tyrone's best performer in the first half

Im.not convinced tho. Takes the wrong option too many times. Wont get away with that the next day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 03, 2016, 11:38:43 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 03, 2016, 08:36:58 PM
McShane was Tyrone's best half forward v Derry and probably in the top 3 players on show. He was also best of a bad bunch in terms of half forwards v Cavan in day one. However through my club coloured spectacles a lot of people wanted him dropped.

A decent performance today I hear?

He appears to be one of the first attackers to find range in all 3 games, and settles Tyrone into their stride. Not saying he's player of the year or anything, but delighted to see him make his mark.

Really pleased that's he's making an impact too. I do think he shoots a little too much from distance but you would take a 2 point return every day of the week. Donegal will be the big test for him like many others in the side. Fair play to him anyway he's going well so far having not played much (if any?) league football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2016, 10:01:42 AM
Quote from: redzone on July 03, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
We have serious options of the bench. Every man can do a job. U can tell by a warm up how focused a team is and we were tuned in today. Donegal will b a battle royale with no love lost between the two teams. The question is who will man mark Murphy. Surely he won't be left free. Is Mcrory an option after nullifying mckernan over the two games. Theres better footballers than aidy but he never left mckierans side the whole two games. Perhaps Matty might be a better option but u don't want take away from is game either.If he plays full forward justy will take him.

McKiernan kicked 7 points yesterday, 3 from play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on July 04, 2016, 10:07:57 AM
Justy will take Murphy as he did last year in Ballybofey. He will stick with him, no matter where the play is and hope to get as good a outcome personally as last year whereby he nullified Murphy but we still ended up losing !!.

Donegal physically look much stronger than us but hopefully we are more mobile and more clinical when it matters. We cannot afford to miss any free kicks inside 45/50 from here on....

It is becoming a joke that we have players who cant score regularly from straight forward free kicks...it will cost us big time !!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2016, 11:45:57 AM
I thought McShane was much better yesterday than he was in the first game. Was much more involved and laid off some good simple passes rather than trying to do too much. He does try some over optimistic shots sometimes but he is a good kicker of the ball. I thought Meyler had surpassed him this year in the pecking order but I'm not so sure any more.
Hard to believe McCurry has fallen so far down the pecking order whereas McAliskey must be one of our best forwards nearly every day now. Didn't realise that was only his first ever championship goal. McCurry used to be our top scorer for the past number of years but his accuracy seems a little off this year.
I wonder how a Joe McMahon at corner forward v Donegal would mix things up. Space and time on the ball with be in short supply in the final so no place for people with slow decision making.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 04, 2016, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2016, 10:01:42 AM
Quote from: redzone on July 03, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
We have serious options of the bench. Every man can do a job. U can tell by a warm up how focused a team is and we were tuned in today. Donegal will b a battle royale with no love lost between the two teams. The question is who will man mark Murphy. Surely he won't be left free. Is Mcrory an option after nullifying mckernan over the two games. Theres better footballers than aidy but he never left mckierans side the whole two games. Perhaps Matty might be a better option but u don't want take away from is game either.If he plays full forward justy will take him.

McKiernan kicked 7 points yesterday, 3 from play.

To be fair, almost all his scores came when the match was won and was being played at challenge match intensity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 04, 2016, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2016, 10:01:42 AM
Quote from: redzone on July 03, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
We have serious options of the bench. Every man can do a job. U can tell by a warm up how focused a team is and we were tuned in today. Donegal will b a battle royale with no love lost between the two teams. The question is who will man mark Murphy. Surely he won't be left free. Is Mcrory an option after nullifying mckernan over the two games. Theres better footballers than aidy but he never left mckierans side the whole two games. Perhaps Matty might be a better option but u don't want take away from is game either.If he plays full forward justy will take him.

McKiernan kicked 7 points yesterday, 3 from play.

McKiernan did very little in the 3 games when they were I'm the melting pot. McCrory did a very good job on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 04, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
It really looks like Tyrone have been working on being much more clinical when it comes to creating and taking goal chances. I know the game descended into a bit of a farce by mid way through the second half but I can't remember a Tyrone team creating so many goal chances or actually scoring 5 goals in a championship match before. If Mickey looked at 3 goals in 7 game last year as a weakness in our game then the return of 8 goals in 3 games must be very pleasing. The most impressive goal for me was Rory Brennan's effort, the angle from behind the goals shows the ground he made up to get back involved in a play that 9 out of 10 times he wouldn't have seen the ball returned to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on July 05, 2016, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 04, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
It really looks like Tyrone have been working on being much more clinical when it comes to creating and taking goal chances. I know the game descended into a bit of a farce by mid way through the second half but I can't remember a Tyrone team creating so many goal chances or actually scoring 5 goals in a championship match before. If Mickey looked at 3 goals in 7 game last year as a weakness in our game then the return of 8 goals in 3 games must be very pleasing. The most impressive goal for me was Rory Brennan's effort, the angle from behind the goals shows the ground he made up to get back involved in a play that 9 out of 10 times he wouldn't have seen the ball returned to him.

Brennan goal was a superb team effort and just shows you to continue your run on but you still gota say that Skeets goal was the most impressive, not to often you see a 60 yard run with ball in a County match,a devastating counter attack!! Even if he needed to slip a man in he had Harte who went the full length of the field beside him!
Tyrone lookin sh*t hot by the way!!!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 05, 2016, 01:35:26 PM
We will see if anybody gets to run 60 metres with the ball the next day!!! And it was more like 80 yards.........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 05, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on July 05, 2016, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 04, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
It really looks like Tyrone have been working on being much more clinical when it comes to creating and taking goal chances. I know the game descended into a bit of a farce by mid way through the second half but I can't remember a Tyrone team creating so many goal chances or actually scoring 5 goals in a championship match before. If Mickey looked at 3 goals in 7 game last year as a weakness in our game then the return of 8 goals in 3 games must be very pleasing. The most impressive goal for me was Rory Brennan's effort, the angle from behind the goals shows the ground he made up to get back involved in a play that 9 out of 10 times he wouldn't have seen the ball returned to him.

Brennan goal was a superb team effort and just shows you to continue your run on but you still gota say that Skeets goal was the most impressive, not to often you see a 60 yard run with ball in a County match,a devastating counter attack!! Even if he needed to slip a man in he had Harte who went the full length of the field beside him!
Tyrone lookin sh*t hot by the way!!!


I agree Skeet's goal was the more eye catching but like The Trap said, that's not going to happen again whereas the move for Brennan's goal would cut open any defence!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 05, 2016, 09:59:15 PM
Surely the best goal moves were both of Harte's goals. On each occasion Cavan had their full defensive structure in place compared to goals 3-5 when they had committed to Kamikaze defending and we moved up the field virtually unopposed. Harte's second goal was a fantastic move with a great run and offload by Sludden to McCann moving through at pace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on July 16, 2016, 04:54:39 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór
12 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh

16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
19 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
20 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 – Padraig McNulty – Pádraig Mac an Ultaigh
25 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór
26 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh

Unchanged starting team as expected but can someone explain the change on the bench of Conor Clarke for Conor Meyler.
A player who has seen no minutes since the McKenna cup and a player who could quite possibly be our first sub on and has a big role to play across the rest of the season.
Seems beyond strange to me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 16, 2016, 08:24:13 PM
Meyler has been struggling with injury all season. Can only presume he isnt fit to partake.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 17, 2016, 09:36:58 AM
Few notable exclusions in this. Sure to cause a lot of debate! The big ones for me would be Philip Jordan and Brian Mcguigan.

*** THE DREAM TEAM ***

The Tyrone Dream Team, as chosen by a panel of experts. The team is below-

1. Thady Turbitt
2. Joe McMahon
3. Cormac McAnallen
4. Joe Mallon
5. Kevin McCabe
6. Conor Gormley
7. Matthew Donnelly
8. Jody O'Neill
9. Eugene McKenna
10. Brian Dooher
11. Sean Cavanagh
12. Iggy Jones
13. Frank Donnelly
14. Frank McGuigan
15. Peter Canavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 18, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2016, 09:36:58 AM
Few notable exclusions in this. Sure to cause a lot of debate! The big ones for me would be Philip Jordan and Brian Mcguigan.

*** THE DREAM TEAM ***

The Tyrone Dream Team, as chosen by a panel of experts. The team is below-

1. Thady Turbitt
2. Joe McMahon
3. Cormac McAnallen
4. Joe Mallon
5. Kevin McCabe
6. Conor Gormley
7. Matthew Donnelly
8. Jody O'Neill
9. Eugene McKenna
10. Brian Dooher
11. Sean Cavanagh
12. Iggy Jones
13. Frank Donnelly
14. Frank McGuigan
15. Peter Canavan

You could add Stephen O'Neill to that list of notable absentees.  Any idea who the experts were?  I am baffled how Philip Jordan wasn't picked at no.7.  He was a main stay of Harte's team from 2003 until his retirement.  I don't think he missed a championship game in that time (feel free to correct me).  Philly has 4 All Stars, 3 All Ireland's. How not one person but a panel can pick Matty as an all time great ahead of Jordan is insulting.  Matty is an excellent player, is he a half back? I am not slating him, hopefully with him the best is yet to come and he will cement his place in that team.  For me Jordan was one of the automatic picks along with Canavan, McGuigan (Snr), Cavanagh and Gormley.

But its a game of opinions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on July 18, 2016, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 18, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2016, 09:36:58 AM
Few notable exclusions in this. Sure to cause a lot of debate! The big ones for me would be Philip Jordan and Brian Mcguigan.

*** THE DREAM TEAM ***

The Tyrone Dream Team, as chosen by a panel of experts. The team is below-

1. Thady Turbitt
2. Joe McMahon
3. Cormac McAnallen
4. Joe Mallon
5. Kevin McCabe
6. Conor Gormley
7. Matthew Donnelly
8. Jody O'Neill
9. Eugene McKenna
10. Brian Dooher
11. Sean Cavanagh
12. Iggy Jones
13. Frank Donnelly
14. Frank McGuigan
15. Peter Canavan

You could add Stephen O'Neill to that list of notable absentees.  Any idea who the experts were?  I am baffled how Philip Jordan wasn't picked at no.7.  He was a main stay of Harte's team from 2003 until his retirement.  I don't think he missed a championship game in that time (feel free to correct me).  Philly has 4 All Stars, 3 All Ireland's. How not one person but a panel can pick Matty as an all time great ahead of Jordan is insulting.  Matty is an excellent player, is he a half back? I am not slating him, hopefully with him the best is yet to come and he will cement his place in that team.  For me Jordan was one of the automatic picks along with Canavan, McGuigan (Snr), Cavanagh and Gormley.

But its a game of opinions

Cavanagh at mf, brian at 11 and Jordan at 7. SON has to be in there somewhere as well. Joey at cb based on one match? ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 18, 2016, 12:11:35 PM
Going by this; http://www.gaa.ie/football/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship/fixtures Tyrone and Dublin's quarter finals will be a double header on the Saturday evening.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on July 18, 2016, 01:52:03 PM
Who was the panel that decided the 'dream team '
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on July 18, 2016, 11:21:24 PM
Quote from: leenie on July 18, 2016, 01:52:03 PM
Who was the panel that decided the 'dream team '
There are 3 things that really got on my tits at the weekend ! Number 1 is that Drunragh dream team shit stirring fundraiser. Number 2 was the poor exchange rate in the pubs in Clones . Number 3 was the sight of Roisin Jordan stuck to Sean Cavanagh and his two little daughters during the presentation ; and just months ago she lead the coup to try and remove maybe the greatest manager of all times .Why did she not just sneak out the gate at the final whistle ; why did Drumragh host this dream team dung and why the f**k did I vote Brexit ? Don't give Jordan any tickets fir the final !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on July 19, 2016, 05:12:14 AM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on July 18, 2016, 11:21:24 PM
Quote from: leenie on July 18, 2016, 01:52:03 PM
Who was the panel that decided the 'dream team '
There are 3 things that really got on my tits at the weekend ! Number 1 is that Drunragh dream team shit stirring fundraiser. Number 2 was the poor exchange rate in the pubs in Clones . Number 3 was the sight of Roisin Jordan stuck to Sean Cavanagh and his two little daughters during the presentation ; and just months ago she lead the coup to try and remove maybe the greatest manager of all times .Why did she not just sneak out the gate at the final whistle ; why did Drumragh host this dream team dung and why the f**k did I vote Brexit ? Don't give Jordan any tickets fir the final !

To be fair, the Dream Team was an interesting competition. Certainly got debate going with my friends/family. And it's more compelling than just selling tickets for a draw.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on July 19, 2016, 07:24:29 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on July 19, 2016, 05:12:14 AM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on July 18, 2016, 11:21:24 PM
Quote from: leenie on July 18, 2016, 01:52:03 PM
Who was the panel that decided the 'dream team '
There are 3 things that really got on my tits at the weekend ! Number 1 is that Drunragh dream team shit stirring fundraiser. Number 2 was the poor exchange rate in the pubs in Clones . Number 3 was the sight of Roisin Jordan stuck to Sean Cavanagh and his two little daughters during the presentation ; and just months ago she lead the coup to try and remove maybe the greatest manager of all times .Why did she not just sneak out the gate at the final whistle ; why did Drumragh host this dream team dung and why the f**k did I vote Brexit ? Don't give Jordan any tickets fir the final !

To be fair, the Dream Team was an interesting competition. Certainly got debate going with my friends/family. And it's more compelling than just selling tickets for a draw.

Catch yourselfon Kev. It was a fundraiser. These teams are always going to be debatable. Look at the all stars ffs. People never agree with the final team and they all play in a single year.  a team that covers different eras is even harder as football has changed so much.  Would Peter the Great be the same player in the current system with 3 defenders sitting in front of him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on July 19, 2016, 08:12:34 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on Today at 05:12:14 AM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on July 18, 2016, 11:21:24 PM
Quote from: leenie on July 18, 2016, 01:52:03 PM
Who was the panel that decided the 'dream team '
There are 3 things that really got on my tits at the weekend ! Number 1 is that Drunragh dream team shit stirring fundraiser. Number 2 was the poor exchange rate in the pubs in Clones . Number 3 was the sight of Roisin Jordan stuck to Sean Cavanagh and his two little daughters during the presentation ; and just months ago she lead the coup to try and remove maybe the greatest manager of all times .Why did she not just sneak out the gate at the final whistle ; why did Drumragh host this dream team dung and why the f**k did I vote Brexit ? Don't give Jordan any tickets fir the final !

To be fair, the Dream Team was an interesting competition. Certainly got debate going with my friends/family. And it's more compelling than just selling tickets for a draw.

Catch yourselfon Kev. It was a fundraiser. These teams are always going to be debatable. Look at the all stars ffs. People never agree with the final team and they all play in a single year.  a team that covers different eras is even harder as football has changed so much.  Would Peter the Great be the same player in the current system with 3 defenders sitting in front of him

Hell yeah!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on July 19, 2016, 09:07:47 AM
Well said Uncle Kev!!!! Jordan!! make ye sick!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on July 20, 2016, 11:46:19 AM
Quote from: driveherin on July 19, 2016, 09:07:47 AM
Well said Uncle Kev!!!! Jordan!! make ye sick!
driveherin thank you for sharing your dislike of the ginger chairwoman !she tried to get rid of Mickey and now she's riding the limelight ! Stop the world and let me off !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2016, 09:36:58 AM
Few notable exclusions in this. Sure to cause a lot of debate! The big ones for me would be Philip Jordan and Brian Mcguigan.

*** THE DREAM TEAM ***

The Tyrone Dream Team, as chosen by a panel of experts. The team is below-

1. Thady Turbitt
2. Joe McMahon
3. Cormac McAnallen
4. Joe Mallon
5. Kevin McCabe
6. Conor Gormley
7. Matthew Donnelly
8. Jody O'Neill
9. Eugene McKenna
10. Brian Dooher
11. Sean Cavanagh
12. Iggy Jones
13. Frank Donnelly
14. Frank McGuigan
15. Peter Canavan

Madness. If you were asked to write down a list of the best Tyrone players in any position Jordan would be immediately after Canavan/Cavanagh/F McGuigan. He's in the same bracket as Stephen O'Neill although Tyrone have been blessed by some great forwards so fitting O'Neill in was tough. The majority of us never saw Iggy or Donnelly so you have to take their word for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 21, 2016, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2016, 09:36:58 AM
Few notable exclusions in this. Sure to cause a lot of debate! The big ones for me would be Philip Jordan and Brian Mcguigan.

*** THE DREAM TEAM ***

The Tyrone Dream Team, as chosen by a panel of experts. The team is below-

1. Thady Turbitt
2. Joe McMahon
3. Cormac McAnallen
4. Joe Mallon
5. Kevin McCabe
6. Conor Gormley
7. Matthew Donnelly
8. Jody O'Neill
9. Eugene McKenna
10. Brian Dooher
11. Sean Cavanagh
12. Iggy Jones
13. Frank Donnelly
14. Frank McGuigan
15. Peter Canavan

Madness. If you were asked to write down a list of the best Tyrone players in any position Jordan would be immediately after Canavan/Cavanagh/F McGuigan. He's in the same bracket as Stephen O'Neill although Tyrone have been blessed by some great forwards so fitting O'Neill in was tough. The majority of us never saw Iggy or Donnelly so you have to take their word for it.

I appreciate that picking the team involved a bit of politics and the different eras had to get represented, and of course those picking probably have seen more eras than me. But for my money, Jordan was the best half back of his generation in a team who won 3 all Irelands and O'Neill was footballer of the year in 2005, I.e. the best footballer in the land, not too many can lay claim to that sort of accolade. Those two would be close to any dream team in my opinion, never mind one just restricted to Tyrone players.. But it's all about opinions which what made the competition good craic. Oh and if I had a choice in 1986 to select a corner back I would have picked John Lynch everytime over Joe Mallon. But fair play to Drumragh a good competition, certainly sparked plenty of debate in my household.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on July 21, 2016, 12:11:18 AM
This isn't just about boobs Jordan, There was another man who scored 4 goals on his county debut, played for the moy and not even close  to that team. Drumragh could split the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on July 21, 2016, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 21, 2016, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2016, 09:36:58 AM
Few notable exclusions in this. Sure to cause a lot of debate! The big ones for me would be Philip Jordan and Brian Mcguigan.

*** THE DREAM TEAM ***

The Tyrone Dream Team, as chosen by a panel of experts. The team is below-

1. Thady Turbitt
2. Joe McMahon
3. Cormac McAnallen
4. Joe Mallon
5. Kevin McCabe
6. Conor Gormley
7. Matthew Donnelly
8. Jody O'Neill
9. Eugene McKenna
10. Brian Dooher
11. Sean Cavanagh
12. Iggy Jones
13. Frank Donnelly
14. Frank McGuigan
15. Peter Canavan

Madness. If you were asked to write down a list of the best Tyrone players in any position Jordan would be immediately after Canavan/Cavanagh/F McGuigan. He's in the same bracket as Stephen O'Neill although Tyrone have been blessed by some great forwards so fitting O'Neill in was tough. The majority of us never saw Iggy or Donnelly so you have to take their word for it.

I appreciate that picking the team involved a bit of politics and the different eras had to get represented, and of course those picking probably have seen more eras than me. But for my money, Jordan was the best half back of his generation in a team who won 3 all Irelands and O'Neill was footballer of the year in 2005, I.e. the best footballer in the land, not too many can lay claim to that sort of accolade. Those two would be close to any dream team in my opinion, never mind one just restricted to Tyrone players.. But it's all about opinions which what made the competition good craic. Oh and if I had a choice in 1986 to select a corner back I would have picked John Lynch everytime over Joe Mallon. But fair play to Drumragh a good competition, certainly sparked plenty of debate in my household.

M Donnelly over Jordan? In what planet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on July 21, 2016, 08:38:28 AM
Surprised that Fay Devlin wasn't picked by the Drumragh panel.No disrespect to Joe Mallon but Fay was different class.Leaving out Jordan and Brian McGuigan were also baffling decisions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 21, 2016, 10:32:51 AM
Where does Munroe play for his club or what is is best position?
I noticed Niall McKenna on the panel on Sunday. What's the latest with his come back? Could we see him line out this year?

When can we expect Meyler back?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on July 21, 2016, 12:32:44 PM
Thanks to everyone who participated in the Dream Team. I know the selection left a lot of people wondering. The panel was erm, experienced, as we needed people who could compare the older players with the current and 00's bunch. Was always going to spark a few heated debates, and yes, Donnelly ahead of Jordan was the big one for me. But a successful night and appreciation must go to the teams who sold tickets and organised the event.

T'is hard to get unique and interesting fundraisers for clubs these days that isn't just knocking on the door and asking for money for a raffle. We're lucky that we have a great core of support that have come up with some great fundraisers over the last number of years. We've had the record for most amount of players in a GAA game, the great solo run, clash of the clans etc. Fund raising is such an important part for clubs these days given the overheads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 21, 2016, 12:50:29 PM
drumragh forward thinking ideas have generated finance for the impressive facilities they have and should be complimented for the effort they put in to raise funds
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 21, 2016, 02:55:02 PM
Fair play to Drumragh and I hope they raised a good total.   Their efforts to make this a significant, well publicised project were amazing and it then reflects as major bigger heads gone when the team was announced. That panel needs to stay off the drink and drugs that they were on when they agreed this team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on July 21, 2016, 05:40:00 PM
Even a Moortown man would agree that Fay Devlin is one of Tyrones best ever defenders
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 21, 2016, 09:02:33 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 21, 2016, 12:32:44 PM
Thanks to everyone who participated in the Dream Team. I know the selection left a lot of people wondering. The panel was erm, experienced, as we needed people who could compare the older players with the current and 00's bunch. Was always going to spark a few heated debates, and yes, Donnelly ahead of Jordan was the big one for me. But a successful night and appreciation must go to the teams who sold tickets and organised the event.

T'is hard to get unique and interesting fundraisers for clubs these days that isn't just knocking on the door and asking for money for a raffle. We're lucky that we have a great core of support that have come up with some great fundraisers over the last number of years. We've had the record for most amount of players in a GAA game, the great solo run, clash of the clans etc. Fund raising is such an important part for clubs these days given the overheads.

You've a quer man doing photos and videos up there at the minute (I'll not name him on here). That stuff makes promotion of the Club much easier.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on July 25, 2016, 04:41:53 PM
It does indeed Norf. You would know all about that side of things!!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 25, 2016, 05:35:12 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 25, 2016, 04:41:53 PM
It does indeed Norf. You would know all about that side of things!!  ;)

Used to.

Your lad takes it to a new level though.

Fair play to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on July 26, 2016, 09:24:55 AM
Joe McMahon played the full game against us on Sunday and looked to be in good enough nick.Hopefully he'll be able to contribute for Tyrone in the coming weeks.Meyler didn't tog out so is obviously a long way from being fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 27, 2016, 08:39:25 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on July 26, 2016, 09:24:55 AM
Joe McMahon played the full game against us on Sunday and looked to be in good enough nick.Hopefully he'll be able to contribute for Tyrone in the coming weeks.Meyler didn't tog out so is obviously a long way from being fit.

Heard him talking to a few youngsters at the Donegal game, when he was by the perimeter, and he didn't sound too hopeful of being fit anytime soon (left hamstring I think he was gesturing at).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 31, 2016, 11:26:33 PM
I see the Tyrone CB have sent a warning to clubs re the high number of upper teir tickets they have been given for this Saturday.

Would it not make more sense to NOT put lower tier tickets on line or in shops.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 31, 2016, 11:35:27 PM
Do you think your club will get the numbers to cover requests,Norf? I'm beginning to panic that my request will not be met due to high demand!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on July 31, 2016, 11:48:38 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 31, 2016, 11:35:27 PM
Do you think your club will get the numbers to cover requests,Norf? I'm beginning to panic that my request will not be met due to high demand!

The statement does say that they have enough tickets in their allocation to meet all requests from Clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 11:53:43 PM
Can't understand how this happened! Everyone with half a brain knew Dublin would win Leinster Arse over tit! So they knew what day Dublin would be playing in the Quarter final! The Mayo/Tyrone Quarter final should have been organised for today along with the other 2 Quarters!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on August 01, 2016, 07:48:03 AM
as regards the dream team lads any tyrone defence without ryan mcmenamin and phillip jordan come on. not one sam would have been up the road without the contributions of those two. mcmenamin is the best corner back that has ever played for tyrone and jordan without question the best winghalf weve ever produced.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 01, 2016, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on July 31, 2016, 11:48:38 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 31, 2016, 11:35:27 PM
Do you think your club will get the numbers to cover requests,Norf? I'm beginning to panic that my request will not be met due to high demand!

The statement does say that they have enough tickets in their allocation to meet all requests from Clubs.

That sounds pretty encouraging. Cheers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on August 01, 2016, 11:45:06 AM
Any men going to the Hill on Saturday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 01, 2016, 02:22:24 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 31, 2016, 11:26:33 PM
I see the Tyrone CB have sent a warning to clubs re the high number of upper teir tickets they have been given for this Saturday.

Would it not make more sense to NOT put lower tier tickets on line or in shops.

Here is that email:


**Important Information regarding All Ireland Quarter Final tickets**

A Chara

An update on ticket provision for the All-Ireland quarterfinals next Saturday.

Firstly, a word of thanks for receipt of the Club's orders by our deadline on Friday.

It is anticipated that Croke Park will be sold out for these two quarterfinals.

We have received an allocation of tickets and will be able to meet the requests - in terms of the numbers of tickets - submitted by Clubs on Friday.
Requests received subsequently cannot be guaranteed, at present.

As season-ticket holders (9000 in total - for the four competing counties) have been allocated seats in the lower Cusack Stand there will be very limited availability in this stand.

Almost half of the Tyrone tickets are for the upper decks of the three stands which means that it will not be possible to provide all the seated tickets that have been requested for the lower decks.
Every Club will be provided with a significant number of upper deck tickets, and also Davin stand tickets, in order to fill the orders received.
While some members may not find this to be a satisfactory, or an acceptable situation, it is beyond the control of the Club and the County.

I would request that you inform members that have placed orders of tickets with you that their expectations in terms of seats in specific locations Croke Park will not be met.

Thank you for your assistance and co-operation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on August 04, 2016, 01:09:20 PM
Quarter final tickets  available on gaa.ie  are  the minute

Upper tiers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on August 05, 2016, 07:44:17 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2016, 11:53:43 PM
Can't understand how this happened! Everyone with half a brain knew Dublin would win Leinster Arse over tit! So they knew what day Dublin would be playing in the Quarter final! The Mayo/Tyrone Quarter final should have been organised for today along with the other 2 Quarters!

I think it's part of the Sky Deal from 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 06, 2016, 05:44:56 PM
Lack of Scorer, ESPECIALLY from Free Kicks cost Tyrone today, simple as

I've said it before, Morgan isn't even the best keeper in EDENDORK ...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 06, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: Club boi on April 27, 2016, 04:28:32 PM
Come back on here with your tinted glasses OSE when he does it against Dublin, Mayo, Kerry or Donegal

OSE I'll just leave this here for you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 06, 2016, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 06, 2016, 05:44:56 PM
Lack of Scorer, ESPECIALLY from Free Kicks cost Tyrone today, simple as

I've said it before, Morgan isn't even the best keeper in EDENDORK ...........
Club boi you're not a bit saft !I watched Morgan closely today and he is too easily distracted! I told my premier level friends that if he was not relieved of free kicking duties then Tyrone would pay the ultimate price! As it turns out I am right once again . I feel like taking up a problem solver post with the county team !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 06, 2016, 10:57:13 PM
Morgan only misses by a few feet wide every time. It must be a technique thing where he gives it too much height and it sails wrong side of the post.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 06, 2016, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 06, 2016, 10:57:13 PM
Morgan only misses by a few feet wide every time. It must be a technique thing where he gives it too much height and it sails wrong side of the post.

And what's your point!!! May as well have hit the corner flag, neither would register as a score
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 06, 2016, 11:20:10 PM
Club boi u are a clown, no doubting that. U couldnt wait to get the dig in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 07, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
He's right though  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 07, 2016, 10:44:20 AM
you can have all the high tech stuff you want but its a man who can kick the ball over the bar from various distances and angles that is needed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 07, 2016, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: skeog on August 07, 2016, 10:44:20 AM
you can have all the high tech stuff you want but its a man who can kick the ball over the bar from various distances and angles that is needed
A WISE MAN TOLD ME RECENTLY "NIALL MORGAN IS A HIT AND HOPE KEEPER. GIOD FOR NAHIN.THE DAY A TEAM OF ELITE COUNTY PLAYERS ARE DEOENDING ON A GOALKEEPER THAT MISSES MORE THAN HE SCORES THRY MAY FORGET ABOUT IT "
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 07, 2016, 11:29:47 AM
Linden know it doesn't you fellas agenda but niall Morgan wasn't the reason tyrone lost yesterday so give it a rest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 07, 2016, 11:38:16 AM
Quote from: square_ball on August 07, 2016, 11:29:47 AM
Linden know it doesn't you fellas agenda but niall Morgan wasn't the reason tyrone lost yesterday so give it a rest.
[/quote. AS THE WISE MAN SAYS " HE DIDNT HELP MATTERS ; THE STATS WILL TELL THE TRUTH !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 07, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
I know club boi and uncle kev are on the wind up on this thread and don't contribute to a proper debate but Morgan is always an easy scapegoat for any tyrone loss.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 07, 2016, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: square_ball on August 07, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
I know club boi and uncle kev are on the wind up on this thread and don't contribute to a proper debate but Morgan is always an easy scapegoat for any tyrone loss.
I ain't blaming Morgan I am stating a fact that Tyrone badly need a free taker as this is the reason for them losing games !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on August 07, 2016, 12:22:49 PM
Niall Morgan,like everyone else yesterday was trying his best but unfortunately he had a bad day.He nailed a couple of big ones in the Ulster Final but couldn't hit a barn door yesterday.Oisin McConville said after the draw with Cavan that the lack of a consistent free taker would be our downfall.So it proved to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on August 07, 2016, 12:36:56 PM
Lets not get too dramatic, first loss of the year by a point, but its a sore and crucial one, watched the game again and there is a few glaring points
1- tyrone deserved to be beaten, more than enough chances to win by 2 or 3 (conversion rate not good this year, although scoring high enough returns)
2- carrying morgan, oneill, mcshane(particularly shooting decisions) - not good enough and under the high end pressure against top teams and potential game deciding moments they have proved they can't cope and disappear
3- panel depth - bradley too small (standard 50-50 ball into him on the d, he looks over his shoulder and doesn't commit - crucial stuff) mccurry should have started

plus points

sludden - outstanding year and transitioned to a v good club player to a very important cog in the wheel
usual - M Donnelly, Harte, C Cavanagh

And a separate point regarding s cavanagh and E O'Gara, D. Connolly, can refs not assume a forward of these guys ability not want to get involved in a wrestling match and it is the defenders that are the aggressors - negligent stuff
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 07, 2016, 01:33:44 PM
Not going to slag anyone as they give it a lot of their time. And I heard that Sean cavanagh and the mcmahons retired after the game, great servants to football. Good luck with the rest of your careers lads.
But the effing system........it is brutal to watch. Not once did I get off my seat yesterday and it was a one point game.
Does anyone think it will change next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 07, 2016, 01:49:38 PM
I am that sick of the modern day game that next year I am taking up caravan ing !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 07, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on August 07, 2016, 01:49:38 PM
I am that sick of the modern day game that next year I am taking up caravan ing !

You not going to a few of the club championship games? Or maybe you should run against your mate Ms Jordan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 07, 2016, 02:21:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 07, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on August 07, 2016, 01:49:38 PM
I am that sick of the modern day game that next year I am taking up caravan ing !

You not going to a few of the club championship games? Or maybe you should run against your mate Ms Jordan?
who do you think will be lying beside me in the caravan getting her groin fixed ! Need somebody to get her away from tormenting the people on the hill !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on August 07, 2016, 02:28:51 PM
Not going to slag off individual players on here but Tyrone are missing a couple of marquee inside forwards and a reliable free taker to win matches at the highest  level. The system we play will win you most games but not in Croke Park and the lack of inside forwards who can win their own ball and convert a high proportion of their chances is crucial. If it is true that Big Sean and the McMahons have retired then I would like to wish them the very best of luck great servants to Tyrone over the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on August 08, 2016, 07:42:56 AM
Dissappointing wkend! Just wasnt meant to be! Hard to believe that that is our first defeat this year!! Just have to look forward to nxt year and hope that 1 or 2 more boys step up!
A few names which come to mind in particular is Kieran McGeary who I think will become a regular and Lee Brennan who I cant understand why he's not even makin the 24, maybe he's injured but you could have guaranteed he wouldnt have missed thoses chances at the end if he was thrown on!
Also like to wish Conor Clarke a speedy recovery, I hear he done his cruciate again playin a challenge match for Omagh on Thursday night, in which Meyler and Big Joe played in aswel which probably tells me they where trying to get Joe as many minutes under the belt as possible and bring on the semi and have him ready for the Dubs in the final but it looks as if we wont be seeing him in a Tyrone game again now imo!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on August 08, 2016, 08:04:25 AM
I heard Mickey Harte post match interview on Radio Kerry yesterday. I don't know where it was recorded. It was a brilliant interview and a real honest view of the game.
It would have been so easy to let the interviewer lead him as many managers do but he was not swaying anyway from his view of the game. He sounded more like a
neutral educated observer than a defeated manager. I really wish GAA pundits and sports writers could act like that.
If we want to understand the truth about our games from we need this type of honesty from TV and Newspapers.

On an separate note and something I've referred to recently, the willingness of referees to hand out cards is destroying the game.
A  red card should be a last resort for a referee. It's the ultimate punishment for players and teams.
Sending a player off for two yellow cards is a punishment that rarely fits the crime.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on August 08, 2016, 10:09:51 AM
Gutted following the weekend - I hope we learn from this.  Brutal stuff to watch all the same and this system is sucking the life out of so many good footballers.  My problem is why do we have to resort to it. Are we protecting our fullback line, can we not produce forwards in Tyrone?  Why do we play a system where we have 3 half backs playing in our half forward line.  We almost beat Kerry last year playing with 2 forwards up yet this year we resort to playing with 1 up!!  Couldn't help but think how useful the likes of a Kyle Coney could have been yesterday - as man that can kick a point.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 08, 2016, 10:22:07 AM
I really hope S.Cavanagh commits to Tyrone next year.  He may wait until the club season is over and review the season as a whole.  He will have club aspirations as well as another crack at the Holy Grail.  I wouldn't be surprised if Moy don't have a championship run this year he puts his all into a club championship that is missing from his CV.  There are other leaders that could step up and I'm thinking one off P.Harte, M.Donnelly and C.Cavanagh as the next senior captain. Personally I feel if he has the desire and hunger to keep going he still has the quality to be in the Tyrone 15 for the 2017 season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on August 08, 2016, 10:33:55 AM
ronan o@neill complete dirt, 3 games in a row and no point from play!!!!! McShane near as bad. FFS why is lee breenan not on, best player in tyrone last year!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 08, 2016, 11:18:56 AM
Quote from: Quarterback on August 08, 2016, 10:09:51 AM
Gutted following the weekend - I hope we learn from this.  Brutal stuff to watch all the same and this system is sucking the life out of so many good footballers.  My problem is why do we have to resort to it. Are we protecting our fullback line, can we not produce forwards in Tyrone?  Why do we play a system where we have 3 half backs playing in our half forward line.  We almost beat Kerry last year playing with 2 forwards up yet this year we resort to playing with 1 up!!  Couldn't help but think how useful the likes of a Kyle Coney could have been yesterday - as man that can kick a point.
Not having forwards and not having a full back line may be the reason we have so many Half backs playing! We seem to be able to produce one type of footballer.

What players are out there. Who are the 5-6 points a match club men (I'll take from play or from frees)?
Who are the top clubs go to man markers?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on August 08, 2016, 11:59:06 AM
Sean Cavanagh is done guys....bar 15 minutes of magic Vs Donegal he had a very very quiet season? Serious servant to Tyrone from 2002 but when it's your time, it's your time.... Good luck SC!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 08, 2016, 12:13:05 PM
Was at the game with a Omagh lad who now lives over in Liverpool who was over with his son.
He was shocked how we lacked ideas going forward and how this defensive game seems to be dragging us down.

Are most people still believing in this style of play or has it run its course now? Donegal and ourselves are the main believers in it (maybe Monaghan) with 13 or 14 men behind the ball. Kerry, Mayo and Dubs use it to some extent but when you come up against teams who play the same way it really does make for an awful game.
My mate noticed how little the Tyrone fans were shouting for their team and wondered was it the style of play that was putting people off.

There did seem to be a lack of support play and players breaking at pace off the shoulder
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 08, 2016, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on August 08, 2016, 10:09:51 AM
Gutted following the weekend - I hope we learn from this.  Brutal stuff to watch all the same and this system is sucking the life out of so many good footballers.  My problem is why do we have to resort to it. Are we protecting our fullback line, can we not produce forwards in Tyrone?  Why do we play a system where we have 3 half backs playing in our half forward line.  We almost beat Kerry last year playing with 2 forwards up yet this year we resort to playing with 1 up!!  Couldn't help but think how useful the likes of a Kyle Coney could have been yesterday - as man that can kick a point.
I seen Kyle Coney playing up in Killyclogher last Sunday ; he's either injured or else the football has left him . Desperate to think that he was as good as Matty Donnelly, Pety Harte and Aiden O Se! He's living of the 2008 name at minor level and unlike the above men hadn't in it in him to better himself for a life at Senior level . He would have probably won the game for us on Saturday as he has an abundance of talent just like another wasted talent Dan Mc Nulty . It's going to be hard to replace big strong men like the mcmahons and Sean Cavanagh . I thought Richy Donnelly would have been an option going on his club performances for Trillick and a good NL campaign. However this is all just an opinion and don't castigate me for stating an opinion ! As regards Mickey Harte he's a genius for getting us to this level with this bunch of players.I ll finish my rant with a good one. Several years ago in Riscommon at a qualifier game I heard a man say he would nt go to another tyrone game if Colm Cavanagh was playing; this individual has now made peace with himself and boldly states he won't go near another Tyrone game unless Colly is on !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on August 08, 2016, 01:44:03 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on August 08, 2016, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on August 08, 2016, 10:09:51 AM
Gutted following the weekend - I hope we learn from this.  Brutal stuff to watch all the same and this system is sucking the life out of so many good footballers.  My problem is why do we have to resort to it. Are we protecting our fullback line, can we not produce forwards in Tyrone?  Why do we play a system where we have 3 half backs playing in our half forward line.  We almost beat Kerry last year playing with 2 forwards up yet this year we resort to playing with 1 up!!  Couldn't help but think how useful the likes of a Kyle Coney could have been yesterday - as man that can kick a point.
I seen Kyle Coney playing up in Killyclogher last Sunday ; he's either injured or else the football has left him . Desperate to think that he was as good as Matty Donnelly, Pety Harte and Aiden O Se! He's living of the 2008 name at minor level and unlike the above men hadn't in it in him to better himself for a life at Senior level . He would have probably won the game for us on Saturday as he has an abundance of talent just like another wasted talent Dan Mc Nulty . It's going to be hard to replace big strong men like the mcmahons and Sean Cavanagh . I thought Richy Donnelly would have been an option going on his club performances for Trillick and a good NL campaign. However this is all just an opinion and don't castigate me for stating an opinion ! As regards Mickey Harte he's a genius for getting us to this level with this bunch of players.I ll finish my rant with a good one. Several years ago in Riscommon at a qualifier game I heard a man say he would nt go to another tyrone game if Colm Cavanagh was playing; this individual has now made peace with himself and boldly states he won't go near another Tyrone game unless Colly is on !

Kyle might not have played that well, but he scored 3 great points from play and a free kick from the sideline close to the 13m line. Not a bad return. Couldnt understand why he wasnt hitting all Ardboes left footed free kicks, especially from distance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on August 08, 2016, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on August 08, 2016, 10:33:55 AM
ronan o@neill complete dirt, 3 games in a row and no point from play!!!!! McShane near as bad. FFS why is lee breenan not on, best player in tyrone last year!!!

It's hard to score when your other 14 teammates are 50m down the pitch and you're surrounded by 4 defenders.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on August 08, 2016, 05:44:39 PM
I'd love to see Conor McKenna come back from Australia.Anyone know if he's playing first team football out there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 08, 2016, 06:20:16 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on August 08, 2016, 05:44:39 PM
I'd love to see Conor McKenna come back from Australia.Anyone know if he's playing first team football out there?
Spot on Jeremy ! A quality player ! Hope to see him back soon in a Tyrone shirt but apparently he is going well in Oz !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on August 08, 2016, 06:24:03 PM
our full backline is the reason we play the way we do same for donegal. they are fantastic at charging up the field and giving a 5 yard handpass but andy moran dillon and o shea won an absolute fortune of ball on saturday. even when we had to chase the game we played 12 behind the ball. if you cannot mark your own man 1 on 1 then how can you call yourself a county defender. dublin played one extra back sat, it was cian o sullivan. we need 2 sweepers and wing forwards sitting in front of them. mccarron was pitiful on saturday as was mcnamee. mccrory who can cover and run all day long has no physical presence as a defender and has no idea with ball in hand. all 3 are not up to it. i have advocated a target man at full forward all season the only one that fits the bill is mattie. we have far too many athlete/worker types with no end product other than running in space. each team needs 1 or 2 not 6. harte has got more conservative as his reign prolongs. nothing has changed this year and we drifted out of the all ireland series for the same reasons as last year. repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome come on!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on August 08, 2016, 09:12:40 PM
Second game in a row the opposition catch the 2nd half throw-in clean, run forward, quick pass & score. Why doesn't Sean jump for the throw-in? Mattie doesn't have the aerial ability.

Small point maybe but major impact when you lose by 1pt
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 12:31:29 AM
McNamee was excellent last year but he's been very poor this year.

Don't get some of the flak going McCarron's way, thought he had a good game and was one of the players who really tried to push us over the line near the end.

The weaknesses now are obvious, we lack a target man in the full forward line, Cavanagh is more comfortable out the pitch and does his best work there. I'd really like to Niall McKenna given an extended run there or Danny McNulty get a go.

The free taking issue is a serious on, teams know where they can foul us and get away lightly. Sadly I don't really see much of a solution here.

I can't think of many players who will add to the team now that aren't there. I'd imagine Joe McMahon is done now, would hope Justy and Sean Cavanagh give it another year.

Mark Kavanagh is a very classy player, think he will get a chance next year. How is Conan Grugan going for Omagh these days, would he warrant a recall?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 09, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
McKenna scored for Essendon at the weekend
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/video/2016-08-07/btv-rd20-mckennas-brilliant-run-finish-august-7-2016 (http://www.essendonfc.com.au/video/2016-08-07/btv-rd20-mckennas-brilliant-run-finish-august-7-2016)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2016, 10:54:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 12:31:29 AM
McNamee was excellent last year but he's been very poor this year.

Don't get some of the flak going McCarron's way, thought he had a good game and was one of the players who really tried to push us over the line near the end.

The weaknesses now are obvious, we lack a target man in the full forward line, Cavanagh is more comfortable out the pitch and does his best work there. I'd really like to Niall McKenna given an extended run there or Danny McNulty get a go.

The free taking issue is a serious on, teams know where they can foul us and get away lightly. Sadly I don't really see much of a solution here.

I can't think of many players who will add to the team now that aren't there. I'd imagine Joe McMahon is done now, would hope Justy and Sean Cavanagh give it another year.

Mark Kavanagh is a very classy player, think he will get a chance next year. How is Conan Grugan going for Omagh these days, would he warrant a recall?

I like Kavanagh. I think he's a class act. However is he not a bit more of what we have.

I think we've a lot of players that are same ish.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 09, 2016, 01:05:32 PM
How can Mickey Harte and Sean Cavanagh say this is the best group of players they have ever worked with? How are they even close to the team of the noughties??
And they talk about the squad strength......well if that's true then how come the same team started 3 games in a row? Has nobody else put their hand up in training and said I want on this team???? In A V B in house games have the 15 players on the A team been better than their opponents?
How can there be a real competition for places if the same team gets picked no matter what. Need to learn from Kilkenny who reward training performances.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2016, 10:54:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 12:31:29 AM
McNamee was excellent last year but he's been very poor this year.

Don't get some of the flak going McCarron's way, thought he had a good game and was one of the players who really tried to push us over the line near the end.

The weaknesses now are obvious, we lack a target man in the full forward line, Cavanagh is more comfortable out the pitch and does his best work there. I'd really like to Niall McKenna given an extended run there or Danny McNulty get a go.

The free taking issue is a serious on, teams know where they can foul us and get away lightly. Sadly I don't really see much of a solution here.

I can't think of many players who will add to the team now that aren't there. I'd imagine Joe McMahon is done now, would hope Justy and Sean Cavanagh give it another year.

Mark Kavanagh is a very classy player, think he will get a chance next year. How is Conan Grugan going for Omagh these days, would he warrant a recall?

I like Kavanagh. I think he's a class act. However is he not a bit more of what we have.

I think we've a lot of players that are same ish.

We do but he I think he is worth a try and might prove himself to have a bit more about him than some of them.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 09, 2016, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 09, 2016, 01:05:32 PM
How can Mickey Harte and Sean Cavanagh say this is the best group of players they have ever worked with? How are they even close to the team of the noughties??
And they talk about the squad strength......well if that's true then how come the same team started 3 games in a row? Has nobody else put their hand up in training and said I want on this team???? In A V B in house games have the 15 players on the A team been better than their opponents?
How can there be a real competition for places if the same team gets picked no matter what. Need to learn from Kilkenny who reward training performances.....

I don't find it strange for Mickey to say that he rates this team as his best.  I'm presuming that means in the 13 years of his leadership, this current team is probably the fittest, strongest and raising the bar of what he seen in 03, 05 and 08 by there stats.  The problem is that other counties have raised the bar higher again.

The Tyrone team of the noughties were the standard of that time, if that makes sense.  Mickey also had his tactics spot on.

Agree what your saying about the training.  I thought this would have been a big year for Lee Brennan and Conor Meyler.  Not to be, next year maybe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 09, 2016, 01:24:25 PM
Oh stats....right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2016, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2016, 10:54:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 12:31:29 AM
McNamee was excellent last year but he's been very poor this year.

Don't get some of the flak going McCarron's way, thought he had a good game and was one of the players who really tried to push us over the line near the end.

The weaknesses now are obvious, we lack a target man in the full forward line, Cavanagh is more comfortable out the pitch and does his best work there. I'd really like to Niall McKenna given an extended run there or Danny McNulty get a go.

The free taking issue is a serious on, teams know where they can foul us and get away lightly. Sadly I don't really see much of a solution here.

I can't think of many players who will add to the team now that aren't there. I'd imagine Joe McMahon is done now, would hope Justy and Sean Cavanagh give it another year.

Mark Kavanagh is a very classy player, think he will get a chance next year. How is Conan Grugan going for Omagh these days, would he warrant a recall?

I like Kavanagh. I think he's a class act. However is he not a bit more of what we have.

I think we've a lot of players that are same ish.

We do but he I think he is worth a try and might prove himself to have a bit more about him than some of them.

Sorry. Worded badly by me.

What I meant was, I'm sure he could take a place in the 15 but us he the scoring foward we crave. That man that can hit 1-3 or so every game. I think Lee Brennan can do this, Kavanagh can help but do we need another.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 09, 2016, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 09, 2016, 01:24:25 PM
Oh stats....right.

That's just my presumption of what he means, that the physical fitness of this side is greater than he's ever previously worked with.  So they run faster, jump higher etc etc.  Obviously with the full time appointment of Peter Donnelly this should be expected.  However during that time other counties have upped their game.  These men are professional in all but name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on August 09, 2016, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2016, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2016, 10:54:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 12:31:29 AM
McNamee was excellent last year but he's been very poor this year.

Don't get some of the flak going McCarron's way, thought he had a good game and was one of the players who really tried to push us over the line near the end.

The weaknesses now are obvious, we lack a target man in the full forward line, Cavanagh is more comfortable out the pitch and does his best work there. I'd really like to Niall McKenna given an extended run there or Danny McNulty get a go.

The free taking issue is a serious on, teams know where they can foul us and get away lightly. Sadly I don't really see much of a solution here.

I can't think of many players who will add to the team now that aren't there. I'd imagine Joe McMahon is done now, would hope Justy and Sean Cavanagh give it another year.

Mark Kavanagh is a very classy player, think he will get a chance next year. How is Conan Grugan going for Omagh these days, would he warrant a recall?

I like Kavanagh. I think he's a class act. However is he not a bit more of what we have.

I think we've a lot of players that are same ish.

We do but he I think he is worth a try and might prove himself to have a bit more about him than some of them.

Sorry. Worded badly by me.

What I meant was, I'm sure he could take a place in the 15 but us he the scoring foward we crave. That man that can hit 1-3 or so every game. I think Lee Brennan can do this, Kavanagh can help but do we need another.

We need 2 men who reliably can hit 0-4/0-5 EVERY game, same two players hit free kicks and be 95% hit rate - other teams have it. We don't !!!

When was the last time we had 2 men hitting free kicks that we could totally rely on - from inside 50 yards !!! Mayo have O Connor, Kerry have Sheehan and Keaney/Gooch/oDonoghue, Dubs have Rock/Cluxton - we have zilch .....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 09, 2016, 02:20:09 PM
Tyrone GAA, you know I think you just summed up modern gaelic football.......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 09, 2016, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2016, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2016, 10:54:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 12:31:29 AM
McNamee was excellent last year but he's been very poor this year.

Don't get some of the flak going McCarron's way, thought he had a good game and was one of the players who really tried to push us over the line near the end.

The weaknesses now are obvious, we lack a target man in the full forward line, Cavanagh is more comfortable out the pitch and does his best work there. I'd really like to Niall McKenna given an extended run there or Danny McNulty get a go.

The free taking issue is a serious on, teams know where they can foul us and get away lightly. Sadly I don't really see much of a solution here.

I can't think of many players who will add to the team now that aren't there. I'd imagine Joe McMahon is done now, would hope Justy and Sean Cavanagh give it another year.

Mark Kavanagh is a very classy player, think he will get a chance next year. How is Conan Grugan going for Omagh these days, would he warrant a recall?

I like Kavanagh. I think he's a class act. However is he not a bit more of what we have.

I think we've a lot of players that are same ish.

We do but he I think he is worth a try and might prove himself to have a bit more about him than some of them.

Sorry. Worded badly by me.

What I meant was, I'm sure he could take a place in the 15 but us he the scoring foward we crave. That man that can hit 1-3 or so every game. I think Lee Brennan can do this, Kavanagh can help but do we need another.

We need 2 men who reliably can hit 0-4/0-5 EVERY game, same two players hit free kicks and be 95% hit rate - other teams have it. We don't !!!

When was the last time we had 2 men hitting free kicks that we could totally rely on - from inside 50 yards !!! Mayo have O Connor, Kerry have Sheehan and Keaney/Gooch/oDonoghue, Dubs have Rock/Cluxton - we have zilch .....

The free taking is a major issue, agreed.

The top forward one I don't know if it is that much an issue for us. I think what we could do is with a bit of variety in the full forward line, don't think Cavanagh is at home on the edge of the square and we certainly lack a big physical presence in there so we can mix it up and go long and direct from time to time with a natural ball winner.

I'd like to see us try some options in here during the league and I think it would benefit the likes of McAliskey, McCurry, O'Neill, Brennan etc.

Whether we have a player good enough in the county to carry out this role is a bigger question but I'd like us to look at our options here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 09, 2016, 02:56:05 PM
Folks it's far too easy to say we need to find a few better forwards to kick 3 or 4 scores a game but in reality with the style of football we are playing it's nearly impossible against well organised teams that you find in Div 1.
Tyrone put up big scores v Derry & Cavan and Tipperary put up big score against Galway who are all Div 2 teams who tended to get caught on the break.
Ronan O'Neill and McAliskey really struggle to get scores as they get very little support and are often shooting under immense pressure. You saw the same with McBrearty at the weekend where he hardly got a touch as did Bernard Brogan so I don't think it's going to matter what forwards you have there if a team will surround them with extra men.

I think Mickey needs to revise our approach to how we attack and whilst we have got some level of success with playing such a defensive style game, I think you can see that Mayo, Dublin and Kerry all vary it a lot more and do sometimes kick the ball in over the blanket. Quite often Sludden broke through tackles on Saturday into a wee bit of space but when he looked up there was nobody in front of him to pass it to and so he had to come back and recyle which is very frustrating. Sean doesn't seem to like to stay in at FF but I think we do need a big strong player in there to win ball and shoot or feed others like AOS brought Cillian O'Connor and Moran into it on Saturday despite us having loads of men back.

In my eyes we already have a lot of talented players including forwards but we are coaching them all to think defensively first and that is why you often see them look backwards as soon as they get the ball rather than look up for runs ahead of them. IMHO our forward play is being hugely sacrificed because of the rigid system we have signed up to.

As Paul Galvin said recently about Michael Murphy, that he lost the instinct to shoot. We can see how talented a kicker he is from the ground but how many shots does he have from play during a game this year. He often wins a ball and lays it off. If Donegal and Tyrone committed more bodies forward then it would give the other teams swarm defence more men to worry about. You rarely see Dublin only having 1 or 2 forwards up on their own.
I'd love to know what our forwards themselves think.

Re. Morgan and missing the frees. I'd love to see his success rate over the years now. He must be very good in training and at club games. I know he's a nice enough lad off the pitch but I wonder is he over confident in himself and so doesn't know his limits. He knows he has got a long range shot in him but as we saw from M.Murphy, it's when it gets that far out you tend to try too hard and so lose accuracy. I often wonder would it be better landing those ones in around the square instead?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2016, 03:30:51 PM
Fuzz, the style of play created plenty of chances to win that game. Would a Steven O'Neill have missed that last shot by McCurry? Would Mugsy have missed the goal chance by Skeet? That's before we even get to mention the free kicking. Is there anyone on the current team who you would back to score the free Canavan scored v Armagh to win the semi final in 2005? There's a lot of emphasis put on systems etc and I think Mickey has created a style of play that does match with the skill set he has available to him but ultimately if we don't have the players who can kick the ball over the bar or into the net when the big moments arrive then you will never succeed. Is the money invested in our developing squads producing these types of players? If not why not? I've been saying for years they we are churning out identikit, excellent ball players and runners but no specialists. I.e. Man markers, mid fielders, forwards who can regularly score and free takers. Until we do then we will struggle in the tightest of games against the top teams like Sunday!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on August 09, 2016, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 09, 2016, 02:56:05 PM
Folks it's far too easy to say we need to find a few better forwards to kick 3 or 4 scores a game but in reality with the style of football we are playing it's nearly impossible against well organised teams that you find in Div 1.
Tyrone put up big scores v Derry & Cavan and Tipperary put up big score against Galway who are all Div 2 teams who tended to get caught on the break.
Ronan O'Neill and McAliskey really struggle to get scores as they get very little support and are often shooting under immense pressure. You saw the same with McBrearty at the weekend where he hardly got a touch as did Bernard Brogan so I don't think it's going to matter what forwards you have there if a team will surround them with extra men.

I think Mickey needs to revise our approach to how we attack and whilst we have got some level of success with playing such a defensive style game, I think you can see that Mayo, Dublin and Kerry all vary it a lot more and do sometimes kick the ball in over the blanket. Quite often Sludden broke through tackles on Saturday into a wee bit of space but when he looked up there was nobody in front of him to pass it to and so he had to come back and recyle which is very frustrating. Sean doesn't seem to like to stay in at FF but I think we do need a big strong player in there to win ball and shoot or feed others like AOS brought Cillian O'Connor and Moran into it on Saturday despite us having loads of men back.

In my eyes we already have a lot of talented players including forwards but we are coaching them all to think defensively first and that is why you often see them look backwards as soon as they get the ball rather than look up for runs ahead of them. IMHO our forward play is being hugely sacrificed because of the rigid system we have signed up to.

As Paul Galvin said recently about Michael Murphy, that he lost the instinct to shoot. We can see how talented a kicker he is from the ground but how many shots does he have from play during a game this year. He often wins a ball and lays it off. If Donegal and Tyrone committed more bodies forward then it would give the other teams swarm defence more men to worry about. You rarely see Dublin only having 1 or 2 forwards up on their own.
I'd love to know what our forwards themselves think.

Re. Morgan and missing the frees. I'd love to see his success rate over the years now. He must be very good in training and at club games. I know he's a nice enough lad off the pitch but I wonder is he over confident in himself and so doesn't know his limits. He knows he has got a long range shot in him but as we saw from M.Murphy, it's when it gets that far out you tend to try too hard and so lose accuracy. I often wonder would it be better landing those ones in around the square instead?

Last year everyone thought Tyrone over achieved by running Kerrry close in a semi-final after relegation.

Ths year everyone thinks Tyrone underachieved by gaining promotion (similar to last years position), winning Ulster and narrowly losing to Mayo in a QF after meeting Monaghan at the same stage last year.

Maybe the best thing for Tyrone suporters to do is recognise where tyrone are, tweak what needs to be tweaked in the style of play and try to get better at it with a team that have a few years ahead of them.

If that can be done perhaps we can defend Ulster and progress futher in the AI.
It's early yet but the real target should be to get a good position in the league, defend Ulster and compete again in the AI.
For me that would be 3 years solid improvement and the style of play and individual players involved might get more credit than a one point loss to Mayo has given.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on August 09, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Police hunt for linesman attacker. Boys oh!! http://ulsterherald.com/2016/08/09/linesman-hospitalised-after-gaa-match-attack-in-tyrone/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 09, 2016, 04:36:43 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 09, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Police hunt for linesman attacker. Boys oh!! http://ulsterherald.com/2016/08/09/linesman-hospitalised-after-gaa-match-attack-in-tyrone/

Pomeroy Boys  :-X :-X :-X

I see nothing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 09, 2016, 05:06:31 PM
I know it's not going to help things for the next few years but I noticed the tyrone academy have been holding free kick coaching sessions with canavan and cush with the various age groups. Good idea imo at least trying something.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on August 09, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 09, 2016, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 09, 2016, 01:05:32 PM
How can Mickey Harte and Sean Cavanagh say this is the best group of players they have ever worked with? How are they even close to the team of the noughties??
And they talk about the squad strength......well if that's true then how come the same team started 3 games in a row? Has nobody else put their hand up in training and said I want on this team???? In A V B in house games have the 15 players on the A team been better than their opponents?
How can there be a real competition for places if the same team gets picked no matter what. Need to learn from Kilkenny who reward training performances.....

I don't find it strange for Mickey to say that he rates this team as his best.  I'm presuming that means in the 13 years of his leadership, this current team is probably the fittest, strongest and raising the bar of what he seen in 03, 05 and 08 by there stats.  The problem is that other counties have raised the bar higher again.

The Tyrone team of the noughties were the standard of that time, if that makes sense.  Mickey also had his tactics spot on.

Agree what your saying about the training.  I thought this would have been a big year for Lee Brennan and Conor Meyler.  Not to be, next year maybe.

Im sure Mickey or Sean didn't say that, as its dosent make any sense. 
I do think it is fair enough to say that Tyrone looked rusty/stale/no pace/ in comparison to 3 weeks ago.  Maybe the in house games are not working as well anymore and need looked at.  Then again if we look at Saturdays lesson and the 2014 all ireland final as well, unbalanced ultra defensive teams do not win all irelands any more so perhaps some more thinking needed as well. 
 
it will be interesting to see who will be there the next time we make Croke Park.  Croke Park rarely returns the chance, if you struggle there as a player you rarely come back from it.   These guys are great guys and have done their best and we are all thrilled with their Ulster this year.   Generally what people are accepting these are the best footballers we have, Without changes after Saturday I think it would be difficult to predict an  all Ireland title with this group so a huge reality check for us all.  Frees are a major problem, points from play under pressure - another one.   Comparisons with the Tyrone team of the noughties cannot be made in any sense and is unfair to the greatest group of footballers to have ever worn the red hand.  This group are an honest and talented group but the exhausting game plan isnt working beyond Donegal when it worked a treat.  There are too many variables in Gaelic Football such as red cards, wides from good positions/players etc that make absolute rigidity in tactics and performance an impossibility.  Without the promotion of individual creativity,leadership and flair the game is going nowhere.       
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 09, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Police hunt for linesman attacker. Boys oh!! http://ulsterherald.com/2016/08/09/linesman-hospitalised-after-gaa-match-attack-in-tyrone/

Nice of our derrytresk friends to get the Brits involved :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 09, 2016, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 09, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Police hunt for linesman attacker. Boys oh!! http://ulsterherald.com/2016/08/09/linesman-hospitalised-after-gaa-match-attack-in-tyrone/

Nice of our derrytresk friends to get the Brits involved :)

So Tyroneforsam if your walking down the street and some fella belts you one from behind, leaves you having to attend hospital would you let him away with it???

Street/Bar/Gaa Pitch. Assault is Assault and the culprit should be brought to justice. If anything Pomeroy should be to blame here for not giving up the fella's name and therefore it wouldn't have made it to the papers this way
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
A potential forward line for next year doesn't look too bad, assuming Sean isn't around or could be used as an impact sub...
10. Richie Donnelly
11 Niall Sludden
12. Conor Meyler
13. Lee Brennan
14. Cathal McShane
15. Mark Bradley (I think he could do more damage inside and is more accurate than he has shown so far)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 09, 2016, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 09, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Police hunt for linesman attacker. Boys oh!! http://ulsterherald.com/2016/08/09/linesman-hospitalised-after-gaa-match-attack-in-tyrone/

Nice of our derrytresk friends to get the Brits involved :)

So Tyroneforsam if your walking down the street and some fella belts you one from behind, leaves you having to attend hospital would you let him away with it???

Street/Bar/Gaa Pitch. Assault is Assault and the culprit should be brought to justice. If anything Pomeroy should be to blame here for not giving up the fella's name and therefore it wouldn't have made it to the papers this way

It happens week in week out on the gaa field, catch yourself on! Never before have I heard of the Brits getting involved in a scuffle that happened on a gaa pitch!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on August 09, 2016, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 09, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Police hunt for linesman attacker. Boys oh!! http://ulsterherald.com/2016/08/09/linesman-hospitalised-after-gaa-match-attack-in-tyrone/

Nice of our derrytresk friends to get the Brits involved :)

Woooo.......Big hard Tyroneforsam. Gonna free Ireland all by himself!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on August 09, 2016, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 09, 2016, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 09, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Police hunt for linesman attacker. Boys oh!! http://ulsterherald.com/2016/08/09/linesman-hospitalised-after-gaa-match-attack-in-tyrone/

Nice of our derrytresk friends to get the Brits involved :)

So Tyroneforsam if your walking down the street and some fella belts you one from behind, leaves you having to attend hospital would you let him away with it???

Street/Bar/Gaa Pitch. Assault is Assault and the culprit should be brought to justice. If anything Pomeroy should be to blame here for not giving up the fella's name and therefore it wouldn't have made it to the papers this way

Correct!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on August 09, 2016, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
A potential forward line for next year doesn't look too bad, assuming Sean isn't around or could be used as an impact sub...
10. Richie Donnelly
11 Niall Sludden
12. Conor Meyler
13. Lee Brennan
14. Cathal McShane
15. Mark Bradley (I think he could do more damage inside and is more accurate than he has shown so far)
Benny - Mattie Donnelly has to be full forward. He can score 2-3 a match from midfield. I'd expect 3-4 of him from full forward plus he's very creative. Think of the pass to put Skeet in plus the pass to Ronan O'neill in the league final. Richie could replace him in midfield
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2016, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: tc_manchester on August 09, 2016, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
A potential forward line for next year doesn't look too bad, assuming Sean isn't around or could be used as an impact sub...
10. Richie Donnelly
11 Niall Sludden
12. Conor Meyler
13. Lee Brennan
14. Cathal McShane
15. Mark Bradley (I think he could do more damage inside and is more accurate than he has shown so far)
Benny - Mattie Donnelly has to be full forward. He can score 2-3 a match from midfield. I'd expect 3-4 of him from full forward plus he's very creative. Think of the pass to put Skeet in plus the pass to Ronan O'neill in the league final. Richie could replace him in midfield

Possibly worth a go, without Sean we are looking a bit weak inside. I just wonder would he get too easily bottled up in FF given the defensive nature of most teams. I'm thinking of the job Chris McKeague done on him a few years ago. Much easier to get him on the ball from midfield. For me, McShane will offer a bit of power as a possession winner as he develops.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 09, 2016, 09:37:28 PM
We def have loads of options for next year for sure.

If anyone from Derry is reading this don't f**king bother giving us your views ok
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 09, 2016, 10:24:42 PM
 :o ;D ;D ;D

The rage is strong with this one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 09, 2016, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 09, 2016, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 09, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Police hunt for linesman attacker. Boys oh!! http://ulsterherald.com/2016/08/09/linesman-hospitalised-after-gaa-match-attack-in-tyrone/

Nice of our derrytresk friends to get the Brits involved :)

So Tyroneforsam if your walking down the street and some fella belts you one from behind, leaves you having to attend hospital would you let him away with it???

Street/Bar/Gaa Pitch. Assault is Assault and the culprit should be brought to justice. If anything Pomeroy should be to blame here for not giving up the fella's name and therefore it wouldn't have made it to the papers this way

It happens week in week out on the gaa field, catch yourself on! Never before have I heard of the Brits getting involved in a scuffle that happened on a gaa pitch!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/gaelic-footballer-jailed-for-assault-on-opponent-1.1656676
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
A potential forward line for next year doesn't look too bad, assuming Sean isn't around or could be used as an impact sub...
10. Richie Donnelly
11 Niall Sludden
12. Conor Meyler
13. Lee Brennan
14. Cathal McShane
15. Mark Bradley (I think he could do more damage inside and is more accurate than he has shown so far)

I'd have McCurry inside over Bradley, I think he is much more accurate and capable of taking scores, I think in the modern game Bradley works better out the pitch - he didn't get too many opportunities this year.

In that situation who would you envisage on the right footed frees?

I also think McShane's decision making when bottled up is very poor, how many times have we seen him taking shots on from ridiculous angles and sending them miles wide when he should be patient and looking to probe for the opportunity.

I think the problem with McCurry and O'Neill is that they are finishers and they are being required to win their own ball too much which doesn't allow them to get the time and space to have shots off. If we had a guy in their who we could knock it in direct every so often and be able to get him to feed those two I think we would get a lot more out of them.

What options have we here? McShane, Donnelly, Cavanagh are all much better further out the field and are not natural full forwards.

We have guys like Niall McKenna, Danny McNulty and Patrick Quinn but there would be question marks over them at this level. Personally I'd like to see us give one of these guys a good run in the league and see if they can make an impression. We need that other dimension to our game right now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on August 09, 2016, 11:46:51 PM
What we need is a man in the full foward line that's going to guarantee us 6/7 points a match and a reliable free taker. The way we play at the moment makes it nearly impossible for our full foward to get into the game never mind score 6/7 points. Conor McAliskey spends more time tracking back, tackling than than where he should be, infront of the goals. A few people have already mentioned Danny McNulty, surely he's worth a go. Big, strong and very accurate from placed balls.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhandallstar on August 10, 2016, 10:52:50 PM
Quote from: sambostar on August 08, 2016, 09:12:40 PM
Second game in a row the opposition catch the 2nd half throw-in clean, run forward, quick pass & score. Why doesn't Sean jump for the throw-in? Mattie doesn't have the aerial ability.

Small point maybe but major impact when you lose by 1pt
mattie didn't start 2nd half Ulster final  black card
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on August 12, 2016, 12:18:56 PM
Tyrone need catchers, kickers and old fashioned finishers- keep it simple and the scores will come. Too much and too many read into tactics these days.. >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 14, 2016, 04:03:19 PM
Quote from: Helpline on August 12, 2016, 12:18:56 PM
Tyrone need catchers, kickers and old fashioned finishers- keep it simple and the scores will come. Too much and too many read into tactics these days.. >:(
Head to Healt Park on the 2nd of September and watch Cahir McCullagh in action.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on August 14, 2016, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 14, 2016, 04:03:19 PM
Quote from: Helpline on August 12, 2016, 12:18:56 PM
Tyrone need catchers, kickers and old fashioned finishers- keep it simple and the scores will come. Too much and too many read into tactics these days.. >:(
Head to Healt Park on the 2nd of September and watch Cahir McCullagh in action.

Catch yourself on !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on August 15, 2016, 11:15:56 AM
Its a pity Aiden Cassidy will miss the SFC - he fits the bill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 16, 2016, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 14, 2016, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 14, 2016, 04:03:19 PM
Quote from: Helpline on August 12, 2016, 12:18:56 PM
Tyrone need catchers, kickers and old fashioned finishers- keep it simple and the scores will come. Too much and too many read into tactics these days.. >:(
Head to Healt Park on the 2nd of September and watch Cahir McCullagh in action.

Catch yourself on !!!
Don't bother going then but he does meets all the above criteria and if you think there's a better player in the county atm that's not already on the county set up your heads away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 24, 2016, 12:27:30 PM
I see Mickey Harte is looking a years extension to his current Tyrone deal and apparently he has got the green light from CB just needs ratified by the puppets in County Committee.  Please don't take this as me looking Mickey gone but I'm more of the wait and see opinion.  I would like him to take the team next season then step back and review the options with out continuing to dance to Mickey's tune.

The Anglo Celt was a very welcome addition this year, but that was celebrating 6 years of failure.  I hope Mickey can get to the latter stages of the League this season and match that with AI Semi Final then I would be more than happy to see him continue in his role as senior manager.

There is also the face that there isn't any man out there chomping at the bit to take the role on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on August 24, 2016, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 16, 2016, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 14, 2016, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 14, 2016, 04:03:19 PM
Quote from: Helpline on August 12, 2016, 12:18:56 PM
Tyrone need catchers, kickers and old fashioned finishers- keep it simple and the scores will come. Too much and too many read into tactics these days.. >:(
Head to Healt Park on the 2nd of September and watch Cahir McCullagh in action.

Catch yourself on !!!

Don't bother going then but he does meets all the above criteria and if you think there's a better player in the county atm that's not already on the county set up your heads away.

Eoin McCusker?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 24, 2016, 04:31:39 PM
Eoin was on the panel didnt get much time some players need a bit of encouragement he imo could quite easily have been a starter if he had been given more time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 24, 2016, 04:41:04 PM
What age is he now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 24, 2016, 05:46:38 PM
Takes a lot of time and commitment to play county. Think the two mentioned above were happy enough playing for their clubs. That's what people from their clubs have told me. Two class players though.

Someone who def should be brought back is Shea mcguigan. Seen him a few times but I'd imagine that bridge is burned.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2016, 07:35:05 PM
The two issues I see for next year are full back and full forward.

Thought McNamee had a poor year this year when compared with 2015 where he was excellent. Mickey also likes McCarron to pick up the more physical of the forward line as McNamee struggles with a big strong target man, Givney gave him a really tough time in the drawn game with Cavan. Hampsey is certainly worth a more in depth look at in the league next year and I would worry about our ability to deal with the aerial ball if Justy decides to go away.

I've talked about the full forward before, we need a big guy in there who can win the direct ball and stick it over the bar. Cavanagh gets frustrated in there and does his best work further out the pitch so I think we need to look at other options. Would like to see Niall McKenna get a proper run in there this year and potentially Danny McNulty. Is there any story with McNulty? He was on the McKenna Cup panel in 2013 but hasn't had a look in since?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 24, 2016, 09:28:02 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on August 24, 2016, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 16, 2016, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 14, 2016, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 14, 2016, 04:03:19 PM
Quote from: Helpline on August 12, 2016, 12:18:56 PM
Tyrone need catchers, kickers and old fashioned finishers- keep it simple and the scores will come. Too much and too many read into tactics these days.. >:(
Head to Healt Park on the 2nd of September and watch Cahir McCullagh in action.

Catch yourself on !!!

Don't bother going then but he does meets all the above criteria and if you think there's a better player in the county atm that's not already on the county set up your heads away.

Eoin McCusker?
Your head is away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 25, 2016, 11:16:21 PM
what would it matter who plays in the full forward line anyway? we dont kick the ball in to our forwards. all we do is run the ball from defence and end up with defenders shooting. really crap tactics from a total bluffer called mickey harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 26, 2016, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 25, 2016, 11:16:21 PM
what would it matter who plays in the full forward line anyway? we dont kick the ball in to our forwards. all we do is run the ball from defence and end up with defenders shooting. really crap tactics from a total bluffer called mickey harte.

Candidate for the worst ever first post?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 10:21:03 PM
worst thing is, im right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 26, 2016, 10:37:59 PM
Go on then, I will indulge you.
Tell me who we put in to full forward to win these long balls against Neil McGee and the Donegal back 10 or any if the other top defences?

While you are at it tell us who should be overseeing this revolution?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
for a start sean cavanagh should have got the role at full forward against mayo. in the same way andy moran does it for mayo and they are both the same age. the style of play needs to change before we start naming who is going to play where. whatever forwards u play under the current tactics is irrelevant as they wont be gettin the kind of ball into the space they need. did u not notice our last 4 shots for an equalizer against mayo were taken by nial morgan, cathal mc carron, tiarnan mc cann and darren mc curry. only 1 of those 4 is a forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 26, 2016, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
for a start sean cavanagh should have got the role at full forward against mayo. in the same way andy moran does it for mayo and they are both the same age. the style of play needs to change before we start naming who is going to play where. whatever forwards u play under the current tactics is irrelevant as they wont be gettin the kind of ball into the space they need. did u not notice our last 4 shots for an equalizer against mayo were taken by nial morgan, cathal mc carron, tiarnan mc cann and darren mc curry. only 1 of those 4 is a forward.

Once we get a decent full forward do we then ask the opposition not to crowd the defence so he can get some space to play in?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on August 26, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
A transfer market is the only answer to much of the discussion here. That's not how it works i'm afraid.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2016, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
for a start sean cavanagh should have got the role at full forward against mayo. in the same way andy moran does it for mayo and they are both the same age. the style of play needs to change before we start naming who is going to play where. whatever forwards u play under the current tactics is irrelevant as they wont be gettin the kind of ball into the space they need. did u not notice our last 4 shots for an equalizer against mayo were taken by nial morgan, cathal mc carron, tiarnan mc cann and darren mc curry. only 1 of those 4 is a forward.

Once we get a decent full forward do we then ask the opposition not to crowd the defence so he can get some space to play in?
ok so wel just keep running the ball into the oppositions crowded defence. prob solved. should be good enough gameplan to win another mc kenna cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 26, 2016, 11:47:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2016, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
for a start sean cavanagh should have got the role at full forward against mayo. in the same way andy moran does it for mayo and they are both the same age. the style of play needs to change before we start naming who is going to play where. whatever forwards u play under the current tactics is irrelevant as they wont be gettin the kind of ball into the space they need. did u not notice our last 4 shots for an equalizer against mayo were taken by nial morgan, cathal mc carron, tiarnan mc cann and darren mc curry. only 1 of those 4 is a forward.

Once we get a decent full forward do we then ask the opposition not to crowd the defence so he can get some space to play in?
ok so wel just keep running the ball into the oppositions crowded defence. prob solved. should be good enough gameplan to win another mc kenna cup.

Or just hoof the ball long into a crowded defence maybe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 26, 2016, 11:48:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2016, 07:35:05 PM
The two issues I see for next year are full back and full forward.

Thought McNamee had a poor year this year when compared with 2015 where he was excellent. Mickey also likes McCarron to pick up the more physical of the forward line as McNamee struggles with a big strong target man, Givney gave him a really tough time in the drawn game with Cavan. Hampsey is certainly worth a more in depth look at in the league next year and I would worry about our ability to deal with the aerial ball if Justy decides to go away.

I've talked about the full forward before, we need a big guy in there who can win the direct ball and stick it over the bar. Cavanagh gets frustrated in there and does his best work further out the pitch so I think we need to look at other options. Would like to see Niall McKenna get a proper run in there this year and potentially Danny McNulty. Is there any story with McNulty? He was on the McKenna Cup panel in 2013 but hasn't had a look in since?

Was there not a poster on here said previously that Mc Nulty got hurt at Tyrone but Harte and his team cast him back to Clonoe who had to sort him out. Took over a year or more from memory so not sure if that bridge has also sailed

Anyone know the full story??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 11:53:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2016, 11:47:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2016, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
for a start sean cavanagh should have got the role at full forward against mayo. in the same way andy moran does it for mayo and they are both the same age. the style of play needs to change before we start naming who is going to play where. whatever forwards u play under the current tactics is irrelevant as they wont be gettin the kind of ball into the space they need. did u not notice our last 4 shots for an equalizer against mayo were taken by nial morgan, cathal mc carron, tiarnan mc cann and darren mc curry. only 1 of those 4 is a forward.
we need varity in our play. there is a time for quick running, quick kick passing and sometimes a quick ball into target man. enough movement from our forwards and there will eventually be space created. its really not rocket science. maybe someone should tell mickey.
Once we get a decent full forward do we then ask the opposition not to crowd the defence so he can get some space to play in?
ok so wel just keep running the ball into the oppositions crowded defence. prob solved. should be good enough gameplan to win another mc kenna cup.

Or just hoof the ball long into a crowded defence maybe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 27, 2016, 12:10:37 AM
we need variety in our play. there is a time for quick running, quick kick passing and quick ball into a target man.enough movement from our forwards and the space will eventually be created. its really not rocket science. maybe someone should tell mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 27, 2016, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2016, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
for a start sean cavanagh should have got the role at full forward against mayo. in the same way andy moran does it for mayo and they are both the same age. the style of play needs to change before we start naming who is going to play where. whatever forwards u play under the current tactics is irrelevant as they wont be gettin the kind of ball into the space they need. did u not notice our last 4 shots for an equalizer against mayo were taken by nial morgan, cathal mc carron, tiarnan mc cann and darren mc curry. only 1 of those 4 is a forward.
Drive her in high to big Dan and goals , points and an all ireland will come our way ! Credit where credit is due the big guy from Clonoe won us the u21 title on free taking alone .No more shite talk about needing a marquee forward ; head down to mcnulty motors and sign him up ! Show over and no more crying about free takers ! I'm away to Pomeroy here to watch the dazzler make a bollix out of the ardboe men!

Once we get a decent full forward do we then ask the opposition not to crowd the defence so he can get some space to play in?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 28, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
hey lad which mc  nulty are u talkin about?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on August 28, 2016, 06:25:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
hey lad which mc  nulty are u talkin about?
big Dan I'm hardly talking about mcnulty from Eglish !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 31, 2016, 10:59:52 AM
Just wondering how to people see our style of football evolving in the next year.
With us back in Div 1 will we continue playing with 13/14 men behind the ball?
I am rarely at any club games any more as I live in Dublin so do most clubs play this style now or is it a bit more open with the ball being kicked into the forward line?

In my opinion we are playing this style of football now mainly because we felt we had to play it to beat teams like Donegal and Monaghan and thought it could be effective if we met the Dublin and Kerrys of this world. Maybe it is the right way forward but I think what we learnt this year is that it works well against most teams who can't match us and fall into the trap of letting us play them on the break. We can then break at pace and create space for our forwards.
However, it doesn't work so well against teams who sit back and don't push their defenders forward and so our lack of good forwards really struggle to get scores.

So my question is do we continue to be the new Donegal and so everyone else will continue to play that way against us or do we try to play with more forwards and make it a more open game.

Also, I was wondering if most clubs are focusing on playing this defensive style now, then are we not allowing our young players to develop better as forwards. For years Tyrone always produced good forwards but at the moment there seems to be a lack of them or else they're being held back cos they are so used to being covered by the blanket. Like I said I really don't know the club scene any more so I'm genuinely asking the question.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 31, 2016, 02:58:02 PM
If we continue to play one man up front (whether that's O'Neill, McAliskey, McCurry etc) then we deserve to stagnate. That will do against teams outside of the top 3/4, however, when we meet the top teams we crumble. That'll only work if you've a Michael Murphy type player up there.

The first day versus Cavan, Ulster final and Mayo game showed that our long range shooting leaves a lot to be desired and the free kick situation has to be remedied. Dublin played Dean Rock almost exclusively for free kicks and he only now is starting to establish himself as a key threat from play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 31, 2016, 03:43:12 PM
Think Rock kicked 12 points on Sunday, in an All Ireland Semi Final against Kerry. Not bad for a man being "carried" but does show the difference a reliable place kicker can be. With the other forwards being well held it turned out his Free Taking arguably won Dublin the game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on August 31, 2016, 04:02:09 PM
I was at the game on Sunday & couldn't help but think Tyrone are light years behind Dublin. Yes, Rock showed the value of a reliable free-taker - he only missed one & many of his efforts were from sizeable distances &/or awkward angles. Also JOD scored a point for Kerry from almost the exact spot where McCurry missed against Mayo. Those 2 things sum up where Tyrone are at for me, the forward power just isn't there at the minute. McCurry, RON, McAliskey, Bradley would struggle to get on the Dublin 26 never mind the 1st XV.

Tyrone's best finishers are arguably Mattie & Peter Harte but you couldn't play them inside as they're needed out the pitch. Plus with the current system they'd be totally wasted in there as nobody would pass the ball into them!

After the euphoria of the Ulster Final win it's a bit of a downer as an AI title doesn't look very probable in the next few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 31, 2016, 04:50:17 PM
Are there any reliable free takers at club level in Tyrone that would struggle from play at county level? If you look at most of the successful free takers they don't seem to change them, even if they miss one or two. Rock hits them all for Dublin now if on his side (used to be Cluxton).
Sheehan of course for Kerry and Cillian O'Connor for Mayo. Murphy for Donegal and McManus for Monaghan yet we seem to go from year to year chopping and changing, hoping that Morgan will get the far out ones and let Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey & McCurry all have a go at some of them. Why did Peter Harte stop hitting them from a few years back?

We've been saying it every year now but this is one area Mickey really needs to address and stop letting the players decide themselves. Can you think of an AI winning team that didn't have a good reliable free taker?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 31, 2016, 11:23:05 PM
tyrone won an all ireland in 08 without a recognised free taker. i think colm mc cullagh, tommy mc guigan and mugsy shared the duties. i think the lads we have are accurate enough if theyd spend less time trackin back and more time practicin shootin at training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on August 31, 2016, 11:52:38 PM
QuoteTyrone won an all ireland in 08 without a recognised free taker. i think colm mc cullagh, tommy mc guigan and mugsy shared the duties.

You're not wrong but the 08 win was also down to Cavanagh being virtually unmarkable at FF and also kicked a heap of frees when not scoring for fun from play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 31, 2016, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 31, 2016, 11:52:38 PM
QuoteTyrone won an all ireland in 08 without a recognised free taker. i think colm mc cullagh, tommy mc guigan and mugsy shared the duties.

You're not wrong but the 08 win was also down to Cavanagh being virtually unmarkable at FF and also kicked a heap of frees when not scoring for fun from play.

Exactly, Sean scored a load of frees from distance that year. Very odd that he doesn't take them on anymore.has Petey Harte hit any frees since his meltdown versus Donegal in 2011 (?)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on September 01, 2016, 11:55:41 AM
Harte hit them V Dublin after that game the same year. He's also took a fair few of frees on the right hand side this year. It's more the frees from 35+ that are the issue. There isn't what you would call an incredible free taker in Tyrone (like Rock, Sheehan, O'Connor). Not that I've seen anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 01, 2016, 12:45:54 PM
But that's what I'm asking TF15. Why is there not? Surely it's about them picking someone who is technically good at it and then him practising them non stop with the knowledge that if he misses one that he still takes the next one.
It's not just the far out ones as Ronan missed quite a few ones this year that he should be getting.
I'm not saying it's an easy job but it just amazes me that Mickey puts so much effort into other tactics that it seems amazing to me that we don't seriously address this problem.
With the way we play now which means that other teams often play the same blanket defence against us which means there are much fewer chances for shots from play so it is crucial that we have someone who can score frees for us.

A lot of us have just got used to this scenario now and like Harte just seem to accept it. You have named 3 reliable free takers from the top 3 teams. In my eyes until we properly address that then we won't break into that top 3.
Is Lee Brennan our great white hope again in 2017? Can he hit them from 40+ yards?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on September 01, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
There does seem to be a few more coming through at underage, But it is hard to find someone who is top class at free's and can justify his position for other reasons!

At younger level Coalislands full forward for the u21's hit 2 45+ yards against Carrickmore in the semi final when the game was tight I think his name was Corr? Again going younger Ciaran Daly for Carrickmore minors has ridiculous feet, from inside the 45 in any position it wouldn't be too often he would miss a free! He hit a free from the sideline about 40 yards out in an u21 game against dromore with the last kick of the game to win it so can handle pressure.

Obviously the likes of these players wont be on the team soon but could be worth looking out for in the future!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 01, 2016, 02:08:02 PM
I always think it is harder to judge free-takers at club level. For example, I was over watching Pomeroy v Aghyaran in the Intermediate Championship last friday and Ronan McHugh was impeccable from placed balls, scoring about 10 points including a couple from play. Now on the face of it you could say that he is reliable from frees and someone Tyrone could use (and maybe he is), however a lot of these frees were in and around the D and at county level you just don't get very many easy frees like that. It's the same story in most club games where the defences aren't as disciplined as at county level and therefore concede more scoreable free kicks, and these are not the kind of kicks that Tyrone generally have trouble converting.

If you think back to the mayo game I think we missed 4 free kicks. In the first half morgan missed two from way out on the left side, and in the second half O'Neill missed one from the left sideline out towards the 45 and Morgan missed the long range one at the end. To be fair it takes an exceptional kicker to be reliable from that kind of range and unfortunately none of the Tyrone forwards have consistently proven themselves in this regard. Hopefully Lee Brennan will be able to step up to the plate next year but for a young player in what would be his first proper year on the team it is perhaps unfair to expect him to also be lumped with this burden.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: WBF on September 01, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
There does seem to be a few more coming through at underage, But it is hard to find someone who is top class at free's and can justify his position for other reasons!

At younger level Coalislands full forward for the u21's hit 2 45+ yards against Carrickmore in the semi final when the game was tight I think his name was Corr? Again going younger Ciaran Daly for Carrickmore minors has ridiculous feet, from inside the 45 in any position it wouldn't be too often he would miss a free! He hit a free from the sideline about 40 yards out in an u21 game against dromore with the last kick of the game to win it so can handle pressure.

Obviously the likes of these players wont be on the team soon but could be worth looking out for in the future!
Two players that will never be near the Tyrone senior panel no harm to you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 01, 2016, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: WBF on September 01, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
There does seem to be a few more coming through at underage, But it is hard to find someone who is top class at free's and can justify his position for other reasons!

At younger level Coalislands full forward for the u21's hit 2 45+ yards against Carrickmore in the semi final when the game was tight I think his name was Corr? Again going younger Ciaran Daly for Carrickmore minors has ridiculous feet, from inside the 45 in any position it wouldn't be too often he would miss a free! He hit a free from the sideline about 40 yards out in an u21 game against dromore with the last kick of the game to win it so can handle pressure.

Obviously the likes of these players wont be on the team soon but could be worth looking out for in the future!
Two players that will never be near the Tyrone senior panel no harm to you.

And your experience and expertise gives you the right to say the won't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 01, 2016, 07:07:17 PM
There are a lot of very good free takers at club level in tyrone but doesn't mean they'll do it on the big stage and they also have to be county class. It's OK saying that you can carry a free taker but you can't. Dublin don't do it with rock and kerry couldn't accommodate Sheehan despite being in my opinion one of the best free taker there's been across any era. Plus lee brennan may only be one half of the solution. Always thought Skeet was a very good kicker has he ever got a sustained run at it? He did hit 2 out of 2 v mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2016, 10:11:40 PM
i think lee brennan is an exceptional place ball kicker. problem is, by the time mickey harte turns him into a defender he wont be able to kick a ball against a wall.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 01, 2016, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: WBF on September 01, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
There does seem to be a few more coming through at underage, But it is hard to find someone who is top class at free's and can justify his position for other reasons!

At younger level Coalislands full forward for the u21's hit 2 45+ yards against Carrickmore in the semi final when the game was tight I think his name was Corr? Again going younger Ciaran Daly for Carrickmore minors has ridiculous feet, from inside the 45 in any position it wouldn't be too often he would miss a free! He hit a free from the sideline about 40 yards out in an u21 game against dromore with the last kick of the game to win it so can handle pressure.

Obviously the likes of these players wont be on the team soon but could be worth looking out for in the future!
Two players that will never be near the Tyrone senior panel no harm to you.

And your experience and expertise gives you the right to say the won't.
Sean Corr is nowhere near the Coalisland team, so if he is not good enough to start for them what value would he be to the Tyrone Senior Panel.
Ciaran Daly didnt feature for Tyrone minors, usually players who push onto the senior team come through minor and u21 ranks, some don't so wouldnt completely rule him out but by and large they come through this way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 01, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 01, 2016, 02:08:02 PM
I always think it is harder to judge free-takers at club level. For example, I was over watching Pomeroy v Aghyaran in the Intermediate Championship last friday and Ronan McHugh was impeccable from placed balls, scoring about 10 points including a couple from play. Now on the face of it you could say that he is reliable from frees and someone Tyrone could use (and maybe he is), however a lot of these frees were in and around the D and at county level you just don't get very many easy frees like that. It's the same story in most club games where the defences aren't as disciplined as at county level and therefore concede more scoreable free kicks, and these are not the kind of kicks that Tyrone generally have trouble converting.

If you think back to the mayo game I think we missed 4 free kicks. In the first half morgan missed two from way out on the left side, and in the second half O'Neill missed one from the left sideline out towards the 45 and Morgan missed the long range one at the end. To be fair it takes an exceptional kicker to be reliable from that kind of range and unfortunately none of the Tyrone forwards have consistently proven themselves in this regard. Hopefully Lee Brennan will be able to step up to the plate next year but for a young player in what would be his first proper year on the team it is perhaps unfair to expect him to also be lumped with this burden.

If he's good enough Age shouldn't matter

Conor Mc Aliskey has shown some form when given the chance. Perhaps having to chase back so much takes away from his game and leaves him too distracted or simply out of breath when the free's are giving
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 01, 2016, 11:48:13 PM
I don't think there is an awful lot of improvement in this team but it's really been the fine lines that have seen us knocked out in the past two years. If we had been efficient with our chances in both the Mayo and Kerry defeats we would have been in back to back All Ireland finals. Our system is so effective right now that teams are willing to match it. We have been used to teams running at us, getting turned over and having oceans of space to run into and exploit that - we see how devastating that can be when teams play into that like Cavan did in the replay and Derry when they played so open in Celtic Park.

Last year we had an element of surprise about us, not much was expected - this year we didn't and our gameplan was well signposted. We really struggled to deal with a similar defensive structure to our own. Too many of our players panic when they can't make instant breaks. How many times does McShane shoot from impossible angles when the juncture ahead gets crowded? It's extremely frustrating in those cat and mouse games where the ball is so hard to win back when a player takes on shots from ridiculous angles like that and loses possession. We got over the line with a few wonderscores against Donegal but fluffed our lines v Mayo.

We aren't patient enough, we need to probe for the chance and not try to force it when it's not there.

I don't think there is an answer to the long range frees to be honest. By all means let Morgan come up and hit the 45s if we get one but don't have him or Ronan O'Neill be hitting frees from areas which are clearly that little bit out of their range. We need to be inventive, find a spare man and build our attack up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 02, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
One reason you don't see McManus ever miss much frees for Monaghan is that he knows his range, he knows when he is comfortable and not forcing them. For instance you rarely see him kick any from more that 35 metres out, he knows they are not in range. He hits some excellent frees from acute angles but knows he will have problems with accuracy from further out. A forward who is missing frees will certainly have his confidence dented so if it's not in range don't hit it. I have seen O'Neill take many frees this year where they were out of his range and knew he was likely not going to score before hitting them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 02, 2016, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 01, 2016, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: WBF on September 01, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
There does seem to be a few more coming through at underage, But it is hard to find someone who is top class at free's and can justify his position for other reasons!

At younger level Coalislands full forward for the u21's hit 2 45+ yards against Carrickmore in the semi final when the game was tight I think his name was Corr? Again going younger Ciaran Daly for Carrickmore minors has ridiculous feet, from inside the 45 in any position it wouldn't be too often he would miss a free! He hit a free from the sideline about 40 yards out in an u21 game against dromore with the last kick of the game to win it so can handle pressure.



Obviously the likes of these players wont be on the team soon but could be worth looking out for in the future!
Two players that will never be near the Tyrone senior panel no harm to you.

And your experience and expertise gives you the right to say the won't.
Sean Corr is nowhere near the Coalisland team, so if he is not good enough to start for them what value would he be to the Tyrone Senior Panel.
Ciaran Daly didnt feature for Tyrone minors, usually players who push onto the senior team come through minor and u21 ranks, some don't so wouldnt completely rule him out but by and large they come through this way.

I think you will find Ciaran Daly left the Tyrone Minor set-up of his own accord due to the whole set-up being a shambles. He would of been well worth his place on that Tyrone minor team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on September 02, 2016, 08:52:05 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 01, 2016, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: WBF on September 01, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
There does seem to be a few more coming through at underage, But it is hard to find someone who is top class at free's and can justify his position for other reasons!

At younger level Coalislands full forward for the u21's hit 2 45+ yards against Carrickmore in the semi final when the game was tight I think his name was Corr? Again going younger Ciaran Daly for Carrickmore minors has ridiculous feet, from inside the 45 in any position it wouldn't be too often he would miss a free! He hit a free from the sideline about 40 yards out in an u21 game against dromore with the last kick of the game to win it so can handle pressure.

Obviously the likes of these players wont be on the team soon but could be worth looking out for in the future!
Two players that will never be near the Tyrone senior panel no harm to you.

And your experience and expertise gives you the right to say the won't.
Sean Corr is nowhere near the Coalisland team, so if he is not good enough to start for them what value would he be to the Tyrone Senior Panel.
Ciaran Daly didnt feature for Tyrone minors, usually players who push onto the senior team come through minor and u21 ranks, some don't so wouldnt completely rule him out but by and large they come through this way.

Never stated that these boys should be called up to the senior panel, Was just saying that there probably wouldnt be a lot of people better at free's alone in Tyrone.

In regards to Ciaran Daly as has already been said he walked from the panel, He scored 1-7 in the grade 1 championship final, arguably the best player for the grade 1 double winning team! Talked to many of the lads on the County minor panel and all will tell you he would have started!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on September 02, 2016, 10:39:39 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 01, 2016, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2016, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: WBF on September 01, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
There does seem to be a few more coming through at underage, But it is hard to find someone who is top class at free's and can justify his position for other reasons!

At younger level Coalislands full forward for the u21's hit 2 45+ yards against Carrickmore in the semi final when the game was tight I think his name was Corr? Again going younger Ciaran Daly for Carrickmore minors has ridiculous feet, from inside the 45 in any position it wouldn't be too often he would miss a free! He hit a free from the sideline about 40 yards out in an u21 game against dromore with the last kick of the game to win it so can handle pressure.

Obviously the likes of these players wont be on the team soon but could be worth looking out for in the future!
Two players that will never be near the Tyrone senior panel no harm to you.

And your experience and expertise gives you the right to say the won't.
Sean Corr is nowhere near the Coalisland team, so if he is not good enough to start for them what value would he be to the Tyrone Senior Panel.
Ciaran Daly didnt feature for Tyrone minors, usually players who push onto the senior team come through minor and u21 ranks, some don't so wouldnt completely rule him out but by and large they come through this way.

Coming through a county minor setup is no guarantee of making a senior squad and/or being successful. Just a few examples: Ryan McMenamin played no underage for Tyrone. Conor Gormley and Conor McManus didn't make their respective county minor squads. All became all-stars. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 02, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
Il Bomber Destro, are you saying then that you are happy for Tyrone to continue playing this style of football where we  rarely kick the ball forward and we usually run the ball almost rugby style passing it to the man on the shoulder in order to keep possession?
It has been successful to a degree I suppose in that we have won Ulster this year and got the AI 1/4 finals this year and semi finals last year but I can't decide myself is it the way forward.
I think it is really draining the confidence and development of our forwards and that's why I was asking do most clubs in Tyrone now also play this way?

I would worry for the future development of our forwards if this is what is being coached and practised at club games all the time. My point being that Lee Brennan is being talked up as being a very bright hope for our future but why is he not already in the team as we don't exactly have great forwards? Is it because so much emphasis is being put on our defensive style that he doesn't fit into that yet? If that is the case then we really have a problem with our game and how we are treating talented forwards.
A few of ye said above that McAliskey is a great forward and could be hitting most of the frees but the man's being asked to work so hard back in his own defence most of the time. To me it's crazy and's it's all too easy to just say well other teams do the same. Other teams copied us and Donegal who we got obsessed with but I know so many fans now who followed Tyrone for years who won't even go to matches now cos of the rubbish we have to watch.
Winning Ulster was a big relief for the fans and the squad as it showed playing this way does reap rewards sometimes but I for one am worried how this defensive mindset is having a longer term effect on our forwards mindset. Will it drive many talented players away to soccer, Aussie rules and other sports as they think we would I bother busting my ass working so hard when there is no fun any more being a forward for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on September 02, 2016, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 02, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
One reason you don't see McManus ever miss much frees for Monaghan is that he knows his range, he knows when he is comfortable and not forcing them. For instance you rarely see him kick any from more that 35 metres out, he knows they are not in range. He hits some excellent frees from acute angles but knows he will have problems with accuracy from further out. A forward who is missing frees will certainly have his confidence dented so if it's not in range don't hit it. I have seen O'Neill take many frees this year where they were out of his range and knew he was likely not going to score before hitting them.

Did you not see McManus against us in Croker last year or v Donegal in Breffni in the first game this year. He is well capable of hitting 45 metre frees over the bar and indeed his last 2 free kicks against Donegal were both outside the 45'. He can score from acute angles as you say but these are still 30-40 metres out when the angle is taken into consideration and he makes them look really easy. Last year in Croker he hit sublime scores from all distances and angles. The reality is that 45 metres should be a comfortable range for a quality free taker (Sheehan, McManus, Rock, O'Connor) but we don't even have any who are comfortable from 35 metre - that is the stark reality.  We haven't had a nailed on free taker in over 10 years.....one that you can RELY on.....once the free is given then we can take it for granted it is a score.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 02, 2016, 12:49:38 PM
met a former gaa stalwart today who has followed tyrone for 50 yrs has not been to a game for 3 yrs no enjoyment in watching 15 defenders play 15 defenders in most cases he said
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on September 02, 2016, 01:17:05 PM
I know a former player too Skeog who refuses to go to Tyrone games as he cant watch their style of play.Kids have him tortured looking to go but he refuses to go.He watched the Ulster final at home but decided to take the dog for a walk 10 mins into the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 02, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
Il Bomber Destro, are you saying then that you are happy for Tyrone to continue playing this style of football where we  rarely kick the ball forward and we usually run the ball almost rugby style passing it to the man on the shoulder in order to keep possession?
It has been successful to a degree I suppose in that we have won Ulster this year and got the AI 1/4 finals this year and semi finals last year but I can't decide myself is it the way forward.
I think it is really draining the confidence and development of our forwards and that's why I was asking do most clubs in Tyrone now also play this way?

I would worry for the future development of our forwards if this is what is being coached and practised at club games all the time. My point being that Lee Brennan is being talked up as being a very bright hope for our future but why is he not already in the team as we don't exactly have great forwards? Is it because so much emphasis is being put on our defensive style that he doesn't fit into that yet? If that is the case then we really have a problem with our game and how we are treating talented forwards.
A few of ye said above that McAliskey is a great forward and could be hitting most of the frees but the man's being asked to work so hard back in his own defence most of the time. To me it's crazy and's it's all too easy to just say well other teams do the same. Other teams copied us and Donegal who we got obsessed with but I know so many fans now who followed Tyrone for years who won't even go to matches now cos of the rubbish we have to watch.
Winning Ulster was a big relief for the fans and the squad as it showed playing this way does reap rewards sometimes but I for one am worried how this defensive mindset is having a longer term effect on our forwards mindset. Will it drive many talented players away to soccer, Aussie rules and other sports as they think we would I bother busting my ass working so hard when there is no fun any more being a forward for Tyrone.

Have to agree 100% with the Fuzzman, especially - "Will it drive many talented players away to soccer, Aussie rules and other sports as they think we would I bother busting my ass working so hard when there is no fun any more" except I would finish that sentence with IN PLAYING GAA, not just a forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 02, 2016, 08:28:18 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 02, 2016, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 02, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
One reason you don't see McManus ever miss much frees for Monaghan is that he knows his range, he knows when he is comfortable and not forcing them. For instance you rarely see him kick any from more that 35 metres out, he knows they are not in range. He hits some excellent frees from acute angles but knows he will have problems with accuracy from further out. A forward who is missing frees will certainly have his confidence dented so if it's not in range don't hit it. I have seen O'Neill take many frees this year where they were out of his range and knew he was likely not going to score before hitting them.

Did you not see McManus against us in Croker last year or v Donegal in Breffni in the first game this year. He is well capable of hitting 45 metre frees over the bar and indeed his last 2 free kicks against Donegal were both outside the 45'. He can score from acute angles as you say but these are still 30-40 metres out when the angle is taken into consideration and he makes them look really easy. Last year in Croker he hit sublime scores from all distances and angles. The reality is that 45 metres should be a comfortable range for a quality free taker (Sheehan, McManus, Rock, O'Connor) but we don't even have any who are comfortable from 35 metre - that is the stark reality.  We haven't had a nailed on free taker in over 10 years.....one that you can RELY on.....once the free is given then we can take it for granted it is a score.....

If he is then why does he regularly step aside to let Rory Beggan come up and hit them? He knows his range, too often I have see the likes of O'Neill and McCurry hitting frees from distances they are not comfortable with.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 02, 2016, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
Il Bomber Destro, are you saying then that you are happy for Tyrone to continue playing this style of football where we  rarely kick the ball forward and we usually run the ball almost rugby style passing it to the man on the shoulder in order to keep possession?
It has been successful to a degree I suppose in that we have won Ulster this year and got the AI 1/4 finals this year and semi finals last year but I can't decide myself is it the way forward.
I think it is really draining the confidence and development of our forwards and that's why I was asking do most clubs in Tyrone now also play this way?

I would worry for the future development of our forwards if this is what is being coached and practised at club games all the time. My point being that Lee Brennan is being talked up as being a very bright hope for our future but why is he not already in the team as we don't exactly have great forwards? Is it because so much emphasis is being put on our defensive style that he doesn't fit into that yet? If that is the case then we really have a problem with our game and how we are treating talented forwards.
A few of ye said above that McAliskey is a great forward and could be hitting most of the frees but the man's being asked to work so hard back in his own defence most of the time. To me it's crazy and's it's all too easy to just say well other teams do the same. Other teams copied us and Donegal who we got obsessed with but I know so many fans now who followed Tyrone for years who won't even go to matches now cos of the rubbish we have to watch.
Winning Ulster was a big relief for the fans and the squad as it showed playing this way does reap rewards sometimes but I for one am worried how this defensive mindset is having a longer term effect on our forwards mindset. Will it drive many talented players away to soccer, Aussie rules and other sports as they think we would I bother busting my ass working so hard when there is no fun any more being a forward for Tyrone.

Lee Brennan didn't feature this year because he was involved we had a settled team throughout the league and Mickey went with that.

This defensive mindset is the way football is going, players are too powerful, fast and fit these days to play open. If you have a guy breaking at speed in open spaces a defender hasn't a prayer against a guy on the front foot - not a chance.

The main reasons why teams play this way is Dublin, you simply will not beat Dublin if you don't have a solid defensive base. We have that nailed down, now we need to develop of our attacking play, a guy running into traffic, panicking and taking a mental shot on is not on, it is stupid and will cost us. We have to develop our composure and show patience in working openings.

It's about being smart, we can kick the ball in but it would have been ridiculously stupid to do this against the likes of Donegal and Mayo as both sides were set up extremely defensively and you will also realise that neither side kicked the ball in to much against Tyrone either as their tactics mirrored each other. What stood for Mayo was they were much more composed in waiting for the chances to appear rather than forcing them when they weren't there. If we want to kick the ball in we need a natural full forward who can win any sort of ball and we don't have one. People are expecting too much from Lee Brennan. Is he really any better than McCurry for instance, there is nothing to suggest that he is right now.

The game has changed and a defensive structure is a must with the modern athletic player, you have to have loads of players behind the ball or guys will cut through the middle of the defence. I'd much rather watch a game like Tyrone-Donegal or Tyrone-Mayo than the farce that was Tyrone-Cavan in the replay.

If we want to win we need to persist the way we are and develop on it. As for guys who refuse to watch any more, off with them, the game has improved in terms of skill over the years, watching big lumbering donkeys aimlessly smashing the ball up in the air is thankfully on the decline.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 02, 2016, 10:25:52 PM
If Greencastle had a free taker Carmen would have had a first round exit dont think Carmen be around at the business end.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 02, 2016, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: skeog on September 02, 2016, 10:25:52 PM
If Greencastle had a free taker Carmen would have had a first round exit dont think Carmen be around at the business end.

If Martin Sludden wasn't a biased f@*ker Greencastle would have been beaten by more. Should never be allowed to referee thon walking heart attack.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 03, 2016, 08:36:50 AM
How did cahir mccullagh play. That Daly player carrickmore ones were on about isn't even on the 30 man panel. Is he injured or to young
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on September 03, 2016, 08:51:33 AM
I would say Cahir's performance could only be described as bipolar. Scored some incredible points but missed two easy frees from close in and kicked some mad wides from ridiculous shooting positions when the game was close late on. Certainly has some great attributes but is really really raw in his decision making.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 03, 2016, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on September 02, 2016, 01:17:05 PM
I know a former player too Skeog who refuses to go to Tyrone games as he cant watch their style of play.Kids have him tortured looking to go but he refuses to go.He watched the Ulster final at home but decided to take the dog for a walk 10 mins into the 2nd half.

Doesn't think much of his kids then!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 03, 2016, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: redzone on September 03, 2016, 08:36:50 AM
How did cahir mccullagh play. That Daly player carrickmore ones were on about isn't even on the 30 man panel. Is he injured or to young

Ciaran Daly picked up a knee injury against Galbally in an u21 game. Only back doing light training at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 03, 2016, 09:10:32 AM
What do others think?
Hand on heart did you enjoy the Ulster final this year?
Yes I was delighted that we won and finally beat this Donegal side but if I'm honest it was a horrible game and it's too easy to say that's Donegal's fault.
Teams mirror our set up now of 14 men behind the ball as they see they have to do this to beat us. It's a catch 22 situation and I feel we are now feeling trapped into playing like this.
Back in the 2000s we played much better football without hoofing it aimlessly forward. We got wing forwards to come back to help our defence.
Now we play with fear and don't trust our defenders to do a job.  The blanket defence isn't working either against Dublin or Kerry as they still have better forwards. Something that we are falling behind with every year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 03, 2016, 09:41:55 AM
tyrones defensive malaise is replicated throughout our acadamey set up too. this is the way were going. mickey has yet to get past a big team in croke park since 08. average managers are now filling their defences to stop getting hammered. beat by a point in ai qf not too shabby is it roisin. give mark conway a wee ring their and sign me up for another year roisin and can you tidy the weights room in garvaghey when your at it. CHANGE NEEDED. Boring boring shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 03, 2016, 12:23:33 PM
ose you be excommunicated for those comments i think they are a bit over the top lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 03, 2016, 12:24:11 PM
Club football is the same at the minute. Very Very poor games to watch

I have been to mayb 10/12 club league games this year, can't mind 1 that was entertaining
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 03, 2016, 06:21:33 PM
I must say I really don't like Brolly but he makes some interesting points about how our game is being killed by stats, athleticism, fearful preventative tactics.
Players are so fearful of losing possession now that many don't try a difficult pass or shot from tight angle.
What a joy it was to see Sean and Peter Harte score those great points at the end of Ulster final. When we kick the shackles off we can play some great football and that's why I was so disappointed with how we approached the Mayo game.
It would be interesting to have a meeting amongst all Tyrone figureheads to discuss the topic rather than blindly continue as if it's the only way to play now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on September 03, 2016, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 03, 2016, 12:24:11 PM
Club football is the same at the minute. Very Very poor games to watch

I have been to mayb 10/12 club league games this year, can't mind 1 that was entertaining
. I am just back from a double header in Carrickmore and I can say with hand on heart that there are some players on the Tyrone panel who would nt make it on to the Waterford football panel . The likes of McNulty should be hammering a Moortown team missing some great players. He does what he does with Tyrone ;carry the ball into a tackle and hand her over .Thankfully Killyckogher made it worth the £5 admission ! Could someone enlighten me as to where is Moortowns minor captain ; if it's true what a loughshore guy told me then I wouldn't want Paul Devlin taking my lads for minors ! Errigal are a team in transition with a lot of u21s; this will help them in the long term .Night night everyone ! Have to get up to wash my Rahillys t shirt !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 03, 2016, 08:37:58 PM
This will be good. Care to enlighten us more kev
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 03, 2016, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on September 03, 2016, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 03, 2016, 12:24:11 PM
Club football is the same at the minute. Very Very poor games to watch

I have been to mayb 10/12 club league games this year, can't mind 1 that was entertaining
. I am just back from a double header in Carrickmore and I can say with hand on heart that there are some players on the Tyrone panel who would nt make it on to the Waterford football panel . The likes of McNulty should be hammering a Moortown team missing some great players. He does what he does with Tyrone ;carry the ball into a tackle and hand her over .Thankfully Killyckogher made it worth the £5 admission ! Could someone enlighten me as to where is Moortowns minor captain ; if it's true what a loughshore guy told me then I wouldn't want Paul Devlin taking my lads for minors ! Errigal are a team in transition with a lot of u21s; this will help them in the long term .Night night everyone ! Have to get up to wash my Rahillys t shirt !
Conal McCann and Mark Bradley very impressive. Watching a wee lad like Bradley knock Aidy McCrory round the place you can see why we need so much cover for our defence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on September 03, 2016, 09:09:05 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 03, 2016, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on September 03, 2016, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 03, 2016, 12:24:11 PM
Club football is the same at the minute. Very Very poor games to watch

I have been to mayb 10/12 club league games this year, can't mind 1 that was entertaining
. I am just back from a double header in Carrickmore and I can say with hand on heart that there are some players on the Tyrone panel who would nt make it on to the Waterford football panel . The likes of McNulty should be hammering a Moortown team missing some great players. He does what he does with Tyrone ;carry the ball into a tackle and hand her over .Thankfully Killyckogher made it worth the £5 admission ! Could someone enlighten me as to where is Moortowns minor captain ; if it's true what a loughshore guy told me then I wouldn't want Paul Devlin taking my lads for minors ! Errigal are a team in transition with a lot of u21s; this will help them in the long term .Night night everyone ! Have to get up to wash my Rahillys t shirt !
Conal McCann and Mark Bradley very impressive. Watching a wee lad like Bradley knock Aidy McCrory round the place you can see why we need so much cover for our defence.
Leo MC it's not often you're right but you are spot on son ! It was embarrassing to watch Bradley hammer MC crory round the pitch !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 03, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
get rid of micky harte and free tyrone football from his shackles. we have the talent in the county now lets get them playing and winning all irelands again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 03, 2016, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 03, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
get rid of micky harte and free tyrone football from his shackles. we have the talent in the county now lets get them playing and winning all irelands again.

There is no south Tyrone you idiot. Clear of back to the Derry thread you clown
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 03, 2016, 10:54:27 PM
south tyrone represents a large proportion of the county, with many clubs. i believe mickey harte is a bluffer as do many i know. is it not ok to say this anymore?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on September 03, 2016, 11:46:44 PM
Has there been anyone stand out in any of the championship games so far that could add something to the county panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 03, 2016, 11:54:37 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 03, 2016, 10:54:27 PM
south tyrone represents a large proportion of the county, with many clubs. i believe mickey harte is a bluffer as do many i know. is it not ok to say this anymore?

I despair!  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2016, 12:14:24 AM
yeah dig ur head even deeper into the sand lads. harte is a bluffer so wake up to what he is doin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 04, 2016, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2016, 12:14:24 AM
yeah dig ur head even deeper into the sand lads. harte is a bluffer so wake up to what he is doin.

If you can bluff a minor all Ireland, two u21 All Irelands, three senior all Irelands and an Ulster club title then that's a master conman indeed!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 04, 2016, 12:44:33 AM
Oh sweet jaysus.
It's so hard to bring up any sort of rational discussion on here without it being hijacked by complete eejits with an alternative agenda.

I am happy with Mickey Harte as our manager and delighted with how he has brought another young team through to win an Ulster title.
Yes I have some issues but I hate it that so many sensible lads say nothing and so the feckin eejits come on and jump on the band wagon.

Maybe I just miss the way we used to play ball and how entertaining it used to be.
I blame my wedding gate crasher Jim McGuinness and how he has changed GAA forever!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2016, 12:49:08 AM
all but one of those teams had p canavan on them. easy job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2016, 01:06:00 AM
agenda? the only agenda i have is the well being of our great county and its teams. m harte is only out for himself as most of the real fans know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 04, 2016, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2016, 12:49:08 AM
all but one of those teams had p canavan on them. easy job.

What position did the 27 year old P Canavan play on Mickey's minor winning team or the 29/30 year old P Canavan on the U21 winning teams?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2016, 01:19:56 AM
i was referring to senior all ireland winning teams. course his u 18, u 21 teams only had mugsy, oneill, jordan, mcguigan, gormley.........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: raglan road on September 04, 2016, 09:33:07 AM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on September 03, 2016, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 03, 2016, 12:24:11 PM
Club football is the same at the minute. Very Very poor games to watch

I have been to mayb 10/12 club league games this year, can't mind 1 that was entertaining
. I am just back from a double header in Carrickmore and I can say with hand on heart that there are some players on the Tyrone panel who would nt make it on to the Waterford football panel . The likes of McNulty should be hammering a Moortown team missing some great players. He does what he does with Tyrone ;carry the ball into a tackle and hand her over .Thankfully Killyckogher made it worth the £5 admission ! Could someone enlighten me as to where is Moortowns minor captain ; if it's true what a loughshore guy told me then I wouldn't want Paul Devlin taking my lads for minors ! Errigal are a team in transition with a lot of u21s; this will help them in the long term .Night night everyone ! Have to get up to wash my Rahillys t shirt !
The Moortown Minor Captain was in for a minor operation this week and is recuperating at home. Wouldn't listen to all I hear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 05, 2016, 10:21:08 AM
Interesting read from Tomás O'Sé about how hard it is to retire. I hope Sean C gives it another 1 or maybe even 2 years. He seemed to be enjoying his football again up until the Mayo game and I think we're well capable of winning Ulster again. Does anyone on here know him well? He seemed to take the Mayo defeat and sending off very badly.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-walking-away-from-intercounty-football-leaves-a-hole-youll-never-fill-believe-me-ive-tried-35017695.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-walking-away-from-intercounty-football-leaves-a-hole-youll-never-fill-believe-me-ive-tried-35017695.html)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 05, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
Conall McCann was unreal for Killyclogher on Saturday. It can sometimes take lads a couple of years on the county panel until they properly settle in and 2017 will be his third year so i wonder if he could make a big impression next year. Skill and talent is hanging out of him and if he could bulk up a bit over the winter i think he could be a serious option for us. Killyclogher also deploy him at full forward sometimes and his height, aerial ability and accuracy in there could definitely be an asset to us. As i said though he could do with bulking up a bit for the county game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on September 05, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 03, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
get rid of micky harte and free tyrone football from his shackles. we have the talent in the county now lets get them playing and winning all irelands again.

Don't feed the troll.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 05, 2016, 11:27:13 AM
Over the weekend I read a post on a Kerry v Dublin thread where posters were discussing Kerry's style of football now and their manager. Here is a extract of what was being said.

Over several decades Kerry have encountered different styles that they weren't ready for and were beaten. Down in the '60s is a good example. But they went away licked their wound and came back with Kerry football that brought victory over any style. Armagh and Tyrone beat them with a style that they weren't ready for in the noughties. Then Kerry management reacted by taking on board a lot of the Ulster tactics and this did bring success.

Eamonn was part of the that team so in his formative years he was exposed to that type of football. His teams now have that stamp. It now seems that whoever manages Kerry will come from that background.

So it appears that native Kerry DNA propagated by Mick O'Dwyer has been contaminated. With the demise of Ulster teams in recent years Kerry have not gone back to being Kerry. If they did there would be no long periods without a score. No forward could possibly have a role that is more important than scoring.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on September 05, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
Fuzzman - did you see Sean playing for Moy yesterday? Having said that what county players have stood out in the club championship????? The Killyclogher, Trillick and Dromore boys.........you would expect a lot more from them but most seem to only care about the county jersey which is sad really.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on September 05, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
Fuzzman - did you see Sean playing for Moy yesterday? Having said that what county players have stood out in the club championship????? The Killyclogher, Trillick and Dromore boys.........you would expect a lot more from them but most seem to only care about the county jersey which is sad really.
To be brutally honest if you took the 2 cavanaghs off the Moy team they'd be anchored at the bottom of the junior division . Sad but true !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 05, 2016, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
Fuzzman - did you see Sean playing for Moy yesterday? Having said that what county players have stood out in the club championship????? The Killyclogher, Trillick and Dromore boys.........you would expect a lot more from them but most seem to only care about the county jersey which is sad really.
The two mccanns and mark bradley where all every good for killyclogher.
Lee Brennan was good for trillick, and even though he was injured and didnt start, matty was good when he came on.

I was impressed with Ryan McKenna for Eglish too, 4 from play from WHB. Did he walk away from the county of his own choosing or what was the story?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 05, 2016, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on September 05, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
Fuzzman - did you see Sean playing for Moy yesterday? Having said that what county players have stood out in the club championship????? The Killyclogher, Trillick and Dromore boys.........you would expect a lot more from them but most seem to only care about the county jersey which is sad really.
To be brutally honest if you took the 2 cavanaghs off the Moy team they'd be anchored at the bottom of the junior division . Sad but true !

They played four starred games this year without the Cavanagh's. Drew with Dungannon and Derrylaughen. Lost by a point to Moortown and Donaghmore. Not really results you'd be expecting from a team anchored at the bottom of junior.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 05, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
Sean will not be retiring why would he imo he has always looked after himself good for another couple of years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on September 05, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 05, 2016, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on September 05, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
Fuzzman - did you see Sean playing for Moy yesterday? Having said that what county players have stood out in the club championship????? The Killyclogher, Trillick and Dromore boys.........you would expect a lot more from them but most seem to only care about the county jersey which is sad really.
To be brutally honest if you took the 2 cavanaghs off the Moy team they'd be anchored at the bottom of the junior division . Sad but true !

They played four starred games this year without the Cavanagh's. Drew with Dungannon and Derrylaughen. Lost by a point to Moortown and Donaghmore. Not really results you'd be expecting from a team anchored at the bottom of junior. Aghaloo beat Donaghmore and Moortown are at half strength . I was there yesterday and young Coleman is about the only other player I'd give a senior jersey to !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 05, 2016, 06:54:25 PM
You sure you were at the game yesterday? The moys two best players on the day were neither Coleman or the cavanaghs. And one of the two players played sigerson this year and the other is a former Tyrone u21 so they've played at a decent level before.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 05, 2016, 07:27:42 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 05, 2016, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
Fuzzman - did you see Sean playing for Moy yesterday? Having said that what county players have stood out in the club championship????? The Killyclogher, Trillick and Dromore boys.........you would expect a lot more from them but most seem to only care about the county jersey which is sad really.
The two mccanns and mark bradley where all every good for killyclogher.
Lee Brennan was good for trillick, and even though he was injured and didnt start, matty was good when he came on.

I was impressed with Ryan McKenna for Eglish too, 4 from play from WHB. Did he walk away from the county of his own choosing or what was the story?

He opted off before Championship in 2015. We are well stocked for wing backs though with the likes of Brennan, Harte, McCann, McNabb, Sludden, Tierney, Monroe, McGeary etc and I don't think he is better than any of those.

I haven't seen anything yet from Conall McCann for him to show he's good enough for the level we aspire to be at but he's still pretty young and inexperienced at this level and Mickey certainly seems to rate him.

How did Joe McMahon and Danny McNulty do yesterday?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 05, 2016, 08:17:06 PM
Conall McCann has yet to show any potential in a Tyrone jersey. But he has looked good for Killyclogher in big championship games. Seems to have decent hands is tall athletic and alright feet. Sometimes just doesnt seem to get stuck in enough. Wouldn't mind seeing him given a go at full forward in the McKenna cup and try some direct ball in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on September 06, 2016, 10:46:17 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/37293130

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on September 06, 2016, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on September 06, 2016, 10:46:17 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/37293130

Did this happen last year too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2016, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 06, 2016, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on September 06, 2016, 10:46:17 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/37293130

Did this happen last year too?

Think it was just dragged out last year.

He's here for another year and if we build on this year I'm sure the job is his if he still wants it. Bit of a snub as I certainly believe he is the only man for the job right now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2016, 11:15:13 PM
no it didnt. county board let each club delegate vote on it but it was obviously rigged as only 3 clubs voted against him. great to see the county board stand up to this chancer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on September 06, 2016, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 06, 2016, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on September 06, 2016, 10:46:17 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/37293130

Did this happen last year too?

What is this "deal" and contract they speak of??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 06, 2016, 11:43:45 PM
Tyrone should have been preparing for an All-Ireland final. It was a painful loss to Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2016, 11:55:46 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 06, 2016, 11:43:45 PM
Tyrone should have been preparing for an All-Ireland final. It was a painful loss to Mayo.
well they arent but mickey was still looking for a second extension. glad  the county board stood up to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 07, 2016, 12:06:34 AM
For the record it's the County Committee that made this decision. A committee made up of club delegates plus elected persons. How many clubs were afforded a chance to debate this before instructing their delegate on how to vote? How many clubs were actually in attendance to vote?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 07, 2016, 12:10:17 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 07, 2016, 12:06:34 AM
For the record it's the County Committee that made this decision. A committee made up of club delegates plus elected persons. How many clubs were afforded a chance to debate this before instructing their delegate on how to vote? How many clubs were actually in attendance to vote?
how many people make up the county committee? i thought the vote last year was made up of a delegate from each club. 46 odd clubs but only 3 went against harte. it all sounds a bit behind closed doors and shady kind of thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 07, 2016, 09:38:08 AM
Would the players have been consulted in this decision? I would guess not as any noises made in the media from the players over the past year or two have been nothing but positive about Harte and the current set up so I'd find it hard to believe they would be against extending his current deal.

I think the arrogance of the county board in relation to Mickey over the past year or two is ridiculous. If he stepped down, who do they think could step up to take up reigns? Peter Canavan? Raymond Munroe? Should we appoint Malachy O'Rourke and get involved in the local GAA managerial merry-go-round?

I think the general bemusement expressed on social media from the rest of the country illustrates how bizarre this situation it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 07, 2016, 09:56:04 AM
No hard to Mickey we all know what he achieved, however I think the county set-up and the style of play has become stagnate and a freshening up is now overdue.Sure he could return in the future as often happens..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on September 07, 2016, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: Helpline on September 07, 2016, 09:56:04 AM
No hard to Mickey we all know what he achieved, however I think the county set-up and the style of play has become stagnate and a freshening up is now overdue.Sure he could return in the future as often happens..

He still has a year left, what is the rush to reappoint. If he has a good year next year then keep him, if they take a step back then re evaluate the whole setup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 07, 2016, 10:01:45 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 07, 2016, 09:38:08 AM
Would the players have been consulted in this decision? I would guess not as any noises made in the media from the players over the past year or two have been nothing but positive about Harte and the current set up so I'd find it hard to believe they would be against extending his current deal.

I think the arrogance of the county board in relation to Mickey over the past year or two is ridiculous. If he stepped down, who do they think could step up to take up reigns? Peter Canavan? Raymond Munroe? Should we appoint Malachy O'Rourke and get involved in the local GAA managerial merry-go-round?

I think the general bemusement expressed on social media from the rest of the country illustrates how bizarre this situation it.
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People in Tyrone are bored with it... same ole...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 07, 2016, 10:14:06 AM
Does anyone on here know any of the players well? Do any of them know  what the mood is with Mickey?
I get the feeling they are happy enough with him though I wonder how many are not totally happy with their style of play? I really don't know.

There is no doubt the man has achieved so much and we need to treat him well, especially being sensitive to his personal life and how being the Tyrone manager has probably helped him hugely dealing with the Michaela thing.
He has rebuilt this team to being back in the top 3 or 4 teams in Ireland, many would say, but with the way the draw fell, this was the year to make it to the final as the next few years could be a lot more difficult.

To most people it's certainly a big snub and it shows that a lot of people aren't happy with him remaining on and so they want to wait and see but most managers would think OK the message is clear here so I shouldn't push it any more and retire amicably. Mickey is not that sort of man from what I can make out and he won't walk away without a struggle.
I would imagine Fergal Logan would be the next man in the hot seat but I can't see Canavan being in any rush to walk away from Sky.

I know a lot on here don't want to speak out against Mickey but I'm curious what are the main reasons for not wanting him to stay on? Is it they don't feel he is improving us or can't lead us to Sam again or is it that they are not happy with how he has the team playing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 07, 2016, 10:28:38 AM
We will get a new manager who will
a. get rid of the blanket defence and go man to man
b. put in a big target man and play the long ball in
c. give everyone a chance to play
d. develop a consistent team
e.ensure there are no media bans
f. give all clubs access to their players
g. never interfere in club fixtures
h. win the all-ireland

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on September 07, 2016, 11:02:49 AM
Im not sure what all the furore is about....he will be in the hotseat until the end of 2017, at least. What happens if tyrone get relegated next year again and bow out of the championship early, will people be so keen to see him stay on into 2018 unchallenged, then?
He was given his original renewed contract and in my view the board is acting how they should with such a high profile job. Another good year in 2017 and im sure he will get his extension.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 07, 2016, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!

Who is the monkey and who is the organ grinder?  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!

Who is the monkey and who is the organ grinder?  ::)

Alright Mulder, the alluminatti are transpiring to keep Mickey in the hotseat. Wise up would ye. He isn't the most popular figure with anyone up there. He is still the best option we have
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!

Who is the monkey and who is the organ grinder?  ::)

Alright Mulder, the alluminatti are transpiring to keep Mickey in the hotseat. Wise up would ye. He isn't the most popular figure with anyone up there. He is still the best option we have

Mulder?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 07, 2016, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!

It may well be that he needs that extension to let players know that his show is the only show in town. Taking a year out and waiting on the new manager is not an option.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!

Who is the monkey and who is the organ grinder?  ::)

Alright Mulder, the alluminatti are transpiring to keep Mickey in the hotseat. Wise up would ye. He isn't the most popular figure with anyone up there. He is still the best option we have

Mulder?

X-files, conspiracy theories, computer jockeys like you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:21:48 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!

Who is the monkey and who is the organ grinder?  ::)

Alright Mulder, the alluminatti are transpiring to keep Mickey in the hotseat. Wise up would ye. He isn't the most popular figure with anyone up there. He is still the best option we have

Mulder?

X-files, conspiracy theories, computer jockeys like you

Oh very clever... getting personal. Hows things bout Errigal since yis got dumped out of the championship.. Mickeys minnion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 07, 2016, 12:24:55 PM
The past eight years of low or at the very most moderate success, Tyrone cant just sit back and be thankful the good days,.. need to take a punt on something new and push on just like we did 2002/2003.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:21:48 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!

Who is the monkey and who is the organ grinder?  ::)

Alright Mulder, the alluminatti are transpiring to keep Mickey in the hotseat. Wise up would ye. He isn't the most popular figure with anyone up there. He is still the best option we have

Mulder?

X-files, conspiracy theories, computer jockeys like you

Oh very clever... getting personal. Hows things bout Errigal since yis got dumped out of the championship.. Mickeys minnion

I'm not from Errigal but I was at the match, no doubt you were sitting watching babestation playing donkey kong!

Can see both sides here why he asked and why they refused but stupidity like blaming club Tyrone helps nobody.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:21:48 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...

What a load of rubbish, its not "their" money, all money is the County Boards responsibility.

Firstly, I think Mickey is the only man for the job but why does he need to start this rubbish now and in the media. Surely any position has to be reviewed and he should wait until the end of the year if he is so confident in this team.

Secondly all this chat about a contract. Its an amateur sport so how can there be any legally binding contract?? Give him 10 years and tell him to slide on at the end of the year if we need. Not like hes going to be out on the bread line. Its football not a career!

Who is the monkey and who is the organ grinder?  ::)

Alright Mulder, the alluminatti are transpiring to keep Mickey in the hotseat. Wise up would ye. He isn't the most popular figure with anyone up there. He is still the best option we have

Mulder?

X-files, conspiracy theories, computer jockeys like you

Oh very clever... getting personal. Hows things bout Errigal since yis got dumped out of the championship.. Mickeys minnion

I'm not from Errigal but I was at the match, no doubt you were sitting watching babestation playing donkey kong!

Can see both sides here why he asked and why they refused but stupidity like blaming club Tyrone helps nobody.

Donkey kong  :D no idea what that is but sounds like fun... do you play it on your own or with a live donkey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 07, 2016, 01:57:59 PM
Does this not show that Mickey doesn't have confidence in himself - Why ask for extension now is he thinking he's in a stronger position now than he would be this time next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on September 07, 2016, 02:43:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 07, 2016, 01:57:59 PM
Does this not show that Mickey doesn't have confidence in himself - Why ask for extension now is he thinking he's in a stronger position now than he would be this time next year?
The only what that Tyrone can win another All Ireland is if we can dump the blonder Thatcher from Eglish and any moron that tries to implant ideas into her vacant brain ! That's all I have to say ! Mickey has done what no other manager could do with thus crop of players ! The man is a genius !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 07, 2016, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Helpline on September 07, 2016, 12:24:55 PM
The past eight years of low or at the very most moderate success, Tyrone cant just sit back and be thankful the good days,.. need to take a punt on something new and push on just like we did 2002/2003.

Don't think appointing Mickey was much of a punt at the time! Mickey just wants the extra year so the players buy into it all. The county board are happy to negotiate the deal later, no harm done with Mickey forcing this issue now! Players don't think Mickeys leaving, so nobody eases up waiting for another manager and Mickey and The County board have an option to renew! Nothing to see here in my view!

Anyway, Mickey will lift Sam next year and walk away himself with his job done! 😃
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 07, 2016, 07:10:20 PM
Why/how does stuff like this get leaked out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 07, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 07, 2016, 07:10:20 PM
Why/how does stuff like this get leaked out.
who ever said it was supposed to be a secret? the people of tyrone deserve to know whats goin on behind the scenes. after all we are the paying punters who go to games/donate to the cause.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on September 08, 2016, 09:09:53 AM
Quote from: redzone on September 07, 2016, 07:10:20 PM
Why/how does stuff like this get leaked out.

Micky doesn't seem to mind using the media when it suits him. Its back to the same old crap, if he would just drop the RTE ban there wouldn't be a problem renewing. Has to be pressure from the sponsor, who clearly aren't getting the exposure they were promised.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 08, 2016, 09:31:31 AM
Everybody is missing the point.  The decision not to extend Mickey's tenure was taken by the County Committee this is a committee made up with a representative of every club (football and hurling).  This is an individual opinion and not necessarily the view of the club they represent.  However the fact remains that off that pool of people Mickey didn't have the full support of those club representatives.  I see Roisin Jordan has been blamed and described as Thatcher, she can only bring it to the committee for them to vote. 

I would advise you to contact your clubs county representative for further perspective on why Mickey was declined an extension. 

Personally I think it was the correct decision. Mickey masked 6 years of failure by winning the Anglo Celt this year but then looked tactically lost against a Poor Mayo team. (Dublin will expose how poor they are).  Mickey has 2017 which I think is right but he has to show that this team is making progress and that should include the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 08, 2016, 10:52:50 AM
Interesting look at the success rate from frees from Dean Rock and Cillian O'Connor below
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-the-duel-of-the-dead-ball-specialists-1.2783320

I wonder how Michael Murphy, Conor McManus and Tyrone rate. I understand a lot of the ones Morgan hits are difficult or far out but I think we've missed a lot of ones inside the 40 this year too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 08, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
I see a lot of people on here now see 2017 as a 'limbo' year, IE. be nice to Mickey for 12 months and then wave bye bye and wait for euphoria
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 08, 2016, 11:57:20 AM
I feel Mickey is in the top three football managers of all time and the people of Tyrone will always be indebted to him for what he has delivered and how he has raised standards within our county.
However I think his reign can be compared to that of many dictators and their general cycle:

LIBERATION 2002 – 2007: From the dark times of nearly men to winners and genuine contenders

COMPLACENCY 2007-2010: The image that Tyrone would dominate in Ulster forever and deliver more Ulster titles

DEPENDANCE 2010 -2012: Dependant on the old guard to make things happen but not quite working

TYRANNY 2012 – 2017: Ruling the squad with an iron fist, implementing media bans (RTE), letting players walk and then discussing in the media.

But what is the final step in the cycle of a dictator...... REVOLUTION! Has it already started?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 08, 2016, 12:06:13 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 08, 2016, 11:57:20 AM
I feel Mickey is in the top three football managers of all time and the people of Tyrone will always be indebted to him for what he has delivered and how he has raised standards within our county.
However I think his reign can be compared to that of many dictators and their general cycle:

LIBERATION 2002 – 2007: From the dark times of nearly men to winners and genuine contenders

COMPLACENCY 2007-2010: The image that Tyrone would dominate in Ulster forever and deliver more Ulster titles

DEPENDANCE 2010 -2012: Dependant on the old guard to make things happen but not quite working

TYRANNY 2012 – 2017: Ruling the squad with an iron fist, implementing media bans (RTE), letting players walk and then discussing in the media.

But what is the final step in the cycle of a dictator...... REVOLUTION! Has it already started?

Love this logic....

I believe that opinion in the county is divided on the best way forward.  Probably 60/40 in favour of Mickey remaining as Tyrone manager.  Just a question did Mickey need 50% County Committee support to get the extension or did he require a 70% majority??  Like the brexit issue if the day actually comes that there is no Mickey, is there a back up plan or an exit strategy.  I cant think of a candidate in waiting.  I don't feel Fergal Logan is the man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 08, 2016, 12:22:29 PM
Very well stated WT4E.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2016, 10:31:22 PM
i think the county board or committee should get their heads together now and plan for a future without harte in 2018. compile a list of potential managers and work from there. plenty of men good enough to the job. my preference would be first mattie mc gleenan, then malachy o rourke then current u21 team[logan,canavan dooher] and only if they agree to play more attacking football instead of the muck i seen in this yrs u21 ulster final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on September 09, 2016, 12:27:56 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Reliably told Club Tyrone threatened to pull their funding if he wasn't ratified last time. Don't worry the blanket is here to stay...
Getting bored with this, we waste our well earned money going to watch the muck we are producing and he still gets to stay! So if he was to go what would Club Tyrone do with the money?   

MH is obviously becoming more deluded than Wenger, its not his county team / county board it belongs to us all! Thanks for the memories Mickey but please go with dignity!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 09, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
JP, out of interest who would you have in as a replacement? This isn't an argument that I think Mickey is irreplaceable by the way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 09, 2016, 02:27:06 PM

Time make Tyrone great again. :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 09, 2016, 09:06:22 PM
yes we need to start putting our county first and not individuals. any word on the street about how harte  took his rubuff the other nite?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 09, 2016, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 09, 2016, 09:06:22 PM
yes we need to start putting our county first and not individuals. any word on the street about how harte  took his rubuff the other nite?

Yeah was chatting him and he said he going nowhere and also said he doesn't give one f**k what southtyronegael  has to say
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 09, 2016, 09:30:11 PM
yup sounds like him alright. mickey hussein.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on September 10, 2016, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 09, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
JP, out of interest who would you have in as a replacement? This isn't an argument that I think Mickey is irreplaceable by the way.
MH needs to be replaced soon, he cant go on forever. He casts asides players that are good enough but arent "his type", this was ok in they '00s when the backbone of the team were basically irreplaceable,but not now. And thats besides the rubbish were supposed to go to watch in the form of a "system".

If i want my children to play for tyrone do i need to get them to train hard but also learn the novena?

Logan, canavan is an option. As is Malachy orourke. But ask yourself the question, if he had to have walked away in eithor 08 or '10 (an absolute legend of the game) and someone else came in and had overseen the past 6-8yrs, would they still be in charge?? We all know the answer!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on September 10, 2016, 09:01:46 AM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2016, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 09, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
JP, out of interest who would you have in as a replacement? This isn't an argument that I think Mickey is irreplaceable by the way.
MH needs to be replaced soon, he cant go on forever. He casts asides players that are good enough but arent "his type", this was ok in they '00s when the backbone of the team were basically irreplaceable,but not now. And thats besides the rubbish were supposed to go to watch in the form of a "system".

If i want my children to play for tyrone do i need to get them to train hard but also learn the novena?

Logan, canavan is an option. As is Malachy orourke. But ask yourself the question, if he had to have walked away in eithor 08 or '10 (an absolute legend of the game) and someone else came in and had overseen the past 6-8yrs, would they still be in charge?? We all know the answer!

Do you really think our playing style would be any better under any of the three men you have mentioned. Based on the teams these three men have managed the answer is most definitely no!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maximus on September 10, 2016, 09:12:33 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 10, 2016, 09:01:46 AM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2016, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 09, 2016, 12:31:17 PM
JP, out of interest who would you have in as a replacement? This isn't an argument that I think Mickey is irreplaceable by the way.
MH needs to be replaced soon, he cant go on forever. He casts asides players that are good enough but arent "his type", this was ok in they '00s when the backbone of the team were basically irreplaceable,but not now. And thats besides the rubbish were supposed to go to watch in the form of a "system".

If i want my children to play for tyrone do i need to get them to train hard but also learn the novena?

Logan, canavan is an option. As is Malachy orourke. But ask yourself the question, if he had to have walked away in eithor 08 or '10 (an absolute legend of the game) and someone else came in and had overseen the past 6-8yrs, would they still be in charge?? We all know the answer!

Do you really think our playing style would be any better under any of the three men you have mentioned. Based on the teams these three men have managed the answer is most definitely no!

The managers mentioned have set their teams up in a similar manner to Tyrone and it could be said aim to recreate the structure which Tyrone use.
I think those who criticise Harte and his style of play need to acknowledge that we don't have players of the same quality as Dublin. We cant go out and go man to man and see who comes out on top. We set up defensively and aim to limit other teams because we lack the quality forwards that other teams have.
I feel Harte has pretty consistently got Tyrone's best players on the pitch. The system is to an extent dictated by the fact we no longer have the quality of previous decade. The alternate suggested to drive the ball in to a big man on the edge of the square has been shown to be rather ineffective with current defensive structures.
I have to say that getting to within a kick of a ball of an All Ireland Final but for a lack of composure in front of goal was good achievement given the quality of the teams we are competing against and the forward power they have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 12, 2016, 09:06:14 AM
The rate of change in Tyrone is akin to the Vatican.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 12, 2016, 10:57:11 AM
Maximus, I agree with most of what you said there but I wonder is part of the reason we don't have those quality forwards any more is that we are not encouraging good attack minded play any more. I don't know as I'm based in Dublin now a long time but this is the question I'm asking. Are most underage teams being encouraged to run with the ball? To not kick pass into the forward line? Are they berated if they lose possession or try to do something fancy or is it just at senior level? I don't know so can someone answer these questions for me?

I presume most club managers chose to play the safer defensive system as they know it makes them harder to beat so is this having a negative influence in our forwards development?
Personally I think if Harte had not got us playing this way the last number of years we would not be reaching AI semi finals and maybe even quarterfinals but my worry is that is has all developed this way because we got so obsessed with Donegal and having to beat them at their own game. I'm glad we finally have done that but my concern is that Harte will not even slightly move away from this type of game now and continue to ask even our full forwards to drop back to defend. I think there are certain matches we might have to play that way but it should not be our default style.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maximus on September 12, 2016, 11:25:16 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 12, 2016, 10:57:11 AM
Maximus, I agree with most of what you said there but I wonder is part of the reason we don't have those quality forwards any more is that we are not encouraging good attack minded play any more. I don't know as I'm based in Dublin now a long time but this is the question I'm asking. Are most underage teams being encouraged to run with the ball? To not kick pass into the forward line? Are they berated if they lose possession or try to do something fancy or is it just at senior level? I don't know so can someone answer these questions for me?

I presume most club managers chose to play the safer defensive system as they know it makes them harder to beat so is this having a negative influence in our forwards development?
Personally I think if Harte had not got us playing this way the last number of years we would not be reaching AI semi finals and maybe even quarterfinals but my worry is that is has all developed this way because we got so obsessed with Donegal and having to beat them at their own game. I'm glad we finally have done that but my concern is that Harte will not even slightly move away from this type of game now and continue to ask even our full forwards to drop back to defend. I think there are certain matches we might have to play that way but it should not be our default style.

I think that at all levels and age groups managers and players want to win and will do whatever gets them over the line. If playing against a team with 13 men behind the ball it takes a special player to pick a pass and find an inside forward. Teams play the percentages and aim to retain possession so kicking is sometimes seen as counter-productive unless the ball is moved faster than the defensive set-up gets in place. I think certainly at underage there is a greater reluctance to kick the ball for this reason. 
Would Tyrone set up differently if they had Peter Canavan and Stephen O'Neill? I think so but that's just wishful thinking!
Things have moved forward for Tyrone. The transition from defence into attack has greatly improved especially this year. A free taker would make us much more competitive in these tight games. I don't thing Tyrone have become stagnant or stuck in the past as some suggest but are merely setting up in a way which makes them competitive and able to deal how other teams set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 12, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
As posted in the club thread -

Let it be said that Tyrone have been crying out for a free taker and from memory I don't think Lee Breenan missed any yesterday. Great off the ground especially when having to judge a swirling wind around Pomeroy. Some may say he's young but if he's good enough, he's old enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 12, 2016, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 12, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
As posted in the club thread -

Let it be said that Tyrone have been crying out for a free taker and from memory I don't think Lee Breenan missed any yesterday. Great off the ground especially when having to judge a swirling wind around Pomeroy. Some may say he's young but if he's good enough, he's old enough
was at the game and brennan indeed was immaculate from placed balls. 6 points and a penalty scored with no misses. mark bradley was excellent too both from play and placed balls.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maximus on September 13, 2016, 02:25:28 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 12, 2016, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 12, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
As posted in the club thread -

Let it be said that Tyrone have been crying out for a free taker and from memory I don't think Lee Breenan missed any yesterday. Great off the ground especially when having to judge a swirling wind around Pomeroy. Some may say he's young but if he's good enough, he's old enough
was at the game and brennan indeed was immaculate from placed balls. 6 points and a penalty scored with no misses. mark bradley was excellent too both from play and placed balls.

Hopefully he can do it on the big stage. The issue with our free takers in recent times has been that in club games, McKenna Cup and League they have been good but on the big day in Croke Park have lost their way a bit and lost the previous consistency.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 13, 2016, 05:55:40 AM
Quote from: maximus on September 13, 2016, 02:25:28 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 12, 2016, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 12, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
As posted in the club thread -

Let it be said that Tyrone have been crying out for a free taker and from memory I don't think Lee Breenan missed any yesterday. Great off the ground especially when having to judge a swirling wind around Pomeroy. Some may say he's young but if he's good enough, he's old enough
was at the game and brennan indeed was immaculate from placed balls. 6 points and a penalty scored with no misses. mark bradley was excellent too both from play and placed balls.

Hopefully he can do it on the big stage. The issue with our free takers in recent times has been that in club games, McKenna Cup and League they have been good but on the big day in Croke Park have lost their way a bit and lost the previous consistency.

That's a load of keek
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maximus on September 13, 2016, 06:07:00 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 13, 2016, 05:55:40 AM
Quote from: maximus on September 13, 2016, 02:25:28 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 12, 2016, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 12, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
As posted in the club thread -

Let it be said that Tyrone have been crying out for a free taker and from memory I don't think Lee Breenan missed any yesterday. Great off the ground especially when having to judge a swirling wind around Pomeroy. Some may say he's young but if he's good enough, he's old enough
was at the game and brennan indeed was immaculate from placed balls. 6 points and a penalty scored with no misses. mark bradley was excellent too both from play and placed balls.

Hopefully he can do it on the big stage. The issue with our free takers in recent times has been that in club games, McKenna Cup and League they have been good but on the big day in Croke Park have lost their way a bit and lost the previous consistency.

That's a load of keek

What are you referring to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 13, 2016, 08:33:35 AM
would love  to find my post from start of last year. Brennan was the best hope we had then both from play and frees. The other 3 amigos had there shots and continually blew it when push came to shove.

Mickey gave them another chance this year and I don't think he will make the same mistake this year. No matter what kind of fella mc nulty is he should be brought in to as he is something different and he picks the same guys to rely on this year will be madness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maximus on September 13, 2016, 08:41:43 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 13, 2016, 08:33:35 AM
would love  to find my post from start of last year. Brennan was the best hope we had then both from play and frees. The other 3 amigos had there shots and continually blew it when push came to shove.

"Mickey gave them another chance this year and I don't think he will make the same mistake this year. No matter what kind of fella mc nulty is he should be brought in to as he is something different and he picks the same guys to rely on this year will be madness.

Both had had countless chances to take the bull by the horn and nail down their places. Unfortunately I don't see options to replace them both. Mc caliskey goes from the sublime to the truly awful and mc curry cracks under pressure. Brennan is ready to go now and should get a big run in the league then decide if hes ready for championship heat or not!"

Time will tell! Good shout a year ago
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 13, 2016, 09:49:25 AM
Don't think Cassidy wants McNulty to play for the county, he doesn't want any Clonoe men to, AFAIK
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on September 13, 2016, 04:20:15 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 13, 2016, 09:49:25 AM
Don't think Cassidy wants McNulty to play for the county, he doesn't want any Clonoe men to, AFAIK

Who says Cassidy will be with Clonoe next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 13, 2016, 07:21:28 PM
cassidy like mickey be there if the moneys right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 13, 2016, 10:45:45 PM
i see monaghan have extended malachy o rourkes contract for 3 yrs. that rules him out for the tyrone job for the foreseeable. mattie mc gleenan has scotstown back in county final for fourth consecutive year. anyone think hed be a good man for tyrone hotseat?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on September 13, 2016, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 13, 2016, 07:21:28 PM
cassidy like mickey be there if the moneys right.

Don't know he may be in line for mickeys job but unless Clonoe go on an extended run through Ulster I don't see him being there this will be his 6th season a new voice might be needed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 10:06:04 PM
How does today's game offer hindsight on this year's campaign?

I feel we left a golden opportunity behind this year but I think it goes to show you that margin are very slim and slight improvements can get us there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 18, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
Aye galway and fermanagh think that too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 11:45:45 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 18, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
Aye galway and fermanagh think that too

Why would Galway think it? They were comprehensively beaten by Tipperary.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 19, 2016, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 11:45:45 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 18, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
Aye galway and fermanagh think that too

Why would Galway think it? They were comprehensively beaten by Tipperary.
They actually beat mayo. Mayo today were very much improved on anything they produced all year. Bomber makes me a little bit ill every time I read one of his posts
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 19, 2016, 08:54:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 10:06:04 PM
How does today's game offer hindsight on this year's campaign?

I feel we left a golden opportunity behind this year but I think it goes to show you that margin are very slim and slight improvements can get us there.

From a Tyrone perspective, what I took from the game yesterday is that v Mayo, with big Sean off the field, we didn't have a forward with the cojones of Cillian O'Connor to stand up and get that vital score at the end of the game. Now I'm not O'Connors biggest fan - I think he has his limitations, particularly speed - but he has a tendency to stand up and take the game by the scruff of the neck when it's needed most and you could tell when he got the ball yesterday that he had only one thing on his mind, and that was to score the equalizer and no way was he going to pass the buck.

Unfortunately the likes of McAliskey, O'Neill, McCurry have yet to prove they can do similar for us. Bear in mind that O'Connor was a minor in 2010 so is the same age as O'Neill and a year younger than Skeet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on September 19, 2016, 10:19:13 AM
Over the last few years Mayo have consistently been one of the top challengers for Sam and been able to put it up to all the other top counties in championship football. The only serious contenders for Sam since 2011 have been Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and Mayo. Tyrone have been nowhere near it, and are nowhere near it...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 19, 2016, 10:52:35 AM
Right, who has made enough of an an impact in the Championship that they should be considered for an extended run in the league?
From the games I have seen
Danny McNulty
Declan McClure
Ruairi Sludden
Danny Gorman
Lee Brennan
Jonny Munroe
I am not adding Mark Bradley to the list as I think he should be held back to the dry ground.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on September 19, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 19, 2016, 10:52:35 AM
Right, who has made enough of an an impact in the Championship that they should be considered for an extended run in the league?
From the games I have seen
Danny McNulty
Declan McClure
Ruairi Sludden
Danny Gorman
Lee Brennan
Jonny Munroe
I am not adding Mark Bradley to the list as I think he should be held back to the dry ground.
Two McGearys
Ruairi Loughran
Frank Burns
Paudie Hampsey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 19, 2016, 01:20:04 PM
It's pointless talking about these scoring forwards unless the system changes to accommodate them. Playing 1 up top surrounded by 3 defenders doesn't work

Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley were the stand outs in Pomeroy last weekend. DD Mulgrew and Michael Cassidy were excellent going forward with the ball

Paudie Hampsey and Jonny Munroe good midfield options
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 19, 2016, 03:47:53 PM
Surely Mickey will adapt our setup next year. If he chooses to continue the one up front policy then we deserve to stale and stagnate. There are good options out there and they should be given a fair crack of the whip.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2016, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 19, 2016, 03:47:53 PM
Surely Mickey will adapt our setup next year. If he chooses to continue the one up front policy then we deserve to stale and stagnate. There are good options out there and they should be given a fair crack of the whip.

Our scoring forwards are too light for the modern game, you can only really cater for two of McAliskey, McCurry, Brennan, Bradley and O'Neill on the pitch at any one time.

Look at the other top teams at the minute and the size of their forward lines compared to ours if we were looking at trying to get a few more scoring options in the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 20, 2016, 09:21:01 PM
has anyone seen any defenders. our fullbackline is shit. ruairi keenan looks in great shape possible option for middle of the park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2016, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 20, 2016, 09:21:01 PM
has anyone seen any defenders. our fullbackline is shit. ruairi keenan looks in great shape possible option for middle of the park.

Would like to see Hampsey getting a run at full back in the league next year.

Felt McNamee was poor enough last year and while McCrory is a good honest player and a decent option to have I'd like to see someone who can offer a bit more get a run out last year.

What would you guys think of Rory Brennan at corner back, we have loads of half back options and I think Rory Brennan is one of those types of players who can play anywhere on the pitch. He's a good tackler,  has great pace and fitness to get up and down the pitch.

Would like to see something like this for the league:

1. Morgan
2. Rory Brennan
3. Hamspey
4. McCarron/McNamee
5. McCann
6. Burns
7. K McGeary
8. Mattie Donnelly
9. C Cavanagh
10. Sludden
11. Harte
12. R Donnelly
13. L Brennan/McCurry
14. D McNuly/N McKenna
15. McAliskey/O'Neill

What held Lee Brennan up last year was the u21 management pulling him from league games. O'Neill performed very well during the league and McCurry and McAliskey were already firmly established from the previous year. So come Championship he was firmly behind all them, he's u21 against this year so could suffer the same fate.

Hopefully Conor Meyler can shake off his injury problems as I think he can be a big player for us next year if he stays injury free.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: KIDDO 4 on September 20, 2016, 11:34:46 PM
Ronan Mc Nabb not on this selection, All star nomination in 2015.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 21, 2016, 03:46:25 AM
OSE Ruairi Keenan nice lad but not any way near County standard he is to slow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2016, 08:25:08 AM
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on September 20, 2016, 11:34:46 PM
Ronan Mc Nabb not on this selection, All star nomination in 2015.

I thought McNabb was off the pace this year which was completely understandable given he only returned to action in May after a serious injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 21, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
So your judging a player who has just returned from injury and ruling him out for league action in 5 months time ........ One of the best Club players about and consistently plays well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 21, 2016, 12:24:13 PM
What about young McShane. I'd like to see him given another chance in the FF line but I'd love to see us play all three forwards in there and not just one or two.

I think Sludden really improved last year and if it wasn't for injury Meyler too would have been a first choice now.
Munroe also looks to be coming along well and you would imagine Rory Brennan will be a starter from here on in. I wonder will Justy call it a day.
Hopefully Richie Donnelly can push on as well so we've a lot of young lads there pushing for places and hopefully Mickey gives them the chance during the league although he'll be very keen to keep it tight again and stay in Div 1.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 21, 2016, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 21, 2016, 12:24:13 PM
What about young McShane. I'd like to see him given another chance in the FF line but I'd love to see us play all three forwards in there and not just one or two.

I think Sludden really improved last year and if it wasn't for injury Meyler too would have been a first choice now.
Munroe also looks to be coming along well and you would imagine Rory Brennan will be a starter from here on in. I wonder will Justy call it a day.
Hopefully Richie Donnelly can push on as well so we've a lot of young lads there pushing for places and hopefully Mickey gives them the chance during the league although he'll be very keen to keep it tight again and stay in Div 1.

Meyler first choice! barely warrants a starting place on the St Enda's team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on September 21, 2016, 12:48:49 PM
McShane was very poor for a tyrone senior last Friday night in Omagh against the Rock in Junior championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 21, 2016, 01:30:48 PM
Did I hear he "hit" one of his own players during that game??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 21, 2016, 01:40:48 PM
He looked like a lad who was bored and wanted to be elsewhere last friday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleafgael on September 21, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
Youse are being very harsh on the lad. Far too much expected of him.

What age is James Darcy?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 21, 2016, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: Helpline on September 21, 2016, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 21, 2016, 12:24:13 PM
What about young McShane. I'd like to see him given another chance in the FF line but I'd love to see us play all three forwards in there and not just one or two.

I think Sludden really improved last year and if it wasn't for injury Meyler too would have been a first choice now.
Munroe also looks to be coming along well and you would imagine Rory Brennan will be a starter from here on in. I wonder will Justy call it a day.
Hopefully Richie Donnelly can push on as well so we've a lot of young lads there pushing for places and hopefully Mickey gives them the chance during the league although he'll be very keen to keep it tight again and stay in Div 1.

Meyler first choice! barely warrants a starting place on the St Enda's team.
Good joke
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on September 21, 2016, 02:37:39 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 21, 2016, 01:30:48 PM
Did I hear he "hit" one of his own players during that game??

had heard something similar but believe it happened in the league game between both clubs a few weeks ago - sounds a bit far fetched to be honest
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mountain Man on September 21, 2016, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on September 21, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
Youse are being very harsh on the lad. Far too much expected of him.

What age is James Darcy?

Darcy was a county minor in 2015. Was on the u21 panel this year with limited game time. Should see more game time next year. Has been very impressive for the Tatts this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 21, 2016, 03:09:22 PM
Mc Shane takes a lot on on his own for Roes, whether that's his own doing or if they have told him to go for it. He was visibly annoyed when they lost and I don't understand people being so harsh on the lad. He was still under 21 last year and thrown in to start for the seniors. His form was bit inconsistent and some wild shooting but think that will all improve with experience. Seems like a good lad with a good mindset.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2016, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 21, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
So your judging a player who has just returned from injury and ruling him out for league action in 5 months time ........ One of the best Club players about and consistently plays well

I'm not ruling anyone out of league action, it would be a team along the lines of what I would like to see get plenty of game time in next year's league. The half back and half forward lines are the most competitive in our squad, McNabb will need to return to his 2015 form next year if he wants to be starting. He looked very rusty this year, understandably.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 21, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
id imagine ruairi keenan is as quick as aidan o shea whom he did a decent job on in 08. he looks in pretty good shape to me and looks as quick as our current midfield combatants. big mcclure is a decent player as well. hampsey must start at FB id love to see munroe at corner back and stick with dirk in the corner only because of his experience compared to those two.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on September 21, 2016, 09:25:57 PM
Speaking from a club perspective I would hate to see Munroe playing corner back for the county would ruin him in my opinion!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on September 21, 2016, 09:30:24 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 21, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
id imagine ruairi keenan is as quick as aidan o shea whom he did a decent job on in 08. he looks in pretty good shape to me and looks as quick as our current midfield combatants. big mcclure is a decent player as well. hampsey must start at FB id love to see munroe at corner back and stick with dirk in the corner only because of his experience compared to those two.

Have a bit of sense ose, ruairi Keenan is nowhere near county standard. He played against us in the quarter final of the championship and didn't stand out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 21, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 21, 2016, 01:30:48 PM
Did I hear he "hit" one of his own players during that game??

? No idea what this is about!?

Did you hear it or not hear it?

Believe you me, Cathal gives it 100pc. If I had to criticise him. He tries too hard and does too much at times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 22, 2016, 04:11:21 AM
Quote from: WBF on September 21, 2016, 09:25:57 PM
Speaking from a club perspective I would hate to see Munroe playing corner back for the county would ruin him in my opinion!

How do you reckon playing for the county would ruin him? I think totally the opposite. Surely playing at a higher level can only develop a player. To improve players need a challenge and county level will bring that to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on September 22, 2016, 07:38:03 AM
I think him playin at cornerback would take away his natural attacking instinct, it happened with sparky for us when he played for Tyrone he had lost his scoring ability for a few years and was turned in to a runner but now he seems to be getting it back this year a bit! Again only my opinion but I think Johnny is a lot better out the field
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 22, 2016, 08:40:16 AM
Quote from: WBF on September 22, 2016, 07:38:03 AM
I think him playin at cornerback would take away his natural attacking instinct, it happened with sparky for us when he played for Tyrone he had lost his scoring ability for a few years and was turned in to a runner but now he seems to be getting it back this year a bit! Again only my opinion but I think Johnny is a lot better out the field

I don't think you are comparing like for like here. Johnny will be able to adapt far easier to different styles than sparky was.  Anyway the way the game is played now a corner back is all over the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on September 22, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
Yeah that's true I suppose, Although I cant see him being used by Micky at corner back anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 22, 2016, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 21, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
id imagine ruairi keenan is as quick as aidan o shea whom he did a decent job on in 08. he looks in pretty good shape to me and looks as quick as our current midfield combatants. big mcclure is a decent player as well. hampsey must start at FB id love to see munroe at corner back and stick with dirk in the corner only because of his experience compared to those two.
Did O'Shea not play at CHF with PH on him in 08?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 22, 2016, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: Cheltenham Fun on September 22, 2016, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 22, 2016, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 21, 2016, 09:12:25 PM
id imagine ruairi keenan is as quick as aidan o shea whom he did a decent job on in 08. he looks in pretty good shape to me and looks as quick as our current midfield combatants. big mcclure is a decent player as well. hampsey must start at FB id love to see munroe at corner back and stick with dirk in the corner only because of his experience compared to those two.
Did O'Shea not play at CHF with PH on him in 08?

I was thinking that myself but didn't want to say incase my memory was starting to let me down.   ;D
I wasn't at the replay but my memory from the original match was that O'Shea was not too hot at tracking back and PH was getting a lot of space. I think he eventually moved to WHF where he had a bit more joy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 22, 2016, 02:10:21 PM
playing at a higher level should improve you you would think. but a lot of clubs with players in the squad and not making the team would beg to differ. tyrones slavery to the system and in house games do not improve the squad men. it takes at least 8 weeks to get county players deprogrammed from running backwards and passing the ball sideways (and to get the sound of hoss out of their heads). tyrones fullbacks are that poor they make skeet oneill and mcshane look worldbeaters in the famous inhouse games. niall sludden is the exception he has actually improved tyrone not the other way round.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 22, 2016, 05:18:28 PM
dont think a study is required when your dealing with the supernatural. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 22, 2016, 06:02:35 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 22, 2016, 02:10:21 PM
playing at a higher level should improve you you would think. but a lot of clubs with players in the squad and not making the team would beg to differ. tyrones slavery to the system and in house games do not improve the squad men. it takes at least 8 weeks to get county players deprogrammed from running backwards and passing the ball sideways (and to get the sound of hoss out of their heads). tyrones fullbacks are that poor they make skeet oneill and mcshane look worldbeaters in the famous inhouse games. niall sludden is the exception he has actually improved tyrone not the other way round.

Biggest problem is Club players being played out of position for the County and being slated when it doesn't work out - Chance gone and so they become a "Squad" player. Many Decent Club players have been held back by being sent this route, also destroying a players confidence
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 22, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 22, 2016, 06:02:35 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 22, 2016, 02:10:21 PM
playing at a higher level should improve you you would think. but a lot of clubs with players in the squad and not making the team would beg to differ. tyrones slavery to the system and in house games do not improve the squad men. it takes at least 8 weeks to get county players deprogrammed from running backwards and passing the ball sideways (and to get the sound of hoss out of their heads). tyrones fullbacks are that poor they make skeet oneill and mcshane look worldbeaters in the famous inhouse games. niall sludden is the exception he has actually improved tyrone not the other way round.

Biggest problem is Club players being played out of position for the County and being slated when it doesn't work out - Chance gone and so they become a "Squad" player. Many Decent Club players have been held back by being sent this route, also destroying a players confidence

Any examples of this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 22, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
good example of this was when conan grugan played a fair few mc kenna cup/league games in chf then come the big championship game against monaghan in clones he was threw into midfield against darrren hughes and dick clerkin. didnt go well and wasnt seen since,2014 think it was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 22, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
good example of this was when conan grugan played a fair few mc kenna cup/league games in chf then come the big championship game against monaghan in clones he was threw into midfield against darrren hughes and dick clerkin. didnt go well and wasnt seen since,2014 think it was.

I get what u are saying about grugan but I'd a thought midfield was his natural position. Anyway he walked from the panel himself, prob knew it wasn't for him. Good players can play anywhere. One dimensional players won't cut it at senior inter county level. Monroe, mcgeary Brennan are a few that can play different positions. U have to patient and keep ure head down and take your chance when it comes. I still chuckle at the Clonoe players who walked that time. Stinking attitude.

For the record sparkly Donnelly got a raw deal the time he was dropped. He was Tyrones best player one year but maybe Harte had his reasons, I'm not sure.

That's the nature of county football, your needed one day but there's always somebody else willing to take your jersey the next
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 22, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 22, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
good example of this was when conan grugan played a fair few mc kenna cup/league games in chf then come the big championship game against monaghan in clones he was threw into midfield against darrren hughes and dick clerkin. didnt go well and wasnt seen since,2014 think it was.

I get what u are saying about grugan but I'd a thought midfield was his natural position. Anyway he walked from the panel himself, prob knew it wasn't for him. Good players can play anywhere. One dimensional players won't cut it at senior inter county level. Monroe, mcgeary Brennan are a few that can play different positions. U have to patient and keep ure head down and take your chance when it comes. I still chuckle at the Clonoe players who walked that time. Stinking attitude.

For the record sparkly Donnelly got a raw deal the time he was dropped. He was Tyrones best player one year but maybe Harte had his reasons, I'm not sure.

That's the nature of county football, your needed one day but there's always somebody else willing to take your jersey the next
This opinion is incredibly arrogant. Here we have people criticising players for walking away from the county set up while praising those who hang about just to make up the numbers. I don't believe Kieran Mc Geary Rory Brennan or Johnny Munroe are better players than Conan Grugan but because he has decided that he needed time away to try to become a better player and needed regular competitive football he is being criticised. Is Conan Grugan better than Paudi Mc Nulty, Kieran Mc Geary, Aiden Mc Crory Richie Donnelly Barry Tierney... some will say he is others will say he isn't, just as Ardboe are glad Shay mc guigan and Coney left ,Eglish are glad the Mc Kennas left, Omagh are glad Conan Grugan left a set up which he obviously wasn't in love with to become club captain. Just because someone is on the county panel does not make them a better player than someone not on the county panel. Its all about opinions... Is Mc Curry better than Leo Meenan in 2012 or Eoin Mc Cusker in 2012. While you have your wee chuckle at the clonoe players who walked do you believe PJ Lavery or Collie Doris aren't county standard. Tyrone need every player of that level available for selection. Would it be possible that some of this may be Mickey Hartes fault

A wise man once told me anyone can manage a committed player but only the great managers can bring the talented less committed players along with the rest, is mickey too arrogant to try to bring everyone with him or is he right...
I feel like Fuzzman asking all these silly questions 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 23, 2016, 07:09:01 AM
in hiding some great points. if you take that one step further the chosen few at underage level are committed by association by being picked, the ones that are dropped are not. Not good enough apparently. kerry have 120 in their underage dev squads tyrone 35ish are we better at picking the select 40 earlier than the kerry men, id doubt it. we are wasting too much doe at the top of the pyramid. football remains a very subjective selector and it shouldnt be. garvaghey is turning into waco. siege mentality, were the chosen ones , hoping for the second coming of sam. total fiction.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on September 23, 2016, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 22, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 22, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
good example of this was when conan grugan played a fair few mc kenna cup/league games in chf then come the big championship game against monaghan in clones he was threw into midfield against darrren hughes and dick clerkin. didnt go well and wasnt seen since,2014 think it was.

I get what u are saying about grugan but I'd a thought midfield was his natural position. Anyway he walked from the panel himself, prob knew it wasn't for him. Good players can play anywhere. One dimensional players won't cut it at senior inter county level. Monroe, mcgeary Brennan are a few that can play different positions. U have to patient and keep ure head down and take your chance when it comes. I still chuckle at the Clonoe players who walked that time. Stinking attitude.

For the record sparkly Donnelly got a raw deal the time he was dropped. He was Tyrones best player one year but maybe Harte had his reasons, I'm not sure.

That's the nature of county football, your needed one day but there's always somebody else willing to take your jersey the next
This opinion is incredibly arrogant. Here we have people criticising players for walking away from the county set up while praising those who hang about just to make up the numbers. I don't believe Kieran Mc Geary Rory Brennan or Johnny Munroe are better players than Conan Grugan but because he has decided that he needed time away to try to become a better player and needed regular competitive football he is being criticised. Is Conan Grugan better than Paudi Mc Nulty, Kieran Mc Geary, Aiden Mc Crory Richie Donnelly Barry Tierney... some will say he is others will say he isn't, just as Ardboe are glad Shay mc guigan and Coney left ,Eglish are glad the Mc Kennas left, Omagh are glad Conan Grugan left a set up which he obviously wasn't in love with to become club captain. Just because someone is on the county panel does not make them a better player than someone not on the county panel. Its all about opinions... Is Mc Curry better than Leo Meenan in 2012 or Eoin Mc Cusker in 2012. While you have your wee chuckle at the clonoe players who walked do you believe PJ Lavery or Collie Doris aren't county standard. Tyrone need every player of that level available for selection. Would it be possible that some of this may be Mickey Hartes fault

A wise man once told me anyone can manage a committed player but only the great managers can bring the talented less committed players along with the rest, is mickey too arrogant to try to bring everyone with him or is he right...
I feel like Fuzzman asking all these silly questions

so would you say Conan Grugans decision to leave the county squad was vindicated? Not going by what I saw on 2 consecutive sundays in Dungannon a few weeks back...he looked a pale shadow of the player he seemed to be developing into, a few years ago...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 23, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
Conan Grugan did alright against clonoe, it wasn't one of his best performances. Johnny Munroe had a stinker against Greencastle,  doesn't make him a bad player. How have the current county starters and panellists done for their clubs this year. Paudi mc nulty, aiden mc crory, Richie donnelly, mc aliskey among others. Very easy to right someone off on the basis of one performance. Do you feel Barry Tierney has improved as a footballer sitting on the county bench for the past 3 years
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 23, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 23, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
Conan Grugan did alright against clonoe, it wasn't one of his best performances. Johnny Munroe had a stinker against Greencastle,  doesn't make him a bad player. How have the current county starters and panellists done for their clubs this year. Paudi mc nulty, aiden mc crory, Richie donnelly, mc aliskey among others. Very easy to right someone off on the basis of one performance. Do you feel Barry Tierney has improved as a footballer sitting on the county bench for the past 3 years

Prime example. Barry Tierney was incredible at CHB for Omagh and nearly single handed Won Omagh their championship that year with his Goals from running from deep. Que MH an Tyrone, play him in Corner Back against O'Donaghue and he gets toasted and ripped apart for his performance in a position he wasn't used to

The Big fella from Dungannon got his call up for his out an out Full Forward performances. Was he played here or expected to chase back in Half Forward?? Same with Conlon Edendork
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jcarter on September 23, 2016, 12:44:56 PM
Rory loughran (bubba) from carrickmore certainly worth a run out in my opinion?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 23, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Had a converstaion recently with a few people -  whose the better player Barry Tierney or Aidan McCrory? I thought Tierney offers far more but was surprised to here arguments for McCrory but when we trashed it out the main reasons these 'pundits' didn't fancy tierney was the roasting o'donaghue gave him in the national league a few years back.

Mickey left him on him the whole day that day when it would have been the right thing to switch him - now Mickey has left him on the scrap heap - I still think he's capable for Tyrone and way better then mccrory.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on September 23, 2016, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 22, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 22, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
good example of this was when conan grugan played a fair few mc kenna cup/league games in chf then come the big championship game against monaghan in clones he was threw into midfield against darrren hughes and dick clerkin. didnt go well and wasnt seen since,2014 think it was.

I get what u are saying about grugan but I'd a thought midfield was his natural position. Anyway he walked from the panel himself, prob knew it wasn't for him. Good players can play anywhere. One dimensional players won't cut it at senior inter county level. Monroe, mcgeary Brennan are a few that can play different positions. U have to patient and keep ure head down and take your chance when it comes. I still chuckle at the Clonoe players who walked that time. Stinking attitude.

For the record sparkly Donnelly got a raw deal the time he was dropped. He was Tyrones best player one year but maybe Harte had his reasons, I'm not sure.

That's the nature of county football, your needed one day but there's always somebody else willing to take your jersey the next
This opinion is incredibly arrogant. Here we have people criticising players for walking away from the county set up while praising those who hang about just to make up the numbers. I don't believe Kieran Mc Geary Rory Brennan or Johnny Munroe are better players than Conan Grugan but because he has decided that he needed time away to try to become a better player and needed regular competitive football he is being criticised. Is Conan Grugan better than Paudi Mc Nulty, Kieran Mc Geary, Aiden Mc Crory Richie Donnelly Barry Tierney... some will say he is others will say he isn't, just as Ardboe are glad Shay mc guigan and Coney left ,Eglish are glad the Mc Kennas left, Omagh are glad Conan Grugan left a set up which he obviously wasn't in love with to become club captain. Just because someone is on the county panel does not make them a better player than someone not on the county panel. Its all about opinions... Is Mc Curry better than Leo Meenan in 2012 or Eoin Mc Cusker in 2012. While you have your wee chuckle at the clonoe players who walked do you believe PJ Lavery or Collie Doris aren't county standard. Tyrone need every player of that level available for selection. Would it be possible that some of this may be Mickey Hartes fault

A wise man once told me anyone can manage a committed player but only the great managers can bring the talented less committed players along with the rest, is mickey too arrogant to try to bring everyone with him or is he right...
I feel like Fuzzman asking all these silly questions

Good/interesting post

Quote from: ose 14 on September 23, 2016, 07:09:01 AM
in hiding some great points. if you take that one step further the chosen few at underage level are committed by association by being picked, the ones that are dropped are not. Not good enough apparently. kerry have 120 in their underage dev squads tyrone 35ish are we better at picking the select 40 earlier than the kerry men, id doubt it. we are wasting too much doe at the top of the pyramid. football remains a very subjective selector and it shouldnt be. garvaghey is turning into waco. siege mentality, were the chosen ones , hoping for the second coming of sam. total fiction.


;D ;D ;D ;D   Waco , #ackward laugh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 23, 2016, 05:44:09 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 22, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 22, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
good example of this was when conan grugan played a fair few mc kenna cup/league games in chf then come the big championship game against monaghan in clones he was threw into midfield against darrren hughes and dick clerkin. didnt go well and wasnt seen since,2014 think it was.

I get what u are saying about grugan but I'd a thought midfield was his natural position. Anyway he walked from the panel himself, prob knew it wasn't for him. Good players can play anywhere. One dimensional players won't cut it at senior inter county level. Monroe, mcgeary Brennan are a few that can play different positions. U have to patient and keep ure head down and take your chance when it comes. I still chuckle at the Clonoe players who walked that time. Stinking attitude.

For the record sparkly Donnelly got a raw deal the time he was dropped. He was Tyrones best player one year but maybe Harte had his reasons, I'm not sure.

That's the nature of county football, your needed one day but there's always somebody else willing to take your jersey the next
This opinion is incredibly arrogant. Here we have people criticising players for walking away from the county set up while praising those who hang about just to make up the numbers. I don't believe Kieran Mc Geary Rory Brennan or Johnny Munroe are better players than Conan Grugan but because he has decided that he needed time away to try to become a better player and needed regular competitive football he is being criticised. Is Conan Grugan better than Paudi Mc Nulty, Kieran Mc Geary, Aiden Mc Crory Richie Donnelly Barry Tierney... some will say he is others will say he isn't, just as Ardboe are glad Shay mc guigan and Coney left ,Eglish are glad the Mc Kennas left, Omagh are glad Conan Grugan left a set up which he obviously wasn't in love with to become club captain. Just because someone is on the county panel does not make them a better player than someone not on the county panel. Its all about opinions... Is Mc Curry better than Leo Meenan in 2012 or Eoin Mc Cusker in 2012. While you have your wee chuckle at the clonoe players who walked do you believe PJ Lavery or Collie Doris aren't county standard. Tyrone need every player of that level available for selection. Would it be possible that some of this may be Mickey Hartes fault

A wise man once told me anyone can manage a committed player but only the great managers can bring the talented less committed players along with the rest, is mickey too arrogant to try to bring everyone with him or is he right...
I feel like Fuzzman asking all these silly questions

Maybe I should clarify the remark on Clonoe players leaving that time. It was s few weeks before the first round of Ulster, that's what made it so bad. U don't walk out on your team just because u aren't getting a start not at that time of year.

Are pj and Coly good enough for Tyrone. Pj yes fringe player. Colly not good enough. To slow. Grt club player thou.

Some one mentioned Barry tierney was " incredible" for Omagh at chb  but played out of position in the corner and tore to shreds against kerry. Barry is good squad player at the minute hopefully he keeps improving but he is prone to doing stupid mistakes. But Harte sees something in him and good luck Barry

Big Quinn was tryed out at full forward line and no good.
Contrary to what a few people think this is top end county football here. We are Ulster champs and hartes record speaks for itself.Mickey def doesn't have the time to give coney, crugan,pj and co cuddles  after training if they aren't going well. You either knuckle down do what your told and try your best. If it's good enough fair play and ure kept. If it's not, your out and someone else is in. That's what makes Harte sucessful.Maybe Jim gavin, Cody, mcguiness etc do it different but I doubt it.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on September 23, 2016, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 23, 2016, 05:44:09 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 22, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 22, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2016, 11:09:13 PM
good example of this was when conan grugan played a fair few mc kenna cup/league games in chf then come the big championship game against monaghan in clones he was threw into midfield against darrren hughes and dick clerkin. didnt go well and wasnt seen since,2014 think it was.

I get what u are saying about grugan but I'd a thought midfield was his natural position. Anyway he walked from the panel himself, prob knew it wasn't for him. Good players can play anywhere. One dimensional players won't cut it at senior inter county level. Monroe, mcgeary Brennan are a few that can play different positions. U have to patient and keep ure head down and take your chance when it comes. I still chuckle at the Clonoe players who walked that time. Stinking attitude.

For the record sparkly Donnelly got a raw deal the time he was dropped. He was Tyrones best player one year but maybe Harte had his reasons, I'm not sure.

That's the nature of county football, your needed one day but there's always somebody else willing to take your jersey the next
This opinion is incredibly arrogant. Here we have people criticising players for walking away from the county set up while praising those who hang about just to make up the numbers. I don't believe Kieran Mc Geary Rory Brennan or Johnny Munroe are better players than Conan Grugan but because he has decided that he needed time away to try to become a better player and needed regular competitive football he is being criticised. Is Conan Grugan better than Paudi Mc Nulty, Kieran Mc Geary, Aiden Mc Crory Richie Donnelly Barry Tierney... some will say he is others will say he isn't, just as Ardboe are glad Shay mc guigan and Coney left ,Eglish are glad the Mc Kennas left, Omagh are glad Conan Grugan left a set up which he obviously wasn't in love with to become club captain. Just because someone is on the county panel does not make them a better player than someone not on the county panel. Its all about opinions... Is Mc Curry better than Leo Meenan in 2012 or Eoin Mc Cusker in 2012. While you have your wee chuckle at the clonoe players who walked do you believe PJ Lavery or Collie Doris aren't county standard. Tyrone need every player of that level available for selection. Would it be possible that some of this may be Mickey Hartes fault

A wise man once told me anyone can manage a committed player but only the great managers can bring the talented less committed players along with the rest, is mickey too arrogant to try to bring everyone with him or is he right...
I feel like Fuzzman asking all these silly questions

Maybe I should clarify the remark on Clonoe players leaving that time. It was s few weeks before the first round of Ulster, that's what made it so bad. U don't walk out on your team just because u aren't getting a start not at that time of year.

Are pj and Coly good enough for Tyrone. Pj yes fringe player. Colly not good enough. To slow. Grt club player thou.

Some one mentioned Barry tierney was " incredible" for Omagh at chb  but played out of position in the corner and tore to shreds against kerry. Barry is good squad player at the minute hopefully he keeps improving but he is prone to doing stupid mistakes. But Harte sees something in him and good luck Barry

Big Quinn was tryed out at full forward line and no good.
Contrary to what a few people think this is top end county football here. We are Ulster champs and hartes record speaks for itself.Mickey def doesn't have the time to give coney, crugan,pj and co cuddles  after training if they aren't going well. You either knuckle down do what your told and try your best. If it's good enough fair play and ure kept. If it's not, your out and someone else is in. That's what makes Harte sucessful.Maybe Jim gavin, Cody, mcguiness etc do it different but I doubt it.

You talk some thrash.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 24, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
seen our ulster allstar full back got some roasting last night. maybe its 3 fullbacks we need not 3 forwards. imagine if mark bradley had of been marking a defender of mccarrons quality from mayo dromore would still be in the championship and so might tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 24, 2016, 08:16:03 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 23, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 23, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
Conan Grugan did alright against clonoe, it wasn't one of his best performances. Johnny Munroe had a stinker against Greencastle,  doesn't make him a bad player. How have the current county starters and panellists done for their clubs this year. Paudi mc nulty, aiden mc crory, Richie donnelly, mc aliskey among others. Very easy to right someone off on the basis of one performance. Do you feel Barry Tierney has improved as a footballer sitting on the county bench for the past 3 years

Prime example. Barry Tierney was incredible at CHB for Omagh and nearly single handed Won Omagh their championship that year with his Goals from running from deep. Que MH an Tyrone, play him in Corner Back against O'Donaghue and he gets toasted and ripped apart for his performance in a position he wasn't used to

The Big fella from Dungannon got his call up for his out an out Full Forward performances. Was he played here or expected to chase back in Half Forward?? Same with Conlon Edendork

Your timing slightly out on Tierney - he got the roasting in the league in 2014 and won the championship later that year with omagh. I think he may have got a got run at half back then in 2015 more or less based on his exploits with omagh 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 24, 2016, 04:29:04 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 23, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 23, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
Conan Grugan did alright against clonoe, it wasn't one of his best performances. Johnny Munroe had a stinker against Greencastle,  doesn't make him a bad player. How have the current county starters and panellists done for their clubs this year. Paudi mc nulty, aiden mc crory, Richie donnelly, mc aliskey among others. Very easy to right someone off on the basis of one performance. Do you feel Barry Tierney has improved as a footballer sitting on the county bench for the past 3 years

Prime example. Barry Tierney was incredible at CHB for Omagh and nearly single handed Won Omagh their championship that year with his Goals from running from deep. Que MH an Tyrone, play him in Corner Back against O'Donaghue and he gets toasted and ripped apart for his performance in a position he wasn't used to

The Big fella from Dungannon got his call up for his out an out Full Forward performances. Was he played here or expected to chase back in Half Forward?? Same with Conlon Edendork

Tierney got roasted by O'Donoghue before starring for Omagh in their Championship win - not after.

If you're going to try and pedal an agenda then at least have your facts right.

We don't really have too many natural options at full back unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 24, 2016, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 24, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
seen our ulster allstar full back got some roasting last night. maybe its 3 fullbacks we need not 3 forwards. imagine if mark bradley had of been marking a defender of mccarrons quality from mayo dromore would still be in the championship and so might tyrone.
That is both corner backs Bradley has roasted in the championship. He is worth the admission fee.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 24, 2016, 11:34:12 PM
mickey harte wouldnt know what to do with a good forward if he came up and punched him in the nose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 25, 2016, 12:34:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 24, 2016, 11:34:12 PM
mickey harte wouldnt know what to do with a good forward if he came up and punched him in the nose.

He would... he'd play him sweeper  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 25, 2016, 09:59:03 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 25, 2016, 12:34:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 24, 2016, 11:34:12 PM
mickey harte wouldnt know what to do with a good forward if he came up and punched him in the nose.

He would... he'd play him sweeper  :o

Or maybe he hasn't seen one he can trust to deliver since Canavan, etc, and is overcompensating.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Uncle Kev on September 25, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
Let's hope big Dan can deliver today ! He's the man Tyrone need in full forward! He can score goals and what do goals do? ; they count in tight matches ! You always hear it said "the goal was the difference" Come on Daniel , get yourself into shape and become Tyrones new Messiah .Tight game ahead today in the marshes of Edendork !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on September 26, 2016, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on September 25, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
Let's hope big Dan can deliver today ! He's the man Tyrone need in full forward! He can score goals and what do goals do? ; they count in tight matches ! You always hear it said "the goal was the difference" Come on Daniel , get yourself into shape and become Tyrones new Messiah .Tight game ahead today in the marshes of Edendork !

A tad dramatic. You have a bit to drink at the weekend Kev?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 26, 2016, 09:55:28 AM
Wasn't at the game - how did big dan the man with the plan do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 26, 2016, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: EastTyrone on September 26, 2016, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: Uncle Kev on September 25, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
Let's hope big Dan can deliver today ! He's the man Tyrone need in full forward! He can score goals and what do goals do? ; they count in tight matches ! You always hear it said "the goal was the difference" Come on Daniel , get yourself into shape and become Tyrones new Messiah .Tight game ahead today in the marshes of Edendork !

A tad dramatic. You have a bit to drink at the weekend Kev?

He was out Saturday night wining and dining the chairwoman
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on September 26, 2016, 10:26:03 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 26, 2016, 09:55:28 AM
Wasn't at the game - how did big dan the man with the plan do?

No real impact apart from free kicks..Hampsey pretty much marked him out of it from play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 26, 2016, 01:15:04 PM
Let sparky play corner for Tyrone and play him the ball,,scores will surely come....simple me thinks!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 26, 2016, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: Helpline on September 26, 2016, 01:15:04 PM
Let sparky play corner for Tyrone and play him the ball,,scores will surely come....simple me thinks!

But whose going to defend you mad man????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on September 26, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 26, 2016, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: Helpline on September 26, 2016, 01:15:04 PM
Let sparky play corner for Tyrone and play him the ball,,scores will surely come....simple me thinks!

But whose going to defend you mad man????
Defenders.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 28, 2016, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: Helpline on September 26, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 26, 2016, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: Helpline on September 26, 2016, 01:15:04 PM
Let sparky play corner for Tyrone and play him the ball,,scores will surely come....simple me thinks!

But whose going to defend you mad man????
Defenders.

I agree my comment was tongue in cheek!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 03, 2016, 12:15:23 PM
Great performance again by Mayo yesterday and showed us how we maybe underestimate them in Tyrone a bit each time we play them.

Yes they fail to get over the line again but I think they were very good defensively against top forwards and held most of them very well as they defended well against us too.
Again Rock and C.O'Connor were the important score getters mainly from frees and couldn't help but think how we would have faired in that dept had we have been there.

The RTE panel named Mattie in their team of the year. I thought Petey might get named in the half forward line.
Do people think we've got better forwards than Mayo? Would we have scored more from play yesterday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on October 03, 2016, 01:10:00 PM
I hope the one thing that Tyrone would take out of watching Mayo take on the Dubs is that their forwards can be marked. The 14 man defence does not need to be maintained in 2017. Then we might see if Tyrone have the forwards to challenge or not.......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 06, 2016, 11:45:51 PM
i think we have potentially much better all round forwards than mayo but only if the system allows them to play. interestin to see mattie mc gleenan win his 3rd county title in 4 yrs with scotstown. surely we need to be approaching this man and get him lined up at the end of next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 07, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Mattie on his way to Cavan is the word on the street.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 07, 2016, 05:50:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 06, 2016, 11:45:51 PM
i think we have potentially much better all round forwards than mayo but only if the system allows them to play. interestin to see mattie mc gleenan win his 3rd county title in 4 yrs with scotstown. surely we need to be approaching this man and get him lined up at the end of next year?

I'd agree with this, we have more natural scores there in the likes of O'Neill, McAliskey, Brennan, McCurry, Bradley etc but I think these guys struggle because our attack lacks a physical focal point in there. I don't think Cavanagh likes being in there and I think he has much more influence when he comes out the field - so that's why we need to look at our options for someone to be that focal point, a foil for the scorers to feed off and someone that can vary our attacking play up.

I wouldn't mind seeing something like. As much as some of the pessimists will say, we're not far off, we lost the Mayo game on tight margins and Mayo probably should have beaten Dublin, we had the beating of Kerry in our own hands the prior year but fluffed it.

In essence I would say we should line out something like this next year:

----------------------------Morgan

Hampsey-----------------McNamee---------------McCarron

--------------------------C Cavanagh-----------------------

T McCann-----------------R Brennan------------K McGeary

-------------------S Cavanagh------Mattie

McAliskey------------------Sludden----------------Harte

-----------------N McKenna-------McCurry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on October 07, 2016, 05:53:10 PM
Sparky Bradley should be starting corner forward hands down! Has been untouchable in the club championship this year and tore apart 2 of our starting county defenders!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on October 07, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 07, 2016, 05:50:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 06, 2016, 11:45:51 PM
i think we have potentially much better all round forwards than mayo but only if the system allows them to play. interestin to see mattie mc gleenan win his 3rd county title in 4 yrs with scotstown. surely we need to be approaching this man and get him lined up at the end of next year?

I'd agree with this, we have more natural scores there in the likes of O'Neill, McAliskey, Brennan, McCurry, Bradley etc but I think these guys struggle because our attack lacks a physical focal point in there. I don't think Cavanagh likes being in there and I think he has much more influence when he comes out the field - so that's why we need to look at our options for someone to be that focal point, a foil for the scorers to feed off and someone that can vary our attacking play up.

I wouldn't mind seeing something like. As much as some of the pessimists will say, we're not far off, we lost the Mayo game on tight margins and Mayo probably should have beaten Dublin, we had the beating of Kerry in our own hands the prior year but fluffed it.

In essence I would say we should line out something like this next year:

----------------------------Morgan

Hampsey-----------------McNamee---------------McCarron

--------------------------C Cavanagh-----------------------

T McCann-----------------R Brennan------------K McGeary

-------------------S Cavanagh------Mattie

McAliskey------------------Sludden----------------Harte

-----------------N McKenna-------McCurry
My preferred team would be:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Paudie Hampsey
3. Ronan McNammee
4. Cathal McCarron
5. Rory Brennan
6. Ronan McNabb
7. Tiernan McCann
8. Colm Cavanagh (Sweeper role)
9. Mattie Donnelly
10. Niall Sludden
11. Peter Harte
12. Frank Burns
13. Lee Brennan
14. Dan McNulty
15. Mark Bradley

Sub Options:
Sean Cavanagh, Conor Meyler, Conor McAliskey, Darren McCurry, Richard Donnelly, HP McGeary, Kieran McGeary, Johnny Munroe, Cathal McShane, Justin McMahon.
Players i'd like to be brought into panel:
Danny Gorman, Dan McNulty, Ruairi Sludden, Michael McKernan, Shea Hamill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on October 07, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
We can debate starting 15's til the cows come home but can't see any major changes next year bar 1 or2 forward positions dictated on weather cavanagh gives it another year

mayo highlighted we need a forward that can score 3-4 points from play against quality sides, and S Cavanagh is the only man consistently can do it and at a push McCurry, this is where the difference is between the top 2-3 teams.

also another point is in 2013 and 2015 in the two semi-finals Tyrone marched into them matched on the back of a very big siege mentality - 2013 the uproar over the cavanagh tackle against monaghan in the quarters and the penrose and gormley yellow and red cards and 2015 - the rte bias and the tiernan mccann bitchfest and they couldn't get over it even with the biggest chips on their shoulder, and compare to this year, although only beaten by a point by a mayo team with no forwards, the performance was very flat after the hype machine of the ulster final and two wonder scores to win it in injury time.

Realistically in the next 1-2 years (given harte is manager) they need to push to an all-ireland final and win ulster again but this will the most I think we will get out of this team unless a top consistent forward comes to the fore
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 07, 2016, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on October 07, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
We can debate starting 15's til the cows come home but can't see any major changes next year bar 1 or2 forward positions dictated on weather cavanagh gives it another year

mayo highlighted we need a forward that can score 3-4 points from play against quality sides, and S Cavanagh is the only man consistently can do it and at a push McCurry, this is where the difference is between the top 2-3 teams.

also another point is in 2013 and 2015 in the two semi-finals Tyrone marched into them matched on the back of a very big siege mentality - 2013 the uproar over the cavanagh tackle against monaghan in the quarters and the penrose and gormley yellow and red cards and 2015 - the rte bias and the tiernan mccann bitchfest and they couldn't get over it even with the biggest chips on their shoulder, and compare to this year, although only beaten by a point by a mayo team with no forwards, the performance was very flat after the hype machine of the ulster final and two wonder scores to win it in injury time.

Realistically in the next 1-2 years (given harte is manager) they need to push to an all-ireland final and win ulster again but this will the most I think we will get out of this team unless a top consistent forward comes to the fore
A top consistent forward !!! Seriously ?
As mentioned before a top forward is useless given the system tyrone play. This top forward will be marked by two or possibly three defenders, then has to win his own ball (usually in the corner) where all he can do is recycle the ball back out for someone else to shoot. We can argue all we want the pros and cons of the way gavin devlin makes tyrone play, but don't be silly enough to believe that a good forward would make a difference
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 07, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 07, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Mattie on his way to Cavan is the word on the street.
would be a real shame if we let him away. he is deffo the man we are crying out for to take us forward. i love his tactics with scotstown, no sweepers, kick the ball, go man to man in an offensive minded gameplan. mattie is just the type of culture change we need in tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 07, 2016, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 07, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 07, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Mattie on his way to Cavan is the word on the street.
would be a real shame if we let him away. he is deffo the man we are crying out for to take us forward. i love his tactics with scotstown, no sweepers, kick the ball, go man to man in an offensive minded gameplan. mattie is just the type of culture change we need in tyrone.
Mattie would you wise up 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on October 07, 2016, 11:37:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on October 07, 2016, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 07, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 07, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Mattie on his way to Cavan is the word on the street.
would be a real shame if we let him away. he is deffo the man we are crying out for to take us forward. i love his tactics with scotstown, no sweepers, kick the ball, go man to man in an offensive minded gameplan. mattie is just the type of culture change we need in tyrone.
Mattie would you wise up 😂😂😂

If you couldn't win a championship with That Scotstown team you would be safer giving it up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on October 08, 2016, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: In hiding on October 07, 2016, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on October 07, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
We can debate starting 15's til the cows come home but can't see any major changes next year bar 1 or2 forward positions dictated on weather cavanagh gives it another year

mayo highlighted we need a forward that can score 3-4 points from play against quality sides, and S Cavanagh is the only man consistently can do it and at a push McCurry, this is where the difference is between the top 2-3 teams.

also another point is in 2013 and 2015 in the two semi-finals Tyrone marched into them matched on the back of a very big siege mentality - 2013 the uproar over the cavanagh tackle against monaghan in the quarters and the penrose and gormley yellow and red cards and 2015 - the rte bias and the tiernan mccann bitchfest and they couldn't get over it even with the biggest chips on their shoulder, and compare to this year, although only beaten by a point by a mayo team with no forwards, the performance was very flat after the hype machine of the ulster final and two wonder scores to win it in injury time.

Realistically in the next 1-2 years (given harte is manager) they need to push to an all-ireland final and win ulster again but this will the most I think we will get out of this team unless a top consistent forward comes to the fore
A top consistent forward !!! Seriously ?
As mentioned before a top forward is useless given the system tyrone play. This top forward will be marked by two or possibly three defenders, then has to win his own ball (usually in the corner) where all he can do is recycle the ball back out for someone else to shoot. We can argue all we want the pros and cons of the way gavin devlin makes tyrone play, but don't be silly enough to believe that a good forward would make a difference


Doubt your concussed chief, Canavagh - 3points from play - ulster title, costello (although hasn't proven himself)- 3points from play - All-Ireland title, P Geany Kerry, 2-3 points in semi-final and pushed dublin all the way, Conor McManus - do monaghan win ulster titles without him?, Paddy McBearty etc etc these guys make the difference   

Currently we have no forwards to really worry top opposition and therefore the lethargic buildup play and wait to Harte, Donnelly or cavanagh comes on a burst, a top forward inside would force tyrone to move the ball quicker and stretch the opposition  but on a side note would start lee brennan and carry him for a few years just for the frees 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 08, 2016, 08:00:00 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on October 08, 2016, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: In hiding on October 07, 2016, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on October 07, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
We can debate starting 15's til the cows come home but can't see any major changes next year bar 1 or2 forward positions dictated on weather cavanagh gives it another year

mayo highlighted we need a forward that can score 3-4 points from play against quality sides, and S Cavanagh is the only man consistently can do it and at a push McCurry, this is where the difference is between the top 2-3 teams.

also another point is in 2013 and 2015 in the two semi-finals Tyrone marched into them matched on the back of a very big siege mentality - 2013 the uproar over the cavanagh tackle against monaghan in the quarters and the penrose and gormley yellow and red cards and 2015 - the rte bias and the tiernan mccann bitchfest and they couldn't get over it even with the biggest chips on their shoulder, and compare to this year, although only beaten by a point by a mayo team with no forwards, the performance was very flat after the hype machine of the ulster final and two wonder scores to win it in injury time.

Realistically in the next 1-2 years (given harte is manager) they need to push to an all-ireland final and win ulster again but this will the most I think we will get out of this team unless a top consistent forward comes to the fore
A top consistent forward !!! Seriously ?
As mentioned before a top forward is useless given the system tyrone play. This top forward will be marked by two or possibly three defenders, then has to win his own ball (usually in the corner) where all he can do is recycle the ball back out for someone else to shoot. We can argue all we want the pros and cons of the way gavin devlin makes tyrone play, but don't be silly enough to believe that a good forward would make a difference


Doubt your concussed chief, Canavagh - 3points from play - ulster title, costello (although hasn't proven himself)- 3points from play - All-Ireland title, P Geany Kerry, 2-3 points in semi-final and pushed dublin all the way, Conor McManus - do monaghan win ulster titles without him?, Paddy McBearty etc etc these guys make the difference   

Currently we have no forwards to really worry top opposition and therefore the lethargic buildup play and wait to Harte, Donnelly or cavanagh comes on a burst, a top forward inside would force tyrone to move the ball quicker and stretch the opposition  but on a side note would start lee brennan and carry him for a few years just for the frees
Whatever you say chief !!!
Cormac Costello scored 3 points all year btw. You tell us Tyrone don't have a top consistent forward and then you say sean cavanagh is a top consistent forward ???
Can you read ?
Give my post another go
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 11, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
mc gleenan away to cavan anyway. mickeys possible successors are droppin like flys. [m o'rourke gone too]. wouldnt be surprised if mark harte gets the job.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 12, 2016, 11:29:21 AM
I wouldn't joke at that ........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on October 12, 2016, 11:52:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 11, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
mc gleenan away to cavan anyway. mickeys possible successors are droppin like flys. [m o'rourke gone too]. wouldnt be surprised if mark harte gets the job.lol

Any word on who all going along with Mattie in Cavan? Peter Reilly mentioned. Dont know if its true or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 12, 2016, 08:45:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 11, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
mc gleenan away to cavan anyway. mickeys possible successors are droppin like flys. [m o'rourke gone too]. wouldnt be surprised if mark harte gets the job.lol


Gone where ye clown. To Cavan? I'm pretty sure if he was asked to take Tyrone job he would. He's not contractually bound
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 13, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 12, 2016, 08:45:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 11, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
mc gleenan away to cavan anyway. mickeys possible successors are droppin like flys. [m o'rourke gone too]. wouldnt be surprised if mark harte gets the job.lol


Gone where ye clown. To Cavan? I'm pretty sure if he was asked to take Tyrone job he would. He's not contractually bound
is ur post in reply to mine? who u callin a clown?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 13, 2016, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 07, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Mattie on his way to Cavan is the word on the street.

Great draw for Mattie. Manage to bate Monaghan and he's in an Ulster Final

Also love the way he sets up with Scotstown. Seriously unlucky not to win Ulster last year v Cross. Best game of Football I think I've ever witnessed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 13, 2016, 11:09:18 PM
The bottom half of the draw is well set up for Armagh, they should beat an atrocious Down side and will be coming in under the radar against a side who will already have had to put at least one big performance in to get to the semi. It's a very tough draw for Monaghan and I think they will slip up somewhere down the line.

We should handle a depleted Derry without much fuss and the Donegal game is the big one. It will be interesting to see how much Gallagher shakes up the Donegal squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on October 13, 2016, 11:24:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 13, 2016, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 07, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Mattie on his way to Cavan is the word on the street.

Great draw for Mattie. Manage to bate Monaghan and he's in an Ulster Final

Also love the way he sets up with Scotstown. Seriously unlucky not to win Ulster last year v Cross. Best game of Football I think I've ever witnessed
I'm wile curious to know. How do you believe Scotstown "set up"?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on October 14, 2016, 11:28:27 AM
Few scotstown men aren't to happy that Mattie announced this week his move to Cavan, they don't know where that leaves them..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: keepherlit on October 14, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
Quote from: leenie on October 14, 2016, 11:28:27 AM
Few scotstown men aren't to happy that Mattie announced this week his move to Cavan, they don't know where that leaves them..

Aren't 2 happy, 3 Monaghan Senior Championships! It leaves them looking for a new manager I'd guess.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 14, 2016, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 07, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 07, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Mattie on his way to Cavan is the word on the street.
would be a real shame if we let him away. he is deffo the man we are crying out for to take us forward. i love his tactics with scotstown, no sweepers, kick the ball, go man to man in an offensive minded gameplan. mattie is just the type of culture change we need in tyrone.

To Quote Southtyronegael
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on October 14, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 14, 2016, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 07, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 07, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Mattie on his way to Cavan is the word on the street.
would be a real shame if we let him away. he is deffo the man we are crying out for to take us forward. i love his tactics with scotstown, no sweepers, kick the ball, go man to man in an offensive minded gameplan. mattie is just the type of culture change we need in tyrone.

To Quote Southtyronegael

Lads, don't be fooled. Scotstown get plenty behind the ball when they lose it but kick it quick when in possession. Still very defensive when opposition have the ball but good when they turn you over. As someone else said earlier in this thread, they are by far the no.1 team in Monaghan with an abundance of county players at all levels so should be in contention every year - that is why they don't need to play with a sweeper in vast majority of games..... In saying that, Mattie has delivered when it has counted so kudos for that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on October 14, 2016, 11:41:42 PM
Scotstown have been very succesful under matt. He must get credit for that. However if anyone thinks Scotstown play some kind of 15 v 15 game then they either haven't seem them in big games and/or just believe what matt tells the papers. Indeed club boi reckons last year's ulster club final was the best game he had ever seen. Scotstown had two defenders lined out at centre half forward and corner forward that day. Don't believe all you read.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 14, 2016, 11:50:58 PM
Numbers mean nothing these days. You can't disagree the Ulster Final was an end to end fascinating game of football

He also has the b@lls to make Big Calls like making K Hughes mark his full forward mate at the time Mc Manus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2016, 09:43:31 AM
Since Tyrone lost to Mayo we've had the usual anti Harte stuff on here and over the top reaction to a defeat. A picture has been painted that Tyrone play a highly defensive game with no attacking play. But as usual this was only based on the last game or two and everything before ignored.

In the four games before the Ulster final Tyrone scored:
1 17 v Cavan in the league final
3 14 up in Derry in Ulster
0 16 v Cavan in Ulster semi
5 18 v Cavan in replay

In the Ulster final Tyrone had to do whatever it took to get past a Donegal team that really hard to play against and have had the upper hand for a number of years. 13 points was a lot more than many others managed against them in recent years. That Ulster title was very important for most of the team to get their hands on a first senior championship medal.

I was as disappointed as anyone in relation to the Mayo game. I thought out mindset was too negative. Maybe after a year in division 2 the team struggled with the athleticism of a real top team but I do think we should have left more forwards up and ronan O'Neill isolated was a bad call.

Hopefully next season in division one and the confidence of Ulster title can bring the team on further and really challenge. Getting a forward or two to step us is still going to be the big issue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 15, 2016, 12:02:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 15, 2016, 09:43:31 AM
Since Tyrone lost to Mayo we've had the usual anti Harte stuff on here and over the top reaction to a defeat. A picture has been painted that Tyrone play a highly defensive game with no attacking play. But as usual this was only based on the last game or two and everything before ignored.

In the four games before the Ulster final Tyrone scored:
1 17 v Cavan in the league final
3 14 up in Derry in Ulster
0 16 v Cavan in Ulster semi
5 18 v Cavan in replay

In the Ulster final Tyrone had to do whatever it took to get past a Donegal team that really hard to play against and have had the upper hand for a number of years. 13 points was a lot more than many others managed against them in recent years. That Ulster title was very important for most of the team to get their hands on a first senior championship medal.

I was as disappointed as anyone in relation to the Mayo game. I thought out mindset was too negative. Maybe after a year in division 2 the team struggled with the athleticism of a real top team but I do think we should have left more forwards up and ronan O'Neill isolated was a bad call.

Hopefully next season in division one and the confidence of Ulster title can bring the team on further and really challenge. Getting a forward or two to step us is still going to be the big issue.

Good post.

I've said before the margins for us to win an All Ireland from where we are now is very small. If we had a reliable free taker we'd probably be in two successive All Ireland finals by now, we're close to where we need to be and we just have a couple of tweaks to make to the team - overcoming the free issue and finding a good inside target man are the two that I think will make us All Ireland Champions. We can win an All Ireland playing the type of football we are. As the games between Mayo, Tyrone, Dublin and Kerry showed this year - there is not a lot between the teams and the games can be decided on small incidents.

Dublin scored 2-09 against Mayo in the first final, two of which were own goals. They scored 1-15 in a replay, a goal of which came out my a completely inexplicable goalkeeping meltdown under no pressure. Sometimes the bits of luck go against you, sometimes they go for you. We got 12 points against Mayo, take away the fortune element and it's not far off from where we need to be. Other than those fortunate goals Dublin got, Mayo were very solid at the back.

We have a good base where we are right now, we don't need major restructuring to win an All Ireland, we just need the small adjustments - whether we can implement those effectively is the task that Harte has in front of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on October 15, 2016, 02:48:42 PM
Margins very slim indeed. If McAliskey hit the net instead of hitting Clarke we'd have made the final. Hoping a year in division 1 with a slightly more attacking focus will serve us well if we manage to meet one of the big guns in Croker later in the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on October 18, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
Cathal Mccarron going to be on the late late show on Friday night, I wonder whether this will go down well with Mickey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 18, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
I am sure Cathal is a big boy who decides his own appearances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on October 18, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 18, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
I am sure Cathal is a big boy who decides his own appearances.

I'm sure you'd agree cathals previous decisions have been questionable.  Anyway we'll see what micky thinks of if come football time in the new year.

I'd imagine if the players are allowed to talk to rte like we have constantly been told then cathal will keep his place and other player will follow suit therefore ending the stand off...... here's hoping .... well the sponsors are hoping anyway  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 18, 2016, 06:09:33 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.

Good Run = More Interview Possibilities = More Advertising Opportunities
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.

+1

The sponsors should be concerned with how results are on the pitch if they are seeking some benefit of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on October 18, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.

I didn't say they were unhappy but for God's sake it doesn't take a genius to think that they'd rather have their logo shown up close and personnal on the national broadcaster thanot not shown at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 08:06:30 PM
It's shown up 'close and personal' on BBC, sky sports, every newspaper from the Dungannom Observer to the Irish news to the Daily Sport. As I say 30 second interviews on RTE shouldn't force the sponsors' to lose any sleep and supporters to lose their shit over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 08:08:42 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on October 18, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.

I didn't say they were unhappy but for God's sake it doesn't take a genius to think that they'd rather have their logo shown up close and personnal on the national broadcaster thanot not shown at all.

It gets shown up close and personal every time Tyrone play on live TV.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on October 18, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.

+1

The sponsors should be concerned with how results are on the pitch if they are seeking some benefit of it.

lol, you don't really know much about advertising if you don't realise that the interviews are a time for the adverisers logo to have a couple of minutes in a prime staionary position on tv. That's a lot different from in play where you may or may not even notice who is sponsoring a team. On another point it will be very interesting to see how mccarron is treated next year by harte if he does indeed go on the late late show. My sense is that he will get an opportunity to start his mma career sooner than he was expecting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 18, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.

+1

The sponsors should be concerned with how results are on the pitch if they are seeking some benefit of it.

lol, you don't really know much about advertising if you don't realise that the interviews are a time for the adverisers logo to have a couple of minutes in a prime staionary position on tv. That's a lot different from in play where you may or may not even notice who is sponsoring a team. On another point it will be very interesting to see how mccarron is treated next year by harte if he does indeed go on the late late show. My sense is that he will get an opportunity to start his mma career sooner than he was expecting.

What extra business will they get from some farmer in Mayo viewing a sponsor logo when a  manager is interviewed on a Sunday afternoon before or after a game?

I think it is you who fails to understand advertising. McAleer and Rushe are paying Tyrone primarily for association with their team, not getting their logo flashed up for 30 seconds in a pre/post match interview. What they should be concerned about is Tyrone going far in the summer every year and being a serious team who compete in big games, that's all they need to worry about and that's all they will worry about. Spoofers like you should toddle on as when you get ideas above your station you remove all doubt your idiocy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 18, 2016, 08:43:15 PM
I think there's been more talk re McAleer and Rushe because of the 'ban' that there would've been without the ban!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 08:48:35 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHiZQZ5dlsM

With this prime stationery position Elverys got from this Stephen Rochford interview I'm away to buy a load of sports gear.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on October 18, 2016, 08:52:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 18, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.

+1

The sponsors should be concerned with how results are on the pitch if they are seeking some benefit of it.

lol, you don't really know much about advertising if you don't realise that the interviews are a time for the adverisers logo to have a couple of minutes in a prime staionary position on tv. That's a lot different from in play where you may or may not even notice who is sponsoring a team. On another point it will be very interesting to see how mccarron is treated next year by harte if he does indeed go on the late late show. My sense is that he will get an opportunity to start his mma career sooner than he was expecting.

What extra business will they get from some farmer in Mayo viewing a sponsor logo when a  manager is interviewed on a Sunday afternoon before or after a game?

I think it is you who fails to understand advertising. McAleer and Rushe are paying Tyrone primarily for association with their team, not getting their logo flashed up for 30 seconds in a pre/post match interview. What they should be concerned about is Tyrone going far in the summer every year and being a serious team who compete in big games, that's all they need to worry about and that's all they will worry about. Spoofers like you should toddle on as when you get ideas above your station you remove all doubt your idiocy.

https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/08/Capture1.jpg

Must be a lot of mayo farmers flying to abu dhabi then if that's what etihad are spending thousands on for their post match interview advertising.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 08:59:35 PM
Good exposure there. . .

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMt3Cjm5enwuw1sKtXUpcmiYJAnGm6JER30XPHhDdFuadvuR5N)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 18, 2016, 09:11:23 PM
Is that before he took his RTE Man of the Match award?  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 18, 2016, 09:11:23 PM
Is that before he took his RTE Man of the Match award?  :o

Ha forgot about that!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 18, 2016, 09:16:08 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 18, 2016, 09:11:23 PM
Is that before he took his RTE Man of the Match award?  :o

Ha forgot about that!!

lol!   :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 10:47:35 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 18, 2016, 08:52:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 18, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 18, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
I really don't get this nonsense about sponsors' bring unhappy about not being on RTE. Managers don't hold up a big banner with the company logo and tell everyone how to get in touch with McAleer and rushe if they're looking a hotel built. Sponsors get more exposure through a good run on the pitch etc not some poxy 1 minute interview on RTE every few weeks where you mightn't even see the logo.

+1

The sponsors should be concerned with how results are on the pitch if they are seeking some benefit of it.

lol, you don't really know much about advertising if you don't realise that the interviews are a time for the adverisers logo to have a couple of minutes in a prime staionary position on tv. That's a lot different from in play where you may or may not even notice who is sponsoring a team. On another point it will be very interesting to see how mccarron is treated next year by harte if he does indeed go on the late late show. My sense is that he will get an opportunity to start his mma career sooner than he was expecting.

What extra business will they get from some farmer in Mayo viewing a sponsor logo when a  manager is interviewed on a Sunday afternoon before or after a game?

I think it is you who fails to understand advertising. McAleer and Rushe are paying Tyrone primarily for association with their team, not getting their logo flashed up for 30 seconds in a pre/post match interview. What they should be concerned about is Tyrone going far in the summer every year and being a serious team who compete in big games, that's all they need to worry about and that's all they will worry about. Spoofers like you should toddle on as when you get ideas above your station you remove all doubt your idiocy.

https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/08/Capture1.jpg

Must be a lot of mayo farmers flying to abu dhabi then if that's what etihad are spending thousands on for their post match interview advertising.

I don't think McAleer and Rushe are targetting Mayo farmers either.

McAleer and Rushe sponsor Tyrone, they pay money to be associated with the Tyrone team, they don't pay money for 30 second slots on TV - if they wanted that they would go direct to the GAA and RTE. As you seem to be a bit of a simple fellow, I will allow you some time for that to sink in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 18, 2016, 10:56:08 PM
according to irish news mickey harte will be travelling to dublin for mc carrons book launch so im assuming he is aware and ok with him going on late late show?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on October 19, 2016, 07:02:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 18, 2016, 10:56:08 PM
according to irish news mickey harte will be travelling to dublin for mc carrons book launch so im assuming he is aware and ok with him going on late late show?

He must have negotiated a cut of the profits then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on October 19, 2016, 08:39:41 AM
This RTE thing isn't a conspiracy between players, manager, sponsors and the County Board. It's a real and justified boycott by Mickey Harte and those supporting him.

However, like all boycotts especially boycotts against those with an almost monoply it can't be 100%.
RTE are the biggest and strongest formers of public opinion in the Country. It's almost impossible to achieve anything and boycott them 100%.

I don't believe it is the case but if a sponsor tries to put pressure on decision makers in the County Board it's time to dump that sponsor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 19, 2016, 09:58:31 AM
You have to question how much players feel cohersed into this  or really are taking a stand when you see McCarron going on RTE and former players go on as soon as they leave the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 19, 2016, 10:29:50 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 19, 2016, 09:58:31 AM
You have to question how much players feel cohersed into this  or really are taking a stand when you see McCarron going on RTE and former players go on as soon as they leave the panel.
Maybe it is their way of showing they back their manager! You know, like a close knit team would.
Do you really think if Matty Donnelly or Sean Cavanagh did an interview Mickey would kick them off the panel!

If I had a friend banned from (or boycotting) a pub and was out for the night with him I wouldn't head to that pub that night out of solidarity, no coercion involved.  Nothing to stop me going there another night when he is not out with me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 19, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 19, 2016, 10:29:50 AM
Quote from: longballin on October 19, 2016, 09:58:31 AM
You have to question how much players feel cohersed into this  or really are taking a stand when you see McCarron going on RTE and former players go on as soon as they leave the panel.
Maybe it is their way of showing they back their manager! You know, like a close knit team would.
Do you really think if Matty Donnelly or Sean Cavanagh did an interview Mickey would kick them off the panel!

If I had a friend banned from (or boycotting) a pub and was out for the night with him I wouldn't head to that pub that night out of solidarity, no coercion involved.  Nothing to stop me going there another night when he is not out with me.

Shallow enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 19, 2016, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 19, 2016, 09:58:31 AM
You have to question how much players feel cohersed into this  or really are taking a stand when you see McCarron going on RTE and former players go on as soon as they leave the panel.

It's not just Mickey Harte - Tyrone GAA, Sean Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann etc have all had their character and reputations dragged through the mud by RTE in stark contrast to others who have committed similar infringements and have their indiscrestions defended to the hilt. McCarron is only there for his own self interests in promoting his book.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 20, 2016, 09:59:03 PM
tyrone will be dragged through the mud by late late show 2moro. mc carron is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on October 23, 2016, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 20, 2016, 09:59:03 PM
tyrone will be dragged through the mud by late late show 2moro. mc carron is a disgrace.

I've read from the independent that he won't be on the show as the father of the girl he met on tinder complained.  The tinder episode in fairness to him seems to be the only time he actually is an innocent party....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 24, 2016, 11:36:52 PM
thankfully rte have pulled the plug on mc carron.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 25, 2016, 02:12:37 PM
Sounds like Conal McCann had a good Tyrone championship and I see he also scored a 45 last weekend.
Can people see him push his way into the county starting team this year or will he continue to be a squad player.

Would be nice to see Mark Bradley played in nearer the goals and get more scores as I always felt he was wasted playing where he does. Saying that of course he would have a lot less space and maybe 2 or 3 defenders around him.
Can we expect any other players pushing through this year. I think Niall Sludden was our best success story of 2016 although Rory Brennan will be pushing hard for a half back slot next year again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 25, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 25, 2016, 02:12:37 PM
Sounds like Conal McCann had a good Tyrone championship and I see he also scored a 45 last weekend.
Can people see him push his way into the county starting team this year or will he continue to be a squad player.

Would be nice to see Mark Bradley played in nearer the goals and get more scores as I always felt he was wasted playing where he does. Saying that of course he would have a lot less space and maybe 2 or 3 defenders around him.
Can we expect any other players pushing through this year. I think Niall Sludden was our best success story of 2016 although Rory Brennan will be pushing hard for a half back slot next year again.

I'd like to see a forward line of Meyler, Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Bradley, McShane /Cavanagh and Lee Brennan.

Rory Brennan should start next year in a half back line with Tiernan and Petey with MxGeary pushing hard. I'd like to see Padraig Hampsey  given a good run at full back and some role found for Frank Burns who I think is a class act. Interesting to see what shape the team take and being in Div 1 is a massive bonus this coming year compared to last.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 25, 2016, 03:44:13 PM
Yeah that looks an interesting forward line alright but who does that leave out? R.O'Neill, McAliskey, McCurry
Meyler and Richie need to kick on next year and nail down a place. Both look to have huge potential but didn't really deliver it that much last year though Meyler was injured a lot.

I would suspect Mickey will see it important to keep it tight again in Div 1 and get off to a good start and so is why I can't see him playing small skillful forwards in the FF line as they will have no support. Mark Bradley could be named at CF but is more likely to play around the half back/forward lines.

Are people expecting Joe and Justy to call it a day? Sean might not show until after the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 25, 2016, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 25, 2016, 03:44:13 PM
Yeah that looks an interesting forward line alright but who does that leave out? R.O'Neill, McAliskey, McCurry
Meyler and Richie need to kick on next year and nail down a place. Both look to have huge potential but didn't really deliver it that much last year though Meyler was injured a lot.

I would suspect Mickey will see it important to keep it tight again in Div 1 and get off to a good start and so is why I can't see him playing small skillful forwards in the FF line as they will have no support. Mark Bradley could be named at CF but is more likely to play around the half back/forward lines.

Are people expecting Joe and Justy to call it a day? Sean might not show until after the league.

I'd leave out all three but you could still see them doing a bit of damage coming into a game a la Mannion and Costello.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on October 25, 2016, 05:06:24 PM
I have seen Myler play against us twice this year in the championship and last year V Dromore in the c'ship, in other words his last three cship matches for Omagh. He never touched the ball in those three games, thats without exaggeration he went AWOL, a county player?? Haven't a clue what you boys are basing your assessment on that he is senior county c'ship footballer when he can't cut it at club level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on October 25, 2016, 05:55:07 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on October 25, 2016, 05:06:24 PM
I have seen Myler play against us twice this year in the championship and last year V Dromore in the c'ship, in other words his last three cship matches for Omagh. He never touched the ball in those three games, thats without exaggeration he went AWOL, a county player?? Haven't a clue what you boys are basing your assessment on that he is senior county c'ship footballer when he can't cut it at club level.
Had an excellent U21 and Senior year in 2015.
Some of his early performances for the seniors in 2016 were also excellent. The McKenna cup final being a particular highlight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on October 25, 2016, 06:00:13 PM
He had an excellent u21 campaign along with many others. An excellent senior in 2015?? Well your idea of excellence is clearly different to mine. As for the Mc Kenna lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on October 25, 2016, 07:02:11 PM
I thought he added a lot to the tyrone team when introduced in 2015. Maybe just my opinion but id have him on my starting 15 anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 25, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 25, 2016, 07:02:11 PM
I thought he added a lot to the tyrone team when introduced in 2015. Maybe just my opinion but id have him on my starting 15 anyway.

+1 I wouldn't be writing him off on the basis of a couple of under par club performances coming on the back of a season dogged by injuries. We are quick to discard players in this county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 25, 2016, 08:01:27 PM
Is Kavangh from. Errigal progessing. Looked a class act any time I seen him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on October 25, 2016, 09:25:52 PM
Did Frank Burns get any time with the seniors this year? As far as I am aware he was on the panel all year. Thought he looked like the standout potential senior from the AI u-21 win.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 25, 2016, 09:31:29 PM
Was Conner Meyler not injured most of the year and only back around club champioship time...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on October 25, 2016, 11:22:33 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2016, 09:31:29 PM
Was Conner Meyler not injured most of the year and only back around club champioship time...

His first game available after long term injury was the QF against Mayo. Even county players take a while to get back into the swing of things. Personally, I thought he looked excellent for us in 2015 and would hope he'd get a good shot at a HF role next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on October 25, 2016, 11:42:39 PM
Personally id have Frank Burns and Niall Sludden as my two wing forwards but I would have meyler as one of my first subs and ahead of McGeary, Richie and McShane as my wing forward option.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 26, 2016, 07:21:48 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 25, 2016, 09:25:52 PM
Did Frank Burns get any time with the seniors this year? As far as I am aware he was on the panel all year. Thought he looked like the standout potential senior from the AI u-21 win.

Burns only joined up after the conclusion of the U21.

Think he got some time against Cavan in the league final but that was the height of it.

I would expect Justy to give it another year but Joe to call it a day, Joe has barely played any football over the last three years and I think he knows himself that he will have a big job to force his way into the side. A great player for us down through the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on October 26, 2016, 08:02:34 AM
If mcgeary, hampsey, burns etc are to push on this year would J munroe be in contention for a starting place after featuring regularly as a sub last year.  If so what positions would be up for grabs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 26, 2016, 08:13:17 AM
I think he needs to, The entire pace of the play for the Tyrone senior team has to change. That involves youth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 26, 2016, 09:11:01 AM
Seen Burns play quite a few times this year, while he is a talent I don't see who he can claim a position ahead of in the team.  He tends to generally slow the play.  Will watch this space but for me he will be a panel member next year.  I hope he can make the progression but from what I've seen to date he wouldn't get in my 15.

Bradley absolutely has to play in the Full Forward line and stay there as an outlet maybe with Sean Cavanagh if he stays on, but Cavanagh also needs to stay inside not in his half back line making clumsy tackles.  Cavanagh is most dangerous when he is in shooting range.  I'd also let Bradley hit free kicks

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 26, 2016, 10:37:11 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 25, 2016, 11:22:33 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2016, 09:31:29 PM
Was Conner Meyler not injured most of the year and only back around club champioship time...

His first game available after long term injury was the QF against Mayo. Even county players take a while to get back into the swing of things. Personally, I thought he looked excellent for us in 2015 and would hope he'd get a good shot at a HF role next year.

When in his best condition both in fitness and form he would be in my team every week...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 26, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
I'd say Burns is well down the list of new faces who we will see next year unless he has made great strides at club level since last year.
Meyler was flying this year in the league games, looking very strong and fast running with the ball in hand. He looked to be ahead of McShane and Bradley before he got injured. I would expect them three plus Rory Brennan to be the main lads to become regulars from that u21 team. McGeary & Lee Brennan you would imagine will be next in line although young Kavanagh looked good from that team too as Norf said.
I'll be shocked if Mickey makes a space for Hampsey this year unless someone is out injured. He is very loyal to McCrory, McNamee and McCarron but I believe Hampsey played very well in the Tyrone championship.

Richie Donnelly is the player I was most disappointed with last year although I'm being quite hard on him as he and his brother have set the bar high. He shows glimpses of some amazing catches, point scoring and pieces of skill but he seems to fade out of matches a lot. He's 24 now I think so should be one of our better players rather than being in and out of the team but again maybe our system of play isn't bringing out the best in him.

I'm looking forward to the league and hopefully Mickey will try out a few of these lads and play a bit more attack minded but I doubt it. I think most of us were disappointed how we approached the Mayo game and despite the good wins over Derry and Cavan we didn't show so much of our pace from changing from defence into attack in the Donegal and Mayo games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on October 26, 2016, 12:28:37 PM
Id have Burns ahead of McShane (Shoot from anywhere) every day of the week. Could even push Burns into Mid-field role similar to the one he had with the U21's and push Matty Donnelly further forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gonzalo15 on October 26, 2016, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 26, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
I'd say Burns is well down the list of new faces who we will see next year unless he has made great strides at club level since last year.
Meyler was flying this year in the league games, looking very strong and fast running with the ball in hand. He looked to be ahead of McShane and Bradley before he got injured. I would expect them three plus Rory Brennan to be the main lads to become regulars from that u21 team. McGeary & Lee Brennan you would imagine will be next in line although young Kavanagh looked good from that team too as Norf said.
I'll be shocked if Mickey makes a space for Hampsey this year unless someone is out injured. He is very loyal to McCrory, McNamee and McCarron but I believe Hampsey played very well in the Tyrone championship.

Richie Donnelly is the player I was most disappointed with last year although I'm being quite hard on him as he and his brother have set the bar high. He shows glimpses of some amazing catches, point scoring and pieces of skill but he seems to fade out of matches a lot. He's 24 now I think so should be one of our better players rather than being in and out of the team but again maybe our system of play isn't bringing out the best in him.

I'm looking forward to the league and hopefully Mickey will try out a few of these lads and play a bit more attack minded but I doubt it. I think most of us were disappointed how we approached the Mayo game and despite the good wins over Derry and Cavan we didn't show so much of our pace from changing from defence into attack in the Donegal and Mayo games.

Was Richie Donnelly not one of our best players thoughout the league last year until he got injured? Didn't really make it back in after that tbf
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on October 26, 2016, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: Gonzalo15 on October 26, 2016, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 26, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
I'd say Burns is well down the list of new faces who we will see next year unless he has made great strides at club level since last year.
Meyler was flying this year in the league games, looking very strong and fast running with the ball in hand. He looked to be ahead of McShane and Bradley before he got injured. I would expect them three plus Rory Brennan to be the main lads to become regulars from that u21 team. McGeary & Lee Brennan you would imagine will be next in line although young Kavanagh looked good from that team too as Norf said.
I'll be shocked if Mickey makes a space for Hampsey this year unless someone is out injured. He is very loyal to McCrory, McNamee and McCarron but I believe Hampsey played very well in the Tyrone championship.

Richie Donnelly is the player I was most disappointed with last year although I'm being quite hard on him as he and his brother have set the bar high. He shows glimpses of some amazing catches, point scoring and pieces of skill but he seems to fade out of matches a lot. He's 24 now I think so should be one of our better players rather than being in and out of the team but again maybe our system of play isn't bringing out the best in him.

I'm looking forward to the league and hopefully Mickey will try out a few of these lads and play a bit more attack minded but I doubt it. I think most of us were disappointed how we approached the Mayo game and despite the good wins over Derry and Cavan we didn't show so much of our pace from changing from defence into attack in the Donegal and Mayo games.

Was Richie Donnelly not one of our best players thoughout the league last year until he got injured? Didn't really make it back in after that tbf
Yes, Richie was really good during the league but then got injured after the Derry championship game & never really recovered fully. I'd have him in ahead of McShane - especially for his ability from long-range, remember he kicked 4 beauties from play against Derry in the league
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 26, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 26, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
I'd say Burns is well down the list of new faces who we will see next year unless he has made great strides at club level since last year.
Meyler was flying this year in the league games, looking very strong and fast running with the ball in hand. He looked to be ahead of McShane and Bradley before he got injured. I would expect them three plus Rory Brennan to be the main lads to become regulars from that u21 team. McGeary & Lee Brennan you would imagine will be next in line although young Kavanagh looked good from that team too as Norf said.
I'll be shocked if Mickey makes a space for Hampsey this year unless someone is out injured. He is very loyal to McCrory, McNamee and McCarron but I believe Hampsey played very well in the Tyrone championship.

Richie Donnelly is the player I was most disappointed with last year although I'm being quite hard on him as he and his brother have set the bar high. He shows glimpses of some amazing catches, point scoring and pieces of skill but he seems to fade out of matches a lot. He's 24 now I think so should be one of our better players rather than being in and out of the team but again maybe our system of play isn't bringing out the best in him.

I'm looking forward to the league and hopefully Mickey will try out a few of these lads and play a bit more attack minded but I doubt it. I think most of us were disappointed how we approached the Mayo game and despite the good wins over Derry and Cavan we didn't show so much of our pace from changing from defence into attack in the Donegal and Mayo games.

You obviously don't see much club football. Burns will be well up the list this year. fantastic player. Meyler has had torrid time with injuries. Richie Donnelly exceeded expectations last year which was a welcome surprise. You can hardly be disappointed with a fella for getting injured
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on October 26, 2016, 02:26:51 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 26, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 26, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
I'd say Burns is well down the list of new faces who we will see next year unless he has made great strides at club level since last year.
Meyler was flying this year in the league games, looking very strong and fast running with the ball in hand. He looked to be ahead of McShane and Bradley before he got injured. I would expect them three plus Rory Brennan to be the main lads to become regulars from that u21 team. McGeary & Lee Brennan you would imagine will be next in line although young Kavanagh looked good from that team too as Norf said.
I'll be shocked if Mickey makes a space for Hampsey this year unless someone is out injured. He is very loyal to McCrory, McNamee and McCarron but I believe Hampsey played very well in the Tyrone championship.

Richie Donnelly is the player I was most disappointed with last year although I'm being quite hard on him as he and his brother have set the bar high. He shows glimpses of some amazing catches, point scoring and pieces of skill but he seems to fade out of matches a lot. He's 24 now I think so should be one of our better players rather than being in and out of the team but again maybe our system of play isn't bringing out the best in him.

I'm looking forward to the league and hopefully Mickey will try out a few of these lads and play a bit more attack minded but I doubt it. I think most of us were disappointed how we approached the Mayo game and despite the good wins over Derry and Cavan we didn't show so much of our pace from changing from defence into attack in the Donegal and Mayo games.

You obviously don't see much club football. Burns will be well up the list this year. fantastic player. Meyler has had torrid time with injuries. Richie Donnelly exceeded expectations last year which was a welcome surprise. You can hardly be disappointed with a fella for getting injured

The lesser spotted Meyler seen here a week ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPeUAhOsDKA
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 26, 2016, 02:42:25 PM
I see zero club football any more as I live in Dublin so only going on league and championship matches.

I forgot Richie had an injury as well so that could explain it alright but I just thought he was a big strong lad and we would have seen more driving forward from him. Hopefully next year he can kick on.

That's great to hear people rate Burns that highly and expect him to push hard for a place next year but you gotta wonder who's place this lads are gonna take?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 26, 2016, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 26, 2016, 02:42:25 PM
I see zero club football any more as I live in Dublin so only going on league and championship matches.

I forgot Richie had an injury as well so that could explain it alright but I just thought he was a big strong lad and we would have seen more driving forward from him. Hopefully next year he can kick on.

That's great to hear people rate Burns that highly and expect him to push hard for a place next year but you gotta wonder who's place this lads are gonna take?

He gets better every time I see and has ran the show in every championship game for pomeroy. If he was a bit taller would have him at midfield but for a bit of a leftfield one which I doubt mickey would try I would stick him in full forward. He stood out more than both mc gearys for pomeroy. Beast of a cub. McShane, who I rate highly place is very much in the balance with so much competition. Mc Curry, mc caliskey and o'neill have all had plenty of shots now and yet known are guaranteed. Says it all
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 26, 2016, 08:57:39 PM
to be honest lads i think we need more than just personnel changes in the team. for me we need to fundamentally change the way we play or it wont matter who we bring in. we need to get the best footballers available and let them play in a positive manner. we have as many talented  footballers as any county in ireland. 2 i would drop immediatley are aiden mc crory and tiernan mc cann.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 26, 2016, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 26, 2016, 08:57:39 PM
to be honest lads i think we need more than just personnel changes in the team. for me we need to fundamentally change the way we play or it wont matter who we bring in. we need to get the best footballers available and let them play in a positive manner. we have as many talented  footballers as any county in ireland. 2 i would drop immediatley are aiden mc crory and tiernan mc cann.

You have to be fishing for comments and cannot possibly be serious with this post..........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 26, 2016, 10:00:49 PM
the man does not belong on a football field. a running track yes. give me his brother anyday. btw im sure there is a forum somewhere about fishing but im here to discuss tyrone football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 26, 2016, 10:59:25 PM
Irish News All Star, Without doubt 1 of the 1st names on the Tyrone team sheet, Arguably drove his team to a county title (along with Bradley) but he is essential to their game plan and tactics, Did he score 2 in the County Final from Half Back??

You might be better finding that Fishing Board because you know nothing about Tyrone Football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 27, 2016, 02:17:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 26, 2016, 08:57:39 PM
to be honest lads i think we need more than just personnel changes in the team. for me we need to fundamentally change the way we play or it wont matter who we bring in. we need to get the best footballers available and let them play in a positive manner. we have as many talented  footballers as any county in ireland. 2 i would drop immediatley are aiden mc crory and tiernan mc cann.

You can't be serious????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 27, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 26, 2016, 10:59:25 PM
Irish News All Star, Without doubt 1 of the 1st names on the Tyrone team sheet, Arguably drove his team to a county title (along with Bradley) but he is essential to their game plan and tactics, Did he score 2 in the County Final from Half Back??

You might be better finding that Fishing Board because you know nothing about Tyrone Football
guess it shows where tyrone football is at the minute when u think he is one of the first on the team sheet. if he were in dublin, kerry or mayo hed be out the door. but i dont mean to be disrespectful to the lad i just think there are much better footballers in the county. if we are gonna be serious about winning all irelands then we need the best we have on the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 28, 2016, 08:41:43 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 27, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 26, 2016, 10:59:25 PM
Irish News All Star, Without doubt 1 of the 1st names on the Tyrone team sheet, Arguably drove his team to a county title (along with Bradley) but he is essential to their game plan and tactics, Did he score 2 in the County Final from Half Back??

You might be better finding that Fishing Board because you know nothing about Tyrone Football
guess it shows where tyrone football is at the minute when u think he is one of the first on the team sheet. if he were in dublin, kerry or mayo hed be out the door. but i dont mean to be disrespectful to the lad i just think there are much better footballers in the county. if we are gonna be serious about winning all irelands then we need the best we have on the field.

He is a unique player, he wins a lot of frees, the problem is we have no one to hit them. I would have him on in half back as he adds something different than any other team has. Jack mc caffrey probably the most similar player to him except Jack is a better shooter.

You my friend are talking rubbish

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on October 28, 2016, 09:44:39 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 28, 2016, 08:41:43 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 27, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 26, 2016, 10:59:25 PM
Irish News All Star, Without doubt 1 of the 1st names on the Tyrone team sheet, Arguably drove his team to a county title (along with Bradley) but he is essential to their game plan and tactics, Did he score 2 in the County Final from Half Back??

You might be better finding that Fishing Board because you know nothing about Tyrone Football
guess it shows where tyrone football is at the minute when u think he is one of the first on the team sheet. if he were in dublin, kerry or mayo hed be out the door. but i dont mean to be disrespectful to the lad i just think there are much better footballers in the county. if we are gonna be serious about winning all irelands then we need the best we have on the field.

He is a unique player, he wins a lot of frees, the problem is we have no one to hit them. I would have him on in half back as he adds something different than any other team has. Jack mc caffrey probably the most similar player to him except Jack is a better shooter.

You my friend are talking rubbish
I'm not mad on him either - to compare him to Jack McCaffrey is a joke. In the big games he's been found short e.g. Kerry in 2015 and Mayo this year. He was really poor against Mayo, never ventured forward much or attempted to break the defensive line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on October 28, 2016, 01:35:05 PM
Don't think it was the players fault this year its the way they are sent out to play!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 28, 2016, 11:01:01 PM
someone just compared tiarnan mc cann with jack mc caffery and had the cheek to say i was talking rubbish!lol and btw the reason tiarnan mc cann is on the tyrone team is because mickey harte sends the team out to play a running game with no kicking. if we start playing a more expansive kicking game then mc cann will be gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 29, 2016, 12:04:45 AM
Modern Gaelic football is all about being a running game. Haven't you noticed? Teirnan is very well suited to the modern game.  If we were playing in 1986 I'd probably agreed with you but until the game evolves back to kick n rush then I'm fairly confident lads like Tiernan McCann will always be of great value.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 29, 2016, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 28, 2016, 11:01:01 PM
someone just compared tiarnan mc cann with jack mc caffery and had the cheek to say i was talking rubbish!lol and btw the reason tiarnan mc cann is on the tyrone team is because mickey harte sends the team out to play a running game with no kicking. if we start playing a more expansive kicking game then mc cann will be gone.

Okay 2 points. You seem to think you are better positioned to advise how this tyrone team should play than mickey harte. Wise up. You prob some overweight geek sitting posting between playing call of duty. Harte knows more about his team than anyone and how to set them up.

Tiernan mc cann has just been key part of a championship winning side and won an ulster allstar. Hes not perfect as shooting is poor but he is a dangerous player. "expansive  game" wise up would ye, you are watching rte and repeating the same babble
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on October 29, 2016, 08:14:58 PM
whatever time tiernan mccann wins footballer of the year in an all ireland winning senior side then we might draw comparisons. jack mccaffrey is also white. 8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 29, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
redhandefender im neither overweight or play call of duty but i am a tyrone football geek/anorak.  im sure the men from dublin, kerry and mayo are shittin themselves at this ulster all star mc cann comin at them next year.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 29, 2016, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 29, 2016, 12:04:45 AM
Modern Gaelic football is all about being a running game. Haven't you noticed? Teirnan is very well suited to the modern game.  If we were playing in 1986 I'd probably agreed with you but until the game evolves back to kick n rush then I'm fairly confident lads like Tiernan McCann will always be of great value.
yeah i noticed it against donegal  and mayo. was so effective. not
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 30, 2016, 12:34:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 29, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
redhandefender im neither overweight or play call of duty but i am a tyrone football geek/anorak.  im sure the men from dublin, kerry and mayo are shittin themselves at this ulster all star mc cann comin at them next year.lol

You are complete moan and thats about it. Because dub, kerry and mayo players aren't shittin themselves does not make him a bad player. He is still one of our most effective players over the last 2 years and a difficult player for opposition to deal with. If you can't see that then you must never have player any ball whasoever Mr Footballing geek.

I did not say he was anywhere near as good as mc caffrey I said similar in that sheer speed from the half back line but thta he was pretty unique in the way he plays. Luckily the main man is of the same opinion and the likes of you will never been involved in selecting a county side
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 30, 2016, 08:24:52 AM
Comparisons with mccaffrey aren't a million miles away to be honest. I was never really a fan of McCann until the last few years when he has developed into a key man and a very good county player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 30, 2016, 09:09:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 29, 2016, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 29, 2016, 12:04:45 AM
Modern Gaelic football is all about being a running game. Haven't you noticed? Teirnan is very well suited to the modern game.  If we were playing in 1986 I'd probably agreed with you but until the game evolves back to kick n rush then I'm fairly confident lads like Tiernan McCann will always be of great value.
yeah i noticed it against donegal  and mayo. was so effective. not

Eh did Tyrone not beat Donegal? Surely that's being effective. Plenty of teams have tried other styles against Donegal and been less effective. Hopefully Harte will learn lessons from the Mayo game though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 01, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Big Sean commits to 2017 on twitter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2016, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 01, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Big Sean commits to 2017 on twitter.

Great news!! One more big year in him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 03, 2016, 07:18:22 AM
Great news.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 03, 2016, 10:38:31 AM
2 All Stars in Tyrone this year!! A pleasant surprise only expected one.  Well done Peter and Mattie
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 03, 2016, 10:45:06 AM
Indeed. Wasnt expecting Mattie to get one, wasnt at the same heights as last year IMO, but we'll take it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 03, 2016, 07:11:31 PM
Comhghairdeas Peter & Mattie indeed, well done lads. :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 03, 2016, 08:19:48 PM
Well done lads, totally deserved. Disappointed for colm cav yet again and mc carron.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 03, 2016, 10:32:48 PM
Few call ups according to team talk mag namely Michael Cassidy, Ruauri Mullan, Harry Loughran, Ronan McHugh, Cahir McCullagh and Declan McClure.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 03, 2016, 10:40:08 PM
What Clubs are these lads?

Michael Cassidy Ardboe defender?
Harry Loughran Moy
Cahir McCullagh Greencastle forward
Declan McClure Clonoe
Ruairi Mullan Cookstown?
Ronan McHugh Aghyaran forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 03, 2016, 11:03:47 PM
Yip though Cassidy is one of those that can play anywhere from 5 to 12 which we seem to be coming down with. Though certainly worth his chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 03, 2016, 11:19:53 PM
A strange few call ups. Can understand Cassidy, McCullagh and McClure being called up but don't see what they can offer that isn't already on the squad.
No call up for Danny Gorman, Ruairi Loughran, Brendan Burns or Dan McNulty who i think are 4 players that can add to the panel and could potentially have a role to play next year but will see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on November 04, 2016, 08:47:59 AM
id say Gorman and Brendan burns have been overlooked as they are still involved with their club teams in ulster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 04, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
Happy with the call ups, I've seen bits and pieces of all these lads this year and they all have the potential to put some of the more seasoned county men under pressure.  Thought Dan McNulty would have been given a call but maybe he was, who knows? 

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 04, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
How has Ruairi Mullan progressed since last years under 21s? Thought he looked very very promising back then. Good man marker, very athletic and well able to get up the pitch to support the running game. Happy enough with all of the lads called up although i wouldn't have seen much of Harry Loughran.

By my reckoning there is now 11 of the starting 15 from last years under 21 team now on the senior panel which is impressive. The only ones not on are Ciaran McLaughlin, Matthew Walsh, Sparky Kavanagh and Dan McNulty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 04, 2016, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 04, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
How has Ruairi Mullan progressed since last years under 21s? Thought he looked very very promising back then. Good man marker, very athletic and well able to get up the pitch to support the running game. Happy enough with all of the lads called up although i wouldn't have seen much of Harry Loughran.

By my reckoning there is now 11 of the starting 15 from last years under 21 team now on the senior panel which is impressive. The only ones not on are Ciaran McLaughlin, Matthew Walsh, Sparky Kavanagh and Dan McNulty.

Harry Loughran played McKenna cup football with St Marys last year I think, always look out for the Tyrone lads.  Seen him play a few games with the Moy this season and he looked their stand out player even with the Cavanaghs playing.  Very fast or at least the opposition made him look fast.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 04, 2016, 10:16:09 AM
Did Mullan even play much for Cookstown this year, thought he was away travelling over the summer? Interesting selections, have seen most of them in action throughout the year, personally dont think theyll set the world alight but its all about fitting into Mickeys system....
Thought young McKiernan deserved a call, the best footballing defender Ive seen in a while but i guess he has a few yrs at u21 yet.
Would take Swift back ahead of Gorman tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Cheltenham Fun on November 04, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
Anybody dropped from the panel to make room for these 6 players?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 04, 2016, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: Cheltenham Fun on November 04, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
Anybody dropped from the panel to make room for these 6 players?

Nada. The hoard of training ground fodder is growing.

Could we not enter a team in Leinster Junior Championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mountain Man on November 04, 2016, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: Cheltenham Fun on November 04, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
Anybody dropped from the panel to make room for these 6 players?

Barry Tierney has stepped away from the panel due to studying overseas according to reports.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 04, 2016, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: Cheltenham Fun on November 04, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
Anybody dropped from the panel to make room for these 6 players?
I would imagine , as with other years, that they are included in the panel for the Mckenna cup and some of the more senior players are given a break over the winter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 04, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 04, 2016, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: Cheltenham Fun on November 04, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
Anybody dropped from the panel to make room for these 6 players?

Nada. The hoard of training ground fodder is growing.

Could we not enter a team in Leinster Junior Championship?

Tyrone had a panel of 33 or 34 last year, with a couple of long term injuries. How did that compare to other top counties?

I'd say tierney and one or two others could be gone. A couple more will get dropped after the McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on November 04, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Would have liked to see Ruairi Loughran given a go I think he is a good player.... McKernan is young yet but if he keeps progressed and learning he could be the type of defender that Harte could be doing with seems very comfortable on the ball and can take a score...time will tell for him I suppose...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Square ball Ref on November 04, 2016, 07:07:04 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 04, 2016, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 04, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
How has Ruairi Mullan progressed since last years under 21s? Thought he looked very very promising back then. Good man marker, very athletic and well able to get up the pitch to support the running game. Happy enough with all of the lads called up although i wouldn't have seen much of Harry Loughran.

By my reckoning there is now 11 of the starting 15 from last years under 21 team now on the senior panel which is impressive. The only ones not on are Ciaran McLaughlin, Matthew Walsh, Sparky Kavanagh and Dan McNulty.

Harry Loughran played McKenna cup football with St Marys last year I think, always look out for the Tyrone lads.  Seen him play a few games with the Moy this season and he looked their stand out player even with the Cavanaghs playing.  Very fast or at least the opposition made him look fast.

Seen Loughran a few times myself this year.  Would agree that he was definitely their standout player. 

Best of luck to all 6 newbies   Be hard to make beeak through and they might have to show some patience.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 05, 2016, 03:36:29 PM
Mullan is proper corner back so will add some depth there as we are a bit light in that area in terms of cover.

The rest of the players called up don't really seem to address the issues we have at the minute - a physical threat at the edge of the square and a reliable free taker.

I don't know much about McHugh. I think he was minor in 2013 but has not featured in any of the u21 squads since so I'd hold little prospects for him but who knows.

We have plenty of depth in the half forward/midfield/half back lines at the minute which is where most of these lads seem to ply their trade so I think they will find it tough to make the cut.

Could McCullagh do a job at 14?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 05, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 05, 2016, 03:36:29 PM
Mullan is proper corner back so will add some depth there as we are a bit light in that area in terms of cover.

The rest of the players called up don't really seem to address the issues we have at the minute - a physical threat at the edge of the square and a reliable free taker.

I don't know much about McHugh. I think he was minor in 2013 but has not featured in any of the u21 squads since so I'd hold little prospects for him but who knows.

We have plenty of depth in the half forward/midfield/half back lines at the minute which is where most of these lads seem to ply their trade so I think they will find it tough to make the cut.

Could McCullagh do a job at 14?

I know little re McHugh too but his scoring return over the last few seasons is excellent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 05, 2016, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 05, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 05, 2016, 03:36:29 PM
Mullan is proper corner back so will add some depth there as we are a bit light in that area in terms of cover.

The rest of the players called up don't really seem to address the issues we have at the minute - a physical threat at the edge of the square and a reliable free taker.

I don't know much about McHugh. I think he was minor in 2013 but has not featured in any of the u21 squads since so I'd hold little prospects for him but who knows.

We have plenty of depth in the half forward/midfield/half back lines at the minute which is where most of these lads seem to ply their trade so I think they will find it tough to make the cut.

Could McCullagh do a job at 14?

I know little re McHugh too but his scoring return over the last few seasons is excellent.

Being top scorer two years on the trot in the Division 2 probably suggests he's a free taker so maybe that's the thinking there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
to be honest lads it wont make a blind bit of difference who we add to the panel if the gameplan stays the same then its irrelevant. be prepared for more of the same shite  next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 11, 2016, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
to be honest lads it wont make a blind bit of difference who we add to the panel if the gameplan stays the same then its irrelevant. be prepared for more of the same shite  next year.

I've said before that we need to go more attacking but you'd think from that comment Tyrone were miles away. They lost to a team that only lost an Ireland final by a point after a replay by a point while playing poorly. If we had a decent free taker or Sean cavanagh had stayed on the pitch there's a fair chance we'd have won that game and got to an all Ireland final whilst unbeaten all year. Find margins.

Just hope next year we push on and go a bit more attacking.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2016, 10:39:29 PM
dont get me wrong im confident we have the talent and potential to win and all ireland, i just cant see it happen with harte in charge and our current gameplan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2016, 10:44:25 PM
a few points also redhandsanta. we have plenty of free takers who werent utilised against mayo, and the reason s cavanagh got sent off was because he was putting in silly tackles in his own defence when he should have been playing in full forward where he was lined out. none of this i misfortune or anything else just managerial incompetence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 11, 2016, 11:21:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2016, 10:44:25 PM
a few points also redhandsanta. we have plenty of free takers who werent utilised against mayo, and the reason s cavanagh got sent off was because he was putting in silly tackles in his own defence when he should have been playing in full forward where he was lined out. none of this i misfortune or anything else just managerial incompetence.

Which free takers weren't utilised against Mayo?

O'Neill, McAliskey and Morgan all missed frees. McCurry was only on the pitch 10 minutes or so, Brennan has yet to make his Championship debut.

The bottom line is we have pretty much given all the guys who can take a free ago and none of them have shown their worth to be reliable in consistency.

Morgan, Cavanagh, Harte, McCurry, McAliskey, O'Neill - they've all been given the job and they've all failed in that regard. If we had found the right one we wouldn't be discussing this.

Of course we can win under Harte and with the style of play we, the game plan needs small tweaks and adjustments but it's not far off from where it is now.

A complete abandonment of what we have been building in the last two years under Harte will likely see us go backwards and not forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2016, 11:36:51 PM
my point exactly, brennan, bradley, and mc curry are prob the best free takers in the county. not one of them started against mayo. and by the way morgan is a goalkeeper not a freetaker.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 11, 2016, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2016, 11:36:51 PM
my point exactly, brennan, bradley, and mc curry are prob the best free takers in the county. not one of them started against mayo. and by the way morgan is a goalkeeper not a freetaker.

McCurry bombed in the semi-final against Kerry the year before, he also had a torrid day on frees against Donegal in the opening game of Championship in 2015. He has been on frees before and he has failed to take his chance, I think Bradley to date in his county career has been very wasteful in front of goal.

Brennan has yet to make his Championship bow, he has it all to prove and I think some people expect to much too soon from him. Being involved with the u21s curtailed his involvement in the league this summer and it's always going to be difficult to get into a winning team.

I personally felt McCurry should have started against Mayo after his impact against Donegal and O'Neill having two quiet games in the Cavan replay and Ulster final but I don't see where you're getting the belief that McCurry would have nailed those frees from? Does Morgan not take the long range frees for Edendork in any case?

Maybe Brennan might be the answer but it's a case of maybe. My own personal belief is Bradley would not be in the top 5 free takers on the panel at the minute. He's playing great stuff for Killyclogher at the minute so hopefully he'll get a chance to nail down an inside spot in the coming season but I don't think he'll be the answer to our free taking problems.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 12, 2016, 12:08:46 AM
Well the answer certainly wasn't on the field against Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2016, 09:30:57 PM
il bomber ur post is full of contradictions. mc curry bombing out few games but should have started against mayo?. morgan free taker for endordork? so what? bradley not in top 5 free takers? did u not attend any tyrone senior championship games this year? bradley has been impeccable from frees so if he not in top 5 then i dont know who is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 13, 2016, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2016, 09:30:57 PM
il bomber ur post is full of contradictions. mc curry bombing out few games but should have started against mayo?. morgan free taker for endordork? so what? bradley not in top 5 free takers? did u not attend any tyrone senior championship games this year? bradley has been impeccable from frees so if he not in top 5 then i dont know who is.

My post is not full of contradictions, it's your comprehnsion skills which are lacking.

a) I said McCurry has bombed on frees before in big games particularly Donegal and Kerry in 2015 when he missed a few very important frees. You were stating that we had plenty of freetakers who weren't utilised against Mayo, I'm pointing out that those lads you mentioned have previously bombed when they have been give the task.
b) I stated that I would have started McCurry as O'Neill was on the back of two poor performances while McCurry had a very telling contribution in the Ulster final when he came on.

I did not say McCurry bombed big games, I said his free taking has bombed on big games but I would have started him due to form.

Morgan freetaker for Edendork? So what? I think it's very relevant when his county and club team mate takes the long distance frees ahead of McCurry when you're trying to position McCurry as the best free taker in the county.

Mark Bradley looks like he is really shaping into a fine player at the minute but I think it's a fair point to say that he has been really wasteful in front of the posts for Tyrone. By all means give him a go but I don't think he will be the answer here.

We have plenty of good free takers from a range of 30-35 yards but we don't have a reliable long distance free taker. Our problem is a reliable long distance free taker and I don't think we have one in the county yet. Maybe Brennan could be the answer but Lee Brennan has it all to prove, he's a young lad and he has plenty of time to prove it but I have to laugh at some people automatically state he will solve all our problems when he hasn't even kicked a ball in Championship football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 13, 2016, 06:22:08 PM
For instance you can look at the frees we missed on our Championship exits in 2016 and 2015.

The yellow x represents a missed free.

2016
(https://dontfoul.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/tyrone-shooting-v-mayo-16.png?w=450&h=422)

2015
(https://dontfoul.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/tyrone-shooting-v-kerry-15-sf.png?w=450&h=422)

Now out of those frees you can say that we missed one free we really shouldn't have in 2015 which was McCurry. O'Neill missed one he really should be getting against Mayo this year- the rest of the missed frees were in and around the 45 line and this is the range where our problems lie.

Looking at those two games, we missed all three attempts against Mayo from that range and we were 1 out of 4 against Kerry from that sort of range. Morgan was primarily the man who took those frees. He missed two long range efforts against Kerry and two against Mayo with O'Neill and McCurry missing one apiece.

Our lack of a reliable long range free taker is a big problem for us but I don't we have an answer, we have tried a number of players on frees over the past few years and none of them have succeeded. Maybe we need to start letting players know their range and if they don't feel confident of getting the score then we should be looking to build an attack and not just taking Hail Mary shots.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 14, 2016, 06:58:07 AM
thats a really good graph and i love the computer whizkids. but it hides the fundamental problem tyrone play a shit brand of attacking football. we have very similar players in our half back forward and midfield areas. they all want the handy free. id love to see a graph from 03-05 when you had mcginley dooher ricey and jordan taking ball beyond the defender knowing your going to get splattered. our current breed all want it off the shoulder and laterally. whens the last time we won frees consistently inside 30 yards. take a look at slaughtneil yesterday and where they won their frees. its not rocket science mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 07:06:04 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 14, 2016, 06:58:07 AM
thats a really good graph and i love the computer whizkids. but it hides the fundamental problem tyrone play a shit brand of attacking football. we have very similar players in our half back forward and midfield areas. they all want the handy free. id love to see a graph from 03-05 when you had mcginley dooher ricey and jordan taking ball beyond the defender knowing your going to get splattered. our current breed all want it off the shoulder and laterally. whens the last time we won frees consistently inside 30 yards. take a look at slaughtneil yesterday and where they won their frees. its not rocket science mickey.

Teams have mirrored our style when we've played them and that's why we have struggled to get scores. It's not just Tyrone who played like this but Mayo and Donegal set up the same way against us. Turnovers are a major thing in the game now as teams seem to attack in waves so if you run into bother when you men committed forward you are asking for trouble. If anything what cost us against Mayo was we were too snatchy, we needed to show mire patience and get our shooters in the right places. The wrong guys were taking the shots against Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 14, 2016, 09:35:52 AM
I see Corrigan is blaming the ref... I must have been at a different game. Slaughneil played them off the park and I heard no supporters mention the ref after.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 14, 2016, 06:23:15 PM
What disappoints me the most about the free taking situation is that Harte doesn't seem to be addressing the problem.
I mean we have chopped and changed free takers so much that nobody seems to get a fair run at it and so if you miss one or two the feeling seems to be "Ah let someone else hit the next one".

Morgan seems to hit all the far out ones and so tends to have a poor success rate. It's got to the stage now that we all expect him to miss so when he gets one now we are pleasantly surprised.
Ronan O'Neill looked like the solution early last year but again he missed quite a few when it came to the crunch and his confidence was probably low as he was been easily marked out of games by several defenders around him.

I think the way the game has gone you need to have a reasonably successful free taker as it has become so hard to score from play with the blanket defences in operation and when it comes to the tight matches this could be the difference between winning and losing.

I'd love to see us play the McKenna cup and league with 3 proper full forwards staying in there all the time and the half forward line can come back and sweep when we don't have the ball. With fast players like Mark Bradley & Skeet sitting in at FF wee would have the option to kick long ball in the odd time or at least not be so predictable as we have been the last few years. I fear Mickey won't change it around though and we'll see more of the same as last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 14, 2016, 06:23:15 PM
What disappoints me the most about the free taking situation is that Harte doesn't seem to be addressing the problem.
I mean we have chopped and changed free takers so much that nobody seems to get a fair run at it and so if you miss one or two the feeling seems to be "Ah let someone else hit the next one".

Morgan seems to hit all the far out ones and so tends to have a poor success rate. It's got to the stage now that we all expect him to miss so when he gets one now we are pleasantly surprised.
Ronan O'Neill looked like the solution early last year but again he missed quite a few when it came to the crunch and his confidence was probably low as he was been easily marked out of games by several defenders around him.

I think the way the game has gone you need to have a reasonably successful free taker as it has become so hard to score from play with the blanket defences in operation and when it comes to the tight matches this could be the difference between winning and losing.

I'd love to see us play the McKenna cup and league with 3 proper full forwards staying in there all the time and the half forward line can come back and sweep when we don't have the ball. With fast players like Mark Bradley & Skeet sitting in at FF wee would have the option to kick long ball in the odd time or at least not be so predictable as we have been the last few years. I fear Mickey won't change it around though and we'll see more of the same as last year.



We generally only have a problem with the long range frees, we don't miss too many important ones from expected ones. O'Neill's free taking was fine when it was in his range but once it went outside he struggled. Look at Monaghan for example, McManus would be regarded as one of the top free takers in the country but you don't seem attempting too many out round the 45 yard line. I don't think we have a solution in our ranks to the long range frees, it should now be about players knowing their range and limitations.

Does any team actually play with 3 inside forwards any more? None of the top sides do anyway. The game has changed, players are quicker and stronger and you simply have to limit the open space in front of your goal or teams will run through you. Lumping the ball into a lad like Bradley who is about 5ft6 into congested areas is madness, there's a reason why the game has gone so cautious and lateral these days, even the much heralded Dublin side play football much the same as the rest these days and have done since Donegal showed what happens when they don't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on November 14, 2016, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 14, 2016, 06:23:15 PM
What disappoints me the most about the free taking situation is that Harte doesn't seem to be addressing the problem.
I mean we have chopped and changed free takers so much that nobody seems to get a fair run at it and so if you miss one or two the feeling seems to be "Ah let someone else hit the next one".

Morgan seems to hit all the far out ones and so tends to have a poor success rate. It's got to the stage now that we all expect him to miss so when he gets one now we are pleasantly surprised.
Ronan O'Neill looked like the solution early last year but again he missed quite a few when it came to the crunch and his confidence was probably low as he was been easily marked out of games by several defenders around him.

I think the way the game has gone you need to have a reasonably successful free taker as it has become so hard to score from play with the blanket defences in operation and when it comes to the tight matches this could be the difference between winning and losing.

I'd love to see us play the McKenna cup and league with 3 proper full forwards staying in there all the time and the half forward line can come back and sweep when we don't have the ball. With fast players like Mark Bradley & Skeet sitting in at FF wee would have the option to kick long ball in the odd time or at least not be so predictable as we have been the last few years. I fear Mickey won't change it around though and we'll see more of the same as last year.



We generally only have a problem with the long range frees, we don't miss too many important ones from expected ones. O'Neill's free taking was fine when it was in his range but once it went outside he struggled. Look at Monaghan for example, McManus would be regarded as one of the top free takers in the country but you don't seem attempting too many out round the 45 yard line. I don't think we have a solution in our ranks to the long range frees, it should now be about players knowing their range and limitations.

Does any team actually play with 3 inside forwards any more? None of the top sides do anyway. The game has changed, players are quicker and stronger and you simply have to limit the open space in front of your goal or teams will run through you. Lumping the ball into a lad like Bradley who is about 5ft6 into congested areas is madness, there's a reason why the game has gone so cautious and lateral these days, even the much heralded Dublin side play football much the same as the rest these days and have done since Donegal showed what happens when they don't.
None of the serious ones do, but none of the good ones play with 1 inside forward either
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 14, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
ive been talkin to a few people from different clubs and a big issue seems to be confidence draining out of our forwards. heard the killyclogher men had a job rebuildin mark bradleys confidence back up this year and i heard the same from clonoe men regarding mc aliskey. seen ronan o neill play for omagh in the championship and he looks a shadow of himself. mickey harte has ruined a succession of decent forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 14, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
ive been talkin to a few people from different clubs and a big issue seems to be confidence draining out of our forwards. heard the killyclogher men had a job rebuildin mark bradleys confidence back up this year and i heard the same from clonoe men regarding mc aliskey. seen ronan o neill play for omagh in the championship and he looks a shadow of himself. mickey harte has ruined a succession of decent forwards.

Mickey Harte hasn't ruined anybody.

To date these forwards have failed to consistently show they are good enough. There aren't too many forwards in the modern game like your Bradleys and O'Neills thriving right now, the game has changed and size is a very important aspect to it. Bradley is one of the smallest footballers in the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 15, 2016, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 14, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
ive been talkin to a few people from different clubs and a big issue seems to be confidence draining out of our forwards. heard the killyclogher men had a job rebuildin mark bradleys confidence back up this year and i heard the same from clonoe men regarding mc aliskey. seen ronan o neill play for omagh in the championship and he looks a shadow of himself. mickey harte has ruined a succession of decent forwards.

Mickey Harte hasn't ruined anybody.

To date these forwards have failed to consistently show they are good enough. There aren't too many forwards in the modern game like your Bradleys and O'Neills thriving right now, the game has changed and size is a very important aspect to it. Bradley is one of the smallest footballers in the country.

I would also be of the opinion that the footballing skill that many Tyrone footballers have, is being drained out of them for the betterment of MH's "system".  This has been happening for years, but when the likes of Coney, O'Neill, McAliskey, McCurry's confidence is literally draining away; something is not right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 15, 2016, 03:47:17 PM
I think most of us would agree we were far to defensive minded v Mayo with a lot of our style of play geared towards how we could play should we come up against Dublin. I think Kerry and Donegal were the same focusing more on being defensively set up to beat the Dubs. They want to get used to playing with 13/14 men behind the ball so that when they come up against the Dubs they will frustrate their forwards and are in with a shout at beating them.

In one way I can see merit in that way of playing but in another way it so isolates your own forward line and encourages other teams to play the same way against you as we found this year with Cavan, Donegal and Mayo.

All I'm saying is surely we can manage with 12 behind the ball and keep 3 forwards up front as that keeps the other team guessing will you play a short running game or will you occasionally kick it long.
In doing so it gives our talented yet smaller forwards some support and are not constantly isolated and stripped of the ball any time they do manage to win it. I agree that most of our exciting young forwards are being asked to play virtually on their own ala Colm McFadden a few years ago. Look at how good a player McBrearty can be but their style of play means he is rarely fully utilised. He broke free against Cork this year and did huge damage cos Donegal played with a bit more focus on attack.
It's too easy just to blame Harte for that but it's also too easy to just say none of the big teams play with 3 full forwards any more.

I'd love to see a FF line of Skeet and Lee Brennan or Mark Bradley all staying in around the square feeding off big Sean. Sometimes we run the ball in and other times we can kick it long. At the moment most teams playing us know we will just run with it as Sean won't stay in there. Too predictable.
You rarely saw Dublin, Mayo or even Kerry with only 1 or 2 forwards up front this year. They often used long kick passing as well as keep ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 15, 2016, 03:56:52 PM
The Ball can move faster than any man. When teams hand pass and go side roads, it allows the opposition time to get back in numbers

Kick er in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2016, 11:03:45 PM
i think we should stop worrying about how other teams play and set up our own style and utilise the talents we have. get the best footballers we have in the county playing football they enjoy and the results will come. maybe then other teams will have to worry about how we set up and not the other way round.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 16, 2016, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2016, 11:03:45 PM
i think we should stop worrying about how other teams play and set up our own style and utilise the talents we have. get the best footballers we have in the county playing football they enjoy and the results will come. maybe then other teams will have to worry about how we set up and not the other way round.

I would love this, would be a brave manager-coach-trainer to start it though,  ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 16, 2016, 11:51:06 AM
Does anyone on here know how the players themselves feel about the system they play?
Are they happy enough or just too scared to speak out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 16, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
I seen yesterday that Brian Cody has been ratified to manage kilkenny hurlers next year. I still don't understand why mickey harte feels the need to get one and two year extensions to his tenure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on November 16, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 14, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
ive been talkin to a few people from different clubs and a big issue seems to be confidence draining out of our forwards. heard the killyclogher men had a job rebuildin mark bradleys confidence back up this year and i heard the same from clonoe men regarding mc aliskey. seen ronan o neill play for omagh in the championship and he looks a shadow of himself. mickey harte has ruined a succession of decent forwards.

Mickey Harte hasn't ruined anybody.

To date these forwards have failed to consistently show they are good enough. There aren't too many forwards in the modern game like your Bradleys and O'Neills thriving right now, the game has changed and size is a very important aspect to it. Bradley is one of the smallest footballers in the country.

Size important but doesnt have to be essential, look at Mickey Murphy, non exisitant for most of Donegals games sittin in the full forward line, maybe Bradley just not up there to be a top County player??? Although I think he will be if played in the correct position which for me is in the full forward line and with the proper ball played into him.
Id still take a small Peter Canavan over a big strong modern day footballer anyday!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 16, 2016, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 16, 2016, 11:51:06 AM
Does anyone on here know how the players themselves feel about the system they play?
Are they happy enough or just too scared to speak out?
im pretty sure from what i see that our forwards are not happy with the system. certain players like mc crory and mc cann would be happy cause they woudnt be good enough to play any other system. but you will never hear anything from players not bein happy cause they know mickey wouldnt give them a tyrone jersey again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 16, 2016, 09:53:38 PM
Tyrone played some brilliant football at times last year, Derry, Cavan donegal at times. Players just didn't perform on the day versus mayo. Maybe with div 1 football this year it will make a big difference. We are not far away. Some people are positive, some negative all the time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 16, 2016, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on November 16, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 14, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
ive been talkin to a few people from different clubs and a big issue seems to be confidence draining out of our forwards. heard the killyclogher men had a job rebuildin mark bradleys confidence back up this year and i heard the same from clonoe men regarding mc aliskey. seen ronan o neill play for omagh in the championship and he looks a shadow of himself. mickey harte has ruined a succession of decent forwards.

Mickey Harte hasn't ruined anybody.

To date these forwards have failed to consistently show they are good enough. There aren't too many forwards in the modern game like your Bradleys and O'Neills thriving right now, the game has changed and size is a very important aspect to it. Bradley is one of the smallest footballers in the country.

Size important but doesnt have to be essential, look at Mickey Murphy, non exisitant for most of Donegals games sittin in the full forward line, maybe Bradley just not up there to be a top County player??? Although I think he will be if played in the correct position which for me is in the full forward line and with the proper ball played into him.
Id still take a small Peter Canavan over a big strong modern day footballer anyday!!

In the modern game size and speed is very important.

Look at Dublin, Kerry and Mayo - Darran O'Sullivan is the only forward who comes to mind there who would be under 5ft11, we have O'Neill, McCurry,  Brennan, Bradley, and McAliskey who would all be under 5ft11. I don't think you can afford to have 3 of these types of lads starting in a forward line in a modern day setting of compact defences. We need a focal point in attack that these lads can play off but I think you can only put two of them in the side at any one time - that's just the way football has gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 16, 2016, 10:11:32 PM
i think we could easily get away with 3 of the smaller forwards on at same time. 2 in the full forward line along with s cavanagh or similiar focal  point and one, possibly r o neill in centre half forward to give some playmaking skill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 17, 2016, 07:25:03 AM
Can a club rent out its pitch to maximise?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 17, 2016, 09:24:17 AM
How do you all think Canavan would have got on in this 'modern' game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 17, 2016, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: rrhf on November 17, 2016, 07:25:03 AM
Can a club rent out its pitch to maximise?

I don't think so if it's vested.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 17, 2016, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: square_ball on November 17, 2016, 09:24:17 AM
How do you all think Canavan would have got on in this 'modern' game?

I often wondered about that too. I think he would have adapted as he's such an intelligent footballer but we wouldn't have seen many of those weaving runs he used to do in the 90's when he ran through defences beating several men and kicking wonder scores. He would probably be played around the 40 and be used like Gooch has been in the last few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 17, 2016, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: rrhf on November 17, 2016, 07:25:03 AM
Can a club rent out its pitch to maximise?

this is a sticky one - did Nemo rangers in Cork not get into a spot of bother for lending their training pitch to a local rugby club for a few nights last winter. not so sure of the reasons involved but remember hearing or reading something about this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 17, 2016, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: square_ball on November 17, 2016, 09:24:17 AM
How do you all think Canavan would have got on in this 'modern' game?

not a bother to him - he would have excelled I think because all the physicality is gone and he would run riot. He took and handled serious abuse during the 90's but it didn't annoy him one bit so imagine how we would cope now when you can hardly touch a man and you can be black carded for a foul - there would have been some men black carded back in the day trying to mark him for sure.

In short, Canavan would excel in any era or any style such was his powers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 17, 2016, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 17, 2016, 09:24:17 AM
How do you all think Canavan would have got on in this 'modern' game?

Not as well as he did, he would have to play much deeper for a start.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 23, 2016, 11:48:44 PM
Tyrone Seniors Back Training in November #Madness
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 24, 2016, 02:28:35 AM
Quote from: Club boi on November 23, 2016, 11:48:44 PM
Tyrone Seniors Back Training in November #Madness

Harte says the O Fiach Cup will be a good warm up.

Warm up? FFS.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 24, 2016, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: Club boi on November 23, 2016, 11:48:44 PM
Tyrone Seniors Back Training in November #Madness

Tyrone moaners back in November!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 24, 2016, 09:24:36 AM
Does anyone know how the county training works at this time of year - is it all gym based or pitch based? Is the whole panel training at this stage or is it tailored? Just wondering because there are still a host of county men involved with their clubs in the Division 1 League Semis - i would imagine that these men are still training with their clubs but after the club stuff finishes, would they get a few weeks off before they are expected to report back for county duty? For the Killyclogher lads in particular who will have been training full tilt over the past while, surely it would be madness to expect them to move straight into a pre-season setup without any kind of a break. I'd also be curious to know to what extent the older lads are involved at this stage (Cavanagh's, McMahon's, McCarron starting to fall into that bracket too).

I can see the logic in getting the gym stuff started at this time, and lads whose clubs haven't had much to play for over the past few months will be raring to go, I'm just wondering how much of a tailored approach is taken
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on November 24, 2016, 09:56:31 AM
Reading sean Cav article yesterday, he basically said they are out on field tues and thurs and in gym with tyrone on a wednesday. Are Tyrone not officially not allowed back to dec some time. This is the problem, I'm sure players would love the rule to be enforced for their own sake but when management call training they can hardly say I'm not going we're allowed to train and I'm not insured if I get injured! Mc Carrons not there this week anyway as he is away to all stars junket. Missing club semi finals so it's just shows his commitment to his club.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 24, 2016, 11:38:27 AM
Cathal mc Carron is doing what 99 per cent of club footballers would do. Its the fixture makers who are the cause of football in December which is a joke. Noticed a few players playing on tuesday with UUJ so no rest for them either.No wonder many young men are having joint problems its crazy the Gaa season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 24, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
Cathal McShane's season ended 12th Nov.
His pre season started back 22nd Nov.

I think he played for the college during his 10 day off season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 24, 2016, 11:39:07 PM
norf tyrone dont forget tyrone are going for 6 in a row mc kenna cups in early january so it is imperative that we hit the ground running. mickeys really gonna fill the trophy cabinet in his last year!lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 24, 2016, 11:45:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 24, 2016, 11:39:07 PM
norf tyrone dont forget tyrone are going for 6 in a row mc kenna cups in early january so it is imperative that we hit the ground running. mickeys really gonna fill the trophy cabinet in his last year!lol

You're getting ahead of yourself. Back to back O Fiach Cups first.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 24, 2016, 11:54:28 PM
i wonder if dublin, kerry and mayo are gettin ready for these early season warm ups?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 25, 2016, 08:20:36 AM
No the Dublin and Kerry lads are lying up eating and drinking. They'll probably start training around April or May. Some of you lads do some crying.

The majority of the players would be doing something anyway so a couple of nights under the expertise of Donnelly might not do any harm. I don't believe everyone is training either, depends on the players situation. And it's more about building up fitness and strength to avoid injuries once the season starts as to preparing for the pre season cups. Those games are probably a good distraction for the players and give the new boys a chance to get the jersey on.

Winning the McKenna cup didn't do any harm the last two years. Tyrone won it two years ago and were the last Ulster team standing and won Ulster after winning it last year. Would be nice to win it again this year too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on November 25, 2016, 09:37:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 25, 2016, 08:20:36 AM
No the Dublin and Kerry lads are lying up eating and drinking. They'll probably start training around April or May. Some of you lads do some crying.

The majority of the players would be doing something anyway so a couple of nights under the expertise of Donnelly might not do any harm. I don't believe everyone is training either, depends on the players situation. And it's more about building up fitness and strength to avoid injuries once the season starts as to preparing for the pre season cups. Those games are probably a good distraction for the players and give the new boys a chance to get the jersey on.

Winning the McKenna cup didn't do any harm the last two years. Tyrone won it two years ago and were the last Ulster team standing and won Ulster after winning it last year. Would be nice to win it again this year too.
How's things in Abu Dhabi
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 25, 2016, 10:06:02 AM
I see Harte said in an interview to the media going to the All Stars tour that he doesn't think the intercounty scene has become a chore.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/intercounty-game-has-not-become-a-chore-mickey-harte-35243561.html

He admits it's very different from only 10 years ago and that the odd time he has to tell players to hold back a bit and not train. Was also interesting reading Sean Cavanagh's story about how hard he thinks it will be to retire and not be out every night of the week training or doing something in the gym etc.
I presume it's very rare now for intercounty players to drink or have any social life yet you hear some on here begrudging players a trip to Abu Dhabi.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on November 25, 2016, 10:10:28 AM
these mickey mouse inter county competitions need to be scrapped once and for all (for the sake of player burnout). the league already is the warm up for the championship. we therefore don't need warm up competitions for the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 25, 2016, 10:16:47 AM
Those mickey mouse games are a nice little earner for the suits, that helps to keep the petrol and dinner money going ,for those poor people who give of their free time for the good of the organization.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 25, 2016, 09:51:38 PM
whats up with the irish news? they are doin some cheerleading for mickey harte. completely meaningless interview today with harte talkin pure shite. yesterday they had meyler blowin about how great mickey is when he has faith in him 'at times'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 26, 2016, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 25, 2016, 09:51:38 PM
whats up with the irish news? they are doin some cheerleading for mickey harte. completely meaningless interview today with harte talkin pure shite. yesterday they had meyler blowin about how great mickey is when he has faith in him 'at times'.

every opportunity IN gets it has Harte on the front or back page... they really pander to him for some reason... time he didn't get new 'contract' they wheeled out boys in diferent counties for near two weeks giving out about it like probably rang them and said what do think of Mickey Harte not get another two years... next day "******* blasts decision not to give extension to Harte"... zzz
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
yeah its really pathetic. why would they even be bothered ringing the likes of meyler who barely kicked a ball for tyrone this year his opinion? does harte put these boys forward to do the interviews to big him up? what do the managers of all the other ulster teams think of this shite?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 27, 2016, 10:22:05 AM
Jesus but you are rentless against Harte. To even suggest that Harte is putting the likes of Meyler  forward to an interview to big himself up shows the brains some people have. Or don't have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 27, 2016, 10:28:50 AM
MH doesnt need to have anyone talk him up his record over the years does that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2016, 11:10:41 AM
in the distant past lads. nows yous are happy with mc kenna cups and an odd ulster
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 27, 2016, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2016, 11:10:41 AM
in the distant past lads. nows yous are happy with mc kenna cups and an odd ulster

When you say distant past....do you mean before you were born? Some of us were around to experience the very lean years and two all Ireland semi finals and an Ulster Championship isn't a bad return in recent years!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 27, 2016, 11:37:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
yeah its really pathetic. why would they even be bothered ringing the likes of meyler who barely kicked a ball for tyrone this year his opinion? does harte put these boys forward to do the interviews to big him up? what do the managers of all the other ulster teams think of this shite?

Meyler was representing St Mary's at a promotional event for the Michaela foundation so that's why he was intreviewed and quoted in the paper. Mickey Harte is in Dubai for the All Stars tour so that's why he was interviewed and quoted in the paper. Both would have been responding to questions from journalists so people should get their facts straight before accusing tyrone and Mickey of going out of their way to push an agenda
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Some moaners on here hi. Tyrone has the biggest readership of the Irishnews outside Belfast. Paddy Heaney said it at clubtyrone thing 2 years ago. He said they will always try to pages with Tyrone stories
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 28, 2016, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Some moaners on here hi. Tyrone has the biggest readership of the Irishnews outside Belfast. Paddy Heaney said it at clubtyrone thing 2 years ago. He said they will always try to pages with Tyrone stories

true but there is more to Tyrone than Mickey Harte or players talking about Mickey Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Some moaners on here hi. Tyrone has the biggest readership of the Irishnews outside Belfast. Paddy Heaney said it at clubtyrone thing 2 years ago. He said they will always try to pages with Tyrone stories

true but there is more to Tyrone than Mickey Harte or players talking about Mickey Harte

I imagine its probably very difficult to fill 10 pages with GAA news 6 days a week. If they get a nugget like an interview with Harte, the county manager I imagine they will make the most of it.

What do you want them to do? an 2 page spread interviewing a Dromore corner forward who no one knows outside of tyrone. Meyler was asked about Harte because the paper knows it will get a reaction and more important get people like yourself to read the article and have a moan.

What an idiotic thing to be complaining about, a paper putting articles that relate to Harte 2 days running lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 28, 2016, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Some moaners on here hi. Tyrone has the biggest readership of the Irishnews outside Belfast. Paddy Heaney said it at clubtyrone thing 2 years ago. He said they will always try to pages with Tyrone stories

true but there is more to Tyrone than Mickey Harte or players talking about Mickey Harte

I imagine its probably very difficult to fill 10 pages with GAA news 6 days a week. If they get a nugget like an interview with Harte, the county manager I imagine they will make the most of it.

What do you want them to do? an 2 page spread interviewing a Dromore corner forward who no one knows outside of tyrone. Meyler was asked about Harte because the paper knows it will get a reaction and more important get people like yourself to read the article and have a moan.

What an idiotic thing to be complaining about, a paper putting articles that relate to Harte 2 days running lol.

When I saw it was about Harte I didnt read it... would be nothing new in it... zzzz
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Some moaners on here hi. Tyrone has the biggest readership of the Irishnews outside Belfast. Paddy Heaney said it at clubtyrone thing 2 years ago. He said they will always try to pages with Tyrone stories

true but there is more to Tyrone than Mickey Harte or players talking about Mickey Harte

I imagine its probably very difficult to fill 10 pages with GAA news 6 days a week. If they get a nugget like an interview with Harte, the county manager I imagine they will make the most of it.

What do you want them to do? an 2 page spread interviewing a Dromore corner forward who no one knows outside of tyrone. Meyler was asked about Harte because the paper knows it will get a reaction and more important get people like yourself to read the article and have a moan.

What an idiotic thing to be complaining about, a paper putting articles that relate to Harte 2 days running lol.

When I saw it was about Harte I didnt read it... would be nothing new in it... zzzz


So you are complaining about an article you have never read? There is a word for people like you and it rhymes with Horan!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 28, 2016, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Some moaners on here hi. Tyrone has the biggest readership of the Irishnews outside Belfast. Paddy Heaney said it at clubtyrone thing 2 years ago. He said they will always try to pages with Tyrone stories

true but there is more to Tyrone than Mickey Harte or players talking about Mickey Harte

I imagine its probably very difficult to fill 10 pages with GAA news 6 days a week. If they get a nugget like an interview with Harte, the county manager I imagine they will make the most of it.

What do you want them to do? an 2 page spread interviewing a Dromore corner forward who no one knows outside of tyrone. Meyler was asked about Harte because the paper knows it will get a reaction and more important get people like yourself to read the article and have a moan.

What an idiotic thing to be complaining about, a paper putting articles that relate to Harte 2 days running lol.

When I saw it was about Harte I didnt read it... would be nothing new in it... zzzz


So you are complaining about an article you have never read? There is a word for people like you and it rhymes with Horan!

Mickey is a great man bla bla... is a word for you rhymes with sickbed  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on November 28, 2016, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Some moaners on here hi. Tyrone has the biggest readership of the Irishnews outside Belfast. Paddy Heaney said it at clubtyrone thing 2 years ago. He said they will always try to pages with Tyrone stories

true but there is more to Tyrone than Mickey Harte or players talking about Mickey Harte

I imagine its probably very difficult to fill 10 pages with GAA news 6 days a week. If they get a nugget like an interview with Harte, the county manager I imagine they will make the most of it.

What do you want them to do? an 2 page spread interviewing a Dromore corner forward who no one knows outside of tyrone. Meyler was asked about Harte because the paper knows it will get a reaction and more important get people like yourself to read the article and have a moan.

What an idiotic thing to be complaining about, a paper putting articles that relate to Harte 2 days running lol.

When I saw it was about Harte I didnt read it... would be nothing new in it... zzzz


So you are complaining about an article you have never read? There is a word for people like you and it rhymes with Horan!

Mickey is a great man bla bla... is a word for you rhymes with sickbed  :)


Lmao very good
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 28, 2016, 09:46:57 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on November 28, 2016, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 28, 2016, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Some moaners on here hi. Tyrone has the biggest readership of the Irishnews outside Belfast. Paddy Heaney said it at clubtyrone thing 2 years ago. He said they will always try to pages with Tyrone stories

true but there is more to Tyrone than Mickey Harte or players talking about Mickey Harte

I imagine its probably very difficult to fill 10 pages with GAA news 6 days a week. If they get a nugget like an interview with Harte, the county manager I imagine they will make the most of it.

What do you want them to do? an 2 page spread interviewing a Dromore corner forward who no one knows outside of tyrone. Meyler was asked about Harte because the paper knows it will get a reaction and more important get people like yourself to read the article and have a moan.

What an idiotic thing to be complaining about, a paper putting articles that relate to Harte 2 days running lol.

When I saw it was about Harte I didnt read it... would be nothing new in it... zzzz


So you are complaining about an article you have never read? There is a word for people like you and it rhymes with Horan!

Mickey is a great man bla bla... is a word for you rhymes with sickbed  :)


Lmao very good

Has to be called moanball now for sure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 28, 2016, 10:16:38 PM
lets see how many more 'mickey is a great man' articles the irish news will run before the years out. all an attempt to brainwash people into giving him an extension to his tenure. v poor from irish news.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 28, 2016, 11:40:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 28, 2016, 10:16:38 PM
lets see how many more 'mickey is a great man' articles the irish news will run before the years out. all an attempt to brainwash people into giving him an extension to his tenure. v poor from irish news.

So the irishnews are trying to brain was people to put pressure on CB to give mickey anew tenure? Jesus wept
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 29, 2016, 12:09:06 AM
youve got it. use the media/print media/social media to get ur views out there constantly and the results will come. just ask donald trump. ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 29, 2016, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 29, 2016, 12:09:06 AM
youve got it. use the media/print media/social media to get ur views out there constantly and the results will come. just ask donald trump. ;)

The Irish News - Mickey Harte relationship is strange. He seems to have them in his pocket
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 29, 2016, 10:22:15 AM
Mulder and Scully here.

He says controversial things therefore makes for a good headline. He is the Tyrone manager, there second biggest catchment area therefore sells papers. There is no connection between mickey harte and the irishnews. the majority of their sports jornos are from Derry for god sake.

Back to the X-files ladies
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 29, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Never read as much crap in my life.  The same guys lambasting the Irish news coverage probably lambast the lack of RTE coverage.  Such hypocritical bullshit. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 29, 2016, 02:58:12 PM
I presume there are still a number of people who would be happy to see the back of Harte as Tyrone manager. I probably was in this boat a year or so ago but I think he's got vital experience that will be lost if we bring in someone else. You would imagine Fergal Logan would be next in line for the job but I think no matter who it is we won't see much change in tactics from our current style of play.

Actually, what 3 (or more) things would you like to see change for Tyrone in 2017 if you had a say?
Do you believe if we had beaten Mayo this year would we have went on to give the Dubs a good game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 29, 2016, 03:23:56 PM
Not sure if it is solely that Fuzzman. Think a lot of people are fed up with how the county game and GAA are going to be honest and the man at the helm unfairly getting the blame. Don't think anyone in Tyrone could do a better job but would love to see a more positive/attacking style that puts a lot of trust/faith in the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 29, 2016, 03:32:52 PM
I think we need a new attacking philosophy which caters for smaller players but I believe smaller but v talented players.  In my head that needs a big but fairly stationary full forward talisman.  I think there are options inside and outside the panel. 
We need to change the goalie / free tactic.
We need to kick the ball more and run the ball less.   
Defense is a winner, we can defend enough to win. 
Id suggest most lovers of Gaelic football prefer club level football now.  That will continue until the county teams represent an ideal again, atten dances will continue to decrease as entertainment value drops. 
Harte will adapt to the lesson leanred in Croke Park and it was another lesson. Could make for an interesting year.  I hope with no contract in place he goes for it gung ho!   


 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 29, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
Free-takers, please, free-takers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 29, 2016, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 29, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
Free-takers, please, free-takers

what are these? we haven't had any in ages.

Plenty of players masquerading as free kickers but none too reliable unless it is O'Fiaich Cup or McKenna Cup......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on November 29, 2016, 07:44:09 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 29, 2016, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 29, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
Free-takers, please, free-takers

what are these? we haven't had any in ages.

Plenty of players masquerading as free kickers but none too reliable unless it is O'Fiaich Cup or McKenna Cup......
Thank God for the O'Fiaich and McKenna Cups, only for them MH would have been packed off years ago! He has created a smokescreen that success is on its way cos we are winning (But winning what??)!!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 29, 2016, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 29, 2016, 10:22:15 AM
Mulder and Scully here.

He says controversial things therefore makes for a good headline. He is the Tyrone manager, there second biggest catchment area therefore sells papers. There is no connection between mickey harte and the irishnews. the majority of their sports jornos are from Derry for god sake.

Back to the X-files ladies
no connection? did he not write a full page column for them every friday for about 3 years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 29, 2016, 08:33:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 29, 2016, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 29, 2016, 10:22:15 AM
Mulder and Scully here.

He says controversial things therefore makes for a good headline. He is the Tyrone manager, there second biggest catchment area therefore sells papers. There is no connection between mickey harte and the irishnews. the majority of their sports jornos are from Derry for god sake.

Back to the X-files ladies
no connection? did he not write a full page column for them every friday for about 3 years?

Bejaysus, I think your on to something there fella.  Keep digging the dirt on the Mickey Harte/Irish News scandal and keep us posted. It's an outrage and people need to know the truth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 29, 2016, 08:36:16 PM
ye wouldnt have to dig far to find a bit of dirt on him now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 30, 2016, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: rrhf on November 29, 2016, 03:32:52 PM
I think we need a new attacking philosophy which caters for smaller players but I believe smaller but v talented players.  In my head that needs a big but fairly stationary full forward talisman.  I think there are options inside and outside the panel.  Want to name a few?
We need to change the goalie / free tactic. Why did Peter Harte stop hitting frees?
We need to kick the ball more and run the ball less.   Totally agree with this or at least mix it up as we're much too predictable. We used to kick the odd long high ball into Sean on the square
Defense is a winner, we can defend enough to win.  Is it good just because of numbers back?
Id suggest most lovers of Gaelic football prefer club level football now.  That will continue until the county teams represent an ideal again, atten dances will continue to decrease as entertainment value drops. 
Harte will adapt to the lesson leanred in Croke Park and it was another lesson. Could make for an interesting year.  I hope with no contract in place he goes for it gung ho!   

I am not sure what lesson Harte will have learned from the Mayo game. I'd say in his eyes his defensive approach almost worked had we taken more of our chances. We hit a lot of silly wides and had we won by a point would we be complaining about the style of football now. Personally I hate it myself and would love to see players like Mark Bradley, Lee Brennan and Ronan O'Neill doing well and being supported up front rather than being isolated.
The Donegal fans were very forgiving of their style of football when they won in 2012 and it almost worked again in 2014.
I'd expect Harte to continue with the running possession game and to focus on turnover and fast transition to attack that they showed so well v Cavan in the second game. That style of football has brought us to the quarter finals and a few semifinals quite consistently over the past 5 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 30, 2016, 02:17:58 PM
I remember a few years ago wishing to see a full-forward line of McCurry, McAliskey and O'Neill......well it did come to pass and , whether, it was not getting the ball enough,  being swallowed up by defensive systems or just loosing their ability/confidence, but it has turned out to be a major disappointment. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 30, 2016, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 30, 2016, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: rrhf on November 29, 2016, 03:32:52 PM
I think we need a new attacking philosophy which caters for smaller players but I believe smaller but v talented players.  In my head that needs a big but fairly stationary full forward talisman.  I think there are options inside and outside the panel.  Want to name a few?
We need to change the goalie / free tactic. Why did Peter Harte stop hitting frees?
We need to kick the ball more and run the ball less.   Totally agree with this or at least mix it up as we're much too predictable. We used to kick the odd long high ball into Sean on the square
Defense is a winner, we can defend enough to win.  Is it good just because of numbers back?
Id suggest most lovers of Gaelic football prefer club level football now.  That will continue until the county teams represent an ideal again, atten dances will continue to decrease as entertainment value drops. 
Harte will adapt to the lesson leanred in Croke Park and it was another lesson. Could make for an interesting year.  I hope with no contract in place he goes for it gung ho!   

I am not sure what lesson Harte will have learned from the Mayo game. I'd say in his eyes his defensive approach almost worked had we taken more of our chances. We hit a lot of silly wides and had we won by a point would we be complaining about the style of football now. Personally I hate it myself and would love to see players like Mark Bradley, Lee Brennan and Ronan O'Neill doing well and being supported up front rather than being isolated.
The Donegal fans were very forgiving of their style of football when they won in 2012 and it almost worked again in 2014.
I'd expect Harte to continue with the running possession game and to focus on turnover and fast transition to attack that they showed so well v Cavan in the second game. That style of football has brought us to the quarter finals and a few semifinals quite consistently over the past 5 years.

Your praising a replay display versus Cavan, there's your problem already. This system doesn't work against the big teams when it matters
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 30, 2016, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 30, 2016, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 30, 2016, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: rrhf on November 29, 2016, 03:32:52 PM
I think we need a new attacking philosophy which caters for smaller players but I believe smaller but v talented players.  In my head that needs a big but fairly stationary full forward talisman.  I think there are options inside and outside the panel.  Want to name a few?
We need to change the goalie / free tactic. Why did Peter Harte stop hitting frees?
We need to kick the ball more and run the ball less.   Totally agree with this or at least mix it up as we're much too predictable. We used to kick the odd long high ball into Sean on the square
Defense is a winner, we can defend enough to win.  Is it good just because of numbers back?
Id suggest most lovers of Gaelic football prefer club level football now.  That will continue until the county teams represent an ideal again, atten dances will continue to decrease as entertainment value drops. 
Harte will adapt to the lesson leanred in Croke Park and it was another lesson. Could make for an interesting year.  I hope with no contract in place he goes for it gung ho!   

I am not sure what lesson Harte will have learned from the Mayo game. I'd say in his eyes his defensive approach almost worked had we taken more of our chances. We hit a lot of silly wides and had we won by a point would we be complaining about the style of football now. Personally I hate it myself and would love to see players like Mark Bradley, Lee Brennan and Ronan O'Neill doing well and being supported up front rather than being isolated.
The Donegal fans were very forgiving of their style of football when they won in 2012 and it almost worked again in 2014.
I'd expect Harte to continue with the running possession game and to focus on turnover and fast transition to attack that they showed so well v Cavan in the second game. That style of football has brought us to the quarter finals and a few semifinals quite consistently over the past 5 years.

Your praising a replay display versus Cavan, there's your problem already. This system doesn't work against the big teams when it matters

What system would u like to see club boi.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on November 30, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
Boys would u's forget about Ronan O'Neill..... he never touched leather against Donegal or Mayo. Pure scrape. He might look good against the Derry's but nowhere near the standard needed against the big boys. McAliskey and McCurry are only slightly better too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 30, 2016, 08:58:06 PM
r o neill was the star player on an all ireland minor winning team and almost led his club to provincial glory. if he isnt good enough then who is? il admit he looked a shadow of himself against clonoe in championship first round but id say its just a confindence thing. the ability is there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 30, 2016, 09:51:54 PM
Auk Mickey put a sock in it ffs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/38164892
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 30, 2016, 10:13:49 PM
he'll get his extension yet. another few articles in irish new and he is home and dry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 30, 2016, 11:08:01 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 30, 2016, 09:51:54 PM
Auk Mickey put a sock in it ffs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/38164892

What exactly riled you so much in that interview?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 01, 2016, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: tiempo on November 30, 2016, 09:51:54 PM
Auk Mickey put a sock in it ffs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/38164892

zzz.... is very tedious right enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 01, 2016, 11:09:39 AM
Jaysus lads, he's only answering questions being asked by a BBC reporter. What should he say "Naw I don't want to answer that". Relax.

On another note, how can you see Tyrone approach the new mark rule.
With big Colm Cav showing the last few years how he can win clean ball around the middle should we try to use that the odd time if a team is pushing up on our short kickouts or should we stay away from them?
Colm wouldn't be known for his shooting unlike Sean or Mattie.

On the note of Ronan O'Neill from the previous page and why we never got to see McCurry, McAliskey and Ronan in the FF line, I think it's simply because we never play with 3 in our FF line any more. Ronan started last season well and no doubt it a talented player but often he was up there totally on his own with several defenders around him like v Donegal. Even PTG would struggle with tactics like that but I think if big Sean, Mark Bradley and McAliskey were to  stay in there most of the time then it would greatly enhance our attacking style. That would be my main wish for 2017 to play a 3 man FF line and allow the half forward line to come back to defend. At least it means if we do get the ball into a man in the FF line he has 2 men in support rather than be stripped of the ball right away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 01, 2016, 10:55:05 PM
id love 2 see us keep 3 in full forward line but it wont matter cause we wont kick in into them. our game is all about running the ball at pace so they will have to carry it rite up and lay it off to attackers by which time the other team will have plenty of men back. it simply wont work. our gameplan will need to change fundamentaly to challenge the top teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 06:37:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 01, 2016, 11:09:39 AM
Jaysus lads, he's only answering questions being asked by a BBC reporter. What should he say "Naw I don't want to answer that". Relax.

On another note, how can you see Tyrone approach the new mark rule.
With big Colm Cav showing the last few years how he can win clean ball around the middle should we try to use that the odd time if a team is pushing up on our short kickouts or should we stay away from them?
Colm wouldn't be known for his shooting unlike Sean or Mattie.

On the note of Ronan O'Neill from the previous page and why we never got to see McCurry, McAliskey and Ronan in the FF line, I think it's simply because we never play with 3 in our FF line any more. Ronan started last season well and no doubt it a talented player but often he was up there totally on his own with several defenders around him like v Donegal. Even PTG would struggle with tactics like that but I think if big Sean, Mark Bradley and McAliskey were to  stay in there most of the time then it would greatly enhance our attacking style. That would be my main wish for 2017 to play a 3 man FF line and allow the half forward line to come back to defend. At least it means if we do get the ball into a man in the FF line he has 2 men in support rather than be stripped of the ball right away.

What purpose would kicking the ball into 3 small forwards playing against packed defences serve?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 08:46:22 PM
i think he said one big full forward and 2 smaller. if the ball is moved forward fast enough with the kick then defences wont have time to get packed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 02, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 08:46:22 PM
i think he said one big full forward and 2 smaller. if the ball is moved forward fast enough with the kick then defences wont have time to get packed.
The last part is true alright. But when playing a defensive screen (our defenders aren't good enough to go man to man ) we won't have the players in the half forward line to kick to. Who is this big forward, or we're is he going to come from. We don't have a geaney or a brogan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 09:33:56 PM
sean cavanagh is the man next year. after that mattie donnelly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 08:46:22 PM
i think he said one big full forward and 2 smaller. if the ball is moved forward fast enough with the kick then defences wont have time to get packed.

Didn't see big full forward there but in that interest, who is the big full forward? Niall McKenna, Cahir McCullagh? Cavanagh is not comfortable in there and will always end up dropping out the pitch, guys like McShane and the Donnellys are not full forwards and better utilised elsewhere.

I agree with having a big target man in there, it allows us to play with a bit more variety and let it in from time to time and as a result we're not as predictable and one dimensional but I just don't really see a natural solution for that role. Cavanagh doesn't work in there and he will always end up drifting out the pitch where he can influence the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
cavanagh won an all star in full forward in 08'. i remember mattie donnelly playin full forward in a league game against mayo few years ago and i think he scored 4 or 5 points from play. he was outstanding. he was moved to centre half back 2 games later but there ya go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 10:08:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 09:33:56 PM
sean cavanagh is the man next year. after that mattie donnelly.

Donnelly and Peter Harte are the beating heart of this side, everything goes through them. Putting Donnelly on the edge of the square where he could be a peripheral figure in games would be a daft move, IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
cavanagh won an all star in full forward in 08'. i remember mattie donnelly playin full forward in a league game against mayo few years ago and i think he scored 4 or 5 points from play. he was outstanding. he was moved to centre half back 2 games later but there ya go.

Mattie Donnelly has won two all stars at midfield, why move him out of there on the basis of a league game?

Cavanagh has played at the edge of the square for two years, he ends up dropping out the pitch as he gets frustrated at not being able to influence the game in there as it passes him by. He came out the field and won us the Ulster final against Donegal this year. They're both key men and they're both much more important to us out the pitch. Whoever plays that role must be a natural at it, the only one I think we have in that mould is Niall McKenna, he has the size and mobility and it's his best position.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:20:37 PM
everyone knows niall mc kenna will never play for tyrone while mickey harte is in charge. i agree he would be man for the job, great hands and natural ability plus his is bred for the job. polictics at play here unfortunately
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 02, 2016, 10:22:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
cavanagh won an all star in full forward in 08'. i remember mattie donnelly playin full forward in a league game against mayo few years ago and i think he scored 4 or 5 points from play. he was outstanding. he was moved to centre half back 2 games later but there ya go.

Mattie Donnelly has won two all stars at midfield, why move him out of there on the basis of a league game?

Cavanagh has played at the edge of the square for two years, he ends up dropping out the pitch as he gets frustrated at not being able to influence the game in there as it passes him by. He came out the field and won us the Ulster final against Donegal this year. They're both key men and they're both much more important to us out the pitch. Whoever plays that role must be a natural at it, the only one I think we have in that mould is Niall McKenna, he has the size and mobility and it's his best position.

I don't know what I have missed or what some of you have seen but I can't remember Mc Kenna ever being outstanding at Full Forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 10:28:37 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 02, 2016, 10:22:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
cavanagh won an all star in full forward in 08'. i remember mattie donnelly playin full forward in a league game against mayo few years ago and i think he scored 4 or 5 points from play. he was outstanding. he was moved to centre half back 2 games later but there ya go.

Mattie Donnelly has won two all stars at midfield, why move him out of there on the basis of a league game?

Cavanagh has played at the edge of the square for two years, he ends up dropping out the pitch as he gets frustrated at not being able to influence the game in there as it passes him by. He came out the field and won us the Ulster final against Donegal this year. They're both key men and they're both much more important to us out the pitch. Whoever plays that role must be a natural at it, the only one I think we have in that mould is Niall McKenna, he has the size and mobility and it's his best position.

I don't know what I have missed or what some of you have seen but I can't remember Mc Kenna ever being outstanding at Full Forward

I never said he was outstanding but we're not blessed with outstanding natural full forwards who can act as focal point. I think McKenna deserves a run if we are going to go with a big man inside.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:47:58 PM
there is a video on youtube i think of niall mc kenna playin full forward for donaghmore in this years league and i would deffo use the word outstanding. scored about 1-4 and couldnt be marked. albeit div 2 league. look it up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
only after watchin the video again. really impressive. it was against cookstown.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 02, 2016, 10:55:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
only after watchin the video again. really impressive. it was against cookstown.

I'm sure if Tyrone play Cookstown, Mickey will give him a shout!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:59:16 PM
ha ha. funny if it wasnt such a shame the lad cant get a game for tyrone just cause mickey doesnt like his family
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on December 02, 2016, 11:27:11 PM
McKenna is always injured, he's made of glass
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 03, 2016, 06:58:46 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:59:16 PM
ha ha. funny if it wasnt such a shame the lad cant get a game for tyrone just cause mickey doesnt like his family
Quit making shit up u knob. If anything Harte has been to good to him keeping him  on the squad the amount he's been injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 03, 2016, 11:25:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:59:16 PM
ha ha. funny if it wasnt such a shame the lad cant get a game for tyrone just cause mickey doesnt like his family

It is hard to tell on here sometimes if people are ignorant or on the wind up. I hope in this case it's someone on the wind up.

Harte has had McKenna on the panel for around 6 years and he has played plenty of times without ever showing enough to nail down a place. In 2014 he started the first round of Ulster at full forward v down without scoring. I think he came on in the replay and got a point. I'm nearly sure he started full forward v Armagh in the championship that year, don't think he scored much.

Come 2015 he had played good bit in McKenna cup in full forward line and started first game of league before injury. He has struggled with injury since which is the reason he hasn't played nothing to do with a dislike of his family (as much as you'd like that to be the reason).

McKenna is a good player but has yet to really bring underage or club form to the county in either league or championship. I'd really like to see the lad get fit and get another go at it though, cause he has plenty of football ability. Hopefully he gets a few good months training behind him and proves to be a real option for full forward line next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on December 03, 2016, 11:57:18 AM
All this talk about Mc Kenna. The question is who is the best full forward in Tyrone club football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 03, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 03, 2016, 11:57:18 AM
All this talk about Mc Kenna. The question is who is the best full forward in Tyrone club football?

Lot of teams play a two man full forward line these days so the question is probably who is the most effective in the full forward line. In that case on the current year probably mark Bradley by a distance. McNulty from Clonoe got a few goals and was decent at the frees but struggled against hanpsey over two games and pace at county level could be an issue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on December 03, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 03, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 03, 2016, 11:57:18 AM
All this talk about Mc Kenna. The question is who is the best full forward in Tyrone club football?

Lot of teams play a two man full forward line these days so the question is probably who is the most effective in the full forward line. In that case on the current year probably mark Bradley by a distance. McNulty from Clonoe got a few goals and was decent at the frees but struggled against hanpsey over two games and pace at county level could be an issue.
I personally think Dan McNulty has more about him than Niall McKenna and im dissapointed he didnt get a call up to the senior panel.
McKenna has seen plenty of opportunities over the years, i feel he never looked good enough in those opportunities.
In terms of the players called up, only McCullagh, McHugh and possibly McClure represent options in the full forward line. That suggests to me Harte intends to continue with the quick counter attack transition football and not moving towards more men in the full forward line and kicking the ball in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 03, 2016, 01:14:54 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 03, 2016, 11:25:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2016, 10:59:16 PM
ha ha. funny if it wasnt such a shame the lad cant get a game for tyrone just cause mickey doesnt like his family

It is hard to tell on here sometimes if people are ignorant or on the wind up. I hope in this case it's someone on the wind up.

Harte has had McKenna on the panel for around 6 years and he has played plenty of times without ever showing enough to nail down a place. In 2014 he started the first round of Ulster at full forward v down without scoring. I think he came on in the replay and got a point. I'm nearly sure he started full forward v Armagh in the championship that year, don't think he scored much.

Come 2015 he had played good bit in McKenna cup in full forward line and started first game of league before injury. He has struggled with injury since which is the reason he hasn't played nothing to do with a dislike of his family (as much as you'd like that to be the reason).

McKenna is a good player but has yet to really bring underage or club form to the county in either league or championship. I'd really like to see the lad get fit and get another go at it though, cause he has plenty of football ability. Hopefully he gets a few good months training behind him and proves to be a real option for full forward line next year.

Interesting to see this debate. Has had a horrible few years of injuries and there's many a time it might have been easier to let him go.  For all the club minutes he has played in 2 years his scoring return is phenomenal.  He needs lots of football club and county. I'd say 10 weeks of games, but if you want a big scoring full forward alternative and mc Kenna is match fit. He will get in there and do a great job and is unrecognisable from where he was 3 years ago. Class act.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on December 03, 2016, 05:01:34 PM
McKenna is a decent player when fully fit but hardly a class act.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 03, 2016, 06:19:11 PM
1 Game
Against Cookstown
At Home
In The League

Yeah World Beater

Get him Number 14 Micky
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 03, 2016, 07:42:29 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 03, 2016, 06:19:11 PM
1 Game
Against Cookstown
At Home
In The League

Yeah World Beater

Get him Number 14 Micky
who said he was a world beater? no point in tellin mickey to put him at 14 anyway cause hed only end up as a sweeper anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 03, 2016, 08:11:46 PM
Ok, no World Beater but you's are building him up as a saviour
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 03, 2016, 09:03:50 PM
Champ team 2017

Morgan
Hampesy
Mcnamee
Munroe
Mccann
Sludden
Brennan
Colm
Matty
Richy Donnelly
Petey
Monroe
Sparky
Lee Brennan
R oneill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 03, 2016, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 03, 2016, 08:11:46 PM
Ok, no World Beater but you's are building him up as a saviour
no we are only sayin he could be an option at full forward. we need one badly. still open for opinons lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 03, 2016, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 03, 2016, 09:03:50 PM
Champ team 2017

Morgan
Hampesy
Mcnamee
Munroe
Mccann
Sludden
Brennan
Colm
Matty
Richy Donnelly
Petey
Monroe
Sparky
Lee Brennan
R oneill
McShane in half forward line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 03, 2016, 09:40:23 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 03, 2016, 09:03:50 PM
Champ team 2017

Morgan
Hampesy
Mcnamee
Munroe
Mccann
Sludden
Brennan
Colm
Matty
Richy Donnelly
Petey
Monroe
Sparky
Lee Brennan
R oneill

Monroe must be some player as you have him playing in defence and attack !!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on December 04, 2016, 11:02:32 AM
Fox
Hampsey
McCarron
Munroe
McCann
R Brennan
K McGeary
M Donnelly
C Cavanagh
N Sludden
P Harte
F Burns
L Brennan
S Cavanagh
M Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on December 04, 2016, 11:28:04 AM
I know its not his positron but I think buns could be a revelation if tried at full forward. He's a all round player and can not frees. He may be unavailable for a while though with club commitments
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on December 05, 2016, 10:36:16 AM
Cant see an all-Ireland in them line-ups!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 05, 2016, 11:59:13 AM
I can't see Mickey making too many changes from last year. Maybe Mark Bradley into corner forward but I don't think he's ready to give Lee Brennan his chance. We'll know better during the league.
I'll be shocked if he drops McCrory or McNabb though I'd say Justy might be gone.
I've not seen any club football so how do people rank Hampsey, Munroe and McGeary as in which are more likely to break into the team this year. I'd hope Rory Brennan is a permanent replacement now for Justy.

We are lacking in a real hard man at the back, someone like Block or Ricey.
Would be nice to see big Colm catch a few marks in the league but I will be surprised if we use this tactic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on December 05, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 05, 2016, 11:59:13 AM
I can't see Mickey making too many changes from last year. Maybe Mark Bradley into corner forward but I don't think he's ready to give Lee Brennan his chance. We'll know better during the league.
I'll be shocked if he drops McCrory or McNabb though I'd say Justy might be gone.
I've not seen any club football so how do people rank Hampsey, Munroe and McGeary as in which are more likely to break into the team this year. I'd hope Rory Brennan is a permanent replacement now for Justy.

We are lacking in a real hard man at the back, someone like Block or Ricey.
Would be nice to see big Colm catch a few marks in the league but I will be surprised if we use this tactic.

Seriously??? Certainly would not use the words Hard man to describe Ricey. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on December 05, 2016, 05:06:40 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on December 05, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 05, 2016, 11:59:13 AM
I can't see Mickey making too many changes from last year. Maybe Mark Bradley into corner forward but I don't think he's ready to give Lee Brennan his chance. We'll know better during the league.
I'll be shocked if he drops McCrory or McNabb though I'd say Justy might be gone.
I've not seen any club football so how do people rank Hampsey, Munroe and McGeary as in which are more likely to break into the team this year. I'd hope Rory Brennan is a permanent replacement now for Justy.

We are lacking in a real hard man at the back, someone like Block or Ricey.
Would be nice to see big Colm catch a few marks in the league but I will be surprised if we use this tactic.

Seriously??? Certainly would not use the words Hard man to describe Ricey. 

Maybe not a traditional hard man, but hedefinitely made life uncomfortable for opposing forwards, he was a great player for Tyrone and we are maybe too nice in defence.  Though the likes of McCarron and McNamee and justy are no shrinking violets, they can also play, are comfortable in a number of positions, get up and down the field and can take a score, i.e the  template for the modern defender. 

From what I have seen in club football, Hampsey and Munroe can definitely add a bit of extra bite at the back, both would be great additions, they hit hard and in my opnion both are future captain material if they make the cut,  but again both play a lot of club football at midfield.

The new additions allied to the experience gained by Hampsey, Munroe McGeary et al make for an exciting 2017, lets hope they shackles are off to a degree.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on December 05, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Beanman, did you see the Mayo match? Our defence needs to tone down the nastiness a notch or two. Some of the antics I witnessed (thinking of McNamee and McCarron mainly) were embarrassing and add the square root of f**k all to our game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on December 05, 2016, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 05, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Beanman, did you see the Mayo match? Our defence needs to tone down the nastiness a notch or two. Some of the antics I witnessed (thinking of McNamee and McCarron mainly) were embarrassing and add the square root of f**k all to our game.

Dont forget your clubmate Omagh.  Justy wasnt shy that day either, nor last year against Donegal or Mayo in the league in Castlebar before that, and he is one of the more experienced players.  We went over the top in that match, if the defenders had concentrated on playing the football and not wasting energy on riling up the Mayo forwards things could have been different.  But there is a difference in being a tough defence and being nasty.  I am not condoning the nastiness.  But I think we were more let down by the forwards that day than anything else.  But thats over now, no point in flogging a dead horse...

You get more respect from hitting hard and being tight markers than mouthing how good you are to the opposition, especially when it backfires on the scoreboard....  Prime example is Colm Cav, Harte, Donnelly, and Gormley, Jordan, McGinley ONeill Dooher & Co before that......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 05, 2016, 09:22:53 PM
The mouthing is not something I'd get worked up too much about either way. I'd be worried that some of the lads might lose the run of themselves or referees might be swayed by seeing it go on but it was pretty harmless slabbering by all accounts, didn't seem to knock anything out of the Mayo players - my issue with it would be it's a waste of effort and focus rather than feeling shamed or embarrassed than it.

It's one of those things that has a much bigger issue of it made than it demands, like incidents of spitting and biting for instance. If you were given a choice of someone having a nibble on your shoulder, getting spat on or having someone fella run his mouth off at ya all game than getting someone's fist driving through your face - I think I know which option I'd prefer to be on the receiving end of.

The worst act I saw on a football pitch this summer was Mickey Burke of Meath attempting to take the head off a Dublin player in their Leinster Championship match, a real sneaky, cowardly blindside punch that the Dublin players was very lucky not to have his face broken up. There wasn't a peep made out about it though in the aftermath.

I don't like this kind of hierarchy of shame some people try to build around these acts, I can remember Hubby Hughes nearly decapitate one of the McEntees in the All Ireland final and Horse Devlin stamping on Colm Parkinson. Were they embarrassing too or is violence to heralded and verbals derided?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 07:35:00 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 05, 2016, 09:22:53 PM
The mouthing is not something I'd get worked up too much about either way. I'd be worried that some of the lads might lose the run of themselves or referees might be swayed by seeing it go on but it was pretty harmless slabbering by all accounts, didn't seem to knock anything out of the Mayo players - my issue with it would be it's a waste of effort and focus rather than feeling shamed or embarrassed than it.

It's one of those things that has a much bigger issue of it made than it demands, like incidents of spitting and biting for instance. If you were given a choice of someone having a nibble on your shoulder, getting spat on or having someone fella run his mouth off at ya all game than getting someone's fist driving through your face - I think I know which option I'd prefer to be on the receiving end of.

The worst act I saw on a football pitch this summer was Mickey Burke of Meath attempting to take the head off a Dublin player in their Leinster Championship match, a real sneaky, cowardly blindside punch that the Dublin players was very lucky not to have his face broken up. There wasn't a peep made out about it though in the aftermath.

I don't like this kind of hierarchy of shame some people try to build around these acts, I can remember Hubby Hughes nearly decapitate one of the McEntees in the All Ireland final and Horse Devlin stamping on Colm Parkinson. Were they embarrassing too or is violence to heralded and verbals derided?


My opinion mouthing at other players is disgusting dont care who does it black card straight away something that has crept into our game really bad in the last 15 odd years...no one seems to want to do anything about its..we all know who does it in our own county its not hear say we have seen it out of our eyes down the years!!! Mickey did not stop it why?? Was/is he happy enough with it???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
People get far too carried away with the mouthing, it's not nice but it happens in every competitive sport and has done long before this Tyrone team came along!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on December 06, 2016, 07:56:22 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 05, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Beanman, did you see the Mayo match? Our defence needs to tone down the nastiness a notch or two. Some of the antics I witnessed (thinking of McNamee and McCarron mainly) were embarrassing and add the square root of f**k all to our game.

I like it, it brings an edge to the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 08:58:40 AM
Would love to see mouthing addressed a few cards and a suspension to follow would put an end to that sort of behaviour... What sort of an organisation are we turning into we challange every single sending off with an appeal we try to cheat and con our way through every game!! This is not Tyrone this is every club and County Team in Ireland....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
Most people don't like it but turn a blind eye to it when its their own team and whether we like it or not we have a bad name for it at this stage. I'm not so sure does Kerry, Dublin and Mayo use it as much as Ulster teams. I'd say Philly McMahon appears to talk a lot to his man, not so sure about Keegan.

It does seem strange that in one hand Mickey has them saying the rosary before games but then allows this nonsense to go on and does it really pay off that much.

Not much talk about Meyler now after him doing so well last year in the league. Are people not expecting him to kick on and get a starting place in that half forward line. How would he fair in at FF?
I remember some of ye saying he was very poor in the Tyrone league & championship this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on December 06, 2016, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
Most people don't like it but turn a blind eye to it when its their own team and whether we like it or not we have a bad name for it at this stage. I'm not so sure does Kerry, Dublin and Mayo use it as much as Ulster teams. I'd say Philly McMahon appears to talk a lot to his man, not so sure about Keegan.

It does seem strange that in one hand Mickey has them saying the rosary before games but then allows this nonsense to go on and does it really pay off that much.

Not much talk about Meyler now after him doing so well last year in the league. Are people not expecting him to kick on and get a starting place in that half forward line. How would he fair in at FF?
I remember some of ye saying he was very poor in the Tyrone league & championship this year.

I see no connection in these two things.
Anyone who thinks Mickey Harte is responsible for or can put an end to sledging is living in a cave on mars.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 12:33:58 PM
Mickey is the team manager and if he wanted to stop it he just warns the players that if anybody is seen doing it then they will be taken off and not played any more. It's one of these wink and a nudge things that managers do. They say one thing but what they do is very different.
Of course I understand there will always be things that go on in games that are unsightly or outside the rules but it looked like last year that Tyrone upped the sledging for the match against Mayo and a I would say Harte never commented on it to his players afterwards.
If the manager doesn't condemn it then it will continue to grow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on December 06, 2016, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 12:33:58 PM
Mickey is the team manager and if he wanted to stop it he just warns the players that if anybody is seen doing it then they will be taken off and not played any more. It's one of these wink and a nudge things that managers do. They say one thing but what they do is very different.
Of course I understand there will always be things that go on in games that are unsightly or outside the rules but it looked like last year that Tyrone upped the sledging for the match against Mayo and a I would say Harte never commented on it to his players afterwards.
If the manager doesn't condemn it then it will continue to grow.

If Mickey Harte starts acting like he's their mother Tyrone will be in big trouble.
It's 30+ highly charged and highly motivated men he's dealing with in a very tense situation not an U12 school team at a blitz.
If we sit back and look at this with honesty instead of the feigned outrage of an RTE panel and INM columnist we might get somewhere.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 06, 2016, 01:02:31 PM
every manager is responsible for how his team plays/conducts themselves. thats what they are there for. id say the sledging has got worse with tyrone since mickey took in gavin devlin and the only way to stamp it out is to get rid of both of them. bring in a new manager to make our great county the envy of all others because be under no illusion, the sledging and shit thats goes on is totally counter productive. when rte/gaa is against you then every ref in the country is too, as weve seen already in a number of big games in croke park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on December 06, 2016, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 06, 2016, 01:02:31 PM
every manager is responsible for how his team plays/conducts themselves. thats what they are there for. id say the sledging has got worse with tyrone since mickey took in gavin devlin and the only way to stamp it out is to get rid of both of them. bring in a new manager to make our great county the envy of all others because be under no illusion, the sledging and shit thats goes on is totally counter productive. when rte/gaa is against you then every ref in the country is too, as weve seen already in a number of big games in croke park.

That's some leap.

RTE are unaccountable in Tyrone as there are no licence fee payers in Tyrone. They couldn't care less about Tyrone. Dublin is where they are mostly accountable but for GAA related shows it changes. Dublin, Kerry, Cork etc is where their target GAA audience is. Not Tyrone. Tyrone audience is expendable. The same for INM.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 03:23:38 PM
Vallankumous, it's not just RTE panel but you can see on here, those of us that are honest enough to admit that we see it going on and we wish it would stop. Whilst I know SouthTyroneGael is on a mission to get rid of Mickey I do agree with him that it seems to have got worse since Horse has come into the fray.

I realise it's too easy for us sitting at our keyboards to judge and I appreciate the hard work and intensity the players have to operate under in tough competitive games but I just don't think it needs to go on to the level we've seen the last few years against Donegal for example. Kerry and Dublin have a huge rivalry but you don't see the same sledging going on in those games in my opinion. Maybe so between Donaghy and McMahon.

Even if they toned it down a bit without the obvious roaring in players faces.

Maybe Mickey uses it for the siege mentality effect to motivate the players. If everyone hates us then we will raise our game and play better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on December 06, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
Fair point Beanman, Just really has ramped up the verbal etc over the last number of years. Ironically enough he's one of the most civil lads you could meet.

For me the verbals  are a waste of oxygen and focus. After our game the dub defenders hit hard and fair and I didn't witness one element of verbals at all. If I was a donegal attacker that wold would hurt more. If the defender proceeded to scream in my face after the ball had gone I'd fight ten times harder when the next ball comes in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on December 06, 2016, 08:46:33 PM
I can't get over the yapping about 'sledging' that goes on.  I remember every sport I have played from a young age having slabbers involved, nothing new and if someone reacts to it then that's their problem.  How someone gets to adult football in this country and doesn't let slabbering run off their backs is beyond me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 06, 2016, 09:12:27 PM
Back to the football. I missed ronan mcnabb on my team for next year that I named earlier. He could be an option at full back after Sunday's league final. Worth a go anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 06, 2016, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 06, 2016, 09:12:27 PM
Back to the football. I missed ronan mcnabb on my team for next year that I named earlier. He could be an option at full back after Sunday's league final. Worth a go anyway

Are you still playing Monroe in 2 positions?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 06, 2016, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 06, 2016, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 06, 2016, 09:12:27 PM
Back to the football. I missed ronan mcnabb on my team for next year that I named earlier. He could be an option at full back after Sunday's league final. Worth a go anyway

Are you still playing Monroe in 2 positions?

U must have missed the correction I made. Scroll back up, and turn ure notifications of
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how much respect you have for your mother
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how respect you have for your mother

Or how much respect you have for the bullshit people say to you on the football pitch, safe in the knowledge that that guy from the opposite end of the county doesn't know your mother and is just trying to wind you up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how respect you have for your mother

Or how much respect you have for the bullshit people say to you on the football pitch, safe in the knowledge that that guy from the opposite end of the county doesn't know your mother and is just trying to wind you up.


I dont care about any other sport, Gaa is my games does not seem to happen in Hurling, it is a road football has went over time and i hate it full stop dont care who does is it,it is completely wrong in my opinion....we are supposed to different than every other sport....all down to a bit of manners!!! Bring back the day when you could put manners in a man on the filed that needed it!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how respect you have for your mother

Or how much respect you have for the bullshit people say to you on the football pitch, safe in the knowledge that that guy from the opposite end of the county doesn't know your mother and is just trying to wind you up.


I dont care about any other sport, Gaa is my games does not seem to happen in Hurling, it is a road football has went over time and i hate it full stop dont care who does is it,it is completely wrong in my opinion....we are supposed to different than every other sport....all down to a bit of manners!!! Bring back the day when you could put manners in a man on the filed that needed it!!!

Yep, break someone's jaw! Much better!

Teams will have guys who are happy to throw their fists around and they will also have people who are happy to give a bit of verbal abuse. If you prefer the punching then that's fine. A mate of mine got his two front teeth knocked out when a guy punched him from behind during a game when he was around 21. (He wasn't the type of guy to give verbals by the way and didn't deserve the slap) He's in his 40s now and still faces regular dental bills of up to £1000 to sort his teeth out. I'd be fairly confident that he'd have preferred that guy to call him a name or make a silly mother jibe at him instead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how respect you have for your mother

Or how much respect you have for the bullshit people say to you on the football pitch, safe in the knowledge that that guy from the opposite end of the county doesn't know your mother and is just trying to wind you up.


I dont care about any other sport, Gaa is my games does not seem to happen in Hurling, it is a road football has went over time and i hate it full stop dont care who does is it,it is completely wrong in my opinion....we are supposed to different than every other sport....all down to a bit of manners!!! Bring back the day when you could put manners in a man on the filed that needed it!!!

Yep, break someone's jaw! Much better!

Teams will have guys who are happy to throw their fists around and they will also have people who are happy to give a bit of verbal abuse. If you prefer the punching then that's fine. A mate of mine got his two front teeth knocked out when a guy punched him from behind during a game when he was around 21. (He wasn't the type of guy to give verbals by the way and didn't deserve the slap) He's in his 40s now and still faces regular dental bills of up to £1000 to sort his teeth out. I'd be fairly confident that he'd have preferred that guy to call him a name or make a silly mother jibe at him instead.

Hitting a man cold is different than slapping a man that needs it for slabbering...maybe i am old school and the modern way i have to accept, i played senior football for my club for 15 years covering 70's 80's and early 90's and slabbering on the field was very little to zero maybe twice in that whole time did i hear of anything and it was swiftly dealt with..maybe society in general had more respect in them days....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:58:51 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how respect you have for your mother

Or how much respect you have for the bullshit people say to you on the football pitch, safe in the knowledge that that guy from the opposite end of the county doesn't know your mother and is just trying to wind you up.


I dont care about any other sport, Gaa is my games does not seem to happen in Hurling, it is a road football has went over time and i hate it full stop dont care who does is it,it is completely wrong in my opinion....we are supposed to different than every other sport....all down to a bit of manners!!! Bring back the day when you could put manners in a man on the filed that needed it!!!

Yep, break someone's jaw! Much better!

Teams will have guys who are happy to throw their fists around and they will also have people who are happy to give a bit of verbal abuse. If you prefer the punching then that's fine. A mate of mine got his two front teeth knocked out when a guy punched him from behind during a game when he was around 21. (He wasn't the type of guy to give verbals by the way and didn't deserve the slap) He's in his 40s now and still faces regular dental bills of up to £1000 to sort his teeth out. I'd be fairly confident that he'd have preferred that guy to call him a name or make a silly mother jibe at him instead.

Hitting a man cold is different than slapping a man that needs it for slabbering...maybe i am old school and the modern way i have to accept, i played senior football for my club for 15 years covering 70's 80's and early 90's and slabbering on the field was very little to zero maybe twice in that whole time did i hear of anything and it was swiftly dealt with..maybe society in general had more respect in them days....

I know what you mean - and I get what you are saying but in the 90s there where plenty of lads that I came across who were more than happy to tell you they would break your legs if you went near the ball etc. The specifics of the verbals may have changed but they were still there. There's a bit of rose tinted glasses when looking back and I find it hard to believe you only experienced any sort of verbals about twice in your career. Yes they may not have mentioned your mum...but verbal intimidation definitely did exist.

I would pose a question to you - its the mid 2000s, you are managing Tyrone, would you drop Ricey after he kept a star forward quiet but had indulged in a bit of verbals to achieve it? It was a big part of his game and he was unlikely to change. Would your principles of fair play mean that you wouldn't pick your best 15?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:58:51 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how respect you have for your mother

Or how much respect you have for the bullshit people say to you on the football pitch, safe in the knowledge that that guy from the opposite end of the county doesn't know your mother and is just trying to wind you up.


I dont care about any other sport, Gaa is my games does not seem to happen in Hurling, it is a road football has went over time and i hate it full stop dont care who does is it,it is completely wrong in my opinion....we are supposed to different than every other sport....all down to a bit of manners!!! Bring back the day when you could put manners in a man on the filed that needed it!!!

Yep, break someone's jaw! Much better!

Teams will have guys who are happy to throw their fists around and they will also have people who are happy to give a bit of verbal abuse. If you prefer the punching then that's fine. A mate of mine got his two front teeth knocked out when a guy punched him from behind during a game when he was around 21. (He wasn't the type of guy to give verbals by the way and didn't deserve the slap) He's in his 40s now and still faces regular dental bills of up to £1000 to sort his teeth out. I'd be fairly confident that he'd have preferred that guy to call him a name or make a silly mother jibe at him instead.

Hitting a man cold is different than slapping a man that needs it for slabbering...maybe i am old school and the modern way i have to accept, i played senior football for my club for 15 years covering 70's 80's and early 90's and slabbering on the field was very little to zero maybe twice in that whole time did i hear of anything and it was swiftly dealt with..maybe society in general had more respect in them days....

I know what you mean - and I get what you are saying but in the 90s there where plenty of lads that I came across who were more than happy to tell you they would break your legs if you went near the ball etc. The specifics of the verbals may have changed but they were still there. There's a bit of rose tinted glasses when looking back and I find it hard to believe you only experienced any sort of verbals about twice in your career. Yes they may not have mentioned your mum...but verbal intimidation definitely did exist.

I would pose a question to you - its the mid 2000s, you are managing Tyrone, would you drop Ricey after he kept a star forward quiet but had indulged in a bit of verbals to achieve it? It was a big part of his game and he was unlikely to change. Would your principles of fair play mean that you wouldn't pick your best 15?



I have never managed and have every sympathy for any manager trying to deal with type of stuff.... i would no complaints if that was the reason why any player was not played..... we are the same organisation that appealed his suspension when he could have broke a mans neck in front of millions of viewers and 80 odd thousand supporters..... its all wrong!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on December 07, 2016, 08:51:57 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:09 AM


I dont care about any other sport, Gaa is my games does not seem to happen in Hurling, it is a road football has went over time and i hate it full stop dont care who does is it,it is completely wrong in my opinion....we are supposed to different than every other sport....all down to a bit of manners!!! Bring back the day when you could put manners in a man on the filed that needed it!!!

Eh? the difference is not in the acts on the field in hurling it's the punditry, web forum and the bullshit off the field that's the difference.

Perhaps the fact that they wear helmets makes you believe this crap. Hurlers are often in each others faces. I'm not having a go at hurlers, i just think this debate has done beyond stupid. I don't understand the need for people to believe this crap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 07, 2016, 10:37:00 AM
Some of the stuff said, lads must be sick in the mind to come up with it, scum comments more suited to terraces of english soccer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on December 07, 2016, 04:47:24 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:58:51 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how respect you have for your mother

Or how much respect you have for the bullshit people say to you on the football pitch, safe in the knowledge that that guy from the opposite end of the county doesn't know your mother and is just trying to wind you up.


I dont care about any other sport, Gaa is my games does not seem to happen in Hurling, it is a road football has went over time and i hate it full stop dont care who does is it,it is completely wrong in my opinion....we are supposed to different than every other sport....all down to a bit of manners!!! Bring back the day when you could put manners in a man on the filed that needed it!!!

Yep, break someone's jaw! Much better!

Teams will have guys who are happy to throw their fists around and they will also have people who are happy to give a bit of verbal abuse. If you prefer the punching then that's fine. A mate of mine got his two front teeth knocked out when a guy punched him from behind during a game when he was around 21. (He wasn't the type of guy to give verbals by the way and didn't deserve the slap) He's in his 40s now and still faces regular dental bills of up to £1000 to sort his teeth out. I'd be fairly confident that he'd have preferred that guy to call him a name or make a silly mother jibe at him instead.

Hitting a man cold is different than slapping a man that needs it for slabbering...maybe i am old school and the modern way i have to accept, i played senior football for my club for 15 years covering 70's 80's and early 90's and slabbering on the field was very little to zero maybe twice in that whole time did i hear of anything and it was swiftly dealt with..maybe society in general had more respect in them days....

I know what you mean - and I get what you are saying but in the 90s there where plenty of lads that I came across who were more than happy to tell you they would break your legs if you went near the ball etc. The specifics of the verbals may have changed but they were still there. There's a bit of rose tinted glasses when looking back and I find it hard to believe you only experienced any sort of verbals about twice in your career. Yes they may not have mentioned your mum...but verbal intimidation definitely did exist.

I would pose a question to you - its the mid 2000s, you are managing Tyrone, would you drop Ricey after he kept a star forward quiet but had indulged in a bit of verbals to achieve it? It was a big part of his game and he was unlikely to change. Would your principles of fair play mean that you wouldn't pick your best 15?



I have never managed and have every sympathy for any manager trying to deal with type of stuff.... i would no complaints if that was the reason why any player was not played..... we are the same organisation that appealed his suspension when he could have broke a mans neck in front of millions of viewers and 80 odd thousand supporters..... its all wrong!!

Really?????????? :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 04:56:56 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on December 07, 2016, 04:47:24 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 08:49:39 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:58:51 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2016, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 06, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2016, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on December 06, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
So slabbering and insulting all in sundry is ok then...

Jesus wept! Insulting all in sundry??  ::)

I was at a sportsmans dinner a few years ago. A few legends of cricket, soccer,  rugby league and union were there. There was a Q&A and someone asked about sledging stories and they happily regaled stories of a range of "abuse" they experienced during their careers, all of which were very funny. Unbelievably, none of the guys were mentally scarred, none of the guys were injured as a result, none of them seemed to give a shite about what was said to them and accepted it as part of the competitive nature of the sports they played. Some guys are mouthy, some guys aren't, it's been part and parcel of competitive team sport since competitive team sport began. And believe or not, even long before this Tyrone team came along! It may look a bit unsavory at times but it's not Mickey Harte or the Tyrone teams responsibility to clean this out of the game (and if you seriously think every single team in every single county in Ireland doesn't mouth at each other then you must have never played the game) and I couldn't care less if the players do it or not.

Rubbish lad - most players dont do it and many teams dont and is the work of a sc**bag to make lewd comments about an opponents mother etc... and I have played the game

I didn't say most players did it but nearly every team in Ireland has a player who slabbers. And really? The mother shit is as old as the hills, does it actually upset people?

I bet over on the Dublin page they aren't slagging off their own players for mouthing! In fact I think you could probably trawl quite a few fans pages on forums of a range of sports before you come across a bunch of supporters who do so much hand wringing about the level of sledging their team do!

i suppose it depends on how respect you have for your mother

Or how much respect you have for the bullshit people say to you on the football pitch, safe in the knowledge that that guy from the opposite end of the county doesn't know your mother and is just trying to wind you up.


I dont care about any other sport, Gaa is my games does not seem to happen in Hurling, it is a road football has went over time and i hate it full stop dont care who does is it,it is completely wrong in my opinion....we are supposed to different than every other sport....all down to a bit of manners!!! Bring back the day when you could put manners in a man on the filed that needed it!!!

Yep, break someone's jaw! Much better!

Teams will have guys who are happy to throw their fists around and they will also have people who are happy to give a bit of verbal abuse. If you prefer the punching then that's fine. A mate of mine got his two front teeth knocked out when a guy punched him from behind during a game when he was around 21. (He wasn't the type of guy to give verbals by the way and didn't deserve the slap) He's in his 40s now and still faces regular dental bills of up to £1000 to sort his teeth out. I'd be fairly confident that he'd have preferred that guy to call him a name or make a silly mother jibe at him instead.

Hitting a man cold is different than slapping a man that needs it for slabbering...maybe i am old school and the modern way i have to accept, i played senior football for my club for 15 years covering 70's 80's and early 90's and slabbering on the field was very little to zero maybe twice in that whole time did i hear of anything and it was swiftly dealt with..maybe society in general had more respect in them days....

I know what you mean - and I get what you are saying but in the 90s there where plenty of lads that I came across who were more than happy to tell you they would break your legs if you went near the ball etc. The specifics of the verbals may have changed but they were still there. There's a bit of rose tinted glasses when looking back and I find it hard to believe you only experienced any sort of verbals about twice in your career. Yes they may not have mentioned your mum...but verbal intimidation definitely did exist.

I would pose a question to you - its the mid 2000s, you are managing Tyrone, would you drop Ricey after he kept a star forward quiet but had indulged in a bit of verbals to achieve it? It was a big part of his game and he was unlikely to change. Would your principles of fair play mean that you wouldn't pick your best 15?



I have never managed and have every sympathy for any manager trying to deal with type of stuff.... i would no complaints if that was the reason why any player was not played..... we are the same organisation that appealed his suspension when he could have broke a mans neck in front of millions of viewers and 80 odd thousand supporters..... its all wrong!!

Really?????????? :-X :-X :-X :-X

i might start shortly....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on December 07, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
IMO the standard, conditioning and dedication of the players has never been better, if a bit of bite, hard hits, mouthing is apart of the game then I think it adds to it, getting annoyed by it is too sensitive, it has been going on in cricket, rugby, boxing, NFL, NBA, NHL for decades by all the so-called greats, Michael Jordan was one of the worst mouthpieces, Muhammed Ali etc etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on December 07, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 06, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
Fair point Beanman, Just really has ramped up the verbal etc over the last number of years. Ironically enough he's one of the most civil lads you could meet.

For me the verbals  are a waste of oxygen and focus. After our game the dub defenders hit hard and fair and I didn't witness one element of verbals at all. If I was a donegal attacker that wold would hurt more. If the defender proceeded to scream in my face after the ball had gone I'd fight ten times harder when the next ball comes in.

I totally agree with you Omagh.  Justy is a civil fella,  most players are when not wearing the jersey.  Better to spend the energy being productive.  No need to rile McBrearty, Murphy, McManus, O Connor etc, they are the kind of players who do not shrink from the challenge and will only try harder to make ye look the fool.  Forwards loose heart when dispossessed, made to shoot under pressure or even better have a limited supply of good ball going in.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 08, 2016, 10:52:56 AM
It's one thing turning a blind eye to maybe one or two players who yap to the man their marking but it's different when you get half your team shouting in people's faces, trying to get them sent off and this general win at ALL COSTS attitude.
I think we've seen it quite a bit in games between Donegal, ourselves and Monaghan where there is a nastiness running through the whole game and it makes for a horrible spectacle. In fairness I thought we cut out a lot of that nonsense last year, even in the tense Ulster final there didn't seem to be as much sledging but I thought we did bring it back into our game v Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 08, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 08, 2016, 10:52:56 AM
It's one thing turning a blind eye to maybe one or two players who yap to the man their marking but it's different when you get half your team shouting in people's faces, trying to get them sent off and this general win at ALL COSTS attitude.
I think we've seen it quite a bit in games between Donegal, ourselves and Monaghan where there is a nastiness running through the whole game and it makes for a horrible spectacle. In fairness I thought we cut out a lot of that nonsense last year, even in the tense Ulster final there didn't seem to be as much sledging but I thought we did bring it back into our game v Mayo.

Sledging is a bit harmless in all reality unless it spills over into some very personal matters.

Personally I'd prefer our lads mouthing off at the opposition heads than constantly cribbing to the referee and putting undue pressure on him like the likes of Cillian O'Connor, Colm Boyle, Gooch, Donaghy do on a regular basis.

It's only a big deal because it's Tyrone though. We shouldn't have to operate ourselves under different standards than the rest, we've been unfairly given this image of dirty, underhand, cheating scum by large sections of the Southern media over the last 10 years. We constantly have our incidents magnified and recorded when they happen yet when other sides are involved in similar incidents they are brushed under the rug.

I get quite annoyed when I see certain people, particularly inside the county, always looking for us to behave to a standard no other county has to because we're a successful side from the north. Why should we have to play with our hands tied behind our backs while the rest don't? We'll do what we've always done and push the line to the same limit the other teams do, if the media want to spin that to our image, let them, the best way we can stuff it to them is going out and winning games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 09, 2016, 01:03:32 PM
How do you think we'll fare in Div 1 this year lads?
Having won Ulster this year I think it would benefit this young team if they really went all out to win a league title. 2003 was our last one which is surprising as Mickey says he wants to win all competitions.
Can you imagine if we beat the Dubs in the league final how that would set the mood for the championship season ahead?

Looking back at 2015 when we were last in Div 1 we lost badly to Monaghan, beat Mayo away, drew with Dublin, lost to Cork and Donegal and drew with Kerry in Omagh. McCurry, Sean and McAliskey were our top scorers that year. McCurry seems to have fallen back behind some of the upcoming U21s from that year and hopefully we'll see Mickey play Lee Brennan a bit more this year.

We would hope to get off to a good start with a home game to Roscommon in our first match although they started last year very well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 10, 2016, 08:07:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 09, 2016, 01:03:32 PM
How do you think we'll fare in Div 1 this year lads?
Having won Ulster this year I think it would benefit this young team if they really went all out to win a league title. 2003 was our last one which is surprising as Mickey says he wants to win all competitions.
Can you imagine if we beat the Dubs in the league final how that would set the mood for the championship season ahead?

Looking back at 2015 when we were last in Div 1 we lost badly to Monaghan, beat Mayo away, drew with Dublin, lost to Cork and Donegal and drew with Kerry in Omagh. McCurry, Sean and McAliskey were our top scorers that year. McCurry seems to have fallen back behind some of the upcoming U21s from that year and hopefully we'll see Mickey play Lee Brennan a bit more this year.

We would hope to get off to a good start with a home game to Roscommon in our first match although they started last year very well.

No semi-finals this year so it's top two who face off for the league.

I'd be expecting a strong showing, I'd say out of the big 4/5 sides we will be the ones who want it the most, it will be good test for some of the more experienced players who broke into the squad in the last 2 years.

Hopefully the new recruits get a chance to shine tomorrow, think we have 7 of the established players involved with Ulster this weekend so should be a good chance for the others.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on December 11, 2016, 03:53:02 PM
Tyrone best Louth 2-19 to 14 points today.  Meet Armagh next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 11, 2016, 10:31:39 PM
What really is the point of the O'Fiaich Cup? Is the GAA afraid county football afraid will be out of the limelight for a few weeks?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on December 11, 2016, 10:47:20 PM
I don't think it's organised by the GAA per se more of an invitational tournament hosted by Cross. Much in the same vein as pitch openings, charity matches etc etc. I wouldn't get too worked up about glorified friendly matches really.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on December 11, 2016, 11:04:36 PM
Obviously the ban on December football has gone?  Didn't see Amy official announcement tho?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on December 11, 2016, 11:36:21 PM
Anyone up at the game today to see how any of the new lads got on? The Dazzler seemed to do most of the scoring,  still think he's probably our best/ most proven forward when on form. Interesting that Ronan O'Neill was captain although I suppose there wasn't too many experienced alternatives. Also seen Lee Brennan just got one point from play which should be a bit of a reality check for anyone who thinks he's going to immediately cure all of Tyrone's problems at just 19 years of age
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 12, 2016, 12:14:47 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on December 11, 2016, 11:36:21 PM
Anyone up at the game today to see how any of the new lads got on? The Dazzler seemed to do most of the scoring,  still think he's probably our best/ most proven forward when on form. Interesting that Ronan O'Neill was captain although I suppose there wasn't too many experienced alternatives. Also seen Lee Brennan just got one point from play which should be a bit of a reality check for anyone who thinks he's going to immediately cure all of Tyrone's problems at just 19 years of age

Two points for Brennan but I agree with what you're saying, he needs to be treated with care and too much shouldn't be expected to soon.

Going by the line up I thought a few of the positional choices strange.

Clarke at wing back
McKenna at centre back
Cassidy at corner back
K McGeary at wing forward

Now possibly they didn't play there in those positions but I would have Cassidy and McKenna further up the field, Clarke in a more central role and McGeary at wing back.

Is Loughran injured, he was the only one of the new faces who didn't get a run out today?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 12, 2016, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 12, 2016, 12:14:47 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on December 11, 2016, 11:36:21 PM
Anyone up at the game today to see how any of the new lads got on? The Dazzler seemed to do most of the scoring,  still think he's probably our best/ most proven forward when on form. Interesting that Ronan O'Neill was captain although I suppose there wasn't too many experienced alternatives. Also seen Lee Brennan just got one point from play which should be a bit of a reality check for anyone who thinks he's going to immediately cure all of Tyrone's problems at just 19 years of age

Two points for Brennan but I agree with what you're saying, he needs to be treated with care and too much shouldn't be expected to soon.

Going by the line up I thought a few of the positional choices strange.

Clarke at wing back
McKenna at centre back
Cassidy at corner back
K McGeary at wing forward

Now possibly they didn't play there in those positions but I would have Cassidy and McKenna further up the field, Clarke in a more central role and McGeary at wing back.

Is Loughran injured, he was the only one of the new faces who didn't get a run out today?
And you're the man who keeps telling us that mickey knows best !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 12, 2016, 02:40:33 AM
Quote from: In hiding on December 12, 2016, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 12, 2016, 12:14:47 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on December 11, 2016, 11:36:21 PM
Anyone up at the game today to see how any of the new lads got on? The Dazzler seemed to do most of the scoring,  still think he's probably our best/ most proven forward when on form. Interesting that Ronan O'Neill was captain although I suppose there wasn't too many experienced alternatives. Also seen Lee Brennan just got one point from play which should be a bit of a reality check for anyone who thinks he's going to immediately cure all of Tyrone's problems at just 19 years of age

Two points for Brennan but I agree with what you're saying, he needs to be treated with care and too much shouldn't be expected to soon.

Going by the line up I thought a few of the positional choices strange.

Clarke at wing back
McKenna at centre back
Cassidy at corner back
K McGeary at wing forward

Now possibly they didn't play there in those positions but I would have Cassidy and McKenna further up the field, Clarke in a more central role and McGeary at wing back.

Is Loughran injured, he was the only one of the new faces who didn't get a run out today?
And you're the man who keeps telling us that mickey knows best !

Yes, why isn't Mickey playing his full strength team? This isn't the competition to be experimenting with players and positions. 🙄
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 12, 2016, 09:53:11 AM
Any reports , scorers ?  apart from McCurry 1-9 I think
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 12, 2016, 09:56:38 AM
Was any of ye at it? How did McShane play at MF or did he not line out there? Did we play our usual 14 men behind the ball or was it a bit more direct?

From the Irish News.

HOLDERS Tyrone set up an intriguing O Fiaich Cup final showdown with rivals Armagh after they had far too much firepower for Louth at St Oliver Plunkett Park yesterday.

Darren McCurry led the way for an experimental Red Hand outfit, bagging 1-9 as they won this repeat of last year's O Fiaich Cup final, with Ronan O'Neill grabbing the second of their two majors after the break.

Without a number of regulars, Mickey Harte handed debuts to Ruairi Mullan, Michael Cassidy, Declan McClure and Cahir McCullagh, and also welcomed back long-term injury absentees Conor Clarke and Niall McKenna.

The Tyrone boss will have been encouraged by the performances of Jonathan Munroe at wing-back, while Conor Meyler – back in county colours after a hamstring injury curtailed his Championship summer – and Cathal McShane showed plenty of energy and enthusiasm.

Clarke showed he still has plenty of offer when he burst forward to launch an attack that ended with O'Neill splitting the posts to put the Red Hands 0-3 to 0-1 ahead, with McCurry unerring in front of the posts as Tyrone moved into a four point lead just after the quarter hour mark.

But Louth's direct approach was paying dividends on occasion and, inspired by the free-taking of Jim McEnaney, Colin Kelly's men got back to within two points 26 minutes in, Padraig Rath – a black card replacement for James Stewart – also catching the eye.

Scores from McShane and Lee Brennan sent Tyrone in at the break 0-10 to 0-6 ahead, and O'Neill's 41st minute goal – fisted to the net after a high ball bounced invitingly – gave the Ulster men a cushion early in the second half.

Louth continued to battle, with Paraic Smyth's 55-metre effort the best of the day, but when McCurry rifled home Tyrone's second major five minutes from time it ensured Mickey Harte's side could now look forward to a pre-Christmas meeting with their old rivals this Sunday

MATCH STATS
Tyrone: M O'Neill; R Mullan, HP McGeary, M Cassidy; C Clarke, N McKenna, J Munroe (0-1); D McClure, C McShane (0-3); C Meyler, R O'Neill (1-2, 0-1 free), K McGeary; D McCurry (1-9, 0-6 frees), C McCullagh (0-1), L Brennan (0-2). Subs: R McHugh (0-1) for K McGeary (h-t), F Burns for McCullagh (64)
Louth: N Gallagher; A Williams, J Bingham, K Carr; D Maguire, J Stewart, L Dullaghan; A McDonnell (0-1), C Martin (0-1); C McKeever, P Smyth (0-1), C Brannigan (0-1); G McSorley, J McEnaney (0-3, frees), T Durnin. Subs: P Rath (0-1) for Stewart (16), D Byrne (0-2) for Durnin (h-t), R Holcroft (0-4, 0-3 frees) for McEnaney (h-t), D Marks for Dullaghan (50), T McKenna for Martin (56), D Finn for Carr (62). Black card: J Stewart replaced by P Rath (16)
Ref: P Hughes (Armagh)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: mick999 on December 12, 2016, 10:00:14 AM
Teamtalk interview with Mickey :

http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/12/video-mickey-harte-ofiaich-cup-v-louth/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 12, 2016, 12:53:33 PM
Peter Harte scored 1.08 yesterday and I notice he was hitting some of the frees.
I'd like to see him take back this job for Tyrone as his confidence must be high.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/campbells-fivestar-show-helps-ulster-advance-35285819.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 12, 2016, 06:03:51 PM
alot of discussion on here recently about the possible benefit of giving niall mc kenna a go at full forward.  mickey thinks he is more of a centre half back. lol  clueless and pointless.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 12, 2016, 06:35:43 PM
Sure the whole forward line now play on their own 40
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 12, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
true. guess it makes no difference who plays where and when if the system is rubbish. notice tyrone had 7 players on the ulster squad yest plus the o fiach cup game. kerry and dublin made no players available. priorities different i suppose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on December 13, 2016, 07:02:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 12, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
true. guess it makes no difference who plays where and when if the system is rubbish. notice tyrone had 7 players on the ulster squad yest plus the o fiach cup game. kerry and dublin made no players available. priorities different i suppose.

This can't be right because Aidan O'Mahony and Tommy Walsh both played for certain
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 13, 2016, 07:41:28 PM
Usual clowns on here crying, season hasn't even begun
Anyone up at garvaghy on Saturday. Seen a few donegal in awe of the setup we have and the structures we have in place. 10 years ahead of them was what was remarked. Kieran Shannon wrote a good piece on it.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/never-standing-still-tyrone-are-preparing-to-kick-on-again-434997.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 13, 2016, 07:52:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 13, 2016, 07:41:28 PM
Usual clowns on here crying, season hasn't even begun
Anyone up at garvaghy on Saturday. Seen a few donegal in awe of the setup we have and the structures we have in place. 10 years ahead of them was what was remarked. Kieran Shannon wrote a good piece on it.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/never-standing-still-tyrone-are-preparing-to-kick-on-again-434997.html
Aye we are class aren't we
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 13, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
pile of shite. dont know what the point was havin tyrone players at dave alreds kicking seminar when all they are ever gonna do is run and fist pass the ball in games. garvaghy might be a magnificent setup but it wont ever gloss over how poor our current football style is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 13, 2016, 10:30:17 PM
It was about more than kicking but sure u know best. As always
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 13, 2016, 10:37:09 PM
according to the article kicking was the main component of it. i dont say i know best i just say what my eyes see when tyrone play these days
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on December 14, 2016, 08:06:10 AM
Yeah kicking as in place kicking! If you knew anything about Dave Alred you'd know he is a specialist kicking coach I.e kicking at goal. You probably didn't even read the article at all or know anything about this fella.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 14, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 13, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
pile of shite. dont know what the point was havin tyrone players at dave alreds kicking seminar when all they are ever gonna do is run and fist pass the ball in games. garvaghy might be a magnificent setup but it wont ever gloss over how poor our current football style is.

You really don't have a clue!  ;D No doubt a previous rant of yours was about our lack of free takers?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on December 14, 2016, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 13, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
pile of shite. dont know what the point was havin tyrone players at dave alreds kicking seminar when all they are ever gonna do is run and fist pass the ball in games. garvaghy might be a magnificent setup but it wont ever gloss over how poor our current football style is.

Do you or have you played football at a high level ? Never seen a negative man like you, Tyrone are up there with the top counties and you don't get behind them. Better off saying nothing if you have nothing good to say "MOUTH"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 14, 2016, 09:24:47 AM
Was glad to read that they brought in this coach to try work on kicking and hitting frees.
Like I said before I'd really like to see Peter Harte going back to hitting our frees as confidence is a big part of it and usually now Ronan, McAliskey and McCurry all struggle in games with the blanket defence which in turn affects their confidence.

I presume Morgan has a high success rate in training. Does he miss many at club level?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 14, 2016, 09:43:34 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 14, 2016, 09:24:47 AM
Was glad to read that they brought in this coach to try work on kicking and hitting frees.
Like I said before I'd really like to see Peter Harte going back to hitting our frees as confidence is a big part of it and usually now Ronan, McAliskey and McCurry all struggle in games with the blanket defence which in turn affects their confidence.

I presume Morgan has a high success rate in training. Does he miss many at club level?
He is a goalie - has no right to be at that end of the field. Disrupting forward momentum.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on December 14, 2016, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 14, 2016, 09:24:47 AM
Was glad to read that they brought in this coach to try work on kicking and hitting frees.
Like I said before I'd really like to see Peter Harte going back to hitting our frees as confidence is a big part of it and usually now Ronan, McAliskey and McCurry all struggle in games with the blanket defence which in turn affects their confidence.

I presume Morgan has a high success rate in training. Does he miss many at club level?

Peter Harte was the left footed free taker in last year championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on December 14, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
Any thoughts on our Chair's speech last night at convention. Looking to build our own stadium in Tyrone!  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 14, 2016, 11:26:23 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on December 14, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
Any thoughts on our Chair's speech last night at convention. Looking to build our own stadium in Tyrone!  :o

Very bizarre suggestion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 14, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
From our 5 championship games last year, we averaged just over only 3 scores from frees per game.
Ronan scored 5, McAliskey 4, Morgan and Harte 3 each and McCurry just the one.

Was she thinking about Cork and their new stadium? Does he mean to develop Healy park more or build a whole new one?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on December 14, 2016, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 14, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
From our 5 championship games last year, we averaged just over only 3 scores from frees per game.
Ronan scored 5, McAliskey 4, Morgan and Harte 3 each and McCurry just the one.

Was she thinking about Cork and their new stadium? Does he mean to develop Healy park more or build a whole new one?

Not develop Healy Park, build a complete new stadium along a main arterial route in Tyrone. Strange to say the least!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on December 14, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on December 14, 2016, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 14, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
From our 5 championship games last year, we averaged just over only 3 scores from frees per game.
Ronan scored 5, McAliskey 4, Morgan and Harte 3 each and McCurry just the one.

Was she thinking about Cork and their new stadium? Does he mean to develop Healy park more or build a whole new one?

Not develop Healy Park, build a complete new stadium along a main arterial route in Tyrone. Strange to say the least!

Perhaps worth talking about as a 'ready' project should Casement Park fall through and the Executive & central council is paying for it. Apart from that, I see no reason for a new stadium in Tyrone when many club pitches could do with some help.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 14, 2016, 11:56:46 AM
The Morgan free taking plan has crashed dismally - there has to be a forward who can take a free.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 14, 2016, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on December 14, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on December 14, 2016, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 14, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
From our 5 championship games last year, we averaged just over only 3 scores from frees per game.
Ronan scored 5, McAliskey 4, Morgan and Harte 3 each and McCurry just the one.

Was she thinking about Cork and their new stadium? Does he mean to develop Healy park more or build a whole new one?

Not develop Healy Park, build a complete new stadium along a main arterial route in Tyrone. Strange to say the least!

Perhaps worth talking about as a 'ready' project should Casement Park fall through and the Executive & central council is paying for it. Apart from that, I see no reason for a new stadium in Tyrone when many club pitches could do with some help.

That's my thoughts too. A new stadium will again suck all EU (!), Cross border, Croke Park and executive money coming into Tyrone GAA into this project in much the same was Garvaghey did. Now it's time to let this money filter to the Clubs and all them to develop/ survive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 14, 2016, 01:05:42 PM
It is not currently needed.  However I welcome this thought from the chair - I  think its forward thinking and the debate needs to start on this.  With the Dubs success being powered by larger contributions from Croke Park in 10 years time we want to be having 18 - 30K + at all home league and championship games.,  Theres a fanatical interest in supporting the county if the clubs are used in this process correctly and rightly - if that is where this is coming from.  If the stadium can be a sustainable model ultimately sending money back to the clubs, paying for county set ups and can gain appropriate funding then I think it would be a great thing.  As an eastern Tyrone supporter I really dont think Omagh is the spot for it either, it needs to be Dungannon or Ballygawley and I think Dungannon offers more.  It has to be based on an income generating model post funding.   I assume they will get Casement right second time around but if it fails everyone need a fall back and the fall back is more than likely Mid Ulster. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 14, 2016, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on December 14, 2016, 01:05:42 PM
It is not currently needed.  However I welcome this thought from the chair - I  think its forward thinking and the debate needs to start on this.  With the Dubs success being powered by larger contributions from Croke Park in 10 years time we want to be having 18 - 30K + at all home league and championship games.,  Theres a fanatical interest in supporting the county if the clubs are used in this process correctly and rightly - if that is where this is coming from.  If the stadium can be a sustainable model ultimately sending money back to the clubs, paying for county set ups and can gain appropriate funding then I think it would be a great thing.  As an eastern Tyrone supporter I really dont think Omagh is the spot for it either, it needs to be Dungannon or Ballygawley and I think Dungannon offers more.  It has to be based on an income generating model post funding.   I assume they will get Casement right second time around but if it fails everyone need a fall back and the fall back is more than likely Mid Ulster.

Some good points there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 14, 2016, 01:31:42 PM
Next debate.  The area of Mid Ulster needs a hotel.  This stadium needs a Jurys link up. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 14, 2016, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 14, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 13, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
pile of shite. dont know what the point was havin tyrone players at dave alreds kicking seminar when all they are ever gonna do is run and fist pass the ball in games. garvaghy might be a magnificent setup but it wont ever gloss over how poor our current football style is.

You really don't have a clue!  ;D No doubt a previous rant of yours was about our lack of free takers?
when did i ever say we have no free takers? quite the opposite, we have plenty of good freetakers, o neill, mc curry, harte , brennan, mc aliskey, bradley. the problem is our style of play is draining their confidence. alot of guys on here arent looking at the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 14, 2016, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on December 14, 2016, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 13, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
pile of shite. dont know what the point was havin tyrone players at dave alreds kicking seminar when all they are ever gonna do is run and fist pass the ball in games. garvaghy might be a magnificent setup but it wont ever gloss over how poor our current football style is.

Do you or have you played football at a high level ? Never seen a negative man like you, Tyrone are up there with the top counties and you don't get behind them. Better off saying nothing if you have nothing good to say "MOUTH"
ah yeah pretend everything is hunky dory and say nothing. the top counties are dublin, mayo and kerry. tyrone havent beaten any of them in 6 attempts since 08 so we are not up there with them. we deffo have the potential but are not realising it and people need to wake up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 14, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 14, 2016, 09:24:47 AM
Was glad to read that they brought in this coach to try work on kicking and hitting frees.
Like I said before I'd really like to see Peter Harte going back to hitting our frees as confidence is a big part of it and usually now Ronan, McAliskey and McCurry all struggle in games with the blanket defence which in turn affects their confidence.

I presume Morgan has a high success rate in training. Does he miss many at club level?

Same as County. Scores when teams winning by 5 or 6. Never nails them when it's needed

And as for rrhf he ain't a Goalie. Plays Midfield. Not even the best Keeper in Edendork
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on December 14, 2016, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 14, 2016, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on December 14, 2016, 01:05:42 PM
It is not currently needed.  However I welcome this thought from the chair - I  think its forward thinking and the debate needs to start on this.  With the Dubs success being powered by larger contributions from Croke Park in 10 years time we want to be having 18 - 30K + at all home league and championship games.,  Theres a fanatical interest in supporting the county if the clubs are used in this process correctly and rightly - if that is where this is coming from.  If the stadium can be a sustainable model ultimately sending money back to the clubs, paying for county set ups and can gain appropriate funding then I think it would be a great thing.  As an eastern Tyrone supporter I really dont think Omagh is the spot for it either, it needs to be Dungannon or Ballygawley and I think Dungannon offers more.  It has to be based on an income generating model post funding.   I assume they will get Casement right second time around but if it fails everyone need a fall back and the fall back is more than likely Mid Ulster.

Some good points there.

I am not against a new stadium or good county venue in the east even though it was suggested for Ballygawley. Although should we not tackle a couple of other issues firts.  Why was fixtures not addressed? Why was there not a number of apologies from the chairwoman. Messed up county final replay. Messed up the junior final. Constant mess up of league fixtures.
You might say this was the CCC's fault but someone has to take responsibility and Roisin is currently the boss.

All this was, was a distraction from the horrible job she has done since taking chair.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 14, 2016, 10:57:40 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 14, 2016, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on December 14, 2016, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 13, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
pile of shite. dont know what the point was havin tyrone players at dave alreds kicking seminar when all they are ever gonna do is run and fist pass the ball in games. garvaghy might be a magnificent setup but it wont ever gloss over how poor our current football style is.

Do you or have you played football at a high level ? Never seen a negative man like you, Tyrone are up there with the top counties and you don't get behind them. Better off saying nothing if you have nothing good to say "MOUTH"
ah yeah pretend everything is hunky dory and say nothing. the top counties are dublin, mayo and kerry. tyrone havent beaten any of them in 6 attempts since 08 so we are not up there with them. we deffo have the potential but are not realising it and people need to wake up.

Did it ever cross your mind that Tyrone maybe haven't been good enough to beat those teams since 08? We didn't have much joy in the 100 years before 03 so maybe just maybe it isn't that unrealistic that after we had to move on from our greatest team ever that we couldn't get back to that level el straight away.

Maybe just maybe Mickey Harte has got the best out of the players to keep us a competitive top 8 team since 08. Two all Ireland semi places in recent years and an Ulster title last year with only one defeat in the year by a point might suggest he's building another decent team. I've no doubt he'll learn from last year and we'll see a more attacking approach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 14, 2016, 11:04:45 PM
Too dependent on Sean Cavanagh. Dragged them over line to win Ulster final and no-one could finish the job when he was sent off against Mayo. He can't carry them forever.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 14, 2016, 11:12:08 PM
nobody would be happier than me to see us play a more expansive attacking game next year. but i honestly believe we have underachieved since 08. dont forget we won all ireland minor titles in 04, 08 and 2010 so its not like we havent been producing the talent. no other county can touch us for underage success so why are we content with ulster titles this last 8 yrs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 15, 2016, 05:52:13 AM
You are right. It's called the conveyor belt.  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 15, 2016, 08:52:26 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 14, 2016, 11:12:08 PM
nobody would be happier than me to see us play a more expansive attacking game next year. but i honestly believe we have underachieved since 08. dont forget we won all ireland minor titles in 04, 08 and 2010 so its not like we havent been producing the talent. no other county can touch us for underage success so why are we content with ulster titles this last 8 yrs?

I don't think people are content, and to me that's progress. Tyrone now HAVE to be reaching semi finals year in, year out and I like to think we've all but established a structure and culture like Dublin and Kerry, that only winning is good enough.

I know that contrasts slightly, but hopefully the point comes across.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on December 15, 2016, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 14, 2016, 11:12:08 PM
nobody would be happier than me to see us play a more expansive attacking game next year. but i honestly believe we have underachieved since 08. dont forget we won all ireland minor titles in 04, 08 and 2010 so its not like we havent been producing the talent. no other county can touch us for underage success so why are we content with ulster titles this last 8 yrs?
We have had only 1 u-21 win in all that time. Thaat suggests to me the players are not developing beyond minor. The 1 team which won has been fairly well brought through.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 14, 2016, 07:53:28 PM

And as for rrhf he ain't a Goalie. Plays Midfield. Not even the best Keeper in Edendork

Suffering Christ.

Morgan is the best keeper in the county by a mile, he commands his area very well, he is a fantastic shot stopper, he has a good range of kickouts. The free taking responsibility should be taken off him, we just don't have a free taker who is reliable from 45 yards out so it's time to come up with an alternative here, these players have to be wise enough to know you don't always have to have a crack at the posts from this range.

He has had a few bad days on kickouts but this is just par the course for keepers nowadays, Cluxton had a meltdown in the All Ireland semi-final this and one of the goals he was responsible for was a kickout that went astray, Durcan the year before did the same in an All Ireland final. There is no keeper exempt from this trend and clearly it's do with management teams across the country being obsessed with retaining the ball and building from the back, it's a very high risk strategy and cost us against Kerry in 2015 but it's happened all the top keepers at some stage.

Morgan will be the no.1 next year and deservedly so, may I point to Mickey O'Neill's performance in the drawn game against Cavan and illustrate the importance of a keeper who will take responsibility and control over balls launched in on the square. O'Neill was all at sea for two of those goals and Morgan rightly got a recall on the back of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on December 15, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
I have been saying for a long time that we should work on methods to create scoring opportunities from long range free kicks instead of taking pot shots with unreliavle/under confident free takers.

In the Mayo match we had a free in 3rd quarter about 38 yards out close to hogan stand. A runner made a run from 20m line towards Petey Harte (the free taker) and popped a pass back to him on the over lap. Petey had a much easier shot and nailed it. Surely 3/4 plays could be worked up on the training ground to create better chances from the areas where we miss so much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 15, 2016, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 15, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
I have been saying for a long time that we should work on methods to create scoring opportunities from long range free kicks instead of taking pot shots with unreliavle/under confident free takers.

In the Mayo match we had a free in 3rd quarter about 38 yards out close to hogan stand. A runner made a run from 20m line towards Petey Harte (the free taker) and popped a pass back to him on the over lap. Petey had a much easier shot and nailed it. Surely 3/4 plays could be worked up on the training ground to create better chances from the areas where we miss so much.

Couldn't agree more. We have guys that are excellent long range point kickers - Cavanagh, Matty D, Petey and even Richie Donnelly. We should be working any free kick outside 40m to them in scoring positions instead of hitting demoralising pot shots.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
when u name them all out like that we really do have alot of fine players to pick from. particularly in the forward/midfield division. so why are we playing such defensive football? how much time is spent in training working on forward play?. this team should be winning all irelands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 15, 2016, 10:38:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
when u name them all out like that we really do have alot of fine players to pick from. particularly in the forward/midfield division. so why are we playing such defensive football? how much time is spent in training working on forward play?. this team should be winning all irelands.

3-14 v Derry
0-16 v Cavan
5-18 v Cavan
0-13 v donegal
Flopped against mayo. Speaking to one of the players after that game and they said they just didn't perform on the day. If we had of won by a point we would prob have been in an all Ireland final. Small margins
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 15, 2016, 10:38:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
when u name them all out like that we really do have alot of fine players to pick from. particularly in the forward/midfield division. so why are we playing such defensive football? how much time is spent in training working on forward play?. this team should be winning all irelands.

3-14 v Derry
0-16 v Cavan
5-18 v Cavan
0-13 v donegal
Flopped against mayo. Speaking to one of the players after that game and they said they just didn't perform on the day. If we had of won by a point we would prob have been in an all Ireland final. Small margins
im not sure why your quoting those scorelines? we scored a total of 25 points against the 2 div 1 teams we played. we have work to do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 15, 2016, 11:21:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 15, 2016, 10:38:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
when u name them all out like that we really do have alot of fine players to pick from. particularly in the forward/midfield division. so why are we playing such defensive football? how much time is spent in training working on forward play?. this team should be winning all irelands.

3-14 v Derry
0-16 v Cavan
5-18 v Cavan
0-13 v donegal
Flopped against mayo. Speaking to one of the players after that game and they said they just didn't perform on the day. If we had of won by a point we would prob have been in an all Ireland final. Small margins
im not sure why your quoting those scorelines? we scored a total of 25 points against the 2 div 1 teams we played. we have work to do.

I know you have a major downer on Mickey but I genuinely saw signs of a more positive approach last year. Some of the attacking from deep in numbers was a joy to watch in the early games of the championship. We didn't manage to really bring that to the Mayo game but I think there is an attacking strategy developing based on pace from deep mixed with a few more long balls. Check out our goals v Derry as an example. I don't think we've perfected it against the top teams and I'd be keen to see how we fair in Div 1 this year. I'm happy to give a man with Mickey's record the benefit of the doubt after the past two years where a lot of new players have been blooded and progress has been made in the form of AI semi places and an Anglo Celt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 11:44:25 PM
i think its fair to say that 2017 is a huge year for both tyrone and mickey harte. prob the biggest year since 03 cause if we cant break into the top 3 in ireland then we havent progressed and mickey will be gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 15, 2016, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 11:44:25 PM
i think its fair to say that 2017 is a huge year for both tyrone and mickey harte. prob the biggest year since 03 cause if we cant break into the top 3 in ireland then we havent progressed and mickey will be gone.

Mickey will never be gone... he calls the tune
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on December 16, 2016, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 15, 2016, 11:44:25 PM
i think its fair to say that 2017 is a huge year for both tyrone and mickey harte. prob the biggest year since 03 cause if we cant break into the top 3 in ireland then we havent progressed and mickey will be gone.

How are the top 3 decided?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on December 16, 2016, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 14, 2016, 07:53:28 PM

And as for rrhf he ain't a Goalie. Plays Midfield. Not even the best Keeper in Edendork

Suffering Christ.

Morgan is the best keeper in the county by a mile, he commands his area very well, he is a fantastic shot stopper, he has a good range of kickouts. The free taking responsibility should be taken off him, we just don't have a free taker who is reliable from 45 yards out so it's time to come up with an alternative here, these players have to be wise enough to know you don't always have to have a crack at the posts from this range.

He has had a few bad days on kickouts but this is just par the course for keepers nowadays, Cluxton had a meltdown in the All Ireland semi-final this and one of the goals he was responsible for was a kickout that went astray, Durcan the year before did the same in an All Ireland final. There is no keeper exempt from this trend and clearly it's do with management teams across the country being obsessed with retaining the ball and building from the back, it's a very high risk strategy and cost us against Kerry in 2015 but it's happened all the top keepers at some stage.

Morgan will be the no.1 next year and deservedly so, may I point to Mickey O'Neill's performance in the drawn game against Cavan and illustrate the importance of a keeper who will take responsibility and control over balls launched in on the square. O'Neill was all at sea for two of those goals and Morgan rightly got a recall on the back of it.

Id rate Fox and O'Neill both ahead of Morgan, he reigned it in a bit last year, but the year before him soloing up the pitch was a total liability. Micky had a poor day at the office against Cavan id admit that (as would he) but he certainly wasn't helped by his full back line or midfield that day.  Both sub keepers kickouts are equal if not better than Morgans, as for shot stopping from watching Micky from he was 16 hes the pick of the bunch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on December 16, 2016, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on December 16, 2016, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 14, 2016, 07:53:28 PM

And as for rrhf he ain't a Goalie. Plays Midfield. Not even the best Keeper in Edendork

Suffering Christ.

Morgan is the best keeper in the county by a mile, he commands his area very well, he is a fantastic shot stopper, he has a good range of kickouts. The free taking responsibility should be taken off him, we just don't have a free taker who is reliable from 45 yards out so it's time to come up with an alternative here, these players have to be wise enough to know you don't always have to have a crack at the posts from this range.

He has had a few bad days on kickouts but this is just par the course for keepers nowadays, Cluxton had a meltdown in the All Ireland semi-final this and one of the goals he was responsible for was a kickout that went astray, Durcan the year before did the same in an All Ireland final. There is no keeper exempt from this trend and clearly it's do with management teams across the country being obsessed with retaining the ball and building from the back, it's a very high risk strategy and cost us against Kerry in 2015 but it's happened all the top keepers at some stage.

Morgan will be the no.1 next year and deservedly so, may I point to Mickey O'Neill's performance in the drawn game against Cavan and illustrate the importance of a keeper who will take responsibility and control over balls launched in on the square. O'Neill was all at sea for two of those goals and Morgan rightly got a recall on the back of it.

Id rate Fox and O'Neill both ahead of Morgan, he reigned it in a bit last year, but the year before him soloing up the pitch was a total liability. Micky had a poor day at the office against Cavan id admit that (as would he) but he certainly wasn't helped by his full back line or midfield that day.  Both sub keepers kickouts are equal if not better than Morgans, as for shot stopping from watching Micky from he was 16 hes the pick of the bunch.

Some of this I agree with, other points I don't. I would like to see Mickey O'Neill in there also. Great all round keeper. Morgan has some better attributes but just a lack of consistency. Fox has a great short kick out, but when push comes to shove and he has to kick long, it is no better than any other club keeper. I always get my heart in my mouth when a high ball comes in on him. I would trust O'Neill with that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on December 16, 2016, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: EastTyrone on December 16, 2016, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on December 16, 2016, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 14, 2016, 07:53:28 PM

And as for rrhf he ain't a Goalie. Plays Midfield. Not even the best Keeper in Edendork

Suffering Christ.

Morgan is the best keeper in the county by a mile, he commands his area very well, he is a fantastic shot stopper, he has a good range of kickouts. The free taking responsibility should be taken off him, we just don't have a free taker who is reliable from 45 yards out so it's time to come up with an alternative here, these players have to be wise enough to know you don't always have to have a crack at the posts from this range.

He has had a few bad days on kickouts but this is just par the course for keepers nowadays, Cluxton had a meltdown in the All Ireland semi-final this and one of the goals he was responsible for was a kickout that went astray, Durcan the year before did the same in an All Ireland final. There is no keeper exempt from this trend and clearly it's do with management teams across the country being obsessed with retaining the ball and building from the back, it's a very high risk strategy and cost us against Kerry in 2015 but it's happened all the top keepers at some stage.

Morgan will be the no.1 next year and deservedly so, may I point to Mickey O'Neill's performance in the drawn game against Cavan and illustrate the importance of a keeper who will take responsibility and control over balls launched in on the square. O'Neill was all at sea for two of those goals and Morgan rightly got a recall on the back of it.

Id rate Fox and O'Neill both ahead of Morgan, he reigned it in a bit last year, but the year before him soloing up the pitch was a total liability. Micky had a poor day at the office against Cavan id admit that (as would he) but he certainly wasn't helped by his full back line or midfield that day.  Both sub keepers kickouts are equal if not better than Morgans, as for shot stopping from watching Micky from he was 16 hes the pick of the bunch.

Some of this I agree with, other points I don't. I would like to see Mickey O'Neill in there also. Great all round keeper. Morgan has some better attributes but just a lack of consistency. Fox has a great short kick out, but when push comes to shove and he has to kick long, it is no better than any other club keeper. I always get my heart in my mouth when a high ball comes in on him. I would trust O'Neill with that.

I find it weird when you agree with me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 16, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
While we're all sneering at Johnathan Bell praying before an interview remember that is what Mickey Harte has our county players at before big games. Maybe a role for Bell in Tyrone backroom team  ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on December 16, 2016, 11:59:38 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on December 16, 2016, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: EastTyrone on December 16, 2016, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on December 16, 2016, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 15, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 14, 2016, 07:53:28 PM

And as for rrhf he ain't a Goalie. Plays Midfield. Not even the best Keeper in Edendork

Suffering Christ.

Morgan is the best keeper in the county by a mile, he commands his area very well, he is a fantastic shot stopper, he has a good range of kickouts. The free taking responsibility should be taken off him, we just don't have a free taker who is reliable from 45 yards out so it's time to come up with an alternative here, these players have to be wise enough to know you don't always have to have a crack at the posts from this range.

He has had a few bad days on kickouts but this is just par the course for keepers nowadays, Cluxton had a meltdown in the All Ireland semi-final this and one of the goals he was responsible for was a kickout that went astray, Durcan the year before did the same in an All Ireland final. There is no keeper exempt from this trend and clearly it's do with management teams across the country being obsessed with retaining the ball and building from the back, it's a very high risk strategy and cost us against Kerry in 2015 but it's happened all the top keepers at some stage.

Morgan will be the no.1 next year and deservedly so, may I point to Mickey O'Neill's performance in the drawn game against Cavan and illustrate the importance of a keeper who will take responsibility and control over balls launched in on the square. O'Neill was all at sea for two of those goals and Morgan rightly got a recall on the back of it.

Id rate Fox and O'Neill both ahead of Morgan, he reigned it in a bit last year, but the year before him soloing up the pitch was a total liability. Micky had a poor day at the office against Cavan id admit that (as would he) but he certainly wasn't helped by his full back line or midfield that day.  Both sub keepers kickouts are equal if not better than Morgans, as for shot stopping from watching Micky from he was 16 hes the pick of the bunch.

Some of this I agree with, other points I don't. I would like to see Mickey O'Neill in there also. Great all round keeper. Morgan has some better attributes but just a lack of consistency. Fox has a great short kick out, but when push comes to shove and he has to kick long, it is no better than any other club keeper. I always get my heart in my mouth when a high ball comes in on him. I would trust O'Neill with that.

I find it weird when you agree with me

It is the off season and I am feeling festive.
I will probably disagree with you when the season start and that will last all of the 11 month season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on December 16, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 16, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
While we're all sneering at Johnathan Bell praying before an interview remember that is what Mickey Harte has our county players at before big games. Maybe a role for Bell in Tyrone backroom team  ???

So you're persecuting Micky Harte for his religious beliefs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 16, 2016, 12:53:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 15, 2016, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 15, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
I have been saying for a long time that we should work on methods to create scoring opportunities from long range free kicks instead of taking pot shots with unreliavle/under confident free takers.

In the Mayo match we had a free in 3rd quarter about 38 yards out close to hogan stand. A runner made a run from 20m line towards Petey Harte (the free taker) and popped a pass back to him on the over lap. Petey had a much easier shot and nailed it. Surely 3/4 plays could be worked up on the training ground to create better chances from the areas where we miss so much.

Couldn't agree more. We have guys that are excellent long range point kickers - Cavanagh, Matty D, Petey and even Richie Donnelly. We should be working any free kick outside 40m to them in scoring positions instead of hitting demoralising pot shots.
Totally agree and I think did Peter Harte's monster score come from a short free in the Ulster final.
Surely at this stage though that is a simple decision yet we still have Morgan coming up hitting far out frees in our biggest game in years. I'd forgive him more if he rarely misses but I'd say most of us expected him to not score.

Let's not go down the praying discussion route folks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 16, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on December 16, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 16, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
While we're all sneering at Johnathan Bell praying before an interview remember that is what Mickey Harte has our county players at before big games. Maybe a role for Bell in Tyrone backroom team  ???

So you're persecuting Micky Harte for his religious beliefs.

Not at all - just uncomfortable when he inflicts them on others
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on December 16, 2016, 02:31:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 16, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on December 16, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 16, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
While we're all sneering at Johnathan Bell praying before an interview remember that is what Mickey Harte has our county players at before big games. Maybe a role for Bell in Tyrone backroom team  ???

So you're persecuting Micky Harte for his religious beliefs.

Not at all - just uncomfortable when he inflicts them on others

wise up lad, if someone was offeneded he wouldn't do it. what an absolutely stupid thing to get annoyed about
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 16, 2016, 02:32:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 16, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on December 16, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 16, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
While we're all sneering at Johnathan Bell praying before an interview remember that is what Mickey Harte has our county players at before big games. Maybe a role for Bell in Tyrone backroom team  ???

So you're persecuting Micky Harte for his religious beliefs.

Not at all - just uncomfortable when he inflicts them on others

Mickey reads a lot and takes a lot of ideas from great American coaches of different sports. It's a fairly common tactic in American sports to gather together and pray before a big game. It calms the nerves, focuses the mind and creates a team togetherness. It's hardly a big deal in my view. Managers try different things, is it any more strange than Armagh symbol, Dublins blue book etc. If it gives an extra edge then fair enough. If the players felt uncomfortable and it hindered the team I'm sure he'd drop it. Like I said, no big deal!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 16, 2016, 02:51:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 16, 2016, 02:32:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 16, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on December 16, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 16, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
While we're all sneering at Johnathan Bell praying before an interview remember that is what Mickey Harte has our county players at before big games. Maybe a role for Bell in Tyrone backroom team  ???

So you're persecuting Micky Harte for his religious beliefs.

Not at all - just uncomfortable when he inflicts them on others

Mickey reads a lot and takes a lot of ideas from great American coaches of different sports. It's a fairly common tactic in American sports to gather together and pray before a big game. It calms the nerves, focuses the mind and creates a team togetherness. It's hardly a big deal in my view. Managers try different things, is it any more strange than Armagh symbol, Dublins blue book etc. If it gives an extra edge then fair enough. If the players felt uncomfortable and it hindered the team I'm sure he'd drop it. Like I said, no big deal!

Maybe why Johnathan Bell prayed with his team before facing Stephen Nolan last night   ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 16, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
mickeys tactics have become that bad he has resorted to praying before games? all them prayers werent much good against mayo. pathetic
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on December 16, 2016, 11:54:32 PM
The same tactics that lost just one game all year (by a point) and won an Ulster title. Some crying c@nts on here just get a hard on for complaining about Harte even when he's doing a good job. Be careful what you wish for, look at the state of the likes of Armagh now and think of United post SAF. The man will only be truly appreciated when he's gone I doubt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 12:05:46 AM
we won a heap of meaningless games against against div 2 teams and lost the only one that really mattered so cop on. and i think ul find thats why teams fell away like meath post boylan and kerry post mick o dwyer is because those men stayed too long. same with man utd prob but i dont care much for english soccer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 17, 2016, 01:22:32 AM
Quote from: TF15 on December 16, 2016, 11:54:32 PM
The same tactics that lost just one game all year (by a point) and won an Ulster title. Some crying c@nts on here just get a hard on for complaining about Harte even when he's doing a good job. Be careful what you wish for, look at the state of the likes of Armagh now and think of United post SAF. The man will only be truly appreciated when he's gone I doubt.

Are you refering to Alex Ferguson and calling him sir as bestowed by the queen? and you call us c@nts....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 17, 2016, 03:52:16 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 12:05:46 AM
we won a heap of meaningless games against against div 2 teams and lost the only one that really mattered so cop on. and i think ul find thats why teams fell away like meath post boylan and kerry post mick o dwyer is because those men stayed too long. same with man utd prob but i dont care much for english soccer.

Was the Ulster final meaningless? Were Donegal a Div 2 side? Your attitude to Mickey Harte would strongly suggest that you are heavily influenced by English soccer. When did the GAA become an organisation where we castigate our managers on social media and lead campaigns for them to be sacked? Very much an imported soccer mentality if you ask me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on December 17, 2016, 08:07:11 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 12:05:46 AM
we won a heap of meaningless games against against div 2 teams and lost the only one that really mattered so cop on. and i think ul find thats why teams fell away like meath post boylan and kerry post mick o dwyer is because those men stayed too long. same with man utd prob but i dont care much for english soccer.

It's been the best 13 years on record for Tyrone. Regardless of what we think the numbers stack up. After that it's down to personality.
There is nothing to compare Hartes reign to during Hartes reign. You use an example of managers who started 20 years before Harte started while in the mean time there has been a feast of Counties that refreshed their management regularly and achieved nothing. Harte's case is unique.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on December 17, 2016, 09:49:15 AM
Is that Liz the hurler who put on an exhibition of her talents in Croke Park? Point stands, we don't have the same talent in our forward line as we did in the 00's. Hartes done very well to cover them deficiencies through a system (albeit dire to watch when faced with s team playing similarly). It does need tweaking to be slightly more attacking but we lost by a point (and really shouldn't have only for bad wides) to a team that took Dublin to the pin of their collars twice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 11:33:42 PM
id say we can disregard the 3 posts above this because they make very little sense. straw clutching and confusing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 17, 2016, 11:40:02 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 17, 2016, 08:07:11 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 12:05:46 AM
we won a heap of meaningless games against against div 2 teams and lost the only one that really mattered so cop on. and i think ul find thats why teams fell away like meath post boylan and kerry post mick o dwyer is because those men stayed too long. same with man utd prob but i dont care much for english soccer.

It's been the best 13 years on record for Tyrone. Regardless of what we think the numbers stack up. After that it's down to personality.
There is nothing to compare Hartes reign to during Hartes reign. You use an example of managers who started 20 years before Harte started while in the mean time there has been a feast of Counties that refreshed their management regularly and achieved nothing. Harte's case is unique.

2003 to 2010 best ever... little to get excited about since then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on December 17, 2016, 11:46:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 17, 2016, 11:40:02 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on December 17, 2016, 08:07:11 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 12:05:46 AM
we won a heap of meaningless games against against div 2 teams and lost the only one that really mattered so cop on. and i think ul find thats why teams fell away like meath post boylan and kerry post mick o dwyer is because those men stayed too long. same with man utd prob but i dont care much for english soccer.

It's been the best 13 years on record for Tyrone. Regardless of what we think the numbers stack up. After that it's down to personality.
There is nothing to compare Hartes reign to during Hartes reign. You use an example of managers who started 20 years before Harte started while in the mean time there has been a feast of Counties that refreshed their management regularly and achieved nothing. Harte's case is unique.

2003 to 2010 best ever... little to get excited about since then.

2010 was an All-Ireland that got away from Tyrone along with this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
i agree with longballin but i would add that in 2001 we also won ulster and in 2002 we won our first ever national league title.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 07:50:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
i agree with longballin but i would add that in 2001 we also won ulster and in 2002 we won our first ever national league title.

We won Ulster last year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 07:50:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
i agree with longballin but i would add that in 2001 we also won ulster and in 2002 we won our first ever national league title.

We won Ulster last year!
yes i know but my point was that we were winning titles pre harte.  the tyrone gaa world did not start in 2003
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 07:50:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2016, 11:54:53 PM
i agree with longballin but i would add that in 2001 we also won ulster and in 2002 we won our first ever national league title.

We won Ulster last year!
yes i know but my point was that we were winning titles pre harte.  the tyrone gaa world did not start in 2003

Did we win any All Irelands pre Harte? Are you happy to go back to those days?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 11:35:22 AM
the memory of those great all ireland wins is fading fast.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 11:35:22 AM
the memory of those great all ireland wins is fading fast.

I remember the pre-Harte days very clearly!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 18, 2016, 12:13:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 11:35:22 AM
the memory of those great all ireland wins is fading fast.

I remember the pre-Harte days very clearly!

Harte did well certainly but when you look at the players he had... would have been hard not to win All Irelands 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
i dont know what we are gonna do when mickey is gone. we'll just have to play hurling or rugby i guess. wer prob not that far off playin rugby at the minute anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 18, 2016, 12:13:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 11:35:22 AM
the memory of those great all ireland wins is fading fast.

I remember the pre-Harte days very clearly!

Harte did well certainly but when you look at the players he had... would have been hard not to win All Irelands

Indeed but we had some great players pre Harte too. And he was heavily involved in the development of those players. No doubt you give Mick O'Dwyer or Sean Boylan no credit either!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 18, 2016, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 18, 2016, 12:13:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 11:35:22 AM
the memory of those great all ireland wins is fading fast.

I remember the pre-Harte days very clearly!

Harte did well certainly but when you look at the players he had... would have been hard not to win All Irelands

Indeed but we had some great players pre Harte too. And he was heavily involved in the development of those players. No doubt you give Mick O'Dwyer or Sean Boylan no credit either!

Dwyer won eight and Boylan did what Harte hasnt done.... got  a new set of players, changed playing style and won All Ireland... Harte got golden minor team and Canavan, Cavlan, Dooher, Lawn... like couldnt have missed. Took him years to make impact at minor level till those lads came along
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
both o dwyer and boylan stayed too long and done a lot of long term damage. kerry never reached an all ireland final for 11 yrs after they won in 86.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 18, 2016, 01:53:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
both o dwyer and boylan stayed too long and done a lot of long term damage. kerry never reached an all ireland final for 11 yrs after they won in 86.

True for O'Dwyer   not sure that is true for Boylan... is true for Harte though still depending on Sean Cavanagh to win games. When Sean goes it'll be all downhill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
boylan stayed another 6 yrs after his last all ireland in 99. mickey has stayed 8.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
boylan stayed another 6 yrs after his last all ireland in 99. mickey has stayed 8.

Boylan stayed for 8 years after he won in 1988 and then won another two All Irelands in 1996 and 1999. You'd have got rid of him before he got the chance to win in 96.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
whos to say they wouldnt have won the 96 and 99 all irelands with a different manager anyway?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
whos to say they wouldnt have won the 96 and 99 all irelands with a different manager anyway?

Exactly - can you say that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 18, 2016, 03:39:15 PM
Tyr 0-13 Arma 3-10
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 18, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
boylan stayed another 6 yrs after his last all ireland in 99. mickey has stayed 8.

Boylan stayed for 8 years after he won in 1988 and then won another two All Irelands in 1996 and 1999. You'd have got rid of him before he got the chance to win in 96.

we're not even close lad and when Sean goes...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 18, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
boylan stayed another 6 yrs after his last all ireland in 99. mickey has stayed 8.

Boylan stayed for 8 years after he won in 1988 and then won another two All Irelands in 1996 and 1999. You'd have got rid of him before he got the chance to win in 96.

we're not even close lad and when Sean goes...

Not even close? We are currently the best team in Ulster and left the Mayo game behind us and they went on to push the dubs right to the wire. I don't think we are that far away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on December 19, 2016, 12:31:31 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: longballin on December 18, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2016, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2016, 02:05:12 PM
boylan stayed another 6 yrs after his last all ireland in 99. mickey has stayed 8.

Boylan stayed for 8 years after he won in 1988 and then won another two All Irelands in 1996 and 1999. You'd have got rid of him before he got the chance to win in 96.

we're not even close lad and when Sean goes...

Not even close? We are currently the best team in Ulster and left the Mayo game behind us and they went on to push the dubs right to the wire. I don't think we are that far away.

Not on today's showing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 19, 2016, 12:30:42 PM
Tyrone 3rd team was out yesterday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on December 19, 2016, 01:04:52 PM
How did Niall McKenna at full forward work out yesterday???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 19, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: skeog on December 19, 2016, 12:30:42 PM
Tyrone 3rd team was out yesterday
Just a small bit insulting I suppose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on December 19, 2016, 06:08:55 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 19, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: skeog on December 19, 2016, 12:30:42 PM
Tyrone 3rd team was out yesterday
Just a small bit insulting I suppose.
Armagh were hardly at full strength, whatever that is! And as for MH coming out and saying he had an inexperienced team playing a seasoned team, wise up!

Hope he tries more new lads in McKenna Cup and give lads a game instead of this must-win approach and get dumped on our rears in July or August cos lads didnt get game time!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 19, 2016, 11:04:37 PM
peter harte and niall sludden both played for ulster on saturday then came on as subs on sunday. what exactly is mickey harte trying to achieve here? its december.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on December 19, 2016, 11:44:53 PM
Is there anyone on here who can explain to me what Conor Clarke has to offer, the man is actually struggling to play well at club for a few years now never mind being the standard of county. When I think of the likes of Dan Mc Nulty sitting at home who can offer us size and power in a ff line whilst we run out a player clearly not at this level. Bewilderingly to say the least.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 19, 2016, 11:55:32 PM
to be fair to clarke he has had alot of injuries this last few yrs. showed alot of potential as an underage player. mc nulty should have got a chance but id say its more to do with us keepin the running game so wont need a target man in full foward. its a real mess.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on December 20, 2016, 12:02:19 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on December 19, 2016, 11:44:53 PM
Is there anyone on here who can explain to me what Conor Clarke has to offer, the man is actually struggling to play well at club for a few years now never mind being the standard of county. When I think of the likes of Dan Mc Nulty sitting at home who can offer us size and power in a ff line whilst we run out a player clearly not at this level. Bewilderingly to say the least.

Does Dan McNulty actually want to play for Tyrone? His name gets bandied about on this thread quite a bit but I'm quite sure if the lad had indicated a desire to play and that he was going to fully commit then he would be on the panel.

I agree with the previous post about Harte and Sludden. Mickey made the point that he doesn't like throwing young players in without having a certain number of senior players to help guide them through. But I really cannot agree that having Peter Harte play two games in two days in December 2016 is going to help us win an all-Ireland in September 2017. I'd actually question the necessity of Peter Harte playing much football in January in the Mckenna cup never mind the O'finch Cup in December.

Also has anyone heard about anyone who might be dropping off the panel this year?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2016, 12:02:49 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on December 19, 2016, 11:44:53 PM
Is there anyone on here who can explain to me what Conor Clarke has to offer, the man is actually struggling to play well at club for a few years now never mind being the standard of county. When I think of the likes of Dan Mc Nulty sitting at home who can offer us size and power in a ff line whilst we run out a player clearly not at this level. Bewilderingly to say the least.

I think it's about time someone told Clarke to lay off the gym, he comes back bigger and more immobile everytime he returns from injury.

A shame as he looked a great prospect when he burst on the scene but the injuries look to have done for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 20, 2016, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on December 20, 2016, 12:02:19 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on December 19, 2016, 11:44:53 PM
Is there anyone on here who can explain to me what Conor Clarke has to offer, the man is actually struggling to play well at club for a few years now never mind being the standard of county. When I think of the likes of Dan Mc Nulty sitting at home who can offer us size and power in a ff line whilst we run out a player clearly not at this level. Bewilderingly to say the least.

Does Dan McNulty actually want to play for Tyrone? His name gets bandied about on this thread quite a bit but I'm quite sure if the lad had indicated a desire to play and that he was going to fully commit then he would be on the panel.

I agree with the previous post about Harte and Sludden. Mickey made the point that he doesn't like throwing young players in without having a certain number of senior players to help guide them through. But I really cannot agree that having Peter Harte play two games in two days in December 2016 is going to help us win an all-Ireland in September 2017. I'd actually question the necessity of Peter Harte playing much football in January in the Mckenna cup never mind the O'finch Cup in December.

Also has anyone heard about anyone who might be dropping off the panel this year?
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    hopefully aiden mc crory and tiernan mc cann.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on December 20, 2016, 09:30:48 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2016, 12:02:49 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on December 19, 2016, 11:44:53 PM
Is there anyone on here who can explain to me what Conor Clarke has to offer, the man is actually struggling to play well at club for a few years now never mind being the standard of county. When I think of the likes of Dan Mc Nulty sitting at home who can offer us size and power in a ff line whilst we run out a player clearly not at this level. Bewilderingly to say the least.

I think it's about time someone told Clarke to lay off the gym, he comes back bigger and more immobile everytime he returns from injury.

A shame as he looked a great prospect when he burst on the scene but the injuries look to have done for him.

Wasn't he on the back page of the Irish News last year saying that he knew he needed to lay off the gym?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 28, 2016, 11:23:27 PM
i see the irish news have wheeled out mark donnelly today to give his tuppence worth on who should be tyrones full forward line. for the record, mc curry, s cavanagh, m bradley. duh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 03, 2017, 03:10:25 PM
With the McKenna cup about to begin who do folks think we will see coming through into the starting team?
Last year Niall Sludden seemed to be the player who made the most improvement as the year went on.

Are Hampsey and McGeary the best positioned to state a claim for a place in defence?
Is this the year we finally see Lee Brennan given his chance or is he still too young? Is he still U21 this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 03, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
I think McGreary and Hampsey will see more game time, surely Lee will get plenty of time over the coming weeks as well. As far as I know he may have 2 years left at u-21, open to correction on that though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 03, 2017, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 03, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
I think McGreary and Hampsey will see more game time, surely Lee will get plenty of time over the coming weeks as well. As far as I know he may have 2 years left at u-21, open to correction on that though.
This is his final year of U21s. Mulgrew has two years left at U21 level.
As bes the case with U21s they leave the senior squad to focus on the U21s and therefore after the McKenna cup we probably wont see him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on January 03, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
I would like to see Munroe & Hampsey get a bit more game time!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 03, 2017, 04:16:06 PM
Yeah that's my fear as well that any U21's won't be given the chance during the league and so we won't see them til the summer again unless they get knocked out early of course.
Who is is U21 that is in the senior squad?

Where would you play Munroe and Hampsey WBF?
Looking at the team from last year I'd say a lot of us would have McCrory out and one of the new lads in.
Where is Frank Burns best position?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 03, 2017, 04:22:51 PM
would love to see lee brennan during the league. see how he fairs against div 1 teams. i think he is a serious weapon but will our current gameplan suit him? maybe better holding him back til we get a new manager next year. as said above, mc crory out, hampsey in. mc cann out and f burns or ruairi brennan in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on January 03, 2017, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 03, 2017, 04:16:06 PM
Yeah that's my fear as well that any U21's won't be given the chance during the league and so we won't see them til the summer again unless they get knocked out early of course.
Who is is U21 that is in the senior squad?

Where would you play Munroe and Hampsey WBF?
Looking at the team from last year I'd say a lot of us would have McCrory out and one of the new lads in.
Where is Frank Burns best position?

I would try Hampsey in the full back line and Munroe in the half back line!

Frank Burns strong all over the field but would be better suited to the half forward line i think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 04, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on January 04, 2017, 09:49:27 AM
1st three are playing with their college I believe, mcgearys are with their club for the All ireland series and mcnamee is in the US. I thought Cavanagh wasnt going to feature to later in the year but obviously MH wants another McKenna cup in the bag. I would be expecting McNulty to step up this year, has had a few seasons now, make or break time, same as Clarke.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 04, 2017, 10:03:05 AM
Aye right, of course. Presume Richie Donnelly too.
I think big Sean just likes playing games and isn't one to sit out and not be involved but maybe Mickey will use him sparingly.

I don't think McNulty has showed enough over the years to get a starting slot. He's often thrown in at FF in games but yes it would be nice if he could improve and give us an option as a target man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 04, 2017, 11:01:37 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 04, 2017, 10:03:05 AM
Aye right, of course. Presume Richie Donnelly too.
I think big Sean just likes playing games and isn't one to sit out and not be involved but maybe Mickey will use him sparingly.

I don't think McNulty has showed enough over the years to get a starting slot. He's often thrown in at FF in games but yes it would be nice if he could improve and give us an option as a target man.
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Which makes the decision of why Dan Mc Nulty, who is a genuine powerful threat at Full Forward in comparison to this pretender, and would allow us to mix up a different attacking option in the last 15 of a game or allow us to set up differently against a team who is not good with high ball all the more bewildering. I met Dan at xmas in the social club and asked him about it, thinking he had turned the offer down,  he wasn't approached/invited unto the panel. 😯
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 04, 2017, 12:26:43 PM
The fact that 'BIG DAN' didn't handle leather against P Hampsey in either of the 2 games against Coalisland might have something to do with it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on January 04, 2017, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 04, 2017, 12:26:43 PM
The fact that 'BIG DAN' didn't handle leather against P Hampsey in either of the 2 games against Coalisland might have something to do with it?

Yeah that will definitely be it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 04, 2017, 01:21:10 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 04, 2017, 12:26:43 PM
The fact that 'BIG DAN' didn't handle leather against P Hampsey in either of the 2 games against Coalisland might have something to do with it?

'Big Dan' as you so eloquently describe him got out of his sick bed to play in the replay,  that was an achievement in itself, and needless to say Hampsey got the better of him, as for the first game I thought it was about 50/50
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 04, 2017, 02:33:51 PM
Pretty sure 'BIG DAN' didn't handle it in Edendork 2015 either.......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 04, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 04, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 04, 2017, 08:11:30 PM
conall mc cann and kieran mc geary also on st marys panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 05, 2017, 02:30:32 PM
It's a very young squad isn't it. Are Sean and Justy the only ones over 30?
Who are the next oldest then? McCarron? McCrory?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 05, 2017, 02:41:50 PM
Burns is in UUJ squad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on January 05, 2017, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 04, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 04, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.

Imagine lining out CHB and being taken off during the early stages of an All-Ireland semi-final only to find the FF hurtling down the field to pick up a second booking and get sent off when the game was in the melting pot when he should have been stood up on the penalty spot at the other end of the pitch. I find it hard to blame Cavanagh for getting caught with the booking, the system is atrocious, Justy was one of a few victims of it that day. Hopefully he fancies another shot.

What is Joe's injury?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 05, 2017, 10:13:52 PM
Quote from: Club boi on January 05, 2017, 07:16:40 PM
The Forwards have chased that far back on many occasions it leaves them unable to kick scores IMO. How many times do you see Bernard Brogan, Dean Rock, Conor Mc Manus in their own 45 tackling and harassing men???

McManus spent most of the drawn game against Donegal last year playing in his half back line.

How many players do Dublin play inside these days? 2?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 05, 2017, 10:20:50 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 05, 2017, 08:37:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 05, 2017, 05:56:20 PM
Quote from: tiempo on January 05, 2017, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 04, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 04, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.

Imagine lining out CHB and being taken off during the early stages of an All-Ireland semi-final only to find the FF hurtling down the field to pick up a second booking and get sent off when the game was in the melting pot when he should have been stood up on the penalty spot at the other end of the pitch. I find it hard to blame Cavanagh for getting caught with the booking, the system is atrocious, Justy was one of a few victims of it that day. Hopefully he fancies another shot.

What is Joe's injury?

Felt Justy struggled against Mayo and taking him off for Brennan was the correct decisions.

He definitely has something to offer us though, we really lack a commanding aerial presence at the back.

There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet.

Do you think the system is the reason we haven't made an AI final in the past two years or simply because we weren't good enough?

You have not got one clue !!!!
And how indeed do you feel he struggled ?
Justys job, as always at centre half back is to protect the full back line. Roachford knew this and put Alan Dillon there to use the space Tyrones defensive tactics would allow him. He caused bother because he was a free man. Harte took Justy off and put Brennan on. Roachford then took Dillon off. Advantage Mayo. Mickey got it wrong not Justy
The fact that Tyrone have become so obvious makes it easier for the better teams to plan against them

Whatever way you want to look at it, tactics or not, Justy looked lost in the opening 25 minutes in that game and he came off for Brennan who gave us a bit more in an attacking sense.

Tyrone are obvious, but so are all the other teams. For all the talk about Dublin and the great players they have, they had to completely abandon their all out attacking game because Donegal made bits of it in 2012. Now they play a game very similar to all the rest.

What Tyrone do at the minute is not disimilar to the other big teams.

For such an obvious side, the result could so easily have been different against Mayo and we played the final 10/15 minutes a man down.

The system that Harte introduced in 2015 has brought us back to be very competitve at the top end and an Ulster title the year before, it only needs some small tweaks and players to learn from their mistakes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 05, 2017, 10:22:27 PM
i think 2 inside should be an absolute minimum. just watchin back the tyrone/mayo game from last yr and the amount of times aiden mc crory was in our full forward position was a disgrace. then i watched us take a short kick out to s cavanagh who passed it to mc aliskey. 2 of our full forward line. disgusting, pathetic tactics and people are blaming poor shooting?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 05, 2017, 10:38:08 PM
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Quote from: Fuzzman on January 04, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.

Imagine lining out CHB and being taken off during the early stages of an All-Ireland semi-final only to find the FF hurtling down the field to pick up a second booking and get sent off when the game was in the melting pot when he should have been stood up on the penalty spot at the other end of the pitch. I find it hard to blame Cavanagh for getting caught with the booking, the system is atrocious, Justy was one of a few victims of it that day. Hopefully he fancies another shot.

What is Joe's injury?

Felt Justy struggled against Mayo and taking him off for Brennan was the correct decisions.

He definitely has something to offer us though, we really lack a commanding aerial presence at the back.

There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet.

Do you think the system is the reason we haven't made an AI final in the past two years or simply because we weren't good enough?

You have not got one clue !!!!
And how indeed do you feel he struggled ?
Justys job, as always at centre half back is to protect the full back line. Roachford knew this and put Alan Dillon there to use the space Tyrones defensive tactics would allow him. He caused bother because he was a free man. Harte took Justy off and put Brennan on. Roachford then took Dillon off. Advantage Mayo. Mickey got it wrong not Justy
The fact that Tyrone have become so obvious makes it easier for the better teams to plan against them

Whatever way you want to look at it, tactics or not, Justy looked lost in the opening 25 minutes in that game and he came off for Brennan who gave us a bit more in an attacking sense.

Tyrone are obvious, but so are all the other teams. For all the talk about Dublin and the great players they have, they had to completely abandon their all out attacking game because Donegal made bits of it in 2012. Now they play a game very similar to all the rest.

What Tyrone do at the minute is not disimilar to the other big teams.

For such an obvious side, the result could so easily have been different against Mayo and we played the final 10/15 minutes a man down.

The system that Harte introduced in 2015 has brought us back to be very competitve at the top end and an Ulster title the year before, it only needs some small tweaks and players to learn from their mistakes.

Please stop showing us all your stupidity.
Justy looked lost !!!
Such a statement, what do you mean ? Do you think he looked out of his depth ?
Do you think he looked lost because the job he was asked to do was obsolete because Mayo did not kick the ball away against us the way Cavan and Derry did ? (Two games you frequently reference when you talk about how good we are).
The job Rory Brennan was asked to do was totally different to the job Justy was asked to do.
If you had a brain in your head you would know that instead of continually spouting pro Tyrone management S**te on here

You rave on the Connolly Holmes thread about how mentally weak the Mayo lads are to lose big games by a point but you continually tell us how unlucky Tyrone were agaist Kerry in2015 and against Mayo in 2016. You're a walking contradiction

"There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet"
according to you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 05, 2017, 10:51:53 PM
tyrone were an absolute disgrace against mayo. how any manager could turn a team out to play like that is beyond me. and 2 weeks later he looked for a 2 yr extension! people need to get their heads out of the sand and end this charade of management before football in this county is ruined for decades.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 05, 2017, 10:56:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 05, 2017, 10:51:53 PM
tyrone were an absolute disgrace against mayo. how any manager could turn a team out to play like that is beyond me. and 2 weeks later he looked for a 2 yr extension! people need to get their heads out of the sand and end this charade of management before football in this county is ruined for decades.

For what its worth i think Harte has done well with this group results wise. Its the people on here who back his every decision whether its right or wrong is what annoys the fcuk outta me. Its almost like Mickey has about 5 accounts on here himself  :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 05, 2017, 11:00:31 PM
it used to be called total faith, now its blind faith. and btw in hiding, u cant tell me harte has done well results wise, the only result that matters is in the big games in croke park and we have failed. and the only thing that could justify playing that shitty brand of football is all ireland titles and we are nowhere near that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 06, 2017, 12:03:16 AM
Is this the style of football that Donegal created and Tyrone, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo and maybe after this year even the Dubs are copying to some extent.
I absolutely hate how the game has changed since McGuinness moved the goal posts but if you don't play a similar system you will be swallowed up.
Kerry would love to beat the Dubs playing open attacking football but they have learnt that no longer works against the Dublin machine and so have joined the blanket brigade.
I fear GAA football will never be the same again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 06, 2017, 08:59:40 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 05, 2017, 10:38:08 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 05, 2017, 10:20:50 PM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 05, 2017, 05:56:20 PM
Quote from: tiempo on January 05, 2017, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 04, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 04, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
I see they've named a 26 man McKenna cup squad in the Irish News as below.
Does that mean players like Rory Brennan, Meyler, McShane, McGeary and McNamee are all being rested or left out for some reasons or can you only name 26 for any one game?
Surprised no Mark Bradley there also.

TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).

So omitted from that list is:

Bradley, R Brennan, Fox, McNamee (UUJ?)
Meyler, McShane (St Marys)
McGeary x2 and Burns (Pomeroy)

What's the story with the following players - R Donnelly, C McCann, Mulgrew. Injured?

Any word on the McMahons yet? I think Joe will walk away but Justy should still have something to offer he has the motivation.

Imagine lining out CHB and being taken off during the early stages of an All-Ireland semi-final only to find the FF hurtling down the field to pick up a second booking and get sent off when the game was in the melting pot when he should have been stood up on the penalty spot at the other end of the pitch. I find it hard to blame Cavanagh for getting caught with the booking, the system is atrocious, Justy was one of a few victims of it that day. Hopefully he fancies another shot.

What is Joe's injury?

Felt Justy struggled against Mayo and taking him off for Brennan was the correct decisions.

He definitely has something to offer us though, we really lack a commanding aerial presence at the back.

There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet.

Do you think the system is the reason we haven't made an AI final in the past two years or simply because we weren't good enough?

You have not got one clue !!!!
And how indeed do you feel he struggled ?
Justys job, as always at centre half back is to protect the full back line. Roachford knew this and put Alan Dillon there to use the space Tyrones defensive tactics would allow him. He caused bother because he was a free man. Harte took Justy off and put Brennan on. Roachford then took Dillon off. Advantage Mayo. Mickey got it wrong not Justy
The fact that Tyrone have become so obvious makes it easier for the better teams to plan against them

Whatever way you want to look at it, tactics or not, Justy looked lost in the opening 25 minutes in that game and he came off for Brennan who gave us a bit more in an attacking sense.

Tyrone are obvious, but so are all the other teams. For all the talk about Dublin and the great players they have, they had to completely abandon their all out attacking game because Donegal made bits of it in 2012. Now they play a game very similar to all the rest.

What Tyrone do at the minute is not disimilar to the other big teams.

For such an obvious side, the result could so easily have been different against Mayo and we played the final 10/15 minutes a man down.

The system that Harte introduced in 2015 has brought us back to be very competitve at the top end and an Ulster title the year before, it only needs some small tweaks and players to learn from their mistakes.

Please stop showing us all your stupidity.
Justy looked lost !!!
Such a statement, what do you mean ? Do you think he looked out of his depth ?
Do you think he looked lost because the job he was asked to do was obsolete because Mayo did not kick the ball away against us the way Cavan and Derry did ? (Two games you frequently reference when you talk about how good we are).
The job Rory Brennan was asked to do was totally different to the job Justy was asked to do.
If you had a brain in your head you would know that instead of continually spouting pro Tyrone management S**te on here

You rave on the Connolly Holmes thread about how mentally weak the Mayo lads are to lose big games by a point but you continually tell us how unlucky Tyrone were agaist Kerry in2015 and against Mayo in 2016. You're a walking contradiction

"There's a lot of nonsense written about our system, we probably would have been in two All Ireland finals only for wayward shooting. It suits the players we have and with a bit more composure and tweaking we'll make an AI final yet"
according to you.

You're doing a serious job of displaying your own stupidity here. Justy's role was made redundant by the tactical changes made by Rocheford, nobody expected Keegan to go into full back and Dillon to start. It wasn't working after 25 minutes or so Harte changed it. Fair enough. Your whole post makes no sense, we didn't lose that game because our full back line wasn't been protected - Mayo hit 13 points and didn't have a sniff at goal. Of course the job Brennan did was completely different, it was the absolute core reason Justy was taken off. Jesus Christ, I'm struggling to comprehend the level of a moron you are. The change was tactical, would you have rathered he left Justy on and kept him out there when the game was completely passing him by or are you simply slagging Harte off for not expecting Mayo to pull something out of the blue and then reacting to this surprise by making in game tactical tweaks himsef? Seems you are only interested in making cheap criticisms against management when there's little plausible basis for such.

Absolutely nothing contradictory about what I'm saying. I've said we haven't been far off an All Ireland final in the past two years, I've not mentioned a single iota about luck - that is your twist on what I've stated.

I've simply stated that the system suits the players we have and we've made good progress in two years, if we change to this system and revert to the type of football that no county actually plays now then we can forget about being competitive, slight tweaks and players improving their decision making is what is needed.

And I think you need clarify what you have a problem with re Harte withdrawing Justy.
Should he not have been withdrawn?
Should he have been left on with the game passing him by and his role redundant?
Should he not have started?

What is the point you are trying to make?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 06, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Tyrone were poor against mayo but there was only a point in it. Mickey is still the man for the job. the system has not let us down, the forwards and freetakers have. We aren't that far away
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 06, 2017, 09:16:45 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2017, 12:03:16 AM
Is this the style of football that Donegal created and Tyrone, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo and maybe after this year even the Dubs are copying to some extent.
I absolutely hate how the game has changed since McGuinness moved the goal posts but if you don't play a similar system you will be swallowed up.
Kerry would love to beat the Dubs playing open attacking football but they have learnt that no longer works against the Dublin machine and so have joined the blanket brigade.
I fear GAA football will never be the same again.

Athleticism of the modern player necessitates blanket defences.

If you leave wide open spaces for these modern players to run through then it will result into a game of farce, where there's a goal on every attack. Teams just have to clog up the middle to stop things, a guy running at momentum is always going to burn a person standing static or on the backfoot.

I'd much rather watch a game like the Ulster final this year than some non-contest like their was down in Munster, where Kerry just ran straight through Tipp at every opportunity and scored a goal. I thought the replay game was farcical with Cavan this year, we could just score a goal running straight through the middle at will. If it's that or a tight defensive match, I'll take the defensive game every time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on January 06, 2017, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 06, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Tyrone were poor against mayo but there was only a point in it. Mickey is still the man for the job. the system has not let us down, the forwards and freetakers have. We aren't that far away
I'd agree Tyrone aren't that far away. If Tyrone had a McManus or O'Connor for hitting frees alone they'd have won an AI in the last 2 years. Surely that has to be remedied this season. Harte to take them on the right and someone else on the left, what about Matty Donnelly? He's seriously accurate from play from distance. Morgan shouldn't be let near a free ever again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 06, 2017, 09:39:27 AM
Still over reliant on Sean as Ulster final and Mayo game showed... if they don't get Sam this year will be a while once he retires.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 06, 2017, 03:12:55 PM
tiempo that would be my one wish for 2017 but sadly I think it's never going to happen. 1 because Harte doesn't like to play that way and believes it's better to not kick the ball forward as not to lose possession and 2 because I think Sean finds it hard to be out of the game for long periods and so if he's not getting it he will push down the field looking for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on January 06, 2017, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: sambostar on January 06, 2017, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 06, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Tyrone were poor against mayo but there was only a point in it. Mickey is still the man for the job. the system has not let us down, the forwards and freetakers have. We aren't that far away
I'd agree Tyrone aren't that far away. If Tyrone had a McManus or O'Connor for hitting frees alone they'd have won an AI in the last 2 years. Surely that has to be remedied this season. Harte to take them on the right and someone else on the left, what about Matty Donnelly? He's seriously accurate from play from distance. Morgan shouldn't be let near a free ever again

are we all forgetting what Mark Bradley done with his left for Killyclogher this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 06, 2017, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on January 06, 2017, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: sambostar on January 06, 2017, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 06, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Tyrone were poor against mayo but there was only a point in it. Mickey is still the man for the job. the system has not let us down, the forwards and freetakers have. We aren't that far away
I'd agree Tyrone aren't that far away. If Tyrone had a McManus or O'Connor for hitting frees alone they'd have won an AI in the last 2 years. Surely that has to be remedied this season. Harte to take them on the right and someone else on the left, what about Matty Donnelly? He's seriously accurate from play from distance. Morgan shouldn't be let near a free ever again

are we all forgetting what Mark Bradley done with his left for Killyclogher this year?

He was Canavanesque! Unfortunately many posters here don't bother with club football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 06, 2017, 05:45:08 PM
Quote from: tiempo on January 06, 2017, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: sambostar on January 06, 2017, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 06, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Tyrone were poor against mayo but there was only a point in it. Mickey is still the man for the job. the system has not let us down, the forwards and freetakers have. We aren't that far away
I'd agree Tyrone aren't that far away. If Tyrone had a McManus or O'Connor for hitting frees alone they'd have won an AI in the last 2 years. Surely that has to be remedied this season. Harte to take them on the right and someone else on the left, what about Matty Donnelly? He's seriously accurate from play from distance. Morgan shouldn't be let near a free ever again

Sean Cav should be hitting the frees from the left. He should be stood in at FF on the peno spot and not allowed to come out further than the 45 looking for the ball, and he should be flanked by 2 mobile sharpshooters inside. 3 man FF line. End of.

Cavanagh took frees all through 2013 on the left, he wasn't the answer then and isn't now. We have exhausted all our free taking options I feel - we just don't have a reliable one from distance. We have to overcome that, as was pointed out here before, Peter Harte hit a point against Mayo after taking a quick free gathering the return and pointing it. We don't always have to shoot and force it when players aren't in their range.

As for Cavanagh playing in on the square, it's not his game. He gets frustrated in there and is more effective out the field - we wouldn't have beaten Donegal this year if Cavanagh remained on the edge of the square. I understand there's a need for a big target man in order for us to be able change up our pay but Cavanagh is not that man. He has lined out there for us plenty of times since 2008 and hasn't really been a success.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 06, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
If mchugh from aygharn not a free taker.we could nearly carry a player if it meant we had an accurate free taker on from the right. Anybody see him play. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 06, 2017, 08:43:09 PM
I'd give Niall Morgan another go this year. He never misses by much, the ball agonisingly glides wide as it has too much air. Serious specialist kicking coaching can sort that - Dave Alred was in Garvaghy few weeks back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 06, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 06, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
If mchugh from aygharn not a free taker.we could nearly carry a player if it meant we had an accurate free taker on from the right. Anybody see him play.
Dropped of the Under 21 panel very early last year on merit for not being good enough, kicked a lot for Aghayarn but couldn't believe he got a senior call up, nowhere next or near good enough for the county seniors. Cant see him being around for long after the McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 06, 2017, 09:34:22 PM
Squad V Cavan

1. Niall Morgan - Éadan na dTorc - 53 appearances
2. Aidan McCrory - Aireagal Chiaráin - 85 appearances
3. Jonathan Monroe - An Charraig Mhór - 12 appearances
4. Ronan McNabb - An Droim Mhór - 49 appearances
5. Michael Cassidy - Ard Bó - Yet to make debut
6. Tiernan McCann - Coill an Chlochair - 44 appearances
7. Niall Sludden - An Droim Mhór - 17 appearances
8. Declan McClure - Cluain Eo - Yet to make debut
9. Padraig McNulty - Dún Geanainn - 30 appearances
10. Darren McCurry - Éadan na dTorc - 61 appearances
11. Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin - 104 appearances
12. Cahir McCullagh - An Caisleán Glas - Yet to make debut
13. Lee Brennan - Trí Leac - 7 appearances
14. Connor McAliskey - Cluain Eo - 60 appearances
15. Ronan O'Neill - An Omaigh - 54 appearances

16. Mickey O'Neill - Cluain Eo - 18 appearances
17. Ronan McHugh - Achadh Uí Aráin - Yet to make debut
18. Niall McKenna - Domhnach Mór - 39 appearances
19. Rory Brennan - Trí Leac - 20 appearances
20. Hugh Pat McGeary - Cabhán a'Chaortainn - 7 appearances
21. Sean Cavanagh - An Mhaigh - 225 appearances
22. Matthew Donnelly - Trí Leac - 81 appearances
23. Harry Loughran - An Mhaigh - Yet to make debut
24. Justin McMahon - An Omaigh - 101 appearances
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 06, 2017, 10:03:56 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 06, 2017, 09:34:22 PM
Squad V Cavan

1. Niall Morgan - Éadan na dTorc - 53 appearances
2. Aidan McCrory - Aireagal Chiaráin - 85 appearances
3. Jonathan Monroe - An Charraig Mhór - 12 appearances
4. Ronan McNabb - An Droim Mhór - 49 appearances
5. Michael Cassidy - Ard Bó - Yet to make debut
6. Tiernan McCann - Coill an Chlochair - 44 appearances
7. Niall Sludden - An Droim Mhór - 17 appearances
8. Declan McClure - Cluain Eo - Yet to make debut
9. Padraig McNulty - Dún Geanainn - 30 appearances
10. Darren McCurry - Éadan na dTorc - 61 appearances
11. Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin - 104 appearances
12. Cahir McCullagh - An Caisleán Glas - Yet to make debut
13. Lee Brennan - Trí Leac - 7 appearances
14. Connor McAliskey - Cluain Eo - 60 appearances
15. Ronan O'Neill - An Omaigh - 54 appearances

16. Mickey O'Neill - Cluain Eo - 18 appearances
17. Ronan McHugh - Achadh Uí Aráin - Yet to make debut
18. Niall McKenna - Domhnach Mór - 39 appearances
19. Rory Brennan - Trí Leac - 20 appearances
20. Hugh Pat McGeary - Cabhán a'Chaortainn - 7 appearances
21. Sean Cavanagh - An Mhaigh - 225 appearances
22. Matthew Donnelly - Trí Leac - 81 appearances
23. Harry Loughran - An Mhaigh - Yet to make debut
24. Justin McMahon - An Omaigh - 101 appearances

Guess that answers my earlier question on Justy.

That's a very attack minded side.

Who do we think has the best chance of the new lads of making it? I would say Cassidy probably looks like the best fit with the type of player Harte likes. Mullan would be a natural defender which I don't think we have too many of in the squad, he went off injured against Armagh so that could damage his chances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 06, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 06, 2017, 08:43:09 PM
I'd give Niall Morgan another go this year. He never misses by much, the ball agonisingly glides wide as it has too much air. Serious specialist kicking coaching can sort that - Dave Alred was in Garvaghy few weeks back.

I assume this is a joke !!

Too much air LOL !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 07, 2017, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 06, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 06, 2017, 08:43:09 PM
I'd give Niall Morgan another go this year. He never misses by much, the ball agonisingly glides wide as it has too much air. Serious specialist kicking coaching can sort that - Dave Alred was in Garvaghy few weeks back.

I assume this is a joke !!

Too much air LOL !
Can we use a different ball with less air?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 08, 2017, 06:15:59 PM
Just back from Cavan, we were 2nd best all over the park. The new boys were given the opportunity and looked poor. We look to have picked up 2 possible long term injuries with R.Brennan and McAilskey. A poor red card both stupidity and poor refereeing combined. Our inside forward line was appalling pity Mark Bradley is with UUJ. Morgan again didn't cover himself in glory. McCullagh won't make the cut.

If I was looking hard to find any positives it is that it's only January and our 1st game out. We still can call on the Cavanaghs, McCarron and McNamee.  T.McCann a was out best player on show today, McClure worked hard but shots were awful either dropping short or wide, but still worth another shot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 08, 2017, 06:54:15 PM
McAliskey badly injured - possible cruciate I hear.

Unfortunate if true, good player who will be missed by county but more importantly clonoe!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HalfBack7 on January 08, 2017, 07:48:49 PM
I don't know what was worse today.
Tyrone's performance or the clueless referee trying to apply the new mark rule.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on January 08, 2017, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 06, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
If mchugh from aygharn not a free taker.we could nearly carry a player if it meant we had an accurate free taker on from the right. Anybody see him play.

Mark Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 08, 2017, 09:04:52 PM
What happened Rory Brennan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 08, 2017, 09:12:55 PM
I wasn't at the game but listening to teamtalk it appeared that they tried something different from long range frees i.e. free taker goes short and receives return at a better angle/distance. Don't recall it working though!

According to Teamtalk stats there were 13/14 shots dropped into keeper. Ridiculous at that level, really. Doesn't look to be any options to be added on today's showing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 08, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
im not on here to gloat but i did say mc gleenan was the man for the tyrone job. the result wont matter a jot come august but injuries this early in year to established players like mc aliskey are avoidable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 08, 2017, 09:53:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 08, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
im not on here to gloat but i did say mc gleenan was the man for the tyrone job. the result wont matter a jot come august but injuries this early in year to established players like mc aliskey are avoidable.

I'd be fairly confident that Tyrone will still be standing long after Mattie has packed away the cones for the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 08, 2017, 10:01:12 PM
ur prob right but i think the cavan people will be happier in themselves at the end of the year than we will be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on January 08, 2017, 10:05:05 PM
Jesus Christ did Mickey Harte run over your dog? It's bloody tedious
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 08, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
its bloody tedious watchin tyrone at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 08, 2017, 10:22:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 08, 2017, 10:01:12 PM
ur prob right but i think the cavan people will be happier in themselves at the end of the year than we will be.

;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 08, 2017, 10:24:13 PM
dont know what the smiley face is about benny but if u really gave a f**k about tyrone u wouldnt have much to smile about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 08, 2017, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 08, 2017, 10:24:13 PM
dont know what the smiley face is about benny but if u really gave a f**k about tyrone u wouldnt have much to smile about.

I'm just happy enough in myself to be honest and won't be losing my shit over a loss in the McKenna Cup in January. Tyrone get stick on here for winning McKenna Cups then get stick for losing a game in it. I tend to keep things on a more even keel. Believe it or not, not everyone agrees with your apolyptic view of Tyrone football under Mickey Harte. He's kept us competitive during a time of huge player turn over. Look at Armagh, Down, Meath, Galway, Cork, Derry and tell me that their chopping and changing of managers is a better strategy than we have employed in Tyrone. I think Tyrone have made progress in the past few years and think we aren't far away from a return to Croke Park in September, you clearly don't. That's why I'm a little more calm than you tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 08, 2017, 10:49:34 PM
There's some time between January 8th-3rd Week in September. Player Burnout and Managers "Common Sense" should prevail -

How many of the big teams played any 1st teamers today??

Donegal played their U-21. Mayo had 10 Debutants as their All Ireland team is on Holidays in SA. Dublin had a Full reserve team out. Kerry had 1 player from their Munster Final

Tyrone started with 9 Established Players and a Further 5 on the Bench

Madness
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2017, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: Club boi on January 08, 2017, 10:49:34 PM
There's some time between January 8th-3rd Week in September. Player Burnout and Managers "Common Sense" should prevail -

How many of the big teams played any 1st teamers today??

Donegal played their U-21. Mayo had 10 Debutants as their All Ireland team is on Holidays in SA. Dublin had a Full reserve team out. Kerry had 1 player from their Munster Final

Tyrone started with 9 Established Players and a Further 5 on the Bench

Madness

Monaghan had a fair few starting, the 3 big counties were away on their team holidays.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on January 09, 2017, 12:11:45 AM
I can see the value of having a few established players playing to help out the fringe players and newcomers. However the amount that played today i felt was a bit much. We are well aware of what Ronan McNabb, Tiernan McCann, Conor McAliskey etc bring to the table, why not give plenty of game time to Niall McKenna Ronan McHugh etc. They will probably start next saturday night but at the expense of McCullagh McClure etc. I dont see why they all dont get as much time as possible to impress and this might cut down on them trying to do to much to catch the eye in the time they have, as i felt happened today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on January 09, 2017, 12:38:07 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 06, 2017, 08:43:09 PM
I'd give Niall Morgan another go this year. He never misses by much, the ball agonisingly glides wide as it has too much air.

Too much air between your ears more like! lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2017, 10:50:52 PM
"It's the worst possible news that I could have hoped for".  The words of Connor McAliskey tonight after it was confirmed that he has torn both the MCL (Medial Collateral Ligament) and ACL (Anterior Cruciate Ligament).  McAliskey received the bad news tonight following an MRI scan this afternoon.  He's expected to meet with a knee surgeon in the coming days to talk through the extent of the damage.  "At this stage it doesn't look good.  It's tough to take because I'd so much to look forward to with the Clonoe and Tyrone.  Now I'll just have to dig in and work hard to get back to full fitness".
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 09, 2017, 10:56:58 PM
best of luck and speedy recovery to young mc aliskey. could this injury have been avoided or the risk lessened with a longer off season? did he play in the o fiach cup?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 09, 2017, 11:21:22 PM
Best of luck to him, he'll be a big loss

Hope he takes his time coming back and doesn't rush it, Conor Clarke should be a cautionary tale for any player rushing their comeback from a cruciate injury.

We've had a good few cruciate injuries in recent years - O'Neill, McNabb, Clarke and McAliskey now.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on January 10, 2017, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2017, 10:56:58 PM
best of luck and speedy recovery to young mc aliskey. could this injury have been avoided or the risk lessened with a longer off season? did he play in the o fiach cup?

not sure, he defo was involved with Ulster in Railway Cup
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 10, 2017, 09:33:22 AM
I see Harte on about McCarron's book saying so many on the moral high ground will be in danger of falling off. Moral high ground? Harte sure does irony  ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 10, 2017, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 10, 2017, 09:33:22 AM
I see Harte on about McCarron's book saying so many on the moral high ground will be in danger of falling off. Moral high ground? Harte sure does irony  ???

You need to read and clarify before you comment Longballin. He said people that are perfect ie no one basically would need to watch they don't mess up or make any mistakes in their lives. He is right, who are you or anyone to judge anyone for that matter in life ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 10, 2017, 12:25:17 PM
Conor's injury is a cruel bow to Clonoe and Tyrone as he was beginning to be a serious player for both
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 10, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 10, 2017, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 10, 2017, 09:33:22 AM
I see Harte on about McCarron's book saying so many on the moral high ground will be in danger of falling off. Moral high ground? Harte sure does irony  ???

You need to read and clarify before you comment Longballin. He said people that are perfect ie no one basically would need to watch they don't mess up or make any mistakes in their lives. He is right, who are you or anyone to judge anyone for that matter in life ?

his use of moral high ground was priceless.... lecturing on forgiveness (apart from RTE of course), religion, the rosary and a range of other subjects  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on January 10, 2017, 08:29:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 10, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 10, 2017, 12:24:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 10, 2017, 09:33:22 AM
I see Harte on about McCarron's book saying so many on the moral high ground will be in danger of falling off. Moral high ground? Harte sure does irony  ???

You need to read and clarify before you comment Longballin. He said people that are perfect ie no one basically would need to watch they don't mess up or make any mistakes in their lives. He is right, who are you or anyone to judge anyone for that matter in life ?

his use of moral high ground was priceless.... lecturing on forgiveness (apart from RTE of course), religion, the rosary and a range of other subjects  ::)


Have to agree, sick of listening to MH spout on about morals and principles etc! On another

What the odds on him being a president of Eire at some stage?! Although he'd have to maybe chat to RTE to do that!

Anyway, hopefully Conor gets the treatment he needs and doesn't rush coming back! A quality forward that Tyrone badly need at the minute, a class act!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 10, 2017, 10:11:47 PM
speaking hypothetically, if tyrone go off the rails and got relegated in league would there be any way of ousting harte and replacing him before champ starts?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 10, 2017, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2017, 10:50:52 PM
"It's the worst possible news that I could have hoped for".  The words of Connor McAliskey tonight after it was confirmed that he has torn both the MCL (Medial Collateral Ligament) and ACL (Anterior Cruciate Ligament).  McAliskey received the bad news tonight following an MRI scan this afternoon.  He's expected to meet with a knee surgeon in the coming days to talk through the extent of the damage.  "At this stage it doesn't look good.  It's tough to take because I'd so much to look forward to with the Clonoe and Tyrone.  Now I'll just have to dig in and work hard to get back to full fitness".
Absolutely gutted for Connor and terrible bad luck for Clonoe and Tyrone. Best of luck on the road back lad..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on January 11, 2017, 08:50:01 AM
That's a major blow for 2017. Scoring options are significantly reduced with McAliskey out and it's hard to see who will fill the gap
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 11, 2017, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 10, 2017, 10:11:47 PM
speaking hypothetically, if tyrone go off the rails and got relegated in league would there be any way of ousting harte and replacing him before champ starts?

Only if the O'Shea brothers transfer to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on January 11, 2017, 12:33:46 PM
A lot of lack of disrespect for MH on this thread, He's our most successful manager and yes he's had great teams but wasnt the team in the 80's considered one of our greatest ever and yes they didnt have any back door and probably would have won All Ireland otherwise but at the end of the day they didnt and MH has guided Tyrone to 3 all Ireland's so that deserves a lot of respect!

Also best wishes to Skeet, long recovery ahead but maybe he will get some game time later in year! McNabb was the most recent to do and came back roughly 6 months later so who knows, he might feature in the 3rd Sunday in September yet!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 11, 2017, 12:54:08 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on January 11, 2017, 12:33:46 PM
A lot of lack of disrespect for MH on this thread, He's our most successful manager and yes he's had great teams but wasnt the team in the 80's considered one of our greatest ever and yes they didnt have any back door and probably would have won All Ireland otherwise but at the end of the day they didnt and MH has guided Tyrone to 3 all Ireland's so that deserves a lot of respect!

Also best wishes to Skeet, long recovery ahead but maybe he will get some game time later in year! McNabb was the most recent to do and came back roughly 6 months later so who knows, he might feature in the 3rd Sunday in September yet!!

I agree with you 100%, but what would you expect from some people in here that never kicked a ball in their life at a high level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 11, 2017, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on January 11, 2017, 12:33:46 PM
A lot of lack of disrespect for MH on this thread, He's our most successful manager and yes he's had great teams but wasnt the team in the 80's considered one of our greatest ever and yes they didnt have any back door and probably would have won All Ireland otherwise but at the end of the day they didnt and MH has guided Tyrone to 3 all Ireland's so that deserves a lot of respect!

Also best wishes to Skeet, long recovery ahead but maybe he will get some game time later in year! McNabb was the most recent to do and came back roughly 6 months later so who knows, he might feature in the 3rd Sunday in September yet!!

100% agree, as soon as he does eventually leave I can see us struggling for a long time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 11, 2017, 02:40:05 PM
I think most Tyrone fans on here want Mickey to stay on as he has been the best manager we've ever had and many neutrals rate him as one of the best out there and think we're mad to let him go.
I think he should be given time to develop this new young team as he's got the experience of doing that.
Yes there are aspects of his methods I don't particularly like and wish we played a bit more attacking football but Mickey and his team know a lot more about the current state of football than I do.

I'd be curious if those who want him out can give decent arguments as to why they want him out and who they think would do a better job and why.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on January 11, 2017, 03:52:33 PM
Just a quick question fuzzman,
If M.H is entering his 15th year of management and we haven't won an all Ireland in 9 years, how long do you think we should give for developing players ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 11, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
If it was up to me I'd give him 3 more years to develop this new team as we've came through a long period of change and are hopefully coming out the other side with a new energetic young team. Whereas teams like Donegal and Mayo are seeing a lot of their older players reaching the age to retire.

I was reading that we only have 5 players from 2010 team; Sean, Colm, Justy, Petey and McCarron.

Do you think Leenie he should retire after 2017 if we don't win Sam?


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 11, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 11, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
If it was up to me I'd give him 3 more years to develop this new team as we've came through a long period of change and are hopefully coming out the other side with a new energetic young team. Whereas teams like Donegal and Mayo are seeing a lot of their older players reaching the age to retire.

I was reading that we only have 5 players from 2010 team; Sean, Colm, Justy, Petey and McCarron.

Do you think Leenie he should retire after 2017 if we don't win Sam?

he should stick to football and leave the other stuff to clergy men. And use a few forwards!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 11, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 11, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 11, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
If it was up to me I'd give him 3 more years to develop this new team as we've came through a long period of change and are hopefully coming out the other side with a new energetic young team. Whereas teams like Donegal and Mayo are seeing a lot of their older players reaching the age to retire.

I was reading that we only have 5 players from 2010 team; Sean, Colm, Justy, Petey and McCarron.

Do you think Leenie he should retire after 2017 if we don't win Sam?

he should stick to football and leave the other stuff to clergy men. And use a few forwards!


Your first point is nothing to do with management or football. Your second point shows your absolute lack of knowledge of the modern or game or quality of current tyrone panel.

I still think he needs a semi final and a performance this year to retain the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 11, 2017, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 11, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 11, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 11, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
If it was up to me I'd give him 3 more years to develop this new team as we've came through a long period of change and are hopefully coming out the other side with a new energetic young team. Whereas teams like Donegal and Mayo are seeing a lot of their older players reaching the age to retire.

I was reading that we only have 5 players from 2010 team; Sean, Colm, Justy, Petey and McCarron.

Do you think Leenie he should retire after 2017 if we don't win Sam?

he should stick to football and leave the other stuff to clergy men. And use a few forwards!


Your first point is nothing to do with management or football. Your second point shows your absolute lack of knowledge of the modern or game or quality of current tyrone panel.

I still think he needs a semi final and a performance this year to retain the job.

I'd agree with this.

The last two seasons have brought a bit of expectancy so we will need to kick on this year. We were a bit unlucky with how the QF draw went for us, I always think the team coming through the back door have a slight advantage over the provincial winner at this stage. I think our QF record is much better coming through the qualifier route than it is the Provincial route and even at that it was small margins that decided it.

QF Provinicial route is

P6 W2 L4

QF qualifer route is

P5 W4 L1

We just happened to draw by far the toughest team we could have and lost on the narrowest of margins this year but the expectancy will be an All Ireland semi-final this year and I think we will need to be competitive with Dublin up until the last kick of the game.

Kerry have got some very handy QF draws in recent years, they generally have a lot of bother in this round if they get a pretty decent side pitted against them.

2013 - Cavan
2014 - Galway
2015 - Kildare
2016 - Clare

Hopefully we'll get a bit of luck this year in a decent QF draw should we get there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on January 11, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Mickey Harte's biggest failure was convincing some of us that winning All Irelands is easy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 11, 2017, 08:26:57 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 11, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 11, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 11, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
If it was up to me I'd give him 3 more years to develop this new team as we've came through a long period of change and are hopefully coming out the other side with a new energetic young team. Whereas teams like Donegal and Mayo are seeing a lot of their older players reaching the age to retire.

I was reading that we only have 5 players from 2010 team; Sean, Colm, Justy, Petey and McCarron.

Do you think Leenie he should retire after 2017 if we don't win Sam?

he should stick to football and leave the other stuff to clergy men. And use a few forwards!


Your first point is nothing to do with management or football. Your second point shows your absolute lack of knowledge of the modern or game or quality of current tyrone panel.

I still think he needs a semi final and a performance this year to retain the job.

agree on first point if I want lectured about morals I dont need to hear them from a GAA manager- as for modern game, it is stifling that Tyrone team and as I said before when Sean goes... it'll be as far away as ever
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 11, 2017, 08:37:01 PM
looks like i stirred up some interesting conversation on here.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 11, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Mickey is having a chat show on 25 jan in Omagh.Wonder will he reveal anything about his future plans.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 11, 2017, 09:45:00 PM
a chatshow for what? who cares what his plans are. the people of tyrone should decide what happens, not mickey harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

Are you sure about that? The brand of football they have our u21's playing is awful. Apparently they played Pomeroy seniors during the week and played with 15 men in their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Do we really want to see the likes of Lee Brennan having to defend on his own 21?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

Are you sure about that? The brand of football they have our u21's playing is awful. Apparently they played Pomeroy seniors during the week and played with 15 men in their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Do we really want to see the likes of Lee Brennan having to defend on his own 21?

No difference to the way our senior team plays then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

Are you sure about that? The brand of football they have our u21's playing is awful. Apparently they played Pomeroy seniors during the week and played with 15 men in their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Do we really want to see the likes of Lee Brennan having to defend on his own 21?

No difference to the way our senior team plays then.

At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 12, 2017, 11:30:49 AM
In the last few years we have seen a few managers come out and say they will not be playing that defensive blanket style game and will line up 15 v 15 and go for it. Every time they were found wanting and got sucked in and destroyed on the break.
Even the Dubs have had to adapt to it as they found out v Donegal in 2014 what happens if you don't play in a similar way. Kerry and maybe to a lesser extent Mayo have both accepted you got to fight fire with fire so I can't see the next Tyrone manager trying to go back to the way the game used to be played unless there are rule changes.

Saying that though I think we do go too far bringing 14 if not 15 men into our own half and as I've said before I'd be happy to play with 3 forwards up all game who can win their own ball and keep possession until the cavalry arrive.

Leenie, I'm still waiting on your answer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 12, 2017, 12:03:06 PM
Dublin played 4 in their full forward line on Donegal kick outs this year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

Are you sure about that? The brand of football they have our u21's playing is awful. Apparently they played Pomeroy seniors during the week and played with 15 men in their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Do we really want to see the likes of Lee Brennan having to defend on his own 21?

No difference to the way our senior team plays then.

At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
This is not true. In the donegal and mayo games only ronan o neill played close to the opposition goals. Skeet played all over the place and everyone else dropped behind the ball when tyrone did not have possession
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

Are you sure about that? The brand of football they have our u21's playing is awful. Apparently they played Pomeroy seniors during the week and played with 15 men in their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Do we really want to see the likes of Lee Brennan having to defend on his own 21?

No difference to the way our senior team plays then.

At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
This is not true. In the donegal and mayo games only ronan o neill played close to the opposition goals. Skeet played all over the place and everyone else dropped behind the ball when tyrone did not have possession

Your missing the point, logan and dooher has the 15 men inside their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Micky Harte hasn't sunk to them depths yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

Are you sure about that? The brand of football they have our u21's playing is awful. Apparently they played Pomeroy seniors during the week and played with 15 men in their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Do we really want to see the likes of Lee Brennan having to defend on his own 21?

No difference to the way our senior team plays then.

At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
This is not true. In the donegal and mayo games only ronan o neill played close to the opposition goals. Skeet played all over the place and everyone else dropped behind the ball when tyrone did not have possession

Your missing the point, logan and dooher has the 15 men inside their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Micky Harte hasn't sunk to them depths yet.
My point has nothing to do with logan and dooher. My point is that what you were saying isn't true
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on January 12, 2017, 01:41:03 PM
I'll be honest fuzzman , I'm undecided, I haven't enjoyed county football for a while now, I still support and attend games but prefer to be more focused on my club. I try not to comment but enjoy seeing the various debates on here, and see points from all sides..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 01:59:57 PM
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Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

Are you sure about that? The brand of football they have our u21's playing is awful. Apparently they played Pomeroy seniors during the week and played with 15 men in their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Do we really want to see the likes of Lee Brennan having to defend on his own 21?

No difference to the way our senior team plays then.

At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
This is not true. In the donegal and mayo games only ronan o neill played close to the opposition goals. Skeet played all over the place and everyone else dropped behind the ball when tyrone did not have possession

Your missing the point, logan and dooher has the 15 men inside their own 45 when not in possession of the ball. Micky Harte hasn't sunk to them depths yet.
My point has nothing to do with logan and dooher. My point is that what you were saying isn't true

How the hells it not true, our senior doesn't play with 15 men behind the ball in their own 45 when not in possession, whereas our u21 team does. What don't you get you clown?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 12, 2017, 02:28:49 PM
I know what you mean Leenie. After the Mayo game last year I felt very disillusioned about the whole thing. I could understand how Mickey sent his team out to play v Donegal in the Ulster final but I thought the last 10 mins of that game would have taught them that if you can be brave and remove the shackles a bit then you have a better chance of winning. However I thought we were too scared to lose v Mayo and so never really showed our hand, even though we had several chances that we kicked wide.

It will be interesting to see how McGleenan does with Cavan as he has said he doesn't want to play a defensive style game but will he keep to his word when push comes to shove.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 02:51:18 PM
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At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
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Mickeys mafiat are worse than the dup. Your statement above is not true. Against the better teams we play one forward in the opposition half for large parts of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 12, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Someone on here said Logan and Dooher were mentioned for the Omagh job. I have also heard they are in line. Would this be possible, managing County U-21 and a Club team??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 12, 2017, 03:00:48 PM
It might be difficult but season could be over for u 21s 10 march.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 12, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

He also was given a royal flush hand with Dooher, Lawn, Canavan, Cavlan to add to those underage teams. So not by any stretch all down to Harte but he did do well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 02:51:18 PM
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At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
Mickeys mafiat are worse than the dup. Your statement above is not true. Against the better teams we play one forward in the opposition half for large parts of the game.
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It is true. I said at least our senior team plays with two men up front MOST OF THE TIME as opposed to 15 men in our own 45. I'm 100% correct in saying this. At what point did I say I supported the way Micky Harte has us playing football. We play an awful brand of football but it would get a whole lot worse under Logan and Dooher.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 04:12:17 PM
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At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
Mickeys mafiat are worse than the dup. Your statement above is not true. Against the better teams we play one forward in the opposition half for large parts of the game.

It is true. I said at least our senior team plays with two men up front MOST OF THE TIME as opposed to 15 men in our own 45. I'm 100% correct in saying this. At what point did I say I supported the way Micky Harte has us playing football. We play an awful brand of football but it would get a whole lot worse under Logan and Dooher.
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Were did i once talk about what Logan and Dooher would do. Although i do remember us winning an All Ireland U21 with Dan Mc Nulty and Lee Brennan playing close to the opposition goals
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 05:16:48 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 04:12:17 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 12, 2017, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 02:51:18 PM
[quote author=gaafan2


At least our senior team plays with two men up front most of the time. I for one do not want Fergal Logan or Brian Dooher anywhere near the senior team playing this brand of football. We need a man that's going to start playing a more attacking brand of football.
Mickeys mafiat are worse than the dup. Your statement above is not true. Against the better teams we play one forward in the opposition half for large parts of the game.

It is true. I said at least our senior team plays with two men up front MOST OF THE TIME as opposed to 15 men in our own 45. I'm 100% correct in saying this. At what point did I say I supported the way Micky Harte has us playing football. We play an awful brand of football but it would get a whole lot worse under Logan and Dooher.
Were did i once talk about what Logan and Dooher would do. Although i do remember us winning an All Ireland U21 with Dan Mc Nulty and Lee Brennan playing close to the opposition goals
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Your right and sparky Cavanagh played fairly high up the field too in support of the FF line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 05:53:03 PM
The football we're playing at the minute is suited to the players we have.

The team as a whole lacks physicality when you compare it to Dublin, Mayo and Kerry. Every serious team will crowd their defence with numbers. The two factors lacking with Tyrone at the minute is:
a) a reliable free taker
b) a top rate ball winner in the full forward line.

The likes of McCurry, Brennan, Bradley and O'Neill are all lovely footballers but I don't they're particularly great ball winners, especially in the air.

It's about getting the balance right, McAliskey is a big loss as he was a guy who could combine the inside and roving roll quite well, he had a great engine on him, good aggression and some class too. Bradley is a classy player but I'm unsure how effective a guy of his stature can be in the modern game when played in the full forward line. I think the reason he has been used out the pitch so far is that it allows him to get on the ball. Maybe he'll be given his chance this year in there to see how he gets on but I would have doubts, he has to be one of the smallest players playing county football at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 05:53:03 PM
The football we're playing at the minute is suited to the players we have.

The team as a whole lacks physicality when you compare it to Dublin, Mayo and Kerry. Every serious team will crowd their defence with numbers. The two factors lacking with Tyrone at the minute is:
a) a reliable free taker
b) a top rate ball winner in the full forward line.

The likes of McCurry, Brennan, Bradley and O'Neill are all lovely footballers but I don't they're particularly great ball winners, especially in the air.

It's about getting the balance right, McAliskey is a big loss as he was a guy who could combine the inside and roving roll quite well, he had a great engine on him, good aggression and some class too. Bradley is a classy player but I'm unsure how effective a guy of his stature can be in the modern game when played in the full forward line. I think the reason he has been used out the pitch so far is that it allows him to get on the ball. Maybe he'll be given his chance this year in there to see how he gets on but I would have doubts, he has to be one of the smallest players playing county football at the minute.
Are cormac costello or paul mannion big physical men ?
If mark Bradley was playing for dublin he wouldn't be spending most of his time in the half back line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on January 12, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 12, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

He also was given a royal flush hand with Dooher, Lawn, Canavan, Cavlan to add to those underage teams. So not by any stretch all down to Harte but he did do well.

Totally agree. Quite often managers get far too much credit especially in gaa circles. The bottom line is tyrone won the 3 all ireland titles with a lot of the same core squad of players. These players deserve most of the credit. Since the majority of those players have retired Harte has gone 9 seasons without getting close to repeating the success. He has had lots of talent to pick from including all ireland winners at underage level and a lot of those players have been managed badly. The way I see it he hasn't been able to adapt to a new group of players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on January 12, 2017, 07:24:51 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 05:53:03 PM
The football we're playing at the minute is suited to the players we have.

The team as a whole lacks physicality when you compare it to Dublin, Mayo and Kerry. Every serious team will crowd their defence with numbers. The two factors lacking with Tyrone at the minute is:
a) a reliable free taker
b) a top rate ball winner in the full forward line.

The likes of McCurry, Brennan, Bradley and O'Neill are all lovely footballers but I don't they're particularly great ball winners, especially in the air.

It's about getting the balance right, McAliskey is a big loss as he was a guy who could combine the inside and roving roll quite well, he had a great engine on him, good aggression and some class too. Bradley is a classy player but I'm unsure how effective a guy of his stature can be in the modern game when played in the full forward line. I think the reason he has been used out the pitch so far is that it allows him to get on the ball. Maybe he'll be given his chance this year in there to see how he gets on but I would have doubts, he has to be one of the smallest players playing county football at the minute.
Are cormac costello or paul mannion big physical men ?
If mark Bradley was playing for dublin he wouldn't be spending most of his time in the half back line

Mark Bradley would be no use on the 55 line defending, too small and opposition teams would target his alley of defence its the same as McCurry. Was it not McCurrys man scored 1-2 on Sunday off him. Bradley would be better served as an inside forward because he can shift and can win his own ball..on that note Bradley is twice the player as McCurry because he can win his own ball McCurry wants it too easy can't win the dirty ball wants to hit free kicks and 45s and even at that he has went off the boil.. Its all too easy hitting 45s in your own pitch with no one around and uploading it to youtube do it in Croke Park with 80,000 eyes on you and he cracks under pressure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 12, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 12, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 12, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

He also was given a royal flush hand with Dooher, Lawn, Canavan, Cavlan to add to those underage teams. So not by any stretch all down to Harte but he did do well.

Totally agree. Quite often managers get far too much credit especially in gaa circles. The bottom line is tyrone won the 3 all ireland titles with a lot of the same core squad of players. These players deserve most of the credit. Since the majority of those players have retired Harte has gone 9 seasons without getting close to repeating the success. He has had lots of talent to pick from including all ireland winners at underage level and a lot of those players have been managed badly. The way I see it he hasn't been able to adapt to a new group of players.

Harte also developed those lads through from minor. It's far too easy to say that we just had good players. We've had plenty of outstanding players before and won no All Irelands. Jeez we have some amount of whingers in this county. If you think Tyrone only won the AI because of the players then it's hardly surprising they haven't won another now that those players have retired. So Mickey gets no credit for winning the AI but takes all the blame when we don't. Looking at the other counties around us, I think we have done relatively well to still at least be competitive during the transition from that great team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on January 12, 2017, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 12, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 12, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 12, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

He also was given a royal flush hand with Dooher, Lawn, Canavan, Cavlan to add to those underage teams. So not by any stretch all down to Harte but he did do well.

Totally agree. Quite often managers get far too much credit especially in gaa circles. The bottom line is tyrone won the 3 all ireland titles with a lot of the same core squad of players. These players deserve most of the credit. Since the majority of those players have retired Harte has gone 9 seasons without getting close to repeating the success. He has had lots of talent to pick from including all ireland winners at underage level and a lot of those players have been managed badly. The way I see it he hasn't been able to adapt to a new group of players.

Harte also developed those lads through from minor. It's far too easy to say that we just had good players. We've had plenty of outstanding players before and won no All Irelands. Jeez we have some amount of whingers in this county. If you think Tyrone only won the AI because of the players then it's hardly surprising they haven't won another now that those players have retired. So Mickey gets no credit for winning the AI but takes all the blame when we don't. Looking at the other counties around us, I think we have done relatively well to still at least be competitive during the transition from that great team.

There is no doubt he did a good job with those players. My point is it was mainly the same core group of players he had at minor, u21 and senior. They were a great crop of players though and he trusted them completely. I feel though he kept a few of them on too long because he couldn't bring himself to trust the next generation of players. That's what I mean when I said he had managed badly the transition of several players who could've been really good. He has still kept tyrone competitive but that isn't really a big achievement because tyrone have had a lot of underage success and have plenty of talent to pick from.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 12, 2017, 10:37:22 PM
if i hear the word transition again il blow a fuckin fuse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 12, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 05:53:03 PM
The football we're playing at the minute is suited to the players we have.

The team as a whole lacks physicality when you compare it to Dublin, Mayo and Kerry. Every serious team will crowd their defence with numbers. The two factors lacking with Tyrone at the minute is:
a) a reliable free taker
b) a top rate ball winner in the full forward line.

The likes of McCurry, Brennan, Bradley and O'Neill are all lovely footballers but I don't they're particularly great ball winners, especially in the air.

It's about getting the balance right, McAliskey is a big loss as he was a guy who could combine the inside and roving roll quite well, he had a great engine on him, good aggression and some class too. Bradley is a classy player but I'm unsure how effective a guy of his stature can be in the modern game when played in the full forward line. I think the reason he has been used out the pitch so far is that it allows him to get on the ball. Maybe he'll be given his chance this year in there to see how he gets on but I would have doubts, he has to be one of the smallest players playing county football at the minute.
Are cormac costello or paul mannion big physical men ?
If mark Bradley was playing for dublin he wouldn't be spending most of his time in the half back line

Mannion is over 6ft.
Costello is not small either.

Bradley is about 5ft6 or 5ft7. I can't think of a shorter county player about at the minute, he's a fantastic player but I'd have doubts whether he can be effective inside in the modern game. One way to find out though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 12, 2017, 10:57:48 PM
if most of the top counties have taller athletic players now would they not find it difficult to mark a smaller , nimble forward like bradley? if the right kind of low ball was delivered would it not in theory give the small forward and advantage?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 12, 2017, 11:21:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 12, 2017, 10:37:22 PM
if i hear the word transition again il blow a fuckin fuse.

To be fair, you seem to blow the oul fuse fairly quickly anyway!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 11:22:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 12, 2017, 10:57:48 PM
if most of the top counties have taller athletic players now would they not find it difficult to mark a smaller , nimble forward like bradley? if the right kind of low ball was delivered would it not in theory give the small forward and advantage?

How do you deliver low ball through a wall of men encamped in front of the full back line?

That is why modern football has rendered the speedy, skilful corner forwards near obsolete. The premier inside forwards in the game today are the guys like McManus, Geaney, McBrearty etc.

Even Kerry had the 2014 POTY hovering around his own half back line for a lot of the AI final. You look at the damage O'Donoghue can do when teams play open football against him, he took Tyrone for 3 goals in a league game down in Killarney. He destroyed Dublin in the 2013 AI final and did the same in the 2014 AI semis against Mayo, so what did teams do with them, they dropped bodies back, they stopped the supply of ball into him and he has failed to make an impact since.

Football has changed, we can't play the type of ball Bradley, Brennan et all would thrive upon because the opposition are not going to allow these lads the time and space they crave. You have two options with mass defence these days, that's keep ball and wait patiently for the opening to come or to play the ball over the top. If you're going playing it over the top you need forwards who can win it anyway and can also play. We have the forwards who can play but we don't have those aggressive, rangy guys like McManus, McBrearty, Donaghy, Murphy, Andrews, Mannion, Geaney who can win it anyway and who can take their chances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 12, 2017, 11:31:53 PM
you mean guys like sean cavanagh, mattie donnelly, kyle coney, conan grugan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 12, 2017, 11:31:53 PM
you mean guys like sean cavanagh, mattie donnelly, kyle coney, conan grugan?

No I don't.

Coney and Grugan couldn't cut it. Donnelly and Cavanagh do their best work further out the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 13, 2017, 12:47:55 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 12, 2017, 11:31:53 PM
you mean guys like sean cavanagh, mattie donnelly, kyle coney, conan grugan?

No I don't.

Coney and Grugan couldn't cut it. Donnelly and Cavanagh do their best work further out the field.
You're some piece of work. Without doubt a legend in your own mind as to your knowledge of football. I almost feel honoured to read your stuff
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2017, 07:35:19 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 13, 2017, 12:47:55 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2017, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 12, 2017, 11:31:53 PM
you mean guys like sean cavanagh, mattie donnelly, kyle coney, conan grugan?

No I don't.

Coney and Grugan couldn't cut it. Donnelly and Cavanagh do their best work further out the field.
You're some piece of work. Without doubt a legend in your own mind as to your knowledge of football. I almost feel honoured to read your stuff

And what do you dispute in what I said?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 13, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Quote from: lenny on January 12, 2017, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 12, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 12, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 12, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 12, 2017, 08:25:06 AM
Mickey Harte deserves serious credit for those 3 all-Irelands, we wouldn't have won an all-Ireland without him, I do fear now that we wont win another AI with him in charge!!!

He was afforded the opportunity to work with the same group of players he guided from minor and U21, at some point the successful U21 management have to be given that opportunity.

He also was given a royal flush hand with Dooher, Lawn, Canavan, Cavlan to add to those underage teams. So not by any stretch all down to Harte but he did do well.

Totally agree. Quite often managers get far too much credit especially in gaa circles. The bottom line is tyrone won the 3 all ireland titles with a lot of the same core squad of players. These players deserve most of the credit. Since the majority of those players have retired Harte has gone 9 seasons without getting close to repeating the success. He has had lots of talent to pick from including all ireland winners at underage level and a lot of those players have been managed badly. The way I see it he hasn't been able to adapt to a new group of players.

Harte also developed those lads through from minor. It's far too easy to say that we just had good players. We've had plenty of outstanding players before and won no All Irelands. Jeez we have some amount of whingers in this county. If you think Tyrone only won the AI because of the players then it's hardly surprising they haven't won another now that those players have retired. So Mickey gets no credit for winning the AI but takes all the blame when we don't. Looking at the other counties around us, I think we have done relatively well to still at least be competitive during the transition from that great team.

There is no doubt he did a good job with those players. My point is it was mainly the same core group of players he had at minor, u21 and senior. They were a great crop of players though and he trusted them completely. I feel though he kept a few of them on too long because he couldn't bring himself to trust the next generation of players. That's what I mean when I said he had managed badly the transition of several players who could've been really good. He has still kept tyrone competitive but that isn't really a big achievement because tyrone have had a lot of underage success and have plenty of talent to pick from.

I know it suits the story that a lot of you are trying to portray on here that the All Irelands were won cause of that one great underage team that Harte happened to manage and they'd have won it without Harte but it doesn't totally add up. Lets have a wee look at the 2008 All Ireland winning team:

McConnell
McMenamin
Justy
Joe
D Harte
Gormley
Jordan
McGinley
Holmes
Dooher
Penrose
Mellon
McCullagh
Sean C
T McGuigan

Only 5 of that team was part of the underage all Ireland winning teams Harte managed - McConnell, Jordan, Gormley, McGinley, Mellon. Now you could argue that another 3 or 4 came of the bench in the final but most of them weren't used that much in that championship. So it doesn't back up the argument at all that he brought one great team through and stuck to them. There was other underage winners on that team and Harte proved that he was able to integrate them into an all Ireland winning team.

Another thing when you look at that team is that only 6 of the team started in 03 so it was 2 very different teams that one those all Irelands.

A manager is only as good as his players and unfortunately we haven't been good enough to win another Ireland since.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 13, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
Harte saying game at weekend against Jordanstown is critical  :o Why do they try to hype up this nonsense?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on January 13, 2017, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 13, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
Harte saying game at weekend against Jordanstown is critical  :o Why do they try to hype up this nonsense?

So he can provide a reason for putting out full strength team against a university, while other counties throw out u21s and last years subs! Oh and of course to provide sound-bites so he can put his mug in the papers and the news is about him!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 13, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
2008 certainly was an interesting year when you look back at that starting team and think of the players we were missing from other years. No Peter Canavan, Brian McGugian, Stephen O'Neill (though he came back for that 1 game), Gerard Cavlan and Chris Lawn was only a sub. Of course Dooher and Cavanagh were immense but the rest of that forward line punched above themselves in a way. McCullagh was a good freetaker and Sean was hitting good long range frees from his hands as well.
To come through the back door and beat Mayo, then Dublin and Wexford was quite impressive with using Sean at FF where he didn't particularly like playing. I must admit I thought we were there for the taking that year with Kerry in the final but I think the experience we had from winning the first two Sams stood to the team and to Mickey in the final.
If Mickey had of retired the year before I don't know would we have won that third Sam or have come back from the defeat against Down in the first round.

On another note, it sounds like a few of ye on here want us to lose on Sunday or will use anything to have a pop at Mickey. Winning is a good habit to be in and once you start losing games it's often hard to turn that around again. Would you be happy going into the league having lost all 3 McKenna cup games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 13, 2017, 11:05:36 AM
Anyway the general consensus is we have no man markers at the back able to mark good players like JOD and we have no forwards good enough to play up in the full forward line. We don't really have a good midfield either...........but we are not far off winning the All Ireland!
Listen I don't think anyone could win Sam with the current Tyrone team so I don't mind if it is Mickey or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 13, 2017, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 13, 2017, 11:05:36 AM
Anyway the general consensus is we have no man markers at the back able to mark good players like JOD and we have no forwards good enough to play up in the full forward line. We don't really have a good midfield either...........but we are not far off winning the All Ireland!
Listen I don't think anyone could win Sam with the current Tyrone team so I don't mind if it is Mickey or not.

The General Consensus by you it must be?? Because as a good Tyrone man living in Omagh i do not see that the problem. I think our forwards need the most work but our defense is very good i would think along with others.

Bit of tweaking in our game plan this year going forward and we wont be far away.

Are you going tomorrow night ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 13, 2017, 03:22:52 PM
Nothing critical about the game but no harm keeping players competitive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 13, 2017, 08:49:40 PM
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has made seven changes to the side that is due to take on UUJ in Omagh on Saturday night.  Cavan with Mickey O'Neill, Padraig Hampsey, Justin McMahon, Cathal McCarron, Colm Cavanagh, Niall McKenna and Ronan McHugh all come into the starting fifteen.  The game however is in doubt as TTM can reveal that a pitch inspection is due to take place in Omagh on Saturday afternoon.  If the game is postponed it is likely to take place in another Tyrone venue on Sunday afternoon.

Comórtas: Corn an Dr Mhic Cionnaith
Cluiche: Ollscoil Uladh v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: Páirc Uí hÉilí, an Omaigh
Dáta: 14 Eanáir 2017

1 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 18 appearances
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 9 appearances
3 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 101 appearances
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 87 appearances
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór – 50 appearances
6 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 45 appearances
7 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór – 13 appearances
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 123 appearances
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn – 31 appearances
10 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 105 appearances
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór – 18 appearances
12 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas – 1 appearance
13 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 8 appearances
14 – Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór – 40 appearances
15 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin – 1 appearance
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 13, 2017, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 13, 2017, 11:05:36 AM
Anyway the general consensus is we have no man markers at the back able to mark good players like JOD and we have no forwards good enough to play up in the full forward line. We don't really have a good midfield either...........but we are not far off winning the All Ireland!
Listen I don't think anyone could win Sam with the current Tyrone team so I don't mind if it is Mickey or not.
Damian Mc Caul
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 13, 2017, 09:47:07 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on January 13, 2017, 10:35:28 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 13, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
Harte saying game at weekend against Jordanstown is critical  :o Why do they try to hype up this nonsense?

So he can provide a reason for putting out full strength team against a university, while other counties throw out u21s and last years subs! Oh and of course to provide sound-bites so he can put his mug in the papers and the news is about him!

Kerry have named ten players this Sunday who played against Dublin in the semi last year. What way does that leave things? Is it ok to put out a strong team now cause they have in their competition?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 13, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
headline on back page of irish news, 'uu clash 'critical' says harte'. what an embaressment to the the people of tyrone who take so much pride in their football. pure and utter fame seeking trash talk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 13, 2017, 10:10:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 13, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
headline on back page of irish news, 'uu clash 'critical' says harte'. what an embaressment to the the people of tyrone who take so much pride in their football. pure and utter fame seeking trash talk.

f**k u are a clown
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 13, 2017, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 13, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
headline on back page of irish news, 'uu clash 'critical' says harte'. what an embaressment to the the people of tyrone who take so much pride in their football. pure and utter fame seeking trash talk.

But you were complaining that they lost v Cavan? Now your complaining because he's taking this game seriously! I don't know if you have ever played at any level at all but sometimes it's a good thing to treat every game as important, not to let standards slip, after a poor performance Mickey wants to get the team back into a winning habit. Would losing to UU not be a bigger embarrassment to the people of Tyrone who take so much pride in their football? I for one am glad we have a manager who takes the role seriously.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 13, 2017, 10:59:27 PM
winning games in july,august and september is all that matters. i couldnt give a shite if they lost every mc kenna cup game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on January 14, 2017, 07:32:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 13, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
headline on back page of irish news, 'uu clash 'critical' says harte'. what an embaressment to the the people of tyrone who take so much pride in their football. pure and utter fame seeking trash talk.

I'm just going to assume those two separate quotes were in the context of the McKenna cup and not an All Ireland QF.

I think your 'embarrassment' 'trash talk' is something similar to what you are accusing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 14, 2017, 08:35:28 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 13, 2017, 10:59:27 PM
winning games in july,august and september is all that matters. i couldnt give a shite if they lost every mc kenna cup game.

If you took any pride in your football and weren't just a July - Sept supporter then you wouldn't want to lose every McKenna cup game. I assume you don't go to these matches? You'd be the strange guy with all the Tyrone gear on shouting for the opposition salivating at the thought of getting back on here to slag off Mickey. Winning is a habit and breeds confidence, i'd never criticise a manager for winning games. Throwing a load of U21 or squad players in all at once serves no purpose. Getting hammered doesn't give those players the opportunity to show what they can do. Playing 4 or 5 new players alongside more established players gives them a fair chance to compete, show what they can do in a competitive game and show they are on the same wavelength as the rest of the more established players. I see no problem in Mickeys strategy for the McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 14, 2017, 01:39:26 PM
Is Tyrone game off !!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 14, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
jesus some of you will go to any length to blindly back harte. if winning all those mc kenna cup games is so good then how come in the last 5 years we never lost any out of 25 games and yet in the same period the only other cups we won was one ulster and one div 2 last year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on January 14, 2017, 06:30:39 PM
Quote from: Club boi on January 14, 2017, 01:39:26 PM
Is Tyrone game off !!!!!

Game is now in Carrickmore!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on January 14, 2017, 06:40:29 PM
Carrickmore. At 2PM
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 14, 2017, 07:01:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 14, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
jesus some of you will go to any length to blindly back harte. if winning all those mc kenna cup games is so good then how come in the last 5 years we never lost any out of 25 games and yet in the same period the only other cups we won was one ulster and one div 2 last year?

So the way to win the All Ireland is to lose more McKenna Cup games? Ah right, sounds feasible! By the way, Tyrone have no devine to win All Irelands. Not too many counties can boast two AI semi final places and a provincial championship in that 5 year period you are talking about. Armagh, Derry, Down, Galway, Meath, Monaghan, Kildare, etc wouldn't mind that level of failure!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 14, 2017, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 14, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
jesus some of you will go to any length to blindly back harte. if winning all those mc kenna cup games is so good then how come in the last 5 years we never lost any out of 25 games and yet in the same period the only other cups we won was one ulster and one div 2 last year?

What an idiot, so south hes in fermanagh maybe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on January 15, 2017, 07:24:20 PM
Who played well today was it a case of men against boys or what
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 15, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
Wasn't at the game but the full forward line seemed to give a good return.

Hope McKenna gets a few more games in at FF.

Seemed like there was quite a few of the u21s involved today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on January 15, 2017, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on January 15, 2017, 07:24:20 PM
Who played well today was it a case of men against boys or what

Quite a few men played well today, for me personally best performers was Munroe, sludden, Harte, Brennan, Hampsey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on January 16, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
Despite the fact he scored a goal, I think it is clear to be seen Niall McKenna is not a county footballer..looked out of his depth even against a depleted UUJ team. I can't see him making championship panels with Tyrone this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on January 16, 2017, 09:38:53 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on January 16, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
Despite the fact he scored a goal, I think it is clear to be seen Niall McKenna is not a county footballer..looked out of his depth even against a depleted UUJ team. I can't see him making championship panels with Tyrone this year

My guess he'll be retained as training ground fodder, playing nothing but in-house challenge games throughout the summer. What a way to write off 2017.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 16, 2017, 09:56:36 AM
I see from the report of the match in the IN that the free taking duties were scattered around again, is that right?
Petey, Brennan, McHugh, R.ONeill all scoring 1 free each.
Nice to see Lee Brennan getting 6 points from play.

Who are B McDonnell, N.Kelly and M.McKernan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on January 16, 2017, 10:06:49 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 16, 2017, 09:56:36 AM
I see from the report of the match in the IN that the free taking duties were scattered around again, is that right?
Petey, Brennan, McHugh, R.ONeill all scoring 1 free each.
Nice to see Lee Brennan getting 6 points from play.

Who are B McDonnell, N.Kelly and M.McKernan?

Ben McDonnell & Niall Kelly - Errigal and then Michael McKernan -Coalisland.

I think this was a case of a few of the u21 lads being called up to make up numbers i would assume?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 16, 2017, 10:46:02 AM
Quote from: tiempo on January 16, 2017, 09:38:53 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on January 16, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
Despite the fact he scored a goal, I think it is clear to be seen Niall McKenna is not a county footballer..looked out of his depth even against a depleted UUJ team. I can't see him making championship panels with Tyrone this year

My guess he'll be retained as training ground fodder, playing nothing but in-house challenge games throughout the summer. What a way to write off 2017.

He was last properly fit for championship football in 2014 and Harte played him in at least 3 games that summer. So not sure why you are so confident he wouldn't get a go if fit.

And even if he didn't make it in the championship this year why would he have to write of 2017? He'd still be available for ten of the 15 club league games for Donaghmore, any play off games and the championship. Sure 2 or 3 of the Trillick boys didn't make the Tyrone team last year but were able to contribute to a Tyrone championship win. Same for Conall McCann with Killyclogher this year and some of the Omagh boys before that. Donaghmore wont be winning the championship with or without him but he can still make a good impact for them.

Also he's already played a few games for Tyrone this year and no doubt will get time during the national league, so he'll probably end up playing in more competitive games this year than the average club player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 16, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
What's the story now with McKenna cup semi-final qualification??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on January 16, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 16, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
What's the story now with McKenna cup semi-final qualification??
Not quite sure but I would presume that Tyrone have to beat Donegal and hope UUJ beat Cavan? Haven't saw any updated tables to confirm this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 16, 2017, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on January 16, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 16, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
What's the story now with McKenna cup semi-final qualification??
Not quite sure but I would presume that Tyrone have to beat Donegal and hope UUJ beat Cavan? Haven't saw any updated tables to confirm this

Based on yesterdays performance I'd expect Cavan to dispose of UUJ so Tyrone will be looking at the best runner up spot and yesterdays score-line will assist them in making that.  Tyrone will have to beat Donegal handsomely also because Armagh are also placed well after their demolition of QUB. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on January 16, 2017, 11:57:32 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 16, 2017, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on January 16, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 16, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
What's the story now with McKenna cup semi-final qualification??
Not quite sure but I would presume that Tyrone have to beat Donegal and hope UUJ beat Cavan? Haven't saw any updated tables to confirm this

Based on yesterdays performance I'd expect Cavan to dispose of UUJ so Tyrone will be looking at the best runner up spot and yesterdays score-line will assist them in making that.  Tyrone will have to beat Donegal handsomely also because Armagh are also placed well after their demolition of QUB.

It was a very under strength UUJ team, will all depend I would imagine on what players are available against Cavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 16, 2017, 12:42:01 PM
The tables are up on the Ulster GAA website  (http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results)

The highest 2nd place position is still very much up for grabs.
Armagh play Down on Wed and if they win that they will win the group with a current point difference of +15. Down are on 4 points but with only +4. A draw would not be enough for Armagh to qualify.

In section B Monaghan look likely winners playing St Marys on Wed night with 2nd place Fermanagh with a point diff of +5 due to meet Antrim at home on Wed night.

In section C Cavan will surely overcome UUJ and so win the group with Tyrone probably taking 2nd place if they beat Donegal. Tyrone currently have a score difference of +9 so I suppose it will come down to the Fermanagh v Antrim match and unless Fermanagh win by 5+ more than Tyrone beat Donegal then Tyrone go through.

If Derry should also hammer Queens they too have a chance of qualifying but again Tyrone have a 9 point advantage over them as Derry are on +0.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 16, 2017, 01:11:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 16, 2017, 12:42:01 PM
The tables are up on the Ulster GAA website  (http://"http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/")

The highest 2nd place position is still very much up for grabs.
Armagh play Down on Wed and if they win that they will win the group with a current point difference of +15. Down are on 4 points but with only +4. A draw would not be enough for Armagh to qualify.

In section B Monaghan look likely winners playing St Marys on Wed night with 2nd place Fermanagh with a point diff of +5 due to meet Antrim at home on Wed night.

In section C Cavan will surely overcome UUJ and so win the group with Tyrone probably taking 2nd place if they beat Donegal. Tyrone currently have a score difference of +9 so I suppose it will come down to the Fermanagh v Antrim match and unless Fermanagh win by 5+ more than Tyrone beat Donegal then Tyrone go through.

If Derry should also hammer Queens they too have a chance of qualifying but again Tyrone have a 9 point advantage over them as Derry are on +0.
Cheers for that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 16, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: WBF on January 16, 2017, 10:06:49 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 16, 2017, 09:56:36 AM
I see from the report of the match in the IN that the free taking duties were scattered around again, is that right?
Petey, Brennan, McHugh, R.ONeill all scoring 1 free each.
Nice to see Lee Brennan getting 6 points from play.

Who are B McDonnell, N.Kelly and M.McKernan?

Ben McDonnell & Niall Kelly - Errigal and then Michael McKernan -Coalisland.

I think this was a case of a few of the u21 lads being called up to make up numbers i would assume?
After the player losses against Cavan, a few of the U21s were called up to fill out the bench, not surprising consideing only Morgan, McClure, O'Neill and McCurry were named subs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 16, 2017, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 16, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
What's the story now with McKenna cup semi-final qualification??

Goes on scoring average, not difference.

I think if Tyrone win it should see them through. The fact that Armagh play Down means winner goes through as group A winners. Monaghan and Cavan should win their final games so it will all then come down to the scoring average of Tyrone, Derry and Fermanagh (providing they all win) for best 2nd place team, with Tyrone best placed out of the 3 of them at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 16, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
surely down are in with a shout even if they lose against Armagh as best runner up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 16, 2017, 03:18:47 PM
If they lose their scoring average will decrease and the other teams will see their average increase providing that they win.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 16, 2017, 04:18:11 PM
6 in a row looks good again with big Sean returning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 16, 2017, 05:05:04 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 16, 2017, 04:18:11 PM
6 in a row looks good again with big Sean returning.
If Mickey's troops do pull this one out of the fire, then it will be the best of the 6 by far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 16, 2017, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 16, 2017, 05:05:04 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 16, 2017, 04:18:11 PM
6 in a row looks good again with big Sean returning.
If Mickey's troops do pull this one out of the fire, then it will be the best of the 6 by far.

Surly last years was the best no? 2 men down, 3  points down, 3 minutes left and we draw and win in extra time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 16, 2017, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 16, 2017, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 16, 2017, 05:05:04 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 16, 2017, 04:18:11 PM
6 in a row looks good again with big Sean returning.
If Mickey's troops do pull this one out of the fire, then it will be the best of the 6 by far.

Surly last years was the best no? 2 men down, 3  points down, 3 minutes left and we draw and win in extra time.

Hopefully someone will have the good sense to release a Kerrys Golden Years type DVD of the 6 in a row!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 16, 2017, 11:15:47 PM
benny youve just summed up whats wrong in tyrone right now. your salivating over the prospect of 6 in a row mc kenna cups. and if it happens you will be hailing mickey as some kind of genious. utterly pathetic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 17, 2017, 06:30:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 16, 2017, 11:15:47 PM
benny youve just summed up whats wrong in tyrone right now. your salivating over the prospect of 6 in a row mc kenna cups. and if it happens you will be hailing mickey as some kind of genious. utterly pathetic.

Aye that's what's happening alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 17, 2017, 09:54:20 AM
I see Mickey Harte in today's IN is saying that there is a feeling out there that most county players don't play many games for their clubs and there are those in the squad that never get a game with the county and also don't get to play for their club but he says that's not true in Tyrone, they only miss 4 or 5 starred games.

I'm a long time away from the club scene now and was just wondering is he right? Do most of the panel play many league games each year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on January 17, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
There are 6 starred games a year, so they are available for all other games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on January 17, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 17, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
There are 6 starred games a year, so they are available for all other games.

Can only be a maximum 5 starred games in total..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on January 17, 2017, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on January 17, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 17, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
There are 6 starred games a year, so they are available for all other games.

Can only be a maximum 5 starred games in total..

Apologies Legoman, you're correct. Not sure why I had 6 in my head.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on January 17, 2017, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 17, 2017, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on January 17, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 17, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
There are 6 starred games a year, so they are available for all other games.

Can only be a maximum 5 starred games in total..

Apologies Legoman, you're correct. Not sure why I had 6 in my head.


He missed out on the bit where there is no matches for weeks due to training on county free week ends and training camps away in the Carlton house...selective as usual from Mickey...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 17, 2017, 12:48:04 PM
Lads, firstly I thought it was nice of Irish News/mickey harte to allow aaron kernan a bit of space to squeeze his column in between the two page startling feature where mickey tells us that club players aren't really that hard done by and that county players don't actually miss too many club games. So what's the big issue ??
The big issue is that as long as mickey has practically full control over a county panel of approx 35 players for 9 or 10 months a year he is happy. He doesn't seem to know or want to know why the CPA has been set up.
Fix the fixtures !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 17, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
I'm pretty sure league games weren't cancelled last year due to training weekends and that Harte stuck to the 13 day rule. A quick check shows that from the leagues started on the 10th April the county players were available for 7 league games up to 24th July. They also would have played 4 ulster championship matches during this time. I'd be pretty confident that no other top counties club players were available for more games during this time.

That doesn't mean that everything is ok for club footballers and that is the point Harte missed. There is no schedule of games and they just seem to be thrown together with too many long delays in the season and the season running too long. Club players need to play regular games when the county players aren't available and clubs have to accept games without them. It seems that the first 7 or so games with county players get played ok but its the last 3 that holds everything up.

In some ways 12 team leagues would be better as you could play 7 matches with county men and 4 starred games and have the leagues wrapped up pre championship. But then this probably isn't enough games so you'd need some form of another competition during the summer when no county players but clubs don't seem to buy into them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 17, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
How often do county players train with their clubs from Jan to Aug?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 17, 2017, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 17, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
How often do county players train with their clubs from Jan to Aug?

That probably depends on the individual county player and their commitment to club football.  I know some county players that wont train with their club at all bar a bit of pre season work.

I would imagine it varies club to club
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 17, 2017, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 17, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
I'm pretty sure league games weren't cancelled last year due to training weekends and that Harte stuck to the 13 day rule. A quick check shows that from the leagues started on the 10th April the county players were available for 7 league games up to 24th July. They also would have played 4 ulster championship matches during this time. I'd be pretty confident that no other top counties club players were available for more games during this time.

That doesn't mean that everything is ok for club footballers and that is the point Harte missed. There is no schedule of games and they just seem to be thrown together with too many long delays in the season and the season running too long. Club players need to play regular games when the county players aren't available and clubs have to accept games without them. It seems that the first 7 or so games with county players get played ok but its the last 3 that holds everything up.

In some ways 12 team leagues would be better as you could play 7 matches with county men and 4 starred games and have the leagues wrapped up pre championship. But then this probably isn't enough games so you'd need some form of another competition during the summer when no county players but clubs don't seem to buy into them.

Ive always thought it and now i'm sure. Redhand Santa must be Mickey Harte. You solution to the problem is to shorten the club season. Not one mention of the county season just a bit to tell us that clubs must accept to play league games without their county men. Nobody with any interest whatsoever in club football would come up with this crap. The CPA can't come quick enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on January 17, 2017, 04:07:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 17, 2017, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 17, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
I'm pretty sure league games weren't cancelled last year due to training weekends and that Harte stuck to the 13 day rule. A quick check shows that from the leagues started on the 10th April the county players were available for 7 league games up to 24th July. They also would have played 4 ulster championship matches during this time. I'd be pretty confident that no other top counties club players were available for more games during this time.

That doesn't mean that everything is ok for club footballers and that is the point Harte missed. There is no schedule of games and they just seem to be thrown together with too many long delays in the season and the season running too long. Club players need to play regular games when the county players aren't available and clubs have to accept games without them. It seems that the first 7 or so games with county players get played ok but its the last 3 that holds everything up.

In some ways 12 team leagues would be better as you could play 7 matches with county men and 4 starred games and have the leagues wrapped up pre championship. But then this probably isn't enough games so you'd need some form of another competition during the summer when no county players but clubs don't seem to buy into them.

Ive always thought it and now i'm sure. Redhand Santa must be Mickey Harte. You solution to the problem is to shorten the club season. Not one mention of the county season just a bit to tell us that clubs must accept to play league games without their county men. Nobody with any interest whatsoever in club football would come up with this crap. The CPA can't come quick enough

Has to be. Just looked through his old posts. Every other one about Harte and this 13 day rule. Either he is Harte or comes from an awful club so he has to support the county team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 17, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
Why don't one of you two go and check how many games county players were available for in the other top counties between April and July and see what the results are. If you listen to some of you lads the problem is all with Harte. In reality the Tyrone boys were available more than in most other counties. The issue is with the current system. You'll find if there was a different county manager things certainly wouldn't be any different. Do you really believe it would?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 17, 2017, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 17, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
Why don't one of you two go and check how many games county players were available for in the other top counties between April and July and see what the results are. If you listen to some of you lads the problem is all with Harte. In reality the Tyrone boys were available more than in most other counties. The issue is with the current system. You'll find if there was a different county manager things certainly wouldn't be any different. Do you really believe it would?
Mickey you just don't get it. I don't care what county players missed what games for their clubs. My issue is that the county season must be shortened to give the vast majority of footballers in ireland some type of idea how their year will pan out. All you are worried about is the number of starred games there is
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 17, 2017, 04:28:43 PM
I defended Harte in terms of the current situation regarding county players being available. I also said he missed the point in terms of the issues with club football which are there is no clear set of fixtures, there is too big a gaps between games at times and it drags out too long. Not sure if you missed that in my original post.

Even if the county season was shortened it will still take place in the middle of summer which will still effect the club season. Something needs to be done to provide regular games during that period so club players aren't training with no games. Even if they brought the All Ireland final forward to end of August things might not be that much better cause there was still big issues this year and Tyrone were out early August.

To me during that time you have to either play more starred games or have some separate summer competition. I've no idea what other solution there is. Some could argue a split season between club and county but is that practical?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 17, 2017, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 17, 2017, 04:28:43 PM
I defended Harte in terms of the current situation regarding county players being available. I also said he missed the point in terms of the issues with club football which are there is no clear set of fixtures, there is too big a gaps between games at times and it drags out too long. Not sure if you missed that in my original post.

Even if the county season was shortened it will still take place in the middle of summer which will still effect the club season. Something needs to be done to provide regular games during that period so club players aren't training with no games. Even if they brought the All Ireland final forward to end of August things might not be that much better cause there was still big issues this year and Tyrone were out early August.

To me during that time you have to either play more starred games or have some separate summer competition. I've no idea what other solution there is. Some could argue a split season between club and county but is that practical?
Good post.
No need to always jump to Mickeys defence though. (Still think you might be him)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
I would be suprised if East Tyrone and In Hiding were actually Shea McGuigan and Kyle Coney.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 17, 2017, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
I would be suprised if East Tyrone and In Hiding were actually Shea McGuigan and Kyle Coney.
Ah Mark can't pull the wool over your eyes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc (54)
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail (10)
3 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh (102)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór (88)
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór (51)
6 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair (45)
7 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór (14)
8 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac (82)
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn (32)
10 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo (2)
11 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh (56)
12 – Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór (41)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc (63)
14 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas (2)
15 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin (2)
16 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo (19)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac (9)
18 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (124)
19 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (225)
20 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin (106)
21 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór (19)


The three defenders called into the panel this year all seem to be injured at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on January 17, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc (54)
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail (10)
3 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh (102)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór (88)
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór (51)
6 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair (45)
7 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór (14)
8 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac (82)
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn (32)
10 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo (2)
11 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh (56)
12 – Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór (41)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc (63)
14 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas (2)
15 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin (2)
16 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo (19)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac (9)
18 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (124)
19 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (225)
20 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin (106)
21 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór (19)


The three defenders called into the panel this year all seem to be injured at the minute.

Ruairi Mullan left the panel I believe, Michael Cassidy got injured against Cavan, Harry Loughran hasn't featured at all, what is the nature of his injury?
Conor Clarke and David Mulgrew also havent featured, what is the nature of their absences?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on January 17, 2017, 10:10:42 PM
David Mulgrew is currently recovering from a shoulder operation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on January 17, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc (54)
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail (10)
3 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh (102)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór (88)
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór (51)
6 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair (45)
7 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór (14)
8 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac (82)
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn (32)
10 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo (2)
11 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh (56)
12 – Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór (41)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc (63)
14 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas (2)
15 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin (2)
16 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo (19)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac (9)
18 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (124)
19 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (225)
20 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin (106)
21 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór (19)


The three defenders called into the panel this year all seem to be injured at the minute.

Ruairi Mullan left the panel I believe, Michael Cassidy got injured against Cavan, Harry Loughran hasn't featured at all, what is the nature of his injury?
Conor Clarke and David Mulgrew also havent featured, what is the nature of their absences?

Mullan went off injured in the O'Fiach game against Armagh. Did he leave the panel after that?

Clarke also went off injured in the same game and hasn't played since.

Loughran was with the squad Sunday but was not togged so presumably he is carrying an injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on January 17, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
One thing we are sure with clarke he will be broken down most of the time...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on January 17, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on January 17, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc (54)
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail (10)
3 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh (102)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór (88)
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór (51)
6 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair (45)
7 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór (14)
8 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac (82)
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn (32)
10 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo (2)
11 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh (56)
12 – Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór (41)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc (63)
14 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas (2)
15 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin (2)
16 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo (19)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac (9)
18 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (124)
19 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (225)
20 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin (106)
21 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór (19)


The three defenders called into the panel this year all seem to be injured at the minute.

Ruairi Mullan left the panel I believe, Michael Cassidy got injured against Cavan, Harry Loughran hasn't featured at all, what is the nature of his injury?
Conor Clarke and David Mulgrew also havent featured, what is the nature of their absences?

Mullan went off injured in the O'Fiach game against Armagh. Did he leave the panel after that?

Clarke also went off injured in the same game and hasn't played since.

Loughran was with the squad Sunday but was not togged so presumably he is carrying an injury.
Disappointing for them, will be hard to make an impact going forward with the other players rejoining the panel from the colleges and all looking opportunities to impress.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on January 18, 2017, 10:52:11 AM
Looks like Tyrone will be in the semis after all :)

"Tyrone's sloppy first half performance was forgiven as they squeezed an eventual 13-point margin of victory puts them in a strong position to qualify, most likely as the best runner-up.
Their scoring average (1.34) is considerably stronger than that of Fermanagh (1.17), Down (1.16) and Derry (1.00). Armagh's stronger scoring average of 1.53 will have no impact if Tyrone beat Donegal, because the Orchard will either top section A and qualify automatically, or finish with fewer points than the Red Hands."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on January 18, 2017, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 17, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc (54)
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail (10)
3 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh (102)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór (88)
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór (51)
6 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair (45)
7 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór (14)
8 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac (82)
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn (32)
10 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo (2)
11 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh (56)
12 – Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór (41)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc (63)
14 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas (2)
15 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin (2)
16 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo (19)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac (9)
18 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (124)
19 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (225)
20 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin (106)
21 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór (19)


The three defenders called into the panel this year all seem to be injured at the minute.

Has Harte finally seen the light with Aidan McCrory? Two games in a row he is not starting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 18, 2017, 12:36:44 PM
Aidan is injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on January 18, 2017, 01:00:01 PM
Roll on the league and end this Mckenna Cup thrash.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 18, 2017, 02:17:09 PM
How do they work out the scoring averages?
Tyrone so far have scored 0.12 v Cavan and 2.17 v UU so that's a total of 2.29.
How do they get a score average of 1.34?

Looks like Mickey is putting out a strong team as he wants the extra games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 18, 2017, 02:49:04 PM
Total scored / Total conceded = scoring average Fuzzman.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on January 18, 2017, 04:44:12 PM
If anything it encourages defensive play. If you win 8-4 (4 point margin) your scoring average is 2. If you win 24-16 (8 point margin) your scoring average is only 1.5. You'd wonder who comes up with these rules
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 18, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on January 18, 2017, 02:49:04 PM
Total scored / Total conceded = scoring average Fuzzman.

What if the opposition don't score?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on January 18, 2017, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 18, 2017, 12:36:44 PM
Aidan is injured.

Knew it was to good to be true  >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on January 18, 2017, 07:15:37 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 18, 2017, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 18, 2017, 12:36:44 PM
Aidan is injured.

Knew it was to good to be true  >:(

I'm sure this has been covered before .... However would people agree that Aidan mccrory wouldn't have had as much chances if he didn't play for errigal?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 18, 2017, 07:45:04 PM
Christ that will really bore us to death. Anyone at the game. Give us few updates or match report if u can.  Cheers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 18, 2017, 11:17:23 PM
Just reading the scores and looking at the tables on the Ulster GAA website.
Armagh will be annoyed that they beat Down so well yet queens capitulated to give Derry 1st place but Cavans defeat by UU was even a bigger shock.
Tyrone v Derry final again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on January 18, 2017, 11:35:08 PM
Similiar to Sunday, not much can be taken away from hammering Donegals U21 team.
Although was dissapointed by the contribution of McHugh and Niall McKenna against poor opposition, bound to be under pressure to make the league squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 19, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
With the injuries, I wonder if Mickey will keep an extended squad on past the McKenna Cup?

If we keep the same size squad as last year, it would definitely mean a place is open for 2 of the new faces to make the cut given McAliskey will be gone for the year and Tierney opted off. You also have the other factor that the likes of Loughran and Cassidy have had injuries interfere with their audition, so to speak.

I wonder if McHugh will be kept on now given the injury to McAliskey. O'Neill is now our only real right footed scoring forward in the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 19, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Mickey will be fielding his strongest team from now on. Mark Bradley and the other college players will be in the squad sunday.Results are what matters now to siience his detractors and to extend his tenure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on January 19, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 19, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Mickey will be fielding his strongest team from now on. Mark Bradley and the other college players will be in the squad sunday.Results are what matters now to siience his detractors and to extend his tenure.
And therein lies the issue, MH goes out to win mckenna cup to extend his tenure!! Unbelieveable. Have we set our standards that low?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 19, 2017, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on January 19, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 19, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Mickey will be fielding his strongest team from now on. Mark Bradley and the other college players will be in the squad sunday.Results are what matters now to siience his detractors and to extend his tenure.
And therein lies the issue, MH goes out to win mckenna cup to extend his tenure!! Unbelieveable. Have we set our standards that low?
considering that for four years between 2012 -2015 inclusive the mc kenna cup is the only trophy we lifted i think its safe to say its whats been keeping mickey in the job. im sure some day people will realise its what happens at the business end of the championship that really matters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 19, 2017, 11:29:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 19, 2017, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on January 19, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 19, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Mickey will be fielding his strongest team from now on. Mark Bradley and the other college players will be in the squad sunday.Results are what matters now to siience his detractors and to extend his tenure.
And therein lies the issue, MH goes out to win mckenna cup to extend his tenure!! Unbelieveable. Have we set our standards that low?
considering that for four years between 2012 -2015 inclusive the mc kenna cup is the only trophy we lifted i think its safe to say its whats been keeping mickey in the job. im sure some day people will realise  its what happens at the business end of the championship that really matters.

Do you guys genuinely believe that the McKenna Cup has kept Mickey in his job? Seriously, Do you really think that's how these things work? Or do you think it may have been the two all Ireland semi final appearances during that time in 2013 and 2015 following the promotion to div 1 in 2012 and the appearance in a div 1 league final in 2013? That's not bad progress in a four year period. During that era do you think we had better players than Dublin, Donegal and Kerry? Did we seriously underperform to warrant a change of manager or, on reflection, was there just a few better teams than us?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on January 20, 2017, 09:28:04 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 19, 2017, 11:29:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 19, 2017, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on January 19, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 19, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Mickey will be fielding his strongest team from now on. Mark Bradley and the other college players will be in the squad sunday.Results are what matters now to siience his detractors and to extend his tenure.
And therein lies the issue, MH goes out to win mckenna cup to extend his tenure!! Unbelieveable. Have we set our standards that low?
considering that for four years between 2012 -2015 inclusive the mc kenna cup is the only trophy we lifted i think its safe to say its whats been keeping mickey in the job. im sure some day people will realise  its what happens at the business end of the championship that really matters.

Lets get real from '08 to '16 nothing of any note was won! MH has targetted winning the McKenna Cup and I read an article once where he was basically trying to justify his position by spouting about the number of trophies that had been won during his tenure, and that included the O'Fiaich Cup and numerous prestigious McKenna Cups!! Nothing less than retaining Div1, Ulster championship and at least a final appearance in Sept will be progress this year! How long does he need to "re-build" after '08??



Do you guys genuinely believe that the McKenna Cup has kept Mickey in his job? Seriously, Do you really think that's how these things work? Or do you think it may have been the two all Ireland semi final appearances during that time in 2013 and 2015 following the promotion to div 1 in 2012 and the appearance in a div 1 league final in 2013? That's not bad progress in a four year period. During that era do you think we had better players than Dublin, Donegal and Kerry? Did we seriously underperform to warrant a change of manager or, on reflection, was there just a few better teams than us?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 20, 2017, 09:50:08 AM
Can you link that article JP2020? I can never recall Mickey Harte listing out the number of trophies he has won - it wouldnt be his style.

Best man for the job at the moment. There are no other candidates that have put their hand up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 20, 2017, 10:30:23 AM
I am sure a new man can come in, bring in all the County standard players Mickey isn't using, get them playing a more attractive type of football, make them available to their clubs more and win the All-Ireland.

I am not Mickeys biggest fan but if anyone thinks replacing him will get us playing 1970's catch and kick to a level that will win the All-Ireland or solve the fixtures issue they need to think again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 20, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
Leo who are the players not in the team or squad who you think would bring Sam back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 20, 2017, 03:33:03 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 20, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
Leo who are the players not in the team or squad who you think would bring Sam back.

The complete sentence was hyperbole. It is an accumulation of the 3 biggest gripes people seem to have about Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 03:33:57 PM
I see the Irish news are continuing their almost daily pro Harte tripe. Becoming a real joke that paper!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 20, 2017, 04:10:21 PM
STG, your continual defamation of Harte is insufferable.  All I am seeing from the Harte bashers is problem focus. Do us a favour and list out three key changes a manager would do to satisfy your wishes for the future direction of our play. List players not included from within the club scene and how they would fit in.

I am not saying Harte is perfect as we went too defensive in the run in last year and I hope, for instance, he'll abandon this policy of leaving one small man up front.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 04:39:31 PM
Omagh gael, all I want from a manager is to pick the best players available to us and play the best football we can so that we can say honestly that we played to our full potential, then if we aren't good enough then fine. I don't feel we are getting that and I'm certainly not the only one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 04:45:30 PM
Can any anyone here tell me they actually enjoy watchin Tyrone play nowadays? Has anyone noticed how much our attendances have fallen? Did u see how we were outnumbered 4/1 by Donegal supporters in last yrs ulster final? Ask urself, why?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 20, 2017, 05:53:14 PM
I fully agree that our style of play is hard on the eye but that's the way football is going these days. The Dubs are the only team that can really step away from the 'common' style at the minute due to the players they possess. I am hoping Harte took a lot from last year and we commit at least one more man to the FF line.

On a separate note, I notice Cathal McShane won MotM for the ranch on Wednesday evening. He was named at FF.  I wonder did he play there for most of the game and would he be an option up front for us? Perhaps with Bradley playing off him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 20, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 20, 2017, 05:53:14 PM
I fully agree that our style of play is hard on the eye but that's the way football is going these days. The Dubs are the only team that can really step away from the 'common' style at the minute due to the players they possess. I am hoping Harte took a lot from last year and we commit at least one more man to the FF line.

On a separate note, I notice Cathal McShane won MotM for the ranch on Wednesday evening. He was named at FF.  I wonder did he play there for most of the game and would he be an option up front for us? Perhaps with Bradley playing off him?

Six points. Five from play.
I wasn't chatting to him but seen highlights earlier and he appeared to line out at a fairly orthodox FF role.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 20, 2017, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 04:45:30 PM
Can any anyone here tell me they actually enjoy watchin Tyrone play nowadays? Has anyone noticed how much our attendances have fallen? Did u see how we were outnumbered 4/1 by Donegal supporters in last yrs ulster final? Ask urself, why?

Tyrone aren't the only ones playing a style of football that is less than pleasing on the eye but that's the way football is at the minute. Having said that, Tyrone seemed to be developing a fast breaking, attacking from deep style which I thought was decent to watch at the early stages of last years championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 20, 2017, 07:11:38 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 20, 2017, 05:53:14 PM

On a separate note, I notice Cathal McShane won MotM for the ranch on Wednesday evening. He was named at FF.  I wonder did he play there for most of the game and would he be an option up front for us? Perhaps with Bradley playing off him?

I don't know, he's young and has plenty to improve on yet. He has all the attributes to be fantastic player, big, strong, fit, mobile and can kick off either foot but his decision making is extremely erratic and when at inter county level, when ball would be lobbed in on him at the edge of the square with three of four guys converging on him in a congested space I think it will only exasperate that.

He's a talented player but very raw right now. Certainly might be worth a try as we need to unearth a target man type player in the full forward line, Cavanagh performs much better out the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 20, 2017, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 04:45:30 PM
Can any anyone here tell me they actually enjoy watchin Tyrone play nowadays? Has anyone noticed how much our attendances have fallen? Did u see how we were outnumbered 4/1 by Donegal supporters in last yrs ulster final? Ask urself, why?

Tyrone aren't the only ones playing a style of football that is less than pleasing on the eye but that's the way football is at the minute. Having said that, Tyrone seemed to be developing a fast breaking, attacking from deep style which I thought was decent to watch at the early stages of last years championship.
of course its great to watch against cannon fodder div 2 teams. but its virtually uselsess againsts the top div 1 sides.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 20, 2017, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 20, 2017, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 04:45:30 PM
Can any anyone here tell me they actually enjoy watchin Tyrone play nowadays? Has anyone noticed how much our attendances have fallen? Did u see how we were outnumbered 4/1 by Donegal supporters in last yrs ulster final? Ask urself, why?

Tyrone aren't the only ones playing a style of football that is less than pleasing on the eye but that's the way football is at the minute. Having said that, Tyrone seemed to be developing a fast breaking, attacking from deep style which I thought was decent to watch at the early stages of last years championship.
of course its great to watch against cannon fodder div 2 teams. but its virtually uselsess againsts the top div 1 sides.

Virtually useless?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 20, 2017, 10:59:26 PM
Comórtas: Corn an Dr Mhic Cionnaith
Cluiche: Fear Manach v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: Cluain Eois
Dáta: 22 Eanáir 2017

1 - Mickey O'Neill - Cluain Eo
2 - Aidan McCrory - Aireagal Chiaráin
3 - Ronan McNamee - Achadh Uí Aráin
4 - Cathal McCarron - An Droim Mór
5 - Ronan McNabb - An Droim Mhór
6 - Tiernan McCann - Coill an Chlochair
7 - Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin
8 - Colm Cavanagh - An Mhaigh
9 - Padraig McNulty - Dún Geanainn
10 - Declan McClure - Cluain Eo
11 - Niall Sludden - An Droim Mhór
12 - Niall McKenna - Domhnach Mór
13 - Darren McCurry - Éadan na dTorc
14 - Cathal McShane - E. R. Uí Néill
15 - Lee Brennan - Trí Leac

16 - Niall Morgan - Éadan na dTorc
17 - Mark Bradley - Coill an Chlochair
18 - Sean Cavanagh - An Mhaigh
19 - Matthew Donnelly - Trí Leac
20 - Pádraig Hampsey - Oileán a'Ghuail
21 - Cahir McCullagh - An Caisleán Glas
22 - Ronan McHugh - Achadh Uí Aráin
23 - Justin McMahon - An Omaigh
24 - Conor Meyler - An Omaigh
25 - Jonathan Monroe - An Charraig Mhór
26 - Ronan O'Neill - An Omaigh

Mickey must've been listening, Cathal in at FF. Lots of options off the bench too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 11:06:56 PM
yes bomber scoring 12 or 13 points in croke park is virtually useless against the top teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 20, 2017, 11:13:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 11:06:56 PM
yes bomber scoring 12 or 13 points in croke park is virtually useless against the top teams.

Letting in 2-17 or 2-18 is also useless against the top team at Croke Park.

Last year we beat Donegal by a point and lost to Mayo by a point. You're talking about fine margins here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
dublin conceded 2-14 against kerry last yr and still won by 2 points. and at least the kerry supporters could leave croke park with their heads held high. and only for a couple of wonder scores from harte and cavanagh we were beat by donegal too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on January 21, 2017, 08:03:47 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
dublin conceded 2-14 against kerry last yr and still won by 2 points. and at least the kerry supporters could leave croke park with their heads held high. and only for a couple of wonder scores from harte and cavanagh we were beat by donegal too.

Dublin soon fixed that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 21, 2017, 09:16:44 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
dublin conceded 2-14 against kerry last yr and still won by 2 points. and at least the kerry supporters could leave croke park with their heads held high. and only for a couple of wonder scores from harte and cavanagh we were beat by donegal too.

Dublin have a better forward line than us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 21, 2017, 11:00:34 AM
The concession of 2-14 was completely skewed by the crazy 10 mins leading up to half time when Cluxton lost the plot. That left Dublin chasing big time and allowed Kerry more space to keep pace with them in the second half. Cut out those two freak goals and that game would have been radically different.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2017, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 20, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
dublin conceded 2-14 against kerry last yr and still won by 2 points. and at least the kerry supporters could leave croke park with their heads held high. and only for a couple of wonder scores from harte and cavanagh we were beat by donegal too.

Dublin won an All Ireland semi-final by scoring 8 points against Donegal in 2011.

What's wrong with relying on a couple of wonder scores to beat Donegal, particularly when we had to do with one of our best players for the majority of the game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 21, 2017, 12:57:17 PM
I wish southtyronegael and a few others who think that tyrone could be better than what they are currently would just stop posting here. The constant and immediate pro Mickey responses from the same group of posters is as tedious as the wind up merchant detractors. This thread is brutal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 21, 2017, 02:12:10 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 21, 2017, 12:57:17 PM
I wish southtyronegael and a few others who think that tyrone could be better than what they are currently would just stop posting here. The constant and immediate pro Mickey responses from the same group of posters is as tedious as the wind up merchant detractors. This thread is brutal

+1
Worst /most overplayed debate ever. Give it a feckin rest yis bitchin women.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 21, 2017, 05:31:22 PM
I see photo of Mickey in Irish News again today - is that every day this week?  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2017, 10:10:05 PM
Any word on Richie Donnelly and Conall McCann?

Neither seemed to have been involved in any football yet this year? Are they injured and how long are they expected to be out for. McCann seemed to have a very good year at club and this could be the year for him to kick on with Tyrone, he could be worth a try at 11 this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 21, 2017, 11:53:34 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2017, 10:10:05 PM
Any word on Richie Donnelly and Conall McCann?

Neither seemed to have been involved in any football yet this year? Are they injured and how long are they expected to be out for. McCann seemed to have a very good year at club and this could be the year for him to kick on with Tyrone, he could be worth a try at 11 this year.
ur startin to talk sense bomber.lol  have to say both these players have been excellent for club in the last 2yrs and ive seen quite a bit of both. conall at no. 11 as u say and richie in midfield for tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 22, 2017, 12:26:33 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 21, 2017, 12:57:17 PM
I wish southtyronegael and a few others who think that tyrone could be better than what they are currently would just stop posting here. The constant and immediate pro Mickey responses from the same group of posters is as tedious as the wind up merchant detractors. This thread is brutal
go to another thread then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 22, 2017, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 21, 2017, 11:53:34 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2017, 10:10:05 PM
Any word on Richie Donnelly and Conall McCann?

Neither seemed to have been involved in any football yet this year? Are they injured and how long are they expected to be out for. McCann seemed to have a very good year at club and this could be the year for him to kick on with Tyrone, he could be worth a try at 11 this year.
ur startin to talk sense bomber.lol  have to say both these players have been excellent for club in the last 2yrs and ive seen quite a bit of both. conall at no. 11 as u say and richie in midfield for tyrone.

Go on Southtyronegael give us your ideal line up and tactics there to we see if you're maybe the man to take us forward? I have faith in you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 22, 2017, 10:37:22 AM
So big Joe is going to give it a lash again this year, fair play him.

http://ulsterherald.com/2017/01/22/tyrone-star-hoping-end-injury-nightmare/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on January 23, 2017, 04:13:01 AM
People are missing the point on Tyrone altogether. Mickey Harte should go his coaching has been sadly found out this last few years. Added to that he has just been here to long.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
Any of ye at the game yesterday?
What was the free taking like? Was Petey hitting all the ones on the left side?

Sounds like McCurry was lively as I read he scored 3 points in 4 mins. Will he be a starter in the league or will replace McAliskey. Any word on Richie Donnelly as asked above?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 23, 2017, 10:03:07 AM
Richie injured, heard it will be march before he is back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 23, 2017, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: God14 on January 23, 2017, 10:03:07 AM
Richie injured, heard it will be march before he is back.

McCurry was sharp looking yesterday, and its good to see as it seems he is a very confident based person so i hope 2 man of the matches performances will do him good

Richie will find it very hard to get into the team if he is injured as he seems a decent player but is not an established player yet for the county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
Yeah sounds like he's gonna miss most of the league then which is disappointing as I really wanted him to push through into the starting 15 like Sludden did last year.
Will Meyler making the starting 15 for the league?
If you were to pick YOUR starting 15 (not what you think Mickey might pick) who would you go for based on performances so far in 2017?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on January 23, 2017, 11:29:03 AM
I've been to all the games so far & have been impressed with the new members of the panel.  Niall Sludden & Johnny Munroe have stepped it up well but I would say that McCarron is the one who will require the most work to retain his place particularly his turn of speed, I suppose its early days yet & cant imagine Harte not starting him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
McCarron looked like he enjoyed Christmas a little to much but id like to think he will soon be back best soon enough.  He was 2nd to every ball which isn't like Cathal.  He was promoting his book up and down the country as well.  Like him or loath him he probably still is our best defender.

Who of the new lads has impressed most?  McHugh for me, I cant see Niall McKenna making the cut Mickey has to cut maybe 6 players.  Any word on Harry Loughran?  He hasn't got any game time since his call up, is he injured? Will Mickey cut him without seeing him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 23, 2017, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 21, 2017, 10:10:05 PM
Any word on Richie Donnelly and Conall McCann?

Neither seemed to have been involved in any football yet this year? Are they injured and how long are they expected to be out for. McCann seemed to have a very good year at club and this could be the year for him to kick on with Tyrone, he could be worth a try at 11 this year.

Hi all,

Just joined the board, first post!

Conal McCann had been carrying an injury for sometime, even as far back as the first game v Coalisland in the County Final - I think he's still undergoing rehab for this - shoulder injury.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 23, 2017, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
McCarron looked like he enjoyed Christmas a little to much but id like to think he will soon be back best soon enough.  He was 2nd to every ball which isn't like Cathal.  He was promoting his book up and down the country as well.  Like him or loath him he probably still is our best defender.

Who of the new lads has impressed most?  McHugh for me, I cant see Niall McKenna making the cut Mickey has to cut maybe 6 players.  Any word on Harry Loughran?  He hasn't got any game time since his call up, is he injured? Will Mickey cut him without seeing him?

I am not really impressed with McHugh to be honest. Hasn't done anything for me to think wow! Maybe im being a bit hard but that's all i think. McCurry is playing well although its January i hope he keeps it up. Was at all the game myself, Thought McCarron was bit slow to get going against Donegal last week but had great second half. Tyrone don't seem to playing as defensive as last year so lots of space in front of the defense. He was marking Fermanagh's so called Talisman yesterday "Corrigan" and i didn't see him give him any bother. Don't think he scored from play or even had a shot. Good to see McNamee back also, game will bring him on.

Pretty optimistic about the new year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 23, 2017, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 23, 2017, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
McCarron looked like he enjoyed Christmas a little to much but id like to think he will soon be back best soon enough.  He was 2nd to every ball which isn't like Cathal.  He was promoting his book up and down the country as well.  Like him or loath him he probably still is our best defender.

Who of the new lads has impressed most?  McHugh for me, I cant see Niall McKenna making the cut Mickey has to cut maybe 6 players.  Any word on Harry Loughran?  He hasn't got any game time since his call up, is he injured? Will Mickey cut him without seeing him?

I am not really impressed with McHugh to be honest. Hasn't done anything for me to think wow! Maybe im being a bit hard but that's all i think. McCurry is playing well although its January i hope he keeps it up. Was at all the game myself, Thought McCarron was bit slow to get going against Donegal last week but had great second half. Tyrone don't seem to playing as defensive as last year so lots of space in front of the defense. He was marking Fermanagh's so called Talisman yesterday "Corrigan" and i didn't see him give him any bother. Don't think he scored from play or even had a shot. Good to see McNamee back also, game will bring him on.

Pretty optimistic about the new year
Aye cathal I thought you did ok
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 23, 2017, 02:02:36 PM
Sean Mcmahon from Omagh is my name. I don't hide behind fake names like you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 23, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
Yeah sounds like he's gonna miss most of the league then which is disappointing as I really wanted him to push through into the starting 15 like Sludden did last year.
Will Meyler making the starting 15 for the league?
If you were to pick YOUR starting 15 (not what you think Mickey might pick) who would you go for based on performances so far in 2017?

I'd go with something like this:
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
McNabb
Munroe
Donnelly
C Cavanagh
Sludden
Harte
Burns (hasn't had much of a go yet)
McCurry
McShane
Bradley

I'd like to see Mattie get a go at full forward and McShane midfield but unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 23, 2017, 02:06:43 PM
Will Barton be behaving on Saturday night? Or is he still hot headed ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 23, 2017, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 23, 2017, 02:02:36 PM
Sean Mcmahon from Omagh is my name. I don't hide behind fake names like you

Sure you are  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 23, 2017, 02:14:16 PM
What's your name and where are you from ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on January 23, 2017, 03:15:14 PM
Tut tut

3. Revealing a posters personal identity.
   An inherent part of most discussion boards is that members may choose to adopt an alias, if they wish, as their board username. This choice of anonymity must be
  respected and any move to identify the real life identity of a poster on this board, where they have not done so themselves, is a breach of board rules.


Don't be so defensive Sean , take it with a pitch of salt, INHiding is a good poster
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 23, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 23, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
Yeah sounds like he's gonna miss most of the league then which is disappointing as I really wanted him to push through into the starting 15 like Sludden did last year.
Will Meyler making the starting 15 for the league?
If you were to pick YOUR starting 15 (not what you think Mickey might pick) who would you go for based on performances so far in 2017?

I'd go with something like this:
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
McNabb
Munroe
Donnelly
C Cavanagh
Sludden
Harte
Burns (hasn't had much of a go yet)
McCurry
McShane
Bradley

I'd like to see Mattie get a go at full forward and McShane midfield but unlikely to happen.

I'm sure the Pomeroy boys would love him playing the night before an all Ireland semi!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 23, 2017, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: leenie on January 23, 2017, 03:15:14 PM
Tut tut

3. Revealing a posters personal identity.
   An inherent part of most discussion boards is that members may choose to adopt an alias, if they wish, as their board username. This choice of anonymity must be
  respected and any move to identify the real life identity of a poster on this board, where they have not done so themselves, is a breach of board rules.


Don't be so defensive Sean , take it with a pitch of salt, INHiding is a good poster

I know yes, I was only saying I'm not afraid to tell you who i am. If people want to choose their anonymity thats up to them. Anyhow the football is the main talking point on this, not me or InHiding
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Maor Uisce on January 23, 2017, 03:53:45 PM
First time poster but a long time reader of the Tryone threads. How do you see the final playing out? Are Derry really a spent force? A glance at their panel would suggest they are quite young, could possibly cause a shock later in the year?

Tyrone are going well. Very early days. Are any of the new men going to push us over the line as far as AI is concerned? I feel back to back ulster titles would be an unbelievable achievement by any county squad given the parochial nature of our championship. Will this be viewed as a success? I agree with posters on here that the level of expectation is ridiculous.

I have heard that Dublin and obviously Donegal are fielding teams for these pre season competitions that will bare NO resemblance to the teams they play in the league. The "first" teams are hidden away getting prepped for the league, aiming to peak for the latter stages in the summer. Interesting tactic and obviously easy for a County with Dublin's resources. Would it be something Tyrone could adopt? Some of these players (Killyclogher) have been on the go almost 20-24 months. Will this inevitably lead to injury? Although I would say the players themselves are mad to get at it.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 23, 2017, 04:01:49 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 23, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 23, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
Yeah sounds like he's gonna miss most of the league then which is disappointing as I really wanted him to push through into the starting 15 like Sludden did last year.
Will Meyler making the starting 15 for the league?
If you were to pick YOUR starting 15 (not what you think Mickey might pick) who would you go for based on performances so far in 2017?

I'd go with something like this:
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
McNabb
Munroe
Donnelly
C Cavanagh
Sludden
Harte
Burns (hasn't had much of a go yet)
McCurry
McShane
Bradley

I'd like to see Mattie get a go at full forward and McShane midfield but unlikely to happen.

I'm sure the Pomeroy boys would love him playing the night before an all Ireland semi!

I was talking a team for the start of the league. I'm sure he'll continue to experiment on Saturday night. In recent years one or two boys have got a last chance in the final then been dropped of the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 04:45:01 PM
Not a bad team RHS but are you thinking Sean won't be ready to start the first league game?
Who else have you left out from last year? Justy, Rory Brennan, McCrory, Ronan O'Neill, Meyler,
Is Rory Brennan out injured? How long is he out for?
A lot of ye are speaking highly of Munroe. Do you think he's moved ahead of McGeary?

I'd like to see Hampsey get his chance as well but Mickey is very loyal to McCrory and values his speed.
I'll really like to see Lee Brennan get a few run outs before the U21 championship starts on 15th March, although who knows with the first game v Donegal it might not last that long this year.  >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 23, 2017, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 04:45:01 PM
Not a bad team RHS but are you thinking Sean won't be ready to start the first league game?
Who else have you left out from last year? Justy, Rory Brennan, McCrory, Ronan O'Neill, Meyler,
Is Rory Brennan out injured? How long is he out for?
A lot of ye are speaking highly of Munroe. Do you think he's moved ahead of McGeary?

I'd like to see Hampsey get his chance as well but Mickey is very loyal to McCrory and values his speed.
I'll really like to see Lee Brennan get a few run outs before the U21 championship starts on 15th March, although who knows with the first game v Donegal it might not last that long this year.  >:(

Sean has only played less than 10 minutes so far and looked rusty. Could be used as a sub early in the league anyway. Rory Brennan is out for another 2 or 3 weeks anyway. Munroe has done well in the games he played. Gets stuck in and has probably earned a shot.

I'd be surprised if Lee Brennan was a regular starter this year. Good finisher but still young and a bit light at this level at the minute. From memory he scored a load from play against UUJ but has struggled to get on the score board against the county teams. Still has plenty of potential for the future though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 23, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
I have only been to the Donegal game so far but from listening to McGinn etc on Teamtalk young McClure appears to be going pretty well. They've been impressed by what they've seen from him so far. Am I right in thinking he's had the most game time out of all the new faces?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 24, 2017, 11:42:05 AM
I don't really understand this about young Brennan. So many of the fans rate him so highly and maybe our best player since Canavan is what I have heard yet why are we so slow to put him in the team. Peter Harte started playing when he was 19. I think McBrearty played both for the minors and seniors on the same day as far as I can remember.

Mickey gave him a few games last year and he did OK and it looks like he's done well in the McKenna cup so I'd be happy to see him get a few games now in the league before U21 duty. Having him and Bradley would be two very exciting fast young corner forwards or is it only a game now for the big men?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 24, 2017, 12:51:25 PM
Lee might be small but he is hard as nails. I said last year I would throw him in there as the others had a chance and would bottle it again. Which all 3 did against mayo. Harte knows best and its difficult with u-21 distraction but I would be giving him and Bradley a good run in there of big cav.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 24, 2017, 12:53:02 PM
I think that's exactly it, there's not really any Tyrone forwards built for a physical game...Which will go without saying against the top teams. Obviously Sean Cavanagh will be able to hold his own and to be fair Darren McCurry has added on serious muscle mass in past few years but the rest are very much the same kind of build and stature.

Throw Lee Brennan in, it'll be a great test for the lad and who knows, Tyrone might just unearth a gem.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 24, 2017, 04:01:08 PM
Aye throw Lee Brennan in and then if he is ineffective because of the way Tyrone play, we can say he is a bottler and all rave about the next talented forward to come through the youth teams. Some of you should read some of the stuff you write.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 24, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Obviously hitting long high balls into Mark Bradley and Brennan/Ronan O'Neill would be a waste of time but as we no longer do that anyway as most teams play with sweepers in front of the full forward line so most forwards now tend to get the ball through fist passes, often off the shoulder or a burst into space for a fist over the top.
In these cases nippy fast forwards like Brennan and Bradley could be ideal as they can see the space and are quick and accurate when getting a shot off. I think McShane would struggle if played in at FF as he doesn't have that quick turn of pace as is better coming from deeper out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 24, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 24, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Obviously hitting long high balls into Mark Bradley and Brennan/Ronan O'Neill would be a waste of time but as we no longer do that anyway as most teams play with sweepers in front of the full forward line so most forwards now tend to get the ball through fist passes, often off the shoulder or a burst into space for a fist over the top.
In these cases nippy fast forwards like Brennan and Bradley could be ideal as they can see the space and are quick and accurate when getting a shot off. I think McShane would struggle if played in at FF as he doesn't have that quick turn of pace as is better coming from deeper out.
A nippy fast forward  ? Someone like darren mc curry you mean.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2017, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 23, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
Yeah sounds like he's gonna miss most of the league then which is disappointing as I really wanted him to push through into the starting 15 like Sludden did last year.
Will Meyler making the starting 15 for the league?
If you were to pick YOUR starting 15 (not what you think Mickey might pick) who would you go for based on performances so far in 2017?

I'd go with something like this:
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
McNabb
Munroe
Donnelly
C Cavanagh
Sludden
Harte
Burns (hasn't had much of a go yet)
McCurry
McShane
Bradley

I'd like to see Mattie get a go at full forward and McShane midfield but unlikely to happen.

No Sean?

I think that's a fairly solid team, we have some good competition in a lot of positions, half back line and half forward lines being the two most contested areas.

I would say you can expect the following to be  definite starters come May if fit:

Morgan
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Mattie Donnelly
Cavanaghs x2
Sludden
Harte

We had a fairly settled 15 last season so the players under pressure for me to retain their places would be McCrory, Justy, McNabb, McShane and O'Neill. McAliskey is obviously gone for the year.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 24, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 24, 2017, 12:53:02 PM
I think that's exactly it, there's not really any Tyrone forwards built for a physical game...Which will go without saying against the top teams. Obviously Sean Cavanagh will be able to hold his own and to be fair Darren McCurry has added on serious muscle mass in past few years but the rest are very much the same kind of build and stature.

Throw Lee Brennan in, it'll be a great test for the lad and who knows, Tyrone might just unearth a gem.

If you say so Darren
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 24, 2017, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Club boi on January 24, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 24, 2017, 12:53:02 PM
I think that's exactly it, there's not really any Tyrone forwards built for a physical game...Which will go without saying against the top teams. Obviously Sean Cavanagh will be able to hold his own and to be fair Darren McCurry has added on serious muscle mass in past few years but the rest are very much the same kind of build and stature.

Throw Lee Brennan in, it'll be a great test for the lad and who knows, Tyrone might just unearth a gem.

If you say so Darren
;D ;D
Hey everybody has to fight their corner
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2017, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2017, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 23, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 23, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
Yeah sounds like he's gonna miss most of the league then which is disappointing as I really wanted him to push through into the starting 15 like Sludden did last year.
Will Meyler making the starting 15 for the league?
If you were to pick YOUR starting 15 (not what you think Mickey might pick) who would you go for based on performances so far in 2017?

I'd go with something like this:
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
McNabb
Munroe
Donnelly
C Cavanagh
Sludden
Harte
Burns (hasn't had much of a go yet)
McCurry
McShane
Bradley

I'd like to see Mattie get a go at full forward and McShane midfield but unlikely to happen.

No Sean?

I think that's a fairly solid team, we have some good competition in a lot of positions, half back line and half forward lines being the two most contested areas.

I would say you can expect the following to be  definite starters come May if fit:

Morgan
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Mattie Donnelly
Cavanaghs x2
Sludden
Harte

We had a fairly settled 15 last season so the players under pressure for me to retain their places would be McCrory, Justy, McNabb, McShane and O'Neill. McAliskey is obviously gone for the year.

That was only my team for start of league and not sure Sean will be ready. Burns would be a chance as hasn't had much time yet at county senior level. Mccurry seems to have put in a big pre season. He's at an age were he could still kick on.

If we're serious about winning big prizes I think we'll need him bradley and mcshane to really step up. The three of them have potential to be regular scorers, though in mcshanes case I think he could be better suited to round the middle. If he pushed on there could allow Mattie to operate further up the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 24, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 24, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Obviously hitting long high balls into Mark Bradley and Brennan/Ronan O'Neill would be a waste of time but as we no longer do that anyway as most teams play with sweepers in front of the full forward line so most forwards now tend to get the ball through fist passes, often off the shoulder or a burst into space for a fist over the top.
In these cases nippy fast forwards like Brennan and Bradley could be ideal as they can see the space and are quick and accurate when getting a shot off. I think McShane would struggle if played in at FF as he doesn't have that quick turn of pace as is better coming from deeper out.
A nippy fast forward  ? Someone like darren mc curry you mean.

He has had plenty of chances and you can't blame the "system" for missed frees under pressure and wasted shots like at the end of the mayo game last year. The other 2 deserve their shot now.

You talk more dung than anyone on this. Typical yap. Keep bringing problems with no answers, the most useless type of people
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 24, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
A nippy fast forward  ? Someone like darren mc curry you mean.

He has had plenty of chances and you can't blame the "system" for missed frees under pressure and wasted shots like at the end of the mayo game last year. The other 2 deserve their shot now.

You talk more dung than anyone on this. Typical yap. Keep bringing problems with no answers, the most useless type of people

Aye i suppose your right. Thanks for the advice.
Good point though about Mc Curry. Anyone who makes a poor decision on shot selection o who misses frees under pressure should be forgotten about. Good job Mickey kept Peter Harte on the panel after his free kick meltdown against Donegal in Clones in 2011
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 25, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
If we are to win things McCurry really isn't the answer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 25, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
If we are to win things McCurry really isn't the answer.
You are probably correct. Its the way we hpye up Mc Curry, O Neill, Mc Aliskey and the likes, then make them play in a system which gives them very little support and thus obviously affects their confidence, and then quickly dismiss them as bottlers is my gripe. Those three players were brilliant at minor and u21 level, as were/are Bradley and Brennan. The people on here who are raving about Mark Bradley and Lee Brennan are the same people who will be criticising them for not being good enough in 12 months. A little bit of balance would help here
Just before anyone jumps in and says Colm Mc Fadden was able to play that role. There are no forwards in Tyrone at the minute like Colm Mc Fadden
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 25, 2017, 10:41:35 AM
I agree In hiding. We are far to fast to right players off just because we're frustrated at our style of play and when players like Ronan O'Neill do manage to get the ball in their hands that they are totally surrounded with little support.
I have watched it here in Dublin as well with Bernard Brogan who used to be unmarkable at one stage to now being a bit part player who has learned that he has to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it because if he tries to beat a man and turn inside he'll be confronted with 2 or 3 other defenders.
Therefore we need our forwards to think and act fast and be accurate under pressure. I fear Ronan isn't the best at this as he's certainly skillful enough but I think he often is too slow to get his shot or pass away if under pressure but maybe he'll prove me wrong. McCurry showed from his great score against Donegal last year that he is good at that coming onto a pass and turning and shooting quickly. I'd much rather see players being brave and shooting rather than what we saw with Roscommon and Galway last year in the drawn game where both teams were scared to miss.

Ronan O'Neill's goal v Derry last year show's what he's capable of if he's marked one on one and given in a good early long ball but very few times are going to leave their full back that exposed any more.
I also think we might see big Sean used a lot more as a sub this year as he has definitely slowed down a bit and he would be a great man to come on and lift the team in the second half rather than him struggling against a mass defence and then tiring in the final 15 minutes. Imagine how he would have lifted us v Mayo if he was just coming on with 20 mins left.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 25, 2017, 10:47:35 AM
Dont think Sean has stayed on to be a sub,if he has not been on against Mayo until the last 20 Mayo would have been out of sight. Mickey is in Omagh tonight talking to Paddy Hunter.Why not head to that and i am sure he will answer all your selection queries.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 25, 2017, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 24, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
A nippy fast forward  ? Someone like darren mc curry you mean.

He has had plenty of chances and you can't blame the "system" for missed frees under pressure and wasted shots like at the end of the mayo game last year. The other 2 deserve their shot now.

You talk more dung than anyone on this. Typical yap. Keep bringing problems with no answers, the most useless type of people

Aye i suppose your right. Thanks for the advice.
Good point though about Mc Curry. Anyone who makes a poor decision on shot selection o who misses frees under pressure should be forgotten about. Good job Mickey kept Peter Harte on the panel after his free kick meltdown against Donegal in Clones in 2011

Sure do you not remember loads of people on this forum were saying Petey Harte was only on the team because Mickey was his uncle ffs?

The trend of this thread from a lot of posters is - why is player X not playing? Player X gets a run of games and then this board deems him not good enough and they move on to championing the next inside forward. McCurry in my opinion is every bit as good if not better than Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley so get off the lads back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 25, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2017, 10:41:35 AM
I agree In hiding. We are far to fast to right players off just because we're frustrated at our style of play and when players like Ronan O'Neill do manage to get the ball in their hands that they are totally surrounded with little support.
I have watched it here in Dublin as well with Bernard Brogan who used to be unmarkable at one stage to now being a bit part player who has learned that he has to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it because if he tries to beat a man and turn inside he'll be confronted with 2 or 3 other defenders.
Therefore we need our forwards to think and act fast and be accurate under pressure. I fear Ronan isn't the best at this as he's certainly skillful enough but I think he often is too slow to get his shot or pass away if under pressure but maybe he'll prove me wrong. McCurry showed from his great score against Donegal last year that he is good at that coming onto a pass and turning and shooting quickly. I'd much rather see players being brave and shooting rather than what we saw with Roscommon and Galway last year in the drawn game where both teams were scared to miss.

Ronan O'Neill's goal v Derry last year show's what he's capable of if he's marked one on one and given in a good early long ball but very few times are going to leave their full back that exposed any more.
I also think we might see big Sean used a lot more as a sub this year as he has definitely slowed down a bit and he would be a great man to come on and lift the team in the second half rather than him struggling against a mass defence and then tiring in the final 15 minutes. Imagine how he would have lifted us v Mayo if he was just coming on with 20 mins left.

This is the same Sean Cavanagh that won us the Ulster Final 6 months ago with two unbelievable points in the last 15 minutes after playing from the start? I would probably agree that he doesn't have the legs to play as an orthodox midfielder for 70 minutes anymore but I would definitely still have him starting at 14 as we are crying out for a physical presence in there to compliment our smaller corner forwards. I know that that isn't Sean's favored role but he simply has to play there (especially now Skeet is injured for the rest of the year) unless the likes of McShane shows that they are capable of doing it.

On the topic of the corner forwards, I think McCurry deserves a shot at being the main man this year. On his day he's the best we have - regardless of whether it was in the McKenna Cup or not, when was the last time O'Neill or Skeet went out and kicked 5 or 6 points from play? O'Neill started almost every league and Championship game in 2016 and was injury free all year, yet was still held scoreless in Cavan replay, Ulster Final and quarter final v Mayo. I can't see him being any better this year.

In my opinion it should be a toss-up between Bradley and Brennan for the other spot, however it will be a steep learning curve for these lads coming from Trillick and Killyclogher where the whole gameplan is based around getting the ball in to them quick and early. Realistically if one of these lads could guarantee us 2 points from play every day they went out it would be an improvement from lads year and would have to be viewed as a success.

Also, if we went with a FF line of McCurry, Sean Cav and Bradley/ Brennan, then Sean would be back on the right footed free kicks which is the way it should be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 25, 2017, 11:51:04 AM
Ha relax lads I was only messing. Of course Sean dragged us through the Ulster final last year and despite him being well marked v Mayo he is a very important player for us. I just think the way Mickey likes to play our system now that we very rarely kick the ball in there any more so Sean tends to come out the field a lot. I'd much rather we mixed it up a bit like we did in the league 2 years ago with Sean showing he's well able to win his high balls but he needs men feeding off him but I can't see it happening, especially in the more competitive games.

I'd imagine Bradley and McCurry are most likely to start at CF in the league with Brennan getting a run out here and there. Looking forward to the Dublin game and glad it's on so early in the year as the Dubs are still on holiday mood.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 25, 2017, 12:44:59 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 25, 2017, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 24, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
A nippy fast forward  ? Someone like darren mc curry you mean.

He has had plenty of chances and you can't blame the "system" for missed frees under pressure and wasted shots like at the end of the mayo game last year. The other 2 deserve their shot now.

You talk more dung than anyone on this. Typical yap. Keep bringing problems with no answers, the most useless type of people

Aye i suppose your right. Thanks for the advice.
Good point though about Mc Curry. Anyone who makes a poor decision on shot selection o who misses frees under pressure should be forgotten about. Good job Mickey kept Peter Harte on the panel after his free kick meltdown against Donegal in Clones in 2011

Sure do you not remember loads of people on this forum were saying Petey Harte was only on the team because Mickey was his uncle ffs?

The trend of this thread from a lot of posters is - why is player X not playing? Player X gets a run of games and then this board deems him not good enough and they move on to championing the next inside forward. McCurry in my opinion is every bit as good if not better than Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley so get off the lads back.

The good thing about this all, competition breeds success - so these lads all know they have to take it to the limit to get a game. Surely it's going to be good for Tyrone long term but I think targets are unrealistic currently. Tyrone should be good enough to retain Ulster - but I don't think they are at the level to win an AI just yet but they are developing a very deep squad for the first time in a number of years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 25, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
If we are to win things McCurry really isn't the answer.
You are probably correct. Its the way we hpye up Mc Curry, O Neill, Mc Aliskey and the likes, then make them play in a system which gives them very little support and thus obviously affects their confidence, and then quickly dismiss them as bottlers is my gripe. Those three players were brilliant at minor and u21 level, as were/are Bradley and Brennan. The people on here who are raving about Mark Bradley and Lee Brennan are the same people who will be criticising them for not being good enough in 12 months. A little bit of balance would help here
Just before anyone jumps in and says Colm Mc Fadden was able to play that role. There are no forwards in Tyrone at the minute like Colm Mc Fadden

McCurry hyped himself up sticking youtube videos online meaning every other team around wanted him to mess up when it came to it. He has buckled plenty of times over the last few years when it mattered I am not just referring to one shot. You have a gripe with mickey harte. Wise up you clown he is the best man for the job. Who else should replace him and whats your master system for getting an all Ireland?

McCurry is a good player but there are others there deserving of the chance to see if they can go to that elite level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 25, 2017, 02:17:38 PM
please let this year go quickly. get mc gleenan in and start puttin a bit of pride back in this county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 25, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
If we are to win things McCurry really isn't the answer.
You are probably correct. Its the way we hpye up Mc Curry, O Neill, Mc Aliskey and the likes, then make them play in a system which gives them very little support and thus obviously affects their confidence, and then quickly dismiss them as bottlers is my gripe. Those three players were brilliant at minor and u21 level, as were/are Bradley and Brennan. The people on here who are raving about Mark Bradley and Lee Brennan are the same people who will be criticising them for not being good enough in 12 months. A little bit of balance would help here
Just before anyone jumps in and says Colm Mc Fadden was able to play that role. There are no forwards in Tyrone at the minute like Colm Mc Fadden

McCurry hyped himself up sticking youtube videos online meaning every other team around wanted him to mess up when it came to it. He has buckled plenty of times over the last few years when it mattered I am not just referring to one shot. You have a gripe with mickey harte. Wise up you clown he is the best man for the job. Who else should replace him and whats your master system for getting an all Ireland?

McCurry is a good player but there are others there deserving of the chance to see if they can go to that elite level.
I don't have a gripe about mickey harte, I have a gripe about clowns like you who can't think for themselves
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 25, 2017, 02:22:11 PM
Alternative facts not just the preserve of Donald Trump it would seem:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/statistics-show-black-card-has-improved-gaelic-football-1.2949705
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 25, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
If we are to win things McCurry really isn't the answer.
You are probably correct. Its the way we hpye up Mc Curry, O Neill, Mc Aliskey and the likes, then make them play in a system which gives them very little support and thus obviously affects their confidence, and then quickly dismiss them as bottlers is my gripe. Those three players were brilliant at minor and u21 level, as were/are Bradley and Brennan. The people on here who are raving about Mark Bradley and Lee Brennan are the same people who will be criticising them for not being good enough in 12 months. A little bit of balance would help here
Just before anyone jumps in and says Colm Mc Fadden was able to play that role. There are no forwards in Tyrone at the minute like Colm Mc Fadden

McCurry hyped himself up sticking youtube videos online meaning every other team around wanted him to mess up when it came to it. He has buckled plenty of times over the last few years when it mattered I am not just referring to one shot. You have a gripe with mickey harte. Wise up you clown he is the best man for the job. Who else should replace him and whats your master system for getting an all Ireland?

McCurry is a good player but there are others there deserving of the chance to see if they can go to that elite level.
I don't have a gripe about mickey harte, I have a gripe about clowns like you who can't think for themselves

Completely defer from the point, very good! You yap and yap about the "system" being the problem. Whats your solution? To yap a bit more
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 25, 2017, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 25, 2017, 04:27:32 PM
Matty Mc Gleenan is the Cavan manager.For anyone to suggest he is going to replace the current manager is in cloud cuckoo land. He has had success with Scotstown who by a large distance are the best club team in Monaghan.If he guides Cavan to an Ulster title then he could be regarded as a contender in the future but not at the moment.
scotstown hadnt won a county title for over 20 yrs before mc gleenan came along. if he is offered the tyrone job at the end of this season im sure he will grab it. his positivity will the lift the cloud which is hanging over tyrone football at the minute. we need to head hunt him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 05:08:37 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2017, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 25, 2017, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 25, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
If we are to win things McCurry really isn't the answer.
You are probably correct. Its the way we hpye up Mc Curry, O Neill, Mc Aliskey and the likes, then make them play in a system which gives them very little support and thus obviously affects their confidence, and then quickly dismiss them as bottlers is my gripe. Those three players were brilliant at minor and u21 level, as were/are Bradley and Brennan. The people on here who are raving about Mark Bradley and Lee Brennan are the same people who will be criticising them for not being good enough in 12 months. A little bit of balance would help here
Just before anyone jumps in and says Colm Mc Fadden was able to play that role. There are no forwards in Tyrone at the minute like Colm Mc Fadden

McCurry hyped himself up sticking youtube videos online meaning every other team around wanted him to mess up when it came to it. He has buckled plenty of times over the last few years when it mattered I am not just referring to one shot. You have a gripe with mickey harte. Wise up you clown he is the best man for the job. Who else should replace him and whats your master system for getting an all Ireland?

McCurry is a good player but there are others there deserving of the chance to see if they can go to that elite level.
I don't have a gripe about mickey harte, I have a gripe about clowns like you who can't think for themselves

Completely defer from the point, very good! You yap and yap about the "system" being the problem. Whats your solution? To yap a bit more
People like your good self are so caught up in defending the current management that you don't even bother to try and read posts which may have a different opinion. I did not say that the system was very wrong for the team as a whole but it is wtong if you want effective full forwards.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 25, 2017, 06:17:07 PM
McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill, McAliskey and Bradley are all good players. If they were about 10 years ago or more they would have really prospered but in the modern game, forwards of their stature will struggle. All these guys are 5ft10 or under.

Contrast that with the likes of Dublin and the players they have for their inside forwards slots:

Brogan 6ft
Andrews 5ft11
Mannion 6ft2
Costello 6ft
Connolly 6ft2
O'Gara 6ft1
McManamon 5ft11

You can talk about being more direct and ensuring the forwards get more time and space on the ball but that's not going to be effective when your forwards are only really comfortable winning it one way. Sweepers will cut out low ball so you're reliant on going over them and our lads are not going to win much in the air, unfortunately we don't seem to have a natural option here to use as a target man.

Cavanagh has more influence further out, Harte doesn't fancy McKenna for it and the other lads put forward for the job aren't natural forwards. Outside of the squad, who is an option? McNulty? Maybe but he's not there. Coney? Had plenty of chances just doesn't have the right mentality to succeed at county level.

I think McCurry and Bradley should start the league for us inside. They seem to be the two form men at present. People tend to forget McCurry is still only 23. I wouldn't write him off, we have good depth with those lads, the problem is that they are all too much like for like players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 25, 2017, 09:37:44 PM
where is conan grugan? big tall fella and full of football. could do a job in full forward too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on January 25, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 25, 2017, 09:37:44 PM
where is conan grugan? big tall fella and full of football. could do a job in full forward too.

Had his chance and didn't show enough to suggest he could make it at inter county level. Like it or not, there are no other options out there other than the men that are currently on the senior panel!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on January 25, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Dan Mc Nulty is an option not explored. 6ft 2" with power. One poster talked about how Hampsey marked him out of it when Coalisland played in the championship semi final. They broke even in the first game Mc Nulty played the replay sick and Hampsey definitely got the better of him. They neglected to mention he absolutely destroyed Justin Mc Mahon in both games , a player who major big game experience and has successfully marked Micheal Murphy in senior championship, he also easily got the better of  Carrickmore full back. He offers us a ball winning physical presence who is a proven free taker under immense pressure. Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on January 26, 2017, 08:55:29 AM
Had Justin McMahon been fully fit for the Clonoe games I don't think Dan would have done much damage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on January 26, 2017, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 25, 2017, 06:17:07 PM
McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill, McAliskey and Bradley are all good players. If they were about 10 years ago or more they would have really prospered but in the modern game, forwards of their stature will struggle. All these guys are 5ft10 or under.

Contrast that with the likes of Dublin and the players they have for their inside forwards slots:

Brogan 6ft
Andrews 5ft11
Mannion 6ft2
Costello 6ft
Connolly 6ft2
O'Gara 6ft1
McManamon 5ft11

You can talk about being more direct and ensuring the forwards get more time and space on the ball but that's not going to be effective when your forwards are only really comfortable winning it one way. Sweepers will cut out low ball so you're reliant on going over them and our lads are not going to win much in the air, unfortunately we don't seem to have a natural option here to use as a target man.

Cavanagh has more influence further out, Harte doesn't fancy McKenna for it and the other lads put forward for the job aren't natural forwards. Outside of the squad, who is an option? McNulty? Maybe but he's not there. Coney? Had plenty of chances just doesn't have the right mentality to succeed at county level.

I think McCurry and Bradley should start the league for us inside. They seem to be the two form men at present. People tend to forget McCurry is still only 23. I wouldn't write him off, we have good depth with those lads, the problem is that they are all too much like for like players.

Hard to forget McCurry is only 23, been about for so long so still time to step up and make a big impression in hi County career!!
Brennan also very young but imo its going to take a lot of time for him to step up, what he needs is a year or 2 without County footballs and just concentrate on hard graft club football everyweek! Didnt Matty Donnelly do the same and look how much he came on! Niall Sludden another prime example of a man who concentrated on club football and when the time was right he walked straight into the senior team because he was ready for it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 26, 2017, 10:38:38 AM
Were any of yis at the Mickey Harte event in Omagh talking to Paddy Hunter last night?
Any interesting points made or news.
Was the topic about free taking brought up and how much more important free taking now is with so much more scores coming from frees because of mass defence?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 25, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Dan Mc Nulty is an option not explored. 6ft 2" with power. One poster talked about how Hampsey marked him out of it when Coalisland played in the championship semi final. They broke even in the first game Mc Nulty played the replay sick and Hampsey definitely got the better of him. They neglected to mention he absolutely destroyed Justin Mc Mahon in both games , a player who major big game experience and has successfully marked Micheal Murphy in senior championship, he also easily got the better of  Carrickmore full back. He offers us a ball winning physical presence who is a proven free taker under immense pressure. Maybe next year.

Long questioned why McNulty hasn't at least been called into the panel - I know he suffered with a back problem for a long time but is there another target man like him playing in Tyrone currently? Its a strange one.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on January 26, 2017, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on January 26, 2017, 08:55:29 AM
Had Justin McMahon been fully fit for the Clonoe games I don't think Dan would have done much damage.
I would question if he got the better of the Carrickmore full back or not. He scored a goal at the end because Carrickmore's goalie and full back both thought the other was going to contest the ball. Our full back was Kieran McCartan who was playing his 2nd game in nearly two years because of injury. I don't think Dan destroyed Justy either but I could be incorrect in this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 26, 2017, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 25, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Dan Mc Nulty is an option not explored. 6ft 2" with power. One poster talked about how Hampsey marked him out of it when Coalisland played in the championship semi final. They broke even in the first game Mc Nulty played the replay sick and Hampsey definitely got the better of him. They neglected to mention he absolutely destroyed Justin Mc Mahon in both games , a player who major big game experience and has successfully marked Micheal Murphy in senior championship, he also easily got the better of  Carrickmore full back. He offers us a ball winning physical presence who is a proven free taker under immense pressure. Maybe next year.

Long questioned why McNulty hasn't at least been called into the panel - I know he suffered with a back problem for a long time but is there another target man like him playing in Tyrone currently? Its a strange one.

Maybe because he doesn't want to
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2017, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 25, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Dan Mc Nulty is an option not explored. 6ft 2" with power. One poster talked about how Hampsey marked him out of it when Coalisland played in the championship semi final. They broke even in the first game Mc Nulty played the replay sick and Hampsey definitely got the better of him. They neglected to mention he absolutely destroyed Justin Mc Mahon in both games , a player who major big game experience and has successfully marked Micheal Murphy in senior championship, he also easily got the better of  Carrickmore full back. He offers us a ball winning physical presence who is a proven free taker under immense pressure. Maybe next year.

Long questioned why McNulty hasn't at least been called into the panel - I know he suffered with a back problem for a long time but is there another target man like him playing in Tyrone currently? Its a strange one.

Maybe because he doesn't want to

Not my understanding. Although the brother had a bit of a fall out with Harte, so that likely won't have helped the cause.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on January 26, 2017, 03:50:39 PM
Anyone in the know .... know anything regarding youth fixtures?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 26, 2017, 04:08:59 PM
Has Tyrone minor squad been picked yet? What are their chances this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 26, 2017, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 26, 2017, 04:08:59 PM
Has Tyrone minor squad been picked yet? What are their chances this year?

Working with a panel of 41 players I believe so plenty of cuts to take place before they get to their final numbers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on January 26, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Clubs to be denied access to their best young players, according to leaked Tyrone training schedule

That is when club managers and coaches are invited along to Tyrone's state of the art centre of excellence to discuss the new training schedule in place for the Tyrone Academy members.

We reckon there are going to be a lot of queries. First and foremost is likely to be: "When will we have access to our best 16-18-year-olds?"

The existence of Under-17 and U-18 tournaments will exacerbate issues this year but an email sent to the clubs, and published here by SportsJOE, suggests they are getting the thin end of the wedge in the Red Hand county.

Without a provincial title in five years, Tyrone are clearly gunning for the minor grade this year as they let clubs know they will be requiring their U-17 and U-18 county players for three sessions each week – two on the field, Mondays and Thursdays, plus a weekend gym session.

If these development squads are also playing a game each week that will see them on county duty four days each week.

The whole email is below.

FAO Club managers and youth officers

We wish you all a happy new year. Tyrone Academy would like to convey to you and your club our best wishes for the season that lies ahead. No doubt some of your teams have already started to prepare diligently and we would like to ensure that Tyrone Academy teams work closely and in cooperation with your clubs. We wish to convey our sincere thanks and appreciation to all of you for the great support and encouragement that Tyrone Academy has received in recent years. Tyrone Academy is working hard with players and coaches from all clubs to improve playing standards for all players, so that players return to your clubs with a positive experience. 17s and 18 county teams both have fully fledged competitions. The demand on club players is therefore going to be more than normal and we wish to work with clubs to mitigate as far as possible the effects of running two squads for what is a one off occurrence due to the change in age rules for minors. Our county minor squad aim to have pitch sessions on Mondays  and Thursdays with a gym session on Saturday morning and to avoid disruption the under 17 squad will mirror this schedule. Currently the under 17 squad has players representing two or more teams and to avoid unnecessary pressure being applied on players, we want to work closely and in cooperation with clubs and schools to manage the training loads.

We wish to ensure that clubs, parents and players can communicate effectively with ourselves where there are concerns so that these can be dealt with before the concern becomes a bigger problem. We cannot function effectively without your goodwill, support and cooperation. We reinforce to players that your club is of paramount importance – a player begins with the club and ends with the club and that is one of the reasons we insist that players wear their club jersey to training. Players have full access to their training programmes which enables club managers / coaches to see what they are doing.
We are happy to provide answers to questions clubs may have and in order to facilitate this process, we are having an open training session whereby club managers can attend and the managers of both the under 17 and 18 teams will be in attendance to answer any queries you may have. The session will take place on Monday 6th Feb in Garvaghey and everyone is invited along to discuss any concerns you may have. In addition to that the players will have the contact details for both sets of management who will be happy to take your call and resolve any issues.
We look forward to working with you throughout the year and we would invite you to contact us at any time and thank you for your ongoing support.
Tyrone Academy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: keepherlit on January 26, 2017, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: leenie on January 26, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Clubs to be denied access to their best young players, according to leaked Tyrone training schedule

That is when club managers and coaches are invited along to Tyrone's state of the art centre of excellence to discuss the new training schedule in place for the Tyrone Academy members.

We reckon there are going to be a lot of queries. First and foremost is likely to be: "When will we have access to our best 16-18-year-olds?"

The existence of Under-17 and U-18 tournaments will exacerbate issues this year but an email sent to the clubs, and published here by SportsJOE, suggests they are getting the thin end of the wedge in the Red Hand county.

Without a provincial title in five years, Tyrone are clearly gunning for the minor grade this year as they let clubs know they will be requiring their U-17 and U-18 county players for three sessions each week – two on the field, Mondays and Thursdays, plus a weekend gym session.

If these development squads are also playing a game each week that will see them on county duty four days each week.

The whole email is below.

FAO Club managers and youth officers

We wish you all a happy new year. Tyrone Academy would like to convey to you and your club our best wishes for the season that lies ahead. No doubt some of your teams have already started to prepare diligently and we would like to ensure that Tyrone Academy teams work closely and in cooperation with your clubs. We wish to convey our sincere thanks and appreciation to all of you for the great support and encouragement that Tyrone Academy has received in recent years. Tyrone Academy is working hard with players and coaches from all clubs to improve playing standards for all players, so that players return to your clubs with a positive experience. 17s and 18 county teams both have fully fledged competitions. The demand on club players is therefore going to be more than normal and we wish to work with clubs to mitigate as far as possible the effects of running two squads for what is a one off occurrence due to the change in age rules for minors. Our county minor squad aim to have pitch sessions on Mondays  and Thursdays with a gym session on Saturday morning and to avoid disruption the under 17 squad will mirror this schedule. Currently the under 17 squad has players representing two or more teams and to avoid unnecessary pressure being applied on players, we want to work closely and in cooperation with clubs and schools to manage the training loads.

We wish to ensure that clubs, parents and players can communicate effectively with ourselves where there are concerns so that these can be dealt with before the concern becomes a bigger problem. We cannot function effectively without your goodwill, support and cooperation. We reinforce to players that your club is of paramount importance – a player begins with the club and ends with the club and that is one of the reasons we insist that players wear their club jersey to training. Players have full access to their training programmes which enables club managers / coaches to see what they are doing.
We are happy to provide answers to questions clubs may have and in order to facilitate this process, we are having an open training session whereby club managers can attend and the managers of both the under 17 and 18 teams will be in attendance to answer any queries you may have. The session will take place on Monday 6th Feb in Garvaghey and everyone is invited along to discuss any concerns you may have. In addition to that the players will have the contact details for both sets of management who will be happy to take your call and resolve any issues.
We look forward to working with you throughout the year and we would invite you to contact us at any time and thank you for your ongoing support.
Tyrone Academy.

Good lad Benny! At this rate, think it would be best if we scrap the Club Minor Competition and just let them get on with it sure!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 26, 2017, 06:19:40 PM
At least the lads will get to wear their club colours at county training!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 26, 2017, 06:41:10 PM
and club managers can get to watch their first training session with the so-called county academy wow! total disgrace this is...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on January 26, 2017, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 26, 2017, 06:19:40 PM
At least the lads will get to wear their club colours at county training!!!


So patronising .. such a line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 26, 2017, 06:45:42 PM
It's like a letter from the DUP about RHI........treating clubs as fools!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on January 26, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2017, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 25, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Dan Mc Nulty is an option not explored. 6ft 2" with power. One poster talked about how Hampsey marked him out of it when Coalisland played in the championship semi final. They broke even in the first game Mc Nulty played the replay sick and Hampsey definitely got the better of him. They neglected to mention he absolutely destroyed Justin Mc Mahon in both games , a player who major big game experience and has successfully marked Micheal Murphy in senior championship, he also easily got the better of  Carrickmore full back. He offers us a ball winning physical presence who is a proven free taker under immense pressure. Maybe next year.

Long questioned why McNulty hasn't at least been called into the panel - I know he suffered with a back problem for a long time but is there another target man like him playing in Tyrone currently? Its a strange one.

Maybe because he doesn't want to

Not my understanding. Although the brother had a bit of a fall out with Harte, so that likely won't have helped the cause.

Near sure Dan got the better of Justy twice and it was 50/50 with him and Hampsey think I can remind Dan turning him inside out a few times even with him hardly fit to stand.. And when Clonoe play there running game Dan gets starved of ball that's why he was on the fifty for the first game against Omagh and he took McMahon to cleaners.. McCartan was on him maybe because carmens other young full back Duffy got roasted by him in the league.. A big man at 6ft 2 needs fed the ball and he was getting starved of the ball in all the games it was only in the last 5 mins when it was last resort long balls in and he was their hero on a number of occasions.. Also he's only a lad at 22 years of age.. but am near sure he has 2/3 All Irelands in his back pocket already and at least 4 Ulster medals..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 26, 2017, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on January 26, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2017, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 25, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Dan Mc Nulty is an option not explored. 6ft 2" with power. One poster talked about how Hampsey marked him out of it when Coalisland played in the championship semi final. They broke even in the first game Mc Nulty played the replay sick and Hampsey definitely got the better of him. They neglected to mention he absolutely destroyed Justin Mc Mahon in both games , a player who major big game experience and has successfully marked Micheal Murphy in senior championship, he also easily got the better of  Carrickmore full back. He offers us a ball winning physical presence who is a proven free taker under immense pressure. Maybe next year.

Long questioned why McNulty hasn't at least been called into the panel - I know he suffered with a back problem for a long time but is there another target man like him playing in Tyrone currently? Its a strange one.

Maybe because he doesn't want to

Not my understanding. Although the brother had a bit of a fall out with Harte, so that likely won't have helped the cause.

Near sure Dan got the better of Justy twice and it was 50/50 with him and Hampsey think I can remind Dan turning him inside out a few times even with him hardly fit to stand.. And when Clonoe play there running game Dan gets starved of ball that's why he was on the fifty for the first game against Omagh and he took McMahon to cleaners.. McCartan was on him maybe because carmens other young full back Duffy got roasted by him in the league.. A big man at 6ft 2 needs fed the ball and he was getting starved of the ball in all the games it was only in the last 5 mins when it was last resort long balls in and he was their hero on a number of occasions.. Also he's only a lad at 22 years of age.. but am near sure he has 2/3 All Irelands in his back pocket already and at least 4 Ulster medals..
If you don't know how many medals you have then no one does
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 26, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
How many times have u said that now "in hiding", u clown. Hampsey is cert this year. A class act. Monroe as well.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 26, 2017, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 26, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
How many times have u said that now "in hiding", u clown. Hampsey is cert this year. A class act. Monroe as well.

Don't be so aggressive. Have you anger management issues


But you are right, it's not funny anymore
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 26, 2017, 10:42:44 PM
Comórtas: Corn an Dr Mhic Cionnaith
Cluiche: Doire v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: Pairc Esler
Dáta: 28 Eanáir 2017

Senior Apperances in brackets

1 - Niall Morgan - Éadan na dTorc (55)
2 - Aidan McCrory - Aireagal Chiaráin (87)
3 - Justin McMahon - An Omaigh (103)
4 - Pádraig Hampsey - Oileán a'Ghuail (12)
5 - Jonathan Monroe - An Charraig Mhór (15)
6 - Matthew Donnelly - Trí Leac (84)
7 - Peter Harte (c) - Aireagal Chiaráin (108)
8 - Colm Cavanagh - An Mhaigh (126)
9 - Padraig McNulty - Dún Geanainn (34)
10 - Declan McClure - Cluain Eo (4)
11 - Niall Sludden - An Droim Mhór (21)
12 - Conor Meyler - An Omaigh (14)
13 - Mark Bradley - Coill an Chlochair (26)
14 - Cahir McCullagh - An Caisleán Glas (4)
15 - Ronan O'Neill - An Omaigh (58)

16 - Mickey O'Neill - Cluain Eo (20)
17 - Lee Brennan - Trí Leac (11)
18 - Sean Cavanagh - An Mhaigh (226)
19 - Tiernan McCann - Coill an Chlochair (47)
20 - Cathal McCarron - An Droim Mór (90)
21 - Darren McCurry - Éadan na dTorc (65)
22 - Ronan McHugh - Achadh Uí Aráin (3)
23 - Niall McKenna - Domhnach Mór (43)
24 - Ronan McNabb - An Droim Mhór (53)
25 - Ronan McNamee - Achadh Uí Aráin (56)
26 - Cathal McShane - E. R. Uí Néill (20)

Strange enough team, thought McCurry would definitely start considering his vein of form. Would also prefer to see McCarron in there instead of McCrory.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2017, 11:01:10 PM
McNulty has gotten a good run in this pre season. I wonder if Mickey plans on starting him at midfield in the coming year. Certainly offers us a bit more height in the side which is currently lacking and he can be a very powerful runner, if a little headless.

I don't like Mattie at 6, he's prone to making some daft tackles and I think a defensive role takes away from his game as well as leaving him more open to those daft tackles. He was sent off against Armagh in 2014 when he played at 6 and has also had red cards in last year's league final against Cavan and the McKenna Cup this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 27, 2017, 07:50:10 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2017, 11:01:10 PM
McNulty has gotten a good run in this pre season. I wonder if Mickey plans on starting him at midfield in the coming year. Certainly offers us a bit more height in the side which is currently lacking and he can be a very powerful runner, if a little headless.

I don't like Mattie at 6, he's prone to making some daft tackles and I think a defensive role takes away from his game as well as leaving him more open to those daft tackles. He was sent off against Armagh in 2014 when he played at 6 and has also had red cards in last year's league final against Cavan and the McKenna Cup this year.

McNulty has got a good run but so far he's done absolutely nothing to suggest he should be playing when the real stuff starts. If we could get him playing well it would be invaluable as it could free Mattie up a bit more but from what I've seen he hasn't  kicked on at all from 2 years ago when he joined the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on January 27, 2017, 08:08:08 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2017, 11:01:10 PM
McNulty has gotten a good run in this pre season. I wonder if Mickey plans on starting him at midfield in the coming year. Certainly offers us a bit more height in the side which is currently lacking and he can be a very powerful runner, if a little headless.

I don't like Mattie at 6, he's prone to making some daft tackles and I think a defensive role takes away from his game as well as leaving him more open to those daft tackles. He was sent off against Armagh in 2014 when he played at 6 and has also had red cards in last year's league final against Cavan and the McKenna Cup this year.

That was a poor decision and Mattie Donnelly deserved no credit for that card.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on January 27, 2017, 09:07:51 AM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on January 26, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2017, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 25, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Dan Mc Nulty is an option not explored. 6ft 2" with power. One poster talked about how Hampsey marked him out of it when Coalisland played in the championship semi final. They broke even in the first game Mc Nulty played the replay sick and Hampsey definitely got the better of him. They neglected to mention he absolutely destroyed Justin Mc Mahon in both games , a player who major big game experience and has successfully marked Micheal Murphy in senior championship, he also easily got the better of  Carrickmore full back. He offers us a ball winning physical presence who is a proven free taker under immense pressure. Maybe next year.

Long questioned why McNulty hasn't at least been called into the panel - I know he suffered with a back problem for a long time but is there another target man like him playing in Tyrone currently? Its a strange one.

Maybe because he doesn't want to

Not my understanding. Although the brother had a bit of a fall out with Harte, so that likely won't have helped the cause.

Near sure Dan got the better of Justy twice and it was 50/50 with him and Hampsey think I can remind Dan turning him inside out a few times even with him hardly fit to stand.. And when Clonoe play there running game Dan gets starved of ball that's why he was on the fifty for the first game against Omagh and he took McMahon to cleaners.. McCartan was on him maybe because carmens other young full back Duffy got roasted by him in the league.. A big man at 6ft 2 needs fed the ball and he was getting starved of the ball in all the games it was only in the last 5 mins when it was last resort long balls in and he was their hero on a number of occasions.. Also he's only a lad at 22 years of age.. but am near sure he has 2/3 All Irelands in his back pocket already and at least 4 Ulster medals..

Not sure who your talking about here there is no such person on the Carrickmore team?

On another note surely Munroe will be giving his chance this year in the League? Has played near every match in the mckenna cup and has been impressive? Also from what ive seen of Hampsey he should be in ahead of McCrory?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 27, 2017, 09:12:15 AM
Had only seen munroe few times before last year but since he has been with tyrone he hasn't put a foot wrong, very impressive and you could throw him in anywhere.

Hope Hampsey gets a good run in the league
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 27, 2017, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2017, 11:01:10 PM
McNulty has gotten a good run in this pre season. I wonder if Mickey plans on starting him at midfield in the coming year. Certainly offers us a bit more height in the side which is currently lacking and he can be a very powerful runner, if a little headless.

I don't like Mattie at 6, he's prone to making some daft tackles and I think a defensive role takes away from his game as well as leaving him more open to those daft tackles. He was sent off against Armagh in 2014 when he played at 6 and has also had red cards in last year's league final against Cavan and the McKenna Cup this year.

Have to agree - he's better when bombing forward although the numbers mean very little these days anyway. Could be any number of formations and variables. Tyrone have actually four midfielders by trade on - perhaps they think they can get joy under Morgans kick outs with those guys in and around the middle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on January 27, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
With the retention of a few obvious selections I think the bench is as strong as the starting line-up. Cant see a few on them been retained for the league; O'Neill, Meyler & McClure would need to something soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 27, 2017, 11:44:11 AM
Meyler would start for me everytime, think he will be some player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 27, 2017, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: Helpline on January 27, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
With the retention of a few obvious selections I think the bench is as strong as the starting line-up. Cant see a few on them been retained for the league; O'Neill, Meyler & McClure would need to something soon.

Yeah there isn't a hope he will drop Meyler nor O'Neill. Especially with in O'Neills case with brennan having under 21's and mc caliskey being injured. I would start meyler to.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
For me Myler has done nothing this past 2 years for club or county to warrant a start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 27, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
For me Myler has done nothing this past 2 years for club or county to warrant a start.
For an omagh man you are very harsh on your clubman
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 01:37:33 PM
I may live in Omagh but do not insult me

I certainly am not an Omagh man. Unfortunately Marriage has determined where i live, in all fairness Omagh isn't to bad ;)

Myler isn't a bad fella I am purely looking on what he has done this past 2 years ? Correct me if i am wrong?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Oh and InHiding you know fuckkkkkk alllll about football hossssss
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 27, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Oh and InHiding you know fuckkkkkk alllll about football hossssss
Sure I'm here to be educated about football by people like yourself who know it all.
Have you seen conor meyler play much club football in the last two years ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 27, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 27, 2017, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 01:37:33 PM
I may live in Omagh but do not insult me

I certainly am not an Omagh man. Unfortunately Marriage has determined where i live, in all fairness Omagh isn't to bad ;)

Myler isn't a bad fella I am purely looking on what he has done this past 2 years ? Correct me if i am wrong?

Won an Under 21 All Ireland, got called into the Senior panel and given a Man of the Match performance in the McKenna Cup final in a season where he struggled with injury?

Exactly right. Last year was bad because of the recurring hamstring injury but the year before? Are ye wise, he had a great year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 03:27:32 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 27, 2017, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 01:37:33 PM
I may live in Omagh but do not insult me

I certainly am not an Omagh man. Unfortunately Marriage has determined where i live, in all fairness Omagh isn't to bad ;)

Myler isn't a bad fella I am purely looking on what he has done this past 2 years ? Correct me if i am wrong?

Won an Under 21 All Ireland, got called into the Senior panel and given a Man of the Match performance in the McKenna Cup final in a season where he struggled with injury?

He played zero football last year. So if you call a full year out deserving of a place on our county team well then i dont know what to say :0
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 27, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
Meyler has been hit badly by niggly injuries the past few years.

He was absolutely immense in the corresponding McKenna Cup clash with Derry last year, pretty much turned the game by himself for Tyrone after his introduction. He has a great engine on him and if he can stay injury free and get a bit craftier on the ball then he can be a big player for us, he is still very inexperienced at the minute and you'd certainly expect him to kick on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 27, 2017, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 27, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
Meyler has been hit badly by niggly injuries the past few years.

He was absolutely immense in the corresponding McKenna Cup clash with Derry last year, pretty much turned the game by himself for Tyrone after his introduction. He has a great engine on him and if he can stay injury free and get a bit craftier on the ball then he can be a big player for us, he is still very inexperienced at the minute and you'd certainly expect him to kick on.
For me his biggest downfall is the basics of the game. Handpassing, passing and shooting are all suspect under pressure but he has the fitness and the speed end of things there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 27, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 27, 2017, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 27, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
Meyler has been hit badly by niggly injuries the past few years.

He was absolutely immense in the corresponding McKenna Cup clash with Derry last year, pretty much turned the game by himself for Tyrone after his introduction. He has a great engine on him and if he can stay injury free and get a bit craftier on the ball then he can be a big player for us, he is still very inexperienced at the minute and you'd certainly expect him to kick on.
For me his biggest downfall is the basics of the game. Handpassing, passing and shooting are all suspect under pressure but he has the fitness and the speed end of things there

He's very inexperienced though, last season he couldn't get a run of games at all with injuries, the year before he only made his debut against Tipp in the Championship so. I don't think he's a bad footballer at all, he's good enough on the ball for me put just needs a little bit more composure in possession which will hopefully come with experience.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2017, 11:18:01 AM
As usual always very tricky to pick the starting team for first round of league. It'll be something like this:

Morgan (think he's first choice but if going with rotation could be O'Neill)
Mccarron
McNamee/justy (mcnamee first choice but was away and justy looks fit)
Hampsey/mcrory (id start hampsey but mcrory rarely left out)
Mcnabb
Mattie
McCann
Colm
McNulty (looks to be giving him another go)
Harte
Sludden
Meyler/Mcclure (would guess meyler but he has given Mcclure lots of game time)
Mccurry
Mc Shane
Bradley

Would guess he'll save Sean as an impact sub early in league but could be wrong. Also would have had munroe down to start but he didn't feature at all last night so must have an injury. Couldn't totally rule ronan O'Neill out of a starting spot either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 29, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
Would be good if McNulty could play his part this season at MF and free Mattie up elsewhere.
Mattie is one of our best score getters like Harte and I feel that half forward and half back line almost play as one now doing zonal marking and attacking as one. Harte didn't seem too bothered about marking Ryan McHugh last summer.

Despite what some say about Meyler at club level, he seemed a very good ball carrier and hard worker which if fit I think will earn him a half forward slot.
With both Rory Brennan and Richie D still to come back from injury, there will be huge competition for places.

Has the mark made any change to our kickout strategy?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on January 29, 2017, 12:20:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2017, 11:18:01 AM
As usual always very tricky to pick the starting team for first round of league. It'll be something like this:

Morgan (think he's first choice but if going with rotation could be O'Neill)
Mccarron
McNamee/justy (mcnamee first choice but was away and justy looks fit)
Hampsey/mcrory (id start hampsey but mcrory rarely left out)
Mcnabb
Mattie
McCann
Colm
McNulty (looks to be giving him another go)
Harte
Sludden
Meyler/Mcclure (would guess meyler but he has given Mcclure lots of game time)
Mccurry
Mc Shane
Bradley

Would guess he'll save Sean as an impact sub early in league but could be wrong. Also would have had munroe down to start but he didn't feature at all last night so must have an injury. Couldn't totally rule ronan O'Neill out of a starting spot either.

Johnny was only home from a skiing holiday a couple of hours before the game started that's why he wouldn't have had any game time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 29, 2017, 08:05:22 PM
When is Mickey due to cut his squad?

Have many of the new lads done enough to stay on? McClure? McCullagh?

Who would be in jeopardy of dropping off from last season's panel? McKenna? Clarke?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 29, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Extended highlights on BBC iplayer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 30, 2017, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Extended highlights on BBC iplayer
who the f**k would want to watch highlights of that? not much interest around anymore. the whole thing has died. talkin to a few people who went to the last few games and apparently the only tyrone supporters left are the club tyrone crew and mickeys total faith/brown noser brigade.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 30, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2017, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Extended highlights on BBC iplayer
who the f**k would want to watch highlights of that? not much interest around anymore. the whole thing has died. talkin to a few people who went to the last few games and apparently the only tyrone supporters left are the club tyrone crew and mickeys total faith/brown noser brigade.

I am not sure of your motives. You have proven that you haven't a clue about football and that you don't like Harte. whatever you think he is in for another year. Maybe stay off the County board and go and comment on the club one, if you have one, doubtful.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maco on January 31, 2017, 12:22:54 AM
I hear Conor Clarke has been dropped from the Tyrone panel. Anyone else dropped?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 31, 2017, 08:39:54 AM
Quote from: maco on January 31, 2017, 12:22:54 AM
I hear Conor Clarke has been dropped from the Tyrone panel. Anyone else dropped?
Him and Niall McKenna away. No big surprise really, never available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 31, 2017, 08:48:07 AM
Does anyone know what is the situation with Ruari Mullan and Harry Loughran. Didn't see much or any of them in recent games - are they dropped, injured or did they quit...?

Are Clarke and McKenna the only 2 players dropped from the squad?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 31, 2017, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 31, 2017, 08:48:07 AM
Does anyone know what is the situation with Ruari Mullan and Harry Loughran. Didn't see much or any of them in recent games - are they dropped, injured or did they quit...?

Are Clarke and McKenna the only 2 players dropped from the squad?

I believe Ruairi Mullan has left the panel. Harry Loughran is still there as far as I know, but he has been injured. If Mckenna and Clarke are the only ones to have been dropped (along with Barry Tierney who previously left the panel) then we will have two extra lads from last year after the addition of Harry Loughran, Declan McClure, Cahir McCullagh, Ronan McHugh and Michael Cassidy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 31, 2017, 09:12:11 AM
Mcaliskey out for the year too so only one extra. Clarke had did ok pre Christmas but must have got injured again as wasn't seen in McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2017, 10:50:30 AM
Pity about Conor Clarke, looked to be a real find - unfortunately injuries have mounted for him, he's also carrying far too much muscle for a Gaelic Footballer - although that's probably a result of the injuries, the lad needs to be doing something to keep himself sane no doubt.

Hopefully a good run at club level and he'll be able to come back and add something.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: White Goodman on January 31, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2017, 10:50:30 AM
Pity about Conor Clarke, looked to be a real find - unfortunately injuries have mounted for him, he's also carrying far too much muscle for a Gaelic Footballer - although that's probably a result of the injuries, the lad needs to be doing something to keep himself sane no doubt.

Hopefully a good run at club level and he'll be able to come back and add something.

I don't think Mickey Harte watches reserve games...be tough for him to start for Omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 01, 2017, 10:00:12 AM
Good to see Mickey get another two pages in the Irish News, was getting worried its been a couple of days  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 01, 2017, 10:18:50 AM
I know it's such a shock that the highest profile figure in Ulster football gets so much coverage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2017, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: White Goodman on January 31, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2017, 10:50:30 AM
Pity about Conor Clarke, looked to be a real find - unfortunately injuries have mounted for him, he's also carrying far too much muscle for a Gaelic Footballer - although that's probably a result of the injuries, the lad needs to be doing something to keep himself sane no doubt.

Hopefully a good run at club level and he'll be able to come back and add something.

I don't think Mickey Harte watches reserve games...be tough for him to start for Omagh

Ah come on now, if the lad is injury free it's not even in question he starts for Omagh. Jesus oh, they aren't that good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 01, 2017, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2017, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: White Goodman on January 31, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2017, 10:50:30 AM
Pity about Conor Clarke, looked to be a real find - unfortunately injuries have mounted for him, he's also carrying far too much muscle for a Gaelic Footballer - although that's probably a result of the injuries, the lad needs to be doing something to keep himself sane no doubt.

Hopefully a good run at club level and he'll be able to come back and add something.

I don't think Mickey Harte watches reserve games...be tough for him to start for Omagh

Ah come on now, if the lad is injury free it's not even in question he starts for Omagh. Jesus oh, they aren't that good.

I personally think Omagh have more trouble finding where Conzo's best position is on the team. They have a number of strong players in his positions, i.e. Justy at FB, Bazza Tierney at CFB, Ciaran McLaughin at WFB maybe midfield is where they struggle and could fit him in but then again I wouldn't say he is mobile enough to play there (only an opinion)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 01, 2017, 04:35:04 PM
Conor is a really good lad who maybe put himself under severe pressure when he got his cruciate injury to return quickly.Hopefully he has a good club season and who knows what may happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 01, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 30, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2017, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Extended highlights on BBC iplayer
who the f**k would want to watch highlights of that? not much interest around anymore. the whole thing has died. talkin to a few people who went to the last few games and apparently the only tyrone supporters left are the club tyrone crew and mickeys total faith/brown noser brigade.

I am not sure of your motives. You have proven that you haven't a clue about football and that you don't like Harte. whatever you think he is in for another year. Maybe stay off the County board and go and comment on the club one, if you have one, doubtful.
like all good dictatorships mickey and people like yourself would just love people like me to go away and say nothing. accept the status quo. sorry but i wont be staying quiet on this one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 01, 2017, 10:30:39 PM
and it looks like i was right regarding niall mc kenna, first man dropped off the panel. surprise surprise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 02, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
Interesting to read about McCurry today in the Irish News how he is much more motivated for this season after losing the hunger a bit back in 2015. A few years ago he was our top scorer most years and it would be good to see him get back to that level. I'd expect him and Bradley to start this weekend. I wonder will he be back hitting the right sided frees.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 02, 2017, 05:38:17 PM
Bit young to be losing the hunger imo.Needs to focus on his game and leave the media to the more senior players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 02, 2017, 06:08:33 PM
Doesn't matter what age you are if you're playing and training all year round it's very easy to lose a bit of hunger in my opinion.

And I would really care about him speaking to the media. Do you have to be a certain age and played a certain number of games to give an interview? Not as if what he is saying is gonna be pinned up on opposition dressing room walls.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 03, 2017, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 01, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 30, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2017, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Extended highlights on BBC iplayer
who the f**k would want to watch highlights of that? not much interest around anymore. the whole thing has died. talkin to a few people who went to the last few games and apparently the only tyrone supporters left are the club tyrone crew and mickeys total faith/brown noser brigade.

I am not sure of your motives. You have proven that you haven't a clue about football and that you don't like Harte. whatever you think he is in for another year. Maybe stay off the County board and go and comment on the club one, if you have one, doubtful.
like all good dictatorships mickey and people like yourself would just love people like me to go away and say nothing. accept the status quo. sorry but i wont be staying quiet on this one.

Your letting the good people of augher down the way your going on. What the hell has Micky ever done on you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
ah sure mickeys a great fella altogether. at least he wont let the good people of augher down.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 04, 2017, 08:02:06 AM
well lads its the eve of another competitive joust at the south with the rossies first up at the home of the gaa in tyrone healy park. this week is the biggest in hartes tenure in my opinion two wins and its 2 more years thanks a million rosheen cherching cherching. he still probably the best man for the job at the minute unfortunately. personally tyrone need to beat a top 3 team in croker this year ulster titles or not we cant get roscommon and tipp every year or monaghan for that matter. however as i hand over my hard earned 13 pound tomorrow im more concerned about 2 sweepers and the shite we have to pay to watch. if there 2 sweepers in place on roscommons first attack i demand a refund. its not puke football anymore tyrone have the full monty its shite as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
I hear the u21s had a mighty win last night against Dublin.
Has anyone seen the final squad? Can't believe Dan Lowe from Stewartstown has not made it. Unreal talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
I hear the u21s had a mighty win last night against Dublin.
Has anyone seen the final squad? Can't believe Dan Lowe from Stewartstown has made it. Unreal talent.

He hasn't made the squad because he is overage for 2017. Only by a few weeks though.

I posted earlier this week on the thread below:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18050.345
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
I hear the u21s had a mighty win last night against Dublin.
Has anyone seen the final squad? Can't believe Dan Lowe from Stewartstown has made it. Unreal talent.

He hasn't made the squad because he is overage for 2017. Only by a few weeks though.

Ah right, that explains it.
Anyone got the final u21 squad for this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on February 05, 2017, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
I hear the u21s had a mighty win last night against Dublin.
Has anyone seen the final squad? Can't believe Dan Lowe from Stewartstown has made it. Unreal talent.

He hasn't made the squad because he is overage for 2017. Only by a few weeks though.

Ah right, that explains it.
Anyone got the final u21 squad for this year?
Michael McKernan Coalisland is Captain and Peter Teague dromore Vice Captain.
Don't know if the final squad list is available anywhere but.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 05, 2017, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
I hear the u21s had a mighty win last night against Dublin.
Has anyone seen the final squad? Can't believe Dan Lowe from Stewartstown has made it. Unreal talent.

He hasn't made the squad because he is overage for 2017. Only by a few weeks though.

I posted earlier this week on the thread below:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18050.345

Do you think he would make it at senior intercounty? Talent wise there are no doubts I'd say but suppose given the modern game its hard to know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 05, 2017, 06:41:21 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on February 05, 2017, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
I hear the u21s had a mighty win last night against Dublin.
Has anyone seen the final squad? Can't believe Dan Lowe from Stewartstown has made it. Unreal talent.

He hasn't made the squad because he is overage for 2017. Only by a few weeks though.

Ah right, that explains it.
Anyone got the final u21 squad for this year?
Michael McKernan Coalisland is Captain and Peter Teague dromore Vice Captain.
Don't know if the final squad list is available anywhere but.

Aye McKernan is a great player. Is Teague the big strong full back lad?
Would like to see the final squad but it doesn't seem to have been released
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on February 05, 2017, 06:45:44 PM
Disappointing outing today in my opinion from Tyrone. No urgency in their game, although it did appear they didn't get out of first gear.
Concerning for me was the ease that Roscommon were able to carve open Tyrone's defence for goal chances in the first half and the ongoing problem Tyrone have regarding free kicks with three or four opportunities missed that the other top teams would not have missed. Don't think number 6/sweeper is the place for Mattie, takes to much away from his attacking instincts which Tyrone require.
Tyrone noticeably picked up following the introduction of a few subs, Mark Bradley in particular sparked Tyrone into some life, surely deserves the start in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 05, 2017, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 05, 2017, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 04, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
I hear the u21s had a mighty win last night against Dublin.
Has anyone seen the final squad? Can't believe Dan Lowe from Stewartstown has made it. Unreal talent.

He hasn't made the squad because he is overage for 2017. Only by a few weeks though.

I posted earlier this week on the thread below:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18050.345

Do you think he would make it at senior intercounty? Talent wise there are no doubts I'd say but suppose given the modern game its hard to know.

Reading between the lines he doesn't bother with tackling back. Interesting that he was a sub on those underage teams
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 06, 2017, 12:31:11 AM
Yeah if he was a sub on those teams it speaks volumes. Seen him a few times this year and he really is deadly.

U21s playing Down on Tuesday night I hear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 06, 2017, 10:13:31 AM
Anyone know how long Richie Donnelly is out for? What injury does he have?
I hope Mattie is back for next Sat
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 06, 2017, 11:51:09 PM
Not sure. He didn't play in McKenna Cup and I don't think he's back training yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 07, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
U21 result from tonight.
Tyrone 2.13
Down 1.5
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2017, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 07, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
U21 result from tonight.
Tyrone 2.13
Down 1.5

Is that just a challenge match? Anybody able to list out our team? Any word if Brennan and Mulgrew are going well?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 08, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2017, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 07, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
U21 result from tonight.
Tyrone 2.13
Down 1.5

Is that just a challenge match? Anybody able to list out our team? Any word if Brennan and Mulgrew are going well?

Just a challenge match aye. Brennan and Mulgrew both flying. I was at the Dublin game and it was an impressive performance. Some serious young players in that squad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 09, 2017, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 08, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2017, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 07, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
U21 result from tonight.
Tyrone 2.13
Down 1.5

Is that just a challenge match? Anybody able to list out our team? Any word if Brennan and Mulgrew are going well?

Just a challenge match aye. Brennan and Mulgrew both flying. I was at the Dublin game and it was an impressive performance. Some serious young players in that squad

Who played well?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 09, 2017, 09:32:26 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 09, 2017, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 08, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2017, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 07, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
U21 result from tonight.
Tyrone 2.13
Down 1.5

Is that just a challenge match? Anybody able to list out our team? Any word if Brennan and Mulgrew are going well?

Just a challenge match aye. Brennan and Mulgrew both flying. I was at the Dublin game and it was an impressive performance. Some serious young players in that squad

Who played well?

Brennan and Mulgrew i think  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 09, 2017, 11:44:18 AM
Going to be some blockbuster against Donegal who are looking at All Ireland so good is their panel they believe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on February 09, 2017, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 09, 2017, 09:32:26 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 09, 2017, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 08, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2017, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 07, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
U21 result from tonight.
Tyrone 2.13
Down 1.5

Is that just a challenge match? Anybody able to list out our team? Any word if Brennan and Mulgrew are going well?

Just a challenge match aye. Brennan and Mulgrew both flying. I was at the Dublin game and it was an impressive performance. Some serious young players in that squad

Who played well?

Brennan and Mulgrew i think  ;)
I heard Brennan wasn't even playing against Down? But was impressive against Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 09, 2017, 11:29:47 PM
Naw Brennan wasn't there against Down alright. Wee McAnealla fella was playing instead. Very good. Brennan was deadly against Dublin as was Mulgrew and McKernan. I'd fancy us against Donegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 09, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
Still a long way off from beating Donegal. Guys ye need to get real. This is Donegals all Ireland to lose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 10, 2017, 12:05:09 AM
Quote from: rrhf on February 09, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
Still a long way off from beating Donegal. Guys ye need to get real. This is Donegals all Ireland to lose.

That's wouldnt be my reading of the situation. We've beaten St Vincents, Slaughtneil, Cork, Dublin and Down all in the last few weeks. Word from Donegal is that things aren't rosy with players scattered all over the country at various colleges so they can't even train during the week.
I genuinely believe we'll take them in Healy. Won't be easy but the team and management is there to do it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 10, 2017, 02:29:07 AM
I smell a rat with these post... hmmm
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 10, 2017, 07:08:50 AM
Quote from: rrhf on February 10, 2017, 02:29:07 AM
I smell a rat with these post... hmmm

Aye good man. Nothing wrong with a bit of posativity. You should try it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on February 10, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
Team named for the Dublin game: 1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc (56)
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail (14)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin (57)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór (92)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair (48)
6 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin (110)
7 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór (16)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (128)
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn (35)
10 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh (16)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór (23)
12 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo (6)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc (67)
14 – Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill (22)
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh (60)

Mattie donnelly going to be a massive miss but no point risking him this early in the season..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on February 11, 2017, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on February 10, 2017, 10:55:17 AM
Team named for the Dublin game: 1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc (56)
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail (14)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin (57)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór (92)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair (48)
6 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin (110)
7 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór (16)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (128)
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn (35)
10 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh (16)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór (23)
12 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo (6)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc (67)
14 – Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill (22)
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh (60)

Mattie donnelly going to be a massive miss but no point risking him this early in the season..
Looking at the Dublin team and with no Mattie i think changes are inevitable before throw in tonight. Would expect Sean Cavanagh and Rory Brennan to come in, maybe ( and hopefully) Mark Bradley as well. Otherwise i can see it being a long night with a struggle for scores.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 11, 2017, 02:12:04 PM
Who do you think will make way Gael?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 11, 2017, 02:32:12 PM
I think we'll tighten the dubs. OK our lack of scoring power is a problem but the way we set up is more advanced than Cavan and they kept Dublin quiet for long spells.
Anyone know the story with Richie Donnelly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on February 12, 2017, 12:56:59 PM
Not a bad performance tight at the back hard to break down but up front we are lacking. Need to be converting those chances last night we kicked wide or dropped short over 50% of our shots/chances same last week. Hopefully it's early enough in the season to rectify this problem as it's the same issue stopped us in the previous two all Ireland campaigns
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 12, 2017, 11:50:05 PM
Watched highlights there and have to say that was a really decent showing for this time of year. OK the blanket defence can be hard to watch but the individual performance of young Sudden was a joy to watch. I watched him a few years back playing sweeper for st Marys in Sigerson and he was deadly but he came of age on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2017, 12:08:42 AM
Were Loughran and Cassidy cut from the panel or just still injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on February 13, 2017, 12:01:01 PM
The way things are going it's looking like McClure is nailed down for a midfield slot this year. Has been hugely impressive so far this year. Hope this is the case and allows Mattie to move to a more advanced position. Would be dissapointed if Mattie is at 6, takes too much away from his attacking game.
Would love too see Mattie Sludden Harte lined out at 10,11,12. Be a fearsome proposition for anyone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 13, 2017, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on February 13, 2017, 12:01:01 PM
The way things are going it's looking like McClure is nailed down for a midfield slot this year. Has been hugely impressive so far this year. Hope this is the case and allows Mattie to move to a more advanced position. Would be dissapointed if Mattie is at 6, takes too much away from his attacking game.
Would love too see Mattie Sludden Harte lined out at 10,11,12. Be a fearsome proposition for anyone.

Agreed. Having a couple more options around the middle could let Mattie spend some time in Full Forward. The way we play he'll never spend a full game in there (and it would be a waste if he did) but if he could do a couple of ten minute rotations in there during a game i think it would give us a great outlet and allow us to mix it up a bit more.

I can't see  Mattie playing at 6 when we get everybody back fit. We have plenty of options for the half back like with the likes of Justy, McNabb, Brennan, the two McGearys, Munroe and even McCrory and Frank Burns probably competing for 2 spots alongside Tiernan McCann (assuming Petey Harte lines out at 10).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on February 13, 2017, 12:33:21 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 13, 2017, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on February 13, 2017, 12:01:01 PM
The way things are going it's looking like McClure is nailed down for a midfield slot this year. Has been hugely impressive so far this year. Hope this is the case and allows Mattie to move to a more advanced position. Would be dissapointed if Mattie is at 6, takes too much away from his attacking game.
Would love too see Mattie Sludden Harte lined out at 10,11,12. Be a fearsome proposition for anyone.

Agreed. Having a couple more options around the middle could let Mattie spend some time in Full Forward. The way we play he'll never spend a full game in there (and it would be a waste if he did) but if he could do a couple of ten minute rotations in there during a game i think it would give us a great outlet and allow us to mix it up a bit more.

I can't see  Mattie playing at 6 when we get everybody back fit. We have plenty of options for the half back like with the likes of Justy, McNabb, Brennan, the two McGearys, Munroe and even McCrory and Frank Burns probably competing for 2 spots alongside Tiernan McCann (assuming Petey Harte lines out at 10).
Also agree with this, think Midfield is now set as is the full back line. Would love to see that Half Forward line in place come the championship, they could make up for a lot of short comings of the inside line. The half back line could be anything alongside McCann but i think it will be Justy (Harte likes experience against the bigger teams) and Rory Brennan (my personal pick of the rest). Gives a lot of options of the bench for freshening things up during the game with the players mentioned all waiting in the wings. The full forward line situation is a mess in my opinion, McShane doesn't look comfortable in their at all, Sean Cavanagh prefers to be out the field and O'Neill Bradley and McCurry are a much of a muchness and all present the same inconsistent problems regarding ball winning but I think Bradley and McCurry are probably the way Harte will go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 13, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
In today's Irish News it names a Tyrone team to play Cork back in 1997.
They name P.O'Neill at full back. Who was that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on February 13, 2017, 02:13:54 PM
Paul O'Neill from Donaghmore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 14, 2017, 12:09:15 AM
What's the story on Richie Donnelly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on February 14, 2017, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 13, 2017, 02:13:54 PM
Paul O'Neill from Donaghmore.

Was he not the Moy?, decent player, stylish but maybe not tough enough for FB at that time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 14, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: Beantown on February 14, 2017, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 13, 2017, 02:13:54 PM
Paul O'Neill from Donaghmore.

Was he not the Moy?, decent player, stylish but maybe not tough enough for FB at that time

Definitely a Donaghmore man. I think you may be thinking of Peter O'Neill from the Moy who knocked around the panel for a few years previous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on February 14, 2017, 09:37:46 AM
Peter O'Neill would have been mid 80's.  Terence O'Neill from the Moy would have played early 90's I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 14, 2017, 10:41:47 AM
Aye Terence (Moy) and Paul (Donaghmore) were both in and around the team at that time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 14, 2017, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: laceer on February 14, 2017, 09:37:46 AM
Peter O'Neill would have been mid 80's.  Terence O'Neill from the Moy would have played early 90's I think.

Yes, that's right, I seem to remember Peter on the 1986 panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 14, 2017, 11:11:39 AM
I can't picture Paul O'Neill at all. Did he only play during the league?

Interesting that half forward line that was mentioned above of Sludden, Mattie and Harte. It certainly has a lot of scoring potential which our FF line has been lacking lately. With the way teams set up nowadays and it becoming so hard for inside forwards to get time and space to shoot then maybe we should have most of our score takers out on the 40. Sludden seems to have really pushed on and is the new Peter Harte. He's very good and breaking the tackle and running direct and kicking points.

Half back line you have a lot of players fighting for a place there as well. McNabb, Justy, Brennan, McCann and probably Munroe
McClure seems to have settled in well and is a big lad to partner Colm with McNulty another option who likes to attack.

The full forward line will be the problem area again but you would imagine Sean and Bradley will be first choice if fit so it depends on who gets the other corner. I would play McShane there just for his ball winning qualities alone and also he can drop back and act as a third midfielder. Sean needs to start hitting our left sided frees again and I really wish he would stay in around the square as he showed a few years back he's still very strong under the high ball into him and with Bradley zipping around him they could be a great partnership. Of course then you've got McCurry, Lee Brennan, Meyler, Richie Donnelly and Ronan O'Neill as options from the bench. My own best 15 would be
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
Brennan
Justy or McNabb
McCann
Colm
McClure
Harte
Mattie
Sludden
McShane
Sean
Bradley

I wonder how would Richie Donnelly do in at FF? Does he always play MF for Trillick?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on February 14, 2017, 12:04:59 PM
Paul O'Neill played full back on Queens team that won Sigerson. You may not remember him Fuzzman but those who played against him do!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 14, 2017, 12:39:48 PM
Quote from: Beantown on February 14, 2017, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 13, 2017, 02:13:54 PM
Paul O'Neill from Donaghmore.

Was he not the Moy?, decent player, stylish but maybe not tough enough for FB at that time

You obviously thinking of someone else. The Paul O Neill from Donaghmore that I played against would have took your life but in a very honest hard fashion, no dirty or treacherous stuff with him. He could definitely handle himself in the physical stakes but a very nice fella off the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 14, 2017, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 14, 2017, 11:11:39 AM
I can't picture Paul O'Neill at all. Did he only play during the league?

Interesting that half forward line that was mentioned above of Sludden, Mattie and Harte. It certainly has a lot of scoring potential which our FF line has been lacking lately. With the way teams set up nowadays and it becoming so hard for inside forwards to get time and space to shoot then maybe we should have most of our score takers out on the 40. Sludden seems to have really pushed on and is the new Peter Harte. He's very good and breaking the tackle and running direct and kicking points.

Half back line you have a lot of players fighting for a place there as well. McNabb, Justy, Brennan, McCann and probably Munroe
McClure seems to have settled in well and is a big lad to partner Colm with McNulty another option who likes to attack.

The full forward line will be the problem area again but you would imagine Sean and Bradley will be first choice if fit so it depends on who gets the other corner. I would play McShane there just for his ball winning qualities alone and also he can drop back and act as a third midfielder. Sean needs to start hitting our left sided frees again and I really wish he would stay in around the square as he showed a few years back he's still very strong under the high ball into him and with Bradley zipping around him they could be a great partnership. Of course then you've got McCurry, Lee Brennan, Meyler, Richie Donnelly and Ronan O'Neill as options from the bench. My own best 15 would be
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
Brennan
Justy or McNabb
McCann
Colm
McClure
Harte
Mattie
Sludden
McShane
Sean
Bradley

I wonder how would Richie Donnelly do in at FF? Does he always play MF for Trillick?

I have yet to see Mc Shane win many balls. Looked terribly out of position, slow and laboured in FF last Saturday night, or perhaps the tv done him no favours

If your going to pick your best team, pick 15. Not 16 as above
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 14, 2017, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 14, 2017, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 14, 2017, 11:11:39 AM
I can't picture Paul O'Neill at all. Did he only play during the league?

Interesting that half forward line that was mentioned above of Sludden, Mattie and Harte. It certainly has a lot of scoring potential which our FF line has been lacking lately. With the way teams set up nowadays and it becoming so hard for inside forwards to get time and space to shoot then maybe we should have most of our score takers out on the 40. Sludden seems to have really pushed on and is the new Peter Harte. He's very good and breaking the tackle and running direct and kicking points.

Half back line you have a lot of players fighting for a place there as well. McNabb, Justy, Brennan, McCann and probably Munroe
McClure seems to have settled in well and is a big lad to partner Colm with McNulty another option who likes to attack.

The full forward line will be the problem area again but you would imagine Sean and Bradley will be first choice if fit so it depends on who gets the other corner. I would play McShane there just for his ball winning qualities alone and also he can drop back and act as a third midfielder. Sean needs to start hitting our left sided frees again and I really wish he would stay in around the square as he showed a few years back he's still very strong under the high ball into him and with Bradley zipping around him they could be a great partnership. Of course then you've got McCurry, Lee Brennan, Meyler, Richie Donnelly and Ronan O'Neill as options from the bench. My own best 15 would be
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
Brennan
Justy or McNabb
McCann
Colm
McClure
Harte
Mattie
Sludden
McShane
Sean
Bradley

I wonder how would Richie Donnelly do in at FF? Does he always play MF for Trillick?

I have yet to see Mc Shane win many balls. Looked terribly out of position, slow and laboured in FF last Saturday night, or perhaps the tv done him no favours

If your going to pick your best team, pick 15. Not 16 as above

Count again, its only 15!

Good team by the way. IMO McShane is a future midfielder. He's there for St Marys in Sigerson and doing well. I'd see Richie Donnelly as being an excellent full forward. He played there for Jordanstown about 5 or 6 years ago and was very good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 14, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
mark bradley has a lot to do yet to convince he played two big games last week for uuj and tyrone and scored nowt. hardly the stuff of legend. however he may improve. big sean looks leggy but thats hardly surprising. not convinced that either of those 2 have what it takes in a ff line. mcshane might be an option in 2020. lee brennan for me all day with mattie donnelly, but that would be a leap too far for an ultra conservative sideline.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 15, 2017, 12:00:42 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 14, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
mark bradley has a lot to do yet to convince he played two big games last week for uuj and tyrone and scored nowt. hardly the stuff of legend. however he may improve. big sean looks leggy but thats hardly surprising. not convinced that either of those 2 have what it takes in a ff line. mcshane might be an option in 2020. lee brennan for me all day with mattie donnelly, but that would be a leap too far for an ultra conservative sideline.

+1
Why on earth is Lee Brennan not getting a look in? He's as good if not better than anything we have
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 15, 2017, 07:58:58 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 14, 2017, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 14, 2017, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 14, 2017, 11:11:39 AM
I can't picture Paul O'Neill at all. Did he only play during the league?

Interesting that half forward line that was mentioned above of Sludden, Mattie and Harte. It certainly has a lot of scoring potential which our FF line has been lacking lately. With the way teams set up nowadays and it becoming so hard for inside forwards to get time and space to shoot then maybe we should have most of our score takers out on the 40. Sludden seems to have really pushed on and is the new Peter Harte. He's very good and breaking the tackle and running direct and kicking points.

Half back line you have a lot of players fighting for a place there as well. McNabb, Justy, Brennan, McCann and probably Munroe
McClure seems to have settled in well and is a big lad to partner Colm with McNulty another option who likes to attack.

The full forward line will be the problem area again but you would imagine Sean and Bradley will be first choice if fit so it depends on who gets the other corner. I would play McShane there just for his ball winning qualities alone and also he can drop back and act as a third midfielder. Sean needs to start hitting our left sided frees again and I really wish he would stay in around the square as he showed a few years back he's still very strong under the high ball into him and with Bradley zipping around him they could be a great partnership. Of course then you've got McCurry, Lee Brennan, Meyler, Richie Donnelly and Ronan O'Neill as options from the bench. My own best 15 would be
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
Brennan
Justy or McNabb
McCann
Colm
McClure
Harte
Mattie
Sludden
McShane
Sean
Bradley

I wonder how would Richie Donnelly do in at FF? Does he always play MF for Trillick?

I have yet to see Mc Shane win many balls. Looked terribly out of position, slow and laboured in FF last Saturday night, or perhaps the tv done him no favours

If your going to pick your best team, pick 15. Not 16 as above

Count again, its only 15!

Good team by the way. IMO McShane is a future midfielder. He's there for St Marys in Sigerson and doing well. I'd see Richie Donnelly as being an excellent full forward. He played there for Jordanstown about 5 or 6 years ago and was very good.

Looks like 16 Names/Players to Me

What are people basing their Lee Brennan is better than Bradley theory on?? Both great players but still young and inexperienced

If it's Club performance Bradley wins hands down. The last 2 games Bradley played was against the Reigning All Ireland and Reigning Sigerson Holders, and you's are judging him heavily on that. Would Brennan of done any better??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 15, 2017, 08:14:56 AM
Lee Brennan is another example of why its better to be on the bench than the team in terms of people's perception of you. He's been talked up as someone who should be an automatic starter based on very little. In reality he's a young lad still developing and not ready to be starting at senior county level yet. Hopefully over the next year or two he will develop into a player capable of starting and has plenty of ability but the disbelief that he's not starting is just stupid.

The same boys who were shouting for Ronan O'Neill to be given a run of games a year or two ago and building him up similar to Brennan are now the same boys giving out that he's on the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on February 15, 2017, 08:18:02 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 14, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
mark bradley has a lot to do yet to convince he played two big games last week for uuj and tyrone and scored nowt. hardly the stuff of legend. however he may improve. big sean looks leggy but thats hardly surprising. not convinced that either of those 2 have what it takes in a ff line. mcshane might be an option in 2020. lee brennan for me all day with mattie donnelly, but that would be a leap too far for an ultra conservative sideline.

It's exacxtly the stuff of legend. It's wasn't be accident this happened. He destroyed all in front of him in the club Championship and so it was time for upcoming opponents to take note.
In his hay day Gooch was held scoreless from play an number of times including against Tyrone.
I'm a big fan of Bradley and if he can demand the full attention of J Cooper it's an oppotunity for others to step up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 15, 2017, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 14, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
mark bradley has a lot to do yet to convince he played two big games last week for uuj and tyrone and scored nowt. hardly the stuff of legend. however he may improve. big sean looks leggy but thats hardly surprising. not convinced that either of those 2 have what it takes in a ff line. mcshane might be an option in 2020. lee brennan for me all day with mattie donnelly, but that would be a leap too far for an ultra conservative sideline.

Lee Breenan ahead of Mark Bradley? What are you smoking?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 15, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
Richie Donnelly is another who really doesn't deserve a spot yet either.  He has done nothing in the county jersey at senior level yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on February 15, 2017, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
Richie Donnelly is another who really doesn't deserve a spot yet either.  He has done nothing in the county jersey at senior level yet.

He had a right game against Derry in the national League last year jump to mind named MOTM and again in the championship when he hit in the long ball for Rony O'Neils goal,, there the only 2 games I went to last year, If your guna say boys dont deserve a spot based on the fact they've done nothin then your guna have very few players to pick from up front.
Name the current forwards who you consider "has done something at senior level to deserve there spot then"?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 15, 2017, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on February 15, 2017, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
Richie Donnelly is another who really doesn't deserve a spot yet either.  He has done nothing in the county jersey at senior level yet.

He had a right game against Derry in the national League last year jump to mind named MOTM and again in the championship when he hit in the long ball for Rony O'Neils goal,, there the only 2 games I went to last year, If your guna say boys dont deserve a spot based on the fact they've done nothin then your guna have very few players to pick from up front.
Name the current forwards who you consider "has done something at senior level to deserve there spot then"?

I think your answer confirms what I was saying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 15, 2017, 10:20:34 AM
It's hard to judge Richie Donnelly at county level just yet as he's had a lot of injuries but when he has played I thought he did well. A good fielder, strong runner and well able to shoot. I'd be comparing him to McShane and Meyler who have both got plenty of games for the team.

I think the main issues we have are in the FF line and it's probably because it has become such a tough position to play these days with so many teams having lots of defenders back in there. Most times McShane got the ball last Sat (and the week before) he was surrounded within seconds. That's why I think it's tough on players even like Sean to play in that claustrophobic environment as you need to be fast to get the ball away before you're swarmed on. I think this is why Sean doesn't stay in there that much that he much prefers getting the ball out around MF or the 40 and shooting from further out. Mark Bradley is the ideal corner forward I think as he's fast, has good off the ball movement and can get his shot away quickly. McCurry is similar but tends to miss a lot of chances.
I am not looking for Brennan to start games just yet but I'd like to see him come on as a sub a bit more. It's not like he's only 18 or 19.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 15, 2017, 10:25:16 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 14, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
mark bradley has a lot to do yet to convince he played two big games last week for uuj and tyrone and scored nowt. hardly the stuff of legend. however he may improve. big sean looks leggy but thats hardly surprising. not convinced that either of those 2 have what it takes in a ff line. mcshane might be an option in 2020. lee brennan for me all day with mattie donnelly, but that would be a leap too far for an ultra conservative sideline.

Mark Bradley has a lot yet to convince but Lee Brennan doesn't? That's some contradiction in rapid succession.

Mattie Donnelly is too important to Tyrone at the minute to chance having him in as a peripheral figure on the edge of the square.

Our four most important players at the minute are Donnelly, Sludden, Harte and Colm Cavanagh. The plan should be to allow the former three the freedom to dictate our play. Cavanagh is vital for the work rate, his protection of the back line and his reading of the game.

McCurry, O'Neill, Bradley and Brennan are the four inside men we've got at the minute. There's not one of them who has set themselves apart from each other yet so the continued championing of the guy on the bench as the saviour has got to stop.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 15, 2017, 10:52:38 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 15, 2017, 10:25:16 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 14, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
mark bradley has a lot to do yet to convince he played two big games last week for uuj and tyrone and scored nowt. hardly the stuff of legend. however he may improve. big sean looks leggy but thats hardly surprising. not convinced that either of those 2 have what it takes in a ff line. mcshane might be an option in 2020. lee brennan for me all day with mattie donnelly, but that would be a leap too far for an ultra conservative sideline.

Mark Bradley has a lot yet to convince but Lee Brennan doesn't? That's some contradiction in rapid succession.

Mattie Donnelly is too important to Tyrone at the minute to chance having him in as a peripheral figure on the edge of the square.

Our four most important players at the minute are Donnelly, Sludden, Harte and Colm Cavanagh. The plan should be to allow the former three the freedom to dictate our play. Cavanagh is vital for the work rate, his protection of the back line and his reading of the game.

McCurry, O'Neill, Bradley and Brennan are the four inside men we've got at the minute. There's not one of them who has set themselves apart from each other yet so the continued championing of the guy on the bench as the saviour has got to stop.

Well said. If Brennan was showing up every night at training and standing head and shoulders above the other guys mentioned, and roasting the likes of McCarron and Hampsey then it's madness to think he wouldn't be getting more game time than he currently is. He's clearly a class act but I think it's foolish to think that management would be holding him back if he was consistently outperforming McCurry, O'Neill and Bradley in training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Tyrone Minor Panel 2017

February 14th, 2017
Ronan Cassidy  Ardboe
Conall Devlin Ardboe
Oran McKee Carrickmore
Paddy McElduff Carrickmore
Lorcan Quinn Donaghmore
Cahir Goodwin Dromore
Oran Rafferty Dromore
Oran Sludden Dromore
Oran Mallon  Dungannon
Brian McNulty  Dungannon
James Morgan  Dungannon
Ethan Jordan Eglish
Peter Og McCartan Errigal Ciaran
Darragh Canavan Errigal Ciaran
Conor Quinn Galbally
Cormac Donnelly Galbally
Matthew McGuigan  Kildress
Adam Connolly  Kildress
Daniel Millar Killeeshil
PT Cunningham Killyclogher
Arnoldac Macidulskas Loughmacrory
Conall Grimes  Loughmacrory
Aodhan Donaghy Loughmacrory
Cathaoir Gallagher  Loughmacrory
Antoin Fox Loughmacrory
Rian McLernon Moortown
Ciaran Breen  Omagh
Damien McGuigan  Omagh
Jude Campbell  Pomeroy
Ruari Gormley  Strabane
Peader Mullin  Tattyreagh
Darragh McQuade Trillick
James Garrity Trillick

Whats our chances in minors this year - good to have two of our lads on it - it has been a few years now.

Loughmacrory well represented - must have good minors and No one from Cookstown/Coalisland/Clonoe - they use to always have players involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on February 15, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
There's a bit of hope and expectation with this years minors, they won the Ulster U17 equivalent last year. From what I hear the best two Ulster minor teams are Tyrone/Derry and they meet first game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on February 15, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Only 2 players from junior clubs from what I can see? Seems a bit light.  Don't know enough about the talent in div 3 to comment on individual players but you wonder was enough effort put into looking at the lower leagues. Clubs potentially less willing to loose young players in lower leagues than senior clubs who have the strength in depth to cope.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on February 15, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Tyrone Minor Panel 2017

Darragh Canavan Errigal Ciaran


This lad must feel the pressure the odd time...

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 15, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Tyrone Minor Panel 2017

Darragh Canavan Errigal Ciaran


This lad must feel the pressure the odd time...

Who's he?  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on February 15, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 12, 2017, 11:50:05 PM
Watched highlights there and have to say that was a really decent showing for this time of year. OK the blanket defence can be hard to watch but the individual performance of young Sudden was a joy to watch. I watched him a few years back playing sweeper for st Marys in Sigerson and he was deadly but he came of age on Saturday night.

Sludden's performance was up there with the best Harte and Donnelly have ever produced. There was a moment in the second half when he was the only attacker in the Dublin half and was prepared to take them all on.

If Tyrone had a 90%er from play then they'd have been out of sight at half time. Scoring is a problem. Hard to know if McAliskey would have made a big difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 15, 2017, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 15, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Tyrone Minor Panel 2017

Darragh Canavan Errigal Ciaran


This lad must feel the pressure the odd time...

Who's he?  ;D

Son of God 😀
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 15, 2017, 08:40:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 12, 2017, 11:50:05 PM
Watched highlights there and have to say that was a really decent showing for this time of year. OK the blanket defence can be hard to watch but the individual performance of young Sudden was a joy to watch. I watched him a few years back playing sweeper for st Marys in Sigerson and he was deadly but he came of age on Saturday night.

Sludden's performance was up there with the best Harte and Donnelly have ever produced. There was a moment in the second half when he was the only attacker in the Dublin half and was prepared to take them all on.

If Tyrone had a 90%er from play then they'd have been out of sight at half time. Scoring is a problem. Hard to know if McAliskey would have made a big difference.

His second point was unreal, his speed whilst soloing past the 5/6 Dubs was phenomenal. Also, his pointed effort that was disallowed by hawkeyemail would have been an absolute corker too. I really hope we get a HF line of Sludden, Matty and Petey come summertime.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 15, 2017, 09:33:41 PM
mattie donnelly too important a player to remain a peripheral figure on the edge of the square. i rest my case mickey is it you or is it  donkey. maybe if we played a player who would command a top defender to mark him like mattie we might get somewhere. likewise we might stop the lateral shite and the 4 sweepers to bolster mccarron mcnamee and mccrory. niall sludden runs straight at defenders thats why he is profiting. mcshane needs to start doing it bradley/oneill cant. you all deride me for lee brennan but heres the punch. a lee brennan would have beat mayo last year.if tyrone would commit men forward win the frees that their diving should hed have kicked them all day long.  mattie donnelly at ff  would neccesitate direct ball. but no we get pedalled sweepers and wee forwards win shite all with that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 15, 2017, 09:43:19 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 15, 2017, 09:33:41 PM
mattie donnelly too important a player to remain a peripheral figure on the edge of the square. i rest my case mickey is it you or is it  donkey. maybe if we played a player who would command a top defender to mark him like mattie we might get somewhere. likewise we might stop the lateral shite and the 4 sweepers to bolster mccarron mcnamee and mccrory. niall sludden runs straight at defenders thats why he is profiting. mcshane needs to start doing it bradley/oneill cant. you all deride me for lee brennan but heres the punch. a lee brennan would have beat mayo last year.if tyrone would commit men forward win the frees that their diving should hed have kicked them all day long.  mattie donnelly at ff  would neccesitate direct ball. but no we get pedalled sweepers and wee forwards win shite all with that.

When ronan O'Neill didn't get on you built him up to be the saviour and all he needed was games. Now he's on your saying he can't do it and have moved on to lee Brennan. That's why critics like you can't lose. It's easy when not picking the team to pick out someone not on who would make the difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 15, 2017, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 15, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Tyrone Minor Panel 2017

Darragh Canavan Errigal Ciaran


This lad must feel the pressure the odd time...

Seen him play. f**k but he is a chip of the old block. Same style of running and jinking past defenders. I think he's underage next year. Class act
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 15, 2017, 10:18:44 PM
ive never said ronan o neill couldnt do it ive just pointed out something he cant do. there is a difference. ronan oneill mccurry and bradley are much of a muchness. we have carried a goalkeeper for 4 years to hit frees why not carry a forward instead and a damn good one at that. or is that being too positive. im not critical im trying to be constructive. is this not a debating forum. as usual when someone dares suggest something that annoys the permanently offended mickeymen then your anti tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on February 15, 2017, 11:29:06 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 15, 2017, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 15, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Tyrone Minor Panel 2017

Darragh Canavan Errigal Ciaran


This lad must feel the pressure the odd time...

Seen him play. f**k but he is a chip of the old block. Same style of running and jinking past defenders. I think he's underage next year. Class act

Aye but can he hurl for Killyclogher?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 16, 2017, 12:42:43 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Tyrone Minor Panel 2017

February 14th, 2017
Ronan Cassidy  Ardboe
Conall Devlin Ardboe
Oran McKee Carrickmore
Paddy McElduff Carrickmore
Lorcan Quinn Donaghmore
Cahir Goodwin Dromore
Oran Rafferty Dromore
Oran Sludden Dromore
Oran Mallon  Dungannon
Brian McNulty  Dungannon
James Morgan  Dungannon
Ethan Jordan Eglish
Peter Og McCartan Errigal Ciaran
Darragh Canavan Errigal Ciaran
Conor Quinn Galbally
Cormac Donnelly Galbally
Matthew McGuigan  Kildress
Adam Connolly  Kildress
Daniel Millar Killeeshil
PT Cunningham Killyclogher
Arnoldac Macidulskas Loughmacrory
Conall Grimes  Loughmacrory
Aodhan Donaghy Loughmacrory
Cathaoir Gallagher  Loughmacrory
Antoin Fox Loughmacrory
Rian McLernon Moortown
Ciaran Breen  Omagh
Damien McGuigan  Omagh
Jude Campbell  Pomeroy
Ruari Gormley  Strabane
Peader Mullin  Tattyreagh
Darragh McQuade Trillick
James Garrity Trillick

Whats our chances in minors this year - good to have two of our lads on it - it has been a few years now.

Loughmacrory well represented - must have good minors and No one from Cookstown/Coalisland/Clonoe - they use to always have players involved.

Is Darragh Canavan Peters young lad? If you haven't seen this fella in action lads then you're in for a treat. Unreal talent!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 16, 2017, 12:48:12 AM
Anyone got the official u21 panel? I've seen them play twice but I don't see a squad released by county board. Strange that minor squad is released first
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 16, 2017, 07:36:43 AM
The second coming
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 16, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 15, 2017, 10:18:44 PM
ive never said ronan o neill couldnt do it ive just pointed out something he cant do. there is a difference. ronan oneill mccurry and bradley are much of a muchness. we have carried a goalkeeper for 4 years to hit frees why not carry a forward instead and a damn good one at that. or is that being too positive. im not critical im trying to be constructive. is this not a debating forum. as usual when someone dares suggest something that annoys the permanently offended mickeymen then your anti tyrone.

ronan oneill mccurry bradley and Lee Brennan are much of a muchness
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 16, 2017, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 15, 2017, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 15, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 15, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Tyrone Minor Panel 2017

Darragh Canavan Errigal Ciaran


This lad must feel the pressure the odd time...

Seen him play. f**k but he is a chip of the old block. Same style of running and jinking past defenders. I think he's underage next year. Class act

WUncanny how similar his style is, there is a video on vimeo from a few years back where he scores a few points and so similar in style to his da.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 16, 2017, 11:13:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2017, 11:38:24 PM
I think the biggest question is "Can he defend?"

Followed by "is he a baldy?"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on February 16, 2017, 05:30:38 PM
Why do people pick Morgan ahead of o Neill in their best 15?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 16, 2017, 05:52:33 PM
In my opinion Morgan is the better goalkeeper of the 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 17, 2017, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on February 16, 2017, 05:30:38 PM
Why do people pick Morgan ahead of o Neill in their best 15?

Because Morgan is a much better keeper.

Look at O'Neill's bombscare show against Cavan last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 18, 2017, 12:36:57 PM
And what about Morgan's two years ago V Kerry in the semis in Croker.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 18, 2017, 12:36:57 PM
And what about Morgan's two years ago V Kerry in the semis in Croker.

I don't recall too many goalkeeping mistakes in Morgan. He's a better shot stopper than O'Neill, he's more commanding under the high ball than O'Neill, his kickouts are better. Much of the criticism with Morgan is because he's missed a fair few pressure fees in big games. That does not impact on his ability as a goalkeeper though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 18, 2017, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 18, 2017, 12:36:57 PM
And what about Morgan's two years ago V Kerry in the semis in Croker.

I don't recall too many goalkeeping mistakes in Morgan. He's a better shot stopper than O'Neill, he's more commanding under the high ball than O'Neill, his kickouts are better. Much of the criticism with Morgan is because he's missed a fair few pressure fees in big games. That does not impact on his ability as a goalkeeper though.

He gave Kerry several scores that day from those "better" kick outs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 18, 2017, 04:29:32 PM
How good was meyler there, poised for a big year. Super player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on February 18, 2017, 09:03:49 PM
More commanding than o Neill in the air? Seriously? Put a ball up between the two see who comes up with it. Better shot stopper? I don't think o Neill can be blamed for last year v Cavan that was a defensive nightmare for at least 2 of those goals. Morgan is deemed a better place kicker but I can remember several occasions where Morgan gifted teams scored with his kick outs i.e. Kerry two years ago Donegal few years ago mayo last year. I think o Neill is the better keeper but not by much. Either or really doesn't annoy me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on February 18, 2017, 09:03:49 PM
More commanding than o Neill in the air? Seriously? Put a ball up between the two see who comes up with it. Better shot stopper? I don't think o Neill can be blamed for last year v Cavan that was a defensive nightmare for at least 2 of those goals. Morgan is deemed a better place kicker but I can remember several occasions where Morgan gifted teams scored with his kick outs i.e. Kerry two years ago Donegal few years ago mayo last year. I think o Neill is the better keeper but not by much. Either or really doesn't annoy me

Did you even see O'Neill last season against Cavan? Everytime a ball came into the square he was flapping, Morgan is on a different level when it comes to dealing with balls in the square. 100% I would back Morgan every single time when it comes to dealing with a high ball into the square over O'Neill.

I think Morgan is a far better keeper, I think it's backed up by the fact we don't seem to concede goals when Morgan is in goal and we do when O'Neill is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 18, 2017, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 18, 2017, 12:36:57 PM
And what about Morgan's two years ago V Kerry in the semis in Croker.

I don't recall too many goalkeeping mistakes in Morgan. He's a better shot stopper than O'Neill, he's more commanding under the high ball than O'Neill, his kickouts are better. Much of the criticism with Morgan is because he's missed a fair few pressure fees in big games. That does not impact on his ability as a goalkeeper though.

He gave Kerry several scores that day from those "better" kick outs

We also got a few scores from them as well. I can recall him hitting a kickout 60 yards to Meyler who tapped it down to McAliskey on the run who scored an excellent effort.

When you see Cluxton having a meltdown with Kerry last year, coughing up 2 goals in a few minutes Hennelly constantly costing Mayo, Paul Durcan throwing an All Ireland for Donegal in 2012. I think we've been quite well served by Morgan in the past few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 19, 2017, 01:00:56 AM
Great day for Tyrone football. Ranch win Sigerson and led by key Tyrone men. Managed by Paddy Tally too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 19, 2017, 03:22:37 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
For me Myler has done nothing this past 2 years for club or county to warrant a start.

I had to go looking for this at this time of the morning. seanmc123 from Dromore, football isn't really your thing is it ?

Why does your profile say club ... omagh ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 19, 2017, 03:30:19 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on January 27, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
Oh and InHiding you know fuckkkkkk alllll about football hossssss

lol join the club
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 19, 2017, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 18, 2017, 04:29:32 PM
How good was meyler there, poised for a big year. Super player

How many games has he played in the last couple of weeks? Anybody list them? Some shift!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 19, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 19, 2017, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 18, 2017, 04:29:32 PM
How good was meyler there, poised for a big year. Super player

How many games has he played in the last couple of weeks? Anybody list them? Some shift!!!

I think in Meylers case the more games the better! He was outstanding yesterday. McGeary as well I thought was very good. I'd like to see him get a few outings in the NFL he is a class act. I think he is definitely a Mickey Harte kind of player could play anywhere from 5-12.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 19, 2017, 10:00:24 PM
Only small issue with Meyler is his odd rush of blood to the head with the county. Understandable considering his age and inexperience at this stage.

Noticeable how he really led from the front yesterday being team captain and pulled Mary's over the line. Hopefully he gets a good run with the county over the rest of the year. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 19, 2017, 10:19:16 PM
I know the difference between 5-12 are very subtle these days but I think Meyler would be better utilised as a wing back, breaking forward from deeper. He has some engine on him, he was absolutely everywhere yesterday.

A middle 8 of this would be quite formidable:

McCann----------Justy-------------Meyler

----------Cavanagh----McClure

Donnelly----------Sludden------------Harte

6 is a spot which is very much up for grabs. I think we have plenty of options here, I like Justy in this side as he is our best defender in dealing with aerial bombardments and he brings great fight to the side and I think this rubs off positively to the rest of the side. He'll also be more inclined to sit and protect the middle which I like as we have enough lads who will break at pace. Brennan and Burns I think are two other great options for 6. I'd like to see Burns get some time there during the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 12:09:56 AM
Result from earlier today.
Kildare (u21) 2-11
Tyrone (u21) 0-14

Long spin to Kildare for a challenge game but probably seemed worth it as Kildare are favourites for Leinster. Good test all the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 12:09:56 AM
Result from earlier today.
Kildare (u21) 2-11
Tyrone (u21) 0-14

Long spin to Kildare for a challenge game but probably seemed worth it as Kildare are favourites for Leinster. Good test all the same.

what was the team? who played well?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 20, 2017, 01:00:44 PM
What's the story with McNabb this year? Is he injured or being rested or what?
Usually he's very consistent in our half back line and seemed to be over his injury nightmare last year.
There are so many  players fighting for places in that half back line with McCann, Justy, McNabb, Munroe, R.Brennan, Harte, McGeary and maybe Meyler as well. A few of you are mentioning Burns as well but he hasn't got on any game yet so he must be well down the list for Mickey.

Great confidence boost for the Sigerson winning lads, especially Meyler. I was amazed at a few lads on here questioning him this year but hopefully he'll be one of our better players in the years ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on February 20, 2017, 01:24:49 PM
Meyler isn't the greatest player you'll see in a Tyrone jersey but the lad has some balls coupled with a ferocious work rate and a Rolls Royce of an engine.

I wouldn't be that enamoured with some of his antics, like the roaring in boys faces we saw him doing on Saturday, but hopefully someone can address that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SG08 on February 20, 2017, 02:24:08 PM
What team would everyone like to see line out against Cavan (Not what they think Micky will pick)
Personally I would go for:

1. Morgan
2. Hamspsey
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5.  T.McCann
6. P.Harte
7. Monroe
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Mattie
10. McClure
11. Sludden
12. K.McGeary
13. McCurry
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Brennan (Bradley if not suspended)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 20, 2017, 03:04:57 PM
O'Neill (rotation to continue)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
Meyler
Justy
McCann
C Cavanagh
McClure
Petey
Sludden
Matty
Brennan
S Cavanagh
McCurry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 20, 2017, 03:25:30 PM
glad to see conor lift sigerson great reward for the work he has put in. also great to see paddy tally finally get his just rewards. always felt he was hasrshly dealt with by mickey when he started to get a bit of credit. im sure any future management set up in tyrone must have tally top of the wishlist when mickey goes. incredible achievement not to many tyrone men have got the better of a dublin set up in the last 7 or 8 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 20, 2017, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 20, 2017, 03:25:30 PM
glad to see conor lift sigerson great reward for the work he has put in. also great to see paddy tally finally get his just rewards. always felt he was hasrshly dealt with by mickey when he started to get a bit of credit. im sure any future management set up in tyrone must have tally top of the wishlist when mickey goes. incredible achievement not to many tyrone men have got the better of a dublin set up in the last 7 or 8 years.
100%
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on February 20, 2017, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 20, 2017, 03:04:57 PM
O'Neill (rotation to continue)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
Meyler
Justy
McCann
C Cavanagh
McClure
Petey
Sludden
Matty
Brennan
S Cavanagh
McCurry
I'd go with that but have Rory Brennan in & drop McCurry - we should move away from the thinking of having the 2 nippy corner-forwards - there's no point as they don't score heavily anymore
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on February 20, 2017, 04:28:38 PM
From watching the games and based of the back of the sigerson i would like to see this team against Cavan.
However Harte could pick anyone, and i wouldnt begrudge Munroe, McGeary or someone like that getting a chance but he is also liable revert to type and have McCrory and Justy in there.
1. O'Neill (rotation)
2. Hampsey
3. McNammee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. R Brennan
7. Meyler
8. Colly Cav
9. Mcclure
10. Mattie
11. Sludden
12. Peter Harte
13. McCurry
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McShane
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 20, 2017, 09:46:18 PM
Maybe give The St Marys lads the week off, give someone else game time!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 20, 2017, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on February 20, 2017, 04:28:38 PM
From watching the games and based of the back of the sigerson i would like to see this team against Cavan.
However Harte could pick anyone, and i wouldnt begrudge Munroe, McGeary or someone like that getting a chance but he is also liable revert to type and have McCrory and Justy in there.
1. O'Neill (rotation)
2. Hampsey
3. McNammee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. R Brennan
7. Meyler
8. Colly Cav
9. Mcclure
10. Mattie
11. Sludden
12. Peter Harte
13. McCurry
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McShane
Like that team. Now we have a forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 12:09:56 AM
Result from earlier today.
Kildare (u21) 2-11
Tyrone (u21) 0-14

Long spin to Kildare for a challenge game but probably seemed worth it as Kildare are favourites for Leinster. Good test all the same.

what was the team? who played well?

Jody McGlone and Mick McKernan were good in half back line. Fergal Meenagh and Conn Kilpatrick at midfield. Key men up front were David Mulgrew and Lee Brennan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 10:58:58 PM
Watched back sigerson final there. Conor Myler really was unreal from left half back. Going to be massive for us this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 20, 2017, 11:04:01 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 12:09:56 AM
Result from earlier today.
Kildare (u21) 2-11
Tyrone (u21) 0-14

Long spin to Kildare for a challenge game but probably seemed worth it as Kildare are favourites for Leinster. Good test all the same.

what was the team? who played well?

Jody McGlone and Mick McKernan were good in half back line. Fergal Meenagh and Conn Kilpatrick at midfield. Key men up front were David Mulgrew and Lee Brennan.

Is this Adrian Kilpatrick's son?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on February 20, 2017, 11:17:24 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 10:58:58 PM
Watched back sigerson final there. Conor Myler really was unreal from left half back. Going to be massive for us this year

Is there a link you can share?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 08:26:08 AM
http://www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=5327500174001&teideal=GAA%20Beo&series=GAA%20Beo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on February 21, 2017, 09:36:51 AM
TYRONE Allstar Mattie Donnelly has been given the medical all-clear to face Cavan in the Allianz League Division One this weekend – but his brother Richie faces a two-month lay-off after suffering a fractured bone in his back.
Richie Donnelly has been blighted by injury since last summer. The Trillick man tore his Achilles in Tyrone's Ulster semi-final draw with Cavan in June which ended his campaign with the county team.
The talented wing-forward hasn't featured for Tyrone in 2017 and it looks as though he could be sidelined for the remainder of the Allianz League.
"It's very unlucky for him because he's a dedicated athlete," said Tyrone boss Mickey Harte. "He puts in a lot of hard work and there's nowhere he'd rather be than out on the field with the rest of the team.
"It sounds something like a stress fracture there which he probably didn't recognise at first.
"But it's transpired that is the case and it's something he'll have to tend to before he can get back out on the football field."
There was, however, some good news coming from the Donnelly household as Mattie has recovered from concussion.

Mattie suffered the head injury in the opening minutes of Tyrone's Division One win over Roscommon on February 5 and had to sit out the Dublin game at Croke Park six days later.
"I expect Mattie to be available," confirmed Harte.
"He passed all the medical procedures within seven days but since our game [against Dublin] came short of the seven days we had to hold him back.
"He would have felt well enough to play but it wouldn't have been prudent to ask him to play. So we observed the medical protocol to make sure he was over that and he is now and is available."
The Tyrone medical staff had to take particular care with Mattie's injury as he'd suffered concussion last year.
"Any history of it happening, I suppose, that increases the risk factor...
"Sometimes you have to take decisions out of the hands of the players and if they feel okay to play then they don't see any reason why they shouldn't play. But it's the long-term risk of re-occurrence.
"His health is the most important and football comes a long way after it."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 21, 2017, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 20, 2017, 11:04:01 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 12:09:56 AM
Result from earlier today.
Kildare (u21) 2-11
Tyrone (u21) 0-14

Long spin to Kildare for a challenge game but probably seemed worth it as Kildare are favourites for Leinster. Good test all the same.

what was the team? who played well?

Jody McGlone and Mick McKernan were good in half back line. Fergal Meenagh and Conn Kilpatrick at midfield. Key men up front were David Mulgrew and Lee Brennan.

Is this Adrian Kilpatrick's son?

yes, indeed it is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
How good is this David Mulgrew fella? I saw him for the first time last Sat night against the Dubs and he's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

Is he mainly a wing forward? Who would you compare him to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 21, 2017, 03:04:41 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
How good is this David Mulgrew fella? I saw him for the first time last Sat night against the Dubs and he's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

Is he mainly a wing forward? Who would you compare him to?

I would compare him to Colman Mulgrew. Very similar but better
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 21, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
How good is this David Mulgrew fella? I saw him for the first time last Sat night against the Dubs and he's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

Is he mainly a wing forward? Who would you compare him to?

He's deadly. He makes the u21s tick at centre half forward. He can play anyehere, but wing back or wing forward are probably his best positions. He's exceptionally good on the ball and very athletic. Not unlike Dooher in his hay day, but probably more skillful.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 21, 2017, 10:31:26 PM
It's not like you Fuzzman - asking about a player and not enquiring if he can hit a free from the left hand side!! Mulgrew is a good player may even have another year at u21 as well I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 21, 2017, 10:38:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 21, 2017, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 20, 2017, 11:04:01 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 12:09:56 AM
Result from earlier today.
Kildare (u21) 2-11
Tyrone (u21) 0-14

Long spin to Kildare for a challenge game but probably seemed worth it as Kildare are favourites for Leinster. Good test all the same.

what was the team? who played well?

Jody McGlone and Mick McKernan were good in half back line. Fergal Meenagh and Conn Kilpatrick at midfield. Key men up front were David Mulgrew and Lee Brennan.

Is this Adrian Kilpatrick's son?

yes, indeed it is.

Adrian had loads of ability and was a big unit. Is Conn similar?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 21, 2017, 10:47:20 PM
i seen young mulgrew play for arboe against dromore in champ last year and he looked a real standout. think he scored 3 points.alot of potential there but prob a bit too good a footballer to be wastin his time in the current tyrone setup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 21, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Ritchie Donnelly out for rest of league with a fractured vertebrae. A real pity as I thought he'd make a big impact this year. Hard to see him get much game time come championship considering the wealth of options in the middle 8.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 21, 2017, 11:53:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 21, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Ritchie Donnelly out for rest of league with a fractured vertebrae. A real pity as I thought he'd make a big impact this year. Hard to see him get much game time come championship considering the wealth of options in the middle 8.

A blow for him, did very well last year before injury ruled him out. He's a good man to chip in with a few points as well and kick off both feet so hopefully he can work his way back in but if he can't this year then it bodes well on those with the jersey right now.

Would like to see Conall McCann see some more time this year, from what I've seen with him from club action this year and in Sigerson, he really looks to have kicked on. He's got a nice bit of class about him as a footballer as well as being a big lad who can throw his size about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 21, 2017, 11:54:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 21, 2017, 10:38:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 21, 2017, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 20, 2017, 11:04:01 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 20, 2017, 12:09:56 AM
Result from earlier today.
Kildare (u21) 2-11
Tyrone (u21) 0-14

Long spin to Kildare for a challenge game but probably seemed worth it as Kildare are favourites for Leinster. Good test all the same.

what was the team? who played well?

Jody McGlone and Mick McKernan were good in half back line. Fergal Meenagh and Conn Kilpatrick at midfield. Key men up front were David Mulgrew and Lee Brennan.

Is this Adrian Kilpatrick's son?

yes, indeed it is.

Adrian had loads of ability and was a big unit. Is Conn similar?

He is yeah. Big block of a lad, very powerful and very mobile. Classic modern day midfielder
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 22, 2017, 09:31:53 AM
"Another Dooher but with more skill". Sounds great about Mulgrew and hopefully he develops well and doesn't get any bad injuries to set him back. We seem to have an abundance of half forwards and half backs.
Poor Richie Donnelly seems very injury prone but hopefully he's OK come mid summer.

I've given up asking about free taking square_ball. I noticed McCurry is hitting the 45s this year so far in the league whereas I thought Pete would have been the man for those
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 22, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 21, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
How good is this David Mulgrew fella? I saw him for the first time last Sat night against the Dubs and he's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

Is he mainly a wing forward? Who would you compare him to?

He's deadly. He makes the u21s tick at centre half forward. He can play anyehere, but wing back or wing forward are probably his best positions. He's exceptionally good on the ball and very athletic. Not unlike Dooher in his hay day, but probably more skillful.

right lets get this straight - you say he is deadly (and I do agree) but you also claim his best position is wing back or wing forward but he does not play for the U21's in either of these positions. Surely at this grade his best position is central ie; CHF where he can control and dictate the game. He has filled out and bulked up big time in the last 18 months but the step up to senior will be the acid test and I think he should concentrate on developing as a CHF type player.
I hope he does it, he is a naturally gifted player but we have loads of those type of player who can play anywhere from 5-12 in the wing positions. It is from 13-15 that is our problem.....if he can add scores to his game then he could even secure a place in the FFL.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on February 22, 2017, 04:55:43 PM
Frank Burns bound to be ahead of Mulgrew, but for Pomeroy's run I am sure would have played more. i'd say we will see him get a run of games now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 22, 2017, 10:15:09 PM
What's the view on Ronan McHugh, lads?

Is he simply there to make up the numbers or is he generally capable of pushing the likes of Bradley, O'Neill and McCurry? He seemed to score fairly well during the pre season games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 22, 2017, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 22, 2017, 10:15:09 PM
What's the view on Ronan McHugh, lads?

Is he simply there to make up the numbers or is he generally capable of pushing the likes of Bradley, O'Neill and McCurry? He seemed to score fairly well during the pre season games.

Find it strange him and Ronan McNamee are allowed to play Donegal League football!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 22, 2017, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 22, 2017, 10:15:09 PM
What's the view on Ronan McHugh, lads?

Is he simply there to make up the numbers or is he generally capable of pushing the likes of Bradley, O'Neill and McCurry? He seemed to score fairly well during the pre season games.
Personally don't think he is good enough to push those players. Brennan, Mulgrew be well ahead of him in the pecking order to i would imagine.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 22, 2017, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 22, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 21, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
How good is this David Mulgrew fella? I saw him for the first time last Sat night against the Dubs and he's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

Is he mainly a wing forward? Who would you compare him to?

He's deadly. He makes the u21s tick at centre half forward. He can play anyehere, but wing back or wing forward are probably his best positions. He's exceptionally good on the ball and very athletic. Not unlike Dooher in his hay day, but probably more skillful.

right lets get this straight - you say he is deadly (and I do agree) but you also claim his best position is wing back or wing forward but he does not play for the U21's in either of these positions. Surely at this grade his best position is central ie; CHF where he can control and dictate the game. He has filled out and bulked up big time in the last 18 months but the step up to senior will be the acid test and I think he should concentrate on developing as a CHF type player.
I hope he does it, he is a naturally gifted player but we have loads of those type of player who can play anywhere from 5-12 in the wing positions. It is from 13-15 that is our problem.....if he can add scores to his game then he could even secure a place in the FFL.

He's CHF for u21s cos that's where they need him most. His best position, which is usually judged at senior level, is one if the wing positions where he has space to ball carry. He is an excellent ball carrier, he has pace and balance and can pass and score. A serious prospect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on February 23, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 22, 2017, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 22, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 21, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
How good is this David Mulgrew fella? I saw him for the first time last Sat night against the Dubs and he's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

Is he mainly a wing forward? Who would you compare him to?

He's deadly. He makes the u21s tick at centre half forward. He can play anyehere, but wing back or wing forward are probably his best positions. He's exceptionally good on the ball and very athletic. Not unlike Dooher in his hay day, but probably more skillful.

right lets get this straight - you say he is deadly (and I do agree) but you also claim his best position is wing back or wing forward but he does not play for the U21's in either of these positions. Surely at this grade his best position is central ie; CHF where he can control and dictate the game. He has filled out and bulked up big time in the last 18 months but the step up to senior will be the acid test and I think he should concentrate on developing as a CHF type player.
I hope he does it, he is a naturally gifted player but we have loads of those type of player who can play anywhere from 5-12 in the wing positions. It is from 13-15 that is our problem.....if he can add scores to his game then he could even secure a place in the FFL.

He's CHF for u21s cos that's where they need him most. His best position, which is usually judged at senior level, is one if the wing positions where he has space to ball carry. He is an excellent ball carrier, he has pace and balance and can pass and score. A serious prospect.

This RedHandTom fella is either on this U21 team himself or has a son/relation on it. I have never seen such a Tyrone u21 fanatic in my life.
Hope ye have a good season!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 23, 2017, 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 22, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 21, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
How good is this David Mulgrew fella? I saw him for the first time last Sat night against the Dubs and he's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

Is he mainly a wing forward? Who would you compare him to?

He's deadly. He makes the u21s tick at centre half forward. He can play anyehere, but wing back or wing forward are probably his best positions. He's exceptionally good on the ball and very athletic. Not unlike Dooher in his hay day, but probably more skillful.

right lets get this straight - you say he is deadly (and I do agree) but you also claim his best position is wing back or wing forward but he does not play for the U21's in either of these positions. Surely at this grade his best position is central ie; CHF where he can control and dictate the game. He has filled out and bulked up big time in the last 18 months but the step up to senior will be the acid test and I think he should concentrate on developing as a CHF type player.
I hope he does it, he is a naturally gifted player but we have loads of those type of player who can play anywhere from 5-12 in the wing positions. It is from 13-15 that is our problem.....if he can add scores to his game then he could even secure a place in the FFL.

I think we can agree that the number 11 jersey is nailed down after the last game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 23, 2017, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: EastTyrone on February 23, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 22, 2017, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 22, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 21, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
How good is this David Mulgrew fella? I saw him for the first time last Sat night against the Dubs and he's a lot bigger than I was expecting.

Is he mainly a wing forward? Who would you compare him to?

He's deadly. He makes the u21s tick at centre half forward. He can play anyehere, but wing back or wing forward are probably his best positions. He's exceptionally good on the ball and very athletic. Not unlike Dooher in his hay day, but probably more skillful.

right lets get this straight - you say he is deadly (and I do agree) but you also claim his best position is wing back or wing forward but he does not play for the U21's in either of these positions. Surely at this grade his best position is central ie; CHF where he can control and dictate the game. He has filled out and bulked up big time in the last 18 months but the step up to senior will be the acid test and I think he should concentrate on developing as a CHF type player.
I hope he does it, he is a naturally gifted player but we have loads of those type of player who can play anywhere from 5-12 in the wing positions. It is from 13-15 that is our problem.....if he can add scores to his game then he could even secure a place in the FFL.

He's CHF for u21s cos that's where they need him most. His best position, which is usually judged at senior level, is one if the wing positions where he has space to ball carry. He is an excellent ball carrier, he has pace and balance and can pass and score. A serious prospect.

This RedHandTom fella is either on this U21 team himself or has a son/relation on it. I have never seen such a Tyrone u21 fanatic in my life.
Hope ye have a good season!

think you are definitely right on that. He knows way too much info to not be involved. Nobody knows or hears anything about the U21's then we have RHT giving us friendly results, positional ideas, player updates - he must be heavily involved. the U21's has been very low key until he started to keep us all updated.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 23, 2017, 12:02:20 PM
Yeah Niall Sludden's performances since his championship debut last year have been pretty amazing.
It's interesting that he's 24 now and he looks all of a sudden like one of our best scoring forwards having mainly played as a half back before this year.
He scored 4 points in last years championship but he already has 5 in this years 2 league games.
What has pleased me is his ability to break the line and find space in congested areas and like many have said before it would be nice to have him, Harte and Mattie at half forward getting on the ball as much as possible in shooting areas.

From the Examiner last June before the Cavan game
Tyrone tyro Niall Sludden looks an old hand
He has played just one championship game, but Niall Sludden looks like he's made for the big time.
Bristling with confidence, this is a young man with the perfect temperament for the modern game.

An ice-cool debut against Derry last month heralded the arrival of yet another exceptional Red Hand talent, a player equipped with a fully developed skillset and the versatility of a seasoned campaigner. But it's his confidence and self-belief that set him apart from scores of youngsters who annually take nervous first steps into the world of inter-county football.

Sludden's first appearance at a media briefing at Garvaghey was a masterclass. The 23-year-old, fielding a barrage of questions from the media pack, declared his readiness to take on responsibility and play a central role for Tyrone.

"Over the last few years I haven't really had a steady position. I'm just happy to play anywhere for the team," he said. "But I like slotting in at number six. You feel that you have got extra responsibility. Even though I'm new myself, I'm happy to take on those greater responsibilities."

The Dromore man was a perfect fit in Tyrone's highly organised defensive system as they dismantled the Oak Leaf challenge at Celtic Park.

Feeding off the guidance of experienced players such as sweeper Colm Cavanagh, he quickly settled in to turn in an assured performance.

"It's great for me, especially as a new player coming in there. Colm is a massive leader, and he's always communicating, talking especially to the younger players.

"It's very reassuring to have him there and to call on his experience. But I like to keep him right as well. That's important too, because we're always learning."

Pre-match nerves weren't an issue for a player who repaid the faith of boss Mickey Harte with a performance which earned rave reviews. "It's the place I want to be. It was great. I wasn't nervous that much. I thought I would have been. The way the game went, I slotted in effectively to the team," he said.

"It's very nice, from a personal point of view, to get appreciated, but I'm old enough now to know that football is a very fickle game as well, and I'm very much concentrated on the next game against Cavan, so I just want to perform for that as well, if I get the chance."

Sludden will meet many old adversaries in Sunday's Ulster Championship semi-final at Clones.

As an U21 player, he came up against Cavan during a golden era for the Breffni County, winning four provincial finals in a row, two of them against Tyrone.

"It was two in a row that I lost out, but that's long gone now to be honest. It was tough to take around that time, but you just have to move on. Cavan deserved their wins."

And in his first year in the senior squad, he has faced Cavan twice already in the National League. "We came up against them a few weeks ago, and we know them very well, we know what to expect from them. It's going to be very tough, it's going to be physical and it's going to be a battle, but we like that as well."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 23, 2017, 01:55:07 PM
I have a nephew on the squad actually. Plus I have coached a couple of them in the past. Not a fanatic, just a supporter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 23, 2017, 02:28:37 PM
A bit OTT from Paddy Tally.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=266660

Manager Paddy Tally rates St Mary's stunning Sigerson Cup win as "one of the greatest ever stories in gaelic games".

The Ranch defied the odds last weekend by beating UCC and holders UCD to claim the prestigious third-level silverware for the first time since 1989 and Tally was suitably impressed by what his charges achieved:

"I said to the players after the match, 'You have to understand what you have actually done, what you have achieved. What you achieved here is one of the greatest ever stories in Gaelic games. In terms of team sports, it might be one of the greatest stories ever written'. There is no other way to describe it," he told The Belfast Telegraph.

"You can't really put your finger on what happens in St Mary's. It's unique. The only thing it is akin to is your club team. And in those four years you probably spend more time with the St Mary's lads. You are living with each other, you are spending 10, 11 hours together, so it's an intense friendship. And when they go onto the field, there is a bond that you refuse to lie down.

"All of a sudden we had this bunch of players that I knew were strong and were good. We just had to make sure we got the rest of it right. As the competition went on, the day they beat DCU they realised they could go and win the thing. That was the day that we knew we were good enough to win the Sigerson Cup."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on February 23, 2017, 07:59:45 PM
http://www.newstalk.com/tyrone-footballers-funding-issues

"The communication states that chairwoman Roisin Jordan is insisting upon a £15 contribution from each player towards sports equipment.

We've also learned that there has been an "ongoing battle" with the Tyrone county board over resources, over the timely payment of mileage costs, and other expenses.

"She is insisting that we contribute towards it despite the fact that the county has made a surplus on the accounts for some time," reads the email under the subject heading 'Disgusted Tyrone Senior Footballer'.

"This is not about the £15. It's about month after month of cut after cut," the email continues.

"Roisin Jordan has over the course of the last three years made it her mission to cut spending from the preparation of the county teams. We are told that we need to tighten our belts.

It's becoming impossible to prepare ourselves to win an All-Ireland in a climate of cut, cut cut... When we look at the money spent on the preparation of the county teams we are nowhere near the top spenders."

Tyrone's total income for 2016 was £1.38 million, with the expenditure at £1.23 million - meaning county board spending went down by £17,800 from 2015."

Looks like all is not well within the Tyrone camp and a mutiny in brewing..... are they right or are they taking too much notice of the pampered lifestyle of professional footballers? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 23, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Wow!!

1. Not a panel statement , wonder what his teammates and harte will feel about it?
2. Jordan is finished. No way back from this for her. Relations with club tyrone will be graded
Reflects poorly on the county, the true cost of garvaghy ? Lots to ponder
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 23, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Fair play to her, keeping a rein on the purse strings. That's part of her job u twats. Just cause other counties are spending foolishly doesn't mean we have to as well. Who ever send that email needs a good kicking. The players will be fuming as will Harte, ure right there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 23, 2017, 09:52:57 PM
Shocked by this to be honest. A player sending an email like that doesn't reflect well no matter what the issue. The GPA met with the senior squad a few weeks ago telling them what they were "entitled" to with regard to expenses and gear. This could be an outcome of that meeting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 23, 2017, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 23, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Wow!!

1. Not a panel statement , wonder what his teammates and harte will feel about it?
2. Jordan is finished. No way back from this for her. Relations with club tyrone will be graded
Reflects poorly on the county, the true cost of garvaghy ? Lots to ponder

Tyrone spent £412,000 on County Teams last year. You're saying that she's finished because she suggested they contribute just £15 towards all of the kit, physio, food etc. that they receive?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 23, 2017, 10:20:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 23, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Fair play to her, keeping a rein on the purse strings. That's part of her job u t**ts. Just cause other counties are spending foolishly doesn't mean we have to as well. Who ever send that email needs a good kicking. The players will be fuming as will Harte, ure right there.

unless it was Harte...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 23, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
Cannot believe sacrifices players make, been asked to contribute for equiptment april fool me thinks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 23, 2017, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 23, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
Cannot believe sacrifices players make, been asked to contribute for equiptment april fool me thinks.

if they don't like the 'sacrifices' the door swings both ways...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 23, 2017, 10:53:49 PM
i smell a rat here. everyone knows jordan is not a fan of harte. this looks designed to paint her in a very bad light. and mickey currently in his last contracted year, hmm......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 23, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 23, 2017, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 23, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Wow!!

1. Not a panel statement , wonder what his teammates and harte will feel about it?
2. Jordan is finished. No way back from this for her. Relations with club tyrone will be graded
Reflects poorly on the county, the true cost of garvaghy ? Lots to ponder

Tyrone spent £412,000 on County Teams last year. You're saying that she's finished because she suggested they contribute just £15 towards all of the kit, physio, food etc. that they receive?

Doesn't seem to happen in other counties who spend about triple what Tyrone spend on their teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 23, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 23, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 23, 2017, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 23, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Wow!!

1. Not a panel statement , wonder what his teammates and harte will feel about it?
2. Jordan is finished. No way back from this for her. Relations with club tyrone will be graded
Reflects poorly on the county, the true cost of garvaghy ? Lots to ponder

Tyrone spent £412,000 on County Teams last year. You're saying that she's finished because she suggested they contribute just £15 towards all of the kit, physio, food etc. that they receive?

Doesn't seem to happen in other counties who spend about triple what Tyrone spend on their teams.

I would almost guarantee that she didn't ask them to pay any money. Seems suspicious that an anonymous Tyrone player would send an email to a Dublin based radio station. I hadn't heard of Newstalk before this so it's seems odd that a Tyrone player would contact them when trying to spread this message.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 24, 2017, 12:04:54 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 23, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 23, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 23, 2017, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 23, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Wow!!

1. Not a panel statement , wonder what his teammates and harte will feel about it?
2. Jordan is finished. No way back from this for her. Relations with club tyrone will be graded
Reflects poorly on the county, the true cost of garvaghy ? Lots to ponder

Tyrone spent £412,000 on County Teams last year. You're saying that she's finished because she suggested they contribute just £15 towards all of the kit, physio, food etc. that they receive?

Doesn't seem to happen in other counties who spend about triple what Tyrone spend on their teams.

I would almost guarantee that she didn't ask them to pay any money. Seems suspicious that an anonymous Tyrone player would send an email to a Dublin based radio station. I hadn't heard of Newstalk before this so it's seems odd that a Tyrone player would contact them when trying to spread this message.

You think it's fake news?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 24, 2017, 12:06:06 AM
Dissapointed by this selection, no opportunities for Burns, McGeary etc.

1 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
10 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
14 – Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh

16 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
17 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
18 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
19 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
20 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair
22 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
23 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 – Ronan McHugh –  Achadh Uí Aráin
25 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
26 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór
27 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas
28 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
29 – Harry Loughran – An Mhaigh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 24, 2017, 12:08:09 AM
some scores will come from them wing half backs though.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 24, 2017, 05:52:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 24, 2017, 12:08:09 AM
some scores will come from them wing half backs though.lol

Just out of interest, who scored the goal v Dublin?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on February 24, 2017, 07:42:32 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 23, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 23, 2017, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 23, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Wow!!

1. Not a panel statement , wonder what his teammates and harte will feel about it?
2. Jordan is finished. No way back from this for her. Relations with club tyrone will be graded
Reflects poorly on the county, the true cost of garvaghy ? Lots to ponder

Tyrone spent £412,000 on County Teams last year. You're saying that she's finished because she suggested they contribute just £15 towards all of the kit, physio, food etc. that they receive?

Doesn't seem to happen in other counties who spend about triple what Tyrone spend on their teams.

Tyrone spent almost 200,000 on coaching in a volunteer organisation....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on February 24, 2017, 07:48:04 AM
To ask a team for £450 , would buy 9 size 5 footballs
I am sure tyrone gaa would hardly miss it with the income generated by club tyrone.  A complete insult to the players !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on February 24, 2017, 08:04:39 AM
Quote from: delgany on February 24, 2017, 07:48:04 AM
To ask a team for £450 , would buy 9 size 5 footballs
I am sure tyrone gaa would hardly miss it with the income generated by club tyrone.  A complete insult to the players !


I agree, i dont believe it happened to be honest...from what i hear there is under lying problem with team expenses for 2/3 years now....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on February 24, 2017, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 23, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Fair play to her, keeping a rein on the purse strings. That's part of her job u t**ts. Just cause other counties are spending foolishly doesn't mean we have to as well. Who ever send that email needs a good kicking. The players will be fuming as will Harte, ure right there.

Fair play to her? Really? Ask the Galbally club what they think of her. She sided with the Ulster council in hiding the fact that the Galbally lad was innocent of giving the Donegal player stick about his deceased father. Just to keep Donegal happy. She should have got the road then. U21
Management reappointment, Harte reapportionment... she's not up to it 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on February 24, 2017, 08:28:15 AM
Tyrone UNDERAGE players have been paying in a similar way to the seniors seem to now have been asked for years now - FACT !!!!

So where is all this big money going  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on February 24, 2017, 08:30:39 AM
Quote from: Bring back club football on February 24, 2017, 08:28:15 AM
Tyrone UNDERAGE players have been paying in a similar way to the seniors seem to now have been asked for years now - FACT !!!!

So where is all this big money going  :o

Now we might be getting somewhere... Bear in mind all coaching is done in Garvaghy....Not visiting schools or clubs..... Harte Benny and wee Peter are not cheap....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 24, 2017, 09:42:28 AM
Lads seriously its a volunteer organisation. If you think you can do better stop choking the chicken online and get involved. Tyrone look after the finances well and its not just about the current team its about the future.

County board are not great but we voted them in! They will make mistakes.

Regarding the story I don't know if its true or not as there should be enough money to finance sports equipment. But if its something ridiculous the players are looking for themselves in addition then they may have been charged. County board I suppose have to explain the rationale behind spending tyrone supporters money.

Sports equipment could be anything? Loreal gel for mc cann and mc currys hair to keep it in place during games?

Player should not have done this either as a) he will get nothing from it apart from possibly the boot and b) it causes unnecessary disruption to the team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on February 24, 2017, 10:47:09 AM
I heard the tyrone players were asked to pay £15 a month direct debit into paul rouse's bank account.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on February 24, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Napper on February 24, 2017, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 23, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Fair play to her, keeping a rein on the purse strings. That's part of her job u t**ts. Just cause other counties are spending foolishly doesn't mean we have to as well. Who ever send that email needs a good kicking. The players will be fuming as will Harte, ure right there.

Fair play to her? Really? Ask the Galbally club what they think of her. She sided with the Ulster council in hiding the fact that the Galbally lad was innocent of giving the Donegal player stick about his deceased father. Just to keep Donegal happy. She should have got the road then. U21
Management reappointment, Harte reapportionment... she's not up to it

I heard from the start the lad hadn't said anything to the donegal player regards the passing of his father (something I always thought would be a strange thing to hear about or find out about) but I always wondered why I hadn't heard much in terms of an apology to tyrone or the Galbally lad.  Therefore if what you are saying is true it's absolutely ridiculous and disgraceful on her part.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on February 24, 2017, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on February 24, 2017, 08:30:39 AM
Quote from: Bring back club football on February 24, 2017, 08:28:15 AM
Tyrone UNDERAGE players have been paying in a similar way to the seniors seem to now have been asked for years now - FACT !!!!

So where is all this big money going  :o

Now we might be getting somewhere... Bear in mind all coaching is done in Garvaghy....Not visiting schools or clubs..... Harte Benny and wee Peter are not cheap....

Surely this isn't surprising, there are men lining their pockets round different clubs every year, why would county be any different?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on February 24, 2017, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 24, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Napper on February 24, 2017, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 23, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Fair play to her, keeping a rein on the purse strings. That's part of her job u t**ts. Just cause other counties are spending foolishly doesn't mean we have to as well. Who ever send that email needs a good kicking. The players will be fuming as will Harte, ure right there.

Fair play to her? Really? Ask the Galbally club what they think of her. She sided with the Ulster council in hiding the fact that the Galbally lad was innocent of giving the Donegal player stick about his deceased father. Just to keep Donegal happy. She should have got the road then. U21
Management reappointment, Harte reapportionment... she's not up to it

I heard from the start the lad hadn't said anything to the donegal player regards the passing of his father (something I always thought would be a strange thing to hear about or find out about) but I always wondered why I hadn't heard much in terms of an apology to tyrone or the Galbally lad.  Therefore if what you are saying is true it's absolutely ridiculous and disgraceful on her part.....

Say nothing and it will go away. A behind the doors carve up which Roisin Jordan agreed to but didn't let Galbally know or the lad at the centre of the allegations. That's why Galbally were so unhappy. Rotten action. If the news hadn't of got out the Galbally lad would still have it hanging over his head.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 24, 2017, 05:26:26 PM
Everyone needs to calm down - I have a solution:

LAST MAN STANDING

Everyones at it and all they would have to do is sell two each and they would be more than covered or are Big Sean and the boys to good to go out and sell LMS????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 24, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: Napper on February 24, 2017, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 24, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Napper on February 24, 2017, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 23, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Fair play to her, keeping a rein on the purse strings. That's part of her job u t**ts. Just cause other counties are spending foolishly doesn't mean we have to as well. Who ever send that email needs a good kicking. The players will be fuming as will Harte, ure right there.

Fair play to her? Really? Ask the Galbally club what they think of her. She sided with the Ulster council in hiding the fact that the Galbally lad was innocent of giving the Donegal player stick about his deceased father. Just to keep Donegal happy. She should have got the road then. U21
Management reappointment, Harte reapportionment... she's not up to it

I heard from the start the lad hadn't said anything to the donegal player regards the passing of his father (something I always thought would be a strange thing to hear about or find out about) but I always wondered why I hadn't heard much in terms of an apology to tyrone or the Galbally lad.  Therefore if what you are saying is true it's absolutely ridiculous and disgraceful on her part.....

Say nothing and it will go away. A behind the doors carve up which Roisin Jordan agreed to but didn't let Galbally know or the lad at the centre of the allegations. That's why Galbally were so unhappy. Rotten action. If the news hadn't of got out the Galbally lad would still have it hanging over his head.

Your talking shite now napper. Shit stirrer is all you are
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 24, 2017, 06:19:13 PM
Half time draw would be a good fundraiser.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 24, 2017, 07:17:00 PM
Obviously I'm not in possession of what exactly has gone on but I would be of the view that no player should be out of pocket for playing for his county. It is Roisin Jordan and the county board's job to ensure that the expenses are covered. Tyrone's expenses (latest figures i could find in 2015 http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html) were less than Down, Monaghan, Donegal, Derry, Armagh and 21 other counties, so the players aren't taking the piss. If the county board of a county as large as Tyrone can't source the finances to cover this, without charging the players (which is the lazy, can't be arsed to think of another way, option) then Roisin needs to take a look at her own ability to do her job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 24, 2017, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 24, 2017, 05:52:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 24, 2017, 12:08:09 AM
some scores will come from them wing half backs though.lol

Just out of interest, who scored the goal v Dublin?
sure lets get mc crory to take all frees and 45s. problem solved. wise up man. on another note maybe tyrone dont have the finances people think they have? attendances at games have fell through the floor, sponsorship also not worth close to what it used to be. millions pumped into garvaghy. prob fair that we watch our finances but players should never, ever have to pay for training equipment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 24, 2017, 08:08:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 24, 2017, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 24, 2017, 05:52:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 24, 2017, 12:08:09 AM
some scores will come from them wing half backs though.lol

Just out of interest, who scored the goal v Dublin?
sure lets get mc crory to take all frees and 45s. problem solved. wise up man. on another note maybe tyrone dont have the finances people think they have? attendances at games have fell through the floor, sponsorship also not worth close to what it used to be. millions pumped into garvaghy. prob fair that we watch our finances but players should never, ever have to pay for training equipment.

You'll be putting a big bet on Cavan on Sunday I assume with your man Mattie in charge? With him being such a brilliant manager and Harte not having a clue it should be easy money. Looking forward to seeing this attacking football from Cavan that Mattie will bring to Tyrone next.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 24, 2017, 09:40:03 PM
garvaghey is the problem here it cant pay for itself. wheres the true cost figures its all a bit hush hush. garvaghey needs a bigger percentage of overall income. will mickey take a pay cut if hes given a further contract? if only tyrone had beaten dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 25, 2017, 10:33:33 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 24, 2017, 11:43:56 PM
I remember at one stage last year, it was reported on this board that a bus was taking students from Belfast up and down to Garvaghey for Tyrone senior men & ladies training. The bus took them back to Belfast the same night but the ladies had to wait on the bus while the lads went in and got their dinner after training. I don't remember such an outrage.

Our association and players have lost the run of themselves completely.

Ladies football is played in front of a handful of people.

It requires nowhere near the levels of commitment and dedication of senior intercounty football.

I wonder do ladies teams at club level get as well looked after as their male counterparts. Highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on February 25, 2017, 10:39:01 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 24, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: Napper on February 24, 2017, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 24, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Napper on February 24, 2017, 08:11:33 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 23, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Fair play to her, keeping a rein on the purse strings. That's part of her job u t**ts. Just cause other counties are spending foolishly doesn't mean we have to as well. Who ever send that email needs a good kicking. The players will be fuming as will Harte, ure right there.

Fair play to her? Really? Ask the Galbally club what they think of her. She sided with the Ulster council in hiding the fact that the Galbally lad was innocent of giving the Donegal player stick about his deceased father. Just to keep Donegal happy. She should have got the road then. U21
Management reappointment, Harte reapportionment... she's not up to it

I heard from the start the lad hadn't said anything to the donegal player regards the passing of his father (something I always thought would be a strange thing to hear about or find out about) but I always wondered why I hadn't heard much in terms of an apology to tyrone or the Galbally lad.  Therefore if what you are saying is true it's absolutely ridiculous and disgraceful on her part.....

Say nothing and it will go away. A behind the doors carve up which Roisin Jordan agreed to but didn't let Galbally know or the lad at the centre of the allegations. That's why Galbally were so unhappy. Rotten action. If the news hadn't of got out the Galbally lad would still have it hanging over his head.

Your talking shite now napper. Shit stirrer is all you are

It's 100% true that when further information leaked out around that handlin that the Galbally club was quite rightly rippin and so much so they asked for emergency county board meeting. Tyrone threw all the people implicated under the bus on that one. Disgraceful.

Quote from: BennyHarp on February 24, 2017, 07:17:00 PM
Obviously I'm not in possession of what exactly has gone on but I would be of the view that no player should be out of pocket for playing for his county. It is Roisin Jordan and the county board's job to ensure that the expenses are covered. Tyrone's expenses (latest figures i could find in 2015 http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html) were less than Down, Monaghan, Donegal, Derry, Armagh and 21 other counties, so the players aren't taking the piss. If the county board of a county as large as Tyrone can't source the finances to cover this, without charging the players (which is the lazy, can't be arsed to think of another way, option) then Roisin needs to take a look at her own ability to do her job.

In a previous post I stated it's a fact that underage players have had to pay for things in the past while representing Tyrone. That is 100% fact. I don't need a lecture on the volunteer ethos - I've been a volunteer in my club for all my life and am not of the opinion that money should be thrown at our county players but what really goes on behind the scenes up in Garvaghey is far removed from what the majority think.

Quote from: ose 14 on February 24, 2017, 09:40:03 PM
garvaghey is the problem here it cant pay for itself. wheres the true cost figures its all a bit hush hush. garvaghey needs a bigger percentage of overall income. will mickey take a pay cut if hes given a further contract? if only tyrone had beaten dublin.

Now your talkin !!

And it'll get far worse when they build this new bit to make up for the complete balls up made the first time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 25, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
The media coverage over the last few days is embarressing. I don't think its going to end here either. The bit Im struggling with is, would a senior player really write to a radio station?? I have my doubts and would be suspicious about the whole thing.

As for our county boards handling of the sledging allegation with Donegal. Horrible stuff. We basically accepted a sweep it under the carpet solution by the ulster council which means most neutrals still believe it happened, or no smoke without fire, as it was put to me on a few occasions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
RHTOM, what is ur suspicion? do you think a tyrone senior player actually sent this email?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 25, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
RHTOM, what is ur suspicion? do you think a tyrone senior player actually sent this email?

I've nothing to base this on but my gut instinct tells me that no player sent an email. There are factions at county board level and I suspect this could be one of them trying to stir it up and expose things that are normally kept quiet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
and who could possibly benefit from this smear campaign against county board, roisin jordan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on February 25, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 25, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
RHTOM, what is ur suspicion? do you think a tyrone senior player actually sent this email?

I've nothing to base this on but my gut instinct tells me that no player sent an email. There are factions at county board level and I suspect this could be one of them trying to stir it up and expose things that are normally kept quiet.

The Newstalk report specifically said it was verified with a phone call to a member of the panel. There's no reason to doubt that. I know I heard of similar reports especially regarding mileage rates and expenses going back 4-5 years. It is odd that Jordan in particular was mentioned, I'd have thought the Treasurer might have taken more off the stick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 26, 2017, 07:06:28 AM
This is all well and good, but people will sneer, bitch and comment. Then come AGM time there will be no opposition to any of the main roles.

People cried and moaned about fixtures last year. Come December and the County AGM the best person available for the job was elected.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on February 26, 2017, 07:47:53 AM
Quote from: barelegs on February 25, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 25, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
RHTOM, what is ur suspicion? do you think a tyrone senior player actually sent this email?

I've nothing to base this on but my gut instinct tells me that no player sent an email. There are factions at county board level and I suspect this could be one of them trying to stir it up and expose things that are normally kept quiet.

The Newstalk report specifically said it was verified with a phone call to a member of the panel. There's no reason to doubt that. I know I heard of similar reports especially regarding mileage rates and expenses going back 4-5 years. It is odd that Jordan in particular was mentioned, I'd have thought the Treasurer might have taken more off the stick

I can't understand why the players are complaining, lots of club players have to make a contribution towards the cost of the manager. With the size of the backroom team there are obviously big salaries (expenses) to be paid.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on February 26, 2017, 04:48:31 PM
Omagh pitch let's us all down again ...... ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 26, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 26, 2017, 04:48:31 PM
Omagh pitch let's us all down again ...... ::)

Its beyond a joke at this stage. Far too many big games called off in Healy cos of a drop of rain.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on February 26, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 26, 2017, 07:47:53 AM
Quote from: barelegs on February 25, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 25, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
RHTOM, what is ur suspicion? do you think a tyrone senior player actually sent this email?

I've nothing to base this on but my gut instinct tells me that no player sent an email. There are factions at county board level and I suspect this could be one of them trying to stir it up and expose things that are normally kept quiet.

The Newstalk report specifically said it was verified with a phone call to a member of the panel. There's no reason to doubt that. I know I heard of similar reports especially regarding mileage rates and expenses going back 4-5 years. It is odd that Jordan in particular was mentioned, I'd have thought the Treasurer might have taken more off the stick

I can't understand why the players are complaining, lots of club players have to make a contribution towards the cost of the manager. With the size of the backroom team there are obviously big salaries (expenses) to be paid.
Wholly concur
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 26, 2017, 11:45:00 PM
On the face of it it looks a token gesture from the players, and much appreciated. Very few primadonnas I'd imagine. Nobody ever asks the costs of being a supporter of county or and club Gaa. Damn expensive!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take Your Points on February 28, 2017, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 25, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
RHTOM, what is ur suspicion? do you think a tyrone senior player actually sent this email?

I've nothing to base this on but my gut instinct tells me that no player sent an email. There are factions at county board level and I suspect this could be one of them trying to stir it up and expose things that are normally kept quiet.

An article which appears to explain financial problems but then goes into the area of player issues..........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-isnt-everything-but-it-would-damn-help-tyrone-face-150000-postbrexit-extra-bill-for-training-centre-35488469.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-isnt-everything-but-it-would-damn-help-tyrone-face-150000-postbrexit-extra-bill-for-training-centre-35488469.html)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on February 28, 2017, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 26, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 26, 2017, 04:48:31 PM
Omagh pitch let's us all down again ...... ::)

Its beyond a joke at this stage. Far too many big games called off in Healy cos of a drop of rain.

Carrickmore unplayable as well. More than just a drop of rain
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 28, 2017, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 28, 2017, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 25, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
RHTOM, what is ur suspicion? do you think a tyrone senior player actually sent this email?


I've nothing to base this on but my gut instinct tells me that no player sent an email. There are factions at county board level and I suspect this could be one of them trying to stir it up and expose things that are normally kept quiet.

An article which appears to explain financial problems but then goes into the area of player issues..........

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-isnt-everything-but-it-would-damn-help-tyrone-face-150000-postbrexit-extra-bill-for-training-centre-35488469.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-isnt-everything-but-it-would-damn-help-tyrone-face-150000-postbrexit-extra-bill-for-training-centre-35488469.html)

What are the players not getting that they'd spend an extra 1/2 million quid on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 10:55:57 AM
There was a lot of rain on Sat night and especially Sunday morning so I think most pitches around the country were water logged. Omagh is of course always prone to this and so you would imagine at this stage there would be some better communication set up between the Omagh officials and the referee that they could take pictures of the ground and send them to the ref. It's not that hard to go out on the pitch and let a ball drop into the puddles to see how bad it is.

Could the decision not have been made hours before the throw in time so that it could have been communicated to both teams and fans alike. With the technology people have on their phones now it would have been easy to record a video or an Omagh official walking around the pitch and then sending that to the ref so he can make a call even if he hasn't left home yet.
Has this not been discussed before by the county board or does nobody just want to take ownership of the problem?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on February 28, 2017, 10:58:17 AM
Quote from: stillsenior on February 28, 2017, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 26, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 26, 2017, 04:48:31 PM
Omagh pitch let's us all down again ...... ::)

Its beyond a joke at this stage. Far too many big games called off in Healy cos of a drop of rain.

Carrickmore unplayable as well. More than just a drop of rain
Was it really?It is Funny the seniors trained on it that morning.
Could there have been another reason for the pitch being unplayable??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SG08 on February 28, 2017, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: stillsenior on February 28, 2017, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 26, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 26, 2017, 04:48:31 PM
Omagh pitch let's us all down again ...... ::)

Its beyond a joke at this stage. Far too many big games called off in Healy cos of a drop of rain.

Carrickmore unplayable as well. More than just a drop of rain

Carrickmore pitch was not prepared for a game on Sunday. May have been playable had they been given more than an hours notice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 11:17:05 AM
Will Garvaghey ever have the capacity and parking to host an intercounty game?
What's the likelyhood Omagh won't be ready for this Sat night? Forecast doesn't look great.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SG08 on February 28, 2017, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 11:17:05 AM
Will Garvaghey ever have the capacity and parking to host an intercounty game?
What's the likelyhood Omagh won't be ready for this Sat night? Forecast doesn't look great.

When the weather is so bad that Omagh can't hold it I'm sure Garvaghey would be a lovely place for a game...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on February 28, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
This is what the recent changes (last 2 years) will mean for club football in Tyrone in 2018:

County minors are not allowed to play for the club seniors until Tyrone are beat in minor championship (somewhere between end of May and end of August)
County minors are not allowed to train with the club at minor or senior level for the same period
17 year olds are not allowed to play for the club seniors/reserves
County Under 20s will be preparing for a summer championship match thus not training with the club and probably missing games for friendlies etc at the managers wishes.
County seniors will be playing O'Fiach Cup, McKenna Cup, National League, Ulster Championship and Super 8s if they qualify as expected. All of this has to be squeezed in by end of August.
In Tyrone there are usually 5 starred games to accommodate county players and they then play the rest of the club league games. Where are these club games going to be fitted into a compressed schedule? There wont be much of a gap between end of league and start of Ulster championship and between Ulster championship games and then on to qualifiers/super 8s.
The answer is there will be very little if any opportunity to play for the club.

For people who say that these proposals will help club football I think you don't understand the reality of the situation. Personally I have no time for the county scene any more but I know lots of people who go to county games that have no allegiance to any club. The fixtures makers in Tyrone already have a nightmare, we don't know the dates of any league or championship matches in any divisions and normally don't know what is happening from one week to the next. 2018 is going to be an absolute nightmare and it is only when we are going through it that people will realise the extent of the problem.

Anybody who can come back to me during/after the 2018 club season in Tyrone and can tell me any different to the nightmare scenario above I will be glad to say I was wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 28, 2017, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 11:17:05 AM
Will Garvaghey ever have the capacity and parking to host an intercounty game?
What's the likelyhood Omagh won't be ready for this Sat night? Forecast doesn't look great.

Garvaghey has only one pitch with a fence around it, I don't think it would be too safe to play a county game on a pitch where there isn't some form of barrier to prevent supporters entering (you see some mad c***ts at games dying to get onto the pitch).

I could think of 5 club grounds that would be better suited to hold a county game than Garvaghey i.e. Carrickmore, Killyclogher, Lough, Dungannon

I know these grounds aren't ideal for a county game but a better option than Garvaghey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on February 28, 2017, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on February 28, 2017, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 11:17:05 AM
Will Garvaghey ever have the capacity and parking to host an intercounty game?
What's the likelyhood Omagh won't be ready for this Sat night? Forecast doesn't look great.

Garvaghey has only one pitch with a fence around it, I don't think it would be too safe to play a county game on a pitch where there isn't some form of barrier to prevent supporters entering (you see some mad c***ts at games dying to get onto the pitch).

I could think of 5 club grounds that would be better suited to hold a county game than Garvaghey i.e. Carrickmore, Killyclogher, Lough, Dungannon

I know these grounds aren't ideal for a county game but a better option than Garvaghey

There is no doubt that the venues you have named would be better equipped to host the crowd for a county fixture in comparison to Garvaghey but none of them will be of any use this Saturday evening at 7pm.

The Omagh venue has had to cancel several fixtures both club and county in recent times at very short notice, we will no doubt have a call from our penny pinching county board to build a new stadium to host these games but in my opinion the money would be better spent upgrading the likes of Carrickmore & Dungannon to floodlit venues to give more options for club and county fixtures to proceed. Come to think of it Dungannon would probably need more than lights to upgrade their facilities but still a reasonably good venue none the less.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on February 28, 2017, 02:13:25 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on February 28, 2017, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on February 28, 2017, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2017, 11:17:05 AM
Will Garvaghey ever have the capacity and parking to host an intercounty game?
What's the likelyhood Omagh won't be ready for this Sat night? Forecast doesn't look great.

Garvaghey has only one pitch with a fence around it, I don't think it would be too safe to play a county game on a pitch where there isn't some form of barrier to prevent supporters entering (you see some mad c***ts at games dying to get onto the pitch).

I could think of 5 club grounds that would be better suited to hold a county game than Garvaghey i.e. Carrickmore, Killyclogher, Lough, Dungannon

I know these grounds aren't ideal for a county game but a better option than Garvaghey

There is no doubt that the venues you have named would be better equipped to host the crowd for a county fixture in comparison to Garvaghey but none of them will be of any use this Saturday evening at 7pm.

The Omagh venue has had to cancel several fixtures both club and county in recent times at very short notice, we will no doubt have a call from our penny pinching county board to build a new stadium to host these games but in my opinion the money would be better spent upgrading the likes of Carrickmore & Dungannon to floodlit venues to give more options for club and county fixtures to proceed. Come to think of it Dungannon would probably need more than lights to upgrade their facilities but still a reasonably good venue none the less.

Dungannon needs a lot of work. Pitch wouldn't be the greatest and the changing facilities are dated. Also don't think it has great access in terms of location
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on February 28, 2017, 02:23:47 PM
Unfortunately I think the reality is Omagh will continue to host the county games regardless if other clubs such as Carrickmore or Dgn get floodlights, mainly down to the fact of the stand and capacity which they hold.. Would a solution of draining and re surfacing Healy park be a more viable solution?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on February 28, 2017, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 28, 2017, 09:25:50 PM
i see sean cavanagh has issued a statement via tyrone pro stating  the tyrone team are happy with the funding they recieve from county board. i think most people have seen through hartes attempt to discredit roisin jordan.

Honestly, if Mickey Harte was behind that letter I'd be disgusted with him.
Is there any evidence to suggest he has or is it just empty speculation?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on February 28, 2017, 09:51:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 28, 2017, 09:25:50 PM
i see sean cavanagh has issued a statement via tyrone pro stating  the tyrone team are happy with the funding they recieve from county board. i think most people have seen through hartes attempt to discredit roisin jordan.

For someone who can't spell or use punctuation you're quite the Miss Marple!  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 28, 2017, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 28, 2017, 09:51:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 28, 2017, 09:25:50 PM
i see sean cavanagh has issued a statement via tyrone pro stating  the tyrone team are happy with the funding they recieve from county board. i think most people have seen through hartes attempt to discredit roisin jordan.

For someone who can't spell or use punctuation you're quite the Miss Marple!  ;D
sorry sir il get my secretary to proof read my posts from now on.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 02, 2017, 04:17:23 PM
I didn't realise McClure was 23 as I thought he was younger. According to today's Irish news he played u21 in 2014
It seems like him and Sludden seem to be coming into the team looking much stronger than others who have been there for a while.

How many of the current squad are 35 or under? Mattie is 26 I think. Morgan is 25.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 02, 2017, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 02, 2017, 04:17:23 PM
I didn't realise McClure was 23 as I thought he was younger. According to today's Irish news he played u21 in 2014
It seems like him and Sludden seem to be coming into the team looking much stronger than others who have been there for a while.

How many of the current squad are 35 or under? Mattie is 26 I think. Morgan is 25.

Sean Cavanagh and Joe McMahon are/will be 34 at some point this year.

Justy will turn 31 this year.

Think Colm Cavanagh and McCarron will both turn 30 this year.

Mattie, Peter Harte and McNabb were all minors in 08 so will turn 27 at some stage this year.

Morgan, McAliskey, McCann, McNamee were all minor in 2009 so will be 26 at some stage this year.

Richie Donnelly, Sludden, O'Neill, McNulty and HP McGeary were all minors in 2010 so will turn 25 at some stage this year.

Conall McCann, Munroe, McCurry, McClure, Loughran and McCullagh were all minors in 2011 so will turn 24 at some stage this year.

Bradley, Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Rory Brennan, Meyler and Cassidy were minor in 2012 so will turn 23 at some stage this year.

McShane, Burns and Fox were part of the u21 squad last year so will be 22 at some stage this year.

Lee Brennan is in his final year u21 this year so will turn 21 at some point, Mulgrew has another year left at u21 so will turn 20 at some point this year.

Not sure what age McCrory and Mickey O'Neill would be exactly, i would say around 28/29. Ronan McHugh is probably around 23?

It's a very young squad by and large with a good few exciting players there who have yet to firmly establish themselves yet so you'd imagine this side will be around for a while.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 02, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
What age is Mickey out of interest
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 02, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 02, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
What age is Mickey out of interest
i think he around the same age as mick o dwyer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 02, 2017, 10:09:09 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 02, 2017, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 02, 2017, 04:17:23 PM
I didn't realise McClure was 23 as I thought he was younger. According to today's Irish news he played u21 in 2014
It seems like him and Sludden seem to be coming into the team looking much stronger than others who have been there for a while.

How many of the current squad are 35 or under? Mattie is 26 I think. Morgan is 25.

Sean Cavanagh and Joe McMahon are/will be 34 at some point this year.

Justy will turn 31 this year.

Think Colm Cavanagh and McCarron will both turn 30 this year.

Mattie, Peter Harte and McNabb were all minors in 08 so will turn 27 at some stage this year.

Morgan, McAliskey, McCann, McNamee were all minor in 2009 so will be 26 at some stage this year.

Richie Donnelly, Sludden, O'Neill, McNulty and HP McGeary were all minors in 2010 so will turn 25 at some stage this year.

Conall McCann, Munroe, McCurry, McClure, Loughran and McCullagh were all minors in 2011 so will turn 24 at some stage this year.

Bradley, Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Rory Brennan, Meyler and Cassidy were minor in 2012 so will turn 23 at some stage this year.

McShane, Burns and Fox were part of the u21 squad last year so will be 22 at some stage this year.

Lee Brennan is in his final year u21 this year so will turn 21 at some point, Mulgrew has another year left at u21 so will turn 20 at some point this year.

Not sure what age McCrory and Mickey O'Neill would be exactly, i would say around 28/29. Ronan McHugh is probably around 23?

It's a very young squad by and large with a good few exciting players there who have yet to firmly establish themselves yet so you'd imagine this side will be around for a while.

Brilliant Bomber - good info indeed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 03, 2017, 02:58:18 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 02, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
What age is Mickey out of interest
i think he around the same age as mick o dwyer.

Mickey born in 1952, so coming up on 65.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HalfBack7 on March 03, 2017, 10:51:54 AM
Any word on the pitch at Healy? Will it be fit to hold tomorrow nights game?
Forecast for rain tonight and most of tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 03, 2017, 04:14:12 PM
How embarrassing will it be if another match is called off

Wouldn't surprise me ATM, Omagh is a shambles

You would think the County Board should have Back Up Plan by this stage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 03, 2017, 04:38:32 PM
They do have a backup plan. Carrickmore or Edendork.
I've heard that they want to give Omagh every chance for tomorrow night but I'd say they will wait to see how much rain falls tonight and decide tomorrow afternoon.

Apparently they wanted to call it off much earlier last week and photos were sent to Croke Park HQ but they were keen it would go ahead and so told the ref to decide when he got there and so that's why it was such a late decision.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 03, 2017, 05:42:45 PM
That'll be a first you admitting a Back Up plan. You must be on the County Board, and trying to blame Croke Park is straight From The book of Trump/Arlene - Blame everyone but Ourselves 

Although Deciding tomorrow afternoon when the game is Tomorrow night is what causes the frustration with EVERYONE. I wasn't aware Carmen or Edendork had sufficient lights to play a county game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 03, 2017, 06:06:02 PM
Why not just run with plan B now and be fair to all supporters. Thus waiting till hours before the game is a joke.

In other news the u21s hammered Ballinderry last night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: HalfBack7 on March 03, 2017, 10:51:54 AM
Any word on the pitch at Healy? Will it be fit to hold tomorrow nights game?
Forecast for rain tonight and most of tomorrow.

Raining all day in Omagh and will continue into the night. Slightly less rain due tomorrow.  A decent pitch might be able to handle it but the gluey Healy Park will not be allowing the water to move into the clay beneath it.

If there is a plan B it should be in place by now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 03, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
Sunday in Edendork or Carrickmore looks likely in the event of pitch being unplayable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 03, 2017, 08:46:48 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 03, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
Sunday in Edendork or Carrickmore looks likely in the event of pitch being unplayable.

And likely following week too for rearranged Cavan game. But that's Plan C.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on March 03, 2017, 09:16:42 PM
I was told Carrickmore were on standby until today. There is a minor match on tomorrow afternoon and some of the girls teams are playing on it on Sunday morning. Obviously the men in charge do not think the crowd can be facilitated. It is a shame because I would have liked to see an atoo sphere at a Tyrone league game for a changer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 03, 2017, 09:32:04 PM
Does that mean edendork is plan b then or is there a new one?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on March 03, 2017, 10:14:41 PM
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/181967/Dublin_and_Mayo_meet_again_and_the_Tyrone_mystery

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 03, 2017, 10:38:10 PM
excellent listen and a stark warning for tyrone. death by a thousand cuts they called it. harte should have been chased few years ago and the longer he stays the bigger the mess he is gonna leave behind him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HalfBack7 on March 03, 2017, 11:08:35 PM
Anybody from the St Enda's club able to give an update on the pitch?

Would be very surprised to see it go ahead tomorrow night in Healy if the amount of rain that is forecast falls tonight.
Would be nice if the county board could release some information on it instead of leaving supporters from both counties in the dark.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 04, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
If the rain in Omagh tonight is anything to go by there isn't a hope of Healy hosting that game tomorrow
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on March 04, 2017, 08:29:48 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 03, 2017, 10:38:10 PM
excellent listen and a stark warning for tyrone. death by a thousand cuts they called it. harte should have been chased few years ago and the longer he stays the bigger the mess he is gonna leave behind him.
Mickey divides opinion but dunno how you come to that conclusion !!!!!! Anybody know what Garvaghey cost in total so far as the cost will just go one road saying as they are building further  :o  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take Your Points on March 04, 2017, 01:04:58 PM
It rained through the night but it is dry in Omagh this morning.  The river is up to the beginning of the flood defences which indicates a high volume of rain over the last 24 hours.

The main issue is the lack of drainage both natural and forced that is possible at a pitch based on sticky clay close to the surface.  Nothing can be built in the area out the Gortin road without serious piling due to the poor ground conditions.  There is a digger lost under the ground at Healy Park during previous construction before the new stand was built. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on March 04, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
This evening's #AllianzLeagues D1 match between @TyroneGAALive and @monaghangaa is going ahead. Healy Park has passed a pitch inspection.
35 mins ago - Twitter
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 04, 2017, 11:17:45 PM
A very positive and controlled first half. Second half was a disaster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redcard on March 05, 2017, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Club boi on March 03, 2017, 05:42:45 PM
That'll be a first you admitting a Back Up plan. You must be on the County Board, and trying to blame Croke Park is straight From The book of Trump/Arlene - Blame everyone but Ourselves 

Although Deciding tomorrow afternoon when the game is Tomorrow night is what causes the frustration with EVERYONE. I wasn't aware Carmen or Edendork had sufficient lights to play a county game
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 03, 2017, 06:06:02 PM
Why not just run with plan B now and be fair to all supporters. Thus waiting till hours before the game is a joke.

In other news the u21s hammered Ballinderry last night.
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: HalfBack7 on March 03, 2017, 10:51:54 AM
Any word on the pitch at Healy? Will it be fit to hold tomorrow nights game?
Forecast for rain tonight and most of tomorrow.

Raining all day in Omagh and will continue into the night. Slightly less rain due tomorrow.  A decent pitch might be able to handle it but the gluey Healy Park will not be allowing the water to move into the clay beneath it.

If there is a plan B it should be in place by now.
Quote from: HalfBack7 on March 03, 2017, 11:08:35 PM
Anybody from the St Enda's club able to give an update on the pitch?

Would be very surprised to see it go ahead tomorrow night in Healy if the amount of rain that is forecast falls tonight.
Would be nice if the county board could release some information on it instead of leaving supporters from both counties in the dark.
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 04, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
If the rain in Omagh tonight is anything to go by there isn't a hope of Healy hosting that game tomorrow
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 04, 2017, 01:04:58 PM
It rained through the night but it is dry in Omagh this morning.  The river is up to the beginning of the flood defences which indicates a high volume of rain over the last 24 hours.

The main issue is the lack of drainage both natural and forced that is possible at a pitch based on sticky clay close to the surface.  Nothing can be built in the area out the Gortin road without serious piling due to the poor ground conditions.  There is a digger lost under the ground at Healy Park during previous construction before the new stand was built. 
Quote from: HalfBack7 on March 03, 2017, 10:51:54 AM
Any word on the pitch at Healy? Will it be fit to hold tomorrow nights game?
Forecast for rain tonight and most of tomorrow.

So the game went ahead despite all the rain and all the crying on here lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 05, 2017, 09:55:04 PM
Lol  😂 😂😂. Every time I hear that story about the digger I laugh.

Time for everyone to get behind Harte whether u like him or not or his tactics. There isn't another county in Ireland including Dublin and Kerry that wouldn't want Harte managing them, and we have clowns on here looking him rid. Make the most of him wile we have him.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 05, 2017, 10:36:39 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 05, 2017, 09:55:04 PM
Lol  😂 😂😂. Every time I hear that story about the digger I laugh.

Time for everyone to get behind Harte whether u like him or not or his tactics. There isn't another county in Ireland including Dublin and Kerry that wouldn't want Harte managing them, and we have clowns on here looking him rid. Make the most of him wile we have him.
After watching both the tyrone game and dublin game last night I'd guess the Dubs are happy enough with the man they have
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 05, 2017, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 05, 2017, 09:55:04 PM
Lol  😂 😂😂. Every time I hear that story about the digger I laugh.

Time for everyone to get behind Harte whether u like him or not or his tactics. There isn't another county in Ireland including Dublin and Kerry that wouldn't want Harte managing them, and we have clowns on here looking him rid. Make the most of him wile we have him.
ah ok sure we will just follow him blindly whether we feel he is the right man or not. you make him sound like a cult leader.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 06, 2017, 02:57:24 AM
It's a results based game, and his record speaks for himself. Ure basing it on personnel level, despite not knowing the man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 06, 2017, 08:34:53 AM
Quote from: redzone on March 06, 2017, 02:57:24 AM
It's a results based game, and his record speaks for himself. Ure basing it on personnel level, despite not knowing the man.
No I am not. If as you say its a results based game, why would the Dubs want to swap Jim Gavin for anyone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 06, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
We're did I say swap. If u want to act stupid go ahead
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 06, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, STG, but weren't you also very vocal in lambasting Tiarnan McCann's value to the county set up? What about his man of the match performance on Saturday night?

Open to correction on this, btw.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 06, 2017, 12:03:35 PM
He wouldnt be the only one Tiernan has grown in stature through his hard work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 06, 2017, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 05, 2017, 09:55:04 PM
Lol  😂 😂😂. Every time I hear that story about the digger I laugh.

Time for everyone to get behind Harte whether u like him or not or his tactics. There isn't another county in Ireland including Dublin and Kerry that wouldn't want Harte managing them, and we have clowns on here looking him rid. Make the most of him wile we have him.


Quote from: redzone on March 06, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
We're did I say swap. If u want to act stupid go ahead

Are you stupid ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 06, 2017, 02:44:19 PM
I missed the start of the game and didn't hear why Burns, McGeary and Mattie started. Did I hear soemwhere that Sludden hurt his hamstring or something?

Were was Burns actually playing & McGeary playing as they both often seemed to be on their own 40 a lot.
I thought both played well and can see why some of you keep talking about Burns to start. He's another big strong lad and did well not to retaliate to the punch to his face.

It was nice to see us mixing the short running game with the odd long punt in to Mattie & Sean though the Mattie v Wylie battle didn't really materialise that much. Some would say Mattie is totally wasted in there but I think it's good the odd time for him or Sean to lie in there and at least keep the other team guessing how you're gonna play it, rather than running everything.

Mickey O'Neill made a good save and had a decent enough performance from his kick outs.
I noticed Sean was about to hit a free one time and Ronan came out and said he would take it and Sean duly obliged, for Ronan to miss it of course. I really wish Peter Harte would hit all the frees unless they are from a very awkward angle for his left foot.

I thought McCurry did quite well and he certainly looks a lot bulkier and stronger than in other years.
Was very pleased to see Sean kick 3 great points as I was saying lately he passes far too much now and doesn't shoot enough himself.(Never thought I'd type that).

Despite the poor second half I think we can take a lot of positives from that performance and the amount of tight competition for the 8 central positions. McClure was quieter than other games I thought but I much prefer having him there than Mattie. Thought Meyler did a huge amount of work again and I would have him ahead of McShane at the moment.
Is Bradley back for Cavan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 06, 2017, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 06, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, STG, but weren't you also very vocal in lambasting Tiarnan McCann's value to the county set up? What about his man of the match performance on Saturday night?

Open to correction on this, btw.
he took his points very well in fairness but we must remember our players had so much time on the ball in first half they could score at will. not sure he will be the answer against any of the top 3 come summer. he also scored 2 points in county final when game was totally onesided.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 06, 2017, 06:34:20 PM
McCann is one of only about 5/6 players who is nailed on to start for Tyrone. The rest of the positions are pretty much up for grabs with very little between the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 06, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 06, 2017, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 06, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, STG, but weren't you also very vocal in lambasting Tiarnan McCann's value to the county set up? What about his man of the match performance on Saturday night?

Open to correction on this, btw.
he took his points very well in fairness but we must remember our players had so much time on the ball in first half they could score at will. not sure he will be the answer against any of the top 3 come summer. he also scored 2 points in county final when game was totally onesided.

Ah come on, he scored both points on Saturday by using his pace and awareness of space. He got space in a packed defence due to his own efforts rather than Monaghan's lack of intensity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2017, 09:43:27 PM
Where exactly are you from southtyronegael, as you as far south as Irvinestown, Emyvale or Charlemont perchance?  :P ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 07, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
dont think anyone on here wants mickey rid???lol. however what most people cant stand judging by the booing on sat night is the shite football. we have no one other than sludden who is willing to take the ball at pace behind a defender as he dosent worry about getting smashed. it takes balls to play that sort of game both inside and outside the white line. as for tiernan mccann he is superb in open space however once he gets closed down like the second half with 2 defensive lines his lack of football nous becomes apparent. if all irelands were handed out on hair gel fake tans sprinting quickly into space diving and not getting smashed then tyrone would have a team of allstars and mccann would be footballer of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 07, 2017, 08:21:47 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 07, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
dont think anyone on here wants mickey rid???lol. however what most people cant stand judging by the booing on sat night is the shite football. we have no one other than sludden who is willing to take the ball at pace behind a defender as he dosent worry about getting smashed. it takes balls to play that sort of game both inside and outside the white line. as for tiernan mccann he is superb in open space however once he gets closed down like the second half with 2 defensive lines his lack of football nous becomes apparent. if all irelands were handed out on hair gel fake tans sprinting quickly into space diving and not getting smashed then tyrone would have a team of allstars and mccann would be footballer of the year.
Wise up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on March 07, 2017, 08:41:57 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 07, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
dont think anyone on here wants mickey rid???lol. however what most people cant stand judging by the booing on sat night is the shite football. we have no one other than sludden who is willing to take the ball at pace behind a defender as he dosent worry about getting smashed. it takes balls to play that sort of game both inside and outside the white line. as for tiernan mccann he is superb in open space however once he gets closed down like the second half with 2 defensive lines his lack of football nous becomes apparent. if all irelands were handed out on hair gel fake tans sprinting quickly into space diving and not getting smashed then tyrone would have a team of allstars and mccann would be footballer of the year.

Catch yourself on ye dose
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 07, 2017, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 07, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
dont think anyone on here wants mickey rid???lol. however what most people cant stand judging by the booing on sat night is the shite football. we have no one other than sludden who is willing to take the ball at pace behind a defender as he dosent worry about getting smashed. it takes balls to play that sort of game both inside and outside the white line. as for tiernan mccann he is superb in open space however once he gets closed down like the second half with 2 defensive lines his lack of football nous becomes apparent. if all irelands were handed out on hair gel fake tans sprinting quickly into space diving and not getting smashed then tyrone would have a team of allstars and mccann would be footballer of the year.

I think first  half Tyrone did kick pass more ball than usual to the full forward...i got a feeling more ball would have been kicked in only Matttie and McCurry did not make the runs wanting the ball bad enough and as the game went on Wylie totally conquered Mattie he stopped running all together the work rate stopped out the field and the whole team ground to a halt which was very disappointing... Monaghan gave us a wee sweat Cavanagh eased that with a couple of great scores...Ruiari Brennan had a shocker when he came on....but early in the year yet Mattie and Brennan both have played little football so far....First half was a good team performance second half stunk of arrogance and laziness...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on March 07, 2017, 09:16:20 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 06, 2017, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 06, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, STG, but weren't you also very vocal in lambasting Tiarnan McCann's value to the county set up? What about his man of the match performance on Saturday night?

Open to correction on this, btw.
he took his points very well in fairness but we must remember our players had so much time on the ball in first half they could score at will. not sure he will be the answer against any of the top 3 come summer. he also scored 2 points in county final when game was totally onesided.

the technique and method that Tiernan kicked them points the other night was a skill of its own and not easily done under pressure or not. I was at the bottom end goals behind Tiernan when he kick the two points, and both points looked to be going well wide only to curl in at the end, a skill on its own that he has definitely been practising..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 07, 2017, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 07, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
dont think anyone on here wants mickey rid???lol. however what most people cant stand judging by the booing on sat night is the shite football. we have no one other than sludden who is willing to take the ball at pace behind a defender as he dosent worry about getting smashed. it takes balls to play that sort of game both inside and outside the white line. as for tiernan mccann he is superb in open space however once he gets closed down like the second half with 2 defensive lines his lack of football nous becomes apparent. if all irelands were handed out on hair gel fake tans sprinting quickly into space diving and not getting smashed then tyrone would have a team of allstars and mccann would be footballer of the year.

Rubbish...the whole Tyrone team played dung in the second half not just Tiernan. The pace of the attack completely slowed down and there wasn't many diversion runs our supporting runs off the shoulder to break the defensive line. What pissed me off was we were two men up so we should have been able to protect the defence as usual yet still commit extra men to overlaps to get through the first line of Monaghan's defence on the 40.

Secondly, surely it's to Tiernan's benefit that he was able to find space in the packed Monaghan defence in the 1st half. What you're saying is his skill and speed to make those scores was wee buns and run off the mill stuff? Bullshit.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 07, 2017, 11:43:35 AM
Over the top OSE appearance is an individuals own choice its only an amateur sport.I get a bit of gel on my hair from my barber each time i get it cut,you are making me self concious now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 07, 2017, 04:17:14 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 07, 2017, 08:21:47 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 07, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
dont think anyone on here wants mickey rid???lol. however what most people cant stand judging by the booing on sat night is the shite football. we have no one other than sludden who is willing to take the ball at pace behind a defender as he dosent worry about getting smashed. it takes balls to play that sort of game both inside and outside the white line. as for tiernan mccann he is superb in open space however once he gets closed down like the second half with 2 defensive lines his lack of football nous becomes apparent. if all irelands were handed out on hair gel fake tans sprinting quickly into space diving and not getting smashed then tyrone would have a team of allstars and mccann would be footballer of the year.
Wise up

Doubley Wise Up you Prat
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 07, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
lads your right appearance shouldnt matter i take it back. apologies to all barbers beauticians and bollox shavers up and down the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 07, 2017, 08:33:12 PM
 :-X
Quote from: ose 14 on March 07, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
lads your right appearance shouldnt matter i take it back. apologies to all barbers beauticians and bollox shavers up and down the country.

Wee Peter never bothered much with the barbers.... :'( :'(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 07, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
i think every tyrone player should be made have their hair dyed and get spray tanned. might take the bad look off the shite football they play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 08, 2017, 05:55:51 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 03, 2017, 06:06:02 PM
Why not just run with plan B now and be fair to all supporters. Thus waiting till hours before the game is a joke.

In other news the u21s hammered Ballinderry last night.

Are you sure about that result? The score I heard didn't reflect a hammering.

Anyway, surely an U21 team training flat out for 3+ months should always beat a decent club team who are basically in the midst of pre season!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 08, 2017, 06:05:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
i think every tyrone player should be made have their hair dyed and get spray tanned. might take the bad look off the shite football they play.

Once Sean Cavanagh goes they will be a very ordinary team... carries them over the line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 08, 2017, 06:33:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 08, 2017, 06:05:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
i think every tyrone player should be made have their hair dyed and get spray tanned. might take the bad look off the shite football they play.

Once Sean Cavanagh goes they will be a very ordinary team... carries them over the line

They?

What brings you here? Are you from an irrelevant county?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 09:30:45 PM
nothing ordinary about the players we have. they are as good as anything dublin or kerry have. they are just being stifled by our negative, one dimensional, 'system'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 09:30:45 PM
nothing ordinary about the players we have. they are as good as anything dublin or kerry have. they are just being stifled by our negative, one dimensional, 'system'.

What about the man you want to replace him with Mattie. How's the attacking football you promised
from him going at Cavan? They putting up the big scores and putting Harte to shame? Really excited to see them in action on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:25:24 PM
well for a start cavan do not have the quality of player we have. i dont care how mc gleenan fairs with cavan. i would just like to see him or someone else get a shot at the tyrone job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 08, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Malachi o rourke would be the only viable man I could think of to take Tyrone if the chance ever came about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:55:08 PM
yeah o rourke would be an excellent choice too and i couldnt see there bein any opposition in the county to him gettin the job?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2017, 10:55:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:25:24 PM
well for a start cavan do not have the quality of player we have. i dont care how mc gleenan fairs with cavan. i would just like to see him or someone else get a shot at the tyrone job.

You wanted Harte out and mcgleenan in to play attacking football. In 3 games they've averaged 9 points. You could quality of argue players for losing but can't say they're trying to play attacking football with them scores. Roscommon at a similar level have scored far more.

Did you ever think players might be a reason we haven't won the all Ireland recently? Last year we scored heavily in the league final, v Derry and in two games v Cavan. This proves that we can score heavily with the system. The issue is when faced with better players the team has struggled, though we have improved considerably over the last few years.

The only difference between us and the other top 3 teams to date has been the fact that their players have taken scores under pressure in big games. We've created more than enough chances to win every game we've played.

It's not best style to watch and I really hoped it's tweaked a bit this year. But this notion of blindly replacing the manager in the hope the new manager will  play an open attacking game and still compete at the top level is a bit deluded if you ask me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 08, 2017, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Malachi o rourke would be the only viable man I could think of to take Tyrone if the chance ever came about.

Malachi has done a good job with Monaghan but they have been serial losers when they get to the big stage at Croker. That wouldn't inspire confidence!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2017, 10:57:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:55:08 PM
yeah o rourke would be an excellent choice too and i couldnt see there bein any opposition in the county to him gettin the job?

Monaghan play a very similar style to Tyrone but haven't got past a quarter final. They often retreat on mass from opposition kick out. They got beat by Longford last year. What difference in tactics do you see orourke bringing to the table?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 08, 2017, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Malachi o rourke would be the only viable man I could think of to take Tyrone if the chance ever came about.

Malachi has done a good job with Monaghan but they have been serial losers when they get to the big stage at Croker. That wouldn't inspire confidence!
monaghan dont have enough quality players to go beyond q finals. o rourke took them over in div 3 and won 2 ulsters. we have won 3 minor all irelands since 04 and an u21 in '15 ffs dont be comparin us with monaghan or cavan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on March 09, 2017, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:55:08 PM
yeah o rourke would be an excellent choice too and i couldnt see there bein any opposition in the county to him gettin the job?

Not even the fact he's from Fermanagh maybe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 09, 2017, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on March 09, 2017, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:55:08 PM
yeah o rourke would be an excellent choice too and i couldnt see there bein any opposition in the county to him gettin the job?

Not even the fact he's from Fermanagh maybe?
he lives in tyrone, has played for and managed errigal ciaran i think. so he ok. just about.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on March 09, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Malachi o rourke would be the only viable man I could think of to take Tyrone if the chance ever came about.

Paddy Tally?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 09, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 09, 2017, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on March 09, 2017, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:55:08 PM
yeah o rourke would be an excellent choice too and i couldnt see there bein any opposition in the county to him gettin the job?

Not even the fact he's from Fermanagh maybe?
he lives in tyrone, has played for and managed errigal ciaran i think. so he ok. just about.lol

Catch a grip you clown, a Fermanagh would be the back of the que for the job. What is the point in yapping away on here like you are some sort of expert. Harte has the job for one more year, leave it be and see where we end up.

Any other option being touted would be a major risk. The only one who automatically deserves a shot is the U 21 line up and not sure Logan could take it and/or if canavan would want to do it as an assistant type role.

The rest could all end in disaster
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 09, 2017, 09:32:21 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 09, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Malachi o rourke would be the only viable man I could think of to take Tyrone if the chance ever came about.

Paddy Tally?

But risky. No experience in managing a county team at all or really any club teams. Might work as a coach. Mattie mcgleenan has found that out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 09, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 08, 2017, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Malachi o rourke would be the only viable man I could think of to take Tyrone if the chance ever came about.

Malachi has done a good job with Monaghan but they have been serial losers when they get to the big stage at Croker. That wouldn't inspire confidence!
monaghan dont have enough quality players to go beyond q finals. o rourke took them over in div 3 and won 2 ulsters. we have won 3 minor all irelands since 04 and an u21 in '15 ffs dont be comparin us with monaghan or cavan.

The reason you wanted rid of Harte you said was because of the style of play and you wanted to see more attacking football. You are now saying you'd be happy with O'Rourke. So are you saying that Monaghan play a more attacking game than Tyrone? What differences do you see in their game plan? When they had 15 men on the pitch on Sat night they were highly defensive, tried to keep possession and managed 2 points in the first half. In their last ulster final win they retreated on mass for every Donegal kick out. It was effective but poor to watch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 09, 2017, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 09, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 09, 2017, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on March 09, 2017, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:55:08 PM
yeah o rourke would be an excellent choice too and i couldnt see there bein any opposition in the county to him gettin the job?

Not even the fact he's from Fermanagh maybe?
he lives in tyrone, has played for and managed errigal ciaran i think. so he ok. just about.lol

Catch a grip you clown, a Fermanagh would be the back of the que for the job. What is the point in yapping away on here like you are some sort of expert. Harte has the job for one more year, leave it be and see where we end up.

Any other option being touted would be a major risk. The only one who automatically deserves a shot is the U 21 line up and not sure Logan could take it and/or if canavan would want to do it as an assistant type role.

The rest could all end in disaster
leave it be and see where we end up? We've left it long enough and ended with our own fans booing us on saturday night.take the blinkers off mate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 09, 2017, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 09, 2017, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 09, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 09, 2017, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on March 09, 2017, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2017, 10:55:08 PM
yeah o rourke would be an excellent choice too and i couldnt see there bein any opposition in the county to him gettin the job?

Not even the fact he's from Fermanagh maybe?
he lives in tyrone, has played for and managed errigal ciaran i think. so he ok. just about.lol

Catch a grip you clown, a Fermanagh would be the back of the que for the job. What is the point in yapping away on here like you are some sort of expert. Harte has the job for one more year, leave it be and see where we end up.

Any other option being touted would be a major risk. The only one who automatically deserves a shot is the U 21 line up and not sure Logan could take it and/or if canavan would want to do it as an assistant type role.

The rest could all end in disaster
leave it be and see where we end up? We've left it long enough and ended with our own fans booing us on saturday night.take the blinkers off mate.

Well you are in a clear minority and nothing you can do for this year, contact your club, if you have one and tell them you want to object to harte being the next manager simples. You are gonna give yourself aneurysm over the issue.

If any other county looked in and seen a fella on a rant about a manager who just won an ulster title, 1 point away from beating all ire finalists and will be sitting on top of league 1 come sunday night they would think you were demented!

You take the blinkers off, we are far from perfect and harte makes some strange decisions but you don't give credit where it is due. It is only March, don't peak too soon
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 09, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
No point going through my club, ordinary members have no say. Il just have a word with roisin Jordan about it.and don't shite about peak in too early, we played the same shite in july/august as we did in feb/march last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 09, 2017, 02:13:43 PM
Was at the game and it was Monaghan fans doing the booing. What sort of clowns do u think the Tyrone supporters are u eejit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 09, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 09, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: redzone on March 08, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Malachi o rourke would be the only viable man I could think of to take Tyrone if the chance ever came about.

Paddy Tally?

Yes. A definite runner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on March 09, 2017, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 09, 2017, 02:13:43 PM
Was at the game and it was Monaghan fans doing the booing. What sort of clowns do u think the Tyrone supporters are u eejit.

It was hard for him to decipher who was booing from the comfort of his high stool.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 09, 2017, 03:06:50 PM
Did the booing occur when McCurry who had got the ball up in the left hand corner, hit a 30 yard pass backwards to recycle the ball rather than looking for someone making a run forward.

Actually if you watch a lot of our games with the pause button at the ready you will see how often there are large pockets of space in behind the other teams defence but everyone is coming towards the ball to receive it short.
If a forward was to spin on his heels and run back into the area he just came from then he would be straight through.
I think Sludden is the only forward who seems to do this lately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 09, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
How many people on here actually played football. Not at a high level but senior club at least. If u did then ud realise that it's a lot harder than watching it from the stands or on a tv.you only have a second or two to make up your mind what to do before being dispossed. I'm sure at intercounty level it's another few notches again. Mcurry done the right thing, keep pocession, draw Monaghan out and  wait until the right moment arises. f**k any p***k who booed. You honestly call yourselves supporters. If ud being beside me I gave u a right mouthful.
If said it before hartes record speaks for itself. I don't like some of the things he does either but his game management, and football abiblity is second to none.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 09, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
Lot if idiots on here don't get it with Harte. Arguments with county board arguments with RTE. Lets not forget this individual was responsible for the break up of a football club in the 1980s ballygawley st ciarans. I wouldn't mind if he was a great coach but sadly he has been found out to be a fraud who got lucky over the years with a great football team. Tyrone has been kind to this narcissist and his circle. This year can't end quick enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 09, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
Oh God, not another new account. I'd say the mods must enjoy comparing the IP addresses from time to time.

I wonder will the county board persuade Jim Gavin to come manage us next year. Sure he could fly his own helicopter up for training
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: dec on March 09, 2017, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 09, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
Oh God, not another new account.

Date Registered:    February 02, 2011, 04:26:07 AM
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 09, 2017, 09:31:44 PM
The aforementioned individual would make a great partner with Arlene foster. Power hungry, self serving who look after there friends and ultimately not very good at their job. No doubt the catholic church and SDLP will be in mourning once their darling gets booted out in his hole. Its gonna be great lets make Tyrone great again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 09, 2017, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 09, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
How many people on here actually played football. Not at a high level but senior club at least. If u did then ud realise that it's a lot harder than watching it from the stands or on a tv.you only have a second or two to make up your mind what to do before being dispossed. I'm sure at intercounty level it's another few notches again. Mcurry done the right thing, keep pocession, draw Monaghan out and  wait until the right moment arises. f**k any p***k who booed. You honestly call yourselves supporters. If ud being beside me I gave u a right mouthful.
If said it before hartes record speaks for itself. I don't like some of the things he does either but his game management, and football abiblity is second to none.
his game management wasnt great against mayo last year when we were a point down and had every man behind the ball while mayo ran the clock out. and as for mickeys football ability, id say he was bang average.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 09, 2017, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 09, 2017, 09:31:44 PM
The aforementioned individual would make a great partner with Arlene foster. Power hungry, self serving who look after there friends and ultimately not very good at their job. No doubt the catholic church and SDLP will be in mourning once their darling gets booted out in his hole. Its gonna be great lets make Tyrone great again.

You're clearly a wind up merchant. Go get a life
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 10, 2017, 07:35:56 AM
anyone on here thinking it was just monaghan fans booing has got the red and white blinkers on im afraid. but thats par for the course with mickeys disciples. anyone trying to offer any objective analysis on here is pillorised for being anti mickey. tyrone play an awful brand of shite football. whos fault is that? ulster football is rife with it go back to the kerry game in 03 thats where the modern virus started. mcguiness improved it and harte and most of the ulster mangers club and county are now developing it further. wether your a harte fan or not you cant argue with that fact. fans are turning off it in their droves thats why harte has no views on the super 8 as it has been a consequence of his and others shite football. kids are turning off this shit in their droves. we were an embarrasment against mayo last year negative and boring and our lack of footballers badly exposed bar petey sludden and mattie. tyrone are not rated in the south bar the odd kerryman usually an o se whos paid a few bucks by the irish news and is still hurting from the noughties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 10, 2017, 08:13:10 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 10, 2017, 07:35:56 AM
anyone on here thinking it was just monaghan fans booing has got the red and white blinkers on im afraid. but thats par for the course with mickeys disciples. anyone trying to offer any objective analysis on here is pillorised for being anti mickey. tyrone play an awful brand of shite football. whos fault is that? ulster football is rife with it go back to the kerry game in 03 thats where the modern virus started. mcguiness improved it and harte and most of the ulster mangers club and county are now developing it further. wether your a harte fan or not you cant argue with that fact. fans are turning off it in their droves thats why harte has no views on the super 8 as it has been a consequence of his and others shite football. kids are turning off this shit in their droves. we were an embarrasment against mayo last year negative and boring and our lack of footballers badly exposed bar petey sludden and mattie. tyrone are not rated in the south bar the odd kerryman usually an o se whos paid a few bucks by the irish news and is still hurting from the noughties.

I wasn't convinced til you pointed this out. Now I'm with you. Once we stop being rated in the south bar the odd Kerryman it's time to take stock. I'm not sure what they think in my beloved Nobber but if they rate us poorly I'll be devastated. Maybe you know?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 10, 2017, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 10, 2017, 07:35:56 AM
anyone on here thinking it was just monaghan fans booing has got the red and white blinkers on im afraid. but thats par for the course with mickeys disciples. anyone trying to offer any objective analysis on here is pillorised for being anti mickey. tyrone play an awful brand of shite football. whos fault is that? ulster football is rife with it go back to the kerry game in 03 thats where the modern virus started. mcguiness improved it and harte and most of the ulster mangers club and county are now developing it further. wether your a harte fan or not you cant argue with that fact. fans are turning off it in their droves thats why harte has no views on the super 8 as it has been a consequence of his and others shite football. kids are turning off this shit in their droves. we were an embarrasment against mayo last year negative and boring and our lack of footballers badly exposed bar petey sludden and mattie. tyrone are not rated in the south bar the odd kerryman usually an o se whos paid a few bucks by the irish news and is still hurting from the noughties.

sort your pitch out and shut up!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 10, 2017, 09:12:32 PM
Is the show about the mcguigans on tonight?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 10, 2017, 10:41:35 PM
That RTE ban does Tyrone players no good, deprives them of chance of profile. Is it going to go on forever? Watching Trading Places that won't feature Mattie or Sean at any time... Wondering do the Tyrone players watch it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 10, 2017, 11:02:31 PM
the rte ban expires along with mickeys contract at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 10, 2017, 11:04:30 PM
when you see players going on RTE after they are finished with Tyrone is obvious who is driving the RTE ban... not the players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 10, 2017, 11:14:30 PM
it was never the players. mickey first took it upon himself to stop talking to rte after brian carthy was refused a promotion with rte. this was may 2011, then after the distasteful radio sketch it became a blanket ban at hartes insistance. its a disgrace to think that tyrone players receiving man of the match awards cant even come on to rte and do a bit of an interview. all because of one dictator.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 10, 2017, 11:34:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 10, 2017, 11:14:30 PM
it was never the players. mickey first took it upon himself to stop talking to rte after brian carthy was refused a promotion with rte. this was may 2011, then after the distasteful radio sketch it became a blanket ban at hartes insistance. its a disgrace to think that tyrone players receiving man of the match awards cant even come on to rte and do a bit of an interview. all because of one dictator.

If you had a strong enough argument you would put it forward instead of this nonsense.

RTE should be boycotted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 10, 2017, 11:40:41 PM
im not trying to argue anything, im just stating facts. all relevant info regarding the ban can be found online. but i suppose it wouldnt be right to say anything negative about saint mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 10, 2017, 11:47:25 PM
Lets get to the very serious subject of Peter Harte. I've watched Conor meyler in the sigerson final I've watched Niall sludden against Dublin this last few weeks, I'm genuinely thinking these boys are the real deal as far as running at defences' breaking tackles at speed and ultimately showing bravery on the ball. Peter Harte on the other hand does tend to slow play up more often than not and it is quite obvious he doesn't have that wee bit of stuff meyler or sludden has. People may say Peter Harte played well against mayo last year but again the slow laborious style of Tyrone suits this player. There is no doubt in my mind Mickey Harte plays this way to accommodate his nephew. If Tyrone played a more open attractive style Peter Harte would be badly exposed on a one on one situation as was evidence against donegals Ryan McHugh in the Ulster final. In the end up this player was put into midfield! Overrated all day long.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 10, 2017, 11:58:19 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 10, 2017, 11:40:41 PM
im not trying to argue anything, im just stating facts. all relevant info regarding the ban can be found online. but i suppose it wouldnt be right to say anything negative about saint mickey.

The sun is round and orange, therefore the sun must be an orange.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 11, 2017, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on March 10, 2017, 11:58:19 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 10, 2017, 11:40:41 PM
im not trying to argue anything, im just stating facts. all relevant info regarding the ban can be found online. but i suppose it wouldnt be right to say anything negative about saint mickey.

The sun is round and orange, therefore the sun must be an orange.
your post made no sense,therefore you must be thick.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 11, 2017, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 10, 2017, 11:47:25 PM
Lets get to the very serious subject of Peter Harte. I've watched Conor meyler in the sigerson final I've watched Niall sludden against Dublin this last few weeks, I'm genuinely thinking these boys are the real deal as far as running at defences' breaking tackles at speed and ultimately showing bravery on the ball. Peter Harte on the other hand does tend to slow play up more often than not and it is quite obvious he doesn't have that wee bit of stuff meyler or sludden has. People may say Peter Harte played well against mayo last year but again the slow laborious style of Tyrone suits this player. There is no doubt in my mind Mickey Harte plays this way to accommodate his nephew. If Tyrone played a more open attractive style Peter Harte would be badly exposed on a one on one situation as was evidence against donegals Ryan McHugh in the Ulster final. In the end up this player was put into midfield! Overrated all day long.
Youre head is away if you think that. Harte is a key player for Tyrone because he is an excellent footballer. Would start on any team in Ireland not a problem.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 11, 2017, 07:17:18 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 10, 2017, 11:47:25 PM
Lets get to the very serious subject of Peter Harte. I've watched Conor meyler in the sigerson final I've watched Niall sludden against Dublin this last few weeks, I'm genuinely thinking these boys are the real deal as far as running at defences' breaking tackles at speed and ultimately showing bravery on the ball. Peter Harte on the other hand does tend to slow play up more often than not and it is quite obvious he doesn't have that wee bit of stuff meyler or sludden has. People may say Peter Harte played well against mayo last year but again the slow laborious style of Tyrone suits this player. There is no doubt in my mind Mickey Harte plays this way to accommodate his nephew. If Tyrone played a more open attractive style Peter Harte would be badly exposed on a one on one situation as was evidence against donegals Ryan McHugh in the Ulster final. In the end up this player was put into midfield! Overrated all day long.

Agreed, there are 14 other men plus those coming in that unwittingly have their game tailored to suit Peter Harte. 
I've no doubt in my mind you have sat and studied this in depth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 11, 2017, 07:38:33 AM
Ignore this is just a Harte attack
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 11, 2017, 08:05:59 AM
Looking forward to seeing Cavan tomorrow and witnessing first hand the attacking plan that big Mattie has brought to Cavan. Hopefully he'll get the Tyrone job next year, drop Peter Harte and sign the players up for a fly on the wall access all areas documentary for RTE.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 11, 2017, 09:17:14 AM
We've now moved on from Mattie to Malachy orourke I think. If we could get him we would be able to enjoy the all out attacking football he has brought to Monaghan. Their tactics are vastly different to Tyrone and they average 20 points a game (would never score say 7 points in a game). He gets the most out of his players in every game and they'd never lose a championship game at home to Longford for example.

Since we last won the all Ireland in 08 harte's record has been terrible. We've only won 3 ulster titles which is way behind all the other Ulster counties especially Donegal. If only he'd let the players talk to rte they'd have taken the goal chances and hit the frees v Kerry in 15 and mccurry and mccarron would have kicked their chances over the bar v Mayo last year. Worst of all Harte paid Pete McGrath to put his nephew on the Ulster team and even take the frees, sure he's no where near that standard.

Let's hope this time next year one of these master attacking coaches is in and we could maybe dream of being top of division 1.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 10, 2017, 11:04:30 PM
when you see players going on RTE after they are finished with Tyrone is obvious who is driving the RTE ban... not the players

Ex Tyrone players.

McCarron was meant to appear on RTE this year before RTE pulled it. It hasn't impacted his career under Harte.

Why don't you go on back to Derry?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 11, 2017, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 10, 2017, 11:04:30 PM
when you see players going on RTE after they are finished with Tyrone is obvious who is driving the RTE ban... not the players

Ex Tyrone players.

McCarron was meant to appear on RTE this year before RTE pulled it. It hasn't impacted his career under Harte.

Why don't you go on back to Derry?

If they believed the boycott was justified they would have the courage of their convictions not to go rte at any stage. Some of those players boycotted rte for years and then a few weeks after retiring were straight onto the sunday game. That says to me they didn't really believe the boycott was justified, they were only doing it to ensure their place in the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 11, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 11, 2017, 02:08:17 PM

If they believed the boycott was justified they would have the courage of their convictions not to go rte at any stage. Some of those players boycotted rte for years and then a few weeks after retiring were straight onto the sunday game. That says to me they didn't really believe the boycott was justified, they were only doing it to ensure their place in the team.

I suppose you could say the same about the drink ban.
I saw a recently retired player having a pint the night before a game. That says to me he never believed in the drink ban, if he did he'd still be honoring the ban into retirement.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 11, 2017, 03:44:03 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on March 11, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 11, 2017, 02:08:17 PM

If they believed the boycott was justified they would have the courage of their convictions not to go rte at any stage. Some of those players boycotted rte for years and then a few weeks after retiring were straight onto the sunday game. That says to me they didn't really believe the boycott was justified, they were only doing it to ensure their place in the team.

I suppose you could say the same about the drink ban.
I saw a recently retired player having a pint the night before a game. That says to me he never believed in the drink ban, if he did he'd still be honoring the ban into retirement.

I can't believe those lads have shaved their beards off!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 11, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Bit different a beard gimmick and taking a moral stand against RTE... if they feel that strongly then stay off RTE, Harte was furious with boys went on RTE but had no more control over them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 11, 2017, 06:48:46 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on March 11, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 11, 2017, 02:08:17 PM

If they believed the boycott was justified they would have the courage of their convictions not to go rte at any stage. Some of those players boycotted rte for years and then a few weeks after retiring were straight onto the sunday game. That says to me they didn't really believe the boycott was justified, they were only doing it to ensure their place in the team.

I suppose you could say the same about the drink ban.
I saw a recently retired player having a pint the night before a game. That says to me he never believed in the drink ban, if he did he'd still be honoring the ban into retirement.

Funny I saw a recently retired tyrone walking down the street and someone bumped into him and he managed to stay on his feet, he didn't dive to the ground. So maybe he never believed in the diving culture. I don't think they have a moral objection to a drink ban, not really the same thing but nice attempt to be facetious.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 07:16:25 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 11, 2017, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 10, 2017, 11:04:30 PM
when you see players going on RTE after they are finished with Tyrone is obvious who is driving the RTE ban... not the players

Ex Tyrone players.

McCarron was meant to appear on RTE this year before RTE pulled it. It hasn't impacted his career under Harte.

Why don't you go on back to Derry?

If they believed the boycott was justified they would have the courage of their convictions not to go rte at any stage. Some of those players boycotted rte for years and then a few weeks after retiring were straight onto the sunday game. That says to me they didn't really believe the boycott was justified, they were only doing it to ensure their place in the team.

Think you've let your double account slip there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
I think it's very obvious that Lenny is Longballin, southtyronegael and teaminamillion.

The levels he goes to in order to submit his bitterness is quite funny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 11, 2017, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 11, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Bit different a beard gimmick and taking a moral stand against RTE... if they feel that strongly then stay off RTE, Harte was furious with boys went on RTE but had no more control over them.

Who told you that Lenny? I'm sure you've got some credible source to back up the view that Harte was "furious" with them. When you are part of the collective group you go with the collective group decision, if your not, you don't. Not too hard to understand. The boycotting interviews is blown out of all proportion anyway. I'm sure the lads barely give it a second thought as there are so many media outlets these days but clearly it irks Derrymen enough to come on to a Tyrone thread to give off about it, so for that reason alone they are justified.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 11, 2017, 07:56:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 11, 2017, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 11, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Bit different a beard gimmick and taking a moral stand against RTE... if they feel that strongly then stay off RTE, Harte was furious with boys went on RTE but had no more control over them.

Who told you that Lenny? I'm sure you've got some credible source to back up the view that Harte was "furious" with them. When you are part of the collective group you go with the collective group decision, if your not, you don't. Not too hard to understand. The boycotting interviews is blown out of all proportion anyway. I'm sure the lads barely give it a second thought as there are so many media outlets these days but clearly it irks Derrymen enough to come on to a Tyrone thread to give off about it, so for that reason alone they are justified.

You're a niaive lad  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 11, 2017, 10:33:51 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 11, 2017, 09:17:14 AM
We've now moved on from Mattie to Malachy orourke I think. If we could get him we would be able to enjoy the all out attacking football he has brought to Monaghan. Their tactics are vastly different to Tyrone and they average 20 points a game (would never score say 7 points in a game). He gets the most out of his players in every game and they'd never lose a championship game at home to Longford for example.

Since we last won the all Ireland in 08 harte's record has been terrible. We've only won 3 ulster titles which is way behind all the other Ulster counties especially Donegal. If only he'd let the players talk to rte they'd have taken the goal chances and hit the frees v Kerry in 15 and mccurry and mccarron would have kicked their chances over the bar v Mayo last year. Worst of all Harte paid Pete McGrath to put his nephew on the Ulster team and even take the frees, sure he's no where near that standard.

Let's hope this time next year one of these master attacking coaches is in and we could maybe dream of being top of division 1.

Tremendous!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 12, 2017, 11:30:29 AM
some of the mickey harte defending on here is really pathetic. anyone who dares to disagree is either from derry, has never played football, knows nothing about football etc. sad state of affairs but the REAL tyrone fans know things aint right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 12, 2017, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 12, 2017, 11:30:29 AM
some of the mickey harte defending on here is really pathetic. anyone who dares to disagree is either from derry, has never played football, knows nothing about football etc. sad state of affairs but the REAL tyrone fans know things aint right.

Very accurate depiction of the person behind your bizarre and bitter rantings.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2017, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 12, 2017, 11:30:29 AM
some of the mickey harte defending on here is really pathetic. anyone who dares to disagree is either from derry, has never played football, knows nothing about football etc. sad state of affairs but the REAL tyrone fans know things aint right.

Well genius features, perhaps instead of being top of Division 1 at this juncture, if Harte were any good at all we'd be in a whole new division, like Division 0?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 12, 2017, 07:29:30 PM
Id say Matty mcgleenan would be glad to have the talent Tyrone have at their disposal. Some people really are in a privileged position! I suppose we have to take into account it was Cavan after all. Its like groundhog day, flying in the McKenna cup spellbinding in the league an uninspiring run to croke park in August and then the customary fall to pieces against the real opposition! After that then some talk in the irish news about transition transition and another wee bit of transistion! Anyway I'm off to have some ice cream with a sprinkling of transition x
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 12, 2017, 07:32:52 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 12, 2017, 07:29:30 PM
Id say Matty mcgleenan would be glad to have the talent Tyrone have at their disposal. Some people really are in a privileged position! I suppose we have to take into account it was Cavan after all. Its like groundhog day, flying in the McKenna cup spellbinding in the league an uninspiring run to croke park in August and then the customary fall to pieces against the real opposition! After that then some talk in the irish news about transition transition and another wee bit of transistion! Anyway I'm off to have some ice cream with a sprinkling of transition x



On your way so Lenny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 12, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
I think it's very obvious that Lenny is Longballin, southtyronegael and teaminamillion.

The levels he goes to in order to submit his bitterness is quite funny.

Can you not believe more than one person is not a disciple of Mickey? A lot of people aren't that gullible
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 12, 2017, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 12, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
I think it's very obvious that Lenny is Longballin, southtyronegael and teaminamillion.

The levels he goes to in order to submit his bitterness is quite funny.

Can you not believe more than one person is not a disciple of Mickey? A lot of people aren't that gullible

I can Lenny but I think all of your accounts propose the same absolute nonsense again and again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 12, 2017, 08:08:39 PM
A very serious question I would like someone to answer. When our esteemed manager Mickey Harte told the Irish news in October 2013 he was going to "freshen up" his "management team", is it true   what he was really doing was just walking around his dressing room in garvaghy spraying a can of fabreze? Is this behaviour not odd??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 12, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 12, 2017, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 12, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
I think it's very obvious that Lenny is Longballin, southtyronegael and teaminamillion.

The levels he goes to in order to submit his bitterness is quite funny.

Can you not believe more than one person is not a disciple of Mickey? A lot of people aren't that gullible

I can Lenny but I think all of your accounts propose the same absolute nonsense again and again.

Lenny? who da fuc is Lenny?!  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 12, 2017, 09:19:48 PM
Tyrone Under 21 Panel. As named in todays programme.

Jody McGlone - Aghaloo
Benny Gallen - Aghayarn
Ciaran McGlinchey - Aghayarn
David Mulgrew - Ardboe
Michael O'Neill - Ardboe
Oisin Donnelly - Beragh
Conor Shields - Clogher
Rhys Quinn - Clonoe
Michael McKernan - Coalisland
Tomas Carney - Derrylaughan
Brian Kennedy - Derrylaughan
Emmet McNabb - Dromore
Peter Teague - Dromore
Paul Donaghy - Edendork
Conn Kilpatrick - Edendork
Niall Kelly - Errigal Ciaran
Pauric McAnenly - Errigal Ciaran
Ben McDonnell - Errigal Ciaran
Padraig McGirr - Errigal Ciaran
Conor Donnelly - Galbally
Liam Rafferty - Galbally
Nathan Donnelly - Killyclogher
Fergal Meenagh - Killyclogher
Cathal Donaghy - Loughmacrory
Conan McLernon - Moortown
Ryan Coleman - Moy
Michael Corrless - Newtonstewart
Aidan McSorely - Newtonstewart
Connor Traynor - Newtonstewart
Ryan Loughran - Pomeroy
Darran Devlin - Stewartstown
Macauley Quinn - Stewartstown
Johnny Harkin - Tattyreagh
Eoghan Murray - Tattyreagh
Lee Brennan - Trillick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 12, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at the starting line up

Can some one explain how to use the ignore function on gaaboards. Cheers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 12, 2017, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 12, 2017, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 12, 2017, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 11, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
I think it's very obvious that Lenny is Longballin, southtyronegael and teaminamillion.

The levels he goes to in order to submit his bitterness is quite funny.

Can you not believe more than one person is not a disciple of Mickey? A lot of people aren't that gullible

I can Lenny but I think all of your accounts propose the same absolute nonsense again and again.

http://www.rackafracka.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/616-Barking-up-the-wrong-tree-COLOR-c-e1412013978208.jpg

There's only one Lenny on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on March 12, 2017, 09:43:40 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 12, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at the starting line up

Can some one explain how to use the ignore function on gaaboards. Cheers

Deleting your account should solve the issue
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on March 12, 2017, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 12, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at the starting line up

Can some one explain how to use the ignore function on gaaboards. Cheers
Ill give it a go.
1. Benny Gallen
2. Darren Devlin
3. Peter Teague
4. Niall Kelly
5. Michael O'Neill
6. Michael McKernan
7. Eoghan Murray
8. Ben McDonnell
9. Conn Kilpatrick
10. Fergal Meenagh
11. David Mulgrew
12. Ryan Loughran
13. Lee Brennan
14. Ryan Coleman
15. Pauric McAnenly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2017, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 12, 2017, 08:08:39 PM
A very serious question I would like someone to answer. When our esteemed manager Mickey Harte told the Irish news in October 2013 he was going to "freshen up" his "management team", is it true   what he was really doing was just walking around his dressing room in garvaghy spraying a can of fabreze? Is this behaviour not odd??

What the fcuk are you on about? Go back to the back of beyond please, or pollute your local pisspot, again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 12, 2017, 10:30:18 PM
What does pollute local pisspot mean? Is this code for something?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 12, 2017, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on March 12, 2017, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 12, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at the starting line up

Can some one explain how to use the ignore function on gaaboards. Cheers
Ill give it a go.
1. Benny Gallen
2. Darren Devlin
3. Peter Teague
4. Niall Kelly
5. Michael O'Neill
6. Michael McKernan
7. Eoghan Murray
8. Ben McDonnell
9. Conn Kilpatrick
10. Fergal Meenagh
11. David Mulgrew
12. Ryan Loughran
13. Lee Brennan
14. Ryan Coleman
15. Pauric McAnenly

Not bad superstar.
Jody McGlone will start at wing back. Going well. McKernan key man at 6 and probably Paudi McGirr at left half. Ben McDonald and Fergal Meenagh likely to start in middle. Muldrew likely to start at 11 and move to wing back during game . Big Brian Kennedy will probably start at 14 with Coleman or Loughran. Brennan has a free role.
The bench is good with loads of game changers.

Donegal lost to Sligo during the week and they have injuries to key men so I'd give us an excellent chance here. Should be good game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 12, 2017, 11:13:00 PM
Some stuff being talked about Harte.
We're top of Div 1, favourites for Ulster cship, playing well but still some people say things aren't right!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 12, 2017, 11:35:05 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 12, 2017, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on March 12, 2017, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 12, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at the starting line up

Can some one explain how to use the ignore function on gaaboards. Cheers
Ill give it a go.
1. Benny Gallen
2. Darren Devlin
3. Peter Teague
4. Niall Kelly
5. Michael O'Neill
6. Michael McKernan
7. Eoghan Murray
8. Ben McDonnell
9. Conn Kilpatrick
10. Fergal Meenagh
11. David Mulgrew
12. Ryan Loughran
13. Lee Brennan
14. Ryan Coleman
15. Pauric McAnenly

Not bad superstar.
Jody McGlone will start at wing back. Going well. McKernan key man at 6 and probably Paudi McGirr at left half. Ben McDonald and Fergal Meenagh likely to start in middle. Muldrew likely to start at 11 and move to wing back during game . Big Brian Kennedy will probably start at 14 with Coleman or Loughran. Brennan has a free role.
The bench is good with loads of game changers.

Donegal lost to Sligo during the week and they have injuries to key men so I'd give us an excellent chance here. Should be good game.

The Donegal team is serious, they could literally win it out. Those in the very west of Tyrone have been hearing the noises the last few months.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 12, 2017, 11:55:44 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 12, 2017, 11:35:05 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 12, 2017, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: superstar_ on March 12, 2017, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 12, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at the starting line up

Can some one explain how to use the ignore function on gaaboards. Cheers
Ill give it a go.
1. Benny Gallen
2. Darren Devlin
3. Peter Teague
4. Niall Kelly
5. Michael O'Neill
6. Michael McKernan
7. Eoghan Murray
8. Ben McDonnell
9. Conn Kilpatrick
10. Fergal Meenagh
11. David Mulgrew
12. Ryan Loughran
13. Lee Brennan
14. Ryan Coleman
15. Pauric McAnenly

Not bad superstar.
Jody McGlone will start at wing back. Going well. McKernan key man at 6 and probably Paudi McGirr at left half. Ben McDonald and Fergal Meenagh likely to start in middle. Muldrew likely to start at 11 and move to wing back during game . Big Brian Kennedy will probably start at 14 with Coleman or Loughran. Brennan has a free role.
The bench is good with loads of game changers.

Donegal lost to Sligo during the week and they have injuries to key men so I'd give us an excellent chance here. Should be good game.

The Donegal team is serious, they could literally win it out. Those in the very west of Tyrone have been hearing the noises the last few months.

What noises? Tell us more
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 13, 2017, 10:20:07 AM
Division 1 Cillian O'Connor, Mayo 1-22 (25)
Dean Rock, Dublin 0-25 (25)
Paul Geaney, Kerry 3-15 (24)
Ciarain Murtagh, Roscommon 2-8 (14)
Conor McManus, Monaghan 0-14 (14)
Michael Murphy, Donegal 1-10 (13)
Ciaran Thompson, Donegal 0-13 (13)
Seanie Johnston, Cavan 0-11 (11)

Top scorers so far, I think it's good that Tyrone have scorers from all over the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on March 13, 2017, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 13, 2017, 10:20:07 AM
Division 1 Cillian O'Connor, Mayo 1-22 (25)
Dean Rock, Dublin 0-25 (25)
Paul Geaney, Kerry 3-15 (24)
Ciarain Murtagh, Roscommon 2-8 (14)
Conor McManus, Monaghan 0-14 (14)
Michael Murphy, Donegal 1-10 (13)
Ciaran Thompson, Donegal 0-13 (13)
Seanie Johnston, Cavan 0-11 (11)

Top scorers so far, I think it's good that Tyrone have scorers from all over the field.

Who is Tyrone's top scorer?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 13, 2017, 12:46:08 PM
v CAVAN  Scorers for Tyrone: Peter Harte 0-4 (4f), Sean Cavanagh 0-3 (3f), Mark Bradley 0-3, Ronan O'Neill 0-2 Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty, Mattie Donnelly, Kieran McGeary, Darren McCurry, Tiernan McCann 0-1 each, Niall Morgan 0-1 (f
V MONAGHAN Scorers for Tyrone: Peter Harte 0-4 (2f), Sean Cavanagh 0-3 (2f), Darren McCurry 0-2, Tiernan McCann 0-2, Justin McMahon 0-1, Frank Burns 0-1, Conor Meyler 0-1
V DUBLIN Scorers for Tyrone: Aidan McCrory 1-0, Niall Sludden 0-3, Peter Harte 0-2 (2f), Declan McClure 0-1, Conor Meyler 0-1
V ROSCOMMON Scorers for Tyrone: Peter Harte 0-4 (3fs), Ronan O'Neill 0-3 (3fs), Niall Sludden 0-2, Darren McCurry 0-2, (1 45), Mark Bradley (0-2), Tiernan McCann (0-1), Jonathan Monroe (0-1), Colm Cavanagh (0-1), Conan McCann (0-1), Conor Meyler (0-1).

These would put Harte above a few
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on March 13, 2017, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 13, 2017, 12:46:08 PM
v CAVAN  Scorers for Tyrone: Peter Harte 0-4 (4f), Sean Cavanagh 0-3 (3f), Mark Bradley 0-3, Ronan O'Neill 0-2 Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty, Mattie Donnelly, Kieran McGeary, Darren McCurry, Tiernan McCann 0-1 each, Niall Morgan 0-1 (f
V MONAGHAN Scorers for Tyrone: Peter Harte 0-4 (2f), Sean Cavanagh 0-3 (2f), Darren McCurry 0-2, Tiernan McCann 0-2, Justin McMahon 0-1, Frank Burns 0-1, Conor Meyler 0-1
V DUBLIN Scorers for Tyrone: Aidan McCrory 1-0, Niall Sludden 0-3, Peter Harte 0-2 (2f), Declan McClure 0-1, Conor Meyler 0-1
V ROSCOMMON Scorers for Tyrone: Peter Harte 0-4 (3fs), Ronan O'Neill 0-3 (3fs), Niall Sludden 0-2, Darren McCurry 0-2, (1 45), Mark Bradley (0-2), Tiernan McCann (0-1), Jonathan Monroe (0-1), Colm Cavanagh (0-1), Conan McCann (0-1), Conor Meyler (0-1).

These would put Harte above a few

Harte sittin on 14 pts from half back, not a bad return even though alot are from freee the ball still has to be kicked between the posts!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 13, 2017, 01:28:46 PM
19 diff scorers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on March 13, 2017, 04:50:16 PM
Any word of League fixtures??? Starts in a few weeks and no one knows what's happening!!! What is the hold up??? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: keepherlit on March 13, 2017, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: driveherin on March 13, 2017, 04:50:16 PM
Any word of League fixtures??? Starts in a few weeks and no one knows what's happening!!! What is the hold up??? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Supposed to be out this week. If Tyrone make it to league final won't start until Sat 15th April.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 13, 2017, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 13, 2017, 10:20:07 AM
Division 1 Cillian O'Connor, Mayo 1-22 (25)
Dean Rock, Dublin 0-25 (25)
Paul Geaney, Kerry 3-15 (24)
Ciarain Murtagh, Roscommon 2-8 (14)
Conor McManus, Monaghan 0-14 (14)
Michael Murphy, Donegal 1-10 (13)
Ciaran Thompson, Donegal 0-13 (13)
Seanie Johnston, Cavan 0-11 (11)

Top scorers so far, I think it's good that Tyrone have scorers from all over the field.

Couldn't disagree more. The above named players almost certainly GUARANTEE their teams regular scores per game. Tyrone have no reliable person who you can be confident will get you the scores needed to get over the line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 13, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
What's the expectations for the u21s this year?

We haven't pulled any trees at minor level in the past 3 years. One win against Down back in 2014 and three defeats to Monaghan, Donegal and Derry. Apart from Brennan, Mulgrew and McKernan there wouldn't be too many players there who would be weighted in expectation for the future as well, that I know of anyway.

On the plus side we have a good management side in place and they will have had full access to the whole panel in preparation to the build up in comparison to Donegal say who will have had a lot of players involved with seniors and who have picked up injuries as well.

Could well turn out to be a very good side but a lot of them would be unknown of players as of yet in comparison to previous U21 sides.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on March 13, 2017, 05:55:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 13, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
What's the expectations for the u21s this year?

We haven't pulled any trees at minor level in the past 3 years. One win against Down back in 2014 and three defeats to Monaghan, Donegal and Derry. Apart from Brennan, Mulgrew and McKernan there wouldn't be too many players there who would be weighted in expectation for the future as well, that I know of anyway.

On the plus side we have a good management side in place and they will have had full access to the whole panel in preparation to the build up in comparison to Donegal say who will have had a lot of players involved with seniors and who have picked up injuries as well.

Could well turn out to be a very good side but a lot of them would be unknown of players as of yet in comparison to previous U21 sides.
Surely they should be winning this with all these great players and even better management
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 13, 2017, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Club boi on March 13, 2017, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 13, 2017, 10:20:07 AM
Division 1 Cillian O'Connor, Mayo 1-22 (25)
Dean Rock, Dublin 0-25 (25)
Paul Geaney, Kerry 3-15 (24)
Ciarain Murtagh, Roscommon 2-8 (14)
Conor McManus, Monaghan 0-14 (14)
Michael Murphy, Donegal 1-10 (13)
Ciaran Thompson, Donegal 0-13 (13)
Seanie Johnston, Cavan 0-11 (11)

Top scorers so far, I think it's good that Tyrone have scorers from all over the field.

Couldn't disagree more. The above named players almost certainly GUARANTEE their teams regular scores per game. Tyrone have no reliable person who you can be confident will get you the scores needed to get over the line

Tyrone just don't have this type of player at the minute so it makes sense to have a game plan which spreads the scores. An over reliance on one man isn't a good thing. Look at Monaghans inability to get past the last 8 every year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 13, 2017, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 13, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
What's the expectations for the u21s this year?

We haven't pulled any trees at minor level in the past 3 years. One win against Down back in 2014 and three defeats to Monaghan, Donegal and Derry. Apart from Brennan, Mulgrew and McKernan there wouldn't be too many players there who would be weighted in expectation for the future as well, that I know of anyway.

On the plus side we have a good management side in place and they will have had full access to the whole panel in preparation to the build up in comparison to Donegal say who will have had a lot of players involved with seniors and who have picked up injuries as well.

Could well turn out to be a very good side but a lot of them would be unknown of players as of yet in comparison to previous U21 sides.

I've seen the 21s a few times this year cos of nephew in the panel and I'd be impressed with the set up. We beat a lot of very good sides including Dublin, Cork, Down, Slaughtneil and Kildare. Make no mistake we're very well prepared for this game. Donegal should be equally strong but most definitely haven't been going as well. The reliable word is they've struggled to get players together and have half a dozen key men injured.
I don't really know what to expect but from what I've seen we are in a damn good position to win this one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleafgael on March 13, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 13, 2017, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 13, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
What's the expectations for the u21s this year?

We haven't pulled any trees at minor level in the past 3 years. One win against Down back in 2014 and three defeats to Monaghan, Donegal and Derry. Apart from Brennan, Mulgrew and McKernan there wouldn't be too many players there who would be weighted in expectation for the future as well, that I know of anyway.

On the plus side we have a good management side in place and they will have had full access to the whole panel in preparation to the build up in comparison to Donegal say who will have had a lot of players involved with seniors and who have picked up injuries as well.

Could well turn out to be a very good side but a lot of them would be unknown of players as of yet in comparison to previous U21 sides.

I've seen the 21s a few times this year cos of nephew in the panel and I'd be impressed with the set up. We beat a lot of very good sides including Dublin, Cork, Down, Slaughtneil and Kildare. Make no mistake we're very well prepared for this game. Donegal should be equally strong but most definitely haven't been going as well. The reliable word is they've struggled to get players together and have half a dozen key men injured.
I don't really know what to expect but from what I've seen we are in a damn good position to win this one.

Not that it matters in the bigger scheme of things but they didn't beat Slaughtneil.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 13, 2017, 09:37:44 PM
I was at the Slaughtneil game. I thought we won by a couple of points no? It was a tight enough game. It was abandoned by the referee after 15mins after a melee. Ref had to be persuaded to come back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 14, 2017, 10:54:25 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/red-hand-on-hunt-for-goals-with-donnelly-experiment-35528312.html

Are we changing our style? Are we hitting in more long balls the last few games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 14, 2017, 02:02:07 PM
Think most people prefer Mattie Donnelly driving at opposition defence like we are used to - but this is a nice mix up in tactics, it's been obvious Tyrone are light up front (without Cavanagh) and maybe these two paired in the full forward line with a Mark Bradley playing just off them could cause chaos, certainly something they should give a go considering the year has went very well for Tyrone so far.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 14, 2017, 03:52:02 PM
This year has been going good, however, this isnt directly due to Sean and Mattie in FF. I am struggling to think one score that came from early, long ball into them. Would this be correct?

Now I'm not saying this should be abandoned as I think it's the right way to go. Maybe their presence is causing teams to focus more energy to cover them and allowing more space out the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 14, 2017, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 13, 2017, 09:37:44 PM
I was at the Slaughtneil game. I thought we won by a couple of points no? It was a tight enough game. It was abandoned by the referee after 15mins after a melee. Ref had to be persuaded to come back.

I heard Tyrone u-21s beat Slaughtneil too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 14, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 14, 2017, 03:52:02 PM
This year has been going good, however, this isnt directly due to Sean and Mattie in FF. I am struggling to think one score that came from early, long ball into them. Would this be correct?

Now I'm not saying this should be abandoned as I think it's the right way to go. Maybe their presence is causing teams to focus more energy to cover them and allowing more space out the field.

Sunday was the first time it was tried with the two of them on so I think it'll need a bit more time to see how it works out. There is no way they'll both stay in there for full games but they can be moved in an out. On Sunday Mattie scored a point but I think he won another 3 frees which were scored. He needs to work on what he does when he gets the ball but he definitely got his hands on a lot more ball than some of our full forward line usually do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 14, 2017, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 14, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 14, 2017, 03:52:02 PM
This year has been going good, however, this isnt directly due to Sean and Mattie in FF. I am struggling to think one score that came from early, long ball into them. Would this be correct?

Now I'm not saying this should be abandoned as I think it's the right way to go. Maybe their presence is causing teams to focus more energy to cover them and allowing more space out the field.

Sunday was the first time it was tried with the two of them on so I think it'll need a bit more time to see how it works out. There is no way they'll both stay in there for full games but they can be moved in an out. On Sunday Mattie scored a point but I think he won another 3 frees which were scored. He needs to work on what he does when he gets the ball but he definitely got his hands on a lot more ball than some of our full forward line usually do.

Donnelly will never be as influential in there as he is out the pitch but the question is can we afford to let one of our best players play a more sporadic role in the hope he can be decisive in that time.

That's really what needs to be figured out at the minute. Using Donnelly inside will likely mean an opportunity for the likes of Meyler, McGeary, McClure, McNulty etc so if they grab their chance and contribute significantly then I think it may be something worth persevering with.

I think Meyler has been brilliant so far and if he keeps it up deserves a starting spot, McClure also at the minute but bigger challenges lie ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 15, 2017, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 14, 2017, 10:54:25 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/red-hand-on-hunt-for-goals-with-donnelly-experiment-35528312.html

Are we changing our style? Are we hitting in more long balls the last few games?

Good to see and I think Harte is finally beginning to listen to some of the lads on here who have been very vocal in criticising the horrible style of play over the last few years. I have saying for a few years now that tyrone are far too one dimensional to be competing against the big teams. Also good to see that harte is man enough to admit that he has been wrong and to change the style of play. Unlike some of his diehard supporters on here who could never bring themselves to criticise him when a blind man could see the obvious faults.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: thewobbler on March 16, 2017, 07:30:48 AM
Tyrone folks, I noticed there was a huge turnover in players between your u21 team last night and when those fellas were minors in 2014.


Tyrone minors 2014 - P O'Neill, D Mullan, P O'Neill, N Kelly, E McGarrity [0-2], R Quinn, R Samir, R Nugent [0-1], M Quinn [0-2], P McAnenly [0-2], C McKenna [0-3], J Darcy [0-1], L Brennan [0-4], C O'Hagan, F McClure [1-1]. Subs – K Coney for R Quinn, J Lafferty [0-1] for Brennan, R Coleman for McKenna, C McLernon [0-1] for O'Hagan, B Kennedy for Nugent


Tyrone u21 2017 – B Gallen, N Kelly, P Teague, C Shields, L Rafferty (0-1), M McKernan, F Meenagh (0-1), B O'Donnell, R Loughran, M O'Neill (0-1), D Mulgrew (0-4), N Donnelly (0-1), L Brennan (0-3, 2f, 1 "45"), B Kennedy, P Donaghy (0-1). Subs – C McLernon (0-1) for Kennedy, J Harkin (0-1) for O'Donnell, E McNabb for Donaghy, R Coleman for Loughran (black card), Donaghy for O'Neill, P McAnenly for Mulgrew


2 starters remain: Kelly corner back, Brennan corner forward. McAnenly came in as a sub last night and started in 2014. Coleman and McLernon subs on both matches.

David Mulgrew was injured in 2014 or would have started.

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It surely couldn't be normal for 16 out of 22 faces to change in such a short period of time - especially as team 1 were talented enough to destroy Down within 10 minutes of throw in.

Anyone explain the turnover?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on March 16, 2017, 08:58:16 AM
In Omagh watching the match last night. Hoped to see good game. What rubbish. That'll do me for county games. What is these super coaches doing with these cubs kept under lock and key for months???? And as for all the men cryin bout harte and looking the u21 managers installed - you'd just be getting even more negative garbage!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 16, 2017, 10:59:12 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 16, 2017, 07:30:48 AM
Tyrone folks, I noticed there was a huge turnover in players between your u21 team last night and when those fellas were minors in 2014.


Tyrone minors 2014 - P O'Neill, D Mullan, P O'Neill, N Kelly, E McGarrity [0-2], R Quinn, R Samir, R Nugent [0-1], M Quinn [0-2], P McAnenly [0-2], C McKenna [0-3], J Darcy [0-1], L Brennan [0-4], C O'Hagan, F McClure [1-1]. Subs – K Coney for R Quinn, J Lafferty [0-1] for Brennan, R Coleman for McKenna, C McLernon [0-1] for O'Hagan, B Kennedy for Nugent


Tyrone u21 2017 – B Gallen, N Kelly, P Teague, C Shields, L Rafferty (0-1), M McKernan, F Meenagh (0-1), B O'Donnell, R Loughran, M O'Neill (0-1), D Mulgrew (0-4), N Donnelly (0-1), L Brennan (0-3, 2f, 1 "45"), B Kennedy, P Donaghy (0-1). Subs – C McLernon (0-1) for Kennedy, J Harkin (0-1) for O'Donnell, E McNabb for Donaghy, R Coleman for Loughran (black card), Donaghy for O'Neill, P McAnenly for Mulgrew


2 starters remain: Kelly corner back, Brennan corner forward. McAnenly came in as a sub last night and started in 2014. Coleman and McLernon subs on both matches.

David Mulgrew was injured in 2014 or would have started.

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It surely couldn't be normal for 16 out of 22 faces to change in such a short period of time - especially as team 1 were talented enough to destroy Down within 10 minutes of throw in.

Anyone explain the turnover?
Whilst not many 15-16 year olds are well enough developed to play minor football a lot more 18-19 year olds are able to play u-21's so some players who may have been there at u-18 can be overtaken by subsequent minors.
Add in players developing later or developing outside the academy system from which the minors are picked, e.g. the 2 Killyclogher lads proved themselves in Senior club football, there is plenty of scope for other players to come in.
It perhaps shows the u-21 management are not blinded by previous performance and are looking at players on current merit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: scout on March 16, 2017, 12:49:04 PM
Knew looking at the team that started, wouldnt be too long for a few boys to be found out and get the hook. No idea why it takes to the first competitive game for this to be the case.

McLernon, McNabb both should be starting from what i can see. Podge McAnenly?? another that has more to offer. Thought midfield was quite poor. and Lee Brennan really was poor, bar few frees. No surprise why he's barely featured for tyrone, despite being in the squad for nearly 4 years. DD Mulgrew looked twice the player imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 16, 2017, 02:45:52 PM
Why is Carmen the only club who were wise enough to avail of the free fuel Arlene scheme you would think Garvaghey would have been in on it as well.Could have paid for the extras for the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 16, 2017, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: Bring back club football on March 16, 2017, 08:58:16 AM
In Omagh watching the match last night. Hoped to see good game. What rubbish. That'll do me for county games. What is these super coaches doing with these cubs kept under lock and key for months???? And as for all the men cryin bout harte and looking the u21 managers installed - you'd just be getting even more negative garbage!!!!!!!!

Get a grip of yourself. Logan has the boys very well drilled and I was impressed with us last night. Should have won the game and left it behind us. The only problem I had is that we seemed to start a team weaker than the one that finished. We mightn't get away with that again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 16, 2017, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: scout on March 16, 2017, 12:49:04 PM
Knew looking at the team that started, wouldnt be too long for a few boys to be found out and get the hook. No idea why it takes to the first competitive game for this to be the case.

McLernon, McNabb both should be starting from what i can see. Podge McAnenly?? another that has more to offer. Thought midfield was quite poor. and Lee Brennan really was poor, bar few frees. No surprise why he's barely featured for tyrone, despite being in the squad for nearly 4 years. DD Mulgrew looked twice the player imo.

Agree with this. Brennan is a class act but was no where to be seen last night. Other sub's had big impact. Brian Kennedy is nowhere near the standard required. Not convinced by Ben McDonald either. A black card merchant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 16, 2017, 05:53:27 PM
Quote from: Bring back club football on March 16, 2017, 08:58:16 AM
In Omagh watching the match last night. Hoped to see good game. What rubbish. That'll do me for county games. What is these super coaches doing with these cubs kept under lock and key for months???? And as for all the men cryin bout harte and looking the u21 managers installed - you'd just be getting even more negative garbage!!!!!!!!

We played them in a friendly in early january and I did tell you'd the brand of football they play is awful!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on March 16, 2017, 07:03:37 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 16, 2017, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: Bring back club football on March 16, 2017, 08:58:16 AM
In Omagh watching the match last night. Hoped to see good game. What rubbish. That'll do me for county games. What is these super coaches doing with these cubs kept under lock and key for months???? And as for all the men cryin bout harte and looking the u21 managers installed - you'd just be getting even more negative garbage!!!!!!!!

Get a grip of yourself. Logan has the boys very well drilled and I was impressed with us last night. Should have won the game and left it behind us. The only problem I had is that we seemed to start a team weaker than the one that finished. We mightn't get away with that again
They've been in camp months and treated like senior team - need a be well drilled for gods sake  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 16, 2017, 10:18:50 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 16, 2017, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: Bring back club football on March 16, 2017, 08:58:16 AM
In Omagh watching the match last night. Hoped to see good game. What rubbish. That'll do me for county games. What is these super coaches doing with these cubs kept under lock and key for months???? And as for all the men cryin bout harte and looking the u21 managers installed - you'd just be getting even more negative garbage!!!!!!!!

Get a grip of yourself. Logan has the boys very well drilled and I was impressed with us last night. Should have won the game and left it behind us. The only problem I had is that we seemed to start a team weaker than the one that finished. We mightn't get away with that again
Should've won it?
I'd Donegal had their shooting boots on they would have been out of sight. Tyrone did well to stay in it and could have stole it but for a good save.
No leaders out there. 3 minutes of injury time and she we got a free on the 40 we kicked it backwards.
Mulgrew and McKiernan handled a lot of ball but it was all Ciaran Kilkenny stuff, loads of lateral passes and no real end product.
McNabba and Mc Larnon at least took men on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on March 16, 2017, 11:21:26 PM
Considering this team got stuffed by Donegal at minor level and failed to score against them in the 2nd half.
Then I would say they are not doing too bad to get a replay and almost beat a fancied Donegal team
Who reached an AI Final at minor. Many of the Donegal players are on their senior panel and they still failed to beat a young Tyrone team at this level.
Also I would say if they played a nice open game 15v 15 one on one then they would have got tanked
Like they did at minors ( and most on here would not be happy) Instead the management have shown that they can take a limited enough group and make them competitive. No one complained about their style of football when they won the AI, you have to work with the material at your disposal and they have shown that they can do that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 16, 2017, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on March 16, 2017, 11:21:26 PM
Considering this team got stuffed by Donegal at minor level and failed to score against them in the 2nd half.
Then I would say they are not doing too bad to get a replay and almost beat a fancied Donegal team
Who reached an AI Final at minor. Many of the Donegal players are on their senior panel and they still failed to beat a young Tyrone team at this level.
Also I would say if they played a nice open game 15v 15 one on one then they would have got tanked
Like they did at minors ( and most on here would not be happy) Instead the management have shown that they can take a limited enough group and make them competitive. No one complained about their style of football when they won the AI, you have to work with the material at your disposal and they have shown that they can do that.

Monaghan beat them at minor level in the cship, not Donegal. We severely underachieved 3 years ago.

The time, energy and money that has gone into this u21 side has been phenominal. Fergal Logan can be proud of last night, now to next Wed night to finish the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on March 16, 2017, 11:59:11 PM
Most of the team who played last night played v Donegal 2 years ago
And failed to score in 2nd half and were well defeated. That's a big improvement no matter how things go in replay.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 17, 2017, 08:21:31 AM
u 21 team are the golden eggs from the much vaunted acadamey hen and garvaghey coup. they are under severe pressure to deliver for benny rooster and his revamped set up maybe that explains the major turnover of players in the last 2 years. lee brennan neeeds ball and a ball winner beside him a bit like the senior set up. negative boring crap persists and the need to not be getting hammered. emmet mcnabb would have started in any u21 team outside of ulster. he has pace is direct and knows where the posts are hes just unlucky to born in a county and in a province that is trying to keep up with the big guns by negative boring play. slaughtneil against crokes today is another battle of keep ball against football. i know which team id pay money to go and watch. at least dublin and kerry are keeping the dream alive tyrone might catch up in a couple of years again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on March 17, 2017, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 16, 2017, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on March 16, 2017, 11:21:26 PM
Considering this team got stuffed by Donegal at minor level and failed to score against them in the 2nd half.
Then I would say they are not doing too bad to get a replay and almost beat a fancied Donegal team
Who reached an AI Final at minor. Many of the Donegal players are on their senior panel and they still failed to beat a young Tyrone team at this level.
Also I would say if they played a nice open game 15v 15 one on one then they would have got tanked
Like they did at minors ( and most on here would not be happy) Instead the management have shown that they can take a limited enough group and make them competitive. No one complained about their style of football when they won the AI, you have to work with the material at your disposal and they have shown that they can do that.

Monaghan beat them at minor level in the cship, not Donegal. We severely underachieved 3 years ago.

The time, energy and money that has gone into this u21 side has been phenominal. Fergal Logan can be proud of last night, now to next Wed night to finish the job.
these cubs have been under lock and key in the centre of excellence for months now catch yourselves on they'd need a be well prepared. If the previous manager had a got that type a run at it and played like that the other night against Donegal missing real good men thered a been a enquiry. My club hasn't seen their 21 play the year  >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 17, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 17, 2017, 08:21:31 AM
u 21 team are the golden eggs from the much vaunted acadamey hen and garvaghey coup. they are under severe pressure to deliver for benny rooster and his revamped set up maybe that explains the major turnover of players in the last 2 years. lee brennan neeeds ball and a ball winner beside him a bit like the senior set up. negative boring crap persists and the need to not be getting hammered. emmet mcnabb would have started in any u21 team outside of ulster. he has pace is direct and knows where the posts are hes just unlucky to born in a county and in a province that is trying to keep up with the big guns by negative boring play. slaughtneil against crokes today is another battle of keep ball against football. i know which team id pay money to go and watch. at least dublin and kerry are keeping the dream alive tyrone might catch up in a couple of years again.
If the u-21s could even do that. How many times did they gift the ball to Donegal with simple 15-20 yard passes!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on March 17, 2017, 10:27:18 PM
He would have missed an awful lot of games for your club alright.
All those challenge games. Imagine.

Quote from: LeoMc on March 17, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on March 17, 2017, 08:21:31 AM
u 21 team are the golden eggs from the much vaunted acadamey hen and garvaghey coup. they are under severe pressure to deliver for benny rooster and his revamped set up maybe that explains the major turnover of players in the last 2 years. lee brennan neeeds ball and a ball winner beside him a bit like the senior set up. negative boring crap persists and the need to not be getting hammered. emmet mcnabb would have started in any u21 team outside of ulster. he has pace is direct and knows where the posts are hes just unlucky to born in a county and in a province that is trying to keep up with the big guns by negative boring play. slaughtneil against crokes today is another battle of keep ball against football. i know which team id pay money to go and watch. at least dublin and kerry are keeping the dream alive tyrone might catch up in a couple of years again.
If the u-21s could even do that. How many times did they gift the ball to Donegal with simple 15-20 yard passes!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant. This is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team up like this! This begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:13:14 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant and is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team this way which also begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park will continue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2017, 05:53:38 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:13:14 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant and is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team this way which also begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park will continue.

It's bad enough having to read some of the drivel on here once without people feeling the need to re-post their own post. Did you get mixed up with which account you were using?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 18, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant. This is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team up like this! This begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park.

So who can get us playing positive attacking football now that Harte, Logan/Canavan, McGleenen and ORourke have been ruled out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 18, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 18, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant. This is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team up like this! This begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park.

So who can get us playing positive attacking football now that Harte, Logan/Canavan, McGleenen and ORourke have been ruled out?

Based on some of the previous suggestions Jim mcguiness could be next
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 18, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 18, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 18, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant. This is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team up like this! This begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park.

So who can get us playing positive attacking football now that Harte, Logan/Canavan, McGleenen and ORourke have been ruled out?

Based on some of the previous suggestions Jim mcguiness could be next

The only manager ever to win an All Ireland with a group of players who were nowhere near the best in ireland. Indeed only for a bad kickout would have won two
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2017, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 18, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 18, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 18, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant. This is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team up like this! This begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park.

So who can get us playing positive attacking football now that Harte, Logan/Canavan, McGleenen and ORourke have been ruled out?

Based on some of the previous suggestions Jim mcguiness could be next

The only manager ever to win an All Ireland with a group of players who were nowhere near the best in ireland. Indeed only for a bad kickout would have won two

McGuinness had plenty of top class players in his squad. Murphy, McFadden, Kavanagh, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGrath, McGee, McHugh would have been key men in any team in Ireland in 2012.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 18, 2017, 02:11:28 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 18, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 18, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 18, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant. This is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team up like this! This begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park.

So who can get us playing positive attacking football now that Harte, Logan/Canavan, McGleenen and ORourke have been ruled out?

Based on some of the previous suggestions Jim mcguiness could be next

The only manager ever to win an All Ireland with a group of players who were nowhere near the best in ireland. Indeed only for a bad kickout would have won two

This is the biggest myth in GAA peddled by romantics and idiots. I spoke to a well known coach around 2010 and I remember him saying if there was one team in Ireland he'd want to coach it was Donegal as they had unreal talent but were underachieving massively.

Anyway, heading for game tonight. Expecting us to win by 5 or 6 minimum.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 18, 2017, 02:20:11 PM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 18, 2017, 02:11:28 PM

This is the biggest myth in GAA peddled by romantics and idiots. I spoke to a well known coach around 2010 and I remember him saying if there was one team in Ireland he'd want to coach it was Donegal as they had unreal talent but were underachieving massively.

Anyway, heading for game tonight. Expecting us to win by 5 or 6 minimum.

Yes, it was common knowledge. There was an unusual culture in Donegal football that McGuinness fixed. Problem now is that he only fixed it temporarily.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on March 18, 2017, 08:44:52 PM
Given that Donegal had 8'u21 players involved in the game tonight
And how they destroyed our seniors, I would say it puts the u21 performance from the other
Night into perspective. Logan & co didn't do to bad to get a draw and match them every inch of the way. Think they got there tactics bang on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 09:07:09 PM
What a load of rubbish. That is All.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 18, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
come on its only the league. dont be so negative lad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 18, 2017, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 18, 2017, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 18, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 18, 2017, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 18, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 03:07:45 AM
This type of anti football makes corner forwards like lee Brennan redundant. This is the sole reason they become anonymous. Any manager in Tyrone could set a team up like this! This begs the question is coaching in Tyrone of poor standard? You can have all the talent you want but if your relying on Mickey Harte an Fergal Logan for inspiration you can forget about it. This will continue just as the empty seats in Healy park.

So who can get us playing positive attacking football now that Harte, Logan/Canavan, McGleenen and ORourke have been ruled out?

Based on some of the previous suggestions Jim mcguiness could be next

The only manager ever to win an All Ireland with a group of players who were nowhere near the best in ireland. Indeed only for a bad kickout would have won two

McGuinness had plenty of top class players in his squad. Murphy, McFadden, Kavanagh, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGrath, McGee, McHugh would have been key men in any team in Ireland in 2012.
Mark mc hugh, Neil gallagher, paddy mc grath, Neil or eamon mc gee key men in any team in ireland in 2012 !! Are you on drugs ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 09:50:58 PM
Mickeys anonymous email to the radio station in Dublin is coming back to bite the team. Roisin Jordan can't be blamed for this manure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 18, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 09:50:58 PM
Mickeys anonymous email to the radio station in Dublin is coming back to bite the team. Roisin Jordan can't be blamed for this manure.
Yes, the email seems to have really fired Donegal up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 10:07:47 PM
Have to say I will not be able to hold the glee and excitement when the Tyrone county board finally kicks Harte out the door. Ah just to see that bitter contorted face on him when roisin Jordan finally to f off! Any chance someone could record it on their I phone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 18, 2017, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 10:07:47 PM
Have to say I will not be able to hold the glee and excitement when the Tyrone county board finally kicks Harte out the door. Ah just to see that bitter contorted face on him when roisin Jordan finally to f off! Any chance someone could record it on their I phone?
im sure mickey will have someone from the irish news there anyway. get him out and end this charade.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 18, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
The good old Irish news ha ha. Mickey can rely on the Derry loving journalists of this newspaper to have his back anyway! Wonder what pro harte propaganda will be spouted by them next week? Awh Mickeys a three time All Ireland winning manager ye know!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 18, 2017, 10:39:16 PM
Only home from Balybofey... getting worse by the week... i will reserve my judgement to after Mayo game...something does seem quite right on the field or behind the scenes... plus i gave up an etra overtime shift to go and watch that dung... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 18, 2017, 10:42:35 PM
This game be no relevance come summer time.Stay calm its only a league match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 18, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
its easy to slag off a team when their crap. its easy to slag of a manager when their crap, but rory gallagher take a bow positive attacking football lesson learned. anyone see mark bradley no irish passport that brexit is a hoor. feel sorry for declan bonner 8 u21s played the night how were they ever b ready for ballybofey n 4 days at least tyrone are looking after no 1. total f----
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 18, 2017, 10:50:03 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 18, 2017, 10:42:35 PM
This game be no relevance come summer time.Stay calm its only a league match.

I understand that i just expected a bit better.... why keep playing one or two player who have got more chances than enough they aint good enough play somebody else please...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 19, 2017, 02:07:26 AM
Quote from: skeog on March 18, 2017, 10:42:35 PM
This game be no relevance come summer time.Stay calm its only a league match.

Second Half - Donegal 3 Tyrone 1

Complete Horse Manure

Football is dead
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 19, 2017, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: Club boi on March 19, 2017, 02:07:26 AM
Quote from: skeog on March 18, 2017, 10:42:35 PM
This game be no relevance come summer time.Stay calm its only a league match.

Second Half - Donegal 3 Tyrone 1

Complete Horse Manure

Football is dead

Scoring in the league is higher now than it was over most of the previous 40 years so not sure it's fair to say football is dead based on one low scoring half of football. There has been many many halfs equally as bad in wet blustery league games played in march over the years. Last years all Ireland finals were easily better than most all Ireland finals ever played.

Actually thought in the first half particular Donegal played some nice football. Working the ball well attacking in numbers and taking some great scores. On the other hand it was a terrible performance by Tyrone which has become the norm in ballybofey. We lacked fight and ideas.

I can't work out why we sit back on kick outs and let Donegal walk up to our 50 yard line without touching them then pick of a score. We seriously need to work on our attacking play. We haven't attacked in numbers or at pace enough during the league. One man tends to run into 3 or 4 opponents then turn back and pass and this is repeated to we lose the ball.

Donegal put a wall of players around the 50 knowing we'd never put it over the top or get behind them. They also made our sweeper redundant by not kicking the ball in and we never bothered pushing out til the damage was done. No idea what we were afraid of in the full forward line.

It's still only one league game and we can definitely bounce back from it but theirs lots to work on. In particular going out with a positive attitude to attack and win a game with a bit less focus on the opposition and limiting them. It caught us out against Mayo last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 19, 2017, 10:28:17 AM
Hard to see that attacking mindset forming any time soon though. As games progress, Tyrone seem to automatically revert to what they're programmed to do. Against middle-tier teams it'll work as the opposition don't have the players disciplined and programmed to stand firm on the defensive 45 like Donegal did last night. But against top tier teams they get as far as the opponent's 45 and hit a wall, 12 scores maximum.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 19, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
Unless their is a change of emphasis and braver going forward you are right we are going to struggle to get enough scores v the top teams. Against a team like Donegal the time they are most open is actually on their own kick out if you can win the ball. The issue is you have to be able to win most of the ball if they go long cause you will be open yourself if they get clean possession.

Going forward we have to commit more men quicker and attack much more decisively. Donegal showed last night were so much smarter at moving the ball in attack and creating space.

Luckily it's march and not July, there is time to improve. We didn't get lessons like this last year in the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 19, 2017, 12:50:07 PM
Just read Mickeys interview after game good honest assesment,you learn more from a defeat sometimes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 19, 2017, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 19, 2017, 12:50:07 PM
Just read Mickeys interview after game good honest assesment,you learn more from a defeat sometimes.

Cant see where we are learning to be honest...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 19, 2017, 03:45:57 PM
brilliant display of attacking football there from cavan. well done to mattie mc gleenan. deserved their 2 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 19, 2017, 05:15:10 PM
Our great county with our great training facility and we have to put up with this spoofer of a manager. All them Hartes should be all chased out of garvaghy with a length of pipe. Just f**k off everybodys sick looking at yes. Time to put our great county first and get on with the business of winning All Irelands. Get Matty mcgleenan in and give this county the shot in the arm it needs!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 19, 2017, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 19, 2017, 05:23:37 PM
Yes, Mattie McGleenan's 3 National League points are beginning to outshine Mickey Harte's 3 All Irelands.
the all irelands are long gone u fuckin twat. nearly a decade. we are in the here and now and its not a good place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 19, 2017, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 19, 2017, 05:29:25 PM
I've seen it worse.
when have u ever seen it worse than saturday night?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 19, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 19, 2017, 05:15:10 PM
Our great county with our great training facility and we have to put up with this spoofer of a manager. All them Hartes should be all chased out of garvaghy with a length of pipe. Just f**k off everybodys sick looking at yes. Time to put our great county first and get on with the business of winning All Irelands. Get Matty mcgleenan in and give this county the shot in the arm it needs!
couldnt have said it better myself. make tyrone great again!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 19, 2017, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 19, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 19, 2017, 05:15:10 PM
Our great county with our great training facility and we have to put up with this spoofer of a manager. All them Hartes should be all chased out of garvaghy with a length of pipe. Just f**k off everybodys sick looking at yes. Time to put our great county first and get on with the business of winning All Irelands. Get Matty mcgleenan in and give this county the shot in the arm it needs!
couldnt have said it better myself. make tyrone great again!

I'd go with Peter Canavan and Paddy Tally but at the moment Tyrone is going nowhere - Harte more obsessed with getting one over on RTE - there needs to be a better motivation than that negativity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 19, 2017, 05:45:13 PM
I'm not one for doom and gloom but last night was a right shocker. Abysmal performance against a very average Donegal side who had it easy last night. Not to mention getting drenched in that kip Ballybofey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 19, 2017, 07:12:43 PM
They had it that easy most of them played for their clubs today no cotton wool for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 19, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 19, 2017, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 19, 2017, 05:29:25 PM
I've seen it worse.
when have u ever seen it worse than saturday night?

Did you ever go to a div 3 game in Wicklow in the 80s? Do you remember not winning a championship game between 1989 and 1994? Do you remember the 70s? If you started supporting Tyrone in 2003 then last night was poor in comparison. But we have no devine right to win All Irelands and the fact that we have been competitive in recent years with a couple of semi final places, an Ulster title, promotion and a good shout at a Div 1 league final in our first year back in the top division means that..... no, a poor performance on a truly shitty Saturday night away in Donegal is not the worst we have ever seen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 19, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
I think the issue is the delusion we are a threat to the Dubs or on the brink of an All Ireland title is the issue. Same works the other way when Tyrone win a league game the hype is way OTT
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 19, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 19, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 19, 2017, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 19, 2017, 05:29:25 PM
I've seen it worse.
when have u ever seen it worse than saturday night?

Did you ever go to a div 3 game in Wicklow in the 80s? Do you remember not winning a championship game between 1989 and 1994? Do you remember the 70s? If you started supporting Tyrone in 2003 then last night was poor in comparison. But we have no devine right to win All Irelands and the fact that we have been competitive in recent years with a couple of semi final places, an Ulster title, promotion and a good shout at a Div 1 league final in our first year back in the top division means that..... no, a poor performance on a truly shitty Saturday night away in Donegal is not the worst we have ever seen.
id say saturday nights performance is as bad as anything seen in the 70,s or 80s. even the games weve won this year feel very underwhelming. so much talent on the tyrone team ruined.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on March 19, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 19, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
I think the issue is the delusion we are a threat to the Dubs or on the brink of an All Ireland title is the issue. Same works the other way when Tyrone win a league game the hype is way OTT

100% agree with this, we are a good side, but Dublin would have struggled to come out of ballybofey last night with a result, poor weather, tight/poor pitch doesn't suit this tyrone side. They will beat Mayo in Omagh but a massive test away to Kerry will a huge indicator what the rest of the season will hold imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 19, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
Tyrone lost a thirteen game unbeaten run last night, the best in the country behind Dublin. I think it was a case of all sectors of the field having an off day and Donegal hitting a freakishly good purple patch in the first half. The scores they got in the first half against the wind wwere spectacular but sometimes everything you hot goes over (see our first half v Monaghan) whereas other nights everything goes to shite i.e. us last night.

Draw a line under it, learn and move on to next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on March 19, 2017, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 19, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
I think the issue is the delusion we are a threat to the Dubs or on the brink of an All Ireland title is the issue. Same works the other way when Tyrone win a league game the hype is way OTT

That 'delusion' comes from the press not the Tyrone team!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 20, 2017, 10:49:39 AM
I agree Omagh Gael we had a very off day and it looked like everything went well for Donegal.
They really do the siege mentality stuff very well against Tyrone and they love the whole war of attrition stuff.

I was surprised how well Cavan did against Mayo. The defeat against Donegal will give us a bit of a wakeup call I feel and hopefully make us raise our game again against Mayo who usually do well in Omagh.

It could be a very tough championship season ahead with a potential path of Derry, Donegal, Monaghan, Donegal again  ;) before the Dubs and then of course Kerry in the final  ;D
Harte will then retire having won Sam again and everyone will be happy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 19, 2017, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 19, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
I think the issue is the delusion we are a threat to the Dubs or on the brink of an All Ireland title is the issue. Same works the other way when Tyrone win a league game the hype is way OTT

That 'delusion' comes from the press not the Tyrone team!

You need to get out more and listen to what supporters say and look at comments on social media
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 20, 2017, 11:29:38 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 19, 2017, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 19, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
I think the issue is the delusion we are a threat to the Dubs or on the brink of an All Ireland title is the issue. Same works the other way when Tyrone win a league game the hype is way OTT

That 'delusion' comes from the press not the Tyrone team!

You need to get out more and listen to what supporters say and look at comments on social media
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on March 20, 2017, 12:14:50 PM
Other night was very poor. Surely this will be the end of the Mattie Donnelly inside experiment. Wasting one of our best players inside on the periphery of games. I still think Tyrone should pick 10. Mattie Donnelly 11. Niall Sludden 12. Peter Harte and pick the rest of the team after that because if we are going to carry the ball its a waste playing any of them inside.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 20, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on March 20, 2017, 12:14:50 PM
Other night was very poor. Surely this will be the end of the Mattie Donnelly inside experiment. Wasting one of our best players inside on the periphery of games. I still think Tyrone should pick 10. Mattie Donnelly 11. Niall Sludden 12. Peter Harte and pick the rest of the team after that because if we are going to carry the ball its a waste playing any of them inside.

I hope we don't abandon the experiment yet. Whilst Mattie hasn't shot the lights out this year yet playing inside, we've been saying for a few years now that we need a more physical presence at full forward and it would be rash to give up on it after three poor/average performances.

We should bear in mind that in all three games we were against Ulster opposition where defences were packed. Would any full forward in Ireland have played well v Donegal in those conditions on Saturday night? In my opinion we are capable of beating Ulster teams with last years tactics (as we have proved) however in order to get over the line v Dublin/ Kerry/ Mayo we need something extra and it is against these sides, where forwards get a bit more space, that Mattie in full forward would really add value.

I take you point about him being one of our main men out the field but, as Mickey has said, Mattie will never spend 70 minutes in the full forward line and if he could spend even 20-30 mins in there I think it would help. I would also give Mattie the benefit of the doubt and say that the more games he plays in there the sharper he will get. It must be a few years now since he's had a proper run at full forward for either club or county and it will take time to adjust
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 20, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
Did you see our attempts at trying to kick the ball in, shocking. Its that long since we have kicked ball it looks as if they don't know how to kick it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 20, 2017, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on March 20, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
Did you see our attempts at trying to kick the ball in, shocking. Its that long since we have kicked ball it looks as if they don't know how to kick it.

100% agree, the balls we are putting in are all wrong. Check out the Cavan and Mayo match yesterday and the Cavan defence put in some perfect ball into their FF line that yielded great dividends. I do realise that Mayo's tactics and the weather contributed to this but long balls into the FF line need a certain trajectory and angle to increase reward. We have been putting in silly floated balls that result in Mattie et al being smashed from behind and been given no chance at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 19, 2017, 05:38:17 PM
They've been in Div 2, no sniff of an Ulster title never mind All Ireland.

What has Mattie McGleenan done to get a shot at the job?
thank god Harte didn't get that 2 year extension. That was one close call. Bye bye Parasite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 20, 2017, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on March 20, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
Did you see our attempts at trying to kick the ball in, shocking. Its that long since we have kicked ball it looks as if they don't know how to kick it.

100% agree, the balls we are putting in are all wrong. Check out the Cavan and Mayo match yesterday and the Cavan defence put in some perfect ball into their FF line that yielded great dividends. I do realise that Mayo's tactics and the weather contributed to this but long balls into the FF line need a certain trajectory and angle to increase reward. We have been putting in silly floated balls that result in Mattie et al being smashed from behind and been given no chance at all.
Can I forgive the fact Mickey Harte fights with RTE, probably. Can I forgive the fact he fights with the county board? probably. Can I forgive the fact he uses the Tyrone managers job as a political platform? probably. Can I forgive the fact he favours his own clubs' players , family an friends? Probably. What I can't forgive is the fact that he has proven too be an illiterate coach on the training field as you have rightly pointed out in the new found long ball tactics. This tactic should have been done or worked on years ago. Calling Mickey Harte a three time All Ireland winning manager is as relevant as calling me a three time All Ireland winning Tyrone supporter! This type of bluff an bluster means nothing if the stuff isn't been done on the training pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 20, 2017, 05:27:11 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 20, 2017, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on March 20, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
Did you see our attempts at trying to kick the ball in, shocking. Its that long since we have kicked ball it looks as if they don't know how to kick it.

100% agree, the balls we are putting in are all wrong. Check out the Cavan and Mayo match yesterday and the Cavan defence put in some perfect ball into their FF line that yielded great dividends. I do realise that Mayo's tactics and the weather contributed to this but long balls into the FF line need a certain trajectory and angle to increase reward. We have been putting in silly floated balls that result in Mattie et al being smashed from behind and been given no chance at all.
Can I forgive the fact Mickey Harte fights with RTE, probably. Can I forgive the fact he fights with the county board? probably. Can I forgive the fact he uses the Tyrone managers job as a political platform? probably. Can I forgive the fact he favours his own clubs' players , family an friends? Probably. What I can't forgive is the fact that he has proven too be an illiterate coach on the training field as you have rightly pointed out in the new found long ball tactics. This tactic should have been done or worked on years ago. Calling Mickey Harte a three time All Ireland winning manager is as relevant as calling me a three time All Ireland winning Tyrone supporter! This type of bluff an bluster means nothing if the stuff isn't been done on the training pitch.

That is accurate comment, which begs the question why is Dan Mc Nulty not on that panel, a natural powerfully built big and mobile full forward who can win ball. He wasn't even asked, so that puts that myth to bed, can't figure it out at all
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 20, 2017, 06:22:59 PM
for the £200,000 invested in coaching last year in Tyrone never mind the last 8 years.... i expect more than one game plan that does not work against the top handful of teams when push comes to shove....I was asked today would Mickey Harte be evil enough to split this county to get his own way...we all know the answer to that the next 6 months could be interesting....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 07:04:29 PM
The sad things is people in GAA circles across Ireland have shown a real dislike of Tyrone this last number of years. This was no accident. Negativity off the pitch and even more negativity on it, added to that poor attendances at Healy park. It paints a pretty depressing picture. Tyrone need a shot in the arm and to push on. Maybe just maybe we will regain the admiration and respect we gained in the noughties. The question you ask would Mickey be evil enough to split the county? Absolutely he would and Il say that with a straight face.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 20, 2017, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on March 20, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
Did you see our attempts at trying to kick the ball in, shocking. Its that long since we have kicked ball it looks as if they don't know how to kick it.

100% agree, the balls we are putting in are all wrong. Check out the Cavan and Mayo match yesterday and the Cavan defence put in some perfect ball into their FF line that yielded great dividends. I do realise that Mayo's tactics and the weather contributed to this but long balls into the FF line need a certain trajectory and angle to increase reward. We have been putting in silly floated balls that result in Mattie et al being smashed from behind and been given no chance at all.
Can I forgive the fact Mickey Harte fights with RTE, probably. Can I forgive the fact he fights with the county board? probably. Can I forgive the fact he uses the Tyrone managers job as a political platform? probably. Can I forgive the fact he favours his own clubs' players , family an friends? Probably. What I can't forgive is the fact that he has proven too be an illiterate coach on the training field as you have rightly pointed out in the new found long ball tactics. This tactic should have been done or worked on years ago. Calling Mickey Harte a three time All Ireland winning manager is as relevant as calling me a three time All Ireland winning Tyrone supporter! This type of bluff an bluster means nothing if the stuff isn't been done on the training pitch.
Mickey has his big powerful full forward sorted. Its his good friend an neighbour and goes by the name Aidan McCrory. Please don't laugh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 08:52:18 PM
i said a long time ago on this thread that mickey harte will leave a real mess behind him when he is eventually got rid of and im pretty sure il be right. lets hope for all our sakes he is gone sooner rather than later so we can start cleaning up the mess quicker. i feel he has already done alot of long term damage to players confidence, our footballing culture and the general tyrone brand. get him out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 20, 2017, 09:04:49 PM
Mickey Harte is part of the problem there is an Entourage of stuff around the Top in this County that are the rest of the mess that needs cleaned up....is it a coincidence that when reporting on congress Teamtalks Damian Harvey quoted Tyrone delegate telling the top table on the QT to "do whatever you want on motion 4" Teamtalk mag all off a sudden have reporting rights removed.... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 20, 2017, 09:06:49 PM
Have we been relegated? Are we not current Ulster Champions? Just checking!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on March 20, 2017, 09:09:44 PM
Some amount of sad cases in this topic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 09:48:10 PM
Its just one big sad story I'm afraid. God bless the great county of Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
now that you mention the 2015 relegation could someone please tell me what happened on that final league game v Kerry. The match were Mickey Harte did not turn up and overlooked his assistant Gavin Devlin(which was strange) to take the team but instead drafted in his old friend Tony Donnelly. What happened Mickey? Was he sick? If so, why did he get out of his sick bed, get dressed go up to kellys inn, pick the team, give the team talk but was still not fit enough to go to Healy park? Very odd. I suppose the narrative will be it was Tony Donnelly relegated Tyrone not Mickey Harte. Unreal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 20, 2017, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
now that you mention the 2015 relegation could someone please tell me what happened on that final league game v Kerry. The match were Mickey Harte did not turn up and overlooked his assistant Gavin Devlin(which was strange) to take the team but instead drafted in his old friend Tony Donnelly. What happened Mickey? Was he sick? If so, why did he get out of his sick bed, get dressed go up to kellys inn, pick the team, give the team talk but was still not fit enough to go to Healy park? Very odd. I suppose the narrative will be it was Tony Donnelly relegated Tyrone not Mickey Harte. Unreal.

Just be careful now. I think your veering into territory that is a bit too personal. Stick to the football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 20, 2017, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
now that you mention the 2015 relegation could someone please tell me what happened on that final league game v Kerry. The match were Mickey Harte did not turn up and overlooked his assistant Gavin Devlin(which was strange) to take the team but instead drafted in his old friend Tony Donnelly. What happened Mickey? Was he sick? If so, why did he get out of his sick bed, get dressed go up to kellys inn, pick the team, give the team talk but was still not fit enough to go to Healy park? Very odd. I suppose the narrative will be it was Tony Donnelly relegated Tyrone not Mickey Harte. Unreal.

What's your agenda here? It's very obvious you and southtyronegael are the one person and have a personal agenda against Micky Harte. I'm actually fed up of the trash you have been posting. You've crossed the line, enoughs enough!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 20, 2017, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 20, 2017, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
now that you mention the 2015 relegation could someone please tell me what happened on that final league game v Kerry. The match were Mickey Harte did not turn up and overlooked his assistant Gavin Devlin(which was strange) to take the team but instead drafted in his old friend Tony Donnelly. What happened Mickey? Was he sick? If so, why did he get out of his sick bed, get dressed go up to kellys inn, pick the team, give the team talk but was still not fit enough to go to Healy park? Very odd. I suppose the narrative will be it was Tony Donnelly relegated Tyrone not Mickey Harte. Unreal.

Just be careful now. I think your veering into territory that is a bit too personal. Stick to the football.

Stick to the football ??
I wouldn't be a big fan of Mickeys methods but this thread is a joke
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 10:28:45 PM
by the sounds of things on here mickey has already split the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 20, 2017, 10:54:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 10:28:45 PM
by the sounds of things on here mickey has already split the county.

Every county has a few idiots like you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 11:01:58 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 20, 2017, 10:54:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 10:28:45 PM
by the sounds of things on here mickey has already split the county.

Every county has a few idiots like you.
you know im right and you have no argument so you resort to calling me an idiot. good man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 11:14:07 PM
People on here obviously don't like to hear the uncomfortable truth. This is about Tyrone GAA and what is going on in it. A GAA forum is it not?? If you want to read spoof and bullshit buy the Irish news and its pro Harte propaganda excretia.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 20, 2017, 11:16:39 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
now that you mention the 2015 relegation could someone please tell me what happened on that final league game v Kerry. The match were Mickey Harte did not turn up and overlooked his assistant Gavin Devlin(which was strange) to take the team but instead drafted in his old friend Tony Donnelly. What happened Mickey? Was he sick? If so, why did he get out of his sick bed, get dressed go up to kellys inn, pick the team, give the team talk but was still not fit enough to go to Healy park? Very odd. I suppose the narrative will be it was Tony Donnelly relegated Tyrone not Mickey Harte. Unreal.

There is no one who thinks that way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 20, 2017, 11:31:26 PM
STG and Team in a million clearly the same person. Thst post on the last page should be deleted, a line crossed.


You continue to slate everything about the county team at the minute yet have offered the square root of f**k all in alternatives. Tyrone are joint top of Division 1 and just after losing a 13 match unbeaten run. What would you consider success? All ireland or bust it seems which is ridiculous, tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 11:44:23 PM
Here's an alternative. Bye bye Mickey. Now gway bout your business.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 11:14:07 PM
People on here obviously don't like to hear the uncomfortable truth. This is about Tyrone GAA and what is going on in it. A GAA forum is it not?? If you want to read spoof and bullshit buy the Irish news and its pro Harte propaganda excretia.

Go on then, tell us the truth. No BS, no spin, no personal attacks, just the truth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 20, 2017, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
now that you mention the 2015 relegation could someone please tell me what happened on that final league game v Kerry. The match were Mickey Harte did not turn up and overlooked his assistant Gavin Devlin(which was strange) to take the team but instead drafted in his old friend Tony Donnelly. What happened Mickey? Was he sick? If so, why did he get out of his sick bed, get dressed go up to kellys inn, pick the team, give the team talk but was still not fit enough to go to Healy park? Very odd. I suppose the narrative will be it was Tony Donnelly relegated Tyrone not Mickey Harte. Unreal.

What's your agenda here? It's very obvious you and southtyronegael are the one person and have a personal agenda against Micky Harte. I'm actually fed up of the trash you have been posting. You've crossed the line, enoughs enough!!

I am wondering the same thing. The efforts at vocalising an alternative are so poor and the attacks so full of BS it would push Harte Agnostics into the position where we are defending him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 21, 2017, 09:32:16 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 20, 2017, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
now that you mention the 2015 relegation could someone please tell me what happened on that final league game v Kerry. The match were Mickey Harte did not turn up and overlooked his assistant Gavin Devlin(which was strange) to take the team but instead drafted in his old friend Tony Donnelly. What happened Mickey? Was he sick? If so, why did he get out of his sick bed, get dressed go up to kellys inn, pick the team, give the team talk but was still not fit enough to go to Healy park? Very odd. I suppose the narrative will be it was Tony Donnelly relegated Tyrone not Mickey Harte. Unreal.

What's your agenda here? It's very obvious you and southtyronegael are the one person and have a personal agenda against Micky Harte. I'm actually fed up of the trash you have been posting. You've crossed the line, enoughs enough!!

I am wondering the same thing. The efforts at vocalising an alternative are so poor and the attacks so full of BS it would push Harte Agnostics into the position where we are defending him.

Apparently I am also the same person as these two... Is it beyond the realms of possibility that loads of people share the same opinion on where Harte is taking Tyrone football?.... nowhere 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 10:48:13 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 21, 2017, 09:32:16 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 20, 2017, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
weve been relegated twice since 2010 so id say we are due again. monaghan have won more ulsters than us in the last 5 yrs. but at least we have 6 in a row mc kenna cups.
now that you mention the 2015 relegation could someone please tell me what happened on that final league game v Kerry. The match were Mickey Harte did not turn up and overlooked his assistant Gavin Devlin(which was strange) to take the team but instead drafted in his old friend Tony Donnelly. What happened Mickey? Was he sick? If so, why did he get out of his sick bed, get dressed go up to kellys inn, pick the team, give the team talk but was still not fit enough to go to Healy park? Very odd. I suppose the narrative will be it was Tony Donnelly relegated Tyrone not Mickey Harte. Unreal.

What's your agenda here? It's very obvious you and southtyronegael are the one person and have a personal agenda against Micky Harte. I'm actually fed up of the trash you have been posting. You've crossed the line, enoughs enough!!

I am wondering the same thing. The efforts at vocalising an alternative are so poor and the attacks so full of BS it would push Harte Agnostics into the position where we are defending him.

Apparently I am also the same person as these two... Is it beyond the realms of possibility that loads of people share the same opinion on where Harte is taking Tyrone football?.... nowhere

Who has claimed that.
A lot of people have opinions on whether Tyrone football is going in the right direction.

Harte has been criticised for not giving players a chance / giving them too many chances / not having a target man / wasting good players as target men.

The most persistent criticism is the negative style of play. Looking at how the u-21s and how Cavan and Monaghan set up there are not many more attack minded managers out there.

I am Agnostic but would want to see hear what the alternatives are and personal attacks from SouthTyroneTeaminamillion prevent / pollute legitimate debate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 11:07:52 AM
I gave at least 4 alternatives for a new manager and each one was shot down on here as though they were irrelevant.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on March 21, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
I have been on this forum criticising the County team and manager in the past. Don't like the style of football or how county football robs clubs of their players so I don't go to county games anymore. However some of the posts on here recently are way over the top and there certainly seems to be a personal agenda. I think those posters (or poster) should step back a bit and if they want to be critical then fine but do so in a less personal manner!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
I would like to state right now that I am not connected to any other poster on here. I do not have any personal agenda against mickey Harte the man, but I certainly have a problem with what he is doing to our county and id be the same to any person doin this, not just mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
I would like to state right now that I am not connected to any other poster on here. I do not have any personal agenda against mickey Harte the man, but I certainly have a problem with what he is doing to our county and id be the same to any person doin this, not just mickey Harte.

I'd like to state that southtyronegael is Lenny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 21, 2017, 12:01:58 PM
I did not mean too insult anyone along the way here, its only an opinion that for the money spent on coaching we are getting bad value....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 21, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
I would like to state right now that I am not connected to any other poster on here. I do not have any personal agenda against mickey Harte the man, but I certainly have a problem with what he is doing to our county and id be the same to any person doin this, not just mickey Harte.

I'd like to state that southtyronegael is Lenny.

lol buster, do you seriously think I need to comment when you tyrone boys are fighting bitterly among yourselves. Having said that some of the comments on harte are way over the top. He is a good manager of that theres no doubt. He just doesn't seem to be clicking with the latest generation of players though and it could be time for a change at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 21, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
I would like to state right now that I am not connected to any other poster on here. I do not have any personal agenda against mickey Harte the man, but I certainly have a problem with what he is doing to our county and id be the same to any person doin this, not just mickey Harte.

I'd like to state that southtyronegael is Lenny.

lol buster, do you seriously think I need to comment when you tyrone boys are fighting bitterly among yourselves. Having said that some of the comments on harte are way over the top. He is a good manager of that theres no doubt. He just doesn't seem to be clicking with the latest generation of players though and it could be time for a change at the end of the season.

Yes, the fact that you regularly contribute to another county's local forum speaks volumes of how obsessed you are.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 11:07:52 AM
I gave at least 4 alternatives for a new manager and each one was shot down on here as though they were irrelevant.
I know you have mentioned big Mattie. His early season has not shown promise though on Sundays performance I would give him more time to prove himself.
Another one is O`Rourke. He has achieved some success but if your are looking free flowing attacking football I am not sure he would be an improvement.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 11:07:52 AM
I gave at least 4 alternatives for a new manager and each one was shot down on here as though they were irrelevant.
I know you have mentioned big Mattie. His early season has not shown promise though on Sundays performance I would give him more time to prove himself.
Another one is O`Rourke. He has achieved some success but if your are looking free flowing attacking football I am not sure he would be an improvement.
ok i know man on man all out attacking football is prob not gonna happen in the modern game but if u watch cavan in the second half on sunday the way they got men behind the ball then when they turned it over they all broke up the field with conviction. they used the kick pass well when it was on to spread the play wide and also into the full forward which produced a few goal chances and a goal. i thought it was great to watch and maybe matties positivity is paying off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
Tyrone lost a thirteen game unbeaten run last night, the best in the country behind Dublin. I think it was a case of all sectors of the field having an off day and Donegal hitting a freakishly good purple patch in the first half. The scores they got in the first half against the wind wwere spectacular but sometimes everything you hot goes over (see our first half v Monaghan) whereas other nights everything goes to shite i.e. us last night.

Draw a line under it, learn and move on to next week.
whats this shite about a 13 game unbeaten run? we were beat in august in championship, december in o fiach cup, january, first mc kenna cup game. i make that 7 games unbeaten?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on March 21, 2017, 08:58:18 PM
Ffs mc gleenan had 15 men in own 45 against tyrone. Spoofed he liked forwards to stay up field. It looks like someone else calling the shots in Cavan if that's the case. if Mayo play like they did Against Cavan then tyrone will run through them to greater effect this week. I suspect Mayo will mind house a lot more this weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 21, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
Maybe it's time to start up a Tyrone supporters thread. This one is being over run by a few people with a clear anti Harte agenda. People walting for the team to lose to give out about Harte and who obviously don't support the county team for one reason or another. They'd never think of going to a game.

Personally I'd support Tyrone whoever was managing them. The time the discussing a manager and judging them is at the end of the year. I have no problem with rational criticism but abuse and constant negativity gets boring after a while.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
maybe you should start up your own 'i love mickey harte' thread and leave us real tyrone supporters to discuss how we are going to get out of this mess. if your so sick of the constant negativity id suggest dont go to any more tyrone games for a while.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 21, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
maybe you should start up your own 'i love mickey harte' thread and leave us real tyrone supporters to discuss how we are going to get out of this mess. if your so sick of the constant negativity id suggest dont go to any more tyrone games for a while.

The real Tyrone supporters lol. Mickey Harte is currently the Tyrone manager and doing a decent job. Ulster champs and currently joint top of division 1. I'll continue to support the team next year or the year after no matter who is in charge.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 21, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
maybe you should start up your own 'i love mickey harte' thread and leave us real tyrone supporters to discuss how we are going to get out of this mess. if your so sick of the constant negativity id suggest dont go to any more tyrone games for a while.

The real Tyrone supporters lol. Mickey Harte is currently the Tyrone manager and doing a decent job. Ulster champs and currently joint top of division 1. I'll continue to support the team next year or the year after no matter who is in charge.
thats good to hear cause ive a funny feeling we will have a new manager to get behind next year. i cant wait.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 21, 2017, 10:03:13 PM
I'm sure any new manager will play a hugely exciting attacking brand of football, make county players available for all club training and games and go unbeaten all season bringing Sam home.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 21, 2017, 10:29:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
Tyrone lost a thirteen game unbeaten run last night, the best in the country behind Dublin. I think it was a case of all sectors of the field having an off day and Donegal hitting a freakishly good purple patch in the first half. The scores they got in the first half against the wind wwere spectacular but sometimes everything you hot goes over (see our first half v Monaghan) whereas other nights everything goes to shite i.e. us last night.

Draw a line under it, learn and move on to next week.
whats this shite about a 13 game unbeaten run? we were beat in august in championship, december in o fiach cup, january, first mc kenna cup game. i make that 7 games unbeaten?

It was a thirteen game unbeaten run in the national league. Referring to Cavan's style of football in the Mayo match highlights your jaundiced view of Tyrone and Harte at the minute. Cavan's play looked good because Mayo's tactics were shite and allowed Cavan a heap of space to play in. If Tyrone were playing in Castlebar on Sunday they would have torn Mayo apart. Just look at the Cavan replay last summer to see how attack minded Tyrone are when the opposition leaves space in their defence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 10:48:19 PM
well if mayos defence is that bad then i expect us to rack up a big score which will obviously help us qualify for the league final if we finish level with 3 teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on March 21, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 19, 2017, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 19, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
I think the issue is the delusion we are a threat to the Dubs or on the brink of an All Ireland title is the issue. Same works the other way when Tyrone win a league game the hype is way OTT

That 'delusion' comes from the press not the Tyrone team!

You need to get out more and listen to what supporters say and look at comments on social media

I said 'not the Tyrone team' you berk !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 22, 2017, 05:04:35 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 20, 2017, 11:14:07 PM
People on here obviously don't like to hear the uncomfortable truth. This is about Tyrone GAA and what is going on in it. A GAA forum is it not?? If you want to read spoof and bullshit buy the Irish news and its pro Harte propaganda excretia.

Go on then, tell us the truth. No BS, no spin, no personal attacks, just the truth.
the truth is Mickey Harte has dragged this county through enough muck. Time for change. Time for fresh ideas its time to go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 22, 2017, 09:29:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 21, 2017, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 21, 2017, 11:07:52 AM
I gave at least 4 alternatives for a new manager and each one was shot down on here as though they were irrelevant.
I know you have mentioned big Mattie. His early season has not shown promise though on Sundays performance I would give him more time to prove himself.
Another one is O`Rourke. He has achieved some success but if your are looking free flowing attacking football I am not sure he would be an improvement.
ok i know man on man all out attacking football is prob not gonna happen in the modern game but if u watch cavan in the second half on sunday the way they got men behind the ball then when they turned it over they all broke up the field with conviction. they used the kick pass well when it was on to spread the play wide and also into the full forward which produced a few goal chances and a goal. i thought it was great to watch and maybe matties positivity is paying off.
Like I said lets give him a chance to prove himself. I wouldn't judge him either on his game v Tyrone not get carried away by his second half v Mayo. It would be great to see him have a good year and give us the option at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 22, 2017, 10:04:00 AM
What's the story with Teamtalkmag now allowed to broadcast games any more?
Is it the GAA that's stopping them? Why?
How do other channels like Armagh do it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rabbit on March 22, 2017, 12:08:55 PM
Who would you fellas want as Tyrone manager if Mickey Harte was to step a side?

Canavan, Logan and Dooher?
Mattie McGleenan?
Malachy O'Rourke?
Who else?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 22, 2017, 12:36:23 PM
Joe Brolly
He would clean up our act and remove the bad smell that follows us around and get us back talking to RTE and be ready for the banquet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 22, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
Paddy tally must be on the shortlist now too.mattie is no1 choice though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on March 22, 2017, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 22, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
Paddy tally must be on the shortlist now too.mattie is no1 choice though.

I dont see how Mattie jumps ahead of O'Rourke? Im not running him down as he's proven to be a good Club manager but O'Rourke's past success Club and County puts him up there regardless of how Monaghan play!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 22, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 22, 2017, 10:04:00 AM
What's the story with Teamtalkmag now allowed to broadcast games any more?
Is it the GAA that's stopping them? Why?
How do other channels like Armagh do it?


I told you Damian Harvey spoke out  at congress.. Croke Park pulled the rug on County  Games outside Tyrone, they have no Power to stop them anywhere else at this stage...but that could change...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 22, 2017, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 21, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 20, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 19, 2017, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 19, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
I think the issue is the delusion we are a threat to the Dubs or on the brink of an All Ireland title is the issue. Same works the other way when Tyrone win a league game the hype is way OTT

That 'delusion' comes from the press not the Tyrone team!

You need to get out more and listen to what supporters say and look at comments on social media

I said 'not the Tyrone team' you berk !

Berk?!  :)  is this an English sitcom?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 22, 2017, 06:42:17 PM
What did Damian speak out about.Damian is a very articulate individual who is a very well versed in matters gaa.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 22, 2017, 06:53:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 22, 2017, 06:42:17 PM
What did Damian speak out about.Damian is a very articulate individual who is a very well versed in matters gaa.

This is one of his statements on twitter from congress....

the Tyrone club delegates didn't even debate the thing. One delegate told the top table "to do what they wanted."

Sad reflection of the people some of our clubs appoint to county committee......

The above is from his twitter....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 22, 2017, 07:28:00 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on March 22, 2017, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 22, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
Paddy tally must be on the shortlist now too.mattie is no1 choice though.

I dont see how Mattie jumps ahead of O'Rourke? Im not running him down as he's proven to be a good Club manager but O'Rourke's past success Club and County puts him up there regardless of how Monaghan play!
just my personal opinion. i think mc gleenan would be perfect for tyrone at minute as he is a very likeable, positive thinking person. he might lift the gloom a bit. i happen to know a few monaghan county players from scotstown and they actually rated him higher than o rourke as a coach. but id take either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 22, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
Interesting to see that Philip Jordan has a column with rte now and this week he picks the greatest player he has seen. I thought he would go for peter canavan but he has put the gooch ahead of canavan. Interesting choice given he would've seen both players up close. Have to admit I would just about agree although canavan was definitely a great player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 22, 2017, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: lenny on March 22, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
Interesting to see that Philip Jordan has a column with rte now and this week he picks the greatest player he has seen. I thought he would go for peter canavan but he has put the gooch ahead of canavan. Interesting choice given he would've seen both players up close. Have to admit I would just about agree although canavan was definitely a great player.

Interesting to see Lenny continually contributing on here along with his 5 Tyrone aliases pedaling the same old dirge on the lot.

Obsessed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 22, 2017, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: rabbit on March 22, 2017, 12:08:55 PM
Who would you fellas want as Tyrone manager if Mickey Harte was to step a side?

Canavan, Logan and Dooher?
Mattie McGleenan?
Malachy O'Rourke?
Who else?

It's kinda irrelevant to be honest, Harte is the manager - like it or not - and he's manager until he decides enough is enough. The players love him - no chance of anything happening in the immediate future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 22, 2017, 09:28:12 PM
Tyrone U21 1-09 Donegal 0-18.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 22, 2017, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 22, 2017, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: rabbit on March 22, 2017, 12:08:55 PM
Who would you fellas want as Tyrone manager if Mickey Harte was to step a side?

Canavan, Logan and Dooher?
Mattie McGleenan?
Malachy O'Rourke?
Who else?

It's kinda irrelevant to be honest, Harte is the manager - like it or not - and he's manager until he decides enough is enough. The players love him - no chance of anything happening in the immediate future.
i think the county board will decide when enough is enough not mickey harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on March 23, 2017, 10:54:28 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on March 22, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 22, 2017, 10:04:00 AM
What's the story with Teamtalkmag now allowed to broadcast games any more?
Is it the GAA that's stopping them? Why?
How do other channels like Armagh do it?


I told you Damian Harvey spoke out  at congress.. Croke Park pulled the rug on County  Games outside Tyrone, they have no Power to stop them anywhere else at this stage...but that could change...

How is it that TTM cudnt radio broastcast it online and yet Michael Murphy was allowed to stream it live online on his business page??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on March 23, 2017, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 22, 2017, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: rabbit on March 22, 2017, 12:08:55 PM
Who would you fellas want as Tyrone manager if Mickey Harte was to step a side?

Canavan, Logan and Dooher?
Mattie McGleenan?
Malachy O'Rourke?
Who else?

It's kinda irrelevant to be honest, Harte is the manager - like it or not - and he's manager until he decides enough is enough. The players love him - no chance of anything happening in the immediate future.

Wouldn't says it Irrelevant as this is a discussion board and tops are there to be discussed it a question is asked...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 23, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
Irish news off the fence interesting read today especially Tyrone supporter since the seventies 'Austin'. Unfortunately this is the very sad state of affairs we are in. Of course the Irish news gave their customary sneering response to Austin. Nobody but nobody criticizes our Mickey in their eyes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 23, 2017, 11:10:21 PM
Two awful showings in Ballybofey in the space of 4 days. Was at the u21 game last night. We were beaten by a better side hands down. I watched Logan and Dooher on the line with no answers and ran around like two headless chickens. To any of you saying they should take over from Mickey. Think again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 23, 2017, 11:12:57 PM
yeah they didnt seem to have many answers in u21 ulster final last year either. seemed very negative and one dimensional. there is no way they will go in for senior job against harte anyway so id rule them out for now. pity cause i had high hopes for them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 23, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 23, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
Irish news off the fence interesting read today especially Tyrone supporter since the seventies 'Austin'. Unfortunately this is the very sad state of affairs we are in. Of course the Irish news gave their customary sneering response to Austin. Nobody but nobody criticizes our Mickey in their eyes.
seen that too. looks like there are alot more 'austins' out there other than whats on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 23, 2017, 11:41:10 PM
Irish News eats out of Mickey's hands - lap dogs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 24, 2017, 01:12:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 23, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 23, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
Irish news off the fence interesting read today especially Tyrone supporter since the seventies 'Austin'. Unfortunately this is the very sad state of affairs we are in. Of course the Irish news gave their customary sneering response to Austin. Nobody but nobody criticizes our Mickey in their eyes.
seen that too. looks like there are alot more 'austins' out there other than whats on here.

There were lots of "Austins" when Down beat us in 2008 too. I'd prefer to just get behind the team, but sure, each to their own.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 24, 2017, 02:06:05 AM
Logan didn't do himself any favours by acting the princess with the county board last year. That time he threatened to walk if Mickey Harte didn't get a new deal. In hindsight the county board should have chased the whole bloody lot of them. That includes canavan! No man is bigger than our great county!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 24, 2017, 08:02:21 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 23, 2017, 11:10:21 PM
Two awful showings in Ballybofey in the space of 4 days. Was at the u21 game last night. We were beaten by a better side hands down. I watched Logan and Dooher on the line with no answers and ran around like two headless chickens. To any of you saying they should take over from Mickey. Think again.
Would have to agree with this;  used to go to all U-21 games and most senior,  but this last couple of years,  it's hard to watch.  And no, that U-21 management is not good enough.  Tyrone need to attack, stop handpassing sieways, and get the players PLAYING football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 24, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on March 23, 2017, 10:54:28 AM


How is it that TTM cudnt radio broastcast it online and yet Michael Murphy was allowed to stream it live online on his business page??

He might not have been allowed but did it anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 24, 2017, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on March 24, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on March 23, 2017, 10:54:28 AM


How is it that TTM cudnt radio broastcast it online and yet Michael Murphy was allowed to stream it live online on his business page??

He might not have been allowed but did it anyway.

What is the story with Teamtalk? They've been frantically appealing for people to sign their petition but as far as I've seen they haven't actually given an explanation as to why their coverage is being restricted
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 24, 2017, 10:40:13 AM
Apparently the GAA don't recognise them as being a local radio station and don't want them broadcasting live GAA games.

I don't know for sure but it sounds to me like the GAA are trying to clamp down on this online broadcasting of matches as there is no revenue in it for them and they have no control over it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 24, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 24, 2017, 10:40:13 AM
Apparently the GAA don't recognise them as being a local radio station and don't want them broadcasting live GAA games.

I don't know for sure but it sounds to me like the GAA are trying to clamp down on this online broadcasting of matches as there is no revenue in it for them and they have no control over it.

I wonder does that apply to all games or just senior intercounty ones? Did teamtalk broadcast the u21 game midweek? At face value it sounds very petty from the GAA, I'd imagine 99% of the games teamtalk cover aren't broadcast by another station anyway and so aren't detracting from GAA revenue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 24, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
Something gone wrong in development of players under Harte after the first squad that was handed to him on a plate - remember 2008 All Ireland minors best three players Coney, McNiece and McKenna all sacrificed to a rubbish system of play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 24, 2017, 10:59:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 24, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
Something gone wrong in development of players under Harte after the first squad that was handed to him on a plate - remember 2008 All Ireland minors best three players Coney, McNiece and McKenna all sacrificed to a rubbish system of play.

You can lead a horse to water... Coney and McNeice had plenty of chances and never did it and eventually showed that their attitude stank. Mckenna had his chances too but unfortunately was plagued by injuries
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 24, 2017, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 24, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
Something gone wrong in development of players under Harte after the first squad that was handed to him on a plate - remember 2008 All Ireland minors best three players Coney, McNiece and McKenna all sacrificed to a rubbish system of play.

Harte didn't manage the u21's, did the lads go on to star and win All Ireland's there? Mattie Donnelly, McNabb and Harte have come through well from that team. No doubt Harte had no influence on that, just on the one's that didn't make it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 24, 2017, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 24, 2017, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 24, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
Something gone wrong in development of players under Harte after the first squad that was handed to him on a plate - remember 2008 All Ireland minors best three players Coney, McNiece and McKenna all sacrificed to a rubbish system of play.

Harte didn't manage the u21's, did the lads go on to star and win All Ireland's there? Mattie Donnelly, McNabb and Harte have come through well from that team. No doubt Harte had no influence on that, just on the one's that didn't make it.

Certainly had an influence on Petie moved players all over the place to accomodate him and to be fair he eventually came right...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 24, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
The star player from our last 3 ai minor winning teams have all gone by the wayside cause of Harte. Mulgrew 04 coney 08 and now r o neill. Anyone see the pattern?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 24, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 24, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
The star player from our last 3 ai minor winning teams have all gone by the wayside cause of Harte. Mulgrew 04 coney 08 and now r o neill. Anyone see the pattern?

Absolutly true - Mulgrew was hung out to dry, a fantastic footballer. Other players were worked with and patience shown them...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 24, 2017, 01:46:56 PM
Is anyone listening anymore ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 24, 2017, 01:54:33 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 24, 2017, 01:46:56 PM
Is anyone listening anymore ?
they cant hear cause they have their heads buried too deep in the sand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 24, 2017, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 24, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
The star player from our last 3 ai minor winning teams have all gone by the wayside cause of Harte. Mulgrew 04 coney 08 and now r o neill. Anyone see the pattern?

There's a million possible reasons for this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 24, 2017, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 24, 2017, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on March 24, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on March 23, 2017, 10:54:28 AM


How is it that TTM cudnt radio broastcast it online and yet Michael Murphy was allowed to stream it live online on his business page??

He might not have been allowed but did it anyway.

What is the story with Teamtalk? They've been frantically appealing for people to sign their petition but as far as I've seen they haven't actually given an explanation as to why their coverage is being restricted

My guess is that is product is worth more when exclusive. It's hard to sell a product offered for free.

Also.
The u21 championship is sponsored by Eirgrid.

If I'm sponsoring a championship I want my name out there more than an internet broadcaster using that championship puts their own sponsors name. Example, I'd want Eirgrid mentioned more than Sallys.

While I do not know the reason I know the GAA have done deals with organisations I have no trust in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 24, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 24, 2017, 01:12:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 23, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 23, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
Irish news off the fence interesting read today especially Tyrone supporter since the seventies 'Austin'. Unfortunately this is the very sad state of affairs we are in. Of course the Irish news gave their customary sneering response to Austin. Nobody but nobody criticizes our Mickey in their eyes.
seen that too. looks like there are alot more 'austins' out there other than whats on here.

There were lots of "Austins" when Down beat us in 2008 too. I'd prefer to just get behind the team, but sure, each to their own.
thats bullshit. tyrone played really well against down but lost out in replay. i remember backing tyrone at 20/1 for ai after down game. felt we still had the potential in 08. different feeling in 2017.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 24, 2017, 10:35:00 PM
for those not listening its on teamtalk so its not :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 25, 2017, 09:35:50 AM
After getting soaked in Balybofey on saturday  coming home pissed off and cried all week about the performance and vowed i would not go back.....guess what looking forward to going to the game tomorrow v Mayo in Omagh and improved performance and all will be forgive, hon Tyrone........fickle oul sport this...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on March 25, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on March 25, 2017, 09:35:50 AM
After getting soaked in Balybofey on saturday  coming home pissed off and cried all week about the performance and vowed i would not go back.....guess what looking forward to going to the game tomorrow v Mayo in Omagh and improved performance and all will be forgive, hon Tyrone........fickle oul sport this...

Love it haha.

That Ballybofey place could suck the life out of a birthday party at McDonalds.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2017, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 24, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 24, 2017, 01:12:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 23, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 23, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
Irish news off the fence interesting read today especially Tyrone supporter since the seventies 'Austin'. Unfortunately this is the very sad state of affairs we are in. Of course the Irish news gave their customary sneering response to Austin. Nobody but nobody criticizes our Mickey in their eyes.
seen that too. looks like there are alot more 'austins' out there other than whats on here.

There were lots of "Austins" when Down beat us in 2008 too. I'd prefer to just get behind the team, but sure, each to their own.
thats bullshit. tyrone played really well against down but lost out in replay. i remember backing tyrone at 20/1 for ai after down game. felt we still had the potential in 08. different feeling in 2017.

There was plenty of people like yourself making exactly the same noises that's you are making now. I was stood behind a group of middle aged men who were booing at Harte as he walked off the pitch. It was embarrassing to see Tyrone fans behave in such a way. That's the same embarrassment that I feel when I read your posts now.....you seem like the type who goes along to boo at the team. But like I said, each to their own. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 25, 2017, 01:54:38 PM
I wouldn't even waste the diesel to go and boo Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 26, 2017, 04:38:09 PM
Reality Check needed men. That team is no were near an All Ireland. I wouldn't put a free bet on them Winning Ulster
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 26, 2017, 04:40:20 PM
Going nowhere
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 26, 2017, 04:58:48 PM
Thats a poor mayo team and a worse Tyrone team.  Terrible stuff to watch
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 26, 2017, 05:44:58 PM
I do find some of Harte's selections baffling.

I struggle to see the logic in the continuous chances afforded to McShane.

McCurry should have been whipped off after about 40 minutes today, he was struggling badly and his body language wasn't good. Burns had a great game against Monaghan and hasn't been seen since? Munroe and McNulty featured heavily in pre season but again seemed to have fallen off the radar.

Loughran got an opportunity today but we haven't seen McHugh, McCullagh or Cassidy in the league so you've got to wonder what the point is when they can't even get an opportunity in the league.

We need a bit of a shake up against Kerry next week, still an outside chance of a final spot.

Hopefully the likes of Burns, Conall McCann, Brennan and Mulgrew get a run out next week as some players have really exhausted Harte's faith at this point.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 26, 2017, 07:33:46 PM
The last time I seen a Tyrone forward put in a performance of any significance was Kyle Coney v Cork some years ago. I just find it incredible that a player of that potential can be so easily discarded? Then again it's Mickey Harte were dealing with here. His nephew has to be the most overrated player ever to put on a Tyrone jersey. I'm just glad the Tyrone county board didn't bow to the Irish news campaign to get Harte a new 2 year deal. That was one close call! OUT NOW!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 26, 2017, 08:14:48 PM
Wise up team no need for abusing Peter Harte he is an all star who gives 100 per cent each and every time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on March 26, 2017, 08:36:59 PM
This system is not working and Harte is to stubborn to change it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 26, 2017, 07:33:46 PM
The last time I seen a Tyrone forward put in a performance of any significance was Kyle Coney v Cork some years ago. I just find it incredible that a player of that potential can be so easily discarded? Then again it's Mickey Harte were dealing with here. His nephew has to be the most overrated player ever to put on a Tyrone jersey. I'm just glad the Tyrone county board didn't bow to the Irish news campaign to get Harte a new 2 year deal. That was one close call! OUT NOW!

Petie is well worth his place now but others like Kyle not looked after as well. Was players moved all over the place till get Petie accomodated in earlier days
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 26, 2017, 08:56:25 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 26, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 26, 2017, 07:33:46 PM
The last time I seen a Tyrone forward put in a performance of any significance was Kyle Coney v Cork some years ago. I just find it incredible that a player of that potential can be so easily discarded? Then again it's Mickey Harte were dealing with here. His nephew has to be the most overrated player ever to put on a Tyrone jersey. I'm just glad the Tyrone county board didn't bow to the Irish news campaign to get Harte a new 2 year deal. That was one close call! OUT NOW!

Petie is well worth his place now but others like Kyle not looked after as well. Was players moved all over the place till get Petie accomodated in earlier days

Coney had enough chances and if he hadn't thrown a strop after the McKenna Cup final in 2015 then he might still be in the squad.

Doesn't look he's pulling up any trees with Ardboe in any case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 26, 2017, 09:07:31 PM
I notice Cathal McShane coming in for some criticism on here. Hard to know why a sub that gets 18 mins gets the blame today. However, it is far to say that he has been somewhat off the pace the last 2-3 games. Someone further back states they have yet to see him contribute for Tyrone. Well they obviously weren't at the Derry game last year, where he was in the top 2-3 performers, and the Cavan game in the Ulster SF (Can't mind which one) where he was Tyrone's MOTM.

However, I think the fella is being flogged to death and badly managed.

Cathal started the 2015 season early with the Tyrone U21s, and as we know Tyrone got an extended run, with Cathal MOTM in the final. He went straight from that into the Tyrone senior squad, coupled with our senior side. Owen Roes season ended on 22nd Nov 2015.
He got 2 weeks rest before he was back out with Tyrone seniors in the O Fiach Cup which was 13th December 2015. Two weeks rest!

The O'Fiach Cup final was 20th December 2015, and Cathal was out in January with Tyrone U21s and the senior side (Top scorer from play in the 2016 final) via the McKenna Cup. It was then into the NFL and back to Club football. Again our last game of 2016 was on 12th November.

Then it was straight to training with St Marys and getting ready for the McKenna/ Sigerson, not to mention being back with Tyrone and the O Fiach Cup on 11th Dec. January was McKenna Cup, National League, and Sigerson Cup. Then it'll be Tyrone ACL action 2 weeks today.

Bar all that I've no idea why he looks a bit off the pace and jaded.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 26, 2017, 09:17:10 PM
Peter Harte and Aidan Mc Rory have played the most times for Tyrone behind Cavanagh. Says it all really. To think what players have slipped through the net. Who remembers Brian Robinson of Donaghmore. A regular corner back for Tyrone in 2001, 2002 and was All star nominated in 02. As soon as Mickey arrived out the door he went.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 26, 2017, 09:19:52 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 26, 2017, 09:07:31 PM
I notice Cathal McShane coming in for some criticism on here. Hard to know why a sub that gets 18 mins gets the blame today. However, it is far to say that he has been somewhat off the pace the last 2-3 games. Someone further back states they have yet to see him contribute for Tyrone. Well they obviously weren't at the Derry game last year, where he was in the top 2-3 performers, and the Cavan game in the Ulster SF (Can't mind which one) where he was Tyrone's MOTM.

However, I think the fella is being flogged to death and badly managed.

Cathal started the 2015 season early with the Tyrone U21s, and as we know Tyrone got an extended run, with Cathal MOTM in the final. He went straight from that into the Tyrone senior squad, coupled with our senior side. Owen Roes season ended on 22nd Nov 2015.
He got 2 weeks rest before he was back out with Tyrone seniors in the O Fiach Cup which was 13th December 2015. Two weeks rest!

The O'Fiach Cup final was 20th December 2015, and Cathal was out in January with Tyrone U21s and the senior side (Top scorer from play in the 2016 final) via the McKenna Cup. It was then into the NFL and back to Club football. Again our last game of 2016 was on 12th November.

Then it was straight to training with St Marys and getting ready for the McKenna/ Sigerson, not to mention being back with Tyrone and the O Fiach Cup on 11th Dec. January was McKenna Cup, National League, and Sigerson Cup. Then it'll be Tyrone ACL action 2 weeks today.

Bar all that I've no idea why he looks a bit off the pace and jaded.

He's a young lad and the fault lies more so with Harte for constantly picking him but he simply doesn't deserve his spot and constant chances given his performances at senior level.

His decision making is too erratic, takes daft shots on, runs in to traffic and plays with his head down. He's very frustrating, there was one case today where he just ran down the inside and hand pass the ball across the goal to David Clarke when there was nobody in the area. He's not developing, he looks every bit as raw and naive as he did two years ago when he joined the squad.

There's plenty of lads that play in his area of the pitch that should be worth a go, McShane has had enough chances now and he hasn't taken them. It's time to look at other options
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on March 26, 2017, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 26, 2017, 09:17:10 PM
Peter Harte and Aidan Mc Rory have played the most times for Tyrone behind Cavanagh. Says it all really. To think what players have slipped through the net. Who remembers Brian Robinson of Donaghmore. A regular corner back for Tyrone in 2001, 2002 and was All star nominated in 02. As soon as Mickey arrived out the door he went.

Well Brian how's it going?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2017, 10:15:25 PM
brian robinson had to make way for the 6 errigal men mickey wanted on the panel. as for todays game its just the same muck. no amount of personel or positional changes are goin to make a difference. the whole setup is fundamentaly flawed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on March 26, 2017, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2017, 10:15:25 PM
brian robinson had to make way for the 6 errigal men mickey wanted on the panel. as for todays game its just the same muck. no amount of personel or positional changes are goin to make a difference. the whole setup is fundamentaly flawed.

He won an All-Ireland medal in 2003. I don't think anyone could complain too much about Tyrone's back six that year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
mickey harte is the only man to blame. he is in charge dont forget. the quicker he is chased the better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on March 26, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 26, 2017, 05:44:58 PM
I do find some of Harte's selections baffling.

I struggle to see the logic in the continuous chances afforded to McShane.

McCurry should have been whipped off after about 40 minutes today, he was struggling badly and his body language wasn't good. Burns had a great game against Monaghan and hasn't been seen since? Munroe and McNulty featured heavily in pre season but again seemed to have fallen off the radar.

Loughran got an opportunity today but we haven't seen McHugh, McCullagh or Cassidy in the league so you've got to wonder what the point is when they can't even get an opportunity in the league.

We need a bit of a shake up against Kerry next week, still an outside chance of a final spot.

Hopefully the likes of Burns, Conall McCann, Brennan and Mulgrew get a run out next week as some players have really exhausted Harte's faith at this point.
Must be very frustrating for these players to see McCrory, McShane and O'Neill get constant opportunities over them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 26, 2017, 11:00:15 PM
Darren Mc Curry was the closest "defender/tackler" to Parsons for his goal. A man that should've been standing at the far end of the pitch. Says it all. No point being a prolific scorer in this Tyrone System

Time for change
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2017, 11:08:26 PM
go over to the cavan forum and see how happy they are with their new manager. they are buzzing with optimism. our thread is pure depression. we need to get on the phone to mc gleenan asap and start preparing for next year. harte out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 26, 2017, 11:48:15 PM
What was frustrating was the lack of movement from the 2, sometimes 3, forwards who moved into FF when Tyrone attacked. They were so static, putting their hands up for the ball but standing behind their man. Surely lads like McCurry are expert enough in that position to create space. Andy Moran, until he tired and McCarron got the upper hand, found space time and time again with clever runs. There was just nothing for the other lads to hit, so they had to recycle the ball and try again.

Some bad wides though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 27, 2017, 06:42:43 AM
Quote from: randomusername on March 26, 2017, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 26, 2017, 09:17:10 PM
Peter Harte and Aidan Mc Rory have played the most times for Tyrone behind Cavanagh. Says it all really. To think what players have slipped through the net. Who remembers Brian Robinson of Donaghmore. A regular corner back for Tyrone in 2001, 2002 and was All star nominated in 02. As soon as Mickey arrived out the door he went.

Well Brian how's it going?
well Mickey ye well I'm not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 27, 2017, 08:02:28 AM
Cavan be happy heading to div 2 Tyrone challenging for league final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 27, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
Tyrone going nowhere again this year, forward unit is useless (has been for a while) and still haven't got a half decent free taker, not like this fact has only been identified either.  Time for a change.  Harte has had his favourites over the years and there are different factors in how Coney, Mulgrew and O'Neill etc have not hit the heights they maybe should, but surely some of that has to come down to Hartes management.  New players to a team, especially forward players, need a run of games to gain confidence and not to be looking over their shoulder awaiting the curly finger.  But in this Tyrone team forwards aren't going to thrive anyway.  There have been other extremely talented players who have slipped through the net due to limited opportunites, and as mentioned there have been others favoured by Harte and given a run of games with seemingly the condition that irrelevant of performances they will continue to play (Peter Harte, Ciaran McGinley, Cathal McShane etc).  As for McShane, there seems to be a lot of hypocrites on here as people give off about the low risk tactics employed by Harte yet criticise McShane for his 'wild' shooting.  The man takes risks, which aren't always going to pay off but his unpredictability is more exciting to watch than some of the other robots we have on the team. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on March 27, 2017, 09:10:56 AM
You boys need to take a look at Tyrones more experienced players instead of having a go at the younger ones. Matty Donnelly and Peter Harte just seem to do their own thing. Durcan scored 2 from play of Harte and Parsons got the goal after Donnelly took a wild shot of his left foot in the 1st half, he then never bothered tracking back. I understand that any man can have an of day, but that doesn't mean they cant be replaced if they aren't putting a shift in.  McCrory offers nothing either going forward or in defence. Mark Bradley was very good in the 1st half when he was played close to goal, but the 2nd half he spent more time in defence and wasn't able to get forward. Surely there are better options to be covering in the half back line than your main scoring threat.

As someone else pointed out it seems nothing has been learnt from last years defeat to Mayo, same game plan same result. Anyone expecting it to change before championship time is deluded. This game plan is here as long as the manager is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on March 27, 2017, 09:13:38 AM
Complete joke not to close out that game yesterday. 15 wides and 3/4 into keepers hands.

McCurry was awful, he's the type of player when you are winning well would be kicking points from everywhere, however, when the pressure comes on he is a bottler!! The chance he had with a few minutes to go with match level, after Sean Cavanagh broke play up and the break was on summed him up. He didn't know whether to shoot or pass and then done neither played a stupid floated ball in that the keeper punched clear.

Matty Donnelly was very poor yesterday too. Sooner we forget about McShane the better, I don't know what anyone sees in him, never seems to make the correct decision on the ball. Bradley showed some glimpse's of what he can do but spent most of the game too deep.

The amount of hand-passing we do in tight spaces in the forward line is serious, completely overplay the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 27, 2017, 09:52:46 AM
Mattie Donnelly needs to stay away from the gym for a while, getting bigger and bigger as well as slower and slower.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on March 27, 2017, 10:10:50 AM
If Tyrone would change JUST ONE THING I think it would help the whole situation.........PUSH UP ON KICK OUTS! Dublin played Donegal last year after the Tyrone Mayo game and they put FOUR players into their full forward line on Donegal kick outs to force them long..........I think Tyrone don't do this because their whole plan is based around taking on the Dubs..........however the only time I have seen the Dubs in trouble is when a team puts pressure on Cluxton.

If Tyrone would push up on kick outs I am sure the public would welcome this and start going back to games.........there is nothing worse that seeing a team take a short kick out and all the men in white sprinting in the other direction!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 27, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Ah feck went to Omagh yesterday it what proved to be a very frustrating day... i do think the players are not playing for the management due to the system i could be wrong but the body language of at least 5/6 players yesterday was poor.... i was asked last night would a new management team bring anything different... i really do think for talk sake if Malachy ORourke was the Tyrone manager we would be playing a different system that possibly would suit the type of players we currently have... this current system is not working and wont work if 5/6 players seem not to be playing it....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on March 27, 2017, 10:16:31 AM
Mattie Donnelly frustrates the hell out of me! Constantly walking about with his chest out and flexing his biceps. Slows the play down too much and runs down blind alleyways, losing the ball on too many occasions!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 27, 2017, 10:42:15 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on March 27, 2017, 10:16:31 AM
Mattie Donnelly frustrates the hell out of me! Constantly walking about with his chest out and flexing his biceps. Slows the play down too much and runs down blind alleyways, losing the ball on too many occasions!

Could we not just give Mattie an All-Ireland for his biceps and be done with it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 27, 2017, 10:47:27 AM
Very disappointing. The scary thing as people have pointed out is we do not seem have learnt, changed or brought anything new to the table since AI semi last year.

I don't care what the situation is harte should go with lee brennan now. McCurry has had far nore shots than he ever should have got. Brennan may not be the answer but mc curry certainly isn't.

The panic when a free was missed to start chopping and changing the kicker must ruin their confidence. why did mc curry hit a 45 then morgan come up and hit one just after. Just go short and work it in! We seem to do it with every other aspect of our game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 27, 2017, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: The Trap on March 27, 2017, 10:10:50 AM
If Tyrone would change JUST ONE THING I think it would help the whole situation.........PUSH UP ON KICK OUTS! Dublin played Donegal last year after the Tyrone Mayo game and they put FOUR players into their full forward line on Donegal kick outs to force them long..........I think Tyrone don't do this because their whole plan is based around taking on the Dubs..........however the only time I have seen the Dubs in trouble is when a team puts pressure on Cluxton.

If Tyrone would push up on kick outs I am sure the public would welcome this and start going back to games.........there is nothing worse that seeing a team take a short kick out and all the men in white sprinting in the other direction!!!!!!

it is very frustrating to watch us retreat on every kickout and invite the opposition on to you give them a free run to the 50 yard line. Mayo didn't punish us much in the second half yesterday for it but Donegal did the previous week. We pushed up at times in the first half and got caught on the break and I think that's why he changed it but for me the reason we got caught for the goal for example was because players didn't track the runners, not that we didn't have enough men back. Playing like that means the only chance you have of winning the game is in a close match which can go either way.

If you push up on the opposition kickout and can win the ball it is the best chance of creating scores as the opposition aren't fully set up to defend. You can knock up a big score in 5 or 10 minutes if you get on top and win the kickouts. It is risky but if you put enough effort on being good at winning primary possession it can be very effective.

The other problem for me is our attacking play is still too slow. For some reason we aren't attacking at pace in 3 and 4's which is an effective way of breaking down a blanket defence.

It is still only March and we look a good bit of top fitness so hopefully the aim is to peak later in the year. The championship is what the team will be ultimately judged on so no point getting too carried away yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 27, 2017, 11:09:13 AM
Yeah go with Lee Brennan now so we can all flog him when he spends more time behind the brother taking short kickouts instead of up the field. Its the system thats flawed and continues to fail

I really cant get my head around teams giving a keeper an easy option for the kick out. Push Up, it nearly worked for Kerry v Dublin last year. Last week they done the same and Im not saying was the only contributing factor but Dublin finished with 11 points I think. Roscommon retreated Saturday Night and let Cluxton pick his man, Dublin hit 2-29
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on March 27, 2017, 11:27:12 AM
I think your being a bit harsh on tyrone, yes there is a need to get a bit sharper up front, but every other county bar dublin has that problem even the ones with the marquee forward or 2. Tyrone certainly have enough of the ball to create chances and i'm sure the management will be looking at ways of adding to their method of attacking. Sludden going off was a big loss. Having watched majority of games tyrone have pushed up in most games but sometimes its just not possible if a keeper gets it out quick. Tyrone yestereday did seem to let them kick it short but they probably felt they could bottle mayo up and hit them on break like cavan did. Mayo though were a bit cuter this week in terms of use of the ball and also protection at the back. I think they have a decent chance of beating Kerry this weekend and thats not a bad position to be in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 27, 2017, 02:00:16 PM
It's not been a great league campaign for Mattie alright.
I often get frustrated he's not much more influential in matches. Maybe I expect to much from him.

Why did he throw the punch at the end at O'Shea?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 27, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on March 27, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Ah feck went to Omagh yesterday it what proved to be a very frustrating day... i do think the players are not playing for the management due to the system i could be wrong but the body language of at least 5/6 players yesterday was poor.... i was asked last night would a new management team bring anything different... i really do think for talk sake if Malachy ORourke was the Tyrone manager we would be playing a different system that possibly would suit the type of players we currently have... this current system is not working and wont work if 5/6 players seem not to be playing it....

What different system do Monaghan operate than Tyrone? They track back in numbers and play a very similar game. It could be argued that with possibly the best forward in Ireland up front in McManus that Harte would actually get more out of the Monaghan team than they are currently getting. The one thing that has consistently beat Tyrone is not taking chances and missing frees.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 27, 2017, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 27, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on March 27, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Ah feck went to Omagh yesterday it what proved to be a very frustrating day... i do think the players are not playing for the management due to the system i could be wrong but the body language of at least 5/6 players yesterday was poor.... i was asked last night would a new management team bring anything different... i really do think for talk sake if Malachy ORourke was the Tyrone manager we would be playing a different system that possibly would suit the type of players we currently have... this current system is not working and wont work if 5/6 players seem not to be playing it....

What different system do Monaghan operate than Tyrone? They track back in numbers and play a very similar game. It could be argued that with possibly the best forward in Ireland up front in McManus that Harte would actually get more out of the Monaghan team than they are currently getting. The one thing that has consistently beat Tyrone is not taking chances and missing frees.

My point is that a change of manager may change system to what suits us not a system that has failed for the last i dont know how many years.in my opinion we have far better players across the board than most teams....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 27, 2017, 05:44:50 PM
I think what is the most frustrating things for the fans is we seem to not be learning from our mistakes or improving.
How many times over the last few years have we talked about the same problems. I don't think any other county seems to kick as many shots short into the keepers hands as we do. Maybe I'm wrong.
Is it overconfidence or players misjudging the distance.
Once yesterday near the end Colm Cavanagh did great to break inside two Mayo men's tackle and from about 25 yards out on the right wing he kicks it into the keepers hands rather than DRIVING it over with force.
Other players also guilty of the same thing time and time again.
It's hard to know what's wrong but to me there seems to be an over confidence or an attitude that they think they sometimes don't have to put in the hard work.
I thought McCarron has slowed up a bit or isn't as fired up as he usually is. He seems happy enough to track is man and let him get the ball as long as he doesn't turn him.
Maybe they were tired but going into the final 5-10 mins nobody really stood up and pushed hard for home to actually win the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 27, 2017, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 27, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on March 27, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Ah feck went to Omagh yesterday it what proved to be a very frustrating day... i do think the players are not playing for the management due to the system i could be wrong but the body language of at least 5/6 players yesterday was poor.... i was asked last night would a new management team bring anything different... i really do think for talk sake if Malachy ORourke was the Tyrone manager we would be playing a different system that possibly would suit the type of players we currently have... this current system is not working and wont work if 5/6 players seem not to be playing it....

What different system do Monaghan operate than Tyrone? They track back in numbers and play a very similar game. It could be argued that with possibly the best forward in Ireland up front in McManus that Harte would actually get more out of the Monaghan team than they are currently getting. The one thing that has consistently beat Tyrone is not taking chances and missing frees.
how the f**k would harte get more out of the monaghan team? we have all ireland winners at every level on our team and they are playing shite. id say if o rourke had the tyrone team hed have an all ireland won by now. o rourke has been fantastic at maximising his limited resources.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 27, 2017, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 27, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on March 27, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Ah feck went to Omagh yesterday it what proved to be a very frustrating day... i do think the players are not playing for the management due to the system i could be wrong but the body language of at least 5/6 players yesterday was poor.... i was asked last night would a new management team bring anything different... i really do think for talk sake if Malachy ORourke was the Tyrone manager we would be playing a different system that possibly would suit the type of players we currently have... this current system is not working and wont work if 5/6 players seem not to be playing it....

What different system do Monaghan operate than Tyrone? They track back in numbers and play a very similar game. It could be argued that with possibly the best forward in Ireland up front in McManus that Harte would actually get more out of the Monaghan team than they are currently getting. The one thing that has consistently beat Tyrone is not taking chances and missing frees.
Monaghan play with two forwards. Mc Manus has been average at best so far this year. Jack Mc Carron seems to be their main scoring threat in the league so far.
lol your probably right, Mickey would get more out of Monaghan than Malachy O Rourke.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 27, 2017, 10:16:09 PM
When you talk about pushing up on kick-outs...that's well and good, and Tyrone do spend a spell doing that, but as soon as it doesn't work it's panic stations. There's no confidence in the defence to leave them 6 on 6.

Did Tiernan McCann try to chip a keeper who was on his line in the first half? It's these silly in-game decisions that cost them. We were used to lads like O'Neill and Mulligan putting everything over. Also, late in the second, who went through and fisted the ball across the box to no one?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 27, 2017, 10:22:22 PM
I can safely say this year even at this stage is a write off already. By the time Harte s gone it will be 2018 which will be nearly a full three years since the promise of 2015. The defeat against Kerry in Croker that year showed the same problems we have now. It was a grave mistake to give Harte a deal at that time as I said then and have been proven correct since. As a coach in the modern game he is just bloody clueless not like the old days when all a manager had to do was pick the team. Big Sean's. Tyrone career will finish in a wimper when it could have been so different.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 27, 2017, 10:36:16 PM
in the 2015 q final against monaghan our full forward line scored 12 points between them. mc curry 6, mc aliskey 5 and s cavanagh 1. we have went backwards bigtime and will continue backwards until someone has the balls to end this charade of a management team. im glad to see so many people on here now waking up to this fact. people shouldnt be afraid to say what they feel about harte and co any more. our great county is more important.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 27, 2017, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 27, 2017, 10:16:09 PM
When you talk about pushing up on kick-outs...that's well and good, and Tyrone do spend a spell doing that, but as soon as it doesn't work it's panic stations. There's no confidence in the defence to leave them 6 on 6.

Did Tiernan McCann try to chip a keeper who was on his line in the first half? It's these silly in-game decisions that cost them. We were used to lads like O'Neill and Mulligan putting everything over. Also, late in the second, who went through and fisted the ball across the box to no one?
McShane
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 27, 2017, 11:19:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2017, 10:36:16 PM
in the 2015 q final against monaghan our full forward line scored 12 points between them. mc curry 6, mc aliskey 5 and s cavanagh 1. we have went backwards bigtime and will continue backwards until someone has the balls to end this charade of a management team. im glad to see so many people on here now waking up to this fact. people shouldnt be afraid to say what they feel about harte and co any more. our great county is more important.
remember that game well, when Peter Canavan at the final whistle was in the sky studio he said in a self righteous moment of madness 'Where's all the Mickey Harte critics now?'. Lol. We haven't gone away you know! :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 27, 2017, 11:22:44 PM
lol. i think theres more of them around now than ever!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 27, 2017, 11:39:14 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 27, 2017, 02:00:16 PM
It's not been a great league campaign for Mattie alright.
I often get frustrated he's not much more influential in matches. Maybe I expect to much from him.

Why did he throw the punch at the end at O'Shea?
discipline has been terrible since Brian mcguigan got sent off v Kerry back in 2012. It was never a problem back in the noughties were now player frustrations at the whole set up are their for the whole world to see. Does Harte even talk to his players ie "Matty maybe you shouldn't go round punching people or getting involved?" Shambolic coach an shambolic management or maybe Gavin Devlin is the head of team discipline??lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 07:56:55 AM
Quote from: ONeill on March 27, 2017, 10:16:09 PM
When you talk about pushing up on kick-outs...that's well and good, and Tyrone do spend a spell doing that, but as soon as it doesn't work it's panic stations. There's no confidence in the defence to leave them 6 on 6.

Did Tiernan McCann try to chip a keeper who was on his line in the first half? It's these silly in-game decisions that cost them. We were used to lads like O'Neill and Mulligan putting everything over. Also, late in the second, who went through and fisted the ball across the box to no one?

Please tell me a team in Ireland that leaves 6 on 6 at the back. Get your head out of the sand you fool
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 28, 2017, 08:08:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2017, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 27, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on March 27, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Ah feck went to Omagh yesterday it what proved to be a very frustrating day... i do think the players are not playing for the management due to the system i could be wrong but the body language of at least 5/6 players yesterday was poor.... i was asked last night would a new management team bring anything different... i really do think for talk sake if Malachy ORourke was the Tyrone manager we would be playing a different system that possibly would suit the type of players we currently have... this current system is not working and wont work if 5/6 players seem not to be playing it....

What different system do Monaghan operate than Tyrone? They track back in numbers and play a very similar game. It could be argued that with possibly the best forward in Ireland up front in McManus that Harte would actually get more out of the Monaghan team than they are currently getting. The one thing that has consistently beat Tyrone is not taking chances and missing frees.
how the f**k would harte get more out of the monaghan team? we have all ireland winners at every level on our team and they are playing shite. id say if o rourke had the tyrone team hed have an all ireland won by now. o rourke has been fantastic at maximising his limited resources.

Sure according to you lads everything is down to our system and little to do with the players. The system is very effective as we regularly get more chances than other teams and keep them to a relatively low score. Our only problem is score conversion particularly from frees. So if Harte could get the Monaghan players playing the system we do and had McManus taking the frees and converting chances they'd be hard to stop.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on March 28, 2017, 09:19:26 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on March 27, 2017, 10:16:31 AM
Mattie Donnelly frustrates the hell out of me! Constantly walking about with his chest out and flexing his biceps. Slows the play down too much and runs down blind alleyways, losing the ball on too many occasions!

Hmm singling out one player for losing balls and running down blind alleyways when majority of the team are at it? You seem to have a personal vendetta against Mattie when you bring personal appearance into it!!
I could safely say come championship time Mattie will do what he's done this past few years consistently and continue to be one of our top performers..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on March 28, 2017, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 27, 2017, 10:47:27 AM
Very disappointing. The scary thing as people have pointed out is we do not seem have learnt, changed or brought anything new to the table since AI semi last year.

I don't care what the situation is harte should go with lee brennan now. McCurry has had far nore shots than he ever should have got. Brennan may not be the answer but mc curry certainly isn't.

The panic when a free was missed to start chopping and changing the kicker must ruin their confidence. why did mc curry hit a 45 then morgan come up and hit one just after. Just go short and work it in! We seem to do it with every other aspect of our game.

I def dont think the time is right for Brennan or near it, I watched the U21's matches and all the McKenna cup games and he's been too quie and just looks like a player short on confidence! He needs a good year imo away from the County set up and gain more club football experience, Mattie done it at that age and also Niall Sludden asked Mickey for that extra year at club football after he broke the leg, he's gota get that confidence back and back playin football week in week out!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on March 28, 2017, 09:53:53 AM
The difference in winning and losing that match on Sunday was a freetaker. Mayo have one who is consistent. We do not. We know that we've had this problem for more then 3 years but it still had not been rectified. Christ we went back to Morgan hitting the 50s again. Given the system we're playing we should be able to carry a player whose main reason to be on the field is for the frees. We had it in 80s with Micky Mallon. I'm really starting to lose my patience with Micky Harte. Another perfect example is Mattie Donnelly. He plays him in full forward in three night matches where the wind is blowing a gale and it's pissing down. The first day when it's like summer conditions with a good pitch he's back out in the middle. It makes absolutely no sense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 28, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 07:56:55 AM
Quote from: ONeill on March 27, 2017, 10:16:09 PM
When you talk about pushing up on kick-outs...that's well and good, and Tyrone do spend a spell doing that, but as soon as it doesn't work it's panic stations. There's no confidence in the defence to leave them 6 on 6.

Did Tiernan McCann try to chip a keeper who was on his line in the first half? It's these silly in-game decisions that cost them. We were used to lads like O'Neill and Mulligan putting everything over. Also, late in the second, who went through and fisted the ball across the box to no one?

Please tell me a team in Ireland that leaves 6 on 6 at the back. Get your head out of the sand you fool
I always seem to disagree with you but if you cannot go 6 v 6 at the back for 10 seconds so as not to allow your opposition easy possession from their kickout then we must have terrible defenders. If you lose the kickout then a foul/half foul in the middle of the pitch gives you an opportunity to get someone back to cover. It's not rocket science
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 28, 2017, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 28, 2017, 09:53:53 AM
The difference in winning and losing that match on Sunday was a freetaker. Mayo have one who is consistent. We do not. We know that we've had this problem for more then 3 years but it still had not been rectified. Christ we went back to Morgan hitting the 50s again. Given the system we're playing we should be able to carry a player whose main reason to be on the field is for the frees. We had it in 80s with Micky Mallon. I'm really starting to lose my patience with Micky Harte. Another perfect example is Mattie Donnelly. He plays him in full forward in three night matches where the wind is blowing a gale and it's pissing down. The first day when it's like summer conditions with a good pitch he's back out in the middle. It makes absolutely no sense

I'd be a supporter of Mickey Harte and still think he is the only man at this moment in time to take the team forward but I agree regarding the freetaker and that some of his decisions being baffling. We play a game that's on the edge, we defend to keep the opposition to 12 points or below and hope to eek out a victory. This keeps us competitive but we are fundamentally flawed in the respect that we need to be converting our own chances. Harte's free kick in the second half was an example of a scenario where very few county teams at any level (never mind Div 1 teams) would miss from. This takes the pressure off the defender as they can push the limits of the tackle a little more safe in the knowledge they are unlikely to get punished from the resulting free. With a Cillian O'Connor or Peter Canavan around a defender is afraid to touch a man, as a certain point results from the free. But this problem has been going on for years. At what point will we accept that we don't have a free taker (which I find hard to believe that a county like Tyrone can unearth at least one decent free taker) and actually try to work longer frees into scoring positions rather than having guys like Morgan and McCurry take pot shots that everyone knows they are going to miss. Especially when we aren't contesting kick outs - we may as well just hand possession back to the opposition. Would it be too difficult to work out 4 or 5 set pieces from frees outside or near 50 yards that results in one of either Peter Harte, Matty Donnelly, Sean or Mark Bradley in a reasonable scoring position to get a shot away?

With regards some of his decisions, I don't understand his selection policy at times, I absolutely agree regarding Matty Donnelly, he hasn't been given a good enough try inside and Sunday was the perfect opportunity to finally make up his mind if it was an option we should pursue. I have nothing against Harry Loughran but I just don't get the logic of throwing him into quite an important game at that stage when we haven't seen him at all in the league up to that point - what has happened to McClure and McNulty? McClure in particular being an interesting option having performed well when given the opportunity this year.

My hope is that Tyrone are in the midst of some heavy training and the legs definitely looked weary - this can often take a toll when shooting. We have to be ready for an ambush in Celtic Park in a few weeks time and maybe the hard miles are being put in now - this isn't a problem the likes of Mayo, Dublin and Kerry face as they plan for August again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 28, 2017, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 28, 2017, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 28, 2017, 09:53:53 AM
The difference in winning and losing that match on Sunday was a freetaker. Mayo have one who is consistent. We do not. We know that we've had this problem for more then 3 years but it still had not been rectified. Christ we went back to Morgan hitting the 50s again. Given the system we're playing we should be able to carry a player whose main reason to be on the field is for the frees. We had it in 80s with Micky Mallon. I'm really starting to lose my patience with Micky Harte. Another perfect example is Mattie Donnelly. He plays him in full forward in three night matches where the wind is blowing a gale and it's pissing down. The first day when it's like summer conditions with a good pitch he's back out in the middle. It makes absolutely no sense

I'd be a supporter of Mickey Harte and still think he is the only man at this moment in time to take the team forward but I agree regarding the freetaker and that some of his decisions being baffling. We play a game that's on the edge, we defend to keep the opposition to 12 points or below and hope to eek out a victory. This keeps us competitive but we are fundamentally flawed in the respect that we need to be converting our own chances. Harte's free kick in the second half was an example of a scenario where very few county teams at any level (never mind Div 1 teams) would miss from. This takes the pressure off the defender as they can push the limits of the tackle a little more safe in the knowledge they are unlikely to get punished from the resulting free. With a Cillian O'Connor or Peter Canavan around a defender is afraid to touch a man, as a certain point results from the free. But this problem has been going on for years. At what point will we accept that we don't have a free taker (which I find hard to believe that a county like Tyrone can unearth at least one decent free taker) and actually try to work longer frees into scoring positions rather than having guys like Morgan and McCurry take pot shots that everyone knows they are going to miss. Especially when we aren't contesting kick outs - we may as well just hand possession back to the opposition. Would it be too difficult to work out 4 or 5 set pieces from frees outside or near 50 yards that results in one of either Peter Harte, Matty Donnelly, Sean or Mark Bradley in a reasonable scoring position to get a shot away?

With regards some of his decisions, I don't understand his selection policy at times, I absolutely agree regarding Matty Donnelly, he hasn't been given a good enough try inside and Sunday was the perfect opportunity to finally make up his mind if it was an option we should pursue. I have nothing against Harry Loughran but I just don't get the logic of throwing him into quite an important game at that stage when we haven't seen him at all in the league up to that point - what has happened to McClure and McNulty? McClure in particular being an interesting option having performed well when given the opportunity this year.

My hope is that Tyrone are in the midst of some heavy training and the legs definitely looked weary - this can often take a toll when shooting. We have to be ready for an ambush in Celtic Park in a few weeks time and maybe the hard miles are being put in now - this isn't a problem the likes of Mayo, Dublin and Kerry face as they plan for August again.


The lack of a free taker and all the problems we had last Sunday cost championship games in Croke Park for the last 2 summers....the year before we scored 10 points v Armagh when we where defeated in Omagh by them....nothing to do with training regime at that time of the year i hope...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 28, 2017, 01:20:50 PM
Jesus lads what's with all the negativity on here? Mickey will sort the whole thing out. Total faith.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 28, 2017, 02:03:27 PM
This "running game" Harte talks about looks totally uncoordinated an shambolic. Half a dozen Players running beside each other up blind alleys, running into each other. Looked farcical at times. How can anybody with an ounce of Tyrone blood in the them still be happy and content of were Tyrone is at and were their going? Having watch a st Marys team backboned by Tyrone players win sigerson under paddy tally, there was a confidence and assurance in what they were doing. If Tyrone don't have footballers to compete with the dubs then nobody has! Time to get the pride back in this great football county. Time for change. HARTE Out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on March 28, 2017, 02:31:44 PM
Dear oh dear. Bad few weeks for Tyrone supporters. 21s well beat by Donegal missing a host of players and missing a penalty. Seniors look to be flat and running out of ideas. All the while club football is on life support with the life getting sucked out of it due to the focus in all ways on goings on up in Garvaghey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 28, 2017, 02:58:57 PM
Quote from: Bring back club football on March 28, 2017, 02:31:44 PM
Dear oh dear. Bad few weeks for Tyrone supporters. 21s well beat by Donegal missing a host of players and missing a penalty. Seniors look to be flat and running out of ideas. All the while club football is on life support with the life getting sucked out of it due to the focus in all ways on goings on up in Garvaghey.
U-17's aswell
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 28, 2017, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 27, 2017, 05:44:50 PM
I think what is the most frustrating things for the fans is we seem to not be learning from our mistakes or improving.
How many times over the last few years have we talked about the same problems. I don't think any other county seems to kick as many shots short into the keepers hands as we do. Maybe I'm wrong.
Is it overconfidence or players misjudging the distance.
Once yesterday near the end Colm Cavanagh did great to break inside two Mayo men's tackle and from about 25 yards out on the right wing he kicks it into the keepers hands rather than DRIVING it over with force.
Other players also guilty of the same thing time and time again.
It's hard to know what's wrong but to me there seems to be an over confidence or an attitude that they think they sometimes don't have to put in the hard work.
I thought McCarron has slowed up a bit or isn't as fired up as he usually is. He seems happy enough to track is man and let him get the ball as long as he doesn't turn him.
Maybe they were tired but going into the final 5-10 mins nobody really stood up and pushed hard for home to actually win the game.

Perhaps a major factor may have been poor Colm who has defended from the D all day long had most likely ran 100 mtrs plus to get on the end of that play didn't have the legs for the kick. Just like many other shots being referred too, the "Shooters" are tiring themselves out chasing men and tackling around their own 45 that when they get in position they don't have the legs for the important kick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 28, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Club boi on March 28, 2017, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 27, 2017, 05:44:50 PM
I think what is the most frustrating things for the fans is we seem to not be learning from our mistakes or improving.
How many times over the last few years have we talked about the same problems. I don't think any other county seems to kick as many shots short into the keepers hands as we do. Maybe I'm wrong.
Is it overconfidence or players misjudging the distance.
Once yesterday near the end Colm Cavanagh did great to break inside two Mayo men's tackle and from about 25 yards out on the right wing he kicks it into the keepers hands rather than DRIVING it over with force.
Other players also guilty of the same thing time and time again.
It's hard to know what's wrong but to me there seems to be an over confidence or an attitude that they think they sometimes don't have to put in the hard work.
I thought McCarron has slowed up a bit or isn't as fired up as he usually is. He seems happy enough to track is man and let him get the ball as long as he doesn't turn him.
Maybe they were tired but going into the final 5-10 mins nobody really stood up and pushed hard for home to actually win the game.

Perhaps a major factor may have been poor Colm who has defended from the D all day long had most likely ran 100 mtrs plus to get on the end of that play didn't have the legs for the kick. Just like many other shots being referred too, the "Shooters" are tiring themselves out chasing men and tackling around their own 45 that when they get in position they don't have the legs for the important kick
fair point on big Colm. The man does the job of three men carrying the dead wood on his back. It's players like Colm Cavanagh I feel sorry for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 28, 2017, 07:48:53 PM
The system they play is appaling and the myth that vanity project Gervaghy would lead us all to glory has been well hammered.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 28, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
alot of interesting discussion on here and seems the penny has dropped with alot of people that we need new management. its ok talkin on here but everyone needs to get on to their respective club delegate and make sure when the vote comes in autumn that people do the right thing.the powers lays with the delegates.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 28, 2017, 11:17:07 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
go away and bury ur head in the sand ya ostrich. the players will play for whoever the county board puts there. players didnt look too happy last weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 28, 2017, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
As long as mickey keeps picking you then you're happy. What's your thoughts on the winning mayo point. Should cathal have been tighter
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on March 28, 2017, 11:58:08 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 28, 2017, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
As long as mickey keeps picking you then you're happy. What's your thoughts on the winning mayo point. Should cathal have been tighter

Yes and was caught for the goal too. Not going well. Mickey will keep picking him though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 29, 2017, 07:01:44 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
you said Amen. Do you and Mickey go to the same chapel together? Lets make Tyrone great again!  Harte out yesterday today and tomorrow
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 07:29:59 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 28, 2017, 11:17:07 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
go away and bury ur head in the sand ya ostrich. the players will play for whoever the county board puts there. players didnt look too happy last weekend.

Il tell you one thing you are some retard...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 07:33:19 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 28, 2017, 11:58:08 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 28, 2017, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
As long as mickey keeps picking you then you're happy. What's your thoughts on the winning mayo point. Should cathal have been tighter

You should ask Mr Moran if Cathal is any good. Cathal is our best defender weather you like it or not. It's a good job most of you boys arnt involved in football, or maybe use should step up to the mark seeing use are all full of yourselves ;)

Yes and was caught for the goal too. Not going well. Mickey will keep picking him though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 29, 2017, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 07:33:19 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 28, 2017, 11:58:08 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 28, 2017, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen
As long as mickey keeps picking you then you're happy. What's your thoughts on the winning mayo point. Should cathal have been tighter

You should ask Mr Moran if Cathal is any good. Cathal is our best defender weather you like it or not. It's a good job most of you boys arnt involved in football, or maybe use should step up to the mark seeing use are all full of yourselves ;)

Yes and was caught for the goal too. Not going well. Mickey will keep picking him though

McCarron is a good defender but he was dreadful on Sunday and probably should been hooked or at least changed man earlier, Moran won pretty much every ball out in front of him.

His form is a cause for concern at the minute but he seems to go well during the summer so hopefully he just needs the ground to firm up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 29, 2017, 07:20:48 PM
mc carron should knuckle down to the football more rather than writing books.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 29, 2017, 07:28:58 PM
Has he wrote another book.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 29, 2017, 07:31:37 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 29, 2017, 07:28:58 PM
Has he wrote another book.
dunno, dont care.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on March 29, 2017, 07:48:39 PM
Kicking for success coaching workshop with Stephen O Neill on Thursday evening at 7pm in Healy Park, Omagh - book... (link: http://fb.me/1R5PZkfta) fb.me/1R5PZkfta..

He's  a week too late .......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 29, 2017, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: delgany on March 29, 2017, 07:48:39 PM
Kicking for success coaching workshop with Stephen O Neill on Thursday evening at 7pm in Healy Park, Omagh - book... (link: http://fb.me/1R5PZkfta) fb.me/1R5PZkfta..

He's  a week too late .......
all tyrone players need attend....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 29, 2017, 08:31:14 PM
See the u21 semi final off because Omagh pitch is unplayable, a shocker, the pitch that just keeps giving. Is there a brain cell operating anywhere in the Gaa Admin world fixing a game in Omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 29, 2017, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 07:33:19 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on March 28, 2017, 11:58:08 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 28, 2017, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 28, 2017, 11:10:47 PM
Could only imagine half of the guys on here. Big fat bellys hanging over the keyboard, never kicked a ball in their lives.. wise up use pack of winging dungbags. It's f**king march and I think we are in a great position. No one better than harte just ask the players, at the end of the day the players have the power, thank god it doesn't come down to half the godshotes in here when coming to pick a manger. Amen

Quit funny bombe
As long as mickey keeps picking you then you're happy. What's your thoughts on the winning mayo point. Should cathal have been tighter

You should ask Mr Moran if Cathal is any good. Cathal is our best defender weather you like it or not. It's a good job most of you boys arnt involved in football, or maybe use should step up to the mark seeing use are all full of yourselves ;)

Yes and was caught for the goal too. Not going well. Mickey will keep picking him though

McCarron is a good defender but he was dreadful on Sunday and probably should been hooked or at least changed man earlier, Moran won pretty much every ball out in front of him.

His form is a cause for concern at the minute but he seems to go well during the summer so hopefully he just needs the ground to firm up.

Bomber or whatever they call you. Did you watch the game ?? If so you would have seen McCarron win every ball that went into Moran the second half you nitwit, hence Moran to be subbed due to being roasted. Unbelievable !!! What game where you watching
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
Oh and I can burn a copy of the disk and send it to you, if you don't take my word for it. ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 29, 2017, 09:35:07 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
Oh and I can burn a copy of the disk and send it to you, if you don't take my word for it. ;)

Andy Moran in my opinion was subbed because at 34 years off age had run himself into the ground and needed to be replaced after giving McCarron a difficult afternoon....Dont think McCarron looks as sharp as he was.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 09:58:37 PM
Ah whatever man, il tell I'm glad we have him. I'd rather him be playing for us thank against us anyhow. Defenders get a hard time, unless they score idiots like you don't see the work they do. Like talking to a shell
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 29, 2017, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 09:58:37 PM
Ah whatever man, il tell I'm glad we have him. I'd rather him be playing for us thank against us anyhow. Defenders get a hard time, unless they score idiots like you don't see the work they do. Like talking to a shell

Pot Kettle Black here lad. You don't appear to respect anyone else's opinion either
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 29, 2017, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: Club boi on March 29, 2017, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 29, 2017, 09:58:37 PM
Ah whatever man, il tell I'm glad we have him. I'd rather him be playing for us thank against us anyhow. Defenders get a hard time, unless they score idiots like you don't see the work they do. Like talking to a shell

Pot Kettle Black here lad. You don't appear to respect anyone else's opinion either
Yep everyone is either a clown or an idiot
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 29, 2017, 10:46:14 PM
seanmc123 i suppose u were one of the people standing giving mc carron an ovation when he got subbed in one of the mc kenna cup games this year? and him a fuckin disgrace to the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 07:12:18 AM
Man has turned his life around, fair play to him. He has faced shit a lot of us will never know about. Your a negative asshole,  no clown by the way. Let's hope none of your family comes upon addiction, for there sake
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 30, 2017, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 07:12:18 AM
Man has turned his life around, fair play to him. He has faced shit a lot of us will never know about. Your a negative asshole,  no clown by the way. Let's hope none of your family comes upon addiction, for there sake

Under no circumstances would i talk about mccarrons personnal life on here..... i am only talking about his performances for Tyrone i think he does not look as fit as he was he has bulked up too much imo...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 09:58:20 AM
In footballing terms cathal McCarron is a nobody. Don't really care about his book especially after he started demonizing the IRA who are extinct. Fergus would care to remember this is a staunchly Republican county were young men have died for their community.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
What sort of shit are you on about? This is a football forum, stick on topic or feck off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 30, 2017, 10:06:19 AM
I too thought McCarron looked a bit off the pace especially in the first half. He looked content to let Moran get out in front and win the ball and lay it off. For the goal he is a yard or two behind him and then when he passed it off McCarron points at Parsons who McCurry had lost and Colm was trying to get back but was out of position.
Usually Cathal would be out in front of his man or at least competing with him for the ball.
It will be interesting to see how he fares this Sunday against Kerry. I see their U21s hammered Cork last night.

I have a feeling both Donegal and Monaghan could lose this weekend so hopefully we can end the league with an away win as the mood is somewhat despondent of late. Kerry have lost to Mayo and Monaghan at home and drew with the Dubs.

Lads keep the chat about football if ye can.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 10:32:49 AM
Some absolute garbage on here from boys who have clearly never kicked a ball in their life. So much hysteria to. You seem to think it is your duty on this to start a campaign to get mickey out. Think yous are using the wrong forum lads but not suprising because most I would imagine aren't even involved with their clubs.

You do not want to be peaking this time of the year, yes there are problems to work on but that's football. No manager would come in with the midas touch and change things. You should be getting behind the team and management and worry about who you want in and out at the end of the year.

I suspect a few aren't actually from tyrone but jesus its depressing to listen to.

2 big losses for kilarney would be a big ask to get anything down there but we'll give er a lash!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 30, 2017, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: Bring back club football on March 28, 2017, 02:31:44 PM
Dear oh dear. Bad few weeks for Tyrone supporters. 21s well beat by Donegal missing a host of players and missing a penalty. Seniors look to be flat and running out of ideas. All the while club football is on life support with the life getting sucked out of it due to the focus in all ways on goings on up in Garvaghey.

That hole 'story' about Donegal missing a load of players was dung.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 30, 2017, 10:45:57 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 10:32:49 AM
Some absolute garbage on here from boys who have clearly never kicked a ball in their life. So much hysteria to. You seem to think it is your duty on this to start a campaign to get mickey out. Think yous are using the wrong forum lads but not suprising because most I would imagine aren't even involved with their clubs.

You do not want to be peaking this time of the year, yes there are problems to work on but that's football. No manager would come in with the midas touch and change things. You should be getting behind the team and management and worry about who you want in and out at the end of the year.

I suspect a few aren't actually from tyrone but jesus its depressing to listen to.

2 big losses for kilarney would be a big ask to get anything down there but we'll give er a lash!

Interesting red hand defender but we need red hand attackers... we're going sideways at best but mostly backwards
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 30, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
If Tyrone were winning every game there would be slabbers on here giving off that they are peaking too early by doing too much, as it is they are doing ok but again this isn't good enough for most people.  I would hope that Harte is looking at the bigger picture and is looking for the team to peak in the summer, but I still worry over our apparent lack of a plan B, lack of a real top drawer forward or 2, inability to press on kickouts and our inability to score frees.  Mickey Harte is a great manager but change is required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 30, 2017, 10:57:39 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
If Tyrone were winning every game there would be slabbers on here giving off that they are peaking too early by doing too much, as it is they are doing ok but again this isn't good enough for most people.  I would hope that Harte is looking at the bigger picture and is looking for the team to peak in the summer, but I still worry over our apparent lack of a plan B, lack of a real top drawer forward or 2, inability to press on kickouts and our inability to score frees.  Mickey Harte is a great manager but change is required.
Do you mean inability to press on kickouts or a definite tactic not to press up on kickouts
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
If Tyrone were winning every game there would be slabbers on here giving off that they are peaking too early by doing too much, as it is they are doing ok but again this isn't good enough for most people.  I would hope that Harte is looking at the bigger picture and is looking for the team to peak in the summer, but I still worry over our apparent lack of a plan B, lack of a real top drawer forward or 2, inability to press on kickouts and our inability to score frees.  Mickey Harte is a great manager but change is required.

There is plenty I wish he would do, in my head if he done it it would work perfectly, in reality I haven't a clue and I could just say woops in my head and go back to slating him for the mistakes he makes. He is where he is for a reason so shout about what you would like to see fair enough but cut the hysteria and dilusion in your own head that your changes are the answer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on March 30, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
I see Mattie Donnelly has been given a 1 match ban for punching Aidan O'Shea at the end of last weeks game, big miss for the Kerry match
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 30, 2017, 11:51:32 AM
As one of the Mayo posters wrote on a different thread, most teams know now how Tyrone are gonna set up and play.
They expect us to play 13/14 men behind the ball. They expect us to not push up for kickouts. They expect us to miss frees from 35+ yards.

My point is we have become very predictable and I think that is why Mickey was toying with the idea of playing Sean and Mattie in at FF. Personally I think "The System" has become a bit of a noose around our neck that we are far too rigid in keeping to. Too often I see players in forward positions scared to take a man on in fear he will lose possession and so turn back and recycle. Sludden and maybe McGeary seems to be one of the few to try to break a tackle and push through into a scoring position. This is why we are not creating goal scoring chances or even good point scoring opportunities as teams are happy to keep us out on the wings 40 yards from goal.

Does anyone know do our players practice free taking on their own as much as they used to or are they too busy doing other stuff? From what I hear free taking requires a lot of practice from week to week but I am asking does our lads still do that or are they working on other stuff. It just seems amazing that this problem doesn't seem to be improving from year to year. Of course players can have an off day like Petey last Sunday but it is the one thing that could be gaining us 4 or 5 more points a game. Would it not even be worth bringing young Brennan in JUST for his free taking duties now that the U21s are over? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 30, 2017, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
If Tyrone were winning every game there would be slabbers on here giving off that they are peaking too early by doing too much, as it is they are doing ok but again this isn't good enough for most people.  I would hope that Harte is looking at the bigger picture and is looking for the team to peak in the summer, but I still worry over our apparent lack of a plan B, lack of a real top drawer forward or 2, inability to press on kickouts and our inability to score frees.  Mickey Harte is a great manager but change is required.

There is plenty I wish he would do, in my head if he done it it would work perfectly, in reality I haven't a clue and I could just say woops in my head and go back to slating him for the mistakes he makes. He is where he is for a reason so shout about what you would like to see fair enough but cut the hysteria and dilusion in your own head that your changes are the answer

Just a question for your head then. Are you saying that everyones opinion that is not the same as mickey harte(or maybe gavin devlins), are wrong
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on March 30, 2017, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 30, 2017, 11:51:32 AM
As one of the Mayo posters wrote on a different thread, most teams know now how Tyrone are gonna set up and play.
They expect us to play 13/14 men behind the ball. They expect us to not push up for kickouts. They expect us to miss frees from 35+ yards.

My point is we have become very predictable and I think that is why Mickey was toying with the idea of playing Sean and Mattie in at FF. Personally I think "The System" has become a bit of a noose around our neck that we are far too rigid in keeping to. Too often I see players in forward positions scared to take a man on in fear he will lose possession and so turn back and recycle. Sludden and maybe McGeary seems to be one of the few to try to break a tackle and push through into a scoring position. This is why we are not creating goal scoring chances or even good point scoring opportunities as teams are happy to keep us out on the wings 40 yards from goal.

Does anyone know do our players practice free taking on their own as much as they used to or are they too busy doing other stuff? From what I hear free taking requires a lot of practice from week to week but I am asking does our lads still do that or are they working on other stuff. It just seems amazing that this problem doesn't seem to be improving from year to year. Of course players can have an off day like Petey last Sunday but it is the one thing that could be gaining us 4 or 5 more points a game. Would it not even be worth bringing young Brennan in JUST for his free taking duties now that the U21s are over?


I know Mark Bradley & Darren McCurry practice free taking in their own time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 12:19:21 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 30, 2017, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
If Tyrone were winning every game there would be slabbers on here giving off that they are peaking too early by doing too much, as it is they are doing ok but again this isn't good enough for most people.  I would hope that Harte is looking at the bigger picture and is looking for the team to peak in the summer, but I still worry over our apparent lack of a plan B, lack of a real top drawer forward or 2, inability to press on kickouts and our inability to score frees.  Mickey Harte is a great manager but change is required.

There is plenty I wish he would do, in my head if he done it it would work perfectly, in reality I haven't a clue and I could just say woops in my head and go back to slating him for the mistakes he makes. He is where he is for a reason so shout about what you would like to see fair enough but cut the hysteria and dilusion in your own head that your changes are the answer

Just a question for your head then. Are you saying that everyones opinion that is not the same as mickey harte(or maybe gavin devlins), are wrong

Yes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
What sort of shit are you on about? This is a football forum, stick on topic or feck off.
maybe Fergus should stick to the football then. Ok princess?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
What sort of shit are you on about? This is a football forum, stick on topic or feck off.
maybe Fergus should stick to the football then. Ok princess?

You a big man hiding behind a forum with a fake name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
What sort of shit are you on about? This is a football forum, stick on topic or feck off.
maybe Fergus should stick to the football then. Ok princess?

Hard to take a boy like you serious when it appears your only purpose is to denigrate Mickey Harte and Cathal McCarron. Then again you're more than likely just an alias of another poster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on March 30, 2017, 02:56:34 PM
I do understand when we say peaking later on in the season is key and that is 100% fine.... but i will say Mattie and Cathal McCarron are carrying more bulk than they normally do which i can see being a problem for them..i hope i am wrong though.... Get Sundays game to hell out of the road and then the prep starts for the real football and we will see then what happen.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 30, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Fact - Since 2010 Tyrone have won just 7 of 30 league and championship matches vs Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo, the top four. Just one of those in the championship but sure everything's grand. Harte's doing a great job  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Fact - Since 2010 Tyrone have won just 7 of 30 league and championship matches vs Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo, the top four. Just one of those in the championship but sure everything's grand. Harte's doing a great job  :o

whats your point? Tyrone were awful between 2010 and 2013. They need a big scalp yes, do you think mattie mc gleenan comes in and that starts happening? catch a grip
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 30, 2017, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Fact - Since 2010 Tyrone have won just 7 of 30 league and championship matches vs Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo, the top four. Just one of those in the championship but sure everything's grand. Harte's doing a great job  :o

whats your point? Tyrone were awful between 2010 and 2013. They need a big scalp yes, do you think mattie mc gleenan comes in and that starts happening? catch a grip
well if mickey Harte cant do it then someone else deserves a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 30, 2017, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 30, 2017, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Fact - Since 2010 Tyrone have won just 7 of 30 league and championship matches vs Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo, the top four. Just one of those in the championship but sure everything's grand. Harte's doing a great job  :o

whats your point? Tyrone were awful between 2010 and 2013. They need a big scalp yes, do you think mattie mc gleenan comes in and that starts happening? catch a grip
well if mickey Harte cant do it then someone else deserves a chance.

Are you me? Cant have two people with the same opinion!  :-[
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 30, 2017, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Fact - Since 2010 Tyrone have won just 7 of 30 league and championship matches vs Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo, the top four. Just one of those in the championship but sure everything's grand. Harte's doing a great job  :o

whats your point? Tyrone were awful between 2010 and 2013. They need a big scalp yes, do you think mattie mc gleenan comes in and that starts happening? catch a grip
How do you make that out. 2011 Tyrone lost a semi final against Donegal. Most of them had won Ulster medals 11 months earlier. But sure, you know your stuff.
They were hammered by Dublin in the quarters as our tactical genius decided to go 2 on 2. The Mc Mahons against Connolly and Bernard Brogan with an acre of space in front of them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
What sort of shit are you on about? This is a football forum, stick on topic or feck off.
maybe Fergus should stick to the football then. Ok princess?

Hard to take a boy like you serious when it appears your only purpose is to denigrate Mickey Harte and Cathal McCarron. Then again you're more than likely just an alias of another poster.
I don't care about Harte or McCarron. I do care about self serving narcissists' dragging Tyrone through the gutter. Time to drain the swamp. Time to make Tyrone great again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on March 30, 2017, 07:16:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 30, 2017, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Fact - Since 2010 Tyrone have won just 7 of 30 league and championship matches vs Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo, the top four. Just one of those in the championship but sure everything's grand. Harte's doing a great job  :o

whats your point? Tyrone were awful between 2010 and 2013. They need a big scalp yes, do you think mattie mc gleenan comes in and that starts happening? catch a grip
How do you make that out. 2011 Tyrone lost a semi final against Donegal. Most of them had won Ulster medals 11 months earlier. But sure, you know your stuff.
They were hammered by Dublin in the quarters as our tactical genius decided to go 2 on 2. The Mc Mahons against Connolly and Bernard Brogan with an acre of space in front of them

So you're slating Harte for not flooding the defence in 2011 and slating him for doing it the past couple of years.

Give it a rest, Lenny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 30, 2017, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 30, 2017, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Fact - Since 2010 Tyrone have won just 7 of 30 league and championship matches vs Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo, the top four. Just one of those in the championship but sure everything's grand. Harte's doing a great job  :o

whats your point? Tyrone were awful between 2010 and 2013. They need a big scalp yes, do you think mattie mc gleenan comes in and that starts happening? catch a grip
How do you make that out. 2011 Tyrone lost a semi final against Donegal. Most of them had won Ulster medals 11 months earlier. But sure, you know your stuff.
They were hammered by Dublin in the quarters as our tactical genius decided to go 2 on 2. The Mc Mahons against Connolly and Bernard Brogan with an acre of space in front of them
that 2011 game was the end of harte for me. 2 men left out to dry in defence. ricey warming the bench. weve had to endure another 6 years of hartes tactics since. time to move on mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 30, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 30, 2017, 07:16:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 30, 2017, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 30, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Fact - Since 2010 Tyrone have won just 7 of 30 league and championship matches vs Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo, the top four. Just one of those in the championship but sure everything's grand. Harte's doing a great job  :o

whats your point? Tyrone were awful between 2010 and 2013. They need a big scalp yes, do you think mattie mc gleenan comes in and that starts happening? catch a grip
How do you make that out. 2011 Tyrone lost a semi final against Donegal. Most of them had won Ulster medals 11 months earlier. But sure, you know your stuff.
They were hammered by Dublin in the quarters as our tactical genius decided to go 2 on 2. The Mc Mahons against Connolly and Bernard Brogan with an acre of space in front of them

So you're slating Harte for not flooding the defence in 2011 and slating him for doing it the past couple of years.

Give it a rest, Lenny.

There we go. You don't know the difference between playing 14 men in your half and providing a bit of protection for your defence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
What sort of shit are you on about? This is a football forum, stick on topic or feck off.
maybe Fergus should stick to the football then. Ok princess?

Hard to take a boy like you serious when it appears your only purpose is to denigrate Mickey Harte and Cathal McCarron. Then again you're more than likely just an alias of another poster.
I don't care about Harte or McCarron. I do care about self serving narcissists' dragging Tyrone through the gutter. Time to drain the swamp. Time to make Tyrone great again.

Narcissis? Big word, do you even know what it means? Il tell you one thing and I could speak for most of tyrone on this. We would rather not have you following our team if that's your attitude. f**k off down some hole ya p***k. You don't even know Cathal McCarron yet your fond of comenting on him ! Wonder would you be as big to his face? Something tells me not. I stand by Tyrone and all the players as there doing their best for this county, training every night and dedicating themselves to tyrone gaa. Great bunch of men
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 10:01:07 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 30, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
What sort of shit are you on about? This is a football forum, stick on topic or feck off.
maybe Fergus should stick to the football then. Ok princess?

Hard to take a boy like you serious when it appears your only purpose is to denigrate Mickey Harte and Cathal McCarron. Then again you're more than likely just an alias of another poster.
I don't care about Harte or McCarron. I do care about self serving narcissists' dragging Tyrone through the gutter. Time to drain the swamp. Time to make Tyrone great again.

Narcissis? Big word, do you even know what it means? Il tell you one thing and I could speak for most of tyrone on this. We would rather not have you following our team if that's your attitude. f**k off down some hole ya p***k. You don't even know Cathal McCarron yet your fond of comenting on him ! Wonder would you be as big to his face? Something tells me not. I stand by Tyrone and all the players as there doing their best for this county, training every night and dedicating themselves to tyrone gaa. Great bunch of men wow. The man wrote a book about his life. So I do know him and i will judge him. Speak for Tyrone do you? Maybe the caravan site in dromore but not Tyrone. Your language is disgusting and is beneath contempt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
If a size 5 hit you on the head you wouldn't know what it was. I speak for a hell of a lot of tyrone ones? Do you go to games do you ya reptile...
Your an unequivocally licentious wretch and a myopic blood-curdling conglomerate of intellectual constipation
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 30, 2017, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
If a size 5 hit you on the head you wouldn't know what it was. I speak for a hell of a lot of tyrone ones? Do you go to games do you ya reptile...
Your an unequivocally licentious wretch and a myopic blood-curdling conglomerate of intellectual constipation

Someone's touched a nerve
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 10:21:13 PM
Yeah, pity he wouldn't come up to the dromore area.. back of the van job for him ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 30, 2017, 10:23:15 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 10:21:13 PM
Yeah, pity he wouldn't come up to the dromore area.. back of the van job for him ;)
dont believe everything you read in mc carrons book. you should lock teaminamillion in the back of a van with mc carron. that would really teach him a lesson.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on March 30, 2017, 10:43:26 PM
Tyrone (NFL v Kerry): Mickey O'Neill; Aidan McCrory, Pádraig Hampsey, Cathal McCarron; Tiernan McCann, Ronan McNabb, Peter Harte; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Conall McCann, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Mark Bradley, Sean Cavanagh, Darren McCurry.

Throw in is at 2pm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on March 31, 2017, 11:14:56 AM
I think we are going to take a bit of a hiding in the kingdom.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on March 31, 2017, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: Helpline on March 31, 2017, 11:14:56 AM
I think we are going to take a bit of a hiding in the kingdom.

I have the same feeling, but hopefully not  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 31, 2017, 12:35:23 PM
I don't think so lads. Kerry are virtually safe and don't have too much to play for.
They didn't seem to put up much of a fight against Cavan who held P.Geaney scoreless from play

They brought on Darren O'Sullivan and Brian Sheehan in the first half so they must be quite understrength.

This was their lineup last Sunday.
Kerry: B Kealy, F Fitzgerald, M Griffin, R Shanahan, P Crowley, T Morley, P Murphy, D Moran, J Barry (0-1), A Spillane, K McCarthy, D Walsh (0-1), J Savage, P Geaney (0-6f), S O'Brien (0-1)

Subs: D O'Sullivan for McCarthy (8 mins, b/c), B Sheehan (0-2, 1f) for Spillane (28 mins), BJ Keane (0-2) for Savage (40), J Lyne for Crowley (61), M Geaney for Barry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 31, 2017, 01:23:29 PM
Kerry will go all out to win... they won't want to give Tyrone any belief that they can beat them with the championship coming soon. With our recent past no way Kerry would have Tyrone walk out of their with a win. Mattie a huge blow though we're a beaten docket anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on March 31, 2017, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 30, 2017, 10:23:15 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 10:21:13 PM
Yeah, pity he wouldn't come up to the dromore area.. back of the van job for him ;)
dont believe everything you read in mc carrons book. you should lock teaminamillion in the back of a van with mc carron. that would really teach him a lesson.


I am so sick and tired of your posts.. it's the same drivel over and over again .. you would need to wise up, I'm just glad you don't contribute anything to the club thread, you're clearly a fair weather county supporter .. but you've crossed the line this time .. and don't give me this dung about it being your opinion nlah blah you are ruining this thread for ppl who were here long before you and hopefully long after you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 31, 2017, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 31, 2017, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 30, 2017, 10:23:15 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 10:21:13 PM
Yeah, pity he wouldn't come up to the dromore area.. back of the van job for him ;)
dont believe everything you read in mc carrons book. you should lock teaminamillion in the back of a van with mc carron. that would really teach him a lesson.


I am so sick and tired of your posts.. it's the same drivel over and over again .. you would need to wise up, I'm just glad you don't contribute anything to the club thread, you're clearly a fair weather county supporter .. but you've crossed the line this time .. and don't give me this dung about it being your opinion nlah blah you are ruining this thread for ppl who were here long before you and hopefully long after you
Il assume your post is directed at me and I'm sorry I've upset your little mickey Harte love in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 31, 2017, 05:15:54 PM
STG and a few others. We get it you want Mickey out and of course you're entitled to your opinion but there really is no point repeating the same stuff over and over again. You're just pissing people off and nobody wants to read it.
Of course we want to read well balanced arguments and good reasons to why the team aren't doing well and how things could improve but we're fed up hearing now Mickey has to go blah blah blah.

I've went through stages where I wanted Mickey to resign as well and I gave my reasons. At the moment I think he has helped build a new team from the U21s and a few of the older lads and I think we've improved in the last few years. The team from the 2000s had to be rebuilt and that takes time. Look at teams like Cork, Armagh, Meath who have all fallen away and struggle to even win their province now.
Whilst we have not been in an AI final for 9 years now, we have been in 2 AI semifinals in recent years and in a National league final in 2013. Last year we regained our Ulster title and came very close to beating Mayo who went on to draw with Dublin in the AI final.
To me we are back on the right track but still have a few issues that need sorting out but I cannot see any other manager doing anything differently.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
The few lads on here are guys who bought their first red and white headband in 2003 and being mainly influenced by twitter and the Premier league they feel it's appropriate to boo their team and shout for managers to get sacked in the GAA. Unfortunately they are products of the times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 31, 2017, 05:46:32 PM
Beating boys up in the back of a van is of a bygone age in dromore lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 31, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
The few lads on here are guys who bought their first red and white headband in 2003 and being mainly influenced by twitter and the Premier league they feel it's appropriate to boo their team and shout for managers to get sacked in the GAA. Unfortunately they are products of the times.

says the sheep
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 31, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
The few lads on here are guys who bought their first red and white headband in 2003 and being mainly influenced by twitter and the Premier league they feel it's appropriate to boo their team and shout for managers to get sacked in the GAA. Unfortunately they are products of the times.

says the sheep

Maybe, but at least I don't follow the influence of British soccer culture that you lads clearly embrace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 31, 2017, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 31, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
The few lads on here are guys who bought their first red and white headband in 2003 and being mainly influenced by twitter and the Premier league they feel it's appropriate to boo their team and shout for managers to get sacked in the GAA. Unfortunately they are products of the times.

says the sheep

Maybe, but at least I don't follow the influence of British soccer culture that you lads clearly embrace.

you probably do but that makes you sound like a great Irish man  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 31, 2017, 07:05:14 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on March 30, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
If a size 5 hit you on the head you wouldn't know what it was. I speak for a hell of a lot of tyrone ones? Do you go to games do you ya reptile...
Your an unequivocally licentious wretch and a myopic blood-curdling conglomerate of intellectual constipation
I walked into Easons bookshop last December and acquired two books. I bought Kieran donaghys and stole cathal McCarrons cos I know that's what he would have done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 31, 2017, 07:10:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 31, 2017, 05:15:54 PM
STG and a few others. We get it you want Mickey out and of course you're entitled to your opinion but there really is no point repeating the same stuff over and over again. You're just pissing people off and nobody wants to read it.
Of course we want to read well balanced arguments and good reasons to why the team aren't doing well and how things could improve but we're fed up hearing now Mickey has to go blah blah blah.

I've went through stages where I wanted Mickey to resign as well and I gave my reasons. At the moment I think he has helped build a new team from the U21s and a few of the older lads and I think we've improved in the last few years. The team from the 2000s had to be rebuilt and that takes time. Look at teams like Cork, Armagh, Meath who have all fallen away and struggle to even win their province now.
Whilst we have not been in an AI final for 9 years now, we have been in 2 AI semifinals in recent years and in a National league final in 2013. Last year we regained our Ulster title and came very close to beating Mayo who went on to draw with Dublin in the AI final.
To me we are back on the right track but still have a few issues that need sorting out but I cannot see any other manager doing anything differently.


following them since 84 so don't try and insult our intelligence when it comes to Tyrone football business.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 31, 2017, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 31, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
The few lads on here are guys who bought their first red and white headband in 2003 and being mainly influenced by twitter and the Premier league they feel it's appropriate to boo their team and shout for managers to get sacked in the GAA. Unfortunately they are products of the times.

says the sheep

Maybe, but at least I don't follow the influence of British soccer culture that you lads clearly embrace.

you probably do but that makes you sound like a great Irish man  :D

It just gets a bit tiresome hearing the same "sack the manager" line. It's a soccer thing. I've never come across it in the GAA until recent years  as generally there's a bit of respect for the lads doing the job. Of course I don't agree with everything Harte does and have criticised plenty of his decisions, but I just cringe when the "supporters" start calling for people to be sacked. Each to their own I suppose but you'll be the same guys shouting for the next man to sacked...,and the next man.....and the next man! It's a modern day mentality of this divine right to win bought about, ironically, by the success Harte has brought to the county over the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 31, 2017, 07:23:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 31, 2017, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 31, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
The few lads on here are guys who bought their first red and white headband in 2003 and being mainly influenced by twitter and the Premier league they feel it's appropriate to boo their team and shout for managers to get sacked in the GAA. Unfortunately they are products of the times.

says the sheep

Maybe, but at least I don't follow the influence of British soccer culture that you lads clearly embrace.

you probably do but that makes you sound like a great Irish man  :D

It just gets a bit tiresome hearing the same "sack the manager" line. It's a soccer thing. I've never come across it in the GAA until recent years  as generally there's a bit of respect for the lads doing the job. Of course I don't agree with everything Harte does and have criticised plenty of his decisions, but I just cringe when the "supporters" start calling for people to be sacked. Each to their own I suppose but you'll be the same guys shouting for the next man to sacked...,and the next man.....and the next man! It's a modern day mentality of this divine right to win bought about, ironically, by the success Harte has brought to the county over the years.

'Sacked?'    people who get sacked are getting paid.. you're not suggesting?...  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 31, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
dont know if any of you listened to joe brolly live from crossmaglen on newstalk off the ball but he gave tyrone some goin over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on March 31, 2017, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
dont know if any of you listened to joe brolly live from crossmaglen on newstalk off the ball but he gave tyrone some goin over.
Joe has family connections in Tyrone and was their chief cheerleader back in the noughties. He knows Tyrone have the players there and it continually frustrates him their potential is been lost under the current drudge. My message to Joe would be, the era of Mickey Harte is coming to an end. Sounds good! Might just say it again Mickey Harte will soon be no longer the Tyrone manager!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 31, 2017, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 31, 2017, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
dont know if any of you listened to joe brolly live from crossmaglen on newstalk off the ball but he gave tyrone some goin over.
Joe has family connections in Tyrone and was their chief cheerleader back in the noughties. He knows Tyrone have the players there and it continually frustrates him their potential is been lost under the current drudge. My message to Joe would be, the era of Mickey Harte is coming to an end. Sounds good! Might just say it again Mickey Harte will soon be no longer the Tyrone manager!

Every single one of your posts to date have been to criticise Micky Harte. Your a sad individual who is pre-occupied with ridiculing the management as opposed to supporting your county, if indeed it is your county!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 31, 2017, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
dont know if any of you listened to joe brolly live from crossmaglen on newstalk off the ball but he gave tyrone some goin over.
Joe has family connections in Tyrone and was their chief cheerleader back in the noughties. He knows Tyrone have the players there and it continually frustrates him their potential is been lost under the current drudge. My message to Joe would be, the era of Mickey Harte is coming to an end. Sounds good! Might just say it again Mickey Harte will soon be no longer the Tyrone manager!

😂 This confirms that you are on the wind up!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 01, 2017, 03:42:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2017, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 31, 2017, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
dont know if any of you listened to joe brolly live from crossmaglen on newstalk off the ball but he gave tyrone some goin over.
Joe has family connections in Tyrone and was their chief cheerleader back in the noughties. He knows Tyrone have the players there and it continually frustrates him their potential is been lost under the current drudge. My message to Joe would be, the era of Mickey Harte is coming to an end. Sounds good! Might just say it again Mickey Harte will soon be no longer the Tyrone manager!

😂 This confirms that you are on the wind up!
Do I like to get my point across while at the same time piss people off? Well of course I do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 01, 2017, 03:48:25 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 31, 2017, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 31, 2017, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
dont know if any of you listened to joe brolly live from crossmaglen on newstalk off the ball but he gave tyrone some goin over.
Joe has family connections in Tyrone and was their chief cheerleader back in the noughties. He knows Tyrone have the players there and it continually frustrates him their potential is been lost under the current drudge. My message to Joe would be, the era of Mickey Harte is coming to an end. Sounds good! Might just say it again Mickey Harte will soon be no longer the Tyrone manager!

Every single one of your posts to date have been to criticise Micky Harte. Your a sad individual who is pre-occupied with ridiculing the management as opposed to supporting your county, if indeed it is your county!!
I will get behind my county by doing the right thing and that is to call out Harte and his ways. I won't apologies for that either!Taxi for Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on April 01, 2017, 08:14:34 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on March 31, 2017, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
dont know if any of you listened to joe brolly live from crossmaglen on newstalk off the ball but he gave tyrone some goin over.
Joe has family connections in Tyrone and was their chief cheerleader back in the noughties. He knows Tyrone have the players there and it continually frustrates him their potential is been lost under the current drudge. My message to Joe would be, the era of Mickey Harte is coming to an end. Sounds good! Might just say it again Mickey Harte will soon be no longer the Tyrone manager!

And now he's got twitter followers in Dublin and a good job in RTE.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
Any chance Michael McKernan will be added to the squad after the league?

Harte has added u-21 players to the squad in previous seasons after their Championship has concluded - Meyler and Brennan in 2015 and Burns last year.

McKernan would be the standout player not currenlty involved with the senior set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on April 01, 2017, 12:40:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
Any chance Michael McKernan will be added to the squad after the league?

Harte has added u-21 players to the squad in previous seasons after their Championship has concluded - Meyler and Brennan in 2015 and Burns last year.

McKernan would be the standout player not currenlty involved with the senior set up.
Talent is there and would add depth, particularly in the full back line. Hes only turned 19 but so might be a bit soon to call him up.
Also a bit of a waste, unlikely to get much chance to impress and another year with his club might be off more benefit than sitting in the stand for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 01, 2017, 01:28:30 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 01, 2017, 12:40:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
Any chance Michael McKernan will be added to the squad after the league?

Harte has added u-21 players to the squad in previous seasons after their Championship has concluded - Meyler and Brennan in 2015 and Burns last year.

McKernan would be the standout player not currenlty involved with the senior set up.
Talent is there and would add depth, particularly in the full back line. Hes only turned 19 but so might be a bit soon to call him up.
Also a bit of a waste, unlikely to get much chance to impress and another year with his club might be off more benefit than sitting in the stand for Tyrone.

Exactly. The careers of so many "Potential" players have been wasted training in Garvaghy and not playing for their clubs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 01, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
This is worth listening to. Joe in fine form, plenty of laughs and tells the truth about the rubbish being played by Tyrone and other counties... http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
This is worth listening to. Joe in fine form, plenty of laughs and tells the truth about the rubbish being played by Tyrone and other counties... http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen

Yeah, playing fast and loose football against this Dublin side has proven to be very successful for many teams.....

The problem now is the gulf in class between the top teams and the rest, there is a huge gap in resources and given players are so much faster, stronger and mobile these days then if you leave space it will be a turkey shoot with the better teams beating the weaker teams at a canter.

Look at the way Dublin dispose of the likes of Longford  and Laois when they go out and play naive football against them 20 + point hammerings.

Look at the way Mayo destroyed Sligo in the Connacht final when they went out and played naive football.

The real problem is not defensive football, the real problem is competitiveness and the gap is only going to widen between the have and have nots.

If defensive football keeps the game more competitive then I'm happy with that rather than the alternative of Dublin having won games by half time.

Give me a dour 8 points to 6 points win over Dublin putting on a clinic in a 4-25 to 11 point exhibitions style Championship game, every day of the week.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 01, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
il bomber we are already playing dour football and we arent beating the big teams so seems pointless and wrong. we cant even justify our defensive, negative approach with results.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 01, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
il bomber we are already playing dour football and we arent beating the big teams so seems pointless and wrong. we cant even justify our defensive, negative approach with results.

We are competitive though.

Like it or not we were a few breaks away from beating Mayo last year, we were a few breaks away from beating Kerry the year before.

All the top teams play defensively now, particularly when they face off against each other.

Dublin have the best footballers in the country. They're big, athletic and polished footballers. No team can go and go toe for toe with them in an open attacking game, they will get eaten alive. Playing defensive gives you a chance at least.

It's competitive football, it's substance over style in this game and even Dublin had to reorganise their philosophy after what happened in 2014.

I'm not worried about our style, I think it has worked to a certain degree, we've had the chances and opportunities to be in an All Ireland final but in the end have lacked the quality. Harte is not perfect but he has us in a decent place right now and it's how we progress and cut out the same mistakes that will define whether we can go that step further.

The same mistakes being repeated are worrying but it's small margins we're talking about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 01, 2017, 09:59:20 PM
small margins can make the difference between winning all irelands and not. and we are not making these margins count in our favour. not because we are unlucky, just because we are not brave enough and clinical enough to make it count. do you honestly believe that playing the way we play now is gonna be good enough to beat any of the big 3 come august?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 01, 2017, 09:59:20 PM
small margins can make the difference between winning all irelands and not. and we are not making these margins count in our favour. not because we are unlucky, just because we are not brave enough and clinical enough to make it count. do you honestly believe that playing the way we play now is gonna be good enough to beat any of the big 3 come august?

In what context?

They style we play or the level we're playing it at currently?

The style certainly can win it, small margins is what separates us at the minutes. We know we can limit the big sides to around 12, 13, 14 points.

It's bettering that is problem at the minute but it's not as if we aren't creating the chances. We had them in our exits to Kerry and Mayo in our last two Championship exits, we had them in the games against Dublin and Mayo in the league this year. If we improve our efficiency in front of the posts then we have an excellent chance.

Time will be the answer but I don't think there is any logical reasoning that will sate your desire. You'll be hearing launching scurrilous attacks on Harte irrespective of whether he delivers an All Ireland this year. Will you pledge to resign from the forum if Harte wins an All Ireland this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 01, 2017, 10:31:07 PM
if harte delivers an all ireland this year then il have nothing more to say so i deffo wont be on here again. i firmly believe that there IS an all ireland in this team but i dont think it will be mickey who will make it happen. too many things against us for it to happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 01, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
This is worth listening to. Joe in fine form, plenty of laughs and tells the truth about the rubbish being played by Tyrone and other counties... http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen

Yeah, playing fast and loose football against this Dublin side has proven to be very successful for many teams.....

The problem now is the gulf in class between the top teams and the rest, there is a huge gap in resources and given players are so much faster, stronger and mobile these days then if you leave space it will be a turkey shoot with the better teams beating the weaker teams at a canter.

Look at the way Dublin dispose of the likes of Longford  and Laois when they go out and play naive football against them 20 + point hammerings.

Look at the way Mayo destroyed Sligo in the Connacht final when they went out and played naive football.

The real problem is not defensive football, the real problem is competitiveness and the gap is only going to widen between the have and have nots.

If defensive football keeps the game more competitive then I'm happy with that rather than the alternative of Dublin having won games by half time.

Give me a dour 8 points to 6 points win over Dublin putting on a clinic in a 4-25 to 11 point exhibitions style Championship game, every day of the week.

Biggest load of nonsense written here in a long time. Gulf in class? Donegal V Tyrone last years Ulster final?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mrs mills on April 01, 2017, 11:04:44 PM
I'm sure Sean Hurson will watch the recording of today's Hogan Final and regret that he denied Wexford a perfectly good goal in the first two minutes. The lad passed the ball on his 5th step. Given that there are several examples of him allowing seven and eight steps elsewhere in the game, it was a very very poor call. He may also want to have a word with his officials, four of whom missed the push on the Wexford full forward which sent the player tumbling in the penalty area a few minutes later. The disapproving roar from the crowd will have alerted him to it but too late. The Kerry team may well have gone on to win the match anyway, but Sean did the Leinster boys no favours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
This is worth listening to. Joe in fine form, plenty of laughs and tells the truth about the rubbish being played by Tyrone and other counties... http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen

Yeah, playing fast and loose football against this Dublin side has proven to be very successful for many teams.....

The problem now is the gulf in class between the top teams and the rest, there is a huge gap in resources and given players are so much faster, stronger and mobile these days then if you leave space it will be a turkey shoot with the better teams beating the weaker teams at a canter.

Look at the way Dublin dispose of the likes of Longford  and Laois when they go out and play naive football against them 20 + point hammerings.

Look at the way Mayo destroyed Sligo in the Connacht final when they went out and played naive football.

The real problem is not defensive football, the real problem is competitiveness and the gap is only going to widen between the have and have nots.

If defensive football keeps the game more competitive then I'm happy with that rather than the alternative of Dublin having won games by half time.

Give me a dour 8 points to 6 points win over Dublin putting on a clinic in a 4-25 to 11 point exhibitions style Championship game, every day of the week.

Biggest load of nonsense written here in a long time. Gulf in class? Donegal V Tyrone last years Ulster final?

What are you on about?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 02, 2017, 12:09:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
This is worth listening to. Joe in fine form, plenty of laughs and tells the truth about the rubbish being played by Tyrone and other counties... http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen

Yeah, playing fast and loose football against this Dublin side has proven to be very successful for many teams.....

The problem now is the gulf in class between the top teams and the rest, there is a huge gap in resources and given players are so much faster, stronger and mobile these days then if you leave space it will be a turkey shoot with the better teams beating the weaker teams at a canter.

Look at the way Dublin dispose of the likes of Longford  and Laois when they go out and play naive football against them 20 + point hammerings.

Look at the way Mayo destroyed Sligo in the Connacht final when they went out and played naive football.

The real problem is not defensive football, the real problem is competitiveness and the gap is only going to widen between the have and have nots.

If defensive football keeps the game more competitive then I'm happy with that rather than the alternative of Dublin having won games by half time.

Give me a dour 8 points to 6 points win over Dublin putting on a clinic in a 4-25 to 11 point exhibitions style Championship game, every day of the week.

Biggest load of nonsense written here in a long time. Gulf in class? Donegal V Tyrone last years Ulster final?

What are you on about?

You havent a clue lad  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 02, 2017, 12:12:36 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 02, 2017, 12:09:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
This is worth listening to. Joe in fine form, plenty of laughs and tells the truth about the rubbish being played by Tyrone and other counties... http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen

Yeah, playing fast and loose football against this Dublin side has proven to be very successful for many teams.....

The problem now is the gulf in class between the top teams and the rest, there is a huge gap in resources and given players are so much faster, stronger and mobile these days then if you leave space it will be a turkey shoot with the better teams beating the weaker teams at a canter.

Look at the way Dublin dispose of the likes of Longford  and Laois when they go out and play naive football against them 20 + point hammerings.

Look at the way Mayo destroyed Sligo in the Connacht final when they went out and played naive football.

The real problem is not defensive football, the real problem is competitiveness and the gap is only going to widen between the have and have nots.

If defensive football keeps the game more competitive then I'm happy with that rather than the alternative of Dublin having won games by half time.

Give me a dour 8 points to 6 points win over Dublin putting on a clinic in a 4-25 to 11 point exhibitions style Championship game, every day of the week.

Biggest load of nonsense written here in a long time. Gulf in class? Donegal V Tyrone last years Ulster final?

What are you on about?

You havent a clue lad  :o

I know what I'm talking about but haven't a clue what point you're trying to make.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 02, 2017, 12:19:03 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 02, 2017, 12:12:36 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 02, 2017, 12:09:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 01, 2017, 02:21:01 PM
This is worth listening to. Joe in fine form, plenty of laughs and tells the truth about the rubbish being played by Tyrone and other counties... http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/185966/Joe_Brolly_At_Crossmaglen

Yeah, playing fast and loose football against this Dublin side has proven to be very successful for many teams.....

The problem now is the gulf in class between the top teams and the rest, there is a huge gap in resources and given players are so much faster, stronger and mobile these days then if you leave space it will be a turkey shoot with the better teams beating the weaker teams at a canter.

Look at the way Dublin dispose of the likes of Longford  and Laois when they go out and play naive football against them 20 + point hammerings.

Look at the way Mayo destroyed Sligo in the Connacht final when they went out and played naive football.

The real problem is not defensive football, the real problem is competitiveness and the gap is only going to widen between the have and have nots.

If defensive football keeps the game more competitive then I'm happy with that rather than the alternative of Dublin having won games by half time.

Give me a dour 8 points to 6 points win over Dublin putting on a clinic in a 4-25 to 11 point exhibitions style Championship game, every day of the week.

Biggest load of nonsense written here in a long time. Gulf in class? Donegal V Tyrone last years Ulster final?

What are you on about?

You havent a clue lad  :o

I know what I'm talking about but haven't a clue what point you're trying to make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy3EHf82ZJU
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on April 02, 2017, 12:23:03 AM
Quote from: Mrs mills on April 01, 2017, 11:04:44 PM
I'm sure Sean Hurson will watch the recording of today's Hogan Final and regret that he denied Wexford a perfectly good goal in the first two minutes. The lad passed the ball on his 5th step. Given that there are several examples of him allowing seven and eight steps elsewhere in the game, it was a very very poor call. He may also want to have a word with his officials, four of whom missed the push on the Wexford full forward which sent the player tumbling in the penalty area a few minutes later. The disapproving roar from the crowd will have alerted him to it but too late. The Kerry team may well have gone on to win the match anyway, but Sean did the Leinster boys no favours.

In the recent Kerry Dublin game he gave a phantom free to Dublin late on and therefore helped to keep their unbeaten record going. Even the commentators couldn't believe it was a free. A poor referee imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 02, 2017, 01:38:09 AM
Hopefully Sean doesnt suffer the same fate as a few who went before him performing badly on the big day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 10:25:47 AM
Cant wait for today. Huge day of football across all divisions. Might not be another day like it come championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 02:28:19 PM
kerry 1-9 tyrone 0-3 after 25 mins
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 04:07:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 02:28:19 PM
kerry 1-9 tyrone 0-3 after 25 mins
Tyrone were applauded out of Killarney in 2012. Today they were laughed out of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
wonder did mickey stay behind to sign autographs today?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 02, 2017, 04:22:47 PM
Good to have a blanket defence to keep the score down  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 02, 2017, 04:37:01 PM
its easy to criticise harte at this juncture but whats the point hes going nowhere. the league table doesent lie and to be honest i thought ourselves and monaghan and donegal would be battling it out for 4 5 and 6th place. the positives is we stayed up a lot of promoted teams dont. harte tried to be positive first day against roscommon with one sweeper but we coughed up an early goal and could have conceeded another 4 back to negative shite football after that. we tried to play mattie at full forward for a game and a half but couldnt risk not having him out in the must win games. we havent improved too much from last year and if anything we may have got worse. our fullbackline is our major problem not enough pace to handle the best teams without  2 sweepers. our forwards are being hung out to dry living on scraps and defending. the biggest disappointment is hartes continued need to win the mckenna cup to keep wolves from the door instead of working on our deficiencies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
from Tyrone to Arsenal. What the f**k are you on about? I bet the people who compare the Harte outs with soccer fans, eat silage for their breakfast.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 02, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
why the insistence that only one person feels this way about the way the team is going?  :o 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 02, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Disappoint league performance on the whole, struggled against the big sides. Dublin performance is the only 70 minute performance we've put in through the whole campaign.

I'd imagine we'd wanted to have laid down a few markers in this league campaign which makes it quite worrying, same weaknesses have not been addressed.

Haven't seen the game today but that's a worrying score to be conceding with the style we employ. I felt Colm Cavanagh didn't do his usual role against Mayo and looks like it may have been the same again today. Who knows though, maybe we're in the middle of heavy training right now.

At the end of the day the league is secondary to Championship and that's where Harte will be judged upon. Worrying signs though and we're about 7 weeks or so off Championship so plenty of work to be done and food for thought for management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 02, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
why the insistence that only one person feels this way about the way the team is going?  :o 

Benny must think everyone in Tyrone is and should be as deluded and brainwashed as him when it comes sir Mickey Harte of Glencull.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 02, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
why the insistence that only one person feels this way about the way the team is going?  :o 

Benny must think everyone in Tyrone is and should be as deluded and brainwashed as him when it comes sir Mickey Harte of Glencull.

I don't think everything is great under Mickey like a number of people. But it's the gloating and disrespectful way in which a few on here go about the criticism of a man who has given so much to the county that confirms you are the same person. You could at least change persona!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 02, 2017, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 02, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
why the insistence that only one person feels this way about the way the team is going?  :o 

Benny must think everyone in Tyrone is and should be as deluded and brainwashed as him when it comes sir Mickey Harte of Glencull.

I don't think everything is great under Mickey like a number of people. But it's the gloating and disrespectful way in which a few on here go about the criticism of a man who has given so much to the county that confirms you are the same person. You could at least change persona!

Are you Mickey Harte?  :D  There will be some pop when you're head comes out of your... 1-2 from play  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 02, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
why the insistence that only one person feels this way about the way the team is going?  :o 

Benny must think everyone in Tyrone is and should be as deluded and brainwashed as him when it comes sir Mickey Harte of Glencull.

I don't think everything is great under Mickey like a number of people. But it's the gloating and disrespectful way in which a few on here go about the criticism of a man who has given so much to the county that confirms you are the same person. You could at least change persona!
if Mickey Harte had any respect for RTE he wouldn't have fell out with them. If Mickey Harte had any respect for Roisin Jordan he wouldn't have fell out with her. Tyrone fans are the ones shown the least respect after telling them in the Irish news they shouldn't worry their wee heads about winning All Irelands. The man hasn't much respect for anything only himself and self preservation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 02, 2017, 06:10:25 PM
Do us all a favour teaminamillion and f**k off. You've clearly got a personal agenda against Harte and it stinks. That first sentence is disgraceful and if you'd a shred of decency you d take it down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 02, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
why the insistence that only one person feels this way about the way the team is going?  :o 

Benny must think everyone in Tyrone is and should be as deluded and brainwashed as him when it comes sir Mickey Harte of Glencull.

I don't think everything is great under Mickey like a number of people. But it's the gloating and disrespectful way in which a few on here go about the criticism of a man who has given so much to the county that confirms you are the same person. You could at least change persona!
if Mickey Harte had any respect for RTE he wouldn't have fell out with them. If Mickey Harte had any respect for Roisin Jordan he wouldn't have fell out with her. Tyrone fans are the ones shown the least respect after telling them in the Irish news they shouldn't worry their wee heads about winning All Irelands. The man hasn't much respect for anything only himself and self preservation.

Here comes the lads! Make sure to remember to swap profiles or you'll blow your cover!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 02, 2017, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 02, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Proper Tyrone supporters on this thread.  ::) Couldn't feckin wait to come on and gloat after a defeat. Just don't get that mentality at all. You can get back to watching the soccer now, I'm sure the Arsenal fans would love lads of your calibre to help them boo Arsene Wenger today. I suspect Bomber is correct that you are all one in the same person anyway.
why the insistence that only one person feels this way about the way the team is going?  :o 

Benny must think everyone in Tyrone is and should be as deluded and brainwashed as him when it comes sir Mickey Harte of Glencull.

I don't think everything is great under Mickey like a number of people. But it's the gloating and disrespectful way in which a few on here go about the criticism of a man who has given so much to the county that confirms you are the same person. You could at least change persona!
if Mickey Harte had any respect for RTE he wouldn't have fell out with them. If Mickey Harte had any respect for Roisin Jordan he wouldn't have fell out with her. Tyrone fans are the ones shown the least respect after telling them in the Irish news they shouldn't worry their wee heads about winning All Irelands. The man hasn't much respect for anything only himself and self preservation.

Here comes the lads! Make sure to remember to swap profiles or you'll blow your cover!

now you're getting cheeky young Harte  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 02, 2017, 06:10:25 PM
Do us all a favour teaminamillion and f**k off. You've clearly got a personal agenda against Harte and it stinks. That first sentence is disgraceful and if you'd a shred of decency you d take it down.
why? He tried to tell RTE who to employ? They politely didn't listen and had absolutely nothing to do with anything else!! Your the one who's a disgrace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on April 02, 2017, 07:22:54 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 02, 2017, 06:10:25 PM
Do us all a favour teaminamillion and f**k off. You've clearly got a personal agenda against Harte and it stinks. That first sentence is disgraceful and if you'd a shred of decency you d take it down.
why? He tried to tell RTE who to employ? They politely didn't listen and had absolutely nothing to do with anything else!! Your the one who's a disgrace.

Harte has his faults, sure, but my understanding is that the RTE boycott is not about who RTE hire, it's about the song incident.

If I was in his position I would be pretty pissed off too over what was a lame at best and downright nasty at worst stunt in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 02, 2017, 07:22:54 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 02, 2017, 06:10:25 PM
Do us all a favour teaminamillion and f**k off. You've clearly got a personal agenda against Harte and it stinks. That first sentence is disgraceful and if you'd a shred of decency you d take it down.
why? He tried to tell RTE who to employ? They politely didn't listen and had absolutely nothing to do with anything else!! Your the one who's a disgrace.

Harte has his faults, sure, but my understanding is that the RTE boycott is not about who RTE hire, it's about the song incident.

If I was in his position I would be pretty pissed off too over what was a lame at best and downright nasty at worst stunt in my opinion.
The whole thing has been blown out of proportion by Mickey Harte. RTE never intended to make fun out of something. My belief is he didn't like RTE saying no to him(nobody does that). Now we have a ridiculous boycott which has lasted how many years? Maybe he should get into the christian spirit of things and sort it out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 02, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
The only comparison with Tyrone and Arsenal is that 2 very successful managers have just outstayed their welcome. They have both fallen behind the other challengers and showing no signs of catching the top teams, continually falling short. Harte was a great manager but he is so obsessed with this defence system it's costing Tyrone and harming any scoring forwards we currently have
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
The media ban began in may 2011 after mickey objected to his friend Brian carthy being overlooked for a radio job. The insensitive radio sketch was in August 2011. Just google it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
The media ban began in may 2011 after mickey objected to his friend Brian carthy being overlooked for a radio job. The insensitive radio sketch was in August 2011. Just google it.
ha ha thanks for that SouthTyronegael. Maybe were the same person lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 02, 2017, 08:20:13 PM
Like I say teaminamillion, you've a clear personal vendetta against Harte and are purposefully choosing to use an extremely distasteful and deeply insensitive way to make a point. You've gone far beyond anything decent and any argument you make is lost in the manner of your approach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 08:38:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 02, 2017, 08:20:13 PM
Like I say teaminamillion, you've a clear personal vendetta against Harte and are purposefully choosing to use an extremely distasteful and deeply insensitive way to make a point. You've gone far beyond anything decent and any argument you make is lost in the manner of your approach.
I just deal in facts omagh. As above. Three bad defeats in a row and only 4000 patrons turning up to Healy park every other weekend. You can't get lost in that my friend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on April 02, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
The media ban began in may 2011 after mickey objected to his friend Brian carthy being overlooked for a radio job. The insensitive radio sketch was in August 2011. Just google it.
ha ha thanks for that SouthTyronegael. Maybe were the same person lol

You are right that Harte - and a number of other managers let's not forget - fell out with RTE over the Carthy issue, however I would still suggest the radio skit is the reason the boycott remains ongoing.

If you want to talk about respect then think about the way RTE have covered Tyrone these past 6-7 years, the rants, the mock crises, the puke football, and the way they hypocritically singled out Cavanagh, McCann etc while overlooking the blatant indiscretions of Dublin, Kerry and the rest of the Media darlings would suggest they have damn all respect for Tyrone either.

They may well be responding that way as a reaction to Harte's stance but they are a national broadcaster and should realise they have a bigger audience than 1 man in Glencull.

Harte should be judged on results and performance. He is not immune to criticism, nor should he be, however it should be constructive, fair and proportionate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
Maybe the insensitive sketch would never have happened if Harte had of kept his nose out of rte business in the first place. Its done now so lets get back to football talk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 02, 2017, 09:10:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
Maybe the insensitive sketch would never have happened if Harte had of kept his nose out of rte business in the first place. Its done now so lets get back to football talk.

So the insensitive sketch is justified because Harte was in dispute.

You are a cretin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 09:20:59 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 02, 2017, 08:38:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 02, 2017, 08:20:13 PM
Like I say teaminamillion, you've a clear personal vendetta against Harte and are purposefully choosing to use an extremely distasteful and deeply insensitive way to make a point. You've gone far beyond anything decent and any argument you make is lost in the manner of your approach.
I just deal in facts omagh. As above. Three bad defeats in a row and only 4000 patrons turning up to Healy park every other weekend. You can't get lost in that my friend.
indeed Tyrone did get a tough time from RTE as regards the McCann incident. As a supporter I don't think I was ever as motivated going into that Kerry semi final. I really believe if Tyrone had have fronted up that day just like 03 we would have won that game. Instead what did we do? we sat back and let them Kerry bastards dictate the terms. 2015 will go down as an opportunity lost. Do we have the footballers in Tyrone to go toe to toe with Dublin or Kerry? Why the hell wouldn't we! Playing defensive football is telling your players they aren't good enough. Some of the players certainly aren't and they are the ones who should be dropped. What happened to total faith?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 02, 2017, 09:10:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
Maybe the insensitive sketch would never have happened if Harte had of kept his nose out of rte business in the first place. Its done now so lets get back to football talk.

So the insensitive sketch is justified because Harte was in dispute.

You are a cretin.
where did I say it was justified.? I'm just pointing out that mickey is as much to blame as rte. Both of them are in the wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 02, 2017, 10:28:07 PM
Tyrone stayed in Div 1 comfortably, weeks ago the job wAs done. Onwards to
Ulster Champoinship now, no better man in charge.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 02, 2017, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 02, 2017, 10:28:07 PM
Tyrone stayed in Div 1 comfortably, weeks ago the job wAs done. Onwards to
Ulster Champoinship now, no better man in charge.

Comfortably!!

Came 6th, Monaghan the only team above Tyrone that they beat and lucky to do so at Home
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 11:12:58 PM
thank god for cavan and roscommon or we would have been relegated again. at least we will be in div 1 next year when the new manager takes over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: kickingmule on April 02, 2017, 11:38:10 PM
 Just watching the Dubs V Monaghan. We all know about the Dubs ... but by God Monaghan are a joy to to watch... Good positive  attitude , how to defend  and attack..A lot of new kids this year. Malachy O'Rourke is very progressive in his thinking which I am sorry to say can't be said about the current set up in Tyrone. It saddens me to say after following Tyrone for all my life and I am a lot older I imagine than most guys on this board, not for one minute do I think  we haven't got the players, but a team playing with fear is a team bound to failure.
We have forwards and defenders constantly playing inside the 45 showing no faith in their ability. It is time to move forward. I am sick to the teeth of this style of play. A very disheartened Tyrone die hard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 02, 2017, 11:55:01 PM
join the club mule. ive been attending tyrone games since the mid 80s when i was a youngster and there have been some bad times. but never been so depressed/angry as right now.  its not just the shite football its the way our countys image is bein dragged through the dirt. all the other counties seem to be loving it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Its easy to keep blaming Harte and ignore the players but in reality we have lots of issues that go beyond the manager. Yesterday we tried to push up a bit but our defenders got ran all over. We lack top quality defenders and I'm not sure of to many outside of who is already involved. We also lack top quality full forwards who can win their own ball and score. Last week everyone was crying for Bradley in the full forward line. He played there a lot yesterday but couldn't win the ball. He is better in a role allowing him to go in and out so he can find space easier.

It's been a very poor finish to the league and we don't seem fit and lack leaders on the pitch. Our best players like Harte and Mattie (missing yesterday) have been poor enough. Harte's 2-4 yesterday looks much better on paper than his actual performance. Teams have also made Colm Cavanaghs role redundant by not kicking the ball in near in him.

We seriously need to look at our strategy ahead of the championship. Maybe 6 weeks of hard training now will make all the difference and we will see much more energy for the championship and better performances. If that's the case we will soon forget about a bad end to the league. But it has been a worrying few weeks. The worst thing about it is that very few of our squad members who have been given chances have shown anything at all. Thought McNulty actually did ok breaking the ball yesterday and could be an option if we our going to push up on kickouts. I'm not sure after yesterday we'll see Conall McCann involved again this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outinfront on April 03, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Will Tyrone retain Ulster championship? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on April 03, 2017, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: outinfront on April 03, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Will Tyrone retain Ulster championship?
I think they will beat Derry by a large enough margin, but when they come up against Donegal (I think that is who they would play next- correct me if I am wrong) they will struggle massively. Especially if Ryan McHugh is back fully fit again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on April 03, 2017, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: outinfront on April 03, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Will Tyrone retain Ulster championship?

No
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 10:42:39 AM
Quote from: outinfront on April 03, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Will Tyrone retain Ulster championship?
Possibly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on April 03, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Its easy to keep blaming Harte and ignore the players but in reality we have lots of issues that go beyond the manager. Yesterday we tried to push up a bit but our defenders got ran all over. We lack top quality defenders and I'm not sure of to many outside of who is already involved. We also lack top quality full forwards who can win their own ball and score. Last week everyone was crying for Bradley in the full forward line. He played there a lot yesterday but couldn't win the ball. He is better in a role allowing him to go in and out so he can find space easier.

It's been a very poor finish to the league and we don't seem fit and lack leaders on the pitch. Our best players like Harte and Mattie (missing yesterday) have been poor enough. Harte's 2-4 yesterday looks much better on paper than his actual performance. Teams have also made Colm Cavanaghs role redundant by not kicking the ball in near in him.

We seriously need to look at our strategy ahead of the championship. Maybe 6 weeks of hard training now will make all the difference and we will see much more energy for the championship and better performances. If that's the case we will soon forget about a bad end to the league. But it has been a worrying few weeks. The worst thing about it is that very few of our squad members who have been given chances have shown anything at all. Thought McNulty actually did ok breaking the ball yesterday and could be an option if we our going to push up on kickouts. I'm not sure after yesterday we'll see Conall McCann involved again this year.

A standard MH move. Take someone who hasn't seen much action and throw him into a bear pit, then use it to justify no further action for the rest of the season. Training session fodder no doubt though living the dream on GPA food parcels.

Mickey also tried this with Ricey in 2003, put him on to mark Colin Corkery in the league against Cork in Dungannon, a mismatch in terms of size etc. Ricey fronted up and did very well, still wasn't enough to start in the Championship against Derry though. Mickey was trying to get him roasted so as to justify the decision.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: tiempo on April 03, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Its easy to keep blaming Harte and ignore the players but in reality we have lots of issues that go beyond the manager. Yesterday we tried to push up a bit but our defenders got ran all over. We lack top quality defenders and I'm not sure of to many outside of who is already involved. We also lack top quality full forwards who can win their own ball and score. Last week everyone was crying for Bradley in the full forward line. He played there a lot yesterday but couldn't win the ball. He is better in a role allowing him to go in and out so he can find space easier.

It's been a very poor finish to the league and we don't seem fit and lack leaders on the pitch. Our best players like Harte and Mattie (missing yesterday) have been poor enough. Harte's 2-4 yesterday looks much better on paper than his actual performance. Teams have also made Colm Cavanaghs role redundant by not kicking the ball in near in him.

We seriously need to look at our strategy ahead of the championship. Maybe 6 weeks of hard training now will make all the difference and we will see much more energy for the championship and better performances. If that's the case we will soon forget about a bad end to the league. But it has been a worrying few weeks. The worst thing about it is that very few of our squad members who have been given chances have shown anything at all. Thought McNulty actually did ok breaking the ball yesterday and could be an option if we our going to push up on kickouts. I'm not sure after yesterday we'll see Conall McCann involved again this year.

A standard MH move. Take someone who hasn't seen much action and throw him into a bear pit, then use it to justify no further action for the rest of the season. Training session fodder no doubt though living the dream on GPA food parcels.

Mickey also tried this with Ricey in 2003, put him on to mark Colin Corkery in the league against Cork in Dungannon, a mismatch in terms of size etc. Ricey fronted up and did very well, still wasn't enough to start in the Championship against Derry though. Mickey was trying to get him roasted so as to justify the decision.

Or perhaps Conall McCann was showing up well in training and Harte thought he deserved a go. It is difficult coming into a team but would expect bit more hard work and appetite to get on the ball than he showed yesterday. He has been a good club player for Killyclogher and did rightly in the sigerson final but so far not shown anything to suggest he can step up at county level which is unfortunate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on April 03, 2017, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: outinfront on April 03, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Will Tyrone retain Ulster championship?
No.  Players have had any confidence in their own ability , drained out of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 03, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
Can't see them win Ulster. The system of play is killing them. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: tiempo on April 03, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Its easy to keep blaming Harte and ignore the players but in reality we have lots of issues that go beyond the manager. Yesterday we tried to push up a bit but our defenders got ran all over. We lack top quality defenders and I'm not sure of to many outside of who is already involved. We also lack top quality full forwards who can win their own ball and score. Last week everyone was crying for Bradley in the full forward line. He played there a lot yesterday but couldn't win the ball. He is better in a role allowing him to go in and out so he can find space easier.

It's been a very poor finish to the league and we don't seem fit and lack leaders on the pitch. Our best players like Harte and Mattie (missing yesterday) have been poor enough. Harte's 2-4 yesterday looks much better on paper than his actual performance. Teams have also made Colm Cavanaghs role redundant by not kicking the ball in near in him.

We seriously need to look at our strategy ahead of the championship. Maybe 6 weeks of hard training now will make all the difference and we will see much more energy for the championship and better performances. If that's the case we will soon forget about a bad end to the league. But it has been a worrying few weeks. The worst thing about it is that very few of our squad members who have been given chances have shown anything at all. Thought McNulty actually did ok breaking the ball yesterday and could be an option if we our going to push up on kickouts. I'm not sure after yesterday we'll see Conall McCann involved again this year.

A standard MH move. Take someone who hasn't seen much action and throw him into a bear pit, then use it to justify no further action for the rest of the season. Training session fodder no doubt though living the dream on GPA food parcels.

Mickey also tried this with Ricey in 2003, put him on to mark Colin Corkery in the league against Cork in Dungannon, a mismatch in terms of size etc. Ricey fronted up and did very well, still wasn't enough to start in the Championship against Derry though. Mickey was trying to get him roasted so as to justify the decision.

Or perhaps Conall McCann was showing up well in training and Harte thought he deserved a go. It is difficult coming into a team but would expect bit more hard work and appetite to get on the ball than he showed yesterday. He has been a good club player for Killyclogher and did rightly in the sigerson final but so far not shown anything to suggest he can step up at county level which is unfortunate.
If, as you say he has been showing well in training surely 35 mins in killarney would not be sufficient to condemn him for the rest of the year. You are very gracious to accept he "did rightly in the sigerson final". 🙁
I don't know whether he is good enough to play county football regularly but you seem to be able to make the harsh call easily enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on April 03, 2017, 02:01:34 PM
The Tyrone teams of the last 5/6 years have been vastly overrated and didn't and won't beat the likes of Dublin,Mayo & Kerry in championship or informant games. Need to change the root up at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on April 03, 2017, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Its easy to keep blaming Harte and ignore the players but in reality we have lots of issues that go beyond the manager. Yesterday we tried to push up a bit but our defenders got ran all over. We lack top quality defenders and I'm not sure of to many outside of who is already involved. We also lack top quality full forwards who can win their own ball and score. Last week everyone was crying for Bradley in the full forward line. He played there a lot yesterday but couldn't win the ball. He is better in a role allowing him to go in and out so he can find space easier.

It's been a very poor finish to the league and we don't seem fit and lack leaders on the pitch. Our best players like Harte and Mattie (missing yesterday) have been poor enough. Harte's 2-4 yesterday looks much better on paper than his actual performance. Teams have also made Colm Cavanaghs role redundant by not kicking the ball in near in him.

We seriously need to look at our strategy ahead of the championship. Maybe 6 weeks of hard training now will make all the difference and we will see much more energy for the championship and better performances. If that's the case we will soon forget about a bad end to the league. But it has been a worrying few weeks. The worst thing about it is that very few of our squad members who have been given chances have shown anything at all. Thought McNulty actually did ok breaking the ball yesterday and could be an option if we our going to push up on kickouts. I'm not sure after yesterday we'll see Conall McCann involved again this year.

I agree that we did try and push up but i thought we where a bit naive as Kerry played very defensively and caught us on the counter attack time after time. I thought we looked very tired. Maybe the break has come at a good time. The journey down to Kerry in all fairness is not easy, so maybe the had a bearing on our first half shwoing. Our midfield was run ragged, our half back-line was all over the place. Full forwards for Kerry didn't seem to do much from play but over all poor enough showing.

Draw a line under the league, we stayed up which was our main aim and now to retain the ulster championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: tiempo on April 03, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Its easy to keep blaming Harte and ignore the players but in reality we have lots of issues that go beyond the manager. Yesterday we tried to push up a bit but our defenders got ran all over. We lack top quality defenders and I'm not sure of to many outside of who is already involved. We also lack top quality full forwards who can win their own ball and score. Last week everyone was crying for Bradley in the full forward line. He played there a lot yesterday but couldn't win the ball. He is better in a role allowing him to go in and out so he can find space easier.

It's been a very poor finish to the league and we don't seem fit and lack leaders on the pitch. Our best players like Harte and Mattie (missing yesterday) have been poor enough. Harte's 2-4 yesterday looks much better on paper than his actual performance. Teams have also made Colm Cavanaghs role redundant by not kicking the ball in near in him.

We seriously need to look at our strategy ahead of the championship. Maybe 6 weeks of hard training now will make all the difference and we will see much more energy for the championship and better performances. If that's the case we will soon forget about a bad end to the league. But it has been a worrying few weeks. The worst thing about it is that very few of our squad members who have been given chances have shown anything at all. Thought McNulty actually did ok breaking the ball yesterday and could be an option if we our going to push up on kickouts. I'm not sure after yesterday we'll see Conall McCann involved again this year.

A standard MH move. Take someone who hasn't seen much action and throw him into a bear pit, then use it to justify no further action for the rest of the season. Training session fodder no doubt though living the dream on GPA food parcels.

Mickey also tried this with Ricey in 2003, put him on to mark Colin Corkery in the league against Cork in Dungannon, a mismatch in terms of size etc. Ricey fronted up and did very well, still wasn't enough to start in the Championship against Derry though. Mickey was trying to get him roasted so as to justify the decision.

Or perhaps Conall McCann was showing up well in training and Harte thought he deserved a go. It is difficult coming into a team but would expect bit more hard work and appetite to get on the ball than he showed yesterday. He has been a good club player for Killyclogher and did rightly in the sigerson final but so far not shown anything to suggest he can step up at county level which is unfortunate.
If, as you say he has been showing well in training surely 35 mins in killarney would not be sufficient to condemn him for the rest of the year. You are very gracious to accept he "did rightly in the sigerson final". 🙁
I don't know whether he is good enough to play county football regularly but you seem to be able to make the harsh call easily enough

What I said wasn't purely based on 35 minutes in Killarney though. He has now appeared for Tyrone in over 20 games and has yet to convince in the majority. For a player coming into the team surely you'd expect to see a bit of fight and trying to prove themselves. He had chances to get tackles and hits in but for whatever reason didn't do it and only remember him winning one ball. Don't want to be too negative about him because he is a decent club player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on April 03, 2017, 02:18:32 PM
I find frustrating its the same core group of players that Harte has used over the past three four weeks.
McClure played in tyrones first 7/8 games this year and looked excellent around the middle, then got dropped for a few weeks brought back in hooked at half time and not seen since.
McNulty, Conall McCann, Rory Brennan. Its always the easy targets that harte takes off even though a number of more established players are unperforming. These players never get touched.
McCullagh, Cassidy, McHugh, Loughran (bar 15 V Mayo) are all bound to be questioning staying on the panel, called up and not been given a fair crack at it and will be missing club games over the head of it.
Likewise HP McGeary hasnt seen game time but Aidan McCrory is continually given chances. Ronan O'Neill, Cathal McShane also given chance after chance at the expense of other players on the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 02:23:52 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 03, 2017, 02:18:32 PM
I find frustrating its the same core group of players that Harte has used over the past three four weeks.
McClure played in tyrones first 7/8 games this year and looked excellent around the middle, then got dropped for a few weeks brought back in hooked at half time and not seen since.
McNulty, Conall McCann, Rory Brennan. Its always the easy targets that harte takes off even though a number of more established players are unperforming. These players never get touched.
McCullagh, Cassidy, McHugh, Loughran (bar 15 V Mayo) are all bound to be questioning staying on the panel, called up and not been given a fair crack at it and will be missing club games over the head of it.
Likewise HP McGeary hasnt seen game time but Aidan McCrory is continually given chances. Ronan O'Neill, Cathal McShane also given chance after chance at the expense of other players on the squad.

At least two of those new players you mentioned were injured for a good chunk of the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on April 03, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
What I don't understand is how a Kerry team that started with 6/7 players most people would never have heard of can be leading a Tyrone team, almost at full strength by 1-11 to 0-3? Things must really be at a low ebb in the panel. How long of a break from county training are they getting to enjoy a bit of league football with their clubs and get away from the bubble?

I see a lot of people slating Harte on here, Barton on the Derry page, McGleenan in Cavan, Burns in Down, Fitzsimmons in Antrim, McGeeney in Armagh, McGrath in Fermanagh.......only Gallagher and O'Rourke are ok for now......there aren't many men out there able and willing to do these jobs......Ulster could back in the doldrums for a while.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 03, 2017, 04:09:52 PM
Interesting from Brolly.... probably true: http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=268566&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 03, 2017, 04:30:11 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 03, 2017, 04:09:52 PM
Interesting from Brolly.... probably true: http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=268566&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Clearly discontent within the camp. It's very rare that you hear anything like this from 'insiders' on the panel, taking into account the finance issue earlier this year. I could write off the Donegal game as a bad day at the office but what really opened my eyes was the lack of fight in the Mayo game as I was sure the team would blow them away in response to the Ballybofey debacle.

Sounds to me like there has to be a lot of work done between now and championship as the last three defeats (the manner of the defeats more so than the lost points) have left a dark cloud over a previously excellent start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 04:37:30 PM
With Joe's record of quoting nearly everyone he ever speaks to in his articles, I would be very surprised if any player spoke to him in private about what was happening. Things clearly aren't going well at the minute but the last person I would be looking to for evidence, would be the serial bullshitter, Mr Brolly!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 03, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 04:37:30 PM
With Joe's record of quoting nearly everyone he ever speaks to in his articles, I would be very surprised if any player spoke to him in private about what was happening. Things clearly aren't going well at the minute but the last person I would be looking to for evidence, would be the serial bullshitter, Mr Brolly!

No doubt he has ramped up whatever he has heard but I can't imagine (even for Joe) him completely making it up to stir the pot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BigFatFan on April 03, 2017, 05:20:34 PM
In regards to players getting game time; i have to agree.. Why remain on a panel when you know you arent going to get a sniff of football. Unfortuntely for Loughran and Cassidy; they have both been carrying injuries and im sure their respective clubs are happy not having to cover physio costs  ;)

Hugh Pat deserved a run out in the past couple of games. Seen in the county last season that he was more than capable to perform in big games for his club and mark big names!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 04:37:30 PM
With Joe's record of quoting nearly everyone he ever speaks to in his articles, I would be very surprised if any player spoke to him in private about what was happening. Things clearly aren't going well at the minute but the last person I would be looking to for evidence, would be the serial bullshitter, Mr Brolly!

No doubt he has ramped up whatever he has heard but I can't imagine (even for Joe) him completely making it up to stir the pot.
Brolly is a tube. Of course this is made up. What county player would complain to joe brolly about training. Maybe some players do feel this way but there is no way any of them are going crying to joe brolly about it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 05:41:28 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on April 03, 2017, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 03, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
Its easy to keep blaming Harte and ignore the players but in reality we have lots of issues that go beyond the manager. Yesterday we tried to push up a bit but our defenders got ran all over. We lack top quality defenders and I'm not sure of to many outside of who is already involved. We also lack top quality full forwards who can win their own ball and score. Last week everyone was crying for Bradley in the full forward line. He played there a lot yesterday but couldn't win the ball. He is better in a role allowing him to go in and out so he can find space easier.

It's been a very poor finish to the league and we don't seem fit and lack leaders on the pitch. Our best players like Harte and Mattie (missing yesterday) have been poor enough. Harte's 2-4 yesterday looks much better on paper than his actual performance. Teams have also made Colm Cavanaghs role redundant by not kicking the ball in near in him.

We seriously need to look at our strategy ahead of the championship. Maybe 6 weeks of hard training now will make all the difference and we will see much more energy for the championship and better performances. If that's the case we will soon forget about a bad end to the league. But it has been a worrying few weeks. The worst thing about it is that very few of our squad members who have been given chances have shown anything at all. Thought McNulty actually did ok breaking the ball yesterday and could be an option if we our going to push up on kickouts. I'm not sure after yesterday we'll see Conall McCann involved again this year.

I agree that we did try and push up but i thought we where a bit naive as Kerry played very defensively and caught us on the counter attack time after time. I thought we looked very tired. Maybe the break has come at a good time. The journey down to Kerry in all fairness is not easy, so maybe the had a bearing on our first half shwoing. Our midfield was run ragged, our half back-line was all over the place. Full forwards for Kerry didn't seem to do much from play but over all poor enough showing.

Draw a line under the league, we stayed up which was our main aim and now to retain the ulster championship.
So sean would it be fair to say that you felt our half backs and midfielders were very poor but our full back line did well  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 03, 2017, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 04:37:30 PM
With Joe's record of quoting nearly everyone he ever speaks to in his articles, I would be very surprised if any player spoke to him in private about what was happening. Things clearly aren't going well at the minute but the last person I would be looking to for evidence, would be the serial bullshitter, Mr Brolly!

No doubt he has ramped up whatever he has heard but I can't imagine (even for Joe) him completely making it up to stir the pot.
Brolly is a tube. Of course this is made up. What county player would complain to joe brolly about training. Maybe some players do feel this way but there is no way any of them are going crying to joe brolly about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 06:04:08 PM
well the truth is out there for all to see now. photo of mickey on hoganstand standin for pics with kids in kerry jerseys and a big smile on his face. man has no shame.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 03, 2017, 06:12:53 PM
MI 5 called in to out the so called very senior players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 03, 2017, 04:09:52 PM
Interesting from Brolly.... probably true: http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=268566&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Truly incredible but totally believable. When players like Matty Donnelly didn't bother contesting there red card v mayo you just know they are at a stage under the current drudge that they don't care. I must say Peter Harte celebrating scoring his first goal yesterday reminded me of his cousin Davy celebrate scoring his first half point in the 08 final. The thought process must be well look at me I scored a great score it doesn't really matter about anything else lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 03, 2017, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 04:37:30 PM
With Joe's record of quoting nearly everyone he ever speaks to in his articles, I would be very surprised if any player spoke to him in private about what was happening. Things clearly aren't going well at the minute but the last person I would be looking to for evidence, would be the serial bullshitter, Mr Brolly!

No doubt he has ramped up whatever he has heard but I can't imagine (even for Joe) him completely making it up to stir the pot.
Brolly is a tube. Of course this is made up. What county player would complain to joe brolly about training. Maybe some players do feel this way but there is no way any of them are going crying to joe brolly about it

Didn't Brolly meet and buy a ticket recently for the Trillick fundraiser off Mattie Donnelly. Just Saying
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 03, 2017, 06:53:02 PM
Mattie wouldnt tell you where they trained! He's not a loose talker... totally loyal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 07:08:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 06:04:08 PM
well the truth is out there for all to see now. photo of mickey on hoganstand standin for pics with kids in kerry jerseys and a big smile on his face. man has no shame.
Former GAA president and judge at the Tralee lovely girls competition sean kelly got his picture taken with him too. Calling Harte a "GAA Great". Tell you what we l take Fitzmaurice and his backroom team and Kerry can have Mickey and his motley crew. That LL put the cute hoorism out of them lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
Brolly does what he always does. Hears a rumour or picks up on controversial topic, adds his own 50% to sensationalise whatever point he's making and sit back and watch every sheep in the country debate his nonsense. Watching Tyrone fans point the finger at which player they think spoke to him wil have the bould Joe creaming his pants. At this stage we don't know if things are 100% in the Tyrone camp or not, but like I said before I most definitely won't be looking to Joe Brolly for evidence. I would have thought Joe would be more interested in hearing, and reporting on, what the Derry players are saying about whats happening in his shambles of a county set up, but that wouldn't get him as much attention, would it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
Brolly does what he always does. Hears a rumour or picks up on controversial topic, adds his own 50% to sensationalise whatever point he's making and sit back and watch every sheep in the country debate his nonsense. Watching Tyrone fans point the finger at which player they think spoke to him wil have the bould Joe creaming his pants. At this stage we don't know if things are 100% in the Tyrone camp or not, but like I said before I most definitely won't be looking to Joe Brolly for evidence. I would have thought Joe would be more interested in hearing, and reporting on, what the Derry players are saying about whats happening in his shambles of a county set up, but that wouldn't get him as much attention, would it?
Benny 99% of Tyrone fans know there is something wrong. You on the other hand are in a constant state of denial even blaming poor aul Joe brolly for Tyrones ills.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on April 03, 2017, 09:20:07 PM
So Joe has had this information for a couple of weeks now (in his words) and has failed in
That time to mention it. Given the loudmouth rentamouth cant keep his mouth shut at the best of times.. I smell complete bullshit!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
Brolly does what he always does. Hears a rumour or picks up on controversial topic, adds his own 50% to sensationalise whatever point he's making and sit back and watch every sheep in the country debate his nonsense. Watching Tyrone fans point the finger at which player they think spoke to him wil have the bould Joe creaming his pants. At this stage we don't know if things are 100% in the Tyrone camp or not, but like I said before I most definitely won't be looking to Joe Brolly for evidence. I would have thought Joe would be more interested in hearing, and reporting on, what the Derry players are saying about whats happening in his shambles of a county set up, but that wouldn't get him as much attention, would it?
Benny 99% of Tyrone fans know there is something wrong. You on the other hand are in a constant state of denial even blaming poor aul Joe brolly for Tyrones ills.

The mask is slipping Lenny!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on April 03, 2017, 09:30:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
Brolly does what he always does. Hears a rumour or picks up on controversial topic, adds his own 50% to sensationalise whatever point he's making and sit back and watch every sheep in the country debate his nonsense. Watching Tyrone fans point the finger at which player they think spoke to him wil have the bould Joe creaming his pants. At this stage we don't know if things are 100% in the Tyrone camp or not, but like I said before I most definitely won't be looking to Joe Brolly for evidence. I would have thought Joe would be more interested in hearing, and reporting on, what the Derry players are saying about whats happening in his shambles of a county set up, but that wouldn't get him as much attention, would it?
Benny 99% of Tyrone fans know there is something wrong. You on the other hand are in a constant state of denial even blaming poor aul Joe brolly for Tyrones ills.

The mask is slipping Lenny!

Nothing to do with me, I would take anything brolly says with a pinch of salt. Also I'm no fan of harte but I don't think any team should be changing a manager in the middle of the season. That's a soccer thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 03, 2017, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 03, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 04:37:30 PM
With Joe's record of quoting nearly everyone he ever speaks to in his articles, I would be very surprised if any player spoke to him in private about what was happening. Things clearly aren't going well at the minute but the last person I would be looking to for evidence, would be the serial bullshitter, Mr Brolly!

No doubt he has ramped up whatever he has heard but I can't imagine (even for Joe) him completely making it up to stir the pot.
Brolly is a tube. Of course this is made up. What county player would complain to joe brolly about training. Maybe some players do feel this way but there is no way any of them are going crying to joe brolly about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA
;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleafgael on April 03, 2017, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

How McNulty didn't get at least asked is a head scratcher.

Im neutral on the Harte issue but was dragged to Omagh by the young lads to the Mayo game. I only thought watching Derry was depressing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 09:55:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.
As someone who has wanted Harte out since 2010 I would make the point that tactics and team selection are always of importance but at this stage the players and supporters in general in Tyrone are suffering from mental fatigue with Harte who has been there nearly 16 years. Time to change this stinking nappy.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 09:55:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.
As someone who has wanted Harte out since 2010 I would make the point that tactics and team selection are always of importance but at this stage the players and supporters in general in Tyrone are suffering from mental fatigue with Harte who has been there nearly 16 years. Time to change this stinking nappy.


So you want Harte out for the sake of wanting him out?

Be specific, what would you like to see changed and how?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on April 03, 2017, 10:25:05 PM
for the best conditioned, strongest, most well looked after and "professional" Tyrone team imo, there is a very obvious mismatch in results against the top teams into what they are putting in to it, personally it looks to be a few groups in the squad, Harte, Cavanaghs, Donnelly etc. that more often than not empty the tank and seem to have good values and a competitive streak that make you want to watch Tyrone, but personally (and I'm probably showing my age) there is a group of lads that are more interested in hair, fashion, posing on social media, wondering what free boots and gear they can skive and jumping in front of cameras, instead of keeping the head down and figuring out what they represent. Also regarding the lads that have been on a few seasons and have little to no appearances and are still there, need a chat, if ye don't make consistent/ increasing appearances within 3 years, pull the pin and play for your club!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on April 03, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

Jamie Clarke, James O'Donoghue.....there you go.....next question
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 03, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

Jamie Clarke, James O'Donoghue.....there you go.....next question

Eh? What are you basing this on?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on April 03, 2017, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 03, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

Jamie Clarke, James O'Donoghue.....there you go.....next question

Eh? What are you basing this on?

If you don't think Jamie Clarke is one of the top forwards in the GAA......fair enough, I diagreee however and would love to have him in the Tyrone team. Wins his own ball, skilful, tough, accurate and smart.

If you want to talk up and coming players....how about Danny Cummins...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 10:59:08 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 09:55:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.
As someone who has wanted Harte out since 2010 I would make the point that tactics and team selection are always of importance but at this stage the players and supporters in general in Tyrone are suffering from mental fatigue with Harte who has been there nearly 16 years. Time to change this stinking nappy.


So you want Harte out for the sake of wanting him out?

Be specific, what would you like to see changed and how?
a mental fatigue has set in with Harte been there so long. Do you not get that? Lets get rid of the depression first as brolly says and take it from there. Certainly get rid of Mickeys favourites mcrory tiernan McCann. Lets get back to kicking the ball around a bit more and play closer to the opposition goal. Its not complicated.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 11:11:14 PM
i cant believe there are  people on here who think gettin a couple of new forwards is gonna solve everything. this county is in crisis and we need to park any talk of players and tactics for now. we need a clear out of management for a start and try to rebuild a team, our football culture and our good name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 11:27:25 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 03, 2017, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 03, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

Jamie Clarke, James O'Donoghue.....there you go.....next question

Eh? What are you basing this on?

If you don't think Jamie Clarke is one of the top forwards in the GAA......fair enough, I diagreee however and would love to have him in the Tyrone team. Wins his own ball, skilful, tough, accurate and smart.

If you want to talk up and coming players....how about Danny Cummins...

In my view, Jamie Clark is s class player but the absolute shining example of how the modern game swallows up players of his stature. When was the last time you saw him put on a class display in an Armagh jersey in a big championship game? I think that's the point that was being made and most likely part of the reason why Jamie himself got disillusioned with the game and walked away!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 11:41:33 PM
there is still a place for the jamie clarkes of the gaa world. they just need a manager to be more imaginitive and play a style that will suit their game. and i guarantee there is more chance of a jamie clarke winning a big game than and aiden mc crory or tiarnan mc cann.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 11:42:22 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 03, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

Jamie Clarke, James O'Donoghue.....there you go.....next question

O'Donoghue is not that small or slight and in any case, what's he really done since 2014?

Clarke is a class act but the way the game has evolved renders him ineffective. Guys like McCurry, O'Neill, Bradley etc would have lit up the game 10 years ago, not now though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 11:48:09 PM
well if thats the case mickey has to take responibility for bein left with all these wee small men who cant make it. he discarded bigger lads like coney, niall mc kenna, conan crugan, mc nulty, shea mc guigan, ray mulgrew.... list is endless really. harte is the cause of most of our ills unfortunatley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 11:48:09 PM
well if thats the case mickey has to take responibility for bein left with all these wee small men who cant make it. he discarded bigger lads like coney, niall mc kenna, conan crugan, mc nulty, shea mc guigan.... list is endless really. harte is the cause of most of our ills unfortunatley

What's the answer?

Coney and McKenna had their chances but didn't show much. They both turn 27 this year and had 6/7 years on the county panel without ever really looking in place. Coney doesn't even stand out too much for Ardboe these days by all accounts.

When has Grugan ever played in the full forward line? He's a midfielder/half forward and we're well stocked in this area and nothing to say he's better than what's there already.

McNulty certainly deserves a go, I don't know the full story there but very surprised he didn't get a call up this year.

Shea McGuigan isn't a big lad, generally plays as a half forward line and is not better than anything we have in that area.

So have you actually got anything constructive to add or are you just moaning for moaning sake?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 12:00:32 AM
how do you mean they got their chance? play an odd mc kenna cup game or come on for 10 mins here or there? in the same way someone on here said conal mc cann is finished for tyrone after gettin 35 mins in a walkover yesterday. ur gonna blame everything and anyone except harte and people like you are as much a part of the problem as mickey is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 04, 2017, 04:46:08 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 12:00:32 AM
how do you mean they got their chance? play an odd mc kenna cup game or come on for 10 mins here or there? in the same way someone on here said conal mc cann is finished for tyrone after gettin 35 mins in a walkover yesterday. ur gonna blame everything and anyone except harte and people like you are as much a part of the problem as mickey is.
its funny how over the years average players like mark Harte Davy Harte and the overrated Peter got every chance under the Sun. Not to mention a few of his neighbors like Aidan Mccrory? Niall McKenna never stood a chance because he is Eugenes son who Harte is so despicably jealous of from Eugene's playing days. That's what were dealing with here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 04, 2017, 08:18:46 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 10:59:08 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 03, 2017, 09:55:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.
As someone who has wanted Harte out since 2010 I would make the point that tactics and team selection are always of importance but at this stage the players and supporters in general in Tyrone are suffering from mental fatigue with Harte who has been there nearly 16 years. Time to change this stinking nappy.


So you want Harte out for the sake of wanting him out?

Be specific, what would you like to see changed and how?
a mental fatigue has set in with Harte been there so long. Do you not get that? Lets get rid of the depression first as brolly says and take it from there. Certainly get rid of Mickeys favourites mcrory tiernan McCann. Lets get back to kicking the ball around a bit more and play closer to the opposition goal. Its not complicated.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 04, 2017, 08:19:16 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 11:41:33 PM
there is still a place for the jamie clarkes of the gaa world. they just need a manager to be more imaginitive and play a style that will suit their game. and i guarantee there is more chance of a jamie clarke winning a big game than and aiden mc crory or tiarnan mc cann.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 04, 2017, 08:21:17 AM
What is the point in posting the same stuff from two different accounts an hour apart? It doesn't make the point any better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on April 04, 2017, 08:25:59 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 11:42:22 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 03, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
On an alternative note, have we any inside forwards worth their salt in the county that have the stature to make an impact at the top level?

Coney had the potential but had his chances and looks like he's not going to fulfill it. Don't know the ins and outs with McNulty but he surely has to be worth a shot?

The guys we have there - Brennan, Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill are all slight/small guys and when the opposition pack the defences with strong, physical and athletic players then these guys will struggle to make a mark inside.

Can anyone name me an inside forward in the country with the stature of those guys mentioned above who is currently one of the best in the country? The day of the speedy, skillful, small corner forward is not gone. Today it's about the big/strong guys who can their own ball and are deadly in front of the posts - guys like Geaney, McCarron, McManus, McBrearty, Murphy, Comer, Quinlavin etc. I don't think there is any point blaming Harte for the failure of the likes of McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.

How do the anti-Harte experts propose we solve Harte's failings in tactics and selections? We're all ears, lads.

Jamie Clarke, James O'Donoghue.....there you go.....next question

O'Donoghue is not that small or slight and in any case, what's he really done since 2014?

Clarke is a class act but the way the game has evolved renders him ineffective. Guys like McCurry, O'Neill, Bradley etc would have lit up the game 10 years ago, not now though.

McCurry would only light a game up if you were 7 points up!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on April 04, 2017, 08:26:41 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 03, 2017, 02:18:32 PM
I find frustrating its the same core group of players that Harte has used over the past three four weeks.
McClure played in tyrones first 7/8 games this year and looked excellent around the middle, then got dropped for a few weeks brought back in hooked at half time and not seen since.
McNulty, Conall McCann, Rory Brennan. Its always the easy targets that harte takes off even though a number of more established players are unperforming. These players never get touched.
McCullagh, Cassidy, McHugh, Loughran (bar 15 V Mayo) are all bound to be questioning staying on the panel, called up and not been given a fair crack at it and will be missing club games over the head of it.
Likewise HP McGeary hasnt seen game time but Aidan McCrory is continually given chances. Ronan O'Neill, Cathal McShane also given chance after chance at the expense of other players on the squad.

The above is something I have always found to be true, non-established players will always get pulled before a better known player who is playing worse.  There has always been favourites and that is still the case with O'Neill, McCrory and McShane. 

 
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 03, 2017, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 11:48:09 PM
well if thats the case mickey has to take responibility for bein left with all these wee small men who cant make it. he discarded bigger lads like coney, niall mc kenna, conan crugan, mc nulty, shea mc guigan.... list is endless really. harte is the cause of most of our ills unfortunatley

What's the answer?

Coney and McKenna had their chances but didn't show much. They both turn 27 this year and had 6/7 years on the county panel without ever really looking in place. Coney doesn't even stand out too much for Ardboe these days by all accounts.

When has Grugan ever played in the full forward line? He's a midfielder/half forward and we're well stocked in this area and nothing to say he's better than what's there already.

McNulty certainly deserves a go, I don't know the full story there but very surprised he didn't get a call up this year.

Shea McGuigan isn't a big lad, generally plays as a half forward line and is not better than anything we have in that area.

So have you actually got anything constructive to add or are you just moaning for moaning sake?

Alot of the players named were discarded without really getting the same chance that others before them have had.  I also had hopes that Johnny Lafferty could have been used better, big lad with pace, skill and ball winning ability but again got a few outings here and there and that was that.

As for Jamie Clarke, someone rightfully pointed out that he has done very little in his Armagh career to date when you look at it.  Doesn't post big scores in the majority of games he plays.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on April 04, 2017, 08:29:58 AM
Since the anonymous Tyrone player went to the Dublin media about having to pay the £15 to the County Board the wheels have fairly come off Tyrone's league campaign. Have the players downed tools? are they being distracted by the pound coin?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on April 04, 2017, 08:35:50 AM
Totally agree with you Scoring Zone, the crop of younger players are more interested in their popularity on social media and how they look etc, they enjoy the limelight that comes with playing for your county.

Also I don't really think Tiernan McCann is mass favourite of Harte's compared to the likes of McCrory & McShane, at the minute I think McCann is well worth his spot and puts in some serious shifts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rawhide on April 04, 2017, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 04, 2017, 08:29:58 AM
Since the anonymous Tyrone player went to the Dublin media about having to pay the £15 to the County Board the wheels have fairly come off Tyrone's league campaign. Have the players downed tools?

Looking from the outside in, you make a valid observation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 04, 2017, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Rawhide on April 04, 2017, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on April 04, 2017, 08:29:58 AM
Since the anonymous Tyrone player went to the Dublin media about having to pay the £15 to the County Board the wheels have fairly come off Tyrone's league campaign. Have the players downed tools?

Looking from the outside in, you make a valid observation.

That story broke in the third week of February and Tyrone went on to beat Monaghan the following weekend and Cavan in the round after that. We lost the last three games because we were playing the toughest teams in the division. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on April 04, 2017, 11:15:04 AM
Dublin are the toughest team in the division.....
Monaghan played the majority of the 2nd half with 13 players and we just about scrapped over the line. Cavan are shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 11:18:25 AM
No Tyrone player sent an email to newstalk. Mickey Harte sent it to discredit rosin Jordan and it has backfired big time.and I don't believe any Tyrone player spoke to brolly either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 04, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
I was wondering after the game on Sunday does Harte sometimes change tactics a bit to show us how things can go wrong if we move away from the style we have been using.
What I mean is the last few games we've been hitting a lot more long balls into the FF line but it hasn't brought much joy. We also seem to not play so defensively on Sunday and so Kerry were tearing us apart in the first 20 mins and had a huge lead built up.

I'm just wondering does this give Harte now justification that we are better of to return to the game plan we've got used to and he will abandon using the FF line again.
He certainly has lowered expectations going into the championship as if we had went through the league unbeaten and went close to the Dubs in the final then we would be expecting to win Ulster again and do better than last year.

With the way Donegal and Monaghan have done so well in the league, I would not be so confident of retaining Ulster at the moment.

STG, do you think it was Harte that spoke to Brolly then? Maybe it was Kyle Coney or Shay McGuigan.  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 04, 2017, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
I was wondering after the game on Sunday does Harte sometimes change tactics a bit to show us how things can go wrong if we move away from the style we have been using.
What I mean is the last few games we've been hitting a lot more long balls into the FF line but it hasn't brought much joy. We also seem to not play so defensively on Sunday and so Kerry were tearing us apart in the first 20 mins and had a huge lead built up.

I'm just wondering does this give Harte now justification that we are better of to return to the game plan we've got used to and he will abandon using the FF line again.
He certainly has lowered expectations going into the championship as if we had went through the league unbeaten and went close to the Dubs in the final then we would be expecting to win Ulster again and do better than last year.

With the way Donegal and Monaghan have done so well in the league, I would not be so confident of retaining Ulster at the moment.

STG, do you think it was Harte that spoke to Brolly then? Maybe it was Kyle Coney or Shay McGuigan.  :-X listen the problem is there are certain players like Peter Harte who cant play in any other system. It would leave them exposed to the opposition you see it even at club level for errigal Ciaran when Petey has to play midfield were picking up your man is less relevant. Where did Petey end up in the second half of the Ulster final last year once Ryan McHugh exposed him in the first half?Petey needs the protection of a massed defence. There s a cats chance in hell Mickey Harte will drop his nephew. That is the crux of the problem in Tyrone. People need to waken up!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 12:13:44 PM
Omg fuzzman did u just write that? Lol. Last 3 defeats all part of mickeys master plan! What a pile of shite. Easily the worst excuse to defend mickey yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 04, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
See how that feels STG.
We feel like that ALL THE TIME when we read your posts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
See how that feels STG.
We feel like that ALL THE TIME when we read your posts.
course you do but deep down you know I'm right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 04, 2017, 10:20:22 PM
lads do you think the players have jacked. no shows in a lot of places on sunday.if the sideline lose the dressing room surely it is the end?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 04, 2017, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 04, 2017, 10:20:22 PM
lads do you think the players have jacked. no shows in a lot of places on sunday.if the sideline lose the dressing room surely it is the end?
yeh definitely think so mate. The lads have copped on that the bearded boy with the hat has nae clue what he's doing. Not to worry Mickeys next autograph will be on his resignation letter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on April 04, 2017, 10:45:50 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 04, 2017, 10:20:22 PM
lads do you think the players have jacked. no shows in a lot of places on sunday.if the sideline lose the dressing room surely it is the end?
If the Manager does not have the players it is the end. If it is an unconvincing Championship it is time to thank Mickey for what he had achieved and get a fresh voice.
I don't think his last shake up if the backroom team worked but the buck stops with him.

However if players do not perform the new Manager would have to wonder if he can trust men with that little pride in themselves or their Jersey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 10:59:04 PM
do you think the players feel pride in what they are offering up on the football pitch at the minute? do tyrone supporters feel pride at what has become of our great footballing county? time for a clearout and refind the pride in the tyrone jersey. that goes for players and supporters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 05, 2017, 12:38:09 AM
Their is a reason the united states of America has a maximum presidential term for anyone in office. Eight years I believe and this is to negate dictatorial and corrupt practises'. Tyrone GAA would be advised to adopt such measures in future team managerial appointments.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on April 05, 2017, 09:08:47 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
I was wondering after the game on Sunday does Harte sometimes change tactics a bit to show us how things can go wrong if we move away from the style we have been using.
What I mean is the last few games we've been hitting a lot more long balls into the FF line but it hasn't brought much joy. We also seem to not play so defensively on Sunday and so Kerry were tearing us apart in the first 20 mins and had a huge lead built up.

I'm just wondering does this give Harte now justification that we are better of to return to the game plan we've got used to and he will abandon using the FF line again.
He certainly has lowered expectations going into the championship as if we had went through the league unbeaten and went close to the Dubs in the final then we would be expecting to win Ulster again and do better than last year.

With the way Donegal and Monaghan have done so well in the league, I would not be so confident of retaining Ulster at the moment.

STG, do you think it was Harte that spoke to Brolly then? Maybe it was Kyle Coney or Shay McGuigan.  :-X
I've seen some shite in my day on here, but this takes the biscuit!!  A masterplan from Harte? Sweet Jesus!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: paddyjohn on April 05, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
From the outside looking in I think anybody who in Tyrone slags off Harte should have a look at themselves. He has done more than any other Tyrone manager in he past and has won All Ireland titles at Minor, Un21 & Senior.  Stuck with the team through huge personal tragedy. maybe a bit of respect is due to him. if it wasn't for him your biggest game would still be against Derry once or twice a year.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 05, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 10:59:04 PM
do you think the players feel pride in what they are offering up on the football pitch at the minute? do tyrone supporters feel pride at what has become of our great footballing county? time for a clearout and refind the pride in the tyrone jersey. that goes for players and supporters.

Further nonsense from what sounds like a 14 year old school kid. Great footballing county? We won nothing before harte, we had a super crop came through for various reasons now we don't have the players simple as!

He is going nowhere until the end of the season anyway so we should get behind him.

The worrying part for me was harte's interview after where he said we were better and made the score more predictable. I was at the game and Kerry clearly took the foot of the gas, the referee gifted us some decisions and overall we were absolute dung. Lee Brennan must be good enough if in the panel, therefore he should be played now other have had the chance and can't do it. Give him a go now. Donegal have 5 u 21s starting and performing as they have been given time to play.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 05, 2017, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on April 05, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
From the outside looking in I think anybody who in Tyrone slags off Harte should have a look at themselves. He has done more than any other Tyrone manager in he past and has won All Ireland titles at Minor, Un21 & Senior.  Stuck with the team through huge personal tragedy. maybe a bit of respect is due to him. if it wasn't for him your biggest game would still be against Derry once or twice a year.  ;)
from the inside looking out, you don't know what's going on in Tyrone so keep ur nose out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: paddyjohn on April 05, 2017, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 05, 2017, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on April 05, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
From the outside looking in I think anybody who in Tyrone slags off Harte should have a look at themselves. He has done more than any other Tyrone manager in he past and has won All Ireland titles at Minor, Un21 & Senior.  Stuck with the team through huge personal tragedy. maybe a bit of respect is due to him. if it wasn't for him your biggest game would still be against Derry once or twice a year.  ;)
from the inside looking out, you don't know what's going on in Tyrone so keep ur nose out.

Touchy there big stuff. Sure is any of what I'm saying wrong?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 05, 2017, 11:39:09 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 05, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 10:59:04 PM
do you think the players feel pride in what they are offering up on the football pitch at the minute? do tyrone supporters feel pride at what has become of our great footballing county? time for a clearout and refind the pride in the tyrone jersey. that goes for players and supporters.

Further nonsense from what sounds like a 14 year old school kid. Great footballing county? We won nothing before harte, we had a super crop came through for various reasons now we don't have the players simple as!

He is going nowhere until the end of the season anyway so we should get behind him.

The worrying part for me was harte's interview after where he said we were better and made the score more predictable. I was at the game and Kerry clearly took the foot of the gas, the referee gifted us some decisions and overall we were absolute dung. Lee Brennan must be good enough if in the panel, therefore he should be played now other have had the chance and can't do it. Give him a go now. Donegal have 5 u 21s starting and performing as they have been given time to play.
Tyrone football did not start in 2003 but obviously that's when you started supporting Tyrone.and if you think dropping poor lee Brennan into this shite is gonna make a difference then you really are deluded.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 05, 2017, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 05, 2017, 11:39:09 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 05, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 10:59:04 PM
do you think the players feel pride in what they are offering up on the football pitch at the minute? do tyrone supporters feel pride at what has become of our great footballing county? time for a clearout and refind the pride in the tyrone jersey. that goes for players and supporters.

Further nonsense from what sounds like a 14 year old school kid. Great footballing county? We won nothing before harte, we had a super crop came through for various reasons now we don't have the players simple as!

He is going nowhere until the end of the season anyway so we should get behind him.

The worrying part for me was harte's interview after where he said we were better and made the score more predictable. I was at the game and Kerry clearly took the foot of the gas, the referee gifted us some decisions and overall we were absolute dung. Lee Brennan must be good enough if in the panel, therefore he should be played now other have had the chance and can't do it. Give him a go now. Donegal have 5 u 21s starting and performing as they have been given time to play.
Tyrone football did not start in 2003 but obviously that's when you started supporting Tyrone.and if you think dropping poor lee Brennan into this shite is gonna make a difference then you really are deluded.

Waster
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 05, 2017, 12:52:10 PM
On page 70 of todays Irish news Mickey Harte states"our players set out to be ready they set out to challenge everything, every ball." Now I wasn't in Killarney or seen much footage of the game but by going by what he has said, Tyrone players must have pressed on the Kerry kick out and every other sector on the pitch. Can someone clarify this or is Harte talking more spoof, bluster and bullshit??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:11:11 PM
What I seen in Kerry was very dispiriting. Not enough has changed from the mayo game, although there was a conventional forward set up which was new but needs lots of work and a return to long ball at times which was unnatural for some. The body language of certain players and arguing was embarrassing. I hear  that Mickeys backroom team has pushed this defensive strategy too far and unfortunately Mickey may well be in his last year unless he can reverse 2 years of this approach in a few weeks. Hate to say it but we lack a game plan that works against decent teams. Unless he gets to a final An end of an era, but what a great era it was and his legend is amazing.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 05, 2017, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:11:11 PM
What I seen in Kerry was very dispiriting. Not enough has changed from the mayo game, although there was a conventional forward set up which was new but needs lots of work and a return to long ball at times which was unnatural for some. The body language of certain players and arguing was embarrassing. I hear  that Mickeys backroom team has pushed this defensive strategy too far and unfortunately Mickey may well be in his last year unless he can reverse 2 years of this approach in a few weeks. Hate to say it but we lack a game plan that works against decent teams. Unless he gets to a final An end of an era, but what a great era it was and his legend is amazing.
'mickeys backroom team'? so its gavin devlins fault not mickeys?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
No the buck stops with Mickey but he has delivered it all before. If what I'm hearing is correct the disastrous ultra defensive system is from the back room team. Are you not hearing that? I also would have grave concerns over the natural skill development of the development squads over the years. Questions need to be asked? What were they trying to identify and develop. Freetakers natural forwards, good man markers and midfielders. It is becoming that development was a misnomer. I presume the academy system is promoting different values and not creating robots.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 06, 2017, 12:02:17 AM
who is mickeys backroom team and why would it be them pushing this ultra defensive football? does mickey not have a say anymore?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
No the buck stops with Mickey but he has delivered it all before. If what I'm hearing is correct the disastrous ultra defensive system is from the back room team. Are you not hearing that? I also would have grave concerns over the natural skill development of the development squads over the years. Questions need to be asked? What were they trying to identify and develop. Freetakers natural forwards, good man markers and midfielders. It is becoming that development was a misnomer. I presume the academy system is promoting different values and not creating robots.
there are 150 coaches and managers in Tyrone could do what Harte does if not better. The players it seems are frustrated, depressed and ultimately lacking inspiration. What Mickey Harte calls a talented footballer and what most people would call a talented footballer is open for debate. Player selection under him has been always erratic. Think back to the last time Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke park which was only a few years ago, Plunkett Kane scored three magnificent long range points. What happened to that player? There is far too much sentimental value attached to Harte in Tyrone. He should have went in 2010 when at the time you just knew it was the end of an era. Kerry and Dublin don't be long changing it up and have to say their backroom teams have an unbelievable wealth of experience compared to Mickey Hartes "jobs for the boys" policy. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on April 06, 2017, 08:14:48 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 05, 2017, 12:52:10 PM
On page 70 of todays Irish news Mickey Harte states"our players set out to be ready they set out to challenge everything, every ball." Now I wasn't in Killarney or seen much footage of the game but by going by what he has said, Tyrone players must have pressed on the Kerry kick out and every other sector on the pitch. Can someone clarify this or is Harte talking more spoof, bluster and bullshit??

You were not at the game, your not a true fan

f**k off back to the hole you crawled out off
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 06, 2017, 08:17:10 AM
Haven't been on the board in a while but some of the criticism on here is irrational and personal and possibly coming with an agenda. Either critique fairly or stay quiet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
No the buck stops with Mickey but he has delivered it all before. If what I'm hearing is correct the disastrous ultra defensive system is from the back room team. Are you not hearing that? I also would have grave concerns over the natural skill development of the development squads over the years. Questions need to be asked? What were they trying to identify and develop. Freetakers natural forwards, good man markers and midfielders. It is becoming that development was a misnomer. I presume the academy system is promoting different values and not creating robots.
there are 150 coaches and managers in Tyrone could do what Harte does if not better. The players it seems are frustrated, depressed and ultimately lacking inspiration. What Mickey Harte calls a talented footballer and what most people would call a talented footballer is open for debate. Player selection under him has been always erratic. Think back to the last time Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke park which was only a few years ago, Plunkett Kane scored three magnificent long range points. What happened to that player? There is far too much sentimental value attached to Harte in Tyrone. He should have went in 2010 when at the time you just knew it was the end of an era. Kerry and Dublin don't be long changing it up and have to say their backroom teams have an unbelievable wealth of experience compared to Mickey Hartes "jobs for the boys" policy.

No he didn't, he scored two points. One of which would be classified as a magnificent long range point. So you have one misinformed fact about this player and are using it as another swipe. There could be a million and one reasons why Plunkett didn't make it in the end. Player development is a lot more complicated that just, oh, well he kicked 3 points (when he actually kicked two) one day so he should be in the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on April 06, 2017, 08:14:48 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 05, 2017, 12:52:10 PM
On page 70 of todays Irish news Mickey Harte states"our players set out to be ready they set out to challenge everything, every ball." Now I wasn't in Killarney or seen much footage of the game but by going by what he has said, Tyrone players must have pressed on the Kerry kick out and every other sector on the pitch. Can someone clarify this or is Harte talking more spoof, bluster and bullshit??

You were not at the game, your not a true fan

f**k off back to the hole you crawled out off
how could you be a fan of that. I support Tyrone not Mickey Harte and the end is near. Some people just don't like to hear the truth ha ha.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
No the buck stops with Mickey but he has delivered it all before. If what I'm hearing is correct the disastrous ultra defensive system is from the back room team. Are you not hearing that? I also would have grave concerns over the natural skill development of the development squads over the years. Questions need to be asked? What were they trying to identify and develop. Freetakers natural forwards, good man markers and midfielders. It is becoming that development was a misnomer. I presume the academy system is promoting different values and not creating robots.
there are 150 coaches and managers in Tyrone could do what Harte does if not better. The players it seems are frustrated, depressed and ultimately lacking inspiration. What Mickey Harte calls a talented footballer and what most people would call a talented footballer is open for debate. Player selection under him has been always erratic. Think back to the last time Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke park which was only a few years ago, Plunkett Kane scored three magnificent long range points. What happened to that player? There is far too much sentimental value attached to Harte in Tyrone. He should have went in 2010 when at the time you just knew it was the end of an era. Kerry and Dublin don't be long changing it up and have to say their backroom teams have an unbelievable wealth of experience compared to Mickey Hartes "jobs for the boys" policy.

No he didn't, he scored two points. One of which would be classified as a magnificent long range point. So you have one misinformed fact about this player and are using it as another swipe. There could be a million and one reasons why Plunkett didn't make it in the end. Player development is a lot more complicated that just, oh, well he kicked 3 points (when he actually kicked two) one day so he should be in the squad.
oh sorry two points but one was a magnificent long range winner against the dubs which can't be snuffed at! We won't fall out over one point Benny. You seem to me missing the point I'm trying to make, in that Mickey Harte should stop using our beloved Tyrone as his celebrity platform.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 06, 2017, 11:22:29 AM
Teaminamillion, stop giving mickey a hard time. Apparently its the 'backroom team' that has us playing shite negative football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 06, 2017, 11:22:29 AM
Teaminamillion, stop giving mickey a hard time. Apparently its the 'backroom team' that has us playing shite negative football.
maybe Mickey should freshen up the backroom team with a can of "fabreze summer fresh" in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
No the buck stops with Mickey but he has delivered it all before. If what I'm hearing is correct the disastrous ultra defensive system is from the back room team. Are you not hearing that? I also would have grave concerns over the natural skill development of the development squads over the years. Questions need to be asked? What were they trying to identify and develop. Freetakers natural forwards, good man markers and midfielders. It is becoming that development was a misnomer. I presume the academy system is promoting different values and not creating robots.
there are 150 coaches and managers in Tyrone could do what Harte does if not better. The players it seems are frustrated, depressed and ultimately lacking inspiration. What Mickey Harte calls a talented footballer and what most people would call a talented footballer is open for debate. Player selection under him has been always erratic. Think back to the last time Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke park which was only a few years ago, Plunkett Kane scored three magnificent long range points. What happened to that player? There is far too much sentimental value attached to Harte in Tyrone. He should have went in 2010 when at the time you just knew it was the end of an era. Kerry and Dublin don't be long changing it up and have to say their backroom teams have an unbelievable wealth of experience compared to Mickey Hartes "jobs for the boys" policy.

No he didn't, he scored two points. One of which would be classified as a magnificent long range point. So you have one misinformed fact about this player and are using it as another swipe. There could be a million and one reasons why Plunkett didn't make it in the end. Player development is a lot more complicated that just, oh, well he kicked 3 points (when he actually kicked two) one day so he should be in the squad.
oh sorry two points but one was a magnificent long range winner against the dubs which can't be snuffed at! We won't fall out over one point Benny. You seem to me missing the point I'm trying to make, in that Mickey Harte should stop using our beloved Tyrone as his celebrity platform.

It's about taking one game or one incident and using it as proof that Mickey isn't developing players. It's the rose tinted approach that keeps popping up here regarding Raymond Mulgrew, Kyle Coney etc. People refer to Coney v Cork, great performance as it was, he never really did it consistently over 3 or 4 years that he was on the panel. People like yourself adding little untruths to your rose tinted glasses analysis is unhelpful too and no doubt you've regaled the Kane kicked 3 magnificent points v Dublin story many times to your mates in your disgust at him not still being on the panel, but the truth is that he did fairly well that day but like Coney didn't really kick on.

Our recent position has got supporters in a bit of a mix of emotions. Some, like yourself,  feel that due to our success in the 2000s that we have a right to win All Irelands every year and anything else is a failure, playing an open and expansive style of football which is fair enough. Others look at past AI champions like Armagh, Meath, Galway, Cork, Derry, Down etc and think we have been doing well in recent years to remain competitive when you see what can happen if your eye is taken off the ball. I've had plenty of debates with my mates about the way we play and the selection policy etc and maybe we do need a new voice at the end of this year but what I have been objecting to mainly on here is the level of personal abuse thrown at Mickey by a few (maybe all the same) people which is just beyond football and stinks of personal agendas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:36:52 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 06, 2017, 11:22:29 AM
Teaminamillion, stop giving mickey a hard time. Apparently its the 'backroom team' that has us playing shite negative football.
maybe Mickey should freshen up the backroom team with a can of "fabreze summer fresh" in the dressing room.

Very efficient switching of profiles - well done lad!   ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on April 06, 2017, 11:52:24 AM
Will Ronan McNamee's hand injury be healed up for the championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
No the buck stops with Mickey but he has delivered it all before. If what I'm hearing is correct the disastrous ultra defensive system is from the back room team. Are you not hearing that? I also would have grave concerns over the natural skill development of the development squads over the years. Questions need to be asked? What were they trying to identify and develop. Freetakers natural forwards, good man markers and midfielders. It is becoming that development was a misnomer. I presume the academy system is promoting different values and not creating robots.
there are 150 coaches and managers in Tyrone could do what Harte does if not better. The players it seems are frustrated, depressed and ultimately lacking inspiration. What Mickey Harte calls a talented footballer and what most people would call a talented footballer is open for debate. Player selection under him has been always erratic. Think back to the last time Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke park which was only a few years ago, Plunkett Kane scored three magnificent long range points. What happened to that player? There is far too much sentimental value attached to Harte in Tyrone. He should have went in 2010 when at the time you just knew it was the end of an era. Kerry and Dublin don't be long changing it up and have to say their backroom teams have an unbelievable wealth of experience compared to Mickey Hartes "jobs for the boys" policy.

No he didn't, he scored two points. One of which would be classified as a magnificent long range point. So you have one misinformed fact about this player and are using it as another swipe. There could be a million and one reasons why Plunkett didn't make it in the end. Player development is a lot more complicated that just, oh, well he kicked 3 points (when he actually kicked two) one day so he should be in the squad.
oh sorry two points but one was a magnificent long range winner against the dubs which can't be snuffed at! We won't fall out over one point Benny. You seem to me missing the point I'm trying to make, in that Mickey Harte should stop using our beloved Tyrone as his celebrity platform.

It's about taking one game or one incident and using it as proof that Mickey isn't developing players. It's the rose tinted approach that keeps popping up here regarding Raymond Mulgrew, Kyle Coney etc. People refer to Coney v Cork, great performance as it was, he never really did it consistently over 3 or 4 years that he was on the panel. People like yourself adding little untruths to your rose tinted glasses analysis is unhelpful too and no doubt you've regaled the Kane kicked 3 magnificent points v Dublin story many times to your mates in your disgust at him not still being on the panel, but the truth is that he did fairly well that day but like Coney didn't really kick on.

Our recent position has got supporters in a bit of a mix of emotions. Some, like yourself,  feel that due to our success in the 2000s that we have a right to win All Irelands every year and anything else is a failure, playing an open and expansive style of football which is fair enough. Others look at past AI champions like Armagh, Meath, Galway, Cork, Derry, Down etc and think we have been doing well in recent years to remain competitive when you see what can happen if your eye is taken off the ball. I've had plenty of debates with my mates about the way we play and the selection policy etc and maybe we do need a new voice at the end of this year but what I have been objecting to mainly on here is the level of personal abuse thrown at Mickey by a few (maybe all the same) people which is just beyond football and stinks of personal agendas.

listen I'm not naive to think open expansive football is the way to go but unfortunately because of Mickeys insistence on playing certain players like his nephew Peter who I do believe is overrated and who needs a defensive system as protection to tailor his game therefore Mickey  has to play a defensive game all the time to protect his nephew! That's not been personal that's been real ffs!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 06, 2017, 12:05:16 PM
Ulster not taking any chances with Healy Park for U21 final rain forecast for Monday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 12:06:44 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
No the buck stops with Mickey but he has delivered it all before. If what I'm hearing is correct the disastrous ultra defensive system is from the back room team. Are you not hearing that? I also would have grave concerns over the natural skill development of the development squads over the years. Questions need to be asked? What were they trying to identify and develop. Freetakers natural forwards, good man markers and midfielders. It is becoming that development was a misnomer. I presume the academy system is promoting different values and not creating robots.
there are 150 coaches and managers in Tyrone could do what Harte does if not better. The players it seems are frustrated, depressed and ultimately lacking inspiration. What Mickey Harte calls a talented footballer and what most people would call a talented footballer is open for debate. Player selection under him has been always erratic. Think back to the last time Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke park which was only a few years ago, Plunkett Kane scored three magnificent long range points. What happened to that player? There is far too much sentimental value attached to Harte in Tyrone. He should have went in 2010 when at the time you just knew it was the end of an era. Kerry and Dublin don't be long changing it up and have to say their backroom teams have an unbelievable wealth of experience compared to Mickey Hartes "jobs for the boys" policy.

No he didn't, he scored two points. One of which would be classified as a magnificent long range point. So you have one misinformed fact about this player and are using it as another swipe. There could be a million and one reasons why Plunkett didn't make it in the end. Player development is a lot more complicated that just, oh, well he kicked 3 points (when he actually kicked two) one day so he should be in the squad.
oh sorry two points but one was a magnificent long range winner against the dubs which can't be snuffed at! We won't fall out over one point Benny. You seem to me missing the point I'm trying to make, in that Mickey Harte should stop using our beloved Tyrone as his celebrity platform.

It's about taking one game or one incident and using it as proof that Mickey isn't developing players. It's the rose tinted approach that keeps popping up here regarding Raymond Mulgrew, Kyle Coney etc. People refer to Coney v Cork, great performance as it was, he never really did it consistently over 3 or 4 years that he was on the panel. People like yourself adding little untruths to your rose tinted glasses analysis is unhelpful too and no doubt you've regaled the Kane kicked 3 magnificent points v Dublin story many times to your mates in your disgust at him not still being on the panel, but the truth is that he did fairly well that day but like Coney didn't really kick on.

Our recent position has got supporters in a bit of a mix of emotions. Some, like yourself,  feel that due to our success in the 2000s that we have a right to win All Irelands every year and anything else is a failure, playing an open and expansive style of football which is fair enough. Others look at past AI champions like Armagh, Meath, Galway, Cork, Derry, Down etc and think we have been doing well in recent years to remain competitive when you see what can happen if your eye is taken off the ball. I've had plenty of debates with my mates about the way we play and the selection policy etc and maybe we do need a new voice at the end of this year but what I have been objecting to mainly on here is the level of personal abuse thrown at Mickey by a few (maybe all the same) people which is just beyond football and stinks of personal agendas.

listen I'm not naive to think open expansive football is the way to go but unfortunately because of Mickeys insistence on playing certain players like his nephew Peter who I do believe is overrated and who needs a defensive system as protection to tailor his game therefore Mickey  has to play a defensive game all the time to protect his nephew! That's not been personal that's been real ffs!

Seriously, do you think Peter Harte is not worthy of his place on the Tyrone team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 06, 2017, 12:32:06 PM
Is there a moderator on here can shut this tube with 2 profiles down, used to enjoy looking in on this page but this is cat! Give ye a headache and I can't even hear him! God help his primary school class in derry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 06, 2017, 12:32:06 PM
Is there a moderator on here can shut this tube with 2 profiles down, used to enjoy looking in on this page but this is cat! Give ye a headache and I can't even hear him! God help his primary school class in derry
you don't like this thread well go and watch some animal porn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 12:06:44 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
Quote from: rrhf on April 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
No the buck stops with Mickey but he has delivered it all before. If what I'm hearing is correct the disastrous ultra defensive system is from the back room team. Are you not hearing that? I also would have grave concerns over the natural skill development of the development squads over the years. Questions need to be asked? What were they trying to identify and develop. Freetakers natural forwards, good man markers and midfielders. It is becoming that development was a misnomer. I presume the academy system is promoting different values and not creating robots.
there are 150 coaches and managers in Tyrone could do what Harte does if not better. The players it seems are frustrated, depressed and ultimately lacking inspiration. What Mickey Harte calls a talented footballer and what most people would call a talented footballer is open for debate. Player selection under him has been always erratic. Think back to the last time Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke park which was only a few years ago, Plunkett Kane scored three magnificent long range points. What happened to that player? There is far too much sentimental value attached to Harte in Tyrone. He should have went in 2010 when at the time you just knew it was the end of an era. Kerry and Dublin don't be long changing it up and have to say their backroom teams have an unbelievable wealth of experience compared to Mickey Hartes "jobs for the boys" policy.

No he didn't, he scored two points. One of which would be classified as a magnificent long range point. So you have one misinformed fact about this player and are using it as another swipe. There could be a million and one reasons why Plunkett didn't make it in the end. Player development is a lot more complicated that just, oh, well he kicked 3 points (when he actually kicked two) one day so he should be in the squad.
oh sorry two points but one was a magnificent long range winner against the dubs which can't be snuffed at! We won't fall out over one point Benny. You seem to me missing the point I'm trying to make, in that Mickey Harte should stop using our beloved Tyrone as his celebrity platform.

It's about taking one game or one incident and using it as proof that Mickey isn't developing players. It's the rose tinted approach that keeps popping up here regarding Raymond Mulgrew, Kyle Coney etc. People refer to Coney v Cork, great performance as it was, he never really did it consistently over 3 or 4 years that he was on the panel. People like yourself adding little untruths to your rose tinted glasses analysis is unhelpful too and no doubt you've regaled the Kane kicked 3 magnificent points v Dublin story many times to your mates in your disgust at him not still being on the panel, but the truth is that he did fairly well that day but like Coney didn't really kick on.

Our recent position has got supporters in a bit of a mix of emotions. Some, like yourself,  feel that due to our success in the 2000s that we have a right to win All Irelands every year and anything else is a failure, playing an open and expansive style of football which is fair enough. Others look at past AI champions like Armagh, Meath, Galway, Cork, Derry, Down etc and think we have been doing well in recent years to remain competitive when you see what can happen if your eye is taken off the ball. I've had plenty of debates with my mates about the way we play and the selection policy etc and maybe we do need a new voice at the end of this year but what I have been objecting to mainly on here is the level of personal abuse thrown at Mickey by a few (maybe all the same) people which is just beyond football and stinks of personal agendas.

listen I'm not naive to think open expansive football is the way to go but unfortunately because of Mickeys insistence on playing certain players like his nephew Peter who I do believe is overrated and who needs a defensive system as protection to tailor his game therefore Mickey  has to play a defensive game all the time to protect his nephew! That's not been personal that's been real ffs!

Seriously, do you think Peter Harte is not worthy of his place on the Tyrone team?
Peter Harte is part of the slow laborious problem Benny. What he get on the Dublin or Kerry team never ever. Other lads need their chance. Better players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 06, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 06, 2017, 12:32:06 PM
Is there a moderator on here can shut this tube with 2 profiles down, used to enjoy looking in on this page but this is cat! Give ye a headache and I can't even hear him! God help his primary school class in derry
ah yeah anyone that doesn't agree with mickey should have their account closed.worse than north Korea with the Irish news as state media.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 06, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
You spout some shite, listen to fans in other counties, look at Petey's scoring return and say he wouldn't make their team? Bullshit. You say Petey plays a slow laborious game? Total horse shit! He's ones of our fasted moving playersm always is moving the ball at pace or going for ball in places you wouldn't put your boot. He's been that way since I first saw him at 16 years of age. I've said it before and I'll say it again; your analysis of Tyrone at the minute is clearly jaundiced by a personal issue and your lack of alternative ideas and pure dung lies (e.g. Plunket Kane story) shows you up for a total tube. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 06, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
Anyway, on another note.

Do people think we've been getting a lot of silly black cards this year in the league?
How many did Sludden get? He looked like he was playing great stuff in the Dublin game but then after that he got injured and I don't think he played a full game after that?
Is it the way they're tackling or what?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 06, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
You spout some shite, listen to fans in other counties, look at Petey's scoring return and say he wouldn't make their team? Bullshit. You say Petey plays a slow laborious game? Total horse shit! He's ones of our fasted moving playersm always is moving the ball at pace or going for ball in places you wouldn't put your boot. He's been that way since I first saw him at 16 years of age. I've said it before and I'll say it again; your analysis of Tyrone at the minute is clearly jaundiced by a personal issue and your lack of alternative ideas and pure dung lies (e.g. Plunket Kane story) shows you up for a total tube. 
2 points 3 points ur a f**king idiot if that's all you have on me. Your talking Peter Harte up like he's running through defences for fun! Who's talking horseshit I wonder? Lol. Also I would care to wonder who is the person with the multiple accounts? The word "tube" is been used a lot. That word Gerry Adams called someone last week! Can you not use some other term instead of copying someone else you two brain celled sheep!baa baa baa
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 06, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
Anyway, on another note.

Do people think we've been getting a lot of silly black cards this year in the league?
How many did Sludden get? He looked like he was playing great stuff in the Dublin game but then after that he got injured and I don't think he played a full game after that?
Is it the way they're tackling or what?
Players depression manifests' itself on the pitch by poor discipline ie black cards and red cards. How depressing! Harte out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2017, 03:09:50 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 06, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
Anyway, on another note.

Do people think we've been getting a lot of silly black cards this year in the league?
How many did Sludden get? He looked like he was playing great stuff in the Dublin game but then after that he got injured and I don't think he played a full game after that?
Is it the way they're tackling or what?
Players depression manifests' itself on the pitch by poor discipline ie black cards and red cards. How depressing! Harte out.

Talk me through how player depression and poor discipline was the reason for Sluddens black card v Mayo?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 06, 2017, 03:14:19 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 06, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
You spout some shite, listen to fans in other counties, look at Petey's scoring return and say he wouldn't make their team? Bullshit. You say Petey plays a slow laborious game? Total horse shit! He's ones of our fasted moving playersm always is moving the ball at pace or going for ball in places you wouldn't put your boot. He's been that way since I first saw him at 16 years of age. I've said it before and I'll say it again; your analysis of Tyrone at the minute is clearly jaundiced by a personal issue and your lack of alternative ideas and pure dung lies (e.g. Plunket Kane story) shows you up for a total tube. 
2 points 3 points ur a f**king idiot if that's all you have on me. Your talking Peter Harte up like he's running through defences for fun! Who's talking horseshit I wonder? Lol. Also I would care to wonder who is the person with the multiple accounts? The word "tube" is been used a lot. That word Gerry Adams called someone last week! Can you not use some other term instead of copying someone else you two brain celled sheep!baa baa baa

The Kane example is one of a number of your rants. Another being Coney, he was given many opportunities and never took them to the level we all had hoped for. There were clearly disciplinary issues of some description towards the end of his time that meant he was given the chop. Obviously, we're not privy to all the details.

Are you seriously telling me that Peter Harte is not one of the top players in the country? Yes he was given lots of time to find his place but let's not forget this opportunity was afforded to many others. For example, Mickey was nearly lynched for his perseverance with Colly Cavanagh and he was rewarded with Colly developing into one of our most important and consistent players. Ronan O'Neill and Cathal McShane are other examples (albeit to a lesser degree) where Mickey has shown them the faith to find their form. Now, IMO, these haven't worked out as well but someone like you use any extremely biased approach to flag up McCrory and Petey to lambast Mickey as an Errigal focused manager. Using that logic he's biased towards the Moy, Omagh SEs and Owen Roes, too.

I, too, am starting to get fed up with our brand of football and the end of the league has dampened my expectations big time going into the summer. However, to fellas like you, Mickey can do no right. Showing faith to players is something managers have to do and, unfortunately, this results in others not be afforded the same opportunity. Some work and some don't and that fact has to be expected and judged objectively.

Quote from: Fuzzman on April 06, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
Anyway, on another note.

Do people think we've been getting a lot of silly black cards this year in the league?
How many did Sludden get? He looked like he was playing great stuff in the Dublin game but then after that he got injured and I don't think he played a full game after that?
Is it the way they're tackling or what?

Sludden got two black cards, one v Mayo and one v Kerry. The Mayo one wasn't even a foul never mind a black card and was mentioned by newstalk and Wooly Parkinson as a scandalous decision. I didn't see the Kerry one but the guys on radio Kerry were up in arms over it, maybe someone who was in Kilarney can fill in with more detail?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on April 06, 2017, 05:20:26 PM
Peter Harte is arguably our best player ffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on April 06, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
i think the Ridiculing of Harte should ease off... i not a fan...but the man should be given the rest of the championship and i will judge were we are then...he overseen 3 All Ireland wins... I watched Tyrone 70's 80's and 90's and i thought i would never 1 great day in september never mind 3.....so for the time being dont forget the memories and go easier on the present....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 06, 2017, 06:42:50 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on April 06, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
i think the Ridiculing of Harte should ease off... i not a fan...but the man should be given the rest of the championship and i will judge were we are then...he overseen 3 All Ireland wins... I watched Tyrone 70's 80's and 90's and i thought i would never 1 great day in september never mind 3.....so for the time being dont forget the memories and go easier on the present....

I agree. Less of the personal attack. I don't like the way Tyrone play and am forever complaining about the system they set out but Harte has brought 3 AI to Tyrone. However I do agree it's time he went as I do believe he has taken them as far as he can and has overstayed his welcome. I know a lot of folks this year who haven't renewed their season ticket because they cannot bare to watch the poor football on show
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 06, 2017, 06:50:07 PM
I for one would love to see paddy Tally join the back room team for the pre championship. That almost certainly won't happen, but I think it would freshen the whole thing up, and we need it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on April 06, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
i think the Ridiculing of Harte should ease off... i not a fan...but the man should be given the rest of the championship and i will judge were we are then...he overseen 3 All Ireland wins... I watched Tyrone 70's 80's and 90's and i thought i would never 1 great day in september never mind 3.....so for the time being dont forget the memories and go easier on the present....

would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 06, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 06, 2017, 06:50:07 PM
I for one would love to see paddy Tally join the back room team for the pre championship. That almost certainly won't happen, but I think it would freshen the whole thing up, and we need it.
sure we already had paddy tally on the backroom team but mickey had to get rid of him. bring him back surely as manager and get rid of harte and devlin and them clingers on in the 'backroom team'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on April 06, 2017, 10:40:12 PM
There a few of the backroom staff who Defo never kicked a ball in their lives.... complete donkeys....but we'll related to the  man with the man wallet who signs the chits
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:34:56 PM
If people think Mickey Harte will walk out of garvaghy on nice terms well they are a fool. Email gate, the demand for a new 2 year contract, this will be nasty make no mistake about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 07, 2017, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:34:56 PM
If people think Mickey Harte will walk out of garvaghy on nice terms well they are a fool. Email gate, the demand for a new 2 year contract, this will be nasty make no mistake about it.

So are you calling Ronan McNamee a liar or a pawn?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 03:49:31 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 07, 2017, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 06, 2017, 11:34:56 PM
If people think Mickey Harte will walk out of garvaghy on nice terms well they are a fool. Email gate, the demand for a new 2 year contract, this will be nasty make no mistake about it.

So are you calling Ronan McNamee a liar or a pawn?
that's news to me! It was Ronan McNamee sent it? All I seen of McNamee was him talking in the Irish news about he'd rather go to Spain and do drills than do it at Garvaghy. However things weren't too bad! The person who sent the email gave roisin Jordan special reference. Why her? A player wouldn't have a problem with a specific person on the board? Why not the whole board in general? Very odd indeed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on April 07, 2017, 06:51:35 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on April 06, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
i think the Ridiculing of Harte should ease off... i not a fan...but the man should be given the rest of the championship and i will judge were we are then...he overseen 3 All Ireland wins... I watched Tyrone 70's 80's and 90's and i thought i would never 1 great day in september never mind 3.....so for the time being dont forget the memories and go easier on the present....

would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

Not sure many other men than Mickey Harte would have got Tyrone across the line. There was a great team in the mid-90"s too, no Sam Maguire then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 07:31:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 07, 2017, 06:51:35 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on April 06, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
i think the Ridiculing of Harte should ease off... i not a fan...but the man should be given the rest of the championship and i will judge were we are then...he overseen 3 All Ireland wins... I watched Tyrone 70's 80's and 90's and i thought i would never 1 great day in september never mind 3.....so for the time being dont forget the memories and go easier on the present....

would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

Not sure many other men than Mickey Harte would have got Tyrone across the line. There was a great team in the mid-90"s too, no Sam Maguire then.

lets just cast our minds back too 2001 and 2002, the years prior to Mickey Harte getting the Tyrone job. In 2001 Tyrone were playing great football with a young eoin mulligan kicking a big score v the dubs in Parnell park while on course to winning a very first national title and then bang they were put out of the competition because of the foot and mouth crisis. Unreal! Of course they went on to win Ulster and beat Armagh on the way. Having played Derry and beating them already in the Ulster semi final they had too play them again in the All Ireland quarter final which was a bit sickening to say the least and were subsequently defeated by a fired up Derry team. 2002 they won the league for the first time(well done Art/Eugene) playing class football. The Sligo match was a case of taking their eye off the ball. It was right and proper Mickey Harte was afforded the chance to take Tyrone in 2003, but no mistake about it Tyrone were gonna win an All Ireland that year for it didn't matter who was gonna be there!! Mickey stated later on their was not much tactics went into Tyrone, he just trusted the players to go out and do their stuff. Lets not get too carried about the manager please. Tyrone in the 1990s did NOT have a great team. Certainly they had one unbelievable footballer who done the job of a black taxi alright!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on April 07, 2017, 07:53:26 AM
So a team embarrassed in the 4th round of the qualifiers by Sligo were certainly for the all Ireland the following year? Total bullshit and I'd say you know that yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:04:06 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM


would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

That's more than a little childish.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 08:29:02 AM
Quote from: square_ball on April 07, 2017, 07:53:26 AM
So a team embarrassed in the 4th round of the qualifiers by Sligo were certainly for the all Ireland the following year? Total bullshit and I'd say you know that yourself.
bullshit yourself. Don't tell me what I know and think. Well done Art and Eugene for recognizing Ryan McMenamin as a talent when others didn't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 07, 2017, 08:32:49 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 07:31:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 07, 2017, 06:51:35 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on April 06, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
i think the Ridiculing of Harte should ease off... i not a fan...but the man should be given the rest of the championship and i will judge were we are then...he overseen 3 All Ireland wins... I watched Tyrone 70's 80's and 90's and i thought i would never 1 great day in september never mind 3.....so for the time being dont forget the memories and go easier on the present....

would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

Not sure many other men than Mickey Harte would have got Tyrone across the line. There was a great team in the mid-90"s too, no Sam Maguire then.

lets just cast our minds back too 2001 and 2002, the years prior to Mickey Harte getting the Tyrone job. In 2001 Tyrone were playing great football with a young eoin mulligan kicking a big score v the dubs in Parnell park while on course to winning a very first national title and then bang they were put out of the competition because of the foot and mouth crisis. Unreal! Of course they went on to win Ulster and beat Armagh on the way. Having played Derry and beating them already in the Ulster semi final they had too play them again in the All Ireland quarter final which was a bit sickening to say the least and were subsequently defeated by a fired up Derry team. 2002 they won the league for the first time(well done Art/Eugene) playing class football. The Sligo match was a case of taking their eye off the ball. It was right and proper Mickey Harte was afforded the chance to take Tyrone in 2003, but no mistake about it Tyrone were gonna win an All Ireland that year for it didn't matter who was gonna be there!! Mickey stated later on their was not much tactics went into Tyrone, he just trusted the players to go out and do their stuff. Lets not get too carried about the manager please. Tyrone in the 1990s did NOT have a great team. Certainly they had one unbelievable footballer who done the job of a black taxi alright!

All Ireland's don't just happen. No team just wins a championship. If you believe this then seriously you must have literally no experience of competitive sport at any level. And even if your nonsense was correct and maybe, just maybe you win one All Ireland, you definitely don't win three. So make your point about what's happening today, there are plenty who agree, but it's utter nonsense to claim Mickey wasn't a key component in 2003, 2005 and 2008.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on April 07, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
You are wrong again... It was Canavan who got Ricey into the panel back then after roasting him in the club championship.

Your full of shit and sooner you leave the better
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 07, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:04:06 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM


would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

That's more than a little childish.

Go through the team, was incredible talent... should have won more. They never had a range of players like that before. Watch and see now what happens when Sean Cavanagh leaves... only Mattie and Petie would have made that team 2003 to 2008.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on April 07, 2017, 08:40:17 AM
Mickey had build a trust and rapport with most of the key members in the Tyrone panel with county minor and under 21 and his own club, in my humble opinion Art and Eugene would not have an All Ireland with that group as they wanted Mickey to manage them and nobody else the trust at that time was nearly unbreakable....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 07, 2017, 08:44:54 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on April 07, 2017, 08:40:17 AM
Mickey had build a trust and rapport with most of the key members in the Tyrone panel with county minor and under 21 and his own club, in my humble opinion Art and Eugene would not have an All Ireland with that group as they wanted Mickey to manage them and nobody else the trust at that time was nearly unbreakable....

We'll never know but I can't argue there was a great bond players and management there and a huge input Paddy Tally and then Tony Donnelly.. wheels have gone off completely now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 07, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:04:06 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM


would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

That's more than a little childish.

Go through the team, was incredible talent... should have won more. They never had a range of players like that before. Watch and see now what happens when Sean Cavanagh leaves... only Mattie and Petie would have made that team 2003 to 2008.

You make the point that it was hard not to win with those players then point out when they didn't win. What happened? Was it easy to win when they won and difficult when they lost?
I am familiar with the team.
All those players will give Mickey Harte an important place in those wins.
So much so that both winning Captains said it in their speeches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 07, 2017, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 07, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:04:06 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM


would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

That's more than a little childish.

Go through the team, was incredible talent... should have won more. They never had a range of players like that before. Watch and see now what happens when Sean Cavanagh leaves... only Mattie and Petie would have made that team 2003 to 2008.

You make the point that it was hard not to win with those players then point out when they didn't win. What happened? Was it easy to win when they won and difficult when they lost?
I am familiar with the team.
All those players will give Mickey Harte an important place in those wins.
So much so that both winning Captains said it in their speeches.

Point is it was hard not to win All Irelands with that group of players. Unlikely any team will win seven or eight in a row but you could have rolled that team out of a bag...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 07, 2017, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 07, 2017, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 07, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:04:06 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM


would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

That's more than a little childish.

Go through the team, was incredible talent... should have won more. They never had a range of players like that before. Watch and see now what happens when Sean Cavanagh leaves... only Mattie and Petie would have made that team 2003 to 2008.

You make the point that it was hard not to win with those players then point out when they didn't win. What happened? Was it easy to win when they won and difficult when they lost?
I am familiar with the team.
All those players will give Mickey Harte an important place in those wins.
So much so that both winning Captains said it in their speeches.

Point is it was hard not to win All Irelands with that group of players. Unlikely any team will win seven or eight in a row but you could have rolled that team out of a bag...

To win one is ok, to win three is an amazing achievement. Maintaining desire, motivation, relationships, fitness etc etc (not to mention managing the aftermath of some huge tragedies) over a prolonged period of time is a skill of management that guys like you who just turn up to matches now and again clearly have no idea about. And believe me, if those great players thought Mickey was a bluffer, there's is no way he would have lasted in the job! So clearly you know better than them it would seem.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on April 07, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
You are wrong again... It was Canavan who got Ricey into the panel back then after roasting him in the club championship.

Your full of shit and sooner you leave the better
blah blah blah canavan a selector? What a f**king moron
.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on April 07, 2017, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 08:29:02 AM
Quote from: square_ball on April 07, 2017, 07:53:26 AM
So a team embarrassed in the 4th round of the qualifiers by Sligo were certainly for the all Ireland the following year? Total bullshit and I'd say you know that yourself.
bullshit yourself. Don't tell me what I know and think. Well done Art and Eugene for recognizing Ryan McMenamin as a talent when others didn't.

You must have made an absolute fortune from the bookies then if you knew these things?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on April 07, 2017, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on April 07, 2017, 08:35:02 AM
You are wrong again... It was Canavan who got Ricey into the panel back then after roasting him in the club championship.

Your full of shit and sooner you leave the better
blah blah blah canavan a selector? What a f**king moron
.
[/quote

This is actually true, most Tyrone Gaels know this story...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 10:53:57 AM
Ricey is the only one responsible for making the Tyrone team. He forced his own way onto it. Anyone who had an interest in club football at the time could see he was excelling.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on April 07, 2017, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 10:53:57 AM
Ricey is the only one responsible for making the Tyrone team. He forced his own way onto it. Anyone who had an interest in club football at the time could see he was excelling.

Lots of players where excelling and never got call ups.. The reason Ricey got it was because Canavan went to Harte and advised him to call him up!! Yes he completly justified it and was a great player before and after the call up but who's to say Harte would have called him up!! Many great players down the years and even present havent got a call up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on April 07, 2017, 11:06:19 AM

Lots of players where excelling and never got call ups.. The reason Ricey got it was because Canavan went to Harte and advised him to call him up!! Yes he completly justified it and was a great player before and after the call up but who's to say Harte would have called him up!! Many great players down the years and even present havent got a call up

Ricey was already there before Harte got the job. His debut was in 2002.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on April 07, 2017, 11:06:19 AM

Lots of players where excelling and never got call ups.. The reason Ricey got it was because Canavan went to Harte and advised him to call him up!! Yes he completly justified it and was a great player before and after the call up but who's to say Harte would have called him up!! Many great players down the years and even present havent got a call up

Ricey was already there before Harte got the job. His debut was in 2002.
2001 ricey was half back on the Ulster winning team and lets not forget when Mickey dropped him for the championship 03 in favour of Mickey McGee who was destroyed by paddy Bradley! The ironic thing is on riceys laochra gael tribute who was stuck on the screen talking about him? Mickey and Mark harte ffs lol!!People on here are quick to rewrite history!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on April 07, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
How is that ironic?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 07, 2017, 08:32:49 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 07:31:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 07, 2017, 06:51:35 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 06, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on April 06, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
i think the Ridiculing of Harte should ease off... i not a fan...but the man should be given the rest of the championship and i will judge were we are then...he overseen 3 All Ireland wins... I watched Tyrone 70's 80's and 90's and i thought i would never 1 great day in september never mind 3.....so for the time being dont forget the memories and go easier on the present....

would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

Not sure many other men than Mickey Harte would have got Tyrone across the line. There was a great team in the mid-90"s too, no Sam Maguire then.

lets just cast our minds back too 2001 and 2002, the years prior to Mickey Harte getting the Tyrone job. In 2001 Tyrone were playing great football with a young eoin mulligan kicking a big score v the dubs in Parnell park while on course to winning a very first national title and then bang they were put out of the competition because of the foot and mouth crisis. Unreal! Of course they went on to win Ulster and beat Armagh on the way. Having played Derry and beating them already in the Ulster semi final they had too play them again in the All Ireland quarter final which was a bit sickening to say the least and were subsequently defeated by a fired up Derry team. 2002 they won the league for the first time(well done Art/Eugene) playing class football. The Sligo match was a case of taking their eye off the ball. It was right and proper Mickey Harte was afforded the chance to take Tyrone in 2003, but no mistake about it Tyrone were gonna win an All Ireland that year for it didn't matter who was gonna be there!! Mickey stated later on their was not much tactics went into Tyrone, he just trusted the players to go out and do their stuff. Lets not get too carried about the manager please. Tyrone in the 1990s did NOT have a great team. Certainly they had one unbelievable footballer who done the job of a black taxi alright!

All Ireland's don't just happen. No team just wins a championship. If you believe this then seriously you must have literally no experience of competitive sport at any level. And even if your nonsense was correct and maybe, just maybe you win one All Ireland, you definitely don't win three. So make your point about what's happening today, there are plenty who agree, but it's utter nonsense to claim Mickey wasn't a key component in 2003, 2005 and 2008.
well you can just win a championship cos generally that's what teams do when they win a championship! Lol. I do worry about todays Tyrone and the 2000 days before it lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on April 07, 2017, 02:13:55 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on April 07, 2017, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 10:53:57 AM
Ricey is the only one responsible for making the Tyrone team. He forced his own way onto it. Anyone who had an interest in club football at the time could see he was excelling.

Lots of players where excelling and never got call ups.. The reason Ricey got it was because Canavan went to Harte and advised him to call him up!! Yes he completly justified it and was a great player before and after the call up but who's to say Harte would have called him up!! Many great players down the years and even present havent got a call up

shows how much you know. It was Art managing the first year Ricey came in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 07, 2017, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 07, 2017, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 07, 2017, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 08:46:14 AM
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would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

That's more than a little childish.

Go through the team, was incredible talent... should have won more. They never had a range of players like that before. Watch and see now what happens when Sean Cavanagh leaves... only Mattie and Petie would have made that team 2003 to 2008.

You make the point that it was hard not to win with those players then point out when they didn't win. What happened? Was it easy to win when they won and difficult when they lost?
I am familiar with the team.
All those players will give Mickey Harte an important place in those wins.
So much so that both winning Captains said it in their speeches.

Point is it was hard not to win All Irelands with that group of players. Unlikely any team will win seven or eight in a row but you could have rolled that team out of a bag...

To win one is ok, to win three is an amazing achievement. Maintaining desire, motivation, relationships, fitness etc etc (not to mention managing the aftermath of some huge tragedies) over a prolonged period of time is a skill of management that guys like you who just turn up to matches now and again clearly have no idea about. And believe me, if those great players thought Mickey was a bluffer, there's is no way he would have lasted in the job! So clearly you know better than them it would seem.

He was given a royal flush. Like how many years was he with the minors without any success until this great squad came along...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 07, 2017, 02:26:41 PM


He was given a royal flush. Like how many years was he with the minors without any success until this great squad came along...

I think he won Ulster in 1992 or 93 but open to correction.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 07, 2017, 02:42:13 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 07, 2017, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 07, 2017, 02:26:41 PM


He was given a royal flush. Like how many years was he with the minors without any success until this great squad came along...

I think he won Ulster in 1992 or 93 but open to correction.

He won in 1993, but sure he had Brian Dooher, Gerard Cavlan and Collie Holmes - how could he not??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 07, 2017, 03:37:32 PM
Remember how Armagh were knocking on the door of an AI for a few years prior to 2002 with  Brian McAlinden and Brian Canavan in charge. After losing to Kerry in 2000, the players decided they wanted the pair to step down but they stood firm and remained on for another year.

Then big Joe came in in 2002 and he was the difference to push them over the line. I thought it was strange how the same thing happened to Tyrone with the new man taking them over the line and we've seen that happen quite a bit since then.
I'm not convinced Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in that semifinal in 2003 had Harte not been in charge.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 07, 2017, 03:43:39 PM
Kerry or Dublin dont be long giving a manager the old heeve hoe if they dont win AI, simple as that. Harte has had 8 unsuccesful years now. Unfortunatly time to go. A new voice might just get them over the finish line cause I do believe the players are there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on April 07, 2017, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 01:24:16 PM
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Quote from: tothetop03 on April 06, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
i think the Ridiculing of Harte should ease off... i not a fan...but the man should be given the rest of the championship and i will judge were we are then...he overseen 3 All Ireland wins... I watched Tyrone 70's 80's and 90's and i thought i would never 1 great day in september never mind 3.....so for the time being dont forget the memories and go easier on the present....

would have been hard not to win an All Ireland with those players

Not sure many other men than Mickey Harte would have got Tyrone across the line. There was a great team in the mid-90"s too, no Sam Maguire then.

lets just cast our minds back too 2001 and 2002, the years prior to Mickey Harte getting the Tyrone job. In 2001 Tyrone were playing great football with a young eoin mulligan kicking a big score v the dubs in Parnell park while on course to winning a very first national title and then bang they were put out of the competition because of the foot and mouth crisis. Unreal! Of course they went on to win Ulster and beat Armagh on the way. Having played Derry and beating them already in the Ulster semi final they had too play them again in the All Ireland quarter final which was a bit sickening to say the least and were subsequently defeated by a fired up Derry team. 2002 they won the league for the first time(well done Art/Eugene) playing class football. The Sligo match was a case of taking their eye off the ball. It was right and proper Mickey Harte was afforded the chance to take Tyrone in 2003, but no mistake about it Tyrone were gonna win an All Ireland that year for it didn't matter who was gonna be there!! Mickey stated later on their was not much tactics went into Tyrone, he just trusted the players to go out and do their stuff. Lets not get too carried about the manager please. Tyrone in the 1990s did NOT have a great team. Certainly they had one unbelievable footballer who done the job of a black taxi alright!
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All Ireland's don't just happen. No team just wins a championship. If you believe this then seriously you must have literally no experience of competitive sport at any level. And even if your nonsense was correct and maybe, just maybe you win one All Ireland, you definitely don't win three. So make your point about what's happening today, there are plenty who agree, but it's utter nonsense to claim Mickey wasn't a key component in 2003, 2005 and 2008.
well you can just win a championship cos generally that's what teams do when they win a championship! Lol. I do worry about todays Tyrone and the 2000 days before it lol

bit harsh to be honest. Canavan was the best player in Ireland in that period, that was never in doubt and carried Tyrone to a high level. However, that team from early 90's played in an era of straight KO (no back door crap) and the first 4 AI's of the 90's all came from Ulster (Down, Derry, Donegal and Down again) so it was a tough Ulster championship to compete in. They just fell short in '95 and '96 after winning consecutive Ulster titles and were the first Ulster team in over 20 years to do so and arguably would have won an AI in that period if there was a back door system (which I think is a farce anyway). There were a few serious operators in that Tyrone era apart from Canavan but he was without doubt the best player in Ireland in that period and was over a 10 year period and rightly gained all the plaudits - end of !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 07:44:15 PM
Just looking at this weeks Tyrone/Ulster herald about the senior teamj you d think every thing was rosey in the garden and "Mickey has a bit of work to do but he will get it right yet" bullshit. Frank Rodgers and big packie would need to wake up and stop sitting on the fence. Unfortunately in Tyrone theres too many loyal to the man and not the county! They wouldn't have it in Kerry nor Dublin so why here?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on April 07, 2017, 07:48:24 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 07:44:15 PM
Just looking at this weeks Tyrone/Ulster herald about the senior teamj you d think every thing was rosey in the garden and "Mickey has a bit of work to do but he will get it right yet" bullshit. Frank Rodgers and big packie would need to wake up and stop sitting on the fence. Unfortunately in Tyrone theres too many loyal to the man and not the county! They wouldn't have it in Kerry nor Dublin so why here?

Why don't you arrange to meet Micky and share with him you're wisdom. No point complaining here because you obviously feel very strongly about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 08:11:27 PM
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on April 07, 2017, 07:48:24 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 07, 2017, 07:44:15 PM
Just looking at this weeks Tyrone/Ulster herald about the senior teamj you d think every thing was rosey in the garden and "Mickey has a bit of work to do but he will get it right yet" bullshit. Frank Rodgers and big packie would need to wake up and stop sitting on the fence. Unfortunately in Tyrone theres too many loyal to the man and not the county! They wouldn't have it in Kerry nor Dublin so why here?

Why don't you arrange to meet Micky and share with him you're wisdom. No point complaining here because you obviously feel very strongly about it.
my wise words would be, please step down, thank you and goodbye.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 07, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
whilst team in a million and stg are strongly anti-mickey they do raise an interesting point re media. the ulster herald post john carney have never written anything that would in anyway ruffle feathers. the irish news has always taken a pro ulster we need to sell papers approach to honouring mickey and the past. id love to see an article in the irish news that doesent mention 3 time all ireland winning blah blah.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 07, 2017, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 07, 2017, 03:37:32 PM
Remember how Armagh were knocking on the door of an AI for a few years prior to 2002 with  Brian McAlinden and Brian Canavan in charge. After losing to Kerry in 2000, the players decided they wanted the pair to step down but they stood firm and remained on for another year.

Then big Joe came in in 2002 and he was the difference to push them over the line. I thought it was strange how the same thing happened to Tyrone with the new man taking them over the line and we've seen that happen quite a bit since then.
I'm not convinced Tyrone would have beaten Kerry in that semifinal in 2003 had Harte not been in charge.
so you agree we need a new manager now to get us over the line again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 07, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 07, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
whilst team in a million and stg are strongly anti-mickey they do raise an interesting point re media. the ulster herald post john carney have never written anything that would in anyway ruffle feathers. the irish news has always taken a pro ulster we need to sell papers approach to honouring mickey and the past. id love to see an article in the irish news that doesent mention 3 time all ireland winning blah blah.
with regards to the media i think mickey has played a blinder with them. he never turns down an interview with any local media.ie, irish news, tyrone herald, teamtalkmag, hoganstand, belfast telegraph so that he can spew a pile of shite and brainwash people into thinking he is doing a great job when results the last 6 yrs would suggest otherwise. its part of the reason why he has kept his job for so long.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on April 07, 2017, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 07, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 07, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
whilst team in a million and stg are strongly anti-mickey they do raise an interesting point re media. the ulster herald post john carney have never written anything that would in anyway ruffle feathers. the irish news has always taken a pro ulster we need to sell papers approach to honouring mickey and the past. id love to see an article in the irish news that doesent mention 3 time all ireland winning blah blah.
with regards to the media i think mickey has played a blinder with them. he never turns down an interview with any local media.ie, irish news, tyrone herald, teamtalkmag, hoganstand, belfast telegraph so that he can spew a pile of shite and brainwash people into thinking he is doing a great job when results the last 6 yrs would suggest otherwise. its part of the reason why he has kept his job for so long.

Like nearly all managers Mickey is interviewed after matches. The various media outlets use quotes from the post-match interview over the course of the following week. It's rare enough that he'll do an interview for one newspaper per se.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on April 08, 2017, 08:41:31 AM
Off The Ball last night had a great discussion.

It was pointed out that Tyrone get a hard time from RTE compared to the Dubs and Kerry. That Dublin can be and have been cynical especially at the All Ireland final stage.
If ye get a chance listen back to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2017, 08:45:16 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 07, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 07, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
whilst team in a million and stg are strongly anti-mickey they do raise an interesting point re media. the ulster herald post john carney have never written anything that would in anyway ruffle feathers. the irish news has always taken a pro ulster we need to sell papers approach to honouring mickey and the past. id love to see an article in the irish news that doesent mention 3 time all ireland winning blah blah.
with regards to the media i think mickey has played a blinder with them. he never turns down an interview with any local media.ie, irish news, tyrone herald, teamtalkmag, hoganstand, belfast telegraph so that he can spew a pile of shite and brainwash people into thinking he is doing a great job when results the last 6 yrs would suggest otherwise. its part of the reason why he has kept his job for so long.

Local GAA journalists never slag off their teams....in any county! It's their bread and butter, it's not a Mickey Harte thing....And they aren't all part of a master plan trying to brainwash people. You must find everyday life very difficult! 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on April 08, 2017, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2017, 08:45:16 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 07, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 07, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
whilst team in a million and stg are strongly anti-mickey they do raise an interesting point re media. the ulster herald post john carney have never written anything that would in anyway ruffle feathers. the irish news has always taken a pro ulster we need to sell papers approach to honouring mickey and the past. id love to see an article in the irish news that doesent mention 3 time all ireland winning blah blah.
with regards to the media i think mickey has played a blinder with them. he never turns down an interview with any local media.ie, irish news, tyrone herald, teamtalkmag, hoganstand, belfast telegraph so that he can spew a pile of shite and brainwash people into thinking he is doing a great job when results the last 6 yrs would suggest otherwise. its part of the reason why he has kept his job for so long.

Local GAA journalists never slag off their teams....in any county! It's their bread and butter, it's not a Mickey Harte thing....And they aren't all part of a master plan trying to brainwash people. You must find everyday life very difficult! 😂

According to these lads Benny it's worse than North Korea around these parts!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 08, 2017, 01:54:20 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 08, 2017, 08:41:31 AM
Off The Ball last night had a great discussion.

It was pointed out that Tyrone get a hard time from RTE compared to the Dubs and Kerry. That Dublin can be and have been cynical especially at the All Ireland final stage.
If ye get a chance listen back to it.
I wonder why Tyrone have been getting such a hard time from rte this last 6 yrs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 08, 2017, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 08, 2017, 08:41:31 AM
Off The Ball last night had a great discussion.

It was pointed out that Tyrone get a hard time from RTE compared to the Dubs and Kerry. That Dublin can be and have been cynical especially at the All Ireland final stage.
If ye get a chance listen back to it.

Listened to us, it was merely a line saying if Tyrone, Donegal or Monaghan had done some of the stuff Dublin did in cynical play there would be a 25 minute analysis of it on The Sunday Game.

Fitzmaurice has a brass neck to be moaning about media bias. Kerry have been the most cynical side in the country since he has taken charge and by and large have gotten away with minimum criticism.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 08, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 08, 2017, 01:54:20 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on April 08, 2017, 08:41:31 AM
Off The Ball last night had a great discussion.

It was pointed out that Tyrone get a hard time from RTE compared to the Dubs and Kerry. That Dublin can be and have been cynical especially at the All Ireland final stage.
If ye get a chance listen back to it.
I wonder why Tyrone have been getting such a hard time from rte this last 6 yrs?
people on here should worry about what's going on in there own house instead of worrying about Dublin or Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 09, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
After a great day of club action, I can only say there is plenty of forward talent in the O'Neill county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 09, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
After a great day of club action, I can only say there is plenty of forward talent in the O'Neill county.

Name names fella. Who's not there that should be?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 09, 2017, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 09, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
After a great day of club action, I can only say there is plenty of forward talent in the O'Neill county.

Name names fella. Who's not there that should be?
Conan Grugan, Conan Grugan and Conan Grugan. Obviously not just judging him on todays performance against a fairly under strength Greencastle team where he was the best player on the pitch by a long way. There are a load of players on the county squad who are all very good but Grugan is better than.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 10, 2017, 03:19:40 AM
Quote from: In hiding on April 09, 2017, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 09, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
After a great day of club action, I can only say there is plenty of forward talent in the O'Neill county.

Name names fella. Who's not there that should be?
Conan Grugan, Conan Grugan and Conan Grugan. Obviously not just judging him on todays performance against a fairly under strength Greencastle team where he was the best player on the pitch by a long way. There are a load of players on the county squad who are all very good but Grugan is better than.
Peter Hughes of Eskra is a consistently excellent performer who nailed every free kick inside the 45 left and right with considerable ease. Open play even better. Wonder how many of the omagh boys on here would swap Grugan for Peter Harte?? Not too many id say!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on April 10, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
Quote from: In hiding on April 09, 2017, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 09, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
After a great day of club action, I can only say there is plenty of forward talent in the O'Neill county.

Name names fella. Who's not there that should be?
Conan Grugan, Conan Grugan and Conan Grugan. Obviously not just judging him on todays performance against a fairly under strength Greencastle team where he was the best player on the pitch by a long way. There are a load of players on the county squad who are all very good but Grugan is better than.

Conan Grugan is no better than what's there. Many in the know would tell you that there's very valid reasons why Grugan isn't there. Very few to do with football ability and more to do with attitude
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 10, 2017, 08:51:54 AM
Grugan should be judged more on games like last year v Clonoe in a tight championship game than an easy league win over an average division 1 team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 10, 2017, 09:06:30 AM
Get real judging players on performances against the likes of Greencastle who are seriously understrength this year.The best players in Tyrone are all in the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 10, 2017, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on April 10, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
Quote from: In hiding on April 09, 2017, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 09, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
After a great day of club action, I can only say there is plenty of forward talent in the O'Neill county.

Name names fella. Who's not there that should be?
Conan Grugan, Conan Grugan and Conan Grugan. Obviously not just judging him on todays performance against a fairly under strength Greencastle team where he was the best player on the pitch by a long way. There are a load of players on the county squad who are all very good but Grugan is better than.

Conan Grugan is no better than what's there. Many in the know would tell you that there's very valid reasons why Grugan isn't there. Very few to do with football ability and more to do with attitude
I think grugans attitude was excellent when winning the all ai with minors in 2010 and nearly winning ulster club with omagh.maybe its mickey hartes attitude needs looked at.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on April 10, 2017, 10:40:27 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 10, 2017, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: RedHandTom on April 10, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
Quote from: In hiding on April 09, 2017, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 09, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
After a great day of club action, I can only say there is plenty of forward talent in the O'Neill county.

Name names fella. Who's not there that should be?
Conan Grugan, Conan Grugan and Conan Grugan. Obviously not just judging him on todays performance against a fairly under strength Greencastle team where he was the best player on the pitch by a long way. There are a load of players on the county squad who are all very good but Grugan is better than.

Conan Grugan is no better than what's there. Many in the know would tell you that there's very valid reasons why Grugan isn't there. Very few to do with football ability and more to do with attitude
I think grugans attitude was excellent when winning the all ai with minors in 2010 and nearly winning ulster club with omagh.maybe its mickey hartes attitude needs looked at.

The mans already had a chance at senior level and didn't take it. You really haven't a clue!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 10, 2017, 11:19:12 AM
What chance did the lad get? Played a few league games in chf then come big championship game against Monaghan in clones he was dropped into midfield against Darren Hughes and dick clerkin! He had a bad game and wasn't seen again. Another promising talent ruined by Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 10, 2017, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 10, 2017, 11:19:12 AM
What chance did the lad get? Played a few league games in chf then come big championship game against Monaghan in clones he was dropped into midfield against Darren Hughes and dick clerkin! He had a bad game and wasn't seen again. Another promising talent ruined by Harte.
Ah lads ye are either stupid or blind. I started my post with obviously not judging him on a performance against a weak greencastle team which the intellectual brains on this board were either not able to read or chose to ignore.
Grugan left the panel of his own free will as he thought he needed a full year of club football to improve. Just as mattie donnelly and niall sludden did. Grugan is a better player now than he was then. Redhandtom criticises his attitude!!!!
Do you know the lad ?
And finally he is a better player than some of those on the county panel. Some of those in the know that you talk about would tell you that... if they knew anything that is
Skeog, you say all the best players in tyrone are currently on the panel. Omagh have 4 on the panel and Grugan is the best player in the club, never mind looking g at other county players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 10, 2017, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 10, 2017, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 10, 2017, 11:19:12 AM
What chance did the lad get? Played a few league games in chf then come big championship game against Monaghan in clones he was dropped into midfield against Darren Hughes and dick clerkin! He had a bad game and wasn't seen again. Another promising talent ruined by Harte.
Ah lads ye are either stupid or blind. I started my post with obviously not judging him on a performance against a weak greencastle team which the intellectual brains on this board were either not able to read or chose to ignore.
Grugan left the panel of his own free will as he thought he needed a full year of club football to improve. Just as mattie donnelly and niall sludden did. Grugan is a better player now than he was then. Redhandtom criticises his attitude!!!!
Do you know the lad ?
And finally he is a better player than some of those on the county panel. Some of those in the know that you talk about would tell you that... if they knew anything that is
Skeog, you say all the best players in tyrone are currently on the panel. Omagh have 4 on the panel and Grugan is the best player in the club, never mind looking g at other county players
Grugan obviously doesn't want to suffer from depression like the current members of the Tyrone squad. Be happy like Conan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on April 11, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Rule 6.22 (b)     
Senior Inter-County Panels shall not be permitted to go on Training Weekends, or training of longer duration, after the Final of their respective National League having been played, except during the 13 days period prior to a Senior Championship Game, or during the 20 days prior to an All-Ireland Senior Final.

Anyone else notice this from GAA rulebook regarding next Thursdays fixture change? Could open up a can of worms.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 11, 2017, 02:56:04 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on April 11, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Rule 6.22 (b)     
Senior Inter-County Panels shall not be permitted to go on Training Weekends, or training of longer duration, after the Final of their respective National League having been played, except during the 13 days period prior to a Senior Championship Game, or during the 20 days prior to an All-Ireland Senior Final.

Anyone else notice this from GAA rulebook regarding ? Could open up a can or worms.

Donegal also away to New York this week which surely contravene the above rule.

http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/sport/227364/donegal-heading-to-new-york-on-fund-raising-drive.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on April 12, 2017, 10:04:08 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on April 11, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Rule 6.22 (b)     
Senior Inter-County Panels shall not be permitted to go on Training Weekends, or training of longer duration, after the Final of their respective National League having been played, except during the 13 days period prior to a Senior Championship Game, or during the 20 days prior to an All-Ireland Senior Final.

Anyone else notice this from GAA rulebook regarding next Thursdays fixture change? Could open up a can of worms.

What are the sanctions and penalties for breaking such a rule.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on April 12, 2017, 11:59:58 AM
No penalties/sanctions listed in the rule book, just that its not permitted. Another rule/guideline that is questionably enforced...

(d)
Players who are not included in an inter-County senior Panel of twenty-six players, shall be available to their Clubs on the weekends of national league and senior Championship games."
Penalty in respect of breach of (d): A County shall forfeit Home venue for its next 'Home game' in the respective national league.(note: section (d) will be effective from January 1st
2017.)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on April 12, 2017, 01:33:51 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on April 12, 2017, 10:04:08 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on April 11, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Rule 6.22 (b)     
Senior Inter-County Panels shall not be permitted to go on Training Weekends, or training of longer duration, after the Final of their respective National League having been played, except during the 13 days period prior to a Senior Championship Game, or during the 20 days prior to an All-Ireland Senior Final.

Anyone else notice this from GAA rulebook regarding next Thursdays fixture change? Could open up a can of worms.

What are the sanctions and penalties for breaking such a rule.

My view on the Thursday night fixtures is that it demonstrates how much club players are an afterthought that their fixtures are to be squeezed in. Not obviously just a Tyrone CB issue if Donegal are doing the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 14, 2017, 06:16:25 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 12, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
County Board and Harte just a law onto themselves. No respect for clubs. World doesnt begin and end with Tyrone county teams
Harte pretending to be a serious coach with another big weekend away! No doubt the problems with Tyrone that are there, will still be there come summer. Spoof, bluster and bullshit. By the way the Hogan stand Tyrone forum seems to be heavily moderated. Only boring mundane and pro Harte comments are aloud. Talk about North Korea. Thankfully you can say whatever the f**k ye want on this one!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 14, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 14, 2017, 06:16:25 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 12, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
County Board and Harte just a law onto themselves. No respect for clubs. World doesnt begin and end with Tyrone county teams
Harte pretending to be a serious coach with another big weekend away! No doubt the problems with Tyrone that are there, will still be there come summer. Spoof, bluster and bullshit. By the way the Hogan stand Tyrone forum seems to be heavily moderated. Only boring mundane and pro Harte comments are aloud. Talk about North Korea. Thankfully you can say whatever the f**k ye want on this one!

Lad you arent from tyrone, get a life or a job
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 14, 2017, 09:20:55 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 14, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 14, 2017, 06:16:25 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 12, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
County Board and Harte just a law onto themselves. No respect for clubs. World doesnt begin and end with Tyrone county teams
Harte pretending to be a serious coach with another big weekend away! No doubt the problems with Tyrone that are there, will still be there come summer. Spoof, bluster and bullshit. By the way the Hogan stand Tyrone forum seems to be heavily moderated. Only boring mundane and pro Harte comments are aloud. Talk about North Korea. Thankfully you can say whatever the f**k ye want on this one!

Lad you arent from tyrone, get a life or a job
yeh Il see you down the dole office later on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on April 14, 2017, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 14, 2017, 09:20:55 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 14, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 14, 2017, 06:16:25 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 12, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
County Board and Harte just a law onto themselves. No respect for clubs. World doesnt begin and end with Tyrone county teams
Harte pretending to be a serious coach with another big weekend away! No doubt the problems with Tyrone that are there, will still be there come summer. Spoof, bluster and bullshit. By the way the Hogan stand Tyrone forum seems to be heavily moderated. Only boring mundane and pro Harte comments are aloud. Talk about North Korea. Thankfully you can say whatever the f**k ye want on this one!

Lad you arent from tyrone, get a life or a job

Yeah your a tube who hasn't a clue
yeh Il see you down the dole office later on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 15, 2017, 12:00:27 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on April 14, 2017, 12:30:47 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 14, 2017, 09:20:55 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 14, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 14, 2017, 06:16:25 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 12, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
County Board and Harte just a law onto themselves. No respect for clubs. World doesnt begin and end with Tyrone county teams
Harte pretending to be a serious coach with another big weekend away! No doubt the problems with Tyrone that are there, will still be there come summer. Spoof, bluster and bullshit. By the way the Hogan stand Tyrone forum seems to be heavily moderated. Only boring mundane and pro Harte comments are aloud. Talk about North Korea. Thankfully you can say whatever the f**k ye want on this one!


who me?

Lad you arent from tyrone, get a life or a job

Yeah your a tube who hasn't a clue
yeh Il see you down the dole office later on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on April 16, 2017, 05:55:35 PM
Na that teaminamillion gobshit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 16, 2017, 08:03:15 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on April 16, 2017, 05:55:35 PM
Na that teaminamillion gobshit
lol w**ker
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 18, 2017, 10:09:26 PM
A man told me today the owner of carton house in Kildare is non other than Mickey Harte's sister!! So that's who club Tyrone are handing the big cheque over to. This cronyism has to come to an end!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 18, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
i wonder how many more of mickeys family and friends are on the payroll. any wonder the county board are near broke.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on April 18, 2017, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 18, 2017, 10:09:26 PM
A man told me today the owner of carton house in Kildare is non other than Mickey Harte's sister!! So that's who club Tyrone are handing the big cheque over to. This cronyism has to come to an end!!!
And in other news the pope says mass.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 19, 2017, 03:37:52 AM
A famous US president once said "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country." In Mickeys case its "ask not what I can do for my county(which isn't very much) but what my county can do for all our ones."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 19, 2017, 03:49:18 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 18, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
i wonder how many more of mickeys family and friends are on the payroll. any wonder the county board are near broke.
Arlene and the lads in the DUP wouldn't have a look in!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 19, 2017, 09:05:48 AM
Cartron House has the best training facilities in Ireland.Club Tyrone only go for excellence not cronyism.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on April 19, 2017, 10:11:45 AM
If Carton House is good enough for Real Madrid then it should be good enough for Tyrone no matter who owns it.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/special-beds-22oz-steaks-and-lots-of-avocados-home-from-home-for-ireland-s-sporting-elite-1.3030723
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 19, 2017, 11:02:34 AM
Does anyone moderate these threads at all? Since when has personal/financial insinuations become par for the course? STG and TIAM (although should address them as one) would want to wise up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 19, 2017, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: skeog on April 19, 2017, 09:05:48 AM
Cartron House has the best training facilities in Ireland.Club Tyrone only go for excellence not cronyism.

That gave me the best laugh on this board in a while
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 19, 2017, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 19, 2017, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: skeog on April 19, 2017, 09:05:48 AM
Cartron House has the best training facilities in Ireland.Club Tyrone only go for excellence not cronyism.

That gave me the best laugh on this board in a while
the carton house centre of excellence lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 19, 2017, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: tc_manchester on April 19, 2017, 10:11:45 AM
If Carton House is good enough for Real Madrid then it should be good enough for Tyrone no matter who owns it.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/special-beds-22oz-steaks-and-lots-of-avocados-home-from-home-for-ireland-s-sporting-elite-1.3030723

Then a suppose if Tyrone end up playing like Real Madrid it will be all worth it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on April 19, 2017, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 19, 2017, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: skeog on April 19, 2017, 09:05:48 AM
Cartron House has the best training facilities in Ireland.Club Tyrone only go for excellence not cronyism.

That gave me the best laugh on this board in a while
Why?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on April 19, 2017, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 19, 2017, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: tc_manchester on April 19, 2017, 10:11:45 AM
If Carton House is good enough for Real Madrid then it should be good enough for Tyrone no matter who owns it.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/special-beds-22oz-steaks-and-lots-of-avocados-home-from-home-for-ireland-s-sporting-elite-1.3030723

Then a suppose if Tyrone end up playing like Real Madrid it will be all worth it?
If they ended up as attack focused as Real Madrid then definitely but i wouldn't have high hopes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 19, 2017, 08:32:24 PM
This is impressive stuff!
http://www.the42.ie/lee-brennan-tyrone-3-14-video-3347752-Apr2017/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 19, 2017, 10:30:32 PM
lee brennan is the next best thing since, raymond mulgrew, kyle coney and ronan o neill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 20, 2017, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 19, 2017, 10:30:32 PM
lee brennan is the next best thing since, raymond mulgrew, kyle coney and ronan o neill.
sounds ominously bad for young Brennans Tyrone future then, oh dear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 22, 2017, 02:21:29 PM
Tyrone minors beat Derry 1-09 to 0-09 in the last ever u-18 league final. The u-17 team beating Donegal 8 points to 3 at HT in their final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 22, 2017, 03:09:12 PM
U-17s win 15 points to 7
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 24, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
heard mickey harte was conducting one on one crisis interviews with tyrone players before kerry league game. all is not well and his paranoia is growing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 24, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 24, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
heard mickey harte was conducting one on one crisis interviews with tyrone players before kerry league game. all is not well and his paranoia is growing.

No doubt teeninamillion will be along in a minute to confirm this!  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 24, 2017, 10:14:32 PM
ive already had it confirmed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 25, 2017, 06:49:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 24, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 24, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
heard mickey harte was conducting one on one crisis interviews with tyrone players before kerry league game. all is not well and his paranoia is growing.

No doubt teeninamillion will be along in a minute to confirm this!  ::)
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Quote from: southtyronegael on April 24, 2017, 10:14:32 PM
ive already had it confirmed.
No doubt Mickeys favourite thug Gavin Devlin will throwing his big weight around letting the players know who's boss.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 25, 2017, 07:39:46 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 25, 2017, 06:49:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 24, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 24, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
heard mickey harte was conducting one on one crisis interviews with tyrone players before kerry league game. all is not well and his paranoia is growing.

No doubt teeninamillion will be along in a minute to confirm this!  ::)
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Quote from: southtyronegael on April 24, 2017, 10:14:32 PM
ive already had it confirmed.
No doubt Mickeys favourite thug Gavin Devlin will throwing his big weight around letting the players know who's boss.

Good work, waiting a few hours before switching profiles and replying is genius!  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 25, 2017, 03:37:47 PM
I won't say Il celebrate Harte's departure like it was the third Sunday of September 2003 but me and a few other Tyrone lads will be taking a few pints like it was. The swamp will be drained and our great county will be great again. So to all the Harte loyalists you can kiss my red and white ass just like you do to Adolf Mickeys.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on April 25, 2017, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 25, 2017, 03:37:47 PM
I won't say Il celebrate Harte's departure like it was the third Sunday of September 2003 but me and a few other Tyrone lads will be taking a few pints like it was. The swamp will be drained and our great county will be great again. So to all the Harte loyalists you can kiss my red and white ass just like you do to Adolf Mickeys.

Six All Irelands young man what ever way you look at it thats some return.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 25, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
If ye were doing the interview for the new manager what attributes would you be looking for?
What style of play would you be looking for and how would it compete with say Donegal and Monaghan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 25, 2017, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 25, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
If ye were doing the interview for the new manager what attributes would you be looking for?
What style of play would you be looking for and how would it compete with say Donegal and Monaghan?
Mickey has proven to be a poor coach in this new era of Jim Gavin and Eammon Fitzmaurice.  Player selection is the main problem. Hartes idea of a good footballer is far different to a lot of peoples. The man has been their so long, he thinks he owns the place were bullying the county board and cronyism is rife. Fair play to Roisin Jordan for it took a lady to stand up to this individual. It's gonna be great seeing the back of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 25, 2017, 07:23:38 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 25, 2017, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 25, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
If ye were doing the interview for the new manager what attributes would you be looking for?
What style of play would you be looking for and how would it compete with say Donegal and Monaghan?
Mickey has proven to be a poor coach in this new era of Jim Gavin and Eammon Fitzmaurice.  Player selection is the main problem. Hartes idea of a good footballer is far different to a lot of peoples. The man has been their so long, he thinks he owns the place were bullying the county board and cronyism is rife. Fair play to Roisin Jordan for it took a lady to stand up to this individual. It's gonna be great seeing the back of him.

Give us your best XV in Tyrone right now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 25, 2017, 08:35:02 PM
He'll  (both STG and TIAM) never answer. Like most things in life, it's always easier to point out problems and hurl from the ditch. However, resolving problems and making constructive suggestions is usually beyond a D- wind up merchant.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 25, 2017, 08:51:51 PM
whats the point in naming an new xv?they will still be asked to play the same muck as now. our problems are more fundamental than changing players or positions. at the minute we only need one change and thats the mangagement.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 25, 2017, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 25, 2017, 08:51:51 PM
whats the point in naming an new xv?they will still be asked to play the same muck as now. our problems are more fundamental than changing players or positions. at the minute we only need one change and thats the mangagement.

But in your previous post you said that player selection was the main problem?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 25, 2017, 09:00:10 PM
where did i say that? but yes player selection is also part of the problem but like i say if we get rid of the current management team then most of our problems will dissapear with them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 25, 2017, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 25, 2017, 09:00:10 PM
where did i say that? but yes player selection is also part of the problem but like i say if we get rid of the current management team then most of our problems will dissapear with them.

Quote from: teaminamillion on April 25, 2017, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 25, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
If ye were doing the interview for the new manager what attributes would you be looking for?
What style of play would you be looking for and how would it compete with say Donegal and Monaghan?
Mickey has proven to be a poor coach in this new era of Jim Gavin and Eammon Fitzmaurice.  Player selection is the main problem. Hartes idea of a good footballer is far different to a lot of peoples. The man has been their so long, he thinks he owns the place were bullying the county board and cronyism is rife. Fair play to Roisin Jordan for it took a lady to stand up to this individual. It's gonna be great seeing the back of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 25, 2017, 09:19:18 PM
catch a grip man. if thats the case then all yous mickey apologists must be  the one account? go out around the county and youl soon realise there are alot more than one or two people on here who want rid of harte, imagine that. problem is youve got ur head buried too deep in the sand to see.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 25, 2017, 09:22:41 PM
People on here think me and south Tyrone are the same person. I don't know him/her but fair play they know the score on this issue. My problem with player selection is that in order to facilitate these favourited players Harte has to set up this rigid defensive system. The players in question would be McCrory Tiernan McCann and Peter Harte. Lets just say any of these players had a direct individual opponent on the pitch, they would be destroyed! Peter Harte was badly exposed when Donegal and Ryan McHugh targeted him in the Ulster final. THAT IS THE REASON TYRONE PLAY THIS WAY!! Mickey Harte is determined his nephew is gonna be the "Star" player even if it means the Tyrone team as a whole will suffer. People need to really wake up to this. Thankfully the end is near.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 25, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
I ain't no fan of the way Tyrone play these past few years and do believe it's time for a change of management but by god you 2 would need to change the record. We get your point, you strongly dislike MH, that's fine but every single post is the same thing over and over. Move On
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 25, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
you mean move on and pretend everything is ok? nah. we can move on next year when new manager is in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 01:52:25 AM
As soon as someone on here says"I'm no fan of Mickey Harte but..." It will always be treated with suspicion. I and others will hammer the message home on this until the day Harte is gone. For nobody else especially the local newspapers or former Tyrone players don't come close to criticizing Harte which is a disgrace in itself. Anyone who cares about the GAA in Tyrone should not be afraid to speak their mind and I won't!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 26, 2017, 06:14:02 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 01:52:25 AM
As soon as someone on here says"I'm no fan of Mickey Harte but..." It will always be treated with suspicion. I and others will hammer the message home on this until the day Harte is gone. For nobody else especially the local newspapers or former Tyrone players don't come close to criticizing Harte which is a disgrace in itself. Anyone who cares about the GAA in Tyrone should not be afraid to speak their mind and I won't!

Fixed that for you fella.

You think you are feckin Braveheart because you log on with a couple of profiles and  get aggressive on a faceless, nameless Internet forum. Any worthwhile debate on the county team has been ruined on this thread and I'd be fairly sure that your hissy fits will not make an arseholes bit of difference when next years county manager is decided. A lot of people may not agree with what Harte is currently doing but have a lot of respect for what he has achieved and think he doesn't deserve the personal and downright disgusting abuse that you have made in such a cowardly and faceless way on this forum. In actual fact you probably, if anything, have encouraged people to support Harte more in the face of such abuse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 26, 2017, 09:09:41 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 01:52:25 AM
As soon as someone on here says"I'm no fan of Mickey Harte but..." It will always be treated with suspicion. I and others will hammer the message home on this until the day Harte is gone. For nobody else especially the local newspapers or former Tyrone players don't come close to criticizing Harte which is a disgrace in itself. Anyone who cares about the GAA in Tyrone should not be afraid to speak their mind and I won't!

What an absolute moron, its football there are more important things in life! Try and find yourself one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on April 26, 2017, 10:09:31 AM
teaminamillion learn how to use the quote button you hallion.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 26, 2017, 10:19:20 AM
Lads could ye maybe start a new thread to discuss this shite. I'd say 90% of posters on here don't want to read the rubbish ye are posting but of course you are entitled to your opinion as much as anyone.
However, as a few have already pointed out ye just keep making the same statements over and over again. We got it a long time ago that ye want Mickey out no matter what. Repeating this over and over would speed that up or have any impact on the county board or anyone else.

As somebody said there are probably a good few on here who will be glad when Mickey moves on as well as we don't like the way Tyrone are developing but they didn't give him an extension last year and so there will be a decision made at the end of this year.
Personally, from me living outside the county, it appears a lot of people are not happy with how the development squads are being run and players are not developing like they used to. People are not happy with the ultra defensive style of football we play but as we have to compete with the likes of Donegal and Monaghan it seems if you don't play this type of game then you will lose. Even the Dubs have shown that now.

So rather than trying to continually convince the rest of us that we too should push Mickey out the door, if ye can maybe just wait until the end of this year and see what happens.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on April 26, 2017, 10:34:15 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 26, 2017, 06:14:02 AM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 01:52:25 AM
As soon as someone on here says"I'm no fan of Mickey Harte but..." It will always be treated with suspicion. I and others will hammer the message home on this until the day Harte is gone. For nobody else especially the local newspapers or former Tyrone players don't come close to criticizing Harte which is a disgrace in itself. Anyone who cares about the GAA in Tyrone should not be afraid to speak their mind and I won't!

Fixed that for you fella.

You think you are feckin Braveheart because you log on with a couple of profiles and  get aggressive on a faceless, nameless Internet forum. Any worthwhile debate on the county team has been ruined on this thread and I'd be fairly sure that your hissy fits will not make an arseholes bit of difference when next years county manager is decided. A lot of people may not agree with what Harte is currently doing but have a lot of respect for what he has achieved and think he doesn't deserve the personal and downright disgusting abuse that you have made in such a cowardly and faceless way on this forum. In actual fact you probably, if anything, have encouraged people to support Harte more in the face of such abuse.
+1
The personal attacks and whiny insinuations have no place on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 26, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
Constructive criticism and alternative suggestions are perfectly reasonable and should be encouraged. You lads fire out blatant personal insult and nasty insinuations that have no place on a public forum. That's the crux of the issue here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
I think I and others speak with great authority on this one. Only 5000 attending Healy park league games is good enough for me to make an opinion and I do represent the majority that don't go any longer. You think Mickey Harte would disrespect me any less for my views? He already does by dragging Tyrone through the muck. Ah well won't be long now anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 26, 2017, 01:24:08 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
I think I and others speak with great authority on this one. Only 5000 attending Healy park league games is good enough for me to make an opinion and I do represent the majority that don't go any longer. You think Mickey Harte would disrespect me any less for my views? He already does by dragging Tyrone through the muck. Ah well won't be long now anyway.

So you think it's ok to make personal financial allegations against Mickey and his family, on a public forum, because you believe he would disrespect you for your views on the present state of Tyrone football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 26, 2017, 03:30:13 PM
I've also had personal insults thrown at me on here. Someone said I was an overweight geek who played call of duty. But the most vile thing was people accusing me of being from Derry! Disgusting.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 26, 2017, 03:38:41 PM
So back to talking about football then.

What do people think Mickey will do regarding the starting 15?
Will he return Mattie to MF or will we see him played in the FF line were he seemed to be wasted during some league games, though the ball into him wasn't great.
Will we ever get to see Mattie, Sludden and Harte as our favourite HF line?
Has young McClure done enough to start at MF

At the start of the year most of ye on here seemed to think Munroe would be the latest u21 to bring into the team but it looks like McGeary might have passed him out. McNabb and Rory Brennan will hopefully be pushing hard for half back places.

No doubt free taking will continue to be a concern but you would imagine we will have enough to beat the Derry wans sor unless Brolly kicks up some scandal about us first.  >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 26, 2017, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 26, 2017, 03:38:41 PM
So back to talking about football then.

What do people think Mickey will do regarding the starting 15?
Will he return Mattie to MF or will we see him played in the FF line were he seemed to be wasted during some league games, though the ball into him wasn't great.
Will we ever get to see Mattie, Sludden and Harte as our favourite HF line?
Has young McClure done enough to start at MF

At the start of the year most of ye on here seemed to think Munroe would be the latest u21 to bring into the team but it looks like McGeary might have passed him out. McNabb and Rory Brennan will hopefully be pushing hard for half back places.

No doubt free taking will continue to be a concern but you would imagine we will have enough to beat the Derry wans sor unless Brolly kicks up some scandal about us first.  >:(

Munroe wasn't an u 21 do you mean burns?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on April 26, 2017, 04:56:12 PM
1. Mickey O'Neill
2. Hampsey
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. Justin
7. McNabb
8. Colm
9. Donnelly
10. Harte
11. Sludden
12. McGeary
13. Bradly
14. Sean
15. McCurry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 26, 2017, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on April 26, 2017, 04:56:12 PM
1. Mickey O'Neill
2. Hampsey
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. Justin
7. McNabb
8. Colm
9. Donnelly
10. Harte
11. Sludden
12. McGeary
13. Bradly
14. Sean
15. McCurry

That's probably not far off. I wouldn't be a fan of McNabb though and would have Meyler or Monroe on there instead. Mickey seems to be a fan though! I'd expect DD Mulgrew to play a part and the big question has to be whether we'll see Lee Brennan or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on April 26, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
Heard today that our clubman Jonny munroe has left the county scene. I haven't heard the reasoning behind this but doesn't bode well for Harte with the Ulster championship only around the corner and players leaving the panel. Massive bonus for Carrickmore this year tho!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on April 26, 2017, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on April 26, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
Heard today that our clubman Jonny munroe has left the county scene. I haven't heard the reasoning behind this but doesn't bode well for Harte with the Ulster championship only around the corner and players leaving the panel. Massive bonus for Carrickmore this year tho!!


Great player dont like to hear of anyone leaving panel.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 26, 2017, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on April 26, 2017, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on April 26, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
Heard today that our clubman Jonny munroe has left the county scene. I haven't heard the reasoning behind this but doesn't bode well for Harte with the Ulster championship only around the corner and players leaving the panel. Massive bonus for Carrickmore this year tho!!


Great player dont like to hear of anyone leaving panel.....

In 12 months time someone on here will say that Jonny Munroe is better than some of the lads on the county panel. Some genius (you know who you are !!), will say, "no he's not, sure didn't he get loads of chances and he wasn't good enough"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 06:57:45 PM
This is nothing short of a disgrace that another young player has turned his back on Tyrone all because of that individual.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on April 26, 2017, 07:51:26 PM
I'd appreciate an option to ignore the schizophrenic clown on here but I'll just have to use my discretion instead.

On Munroe, that does seem a bit of a surprise, he seemed to get plenty of game time early on in the year but was out of the picture towards the end of the league. We do seem to have plenty of options here anyway but I thought he has equipped himself fairly well when called upon.

Any word on how Richie Donnelly is doing, has he been in action with Trillick yet or is he likely gone for the year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on April 26, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
Disappointed if true about Munroe. Thought he had a good impact last season thought he would have kicked on again this year. I don't think Donnelly has featured for trillick yet though open to correction on that one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 26, 2017, 08:18:18 PM
Quote from: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 06:57:45 PM
This is nothing short of a disgrace that another young player has turned his back on Tyrone all because of that individual.

What are you basing your verdict on here?? AGAIN we get your point, but at least try and contribute to the thread rather than repeat the same thing over an over. Could be many different reasons why any individual would leave a panel, not that we know its been confirmed yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 26, 2017, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 26, 2017, 07:51:26 PM
I'd appreciate an option to ignore the schizophrenic clown on here but I'll just have to use my discretion instead.

On Munroe, that does seem a bit of a surprise, he seemed to get plenty of game time early on in the year but was out of the picture towards the end of the league. We do seem to have plenty of options here anyway but I thought he has equipped himself fairly well when called upon.

Any word on how Richie Donnelly is doing, has he been in action with Trillick yet or is he likely gone for the year?
Maybe falling behind Aidan McCrory, not because of footballing ability or performances, in the pecking order was to much to take.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 26, 2017, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 26, 2017, 07:51:26 PM
I'd appreciate an option to ignore the schizophrenic clown on here but I'll just have to use my discretion instead.

On Munroe, that does seem a bit of a surprise, he seemed to get plenty of game time early on in the year but was out of the picture towards the end of the league. We do seem to have plenty of options here anyway but I thought he has equipped himself fairly well when called upon.

Any word on how Richie Donnelly is doing, has he been in action with Trillick yet or is he likely gone for the year?

Richard Donnelly if wise would stay away from this pantomime. Tick tock tick tock tick tock won't be long now!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 27, 2017, 06:45:34 AM
lads pray for peace in our wee county. any odds on another carrickmore man being called up before the championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on April 27, 2017, 07:45:42 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 27, 2017, 06:45:34 AM
lads pray for peace in our wee county. any odds on another carrickmore man being called up before the championship?
There would be shorter odds on him being replaced by an errigal player! ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 11:57:04 AM
Disappointing to hear about Munroe (If it's true) but maybe the young lad just thought there is a lot of competition for where he plays and with McGeary and Burns now maybe ahead of him he thought he would be better of playing club football for a year or two first, in the way Sludden & Mattie did.

Do people see young Mulgrew ahead of Lee Brennan now at this stage?
Are Tyrone favourites for Ulster this year again or what way are the odds?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on April 27, 2017, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 11:57:04 AM
Disappointing to hear about Munroe (If it's true) but maybe the young lad just thought there is a lot of competition for where he plays and with McGeary and Burns now maybe ahead of him he thought he would be better of playing club football for a year or two first, in the way Sludden & Mattie did.

Do people see young Mulgrew ahead of Lee Brennan now at this stage?
Are Tyrone favourites for Ulster this year again or what way are the odds?


Tyrone         11/8
Donegal       4/1
Monaghan    11/2
Cavan          8/1
Armagh        12/1
Derry           20/1
Down           22/1
Fermanagh   66/1
Antrim         150/1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 27, 2017, 12:38:41 PM
Quote from: toby47 on April 27, 2017, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 27, 2017, 11:57:04 AM
Disappointing to hear about Munroe (If it's true) but maybe the young lad just thought there is a lot of competition for where he plays and with McGeary and Burns now maybe ahead of him he thought he would be better of playing club football for a year or two first, in the way Sludden & Mattie did.

Do people see young Mulgrew ahead of Lee Brennan now at this stage?
Are Tyrone favourites for Ulster this year again or what way are the odds?


Tyrone         11/8
Donegal       4/1
Monaghan    11/2
Cavan          8/1
Armagh        12/1
Derry           20/1
Down           22/1
Fermanagh   66/1
Antrim         150/1

At those odds there'd be great value in putting a score on Donegal and Monaghan!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 27, 2017, 01:05:15 PM
Think those were the odds before the league? Currently Tyrone 13/8 Donegal 3/1 Mon 9/2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on April 27, 2017, 03:50:05 PM
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2016/12/ulster-championship-2017-dates-venues/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on April 28, 2017, 12:44:55 PM
Any truth if Munroe has left the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 28, 2017, 05:08:23 PM
Apparently Mickey is doing one to one with the players . Maybe someone should tell Adolf the players need an inspirational game plan. Not a physciatric evaluation lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on April 29, 2017, 12:51:40 PM
Quote from: macca123 on April 28, 2017, 12:44:55 PM
Any truth if Munroe has left the panel?
Yea he has!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: teaminamillion on April 29, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
Congratulations to our three time All Ireland winning manager who has received a doctorate from the open university! On the pitch things might be dire for Tyrone (this last 8 years) but off the pitch celebrity Harte rolls on... Say cheese Mickey!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on May 01, 2017, 09:35:36 PM
disappointing about monroe, had a real edge and composure to his play anytime I seen him, the hit on mcglynn in last years ulster final was fantastic, but on the other hand it shows his desire to his club and not wanting to hang around the fringes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 02, 2017, 09:44:14 AM
Will this tempt other players to do the same?

I had heard a couple of other names (hadn't herard about Munroe until he walked) considering departing but they obviously haven't yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on May 02, 2017, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on May 01, 2017, 09:35:36 PM
disappointing about monroe, had a real edge and composure to his play anytime I seen him, the hit on mcglynn in last years ulster final was fantastic, but on the other hand it shows his desire to his club and not wanting to hang around the fringes

Thought he would have been a starter this year given what he brought to the team. Has he left due to work commitments or travel? Or due to lack of playing time?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 02, 2017, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 02, 2017, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on May 01, 2017, 09:35:36 PM
disappointing about monroe, had a real edge and composure to his play anytime I seen him, the hit on mcglynn in last years ulster final was fantastic, but on the other hand it shows his desire to his club and not wanting to hang around the fringes

Thought he would have been a starter this year given what he brought to the team. Has he left due to work commitments or travel? Or due to lack of playing time?

Strange one this year with Munroe. He started every McKenna cup game and played well up until the Final when i understand he was away on a skiing holiday. He then started the first league game v Roscommon and while he had a quieter game (understandable for a man just back from holiday) he scored a point and I wouldn't say he performed badly, although he was taken off in the second half . From then on he was very much on the fringes of the side for the remainder of the league, not starting any of the last 6 games.

Looking at the volume of games he started early in the year it looked like he was being groomed to play a big part this summer. Then something seemed to switch after the Roscommon game - we can only speculate but was management not happy with him going on holiday during the season, or with his condition when he returned? Regardless, I think everyone on here would agree that he has got twice the footballing ability of Aiden McCrory, is also a solid defender and adds a bit of steel to our side. So I would imagine the chances that McCrory continues to get at the expense of the likes of Munroe, Burns, Hugh Pat would not go do well with the lads concerned
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 02, 2017, 01:38:58 PM
Monroe went to Harte and asked him would he get playing for Tyrone again this year. Mickey told him 'maybe'. Fair play to Monroe for gettin out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 02, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
Heard he went to Carlton House during a players meeting he Questioned why Mickey had questioned him and not others got up and walked out packed his bags and left the Hotel there and then!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 02, 2017, 02:41:28 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 02, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
Heard he went to Carlton House during a players meeting he Questioned why Mickey had questioned him and not others got up and walked out packed his bags and left the Hotel there and then!!!

He questioned why Mickey had questioned him? Sounds reliable alright..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 02, 2017, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 02, 2017, 02:41:28 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 02, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
Heard he went to Carlton House during a players meeting he Questioned why Mickey had questioned him and not others got up and walked out packed his bags and left the Hotel there and then!!!

He questioned why Mickey had questioned him? Sounds reliable alright..

Yeah they where doing video analysis... only going by what i heard....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 02, 2017, 04:35:52 PM
Would Munroe senior (his dad) be a fan of Harte I wonder or is there anti Errigal Ciaran feelings there?
You would imagine it won't be the last we'll see of young Jonathon.

I was thinking about the season ahead and was trying to remember when was the last time Tyrone lost an Ulster final. 2005 we drew with Armagh and they won the controversial replay but you have to go back a good while before we lost one before that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on May 02, 2017, 04:56:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 02, 2017, 04:35:52 PM
Would Munroe senior (his dad) be a fan of Harte I wonder or is there anti Errigal Ciaran feelings there?
You would imagine it won't be the last we'll see of young Jonathon.

I was thinking about the season ahead and was trying to remember when was the last time Tyrone lost an Ulster final. 2005 we drew with Armagh and they won the controversial replay but you have to go back a good while before we lost one before that.

Down 1994
Monaghan 1988
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 02, 2017, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 02, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
Heard he went to Carlton House during a players meeting he Questioned why Mickey had questioned him and not others got up and walked out packed his bags and left the Hotel there and then!!!

Absolute dung
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 02, 2017, 05:00:19 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 02, 2017, 04:58:59 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 02, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
Heard he went to Carlton House during a players meeting he Questioned why Mickey had questioned him and not others got up and walked out packed his bags and left the Hotel there and then!!!

Absolute dung

Hope so...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 02, 2017, 07:24:56 PM
harte should be ashamed of himself the way he is treating the players and the people of tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 02, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 02, 2017, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on May 02, 2017, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on May 01, 2017, 09:35:36 PM
disappointing about monroe, had a real edge and composure to his play anytime I seen him, the hit on mcglynn in last years ulster final was fantastic, but on the other hand it shows his desire to his club and not wanting to hang around the fringes

Thought he would have been a starter this year given what he brought to the team. Has he left due to work commitments or travel? Or due to lack of playing time?

Strange one this year with Munroe. He started every McKenna cup game and played well up until the Final when i understand he was away on a skiing holiday. He then started the first league game v Roscommon and while he had a quieter game (understandable for a man just back from holiday) he scored a point and I wouldn't say he performed badly, although he was taken off in the second half . From then on he was very much on the fringes of the side for the remainder of the league, not starting any of the last 6 games.

Looking at the volume of games he started early in the year it looked like he was being groomed to play a big part this summer. Then something seemed to switch after the Roscommon game - we can only speculate but was management not happy with him going on holiday during the season, or with his condition when he returned? Regardless, I think everyone on here would agree that he has got twice the footballing ability of Aiden McCrory, is also a solid defender and adds a bit of steel to our side. So I would imagine the chances that McCrory continues to get at the expense of the likes of Munroe, Burns, Hugh Pat would not go do well with the lads concerned

TWICE the footballer ?????????

I think your being EXTREMELY generous to Mc Crory in that Statement. Lad is 10 Times the Footballer. Can any Carmen poster confirm or deny why he left??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 02, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
The lad wants to play football and he's not going to get it sitting on a bench for Tyrone.  Better off playing for his club and keep improving as a player.  The likes of the Brennans and Burns should do the same for the chances of them playing is slim.  If your not in the reckoning by now you won't be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 02, 2017, 11:17:52 PM
Very hasty from Munroe, he may not have been a starter but he was certainly in the picture and it would only take an injury or two for him to move into a starting place. PJ Lavery made a similar decision two years ago when he was getting a lot of action off the bench.

Hope to see Munroe back playing for Tyrone again in the future though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 02, 2017, 11:31:56 PM
monroe like a lot of other lads will be back when mickey is gone. people seem surprised that a player has left the panel? they dont like harte and the current setup and im just surprised monroe is the only one who has walked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 03, 2017, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 02, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
The lad wants to play football and he's not going to get it sitting on a bench for Tyrone.  Better off playing for his club and keep improving as a player.  The likes of the Brennans and Burns should do the same for the chances of them playing is slim.  If your not in the reckoning by now you won't be.

I can understand a lad making a personal choice to want to play for his club rather than training so hard with the county to be maybe 3rd or 4th choice sub. He probably thought after last year's good displays that he could push his way into the starting team this year but maybe he felt he was being punished a bit for taking the skiing holiday as most of us would have expected to see a bit more of him during the league. With Hampsey taking McCrory's place at corner back I would imagine he was annoyed when Mickey started to play McCrory at wing back then.

I don't see it as such a big deal as we have several players of similar ability and I would imagine we'll see him back again in the years ahead.

I also think we'll finally see Lee Brennan get more of a run out this year and probably Mulgrew. Our forwards have been very disappointing the last year with only Bradley showing any reason for us to get excited when he gets the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 03, 2017, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 02, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
The lad wants to play football and he's not going to get it sitting on a bench for Tyrone.  Better off playing for his club and keep improving as a player.  The likes of the Brennans and Burns should do the same for the chances of them playing is slim.  If your not in the reckoning by now you won't be.

That's not really true. He will play in 2/3's of the league games for Carrickmore and the championship. He's already featured in 7 or 8 games for Tyrone this year so it's not as if he hasn't got any time. He played in last years championship as well so there is a fair chance he would have got more time with Tyrone this year. In the last three or four years Killyclogher, Omagh and Trillick have won the championship with a number of tyrone panellists prominent who hadn't featured that much so it didn't do them any harm.

It's a pity he didn't hang about as had did well at times for Tyrone and wasn't afraid to get stuck in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Johnny left as he wasnt enjoying the whole Tyrone set up.  There was no fun in it.  Children get into football because it is something they enjoy doing and continue to play into their adult life as the enjoyment is still there.  Once the enjoyment goes what is the point putting in the effort that is required especially when you playing second fiddle to Aidan McCrory.  He was telling me that club football is were the enjoyment is for him and thats what he wants to play.  He also told me that there is a lot of other young lads that are not enjoying it but afraid / having the balls to to leave.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 03, 2017, 12:35:21 PM
The commitment and sacrifice players have to put into intercounty football nowadays is unreal compared to even 5 or 10 years ago and so if you're not enjoying it then it seems fair enough to opt out.
We have seen in the last few years a load of players from other counties pull out of squads and not want to put the effort in any more.
I was reading about Jack McCaffrey earlier and how he said he was losing interest a bit back in 2015. I think young people nowadays realise that there is more to live than GAA and make choices to take time out for themselves.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
Thanks golden years for clearing that up in a very candid way. A few on here didn't want to hear it but at least a few people are prepared to speak up. Really sad state of affairs how Tyrone football has ended up here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 03, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Johnny left as he wasnt enjoying the whole Tyrone set up.  There was no fun in it.  Children get into football because it is something they enjoy doing and continue to play into their adult life as the enjoyment is still there.  Once the enjoyment goes what is the point putting in the effort that is required especially when you playing second fiddle to Aidan McCrory.  He was telling me that club football is were the enjoyment is for him and thats what he wants to play.  He also told me that there is a lot of other young lads that are not enjoying it but afraid / having the balls to to leave.

If he wasn't enjoying it fair enough. It's a lot of commitment for someone to give. Do find it bit strange to put in all the hard effort from last November to leave before the championship which you would imagine is the most enjoyable time to be involved.

Don't think there is any need for the constant abuse of Aidan McCrory on here. I probably wouldn't start him if I was picking the team and think he's very limited but he is an easy target. He did ok in most of the games he was involved. Other players had worse games in the league (including Munroe in the first half v Roscommon when he got skinned) but don't get half the attention or abuse because people have their minds made up on who should be on. Half the time people on here haven't even seen the Tyrone games that they are giving their opinion on. McRory also got a goal v Dublin which no other player managed in the league up until the Kerry game and works hard for the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on May 03, 2017, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 03, 2017, 12:35:21 PM
The commitment and sacrifice players have to put into intercounty football nowadays is unreal compared to even 5 or 10 years ago and so if you're not enjoying it then it seems fair enough to opt out.
We have seen in the last few years a load of players from other counties pull out of squads and not want to put the effort in any more.
I was reading about Jack McCaffrey earlier and how he said he was losing interest a bit back in 2015. I think young people nowadays realise that there is more to live than GAA and make choices to take time out for themselves.

The first bit of sense on this subject.
Few people on here should realise that there is a life outside Garvaghy and Tyrone county team. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 03, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Johnny left as he wasnt enjoying the whole Tyrone set up.  There was no fun in it.  Children get into football because it is something they enjoy doing and continue to play into their adult life as the enjoyment is still there.  Once the enjoyment goes what is the point putting in the effort that is required especially when you playing second fiddle to Aidan McCrory.  He was telling me that club football is were the enjoyment is for him and thats what he wants to play.  He also told me that there is a lot of other young lads that are not enjoying it but afraid / having the balls to to leave.

If he wasn't enjoying it fair enough. It's a lot of commitment for someone to give. Do find it bit strange to put in all the hard effort from last November to leave before the championship which you would imagine is the most enjoyable time to be involved.

Don't think there is any need for the constant abuse of Aidan McCrory on here. I probably wouldn't start him if I was picking the team and think he's very limited but he is an easy target. He did ok in most of the games he was involved. Other players had worse games in the league (including Munroe in the first half v Roscommon when he got skinned) but don't get half the attention or abuse because people have their minds made up on who should be on. Half the time people on here haven't even seen the Tyrone games that they are giving their opinion on. McRory also got a goal v Dublin which no other player managed in the league up until the Kerry game and works hard for the team.

I know its not Aidan McCrorys fault is on the team but the questions have to be asked why he is?  I personal think it is favouritism towards Errigal.  He is not the first Errigal player that Mickey has shown favoritism to but the difference this time is the surname isnt Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 03, 2017, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 03, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Johnny left as he wasnt enjoying the whole Tyrone set up.  There was no fun in it.  Children get into football because it is something they enjoy doing and continue to play into their adult life as the enjoyment is still there.  Once the enjoyment goes what is the point putting in the effort that is required especially when you playing second fiddle to Aidan McCrory.  He was telling me that club football is were the enjoyment is for him and thats what he wants to play.  He also told me that there is a lot of other young lads that are not enjoying it but afraid / having the balls to to leave.

If he wasn't enjoying it fair enough. It's a lot of commitment for someone to give. Do find it bit strange to put in all the hard effort from last November to leave before the championship which you would imagine is the most enjoyable time to be involved.

Don't think there is any need for the constant abuse of Aidan McCrory on here. I probably wouldn't start him if I was picking the team and think he's very limited but he is an easy target. He did ok in most of the games he was involved. Other players had worse games in the league (including Munroe in the first half v Roscommon when he got skinned) but don't get half the attention or abuse because people have their minds made up on who should be on. Half the time people on here haven't even seen the Tyrone games that they are giving their opinion on. McRory also got a goal v Dublin which no other player managed in the league up until the Kerry game and works hard for the team.

I know its not Aidan McCrorys fault is on the team but the questions have to be asked why he is?  I personal think it is favouritism towards Errigal.  He is not the first Errigal player that Mickey has shown favoritism to but the difference this time is the surname isnt Harte.

Boys I don't understand this McCrory bashing, he is a steady footballer.  It isn't the fault of McCrory that other players seen fit to leave the panel.  He shouldn't be scapegoated because he is picked in a side.  Errigal as a club don't benefit from having an extra player on the county panel so I don't see a reason for bias.  Mickey has a job to win games for Tyrone and if he thinks McCrory is in the best 15 to line out and represent the county.  There may be more talented players on the bench but maybe they don't have the discipline the McCrory offers.  We don't see what happens behind the scenes.  I don't think McCrory has been a burden to the team when picked.

Mickey is potentially in his last year with the county, the decisions he makes this season may decide his future I doubt he would put that in jeopardy just to get another Errigal man in the side or to upset a Carrickmore man.  I remember not so long ago it was said Mickey would never pick Hampsey because of an on field row against Errigal now he's in the first team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 03, 2017, 06:20:43 PM
The stick McCrory gets on here is disgraceful to be honest. He may not be the most flashy of footballers but he's been solid and dependable over the past few years and deserves a bit of respect and appreciation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rawhide on May 03, 2017, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 03, 2017, 06:20:43 PM
The stick McCrory gets on here is disgraceful to be honest. He may not be the most flashy of footballers but he's been solid and dependable over the past few years and deserves a bit of respect and appreciation.

Entirely agree, not much respect being shown to lad who sacrifices his life for Gaa, sure your not Derry men with the amount of back stabbing he gets
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 07:19:44 PM
i dont think anyone has said mc crory is the issue here? the lad is trying his best and is 100% committed and must be thanked for his efforts. the real issue is mickey harte who is in a position where he is supposed to have the best players in the county playing the best football possible and achieving as much as is possible. it just isnt happening and nobody else to blame only mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 03, 2017, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 07:19:44 PM
i dont think anyone has said mc crory is the issue here? the lad is trying his best and is 100% committed and must be thanked for his efforts. the real issue is mickey harte who is in a position where he is supposed to have the best players in the county playing the best football possible and achieving as much as is possible. it just isnt happening and nobody else to blame only mickey.

Ok so what do you want. We where 1 game away from being in a league final. We have a very promising ulster campaignne ahead. We won ulster last year, getting nipped by a point when we should have 1. We won 4 trophys last year, your some balls along with a lot in here. We don't have the potential of Dublin but we are doing well for what we have.

If your issue is with Harte open your eyes you along with another few daisy cutters in here. I think 2017 is very promising. Get over Derry, Donegal and the belief the players will have will be huge and if we retain ulster I think there is bigger fish to fry

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 03, 2017, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 07:19:44 PM
i dont think anyone has said mc crory is the issue here? the lad is trying his best and is 100% committed and must be thanked for his efforts. the real issue is mickey harte who is in a position where he is supposed to have the best players in the county playing the best football possible and achieving as much as is possible. it just isnt happening and nobody else to blame only mickey.

Ok so what do you want. We where 1 game away from being in a league final. We have a very promising ulster campaignne ahead. We won ulster last year, getting nipped by a point when we should have 1. We won 4 trophys last year, your some balls along with a lot in here. We don't have the potential of Dublin but we are doing well for what we have.

If your issue is with Harte open your eyes you along with another few daisy cutters in here. I think 2017 is very promising. Get over Derry, Donegal and the belief the players will have will be huge and if we retain ulster I think there is bigger fish to fry

A lot of ifs and thinking there. If your happy enough losing by a point to Mayo and nearly getting to the league final then fair enough. I thought Tyrone had lost this mentality and wanted to win major trophies. 3 of the trophies you mention are hardly what makes a successful season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 08:09:24 PM
After reading the above post from seannc123 I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 03, 2017, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 03, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Johnny left as he wasnt enjoying the whole Tyrone set up.  There was no fun in it.  Children get into football because it is something they enjoy doing and continue to play into their adult life as the enjoyment is still there.  Once the enjoyment goes what is the point putting in the effort that is required especially when you playing second fiddle to Aidan McCrory.  He was telling me that club football is were the enjoyment is for him and thats what he wants to play.  He also told me that there is a lot of other young lads that are not enjoying it but afraid / having the balls to to leave.

If he wasn't enjoying it fair enough. It's a lot of commitment for someone to give. Do find it bit strange to put in all the hard effort from last November to leave before the championship which you would imagine is the most enjoyable time to be involved.

Don't think there is any need for the constant abuse of Aidan McCrory on here. I probably wouldn't start him if I was picking the team and think he's very limited but he is an easy target. He did ok in most of the games he was involved. Other players had worse games in the league (including Munroe in the first half v Roscommon when he got skinned) but don't get half the attention or abuse because people have their minds made up on who should be on. Half the time people on here haven't even seen the Tyrone games that they are giving their opinion on. McRory also got a goal v Dublin which no other player managed in the league up until the Kerry game and works hard for the team.

I know its not Aidan McCrorys fault is on the team but the questions have to be asked why he is?  I personal think it is favouritism towards Errigal.  He is not the first Errigal player that Mickey has shown favoritism to but the difference this time is the surname isnt Harte.

Jaysus I have heard it all now - Peter and Davy Harte is/was only on the team because Mickey was their uncle?? Petey would make any team in Ireland and Davy was up there with the best half backs in the country around 2008. As for Mark Harte he was one of the best club footballers in the county in that 2003 period and more than justified his place in the squad. Youse lads have lost the plot alogether!!

Anyway any more word on this contract? I see Jim Gavin has signed a new deal I think it would give the county a great boost if Mickey signed his new deal pre championship and everyone knew he was going to be there for another few years at least.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 03, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 03, 2017, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 03, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Johnny left as he wasnt enjoying the whole Tyrone set up.  There was no fun in it.  Children get into football because it is something they enjoy doing and continue to play into their adult life as the enjoyment is still there.  Once the enjoyment goes what is the point putting in the effort that is required especially when you playing second fiddle to Aidan McCrory.  He was telling me that club football is were the enjoyment is for him and thats what he wants to play.  He also told me that there is a lot of other young lads that are not enjoying it but afraid / having the balls to to leave.

If he wasn't enjoying it fair enough. It's a lot of commitment for someone to give. Do find it bit strange to put in all the hard effort from last November to leave before the championship which you would imagine is the most enjoyable time to be involved.

Don't think there is any need for the constant abuse of Aidan McCrory on here. I probably wouldn't start him if I was picking the team and think he's very limited but he is an easy target. He did ok in most of the games he was involved. Other players had worse games in the league (including Munroe in the first half v Roscommon when he got skinned) but don't get half the attention or abuse because people have their minds made up on who should be on. Half the time people on here haven't even seen the Tyrone games that they are giving their opinion on. McRory also got a goal v Dublin which no other player managed in the league up until the Kerry game and works hard for the team.

I know its not Aidan McCrorys fault is on the team but the questions have to be asked why he is?  I personal think it is favouritism towards Errigal.  He is not the first Errigal player that Mickey has shown favoritism to but the difference this time is the surname isnt Harte.

Jaysus I have heard it all now - Peter and Davy Harte is/was only on the team because Mickey was their uncle?? Petey would make any team in Ireland and Davy was up there with the best half backs in the country around 2008. As for Mark Harte he was one of the best club footballers in the county in that 2003 period and more than justified his place in the squad. Youse lads have lost the plot alogether!!

Anyway any more word on this contract? I see Jim Gavin has signed a new deal I think it would give the county a great boost if Mickey signed his new deal pre championship and everyone knew he was going to be there for another few years at least.

Mickeys new deal was brought up at last months countys board meeting...was put on the back burner..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 08:58:59 PM
what new deal? unless harte wins the all ireland this year then he is gone. there never will be another dirty deal done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 03, 2017, 09:18:09 PM
Oh right didnt hear that about it being put on the back burner. Thought it would give players and all fans a big boost pre-championship to have  a new deal signed and sealed. Suppose we will just have to wait to winter now at this stage for him to be confirmed for another while.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 03, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 03, 2017, 09:18:09 PM
Oh right didnt hear that about it being put on the back burner. Thought it would give players and all fans a big boost pre-championship to have  a new deal signed and sealed. Suppose we will just have to wait to winter now at this stage for him to be confirmed for another while.

Seemingly was suggested that would be discussed again after summer...Contract not up to December...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
i think hes really earned another contract so far this year.lol. couple of wind up merchants on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 03, 2017, 09:36:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
i think hes really earned another contract so far this year.lol. couple of wind up merchants on here.

Good point there STG i agree with you i think he has done enough already this year too. McKenna Cup, retaining Division 1 status and hopefully a win in Celtic Park and either an Ulster title or a good run in the qualifiers and he'll have more than earned his extension.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2017, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
i think hes really earned another contract so far this year.lol. couple of wind up merchants on here.

Genuine question - do the likes of the above fella genuinely feel that Tyrone have by far the best panel of players in Ireland, to the extent that anything less than an AI victory is deemed an abject failure? What would be a successful season?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:21:51 PM
at the minute a successfull season would be one in which the players enjoyed playing and the fans enjoyed watching. forget about all irelands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 03, 2017, 10:32:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:21:51 PM
at the minute a successfull season would be one in which the players enjoyed playing and the fans enjoyed watching. forget about all irelands.

Footballers and managers are not there to entertain, they're there to win.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
win what? mc kenna cups?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2017, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:21:51 PM
at the minute a successfull season would be one in which the players enjoyed playing and the fans enjoyed watching. forget about all irelands.

Come on, stop being wishy washy. What would be successful? Ulster champions again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:49:24 PM
woulnt worry too much about ulster. if we beat one of the big 3 in croke park i could say we have made progress of sorts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2017, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:49:24 PM
woulnt worry too much about ulster. if we beat one of the big 3 in croke park i could say we have made progress of sorts.

Fair enough. That definitely needs to be the next target, id actually agree with you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 11:22:21 PM
can it be done playing the way we do now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2017, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 11:22:21 PM
can it be done playing the way we do now?

Not the way we played in the last few league games but last year I genuinely thought we had developed a balance between attack and defence in the early stages of the championship but we didn't bring that to the bigger games and seemingly have not evolved the attacking aspect of the game plan this year as I was expecting. However, we were only a kick if the ball from an AI final.

The question is can it be done playing an attacking style? I don't think we have the scoring forwards for a gun fight v Kerry or Dublin.

Are we happy to forsake a game plan that has kept us reasonably competitive relative to other big counties to go against the grain, come up with a different style, risk a few years in the wilderness and hope that we make it back?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 12:00:19 AM
dont forget we only played well against the div 2 teams last year. we stuggled  last year and this year against the better teams which shows the limitations of our gameplan. and why would we not be able to go toe to toe with the other big counties?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
win what? mc kenna cups?

My little friend, Mickey will be there next year weather you like it or not ;)

Matter of interest are you involved with your club or have you played football at a high level ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 04, 2017, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
win what? mc kenna cups?

My little friend, Mickey will be there next year weather you like it or not ;)

Matter of interest are you involved with your club or have you played football at a high level ?

IMO there is not many on here that are involved with their club or even played for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 04, 2017, 09:31:31 AM
I think a good summer for Tyrone perhaps All Ireland Semi final...with a wee bit more attacking brand off football...not gung ho attack as i dont think we have the players...will get Mickey another year at the helm....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inowbest on May 04, 2017, 09:34:53 AM
I think its very important that the personal attacks on players stop on this forum. If you have a gripe with Mickey then that's fine, he's the manager, he has put himself in the position for that kind of publicity. But to constantly name Aidan McCrory here in such a negative manner is wrong. Aidan is training as hard as any of the rest of the players it is not his fault that Mickey is picking him. You will not get as hard a worker for club and county so it is only fair to him and his friends and family that his name not be dragged through the mud as the reason for boys quitting the panel.End of rant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 04, 2017, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
win what? mc kenna cups?

My little friend, Mickey will be there next year weather you like it or not ;)

Matter of interest are you involved with your club or have you played football at a high level ?



IMO there is not many on here that are involved with their club or even played for them.

Yeah I know and bigger the fools we are responding and giving them idiots air time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 04, 2017, 10:03:34 AM
Quote from: inowbest on May 04, 2017, 09:34:53 AM
I think its very important that the personal attacks on players stop on this forum. If you have a gripe with Mickey then that's fine, he's the manager, he has put himself in the position for that kind of publicity. But to constantly name Aidan McCrory here in such a negative manner is wrong. Aidan is training as hard as any of the rest of the players it is not his fault that Mickey is picking him. You will not get as hard a worker for club and county so it is only fair to him and his friends and family that his name not be dragged through the mud as the reason for boys quitting the panel.End of rant

Well said...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 04, 2017, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 04, 2017, 10:03:34 AM
Quote from: inowbest on May 04, 2017, 09:34:53 AM
I think its very important that the personal attacks on players stop on this forum. If you have a gripe with Mickey then that's fine, he's the manager, he has put himself in the position for that kind of publicity. But to constantly name Aidan McCrory here in such a negative manner is wrong. Aidan is training as hard as any of the rest of the players it is not his fault that Mickey is picking him. You will not get as hard a worker for club and county so it is only fair to him and his friends and family that his name not be dragged through the mud as the reason for boys quitting the panel.End of rant

Well said...

Agree with this whilst McCrory is not my favourite player he does whatever is asked off him. He would have give me a good roasting in my day I'd say and I would say the majority on talking here wouldn't have got a kick either!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on May 04, 2017, 10:48:58 AM
Have to agree with the majority of the recent posts here, the players are't the problem with the Tyrone county team at the minute its the team structure, style of play and the negative attitude filtering down into the young fella's mindsets. Need to let our good skillful bunch of lads we currently have develop naturally and not constantly restrict there natural ability. For example why in the league did we have small forwards going up to collect short kick-outs from the keeper and getting mauled before they hit the opponents 45m line. Don't remember Mugsey or wee Peter having to play this way.I can see another frustrating year coming up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 04, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 04, 2017, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
win what? mc kenna cups?

My little friend, Mickey will be there next year weather you like it or not ;)

Matter of interest are you involved with your club or have you played football at a high level ?



IMO there is not many on here that are involved with their club or even played for them.

Yeah I know and bigger the fools we are responding and giving them idiots air time
Sean have you ever played football at any decent level?
You always seem able to criticise everyone who doesn't agree with you on here. Don't seem like much of a team player to me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
So people who haven't played football at a high level don't know football? I happen to know men who never kicked a ball but their football knowledge is second to none. I'm one of them.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
So people who haven't played football at a high level don't know football? I happen to know men who never kicked a ball but their football knowledge is second to none. I'm one of them.lol

I haven't met 1 I'm afraid. You a slabber that hides behind a board with no balls, talking about players and managers

If some man found out who you where i would say you would be in for a right beating
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: In hiding on May 04, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 04, 2017, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
win what? mc kenna cups?

My little friend, Mickey will be there next year weather you like it or not ;)

Matter of interest are you involved with your club or have you played football at a high level ?





IMO there is not many on here that are involved with their club or even played for them.
Have i ? I have yes, im 38 years of age now and i played senior championship with my club and have 1 senior championship medal, does that answer your question ?


Yeah I know and bigger the fools we are responding and giving them idiots air time
Sean have you ever played football at any decent level?
You always seem able to criticise everyone who doesn't agree with you on here. Don't seem like much of a team player to me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 11:54:24 AM
I don't criticize everyone on here, all i am saying if you haven't played before how would you know how the game is being played or was played.

Come on, im on here a lot and all i see is people complaining and giving out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 04, 2017, 12:10:15 PM
I would be very surprised if Mickey isn't back for another year. Looking forward to getting the championship under way. The ACL League is ok but has been a bit of a damp squib to date.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 04, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 04, 2017, 12:10:15 PM
I would be very surprised if Mickey isn't back for another year. Looking forward to getting the championship under way. The ACL League is ok but has been a bit of a damp squib to date.

From what I hear support on the County Committee is very much split.  They already rejected his request for an extension so I wouldn't be so sure if this campaign is unsuccessful that Mickey would be automatically ratified.  I have read on this forum that his relationship with our county chairperson wouldn't be great so if that's the case would Mickey have her support and the support of the County Board.

I love the ACL already looking forward to this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 04, 2017, 12:59:59 PM
I certainly don't feel as optimistic about the year as I did this time last year.
I think both Donegal and Monaghan have improved in their attacking style of play and have players who can take good scores now from all over the field. We seem to be lacking in forwards such as McBrearty, Murphy or McManus and Jack McCarron.
We seem to rely too much on players who work hard for the team but don't have that little bit of magic that our forwards used to have years ago. Mark Bradley is the only forward currently on show who I get excited about when he has the ball. Maybe Sludden but again he's more than workhorse type of player.

I will be very surprised if Mickey is offered a new term at the end of this year but I think he deserves our support until we get to that stage. What is the process if he's not offered a new deal. Can he put his name forward for it again if he wants to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 04, 2017, 01:22:53 PM
Seanmc and Southtyronegael are like the DUP and SF, both think they are right and unlikely to agree on anything!!!!! Tyrone are probably in the middle of these extreme opinions, not as good as the positive people say they are and not as bad as the negative people say.

I agree that a number one goal for the year ahead would be to beat Mayo Dublin or Kerry in Croke Park. An Ulster title will be hard earned too if Derry Donegal and Monaghan is the path, certainly much harder than any other province.........6/4 in the bookies is terrible value!

Don't know who would be next in line to manage Tyrone but they are going to have a very difficult job. I guess it would reawaken interest in a lot of people to see how they get on but I don't think they would do any better in terms of results.......possibly improve style of play but I cant see us adding a 4th Sam anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
So people who haven't played football at a high level don't know football? I happen to know men who never kicked a ball but their football knowledge is second to none. I'm one of them.lol

I haven't met 1 I'm afraid. You a slabber that hides behind a board with no balls, talking about players and managers

If some man found out who you where i would say you would be in for a right beating
if you'd any balls you'd come and do it yourself. Il see you at the next Tyrone game sure. Youl be the middle aged man gettin Harte to sign your jersey. Should be easy to spot.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 04, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
Tally and Tony Donnelly would be my management team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 04, 2017, 02:30:15 PM
Here's the latest scoring charts in Division 1 so far...

Lee Brennan [Trillick] 3-31 [40]

Johnny Lafferty [Urney] 2-17 [23]

Mark Bradley [Killyclogher] 0-19 [19]

Mark Carson [Greencastle] 0-18 [18]

Declan McClure [Clonoe] 0-17 [17]

Warner Mullan [Strabane] 0-16 [16]

Ronan McNabb Jun [Dromore] 2-10 [16]

Kieran McGeary [Pomeroy] 0-15 [15]

Davy Harte [Errigal Ciaran] 1-12 [15]

http://teamtalkmag.com/2017/05/lee-breaks-forty-point-barrier/

That's some scoring by Lee. Johnny Lafferty has had some start to division 1 football, always thought i'd have liked to have seen more of him in a Tyrone jersey. Does Decy McClure hit frees for Clonoe? That's some return (if Dan McNulty is hitting frees).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 04, 2017, 02:54:45 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 11:54:24 AM
I don't criticize everyone on here, all i am saying if you haven't played before how would you know how the game is being played or was played.

Come on, im on here a lot and all i see is people complaining and giving out.

What club are you from Sean and did you play at senior level for them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 04, 2017, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 04, 2017, 02:30:15 PM
Here's the latest scoring charts in Division 1 so far...

Lee Brennan [Trillick] 3-31 [40]

Johnny Lafferty [Urney] 2-17 [23]

Mark Bradley [Killyclogher] 0-19 [19]

Mark Carson [Greencastle] 0-18 [18]

Declan McClure [Clonoe] 0-17 [17]

Warner Mullan [Strabane] 0-16 [16]

Ronan McNabb Jun [Dromore] 2-10 [16]

Kieran McGeary [Pomeroy] 0-15 [15]

Davy Harte [Errigal Ciaran] 1-12 [15]

http://teamtalkmag.com/2017/05/lee-breaks-forty-point-barrier/

That's some scoring by Lee. Johnny Lafferty has had some start to division 1 football, always thought i'd have liked to have seen more of him in a Tyrone jersey. Does Decy McClure hit frees for Clonoe? That's some return (if Dan McNulty is hitting frees).

Lafferty is one who has all the attributes to be very successful but is another that wasn't given a fair crack. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 04, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 04, 2017, 02:30:15 PM
Here's the latest scoring charts in Division 1 so far...

Lee Brennan [Trillick] 3-31 [40]

Johnny Lafferty [Urney] 2-17 [23]

Mark Bradley [Killyclogher] 0-19 [19]

Mark Carson [Greencastle] 0-18 [18]

Declan McClure [Clonoe] 0-17 [17]

Warner Mullan [Strabane] 0-16 [16]

Ronan McNabb Jun [Dromore] 2-10 [16]

Kieran McGeary [Pomeroy] 0-15 [15]

Davy Harte [Errigal Ciaran] 1-12 [15]

http://teamtalkmag.com/2017/05/lee-breaks-forty-point-barrier/

That's some scoring by Lee. Johnny Lafferty has had some start to division 1 football, always thought i'd have liked to have seen more of him in a Tyrone jersey. Does Decy McClure hit frees for Clonoe? That's some return (if Dan McNulty is hitting frees).

Considering we only scored 1-5 first day out dont think Declan scored.... He took all frees against Greencastle none at all against Killyclogher and 2/3 against Stabane... Would say in last 3 game he scored 11 for frees 6 from play from Midfield...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 04, 2017, 03:55:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 04, 2017, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
So people who haven't played football at a high level don't know football? I happen to know men who never kicked a ball but their football knowledge is second to none. I'm one of them.lol

I haven't met 1 I'm afraid. You a slabber that hides behind a board with no balls, talking about players and managers

If some man found out who you where i would say you would be in for a right beating
if you'd any balls you'd come and do it yourself. Il see you at the next Tyrone game sure. Youl be the middle aged man gettin Harte to sign your jersey. Should be easy to spot.lol

You take it far too far ye clown. People have a bit of craic down the pub with their mates but weigh in behind the team. at the end of the day harte and mc crory are tyrone men with one goal and that shouldn't be forgotten.

I don't think you understand that as you aren't from tyrone.

Whether or not he gets another term I don't know. I think he would have to at least win a semi final or something butI am not gonna aim personal bile and hate at him on here and embarrass myself

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 04, 2017, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 04, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
Tally and Tony Donnelly would be my management team.

Tally had St Mary's play with 14 men inside their own 45

No different to what's currently annoying half the County
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 04, 2017, 10:00:18 PM
Limited resources but
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 10:45:56 PM
how can a few poster on here be so confident harte will get an extension? will it not be the clubs delegates that will ultimately decide his fate and by what ive heard round the clubs this last few weeks hes not flavour of the month.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 05, 2017, 12:13:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 10:45:56 PM
how can a few poster on here be so confident harte will get an extension? will it not be the clubs delegates that will ultimately decide his fate and by what ive heard round the clubs this last few weeks hes not flavour of the month.

From what you've heard round the clubs, jesus oh he must chat this dung in real life when hes standing in the stands watching whatever fermanagh/derry club he supports. god help anyone near him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on May 05, 2017, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 04, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
Tally and Tony Donnelly would be my management team.

Jesus wept! Do you honestly think Tony Donnelly would take instruction from Paddy Tally?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 05, 2017, 07:58:19 AM
The u17s play tomorrow in the ulster championship. Who would the main players be for Tyrone? We've already won the league so should be strong enough but Donegal usually good at underage these days and got to the league final. Very little talk of the competition for the early stages anyway. Unfortunate for the lads who weren't good enough for the minors this year and won't get a chance under the new system next year. I know this competition is there for that reason but as I say its a low key enough start to it.

There was a lot of talk on here about clubs not seeing their underage players all year with the u17s and minors being run. There has been 8 games played in the minor clubs leagues to date and they seem to have run well this year with regular games. The county players from what I've seen have played in most if not at all. This included the u17s playing minor league games this week a few days before the ulster championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 05, 2017, 08:46:56 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 05, 2017, 12:13:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 04, 2017, 10:45:56 PM
how can a few poster on here be so confident harte will get an extension? will it not be the clubs delegates that will ultimately decide his fate and by what ive heard round the clubs this last few weeks hes not flavour of the month.

From what you've heard round the clubs, jesus oh he must chat this dung in real life when hes standing in the stands watching whatever fermanagh/derry club he supports. god help anyone near him
you obviously go to games with your eyes and ears closed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 05, 2017, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on May 05, 2017, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 04, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
Tally and Tony Donnelly would be my management team.

Jesus wept! Do you honestly think Tony Donnelly would take instruction from Paddy Tally?
Be gone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 05, 2017, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 05, 2017, 07:58:19 AM
The u17s play tomorrow in the ulster championship. Who would the main players be for Tyrone? We've already won the league so should be strong enough but Donegal usually good at underage these days and got to the league final. Very little talk of the competition for the early stages anyway. Unfortunate for the lads who weren't good enough for the minors this year and won't get a chance under the new system next year. I know this competition is there for that reason but as I say its a low key enough start to it.

There was a lot of talk on here about clubs not seeing their underage players all year with the u17s and minors being run. There has been 8 games played in the minor clubs leagues to date and they seem to have run well this year with regular games. The county players from what I've seen have played in most if not at all. This included the u17s playing minor league games this week a few days before the ulster championship.
Heard somewhere the Under 17s have still 5 or 6 players to join from the Minor panel, including Darragh Canavan. Also heard something similar about Donegal so the league final result won't count for much but I would have hopes for Tyrone to advance and do well in this competition if they can get over Donegal.
Minor League has been run extremely smoothly, a game each week and all players made available. Only issue would be Tyrone still have players Monday, Thursdays and Saturdays and with a game another night of the week there is no time for training with these players but in terms of fixtures it has been well laid out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 05, 2017, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 05, 2017, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 05, 2017, 07:58:19 AM
The u17s play tomorrow in the ulster championship. Who would the main players be for Tyrone? We've already won the league so should be strong enough but Donegal usually good at underage these days and got to the league final. Very little talk of the competition for the early stages anyway. Unfortunate for the lads who weren't good enough for the minors this year and won't get a chance under the new system next year. I know this competition is there for that reason but as I say its a low key enough start to it.

There was a lot of talk on here about clubs not seeing their underage players all year with the u17s and minors being run. There has been 8 games played in the minor clubs leagues to date and they seem to have run well this year with regular games. The county players from what I've seen have played in most if not at all. This included the u17s playing minor league games this week a few days before the ulster championship.
Heard somewhere the Under 17s have still 5 or 6 players to join from the Minor panel, including Darragh Canavan. Also heard something similar about Donegal so the league final result won't count for much but I would have hopes for Tyrone to advance and do well in this competition if they can get over Donegal.
Minor League has been run extremely smoothly, a game each week and all players made available. Only issue would be Tyrone still have players Monday, Thursdays and Saturdays and with a game another night of the week there is no time for training with these players but in terms of fixtures it has been well laid out.

Thought it deserved mentioned about the minor leagues to provide bit of balance given the talk that clubs wouldn't have the players at all.

Wasn't sure if the u17s involved with the minors would play or not. Wasn't sure if you could play both but can't see why they couldn't. No sign of a team or squad to see if likes of canavan involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 05, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
Just see on Tyrone website that canavan is in the panel. Recognise couple of other names from the st ciarans team that got to the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on May 05, 2017, 05:18:39 PM
Tyrone have a very strong u17 team this year, two Galbally lads quinn at full back and cormac donnelly at midfield, Daniel Millar is one to watch for, Caolan Slevin,Tomas Hoy, Anton Fox and Canavan would be others to look out for, a very strong team who will take some stopping I imagine
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 05, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
Underage is funny though, have saw plenty of fancied teams knocked out in the first round over the years. If I remember correct I was very impressed with Daniel millar for ballygawley in the all Ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 06, 2017, 02:18:26 PM
I see hypocrite Harte on the back page of Irish news today sayin he doesn't want to interfere with Tyrone club games!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 06, 2017, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 06, 2017, 02:18:26 PM
I see hypocrite Harte on the back page of Irish news today sayin he doesn't want to interfere with Tyrone club games!

Fair play to him. Plenty of county managers throughout the country more or less run the club fixtures. Glad Harte isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ctrallying on May 06, 2017, 02:54:11 PM
Has anyone manged to purchase tickets  for the covered stand at Celtic park,i can only find terrace tickets online.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 06, 2017, 03:17:34 PM
Canavan lived up to the hype earlier on for the U17s. A joy to watch despite the defensive systems.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 06, 2017, 04:16:56 PM
What did you make of David Millar from Killeshil? Hearing that he's one to watch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 06, 2017, 05:35:03 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 06, 2017, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 06, 2017, 02:18:26 PM
I see hypocrite Harte on the back page of Irish news today sayin he doesn't want to interfere with Tyrone club games!

Fair play to him. Plenty of county managers throughout the country more or less run the club fixtures. Glad Harte isn't one of them.
jeez I'm nearly sure Harte played havoc with club fixtures a fortnight ago.shame on the Irish news for giving this spoofer a platform.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 06, 2017, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 06, 2017, 04:16:56 PM
What did you make of David Millar from Killeshil? Hearing that he's one to watch.
Was good as well. Took his two goal chances brilliantly but it was Canavan who was star of the show.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 07, 2017, 03:17:36 AM
3 weeks away from Derry now.

Think I'd go with the following side:

1. Morgan
2. Hampsey
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McNabb
6. R Brennan
7. McCann
8. C Cavanagh
9. M Donnelly
10. K McGeary
11. Sludden
12. P Harte
13. Bradley
14. S Cavanagh
15. L Brennan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 07, 2017, 09:30:52 AM
Yeah I would also go for that 15, although would have Rory Brennan wing back. I might consider McClure at MF and Mattie CHF.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 07, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 07, 2017, 03:17:36 AM
3 weeks away from Derry now.

Think I'd go with the following side:

1. Morgan
2. Hampsey
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McNabb
6. R Brennan
7. McCann
8. C Cavanagh
9. M Donnelly
10. K McGeary
11. Sludden
12. P Harte
13. Bradley
14. S Cavanagh
15. L Brennan

McNabb would be way down my pecking order. Just think he is far too slow in possession and his decision making and discipline in the tackle is a bit suspect. I'd be looking at Meyler either in a straight swap or move McGeary back and Meyler in at 10. Alternatively, Burns at 6 and Brennan at 5. Otherwise it's pretty much what I would pick too, but I expect Mulgrew to play a part.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 07, 2017, 10:24:14 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 07, 2017, 09:30:52 AM
Yeah I would also go for that 15, although would have Rory Brennan wing back. I might consider McClure at MF and Mattie CHF.

Mattie is being shunted around too much and at this stage and it's really impacted on his form in the league so far. He's played half back, midfield, half forward and full forward already. He has 2 All Stars at midfield and I think we should keep him there.

Harte likes a surprise or too and I could see Harry Loughran perhaps be a suprise inclusion. The biggest uncertainty we have is at 6. Justy, Brennan, McNabb and Burns are the obvious candidates but we've been very unsettled there.

Have we many injury doubts. Has McNamee returned for Aghyaran of late?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 07, 2017, 10:28:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 07, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 07, 2017, 03:17:36 AM
3 weeks away from Derry now.

Think I'd go with the following side:

1. Morgan
2. Hampsey
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McNabb
6. R Brennan
7. McCann
8. C Cavanagh
9. M Donnelly
10. K McGeary
11. Sludden
12. P Harte
13. Bradley
14. S Cavanagh
15. L Brennan

McNabb would be way down my pecking order. Just think he is far too slow in possession and his decision making and discipline in the tackle is a bit suspect. I'd be looking at Meyler either in a straight swap or move McGeary back and Meyler in at 10. Alternatively, Burns at 6 and Brennan at 5. Otherwise it's pretty much what I would pick too, but I expect Mulgrew to play a part.

McNabb would be one of the players under the most pressure but he was only coming back of an ACL last year and I think he is defensively the most accomplished of our half backs. Hopefully he can get his levels back to 2015 where he was unlucky not to get an All Star IMO.

I think Meyler's impact might be greater off the bench where he can bring his energy into the game when we might need a boost. I'm intrigued at the prospect of Mulgrew, looked to be the main man for the u21s this year and has filled out physically from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 07, 2017, 11:12:32 AM
Where's the talk of burns at 6 come from? Doesn't play there for club and hasn't played there for the county at underage. I do think he should be higher up the pecking order than what he appears to be though.

And there is always a surprise inclusion with Harte in the first round. I wouldn't be shocked to see McShane or McNulty involved and I'd say Aidan McCrory will most likely start as well. I do like the look of the team posted previously there though I think with the few injuries we are lacking a bit of impact of the bench in terms of a game changer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 07, 2017, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 07, 2017, 11:12:32 AM
Where's the talk of burns at 6 come from? Doesn't play there for club and hasn't played there for the county at underage. I do think he should be higher up the pecking order than what he appears to be though.

And there is always a surprise inclusion with Harte in the first round. I wouldn't be shocked to see McShane or McNulty involved and I'd say Aidan McCrory will most likely start as well. I do like the look of the team posted previously there though I think with the few injuries we are lacking a bit of impact of the bench in terms of a game changer.

He played as a sweeper when he was a minor, played a bit at 6 in his final year for u21s as well. He's a very good reader of the game and cool on the ball so those attributes coupled with his size would make him a very good option at
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 07, 2017, 12:01:44 PM
Declan McClure wrecked at training yesterday morning...poss out rest of the season....scan on monday.....9
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on May 07, 2017, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 07, 2017, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 07, 2017, 11:12:32 AM
Where's the talk of burns at 6 come from? Doesn't play there for club and hasn't played there for the county at underage. I do think he should be higher up the pecking order than what he appears to be though.

And there is always a surprise inclusion with Harte in the first round. I wouldn't be shocked to see McShane or McNulty involved and I'd say Aidan McCrory will most likely start as well. I do like the look of the team posted previously there though I think with the few injuries we are lacking a bit of impact of the bench in terms of a game changer.

He played as a sweeper when he was a minor, played a bit at 6 in his final year for u21s as well. He's a very good reader of the game and cool on the ball so those attributes coupled with his size would make him a very good option at

Thank god you are not picking the team! Are you even related to a footballer?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 07, 2017, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 07, 2017, 12:01:44 PM
Declan McClure wrecked at training yesterday morning...poss out rest of the season....scan on monday.....9

A real shame for the lad and his club. I liked the look of him this year and I think he'd have seen good game time this summer. Is it suspected cruciate?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 07, 2017, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: Hotrocks on May 07, 2017, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 07, 2017, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 07, 2017, 11:12:32 AM
Where's the talk of burns at 6 come from? Doesn't play there for club and hasn't played there for the county at underage. I do think he should be higher up the pecking order than what he appears to be though.

And there is always a surprise inclusion with Harte in the first round. I wouldn't be shocked to see McShane or McNulty involved and I'd say Aidan McCrory will most likely start as well. I do like the look of the team posted previously there though I think with the few injuries we are lacking a bit of impact of the bench in terms of a game changer.

He played as a sweeper when he was a minor, played a bit at 6 in his final year for u21s as well. He's a very good reader of the game and cool on the ball so those attributes coupled with his size would make him a very good option at

Thank god you are not picking the team! Are you even related to a footballer?

What bit are you most offended by? Do you not think Burns is a good reader of the game or cool on the ball? In my view that sums him up pretty well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2017, 11:43:37 AM
Sad news about McClure and hope he's alright.
Maybe I'm wrong but is the risk that we are underestimating Derry this year because we beat them so easily last year in their own back yard and they didn't have a great national league. I see Brolly's is trying to influence the refs that we are are very cynical team again. He's unreal.

Anyway, I'd say Mickey will either go for McNabb or Justy at CHB as he likes to have an older sensible head there I think. I'm surprised some of you don't rate McNabb any more as I think he's one of our best defenders and rarely loses  the ball. I hope McCarron gets himself back up to speed as I thought he looked a bit slower and heavier than usual in the league. Hampsey at corner back I'm still to be convinced as thought in a few league games he was happy to let his man get out in front of him and then to try to tackle him. Wouldn't shock me if Mickey picked McCrory there to start.

I think both Sean and Mattie struggle playing in around FF as they don't like playing with their back to goal and having to turn. Both are great kickers of the ball and so would like to see both getting into positions to shoot more.
Sean often finds himself away down the field and not getting into positions where he can kick good points like he did in the Ulster final last year.

The main wish I would have this year is to see Bradley and Lee Brennan/Mulgrew be our main score getters. I'm not expecting miracles from Lee but I would like to see what he can do at this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 08, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
Declan Mc Clure would be a serious loss to Clonoe with Conor also missing for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 08, 2017, 07:11:34 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 08, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
Declan Mc Clure would be a serious loss to Clonoe with Conor also missing for them.


Heard at our game yesterday that physio suspects it cartlage and not cruciate...was going for scan today....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 09, 2017, 04:40:15 PM
Harte's quite today in telegeagh:

"I just try to think on behalf of the players and their families. I think it is a big ask to ask players to down tools, leave work, leave their families and go away to head off for that length of time," Harte told the Belfast Telegraph.

"If we got a big decent weekend, from Friday to Sunday, I would be more than happy with that. I think we have lots of good facilities here and we don't need to go any further than that.

"That's just my opinion and the way I look at it, other people decide to go other places. Obviously they get value out of that, but I have never asked that of our players over all the years I have been with them and I don't intend to do that either."


Is it just me or were Tyrone planning in going away and it fell through?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 09, 2017, 06:24:50 PM
I'd say those rumours were wide of the mark based on what harte said and the fact that he has never taken them away before.

Few boys on here were very certain that harte would get other games called of before the championship and the training weekend wasn't the only time he'd ask to move fixtures. Those comment were wide of the mark too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 09, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
dont worry lads its just more meaningless spew from harte. irish news last saturday, tyrone herald monday and now belfast telegraph. fit him better to spend less time doin dung interviews and a bit more time on team tactics.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 09, 2017, 09:32:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 09, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
dont worry lads its just more meaningless spew from harte. irish news last saturday, tyrone herald monday and now belfast telegraph. fit him better to spend less time doin dung interviews and a bit more time on team tactics.

Have you been caught out telling more porkies again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 09, 2017, 09:38:30 PM
Would ye feckin quit ye eejit ye. We are where we are and 3 weeks out from a battle against Barton's babes we need to be supporting our own.  Honestly think massive changes are needed in the style we played in the league and Croke park but am Lead to believe this has been worked on. Stay quiet for a few weeks and we will see. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 09, 2017, 09:45:26 PM
stay quiet? pretend everythings rosy? if we are 3 weeks away from a big championship maybe mickey should leave the interviews til after. people are just sick of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on May 10, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 09, 2017, 09:45:26 PM
stay quiet? pretend everythings rosy? if we are 3 weeks away from a big championship maybe mickey should leave the interviews til after. people are just sick of him.

Do ye ever think its one interview with a few journo's.  Papers come out on different days..  Anyway, lets see how we get on in celtic park first and take it from there.  Maybe everything isnt rosy in the camp, but the team still need support.  If ye dont want them to win then dont go.  History will look kindly on Hartes contribution to Tyrone and rightly so, maybe the style of play recently is a bit sore on the eyes and has turned to puke football as spillane calls it but do we have he calibre of Oneill, Mcguigan, Mugsy Dooher PTG, Cavlan,? not by a long shot.  We wont win sam this year or next.  Go, enjoy the craic and come home hoarse for roaring and guldering.  More important things in life than a vendetta against the best manager we have ever had.  Maybe his time is up,but it wont be this year so accept it and move on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 10, 2017, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 09, 2017, 09:45:26 PM
stay quiet? pretend everythings rosy? if we are 3 weeks away from a big championship maybe mickey should leave the interviews til after. people are just sick of him.

Ah lad come on now, I think I speak for 95% of folk here and say give over. We get your point as you have clearly stated MANY MANY times your dislike for M.H

For what its worth, I think its time to change also, we have become so defensive and hard to watch its driving away even die hard supporters as they cannot stand such poor performances, but nothings going to be done until Tyrone are bate, until then, hold up with the personal vandetta. See you in July...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 11, 2017, 11:22:36 AM
Mickey talkin more shite in Irish news today. And yous think I'm relentless! Interesting what 'angry club fan' has to say in off the fence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 11, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
Curious how many of you would be happy enough to see Tyrone go through the qualifiers this year?
Whilst it was nice to win Ulster last year, we've not exactly done that well in the AI quarterfinals when we win Ulster.
2009 was the last time we won our quarterfinal after winning Ulster, having lost in 2016, 2010, 2007.

Sometimes a good run in the qualifiers can build more confidence and provide us with a bit more open football rather than the wars of attrition against Monaghan and Donegal.

Harte urging Red Hands to show they've made strides from Belfast Tele By John Campbell

Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has robustly rebutted the theory that his side will set about defending their Ulster Senior Football Championship title under a 'shadow' following the disappointments they experienced in the latter stages of the Allianz League.
The Red Hands took seven points from their first four games, a statistic which Harte maintains is being overlooked, with the emphasis instead being placed on his team's perceived below-par performances in their last three games.

"I don't think you can lay great weight on our last three games because in the middle one of those we served up one of our best performances of the year to date against Mayo," stated Harte.

"When you look at the three games overall, and you consider that Kerry and Donegal were our other opponents, it becomes clear that we were certainly not playing against Mickey Mouse teams.

"These have been three top sides over the last five or six years. It's easy to read too much into our closing league games but I prefer to think that across the whole seven games in the league we have to be content with what we achieved, which was securing our place in Division One and getting close to a place in the final."

As his squad continue their preparations for the mouth-watering clash with Derry at Celtic Park on May 28, Harte insists that his team have learned a lot from the league.

"I believe that things have worked very well for us and now we have to try and repeat them and add value to them," insisted Harte.

"At the same time, we have to look at the things that didn't serve us well. I am sure we will continue to do that and indeed we have been doing that.

"I think we can show in the Ulster Championship that we are a better, more mature side because of the experience we gained in the league.

"I would like to think in a couple of months I will be able to say, 'Look, there's what we have learned and that's how we have applied it'."

But while he is prepared to take what he sees are the positives from the league, Harte preaches caution in advance of the clash with Derry even though his side will be warm favourites to reach the semi-finals.

"The only game we are sure of in the Ulster Championship this year is this forthcoming meeting with Derry in Celtic Park," added Harte.

"We are very realistic on this front. Retaining the Ulster title is a huge ask, especially in the modern game, and it would be foolish for us to look beyond the last Sunday of this month."

The Red Hands boss, meanwhile, is continuing to monitor the fitness of midfield ace Declan McClure, who sustained a knee injury while assisting his club Clonoe in a league game at the weekend, much to Harte's frustration.

McClure has been impressive since his introduction to the team during the Dr McKenna Cup, and he is in line, if fit, to partner Colm Cavanagh in the Tyrone engine room against Derry.

Armagh also have injury concerns in advance of their Ulster Championship quarter-final on June 4 as it is believed Brendan Donaghy is still recovering from a broken thumb and Charlie Vernon has a leg injury.

Both players bring considerable experience to the Orchard County defence and they will be given every chance to make the cut for the eagerly-awaited Pairc Esler showdown in just under a month's time.

There is also some concern about former skipper Ciaran McKeever, who has been unveiling his skills in the attack recently having been a pillar of the defence for many years since leading Armagh to victory in the 2004 All-Ireland Under-21 final against Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 11, 2017, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 11, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
Curious how many of you would be happy enough to see Tyrone go through the qualifiers this year?
Whilst it was nice to win Ulster last year, we've not exactly done that well in the AI quarterfinals when we win Ulster.
2009 was the last time we won our quarterfinal after winning Ulster, having lost in 2016, 2010, 2007.

Sometimes a good run in the qualifiers can build more confidence and provide us with a bit more open football rather than the wars of attrition against Monaghan and Donegal.

Harte urging Red Hands to show they've made strides from Belfast Tele By John Campbell

Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has robustly rebutted the theory that his side will set about defending their Ulster Senior Football Championship title under a 'shadow' following the disappointments they experienced in the latter stages of the Allianz League.
The Red Hands took seven points from their first four games, a statistic which Harte maintains is being overlooked, with the emphasis instead being placed on his team's perceived below-par performances in their last three games.

"I don't think you can lay great weight on our last three games because in the middle one of those we served up one of our best performances of the year to date against Mayo," stated Harte.

"When you look at the three games overall, and you consider that Kerry and Donegal were our other opponents, it becomes clear that we were certainly not playing against Mickey Mouse teams.

"These have been three top sides over the last five or six years. It's easy to read too much into our closing league games but I prefer to think that across the whole seven games in the league we have to be content with what we achieved, which was securing our place in Division One and getting close to a place in the final."

As his squad continue their preparations for the mouth-watering clash with Derry at Celtic Park on May 28, Harte insists that his team have learned a lot from the league.

"I believe that things have worked very well for us and now we have to try and repeat them and add value to them," insisted Harte.

"At the same time, we have to look at the things that didn't serve us well. I am sure we will continue to do that and indeed we have been doing that.

"I think we can show in the Ulster Championship that we are a better, more mature side because of the experience we gained in the league.

"I would like to think in a couple of months I will be able to say, 'Look, there's what we have learned and that's how we have applied it'."

But while he is prepared to take what he sees are the positives from the league, Harte preaches caution in advance of the clash with Derry even though his side will be warm favourites to reach the semi-finals.

"The only game we are sure of in the Ulster Championship this year is this forthcoming meeting with Derry in Celtic Park," added Harte.

"We are very realistic on this front. Retaining the Ulster title is a huge ask, especially in the modern game, and it would be foolish for us to look beyond the last Sunday of this month."

The Red Hands boss, meanwhile, is continuing to monitor the fitness of midfield ace Declan McClure, who sustained a knee injury while assisting his club Clonoe in a league game at the weekend, much to Harte's frustration.

McClure has been impressive since his introduction to the team during the Dr McKenna Cup, and he is in line, if fit, to partner Colm Cavanagh in the Tyrone engine room against Derry.

Armagh also have injury concerns in advance of their Ulster Championship quarter-final on June 4 as it is believed Brendan Donaghy is still recovering from a broken thumb and Charlie Vernon has a leg injury.

Both players bring considerable experience to the Orchard County defence and they will be given every chance to make the cut for the eagerly-awaited Pairc Esler showdown in just under a month's time.

There is also some concern about former skipper Ciaran McKeever, who has been unveiling his skills in the attack recently having been a pillar of the defence for many years since leading Armagh to victory in the 2004 All-Ireland Under-21 final against Mayo.



Irish News and Now Telegraph both saying Declan McClure got injured playing with his club.....deliberate spin?? or poor research???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 11, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Was important you quoted all that article again as we'd never have known what you were referring to.  ;)

Is his injury not as bad as first thought?
This was the team last year. Looks like there could be quite a few changes, especially in the forward line though who knows what Mickey will choose.

M O'Neill, A McCrory, R McNamee, C McCarron, T McCann, N Sludden, P Harte (1-00), C Cavanagh, M Donnelly (0-01), C McShane (0-01), M Bradley, R Donnelly (0-01), C McAliskey (0-02, 1f), S Cavanagh (0-01), R O'Neill (2-02, 0-1f)

Subs: D McCurry (0-04, 1f) for Bradley, P McNulty (0-01) for R Donnelly, J Munroe (0-01) for McShane, P Hampsey for McCarron, K McGeary for Sludden, B Tierney for S Cavanagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on May 11, 2017, 04:07:56 PM
McClure was "assisting his club" in a league game. Strange choice of words.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 11, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Think we will handle Derry ok.... Donegal might be a different story would love to get another one over that Boy Gallagher, wont be easy beat though.... I do think Tyrone wll play will a wee bit more attacking football, time will tell i suppose..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 11, 2017, 10:26:05 PM
tothetop, what makes u think tyrone will play more attacking football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 11, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 11, 2017, 10:26:05 PM
tothetop, what makes u think tyrone will play more attacking football?


Just think they have to change things a little bit Mickey will know that himself....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 11, 2017, 10:43:04 PM
we knew that after last year but to be honest ive seen absolutely no evidence this year so far that we have changed. and to be honest its not like a switch that u can turn on and off when u want. i think its a bit of wishfull thinking that our gameplan will change overnight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 11, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
I am willling to wait and see....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 11, 2017, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 11, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
I am willling to wait and see....
how many more years are u willing to wait?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 12, 2017, 09:23:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 11, 2017, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 11, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
I am willling to wait and see....
how many more years are u willing to wait?

This Year could do it lol..... Harte is there at the minute so wee just have to get on with it..... My first tyrone game was 1975 been to most championship games from then supporting my County in good and bad times i will continue to do that, no matter who is managing them.... somethings i see i really dont like but thats life...i cant change it..... Have seen Tyrone in worse shape many a Time... when we played Killkenny footballers in omagh back in the very early 90's we could only dream about top 8 and div 1 football most years.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on May 12, 2017, 09:35:28 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 11, 2017, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 11, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
I am willling to wait and see....
how many more years are u willing to wait?

Ok Mr Meldrew ok.....whats your solution?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 12, 2017, 09:56:59 AM
Wel I've offered my solution a hundred times on here but yous won't listen. I don't believe it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 12, 2017, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 12, 2017, 09:56:59 AM
Wel I've offered my solution a hundred times on here but yous won't listen. I don't believe it!

We are forced to listen to you but none of Us here have the power to remove your friend MH. This isn't Trumps America
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 12, 2017, 12:05:54 PM
Of course we have the power club boi. Get on to your club delegate and make sure he votes Harte out come the end of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 12, 2017, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 12, 2017, 12:05:54 PM
Of course we have the power club boi. Get on to your club delegate and make sure he votes Harte out come the end of the year.

So you finally agree nothing can be done until the end of the year?? Good, now less of the MH bashing and talk football until Tyrone are bate
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on May 12, 2017, 03:46:38 PM
You would think Big Joe McMahon would have made his mind up by now!!!??? Holy Jaysus!!!! Hasn't played in about 2years!!!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 12, 2017, 04:47:10 PM
I reckon big Joe could full forward for the Derry match. We should play a 4 man FF line to confuse them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 12, 2017, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: driveherin on May 12, 2017, 03:46:38 PM
You would think Big Joe McMahon would have made his mind up by now!!!??? Holy Jaysus!!!! Hasn't played in about 2years!!!  ;) ;) ;)
Make his mind up about what ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 12, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 12, 2017, 09:23:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 11, 2017, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 11, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
I am willling to wait and see....
how many more years are u willing to wait?

This Year could do it lol..... Harte is there at the minute so wee just have to get on with it..... My first tyrone game was 1975 been to most championship games from then supporting my County in good and bad times i will continue to do that, no matter who is managing them.... somethings i see i really dont like but thats life...i cant change it..... Have seen Tyrone in worse shape many a Time... when we played Killkenny footballers in omagh back in the very early 90's we could only dream about top 8 and div 1 football most years.....

You are right - Tyrone did play Kilkenny but that was one of the years were the GAA experimented with the league and mixed up the 4 divisions. Tyrone actually played a NFL final in 92 and 95 so it is not like the early 90's were doldrums times - far from it. Ulster was the strongest province and Tyrone were there or thereabouts but it was straight KO and no back door in them days. To suggest Tyrone were in bad shape and nowhere near the top 8 is rubbish.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 12, 2017, 09:21:12 PM
Not as bad as made out above but didn't win a championship game for 4 years in a row from 1990 to 1993. End of the 90s was poor enough time too. Few bad championship exits including a stuffing from Derry in 97 and throwing away a good lead to get beat by down in 99 who were badly shown up in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 12, 2017, 09:27:04 PM
of course there have been plenty of bad times with the 3 years post meath 96 standing out but i can say with hand on heart ive never been depressed as much about tyrone  as now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 12, 2017, 11:51:32 PM
I just think Tyrone County football is in better shape today than it was in the early 1990's only an opinion...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 14, 2017, 06:58:42 PM
McCarron missing from Carrickmore v Dromore game today. Word going round he has tore his hamstring, is this true or a load of 💩
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 14, 2017, 07:15:29 PM
Mcclure played for us today lazarus recovery...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 15, 2017, 11:40:21 AM
So yesterday was the last club action the county lads will see before the Derry game. What way are we shaping up on the injuries front - I understand McCarron and Sludden both sat out of the Dromore game yesterday, anybody have any insight on their chances of being fit for Sunday week? What's the story with Justy McMahon? Meyler has been back playing for Omagh the past few games and Mark Bradley is back from injury for Killyclogher.

Harry Loughran seems to be playing serious stuff for the Moy, he bagged 4 goals a couple of weeks ago and got another 2 yesterday. As has been said here previously, Harte has form for springing a surprise in the first round of the championship so i could see him getting some game time in the half back line, particularly if McCarron isn't fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 15, 2017, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 15, 2017, 11:40:21 AM
So yesterday was the last club action the county lads will see before the Derry game. What way are we shaping up on the injuries front - I understand McCarron and Sludden both sat out of the Dromore game yesterday, anybody have any insight on their chances of being fit for Sunday week? What's the story with Justy McMahon? Meyler has been back playing for Omagh the past few games and Mark Bradley is back from injury for Killyclogher.

Harry Loughran seems to be playing serious stuff for the Moy, he bagged 4 goals a couple of weeks ago and got another 2 yesterday. As has been said here previously, Harte has form for springing a surprise in the first round of the championship so i could see him getting some game time in the half back line, particularly if McCarron isn't fit.

:D It is a sign of the times when we use this sort of logic to try and predict a Tyrone team for the first round of the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 15, 2017, 12:05:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 15, 2017, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 15, 2017, 11:40:21 AM
So yesterday was the last club action the county lads will see before the Derry game. What way are we shaping up on the injuries front - I understand McCarron and Sludden both sat out of the Dromore game yesterday, anybody have any insight on their chances of being fit for Sunday week? What's the story with Justy McMahon? Meyler has been back playing for Omagh the past few games and Mark Bradley is back from injury for Killyclogher.

Harry Loughran seems to be playing serious stuff for the Moy, he bagged 4 goals a couple of weeks ago and got another 2 yesterday. As has been said here previously, Harte has form for springing a surprise in the first round of the championship so i could see him getting some game time in the half back line, particularly if McCarron isn't fit.

:D It is a sign of the times when we use this sort of logic to try and predict a Tyrone team for the first round of the championship.

A positive sign and one that is symptomatic of the free flowing, total-football style of play that characterises Tyrone football  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 15, 2017, 12:06:13 PM
Was thinking the same Benny but I suppose we do play with 9 at half back these days.

Where does Loughran play for Moy?
I'm glad to hear Bradley, Lee Brennan and Mulgrew all came through the league games with no serious injuries.
Hopefully Sludden isn't gonna have a year of being in and out of the team. For me he's one of our most important players now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on May 15, 2017, 01:20:20 PM
Big Joe has called it a day..
http://tyronegaa.ie/2017/05/joe-mcmahon-calls-time-inter-county-career/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 15, 2017, 01:51:00 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 15, 2017, 01:20:20 PM
Big Joe has called it a day..
http://tyronegaa.ie/2017/05/joe-mcmahon-calls-time-inter-county-career/

Hmm and Harte says there no unrest??  Something must be up!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 15, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on May 15, 2017, 01:20:20 PM
Big Joe has called it a day..
http://tyronegaa.ie/2017/05/joe-mcmahon-calls-time-inter-county-career/

What a career Big Joe had - Was capable wherever he played. Another of the golden generation gone. Don't know how to post pictures but my favourite without doubt is his roar into tommy walshs face. Neither man backing down - pure classic!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on May 15, 2017, 01:54:30 PM
well he hasnt really featured in 2 years...dont think he has even played for Omagh this year yet...so must be struggling big time with the rehab... goes out with plenty of medals in his pocket..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on May 15, 2017, 02:06:01 PM
Big Joe was a fantastic player, very languid, graceful style about him.  Could play anywhere, had size, skill, could shoot with both feet and never panicked on the ball.  A real character too.  Best wishes to him for the future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 15, 2017, 11:28:23 PM
would like to wish big joe all the best in his retirement. owes tyrone nothing at this stage. every time he pulled the tyrone jersey on the gave his best and dont it in multiple positions. a great all round player. maith thu.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 16, 2017, 08:53:52 AM
Whats the story with McCarron does anyone know?
Missed the first 2 games for Dromore, didnt play at the wkend again and if memory serves me right didnt play in last years league Semi and I think only came on as a sub in the league final??
Wasnt himself in the national league, Do we think he's a guaranteed start in 2 weeks time? Is he injured??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on May 16, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 12, 2017, 04:47:10 PM
I reckon big Joe could full forward for the Derry match. We should play a 4 man FF line to confuse them.

Fuzzman at it again. They will really not see this coming now!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 16, 2017, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 16, 2017, 08:53:52 AM
Whats the story with McCarron does anyone know?
Missed the first 2 games for Dromore, didnt play at the wkend again and if memory serves me right didnt play in last years league Semi and I think only came on as a sub in the league final??
Wasnt himself in the national league, Do we think he's a guaranteed start in 2 weeks time? Is he injured??

He lives in Kildare and works in Dublin, I would say that has a bearing on the club resting him more this stage of the season to having him fresher at the end. Not sure if anyone knows more I'd be open to listening. Think we could handle Derry without him but has to play against Donegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 16, 2017, 01:45:09 PM
Mc Carron too busy embarressing everyone to be playin football. I think johnny Munroe  should take his place. Ah shit forgot he's had enough of all the shite too.  Mickey has yet another article in the Irish news today so at least he's happy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on May 16, 2017, 02:24:58 PM
"Cathal McCarron is in a race against time to be fit for Tyrone's Ulster SFC opener against Derry.

The experienced defender sustained a hamstring injury during an in-house game at Garvaghey last week and was unavailable to his club, Dromore, for their clash with Carrickmore over the weekend.

McCarron's clubmate Niall Sludden was also rested at the weekend but is expected to be fully fit for the provincial quarter-final at Celtic Park on May 28th.."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 16, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 16, 2017, 01:45:09 PM
Mc Carron too busy embarressing everyone to be playin football. I think johnny Munroe  should take his place. Ah shit forgot he's had enough of all the shite too.  Mickey has yet another article in the Irish news today so at least he's happy.

Where you from retard ? For you sure are not a Tyrone supporter?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on May 16, 2017, 06:30:26 PM
So what is the deal with Munroe, apologies if someone has mentioned it already (southtyrone excluded obviously)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 16, 2017, 06:48:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 16, 2017, 06:30:26 PM
So what is the deal with Munroe, apologies if someone has mentioned it already (southtyrone excluded obviously)

It's a strange one, a bit like PJ Lavery a few year back. Munroe was well involved in the league and getting of game time - not too many starts but still featuring regularly, McCarron now finds himself carrying an injury and he could easily be starting against Derry if he stuck around. I think he's been a bit hasty but may be there are other factors at play.

Is Michael Cassidy still on the squad, lads? He got injured during the McKenna Cup and it curtailed him being able to stake a claim, think he's a quality player and very versatile which Harte will like. Would hope we might see some of him later on in the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 16, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
Also McHugh and McCullagh have barely featured, are they still knocking about?

McHugh could be an interesting prospect, seems to score quite well but having seen him in action he does look fairly lightweight. A year with the county might actually help him bulk up and prepare him for this level. Disappointing for him though given the form of McCurry and O'Neill and the fact Mulgrew and Brennan were being give to the U21s.

McCullagh is a bit samey to the likes of McShane, R Donnelly, McClure etc and probably not as good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 16, 2017, 06:58:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 16, 2017, 06:30:26 PM
So what is the deal with Munroe, apologies if someone has mentioned it already (southtyrone excluded obviously)

Maybe Carrickmore people here can shed some light on this,they may be your best hope...i heard loads of rumours am sure 99% are  pie in the sky....McCarron has looked sluggish for a while.... will not be easy replaced all the same....espec with McMahon Justin on his last legs at CHB... That possibly could be 2 defenders needing replaced before we start.. Sludden at CHB prob..Corner backs are not plentiful though...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 16, 2017, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 03, 2017, 11:51:34 AM
Johnny left as he wasnt enjoying the whole Tyrone set up.  There was no fun in it.  Children get into football because it is something they enjoy doing and continue to play into their adult life as the enjoyment is still there.  Once the enjoyment goes what is the point putting in the effort that is required especially when you playing second fiddle to Aidan McCrory.  He was telling me that club football is were the enjoyment is for him and thats what he wants to play.  He also told me that there is a lot of other young lads that are not enjoying it but afraid / having the balls to to leave.
i think this poster gave the real reason.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 16, 2017, 09:21:52 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 16, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 16, 2017, 01:45:09 PM
Mc Carron too busy embarressing everyone to be playin football. I think johnny Munroe  should take his place. Ah shit forgot he's had enough of all the shite too.  Mickey has yet another article in the Irish news today so at least he's happy.

Where you from retard ? For you sure are not a Tyrone supporter?

This is disgusting! I take it the moderators have abandoned the site.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 16, 2017, 09:35:27 PM
i also thought seanmc123's choice of words was a touch insensitive but i expect nothing less from his type.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 16, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 16, 2017, 09:21:52 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 16, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 16, 2017, 01:45:09 PM
Mc Carron too busy embarressing everyone to be playin football. I think johnny Munroe  should take his place. Ah shit forgot he's had enough of all the shite too.  Mickey has yet another article in the Irish news today so at least he's happy.

Where you from retard ? For you sure are not a Tyrone supporter?

This is disgusting! I take it the moderators have abandoned the site.

which is disgusting? calling someone a 'retard' or what southman said?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on May 16, 2017, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 16, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
Also McHugh and McCullagh have barely featured, are they still knocking about?

McHugh could be an interesting prospect, seems to score quite well but having seen him in action he does look fairly lightweight. A year with the county might actually help him bulk up and prepare him for this level. Disappointing for him though given the form of McCurry and O'Neill and the fact Mulgrew and Brennan were being give to the U21s.

McCullagh is a bit samey to the likes of McShane, R Donnelly, McClure etc and probably not as good.
Personally don't think McHugh is good enough for this level but feel McCullagh could have offered something in the full forward line, big strong lad and can take a score but maybe not Hartes cup of tea.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 17, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
McCullagh definitely still in the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 17, 2017, 07:52:42 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 16, 2017, 06:30:26 PM
So what is the deal with Munroe, apologies if someone has mentioned it already (southtyrone excluded obviously)

He did the hard work to try to put himself in the frame for the championship and has evaluated his chances of starting and must have considered that the further work was not worth it, especially if it was to the detriment of his club.
If he is not enjoying it and feels he is not getting anywhere there is no reason he would stay.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 19, 2017, 07:57:14 AM
what is the injury list like- who is carrying anything going into the game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 19, 2017, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 17, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
McCullagh definitely still in the squad.
Who is this mc cullagh and Mc Hugh we speak of?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 19, 2017, 09:31:04 AM
Quote from: rrhf on May 19, 2017, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 17, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
McCullagh definitely still in the squad.
Who is this mc cullagh and Mc Hugh we speak of?

Cahir McCullagh and Ronan McHugh..
You wouldnt be a big follower of club football would you..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 19, 2017, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 19, 2017, 07:57:14 AM
what is the injury list like- who is carrying anything going into the game?
McCarron, Ritchie Donnelly.....McAlliskey long term, think McClure back again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 19, 2017, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 19, 2017, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 19, 2017, 07:57:14 AM
what is the injury list like- who is carrying anything going into the game?
McCarron, Ritchie Donnelly.....McAlliskey long term, think McClure back again.
Justy is also struggling apparently with a Quad injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 19, 2017, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 19, 2017, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 19, 2017, 07:57:14 AM
what is the injury list like- who is carrying anything going into the game?
McCarron, Ritchie Donnelly.....McAlliskey long term, think McClure back again.

I know Richie and McAlliskey are out long term is Mccarron not just short term ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 19, 2017, 01:29:45 PM
What's the story with R Donnelly? What type of injury has he got? Is this year a write off for him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 19, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
I am certainly and I know the lads but I havent seen them playing too much for the county yet in relation to championship places. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 19, 2017, 02:08:11 PM
Thought Richie wasn;t a long term injury,  pity if it is.  Love to see him getting a run together.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 19, 2017, 02:33:32 PM
Does Jerome Quinn or nobody else record any of the underage games.
I was looking for some more footage of young Darragh Canavan. It's nice to see him playing at FF for the U17s and you can see a lot of similarities between him and his dad.
It's exciting to think that in 4 or 5 years hopefully he'll be pushing through to the senior squad.
What age was Peter when he made his debut?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 19, 2017, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2017, 02:33:32 PM
Does Jerome Quinn or nobody else record any of the underage games.
I was looking for some more footage of young Darragh Canavan. It's nice to see him playing at FF for the U17s and you can see a lot of similarities between him and his dad.
It's exciting to think that in 4 or 5 years hopefully he'll be pushing through to the senior squad.
What age was Peter when he made his debut?

Maybe let him get an underage championship and some club senior football before parachuting him into the squad!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 19, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
That's why I said 4 or 5 years time LeoMc and of course a lot can happen between now and then.

All I'm saying is, that in these days of Tyrone not having many exciting forwards it gives us a little hope for the future.

On another note did any of ye see Mugsy this week on Laochra Gael?
http://www.tg4.ie/en/programmes/laochra-gael/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 19, 2017, 04:01:27 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 19, 2017, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2017, 02:33:32 PM
Does Jerome Quinn or nobody else record any of the underage games.
I was looking for some more footage of young Darragh Canavan. It's nice to see him playing at FF for the U17s and you can see a lot of similarities between him and his dad.
It's exciting to think that in 4 or 5 years hopefully he'll be pushing through to the senior squad.
What age was Peter when he made his debut?

Maybe let him get an underage championship and some club senior football before parachuting him into the squad!

Peter started in Round 1 National League 1989 V Mayo played at Castlebar Mitchells.  There was a dark pishy cloud... as black as peat in the sky that day, the clouds parted and the rains stopped  and there was the brightest beam of light ever recorded in Mayo.  It was like knock mark 2. 
Some of the largest boulders on Croagh Patrick broke in 2 that day.  The sea also parted at Westport, possibly some overkill on God's part alright.  It was a day of hope and wonderment for all who had made the pilgrimage.   
Mayo is indeed a miraculous county. In fairness the nice Mayo supporters left the game saying even of we cant win an all Ireland wouldnt it be deadly if this guy could. Lovely sports. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 19, 2017, 04:21:08 PM
I was surprised in that Mugsy interview that he said he didn't celebrate the win in 2008 and he didn't feel he deserved it with all the messing about he was doing.
Pity we never really got to see how good young Mulgrew could have been.

Didn't Stevie O'Neill also not accept his medal for ages afterwards as he didn't feel like he deserved it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 20, 2017, 09:19:02 AM
If the guys are iffy enough about collecting the medals perhaps I could.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HalfBack7 on May 20, 2017, 10:39:37 AM
Any season ticket holders know when tickets will be available on season ticket website for Derry game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 20, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
Heard  today from an insider that Ronan McNabb is flying in training and not to be surprised if he's named to start. Cathal McCarron back running, likely to miss Derry game but should be good after that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 21, 2017, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
Heard  today from an insider that Ronan McNabb is flying in training and not to be surprised if he's named to start. Cathal McCarron back running, likely to miss Derry game but should be good after that.

I think you could safely name 10 of the starting side if fully fit.

Morgan, McCarron, McNamee, McCann, Donnelly, Cavanaghs x2, Bradley, Harte and Sludden.

Probably about 11 or 12 lads fighting it out for the remaining 5 starting spots.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 21, 2017, 06:41:01 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 21, 2017, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
Heard  today from an insider that Ronan McNabb is flying in training and not to be surprised if he's named to start. Cathal McCarron back running, likely to miss Derry game but should be good after that.

I think you could safely name 10 of the starting side if fully fit.

Morgan, McCarron, McNamee, McCann, Donnelly, Cavanaghs x2, Bradley, Harte and Sludden.

Probably about 11 or 12 lads fighting it out for the remaining 5 starting spots.

dont think mccarron will be available.

Morgan probably will start , but i wouldn't have him in a head of mickey oneill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 21, 2017, 08:07:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 21, 2017, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
Heard  today from an insider that Ronan McNabb is flying in training and not to be surprised if he's named to start. Cathal McCarron back running, likely to miss Derry game but should be good after that.

I think you could safely name 10 of the starting side if fully fit.

Morgan, McCarron, McNamee, McCann, Donnelly, Cavanaghs x2, Bradley, Harte and Sludden.

Probably about 11 or 12 lads fighting it out for the remaining 5 starting spots.

I will probably get shot down for saying this but I don't think MCCann should be any automatic starter. I am not convinced by him. Goes missing when the going gets tough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on May 21, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
McCann's defending is suspect indeed but it's his ability to break the lines with his running that makes him a definite starter in the system Tyrone play. Superb athlete, average footballer. But that's the way Gaelic football has gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 21, 2017, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on May 21, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
McCann's defending is suspect indeed but it's his ability to break the lines with his running that makes him a definite starter in the system Tyrone play. Superb athlete, average footballer. But that's the way Gaelic football has gone.

But has he done it against the big teams on the big day? Teams know if you stop him running he will offer nothing. A test of a player is when things are going against the team. Are you willing to stand up and be counted and lead the team or are you happy to hide and say it's just wasn't your day. TBH I think Tyrone have far to many of the second option. Not enough leaders
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 21, 2017, 09:34:35 PM
forget about winning all irelands with lads like tiarnan mc cann on the team. good lad but just not a good enough footballer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 21, 2017, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on May 21, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
McCann's defending is suspect indeed but it's his ability to break the lines with his running that makes him a definite starter in the system Tyrone play. Superb athlete, average footballer. But that's the way Gaelic football has gone.

I don't think there are many teams in the country McCann wouldn't make. What he does, he does very well and I think his tackling and reading of the game has came on leaps and bounds in the past two years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 22, 2017, 12:03:27 AM
Aidy McCrory last week. Tiarnan McCann thus week.

I wonder whose turn it is next week to receive the wrath of the GAA board 'experts'? 😒
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 22, 2017, 08:19:57 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 22, 2017, 12:03:27 AM
Aidy McCrory last week. Tiarnan McCann thus week.

I wonder whose turn it is next week to receive the wrath of the GAA board 'experts'? 😒

I'd say they must be due another go at Peter Harte. Colm (or brother as one poster used to call him as apparently that was the reason he was on the team) Cavanagh used to be a player who got serious stick from some of the experts on here but they seem to have moved on from him. Morgan could be another one that could get targeted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 22, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
What way is McShane playing these days? Has had a quiet enough year so far with Tyrone. I know some people aren't fans but I always thought he had potential and was very good for the u21s when they won the All Ireland. His biggest problem last year was shot selection but I was hoping he could becoming a good ball winning player round the middle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 22, 2017, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 21, 2017, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on May 21, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
McCann's defending is suspect indeed but it's his ability to break the lines with his running that makes him a definite starter in the system Tyrone play. Superb athlete, average footballer. But that's the way Gaelic football has gone.

I don't think there are many teams in the country McCann wouldn't make. What he does, he does very well and I think his tackling and reading of the game has came on leaps and bounds in the past two years.

Thats because the standard of a lot of the teams are poor.  Would he make the Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or even the Donegal teams?  I doubt it.  I have nothing against the lad and i think he is a decent footballer but i dont think he would make a team that has aspirations to win an all ireland.  But again i could be wrong, sure we won an all ireland with davy harte playing  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 22, 2017, 01:34:49 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 22, 2017, 12:03:27 AM
Aidy McCrory last week. Tiarnan McCann thus week.

I wonder whose turn it is next week to receive the wrath of the GAA board 'experts'? 😒
id say mickey harte will be due a good goin over next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 22, 2017, 02:14:05 PM
McCann scored 5 points in the national league (same as R.O'Neill), just one behind Sludden and the amount of work and ground he covers is amazing. I'd imagine's he's one of the first name's on the teamsheet these days. Would he be one of the fastest players in the squad?

Both Donegal and Monaghan made light work of their games at the weekend, especially in the second half. Both seem to be a lot more attack minded than in previous years. I wonder will Mickey pick Morgan to play all the games from here on in.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 22, 2017, 03:32:41 PM
maybe thats why tyrone are so hard to watch if boys like mc cann are first on the teamsheet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on May 22, 2017, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 22, 2017, 03:32:41 PM
maybe thats why tyrone are so hard to watch if boys like mc cann are first on the teamsheet.

awk give it a rest would you, you actually add nothing valuable to this forum. I am sick of reading your negativity, do everyone a favour and leave it please.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 22, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
Thought it was interesting that Donegal started so many new lads yesterday and were able to bring on McBrearty, Lacey, Eoin & Mark McHugh and Martin McElhinney.

Most teams that are challenging for All Irelands always have a strong bench but with Tyrone I often feel we don't really have any game changing players to bring on any more unless Mulgrew or Lee Brennan start to impress.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on May 22, 2017, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: macca123 on May 22, 2017, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 22, 2017, 03:32:41 PM
maybe thats why tyrone are so hard to watch if boys like mc cann are first on the teamsheet.

awk give it a rest would you, you actually add nothing valuable to this forum. I am sick of reading your negativity, do everyone a favour and leave it please.

It's unbearable. A keyboard warrior.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on May 22, 2017, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: randomusername on May 22, 2017, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: macca123 on May 22, 2017, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 22, 2017, 03:32:41 PM
maybe thats why tyrone are so hard to watch if boys like mc cann are first on the teamsheet.

awk give it a rest would you, you actually add nothing valuable to this forum. I am sick of reading your negativity, do everyone a favour and leave it please.

It's unbearable. A keyboard warrior.

Do you reckon if we start a petition, or form some sort of protest the mods would do something.. it's going to be a long summer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 22, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
ah yeah try and ban anyone that doesnt agree with you. ive made a decision myself that i wont be back on here until harte is gone so yous can enjoy your wee love in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: KIDDO 4 on May 22, 2017, 10:44:52 PM
Season tickets are available to be printed out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on May 22, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 22, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
ah yeah try and ban anyone that doesnt agree with you. ive made a decision myself that i wont be back on here until harte is gone so yous can enjoy your wee love in.

There was no 'love in' before you came along. You and your probable aliases just wrecked the topic by posting about nothing else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 23, 2017, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 22, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
ah yeah try and ban anyone that doesnt agree with you. ive made a decision myself that i wont be back on here until harte is gone so yous can enjoy your wee love in.

STG, you were extolling the virtues of Malachy O'Rourke a few weeks back. What'd you make of Monaghan's 13 men behind the ball tactics on Saturday evening. Bearing in mind they were playing Fermanagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 23, 2017, 10:47:31 AM
For those of you who know club football well, do people think Lee Brennan will get a chance this year to show us what he's like or will he be held back for another year?
I know he's quite small and Bradley is also not the biggest but I'm just curious to see the young lad given a chance or is young Mulgrew ahead of him at this stage.

I see young Conor McKenna is doing very well for Essendon in Australia.

Omagh_gael, I think it's best not to be asking stg direct questions as most of us would rather to not have to read anything he/she posts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 23, 2017, 10:58:09 AM
Is McCarron def out for the weekend and Justin McMahon.... Cant see Derry collapsing like last year the way they did after 20minutes...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2017, 11:10:44 AM
Derry are all over the shop, I see their keeper left the panel this week just before the championship opener, that tells you they are in turmoil.  I gather he was dropped and huffed off, which is a pity because he is an awful keeper would of liked to see him involved.  Barton and McGuckin are a shambles, if we can't beat Derry comprehensively we may quit.  I expect a minimum 8 point win on Sunday and then hopefully kick on for Donegal which will be a real test.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 23, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 23, 2017, 11:10:44 AM
Derry are all over the shop, I see their keeper left the panel this week just before the championship opener, that tells you they are in turmoil.  I gather he was dropped and huffed off, which is a pity because he is an awful keeper would of liked to see him involved.  Barton and McGuckin are a shambles, if we can't beat Derry comprehensively we may quit.  I expect a minimum 8 point win on Sunday and then hopefully kick on for Donegal which will be a real test.


I fully expect to win by something similar,, Derry bound to make some sorts shape at it to half time at least is my opinion...They cannot be worse than last year can they...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 23, 2017, 12:19:43 PM
If you look at the games last weekend they were all fairly close early on with the underdog keeping it tight and working hard, then in the second half the Division 1 team's (Mayo, Donegal, Monaghan) superior conditioning and quality shone through and they each won by at least 9 points. Anything less than such a convincing display this weekend and Tyrone should be disappointed. Regardless of the history between the sides and the fact Derry have always had the upper hand in Celtic Park, Tyrone are now two divisions above them, have much more quality available at the moment and the whole mood in Derry in relation to the county team is shambolic.

My Tyrone team (assuming McCarron and Justy are injured would be as follows)

1. Morgan
2. Hampsey
3. McNamee
4. McNabb
5. McCann
6. Brennan
7. McGeary
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Mattie Donnelly
10. Harte
11. Sludden
12. Meyler
13. McCurry
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Bradley

Realistically though I think McCrory will start corner back with McNabb pushing out to the half back line, leaving McGeary competing with Meyler and McClure for the number 12 spot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 23, 2017, 12:53:53 PM
I think McCrory will also start at corner back with McCarron out as Mickey seems to like his experience in the full back line.
I expect McNabb to be at 6 with McGeary and McCann to be on either side

You would expect one half forward and one corner forward place to be up for grabs.
Last year Ronan O'Neill started and did well but he seems to have gone off the boil again this year.
I notice Bradley has scored 1.20 for his club and McCurry has 2.16 which is quite good but Lee Brennan is away out in front with 3.34.
Jeepers Sean has scord 6.22 for Moy in Div 2. Does he play at FF for them or further out the field?

I don't expect Sean to stay in around the square anyway so it doesn't really matter if he's named at 14 or not.

Derry have nothing to lose as they seem to be majorly written off and don't forget they are at home.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 23, 2017, 01:20:03 PM
I think Derry being at home has little or no bearing on it. By the sounds of it Derry wans will hardly be out in force so it won't be as if there will be a hostile atmosphere.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 23, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 23, 2017, 12:53:53 PM
I think McCrory will also start at corner back with McCarron out as Mickey seems to like his experience in the full back line.
I expect McNabb to be at 6 with McGeary and McCann to be on either side

You would expect one half forward and one corner forward place to be up for grabs.
Last year Ronan O'Neill started and did well but he seems to have gone off the boil again this year.
I notice Bradley has scored 1.20 for his club and McCurry has 2.16 which is quite good but Lee Brennan is away out in front with 3.34.
Jeepers Sean has scord 6.22 for Moy in Div 2. Does he play at FF for them or further out the field?

I don't expect Sean to stay in around the square anyway so it doesn't really matter if he's named at 14 or not.

Derry have nothing to lose as they seem to be majorly written off and don't forget they are at home.
The majority of those are frees against Strabane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on May 23, 2017, 01:29:13 PM
Could McClure Start at mid field and have Mattie at full forward and Sean C to come on?

Heard McHugh flying at training, is he an option?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 23, 2017, 01:37:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 23, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 23, 2017, 12:53:53 PM
I think McCrory will also start at corner back with McCarron out as Mickey seems to like his experience in the full back line.
I expect McNabb to be at 6 with McGeary and McCann to be on either side

You would expect one half forward and one corner forward place to be up for grabs.
Last year Ronan O'Neill started and did well but he seems to have gone off the boil again this year.
I notice Bradley has scored 1.20 for his club and McCurry has 2.16 which is quite good but Lee Brennan is away out in front with 3.34.
Jeepers Sean has scord 6.22 for Moy in Div 2. Does he play at FF for them or further out the field?

I don't expect Sean to stay in around the square anyway so it doesn't really matter if he's named at 14 or not.

Derry have nothing to lose as they seem to be majorly written off and don't forget they are at home.
The majority of those are frees against Strabane.

In fairness out of the 3-14, only 6 were from frees
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 23, 2017, 03:04:13 PM
I think last year was our first time to win in Celtic park in the championship was it not?

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me at all if McClure was to play at MF or wing forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 23, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 23, 2017, 03:04:13 PM
I think last year was our first time to win in Celtic park in the championship was it not?

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me at all if McClure was to play at MF or wing forward.

Is he fit again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 23, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
I thought the lads said he was back playing for Clonoe a few weeks ago after making a remarkable recovery
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 23, 2017, 04:40:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 23, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
I thought the lads said he was back playing for Clonoe a few weeks ago after making a remarkable recovery


Yeah he was playing last week v Edendork.... injury was speculation/precaution which ever you want to believe...but he was flying v Edendork...Conn Kilpatrick give him his fill of it though....McClure shading him in the last 10mins...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 24, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Heard there's no injury to McCarron at all and there may be a few disruptions in the camp! Heard he has missed trainings with Club & County this season and maybe there's more to why he's been missing club games this year!
in saying all this these could just be rumours floating around...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HealyHellRaiser on May 24, 2017, 11:18:07 AM
Did mc carron not play against Pomeroy and Galbally? I have on good authority that he hurt himself in a training match but don't let the truth stand in the way of a good story....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on May 24, 2017, 11:41:05 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 24, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Heard there's no injury to McCarron at all and there may be a few disruptions in the camp! Heard he has missed trainings with Club & County this season and maybe there's more to why he's been missing club games this year!
in saying all this these could just be rumours floating around...

Well given the man's history, do you think that perhaps anonymously posting some suggestions of rumours surrounding him will be a help or a hindrance to him in his efforts to beat his deamons? Go on delete that post ffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 24, 2017, 03:32:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 24, 2017, 11:41:05 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 24, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Heard there's no injury to McCarron at all and there may be a few disruptions in the camp! Heard he has missed trainings with Club & County this season and maybe there's more to why he's been missing club games this year!
in saying all this these could just be rumours floating around...

Well given the man's history, do you think that perhaps anonymously posting some suggestions of rumours surrounding him will be a help or a hindrance to him in his efforts to beat his deamons? Go on delete that post ffs.

100% Got hurt training with Tyrone(in house game)....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 24, 2017, 03:46:18 PM
https://soundcloud.com/the-throw-in-independentie/ep-1-brendan-cummins-on-the-need-for-tipp-soul-searching-and-joe-brolly-on-the-cccc#t=36.05

Brolly talking about Darragh Canavan after 36 mins saying he's like a mini me of Peter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 24, 2017, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 24, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Heard there's no injury to McCarron at all and there may be a few disruptions in the camp! Heard he has missed trainings with Club & County this season and maybe there's more to why he's been missing club games this year!
in saying all this these could just be rumours floating around...

It's people like you that are bad pieces of work. As far as I know about the man is he has a new baby working and living in the south while still staying with his club and county when I'm sure had been made many an offer in Dublin says a lot about his commitment. He has played 3 club games from dromore this year from what I know and does a lot of work with people trying to help in addiction. I don't think you will speak to to many Tyrone men this year and say that we don't need him!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 25, 2017, 08:19:47 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on May 24, 2017, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 24, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Heard there's no injury to McCarron at all and there may be a few disruptions in the camp! Heard he has missed trainings with Club & County this season and maybe there's more to why he's been missing club games this year!
in saying all this these could just be rumours floating around...

It's people like you that are bad pieces of work. As far as I know about the man is he has a new baby working and living in the south while still staying with his club and county when I'm sure had been made many an offer in Dublin says a lot about his commitment. He has played 3 club games from dromore this year from what I know and does a lot of work with people trying to help in addiction. I don't think you will speak to to many Tyrone men this year and say that we don't need him!

Committment? He has made no more committment that the likes of Tiarnan McCann and countless men down the years have done who've been working away from home!
Ha there's a lot of stuff some people don't know about thats happened in recent weeks and I obviously am not going to write it on this but just give it time... Some may say i'm stirring a pot here but people needa accept reality, we're quick to run down others in other Counties but when its one of our own we try cover over the cracks!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 25, 2017, 09:56:07 AM
Tell us more Legoman then? You seemed to know a lot that we all don't ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on May 25, 2017, 10:01:16 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on May 25, 2017, 08:19:47 AM
Ha there's a lot of stuff some people don't know about thats happened in recent weeks and I obviously am not going to write it on this but just give it time
As I already stated, given the circumstances of the players past, would it be too much to expect that anonymous slabbers would avoid going online and giving the whole country ammunition to use their imagination and spread any rumours they like about a player who's wrestled with his demons to the point where he admits having very nearly taken his own life over them? As a matter of simple decency, would you not think that maybe that sort of behavior is going to hinder the man more than help him? And what benefit is it to you anonymously making suggestive rumours online abut a recovering addict? Seriously? What benefit to you outweights the risk to the man's welfare? Time to grow up a bit.

Quote from: Legoman5 on May 25, 2017, 08:19:47 AM
Some may say i'm stirring a pot here but people needa accept reality
What reality is there when all you are doing is trying to tell people there are rumours about him, but that you won't/can't elaborate. That's not being a champion of truth and virtue, That being an anonymous gossipmonger at the expense of a vulnerable GAA man.

Quote from: Legoman5 on May 25, 2017, 08:19:47 AM
we're quick to run down others in other Counties but when its one of our own we try cover over the cracks!!
Thankfully, most people in fact don't use this site to anonymously insinuate rumours about amateur players activities off the field. And if a few anonymous cowards do, that doesn't somehow mean it's a decent thing for everyone else to do too.


If your son was a recovering addict who'd gone so far as to contemplate taking his own life, would you appreciate online mouthpieces posting anonymous suggestive comments about him? Don't pretend for a second that you would be OK with it. Would it kill you to avoid putting others through that stress? Or is the warm fussy feeling you get when you think you have some 'gossip-but-cant-say-what-it-is-type-gossip' just too important to you?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 25, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
Here here!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 25, 2017, 02:01:49 PM
Enda McGinley on off the ball.
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/193357/Tyrones_mentality_scorers__their_last_chance_saloon
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on May 26, 2017, 09:01:43 AM
Team for Sunday:
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
Hampsey
Harte
Brennan
McCann
Cavanagh
McCann
Meyler
Sludden
McGeary
Bradley
Cavanagh
Donnelly

I wouldnt be suprised at all if Mattie Donnelly starts in midfield with Mc'Cann dropping to the bench. Hopefully we might see Lee Brennan start, but i would bet Harte would start Mc'Curry before him.  c'Cann has been very impressive for Killyclogher in the last couple of years but does go missing sometimes. He has the quality but he has not made any impression with the county yet. Came on against Mayo and didn't do himself any favours. Started against Kerry in Killarney and was very poor ( although that could be said for most of the team in the first half that day ).

Happy with the team. Delighted to see Brennan start at 6. Think he is more attack minded that Justy or Mc'Nabb and it points to a more expansive game plan this year ( dare i say it ). Also like the look of Mc'Geary and Meyler, hard workers but also a bit of style about them.. and hopefully we see Lee Brennan at some stage and his potential starts to show.

Looking forward to it and to the year, you never know what this team could do if it all clicks...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 26, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
I have found that in recent years MH usually starts with the team he names. In the past he used to be guilty of naming a team and having a few replacements lined out to start wearing sub numbers. I can't see him reverting. The team named will be the team that starts imo.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on May 26, 2017, 10:15:22 AM
Mickey for years never changed team but last 2 years he has made consistent late changes to team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 26, 2017, 11:04:56 AM
I'm not sure but I thought that he didn't tend to change a championship team from what was named but he did in the league. Isn't there a fine if you change it in the championship?
I can't see Mickey being too bothered with trying to bluff Derry with dummy team sheets.

I get the feeling Mickey has rated Conal McCann for a while and has given him a good few starts but he's never really taken them. Like we said he needs to show more urgency and fight. Does he play MF for Killyclogher?

You would imagine we'll see Petey pushing up forward a lot as usual and McGeary dropping back to cover him.
I wonder how often we'll see McCrory up in the FF line on Sunday. He seems to pop up there quite often.

Will Derry sit back with 13 behind the ball or will they play 15 v 15? (well to start with anyway)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 26, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2017, 11:04:56 AM
I'm not sure but I thought that he didn't tend to change a championship team from what was named but he did in the league. Isn't there a fine if you change it in the championship?
I can't see Mickey being too bothered with trying to bluff Derry with dummy team sheets.

I get the feeling Mickey has rated Conal McCann for a while and has given him a good few starts but he's never really taken them. Like we said he needs to show more urgency and fight. Does he play MF for Killyclogher?

You would imagine we'll see Petey pushing up forward a lot as usual and McGeary dropping back to cover him.
I wonder how often we'll see McCrory up in the FF line on Sunday. He seems to pop up there quite often.

Will Derry sit back with 13 behind the ball or will they play 15 v 15? (well to start with anyway)

By all reports Derry have went very defensive in recent challenge matches- leaving four men up front. Ryan Bell will start at FF.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 26, 2017, 11:57:09 AM
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/The_Off_The_Ball_GAA_Podcast/193579/The_Off_The_Ball_GAA_Podcast

About a third of the way into it. The Derry lad from the Star says it could be a "dog of a game"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 26, 2017, 12:23:41 PM
Quote from: jb81 on May 26, 2017, 09:01:43 AM
Team for Sunday:
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
Hampsey
Harte
Brennan
McCann
Cavanagh
McCann
Meyler
Sludden
McGeary
Bradley
Cavanagh
Donnelly

I wouldnt be suprised at all if Mattie Donnelly starts in midfield with Mc'Cann dropping to the bench. Hopefully we might see Lee Brennan start, but i would bet Harte would start Mc'Curry before him.  c'Cann has been very impressive for Killyclogher in the last couple of years but does go missing sometimes. He has the quality but he has not made any impression with the county yet. Came on against Mayo and didn't do himself any favours. Started against Kerry in Killarney and was very poor ( although that could be said for most of the team in the first half that day ).

Happy with the team. Delighted to see Brennan start at 6. Think he is more attack minded that Justy or Mc'Nabb and it points to a more expansive game plan this year ( dare i say it ). Also like the look of Mc'Geary and Meyler, hard workers but also a bit of style about them.. and hopefully we see Lee Brennan at some stage and his potential starts to show.

Looking forward to it and to the year, you never know what this team could do if it all clicks...
Personally would like to see DD Mulgrew get good playing time. Think he has a tonne of potential and would add similar qualities to Niall Sludden in terms of speed and breaking the line. Personally dont see the fuss around Lee Brennan, don't think he has the speed, strength or ball winning ability at this level but hasn't had a chance yet so could prove that wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 29, 2017, 11:01:07 AM
What did we learn from yesterday folks?
Some might say not a wile lot as it was one of those games we just had to get over and no matter what we did it wasn't gonna look good.
Scoring 22 points with 11 different scorers is encouraging I suppose as it shows we're not over reliant on any one or two players even though Sean scored 6 frees and 1 from play.

Petey seemed to have a bad day at the office right from the start and Mattie and Sludden all much quieter than what we expected. Mattie needs to get his head in the right place and stop thinking he's the new McGeeney.
Again we didn't create many goal scoring chances and again the only one we did it was our corner back McCrory who had the chance.

As someone said on the main thread, it seems that Mickey is using the tactic of playing Sean and Mattie as the hard workers for most of the games to tire out the other team's defenders and then bring on the faster, more tricky corner forwards like McCurry, Mulgrew and Brennan to get a few easier scores. Of course another way of looking at that is that he brought them on to give others a rest and the game was already over at that stage.
Anyone know why McGeary came off so early?

On 45 minutes though it was only 0.08 to 0.11 and I was a tad worried as we weren't playing well.
McCann did reasonably well at MF and as predicted kicked 2 good scores.

Of course Donegal will be a totally different game and I expect it to be very similar to last year.
I think Mickey is hell bent on playing this system now, no matter what team we play as he knows we can contain most sides to a low score if we keep it tight and then it comes down to who can hold their nerve and take their most scoring chances.

What I find interesting is that despite our VERY defensive style of play, we still seem able to put up huge scores against some teams out of the top 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on May 29, 2017, 11:07:14 AM
I'd say McGeary was taken off as he was booked early and then committed another foul. Harte took him off almost straight away. Would risk losing him to a 2nd yellow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on May 29, 2017, 11:22:33 AM
As expected a win without much trouble, nothing too glamorous but it wasn't needed at this stage. Thought Sparky was very good in the first half, not so much the second, but the likes of McCurry etc who came on did very well in getting scores as well.
On the note of Matty Donnelly , he had a very quiet game and seemed to punch Chrissy McKaigue for no real reason???? Seems to have a  lot of anger. Strange.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on May 29, 2017, 11:49:49 AM
I'd say Mickey will be planning without him V Donegal.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 29, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
Ask yourself a question, what has Matty contributed this season since the league started, in my view zero, so how is he still an automatic, a game on the bench would give him an inch in his step the next time he started
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 29, 2017, 11:58:42 AM
Never out of 2nd gear Yesterday...Derry where pathetic.... need to be 5th gear next day out as we already know....nothing learned yesterday at all....bring it on in 3 weeks to see where we are....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 29, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 29, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
Ask yourself a question, what has Matty contributed this season since the league started, in my view zero, so how is he still an automatic, a game on the bench would give him an inch in his step the next time he started

If nothing else he occupied Derry's best player yesterday. Derry wouldn't have won that game in a million years but by tying up the only guy who has the ability to drive them forward, they seriously weakened the very few options that they had available. Matty has become a big enough player to command that sort of respect from the opposition. My fear is that if a Lee Keegan starts his games with him, Matty is likely to get himself sent off!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on May 29, 2017, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 29, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
Ask yourself a question, what has Matty contributed this season since the league started, in my view zero, so how is he still an automatic, a game on the bench would give him an inch in his step the next time he started

Couldn't agree more. For me he slows the game down aswell.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 29, 2017, 02:46:25 PM
Never a red a little slap to  the gob
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on May 29, 2017, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 29, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 29, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
Ask yourself a question, what has Matty contributed this season since the league started, in my view zero, so how is he still an automatic, a game on the bench would give him an inch in his step the next time he started

If nothing else he occupied Derry's best player yesterday. Derry wouldn't have won that game in a million years but by tying up the only guy who has the ability to drive them forward, they seriously weakened the very few options that they had available. Matty has become a big enough player to command that sort of respect from the opposition. My fear is that if a Lee Keegan starts his games with him, Matty is likely to get himself sent off!

+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 29, 2017, 06:52:12 PM
What would we like to see against Donegal, chaps.

I would go with something along the following:

1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. Justy
7. Brennan
8. C Cavanagh
9. McClure
10. Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. Harte
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh
15. Bradley

Bit harsh on Conall McCann as he did quite well there yesterday but I think we need someone with a bit more aggression round there and though McClure did really well when introduced, made a great catch in the middle of the park and scored a nice point too. Think he'll throw his weight around a bit more than McCann and is a very good fielder.

I'd start McCurry after that brief cameo, he looked very confident and sharp. Thought McCrory had a very good game whereas Hampsey seemed a little loose so I would give McCrory the corner back slot. Justy and McCarron will likely share the Murphy man markin duties between them, Justy following him out the field and McCarron picking him up inside.  Rory Brennan will certainly man mark Ryan McHugh.

Donnelly of course could be suspended for this one now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 29, 2017, 07:59:16 PM
Mc Curry too hot an cold for my liking. Hit a great score yes but 65minutes on the clock an the game well and truly over. Shown before to miss them opportunities when its needed in a drawn game or a point down with 2 minutes to play
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 29, 2017, 08:36:56 PM
Conal Mc Cann certain starter next day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on May 29, 2017, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 29, 2017, 06:52:12 PM
What would we like to see against Donegal, chaps.

I would go with something along the following:

1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McCann
6. Justy
7. Brennan
8. C Cavanagh
9. McClure
10. Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. Harte
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh
15. Bradley

Bit harsh on Conall McCann as he did quite well there yesterday but I think we need someone with a bit more aggression round there and though McClure did really well when introduced, made a great catch in the middle of the park and scored a nice point too. Think he'll throw his weight around a bit more than McCann and is a very good fielder.

I'd start McCurry after that brief cameo, he looked very confident and sharp. Thought McCrory had a very good game whereas Hampsey seemed a little loose so I would give McCrory the corner back slot. Justy and McCarron will likely share the Murphy man markin duties between them, Justy following him out the field and McCarron picking him up inside.  Rory Brennan will certainly man mark Ryan McHugh.

Donnelly of course could be suspended for this one now.

Agree with a lot of this, think the mccann start was a wee sweetner after threatening to leave a while ago, can't see him starting over McClure who has the size, athleticism and power over him and is more of what tyrone need against the top teams, and all Donnelly had to do was jog about for half an hour to get the game out of the road, instead he is showing the country/clubs that he will react, this incident and the O'Shea slap in the league both of which had no bearing in the respective games is a waste of time and will (hopefully not) count against him long term
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 29, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Am i right in saying Tyrone minors have won one minor championship game in 4 years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 29, 2017, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 29, 2017, 07:59:16 PM
Mc Curry too hot an cold for my liking. Hit a great score yes but 65minutes on the clock an the game well and truly over. Shown before to miss them opportunities when its needed in a drawn game or a point down with 2 minutes to play

McCurry is an enigma, I do think he has the ingredients to be top drawer - however relevant or irrelevant it is, he will probably surpass Canavan in the years as Tyrone's all time leading scorer but he's infuriatingly inconsistent. He's 24 now so needs to start delivering the goods on a consistent basis. He's a player who you can tell how it's going to go for him in the first 15 minutes.

To beat Donegal we need a big peformance out of  McCurry, Bradley or Brennan. Bradley started off well yesterday but became peripheral as the game went on and was hooked fairly shortly after a really poor wide off his right. Brennan did well after coming on but I think he's probably the weakest of the three when it comes to winning his own ball, not sure how he'd far against the likes of McGee or McGrath. McCurry was very sharp and confident after coming on so will hopefully start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on May 29, 2017, 10:54:43 PM
Sean Cavanagh is done' - Joe Brolly highlights the problems with Mickey Harte's Tyrone

Tyrone may have trotted to victory with familiar ease in Celtic Park yesterday, but Joe Brolly has dismissed them as "no great shakes".

Not only that but he is adamant that their most celebrated player of the last decade is finished. At 34, Sean Cavanagh is entering the twilight of his career. There was wide speculation he would call it quits after being shackled by Lee Keegan in last year's quarter-final.

Speaking on Independent.ie's The Throw-In podcast, Brolly said Cavanagh is far from the player who used to decorate the championship.

"Sean Cavanagh's done. For all the talk about his leadership, I mean he kicked frees. He wasn't an influence beyond that. I think he's done. We saw that in Croke Park last year when Lee Keegan took him to the cleaners. He was a great player but he's in his last year now and can't possibly perform the way he used to perform."

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gonzalo15 on May 30, 2017, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 29, 2017, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 29, 2017, 07:59:16 PM
Mc Curry too hot an cold for my liking. Hit a great score yes but 65minutes on the clock an the game well and truly over. Shown before to miss them opportunities when its needed in a drawn game or a point down with 2 minutes to play

McCurry is an enigma, I do think he has the ingredients to be top drawer - however relevant or irrelevant it is, he will probably surpass Canavan in the years as Tyrone's all time leading scorer but he's infuriatingly inconsistent. He's 24 now so needs to start delivering the goods on a consistent basis. He's a player who you can tell how it's going to go for him in the first 15 minutes.

To beat Donegal we need a big peformance out of  McCurry, Bradley or Brennan. Bradley started off well yesterday but became peripheral as the game went on and was hooked fairly shortly after a really poor wide off his right. Brennan did well after coming on but I think he's probably the weakest of the three when it comes to winning his own ball, not sure how he'd far against the likes of McGee or McGrath. McCurry was very sharp and confident after coming on so will hopefully start.

When the chips are down McCurry doesn't have the cahonies for it. Will kick them all day in a hammering when the game is already over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 30, 2017, 10:27:48 AM
I think his role this year will be as an impact sub. Dubs use players in this way to great effect and with a bit more space  and slightly less pressure from not starting then I think McCurry could be very dangerous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 30, 2017, 12:02:18 PM
McCurry is great when you are 10 points up! Same mistake over and over again, he won't produce when it matters
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 30, 2017, 12:21:12 PM
Whilst it's frustrating when your forwards are missing chances, in today's game I think it's vital that at least they are taking shots and not hiding. Fortune favours the brave and at least players like McCurry and Bradley will take the shot on. Too many others will turn back and recycle the ball back out to the 40 again. Very frustrating to watch.
Compare how you feel when Sean takes a shot on and it goes wide but when McCurry misses from the same angle most of us get annoyed with him. Most forwards play better when they feel confident and under no pressure. If you know your fans will be on your back when you miss then there is more pressure on you NOT to miss. A lot of us have a similar attitude with McCrory that you're almost waiting for him to make a mistake.
Playing in that FF line now is one hell of a hard task and you can see both Sean and Mattie aren't too happy playing in there so we as supporters must not make it any harder. We gotta encourage them for taking having the cahonies to take the shot on. It's just to easy to sit in the stand and say McCurry can only do it when no pressure on. It's not like we have loads of other options.

It will be hard for Mickey to pick the starting team the next day but I think we've seen from him now that he nearly always uses all 6 subs as people get tired. We have lots of options who can come in and play that middle 8 which is where most of the hard work is done.
It will be hard to leave out McCann I feel as he nearly always gets a few scores and we need as many players as possible to take scores.

As BennyH said, I think Mickey could be copying the Dubs tactics of holding back the nippy, faster forwards until the final 15 minutes to get a burst of scores near the end. Smaller players often struggle in today's tough mass defences as they are outmuscled and can't get space to use their pace or nimble skills. However, if they come in fresh around the 50-60 minute mark to a defence who have been working hard for 50-60 mins, they will find their pace is more effective and they can punch holes now and get in behind players. 

I get the feeling that a lot of these substitutions are decided even before the match starts and it's no longer just because a player isn't playing well any more. The game has become very tactical and almost robotic in some ways.

Interesting discussion from Parkinson and Cian Ward here 34 mins in.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/bash-tyrone-want-no-one-ireland-found-way-dealing-biggest-strength-125230
They were saying Chrissy McKaigue was too pre-occupied doing a job on Mattie.
The Derry lad on chatting said Derry had 5 different free takers.

The Derry lads are having an interesting discussion and Jim McGuinness makes a few interesting points also.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18.57600

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-mickey-harte-and-brendan-rodgers-share-same-vision-1.3100537
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 30, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 29, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Am i right in saying Tyrone minors have won one minor championship game in 4 years?

Yes thats correct. To be fair however this year they where up against a quality Derry team this year but they where put out in first round last year in a shock result from memory.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 30, 2017, 02:01:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 30, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 29, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Am i right in saying Tyrone minors have won one minor championship game in 4 years?

Yes thats correct. To be fair however this year they where up against a quality Derry team this year but they where put out in first round last year in a shock result from memory.

Yeah beat by a good Donegal team the year before...Made a balls of it against Monaghan the year before that.... Heard a lot of experts about me complaining about Minor management losing the game for us on Sunday...i dont know enough about our team to make that assumption and i guess most of the people around me dont either it did not stop them giving out though....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 30, 2017, 02:19:48 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 30, 2017, 02:01:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 30, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 29, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Am i right in saying Tyrone minors have won one minor championship game in 4 years?

Yes thats correct. To be fair however this year they where up against a quality Derry team this year but they where put out in first round last year in a shock result from memory.

Yeah beat by a good Donegal team the year before...Made a balls of it against Monaghan the year before that.... Heard a lot of experts about me complaining about Minor management losing the game for us on Sunday...i dont know enough about our team to make that assumption and i guess most of the people around me dont either it did not stop them giving out though....

Not sure if I buy that it was lost on the line - I think most of the thought on this comes from the fact that they left the lad on the field who had a yellow and then he picked up the second yellow which made a tight game into a total uphill struggle.

Whilst they maybe should have taken him off I believe that the ref was very harsh to send him off and I have heard alot of people say this who where even closer to the incident than me - The ref for me was not totally one sided but was some sort of a home town ref.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 30, 2017, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 30, 2017, 02:19:48 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 30, 2017, 02:01:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 30, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 29, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Am i right in saying Tyrone minors have won one minor championship game in 4 years?

Yes thats correct. To be fair however this year they where up against a quality Derry team this year but they where put out in first round last year in a shock result from memory.

Yeah beat by a good Donegal team the year before...Made a balls of it against Monaghan the year before that.... Heard a lot of experts about me complaining about Minor management losing the game for us on Sunday...i dont know enough about our team to make that assumption and i guess most of the people around me dont either it did not stop them giving out though....

Not sure if I buy that it was lost on the line - I think most of the thought on this comes from the fact that they left the lad on the field who had a yellow and then he picked up the second yellow which made a tight game into a total uphill struggle.

Whilst they maybe should have taken him off I believe that the ref was very harsh to send him off and I have heard alot of people say this who where even closer to the incident than me - The ref for me was not totally one sided but was some sort of a home town ref.


Thought ref in both game were poor enough...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 30, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
Management some bad decisions there was a lad left on who I won't pick out who was having a howler. mits results based therefore they will not be incharge of u 19's I would imagine
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 30, 2017, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 30, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
Management some bad decisions there was a lad left on who I won't pick out who was having a howler. mits results based therefore they will not be incharge of u 19's I would imagine

questions over the Academy are looming i would say...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 30, 2017, 06:12:21 PM
is u 19 a new grade
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 30, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
now this board have lost the run of themselves if yous suggest mattie donnelly shouldnt be on the team sweet lord. he is indispensible a quality player marking the best 6 in the country in mckaigue ask dermot connolly. tyrones problem isnt the players its the sideline and that joke of a sidekick donkey i know hes known as some other equine variety but hes a donkey ass jinny poor mans shetland whatever. what does he bring to the party. better hope murphys knee is a blowout as he will beat us on his own. hehaw.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 31, 2017, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 30, 2017, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 30, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
Management some bad decisions there was a lad left on who I won't pick out who was having a howler. mits results based therefore they will not be incharge of u 19's I would imagine

questions over the Academy are looming i would say...

The managers were brought in before the academy was even in existance. Holmes will be u 19 manager i would say
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on May 31, 2017, 04:36:58 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 31, 2017, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 30, 2017, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 30, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
Management some bad decisions there was a lad left on who I won't pick out who was having a howler. mits results based therefore they will not be incharge of u 19's I would imagine

questions over the Academy are looming i would say...

The managers were brought in before the academy was even in existance. Holmes will be u 19 manager i would say

They where brought in..during the early days of the academy..... Iggy Gallagher was one of the main men in the academy whenbit started...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on May 31, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
where's this u-19 stuff coming from? thought the new grades were u-17 and u-20 from next season on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 31, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 31, 2017, 04:36:58 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 31, 2017, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on May 30, 2017, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 30, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
Management some bad decisions there was a lad left on who I won't pick out who was having a howler. mits results based therefore they will not be incharge of u 19's I would imagine

questions over the Academy are looming i would say...


The managers were brought in before the academy was even in existance. Holmes will be u 19 manager i would say

They where brought in..during the early days of the academy..... Iggy Gallagher was one of the main men in the academy whenbit started...

IMO Paul Devlin and Iggy Gallagher are clueless. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 31, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
They won the minor league, and got beat by 1 pt, by the team that will win Ulster, and were also many peoples favourites to win it,  so that makes them clueless, boyo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 31, 2017, 01:52:51 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 31, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
They won the minor league, and got beat by 1 pt, by the team that will win Ulster, and were also many peoples favourites to win it,  so that makes them clueless, boyo.

Totally agree on this one. Had a good season and had they not come up against Derry this early or even gotten out of Celtic Park on the right side of the result could have went a long way in All Ireland never mind Ulster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
Why do so many of ye think McCarron and Justy will come back into the team?
Re Justy is it just because of the tight marking job he has done on him before?

As I don't get to see any club football any more, what is Frank Burns best position and what are his strengths?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 31, 2017, 03:08:03 PM
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
M Donnelly
Meyler
McClure
C Cavanagh
Harte
Sludden
R Brennan
Bradley
Sean
Lee Brennan
This would be an interesting team IMO, with McCurry, a McGeary , McNulty to come on for last 15-20
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2017, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 31, 2017, 03:08:03 PM
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
M Donnelly
Meyler
McClure
C Cavanagh
Harte
Sludden
R Brennan
Bradley
Sean
Lee Brennan
This would be an interesting team IMO, with McCurry, a McGeary , McNulty to come on for last 15-20

Aye it would be interesting to play Darragh Canavan top of the left alongside Peter Canavan in his prime, with Frank McGuigan at 11 pulling the strings. Neither proposal is realistic though unfortunately..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 31, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 02:48:06 PM


As I don't get to see any club football any more, what is Frank Burns best position and what are his strengths?

Frank is another all rounder. He is our long term replacement for Joseph McMahon imo. I think he will eventually operate at 6 this season or next or else operate in a sweeper role. A fine young man. If you had a daughter and he was dating her you'd encourage her to take his seed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 31, 2017, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 31, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 02:48:06 PM


As I don't get to see any club football any more, what is Frank Burns best position and what are his strengths?

Frank is another all rounder. He is our long term replacement for Joseph McMahon imo. I think he will eventually operate at 6 this season or next or else operate in a sweeper role. A fine young man. If you had a daughter and he was dating her you'd encourage her to take his seed.

sweet jesus, sounds like you want to take his seed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 31, 2017, 03:45:08 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 31, 2017, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 31, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 02:48:06 PM


As I don't get to see any club football any more, what is Frank Burns best position and what are his strengths?

Frank is another all rounder. He is our long term replacement for Joseph McMahon imo. I think he will eventually operate at 6 this season or next or else operate in a sweeper role. A fine young man. If you had a daughter and he was dating her you'd encourage her to take his seed.

sweet jesus, sounds like you want to take his seed

Frank's loins are only interested in 8s out of 10. I'm a mere 6. One such as me could never pull a Frank.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 31, 2017, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2017, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 31, 2017, 03:08:03 PM
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
M Donnelly
Meyler
McClure
C Cavanagh
Harte
Sludden
R Brennan
Bradley
Sean
Lee Brennan
This would be an interesting team IMO, with McCurry, a McGeary , McNulty to come on for last 15-20

Aye it would be interesting to play Darragh Canavan top of the left alongside Peter Canavan in his prime, with Frank McGuigan at 11 pulling the strings. Neither proposal is realistic though unfortunately..
Thanks for your insightful input
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 31, 2017, 04:19:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
Why do so many of ye think McCarron and Justy will come back into the team?
Re Justy is it just because of the tight marking job he has done on him before?

As I don't get to see any club football any more, what is Frank Burns best position and what are his strengths?

Simple fuzzman,1 is our best defender the other has experience and the know how to win big games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 31, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
Great to be back, I was away there for a few days sunny the ole back. How are you all :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 04:22:25 PM
Great to see your back Sean123. Did you miss the game on Sunday or see it abroad?

Under Lights, my daughter is 8 and shows no interest in gardening as yet.

In a way I would like to see Mattie go back to CHB but then again if he was up top of the left he could keep Neil McGee busy rather than us watching him bullying poor RoN last year.
How about a FF line of Mattie, Sean and Justy. They wouldn't see that coming.  :o

Thought Meyler was poor on Sunday and could miss out the next day but's it's a 21 man game now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on May 31, 2017, 04:46:17 PM
I watched it in Spain while sipping a Sangria. Expected win, nothing new there. The big test lies ahead and i really believe if we can get past Donegal it will boost our fellas confidence big time. Who knows what could happen, but its all down to 3 weeks time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
I think losing the league game so badly down in Ballybofey could help us in a way as it could give them a false sense of security that Tyrone are no big shakes and they are as good if not better than their team last year.
Also, it could act as a motivating factor for our lads that it was probably their worst defeat for some time and they will want to put that right. It will be a great confidence boost to the winner and reminds me a bit of the battles with Armagh back in the noughties.

Their new lads do seemed to have settled in quite well but that hammering they give us that night was a bit out of nowhere when you look at their other results.
Yes they did well to fight back to draw with Dublin at home but they also lost to Kerry at home and only got a draw at home to Monaghan.
Away from home, they only managed to beat Roscommon by a point, yes they beat Cavan well but lost away to Mayo on the last day of the league. To beat Tyrone that night so comprehensively was a big surprise.

They put up a huge score against Antrim but as we saw ourselves against Derry, it's so hard to judge how good you really are in these games as it's so different to playing against a defensive style team.

A lot of the Donegal team this year are untested in the white heat of Ulster football and I think in previous years, the experience the Donegal lads had over our younger lads was a telling factor in their successive run of victories over us. They were further down the line with their system of play.

Of course it will probably be another war of attrition and maybe the most disciplined team will give away the least frees which could be the winning of the game. 2012 was the last time the two teams met in the Ulster semifinal and we know what Donegal went on to do that year. Hard to believe they beat Down in the Ulster final that year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on May 31, 2017, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 04:22:25 PM
Great to see your back Sean123. Did you miss the game on Sunday or see it abroad?

Under Lights, my daughter is 8 and shows no interest in gardening as yet.

In a way I would like to see Mattie go back to CHB but then again if he was up top of the left he could keep Neil McGee busy rather than us watching him bullying poor RoN last year.
How about a FF line of Mattie, Sean and Justy. They wouldn't see that coming.  :o

Thought Meyler was poor on Sunday and could miss out the next day but's it's a 21 man game now

Mattie is a red card waiting to happen if he plays at 6.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on May 31, 2017, 07:50:49 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 31, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
They won the minor league, and got beat by 1 pt, by the team that will win Ulster, and were also many peoples favourites to win it,  so that makes them clueless, boyo.
You also have to factor in the fact that they were without the services of their normal cent half back with injury who was perhaps the most influential man on the team through the league. Derry will go on to win ulster comfortably I imagine
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 31, 2017, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on May 31, 2017, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2017, 04:22:25 PM
Great to see your back Sean123. Did you miss the game on Sunday or see it abroad?

Under Lights, my daughter is 8 and shows no interest in gardening as yet.

In a way I would like to see Mattie go back to CHB but then again if he was up top of the left he could keep Neil McGee busy rather than us watching him bullying poor RoN last year.
How about a FF line of Mattie, Sean and Justy. They wouldn't see that coming.  :o

Thought Meyler was poor on Sunday and could miss out the next day but's it's a 21 man game now

Mattie is a red card waiting to happen if he plays at 6.
Might see more action and be less frustrating for him?!?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on June 01, 2017, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: PMG1 on May 31, 2017, 07:50:49 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on May 31, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
They won the minor league, and got beat by 1 pt, by the team that will win Ulster, and were also many peoples favourites to win it,  so that makes them clueless, boyo.
You also have to factor in the fact that they were without the services of their normal cent half back with injury who was perhaps the most influential man on the team through the league. Derry will go on to win ulster comfortably I imagine

Ok, We were beat by a good Derry team by a point in the first round of the Championship.  Its been a good year then!! Even though this was very good tyrone minor team and IMO should be beating Derry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on June 01, 2017, 10:39:13 AM
Justy played about 15 minutes for Omagh last night coming on as a sub against Donaghmore
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on June 01, 2017, 11:13:05 AM
Quote from: stillsenior on June 01, 2017, 10:39:13 AM
Justy played about 15 minutes for Omagh last night coming on as a sub against Donaghmore

You sure? It was a starred match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on June 01, 2017, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on June 01, 2017, 11:13:05 AM
Quote from: stillsenior on June 01, 2017, 10:39:13 AM
Justy played about 15 minutes for Omagh last night coming on as a sub against Donaghmore

You sure? It was a starred match.

My mistake, wasn't a starred game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHandTom on June 01, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
Who won that Omagh game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on June 01, 2017, 03:25:31 PM
Omagh won 2-18 to 2-11
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 14, 2017, 10:18:35 AM
Almost two weeks of silence. Is it the quiet before the storm or are people just interested in their clubs for now and not too worried about the county team.

Is McNabb the only injury worry?
I'm expecting us to play the exact same way as last year's final but with maybe Donegal being a bit more adventurous in attack.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2017, 10:32:39 AM
I don't why but I have a bad feeling about Sunday after watching us against Derry and I have a feeling it could be a short summer (1st July) as I predict a bad draw in qualifiers.

Hope I'm totally wrong all the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 14, 2017, 10:48:45 AM
Rory Gallagher at the mind games talking how refs have copped on to unfair treatment MM receives,expect David Coldrick to have noted his concern.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 14, 2017, 10:49:51 AM
I've a feeling there is a big performance in Tyrone. Looking at the league games the team looked off the pace in the last few games and hopefully the aim has been for them to peak later this year. We haven't been too far away in recent seasons and hopefully the ulster title and defeating Donegal last year will give them the confidence to push on. I've no problem with us getting men behind the ball but really want to see us attacking more at pace when we are in possession and pushing up more at times on the better teams. Huge day on Sunday which could well shape the season either way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 14, 2017, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: skeog on June 14, 2017, 10:48:45 AM
Rory Gallagher at the mind games talking how refs have copped on to unfair treatment MM receives,expect David Coldrick to have noted his concern.

They seem to think if Murphy plays out the pitch he isn't allowed to be marked and should be given a free run at it. Given Justy is just back I don't think it will be him doing the marking duties this week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 14, 2017, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 14, 2017, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: skeog on June 14, 2017, 10:48:45 AM
Rory Gallagher at the mind games talking how refs have copped on to unfair treatment MM receives,expect David Coldrick to have noted his concern.

They seem to think if Murphy plays out the pitch he isn't allowed to be marked and should be given a free run at it. Given Justy is just back I don't think it will be him doing the marking duties this week.

I thought McCarron did a good job on Murphy last year, will be interesting to see if he gets the nod again. I think alot of people are forgetting that alot of Donegals players are untested at Championship level, and were very poor in the first half v Antrim. Also, from last years game they are missing Mac Niallais who kicked a couple of great scores. Ryan McHugh kicked 3 scores in the first half last year too but did nothing when Rory Brennan moved onto him in the second half, I would imagine Brennan will be on him from the start this weekend.

Anyone got any insight on how Matty Donnelly has been playing for Trillick this year? He didn't play well throughout the league (didn't help that he was stuck in FF getting very little service) and was quiet v Derry so hoping that he is due a big game for us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 14, 2017, 12:58:06 PM
We all know Murphy is Donegal's main player and can have a huge influence on the game.
This is why Mickey usually assigns someone to mark him tightly with a lot of effort being put in to put him off his game and often block his runs etc.
We need to be careful though that someone doesn't pick up a black (or red) card in doing so as we saw happen last year between Connolly and Lee Keegan. I thought McCarron dealt with him quite well last year without the nonsense Justy was up to a few years back.
Going a man down to Donegal could be the losing of the game and players like Mattie and Sludden seem to be picking up a lot of cards in the last year.

Mattie has frustrated the hell out of me for a good while now and maybe it's because I expect too much from him or that he's often a marked man now for special treatment and as we know he doesn't like to shirk the tougher side of his game.

I see in the Irish News, Sean is joining Mickey in his denial of their defensive style of play and saying he thinks people will see a different Tyrone this year. I think they tend to point at the high amount of points they score as an indicator but as we saw you can still play a very defensive system and get high scores against the weaker teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 14, 2017, 01:48:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 14, 2017, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 14, 2017, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: skeog on June 14, 2017, 10:48:45 AM
Rory Gallagher at the mind games talking how refs have copped on to unfair treatment MM receives,expect David Coldrick to have noted his concern.

They seem to think if Murphy plays out the pitch he isn't allowed to be marked and should be given a free run at it. Given Justy is just back I don't think it will be him doing the marking duties this week.

I thought McCarron did a good job on Murphy last year, will be interesting to see if he gets the nod again. I think alot of people are forgetting that alot of Donegals players are untested at Championship level, and were very poor in the first half v Antrim. Also, from last years game they are missing Mac Niallais who kicked a couple of great scores. Ryan McHugh kicked 3 scores in the first half last year too but did nothing when Rory Brennan moved onto him in the second half, I would imagine Brennan will be on him from the start this weekend.

Anyone got any insight on how Matty Donnelly has been playing for Trillick this year? He didn't play well throughout the league (didn't help that he was stuck in FF getting very little service) and was quiet v Derry so hoping that he is due a big game for us.

Thats what I think alot of people are failing to see.  This is not the Donegal of the past 6 years and they have not done anything yet to warrant the fear the previous team did.  Who all has retired from the Donegal team over the past two years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 14, 2017, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 14, 2017, 12:58:06 PM
We all know Murphy is Donegal's main player and can have a huge influence on the game.
This is why Mickey usually assigns someone to mark him tightly with a lot of effort being put in to put him off his game and often block his runs etc.
We need to be careful though that someone doesn't pick up a black (or red) card in doing so as we saw happen last year between Connolly and Lee Keegan. I thought McCarron dealt with him quite well last year without the nonsense Justy was up to a few years back.
Going a man down to Donegal could be the losing of the game and players like Mattie and Sludden seem to be picking up a lot of cards in the last year.

Mattie has frustrated the hell out of me for a good while now and maybe it's because I expect too much from him or that he's often a marked man now for special treatment and as we know he doesn't like to shirk the tougher side of his game.

I see in the Irish News, Sean is joining Mickey in his denial of their defensive style of play and saying he thinks people will see a different Tyrone this year. I think they tend to point at the high amount of points they score as an indicator but as we saw you can still play a very defensive system and get high scores against the weaker teams.

What nonsense was that then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on June 14, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
I assume it was the same nonsense McGee was at with Sean Cavanagh...marking him tightly, over stepping the mark more than once...trying to remove the influence of the oppositions key player...unfortunately that is overlooked and only Justy Mc is ever talked about...!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 14, 2017, 02:16:08 PM
They also conveniently forgot Neil Gallagher trying to break Sean Cavanagh's fingers off the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 14, 2017, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 14, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
I assume it was the same nonsense McGee was at with Sean Cavanagh...marking him tightly, over stepping the mark more than once...trying to remove the influence of the oppositions key player...unfortunately that is overlooked and only Justy Mc is ever talked about...!

Marking tightly is nonsense?
Trying to remove the influence of the oppositions key player is nonsense?

When did Justy overstep the mark?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 14, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
Ahh now lads, we all saw Lee Keegan at it last year.
All I'm saying is there is a line and I thought last year McCarron did quite well to mark Murphy tightly but without the shouting in his face, off the ball pulling and holding, illegally blocking his runs or grappling him and bringing to ground off the ball.
All the stuff we tend to turn a blind eye to when our man is doing it but we don't like it when others do it to our players.

Yeah the two McGees, Gallagher and a few others were no angels either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on June 14, 2017, 03:15:04 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 14, 2017, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 14, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
I assume it was the same nonsense McGee was at with Sean Cavanagh...marking him tightly, over stepping the mark more than once...trying to remove the influence of the oppositions key player...unfortunately that is overlooked and only Justy Mc is ever talked about...!

Marking tightly is nonsense?
Trying to remove the influence of the oppositions key player is nonsense?

When did Justy overstep the mark?

You missed my point Tiempo...I agree with you and was making the observation that McGee displayed the same style as Justy did but no one seems to mention this!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 14, 2017, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 14, 2017, 03:15:04 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 14, 2017, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 14, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
I assume it was the same nonsense McGee was at with Sean Cavanagh...marking him tightly, over stepping the mark more than once...trying to remove the influence of the oppositions key player...unfortunately that is overlooked and only Justy Mc is ever talked about...!

Marking tightly is nonsense?
Trying to remove the influence of the oppositions key player is nonsense?

When did Justy overstep the mark?

You missed my point Tiempo...I agree with you and was making the observation that McGee displayed the same style as Justy did but no one seems to mention this!

I dont agree that

Marking tightly is nonsense
Trying to remove the influence of the oppositions key player is nonsense
Or that Justy overstepped the mark

The example of trying to break break Sean Cavanaghs fingers was given as an example elsewhere, absolutely trampish, but only one man did that.

The examples of shouting in his face, off the ball pulling and holding, illegally blocking his runs or grappling him and bringing to ground off the ball were not used by Justy either.

Just interested in the generalisations and tarring of players by loose association being put forward e.g. Joe did roar in the face of Walsh in the 08 Final, I don't know what is illegal about blocking a run - surely that is a defender is there to do, Sean Cavanagh and Keegan had a good grapple last year. None of this was Justy.

The RTE studio spent considerable time trying to pin such antics on Justy a couple of years ago in Ballybofey but couldn't come up with anything. He played the kind of game the defenders of old would have been lauded for and had Murphy completely stifled.

Interpretations? Not trying to be pedantic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 14, 2017, 05:31:55 PM
In Jim McGuinness' article in the Irish Times this week, he's talking about Mayo and their lack of attacking structure.

What is a functioning forward line? For me, it comes down to this psychological concept called Shared Mental Models. It basically comes down to all players on the field being clear about what the collective objective is.

You can see its evidence in contemporary Gaelic football now, too, in the patterns that teams run. You can see it in Tyrone (in particular) and Dublin and Kerry week in and week out. When I was with Donegal, I was forever preaching to the boys that good teams will always give you a chance to beat them.

If you can identify their patterns of play then you can come up with a way of exploiting them. So there is an Achilles heel involved. But I strongly believe it is better to have a team with a deeply ingrained methodology of attacking for precisely the sort of situation that Mayo found themselves deep into the game on Sunday.

...

If there isn't a go-to player, then your collective system needs to be operating at a very high level. For instance, Tyrone do not have Stephen O'Neill or Peter Canavan anymore. So their collective system is well-oiled and calibrated to provide whoever ends up with the ball with a reasonable scoring opportunity.

-------------------

I wonder does McGuinness and Rory Gallagher still chat and discuss tactics from afar or was it a clean break?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 14, 2017, 06:13:50 PM
What shared mental models or go to plays did Tyrone have in the last 20 mins against Mayo last year?  Jim talking pure dung again......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on June 14, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
This game will be very interesting, Tyrone have done rightly in the past nullifying Murphy from open play but his frees have done the damage. Personally I think McGlynn has destroyed tyrone a few times and hopefully he's clamped down on finally on Sunday, in a game I think there is huge pressure to deliver to prove the ulster final wasn't a once off and it will be interesting how the team responds, it will come down to the accuracy from frees and barring L Brennan being picked solely for that, it'll be donegal by 2 or 3, hope I'm wrong tho
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 15, 2017, 12:14:31 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 14, 2017, 05:31:55 PM
In Jim McGuinness' article in the Irish Times this week, he's talking about Mayo and their lack of attacking structure.

What is a functioning forward line? For me, it comes down to this psychological concept called Shared Mental Models. It basically comes down to all players on the field being clear about what the collective objective is.

You can see its evidence in contemporary Gaelic football now, too, in the patterns that teams run. You can see it in Tyrone (in particular) and Dublin and Kerry week in and week out. When I was with Donegal, I was forever preaching to the boys that good teams will always give you a chance to beat them.

If you can identify their patterns of play then you can come up with a way of exploiting them. So there is an Achilles heel involved. But I strongly believe it is better to have a team with a deeply ingrained methodology of attacking for precisely the sort of situation that Mayo found themselves deep into the game on Sunday.

...

If there isn't a go-to player, then your collective system needs to be operating at a very high level. For instance, Tyrone do not have Stephen O'Neill or Peter Canavan anymore. So their collective system is well-oiled and calibrated to provide whoever ends up with the ball with a reasonable scoring opportunity.

-------------------

I wonder does McGuinness and Rory Gallagher still chat and discuss tactics from afar or was it a clean break?

It was a break alright don't know about Clean - as far as I am aware they woul dnt break breath to each other. I heard McGuinness done everything in his power to make sure Gallagher didn't get the job but failed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 15, 2017, 10:41:15 AM
We really need to Peter Harte and Donnelly to step up on Sunday and put in big games. They are potentially two of our best players and have been great at times but also haven't done enough at others. Harte has a habit of producing ten minutes of brilliance followed by very quiet spells. Both have cruised through games this year without ever really getting properly going. If we could get them both producing to their potential for 70 minutes we'd be hard to beat. They're at an age now and at a stage of their career where they need to push on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 15, 2017, 12:26:24 PM
Agreed on Harte and Donnelly potential to be great players but need to produce it on the big days and drag the team through All-Ireland quarter and semi finals.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 15, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
The lack of urgency from those 2 players in particular is fierce hard to watch !!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 15, 2017, 02:13:06 PM
Agree that both lads haven't been firing on all cylinders so far this year but I think it would be harsh to say that they need to do it more on the big days. Last year Peter Harte scored 2 from play v both Donegal (including the winner) and Mayo earning himself an Allstar in the process, whilst Mattie (harshly black carded v Donegal so didn't have a chance to show what he could do) scored 3 from play v Mayo and put a goal chance on a plate for Skeet which should've been the winning of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 05:13:02 PM
I'm always a bit hard on Mattie as I think he can give a lot more and is more worried about showing off his muscles but I always thought Petey put in a lot of hard work and effort and covers a lot of ground.
He's been our top scorer in recent times and am surprised ye are saying he's not firing well.

It will be interesting to see the team tonight. I wonder will Mickey make many changes.
I think he will start Conal McCann again at MF and name Mattie at top of the left but have him play out the field for most of the game.

I expect McCarron to come back in with maybe McCrory making way but God knows with Mickey's teams. At least he has a lot of players around the same level to pick from.

Did yis see Philip Jordan's article about Ricey, Horse etc not accepting their bans back in the 2000s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 15, 2017, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 05:13:02 PM
I'm always a bit hard on Mattie as I think he can give a lot more and is more worried about showing off his muscles but I always thought Petey put in a lot of hard work and effort and covers a lot of ground.
He's been our top scorer in recent times and am surprised ye are saying he's not firing well.

It will be interesting to see the team tonight. I wonder will Mickey make many changes.
I think he will start Conal McCann again at MF and name Mattie at top of the left but have him play out the field for most of the game.

I expect McCarron to come back in with maybe McCrory making way but God knows with Mickey's teams. At least he has a lot of players around the same level to pick from.

Did yis see Philip Jordan's article about Ricey, Horse etc not accepting their bans back in the 2000s.

I actually think McRory had a very solid game the last day and was unlucky not to get a goal. He does have a habit of getting himself in great positions going forward and seems to have improved a bit when he does get there. Would be surprised if he gets dropped. As I said earlier I think both the half forwards (Meyler and McGeary) could come under pressure and one of them may lose out to McCarron in a reshuffle. McClure could also be an option to come in there.

It would be very harsh to drop Conall McCann after the last day. Lets hope it has given him the confidence to build on it and push on. Can't see any more than one or two changes.

I just watch Harte at times and think he could do more. When he decides to play he can be brilliant but other times he seems to be jogging around the pitch.

This wont be an open game but very hopeful it'll be an improvement and less cagey than last year. Both teams have hopefully learnt lessons about sitting back inviting teams onto you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 05:35:44 PM
Your last line caught my attention RHS. I really think this is the way Mickey wants the team to play is to sit back inside their own half and allow the other team to commit bodies into that area.
Then when the ball is turned over it's all about attacking at pace into the other teams 40.

Donegal might want to play a more expansive game now with their added pace in the team but I think that fear factor of leaving spaces for us to break into will mean they will keep a lot of bodies behind the ball.
I expect Tyrone to play the exact same way now as they did last year as it's second nature to them all.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 15, 2017, 05:51:58 PM
Would expect Harte to name the exact same 15 as started the Derry game tonight but come 10-15 minutes before throw in will come a few changes. Would say McCarron is certain to come in and pick up Murphy. After that it would be very hard to know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 15, 2017, 06:09:05 PM
What nights do Tyrone train?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 15, 2017, 07:06:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 05:35:44 PM
Your last line caught my attention RHS. I really think this is the way Mickey wants the team to play is to sit back inside their own half and allow the other team to commit bodies into that area.
Then when the ball is turned over it's all about attacking at pace into the other teams 40.

Donegal might want to play a more expansive game now with their added pace in the team but I think that fear factor of leaving spaces for us to break into will mean they will keep a lot of bodies behind the ball.
I expect Tyrone to play the exact same way now as they did last year as it's second nature to them all.

Both teams will still get lots of men behind the ball, there is no doubt about that. The problem last year was our counter attacking became less effective as the season went on and we became too defensive. I'd like to think when we get the ball this year we'll commit more men forward and at a greater pace. Similarly I don't expect Donegal to knock the ball aroind 60 yards out this year.

If both teams do commit more men forward it should lead to more turnovers and gaps to break into.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 08:58:19 PM
No changes in starting 15

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 60 (17)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 96 (24)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 63 (18)
4 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 21 (3)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 55 (14)
6 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 27 (9)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 117 (38)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 135 (49)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 27 (5)
10 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 18 (4)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 28 (6)
12 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair – 34 (13)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh – 235 (85)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac – 91 (28)

16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)
18 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 5 (1)
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
20 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 98 (25)
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 10 (1)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 73 (26)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 108 (38)
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill – 27 (8)
25 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 6 (1)
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 64 (14)
27 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
28 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas – 6 (0)
29 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 8 (0)
30 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin – 5 (0)
31 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn – 38 (8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on June 16, 2017, 11:15:30 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 08:58:19 PM
No changes in starting 15

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 60 (17)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 96 (24)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 63 (18)
4 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 21 (3)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 55 (14)
6 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 27 (9)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 117 (38)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 135 (49)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 27 (5)
10 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 18 (4)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 28 (6)
12 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair – 34 (13)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh – 235 (85)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac – 91 (28)

16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)
18 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 5 (1)
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
20 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 98 (25)
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 10 (1)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 73 (26)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 108 (38)
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill – 27 (8)
25 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 6 (1)
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 64 (14)
27 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
28 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas – 6 (0)
29 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 8 (0)
30 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin – 5 (0)
31 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn – 38 (8)

Would be very surprised if Aidan Mc Crory Starts.  Very poor the last day. Only touch the ball a handful of times and dont think any of them was in our own half.  For a corner back i find this hard to believe and honestly cant see what he offers. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 16, 2017, 11:25:26 AM
At least Fuzzman and Redhand Santa are excited!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 16, 2017, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: The Trap on June 16, 2017, 11:25:26 AM
At least Fuzzman and Redhand Santa are excited!!!!!

Yeah I'm looking forward to hard fought game between two of the top 5 or 6 teams in the country, maybe even top 4. First proper game of the year for Tyrone and interested to see how we've developed from last year. Everything before now was a warm up for this game. Expecting more scores and an improved game than last year though scores will still be hard worked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 16, 2017, 03:27:54 PM
Looks like Conor McKenna is doing well in the Aussie Rules. His current contract expires after this year though I'd expect him to be offered a new one.

Funny interview of him here making sure he explains he's not from Northern Ireland but just Ireland and not a big fan of George Best or McIlroy by the sounds of things. Haha
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/conor-mckenna-australian-tv-interview-367024 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/conor-mckenna-australian-tv-interview-367024)

Former Essendon captain Jobe Watson has said that former Tyrone minors star Conor McKenna has got some 'real talent' in Aussie Rules and that the 21-year-old reads the game very well for a player that is only in his second season in the AFL.
McKenna, who was drafted in the fourth round of the 2014 AFL Rookie Draft after playing a starring role in Tyrone's run to the 2012 All-Ireland Minor Football Championship quarter-final, enjoyed his best game in the AFL last weekend as Essendon prevailed over Port Adelaide with a 70-point win at the Etihad Stadium in Melbourne.
McKenna notched a career high 22 disposals in the landslide win and also racked up six inside-50's ( passing the ball inside the 50m arc, a statistic frequently used to evaluate the effectiveness of midfield players) as the Bombers bounced back from their loss the previous weekend to the Greater Western Sydney Giants.

Watson, who was originally awarded the 2012 Brownlow medal before being stripped of the medal for his involvement in the club's supplements saga in 2012, said that McKenna is a 'beautifully balanced' player and that he is improving with every game he plays.
"He's got some real talent and like all Irish guys they kick the ball so well," Watson told Melbourne radio station 3AW on Saturday.

"They're not afraid to back themselves and he's a beautifully balanced player. The more he plays the better he's going to get and we're really fortunate that the recruiting staff found him, and that the coaches are starting to develop him, and credit to him.
"He sees the game so well for a guy that hasn't played a hell of a lot of footy. Not only can he run at such high speed but he actually has composure at that speed.

"That's a rare thing to have, a guy who can really break the lines and be running at full pace, but then still find targets long or short, and he's just going to get better and better the more games he plays."
Watson has been mightily impressed by what he's seen from McKenna on the field, but away from the pitch he admits that he still has great difficulty understanding what the Eglish native is trying to say, with his affinity for mayonnaise particularly puzzling to the two-time All-Australian.

"I still can't understand anything he says," Watson joked.
"He actually lived with me for the first three months when he arrived and all he wanted to eat was mayonnaise.

"I don't know what goes on in the Irish diet but every meal he would just go 'Have you got some mayonnaise? Have you got some mayonnaise? I need some mayonnaise' That's all I know."
McKenna has played eight times so far this season for Essendon with his contract with the Bombers set to expire at the end of the 2017 season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 08:39:32 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on June 16, 2017, 11:15:30 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2017, 08:58:19 PM
No changes in starting 15

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 60 (17)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 96 (24)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 63 (18)
4 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 21 (3)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 55 (14)
6 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 27 (9)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 117 (38)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 135 (49)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 27 (5)
10 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 18 (4)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 28 (6)
12 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair – 34 (13)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh – 235 (85)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac – 91 (28)

16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)
18 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 5 (1)
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
20 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 98 (25)
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 10 (1)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 73 (26)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 108 (38)
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill – 27 (8)
25 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 6 (1)
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 64 (14)
27 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
28 – Cahir McCullagh – An Caisleán Glas – 6 (0)
29 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 8 (0)
30 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin – 5 (0)
31 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn – 38 (8)

Would be very surprised if Aidan Mc Crory Starts.  Very poor the last day. Only touch the ball a handful of times and dont think any of them was in our own half.  For a corner back i find this hard to believe and honestly cant see what he offers.

McCrory had a better game than Hampsey did against Derry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 17, 2017, 01:26:23 PM
A few of us met up last night and were discussing Mugsy and I was saying he was probably our best goal scorer in the last 30 years.
Some said Canavan was much better but to me Peter would tend to go for the point more than try for a goal.
What do ye think?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on June 18, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 16, 2017, 03:27:54 PM
Looks like Conor McKenna is doing well in the Aussie Rules. His current contract expires after this year though I'd expect him to be offered a new one.


Former Essendon captain Jobe Watson has said that former Tyrone minors star Conor McKenna has got some 'real talent' in Aussie Rules and that the 21-year-old reads the game very well for a player that is only in his second season in the AFL.
McKenna, who was drafted in the fourth round of the 2014 AFL Rookie Draft after playing a starring role in Tyrone's run to the 2012 All-Ireland Minor Football Championship quarter-final, enjoyed his best game in the AFL last weekend as Essendon prevailed over Port Adelaide with a 70-point win at the Etihad Stadium in Melbourne.
McKenna notched a career high 22 disposals in the landslide win and also racked up six inside-50's ( passing the ball inside the 50m arc, a statistic frequently used to evaluate the effectiveness of midfield players) as the Bombers bounced back from their loss the previous weekend to the Greater Western Sydney Giants.

Watson, who was originally awarded the 2012 Brownlow medal before being stripped of the medal for his involvement in the club's supplements saga in 2012, said that McKenna is a 'beautifully balanced' player and that he is improving with every game he plays.
"He's got some real talent and like all Irish guys they kick the ball so well," Watson told Melbourne radio station 3AW on Saturday.

"They're not afraid to back themselves and he's a beautifully balanced player. The more he plays the better he's going to get and we're really fortunate that the recruiting staff found him, and that the coaches are starting to develop him, and credit to him.
"He sees the game so well for a guy that hasn't played a hell of a lot of footy. Not only can he run at such high speed but he actually has composure at that speed.

"That's a rare thing to have, a guy who can really break the lines and be running at full pace, but then still find targets long or short, and he's just going to get better and better the more games he plays."
Watson has been mightily impressed by what he's seen from McKenna on the field, but away from the pitch he admits that he still has great difficulty understanding what the Eglish native is trying to say, with his affinity for mayonnaise particularly puzzling to the two-time All-Australian.

"I still can't understand anything he says," Watson joked.
"He actually lived with me for the first three months when he arrived and all he wanted to eat was mayonnaise.

"I don't know what goes on in the Irish diet but every meal he would just go 'Have you got some mayonnaise? Have you got some mayonnaise? I need some mayonnaise' That's all I know."
McKenna has played eight times so far this season for Essendon with his contract with the Bombers set to expire at the end of the 2017 season.

He was superb in that game.  Really distinctive kicking style that is a mix of gaa and afl but effective. Serious athlete
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
Not many on mouthing about Tyrone management tonight I see!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 18, 2017, 07:03:26 PM
1.21 today against Donegal was very impressive.

Just shows you don't need a top quality forward like McManus to put up a big score.
12 different scores and we had about 5 really good goal chances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Duckquay on June 18, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
Not from Tyrone but from skimming this thread over the past few months it's clear that there's a good few posters that haven't one clue about football. Talk about utter dung being talked. Harte masterminds a rout of Donegal and Peter harte, mccann and mcrory all excel ::) ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 18, 2017, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
Not many on mouthing about Tyrone management tonight I see!

Their Ford Anglias probably broke down enroute to the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 18, 2017, 08:43:34 PM
Tyrone let of the leash and players allowed to show their talent today....excellent to watch.....imagine watching them play a similar style in Croker against the dubs......would be a fantastic spectacle......only problem with today was that Donegal couldn't live with them and it was too easy and over as a contest a long way out......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 18, 2017, 08:58:50 PM
Quote from: The Trap on June 18, 2017, 08:43:34 PM
Tyrone let of the leash and players allowed to show their talent today....excellent to watch.....imagine watching them play a similar style in Croker against the dubs......would be a fantastic spectacle......only problem with today was that Donegal couldn't live with them and it was too easy and over as a contest a long way out......

Let of the leash? Really? They played the same way they always play except a lot of key men performed really well and our shooting was excellent.

Encouraging stuff all round today. Sludden really is a class act while C-Cav, McCann and Donnelly performed very well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on June 18, 2017, 09:21:51 PM
Quote from: Duckquay on June 18, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
Not from Tyrone but from skimming this thread over the past few months it's clear that there's a good few posters that haven't one clue about football. Talk about utter dung being talked. Harte masterminds a rout of Donegal and Peter harte, mccann and mcrory all excel ::) ::)

Fair play to Tyrone today. Some really impressive performances but how can you say Mccrory excelled? He is a serious weak link in the Tyrone chain and as the old saying goes your only as strong as your weakest link. I say he has touched the ball 10 times in 140 + minutes of football. Tyrone have some serious talent on the bench that Mccrory is keeping out of the time And I just don't understand how he starts week in week out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 18, 2017, 09:42:05 PM
How was that the same as tyrone have played in the last couple of years? Long kick outs were a massive and very welcome addition. Making 5 or goal chances for a team that usually don't make any...    could have scored 4 25 today......pushing up on Donegal kick outs was another new dimension......they all worked.........and will work because tyrone have very good players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Duckquay on June 18, 2017, 09:43:21 PM
You're displaying symptoms of football snobbery. You dont need to be able to kick a 40yard pass off the outside of your weaker foot to deserve a place on a team. He's not there to get on the ball. His role is to nullify the opposition go to men. His teammates sure value him and that's what counts.
By the way, he didn't excel, that was tongue in cheek. Just makes mes me laugh the calls for him to be benched that ive read this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 18, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 18, 2017, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
Not many on mouthing about Tyrone management tonight I see!

Their Ford Anglias probably broke down enroute to the game.

Thats because they got back to playing football which is what we wanted!! Management listened! Shows what they should have been doing all along. Excellent today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 10:01:26 PM
fickle as fk, will be on slagging the whole thing again the first sign of a bad pass.



Quote from: longballin on June 18, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 18, 2017, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
Not many on mouthing about Tyrone management tonight I see!

Their Ford Anglias probably broke down enroute to the game.

Thats because they got back to playing football which is what we wanted!! Management listened! Shows what they should have been doing all along. Excellent today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on June 18, 2017, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: Duckquay on June 18, 2017, 09:43:21 PM
You're displaying symptoms of football snobbery. You dont need to be able to kick a 40yard pass off the outside of your weaker foot to deserve a place on a team. He's not there to get on the ball. His role is to nullify the opposition go to men. His teammates sure value him and that's what counts.
By the way, he didn't excel, that was tongue in cheek. Just makes mes me laugh the calls for him to be benched that ive read this year

Football snobbery? Being able to kick the ball with your stronger foot would help.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 18, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
Did you get excited Trap?
It's been a long time since we beat a decent team that convincingly.
Of course some will question how poor Donegal were today but Tyrone put on a show today and kicked some great scores. No doubt the critical analysts will again point to our inability to take goals and that could prove costly in tougher games.

Colm Cavanagh certainly surpassed his brother today I thought and must be one of the top midfielders in the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 11:12:09 PM
Tyrone played the same system they always play today - getting 13/14 men behind the ball
And break at pace - that is no different to what they have done over the last two years. There was no change of style. The only difference today was that they scored65% of their shots
They didn't kick the usual 13-15 wides that we usually get!
They have always created a lot of scoring chances despite being labelled as being all out defensive
For example against Dublin in the league this year they created almost double the amount of scoring chances that Dublin did, against Mayo it was a very high total - but in both games they kicked a massive amount of wides/ shorts.
The difference today was no change in tactics or style - they just managed to convert a lot more chances
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 18, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 11:12:09 PM
Tyrone played the same system they always play today - getting 13/14 men behind the ball
And break at pace - that is no different to what they have done over the last two years. There was no change of style. The only difference today was that they scored65% of their shots
They didn't kick the usual 13-15 wides that we usually get!
They have always created a lot of scoring chances despite being labelled as being all out defensive
For example against Dublin in the league this year they created almost double the amount of scoring chances that Dublin did, against Mayo it was a very high total - but in both games they kicked a massive amount of wides/ shorts.
The difference today was no change in tactics or style - they just managed to convert a lot more chances

Yeah, that's fairly true though our kick out strategy was much more adventurous. We went direct which allowed us more space to get into and I think Donegal also allowed us to play unlike they did last year. For me Colm Cavanagh was the main man today, lorded it at midfield and was the platform for our dominance, a great target for Morgan to hit and we fed off him.

Good to see Conall McCann making the most of his opportunity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 18, 2017, 11:22:00 PM
I was excited by that fuzzman.....might go to the Ulster final......haven't been at a county match since the borefest ulster final last year...let's hope the new expressive approach continues......if it is monaghan as expected I believe tyrone have the pace to burn them too.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 19, 2017, 08:57:57 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 18, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 18, 2017, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
Not many on mouthing about Tyrone management tonight I see!

Their Ford Anglias probably broke down enroute to the game.

Thats because they got back to playing football which is what we wanted!! Management listened! Shows what they should have been doing all along. Excellent today.

Nonsense, you are a complete slabber, at least stick to your guns.

Tyrone were the exact same yesterday it just clicked and Donegal were done for when they went a few behind.

Also can't see the McCrory thing, yes he is quick and serious engine gets around the pitch but keeps popping up in the attack and usually we miss a chance because of it. Not blaming him but hes a corner back. Also, what does lee brennan have to do, mc curry and o'neill were abysmal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on June 19, 2017, 09:17:21 AM
Top of the head and face burned to a crisp!!! Enjoyed some lovely pints after the game just so delighted with the performance yesterday...Dont care what Donegal where like to be honest,one game at time,performing like yesterday will win a lot of games bring on the Ulster final now...Wont get carried away yet as we have been warned but by god i left Clones last night after a few scoops with a very happy car load....only downside was some Donegal supporters near where i was, behaviour was shocking.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 19, 2017, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 19, 2017, 08:57:57 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 18, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 18, 2017, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
Not many on mouthing about Tyrone management tonight I see!

Their Ford Anglias probably broke down enroute to the game.

Thats because they got back to playing football which is what we wanted!! Management listened! Shows what they should have been doing all along. Excellent today.

Nonsense, you are a complete slabber, at least stick to your guns.

Tyrone were the exact same yesterday it just clicked and Donegal were done for when they went a few behind.

Also can't see the McCrory thing, yes he is quick and serious engine gets around the pitch but keeps popping up in the attack and usually we miss a chance because of it. Not blaming him but hes a corner back. Also, what does lee brennan have to do, mc curry and o'neill were abysmal

Yeah, class performance all round but one head scratcher from yesterday was Mickey not giving Lee Brennan at least another 20 mins of championship football. With all due respect to Ronan O'Neill, he is unlikely to feature if we progress to AI semi finals or finals, Lee is hopefully the future so you'd think the more game time he has under his belt, the better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on June 19, 2017, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 18, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 18, 2017, 11:12:09 PM
Tyrone played the same system they always play today - getting 13/14 men behind the ball
And break at pace - that is no different to what they have done over the last two years. There was no change of style. The only difference today was that they scored65% of their shots
They didn't kick the usual 13-15 wides that we usually get!
They have always created a lot of scoring chances despite being labelled as being all out defensive
For example against Dublin in the league this year they created almost double the amount of scoring chances that Dublin did, against Mayo it was a very high total - but in both games they kicked a massive amount of wides/ shorts.
The difference today was no change in tactics or style - they just managed to convert a lot more chances

Conal was anonymous, if the game had of been tighter he would have been removed much earlier. Top notch performance. System the same, but as some one said we kick our chances instead of having a lot of wides. Additionally Donegal were so in Donegal like, not a tackle in their defence and their centre wide open on many occasions.

Yeah, that's fairly true though our kick out strategy was much more adventurous. We went direct which allowed us more space to get into and I think Donegal also allowed us to play unlike they did last year. For me Colm Cavanagh was the main man today, lorded it at midfield and was the platform for our dominance, a great target for Morgan to hit and we fed off him.

Good to see Conall McCann making the most of his opportunity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 19, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
Glad to see great performances by Tiernan, Colm, McGeary, Mattie and Sludden.

I thought Colm totally outshone Sean yesterday and if I'm to be honest I think Sean didn't really have a great game. He used to never miss goal chances like that but he hit it straight at the keeper. If it had of been Ronan O'Neill or McCurry we would be slating them. What do others think or am I being harsh on him?

At 4 each it looked like it was gonna be another tight game but we just started to kick some majestic scores from far out. Bradley was making very smart jinking runs from side to side to keep them guessing will we kick it in long to him or run it.
I think our variation if play yesterday was why we seemed to get more space and expose their defence a bit more than last year.

That long kick out over the top scared the bejaysus out of them as it meant there could be heavy price to pay for pushing up on our kickouts. Colm's high fielding has become an important part of our gameplan now along with the mark which is what I hoped though Mickey played it down at the time in was introduced.

Like so many have said it has been a long time since I came home from a Tyrone match feeling like we really moved up a level but of course many will ask was it because Donegal were so poor. As usual the answer is usually somewhere in teh middle.

What were they saying on BBC at half time and full time? Spillane seemed very full of praise last night as the Newstalk team did on the radio. As Mickey said afterwards, we've been threatening to put in a big performance like that for a while now but just playing it fits and starts.

It is strange though how reluctant Mickey is to use Lee Keegan. There must be some reason.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2017, 10:47:45 AM
A fantastic performance and one that will hopefully shut up a few critics for another while anyway. No word from Southtyronegael yet on the match? For all the doom and gloom that has been pedalled here for 6 months including after a hammering of Derry Tyrone have probably never scored as many times in the first two games of a championship. The movement and point taking was excellent throughout whilst still maintaining a strong defensive shield.

The tactics where largely similar to previous years but there definitely was a tweak to it with more emphasis on attacking in numbers. Was delighted to see us not only push up on the kickout properly for a change but also compete so strongly in midfield. Colm Cavanagh was excellent there and we also fought hard for the breaking ball.

Last year I thought we had mixed the defensive structure with attacking football well up until the ulster final and all Ireland quarter final when we became too concerned with defence. It looks like we have learnt from that and are hopefully ready to push on for a big summer ahead.

I see despite scoring 1-21 people are still questioning Lee Brennan's omission. I suspect he could have been carrying a knock but either way Mickey Harte is the right man to make the decision on whether he is ready, he see's much more of him than the rest of us. The fact he threw in Mulgrew shows he has no bother throwing in younger players. Was great to see McGeary and Hampsey really step up yesterday as well as the return to form of Harte and Mattie. Sludden was excellent as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2017, 10:51:31 AM
I forgot to mention T McCann who was excellent as well, especially according to one or two on here he's not good enough to be on the team. It wasn't Sean Cavanagh's best game missing a few chances but still think he was involved well and his driving run nearly sent Brennan through for a goal. He also comes out and can compete well around the middle. He'll be disappointed with his finish for the first goal chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on June 19, 2017, 10:56:19 AM
I think that it is worth noting that if Mc Hugh had of buried his gift of a goal, this would have been a very different game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on June 19, 2017, 10:57:59 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on June 19, 2017, 10:56:19 AM
I think that it is worth noting that if Mc Hugh had of buried his gift of a goal, this would have been a very different game.

It's not worth noting that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2017, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on June 19, 2017, 10:56:19 AM
I think that it is worth noting that if Mc Hugh had of buried his gift of a goal, this would have been a very different game.

Or if Cavanagh, Hampsey or Harte had taken their goal chances the game could have been totally out of sight at half time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 19, 2017, 11:05:03 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 19, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
Glad to see great performances by Tiernan, Colm, McGeary, Mattie and Sludden.

I thought Colm totally outshone Sean yesterday and if I'm to be honest I think Sean didn't really have a great game. He used to never miss goal chances like that but he hit it straight at the keeper. If it had of been Ronan O'Neill or McCurry we would be slating them. What do others think or am I being harsh on him?

At 4 each it looked like it was gonna be another tight game but we just started to kick some majestic scores from far out. Bradley was making very smart jinking runs from side to side to keep them guessing will we kick it in long to him or run it.
I think our variation if play yesterday was why we seemed to get more space and expose their defence a bit more than last year.

That long kick out over the top scared the bejaysus out of them as it meant there could be heavy price to pay for pushing up on our kickouts. Colm's high fielding has become an important part of our gameplan now along with the mark which is what I hoped though Mickey played it down at the time in was introduced.

Like so many have said it has been a long time since I came home from a Tyrone match feeling like we really moved up a level but of course many will ask was it because Donegal were so poor. As usual the answer is usually somewhere in teh middle.

What were they saying on BBC at half time and full time? Spillane seemed very full of praise last night as the Newstalk team did on the radio. As Mickey said afterwards, we've been threatening to put in a big performance like that for a while now but just playing it fits and starts.

It is strange though how reluctant Mickey is to use Lee Keegan. There must be some reason.

There's one very obvious reason!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 19, 2017, 11:06:15 AM
The McHugh goal would have certainly made it a lot more interesting but I think Tyrone were just in a different place mentality yesterday. It was like a different team and approach to the game than we saw in the league.

The hunger and desire amongst them all, I was behind the far goals and head McCarron shouting at them all near the end to WAKE UP! as Donegal were pressing forward for goals.

What did people think of Peter Harte yesterday? I thought he was a bit subdued again compared to most of the rest of the team.
He kicked some good scores but thought his usual workrate was missing and he could have got a goal.

I see Donegal got Longford at home in the next round. I'd imagine Monaghan won't be overly happy with watching our performance yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on June 19, 2017, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2017, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: Man Marker on June 19, 2017, 10:56:19 AM
I think that it is worth noting that if Mc Hugh had of buried his gift of a goal, this would have been a very different game.

Or if Cavanagh, Hampsey or Harte had taken their goal chances the game could have been totally out of sight at half time.

I agree entirely, however the other goal chances may not have come if that had been buried, what I am saying that these fine margins change the complete psychological mindset of players during the game. I was some boost to us when they missed it, as it would have changes everything. I take you back to Donegals famous win V Dublin in the semi final. Dublin missed two if not three goals chances in the first 20 mins and would have steam rolled Donegal, but missed all and Donegal grabbed their goal chance  to score a memorable win
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on June 19, 2017, 11:32:20 AM
A good game yesterday and a great end result. Some big performances and some things to work on. A good stepping stone to where we want to be in August / September. Think this team can get better. Will it be this year, im not so sure.

Morgan - Done all was asked of him. Would still have O'Neill in there, personal preference

McCrory - Thought he was steady, don't get the major criticism of him. Wasnt mentioned much, which i though would have been a good thing bearing in mind he is essentially a corner back. Would probably start McCarron instead of him with brennan at 6.

McNamee - Again steady, Donegal did get through the middle a good few times late in the game ( albeit the game was won ). Pooped up further up the field a lot. Steady game.

Hampsey - Thought he done a great job on Murphy and chipped in with a score ( 2 ), possibly should have had a goal or assisted by passing. Very good game. Cemented his place for the final.

McCann - Thought he was excellent all over the field. Defending well, pace, directness, finishing. Outstanding and possibly was my man of the match. Turning into a major player.

McCarron - Done his job ( defending ) very well. Seemed to be organising things more so than McNamee. Again Donegal got through a few times so something to work on. Man Marker for McManus/McCarron ( i assume MOnaghan will take care of Down ) in the final, along with Hampsey i would think.

Harte - Not majorly influential but a good steady performance and his experience was there to see when in possesion later in the game.

Cavanagh - Outstanding, whatever area of the pitch he was in. First name on the teamsheet these days.

McCann - Not as good as the Derry game. But good experience for him, put in his shift and good work rate.

McGeary - Thought he was excellent and has grown with every game. A typical Harte half forward. Ferocious workrate, and plenty of skill to go with. Definite starter in the final.

Sludden - Brilliant performance, very important to the side. Has everthing and well able to stand up when needed.

Mulgrew - Started of well, and was decent. Good workrate and a couple? of points. Good first championship game. May not be enough to make the final first 15.

Bradley - Had a good game, worked very hard on his own in there, couple of points. Harsh black card from what i could see. How did point stand if he fouled his man? Would love to see him kick off some day and put in a performance like against Coalisland inth first 20 minutes of the replayed County Final. But needs to get more and quicker ball into to him to do that.

Cavanagh - Not his best game, ran into tackles, held on to the ball too long. but still important to have him in there. Missed a good goal chance, could possibly have laid it off.

Donnelly - Had a good second half, seemed to walk throught the middle a few times. Possibly should have passed a few times rather than shooting. Seems to slow things down a lot when not on a counter attack. May be a tactic. Still definite starter. When he plays, he is brilliant.

McCurry - Possibly should have squared it with his goal chance. Not a starter.
O'Neill - Did ok. Not a starter.
McClure - Like the look of him, possibly him or McCann for midfield for the final.
McShane - Not sure what to make of him. Does some great things, and also some very strange decision making. Not necessarily yesterday. good squad option.
Rory Brennan - Would have him starting personally, think he is a fantastic footballer.

Would love to have seen us kick on and finish them of like Dublin or Kerry would have done, rather than start to sit back and invite them on to us which we did. They could have had 3/4 goals in about 20 minutes at the end. but we also missed our fair share of goal chances. So two things to work on stop goal openings and finish our own chances better.

Overall happy to be in another ulster Final, and bring it on.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 19, 2017, 12:38:44 PM
So "McNamee pooped up further up the field a lot."

I'm glad he doesn't shit on his own doorstep  ;D

Would agree with most of your player summaries there though I thought Morgans kick outs were excellent bar one that went over the line.

I think Conal McCann was a bit lost yesterday to be honest and didn't really get into the game.
I'd like to see him do well as I think he's usually good for a few scores.
That is the biggest positive and hope for me that we have a huge amount of players who can kick good points from far out and so we are not over reliant on any one or two players any more. Some say this is our problem that we don't have a clutch player any more but in todays highly defensive systems if your top forwards are held scoreless then if you can't get scores from elsewhere you are in trouble.

I think our FF line now is no longer really used for getting scores. Mattie and Sean mainly play out the field and yesterday Bradley was used to keep two Donegal defenders busy covering his runs while we played ball out the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on June 19, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 19, 2017, 11:05:03 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 19, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
It is strange though how reluctant Mickey is to use Lee Keegan. There must be some reason.

There's one very obvious reason!  ;)
Made me smile too...not sure when Mayo will release him to come and live in Tyrone Fuzzman, but I'm not sure our defence needs him at the minute, I was happy enough yesterday. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on June 19, 2017, 12:56:26 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 19, 2017, 12:38:44 PM
So "McNamee pooped up further up the field a lot."

I'm glad he doesn't shit on his own doorstep  ;D

Would agree with most of your player summaries there though I thought Morgans kick outs were excellent bar one that went over the line.

I think Conal McCann was a bit lost yesterday to be honest and didn't really get into the game.
I'd like to see him do well as I think he's usually good for a few scores.
That is the biggest positive and hope for me that we have a huge amount of players who can kick good points from far out and so we are not over reliant on any one or two players any more. Some say this is our problem that we don't have a clutch player any more but in todays highly defensive systems if your top forwards are held scoreless then if you can't get scores from elsewhere you are in trouble.

I think our FF line now is no longer really used for getting scores. Mattie and Sean mainly play out the field and yesterday Bradley was used to keep two Donegal defenders busy covering his runs while we played ball out the field.

There were times yesterday and other days Pete harte has done that job. If he was wearing 15 on his back he'd be seen as someone who can do a little magic and turn a game. I think it's a case of pundits looking for an excuse to mention Canavan, O'Neill or Muligan than talk about current players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 19, 2017, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2017, 10:51:31 AM
I forgot to mention T McCann who was excellent as well, especially according to one or two on here he's not good enough to be on the team. It wasn't Sean Cavanagh's best game missing a few chances but still think he was involved well and his driving run nearly sent Brennan through for a goal. He also comes out and can compete well around the middle. He'll be disappointed with his finish for the first goal chance.

Just think if Ciaran McGinley hadn't have went away due to work commitments there would be no such thing as T McCann.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 19, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
He would have just ceased to exist?  ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 19, 2017, 01:57:54 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 19, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
Made me smile too...not sure when Mayo will release him to come and live in Tyrone Fuzzman, but I'm not sure our defence needs him at the minute, I was happy enough yesterday.

Apparently he decided after his close encounters with Sean last August that we could find him a wife and a job minding sheep and he would eventually win his Celtic Cross.
Instead he put on Charlie Mulgrew against his old team and totally confused poor Donegal.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on June 19, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 19, 2017, 12:38:44 PM
So "McNamee pooped up further up the field a lot."

I'm glad he doesn't shit on his own doorstep  ;D

Would agree with most of your player summaries there though I thought Morgans kick outs were excellent bar one that went over the line.

I think Conal McCann was a bit lost yesterday to be honest and didn't really get into the game.
I'd like to see him do well as I think he's usually good for a few scores.
That is the biggest positive and hope for me that we have a huge amount of players who can kick good points from far out and so we are not over reliant on any one or two players any more. Some say this is our problem that we don't have a clutch player any more but in todays highly defensive systems if your top forwards are held scoreless then if you can't get scores from elsewhere you are in trouble.

I think our FF line now is no longer really used for getting scores. Mattie and Sean mainly play out the field and yesterday Bradley was used to keep two Donegal defenders busy covering his runs while we played ball out the field.

Woops ..... lol

The Morgan thing is a personal preference, I just think he is prone to a brain fart. Although maybe he has matured a little this year, as he has done well..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 19, 2017, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 19, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
He would have just ceased to exist?  ???

Exactly. Conall would have been the eldest in the house. Heir to the farm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 19, 2017, 11:52:50 PM
Morgan's kick outs were fantastic, looks like he'll be the number one now. However, it's great to have such good competition with Mickey waiting in the wings. Like the 00s again with Packie and John.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 20, 2017, 07:12:45 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 19, 2017, 11:52:50 PM
Morgan's kick outs were fantastic, looks like he'll be the number one now. However, it's great to have such good competition with Mickey waiting in the wings. Like the 00s again with Packie and John.

One thing Morgan is highly underrated on is how commanding he is under the high ball, made 3 or 4 excellent interventions on Sunday when hanging balls dropped into the box.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TheImpactCode on June 20, 2017, 08:10:54 AM
Morgan and Mark Anthony McGinley gave
an exhibition of goalkeeping on Sunday.

Still feel yer man Beggan is the top of the pile and
even ahead of cluxton
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 20, 2017, 08:36:16 AM
Quote from: TheImpactCode on June 20, 2017, 08:10:54 AM
Morgan and Mark Anthony McGinley gave
an exhibition of goalkeeping on Sunday.

Still feel yer man Beggan is the top of the pile and
even ahead of cluxton

Agree regarding Beggan, his free taking into the wind against Cavan was phenomenal!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 20, 2017, 10:06:39 AM
We noticed on Sunday in the warm up how the Donegal keeper was practising punching high balls out to the corner back position and he did one of these during the match. It must be a tactic not to catch it in the box and be under pressure but to punch it clear out to the already waiting corner back.

I thought Morgan did well on Sunday with his kickouts and that punch away where he hurt himself but did he actually make it good saves? Once the ball hit off his chest which he did well to block but I wouldn't have particular said he had showed a great exhibition of goal keeping. He has matured a bit though and doesn't seem to get involved as much.

McGinley had to make a lot more saves and did so even though most were hit at him.
Beggan's free taking as improved hugely and he's a massive presence in the goals.

I watched the game again last night and I still can't decide did Tiernan mean to score his goal like that or did he miss hit it. He did well to side step the keeper and not just blast it at him like Sean and Brennan did.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on June 20, 2017, 10:13:18 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 20, 2017, 10:06:39 AM
We noticed on Sunday in the warm up how the Donegal keeper was practising punching high balls out to the corner back position and he did one of these during the match. It must be a tactic not to catch it in the box and be under pressure but to punch it clear out to the already waiting corner back.

I thought Morgan did well on Sunday with his kickouts and that punch away where he hurt himself but did he actually make it good saves? Once the ball hit off his chest which he did well to block but I wouldn't have particular said he had showed a great exhibition of goal keeping. He has matured a bit though and doesn't seem to get involved as much.

McGinley had to make a lot more saves and did so even though most were hit at him.
Beggan's free taking as improved hugely and he's a massive presence in the goals.

I watched the game again last night and I still can't decide did Tiernan mean to score his goal like that or did he miss hit it. He did well to side step the keeper and not just blast it at him like Sean and Brennan did.

Had to be a miss hit. Nobody tries to kick the ball like that!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 20, 2017, 12:50:51 PM
Did I see Johnny Munroe togged out when the camera panned to bench???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 20, 2017, 12:52:12 PM
Think he was in the crowd
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on June 20, 2017, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on June 20, 2017, 12:50:51 PM
Did I see Johnny Munroe togged out when the camera panned to bench???

Nope you did not, was chatting to him after the game which he was at with his friends
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on June 20, 2017, 12:57:53 PM
Quote from: macca123 on June 20, 2017, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on June 20, 2017, 12:50:51 PM
Did I see Johnny Munroe togged out when the camera panned to bench???

Nope you did not, was chatting to him after the game which he was at with his friends

Pity i really had high hopes for Munroe...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 20, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
Interesting take on proceedings by Cahair O'Kane.
I'm amazed to read some people saying that Tyrone did nothing different on Sunday but I think they tried several different tactics. Our usual hand passing game wasn't very evident as we kick passed a lot more.

THE hype machine has propelled Tyrone from being a team with no forwards on Sunday morning to All-Ireland champions-in-waiting by sun down.

But as with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

This is a team that was in complete control against Dublin at Croke Park in February until Mark Bradley got sent off in the second half, that beat Monaghan the following week, yet would have needed bullet-proof glass to keep themselves sheltered from the reckless firing at them over the last two months.

The way they ended the National League was all the convincing people needed.

Tyrone have no forwards. They don't commit to the attack. They've learnt nothing from last year.

And even though they scored 0-22 against Derry, it was still a relatively unconvincing performance that did nothing to curtail the critics' enthusiasm.

It seems obvious now that they were actually toying with the Oak Leafers, so confident that they'd win the game that they saw no need to show their hand.

Yet anyone studying Tyrone's performances this year would have seen the blueprint that they broke out of the box on Sunday being prepared.

Even the night they were well beaten in Ballybofey in the League was telling. As Tyrone's players and management fretted over the lack of showers in MacCumhaill Park on a Baltic night, there seemed less angst about having lost the game.

Mickey Harte stood at the side of the away changing room door almost totally non-plussed, smiling even, in his post-match interview.

Sean Cavanagh was happy to talk Donegal up on to the list of contenders for silverware.

While Donegal were psyched for a significant league win, Tyrone were looking at the bigger picture.

Cavanagh was one of several players that had a spell at full-forward that night. Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly and Niall Sludden were all inside at various times as well.

The style was direct but a poor imitation of what we saw on Sunday.

Conditions were atrocious and so was Tyrone's supply of ball inside. Everything they kicked in broke down.

But through the torrential rain, they continued to chisel at it.

The precision just wasn't there. It had been three years since they'd tried to consistently play like that. It was going to take time.

The National League for Tyrone was the breeding ground for everything that came to pass on Sunday. They'd only play that way for a half here and a half there, careful to put all the pieces together away from plain sight.

And on Sunday, it all came together.

The sunshine, the glorious green sward, the lack of any meaningful wind, it all suited the style of play Tyrone brought to Clones.

All that 50-50 ball they'd kicked in Ballybofey had become 70-30 ball. One hop into space kind of ball that a forward like Mark Bradley loves.

It's a myth that they have been completely immune to the idea of kicking over the last three years.

They set out to kick against Mayo last year but grew frustrated and confused by its failure to work.

Mayo were happy after 15 minutes that Brendan Harrison had the measure of Ronan O'Neill. The green and red shirts were able to defend in a different shape.

Their spare men were able to push out and make tackles on the runners. Kevin McLoughlin, having struggled all summer to cut ball out, didn't need to any more. He pushed out and made tackles on his own 45 all day.

Tyrone didn't kick the ball because kicking it wasn't working. It was coming straight back and allowing Mayo to hammer them on the counter-attack.

Critical to the whole venture on Sunday, and now the rest of the summer, was Mark Bradley. He lost the first two balls but won everything else and pulled Donegal around with his corner-to-corner runs.

They had to protect against him because he was giving Paddy McGrath bother. That Tyrone were prepared to use those runs and feed him the ball in turn opened the space for Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte and Niall Sludden in particular.

Donegal were the first team to see the full jigsaw and they didn't know what to do. They ended up neither covering their full-back line nor coming out to meet runners. They did nothing as Tyrone ran in 1-21 and missed five clear goal chances.

They've hit a record 1-43 in two games but Sunday was one of those days when absolutely everything Tyrone kicked went over the bar.

No matter were it from the sideline, from the corner flag, from 50 yards, one after the other the shots sailed between Mark Anthony McGinley's posts.

Monaghan, should they beat Down, will look at it and see a lack of defensive pressure on the shot, and rightly so. You can be sure Darren Hughes and Gavin Doogan won't be sitting back in the pocket watching Mattie Donnelly and Niall Sludden stroll about picking off scores.

Missing five goal chances removes their performance from the 'perfect' bracket and moves into the 'very, very good' box.

Does anyone think that if they get through Saturday night, Malachy O'Rourke won't be sitting lapping up all this hype as he ruggedly prepares one of Ireland's meanest defences to face a team that's ruined its All-Ireland dreams twice?

Tyrone would not blitz Monaghan the way they blitzed Donegal. They aren't going to railroad all in their path to win the All-Ireland. It's conceivable that they won't even win Ulster.

If they go out on July 16 and it's teeming from the heavens and there's a gale blowing towards Monaghan town, they will have to adapt all over again.

For the first time, they look as though they'll be able to.

And for that reason, they will be very definitely in the mix for serious silverware.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 20, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 20, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
Interesting take on proceedings by Cahair O'Kane.
I'm amazed to read some people saying that Tyrone did nothing different on Sunday but I think they tried several different tactics. Our usual hand passing game wasn't very evident as we kick passed a lot more.

THE hype machine has propelled Tyrone from being a team with no forwards on Sunday morning to All-Ireland champions-in-waiting by sun down.

But as with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

This is a team that was in complete control against Dublin at Croke Park in February until Mark Bradley got sent off in the second half, that beat Monaghan the following week, yet would have needed bullet-proof glass to keep themselves sheltered from the reckless firing at them over the last two months.

The way they ended the National League was all the convincing people needed.

Tyrone have no forwards. They don't commit to the attack. They've learnt nothing from last year.

And even though they scored 0-22 against Derry, it was still a relatively unconvincing performance that did nothing to curtail the critics' enthusiasm.

It seems obvious now that they were actually toying with the Oak Leafers, so confident that they'd win the game that they saw no need to show their hand.

Yet anyone studying Tyrone's performances this year would have seen the blueprint that they broke out of the box on Sunday being prepared.

Even the night they were well beaten in Ballybofey in the League was telling. As Tyrone's players and management fretted over the lack of showers in MacCumhaill Park on a Baltic night, there seemed less angst about having lost the game.

Mickey Harte stood at the side of the away changing room door almost totally non-plussed, smiling even, in his post-match interview.

Sean Cavanagh was happy to talk Donegal up on to the list of contenders for silverware.

While Donegal were psyched for a significant league win, Tyrone were looking at the bigger picture.

Cavanagh was one of several players that had a spell at full-forward that night. Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly and Niall Sludden were all inside at various times as well.

The style was direct but a poor imitation of what we saw on Sunday.

Conditions were atrocious and so was Tyrone's supply of ball inside. Everything they kicked in broke down.

But through the torrential rain, they continued to chisel at it.

The precision just wasn't there. It had been three years since they'd tried to consistently play like that. It was going to take time.

The National League for Tyrone was the breeding ground for everything that came to pass on Sunday. They'd only play that way for a half here and a half there, careful to put all the pieces together away from plain sight.

And on Sunday, it all came together.

The sunshine, the glorious green sward, the lack of any meaningful wind, it all suited the style of play Tyrone brought to Clones.

All that 50-50 ball they'd kicked in Ballybofey had become 70-30 ball. One hop into space kind of ball that a forward like Mark Bradley loves.

It's a myth that they have been completely immune to the idea of kicking over the last three years.

They set out to kick against Mayo last year but grew frustrated and confused by its failure to work.

Mayo were happy after 15 minutes that Brendan Harrison had the measure of Ronan O'Neill. The green and red shirts were able to defend in a different shape.

Their spare men were able to push out and make tackles on the runners. Kevin McLoughlin, having struggled all summer to cut ball out, didn't need to any more. He pushed out and made tackles on his own 45 all day.

Tyrone didn't kick the ball because kicking it wasn't working. It was coming straight back and allowing Mayo to hammer them on the counter-attack.

Critical to the whole venture on Sunday, and now the rest of the summer, was Mark Bradley. He lost the first two balls but won everything else and pulled Donegal around with his corner-to-corner runs.

They had to protect against him because he was giving Paddy McGrath bother. That Tyrone were prepared to use those runs and feed him the ball in turn opened the space for Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte and Niall Sludden in particular.

Donegal were the first team to see the full jigsaw and they didn't know what to do. They ended up neither covering their full-back line nor coming out to meet runners. They did nothing as Tyrone ran in 1-21 and missed five clear goal chances.

They've hit a record 1-43 in two games but Sunday was one of those days when absolutely everything Tyrone kicked went over the bar.

No matter were it from the sideline, from the corner flag, from 50 yards, one after the other the shots sailed between Mark Anthony McGinley's posts.

Monaghan, should they beat Down, will look at it and see a lack of defensive pressure on the shot, and rightly so. You can be sure Darren Hughes and Gavin Doogan won't be sitting back in the pocket watching Mattie Donnelly and Niall Sludden stroll about picking off scores.

Missing five goal chances removes their performance from the 'perfect' bracket and moves into the 'very, very good' box.

Does anyone think that if they get through Saturday night, Malachy O'Rourke won't be sitting lapping up all this hype as he ruggedly prepares one of Ireland's meanest defences to face a team that's ruined its All-Ireland dreams twice?

Tyrone would not blitz Monaghan the way they blitzed Donegal. They aren't going to railroad all in their path to win the All-Ireland. It's conceivable that they won't even win Ulster.

If they go out on July 16 and it's teeming from the heavens and there's a gale blowing towards Monaghan town, they will have to adapt all over again.

For the first time, they look as though they'll be able to.

And for that reason, they will be very definitely in the mix for serious silverware.

We kicked the ball because we were allowed kick it, there was plenty of space for Bradley to run into.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 20, 2017, 05:02:00 PM
We have not changed, we have just got better at what we are doing, there was space to kick to and our big players stepped up.

People who are saying we have changed are those slobbering that we needed to change and are now trying to vindicate their position.

This board has got an awful lot quieter the last few days
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on June 20, 2017, 10:59:08 PM
Where are the haters now ???? f**king hiding that's where. Stay there please and don't come back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 20, 2017, 11:46:41 PM
Morgan took serious time taking his kick outs on Sunday. Nothing was rushed. Tyrone also mixed their tactics much more.

The tactics were definately different. The confusing thing for me is how did that make us much more lethal in front of the posts. Had we more time and space? Didn't seem like it. Where we more confident? Perhaps.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 21, 2017, 10:03:14 AM
I think you've hit the nail on the head there Norf in that we mixed it up a hell of a lot more.
We went from being a robotic machine where everyone knew we would take short kick outs, we would run the ball all the time, we would concede the short kick outs to a style of we'll play it as we see it and sometimes we'll run it and sometimes we'll kick it in to Bradley or whoever was in. I often saw Petey playing in FF as well.

I think Bradley's movement inside from corner to corner kept Donegal guessing to would we kick it in and if so to which side or would we run it. We were hitting a lot more diagonal balls in as well which we don't usually do.

I think it's crazy some people can't see we definitely played quite different to how we usually do but maybe part of that was because Donegal pushed up a lot more on our kickouts so we bypassed half their team with long kickouts.

Down will be a lot more prepared for that now of course.  :o

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on June 21, 2017, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 20, 2017, 11:46:41 PM
Morgan took serious time taking his kick outs on Sunday. Nothing was rushed. Tyrone also mixed their tactics much more.

The tactics were definately different. The confusing thing for me is how did that make us much more lethal in front of the posts. Had we more time and space? Didn't seem like it. Where we more confident? Perhaps.

He only took his time after Tyrone got on top. In most of the first half, they where out within 5-6 seconds and resulted in the first goal chance for Sean Cavanagh. If you watch the game back, the replays where still showing while Morgan had the ball already in play. He had no reason to rush them once the game was in their hands.
All in all, his kickouts where impressive on the day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 21, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
The replays were driving me nuts on Sunday missed so much action cos BBC were playing several replays. Maybe I should just jump on the bandwagon now and go to the final at least I'll see everything!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 21, 2017, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 21, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
The replays were driving me nuts on Sunday missed so much action cos BBC were playing several replays. Maybe I should just jump on the bandwagon now and go to the final at least I'll see everything!

You answered my point.  Get to the game and you wont be relying on a producer or an editor.  Then when you come home you can watch the Sunday game for analysis
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 21, 2017, 01:03:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 21, 2017, 10:03:14 AM
I think you've hit the nail on the head there Norf in that we mixed it up a hell of a lot more.
We went from being a robotic machine where everyone knew we would take short kick outs, we would run the ball all the time, we would concede the short kick outs to a style of we'll play it as we see it and sometimes we'll run it and sometimes we'll kick it in to Bradley or whoever was in. I often saw Petey playing in FF as well.

I think Bradley's movement inside from corner to corner kept Donegal guessing to would we kick it in and if so to which side or would we run it. We were hitting a lot more diagonal balls in as well which we don't usually do.

I think it's crazy some people can't see we definitely played quite different to how we usually do but maybe part of that was because Donegal pushed up a lot more on our kickouts so we bypassed half their team with long kickouts.

Down will be a lot more prepared for that now of course.  :o

Nonsense, they did not play different, things clicked and Donegal were poor, simple as. I think you are saying the played different based on kicking more. They will always kick if it is on just won't take stupid chances. That is the only thing you are basing it on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 21, 2017, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 21, 2017, 01:03:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 21, 2017, 10:03:14 AM
I think you've hit the nail on the head there Norf in that we mixed it up a hell of a lot more.
We went from being a robotic machine where everyone knew we would take short kick outs, we would run the ball all the time, we would concede the short kick outs to a style of we'll play it as we see it and sometimes we'll run it and sometimes we'll kick it in to Bradley or whoever was in. I often saw Petey playing in FF as well.

I think Bradley's movement inside from corner to corner kept Donegal guessing to would we kick it in and if so to which side or would we run it. We were hitting a lot more diagonal balls in as well which we don't usually do.

I think it's crazy some people can't see we definitely played quite different to how we usually do but maybe part of that was because Donegal pushed up a lot more on our kickouts so we bypassed half their team with long kickouts.

Down will be a lot more prepared for that now of course.  :o

Nonsense, they did not play different, things clicked and Donegal were poor, simple as. I think you are saying the played different based on kicking more. They will always kick if it is on just won't take stupid chances. That is the only thing you are basing it on.

Pushing up on the opposition kickout and a focus on winning primary possession around the middle was definitely a shift from previous years. In terms of attacking we definitely pushing forward quicker than in last years games v Donegal and Mayo. But as I said previously on the board we had scored heavily in the games before that and attacked more in numbers but struggled against the big teams to get the balance correct.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 21, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
RHD would you not say that last year we tended to kick the ball out short most of the time and try to work the ball up to the other teams 40 where we would be hit with a wall of defenders and then we would probe and be patient for an opening to occur.
When you say it clicked for Tyrone what precisely do you mean? Do you mean we were getting the scores from far out that we were missing last year? I think we did but it's because we were finding more space. When we beat broke the line there wasn't another 3 men standing waiting for the next tackle this time.

On Sunday Donegal pushed up to pressurise our short kickouts so Morgan then hit them long towards Colm most of the time as he was in excellent fielding form. Also a few times he flicked them on to a runner which meant we were inside Donegals half with a lot less bodies to get past.
To me this is a HUGE change in game plan and maybe it would not have happened if Donegal hadn't of pushed so many men up on our kickouts.

Also by Sean and Mattie coming out the field meant their men followed them so McGrath stayed in to mark Bradley with mostly McGlynn playing in front of him trying to stop the pass into him.
Bradley is quite clever and makes a lot better runs that Sean or Mattie so he was pointing to where he wants it and often Mattie or someone would kick it into him quite early, don't you agree? He didn't always win it or use it to his best ability but the point is this was a huge change from how we usually never kick the ball into the FF line at all but work it slowly up the field with passes often backwards to the man on the shoulder until we get into a shooting position.

I would admit though that maybe some of our more attack minded tactics did stem from Donegal not leaving so many men back behind the ball and maybe they decided after last year that they needed to kick off the shackles and push more men forward. However, by doing so they gave Tyrone a lot more room to attack and break the tackle on the 40. We then had the option to kick it in to Bradley or to shoot from far out under little pressure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 21, 2017, 02:49:29 PM
I thought Morgan did take his time with some kick outs and deliberately too.. Gave Donegal time to push up and then he went long. If Tyrone won the ball they had a very dangerous attacking position...well worked on practice pitch and definitely outwitted Donegal (in fact they did to Donegal what Donegal did to Dublin a few years ago).

Now Monaghan will be aware of this and I would imagine they wont press Tyrone kick outs and set up a defensive wall that will be hard to break down. They will also be more intense in the tackle, turn Tyrone over more and be more dangerous on the break.

Its another interesting tactical battle for Mickey and Co but they have shown they can mix things up. If Tyrone get an early lead in the final they will be able to impose their game plan on Monaghan and we can look forward to another sparkling display but if Monaghan can keep it tight then we will have to see if we can do something different than against Mayo last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on June 22, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned ... but what's with tyrones attire heading to games , is this a new 'beard thing' ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on June 22, 2017, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: leenie on June 22, 2017, 03:26:13 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned ... but what's with tyrones attire heading to games , is this a new 'beard thing' ?

They started this last year - seems a bit weird alright but I suppose if Cuba are going to pay you to wear their stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 22, 2017, 04:39:46 PM
Whether it's the beards, saying the rosary or wearing the same threads it's all about group psychology. We're all in this together sort of thing, don't know how much impact it has.

Although I did hear that the reason Johnny Munroe dropped off the panel was him and big Sean got into a row over who was going to lead the rosary down in Carton house. Got very messy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 22, 2017, 05:08:02 PM
Quote from: EastTyrone on June 22, 2017, 03:31:08 PM

They started this last year - seems a bit weird alright but I suppose if Cuba are going to pay you to wear their stuff.

What's weird about it? If they are getting sponsored to wear their clothes then why would they turn it down.
I think it looks well that they all look so well presented when they arrive at event or matches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: leenie on June 22, 2017, 06:45:43 PM
As a female looking on I think to myself what's wrong in wearing their training tops the same as the lads from our clubs in tyrone do when they are going to play the majority of the year ... buts that's my opinion ... be great if Cuba could put money into helping out local teams .. sure it's them lads that would be buying in it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on June 22, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
They are wearing clothes supplied/sponsored by Cuba cos their training gear fund was cut last year and they looked alternative sponsorship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 23, 2017, 11:08:56 AM
Quote from: Bring back club football on June 22, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
They are wearing clothes supplied/sponsored by Cuba cos their training gear fund was cut last year and they looked alternative sponsorship.

Ballicks lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 23, 2017, 11:51:48 AM
So when you say the players get paid to wear cuba stuff is each player getting cash and clothes?

Didn't realise Cuba where that big an outfit (pun intended)

PS are there any old school players in the squad these days that would detest this carry on or are we now fully spice boyed???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on June 23, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
Who gives a shite if they are wearing an O'Neills polo top or a shirt from cuba?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 23, 2017, 01:56:07 PM
We bate Donegal, so now we are down to giving off about their pre game attire.

:)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 23, 2017, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 23, 2017, 01:56:07 PM
We bate Donegal, so now we are down to giving off about their pre game attire.

:)

Cuba gear is pure dort, it'll cost us against a decent outfit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 23, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 23, 2017, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 23, 2017, 01:56:07 PM
We bate Donegal, so now we are down to giving off about their pre game attire.

:)

Cuba gear is pure dort, it'll cost us against a decent outfit

:D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on June 25, 2017, 08:37:48 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/article35863973.ece  Jim Gavin following the same path as micky by the looks of things but for a lot more trivial reason ......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 25, 2017, 09:31:14 PM
Sean Cavanagh pick up an injury today?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 25, 2017, 09:55:29 PM
Lee Brennan 4-4 v Urney
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 10:55:32 AM
I've noticed a lot of articles from various sources making reference to Lee Brennan and how they are all waiting to see how good he really is on the big stage. I wonder by not playing him more, is it raising expectation even more.

I reckon Mickey just feels he doesn't fit into the system the way he wants him too. I would be nice to see him get 20 mins against Down in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:59:30 AM
The game against Down should realistically be in the bag shortly after half time (if we are to have realistic expectations of winning Sam).

Without doubt MH doesnt think he can play the role required but like you Fuzzman I would love to see him give him a run out after we have the result sorted. Even if it is just to keep him interested.

His tally this season in some of his club games really is phenomenal and absolutely warrants game time for the county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 26, 2017, 11:01:26 AM
True Taylor. No other player in the county would rack up the scores he has in games so far this season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 11:07:57 AM
Taylor, it's good that you feel that positive about our chances against Down but have you not noticed that games rarely go as you expect them to as Monaghan and Donegal found out the last 2 weeks.
Not many of us would have expected to be so far ahead of Donegal at half time and Ulster finals are never easy won.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
Monaghan were caught on the hop. Complacency of the highest order and you can be sure it wont happen with MH in charge.
If they were to play again Monaghan would win 9 times out of 10. Even completely underperforming they still should have had a draw at the end.

We have a different look to us this year - the system has been refined and we are scoring at will.

Any more word on Sean getting a knock?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2017, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
Monaghan were caught on the hop. Complacency of the highest order and you can be sure it wont happen with MH in charge.
If they were to play again Monaghan would win 9 times out of 10. Even completely underperforming they still should have had a draw at the end.

We have a different look to us this year - the system has been refined and we are scoring at will.

Any more word on Sean getting a knock?

Sean is fine.  I heard he only left the field because he was black carded not because of any injury
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on June 28, 2017, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2017, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
Monaghan were caught on the hop. Complacency of the highest order and you can be sure it wont happen with MH in charge.
If they were to play again Monaghan would win 9 times out of 10. Even completely underperforming they still should have had a draw at the end.

We have a different look to us this year - the system has been refined and we are scoring at will.

Any more word on Sean getting a knock?

Sean is fine.  I heard he only left the field because he was black carded not because of any injury

A Moy man told me yesterday that he had staples in his head? He would be grand for the Ulster Final if that was the case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on June 28, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Max Payne on June 28, 2017, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2017, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
Monaghan were caught on the hop. Complacency of the highest order and you can be sure it wont happen with MH in charge.
If they were to play again Monaghan would win 9 times out of 10. Even completely underperforming they still should have had a draw at the end.

We have a different look to us this year - the system has been refined and we are scoring at will.

Any more word on Sean getting a knock?

Sean is fine.  I heard he only left the field because he was black carded not because of any injury

A Moy man told me yesterday that he had staples in his head? He would be grand for the Ulster Final if that was the case.

Cavanagh took a massive hit against Eglish, Both players had to leave the fireld of play!!
I could near guarantee he wont train for a week or maybe 2 now if there was concussion, be interesting to see if it affects him and Down will certaininly have heard of it and will target a big hit!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 28, 2017, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on June 28, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Max Payne on June 28, 2017, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2017, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
Monaghan were caught on the hop. Complacency of the highest order and you can be sure it wont happen with MH in charge.
If they were to play again Monaghan would win 9 times out of 10. Even completely underperforming they still should have had a draw at the end.

We have a different look to us this year - the system has been refined and we are scoring at will.

Any more word on Sean getting a knock?

Sean is fine.  I heard he only left the field because he was black carded not because of any injury

A Moy man told me yesterday that he had staples in his head? He would be grand for the Ulster Final if that was the case.

Cavanagh took a massive hit against Eglish, Both players had to leave the fireld of play!!
I could near guarantee he wont train for a week or maybe 2 now if there was concussion, be interesting to see if it affects him and Down will certaininly have heard of it and will target a big hit!

Checked this out again..... Sean only left the field because he was given a black card by the ref, he would of continued the game but for that decision!!  He's fine, absolutely nothing to worry about.  Won't matter if Down target to hit him, most teams do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 28, 2017, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on June 28, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Max Payne on June 28, 2017, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2017, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
Monaghan were caught on the hop. Complacency of the highest order and you can be sure it wont happen with MH in charge.
If they were to play again Monaghan would win 9 times out of 10. Even completely underperforming they still should have had a draw at the end.

We have a different look to us this year - the system has been refined and we are scoring at will.

Any more word on Sean getting a knock?

Sean is fine.  I heard he only left the field because he was black carded not because of any injury

A Moy man told me yesterday that he had staples in his head? He would be grand for the Ulster Final if that was the case.

Cavanagh took a massive hit against Eglish, Both players had to leave the fireld of play!!
I could near guarantee he wont train for a week or maybe 2 now if there was concussion, be interesting to see if it affects him and Down will certaininly have heard of it and will target a big hit!

Sean has been a target for 15 years and doesn't seem to annoy him so why start worrying now....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on June 29, 2017, 10:59:48 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 28, 2017, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on June 28, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Max Payne on June 28, 2017, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2017, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
Monaghan were caught on the hop. Complacency of the highest order and you can be sure it wont happen with MH in charge.
If they were to play again Monaghan would win 9 times out of 10. Even completely underperforming they still should have had a draw at the end.

We have a different look to us this year - the system has been refined and we are scoring at will.

Any more word on Sean getting a knock?

Sean is fine.  I heard he only left the field because he was black carded not because of any injury

A Moy man told me yesterday that he had staples in his head? He would be grand for the Ulster Final if that was the case.

Cavanagh took a massive hit against Eglish, Both players had to leave the fireld of play!!
I could near guarantee he wont train for a week or maybe 2 now if there was concussion, be interesting to see if it affects him and Down will certaininly have heard of it and will target a big hit!

Sean has been a target for 15 years and doesn't seem to annoy him so why start worrying now....

Well if your going by his recent performances it is affecting him as he hasn't been good..
But with his experience I wouldnt be surprised if he comes up trumos and is MOTM in the final! Big game player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 02, 2017, 07:48:54 PM
Heard Colm Cavanagh was carried off today in the 1st half of today's club game with a leg injury and Sean didn't play. Any updates on these men?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on July 03, 2017, 08:11:25 AM
Maybe playing for the Moy is not glamourous enough for the Cavanagh lads??? Same for a lot of other county men throughout the county....?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 03, 2017, 08:30:48 AM
Quote from: driveherin on July 03, 2017, 08:11:25 AM
Maybe playing for the Moy is not glamourous enough for the Cavanagh lads??? Same for a lot of other county men throughout the county....?

I'd say that's balls.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
Quote from: driveherin on July 03, 2017, 08:11:25 AM
Maybe playing for the Moy is not glamourous enough for the Cavanagh lads??? Same for a lot of other county men throughout the county....?

What a load of nonsense.

You are basing this comment on what?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on July 03, 2017, 08:49:45 AM
Quote from: driveherin on July 03, 2017, 08:11:25 AM
Maybe playing for the Moy is not glamourous enough for the Cavanagh lads??? Same for a lot of other county men throughout the county....?

And what would that be based on? They both had played all the games with the Moy before yesterday. Sean went off after a heavy collision last week and had to get staples in his head. Colm was carried off the field yesterday struggling to walk. But sure don't let the facts get in the way of a good begrudging opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on July 03, 2017, 09:35:15 AM
it has always been said that the Cavanagh's aren't great clubmen. Be interesting to see how long Sean stays on after finishing up his county career this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 09:39:34 AM
Quote from: driveherin on July 03, 2017, 09:35:15 AM
it has always been said that the Cavanagh's aren't great clubmen. Be interesting to see how long Sean stays on after finishing up his county career this year

Its always been said by who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on July 03, 2017, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: driveherin on July 03, 2017, 09:35:15 AM
it has always been said that the Cavanagh's aren't great clubmen. Be interesting to see how long Sean stays on after finishing up his county career this year

They've both been playing for their club seniors since they were about 16 and other than the starred games miss very few games. They've dragged the Moy through plenty of games over the years.

Like yourself I've no idea what Sean's intentions are after this year but would it make him less of a club man if he quit? He's now 34, has a few young children and has just started up a new business. There is very few club players left playing at 35 and over and I'm sure the one's who aren't well known don't get labelled as not being a club man for quitting at that age.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 03, 2017, 11:28:39 AM
After the weekends football I started to re evaluate where Tyrone are at.

Going into both Derry and Donegal game I wasn't overly confident but with Tyrone beating both by approx 10 points and considering how other fixtures have went since I think Tyrone may be a lot better than I was giving them credit for at the start of the year.

I might book some time off work in September  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 03, 2017, 12:54:07 PM
Colm is a very important cog in the wheel who has shown great commitment to both club and county.Hope to see him run out sunday week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 01:04:35 PM
To be fair and realistic we could rest both boys and still win handsomely.

Would rather have them flying from 1/4 final onwards than risking them in Ulster Final when we have no need to
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 03, 2017, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 03, 2017, 11:28:39 AM
After the weekends football I started to re evaluate where Tyrone are at.

Going into both Derry and Donegal game I wasn't overly confident but with Tyrone beating both by approx 10 points and considering how other fixtures have went since I think Tyrone may be a lot better than I was giving them credit for at the start of the year.

I might book some time off work in September  ;D

I would have read the complete opposite considering Donegal's performance against Longford.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 03, 2017, 02:06:39 PM
I think Derry played better against Mayo than we thought they would and Donegal are indeed a shadow of the team we thought they were.
Looking at the marks they got for their game on Sat there are a lot of 5s and 6s.
Donegal - MA McGinley 6; P McGrath 7, N McGee 7, C Ward 6; E McHugh 7, R McHugh 5, E Gallagher 5; M Murphy 6, J McGee 5; M Carroll 5, F McGlynn 6, M Langan 5; C Thompson 6, P McBrearty 7, M O'Reilly 5.

It's so very hard to judge where you're at until you come up against a team of similar ability and I think most of us thought Donegal & Monaghan were at that level but it looks like they were not.
How good Down is will be interesting to see in 2 weeks time. I expect us to beat them but not as convincingly as some think. They remind me of Mayo in that in early rounds they can be slow to get out of the blocks but once they get a bit of momentum they can be hard to stop.
You would hope our experienced defensive system will frustrate them and strip them off the ball around out 40 and it will then depend how well we use that ball on the break.

I think we will beat Down and possible meet Kildare or whoever beats them. We seem more balanced in our attack/defence this year so far. It will be weird should we beat Down by 10+ points as I don't remember anyone winning Ulster so convincingly before.

Kerry looked very good I thought in the first 20 mins v Cork but then again how much space did they get.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 03, 2017, 02:40:43 PM
It is impossible to judge. I think the kicking we give Donegal would have knocked their youngers players but more importantly the older guys who probably realise its an end of an era! Very hard to recover from but they got the win and a good draw again.

Down should be a easy enough win but that's when tyrone have slipped up before. Its hard not to think that though given the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 03, 2017, 02:40:43 PM
It is impossible to judge. I think the kicking we give Donegal would have knocked their youngers players but more importantly the older guys who probably realise its an end of an era! Very hard to recover from but they got the win and a good draw again.

Down should be a easy enough win but that's when tyrone have slipped up before. Its hard not to think that though given the last couple of years.

We wont slip up.
MH will have all thoughts of complacency erased from our heads.

Kildare would be a test but nothing more.

Im with WT4E & looking at September holidays  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 03, 2017, 03:13:06 PM
Taylor dont think resting players on Sunday week is on the agenda.Down be fired up and have some nice ball players who are capable as they showed against Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 04:43:42 PM
Disagree Skeog.
Down bring a physical game, full of passion but very little actual football talent.

Tell me who on that Down team would get on our team?

Armagh are v poor and Monaghan were caught on an off day.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 03, 2017, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 04:43:42 PM
Disagree Skeog.
Down bring a physical game, full of passion but very little actual football talent.

Tell me who on that Down team would get on our team?

Armagh are v poor and Monaghan were caught on an off day.

Don't like to be complacent but I find myself in agreement with Taylor.  Tyrone should do a job on Down in the Ulster final.  Kerry trounced a poor Cork side, that is now the level of performance required by Tyrone.   If you said to MH at the start of the year you will have Down in the Ulster Final he would of took your hand off.  MH will deliver another title that he can add to his CV and make his case for an extension to his term as manager.

Tyrone then will have to beat a Kerry/Mayo/Dublin to show that progression
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 03, 2017, 05:50:23 PM
Shhhhhh.... Tyrone GAA
Comments like that will bring out you know who.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 03, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Mickey Harte confirmed Colly Cavanagh got injured st the weekend but scans have revealed no cruciate damage. He said it's an impact injury and he should be ok for the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 03, 2017, 05:50:23 PM
Shhhhhh.... Tyrone GAA
Comments like that will bring out you know who.

??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 04, 2017, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 03, 2017, 05:50:23 PM
Shhhhhh.... Tyrone GAA
Comments like that will bring out you know who.

??

Think he's talking about those critical of MH and his future position as Manager.  I have to say I was sceptical after the way we finished our league campaign and the past few years.  However I'm happy to say the football we have played to date has me back in MH's camp and hopefully he can lead us to success at Croke Park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 04, 2017, 09:23:26 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 04, 2017, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 03, 2017, 05:50:23 PM
Shhhhhh.... Tyrone GAA
Comments like that will bring out you know who.

??

Think he's talking about those critical of MH and his future position as Manager.  I have to say I was sceptical after the way we finished our league campaign and the past few years.  However I'm happy to say the football we have played to date has me back in MH's camp and hopefully he can lead us to success at Croke Park.

I'm starting to sway back into the MH camp but I still think he needs to beat one of the  so called top 3 teams to show progress this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 04, 2017, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 04, 2017, 09:23:26 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 04, 2017, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 03, 2017, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 03, 2017, 05:50:23 PM
Shhhhhh.... Tyrone GAA
Comments like that will bring out you know who.

??

Due to the draw the only way he is going to do that is by beating the number 1 side Dublin. Won't get an opportunity to play the other two of the top three unless take out the Dubs. Hopefully we can get through the next two games and get a crack at them.

Southtyronegael and his mates will be back after the next defeat whenever that happens to be.

Think he's talking about those critical of MH and his future position as Manager.  I have to say I was sceptical after the way we finished our league campaign and the past few years.  However I'm happy to say the football we have played to date has me back in MH's camp and hopefully he can lead us to success at Croke Park.

I'm starting to sway back into the MH camp but I still think he needs to beat one of the  so called top 3 teams to show progress this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 04, 2017, 09:47:57 AM
Only top team he has beat in the championship since 2008 is Donegal who were more defensive than his setup last year and useless this year. Though Tyrone have been much more attacking this year. Still can't see them beat Kerry or Dublin and Mayo seem to have the jinx on them. Maybe Mayo this time if they meet. To win All Ireland will have to beat Kerry and Dublin as they are on opposite side of semi-finals assuming Dubs win Leinster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 04, 2017, 10:39:43 AM
If MH was gone, who realistically would replace him that would be able to surpass what he is currently delivering?

Because there is no point in getting someone new in just to deliver a status quo

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 10:48:37 AM
Mickey doesn't see himself as leaving anyway.
From the Irish Indo

Mickey Harte has no doubt he will be managing Tyrone beyond this summer.

Harte is in the last year of his current agreement with the county board, the first time that has happened in his 15-year reign, which prompted speculation this year would be his last.

However Harte, attempting to win a sixth Ulster SFC title on Sunday week, insists: "I've never believed that it should be and I don't believe that it will be.

"It doesn't feel like that to me, I don't even think that way," said the three-time All-Ireland winning manager.

"Lots of other people might feel or think that it should be my last year but with the help of God it won't be and I'll still be around here to proceed with what I'm doing at the minute."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on July 04, 2017, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 10:48:37 AM
Mickey doesn't see himself as leaving anyway.
From the Irish Indo

Mickey Harte has no doubt he will be managing Tyrone beyond this summer.

Harte is in the last year of his current agreement with the county board, the first time that has happened in his 15-year reign, which prompted speculation this year would be his last.

However Harte, attempting to win a sixth Ulster SFC title on Sunday week, insists: "I've never believed that it should be and I don't believe that it will be.

"It doesn't feel like that to me, I don't even think that way," said the three-time All-Ireland winning manager.

"Lots of other people might feel or think that it should be my last year but with the help of God it won't be and I'll still be around here to proceed with what I'm doing at the minute."

You gotta love his humility
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 04, 2017, 11:11:46 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 10:48:37 AM
Mickey doesn't see himself as leaving anyway.
From the Irish Indo

Mickey Harte has no doubt he will be managing Tyrone beyond this summer.

Harte is in the last year of his current agreement with the county board, the first time that has happened in his 15-year reign, which prompted speculation this year would be his last.

However Harte, attempting to win a sixth Ulster SFC title on Sunday week, insists: "I've never believed that it should be and I don't believe that it will be.

"It doesn't feel like that to me, I don't even think that way," said the three-time All-Ireland winning manager.

"Lots of other people might feel or think that it should be my last year but with the help of God it won't be and I'll still be around here to proceed with what I'm doing at the minute."

Its perhaps that untouchable attitude that doesn't sit well with the county board/committee.  MH has to sit up and note that his request for an extended period of management was rejected.  If Tyrone keep performing well I don't see the need for any change.  But like other contributors have mentioned one loss or poor performance and the knives will be out.   

I have never publically criticised MH nor will I, he has brought us great success, but he isn't untouchable either. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 04, 2017, 11:13:55 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 04, 2017, 11:11:46 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 10:48:37 AM
Mickey doesn't see himself as leaving anyway.
From the Irish Indo

Mickey Harte has no doubt he will be managing Tyrone beyond this summer.

Harte is in the last year of his current agreement with the county board, the first time that has happened in his 15-year reign, which prompted speculation this year would be his last.

However Harte, attempting to win a sixth Ulster SFC title on Sunday week, insists: "I've never believed that it should be and I don't believe that it will be.

"It doesn't feel like that to me, I don't even think that way," said the three-time All-Ireland winning manager.

"Lots of other people might feel or think that it should be my last year but with the help of God it won't be and I'll still be around here to proceed with what I'm doing at the minute."

Its perhaps that untouchable attitude that doesn't sit well with the county board/committee.  MH has to sit up and note that his request for an extended period of management was rejected.  If Tyrone keep performing well I don't see the need for any change.  But like other contributors have mentioned one loss or poor performance and the knives will be out.   

I have never publically criticised MH nor will I, he has brought us great success, but he isn't untouchable either.

Agree - no one should be untouchable but we have to be realistic if/when replacing him.

We should be looking to go to the next level if/when this happens - there is no point changing to stay the same or even regress
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
I think it's important to know are the players happy with how things are going and their relationship with Mickey.

Rumours tend to circulate when things are not going well whereas there does seem to be a positive feeling this year that we have moved away a bit from the very defensive ponderous attacking system and find ourselves in a consecutive Ulster final with a great chance to put back to back Ulster titles.
Most of us agree that we should win that game and so it's very hard to argue Mickey has built another successful team. It would be brave to not give him a new contract having won back to back Ulsters, even if we do go on to lose to Dublin or Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 04, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
I think it's important to know are the players happy with how things are going and their relationship with Mickey.

Rumours tend to circulate when things are not going well whereas there does seem to be a positive feeling this year that we have moved away a bit from the very defensive ponderous attacking system and find ourselves in a consecutive Ulster final with a great chance to put back to back Ulster titles.
Most of us agree that we should win that game and so it's very hard to argue Mickey has built another successful team. It would be brave to not give him a new contract having won back to back Ulsters, even if we do go on to lose to Dublin or Kerry.

That may well be the case, but it will come down to the manner of the defeat.  If it was a close encounter that could of swung either way then id fully expect Micky will be supported, however if we were embarrassed say 5/6 + and never looked like we could compete then back to back Ulsters may not be enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 04, 2017, 07:48:06 PM
ok lads yous have managed to draw me out. according to mickey in the irish news today he is going nowhere  this year no matter what happens and he never had any intention of going anywhere. we may just stand the county board/commitee down cause they arent needed apparently.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 04, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 04, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
I think it's important to know are the players happy with how things are going and their relationship with Mickey.

Rumours tend to circulate when things are not going well whereas there does seem to be a positive feeling this year that we have moved away a bit from the very defensive ponderous attacking system and find ourselves in a consecutive Ulster final with a great chance to put back to back Ulster titles.
Most of us agree that we should win that game and so it's very hard to argue Mickey has built another successful team. It would be brave to not give him a new contract having won back to back Ulsters, even if we do go on to lose to Dublin or Kerry.

That may well be the case, but it will come down to the manner of the defeat.  If it was a close encounter that could of swung either way then id fully expect Micky will be supported, however if we were embarrassed say 5/6 + and never looked like we could compete then back to back Ulsters may not be enough.

This accurately sums it up for me. Another soft QF defeat to Mayo/? would be tough going. Give it a go thankfully the new policy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 04, 2017, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 04, 2017, 10:39:43 AM
If MH was gone, who realistically would replace him that would be able to surpass what he is currently delivering?

Because there is no point in getting someone new in just to deliver a status quo
mickey has been the status quo for the last 6 yrs. so there is not a manager in tyrone that could deliver ulster titles and mc kenna cups with the players we have?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 05, 2017, 12:58:49 PM
Fan of Mickey but his comments about Sky being superior to all other stations is bullshit.Maybe he is looking for the gig himself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 05, 2017, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 05, 2017, 12:58:49 PM
Fan of Mickey but his comments about Sky being superior to all other stations is bullshit.Maybe he is looking for the gig himself.
for a change actually agree with Harte on this one. Rte coverage wouldn't put a patch on sky analysis of games. I'd be more worried about why Harte feels he has to have his say on everything instead of concentrating on the next game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 05, 2017, 01:40:06 PM
It's very simple - he was asked a question in a press conference and he answered it. You'd think going by some you lads he just rings up a newspaper and gives his view on things.

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/comment-what-is-the-sunday-game-about-anymore-a-sports-show-or-a-panto-35897212.html

Plus he is right sky sports analysis is so far ahead of rte it's not even funny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 05, 2017, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 05, 2017, 12:33:57 PM
Harte on about RTE again... is sad that hatred he has. Not doing him any good...

I don't think Harte is on about it anymore. He just hasn't changed his stance on it. I've no issue with that. Course I'm the sort to hold a grudge myself!!  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 05, 2017, 01:56:38 PM
It sounded like he was basically asked if he supported Jim Gavin's stance. In his response he said he didn't particularly like the rte coverage with boys out to make a name for themselves whereas sky had better analysis. No idea how anyone could take offence at that. Plenty of people would agree with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
MH was asked a question, answered it and elaborated on it.

Can anyone disagree with what he said? Was it incorrect? Are TSG better analysts than SS analysts?
I think not
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 05, 2017, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 05, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
I think it is what is driving him, the thought of a banquet snub but if he gets there will find it a hollow victory and wake up next day still angry. Will never be enough; needs to let it go. The SKY crew are boring and its  a rip-off

100% Agree

Wheres the christian values in this? - forgive and forget!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 05, 2017, 03:42:03 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 05, 2017, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 05, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
I think it is what is driving him, the thought of a banquet snub but if he gets there will find it a hollow victory and wake up next day still angry. Will never be enough; needs to let it go. The SKY crew are boring and its  a rip-off

100% Agree

Wheres the christian values in this? - forgive and forget!

Its fair to forgive but I don't think forget is an option.  That will always be a shadow lurking.  Tyrone players are obviously behind micky either through support or fear but they tow the party line and refuse to speak with RTE until they retire from inter-county football and RTE didn't continue to use Jordan, McGuigan or Ricey as main contributors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on July 05, 2017, 04:25:14 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 05, 2017, 03:42:03 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 05, 2017, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 05, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
I think it is what is driving him, the thought of a banquet snub but if he gets there will find it a hollow victory and wake up next day still angry. Will never be enough; needs to let it go. The SKY crew are boring and its  a rip-off

100% Agree

Wheres the christian values in this? - forgive and forget!

Its fair to forgive but I don't think forget is an option.  That will always be a shadow lurking.  Tyrone players are obviously behind micky either through support or fear but they tow the party line and refuse to speak with RTE until they retire from inter-county football and RTE didn't continue to use Jordan, McGuigan or Ricey as main contributors.

Jordan does a (usually excellent) weekly column for RTE that he'd be doing fairly well out of.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 06, 2017, 09:43:38 AM
The only people who consider RTE better than SKY are dinosaurs who take some moral high ground on the GAA selling out to sky or those who don't have access to SKY.

Sky presenters (apart from senan Connell) provide excellent view on the modern game. RTE is a pantomime!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 10:04:01 AM
For all his RTE rhetoric Harte still watches it obviously : )   aye terrible dinasours against children and older people denied access to our games... Harte is vying for a spot there on Sky with Murdock

There are some crazy people on this forum.  ;D How does anyone's mind work in such a way so they arrive at the conclusion that if Harte thinks Peter Canavan and Jimmy McGuinness give better analysis of games than Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane = Harte wants to deny access to our games to children and old people.

By the way, i also enjoyed your analysis that the only reason Mickey has devoted the majority of his life to Tyrone GAA is so he can snub RTE at the winners banquet. Top class!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 06, 2017, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 10:04:01 AM
For all his RTE rhetoric Harte still watches it obviously : )   aye terrible dinasours against children and older people denied access to our games... Harte is vying for a spot there on Sky with Murdock

Denied access to our games, what a load of crap. You can go to any game you want and pay a fee to get in, no one is stopping you, your children or your dinosaurs.

The more games shown the better. I don't care what harte said or what he is planning but he is 100% correct about the sky coverage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 06, 2017, 11:41:45 AM
There are a lot of people can't afford SKY and is not viable to drag a load of children or elderly to a pub...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 11:41:45 AM
There are a lot of people can't afford SKY and is not viable to drag a load of children or elderly to a pub...

What about those who were denied access to the Meath v Sligo game at the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 11:48:32 AM
::)

As eye rolly as your nonsense about kids and older people. What did people do before games where on TV?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 06, 2017, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 11:48:32 AM
::)

As eye rolly as your nonsense about kids and older people. What did people do before games where on TV?

if you have no qualms about the GAA sell off games to SKY... g'luck...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 06, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 11:48:32 AM
::)

As eye rolly as your nonsense about kids and older people. What did people do before games where on TV?

if you have no qualms about the GAA sell off games to SKY... g'luck...

Ha I seen the post you just edited, if you are going to correct another persons grammar at least get your own correct.

About 90% of the games on sky would not be shown by rte any way, so your argument doesn't stand up T-rex
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 06, 2017, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 06, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 11:48:32 AM
::)

As eye rolly as your nonsense about kids and older people. What did people do before games where on TV?

if you have no qualms about the GAA sell off games to SKY... g'luck...

Ha I seen the post you just edited, if you are going to correct another persons grammar at least get your own correct.

About 90% of the games on sky would not be shown by rte any way, so your argument doesn't stand up T-rex

T-Rex eats sheep  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2017, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 10:04:01 AM
For all his RTE rhetoric Harte still watches it obviously : )   aye terrible dinasours against children and older people denied access to our games... Harte is vying for a spot there on Sky with Murdock

There are some crazy people on this forum.  ;D How does anyone's mind work in such a way so they arrive at the conclusion that if Harte thinks Peter Canavan and Jimmy McGuinness give better analysis of games than Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane = Harte wants to deny access to our games to children and young people.

By the way, i also enjoyed your analysis that the only reason Mickey has devoted the majority of his life to Tyrone GAA is so he can snub RTE at the winners banquet. Top class!  ;D ;D

Have to say had a bit of a chuckle at that myself!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 06, 2017, 01:03:26 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2017, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 10:04:01 AM
For all his RTE rhetoric Harte still watches it obviously : )   aye terrible dinasours against children and older people denied access to our games... Harte is vying for a spot there on Sky with Murdock

There are some crazy people on this forum.  ;D How does anyone's mind work in such a way so they arrive at the conclusion that if Harte thinks Peter Canavan and Jimmy McGuinness give better analysis of games than Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane = Harte wants to deny access to our games to children and young people.

By the way, i also enjoyed your analysis that the only reason Mickey has devoted the majority of his life to Tyrone GAA is so he can snub RTE at the winners banquet. Top class!  ;D ;D

Have to say had a bit of a chuckle at that myself!!

not sure I said that : )  how could he have devoted all his life to Tyrone football to snub RTE as the fallout was long after 1992 or whenever he started with Tyrone?  :o  reading what wasnt wrote... agenda
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 06, 2017, 01:08:59 PM
There are some absolute morons on this forum
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 06, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 06, 2017, 01:08:59 PM
There are some absolute morons on this forum

you aren't wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2017, 03:16:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 01:03:26 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2017, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 06, 2017, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2017, 10:04:01 AM
For all his RTE rhetoric Harte still watches it obviously : )   aye terrible dinasours against children and older people denied access to our games... Harte is vying for a spot there on Sky with Murdock

There are some crazy people on this forum.  ;D How does anyone's mind work in such a way so they arrive at the conclusion that if Harte thinks Peter Canavan and Jimmy McGuinness give better analysis of games than Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane = Harte wants to deny access to our games to children and young people.

By the way, i also enjoyed your analysis that the only reason Mickey has devoted the majority of his life to Tyrone GAA is so he can snub RTE at the winners banquet. Top class!  ;D ;D

Have to say had a bit of a chuckle at that myself!!

not sure I said that : )  how could he have devoted all his life to Tyrone football to snub RTE as the fallout was long after 1992 or whenever he started with Tyrone?  :o  reading what wasnt wrote... agenda

Agenda  ;D

There's a few with agenda's on this thread alright, but don't think it's me!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 06, 2017, 03:26:58 PM
MH saying McGuinness & Canavan are good analysts. How this equates to him denying children & older people access to our games is baffling and one of the weirdest things I have seen on this board. Even Fearon wouldnt come out with something this stupid.

Why only older people and kids though?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 06, 2017, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 06, 2017, 03:26:58 PM
MH saying McGuinness & Canavan are good analysts. How this equates to him denying children & older people access to our games is baffling and one of the weirdest things I have seen on this board. Even Fearon wouldnt come out with something this stupid.

Why only older people and kids though?

I didnt say Harte denying access: the GAA is by selling games off to SKY #duh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 07, 2017, 12:15:45 PM
Are Tyrone in the B half of the quarter final/ qualifier draw irrespective if they win or lose next week?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 07, 2017, 03:30:10 PM
Yeah that's right Norf. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#Qualifiers_format

Round 4A
Round 3A Winners will play either the Connacht or Munster Beaten Provincial Finalists
Mayo       v   Cork
Donegal   v   Galway  (Galway can't meet Mayo again)

Round 4B
Round 3B Winners v Beaten Ulster or Leinster Provincial Finalists
Tipperary       v       Tyrone/Down losers(Down can't meet Monaghan or Armagh again)
Carlow             
Monaghan   v       Dublin/Kildare losers (Dublin can't meet Carlow again)
Armagh

1/4 finals
Ulster & Leinster winners play Round 4B winners (Can't meet provincial finalists if possible)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 07, 2017, 09:10:07 PM
Thanks Fuzzman.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 10, 2017, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 07, 2017, 03:30:10 PM
Yeah that's right Norf. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#Qualifiers_format

Round 4A
Round 3A Winners will play either the Connacht or Munster Beaten Provincial Finalists
Mayo       v   Cork
Donegal   v   Galway  (Galway can't meet Mayo again)

Round 4B
Round 3B Winners v Beaten Ulster or Leinster Provincial Finalists
Tipperary /Armagh     v       Tyrone/Down losers(Down can't meet Monaghan or Armagh again)         
Monaghan / Carlow    v       Dublin/Kildare losers (Dublin can't meet Carlow again)


1/4 finals
Ulster & Leinster winners play Round 4B winners (Can't meet provincial finalists if possible)

I assume that if Down lose and Armagh and Monaghan both win they have to play one of them again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on July 14, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
Any team news? Is there likely to be any changes?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 14, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
Good article in the Irish News today about Mickey Harte.

Don't you be reading it STG or it will put you in bad form all weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 14, 2017, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on July 14, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
Any team news? Is there likely to be any changes?

None yet but probably an unnamed team announced this afternoon with a change or two prior to throw in? Seems to be the norm these days. Id like to see McClure in for McCann but other than that I'd say same again from the Donegal match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 14, 2017, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2017, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on July 14, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
Any team news? Is there likely to be any changes?

None yet but probably an unnamed team announced this afternoon with a change or two prior to throw in? Seems to be the norm these days. Id like to see McClure in for McCann but other than that I'd say same again from the Donegal match.

That will throw Down off!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 14, 2017, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 14, 2017, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2017, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on July 14, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
Any team news? Is there likely to be any changes?

None yet but probably an unnamed team announced this afternoon with a change or two prior to throw in? Seems to be the norm these days. Id like to see McClure in for McCann but other than that I'd say same again from the Donegal match.

That will throw Down off!!!!!

Tell the hoors nothin!!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 14, 2017, 10:15:48 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
Good article in the Irish News today about Mickey Harte.

Don't you be reading it STG or it will put you in bad form all weekend.
biggest pile of rubbish ive ever read. id say brendan crossan will get a few more 'exclusive' interviews from mickey after that one. i actually felt like throwin up after readin it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 16, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 14, 2017, 10:15:48 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
Good article in the Irish News today about Mickey Harte.

Don't you be reading it STG or it will put you in bad form all weekend.
biggest pile of rubbish ive ever read. id say brendan crossan will get a few more 'exclusive' interviews from mickey after that one. i actually felt like throwin up after readin it.

Found you another article STG - you can read it between the minor match and senior one.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-its-absurd-that-the-only-tyrone-manager-to-win-an-allireland-has-been-left-swinging-in-the-wind-35933119.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 16, 2017, 04:53:02 PM
Well done to Mickey and the team. Mini wobble at the end of first half but thought it was more of a complacency thing rather than Down getting the upper hand with Mattie guilty of a few bad misses.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 16, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
The real stuff starts now for tyrone. 3 facile wins and one excellent performance against Donegal. should win the qtr final and then the big one arrives.......and what a game and occasion that would be!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on July 16, 2017, 05:43:35 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 16, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
The real stuff starts now for tyrone. 3 facile wins and one excellent performance against Donegal. should win the qtr final and then the big one arrives.......and what a game and occasion that would be!

Who are the likely opponents in qf and sf?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on July 16, 2017, 05:48:12 PM
Qf. Kildare

Sf.  Dublin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on July 16, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Depending on draw Qf Monaghan, Sf Dublin, Final Kerry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on July 16, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 16, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Depending on draw Qf Monaghan, Sf Dublin, Final Kerry

Is the QF to be one from Kildare, Down, Armagh or Monaghan. Then if we win then Dublin in SF assuming they win their QF against one of the above 4 teams also

Am I correct?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 16, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 16, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 16, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Depending on draw Qf Monaghan, Sf Dublin, Final Kerry

Is the QF to be one from Kildare, Down, Armagh or Monaghan. Then if we win then Dublin in SF assuming they win their QF against one of the above 4 teams also

Am I correct?

Can't be Down if they win. If Kildare make it to the QF it will have to be them as they can't draw Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on July 16, 2017, 11:17:26 PM
Back to back Ulster titles not many of the mouths on slabbering looking Harte out tonight!
Those same mouths will be first in line for tickets for Ulster Finals and at Croker!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on July 17, 2017, 11:05:26 AM
Another Ulster Under the belts great times... All Ireland semi final is a reality...The Craic is only startin.... Wont take Kildare/Armagh lightly but should be ok... If kildare can score 1-1-17 v Dublin so can we.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 17, 2017, 11:37:58 AM
Tyrone V Kildare/Armagh Saturday 5th August

Likely be a double header with Dublin v Monaghan/Down
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 11:42:15 AM
15 Ulster titles now, one in front of Armagh and one behind Monaghan.
Usually we say it's very tough to put back to back Ulster titles but this year we've really done it at a canter and for many it's hard to judge where we are at.
On the face of it we seem to have a lot more in attack this year with the spread of scores much better distributed around the whole team and subs.
Our squad is very strong with us being able to leave players like Justy, two Brennans, McClure, McCurry and others on the sub bench ready to come in yet still have the luxury of playing Mattie as a corner forward/free agent around the middle.

I think the county board were right to take their time and see how things panned out as it's not so long ago that we were 2nd or 3rd best in Ulster but most of the so called experts seem to have us in the top 3 (maybe 4) in the country at the moment and for me definite progress has been made.

I think the last time we beat Kildare in the quarterfinals, we then lost to Cork in the semi back in 2009.
We need to be careful not to focus on Dublin and concentrate on a good Kildare outfit that will not be scared of us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 17, 2017, 11:49:46 AM
IS it definitely Armagh or Kildare?

If Armagh where to beat Kildare and Monaghan beat Down would it not be open draw?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 11:52:16 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 17, 2017, 11:49:46 AM
IS it definitely Armagh or Kildare?

If Armagh where to beat Kildare and Monaghan beat Down would it not be open draw?

Yeah if Armagh and Monaghan were to win it would be an open draw. Kildare are missing their captain and midfielder so don't think its a foregone conclusion they will beat Armagh. Tyrone-Armagh in Croker will be like the good oul days.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 17, 2017, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 11:52:16 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 17, 2017, 11:49:46 AM
IS it definitely Armagh or Kildare?

If Armagh where to beat Kildare and Monaghan beat Down would it not be open draw?

Yeah if Armagh and Monaghan were to win it would be an open draw. Kildare are missing their captain and midfielder so don't think its a foregone conclusion they will beat Armagh. Tyrone-Armagh in Croker will be like the good oul days.

No I don't think its an open draw.  That is the draw regardless of the winners.  Tyrone will play either Armagh or Kildare
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 17, 2017, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 11:52:16 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 17, 2017, 11:49:46 AM
IS it definitely Armagh or Kildare?

If Armagh where to beat Kildare and Monaghan beat Down would it not be open draw?

Yeah if Armagh and Monaghan were to win it would be an open draw. Kildare are missing their captain and midfielder so don't think its a foregone conclusion they will beat Armagh. Tyrone-Armagh in Croker will be like the good oul days.

No I don't think its an open draw.  That is the draw regardless of the winners.  Tyrone will play either Armagh or Kildare

Ah right maybe you are right then. I thought people were thinking it was like that because Tyrone can't play Down and Dublin can't play Kildare again in the quarters but maybe its pre planned like you say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Amazingly we could be in an AI semi final without really being tested (especially if Armagh win - we would destroy them in CP).

The break will do us no harm - get the batteries recharged and go again.

Dont see any need to change the 15 that started yesterday - great competition for places.

Thought McClure & Collie were excellent yesterday

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Amazingly we could be in an AI semi final without really being tested (especially if Armagh win - we would destroy them in CP).

The break will do us no harm - get the batteries recharged and go again.

Dont see any need to change the 15 that started yesterday - great competition for places.

Thought McClure & Collie were excellent yesterday

I'd definitely have McClure starting think he has done enough to get a start now at this stage. Other than that I think the team more or less picks itself at this stage. I do think Cavanagh would be better as an impact sub at this stage of his career but there is no doubting he will be starting in Croke Park. Was he given the curly finger yesterday or taken off to be 'rested'?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Amazingly we could be in an AI semi final without really being tested (especially if Armagh win - we would destroy them in CP).

The break will do us no harm - get the batteries recharged and go again.

Dont see any need to change the 15 that started yesterday - great competition for places.

Thought McClure & Collie were excellent yesterday


I'd definitely have McClure starting think he has done enough to get a start now at this stage. Other than that I think the team more or less picks itself at this stage. I do think Cavanagh would be better as an impact sub at this stage of his career but there is no doubting he will be starting in Croke Park. Was he given the curly finger yesterday or taken off to be 'rested'?

I didnt notice it at the time but watching it back last night he seemed to give MH a death stare on the way off.

He has played worse and stayed on in the past so good to see him being given the 'curly finger'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 17, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Amazingly we could be in an AI semi final without really being tested (especially if Armagh win - we would destroy them in CP).

The break will do us no harm - get the batteries recharged and go again.

Dont see any need to change the 15 that started yesterday - great competition for places.

Thought McClure & Collie were excellent yesterday

Agree when McClure came on he lifted the side.  Competition for places is brilliant and there are so many options that we can bring on to make an impact.  McGeary be could under pressure to hold his place.  He didn't last long vs Derry and had an early shower vs Down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on July 17, 2017, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Amazingly we could be in an AI semi final without really being tested (especially if Armagh win - we would destroy them in CP).

The break will do us no harm - get the batteries recharged and go again.

Dont see any need to change the 15 that started yesterday - great competition for places.

Thought McClure & Collie were excellent yesterday


I'd definitely have McClure starting think he has done enough to get a start now at this stage. Other than that I think the team more or less picks itself at this stage. I do think Cavanagh would be better as an impact sub at this stage of his career but there is no doubting he will be starting in Croke Park. Was he given the curly finger yesterday or taken off to be 'rested'?

I didnt notice it at the time but watching it back last night he seemed to give MH a death stare on the way off.

He has played worse and stayed on in the past so good to see him being given the 'curly finger'


Mickey may think this is the first time big Sean could be done with out??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 17, 2017, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on July 17, 2017, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Amazingly we could be in an AI semi final without really being tested (especially if Armagh win - we would destroy them in CP).

The break will do us no harm - get the batteries recharged and go again.

Dont see any need to change the 15 that started yesterday - great competition for places.

Thought McClure & Collie were excellent yesterday


I'd definitely have McClure starting think he has done enough to get a start now at this stage. Other than that I think the team more or less picks itself at this stage. I do think Cavanagh would be better as an impact sub at this stage of his career but there is no doubting he will be starting in Croke Park. Was he given the curly finger yesterday or taken off to be 'rested'?

I didnt notice it at the time but watching it back last night he seemed to give MH a death stare on the way off.

He has played worse and stayed on in the past so good to see him being given the 'curly finger'


Mickey may think this is the first time big Sean could be done with out??

Cant see Sean not starting, he is probably still the 1st name on the team sheet and especially moving into Croke Park where he usually finds another gear. 

Interestingly he invited Colm to jointly lift the Anglo Celt yesterday, is he suggesting Colm as a future/next Tyrone Captain?  Is Mattie still VC?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 01:32:51 PM
Cavanagh still lifted the trophy by himself. Colm was just there to mind the childer!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 02:41:39 PM
Jeepers lads do you still not know the draw.
It's all on the GAA website or on wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#All-Ireland_Quarter-Finals

Dublin and Tyrone play Round 4B winners so it's a draw but like the one for Connacht and Munster it may be already determined as teams are not meant to meet someone they've already played.
So if Armagh and Monaghan come through then Tyrone and Dublin have not already met them so it's a open draw.

Re Sean. I really can't see Mickey not start him but should we get to the semifinal, he certainly would be a great man to come on against the Dubs and lift the whole team, the way Canavan did back in 2003 AI final. Whilst he doesn't have the youthful exuberance of some players any more, he still has a lot of experience and leadership qualities to that team, as well as being able to kick over long range points.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on July 17, 2017, 03:06:17 PM
Sean taken off yesterday due to yellow card

He took some aggreivation yesterday

A second yellow  or red would mean that he wouldn't be allowed to lift the cup
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 17, 2017, 03:14:51 PM
Penny for the thoughts of Kyle Coney today. Supremely gifted. Stormed off the panel because he was subbed in a mckenna cup game.18month later and 2 ulster championships in the bag...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 17, 2017, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2017, 03:14:51 PM
Penny for the thoughts of Kyle Coney today. Supremely gifted. Stormed off the panel because he was subbed in a mckenna cup game.18month later and 2 ulster championships in the bag...

A waste of talent, unfortunately there are a few in Tyrone football that fall into this bracket
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 17, 2017, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2017, 03:14:51 PM
Penny for the thoughts of Kyle Coney today. Supremely gifted. Stormed off the panel because he was subbed in a mckenna cup game.18month later and 2 ulster championships in the bag...

Head the ball!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 17, 2017, 03:29:28 PM
Is there a throw in time set for the quarterfinal yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on July 17, 2017, 03:33:25 PM
If Mickey drops Aidan MCrory and is a bit more adventurous and plays the likes of Brennan who can defend and attack  then Tyrone will be there or abouts. For someone who hasn't an attacking bone in his body McCrory plays in a very offensive role.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on July 17, 2017, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: delgany on July 17, 2017, 03:06:17 PM
Sean taken off yesterday due to yellow card

He took some aggreivation yesterday

A second yellow  or red would mean that he wouldn't be allowed to lift the cup

I think he was taking off because he wasn't having a great game.  mcCarron was also on a yellow card from early on and he wasnt taking off and he was playing a position that picking up a yellow card could curtail your performance.  Its the way it should be, if your under performing, your taking off no matter who you are.  Especially with the strong panel tyrone have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 17, 2017, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 17, 2017, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: delgany on July 17, 2017, 03:06:17 PM
Sean taken off yesterday due to yellow card

He took some aggreivation yesterday

A second yellow  or red would mean that he wouldn't be allowed to lift the cup

I think he was taking off because he wasn't having a great game.  mcCarron was also on a yellow card from early on and he wasnt taking off and he was playing a position that picking up a yellow card could curtail your performance.  Its the way it should be, if your under performing, your taking off no matter who you are.  Especially with the strong panel tyrone have.


Using McCarron as an example only adds to the argument made that a second yellow wouldn't permit Sean to lift the cup.  McCarron was subsequently red carded and left the game early.

Although I would agree that Sean wasn't having the best of games by his exceptional standards.  He still had 2 points and most of the game attracted 2 down players anywhere he went.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 03:47:37 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on July 17, 2017, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 17, 2017, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: delgany on July 17, 2017, 03:06:17 PM
Sean taken off yesterday due to yellow card

He took some aggreivation yesterday

A second yellow  or red would mean that he wouldn't be allowed to lift the cup

I think he was taking off because he wasn't having a great game.  mcCarron was also on a yellow card from early on and he wasnt taking off and he was playing a position that picking up a yellow card could curtail your performance.  Its the way it should be, if your under performing, your taking off no matter who you are.  Especially with the strong panel tyrone have.


Using McCarron as an example only adds to the argument made that a second yellow wouldn't permit Sean to lift the cup.  McCarron was subsequently red carded and left the game early.

Although I would agree that Sean wasn't having the best of games by his exceptional standards.  He still had 2 points and most of the game attracted 2 down players anywhere he went.

Thats the key here.
He creates a lot of space for other players because 2 defenders go with him.

Probably no need for MH to try to fix something that isnt broken
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: mick999 on July 17, 2017, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 17, 2017, 03:29:28 PM
Is there a throw in time set for the quarterfinal yet?

Yes, According to gaa.ie, Tyrone are on Sat 5th August, (Double header with the Dubs) with Hurling semi on the Sunday.
First 2 football Quarters are on the 30th July:

SUN 30 JUL

GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship
Quarter-Final (A) Roscommon TBC Round 4A Winner Broadcasting on RTE
Quarter Final (A) Kerry TBC Round 4A Winner Broadcasting on RTE



SAT 5 AUG

GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship
Quarter-Final (B) Dublin TBC Round 4B Winner Broadcasting on Sky Sports
Quarter-Final (B) Tyrone TBC Round 4B Winner Broadcasting on Sky Sports

SUN 6 AUG

GAA Hurling All-Ireland Senior Championship
Semi-Final Galway TBC Quarter-Final Winner
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on July 17, 2017, 07:42:07 PM
So Dublin on first and then Tyrone? Can't see the powers that be allow that to happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 17, 2017, 08:27:45 PM
Quote from: mick999 on July 17, 2017, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 17, 2017, 03:29:28 PM
Is there a throw in time set for the quarterfinal yet?

Yes, According to gaa.ie, Tyrone are on Sat 5th August, (Double header with the Dubs) with Hurling semi on the Sunday.
First 2 football Quarters are on the 30th July:

SUN 30 JUL

GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship
Quarter-Final (A) Roscommon TBC Round 4A Winner Broadcasting on RTE
Quarter Final (A) Kerry TBC Round 4A Winner Broadcasting on RTE



SAT 5 AUG

GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship
Quarter-Final (B) Dublin TBC Round 4B Winner Broadcasting on Sky Sports
Quarter-Final (B) Tyrone TBC Round 4B Winner Broadcasting on Sky Sports

SUN 6 AUG

GAA Hurling All-Ireland Senior Championship
Semi-Final Galway TBC Quarter-Final Winner

Yeah I know the date. I was seeking throw in time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 17, 2017, 08:43:53 PM
Nearly sure the quarters last year started at 4 and 6. Should be the same this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 17, 2017, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 17, 2017, 08:43:53 PM
Nearly sure the quarters last year started at 4 and 6. Should be the same this year?

Thanks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 18, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
This is Mickey Harte's 15th season in charge of the Tyrone team. Interesting to look at our record over that time. In 6 of the years (2003, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2016, 2017) we won the ulster titles. In two other years that we didn't win the ulster we went on to win the All Ireland (2005 and 2008). In a further two years we reached the All Ireland semi final through the back door (2013 and 2015). So in 10 out of the 15 years he has been manager we have either won the all Ireland, an ulster title or got to the All Ireland semi final. In a further two years we reached a quarter final.

When you consider where we came from before he took over and if you look round at the rest of the counties in ulster that is a serious record. It was crazy that he didn't get reappointed by the county board when he asked for an extension last year. From the outside looking in there appeared to be an itch to get rid of him from some within the county board particularly before the run in 2015.

Some of the main points of complaints on here have been:
Lack of scores - we have averaged 23 points this championship which is probably an ulster championship record for us.
Mickey dominates club fixtures - 9 games played to date with the county players on board. Might even be another one this weekend. I'd say that matches and betters most counties in Ireland.
Not enough east Tyrone men on the team - seems to have increased in recent years. Hampsey McClure Mulgrew Morgan McCurry Cavanaghs x 2 all featured.

Judging by Sunday it seems the majority of the county are back behind the team. Hopefully it stays that way as we continue to go through a great period in Tyrone gaa history. Lets hope for a big finish to the year now and we don't have any flat performances in croke park like last year.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 18, 2017, 10:16:47 AM
With Sean Cavanagh under performing this year and not playing as a team player at times is it time for him to be dropped? Could be a useful impact sub but would take big balls to drop him at this stage in his final season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on July 18, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 18, 2017, 10:16:47 AM
With Sean Cavanagh under performing this year and not playing as a team player at times is it time for him to be dropped? Could be a useful impact sub but would take big balls to drop him at this stage in his final season.

You'd still hope big Sean can turn it on and not be holding him in reserve.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 18, 2017, 11:08:35 AM
There is logic in holding him back for the last 25 minutes considering his form of late but he does keep the opposition defence busy and, IMO, thrives in Croke Park. He is the epitome of the big game player and I'm sure his performance will get better from now on.

On a side note, big day for my adopted home club. We (Loughmacrory) are hosting the media launch of the All Ireland series this afternoon from our clubrooms. GAA president will be there along with representatives from all the Provincial winning teams. Although, I popped over to the club this morning and there was word that Kerry won't have a rep there. Something about being too far away, but we all know they dung themselves at the sight of the red hands!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 11:17:58 AM
I agree it's a big call whether to hold back Sean or not and in general I think no he should start, but my main argument was that should we meet the Dubs in the semi, it could be a huge boost to the team knowing that after 50 mins he was coming in fresh. He would be really chomping at the bit to get on and lift his team in that crucial final 20 mins where the Dubs usually unleash their cavalry to push them over the line.
Mickey has used his more natural scoring forwards as subs in the last 15-20 mins of games and so rather than Sean being pulled and dragged all game he would be coming in fresh and with a point to prove.

Good discussion RHSanta and too many of us forget those days when Tyrone were NOT a dominant force even in Ulster and so getting to Croke park was only a rare experience. Now we expect to at least make a quarterfinal every year.

I think the county board we right to hold off though to see would we come out of the shadow of Donegal (and maybe Monaghan) in Ulster. I think Mickey has listened a bit to the Tyrone people's views and has changed his ways a bit.
He brought in a new younger backroom team and we are playing a much more enjoyable brand of football this year I feel and are not so one dimensional. Other years you would expect them to always to short kick-outs and always to run the ball whereas this year there is some more long balls being kicked in.

Of course, should we lose the next game or against the Dubs then there will be those doubters again who just want him out no matter what he did but I can definitely say I've enjoyed watching our games a lot more this year than last year and there seems to be a feeling again that progress has been made.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 18, 2017, 11:39:17 AM
Sean Cavanagh starting or being held back is a non story..  Sean will start if he's fit.  He's well capable of playing 70minutes championship football fitness or age isn't the issue.  Any opposition seeing a Tyrone 15 without Sean Cavanagh will automatically be buoyant and lifted. 

Cavanagh is up there with Canavan as our best ever.  If fit he starts 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 18, 2017, 12:31:27 PM
Even im startin to enjoy the football! Never doubted the players and I'm certain they are good enough to beat Dublin and kerry if we keep letting them play positive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 18, 2017, 12:32:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 18, 2017, 12:31:27 PM
Even im startin to enjoy the football! Never doubted the players and I'm certain they are good enough to beat Dublin and kerry if we keep letting them play positive.

Who are you and what have you done with southtyronegael???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 18, 2017, 12:47:50 PM
Lol. I have him tied up in a dark room up in garvaghy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Mickey you gotta let him go. How did you get his password or was he already logged on and you got his phone.

Strange times indeed. Even Fearon and Main Street seem to be saying Tyrone have moved on to a new level.

Tyrone GAA, do you not see any advantage on Tyrone playing a containment style game to frustrate the Dubs (should we get there) in the first half and then maybe bring Sean on then in the 2nd half?
My point is often it's the final 15-20 mins of a game that is the crucial time or the start of that third quarter.

Also, as you know Sean is always targetted now from the start of games and we don't want him going into the 2nd half with another yellow card next to his name. He needs to be careful with that arm in around the shoulder tackle that he does quite often as he's such a big man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 18, 2017, 01:34:48 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Mickey you gotta let him go. How did you get his password or was he already logged on and you got his phone.

Strange times indeed. Even Fearon and Main Street seem to be saying Tyrone have moved on to a new level.

Tyrone GAA, do you not see any advantage on Tyrone playing a containment style game to frustrate the Dubs (should we get there) in the first half and then maybe bring Sean on then in the 2nd half?
My point is often it's the final 15-20 mins of a game that is the crucial time or the start of that third quarter.

Also, as you know Sean is always targetted now from the start of games and we don't want him going into the 2nd half with another yellow card next to his name. He needs to be careful with that arm in around the shoulder tackle that he does quite often as he's such a big man.

Fuzz, from what I have seen to date I'm very confident with the current defensive structure in place.  Colm Cavanagh offers the necessary protection in front of goals and I have been impressed by the amount of times our defence turnover the opposition.  I don't think Sean not starting is even an option worth exploring, that would suggest he isn't capable of 70mins football???  Sean's role in the side is a new one.  I hate to see him in and around our half back line (where he tends to pick up the odd yellow).  He shouldn't be allowed to pass midfield and be that option for the out ball with Harte/McCann/Donnelly bombing forward in support.

I do feel against Dublin if we leave Bradley as the only inside man that could spell trouble we will be solely reliant on the running game that Dublin can easily match with the likes of Jack Mccaffery and James McCarthy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 18, 2017, 02:05:42 PM
The big worry for us is the way Dublin defend in their full back line. They're so strong they, more or less, mark their men from the front. Colm Parkinson was on about this in his podcast and lamenting Kildare not going for more ball over the top as Flynn and Brophy would be to big men who could take advantage of that. Mark Bradley is built for pace and movement, the Dublin backs could eat that up all day. My fear is the one man FF line works against weaker opposition but the big teams exploit this massively. Bradley has done a great job so far by creating space, winning ball out in front and laying off for the runners. This will be harder against a team like Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
Was wondering about the age of most of these players and who among them have won minors and u21s.
Like was Declan McClure an U21 winner or did he miss out?
Are Harte, Mattie and McNabb the only minors who made it through to this team?

If anyone can fill in what years players won a minor or U21 that would be great below and if you know their age?
Are Sean, Colm, McCarron and Justy the only ones with senior AI medals?
It's a pity the Tyronegaa.ie website doesn't do player profiles

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 61 (18) - Did he not play underage for Tyrone?
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 97 (25)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 64 (19)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 99 (26)                 2008 AI Senior winner (sub)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 56 (15)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 22 (4)               2015 AI U21 winner
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 118 (39)                 2008 AI minor winner
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 136 (50)                    2008 AI Senior winner (came on)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 28 (6)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 7 (2)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 29 (7)                      2010 AI minor winner
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 19 (5)           2015 AI U21 winner
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 35 (14)                  2015 AI U21 winner
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 236 (86)                 2008 AI Senior winner
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 92 (29)                         2008 AI minor winner
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)                           2015 AI U21 winner
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)                                2015 AI U21 winner
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)                            2015 AI U21 winner
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)                               2015 AI U21 winner
20 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)                       2010 AI minor winner
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 11 (2)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 74 (27)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)                  2005 & 08 AI senior winner
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill 28 (9)        2015 AI U21 winner
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)                         2015 AI U21 winner
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 65 (15)                       2010 AI minor winner
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on July 18, 2017, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2017, 02:05:42 PM
The big worry for us is the way Dublin defend in their full back line. They're so strong they, more or less, mark their men from the front. Colm Parkinson was on about this in his podcast and lamenting Kildare not going for more ball over the top as Flynn and Brophy would be to big men who could take advantage of that. Mark Bradley is built for pace and movement, the Dublin backs could eat that up all day. My fear is the one man FF line works against weaker opposition but the big teams exploit this massively. Bradley has done a great job so far by creating space, winning ball out in front and laying off for the runners. This will be harder against a team like Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry.

So youse play Dublin in the qf then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 18, 2017, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 18, 2017, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2017, 02:05:42 PM
The big worry for us is the way Dublin defend in their full back line. They're so strong they, more or less, mark their men from the front. Colm Parkinson was on about this in his podcast and lamenting Kildare not going for more ball over the top as Flynn and Brophy would be to big men who could take advantage of that. Mark Bradley is built for pace and movement, the Dublin backs could eat that up all day. My fear is the one man FF line works against weaker opposition but the big teams exploit this massively. Bradley has done a great job so far by creating space, winning ball out in front and laying off for the runners. This will be harder against a team like Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry.

So youse play Dublin in the qf then?

No its Kildare in the Quarter Final, Dublin in the semi final and Kerry in the Final.  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 18, 2017, 03:45:35 PM
Does there still be that GOAL charity match for the winners a few days after the final? Wonder who we would play in that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
I don't know folks but I think ye are all getting away ahead of yerselves here.
I mean Kerry will be sitting waiting in the final for us having beaten Galway and Roscommon in the quarters and semis.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 18, 2017, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
I don't know folks but I think ye are all getting away ahead of yerselves here.
I mean Kerry will be sitting waiting in the final for us having beaten Galway and Roscommon in the quarters and semis.

Will you head to the banquet yourself Fuzzman? Or head up the road on the Sunday evening for the homecoming on Monday in Aughnacloy/Garvaghy? You can stay with STG!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 05:25:15 PM
Naw, I'll hold off for the 3 in a row banquet square_ball. You can't be going to that every year. Wile dear.
That's if there's not a West and East Tyrone by then.

Actually I was at the Donegal banquet in 2012 when Jim McG got me in for free to the afters.

Lenny, I'm curious how you see the semifinals shaping up. How would you like to play who and with what final outcome?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 18, 2017, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
Was wondering about the age of most of these players and who among them have won minors and u21s.
Like was Declan McClure an U21 winner or did he miss out?
Are Harte, Mattie and McNabb the only minors who made it through to this team?

If anyone can fill in what years players won a minor or U21 that would be great below and if you know their age?
Are Sean, Colm, McCarron and Justy the only ones with senior AI medals?
It's a pity the Tyronegaa.ie website doesn't do player profiles

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 61 (18) - Did he not play underage for Tyrone?
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 97 (25)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 64 (19)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 99 (26)                 2008 AI Senior winner (sub)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 56 (15)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 22 (4)               2015 AI U21 winner
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 118 (39)                 2008 AI minor winner
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 136 (50)                    2008 AI Senior winner (came on)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 28 (6)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 7 (2)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 29 (7)                      2010 AI minor winner
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 19 (5)           2015 AI U21 winner
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 35 (14)                  2015 AI U21 winner
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 236 (86)                 2008 AI Senior winner
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 92 (29)                         2008 AI minor winner
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)                           2015 AI U21 winner
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)                                2015 AI U21 winner
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)                            2015 AI U21 winner
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)                               2015 AI U21 winner
20 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)                       2010 AI minor winner
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 11 (2)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 74 (27)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)                  2005 & 08 AI senior winner
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill 28 (9)        2015 AI U21 winner
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)                         2015 AI U21 winner
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 65 (15)                       2010 AI minor winner

Morgan, McNammee, Tiernan McCann Minor in 09 (Unluckily beat by Armagh first round who then won All Ireland. Under 21 in 2012 losing Ulster final to Cavan. McNamee was injured for that years Under 21s. Morgan didn't play, soccer maybe at the time?
McCurry minor in 2010 and 2011.
Declan McClure Conall McCann midfield Tyrone Under 21 in 2014.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 18, 2017, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 18, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
This is Mickey Harte's 15th season in charge of the Tyrone team. Interesting to look at our record over that time. In 6 of the years (2003, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2016, 2017) we won the ulster titles. In two other years that we didn't win the ulster we went on to win the All Ireland (2005 and 2008). In a further two years we reached the All Ireland semi final through the back door (2013 and 2015). So in 10 out of the 15 years he has been manager we have either won the all Ireland, an ulster title or got to the All Ireland semi final. In a further two years we reached a quarter final.

When you consider where we came from before he took over and if you look round at the rest of the counties in ulster that is a serious record. It was crazy that he didn't get reappointed by the county board when he asked for an extension last year. From the outside looking in there appeared to be an itch to get rid of him from some within the county board particularly before the run in 2015.

Some of the main points of complaints on here have been:
Lack of scores - we have averaged 23 points this championship which is probably an ulster championship record for us.
Mickey dominates club fixtures - 9 games played to date with the county players on board. Might even be another one this weekend. I'd say that matches and betters most counties in Ireland.
Not enough east Tyrone men on the team - seems to have increased in recent years. Hampsey McClure Mulgrew Morgan McCurry Cavanaghs x 2 all featured.

Judging by Sunday it seems the majority of the county are back behind the team. Hopefully it stays that way as we continue to go through a great period in Tyrone gaa history. Lets hope for a big finish to the year now and we don't have any flat performances in croke park like last year.
i think your post is very disrespectful to all the good county managers we have had before mickey. where did we come from before mickey? we won ulster in 2001 then national league 2002 so hardly rock bottom. sure art mc crory had won as many ulsters as harte up until sunday. there will be plenty more good tyrone men to manage our team long after harte is gone too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 19, 2017, 02:34:26 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
I don't know folks but I think ye are all getting away ahead of yerselves here.
I mean Kerry will be sitting waiting in the final for us having beaten Galway and Roscommon in the quarters and semis.
The whole focus in training is neutralising the Kerry half backs in the 3rd quarter when we are 3 points up to ensure they have someone black carded and allow us loyal fans to start cheering passes from the 63rd minute and give Aidan a standing ovation when he comes off on the 67th minute.
Mickey knows that we cannot afford to get too cocky and start looking beyond the start of the second half of the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 19, 2017, 08:18:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 18, 2017, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 18, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
This is Mickey Harte's 15th season in charge of the Tyrone team. Interesting to look at our record over that time. In 6 of the years (2003, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2016, 2017) we won the ulster titles. In two other years that we didn't win the ulster we went on to win the All Ireland (2005 and 2008). In a further two years we reached the All Ireland semi final through the back door (2013 and 2015). So in 10 out of the 15 years he has been manager we have either won the all Ireland, an ulster title or got to the All Ireland semi final. In a further two years we reached a quarter final.

When you consider where we came from before he took over and if you look round at the rest of the counties in ulster that is a serious record. It was crazy that he didn't get reappointed by the county board when he asked for an extension last year. From the outside looking in there appeared to be an itch to get rid of him from some within the county board particularly before the run in 2015.

Some of the main points of complaints on here have been:
Lack of scores - we have averaged 23 points this championship which is probably an ulster championship record for us.
Mickey dominates club fixtures - 9 games played to date with the county players on board. Might even be another one this weekend. I'd say that matches and betters most counties in Ireland.
Not enough east Tyrone men on the team - seems to have increased in recent years. Hampsey McClure Mulgrew Morgan McCurry Cavanaghs x 2 all featured.

Judging by Sunday it seems the majority of the county are back behind the team. Hopefully it stays that way as we continue to go through a great period in Tyrone gaa history. Lets hope for a big finish to the year now and we don't have any flat performances in croke park like last year.
i think your post is very disrespectful to all the good county managers we have had before mickey. where did we come from before mickey? we won ulster in 2001 then national league 2002 so hardly rock bottom. sure art mc crory had won as many ulsters as harte up until sunday. there will be plenty more good tyrone men to manage our team long after harte is gone too

Art McRory did a very good job with Tyrone and helped improve us as a force in ulster, wasn't disrespecting him at all.

Mickey Harte's record with Tyrone is very very impressive. In 10 of the 15 years to have either won an all Ireland, an ulster title or got to an all Ireland semi final is some going. Plus two quarter finals in other years. In the 15 years before he took over we won 4 ulster titles and played in one all Ireland final (losing it) but we also lost in the first round of ulster on 7 occasions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on July 19, 2017, 08:22:07 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
Was wondering about the age of most of these players and who among them have won minors and u21s.
Like was Declan McClure an U21 winner or did he miss out?
Are Harte, Mattie and McNabb the only minors who made it through to this team?

If anyone can fill in what years players won a minor or U21 that would be great below and if you know their age?
Are Sean, Colm, McCarron and Justy the only ones with senior AI medals?
It's a pity the Tyronegaa.ie website doesn't do player profiles

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 61 (18) - Did he not play underage for Tyrone?
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 97 (25)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 64 (19)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 99 (26)                 2008 AI Senior winner (sub)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 56 (15)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 22 (4)               2015 AI U21 winner
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 118 (39)                 2008 AI minor winner
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 136 (50)                    2008 AI Senior winner (came on)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 28 (6)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 7 (2)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 29 (7)                      2010 AI minor winner
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 19 (5)           2015 AI U21 winner
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 35 (14)                  2015 AI U21 winner
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 236 (86)                 2008 AI Senior winner
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 92 (29)                         2008 AI minor winner
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)                           2015 AI U21 winner
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)                                2015 AI U21 winner
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)                            2015 AI U21 winner
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)                               2015 AI U21 winner
20 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)                       2010 AI minor winner
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 11 (2)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 74 (27)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)                  2005 & 08 AI senior winner
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill 28 (9)        2015 AI U21 winner
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)                         2015 AI U21 winner
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 65 (15)                       2010 AI minor winner

Sean cavanagh has 3 all Ireland medals mick o Neill is to old to have Been on 2015  u21 team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on July 19, 2017, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on July 19, 2017, 08:22:07 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
Was wondering about the age of most of these players and who among them have won minors and u21s.
Like was Declan McClure an U21 winner or did he miss out?
Are Harte, Mattie and McNabb the only minors who made it through to this team?

If anyone can fill in what years players won a minor or U21 that would be great below and if you know their age?
Are Sean, Colm, McCarron and Justy the only ones with senior AI medals?
It's a pity the Tyronegaa.ie website doesn't do player profiles

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 61 (18) - Did he not play underage for Tyrone?
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 97 (25)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 64 (19)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 99 (26)                 2008 AI Senior winner (sub)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 56 (15)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 22 (4)               2015 AI U21 winner
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 118 (39)                 2008 AI minor winner
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 136 (50)                    2008 AI Senior winner (came on)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 28 (6)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 7 (2)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 29 (7)                      2010 AI minor winner
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 19 (5)           2015 AI U21 winner
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 35 (14)                  2015 AI U21 winner
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 236 (86)                 2008 AI Senior winner
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 92 (29)                         2008 AI minor winner
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)                           2015 AI U21 winner
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)                                2015 AI U21 winner
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)                            2015 AI U21 winner
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)                               2015 AI U21 winner
20 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)                       2010 AI minor winner
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 11 (2)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 74 (27)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)                  2005 & 08 AI senior winner
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill 28 (9)        2015 AI U21 winner
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)                         2015 AI U21 winner
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 65 (15)                       2010 AI minor winner

Sean cavanagh has 3 all Ireland medals mick o Neill is to old to have Been on 2015  u21 team

I thought Justy came onto the senior panel around 07.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 11:23:33 AM
Justy was in the 2005 final with joe marking the twin towers Donaghy and Tommy Walsh

Yeah sorry for the other errors but I was just copying and pasting. Of course Sean has 3 and Mickey O'Neill doesn't have any afaik.

Thanks  Goals_Will_Come for your input there.

Hard to believe Mattie, Petey and McNabb will all be 30 in three years time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 19, 2017, 11:30:11 AM
The McMahons v Twin Towers was 2008 Fuzz (the year of the beards). I don't think Justy was involved in 2005.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on July 19, 2017, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 19, 2017, 11:30:11 AM
The McMahons v Twin Towers was 2008 Fuzz (the year of the beards). I don't think Justy was involved in 2005.

I think Justy may have been the Capt. of the U21s 06 came on the panel 07.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 11:44:50 AM
Ahh yes, silly me. The beards final. Love it.
Has Joe got 2 medals or 3?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 19, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 11:44:50 AM
Ahh yes, silly me. The beards final. Love it.
Has Joe got 2 medals or 3?

He has two. Think he came into the squad in 2004 and played full back in the 2005 final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 19, 2017, 12:01:15 PM
Listen lads no doubt Mickey is a brilliant manager and brought the county great joy but some people on here have completely tinted glasses........in 15 years he won 6 ulster titles........every year he has managed there has also been the back door so in the years they were beat they had a second chance and generally took that chance. Not many other Tyrone managers got that chance since back door only started in 1997. During the whole period from 2003-2017 Tyrone would have been looked on as at least a top 8 team so the All Ireland quarter final is expected. I listened to an interview from Mark Conway on teamtalkmag and he talked about pieces of the puzzle and I think he is right. Mickey is top of the pyramid but there are many things in place to help Tyrone succeed in the present era.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 19, 2017, 12:16:30 PM
Have to agree with trap there. With the structures we have in place we should be competing for all irelands every year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on July 19, 2017, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 19, 2017, 12:01:15 PM
Listen lads no doubt Mickey is a brilliant manager and brought the county great joy but some people on here have completely tinted glasses........in 15 years he won 6 ulster titles........every year he has managed there has also been the back door so in the years they were beat they had a second chance and generally took that chance. Not many other Tyrone managers got that chance since back door only started in 1997. During the whole period from 2003-2017 Tyrone would have been looked on as at least a top 8 team so the All Ireland quarter final is expected. I listened to an interview from Mark Conway on teamtalkmag and he talked about pieces of the puzzle and I think he is right. Mickey is top of the pyramid but there are many things in place to help Tyrone succeed in the present era.

first year of backdoor was 2001
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 19, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
You are correct Clarshack....back door for hurling started in 1997.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 12:30:12 PM
Yeah I think the backdoor has certainly benefit Ulster maybe more than other provinces as there are usually a few teams that were always well capable of progressing much further if they had of got out of Ulster.
2003 All Ireland final is a fine example with Tyrone meeting the reigning AI champs in the final.
Also Cork and Kerry met in the 2007 AI final.
Can you imagine how it would have worked during the early 90s with Down, Derry, Donegal and Tyrone all being quite strong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 19, 2017, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 19, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
You are correct Clarshack....back door for hurling started in 1997.
backdoor in football started in 2001. Remember Derry?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 19, 2017, 08:01:04 PM
was always wondering why mc namee was being pushed forward to do all the irish news interviews and media work. he in the paper today talking about the team saying the rosary before every game and he thinks its great cause he goes go mass every sunday and before games anyway. embarressing stuff and hed be better sayin nothin and keepin that shit inhouse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on July 20, 2017, 01:04:43 AM
The things about this side is - it's a testament to Harte that they're up there being spoken about as AI contenders. The 03-08 side was almost readymade and Mickey just added the extra polish.

Harte has turned this group into something I could never envisage, even with their underage medals. That's probably why he is what he is and I am what I am.

Even boys like Colm and Tiernan. Colm used to solo balls over his head and into the crowd. Now he's nearing legendary status in a Tyrone jersey with a major tweak in his role.

We have a dearth of real top quality inter-county scoring forwards that Kerry and Dublin have. But if he wins it with the current squad it'll better any AI before this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 20, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
I remember Stevie O'Neill telling me years ago that he thought full back would be Colm's best position. I thought he was crazy.

Yeah Jim McGuinness was more or less saying the same O'Neill in his article that it would be breaking new ground to win Sam without any star players, normally you need both a few star players and great organisation and application. He also talked about teams are so better coached nowadays and thought it interesting what he said how players like McCurry, Ronan O'Neill and maybe Lee Brennan are much more natural selfish score getters who think about how much they can score for themselves whereas Mickey prefers players who are all about the team and maybe that's why he choses Bradley and Mulgrew.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 20, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
I remember Stevie O'Neill telling me years ago that he thought full back would be Colm's best position. I thought he was crazy.

Yeah Jim McGuinness was more or less saying the same O'Neill in his article that it would be breaking new ground to win Sam without any star players, normally you need both a few star players and great organisation and application. He also talked about teams are so better coached nowadays and thought it interesting what he said how players like McCurry, Ronan O'Neill and maybe Lee Brennan are much more natural selfish score getters who think about how much they can score for themselves whereas Mickey prefers players who are all about the team and maybe that's why he choses Bradley and Mulgrew.

We may not have a star full forward but its wrong to say we don't have star players. The likes of Mattie, Harte, Cavanaghs, Sludden, McCann are top players. If we push forward in numbers come croke park we should be able to put enough scores on the board to trouble most teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 20, 2017, 02:20:09 PM
Yeah Peter Harte, Mattie & Sean are all-stars from the past few years.
Sludden, Mattie, Bradley and surprisingly Hampsey all have 5 points so far this year while McGeary, Tiernan, Conall all have 3 along with McCurry, Mulgrew and Lee B.

I suppose McGuinness meant you usually need an outstanding forward to bag you a good few scores per game whereas should we go on to win Sam this year we will be the first ever team to do that without such a player.

I hope we continue to attack like we have done for most of the games this year and don't retreat back into our shell like last years game v Mayo. It would be sad if it all came to an abrupt end just because of the fear factor. The Dubs down here seem to be very conscious that we could be on a collision course and whilst they are still very confident, they are wary that their team is far from settled with no Cooper and McMahon, MD Macauley and lots of new young lads coming in. They only had 4 starters the last day from the AI starting team in 2011. The new young lads are good but still relatively inexperienced at the top level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on July 22, 2017, 09:01:26 PM
So how good are Tyrone really? Donegal game now put in perspective plus Derry and Down were very poor opposition too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 22, 2017, 09:10:23 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 22, 2017, 09:01:26 PM
So how good are Tyrone really? Donegal game now put in perspective plus Derry and Down were very poor opposition too.

Thought the same... beware all the hype after beating three very poor teams
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 22, 2017, 10:57:28 PM
Form lines are always very hard to read in football. I'd say Donegal weren't as good as everyone thought pre Tyrone game. But Tyrone knocked the heart out of them and they've been a shadow of themselves since in the qualifiers. I wouldn't be overly concerned about how they've done. The big thing to learn was that we weren't as bad as those last three league games suggested.

We won't know if we've improved enough to beat a top team until we get a crack at one of them. Other results won't answer that question. A direct form line last year was that Mayo beat us by a point and drew with Dublin in the final so we weren't far away. We've probably improved since.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on July 23, 2017, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 22, 2017, 10:57:28 PM
Form lines are always very hard to read in football. I'd say Donegal weren't as good as everyone thought pre Tyrone game. But Tyrone knocked the heart out of them and they've been a shadow of themselves since in the qualifiers. I wouldn't be overly concerned about how they've done. The big thing to learn was that we weren't as bad as those last three league games suggested.

We won't know if we've improved enough to beat a top team until we get a crack at one of them. Other results won't answer that question. A direct form line last year was that Mayo beat us by a point and drew with Dublin in the final so we weren't far away. We've probably improved since.

And Galway beat Roscommon last year so that would make them better than Dublin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 23, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
the only way we will know what we have is when we play dublin in the semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
I'd say all ye lads up near the lough shore must be delighted to have Armagh in the quarterfinal.
As I posted on the main thread, it looks to be a lot easier draw than any of the other teams got whereas last year we probably got the toughest quarterfinal draw which then lead to an easier semi draw

I see in the Irish News there is talk that McAliskey could be on his way back should we progress.
Is he back playing for his club or training? I'd be very surprised if he made it back for late August or Sept.

Tyrone have a clean bill of health for the final, while Harte revealed the Connor McAliskey's recuperation from a cruciate knee ligament injury has gone so well that he could not be ruled out of playing some part if they progress deeper into the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 01, 2017, 09:32:54 PM
any word on the county board meeting tonight? mickey get his extension yet?lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on August 02, 2017, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 22, 2017, 09:10:23 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 22, 2017, 09:01:26 PM
So how good are Tyrone really? Donegal game now put in perspective plus Derry and Down were very poor opposition too.

Thought the same... beware all the hype after beating three very poor teams

To be fair..Fermanagh, Westmeath, Tipp and Kildare were hardly world beaters either.....you can only beat what's put in front of you..at least we took care of business and didn't leave any doubt as to who was the better team.

Would be great to have Connor back again this year. Always looked like a man who was on the verge of being marquee..hopefully he will now push on and get there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Just been chatting to McGeeney in a cafe, He was watching a Tyrone game from this year. Guess which one it was?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on August 03, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Just been chatting to McGeeney in a cafe, He was watching a Tyrone game from this year. Guess which one it was?

Down
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 03, 2017, 03:50:01 PM
It's an exciting time for Tyrone with a lot of talent still to really make the breakthrough at senior level.
Indeed I think some of the players on the bench are maybe better than those starting
Rory Brennan - class defender / great pace / can take a score
Conor Meyler - see this years Sigerson final to see how good a player he is
Cathal McShane - stand out for u21s for two years / lot of potential
Frank Burns - star player at minor/ underage for Tyrone / classy footballer
Michael Cassidy - can play anywhere on the pitch / massive talent but hampered by injury so far
Lee Brennan - top scorer in County the last few years / v good for u21 team
Declan McClure - brilliant contribution the last day.

You could make a case that some of these players are better than those starting - D Mulgrew / A McCrory maybe even McCarron. That's not to mention other subs such as Ronan McNabb and Ronan O'Neill as well as McAliskey close to a return.
Mickey has a hard job to just pick the 26 man squad. I would love to see him change up the starting team and base it solely on who's performing best in training. Hard to believe some of those above have yet to make a big impact at senior level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on August 03, 2017, 05:27:15 PM
The reason them boys are on the bench is that they are not up to it, bar McClure. Impress at training and Harte will give you game time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 06:19:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 03, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Just been chatting to McGeeney in a cafe, He was watching a Tyrone game from this year. Guess which one it was?

Down

Nope. First half of the Kerry league game this year when they tore strips off us. My vague memory of thst game was a lot of long, early ball into the FF line and them being very efficient at taking their goals and points. McGeeney obviously will be replicating this as closely as possible. All depends on how their players can pull it off. Kerry at a much higher level, obviously.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on August 03, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 06:19:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 03, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Just been chatting to McGeeney in a cafe, He was watching a Tyrone game from this year. Guess which one it was?

Down

Nope. First half of the Kerry league game this year when they tore strips off us. My vague memory of thst game was a lot of long, early ball into the FF line and them being very efficient at taking their goals and points. McGeeney obviously will be replicating this as closely as possible. All depends on how their players can pull it off. Kerry at a much higher level, obviously.

Murnin must be fit then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 03, 2017, 10:26:05 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 62 (19)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 98 (26)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 65 (20)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 100 (27)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 57 (16)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 23 (5)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 119 (40)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 137 (51)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 29 (7)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 8 (3)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 30 (8)
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 20 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 36 (15)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 237 (87)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 93 (30)
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 14 (2)
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)
19 – Frank Burns – Cabhan á Choarthainn – 5 (1)
20 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
21 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
22 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 12 (3)
23 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 75 (28)
24 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 24 (7)
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 66 (16)
Bainisteoir: Mickey Harte
Maor Fóirne: Gavin Devlin

One change. Frank Burns replacing Cathal McShane on the bench. Still no word of Ronan McNabb either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on August 03, 2017, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 03, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 06:19:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 03, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Just been chatting to McGeeney in a cafe, He was watching a Tyrone game from this year. Guess which one it was?

Down

Nope. First half of the Kerry league game this year when they tore strips off us. My vague memory of thst game was a lot of long, early ball into the FF line and them being very efficient at taking their goals and points. McGeeney obviously will be replicating this as closely as possible. All depends on how their players can pull it off. Kerry at a much higher level, obviously.

Murnin must be fit then.

If Murnin is not fit they have other options to suit similar game plan. Ethan Rafferty and Ciaran O'Hanlon can both play inside but Murnin is a loss for sure if unavailable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on August 04, 2017, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 03, 2017, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 03, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 06:19:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 03, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Just been chatting to McGeeney in a cafe, He was watching a Tyrone game from this year. Guess which one it was?

Down

Nope. First half of the Kerry league game this year when they tore strips off us. My vague memory of thst game was a lot of long, early ball into the FF line and them being very efficient at taking their goals and points. McGeeney obviously will be replicating this as closely as possible. All depends on how their players can pull it off. Kerry at a much higher level, obviously.

Murnin must be fit then.

If Murnin is not fit they have other options to suit similar game plan. Ethan Rafferty and Ciaran O'Hanlon can both play inside but Murnin is a loss for sure if unavailable.

The way Murnin came off last week would say he wont be there tomorrow.

OHanlon definitely wont be played FF - has he ever played there for them?
Rafferty got a great point last week but his tackling is terrible and he looks clumsy. FF might be just the place for him. If he is there CC will mop up everything with ease.

Looking at the two teams on paper we should be putting these boys away inside 50mins - no questions asked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 04, 2017, 02:05:06 PM
Games going to be tight, Tyrone have played nobody with no real tests so far. Beat Donegal and everyone talked about AI, look how bad they turned out to be. Down Poor aswell. Armagh coming in off a run in the qualifiers, cant beat competitive games week in week out, Tyrone last played 3 weeks ago and then went and boxed the head off each other out in Dungannon

Tyrone to scrape by
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on August 04, 2017, 03:37:28 PM
Tyrone will win this with a bit to spare. Armagh been talked up a lot and yes good performance last week but it took a savage effort from them to beat a tactically niave kildare team. When armagh faced a defensive team ( down second half and westmeath) they have been poor and I expect something similair tommorrow night with the tyrone set up. Easy to kick it in when its 2 v2 in 50 yeards of space but that won't happen tommorrow night and for me we'll see armagh all at sea. Also for all the talk of being a young team donaghey and vernon at back are well into 30's and will find it hard to recover from last week. I think tyrone by 7/8 with a 5 point half time lead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on August 04, 2017, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 04, 2017, 02:05:06 PM
Games going to be tight, Tyrone have played nobody with no real tests so far. Beat Donegal and everyone talked about AI, look how bad they turned out to be. Down Poor aswell. Armagh coming in off a run in the qualifiers, cant beat competitive games week in week out, Tyrone last played 3 weeks ago and then went and boxed the head off each other out in Dungannon

Tyrone to scrape by

They werent boxing  each other in Dungannon!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 04, 2017, 04:29:49 PM
Who where they boxing?

Could Big Oz not handle them???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on August 07, 2017, 10:49:47 AM
Not 100 per cent confident we can beat Dublin, But hopefully we can produce the goods on the day which will give us a decent chance,improvement will be needed imo....will be different game pace wise on any game Tyrone will have played in the championship to date and will find out if we have made enough progress to compete with the current All ireland Champions...maybe a year too early but we are making serious ground....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 07, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
How could anyone be confident of beating Dublin for fk sake. They are in my opinion the greatest team of all time - going for a 5th Sam in seven years. Tyrone had a class team ten years ago and still got chinned the odd time against the likes of Down (08) Derry (06) even in National league semi final against the likes of Laois.
This current Dublin team hardly ever lose, they are an unbelievable team. One major loss to Kerry in a league final and that's about it.
If we were to beat them it would be Mickeys greatest triumph!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 07, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
How could anyone be confident of beating Dublin for fk sake. They are in my opinion the greatest team of all time - going for a 5th Sam in seven years. Tyrone had a class team ten years ago and still got chinned the odd time against the likes of Down (08) Derry (06) even in National league semi final against the likes of Laois.
This current Dublin team hardly ever lose, they are an unbelievable team. One major loss to Kerry in a league final and that's about it.
If we were to beat them it would be Mickeys greatest triumph!

Calm down, they have been the best team in a poor era. Compare a forward line of Cavlan, McGuigan, Dooher, O'Neill, Canavan, Mulligan and not one of the current Dublin forward line would get in. In defence would anyone get in infront of Gormley, Ricey, Jordan or Cormac or Big Joe? Do they have anyone who would get into get into a full forward line of McDonnell, Clarke and McConville? Or Gooch, Star and O'Donoghue? Or Sheehy, Liston, Egan? This team has thrived at a time when preparation and financial differences have created huge gaps between the big counties and the rest. I'd doubt if the current Dublin team would have coped with any of the Armagh, Kerry or Tyrone teams of the mid noughties, never mind Kerry of the 70a and 80s and Dubs of 70s. Let's not forget that 2 ogs bailed them out last year. They are a good team in a poor era - nothing more! We have nothing to fear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shawshank on August 08, 2017, 12:48:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 07, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
How could anyone be confident of beating Dublin for fk sake. They are in my opinion the greatest team of all time - going for a 5th Sam in seven years. Tyrone had a class team ten years ago and still got chinned the odd time against the likes of Down (08) Derry (06) even in National league semi final against the likes of Laois.
This current Dublin team hardly ever lose, they are an unbelievable team. One major loss to Kerry in a league final and that's about it.
If we were to beat them it would be Mickeys greatest triumph!

Calm down, they have been the best team in a poor era. Compare a forward line of Cavlan, McGuigan, Dooher, O'Neill, Canavan, Mulligan and not one of the current Dublin forward line would get in. In defence would anyone get in infront of Gormley, Ricey, Jordan or Cormac or Big Joe? Do they have anyone who would get into get into a full forward line of McDonnell, Clarke and McConville? Or Gooch, Star and O'Donoghue? Or Sheehy, Liston, Egan? This team has thrived at a time when preparation and financial differences have created huge gaps between the big counties and the rest. I'd doubt if the current Dublin team would have coped with any of the Armagh, Kerry or Tyrone teams of the mid noughties, never mind Kerry of the 70a and 80s and Dubs of 70s. Let's not forget that 2 ogs bailed them out last year. They are a good team in a poor era - nothing more! We have nothing to fear.

Your head is far up your arse that I can't be bothered putting a constructive arguement against one of the rose tinted coloured posts on this board in a long time :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on August 08, 2017, 07:02:31 AM
i wonder if you were picking a combined tyrone dublin team how many tyrone players would get in. i reckon tyrone would get harte in instead of mccaffrey on this years form only. not one other defender cluxton a shoe in. fenton kilkenny  be in the middle. im going to squeeze mattie donnelly in up front at the expense of con o callaghan though i feel o callaghan will be a superstar. thats leaving connolly mccauley flynn brogan and davy byrne as my first 5 subs. 2 0ut of 20. any one want to argue for more?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2017, 08:25:43 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on August 08, 2017, 07:02:31 AM
i wonder if you were picking a combined tyrone dublin team how many tyrone players would get in. i reckon tyrone would get harte in instead of mccaffrey on this years form only. not one other defender cluxton a shoe in. fenton kilkenny  be in the middle. im going to squeeze mattie donnelly in up front at the expense of con o callaghan though i feel o callaghan will be a superstar. thats leaving connolly mccauley flynn brogan and davy byrne as my first 5 subs. 2 0ut of 20. any one want to argue for more?

Harte, Donnelly, McNamee, McCann, Sudden, Colm Cavanagh and Morgan would all get in for me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2017, 08:37:57 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2017, 08:25:43 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on August 08, 2017, 07:02:31 AM
i wonder if you were picking a combined tyrone dublin team how many tyrone players would get in. i reckon tyrone would get harte in instead of mccaffrey on this years form only. not one other defender cluxton a shoe in. fenton kilkenny  be in the middle. im going to squeeze mattie donnelly in up front at the expense of con o callaghan though i feel o callaghan will be a superstar. thats leaving connolly mccauley flynn brogan and davy byrne as my first 5 subs. 2 0ut of 20. any one want to argue for more?

Harte, Donnelly, McNamee, McCann, Sudden, Colm Cavanagh and Morgan would all get in for me.

Colm cav is a contender for footballer of the year. He would walk into the Dublin team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on August 08, 2017, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on August 08, 2017, 07:02:31 AM
i wonder if you were picking a combined tyrone dublin team how many tyrone players would get in. i reckon tyrone would get harte in instead of mccaffrey on this years form only. not one other defender cluxton a shoe in. fenton kilkenny  be in the middle. im going to squeeze mattie donnelly in up front at the expense of con o callaghan though i feel o callaghan will be a superstar. thats leaving connolly mccauley flynn brogan and davy byrne as my first 5 subs. 2 0ut of 20. any one want to argue for more?

You would just squeeze Donnelly in ahead of O'Callaghan, come on! A double All-Star and you would just squeeze him in at the expense of a young lad just starting out in county football? Colm Cavanagh, Sean Cavanagh, Sludden, Harte, McCann all start in a Dublin team for me. I believe you could argue for Morgan, McCarron, McNamee as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on August 08, 2017, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on August 08, 2017, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on August 08, 2017, 07:02:31 AM
i wonder if you were picking a combined tyrone dublin team how many tyrone players would get in. i reckon tyrone would get harte in instead of mccaffrey on this years form only. not one other defender cluxton a shoe in. fenton kilkenny  be in the middle. im going to squeeze mattie donnelly in up front at the expense of con o callaghan though i feel o callaghan will be a superstar. thats leaving connolly mccauley flynn brogan and davy byrne as my first 5 subs. 2 0ut of 20. any one want to argue for more?

You would just squeeze Donnelly in ahead of O'Callaghan, come on! A double All-Star and you would just squeeze him in at the expense of a young lad just starting out in county football? Colm Cavanagh, Sean Cavanagh, Sludden, Harte, McCann all start in a Dublin team for me. I believe you could argue for Morgan, McCarron, McNamee as well.

:o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 08, 2017, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 07, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
How could anyone be confident of beating Dublin for fk sake. They are in my opinion the greatest team of all time - going for a 5th Sam in seven years. Tyrone had a class team ten years ago and still got chinned the odd time against the likes of Down (08) Derry (06) even in National league semi final against the likes of Laois.
This current Dublin team hardly ever lose, they are an unbelievable team. One major loss to Kerry in a league final and that's about it.
If we were to beat them it would be Mickeys greatest triumph!
Not much wrong with that.  Dublin are over rated; Tyrone can beat them, with the run of the green, and a fair ref

Calm down, they have been the best team in a poor era. Compare a forward line of Cavlan, McGuigan, Dooher, O'Neill, Canavan, Mulligan and not one of the current Dublin forward line would get in. In defence would anyone get in infront of Gormley, Ricey, Jordan or Cormac or Big Joe? Do they have anyone who would get into get into a full forward line of McDonnell, Clarke and McConville? Or Gooch, Star and O'Donoghue? Or Sheehy, Liston, Egan? This team has thrived at a time when preparation and financial differences have created huge gaps between the big counties and the rest. I'd doubt if the current Dublin team would have coped with any of the Armagh, Kerry or Tyrone teams of the mid noughties, never mind Kerry of the 70a and 80s and Dubs of 70s. Let's not forget that 2 ogs bailed them out last year. They are a good team in a poor era - nothing more! We have nothing to fear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on August 08, 2017, 04:13:01 PM
Time Ticking Away what happened your post??
You were obviously talking through your arse so decided to remove the post  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Edit

When I say mc crory isn't good enough it's obviously relative. I mean, he's better than me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 08, 2017, 04:13:01 PM
Time Ticking Away what happened your post??
You were obviously talking through your arse so decided to remove the post  ::)

I decided to be a little less aggressive. You should try it sometime
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on August 08, 2017, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I thought McCarron was roasted on Saturday. Clarke won every ball in front of him bar one. If Clarke had more help in the forward line it would have stood out more, but hardly any scores came of his ball winning. McCarron has definitley lost a yard and is becoming more of a liability than anything else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 05:04:35 PM
I can recall 3 mccarron won out in front maybe il send the clips to you if you want me to ? Him and Mcnamee invaluable for tyrone. Pity they don't get the credit they deserve sometimes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo
Who are these lots of people who would agree with you ?
Gotta love a bit of healthy debate.
Where do I start.
Jack mc carron did not score on saturday  !
Was aiden mc crory not marking Stefan campbell  on saturday.  I'll send you a few youtube clips to prove it.
Tiernan mc cann has been excellent this year,  Is mc cann better than peter harte or James Mc carthy ?
I don't think so. Is he better than mc caffrey?
This is all airy fairy opinions. No need to get so annoyed. I think Philly mc mahon is a better corner back than cathal mc carron. Is it much odds if he is or not ?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 06:44:21 PM
✌🏼 love a good debate
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on August 09, 2017, 07:16:16 AM
ciaran kilkenny lads come on i know big colm has been outstanding in a poor ulster championship as the blocker but is there a better all round player than kilkenny bar brian fenton and lee keegan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2017, 07:22:56 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on August 09, 2017, 07:16:16 AM
ciaran kilkenny lads come on i know big colm has been outstanding in a poor ulster championship as the blocker but is there a better all round player than kilkenny bar brian fenton and lee keegan.

Kilkenny for me is the biggest waste of talent in Ireland st the minute. A super footballer given such a negative role, who spends more time running/passing backwards than forwards. For me, no player in Ireland has a bigger influence on his team than Colm Cav. The one player we can't do without.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on August 09, 2017, 08:05:37 AM
'Up The Middle' I would just love to see the rest of your GIF.  Breaks my heart everytime I see it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2017, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2017, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I thought McCarron was roasted on Saturday. Clarke won every ball in front of him bar one. If Clarke had more help in the forward line it would have stood out more, but hardly any scores came of his ball winning. McCarron has definitley lost a yard and is becoming more of a liability than anything else.

It's not that long since you were saying colm cavanagh was only getting chances on the Tyrone team because he was Sean's brother and Mickey was trying to find a place for Peter harte because he was his nephew. A lot of that talk from the clonoe lads has gone quiet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on August 09, 2017, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2017, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2017, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I thought McCarron was roasted on Saturday. Clarke won every ball in front of him bar one. If Clarke had more help in the forward line it would have stood out more, but hardly any scores came of his ball winning. McCarron has definitley lost a yard and is becoming more of a liability than anything else.

It's not that long since you were saying colm cavanagh was only getting chances on the Tyrone team because he was Sean's brother and Mickey was trying to find a place for Peter harte because he was his nephew. A lot of that talk from the clonoe lads has gone quiet.

Youve been waiting a long time to say that. You feeling better now? God forbid someone would have a different opinion from you or Mickey. When i made those comments Cavanagh was showing no signs of the performances which he is putting in now. When he was an orthodox midfielder he looked completely out of place and probably still would. He is very good in the role in which he is playing now but by fcuk did he get some chances. Peter Harte has developed into one of the best and most consistant footballers in Ireland and fair play to him. Any other issues with Clonoe in general or is it just our outlook on the county team that irks you?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2017, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 09, 2017, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2017, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 08, 2017, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I thought McCarron was roasted on Saturday. Clarke won every ball in front of him bar one. If Clarke had more help in the forward line it would have stood out more, but hardly any scores came of his ball winning. McCarron has definitley lost a yard and is becoming more of a liability than anything else.

It's not that long since you were saying colm cavanagh was only getting chances on the Tyrone team because he was Sean's brother and Mickey was trying to find a place for Peter harte because he was his nephew. A lot of that talk from the clonoe lads has gone quiet.

Youve been waiting a long time to say that. You feeling better now? God forbid someone would have a different opinion from you or Mickey. When i made those comments Cavanagh was showing no signs of the performances which he is putting in now. When he was an orthodox midfielder he looked completely out of place and probably still would. He is very good in the role in which he is playing now but by fcuk did he get some chances. Peter Harte has developed into one of the best and most consistant footballers in Ireland and fair play to him. Any other issues with Clonoe in general or is it just our outlook on the county team that irks you?

The only problem I ever had with clonoe posters on here was they were very quick to write off non clonoe players whilst suggesting clonoe players as the alternative. Mickey harte was proven right with his faith in those players who did show signs throughout that they were capable of becoming good players.

I also have no problem with people having opinions on players but hate the nonsense talk like saying colm was only picked to keep Sean happy or Peter was only there because of his uncle. Comments like that were hugely unfair.

I do think sometimes we are too quick to write players off who aren't performing well. It can take players years to settle in as established county players and many are written of or give up too early.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 09, 2017, 06:45:46 PM
Red hand that's why people were hoping players like Kyle coney shay McGuigan Niall McKenna Harry Og Conlon plunkett Kane would be given more time and more chances but hey I guess it's a personal choice and mickey showed more faith in some than others......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on August 09, 2017, 06:47:23 PM
The more i read the papers and listen and watch what is going i hope we are not loosing the run of ourselves.... Dublin will not be easy beat.... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2017, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 09, 2017, 06:45:46 PM
Red hand that's why people were hoping players like Kyle coney shay McGuigan Niall McKenna Harry Og Conlon plunkett Kane would be given more time and more chances but hey I guess it's a personal choice and mickey showed more faith in some than others......

Kyle coney and McKenna were in the tyrone panel for 4 or 5 years and got plenty of games. Harte would have watched them week in week out in training. Coney ended his Tyrone career by storming out at half time in the McKenna cup. McKenna unfortunately had too many years disrupted by injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 09, 2017, 10:59:47 PM
yeah mc kenna got the injuries cleared up and got his chance in the o fiach cup. centre half back. mickey cuts him loose shortly after.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 09, 2017, 11:01:16 PM
Tyrone Under 17s won tonight in the All Ireland Semi final, beating Meath 1-14 to 0-10.
Final is set for the 27th of August with the U17 final at 12.00, Minor Game between Derry and Dublin at 2 and Tyrone and Dublin on at 4 oclock.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 09, 2017, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 09, 2017, 10:59:47 PM
yeah mc kenna got the injuries cleared up and got his chance in the o fiach cup. centre half back. mickey cuts him loose shortly after.
He played McKenna cup against Jordanstown at full forward but was very poor in my opinion despite Tyrone winning well.
Personally don't think hes anywhere near good enough for the squad at present and players like McCullagh, McHugh and McShane who arent making the bench at present offer more.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 10, 2017, 12:01:45 AM
Hopefully another great day ahead for the county at the end of month. We will have a huge support down for the semi final, hopefully plenty get in early to support the u17s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stall the Bailer on August 10, 2017, 10:12:50 AM
Up to 1984 we had only won 3 Ulster titles. Since then we have added another 12, more than any other team in that time. Interestingly Armagh and Donegal have also win a greater percentage during this period than the years before. It appears we will be the dominant force for the near future. I'm guessing this turnaround was due to a lot new clubs forming in the 60/70s early 80s. Unfortunately it has only been amalgamations since.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on August 10, 2017, 10:34:33 AM
I see Damien Barton and the Antrim manager blethering in the Irish News the last couple of days, complaining about only having one strength and conditioning trainer for their senior panel, and suggesting this is one of the factors stopping them from competing with the likes of Tyrone. As far as I know Peter Donnelly is Tyrones only strength and conditioning trainer and he looks after all county football (not sure about hurling) teams including underage.

This is endemic of the excuses culture existing in both of these counties. How is it realistic to expect to have multiple strength and conditioning coaches for a single team in an amateur sport. I would also remind them that Derry and Antrim spent a very similar amount on their senior county teams last year to what Tyrone did so I don't think resources are the issue. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 10:48:02 AM
The excuses coming from other counties are laughable. Sick of hearing the population argument. Take Antrim, even if only 1/3 of Antrim is nationalist they would still have far far more than the pool Tyrone have to pull from. County Derry has 80k more people than Tyrone and a massive gaelic culture and club scene. Why cant these counties compete with Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 10, 2017, 12:06:26 PM
Mickey Harte is the reason.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: skeog on August 10, 2017, 12:06:26 PM
Mickey Harte is the reason.

Agreed. Also Peter Donnelly is an excellent coach by all reports. And look at fhe fundraising initiatives like club tyrone, a few thousand tyrone gaels in it give £500 a year to help develop Garvaghey.
Summer camps for children are another big thing. All summer every club pitch in the county is full of children learning how to play the game. That coupled with visits from tyrone players generates the interest that lasts a lifetime.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 10, 2017, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: skeog on August 10, 2017, 12:06:26 PM
Mickey Harte is the reason.
Harte is just the lucky man to be in charge of all the talent the county is producing. Harte wasn't manager of any of our last 4 all Ireland winning minor and u21 teams so to say its all down to him is laughable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on August 10, 2017, 01:28:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 10, 2017, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: skeog on August 10, 2017, 12:06:26 PM
Mickey Harte is the reason.
Harte is just the lucky man to be in charge of all the talent the county is producing. Harte wasn't manager of any of our last 4 all Ireland winning minor and u21 teams so to say its all down to him is laughable.

Do you still think he should get the chop?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 10, 2017, 09:55:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2017, 07:22:56 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on August 09, 2017, 07:16:16 AM
ciaran kilkenny lads come on i know big colm has been outstanding in a poor ulster championship as the blocker but is there a better all round player than kilkenny bar brian fenton and lee keegan.

Kilkenny for me is the biggest waste of talent in Ireland st the minute. A super footballer given such a negative role, who spends more time running/passing backwards than forwards. For me, no player in Ireland has a bigger influence on his team than Colm Cav. The one player we can't do without.

The modern day GAA version of Neil Lennon. Sideways back ways and sideways again. Must touch the ball hundreds of times per game with very little positivity coming off him

The Colm issue, for years a lot of folk were all saying the same. He took his time and now is a vital cog but years ago he wasn't up to scratch, simple as

Same could probably be said of the Nephew as well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 10, 2017, 11:54:06 PM
Quote from: randomusername on August 10, 2017, 01:28:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 10, 2017, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: skeog on August 10, 2017, 12:06:26 PM
Mickey Harte is the reason.
Harte is just the lucky man to be in charge of all the talent the county is producing. Harte wasn't manager of any of our last 4 all Ireland winning minor and u21 teams so to say its all down to him is laughable.

Do you still think he should get the chop?
well if we dont get close to dublin then he has to go. if we beat dublin he will get another year regardless of whether we win all ireland or not. as long as i can see the players being allowed to play to their ability il be happy enough. i think things have changed in that respect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 11, 2017, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I have worries over McCarron, two silly red cards in two games and he definitely seems to have lost a bit of pace and tightness. Clarke gave him a bit of a run around last Saturday and only for some poor finishes would have taken McCarron for four or five points from play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 11, 2017, 06:54:10 AM
What's the story with McNabb, lads?

He's been out for nearly two months now with an ankle injury. Is his season as good as over.

When McCarron went down early with an injury against Armagh, Mickey had Michael Cassidy ready to come in,  Cassidy is a fine player from what I've seen of him but he's not really a natural corner back or man marker. It's the one area we are a bit light of reliable cover in, HP McGeary doesn't really seem to be trusted either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on August 11, 2017, 02:07:02 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 11, 2017, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I have worries over McCarron, two silly red cards in two games and he definitely seems to have lost a bit of pace and tightness. Clarke gave him a bit of a run around last Saturday and only for some poor finishes would have taken McCarron for four or five points from play.

You must be 1 of very few so 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seanmc123 on August 11, 2017, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 11, 2017, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I have worries over McCarron, two silly red cards in two games and he definitely seems to have lost a bit of pace and tightness. Clarke gave him a bit of a run around last Saturday and only for some poor finishes would have taken McCarron for four or five points from play.

Clarke also had 2 shots... Clarke is one of the best in the business think keeping 1 of the top forwards in the county is a credit to any defender. Top forwards are always going to win some ball out in front, I do recall Clarke winning a few along with Cathal. Anyhow I think we are primed to beat Dublin, I think our time has come. No better time than the now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 12, 2017, 04:54:45 PM
Tyrone won the u16 Buncrana cup today beating Cavan 10 points to 5 and Donegal 1-09 to 1-06 in the final. First time they've won it since 2011.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 13, 2017, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 11, 2017, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 11, 2017, 06:43:39 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on August 08, 2017, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 08, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I have worries over McCarron, two silly red cards in two games and he definitely seems to have lost a bit of pace and tightness. Clarke gave him a bit of a run around last Saturday and only for some poor finishes would have taken McCarron for four or five points from play.

Clarke also had 2 shots... Clarke is one of the best in the business think keeping 1 of the top forwards in the county is a credit to any defender. Top forwards are always going to win some ball out in front, I do recall Clarke winning a few along with Cathal. Anyhow I think we are primed to beat Dublin, I think our time has come. No better time than the now

There's no doubting Clarke is a very good player but I thought McCarron came off worse in that battle. He did pick up a knock at the very start and maybe that was why but I don't think he has been at last year's level at all yet. He looks like he may have lost a yard of space.

The match ups will be interesting for Dublin, it's very hard to predict who will start in the Dublin forward line. I think McCarron is best suited to the physical match ups and McNamee more suited to a slippery customer. McCarron has done well on the likes of Kieran Hughes and Murphy. He has to stop picking up these really needless yellow cards because if he gets one against Dublin then he will be a liability and he will be targeted.

I imagine Mickey will make a few left of field changes for Dublin. Rory Brennan hasn't started this season but would expect him to come in and pick up Kilkenny, if Connolly plays inside then I think McCarron is probably the guy we have who is best able to match him physically.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 18, 2017, 12:02:11 AM
U17 final V Roscommon will be televised on TG4, coverage starting at 11:40.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on August 22, 2017, 02:24:07 PM
Anyone having problems getting tickets for Sunday.

Demand supposed to be very high. I heard a few Clubs are struggling to meet demand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 22, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Our club (lough) sent out a text saying demand out stripped allocation. Don't know how they'll manage it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on August 22, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 22, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Our club (lough) sent out a text saying demand out stripped allocation. Don't know how they'll manage it!
You could always go back to Omagh for you're allocation  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on August 23, 2017, 12:07:01 PM
Thanks Goals_Will_Come. I'll set the recorder as hope to be there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 23, 2017, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on August 22, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 22, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Our club (lough) sent out a text saying demand out stripped allocation. Don't know how they'll manage it!
You could always go back to Omagh for you're allocation  8)

I'll stick with the Lough for now and hope that my u6 coaching will give me a bump up the allocation ladder!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on August 27, 2017, 06:02:32 PM
It should be interesting on here for a day or two
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 27, 2017, 06:31:45 PM
Southtyronegael is en route
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 27, 2017, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on August 27, 2017, 06:02:32 PM
It should be interesting on here for a day or two

It's about to blow.  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 27, 2017, 07:27:04 PM
Even Tyrones biggest and most faithful supporters have to be questioning today's performance. With other Ulster teams results it shows how bad Ulster football is at the minute and the 2 titles are worth very little. Still no where near the level of the top 3 and yet to even contest against them in a competitive championship Game. No Plan B so evident it was Embarrassing today to stick to the structure and let Dublin hop the ball about in the middle third at ease
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 27, 2017, 07:31:38 PM
Need to calm myself down first.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on August 27, 2017, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 27, 2017, 07:27:04 PM
Even Tyrones biggest and most faithful supporters have to be questioning today's performance. With other Ulster teams results it shows how bad Ulster football is at the minute and the 2 titles are worth very little. Still no where near the level of the top 3 and yet to even contest against them in a competitive championship Game. No Plan B so evident it was Embarrassing today to stick to the structure and let Dublin hop the ball about in the middle third at ease

Harte needs to be given a 3 year contract immediately. He has brought the team on and progress is evident.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 27, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
Just back from a horrendous day in croker.

Due to the fact he doesnt want to go and is desperate to stay on id imagine micky will leave tyrone senior management in the same manner he arrived ..... controversially.  It's all becoming strangely similar to arsene wenger at arsenal as in both have been there a long time with great initial success but havent hit the big time for quite a while and when it looks like it will be turned around with cup wins (fa cup/Anglo celt and similarly winning 2 in a row) they bow out with a lacklustre performance. 

Dublin will most likely cement their place second only to the great kerry team with a win against mayo so for me it means either tyrone dont have the right players to compete at the very top or they need a change in direction.  I've saw before the stats on all Ireland quarter final and semi final appearances in recent years so either we are happy with that and reward him with more years or move on to try and get back to the pinnacle of the football ladder.

We don't make the decisions but I'm sure we can all agree if it was anybody else from managing from 2009 to now they wouldn't have lasted this long.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 27, 2017, 08:36:21 PM
Don't think there is a better manager in Tyrone but if the present management stay they must play proper football. That is terrible to watch even when winning games in ulster. Go toe to toe with the dubs Mayo and Kerry and give it a lash.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on August 27, 2017, 09:21:10 PM
It may be terrible to watch but would the old style beat Donegal in ballybofey on a wet day?  It never did but this system could.  Do u be happy winning Ulster titles and not competing on the national stage or forget about Ulster and play your attacking more fluid football but probably still lose to the dubs?? Decisions Decisions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on August 27, 2017, 11:57:49 PM
to persist with the same three players in a fullbackline that was exposed by mayo last year is beyond belief. to play two sweepers to protect them is even more incredulous. colm cavnagh was blewtered after 10m minutes today out on his feet trying to plug holes with that big ambling frame of his. our continued use of small players up front continues to baffle, our u 17 team is full of them too. we kept our zonal marking system in position at 1-7 to 4 pts today and allowed kilkenny fenton and mccarthy the fredom of croke park a bit like oshea parsons and mclaughlin in the last 10mins of QF last year. if you perisit with the same personnel/procedures and expect a different outcome then you are either incredibly stubborn silly or you dont know what the hell your doing. tyrone were poor today but are they really that poor. dublin are an awesome team tyrone are not but i do think a more positive approach with a better fullbackline and a committed plan to attack in numbers would get us closer than our current thinking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on August 28, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Sean Cavanagh deserves a huge pat on the back...fantastic servant to Tyrone Football. Who else is likely to go? Justy? McCarron? That's probably it from a young team?

Is that the end of Mickey and Horse? I hope so...a fresh face and voice required. Also...he has no intentions of getting rid of his ultra defensive system if he stays on!!! (according to his BBC interview) Baffling!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 28, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 28, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Sean Cavanagh deserves a huge pat on the back...fantastic servant to Tyrone Football. Who else is likely to go? Justy? McCarron? That's probably it from a young team?

Is that the end of Mickey and Horse? I hope so...a fresh face and voice required. Also...he has no intentions of getting rid of his ultra defensive system if he stays on!!! (according to his BBC interview) Baffling!!!

What difference will a change of system make?

It seems like those championing Harte leave are just looking for change for change's sake.

The one thing that was repeated going down before Sunday was that Tyrone would go toe to toe with Dublin physically and athletically. We were destroyed in those departments. We don't have enough big athletic, quick, talented footballers in the county.

Mark Bradley is a lovely footballer but he's too small for the modern game. If he was playing in Dublin, he wouldn't be looked at because of his height. I had a look through the match programme last year, I don't think I saw one player under 5"11 on the Dublin squad.

As a general rule to make the Dublin squad, you have to be:

5"11 or over
Have supreme pace, power and fitness
Be a very good footballer

No other county has that sort of luxury, Kerry carry a lot of players without the requisite mobility for the modern game. Mayo have a few lads there who lack in certain aspects as do Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on August 28, 2017, 10:59:30 AM
At least Mayo and Kerry would go toe-to-toe with Dublin... that was embarassing crowd jeering every Dublin pass as Tyrone defended a 7 point deficit in the first half. At least have a go. So much for master tacticians...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: saffronog67 on August 28, 2017, 11:27:27 AM
We will never know if Tyrone had good enough players yesterday to trouble Dublin because they weren't allowed to show it. I can only assume they were told not to break in numbers because with every good turnover Tyrone grinded for, one or two carried the ball forward and got wrapped up, then dispossessed.

There was obviously a degree of nervousness in the camp too, I counted 7 unforced handling errors in the first 30 minutes. It isn't all doom and gloom, they will learn.

Meyler was very bright when he came on, but at the end of the day the biggest problem is scoring forwards and if you are not playing and feeding scoring forwards, plural, all year then what can you expect from them in big games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on August 28, 2017, 11:33:59 AM
Peter Harte fouled off the ball consistently by dubs all day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on August 28, 2017, 02:14:55 PM
Massively Disappointed with yesterday....getting beat i have no problem with.....but not having a real go at any stage is really annoying...

Who was playing Left half back yesterday marking Dublin No26 Niall Scully?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 28, 2017, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 28, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 28, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Sean Cavanagh deserves a huge pat on the back...fantastic servant to Tyrone Football. Who else is likely to go? Justy? McCarron? That's probably it from a young team?

Is that the end of Mickey and Horse? I hope so...a fresh face and voice required. Also...he has no intentions of getting rid of his ultra defensive system if he stays on!!! (according to his BBC interview) Baffling!!!

What difference will a change of system make?

It seems like those championing Harte leave are just looking for change for change's sake.

The one thing that was repeated going down before Sunday was that Tyrone would go toe to toe with Dublin physically and athletically. We were destroyed in those departments. We don't have enough big athletic, quick, talented footballers in the county.

Mark Bradley is a lovely footballer but he's too small for the modern game. If he was playing in Dublin, he wouldn't be looked at because of his height. I had a look through the match programme last year, I don't think I saw one player under 5"11 on the Dublin squad.

As a general rule to make the Dublin squad, you have to be:

5"11 or over
Have supreme pace, power and fitness
Be a very good footballer

No other county has that sort of luxury, Kerry carry a lot of players without the requisite mobility for the modern game. Mayo have a few lads there who lack in certain aspects as do Tyrone.

I would argue Tyrone started with 14 very good footballers yesterday but Dublin played attacking football, leaving 2 or 3 forwards in the full forward line for 75% of the game and made we boys out of Tyrone because nobody was tackling them. Its the "System" and the Defensive Set Up that irks most supporters. Mayo learnt from the 1st game with Kerry and went toe to toe with them and beat them. Tyrone wouldve had a better chance playing football against Dublin than playing defenseball. Jaysus it was a poor scene when loosing by 5-6-7 points and sitting back. Embarressing infact
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 28, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 28, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 28, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Sean Cavanagh deserves a huge pat on the back...fantastic servant to Tyrone Football. Who else is likely to go? Justy? McCarron? That's probably it from a young team?

Is that the end of Mickey and Horse? I hope so...a fresh face and voice required. Also...he has no intentions of getting rid of his ultra defensive system if he stays on!!! (according to his BBC interview) Baffling!!!

What difference will a change of system make?

It seems like those championing Harte leave are just looking for change for change's sake.

The one thing that was repeated going down before Sunday was that Tyrone would go toe to toe with Dublin physically and athletically. We were destroyed in those departments. We don't have enough big athletic, quick, talented footballers in the county.

Mark Bradley is a lovely footballer but he's too small for the modern game. If he was playing in Dublin, he wouldn't be looked at because of his height. I had a look through the match programme last year, I don't think I saw one player under 5"11 on the Dublin squad.

As a general rule to make the Dublin squad, you have to be:

5"11 or over
Have supreme pace, power and fitness
Be a very good footballer

No other county has that sort of luxury, Kerry carry a lot of players without the requisite mobility for the modern game. Mayo have a few lads there who lack in certain aspects as do Tyrone.

Should this not be a prerequisite for every county team??? Tyrone have players on the team that might not even make the best club times in the country.  Thankfully Connor Gormley was brave enough to throw himself at a players feet to make his block  in 03 otherwise we might have no all Irelands unlike a certain player who put out his hand and turned his back yesterday (and probably closed his eyes) attempting to make a block for for Dublins first goal. Fortune favours the brave.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on August 28, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 28, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 28, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 28, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Sean Cavanagh deserves a huge pat on the back...fantastic servant to Tyrone Football. Who else is likely to go? Justy? McCarron? That's probably it from a young team?

Is that the end of Mickey and Horse? I hope so...a fresh face and voice required. Also...he has no intentions of getting rid of his ultra defensive system if he stays on!!! (according to his BBC interview) Baffling!!!

What difference will a change of system make?

It seems like those championing Harte leave are just looking for change for change's sake.

The one thing that was repeated going down before Sunday was that Tyrone would go toe to toe with Dublin physically and athletically. We were destroyed in those departments. We don't have enough big athletic, quick, talented footballers in the county.

Mark Bradley is a lovely footballer but he's too small for the modern game. If he was playing in Dublin, he wouldn't be looked at because of his height. I had a look through the match programme last year, I don't think I saw one player under 5"11 on the Dublin squad.

As a general rule to make the Dublin squad, you have to be:

5"11 or over
Have supreme pace, power and fitness
Be a very good footballer

No other county has that sort of luxury, Kerry carry a lot of players without the requisite mobility for the modern game. Mayo have a few lads there who lack in certain aspects as do Tyrone.

Should this not be a prerequisite for every county team??? Tyrone have players on the team that might not even make the best club times in the country.  Thankfully Connor Gormley was brave enough to throw himself at a players feet to make his block  in 03 otherwise we might have no all Irelands unlike a certain player who put out his hand and turned his back yesterday (and probably closed his eyes) attempting to make a block for for Dublins first goal. Fortune favours the brave.

He was probably just back from a full length of the field pointless sprint
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 28, 2017, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 28, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 28, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 28, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 28, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Sean Cavanagh deserves a huge pat on the back...fantastic servant to Tyrone Football. Who else is likely to go? Justy? McCarron? That's probably it from a young team?

Is that the end of Mickey and Horse? I hope so...a fresh face and voice required. Also...he has no intentions of getting rid of his ultra defensive system if he stays on!!! (according to his BBC interview) Baffling!!!

What difference will a change of system make?

It seems like those championing Harte leave are just looking for change for change's sake.

The one thing that was repeated going down before Sunday was that Tyrone would go toe to toe with Dublin physically and athletically. We were destroyed in those departments. We don't have enough big athletic, quick, talented footballers in the county.

Mark Bradley is a lovely footballer but he's too small for the modern game. If he was playing in Dublin, he wouldn't be looked at because of his height. I had a look through the match programme last year, I don't think I saw one player under 5"11 on the Dublin squad.

As a general rule to make the Dublin squad, you have to be:

5"11 or over
Have supreme pace, power and fitness
Be a very good footballer

No other county has that sort of luxury, Kerry carry a lot of players without the requisite mobility for the modern game. Mayo have a few lads there who lack in certain aspects as do Tyrone.

Should this not be a prerequisite for every county team??? Tyrone have players on the team that might not even make the best club times in the country.  Thankfully Connor Gormley was brave enough to throw himself at a players feet to make his block  in 03 otherwise we might have no all Irelands unlike a certain player who put out his hand and turned his back yesterday (and probably closed his eyes) attempting to make a block for for Dublins first goal. Fortune favours the brave.

He was probably just back from a full length of the field pointless sprint

Ah lads - i'm no fan of mccrory but thats harsh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 28, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
well i watched the game back again earlier and i may as well have been watchin the tyrone/mayo game last year. same system failure, same certain overhyped players being found out against a ruthless football team who knew how to put us to the sword with ease. no amount of dressing up or sweeping under the carpet can disguise what an utter failure this has been. of course mickey is already in the paper today saying he is going nowwhere. and with him in charge tyrone are going nowhere too. shame on you mickey, shame on you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 28, 2017, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 28, 2017, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 28, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 28, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 28, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 28, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
Sean Cavanagh deserves a huge pat on the back...fantastic servant to Tyrone Football. Who else is likely to go? Justy? McCarron? That's probably it from a young team?

Is that the end of Mickey and Horse? I hope so...a fresh face and voice required. Also...he has no intentions of getting rid of his ultra defensive system if he stays on!!! (according to his BBC interview) Baffling!!!

What difference will a change of system make?

It seems like those championing Harte leave are just looking for change for change's sake.

The one thing that was repeated going down before Sunday was that Tyrone would go toe to toe with Dublin physically and athletically. We were destroyed in those departments. We don't have enough big athletic, quick, talented footballers in the county.

Mark Bradley is a lovely footballer but he's too small for the modern game. If he was playing in Dublin, he wouldn't be looked at because of his height. I had a look through the match programme last year, I don't think I saw one player under 5"11 on the Dublin squad.

As a general rule to make the Dublin squad, you have to be:

5"11 or over
Have supreme pace, power and fitness
Be a very good footballer

No other county has that sort of luxury, Kerry carry a lot of players without the requisite mobility for the modern game. Mayo have a few lads there who lack in certain aspects as do Tyrone.

Should this not be a prerequisite for every county team??? Tyrone have players on the team that might not even make the best club times in the country.  Thankfully Connor Gormley was brave enough to throw himself at a players feet to make his block  in 03 otherwise we might have no all Irelands unlike a certain player who put out his hand and turned his back yesterday (and probably closed his eyes) attempting to make a block for for Dublins first goal. Fortune favours the brave.

He was probably just back from a full length of the field pointless sprint

Ah lads - i'm no fan of mccrory but thats harsh.

I don't think telling the truth is being harsh. I say it as I seen it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 28, 2017, 06:46:02 PM
Didn't take Sean Cavanagh long to start talking to rte again after his retirement  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 28, 2017, 07:19:05 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 28, 2017, 06:46:02 PM
Didn't take Sean Cavanagh long to start talking to rte again after his retirement  ::)
noticed that.seems to be a recurring theme for ex players.meanwhile on BBC mickey says he wont abandon the blanket because of one result.lol. You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on August 28, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 28, 2017, 06:46:02 PM
Didn't take Sean Cavanagh long to start talking to rte again after his retirement  ::)

noticed that too which indicates this ban is being foisted on them...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 28, 2017, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 28, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 28, 2017, 06:46:02 PM
Didn't take Sean Cavanagh long to start talking to rte again after his retirement  ::)

noticed that too which indicates this ban is being foisted on them...

Would certainly seem that way given the fact it took Cavanagh less than 24hrs to end his ban.

Obviously Sean is a high profile player but I would reckon rte jump at the opportunity to interview players as soon as they leave the panel to highlight how quick they talk when they've left the panel... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 28, 2017, 09:26:26 PM
RTE probably lining him up for a gig on the Sunday Game next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on August 29, 2017, 08:05:49 AM
Yea some loyalty alright!!! P Jordan was the same....all about the ££££££££
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on August 29, 2017, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 29, 2017, 08:05:49 AM
Yea some loyalty alright!!! P Jordan was the same....all about the ££££££££

Would that be the same reason why mickey wants to stay on as manager
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 29, 2017, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 29, 2017, 08:05:49 AM
Yea some loyalty alright!!! P Jordan was the same....all about the ££££££££

Do you think after a long inter county career these lads arent entitled to try and make a few quid on the media circuit?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 29, 2017, 10:13:57 AM
I think if you knew P.Jordan or S.Cavanagh they are both well paid professionals I don't think they need a few quid from RTE to ensure the Mortgage gets paid.  If it was a principled stand on their behalf and not an enforced stance these boys would have no issue maintaining to media ban.  Brian McGuigan id imagine is the same
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 29, 2017, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: longballin on August 28, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 28, 2017, 06:46:02 PM
Didn't take Sean Cavanagh long to start talking to rte again after his retirement  ::)

noticed that too which indicates this ban is being foisted on them...

Yes very noticeable - heard a rumour that Cavanagh and Harte don't get on anyway and that once Colm retires the book will be no holds barred!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on August 29, 2017, 10:22:33 AM
wise up!!! Doesn't matter how well paid their job is...always want more dough!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 29, 2017, 10:29:53 AM
Quote from: driveherin on August 29, 2017, 10:22:33 AM
wise up!!! Doesn't matter how well paid their job is...always want more dough!!!


Absolutely get that point, but what I'm saying is, by them talking to RTE shows that the ban is without any doubt enforced by M.Harte (not a squad decision) its not because these lads have a principled stand themselves or they need a few pound. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 29, 2017, 10:54:29 AM
Did Mickey not say as much last week. I am paraphrasing but I am fairly sure he said that when players come in he tells them his stance and they "agree" to go along with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on August 29, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
All I'm hearing is talk about the failure of the blanket and how our system is fundamentally flawed - the fact of the matter is that Dublin would have beat us on Sunday regardless of how we set up.

For what it's worth i think our intention was to take the game to Dublin on Sunday - in the first half, every chance we got (ie. when we had a close free kick or had a lot of players pushed up) we pressed up on the Dublin kick out and tried to force a turnover. The problem simply was that Cluxton and Dublin were too good and found their men regardless. In my opinion we were then made to look a lot more defensive than we would have intended to play because the Dubs held on the to ball for so long without taking it into contact (as is their right, and they were smart to do so). This is a major disadvantage of our system and ultimately why it probably can't work against the Dubs or the better teams in Croker.

As a previous poster said I think our lads had a bit of a crisis of confidence, characterised by simple handling errors and terrible decisions on the ball that would never normally happen to us. This was hugely magnified by the concession of the early goal and our heads seemed to be down from that point on. Are our lads as mentally strong as the team from the noughties? One thing that everybody assumed in the build up was that we could match the Dubs for pace and fitness but I was stunned by how much faster and stronger than us they were, and how easily they could turn us over. How many times were our lads soloing up the pitch when a Dublin man would catch up and just strip the ball easily from us.

Going forward, it's hard to look ahead to next year at the moment. Under Mickey Harte Tyrone have always had the belief that they could challenge for All-Irelands, and because of this, in the past  couple of years especially, we have had the luxury of being able to call upon the best players in the county. Several other counties in Ulster have struggled to field their best teams because players aren't willing to commit without the prospect of success. Although I hope it's not the case, after the hiding we received on Sunday, and considering the time and commitment our lads put in, it would be understandable if some of them felt they couldn't commit to that again for another couple of years if we are so far off the Dubs and didn't have a realistic prospect of All-Ireland success.

Although, as Philly Jordan said in his RTE column, we could just as easily have drawn Mayo or Kerry in the semi final, beat them and regardless of what happened in the Final we would be being talked about as the second best team in Ireland. And as Jim McGuiness said today in his column, Tyrone only performed to about 25% of their ability on Sunday, so whilst the Dubs are the better team, I don't believe they are as superior as the match suggested. Of our top men, realistically we will only lose Sean and possibly Justy, so if we can introduce a style of play more conducive to bringing the best out of Bradley, Lee Brennan etc and build through the League next year, then all should not be lost. TYRONE ABU!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 29, 2017, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on August 29, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
All I'm hearing is talk about the failure of the blanket and how our system is fundamentally flawed - the fact of the matter is that Dublin would have beat us on Sunday regardless of how we set up.

For what it's worth i think our intention was to take the game to Dublin on Sunday - in the first half, every chance we got (ie. when we had a close free kick or had a lot of players pushed up) we pressed up on the Dublin kick out and tried to force a turnover. The problem simply was that Cluxton and Dublin were too good and found their men regardless. In my opinion we were then made to look a lot more defensive than we would have intended to play because the Dubs held on the to ball for so long without taking it into contact (as is their right, and they were smart to do so). This is a major disadvantage of our system and ultimately why it probably can't work against the Dubs or the better teams in Croker.

As a previous poster said I think our lads had a bit of a crisis of confidence, characterised by simple handling errors and terrible decisions on the ball that would never normally happen to us. This was hugely magnified by the concession of the early goal and our heads seemed to be down from that point on. Are our lads as mentally strong as the team from the noughties? One thing that everybody assumed in the build up was that we could match the Dubs for pace and fitness but I was stunned by how much faster and stronger than us they were, and how easily they could turn us over. How many times were our lads soloing up the pitch when a Dublin man would catch up and just strip the ball easily from us.

Going forward, it's hard to look ahead to next year at the moment. Under Mickey Harte Tyrone have always had the belief that they could challenge for All-Irelands, and because of this, in the past  couple of years especially, we have had the luxury of being able to call upon the best players in the county. Several other counties in Ulster have struggled to field their best teams because players aren't willing to commit without the prospect of success. Although I hope it's not the case, after the hiding we received on Sunday, and considering the time and commitment our lads put in, it would be understandable if some of them felt they couldn't commit to that again for another couple of years if we are so far off the Dubs and didn't have a realistic prospect of All-Ireland success.

Although, as Philly Jordan said in his RTE column, we could just as easily have drawn Mayo or Kerry in the semi final, beat them and regardless of what happened in the Final we would be being talked about as the second best team in Ireland. And as Jim McGuiness said today in his column, Tyrone only performed to about 25% of their ability on Sunday, so whilst the Dubs are the better team, I don't believe they are as superior as the match suggested. Of our top men, realistically we will only lose Sean and possibly Justy, so if we can introduce a style of play more conducive to bringing the best out of Bradley, Lee Brennan etc and build through the League next year, then all should not be lost. TYRONE ABU!

Dublin would have beat us on Sunday regardless of how we set up - But does it not anger you that Tyrone didnt even "have a go"?? Even when getting beat they stayed in their defensive shell. It was laughably embarrassing

More defensive - lol. We looked "more defensive" because we were ultra defensive, 14 men back, 1 forward. Same as Mayo last year. Harte's "system" isnt workable when Tyrone go behind. If they get in front all well and good they will suck the life out of lesser teams and hit them on the counter

Dubs held on the to ball for so long without taking it into contact - Because we let them showboat and get cheers from their own supporters for fist passing the ball 4 million times around the midfield with nobody pushing up and attempting a tackle

Early goal - see above point about the "system", Tyrone cant dictate the game from behind, early goal a sucker punch and they never recovered

Faster and stronger than us they were - They are virtually a professional outfit. I believe we have equally as good a footballers if they were allowed to play football

Introduce a style of play more conducive - This is all the fans are asking for. 2 years on the trot now Tyrone have been found out in Croke Park against the big boys playing this defensive cr@p that turns many people off them. Mayo went for the replay against Kerry and came out on top, possibly shocking Kerry with their tactics and gameplan. EVERYONE knew what Tyrone were going to do and how they were going to set up which made it easy to plan against

Joe Brolley is right. Football is the winner with these 2 finalists because they play football. The sooner this Donegal and now Tyrone Defensive sh!te leaves the better. Bring back football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on August 29, 2017, 04:29:38 PM
Hard to really pinpoint what went wrong on Sunday.

Someone said it above, I don't think we would have beat them playing at our best ( which we clearly weren't ), but the lack of effort?, intensity and pace/fitness was extremely disappointing as it is something we know we do have.
There was no pressure from us. We can't completely complain that the blanket defence was the reason we lost the game, because we didn't execute it like we normally do ( albeit against lesser teams ). Dublin played more men back when we had the ball than we did ( Bradley normally stayed up ), Dublin had every player inside their own 45 numerous times. Disappointing that we were still playing it when 7/8/9 points down though. Same tactic, but executed better by better players. And they have better players, but the best players don't always win, and I thought we had a better 'team' than what showed up on Sunday. There is no shame in getting beat by this Dublin, especially if we had put everything into it, which unfortunately we didn't look like we showed up at all.

Must have been hard to play in that game. We and the players know McCann, Harte, Donnelly, Sludden have pace and power in abundance, but to see these fellas in blue put you to shame in that regard must have been a real kick in the balls. I think our heads did drop very early on when we realised how good they were. Not something I would normally associate with a MH team.

We did give a bit of a go at the start of the 2nd half, but we hit 3/4 wides in a row, which at the very least would have asked some questions and maybe give us a bit of confidence boost.
Everytime we turned over the ball which to be fair we did a good few times, we didn't put it over the bar, everytime they did they pointed. It must have been mentally draining.

They seemed afraid of the dubs, showed them way too much respect. But respect Dublin have earned by being one of the best teams I have ever witnessed.

Where do we go from here, I don't think it can fall on MH, but he must take some responsibility. No plan B as such. But when we did push up on the kick-out it was obviously said to the players take a man and mark him. So how did one and sometimes even two Dubs still be free. Nothing MH can do about players not doing there job. We have a good core group of players. Namely Harte, Donnelly, McCann, C Cavanagh, Bradley, Sludden, Morgan, McCarron and Hampsey has shown well in his first year. But our other players were found out today. McGeary, McCann ( Conal ), McCrory, McNamee just didn't have it. I won't be too harsh on Mulgrew as he is only 19.

Our full back line is a problem, as well as our full forward line if MH chose to have one sometime.

I am not surprised by the defeat more the manner of the defeat. I have no preference if MH stays or goes. I'm not sure anyone can get anymore out of these players, but maybe there are a few different players which might add to them. Would love to see a definitive variation in tactics to see what we can do when let. Will be curious to see what the Count Board decide to do.

Next Year and what we can expect will entirely depend on who is in charge. If it's Logan et al from the U21's then surely we are in for more of the same for years to come?

I would be looking at something like this, playing more attacking but with the capabilities to defend.

1) O'Neill
2) McNamee / Mc Geary / Gorman from Killyclogher
3) Hampsey
4) McCarron
5) McCann
6) C Cavanagh
7) Meyler / Rory Brennan
8) M Donnelly
9) Harte / McClure
10) Sludden
11) Harte / C McCann / McClure
12) Mulgrew
13) Lee Brennan
14) Canavan  ;) ( Just to scare teams ), would love to find an out and out full forward. Any thoughts from around the clubs ??
15) Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 29, 2017, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: jb81 on August 29, 2017, 04:29:38 PM
Hard to really pinpoint what went wrong on Sunday.

Someone said it above, I don't think we would have beat them playing at our best ( which we clearly weren't ), but the lack of effort?, intensity and pace/fitness was extremely disappointing as it is something we know we do have.
There was no pressure from us. We can't completely complain that the blanket defence was the reason we lost the game, because we didn't execute it like we normally do ( albeit against lesser teams ). Dublin played more men back when we had the ball than we did ( Bradley normally stayed up ), Dublin had every player inside their own 45 numerous times. Disappointing that we were still playing it when 7/8/9 points down though. Same tactic, but executed better by better players. And they have better players, but the best players don't always win, and I thought we had a better 'team' than what showed up on Sunday. There is no shame in getting beat by this Dublin, especially if we had put everything into it, which unfortunately we didn't look like we showed up at all.

Must have been hard to play in that game. We and the players know McCann, Harte, Donnelly, Sludden have pace and power in abundance, but to see these fellas in blue put you to shame in that regard must have been a real kick in the balls. I think our heads did drop very early on when we realised how good they were. Not something I would normally associate with a MH team.

We did give a bit of a go at the start of the 2nd half, but we hit 3/4 wides in a row, which at the very least would have asked some questions and maybe give us a bit of confidence boost.
Everytime we turned over the ball which to be fair we did a good few times, we didn't put it over the bar, everytime they did they pointed. It must have been mentally draining.

They seemed afraid of the dubs, showed them way too much respect. But respect Dublin have earned by being one of the best teams I have ever witnessed.

Where do we go from here, I don't think it can fall on MH, but he must take some responsibility. No plan B as such. But when we did push up on the kick-out it was obviously said to the players take a man and mark him. So how did one and sometimes even two Dubs still be free. Nothing MH can do about players not doing there job. We have a good core group of players. Namely Harte, Donnelly, McCann, C Cavanagh, Bradley, Sludden, Morgan, McCarron and Hampsey has shown well in his first year. But our other players were found out today. McGeary, McCann ( Conal ), McCrory, McNamee just didn't have it. I won't be too harsh on Mulgrew as he is only 19.

Our full back line is a problem, as well as our full forward line if MH chose to have one sometime.

I am not surprised by the defeat more the manner of the defeat. I have no preference if MH stays or goes. I'm not sure anyone can get anymore out of these players, but maybe there are a few different players which might add to them. Would love to see a definitive variation in tactics to see what we can do when let. Will be curious to see what the Count Board decide to do.

Next Year and what we can expect will entirely depend on who is in charge. If it's Logan et al from the U21's then surely we are in for more of the same for years to come?

I would be looking at something like this, playing more attacking but with the capabilities to defend.

1) O'Neill
2) McNamee / Mc Geary / Gorman from Killyclogher
3) Hampsey
4) McCarron
5) McCann
6) C Cavanagh
7) Meyler / Rory Brennan
8) M Donnelly
9) Harte / McClure
10) Sludden
11) Harte / C McCann / McClure
12) Mulgrew
13) Lee Brennan
14) Canavan  ;) ( Just to scare teams ), would love to find an out and out full forward. Any thoughts from around the clubs ??
15) Bradley

I think he was found out on Sunday also.  Long Past his best
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 29, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
In my opinion Harte should have one more year on the caveat that the one man in the opposition half is dropped. The reason we play, coach the kids in our clubs and travel the county/country following our club/county is for entertainment and fun. The bottom line is I want to enjoy myself and take my kids along to develop a passion for the games I love.

The game on Sunday was brutal as our team took a trimming but it's beginning to get extremely hard to accept the tactics we are employing and the impact that has on the games we are paying big money to follow. What would Mayo or Kerry do if they had have conceded that early goal? They'd reshuffle their pack and have a go. As a fan it was depressing knowing that Dublin's goal in the 4th minute almost certainly meant we were going to lose the game. What's even more startling is that from row x in the upper Cusack you could tell this mindset had more or less besieged the players. The urgency and resignation appeared to take hold straight away.

It would be really interesting to get an anonymous poll from the panel to see who is happy playing in this current system. Imagine being Mark Bradley who has probably dreamed of wearing the #14 jersey for Tyrone seniors in a full Croke Park on days like Sunday. As far as I can tell (I only managed to rewatch the match to half time) he got one shot off in the whole game. He literally is there to pull defenders out of position. Bullshit.

These issues were held at bay because we were winning and the QF from last year could be written off as a bad day at the office. However, the last three league games against better quality opposition was an early warning sign that this system is totally redundant.

We have a serious bunch of players who have the potential to score the big prize. However, we now have rock solid evidence that the current approach will not do. I'm not saying we should have won on Sunday because the Dubs were awesome, however, a more orthodox approach is unlikely to jeopardise our chances of playing football in August but It will surely provide a decent opposition for the top three teams. We need to put more trust in our natural talent but I have a sinking feeling that Mickey will stick with his guns and keep ploughing this ultra defensive furrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 29, 2017, 09:48:15 PM
omagh gael, your post makes alot of sense and i totally agree with you except where you say mickey should get another year. this is mickeys game plan. he has already said he will not change it after one bad result. do you really think he is gonna let the county board dictate to him how his team should play? he is too stubborn to change now. we need complete change root and branch. that starts with a new manager and a new vision.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 29, 2017, 10:03:50 PM
Agree with a previous poster that McCarron is done although I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see McCrory, McNamee and McCarron line out in the first round next year!

Mark Bradley had to be the most frustrated and annoyed out of all the players on Sunday. Up against 3 Dublin defenders and then of course called ashore when understandably he could make no impact against them. All those months training to play in a full house at Croker and his role is to play an impossible position that no footballer past or present could perform in. I'd say he's happy to be back playing for Killyclogher just to get a touch of the ball!

I don't know where I sit on the Harte issue now. It's maybe time for a change I just don't know!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on August 29, 2017, 10:04:41 PM
Assuming Donegal get back to their old self in any shape or form, could open and expansive football beat them in a dreary day in ballybofey.  It didn't previously hence the negative tactics we see today
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 29, 2017, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 29, 2017, 10:03:50 PM
Agree with a previous poster that McCarron is done although I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see McCrory, McNamee and McCarron line out in the first round next year!

Mark Bradley had to be the most frustrated and annoyed out of all the players on Sunday. Up against 3 Dublin defenders and then of course called ashore when understandably he could make no impact against them. All those months training to play in a full house at Croker and his role is to play an impossible position that no footballer past or present could perform in. I'd say he's happy to be back playing for Killyclogher just to get a touch of the ball!

I don't know where I sit on the Harte issue now. It's maybe time for a change I just don't know!

Would like to see Cassidy get a few games next year at corner back, he has great pace and is a good player. McKernan will probably be another few years away from being physically ready for marking the elite forwards in big games but should be called in to get some experience.

Sadly there's not an awful lot of players in the county you'd fancy as quality man markers. I agree with what others have said about McCarron, he seems to have lost a lot of pace and got far too top heavy, he's had a poor season but I would still have him in the squad as an option at least, I think he is best suited anymore to the physical guys but his days as a marker for a mobile, elusive forward are numbered. McNamee was outstanding in 2015 but has had a few injuries since and doesn't look to be at the same level. His effort for the goal Sunday was pathetic

Something like this:

1) Morgan
2) Hampsey
3) McCarron
4) Cassidy
5) McCann
6) Rory Brennan
7) Meyler
8) C Cavanagh
9) McClure
10) R Donnelly
11) Sludden
12) Harte
13) Brennan/Bradley
14) M Donnelly
15) McAliskey

With Mattie playing out around the middle.

Whatever about the players being up to it or not, we need to try a few things new next year. McHugh, Loughran, McCullagh and Cassidy saw next to no action this year. We need to try and develop a ball winner in the full forward line, we need to have at least two men in there at all times and we need to trust our markers a bit more to do the job with less protection.

Ruairi Mullan was a player who impressed me an awful lot at corner back for the u21s a couple of years back. He dropped off the panel fairly sharpish this year, for whatever reason I'm not sure but I think he is well worth another look.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 29, 2017, 11:20:01 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2017, 09:48:15 PM
omagh gael, your post makes alot of sense and i totally agree with you except where you say mickey should get another year. this is mickeys game plan. he has already said he will not change it after one bad result. do you really think he is gonna let the county board dictate to him how his team should play? he is too stubborn to change now. we need complete change root and branch. that starts with a new manager and a new vision.

I don't know, I'd say that game will have rattled him big time. Like I say, the Mayo game could be written off as a bad day at the office but Sunday was an out and out disaster. If we line up the same way in 2018 there'll be some uproar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 29, 2017, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 29, 2017, 11:20:01 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2017, 09:48:15 PM
omagh gael, your post makes alot of sense and i totally agree with you except where you say mickey should get another year. this is mickeys game plan. he has already said he will not change it after one bad result. do you really think he is gonna let the county board dictate to him how his team should play? he is too stubborn to change now. we need complete change root and branch. that starts with a new manager and a new vision.

I don't know, I'd say that game will have rattled him big time. Like I say, the Mayo game could be written off as a bad day at the office but Sunday was an out and out disaster. If we line up the same way in 2018 there'll be some uproar.
the wont be any uproar cause there wont be anyone at the games to roar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on August 30, 2017, 12:40:12 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 29, 2017, 10:04:41 PM
Assuming Donegal get back to their old self in any shape or form, could open and expansive football beat them in a dreary day in ballybofey.  It didn't previously hence the negative tactics we see today

Are you really worried about beating Donegal in ballbofey.  If like to see how open and expansive fairs in croke park in the last rounds of the championship - can't go much worse that doing worse against Dublin than CarlowF
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 30, 2017, 08:45:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 29, 2017, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 29, 2017, 10:03:50 PM
Agree with a previous poster that McCarron is done although I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see McCrory, McNamee and McCarron line out in the first round next year!

Mark Bradley had to be the most frustrated and annoyed out of all the players on Sunday. Up against 3 Dublin defenders and then of course called ashore when understandably he could make no impact against them. All those months training to play in a full house at Croker and his role is to play an impossible position that no footballer past or present could perform in. I'd say he's happy to be back playing for Killyclogher just to get a touch of the ball!

I don't know where I sit on the Harte issue now. It's maybe time for a change I just don't know!

Would like to see Cassidy get a few games next year at corner back, he has great pace and is a good player. McKernan will probably be another few years away from being physically ready for marking the elite forwards in big games but should be called in to get some experience.

Sadly there's not an awful lot of players in the county you'd fancy as quality man markers. I agree with what others have said about McCarron, he seems to have lost a lot of pace and got far too top heavy, he's had a poor season but I would still have him in the squad as an option at least, I think he is best suited anymore to the physical guys but his days as a marker for a mobile, elusive forward are numbered. McNamee was outstanding in 2015 but has had a few injuries since and doesn't look to be at the same level. His effort for the goal Sunday was pathetic

Something like this:

1) Morgan
2) Hampsey
3) McCarron
4) Cassidy
5) McCann
6) Rory Brennan
7) Meyler
8) C Cavanagh
9) McClure
10) R Donnelly
11) Sludden
12) Harte
13) Brennan/Bradley
14) M Donnelly
15) McAliskey

With Mattie playing out around the middle.

Whatever about the players being up to it or not, we need to try a few things new next year. McHugh, Loughran, McCullagh and Cassidy saw next to no action this year. We need to try and develop a ball winner in the full forward line, we need to have at least two men in there at all times and we need to trust our markers a bit more to do the job with less protection.

Ruairi Mullan was a player who impressed me an awful lot at corner back for the u21s a couple of years back. He dropped off the panel fairly sharpish this year, for whatever reason I'm not sure but I think he is well worth another look.

McNamee is along way ahead of cassidy & mccarron in tha FB line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on August 30, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 29, 2017, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 29, 2017, 10:03:50 PM
Agree with a previous poster that McCarron is done although I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see McCrory, McNamee and McCarron line out in the first round next year!

Mark Bradley had to be the most frustrated and annoyed out of all the players on Sunday. Up against 3 Dublin defenders and then of course called ashore when understandably he could make no impact against them. All those months training to play in a full house at Croker and his role is to play an impossible position that no footballer past or present could perform in. I'd say he's happy to be back playing for Killyclogher just to get a touch of the ball!

I don't know where I sit on the Harte issue now. It's maybe time for a change I just don't know!

Would like to see Cassidy get a few games next year at corner back, he has great pace and is a good player. McKernan will probably be another few years away from being physically ready for marking the elite forwards in big games but should be called in to get some experience.

Sadly there's not an awful lot of players in the county you'd fancy as quality man markers. I agree with what others have said about McCarron, he seems to have lost a lot of pace and got far too top heavy, he's had a poor season but I would still have him in the squad as an option at least, I think he is best suited anymore to the physical guys but his days as a marker for a mobile, elusive forward are numbered. McNamee was outstanding in 2015 but has had a few injuries since and doesn't look to be at the same level. His effort for the goal Sunday was pathetic

Something like this:

1) Morgan
2) Hampsey
3) McCarron
4) Cassidy
5) McCann
6) Rory Brennan
7) Meyler
8) C Cavanagh
9) McClure
10) R Donnelly
11) Sludden
12) Harte
13) Brennan/Bradley
14) M Donnelly
15) McAliskey

With Mattie playing out around the middle.

Whatever about the players being up to it or not, we need to try a few things new next year. McHugh, Loughran, McCullagh and Cassidy saw next to no action this year. We need to try and develop a ball winner in the full forward line, we need to have at least two men in there at all times and we need to trust our markers a bit more to do the job with less protection.

Ruairi Mullan was a player who impressed me an awful lot at corner back for the u21s a couple of years back. He dropped off the panel fairly sharpish this year, for whatever reason I'm not sure but I think he is well worth another look.

I forgot about McAliskey actually. Hope he returns well from the injury, would be very good option to have in the FF line. Has a bit of strength and ball winning about him.
The Mattie Donnelly one is the problem. the last two years he lined out at midfield and played around there, 2 all stars. This year he lined out at CF and played anywhere and everywhere but it didn't work for him, did he really know what he should be doing.. It also means we are losing out on lining out another possible scoring forward.. I think he has to line out at midfield and let us have another forward on the field
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 30, 2017, 10:30:59 AM
MDonnelly is far too slow,  don't know where you would play him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 30, 2017, 10:41:32 AM
I think our championship line up next year should look something like this...

Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
R Brennan
Harte
Donnelly
Colm Cav
McClure
Sludden
Mulgrew
L Brennan
Bradley
McAliskey

I'd have the team line up something like....

                                   Morgan

Hampsey                McNamee                     McCarron

                 McCann                    Brennan       
                               
                                 Colm Cav

McClure     Sludden     Harte     Donnelly         Mulgrew

                                    Bradley

                      L Brennan        McAliskey
   
There has to more commitment to attack and to do that we'd have no option but to give our defence more responsibility. Mayo play two men up front and Doherty as a link man between their defensive structure and forward unit. This gives the opposition no option but to leave more men back 'tagging.' Tiernan McCann talked about this on Wooly's podcast that last year Mayo stumped them because they commited more men forward. He, and the other defenders, had no option but to hang back and tag their men therefore almost wiping out our gameplan. Looking back with hindsight it was foolish to think this system could stump the Dubs. I suppose that's were our natural county bias clouds our rational thinking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 30, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
as others have said. McCarron is done at this level.

also don't think you can get away with having 2 small players in the forward line.  it's one or the other, if even that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 30, 2017, 11:28:18 AM
I actually don't know where I sit regarding the Harte situation.  At the start of the year I said he had to show progress and went onto clarify that progress would be winning against a Dublin, Kerry or Mayo something we hadn't done for years.  After the public humiliation that was Sunday My head is saying he has to go but my heart is saying another year he might be able to change it up.

I would love to know the thoughts of the players regarding the management.  Obviously Mickey rules the roost, players don't speak with RTE and that's respected until 10 minutes after they retire or leave the setup, so do they really respect the manager or is it a case of if you don't you will be dropped.

Its the unanswered questions.  If Mickey has the 100% backing of the players that will support his management even when he is outside the room then I'd be up for an extension.  I'm also wondering who do you replace him with?  Fergal Logan?? I don't think so.  Paul Devlin has shown that he isn't the man. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 30, 2017, 11:31:34 AM
Would it be worthwhile picking someone like Donnelly or McClure and try to develop them as inside men? Spend the whole winter and spring developing an alternative to the current approach.

I still find it crazy how rigid our tactics can be. If you look at soccer there can be occasions when the total tactical approach changes depending on the situation within a game. A 4-4-2 can change to a 3-5-2 to adapt to the challenges faced dynamically. We've got our defensive system sussed and it will stiffle weaker opposition, we need something more dynamic to give the top teams more to think about. I see no reason why these can't be used even within games depending on circumstances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 30, 2017, 11:49:04 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 30, 2017, 10:30:59 AM
MDonnelly is far too slow,  don't know where you would play him
Mattie Donnelly certainly isn't slow.
He can slow the play down at times, but he has plenty of pace.
I think he has to line out at MF. 
This year at corner forward, or that free role or whatever he was doing just wasnt as effective
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on August 30, 2017, 12:03:01 PM
Now that the dust has started to settle and the reality is setting in, a few points regarding Sunday and the situation we find ourselves in as a county going forward;

1. We are better than Sunday and I don't think Dublin are as good as we made them look albeit they were very impressive on the day
2. If Mayo learn from our mistakes then they will give Dublin all they want and may be victorious on the day but they will have to be at their best
3. Our system as has been alluded to several times is only functional when you are in front
4. We were too 'nice' on Sunday
5. We had one of the best teams of all time (03-08) with some legendary players but they all had a nasty, competitive and win at all costs attitude - we didn't have that on Sunday past.
6. Our 'big' players failed to turn up in Croke Park again when it mattered ala Kerry '14, Mayo '16. They weren't let play
7. Taking off Mark Bradley was insulting to the player - the sacrificial lamb who played against 3 players all game and was isolated and we take him off early like an underage club coach....take the wee corn8er forward off first FFS !!!
8. We obviously have no plan B.....or we do have the belief that we will NOT need a plan B....
9. All year we met opposition teams on the '45 with our defensive wall - this did not happen on Sunday - we met them at the D if at all. It seemed that we decided that if we keep out the goals then we win - O'Callaghan put an end to that ploy after a few minutes.
10. Morgan didn't take any '45's, all year he bolted up the pitch to take them...
11. we had no support runners all game,  our player on the ball was isolated (Dublin made sure this happened with their blocking of runners, pulling and hauling) - did we not expect this to happen. This is a standard tactic for Dublin !!
12. Sean Cavanagh, McCarron and possibly Justy will quit, other players may decide to pull the pin as the gap is too large and they are not prepared to sit on the bench all year and be used only for in house 15v15 games....

13. We are NOT in the top 3. the last 3 seasons have proved this...
14. The super 8's actually will benefit us as we are guaranteed 3 games if we get that far - we need to start winning big games again.
15. Ulster titles mean nothing ....unless you back it up with a big win in Croker
16. Who would want the Tyrone job - you have to win an AI to be deemed a success - this wont happen short term

17. Lets look forward to some club football - put us out of our misery....our 3 club championships are wide open.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on August 30, 2017, 12:13:35 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-virtually-a-criminal-offence-to-criticise-him-in-tyrone-joe-brolly-on-mickey-hartes-future-36083493.html
This is so true....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 30, 2017, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 29, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
In my opinion Harte should have one more year on the caveat that the one man in the opposition half is dropped. The reason we play, coach the kids in our clubs and travel the county/country following our club/county is for entertainment and fun. The bottom line is I want to enjoy myself and take my kids along to develop a passion for the games I love.

The game on Sunday was brutal as our team took a trimming but it's beginning to get extremely hard to accept the tactics we are employing and the impact that has on the games we are paying big money to follow. What would Mayo or Kerry do if they had have conceded that early goal? They'd reshuffle their pack and have a go. As a fan it was depressing knowing that Dublin's goal in the 4th minute almost certainly meant we were going to lose the game. What's even more startling is that from row x in the upper Cusack you could tell this mindset had more or less besieged the players. The urgency and resignation appeared to take hold straight away.

It would be really interesting to get an anonymous poll from the panel to see who is happy playing in this current system. Imagine being Mark Bradley who has probably dreamed of wearing the #14 jersey for Tyrone seniors in a full Croke Park on days like Sunday. As far as I can tell (I only managed to rewatch the match to half time) he got one shot off in the whole game. He literally is there to pull defenders out of position. Bullshit.

These issues were held at bay because we were winning and the QF from last year could be written off as a bad day at the office. However, the last three league games against better quality opposition was an early warning sign that this system is totally redundant.

We have a serious bunch of players who have the potential to score the big prize. However, we now have rock solid evidence that the current approach will not do. I'm not saying we should have won on Sunday because the Dubs were awesome, however, a more orthodox approach is unlikely to jeopardise our chances of playing football in August but It will surely provide a decent opposition for the top three teams. We need to put more trust in our natural talent but I have a sinking feeling that Mickey will stick with his guns and keep ploughing this ultra defensive furrow.

I agree with much of this. I've been saying for ages that this system we play is pointless. It has never beaten anybody we couldn't beat anyway playing a more expansive style. We'd have won as much by committing more to attack, it would have been more entertaining to play in and to watch and it might have given us a puncher's chance in games like Sunday.

I was shocked to hear Mickey say he wouldn't be making any major changes as the system has served us well. It hasn't. It always fails against top opposition and being able to beat or at least compete with top opposition is the only reason you would play like this. We have wasted the last few years building a more limited version of Donegal circa 2012-2014 - a style of football that is arguably already old hat even if you do it as well Donegal did. It's ironic that Mickey often says football has moved on and people complaining about his tactics haven't moved with the times. Watching Tyrone chase shadows from the very early stages of Sunday it was clear that it was Mickey who was at the wheel of the Ford Anglia for these past few years.

Mickey has got a lot of praise the last few weeks and those who dared question his tactics were written off. But Sunday was the big test and Tyrone failed it very badly. Had they even made some kind of contest of it then you could make a good argument that he had earned another year. But there is no sign that lessons have been learned. We have wasted the last couple of years on a flawed system. Squandered the last couple of seasons of Sean Cavanagh in a county jersey. Everyone is saying his legs were gone on Sunday but it was hardly the correct role for a 34 year old. He should have spent the last two years close to goal with the likes of Harte, Sludden and Donnelly up the field to help out. All the talk last week was that we were the best prepared side to leave Ulster. In reality, given all the talent, time, money and effort put into a team that had no idea what to do after the 5th minute suggests we were, relatively speaking, the most poorly prepared team ever to leave Ulster.

Mickey is a legend and there would be no guarantee that Tyrone would appoint a better manager. But I do think he has had plenty of chances now and isn't making the best use of the talent at his disposal. Time for a change.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 30, 2017, 01:54:53 PM
Mikhailov, point 10 is interesting as I watched Morgan being called up for a long range free but he didn't go. I'm nearly sure it was the one off the ground Petey Harte scored in first half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on August 30, 2017, 03:32:43 PM
Harte has to go....everyone lauds him for 3 all Irelands!! He actually should have won more with the group of players he had!!! Sorry... :(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 30, 2017, 04:15:27 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 30, 2017, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 29, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
In my opinion Harte should have one more year on the caveat that the one man in the opposition half is dropped. The reason we play, coach the kids in our clubs and travel the county/country following our club/county is for entertainment and fun. The bottom line is I want to enjoy myself and take my kids along to develop a passion for the games I love.

The game on Sunday was brutal as our team took a trimming but it's beginning to get extremely hard to accept the tactics we are employing and the impact that has on the games we are paying big money to follow. What would Mayo or Kerry do if they had have conceded that early goal? They'd reshuffle their pack and have a go. As a fan it was depressing knowing that Dublin's goal in the 4th minute almost certainly meant we were going to lose the game. What's even more startling is that from row x in the upper Cusack you could tell this mindset had more or less besieged the players. The urgency and resignation appeared to take hold straight away.

It would be really interesting to get an anonymous poll from the panel to see who is happy playing in this current system. Imagine being Mark Bradley who has probably dreamed of wearing the #14 jersey for Tyrone seniors in a full Croke Park on days like Sunday. As far as I can tell (I only managed to rewatch the match to half time) he got one shot off in the whole game. He literally is there to pull defenders out of position. Bullshit.

These issues were held at bay because we were winning and the QF from last year could be written off as a bad day at the office. However, the last three league games against better quality opposition was an early warning sign that this system is totally redundant.

We have a serious bunch of players who have the potential to score the big prize. However, we now have rock solid evidence that the current approach will not do. I'm not saying we should have won on Sunday because the Dubs were awesome, however, a more orthodox approach is unlikely to jeopardise our chances of playing football in August but It will surely provide a decent opposition for the top three teams. We need to put more trust in our natural talent but I have a sinking feeling that Mickey will stick with his guns and keep ploughing this ultra defensive furrow.

I agree with much of this. I've been saying for ages that this system we play is pointless. It has never beaten anybody we couldn't beat anyway playing a more expansive style. We'd have won as much by committing more to attack, it would have been more entertaining to play in and to watch and it might have given us a puncher's chance in games like Sunday.

I was shocked to hear Mickey say he wouldn't be making any major changes as the system has served us well. It hasn't. It always fails against top opposition and being able to beat or at least compete with top opposition is the only reason you would play like this. We have wasted the last few years building a more limited version of Donegal circa 2012-2014 - a style of football that is arguably already old hat even if you do it as well Donegal did. It's ironic that Mickey often says football has moved on and people complaining about his tactics haven't moved with the times. Watching Tyrone chase shadows from the very early stages of Sunday it was clear that it was Mickey who was at the wheel of the Ford Anglia for these past few years.

Mickey has got a lot of praise the last few weeks and those who dared question his tactics were written off. But Sunday was the big test and Tyrone failed it very badly. Had they even made some kind of contest of it then you could make a good argument that he had earned another year. But there is no sign that lessons have been learned. We have wasted the last couple of years on a flawed system. Squandered the last couple of seasons of Sean Cavanagh in a county jersey. Everyone is saying his legs were gone on Sunday but it was hardly the correct role for a 34 year old. He should have spent the last two years close to goal with the likes of Harte, Sludden and Donnelly up the field to help out. All the talk last week was that we were the best prepared side to leave Ulster. In reality, given all the talent, time, money and effort put into a team that had no idea what to do after the 5th minute suggests we were, relatively speaking, the most poorly prepared team ever to leave Ulster.

Mickey is a legend and there would be no guarantee that Tyrone would appoint a better manager. But I do think he has had plenty of chances now and isn't making the best use of the talent at his disposal. Time for a change.

100%

What Harte done in the past was remarkable, he will forever be a legend in Tyrone for bringing home 3 All Irelands but its now 9 years since and we havent even come close to winning it again. I cant remember a year since 08 when we can say "Tyrone were unlucky there, that team could've won the AI"

Fact is No other "Big" County would tolerate it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 30, 2017, 04:22:06 PM
If a new Manager is appointed he has to be given time, 3-5 years to develop. My fear is that after 1 or 2 poor results or 1 early exit there would be a clamour for his head.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 30, 2017, 04:54:54 PM
Clubs in the county don't give their managers breathing space because their paying that under performing manager, fail and your gone!! Will the clubs advise their county board delegates to back or sack Mickey that's what it comes down to only difference its not their money its other funds from the county purse that would go to Mickey.

Only man in the club football living on past glories is Damien Cassidy and if Clonoe exit this year I wouldn't expect a renewal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on August 31, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
some hysterics and nonsense written on this board. I really wonder how many have actually played football. Sunday was disappointing for everyone but the only reason you would get rid of harte would be to have a new voice in the changing room.

I do not see any of the options put forward changing our style dramatically and certainly not to go all out man for man versus a team like the Dubs, they don't even do that. Its like you are buying in to the joe brolly bulls**t train!

We won ulster and made an AI semi. Ok we got annihilated but they will learn a lot. Harte isn't going to walk away and the county won't sack him can you imagine the outcry nation wide.

Harte is doing the best he can with this bunch, probably is time for change but certainly not as a result of telling mickey to f**k off.

That south tyrone/Fermanagh clown has been silent for the last 2 months then the knives are out.

Sunday was a prof side playing an amateur side. The GAA as a whole should be worried
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 31, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 31, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
some hysterics and nonsense written on this board. I really wonder how many have actually played football. Sunday was disappointing for everyone but the only reason you would get rid of harte would be to have a new voice in the changing room.

I do not see any of the options put forward changing our style dramatically and certainly not to go all out man for man versus a team like the Dubs, they don't even do that. Its like you are buying in to the joe brolly bulls**t train!

We won ulster and made an AI semi. Ok we got annihilated but they will learn a lot. Harte isn't going to walk away and the county won't sack him can you imagine the outcry nation wide.

Harte is doing the best he can with this bunch, probably is time for change but certainly not as a result of telling mickey to f**k off.

That south tyrone/Fermanagh clown has been silent for the last 2 months then the knives are out.

Sunday was a prof side playing an amateur side. The GAA as a whole should be worried

Theres been plenty examples in the past where legendary managers got heaved before they or others expected. Micko, Paudi there are more than that too.

I'm not saying getting rid of Mickey is the right or wrong thing to do but the way you put it you make it sound an impossibility which is nonsense also.

Something is going wrong between the age of 18-21 in Tyrone if you compare with Dublin in the last 10 years - Tyrone have a similar or possibly even better minor record than Dublin but when you compare this to the last 7-8 years of U21's its night and day between the two counties with Tyrone producing very little and Dublin's record is still at minor level or even better. Is the defensive football being bred at U21 level?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 31, 2017, 10:46:09 AM
I'm not calling for Mickey to go, in fact I think it would be a mistake. However, there can be no doubt that our tactical approach needs to change. It clearly won't do when it comes to the business end of the championship and it is piss poor to watch. The worrying thing is Mickey appears to be sticking to his guns according to media interviews after the game. I'm hoping that things are reviewed over the winter and a more attacking based approach is implemented. I'm not talking 6 forwards up front at all times but the one man in the entire half approach at the minute is a busted flush.

I
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 31, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
some hysterics and nonsense written on this board. I really wonder how many have actually played football. Sunday was disappointing for everyone but the only reason you would get rid of harte would be to have a new voice in the changing room.

I do not see any of the options put forward changing our style dramatically and certainly not to go all out man for man versus a team like the Dubs, they don't even do that. Its like you are buying in to the joe brolly bulls**t train!

We won ulster and made an AI semi. Ok we got annihilated but they will learn a lot. Harte isn't going to walk away and the county won't sack him can you imagine the outcry nation wide.

Harte is doing the best he can with this bunch, probably is time for change but certainly not as a result of telling mickey to f**k off.

That south tyrone/Fermanagh clown has been silent for the last 2 months then the knives are out.

Sunday was a prof side playing an amateur side. The GAA as a whole should be worried

The mans been there for 15 years. Surely at this stage its time to give someone else a crack at it. According to you whoever else comes in is going to fail straight away. Theres no way of knowing what will happen with a new manager but what we do know for certain is that if Harte stays then the style of defensive football remains and there is no future in it. Maybe another couple of Ulster titles but at what expense, ruining another promising batch of players with defensive crap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on August 31, 2017, 11:36:07 AM
All the current players are backing Mickey in the media because he is still there!!! when he goes I'd be surprised if you don't hear a different opinion!!! Same as all the ex players going to RTE as soon as they leave!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 31, 2017, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 31, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
some hysterics and nonsense written on this board. I really wonder how many have actually played football. Sunday was disappointing for everyone but the only reason you would get rid of harte would be to have a new voice in the changing room.

I do not see any of the options put forward changing our style dramatically and certainly not to go all out man for man versus a team like the Dubs, they don't even do that. Its like you are buying in to the joe brolly bulls**t train!

We won ulster and made an AI semi. Ok we got annihilated but they will learn a lot. Harte isn't going to walk away and the county won't sack him can you imagine the outcry nation wide.

Harte is doing the best he can with this bunch, probably is time for change but certainly not as a result of telling mickey to f**k off.

That south tyrone/Fermanagh clown has been silent for the last 2 months then the knives are out.

Sunday was a prof side playing an amateur side. The GAA as a whole should be worried

Theres been plenty examples in the past where legendary managers got heaved before they or others expected. Micko, Paudi there are more than that too.

I'm not saying getting rid of Mickey is the right or wrong thing to do but the way you put it you make it sound an impossibility which is nonsense also.

Something is going wrong between the age of 18-21 in Tyrone if you compare with Dublin in the last 10 years - Tyrone have a similar or possibly even better minor record than Dublin but when you compare this to the last 7-8 years of U21's its night and day between the two counties with Tyrone producing very little and Dublin's record is still at minor level or even better. Is the defensive football being bred at U21 level?

I thought I heard the U-21 were EVEN MORE DEFENSIVE than the seniors. Why would anyone want to play in this system?? Its hard enough to watch but I would imagine playing it in would be soul destroying
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on August 31, 2017, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 31, 2017, 10:46:09 AM
I'm not calling for Mickey to go, in fact I think it would be a mistake. However, there can be no doubt that our tactical approach needs to change. It clearly won't do when it comes to the business end of the championship and it is piss poor to watch. The worrying thing is Mickey appears to be sticking to his guns according to media interviews after the game. I'm hoping that things are reviewed over the winter and a more attacking based approach is implemented. I'm not talking 6 forwards up front at all times but the one man in the entire half approach at the minute is a busted flush.

I

So your master plan is stick 2 men up front? Listen its a clear as day you never kicked a ball in your life from your posts. I will take Mickey Harte over your dung any day.

He was trying to come up with a plan to beat Dublin. By the league game it looked like it work. There is countless reasons as to why we didn't win on sunday but the easy target is the "game plan" because brolly says so.

Nobody else in ire has beat them in the championship in 3 years and won't This big problem in tyrone people harp on about still got us to an AI
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 12:50:16 PM
Redhandefender, you have ur head as far up ur hole as mickey Harte does and all the rest of the hangers on up in garvaghy bubble. Sad thing is they cant even see what's goin around them they are that blinkered.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 31, 2017, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 12:50:16 PM
Redhandefender, you have ur head as far up ur hole as mickey Harte does and all the rest of the hangers on up in garvaghy bubble. Sad thing is they cant even see what's goin around them they are that blinkered.

+1

You couldnt defend the regime anymore Redhandefender
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:07:44 PM
On another note the u17s deserve great credit for a brilliant performance in the final, particularly in the first half. Some great score taking and nice play. Canavan was a joy to watch. Thought the full back was excellent as well and munroe cut a lot of stuff out. Hopefully we see plenty of these players in the u20s and progressing over the next few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 31, 2017, 02:28:56 PM
I've been saying the system is rubbish for ages. You would only use it if it beat more talented sides. It doesn't and never has. It's also moronic to suggest that Dublin play the same style because they also pull men back in numbers. They can do when required but they invariably have plenty of men in attack. It's not comparable to what Tyrone do. And I don't think anybody is suggesting Tyrone go man to man. But there is a big difference between going man to man and leaving one man up the field. It's something in between that is required. There are talented attacking players on that panel. Mickey needs to have more faith in them, and indeed in the ability of defenders to defend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

What about Armagh have they gone backwards too? I'd say Armagh are around the same level they were then and Tyrone beat them by 17/18 points. We have improved from then, there is no doubt.

Unless we play Dublin again next Sunday without the system we wont know how much difference it made. Down in Kerry we tried to push up on them and are backs got cleaned out and we couldn't win the ball.

Is there a possibility that the players aren't good enough to win All Irelands at the minute and the system is getting the most out of them in terms of results?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

What about Armagh have they gone backwards too? I'd say Armagh are around the same level they were then and Tyrone beat them by 17/18 points. We have improved from then, there is no doubt.

Unless we play Dublin again next Sunday without the system we wont know how much difference it made. Down in Kerry we tried to push up on them and are backs got cleaned out and we couldn't win the ball.

Is there a possibility that the players aren't good enough to win All Irelands at the minute and the system is getting the most out of them in terms of results?

The players are more than good enough and if Micky cant get the best out of them then its time for him to step aside gracefully. His record in the past is not and never will be up for debate but hes clearly ran put of ideas and is just rehashing old defensive systems and expecting results. Mayo should be an example to Tyrone in how to get the best out of a group of players, Tyrone have equally as talented footballers as Mayo but are using them in the wrong way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

Out of curiosity if you had every player available in Tyrone what would the team you would have started on Sunday been?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

Out of curiosity if you had every player available in Tyrone what would the team you would have started on Sunday been?

Morgan
Hampshey
McNamee
Brennan
Harte
Burns
McCann
Cavanagh
Donnelly
McClure
Sludden
Myler
McAliskey
Cavanagh
R Donnelly

C. Cavanagh in his usual role, Burns holding the middle of the defense, Matty Donnelly with a bit of freedom and the 2 wing half forwards working back, pull R Donnelly out to hold the 11 position and leave 2 men up front at all times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on August 31, 2017, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

Out of curiosity if you had every player available in Tyrone what would the team you would have started on Sunday been?

Morgan
Hampshey
McNamee
Brennan
Harte
Burns
McCann
Cavanagh
Donnelly
McClure
Sludden
Myler
McAliskey
Cavanagh
R Donnelly

C. Cavanagh in his usual role, Burns holding the middle of the defense, Matty Donnelly with a bit of freedom and the 2 wing half forwards working back, pull R Donnelly out to hold the 11 position and leave 2 men up front at all times.

lol what nonsense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 31, 2017, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

Out of curiosity if you had every player available in Tyrone what would the team you would have started on Sunday been?

Morgan
Hampshey
McNamee
Brennan
Harte
Burns
McCann
Cavanagh
Donnelly
McClure
Sludden
Myler
McAliskey
Cavanagh
R Donnelly

C. Cavanagh in his usual role, Burns holding the middle of the defense, Matty Donnelly with a bit of freedom and the 2 wing half forwards working back, pull R Donnelly out to hold the 11 position and leave 2 men up front at all times.

lol what nonsense

Is it too difficult for you to understand? Never mind school starts again next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 31, 2017, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 31, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
some hysterics and nonsense written on this board. I really wonder how many have actually played football. Sunday was disappointing for everyone but the only reason you would get rid of harte would be to have a new voice in the changing room.

I do not see any of the options put forward changing our style dramatically and certainly not to go all out man for man versus a team like the Dubs, they don't even do that. Its like you are buying in to the joe brolly bulls**t train!

We won ulster and made an AI semi. Ok we got annihilated but they will learn a lot. Harte isn't going to walk away and the county won't sack him can you imagine the outcry nation wide.

Harte is doing the best he can with this bunch, probably is time for change but certainly not as a result of telling mickey to f**k off.

That south tyrone/Fermanagh clown has been silent for the last 2 months then the knives are out.

Sunday was a prof side playing an amateur side. The GAA as a whole should be worried

Whats has this got to do with having an opinion?  Are you suggesting if you havent played the game you dont know what you are talking about?   What level have you played to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on August 31, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
 Wonder what happened our Conveyor belt off talent,which was heavily talked about 09/10 adding an under 21 title in 2015, in Football terms we have stalled somewhere along the line.... Does the Management need to change i dont know if that would cure our problem short term or not to be honest... We go man v man v Dublin and we prob like most teams in Ireland would have been beat by 20 instead of 12.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 31, 2017, 08:12:37 PM
Redhanddefender, I'll echo GoldenYear's question, what level have you played to that leaves you the Oracle of football tactics? Furthermore, what way would you have set out our stall on Sunday? Easy being the problems guy instead of firing up alternative suggestions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on August 31, 2017, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on August 31, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
Wonder what happened our Conveyor belt off talent,which was heavily talked about 09/10 adding an under 21 title in 2015, in Football terms we have stalled somewhere along the line.... Does the Management need to change i dont know if that would cure our problem short term or not to be honest... We go man v man v Dublin and we prob like most teams in Ireland would have been beat by 20 instead of 12.....

so it was damaged limitation? time to pack it in if that's the attitude...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 10:09:28 PM
heard yesterday we had an ex player in doing shooting practice drills before the dublin game. kerry have maurice fitzgerald doin theirs, dublin have jason sherlock. we have.... mark harte. you couldnt make it up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on August 31, 2017, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 10:09:28 PM
heard yesterday we had an ex player in doing shooting practice drills before the dublin game. kerry have maurice fitzgerald doin theirs, dublin have jason sherlock. we have.... mark harte. you couldnt make it up.

have you contacted the press about this shocking turn of events?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on August 31, 2017, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 10:09:28 PM
heard yesterday we had an ex player in doing shooting practice drills before the dublin game. kerry have maurice fitzgerald doin theirs, dublin have jason sherlock. we have.... mark harte. you couldnt make it up.

A certain player was entrusted with the free kicks at a point in 2016. During a league game when the result was beyond doubt after a 100% success rate on frees he missed a relatively easy one late in the game. Next night training at Garvaghy none other than Mark Harte and Gavin Devin took him for a personal 2:1 free kick training session after the main session to re-create the missed free kick. Wasn't let off the pitch til kicked 10 in a row. Talk about coaching the enjoyment and instinct out of lads. Drill a hole in ur head that sh1te.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on August 31, 2017, 11:16:22 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 31, 2017, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on August 31, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
Wonder what happened our Conveyor belt off talent,which was heavily talked about 09/10 adding an under 21 title in 2015, in Football terms we have stalled somewhere along the line.... Does the Management need to change i dont know if that would cure our problem short term or not to be honest... We go man v man v Dublin and we prob like most teams in Ireland would have been beat by 20 instead of 12.....

so it was damaged limitation? time to pack it in if that's the attitude...

would had of like we did really have a go at it....we didn't....at no stage did we go for it even at 4/5 behind nothing changed so it was damage limitation....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 11:38:39 PM
what the f**k would gavin devlin know about taking free kicks? since when has mark harte been added to the backroom team? they are like a fuckin cartel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 01, 2017, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 11:38:39 PM
what the f**k would gavin devlin know about taking free kicks? since when has mark harte been added to the backroom team? they are like a fuckin cartel.

How is your new supporters club going?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 01, 2017, 08:24:57 AM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on August 31, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 31, 2017, 02:01:17 PM
Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

Out of curiosity if you had every player available in Tyrone what would the team you would have started on Sunday been?

Morgan
Hampshey
McNamee
Brennan
Harte
Burns
McCann
Cavanagh
Donnelly
McClure
Sludden
Myler
McAliskey
Cavanagh
R Donnelly

C. Cavanagh in his usual role, Burns holding the middle of the defense, Matty Donnelly with a bit of freedom and the 2 wing half forwards working back, pull R Donnelly out to hold the 11 position and leave 2 men up front at all times.

10 or 11 of them players played on Sunday. Richie Donnelly and McAliskey were injured all year so weren't options. The few other players you have added in have yet to really prove themselves at this level. I can't see how that team lined up would get any closer to Dublin than on Sunday.

People give me grief for defending Harte but I will always support the team no matter who is in charge and will get behind the manager. Now is the time to consider his position not midseason. I'd certainly like to have an idea that the system will be changed and we will go for it a bit more before Harte is reappointed. His backroom team seems geared towards the defensive side of things. Perhaps Harte should stay but a strong number 2 brought in with fresh new attacking ideas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 01, 2017, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 11:38:39 PM
what the f**k would gavin devlin know about taking free kicks? since when has mark harte been added to the backroom team? they are like a fuckin cartel.

How is your new supporters club going?
won't be much need for a supporters club if mickey stays on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 01, 2017, 12:18:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 01, 2017, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 11:38:39 PM
what the f**k would gavin devlin know about taking free kicks? since when has mark harte been added to the backroom team? they are like a fuckin cartel.

How is your new supporters club going?
won't be much need for a supporters club if mickey stays on.

You were boasting about that last year, then when things went well wanted to join a supporters club and no doubt were among the 20,000 or so Tyrone fans in Dublin. Thankfully most people support the county not the manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 12:55:56 PM
That's good at least we know everyone will get behind the new manager next year and the supporters club will flourish.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 01, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 01, 2017, 01:18:36 PM
They didnt increase his tenure as they felt no need for it.Mickey be given new tenure very soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 01, 2017, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 01, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

We haven't achieved back to back ulster titles too many times and I'm sure there was plenty of other years the ulster championship wasn't of the highest standard. We won the rest of the games before Sunday by 9 points plus. If you look back at the pre Harte years our record wasn't exactly brilliant. We got beat by one of the best and financially prepared teams ever last week. No one is happy with the tactics and would like to see a change but I'm not convinced a new manager will bring any more success.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on September 01, 2017, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 01, 2017, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 01, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

We haven't achieved back to back ulster titles too many times and I'm sure there was plenty of other years the ulster championship wasn't of the highest standard. We won the rest of the games before Sunday by 9 points plus. If you look back at the pre Harte years our record wasn't exactly brilliant. We got beat by one of the best and financially prepared teams ever last week. No one is happy with the tactics and would like to see a change but I'm not convinced a new manager will bring any more success.

The lack of aggression and physicality in the first 15 killed tyrone, you can't send a statement of walking away from the parade without backing it up. Dublin didn't miss from difficult positions which will be difficult to replicate, there wide count was very small (it flashed 9-2 on the big screen in the 2nd half I think),and the turnovers in the tackle were criminal.

But the second half subs all made huge input in terms of energy and impact McMenamin, O'Gara, Flynn vs O'Neill, McCurry and McClure, with MD McCauley and Bernard Brogan not getting game time, no other team in the country has that sort of bench so lads, its a good tyrone team unfortunately there is a brilliant team ahead of them for a while so ye just have to accept it and not completely hang a very committed group on one result.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 01, 2017, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 31, 2017, 08:12:37 PM
Redhanddefender, I'll echo GoldenYear's question, what level have you played to that leaves you the Oracle of football tactics? Furthermore, what way would you have set out our stall on Sunday? Easy being the problems guy instead of firing up alternative suggestions.

I kicked a ball which is probably a damn side more than you!

Such a crowd of hysterical weemen waiting in the wings for a slip up.

I would have lined out the exact same way the last day, the way that got us through ulster. Mickey will be looking at it more than anyone.

He will get an extension for countless reasons and yous will all still be yappin this time next year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 01, 2017, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 01, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

Mickey will be given a new contract within the next month. To be discussed at next week's County Committee meeting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 01, 2017, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 01, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

Mickey will be given a new contract within the next month. To be discussed at next week's County Committee meeting.
bullshit. he is gone. if he gets back in there will be war in every village and town in tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 01, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 01, 2017, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 01, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

Mickey will be given a new contract within the next month. To be discussed at next week's County Committee meeting.
bullshit. he is gone. if he gets back in there will be war in every village and town in tyrone.

There won't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 01, 2017, 10:08:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 01, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 01, 2017, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 01, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Putting personal opinion on the matter aside for a moment what do you all think the county board will do regards micky staying on next year?

Surely not increasing his stay last year and the manner of the demolition last week will only make their decision easier no?

Mickey will be given a new contract within the next month. To be discussed at next week's County Committee meeting.
bullshit. he is gone. if he gets back in there will be war in every village and town in tyrone.

There won't.
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He will get back in and in time blame the players for Sunday. Also will hype up going for three-in-a-row Ulster titles as an All Ireland title is miles beyond where Tyrone are at. He did a great job 2003 to 2008 but now so far behind other top coaches...

When has he ever blamed the players for defeats?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
from what ive heard out and about there are very few people who want harte back. if what im hearing is replicated throughout the other clubs then i honestly dont know how he could get enough delegates to keep him in a job. alot of angry people in the county at the moment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 01, 2017, 10:34:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
from what ive heard out and about there are very few people who want harte back. if what im hearing is replicated throughout the other clubs then i honestly dont know how he could get enough delegates to keep him in a job. alot of angry people in the county at the moment.

Who do you want to replace him? Genuine question as it will be Club's that nominate any successor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 10:48:14 PM
well from what i hear from the monaghan camp is that malachy o rourke may not be with them next year so he has to be high up the list. i still think mattie mc gleenan could be worth a punt, mayo took a punt on rochford with no county experience and its worked well for them. canavan, logan ,dooher would have to be in the running at some stage but wont happen if mickey leaves badly. paddy tally could come back in some shape or form. why not even link up mc gleenan with paddy tally? or o rourke/ tally?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on September 02, 2017, 12:11:32 AM
There needs to be a change but definitely not McGleenan. The problem is that there aren't a lot of viable candidates to choose from. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 02, 2017, 12:47:38 AM
Quote from: clarshack on September 02, 2017, 12:11:32 AM
There needs to be a change but definitely not McGleenan. The problem is that there aren't a lot of viable candidates to choose from.

I agree and that's the issue I have with the "Mickey out" brigade. If there was an outstanding candidate waiting in the wings I think I'd be more comfortable with Mickey stepping aside. I just worry that a wrong choice would send us spiraling into Armagh and Derry territory. Personally I'd quite like to keep Mickey with Peter alongside. I think Peter would be a big enough character to influence a very stubborn Mickey. Plus he'd be an inspirational personality to have around. I also think Peter could do with Mickey's experience and steady hand with a view to future progression.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on September 02, 2017, 08:02:08 AM
How do you get rid of a man that has just won back to back Ulster titles and kept us playing Div 1 football. A lot of people in Tyrone are spoilt brats on the back of success that was delivered by Harte himself. 
They should be careful for what they wish for - just look around
Derry - no Ulster senior title in 20 years. Armagh no Ulster title this decade - both playing in Div 3. Down pretty much the same. Don't think the same thing can't happen to Tyrone - who could have predicted for example Derry not to win an Ulster title for 20 years in the late 1990s

Now if Mickey had us playing in Div 3 with no prospects in Ulster then I would be calling for him to go.
If a manager in any other Ulster county had just won back to back Ulster titles and delivered Div 1 status he would be hailed as some sort of Messiah.
The problem that we have is that Tyrone have a good team but Dublin are the best team ever to play the game in my opinion. No change of management can do much about that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 02, 2017, 08:43:24 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2017, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 02, 2017, 08:02:08 AM
How do you get rid of a man that has just won back to back Ulster titles and kept us playing Div 1 football. A lot of people in Tyrone are spoilt brats on the back of success that was delivered by Harte himself. 
They should be careful for what they wish for - just look around
Derry - no Ulster senior title in 20 years. Armagh no Ulster title this decade - both playing in Div 3. Down pretty much the same. Don't think the same thing can't happen to Tyrone - who could have predicted for example Derry not to win an Ulster title for 20 years in the late 1990s

Now if Mickey had us playing in Div 3 with no prospects in Ulster then I would be calling for him to go.
If a manager in any other Ulster county had just won back to back Ulster titles and delivered Div 1 status he would be hailed as some sort of Messiah.
The problem that we have is that Tyrone have a good team but Dublin are the best team ever to play the game in my opinion. No change of management can do much about that.

A decent club team would have beat those Ulster teams. Not that long ago Tyrone were in the business of challenging for All Ireland titles and Phillip Jordan has said winning Ulster only meant a stepping stone to that. Last Sunday showed tactically Harte is now way behind Gavin and other managers... apparently it was the lowest tackle count against this Dublin team in recent years. If that is satisfactary we've back to the 1970s when winning Ulster was the height of our ambition. At least Mayo and Kerry would have a go...

In the 70s Ulster was shite and we still weren't winning it. Point me to back to back Ulster titles back then? I suspect you weren't around in those days to realise what it actually was like. Tyrone played Derry in Lurgan, I think circa 1979 and the talk before hand was if we'd actually field a team. We came up against a great Dublin team who knew not to engage in the tackle, fair play to them they outfoxed us. Hopefully it is the sign to come up with a new plan but I'm not sure anyone is better equipped to do that than the guy we have, maybe with a few additions to the back room team. The reality is that we don't have the players at the moment to compete with Dublin and anyone who thinks we have is blinded by previous successes. We went man to man on Kerry in the league, as a trial I suppose, and they utterly hammered us by half time. Hopefully there is a new wave of talent coming through at underage but unfortunately (or fortunately) our current tactics, although not pretty has probably kept us relatively competitive. I don't think Matty McGleenan (mental choice for a new manager) or anyone else will have a magic wand to change things. Someone mentioned Paddy Tally - did you see the tactics he employed with St Mary's in the Sigerson??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 02, 2017, 08:47:01 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 02, 2017, 08:43:24 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2017, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 02, 2017, 08:02:08 AM
How do you get rid of a man that has just won back to back Ulster titles and kept us playing Div 1 football. A lot of people in Tyrone are spoilt brats on the back of success that was delivered by Harte himself. 
They should be careful for what they wish for - just look around
Derry - no Ulster senior title in 20 years. Armagh no Ulster title this decade - both playing in Div 3. Down pretty much the same. Don't think the same thing can't happen to Tyrone - who could have predicted for example Derry not to win an Ulster title for 20 years in the late 1990s

Now if Mickey had us playing in Div 3 with no prospects in Ulster then I would be calling for him to go.
If a manager in any other Ulster county had just won back to back Ulster titles and delivered Div 1 status he would be hailed as some sort of Messiah.
The problem that we have is that Tyrone have a good team but Dublin are the best team ever to play the game in my opinion. No change of management can do much about that.

A decent club team would have beat those Ulster teams. Not that long ago Tyrone were in the business of challenging for All Ireland titles and Phillip Jordan has said winning Ulster only meant a stepping stone to that. Last Sunday showed tactically Harte is now way behind Gavin and other managers... apparently it was the lowest tackle count against this Dublin team in recent years. If that is satisfactary we've back to the 1970s when winning Ulster was the height of our ambition. At least Mayo and Kerry would have a go...

In the 70s Ulster was shite and we still weren't winning it. Point me to back to back Ulster titles back then? I suspect you weren't around in those days to realise what it actually was like. Tyrone played Derry in Lurgan, I think circa 1979 and the talk before hand was if we'd actually field a team. We came up against a great Dublin team who knew not to engage in the tackle, fair play to them they outfoxed us. Hopefully it is the sign to come up with a new plan but I'm not sure anyone is better equipped to do that than the guy we have, maybe with a few additions to the back room team. The reality is that we don't have the players at the moment to compete with Dublin and anyone who thinks we have is blinded by previous successes. We went man to man on Kerry in the league, as a trial I suppose, and they utterly hammered us by half time. Hopefully there is a new wave of talent coming through at underage but unfortunately (or fortunately) our current tactics, although not pretty has probably kept us relatively competitive. I don't think Matty McGleenan (mental choice for a new manager) or anyone else will have a magic wand to change things. Someone mentioned Paddy Tally - did you see the tactics he employed with St Mary's in the Sigerson??

That is absolute nonsense that there was talk Tyrone would not have the players to field a team and them fielding teams for decades. Did St Mary's not win the Sigerson this year?  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 02, 2017, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2017, 08:47:01 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 02, 2017, 08:43:24 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2017, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 02, 2017, 08:02:08 AM
How do you get rid of a man that has just won back to back Ulster titles and kept us playing Div 1 football. A lot of people in Tyrone are spoilt brats on the back of success that was delivered by Harte himself. 
They should be careful for what they wish for - just look around
Derry - no Ulster senior title in 20 years. Armagh no Ulster title this decade - both playing in Div 3. Down pretty much the same. Don't think the same thing can't happen to Tyrone - who could have predicted for example Derry not to win an Ulster title for 20 years in the late 1990s

Now if Mickey had us playing in Div 3 with no prospects in Ulster then I would be calling for him to go.
If a manager in any other Ulster county had just won back to back Ulster titles and delivered Div 1 status he would be hailed as some sort of Messiah.
The problem that we have is that Tyrone have a good team but Dublin are the best team ever to play the game in my opinion. No change of management can do much about that.

A decent club team would have beat those Ulster teams. Not that long ago Tyrone were in the business of challenging for All Ireland titles and Phillip Jordan has said winning Ulster only meant a stepping stone to that. Last Sunday showed tactically Harte is now way behind Gavin and other managers... apparently it was the lowest tackle count against this Dublin team in recent years. If that is satisfactary we've back to the 1970s when winning Ulster was the height of our ambition. At least Mayo and Kerry would have a go...

In the 70s Ulster was shite and we still weren't winning it. Point me to back to back Ulster titles back then? I suspect you weren't around in those days to realise what it actually was like. Tyrone played Derry in Lurgan, I think circa 1979 and the talk before hand was if we'd actually field a team. We came up against a great Dublin team who knew not to engage in the tackle, fair play to them they outfoxed us. Hopefully it is the sign to come up with a new plan but I'm not sure anyone is better equipped to do that than the guy we have, maybe with a few additions to the back room team. The reality is that we don't have the players at the moment to compete with Dublin and anyone who thinks we have is blinded by previous successes. We went man to man on Kerry in the league, as a trial I suppose, and they utterly hammered us by half time. Hopefully there is a new wave of talent coming through at underage but unfortunately (or fortunately) our current tactics, although not pretty has probably kept us relatively competitive. I don't think Matty McGleenan (mental choice for a new manager) or anyone else will have a magic wand to change things. Someone mentioned Paddy Tally - did you see the tactics he employed with St Mary's in the Sigerson??

That is absolute nonsense that there was talk Tyrone would not have the players to field a team and them fielding teams for decades. Did St Mary's not win the Sigerson this year?  :o

The same tactics though. Your argument is that it'll win you lesser competitions like Ulster and Sigersons but it won't beat Dublin and the better county teams. More of the same with Paddy but I'm not criticisung that. A good manager will come in, look at our squad and most likely decide that our style of play suits them best.

Re. The 70s, of course we fielded. But at times with 17/18 men squads and late additions. Anyone who thinks we are anyway close to where we where in the 70s is deluded.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on September 02, 2017, 10:55:23 AM
To hear some on here you would think mickey took over Tyrone in division 3 and turned them from also rans to all Ireland winners. Tyrone won the national league in 2002 and were one of the best teams in Ireland and he inherited the most magnificent squad of players who gave us 5 wonderful years. Nobody is disputing that he did a great job and will be held in the highest regard forever but his legacy is already tarnished by staying too long and becoming a dictator.
If he wants to stay in county football I am sure he could get plenty of offers to prove himself again in another county. And you know what that may be good for him too.
As for next year it is a good time for someone to take over as the team are good enough to stay in division one and win ulster which is what they did this year so that would be a relatively stable transition. A new voice and regime may also give the whole thing a lift.
Forget about winning the ofiach cup and the drive for six to whatver crap appears on here when the McKenna cup comes around and develop a better style of play and give players a chance as we need a couple of backs and a couple of forwards to step up.
But for now let's enjoy the business end of the club season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 02, 2017, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 01, 2017, 10:48:14 PM
well from what i hear from the monaghan camp is that malachy o rourke may not be with them next year so he has to be high up the list. i still think mattie mc gleenan could be worth a punt, mayo took a punt on rochford with no county experience and its worked well for them. canavan, logan ,dooher would have to be in the running at some stage but wont happen if mickey leaves badly. paddy tally could come back in some shape or form. why not even link up mc gleenan with paddy tally? or o rourke/ tally?

I'm convinced you are a wind up. What exactly would be the point in replacing harte with orourke? Tyrone met Monaghan twice in quarte finals in recent years and harte completely out witted them on the line. Also at a time when Monaghan have won of their best teams ever they got knocked out at home to Longford and lost this year to down. Despite a strong squad and at times the best forward in Ireland they haven't made it past a quarter final.

I don't even know if I want to comment on mcgleenan. He seems like a great guy who does his best but Cavan hardly won a game all year and most supporters seem to want him gone. He had no other inter county experience.

I've no idea who people think will do a better job than harte. We have been unsuccessful at u21 for ten years other than one year. We maybe need to focus as much on this and bringing younger players through than on the manager of the seniors. I think I'd be more than happy with harte staying and a strong number 2 like canavan coming in.

If we change I just hope it's for the right reasons and we are actually bringing in someone who will make a difference. We could easily end up like Armagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on September 02, 2017, 12:48:46 PM
Tyrone had won a NationalLeague title with players that he developed at u21 and minor level
He inherited a team that had got beaten by Sligo in theQF in a county that had won 0 All Ireland's in 100 years.

quote author=The Trap link=topic=2312.msg1732592#msg1732592 date=1504346123]
To hear some on here you would think mickey took over Tyrone in division 3 and turned them from also rans to all Ireland winners. Tyrone won the national league in 2002 and were one of the best teams in Ireland and he inherited the most magnificent squad of players who gave us 5 wonderful years. Nobody is disputing that he did a great job and will be held in the highest regard forever but his legacy is already tarnished by staying too long and becoming a dictator.
If he wants to stay in county football I am sure he could get plenty of offers to prove himself again in another county. And you know what that may be good for him too.
As for next year it is a good time for someone to take over as the team are good enough to stay in division one and win ulster which is what they did this year so that would be a relatively stable transition. A new voice and regime may also give the whole thing a lift.
Forget about winning the ofiach cup and the drive for six to whatver crap appears on here when the McKenna cup comes around and develop a better style of play and give players a chance as we need a couple of backs and a couple of forwards to step up.
But for now let's enjoy the business end of the club season.
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 02, 2017, 12:56:54 PM
Quote from: The Trap on September 02, 2017, 10:55:23 AM
To hear some on here you would think mickey took over Tyrone in division 3 and turned them from also rans to all Ireland winners. Tyrone won the national league in 2002 and were one of the best teams in Ireland and he inherited the most magnificent squad of players who gave us 5 wonderful years. Nobody is disputing that he did a great job and will be held in the highest regard forever but his legacy is already tarnished by staying too long and becoming a dictator.
If he wants to stay in county football I am sure he could get plenty of offers to prove himself again in another county. And you know what that may be good for him too.
As for next year it is a good time for someone to take over as the team are good enough to stay in division one and win ulster which is what they did this year so that would be a relatively stable transition. A new voice and regime may also give the whole thing a lift.
Forget about winning the ofiach cup and the drive for six to whatver crap appears on here when the McKenna cup comes around and develop a better style of play and give players a chance as we need a couple of backs and a couple of forwards to step up.
But for now let's enjoy the business end of the club season.

So the new manager just needs to develop better style of play (that wins the AI as clearly that's the minimum requirement) and unearth a couple of forwards and a couple of backs (who will need to be better than what Dublin have if we are to win that AI). It's fairly easy then. So who's your magic man for the job?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on September 02, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
In terms of the defenders issue. Giving opportunities to HP McGeary and Michael Cassidy and see how they fair rather than give McCrory and McCarron game after game. Think McGeary never seen a second all year and Cassidy played about 15 minutes in the McKenna cup. Don't see how anyone would be willing to hang around for that, added in missing out of 5 club games.
In terms of call ups, Danny Gorman, Michael McKernan and Shea Hamill are the players I would like to see get a chance. By chance i mean play in league games and see how they fair against top level players, not McKenna cup and then sit in the stand rest of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on September 02, 2017, 01:20:59 PM
Regarding the forward issue. Dont see any forwards outside of the county panel worth a look at. Ruairi Sludden from Dromore and Kyle Coney from Ardboe maybe but I dont see either as an improvement on what the current panel has to offer.
In the AISF 2015 against Kerry we played with Mark Bradley at 11 and McCurry and McAliskey inside and played with some adventure and played well and should have won the game. However from this the adventure shown that day hasn't been seen since. I think the players are there if they play with more adventure and have a go, rather than this percentage safety first approach.
Same as the defenders, Lee Brennan, Cahir McCullagh and Ronan McHugh need to play league games to see if they are going to be good enough come championship time, playing against U21 teams and Universities isn't showing us what they can actually do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on September 02, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
Right Sam so Micky developed all of the players that won in 03 05 and 08...not the clubs or schools etc. What about the players that won all ireland minors under different management? How come he can't develop them in to all ireland winners?
As i said before the man is a legend but you can't say anyone who would like a change is wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 02, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Bringing Canavan in wouldn't improve anything. Great ballers don't always make great managers, his club and County record are poor and I believe that's why he takes an easy pound from Sky

It's the lack of adventure and plan B that has annoyed the supporters. Anyone who wants Harte gone are not doubting his trophies or what he has done but it's been 9 years now. Nobody else would have lasted that long in any Club/County anywere in any sport

Realistically, Tyrone now find themselves in a similar position to Man Utd. Following Harte is going to be a poisoned chalice, hard to know who would actually want it. Yes you may win Ulster but unless they put it up to the Big 3 then it's no improvement and that's what the County Board need to work out. It's most likely the manager after the manager who follows Harte who may bring the good days back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on September 02, 2017, 03:48:23 PM
He was part of the Tyrone u21 backroom team, not the manager. He was lucky to win a Cavan title,  and fckd up in Ulster club with his tactics.  Didn't win a championship game with Fermanagh. And considering the money he was on... that's poor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 02, 2017, 04:29:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 02, 2017, 03:48:23 PM
He was part of the Tyrone u21 backroom team, not the manager. He was lucky to win a Cavan title,  and fckd up in Ulster club with his tactics.  Didn't win a championship game with Fermanagh. And considering the money he was on... that's poor.

You're twisting this to suit your agenda. He had a huge input to that U21 win, did win a championship game with Fermanagh (i'll let you do the research) and won championship with Cavan club... is not inscribed on cup 'they were lucky'  - is your agenda
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on September 02, 2017, 05:45:46 PM
One qualifier win. No win in ulster.  Also did bizzare tactics with Fermanagh in ulster championahip too.Fermanaghs discipline under Canavan was desperate too.

It's not to suit my agenda . Tyrone aren't my concern,  just what I heard and saw of him as a manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 02, 2017, 09:33:43 PM
Ok Rodney - what about Tally? Took St Mary's to a Sigerson Cup which Harte couldn't do, coached Tyrone to their first All Ireland in 2003 and coached a very average Down team to within a point of an All Ireland title?  ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on September 03, 2017, 06:12:07 AM
If you think we'd play better football under Tally you'd be very wrong. Incredibly negative tactically!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 03, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
im sure whoever the new manager is will be told that our gameplan needs to evolve to more attacking. the top teams have evolved but we and ulster in general have been left behind. and im not sure mickey can evolve at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 03, 2017, 10:37:58 AM
IMO Harte got lucky with the group of players that all came through at the same time. His record at minor level wasn't great till they came along. He took the Same players to u21 success and then on to seniors. He hasn't had nearly the same success since which suggest to me it was players who were the main catalyst for the all Ireland wins and not the manager. I honestly think a dog in the street could have led that group to them all Ireland wins.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 03, 2017, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 03, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
im sure whoever the new manager is will be told that our gameplan needs to evolve to more attacking. the top teams have evolved but we and ulster in general have been left behind. and im not sure mickey can evolve at this stage.

Is it not up to the manager to employ whatever tactics he wants? What would a bunch of men on the county board know about tactics?

Also don't agree that Ulster gas been "left behind"
3 out of the last 8.
5 out of the last 12.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 03, 2017, 11:15:25 AM
yeah but i dont think there are any ulster teams within an asses roar of an all ireland. not even close to gettin to a final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 04, 2017, 11:38:12 AM
This past week I've been in limbo regarding the future of the Tyrone manager.  Weighed up the arguments but now I'm firmly in the Micky out camp.

I've heard (open to correction) that he is meeting with the county panel to begin plans for next year on Monday before the vote has taken place on Tuesday on an extra term.  The arrogance of this is unbelievable if true.  I'll be forever grateful for the success brought in the noughties.

Id expect that club delegates have been given their instructions by clubs ahead of Tuesday nights vote or discussion.  I hope the delegates aren't just acting on their own opinions and the decision is made without wider consultation.  I'd also be interested in the opinion of the current county players regarding their faith in the management system.

Saying all this, I can't give you a name of the person who I'd like to take Tyrone forward, I just feel Micky has delivered all he can for the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
is the actual vote on hartes future on tuesday night? have clubs been consulted about this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on September 04, 2017, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
is the actual vote on hartes future on tuesday night? have clubs been consulted about this?

1 year extension is already agreed so no need to consult clubs.  Will be ratified tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on September 04, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 04, 2017, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
is the actual vote on hartes future on tuesday night? have clubs been consulted about this?

1 year extension is already agreed so no need to consult clubs.  Will be ratified tomorrow night.

hope you are joking!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on September 04, 2017, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 04, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 04, 2017, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
is the actual vote on hartes future on tuesday night? have clubs been consulted about this?

1 year extension is already agreed so no need to consult clubs.  Will be ratified tomorrow night.

hope you are joking!

I'm not and it was decided 3 weeks ago.  So you think back to back Ulsters and an AI semifinal appearance doesn't warrant another crack?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 01:25:54 PM
i think over the bar is on the windup lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 04, 2017, 01:47:57 PM
I still think Mickey is the man to lead the county for another year, as long as there is a slight change to a more attack focused system. The reality is there are no standout alternatives out there at the minute and most would implement a much similar system. .

One player, not in the squad at the minute, who may make a difference is McNulty from Clonoe. Have these bridges been burned, however? He may not be the most prolific scorer out there but he has the build we are missing in our forward unit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 04, 2017, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 04, 2017, 01:47:57 PM
I still think Mickey is the man to lead the county for another year, as long as there is a slight change to a more attack focused system. The reality is there are no standout alternatives out there at the minute and most would implement a much similar system. .

One player, not in the squad at the minute, who may make a difference is McNulty from Clonoe. Have these bridges been burned, however? He may not be the most prolific scorer out there but he has the build we are missing in our forward unit.

Administrators can't ask a manager to stay on and dictate what style of football he plays. That would never happen. I think he has done enough to warrant another year. Its a tough situation I think a new voice could be needed but he will never walk and if he was ousted a) we would be torn to pieces nationwide and b) no one with a connection to him would take the job! also you would really want to be in a position where someone is putting their hand up for the post. Paddy Tally probably has but the style of football would be the same which seems to be the crux of why people want him out.

McNulty has no interest in commiting to that level for a year, nothing to do with a fall out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 04, 2017, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on September 04, 2017, 11:38:12 AM
This past week I've been in limbo regarding the future of the Tyrone manager.  Weighed up the arguments but now I'm firmly in the Micky out camp.

I've heard (open to correction) that he is meeting with the county panel to begin plans for next year on Monday before the vote has taken place on Tuesday on an extra term.  The arrogance of this is unbelievable if true.  I'll be forever grateful for the success brought in the noughties.

Id expect that club delegates have been given their instructions by clubs ahead of Tuesday nights vote or discussion.  I hope the delegates aren't just acting on their own opinions and the decision is made without wider consultation.  I'd also be interested in the opinion of the current county players regarding their faith in the management system.

Saying all this, I can't give you a name of the person who I'd like to take Tyrone forward, I just feel Micky has delivered all he can for the county.

I'm not sure if you are correct or not on the above but Harte meets the players at the end of every season. I think its a review of the year and closure on it. I'm not saying next year isn't mentioned or wont be mentioned but as far as I know that's what the meeting is about. I'm sure he hasn't picked a panel for next year or anything yet so although there may be some mention of next year the main focus will be on the 2017 season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 02:17:14 PM
Omaghgael, we said the same thing last year,regarding tactics' and style of play. Nothing changed and we've lost another year. We obviosly need a change of direction and I don't see how giving Harte one more year can achieve that. We need to be thinkin about the next 3-5 years and plan accordingly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 04, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
is the actual vote on hartes future on tuesday night? have clubs been consulted about this?

Actually not sure, I was assuming something like this would need to be tied up at the earliest opportunity to allow either time to find a replacement or for Mickey to begin scouting the championships for 2018.

I would expect some sort of decision to be made Tuesday night.  So if you are a Harte IN or Harte OUT it maybe worthwhile contacting your club delegate  :D  Regarding a decision already being made that can't be the case, a recommendation can be made but there isn't a decision until its voted on by delegates.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 04, 2017, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 02:17:14 PM
Omaghgael, we said the same thing last year,regarding tactics' and style of play. Nothing changed and we've lost another year. We obviosly need a change of direction and I don't see how giving Harte one more year can achieve that. We need to be thinkin about the next 3-5 years and plan accordingly.

I think Mickey was right in implementing the system we used this year and last. It's aim was to scupper the Dubs/Mayo/Kerry. Last year it was given a bye because it appeared the players/team had a total off day and we really should have beat Mayo if McCarron and McCurry had scored their points. This year has, without doubt, shown that the system is not the answer.

Mickey said he wouldn't change a whole pile in his post match interview. The question is was this Mickey being stubborn and refusing to (publically) admit it was wrong or has he realised we aren't going anywhere and, behind closed doors, is working on a different approach. Stephen Rochford is the total opposite to Harte in his interviews. He is refreshingly honest and humble and shares his thoughts on what worked/didn't work. How can ratification/club delegates make an informed decision without some sort of insight into our direction of travel next year. There should be some onus on Harte to share his thoughts/ideas of his approach next year. Again I'm not talking intimate details, more like an overarching view.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 04, 2017, 04:01:48 PM
Two years would be ideal,be careful for wishing new regime.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on September 04, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 01:25:54 PM
i think over the bar is on the windup lads.

Fancy a wager then STG? ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 04, 2017, 09:41:44 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 04, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 01:25:54 PM
i think over the bar is on the windup lads.

Fancy a wager then STG? ;)

I'd imagine the most likely outcome is a 1 year extension because people are afraid of what change might bring. It will take balls for the club delegates to vote for change.

Although Harte himself won't be happy with the 1 year he will want 2 minimum.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 04, 2017, 09:47:14 PM
Two done and dusted STG.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
will the club delegates be able to vote in secret? if so then they can just vote how they have been instructed without fear. no way harte will survive a vote.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on September 05, 2017, 12:08:38 AM
Could one man name a manager who could do more than Harte? Truth is we are short up front we just don't have the forwards we had during glory years. Badly need a 14. I get it people don't like Harte for a variety of reasons (most not football related) but he's unquestionably the best we had and have. Sick of men spouting shite after a defeat and secretly delighted to stir the pot. Unless you are contributing something to Tyrone/your club in some shape or form away and follow the Irish league they are mad looking clowns.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 05, 2017, 02:24:03 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2017, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 02, 2017, 08:02:08 AM
How do you get rid of a man that has just won back to back Ulster titles and kept us playing Div 1 football. A lot of people in Tyrone are spoilt brats on the back of success that was delivered by Harte himself. 
They should be careful for what they wish for - just look around
Derry - no Ulster senior title in 20 years. Armagh no Ulster title this decade - both playing in Div 3. Down pretty much the same. Don't think the same thing can't happen to Tyrone - who could have predicted for example Derry not to win an Ulster title for 20 years in the late 1990s

Now if Mickey had us playing in Div 3 with no prospects in Ulster then I would be calling for him to go.
If a manager in any other Ulster county had just won back to back Ulster titles and delivered Div 1 status he would be hailed as some sort of Messiah.
The problem that we have is that Tyrone have a good team but Dublin are the best team ever to play the game in my opinion. No change of management can do much about that.

A decent club team would have beat those Ulster teams. Not that long ago Tyrone were in the business of challenging for All Ireland titles and Phillip Jordan has said winning Ulster only meant a stepping stone to that. Last Sunday showed tactically Harte is now way behind Gavin and other managers... apparently it was the lowest tackle count against this Dublin team in recent years. If that is satisfactary we've back to the 1970s when winning Ulster was the height of our ambition. At least Mayo and Kerry would have a go...

5 of those Ulster sides made it through to the last 12.

You need some perspective here.

Harte deserves criticism for the performance against Dublin, it was an abject failure and we got our tactics badly wrong, in saying that the players also deserve a huge amount of criticism too as many of them simply weren't up for it.

Dublin seem to be so far ahead of 30 other counties in the country right now, time will tell how far the gap is with Mayo in a fortnight. When a county like Dublin with all its resources - playing numbers, financial support and local employment - get its structures right then inevitably they will pull ahead and that's what we've seen right now. Dublin have hammered everyone en route to the final, it's not conceivable they would not do the same to Mayo and if they do will there then be the same perspective applied.

We were in a bit of a crisis in 2014 and if Harte walked away or was jettisoned out then, I would not have complained much. Since then he has implemented a new style of play that has seen 2 Ulster title and AI semi finals in 3 years. It's not too bad a return from when we were in 2015. This system was badly exposed the last day out and certainly needs to be tweaked at the minimum. The point I'd make is that why change for change sake? Maybe this is as far as Harte can take us but I don't see anyone else taking us further, the best players in the county are committed, more or less, if we play a certain way then it is to compensate for weaknesses such as lack ball winning forwards in the mode of a Geaney, Andrews, McManus or tight marking corner backs. I think if we played a different way then those limitations become more apparent.

It's competitive football, I couldn't give two hoots what style of football we play as long as it gives us our best chance of being successful and getting the most out of our players. I think the mass defence system employed since 2015 has done that to a point. Since 2013 when Jim Gavin took over Dublin have lost only one Championship game and have filleted teams left, right and centre.

I just don't see what some people expect Harte to achieve and it's sickening to hear the nasty and petty personal gripes with a Tyrone GAA legend polluting this thread endlessly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 05, 2017, 02:30:44 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 03, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
im sure whoever the new manager is will be told that our gameplan needs to evolve to more attacking. the top teams have evolved but we and ulster in general have been left behind. and im not sure mickey can evolve at this stage.

By top teams who do you mean?

Dublin?

Because everyone with the exception of Mayo are so far behind them that it's not funny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on September 05, 2017, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 05, 2017, 02:30:44 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 03, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
im sure whoever the new manager is will be told that our gameplan needs to evolve to more attacking. the top teams have evolved but we and ulster in general have been left behind. and im not sure mickey can evolve at this stage.

By top teams who do you mean?

Dublin?

Because everyone with the exception of Mayo are so far behind them that it's not funny.
Let me get this right.
Before the tyrone dublin semi final you argued that 5 tyrone players would be guaranteed to make a combined tyrone dublin select with a possibility of 8 tyrone players making it. Now you say dublin are miles ahead.
If tyrone have as many top players as dublin do what would make dublin a much better team ?
Management ?
Tactics ?
Or is it simply depth of squad.
Players fault again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on September 05, 2017, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 05, 2017, 02:24:03 AM
Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2017, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 02, 2017, 08:02:08 AM
How do you get rid of a man that has just won back to back Ulster titles and kept us playing Div 1 football. A lot of people in Tyrone are spoilt brats on the back of success that was delivered by Harte himself. 
They should be careful for what they wish for - just look around
Derry - no Ulster senior title in 20 years. Armagh no Ulster title this decade - both playing in Div 3. Down pretty much the same. Don't think the same thing can't happen to Tyrone - who could have predicted for example Derry not to win an Ulster title for 20 years in the late 1990s

Now if Mickey had us playing in Div 3 with no prospects in Ulster then I would be calling for him to go.
If a manager in any other Ulster county had just won back to back Ulster titles and delivered Div 1 status he would be hailed as some sort of Messiah.
The problem that we have is that Tyrone have a good team but Dublin are the best team ever to play the game in my opinion. No change of management can do much about that.

A decent club team would have beat those Ulster teams. Not that long ago Tyrone were in the business of challenging for All Ireland titles and Phillip Jordan has said winning Ulster only meant a stepping stone to that. Last Sunday showed tactically Harte is now way behind Gavin and other managers... apparently it was the lowest tackle count against this Dublin team in recent years. If that is satisfactary we've back to the 1970s when winning Ulster was the height of our ambition. At least Mayo and Kerry would have a go...

5 of those Ulster sides made it through to the last 12.

You need some perspective here.

Harte deserves criticism for the performance against Dublin, it was an abject failure and we got our tactics badly wrong, in saying that the players also deserve a huge amount of criticism too as many of them simply weren't up for it.

Dublin seem to be so far ahead of 30 other counties in the country right now, time will tell how far the gap is with Mayo in a fortnight. When a county like Dublin with all its resources - playing numbers, financial support and local employment - get its structures right then inevitably they will pull ahead and that's what we've seen right now. Dublin have hammered everyone en route to the final, it's not conceivable they would not do the same to Mayo and if they do will there then be the same perspective applied.

We were in a bit of a crisis in 2014 and if Harte walked away or was jettisoned out then, I would not have complained much. Since then he has implemented a new style of play that has seen 2 Ulster title and AI semi finals in 3 years. It's not too bad a return from when we were in 2015. This system was badly exposed the last day out and certainly needs to be tweaked at the minimum. The point I'd make is that why change for change sake? Maybe this is as far as Harte can take us but I don't see anyone else taking us further, the best players in the county are committed, more or less, if we play a certain way then it is to compensate for weaknesses such as lack ball winning forwards in the mode of a Geaney, Andrews, McManus or tight marking corner backs. I think if we played a different way then those limitations become more apparent.

It's competitive football, I couldn't give two hoots what style of football we play as long as it gives us our best chance of being successful and getting the most out of our players. I think the mass defence system employed since 2015 has done that to a point. Since 2013 when Jim Gavin took over Dublin have lost only one Championship game and have filleted teams left, right and centre.

I just don't see what some people expect Harte to achieve and it's sickening to hear the nasty and petty personal gripes with a Tyrone GAA legend polluting this thread endlessly.

Bomber, are you suggesting that SouthTyroneGael is a Tyrone GAA legend...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on September 05, 2017, 10:24:32 AM
Players and management meeting last night in kellys. Must have confirmation of new deal or why would you call this meeting?.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 05, 2017, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on September 05, 2017, 10:24:32 AM
Players and management meeting last night in kellys. Must have confirmation of new deal or why would you call this meeting?.

End of season wrap up? Us this not a pretty common thing amongst high level sports teams?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 05, 2017, 10:32:12 AM
Nothing can be sown up with out confirmed approval from the county committee.  Most of them are YES men so if a proposal is made the nodding dogs wont challenge it.  But until that vote is taken Mickey cant count his chickens, there previously was enough opposition not to award him a 3 year term he got 2 years (now expired).  It will be interesting to see the outcome tonight.

Id guess the media will be watching for some kind of white smoke coming from Garvaghy  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on September 05, 2017, 10:49:43 AM
Management committee have proposed a 2 year term for Mickey, up to the committee now to vote on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 05, 2017, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 05, 2017, 10:49:43 AM
Management committee have proposed a 2 year term for Mickey, up to the committee now to vote on it.

If that's the case the 1st thing that should be discussed is the management committee and their inability to keep things confidential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 11:50:16 AM
Why are the clubs not having their vote? Why should everything be confidential? Bit of transparency would be good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 05, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
Are you a member of your club committee STG? Did your co committee delegate not provide feedback from the last two county committee meetings regarding Mickey's future and indeed Peter Donnelly's?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 11:50:16 AM
Why are the clubs not having their vote? Why should everything be confidential? Bit of transparency would be good.

He is a Fermanagh man who I doubt has any club affiliation from the sounds of him. Too busy on here crying to do anything
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 12:56:59 PM
That's the prob with comittees, full of brown nosers and yes men like redhandefender. Only in it for themselves and what they can get out of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 12:56:59 PM
That's the prob with comittees, full of brown nosers and yes men like redhandefender. Only in it for themselves and what they can get out of it.

I am on no committee, few years off that yet, couldn't hack listening to yapping about everything and everything from people who have never actually played like yourself
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: DEL on September 05, 2017, 12:08:38 AM
Could one man name a manager who could do more than Harte? Truth is we are short up front we just don't have the forwards we had during glory years. Badly need a 14. I get it people don't like Harte for a variety of reasons (most not football related) but he's unquestionably the best we had and have. Sick of men spouting shite after a defeat and secretly delighted to stir the pot. Unless you are contributing something to Tyrone/your club in some shape or form away and follow the Irish league they are mad looking clowns.

Nope because there isnt... I heard someone mention Banty. True story!
Its likely that if Harte isnt offered the contract he would have an offer from another county in the morning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 05, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: DEL on September 05, 2017, 12:08:38 AM
Could one man name a manager who could do more than Harte? Truth is we are short up front we just don't have the forwards we had during glory years. Badly need a 14. I get it people don't like Harte for a variety of reasons (most not football related) but he's unquestionably the best we had and have. Sick of men spouting shite after a defeat and secretly delighted to stir the pot. Unless you are contributing something to Tyrone/your club in some shape or form away and follow the Irish league they are mad looking clowns.

Nope because there isnt... I heard someone mention Banty. True story!
Its likely that if Harte isnt offered the contract he would have an offer from another county in the morning.

I've decided that I'm not a Harte supporter but I wouldn't want the job going outside the county.  Tyrone should be managed by a Tyrone man.  There are plenty of Tyrone men that could be considered when the day does come that Harte is no longer at the Helm weather that next week or 3 years.

Raymond Munroe - All Ireland Minor Winner
Fergal Logan & Team - All Ireland U21 Winner
Collie Holmes - All Ireland U17 Winner

There are 3 men that have tasted All Ireland success during Mickey's reign, maybe laughed at in some circles as not an option but a Tyrone manager should be from Tyrone.  Banty can do one!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 05, 2017, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on September 05, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: DEL on September 05, 2017, 12:08:38 AM
Could one man name a manager who could do more than Harte? Truth is we are short up front we just don't have the forwards we had during glory years. Badly need a 14. I get it people don't like Harte for a variety of reasons (most not football related) but he's unquestionably the best we had and have. Sick of men spouting shite after a defeat and secretly delighted to stir the pot. Unless you are contributing something to Tyrone/your club in some shape or form away and follow the Irish league they are mad looking clowns.

Nope because there isnt... I heard someone mention Banty. True story!
Its likely that if Harte isnt offered the contract he would have an offer from another county in the morning.

I've decided that I'm not a Harte supporter but I wouldn't want the job going outside the county.  Tyrone should be managed by a Tyrone man.  There are plenty of Tyrone men that could be considered when the day does come that Harte is no longer at the Helm weather that next week or 3 years.

Raymond Munroe - All Ireland Minor Winner
Fergal Logan & Team - All Ireland U21 Winner
Collie Holmes - All Ireland U17 Winner

There are 3 men that have tasted All Ireland success during Mickey's reign, maybe laughed at in some circles as not an option but a Tyrone manager should be from Tyrone.  Banty can do one!!!!
Munroe stepped away from Management has he not? His record with the U21s for the 3 years he was there also doesnt inspire much confidence considering the quality players he had at his disposal.
Say Holmes rightly down the list and will be staying with U17s going forward.
Logan and the team probably best in line as replacement. Tally would be a welcome addition to that team as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on September 05, 2017, 02:39:04 PM

Munroe stepped away from Management has he not? His record with the U21s for the 3 years he was there also doesnt inspire much confidence considering the quality players he had at his disposal.
Say Holmes rightly down the list and will be staying with U17s going forward.
Logan and the team probably best in line as replacement. Tally would be a welcome addition to that team as well.
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Got to agree with that, if Harte is to go the only option within the county I feel would be Logan as manager with Canavan, Dooher, Peter Donnelly & Tally as a support team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc

Nonsense Malachy O'Rourke will never manage Tyrone not a mission! It will be a tyrone man.

Porter will be lucky to get near a club team in tyrone again after his antics against tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
52 club delegate and 16 tyrone management comitee members will vote tonight. is it like eurovision and the rest of us just txt in our votes? can we vote more than once?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on September 05, 2017, 09:27:50 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: DEL on September 05, 2017, 12:08:38 AM
Could one man name a manager who could do more than Harte? Truth is we are short up front we just don't have the forwards we had during glory years. Badly need a 14. I get it people don't like Harte for a variety of reasons (most not football related) but he's unquestionably the best we had and have. Sick of men spouting shite after a defeat and secretly delighted to stir the pot. Unless you are contributing something to Tyrone/your club in some shape or form away and follow the Irish league they are mad looking clowns.

Nope because there isnt... I heard someone mention Banty. True story!
Its likely that if Harte isnt offered the contract he would have an offer from another county in the morning.

Joe McAree is the only option after Harte.  A Tyrone man to boot! 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 09:46:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
52 club delegate and 16 tyrone management comitee members will vote tonight. is it like eurovision and the rest of us just txt in our votes? can we vote more than once?

And the 12 points from Ardboe go to... Moortown.

"Ah sure it's political voting, as bad as the real thing."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 09:49:06 PM
Has anyone heard anything? What time is the actual vote?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 05, 2017, 09:56:28 PM
White smoke from garvaghy - 3 year extension.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 09:58:39 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 05, 2017, 09:56:28 PM
White smoke from garvaghy - 3 year extension.

Does a continuation mean white smoke? Isn't white smoke a new leader?  :P

Anyway is this right enough?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
Teamtalk saying 3 year extension. The Harte era lives on. Takes him just to... 18 years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Omg 3 fuckin years. How depressing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on September 05, 2017, 10:13:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
Teamtalk saying 3 year extension. The Harte era lives on. Takes him just to... 18 years?

Brilliant!  Gives Mickey the chance to do 3 AIs in a row and to make Tyrone the most successful Ulster county ever!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: paddyjohn on September 05, 2017, 10:16:06 PM
Long Live Mickey! He's an inspiration to everybody.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on September 05, 2017, 10:18:06 PM
3 fuckin years!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
What a farce!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on September 05, 2017, 10:23:10 PM
Great news - I think he will prob go at the end of those three years
But great to have him for that time - plenty more silverware to come in that time no doubt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: T Fearon on September 05, 2017, 10:23:56 PM
Mickey Harte is here for Dublin's six in a row
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 05, 2017, 10:26:08 PM
3 more years of watching that shite gutless spineless arseholes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 05, 2017, 10:26:08 PM
3 more years of watching that shite gutless spineless arseholes.

Thank you for your informed constructive criticism.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on September 05, 2017, 10:28:47 PM
does this three years include the circus he has on the line with him at all games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on September 05, 2017, 10:34:13 PM
Ulster champions toon

Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 05, 2017, 10:26:08 PM
3 more years of watching that shite gutless spineless arseholes.

Thank you for your informed constructive criticism.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 05, 2017, 10:38:08 PM
Deluded Individual
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 05, 2017, 10:41:14 PM
Disappointing but probably inevitable - MH has that much control that anyone with credible claim to the job would be too afeared to take it from him.

After what I watched in Croker a couple of weeks ago I think i'll save my cash and watch it on the box.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 05, 2017, 10:43:21 PM
Well that's the end of Johnny munroes inter county career
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 10:46:48 PM
could be the end of mark bradley, ronan o neill and mc currys too. poor lee brennan too. season ticket cancelled.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on September 05, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 05, 2017, 10:41:14 PM
After what I watched in Croker a couple of weeks ago I think i'll save my cash and watch it on the box.

+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 05, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 05, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 05, 2017, 10:26:08 PM
3 more years of watching that shite gutless spineless arseholes.


Thank you for your informed constructive criticism.

Not trying to be either informed or constructive just saddened and disgusted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 05, 2017, 10:50:55 PM
Finish with a 9th McKenna cup in a row. Wonder he didn't get 4 years to allow him to go for the 10th.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 05, 2017, 10:53:00 PM
Harte should have left with the AI's still fresh in the memory's, he should of left a hero but I know fear he had overstayed too long and has turned himself into a villain. Just like Wenger at Arsenal, they are a complete shambles, just hope Tyrone don't go the same route
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: From the Bunker on September 05, 2017, 11:05:32 PM
Kerry will be happy with that, seeing that the Champions of Ulster will be in their way to the 2018 AI final!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 05, 2017, 11:08:53 PM
If his last term was only 2 years and this time he gets 3 years does that mean the people voting are of the opinion that his last 2 years have been a success?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 05, 2017, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Omg 3 fuckin years. How depressing.

Depressing for you Fermanagh ones!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 05, 2017, 11:21:19 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 05, 2017, 11:08:53 PM
If his last term was only 2 years and this time he gets 3 years does that mean the people voting are of the opinion that his last 2 years have been a success?

Seems that being humiliated in Croke Park is now the measure of success which gets rewarded in Tyrone these days.

But sure no one else is capable of such success other than Mickey so I suppose it's natural enough that he should be given another 3 years. I would love to know how much consulting was done at grass roots club level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2017, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Omg 3 fuckin years. How depressing.

Depressing for you Fermanagh ones!!!
haha its great craic isnt it. i hope everyone up in garvaghey is feeling happy tonight. they will regret this one big time. and id advise harte and devlin not to be attending to many club championship games as they might not be made too welcome. this hasnt went down well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 05, 2017, 11:58:51 PM
I want to state first off that I'm not firmly in the Harte out camp, however, a three year term is a bit mad. There's no hiding from the fact that his system was designed to beat the Dubs and ended up costing us a defeat that was the same margin as Carlow. If we continue to see this one man forward line then I can foresee a serious amount of discontent amongst an already shaky fan base. He's in real danger of tainting his heroic legacy which would be a shame for us as a county and him as a man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 06, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 05, 2017, 10:41:14 PM
Disappointing but probably inevitable - MH has that much control that anyone with credible claim to the job would be too afeared to take it from him.

After what I watched in Croker a couple of weeks ago I think i'll save my cash and watch it on the box.

You'll no doubt be on the hunt for tickets next August.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 06, 2017, 12:05:26 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2017, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Omg 3 fuckin years. How depressing.

Depressing for you Fermanagh ones!!!
haha its great craic isnt it. i hope everyone up in garvaghey is feeling happy tonight. they will regret this one big time. and id advise harte and devlin not to be attending to many club championship games as they might not be made too welcome. this hasnt went down well.

Going by social media it's about 60-70% favourable. And let's be honest, most don't be bothered either way. If you think they don't be welcome at club games you need to cop on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 06, 2017, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 05, 2017, 10:41:14 PM
Disappointing but probably inevitable - MH has that much control that anyone with credible claim to the job would be too afeared to take it from him.

After what I watched in Croker a couple of weeks ago I think i'll save my cash and watch it on the box.

You'll no doubt be on the hunt for tickets next August.

You might be right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on September 06, 2017, 08:10:33 AM
What is the average age of people who use this board? 15/16?

Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2017, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Omg 3 fuckin years. How depressing.

Depressing for you Fermanagh ones!!!
haha its great craic isnt it. i hope everyone up in garvaghey is feeling happy tonight. they will regret this one big time. and id advise harte and devlin not to be attending to many club championship games as they might not be made too welcome. this hasnt went down well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 06, 2017, 08:58:59 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2017, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Omg 3 fuckin years. How depressing.

Depressing for you Fermanagh ones!!!
haha its great craic isnt it. i hope everyone up in garvaghey is feeling happy tonight. they will regret this one big time. and id advise harte and devlin not to be attending to many club championship games as they might not be made too welcome. this hasnt went down well.

Another dead give away clue that you haven't a clue about football, whats gonna happen harte at a club championship game you muppet!

Gone just clear off now for the next few years as we know exactly the rubbish gonna be coming from you unless you go through puberty and get away from the tissues and computer desk
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on September 06, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc

Nonsense Malachy O'Rourke will never manage Tyrone not a mission! It will be a tyrone man.

Porter will be lucky to get near a club team in tyrone again after his antics against tyrone

Well maybe your right but I disagree, your thinking what you think and not what our County board will decide and I dont hink it will be your personal call, I think we could go outside the County again for a manager!
As I said when we do change and I dont see why it might not be considered to be O'Rourke as there arent to many candidates, also as off Porter, McCarron wont be there anyway as we're chatting minimum 3 years now aswel (Maybe 2 if Harte walks himself)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on September 06, 2017, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 06, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc

Nonsense Malachy O'Rourke will never manage Tyrone not a mission! It will be a tyrone man.

Porter will be lucky to get near a club team in tyrone again after his antics against tyrone

Well maybe your right but I disagree, your thinking what you think and not what our County board will decide and I dont hink it will be your personal call, I think we could go outside the County again for a manager!
As I said when we do change and I dont see why it might not be considered to be O'Rourke as there arent to many candidates, also as off Porter, McCarron wont be there anyway as we're chatting minimum 3 years now aswel (Maybe 2 if Harte walks himself)

again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 06, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
Quote from: GJL on September 06, 2017, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 06, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc

Nonsense Malachy O'Rourke will never manage Tyrone not a mission! It will be a tyrone man.

Porter will be lucky to get near a club team in tyrone again after his antics against tyrone

Well maybe your right but I disagree, your thinking what you think and not what our County board will decide and I dont hink it will be your personal call, I think we could go outside the County again for a manager!
As I said when we do change and I dont see why it might not be considered to be O'Rourke as there arent to many candidates, also as off Porter, McCarron wont be there anyway as we're chatting minimum 3 years now aswel (Maybe 2 if Harte walks himself)

again?

What did Porter do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 06, 2017, 10:02:05 AM
I was in the Harte out camp and I'm disappointed that he has been awarded a 3 year term particularly when he only wanted 2!!!  The county delegates must not of watched the same game as I did or acknowledge that we tried to defend a 7 point deficit for bout 50mins of the game.  I honestly cant remember the last time we beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin in a championship game? 4/5 years anyhow.

That being said the decision has been made and I'm not going to hound Mickey for 3 years, he has my support to do the best he can do with this talented group and I still pray for success in the hope that I got it wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 06, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 05, 2017, 10:43:21 PM
Well that's the end of Johnny munroes inter county career

I think Johnny ended this himself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on September 06, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 06, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
Quote from: GJL on September 06, 2017, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 06, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc

Nonsense Malachy O'Rourke will never manage Tyrone not a mission! It will be a tyrone man.

Porter will be lucky to get near a club team in tyrone again after his antics against tyrone

Well maybe your right but I disagree, your thinking what you think and not what our County board will decide and I dont hink it will be your personal call, I think we could go outside the County again for a manager!
As I said when we do change and I dont see why it might not be considered to be O'Rourke as there arent to many candidates, also as off Porter, McCarron wont be there anyway as we're chatting minimum 3 years now aswel (Maybe 2 if Harte walks himself)

again?

What did Porter do?

Redhanddefender talks some shit.  Don't pass any remarks on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on September 06, 2017, 10:30:44 AM
so we are going to be watching Mickey standing on the sideline for another 3 years with his arms folded..... unbelievable.....oh sorry..thats the picture of cool, calm, collected!!!
So how do clubs decide on how they vote? Do they hold committee meeting and vote within the club before it goes o county board meeting??? Very curious!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on September 06, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
I heard that club delegates do not consult their clubs and vote on a whim which I think is ridiculous. Club delegates by definition "a person sent or authorized to represent others, in particular an elected representative sent to a conference" would suggest that the delegates have the authority to make their own decision.

Surely the delegate should be voting as instructed by their club committee?

*I was in favour of the appointment based on the lack of an alternative. This will be his last term however as I cannot foresee the big one being landed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 06, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on September 06, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 06, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
Quote from: GJL on September 06, 2017, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 06, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc

Nonsense Malachy O'Rourke will never manage Tyrone not a mission! It will be a tyrone man.

Porter will be lucky to get near a club team in tyrone again after his antics against tyrone

Well maybe your right but I disagree, your thinking what you think and not what our County board will decide and I dont hink it will be your personal call, I think we could go outside the County again for a manager!
As I said when we do change and I dont see why it might not be considered to be O'Rourke as there arent to many candidates, also as off Porter, McCarron wont be there anyway as we're chatting minimum 3 years now aswel (Maybe 2 if Harte walks himself)

again?

What did Porter do?

Redhanddefender talks some shit.  Don't pass any remarks on him.


:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on September 06, 2017, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on September 06, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
I heard that club delegates do not consult their clubs and vote on a whim which I think is ridiculous. Club delegates by definition "a person sent or authorized to represent others, in particular an elected representative sent to a conference" would suggest that the delegates have the authority to make their own decision.

Surely the delegate should be voting as instructed by their club committee?

*I was in favour of the appointment based on the lack of an alternative. This will be his last term however as I cannot foresee the big one being landed.

There is no way of knowing if delegates consult their club committee's or not. I know that our's did and took our club decision to vote last night, I know of other other clubs that did similar but who knows what others do? It's like any position, if people aren't happy with their delegate surely they can stand against them at their club's next AGM.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on September 06, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
I would have liked if someone like Logan could be his No 2 for the 3 years and so then when he eventually takes it over he has that excellent experience and wont be going in cold with none of Mickey's wisdom behind him.

It will be interesting to see if we persist with the style of football which totally blew away ALL Ulster teams this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on September 06, 2017, 12:57:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 06, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
I would have liked if someone like Logan could be his No 2 for the 3 years and so then when he eventually takes it over he has that excellent experience and wont be going in cold with none of Mickey's wisdom behind him.

It will be interesting to see if we persist with the style of football which totally blew away ALL Ulster teams this year.

Mark Harte / Gavin Devlin, well placed going forward, handy transition
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 06, 2017, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: tiempo on September 06, 2017, 12:57:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 06, 2017, 12:49:44 PM
I would have liked if someone like Logan could be his No 2 for the 3 years and so then when he eventually takes it over he has that excellent experience and wont be going in cold with none of Mickey's wisdom behind him.

It will be interesting to see if we persist with the style of football which totally blew away ALL Ulster teams this year.

Mark Harte / Gavin Devlin, well placed going forward, handy transition

Mark Harte employs great tactics. Just ask the Slaughtneil lads!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on September 06, 2017, 01:07:41 PM
Mickey and Gavin took 3 years to devise a plan that Stephen Poacher did better with after a month with CARLOW!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on September 06, 2017, 02:09:05 PM
Congrats Mickey H.here's hoping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 06, 2017, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 06, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
Quote from: GJL on September 06, 2017, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 06, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc

Nonsense Malachy O'Rourke will never manage Tyrone not a mission! It will be a tyrone man.

Porter will be lucky to get near a club team in tyrone again after his antics against tyrone

Well maybe your right but I disagree, your thinking what you think and not what our County board will decide and I dont hink it will be your personal call, I think we could go outside the County again for a manager!
As I said when we do change and I dont see why it might not be considered to be O'Rourke as there arent to many candidates, also as off Porter, McCarron wont be there anyway as we're chatting minimum 3 years now aswel (Maybe 2 if Harte walks himself)

again?

What did Porter do?

Is this when porter called mccarron Fergus in croke park?  Or so he said in his book..... found it highly ironic myself that mccarrons book was all about making mistakes and asking for forgiveness but when porter tried to apologise he was having none of it....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 06, 2017, 06:36:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2017, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 05, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Omg 3 fuckin years. How depressing.

Depressing for you Fermanagh ones!!!
haha its great craic isnt it. i hope everyone up in garvaghey is feeling happy tonight. they will regret this one big time. and id advise harte and devlin not to be attending to many club championship games as they might not be made too welcome. this hasnt went down well.

Looks like you didn't attend too many grammar lessons!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 06, 2017, 08:59:34 PM
The big problem with Tyrone football is the unlucky white shorts. Time to go back to the red and win some all irelands. Why did they change anyway?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: From the Bunker on September 06, 2017, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2017, 08:59:34 PM
The big problem with Tyrone football is the unlucky white shorts. Time to go back to the red and win some all irelands. Why did they change anyway?

Copy of the Shankley psychology of teams looking Taller and more intimidating all in one colour.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 06, 2017, 09:36:11 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2017, 08:59:34 PM
The big problem with Tyrone football is the unlucky white shorts. Time to go back to the red and win some all irelands. Why did they change anyway?

I agree.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 06, 2017, 09:39:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2017, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2017, 08:59:34 PM
The big problem with Tyrone football is the unlucky white shorts. Time to go back to the red and win some all irelands. Why did they change anyway?

Copy of the Shankley psychology of teams looking Taller and more intimidating all in one colour.
Well it's a load of balls
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on September 06, 2017, 09:52:24 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2017, 09:39:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2017, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2017, 08:59:34 PM
The big problem with Tyrone football is the unlucky white shorts. Time to go back to the red and win some all irelands. Why did they change anyway?

Copy of the Shankley psychology of teams looking Taller and more intimidating all in one colour.
Well it's a load of balls

Yeah like the Bomber and Jack O'Shea didn't intimidate the fcuk out of anyone in that nancy grrean and gold outfit...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
happy retirement to justy mc mahon. another great tyrone servant leaves the stage. he didnt waste much time gettin to f**k outta there after he heard the bad news last night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 06, 2017, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 06, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
happy retirement to justy mc mahon. another great tyrone servant leaves the stage. he didnt waste much time gettin to f**k outta there after he heard the bad news last night.

Just out of interest, did you go along and make your strong feelings felt to your club, Southtyronegael? We've known this vote has been coming for a long time, no doubt you have stated your opinion at your clubs meetings?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
bennyharp, im just a member of my club. not on any comittee so have no clue about any meetings. i do know that our club delegate voted on hartes extension last year without consulting with our committee.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 06, 2017, 11:01:00 PM
Did Club's not get asked about this a few weeks back. It was post the Ulster Final and pre the Donegal game. I know we were certainly canvassed on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 07, 2017, 05:36:19 AM
think all parties be happy. experienced manager in charge of mediocre team wont cost tyrone too much in revenue whats not to like. any word of the money involved?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 07, 2017, 07:00:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2017, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 06, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
happy retirement to justy mc mahon. another great tyrone servant leaves the stage. he didnt waste much time gettin to f**k outta there after he heard the bad news last night.

Just out of interest, did you go along and make your strong feelings felt to your club, Southtyronegael? We've known this vote has been coming for a long time, no doubt you have stated your opinion at your clubs meetings?


Folks, southtyronegael is actually a Fermanagh man stirring on here. Just ignore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 07, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
In fairness to STG Justin didnt wait long to announce his retirement.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 08:48:57 AM
Folks, gaffer thinks just because he has pic of peter the great on his profile it makes him a big Tyrone supporter. Muppet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 07, 2017, 09:06:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on September 07, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
In fairness to STG Justin didnt wait long to announce his retirement.

What difference does that make? Neither did Cavanagh. Neither did Canavan in 05 when he announced his retirement the night of winning the all Ireland (I don't remember anyone suggesting he was unhappy with Harte then). I'm sure Justy had his mind made up that this was his last go at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 07, 2017, 09:09:19 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 08:48:57 AM
Folks, gaffer thinks just because he has pic of peter the great on his profile it makes him a big Tyrone supporter. Muppet.

Definitely a Fermanagh man logging in between jerking off!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 07, 2017, 09:09:19 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 08:48:57 AM
Folks, gaffer thinks just because he has pic of peter the great on his profile it makes him a big Tyrone supporter. Muppet.

Definitely a Fermanagh man logging in between jerking off!
is there anything wrong with being from fermanagh? Is there anything wrong with jerking off?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on September 07, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: skeog on September 07, 2017, 08:46:12 AM
In fairness to STG Justin didnt wait long to announce his retirement.

Justin had retired before Tuesday night's county meeting. Great servant to Tyrone and deserves all the plaudits he is getting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on September 07, 2017, 12:02:49 PM
Next year i would imagine will be Mickeys hardest in all the years he has managed teams, we all thought after Donegal game where Tyrone varied kick outs and game plan to suit Tyrone and it all worked against what was seen as Tyrones biggest threat in ulster got swept to the side quite easily, we seen where Donegal went after that.....everybody was eagerly awaiting the next big challengers at national level which was Dublin.... we failed badly...and will have to wait to next year too see if if was our tactics or players just not being good enough was the cause of the defeat... we all would have loved to get out and attack Dublin a bit more we didn't and set back and invited them towards us which left the manner of the defeat hard to stomach even more..... if Mickey does not change his game plan to something more attractive he could invite trouble towards himself which i hope he does not do that for his own sake.... but as we know he can be very stubborn....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 07, 2017, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 08:48:57 AM
Folks, gaffer thinks just because he has pic of peter the great on his profile it makes him a big Tyrone supporter. Muppet.

Peter was great, wasnt he? Yip even you acknowledge it and you a diehard Fermanagh man!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 07, 2017, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 07, 2017, 12:02:49 PM
Next year i would imagine will be Mickeys hardest in all the years he has managed teams, we all thought after Donegal game where Tyrone varied kick outs and game plan to suit Tyrone and it all worked against what was seen as Tyrones biggest threat in ulster got swept to the side quite easily, we seen where Donegal went after that.....everybody was eagerly awaiting the next big challengers at national level which was Dublin.... we failed badly...and will have to wait to next year too see if if was our tactics or players just not being good enough was the cause of the defeat... we all would have loved to get out and attack Dublin a bit more we didn't and set back and invited them towards us which left the manner of the defeat hard to stomach even more..... if Mickey does not change his game plan to something more attractive he could invite trouble towards himself which i hope he does not do that for his own sake.... but as we know he can be very stubborn....

Mickey might be stubborn but he is an astute football man and is well capable of changing his team style of play. He genuinely felt that the style he had developed would cause the Dubs problems and ultimately he was wrong. He's been right enough in the past to have confidence in his convictions and I'm sure he would be savy enough to know that changes need to be made. He hadn't met Dublin in the championship for a few years and the league games against them all served to suggest that he might be on the right track so he stuck with that gameplan for a few years, trying to perfect it for the day we met Dublin. Unfortunately it was a bad day at the office and I think he may have underestimated (like myself) just how good Dublin are. The three year contract gives him time to come up with a new style of play and also I believe time for a realistic successor to be found. It would have been foolish to get rid without a replacement in mind or in fact without any real credible candidates pushing themselves into contention. Would be really he any better off with McGleenan, Tally or O'Rourke? Three years seems like a natural end and hopefully he can produce  one more wining team before moving on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 07, 2017, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 07, 2017, 12:02:49 PM
Next year i would imagine will be Mickeys hardest in all the years he has managed teams, we all thought after Donegal game where Tyrone varied kick outs and game plan to suit Tyrone and it all worked against what was seen as Tyrones biggest threat in ulster got swept to the side quite easily, we seen where Donegal went after that.....everybody was eagerly awaiting the next big challengers at national level which was Dublin.... we failed badly...and will have to wait to next year too see if if was our tactics or players just not being good enough was the cause of the defeat... we all would have loved to get out and attack Dublin a bit more we didn't and set back and invited them towards us which left the manner of the defeat hard to stomach even more..... if Mickey does not change his game plan to something more attractive he could invite trouble towards himself which i hope he does not do that for his own sake.... but as we know he can be very stubborn....

Harte's gonna end up completely destroying his legacy. I don't think he'll last the 3 years and by the end people will be saying he got lucky to have such a brilliant group of players from 2003 to 08. He has been found out in the last few years since gormley, dooher, oneill et al have retired. From a Derry point of view I was delighted to see him get another 3 years. Cavanagh speaking to rte immediately after the dublin game shows he doesn't really have the loyalty of the players any more.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 10:16:55 PM
benny, you actually think that if harte survives the next 3 years he is gonna walk away after it? lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 07, 2017, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 10:16:55 PM
benny, you actually think that if harte survives the next 3 years he is gonna walk away after it? lol

Oh he'll survive the three years alright and he'll walk away with Sam under his arm. 😜 But whatever you think of Harte he has undoubtedly given great service to Tyrone and I believe a 3 year contract is fair to build on the last two years and by then I think if he's no closer to Sam then we should have a successor in place. There really is no genuine contenders for the role at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 10:48:47 PM
ive a funny feeling youl be sayin the same thing in 3 years time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 07, 2017, 10:53:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 10:48:47 PM
ive a funny feeling youl be sayin the same thing in 3 years time.

Well it's up to the county board to ensure that there is potential alternatives in place. Perhaps someone like Collie Holmes might have developed into a possible candidate. Or other members of the 03-08 era might possibly have more managerial experience to bring to the table.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 07, 2017, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 10:48:47 PM
ive a funny feeling youl be sayin the same thing in 3 years time.

What's it to you who is the manager of Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on September 08, 2017, 08:40:57 AM
Quote from: GJL on September 06, 2017, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 06, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 05, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
What I believe will happen is that Mickey Will stay on and will not be pushed out, Weather or not that is 1 or 2 years I dont know but I believe he will definately be back to defend his Ulster title!
As for future replacements within the next year or 2, there are 3 main men to choose from in my opinion:

O'Rourke
McGleenan
Logan

This is just what I think, Men like Canavan would be in the backroom team, Porter will O'Rourke Etc

Nonsense Malachy O'Rourke will never manage Tyrone not a mission! It will be a tyrone man.

Porter will be lucky to get near a club team in tyrone again after his antics against tyrone

Well maybe your right but I disagree, your thinking what you think and not what our County board will decide and I dont hink it will be your personal call, I think we could go outside the County again for a manager!
As I said when we do change and I dont see why it might not be considered to be O'Rourke as there arent to many candidates, also as off Porter, McCarron wont be there anyway as we're chatting minimum 3 years now aswel (Maybe 2 if Harte walks himself)

again?

John Donnelly managed Tyrone late 80's/early 90's,
He's a Fermanagh man..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on September 08, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 07, 2017, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 07, 2017, 10:48:47 PM
ive a funny feeling youl be sayin the same thing in 3 years time.

What's it to you who is the manager of Tyrone?

Maybe he's Rory Gallagher and wanted the job?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2017, 01:56:16 AM
Some amount of nonsense talked here about Harte being "found out".

If winning 5 of the 8 cups on offer in the last 2 seasons, back to back Ulsters and staying in division 1 is "being found out" then long may we continue to be found out.

Ffs it was one game against Dublin... we go again in 2018.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2017, 01:56:16 AM
Some amount of nonsense talked here about Harte being "found out".

If winning 5 of the 8 cups on offer in the last 2 seasons, back to back Ulsters and staying in division 1 is "being found out" then long may we continue to be found out.

Ffs it was one game against Dublin... we go again in 2018.

Good God are you seriously counting mckenna cup and that other mickey mouse blitz in Cross?? Embarassing! If mickeys is targetting winning these to keep his crown we may all forget about it! Then again we are the kings of the mckenna cup! Imagine the backlash if we didnt retain it next year?!

And its not about it being "one game agsinst dublin", we all know mickey has been justifying his drab tactics to build to play the Dubs, that what it has taken c.3yrs to "perfect"!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2017, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2017, 01:56:16 AM
Some amount of nonsense talked here about Harte being "found out".

If winning 5 of the 8 cups on offer in the last 2 seasons, back to back Ulsters and staying in division 1 is "being found out" then long may we continue to be found out.

Ffs it was one game against Dublin... we go again in 2018.

Good God are you seriously counting mckenna cup and that other mickey mouse blitz in Cross?? Embarassing! If mickeys is targetting winning these to keep his crown we may all forget about it! Then again we are the kings of the mckenna cup! Imagine the backlash if we didnt retain it next year?!

And its not about it being "one game agsinst dublin", we all know mickey has been justifying his drab tactics to build to play the Dubs, that what it has taken c.3yrs to "perfect"!

Give over with your style of football nonsense.

The only style of football Tyrone fans should be interested in is a winning style of football.

Substance over style, always.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 10, 2017, 05:13:42 PM
Bomber have you nothing better to do with your life other than continually tell people on here what they should do and how wrong they are. F@@k you are tedious
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2017, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 10, 2017, 05:13:42 PM
Bomber have you nothing better to do with your life other than continually tell people on here what they should do and how wrong they are. F@@k you are tedious

Not as tedious as those spouting on about styles of football.

Losing football is losing football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2017, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2017, 01:56:16 AM
Some amount of nonsense talked here about Harte being "found out".

If winning 5 of the 8 cups on offer in the last 2 seasons, back to back Ulsters and staying in division 1 is "being found out" then long may we continue to be found out.

Ffs it was one game against Dublin... we go again in 2018.

Good God are you seriously counting mckenna cup and that other mickey mouse blitz in Cross?? Embarassing! If mickeys is targetting winning these to keep his crown we may all forget about it! Then again we are the kings of the mckenna cup! Imagine the backlash if we didnt retain it next year?!

And its not about it being "one game agsinst dublin", we all know mickey has been justifying his drab tactics to build to play the Dubs, that what it has taken c.3yrs to "perfect"!

Give over with your style of football nonsense.

The only style of football Tyrone fans should be interested in is a winning style of football.

Substance over style, always.

I completely agree, Tyrone should concentrate on a WINNING style, but somebody should tell Mickey that. He has spent years perfecting this current style and it took the Dubs less than 10mins to rip it apart. Forwards are being ruined, bereft of confidence, we could go on......

But 3 more years we have! Ah well, another lost generation......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
heard today that only 4 clubs voted against harte. landslide victory for him. amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums. certain stipulations on his new contract though, tyrone have to send a delegate to speak to rte and his backroom team has to be reduced. i wonder who will get the chop?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on September 10, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums.

Goodness gracious.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
heard today that only 4 clubs voted against harte. landslide victory for him. amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums. certain stipulations on his new contract though, tyrone have to send a delegate to speak to rte and his backroom team has to be reduced. i wonder who will get the chop?

That was expected before but players collectively decided not to speak...  if you're to believe that  ::)
Of course they did!! Then when the captain walks out of the changing rooms for last time he runs straight into the arms if RTE!!!

Sure just say Sean is the press Rep, he wont mind chatting to them!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 10, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
heard today that only 4 clubs voted against harte. landslide victory for him. amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums. certain stipulations on his new contract though, tyrone have to send a delegate to speak to rte and his backroom team has to be reduced. i wonder who will get the chop?

That was expected before but players collectively decided not to speak...  if you're to believe that  ::)
Of course they did!! Then when the captain walks out of the changing rooms for last time he runs straight into the arms if RTE!!!

Sure just say Sean is the press Rep, he wont mind chatting to them!

his appearance now totally casts doubts on the point of this RTE ban...

I wonder is he still observing the alcohol ban and the ban on unhealthy food. I wonder is he still following the fitness programme he agreed to follow! Grow up ffs. As part of the team he observes the team etiquette, he's not part of that anymore and he clearly wants a career in the media so he'd be mad to turn down the opportunity. How long should he wait to satisfy the faceless (small) minority, who clearly have no influence in their clubs, who shout very loud on Internet forums?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 10, 2017, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
heard today that only 4 clubs voted against harte. landslide victory for him. amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums. certain stipulations on his new contract though, tyrone have to send a delegate to speak to rte and his backroom team has to be reduced. i wonder who will get the chop?

STG, Do you know much about  the management sutuation of your own county?

Would you be happy with Rory Gallagher taking over from Pete McGrath?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on September 11, 2017, 10:32:25 AM
If i was a betting man i would wager that Mark Harte will be in the Tyrone Management set up in the next 18 months for a smooth hand over when Mickey Retires...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on September 11, 2017, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 11, 2017, 10:32:25 AM
If i was a betting man i would wager that Mark Harte will be in the Tyrone Management set up in the next 18 months for a smooth hand over when Mickey Retires...

Too late - he already is involved. Bet null and void.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on September 11, 2017, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
heard today that only 4 clubs voted against harte. landslide victory for him. amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums. certain stipulations on his new contract though, tyrone have to send a delegate to speak to rte and his backroom team has to be reduced. i wonder who will get the chop?

That was expected before but players collectively decided not to speak...  if you're to believe that  ::)
Of course they did!! Then when the captain walks out of the changing rooms for last time he runs straight into the arms if RTE!!!

Sure just say Sean is the press Rep, he wont mind chatting to them!

his appearance now totally casts doubts on the point of this RTE ban...

I wonder is he still observing the alcohol ban and the ban on unhealthy food. I wonder is he still following the fitness programme he agreed to follow! Grow up ffs. As part of the team he observes the team etiquette, he's not part of that anymore and he clearly wants a career in the media so he'd be mad to turn down the opportunity. How long should he wait to satisfy the faceless (small) minority, who clearly have no influence in their clubs, who shout very loud on Internet forums?

Jesus wept! Drink bans etc are not optional to play inter-county football. Not chatting to a national broadcaster due to issues the manager has is due to the manager ruling with an iron-fist! How is not doing interviews part of a teams etiquette?!? Sean retired then walked out of the changing room and picked up the PR baton, if he had any real allegiances to the Fuhrer he wouldnt have spoken to Rte and defo not last night! It makes a mockery of this one-foe-all crap!

Yes MH is an allireland wining manager which we should be forever indebted to, but his time was up 3-4yrs ago! He is a hypocrite who takes "principled" stances on issues that some have nothing to do with football but he always brings it back to Tyrone football. Any issues he has personally (and that includes RTE) should not interfere with Tyrone football! There is no reason why a young lad who wins a MOTM award cant go out and receive his award, petty to say the least! I would say a few of these younger lads who cant/wont step out of line will regret it in a few years time not receiving their awards. If there are Allstars handed out to Tyrone and Sean gets 1 and a few others, so Sean can talk to Rte but the rest cant!?? Farcical!

3 more years of Groundhog Day! But at least we can enjoy another McKenna Cup! That's what memories are made of!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 11, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 06, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
happy retirement to justy mc mahon. another great tyrone servant leaves the stage. he didnt waste much time gettin to f**k outta there after he heard the bad news last night.

lol, that made me laugh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 11, 2017, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 11, 2017, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
heard today that only 4 clubs voted against harte. landslide victory for him. amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums. certain stipulations on his new contract though, tyrone have to send a delegate to speak to rte and his backroom team has to be reduced. i wonder who will get the chop?

That was expected before but players collectively decided not to speak...  if you're to believe that  ::)
Of course they did!! Then when the captain walks out of the changing rooms for last time he runs straight into the arms if RTE!!!

Sure just say Sean is the press Rep, he wont mind chatting to them!

his appearance now totally casts doubts on the point of this RTE ban...

I wonder is he still observing the alcohol ban and the ban on unhealthy food. I wonder is he still following the fitness programme he agreed to follow! Grow up ffs. As part of the team he observes the team etiquette, he's not part of that anymore and he clearly wants a career in the media so he'd be mad to turn down the opportunity. How long should he wait to satisfy the faceless (small) minority, who clearly have no influence in their clubs, who shout very loud on Internet forums?

Jesus wept! Drink bans etc are not optional to play inter-county football. Not chatting to a national broadcaster due to issues the manager has is due to the manager ruling with an iron-fist! How is not doing interviews part of a teams etiquette?!? Sean retired then walked out of the changing room and picked up the PR baton, if he had any real allegiances to the Fuhrer he wouldnt have spoken to Rte and defo not last night! It makes a mockery of this one-foe-all crap!

Yes MH is an allireland wining manager which we should be forever indebted to, but his time was up 3-4yrs ago! He is a hypocrite who takes "principled" stances on issues that some have nothing to do with football but he always brings it back to Tyrone football. Any issues he has personally (and that includes RTE) should not interfere with Tyrone football! There is no reason why a young lad who wins a MOTM award cant go out and receive his award, petty to say the least! I would say a few of these younger lads who cant/wont step out of line will regret it in a few years time not receiving their awards. If there are Allstars handed out to Tyrone and Sean gets 1 and a few others, so Sean can talk to Rte but the rest cant!?? Farcical!

3 more years of Groundhog Day! But at least we can enjoy another McKenna Cup! That's what memories are made of!

Well said JP.  Couldnt agree more with you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 11, 2017, 10:50:18 PM
great post jp and i also couldnt agree more. seen gavin devlin at the game in carrickmore last night but no mickey. usually dont see one without the other. any chance devlin gettin the chop as mickey 'freshens up' the backroom team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on September 11, 2017, 10:55:20 PM
Micky was there yesterday with Mark and Michael!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 11, 2017, 11:03:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 11, 2017, 10:50:18 PM
great post jp and i also couldnt agree more. seen gavin devlin at the game in carrickmore last night but no mickey. usually dont see one without the other. any chance devlin gettin the chop as mickey 'freshens up' the backroom team?

What do you care?   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 12, 2017, 08:07:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 11, 2017, 10:50:18 PM
great post jp and i also couldnt agree more. seen gavin devlin at the game in carrickmore last night but no mickey. usually dont see one without the other. any chance devlin gettin the chop as mickey 'freshens up' the backroom team?
If its anything like the time that McCann got the chop Gavin may keep an eye out in the papers as MH certainly won't tell him to his face.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on September 12, 2017, 10:20:15 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 12, 2017, 08:07:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 11, 2017, 10:50:18 PM
great post jp and i also couldnt agree more. seen gavin devlin at the game in carrickmore last night but no mickey. usually dont see one without the other. any chance devlin gettin the chop as mickey 'freshens up' the backroom team?
If its anything like the time that McCann got the chop Gavin may keep an eye out in the papers as MH certainly won't tell him to his face.

I this true that Mickey never told fergal mccann to his face....find that hard to believe...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 12, 2017, 10:40:37 AM
Yes its true. Tony Donnelly was sent to mc canns house on a Tuesday evening to tell him. Mickey rang him 4 days later.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 12, 2017, 01:39:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
heard today that only 4 clubs voted against harte. landslide victory for him. amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums. certain stipulations on his new contract though, tyrone have to send a delegate to speak to rte and his backroom team has to be reduced. i wonder who will get the chop?

That was expected before but players collectively decided not to speak...  if you're to believe that  ::)
Of course they did!! Then when the captain walks out of the changing rooms for last time he runs straight into the arms if RTE!!!

Sure just say Sean is the press Rep, he wont mind chatting to them!

his appearance now totally casts doubts on the point of this RTE ban...

I wonder is he still observing the alcohol ban and the ban on unhealthy food. I wonder is he still following the fitness programme he agreed to follow! Grow up ffs. As part of the team he observes the team etiquette, he's not part of that anymore and he clearly wants a career in the media so he'd be mad to turn down the opportunity. How long should he wait to satisfy the faceless (small) minority, who clearly have no influence in their clubs, who shout very loud on Internet forums?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0910/903692-cavanagh-dublin-win/

Interesting interview Big Sean did with RTE

If I am to believe the rumours I heard that Sean didn't like Mickey much come the end - looks like he is a relieved man that can have his say on things. Lavishing praise on Jim Gavin and below paragraph is interesting:

"What really impressed me was the way Jim Gavin was able to read us. We were beaten in almost every facet of the game. We didn't change our approach quick enough, they were so impressive in the way they closed us down. All told, it was Gavin at his meticulous best."

Compare this with Mickeys interview after the match - "no need to change"  ???

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 12, 2017, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 12, 2017, 01:39:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on September 10, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2017, 10:07:41 PM
heard today that only 4 clubs voted against harte. landslide victory for him. amazing really when u see the oppostion on internet forums. certain stipulations on his new contract though, tyrone have to send a delegate to speak to rte and his backroom team has to be reduced. i wonder who will get the chop?

That was expected before but players collectively decided not to speak...  if you're to believe that  ::)
Of course they did!! Then when the captain walks out of the changing rooms for last time he runs straight into the arms if RTE!!!

Sure just say Sean is the press Rep, he wont mind chatting to them!

his appearance now totally casts doubts on the point of this RTE ban...

I wonder is he still observing the alcohol ban and the ban on unhealthy food. I wonder is he still following the fitness programme he agreed to follow! Grow up ffs. As part of the team he observes the team etiquette, he's not part of that anymore and he clearly wants a career in the media so he'd be mad to turn down the opportunity. How long should he wait to satisfy the faceless (small) minority, who clearly have no influence in their clubs, who shout very loud on Internet forums?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0910/903692-cavanagh-dublin-win/

Interesting interview Big Sean did with RTE

If I am to believe the rumours I heard that Sean didn't like Mickey much come the end - looks like he is a relieved man that can have his say on things. Lavishing praise on Jim Gavin and below paragraph is interesting:

"What really impressed me was the way Jim Gavin was able to read us. We were beaten in almost every facet of the game. We didn't change our approach quick enough, they were so impressive in the way they closed us down. All told, it was Gavin at his meticulous best."

Compare this with Mickeys interview after the match - "no need to change"  ???

Very interesting that he is gushing in his praise for Gavin. I heard from one of the players that Harte had tried to motivate the players in the run up to the game about wiping the smug smile off Gavin's face. Harte obviously doesn't like Gavin and the praise now from Cavanagh could be seen as an indirect dig at harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 12, 2017, 02:22:48 PM
Jesus lads get on with your lives such moaning! who cares
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 12, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 12, 2017, 02:22:48 PM
Jesus lads get on with your lives such moaning! who cares
football is our lives. You obviosly don't care as long as mickey is in charge so maybe you should get a life.!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 12, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 12, 2017, 02:22:48 PM
Jesus lads get on with your lives such moaning! who cares

Sorry redhanddefender I'm not calling for Mickey to go or moaning - I can accept that he's here for the next three years and thats fine - I just like to debate Tyrone GAA with like minded people - some of whom I will accept have a different opinion to mine and thats okay too.

just found the article interesting and wanted to see what other views where on it.

Do you believe your right 100% of the time and no one can have a different view to yours?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on September 12, 2017, 03:34:36 PM
Why do yous think its an issue he's talkin to RTE, isnt it that Tyrone players arent talking to them and since he isnt a Tyrone player then I guess he can talk to whoever he feels?
Do people still expect Cavanagh not to play in starred fixtures next season aswel
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 12, 2017, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 12, 2017, 03:34:36 PM
Why do yous think its an issue he's talkin to RTE, isnt it that Tyrone players arent talking to them and since he isnt a Tyrone player then I guess he can talk to whoever he feels?
Do people still expect Cavanagh not to play in starred fixtures next season aswel


Firstly i don't think its an issue that he's talking to RTE - I just think that the rhetoric that Harte uses saying the players are free to talk to RTE if they want is bullshit - obviously theres a fear factor involved and Cavanagh (rightly in my opinion) talked immediately to them after his retirement.

Secondly my main point was that I sense an under tone in Cavanaghs interview here that Tyrone had no plan B and where beaten by a shrewder manager - hardly something you would expect from departing captain so soon after a very embarrassing defeat, particularly when the manager has said the system won't change.

But maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Good Luck to Mickey I hope he changes the system but it was Einstein who said:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin. I saw Conall McCann and Mark Bradley playing against a team up from intermediate at the weekend and they were shocking. That's 2 of our starting 15 against the dubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 12, 2017, 06:05:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 12, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 12, 2017, 02:22:48 PM
Jesus lads get on with your lives such moaning! who cares
football is our lives. You obviosly don't care as long as mickey is in charge so maybe you should get a life.!

Mind your own business!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.


I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

Forwards playing as forwards not corner backs win matches. Tyrone forward line are not allowed to play as attacking first players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on September 12, 2017, 07:03:07 PM
Jeasus wept you men chat some shite!
Would love to know what you have ever managed in your lives.
Harte is Tyrones most successful manager ever and I guarantee will never be equaled. I have no doubt your shite is based on personal reasons and I wonder did Mickey not pick you as a minor? Did he drop you as an U21? Would he not sign your wee jersey? Is he the reason your cub's not a 3 time all star?
Catch a grip tyrone are competing with the best in Ireland their set up and preparation are right up there. His job is a thankless one (thanks to clampets like you) it  is a full time commitment  24/7.
Now who in under jeasus else is there out there who is  1) capable enough 2) willing 3) any better 4) able to walk away from their job/family/life and most importantly could make an actual difference???? Yes Harteis performance should be held up to scrutiny and be reviewed.......  but not by gobshites like you who's greatest input into Tyrone football is to make anonymous posts on the internet 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..

Don't you understand that to "to compete with the best" you dont need to develope forwards apparently the opposition are to be convinced to stick the ball over their own bar to placate the mickey fan club on this interenet form. Anyone who dares question his methods

1. Dose not have a clue
2. never played the game
3. has not been picked by mickey
4. has had a relative who has not been picked by mickey
5. has never managed a team in their lives
6. has personel issues with mickey.

or possibly are a little feed up with paying good money to watch their county being beaten out the gate while "competing with the best" because our great leader has decided we dont need to play with a forward line which contains players who might actually threaten the opposition goals and plays a system that does not require you to defend a deficit. Time a few people woke up and smelled the coffee or is that a hint of gravy in the air ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 12, 2017, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..

Don't you understand that to "to compete with the best" you dont need to develope forwards apparently the opposition are to be convinced to stick the ball over their own bar to placate the mickey fan club on this interenet form. Anyone who dares question his methods

1. Dose not have a clue
2. never played the game
3. has not been picked by mickey
4. has had a relative who has not been picked by mickey
5. has never managed a team in their lives
6. has personel issues with mickey.

or possibly are a little feed up with paying good money to watch their county being beaten out the gate while "competing with the best" because our great leader has decided we dont need to play with a forward line which contains players who might actually threaten the opposition goals and plays a system that does not require you to defend a deficit. Time a few people woke up and smelled the coffee or is that a hint of gravy in the air ?

The vast majority of clubs in this county voted for Harte to stay so Bill, go you along to your local club meeting (I don't know who it is but they probably voted for Harte to stay) and tell them that you are sick of paying a few pounds to go and watch Tyrone play and that they need to wake up and smell the coffee because you believe Mickey Harte tactics are wrong. Tell them how pissed off you are and demand that they to listen to you and next time the vote for Mickey to leave comes up they should follow your advice. There's no point venting on here, nobody on here can make a difference but I'm sure, once they work out who you are, the lads in your local club will be glad to hear what you have to say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on September 13, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 12, 2017, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..

Don't you understand that to "to compete with the best" you dont need to develope forwards apparently the opposition are to be convinced to stick the ball over their own bar to placate the mickey fan club on this interenet form. Anyone who dares question his methods

1. Dose not have a clue
2. never played the game
3. has not been picked by mickey
4. has had a relative who has not been picked by mickey
5. has never managed a team in their lives
6. has personel issues with mickey.

or possibly are a little feed up with paying good money to watch their county being beaten out the gate while "competing with the best" because our great leader has decided we dont need to play with a forward line which contains players who might actually threaten the opposition goals and plays a system that does not require you to defend a deficit. Time a few people woke up and smelled the coffee or is that a hint of gravy in the air ?

The vast majority of clubs in this county voted for Harte to stay so Bill, go you along to your local club meeting (I don't know who it is but they probably voted for Harte to stay) and tell them that you are sick of paying a few pounds to go and watch Tyrone play and that they need to wake up and smell the coffee because you believe Mickey Harte tactics are wrong. Tell them how pissed off you are and demand that they to listen to you and next time the vote for Mickey to leave comes up they should follow your advice. There's no point venting on here, nobody on here can make a difference but I'm sure, once they work out who you are, the lads in your local club will be glad to hear what you have to say.

Serious amount of canvassing done in this area to keep Mickey by a local county board club delegate and ex fixtures chairman.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 13, 2017, 01:51:59 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 13, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 12, 2017, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..

Don't you understand that to "to compete with the best" you dont need to develope forwards apparently the opposition are to be convinced to stick the ball over their own bar to placate the mickey fan club on this interenet form. Anyone who dares question his methods

1. Dose not have a clue
2. never played the game
3. has not been picked by mickey
4. has had a relative who has not been picked by mickey
5. has never managed a team in their lives
6. has personel issues with mickey.

or possibly are a little feed up with paying good money to watch their county being beaten out the gate while "competing with the best" because our great leader has decided we dont need to play with a forward line which contains players who might actually threaten the opposition goals and plays a system that does not require you to defend a deficit. Time a few people woke up and smelled the coffee or is that a hint of gravy in the air ?

The vast majority of clubs in this county voted for Harte to stay so Bill, go you along to your local club meeting (I don't know who it is but they probably voted for Harte to stay) and tell them that you are sick of paying a few pounds to go and watch Tyrone play and that they need to wake up and smell the coffee because you believe Mickey Harte tactics are wrong. Tell them how pissed off you are and demand that they to listen to you and next time the vote for Mickey to leave comes up they should follow your advice. There's no point venting on here, nobody on here can make a difference but I'm sure, once they work out who you are, the lads in your local club will be glad to hear what you have to say.

Serious amount of canvassing done in this area to keep Mickey by a local county board club delegate and ex fixtures chairman.....

Benny what makes you so sure that I havent already expressed my opinion to club representatives already. It is not as if my opinions are like a voice in the wilderness. In the recent week I have spoken to many people within my own club and neighbouring clubs and I am not detecting any great support for the decision made. If anything a lot of people are far from happy about the lack of consultation with grass route members and fact it was 3 years the general feeling is that the vote taken was far from representative. You can make the argument that if people are not happy they can storm the bastille and change the county board make up. Not likely to happen. what is already happening and most likely to esculate is that people will vote with their feet and stop attending county matches. I am already seeing it at club level that the Derry problem of advising young players to avoid county call ups is becoming more of an issue. A sad state off affairs but sure hey people get what they vote for...........and anyone who is unhappy needs to shut up and get on with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on September 13, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 12, 2017, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..

Don't you understand that to "to compete with the best" you dont need to develope forwards apparently the opposition are to be convinced to stick the ball over their own bar to placate the mickey fan club on this interenet form. Anyone who dares question his methods

1. Dose not have a clue
2. never played the game
3. has not been picked by mickey
4. has had a relative who has not been picked by mickey
5. has never managed a team in their lives
6. has personel issues with mickey.

or possibly are a little feed up with paying good money to watch their county being beaten out the gate while "competing with the best" because our great leader has decided we dont need to play with a forward line which contains players who might actually threaten the opposition goals and plays a system that does not require you to defend a deficit. Time a few people woke up and smelled the coffee or is that a hint of gravy in the air ?

The vast majority of clubs in this county voted for Harte to stay so Bill, go you along to your local club meeting (I don't know who it is but they probably voted for Harte to stay) and tell them that you are sick of paying a few pounds to go and watch Tyrone play and that they need to wake up and smell the coffee because you believe Mickey Harte tactics are wrong. Tell them how pissed off you are and demand that they to listen to you and next time the vote for Mickey to leave comes up they should follow your advice. There's no point venting on here, nobody on here can make a difference but I'm sure, once they work out who you are, the lads in your local club will be glad to hear what you have to say.

Not technically true, vast majority of club delegates voted for Harte to stay. It was proposed on the night that the delegates be allowed to go back and discuss with their clubs, that was overturned with a counter proposal that it be decided there and then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 13, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: shezam on September 13, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 12, 2017, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..

Don't you understand that to "to compete with the best" you dont need to develope forwards apparently the opposition are to be convinced to stick the ball over their own bar to placate the mickey fan club on this interenet form. Anyone who dares question his methods

1. Dose not have a clue
2. never played the game
3. has not been picked by mickey
4. has had a relative who has not been picked by mickey
5. has never managed a team in their lives
6. has personel issues with mickey.

or possibly are a little feed up with paying good money to watch their county being beaten out the gate while "competing with the best" because our great leader has decided we dont need to play with a forward line which contains players who might actually threaten the opposition goals and plays a system that does not require you to defend a deficit. Time a few people woke up and smelled the coffee or is that a hint of gravy in the air ?

The vast majority of clubs in this county voted for Harte to stay so Bill, go you along to your local club meeting (I don't know who it is but they probably voted for Harte to stay) and tell them that you are sick of paying a few pounds to go and watch Tyrone play and that they need to wake up and smell the coffee because you believe Mickey Harte tactics are wrong. Tell them how pissed off you are and demand that they to listen to you and next time the vote for Mickey to leave comes up they should follow your advice. There's no point venting on here, nobody on here can make a difference but I'm sure, once they work out who you are, the lads in your local club will be glad to hear what you have to say.

Not technically true, vast majority of club delegates voted for Harte to stay. It was proposed on the night that the delegates be allowed to go back and discuss with their clubs, that was overturned with a counter proposal that it be decided there and then.

Yes but clubs were aware the vote was coming so should have got an answer before that night.

The bottom line is the vast majority of people in tyrone think its the right answer. You want to do something get involved in your club and get your club to bring forward a motion to put him out.

I'm sure it would have popular vote given the way you are talking
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 05:18:58 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 13, 2017, 01:51:59 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 13, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 12, 2017, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..

Don't you understand that to "to compete with the best" you dont need to develope forwards apparently the opposition are to be convinced to stick the ball over their own bar to placate the mickey fan club on this interenet form. Anyone who dares question his methods

1. Dose not have a clue
2. never played the game
3. has not been picked by mickey
4. has had a relative who has not been picked by mickey
5. has never managed a team in their lives
6. has personel issues with mickey.

or possibly are a little feed up with paying good money to watch their county being beaten out the gate while "competing with the best" because our great leader has decided we dont need to play with a forward line which contains players who might actually threaten the opposition goals and plays a system that does not require you to defend a deficit. Time a few people woke up and smelled the coffee or is that a hint of gravy in the air ?

The vast majority of clubs in this county voted for Harte to stay so Bill, go you along to your local club meeting (I don't know who it is but they probably voted for Harte to stay) and tell them that you are sick of paying a few pounds to go and watch Tyrone play and that they need to wake up and smell the coffee because you believe Mickey Harte tactics are wrong. Tell them how pissed off you are and demand that they to listen to you and next time the vote for Mickey to leave comes up they should follow your advice. There's no point venting on here, nobody on here can make a difference but I'm sure, once they work out who you are, the lads in your local club will be glad to hear what you have to say.

Serious amount of canvassing done in this area to keep Mickey by a local county board club delegate and ex fixtures chairman.....

Benny what makes you so sure that I havent already expressed my opinion to club representatives already. It is not as if my opinions are like a voice in the wilderness. In the recent week I have spoken to many people within my own club and neighbouring clubs and I am not detecting any great support for the decision made. If anything a lot of people are far from happy about the lack of consultation with grass route members and fact it was 3 years the general feeling is that the vote taken was far from representative. You can make the argument that if people are not happy they can storm the bastille and change the county board make up. Not likely to happen. what is already happening and most likely to esculate is that people will vote with their feet and stop attending county matches. I am already seeing it at club level that the Derry problem of advising young players to avoid county call ups is becoming more of an issue. A sad state off affairs but sure hey people get what they vote for...........and anyone who is unhappy needs to shut up and get on with it.

But you and every club knew this decision was coming up. If you voiced this at your club meeting and had the groundswell of support that you say is there, then how did your club not vote to get Mickey out? I'm genuinely intrigued how such vociferous people online, some claiming mutiny  in the streets, fail so miserably to get their very loud voices heard within their clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 13, 2017, 06:21:00 PM
Quote from: shezam on September 13, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 12, 2017, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 12, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on September 12, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 12, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
Boys ultimately we don't have the forwards to compete with Dublin.

I would agree with this, you still need top forwards to win All Irelands and currently they dont exist in Tyrone.  Im not sure where the really next top, match winning forward/s in Tyrone are coming from.  We seem to have abundances of running half forward types but very little options for the full forward line.  Until we unearth some forwards who can be considered to be amongst the best in Ireland, then All Ireland glory will be out of our reach.  Forwards win matches.

How are we going to unearth a really top class full forward if we continue to use this defensive style of play particularly when it's also being used by the development squads..

Don't you understand that to "to compete with the best" you dont need to develope forwards apparently the opposition are to be convinced to stick the ball over their own bar to placate the mickey fan club on this interenet form. Anyone who dares question his methods

1. Dose not have a clue
2. never played the game
3. has not been picked by mickey
4. has had a relative who has not been picked by mickey
5. has never managed a team in their lives
6. has personel issues with mickey.

or possibly are a little feed up with paying good money to watch their county being beaten out the gate while "competing with the best" because our great leader has decided we dont need to play with a forward line which contains players who might actually threaten the opposition goals and plays a system that does not require you to defend a deficit. Time a few people woke up and smelled the coffee or is that a hint of gravy in the air ?

The vast majority of clubs in this county voted for Harte to stay so Bill, go you along to your local club meeting (I don't know who it is but they probably voted for Harte to stay) and tell them that you are sick of paying a few pounds to go and watch Tyrone play and that they need to wake up and smell the coffee because you believe Mickey Harte tactics are wrong. Tell them how pissed off you are and demand that they to listen to you and next time the vote for Mickey to leave comes up they should follow your advice. There's no point venting on here, nobody on here can make a difference but I'm sure, once they work out who you are, the lads in your local club will be glad to hear what you have to say.

Not technically true, vast majority of club delegates voted for Harte to stay. It was proposed on the night that the delegates be allowed to go back and discuss with their clubs, that was overturned with a counter proposal that it be decided there and then.


Sounds to me that a few delegates in one camp had their homework very well done and knew they had a better chance providing it did not go back to the clubs. Very well managed from their point of view but at what cost ?

I really hope that they are right and that it is in the interest of Tyrone and I am sure that is the view they hold.

I do think the process of appointing the county manager needs to be reviewed. Either it is a decision for an appointments committee or it is at the descretion of the clubs. If it is the later then the clubs must by right be given the time and the details of the proposal well in advance of a vote so that they may express an informed view. Not for proposals to be foisted on club delagates with out the option of referral to their club.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on September 13, 2017, 06:43:44 PM
Clar for county meeting was emailed out the week previous week, very clearly stating that County Senior management would be up for discussion. As I've said earlier I know of clubs, my own included, who asked committee members how they would like to vote prior to the meeting. If some clubs can do it, there's no reason why they all can't. If a clubs county board delegate didn't go and seek the feelings from the club committee then maybe questions should be asked of the club delegate?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 13, 2017, 06:43:44 PM
Clar for county meeting was emailed out the week previous week, very clearly stating that County Senior management would be up for discussion. As I've said earlier I know of clubs, my own included, who asked committee members how they would like to vote prior to the meeting. If some clubs can do it, there's no reason why they all can't. If a clubs county board delegate didn't go and seek the feelings from the club committee then maybe questions should be asked of the club delegate?
did the email that was sent out to clubs clearly state that there was a proposed 3 year term for harte or that county senior management was up for discussion. i reckon more than a few delegates landed at garvaghey that night and didnt know what they were voting on until they got there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 13, 2017, 06:43:44 PM
Clar for county meeting was emailed out the week previous week, very clearly stating that County Senior management would be up for discussion. As I've said earlier I know of clubs, my own included, who asked committee members how they would like to vote prior to the meeting. If some clubs can do it, there's no reason why they all can't. If a clubs county board delegate didn't go and seek the feelings from the club committee then maybe questions should be asked of the club delegate?
did the email that was sent out to clubs clearly state that there was a proposed 3 year term for harte or that county senior management was up for discussion. i reckon more than a few delegates landed at garvaghey that night and didnt know what they were voting on until they got there.

Do you know this? Or is it just what you reckon?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 13, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 13, 2017, 06:43:44 PM
Clar for county meeting was emailed out the week previous week, very clearly stating that County Senior management would be up for discussion. As I've said earlier I know of clubs, my own included, who asked committee members how they would like to vote prior to the meeting. If some clubs can do it, there's no reason why they all can't. If a clubs county board delegate didn't go and seek the feelings from the club committee then maybe questions should be asked of the club delegate?
did the email that was sent out to clubs clearly state that there was a proposed 3 year term for harte or that county senior management was up for discussion. i reckon more than a few delegates landed at garvaghey that night and didnt know what they were voting on until they got there.

Do you know this? Or is it just what you reckon?

Benny maybe you might enlighten us all exactly what was communicated to the clubs and their delegates in advance of the meeting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 13, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 13, 2017, 06:43:44 PM
Clar for county meeting was emailed out the week previous week, very clearly stating that County Senior management would be up for discussion. As I've said earlier I know of clubs, my own included, who asked committee members how they would like to vote prior to the meeting. If some clubs can do it, there's no reason why they all can't. If a clubs county board delegate didn't go and seek the feelings from the club committee then maybe questions should be asked of the club delegate?
did the email that was sent out to clubs clearly state that there was a proposed 3 year term for harte or that county senior management was up for discussion. i reckon more than a few delegates landed at garvaghey that night and didnt know what they were voting on until they got there.

Do you know this? Or is it just what you reckon?

Benny maybe you might enlighten us all exactly what was communicated to the clubs and their delegates in advance of the meeting.

I don't know Bill. I'm just trying to reconcile the comments by the likes of yourself and SouthTyrone suggesting there'd be riots on the streets if Mickey got a new term and what actually happened when the clubs voted fairly clearly to keep him in place. All I do I know is that the clubs were informed of the vote in advance and where invited  to discuss it and if I was as angry as you lads always seem to be then I'd make damn sure I had my voice heard at a forum where it would make a difference. All I'm asking is, did any of you lads take the opportunity?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 10:55:54 PM
well at least i know for next time. il just have to get on my committee and work my way up to county delegate. i hve 3 yrs then i can vote him out to f**k.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 10:55:54 PM
well at least i know for next time. il just have to get on my committee and work my way up to county delegate. i hve 3 yrs then i can vote him out to f**k.

Good lad. I'm sure your club will appreciate your efforts over the next 3 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
well il have plenty of time to devote to my club cause i sure as hell wont be attending any tyrone games in the next 3 yrs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 13, 2017, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 13, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 13, 2017, 06:43:44 PM
Clar for county meeting was emailed out the week previous week, very clearly stating that County Senior management would be up for discussion. As I've said earlier I know of clubs, my own included, who asked committee members how they would like to vote prior to the meeting. If some clubs can do it, there's no reason why they all can't. If a clubs county board delegate didn't go and seek the feelings from the club committee then maybe questions should be asked of the club delegate?
did the email that was sent out to clubs clearly state that there was a proposed 3 year term for harte or that county senior management was up for discussion. i reckon more than a few delegates landed at garvaghey that night and didnt know what they were voting on until they got there.

Do you know this? Or is it just what you reckon?

Benny maybe you might enlighten us all exactly what was communicated to the clubs and their delegates in advance of the meeting.

I don't know Bill. I'm just trying to reconcile the comments by the likes of yourself and SouthTyrone suggesting there'd be riots on the streets if Mickey got a new term and what actually happened when the clubs voted fairly clearly to keep him in place. All I do I know is that the clubs were informed of the vote in advance and where invited  to discuss it and if I was as angry as you lads always seem to be then I'd make damn sure I had my voice heard at a forum where it would make a difference. All I'm asking is, did any of you lads take the opportunity?

Benny it is very difficult to have an informed opinion on a proposal if it has not been presented ahead of a vote. You know very well that most clubs where not advised in advance of a 3 year term. As to making my feelings known on it I aint behind the door when it comes to expressing an opinion to club representatives as many appeared to be equally surprised that a 3 year term was agreed without reference to the clubs.

I will say this is that now the decision has been made I hope it works out well and I will be first to put my hand up if I am wrong.

I wont be holding my breath and I think I will stick to watching club football for the forseable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 13, 2017, 11:23:07 PM
More excitement in first weekend of the club championship than all of this year's county Ulster championship...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 13, 2017, 11:29:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 13, 2017, 11:23:07 PM
More excitement in first weekend of the club championship than all of this year's county Ulster championship...

+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 13, 2017, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 10:55:54 PM
well at least i know for next time. il just have to get on my committee and work my way up to county delegate. i hve 3 yrs then i can vote him out to f**k.

Give Gallagher a chance. You Fermanagh  ones are very impatient. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 14, 2017, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
well il have plenty of time to devote to my club cause i sure as hell wont be attending any tyrone games in the next 3 yrs.

Good stuff, maybe you can avoid this thread here as well in that time as you'll have no interest in the county team during that time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 14, 2017, 09:51:14 PM
dont worry bomber il still be here. will be following with extra interest. just wont be forkin out my hard earned to watch it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 14, 2017, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 14, 2017, 09:51:14 PM
dont worry bomber il still be here. will be following with extra interest. just wont be forkin out my hard earned to watch it.

You leaving the Tyrone supporters club as well? People who support managers as opposed to teams are weird.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: an léirmheastóir on September 15, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 14, 2017, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 14, 2017, 09:51:14 PM
dont worry bomber il still be here. will be following with extra interest. just wont be forkin out my hard earned to watch it.

You leaving the Tyrone supporters club as well? People who support managers as opposed to teams are weird.


Managers and dictators are not the same thing ye know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 15, 2017, 10:01:26 PM
And if they blow Mayo away? That'll mean no county got close to them in the AI. Would that not suggest that Dublin really are that good. And maybe Tyrone underestimated how good they are?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 15, 2017, 10:57:58 PM
How in the name of god could we underestimate a team that has won 4 out of the last 6 all Irelands?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 15, 2017, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 15, 2017, 10:01:26 PM
And if they blow Mayo away? That'll mean no county got close to them in the AI. Would that not suggest that Dublin really are that good. And maybe Tyrone underestimated how good they are?

I think maybe Tyrone overestimated how good they are...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 16, 2017, 10:04:26 PM
I think it's a bit of both. Tyrone aren't as good as Ulster made them look. But Dublin look to have stepped up again this year. Maybe I'm wrong and Mayo will give them a game but I think they're as complete a team as I've seen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 17, 2017, 04:21:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 17, 2017, 04:14:03 PM
Whatever happens in the second half, Mickey Harte should be embarassed the way he sent Tyrone out to play Dublin... push up and go at them

100% +1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 17, 2017, 05:32:11 PM
Dublin's main players were on holidays when their "reserves" won an O'Byrne Cup yet people on here brag about Kc Kenna Cups!!!!

Free Kickers win games - Tyron don't have 1

Mayo had a go, they were unlucky - Tyrone stuck to their defensive system for 70 minutes and got embarrassed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 17, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
agreee with this but whats more embaressing is that our county board have decided to give mickey another 3 years. mayo are a credit to themselves but just came up short. they  can hold their heads high.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 17, 2017, 05:38:58 PM
Looking like a while before a team from Ulster be anywhere near landing Sam.The most ominous thing was the Kerry minors display.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 17, 2017, 06:05:27 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 17, 2017, 04:14:03 PM
Whatever happens in the second half, Mickey Harte should be embarassed the way he sent Tyrone out to play Dublin... push up and go at them

Indeed. Further proof, if any was required, that Tyrone's style of play is moronic. Dublin are class but the manner of our defeat was all done to the way the team was prepared.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 17, 2017, 11:07:37 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 17, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
agreee with this but whats more embaressing is that our county board have decided to give mickey another 3 years. mayo are a credit to themselves but just came up short. they  can hold their heads high.

Go to your own county thread and plague it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 08:07:16 PM
Mayo showed the type of game plan needed to beat Dublin yesterday. I just don't think we have the type of players to play that way though.

I hope we certainly try and be a bit more assertive next year, try and keep two inside and go for it but I'd worry about our defence being left exposed and our inside forward players are not ball winners.

I also think we're a fair bit off Dublin and Mayo physically. Peter Donnelly will need to be busy this Winter with the squad.

Some freshening up is needed in the squad also, I'm not sure guys like Conall McCann, McShane or HP McGeary are up to it and maybe it's time to look at other faces.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 18, 2017, 08:32:24 PM
Mickey Harte on with team talk now

http://teamtalkmag.com/2017/09/monday-night-show-mickey-harte-830pm/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 18, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
bomber why single out those 3 players? 2 of whom barely kicked a ball for tyrone this year? what about some of the guys who played against dublin? and if u think a few new faces in the panel is gonna fix things then your deluded.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 09:44:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 18, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
bomber why single out those 3 players? 2 of whom barely kicked a ball for tyrone this year? what about some of the guys who played against dublin? and if u think a few new faces in the panel is gonna fix things then your deluded.

I don't think new players are going to fix anything.

McShane and Conall McCann have had a lot of chances at this stage and not grasped, HP McGeary is a guy who I don't think is up to it. I think there are other players that are certainly worth looking at.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 18, 2017, 09:52:47 PM
Did anyone listen to Team talk? Sounds to me that Mickey ain't going to be changing the one man FF approach anytime soon. He was quoting Dublin and Mayo at times having 1 man forward. What he fails to grasp is that this happened for a tiny percentage of the game.

He also noted that we attack very quickly and get numbers forward. However, in my (albeit humble) opinion Mayo caused Dublin serious issues because they regularly left 3/4 men in the Dublin half. This meant Dublin had to tag them and as a result it significantly hampered their ability to fully implement their running game.

Furthermore, Mayo 100% commited to pressing Cluxton's kick outs. This severely spooked him and gave Mayo huge momentum. We only went 80% on the press. Each timw Dublin had one man free. Mickey needs to watch the Mayo press (Kerry as well) and replicate this in a planned fashion. It's true that the intensity of the press tales huge physical commitment and this, it could be argued, contributed to Mayo's eventual downfall. However, a fully committed press with a slight increase in forward numbers should be our approach to next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 18, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
Was having this conversation with a man today and want your opinions -

Looks like Mc Carron has played his last game for Dromore and likely transferring to a Kildare team were he lives. Do you think he will still play for Tyrone next year??

I know in Dublin several other County players play club football for Dublin teams, have Tyrone ever had a player who lived outside the County, played club football outside the County but represented Tyrone??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 18, 2017, 10:03:34 PM
mc carron said in irish news last week that he will never play for another county. sounded like he would continue to play for tyrone. is he good enough any more though?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on September 18, 2017, 10:04:23 PM
Did Kevin McCabe not play club football in Dublin or Meath for a year and still played for tyrone. Damian O'Hagan too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 18, 2017, 09:52:47 PM
Did anyone listen to Team talk? Sounds to me that Mickey ain't going to be changing the one man FF approach anytime soon. He was quoting Dublin and Mayo at times having 1 man forward. What he fails to grasp is that this happened for a tiny percentage of the game.

He also noted that we attack very quickly and get numbers forward. However, in my (albeit humble) opinion Mayo caused Dublin serious issues because they regularly left 3/4 men in the Dublin half. This meant Dublin had to tag them and as a result it significantly hampered their ability to fully implement their running game.

Furthermore, Mayo 100% commited to pressing Cluxton's kick outs. This severely spooked him and gave Mayo huge momentum. We only went 80% on the press. Each timw Dublin had one man free. Mickey needs to watch the Mayo press (Kerry as well) and replicate this in a planned fashion. It's true that the intensity of the press tales huge physical commitment and this, it could be argued, contributed to Mayo's eventual downfall. However, a fully committed press with a slight increase in forward numbers should be our approach to next year.

Fully agree with your synopsis on how Mayo hurt Dublin but do you believe we have the players to mirror the way Mayo play?

I don't think we've anywhere near the physicality of Mayo, we don't have a ball winner like Moran inside, we don't have a wrecking ball like O'Shea around the middle of the pitch, we don't have real sticky tigerish markers like Harrison and Barrett.

You play the hand you're dealt with and while we have some very good footballers, there's an imbalance to our side. I take on board we need to change aspects of our play but it's not just as easy as copying Mayo as we don't have the players who can enact it like they do.

As for the kickouts the last day, spot on, it was a disaster, you either go all in on the press or you cash out. We pushed up but always left one man free and that one man was picked up every time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 10:13:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 18, 2017, 10:03:34 PM
mc carron said in irish news last week that he will never play for another county. sounded like he would continue to play for tyrone. is he good enough any more though?

McCarron's legs look to have gone on him.

He'd probably do a good job on a physical target man but I'd worry about him on a mobile player with good movement, Clarke gave him the runaround when we played Armagh. Andy Moran destroyed him in a league game against Mayo this year.

I think he can still play a role albeit in a different manner to what he has done.

Who are our best man markers though?

Hampsey?
Brennan?

I think it's an area we are lacking in reliable options
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on September 18, 2017, 10:15:59 PM
Colin Holmes played with Armagh Harps during the 2000s.

On Harte and the Dublin game what I couldn't understand was the failure to man mark any of Dublin's key players. We did it against Murphy and Donegal but seemingly not against Dublin. Dublin made sure they marked Harte, McCann, Sludden and Donnelly we left Kilkenny and McCaffrey have the freedom of the park.

Mayo didn't make the same mistakes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: barelegs on September 18, 2017, 10:15:59 PM
Colin Holmes played with Armagh Harps during the 2000s.

On Harte and the Dublin game what I couldn't understand was the failure to man mark any of Dublin's key players. We did it against Murphy and Donegal but seemingly not against Dublin. Dublin made sure they marked Harte, McCann, Sludden and Donnelly we left Kilkenny and McCaffrey have the freedom of the park.

Mayo didn't make the same mistakes

Apples and oranges. Mayo went man to man on Dublin effectively.

We man marked Murphy and McBrearty against Donegal and were zonal after that. Dublin have 6 match winners in their forward line and another 3 or 4 on the bench ready to come in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 18, 2017, 10:26:49 PM
why would teamtalkmag have mickey harte on talkin shite after the all ireland? the man has no relevance in the modern game. you think hed be ashamed to talk about football the way he has left tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 18, 2017, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: barelegs on September 18, 2017, 10:15:59 PM
Colin Holmes played with Armagh Harps during the 2000s.

On Harte and the Dublin game what I couldn't understand was the failure to man mark any of Dublin's key players. We did it against Murphy and Donegal but seemingly not against Dublin. Dublin made sure they marked Harte, McCann, Sludden and Donnelly we left Kilkenny and McCaffrey have the freedom of the park.

Mayo didn't make the same mistakes

Apples and oranges. Mayo went man to man on Dublin effectively.

We man marked Murphy and McBrearty against Donegal and were zonal after that. Dublin have 6 match winners in their forward line and another 3 or 4 on the bench ready to come in.

Can u think for yourselve instead of repeating the press/media line. Mayo man marked Kilkenny everywhere he went, the remainder of there backs played there men the way a bloody decent defender should, got stuck into them and made it a war, not standing off them when the ball was 60 yards up the field, whilst they has a player drop back almost 50% of the time to sweep in front of the full back line. Andrews, O Gara, Flynn, Manion, Scully are not match winners, v good players yes. Brogan was a match winner but isn't anymore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 18, 2017, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: barelegs on September 18, 2017, 10:15:59 PM
Colin Holmes played with Armagh Harps during the 2000s.

On Harte and the Dublin game what I couldn't understand was the failure to man mark any of Dublin's key players. We did it against Murphy and Donegal but seemingly not against Dublin. Dublin made sure they marked Harte, McCann, Sludden and Donnelly we left Kilkenny and McCaffrey have the freedom of the park.

Mayo didn't make the same mistakes

Apples and oranges. Mayo went man to man on Dublin effectively.

We man marked Murphy and McBrearty against Donegal and were zonal after that. Dublin have 6 match winners in their forward line and another 3 or 4 on the bench ready to come in.

Can u think for yourselve instead of repeating the press/media line. Mayo man marked Kilkenny everywhere he went, the remainder of there backs played there men the way a bloody decent defender should, got stuck into them and made it a war, not standing off them when the ball was 60 yards up the field, whilst they has a player drop back almost 50% of the time to sweep in front of the full back line. Andrews, O Gara, Flynn, Manion, Scully are not match winners, v good players yes. Brogan was a match winner but isn't anymore.

I watched the game.

What sort of fantasy world are you living in?

Mannion is a match winner.

Andrews is a match winner, ask Mayo fans about what he did to them in 2015.

Flynn is a 4 time All Star and a bonafide matchwinner, maybe past his best but still capable of it. Costello who got a few minutes near the end came on in the All Ireland final last year and won the match for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 19, 2017, 12:40:13 AM
Did any of you see Kilkenny's stats in SF v Final? He had 66 possessions in our game and 8 against Mayo!!! Holy f**k!!

Now I fully understand that we don't have a Keegan type player but Christ almighty that is shameful and a total reflection of all that was wrong in our gameplan. We aren't as well set up to match the Dubs than Mayo but feck me pink we should have done a whole lot better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on September 19, 2017, 08:42:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 18, 2017, 10:26:49 PM
why would teamtalkmag have mickey harte on talkin shite after the all ireland? the man has no relevance in the modern game. you think hed be ashamed to talk about football the way he has left tyrone.

Harte has not left Tyrone anywhere and currently he has Tyrone in a better place than when he took over...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 19, 2017, 08:42:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 18, 2017, 10:26:49 PM
why would teamtalkmag have mickey harte on talkin shite after the all ireland? the man has no relevance in the modern game. you think hed be ashamed to talk about football the way he has left tyrone.

Harte has not left Tyrone anywhere and currently he has Tyrone in a better place than when he took over...
really? Ulster champs 2001, div 1 league champs 2002 playing good football. Are we better than that now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 19, 2017, 09:49:43 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 19, 2017, 08:42:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 18, 2017, 10:26:49 PM
why would teamtalkmag have mickey harte on talkin shite after the all ireland? the man has no relevance in the modern game. you think hed be ashamed to talk about football the way he has left tyrone.

Harte has not left Tyrone anywhere and currently he has Tyrone in a better place than when he took over...
really? Ulster champs 2001, div 1 league champs 2002 playing good football. Are we better than that now?

Ah now - I'm not a major Harte supporter but you really do make and idiot of yourself sometimes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
Ok so tell me how Tyrone are any better off in 2016/17 than they were in 2001/02?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 19, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
Ok so tell me how Tyrone are any better off in 2016/17 than they were in 2001/02?

We have 3 Sams  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on September 19, 2017, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 19, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
Ok so tell me how Tyrone are any better off in 2016/17 than they were in 2001/02?

We have 3 Sams  :o

And a centre of excellence
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on September 19, 2017, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 19, 2017, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 19, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
Ok so tell me how Tyrone are any better off in 2016/17 than they were in 2001/02?

We have 3 Sams  :o

And a centre of excellence

Winning Ulsters at ease and tryin to win All Ireland against the greatest ever Gaa team! I dont think any team before Hartes era would get close to the current Dublin team!
Dont get me wrong i dont like his style but what you said is complete rubbish!
We are a top 4 in Ireland by a distance
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on September 19, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 19, 2017, 12:40:13 AM
Did any of you see Kilkenny's stats in SF v Final? He had 66 possessions in our game and 8 against Mayo!!! Holy f**k!!

Now I fully understand that we don't have a Keegan type player but Christ almighty that is shameful and a total reflection of all that was wrong in our gameplan. We aren't as well set up to match the Dubs than Mayo but feck me pink we should have done a whole lot better.

Petey Harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 19, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
Ok so tell me how Tyrone are any better off in 2016/17 than they were in 2001/02?

We have 3 Sams  :o
did we win Sam in 2016/17?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 19, 2017, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 19, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
Ok so tell me how Tyrone are any better off in 2016/17 than they were in 2001/02?

We have 3 Sams  :o
did we win Sam in 2016/17?

Is this a pre-requisite for "success" in Tyrone? If so, we went the first 110 years of the GAA without "success". Count yourself lucky you arent from Derry or Armagh. Its because of Harte we havent sunk to their depths.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 19, 2017, 03:32:04 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 19, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 19, 2017, 12:40:13 AM
Did any of you see Kilkenny's stats in SF v Final? He had 66 possessions in our game and 8 against Mayo!!! Holy f**k!!

Now I fully understand that we don't have a Keegan type player but Christ almighty that is shameful and a total reflection of all that was wrong in our gameplan. We aren't as well set up to match the Dubs than Mayo but feck me pink we should have done a whole lot better.

Petey Harte?

So you would have out Harte on Kilkenny to do a spoiling job? Kilkenny is the key cog in Dublin's transition from defence to attack. His stats alone indicate the difference in Tyrone's performance v Mayo's.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 19, 2017, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 19, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
Ok so tell me how Tyrone are any better off in 2016/17 than they were in 2001/02?

We have 3 Sams  :o
did we win Sam in 2016/17?

Did we win Sam pre-2001? How many AI semi finals did we appear in the 5 years preceding 2001? Are we likely to get put of the championship by a team like Sligo next year? We regularly hammer teams of that ilk these days. We are short of the very best teams at the minute, but that just might be our level for now. How are Armagh in comparison to where they were in 2001? What about Derry? They were similar levels to us then and are nowhere near us now. I'll take that for starters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
Lads yous are missing the point. We were very good on 2002 then went to new level under Harte for around 7 or 8 years and now we are back to 2002 level. Only now we are much less enjoyable to watch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on September 19, 2017, 04:33:54 PM
wise up, we were beaten by Sligo in 2002, we were beaten by the 3 in a row all-Ireland champions this year!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 04:37:57 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 19, 2017, 04:33:54 PM
wise up, we were beaten by Sligo in 2002, we were beaten by the 3 in a row all-Ireland champions this year!!
alright that's ok then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 04:43:18 PM
And lads why are yous comparing Tyrone to Armagh and Derry? I'm sure if they had won the amount of underage all Irelands we've won in the 10 or15 years they wouldn't be where they are either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 19, 2017, 05:11:35 PM
southtyronegael - Before I start, I am no longer a fan of Mickey Harte. I used to be, His legacy is untouchable, what he done for Tyrone will never be forgotten. I believe its time he went before he ruins what people remember what he brought to Tyrone

But

For a long time I agreed with what you said, we were on a similar wave, but nowadays your just plain annoying. Hartes going no were, I dont like it, but I have to accept it. Either shut up with your constant hatred or leave the thread. You offer nothing these days and I for one am sick hearing the same cr@p day in day out from you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 19, 2017, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 19, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 19, 2017, 12:40:13 AM
Did any of you see Kilkenny's stats in SF v Final? He had 66 possessions in our game and 8 against Mayo!!! Holy f**k!!

Now I fully understand that we don't have a Keegan type player but Christ almighty that is shameful and a total reflection of all that was wrong in our gameplan. We aren't as well set up to match the Dubs than Mayo but feck me pink we should have done a whole lot better.

Petey Harte?

Jesus Wept!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 19, 2017, 05:16:40 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 19, 2017, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 19, 2017, 04:33:54 PM
wise up, we were beaten by Sligo in 2002, we were beaten by the 3 in a row all-Ireland champions this year!!

beaten? we were humiliated and disgraced. The worst Ive seen
This continued argument about harte in or out is tedious as fcuk. However just to further annoy some people here's a fact. In 2002 the all Ireland champions of that year beat us by a point or two in a game we should have won had Richard Thornton goaled when he had the chance. In 2017 the all Ireland champions beat us a fair bit more comprehensively. So the obvious logic is that we were closer to winning the all Ireland at the end of 2002 than we are at the present minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 19, 2017, 05:20:14 PM
Also, to man mark Ciaran Kilkenny, Kieran mc Geary, Conor Meyer or Rory Brennan could all do a decent job. Have a bit of belief in the players we've got
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 19, 2017, 05:20:39 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 19, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 19, 2017, 12:40:13 AM
Did any of you see Kilkenny's stats in SF v Final? He had 66 possessions in our game and 8 against Mayo!!! Holy f**k!!

Now I fully understand that we don't have a Keegan type player but Christ almighty that is shameful and a total reflection of all that was wrong in our gameplan. We aren't as well set up to match the Dubs than Mayo but feck me pink we should have done a whole lot better.

Petey Harte?

Ach now ye serious!!!!!!!

Did P.Hampsey not mark M.Murphy out of the game v Donegal, got the better of him and scored a couple himself. Only man wouldve been fit for Kilkenny
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 06:59:04 PM
Club boi, if I'm annoying you its because I'm annoyed. And you shouldn't just'accept' things. Every man on here is entitled to have his say wether we agree with it or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 19, 2017, 07:15:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 04:43:18 PM
And lads why are yous comparing Tyrone to Armagh and Derry? I'm sure if they had won the amount of underage all Irelands we've won in the 10 or15 years they wouldn't be where they are either.

Both these teams in my view would be our biggest rivals and around 2001 (your era for comparison)we would have all been at a reasonably similar level. Yes, we've had good minor success since but only 1 U21 win. Armagh have won an All Ireland U21 championship too, in 2004 and an All Ireland minor championship in 2009. Derry have been in 3 minor finals since 2002 and won 1. Both consistently produce good players at school and college level so there is no shortage of talent in either county with both producing outstanding club teams at national level too. You are comparing Tyrone with 2001/2 and my point is that in comparison to our greatest local rivals we are significantly better. We can't compare ourselves to the 2003-08 era as we just don't have the players of that level currently. There's loads of reasons for that and Mickey may just be one of them. Your constant and incessant view that one man and one variable is the sole reason why Tyrone aren't winning All Irelands anymore is utterly blinkered and tiresome at this stage. Do think if Mickey leaves we will win the AI within the 3 year timeframe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 07:30:14 PM
Benny, I think it could take 3 years to make Tyrone competitive against the top teams never mind win an all Ireland. No matter who is manager. I'm not expecting any all Irelands, god knows we in Tyrone know how hard they are to win. I'd just like to be able to go to Tyrone games and watch our lads play football the way it should be played and see where it takes us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 19, 2017, 09:13:40 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 19, 2017, 05:11:35 PM
southtyronegael - Before I start, I am no longer a fan of Mickey Harte. I used to be, His legacy is untouchable, what he done for Tyrone will never be forgotten. I believe its time he went before he ruins what people remember what he brought to Tyrone

But

For a long time I agreed with what you said, we were on a similar wave, but nowadays your just plain annoying. Hartes going no were, I dont like it, but I have to accept it. Either shut up with your constant hatred or leave the thread. You offer nothing these days and I for one am sick hearing the same cr@p day in day out from you

And he s not even from Tyrone. He is a Fermanagh man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 19, 2017, 09:23:49 PM
Debate on Harte is irrelevant, he's here for next year anyway so what needs to be built on?

I do think a change in approach is needed, I think the we need to be able to trust our backs a bit more to do marking jobs, I think we need more size and aggression in the team and will need to leave more players up the field at all times.

I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone, he's probably beefed up a bit too much in the past couple of years, I think he could still have a role to play marking bigger and more static men but it should be horses for courses. McNamee is a guy who should be under pressure, he was superb in 2015 and very unlucky I felt to miss out on an all star, I thought he had a few iffy moments this year. McCrory fits into the system well but if we are to move away from it then I don't think he offers an awful lot as a destroyer or as a footballer, his whole game is really based on support play and he has his limitations.

The problem is who are the better options?

I know HP McGeary has been on the panel for a while and has never really been given a shot, even this year Cassidy overtook him as the bench option for corner back. From the little I've seen of him I don't think he's up to it but who knows.

Michael McKernan will almost certainly be on the panel next year but whether he's physically up to it, I'm not sure.

Cassidy is a player I really like, he looks like he has filled out in the past few years, he has bags of pace and aggression and is a quality footballer too. I'd like to see him get an extended run in the league next year at corner back.

Rory Brennan is a very sticky marker and we're stacked as it is in the half back line so I would have no real probelms with him being tried at corner back for a while.

I've seen Gary Wallace's name been mentioned but I think he's really just a solid club player and won't be any upgrade on what's there currently. Munroe would be a good option but he's put himself out of the picture as would Mullan but he's also dropped himself. Could Loughran do a job in the full back line?

Has Conor Clarke made any return to form this year? He certainly has the physicality to give us something extra, even moreso now Justy is gone but his mobility and injury problems were halting him.

Apart from that I can't really think of any options, Ruairi Kelly of Trillick might be worth a look. I think this is the area that we need the most new fresh ideas in.

Not really too many other players further forward that will offer us much more than we have at the minute, McAliskey will be a big boost for us in the forward line. Possibly Ruairi Sludden could be worth a look and give McCullagh and McHugh more of an opportunity but I think or forward line is what it is. McNulty is a player who doesn't deliver enough from play for me and he's quite static.

I'd like to see something like:

---------------------Morgan

Cassidy------------McCarron--------------Brennan

---------------------Cavanagh

McCann------------Hampsey--------------Meyler

--------------McClure------R Donnelly

Harte----------------Sludden--------------M Donnelly

------------Bradley----------------McAliskey

Cavanagh playing his normal role of midfield cum sweeper and Mattie given a free role to drop back and roam. Try and keep Harte and Sludden operating between the middle area at all times and leave the two inside lads as closes to goal as we can for longer stages.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 19, 2017, 09:40:41 PM
I think we need to talk to Munro again. Coney amongst others.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 19, 2017, 10:12:13 PM
Gary Wallace are you on drugs wouldnt make the Tyrone masters team.Conor Clarke hardly making the Omagh team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 19, 2017, 11:52:59 PM
Conor Clarke was lining out for Omagh reserves, unfortunately I can't see him in a Tyrone jersey again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 07:46:10 AM
Quote from: skeog on September 19, 2017, 10:12:13 PM
Gary Wallace are you on drugs wouldnt make the Tyrone masters team.Conor Clarke hardly making the Omagh team.

My apologies, I meant Danny Gorman - who I don't think is county standard either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on September 20, 2017, 08:26:21 AM
Would Frank Burns not be worth giving an extended run in the team in the Half Forward Line?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 08:58:46 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on September 20, 2017, 08:26:21 AM
Would Frank Burns not be worth giving an extended run in the team in the Half Forward Line?

I'd see him more as a half back. Felt he was very effective as a sweeper as a minor. Hope he gets more opportunities next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 20, 2017, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 06:59:04 PM
Club boi, if I'm annoying you its because I'm annoyed. And you shouldn't just'accept' things. Every man on here is entitled to have his say wether we agree with it or not.

This guy is a bore, I can't believe we are going to have to listen to 3 years of this from a Fermanagh man! Its noticeable that he was awful quiet when tyrone were going well.

I think munroe would come back, don't think they left on really bad terms, probably a bit stupid on his part as he was on the brink of break through
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on September 20, 2017, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 20, 2017, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 06:59:04 PM
Club boi, if I'm annoying you its because I'm annoyed. And you shouldn't just'accept' things. Every man on here is entitled to have his say wether we agree with it or not.

This guy is a bore, I can't believe we are going to have to listen to 3 years of this from a Fermanagh man! Its noticeable that he was awful quiet when tyrone were going well.

I think munroe would come back, don't think they left on really bad terms, probably a bit stupid on his part as he was on the brink of break through

Munroe rumored to be on his way to Oz next season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on September 20, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
Anybody See Niall Morgan playing outfield on Saturday gave young Munroe his fill of it i would say.. Have seen nobody in any championship game so far that i would consider county football material.... hopefully somebody jumps out in the next few games.... possibly young ONeill from Ardboe or McLaughlin(ithink thats his name) from Omagh but they are both half backs...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 20, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on September 20, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
Anybody See Niall Morgan playing outfield on Saturday gave young Munroe his fill of it i would say.. Have seen nobody in any championship game so far that i would consider county football material.... hopefully somebody jumps out in the next few games.... possibly young ONeill from Ardboe or McLaughlin(ithink thats his name) from Omagh but they are both half backs...

Conditions haven't been the best in fairness in few games I have saw. Ronan Mc Hugh from Aghyaran most impressive but opposition was questionable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on September 20, 2017, 01:25:08 PM
I heard Colm Cavanagh is being dropped off the panel due to Sean going on The Sunday Game, apparently this was like a knife through the heart of the fuhrer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seafoid on September 20, 2017, 02:08:36 PM
The RTE thing is irrational. As long as Mickey was winning maybe people could buy into it. And now ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 20, 2017, 05:32:47 PM
Why does anybody inside Tyrone care? Personally i couldnt give F !!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 20, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 19, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
Lads yous are missing the point. We were very good on 2002 then went to new level under Harte for around 7 or 8 years and now we are back to 2002 level. Only now we are much less enjoyable to watch.

Go to your own county thread Mr Fermanagh man!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 20, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
Kieran Shannon saying Tyrone  (and other Ulster teams) were naive to persist with mass defence: http://amp.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/can-anyone-catch-the-mighty-dublin-459327.html

Hopefully Mickey is having a rethink. I wouldn't expect him to come out and say publicly that he got the system wrong, but I would hope that he will make real changes come the new year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on September 21, 2017, 09:04:01 AM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 20, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
Kieran Shannon saying Tyrone  (and other Ulster teams) were naive to persist with mass defence: http://amp.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/can-anyone-catch-the-mighty-dublin-459327.html

Hopefully Mickey is having a rethink. I wouldn't expect him to come out and say publicly that he got the system wrong, but I would hope that he will make real changes come the new year.

Ah well if Kieran Shannon said it...............
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on September 21, 2017, 09:57:14 AM
This whole fixture mess is embarrassing.
And they wonder why there's a high level of player drop out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on September 21, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Kerry - Donaghy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on September 22, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: toby47 on September 21, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Kerry - Donaghy

Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Derry - Carlos McWilliams
Down - Connaire Harrison
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 22, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 22, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: toby47 on September 21, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Kerry - Donaghy

Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Derry - Carlos McWilliams
Down - Connaire Harrison

Harrison would skin McCarron every time and I've never seen McWilliams ever play full forward for derry or even for his club.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 22, 2017, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 22, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 22, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: toby47 on September 21, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Kerry - Donaghy

Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Derry - Carlos McWilliams
Down - Connaire Harrison

Harrison would skin McCarron every time and I've never seen McWilliams ever play full forward for derry or even for his club.
Well you haven't lived. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on September 22, 2017, 01:28:42 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 22, 2017, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 22, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: Legoman5 on September 22, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: toby47 on September 21, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Kerry - Donaghy

Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Derry - Carlos McWilliams
Down - Connaire Harrison

Harrison would skin McCarron every time and I've never seen McWilliams ever play full forward for derry or even for his club.
Well you haven't lived.

Can back lenny up. The closest you will have seen Carlos Playing full forward for Derry is wearing number 15 playing a sweeping role. If people are calling him Derry's full forward they haven't a clue or else have made a mistake.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 22, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Right so hang on, O'Gara yes I'll give you that 1 but was it his 1st start of the year?? Whats happens if he doesnt start?? Mc Carron benched??

Donegal "May decide" to move Murphy ha ha

Jack McCarron was badly found out when Cahmpionship came around. Didint touch leather after the league

And as for -

Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Derry - Carlos McWilliams
Down - Connaire Harrison

Laughable. Any of our defenders could mark these 3rd grade footballers in Cahmpionship football

Your point is invalid and thin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 22, 2017, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 22, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Right so hang on, O'Gara yes I'll give you that 1 but was it his 1st start of the year?? Whats happens if he doesnt start?? Mc Carron benched??

Donegal "May decide" to move Murphy ha ha

Jack McCarron was badly found out when Cahmpionship came around. Didint touch leather after the league

And as for -

Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Derry - Carlos McWilliams
Down - Connaire Harrison

Laughable. Any of our defenders could mark these 3rd grade footballers in Cahmpionship football

Your point is invalid and thin

You asked what counties play big static men on the edge of the square, I've given you a few examples there off the top of my head if you want more I can give you an endless list. In the past year I think you will find that the following will have played full forward for their counties:

Kerry - Donaghy
Monaghan - McCarron
Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Armagh - Ethan Rafferty
Derry - Mark Lynch, Emmet McGuckin
Dublin - Eoghan O'Gara
Meath - Mickey Newman
Laois - Donie Kingston
Sligo - Pat Hughes
Cavan - Michael Argue
Cork - Peter Kelleher
Galway - Sean Armstrong
Dublin - Eoghan O'Gara
Mayo - Aidan O'Shea, Danny Kirby
Donegal - Hugh McFadden


So you are talking out of your hole, it matters not a jot if the player was found out or not, you claimed teams don't play big static men on the edge of the square - they do, ergo McCarron can still have a role to play despite it being obvious his legs are gone. I appreciate there might be too much logic there for you to comprehend though.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 23, 2017, 06:40:54 AM
what role has mccarron to play if his legs are gone. please explain.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 23, 2017, 06:58:46 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 23, 2017, 06:40:54 AM
what role has mccarron to play if his legs are gone. please explain.

His logic makes no sense whatsoever. His legs have gone so he can't mark players with speed. He's not particularly tall and isn't brilliant in the air so he's not really suited to marking very tall players like donaghy or o'shea but bomber still wants him on the team instead of trying to develop a younger player. He'll come back on now saying we're just too stupid to understand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 23, 2017, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 23, 2017, 06:40:54 AM
what role has mccarron to play if his legs are gone. please explain.

Clearly you seem to have comprehensions problems. I'll use bullet points this time as mild activity seems to put too much strain on your brain:


I really can't make it much more simpler than that for you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 23, 2017, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 23, 2017, 06:58:46 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 23, 2017, 06:40:54 AM
what role has mccarron to play if his legs are gone. please explain.

His logic makes no sense whatsoever. His legs have gone so he can't mark players with speed. He's not particularly tall and isn't brilliant in the air so he's not really suited to marking very tall players like donaghy or o'shea but bomber still wants him on the team instead of trying to develop a younger player. He'll come back on now saying we're just too stupid to understand.

My logic makes sense, McCarron has handled guys like Kieran Hughes, Murphy, McGuckin etc with little bother in previous years. So he has shown he is suited to marking those type of players.

I see you are still maintaining your bitter fixation with Tyrone GAA matters, very strange behaviour.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 23, 2017, 10:10:36 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 22, 2017, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 22, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Right so hang on, O'Gara yes I'll give you that 1 but was it his 1st start of the year?? Whats happens if he doesnt start?? Mc Carron benched??

Donegal "May decide" to move Murphy ha ha

Jack McCarron was badly found out when Cahmpionship came around. Didint touch leather after the league

And as for -

Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Derry - Carlos McWilliams
Down - Connaire Harrison

Laughable. Any of our defenders could mark these 3rd grade footballers in Cahmpionship football

Your point is invalid and thin

You asked what counties play big static men on the edge of the square, I've given you a few examples there off the top of my head if you want more I can give you an endless list. In the past year I think you will find that the following will have played full forward for their counties:

Kerry - Donaghy
Monaghan - McCarron
Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Armagh - Ethan Rafferty
Derry - Mark Lynch, Emmet McGuckin
Dublin - Eoghan O'Gara
Meath - Mickey Newman
Laois - Donie Kingston
Sligo - Pat Hughes
Cavan - Michael Argue
Cork - Peter Kelleher
Galway - Sean Armstrong
Dublin - Eoghan O'Gara
Mayo - Aidan O'Shea, Danny Kirby
Donegal - Hugh McFadden


So you are talking out of your hole, it matters not a jot if the player was found out or not, you claimed teams don't play big static men on the edge of the square - they do, ergo McCarron can still have a role to play despite it being obvious his legs are gone. I appreciate there might be too much logic there for you to comprehend though.

Apart from the 2 x O'Gara's from Dublin, and possibly Donaghy, how many others of that list will be challenging for honours in Croke Park??

And don't say O'Shea, never seen him in full Forward once this year, in fact he played more in full back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 23, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
Big static men -  Sean Armstrong   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 23, 2017, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 23, 2017, 10:10:36 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 22, 2017, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 22, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 21, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 20, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 20, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
Il Bomber Destro - You slate Mc Carron -

"I thought defensively we were hugely exposed against Dublin - McNamee, McCrory and McCarron in particular. McCarron looks like his legs are gone"

An then you name him in your team!!!!!!!! Strange

Hardly strange when there's little better options. I also concluded that we need to be wiser in who we match him up against and signed it off with a horses for courses analogy. Try paying more attention next time around.

You wrote that much I got bored. But you did state Mc Carron should -

"marking bigger and more static men"

How many Countys now line out with big non mobile full forwards you want him to mark??

Well Dublin started one on the edge of the square last weekend. Donegal may decide to move Murphy back in there this year. Monaghan use Jack McCarron there, he picked up Aidan O'Shea inside last year - so to answer your question - quite a few.

Right so hang on, O'Gara yes I'll give you that 1 but was it his 1st start of the year?? Whats happens if he doesnt start?? Mc Carron benched??

Donegal "May decide" to move Murphy ha ha

Jack McCarron was badly found out when Cahmpionship came around. Didint touch leather after the league

And as for -

Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Derry - Carlos McWilliams
Down - Connaire Harrison

Laughable. Any of our defenders could mark these 3rd grade footballers in Cahmpionship football

Your point is invalid and thin

You asked what counties play big static men on the edge of the square, I've given you a few examples there off the top of my head if you want more I can give you an endless list. In the past year I think you will find that the following will have played full forward for their counties:

Kerry - Donaghy
Monaghan - McCarron
Fermanagh - Sean Quigley
Armagh - Ethan Rafferty
Derry - Mark Lynch, Emmet McGuckin
Dublin - Eoghan O'Gara
Meath - Mickey Newman
Laois - Donie Kingston
Sligo - Pat Hughes
Cavan - Michael Argue
Cork - Peter Kelleher
Galway - Sean Armstrong
Dublin - Eoghan O'Gara
Mayo - Aidan O'Shea, Danny Kirby
Donegal - Hugh McFadden


So you are talking out of your hole, it matters not a jot if the player was found out or not, you claimed teams don't play big static men on the edge of the square - they do, ergo McCarron can still have a role to play despite it being obvious his legs are gone. I appreciate there might be too much logic there for you to comprehend though.

Apart from the 2 x O'Gara's from Dublin, and possibly Donaghy, how many others of that list will be challenging for honours in Croke Park??

And don't say O'Shea, never seen him in full Forward once this year, in fact he played more in full back

How many counties will be challenging for honours at Croke Park?

At the moment? 3, 4 at a push.

Out of those counties how many played a big static player at full forward during the year? 2.

If this is the case you're making, it's not one bit convincing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 23, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 23, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
Big static men -  Sean Armstrong   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Exactly, lol, but sure bomber is an expert and the rest of us are all stupid. Has he evr seen some of these boys playing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 23, 2017, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 23, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 23, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
Big static men -  Sean Armstrong   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Exactly, lol, but sure bomber is an expert and the rest of us are all stupid. Has he evr seen some of these boys playing?

You certainly seem to be somewhat dim either as you keep coming onto another's county's forum.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 24, 2017, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 23, 2017, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 23, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 23, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
Big static men -  Sean Armstrong   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Exactly, lol, but sure bomber is an expert and the rest of us are all stupid. Has he evr seen some of these boys playing?

You certainly seem to be somewhat dim either as you keep coming onto another's county's forum.

Lenny is obsessed with all things Tyrone. I think I can safely say, that I have never and will never even open a Derry county team thread never mind post on it. I find it odd that people like Lenny so regularly read and post on this thread. Each to their own I suppose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on September 26, 2017, 07:43:30 AM
I don't know if this lad has been mentioned on this thread or not but young McKernan from Coalisland would be streets ahead of Aidan McRory on his performance alone last night. Although Lee Brennan weighed in with some fine scores the young 'island defender made life very difficult for him. Hope to see both on the county starting line up next year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on September 26, 2017, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on September 26, 2017, 07:43:30 AM
I don't know if this lad has been mentioned on this thread or not but young McKernan from Coalisland would be streets ahead of Aidan McRory on his performance alone last night. Although Lee Brennan weighed in with some fine scores the young 'island defender made life very difficult for him. Hope to see both on the county starting line up next year

McKernan marked him very well in drawn game too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 27, 2017, 11:05:09 PM
if mccarron mccrory and mcnamee were any good tyrone wouldnt need two sweepers. mark bradley would have support and tyrone might have a midfield to compete. logic? dont need too many bullet points for that. note to mickey taker and mr ed play 3 forwards didnt do mayo any harm. what tyrone need is fast hard defenders who can man mark on their own and 3 half backs who can actually tackle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 28, 2017, 07:23:11 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 27, 2017, 11:05:09 PM
what tyrone need is fast hard defenders who can man mark on their own and 3 half backs who can actually tackle.

Who are these three fast hard defenders?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on September 28, 2017, 08:01:26 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 27, 2017, 11:05:09 PM
if mccarron mccrory and mcnamee were any good tyrone wouldnt need two sweepers. mark bradley would have support and tyrone might have a midfield to compete. logic? dont need too many bullet points for that. note to mickey taker and mr ed play 3 forwards didnt do mayo any harm. what tyrone need is fast hard defenders who can man mark on their own and 3 half backs who can actually tackle.

Mayo haven't won anything in years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 28, 2017, 09:24:08 AM
Would McKernan and McLaughlin be physically strong enough to take on Brogan, Kilkenny, McManamon, Flynn or Connolly?
It is one thing being able to hold a small man like Brennan or Bradley to a couple of scores but there are not too many small InterCounty forwards out there apart from our own.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on September 28, 2017, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 28, 2017, 09:24:08 AM
Would McKernan and McLaughlin be physically strong enough to take on Brogan, Kilkenny, McManamon, Flynn or Connolly?
It is one thing being able to hold a small man like Brennan or Bradley to a couple of scores but there are not too many small InterCounty forwards out there apart from our own.

And the one who's about to become footballer of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 28, 2017, 12:05:22 PM
We have a good enough mix size wise of defenders. I think its more to do with gettin away from zonal marking and give each player responsibly to mark his man and extra coaching In how to tackle cleanly and aggressively like the Dublin and mayo players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 28, 2017, 09:07:18 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 28, 2017, 08:01:26 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 27, 2017, 11:05:09 PM
if mccarron mccrory and mcnamee were any good tyrone wouldnt need two sweepers. mark bradley would have support and tyrone might have a midfield to compete. logic? dont need too many bullet points for that. note to mickey taker and mr ed play 3 forwards didnt do mayo any harm. what tyrone need is fast hard defenders who can man mark on their own and 3 half backs who can actually tackle.

Mayo haven't won anything in years.

No, maybe not, but they've come a hell of a lot closer than we have to the top prize in the last 10 years (almost) -- Darragh Ó Sé hasn't named Mayo as the 2nd best team in Ireland of the last 30 years for no reason (Kerry or ourselves notwithstanding).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 10:10:17 AM
Anyone hearing rumours of a former player being added to the backroom team???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on September 29, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 28, 2017, 09:07:18 PM


Mayo haven't won anything in years.

No, maybe not, but they've come a hell of a lot closer than we have to the top prize in the last 10 years (almost) -- Darragh Ó Sé hasn't named Mayo as the 2nd best team in Ireland of the last 30 years for no reason (Kerry or ourselves notwithstanding).
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Mayo would happily swap their last 30 years with Tyrone's. Maybe even Armagh's.

If Ó Sé think's that's a compliment he's a fool. He is a fool for feeling the need to say something pointless anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 29, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 10:10:17 AM
Anyone hearing rumours of a former player being added to the backroom team???
yeah mark Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 29, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 10:10:17 AM
Anyone hearing rumours of a former player being added to the backroom team???
yeah mark Harte.

No, not him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 29, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 29, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 10:10:17 AM
Anyone hearing rumours of a former player being added to the backroom team???
yeah mark Harte.

No, not him.
any names? I thought Harte was told to
Make the backroom team smaller not bigger.is Devlin gettin the road?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on September 29, 2017, 01:05:18 PM
Enda McGinlay
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 29, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 29, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 29, 2017, 10:10:17 AM
Anyone hearing rumours of a former player being added to the backroom team???
yeah mark Harte.

No, not him.
any names? I thought Harte was told to
Make the backroom team smaller not bigger.is Devlin gettin the road?

I've already said too much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 29, 2017, 02:21:59 PM
Enda is a much respected individual who turned down a few opportunities at club level as he didnt want to be involved against E.C.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 29, 2017, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 29, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 28, 2017, 09:07:18 PM
Quote

Mayo haven't won anything in years.

No, maybe not, but they've come a hell of a lot closer than we have to the top prize in the last 10 years (almost) -- Darragh Ó Sé hasn't named Mayo as the 2nd best team in Ireland of the last 30 years for no reason (Kerry or ourselves notwithstanding).

Mayo would happily swap their last 30 years with Tyrone's. Maybe even Armagh's.

If Ó Sé think's that's a compliment he's a fool. He is a fool for feeling the need to say something pointless anyway.

Maybe they would, but that's beside the point, which is that they have been better placed than ourselves over the last 7 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 29, 2017, 08:05:58 PM
Enda was on off the ball a few weeks ago and he was quite scathing about the Tyrone tactics. He insisted that Tyrone needed a whole new approach to the game. It'll be interesting to see if he does become involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 29, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
Certainly drastic change is needed as this year was boring to watch and
Ended with that abomination in Croke park.  Tyrone supporters deserve better.  has the horse departed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on September 29, 2017, 09:28:07 PM
if mccarron mccrory and mcnamee were any good tyrone wouldnt need two sweepers. mark bradley would have support and tyrone might have a midfield to compete. logic? dont need too many bullet points for that. note to mickey taker and mr ed play 3 forwards didnt do mayo any harm. what tyrone need is fast hard defenders who can man mark on their own and 3 half backs who can actually tackle.

Thank god somebody said it. Sparky roasted mccrory and mccarron in last year's championship. The only reason for a blanket defence is that the defenders arent good enough.
At least mckernan is a bit of a gyp ON the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 29, 2017, 11:41:56 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 29, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
Certainly drastic change is needed as this year was boring to watch and
Ended with that abomination in Croke park.  Tyrone supporters deserve better.  has the horse departed?

No point closing the stable door then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on September 30, 2017, 07:56:11 AM
tyrones first league game this year v roscommon. tyrone abandoned the double sweeper here was the new dawn for 24 minutes. roscommon tore tyrone apart through the middle (even when the greatest sweeper in the history of tyrone football under harte big colm was in situ) scored one goal could have had 5 but for mickey o neill.
the tyrone management scared panicked reverted to type couldnt afford to get beat by the rossies.
2 man sweeper in place tyrone won comfortably. therein was our season right there.
a defensive system bar none (but only against poor teams) tyrone dont give fouls away we were told the greatest ever defence we were told except on the 27th august.
great defensive systems dont contain great defenders.
the facts are there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on September 30, 2017, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2017, 12:05:22 PM
We have a good enough mix size wise of defenders. I think its more to do with gettin away from zonal marking and give each player responsibly to mark his man and extra coaching In how to tackle cleanly and aggressively like the Dublin and mayo players.

Who are the three fast, hard defenders you are referring to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 30, 2017, 11:02:31 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 30, 2017, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2017, 12:05:22 PM
We have a good enough mix size wise of defenders. I think its more to do with gettin away from zonal marking and give each player responsibly to mark his man and extra coaching In how to tackle cleanly and aggressively like the Dublin and mayo players.

Who are the three fast, hard defenders you are referring to.
read my post asshole. i never mentioned 3 hard fast defenders.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on September 30, 2017, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 30, 2017, 07:56:11 AM
tyrones first league game this year v roscommon. tyrone abandoned the double sweeper here was the new dawn for 24 minutes. roscommon tore tyrone apart through the middle (even when the greatest sweeper in the history of tyrone football under harte big colm was in situ) scored one goal could have had 5 but for mickey o neill.
the tyrone management scared panicked reverted to type couldnt afford to get beat by the rossies.
2 man sweeper in place tyrone won comfortably. therein was our season right there.
a defensive system bar none (but only against poor teams) tyrone dont give fouls away we were told the greatest ever defence we were told except on the 27th august.
great defensive systems dont contain great defenders.
the facts are there.

Good point, forgot about that Rossies' game.

It's a bit of a conundrum really.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 01, 2017, 06:55:55 AM
Quote from: randomusername on September 30, 2017, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on September 30, 2017, 07:56:11 AM
tyrones first league game this year v roscommon. tyrone abandoned the double sweeper here was the new dawn for 24 minutes. roscommon tore tyrone apart through the middle (even when the greatest sweeper in the history of tyrone football under harte big colm was in situ) scored one goal could have had 5 but for mickey o neill.
the tyrone management scared panicked reverted to type couldnt afford to get beat by the rossies.
2 man sweeper in place tyrone won comfortably. therein was our season right there.
a defensive system bar none (but only against poor teams) tyrone dont give fouls away we were told the greatest ever defence we were told except on the 27th august.
great defensive systems dont contain great defenders.
the facts are there.

Good point, forgot about that Rossies' game.

It's a bit of a conundrum really.

We tried a less defensive approach in first halves v Kerry and Donegal which where disasters too. Maybe a manager who had more than one year on his contract may have persisted but I suppose Mickey didn't have time to stick with it and returned to type.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 02, 2017, 03:33:20 PM
As the club championship draws to a close, how do we think this bodes for the county team next year:

In terms of defenders who could potentially step up, Ciaran McLaughlin, Ruairi Kelly and Michael McKernan spring to mind, all are fast sticky markers but may require a year or so on the panel to physically get to the level required. I also think Hugh Pat McGeary deserves more of a chance that he has got to date.

Ronan McHugh ran riot in Ahyaran's first game then seemed to struggle from play in their next two games. Harry Loughran has been shooting the lights out for the Moy (in League as well as Championship), outscoring big Sean, he will be after more game time next year. Is there anyone from Derrylauglan who might be worth taking a look at?

What about young Darcy from Tattyreagh? He outshone Cathal McShane v Owen rose the other night.

Anyone think any of Errigal's young guns (Kavanagh, Mcdonnell or Kelly) are county standard yet?

Conor O'Donnell of Omagh has probably been the standout forward thus far but he is probably a bit old to come in for Tyrone at this stage. Conan Grugan has been scoring heavily for Omagh and playing a bit further forward than his usual midfield role, he could be worth another look but Mickey's stubborness will probably dictate otherwise.

In other news I have been hugley impressed with Frank burns and think he should definitely see more game time next year, hopefully at wing forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 02, 2017, 03:51:35 PM
Brendan Burns?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 02, 2017, 03:54:53 PM
Brendan Burns never gave Bradley, PJ Lavery and Harte a kick hardly. Definitely deserves a chance. HP McGeary also shone for Pomeroy in their championship run. Is John Loughran worth a chance?
McLaughlin and O'Donnell definitely worth a look at too... McLaughlin destroyed wonderkid DD Mulgrew? O'Donnell only 30 odd? Age just a number!!
I'd safely say Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan a better option than Paudy McNulty/McShane
Not sure on too many other to be honest,no better than whats already there.No out and out scorers in fairness  :-\ :-\ :-\

So who Mickey taking into backroom team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 02, 2017, 04:01:35 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 02, 2017, 03:54:53 PM
Brendan Burns never gave Bradley, PJ Lavery and Harte a kick hardly. Definitely deserves a chance. HP McGeary also shone for Pomeroy in their championship run. Is John Loughran worth a chance?
McLaughlin and O'Donnell definitely worth a look at too... McLaughlin destroyed wonderkid DD Mulgrew? O'Donnell only 30 odd? Age just a number!!
I'd safely say Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan a better option than Paudy McNulty/McShane
Not sure on too many other to be honest,no better than whats already there.No out and out scorers in fairness  :-\ :-\ :-\

So who Mickey taking into backroom team?

Apologies, don't know how i missed out Brendan Burns. Along with Frank and O'Donnell he's been the standout player in the Championship so far for me.

At 29/30 I agree O'Donnell is not old but I just mean that it would be unusual for a player to start out his county career at this age. Would be great to see if he did though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on October 02, 2017, 05:38:40 PM
A big stringy forward is what Mickeys after surely Kyle Coney would be worth another shot
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 02, 2017, 05:46:03 PM
Quote from: wee scully on October 02, 2017, 05:38:40 PM
A big stringy forward is what Mickeys after surely Kyle Coney would be worth another shot

Ah jaysus lads this ship has sailed, he's never coming back, move on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 06:51:59 PM
from what ive seen i would say mc loughlin, mc kernan, hp mc geery, frank burns, brendan burns, shea mc guigan, conan grugan, conor o donnell, munroe all should be getting game time for tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 02, 2017, 07:47:46 PM
STG vast majority have been involved either didnt cut it or they had other things to do with their lives which doesnt involve Senior County Football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
skeog, you say 'involved' does that mean playing an odd mc kenna cup game or what? cause i dont remember too many of the lads ive named playin meaningful games for tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 03, 2017, 08:01:16 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
skeog, you say 'involved' does that mean playing an odd mc kenna cup game or what? cause i dont remember too many of the lads ive named playin meaningful games for tyrone.

I'm pretty sure there's more goes on in the preparation of teams than just the games you see.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on October 03, 2017, 08:23:52 AM
To be fair til kyle he had a great league campaign for the Rossa finishing top scorer for them this year again and with ardboe getting put out in the first round of the championship we couldn't really judge Kyle on that performance
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 03, 2017, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 02, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
skeog, you say 'involved' does that mean playing an odd mc kenna cup game or what? cause i dont remember too many of the lads ive named playin meaningful games for tyrone.

Aye sure start 5 or 6 of them in the ulster championship first round for the craic!

Would definitely give Conor O'Donnell another shot but pointless unless he changes the system a bit.

Reading extract from Gooch's book last night, God we had it good back then, 1-15 or maybe 1 to 26 absolute terriers on the pitch went out to get Sam. Oh to have a Ricey mc menamin now. Gooch obviously still raging throwing in sly digs and then trying compliment them. Gooch should have stayed away from Books, TV and money spinning dinners as he as gonnne from a mysterious enigma to a wee ginger p***k!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 03, 2017, 10:20:46 AM
Mickey said in a recent interview that the league cannot be used for playing rookies.So in effect the O Fiach and Mc Kenna cup is the only chance for newcomers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on October 03, 2017, 11:18:24 PM
Story from Garvaghey tonight is Peter Donnelly has left the setup over issues surrounding his wages. Rumoured to be for Mayo but you would imagine a queue of counties would take him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 04, 2017, 01:52:14 AM
Tyrone wouldn't be paying backroom team surely? Is this what Club Tyrone is funding?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 04, 2017, 04:04:28 AM
Not many counties could afford him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 04, 2017, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 04, 2017, 01:52:14 AM
Tyrone wouldn't be paying backroom team surely? Is this what Club Tyrone is funding?

You want him to be a full time strength and conditioning coach for the county for all the teams for free? How will he support himself? If Tyrone have any ambitions of doing anything they will have to put some money into this area.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
Not a hope we will let Peter Donnelly go....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on October 04, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Any word on management for under 20s?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 04, 2017, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 03, 2017, 11:18:24 PM
Story from Garvaghey tonight is Peter Donnelly has left the setup over issues surrounding his wages. Rumoured to be for Mayo but you would imagine a queue of counties would take him.

Nonsense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 04, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
I see Peter is a guest speaker at a Down seminar on coaching with Stephen Poacher at the end of the month.Employers might not be happy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 04, 2017, 09:31:40 AM
Well if peter leaves then we may forget about it. He was the only man in Tyrone setup worth keeping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 04, 2017, 10:21:12 AM
Fergal Logan stepped down last night too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 04, 2017, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 04, 2017, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 04, 2017, 01:52:14 AM
Tyrone wouldn't be paying backroom team surely? Is this what Club Tyrone is funding?

You want him to be a full time strength and conditioning coach for the county for all the teams for free? How will he support himself? If Tyrone have any ambitions of doing anything they will have to put some money into this area.

Sorry didn't realize he was full time.  As for Tyrone and having ambitions of doing anything, believe me strength and conditioning is not the problem and a waste of funds!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
Club will be contacted to nominate management for the U-17 and the U-20 roles.... i wonder why Clubs never got too discuss 3 year contract for Mickey Harte......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 04, 2017, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 04, 2017, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 04, 2017, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 04, 2017, 01:52:14 AM
Tyrone wouldn't be paying backroom team surely? Is this what Club Tyrone is funding?

You want him to be a full time strength and conditioning coach for the county for all the teams for free? How will he support himself? If Tyrone have any ambitions of doing anything they will have to put some money into this area.

Sorry didn't realize he was full time.  As for Tyrone and having ambitions of doing anything, believe me strength and conditioning is not the problem and a waste of funds!!!

Hardly a waste of funds.  Peter is an employee of the county the same way he was an employee at Cavan during their successful spell through the minors and u21s.  In that role he is responsible for the adult county squads and I believe he also works with the Tyrone colleges (happy to be corrected on that last point).  Peter has a salary like anyone else has but his job isn't 9-5.  Worth the investment if Tyrone want to progress
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 04, 2017, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
Club will be contacted to nominate management for the U-17 and the U-20 roles.... i wonder why Clubs never got too discuss 3 year contract for Mickey Harte......

Clubs were contacted re Mickey Harte. It was a week after the Ulster Final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 04, 2017, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
Club will be contacted to nominate management for the U-17 and the U-20 roles.... i wonder why Clubs never got too discuss 3 year contract for Mickey Harte......

Clubs were contacted re Mickey Harte. It was a week after the Ulster Final.

Mickey Harte yeah or neah no details nothing..... we voted on a one year contract....the county board agreed 3 years the Monday night after we voted..... one club delegate asked for the meeting to be delayed a week and was told he no right to ask for this..... we voted to give him one year....3 years no!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 04, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Do these clowns actually think Mickey isn't getting paid!!!??? Also, strong rumours that he is adding his son to the backroom team - it has to be a wind up though!!!!
Peter Donnelly will be going nowhere - He is the only man in the current setup worth keeping!
Will the U17 management team step up to U20's? Probably some other development coach with all the certificates will get the u17 role?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 04, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Do these clowns actually think Mickey isn't getting paid!!!??? Also, strong rumours that he is adding his son to the backroom team - it has to be a wind up though!!!!
Peter Donnelly will be going nowhere - He is the only man in the current setup worth keeping!
Will the U17 management team step up to U20's? Probably some other development coach with all the certificates will get the u17 role?

Is Mark not with Ballinderry?? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on October 04, 2017, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 04, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Do these clowns actually think Mickey isn't getting paid!!!??? Also, strong rumours that he is adding his son to the backroom team - it has to be a wind up though!!!!
Peter Donnelly will be going nowhere - He is the only man in the current setup worth keeping!
Will the U17 management team step up to U20's? Probably some other development coach with all the certificates will get the u17 role?

Is Mark not with Ballinderry??

think he was to be there next year too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 04, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
He was there along with Aidan O'Donnell. Is he staying? Maybe he was? Maybe he's not now? Hope he is!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 04, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
He was there along with Aidan O'Donnell. Is he staying? Maybe he was? Maybe he's not now? Hope he is!

He will be with Tyrone before the next 3 years is up in my opinion....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on October 04, 2017, 03:28:42 PM
He'll be with Tyrone within the next 3 weeks,never mind 3 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 03:29:28 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on October 04, 2017, 03:28:42 PM
He'll be with Tyrone within the next 3 weeks,never mind 3 years.

That would make the whole thing a Cartel....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 04, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
So anyway, which GAA jobs is it acceptable to be paid for?
S & C coach?
Physio?
Defence coach?
Manager?
Secretary?
Does it depend on the personality or on the amount of time they spend doing it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 04, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
So anyway, which GAA jobs is it acceptable to be paid for?
S & C coach?
Physio?
Defence coach?
Manager?
Secretary?
Does it depend on the personality or on the amount of time they spend doing it?

Assistant  manager would need  few schillings?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 04, 2017, 05:09:04 PM
Kit Man is a job that probably enrails the most manual work.MM must be doing it for 20yrs at least top man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 04, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 04, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
So anyway, which GAA jobs is it acceptable to be paid for?
S & C coach?
Physio?
Defence coach?
Manager?
Secretary?
Does it depend on the personality or on the amount of time they spend doing it?

Video Analysis is worth a few quid these days.
GPS Interpretation too, although that may be covered under the realm of S/C coach.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on October 04, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Peter Donnelly wanted a 30% pay increase taking his wage to around £42,000.

How could this be feasible for an amateur organisation?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on October 04, 2017, 06:22:38 PM
Whatever the figure is it's still relative to the job

Unsociable hours for the majority of it

Men of his calibre are not easy got and therefore won't be easy paid

You pay for what ye get
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on October 04, 2017, 06:48:12 PM
So is Donnelly gone or not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 04, 2017, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on October 04, 2017, 06:48:12 PM
So is Donnelly gone or not?

Seemingly he is still there, the people in the big house on the hill have told Donnelly they will review it and get back to him...the cake will only cut in so many reasonable size slices people....Garvaghy is a serious drain on funds as well.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 04, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 04, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 04, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
So anyway, which GAA jobs is it acceptable to be paid for?
S & C coach?
Physio?
Defence coach?
Manager?
Secretary?
Does it depend on the personality or on the amount of time they spend doing it?

Video Analysis is worth a few quid these days.
GPS Interpretation too, although that may be covered under the realm of S/C coach.

Just ask Coalisland!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 04, 2017, 07:27:00 PM
42 grand were did i go wrong.Surely his wages are between him and the CB though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on October 04, 2017, 09:30:56 PM
if peter donnelly is on 42 whats  the mickey taker on. dont know how anybody would suggest that garvaghey would be a serious drain on finances, come on how would you know, has anyone ever seen any figures on how much it takes. it cant cost that much, sure theres no cooker gym or warm water in the showers ,cant cost that much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on October 04, 2017, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 04, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Peter Donnelly wanted a 30% pay increase taking his wage to around £42,000.

How could this be feasible for an amateur organisation?

Donnelly is a bargain for 42k. The man works long hours, covers all aspects of Tyrone GAA coaching and is well worth the money in my opinion.

There are plenty of coaches all over the country getting more than that and they not even involved with a top 4 team...

How much do you think Bryan Cullen gets at Dublin GAA and he covers S&C only...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on October 04, 2017, 10:50:06 PM
Is this before tax? In a recent podcast Donnelly said all he does is the warm ups  with tyrone and then  the horse and mickey take the training.he  obviously does  the weights but im sure a  40 grand + salary job would have plenty of interested parties. Donnelly been doing work in cavan and monaghan this year with clubs as well schools so he not short a £ or 2.did he apply for this post in first place, surely salary was attached to the  job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 04, 2017, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 04, 2017, 10:50:06 PM
Is this before tax? In a recent podcast Donnelly said all he does is the warm ups  with tyrone and then  the horse and mickey take the training.he  obviously does  the weights but im sure a  40 grand + salary job would have plenty of interested parties. Donnelly been doing work in cavan and monaghan this year with clubs as well schools so he not short a £ or 2.did he apply for this post in first place, surely salary was attached to the  job.
I'd guess his job description has changed over time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 04, 2017, 11:09:27 PM
i think donnelly is well worth the money. its not just his high level work with tyrone seniors, as i understand he is strength and conditioning coach for all the academy teams, minors and u21s so quite a workload for one man. great fella to have around as players really like him. id say we should just call it 50k. take the rest out of mickey and gavins wages.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 04, 2017, 11:45:09 PM
When you compare Tyrone in 2014 to 2015 when Donnelly arrived in the setup, it's a world of difference.

Th strength and conditioning of the team has improved significantly in that time, I think he has a lot of input in our defensive structure and is a valued member of the backroom team.

The way I look at it is Donnelly worth £42k a year and I'd probably say yes. It's a salary and he covers an awful lot of teams across the whole setup. If you were to hire multiple S&C guys who are charging freelance by the hour for an array of different teams, then Donnelly will work out much cheaper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 05, 2017, 09:21:53 AM
Peter Donnelly is worth more than what Mickey Harte is getting!!! And you can be damn sure hes getting £40k!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 05, 2017, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: Club boi on October 04, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 04, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 04, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
So anyway, which GAA jobs is it acceptable to be paid for?
S & C coach?
Physio?
Defence coach?
Manager?
Secretary?
Does it depend on the personality or on the amount of time they spend doing it?

Video Analysis is worth a few quid these days.
GPS Interpretation too, although that may be covered under the realm of S/C coach.

Just ask Coalisland!!!!

:o :o :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on October 05, 2017, 11:09:27 AM
we really shouldn't be discussing a man's salary on a public forum but I'm led to believe from reliable sources that Peter Donnelly currently isn't getting anywhere near that amount of money. In fact he took a pay cut to come to Tyrone.
The man is at the top of his game, oversees the senior training and S&C for all underage squads as well as plenty of other stuff not often publicised. He works long and unsociable hours, most weekends and if you compared his qualifications, skill set, performance level, hours etc to any other career, you can be sure it would equate to a salary of £40k+.

You can be damn sure Mickey takes home a lot more than that despite that fact that he's not actually paid of course. Would love to see how it's described in the county board's accounts in fairness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 05, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on October 05, 2017, 11:09:27 AM
we really shouldn't be discussing a man's salary on a public forum but I'm led to believe from reliable sources that Peter Donnelly currently isn't getting anywhere near that amount of money. In fact he took a pay cut to come to Tyrone.
The man is at the top of his game, oversees the senior training and S&C for all underage squads as well as plenty of other stuff not often publicised. He works long and unsociable hours, most weekends and if you compared his qualifications, skill set, performance level, hours etc to any other career, you can be sure it would equate to a salary of £40k+.

You can be damn sure Mickey takes home a lot more than that despite that fact that he's not actually paid of course. Would love to see how it's described in the county board's accounts in fairness.

100 % correct
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 11:27:59 AM
How can anybody even be sure that mickey is gettin paid? Maybe it would explain the madness of the new 3 yr term? He could be either doin it for free or was the cheapest option?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 05, 2017, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 05, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on October 05, 2017, 11:09:27 AM
we really shouldn't be discussing a man's salary on a public forum but I'm led to believe from reliable sources that Peter Donnelly currently isn't getting anywhere near that amount of money. In fact he took a pay cut to come to Tyrone.
The man is at the top of his game, oversees the senior training and S&C for all underage squads as well as plenty of other stuff not often publicised. He works long and unsociable hours, most weekends and if you compared his qualifications, skill set, performance level, hours etc to any other career, you can be sure it would equate to a salary of £40k+.

You can be damn sure Mickey takes home a lot more than that despite that fact that he's not actually paid of course. Would love to see how it's described in the county board's accounts in fairness.

100 % correct

Don't think Mickey's salary would feature in the County Board's accounts.  I'm led to believe Club Tyrone look after this end of things (a separate entity).  Peter Donnelly is however an employee of the County and his Salary would be disclosed along with other staffing costs paid out by Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 05, 2017, 11:41:20 AM
Was there not a dispute at some stage last year between Peter Donnelly and the county board as well? I remember talk that he could be about to walk away and that it was over wages. Obviously hard to comment without knowing the ins and out but either it wasn't sorted properly back then and the County Board aren't looking after their staff, or else it was sorted and Peter has come back looking for more again which wouldn't reflect well on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on October 05, 2017, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 05, 2017, 11:41:20 AM
Was there not a dispute at some stage last year between Peter Donnelly and the county board as well? I remember talk that he could be about to walk away and that it was over wages. Obviously hard to comment without knowing the ins and out but either it wasn't sorted properly back then and the County Board aren't looking after their staff, or else it was sorted and Peter has come back looking for more again which wouldn't reflect well on him.

Maybe only a year was agreed with it to be reviewed? When there may have been discussions previously regarding pay etc. M Harte may have been in his final year(at the time) maybe a long term agreement couldn't be arranged. I hope it gets sorted soon with P Donnelly staying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 05, 2017, 12:18:46 PM
Jesus some yapping, few of you living in fairyland!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
Either way, we need to come up with the cash to keep Donnelly. Does raise further questions regarding county board spending. They must be near broke.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 05, 2017, 01:29:36 PM
Aye broke paying Micky and his Cartel plus "friends" of "friends"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TROUSERS on October 05, 2017, 02:22:55 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 04, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 04, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 04, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
So anyway, which GAA jobs is it acceptable to be paid for?
S & C coach?
Physio?
Defence coach?
Manager?
Secretary?
Does it depend on the personality or on the amount of time they spend doing it?

Video Analysis is worth a few quid these days.
GPS Interpretation too, although that may be covered under the realm of S/C coach.

Just ask Coalisland!!!!

Sure fianna pride themselves on not paying management
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 05, 2017, 04:04:58 PM
Are John McKeever, Conleith Gilligan and Tommy Devlin doing it for free??? Wow!! Great GAA men!  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on October 05, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
Heard today Peter Donnelly is definitely gone.

From memory the issue last year which was previously mentioned was that he was doing far more than what was initially agreed when he first came on board.  he didn't have a problem with doing this extra work but felt his package needed to reflect the extra work that he was doing.  this was then then agreed upon which was rumoured to be around £30k at that stage.

I haven't heard anything about the demands for £42k but apparently it was just a case of his contract was up and it hasn't been renewed by the county board .... reason being only they will know for sure but I think we will all agree he most certainly fulfilled his task of s&c coach over the past few years to a very high standard.

I cant see him being short of offers from numerous sporting codes that will certainly pay in excess of what he would have stayed with Tyrone for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on October 05, 2017, 04:32:23 PM
The Tyrone chairperson was questioning his worth last year. Does she have a clue? He can come back to Cavan if he wants.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 05, 2017, 04:33:52 PM
Anyone feeling there needed to be a scapegoat for the Dublin tanking and this is the sacrifice that has been made?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 05, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
This is complete nonsense and hysteria. People with the tin hats out. I don't know what the situation is as does nobody on this site.

I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for 42k as I am sure he could get that elsewhere. If clubs are paying managers £30 plus grand he could probably get a load more in other counties or clubs.

But lets not start talking s**te that there was some joint effort to remove him or make him a scapegoat. A) nobody knows if this has happened and B) its rubbish by the same people on here crying about the chairwoman, the county board, club tyrone, mickey harte blah blah blah blah.

Keep it in the pants until you hear for definite
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on October 05, 2017, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
This is complete nonsense and hysteria. People with the tin hats out. I don't know what the situation is as does nobody on this site.

I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for 42k as I am sure he could get that elsewhere. If clubs are paying managers £30 plus grand he could probably get a load more in other counties or clubs.

But lets not start talking s**te that there was some joint effort to remove him or make him a scapegoat. A) nobody knows if this has happened and B) its rubbish by the same people on here crying about the chairwoman, the county board, club tyrone, mickey harte blah blah blah blah.

Keep it in the pants until you hear for definite

::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 05, 2017, 04:54:50 PM
Peter Donnelly wouldn't be much use as a scapegoat since he's been the most praised member of the Tyrone set up in the past couple of years.

If his contract expired in September and hasn't been renewed then that means he is unemployed at the moment and collecting no salary. If that is the case then that is absolutely ludicrous treatment from the county board and incompetence of the highest order considering how valuable an asset Peter Donnelly is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on October 05, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 05, 2017, 04:54:50 PM
Peter Donnelly wouldn't be much use as a scapegoat since he's been the most praised member of the Tyrone set up in the past couple of years.

If his contract expired in September and hasn't been renewed then that means he is unemployed at the moment and collecting no salary. If that is the case then that is absolutely ludicrous treatment from the county board and incompetence of the highest order considering how valuable an asset Peter Donnelly is.

Probably getting too much credit for the Fuhrers liking...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on October 05, 2017, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on October 05, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 05, 2017, 04:54:50 PM
Peter Donnelly wouldn't be much use as a scapegoat since he's been the most praised member of the Tyrone set up in the past couple of years.

If his contract expired in September and hasn't been renewed then that means he is unemployed at the moment and collecting no salary. If that is the case then that is absolutely ludicrous treatment from the county board and incompetence of the highest order considering how valuable an asset Peter Donnelly is.

Probably getting too much credit for the Fuhrers liking...........

That or ms. Chairwoman is actively trying to weaken der fuhrers background team  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 05, 2017, 07:13:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on October 05, 2017, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on October 05, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 05, 2017, 04:54:50 PM
Peter Donnelly wouldn't be much use as a scapegoat since he's been the most praised member of the Tyrone set up in the past couple of years.

If his contract expired in September and hasn't been renewed then that means he is unemployed at the moment and collecting no salary. If that is the case then that is absolutely ludicrous treatment from the county board and incompetence of the highest order considering how valuable an asset Peter Donnelly is.

Probably getting too much credit for the Fuhrers liking...........

That or ms. Chairwoman is actively trying to weaken der fuhrers background team  ::)

lol fu@king brilliant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 09:38:17 PM
who would be likely to replace peter donnelly if he is gone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on October 05, 2017, 09:56:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 09:38:17 PM
who would be likely to replace peter donnelly if he is gone?
Mickey might do the S&C himself. At least he'll be offering some value for money at that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TROUSERS on October 05, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 05, 2017, 04:04:58 PM
Are John McKeever, Conleith Gilligan and Tommy Devlin doing it for free??? Wow!! Great GAA men!  ::)

So fianna paying all them men and a video man?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 10:05:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on October 05, 2017, 09:56:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 09:38:17 PM
who would be likely to replace peter donnelly if he is gone?
Mickey might do the S&C himself. At least he'll be offering some value for money at that
are you saying peter donnelly wasnt value for money?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 05, 2017, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: TROUSERS on October 05, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 05, 2017, 04:04:58 PM
Are John McKeever, Conleith Gilligan and Tommy Devlin doing it for free??? Wow!! Great GAA men!  ::)

So fianna paying all them men and a video man?

Wee sully would ya wise up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on October 05, 2017, 11:01:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 10:05:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on October 05, 2017, 09:56:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 09:38:17 PM
who would be likely to replace peter donnelly if he is gone?
Mickey might do the S&C himself. At least he'll be offering some value for money at that
are you saying peter donnelly wasnt value for money?
I'm not, my point was that Micky could be of more use at S&C than he will be on the line for another 3 years
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 11:03:25 PM
not a chance mickey is gonna last the 3 yrs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 05, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
Could we see new members in the back room. Some v talented guys freed up their schedule in the last few days. Would love to see it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TROUSERS on October 06, 2017, 12:01:55 AM
Quote from: In hiding on October 05, 2017, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: TROUSERS on October 05, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 05, 2017, 04:04:58 PM
Are John McKeever, Conleith Gilligan and Tommy Devlin doing it for free??? Wow!! Great GAA men!  ::)

So fianna paying all them men and a video man?

Wee sully would ya wise up

That mean yes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 06, 2017, 01:00:58 AM
Quote from: rrhf on October 05, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
Could we see new members in the back room. Some v talented guys freed up their schedule in the last few days. Would love to see it.
Who have you in mind
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on October 06, 2017, 07:14:16 AM
do you think any young coach with a modern view would  get the chance to express himself in the current set up. if young players are unable to express themselves due to fear and criticism how would a coach. with the media unable to function properly either to give an objective view it all becomes a bit of a farce. thank god for joe brolly he appears to be the only man to say what the others are afraid to.
the southern media dont care about incurring the wrath of the tyrone omerta. it would be great if the northern and local media would take a similar more balanced view. where will the 42 grand go now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 06, 2017, 07:18:40 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 06, 2017, 07:14:16 AM
do you think any young coach with a modern view would  get the chance to express himself in the current set up. if young players are unable to express themselves due to fear and criticism how would a coach. with the media unable to function properly either to give an objective view it all becomes a bit of a farce. thank god for joe brolly he appears to be the only man to say what the others are afraid to.
the southern media dont care about incurring the wrath of the tyrone omerta. it would be great if the northern and local media would take a similar more balanced view. where will the 42 grand go now.

Yawn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 06, 2017, 07:50:52 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on October 05, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 05, 2017, 04:04:58 PM
Are John McKeever, Conleith Gilligan and Tommy Devlin doing it for free??? Wow!! Great GAA men!  ::)

So fianna paying all them men and a video man?

They "were" but I hear McKeever is gone!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on October 06, 2017, 08:15:08 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 05, 2017, 11:03:25 PM
not a chance mickey is gonna last the 3 yrs.

One day you'll be right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 06, 2017, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 06, 2017, 07:14:16 AM
do you think any young coach with a modern view would  get the chance to express himself in the current set up. if young players are unable to express themselves due to fear and criticism how would a coach. with the media unable to function properly either to give an objective view it all becomes a bit of a farce. thank god for joe brolly he appears to be the only man to say what the others are afraid to.
the southern media dont care about incurring the wrath of the tyrone omerta. it would be great if the northern and local media would take a similar more balanced view. where will the 42 grand go now.

Wise up would ye, you've just rhymed off everything the southern media and brolly have been pedalling, think for yourself. The buzz words "express yourself" Dublin, Kerry and Mayo all go out with "systems" and "tactics" what ever buzz word you want.

You're expecting some Pep Guardiola type to spring up and revolution the game in tyrone. Be reall and engage your brain
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 06, 2017, 09:51:17 AM
Your right redhandefender, Kerry,mayo and Dublin have systems and tactics to win the big games in croker. We don't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 06, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
Peter Donnelly may be changing codes where you get a proper salary and on time each month
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 06, 2017, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 06, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
Peter Donnelly may be changing codes where you get a proper salary and on time each month


Are ALL dealing with hear say or have any of us any proof other than a paper article??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 06, 2017, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 06, 2017, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 06, 2017, 07:14:16 AM
do you think any young coach with a modern view would  get the chance to express himself in the current set up. if young players are unable to express themselves due to fear and criticism how would a coach. with the media unable to function properly either to give an objective view it all becomes a bit of a farce. thank god for joe brolly he appears to be the only man to say what the others are afraid to.
the southern media dont care about incurring the wrath of the tyrone omerta. it would be great if the northern and local media would take a similar more balanced view. where will the 42 grand go now.

Wise up would ye, you've just rhymed off everything the southern media and brolly have been pedalling, think for yourself. The buzz words "express yourself" Dublin, Kerry and Mayo all go out with "systems" and "tactics" what ever buzz word you want.

You're expecting some Pep Guardiola type to spring up and revolution the game in tyrone. Be reall and engage your brain

;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on October 06, 2017, 10:28:34 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 05, 2017, 11:37:21 AM
I'm led to believe Club Tyrone look after this end of things (a separate entity). 

100% wrong.  Every penny Club Tyrone bring in goes to the county board (well, other than the cost of some summer camp stuff and a few events).  No money whatsoever from Club Tyrone goes to Mickey Harte. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 06, 2017, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: Rois on October 06, 2017, 10:28:34 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 05, 2017, 11:37:21 AM
I'm led to believe Club Tyrone look after this end of things (a separate entity). 

100% wrong.  Every penny Club Tyrone bring in goes to the county board (well, other than the cost of some summer camp stuff and a few events).  No money whatsoever from Club Tyrone goes to Mickey Harte. 

directly !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 06, 2017, 04:24:39 PM
Enda is reported to be on board does that mean that Gavin is gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on October 06, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
The Horse has been put out to pasture.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on October 06, 2017, 07:32:15 PM
BE REALL AND ENGAGE MY BRAIN. is that an oxymoron?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on October 06, 2017, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on October 06, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
The Horse has been put out to pasture.

Good
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on October 08, 2017, 08:16:21 AM
so it was a straight choice its either the players or the system that was at fault. and with the departure of devlin it seems the system is the culprit. get ready to be dazzled
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on October 08, 2017, 08:52:48 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 08, 2017, 08:16:21 AM
so it was a straight choice its either the players or the system that was at fault. and with the departure of devlin it seems the system is the culprit. get ready to be dazzled

Was in the front few rows in the Hogan at a league game under lights a few years ago just behind Mickey and Horse.
Not many in attendance that night but still hard enough to get a message to players for noise.
Cue Horse roaring the head off himself to get Conor Gormleys attention, it went like this...
"Gormley, Gormley, GORMLEY, GORRRMLEY, GORMLEY, GORRRRRRRMLEY... (finally gets his attention)... LET'S GO!"
He tried so hard to get his attention just to say that to a 3 time All-Ireland winner.
Also his antics on the line v Donegal in recent years were embarrassing.
Less horse, more sheep in wolfs clothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 08, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 08, 2017, 08:16:21 AM
so it was a straight choice its either the players or the system that was at fault. and with the departure of devlin it seems the system is the culprit. get ready to be dazzled

I read this the other way - from what i hear horse was pushing for a more attacking system for a while so with his exit i believe it will be more of the same as you don't get away with questioning the glorious leader for long. Many have tried but none have suceeded!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on October 08, 2017, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: WT4E on October 08, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 08, 2017, 08:16:21 AM
so it was a straight choice its either the players or the system that was at fault. and with the departure of devlin it seems the system is the culprit. get ready to be dazzled

I read this the other way - from what i hear horse was pushing for a more attacking system for a while so with his exit i believe it will be more of the same as you don't get away with questioning the glorious leader for long. Many have tried but none have suceeded!

I believe this to be the case also - Horse wanted more attack minded system but was getting over ruled all the time. Nobody tries to change MH. Unfortunately we will not progress unless we adapt our system which only will get us so far but not any further than we have been for last few seasons
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 08, 2017, 07:27:42 PM
Kieran mcgeary has pulled the pin on Tyrone. The Tyrone dressing room will be an interesting place when the squad or what's left of it come December! What will Mickey's first words be? We will just continue what we were doing or let's forget about the last 3years! These players are bound of lost their motivation at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 08, 2017, 07:36:26 PM
Interesting 1st post. How confident are you with your info??

But I agree, after so long of the same thing, with no attempt to change a failing system, surely the players motivation and will to win starts to wain
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on October 08, 2017, 08:03:33 PM
If Horse is being replaced by McGinley I'd find it strange to accept the above as McGinley was on national radio in the past few weeks openly calling out the style of football we are playing. He more or less said we'll go no where with the style of play and we would require a total sustem change.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on October 08, 2017, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 08, 2017, 07:36:26 PM
Interesting 1st post. How confident are you with your info??

But I agree, after so long of the same thing, with no attempt to change a failing system, surely the players motivation and will to win starts to wain

kieran has begun a degree over in England a few weeks ago therefore I presume that ends his county career for now. Tyrones loss is pomeroys gain :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on October 08, 2017, 08:21:38 PM
McGeary doing a PGE across the pond to finish his teaching degree
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 08, 2017, 08:56:29 PM
McGeary will be a loss but he's not an integral player in the side.

We have lots of players around that area in the pitch with not a lot between them so will open up a chance for one of them. Harry Loughran seems to be flying with Moy at the minute, hopefully he gets the chance to stake a claim next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on October 08, 2017, 09:01:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 08, 2017, 08:56:29 PM
McGeary will be a loss but he's not an integral player in the side.

We have lots of players around that area in the pitch with not a lot between them so will open up a chance for one of them. Harry Loughran seems to be flying with Moy at the minute, hopefully he gets the chance to stake a claim next year.

He most certainly would be an integral player if tyrone lost the defensive style of play and played him in a more attacking role.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 08, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on October 08, 2017, 09:01:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 08, 2017, 08:56:29 PM
McGeary will be a loss but he's not an integral player in the side.

We have lots of players around that area in the pitch with not a lot between them so will open up a chance for one of them. Harry Loughran seems to be flying with Moy at the minute, hopefully he gets the chance to stake a claim next year.

He most certainly would be an integral player if tyrone lost the defensive style of play and played him in a more attacking role.

Thats a big IF
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 08, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on October 08, 2017, 09:01:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 08, 2017, 08:56:29 PM
McGeary will be a loss but he's not an integral player in the side.

We have lots of players around that area in the pitch with not a lot between them so will open up a chance for one of them. Harry Loughran seems to be flying with Moy at the minute, hopefully he gets the chance to stake a claim next year.

He most certainly would be an integral player if tyrone lost the defensive style of play and played him in a more attacking role.

Let's not go overboard.

McGeary is a good player. His position is one of those under threat regardless of what style of football we play, in fact if we went to a more adventurous style of play we'd probably be losing one of the middle third players - where McGeary plays - for an inside forward.

Hope we see him back again in a Tyrone jersey as he has a lot to offer but thankfully it's an area we are fairly well stocked in - opportunity now for the likes of Meyler, R Donnelly, Burns, Loughran etc to nail a place down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 09, 2017, 07:52:57 AM
Quote from: tiempo on October 08, 2017, 08:52:48 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 08, 2017, 08:16:21 AM
so it was a straight choice its either the players or the system that was at fault. and with the departure of devlin it seems the system is the culprit. get ready to be dazzled

Was in the front few rows in the Hogan at a league game under lights a few years ago just behind Mickey and Horse.
Not many in attendance that night but still hard enough to get a message to players for noise.
Cue Horse roaring the head off himself to get Conor Gormleys attention, it went like this...
"Gormley, Gormley, GORMLEY, GORRRMLEY, GORMLEY, GORRRRRRRMLEY... (finally gets his attention)... LET'S GO!"
He tried so hard to get his attention just to say that to a 3 time All-Ireland winner.
Also his antics on the line v Donegal in recent years were embarrassing.
Less horse, more sheep in wolfs clothing.
Reading that puts me in mind of the "Dan" scene from Alan Partridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOad90BvvjM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOad90BvvjM)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 09, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
Just been told that Gavin Devlin has pulled out himself. Said he couldn't continue after Dublin game and has young kids. He said mark Harte is his replacement.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 09, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Gavin Devlin received a lot of criticism from some quarters which was way over the top.Still coached a team who won several big honours which a lot of coaches would be proud off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 09, 2017, 04:11:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 09, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
Just been told that Gavin Devlin has pulled out himself. Said he couldn't continue after Dublin game and has young kids. He said mark Harte is his replacement.

You have got to be kidding!!!!

Garvaghy Cartel taking over
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on October 09, 2017, 07:05:19 PM

Bloody hell there's a lot of unfounded rumours in this topic at the moment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 09, 2017, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 09, 2017, 07:05:19 PM

Bloody hell there's a lot of unfounded rumours in this topic at the moment.
unfounded? It came straight from the horses mouth.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on October 09, 2017, 07:26:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 09, 2017, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 09, 2017, 07:05:19 PM

Bloody hell there's a lot of unfounded rumours in this topic at the moment.
unfounded? It came straight from the horses mouth.lol

I wasn't referring to that one per se but there are other rumours recently posted in this topic that are complete bollocks.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 09, 2017, 10:27:31 PM
I actually think Mark could bring a lot to the table, here. These guys are on a hiding to nothing if they don't bring an attacking balance to tyrones play and start developing a competitive edge against the top 3. At this stage let them get in the door. I'm just glad that we recognise change is needed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 09, 2017, 11:00:21 PM
Quote from: rrhf on October 09, 2017, 10:27:31 PM
I actually think Mark could bring a lot to the table, here. These guys are on a hiding to nothing if they don't bring an attacking balance to tyrones play and start developing a competitive edge against the top 3. At this stage let them get in the door. I'm just glad that we recognise change is needed.
not sure whether your being serious in this post? what will mark bring to the table? if change is so badly needed why have we gave the man who has overseen this last few years shite another 3 years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 09, 2017, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: rrhf on October 09, 2017, 10:27:31 PM
I actually think Mark could bring a lot to the table, here. These guys are on a hiding to nothing if they don't bring an attacking balance to tyrones play and start developing a competitive edge against the top 3. At this stage let them get in the door. I'm just glad that we recognise change is needed.
Yep a change is needed. We're maybe not getting the change that's needed though. Tally, mc cann, Donnelly, Willie Moore, possibly horse and peter donnelly all have come and gone, possibly others that I don't know also but only mickey harte mickey moynagh and mickey mc caughey remain in situ through it all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on October 10, 2017, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: In hiding on October 09, 2017, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: rrhf on October 09, 2017, 10:27:31 PM
I actually think Mark could bring a lot to the table, here. These guys are on a hiding to nothing if they don't bring an attacking balance to tyrones play and start developing a competitive edge against the top 3. At this stage let them get in the door. I'm just glad that we recognise change is needed.
Yep a change is needed. We're maybe not getting the change that's needed though. Tally, mc cann, Donnelly, Willie Moore, possibly horse and peter donnelly all have come and gone, possibly others that I don't know also but only mickey harte mickey moynagh and mickey mc caughey remain in situ through it all.
Yer like a man with 3 mickies..........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 10, 2017, 07:14:25 PM
The county board has made their bed with Mickey's 3 year deal now the reaction is there for all the world to see with mass desertions reminiscent of Hitler's third Reich in the spring of 1945! This entire situation is nothing short of horrendous for Tyrone GAA. I think Harte has abused the good will of people in Tyrone were they would have preferred he walked away on good terms  but it seems he nor his family will give up the trappings of power so willfully.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2017, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 10, 2017, 07:14:25 PM
The county board has made their bed with Mickey's 3 year deal now the reaction is there for all the world to see with mass desertions reminiscent of Hitler's third Reich in the spring of 1945! This entire situation is nothing short of horrendous for Tyrone GAA. I think Harte has abused the good will of people in Tyrone were they would have preferred he walked away on good terms  but it seems he nor his family will give up the trappings of power so willfully.

Oh great, he's started another username......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 11, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
Lol maybe you think I'm someone else? I've always supported Mickey unlike others but the shock of what happened against Dublin and the subsequent 3year deal has left me and many others think this is not really a great idea. So let's stick to the debate and less of the sneering remarks thank you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 11, 2017, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 11, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
Lol maybe you think I'm someone else? I've always supported Mickey unlike others but the shock of what happened against Dublin and the subsequent 3year deal has left me and many others think this is not really a great idea. So let's stick to the debate and less of the sneering remarks thank you.

You desperately need to get a job!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 11, 2017, 09:10:18 AM
Irish News reporting SON on verge of joining MH backroom t team?? Strange appointment if true
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 11, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
Steven o Neill? Hartes probably ringin round all his ex players in desperation. Truth is nobody would want to work with Harte anymore. It never ends well for the no.2 and the coach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 11, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
I appreciate SO'N was one of the greatest footballers ever to grace Croke Park but what managerial credentials does he have?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 11, 2017, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: driveherin on October 11, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
I appreciate SO'N was one of the greatest footballers ever to grace Croke Park but what managerial credentials does he have?

He's not going in as a manager.

Most backroom team members have little in the way of managerial background.

What background does Jason Sherlock or Declan Darcy have for instance with Dublin?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 11, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 11, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
Lol maybe you think I'm someone else? I've always supported Mickey unlike others but the shock of what happened against Dublin and the subsequent 3year deal has left me and many others think this is not really a great idea. So let's stick to the debate and less of the sneering remarks thank you.

Your prose and views are remarkably similar to that of another poster here by the name of southtyronegael. I think he liked to use the Lol thing too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 11, 2017, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 11, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 11, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
Lol maybe you think I'm someone else? I've always supported Mickey unlike others but the shock of what happened against Dublin and the subsequent 3year deal has left me and many others think this is not really a great idea. So let's stick to the debate and less of the sneering remarks thank you.

Your prose and views are remarkably similar to that of another poster here by the name of southtyronegael. I think he liked to use the Lol thing too.
zzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Orchard park on October 11, 2017, 11:17:27 AM
Quote from: God14 on October 11, 2017, 09:10:18 AM
Irish News reporting SON on verge of joining MH backroom t team?? Strange appointment if true
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both Pioneers ????

from the outside it looks a very unhealthy state of affairs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 11, 2017, 12:28:17 PM
As someone who enthusiastically availed of my season ticket for the last number of years I think a polite but firm no to next year's until some stability and decent football is back on the table.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on October 11, 2017, 01:01:14 PM
What about getting an assistant manager with different ideas and not from the noughties era? A man with management experience such as: Jody Gormley Barney Gormley Pascal Canavan Peter Canavan Adrian Cush Chris Lawn Brian McGuckin

Or does it have to come from the closed shop?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 11, 2017, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 11, 2017, 01:01:14 PM
What about getting an assistant manager with different ideas and not from the noughties era? A man with management experience such as: Jody Gormley Barney Gormley Pascal Canavan Peter Canavan Adrian Cush Chris Lawn Brian McGuckin

Or does it have to come from the closed shop?
none of the above bar pc would go near Harte with a barge pole. Mickey will pick a yes man, simple as. In the same way he picks his playing squad, all yes men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 11, 2017, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 11, 2017, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 11, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 11, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
Lol maybe you think I'm someone else? I've always supported Mickey unlike others but the shock of what happened against Dublin and the subsequent 3year deal has left me and many others think this is not really a great idea. So let's stick to the debate and less of the sneering remarks thank you.

Your prose and views are remarkably similar to that of another poster here by the name of southtyronegael. I think he liked to use the Lol thing too.
zzzzzzzzz

You'll have to be careful with which username you respond with now. Always take your time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 11, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Funny story of the day. MH says to Darren McCurry before he goes on against Dublin "right Darren go on there and win us this game!" On a scale of hilarity this would be 11 out of 10. LOL LOL LOL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on October 11, 2017, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 11, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Funny story of the day. MH says to Darren McCurry before he goes on against Dublin "right Darren go on there and win us this game!" On a scale of hilarity this would be 11 out of 10. LOL LOL LOL

Good one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on October 11, 2017, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 11, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
I appreciate SO'N was one of the greatest footballers ever to grace Croke Park but what managerial credentials does he have?

Great player and it'll be nice to see someone with integrity in the tyrone management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 11, 2017, 09:55:23 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 11, 2017, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 11, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
I appreciate SO'N was one of the greatest footballers ever to grace Croke Park but what managerial credentials does he have?

Great player and it'll be nice to see someone with integrity in the tyrone management.

Amazing Lenny always seems to contribute when his alter ego (now two) are floating about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on October 11, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
some speculation this week re all things tyrone. has the hoss actually gone. if he hasnt the irish news is  full of bull. peter donnelly it goes on. wheres the mickey taker in all this hiding in the bunker. we are a laughing stock off the pitch as well as on it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on October 11, 2017, 10:16:04 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 11, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
some speculation this week re all things tyrone. has the hoss actually gone. if he hasnt the irish news is  full of bull. peter donnelly it goes on. wheres the mickey taker in all this hiding in the bunker. we are a laughing stock off the pitch as well as on it

Hopefully oneill will be able to rein harte in a bit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 12, 2017, 10:08:45 AM
So the Horse is staying and O'Neill is added? Maybe they cant afford Peter Donnellys pay increase as they have another man to sort with $$$'s???
As regards O'Neill reigning MH in - I never knew O'Neill to be very outspoken? So he will just go with the flow as per previous backroom members?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 12, 2017, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: driveherin on October 12, 2017, 10:08:45 AM
So the Horse is staying and O'Neill is added? Maybe they cant afford Peter Donnellys pay increase as they have another man to sort with $$$'s???
As regards O'Neill reigning MH in - I never knew O'Neill to be very outspoken? So he will just go with the flow as per previous backroom members?

Very outspoken in team meetings I've been told.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 12, 2017, 10:46:59 AM
Interersting!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.

Oh I thought he was being replaced by Mark Harte? So you were talking bollocks?

This topic is absolutely toxic at the moment. Apart from Peter Donnelly, has there been a rumour posted here lately that's actually true?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.

Oh I thought he was being replaced by Mark Harte? So you were talking bollocks?

This topic is absolutely toxic at the moment. Apart from Peter Donnelly, has there been a rumour posted here lately that's actually true?
toxic is the word. The whole setup is toxic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.

Oh I thought he was being replaced by Mark Harte? So you were talking bollocks?

This topic is absolutely toxic at the moment. Apart from Peter Donnelly, has there been a rumour posted here lately that's actually true?
toxic is the word. The whole setup is toxic.

If you think the toxic is set-up, that's fine, but I don't think that's an excuse to post unsubstantiated rumours, you're an adult.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
It was in the Irish new ffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 12, 2017, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.

Oh I thought he was being replaced by Mark Harte? So you were talking bollocks?

This topic is absolutely toxic at the moment. Apart from Peter Donnelly, has there been a rumour posted here lately that's actually true?
toxic is the word. The whole setup is toxic.
you're an adult.

That's open to debate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shawshank on October 12, 2017, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 12, 2017, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.

Oh I thought he was being replaced by Mark Harte? So you were talking bollocks?

This topic is absolutely toxic at the moment. Apart from Peter Donnelly, has there been a rumour posted here lately that's actually true?
toxic is the word. The whole setup is toxic.
you're an adult.

That's open to debate.

so a management that has won the last two Ulster championships is toxic, lol. Some people think the grass is greener on the other side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
It was in the Irish new ffs.

It was in the Irish News that Devlin had been replaced by Mark Harte? You're just a ****-stirrer, you know what you're at.

That lad 'thebigdog' is worse. He joined up to post that McGeary was leaving the panel, which is untrue, he'll still be around next year. Someone posted that Devlin is joining Clonoe ffs.

If people don't like the current Tyrone set-up, fine, but spreading rumours about people, some of whom aren't even involved with the senior team, as well as players who have done nothing wrong, is incredibly juvenile.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 12, 2017, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
It was in the Irish new ffs.

It was in the Irish News that Devlin had been replaced by Mark Harte? You're just a ****-stirrer, you know what you're at.

That lad 'thebigdog' is worse. He joined up to post that McGeary was leaving the panel, which is untrue, he'll still be around next year. Someone posted that Devlin is joining Clonoe ffs.

If people don't like the current Tyrone set-up, fine, but spreading rumours about people, some of whom aren't even involved with the senior team, as well as players who have done nothing wrong, is incredibly juvenile.
mi
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.
Kieran mcgeary won't be in the squad next because I know for a fact it's as simple as that. As for you sneering at other posters your the one who should grow up. The horse is back ee aw ee aw.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 12, 2017, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
It was in the Irish new ffs.

It was in the Irish News that Devlin had been replaced by Mark Harte? You're just a ****-stirrer, you know what you're at.

That lad 'thebigdog' is worse. He joined up to post that McGeary was leaving the panel, which is untrue, he'll still be around next year. Someone posted that Devlin is joining Clonoe ffs.

If people don't like the current Tyrone set-up, fine, but spreading rumours about people, some of whom aren't even involved with the senior team, as well as players who have done nothing wrong, is incredibly juvenile.
mi
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.
Kieran mcgeary won't be in the squad next because I know for a fact it's as simple as that. As for you sneering at other posters your the one who should grow up. The horse is back ee aw ee aw.

::)  Yes you heard he's doing a course in England. He's finishing his teaching qualification and will be back early next year. You didn't hear for a fact that he's 'pulled the pin' on Tyrone, which is what you posted in your first post. You implied he'd gone off in a huff or something.

Show some integrity and have some respect for the lad for god's sake.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 12, 2017, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
It was in the Irish new ffs.

It was in the Irish News that Devlin had been replaced by Mark Harte? You're just a ****-stirrer, you know what you're at.

That lad 'thebigdog' is worse. He joined up to post that McGeary was leaving the panel, which is untrue, he'll still be around next year. Someone posted that Devlin is joining Clonoe ffs.

If people don't like the current Tyrone set-up, fine, but spreading rumours about people, some of whom aren't even involved with the senior team, as well as players who have done nothing wrong, is incredibly juvenile.
You mean Mark Harte and Enda McGinley aren't joining the payroll? :o
From the talk on here you would have thought Devlin and Donnelly were being got rid of to free up money for Mickeys "cartel".
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 12, 2017, 05:46:14 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 12, 2017, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
It was in the Irish new ffs.

It was in the Irish News that Devlin had been replaced by Mark Harte? You're just a ****-stirrer, you know what you're at.

That lad 'thebigdog' is worse. He joined up to post that McGeary was leaving the panel, which is untrue, he'll still be around next year. Someone posted that Devlin is joining Clonoe ffs.

If people don't like the current Tyrone set-up, fine, but spreading rumours about people, some of whom aren't even involved with the senior team, as well as players who have done nothing wrong, is incredibly juvenile.
mi
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.
Kieran mcgeary won't be in the squad next because I know for a fact it's as simple as that. As for you sneering at other posters your the one who should grow up. The horse is back ee aw ee aw.

::)  Yes you heard he's doing a course in England. He's finishing his teaching qualification and will be back early next year. You didn't hear for a fact that he's 'pulled the pin' on Tyrone, which is what you posted in your first post. You implied he'd gone off in a huff or something.

Show some integrity and have some respect for the lad for god's sake.

A local Irish News journalist was ringing Clonoe County Players yesterday to ask if the Horse was for Clonoe..... So Irish News haven't a notion either!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 07:40:38 PM
And all this stuff goin on where is mickey? On pilgrimage in Fatima according to ulster herald. :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on October 12, 2017, 07:58:02 PM
Shame on him for having a holiday ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 12, 2017, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 12, 2017, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
It was in the Irish new ffs.

It was in the Irish News that Devlin had been replaced by Mark Harte? You're just a ****-stirrer, you know what you're at.

That lad 'thebigdog' is worse. He joined up to post that McGeary was leaving the panel, which is untrue, he'll still be around next year. Someone posted that Devlin is joining Clonoe ffs.

If people don't like the current Tyrone set-up, fine, but spreading rumours about people, some of whom aren't even involved with the senior team, as well as players who have done nothing wrong, is incredibly juvenile.
You mean Mark Harte and Enda McGinley aren't joining the payroll? :o
From the talk on here you would have thought Devlin and Donnelly were being got rid of to free up money for Mickeys "cartel".
It's getting ridiculous and it is off season. Let the lads winter and stop the silly gossip. When the real stories replace the rumours we might find that  horse went to Fatima to become a teacher.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 12, 2017, 10:19:01 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 12, 2017, 05:46:14 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 12, 2017, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: randomusername on October 12, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
It was in the Irish new ffs.

It was in the Irish News that Devlin had been replaced by Mark Harte? You're just a ****-stirrer, you know what you're at.

That lad 'thebigdog' is worse. He joined up to post that McGeary was leaving the panel, which is untrue, he'll still be around next year. Someone posted that Devlin is joining Clonoe ffs.

If people don't like the current Tyrone set-up, fine, but spreading rumours about people, some of whom aren't even involved with the senior team, as well as players who have done nothing wrong, is incredibly juvenile.
mi
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 12, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
Gavin Devlin to stay on according to Irish news. The status quo continues.
Kieran mcgeary won't be in the squad next because I know for a fact it's as simple as that. As for you sneering at other posters your the one who should grow up. The horse is back ee aw ee aw.

::)  Yes you heard he's doing a course in England. He's finishing his teaching qualification and will be back early next year. You didn't hear for a fact that he's 'pulled the pin' on Tyrone, which is what you posted in your first post. You implied he'd gone off in a huff or something.

Show some integrity and have some respect for the lad for god's sake.

A local Irish News journalist was ringing Clonoe County Players yesterday to ask if the Horse was for Clonoe..... So Irish News haven't a notion either!!!!
It would appear some of the more gullible members of the 4th estate reside on here looking for their next big scoop.

There was one rung an Omagh county players asking about one of the other rumoured back room additions and was strung along.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 16, 2017, 11:30:34 AM
Is Horse staying or what? Strange he chose to go to Slaughneil - Kilcoo game rather than Tyrone county final yesterday. Priorities? unless he is stepping away?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 16, 2017, 12:32:47 PM
Stevie was observing for him.Seated in the VIP area.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 16, 2017, 12:59:35 PM
 o'neill in horse out then? hope he had a good look at conan grugan, one of the best footballers in the county and not even in the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 16, 2017, 07:23:05 PM
Peter Harte plays well and still ends up on the losing team. This is not new he has played well in numerous big games were the team underperforms. It has to be said he does be at his best when playing in a defensive screen. The last thing you want Petey doing is running around after his man like Ciaran Kilkenny did in the All Ireland final. However if Tyrone are to succeed in the future players like Harte will have to face up to this side of the game and the constant comfort of the blanket defence will not do. These are the questions Mickey Harte will have to answer in the next three years. Unfortunately I am doubtful Tyrone football will change and that is very sad. Tyrone need players who will go to war first and foremost and "nice skill" should be secondary.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 17, 2017, 08:14:05 AM
so whats the story?? Whos in and whos out?? Donelly? Mark Harte? McGinley? SO'N? Horse?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on October 17, 2017, 09:16:56 AM
Calm the caks.......it'll be grand------ :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on October 17, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 17, 2017, 08:14:05 AM
so whats the story?? Whos in and whos out?? Donelly? Mark Harte? McGinley? SO'N? Horse?

#1  Mickey Harte
#2  Mark Harte
#3. Michael Harte
Physio  - Mattie Harte
Trainer - Davy Harte
Maor  Uisces -  Jonathan & Jennifer Hart
Official Team Photographer - Tony Hart
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 17, 2017, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 17, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 17, 2017, 08:14:05 AM
so whats the story?? Whos in and whos out?? Donelly? Mark Harte? McGinley? SO'N? Horse?

#1  Mickey Harte
#2  Mark Harte
#3. Michael Harte
Physio  - Mattie Harte
Trainer - Davy Harte
Maor  Uisces -  Jonathan & Jennifer Hart
Official Team Photographer - Tony Hart
id say by the time the next 3 yrs is up this might closer to the management team than u think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 17, 2017, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 17, 2017, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 17, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 17, 2017, 08:14:05 AM
so whats the story?? Whos in and whos out?? Donelly? Mark Harte? McGinley? SO'N? Horse?

#1  Mickey Harte
#2  Mark Harte
#3. Michael Harte
Physio  - Mattie Harte
Trainer - Davy Harte
Maor  Uisces -  Jonathan & Jennifer Hart
Official Team Photographer - Tony Hart
id say by the time the next 3 yrs is up this might closer to the management team than u think.
But could also  be 5-Ulsters in a row and the most consistent team in the Super 8's.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 17, 2017, 10:15:30 PM
yippee. to be honest id rather not win ulster, go to croke park and beat any of the top 3. ulsters are about as much use as mc kenna cups at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 18, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
Kieran mcgeary has left the senior squad after hearing from several sources including a friend of his. Another source says McNulty of Dungannon and Richard Donnelly have other plans next year. Interesting times ahead!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 19, 2017, 10:14:20 PM
monaghan at home in ulster first round next year. will be a good chance to test out our new gameplan next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 20, 2017, 05:29:47 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 17, 2017, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 17, 2017, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 17, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 17, 2017, 08:14:05 AM
so whats the story?? Whos in and whos out?? Donelly? Mark Harte? McGinley? SO'N? Horse?

#1  Mickey Harte
#2  Mark Harte
#3. Michael Harte
Physio  - Mattie Harte
Trainer - Davy Harte
Maor  Uisces -  Jonathan & Jennifer Hart
Official Team Photographer - Tony Hart
id say by the time the next 3 yrs is up this might closer to the management team than u think.
But could also  be 5-Ulsters in a row and the most consistent team in the Super 8's.

DUBLIN????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 22, 2017, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 17, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: driveherin on October 17, 2017, 08:14:05 AM
so whats the story?? Whos in and whos out?? Donelly? Mark Harte? McGinley? SO'N? Horse?

#1  Mickey Harte
#2  Mark Harte
#3. Michael Harte
Physio  - Mattie Harte
Trainer - Davy Harte
Maor  Uisces -  Jonathan & Jennifer Hart
Official Team Photographer - Tony Hart

There'll be plenty of harte to harte talks there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 22, 2017, 09:13:05 PM
I can exclusively reveal plan A (the blanket) will be continued next year. However a few tweaks will be implemented with our lord's prayer said before all matches and a decade of the rosary at half time. Yes!! Let's do this. ( Maybe somebody is feeding me bullshit?)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on October 22, 2017, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 22, 2017, 09:13:05 PM
I can exclusively reveal plan A (the blanket) will be continued next year. However a few tweaks will be implemented with our lord's prayer said before all matches and a decade of the rosary at half time. Yes!! Let's do this. ( Maybe somebody is feeding me bullshit?)

You and your 'sources'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on October 22, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 18, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
Kieran mcgeary has left the senior squad after hearing from several sources including a friend of his. Another source says McNulty of Dungannon and Richard Donnelly have other plans next year. Interesting times ahead!

I also heard on the grapevine there will be no Sean Cavanagh next year...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on October 22, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 18, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
Kieran mcgeary has left the senior squad after hearing from several sources including a friend of his. Another source says McNulty of Dungannon and Richard Donnelly have other plans next year. Interesting times ahead!

Impetuosity of youth?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on October 23, 2017, 07:05:00 AM
lads were nearly at the 8 weeks have passed point since tyrone football was obliterated in croker. id say the irish news will see the return of the mickey taker this week in some form or other (excuses at the ready and contract in hand) and he might even reveal plan B. id say it will look very similar to how omagh set up this year. watch this space.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 23, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 23, 2017, 07:05:00 AM
lads were nearly at the 8 weeks have passed point since tyrone football was obliterated in croker. id say the irish news will see the return of the mickey taker this week in some form or other (excuses at the ready and contract in hand) and he might even reveal plan B. id say it will look very similar to how omagh set up this year. watch this space.
Sounds like a great idea, announce your tactics 3 months before the NFL begins.

As an aside would you be able to elaborate on the Omagh set-up?
Regards
S Neil.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on October 23, 2017, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 22, 2017, 09:13:05 PM
I can exclusively reveal plan A (the blanket) will be continued next year. However a few tweaks will be implemented with our lord's prayer said before all matches and a decade of the rosary at half time. Yes!! Let's do this. ( Maybe somebody is feeding me bullshit?)

Do Tyrone pray before matches? I can't see that being true. I'm calling bullsh1t on that accusation
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 23, 2017, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on October 23, 2017, 07:05:00 AM
lads were nearly at the 8 weeks have passed point since tyrone football was obliterated in croker. id say the irish news will see the return of the mickey taker this week in some form or other (excuses at the ready and contract in hand) and he might even reveal plan B. id say it will look very similar to how omagh set up this year. watch this space.

this is one of the stupidest things I have read on here, what are you talking about?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 23, 2017, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on October 23, 2017, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 22, 2017, 09:13:05 PM
I can exclusively reveal plan A (the blanket) will be continued next year. However a few tweaks will be implemented with our lord's prayer said before all matches and a decade of the rosary at half time. Yes!! Let's do this. ( Maybe somebody is feeding me bullshit?)

Do Tyrone pray before matches? I can't see that being true. I'm calling bullsh1t on that accusation

Ronan McNamee said in an article in the irish news (i think!) that they all went to mass on the morning of games, I definitely remember reading something like this in the summer perhaps that's what the reference is about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on October 23, 2017, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 23, 2017, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on October 23, 2017, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 22, 2017, 09:13:05 PM
I can exclusively reveal plan A (the blanket) will be continued next year. However a few tweaks will be implemented with our lord's prayer said before all matches and a decade of the rosary at half time. Yes!! Let's do this. ( Maybe somebody is feeding me bullshit?)

Do Tyrone pray before matches? I can't see that being true. I'm calling bullsh1t on that accusation

They say the rosary before games. That came out last year and it shows the kind of player harte wants as part of his set up. Players who are slaves to a system and can't think for themselves. If the players had anything about them they would say they'll do their own praying in their own time but no they sit round in a circle and slavishly rhyme out the rosary as a group. That failure to think for themselves resulted in humiliation v Dublin.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 23, 2017, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on October 23, 2017, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 22, 2017, 09:13:05 PM
I can exclusively reveal plan A (the blanket) will be continued next year. However a few tweaks will be implemented with our lord's prayer said before all matches and a decade of the rosary at half time. Yes!! Let's do this. ( Maybe somebody is feeding me bullshit?)

Do Tyrone pray before matches? I can't see that being true. I'm calling bullsh1t on that accusation

It was well discussed on here during the summer:

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28048.0
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 23, 2017, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 23, 2017, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on October 23, 2017, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 22, 2017, 09:13:05 PM
I can exclusively reveal plan A (the blanket) will be continued next year. However a few tweaks will be implemented with our lord's prayer said before all matches and a decade of the rosary at half time. Yes!! Let's do this. ( Maybe somebody is feeding me bullshit?)

Do Tyrone pray before matches? I can't see that being true. I'm calling bullsh1t on that accusation

Ronan McNamee said in an article in the irish news (i think!) that they all went to mass on the morning of games, I definitely remember reading something like this in the summer perhaps that's what the reference is about.
no it was Harte that said they pray before games then his puppet mc namee came out and said the same thing and that he was cool with it as he goes to mass every Sunday and before games. Common knowledge at this stage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 23, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Anything wrong with praying before games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 23, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 23, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Anything wrong with praying before games?
nothing wrong with saying prayers to yourself if thats how u feel but for the group to be expected to say prayers at the behest of one religious fundamentalist is surely wrong?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 23, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 23, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Anything wrong with praying before games?
nothing wrong with saying prayers to yourself if thats how u feel but for the group to be expected to say prayers at the behest of one religious fundamentalist is surely wrong?

This clown would be calling mickey harte the anti christ if they weren't praying.

I would doubt hes walking about making sure they are all saying the words. Its probably a reflective moment as a team anyone who wants to can pray others can tune in, no big deal. I am pretty sure all the lads are catholics
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 23, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 23, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Anything wrong with praying before games?
nothing wrong with saying prayers to yourself if thats how u feel but for the group to be expected to say prayers at the behest of one religious fundamentalist is surely wrong?

Who said they were expected to pray ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:40:37 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 23, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 23, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Anything wrong with praying before games?
nothing wrong with saying prayers to yourself if thats how u feel but for the group to be expected to say prayers at the behest of one religious fundamentalist is surely wrong?

Who said they were expected to pray ?
it would be like this, yous don't have to pray lads, but if u don't, forget about wearing the Tyrone jersey again. Its like the rte ban, 'im not sayin u cant talk to rte, but if u do....'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 24, 2017, 09:08:45 AM
Cathal Corey appointed in Sligo, will be interesting to see how he gets on here - Only a Crossmaglen away from an Ulster Club Title not so long ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?

Now I know you really are a WUM Fermanagh man such nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 24, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
Kildress man Cathal Corey appointed Sligo Senior Football manager!
I know he has been No2 to a few guys before and managed Glenties but is that enough to pick up an Inter County post?
Will his backroom team be local or Sligo men?
Fair play to him anyway!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 24, 2017, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: driveherin on October 24, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
Kildress man Cathal Corey appointed Sligo Senior Football manager!
I know he has been No2 to a few guys before and managed Glenties but is that enough to pick up an Inter County post?
Will his backroom team be local or Sligo men?
Fair play to him anyway!

i heard Conleth Gillligan and Tony Scullion part of his background team.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 24, 2017, 03:37:54 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 24, 2017, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: driveherin on October 24, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
Kildress man Cathal Corey appointed Sligo Senior Football manager!
I know he has been No2 to a few guys before and managed Glenties but is that enough to pick up an Inter County post?
Will his backroom team be local or Sligo men?
Fair play to him anyway!

i heard Conleth Gillligan and Tony Scullion part of his background team.....

Jes, Gilligan doesnt half get about either "if" true
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:40:37 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 23, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 23, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Anything wrong with praying before games?
nothing wrong with saying prayers to yourself if thats how u feel but for the group to be expected to say prayers at the behest of one religious fundamentalist is surely wrong?

Who said they were expected to pray ?
it would be like this, yous don't have to pray lads, but if u don't, forget about wearing the Tyrone jersey again. Its like the rte ban, 'im not sayin u cant talk to rte, but if u do....'

Quoting Mickey are you ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?

Now I know you really are a WUM Fermanagh man such nonsense.

😂😂😂😂😂 STG from Fermanagh? I assumed he/she/ was a Tyrone one!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 24, 2017, 09:36:24 PM
Good to here of the kildress man's Sligo appointment. There seems to be a surprise among a few on here that someone else from within Tyrone would be capable (god forbid) of managing a senior intercounty team! To the next idiot who says who else can manage Tyrone apart from Mickey. DRY UP and BLOW AWAY!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 24, 2017, 10:07:47 PM
What sort of u 20 team have we next year
Who is over them
When does it take place
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?

Now I know you really are a WUM Fermanagh man such nonsense.

😂😂😂😂😂 STG from Fermanagh? I assumed he/she/ was a Tyrone one!!!
its seems for some on here any dissenting voices in tyrone are either fermanagh men, havent kicked a ball, havent a clue blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on October 24, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?

Now I know you really are a WUM Fermanagh man such nonsense.

😂😂😂😂😂 STG from Fermanagh? I assumed he/she/ was a Tyrone one!!!
its seems for some on here any dissenting voices in tyrone are either fermanagh men, havent kicked a ball, havent a clue blah blah blah.

I'd say you fit all 3...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 24, 2017, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 24, 2017, 10:07:47 PM
What sort of u 20 team have we next year
Who is over them
When does it take place
Logan has stepped down and no word on a replacement. Apparently the plan is for the U20s to play before the Senior team next year with any U20 on the senior team becoming ineligble then for the Under 20s.
At Minor level in 2016 they were very dissapointing and were well beaten by Derry in the championship 1-15 to 0-09.
With Benny Gallen, Peter Og McCartan and Emmet McNabb they have 3 excellent players but wouldn't just be too sure of the rest of that team and the progress they have made since.
The 2016 Minor team that is now the Under 20 in 2018 lined out like this.
Benny Gallen (0-1, 1f); Tiarnan Hurl, Eoin Donnelly, James McGurk; Tiernan Corr, Conall Grimes, Peter Og McCartan; James Devlin (0-1), Cahir Goodwin; Branan Molloy, Tomas Carney (0-2, 1f), Paul Donaghy; Emmet McNabb (0-2, 1f), Matthew McGleenan (0-2), Daniel Kerr (0-2). (Subs) Damien McGuigan for J McGurk (blood sub); Oran Sludden for B Molloy; Brian McNulty for E Donnelly; Ryan Gray for C Goodwin.
This years minors were also beaten by Derry but gave a much better account of themselves against a team that went all the way to All Ireland minor final.
The Under 17s are probably too young to make a massive impact but would atleast expect Darragh Canavan to have a reasonable role from that team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: GJL on October 24, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?

Now I know you really are a WUM Fermanagh man such nonsense.

😂😂😂😂😂 STG from Fermanagh? I assumed he/she/ was a Tyrone one!!!
its seems for some on here any dissenting voices in tyrone are either fermanagh men, havent kicked a ball, havent a clue blah blah blah.

I'd say you fit all 3...

Brilliant 😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on October 24, 2017, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 24, 2017, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 24, 2017, 10:07:47 PM
What sort of u 20 team have we next year
Who is over them
When does it take place
Logan has stepped down and no word on a replacement. Apparently the plan is for the U20s to play before the Senior team next year with any U20 on the senior team becoming ineligble then for the Under 20s.
At Minor level in 2016 they were very dissapointing and were well beaten by Derry in the championship 1-15 to 0-09.
With Benny Gallen, Peter Og McCartan and Emmet McNabb they have 3 excellent players but wouldn't just be too sure of the rest of that team and the progress they have made since.
The 2016 Minor team that is now the Under 20 in 2018 lined out like this.
Benny Gallen (0-1, 1f); Tiarnan Hurl, Eoin Donnelly, James McGurk; Tiernan Corr, Conall Grimes, Peter Og McCartan; James Devlin (0-1), Cahir Goodwin; Branan Molloy, Tomas Carney (0-2, 1f), Paul Donaghy; Emmet McNabb (0-2, 1f), Matthew McGleenan (0-2), Daniel Kerr (0-2). (Subs) Damien McGuigan for J McGurk (blood sub); Oran Sludden for B Molloy; Brian McNulty for E Donnelly; Ryan Gray for C Goodwin.
This years minors were also beaten by Derry but gave a much better account of themselves against a team that went all the way to All Ireland minor final.
The Under 17s are probably too young to make a massive impact but would atleast expect Darragh Canavan to have a reasonable role from that team.

I'm nearly sure that Minor team two years ago won the Ulster Minor league which would suggest they wouldn't be as bad as the result against Derry championship would suggest. Of the lads who didn't feature that day and those who did Brian Kennedy would certainly feature around the middle. He missed nearly all of 2016 after shoulder surgery, but was excellent any time I saw him with Derrylaughan this year. Ryan Gray looked fairly useful with Trillick this year as well. Might be a bit early to expect the U17s to compete but I'd expect some them to be around the panel, if only to keep them involved with the S&C work they'll be getting.

The one lad who you would have expected to kick on was James Devlin. He was the captain of that team and had captained Moortown to win a Minor championship as an U16. I don't think he's even featured with Moortown seniors yet. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 11:35:42 PM
like i say, blah blah blah.

Time you were in your bed!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 11:39:03 PM
Quote from: GJL on October 24, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?

Now I know you really are a WUM Fermanagh man such nonsense.

😂😂😂😂😂 STG from Fermanagh? I assumed he/she/ was a Tyrone one!!!
its seems for some on here any dissenting voices in tyrone are either fermanagh men, havent kicked a ball, havent a clue blah blah blah.

I'd say you fit all 3...
surprise surprise, an errigal ciaran man. have you come on to defend mickey too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:43:40 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 24, 2017, 09:36:24 PM
Good to here of the kildress man's Sligo appointment. There seems to be a surprise among a few on here that someone else from within Tyrone would be capable (god forbid) of managing a senior intercounty team! To the next idiot who says who else can manage Tyrone apart from Mickey. DRY UP and BLOW AWAY!

according to a few Donegal men i know, he was very very close to getting the Donegal job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:46:10 AM
I see Club Tyrone in New York again with the begging buckets   ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 25, 2017, 07:37:49 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:46:10 AM
I see Club Tyrone in New York again with the begging buckets   ::)
One of your own club men among them!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 25, 2017, 07:39:03 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 24, 2017, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 24, 2017, 10:07:47 PM
What sort of u 20 team have we next year
Who is over them
When does it take place
Logan has stepped down and no word on a replacement. Apparently the plan is for the U20s to play before the Senior team next year with any U20 on the senior team becoming ineligble then for the Under 20s.
At Minor level in 2016 they were very dissapointing and were well beaten by Derry in the championship 1-15 to 0-09.
With Benny Gallen, Peter Og McCartan and Emmet McNabb they have 3 excellent players but wouldn't just be too sure of the rest of that team and the progress they have made since.
The 2016 Minor team that is now the Under 20 in 2018 lined out like this.
Benny Gallen (0-1, 1f); Tiarnan Hurl, Eoin Donnelly, James McGurk; Tiernan Corr, Conall Grimes, Peter Og McCartan; James Devlin (0-1), Cahir Goodwin; Branan Molloy, Tomas Carney (0-2, 1f), Paul Donaghy; Emmet McNabb (0-2, 1f), Matthew McGleenan (0-2), Daniel Kerr (0-2). (Subs) Damien McGuigan for J McGurk (blood sub); Oran Sludden for B Molloy; Brian McNulty for E Donnelly; Ryan Gray for C Goodwin.
This years minors were also beaten by Derry but gave a much better account of themselves against a team that went all the way to All Ireland minor final.
The Under 17s are probably too young to make a massive impact but would atleast expect Darragh Canavan to have a reasonable role from that team.
Was his hand not forced? I believe our Co Chairman approached other parties about going for the job before Logan and team pulled the pin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on October 25, 2017, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 11:39:03 PM
Quote from: GJL on October 24, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?

Now I know you really are a WUM Fermanagh man such nonsense.

😂😂😂😂😂 STG from Fermanagh? I assumed he/she/ was a Tyrone one!!!
its seems for some on here any dissenting voices in tyrone are either fermanagh men, havent kicked a ball, havent a clue blah blah blah.

I'd say you fit all 3...
surprise surprise, an errigal ciaran man. have you come on to defend mickey too?

Do Fermanagh schools not teach you about capital letters?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:46:10 AM
I see Club Tyrone in New York again with the begging buckets   ::)

Begging buckets? Do you understand how running a football team works? Your own club were out with plenty of "begging buckets" during the championship which I happily donated to. Other counties have been hitting America for years, plenty of money floating about out there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: GJL on October 25, 2017, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 11:39:03 PM
Quote from: GJL on October 24, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 24, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 24, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 24, 2017, 08:36:23 AM
Redhandefender, what if some of the squad were of another religion? Ie protestant, muslim? Would that mean they are not included in the group pray in?

Now I know you really are a WUM Fermanagh man such nonsense.

😂😂😂😂😂 STG from Fermanagh? I assumed he/she/ was a Tyrone one!!!
its seems for some on here any dissenting voices in tyrone are either fermanagh men, havent kicked a ball, havent a clue blah blah blah.

I'd say you fit all 3...
surprise surprise, an errigal ciaran man. have you come on to defend mickey too?

Do Fermanagh schools not teach you about capital letters?

I think you can add "never made it through P5" to that list of his credentials above!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:46:10 AM
I see Club Tyrone in New York again with the begging buckets   ::)

Begging buckets? Do you understand how running a football team works? Your own club were out with plenty of "begging buckets" during the championship which I happily donated to. Other counties have been hitting America for years, plenty of money floating about out there

Difference is carrickmore were raising funds for the club not to pay management and backroom staff!
What donation will they give the Tyrone club in New York who have struggled due to lack of funds the last few years??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:46:10 AM
I see Club Tyrone in New York again with the begging buckets   ::)

Begging buckets? Do you understand how running a football team works? Your own club were out with plenty of "begging buckets" during the championship which I happily donated to. Other counties have been hitting America for years, plenty of money floating about out there

Difference is carrickmore were raising funds for the club not to pay management and backroom staff!
What donation will they give the Tyrone club in New York who have struggled due to lack of funds the last few years??

Lol Carrickmore have never paid management or backroom staff? wise up. The only difference is they are raising funds for the county and not some club you are involved with.

I was under the impression they had members of Tyrone NYC on side and helping them out but maybe you know different.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on October 25, 2017, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:34:09 AM

I was under the impression they had members of Tyrone NYC on side and helping them out but maybe you know different.
Don't even bother arguing. 
   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 11:16:58 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:46:10 AM
I see Club Tyrone in New York again with the begging buckets   ::)

Begging buckets? Do you understand how running a football team works? Your own club were out with plenty of "begging buckets" during the championship which I happily donated to. Other counties have been hitting America for years, plenty of money floating about out there

Difference is carrickmore were raising funds for the club not to pay management and backroom staff!
What donation will they give the Tyrone club in New York who have struggled due to lack of funds the last few years??

Lol Carrickmore have never paid management or backroom staff? wise up. The only difference is they are raising funds for the county and not some club you are involved with.

I was under the impression they had members of Tyrone NYC on side and helping them out but maybe you know different.


I'm sure there is one or two members of the club going to donate, they are entitled to if they think it will benefit them in the future.  Still I wait to see the donation to the club here and fair play if they do!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Oh and they golf on Friday they are holding. Not to many club members here  will afford the $5000 four ball in fairness
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 25, 2017, 11:38:32 AM
Everything is money based so why not tap into Exiles who may wish to help out.Kerry being doing it for decades.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 25, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
all to feed county elite.. no benefit to clubs at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 25, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
all to feed county elite.. no benefit to clubs at all.

Do you want a county that competes at national level? Its not a club or county situation you can back both. Some people just always need a moan!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Do club Tyrone dictate to what goes on behind the scenes on the Football front....i have heard in the past Club Tyrone are adamant Mickey Has to stay as he is key a lot of Club Tyrone contributors......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 25, 2017, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 25, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
all to feed county elite.. no benefit to clubs at all.

Do you want a county that competes at national level? Its not a club or county situation you can back both. Some people just always need a moan!

aye is to cost of the clubs that are also expected to feed this and are treated terribly... is all to cater for county teams. ffs! can you imagine a county team being asked to play three championship games in eight days?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 25, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
How much does it cost a club each year longballin for garvaghy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 25, 2017, 05:20:00 PM
£500 I believe... should be the other way around
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 25, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
How much does it cost a club each year longballin for garvaghy

I would presume the cost is well hidden in the affiliation fees at the start of the year.... this year i am lead to believe you will be charged for a club draw at the start of the year....and then it is up to you to sell tickets to recoup your money if you dont sell you dont get money back simple as that....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on October 25, 2017, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Oh and they golf on Friday they are holding. Not to many club members here  will afford the $5000 four ball in fairness

That's a significant chunk of change. What do the participants get in return for $5,000?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Do club Tyrone dictate to what goes on behind the scenes on the Football front....i have heard in the past Club Tyrone are adamant Mickey Has to stay as he is key a lot of Club Tyrone contributors......

Nonsense, everything they do has to pass county board
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Do club Tyrone dictate to what goes on behind the scenes on the Football front....i have heard in the past Club Tyrone are adamant Mickey Has to stay as he is key a lot of Club Tyrone contributors......

Nonsense, everything they do has to pass county board

Not so sure but if you say so.... Not so sure on what shape the Tyrone County Board is in at the minute.... if the way they handled Management positions is anything to go by its not great....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 25, 2017, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Do club Tyrone dictate to what goes on behind the scenes on the Football front....i have heard in the past Club Tyrone are adamant Mickey Has to stay as he is key a lot of Club Tyrone contributors......

Nonsense, everything they do has to pass county board
yeah but id say most of the county board people are already club tyrone so could be a conflict of interest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 25, 2017, 09:43:28 PM
What does club Tyrone and Harte want money for? A trip to majigory? Why don't they get rid of half the doughnuts in the backroom team and oh yes play some "football" to get the crowds back to Healy. People will only be too happy to fork out in the spirit of a positive football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 25, 2017, 10:58:13 PM
Gove it a rest McKenna. Are u Gona keep this up for the next 3 years ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 25, 2017, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Do club Tyrone dictate to what goes on behind the scenes on the Football front....i have heard in the past Club Tyrone are adamant Mickey Has to stay as he is key a lot of Club Tyrone contributors......

Nonsense, everything they do has to pass county board
yeah but id say most of the county board people are already club tyrone so could be a conflict of interest.
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Oh well if you say so i suppose  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Do club Tyrone dictate to what goes on behind the scenes on the Football front....i have heard in the past Club Tyrone are adamant Mickey Has to stay as he is key a lot of Club Tyrone contributors......

Nonsense, everything they do has to pass county board

Not so sure but if you say so.... Not so sure on what shape the Tyrone County Board is in at the minute.... if the way they handled Management positions is anything to go by its not great....

Well I am telling you now it is, ring up garvaghey and ask, its not some big conspiracy, their accounts are open and decisions go throught he county board. Take the tin hat of and dont be a dummy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 26, 2017, 09:10:26 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 25, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 25, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Do club Tyrone dictate to what goes on behind the scenes on the Football front....i have heard in the past Club Tyrone are adamant Mickey Has to stay as he is key a lot of Club Tyrone contributors......

Nonsense, everything they do has to pass county board

Not so sure but if you say so.... Not so sure on what shape the Tyrone County Board is in at the minute.... if the way they handled Management positions is anything to go by its not great....

Well I am telling you now it is, ring up garvaghey and ask, its not some big conspiracy, their accounts are open and decisions go throught he county board. Take the tin hat of and dont be a dummy
[/quote



Well i am telling  i heard different.... meetings within meetings..... the day off reckoning will land before we know it..... mark my words.... as usual the Clubs will pick up the bill....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on October 26, 2017, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 25, 2017, 07:37:49 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:46:10 AM
I see Club Tyrone in New York again with the begging buckets   ::)
One of your own club men among them!
I dont think our club man gives a dam about Club Tyrone or what they are trying to achieve.  Who would turn down a free trip to New York all expenses paid?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on October 26, 2017, 10:36:42 AM
Would club tyrone not contribute to his wages as a paid tyrone coach?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 26, 2017, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on October 26, 2017, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 25, 2017, 07:37:49 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2017, 01:46:10 AM
I see Club Tyrone in New York again with the begging buckets   ::)
One of your own club men among them!
I dont think our club man gives a dam about Club Tyrone or what they are trying to achieve.  Who would turn down a free trip to New York all expenses paid?
who pays for the trip?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 26, 2017, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: barelegs on October 24, 2017, 11:35:24 PM

The one lad who you would have expected to kick on was James Devlin. He was the captain of that team and had captained Moortown to win a Minor championship as an U16. I don't think he's even featured with Moortown seniors yet. I could be wrong.

As far as I know James Devlin got an illness and was a major doubt to play football again however last reports I heard was that he is recovering and may well play again (I hope thats true).

Add in to that the fact that his dad fell out with Moortown in recent times and him nor the brother are likely to play for Moortown in any event - Heard a rumour that they would go to Ballinderry - if that where the case I would assume he would still prefer to play for Tyrone if selected?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 26, 2017, 11:35:22 AM
Who do you think pays for trips.Club Tyrone no one out of pocket and rightly so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 26, 2017, 11:41:10 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 26, 2017, 11:35:22 AM
Who do you think pays for trips.Club Tyrone no one out of pocket and rightly so.
fair enough. Why don't they ask club Tyrone to donate the 12000 quid peter Donnelly is looking and be done with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 26, 2017, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 26, 2017, 11:41:10 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 26, 2017, 11:35:22 AM
Who do you think pays for trips.Club Tyrone no one out of pocket and rightly so.
fair enough. Why don't they ask club Tyrone to donate the 12000 quid peter Donnelly is looking and be done with it.

Because they don't decide where the money is spent, the CB does. Club Tyrone members paid there own way, players obviously get flights paid for as they attract the supporters!

Why don't you just go back to the Fermanagh page and be done with it. Such a negative numpty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on October 26, 2017, 01:34:12 PM
I don't know which is worse Southtyronegael's constant criticism or Redhanddefenders rose tinted glasses? Both very irritating and ruining this thread......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 26, 2017, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 26, 2017, 01:34:12 PM
I don't know which is worse Southtyronegael's constant criticism or Redhanddefenders rose tinted glasses? Both very irritating and ruining this thread......

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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 26, 2017, 04:10:05 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 26, 2017, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 26, 2017, 01:34:12 PM
I don't know which is worse Southtyronegael's constant criticism or Redhanddefenders rose tinted glasses? Both very irritating and ruining this thread......

+ 1
+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 26, 2017, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 26, 2017, 04:10:05 PM
Quote from: Club boi on October 26, 2017, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 26, 2017, 01:34:12 PM
I don't know which is worse Southtyronegael's constant criticism or Redhanddefenders rose tinted glasses? Both very irritating and ruining this thread......

+ 1
+1

Right, they are a money grabbing shower of b**tards in garvaghey, Harte's only in it for the money, he's useless, hes holding the county back, the county should be folded up and we should all just enjoy club football!

Sorry for being a glass is half full kind of guy!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 26, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
Did Mickey pay for his trip? What about Roisin Jordan? Incidently, did they kiss and make up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 26, 2017, 04:54:40 PM
Matty Donnelly must have chose to hang out with Kevin McCabe rather than go to OZ too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 26, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Mattys accountancy skills be needed for bringing the loot home tax free.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 26, 2017, 08:05:26 PM
Seen on social media the delegation getting a photo taken with Brian O Driscoll! I mean who cares? Mickey does love a photo opportunity I suppose! PUKE!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 26, 2017, 09:27:54 PM
FYI folks, all welcome!  :)

Big GAA Night in the Capital (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28280.0)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 26, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 26, 2017, 08:05:26 PM
Seen on social media the delegation getting a photo taken with Brian O Driscoll! I mean who cares? Mickey does love a photo opportunity I suppose! PUKE!!

You're easily annoyed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on October 26, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Redhanddefender your glass is not half full it is overflowing and southtyronegaels is empty!
Somewhere in the middle woukd be more appropriate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 26, 2017, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 26, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Redhanddefender your glass is not half full it is overflowing and southtyronegaels is empty!
Somewhere in the middle woukd be more appropriate.
my glass fell a right few years ago and broke into shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 27, 2017, 05:59:09 AM
Quote from: driveherin on October 26, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
Did Mickey pay for his trip? What about Roisin Jordan? Incidently, did they kiss and make up?

I see the next man lined up to be  chairman on the trip too,  Trust me Harte will be around for a long time yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on October 27, 2017, 08:33:03 AM
Be great to be a teacher!! Head on Club Tyrone trips whenever you want  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on October 27, 2017, 08:36:21 AM
Quote from: redzone on October 27, 2017, 05:59:09 AM
Quote from: driveherin on October 26, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
Did Mickey pay for his trip? What about Roisin Jordan? Incidently, did they kiss and make up?

I see the next man lined up to be  chairman on the trip too,  Trust me Harte will be around for a long time yet.

who is that in the picture?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 27, 2017, 12:05:16 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 26, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Redhanddefender your glass is not half full it is overflowing and southtyronegaels is empty!
Somewhere in the middle woukd be more appropriate.

Such an irish thing to say! A bit of realism and positivity rather than joining the tin hat brigade!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on October 27, 2017, 09:41:25 PM
Positivity from you most certainly......realism most certainly not
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 27, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
I really do believe there are sinister elements within the Catholic church dictating Tyrone GAA. Having Neo-Catholic Harte in such a high profile Job is great for publicity. Football seems to have taken a back seat to everything else. I mean what the hell do we want, a man in charge who will focus totally on getting  the best players in the county competing for All Ireland s or a religious fanatic talking about sky ferries who prances about getting photos taken with celebritys. Something very odd about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on October 28, 2017, 01:37:10 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 27, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
I really do believe there are sinister elements within the Catholic church dictating Tyrone GAA. Having Neo-Catholic Harte in such a high profile Job is great for publicity. Football seems to have taken a back seat to everything else. I mean what the hell do we want, a man in charge who will focus totally on getting  the best players in the county competing for All Ireland s or a religious fanatic talking about sky ferries who prances about getting photos taken with celebritys. Something very odd about the whole thing.

Go lick yer balls big dog and yer mates while yer at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on October 28, 2017, 08:25:08 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 27, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
I really do believe there are sinister elements within the Catholic church dictating Tyrone GAA. Having Neo-Catholic Harte in such a high profile Job is great for publicity. Football seems to have taken a back seat to everything else. I mean what the hell do we want, a man in charge who will focus totally on getting  the best players in the county competing for All Ireland s or a religious fanatic talking about sky ferries who prances about getting photos taken with celebritys. Something very odd about the whole thing.

I hear some players are practicing yoga. It's getting out of control.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on October 28, 2017, 11:21:42 AM
Under 17's got summon's to Garvaghy by our leader to pray the Morning of the under 17 final....it could be a cult!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on October 28, 2017, 11:29:59 AM
Fair play to him, Garvaghy needs all the prayers it can get.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on October 28, 2017, 07:44:15 PM
Quote from: under the bar on October 28, 2017, 01:37:10 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on October 27, 2017, 11:34:55 PM
I really do believe there are sinister elements within the Catholic church dictating Tyrone GAA. Having Neo-Catholic Harte in such a high profile Job is great for publicity. Football seems to have taken a back seat to everything else. I mean what the hell do we want, a man in charge who will focus totally on getting  the best players in the county competing for All Ireland s or a religious fanatic talking about sky ferries who prances about getting photos taken with celebritys. Something very odd about the whole thing.

Go lick yer balls big dog and yer mates while yer at it.
woof woof woof I'm the BIG DOG!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on October 29, 2017, 10:11:19 AM
Quote from: The Trap on October 27, 2017, 09:41:25 PM
Positivity from you most certainly......realism most certainly not
RHD's posts on Club Tyrone have certainly been accurate compared with some of the other crap on here the last few days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on October 29, 2017, 10:18:39 AM
I am not worried about club Tyrone.......I am worried about team Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 29, 2017, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on October 28, 2017, 11:21:42 AM
Under 17's got summon's to Garvaghy by our leader to pray the Morning of the under 17 final....it could be a cult!!!
Is Mickey responsible for them too?
Should we add that All-Ireland to his list of achievements?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on November 01, 2017, 07:58:53 AM
Peter Donnelly has up on facebook that he's looking to rent a gym in East Tyrone on Wednesday nights for the East Tyrone panel members.
I guess this ends all speculation on his future!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 01, 2017, 09:29:56 AM
Common sense has prevailed. The club Tyrone trip to new York was worth it then! 3 cheers!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 01, 2017, 12:18:07 PM
Thought Garvaghey had state of the art gym.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on November 01, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 01, 2017, 12:18:07 PM
Thought Garvaghey had state of the art gym.

Garvaghey isn't in East Tyrone tho!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 01, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
so tyrone spend 7.5 million and rising and peter donnelly has to rent a gym in east tyrone as garvaghey isnt fit for purpose. waco
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 02, 2017, 02:40:07 AM
Tyrone have to be a good price for league relegation at this stage?  Make no mistake about it the croke park annihilation was reminiscent of Meath 96 when at that time Tyrone were strong All Ireland favourite s, the bottom fell out and the county was in the doldrums for at least four years after. Get your money on a relegation and a failure to make the super 8s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2017, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 01, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
so tyrone spend 7.5 million and rising and peter donnelly has to rent a gym in east tyrone as garvaghey isnt fit for purpose. waco

The players will be travelling to Garvaghy plenty in the upcoming months, gym work is probably better done in smaller groups esp at adult level. It's a bit of an ask to get the players to drive up there for a gym session (bearing in mind there'll be no expenses for that). What harm is being done in a local area when it can suit all, as opposed to being in Ballygawley when some can't make it with work or whatever. Harte and Donnelly have been around the block long enough, if someone at that level isn't doing their gym work....it'll be obvious, where it takes place? Largely irrelevant surely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2017, 10:41:23 PM
peter donnelly and gavlin devlin have both committed for another season with tyrone according to hoganstand. no more rumours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 03, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2017, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 01, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
so tyrone spend 7.5 million and rising and peter donnelly has to rent a gym in east tyrone as garvaghey isnt fit for purpose. waco

The players will be travelling to Garvaghy plenty in the upcoming months, gym work is probably better done in smaller groups esp at adult level. It's a bit of an ask to get the players to drive up there for a gym session (bearing in mind there'll be no expenses for that). What harm is being done in a local area when it can suit all, as opposed to being in Ballygawley when some can't make it with work or whatever. Harte and Donnelly have been around the block long enough, if someone at that level isn't doing their gym work....it'll be obvious, where it takes place? Largely irrelevant surely.
Gym work? Watching the lads against Dublin, they might as well have been a bunch of fat men in a wheelchair. The real work next year will on Harte s plate not the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 03, 2017, 05:57:45 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 03, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2017, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 01, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
so tyrone spend 7.5 million and rising and peter donnelly has to rent a gym in east tyrone as garvaghey isnt fit for purpose. waco

The players will be travelling to Garvaghy plenty in the upcoming months, gym work is probably better done in smaller groups esp at adult level. It's a bit of an ask to get the players to drive up there for a gym session (bearing in mind there'll be no expenses for that). What harm is being done in a local area when it can suit all, as opposed to being in Ballygawley when some can't make it with work or whatever. Harte and Donnelly have been around the block long enough, if someone at that level isn't doing their gym work....it'll be obvious, where it takes place? Largely irrelevant surely.
Gym work? Watching the lads against Dublin, they might as well have been a bunch of fat men in a wheelchair. The real work next year will on Harte s plate not the players.

Your parents are very proud of you I'm sure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
Who are the likely newcomers next year?

With Justy and Sean Cavanagh retiring and McGeary in the England next year you would imagine there will be a few places up for grabs.

Grugan and McLaughlin of Omagh might be brought in. Will Tierney be brought back in?

Of last year's u-21s McKernan is the most likely addition. Ruairi Sludden and Mark Kavanagh would be two more options but they wouldn't really give us anything we don't already have.

I'd imagine we'll see 7 or 8 new faces for the O'Fiach and McKenna Cups. There's a good few lads who have been round a few years now without really making much of an impact and they must be questioning things.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on November 03, 2017, 09:04:49 AM
Brendan Burns? Hardly gave mark Bradley or petey harte a kick in the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 03, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
Why would anyone want to join the panel? Train like hell to get a few minutes in ofiach and McKenna cup and then play in house games for the rest of the year whilst not being able to play for your club.
You will get all the heat though and be able to say you are a county player 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 03, 2017, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 03, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2017, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on November 01, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
so tyrone spend 7.5 million and rising and peter donnelly has to rent a gym in east tyrone as garvaghey isnt fit for purpose. waco

The players will be travelling to Garvaghy plenty in the upcoming months, gym work is probably better done in smaller groups esp at adult level. It's a bit of an ask to get the players to drive up there for a gym session (bearing in mind there'll be no expenses for that). What harm is being done in a local area when it can suit all, as opposed to being in Ballygawley when some can't make it with work or whatever. Harte and Donnelly have been around the block long enough, if someone at that level isn't doing their gym work....it'll be obvious, where it takes place? Largely irrelevant surely.
Gym work? Watching the lads against Dublin, they might as well have been a bunch of fat men in a wheelchair. The real work next year will on Harte s plate not the players.

Fermanagh are using a Tyrone club as their training base for the next while as it is more convenient for their travelling players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 03, 2017, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on November 03, 2017, 09:04:49 AM
Brendan Burns? Hardly gave mark Bradley or petey harte a kick in the championship.

certainly worth a look anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 03, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
Who are the likely newcomers next year?

With Justy and Sean Cavanagh retiring and McGeary in the England next year you would imagine there will be a few places up for grabs.

Grugan and McLaughlin of Omagh might be brought in. Will Tierney be brought back in?

Of last year's u-21s McKernan is the most likely addition. Ruairi Sludden and Mark Kavanagh would be two more options but they wouldn't really give us anything we don't already have.

I'd imagine we'll see 7 or 8 new faces for the O'Fiach and McKenna Cups. There's a good few lads who have been round a few years now without really making much of an impact and they must be questioning things.

Just on the lads that have been around for awhile to no breakthrough. Would you say that's an issue for them, or the management? I sometimes wonder myself, you'll hear of lads called into the panel now over the next few weeks to train their hearts out over December and January for very little gametime. Always though the more established players in the squad should be exempt from these pre season cups - Aiden McCrory was lifting it last year I think, did he even need to be there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 03, 2017, 11:12:02 AM
so who are these players whove been there a while but havent really made it?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2017, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: The Trap on November 03, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
Why would anyone want to join the panel? Train like hell to get a few minutes in ofiach and McKenna cup and then play in house games for the rest of the year whilst not being able to play for your club.
You will get all the heat though and be able to say you are a county player

Have they brought a new rule in that you can't play for your club? Unless it's changed you can play ten league games for your club plus championship. It didn't do the omagh lads any harm being in the county panel this year, the killyclogher lads last year or the trillick lads the year before.

I don't think a player should hang around for years if they aren't getting game time. But a player in his first year or two has to have patience to get into the team and get up to the speed and physical level of county football. Some people were saying Hampsey should quit last year and he went on to be a star player this year.

I don't know why some of you lads who have no time for the county spend their days crying on here about one thing or another.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on November 03, 2017, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
Who are the likely newcomers next year?

With Justy and Sean Cavanagh retiring and McGeary in the England next year you would imagine there will be a few places up for grabs.

Grugan and McLaughlin of Omagh might be brought in. Will Tierney be brought back in?

Of last year's u-21s McKernan is the most likely addition. Ruairi Sludden and Mark Kavanagh would be two more options but they wouldn't really give us anything we don't already have.

I'd imagine we'll see 7 or 8 new faces for the O'Fiach and McKenna Cups. There's a good few lads who have been round a few years now without really making much of an impact and they must be questioning things.
Mark Kavanagh. I dont think he was guaranteed his place on the Errigal team at the end of the year. Peter Og took his place in the league final did he not and he was replaced in the County Final fairly early in the second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on November 03, 2017, 03:34:29 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on November 03, 2017, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
Who are the likely newcomers next year?

With Justy and Sean Cavanagh retiring and McGeary in the England next year you would imagine there will be a few places up for grabs.

Grugan and McLaughlin of Omagh might be brought in. Will Tierney be brought back in?

Of last year's u-21s McKernan is the most likely addition. Ruairi Sludden and Mark Kavanagh would be two more options but they wouldn't really give us anything we don't already have.

I'd imagine we'll see 7 or 8 new faces for the O'Fiach and McKenna Cups. There's a good few lads who have been round a few years now without really making much of an impact and they must be questioning things.
Mark Kavanagh. I dont think he was guaranteed his place on the Errigal team at the end of the year. Peter Og took his place in the league final did he not and he was replaced in the County Final fairly early in the second half.

took a position that Mark has very little experience playing in (WHB), think most will agree that he is most dangerous when he is nearer the goals. Errigal got away playing him in HB line during the league as teams dropped their half forwards back which gave him the safety to run forward to good effect, but when he was put on the back front to defend, it was something he wasn't use to and therefore acceptably not the best at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 03, 2017, 08:12:54 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2017, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: The Trap on November 03, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
Why would anyone want to join the panel? Train like hell to get a few minutes in ofiach and McKenna cup and then play in house games for the rest of the year whilst not being able to play for your club.
You will get all the heat though and be able to say you are a county player

Have they brought a new rule in that you can't play for your club? Unless it's changed you can play ten league games for your club plus championship. It didn't do the omagh lads any harm being in the county panel this year, the killyclogher lads last year or the trillick lads the year before.

I don't think a player should hang around for years if they aren't getting game time. But a player in his first year or two has to have patience to get into the team and get up to the speed and physical level of county football. Some people were saying Hampsey should quit last year and he went on to be a star player this year.

I don't know why some of you lads who have no time for the county spend their days crying on here about one thing or another.

Trap u sound like a man that never kicked a ball. Anyone that did it was there dream to play for the county when they were young and fair play to the few that have lived their dream. Just a negative man.
Fair play big colm cavanagh. If he had of listened to u 5/6 years ago there would be no all star. In fact he would have just give up. I hope ure not involved in coaching
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 03, 2017, 08:19:56 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 03, 2017, 08:12:54 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2017, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: The Trap on November 03, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
Why would anyone want to join the panel? Train like hell to get a few minutes in ofiach and McKenna cup and then play in house games for the rest of the year whilst not being able to play for your club.
You will get all the heat though and be able to say you are a county player

Have they brought a new rule in that you can't play for your club? Unless it's changed you can play ten league games for your club plus championship. It didn't do the omagh lads any harm being in the county panel this year, the killyclogher lads last year or the trillick lads the year before.

I don't think a player should hang around for years if they aren't getting game time. But a player in his first year or two has to have patience to get into the team and get up to the speed and physical level of county football. Some people were saying Hampsey should quit last year and he went on to be a star player this year.

I don't know why some of you lads who have no time for the county spend their days crying on here about one thing or another.

Trap u sound like a man that never kicked a ball. Anyone that did it was there dream to play for the county when they were young and fair play to the few that have lived their dream. Just a negative man.
Fair play big colm cavanagh. If he had of listened to u 5/6 years ago there would be no all star. In fact he would have just give up. I hope ure not involved in coaching

Harte will be furious with him for talking to rte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 03, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
Who are the likely newcomers next year?

With Justy and Sean Cavanagh retiring and McGeary in the England next year you would imagine there will be a few places up for grabs.

Grugan and McLaughlin of Omagh might be brought in. Will Tierney be brought back in?

Of last year's u-21s McKernan is the most likely addition. Ruairi Sludden and Mark Kavanagh would be two more options but they wouldn't really give us anything we don't already have.

I'd imagine we'll see 7 or 8 new faces for the O'Fiach and McKenna Cups. There's a good few lads who have been round a few years now without really making much of an impact and they must be questioning things.

Just on the lads that have been around for awhile to no breakthrough. Would you say that's an issue for them, or the management? I sometimes wonder myself, you'll hear of lads called into the panel now over the next few weeks to train their hearts out over December and January for very little gametime. Always though the more established players in the squad should be exempt from these pre season cups - Aiden McCrory was lifting it last year I think, did he even need to be there?

Some players have been given chances and not done a lot with them, others less so.

I think Harte should definitely have given a few lads more opportunities in the league but when it comes to Championship it's pretty much as you were. If the team is playing well it picks itself, up until the Dublin game this year, everyone was pretty much justifying their spot.

I think guys like Paudie McNulty, HP McGeary, McShane, R Donnelly, L Brennan etc are a few who haven't really managed to kick on. Now in fairness to Donnelly, he played all the league last year and started Championship but then an injury curtailed him and it was going to be hard for him to break into the side after missing the league with injury. Hopefully he sticks with it this year and gets a clear run. Loughran, Cassidy, McCullagh, McHugh etc should give it another year but if they don't make the breakthrough this year it would be tough for them.

I hope we don't have any cases of players chucking it after the league, if you sign up for the year you should stick it out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 03, 2017, 08:25:09 PM
Redzone heavily involved in coaching at club level. You might say the players are available for 10 games but you never see them around the club at training so they just come in for games and leave. Unfair on them and the club. If you are a sure starter for the county then brilliant work away. If you are from number 22 up getting little or no game time I don't know what joy there is in it. Even the lads on the panel in 03 05 and 08 who did not get any game time cannot really feel like all ireland winners. So it must be even harder now watching a team getting beat by 20 points in croke park and realising that you are not even close to it!
And I bave seen a few times at close quarters the harm it does to really good club players to get called on to the county panel , used for training games and then sent back to the club after a couple of years.
I am sure it is fantastic for the 20 lads who get regular game time.
When you think about it the lads on the panel from 21 to 35 deserve the most credit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2017, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 03, 2017, 08:25:09 PM
Redzone heavily involved in coaching at club level. You might say the players are available for 10 games but you never see them around the club at training so they just come in for games and leave. Unfair on them and the club. If you are a sure starter for the county then brilliant work away. If you are from number 22 up getting little or no game time I don't know what joy there is in it. Even the lads on the panel in 03 05 and 08 who did not get any game time cannot really feel like all ireland winners. So it must be even harder now watching a team getting beat by 20 points in croke park and realising that you are not even close to it!
And I bave seen a few times at close quarters the harm it does to really good club players to get called on to the county panel , used for training games and then sent back to the club after a couple of years.
I am sure it is fantastic for the 20 lads who get regular game time.
When you think about it the lads on the panel from 21 to 35 deserve the most credit.

It's tough but these lads exist in every county. It works out for some players, others it doesn't. I guess it really depends how much they want it and whether they can get a break and take it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 03, 2017, 08:44:44 PM
congrats to colly cavanagh on his well deserved all star award. a true tyrone gael who never ever lets his county down no matter what. automatic choice for captain next year. maith thu!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 03, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Congratulations to Colm Cavanagh. Well deserved award for a player who has worked incredibly hard to establish himself as a key man for Tyrone. Hopefully a good bit more to come from him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 03, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 03, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Congratulations to Colm Cavanagh. Well deserved award for a player who has worked incredibly hard to establish himself as a key man for Tyrone. Hopefully a good bit more to come from him.

He deserved one but probably at chb or full back because he spent most of his time in those areas. Enda smith and tom parsons were better at midfield this year and are both extremely unlucky.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on November 03, 2017, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 03, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 03, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Congratulations to Colm Cavanagh. Well deserved award for a player who has worked incredibly hard to establish himself as a key man for Tyrone. Hopefully a good bit more to come from him.

He deserved one but probably at chb or full back because he spent most of his time in those areas. Enda smith and tom parsons were better at midfield this year and are both extremely unlucky.

The GAA have for many years nominated players in positions they haven't played in. e.g. Canavan at CHF at expense of Brian McGuigan in 2005.  That in no way detracts from Colm Cavanagh's award. Well done big man!  Tyrone Legend with more to come.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 03, 2017, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 03, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
Who are the likely newcomers next year?

With Justy and Sean Cavanagh retiring and McGeary in the England next year you would imagine there will be a few places up for grabs.

Grugan and McLaughlin of Omagh might be brought in. Will Tierney be brought back in?

Of last year's u-21s McKernan is the most likely addition. Ruairi Sludden and Mark Kavanagh would be two more options but they wouldn't really give us anything we don't already have.

I'd imagine we'll see 7 or 8 new faces for the O'Fiach and McKenna Cups. There's a good few lads who have been round a few years now without really making much of an impact and they must be questioning things.

Just on the lads that have been around for awhile to no breakthrough. Would you say that's an issue for them, or the management? I sometimes wonder myself, you'll hear of lads called into the panel now over the next few weeks to train their hearts out over December and January for very little gametime. Always though the more established players in the squad should be exempt from these pre season cups - Aiden McCrory was lifting it last year I think, did he even need to be there?
Mickey will make sure Aidan mccrory and his other favourites are a constant starter on the Tyrone teamsheet. God forbid some other fella came in, played brilliantly, mccrory may have to be dropped and that wouldn't do! Well done big Colm....on talking to RTE lol. The furhfrer will drop him now lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 03, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 03, 2017, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 03, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 03, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Congratulations to Colm Cavanagh. Well deserved award for a player who has worked incredibly hard to establish himself as a key man for Tyrone. Hopefully a good bit more to come from him.

He deserved one but probably at chb or full back because he spent most of his time in those areas. Enda smith and tom parsons were better at midfield this year and are both extremely unlucky.

The GAA have for many years nominated players in positions they haven't played in. e.g. Canavan at CHF at expense of Brian McGuigan in 2005.  That in no way detracts from Colm Cavanagh's award. Well done big man! Tyrone Legend with more to come.

wonder what qualifies as a Tyrone legend?  Frank Mc Guigan, Peter Canavan, Iggy Jones frank Donnelly legends in my eyes! Colm Cavanagh? don't think so.  Played his best football as a spoiler
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 03, 2017, 11:54:13 PM
Fair play to Cavanagh for getting an All Star. Honestly though, I'm not entirely sure any Tyrone player deserved in there. Just my opinon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2017, 12:41:13 AM
Fully deserved as he was excellent at his job and has been for a while.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 04, 2017, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 03, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 03, 2017, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 03, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 03, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Congratulations to Colm Cavanagh. Well deserved award for a player who has worked incredibly hard to establish himself as a key man for Tyrone. Hopefully a good bit more to come from him.

He deserved one but probably at chb or full back because he spent most of his time in those areas. Enda smith and tom parsons were better at midfield this year and are both extremely unlucky.

The GAA have for many years nominated players in positions they haven't played in. e.g. Canavan at CHF at expense of Brian McGuigan in 2005.  That in no way detracts from Colm Cavanagh's award. Well done big man! Tyrone Legend with more to come.

wonder what qualifies as a Tyrone legend?  Frank Mc Guigan, Peter Canavan, Iggy Jones frank Donnelly legends in my eyes! Colm Cavanagh? don't think so.  Played his best football as a spoiler

Conor Gormley ruled out then as well? Do you have to be a forward to be a legend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 04, 2017, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 03, 2017, 11:32:27 PM

wonder what qualifies as a Tyrone legend?  Frank Mc Guigan, Peter Canavan, Iggy Jones frank Donnelly legends in my eyes! Colm Cavanagh? don't think so.  Played his best football as a spoiler

Can't help but think there's some other reason you think he didn't deserve it.

He's a supper athlete, good luck to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 04, 2017, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: The Trap on November 03, 2017, 08:25:09 PM
Redzone heavily involved in coaching at club level. You might say the players are available for 10 games but you never see them around the club at training so they just come in for games and leave. Unfair on them and the club. If you are a sure starter for the county then brilliant work away. If you are from number 22 up getting little or no game time I don't know what joy there is in it. Even the lads on the panel in 03 05 and 08 who did not get any game time cannot really feel like all ireland winners. So it must be even harder now watching a team getting beat by 20 points in croke park and realising that you are not even close to it!
And I bave seen a few times at close quarters the harm it does to really good club players to get called on to the county panel , used for training games and then sent back to the club after a couple of years.
I am sure it is fantastic for the 20 lads who get regular game time.
When you think about it the lads on the panel from 21 to 35 deserve the most credit.

Your original comment that they'll play in house games all year and won't play for their clubs was wrong. It isn't ideal not being available for the club during the summer but they do get a good run with them in April/May and again come championship.

There is loads of examples to prove being a squad player doesn't have to hold you back with your club. Lee Brennan Rory Brennan and Ritchie Donnelly played a big role in trillick championship win despite limited Tyrone game time. Bradley and Conall McCann played big roles for killyclogher in their championship win despite limited Tyrone time. Same for Meyler with omagh this year. Lee Brennan was the top scorer in division one this year. At intermediate level the pomeroy county lads starred last year despite limited time and harry loughran has delivered for The Moy this year. Ronan McHugh was the second top scorer in division two and had a big part in Aghyaran promotion.

The county lads get access to top training and conditioning and exposure to football at a higher level. It's great outlet for our players to play at the top level. As I said hsmpsey is a good example of someone who had patience last year and pushed this year. I do agree that after a few years if you haven't made it you should consider moving on. But quite often players not playing well being blamed on them being on the county panel is an easy excuse.

It's also good that the our clubs in Tyrone support their players and encourage them to compete st the top level of our games. Seeing players do well at county level can provide a lot of pride for our clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 04, 2017, 09:41:21 AM
A supper athlete. I think ive finally found a phrase thats fits me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 04, 2017, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 04, 2017, 09:41:21 AM
A supper athlete. I think ive finally found a phrase thats fits me

;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 04, 2017, 12:13:52 PM
Lee and Ruari Brennan and Richie Donnelly earned their call outs because they were outstanding for trillick. Have they improved because they went to tyrone training? You could argue they have went backwards especially the Brennan lads.
Take omagh who won the county title. Meyer was very good as he was with st marys but doesnt get a look in. I just can't see Ronan oneill ever being in the condition to start for tyrone and he hasn't made any progress in all his years in the panel. Conor Clarke was ruined by county football. Tierney earned a county call up last time omagh won the championship. Got a few runs and was embarrassed in kerry when left all day on James odonoghue and has not been the same player since. Poor justy stayed one last year and never got a minute and ended up couldn't even make the omagh team through lack of football.
Ronan McHugh Harry Loughran and cahir mccullagh were all in excellent form for the club before they went to county training and I am sure the first 2 especially will stay on as they might get a chance. They have the raw talent so it is up to the county mgmt to bring them on.
In reality though you could say that if fit mcaliskey will take the place of big Sean and the rest will stay more or less the same come the big games next year.
After all a lot of people think tyrone Tyrone were not too far away this year.
And to the reds on here I am just aa much bigger advocate of the club than the county. And that is all clubs. When you look at the most successful club teams like cross slaughtneil and kilcoo they all put club before county. Even in tyrone some of our most successful clubs like clonoe and carrickmore do likewise.
It wasn't always like this for me. When I played in the 80s and 90s our county men trained with us most of the time, even played in challenge games and tournament matches.
Somewhere along the way this has changed and to me that is at the detriment of the game.
And it is only going to get worse next year with the new fixtures schedule and u20s played in the summer.
And redzone if you ever managed a team that had county players at all age levels but not the biggest squad you would be frustrated to.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 04, 2017, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 04, 2017, 12:13:52 PM
Lee and Ruari Brennan and Richie Donnelly earned their call outs because they were outstanding for trillick. Have they improved because they went to tyrone training? You could argue they have went backwards especially the Brennan lads.
Take omagh who won the county title. Meyer was very good as he was with st marys but doesnt get a look in. I just can't see Ronan oneill ever being in the condition to start for tyrone and he hasn't made any progress in all his years in the panel. Conor Clarke was ruined by county football. Tierney earned a county call up last time omagh won the championship. Got a few runs and was embarrassed in kerry when left all day on James odonoghue and has not been the same player since. Poor justy stayed one last year and never got a minute and ended up couldn't even make the omagh team through lack of football.
Ronan McHugh Harry Loughran and cahir mccullagh were all in excellent form for the club before they went to county training and I am sure the first 2 especially will stay on as they might get a chance. They have the raw talent so it is up to the county mgmt to bring them on.
In reality though you could say that if fit mcaliskey will take the place of big Sean and the rest will stay more or less the same come the big games next year.
After all a lot of people think tyrone Tyrone were not too far away this year.
And to the reds on here I am just aa much bigger advocate of the club than the county. And that is all clubs. When you look at the most successful club teams like cross slaughtneil and kilcoo they all put club before county. Even in tyrone some of our most successful clubs like clonoe and carrickmore do likewise.
It wasn't always like this for me. When I played in the 80s and 90s our county men trained with us most of the time, even played in challenge games and tournament matches.
Somewhere along the way this has changed and to me that is at the detriment of the game.
And it is only going to get worse next year with the new fixtures schedule and u20s played in the summer.
And redzone if you ever managed a team that had county players at all age levels but not the biggest squad you would be frustrated to.

Conor Clarke was ruined by an injury he sustained during club action and rushing himself back too soon from surgery to play for his club in the Ulster Club.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 04, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 04, 2017, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 04, 2017, 12:13:52 PM
Lee and Ruari Brennan and Richie Donnelly earned their call outs because they were outstanding for trillick. Have they improved because they went to tyrone training? You could argue they have went backwards especially the Brennan lads.
Take omagh who won the county title. Meyer was very good as he was with st marys but doesnt get a look in. I just can't see Ronan oneill ever being in the condition to start for tyrone and he hasn't made any progress in all his years in the panel. Conor Clarke was ruined by county football. Tierney earned a county call up last time omagh won the championship. Got a few runs and was embarrassed in kerry when left all day on James odonoghue and has not been the same player since. Poor justy stayed one last year and never got a minute and ended up couldn't even make the omagh team through lack of football.
Ronan McHugh Harry Loughran and cahir mccullagh were all in excellent form for the club before they went to county training and I am sure the first 2 especially will stay on as they might get a chance. They have the raw talent so it is up to the county mgmt to bring them on.
In reality though you could say that if fit mcaliskey will take the place of big Sean and the rest will stay more or less the same come the big games next year.
After all a lot of people think tyrone Tyrone were not too far away this year.
And to the reds on here I am just aa much bigger advocate of the club than the county. And that is all clubs. When you look at the most successful club teams like cross slaughtneil and kilcoo they all put club before county. Even in tyrone some of our most successful clubs like clonoe and carrickmore do likewise.
It wasn't always like this for me. When I played in the 80s and 90s our county men trained with us most of the time, even played in challenge games and tournament matches.
Somewhere along the way this has changed and to me that is at the detriment of the game.
And it is only going to get worse next year with the new fixtures schedule and u20s played in the summer.
And redzone if you ever managed a team that had county players at all age levels but not the biggest squad you would be frustrated to.

Conor Clarke was ruined by an injury he sustained during club action and rushing himself back too soon from surgery to play for his club in the Ulster Club.

You are a fool. Actually I'm doing fools an injustice. You are much worse than that. Enda Mc Ginlay was back playing football from a cruciate injury quicker than Conor Clarke was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 05, 2017, 07:43:50 AM
Quote from: In hiding on November 04, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 04, 2017, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 04, 2017, 12:13:52 PM
Lee and Ruari Brennan and Richie Donnelly earned their call outs because they were outstanding for trillick. Have they improved because they went to tyrone training? You could argue they have went backwards especially the Brennan lads.
Take omagh who won the county title. Meyer was very good as he was with st marys but doesnt get a look in. I just can't see Ronan oneill ever being in the condition to start for tyrone and he hasn't made any progress in all his years in the panel. Conor Clarke was ruined by county football. Tierney earned a county call up last time omagh won the championship. Got a few runs and was embarrassed in kerry when left all day on James odonoghue and has not been the same player since. Poor justy stayed one last year and never got a minute and ended up couldn't even make the omagh team through lack of football.
Ronan McHugh Harry Loughran and cahir mccullagh were all in excellent form for the club before they went to county training and I am sure the first 2 especially will stay on as they might get a chance. They have the raw talent so it is up to the county mgmt to bring them on.
In reality though you could say that if fit mcaliskey will take the place of big Sean and the rest will stay more or less the same come the big games next year.
After all a lot of people think tyrone Tyrone were not too far away this year.
And to the reds on here I am just aa much bigger advocate of the club than the county. And that is all clubs. When you look at the most successful club teams like cross slaughtneil and kilcoo they all put club before county. Even in tyrone some of our most successful clubs like clonoe and carrickmore do likewise.
It wasn't always like this for me. When I played in the 80s and 90s our county men trained with us most of the time, even played in challenge games and tournament matches.
Somewhere along the way this has changed and to me that is at the detriment of the game.
And it is only going to get worse next year with the new fixtures schedule and u20s played in the summer.
And redzone if you ever managed a team that had county players at all age levels but not the biggest squad you would be frustrated to.

Conor Clarke was ruined by an injury he sustained during club action and rushing himself back too soon from surgery to play for his club in the Ulster Club.

You are a fool. Actually I'm doing fools an injustice. You are much worse than that. Enda Mc Ginlay was back playing football from a cruciate injury quicker than Conor Clarke was.

Conor Clarke sustained a cruciate injury playing for his club and was back in club action 5 months later.

He hasn't looked anywhere near the same player since that injury. I think it's utterly bizarre to blame county football for an injury Clarke sustained with his club and came back from too quickly to play for his club.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 05, 2017, 09:36:52 AM
No point talking facts like that on here bomber when it doesn't suit the agenda. Every player who gets injured or doesn't make it is down to Mickey harte. Any player who happens to make it is as a result of luck.

I'm a huge fan of club football but think the county game has a place too and gets a hard time on here. I assume it won't be too long now before a squad is out in place for the McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 05, 2017, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 05, 2017, 09:36:52 AM
No point talking facts like that on here bomber when it doesn't suit the agenda. Every player who gets injured or doesn't make it is down to Mickey harte. Any player who happens to make it is as a result of luck.

I'm a huge fan of club football but think the county game has a place too and gets a hard time on here. I assume it won't be too long now before a squad is out in place for the McKenna cup.

You lads give out about people with agendas.
Unbelievable
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 05, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 04, 2017, 12:13:52 PM
Lee and Ruari Brennan and Richie Donnelly earned their call outs because they were outstanding for trillick. Have they improved because they went to tyrone training? You could argue they have went backwards especially the Brennan lads.
Take omagh who won the county title. Meyer was very good as he was with st marys but doesnt get a look in. I just can't see Ronan oneill ever being in the condition to start for tyrone and he hasn't made any progress in all his years in the panel. Conor Clarke was ruined by county football. Tierney earned a county call up last time omagh won the championship. Got a few runs and was embarrassed in kerry when left all day on James odonoghue and has not been the same player since. Poor justy stayed one last year and never got a minute and ended up couldn't even make the omagh team through lack of football.
Ronan McHugh Harry Loughran and cahir mccullagh were all in excellent form for the club before they went to county training and I am sure the first 2 especially will stay on as they might get a chance. They have the raw talent so it is up to the county mgmt to bring them on.
In reality though you could say that if fit mcaliskey will take the place of big Sean and the rest will stay more or less the same come the big games next year.
After all a lot of people think tyrone Tyrone were not too far away this year.
And to the reds on here I am just aa much bigger advocate of the club than the county. And that is all clubs. When you look at the most successful club teams like cross slaughtneil and kilcoo they all put club before county. Even in tyrone some of our most successful clubs like clonoe and carrickmore do likewise.
It wasn't always like this for me. When I played in the 80s and 90s our county men trained with us most of the time, even played in challenge games and tournament matches.
Somewhere along the way this has changed and to me that is at the detriment of the game.
And it is only going to get worse next year with the new fixtures schedule and u20s played in the summer.
And redzone if you ever managed a team that had county players at all age levels but not the biggest squad you would be frustrated to.

Despite the yaps, I agree 100% with what's highlighted above
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 05, 2017, 02:58:08 PM
Of course there will be boys that will regress a bit.You have to be at a high level before u get on the squad, then u realise that everyone else is fighting for a starting place too. You either make or u don't. Nobody makes u stay on the panel. These fellas want to do it. You get your chance in the in house games. For a lot of players there is only one way after the call up and that is backwards when the realise they aren't has good as they thought they were and there dream is over. It's hardly hartes problem that they aren't as good as was thought.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 05, 2017, 02:59:10 PM
There are examples of bright prospects up and down the country not making it. Whether that be club or county football. You lads just have a very black and white view of the problem. You ignore the likes of hampsey and Sludden pushing on to be key players but will pick out the players who haven't made it and blame that on the county set up. You argue that county football has ruined all the squad players as club players but will happily ignore all the examples I gave of squad players starring for their clubs in recent years.

It's a bit early to say Lee Brennan has gone backwards. Back in 2015 he wasn't making the u21 team at the start of the year. This year he was the top scorer in division one despite missing 5 games. I don't think he was ready for county football yet and the next few years will determine whether he makes it.

Someone who is 26 plus and has been with the county squad a few years without making it should definitely consider walking away. But the younger lads should be given the time to develop without being subject to this constant talk of them being ruined for trying to play at the top of the game for a team they've no doubt grown up suppprting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 05, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 05, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 04, 2017, 12:13:52 PM
Lee and Ruari Brennan and Richie Donnelly earned their call outs because they were outstanding for trillick. Have they improved because they went to tyrone training? You could argue they have went backwards especially the Brennan lads.
Take omagh who won the county title. Meyer was very good as he was with st marys but doesnt get a look in. I just can't see Ronan oneill ever being in the condition to start for tyrone and he hasn't made any progress in all his years in the panel. Conor Clarke was ruined by county football. Tierney earned a county call up last time omagh won the championship. Got a few runs and was embarrassed in kerry when left all day on James odonoghue and has not been the same player since. Poor justy stayed one last year and never got a minute and ended up couldn't even make the omagh team through lack of football.
Ronan McHugh Harry Loughran and cahir mccullagh were all in excellent form for the club before they went to county training and I am sure the first 2 especially will stay on as they might get a chance. They have the raw talent so it is up to the county mgmt to bring them on.
In reality though you could say that if fit mcaliskey will take the place of big Sean and the rest will stay more or less the same come the big games next year.
After all a lot of people think tyrone Tyrone were not too far away this year.
And to the reds on here I am just aa much bigger advocate of the club than the county. And that is all clubs. When you look at the most successful club teams like cross slaughtneil and kilcoo they all put club before county. Even in tyrone some of our most successful clubs like clonoe and carrickmore do likewise.
It wasn't always like this for me. When I played in the 80s and 90s our county men trained with us most of the time, even played in challenge games and tournament matches.
Somewhere along the way this has changed and to me that is at the detriment of the game.
And it is only going to get worse next year with the new fixtures schedule and u20s played in the summer.
And redzone if you ever managed a team that had county players at all age levels but not the biggest squad you would be frustrated to.

Despite the yaps, I agree 100% with what's highlighted above

Just to clear a few things up above which is a perfect of example of the inaccuracies thrown out. Barry Tierney got called up to the Tyrone panel prior to omagh winning the championship. He got the roasting by o'donoghue in 2014. He wasn't disregarded after that and went on to start in that year's championship and indeed in the 2015 championship for Tyrone. He was a member of the Tyrone panel at the time of starring in the Tyrone championship win for omagh and run to the Ulster final. He pulled out of the Tyrone panel last year due to working away and if anything his form has dipped since then,

Justy McMahon was injured for a lot of the year and never got a run going to get in a position to make the team. He has also been struggling for injuries with omagh. Unfortunately this has been an issue with just throughout his career and I don't think the county management are to blame, happens plenty of players. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 05, 2017, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 05, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 05, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 04, 2017, 12:13:52 PM
Lee and Ruari Brennan and Richie Donnelly earned their call outs because they were outstanding for trillick. Have they improved because they went to tyrone training? You could argue they have went backwards especially the Brennan lads.
Take omagh who won the county title. Meyer was very good as he was with st marys but doesnt get a look in. I just can't see Ronan oneill ever being in the condition to start for tyrone and he hasn't made any progress in all his years in the panel. Conor Clarke was ruined by county football. Tierney earned a county call up last time omagh won the championship. Got a few runs and was embarrassed in kerry when left all day on James odonoghue and has not been the same player since. Poor justy stayed one last year and never got a minute and ended up couldn't even make the omagh team through lack of football.
Ronan McHugh Harry Loughran and cahir mccullagh were all in excellent form for the club before they went to county training and I am sure the first 2 especially will stay on as they might get a chance. They have the raw talent so it is up to the county mgmt to bring them on.
In reality though you could say that if fit mcaliskey will take the place of big Sean and the rest will stay more or less the same come the big games next year.
After all a lot of people think tyrone Tyrone were not too far away this year.
And to the reds on here I am just aa much bigger advocate of the club than the county. And that is all clubs. When you look at the most successful club teams like cross slaughtneil and kilcoo they all put club before county. Even in tyrone some of our most successful clubs like clonoe and carrickmore do likewise.
It wasn't always like this for me. When I played in the 80s and 90s our county men trained with us most of the time, even played in challenge games and tournament matches.
Somewhere along the way this has changed and to me that is at the detriment of the game.
And it is only going to get worse next year with the new fixtures schedule and u20s played in the summer.
And redzone if you ever managed a team that had county players at all age levels but not the biggest squad you would be frustrated to.

Despite the yaps, I agree 100% with what's highlighted above

Just to clear a few things up above which is a perfect of example of the inaccuracies thrown out. Barry Tierney got called up to the Tyrone panel prior to omagh winning the championship. He got the roasting by o'donoghue in 2014. He wasn't disregarded after that and went on to start in that year's championship and indeed in the 2015 championship for Tyrone. He was a member of the Tyrone panel at the time of starring in the Tyrone championship win for omagh and run to the Ulster final. He pulled out of the Tyrone panel last year due to working away and if anything his form has dipped since then,

Justy McMahon was injured for a lot of the year and never got a run going to get in a position to make the team. He has also been struggling for injuries with omagh. Unfortunately this has been an issue with just throughout his career and I don't think the county management are to blame, happens plenty of players.
People on here need to realise something very important.

The county management are not to blame for anything. All players are expendable and if leave the county panel a worse player than when you joined it is your fault because you didn't try hard enough. Can't blame county management, sure you leave any time you want
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 05, 2017, 05:46:50 PM
It's not that thet didn't try hard enough u muppet. They have waited their lives for the chance. It's because they aren't good enough. Wake up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 05, 2017, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2017, 05:46:50 PM
It's not that thet didn't try hard enough u muppet. They have waited their lives for the chance. It's because they aren't good enough. Wake up

Can you read? Are you stupid or just missing the point on purpose. You are saying some lads leave the county panel worse footballers than when they joined because they are not good enough. Some men here are in such a hurry to defend everything  county related that they don't even read the posts first.
Good job it's only eejits like ourselves who actually bother with this carry on. What amazes me most is why your crap annoys me enough to argue
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 05, 2017, 07:11:43 PM
any man that makes the Tyrone squad as done so on merit. He has busted his gut to get that far. If he makes it he's good enough,if he doesn't make it then hard luck. Now f**k off u muppet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 05, 2017, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2017, 07:11:43 PM
any man that makes the Tyrone squad as done so on merit. He has busted his gut to get that far. If he makes it he's good enough,if he doesn't make it then hard luck. Now f**k off u muppet

Some "squad players" have made it to the Panel only to see MH stick with less talented players, namely AMcC

Hard to stick around then
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 05, 2017, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 05, 2017, 07:11:43 PM
any man that makes the Tyrone squad as done so on merit. He has busted his gut to get that far. If he makes it he's good enough,if he doesn't make it then hard luck. Now f**k off u muppet

For the last time. The discussion was about why fringe players on the county panel return to their clubs lesser players on leaving the panel than when they joined.
Your last post is typical of stupid people.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 05, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
Hold on a minute guys let's just get down to what the real issue is here. Two of the most "capped" players in the Tyrone squad are Peter Harte and Aidan Mccrory. Are these two players some of the best players in Tyrone for the past ten years? People need to really waken up on this. Postcode lottery if truth be told.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 05, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
Hold on a minute guys let's just get down to what the real issue is here. Two of the most "capped" players in the Tyrone squad are Peter Harte and Aidan Mccrory. Are these two players some of the best players in Tyrone for the past ten years? People need to really waken up on this. Postcode lottery if truth be told.

I actually understand your point bigdog, but using Peter Harte in the same sentence as Aidan McCrory with regards to a postcode lottery is just wrong. Petey is 1 of the most talented players in Ireland and would make any other county team. Imagine the star he would be if he played for Dublin in a Ciaran Kilkenny or Con O'Callaghan role.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 06, 2017, 05:15:20 PM
So many derogatory comments about a Tyrone player on this thread, isn't the way to go. I remember Colm Cavanagh used to get the same probably by many of the same boys now congratulating him and praising him for deserved All Star...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 05:26:47 PM
But i do think Colm was a bit of an enigma. He probably only got as many chances as he did because he was Sean's brother, but to be fair to him he took his extra chances (eventually) with both hands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 06, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
must say i always liked colly cavanagh, not the most stylish footballer but had enough ability and a great attitude. was always  goin to make it and i was never sure why people were maybe hard on him early on. won an all ireland minor in 04 to dont forget.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 08:45:43 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 05, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
Hold on a minute guys let's just get down to what the real issue is here. Two of the most "capped" players in the Tyrone squad are Peter Harte and Aidan Mccrory. Are these two players some of the best players in Tyrone for the past ten years? People need to really waken up on this. Postcode lottery if truth be told.

I actually understand your point bigdog, but using Peter Harte in the same sentence as Aidan McCrory with regards to a postcode lottery is just wrong. Petey is 1 of the most talented players in Ireland and would make any other county team. Imagine the star he would be if he played for Dublin in a Ciaran Kilkenny or Con O'Callaghan role.
Peter Harte wouldn't get on the Dublin team for the simple reason Dublin's open style would show him up for his limitations. Petey needs a free role so doesn't have to worry about doing the unsavoury elements of Gaelic football, that's why Mickey uses the blanket defence to suit him. Any ideas that the boss will get rid of it you can forget about it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 08:45:43 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 05, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
Hold on a minute guys let's just get down to what the real issue is here. Two of the most "capped" players in the Tyrone squad are Peter Harte and Aidan Mccrory. Are these two players some of the best players in Tyrone for the past ten years? People need to really waken up on this. Postcode lottery if truth be told.

I actually understand your point bigdog, but using Peter Harte in the same sentence as Aidan McCrory with regards to a postcode lottery is just wrong. Petey is 1 of the most talented players in Ireland and would make any other county team. Imagine the star he would be if he played for Dublin in a Ciaran Kilkenny or Con O'Callaghan role.
Peter Harte wouldn't get on the Dublin team for the simple reason Dublin's open style would show him up for his limitations. Petey needs a free role so doesn't have to worry about doing the unsavoury elements of Gaelic football, that's why Mickey uses the blanket defence to suit him. Any ideas that the boss will get rid of it you can forget about it!

That is complete utter nonsense, if let play in an attacking set-up Harte would be an integral part of the Dublin. I'd even suggest that he would be the only Tyrone player who would make the Dublin team. If you don't like his uncle fine, but don't let that blinker your assessment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on November 06, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
Thebigdog it's time to delete your account and step away from the keyboard.
Peter Harte he said  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 09:13:12 PM
Have you noticed Petey didn't get picked for the international rules this time around? This doesn't surprise me at all considering the Aussies threw him around croke park like a rag doll. Also cast your mind back to the Ulster final last year when Ryan McHugh ran at him and Harte couldn't handle it. Second half arrived and Pete was put into midfield to free himself up. Anyone else would have been hauled off. Peter Harte needs the blanket just like Mattie Donnelly who looks very lazy and cumbersome at times when playing for Tyrone. These Tyrone players, if they have any ambition need to seriously get the finger out and man up. Something in the lines of this year's All Ireland final an example of what's required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
Peter Harte is a quality footballer and I would love to see him playing at no 7 in an attack minded team, something along these lines:
                N morgan
R Brennan P Hampsey R MCNAmee
T MCCann F BUrns P Harte
           C Cavanagh
           M Donnelly
c meyler KMcGeary R DOnnelly
m Bradley C mcaliskey n sludden

With lee Brennan D Mulgrew and mccurry coming on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: DEL on November 06, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
Thebigdog it's time to delete your account and step away from the keyboard.
Peter Harte he said  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
Peter Harte is a quality footballer and I would love to see him playing at no 7 in an attack minded team, something along these lines:
                N morgan
R Brennan P Hampsey R MCNAmee
T MCCann F BUrns P Harte
           C Cavanagh
           M Donnelly
c meyler KMcGeary R DOnnelly
m Bradley C mcaliskey n sludden

With lee Brennan D Mulgrew and mccurry coming on
in fairness that looks like a team and system we could go and look at. See how simple it is too pick a team and they say only MH knows how to manage Tyrone. Unfortunately this line up will not happen for at least three years at least.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: DEL on November 06, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
Thebigdog it's time to delete your account and step away from the keyboard.
Peter Harte he said  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
Peter Harte is a quality footballer and I would love to see him playing at no 7 in an attack minded team, something along these lines:
                N morgan
R Brennan P Hampsey R MCNAmee
T MCCann F BUrns P Harte
           C Cavanagh
           M Donnelly
c meyler KMcGeary R DOnnelly
m Bradley C mcaliskey n sludden

With lee Brennan D Mulgrew and mccurry coming on
in fairness that looks like a team and system we could go and look at. See how simple it is too pick a team and they say only MH knows how to manage Tyrone. Unfortunately this line up will not happen for at least three years at least.

So thats a team we should look at bigdog? Even though Harte is lined out as a defender? And you think he can't handle unsavoury stuff but think he should be lined out as a defender? That name is a division 2 team. At least 7 of them out of position...clueless trolls
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 09:51:58 PM
7 out of position????
Well Morgan is a keeper.
Brennan has played corner back for uuj
Hampsey was full back on u21 all Ireland winning team
MCNAmee more a corner back than full back
McCann and Harte attacking half backs with great engines
Burns centre back on all Ireland u21 team and great on the ball ( can take frees too)
Cavanagh defensive midfielder
Donnelly attacking midfielder
Meyler and mcgeary won sigerson this year in these positions
Donnelly played underage and for uuj at wing forward
Bradley is a corner forward
Mcaliskey up along with Bradley
Sludden drifting out the pitch as he can play half forward/half back and add to a great running team with 2 up front to hit
Cavanagh playing his role with legs all around the middle 8 to defend and attack.

I thought it wasn't too bad myself
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 06, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
peter harte is not a half back. we need half backs who can mark their man but be good enough to play out from the back and kick the ball forward. neither mc cann or harte will be any use in half back if we want to play more attacking football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 10:02:04 PM
Peter Harte can do all of that. He played one of the best passes I seen all year in the county final. And to say that McCann and Harte at half back is not attacking........I would not like to be marking either of them as a half forward if I was one on one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on November 06, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Harte declined the offer to go to Australia.
But sure make up a story that suits you.  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 06, 2017, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 10:02:04 PM
Peter Harte can do all of that. He played one of the best passes I seen all year in the county final. And to say that McCann and Harte at half back is not attacking........I would not like to be marking either of them as a half forward if I was one on one.
yeah but what happens when they both have to mark really good wing half forwards? they will be over run. half backs need to defend first and attack second
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 09:51:58 PM
7 out of position????
Well Morgan is a keeper.
Brennan has played corner back for uuj
Hampsey was full back on u21 all Ireland winning team
MCNAmee more a corner back than full back
McCann and Harte attacking half backs with great engines
Burns centre back on all Ireland u21 team and great on the ball ( can take frees too)
Cavanagh defensive midfielder
Donnelly attacking midfielder
Meyler and mcgeary won sigerson this year in these positions
Donnelly played underage and for uuj at wing forward
Bradley is a corner forward
Mcaliskey up along with Bradley
Sludden drifting out the pitch as he can play half forward/half back and add to a great running team with 2 up front to hit
Cavanagh playing his role with legs all around the middle 8 to defend and attack.

I thought it wasn't too bad myself
oh I read it wrong, you're playing the same system? My mistake. Then its all wrong
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 10:08:42 PM
I think they would do well but that is only an opinion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 06, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
no harm in having an opinion. mc cann just wont count against the big teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: DEL on November 06, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
Thebigdog it's time to delete your account and step away from the keyboard.
Peter Harte he said  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
Peter Harte is a quality footballer and I would love to see him playing at no 7 in an attack minded team, something along these lines:
                N morgan
R Brennan P Hampsey R MCNAmee
T MCCann F BUrns P Harte
           C Cavanagh
           M Donnelly
c meyler KMcGeary R DOnnelly
m Bradley C mcaliskey n sludden

With lee Brennan D Mulgrew and mccurry coming on
in fairness that looks like a team and system we could go and look at. See how simple it is too pick a team and they say only MH knows how to manage Tyrone. Unfortunately this line up will not happen for at least three years at least.

So thats a team we should look at bigdog? Even though Harte is lined out as a defender? And you think he can't handle unsavoury stuff but think he should be lined out as a defender? That name is a division 2 team. At least 7 of them out of position...clueless trolls
your the one who's a troll, talking down others. If you have nothing intelligent to add to the debate just do one. Any way Pete at number seven would be a weakness alright. He would be too easily bullied and marked out of it. Going man to man especially at a intercounty level is about going to war.  Tyrone won All Ireland's going to war anything else is a crock of shit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 10:55:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 06, 2017, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 06, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: DEL on November 06, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
Thebigdog it's time to delete your account and step away from the keyboard.
Peter Harte he said  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
Peter Harte is a quality footballer and I would love to see him playing at no 7 in an attack minded team, something along these lines:
                N morgan
R Brennan P Hampsey R MCNAmee
T MCCann F BUrns P Harte
           C Cavanagh
           M Donnelly
c meyler KMcGeary R DOnnelly
m Bradley C mcaliskey n sludden

With lee Brennan D Mulgrew and mccurry coming on
in fairness that looks like a team and system we could go and look at. See how simple it is too pick a team and they say only MH knows how to manage Tyrone. Unfortunately this line up will not happen for at least three years at least.

So thats a team we should look at bigdog? Even though Harte is lined out as a defender? And you think he can't handle unsavoury stuff but think he should be lined out as a defender? That name is a division 2 team. At least 7 of them out of position...clueless trolls
your the one who's a troll, talking down others. If you have nothing intelligent to add to the debate just do one. Any way Pete at number seven would be a weakness alright. He would be too easily bullied and marked out of it. Going man to man especially at a intercounty level is about going to war.  Tyrone won All Ireland's going to war anything else is a crock of shit.

Jesus I was only joking.
                  Morgan
Cassidy       McNamee      Hampsey
McCann       McNabb         Brennan
                M Donnelly
                C Cavanagh
Meyler/Mulgrew           Harte            Sludden
McAliskey          Bradley           Ronan O'Neill

Play more fundamental a la Mayo. Move defenders round to man mark whoever is necessary. Play at least 4 forwards up top. If Andy Moran can win POTY at 40, surely we can train our most natural forward (O'Neill) to be an all-star? No more constant sweeper or packing the box with 8 men, didn't work. Hammer the hammer with the dubs, matty on mccarthy, cavanagh on fenton, mcnabb against o'callaghan. Go out and play. But get our best 15 on the field to win, not our best 15 on the field not to lose.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 10:55:34 PM
Well my thinking is that ciaran Kilkenny could do what he liked against Tyrone but I am not so sure how he would get on trying to run after Pete Harte. And I also think that Harte could mark him if given that role, just as Lee keegan did.
I agree on the man on man going to war bit. In the club championship games like trillick v coalisland and pomeroy v clonoe showed that the Tyrone lads can go man to man.
But man to man in a Dublin kind of way post to he Donegal game in 2014 with Cavanagh doing the cian O'Sullivan role.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 07, 2017, 07:16:23 AM
the problem is colm cavnagh lacks pace and cant pass the ball like cian o sullivan. i do like the idea of more than one forward though that might cause the hoss a problem with taking away one of his 13 defenders. the three best teams in the country dublin mayo and slaughtneil are built on defenders who can defend their own square who have pace to get themselves out of trouble if cornered and can make a bloody tackle. now if the mickey taker could get away from donegal 2012 set up and get someone to communicate to the players that they are capable of defending on their own we might move forward. id get caroline currid back in as she appeared to work mircales with the team in 2008. at least she can communicate.
it will be a major challenge for the same set up after the physical battering and pyschological damage dublin have inflicted. many of the tyrone players will look at the same tired old set up again this year and think why bother.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2017, 07:18:28 AM
Quote from: The Trap on November 06, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
Peter Harte is a quality footballer and I would love to see him playing at no 7 in an attack minded team, something along these lines:
                N morgan
R Brennan P Hampsey R MCNAmee
T MCCann F BUrns P Harte
           C Cavanagh
           M Donnelly
c meyler KMcGeary R DOnnelly
m Bradley C mcaliskey n sludden

With lee Brennan D Mulgrew and mccurry coming on

Very small and light in that forward line which is a problem for us irrespective of which players we choose in the squad right now.

I hope Rory Brennan and Cassidy get tried out at corner back this year, McCarron's legs seem to be going and they have great pace and tenacity so might be more suited if we're going to leave the defence a little more exposed next year. Would prefer leave Hamspey at 6 as he was excelling further out the pitch last year.

Would definitely be trying to find a place for McClure in the starting side as he impressed greatly last year any time he played.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2017, 03:36:47 PM
Best of luck to Moy this weekend.

Could actually be a bit of a blessing in disguise if they win Ulster this year. Colm Cavanagh has been instrumental for us over the past few years and if anything happens to him then we could be in bother with the system we play so playing the opening league games and McKenna Cup without him involved would help answer a few questions for the side and come up with a contingency.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 07, 2017, 04:56:53 PM
Valid point. If Moy are to progress you would imagine Colm would be committed to the club and have to miss the McKenna cup and possibly the early league rounds. This might force MH into looking at other systems or options to partner Colm. I've heard it mentioned Colm is a full back, I understand he has that physical presence but I wouldn't fancy him Man marking a top forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2017, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 07, 2017, 04:56:53 PM
Valid point. If Moy are to progress you would imagine Colm would be committed to the club and have to miss the McKenna cup and possibly the early league rounds. This might force MH into looking at other systems or options to partner Colm. I've heard it mentioned Colm is a full back, I understand he has that physical presence but I wouldn't fancy him Man marking a top forward.

Agreed, he is superb in the role he carries out. By far and away our most important player with the way we play at present. His best position is as a midfielder, he's a real warrior who will give you everything, he's very mobile for a big man, he's a great fielder and if we do change tactics then he'll still be automatic starter at midfield, whether he will be as influential as he is in his current role is a different question.

I don't think he is a full back, many people are caught under the illusion he could do a job there because he protects the square well but I think he could be a bit rash and caught out by the movement of some top forwards to play as a man marker back there.

I thought he had a great year in 2013 when himself and Sean played as traditional midfielders for Tyrone, his footballing ability has come on leaps and bounds so I wouldn't have any worries about him as a traditional midfielder.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 07, 2017, 05:42:58 PM
Also be interesting to see who will be named as captain. Who are the candidates? Cavanagh or Donnelly look to be the most obvious.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 07, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
Peter Harte be the most likely candidate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 06:56:30 PM
I think it should be Mattie Donnelly but most likely will be Petey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 07, 2017, 07:02:03 PM
Colly Cavanagh is the only man with the leadership to be captain. End of. Where was Mattie Donnelly or peter Harte against Dublin when we needed leadership?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 07, 2017, 07:02:03 PM
Colly Cavanagh is the only man with the leadership to be captain. End of. Where was Mattie Donnelly or peter Harte against Dublin when we needed leadership?

That's like asking where was Colly when O'Callaghan was waltzing through our D (where Cavanagh is supposed to the be theee sweeper)? Mistakes happen, players have bad games make poor decisions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 07, 2017, 07:47:13 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 07, 2017, 07:02:03 PM
Colly Cavanagh is the only man with the leadership to be captain. End of. Where was Mattie Donnelly or peter Harte against Dublin when we needed leadership?

That's like asking where was Colly when O'Callaghan was waltzing through our D (where Cavanagh is supposed to the be theee sweeper)? Mistakes happen, players have bad games make poor decisions.
what's that got to do with leadership you goon? O callagan walked past mc namee while mc cann and mc Crory were marking'space'. Hardly fuckin Colm cavanaghs fault.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 07:52:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 07, 2017, 07:47:13 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 07, 2017, 07:02:03 PM
Colly Cavanagh is the only man with the leadership to be captain. End of. Where was Mattie Donnelly or peter Harte against Dublin when we needed leadership?

That's like asking where was Colly when O'Callaghan was waltzing through our D (where Cavanagh is supposed to the be theee sweeper)? Mistakes happen, players have bad games make poor decisions.
what's that got to do with leadership you goon? O callagan walked past mc namee while mc cann and mc Crory were marking'space'. Hardly fuckin Colm cavanaghs fault.

Just read your posts STG. Sorry, didn't realise you hated the Harte's and Errigal as much. Just means we can't have a non-biased discussion. I'm still learning the ropes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 07, 2017, 07:56:23 PM
Blaming Colm cavanagh for the Dublin goal lol. The man was putting fires out all over the place and you are seriously blaming him for the goal?? Sludden unfortunately lost the ball but it was Mccrory s pathetic attempt at a block was what really took the biscuit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 07, 2017, 08:01:13 PM
I'm not blaming him for the goal, I just said that that asking where Donnelly or Harte were against Dublin was akin to asking where Colly was for the goal. I'm aware of who gave the ball away. I'm also aware of who is supposed to be where when the opposition is attacking. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 07, 2017, 08:01:45 PM
I never mentioned the hartes or errigal. All I'm sayin is that it will be a disgrace if Colm Cavanagh isn't captain next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 07, 2017, 08:35:56 PM
therealdonald, just be careful what you post on here cause there are a few of us not right in the head. i for one am a ticking time bomb and that bigdog is a mushroom cloud laying mother f**ker.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 07, 2017, 09:33:44 PM
Booommmmm muthafuka!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 08, 2017, 08:47:11 AM
Colm Cavanagh would be the obvious choice for captain with Harte and Donnelly next in line.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 08, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 08, 2017, 08:47:11 AM
Colm Cavanagh would be the obvious choice for captain with Harte and Donnelly next in line.

Aidan McCrory has got it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 08, 2017, 09:27:13 AM
Quote from: tiempo on November 08, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 08, 2017, 08:47:11 AM
Colm Cavanagh would be the obvious choice for captain with Harte and Donnelly next in line.

Aidan McCrory has got it
lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 08, 2017, 11:41:50 AM
I find myself in agreement with STG (and it feels weird) for me Colm Cavanagh is the standout candidate for the Tyrone captaincy. If you watch him he's always keeping others on their toes, leads by example, is experienced enough to take on the rile
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 02:48:09 PM
A man told me the other day that Mickey s neice is courting Aidan Mccrory plus he did lift the McKenna cup recently for Tyrone. Listen nobody thought Harte would get three more f**king YEARS so I wouldn't rule anything out!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 08, 2017, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 02:48:09 PM
A man told me the other day that Mickey s neice is courting Aidan Mccrory plus he did lift the McKenna cup recently for Tyrone. Listen nobody thought Harte would get three more f**king YEARS so I wouldn't rule anything out!

They do like to keep it in the townland. Aidan McCrory confirmed and I'm not joking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
Seriously give it a rest about Aidan McCrory. Jesus just leave the lad alone. I'm sure he gives up a serious amount of sacrifices to play for Tyrone and you get a bunch of idiots on here constantly go on about him. It's getting seriously boring at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 03:21:11 PM
A tell ya what I will give up talking about him as soon he walks away from Tyrone. Most people who get the opportunity to play at intercounty level see it as a privilege and an honour, especially those who can't defend can't shoot and don't know how to kick the ball straight ie the player in question.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
Seriously give it a rest about Aidan McCrory. Jesus just leave the lad alone. I'm sure he gives up a serious amount of sacrifices to play for Tyrone and you get a bunch of idiots on here constantly go on about him. It's getting seriously boring at this stage.

Agreed. There's a difference in criticism and abuse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 03:21:11 PM
A tell ya what I will give up talking about him as soon he walks away from Tyrone. Most people who get the opportunity to play at intercounty level see it as a privilege and an honour, especially those who can't defend can't shoot and don't know how to kick the ball straight ie the player in question.

The biggest piece of nonsense I have seen posted here in a long time. What if he was your brother? Would you be happy someone writing that about him?

And we talk about mental health in this country and you see abuse like that . . .

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 08, 2017, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 03:21:11 PM
A tell ya what I will give up talking about him as soon he walks away from Tyrone. Most people who get the opportunity to play at intercounty level see it as a privilege and an honour, especially those who can't defend can't shoot and don't know how to kick the ball straight ie the player in question.

The biggest piece of nonsense I have seen posted here in a long time. What if he was your brother? Would you be happy someone writing that about him?

And we talk about mental health in this country and you see abuse like that . . .

Have to agree the abuse of him here is not right. And it was Colm Cavanagh in the past and before that another lad...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
What are we on a GAA forum talking about anyway? The price of garden furniture? Some amount of Snowflake princesses on here. Hypothetically if I was getting critism for my performances on the pitch I wouldn't start crying like a baby but go back out and prove the doubters wrong!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 08, 2017, 04:05:04 PM
I would like to see someone younger than Colm Cavanagh getting it - He's probably only got a couple of years left and winning another All Ireland is a longer project than that I fear!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 04:05:48 PM
Nah you're just a slabber and I'd say majority on here would say the same even STG! Don't use the snowflake analogy to cover up the fact you're simply abusing a player when in reality you wouldn't say boo to him if you saw him in the street.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 08, 2017, 04:09:23 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
What are we on a GAA forum talking about anyway? The price of garden furniture? Some amount of Snowflake princesses on here. Hypothetically if I was getting critism for my performances on the pitch I wouldn't start crying like a baby but go back out and prove the doubters wrong!

Criticism is not the problem.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 08, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
Its not Aiden mc crorys fault. I'm sure he trains as hard as anyone and always gives his best. He just not at the level to play senior inter county. My gripe would be with the man who continually pushes him onto the team thus exposing the lad to the kind of comments we see on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 08, 2017, 04:28:30 PM
would be different if critics weren't hiding their identities...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
Some people don't like to hear the truth. TOUGH SHIT.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 05:12:59 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
Some people don't like to hear the truth. TOUGH SHIT.

Would you criticise him to his face?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 08, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 05:12:59 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
Some people don't like to hear the truth. TOUGH SHIT.

Would you criticise him to his face?

Big dog be a wee puppy if he met him...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 05:19:12 PM
Actually while sitting in the canal end during the Dublin debacle the aforementioned player popped up in the Tyrone full forward line, didn't do much then ran back out were Philly McMahon eye balled him and then he ran away like a scared girl. I would definitely fancy my chances!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 05:29:02 PM
I'll take that as a no then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on November 08, 2017, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
Some people don't like to hear the truth. TOUGH SHIT.

You're a sad case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 08, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
What are we on a GAA forum talking about anyway? The price of garden furniture? Some amount of Snowflake princesses on here. Hypothetically if I was getting critism for my performances on the pitch I wouldn't start crying like a baby but go back out and prove the doubters wrong!

The price of garden furniture lol Class

Wouldnt this be a much boring place if we all came on and agreed with the Errigal Pose and all that tyrone do. Jes it wouldnt be far aff North Korea at that rate. Forums are for opinions - Horrible footballer, shouldnt be anywere near a County set up never mind starting week in/week out and now touted as potential Captain. Tyrone Fans Weep
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 08, 2017, 07:23:38 PM
Here's another big man. I'd say your mother and father are proud of their son anonymously abusing some on the internet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 08, 2017, 08:42:12 PM
anyone remember who lifted the mc kenna cup this year? was it sean cavanagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 08, 2017, 08:43:40 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 08, 2017, 08:42:12 PM
anyone remember who lifted the mc kenna cup this year? was it sean cavanagh?

Petey Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 08, 2017, 08:50:08 PM
ok thanks so one would assume that he is ahead of mc crory and cavanagh for captaincy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on November 08, 2017, 09:09:59 PM
Who gives a f**k who's captain next year, whether it's harte, Donnelly, mccrory or Cavanagh it'll not make a pile of difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 08, 2017, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on November 08, 2017, 09:09:59 PM
Who gives a f**k who's captain next year, whether it's harte, Donnelly, mccrory or Cavanagh it'll not make a pile of difference.
well someone has to lift the mc kenna cup
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on November 08, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 08, 2017, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on November 08, 2017, 09:09:59 PM
Who gives a f**k who's captain next year, whether it's harte, Donnelly, mccrory or Cavanagh it'll not make a pile of difference.
well someone has to lift the mc kenna cup

Bout time a Clogher Valley man lifts the big one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 09, 2017, 06:03:27 AM
lets be honest here it dosent matter who the captain is as he wont be doing a pile. aidan mccrory gets too much personal abuse definitely. mickey will want someone who wont talk to rte. so maybe being close to him mccrory fits the bill. to me mattie donnelly is the natural leader of the team has captained his club to a county title no brainer. colm cavnagh wont be picked due to big seans last sprint to rte and him making a mockery of the players dont want to talk nonesense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 09, 2017, 08:33:23 AM
Quote from: Club boi on November 08, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 08, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
What are we on a GAA forum talking about anyway? The price of garden furniture? Some amount of Snowflake princesses on here. Hypothetically if I was getting critism for my performances on the pitch I wouldn't start crying like a baby but go back out and prove the doubters wrong!

The price of garden furniture lol Class

Wouldnt this be a much boring place if we all came on and agreed with the Errigal Pose and all that tyrone do. Jes it wouldnt be far aff North Korea at that rate. Forums are for opinions - Horrible footballer, shouldnt be anywere near a County set up never mind starting week in/week out and now touted as potential Captain. Tyrone Fans Weep

Yeah its much better to come on to a forum behind a user name and slag off local players who give up 9/10 months of the year to represent our county. I probably wouldn't pick McRory in my starting team but at times over the years he has did decent marking jobs including for example against McKiernan last year. He always puts in a 100% on the pitch and works hard for the team.

For all the talk of the bias it should be noted that only 2 out of a 35 man squad have been from Errigal in recent years. Not a high representation from one of the top clubs in Tyrone. Even Ardboe had that many players involved in the squad this year. Also no Errigal man has ever held one of the key jobs in the backroom team - trainer or assistant manager.

I get labelled on here as some big Harte fan where as in reality I'm just a Tyrone fan who has respected what he did for the county and still believe he is the best man for the job. Back to back ulster's at any time in our history would be considered successful. Anyway I think I'm done on here as can't be bothered with the constant childish crap from the newbies and the constant over the top negativity. I think you lads should be left too your fun without being interrupted by reason and logic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 09, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
Your last paragraph sums it up RHS. This thread has long since become a nonsense and the times where it was a genuine discussion and debate are over. Yes there was criticism but it wasn't vile in nature and abusive like it has become this past year really.

Leave you boys to your own devices now and turn this once decent thread into your own wee anti Harte/Errigal rants. Good luck!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 09, 2017, 09:09:20 AM
Agree, I'm out, the Fermanagh man has won through
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 09, 2017, 09:29:26 AM
Has GAAboard now become hoganstand?

We need a new forum without STG & big Dog (Who are the same person I think we can all agree?)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 09, 2017, 09:48:01 AM
Ah lads don't get too despondent, I've left the forum before cause of all the shite I had to listen to. But now I'm back reinvigorated and better than ever.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 09, 2017, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 09, 2017, 08:33:23 AM
Anyway I think I'm done on here as can't be bothered with the constant childish crap from the newbies and the constant over the top negativity. I think you lads should be left too your fun without being interrupted by reason and logic.

Yes. I flick through 90% of the posts and threads here.
You can find decent content but you need to get to recognize the poster before you spend any time continuing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 09, 2017, 03:02:08 PM
Lads if there is anybody left here after the mass exodus of mickeys pr group has anyone heard of any new additions to the county panel. I heard that Ciaran Mc Laughlin had been asked to join but Conan Grugan hadn't. Any others ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on November 09, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Did Grugan fall out with Harte last time around?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 09, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 09, 2017, 03:02:08 PM
Lads if there is anybody left here after the mass exodus of mickeys pr group has anyone heard of any new additions to the county panel. I heard that Ciaran Mc Laughlin had been asked to join but Conan Grugan hadn't. Any others ?

Heard McLaughlin isn't interested. Wouldn't be surprised if Grugan not asked, he's only the same level as our 2016 All-Star MF and as said many times Mickey has cut ties with him for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 09, 2017, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on November 09, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Did Grugan fall out with Harte last time around?

no
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 09, 2017, 03:55:26 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 09, 2017, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on November 09, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Did Grugan fall out with Harte last time around?

no

Did Harte fall out with Grugan last time around?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 09, 2017, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 09, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
Your last paragraph sums it up RHS. This thread has long since become a nonsense and the times where it was a genuine discussion and debate are over. Yes there was criticism but it wasn't vile in nature and abusive like it has become this past year really.

Leave you boys to your own devices now and turn this once decent thread into your own wee anti Harte/Errigal rants. Good luck!

So the Exodus has started. Sounds a bit like another certain Boycott, dont like a few opinions and different views, sure we'll leave and not talk/post again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 09, 2017, 05:35:24 PM
Several panel members plying their skills down in Donegal with a couple of soccer teams no off season for them,i suppose it keeps them fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 09, 2017, 07:58:08 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 09, 2017, 05:35:24 PM
Several panel members plying their skills down in Donegal with a couple of soccer teams no off season for them,i suppose it keeps them fit.
maybe they have no intention of returning to tyrone duty?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on November 09, 2017, 11:25:03 PM
Wish some of you boys would show the same attitude and not return.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 10, 2017, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: DEL on November 09, 2017, 11:25:03 PM
Wish some of you boys would show the same attitude and not return.  ;D
read previous page, most of them are gone already.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 10, 2017, 01:59:07 PM
Anyone got any good questions to ask our panel this Saturday night of Harte, Joey, Gemma Begley and Neamh Woods and Collie Holmes?

I was thinking I'd like to hear Harte's all time best 15 from Tyrone that he saw play.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2017/11/09/news/tyrone-gaa-football-stars-to-be-honoured-for-their-2017-successes-1183714/

Secondly
Has anyone ever had Frank McGuigan as a guest to any event? Is he much craic?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 10, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 10, 2017, 01:59:07 PM
Anyone got any good questions to ask our panel this Saturday night of Harte, Joey, Gemma Begley and Neamh Woods and Collie Holmes?

I was thinking I'd like to hear Harte's all time best 15 from Tyrone that he saw play.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2017/11/09/news/tyrone-gaa-football-stars-to-be-honoured-for-their-2017-successes-1183714/

Secondly
Has anyone ever had Frank McGuigan as a guest to any event? Is he much craic?
Think he can be very honest and maybe too "direct" for some people!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on November 11, 2017, 10:01:39 PM
Did Grugan fall out with Harte last time around?

There was a hanlin alright.  Cub wanted to play for club u21s n harte said no r sum sh1t. Then he dropped him r sum such. 

Qed etc
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 12, 2017, 03:05:26 PM
A see Mickey was in the front of the Irish News yesterday. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on November 12, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
3 called up to Tyrone panel, McLaughlin (Omagh), Michael mckiernan (coal island) and Brendan burns (Pomeroy)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 14, 2017, 08:25:03 PM
Not a fan but to quote Colm Parkinson -

"Interesting the Tipp footballers are opting out of the McGrath cup in January to concentrate on preparing for the league. Kerry played their U21's and Dublin their C team in them this year. The January Cup competitions really are just a nuisance"

But Tyrone won 5 Mc Kenna Cups and people think there worth something. Play the newbies and get them game ready when needed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 14, 2017, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 14, 2017, 08:25:03 PM
Not a fan but to quote Colm Parkinson -

"Interesting the Tipp footballers are opting out of the McGrath cup in January to concentrate on preparing for the league. Kerry played their U21's and Dublin their C team in them this year. The January Cup competitions really are just a nuisance"

But Tyrone won 5 Mc Kenna Cups and people think there worth something. Play the newbies and get them game ready when needed

Yawn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 14, 2017, 08:50:17 PM
we have the o fiach cup to take care of before the mc kenna cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 14, 2017, 09:21:54 PM
The Vatican?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 14, 2017, 09:21:54 PM
The Vatican?

It's a Tyrone based company.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 14, 2017, 09:23:15 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 14, 2017, 09:21:54 PM
The Vatican?

It's a Tyrone based company.

Oh! okay    ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 14, 2017, 09:27:20 PM
i doubt any new sponsor would be offering more money. hardly an attractive propostion for potential sponsors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 14, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.

It was in place when they signed up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 14, 2017, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.

that ban is a non event now... no-one cares and players going on RTE as soon as they quit playing..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 14, 2017, 09:36:53 PM
yeah but they have their tyrone jerseys long off them at that stage. not much use to sponsors
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.

McAleer and Rushe didn't pull out. They weren't offering enough money and another offer was accepted instead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 14, 2017, 10:08:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.

I suspect you don't have a clue what you're talking about Lenny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 14, 2017, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.

McAleer and Rushe didn't pull out. They weren't offering enough money and another offer was accepted instead.

Name there Glen Man so we can call your bluff!!!

An what's up Bomber you tired??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 10:22:40 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 14, 2017, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.

McAleer and Rushe didn't pull out. They weren't offering enough money and another offer was accepted instead.

Name there Glen Man so we can call your bluff!!!

An what's up Bomber you tired??

Tyrone Fabrications
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
What kind of money would Tyrone sponsorship be worth these days?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on November 15, 2017, 11:49:19 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
What kind of money would Tyrone sponsorship be worth these days?

Bit more than Fermanagh's.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 15, 2017, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
What kind of money would Tyrone sponsorship be worth these days?

as long as we keep playing puke football we will make the headlines. It's a great marketing strategy.
Has to be the most valuable in Ulster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 15, 2017, 02:13:05 PM
I see 93 year old president Mugabe of Zimbabwe has been finally ousted after 38 years of dictatorship. The question has to be asked if Mickey gets to that age will he be still in charge? I seriously think he will, he knows nothing else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on November 15, 2017, 11:49:19 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
What kind of money would Tyrone sponsorship be worth these days?

Bit more than Fermanagh's.
hilarious! You should do a bit of standup. So original.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 15, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
Sponsorship has to be confirmed or ratified by Tyrone County Committee. Your club delegate would be able to shed some light on any talk of a new sponsor, they can also reject a sponsor, I believe a well known alcoholic beverages company attempted to come on board and McAleer and Rushe were the preferred candidate recommended by the County Board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 04:57:36 PM
You mean the alcoholic beverages company tried to come on board and mickey said no way, we are all pioneers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 15, 2017, 05:00:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 04:57:36 PM
You mean the alcoholic beverages company tried to come on board and mickey said no way, we are all pioneers.
oh that's right the county board actually is Mickey Harte! LOL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 15, 2017, 05:04:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on November 15, 2017, 11:49:19 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
What kind of money would Tyrone sponsorship be worth these days?

Bit more than Fermanagh's.
hilarious! You should do a bit of standup. So original.

Was funny though !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 16, 2017, 09:38:39 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on November 12, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
3 called up to Tyrone panel, McLaughlin (Omagh), Michael mckiernan (coal island) and Brendan burns (Pomeroy)
confirmed in todays Irish news. Nice bit of inside info, Il be keepin a close eye on you in future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on November 16, 2017, 10:35:54 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 15, 2017, 02:13:05 PM
I see 93 year old president Mugabe of Zimbabwe has been finally ousted after 38 years of dictatorship. The question has to be asked if Mickey gets to that age will he be still in charge? I seriously think he will, he knows nothing else.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrdub on November 16, 2017, 11:59:29 AM
and just as Santa went and got sorted out with all the gear for Chrimbo, nice waste of money
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 16, 2017, 01:32:04 PM
was just thinking that..
new gear launched in time for the xmas market no doubt...sickening if youve just purchased the old.. be a few cheap McA & R jerseys for sale now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on November 16, 2017, 01:38:27 PM
O'Neills have had it on their Tyrone GAA online shop 'New Jersey coming soon' for a few weeks now. As far as I know there was a new jersey in the pipeline regardless of new sponsor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on November 16, 2017, 01:45:05 PM
new tyrone top leaked lastnight with Tyrone Fabrications as the new sponsor, is there a way of uploading a picture to this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 16, 2017, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on November 16, 2017, 01:45:05 PM
new tyrone top leaked lastnight with Tyrone Fabrications as the new sponsor, is there a way of uploading a picture to this?

Have you a link?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on November 16, 2017, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 16, 2017, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on November 16, 2017, 01:45:05 PM
new tyrone top leaked lastnight with Tyrone Fabrications as the new sponsor, is there a way of uploading a picture to this?

Have you a link?

Not sorry, was sent a linked picture from a promo event lastnight
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 16, 2017, 03:12:30 PM
http://www.tyronefabrication.co.uk/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ladies only on November 16, 2017, 04:52:27 PM
Just wondering if the Tyrone senior  Ladies and Camogs will be included in the deal,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 16, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 10:22:40 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 14, 2017, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.

McAleer and Rushe didn't pull out. They weren't offering enough money and another offer was accepted instead.

Name there Glen Man so we can call your bluff!!!

An what's up Bomber you tired??

Tyrone Fabrications

;) ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 16, 2017, 07:02:34 PM
Micky is a shareholder all be it  a small one at that, so it should put away the rumours of discontent when he doesn't speak with rte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 16, 2017, 07:07:23 PM
is this new sponsor carry on a kind of April fool thingy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 16, 2017, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: ladies only on November 16, 2017, 04:52:27 PM
Just wondering if the Tyrone senior  Ladies and Camogs will be included in the deal,

did McAleer and Rushe sponser Ladies as well? I genuinly dont know
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 16, 2017, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 16, 2017, 07:02:34 PM
Micky is a shareholder all be it  a small one at that, so it should put away the rumours of discontent when he doesn't speak with rte
not sure i follow your post.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 16, 2017, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 16, 2017, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 16, 2017, 07:02:34 PM
Micky is a shareholder all be it  a small one at that, so it should put away the rumours of discontent when he doesn't speak with rte
not sure i follow your post.
Is it not a privately owned company? I would doubt Mickey owns shares in a privately owned Engineering firm
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 16, 2017, 09:11:38 PM
well its a ballygawley based firm and i was told it is one of the mc crorys who owns it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 16, 2017, 09:20:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 16, 2017, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 16, 2017, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 16, 2017, 07:02:34 PM
Micky is a shareholder all be it  a small one at that, so it should put away the rumours of discontent when he doesn't speak with rte
not sure i follow your post.
Is it not a privately owned company? I would doubt Mickey owns shares in a privately owned Engineering firm
it's seems Mickey has a major influence on the dealings of the GAA in Tyrone. How very odd if not unhealthy in the long term.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 16, 2017, 09:23:36 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 16, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 10:22:40 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 14, 2017, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 14, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
McAleer & Rushe are out. New sponsor to be confirmed tomorrow.

New sponsor offering much more money.

Not surprised mcaleer and rushe have pulled out. Heard they were becoming exasperated at the rte ban.

McAleer and Rushe didn't pull out. They weren't offering enough money and another offer was accepted instead.

Name there Glen Man so we can call your bluff!!!

An what's up Bomber you tired??

Tyrone Fabrications

;) ;)

👏🏻👏🏻
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on November 17, 2017, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 16, 2017, 09:11:38 PM
well its a ballygawley based firm and i was told it is one of the mc crorys who owns it?

Its a fella McDermott from Ballygawley that owns it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on November 17, 2017, 10:59:44 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on November 17, 2017, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 16, 2017, 09:11:38 PM
well its a ballygawley based firm and i was told it is one of the mc crorys who owns it?

Its a fella McDermott from Ballygawley that owns it.
Brendan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2017, 11:21:23 AM
So basically its just the harte/errigal cartel tightening its grip on Tyrone county football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on November 17, 2017, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 17, 2017, 11:21:23 AM
So basically its just the harte/errigal cartel tightening its grip on Tyrone county football.

God forbid they might make a quality product and want to attract new work through a sponsorship deal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on November 17, 2017, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 17, 2017, 11:21:23 AM
So basically its just the harte/errigal cartel tightening its grip on Tyrone county football.

Would this be the Errigal cartel that has 2 players involved in a panel of 35/40?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 17, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
Harte I'd say has invested in a lot of ventures. Teamtalk being one
Ask ureself has u ever once heard criticism of him on it
He does seem to be closing in on all sides a bit to much but I still think he's the man for the job
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 17, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 17, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
Harte I'd say has invested in a lot of ventures. Teamtalk being one
Ask ureself has u ever once heard criticism of him on it
He does seem to be closing in on all sides a bit to much but I still think he's the man for the job
Noel McGinn at a time did have outspoken views when commentating on teamtalk and quite right he was too however the fuhrer was having none of it and a boycott was quickly adhered to. Noel was soon put in his place and now his neck his firmly under the boot of the great one. An Example of this can be heard after the Kerry league defeat when McGinn had the chance to question Harte but instead talked about how great it was that Tyrone scored 2 or 3 goals in the game!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 17, 2017, 06:21:18 PM
I would say Noel would make a good chairman sometime in the future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 17, 2017, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 17, 2017, 06:21:18 PM
I would say Noel would make a good chairman sometime in the future.
Tyrone county secretary, Tyrone county chairman, club Tyrone, sponsorship,  it's kinda morphing into the one entity of the supreme commandership of Mickey the great.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 17, 2017, 07:13:33 PM
Feck me this thread has descended into a pile of utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 17, 2017, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 17, 2017, 07:13:33 PM
Feck me this thread has descending a pile of utter nonsense.
Yes but your still here Benji.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2017, 08:45:47 PM
i see the guards down south have fairly got stuck into the kinahan cartel. time the garvaghy kinahans were took down too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
I see Cahir McCullagh has opted out for next year as he's travelling.

Thought we might have seen more new faces as we are down a few from retirements and such. Good to see two traditional man markers like McKernan and Burns being brought in. I think the full back line is the area of the pitch we need to improve on the most.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 19, 2017, 11:09:57 AM
our full forward line wasnt exactly shit hot against dublin either was it bomber?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 19, 2017, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 19, 2017, 11:09:57 AM
our full forward line wasnt exactly shit hot against dublin either was it bomber?

Can't recall Fermanagh playing Dublin! Was this a while ago?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 19, 2017, 11:09:57 AM
our full forward line wasnt exactly shit hot against dublin either was it bomber?

Nope and hopefully the introduction of some natural defenders might allow us to keep more bodies forward next year.

McAliskey returning as well should also help us:

Wouldn't mind a side like this next year:

Morgan

McKernan McCarron Cassidy

McCann Hamspey Harte

Cavanagh McClure

Loughran Sludden Meyler

Bradley Donnelly McAliskey

With Donnelly operating around the middle of the pitch
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 19, 2017, 02:33:46 PM
you think mc carron still up to it? what about hp mc geary or frank burns in there instead of him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 19, 2017, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 19, 2017, 02:33:46 PM
you think mc carron still up to it? what about hp mc geary or frank burns in there instead of him?
There is no full forward line, in fact there's not even a full back line! All it is, is Colm cavanagh running around doing everybody else s job for them! Bringing new players is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Pure and utter scrap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 19, 2017, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 19, 2017, 02:33:46 PM
you think mc carron still up to it? what about hp mc geary or frank burns in there instead of him?

I think he can do a job in certain situations.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 20, 2017, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 16, 2017, 09:11:38 PM
well its a ballygawley based firm and i was told it is one of the mc crorys who owns it?
I reckon some man is selling you a pile of rabbit droppings and telling you they are intelligence pills. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on November 20, 2017, 02:31:26 PM
Why let the truth get it the way of a good rumour!? A quick check on companies house website shows it a Brendan and Mary McDermott that own the company.

The Harte bashing and rubbish on this thread is really tedious at this stage. Yawn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 20, 2017, 03:14:45 PM
I heard McAleer and Rushe were shafted. Not a good way to treat people though I think they should be happy enough to get out!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 20, 2017, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: GJL on November 17, 2017, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 17, 2017, 11:21:23 AM
So basically its just the harte/errigal cartel tightening its grip on Tyrone county football.

Would this be the Errigal cartel that has 2 players involved in a panel of 35/40?
id say thats one too many.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 21, 2017, 04:41:49 AM
I see Mickey s moaning about the international rules series..
again! Then starts bringing up reviving the Railway cup. Is he serious?? Nobody has went to one of them since 19 an 35 lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 21, 2017, 08:22:27 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 21, 2017, 04:41:49 AM
I see Mickey s moaning about the international rules series..
again! Then starts bringing up reviving the Railway cup. Is he serious?? Nobody has went to one of them since 19 an 35 lol.

It's due a revival so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 21, 2017, 08:52:04 AM
Railway Cup is gone Connacht have thrown the dummy out of the pram.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on November 21, 2017, 10:49:50 AM
Plent of cheap McAleer and Rush gear floating about.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 21, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: skeog on November 21, 2017, 08:52:04 AM
Railway Cup is gone Connacht have thrown the dummy out of the pram.
good, at least we wont have Niall sludden and peter Harte playin 2 games in a weekend in December. Is the o fiach cup on this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2017, 12:27:34 PM
O'Fiach cup not on this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
This thread descending into farce lads, everyone is entitled to views but it's pretty much at the propaganda stage now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
I see in the paper and heard on the wireless that Tyrone ladies will be sponsored by Tyrone Fabrications, thats good news to see Roisin Jordan finally stepping up and supporting her own alonsgide the men, the way it should be
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 21, 2017, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
I see in the paper and heard on the wireless that Tyrone ladies will be sponsored by Tyrone Fabrications, thats good news to see Roisin Jordan finally stepping up and supporting her own alonsgide the men, the way it should be

wireless? you're giving away yer age  :o - maybe they'll also drop the huge fees for Tyrone senior and underage Ladies teams to train in Gervaghy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 21, 2017, 08:37:47 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
This thread descending into farce lads, everyone is entitled to views but it's pretty much at the propaganda stage now.
it always was propaganda. Used to be pro Harte, now the anti Harte brigade has got bigger and louder.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2017, 09:01:00 PM
New Jersey quite nice, very similar to a Louth away kit of a few years ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 21, 2017, 09:26:26 PM
peter harte and mc namee chosen to show off the new kit. captain and vice captain?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 21, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 21, 2017, 09:26:26 PM
peter harte and mc namee chosen to show off the new kit. captain and vice captain?

Mcnamees interview about enjoying the mass indoctrination before games is getting him some media exposure  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
What..... No ladies or Camogs included in sponsorship with Tyrone Fabrication, so much for integration. Roisin let's the women of Tyrone down again. Between charging for Garvaghey and now this its clear to ladies that she doesn't support us. A disgrace for sure, time for change. Why did the papers say the deal included ladies. Fake News
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 21, 2017, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
What..... No ladies or Camogs included in sponsorship with Tyrone Fabrication, so much for integration. Roisin let's the women of Tyrone down again. Between charging for Garvaghey and now this its clear to ladies that she doesn't support us. A disgrace for sure, time for change. Why did the papers say the deal included ladies. Fake News

so is McAleer & Teague staying on as Ladies sponsor? What about the hurlers and camogs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on November 21, 2017, 11:27:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 21, 2017, 09:26:26 PM
peter harte and mc namee chosen to show off the new kit. captain and vice captain?

With your record it probably means they're both getting dropped.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 21, 2017, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
What..... No ladies or Camogs included in sponsorship with Tyrone Fabrication, so much for integration. Roisin let's the women of Tyrone down again. Between charging for Garvaghey and now this its clear to ladies that she doesn't support us. A disgrace for sure, time for change. Why did the papers say the deal included ladies. Fake News

Will Tyrone fabrications not be on the ladies and camogs jerseys too?  Can't really blame them if not,  it's their decision to make and the men's team are the more attractive sponsorship deal.  40k+ at championship games or less than 400... No brainer ......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 21, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 21, 2017, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
What..... No ladies or Camogs included in sponsorship with Tyrone Fabrication, so much for integration. Roisin let's the women of Tyrone down again. Between charging for Garvaghey and now this its clear to ladies that she doesn't support us. A disgrace for sure, time for change. Why did the papers say the deal included ladies. Fake News

Will Tyrone fabrications not be on the ladies and camogs jerseys too?  Can't really blame them if not,  it's their decision to make and the men's team are the more attractive sponsorship deal.  40k+ at championship games or less than 400... No brainer ......

so what bout hurlers? wont be many at their games either?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ladies only on November 22, 2017, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 21, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 21, 2017, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
What..... No ladies or Camogs included in sponsorship with Tyrone Fabrication, so much for integration. Roisin let's the women of Tyrone down again. Between charging for Garvaghey and now this its clear to ladies that she doesn't support us. A disgrace for sure, time for change. Why did the papers say the deal included ladies. Fake News

Will Tyrone fabrications not be on the ladies and camogs jerseys too?  Can't really blame them if not,  it's their decision to make and the men's team are the more attractive sponsorship deal.  40k+ at championship games or less than 400... No brainer ......

so what bout hurlers? wont be many at their games either?

Just 46,000 in the all Ireland ladies final plus live tv
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 22, 2017, 12:58:05 AM
Quote from: ladies only on November 22, 2017, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 21, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 21, 2017, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
What..... No ladies or Camogs included in sponsorship with Tyrone Fabrication, so much for integration. Roisin let's the women of Tyrone down again. Between charging for Garvaghey and now this its clear to ladies that she doesn't support us. A disgrace for sure, time for change. Why did the papers say the deal included ladies. Fake News

Will Tyrone fabrications not be on the ladies and camogs jerseys too?  Can't really blame them if not,  it's their decision to make and the men's team are the more attractive sponsorship deal.  40k+ at championship games or less than 400... No brainer ......

so what bout hurlers? wont be many at their games either?

Just 46,000 in the all Ireland ladies final plus live tv

Good response - maith thú!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on November 22, 2017, 10:05:18 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 17, 2017, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 17, 2017, 06:21:18 PM
I would say Noel would make a good chairman sometime in the future.
Tyrone county secretary, Tyrone county chairman, club Tyrone, sponsorship,  it's kinda morphing into the one entity of the supreme commandership of Mickey the great.

And you're kinda making a fine job of making this page all about Harte too. Gwan shut the f@#k up for a while and let people talk/read something that isn't your dislike of Harte. We know you don't like him. Message received loud and clear.

Shut. Thee. Fcuk. Up.

Please.

It's actually ruining this page.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 22, 2017, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 22, 2017, 10:05:18 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 17, 2017, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 17, 2017, 06:21:18 PM
I would say Noel would make a good chairman sometime in the future.
Tyrone county secretary, Tyrone county chairman, club Tyrone, sponsorship,  it's kinda morphing into the one entity of the supreme commandership of Mickey the great.

And you're kinda making a fine job of making this page all about Harte too. Gwan shut the f@#k up for a while and let people talk/read something that isn't your dislike of Harte. We know you don't like him. Message received loud and clear.

Shut. Thee. Fcuk. Up.

Please.

It's actually ruining this page.

Amen!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 22, 2017, 12:41:18 PM
3 Candidates put forward for U20 job. Anyone here of who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on November 22, 2017, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 22, 2017, 12:41:18 PM
3 Candidates put forward for U20 job. Anyone here of who?

Paul Rouse
Larry Strain
Iggy Gallagher and Paul Donnelly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 22, 2017, 01:30:08 PM
Would give Larry the shot out of them.

Rouse has been around the country 10 times over with little to show and the others haven't hardly produced with the minors
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on November 22, 2017, 02:04:40 PM
Larry would be a good choice -  proven track record at club level and experience of playing Minor & Under 21 with Tyrone, if memory serves me right he was in the full forward line alongside Peter Canavan in the 1990 All Ireland final V Kerry.  Probably would bring the likes of Barry McGinn & Marty McCrory with him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 22, 2017, 03:33:20 PM
Lawrence is the standout candidate.Dont be surprised if he has a recently retired legend in his backroom team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 22, 2017, 05:27:37 PM
Same as that - Larry Strain the man,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 22, 2017, 10:06:35 PM
larry looks the best choice but he would need to go back to better tactics like with omagh in 2014. very poor tactically last year with omagh and i hear the monaghan harps lads werent too pleased with overly defensive gameplan this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 22, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
Can u elaborate poor on how he was tactically poor last year with omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 22, 2017, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 22, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
Can u elaborate poor on how he was tactically poor last year with omagh
did you not see them against clonoe in first round of championship? short kickout all the time, trying to run the ball up the field, hardly a kick pass. threw away a 3 point lead in injury time cause of crazy short kickout strategy and big grugan in midfield a passenger.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 22, 2017, 11:17:27 PM
Forgot about that game actually. They were poor alright. I think the players were fed up at stage, whether it was with him or McGinn or both I'm not sure but a new manager gave them a lease of life.  I'd have thought rouse would be more of a coach than a manager. Wonder which club nominated him
I'd liked to have seen dinky involved, good coach by all accounts and proven record at this level
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 22, 2017, 11:33:44 PM
yeah dinky is an interesting one. was very impressed with him with monaghan u21s when they beat us in ulster final couple years ago. had his team set up much better tactically than the much vaunted logan, dooher and canavan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 23, 2017, 06:03:49 AM
Is Dinky with Monaghan still.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 23, 2017, 08:37:34 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 22, 2017, 10:06:35 PM
larry looks the best choice but he would need to go back to better tactics like with omagh in 2014. very poor tactically last year with omagh and i hear the monaghan harps lads werent too pleased with overly defensive gameplan this year.

You are some slabber lol! Would love to know what involvement you have ever had in GAA criticising top successful managers. Such tripe! Go back to Fermanagh

Dinky is holding out for the monaghan senior job but would have Strain over him any day
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 23, 2017, 09:36:45 AM
Redhand, where did I criticize Lawrence strain? Merely stated that he needs to get back to the tactics which served him well in 2014. But like alot of Tyrone coaches now they have been polluted by watchin too much of hartes county rubbish.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 23, 2017, 10:19:19 AM
Word is Harte believes if Dublin hadn't got the early goal Tyrone would have beat them. How deluded is that? Expect more of the same tactics in 2018  : (
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on November 23, 2017, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 23, 2017, 09:36:45 AM
Redhand, where did I criticize Lawrence strain? Merely stated that he needs to get back to the tactics which served him well in 2014. But like alot of Tyrone coaches now they have been polluted by watchin too much of hartes county rubbish.

How many posts out of your 600 have been slating harte? Build a bridge. He must have dropped you from the first year blitz squad at st ciarans or something to have hatred like that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 23, 2017, 10:50:25 AM
Fisrt post chieftain and your on my case already. Come on man. Welcome to the madhouse.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 23, 2017, 11:43:36 AM
Stephen o Neill officially joined Tyrone backroom team according to hoganstand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: skeog on November 23, 2017, 06:03:49 AM
Is Dinky with Monaghan still.

Dinky is on the Omagh ticket is he not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 23, 2017, 12:48:13 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: skeog on November 23, 2017, 06:03:49 AM
Is Dinky with Monaghan still.

Dinky is on the Omagh ticket is he not?
dinky on the sideline with carrickmore in this years championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on November 23, 2017, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: skeog on November 23, 2017, 06:03:49 AM
Is Dinky with Monaghan still.

Dinky is on the Omagh ticket is he not?

Dinky was not anywhere near Omagh last year and wont be this either. Sure he's a Carmen man now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 23, 2017, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 23, 2017, 09:36:45 AM
Redhand, where did I criticize Lawrence strain? Merely stated that he needs to get back to the tactics which served him well in 2014. But like alot of Tyrone coaches now they have been polluted by watchin too much of hartes county rubbish.

I'm sure Tyrone championship winning Larry strain and 3 times all Ireland winner mickey harte will welcome your guidance you clown.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 23, 2017, 02:22:52 PM
Mickey doesn't need me for guidance, he  gets his from god the almighty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 03:15:20 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on November 23, 2017, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: skeog on November 23, 2017, 06:03:49 AM
Is Dinky with Monaghan still.

Dinky is on the Omagh ticket is he not?

Dinky was not anywhere near Omagh last year and wont be this either. Sure he's a Carmen man now

Is Dinky a Carmen man or an Omagh man I'm confused?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 23, 2017, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 03:15:20 PM


Is Dinky a Carmen man or an Omagh man I'm confused?

He's been with Carmen for years but played his youth and at his height with Omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 03:18:22 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 23, 2017, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 03:15:20 PM


Is Dinky a Carmen man or an Omagh man I'm confused?

He's been with Carmen for years but played his youth and at his height with Omagh.

Sorry just to be clear, we're talking about the same Dinky here right? Ginger one, big knee bandage, always falling on his arse, terrible fringe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 23, 2017, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 03:18:22 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 23, 2017, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 03:15:20 PM


Is Dinky a Carmen man or an Omagh man I'm confused?

He's been with Carmen for years but played his youth and at his height with Omagh.

Sorry just to be clear, we're talking about the same Dinky here right? Ginger one, big knee bandage, always falling on his arse, terrible fringe?

Big head bandage on occasions also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 24, 2017, 10:06:38 AM
Quote from: ladies only on November 22, 2017, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 21, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 21, 2017, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: ladies only on November 21, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
What..... No ladies or Camogs included in sponsorship with Tyrone Fabrication, so much for integration. Roisin let's the women of Tyrone down again. Between charging for Garvaghey and now this its clear to ladies that she doesn't support us. A disgrace for sure, time for change. Why did the papers say the deal included ladies. Fake News

Will Tyrone fabrications not be on the ladies and camogs jerseys too?  Can't really blame them if not,  it's their decision to make and the men's team are the more attractive sponsorship deal.  40k+ at championship games or less than 400... No brainer ......

so what bout hurlers? wont be many at their games either?

Just 46,000 in the all Ireland ladies final plus live tv

the senior final yes.  are you claiming there were 46,000 at the intermediate final in which tyrone ladies were playing in because this picture would show otherwise?  http://shop.cahirmedia.com/p720439461/h970BCFA6#h970bcfa6

in terms of advertising for a business if they decided to just sponsor the men its because they are guaranteed more exposure with the men and its their right to do that.  The men are guaranteed 2 X championship games with 15-30,000 at each game (and will probably go much further) every year whereas the women would have to get to a SENIOR all-ireland final to get anywhere near that attendance at a game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 24, 2017, 12:51:18 PM
The bog in Omagh unplayable again,bit more focus on Healy Park should be top of the list.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 24, 2017, 02:04:24 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 24, 2017, 12:51:18 PM
The bog in Omagh unplayable again,bit more focus on Healy Park should be top of the list.

Is an embarrassment to this county - you'd think Ulster council would have wised up to it by now instead of scheduling major games there...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 24, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Any of ye going to the TTM All stars tonight?
Might see ye there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 24, 2017, 04:49:12 PM
Record crowd attending no other county in Ireland can match TTM.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on November 24, 2017, 05:43:41 PM
Hi folks for any of yous that are interested the final of the Paul McGirr U16 Club Champions Tournament takes place this Sunday at 2:00 between Crossmaglen and Kilcoo, there is a bit of recent history between these two clubs so it should make for a great atmosphere, going by performances so far it promises to be a real cracker ( the kilcoo v Carrickmore semi final was one of the best games I ever witnessed), it will be ground breaking as well because the game is being brodcast live on the 'Spirit of Paul McGirr' Facebook page as well as Teamtalkmag and Tyrone Association Dublin pages, live commentary will be provided by Noel McGinn with Mark Harte and Ciaran McBride also in the studio, tune in for what should be a great game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 24, 2017, 09:04:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 24, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Any of ye going to the TTM All stars tonight?
Might see ye there.

Great event fair play to the lads for providing great coverage of our games they deserve this big night every year. Wonder if the Cavanagh's will be there with the Ulster Final Sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 24, 2017, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 24, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Any of ye going to the TTM All stars tonight?
Might see ye there.
who would want to go to that pukefest? not a chance the cavanaghs would be seen anywhere near it.

While I agree with much of what you say on Tyrone set-up, that seems a bit severe. TTM provide a great service...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 10:33:52 PM
whilst they do provide a great coverage of club games, check out some of their county coverage. total love in with harte and absolutely no critical analysis. they brush anything bad under the carpet and blow good stuff out of proportion. they contributed to the bubble which the county team and setup is in which in turn contributed to the dublin debacle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 24, 2017, 10:43:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 10:33:52 PM
whilst they do provide a great coverage of club games, check out some of their county coverage. total love in with harte and absolutely no critical analysis. they brush anything bad under the carpet and blow good stuff out of proportion. they contributed to the bubble which the county team and setup is in which in turn contributed to the dublin debacle.

it's either that or lose access to Tyrone players!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 10:58:07 PM
hardly helping matters though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 24, 2017, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 10:33:52 PM
whilst they do provide a great coverage of club games, check out some of their county coverage. total love in with harte and absolutely no critical analysis. they brush anything bad under the carpet and blow good stuff out of proportion. they contributed to the bubble which the county team and setup is in which in turn contributed to the dublin debacle.

Maybe there was good things to say about the team this year as they comprehensively won the Ulster championship- you know, around the same time you went missing from this thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 11:12:05 PM
of course there was good stuff when we were beating div 2 and 3 teams in ulster and god knows we heard plenty about it from ttm and on here. didnt hear much bad being said about the dublin performance on ttm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 24, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 11:12:05 PM
of course there was good stuff when we were beating div 2 and 3 teams in ulster and god knows we heard plenty about it from ttm and on here. didnt hear much bad being said about the dublin performance on ttm.

well their club coverage is excellent
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 11:24:04 PM
i agree, it really is. very balanced unlike the county coverage which is my main gripe with them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 24, 2017, 11:52:30 PM
God help us would someone send this child to school and get him of the tinternet! Must live alone!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 25, 2017, 01:49:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 24, 2017, 11:24:04 PM
i agree, it really is. very balanced unlike the county coverage which is my main gripe with them.

Yes and you are so balanced on your view of the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 25, 2017, 07:36:49 AM
I don't have to be balanced benny, I'm not a local media outlet like ttm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on November 25, 2017, 07:58:24 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 24, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Any of ye going to the TTM All stars tonight?
Might see ye there.

How did it go?

TTM deserve a lot of credit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 25, 2017, 08:21:50 AM
Nice to see Grugan and Mcguigan awarded last night. Two players who were so callously discarded by Mickey Harte and who are two players that are coming now into the prime of their footballing careers. Surely it is the job of the Tyrone manager to make contact with them as regards 2018??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on November 25, 2017, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 25, 2017, 08:21:50 AM
Nice to see Grugan and Mcguigan awarded last night. Two players who were so callously discarded by Mickey Harte and who are two players that are coming now into the prime of their footballing careers. Surely it is the job of the Tyrone manager to make contact with them as regards 2018??

Hey I thought you said Richie Donelly isn't playing for Tyrone next year? He's back in training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on November 25, 2017, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 25, 2017, 07:58:24 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on November 24, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Any of ye going to the TTM All stars tonight?
Might see ye there.

How did it go?

TTM deserve a lot of credit
Great night and superbly put together by TTM. Free jersey for everyone, taped under the chairs!

Even my Armagh husband enjoyed it.

Fuzz, didn't see you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 25, 2017, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: randomusername on November 25, 2017, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 25, 2017, 08:21:50 AM
Nice to see Grugan and Mcguigan awarded last night. Two players who were so callously discarded by Mickey Harte and who are two players that are coming now into the prime of their footballing careers. Surely it is the job of the Tyrone manager to make contact with them as regards 2018??

Hey I thought you said Richie Donelly isn't playing for Tyrone next year? He's back in training.
Where you the loser who reported me to the moderator? When the argument is lost and frustration sets in report to the website to silence others. Your plan to get me barred didn't work dickhead ha ha ha
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on November 25, 2017, 08:40:15 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 25, 2017, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: randomusername on November 25, 2017, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on November 25, 2017, 08:21:50 AM
Nice to see Grugan and Mcguigan awarded last night. Two players who were so callously discarded by Mickey Harte and who are two players that are coming now into the prime of their footballing careers. Surely it is the job of the Tyrone manager to make contact with them as regards 2018??

Hey I thought you said Richie Donelly isn't playing for Tyrone next year? He's back in training.
Where you the loser who reported me to the moderator? When the argument is lost and frustration sets in report to the website to silence others. Your plan to get me barred didn't work d**khead ha ha ha

I didn't report you, grow up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 25, 2017, 11:29:09 PM
my apologies regarding ttm awards last night. didnt realise they were for club endevours. well done to all who received their awards. maith thu.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 26, 2017, 08:04:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 25, 2017, 11:29:09 PM
my apologies regarding ttm awards last night. didnt realise they were for club endevours. well done to all who received their awards. maith thu.

If ure from Tyrone as u say Ud know this. Clearly ure not. Your one of these people who come alive on Facebook and discussion boards but in real live say nothing. Sad thing is ure probably a real good person but come across as the opposite
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 26, 2017, 08:46:49 AM
Quote from: redzone on November 26, 2017, 08:04:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 25, 2017, 11:29:09 PM
my apologies regarding ttm awards last night. didnt realise they were for club endevours. well done to all who received their awards. maith thu.

If ure from Tyrone as u say Ud know this. Clearly ure not. Your one of these people who come alive on Facebook and discussion boards but in real live say nothing. Sad thing is ure probably a real good person but come across as the opposite

you're probably really good at spelling in real life !!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 26, 2017, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 26, 2017, 08:46:49 AM
Quote from: redzone on November 26, 2017, 08:04:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 25, 2017, 11:29:09 PM
my apologies regarding ttm awards last night. didnt realise they were for club endevours. well done to all who received their awards. maith thu.

If ure from Tyrone as u say Ud know this. Clearly ure not. Your one of these people who come alive on Facebook and discussion boards but in real live say nothing. Sad thing is ure probably a real good person but come across as the opposite

you're probably really good at spelling in real life !!
Your up early
Any Tyrone players starring out in New York
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 26, 2017, 08:52:07 AM
thanks for the moral advice redzone and il try harder in future to be a better person but i dont need advice from from a numpty like you. with regards the ttm allstars, am i right i sayin peter harte is the only one of the 15 who started a championship game for tyrone this year?  i though people on here were sayin we have all the best club players already on the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 26, 2017, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2017, 08:52:07 AM
thanks for the moral advice redzone and il try harder in future to be a better person but i dont need advice from from a numpty like you. with regards the ttm allstars, am i right i sayin peter harte is the only one of the 15 who started a championship game for tyrone this year?  i though people on here were sayin we have all the best club players already on the panel?

Meyler also also started. As Tyrone is knockout football, it's understandable that the players picked would come from the sides in the finals.

Maybe the likes of Sludden, Donnelly and Cavanagh should be dropped as they didn't make that selection?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 26, 2017, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 26, 2017, 08:04:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 25, 2017, 11:29:09 PM
my apologies regarding ttm awards last night. didnt realise they were for club endevours. well done to all who received their awards. maith thu.

If ure from Tyrone as u say Ud know this. Clearly ure not. Your one of these people who come alive on Facebook and discussion boards but in real live say nothing. Sad thing is ure probably a real good person but come across as the opposite

He's not from Tyrone. He's a Fermanagh man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 26, 2017, 04:54:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2017, 08:52:07 AM
thanks for the moral advice redzone and il try harder in future to be a better person but i dont need advice from from a numpty like you. with regards the ttm allstars, am i right i sayin peter harte is the only one of the 15 who started a championship game for tyrone this year?  i though people on here were sayin we have all the best club players already on the panel?
I see the entire full back line from the TTM all stars has been called up to the county panel, the weakest line on the senior team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on November 26, 2017, 07:02:20 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 26, 2017, 04:54:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2017, 08:52:07 AM
thanks for the moral advice redzone and il try harder in future to be a better person but i dont need advice from from a numpty like you. with regards the ttm allstars, am i right i sayin peter harte is the only one of the 15 who started a championship game for tyrone this year?  i though people on here were sayin we have all the best club players already on the panel?
I see the entire full back line from the TTM all stars has been called up to the county panel, the weakest line on the senior team.

I would say the full forward line is the weakest on the county team, as it consists of 1 man.  Personally I think McNamee is a very good player, McCarron has been our best defender for the past few years and McCrory always gets knocked but seems to get the task of man marking one of the danger men on the opposition.  He usually keeps them quiet by continually driving forward and making them mark him most of the game.

The 3 men called up are very good manmarkers with plenty of pace and although Burns and McKernan can play half back with ease we are not short in that area.  Defence is not our problem. Its genuine scoring forwards we are lacking.  Skeet hopefully coming back to something near his pre injury potential and Richie Donnelly getting a full year without injury should help.

But what do I know...... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 26, 2017, 07:23:46 PM
Very few come back from a cruciate injury the same player.There is major concern if Mccaliskey will even make it back next year at all unfortunately
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 26, 2017, 07:26:40 PM
The idea of full back lines or any lines for that matter on the Tyrone team have been made redundant in this perverted monstrosity that calls itself Gaelic football at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....

I think we all know that's bullshit. If any case if a scenario like this did develop I would hope that the county board would tell a corporate sponsor to ram it rather than let them dictate internal policy. RTE have treated Tyrone GAA and their players disgracefully in recent years.Tiernan McCann and Sean Cavanagh are just two players who were the result of despicable campaigns never mind the depths they sank to with Mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on November 27, 2017, 09:29:20 AM
I had heard also that McAleer and Rushe got shafted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 27, 2017, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....

I think we all know that's bullshit. If any case if a scenario like this did develop I would hope that the county board would tell a corporate sponsor to ram it rather than let them dictate internal policy. RTE have treated Tyrone GAA and their players disgracefully in recent years.Tiernan McCann and Sean Cavanagh are just two players who were the result of despicable campaigns never mind the depths they sank to with Mickey Harte.
That sounds a bit odd considering Sean cavanagh couldn't wait to talk to RTE once Mickey Harte was out of his life. It was almost as if he escaped a bad relationship the weight that came off his shoulders lol. Try again bomber!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....

I think we all know that's bullshit. If any case if a scenario like this did develop I would hope that the county board would tell a corporate sponsor to ram it rather than let them dictate internal policy. RTE have treated Tyrone GAA and their players disgracefully in recent years.Tiernan McCann and Sean Cavanagh are just two players who were the result of despicable campaigns never mind the depths they sank to with Mickey Harte.

Well believe what what you want too believe..... the whole thing is rotten to core where does it all end, time will tell the way the 3 year contract was handed out and the way the sponsorship was handled is stinking and cannot end good..... Sean Cavanagh was not long runnng to RTE after he retired for a man who was insulted.... there is a dictatorship operating here people will catch on when its too late we are nearly there......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 27, 2017, 09:43:17 AM
Can anyone answer why Kieran Kennedy was stuck in the centre of the photo at the jersey launch. Was at the team talk awards last Friday. Great nights craic but a pr night for O Neills.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....

I think we all know that's bullshit. If any case if a scenario like this did develop I would hope that the county board would tell a corporate sponsor to ram it rather than let them dictate internal policy. RTE have treated Tyrone GAA and their players disgracefully in recent years.Tiernan McCann and Sean Cavanagh are just two players who were the result of despicable campaigns never mind the depths they sank to with Mickey Harte.

Well believe what what you want too believe..... the whole thing is rotten to core where does it all end, time will tell the way the 3 year contract was handed out and the way the sponsorship was handled is stinking and cannot end good..... Sean Cavanagh was not long runnng to RTE after he retired for a man who was insulted.... there is a dictatorship operating here people will catch on when its too late we are nearly there......

That's Sean Cavanagh's prerogative. Tyrone GAA are within their rights not to talk to RTE and given how RTE have treated  Tyrone GAA I cannot understand the clamour for us to engage with them not can I understand the clamour for corporate sponsors to dictate internal policy. I guess that tells you more about the agenda of those who express such wishes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....

I think we all know that's bullshit. If any case if a scenario like this did develop I would hope that the county board would tell a corporate sponsor to ram it rather than let them dictate internal policy. RTE have treated Tyrone GAA and their players disgracefully in recent years.Tiernan McCann and Sean Cavanagh are just two players who were the result of despicable campaigns never mind the depths they sank to with Mickey Harte.

Well believe what what you want too believe..... the whole thing is rotten to core where does it all end, time will tell the way the 3 year contract was handed out and the way the sponsorship was handled is stinking and cannot end good..... Sean Cavanagh was not long runnng to RTE after he retired for a man who was insulted.... there is a dictatorship operating here people will catch on when its too late we are nearly there......

That's Sean Cavanagh's prerogative. Tyrone GAA are within their rights not to talk to RTE and given how RTE have treated  Tyrone GAA I cannot understand the clamour for us to engage with them not can I understand the clamour for corporate sponsors to dictate internal policy. I guess that tells you more about the agenda of those who express such wishes.

Sean Cavanagh Brian McGuigan Philip Jordan among others have all done work for RTE after Tyrone retirement that would tell me that that dont support the dictatorship that operates from within this County..... why not just tell McAleer and Rushe the situation will not be changing??? instead of doing what was done its wrong and stinks from the highest heavon....Mickey Harte managers our football team he should keep his nose out of everything else......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
bomber i think you are forgetting that tyrone had a very good relationship with rte up until may 2011 when mickey harte decided to stick his nose in their business. its been downhill since then and the reason why rte cant wait to have a pop at tyrone players. like them or not we need to keep the national media on our side because anything else is counterproductive long term.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 27, 2017, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: In hiding on November 27, 2017, 09:43:17 AM
Can anyone answer why Kieran Kennedy was stuck in the centre of the photo at the jersey launch. Was at the team talk awards last Friday. Great nights craic but a pr night for O Neills.

Can't quite believe this post. I don't know KK that well though have met him a few times but as the CEO of O'Neills in the Norf would you not expect him to be in that photo
I mean he gives so much sponsorship to Tyrone GAA and other things and did you hear Barry McElduff's story about how KK saved the bacon for a local soccer club from the other side and so has helped Barry reach out across the divide
Were you not impressed that he put 570+ FREE jerseys under everyone's seat (NO ONE EACH smart asses).

Jeepers I can't believe you had an issue with that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 27, 2017, 10:47:19 AM
The RTE ban is shallow now as it became obvious it wasn't coming from the players at all. A lot of people don't even know the background at this stage and the whole county is dragged into it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 12:12:17 PM
like all cartels, our own here in little tyrone are only interested in money and power. as police forces across the world have found out, they are very hard to take down. like the big drug cartels in south america the only real way to stop them is for people to stop buying their product thus cutting off money that sustains them. i feel any true tyrone supporter with a consience should do likewise and, A. boycott all tyrone games particularly at healy park and B. refuse to buy any tyrone jerseys or merchandise associated with the new 'sponsor'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 27, 2017, 12:21:16 PM
A lot of people have already been doing that STG........have you not noticed how much the tyrone support has dwindled?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 27, 2017, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 12:12:17 PM
like all cartels, our own here in little tyrone are only interested in money and power. as police forces across the world have found out, they are very hard to take down. like the big drug cartels in south america the only real way to stop them is for people to stop buying their product thus cutting off money that sustains them. i feel any true tyrone supporter with a consience should do likewise and, A. boycott all tyrone games particularly at healy park and B. refuse to buy any tyrone jerseys or merchandise associated with the new 'sponsor'.

Why are we boycotting games? Jeez lads you are like the leave campaign during the Brexit debate. Full of scaremongering, half truths and downright lies. If you believed half the nonsense on here half the players have left the panel, McAleer and Rushe demanded Tyrone talk to RTE and therefore where shafted, Mickey Harte is running a Cartel for what reason I don't know, the new sponsorship deal is all masterminded by Mickey as he has shares in the company, insinuations that O'Neills are involved due to KK's appearance at TTM awards etc etc and this is just in the last few days. Maybe, just maybe there is just a bunch of lads in the county board and management doing their best for the county. Maybe they have made a few mistakes and not as successful as they once were and maybe we would do things differently but ffs calm down with the hyperbole and innuendos that this thread has descended into.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 12:31:52 PM
phew! thanks for putting me at ease benny. and theres me gettin all worked up about nothin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 27, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....

I think we all know that's bullshit. If any case if a scenario like this did develop I would hope that the county board would tell a corporate sponsor to ram it rather than let them dictate internal policy. RTE have treated Tyrone GAA and their players disgracefully in recent years.Tiernan McCann and Sean Cavanagh are just two players who were the result of despicable campaigns never mind the depths they sank to with Mickey Harte.

Well believe what what you want too believe..... the whole thing is rotten to core where does it all end, time will tell the way the 3 year contract was handed out and the way the sponsorship was handled is stinking and cannot end good..... Sean Cavanagh was not long runnng to RTE after he retired for a man who was insulted.... there is a dictatorship operating here people will catch on when its too late we are nearly there......

That's Sean Cavanagh's prerogative. Tyrone GAA are within their rights not to talk to RTE and given how RTE have treated  Tyrone GAA I cannot understand the clamour for us to engage with them not can I understand the clamour for corporate sponsors to dictate internal policy. I guess that tells you more about the agenda of those who express such wishes.

Sean Cavanagh Brian McGuigan Philip Jordan among others have all done work for RTE after Tyrone retirement that would tell me that that dont support the dictatorship that operates from within this County..... why not just tell McAleer and Rushe the situation will not be changing??? instead of doing what was done its wrong and stinks from the highest heavon....Mickey Harte managers our football team he should keep his nose out of everything else......

They haven't just worked for rte. They have done interviews also. Sean cavanagh was on this morning for about 10 minutes chatting about moys win yesterday. Harte I'm sure would have been disgusted at the betrayal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....

I think we all know that's bullshit. If any case if a scenario like this did develop I would hope that the county board would tell a corporate sponsor to ram it rather than let them dictate internal policy. RTE have treated Tyrone GAA and their players disgracefully in recent years.Tiernan McCann and Sean Cavanagh are just two players who were the result of despicable campaigns never mind the depths they sank to with Mickey Harte.

Well believe what what you want too believe..... the whole thing is rotten to core where does it all end, time will tell the way the 3 year contract was handed out and the way the sponsorship was handled is stinking and cannot end good..... Sean Cavanagh was not long runnng to RTE after he retired for a man who was insulted.... there is a dictatorship operating here people will catch on when its too late we are nearly there......

That's Sean Cavanagh's prerogative. Tyrone GAA are within their rights not to talk to RTE and given how RTE have treated  Tyrone GAA I cannot understand the clamour for us to engage with them not can I understand the clamour for corporate sponsors to dictate internal policy. I guess that tells you more about the agenda of those who express such wishes.

Sean Cavanagh Brian McGuigan Philip Jordan among others have all done work for RTE after Tyrone retirement that would tell me that that dont support the dictatorship that operates from within this County..... why not just tell McAleer and Rushe the situation will not be changing??? instead of doing what was done its wrong and stinks from the highest heavon....Mickey Harte managers our football team he should keep his nose out of everything else......

Yes, that's right - Mickey Harte is manager of the football team. Odd how you think a key figure who works with the players everyday should not have any influence of the roles of the people he is charged with managing but on the other hand you think it acceptable external parties like McAleer and Rushe who have no direct involvement with the players should be dictating internal policy.

It's no business of any commercial sponsor to dictate internal policy of Tyrone GAA.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 12:52:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
bomber i think you are forgetting that tyrone had a very good relationship with rte up until may 2011 when mickey harte decided to stick his nose in their business. its been downhill since then and the reason why rte cant wait to have a pop at tyrone players. like them or not we need to keep the national media on our side because anything else is counterproductive long term.

If RTE can't wait to have unjustified pops at Tyrone players and the Tyrone team because they have a personal difference with our manager then surely that has to reinforce why we shouldn't deal with them. f**k them. Players have the chance to make a bit of money from media gigs after they retire, I wish they wouldn't work with RTE given some of the nasty and personal manner they have dealt with Tyrone players and Mickey Harte recently but at the end of the day that's their own prerogative.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 12:53:41 PM
wise up bomber. did mc aleer and rushe try to pick the team? no they are investing sponsorship money and they are entitled to get as much coverage out of it as possible. the media ban does not allow this so they are right to ask for something be done about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So the situation is...McAleer and Rush deal up for renewal they meet County Executive and Club Tyrone,finance all sorted and they question is it possible a player can be made available to RTE when asked for an interview after the game,County executive relay information back to Mickey Harte to broker a deal,Harte then on his own bat sources a "new sponsor" offering more money than McAleer and Rushe they say they will match it, they dont get contacted again and new sponsor is announced, no interviews on the night and Club Tyrone send no representatives to the launch..... not the last we will hear of this i presume.... there is some stink around Garvaghy at the minute and eventually this will not end good as the cartel seem to tighten the grip at every opportunity....

I think we all know that's bullshit. If any case if a scenario like this did develop I would hope that the county board would tell a corporate sponsor to ram it rather than let them dictate internal policy. RTE have treated Tyrone GAA and their players disgracefully in recent years.Tiernan McCann and Sean Cavanagh are just two players who were the result of despicable campaigns never mind the depths they sank to with Mickey Harte.

Well believe what what you want too believe..... the whole thing is rotten to core where does it all end, time will tell the way the 3 year contract was handed out and the way the sponsorship was handled is stinking and cannot end good..... Sean Cavanagh was not long runnng to RTE after he retired for a man who was insulted.... there is a dictatorship operating here people will catch on when its too late we are nearly there......

That's Sean Cavanagh's prerogative. Tyrone GAA are within their rights not to talk to RTE and given how RTE have treated  Tyrone GAA I cannot understand the clamour for us to engage with them not can I understand the clamour for corporate sponsors to dictate internal policy. I guess that tells you more about the agenda of those who express such wishes.

Sean Cavanagh Brian McGuigan Philip Jordan among others have all done work for RTE after Tyrone retirement that would tell me that that dont support the dictatorship that operates from within this County..... why not just tell McAleer and Rushe the situation will not be changing??? instead of doing what was done its wrong and stinks from the highest heavon....Mickey Harte managers our football team he should keep his nose out of everything else......

Yes, that's right - Mickey Harte is manager of the football team. Odd how you think a key figure who works with the players everyday should not have any influence of the roles of the people he is charged with managing but on the other hand you think it acceptable external parties like McAleer and Rushe who have no direct involvement with the players should be dictating internal policy.

It's no business of any commercial sponsor to dictate internal policy of Tyrone GAA.


Why did the county executive try to clear the air with Harte then??? This is not internal policy of Tyrone Gaa it is the internal policy of a full blown dictatorship..... Harte manages our football team he should not be sticking his nose into these things if he told County Executive his stance does not change and that is relayed to McAleer and Rushe of who ever the sponsor maybe thats fine.....but no he run off and sourced his own sponsor the cartel backed him...... Club Tyrone did not back him and has left a rift on that end.......can you not see this is wrong.... if our County executuive goes back and tells McAleer and rushe that Mickey stance has not changed and we are backing him that is fine who knows McAleer and Rushe may have excepted this but we dont know as no one had the manners to get back to them........ rubbing people up the wrong road at its best....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 27, 2017, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 12:31:52 PM
phew! thanks for putting me at ease benny. and theres me gettin all worked up about nothin.

You're talking about cartels and boycotts. You have lost the plot. Get a bit of perspective into your life man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 27, 2017, 01:04:38 PM
Any word on an under 20 manager? Was Mickey Donnelly not sounded out before he went to Derry?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 12:53:41 PM
wise up bomber. did mc aleer and rushe try to pick the team? no they are investing sponsorship money and they are entitled to get as much coverage out of it as possible. the media ban does not allow this so they are right to ask for something be done about it.


Well you seem to be upset that a corporate sponsor aren't allowed interfere with internal policy. It's a very strange position to take up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 27, 2017, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 27, 2017, 12:52:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
bomber i think you are forgetting that tyrone had a very good relationship with rte up until may 2011 when mickey harte decided to stick his nose in their business. its been downhill since then and the reason why rte cant wait to have a pop at tyrone players. like them or not we need to keep the national media on our side because anything else is counterproductive long term.

If RTE can't wait to have unjustified pops at Tyrone players and the Tyrone team because they have a personal difference with our manager then surely that has to reinforce why we shouldn't deal with them. f**k them. Players have the chance to make a bit of money from media gigs after they retire, I wish they wouldn't work with RTE given some of the nasty and personal manner they have dealt with Tyrone players and Mickey Harte recently but at the end of the day that's their own prerogative.

It's not just about making money. Sean Cavanagh was on rte radio this morning for nearly 10 minutes chatting about winning for moy yesterday. He did an interview with rte just a day after retiring. These are the type of unpaid interviews which he wasn't allowed to do for the last number of years. He's happy to do them now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 27, 2017, 05:01:26 PM
Rumour Mill has it McAleer and Rushe were shafted badly. Offer came in higher than their deal, they agreed to match it but the very next day "new sponsors" announced. Stinks

Also hearing Begleys are fuming. Apparently with all the "rumours" flying around they repeatedly asked the County Board/Representatives was there going to be a change and were reassured No. So they bought in loads and loads of McAleer and Rushe gear for Xmas only to be shafted also. Parents the same who have been paying off on gear for the big man
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on November 27, 2017, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 27, 2017, 05:01:26 PM
Rumour Mill has it McAleer and Rushe were shafted badly. Offer came in higher than their deal, they agreed to match it but the very next day "new sponsors" announced. Stinks

Also hearing Begleys are fuming. Apparently with all the "rumours" flying around they repeatedly asked the County Board/Representatives was there going to be a change and were reassured No. So they bought in loads and loads of McAleer and Rushe gear for Xmas only to be shafted also. Parents the same who have been paying off on gear for the big man


Not rumours..... stinking rotten the whole lot of it......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 27, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
Anyone who feels O Neills had nothing to do with rushing this all through for Christmas is very niave
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 27, 2017, 05:27:07 PM
have to make their money back from the 600 jerseys they handed out for free on fri nite !!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 27, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
I was talking to a man in athletic grounds yesterday who said he owns a sports shop in omagh and has £30k of gear that is now all useless.
It really has been handled terribly. Could be the next house of cards to fall
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 06:08:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 27, 2017, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 12:31:52 PM
phew! thanks for putting me at ease benny. and theres me gettin all worked up about nothin.

You're talking about cartels and boycotts. You have lost the plot. Get a bit of perspective into your life man.
well for some of us tyrone gaa IS our life! we only want to see whats best for our county. not like all the takers and selve servers in the cartel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 27, 2017, 06:14:27 PM
Look for me the sponsor on the jersey makes zero difference to me, but if McAleer and Rushe were shafted then that's bad. It is a bit strange that both our last sponsors had an issue with RTE, to try and combat this we seem to have went to Ballygawley. So be it. The RTE ban doesn't affect the players and their profile as evidenced by our All-Star quota in the last few years. Basically much ado about nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 27, 2017, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 27, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
I was talking to a man in athletic grounds yesterday who said he owns a sports shop in omagh and has £30k of gear that is now all useless.
It really has been handled terribly. Could be the next house of cards to fall

That is scandalous, it's people's livelihoods we're talking about here. I'm disappointed in roisin jordan. I thought she was capable of standing up to harte but obviously not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 27, 2017, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 06:08:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 27, 2017, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 12:31:52 PM
phew! thanks for putting me at ease benny. and theres me gettin all worked up about nothin.

You're talking about cartels and boycotts. You have lost the plot. Get a bit of perspective into your life man.
well for some of us tyrone gaa IS our life! we only want to see whats best for our county. not like all the takers and selve servers in the cartel.

Interesting that you do nothing only moan about things though. If it is "your life" then do something positive about, join a club in Tyrone, get on their committee, get yourself onto the county board and make a difference. After all it IS your life we are talking about here, you don't want to waste it moaning on an online message board about cartels, boycotts, collusion, scandals etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 08:50:43 PM
ok benny we are all just a bunch of moaners. people like you who come on here to constantly defend the indefensible are as much a part of the problem as these cartels. shame on you. and btw i have done something positive about it, i dont pay in to games anymore or buy jerseys, in fact i wouldnt spend a penny on anything to do with tyrone county team at the minute. hit them where it hurts, in the pocket. feeling better already actually.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 27, 2017, 09:09:04 PM
In a Tyrone Donegal championship game in ballybofey Ricey was working for RTE on the sideline an Harte told him " your some Tyrone man". I know what I would have done if I was Mcmenamin. As it turns out were all great Tyrone men it's just most will have nothing to do with thon boy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on November 27, 2017, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 08:50:43 PM
ok benny we are all just a bunch of moaners. people like you who come on here to constantly defend the indefensible are as much a part of the problem as these cartels. shame on you. and btw i have done something positive about it, i dont pay in to games anymore or buy jerseys, in fact i wouldnt spend a penny on anything to do with tyrone county team at the minute. hit them where it hurts, in the pocket. feeling better already actually.

Gees i'd hate to see you if you were being negative :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 09:34:46 PM
im like that volcano out in bali. close to erupting.  >:( >:
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 27, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 09:34:46 PM
im like that volcano out in bali. close to erupting.  >:( >:

You are a total bluffer!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 27, 2017, 10:20:47 PM
look i really think all this talk of a ballygawley cartel is really over the top. if we had a training centre in garvaghey minus a kitchen bought at an exorbitant price a ballygawley sponsor with tyrone fabrication you couldnt make it up in the title then maybe just maybe thered be a case to answer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 27, 2017, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 08:50:43 PM
ok benny we are all just a bunch of moaners. people like you who come on here to constantly defend the indefensible are as much a part of the problem as these cartels. shame on you. and btw i have done something positive about it, i dont pay in to games anymore or buy jerseys, in fact i wouldnt spend a penny on anything to do with tyrone county team at the minute. hit them where it hurts, in the pocket. feeling better already actually.

Ha  ;D, the typical hurler on the ditch. Not buying a jersey doesn't make you Che Guevara you know. Seriously, if it "IS" your life, I can't understand why you don't get yourself involved. Actually give up a bit of your time to help the GAA in the county get out of this cartel driven, corrupt malaise you so clearly think it is in. Maybe you'll find out that pleasing all of the people all of the time isn't as easy as you think..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 10:38:50 PM
you know nothing about what time i give up for the gaa. and when u say get 'involved' do you mean get involved with the cartel? cant beat them join them kinda thing? sorry but ive more decency in me to have anything to do with them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 28, 2017, 09:31:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 10:38:50 PM
you know nothing about what time i give up for the gaa. and when u say get 'involved' do you mean get involved with the cartel? cant beat them join them kinda thing? sorry but ive more decency in me to have anything to do with them.

If you gave half as much time to the gaa as you do to talking absolute tripe in hear you should be on for some volunteers award!

I wonder is this just a bot paid for by one of our jealous neighbours to try and cause unrest! Whatever you are you aren't a tyrone man!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 28, 2017, 09:41:11 AM
Yous are gettin very tetchy lads. Have I hit a nerve? I suppose the truth really does hurt sometimes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 28, 2017, 10:33:43 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2017, 10:38:50 PM
you know nothing about what time i give up for the gaa. and when u say get 'involved' do you mean get involved with the cartel? cant beat them join them kinda thing? sorry but ive more decency in me to have anything to do with them.

Quote from: BennyHarp on September 13, 2017, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 13, 2017, 10:55:54 PM
well at least i know for next time. il just have to get on my committee and work my way up to county delegate. i hve 3 yrs then i can vote him out to f**k.

Well i know you aren't on your club committee. How's the 3 year plan to vote Mickey out going? You were so enthusiastic back in September. Did you realise it was too much like hard work actually doing something in your club so decided not to buy a new county jersey instead? You are a proper leader of the revolution. What a pity you weren't around in 1916.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 28, 2017, 12:17:01 PM
Some use being on our commitee! Our delegate voted for mickeys 3 year extension without even consulting the commitee! I raised the issue at our AGM but not confident anything will. I pretty sure this happened in alot of clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 28, 2017, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 19, 2017, 05:11:35 PM
southtyronegael - Before I start, I am no longer a fan of Mickey Harte. I used to be, His legacy is untouchable, what he done for Tyrone will never be forgotten. I believe its time he went before he ruins what people remember what he brought to Tyrone

But

For a long time I agreed with what you said, we were on a similar wave, but nowadays your just plain annoying. Hartes going no were, I dont like it, but I have to accept it. Either shut up with your constant hatred or leave the thread. You offer nothing these days and I for one am sick hearing the same cr@p day in day out from you

19th September I wrote to give it a rest southtyronegael but yet we still are reading your constant drivel of abuse to Harte. My stance hasnt changed, I aint a fan, but I dont post about it almost every single time, Move on, we know you dont like him, but contribute on a footballing level anytime, try it, it might distract you from your hatred and you never know, you might like it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 28, 2017, 01:14:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 28, 2017, 12:17:01 PM
Some use being on our commitee! Our delegate voted for mickeys 3 year extension without even consulting the commitee! I raised the issue at our AGM but not confident anything will. I pretty sure this happened in alot of clubs.
Sort out the problem with your  club committee first then. That's your job now. The anger has been temporarily redirected.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 28, 2017, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 28, 2017, 12:17:01 PM
Some use being on our commitee! Our delegate voted for mickeys 3 year extension without even consulting the commitee! I raised the issue at our AGM but not confident anything will. I pretty sure this happened in alot of clubs.

Jeez, the cartel has infiltrated your own club. How did you let that happen? If I where you I wouldn't buy a club jersey this year. That'll show them not to mess with you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 28, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
Surprised no forwards were called up at all. Does anyone know if Conor O'Donnell got a call again or Conan Grugan?

I would imagine ronan McHughn might get more of a run in mc kenna cup anyway after an impressive year with his club
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on November 29, 2017, 02:04:31 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 28, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
Surprised no forwards were called up at all. Does anyone know if Conor O'Donnell got a call again or Conan Grugan?

I would imagine ronan McHughn might get more of a run in mc kenna cup anyway after an impressive year with his club
I think the only forward called up was Stephen O Neill, it's gonna be his job to collect the cones after training. Good man Stevey!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
Was it just the 3 called up? Ciaran Mc Laughlin, brendan burns and michael mc kernan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 29, 2017, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
Was it just the 3 called up? Ciaran Mc Laughlin, brendan burns and michael mc kernan?

makes sense to me, its not forwards is our problem, it is a system that is built on protection full backs who are not good man markers, or good when isolated one to one, which restricts our ability to play a more offensive minded way. getting better defenders to an absolute priority to developing a more offensive game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 29, 2017, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
Was it just the 3 called up? Ciaran Mc Laughlin, brendan burns and michael mc kernan?

makes sense to me, its not forwards is our problem, it is a system that is built on protection full backs who are not good man markers, or good when isolated one to one, which restricts our ability to play a more offensive minded way. getting better defenders to an absolute priority to developing a more offensive game.
I would agree with that yes, all 3 are better players than aidan mc crory.. however like many others I believe Mc Crory's club location within Tyrone helps his case in starting every game! That debate is for another day though....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 29, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 29, 2017, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
Was it just the 3 called up? Ciaran Mc Laughlin, brendan burns and michael mc kernan?

makes sense to me, its not forwards is our problem, it is a system that is built on protection full backs who are not good man markers, or good when isolated one to one, which restricts our ability to play a more offensive minded way. getting better defenders to an absolute priority to developing a more offensive game.
I would agree with that yes, all 3 are better players than aidan mc crory.. however like many others I believe Mc Crory's club location within Tyrone helps his case in starting every game! That debate is for another day though....

That debate has been happening for a while now. Where ye been??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 29, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 29, 2017, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
Was it just the 3 called up? Ciaran Mc Laughlin, brendan burns and michael mc kernan?

makes sense to me, its not forwards is our problem, it is a system that is built on protection full backs who are not good man markers, or good when isolated one to one, which restricts our ability to play a more offensive minded way. getting better defenders to an absolute priority to developing a more offensive game.
I would agree with that yes, all 3 are better players than aidan mc crory.. however like many others I believe Mc Crory's club location within Tyrone helps his case in starting every game! That debate is for another day though....

That debate has been happening for a while now. Where ye been??
I'm well aware off it..I'll let it sit until the season starts before ridiculing the decision though  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 29, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 29, 2017, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
Was it just the 3 called up? Ciaran Mc Laughlin, brendan burns and michael mc kernan?

makes sense to me, its not forwards is our problem, it is a system that is built on protection full backs who are not good man markers, or good when isolated one to one, which restricts our ability to play a more offensive minded way. getting better defenders to an absolute priority to developing a more offensive game.
I would agree with that yes, all 3 are better players than aidan mc crory.. however like many others I believe Mc Crory's club location within Tyrone helps his case in starting every game! That debate is for another day though....

Such stupidity to suggest that.
Sure why doesn't Mickey  just pick the entire Errigal team if that's the case!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 29, 2017, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 29, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 29, 2017, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 29, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
Was it just the 3 called up? Ciaran Mc Laughlin, brendan burns and michael mc kernan?

makes sense to me, its not forwards is our problem, it is a system that is built on protection full backs who are not good man markers, or good when isolated one to one, which restricts our ability to play a more offensive minded way. getting better defenders to an absolute priority to developing a more offensive game.
I would agree with that yes, all 3 are better players than aidan mc crory.. however like many others I believe Mc Crory's club location within Tyrone helps his case in starting every game! That debate is for another day though....

Such stupidity to suggest that.
Sure why doesn't Mickey  just pick the entire Errigal team if that's the case!!!

Don't be giving him ideas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 30, 2017, 11:36:41 AM
I see all Ireland finalists mayo have called up 15 new players to their squad. Very progressive thinking manager they have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 30, 2017, 11:38:59 AM
Championship runners up and league champions but only have two on the panel. The bias is sickening from Mickey!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 30, 2017, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: TF15 on November 30, 2017, 11:38:59 AM
Championship runners up and league champions but only have two on the panel. The bias is sickening from Mickey!
;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on November 30, 2017, 12:22:56 PM
There are about 50 fellas in the county of the same footballing ability as the vast majority of the squad, and that is the problem with Tyrone team. We just haven't got the players to annex Dublin / Mayo / Kerry. In my opinion two ulster titles back to back is a great achievement for the squad we have. Hopefully we can push on next year and with a bit of luck see the end stages of the championship and remain in division 1. 


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 30, 2017, 04:15:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 30, 2017, 11:36:41 AM
I see all Ireland finalists mayo have called up 15 new players to their squad. Very progressive thinking manager they have.

That...and their team is away on holidays just after xmas so they'll need someone to fulfill fixtures.

As Cheiftain has just posted, I agree with fully. We have a lot of players in Tyrone on the same level - I'm thinking O'Neill, Bradley, McCurry, Lee Brennan (slightly unfair as he hasn't actually got his chance perhaps). On any given day these lads could score 1-3 and get Tyrone a win....the problem is none are consistent enough and there is also, on any given day, they could go missing.

Defensively, they have called up three players much promoted on this board and anyone who has seen them play or played against will have high hopes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 01, 2017, 09:15:56 AM
 O'Neill, Bradley, McCurry, Brennan--the problem I see with these players is their lack of confidence, due to the defensive system ( a system that most teams use TBH )
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 01, 2017, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 01, 2017, 09:15:56 AM
O'Neill, Bradley, McCurry, Brennan--the problem I see with these players is their lack of confidence, due to the defensive system ( a system that most teams use TBH )

Wouldn't argue against that, they have to do a lot of running before they even get close to shooting range most of the time. High output like that just before shooting, increases likelihood of dropped short or wide ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 01, 2017, 11:55:51 AM
Ben McDonnell Errigal also called up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 01, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Is it the same management team as last year but with Stevie O'Neill added?
I really do hope there is some sort of change of tactics for the league.
A few of us are going down to Galway on the Sat night from Dublin if anyone else fancies it.

Where's a good pub to meet in Omagh before a match.
Thinking of inviting up a few Dub mates for the battle of Omagh part II on 3rd Feb.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PW Nally on December 05, 2017, 11:11:09 AM
Is there any place I can get a list of players of Tyrone county minor teams from the early 1970s? Photos would be a bonus.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 05, 2017, 03:29:45 PM
For any of ye interested I've a squad of Dubs coming up on Sat 3rd Feb and staying the night in Strabane for a nights craic

I'm predicting a good red hand spanking on and OFF the field that night

We owe them for how they treated us as AI champs in 2006 in the BOO part I

I would say they'll play their 3rd time mind you and still give us a good game but my mates reckon those new lads will be busting their gut to break into the squad for the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2017, 03:48:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 05, 2017, 03:29:45 PM
For any of ye interested I've a squad of Dubs coming up on Sat 3rd Feb and staying the night in Strabane for a nights craic

I'm predicting a good red hand spanking on and OFF the field that night

We owe them for how they treated us as AI champs in 2006 in the BOO part I

I would say they'll play their 3rd time mind you and still give us a good game but my mates reckon those new lads will be busting their gut to break into the squad for the summer.

Strabane is the right spot to go alright. Some of your mates from Dublin might feel at home around Ballycolman.


Had to edit this.....this was a tongue in cheek joke before anyone gets upset. It's actually a great pitch to play on, great atmosphere.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on December 06, 2017, 09:21:51 AM
Paul Devlin has been appointed un20 manager on 3 year term
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Brit Referee on December 06, 2017, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 06, 2017, 09:21:51 AM
Paul Devlin has been appointed un20 manager on 3 year term

A great appointment, he was very unlucky against Derry in 2016 and then was beaten by the same team that went on to be beaten in an all Ireland final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on December 06, 2017, 10:23:15 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 06, 2017, 09:21:51 AM
Paul Devlin has been appointed un20 manager on 3 year term

Awful appointment, done nothing with minors
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on December 06, 2017, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: The Brit Referee on December 06, 2017, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 06, 2017, 09:21:51 AM
Paul Devlin has been appointed un20 manager on 3 year term

A great appointment, he was very unlucky against Derry in 2016 and then was beaten by the same team that went on to be beaten in an all Ireland final

is the brit referee Michael Connolly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 06, 2017, 11:30:27 AM
Fuzzman, with all due respect there no point talking about battles with Dublin. We were supposed to have one on 27th august but only one side turned up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on December 06, 2017, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 06, 2017, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: The Brit Referee on December 06, 2017, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 06, 2017, 09:21:51 AM
Paul Devlin has been appointed un20 manager on 3 year term

A great appointment, he was very unlucky against Derry in 2016 and then was beaten by the same team that went on to be beaten in an all Ireland final

is the brit referee Michael Connolly?

Could be Devlin himself
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on December 06, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
Who is Paul's backroom team?
Was it just Archie Beattie, Larry Strain and Joe McMahon as a team they were up against?
Big call in fairness. Must have been cost that swayed it in Devlin's favour!?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on December 06, 2017, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 06, 2017, 09:21:51 AM
Paul Devlin has been appointed un20 manager on 3 year term

I think it is a good appointment - he has had successful with groups of players before and to be fair to him he did get a rotten draw two years running in minors.

Had it not been for a poor ref decision in 1st round v Derry I believe they would have won that game and we know Derry went all the way to the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on December 06, 2017, 03:24:15 PM
Sure you got a penalty in injury time to reduce it to 1 point!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on December 06, 2017, 03:34:11 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 06, 2017, 03:24:15 PM
Sure you got a penalty in injury time to reduce it to 1 point!

No I'm talking about the incident where Tyrone player got harshly sent off early in 2nd half - I think that was the turning point. Not saying Tyrone where defo going to win 15 v 15 but I think it would have been competitive to the end and just thought that Tyrone could pip them like in the league final when Tyrone finished strongly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on December 06, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
Also his record would be pretty similar to Larry Strain's. He won a club championship as well with Ballinderry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 06, 2017, 05:41:30 PM
Awful appointment. Poor management decisions were the problem over the last couple of Minor Championship games over the last few years.

As he said himself last year, the team they chose to play against Derry in the Championship had NEVER played together before. WTF?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Brit Referee on December 06, 2017, 06:46:04 PM
Quote from: driveherin on December 06, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
Who is Paul's backroom team?
Was it just Archie Beattie, Larry Strain and Joe McMahon as a team they were up against?
Big call in fairness. Must have been cost that swayed it in Devlin's favour!?

We ll not know his back room team til he lucks up inta the sky and sees them peering down at him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 06, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 06, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
Also his record would be pretty similar to Larry Strain's. He won a club championship as well with Ballinderry.

Didn't know he managed ballinderry
Don't think it's a done deal just yet but both Gallagher and devlin are the preferred candidates with both our chairperson and senior manager but no official announcement yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Brit Referee on December 06, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 06, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 06, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
Also his record would be pretty similar to Larry Strain's. He won a club championship as well with Ballinderry.

Didn't know he managed ballinderry
Don't think it's a done deal just yet but both Gallagher and devlin are the preferred candidates with both our chairperson and senior manager but no official announcement yet

Devlin managed Ballinderry surely after a fallout but his children then started to kick a bit a ball and he returned to his beloved Moortown and after rising through the ranks at underage he managed back to back minor crowns and then was surplus to requirements and a fallout followed again, his lads were rumored to be transferring to another club

Ardboe management whom managed back to back minor titles suffered the same fate as them were chased last year after 1 year of a 2/3 year term

Derrylaughan won promotion this year to via a sterling performance in the league and were very unlucky not to win the double albeit some poor decisions by the ref cost them dearly , if my source is correct they have also chased their management team

Is there something in the water round the lough or what ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 06, 2017, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 06, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 06, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
Also his record would be pretty similar to Larry Strain's. He won a club championship as well with Ballinderry.

Didn't know he managed ballinderry
Don't think it's a done deal just yet but both Gallagher and devlin are the preferred candidates with both our chairperson and senior manager but no official announcement yet

Has the senior manager a say in the u17 and u20 management appointments ?
Do you want STG to go mental altogether
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 06, 2017, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 06, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 06, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
Also his record would be pretty similar to Larry Strain's. He won a club championship as well with Ballinderry.

Didn't know he managed ballinderry
Don't think it's a done deal just yet but both Gallagher and devlin are the preferred candidates with both our chairperson and senior manager but no official announcement yet
I'd say your on the windup but sure mickey has to have a say on everything else in Tyrone so why not this too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bendyerback on December 07, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
Quote from: The Brit Referee on December 06, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 06, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 06, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
Also his record would be pretty similar to Larry Strain's. He won a club championship as well with Ballinderry.

Didn't know he managed ballinderry
Don't think it's a done deal just yet but both Gallagher and devlin are the preferred candidates with both our chairperson and senior manager but no official announcement yet

Devlin managed Ballinderry surely after a fallout but his children then started to kick a bit a ball and he returned to his beloved Moortown and after rising through the ranks at underage he managed back to back minor crowns and then was surplus to requirements and a fallout followed again, his lads were rumored to be transferring to another club

Ardboe management whom managed back to back minor titles suffered the same fate as them were chased last year after 1 year of a 2/3 year term

Derrylaughan won promotion this year to via a sterling performance in the league and were very unlucky not to win the double albeit some poor decisions by the ref cost them dearly , if my source is correct they have also chased their management team

Is there something in the water round the lough or what ?

The lowside around the loughshore has always been a bit mad. If you want to stay in management around there, don't be a successful youth manager.

Devlin was successful and got the road in moortown and as you say, so did the Ardboe management who got one year with the senior squad, although their dismissal was nothing to do with football. Rumour has it that the ginger shop keeper in cahoots with the bookmaker and his skivvies (same family) planned the coup that was to end their managerial careers. But that's another topic for another day.

Devlin will probably get a role within the Ardboe youth structures given the fact that his sons are heading that direction, however, that doesn't interest me either. If he gets the Tyrone job and can produce results I will be happy enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on December 07, 2017, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Bendyerback on December 07, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
Quote from: The Brit Referee on December 06, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 06, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 06, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
Also his record would be pretty similar to Larry Strain's. He won a club championship as well with Ballinderry.

Didn't know he managed ballinderry
Don't think it's a done deal just yet but both Gallagher and devlin are the preferred candidates with both our chairperson and senior manager but no official announcement yet

Devlin managed Ballinderry surely after a fallout but his children then started to kick a bit a ball and he returned to his beloved Moortown and after rising through the ranks at underage he managed back to back minor crowns and then was surplus to requirements and a fallout followed again, his lads were rumored to be transferring to another club

Ardboe management whom managed back to back minor titles suffered the same fate as them were chased last year after 1 year of a 2/3 year term

Derrylaughan won promotion this year to via a sterling performance in the league and were very unlucky not to win the double albeit some poor decisions by the ref cost them dearly , if my source is correct they have also chased their management team

Is there something in the water round the lough or what ?

The lowside around the loughshore has always been a bit mad. If you want to stay in management around there, don't be a successful youth manager.

Devlin was successful and got the road in moortown and as you say, so did the Ardboe management who got one year with the senior squad, although their dismissal was nothing to do with football. Rumour has it that the ginger shop keeper in cahoots with the bookmaker and his skivvies (same family) planned the coup that was to end their managerial careers. But that's another topic for another day.

Devlin will probably get a role within the Ardboe youth structures given the fact that his sons are heading that direction, however, that doesn't interest me either. If he gets the Tyrone job and can produce results I will be happy enough.

I've read some far fetched stuff in my short-lived life on this forum, but this is surely the best. It sounds like an episode of eastenders.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on December 07, 2017, 06:04:02 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 07, 2017, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Bendyerback on December 07, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
Quote from: The Brit Referee on December 06, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: redzone on December 06, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 06, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
Also his record would be pretty similar to Larry Strain's. He won a club championship as well with Ballinderry.

Didn't know he managed ballinderry
Don't think it's a done deal just yet but both Gallagher and devlin are the preferred candidates with both our chairperson and senior manager but no official announcement yet

Devlin managed Ballinderry surely after a fallout but his children then started to kick a bit a ball and he returned to his beloved Moortown and after rising through the ranks at underage he managed back to back minor crowns and then was surplus to requirements and a fallout followed again, his lads were rumored to be transferring to another club

Ardboe management whom managed back to back minor titles suffered the same fate as them were chased last year after 1 year of a 2/3 year term

Derrylaughan won promotion this year to via a sterling performance in the league and were very unlucky not to win the double albeit some poor decisions by the ref cost them dearly , if my source is correct they have also chased their management team

Is there something in the water round the lough or what ?

The lowside around the loughshore has always been a bit mad. If you want to stay in management around there, don't be a successful youth manager.

Devlin was successful and got the road in moortown and as you say, so did the Ardboe management who got one year with the senior squad, although their dismissal was nothing to do with football. Rumour has it that the ginger shop keeper in cahoots with the bookmaker and his skivvies (same family) planned the coup that was to end their managerial careers. But that's another topic for another day.

Devlin will probably get a role within the Ardboe youth structures given the fact that his sons are heading that direction, however, that doesn't interest me either. If he gets the Tyrone job and can produce results I will be happy enough.

I've read some far fetched stuff in my short-lived life on this forum, but this is surely the best. It sounds like an episode of eastenders.

Nothing far fetched about it,

Ask anyman in Ardboe that has anything in him and he ll confirm all of the above and more
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 08, 2017, 10:43:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 06, 2017, 11:30:27 AM
Fuzzman, with all due respect there no point talking about battles with Dublin. We were supposed to have one on 27th august but only one side turned up.

Sorry STG. Dont know what came over me with the positivity. Probably been living here too long now and forgot the doom and gloom.

I've called it all off now and told the local hotels, pubs and restaurants to calm down and go back into their recession mode.

As for the Strabane comment, it just gives us another insight into the person who posted it.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 08, 2017, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 08, 2017, 10:43:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 06, 2017, 11:30:27 AM
Fuzzman, with all due respect there no point talking about battles with Dublin. We were supposed to have one on 27th august but only one side turned up.

Sorry STG. Dont know what came over me with the positivity. Probably been living here too long now and forgot the doom and gloom.

I've called it all off now and told the local hotels, pubs and restaurants to calm down and go back into their recession mode.

As for the Strabane comment, it just gives us another insight into the person who posted it.

That was me, I also clearly said it was a joke. You know what this is, right? I actually have relatives from Strabane and my family own a business in the area so it's most certainly a bit of banter. But take it how you wish.

Furthermore, 'another' insight? I've made about 100 posts on this forum, none of which have ever been considered controversial nor intended to be. A simple check of my posts would sort that issue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PW Nally on December 08, 2017, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on December 05, 2017, 11:11:09 AM
Is there any place I can get a list of players of Tyrone county minor teams from the early 1970s? Photos would be a bonus.

Thanks for the help.....oh wait.....

Anyone got minor all Ireland winning team and pane namesl from 1973?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 08, 2017, 05:10:08 PM
Liam Morris is the man keeps all the newspaper reports and photos of byegone years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on December 08, 2017, 08:35:16 PM
Who was Devlin up against? Was it Archie Beattie, Larry Strain and Joe McMahon?
That can't be right??????
PS He didn't win anything with Moortown or Ballinderry
Who makes the decision for the CB?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ladies only on December 10, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Does anyone know why Tyrone Ladies minors are having three hour training sessions,  i heard from a parent in East Tyrone that 15 girls have refused to play for the manager this year as he is aggressive and hateful to them. Is that why so many of the players went to senior set up. Is it the same minor management as last year, i heard they weren't good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 10, 2017, 03:10:11 PM
Quote from: ladies only on December 10, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Does anyone know why Tyrone Ladies minors are having three hour training sessions,  i heard from a parent in East Tyrone that 15 girls have refused to play for the manager this year as he is aggressive and hateful to them. Is that why so many of the players went to senior set up. Is it the same minor management as last year, i heard they weren't good.

I see it Hugh Donnelly for coming year, whoever he is. Aye three hours a bit long unless they train and go to movies after or something!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on December 10, 2017, 03:17:41 PM
Why don't you ring up the manager and ask him, if you are so worried?
Instead of going on to a message board about it.
Ring him and ask why it's 3hours - if your that bothered about it.

Quote from: longballin on December 10, 2017, 03:10:11 PM
Quote from: ladies only on December 10, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Does anyone know why Tyrone Ladies minors are having three hour training sessions,  i heard from a parent in East Tyrone that 15 girls have refused to play for the manager this year as he is aggressive and hateful to them. Is that why so many of the players went to senior set up. Is it the same minor management as last year, i heard they weren't good.

I see it Hugh Donnelly for coming year, whoever he is. Aye three hours a bit long unless they train and go to movies after or something!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: scout on December 15, 2017, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: DEL on December 08, 2017, 08:35:16 PM
Who was Devlin up against? Was it Archie Beattie, Larry Strain and Joe McMahon?
That can't be right??????
PS He didn't win anything with Moortown or Ballinderry
Who makes the decision for the CB?

He won a Grade 1 Double double with Moortown minors, the 2 years he was there. But did get defeated 1st hurdle in Ulster to Derry in his 2 years as Tyrone minor manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 18, 2017, 02:23:00 PM
Startling News !!!

Tyrone Senior Footballers played a challenge game on Saturday. Maybe this is the change of thinking we've been waiting for.
Drew with Carlow  btw
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on December 18, 2017, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 18, 2017, 02:23:00 PM
Startling News !!!

Tyrone Senior Footballers played a challenge game on Saturday. Maybe this is the change of thinking we've been waiting for.

No chance, Mickey is a principled man, would never he depart from such a noble stance, he'd end up falling out with himself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 18, 2017, 04:08:35 PM
Quote from: tiempo on December 18, 2017, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 18, 2017, 02:23:00 PM
Startling News !!!

Tyrone Senior Footballers played a challenge game on Saturday. Maybe this is the change of thinking we've been waiting for.

No chance, Mickey is a principled man, would never he depart from such a noble stance, he'd end up falling out with himself.

Maybe it was Sean cavanagh who didn't allow Mickey to play challenge games
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 18, 2017, 04:22:27 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 18, 2017, 02:23:00 PM
Startling News !!!

Tyrone Senior Footballers played a challenge game on Saturday. Maybe this is the change of thinking we've been waiting for.
Drew with Carlow  btw

Draw with Carlow, really?

Do you happen to know of the line up by any chance?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on December 18, 2017, 05:27:05 PM
Carlow definitely a team on the up, gave Dublin a better game than Tyrone did.
We'd probably have taken a draw at this stage of the season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bring back club football on December 18, 2017, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 18, 2017, 05:27:05 PM
Carlow definitely a team on the up, gave Dublin a better game than Tyrone did.
We'd probably have taken a draw at this stage of the season.

You can't be serious.It's Carlow.A Division 4 outfit!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on December 19, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Matty Donnelly new Tyrone captain...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on December 19, 2017, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 19, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Matty Donnelly new Tyrone captain...

Probably to be expected, I would have preferred Colm Cavanagh because he is a leader on the field but I respect the decision made. Hopefully he can raise Sam someday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 19, 2017, 12:28:03 PM
Hopefully.  Would love to see him add some zip to his game, speed up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 19, 2017, 01:11:05 PM
Bonfires in Trillick for his return home tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on December 19, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on December 19, 2017, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 19, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Matty Donnelly new Tyrone captain...

Probably to be expected, I would have preferred Colm Cavanagh because he is a leader on the field but I respect the decision made. Hopefully he can raise Sam someday.

Cavanagh is the one who looks most like a leader on the pitch particularly last season, but he was never gonna get it after him and Sean speaking to RTE.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 19, 2017, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 19, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on December 19, 2017, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 19, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Matty Donnelly new Tyrone captain...

Probably to be expected, I would have preferred Colm Cavanagh because he is a leader on the field but I respect the decision made. Hopefully he can raise Sam someday.

Cavanagh is the one who looks most like a leader on the pitch particularly last season, but he was never gonna get it after him and Sean speaking to RTE.

Oh look, it's the mentally disturbed Derry man fuelling his obsession again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on December 19, 2017, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 19, 2017, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 19, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on December 19, 2017, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 19, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Matty Donnelly new Tyrone captain...

Probably to be expected, I would have preferred Colm Cavanagh because he is a leader on the field but I respect the decision made. Hopefully he can raise Sam someday.

Cavanagh is the one who looks most like a leader on the pitch particularly last season, but he was never gonna get it after him and Sean speaking to RTE.

Oh look, it's the mentally disturbed Derry man fuelling his obsession again.

lol, that's really hilarious coming from the mentally deranged person obsessed with rugby and many other threads on the board. Cavanagh rarely has a bad game for tyrone and on the surface anyway shows good leadership skills. Donnelly has been inconsistent in the last season or 2 flopping in a number of big games. It's a surprise to me to see him picked ahead of cavanagh but taking into account the talking to RTE I'm not overly surprised.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 19, 2017, 07:55:46 PM
Colly Cavanagh won't be taking part in mc kenna cup so maybe Mattie will only be captain until his return.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on December 19, 2017, 11:03:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 19, 2017, 07:55:46 PM
Colly Cavanagh won't be taking part in mc kenna cup so maybe Mattie will only be captain until his return.

You're right, never thought of that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on December 20, 2017, 12:17:11 AM
Whichever captain picks Sam up next Aug/Sept is fine by me/my clubmates
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2017, 07:23:28 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 19, 2017, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 19, 2017, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 19, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on December 19, 2017, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 19, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Matty Donnelly new Tyrone captain...

Probably to be expected, I would have preferred Colm Cavanagh because he is a leader on the field but I respect the decision made. Hopefully he can raise Sam someday.

Cavanagh is the one who looks most like a leader on the pitch particularly last season, but he was never gonna get it after him and Sean speaking to RTE.

Oh look, it's the mentally disturbed Derry man fuelling his obsession again.

lol, that's really hilarious coming from the mentally deranged person obsessed with rugby and many other threads on the board. Cavanagh rarely has a bad game for tyrone and on the surface anyway shows good leadership skills. Donnelly has been inconsistent in the last season or 2 flopping in a number of big games. It's a surprise to me to see him picked ahead of cavanagh but taking into account the talking to RTE I'm not overly surprised.

You're the guy who obsesses over a rival county and goes to the trouble of creating about 5 fake Tyrone aliases, you are consumed and it does speak well for your mental state.

If I was you I'd be more worried about why players won't even bother playing for Derry rather than your anger at selection of Tyrone captains but that gives us a nice glimpse into the anger and resentment you have towards your own county at present.

Remember to check which account you're logged into when replying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on December 20, 2017, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2017, 07:23:28 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 19, 2017, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 19, 2017, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 19, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on December 19, 2017, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 19, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Matty Donnelly new Tyrone captain...

Probably to be expected, I would have preferred Colm Cavanagh because he is a leader on the field but I respect the decision made. Hopefully he can raise Sam someday.

Cavanagh is the one who looks most like a leader on the pitch particularly last season, but he was never gonna get it after him and Sean speaking to RTE.

Oh look, it's the mentally disturbed Derry man fuelling his obsession again.

lol, that's really hilarious coming from the mentally deranged person obsessed with rugby and many other threads on the board. Cavanagh rarely has a bad game for tyrone and on the surface anyway shows good leadership skills. Donnelly has been inconsistent in the last season or 2 flopping in a number of big games. It's a surprise to me to see him picked ahead of cavanagh but taking into account the talking to RTE I'm not overly surprised.

You're the guy who obsesses over a rival county and goes to the trouble of creating about 5 fake Tyrone aliases, you are consumed and it does speak well for your mental state.

If I was you I'd be more worried about why players won't even bother playing for Derry rather than your anger at selection of Tyrone captains but that gives us a nice glimpse into the anger and resentment you have towards your own county at present.

Remember to check which account you're logged into when replying.

You just love being the big bully Bomber don't you. Is that the way you are in real life also? I've seen it in lots of threads where if you don't like someone's opinions you resort to those sort of tactics and it's a bit pathetic. Talking about someone's mental health in such a trivial way says a lot about you but it also reveals you have some anger issues and a bit of paranoid delusion. Luckily my mental health is good and as I've told you before I am content to use one alias on here but you seem to be a bit thick to take that in. It is a discussion board and people are allowed to have opinions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2017, 08:50:44 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 20, 2017, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 20, 2017, 07:23:28 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 19, 2017, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 19, 2017, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 19, 2017, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on December 19, 2017, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on December 19, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
Matty Donnelly new Tyrone captain...

Probably to be expected, I would have preferred Colm Cavanagh because he is a leader on the field but I respect the decision made. Hopefully he can raise Sam someday.

Cavanagh is the one who looks most like a leader on the pitch particularly last season, but he was never gonna get it after him and Sean speaking to RTE.

Oh look, it's the mentally disturbed Derry man fuelling his obsession again.

lol, that's really hilarious coming from the mentally deranged person obsessed with rugby and many other threads on the board. Cavanagh rarely has a bad game for tyrone and on the surface anyway shows good leadership skills. Donnelly has been inconsistent in the last season or 2 flopping in a number of big games. It's a surprise to me to see him picked ahead of cavanagh but taking into account the talking to RTE I'm not overly surprised.

You're the guy who obsesses over a rival county and goes to the trouble of creating about 5 fake Tyrone aliases, you are consumed and it does speak well for your mental state.

If I was you I'd be more worried about why players won't even bother playing for Derry rather than your anger at selection of Tyrone captains but that gives us a nice glimpse into the anger and resentment you have towards your own county at present.

Remember to check which account you're logged into when replying.

You just love being the big bully Bomber don't you. Is that the way you are in real life also? I've seen it in lots of threads where if you don't like someone's opinions you resort to those sort of tactics and it's a bit pathetic. Talking about someone's mental health in such a trivial way says a lot about you but it also reveals you have some anger issues and a bit of paranoid delusion. Luckily my mental health is good and as I've told you before I am content to use one alias on here but you seem to be a bit thick to take that in. It is a discussion board and people are allowed to have opinions.

What sort of tactics are they? Asking a Derry man why he is more obsessed with a rival county than his own? A question you have unsurprisingly attempted to slip. Would it not be more in your line to question why some of the best footballers in Derry don't make themselves available to their county on a consistent basis? I don't really see why the appointment of a Tyrone player who has picked up two All Stars in three years as captain would be such a bone of contention to a Derry man. It is funny you're sobbing about being called out on it though.

Which alias did you mean to post that under by the way?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 20, 2017, 10:55:28 AM
What about a truce for the Xmas love one another.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 20, 2017, 11:29:31 AM
Truces are traditionally three days - Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing Day - carrying on fighting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 01, 2018, 05:00:04 PM
I was at the Teamtalk game yesterday in Fintona. Entertaining fare.

What's the craic with Ciaran McLaughlin from Omagh, and Tyrone? I know it was just a friendly but he looks a fine player. Played corner back but was up and down the field all day and good use of the ball when he did get it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 02, 2018, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 01, 2018, 05:00:04 PM
I was at the Teamtalk game yesterday in Fintona. Entertaining fare.

What's the craic with Ciaran McLaughlin from Omagh, and Tyrone? I know it was just a friendly but he looks a fine player. Played corner back but was up and down the field all day and good use of the ball when he did get it.

He was called up to the panel as far as I am aware, you'd imagine he'll get plenty of game time over McKenna cup.

Anyone going to Healy Park tomorrow evening?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 02, 2018, 11:50:02 AM
Teamtalk all stars are a bit of a farce are they not? I'm on record for praising the work done by the guys regarding club coverage, it really is great. However are the allstars based on votes or opinions of the teamtalk staff? How can Colm Cavanagh be awarded all star for the County, an Ulster All Star (again same situation these are Gaelic Life awards but are recognised at a provincial level) and not be recognised by Teamtalk? Is it because he got in other years?

If there are County All Stars should they not be decided on by a County Committee rather than a media grouping within the County?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 02, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
Tyrone not fit for games again - Away to Armagh again tomorrow night!  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 02, 2018, 05:48:18 PM
Wont be many games played with the weather we have.Time for a wee bit of remedial work in regard to drainage in Healy Park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 02, 2018, 06:12:06 PM
Tyrone GAA, are teamtalk awards not decided by an open public vote?

Unbelievable that 2018 starts with a home game moved out of Tyrone. Ridiculous that this happens so often.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 02, 2018, 06:25:41 PM
Whats the vote on TTM awards to do with Healy Park being unplayable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 02, 2018, 09:01:54 PM
Team for tomorrow
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
3 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
4 – Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
5 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
8 – Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 – Matthew Donnelly (c) – Trí Leac
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
14 – Harry Loughran – An Mhaigh
15 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
16 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
18 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac
19 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
20 – Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
22 – Ben McDonnell – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin
24 – Ciaran McLaughlin – An Ómaigh
25 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Ómaigh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 02, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 02, 2018, 06:12:06 PM
Tyrone GAA, are teamtalk awards not decided by an open public vote?

Unbelievable that 2018 starts with a home game moved out of Tyrone. Ridiculous that this happens so often.

They ask the public to vote but that would be for their own publicity and to build the brand. I don't believe the votes are solely determined by that or the clubs with the biggest membership numbers would pick up all the awards. I'm of the belief if there should be County awards they should be determined by those that run the County football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 02, 2018, 10:10:14 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 02, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 02, 2018, 06:12:06 PM
Tyrone GAA, are teamtalk awards not decided by an open public vote?

Unbelievable that 2018 starts with a home game moved out of Tyrone. Ridiculous that this happens so often.

They ask the public to vote but that would be for their own publicity and to build the brand. I don't believe the votes are solely determined by that or the clubs with the biggest membership numbers would pick up all the awards. I'm of the belief if there should be County awards they should be determined by those that run the County football.

Yeah, but the Tyrone county board can't really stop a media outlet from doing their own awards if they want. TTM does a great job and the awards do a good job highlighting club players achievements. In the big scheme of things to be getting annoyed about the TTM awards would be fairly way down the list.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 02, 2018, 10:13:56 PM
TTM should be applauded for all the excellent coverage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 02, 2018, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 02, 2018, 09:01:54 PM
Team for tomorrow
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
3 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
4 – Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
5 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
8 – Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 – Matthew Donnelly (c) – Trí Leac
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
14 – Harry Loughran – An Mhaigh
15 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
16 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
18 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac
19 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
20 – Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
22 – Ben McDonnell – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin
24 – Ciaran McLaughlin – An Ómaigh
25 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Ómaigh

Would have thought the new blood was thrown right in first game, see what happens?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2018, 10:36:36 PM
Surprised Harry Loughran is named with The Moy in action fairly soon!

The Slaughtneil lads arent togging out for Derry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 03, 2018, 08:38:55 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2018, 10:36:36 PM
Surprised Harry Loughran is named with The Moy in action fairly soon!

The Slaughtneil lads arent togging out for Derry.

Surprised at this myself, but I wouldn't be shocked if the team named is changed before the start of the game as MH likes to do (catch Antrim of guard  ;) ). Harry probably wants to be more than a spectator this season so if that's the case unfortunately for him and the Moy that means McKenna cup football. I doubt we will see Colm Cavanagh anywhere near the Tyrone set up until Moy end their interest in the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
harry loughran put in an impossible situation. big club game coming up, but he knows if he doesnt make himself available for mc kenna cup then his chances of playing league or championship football are next to zero. just ask owen mulligan. colly cavanagh will get away with not committing to mc kenna cup as he IS the tyrone football team at the minute. prob cost him the captaincy though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 03, 2018, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
harry loughran put in an impossible situation. big club game coming up, but he knows if he doesnt make himself available for mc kenna cup then his chances of playing league or championship football are next to zero. just ask owen mulligan. colly cavanagh will get away with not committing to mc kenna cup as he IS the tyrone football team at the minute. prob caused him the captaincy though.

Folks, I think idiot above  meant it 'cost' Cavanagh not 'caused'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
tanks fir corecting me spillins jumbo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on January 03, 2018, 12:08:16 PM
Completely unnecessary to play Harry Loughran unless specifically requested by the player/club and hard to fathom why they would. More than enough players to stand on the penalty spot for a couple of McKenna Cup games. Is this not the time of year Niall McKenna gets a few scores at FF and gives Mickey every excuse to retain him as training session fodder for the rest of the year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 03, 2018, 12:28:19 PM
Everythings a drama lol, what a way to start the year, complaining about Team Talk Awards and a fella lining out for the county probably for the specific reason mentioned above that he put himself forward. I'm sure he cleared it with his club. The risk is on his shoulders but I am sure he has weighed up risk v reward!

Nothing to see here
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on January 03, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
Why is Harte fielding such an experienced team, surely the McKenna Cup should be used for assessing the younger and new faces in the team, you would think it was all-ireland final or something.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 03, 2018, 02:04:54 PM
Tyrone have limited enough numbers due to the lads away with colleges, they have at least 3 games in 7 days, possibly 4 in 11 days. Harte can't play the same 15 in each game so the younger lads will get a chance. He typically mixes the youth with experience, it is hardly that surprising.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 03, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Helpline on January 03, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
Why is Harte fielding such an experienced team, surely the McKenna Cup should be used for assessing the younger and new faces in the team, you would think it was all-ireland final or something.

We've only brought in four new faces to the squad. There's not much experimenting to be done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shyted on January 03, 2018, 02:12:47 PM
STG you have won knob of the year three years straight and long odds on for this year too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 03, 2018, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: tiempo on January 03, 2018, 12:08:16 PM
Completely unnecessary to play Harry Loughran unless specifically requested by the player/club and hard to fathom why they would. More than enough players to stand on the penalty spot for a couple of McKenna Cup games. Is this not the time of year Niall McKenna gets a few scores at FF and gives Mickey every excuse to retain him as training session fodder for the rest of the year?

I would imagine Harry Loughran is very keen to get a run in the McKenna Cup. After being injured a lot of last year (his only previous appearance for Tyrone is 5 minutes at the end of the Mayo league game), he is in the form of his life and it gives him a chance to shoot the lights out against the fodder of Antrim and St Marys to stake a claim for the league and championship. I would assume he will play a part in the first 2 or 3 matches before heading back to the Moy, I think some of the Pomeroy lads did the same last year.

Are Petey Harte, McCrory, McNamee and McCarron on the McKenna Cup panel? Don't see them named in the squad for tonight and I think the rest would do them no harm. Errigal and Ahyaran had long club seasons last year while McCarron is now the oldest man in the panel and doesnt need to be playing football in January at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 03, 2018, 03:16:58 PM
Couldn't see McCarron being brought up from Kildare to play mid week football. Other boys get their chance in his position. Is McCarron older than McCrory? Regarding Harry Loughran and his injury record that's probably more reason for him not to play. You say Harte, McNamee has long club seasons Harry's hasn't stopped. I'm sure Moy are still training away.

I understand he is maybe keen to impress so hopefully it's his call and not something he's been pressured into. I think he can be a big asset to our full forward line, his brief outings with Tyrone last year as at half back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 03, 2018, 04:06:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 03, 2018, 03:16:58 PM
Couldn't see McCarron being brought up from Kildare to play mid week football. Other boys get their chance in his position. Is McCarron older than McCrory? Regarding Harry Loughran and his injury record that's probably more reason for him not to play. You say Harte, McNamee has long club seasons Harry's hasn't stopped. I'm sure Moy are still training away.

I understand he is maybe keen to impress so hopefully it's his call and not something he's been pressured into. I think he can be a big asset to our full forward line, his brief outings with Tyrone last year as at half back.

In relation to Harte, McCrory and McNamee, i meant that they are established players at this stage who have nothing to prove in the McKenna Cup so after a long season i think the break would do them good. Whereas Harry Loughran is at the beginning of his county career and untested players need to do their time in the pre season competitions.

Which lads are playing with their colleges this year? Off the top of my head I can only think of Bradley, Rory Brennan, Meyler and Mulgrew that are missing from the squad for tonight.

Does anyone know if the game is on Armagh tv tonight?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 04:33:13 PM
Quote from: shyted on January 03, 2018, 02:12:47 PM
STG you have won knob of the year three years straight and long odds on for this year too
knob? im not the one with shite as a profile name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 03, 2018, 04:40:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
tanks fir corecting me spillins jumbo.

Wasn't a spelling mistake. You actually believed the proper word was 'caused' in that case!
That's how thick you are!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on January 03, 2018, 05:16:15 PM
Anyone know if the match is on Armagh tv?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 03, 2018, 05:21:18 PM
Quote from: shyted on January 03, 2018, 02:12:47 PM
STG you have won knob of the year three years straight and long odds on for this year too

Well said, looks like another year of this massive knob, getting worse year on year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 05:32:24 PM
who told you i have a massive knob?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 03, 2018, 06:08:37 PM
Doesn't appear to be on Armagh TV, the team talk guys are covering it though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 03, 2018, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: tiempo on January 03, 2018, 12:08:16 PM
Completely unnecessary to play Harry Loughran unless specifically requested by the player/club and hard to fathom why they would. More than enough players to stand on the penalty spot for a couple of McKenna Cup games. Is this not the time of year Niall McKenna gets a few scores at FF and gives Mickey every excuse to retain him as training session fodder for the rest of the year?

Put the pitch forks away lads. Harry Loughran didn't start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 03, 2018, 08:51:22 PM
Ty 1-10 Ant 0-04 HT

Tyrone leaving four men up front. Sam's coming home.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 03, 2018, 09:24:07 PM
Regarding Harry Loughran I did say MH threw that selection in there to confuse Antrim as he likes to do  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 10:15:32 PM
well the result tonight should keep the mickey haters quiet for another while.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 04, 2018, 02:06:35 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 03, 2018, 04:40:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
tanks fir corecting me spillins jumbo.

Wasn't a spelling mistake. You actually believed the proper word was 'caused' in that case!
That's how thick you are!!!

Called you out on being thick... you conveniently ignored !!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 04, 2018, 07:44:24 AM
Impressive scoring, particularly from Burns.

Did anyone attend the game? Any notable changes in tactics? Who stood out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 04, 2018, 11:17:24 AM
Mattie Donnelly (first half) was excellent, I thought McShane put in a good shift at Midfield and obviously Burns was rewarded for his performance. There was no player that showed any weaknesses but that will come against better opposition. Some of the Antrim players were well of the pace and looked it by their physical appearance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 04, 2018, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 04, 2018, 07:44:24 AM
Impressive scoring, particularly from Burns.

Did anyone attend the game? Any notable changes in tactics? Who stood out?

No notable change in tactics. Still had forwards sitting outside their own square on several occasions and set up sweeping from the outset.

Burns well deserving of MoM.

HP mcGeary also good and Sludden, while hardly out of 2nd gear played some lovely passes into the forward line.

No one else was outstanding but no one was awful either, however they really had little to play against. Some of the Antrim players 'conditioning' looked suspect to say the least.

Having said that their 2 corner forwards won plenty of ball, especially off Brendan Burns. They did little once they got the ball though so maybe we were happy enough tactically to let them have it out by the sidelines.

McKernan had a solid start and mcCurry was lively again, though whether that consistency stays through the summer is the perennial question.

Good to see Skeet back, def looks like he spent recovery time lifting weights as he'd rival Mattie in the upper body stakes at the minute.

McShane is an enigma. Does some good work then looks clueless the next minute. I don't think MH knows where to play him and last night won't have helped.

Pretty facile win to be honest overall. Antrim miles off the pace and only caused any damage to the scoreboard when subs were rolled out and game was over as a contest.

SoN keeping a keen eye on the forward unit all game so hopefully there will be a few new wrinkles come business  time .....


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on January 04, 2018, 08:50:09 PM
Tyrone U.20 Trials Sunday 7th January 9.30am and 12.30pm

Kildress
Matthew Mc Guigan, Adam Connolly, Callum Holland, Corey Holland, Phelim Girvan
Killyclogher
P.T. Cunningham, Luke Murnaghan
Drumquin
Jamie Mc Aleer, James O Kane, Cormac Rodgers
Loughmacrory
Conal Grimes, Colm Logue, Oisin O'Kane, Cathaoir Gallagher, Arnoldas Macildulskas
Owen Roes
Conall Mc Cormack, Ryan Devine
Dromore
Ryan McCusker. Cahir Goodwin, Odhran Rafferty, Emmett McNabb, Caolan McCarron, Oran Sludden
Eglish
Cormac Byrne, Matthew McGleenan, Seamus Muldoon
Killeeshil
Pascal Donaghy, Liam Hughes
Newtownstewart - Eoin Donnelly
Carrickmore
Conor Loughran, Patrick McElduff, James McGurk, Oran McKee
Beragh
Oisin Donnelly, Callum Corrigan, Eoin Grimes
Strabane - Ruairi Gormley
Derrylaughan
Brian Kennedy, Tomas Carney, Paul Donnelly
Rock
Cormac O Neil, Liam Nugent,
Moy
Tom Loughran, Francie Kelly
Stewartstown
Gerard O'Neill, Stephen Talbot, Shea Burke
Pomeroy
Jude Campbell, , Aidan Mc Kenna,
Moortown
Tiernan Corr, Emmet McGuigan, Tiernan Hurl,Sean Conway
Tattyreagh - Peader Mullin

Killyman
Adam Cullen, Ronan McVeigh, Adam Roche
Omagh
Ciarán Breen, Damian McGuigan, Aidan Clarke, Cain Bradley
Dungannon
Oran Mallon, Brian McNulty, James Morgan, Dalaigh Jones, Mark McKearney
Edendork - Paul Donaghy
Carrickmore
Ciaran Daly, Ciaran Cuddy, Tiarnan Murray, Jarlath Kerr
Aghyaran
Brendan Gallen, Thomas Dolan, Eoin Byrne, Johnathon Connolly
Trillick
Ryan Gray, James Garrity
Clonoe
Ryan O'Neill, Michael O'Neill, Tyler Devlin, Adrian Devlin
Gortin
Patrick McCullagh, Séan Óg McAleer, Ciaran Brolly
Donaghmore
Dermot McCann, Brannon Molloy, Tiernan Drayne
Drumragh
Brendan McGrath, Shane Devine, Darragh OKane, Ciaran Donaghey
Coalisland
Odhrán Bayne, Conor Doyle, Bailey Leonard, Eoghan Rankin, Padraic Hamill,
Kevin O'Hanlon, Dylan Woods
Ardboe
Cormac Morgan, Jordan Bell, Ronan Cassidy, Gary Donnelly, Odie Devlin
Errigal Ciaran - Peter Og Mc Cartan
Clogher - Conor Shiels
Augher - Eoghan Keenan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on January 04, 2018, 08:53:27 PM
Has the U-20 management team been ratified by the county committee ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 04, 2018, 09:17:51 PM
Can't believe someone from Clonoe named their son Tyler.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 04, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: wee scully on January 04, 2018, 08:53:27 PM
Has the U-20 management team been ratified by the county committee ?

No!! But that's the County Board, they make the decisions County Committee are just yes men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 05, 2018, 02:01:51 PM
Tyroneman, explain "so hopefully there will be a few new wrinkles come business  time " re SoN
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 05, 2018, 02:11:59 PM
No one from Fr Rocks for trials. Whats happened the townies?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 05, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 05, 2018, 02:01:51 PM
Tyroneman, explain "so hopefully there will be a few new wrinkles come business  time " re SoN

Fairly straightforward.....there has been a lot of talk about how Dublin easily defeated the blanket defence in the AISF and how we are often left short in the forward line in the biggest games. To myself and those with me at the games, this definately seemed to be the case.

MH has been clear that he doesn't think he needs to abandon the entire system but that there would be some adjustments made. We can score plenty against most other teams, but just seem to fall short against Mayo, Dublin (and Kerry to a lesser extent) so we need to adjust our attacking strategy somewhere, especially when plan A doesn't work and we go 3-4 points down against one of thse sides.

I'm hoping that with one of Tyrone's best ever fowards on board coaching he will be able to help idenfity some ways to improve the forward units play such that we have a little more firepower and are not as easily nullified when (if) we play Mayo / Dublin again in the Championship.

I don't expect us to reveal our full tactical hand in the McKenna cup or even the early stages of the NFL, hence the 'new wrinkles' in our tactics coming out towards the business end.....

TL:DR - SoN will hopefully help us refine and improve our forward play and we will see the results in summertime.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 05, 2018, 07:38:47 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 05, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 05, 2018, 02:01:51 PM
Tyroneman, explain "so hopefully there will be a few new wrinkles come business  time " re SoN

Fairly straightforward.....there has been a lot of talk about how Dublin easily defeated the blanket defence in the AISF and how we are often left short in the forward line in the biggest games. To myself and those with me at the games, this definately seemed to be the case.

MH has been clear that he doesn't think he needs to abandon the entire system but that there would be some adjustments made. We can score plenty against most other teams, but just seem to fall short against Mayo, Dublin (and Kerry to a lesser extent) so we need to adjust our attacking strategy somewhere, especially when plan A doesn't work and we go 3-4 points down against one of thse sides.

I'm hoping that with one of Tyrone's best ever fowards on board coaching he will be able to help idenfity some ways to improve the forward units play such that we have a little more firepower and are not as easily nullified when (if) we play Mayo / Dublin again in the Championship.

I don't expect us to reveal our full tactical hand in the McKenna cup or even the early stages of the NFL, hence the 'new wrinkles' in our tactics coming out towards the business end.....

TL:DR - SoN will hopefully help us refine and improve our forward play and we will see the results in summertime.

Smoke and mirrors !!
Bring in Son to refine and improve our forward play ?
Mickey is brilliant at creating smokescreens and continually talking about improving the way we play.
It is impossible to improve our forward play without changing the way Tyrone play as a unit. Unless Mickey decides to commit a few more men into the forwards or leave forwards in place to stop opposition backs from strolling out with the ball then SoN role will be futile. 12 months ago we heard the arguments that had we taken our chances against Mayo we would have beat them, now we are hearing that had we not conceded a poor goal against Dublin we would have been really close to winning. I don't believe we will change much on the field. I fear that this time next year Mickey will bring in Brian Mc Guigan or someone similar and tell us all that we are so close and only need to tweak a few things before winning Sam again. Fundamentally the best teams will use width and patience to play through our blanket and when dropping back is your only way to defend it is very hard to close a gap if you fall behind.
Watching with great anticipation for Mickeys next tactical masterclass,
Yours faithfully ,
In hiding
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 05, 2018, 07:58:12 PM
Team to play St Marys in Coalisland on Sunday

1. Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2. Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3. Cathal McCarron – Baile Atha
4. Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
5. Ciaran McLaughlin – An Ómaigh
6. Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
7. Peter Harte (C) – Aireagal Chiaráin
8. Ben McDonnell – Aireagal Chiaráin
9. Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
10. Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac
11. Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
12. Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13. Ronan O'Neill – An Ómaigh
14. Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin
15. Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo

Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 07, 2018, 10:20:52 PM
any reports from todays game? who played well?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 07, 2018, 10:22:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 07, 2018, 10:20:52 PM
any reports from todays game? who played well?

Mickey played a blinder on the line. How did Fermanagh do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 08, 2018, 07:53:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 07, 2018, 10:20:52 PM
any reports from todays game? who played well?

I tend not to give you a hard time, I try and respect opinions but if you cared about the game that much you would have been there.

Coalisland was a great venue, I thought. 3,000 attendance well managed. Credit to the Fianna club.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 08, 2018, 08:49:38 AM
What's the early thoughts about Tyrone new lads pushing through this year?
Will we see Richie Donnelly become a regular if he can stay fit. Big IF I agree.
Will Lee Brennan finally become a regular this season? Is he considered too small or not as hard working as young Mulgrew? Has he a big year ahead of him?

Will Meyler be better suited in the half back this year like he was played in St Mary's or will he be in and out of the team like before?

Who is this McLaughlin lad from Omagh? Age? Size? Best position?
Also Ben McDonnell? Any good? Was I sitting beside him at the All stars? Very young lad up for MF prize?

Are ye all expecting Frank Burns to become a regular this season along with the two McGearys. From the outside looking in there certainly seems to be plenty of options fighting to get onto the starting 15 and I'm looking forward to the first league game in Galway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
There are some interesting prospects there.

I'd like to see some change in the full back line, I think we need more natural man markers there so chance for the likes of McKernan, HP McGeary, Cassidy and Burns to make a claim.

Ronan McHugh seems to have done reasonably well scoring rise in his run outs so far, looks like he might still have a bit of filling out to do but he's the only natural inside man we have around the 6ft mark.

I hope we will be more inclined to give a few of the lads who were on the periphery last year more of a run out this year. The likes of Cassidy, HP McGeary, Lee Brennan, McHugh need to get some game time in the league to adequately assess them. It would also be good to see if Rory Brennan, Richie Donnelly, McNabb and Meyler can shake off these niggly injuries they seem to be constantly carrying.

Loughran will be another good option when Moy conclude their club year.

For the league opener against Galway I think I'd like to see something along the following lines:

1. Morgan
2. McKernan
3. McCarron
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. K McGeary
8. McNulty
9. McClure
10. M Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. F Burns
13. L Brennan
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 08, 2018, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
There are some interesting prospects there.

I'd like to see some change in the full back line, I think we need more natural man markers there so chance for the likes of McKernan, HP McGeary, Cassidy and Burns to make a claim.

Ronan McHugh seems to have done reasonably well scoring rise in his run outs so far, looks like he might still have a bit of filling out to do but he's the only natural inside man we have around the 6ft mark.

I hope we will be more inclined to give a few of the lads who were on the periphery last year more of a run out this year. The likes of Cassidy, HP McGeary, Lee Brennan, McHugh need to get some game time in the league to adequately assess them. It would also be good to see if Rory Brennan, Richie Donnelly, McNabb and Meyler can shake off these niggly injuries they seem to be constantly carrying.

Loughran will be another good option when Moy conclude their club year.

For the league opener against Galway I think I'd like to see something along the following lines:

1. Morgan
2. McKernan
3. McCarron
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. K McGeary
8. McNulty
9. McClure
10. M Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. F Burns
13. L Brennan
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey

No Peter Harte or Aiden Mc Crory !!

Will they be away skiing ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:32:21 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 08, 2018, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
There are some interesting prospects there.

I'd like to see some change in the full back line, I think we need more natural man markers there so chance for the likes of McKernan, HP McGeary, Cassidy and Burns to make a claim.

Ronan McHugh seems to have done reasonably well scoring rise in his run outs so far, looks like he might still have a bit of filling out to do but he's the only natural inside man we have around the 6ft mark.

I hope we will be more inclined to give a few of the lads who were on the periphery last year more of a run out this year. The likes of Cassidy, HP McGeary, Lee Brennan, McHugh need to get some game time in the league to adequately assess them. It would also be good to see if Rory Brennan, Richie Donnelly, McNabb and Meyler can shake off these niggly injuries they seem to be constantly carrying.

Loughran will be another good option when Moy conclude their club year.

For the league opener against Galway I think I'd like to see something along the following lines:

1. Morgan
2. McKernan
3. McCarron
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. K McGeary
8. McNulty
9. McClure
10. M Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. F Burns
13. L Brennan
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey

No Peter Harte or Aiden Mc Crory !!

Will they be away skiing ?

Harte has been very flexible with players plans.

Conor Meyler missed the 2015 game with Meath as he had a trip away organised before being called into the senior side.
McCarron missed the 2015 game with Sligo due to his brother's wedding.
McCann and McNamee have missed starts of McKenna Cup games due to trips to Australia.
Etc
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on January 08, 2018, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
There are some interesting prospects there.

I'd like to see some change in the full back line, I think we need more natural man markers there so chance for the likes of McKernan, HP McGeary, Cassidy and Burns to make a claim.

Ronan McHugh seems to have done reasonably well scoring rise in his run outs so far, looks like he might still have a bit of filling out to do but he's the only natural inside man we have around the 6ft mark.

I hope we will be more inclined to give a few of the lads who were on the periphery last year more of a run out this year. The likes of Cassidy, HP McGeary, Lee Brennan, McHugh need to get some game time in the league to adequately assess them. It would also be good to see if Rory Brennan, Richie Donnelly, McNabb and Meyler can shake off these niggly injuries they seem to be constantly carrying.

Loughran will be another good option when Moy conclude their club year.

For the league opener against Galway I think I'd like to see something along the following lines:

1. Morgan
2. McKernan
3. McCarron
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. K McGeary
8. McNulty
9. McClure
10. M Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. F Burns
13. L Brennan
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey

Be a decent tyrone team when peter harte isnt in your first 15.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 10:09:04 AM
Quote from: chieftain on January 08, 2018, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
There are some interesting prospects there.

I'd like to see some change in the full back line, I think we need more natural man markers there so chance for the likes of McKernan, HP McGeary, Cassidy and Burns to make a claim.

Ronan McHugh seems to have done reasonably well scoring rise in his run outs so far, looks like he might still have a bit of filling out to do but he's the only natural inside man we have around the 6ft mark.

I hope we will be more inclined to give a few of the lads who were on the periphery last year more of a run out this year. The likes of Cassidy, HP McGeary, Lee Brennan, McHugh need to get some game time in the league to adequately assess them. It would also be good to see if Rory Brennan, Richie Donnelly, McNabb and Meyler can shake off these niggly injuries they seem to be constantly carrying.

Loughran will be another good option when Moy conclude their club year.

For the league opener against Galway I think I'd like to see something along the following lines:

1. Morgan
2. McKernan
3. McCarron
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. K McGeary
8. McNulty
9. McClure
10. M Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. F Burns
13. L Brennan
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey

Be a decent tyrone team when peter harte isnt in your first 15.

It's obviously in the way of experimentation. I don't think we did enough last season in the league and as such there are a number of players on our panel we don't know enough about. The established players like Harte, Donnelly, McCann, Sludden should all be given a rest at some part of the league this season. You don't see Kerry, Mayo or Dublin starting all their best players throughout the league. I think Colm Cavanagh's absence could be a blessing in disguise as he is such an important player we have to learn how to cope without him, what if he picks an injury or suspension before a big game, gets a black card during a big game, what do we do then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 08, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:32:21 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 08, 2018, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
There are some interesting prospects there.

I'd like to see some change in the full back line, I think we need more natural man markers there so chance for the likes of McKernan, HP McGeary, Cassidy and Burns to make a claim.

Ronan McHugh seems to have done reasonably well scoring rise in his run outs so far, looks like he might still have a bit of filling out to do but he's the only natural inside man we have around the 6ft mark.

I hope we will be more inclined to give a few of the lads who were on the periphery last year more of a run out this year. The likes of Cassidy, HP McGeary, Lee Brennan, McHugh need to get some game time in the league to adequately assess them. It would also be good to see if Rory Brennan, Richie Donnelly, McNabb and Meyler can shake off these niggly injuries they seem to be constantly carrying.

Loughran will be another good option when Moy conclude their club year.

For the league opener against Galway I think I'd like to see something along the following lines:

1. Morgan
2. McKernan
3. McCarron
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. K McGeary
8. McNulty
9. McClure
10. M Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. F Burns
13. L Brennan
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey

No Peter Harte or Aiden Mc Crory !!

Will they be away skiing ?

Harte has been very flexible with players plans.

Conor Meyler missed the 2015 game with Meath as he had a trip away organised before being called into the senior side.
McCarron missed the 2015 game with Sligo due to his brother's wedding.
McCann and McNamee have missed starts of McKenna Cup games due to trips to Australia.
Etc
That's really nice of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2018, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 07, 2018, 10:20:52 PM
any reports from todays game? who played well?

Decent enough game in respect it went to the wire - St Mary's could have actually nicked a goal in last few minutes which would have put them a point up (if I remember correctly), not great conditions for anyone to be judged really.

St Mary's midfielder Oisin O'Neill probably best player on the pitch I thought, a very good footballer.

From Tyrone point of view Michael Cassidy was a willing outlet for goal kicks and breaking from defence, he's certainly got the build to make it at intercounty level. Interesting to see the two men staying up top the whole game, not a fan of this tactic unless you'll kick the ball into them when its 2 on 2 but none the less was nice to see. Still think Tyrone are ponderous on the break, get to the scoring zone and slows right down - side to side handpasses etc.

As stated earlier, great to see the game in Coalisland and they ran it well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 08, 2018, 12:34:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:32:21 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 08, 2018, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
There are some interesting prospects there.

I'd like to see some change in the full back line, I think we need more natural man markers there so chance for the likes of McKernan, HP McGeary, Cassidy and Burns to make a claim.

Ronan McHugh seems to have done reasonably well scoring rise in his run outs so far, looks like he might still have a bit of filling out to do but he's the only natural inside man we have around the 6ft mark.

I hope we will be more inclined to give a few of the lads who were on the periphery last year more of a run out this year. The likes of Cassidy, HP McGeary, Lee Brennan, McHugh need to get some game time in the league to adequately assess them. It would also be good to see if Rory Brennan, Richie Donnelly, McNabb and Meyler can shake off these niggly injuries they seem to be constantly carrying.

Loughran will be another good option when Moy conclude their club year.

For the league opener against Galway I think I'd like to see something along the following lines:

1. Morgan
2. McKernan
3. McCarron
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. K McGeary
8. McNulty
9. McClure
10. M Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. F Burns
13. L Brennan
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey

No Peter Harte or Aiden Mc Crory !!

Will they be away skiing ?

Harte has been very flexible with players plans.

Conor Meyler missed the 2015 game with Meath as he had a trip away organised before being called into the senior side.
McCarron missed the 2015 game with Sligo due to his brother's wedding.
McCann and McNamee have missed starts of McKenna Cup games due to trips to Australia.
Etc

Sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on January 10, 2018, 09:32:29 PM
And to think there were some learned gentlemen looking mcgleenan to replace Harte........

McGleenan in my opinion is in the same bracket as Barton, a chancer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 10, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
Ah spud go easy Matty is feeling very fragile tonight he has players who Dregish might not feel good enough for their team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 11, 2018, 09:02:22 AM
Out of curiosity, whats peoples opinions on the 3 Pomeroy lads starting and playing last night, about 7 hours after the burial of their friend and team mate?? Is it poor judgement on M.H expecting them to play or is it courageous on their behalf, just like O'D from Omagh??

Not judging, just a question??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 11, 2018, 09:12:32 AM
Quote from: Club boi on January 11, 2018, 09:02:22 AM
Out of curiosity, whats peoples opinions on the 3 Pomeroy lads starting and playing last night, about 7 hours after the burial of their friend and team mate?? Is it poor judgement on M.H expecting them to play or is it courageous on their behalf, just like O'D from Omagh??

Not judging, just a question??

How would anyone on here be in a position to comment on that? Of all people I'm sure Mickey Harte would have taken the circumstances into account and discussed with each player what was right for them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 11, 2018, 11:41:15 AM
I don't think it is appropriate to speculate on how individuals deal with grief...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 11, 2018, 12:04:13 PM
Awfully inappropriate trying to use it as a stick to beat Harte with, the caveat does not absolve the stupidity of your comment
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 11, 2018, 12:26:37 PM
Agree with all comments mentioned. I'm sure MH discussed selection with the lads.  Wouldn't pass judgment on him for doing so. Everyone deals with grief in different ways. Credit to the lads that were able to play last night shows a mental toughness. Represented their club very well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 11, 2018, 01:35:17 PM
Anybody at the game or able to comment on who played well? Good to see Ronan O'Neill doing a bit of scoring, is he in good shape for the time of year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 11, 2018, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 11, 2018, 12:26:37 PM
Agree with all comments mentioned. I'm sure MH discussed selection with the lads.  Wouldn't pass judgment on him for doing so. Everyone deals with grief in different ways. Credit to the lads that were able to play last night shows a mental toughness. Represented their club very well.
Well put
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 11, 2018, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on January 11, 2018, 12:26:37 PM
Agree with all comments mentioned. I'm sure MH discussed selection with the lads.  Wouldn't pass judgment on him for doing so. Everyone deals with grief in different ways. Credit to the lads that were able to play last night shows a mental toughness. Represented their club very well.

Agree with all of this - shouldn't speculate on this as everyone is different - these lads probably considered that playing a game for the county may have been a better way to celebrate a friend and team mate than to go drinking in Pomeroy or sit in a dark room. I'm sure Harte talked with them before hand on how they felt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 12, 2018, 01:26:22 PM
Wasnt a dig at anyone, apologies if it offended anyone. It was just a topic of conversation I was involved in earlier that day and thought I would ask the good people of this board for their opinions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 12, 2018, 03:10:40 PM
Just wondering what's people's views on Morgan now that he's a bit older and wiser.
I have never saw him play for the club but have been told he's a top out field player

To me he's a great shot stopper and seems to deal with the high ball reasonably well for not such a big guy.

I'm just wondering about him continuing to hit the far out frees. Do people feel he's got better at this or much the same. I'm not having a go at him and dont want lads to get all defensive and say stop talking about him just let him get on with it but in my eyes he continually misses more than he scores. I know he doesn't always get the easy ones to boost his confidence but I just wonder EVERY year would we not be better to take it short and try to work a score rather than just kicking away possession each time.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 12, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 12, 2018, 03:10:40 PM
Just wondering what's people's views on Morgan now that he's a bit older and wiser.
I have never saw him play for the club but have been told he's a top out field player

To me he's a great shot stopper and seems to deal with the high ball reasonably well for not such a big guy.

I'm just wondering about him continuing to hit the far out frees. Do people feel he's got better at this or much the same. I'm not having a go at him and dont want lads to get all defensive and say stop talking about him just let him get on with it but in my eyes he continually misses more than he scores. I know he doesn't always get the easy ones to boost his confidence but I just wonder EVERY year would we not be better to take it short and try to work a score rather than just kicking away possession each time.

I think he's as good a keeper as in the country. I think he's been removed as our main free taker, he might take the odd one from distance but Peter Harte seems to be hitting 45s these days and possibly McAliskey might have a go when he's back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 12, 2018, 03:57:33 PM
Lets count how many different players hit frees in every league game this year.

I'm expecting
1 Morgan
2 Harte
3 Skeet
4 Lee Brennan
5 McCurry

Doesn't McGeary hit the odd one too? Anyone else?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on January 12, 2018, 04:08:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 12, 2018, 03:57:33 PM
Lets count how many different players hit frees in every league game this year.

I'm expecting
1 Morgan
2 Harte
3 Skeet
4 Lee Brennan
5 McCurry

Doesn't McGeary hit the odd one too? Anyone else?

McGeary hits the left sided frees for us and did for St.Marys last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 13, 2018, 08:25:12 AM
1. Mickey O'Neill Cluain Eo

2. Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin

3. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór

4. Michael Cassidy Ard Bó

5. Ciaran McLaughlin An Ómaigh

6. Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac

7. Kieran McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

8. Ben McDonnell Aireagal Chiaráin

9. Declan McClure Cluain Eo

10. Richard Donnelly Trí Leac

11. Niall Sludden An Droim Mhór

12. Conal McCann Coill an Chlochair

13. Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc

14. Ronan McHugh Achadh Uí Aráin

15. Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo

16. Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc

17. Lee Brennan Trí Leac

18. Brendan Burns Cabhán a'Chaortainn

19. Frank Burns Cabhán a'Chaortainn

20. Pádraig Hampsey Oileán a'Ghuail

21.Conor Meyler An Ómaigh

22. Hugh Pat McGeary. Cabhán a'Chaortainn

23. Michael McKernan Oileán a'Ghuail

24. Ronan McNabb .An Droim Mhór

25. Padraig McNulty Dún Geanainn

26. Ronan O'Neill An Ómaigh

I'm quite interested in the prospect of McHugh this year, he seems to have been scoring well in whatever minutes he has gotten in the McKenna Cup so far. Compared to our other inside forwards he also has a bit more height, looks like he's around the 6ft mark so he gives us something different. He didn't really get much of a look in last year so hopefully that changes now.

Meyler also returns from action with St Marys.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 13, 2018, 10:42:19 AM
Fermanagh very confident big crowd expected,Ricey factor,be good day out for the fans.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 13, 2018, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 13, 2018, 10:42:19 AM
Fermanagh very confident big crowd expected,Ricey factor,be good day out for the fans.

Seems to be a real vibe in Fermanagh this year. And unlike the Ulster Championship, they have won the McKenna Cu four-times previously.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on January 13, 2018, 03:23:28 PM
Rory looking to put a marker down tommorrow, almost 4 months training done at this stage, playing very strong team throughout and expect 13/14 starters tommorrow. be a difficult game but if Fermanagh can't beat this Tyrone team with that preparation at home, then there is little hope for them comes summer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on January 13, 2018, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on January 13, 2018, 03:23:28 PM
Rory looking to put a marker down tommorrow, almost 4 months training done at this stage, playing very strong team throughout and expect 13/14 starters tommorrow. be a difficult game but if Fermanagh can't beat this Tyrone team with that preparation at home, then there is little hope for them comes summer

Jeez, by the sounds of things lads I should be getting down to the bookies to throw a few pounds on this new super power Fermanagh. Doesn't sound like you boys are giving tyrone much of a chance in this game the way you are building up the erne men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 13, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
i, for the life of me cannot remember fermanagh beating us in a competitive game. not sure why anyone would think it will happen tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 13, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
i, for the life of me cannot remember fermanagh beating us in a competitive game. not sure why anyone would think it will happen tomorrow.

Remember Brian McGuigan being shoved into the fence/sidelines and having to come off injured. Barry Owens had a tremendous game.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4706538.stm

Fermanagh handed Tyrone their second defeat in seven days by deservedly winning 0-9 to 0-8 at Enniskillen.
Sean Cavanagh and Stephen O'Neill hit early points for Tyrone but the Red Hands then suffered a blow when Brian McGuigan was forced off by injury.

Fermanagh levelled at 0-4 apiece but Tyrone led 0-6 to 0-4 at the break.

Points from Brewster, Shane McDermott, Shane Goan and Ciaran O'Reilly put Fermanagh two ahead and they held on to maintain their 100 per cent record.

Fermanagh seemed to have more appetite for the game and their attitude was typified by the performances of defenders Barry Owens and Shane McDermott while O'Reilly, James Sherry and Ryan Keenan had fine games in attack.

Cavanagh and O'Neill scored the opening two points of the game but two O'Reilly scores and a Sherry effort put Fermanagh ahead.

Two O'Neill points restored Tyrone's lead before Sherry levelled the game again with Fermanagh's four point.

Tyrone finished the half the stronger thanks to a Cavanagh free and a Martin Penrose point which was nearly a goal with Fermanagh goalkeeper Chris O'Brien superbly deflecting the shot over the bar.

Amazingly, Tyrone were held scoreless for the opening 27 minutes of the second half as Fermanagh dominated possession.

They took the lead in the 50th minute when Shane Goan swung over a great point and Ciaran O'Reilly then added to the Erne lead.

O'Neill cut Fermanagh's lead to the minimum but Mark Little's point then restored Fermanagh's two-point advantage.

Tyrone's Peter Donnelly scored the final point of the match but Fermanagh were not to be denied.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 14, 2018, 12:42:50 AM
go easy on the drugs there st. galls.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on January 14, 2018, 09:39:09 AM
Well a lot of Tyrone team today are hardly regulars and some are newbies not even sure of making panel I presume. Tyrone by 2!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on January 14, 2018, 09:39:09 AM
Well a lot of Tyrone team today are hardly regulars and some are newbies not even sure of making panel I presume. Tyrone by 2!!!

It's still a fairly strong side but it's still early doors and Fermanagh would look to be a fair bit ahead of us in preparation.

I'd also imagine we won't be dropping any players off the panel after the McKenna Cup. We've lost Cavanagh, the two McMahons and Cahir McCullagh from last year's side, Munroe also left the panel at the end of the league last year so that's 5 players less than last year's squad and we only have the four new faces in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 14, 2018, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 13, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
i, for the life of me cannot remember fermanagh beating us in a competitive game. not sure why anyone would think it will happen tomorrow.

What are you on about? You are from Fermanagh !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 14, 2018, 08:21:20 PM
By all accounts Tyrone still playing that defensive sh*te doesnt bode well for the real money in the months ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 14, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
maybe stevie o neill wasnt there today?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 14, 2018, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 14, 2018, 08:21:20 PM
By all accounts Tyrone still playing that defensive sh*te doesnt bode well for the real money in the months ahead.

+ 44 so far in 4 games. Conditions brutal for football today. Maybe u should go to a game and judge for yourself rather than rely on second hand info. That's if your even from Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on January 14, 2018, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on January 14, 2018, 09:39:09 AM
Well a lot of Tyrone team today are hardly regulars and some are newbies not even sure of making panel I presume. Tyrone by 2!!!

Pretty good prediction. Tbh I'd have fancied tyrone to win by 8-10 points but maybe fermanagh had a more established team on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 14, 2018, 08:56:29 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 14, 2018, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 14, 2018, 08:21:20 PM
By all accounts Tyrone still playing that defensive sh*te doesnt bode well for the real money in the months ahead.

+ 44 so far in 4 games. Conditions brutal for football today. Maybe u should go to a game and judge for yourself rather than rely on second hand info. That's if your even from Tyrone.

still recovering from the Dublin game...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 14, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 14, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
maybe stevie o neill wasnt there today?

Clearly you weren't !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 10:12:59 PM
Who are the likeliest candidates to nail down a place this season. At the close of last year we had a pretty settled side.

Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
T McCann
Hampsey
Harte
C Cavanagh
C McCann
McGeary
Sludden
Mulgrew/McClure
Bradley
S Cavanagh
Donnelly

The ones in bold are nailed on starters for me, the ones in italic I feel Harte will stick by them but I think they should be under serious pressure to maintain their place. The other players are the ones who I think will really have to fight for their spot. I expect McAliskey will start this year and take Sean Cavanagh's spot, I think Cassidy, McKernan and Rory Brennan will push hard for places in the back line while Meyler should be pushing hard for a place too. I think Conall McCann is too passive, I'd much rather see Richie Donnelly or McClure in the middle of the pitch as I think they bring more of a presence there.

Rory Brennan and Meyler are two guys who always seem to be picking up niggly injuries of some sort and I think if they get an injury free run they will both establish themselves as starters. I also feel Cassidy really deserves a run at corner back, he's tough, pacey and brings the ball out of defence at speed. I hope he gets a run during the league, he will bring more to the table than McCrory.

McCarron has looked like his legs are going and I think McNamee has really failed to play to his 2015 levels in the past couple of seasons.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 14, 2018, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 14, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 14, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
maybe stevie o neill wasnt there today?

Clearly you weren't !!!
your right there!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 14, 2018, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 14, 2018, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 14, 2018, 08:21:20 PM
By all accounts Tyrone still playing that defensive sh*te doesnt bode well for the real money in the months ahead.

+ 44 so far in 4 games. Conditions brutal for football today. Maybe u should go to a game and judge for yourself rather than rely on second hand info. That's if your even from Tyrone.
+35 after 4 games in last years mc kenna cup. means nothing when the big games come.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 15, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
Rony Mc Namee was dropped by UUJ to subs bench due to him playing 90 mins in another code Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 15, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 14, 2018, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 14, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 14, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
maybe stevie o neill wasnt there today?

Clearly you weren't !!!
your right there!

It's you're.
Did you listen at all in school or did you just mouth there too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bendyerback on January 15, 2018, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 10:12:59 PM
Who are the likeliest candidates to nail down a place this season. At the close of last year we had a pretty settled side.

Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
T McCann
Hampsey
Harte
C Cavanagh
C McCann
McGeary
Sludden
Mulgrew/McClure
Bradley
S Cavanagh
Donnelly

The ones in bold are nailed on starters for me, the ones in italic I feel Harte will stick by them but I think they should be under serious pressure to maintain their place. The other players are the ones who I think will really have to fight for their spot. I expect McAliskey will start this year and take Sean Cavanagh's spot, I think Cassidy, McKernan and Rory Brennan will push hard for places in the back line while Meyler should be pushing hard for a place too. I think Conall McCann is too passive, I'd much rather see Richie Donnelly or McClure in the middle of the pitch as I think they bring more of a presence there.

Rory Brennan and Meyler are two guys who always seem to be picking up niggly injuries of some sort and I think if they get an injury free run they will both establish themselves as starters. I also feel Cassidy really deserves a run at corner back, he's tough, pacey and brings the ball out of defence at speed. I hope he gets a run during the league, he will bring more to the table than McCrory.

McCarron has looked like his legs are going and I think McNamee has really failed to play to his 2015 levels in the past couple of seasons.

I would start Mickey O'Neill ahead of Morgan. In my opinion Mickey O'Neill is a better keeper and his kick outs are excellent. He made a mistake in Clones coming of the line early and he has been punished ever since that.
I would also rate McClure above McCann in the middle of the field. He can field a ball and has excellent potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 15, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
Don't think M ONeill has impressed so far with kickouts 2018.  I'd have McNamee all day at full back , but agree about CmcCann.  Would be playing McNulty and McClure both aswell
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 15, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
Would you be from Clonoe by any chance bendyerback?
All this talk about how SO'N has transformed Tyrones attack and they score 0-08 against FERMANAGH!?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 15, 2018, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 10:12:59 PM
Who are the likeliest candidates to nail down a place this season. At the close of last year we had a pretty settled side.

Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
T McCann
Hampsey
Harte
C Cavanagh
C McCann
McGeary
Sludden
Mulgrew/McClure
Bradley
S Cavanagh
Donnelly

The ones in bold are nailed on starters for me, the ones in italic I feel Harte will stick by them but I think they should be under serious pressure to maintain their place. The other players are the ones who I think will really have to fight for their spot. I expect McAliskey will start this year and take Sean Cavanagh's spot, I think Cassidy, McKernan and Rory Brennan will push hard for places in the back line while Meyler should be pushing hard for a place too. I think Conall McCann is too passive, I'd much rather see Richie Donnelly or McClure in the middle of the pitch as I think they bring more of a presence there.

Rory Brennan and Meyler are two guys who always seem to be picking up niggly injuries of some sort and I think if they get an injury free run they will both establish themselves as starters. I also feel Cassidy really deserves a run at corner back, he's tough, pacey and brings the ball out of defence at speed. I hope he gets a run during the league, he will bring more to the table than McCrory.

McCarron has looked like his legs are going and I think McNamee has really failed to play to his 2015 levels in the past couple of seasons.

Not a bad summary - however McKernan hasn't a chance this year - he still as to do his years penance on the bench/squad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 15, 2018, 02:37:33 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 15, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
Would you be from Clonoe by any chance bendyerback?
All this talk about how SO'N has transformed Tyrones attack and they score 0-08 against FERMANAGH!?

Are you for real? The conditions were horrible; wet and windy. They faced a wall of 14 green jerseys the whole game and found it impossible to move the ball at pace through the hands due to said conditions. If you are seriously judging O'Neill's input after that, then you need to wise up. the jury is still out, obviously, but give it a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 15, 2018, 02:39:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 15, 2018, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 14, 2018, 10:12:59 PM
Who are the likeliest candidates to nail down a place this season. At the close of last year we had a pretty settled side.

Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
T McCann
Hampsey
Harte
C Cavanagh
C McCann
McGeary
Sludden
Mulgrew/McClure
Bradley
S Cavanagh
Donnelly

The ones in bold are nailed on starters for me, the ones in italic I feel Harte will stick by them but I think they should be under serious pressure to maintain their place. The other players are the ones who I think will really have to fight for their spot. I expect McAliskey will start this year and take Sean Cavanagh's spot, I think Cassidy, McKernan and Rory Brennan will push hard for places in the back line while Meyler should be pushing hard for a place too. I think Conall McCann is too passive, I'd much rather see Richie Donnelly or McClure in the middle of the pitch as I think they bring more of a presence there.

Rory Brennan and Meyler are two guys who always seem to be picking up niggly injuries of some sort and I think if they get an injury free run they will both establish themselves as starters. I also feel Cassidy really deserves a run at corner back, he's tough, pacey and brings the ball out of defence at speed. I hope he gets a run during the league, he will bring more to the table than McCrory.

McCarron has looked like his legs are going and I think McNamee has really failed to play to his 2015 levels in the past couple of seasons.

Not a bad summary - however McKernan hasn't a chance this year - he still as to do his years penance on the bench/squad

This is generally true however there is the occasional player that bucks the trend. I'm thinking of Conor Meyler (came in half way through 2015 and started 3 or 4 championship games), Niall Sludden and even McClure last year.

There is definitely be a corner back spot up for grabs this year - personally i think McNamee and McCarron will still start at 3 and 4 whilst McCrory, Hugh Pat, Cassidy, McKernan, McLaughlin, Brendan Burns and Rory Brennan will all be competing for the other corner. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 15, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
Has Rory Brennan not generally played wing half back for Tyrone? I wouldn't have him in corner back.

Early days yet lads, like hard to get up for a game like that yesterday it was grim as f**k in that swamp! Also Fermanagh and their supporters were going on like it was their ulster final!

I would have Morgan everyday over o'neill. There is no way O'Neills kickouts are better, maybe a better shot stopper but kickouts are crucial and Morgan is very safe on the ball.

McNamee will be playing full back but the 2 corners I think are all to play for. I gather he will have another look at Cassidy and Kiernan v top tier opposition. It will be a tough squad to cut down.

Can't wait for another year of Southfermanagh Slabber on this thing!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 15, 2018, 02:56:05 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on January 15, 2018, 02:37:33 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 15, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
Would you be from Clonoe by any chance bendyerback?
All this talk about how SO'N has transformed Tyrones attack and they score 0-08 against FERMANAGH!?

Are you for real? The conditions were horrible; wet and windy. They faced a wall of 14 green jerseys the whole game and found it impossible to move the ball at pace through the hands due to said conditions. If you are seriously judging O'Neill's input after that, then you need to wise up. the jury is still out, obviously, but give it a chance.

McKenna Cup is a farce. People were building him up for racking up big scores against Antrim and St Mary's!! Same applies!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 15, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
How was Ricey? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 15, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
If the McKenna cup is a 'farce' why are you judging? Against Antrim and Cavan, Tyrone met no resistance worth talking about.

Ricey was Ricey. Smiling one minute, growling the next. He was very involved on the line, I wish him well with Fermanagh and hopefully his experiences gained will stand to him when he gets involved with Tyrone some time down the line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 15, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 15, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
Has Rory Brennan not generally played wing half back for Tyrone? I wouldn't have him in corner back.

Early days yet lads, like hard to get up for a game like that yesterday it was grim as f**k in that swamp! Also Fermanagh and their supporters were going on like it was their ulster final!

I would have Morgan everyday over o'neill. There is no way O'Neills kickouts are better, maybe a better shot stopper but kickouts are crucial and Morgan is very safe on the ball.

McNamee will be playing full back but the 2 corners I think are all to play for. I gather he will have another look at Cassidy and Kiernan v top tier opposition. It will be a tough squad to cut down.

Can't wait for another year of Southfermanagh Slabber on this thing!

Rory Brennan generally has played wing half back for Tyrone but is this much different from playing corner back in the modern game? Not many teams bar Dublin leave 3 men inside so generally one of your corner backs will be out the pitch. For us this player is usually McCrory so I think it playing Brennan instead of him makes sense since Brennan offers alot more on the ball. Brennan is also well capable of a man marking job as he has shown on Ryan McHugh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 15, 2018, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 15, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 15, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
Has Rory Brennan not generally played wing half back for Tyrone? I wouldn't have him in corner back.

Early days yet lads, like hard to get up for a game like that yesterday it was grim as f**k in that swamp! Also Fermanagh and their supporters were going on like it was their ulster final!

I would have Morgan everyday over o'neill. There is no way O'Neills kickouts are better, maybe a better shot stopper but kickouts are crucial and Morgan is very safe on the ball.

McNamee will be playing full back but the 2 corners I think are all to play for. I gather he will have another look at Cassidy and Kiernan v top tier opposition. It will be a tough squad to cut down.

Can't wait for another year of Southfermanagh Slabber on this thing!

Rory Brennan generally has played wing half back for Tyrone but is this much different from playing corner back in the modern game? Not many teams bar Dublin leave 3 men inside so generally one of your corner backs will be out the pitch. For us this player is usually McCrory so I think it playing Brennan instead of him makes sense since Brennan offers alot more on the ball. Brennan is also well capable of a man marking job as he has shown on Ryan McHugh.

Aye fair enough, you're spot on. Injury permitting he has proved himself when it matters
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 15, 2018, 08:38:13 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 15, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 15, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
Has Rory Brennan not generally played wing half back for Tyrone? I wouldn't have him in corner back.

Early days yet lads, like hard to get up for a game like that yesterday it was grim as f**k in that swamp! Also Fermanagh and their supporters were going on like it was their ulster final!

I would have Morgan everyday over o'neill. There is no way O'Neills kickouts are better, maybe a better shot stopper but kickouts are crucial and Morgan is very safe on the ball.

McNamee will be playing full back but the 2 corners I think are all to play for. I gather he will have another look at Cassidy and Kiernan v top tier opposition. It will be a tough squad to cut down.

Can't wait for another year of Southfermanagh Slabber on this thing!

Rory Brennan generally has played wing half back for Tyrone but is this much different from playing corner back in the modern game? Not many teams bar Dublin leave 3 men inside so generally one of your corner backs will be out the pitch. For us this player is usually McCrory so I think it playing Brennan instead of him makes sense since Brennan offers alot more on the ball. Brennan is also well capable of a man marking job as he has shown on Ryan McHugh.

Brennan much better all rounder

O'Neill was my preference a few years back but Morgan has improved massively while O'Neill has stayed the same, still probably the better shot stopper but The way the game has gone now, the Kickouts are a massive tactic and Morgan is far superior in this role and I now believe Morgan is better under the high ball
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 15, 2018, 09:26:10 PM
interesting match report in irish news today for donegal/monaghan game yesterday. both teams set up very attack minded. even monaghan played with a 3 man full forward line for most of the game. bonner came out and said after that he had no intention of going back to 13 or 14 men behind the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 15, 2018, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 15, 2018, 09:26:10 PM
interesting match report in irish news today for donegal/monaghan game yesterday. both teams set up very attack minded. even monaghan played with a 3 man full forward line for most of the game. bonner came out and said after that he had no intention of going back to 13 or 14 men behind the ball.

Go an start supporting them the ye tool until your native fermanagh start playing all out attack
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 15, 2018, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 15, 2018, 09:26:10 PM
interesting match report in irish news today for donegal/monaghan game yesterday. both teams set up very attack minded. even monaghan played with a 3 man full forward line for most of the game. bonner came out and said after that he had no intention of going back to 13 or 14 men behind the ball.

You seriously must be the only person in Tyrone who would give one ounce of a shite about what Declan Bonner says.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 15, 2018, 10:23:08 PM
ha wouldnt you know, benny and redhand all defensive jumping down my throat. you boys are as predictable as mickey hartes tactics.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bendyerback on January 16, 2018, 12:09:46 AM
Quote from: driveherin on January 15, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
Would you be from Clonoe by any chance bendyerback?
All this talk about how SO'N has transformed Tyrones attack and they score 0-08 against FERMANAGH!?

It's not really a matter of where I'm from, I just think that McClure is possibly our best option and could accompany Colm Cavanagh very well in the middle of the park.
What I've seen on McKernan to date has been impressive. He has some engine in him and I would start him over McCrory and McCarron. He's not afraid to go forward and returns back to his position quickly.
It's early days yet lads, we'll know better after the first league game. We need to wait and see what type of game Tyrone are going to play. I'm hoping that it's not that defensive carry on that we've become renowned for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 16, 2018, 08:03:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 15, 2018, 10:23:08 PM
ha wouldnt you know, benny and redhand all defensive jumping down my throat. you boys are as predictable as mickey hartes tactics.

People on trying to talk about actual football and you're on spouting absolute dung! Quoting decky bonner? Decky Bonner is a poor manager. Everyone knows your position and they are sick of hearing ye.

Back to football, how many does harte roughly have to cut out of the panel? will he leave the moys boys out until that's over or do they count. There isn't rwally anyone who stands out as not making the cut atm
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 16, 2018, 08:54:18 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 16, 2018, 08:03:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 15, 2018, 10:23:08 PM
ha wouldnt you know, benny and redhand all defensive jumping down my throat. you boys are as predictable as mickey hartes tactics.

People on trying to talk about actual football and you're on spouting absolute dung! Quoting decky bonner? Decky Bonner is a poor manager. Everyone knows your position and they are sick of hearing ye.

Back to football, how many does harte roughly have to cut out of the panel? will he leave the moys boys out until that's over or do they count. There isn't rwally anyone who stands out as not making the cut atm

None I'd say. We have 5 out since last year - Cavanagh, McMahon x2,  Munroe and McCullagh and 4 in - Burns, McKernan, McDonnell, McLaughlin.

Munroe and Joe Mc both left the panel after the league last year so I don't think there is a need to cut anyone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 16, 2018, 09:01:37 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 16, 2018, 08:54:18 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 16, 2018, 08:03:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 15, 2018, 10:23:08 PM
ha wouldnt you know, benny and redhand all defensive jumping down my throat. you boys are as predictable as mickey hartes tactics.

People on trying to talk about actual football and you're on spouting absolute dung! Quoting decky bonner? Decky Bonner is a poor manager. Everyone knows your position and they are sick of hearing ye.

Back to football, how many does harte roughly have to cut out of the panel? will he leave the moys boys out until that's over or do they count. There isn't rwally anyone who stands out as not making the cut atm

None I'd say. We have 5 out since last year - Cavanagh, McMahon x2,  Munroe and McCullagh and 4 in - Burns, McKernan, McDonnell, McLaughlin.

Munroe and Joe Mc both left the panel after the league last year so I don't think there is a need to cut anyone.

Would love to see Munroe back but can't see it unfotunately
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 16, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
Are many of yis going down to Galway for the first league game?

A few of us TADpoles are traveling from Dublin on the Sat evening for the pre-match analysis and a look forward to the year ahead if yis want to meet up.

When is the McKenna cup final?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 16, 2018, 12:59:33 PM
be 18th feb by look of it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 20, 2018, 06:08:09 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 16, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
Are many of yis going down to Galway for the first league game?I do believe there is a bus leaving the TNF in a Omagh for it. Cookoo cookoo.

A few of us TADpoles are traveling from Dublin on the Sat evening for the pre-match analysis and a look forward to the year ahead if yis want to meet up.

When is the McKenna cup final?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ladies only on January 21, 2018, 12:03:15 AM
I see Tyrone Ladies have stuck with Mc Aleer and Rushe. Good bit of dealing and unlike Roisin there was a bit of loyalty. Any word on the money and were the new sponsors in the picture. Like to know if they offered to do the full package
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 21, 2018, 07:08:40 AM
Quote from: ladies only on January 21, 2018, 12:03:15 AM
I see Tyrone Ladies have stuck with Mc Aleer and Rushe. Good bit of dealing and unlike Roisin there was a bit of loyalty. Any word on the money and were the new sponsors in the picture. Like to know if they offered to do the full package
I think it worth setting up a ladies thread luv, seems only right
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 21, 2018, 09:20:22 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 07:08:40 AM
Quote from: ladies only on January 21, 2018, 12:03:15 AM
I see Tyrone Ladies have stuck with Mc Aleer and Rushe. Good bit of dealing and unlike Roisin there was a bit of loyalty. Any word on the money and were the new sponsors in the picture. Like to know if they offered to do the full package
I think it worth setting up a ladies thread luv, seems only right
what a clown you are
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 21, 2018, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 07:08:40 AM
Quote from: ladies only on January 21, 2018, 12:03:15 AM
I see Tyrone Ladies have stuck with Mc Aleer and Rushe. Good bit of dealing and unlike Roisin there was a bit of loyalty. Any word on the money and were the new sponsors in the picture. Like to know if they offered to do the full package
I think it worth setting up a ladies thread luv, seems only right

Can guess how you treat your mother and the women in your life...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
No difference in calling a woman luv, or a man mate. Why wouldn't the ladies have their own thread. It's 2018 not 1980.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
No difference in calling a woman luv, or a man mate. Why wouldn't the ladies have their own thread. It's 2018 not 1980.

you sound like a right smartarse... luv, mate....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
No difference in calling a woman luv, or a man mate. Why wouldn't the ladies have their own thread. It's 2018 not 1980.

you sound like a right smartarse... luv, mate....

Cheers. Reminds of David Brent " How can I be sexist towards women when I love my own mother"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
No difference in calling a woman luv, or a man mate. Why wouldn't the ladies have their own thread. It's 2018 not 1980.

you sound like a right smartarse... luv, mate....

Cheers. Reminds of David Brent " How can I be sexist towards women when I love my own mother"

Malachy McCourt, "... Ireland where men look down on their women with reverence."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
No difference in calling a woman luv, or a man mate. Why wouldn't the ladies have their own thread. It's 2018 not 1980.

you sound like a right smartarse... luv, mate....

Cheers. Reminds of David Brent " How can I be sexist towards women when I love my own mother"

Malachy McCourt, "... Ireland where men look down on their women with reverence."

Ron Jeremy "... Suck my dick"...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 21, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
No difference in calling a woman luv, or a man mate. Why wouldn't the ladies have their own thread. It's 2018 not 1980.

you sound like a right smartarse... luv, mate....

Cheers. Reminds of David Brent " How can I be sexist towards women when I love my own mother"

Malachy McCourt, "... Ireland where men look down on their women with reverence."

Ron Jeremy "... Suck my dick"...

well... did you find a man to suck yer dick yet? i'm the wrong man to ask... not my thing, soz
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 21, 2018, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
No difference in calling a woman luv, or a man mate. Why wouldn't the ladies have their own thread. It's 2018 not 1980.

you sound like a right smartarse... luv, mate....

Cheers. Reminds of David Brent " How can I be sexist towards women when I love my own mother"

Malachy McCourt, "... Ireland where men look down on their women with reverence."

Ron Jeremy "... Suck my dick"...

well... did you find a man to suck yer dick yet? i'm the wrong man to ask... not my thing, soz

Should of left your original comment about by sister, instead of deleting it u wet wipe. It was funny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 21, 2018, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
Quote from: longballin on January 21, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 21, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
No difference in calling a woman luv, or a man mate. Why wouldn't the ladies have their own thread. It's 2018 not 1980.

you sound like a right smartarse... luv, mate....

Cheers. Reminds of David Brent " How can I be sexist towards women when I love my own mother"

Malachy McCourt, "... Ireland where men look down on their women with reverence."

Ron Jeremy "... Suck my dick"...

well... did you find a man to suck yer dick yet? i'm the wrong man to ask... not my thing, soz

Should of left your original comment about by sister, instead of deleting it u wet wipe. It was funny.

I'd say you'd be an expert in wet wipes...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 22, 2018, 09:13:49 AM
Escalating....all over the shop
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 22, 2018, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 22, 2018, 09:13:49 AM
Escalating....all over the shop

Longballin's valiant efforts to bring an element of decency to threads do always seem to escalate matters somewhat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 22, 2018, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 22, 2018, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 22, 2018, 09:13:49 AM
Escalating....all over the shop

Longballin's valiant efforts to bring an element of decency to threads do always seem to escalate matters somewhat.

you can but try...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 24, 2018, 10:54:05 PM
Right then!!
Who wants to meet up on the Sat night in Galway city?

What surprises will we see in Mickey's starting team tomorrow night?

Is this the season LB finally gets his chance to shine or has Mulgrew passed him out?
Is Skeet ready to take over at FF from Sean? Will he be our main Free taker?

Get your new t shirts out for sat nights lads!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 25, 2018, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 24, 2018, 10:54:05 PM
Right then!!
Who wants to meet up on the Sat night in Galway city?

What surprises will we see in Mickey's starting team tomorrow night?

Is this the season LB finally gets his chance to shine or has Mulgrew passed him out?
Is Skeet ready to take over at FF from Sean? Will he be our main Free taker?

Get your new t shirts out for sat nights lads!!!


Hhhhhhhmmmmm..

Anyway, any team speculation?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 25, 2018, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2018, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 24, 2018, 10:54:05 PM
Right then!!
Who wants to meet up on the Sat night in Galway city?

What surprises will we see in Mickey's starting team tomorrow night?

Is this the season LB finally gets his chance to shine or has Mulgrew passed him out?
Is Skeet ready to take over at FF from Sean? Will he be our main Free taker?

Get your new t shirts out for sat nights lads!!!


Hhhhhhhmmmmm..

Anyway, any team speculation?

My prediction is....

               Morgan

McCarron    McNamee   Hugh Pat

McCann   Hampsey   Harte

McNulty   McClure

M Donnelly   Sludden   F Burns

Bradley   McAliskey   O'Neill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 25, 2018, 03:38:43 PM
Not bad Packie

I've a feeling he's gonna go for a lot of youth so I'm expecting he will want Morgan for the Dubs so he might go with

                 ONeill

Rory Bren   Hampsey  Cassidy

McCann      Mattie      Harte

           McCann McClure


McGeary      Sludden      Frank Burns

Lee Bren     McAliskey    Bradley


SoN 1st sub

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 25, 2018, 10:57:56 PM
was the tyrone team not named tonight?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 25, 2018, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 25, 2018, 10:57:56 PM
was the tyrone team not named tonight?

Doesn't look like it. Usually on the Thursday night that it's named.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 26, 2018, 09:31:48 AM
Galway W.O.?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 26, 2018, 10:39:32 AM
Tyrone team named: 

N Morgan, M McKernan, R McNamee, HP McGeary; T McCann, P Hampsey, P Harte; M Donnelly, P McNulty; C McCann, N Sludden, K McGeary; D McCurry, C McShane, C McAliskey.

Big chance for McShane after a poor season with the county last year. His game time in the McKenna Cup seemed mainly to be at midfield so I wonder will he spend some time alternating with Mattie
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on January 26, 2018, 10:43:04 AM
Conal McCann, McCurry and McShane all in front of Frank Burns????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 26, 2018, 10:46:22 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 26, 2018, 10:43:04 AM
Conal McCann, McCurry and McShane all in front of Frank Burns????

I would be fairly certain hes still experimenting and giving chances. He is hardly gonna pick his full championship side for the first game of the league
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 26, 2018, 11:17:57 AM
Mickey Harte is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't! He can only name 15 players, if the same lads played every week you'd have the usual whingers on here saying x,y and z aren't being given a chance. He picks a team this week to face Galway, no doubt he has an idea of who he would like to see against Dublin...likely Frank Burns, DD, maybe Mark Bradley.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on January 26, 2018, 11:37:00 AM
I understand but surely Burns needs games and plenty of them. we have all seen enough of McCurry and McShane and they aren't going to cut it at the top level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2018, 11:40:51 AM
Is Burns still at UUJ? I know he wasn't playing with them in the McKenna Cup but Mickey rarely gives over his whole contingent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 26, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 26, 2018, 11:37:00 AM
I understand but surely Burns needs games and plenty of them. we have all seen enough of McCurry and McShane and they aren't going to cut it at the top level.

McShane is a perfect of example of people not giving players a chance. He has been written of by some since he was 21 despite playing a leading role at midfield on an u21 all ireland team. He's strong, mobile and gets on the ball. His decision making isn't always the best but this is something that could improve as he goes on. From memory he didn't get that much game time last year at all and has done well in the McKenna Cup. At 23/24 he is well worth a few more chances to impress.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2018, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 26, 2018, 11:37:00 AM
I understand but surely Burns needs games and plenty of them. we have all seen enough of McCurry and McShane and they aren't going to cut it at the top level.

I think McCurry has shown plenty at this level at various stages to prove he has it. It's very likely that he could end up Tyrone's all time top scorer in Championship.

He's still only 24 but is off the back of a couple of disappointing seasons. I hope he can start putting it back together this year again and I think he has a very good understanding with McAliskey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 26, 2018, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 26, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on January 26, 2018, 11:37:00 AM
I understand but surely Burns needs games and plenty of them. we have all seen enough of McCurry and McShane and they aren't going to cut it at the top level.

McShane is a perfect of example of people not giving players a chance. He has been written of by some since he was 21 despite playing a leading role at midfield on an u21 all ireland team. He's strong, mobile and gets on the ball. His decision making isn't always the best but this is something that could improve as he goes on. From memory he didn't get that much game time last year at all and has done well in the McKenna Cup. At 23/24 he is well worth a few more chances to impress.

Entirely agree. If we were to persevere with McShane at full forward there's no reason why he couldn't develop into, for example, a better version of Eoghan O'Gara. If we were to revert to a more attacking style a player like this is essential for our host of smaller forwards to play off.

Also think McShane has plenty to offer further out the pitch in this era of the more mobile midfielder.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 11:52:29 AM
Full backline has a better look to it. But again personel changes wont matter a jot if the system of play doesn't change.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 26, 2018, 11:58:29 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 11:52:29 AM
Full backline has a better look to it. But again personel changes wont matter a jot if the system of play doesn't change.

Correctamundo - leave Mark Bradley up front on his own against a decent team in the summer and you may forget about it already.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2018, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 11:52:29 AM
Full backline has a better look to it. But again personel changes wont matter a jot if the system of play doesn't change.

Not sure of HP McGeary but the only way we will know is to see how he gets on. High hopes for young McKernan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2018, 12:18:55 PM
Thought Michael Cassidy would get the shout at corner back ahead of McKernan personally
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 12:40:05 PM
With regards to mc curry, or any other forward for that matter, how could you expect any of them to play well this last 2 years with the system we had? Plenty of football in them lads yet if they aren't ruined for good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2018, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 12:40:05 PM
With regards to mc curry, or any other forward for that matter, how could you expect any of them to play well this last 2 years with the system we had? Plenty of football in them lads yet if they aren't ruined for good.

To be fair to McCurry he was flying in this system in the 2015 season. His levels have dipped though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 26, 2018, 01:05:01 PM
Question: I see the ladies county team are keeping on board with McAleer and Rushe as their main jersey sponsor. Is that decision because Tyrone Fabrication only wanted the GAA not LGFA? Or did McAleer and Rushe increase their investment?

Is this not a step backwards in the attempt to unite the codes? I also understood that the ladies last year committed to adopting the Tyrone GAA crest but their social media posts would suggest that's no longer the case as the jersey shown has the old ladies crest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on January 26, 2018, 01:37:19 PM
McCurry is great when you are 6 points up, when the game is tight he is shite!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 26, 2018, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2018, 12:18:55 PM
Thought Michael Cassidy would get the shout at corner back ahead of McKernan personally
I think mc Laughlin is better than both
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on January 26, 2018, 02:37:13 PM
Cant see conal mccann and mcnulty starting, be one or the other with frank burns/ mulgrew (if fit) to come into the half forwards, also expect to see mark bradley in there somewhere from the start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2018, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 12:40:05 PM
With regards to mc curry, or any other forward for that matter, how could you expect any of them to play well this last 2 years with the system we had? Plenty of football in them lads yet if they aren't ruined for good.

To be fair to McCurry he was flying in this system in the 2015 season. His levels have dipped though.
The system was nowhere near as defensive in 2015. Don't forget our full forward line scored 12 points between them against Monaghan in quarter final, mc curry with 6 I think.we didn't even have a full forward line in 2016 or 17.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 02:44:52 PM
The system was nowhere near as defensive in 2015. Our full forward line scored 12 points between them In quarter final against Monaghan that year(mc curry with 6 I think). We didn't even have a full forward line in 2016 or 17.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2018, 02:54:19 PM
I would certainly agree that in 2015 we had much more of the right balance. McCurry and McAliskey were staying much closer to goal with Cavanagh going in for spells. We need to return to that kind of balance as it was definitely the best football we played in the last 3 years.

In comparison to the Mayo and Dublin defeats where we were tentative, we really went at it against Kerry and had we a free taker or had we taken the goal chances we created, we would have won that game.

The system suits the players we have, it's just a matter of being a bit braver and let some of those lads take the shackles off a bit more.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2018, 03:05:28 PM
No Michael Cassidy among the subs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 26, 2018, 03:06:48 PM


Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Mark Bradley, Lee Brennan, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Frank Burns, Richard Donnelly, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNabb, Ronan O'Neill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 26, 2018, 06:00:26 PM
Unless Mc Clare is injured or not fully fit yet, he is a much better player than the two MF selected, jus don't see McNulty as the standard, just he is still getting bites. Very decent lad to I might add
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 26, 2018, 06:14:15 PM
Cathal mc Carron not on the subs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 26, 2018, 06:49:19 PM
Has anyone any idea where in under jaysus the match is? Tuam or salthill? It's less than 48 hours away...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 27, 2018, 03:46:47 PM
So there you have it! The moy have every man behind the ball  with 20 per cent possession and the opposition cantering to a win nearing the end and hey presto they decide to go man to man and they score more in the last five minutes than the whole of the rest of the game to get into the final. wow! How's about just go man to man in the final lads. Hopefully Harte and Tyrone football in general has took note! Btw I'm still here after many attempts to get me off this forum by others ha ha
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 27, 2018, 04:41:21 PM
Moy rode their luck but fair play to them,the effort was unreal.Big Sean hopefully signs off in Croker with a win.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 27, 2018, 05:47:33 PM
Absolutely the two cavanaghs deserve another good day in headquarters after last August.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 02:52:32 PM
McNamee hooked after 20 minutes.

I think he will be very lucky to keep his place this year, way off it in the past 18 months and his discipline is questionable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 28, 2018, 04:14:16 PM
8 points this week 8 points last week... great to see our new attacking brand of football  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2018, 04:21:13 PM
The whole country are moving away from defensive crap that we have seen this 10 years and Tyrone are only starting it
Use have the best group of players in ulster let them play some football will you Mickey
And then that muck yesterday
Jesus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 04:30:54 PM
While Harte gets a torrent of abuse for picking McCrory, I think his continued selections of McNamee, Kieran McGeary and Conall McCann should be as much of a contention. I don't like singling players out but I think playing these two lads in the half forward line is a very negative move. McCann is far, far too passive and I think McGeary plays wing back or he doesn't play at all. I think we have much better players who

The sending off and poor start obviously didn't help, along with the conditions but it's a real cause for concern.

The full back line is a massive concern, McNamee has been an embarrassment of late, his defending has been poor and his ill discipline make him a liability. I think we have to put Hamspey to full back, he's better further out the pitch but he's the best option at full back, I know Meyler and Rory Brennan are quite injury prone but I think they should be nailed on starters.

Team I'd like to see for Dublin:

1. O'Neill
2. McKernan
3. Hampsey
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. R Brennan
7. Harte
8. McClure
9. M Donnelly
10. Meyler
11. Sludden
12. R Donnelly
13. Bradley
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey




Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2018, 04:21:13 PM
The whole country are moving away from defensive crap that we have seen this 10 years and Tyrone are only starting it
Use have the best group of players in ulster let them play some football will you Mickey
And then that muck yesterday
Jesus

Do we have a top class forward?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2018, 04:36:04 PM
Sludden
Meyler
Bradley
McAliskey
Harte
Donnelly

All really good forwards problem is they play more around the middle

Throw the shackles off Mickey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 28, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Sats it up nicely for the dubs
Big deal we got beat in a game of footbal. Usual suspects couldn't wait to get a dig.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 04:45:07 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2018, 04:36:04 PM
Sludden
Meyler
Bradley
McAliskey
Harte
Donnelly

All really good forwards problem is they play more around the middle

Throw the shackles off Mickey

How many of them are scorers in the ilk of a McBrearty, Murphy, Paul Geaney, Andy Moran, Conor McManus, Paul Mannion etc?

None.

4 of them (Meyler, Sludden, Harte and Donnelly) are middle players who are most comfortable in the middle area of the field (5-12).

Unfortunately the modern game has changed, all the top inside forwards these days are 6ft plus nowadays. We don't have a top forward who has the physical presence to give us that threat.

I think we can certainly make adjustments to our attack to make it work better but the bottom line is we have a lot of very skilled forwards but we don't have any top bracket forward in our side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2018, 04:59:56 PM
Bomber throw the shackles off it's only the league
Tyrone will rack up big against the likes of Antrim and Cavan but not the big teams
Go out and play football and not that muck
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2018, 04:59:56 PM
Bomber throw the shackles off it's only the league
Tyrone will rack up big against the likes of Antrim and Cavan but not the big teams
Go out and play football and not that muck

There is no mandate for Tyrone to entertain neutrals. As a Tyrone fan, the result is what matters. If we don't rack up against the big teams then it's as much a case of a lack of quality than it is of the tactics we employ. I want Tyrone to play the type of football that enables us to be competitive and successful, not for what endears the neutrals.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 28, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 28, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Sats it up nicely for the dubs
Big deal we got beat in a game of footbal. Usual suspects couldn't wait to get a dig.

is a sort of counter balance to the hype if they'd have won
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 28, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
From listening to the radio it appears our two common foes continue to cause us the biggest problems Profligacy from open play and free kicks.

Really bad result that already has us in danger of being in a relegation scrap considering our game next weekend.

Can anyone give us a run down on our tactics, did we leave 2 or 3 upfront?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 05:16:57 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
From listening to the radio it appears our two common foes continue to cause us the biggest problems Profligacy from open play and free kicks.

Really bad result that already has us in danger of being in a relegation scrap considering our game next weekend.

Can anyone give us a run down on our tactics, did we leave 2 or 3 upfront?

The weather conditions did seem to be quite horrendous for shooting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 28, 2018, 05:28:59 PM
The presence of a Colm Cavanagh is a big loss against better opposition. Colm being there allows others to get forward when instructed. He will miss the Dublin game as well. One thing we can't do is get red cards. I'd be shocked I'd McCurry doesn't now get an extended period on the bench.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 05:58:16 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
From listening to the radio it appears our two common foes continue to cause us the biggest problems Profligacy from open play and free kicks.

Really bad result that already has us in danger of being in a relegation scrap considering our game next weekend.

Can anyone give us a run down on our tactics, did we leave 2 or 3 upfront?

Two from what I could tell. Problem was they continually played the high ball into the smallest man on the pitch (Bradley). It was mad stuff. Didn't help playing with 14 men either, they constantly had a free man for kickouts.
Galway played like Tyrone 2017 sitting back waiting to spring the trap.

A bad day at the office all round.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 28, 2018, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 05:16:57 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
From listening to the radio it appears our two common foes continue to cause us the biggest problems Profligacy from open play and free kicks.

Really bad result that already has us in danger of being in a relegation scrap considering our game next weekend.

Can anyone give us a run down on our tactics, did we leave 2 or 3 upfront?

The weather conditions did seem to be quite horrendous for shooting.

That would be fair enough if both sides were roughly equal but the first half stats were brutal from a Tyrone perspective. I think it was 7 v 2 close to the end of first half. Not sure of full time stats though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 28, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 28, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 28, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Sats it up nicely for the dubs
Big deal we got beat in a game of footbal. Usual suspects couldn't wait to get a dig.

is a sort of counter balance to the hype if they'd have won

You'd hope another McKenna Cup on the sideboard in mid-Feb will give the right platform for Div 1 survival.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on January 28, 2018, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 28, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Sats it up nicely for the dubs
Big deal we got beat in a game of footbal. Usual suspects couldn't wait to get a dig.

Yeah, good call mate, let's just brush this under the carpet and pretend this match didn't happen
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 06:50:57 PM
Three more years. Three more years. Three more years. Next Sunday I would advise any proud Tyrone man to stay away from social media and the Irish news next Monday. Three more years. Three more years. Three more years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 28, 2018, 06:56:09 PM
What in order god people see in mc curry having something to offer i will never see. time and time again he bottles it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 28, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
What did he do? When the Galway radio boys settled down from a murder attempt they finally declared if a charge more than anything. Was he hard done by?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 07:34:18 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 28, 2018, 06:56:09 PM
What in order god people see in mc curry having something to offer i will never see. time and time again he bottles it
aye sure blame mc curry. he and alot of other players have been ruined by harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 28, 2018, 08:22:40 PM
The saddest thing about this board is that no matter what the result is next week the anti harte, pro harte groups will be I told you soing next Sunday. Nothing reasonable gets airtime at all. A bit like 6 county politics tbh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 08:37:42 PM
You can tell the system has radically radically changed. No more are we flooding behind the ball every time we are turned over. No more are we carrying the ball to the full forward line. The kick pass to a corner forward was happening all day. It just wasn't a day for it. First day of the new system, it's nothing to panic about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 08:42:01 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
What did he do? When the Galway radio boys settled down from a murder attempt they finally declared if a charge more than anything. Was he hard done by?

Don't get me started on them boys. An aul man infront of me had the handheld radio going and to say they are biased would be an understatement. Few of our boys surrounded a lone Galway player, forcing him to cough it up, only for the hysteria to begin on the radio. "This is the pukiest of puke football. There's no place for this etc etc"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
it was puke football. i see ttm havent even bothered to put up a match report and no sign of mickey doin an interview after the match either. plenty of stuff up about the big mc kenna cup wins.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 28, 2018, 08:52:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
it was puke football. i see ttm havent even bothered to put up a match report and no sign of mickey doin an interview after the match either. plenty of stuff up about the big mc kenna cup wins.

Give them a chance to get up the road u knob. Mickey teach u at school?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 28, 2018, 08:53:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
it was puke football. i see ttm havent even bothered to put up a match report and no sign of mickey doin an interview after the match either. plenty of stuff up about the big mc kenna cup wins.

The TT lads are probably travelling home from the game and Mickey already has an interview out there. Sure never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/42834886
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 09:00:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
it was puke football. i see ttm havent even bothered to put up a match report and no sign of mickey doin an interview after the match either. plenty of stuff up about the big mc kenna cup wins.

You think ttm won't put up a match report because Tyrone lost? Are you serious?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 09:03:13 PM
they never put one up after the dublin game last year sure. maybe they will do it later.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 09:23:44 PM
Maybe it's because Tuam is 3 or 4 hours away?? For what it's worth the ladies won handily but they haven't got that up yet either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 28, 2018, 09:39:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 09:03:13 PM
they never put one up after the dublin game last year sure. maybe they will do it later.

Great win for your lot today   Wexford never an easy team to beat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 28, 2018, 09:44:52 PM
Ending with 12 men isn't great either
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on January 28, 2018, 09:45:47 PM
Surely Aidan Mc Crory give an interview to TTM!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
People need to understand the fundamental problem with Tyrone, the county has lost its way under Harte. The county is split over him and a new energy from a new voice is badly needed. This really can't go on and the best thing he can do after our imminent relegation is to step down. I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on January 28, 2018, 10:06:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 08:37:42 PM
You can tell the system has radically radically changed. No more are we flooding behind the ball every time we are turned over. No more are we carrying the ball to the full forward line. The kick pass to a corner forward was happening all day. It just wasn't a day for it. First day of the new system, it's nothing to panic about.

Not sure if you're being serious, given that they spent last year playing Mark Bradley (one of the shortest forwards in the country) as a one man forward line and persisted in trying to kick the ball in to him. Absolutely senseless stuff and yet it was persisted with and it seems to have been more of the same today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 28, 2018, 10:13:05 PM
Only way is down but is fault is with those determined to keep him there. Was great back in 03-05 etc but has been left way behind by coaches today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 10:41:02 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
People need to understand the fundamental problem with Tyrone, the county has lost its way under Harte. The county is split over him and a new energy from a new voice is badly needed. This really can't go on and the best thing he can do after our imminent relegation is to step down. I won't hold my breath.
With all seriousness do cop on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 10:46:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 10:41:02 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
People need to understand the fundamental problem with Tyrone, the county has lost its way under Harte. The county is split over him and a new energy from a new voice is badly needed. This really can't go on and the best thing he can do after our imminent relegation is to step down. I won't hold my breath.
With all seriousness do cop on.
Are you serious? For I am 100 per cent you deluded individual.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 10:52:09 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 10:46:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 10:41:02 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 09:54:51 PM
People need to understand the fundamental problem with Tyrone, the county has lost its way under Harte. The county is split over him and a new energy from a new voice is badly needed. This really can't go on and the best thing he can do after our imminent relegation is to step down. I won't hold my breath.
With all seriousness do cop on.
Are you serious? For I am 100 per cent you deluded individual.

We've had one match out of seven.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 10:57:38 PM
I'd worry about our physicality this year. We've lost Sean Cavanagh and Justy now and bar Colm Cavanagh and McNulty who I don't think is up to it, we are really lacking players with a bit of presence. When you compare the Tyrone team against the likes of Mayo, Dublin, Kerry and even Donegal we are severely lacking physically.

All the same, I don't think winter football has ever really suited Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 11:03:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 10:57:38 PM
I'd worry about our physicality this year. We've lost Sean Cavanagh and Justy now and bar Colm Cavanagh and McNulty who I don't think is up to it, we are really lacking players with a bit of presence. When you compare the Tyrone team against the likes of Mayo, Dublin, Kerry and even Donegal we are severely lacking physically.

All the same, I don't think winter football has ever really suited Tyrone.

T mccann and maybe donnelly/sludden fit for the physicality of it. Outside that its hard to see anyone else. Colm cav was sorely missed today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 11:09:51 PM
bomber, winter football seems to suit them alright when it comes to mc kenna cups.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2018, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 11:09:51 PM
bomber, winter football seems to suit them alright when it comes to mc kenna cups.

I don't think the heavy ground really suits our players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 11:09:51 PM
bomber, winter football seems to suit them alright when it comes to mc kenna cups.
lol. I think bomber should be reported to the moderator, for these clichéd comments have people tearing their bloody hair out!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on January 28, 2018, 11:20:55 PM
I know Tomas O'Shea is probably hurt from An Gaeltacht getting beat yesterday by a Tyrone side, but he's still 100% right tonight. It was disgraceful today from Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 28, 2018, 11:27:06 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 11:09:51 PM
bomber, winter football seems to suit them alright when it comes to mc kenna cups.
lol. I think bomber should be reported to the moderator, for these clichéd comments have people tearing their bloody hair out!

You have been busy today yourself:

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/2018-01-28/naas/461400/naas-rebrand-(proam)-flat-race
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2018, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 28, 2018, 11:20:55 PM
I know Tomas O'Shea is probably hurt from An Gaeltacht getting beat yesterday by a Tyrone side, but he's still 100% right tonight. It was disgraceful today from Tyrone.

What did he say?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 11:38:50 PM
basically o shea said tyrone scoring just 3 points from play was disgraceful. said he was suprised there was no tactical change from the dublin game last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on January 29, 2018, 12:30:24 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
it was puke football. i see ttm havent even bothered to put up a match report and no sign of mickey doin an interview after the match either. plenty of stuff up about the big mc kenna cup wins.
Match report: http://teamtalkmag.com/2018/01/46754/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/2018/01/46754/)
Harte Interview: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1987324938195569&id=1566619706932763 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1987324938195569&id=1566619706932763)

And you are the same clown who recently went on the attack against TTM over their awards night in relation to how it dealt with the county/Harte, not realising the entire night was about club football.

While I am by no means a supporter of Harte's brand of football, yourself and 'thebigdog' are two absolute pollutants to this board. While 'southtyronegael', your repeated attacks on TTM are totally unwarranted and illinformed.

I already set up a separate thread for you and 'thebigdog' to spout your illinformed, overly personal, nasty, childish anonymous abuse about people in. Kindly clear off back to it. The volunteer gaels behind teamtalk do more for the GAA community than anonymous, immature, cowardly little runts like you ever will.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 29, 2018, 05:12:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on January 29, 2018, 12:30:24 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
it was puke football. i see ttm havent even bothered to put up a match report and no sign of mickey doin an interview after the match either. plenty of stuff up about the big mc kenna cup wins.
Match report: http://teamtalkmag.com/2018/01/46754/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/2018/01/46754/)
Harte Interview: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1987324938195569&id=1566619706932763 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1987324938195569&id=1566619706932763)

And you are the same clown who recently went on the attack against TTM over their awards night in relation to how it dealt with the county/Harte, not realising the entire night was about club football.

While I am by no means a supporter of Harte's brand of football, yourself and 'thebigdog' are two absolute pollutants to this board. While 'southtyronegael', your repeated attacks on TTM are totally unwarranted and illinformed.

I already set up a separate thread for you and 'thebigdog' to spout your illinformed, overly personal, nasty, childish anonymous abuse about people in. Kindly clear off back to it. The volunteer gaels behind teamtalk do more for the GAA community than anonymous, immature, cowardly little runts like you ever will.
shut up Mickey lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on January 29, 2018, 05:18:45 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 28, 2018, 11:27:06 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on January 28, 2018, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2018, 11:09:51 PM
bomber, winter football seems to suit them alright when it comes to mc kenna cups.
lol. I think bomber should be reported to the moderator, for these clichéd comments have people tearing their bloody hair out!

You have been busy today yourself:

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/2018-01-28/naas/461400/naas-rebrand-(proam)-flat-race
lol hope you filled your boots!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 29, 2018, 07:16:01 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 28, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 28, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 28, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Sats it up nicely for the dubs
Big deal we got beat in a game of footbal. Usual suspects couldn't wait to get a dig.

is a sort of counter balance to the hype if they'd have won

You'd hope another McKenna Cup on the sideboard in mid-Feb will give the right platform for Div 1 survival.

Going by yesterdays standards, Donegal will win that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 29, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Its all set up tp beat the dubs on sat night and get the show moving again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 29, 2018, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: skeog on January 29, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Its all set up tp beat the dubs on sat night and get the show moving again.
I would be fearing a real hammering, have Tyrone lost their bottle?  I'm beginning to think the last trip to CP will hurt for a long time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 29, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
I always find it hard to show the right balance after a horrid performance like that.
I mean too many people OVER react and some are always defensive and too positive and can't say yes that was just not good enough.

If I'm totally honest with how I felt yesterday at 4pm I was angry and annoyed and had had a very bad 12 hours anyway having lost my phone and wallet. To travel that far to watch muck like that had me thinking this is the last nail in the coffin for me and away league games. I'd actually rather go down for the nights craic and then not bother going to the game at all as its just putting me in bad form.

The earlier goal did knock us a bit and so right away we were playing catch up but you could see from a very early stage that Galway were a lot more direct in their play. Willing to use the kick pass a lot more and move the ball quickly. We have this obsession with NOT losing the ball any more by using hand passing and then sure enough we over play it and then lose it. Reminded me of the Dubs match last year where we just kept making the same mistakes over and over again.

Of course its only the first game of the season and we were slow to get out of the blocks and its was horrible conditions BUT this was a 2nd rate Galway team (I mean they were missing a lot of their 1st choice players) and we were only really missing Colm Cavanagh. Yes big loss I know.
We have a HUGE lack of leaders in the team in my eyes, men who dont need advice from their manager but can see where things are going wrong and take the game by the scruff of the neck. Mattie is team captain now but we hardly saw him all day.

I watched the highlights of the Dubs v Kildare game last night and I was amazed how many of their big guns they had playing. Fenton had a stormer scoring 1.5 I think from MF.
I've gone from really looking forward to the battle of Omagh part II to now dreading it.

I realise its only round 1 of the league but to me that was one of our easier games on paper and we never looked like winning it. A home defeat to the Dubs and with Donegal and Monaghan showing they are not too far away from Mayo and Kerry I think it could be relegation talk rather than top 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 29, 2018, 10:20:58 AM
Snapchap, are these the same ttm great volunteers who tried to engineer the partially successful coup against rosin Jordan? Great lads alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 29, 2018, 10:48:02 AM
STG and TBD crudely put across the feelings of many Tyrone people that I know used to go to all the games. Fuzzman you seem to have to got to a stage that I got to a couple of years ago after being at the Donegal Ulster final and Mayo games in quick succession. Put simply Tyrone are bloody boring. Its boring to watch them put big scores on lesser teams and its boring to watch them try and compete with the better teams with this "style" of football.
The Moy game reminded me of that Ulster Final. Play crap for most of the match and steal a win at the end. Good luck to them in the final but I think after that it will be a painful year for them........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on January 29, 2018, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 29, 2018, 10:20:58 AM
Snapchap, are these the same ttm great volunteers who tried to engineer the partially successful coup against rosin Jordan? Great lads alright.

I'd be more incline to believe your allegations/care about your allegations if you knew the first thing about Teamtalk or the men behind it. You have already made it abundantly clear that you are absolutely clueless about them.

I'd be fairly confident through that they don't spend their time bravely using anonymously on a web forum to dish out abuse at named individuals who have quite clearly been providing a valuable service to Tyrone gaels for years now for no financial reward.

It boggles my mind that anyone can spend so much of their time sitting at a keyboard hiding behind a fake name to viciously abuse people named GAA volunteers and still have some misguided believe that doing so makes them the ones that are the 'great lads'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 29, 2018, 11:59:58 AM
Snap chat, show me a post where I 'viciously abused' anyone on ttm. And stop trying to moderate the forum just because u don't like what u hear. The days of tip toeing round and being silent on certain matters regarding Tyrone football are over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on January 29, 2018, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 29, 2018, 10:48:02 AM
STG and TBD crudely put across the feelings of many Tyrone people that I know used to go to all the games.

The criticisms of Harte's style of play are more than warranted and are something you will hear at every match, and deservedly so, and I have no issue with criticisms of Harte or Teamtalk on websites like this if it is warranted and is not overly personal.

What is uncalled for is outright personal abuse on a web forum where GAA volunteers (be it Harte or the Teamtalk men) are anonymously abused by cowards and referred to as 'furhers' etc and are faced with anonymous allegations about themselves.

Simple concept lads - treat others the way you would like to be treated yourself. I have no doubt that if STG or TBG ever had a pubic role volunteering within the GAA, they would not enjoy seeing their real identities splashed across the board and personal abuse or allegations made about them by anonymous cowards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 29, 2018, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
I always find it hard to show the right balance after a horrid performance like that.
I mean too many people OVER react and some are always defensive and too positive and can't say yes that was just not good enough.

If I'm totally honest with how I felt yesterday at 4pm I was angry and annoyed and had had a very bad 12 hours anyway having lost my phone and wallet. To travel that far to watch muck like that had me thinking this is the last nail in the coffin for me and away league games. I'd actually rather go down for the nights craic and then not bother going to the game at all as its just putting me in bad form.

The earlier goal did knock us a bit and so right away we were playing catch up but you could see from a very early stage that Galway were a lot more direct in their play. Willing to use the kick pass a lot more and move the ball quickly. We have this obsession with NOT losing the ball any more by using hand passing and then sure enough we over play it and then lose it. Reminded me of the Dubs match last year where we just kept making the same mistakes over and over again.

Of course its only the first game of the season and we were slow to get out of the blocks and its was horrible conditions BUT this was a 2nd rate Galway team (I mean they were missing a lot of their 1st choice players) and we were only really missing Colm Cavanagh. Yes big loss I know.
We have a HUGE lack of leaders in the team in my eyes, men who dont need advice from their manager but can see where things are going wrong and take the game by the scruff of the neck. Mattie is team captain now but we hardly saw him all day.

I watched the highlights of the Dubs v Kildare game last night and I was amazed how many of their big guns they had playing. Fenton had a stormer scoring 1.5 I think from MF.
I've gone from really looking forward to the battle of Omagh part II to now dreading it.

I realise its only round 1 of the league but to me that was one of our easier games on paper and we never looked like winning it. A home defeat to the Dubs and with Donegal and Monaghan showing they are not too far away from Mayo and Kerry I think it could be relegation talk rather than top 2.

Was there any evidence of a change in tactics from last year Fuzz? Did we go man to man at all, bring less men back or leave more forwards up the pitch? I've seen plenty of low scoring games when teams where playing man for man, especially in bad conditions and it seems to be the jumped upon narrative from many who weren't at the game (including Marc O'Se) who see the the scoreline and conclude that it was same old Tyrone. I'm interested to see if there was any green shoots to cling to or was it simply more of the same?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on January 29, 2018, 12:11:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 29, 2018, 11:59:58 AM
Snap chat, show me a post where I 'viciously abused' anyone on ttm. And stop trying to moderate the forum just because u don't like what u hear. The days of tip toeing round and being silent on certain matters regarding Tyrone football are over.

So you haven't, for example, repeatedly mocked Harte for his faith and referred to him as a "religious fundamentalist", for example?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 29, 2018, 12:14:12 PM
TTM do wonderful work but to class them as volunteers doesnt sound right i am sure the directors are reimbursed and rightly so for the greai show that they run like any other radio or online organization.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 29, 2018, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2018, 12:07:58 PM

Was there any evidence of a change in tactics from last year Fuzz? Did we go man to man at all, bring less men back or leave more forwards up the pitch? I've seen plenty of low scoring games when teams where playing man for man, especially in bad conditions and it seems to be the jumped upon narrative from many who weren't at the game (including Marc O'Se) who see the the scoreline and conclude that it was same old Tyrone. I'm interested to see if there was any green shoots to cling to or was it simply more of the same?

To be honest I didnt think they were as defensive as last year, though Ive to watch back the highlights back yet. There was none of the organised packed lines of defence we saw last year. A big problem was flat footedness whilst going forward. We seemed to be carrying the ball slowly to Galways 45, meeting a brick wall and going back and forward before trying a high ball into Mark bradley (never going to work). Just seemed totally bereft of ideas whilst attacking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 29, 2018, 12:19:18 PM
I'm sure mickey would take it as a compliment and not regard it as Vicious abuse'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 29, 2018, 12:21:23 PM
Depressing start, players seem a bit lost. as someone said above I think there is still a big hangover from the Dublin crushing.

Tough tough ask Saturday night but as always over reactions flowing. Give them a chance.

Why anyone responds to southfermanaghgael anymore I will never understand
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 29, 2018, 12:30:40 PM
Yeah Trap tbh I'm quite disillusioned and was saying at my young lads U11 game on Saturday morning that this is probably the best game of football will see this weekend. I used to enjoy watching Tyrone even back in the 80s and 90s when we were not getting to Ai semis, playing swashbuckling football where we moved the ball at pace and flair with great characters and goals through the years.
Maybe I've just joined the OLD MOANERS club but I really don't enjoy the games any more
No characters, no goal scorers, not even a reliable free taker and no sign of that improving.

That Ulster final we won 2 years ago I was miserable up until the final 5 mins. Worst final I've EVER been at and there has been a lot.

Of course the game has changed and you have to adapt but we must take some blame for that (us and Donegal mainly in my eyes). It's as if we've sold her soul to the "possession king" Devil and we can't get it back.

Harte has openly said he doesn't care about entertainment or nice football. His job is to make these men winners and that often means "closing out " the game and not giving away cheap possession. Are we even doing that?

I'd say a lot of us who felt so miserable and negative last August were waiting to see how this league would start off and would there be a change in tactics. Was there yesterday? Were we kicking the ball more into the forwards? Maybe a bit yes but if we were was it just very bad execution and then fear breaks out that you'll be called aside so they revert to passing backwards and sidewards and F**KING ARSEWARDS

I could have spent the day with my kids doing something fun but instead I got home at 9.30 tired, grumpy and feeling totally deflated. At least I'm mature enough now not to let it affect me too much any more but Jay$u$ lads we need to wake up and start calling a spade a spade and not just shrug our shoulders and put up with it.
Nobody wants to watch us play another year like that. I'd say the feckin players are fed up with it too. How could they enjoy playing like that. No sense of freedom or space to try something outrageous. Mugsy would never have got into this system now had he been 25 now. What does that tell us?

The comment from the Galway channel might be lazy but is it that far from the truth re PUKE football.
Just cos we didn't like the term when it first game out and who said it I think it does sum up my feeling towards it. I don't go to any club games any more as I live in Dublin so maybe I've not become as numb as some have from watching it all the time but to me and I don't say this lightly, I am embarrassed when i meet real GAA people who ask me where I'm from and when they hear Tyrone they start giving out about us and what is wrong we can't play open football like we used to years ago. I played ball on Friday night and a good few lads were asking me will Harte change it around this year.

Our run last year papered over a lot of craics as we ran up such big scores against teams below us in the rankings but the fact remains we are no more than a top 4 or 5 team at best at the moment and I'd rather we open up and play decent football in most matches and be enjoyable to watch rather than the tripe we were served again yesterday.

I have a feeling a lot on here do think the same but are too scared to write it down. We dont need to go overboard like a few posters on here and some of the others will say "Ahh Fuzzman, it was only a matter of time before you went down this road."
Yes it was only a matter of time as I'm fed up watching it year after year and not seeing anything change. Our large support has dwindled away in recent years and a lot of that is plain and simple. Its not fun to watch Tyrone any more.

On another note, did anyone see the Donegal game? Did they look to have changed their style? I didnt see it



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 29, 2018, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2018, 12:30:40 PM
Yeah Trap tbh I'm quite disillusioned and was saying at my young lads U11 game on Saturday morning that this is probably the best game of football will see this weekend. I used to enjoy watching Tyrone even back in the 80s and 90s when we were not getting to Ai semis, playing swashbuckling football where we moved the ball at pace and flair with great characters and goals through the years.
Maybe I've just joined the OLD MOANERS club but I really don't enjoy the games any more
No characters, no goal scorers, not even a reliable free taker and no sign of that improving.

That Ulster final we won 2 years ago I was miserable up until the final 5 mins. Worst final I've EVER been at and there has been a lot.

Of course the game has changed and you have to adapt but we must take some blame for that (us and Donegal mainly in my eyes). It's as if we've sold her soul to the "possession king" Devil and we can't get it back.

Harte has openly said he doesn't care about entertainment or nice football. His job is to make these men winners and that often means "closing out " the game and not giving away cheap possession. Are we even doing that?

I'd say a lot of us who felt so miserable and negative last August were waiting to see how this league would start off and would there be a change in tactics. Was there yesterday? Were we kicking the ball more into the forwards? Maybe a bit yes but if we were was it just very bad execution and then fear breaks out that you'll be called aside so they revert to passing backwards and sidewards and F**KING ARSEWARDS

I could have spent the day with my kids doing something fun but instead I got home at 9.30 tired, grumpy and feeling totally deflated. At least I'm mature enough now not to let it affect me too much any more but Jay$u$ lads we need to wake up and start calling a spade a spade and not just shrug our shoulders and put up with it.
Nobody wants to watch us play another year like that. I'd say the feckin players are fed up with it too. How could they enjoy playing like that. No sense of freedom or space to try something outrageous. Mugsy would never have got into this system now had he been 25 now. What does that tell us?

The comment from the Galway channel might be lazy but is it that far from the truth re PUKE football.
Just cos we didn't like the term when it first game out and who said it I think it does sum up my feeling towards it. I don't go to any club games any more as I live in Dublin so maybe I've not become as numb as some have from watching it all the time but to me and I don't say this lightly, I am embarrassed when i meet real GAA people who ask me where I'm from and when they hear Tyrone they start giving out about us and what is wrong we can't play open football like we used to years ago. I played ball on Friday night and a good few lads were asking me will Harte change it around this year.

Our run last year papered over a lot of craics as we ran up such big scores against teams below us in the rankings but the fact remains we are no more than a top 4 or 5 team at best at the moment and I'd rather we open up and play decent football in most matches and be enjoyable to watch rather than the tripe we were served again yesterday.

I have a feeling a lot on here do think the same but are too scared to write it down. We dont need to go overboard like a few posters on here and some of the others will say "Ahh Fuzzman, it was only a matter of time before you went down this road."
Yes it was only a matter of time as I'm fed up watching it year after year and not seeing anything change. Our large support has dwindled away in recent years and a lot of that is plain and simple. Its not fun to watch Tyrone any more.

On another note, did anyone see the Donegal game? Did they look to have changed their style? I didnt see it

you okay love?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2018, 12:44:29 PM
Not a great showing yesturday lads. Exact same as my comment after seeing Tyrone v St Marys in Coalisland and echo's RedHand88 comments.

Slow, ponderous, lack of adventure. Tyrone players are afraid to make mistakes in recent years and this shows little sign so far of changing. However, the elements weren't exactly brilliant either it must be said.

Just watched the Kerry/Donegal game this morning. I might have been better staying at home and watching that one deferred.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 29, 2018, 12:45:49 PM
Fair play to you Fuzzman. You gave it far more of a chance that I did and were a lot more patient. Now I don't even know if Tyrone have the players any more because the football almost seems to be coached out of them. However they do look good in their tight jerseys!
To change I believe and have believed that a whole new management team is required. The whole thing needs freshened up.

Donegal scored 3 14 yesterday playing with 14 men for as long as Tyrone against Kerry in Killarney. Conditions weren't as bad but they had a lot of new players on their team whereas Tyrone had almost a full team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2018, 12:53:07 PM
To be fair, McBrearty and MacNiallais would walk onto the Tyrone team, both capable of putting the ball well over from 45 and beyond. Hard to defend that - something I think Tyrone have gone away from, percentage football I suppose. They done alot of Donegal scoring.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 29, 2018, 01:10:33 PM
The contributers to this forum on this site maybe split on their loyalties to Harte but the County Committee in Garvaghy are behind him. This committee is the voice of the clubs. Mickey requested a 2 year extension and in their wisdom they give him 3 years.

He's one month into his 3 year extension, move on from the Harte Out agenda. I myself was against any extension but it's there now so as a supporter all I can do is get behind the team. I can't see Tyrone beating Dublin next weekend (I hope I'm wrong). That will then require all the energies from trying to win a league to let's stay in this league.

TTM did post an interview with MH, not much in it, there questioning wasn't difficult either I must say. But I don't think the anti TTM is warranted. They cover the games for those who don't travel to places like Galway or even Omagh but still want to have their say on forums like this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tothetop03 on January 29, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
Staying in Div 1 will be a major achievement....seen 2 mckenna cup games and yesterdays league game  have seen nothing to  suggest we will have a change of style..... thats me finished to the summer sick and tired of getting soaked and froze watching pure borefest football.... i hope mickey does not turn the whole county against himself in the next 3 years but i cant see that not happening to be honest...its just sad the shape it all is in to be honest....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on January 29, 2018, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
I always find it hard to show the right balance after a horrid performance like that.
I mean too many people OVER react and some are always defensive and too positive and can't say yes that was just not good enough.

If I'm totally honest with how I felt yesterday at 4pm I was angry and annoyed and had had a very bad 12 hours anyway having lost my phone and wallet. To travel that far to watch muck like that had me thinking this is the last nail in the coffin for me and away league games. I'd actually rather go down for the nights craic and then not bother going to the game at all as its just putting me in bad form.

The earlier goal did knock us a bit and so right away we were playing catch up but you could see from a very early stage that Galway were a lot more direct in their play. Willing to use the kick pass a lot more and move the ball quickly. We have this obsession with NOT losing the ball any more by using hand passing and then sure enough we over play it and then lose it. Reminded me of the Dubs match last year where we just kept making the same mistakes over and over again.

Of course its only the first game of the season and we were slow to get out of the blocks and its was horrible conditions BUT this was a 2nd rate Galway team (I mean they were missing a lot of their 1st choice players) and we were only really missing Colm Cavanagh. Yes big loss I know.
We have a HUGE lack of leaders in the team in my eyes, men who dont need advice from their manager but can see where things are going wrong and take the game by the scruff of the neck. Mattie is team captain now but we hardly saw him all day.

I watched the highlights of the Dubs v Kildare game last night and I was amazed how many of their big guns they had playing. Fenton had a stormer scoring 1.5 I think from MF.
I've gone from really looking forward to the battle of Omagh part II to now dreading it.

I realise its only round 1 of the league but to me that was one of our easier games on paper and we never looked like winning it. A home defeat to the Dubs and with Donegal and Monaghan showing they are not too far away from Mayo and Kerry I think it could be relegation talk rather than top 2.
Can you tell us a bit more about losing your phone and wallet? happens the best of us
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 29, 2018, 02:23:33 PM
haha Bogman. Yeah it was an interesting 24 hrs alright.

Some nice Muslim African guy (his words) found it on shop street(Wallet and phone together in the one unit) and saw my No written on the wallet so rang me the next day (yes I bought a new phone the next day) and told me he had all my cards and money all safe and to come to his house to collect it which I did after the Galway game.
Absolute gent and I gave him something for his honesty.

He said maybe don't drink so much the next time. Haha but he also thought we need to change our style and that frank McGuigan should make a come back

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on January 29, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
I think we're possibly over-reacting a bit about yesterday. For those that went and expected some kind of swash-buckling display, it aint gonna happen. Our defenders can't go man to man. Kerry last year showed this. We went man to man and got cleaned out. Our best defender McNabb is on the bench and probably won't start again. If the Dubs are the benchmark, then we should be basing our team at them and we don't. Go through our team and we don't match up individually, either skill wise or size wise. Someone mentions Mattie Donnelly and not being a leader, I take issue with that, he led his club from beaten finalists in the Intermediate final to relatively comfortable senior winners. There's possibly no greater leader in Ireland at the minute, but if those around him don't have the balls to follow him then thats not his fault. And he had a bad match yday, I acknowledge that. I just feel that our system is as a result of our relative poor backline. Consider how many CLUB forwards in Tyrone are genuinely worried or hesitant about matching up with any of our defence in a club or league game? There's none. None of our defence has that aura or hardness about them and thats what missing. Mickey Harte is right, he's not in the entertainment business, he's in the results and I expect he see's this himself and the system gives him his best chance. He gave a real god interview in the Irish Times over the weekend and it's probably his best in a while but he finishes by asking is it fair to judge this group by what went before them, instead judge them on their own merits. Is two Ulster championships the optimum they can achieve?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 29, 2018, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 29, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
I think we're possibly over-reacting a bit about yesterday. For those that went and expected some kind of swash-buckling display, it aint gonna happen. Our defenders can't go man to man. Kerry last year showed this. We went man to man and got cleaned out. Our best defender McNabb is on the bench and probably won't start again. If the Dubs are the benchmark, then we should be basing our team at them and we don't. Go through our team and we don't match up individually, either skill wise or size wise. Someone mentions Mattie Donnelly and not being a leader, I take issue with that, he led his club from beaten finalists in the Intermediate final to relatively comfortable senior winners. There's possibly no greater leader in Ireland at the minute, but if those around him don't have the balls to follow him then thats not his fault. And he had a bad match yday, I acknowledge that. I just feel that our system is as a result of our relative poor backline. Consider how many CLUB forwards in Tyrone are genuinely worried or hesitant about matching up with any of our defence in a club or league game? There's none. None of our defence has that aura or hardness about them and thats what missing. Mickey Harte is right, he's not in the entertainment business, he's in the results and I expect he see's this himself and the system gives him his best chance. He gave a real god interview in the Irish Times over the weekend and it's probably his best in a while but he finishes by asking is it fair to judge this group by what went before them, instead judge them on their own merits. Is two Ulster championships the optimum they can achieve?

Mc Nabb has lost his speed he once had and wont make it
Mattie Donnelly "Captained" Trillick yes but was he a good leader?? Genuine Question
Harte and his tactics are the reason supporters have turned away

Snapchat you actually mentioned GAA Volunteers and Harte in the same sentence lol. He's employed

Fuzzman you blame Tyrone and Donegal for the defensive dross we have to put up with. Donegal have changed managers twice since then and are at least trying to change, they scored 3-14 in Kerry with 14 men

And as far as you all yapping at the complainers, and over reactors, wait til Saturday night, when "maybe" Tyrone get within 5 points of a half strength Dublin outfit and you lot all of a sudden start to think that Tyrone maybe arent that far away from an AI lol. We'll see who over reacts then

Wake up men/women of the board. Tyrone are lining out programmed machines, not skilled footballers anymore like Dublin, Kerry, Mayo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 29, 2018, 04:54:40 PM
I wouldn't get hung up on who the captain is. A good team has a number of captains/leaders with one of them players appointed to take the toss and pose for a photograph. You say McNabb is Tyrone's best defender, I'm not sure about that but I do think the problem is Mickey doesn't know who is in his strongest 15.

Rather than preparation for the league the McKenna cup may have caused a few headaches. Add the Moy pair into the mix after the Dublin game and there is more choices to be made. The days of using the league to experiment are gone, it's becoming a serious competition and increasingly valued by supporters. Attendances are getting bigger.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 29, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
Re Mattie being a leader. I too am ONLY talking about what I see of him in the county jersey. He's already won 2 allstars which he deserved imo but to me a leader on the sports pitch is someone who stands up when things aren't going your way and can drag your team out of a slump and raise them.
Yes its easy to say we should stop comparing this team to the 2000s team but that's our main benchmark and there were a lot of leaders on those teams.
Dooher was probably the best team captain and leader we ever had though I am biased of course. I mean he was constantly demanding more from his team but he showed them how as well and not just talk the talk.
Did we see Mattie yesterday trying to raise his team mates and giving them a kick in the arse. Does anyone speak on the team.

The realdonald I'm glad you at least replied to some of our comments and actually discussed them rather than the easy option where some say "Ahh you're just an anti Harte person or you're being biased", however I dont think you will get too many to agree with you that Mattie is the best leader in Ireland at the moment. Did you see Brian Fenton on Sat night scoring 1.03 and showing that even though he's already won 2 all irelands he's keen as mustard?

I think too many on here won't even admit when there is a poor display and discuss why it was so bad.
There is no doubt it was a flat performance yesterday and we looked like the team with half our team missing and no idea about how to create scoring chances. It's bad when you are depending on Tiernan and Peter Harte to be your main scoring threats.

Here is the Irish times report from the game yesterday
Mickey says....
"We had three scores from 10 attempts and that is not going to win a lot of games. If we had have been better in that department we could have slipped ahead at half-time. For the first 10-12 minutes we were flat but after that I thought we put up a brave battle."

Does he think 10 attempts is good enough against a team who have just got promoted and are missing most of their first 15?


Galway 1-9 Tyrone 0-8

There is always the danger of the newbies to Division One suffering from altitude sickness on their first day out, so the signs were encouraging for Galway on Sunday.

In their first top-flight league match since 2011, they looked comfortable. One local fan walking his son through the general greyness and drizzle gave a walking education on just where Galway stood in the greater things. "Apart from Kerry and Dublin, Galway have won more All-Irelands . . . "

In the city, Galway's All-Ireland hurling champions were entertaining the crowd. But in Tuam's stadium, where it always feels as if it's around 1965, Galway football remains king.

Boosted by a brilliant goal after 22 seconds and then a point from captain Damien Comer, the home team had both the know-how and the appetite for the necessary January sludge-work to enjoy a heartening win.

They held the Ulster champions to 0-3 in the first half and coughed up no clear goal chances over the match. Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh gobbled up any high ball that came his way and looked at home at full back, Shane Walsh glided across the squelchy surface and Comer has, over the past two seasons, become a hugely influential force on this team. He really is a sight when he goes at defences at full speed and has the vision and touch to make use of the space he clears through pure strength.

Elsewhere, Eamonn Brannigan kicked two nice points from play and Peter Cooke had good moments – including winning the throw-in which set the move in motion for the Comer goal.

Galway's Peter Cooke challenges Matthew Donnelly of Tyrone during the Allianz League Division One game at Tuam Stadium. Photograph: Bryan Keane/Inpho
Galway's Peter Cooke challenges Matthew Donnelly of Tyrone during the Allianz League Division One game at Tuam Stadium. Photograph: Bryan Keane/Inpho
But the win wasn't quite as emphatic as it might have been: after Shane Walsh kicked his obligatory sublime point in the 54th minute, Galway led by 1-7 to 0-4. They had enjoyed a one-man advantage since the 23rd minute and with that score, the game looked beyond the Ulster champions.

Instead, Kevin Walsh's team had to play and think their way through a concerted Tyrone push for in the final quarter, when seasoned players like Tiernan McCann, Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte began to punch holes in the Galway defence to reel off four quick points to leave just two between the teams.

Niall Sludden clipped a shot off the post during that period, as the old stadium fell ominously quiet. A clever steal – or, from Tyrone's perspective, a loose pass – gave Gareth Bradshaw clear ground to thunder through and lay the ball off for the reliable Comer to ease the pressure on his team with a well-taken point. After that, Galway pulled clear again but a needless and tetchy six minutes of added time saw a series of squabbles which resulted in two further Tyrone men, Michael McKernan and Harte, leaving the field on black cards.

"It was a great start but in fairness when teams get a start like that they can go on the back foot and start defending," Walsh said.

"Our boys didn't do that. Something we have been trying to push is that we go forward as much as possible. Sometimes we have been criticised for that but for the style of Galway football it is important we bring the game to opponents and there was a lot of that today."

Walsh made one late change, inserting Adrian Varley to the starting line-up and leaving him isolated at inside full forward against Ronan McNamee. Galway sought to play him early and often and the exchanges became sufficiently intense to persuade Harte to mix things up, withdrawing his full back early.

"There was just too much aggression between him and his man and someone was going to lose the plot there," said the Tyrone manager. "It was to save being down a man. And suddenly we were down a man anyway! That game was volatile at times and you could have lost players very easily."

So technically, Tyrone finished with 12 men on a day when little went right. Like the crowd still filtering through the turnstile, they seemed stunned by Comer's early goal and were in a different gear for the first 15 minutes.

Given the rottenness of the day, the jig seemed up when they lost Darren McCurry, who responded to a late challenge as he kicked a badly needed point for the visitors and was shown a red.

The pitch was soft and a veil of drizzle moved across field and Tyrone's slick handling and inter-play fell apart too often, with passes mis-timed and players slipping. And yet for all that, they hung around in the match. "In the second half of the first half we played a lot of good football but couldn't take our scoring chances," Harte said reasonably.

"We had three scores from 10 attempts and that is not going to win a lot of games. If we had have been better in that department we could have slipped ahead at half-time. For the first 10-12 minutes we were flat but after that I thought we put up a brave battle."

It was a gritty last quarter performance on a day that Tyrone might have decided was not for them. Had they managed to squeeze the scoreboard by another point in that last 10 minutes, then they might have taken something from the day. Instead, they headed back up the road thinking about a Saturday night visit by All-Ireland champions Dublin. Omagh should be lively that night.

GALWAY: 1 R Lavelle; 2 D Kyne, 3 S A O'Ceallaigh, 4 E Kerin; 5 C Sweeney, 6 G Bradshaw, 7 J Heaney; 8 P Conroy, 9 P Cooke; 10 S Kelly, 11 S Walsh (0-4, three frees), 12 E Brannigan (0-2); 13 P Sweeney (0-1), 25 A Varley, 14 D Comer (1-2).


Substitutes: 18 P Cunningham for 25 A Varley (55 mins), 23 T Flynn for 13 P Sweeney (60), 20 J Duane for 10 S Kelly (65), 24 G O'Donnell for 12 E Brannigan (70), 17 S Armstrong for 11 S Walsh (73).

TYRONE: 1 N Morgan; 2 M McKernan, 3 R McNamee, 4 HP McGeary; 5 T McCann (0-1), 6 P Hampsey, 12 K McGeary; 8 M Donnelly (0-1), 10 C McCann; 15 C McAlliskey (0-1, free), 11 N Sludden, 9 P McNulty; 13 D McCurry (0-1), 7 P Harte (0-2, both frees), 14 C McShane (0-1).

Substitutes: 17 M Bradley for 3 R McNamee (21 mins), 26 R O'Neill (0-1) for 15 C McAlliskey (46), 23 D McClure for 9 P McNulty (47), 25 R McNabb or 12 K McGeary (50), 22 R Donnelly for 10 C McCann (56), 18 L Brennan for 11 N Sludden (66).

Referee: C Branagan (Down).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2018, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 29, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
I think we're possibly over-reacting a bit about yesterday. For those that went and expected some kind of swash-buckling display, it aint gonna happen. Our defenders can't go man to man. Kerry last year showed this. We went man to man and got cleaned out. Our best defender McNabb is on the bench and probably won't start again. If the Dubs are the benchmark, then we should be basing our team at them and we don't. Go through our team and we don't match up individually, either skill wise or size wise. Someone mentions Mattie Donnelly and not being a leader, I take issue with that, he led his club from beaten finalists in the Intermediate final to relatively comfortable senior winners. There's possibly no greater leader in Ireland at the minute, but if those around him don't have the balls to follow him then thats not his fault. And he had a bad match yday, I acknowledge that. I just feel that our system is as a result of our relative poor backline. Consider how many CLUB forwards in Tyrone are genuinely worried or hesitant about matching up with any of our defence in a club or league game? There's none. None of our defence has that aura or hardness about them and thats what missing. Mickey Harte is right, he's not in the entertainment business, he's in the results and I expect he see's this himself and the system gives him his best chance. He gave a real god interview in the Irish Times over the weekend and it's probably his best in a while but he finishes by asking is it fair to judge this group by what went before them, instead judge them on their own merits. Is two Ulster championships the optimum they can achieve?

That's huge praise on Donnelly. He's a great player but to say he's up there with the best leaders in Ireland right now is just wrong. He wouldn't be nowhere near as influential as half a dozen of the Dubs and Mayo players and therein lies the problem. It doesn't really matter who has the armband, it's about who steps up when the team needs it and Tyrone don't have those 'characters' that they had in the 00s which to be fair you alluded to in the above text also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 29, 2018, 06:06:38 PM
Mickey and Sean were saying last year that it was the strongest panel they were involved with. I thought that was very strange to say as in my opinion there are not too many would challenge for a place in the naughties teams.
It will be interesting to see what approach is taken on Saturday night. Will they try and take Dublin on or play to keep the score down......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on January 29, 2018, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
Re Mattie being a leader. I too am ONLY talking about what I see of him in the county jersey. He's already won 2 allstars which he deserved imo but to me a leader on the sports pitch is someone who stands up when things aren't going your way and can drag your team out of a slump and raise them.
Yes its easy to say we should stop comparing this team to the 2000s team but that's our main benchmark and there were a lot of leaders on those teams.
Dooher was probably the best team captain and leader we ever had though I am biased of course. I mean he was constantly demanding more from his team but he showed them how as well and not just talk the talk.
Did we see Mattie yesterday trying to raise his team mates and giving them a kick in the arse. Does anyone speak on the team.

The realdonald I'm glad you at least replied to some of our comments and actually discussed them rather than the easy option where some say "Ahh you're just an anti Harte person or you're being biased", however I dont think you will get too many to agree with you that Mattie is the best leader in Ireland at the moment. Did you see Brian Fenton on Sat night scoring 1.03 and showing that even though he's already won 2 all irelands he's keen as mustard?

I think too many on here won't even admit when there is a poor display and discuss why it was so bad.
There is no doubt it was a flat performance yesterday and we looked like the team with half our team missing and no idea about how to create scoring chances. It's bad when you are depending on Tiernan and Peter Harte to be your main scoring threats.

Here is the Irish times report from the game yesterday
Mickey says....
"We had three scores from 10 attempts and that is not going to win a lot of games. If we had have been better in that department we could have slipped ahead at half-time. For the first 10-12 minutes we were flat but after that I thought we put up a brave battle."

Does he think 10 attempts is good enough against a team who have just got promoted and are missing most of their first 15?


Galway 1-9 Tyrone 0-8

There is always the danger of the newbies to Division One suffering from altitude sickness on their first day out, so the signs were encouraging for Galway on Sunday.

In their first top-flight league match since 2011, they looked comfortable. One local fan walking his son through the general greyness and drizzle gave a walking education on just where Galway stood in the greater things. "Apart from Kerry and Dublin, Galway have won more All-Irelands . . . "

In the city, Galway's All-Ireland hurling champions were entertaining the crowd. But in Tuam's stadium, where it always feels as if it's around 1965, Galway football remains king.

Boosted by a brilliant goal after 22 seconds and then a point from captain Damien Comer, the home team had both the know-how and the appetite for the necessary January sludge-work to enjoy a heartening win.

They held the Ulster champions to 0-3 in the first half and coughed up no clear goal chances over the match. Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh gobbled up any high ball that came his way and looked at home at full back, Shane Walsh glided across the squelchy surface and Comer has, over the past two seasons, become a hugely influential force on this team. He really is a sight when he goes at defences at full speed and has the vision and touch to make use of the space he clears through pure strength.

Elsewhere, Eamonn Brannigan kicked two nice points from play and Peter Cooke had good moments – including winning the throw-in which set the move in motion for the Comer goal.

Galway's Peter Cooke challenges Matthew Donnelly of Tyrone during the Allianz League Division One game at Tuam Stadium. Photograph: Bryan Keane/Inpho
Galway's Peter Cooke challenges Matthew Donnelly of Tyrone during the Allianz League Division One game at Tuam Stadium. Photograph: Bryan Keane/Inpho
But the win wasn't quite as emphatic as it might have been: after Shane Walsh kicked his obligatory sublime point in the 54th minute, Galway led by 1-7 to 0-4. They had enjoyed a one-man advantage since the 23rd minute and with that score, the game looked beyond the Ulster champions.

Instead, Kevin Walsh's team had to play and think their way through a concerted Tyrone push for in the final quarter, when seasoned players like Tiernan McCann, Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte began to punch holes in the Galway defence to reel off four quick points to leave just two between the teams.

Niall Sludden clipped a shot off the post during that period, as the old stadium fell ominously quiet. A clever steal – or, from Tyrone's perspective, a loose pass – gave Gareth Bradshaw clear ground to thunder through and lay the ball off for the reliable Comer to ease the pressure on his team with a well-taken point. After that, Galway pulled clear again but a needless and tetchy six minutes of added time saw a series of squabbles which resulted in two further Tyrone men, Michael McKernan and Harte, leaving the field on black cards.

"It was a great start but in fairness when teams get a start like that they can go on the back foot and start defending," Walsh said.

"Our boys didn't do that. Something we have been trying to push is that we go forward as much as possible. Sometimes we have been criticised for that but for the style of Galway football it is important we bring the game to opponents and there was a lot of that today."

Walsh made one late change, inserting Adrian Varley to the starting line-up and leaving him isolated at inside full forward against Ronan McNamee. Galway sought to play him early and often and the exchanges became sufficiently intense to persuade Harte to mix things up, withdrawing his full back early.

"There was just too much aggression between him and his man and someone was going to lose the plot there," said the Tyrone manager. "It was to save being down a man. And suddenly we were down a man anyway! That game was volatile at times and you could have lost players very easily."

So technically, Tyrone finished with 12 men on a day when little went right. Like the crowd still filtering through the turnstile, they seemed stunned by Comer's early goal and were in a different gear for the first 15 minutes.

Given the rottenness of the day, the jig seemed up when they lost Darren McCurry, who responded to a late challenge as he kicked a badly needed point for the visitors and was shown a red.

The pitch was soft and a veil of drizzle moved across field and Tyrone's slick handling and inter-play fell apart too often, with passes mis-timed and players slipping. And yet for all that, they hung around in the match. "In the second half of the first half we played a lot of good football but couldn't take our scoring chances," Harte said reasonably.

"We had three scores from 10 attempts and that is not going to win a lot of games. If we had have been better in that department we could have slipped ahead at half-time. For the first 10-12 minutes we were flat but after that I thought we put up a brave battle."

It was a gritty last quarter performance on a day that Tyrone might have decided was not for them. Had they managed to squeeze the scoreboard by another point in that last 10 minutes, then they might have taken something from the day. Instead, they headed back up the road thinking about a Saturday night visit by All-Ireland champions Dublin. Omagh should be lively that night.

GALWAY: 1 R Lavelle; 2 D Kyne, 3 S A O'Ceallaigh, 4 E Kerin; 5 C Sweeney, 6 G Bradshaw, 7 J Heaney; 8 P Conroy, 9 P Cooke; 10 S Kelly, 11 S Walsh (0-4, three frees), 12 E Brannigan (0-2); 13 P Sweeney (0-1), 25 A Varley, 14 D Comer (1-2).


Substitutes: 18 P Cunningham for 25 A Varley (55 mins), 23 T Flynn for 13 P Sweeney (60), 20 J Duane for 10 S Kelly (65), 24 G O'Donnell for 12 E Brannigan (70), 17 S Armstrong for 11 S Walsh (73).

TYRONE: 1 N Morgan; 2 M McKernan, 3 R McNamee, 4 HP McGeary; 5 T McCann (0-1), 6 P Hampsey, 12 K McGeary; 8 M Donnelly (0-1), 10 C McCann; 15 C McAlliskey (0-1, free), 11 N Sludden, 9 P McNulty; 13 D McCurry (0-1), 7 P Harte (0-2, both frees), 14 C McShane (0-1).

Substitutes: 17 M Bradley for 3 R McNamee (21 mins), 26 R O'Neill (0-1) for 15 C McAlliskey (46), 23 D McClure for 9 P McNulty (47), 25 R McNabb or 12 K McGeary (50), 22 R Donnelly for 10 C McCann (56), 18 L Brennan for 11 N Sludden (66).

Referee: C Branagan (Down).

If you're ant-Harte or pro-Harte it shouldn't make a difference. If a performance isn't good enough then it isn't good enough. I was at the game, and while I think McNamee is hugley over-rated, he was taken off very prematurely. I don't agree with what you're saying about Donnelly, captaining and leading Trillick to that Championship would significantly outstrip, leading Tyrone to the All Ireland in terms of achievement. Go through our team from 2-15, who genuinely instills fear or worry in another team in a physical sense? From 2-7 is worse than in the forwards as save for Hampsey, not one of our defenders are hard or nasty enough to win personal battles. That's where it's lost for me. If Harte can't trust his defenders 1 on 1 each day, then why are they there? I personally was disappointed to see SoN join the management team, as I feel we have flair forwards who can play and score, but having to run up and down the field all day and then kick points after a lung bursting effort isn't going to happen. I would have preferred to have seen some of our numerous All-Star defenders join the fray and tighten up our defence without the need for extra bodies than more forward training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 29, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
we dont have leaders on the pitch because mickey wouldnt allow it. he is a control freak. his way or no way. imagine a tyrone player actually did show some inititave and went against mickeys system, hed never see a jersey again. how did the new jerseys look anyway? imagine having to pay money to sponsor that shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 29, 2018, 07:05:54 PM
Roll on Saturday night. Players will respond, that's a fact. Great lads and I wouldn't be to sore on them.  It's probably no secret but if we are to win any game we can't concede a goal within 20 seconds.
Fuzzman please go to the game. Don't listen to the most pessimistic Tyrone person ever in the TRAP. Next thing you will be refering to Tyrone as them and not us
Listen if you have played the game then you will know that these performances come around every now and again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 29, 2018, 07:37:51 PM
Wise up redbone. I have just been a realist for a while and now others, a lot of others are catching up. Obviously you are not there yet and that's fine. I guess a real supporter can put up with anything and I will give you that......you are a real supporter.
I was once like that but now maybe a combination of things mean that I have different priorities.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 29, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Clutching at straws here but is there any chance that we could possibly be working on something different in training and it may take a few defeats and a couple of bad performances until we get it right? After all, we have been programmed to play a certain way for a long time now and any change will not come easy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jp2020 on January 29, 2018, 08:55:11 PM
Couple of simple observations:
The weather wasnt great and neither was the pitch;
We played with 14men;
No Colm Cav;
McAliskey not fully match sharp;

Now taking this into account no shock we didnt win.

BUT  the simple fact is we are poor to watch! By this time every year we have the Mckenna Cup in the trophy cabinet and that lulls everyone into great sense that this year is  the year and Mickey is thee man! At what stage do those burying their heads pull them out! Tomas Ose got right last night, let the lads play! If we are to get beat at least have a go!

All that said i believe we could beat the dubs in the swamp! And Mickey will get 10yr extension!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 29, 2018, 09:38:45 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on January 29, 2018, 08:55:11 PM
Couple of simple observations:
The weather wasnt great and neither was the pitch;
We played with 14men;
No Colm Cav;
McAliskey not fully match sharp;

Now taking this into account no shock we didnt win.

BUT  the simple fact is we are poor to watch! By this time every year we have the Mckenna Cup in the trophy cabinet and that lulls everyone into great sense that this year is  the year and Mickey is thee man! At what stage do those burying their heads pull them out! Tomas Ose got right last night, let the lads play! If we are to get beat at least have a go!

All that said i believe we could beat the dubs in the swamp! And Mickey will get 10yr extension!!

The Weather was the same for Galway who ran over the top of our boys
Galway are only promoted
And they played with only half of their starting team
Tyrone were missing 1 Man ffs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 29, 2018, 09:47:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Clutching at straws here but is there any chance that we could possibly be working on something different in training and it may take a few defeats and a couple of bad performances until we get it right? After all, we have been programmed to play a certain way for a long time now and any change will not come easy.

Stop speaking perfect sense will you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on January 29, 2018, 10:16:39 PM
lets be rational here. tyrone will win ulster playing ultra conservatively as only maybe donegal have enough firepower fromlongrange to foil the master and his wee conservative crew.thats as good as it gets. now realistically thats a good season with a 47th mckenna in a row to boot. so suck it up and get on with it shite football or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 29, 2018, 10:43:33 PM
In other words Ulster foorball is rubbish
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 29, 2018, 10:58:38 PM
Swings and roundabouts folks. We were flying in the early stages of the league last year and the fell apart..I'd be happy enough if we stayed in Div 1, ending up with a settled 15 and a bit more adventure in our play.

It's a long year, no need to panic yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on January 30, 2018, 06:28:44 AM
Just seen mccurrys sending off.  Seemed very harsh.  Saturday nights match takes on more significance now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 30, 2018, 08:28:23 AM
Sean Cavanagh should be renamed Jesus Christ - runs about constantly with his arms outstretched, and has done for years!
As for Tyrone -  We are in for another year of it! MH obviously wont let SO'N have any influence (well I hope that's whats happening!)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 30, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Clutching at straws here but is there any chance that we could possibly be working on something different in training and it may take a few defeats and a couple of bad performances until we get it right? After all, we have been programmed to play a certain way for a long time now and any change will not come easy.
I am hoping that is the case but it will be very difficult to get he balance between giving the defenders responsibility and not exposing them to a roasting. This Saturday has to be our benchmark.

Which 6 defenders would you trust to go man to man on the Dublin forward line?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 30, 2018, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 30, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Clutching at straws here but is there any chance that we could possibly be working on something different in training and it may take a few defeats and a couple of bad performances until we get it right? After all, we have been programmed to play a certain way for a long time now and any change will not come easy.
I am hoping that is the case but it will be very difficult to get he balance between giving the defenders responsibility and not exposing them to a roasting. This Saturday has to be our benchmark.

Which 6 defenders would you trust to go man to man on the Dublin forward line?

I'd probably go with some of the new lads and give them the opportunity to prove whether they are up to it or not - Full back line of McKernan, Hampsey and Cassidy with T McCann, R Brennan (to follow Kilkenny) and possibly HP McGeary. We'd know a fair bit about those lads by 9pm on Saturday evening, though we do run the risk of giving them future nightmares. I would still pull a few men back to support but leave at least 4 in our attacking half - possibly Harte, Sludden, Bradley and maybe McShane. Meyler for me could do a Kilkenny role if given enough game time to develop into the position.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 30, 2018, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 29, 2018, 10:58:38 PM
Swings and roundabouts folks. We were flying in the early stages of the league last year and the fell apart..I'd be happy enough if we stayed in Div 1, ending up with a settled 15 and a bit more adventure in our play.

It's a long year, no need to panic yet.

I think its gonna be a very long year indeed so when do you start panicking then TM?
Do you not think we've been at this level now for too long?
I get it that we don't have the players we used to but is the a bigger reason for that?
Is this style of football not not embedded in the Tyrone club scene and youth teams and so we are no longer putting emphasis on attacking play and expressing yourself like players like Canavan, S.ONeill, McGuigans etc.
We are encouraging players to focus more on running and playing the percentages.
Phrases like transition, recycling, possession are now held in higher regards than flair, individualism and skill.

Kerry are still producing players like Clifford, O'Donoghue and Geaney as are the Dubs and we continue playing half backs and half forwards all together as if its the same position and we're told there are no positions any more.

It's plain and simple for me and those who can open their own eyes and not be easily influenced by others that winning ugly is not all its cracked up to be and whilst Tyrone are well capable of winning 3 Ulsters in a row this year, there is just something missing. My kids U11 games should NOT be FAR more entertaining that an intercounty game where the guys are almost professional at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 30, 2018, 12:01:02 PM
Sean Cavanagh now saying Tyrone players were "slave to a system" last year. Can no-one speak up before they leave the squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 30, 2018, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 30, 2018, 12:01:02 PM
Sean Cavanagh now saying Tyrone players were "slave to a system" last year. Can no-one speak up before they leave the squad?

Every man and his dog knows Mickey operates a dictatorship within the camp, it's his way or the highway. Ask Roisin Jordan. If a player steps out of line there gone, or at least that's the perception. I'd love to see that tested. 1 of our key men give an RTE interview for example or miss prayers before games just to see what the punishment is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 30, 2018, 12:28:58 PM
Sure Moy play the exact same system!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 30, 2018, 12:43:41 PM
Explains why theyre in Intermediate football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 30, 2018, 01:06:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 30, 2018, 12:43:41 PM
Explains why theyre in Intermediate football

They're literally at the highest possible level they can be within intermediate football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 30, 2018, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 30, 2018, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 29, 2018, 10:58:38 PM
Swings and roundabouts folks. We were flying in the early stages of the league last year and the fell apart..I'd be happy enough if we stayed in Div 1, ending up with a settled 15 and a bit more adventure in our play.

It's a long year, no need to panic yet.

I think its gonna be a very long year indeed so when do you start panicking then TM?
Do you not think we've been at this level now for too long?
I get it that we don't have the players we used to but is the a bigger reason for that?
Is this style of football not not embedded in the Tyrone club scene and youth teams and so we are no longer putting emphasis on attacking play and expressing yourself like players like Canavan, S.ONeill, McGuigans etc.
We are encouraging players to focus more on running and playing the percentages.
Phrases like transition, recycling, possession are now held in higher regards than flair, individualism and skill.

Kerry are still producing players like Clifford, O'Donoghue and Geaney as are the Dubs and we continue playing half backs and half forwards all together as if its the same position and we're told there are no positions any more.

It's plain and simple for me and those who can open their own eyes and not be easily influenced by others that winning ugly is not all its cracked up to be and whilst Tyrone are well capable of winning 3 Ulsters in a row this year, there is just something missing. My kids U11 games should NOT be FAR more entertaining that an intercounty game where the guys are almost professional at this stage.

I get where you are coming from alright, what was I trying to say (maybe poorly) is that I'm hopeful the addition of SoN combined with the clear fact that last years set up wansn't good enough for the top table, represents an intention to playing more attacking football.

I also think it's far too early to tell if that is the case yet as any transition from the old ultra defensive set up will take a few months work on and it will probably be the UC before we see the end product.

If we are still being served up the same diet as before come May/June then yes - absolutely - time to worry.




Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 30, 2018, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 30, 2018, 01:06:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 30, 2018, 12:43:41 PM
Explains why theyre in Intermediate football

They're literally at the highest possible level they can be within intermediate football.

they are and expect to see them drive on from there... no more relegation with that squad of players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reddgnhand on January 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 30, 2018, 04:33:21 PM
Even Mick O'Dwyer knew there was a time to go and afterwards said he should have realised sooner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 30, 2018, 04:52:45 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on January 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

This is the exact question I've been asking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Sunday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before).
We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). Before that game, everyone was raving about Tyrone's counter attacking play.  People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths.
Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say.
People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine...personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score.
Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam? 3 semi finals in the last 5 years with 2 ulster titles is probably about right for the current group of players, considering the presence of the current Dublin team and a Mayo team who aren't far behind.
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 30, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Sunday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before).
We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). Before that game, everyone was raving about Tyrone's counter attacking play.  People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths.
Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say.
People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine…personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score.
Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam? 3 semi finals in the last 5 years with 2 ulster titles is probably about right for the current group of players, considering the presence of the current Dublin team and a Mayo team who aren't far behind.
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3.

Who in the name of God are these elite forwards that Mayo have ??

This is the latest drivel being pedalled on this thread. Cillian O Connor is not an elite forward, Andy Moran is not an elite forward. If they played for Tyrone we would have Mickey’s disciples telling us all that we don’t have elite forwards. You tell us that Tyrone are only unwatchable because the media tell us so.....

Unbelievable

I expect this sh1t from bomber and Redzone and  Redhand Santa but now we have another, (or maybe just another account from one of the above)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 30, 2018, 06:10:09 PM
Andy Moran is an exceptional forward. I suggest you research the Mayo campaign last summer. Also id rather have O Connor hitting frees over any of our ones.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 30, 2018, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on January 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 30, 2018, 06:13:14 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 30, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Sunday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before).
We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). Before that game, everyone was raving about Tyrone's counter attacking play.  People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths.
Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say.
People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine...personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score.
Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam? 3 semi finals in the last 5 years with 2 ulster titles is probably about right for the current group of players, considering the presence of the current Dublin team and a Mayo team who aren't far behind.
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3.

Who in the name of God are these elite forwards that Mayo have ??

This is the latest drivel being pedalled on this thread. Cillian O Connor is not an elite forward, Andy Moran is not an elite forward. If they played for Tyrone we would have Mickey's disciples telling us all that we don't have elite forwards. You tell us that Tyrone are only unwatchable because the media tell us so.....

Unbelievable

I expect this sh1t from bomber and Redzone and  Redhand Santa but now we have another, (or maybe just another account from one of the above)
Hard to believe u don't think Andy Moran is a top forward. POTY. O Connor as well. What he hits from frees makes him top class.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 30, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 30, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Sunday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before).
We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). Before that game, everyone was raving about Tyrone's counter attacking play.  People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths.
Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say.
People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine...personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score.
Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam? 3 semi finals in the last 5 years with 2 ulster titles is probably about right for the current group of players, considering the presence of the current Dublin team and a Mayo team who aren't far behind.
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3.

Who in the name of God are these elite forwards that Mayo have ??

This is the latest drivel being pedalled on this thread. Cillian O Connor is not an elite forward, Andy Moran is not an elite forward. If they played for Tyrone we would have Mickey's disciples telling us all that we don't have elite forwards. You tell us that Tyrone are only unwatchable because the media tell us so.....

Unbelievable

I expect this sh1t from bomber and Redzone and  Redhand Santa but now we have another, (or maybe just another account from one of the above)

Massively wrong. Both start for any other county in Ireland. Moran is probably one of the greatest players in modern times.

I'd say Jason Doherty and Aiden O'Shea also start for Tyrone as a point of fact.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 30, 2018, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 30, 2018, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on January 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riches fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.

Thought that myself. I know not too long ago they were huge occasions. Seems nothing will please the anti-harte brigade.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 30, 2018, 06:47:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 30, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 30, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Sunday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before).
We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). Before that game, everyone was raving about Tyrone's counter attacking play.  People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths.
Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say.
People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine...personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score.
Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam? 3 semi finals in the last 5 years with 2 ulster titles is probably about right for the current group of players, considering the presence of the current Dublin team and a Mayo team who aren't far behind.
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3.

Who in the name of God are these elite forwards that Mayo have ??

This is the latest drivel being pedalled on this thread. Cillian O Connor is not an elite forward, Andy Moran is not an elite forward. If they played for Tyrone we would have Mickey's disciples telling us all that we don't have elite forwards. You tell us that Tyrone are only unwatchable because the media tell us so.....

Unbelievable

I expect this sh1t from bomber and Redzone and  Redhand Santa but now we have another, (or maybe just another account from one of the above)

Massively wrong. Both start for any other county in Ireland. Moran is probably one of the greatest players in modern times.

I'd say Jason Doherty and Aiden O'Shea also start for Tyrone as a point of fact.
As stupid a statement as it is it will never beat the time u asked were dinky mcbride was from despite u being an omagh man. U were well christened
Time to go with Lee Brennan, for the frees if nothing else. Thats aboulstely killing us.
I wonder did it backfire on Harte on Sunday. Both Bradley and Rory Brennan should be on, but both were left on the bench. Mattie back to 6 and bear to 3.mcnamme and Brennan in the corners.pete and mccann 5+7.no 8 McClure and 9 -----10. Meyler 11. Sludden 12. Burns 13. Brennan 14---- 15 Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 07:26:54 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 30, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Sunday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before).
We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). Before that game, everyone was raving about Tyrone's counter attacking play.  People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths.
Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say.
People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine...personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score.
Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam? 3 semi finals in the last 5 years with 2 ulster titles is probably about right for the current group of players, considering the presence of the current Dublin team and a Mayo team who aren't far behind.
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3.

Who in the name of God are these elite forwards that Mayo have ??

This is the latest drivel being pedalled on this thread. Cillian O Connor is not an elite forward, Andy Moran is not an elite forward. If they played for Tyrone we would have Mickey's disciples telling us all that we don't have elite forwards. You tell us that Tyrone are only unwatchable because the media tell us so.....

Unbelievable

I expect this sh1t from bomber and Redzone and  Redhand Santa but now we have another, (or maybe just another account from one of the above)

How can you say o Connor isn't an elite forward? He has finished top scorer in the championship 4 times i think? Kicked 7 points out of mayos 13 when they beat us in 2016 QF! He kicked 5 in their league win over us last year. We had no one even close to those numbers. We also don't have a forward who would do what he did to level the 2016 AIF either
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 08:00:35 PM
whilst i agree that cillian o connor and andy moran are top forwards, how would they fair if they were dropped into the tyrone team? my guess is that they are top forwards because they get the right ball kicked into them and they do the rest. that in itself breeds confidence in a forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 30, 2018, 08:02:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 08:00:35 PM
whilst i agree that cillian o connor and andy moran are top forwards, how would they fair if they were dropped into the tyrone team? my guess is that they are top forwards because they get the right ball kicked into them and they do the rest. that in itself breeds confidence in a forward.

they'd be dropped back into their own half if they were with Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on January 30, 2018, 08:02:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 08:00:35 PM
whilst i agree that cillian o connor and andy moran are top forwards, how would they fair if they were dropped into the tyrone team? my guess is that they are top forwards because they get the right ball kicked into them and they do the rest. that in itself breeds confidence in a forward.

they'd be dropped back into their own half if they were with Tyrone

Elite players make it happen regardless of the system. Paddy mcbrearty, colm McFadden and Michael Murphy were all able to shine as brilliant forwards whilst playing for Donegal under Jim McGuinness. A team that many people say were one of the most defensive of all time.

I think colm McFadden even finished as top scorer in the championship in that period.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 08:23:42 PM
yes bgal10, but for all their defensiveness, donegal used the kick pass very well. remember karl laceys pass into murphy for the goal in 2012 final? to be honest weve just become a piss poor imitation of that donegal team. mickey harte is no mc guiness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 08:23:42 PM
yes bgal10, but for all their defensiveness, donegal used the kick pass very well. remember karl laceys pass into murphy for the goal in 2012 final? to be honest weve just become a piss poor imitation of that donegal team. mickey harte is no mc guiness.

A good ball yes but Murphy still had to rise and catch above the defender and then turn and fire it to the roof of the net....if we put that ball into our forward line, i really don't see the same outcome.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 09:01:57 PM
obviously that wouldnt work with mark bradley or mc curry. but i bet if the likes of mattie donnelly got a few balls like that into him on the edge of the square he could do the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 09:06:59 PM
and if u watch mayo, u dont see them pump high ball into andy moran, alway threaded passes just at the right height for him to come onto. this doesnt happen by chance, its worked on tirelessly at training with mc entee from crossmaglen showing them how to get it right. how much work are we doing on this aspect of our game at training?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 30, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 09:06:59 PM
and if u watch mayo, u dont see them pump high ball into andy moran, alway threaded passes just at the right height for him to come onto. this doesnt happen by chance, its worked on tirelessly at training with mc entee from crossmaglen showing them how to get it right. how much work are we doing on this aspect of our game at training?

Mayo are a very physically imposing side though.

Looking at the profiles in the match programme last year for the semi-final with Dublin, most of our players were a stone and a half lighter and a couple of inches shorter than their Dublin counterparts. We lack that natural size and I think some of our lads look like they're blown up and overcompensating for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 30, 2018, 11:00:52 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 30, 2018, 06:47:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 30, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 30, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on January 30, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
Standard over the top negativity from tyrone fans as usual. Sunday was a poor performance but it happens. Fact of the matter is, we are probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country and are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something which no tyrone team has ever achieved before).
We got beaten by a superior Dublin team in the All Ireland semi-final last year (a team that some say is the best ever). Before that game, everyone was raving about Tyrone's counter attacking play.  People can keep harping on about the negative football and lack of free flowing forward play. The basic fact is, we don't have those elite inside forwards that Dublin, Mayo and Kerry possess. We don't have a Cillian O'Connor, a Paul Geaney or any 1 of the numerous Dublin forwards. Do people think if we still had Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan, Owen Mulligan all available that we would still be playing the same system we do now? You have to play to your strengths.
Also, the idea of Tyrone having this unwatchable system of football is something that has been originated by the media and jumped on by the majority of the public. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say.
People can say that the forwards aren't getting a chance to shine…personally I think this is nonsense. The elite players will always find a way to score.
Do the people on here seriously think that if Mickey had stepped aside, we would have beaten Dublin last year? Or if he stepped aside now, we would go one better than last year and win Sam? 3 semi finals in the last 5 years with 2 ulster titles is probably about right for the current group of players, considering the presence of the current Dublin team and a Mayo team who aren't far behind.
We are what we are and that is a very good team who are probably a couple of elite forwards away from properly challenging the top 3.

Who in the name of God are these elite forwards that Mayo have ??

This is the latest drivel being pedalled on this thread. Cillian O Connor is not an elite forward, Andy Moran is not an elite forward. If they played for Tyrone we would have Mickey’s disciples telling us all that we don’t have elite forwards. You tell us that Tyrone are only unwatchable because the media tell us so.....

Unbelievable

I expect this sh1t from bomber and Redzone and  Redhand Santa but now we have another, (or maybe just another account from one of the above)

Massively wrong. Both start for any other county in Ireland. Moran is probably one of the greatest players in modern times.

I'd say Jason Doherty and Aiden O'Shea also start for Tyrone as a point of fact.
As stupid a statement as it is it will never beat the time u asked were dinky mcbride was from despite u being an omagh man. U were well christened
Time to go with Lee Brennan, for the frees if nothing else. Thats aboulstely killing us.
I wonder did it backfire on Harte on Sunday. Both Bradley and Rory Brennan should be on, but both were left on the bench. Mattie back to 6 and bear to 3.mcnamme and Brennan in the corners.pete and mccann 5+7.no 8 McClure and 9 -----10. Meyler 11. Sludden 12. Burns 13. Brennan 14---- 15 Bradley

Do me huge favour and show me where I asked where dinky mc bride was from ? You are an ass. If Cillian O Connor was from Tyrone he would only be on because of his free taking. you are more to be pitied than scorned
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 30, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 09:06:59 PM
and if u watch mayo, u dont see them pump high ball into andy moran, alway threaded passes just at the right height for him to come onto. this doesnt happen by chance, its worked on tirelessly at training with mc entee from crossmaglen showing them how to get it right. how much work are we doing on this aspect of our game at training?

Mayo are a very physically imposing side though.

Looking at the profiles in the match programme last year for the semi-final with Dublin, most of our players were a stone and a half lighter and a couple of inches shorter than their Dublin counterparts. We lack that natural size and I think some of our lads look like they're blown up and overcompensating for it.
im not sure what being physically imposing has to do with kicking a ball accurate? is andy moran any more physically imposing than some of our lads? sometimes brain can beat brawn you know. andy moran only 5'10 and weight just over 13 stone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 30, 2018, 11:33:54 PM
Or the time u couldn't understand why Kieran Kennedy was in the picture of new Tyrone jersey. 😂😂😂
Aboulstey clueless.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 12:48:30 AM
Quote from: redzone on January 30, 2018, 11:33:54 PM
Or the time u couldn't understand why Kieran Kennedy was in the picture of new Tyrone jersey.
Aboulstey clueless.



Aboulstey

Again... pitied not scorned
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 31, 2018, 07:13:51 AM
Dublin 8/15
Tyrone 15/8
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 31, 2018, 09:53:46 AM
We're gonna ambush them. I can feel it in my water.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2018, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 30, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 09:06:59 PM
and if u watch mayo, u dont see them pump high ball into andy moran, alway threaded passes just at the right height for him to come onto. this doesnt happen by chance, its worked on tirelessly at training with mc entee from crossmaglen showing them how to get it right. how much work are we doing on this aspect of our game at training?

Mayo are a very physically imposing side though.

Looking at the profiles in the match programme last year for the semi-final with Dublin, most of our players were a stone and a half lighter and a couple of inches shorter than their Dublin counterparts. We lack that natural size and I think some of our lads look like they're blown up and overcompensating for it.

Mayo lads are beasts. They've got their Durcans/Dohertys/Diarmuid O'Connors to do the running around the middle, but by and large, the rest are 13 stone 6ft and up and all power and look it naturally. Just look at their backline, everyone you could go to war with - I don't see that in Tyrone/Kerry backlines and it shows in the big games.

Tom Parsons is a hugely underrated player also for them, he's the type of fella can stand with the Fentons and Coopers in midfield and give them all they want. Tyrone simply don't have that, Colm Cavanagh is capable of it in bursts but either he/Mickey Harte play with the handbrake on - Cavanagh is also very quickly coming to the end, as a fielder he's pretty much at the top of the tree but in the open field of Croke he doesn't have it in his legs.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 11:09:28 AM
Think I read somewhere that 2 of mayo's best defenders are only 5'10 so not exactly giants. But crucially they have a mental aggression that more than makes up for lack of size. But then their manager gives them they freedom they need to do their thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 31, 2018, 11:23:37 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 11:09:28 AM
Think I read somewhere that 2 of mayo's best defenders are only 5'10 so not exactly giants. But crucially they have a mental aggression that more than makes up for lack of size. But then their manager gives them they freedom they need to do their thing.

Higgins and Boyle presumably. Higgins has or did have pace to burn and will down as one of the best defenders of his era. Boyle is small but a very hardy and tough competitors.

I think the issue is that those lads are naturally powerful whereas our lads just look blown up. I think it's a reaction to us trying to over-compensate for not having enough natural big men in our side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 11:51:47 AM
Lee Keegan only 5'11. It not the size of the man in the fight, its the size of the fight in the man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 31, 2018, 01:29:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 11:51:47 AM
Lee Keegan only 5'11. It not the size of the man in the fight, its the size of the fight in the man.

Lee Keegan has natural power and speed. We have plenty of good footballers with very good skills but are lacking the natural physicality needed for today's game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 31, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
What has happened in the last 6 months? Last August we were the fittest team in the land, had the best man at S&C, the best panel the county ever had......now we are too small, not doing the right training, have no backs, no forwards, one midfielder and a goalie........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2018, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 11:51:47 AM
Lee Keegan only 5'11. It not the size of the man in the fight, its the size of the fight in the man.

Crucially he's about 13.5st and built like a Rugby League player, with the athleticism to boot and he's got the nastiness in him that all winners have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 02:20:56 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 31, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
What has happened in the last 6 months? Last August we were the fittest team in the land, had the best man at S&C, the best panel the county ever had......now we are too small, not doing the right training, have no backs, no forwards, one midfielder and a goalie........
;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2018, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 11:51:47 AM
Lee Keegan only 5'11. It not the size of the man in the fight, its the size of the fight in the man.

Crucially he's about 13.5st and built like a Rugby League player, with the athleticism to boot and he's got the nastiness in him that all winners have.
yeah but the most important thing he has is the ability to kick points and goals when he gets the chance. You don't learn that in the gym.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 31, 2018, 02:51:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2018, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 11:51:47 AM
Lee Keegan only 5'11. It not the size of the man in the fight, its the size of the fight in the man.

Crucially he's about 13.5st and built like a Rugby League player, with the athleticism to boot and he's got the nastiness in him that all winners have.
yeah but the most important thing he has is the ability to kick points and goals when he gets the chance. You don't learn that in the gym.

So does Tiernan McCann who you have slated.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 31, 2018, 02:57:01 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 31, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
What has happened in the last 6 months? Last August we were the fittest team in the land, had the best man at S&C, the best panel the county ever had......now we are too small, not doing the right training, have no backs, no forwards, one midfielder and a goalie........

I get your point, I suppose in this discussion, everyone seems to be coming from different angles on Tyrone's objectives for the year (s) ahead. Some see them as potential AI winners, some see them as kings of Ulster and see what happens, others can't abide by current systems and decisions.

In my opinion there wasn't a hope Tyrone were beating Dublin last year, I couldn't fathom how some thought they would beat them going on the league game between the two. I adopt the same reasoning right now, Tyrone need not panic over a league loss to Galway, it's largely irrelevant. Tyrone will be judged on the summer. I think they can retain Ulster personally but that will be the height of their ambitions. They have the squad and players and management to do that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 31, 2018, 03:00:46 PM
If you are coached to effectively play a zonal marking system and defend in groups of 2-3 then it wil be natural that defenders will lose the edge that being 1-on-1 with their direct opponent will give them.

It doesn't make them bad players or mean that they won't ever be able to go man to man but they need good coaching and an opportunity over a number of games to rediscover that ability.

Defending in packs also means you tend to lose personal accountability.

Talent wise this bunch of players could very well be good enough to compete v Dub/Kerr/May we just won't know until they are given more individual responsibility.

Will we win Ulster playing the same style as last year?

Maybe, although probably not if Donegal actually evolve a more attacking game (they have just as good, if not a better panel of players and certianly more marquee players)

Will we beat Dublin in Aug/Sep? No.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 03:27:55 PM
Bomber, don't be comparin tiarnan mc cann with lee Keegan. When has mc cann done it in the big games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on January 31, 2018, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!

Agree 100% and that accusation could be levelled at a few of them!

Not the same balls or will to win as that of the all Ireland winning teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 31, 2018, 04:11:05 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 31, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
What has happened in the last 6 months? Last August we were the fittest team in the land, had the best man at S&C, the best panel the county ever had......now we are too small, not doing the right training, have no backs, no forwards, one midfielder and a goalie........

was a lot of overhype winning Ulster against very poor opposition
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!
he hasn't got the balls or the football ability to cut it at the top level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 31, 2018, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!
he hasn't got the balls or the football ability to cut it at the top level.

His football ability is more than good enough. He's a regular scorer for Tyrone now after all the unjust abuse you levelled at him last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 31, 2018, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!
he hasn't got the balls or the football ability to cut it at the top level.

His football ability is more than good enough. He's a regular scorer for Tyrone now after all the unjust abuse you levelled at him last year.
what abuse? Sayin he isn't good enough for top level is not abuse. He pops up with an odd point surely when it doesn't matter but cant do it on the big days. Unlike lee Keegan who u compared him too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 31, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 31, 2018, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!
he hasn't got the balls or the football ability to cut it at the top level.

His football ability is more than good enough. He's a regular scorer for Tyrone now after all the unjust abuse you levelled at him last year.
what abuse? Sayin he isn't good enough for top level is not abuse.

You must not have watched a lot of McCann in a Tyrone jersey of late. Easily one of the top performers in the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 31, 2018, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!

Played most last years championship defeat to Dublin with a broken hand - ballsy enough as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 31, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
McCann is one of the first names on the team sheet now. One of a few (inc colm cav, harte) who are willing to drive at lines of defence with the ball now instead of going sidewards over and over. Your criticism of him southtyrone is completely uncalled for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 31, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
McCann is one of the first names on the team sheet now. One of a few (inc colm cav, harte) who are willing to drive at lines of defence with the ball now instead of going sidewards over and over. Your criticism of him southtyrone is completely uncalled for.
well I disagree but if I see him do the biz in a big game in croker ill admit I was wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 31, 2018, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 09:01:57 PM
obviously that wouldnt work with mark bradley or mc curry. but i bet if the likes of mattie donnelly got a few balls like that into him on the edge of the square he could do the same.

That's bullshit though, Mattie played at FF for a number of games last year and didn't make an impression.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 06:31:02 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 31, 2018, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 09:01:57 PM
obviously that wouldnt work with mark bradley or mc curry. but i bet if the likes of mattie donnelly got a few balls like that into him on the edge of the square he could do the same.

That's bullshit though, Mattie played at FF for a number of games last year and didn't make an impression.
eh he didnt make an impression cause nobody knew how to kick a good accurate pass into him. thats the fuckin problem man, wake up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 31, 2018, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 06:31:02 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 31, 2018, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2018, 09:01:57 PM
obviously that wouldnt work with mark bradley or mc curry. but i bet if the likes of mattie donnelly got a few balls like that into him on the edge of the square he could do the same.

That's bullshit though, Mattie played at FF for a number of games last year and didn't make an impression.
eh he didnt make an impression cause nobody knew how to kick a good accurate pass into him. thats the fuckin problem man, wake up.
Plenty a ball was kicked into him, it wasnt failure but definitely wasn't a success. You wouldn't know as u don't attend the games. Anyway the lads trained 4 times last week with only one thing on their minds,  the mighty dubs. Il chat u on Saturday night after the game fergal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 31, 2018, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 31, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
McCann is one of the first names on the team sheet now. One of a few (inc colm cav, harte) who are willing to drive at lines of defence with the ball now instead of going sidewards over and over. Your criticism of him southtyrone is completely uncalled for.
well I disagree but if I see him do the biz in a big game in croker ill admit I was wrong.

Wasn't he man of the match for the division 2 league final in 2016???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 31, 2018, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!
he hasn't got the balls or the football ability to cut it at the top level.

I'd safely say Tiarnan would have more balls than any of the faceless no marks on here who sit at their computers and slag him off. I've been incredibly impressed with how he has dealt with the whole media shit storm surrounding him after the Monaghan game a few years ago. He knuckled down, worked hard on his game and has turned himself into one of our most important players - for me that alone took plenty of balls. Yes he may not have the skill of a Lee Keegan but he's improved beyond recognition in the last few years. But I suppose if you have a bit of a tan and a different hair cut then you are leaving yourself open to these sort of comments from gulpins.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 31, 2018, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 31, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
McCann is one of the first names on the team sheet now. One of a few (inc colm cav, harte) who are willing to drive at lines of defence with the ball now instead of going sidewards over and over. Your criticism of him southtyrone is completely uncalled for.
well I disagree but if I see him do the biz in a big game in croker ill admit I was wrong.

Wasn't he man of the match for the division 2 league final in 2016???
he prob was and maybe a couple of mc kenna cup finals too but im talking about the big games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on February 01, 2018, 07:49:13 AM
Paddy McBrearty, Dean Roack, Paul Geaney
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 01, 2018, 07:58:57 AM
McBrearty Moran Geaney
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 01, 2018, 08:59:33 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 31, 2018, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 31, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!
he hasn't got the balls or the football ability to cut it at the top level.

I'd safely say Tiarnan would have more balls than any of the faceless no marks on here who sit at their computers and slag him off. I've been incredibly impressed with how he has dealt with the whole media shit storm surrounding him after the Monaghan game a few years ago. He knuckled down, worked hard on his game and has turned himself into one of our most important players - for me that alone took plenty of balls. Yes he may not have the skill of a Lee Keegan but he's improved beyond recognition in the last few years. But I suppose if you have a bit of a tan and a different hair cut then you are leaving yourself open to these sort of comments from gulpins.

Its just like 10 years ago when you were "different" for wearing white boots and actually targeting for abuse until it became the norm

T Mc Cann is a fantastic Footballer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 01, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
just read Brolly's column in Gaelic Life... did Harte really say Con O'Callaghan should have been marking back rather than scoring that goal for Dublin in the semi-final last August?  wtf!! he really believes that goal won the game... Tyrone were played off the park for 70+ minutes Mickey. Smell the coffee.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on February 01, 2018, 09:58:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
just read Brolly's column in Gaelic Life... did Harte really say Con O'Callaghan should have been marking back rather than scoring that goal for Dublin in the semi-final last August?  wtf!! he really believes that goal won the game... Tyrone were played off the park for 70+ minutes Mickey. Smell the coffee.

Yes, he did. He said he wouldn't be happy if his forward let a defender go forward and didn't track back...said he was 'dishonest'...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 01, 2018, 10:06:01 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 01, 2018, 09:58:54 AM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
just read Brolly's column in Gaelic Life... did Harte really say Con O'Callaghan should have been marking back rather than scoring that goal for Dublin in the semi-final last August?  wtf!! he really believes that goal won the game... Tyrone were played off the park for 70+ minutes Mickey. Smell the coffee.

Yes, he did. He said he wouldn't be happy if his forward let a defender go forward and didn't track back...said he was 'dishonest'...

Dishonestly buried the ball in the Tyrone net  :D  and Harte supposed to be a top coach?!  : 0
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 01, 2018, 02:13:30 PM
Paul Geaney, , Cillian O Connor,  Paddy Mc Brearty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 01, 2018, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: driveherin on January 31, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!

Hasn't got the balls? haven't you seen the clip of him diving head first into the trillick goalkeeper and two defenders in Pomeroy and comes out with the ball. Yous are the same people who will be out cheering him at the weekend when he is the only player in Tyrone capable of keeping up with the dubs. He also played second half of Dublin game with a severely broken hand which required surgery and metal plate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 01, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan. Not sure what your point is, but does anyone really think Mickey would be playing the way we do if we still had these three guys?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 01, 2018, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 01, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan. Not sure what your point is, but does anyone really think Mickey would be playing the way we do if we still had these three guys?

as Sean Cavanagh said they are slaves to a system. It aint working... let them play
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 01, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Canavan, O’Neill, Mulligan. Not sure what your point is, but does anyone really think Mickey would be playing the way we do if we still had these three guys?

What are you talking about ? Did you read my post ?  Why is it always about Mickey with you ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 01, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?

not at all
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 01, 2018, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?

not at all

when he proves himself at the highest level. In Ulster championship against Slaughtneil and in Croke Park for Tyrone has strugled.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 01, 2018, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 01, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan. Not sure what your point is, but does anyone really think Mickey would be playing the way we do if we still had these three guys?

What are you talking about ? Did you read my post ?  Why is it always about Mickey with you ?

Sorry, I thought this was a Tyrone county team thread, not a "I'm going to pick some random players and ask an inane question thread". My mistake.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 01, 2018, 08:11:44 PM
Dinky mcbride better than all of them put together. Any team news yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 08:21:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 01, 2018, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 01, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan. Not sure what your point is, but does anyone really think Mickey would be playing the way we do if we still had these three guys?

What are you talking about ? Did you read my post ?  Why is it always about Mickey with you ?

Sorry, I thought this was a Tyrone county team thread, not a "I'm going to pick some random players and ask an inane question thread". My mistake.

I'd say you make plenty of mistakes so don't be worrying yourself. You probably didn't know who the lads mentioned were anyways
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?

not at all

when he proves himself at the highest level. In Ulster championship against Slaughtneil and in Croke Park for Tyrone has strugled.
You continually criticise the way Tyrone play saying that they give good forwards no chance then you criticise Mark Bradley for struggling against 3 defenders in croke park
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 01, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
mark bradley probably had the potential to be as good as any of those named above but will never happen under the current tyrone system. id say his confidence is probably ruined for good now anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 01, 2018, 10:02:22 PM
mannion geaney and mcbrearty for me. mark bradley is decent but cant be mentioned in that bracket yet. hes not ruthless enough to be a top notch inside forward. mcmanus murphy mcbrearty mcnialis ahead of him in ulster. tyrone have more to worry about up front than mark bradley. personally id put mattie donnelly at 14 and use bradley off him. but it will be a big ask for the mickey taker to take a leap of faith and do something positive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 10:18:13 PM
mannion geaney and mc brearty for me too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 01, 2018, 10:49:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 01, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan. Not sure what your point is, but does anyone really think Mickey would be playing the way we do if we still had these three guys?

Would be fascinating to see how they would fit into the current team and would they have been able to develop into the fantastic forwards they became within a defensive system. Not convinced Mugsy for one would have been accommodated.

People say we don't have enough good forwards but I do believe the defensive system has stunted the development of some players who had great potential in attack. We also had a player in Sean Cavanagh who would have been a great focal point for our attack over the past couple of seasons and with a Bradley/O'Neill/McCurry playing up with him. We squandered the last seasons of Sean with the fundamentally flawed tactics that didn't make the most of his talent or suit a player of his age.

Suspect Mickey has a something of a credibility problem with the squad after the Dublin shambles. He brought in those young players and got them to buy into his highly detailed system and huge levels of fitness. They did, but the system was brutally exposed in Croke Park. That was no great surprise either, Tyrone never had any chance of beating Dublin playing that way. But after that Mickey had to face those players and either admit his system was flawed - and that all the work they had done had gone into something which was shown up within 5 minutes in Croke Park - or just plough on without actually confronting it. Either way, it's hard to see how the players can have the same faith in what they are doing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 01, 2018, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?

not at all

when he proves himself at the highest level. In Ulster championship against Slaughtneil and in Croke Park for Tyrone has strugled.
You continually criticise the way Tyrone play saying that they give good forwards no chance then you criticise Mark Bradley for struggling against 3 defenders in croke park

Fair point so how can you put him above those other players who have performed in Croke Park based on his performances in Tyrone club football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 01, 2018, 11:14:28 PM
interesting post LDA. will be very interesting to see will the players follow mickey blindy this year in whatever system he decides to play or will some of them jack it in? mickey under no pressure anyway as he has his 3 year contract sorted but would be a big call for any player to stand up to him. would mean no county football for at least 3 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 11:39:04 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?

not at all

when he proves himself at the highest level. In Ulster championship against Slaughtneil and in Croke Park for Tyrone has strugled.
You continually criticise the way Tyrone play saying that they give good forwards no chance then you criticise Mark Bradley for struggling against 3 defenders in croke park

Fair point so how can you put him above those other players who have performed in Croke Park based on his performances in Tyrone club football?
Yep you're right it's a leap of faith. I just think his pace and work ethic along with his obvious ability makes him a really good forward....

if he ever gets a bit of support
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 08:12:44 AM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 11:39:04 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 01, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 01, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2018, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: In hiding on January 31, 2018, 11:11:21 PM
Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?

not at all

when he proves himself at the highest level. In Ulster championship against Slaughtneil and in Croke Park for Tyrone has strugled.
You continually criticise the way Tyrone play saying that they give good forwards no chance then you criticise Mark Bradley for struggling against 3 defenders in croke park

Fair point so how can you put him above those other players who have performed in Croke Park based on his performances in Tyrone club football?
Yep you're right it's a leap of faith. I just think his pace and work ethic along with his obvious ability makes him a really good forward....

if he ever gets a bit of support

Bradley is a very talented player but too small unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 08:26:28 AM
We had 8 players in action on Wednesday, I think they all played the full match so I think we mindful of that with our selection.

I'd go with the following:

1. O'Neill
2. HP McGeary
3. Hampsey
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. McNamee
7. Harte
8. McClure
9. M Donnelly
10. R Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. Meyler
13. Bradley
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 02, 2018, 08:44:02 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 30, 2018, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on January 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.

Probably a better way of phrasing the question. When was the last time Tyrone won a game where they entered it as 2nd favourites.

I get the point you're making though. However it's important, in my opinion, that Tyrone see themselves as a 'big team' and aim accordingly. Kerry and Dublin celebrate provincial titles with a shrug. I wouldn't want Tyrone being as blase, as provincial titles should be cherished. However at the same time it has to be a minimum aim every season.

When you invest £6 million on a training complex there must be some improvement generated by that complex. Not all of this is measurable I understand. However we are not producing better players than we were 10 years ago. Indeed there's an argument that we are producing better athletes but not better players and that's detrimental.

Personally I find the football in the main part hard to watch. However IF you are performing at a really high level I can stomach that. When you're not....

On a different point. Have Tyrone moved away from releasing their weekend teams now from Thursday evenings?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 02, 2018, 08:44:02 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 30, 2018, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on January 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.

Probably a better way of phrasing the question. When was the last time Tyrone won a game where they entered it as 2nd favourites.

I get the point you're making though. However it's important, in my opinion, that Tyrone see themselves as a 'big team' and aim accordingly. Kerry and Dublin celebrate provincial titles with a shrug. I wouldn't want Tyrone being as blase, as provincial titles should be cherished. However at the same time it has to be a minimum aim every season.

When you invest £6 million on a training complex there must be some improvement generated by that complex. Not all of this is measurable I understand. However we are not producing better players than we were 10 years ago. Indeed there's an argument that we are producing better athletes but not better players and that's detrimental.

Personally I find the football in the main part hard to watch. However IF you are performing at a really high level I can stomach that. When you're not....

On a different point. Have Tyrone moved away from releasing their weekend teams now from Thursday evenings?

We were bookies outsiders against Monaghan in 2015.

Can't remember if we were favourties against Donegal in 2016 either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 02, 2018, 08:44:02 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 30, 2018, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on January 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.


When you invest £6 million on a training complex there must be some improvement generated by that complex. Not all of this is measurable I understand. However we are not producing better players than we were 10 years ago. Indeed there's an argument that we are producing better athletes but not better players and that's detrimental.


Don't agree with this.

I think the players we are currently producing are nearly as skilled as they were 10 years ago. The game has now changed, the game is all about mobility, athleticism, speed and size. Unfortunately we have too many good footballers who don't match up in the athleticism and size game. You look at the lads who people cry out for to be allowed play football - O'Neill, Brennan, McCurry etc - they're lacking in those aspects and the modern game does not suit them like it would have 10 years ago.

A lot of these lads look blown up to me trying to adapt their natural game in order to try and succeed in the modern game but I don't think it will work.

You look at someone like Michael Darragh MacAuley, a guy who is a fantastic athlete and physical presence but doesn't really resemble a footballer at times - he's a 5 time All Ireland winner now and a former footballer of the year. Every player on that Dublin team has speed, size and power, they can play football too but if you still have last year's match programme then have a look at the player profiles. They are on average nearly a stone and a couple of inches talker than the Tyrone team. Further to that we have lost two real experienced physical presences this year in Justy and Sean Cavanagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
Maybe mickey should go and bring back all the 6 footers he has fell out with like Conan grugan,shea mc guigan,mc nulty,Niall mc Kenna, coney
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:23:54 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
Maybe mickey should go and bring back all the 6 footers he has fell out with like Conan grugan,she's nc guigan,mc nulty,Niall mc Kenna, coney

Coney walked because he didn't get starting a McKenna cup (?) game. Is that someone you want? Also which mcnulty are you on about? Padraig who started in midfield last Sunday???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Dan mc nulty clonoe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on February 02, 2018, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Dan mc nulty clonoe

Saw him in 3 tyrone championship games last year against dromore, and 2 x pomeroy! he's not anywhere near close to senior county standard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 02, 2018, 01:30:27 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on February 02, 2018, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Dan mc nulty clonoe

Saw him in 3 tyrone championship games last year against dromore, and 2 x pomeroy! he's not anywhere near close to senior county standard.

Maybe it was because he played the entire championship with a back injury and also a damaged hernia, infact he did amazingly well to have played, stilled pulled out a draw for us against Pomeroy even tho he was crippled. Had to be literally carried off the field after the Dromore match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on February 02, 2018, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on February 02, 2018, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Dan mc nulty clonoe

Saw him in 3 tyrone championship games last year against dromore, and 2 x pomeroy! he's not anywhere near close to senior county standard.

Got to agree...no where near that level anytime I've seen him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I'm not sayin mc nulty is the answer just he is one of a number of bigger physical lads with football in they given the chance and the right coaching could do a job for Tyrone. Mickey abandoned them all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 02:51:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
Maybe mickey should go and bring back all the 6 footers he has fell out with like Conan grugan,shea mc guigan,mc nulty,Niall mc Kenna, coney

Grugan and Coney the only ones of that bunch who I would think may have something to offer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I'm not sayin mc nulty is the answer just he is one of a number of bigger physical lads with football in they given the chance and the right coaching could do a job for Tyrone. Mickey abandoned them all.

He's not mobile enough. You have to tick all boxes at the highest level - size, power, speed, mobility and a bit of ability.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 02, 2018, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I'm not sayin mc nulty is the answer just he is one of a number of bigger physical lads with football in they given the chance and the right coaching could do a job for Tyrone. Mickey abandoned them all.

He's not mobile enough. You have to tick all boxes at the highest level - size, power, speed, mobility and a bit of ability.

that rules out a few in the squad!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Dublin): Niall Morgan; Ciaran McLaughlin, Cathal McCarron, Hugh Pat McGeary; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey, Peter Harte; Matthew Donnelly, Declan McClure; Richard Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Lee Brennan, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Mark Bradley, Rory Brennan, Frank Burns, Conall McCann, Aidan McCrory, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNabb, Ronan McNamee, Padraig McNulty, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cassidy again. Injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 02, 2018, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I'm not sayin mc nulty is the answer just he is one of a number of bigger physical lads with football in they given the chance and the right coaching could do a job for Tyrone. Mickey abandoned them all.

He's not mobile enough. You have to tick all boxes at the highest level - size, power, speed, mobility and a bit of ability.

that rules out a few in the squad!

And that's the problem.

There are no players currently not playing for Tyrone apart from Sean Cavanagh that you would say would be a definite starter if they were available. It's more or less the best players in Tyrone bar a few players at a similar level to others in the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on February 02, 2018, 03:23:01 PM
Oh dear! Dublin could dish out another 12 point hammering to that Tyrone team!  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on February 02, 2018, 03:39:01 PM
I dunno its a league game so it could be close. Depends how Dublin approach it and what team they choose!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on February 02, 2018, 04:04:04 PM
Thats two weeks in a row and no Cassidy in the panel...is he hurt?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 02, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Dublin): Niall Morgan; Ciaran McLaughlin, Cathal McCarron, Hugh Pat McGeary; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey, Peter Harte; Matthew Donnelly, Declan McClure; Richard Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Lee Brennan, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Mark Bradley, Rory Brennan, Frank Burns, Conall McCann, Aidan McCrory, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNabb, Ronan McNamee, Padraig McNulty, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cassidy again. Injured?

Will pay close attention to Lee Brennan in this game, provided he gets half decent ball - this is the best opposition to judge the lad on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 02, 2018, 04:07:01 PM
Quote from: driveherin on February 02, 2018, 03:23:01 PM
Oh dear! Dublin could dish out another 12 point hammering to that Tyrone team!  :-\
10- 12point bating would be my guess
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 02, 2018, 06:06:05 PM
Is Conor Meyler out of favour.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Real Talk on February 02, 2018, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 02:51:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
Maybe mickey should go and bring back all the 6 footers he has fell out with like Conan grugan,shea mc guigan,mc nulty,Niall mc Kenna, coney

Grugan and Coney the only ones of that bunch who I would think may have something to offer.

Have saw Coney a few times at Club level and I would doubt if he has the 'stomach' or the determination for being an option for the commitment that Mickey Harte would want in a team set-up aiming for Sam
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 02, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 02, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Dublin): Niall Morgan; Ciaran McLaughlin, Cathal McCarron, Hugh Pat McGeary; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey, Peter Harte; Matthew Donnelly, Declan McClure; Richard Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Lee Brennan, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Mark Bradley, Rory Brennan, Frank Burns, Conall McCann, Aidan McCrory, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNabb, Ronan McNamee, Padraig McNulty, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cassidy again. Injured?

Will pay close attention to Lee Brennan in this game, provided he gets half decent ball - this is the best opposition to judge the lad on.

Or more likely, lamb to slaughter

This is a game were Tyrone are MASSIVE underdogs. Nobody really gives them a chance and I would say deep down Harte knows that. Play Lee Brennan, he doesnt get a kick because Dublin will dictate the game in the Tyrone half and then he can use the excuse he "wasnt ready" and drop him

Has Mc Laughlin ever played corner back?? I hope he doesnt get the same treatment as a club mate did down in Kerry, left out to dry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 02, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 02, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Dublin): Niall Morgan; Ciaran McLaughlin, Cathal McCarron, Hugh Pat McGeary; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey, Peter Harte; Matthew Donnelly, Declan McClure; Richard Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Lee Brennan, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Mark Bradley, Rory Brennan, Frank Burns, Conall McCann, Aidan McCrory, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNabb, Ronan McNamee, Padraig McNulty, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cassidy again. Injured?

Will pay close attention to Lee Brennan in this game, provided he gets half decent ball - this is the best opposition to judge the lad on.

Or more likely, lamb to slaughter

This is a game were Tyrone are MASSIVE underdogs. Nobody really gives them a chance and I would say deep down Harte knows that. Play Lee Brennan, he doesnt get a kick because Dublin will dictate the game in the Tyrone half and then he can use the excuse he "wasnt ready" and drop him

Has Mc Laughlin ever played corner back?? I hope he doesnt get the same treatment as a club mate did down in Kerry, left out to dry

Would you catch yourself. You are one of those crying out for Brennan to get a chance and then when he gets it, you are whinging that he is only being played so it will give the manager an excuse not to play him again.

The treatment Barry Tierney got was that he played plenty of football in the next two years, your criticisms are not in anyway rational which shows up your true colours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 02, 2018, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I'm not sayin mc nulty is the answer just he is one of a number of bigger physical lads with football in they given the chance and the right coaching could do a job for Tyrone. Mickey abandoned them all.

He's not mobile enough. You have to tick all boxes at the highest level - size, power, speed, mobility and a bit of ability.

that rules out a few in the squad!
actually there is a few in the squad that have a BIT of ability.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 02, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 02, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 02, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Dublin): Niall Morgan; Ciaran McLaughlin, Cathal McCarron, Hugh Pat McGeary; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey, Peter Harte; Matthew Donnelly, Declan McClure; Richard Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Lee Brennan, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Mark Bradley, Rory Brennan, Frank Burns, Conall McCann, Aidan McCrory, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNabb, Ronan McNamee, Padraig McNulty, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cassidy again. Injured?

Will pay close attention to Lee Brennan in this game, provided he gets half decent ball - this is the best opposition to judge the lad on.

Or more likely, lamb to slaughter

This is a game were Tyrone are MASSIVE underdogs. Nobody really gives them a chance and I would say deep down Harte knows that. Play Lee Brennan, he doesnt get a kick because Dublin will dictate the game in the Tyrone half and then he can use the excuse he "wasnt ready" and drop him

Has Mc Laughlin ever played corner back?? I hope he doesnt get the same treatment as a club mate did down in Kerry, left out to dry

You are not the first man i have heard this from.  There could be some truth in it alright.  Why now is Lee Brennan ready to start especially when you consider he had a tough sigerson game wednesday past? something strange with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 02, 2018, 10:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 02, 2018, 03:39:01 PM
I dunno its a league game so it could be close. Depends how Dublin approach it and what team they choose!
The result will depend upon how we approach the game and how we play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 02, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 02, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 02, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Dublin): Niall Morgan; Ciaran McLaughlin, Cathal McCarron, Hugh Pat McGeary; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey, Peter Harte; Matthew Donnelly, Declan McClure; Richard Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Kieran McGeary; Lee Brennan, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Mark Bradley, Rory Brennan, Frank Burns, Conall McCann, Aidan McCrory, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNabb, Ronan McNamee, Padraig McNulty, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cassidy again. Injured?

Will pay close attention to Lee Brennan in this game, provided he gets half decent ball - this is the best opposition to judge the lad on.

Or more likely, lamb to slaughter

This is a game were Tyrone are MASSIVE underdogs. Nobody really gives them a chance and I would say deep down Harte knows that. Play Lee Brennan, he doesnt get a kick because Dublin will dictate the game in the Tyrone half and then he can use the excuse he "wasnt ready" and drop him

Has Mc Laughlin ever played corner back?? I hope he doesnt get the same treatment as a club mate did down in Kerry, left out to dry

You are not the first man i have heard this from.  There could be some truth in it alright.  Why now is Lee Brennan ready to start especially when you consider he had a tough sigerson game wednesday past? something strange with it.

Because Peter Harte had a nightmare on frees the last day?
Because McCurry is suspended?

As well put your tin foil hat on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 02, 2018, 10:14:49 PM
Bradley would be ideal then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 02, 2018, 10:14:49 PM
Bradley would be ideal then.

Is he starting Ciaran McLaughlin for the same reason?

Brennan has hardly played in the last two league campaigns due to his involvement with the u20s.

It's the first season in his Tyrone career where he will get a full run at a league campaign and certain posters are fueling conspiracy stories that Harte is only playing him so he will have reason not to pick him. It's probably the most outlandish thing I have heard here yet and that is saying something.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on February 02, 2018, 10:58:36 PM
This on sky folks?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 11:00:44 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on February 02, 2018, 10:58:36 PM
This on sky folks?

Deferred on Eir/Premier.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 02, 2018, 11:09:18 PM
will be interesting to see if young brennan gets to take the left footed frees instead of harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 03, 2018, 12:23:09 AM
is this Lee Brennan's first start in a proper game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
will sweeper system be back sat night. and if so how many. my guess is with that team it wont be 2, mickey taker will have to show the world even if he wont talk to them that hes a student of the game.tyrone will be beat, full backline exposed and big colm, mccrory and mcnamee will be back for kildare monaghan. (full on sweepers back to the fore). a hammering on sat night will only reinforce the negative stuff for the season a bit like roscommon first half last year. no points no goals total fabrication.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
will sweeper system be back sat night. and if so how many. my guess is with that team it wont be 2, mickey taker will have to show the world even if he wont talk to them that hes a student of the game.tyrone will be beat, full backline exposed and big colm, mccrory and mcnamee will be back for kildare monaghan. (full on sweepers back to the fore). a hammering on sat night will only reinforce the negative stuff for the season a bit like roscommon first half last year. no points no goals total fabrication.

Does anyone think that just maybe the style of football we play is because it's the most effective with the squad we have?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2018, 07:24:10 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
will sweeper system be back sat night. and if so how many. my guess is with that team it wont be 2, mickey taker will have to show the world even if he wont talk to them that hes a student of the game.tyrone will be beat, full backline exposed and big colm, mccrory and mcnamee will be back for kildare monaghan. (full on sweepers back to the fore). a hammering on sat night will only reinforce the negative stuff for the season a bit like roscommon first half last year. no points no goals total fabrication.

Does anyone think that just maybe the style of football we play is because it's the most effective with the squad we have?
no bomber nobody thinks that apart from a few of mickeys disciples.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 07:32:37 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2018, 07:24:10 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
will sweeper system be back sat night. and if so how many. my guess is with that team it wont be 2, mickey taker will have to show the world even if he wont talk to them that hes a student of the game.tyrone will be beat, full backline exposed and big colm, mccrory and mcnamee will be back for kildare monaghan. (full on sweepers back to the fore). a hammering on sat night will only reinforce the negative stuff for the season a bit like roscommon first half last year. no points no goals total fabrication.

Does anyone think that just maybe the style of football we play is because it's the most effective with the squad we have?
no bomber nobody thinks that apart from a few of mickeys disciples.

Then why are people making exceptions for saying we'll get tanked if we play another way and revert back to the system that doesn't get us tanked?

If we go man for man this evening, how will we do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2018, 07:53:51 AM
Either way id say we will be beat so id rather us just have a go. But I'm not sure we know how to do that at this stage. Either way its a mess. Many Tyrone fans boycotting the game tonight?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on February 03, 2018, 08:09:36 AM
Yeah... used to never miss a match now I never go
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 03, 2018, 08:35:50 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
will sweeper system be back sat night. and if so how many. my guess is with that team it wont be 2, mickey taker will have to show the world even if he wont talk to them that hes a student of the game.tyrone will be beat, full backline exposed and big colm, mccrory and mcnamee will be back for kildare monaghan. (full on sweepers back to the fore). a hammering on sat night will only reinforce the negative stuff for the season a bit like roscommon first half last year. no points no goals total fabrication.

Does anyone think that just maybe the style of football we play is because it's the most effective with the squad we have?

Stop talking sense. We should go man to man on the Dubs because man for man we are better because we won the All Ireland 10 years ago!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 03, 2018, 10:38:42 AM
Doom and gloom merchants all over the place.Its going to be a tight game.Dublin will not relish the bog conditions which they only experience once or twice each year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 03, 2018, 02:29:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2018, 07:53:51 AM
Either way id say we will be beat so id rather us just have a go. But I'm not sure we know how to do that at this stage. Either way its a mess. Many Tyrone fans boycotting the game tonight?

You're not a tyrone fan you clown. Boycotting a team because you don't like mickey harte or how he sets up the team. Sounds like something an english soccer fan would do.

Players still need the support and i'm still going to support my county ye ejit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 03, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
will sweeper system be back sat night. and if so how many. my guess is with that team it wont be 2, mickey taker will have to show the world even if he wont talk to them that hes a student of the game.tyrone will be beat, full backline exposed and big colm, mccrory and mcnamee will be back for kildare monaghan. (full on sweepers back to the fore). a hammering on sat night will only reinforce the negative stuff for the season a bit like roscommon first half last year. no points no goals total fabrication.

Does anyone think that just maybe the style of football we play is because it's the most effective with the squad we have?
I agree with that because Peter Harte and others in this Tyrone team don't like the man to man rough and tumble of proper football. Is there 15 other Gaelic footballers in Tyrone up for the challenge? I think their is! The nephew as we all know won't be dropped.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 03:19:42 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 03, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
will sweeper system be back sat night. and if so how many. my guess is with that team it wont be 2, mickey taker will have to show the world even if he wont talk to them that hes a student of the game.tyrone will be beat, full backline exposed and big colm, mccrory and mcnamee will be back for kildare monaghan. (full on sweepers back to the fore). a hammering on sat night will only reinforce the negative stuff for the season a bit like roscommon first half last year. no points no goals total fabrication.

Does anyone think that just maybe the style of football we play is because it's the most effective with the squad we have?
I agree with that because Peter Harte and others in this Tyrone team don't like the man to man rough and tumble of proper football. Is there 15 other Gaelic footballers in Tyrone up for the challenge? I think their is! The nephew as we all know won't be dropped.

Although I hate how Mickey has Tyrone playing and I hate how forward play has been replaced by a system which can only be described as anti football. I can not agree with anyone who thinks Peter Harte is not worth his place. I think he is the most talented footballer on the Tyrone team and probably the only one who would make the current Dublin side. You can't blame the nephew for the sins of the Uncle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 03, 2018, 04:57:00 PM
Not a chance he would get on the Dublin team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on February 03, 2018, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 03, 2018, 04:57:00 PM
Not a chance he would get on the Dublin team.

He's a very very good footballer. I know good footballers and he's one. He'd start wing half forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2018, 07:28:18 PM
lee brennan having a serious game so far in omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 03, 2018, 07:43:11 PM
ground breaking stuff here at healy park. Tyrone are playing with 2 men in the full forward line and kicking it in...

Mickey is a genius again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 03, 2018, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 03, 2018, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 03, 2018, 04:57:00 PM
Not a chance he would get on the Dublin team.

He's a very very good footballer. I know good footballers and he's one. He'd start wing half forward

He just ran through about 3 of them before putting it over the bar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 03, 2018, 08:33:32 PM
one  point against 14 man Dublin team in second half... pressure  mounting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 08:58:22 PM
Looks to have been a very disappointing second half.

The positive would be that Brennan seemed to do well in the opportunity with five points and our full forward line contributed 1-9 tonight. Worth persisting with these lads for a while, I don't think we can afford to play McAliskey, Brennan and Bradley all at the same time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 03, 2018, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 08:58:22 PM
Looks to have been a very disappointing second half.

The positive would be that Brennan seemed to do well in the opportunity with five points and our full forward line contributed 1-9 tonight. Worth persisting with these lads for a while, I don't think we can afford to play McAliskey, Brennan and Bradley all at the same time
In the last 3 years our best football came in 2015 and that had Bradley play making with McCurry and McAliskey inside with Sean moving in and out. I don't see any reason we can't go down the same way this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 03, 2018, 09:04:54 PM
Tyrone battled hard but Dublin just seemed at times to be in second year.Time for patience next game in newbridge is a real 4 pointer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 03, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Awful stuff second half.  Dublin picked up the pace for ten minutes at start of second half and blew Tyrone away.  13/14 wides was it for Tyrone? Hardly good enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 03, 2018, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 08:58:22 PM
Looks to have been a very disappointing second half.

The positive would be that Brennan seemed to do well in the opportunity with five points and our full forward line contributed 1-9 tonight. Worth persisting with these lads for a while, I don't think we can afford to play McAliskey, Brennan and Bradley all at the same time
In the last 3 years our best football came in 2015 and that had Bradley play making with McCurry and McAliskey inside with Sean moving in and out. I don't see any reason we can't go down the same way this year.

What do you do with Sludden then?

If you play Bradley, Sludden, Brennan and McAliskey in the same forward line it would probably be the smallest forward line in the country. It will hardly cut it with the dynamic and physically imposing defences of Mayo and Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 09:46:45 PM
a little bit of perspective here please this time last year we drew with dubs in croker and come summer embarrassed us this year they beat us in our back garden with a depleted team what the f..k will they do to us come August September.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:07:55 PM
Without Colm Cavanagh sweeping we look really bad under the high ball, the first goal came from high ball launched in on the edge of the square and McManamon also hit the ball as a result of a long ball launched in.

We played some really nice football in that first half. Brennan and McAliskey were very sharp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 03, 2018, 10:10:18 PM
Really enjoyable game, but our mistakes again killed us. Mcrory has been a grt servant to us but cost us dearly tonight. Plenty to work on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 03, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Awful stuff second half.  Dublin picked up the pace for ten minutes at start of second half and blew Tyrone away.  13/14 wides was it for Tyrone? Hardly good enough.


You wouldn't know you weren't at the game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
Some really poor misses at the start of the second half.

Dublin were much more efficient in front of the posts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:24:35 PM
The two Donnellys have played very well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:30:45 PM
The second half would seem to be pretty misleading. We created more chances than Dublin did but we were extremely wasteful. McAliskey spurning a great goal chance to level there.

McLaughlin has had a very solid debut.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 03, 2018, 10:31:37 PM
What game were you watching Ritchie was poor and should have been off sooner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 10:37:17 PM
at least we were watchable but dublin won this game at a canter with half a team. good to see brennan get a go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 03, 2018, 10:38:03 PM
The thing that annoys me most is at any time any of our fullback line could end up as the furthest man up the field and either lose it or put it wide.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 03, 2018, 10:38:03 PM
The thing that annoys me most is at any time any of our fullback line could end up as the furthest man up the field and either lose it or put it wide.

We seem to rush the kick. There were a number of times in the second half where we just took the shots on when the wrong player was on the ball or it wasn't on. We need to be more patient in that regard and wait for the opportunity to present itself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:48:36 PM
We went 27 minutes without a point in the second half despite creating nearly three times as many scoring chances as Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:49:38 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 03, 2018, 10:37:17 PM
at least we were watchable but dublin won this game at a canter with half a team. good to see brennan get a go.

Half a team?

Which likely starters were they missing?

Connolly, O'Callaghan, O'Sullivan?

McCaffrey will have a job getting up to speed for Championship this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 03, 2018, 11:08:22 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 03, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Awful stuff second half.  Dublin picked up the pace for ten minutes at start of second half and blew Tyrone away.  13/14 wides was it for Tyrone? Hardly good enough.


You wouldn't know you weren't at the game

I was at the game and he's right. Worst decision of the night was to put Aidan Mc Crory on Ciaran Kilkenny. Directly cost 1-01 Kilkenny did as he pleased and created the chance that hit the bar. This is not Mc Crorys fault, he is not capable of marking Kilkenny. The fault lies with the man who felt Aiden could do that job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 03, 2018, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:30:45 PM
The second half would seem to be pretty misleading. We created more chances than Dublin did but we were extremely wasteful. McAliskey spurning a great goal chance to level there.

McLaughlin has had a very solid debut.

Had you been at the game you would know that there was a fairly strong breeze. Shooting against the breeze under pressure on your weaker foot is not creating chances

You're right about Ciaran Mc Laughlin though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 03, 2018, 11:13:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 03, 2018, 10:48:36 PM
We went 27 minutes without a point in the second half despite creating nearly three times as many scoring chances as Dublin.

Do you know what a scoring chance is !!
You are trying to make this sound like we were competitive in the second half. We werent
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Question : At which point do the good people of Tyrone realise they are worshiping a false god Mickey Harte a singularly destroyed Tyrone forward play for a generation time this guy was gone. Tyrone will never be a real threat for Sam under the current leadership. Harte has out stayed his welcome by at least 10 years. I can't see a panel of all star players coming along to save the guys legacy.  The reality is he was a mediocre manager with an exceptional bunch of players at the right time who was given too much credit and for some reason  has built up a cult following he never deserved. It is time some people realise Peter Stevie Brian sean and co won those All Ireland's not Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 03, 2018, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 03, 2018, 10:31:37 PM
What game were you watching Ritchie was poor and should have been off sooner.

Although a lot of his passes didn't come off tonight, he is one of very few players in the squad with the vision to pick a 40 yard pass. I'd definitely persevere with him. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 03, 2018, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Question : At which point do the good people of Tyrone realise they are worshiping a false god Mickey Harte a singularly destroyed Tyrone forward play for a generation time this guy was gone. Tyrone will never be a real threat for Sam under the current leadership. Harte has out stayed his welcome by at least 10 years. I can't see a panel of all star players coming along to save the guys legacy.  The reality is he was a mediocre manager with an exceptional bunch of players at the right time who was given too much credit and for some reason  has built up a cult following he never deserved. It is time some people realise Peter Stevie Brian sean and co won those All Ireland's not Mickey.

Agree - time he was gone
Agree - overstayed since 2010/2011. He should have left to keep his legacy, I fear he is on the verge of ruining it

Strongly Disagree - Harte was a good manager. He out though and tactically beat the big guns back in the day but the game has moved on and changed but he still remains. Fresh Ideas and Man at the helm needed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 03, 2018, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Question : At which point do the good people of Tyrone realise they are worshiping a false god Mickey Harte a singularly destroyed Tyrone forward play for a generation time this guy was gone. Tyrone will never be a real threat for Sam under the current leadership. Harte has out stayed his welcome by at least 10 years. I can't see a panel of all star players coming along to save the guys legacy.  The reality is he was a mediocre manager with an exceptional bunch of players at the right time who was given too much credit and for some reason  has built up a cult following he never deserved. It is time some people realise Peter Stevie Brian sean and co won those All Ireland's not Mickey.

Agree - time he was gone
Agree - overstayed since 2010/2011. He should have left to keep his legacy, I fear he is on the verge of ruining it

Strongly Disagree - Harte was a good manager. He out though and tactically beat the big guns back in the day but the game has moved on and changed but he still remains. Fresh Ideas and Man at the helm needed

ok good manager yes exceptional manager no he is not designed to get the best out of what he has at his disposal. Anyone who put personal opinions and grievances above correct decisions for the good of the team can not be classed as a great manager. sorry I consider him mediocrity at best.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 03, 2018, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Question : At which point do the good people of Tyrone realise they are worshiping a false god Mickey Harte a singularly destroyed Tyrone forward play for a generation time this guy was gone. Tyrone will never be a real threat for Sam under the current leadership. Harte has out stayed his welcome by at least 10 years. I can't see a panel of all star players coming along to save the guys legacy.  The reality is he was a mediocre manager with an exceptional bunch of players at the right time who was given too much credit and for some reason  has built up a cult following he never deserved. It is time some people realise Peter Stevie Brian sean and co won those All Ireland's not Mickey.

We won the all Ireland in 2008 so....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 03, 2018, 11:40:48 PM
2012 was the time to go. after the game in killarney.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 03, 2018, 11:40:48 PM
2012 was the time to go. after the game in killarney.

Agreed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 03, 2018, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Question : At which point do the good people of Tyrone realise they are worshiping a false god Mickey Harte a singularly destroyed Tyrone forward play for a generation time this guy was gone. Tyrone will never be a real threat for Sam under the current leadership. Harte has out stayed his welcome by at least 10 years. I can't see a panel of all star players coming along to save the guys legacy.  The reality is he was a mediocre manager with an exceptional bunch of players at the right time who was given too much credit and for some reason  has built up a cult following he never deserved. It is time some people realise Peter Stevie Brian sean and co won those All Ireland's not Mickey.

We won the all Ireland in 2008 so....

semantics  get a life and think for yourself he won 3 All Ireland's with an exceptional bunch of players who won him all Ireland's at minor and u21 level as well. engage the brain please and don't bore me with sheepish thinking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 03, 2018, 11:51:22 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 03, 2018, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Question : At which point do the good people of Tyrone realise they are worshiping a false god Mickey Harte a singularly destroyed Tyrone forward play for a generation time this guy was gone. Tyrone will never be a real threat for Sam under the current leadership. Harte has out stayed his welcome by at least 10 years. I can't see a panel of all star players coming along to save the guys legacy.  The reality is he was a mediocre manager with an exceptional bunch of players at the right time who was given too much credit and for some reason  has built up a cult following he never deserved. It is time some people realise Peter Stevie Brian sean and co won those All Ireland's not Mickey.

We won the all Ireland in 2008 so....

semantics  get a life and think for yourself he won 3 All Ireland's with an exceptional bunch of players who won him all Ireland's at minor and u21 level as well. engage the brain please and don't bore me with sheepish thinking.

to be fair Harte also played a big part in those successes but is long past time to let go... need fresh coach he's been left way behind

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on February 04, 2018, 12:02:32 AM
As a neutral at the game tonight a few things were apparent.

The groundswell in Tyrone are not particularly happy with Harte and want a change.

Lee Brennan is a quality footballer and i'm baffled as to why he hasn't featured on a serious level the past few years.

Tyrone don't have enough leaders in the team. Mattie and Peter Harte wouldwalk on to any team in Ireland but went missing in the second half. They should watch James McCarthy and take a leaf out of his book.

They aren't a million miles away but I personally think they need a change!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 04, 2018, 12:04:06 AM
Quote from: longballin on February 03, 2018, 11:51:22 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 03, 2018, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 03, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Question : At which point do the good people of Tyrone realise they are worshiping a false god Mickey Harte a singularly destroyed Tyrone forward play for a generation time this guy was gone. Tyrone will never be a real threat for Sam under the current leadership. Harte has out stayed his welcome by at least 10 years. I can't see a panel of all star players coming along to save the guys legacy.  The reality is he was a mediocre manager with an exceptional bunch of players at the right time who was given too much credit and for some reason  has built up a cult following he never deserved. It is time some people realise Peter Stevie Brian sean and co won those All Ireland's not Mickey.

We won the all Ireland in 2008 so....

semantics  get a life and think for yourself he won 3 All Ireland's with an exceptional bunch of players who won him all Ireland's at minor and u21 level as well. engage the brain please and don't bore me with sheepish thinking.

to be fair Harte also played a big part in those successes but is long past time to let go... need fresh coach he's been left way behind

That is my point had he been as smart and switched on as his legion of fans think he is he would have preserved his legacy instead of making the Sean Boylan mistake of staying on beyond his usefullness. The longer he stays in place the harder it will be for Tyrone to get back to the top again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 04, 2018, 01:38:04 AM
Unfortunately and rather depressingly Harte has three more years thanks to the wisdom of the lunatic county board. This man is not gonna walk away from this prestigious job for it gives him the profile and celebrity he craves. To think this is happening to our great and proud is nothing short of disgusting. Only the players can remedy this situation now and make a move on Harte. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 04, 2018, 01:57:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2018, 12:02:32 AM
As a neutral at the game tonight a few things were apparent.

The groundswell in Tyrone are not particularly happy with Harte and want a change.

Lee Brennan is a quality footballer and i'm baffled as to why he hasn't featured on a serious level the past few years.

Tyrone don't have enough leaders in the team. Mattie and Peter Harte wouldwalk on to any team in Ireland but went missing in the second half. They should watch James McCarthy and take a leaf out of his book.

They aren't a million miles away but I personally think they need a change!

Would agree with u on matty but peter harte performs admirably considering nearly every team concentrate on giving him special attention. I think it was jim mcguinness who first picked him out for this as he realised hes the player that makes the team tick!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 04, 2018, 02:51:24 AM
Harte and the 2003-8 teams are inextricably linked and we should be extremely thankful that we experienced a glorious period of county football.

That being said it's getting more and more difficult to support his current tactics.. I can absolutely appreciate great defence but this is clearly not enough on its own against the big boys and we say something needs to change, every year. However it doesn't.

Tonight was just depressing. Dublin had 2 or 3 more gears available, with some serious heavy hitters not even playing.  I'm sure they would have loved Tyrone to have left tonight believing the gap was closing and if we keep doing what we've been doing we'll not be far away. Then come August they roll us over without breaking sweat. Again.

Unfortunately not even a 14 man Dublin could convince Harte to cut loose. All we got was the same old, same old. Forwards playing in the full back line, 14 men in their own half, key payers posted missing once again (our captain being the most obvious) and others just not good enough at this level.

Brennan was good in the first half, didn't really feature in the second bar some handy scores when Dublin had put the handbrake on. Can he be the consistent forward we need? Maybe. Will he even get the chance? Probably not.

The 2003-8 teams had clutch players. When a score was needed they stepped up. Who would you rely on in the current forward unit if the game was on the line........exactly. None of them have stepped up right across a full season. They might have one or two decent games, but against the big 3...,,,no.

McShane wore 14 and played in midfield most of the game. McAliskey started bright but was again found wanting in front of  goal, just like in the Mayo semi final. Harte flitted in and out. Wasn't an influence. Yes, he's a marked man. Every county has them. If you are that good, you can still affect proceedings.

Being undone by route 1 was very poor. Taking shots in the second half from stupid positions was also poor.

Really not sure where we go from here. A small part of me still hopes Harte has a master plan that we just haven't seen yet. Hindsight tells me he doesn't.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 04, 2018, 02:54:37 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 03, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 03, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Awful stuff second half.  Dublin picked up the pace for ten minutes at start of second half and blew Tyrone away.  13/14 wides was it for Tyrone? Hardly good enough.


You wouldn't know you weren't at the game

It was pretty obvious from the radio coverage and also predictable. And after watching it i was right.  What part did you disagree with?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2018, 07:50:14 AM
I might be alone here but I was reasonably happy last night. The first half was very enjoyable and I was glad to see Tyrone 'mix it up' with their tactics. They were content to play the hand pass but equally as content to ping it long into Brennan and McAliskey. The latter did alright but I thought Brennan was, maybe not excellent, but at least very good. He got out in front, gathered good ball in, and worked good angles for his score. He definitely justified a starting berth and I hope he gets a run of games now.

Tyrone actually played alright in the second half. However the basic skills badly let them down in terms of retaining the ball, shooting, shot selection and the less said about the 2nd goal the better.

There is some criticism about Tyrone's tactics, but they were a bit more pleasing in the eye than previous years. Dublin on numerous occasions had the full compliment behind the ball too. However when they turned it over they were much more comfortable and efficient with it's use. Whereas Tyrone probed and poked before blazing wide, Dublin picked out 2-4 smart passes and clipped over. They made it look easy at times.

I thought the ref was harsh on Tyrone too. When they missed a few chances in the second half heads dropped, which is a sign of a team lacking in confidence. However this was not helped by some of the soft frees that Dublin got. The ref didn't influence the result but he was harsher on Tyrone I thought and expedited the towel being thrown in.

Aside from Brennan, Niall Sludden and my man McShane had a decent evening. Sludden was a 'torture' when Dublin had the ball. However he needs to learn to make contact with his hands lower. A few times he went close to the head area when pushing back on contact. If I recall he got a red for that last year v Dublin and Dublin hitting the turf anytime he did this last night. It's obviously something they are watching for, and reacting to. Cathal I thought put in a good shift. Scores aside, he fielded well and used the ball efficiently. This was his 3rd full game in less than a week but he never faded from the game all that much despite this.

I am not really expecting Tyrone to beat arguably the finest team to play the game, but I do expect to be entertained and for them to put up a fight. The did most of this last night.

Reasons for optimism. Just about.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 04, 2018, 08:08:15 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2018, 07:50:14 AM
I might be alone here but I was reasonably happy last night. The first half was very enjoyable and I was glad to see Tyrone 'mix it up' with their tactics. They were content to play the hand pass but equally as content to ping it long into Brennan and McAliskey. The latter did alright but I thought Brennan was, maybe not excellent, but at least very good. He got out in front, gathered good ball in, and worked good angles for his score. He definitely justified a starting berth and I hope he gets a run of games now.

Tyrone actually played alright in the second half. However the basic skills badly let them down in terms of retaining the ball, shooting, shot selection and the less said about the 2nd goal the better.

There is some criticism about Tyrone's tactics, but they were a bit more pleasing in the eye than previous years. Dublin on numerous occasions had the full compliment behind the ball too. However when they turned it over they were much more comfortable and efficient with it's use. Whereas Tyrone probed and poked before blazing wide, Dublin picked out 2-4 smart passes and clipped over. They made it look easy at times.

I thought the ref was harsh on Tyrone too. When they missed a few chances in the second half heads dropped, which is a sign of a team lacking in confidence. However this was not helped by some of the soft frees that Dublin got. The ref didn't influence the result but he was harsher on Tyrone I thought and expedited the towel being thrown in.

Aside from Brennan, Niall Sludden and my man McShane had a decent evening. Sludden was a 'torture' when Dublin had the ball. However he needs to learn to make contact with his hands lower. A few times he went close to the head area when pushing back on contact. If I recall he got a red for that last year v Dublin and Dublin hitting the turf anytime he did this last night. It's obviously something they are watching for, and reacting to. Cathal I thought put in a good shift. Scores aside, he fielded well and used the ball efficiently. This was his 3rd full game in less than a week but he never faded from the game all that much despite this.

I am not really expecting Tyrone to beat arguably the finest team to play the game, but I do expect to be entertained and for them to put up a fight. The did most of this last night.

Reasons for optimism. Just about.

Would agree with this.

Was actually Bradley who got sent off against Dublin last year though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2018, 08:16:03 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 04, 2018, 08:08:15 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2018, 07:50:14 AM
I might be alone here but I was reasonably happy last night. The first half was very enjoyable and I was glad to see Tyrone 'mix it up' with their tactics. They were content to play the hand pass but equally as content to ping it long into Brennan and McAliskey. The latter did alright but I thought Brennan was, maybe not excellent, but at least very good. He got out in front, gathered good ball in, and worked good angles for his score. He definitely justified a starting berth and I hope he gets a run of games now.

Tyrone actually played alright in the second half. However the basic skills badly let them down in terms of retaining the ball, shooting, shot selection and the less said about the 2nd goal the better.

There is some criticism about Tyrone's tactics, but they were a bit more pleasing in the eye than previous years. Dublin on numerous occasions had the full compliment behind the ball too. However when they turned it over they were much more comfortable and efficient with it's use. Whereas Tyrone probed and poked before blazing wide, Dublin picked out 2-4 smart passes and clipped over. They made it look easy at times.

I thought the ref was harsh on Tyrone too. When they missed a few chances in the second half heads dropped, which is a sign of a team lacking in confidence. However this was not helped by some of the soft frees that Dublin got. The ref didn't influence the result but he was harsher on Tyrone I thought and expedited the towel being thrown in.

Aside from Brennan, Niall Sludden and my man McShane had a decent evening. Sludden was a 'torture' when Dublin had the ball. However he needs to learn to make contact with his hands lower. A few times he went close to the head area when pushing back on contact. If I recall he got a red for that last year v Dublin and Dublin hitting the turf anytime he did this last night. It's obviously something they are watching for, and reacting to. Cathal I thought put in a good shift. Scores aside, he fielded well and used the ball efficiently. This was his 3rd full game in less than a week but he never faded from the game all that much despite this.

I am not really expecting Tyrone to beat arguably the finest team to play the game, but I do expect to be entertained and for them to put up a fight. The did most of this last night.

Reasons for optimism. Just about.

Would agree with this.

Was actually Bradley who got sent off against Dublin last year though.

You're right. Apologies. Sludden was MOTM v Dublin last year. That's where I got mixed up!

He does tackle high though. Maybe it's his height.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on February 04, 2018, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2018, 07:50:14 AM
I might be alone here but I was reasonably happy last night. The first half was very enjoyable and I was glad to see Tyrone 'mix it up' with their tactics. They were content to play the hand pass but equally as content to ping it long into Brennan and McAliskey. The latter did alright but I thought Brennan was, maybe not excellent, but at least very good. He got out in front, gathered good ball in, and worked good angles for his score. He definitely justified a starting berth and I hope he gets a run of games now.

Tyrone actually played alright in the second half. However the basic skills badly let them down in terms of retaining the ball, shooting, shot selection and the less said about the 2nd goal the better.

There is some criticism about Tyrone's tactics, but they were a bit more pleasing in the eye than previous years. Dublin on numerous occasions had the full compliment behind the ball too. However when they turned it over they were much more comfortable and efficient with it's use. Whereas Tyrone probed and poked before blazing wide, Dublin picked out 2-4 smart passes and clipped over. They made it look easy at times.

I thought the ref was harsh on Tyrone too. When they missed a few chances in the second half heads dropped, which is a sign of a team lacking in confidence. However this was not helped by some of the soft frees that Dublin got. The ref didn't influence the result but he was harsher on Tyrone I thought and expedited the towel being thrown in.

Aside from Brennan, Niall Sludden and my man McShane had a decent evening. Sludden was a 'torture' when Dublin had the ball. However he needs to learn to make contact with his hands lower. A few times he went close to the head area when pushing back on contact. If I recall he got a red for that last year v Dublin and Dublin hitting the turf anytime he did this last night. It's obviously something they are watching for, and reacting to. Cathal I thought put in a good shift. Scores aside, he fielded well and used the ball efficiently. This was his 3rd full game in less than a week but he never faded from the game all that much despite this.

I am not really expecting Tyrone to beat arguably the finest team to play the game, but I do expect to be entertained and for them to put up a fight. The did most of this last night.

Reasons for optimism. Just about.
I'd broadly agree. Was at the game & thought 1st half was good with quick accurate kick-passing into the FF line causing the Dubs problems. You can't say Tyrone don't have forwards, when the ball went in Brennan & McAliskey could win it, beat their man & score. Unfortunately Brennan missed a couple of decent chances & Tyrone should have been further ahead at HT.

But then the 2nd half tactics seemed to revert back to last years rubbish. I think 2 kick-passes went in & both were lapped up by the Dublin sweeper. It was back to the slow ponderous hand-passing & then a hail-Mary effort for a score. That's why there's so many wides.

The free-taking is still unreliable. Brennan missed 1 1st half & McAliskey 2nd half that Rock would put over in his sleep. And McAliskey is not clinical enough when he has a goal-chance on

Dublin are a class act though, have go-to men when they need a score e.g. McCarthy or McMenamen. Also their bench contributed 1-3, hard to see how they can be stopped
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 04, 2018, 10:40:36 AM
Surely you could see that Dublin has 13 men back in the second half when we had the ball. Plus the wind picked up considerably resulting in a running game. It was great effort and hopefully stevie can get the forward line more effectively working.
On the Dublin players, it's only when you see them up close how physically big they are. There smallest player Kilkenny probably is the same size as our biggest.
Any way if we meet them later on the year I think we can take them. Provided we keep with only one man dropping back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 04, 2018, 11:05:06 AM
I think it was clear enough in the first half yesterday that Tyrone were trying to move the ball quicker into the ff line and it was reaping rewards. Dubs counteracted this in the second half and had a few more men funnelling back. We aren't far enough down the road of developing a different style to be the finished article, but at least there was some positive signs. When pressure was applied when the game was in the balance,  we appeared to revert to type, which is hardly surprising given how ingrained the style is. I think people may have to be patient with this team because if we are shifting strategies, which yesterday suggested at times, then we may have to accept a few bad results along the way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2018, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 04, 2018, 11:05:06 AM
I think it was clear enough in the first half yesterday that Tyrone were trying to move the ball quicker into the ff line and it was reaping rewards. Dubs counteracted this in the second half and had a few more men funnelling back. We aren't far enough down the road of developing a different style to be the finished article, but at least there was some positive signs. When pressure was applied when the game was in the balance,  we appeared to revert to type, which is hardly surprising given how ingrained the style is. I think people may have to be patient with this team because if we are shifting strategies, which yesterday suggested at times, then we may have to accept a few bad results along the way.

Agree with the changing strategy thing. Also as we lack confidence, I think we tend to revert back to 'do what we always do' when things aren't working.
One point of note is that Tyrone's quick ball in the first half forced Dublin to retreat more men back to cover. This freed up space around the 45s and wings, hence a lot of our missed shots came from there. Again, this is something that can be improved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 04, 2018, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2018, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 04, 2018, 11:05:06 AM
I think it was clear enough in the first half yesterday that Tyrone were trying to move the ball quicker into the ff line and it was reaping rewards. Dubs counteracted this in the second half and had a few more men funnelling back. We aren't far enough down the road of developing a different style to be the finished article, but at least there was some positive signs. When pressure was applied when the game was in the balance,  we appeared to revert to type, which is hardly surprising given how ingrained the style is. I think people may have to be patient with this team because if we are shifting strategies, which yesterday suggested at times, then we may have to accept a few bad results along the way.

Agree with the changing strategy thing. Also as we lack confidence, I think we tend to revert back to 'do what we always do' when things aren't working.
One point of note is that Tyrone's quick ball in the first half forced Dublin to retreat more men back to cover. This freed up space around the 45s and wings, hence a lot of our missed shots came from there. Again, this is something that can be improved.

We just need to work on getting our better shooters in the ball in those situations. Last night at various stages we had Hampsey, McNamee, McClure and McCarron taking pot shots from distance when we should have the confidence and patience to work Donnelly, Harte or Brennan into those areas. All work in progress but I think there was enough last night to see there was some semblance of a change in approach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 04, 2018, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 04, 2018, 10:40:36 AM
Surely you could see that Dublin has 13 men back in the second half when we had the ball. Plus the wind picked up considerably resulting in a running game. It was great effort and hopefully stevie can get the forward line more effectively working.
On the Dublin players, it's only when you see them up close how physically big they are. There smallest player Kilkenny probably is the same size as our biggest.
Any way if we meet them later on the year I think we can take them. Provided we keep with only one man dropping back
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Aye there's loads of good reasons why you should think that
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on February 04, 2018, 03:55:35 PM
Dublin put 15 men behind the ball on 3-4 occasions in that match and 14 behind it on another 6-7 times. There's no great difference in how the two teams played, just Dublin were better at it. This idea that Dublin are a team with 6 forwards up the pitch all the time is a complete lie, repeated often enough that it's now become the truth.

When you're better than teams you'll put up big scores against them, thsts why we put a run on Armagh, down, Donegal and Derry last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 04, 2018, 04:00:34 PM
Quote from: trileacman on February 04, 2018, 03:55:35 PM
Dublin put 15 men behind the ball on 3-4 occasions in that match and 14 behind it on another 6-7 times. There's no great difference in how the two teams played, just Dublin were better at it. This idea that Dublin are a team with 6 forwards up the pitch all the time is a complete lie, repeated often enough that it's now become the truth.

When you're better than teams you'll put up big scores against them, thsts why we put a run on Armagh, down, Donegal and Derry last year.

on '3-4 occasions' not quite whats inflicted on Tyrone supporters : (

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 04, 2018, 10:59:47 PM
After watching the highlights I see sneaky Mickey does his usual act of genius an changes the team at the last minute. Aidan Mccrory snuck into the half forward line no doubt! Lol. Peter Harte giving the ball away on numerous occasions like he was playing for Dublin. Maybe he is taking it too literally when people on here say he is the only player who would make it onto their team! Fair play to young Brennan he is now officially Tyrone's best forward. About time!!! Jim Gavin among others will always be one step ahead of Mickey Harte and that will be Tyrone's Achilles heel for the next three horrendous years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2018, 11:23:23 PM
mc crory at wing forward, its just gets better and better. 27 mins of second half before they got a score. brennan showed in first half that you dont have to be 6 foot and 14 stone if the right ball is delivered quick and early. imagine the possiblities mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 05, 2018, 07:22:42 AM
There is a lazy argument out there that Dublin also  play with heavy numbers back, they do, however their game plan in certain situations requires that.. This tactic is only part of  their armoury. Good forward play is their strong point and undoubtedly not Tyrone's. Then again Harte has only had the last TEN years to work on it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 05, 2018, 03:13:31 PM
Gas I put a pic of Lee Brennan as my phone wallpaper for a TAD quiz on Friday night for the laugh, even before I heard he was starting on Saturday night and look he well he played.

Yeah I was very frustrated with the 2nd half and how poor we can be when we don't have any TRUE leaders to stand up and be counted. I was also getting very annoyed with the lack of atmosphere with our supporters despite me trying loads of times to get people to chant and sing.
Again the Dubs out sung us and it was like Hill 16 on tour. The silver birches was packed from 4pm with them.

The 1st half gave me great hope and thought they do have it in them for a battle but then the second half was very very disappointing. Especially after the big fight (pushing and grabbing throats) in the tunnel that lasted 3 mins or more,  or so one of my TADpole colleagues told me. I was on the pitch presenting a cheque from AIG to Dublin chairman as funds were running low after Xmas.


Definitely a better performance that in Galway and when you see that they beat Donegal who run Kerry close then maybe we're not that far behind after all. Still I'm not going to any more long trips away to watch more crab like muck.







Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 05, 2018, 04:05:20 PM
Fuzzman, I admire ur enthusiasm but I wouldn't be too hard on Tyrone supporters for not singing and chanting. Between watchin puke, negative football and mickeys grey, gloomy face on the sideline it would more likely make ye depressed than want to sing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Iceman on February 05, 2018, 09:17:54 PM
where would I go to read about the Moys All Ireland win? Is it on the Armagh thread?
I went back through 6 pages there and didn't see a thing. Congrats to any Tyrone posters here from the village -auld neighbours of mine at a time used to get a great fry at Geraldines and frequented a few bubs there and in Charlemont in my hey day
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Iceman on February 05, 2018, 10:54:10 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 05, 2018, 09:17:54 PM
where would I go to read about the Moys All Ireland win? Is it on the Armagh thread?
I went back through 6 pages there and didn't see a thing. Congrats to any Tyrone posters here from the village -auld neighbours of mine at a time used to get a great fry at Geraldines and frequented a few bubs there and in Charlemont in my hey day
my apologies -the club is a seperate thread!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 06, 2018, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 05, 2018, 10:54:10 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 05, 2018, 09:17:54 PM
where would I go to read about the Moys All Ireland win? Is it on the Armagh thread?
I went back through 6 pages there and didn't see a thing. Congrats to any Tyrone posters here from the village -auld neighbours of mine at a time used to get a great fry at Geraldines and frequented a few bubs there and in Charlemont in my hey day
my apologies -the club is a seperate thread!
hearty congratulations on your success Gael. One club that deserves a bit of good news it's the Moy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 06, 2018, 03:21:38 PM
Is it true that Morgan was responsible for giving away 2.02 on Sat night?
He was very slow to respond for the ball for the first goal and then put Hampsey under major pressure for the second goal.
Two of his kickouts went straight to Dublin men who kicked them over the bar.

That's 8 handy points we gave the Dubs whilst kicking how many wides? 13 was it?

To not score for 27 mins in any game is really poor and whilst there were some positives to be taken from the first half there were also a lot of negatives to be considered.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 06, 2018, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 06, 2018, 03:21:38 PM
Is it true that Morgan was responsible for giving away 2.02 on Sat night?
He was very slow to respond for the ball for the first goal and then put Hampsey under major pressure for the second goal.
Two of his kickouts went straight to Dublin men who kicked them over the bar.

That's 8 handy points we gave the Dubs whilst kicking how many wides? 13 was it?

To not score for 27 mins in any game is really poor and whilst there were some positives to be taken from the first half there were also a lot of negatives to be considered.
Were you at the game at all ? Morgan had a poor enough time with his kickouts but Mc Crory and Hampsey were responsible for each of Dublins goals
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 06, 2018, 04:00:18 PM
Aidy was to easily knocked of the ball for the first goal. I think Morgan nearly gave them 2 goals, one was blazed over the bar. Cluxtons kickout were brilliant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 06, 2018, 04:13:40 PM
McCrory at fault for the first one. I would ascribe blame equally between Hampsey and Morgan for the second. It was a poor pass but Morgan should never have been out there. I counted 3 short kicks straight to Dublin men resulting in 2 tap overs.
The contrast with Dublins kick outs was striking. Cluxton found his man almost every time (Sludden intercepted 2-3 and Harte 1) long and every time on the short kick out. We were at best 50:50 long or short.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redexile on February 06, 2018, 06:52:21 PM
Agree with Norf Tyrone - some reasons for optimism.
Would just like to nail the lie that Dublin played with half a team. They had 11 starters from last August. Tyrone had 8! And Tyrone were missing their 2 most important men from August
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 06, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
Who are the missing seven.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2018, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 06, 2018, 04:13:40 PM
McCrory at fault for the first one. I would ascribe blame equally between Hampsey and Morgan for the second. It was a poor pass but Morgan should never have been out there. I counted 3 short kicks straight to Dublin men resulting in 2 tap overs.
The contrast with Dublins kick outs was striking. Cluxton found his man almost every time (Sludden intercepted 2-3 and Harte 1) long and every time on the short kick out. We were at best 50:50 long or short.

So that was the winning margin that Morgan was responsible for, one way or other. He needs to settle the head.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on February 06, 2018, 11:16:03 PM
The second goal is on Hampsey. Terrible execution of a basic handpass from and any player - let alone an inter county one.  Good player but that was inexcusable as he was under no direct pressure when passing it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2018, 11:23:02 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on February 06, 2018, 11:16:03 PM
The second goal is on Hampsey. Terrible execution of a basic handpass from and any player - let alone an inter county one.  Good player but that was inexcusable as he was under no direct pressure when passing it.

Yes, a woeful pass, but what was the keeper doing coming way out like that -- we had the extra man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 06, 2018, 11:39:32 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2018, 11:23:02 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on February 06, 2018, 11:16:03 PM
The second goal is on Hampsey. Terrible execution of a basic handpass from and any player - let alone an inter county one.  Good player but that was inexcusable as he was under no direct pressure when passing it.

Yes, a woeful pass, but what was the keeper doing coming way out like that -- we had the extra man.
It's not Morgan's fault that Hampsey  can't handpass the ball
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2018, 11:58:27 PM
Yes, but it is Morgan's fault that he left his own area. Absolutely no need for that, and asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redexile on February 07, 2018, 12:29:47 AM
Seven players who didn't start on Sat night - R McNamee K McGeary C McCann D Mulgrew M Bradley and two Cavanaghs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 07, 2018, 01:09:49 AM
Quote from: Redexile on February 07, 2018, 12:29:47 AM
Seven players who didn't start on Sat night - R McNamee K McGeary C McCann D Mulgrew M Bradley and two Cavanaghs

How many of those do you believe would strengthen the team. Only 2 imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 07, 2018, 02:09:48 AM
Quote from: skeog on February 06, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
Who are the missing seven.

Colm, Sean, Ricey, Jordan, Block, Enda, Dooher,

Or Enda, Mugsy, Hub, Peter, Stevie, Collie, McGuigan

Or Davey, Gourley, Holmes, Joey, Justy, Pascal, Marty

Or............
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 07, 2018, 04:14:13 AM
This thing about missing personnel is a distraction 4 of the 7 came on,didnt make much of an impression imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 07, 2018, 11:28:30 AM
 the list of excuses some Tyrone people will make for the team not playing well is endless.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 07, 2018, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 07, 2018, 11:28:30 AM
the list of excuses some Tyrone people will make for the team not playing well is endless.

Just like your never ending stream of bulls*it. Surely the stream will run dry somewhere
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 07, 2018, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: Redexile on February 07, 2018, 12:29:47 AM
Seven players who didn't start on Sat night - R McNamee K McGeary C McCann D Mulgrew M Bradley and two Cavanaghs

You cant say we missed the 2 Cavanagh's when one Cavanagh has retired and never coming back.  But Colm Cavanagh will be back hopefully and we might get a chance to see Harry Loughran in a Tyrone shirt as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
What's up with David Mulgrew?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 07, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
What's up with David Mulgrew?

He had surgery on his shoulder
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 07, 2018, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 07, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
What's up with David Mulgrew?

He had surgery on his shoulder

...Wait for it....que Sothfermanaghmouth....

"..He wouldn't have a bad shoulder only for Mickey Harte making him pray every training session..."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 07, 2018, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 07, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
What's up with David Mulgrew?

He had surgery on his shoulder

Out for long?  Mulgrew seems to have had a few shoulder problems over the past couple of years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 07, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
What's up with David Mulgrew?

He had surgery on his shoulder

Cheers GlenMan. Any idea when he had surgery or when we may see him back?

Haven't had a chance to post properly since the Dublin game but I believe it wasn't a bad showing. There was enough change in emphasis for me to take notice with the long early ball going into McAliskey and Brennan. We had more presence and support around the HF line and some excellent support runs breaking through the Dubs HB line. Obviously, the shooting in the 2nd half let us down a bagful but that will improve significantly as the pitches harden and weather calms down a bit. Put it like like this, the Dubs didn't hit a wide in the second half compared to our horror show. There is a gap there that can be worked on.

The second goal for Dublin was totally Hampsey's fault. Some here are giving Morgan stick for being out there but he was doing the right thing. Dublin had a full press on so Morgan came out for the 1-2 to create the extra man. If the ball went to his chest he had a clear run out to the HB line.

If you get a chance listen to the second half of the GAA hour podcast, Wooly and Cian Ward gave a very good analysis of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 07, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
What's up with David Mulgrew?

He had surgery on his shoulder

Cheers GlenMan. Any idea when he had surgery or when we may see him back?

Haven't had a chance to post properly since the Dublin game but I believe it wasn't a bad showing. There was enough change in emphasis for me to take notice with the long early ball going into McAliskey and Brennan. We had more presence and support around the HF line and some excellent support runs breaking through the Dubs HB line. Obviously, the shooting in the 2nd half let us down a bagful but that will improve significantly as the pitches harden and weather calms down a bit. Put it like like this, the Dubs didn't hit a wide in the second half compared to our horror show. There is a gap there that can be worked on.

The second goal for Dublin was totally Hampsey's fault. Some here are giving Morgan stick for being out there but he was doing the right thing. Dublin had a full press on so Morgan came out for the 1-2 to create the extra man. If the ball went to his chest he had a clear run out to the HB line.

If you get a chance listen to the second half of the GAA hour podcast, Wooly and Cian Ward gave a very good analysis of the game.

Think this is one of these times when people are happy to blame a player they seem to have a dislike for, rather than the actual truth of the matter here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 07, 2018, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 07, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
What's up with David Mulgrew?

He had surgery on his shoulder

Cheers GlenMan. Any idea when he had surgery or when we may see him back?

Haven't had a chance to post properly since the Dublin game but I believe it wasn't a bad showing. There was enough change in emphasis for me to take notice with the long early ball going into McAliskey and Brennan. We had more presence and support around the HF line and some excellent support runs breaking through the Dubs HB line. Obviously, the shooting in the 2nd half let us down a bagful but that will improve significantly as the pitches harden and weather calms down a bit. Put it like like this, the Dubs didn't hit a wide in the second half compared to our horror show. There is a gap there that can be worked on.

The second goal for Dublin was totally Hampsey's fault. Some here are giving Morgan stick for being out there but he was doing the right thing. Dublin had a full press on so Morgan came out for the 1-2 to create the extra man. If the ball went to his chest he had a clear run out to the HB line.

If you get a chance listen to the second half of the GAA hour podcast, Wooly and Cian Ward gave a very good analysis of the game.

Think this is one of these times when people are happy to blame a player they seem to have a dislike for, rather than the actual truth of the matter here.

In your opinion what is the truth of the matter.
In my opinion Hampsey was at fault. He gave a poor handpass, end of story. It was a mistake , not a hanging offence
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on February 07, 2018, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 07, 2018, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 04:10:15 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 07, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 07, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
What's up with David Mulgrew?

He had surgery on his shoulder

Cheers GlenMan. Any idea when he had surgery or when we may see him back?

Haven't had a chance to post properly since the Dublin game but I believe it wasn't a bad showing. There was enough change in emphasis for me to take notice with the long early ball going into McAliskey and Brennan. We had more presence and support around the HF line and some excellent support runs breaking through the Dubs HB line. Obviously, the shooting in the 2nd half let us down a bagful but that will improve significantly as the pitches harden and weather calms down a bit. Put it like like this, the Dubs didn't hit a wide in the second half compared to our horror show. There is a gap there that can be worked on.

The second goal for Dublin was totally Hampsey's fault. Some here are giving Morgan stick for being out there but he was doing the right thing. Dublin had a full press on so Morgan came out for the 1-2 to create the extra man. If the ball went to his chest he had a clear run out to the HB line.

If you get a chance listen to the second half of the GAA hour podcast, Wooly and Cian Ward gave a very good analysis of the game.

Think this is one of these times when people are happy to blame a player they seem to have a dislike for, rather than the actual truth of the matter here.

In your opinion what is the truth of the matter.
In my opinion Hampsey was at fault. He gave a poor handpass, end of story. It was a mistake , not a hanging offence

I think he means people like to kick Morgan around. I don't think he means no one likes hampsey.

I would blame hampsey for it too. Morgan was doing the right thing, it was just a tired hand pass. I'm very disappointed with how we tired in the last 20 mins. Richie, matty,Mc Laughlin,  Pete, hampsey, Mc Carron and Mc Clure all looked fucked after 50 mins and I think it contributed to the wides at that time of the match. Tired minds making mistakes. Dublin are incredibly fit. I don't think people realise the gap in fitness between them and the next Top 3 teams. It is frankly un-natural. Bear in mind there's a serious difference in fitness between the top 8 teams and the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 07, 2018, 10:54:34 PM
i dont think dublin are much ahead of everyone else fitness wise. just better coached. makes them look fitter cause they are so slick and enjoying their football, gives them a spring in their step. tyrone were on their 6th game of the year and dublin their second, so how could dublin be so much fitter than tyrone in the last 20 mins?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 08, 2018, 06:48:37 AM
the fitness thing only becomes a big issue in the last 15 minutes when a team has to do a lot of chasing, and unfortunately tyrones lovely direct football in first half was more to do with the wind than anything else.  the coaching set up has had that much stick they eventually caved to a change. second half different story tyrone back to the sideways shite as they havent the ballers to kick it long when pressed nor the stomach to break lines. once dublin started soring easily in the second half and the difference in class became more apparent heads dropped and the panic set in. pyschologically the heads go down, the damage from the annihilation in the summer is imbedded in the psyche of this group. i would have thought any team that got roasted in croker the way tyrone did in he summer woud need 7 changes at least. it must be quite demoralising for us all to think that mickey  has been hammering for 3 months and the dubs have been back 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2018, 12:12:30 PM
What team would we like to see for Sunday? I'm going for the following

                        Morgan (Could be O'Neill due to rotation)

McLaughlin         McCarron          McKernan

McCann              Hampsey          Harte

            M Donnelly           McClure

R Donnelly          Sludden            McShane

Lee Brennan        McAliskey         Bradley


I think McLauglin did enough last week to earn another start with a few great tackles. Also think McKernan did well when he came on and is definitely worth persevering with. I read that McNamee has been struggling with flu and after playing Sigerson midweek could probably do with a rest.

I noticed McClure had strapping on his knee when he came off last week, was this the reason for his withdrawal? He had been getting himself into great positions although his shooting obviously let him down.

Richy Donnelly deserves a run of a few games i think. They way he plays with his head up and looks for the pass into the full forward line would definitely help us develop a new style of play even though some of these didn't come off last week. Also thought he did some great defensive work v Dublin.

Hoping to see a more attacking player brought in for Aiden McCrory. McShane spent very little time actually in at full forward last week and mostly operated around the middle so I've lined him out at wing forward and brought in Bradley. Think we could use Bradley in a similar role to the one he played in 2015 and where he currently plays for Jordanstown, in front of the full forward line playmaking and popping up with scores.

This would leave a full forward line of Skeet and Lee. Mindful that this would be Lee's 4th game in under two weeks between Sigerson and Tyrone although if he is fit I'm sure Mickey will be keen to give him another go after last week.

I realise the attacking extent of this side is maybe a bit extreme for Mickey's tastes and it's more likely we will see a Kieran McGeary or Ronan McNabb in for McCrory but the above is what I would like to see
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on February 08, 2018, 01:34:52 PM
Did T McCann come of injured vs Dublin?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 08, 2018, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2018, 12:12:30 PM
What team would we like to see for Sunday? I'm going for the following

                        Morgan (Could be O'Neill due to rotation)

McLaughlin         McCarron          McKernan

McCann              Hampsey          Harte

            M Donnelly           McClure

R Donnelly          Sludden            McShane

Lee Brennan        McAliskey         Bradley


I think McLauglin did enough last week to earn another start with a few great tackles. Also think McKernan did well when he came on and is definitely worth persevering with. I read that McNamee has been struggling with flu and after playing Sigerson midweek could probably do with a rest.

I noticed McClure had strapping on his knee when he came off last week, was this the reason for his withdrawal? He had been getting himself into great positions although his shooting obviously let him down.

Richy Donnelly deserves a run of a few games i think. They way he plays with his head up and looks for the pass into the full forward line would definitely help us develop a new style of play even though some of these didn't come off last week. Also thought he did some great defensive work v Dublin.

Hoping to see a more attacking player brought in for Aiden McCrory. McShane spent very little time actually in at full forward last week and mostly operated around the middle so I've lined him out at wing forward and brought in Bradley. Think we could use Bradley in a similar role to the one he played in 2015 and where he currently plays for Jordanstown, in front of the full forward line playmaking and popping up with scores.

This would leave a full forward line of Skeet and Lee. Mindful that this would be Lee's 4th game in under two weeks between Sigerson and Tyrone although if he is fit I'm sure Mickey will be keen to give him another go after last week.

I realise the attacking extent of this side is maybe a bit extreme for Mickey's tastes and it's more likely we will see a Kieran McGeary or Ronan McNabb in for McCrory but the above is what I would like to see

C. Cavanagh is back available I think unless he's over celebrated and maybe Harry Loughran will get a bit of game time after all his championship goals he may be worth a game or 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 08, 2018, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2018, 12:12:30 PM
What team would we like to see for Sunday? I'm going for the following

                        Morgan (Could be O'Neill due to rotation)

McLaughlin         McCarron          McKernan

McCann              Hampsey          Harte

            M Donnelly           McClure

R Donnelly          Sludden            McShane

Lee Brennan        McAliskey         Bradley


I think McLauglin did enough last week to earn another start with a few great tackles. Also think McKernan did well when he came on and is definitely worth persevering with. I read that McNamee has been struggling with flu and after playing Sigerson midweek could probably do with a rest.

I noticed McClure had strapping on his knee when he came off last week, was this the reason for his withdrawal? He had been getting himself into great positions although his shooting obviously let him down.

Richy Donnelly deserves a run of a few games i think. They way he plays with his head up and looks for the pass into the full forward line would definitely help us develop a new style of play even though some of these didn't come off last week. Also thought he did some great defensive work v Dublin.

Hoping to see a more attacking player brought in for Aiden McCrory. McShane spent very little time actually in at full forward last week and mostly operated around the middle so I've lined him out at wing forward and brought in Bradley. Think we could use Bradley in a similar role to the one he played in 2015 and where he currently plays for Jordanstown, in front of the full forward line playmaking and popping up with scores.

This would leave a full forward line of Skeet and Lee. Mindful that this would be Lee's 4th game in under two weeks between Sigerson and Tyrone although if he is fit I'm sure Mickey will be keen to give him another go after last week.

I realise the attacking extent of this side is maybe a bit extreme for Mickey's tastes and it's more likely we will see a Kieran McGeary or Ronan McNabb in for McCrory but the above is what I would like to see

C. Cavanagh is back available I think unless he's over celebrated and maybe Harry Loughran will get a bit of game time after all his championship goals he may be worth a game or 2.

I was listening to Colm Cav on Newstalk last night, he is struggling with the flu at the minute and indicated that this weekend might come to early for him. Agree Harry Loughran will probably get a game or two at some stage but I don't expect it to be this weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 08, 2018, 06:46:16 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 08, 2018, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2018, 12:12:30 PM
What team would we like to see for Sunday? I'm going for the following

                        Morgan (Could be O'Neill due to rotation)

McLaughlin         McCarron          McKernan

McCann              Hampsey          Harte

            M Donnelly           McClure

R Donnelly          Sludden            McShane

Lee Brennan        McAliskey         Bradley


I think McLauglin did enough last week to earn another start with a few great tackles. Also think McKernan did well when he came on and is definitely worth persevering with. I read that McNamee has been struggling with flu and after playing Sigerson midweek could probably do with a rest.

I noticed McClure had strapping on his knee when he came off last week, was this the reason for his withdrawal? He had been getting himself into great positions although his shooting obviously let him down.

Richy Donnelly deserves a run of a few games i think. They way he plays with his head up and looks for the pass into the full forward line would definitely help us develop a new style of play even though some of these didn't come off last week. Also thought he did some great defensive work v Dublin.

Hoping to see a more attacking player brought in for Aiden McCrory. McShane spent very little time actually in at full forward last week and mostly operated around the middle so I've lined him out at wing forward and brought in Bradley. Think we could use Bradley in a similar role to the one he played in 2015 and where he currently plays for Jordanstown, in front of the full forward line playmaking and popping up with scores.

This would leave a full forward line of Skeet and Lee. Mindful that this would be Lee's 4th game in under two weeks between Sigerson and Tyrone although if he is fit I'm sure Mickey will be keen to give him another go after last week.

I realise the attacking extent of this side is maybe a bit extreme for Mickey's tastes and it's more likely we will see a Kieran McGeary or Ronan McNabb in for McCrory but the above is what I would like to see

C. Cavanagh is back available I think unless he's over celebrated and maybe Harry Loughran will get a bit of game time after all his championship goals he may be worth a game or 2.

I was listening to Colm Cav on Newstalk last night, he is struggling with the flu at the minute and indicated that this weekend might come to early for him. Agree Harry Loughran will probably get a game or two at some stage but I don't expect it to be this weekend

Ah yes, the old flu one.

Used it the odd Monday back in the day myself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 09, 2018, 10:56:15 AM
Moys players should be given a few weeks off,  if Tyrone can't stay in Div 1 without them--so be it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on February 09, 2018, 10:57:47 AM
We were much better when the team was named on a Thursday night!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 09, 2018, 03:35:34 PM
Niall Morgan; Hugh Pat McGeary, Padraig Hampsey, Cathal McCarron; Tiarnan McCann, Rory Brennan, Ciaran McLaughlin; Mattie Donnelly, Declan McClure; Conor Meyler, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Cathal McShane, Connor McAliskey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 09, 2018, 04:39:27 PM
I like the look of that team, looking forward to this game now. For those that can't make it it is deferred on TG4 at around 5pm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 09, 2018, 04:41:48 PM
Nice to see Lee Brennan named again, another good test for him this week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 09, 2018, 06:57:58 PM
Like the look of the team also, 
Don't like to single one man out,  but Cathal mccarronn well well off the pace now.
Fine servant over this past decade but jesus lads there has to better about at this stage.  Its up to others to take the shirt of Cathal, what's taking so long?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 09, 2018, 07:05:25 PM
Quote from: God14 on February 09, 2018, 06:57:58 PM
Like the look of the team also, 
Don't like to single one man out,  but Cathal mccarronn well well off the pace now.
Fine servant over this past decade but jesus lads there has to better about at this stage.  Its up to others to take the shirt of Cathal, what's taking so long?

is up to Harte to hand the jersey over... Michael McKernan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on February 09, 2018, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 09, 2018, 04:41:48 PM
Nice to see Lee Brennan named again, another good test for him this week.

He's been looking really sharp, but lets hope he doesn't end up like young Clifford and Moran in Kerry and getting hurt out of high intensity games every few days with Sigerson and league this last wile
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 10, 2018, 12:37:15 AM
It amazes me why players like McCarron and McCrory are in contention when they can't defend(Colm will bail us out) or can't shoot. What doesn't greybeard put two extra "forwards" onto the team instead. The wides Tyrone have been kicking has been their problem this last ten years. As for beating Kildare this weekend I think it will be very tough as these players are psychologically finished after last August.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 10, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 10, 2018, 12:37:15 AM
It amazes me why players like McCarron and McCrory are in contention when they can't defend(Colm will bail us out) or can't shoot. What doesn't greybeard put two extra "forwards" onto the team instead. The wides Tyrone have been kicking has been their problem this last ten years. As for beating Kildare this weekend I think it will be very tough as these players are psychologically finished after last August.

😂 I've said it before, some people on here have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm interested in the evidence to back up this gem of analysis.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 10, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 10, 2018, 12:37:15 AM
It amazes me why players like McCarron and McCrory are in contention when they can't defend(Colm will bail us out) or can't shoot. What doesn't greybeard put two extra "forwards" onto the team instead. The wides Tyrone have been kicking has been their problem this last ten years. As for beating Kildare this weekend I think it will be very tough as these players are psychologically finished after last August.

😂 I've said it before, some people on here have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm interested in the evidence to back up this gem of analysis.
What a clown 🤡 big frog. Further proof you should be with duffys circus.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 10, 2018, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 10, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 10, 2018, 12:37:15 AM
It amazes me why players like McCarron and McCrory are in contention when they can't defend(Colm will bail us out) or can't shoot. What doesn't greybeard put two extra "forwards" onto the team instead. The wides Tyrone have been kicking has been their problem this last ten years. As for beating Kildare this weekend I think it will be very tough as these players are psychologically finished after last August.

😂 I've said it before, some people on here have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm interested in the evidence to back up this gem of analysis.
What a clown 🤡 big frog. Further proof you should be with duffys circus.
how can I put this, mmm were shit and we are bottom of the league and further embarrassment is ahead this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 10, 2018, 01:07:12 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 10, 2018, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 10, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 10, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 10, 2018, 12:37:15 AM
It amazes me why players like McCarron and McCrory are in contention when they can't defend(Colm will bail us out) or can't shoot. What doesn't greybeard put two extra "forwards" onto the team instead. The wides Tyrone have been kicking has been their problem this last ten years. As for beating Kildare this weekend I think it will be very tough as these players are psychologically finished after last August.

😂 I've said it before, some people on here have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm interested in the evidence to back up this gem of analysis.
What a clown 🤡 big frog. Further proof you should be with duffys circus.
how can I put this, mmm were shit and we are bottom of the league and further embarrassment is ahead this year.

😂 You're a proper drama queen Big Dog. It's two games into the league. We lost a shitty game away to a decent Galway team (whose form has since been franked in Donegal) and then lost to one of the best teams the game has ever seen. Our opponents on Sunday have experienced the odd nightmare against Dublin in recent years. Maybe they are psychologically finished too so that will cancel out our same problem.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 10, 2018, 01:28:55 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 10, 2018, 12:37:15 AM
It amazes me why players like McCarron and McCrory are in contention when they can't defend(Colm will bail us out) or can't shoot. What doesn't greybeard put two extra "forwards" onto the team instead. The wides Tyrone have been kicking has been their problem this last ten years. As for beating Kildare this weekend I think it will be very tough as these players are psychologically finished after last August.

Kildare have taken enough of those hammerings from Dublin to psychologically finished for good to be fair. It should be the easiest 2 points Tyrone can get this season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 10, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
i thing Thebigdog makes a fair point regarding pyshcological scars. we could be entering a post meath '96 scenario which took us 3 or 4 yrs to get over. and that was with new mangagement, could be worse this time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 10, 2018, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 10, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
i thing Thebigdog makes a fair point regarding pyshcological scars. we could be entering a post meath '96 scenario which took us 3 or 4 yrs to get over. and that was with new mangagement, could be worse this time.

So. Based on this pysc scaring Tyrone should hammer Donegal in a few weeks time. Unless the new manager thing works!

:)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 10, 2018, 09:32:03 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 10, 2018, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 10, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
i thing Thebigdog makes a fair point regarding pyshcological scars. we could be entering a post meath '96 scenario which took us 3 or 4 yrs to get over. and that was with new mangagement, could be worse this time.

So. Based on this pysc scaring Tyrone should hammer Donegal in a few weeks time. Unless the new manager thing works!

:)
hammer donegal? new manager?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 11, 2018, 09:18:07 AM
sweeper watch today lads 1 13-8 2 evens 3 sweepers 6-4 today will tell you all you need to know. anymore than 1 in a must win game and its the same old bolloxs. hopefully the kildare no 11 will have the correct moral fibre and follow hampsey up the field to negate the need for 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
Tyrone supporters have learnt a lot today. Cathal Mc Shane, Conor Meyler and Lee Brennan are the new leaders in this Tyrone senior team. Why Brennan was taken off with 15 mins left was very odd and how the manager blanked him was equally disturbing. We had a free near the end on the right hand side and Mr anonymous Peter Harte duly kicked it wide when Brennan was on the bench.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 11, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
Tyrone supporters have learnt a lot today. Cathal Mc Shane, Conor Meyler and Lee Brennan are the new leaders in this Tyrone senior team. Why Brennan was taken off with 15 mins left was very odd and how the manager blanked him was equally disturbing. We had a free near the end on the right hand side and Mr anonymous Peter Harte duly kicked it wide when Brennan was on the bench.

You saw no leadership from the captain then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 11, 2018, 07:29:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
Tyrone supporters have learnt a lot today. Cathal Mc Shane, Conor Meyler and Lee Brennan are the new leaders in this Tyrone senior team. Why Brennan was taken off with 15 mins left was very odd and how the manager blanked him was equally disturbing. We had a free near the end on the right hand side and Mr anonymous Peter Harte duly kicked it wide when Brennan was on the bench.

You saw no leadership from the captain then?

Def Mattie did a few big Sean Cavanagh like points... not sure Mickey gets Lee Brennan and pandered to public opinion rather than his belief in him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on February 11, 2018, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 11, 2018, 09:18:07 AM
sweeper watch today lads 1 13-8 2 evens 3 sweepers 6-4 today will tell you all you need to know. anymore than 1 in a must win game and its the same old bolloxs. hopefully the kildare no 11 will have the correct moral fibre and follow hampsey up the field to negate the need for 2.

Were you on the sauce early or just finishing up from the night before?  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 11, 2018, 08:05:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 11, 2018, 07:29:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
Tyrone supporters have learnt a lot today. Cathal Mc Shane, Conor Meyler and Lee Brennan are the new leaders in this Tyrone senior team. Why Brennan was taken off with 15 mins left was very odd and how the manager blanked him was equally disturbing. We had a free near the end on the right hand side and Mr anonymous Peter Harte duly kicked it wide when Brennan was on the bench.

You saw no leadership from the captain then?

Def Mattie did a few big Sean Cavanagh like points... not sure Mickey gets Lee Brennan and pandered to public opinion rather than his belief in him
Rte ban will be gone then so.
Good to see us stick with one man dropping  back in the first half, not sure what the hell was going on second half. Was our full forward line tracking their man all the time when Kildare had procession or were we trying to hid them on the break. Hopefully somebody at it will know. We were poor all round with individual errors and wiped out at midfield. Still got the win.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on February 11, 2018, 08:09:32 PM
Decent performances from McShane and Meyler. Donnelly seems to be in great shape and making the right decisions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 11, 2018, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 26, 2017, 09:07:31 PM
I notice Cathal McShane coming in for some criticism on here. Hard to know why a sub that gets 18 mins gets the blame today. However, it is far to say that he has been somewhat off the pace the last 2-3 games. Someone further back states they have yet to see him contribute for Tyrone. Well they obviously weren't at the Derry game last year, where he was in the top 2-3 performers, and the Cavan game in the Ulster SF (Can't mind which one) where he was Tyrone's MOTM.

However, I think the fella is being flogged to death and badly managed.

Cathal started the 2015 season early with the Tyrone U21s, and as we know Tyrone got an extended run, with Cathal MOTM in the final. He went straight from that into the Tyrone senior squad, coupled with our senior side. Owen Roes season ended on 22nd Nov 2015.
He got 2 weeks rest before he was back out with Tyrone seniors in the O Fiach Cup which was 13th December 2015. Two weeks rest!

The O'Fiach Cup final was 20th December 2015, and Cathal was out in January with Tyrone U21s and the senior side (Top scorer from play in the 2016 final) via the McKenna Cup. It was then into the NFL and back to Club football. Again our last game of 2016 was on 12th November.

Then it was straight to training with St Marys and getting ready for the McKenna/ Sigerson, not to mention being back with Tyrone and the O Fiach Cup on 11th Dec. January was McKenna Cup, National League, and Sigerson Cup. Then it'll be Tyrone ACL action 2 weeks today.

Bar all that I've no idea why he looks a bit off the pace and jaded.

With the Club season for us ending early this year, no play offs, and no U21 duty, the rest, that I mentioned was badly needed, appears to have helped Cathal start the season with some promise.

Someone should do a study on the impact that too much games and training has on a player's performance.

I am not saying he's going to be POTY but sometimes, and I'd be guilty myself, people post things, only with a 1D view.

Thank fake for the win today!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 08:39:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
Tyrone supporters have learnt a lot today. Cathal Mc Shane, Conor Meyler and Lee Brennan are the new leaders in this Tyrone senior team. Why Brennan was taken off with 15 mins left was very odd and how the manager blanked him was equally disturbing. We had a free near the end on the right hand side and Mr anonymous Peter Harte duly kicked it wide when Brennan was on the bench.

You saw no leadership from the captain then?
Matty certainly pulled it out of the fire at the end and has to be commended. A good leader though has to show a consistency in their performance, the other lads I have mentioned do that  and that is what is required in leadership. We have seen that in all the great Tyrone captains of the past. Matty Donnelly though can prove me wrong and as the season goes on, I hope he does.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 11, 2018, 08:45:41 PM
big 2 points today. mattie with a fab winner. not sure the overall performance would be good enough to win any of the remaining 4 games though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 11, 2018, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 08:39:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
Tyrone supporters have learnt a lot today. Cathal Mc Shane, Conor Meyler and Lee Brennan are the new leaders in this Tyrone senior team. Why Brennan was taken off with 15 mins left was very odd and how the manager blanked him was equally disturbing. We had a free near the end on the right hand side and Mr anonymous Peter Harte duly kicked it wide when Brennan was on the bench.

You saw no leadership from the captain then?
Matty certainly pulled it out of the fire at the end and has to be commended. A good leader though has to show a consistency in their performance, the other lads I have mentioned do that  and that is what is required in leadership. We have seen that in all the great Tyrone captains of the past. Matty Donnelly though can prove me wrong and as the season goes on, I hope he does.

I'd be a big fan of those 3 lads you mentioned and I agree that they are definitely the future but to say that they are more "consistent in their performance" than Mattie Donnelly at this stage of their careers is just incorrect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on February 11, 2018, 09:18:08 PM
We're obviously playing higher up the pitch and it will lend itself to poorer defensive displays like today. Hugh pat and Hampsey doing a lot of fireman defending but bailed us out admirably. They're vital to the long term prospects this season.

As regards lee and skeet ending up defending it's not really a policy but they obviously have to follow their marker as he raids forward. I'd like to see us push up on opposition kick outs. We hand cheap possession away all the time and then flog the shit out of lee and skeet as 2 men chasing 3 men with the ball. It tires them and fucks them for preforming in the second half.

Couldn't complain with subbing lee, he's played a lot of football and he's flogged as I said chasing defenders that he shouldn't have to. Hartes missed free was far enough away, Lee would have it tight for range too. It's our right hand frees that's killing us, need someone to step up badly.

The Mc canns have been very quiet in the new season, Tiarnan in particular. Half backs weren't great today, needed to see more from them. Mc Laughlin has huge potential but tires too quickly, the stamina now needed for county football is immense, he could be 6-12 months getting to the level of Harte, donnellys, Hampseys and Mc cans level of fitness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on February 11, 2018, 09:22:16 PM
Sluden is a curate eggs too, an unbelievable stepper but such a poor finisher at times. People like to give mickey a hard time on here but surely he's looking at these fckers and saying to himself, "yer playing football since you could run how the f**k do ya not know where the posts are"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on February 11, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 10, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
i thing Thebigdog makes a fair point regarding pyshcological scars. we could be entering a post meath '96 scenario which took us 3 or 4 yrs to get over. and that was with new mangagement, could be worse this time.

Art and Eugene were the manager's around that time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 11, 2018, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on February 11, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 10, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
i thing Thebigdog makes a fair point regarding pyshcological scars. we could be entering a post meath '96 scenario which took us 3 or 4 yrs to get over. and that was with new mangagement, could be worse this time.

Art and Eugene were the manager's around that time.
not sure what ur point is but danny ball took over in '97.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 11, 2018, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 11, 2018, 07:29:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 11, 2018, 07:09:04 PM
Tyrone supporters have learnt a lot today. Cathal Mc Shane, Conor Meyler and Lee Brennan are the new leaders in this Tyrone senior team. Why Brennan was taken off with 15 mins left was very odd and how the manager blanked him was equally disturbing. We had a free near the end on the right hand side and Mr anonymous Peter Harte duly kicked it wide when Brennan was on the bench.

You saw no leadership from the captain then?

Def Mattie did a few big Sean Cavanagh like points... not sure Mickey gets Lee Brennan and pandered to public opinion rather than his belief in him
Aye Mickey is known for pandering to the public.
When Lee was picked for this game there were complaints he was playing too much ball with Sigeraon games..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 11, 2018, 09:49:20 PM
We have to be happy with two points there. That Kildare team were fighting for their lives to stay in Division 1 and we matched their hunger and more. Two points were key and we got that.

McKenna cup next weekend then hopefully two more points from our game in Castleblayney.

You're right trillickman, our shooting is horrendous recently. There can't be too many teams across all divisions with our wide totals.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on February 11, 2018, 09:57:49 PM
Not long in..

The Positives:
- we got what we went for, it was must a win game and the result was achieved.
- Donnellys winning point showed great leadership and self confidence kicking on his weaker side with ultimately the last kick of the game...this was the Donnelly of old..need more of it
- better fight in the second half when again it looked like the game was going away..unlike the last 2 games
-Mcshane is showing signs of improvement week on week

Negatives:
-Kildare are a div2 side..they are big, athletic but have no scoring forwards..their usual achilles hill (if i was a kildare supporter id be tearing my hair out at the amount of times Kildare fwds just ran into blind alleys getting continually overturned)
-ive a feeling todays 2 teams were the favs for relegation..hope im wrong
-our fwd line is still poor overall...mcaliskey i just cant work out..too inconsistent over the 70 mins... mccurry came on looked sharp then faded...Sludden is not as effective as hes been in previous seasons especially shot selection
Lee Brennan prob the pick up front...Meyeler does serious work but just refuses to shoot
-Petey again going missing for too long

a couple of big battles ahead....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 11, 2018, 10:04:46 PM
Tyrone quite bland at the moment with the first half display v Dublin the highlight. Good to get the points today but think we will just about stay up.,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on February 12, 2018, 09:19:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 11, 2018, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on February 11, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 10, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
i thing Thebigdog makes a fair point regarding pyshcological scars. we could be entering a post meath '96 scenario which took us 3 or 4 yrs to get over. and that was with new mangagement, could be worse this time.

Art and Eugene were the manager's around that time.
not sure what ur point is but danny ball took over in '97.
Maybe you do know the point.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on February 12, 2018, 10:37:03 AM
Good to get the win yesterday, would have been virtually down had they lost. As others have said encouraging performances from Conor Myler and McShane. Great scores in 2nd half from Matty, off either foot. He needs to be doing that more often though. He normally picks the ball up between the 21 and 45 and brings it out past midfield. He really needs to be the man picking it up in the opposition half and driving at the defence to either win a scorable free or take the shot himself. He's probably the best kicker from distance (remember his 3 from play in AI semi against Mayo).

I couldn't believe Morgan in the 1st half. He went to catch 1 Kildare shot that was miles wide, was under no pressure and he dropped it out giving away a 45 that their keeper then kicked over. He also took a short kick-out to Hampsey who wasn't outside the 21, ref threw the ball up, Kildare got a free and another handy point. 2 stupid, mindless mistakes that could have cost Tyrone the game.

The shooting is consistently woeful, maybe it's just because I'm supporting Tyrone but they always seem to kick double-figures in wides each game and kick way more than the opposition. I saw McBrearty on Saturday night and Tyrone have no-one near his calibre in terms of accuracy. The right-footed frees are a major issue - can Matty not hit these? McAliskey is not up to the task in terms of frees and it looks increasingly likely from play either. He might get the odd wonder point but you can't imagine him kicking 5 or 6 from play against any decent opposition. He has no composure on goal chances either. Great work-rate alright but not a reliable scorer.

Harte was quiet again. Thought McGeary did well in patches, won a few 1-on-1 against his direct marker. McCarron looks like he is well past his best at this stage. Also don't understand how C McCann continues to get game-time, he has been average at best in every Tyrone appearance since the Derry championship game last year - hard to think of 1 highlight in the intervening period. Is McClure injured or what?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 12, 2018, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on February 09, 2018, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 09, 2018, 04:41:48 PM
Nice to see Lee Brennan named again, another good test for him this week.

He's been looking really sharp, but lets hope he doesn't end up like young Clifford and Moran in Kerry and getting hurt out of high intensity games every few days with Sigerson and league this last wile

Completely agree - seen enough in these two league games - he can do it at intercounty level. We now need to protect a special talent best we can. See no reason for him to play in McKenna Cup to be honest if he's in any way showing effects to the recent burst of fixtures.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 12, 2018, 11:33:53 AM
I think Donegal will give Tyrone a good test in the McKenna Cup final.  Because of where the teams are positioned and that the league is underway then all of a sudden I'm of the opinion that this is now a relevant fixture to see where both teams are at.  As long as Donegal field a strong side Tyrone should face probably the best forward in the country at the minute in McBrearty. 

Donegal and Bonnar will be out to end Tyrone's dominance in this competition.  If Tyrone are able to get the win a bit of momentum might kick in and leave the team well prepared to face Monaghan in another tough league encounter. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on February 12, 2018, 12:02:34 PM
Donegal will be fielding a second string as they previously done in the semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 12, 2018, 12:15:09 PM
I would expect a bit of rotation from Tyrone as well considering this weekend was originally designed to be a break in the league. I would expect Harry Loughran to get some game time as well as others who haven't had a start in a few weeks. Thinking of Ronan O'Neill, Ronan McNabb, possibly Ronan McHugh and Brendan Burns as well as Michael Cassidy if he is fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on February 12, 2018, 02:23:04 PM
cant see anything than 2nd strings..the league game in a few weeks is now of far more importance and should be a hum dinger...that said id expect to see Murphy this weekend as he looked rusty v the Dubs...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 13, 2018, 09:27:24 PM
Looks like Tiernan McCann is out for at least two months with a knee injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 13, 2018, 10:20:33 PM
Hope he receives better treatment finance wise than last year.Big loss as he has improved so much since his debut.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 13, 2018, 11:07:20 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 13, 2018, 10:20:33 PM
Hope he receives better treatment finance wise than last year.Big loss as he has improved so much since his debut.
I'd say he has his own insurance out. Anybody that works should have it. I know a lad 3 years nearly and still no cheque from the gaa injury scheme. Broken arm he had
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 13, 2018, 11:48:25 PM
just watched the entire kildare game again and it was poor stuff. we played exactly the same style of football that we have done this last few years. no ball kicked into full forward line again, then we ended up with entire ff line back in defense. towards the end mark bradley was left up front on his own again and got one high ball lobbed into him from mc shane. a better team than kildare would have punished us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on February 14, 2018, 12:38:43 AM
What happened him finance wise last year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2018, 09:26:02 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 14, 2018, 12:38:43 AM
What happened him finance wise last year?

He's a pharmacist, works freelance in Dublin. No work = no money.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 14, 2018, 02:07:02 PM
How bad is his knee?
Can he not walk on it. Maybe he can still work.

What's happened Ronan McNamee this year (and last)?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 03:20:25 PM
Heard mc namee and mark Bradley have fell out of favour with mickey. Both caught boozing after one of the Wednesday sigerson games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on February 14, 2018, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 03:20:25 PM
Heard mc namee and mark Bradley have fell out of favour with mickey. Both caught boozing after one of the Wednesday sigerson games.

Caught? I know Sparky looks young but he's of age. Was Mickey hiding in the bushes/back of the Hatfield or something? Is it a team of monks he wants? Lord help them, training ground fodder 2018 if you get on the wrong side of the Godly one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 14, 2018, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 14, 2018, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 03:20:25 PM
Heard mc namee and mark Bradley have fell out of favour with mickey. Both caught boozing after one of the Wednesday sigerson games.

Caught? I know Sparky looks young but he's of age. Was Mickey hiding in the bushes/back of the Hatfield or something? Is it a team of monks he wants? Lord help them, training ground fodder 2018 if you get on the wrong side of the Godly one.

Wouldn't be hard to catch, its all over the different forms of social media some of the house parties being held after UUJ victories.  I say fair play to the lads, there students enjoy these days, savour the victories.  If you cant enjoy the big victories why play football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 14, 2018, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 14, 2018, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 14, 2018, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 03:20:25 PM
Heard mc namee and mark Bradley have fell out of favour with mickey. Both caught boozing after one of the Wednesday sigerson games.

Caught? I know Sparky looks young but he's of age. Was Mickey hiding in the bushes/back of the Hatfield or something? Is it a team of monks he wants? Lord help them, training ground fodder 2018 if you get on the wrong side of the Godly one.

Wouldn't be hard to catch, its all over the different forms of social media some of the house parties being held after UUJ victories.  I say fair play to the lads, there students enjoy these days, savour the victories.  If you cant enjoy the big victories why play football?

100 Tyrone GAA

This is whats wrong with the GAA right now, we keep forgetting its an amateur sport with lifestyles still to live. You play for the enjoyment and take enough bad days, so when a good win comes along I believe it should be celebrated also
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 14, 2018, 07:11:25 PM
Lads, this is gathering pace and its coming from one of the most unreliable sources i have ever read on this especially when it comes to harte. As far as i can see they both came on at the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 14, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 14, 2018, 07:11:25 PM
Lads, this is gathering pace and its coming from one of the most unreliable sources i have ever read on this especially when it comes to harte. As far as i can see they both came on at the weekend?
Sure mcnamee started against Galway as well. Same people seem to hate Harte that much they will keep making shit up. Ive already had to pull another poster into line on his fibs on Harte
In all of hartes years he's never called a drink ban. Mugsy was saying recently that his biggest regret was not giving it the best of his ability. He could have been one of the all time greats.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:15:26 PM
It happened the week of the Dublin game. Both were dropped. Mc namee playin shite anyway and hard to know where Bradley stands. I'm not stirring btw, just someone asked about mc namee.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 14, 2018, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:15:26 PM
It happened the week of the Dublin game. Both were dropped. Mc namee playin shite anyway and hard to know where Bradley stands. I'm not stirring btw, just someone asked about mc namee.

You are making up crap, wise up and grow up you clown
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 14, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 14, 2018, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:15:26 PM
It happened the week of the Dublin game. Both were dropped. Mc namee playin shite anyway and hard to know where Bradley stands. I'm not stirring btw, just someone asked about mc namee.

You are making up crap, wise up and grow up you clown

Censorship at its finest
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 11:36:59 PM
well if its lies im telling then its lies i was told. but this guy a student in the uni and knows the craic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2018, 08:22:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:15:26 PM
It happened the week of the Dublin game. Both were dropped. Mc namee playin shite anyway and hard to know where Bradley stands. I'm not stirring btw, just someone asked about mc namee.

Given Bradley didn't start against Galway how was he dropped for the Dublin game? McNamee got took off early in the Galway game after a poor display by his standards. That was more than likely the reason he got dropped. But sure carry on making up whatever stories suit your agenda.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 15, 2018, 09:22:38 AM
Ronan substituted last night for UUJ maybe its just poor form.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 15, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Mickey in the Irish news today talking about media with an anti Tyrone 'agenda'. He would be safer sayin nothin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 15, 2018, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 15, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Mickey in the Irish news today talking about media with an anti Tyrone 'agenda'. He would be safer sayin nothin.

I though he didn't read the papers... so he told Irish Times
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 15, 2018, 11:56:50 AM
Sorry if this point annoys some people and I know I've brought it up before but is 2018 the year we once and for all sort out our free taking PROBLEM and yes in my eyes it is a PROBLEM.

Is it not fair to say that most of the top teams have all got quality free takers in that they score most of the frees that they attempt and know their limits.
Yes Dean Rock is at a higher level but why is that? Is it just cos he comes from good stock or is it as simply as practice practice practice.

Mayo have Cillian O'Connor, Kerry have O'Donoghue and Geaney, Donegal have Murphy and McBrearty, even Monaghan have a far better free taker than us.
The reason I bring it up AGAIN is that as far as I see nothing is being done to improve the situation and whilst there is all this talk of a change to our style of play if you think back to the matches we've lost over the last few years, more often that not it's because we're not taking our chances.
Its got to the stage with me now that when we win a free I actually expect us to miss it now.

I hope Lee Brennan, Peter Harte and Skeet are the answer but I'd like to see them stop the chopping and changing and just settle on 2 takers. This nonsense of well if I missed the last one then maybe you have a go at this wan is totally undermining any players confidence.
Hopefully have SoN in there will sort out some of that problem but if we do nothing else in 2018 can we at least get some consistency.

I appreciate its hard to judge this time of year with the weather so bad with wind and wet ground but come summer I just think the other team get such a lift when they see us hiding wide after wide especially when Morgan comes up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 15, 2018, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 15, 2018, 11:56:50 AM
Sorry if this point annoys some people and I know I've brought it up before but is 2018 the year we once and for all sort out our free taking PROBLEM and yes in my eyes it is a PROBLEM.

Is it not fair to say that most of the top teams have all got quality free takers in that they score most of the frees that they attempt and know their limits.
Yes Dean Rock is at a higher level but why is that? Is it just cos he comes from good stock or is it as simply as practice practice practice.

Mayo have Cillian O'Connor, Kerry have O'Donoghue and Geaney, Donegal have Murphy and McBrearty, even Monaghan have a far better free taker than us.
The reason I bring it up AGAIN is that as far as I see nothing is being done to improve the situation and whilst there is all this talk of a change to our style of play if you think back to the matches we've lost over the last few years, more often that not it's because we're not taking our chances.
Its got to the stage with me now that when we win a free I actually expect us to miss it now.

I hope Lee Brennan, Peter Harte and Skeet are the answer but I'd like to see them stop the chopping and changing and just settle on 2 takers. This nonsense of well if I missed the last one then maybe you have a go at this wan is totally undermining any players confidence.
Hopefully have SoN in there will sort out some of that problem but if we do nothing else in 2018 can we at least get some consistency.

I appreciate its hard to judge this time of year with the weather so bad with wind and wet ground but come summer I just think the other team get such a lift when they see us hiding wide after wide especially when Morgan comes up.

It's Mickey Harte's fault he's up there in the first place, he should be nowhere near the kicks. It's different at club level where he bangs them over - his body is warmed up and ready when he's outfield for the club. When your in nets, not to annoy our goalkeepers of the board but essentially you just stand there for the vast majority of the game barking orders. How can you be ready? The run up, you've too much going on in your mind. It's just a waste of time, unless of course you are Stephen Cluxton.

Sean Cavanagh had no bother kicking these scores for the Moy in the last few weeks, why did he not step up, as captain in the past few years?

Morgan is a sacrificial lamb no harm, the 14 lads outfield on any given day are the 14 best that Tyrone have to offer their opposition, if we can't muster a score from free kicks from those guys then that says more about what Tyrone Club Football is producing to be honest.

Agree totally with Fuzzman, until Tyrone sort out the freekick taking, they'll remain a tier two team as the best, Dublin/Mayo and Kerry will know rightly they can get away with tactical fouls in and around the limits of the 45.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 16, 2018, 08:01:04 AM
"Sean Cavanagh had no bother kicking these scores for the Moy in the last few weeks, why did he not step up, as captain in the past few years?"


He did.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 16, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
Yeah Cavanagh took most of the right sided frees last year and Harte the one's on the left. The only one's Morgan got a go at it were one's outside Cavanagh's range.  Free's weren't as much of an issue last year though I'd still have concerns about them this year.

Looking at the team sheet for Saturday it confirm's that Harte is more than happy to mix it up in the McKenna Cup. It's a myth that he only wins it by playing stronger teams than the opposition.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 16, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 16, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
Yeah Cavanagh took most of the right sided frees last year and Harte the one's on the left. The only one's Morgan got a go at it were one's outside Cavanagh's range.  Free's weren't as much of an issue last year though I'd still have concerns about them this year.

Looking at the team sheet for Saturday it confirm's that Harte is more than happy to mix it up in the McKenna Cup. It's a myth that he only wins it by playing stronger teams than the opposition.

LOL ......... Oh your actually serious

Harte has constantly played several senior players in the competition while others like Donegal have played their Under 21's and many others have used it as trial games for the league. If this game had of been played before the league started, Tyrone would have a much stronger team out. This gives fringe players a game to keep them from walking
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 16, 2018, 10:03:58 AM
I like the look of the Tyrone selection.  It is a strong line up and Mickey is looking to hold onto his McKenna Cup.  I'm expecting a strong Donegal line up also, not aware if it has been released yet. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 16, 2018, 10:05:49 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 16, 2018, 08:01:04 AM
"Sean Cavanagh had no bother kicking these scores for the Moy in the last few weeks, why did he not step up, as captain in the past few years?"


He did.....

Did he really? I'm not talking about the handy 30 yard ones out. Anyway, he's gone and the point remains. If the 14 best outfield players that are on any pitch representing Tyrone cannot pull a reliable kicker, I fail to see how things will improve. Sending a keeper up to take is purely playing percentage football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 16, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
Must be a last chance for several starters tomorrow night bench is full of first teamers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 16, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: Club boi on February 16, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 16, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
Yeah Cavanagh took most of the right sided frees last year and Harte the one's on the left. The only one's Morgan got a go at it were one's outside Cavanagh's range.  Free's weren't as much of an issue last year though I'd still have concerns about them this year.

Looking at the team sheet for Saturday it confirm's that Harte is more than happy to mix it up in the McKenna Cup. It's a myth that he only wins it by playing stronger teams than the opposition.

LOL ......... Oh your actually serious

Harte has constantly played several senior players in the competition while others like Donegal have played their Under 21's and many others have used it as trial games for the league. If this game had of been played before the league started, Tyrone would have a much stronger team out. This gives fringe players a game to keep them from walking

I'm 100% serious. Yes in a few of the years Donegal have played u21 teams but they're the only county to do that. And if you look at the teams Donegal put out this year it contained numerous starters. I remember the year after Donegal were in the all ireland final they played Tyrone with something like 11 starters from that team in a game in Letterkenny. Tyrone only had 4 or 5 first team players on.

Harte like every other manager has continually rotated his squad during the McKenna cup over the years. If you look back at the semi finals and finals over the last 7 years you will find on a lot of occasions the opposition had more first team players on than Tyrone. Tyrone most of the years have had a stronger squad than the other counties in ulster which is a big factor in the successes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 16, 2018, 12:20:49 PM
That's as poor a Tyrone team as I've seen in manys a year.  Would expect Donegal to win, fairly easily
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Boghopper on February 16, 2018, 12:44:34 PM
What odds about the McKenna Cup perserving our Division 1 status is more important.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on February 16, 2018, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 16, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: Club boi on February 16, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 16, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
Yeah Cavanagh took most of the right sided frees last year and Harte the one's on the left. The only one's Morgan got a go at it were one's outside Cavanagh's range.  Free's weren't as much of an issue last year though I'd still have concerns about them this year.

Looking at the team sheet for Saturday it confirm's that Harte is more than happy to mix it up in the McKenna Cup. It's a myth that he only wins it by playing stronger teams than the opposition.

LOL ......... Oh your actually serious

Harte has constantly played several senior players in the competition while others like Donegal have played their Under 21's and many others have used it as trial games for the league. If this game had of been played before the league started, Tyrone would have a much stronger team out. This gives fringe players a game to keep them from walking

I'm 100% serious. Yes in a few of the years Donegal have played u21 teams but they're the only county to do that. And if you look at the teams Donegal put out this year it contained numerous starters. I remember the year after Donegal were in the all ireland final they played Tyrone with something like 11 starters from that team in a game in Letterkenny. Tyrone only had 4 or 5 first team players on.

Harte like every other manager has continually rotated his squad during the McKenna cup over the years. If you look back at the semi finals and finals over the last 7 years you will find on a lot of occasions the opposition had more first team players on than Tyrone. Tyrone most of the years have had a stronger squad than the other counties in ulster which is a big factor in the successes.

Lol you're living up to your name. Complete dreamer. Tyrone have consistently named a much stronger team than any other county in the Mckenna cup for years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 17, 2018, 08:41:11 PM
captain mattie up to his old tricks again tonight. even second string tyrone incredibly poor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 17, 2018, 09:23:35 PM
By f**k you're one seriously moaning aul bollix. Do you ever just think why you bother watching if it's such a chore?

That was a meaningless game that allowed some of the fringe element to get a run out. The only thing I took from it was K McGeary was in fine form and McHugh played himself out of NFL time by wasting possession and taking on some crazy efforts.

Done and dusted and onwards to Castleblayney.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 17, 2018, 09:26:31 PM
meaningless game i know so all the more reason to try more kickpassing and attacking gameplan.same boring shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 17, 2018, 09:28:06 PM
Second string team mostly so it was Gona be tough. Mcgeary despite making mistakes played well. Mchugh nowhere near county level,as is Ben McDonnell. loughran worth another look.oneill is usual self, mcurry was mcurry . Micky oneill probably hard for him when your second string is out. Roman mcnabb hasn't recovered from the cruicate and probably won't. McShane looked like he only got out of bed. Pete Hartes form is a major concern
The league game will be feisty, led by the ginger Pinocchio they will be their usual trampish selves
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurlin
Post by: omagh_gael on February 17, 2018, 09:48:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 17, 2018, 09:26:31 PM
meaningless game i know so all the more reason to try more kickpassing and attacking gameplan.same boring shite.

But the gameplan is different, there is definitely more presence in the FF line and more ball is being kicked in. It's madness to aspire to replicate the likes of Dublin and Kerry in this regard as we simply don't have the players to pull it off. I'm happy enough with how the gameplan is progressing.

Red zone, agree re Petey Harte. He's been extremely subdued this season and hasn't got going at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on February 17, 2018, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 17, 2018, 09:23:35 PM
By f**k you're one seriously moaning aul bollix. Do you ever just think why you bother watching if it's such a chore?

That was a meaningless game that allowed some of the fringe element to get a run out. The only thing I took from it was K McGeary was in fine form and McHugh played himself out of NFL time by wasting possession and taking on some crazy efforts.

Done and dusted and onwards to Castleblayney.

Ignore STG. I know for fact he is from Fermanagh who is on here winding.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 12:00:57 AM
Just watched Mickey Harte's interview with BBC after the game. He's a man on the edge, the criticism is obviously getting to him and he didn't react well when questioned about the style Tyrone play with. A lot of what was in the answer was ok but the tone came across to me that he was rattled.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 18, 2018, 12:11:29 AM
Just saw that there now, I have never seen Mickey that rattled before. I hope BBC NI sent along extra drawers with their wardrobe dept as Sidebottom shite the togs there!!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 18, 2018, 12:46:07 AM
Bit to be done between now and the next, really meaningful, game involving the two of these teams. We'll see how that goes.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 18, 2018, 02:25:25 AM
I'd expect mickey to boycott the BBC from now on too. They have some cheek
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 18, 2018, 05:21:53 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 12:00:57 AM
Just watched Mickey Harte's interview with BBC after the game. He's a man on the edge, the criticism is obviously getting to him and he didn't react well when questioned about the style Tyrone play with. A lot of what was in the answer was ok but the tone came across to me that he was rattled.
Seen the interview alright, the man is totally deluded in what he is saying. The world and his wife knows what the problem is. White coats should be called. Bye bye Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 18, 2018, 07:01:57 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 12:00:57 AM
Just watched Mickey Harte's interview with BBC after the game. He's a man on the edge, the criticism is obviously getting to him and he didn't react well when questioned about the style Tyrone play with. A lot of what was in the answer was ok but the tone came across to me that he was rattled.
Haven't watched it yet but straight after the match during the handshakes he looked to be fuming. No doubt someone has rattled him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on February 18, 2018, 07:45:33 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 18, 2018, 07:01:57 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 12:00:57 AM
Just watched Mickey Harte's interview with BBC after the game. He's a man on the edge, the criticism is obviously getting to him and he didn't react well when questioned about the style Tyrone play with. A lot of what was in the answer was ok but the tone came across to me that he was rattled.
Haven't watched it yet but straight after the match during the handshakes he looked to be fuming. No doubt someone has rattled him

Harte was quite content to take all the praise and adulation during the glory years. He now seems unwilling or unable to accept any criticism when tyrone are suffering disappointing defeats in the big games. In fairness that was an enjoyable game last night and tyrone played their part. Might be the stephen o'neill effect but tyrone and donegal were a good bit more attacking than in the last few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 18, 2018, 08:14:23 AM
Harte definitely rattled by some pretty straightforward questioning.

All Sidebottom had to do when Harte was going on about these great point totals Tyrone were racking up before they met Dublin was ask....'fair enough Mickey, so when was the last time you beat Dublin, Mayo or Kerry in the Championship playing that style of football?' 'Do you really think serving up the same again will result in any different outcome against those three come semi final time?'

The only decent results we have had since 2008 in the championship have been v Donegal and v Monaghan. That's it.

Cork, Dublin, Armagh, Mayo and Kerry have all put us out since then, with only 2016 being anywY close. Even then we spent the last 15 min of a 1 point game playing defensive shite and not pushing up trying to get anything.

So I can't see how these tactics are doing anything for us when it comes to winning an all Ireland.

Now maybe it's because we just don't have the players and Harte is going this way to try and keep us somewhat competitive.  We definitely don't have a good enough forward unit, we have (bar Brennan) no reliable free taker and when we opened up v Kildare and last night our defence was found wanting. So if Harte is cutting cloth to suit that's ok, but no reason to take the head off Sidebottom for what were legitimate questions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 18, 2018, 08:15:31 AM
Harte talks about people's "lazy analysis" when saying every team plays defensive 'we re no different". The big teams or the big coaches have different gameplans for different matches whereas Tyrone have 1- 13- 1 and that's it. I do believe he and not everyone else suffers from "lazy analysis". Trying to make a fool out of Tyrone supporters it makes me sick!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 18, 2018, 09:17:08 AM
I'm not a Harte apologist, but to be fair to him we haven't been playing a one man FF line this year. There's been at least two men up for the vast majority of the time with more direct passing going in compared to last year.

I thought one of Sidebottom's earlier questions was on the ball, in that it appeared we were attempting to create much more goal chances. The last phase broke down but I think with a more confident FF line taking this approach over the coming months will make a difference in the summer.

It also annoys me when people give out about our tactics, it's not pleasing on the eye but wake up and smell the coffee. Look at the three teams that we can't eclipse when it matters. Their FF lines allow them to play in a way we can't. We don't have two to three men who are top notch ball winners alongside top class finishers. Kerry, Dublin and Mayo do. They also have expert 90% (or close to) free takers that keep the score board ticking over. We don't (yet).

Mayo have the least potent forward unit out of the top 3 but what they have is 7 top notch defenders who can go man to man no problem and do damage going forward too. Imagine if we had Higgins, Boyle, Keegan etc in defence. Do you still think Harte would play the system we play? No fecking chance. He is implementing what he thinks is our best strategy. Last year it was cruelly exposed and all we can really expect this year is a slight change in balance away from 1-13-1. We are seeing that slight amendment this year and those who think we'll change radically need their heads examined.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
Another thing to point out is the role of teamtalk as well. Every match they secure an interview with Mickey but they don't ask the tough questions. A manager should be put in awkward situations and questioned about where he sees the team going or what needs to change. Good journalism from Sidebottom and the BBC.

Teamtalk provide great coverage of our games and I very much appreciate that service but they need to be a bit more hardline to reflect the feelings of Tyrone Gaa fans.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 09:54:30 AM
fair play to sidebottom. asked the relevant questions instead of tip toeing round harte  like the irish news, ttm and the tyrone newspapers. mickey couldnt handle it and showed his true colours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 18, 2018, 10:53:43 AM
Sidebottom asked Harte the stereotyped question about new 2018 tactics. Harte rightly suggested were tactics that bad in 2017 before the Dublin game - they weren't, remember the build-up to that match, was like a final.

Sidebottom then said barstool-like he had only seen the Dublin game. So Harte was within his rights to give out and knew he was being interviewed by a bluffer (hence lazy analysis).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 11:00:14 AM
the dublin game last year was judgement day for the tyrone team and tactics. it failed miserably so obviously we need to change something tactically hence sidebottoms question.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 18, 2018, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 11:00:14 AM
the dublin game last year was judgement day for the tyrone team and tactics. it failed miserably so obviously we need to change something tactically hence sidebottoms question.
Have the tactics not changed this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 18, 2018, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 11:00:14 AM
the dublin game last year was judgement day for the tyrone team and tactics. it failed miserably so obviously we need to change something tactically hence sidebottoms question.
Have the tactics not changed this year?
im not so sure that much has changed. but my point was that sidebottom was well within his rights to ask mickey about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 18, 2018, 11:44:00 AM
I know I shouldn't take the bait but what do you suggest as a tactical alternative, STG? As far as I can see you're a problem picker. Easy place to be picking holes, harder job to offer constructive alternatives.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 18, 2018, 11:44:00 AM
I know I shouldn't take the bait but what do you suggest as a tactical alternative, STG? As far as I can see you're a problem picker. Easy place to be picking holes, harder job to offer constructive alternatives.
hard to know where to start but i think the biggest thing we need to do is get back to basics. forget about systems or tactics for now. use training sessions to get our players kicking the ball straight. what work are we doing on man to man marking? high fielding? how much shooting practice do they do? i believe thats why dublin, mayo and kerry are ahead of the pack. good coaching means they have perfected all the basic skills of the
game which leaves them able to play any system or tactics to suit each game. they are flexible. look at the guys jim gavin, eamon fitzmaurice and stephen rochford have in their backroom teams then look at ours. i think mickey has that much of a power grip on things now that it would be nigh on impossible for us make the improvements we need.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 18, 2018, 12:49:03 PM
They do all that at their training, Ive seen a few sessions. Sure that's basics
Surely it  was the players fault last year more than hartes. Sure the tactics worked in the previous games, why would we change it for the Dublin game. We couldn't even get a tackle in.
Anyway our big problem is the size of our full forward line. Always juking in behind and not strong enough to win it in front.Look who the teams u mentioned have, we don't have it yet. Would big colly be worth a shot at 14. The ball wouldn't need to be that accurate into him either if he lay on the square. MAybe later. He's needed at midfield thou.  Sludden at c.f is brilliant at running with the ball but either can't or won't look up and hit a long kick pass.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on February 18, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
The fact of the matter is Harte like any other run of the mill div 3 reserve manager picks the team 1-13-1 and that's all he has to offer. The players under his stewardship have not improved one bit. Poor coach and an even worse man manager. The country is laughing at Tyrone. Joke!Joke! Joke!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
How long is Ronan O'Neill been on the county panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 18, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
The fact of the matter is Harte like any other run of the mill div 3 reserve manager picks the team 1-13-1 and that's all he has to offer. The players under his stewardship have not improved one bit. Poor coach and an even worse man manager. The country is laughing at Tyrone. Joke!Joke! Joke!

I'm of the opinion that Mickey has give all he can to Tyrone Gaa and his best days are behind him. But I can't agree with that comment. Harte was a genius of his time, I've no doubt about that, he enhanced what Joe Kernan brought, but as football continues to evolve it's left Mickey behind or Mickey refuses to move with it in his stubbornness.

Tyrone have a talanted group but without a superstar that can drag a team over the line. A new manager might not change that. We have Mickey for 3 years, he won't leave and there is no appetite in the CB to change.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 18, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
The fact of the matter is Harte like any other run of the mill div 3 reserve manager picks the team 1-13-1 and that's all he has to offer. The players under his stewardship have not improved one bit. Poor coach and an even worse man manager. The country is laughing at Tyrone. Joke!Joke! Joke!

I'm of the opinion that Mickey has give all he can to Tyrone Gaa and his best days are behind him. But I can't agree with that comment. Harte was a genius of his time, I've no doubt about that, he enhanced what Joe Kernan brought, but as football continues to evolve it's left Mickey behind or Mickey refuses to move with it in his stubbornness.

Tyrone have a talanted group but without a superstar that can drag a team over the line. A new manager might not change that. We have Mickey for 3 years, he won't leave and there is no appetite in the CB to change.

Who says he will leave after 3 years......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 02:14:30 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
How long is Ronan O'Neill been on the county panel?
not sure how long but i know the longer he is on it the worse he is getting. prob around 2014?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 02:48:52 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on February 18, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
The fact of the matter is Harte like any other run of the mill div 3 reserve manager picks the team 1-13-1 and that's all he has to offer. The players under his stewardship have not improved one bit. Poor coach and an even worse man manager. The country is laughing at Tyrone. Joke!Joke! Joke!

I'm of the opinion that Mickey has give all he can to Tyrone Gaa and his best days are behind him. But I can't agree with that comment. Harte was a genius of his time, I've no doubt about that, he enhanced what Joe Kernan brought, but as football continues to evolve it's left Mickey behind or Mickey refuses to move with it in his stubbornness.

Tyrone have a talanted group but without a superstar that can drag a team over the line. A new manager might not change that. We have Mickey for 3 years, he won't leave and there is no appetite in the CB to change.

Who says he will leave after 3 years......

He might not, that will be decided by the clubs who at this point backed him to do the job. But as this moment in time he has been installed to take Tyrone for 3 years. It will take a brave club to stand up and challenge that to be revoked. It would also require them the support of the majority of clubs which won't happen.

So it might be an idea just to support the team and manager. By the way I thought Mickey should of went but I'm not in a position to change what we have so get behind the team. I commented on the interview because I was worried by his tone and state was the pressure getting to him? Not because I don't support him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 04:52:26 PM
Mickey sure let himself down with that interview....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 05:26:30 PM
https://www.facebook.com/teamtalkmag.tyrone/videos/1996955360565860/

Teamtalk released their interview with MH. Kevin Kelly is always the nice guy not the man for a tough question.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 18, 2018, 06:55:27 PM
Would not be in Team Talk's best interest to challenge Harte at all. Noel McGinn was critical on Radio Q101 number of years ago of selection against Galway and Harte said he goes or no access to Tyrone players. He had to go. Can see why TT wouldn't want to rattle that cage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 18, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Really longballin, nobody heard that one before. Go on let's hear something different from you. Give me 5 young players to watch out for u20 years of age
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 18, 2018, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 18, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Really longballin, nobody heard that one before. Go on let's hear something different from you. Give me 5 young players to watch out for u20 years of age

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, was criticism on away game Davy Harte marking Declan Meehan I think. He certainly asked that McGinn be removed. It happened whether you want to believe it or not. Google last year's under 17 team  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 18, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Really longballin, nobody heard that one before. Go on let's hear something different from you. Give me 5 young players to watch out for u20 years of age
i heard it before. its fact. its why i have a major bugbear with ttm despite their excellent coverage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 18, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
What about you Southtyronegael give me 5 young players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on February 18, 2018, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 18, 2018, 06:55:27 PM
Would not be in Team Talk's best interest to challenge Harte at all. Noel McGinn was critical on Radio Q101 number of years ago of selection against Galway and Harte said he goes or no access to Tyrone players. He had to go. Can see why TT wouldn't want to rattle that cage

Quote from: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
i heard it before. its fact. its why i have a major bugbear with ttm despite their excellent coverage.

Where do people get this dung? There are videos on the Teamtalk facebook page of Harte being interviewed by McGinn after games as recently as this Jan.

Some absolute mouthpieces on this page. They hear a rumour and automatically not only believe it but state they therefor know said rumour is "a fact".
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 18, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
That happened okay Noel was suspended from Q101 for comments during a Galway game.They have moved on which is the right thing.TTM provide a great coverage of Gaa matters in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 18, 2018, 09:26:59 PM
Thats the problem with TTM they are afraid to rattle any cages. Afraid of any media ban that MH may impose if they crossed any line. So they send nice Kevin Kelly to look at the positives from the defeat and a nice quote is  "looking forward there's a lot to build on from that performance Mickey"  ;D

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 18, 2018, 09:31:38 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 18, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
What about you Southtyronegael give me 5 young players
if i had 5 good young players id be advising them not to go near harte or the tyrone setup. would ruin them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 19, 2018, 07:18:44 AM
Horsestyle football is going poorly this year  and I think there will be big changes over the year. My problem was more to do with Cathal Mc Carron and Aidan Mc crory chasing up to the forward line than forwards trekking back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 19, 2018, 09:39:33 AM
I see we have emailgate, FBI may be called in Roisin suing over email sent to newstalk over affairs at CB level in 2017.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 19, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
Can someone please explain Matty's contribution?  From last weeks wonder/lucky point to this weeks 2 yellows and a few hits on Donegal men?   Bound to be on any oppositions list for the auld wind-up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on February 19, 2018, 10:21:13 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on February 19, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
Can someone please explain Matty's contribution?  From last weeks wonder/lucky point to this weeks 2 yellows and a few hits on Donegal men?   Bound to be on any oppositions list for the auld wind-up.

He wasn't having a great night in all fairness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 19, 2018, 10:51:42 AM
In fairness I expected Donegal to beat Tyrone in the McKenna Cup final, I've been impressed with them - especially the game against Kerry which was on TG4 and they played majority of game with 14 men.

Tyrone will have learned nothing with a win, on this occasion perhaps this was a 'positive' loss, assuming lessons are/were learned. The bigger test is by far Saturday night. If Tyrone lose to Monaghan (who they seem to have a hex over admittedly) there is a fair chance they'll be relegated - worth going to this one, going to be championship intensity especially with Monaghan's excellent win yesterday over Kerry, they'll smell blood.

Mickey Harte maybe was holding back some of his men v Donegal as he knows what a challenge this Saturday night will be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on February 19, 2018, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
How long is Ronan O'Neill been on the county panel?
Too long. Father must be a big Club Tyrone contributor
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 19, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: bogball88 on February 19, 2018, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
How long is Ronan O'Neill been on the county panel?
Too long. Father must be a big Club Tyrone contributor

I watch a fair bit of club football and Ronan O'Neill stands out as a quality player.  I'm not sure who isn't part of the panel out there that's better that will improve Tyrone.  Its very lazy to attack a player without making suggestions who he can be replaced with or the better option.  Admittedly he hasn't shone on the county stage and when he has he lacks consistency. Ronan probably needs to address his conditioning if he wants to be at the top level, the level he promised as a minor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 19, 2018, 12:00:18 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 19, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: bogball88 on February 19, 2018, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
How long is Ronan O'Neill been on the county panel?
Too long. Father must be a big Club Tyrone contributor

I watch a fair bit of club football and Ronan O'Neill stands out as a quality player.  I'm not sure who isn't part of the panel out there that's better that will improve Tyrone.  Its very lazy to attack a player without making suggestions who he can be replaced with or the better option.  Admittedly he hasn't shone on the county stage and when he has he lacks consistency. Ronan probably needs to address his conditioning if he wants to be at the top level, the level he promised as a minor.

Ronan O'Neill has been on the panel since 2012. Admittedly he missed the majority of that year after his cruciate injury but it has still been a long time and I'm not sure you could say he is a better player now than he was back then.

Agree that he is still worth a place on the panel but it was striking that during the county championship last year he wasn't Omagh's main forward and the opposition were putting their best marker on Conor O'Donnell.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on February 19, 2018, 12:08:08 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 19, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: bogball88 on February 19, 2018, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 18, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
How long is Ronan O'Neill been on the county panel?
Too long. Father must be a big Club Tyrone contributor

I watch a fair bit of club football and Ronan O'Neill stands out as a quality player.  I'm not sure who isn't part of the panel out there that's better that will improve Tyrone.  Its very lazy to attack a player without making suggestions who he can be replaced with or the better option.  Admittedly he hasn't shone on the county stage and when he has he lacks consistency. Ronan probably needs to address his conditioning if he wants to be at the top level, the level he promised as a minor.

Is it just me our has he an awful size of a gut on him. Surely as a inter county footballer with one of the top 4 teams that has to be addressed!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 19, 2018, 12:27:21 PM
Watched the game on Saturday evening. It appears that we just have a lot of ordinary footballers. Club-type players that stand out now and again, but at county level they're just ordinary.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 19, 2018, 01:28:16 PM
Robots..........trained to be robots
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 19, 2018, 01:45:32 PM
Ronan o Neill was a star ai winning minor and has 2 o Neill cups for his club and mickey still cant make a county footballer out of him. Says more about the type of coach Harte is than blaming Ronan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on February 19, 2018, 01:48:16 PM
Yawn.....the anti-harte posts really do get boring.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
I am not taking a pop at Ronan O'Neill he obviously struggles with his condition..... but what i do find hard to believe after 5/6 years on a county panel he continually seems very rarely in the correct condition to play at this level.....

 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on February 19, 2018, 02:44:22 PM
You can say what you want about Ronan O'Neill but he has scored some vital goals in his career for both club and county.  Conditioning wise he was probably in better nick last year but its early days as far as championship is concerned. O'Neill still possesses a ruthless streak in front of goal when the opportunity presents itself.

Could any of the contributors to this site name a player or players playing club football in Tyrone that are capable of making the grade on this present County squad.  I can only think of one - Johnny Munroe (who opted out for personal Carmen reasons).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 19, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Conan grugan, omagh. Shea mc guigan Ardboe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 19, 2018, 03:27:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 19, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Conan grugan, omagh. Shea mc guigan Ardboe

Connor O'Donnell was the best player by a distance in the Tyrone Club Championship last year and would have been worth a go this season I reckon.

However by and large we have the best players in Tyrone on the panel and while the lads that have been mentioned are definitely as good as some current panel members, none of them would be certain starters or make too much of an impact in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 19, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
We've a few real class acts Niall Sludden, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly. But after that we have just ordinary footballers who could be interchanged without noticing any difference in the team. If we've designs on winning anything this year you'd want 10+ of the other squad members upping their performance levels significantly.
Dunno if Harte is the problem or not. Perhaps he's getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on February 19, 2018, 03:55:14 PM
Slightly off topic and random but I was having a discussion with two Tyrone men in work today.

Who would you say is the best 3 footballers currently on the Tyrone panel?

I went for 1) Colm Cavanagh 2) Peter Harte and 3) Niall Sludden



I was surprised none of the other two had Peter Harte in their top 3.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 19, 2018, 04:17:38 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 14, 2018, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 14, 2018, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 03:20:25 PM
Heard mc namee and mark Bradley have fell out of favour with mickey. Both caught boozing after one of the Wednesday sigerson games.

Caught? I know Sparky looks young but he's of age. Was Mickey hiding in the bushes/back of the Hatfield or something? Is it a team of monks he wants? Lord help them, training ground fodder 2018 if you get on the wrong side of the Godly one.

Wouldn't be hard to catch, its all over the different forms of social media some of the house parties being held after UUJ victories.  I say fair play to the lads, there students enjoy these days, savour the victories.  If you cant enjoy the big victories why play football?

Here here!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 19, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
We've a few real class acts Niall Sludden, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly. But after that we have just ordinary footballers who could be interchanged without noticing any difference in the team. If we've designs on winning anything this year you'd want 10+ of the other squad members upping their performance levels significantly.
Dunno if Harte is the problem or not. Perhaps he's getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.

100% correct, that is essentially the problem, there is not one forward outside of Bradley we would fear playing a club championship game, and were no big shakes. when you go back 10/15 years and think that you could have SON, Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan Calvin, each would have scared the shite out of ya, and that's the bottom line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 19, 2018, 04:44:03 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 19, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
We've a few real class acts Niall Sludden, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly. But after that we have just ordinary footballers who could be interchanged without noticing any difference in the team. If we've designs on winning anything this year you'd want 10+ of the other squad members upping their performance levels significantly.
Dunno if Harte is the problem or not. Perhaps he's getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.

100% correct, that is essentially the problem, there is not one forward outside of Bradley we would fear playing a club championship game, and were no big shakes. when you go back 10/15 years and think that you could have SON, Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan Calvin, each would have scared the shite out of ya, and that's the bottom line.

So is back to back Ulster's and regular AI semi final appearances a decent return for a squad devoid of really top class forwards? It does suggest maybe Mickey has looked closely at the squad and decided we were never going to go toe to toe with Dublin and Kerry like we did 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on February 19, 2018, 04:51:22 PM


Quote from: southtyronegael on February 19, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Conan grugan, omagh. Shea mc guigan Ardboe


So basically these 2 men are the missing links that will lead us to the Holy grail. Lord God
Both have been road tested at county level. Grugan whilst being stylish on the ball is both lazy & passive, was bullied round the field by old man Clerkin when he got his start.
McGuigan I'd have more time for but the great white hope of another Brian emerging to the scene raised the expectancy levels Shea didn't deliver & he left the Tyrone panel eith a few more easties to wash cars.

Someone also mentioned O'Donnell, great championship last year & happy for the kid after all that happened but manys a man had good club championships but wouldnt be near a county squad - in 2016 Dan McNulty was the man & there are countless numbers of examples of players having good tournament games but long term won't make the cut. Toto Schillachi's alot of them unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 19, 2018, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on February 19, 2018, 04:51:22 PM


Quote from: southtyronegael on February 19, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Conan grugan, omagh. Shea mc guigan Ardboe


So basically these 2 men are the missing links that will lead us to the Holy grail. Lord God
Both have been road tested at county level. Grugan whilst being stylish on the ball is both lazy & passive, was bullied round the field by old man Clerkin when he got his start.
McGuigan I'd have more time for but the great white hope of another Brian emerging to the scene raised the expectancy levels Shea didn't deliver & he left the Tyrone panel eith a few more easties to wash cars.

Someone also mentioned O'Donnell, great championship last year & happy for the kid after all that happened but manys a man had good club championships but wouldnt be near a county squad - in 2016 Dan McNulty was the man & there are countless numbers of examples of players having good tournament games but long term won't make the cut. Toto Schillachi's alot of them unfortunately.

A'la Sven Goran Erikson and Walcott in '06, maybe Mickey might call up Darragh Canavan ahead of the Championship!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on February 19, 2018, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 19, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
We've a few real class acts Niall Sludden, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly. But after that we have just ordinary footballers who could be interchanged without noticing any difference in the team. If we've designs on winning anything this year you'd want 10+ of the other squad members upping their performance levels significantly.
Dunno if Harte is the problem or not. Perhaps he's getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.

100% correct, that is essentially the problem, there is not one forward outside of Bradley we would fear playing a club championship game, and were no big shakes. when you go back 10/15 years and think that you could have SON, Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan Calvin, each would have scared the shite out of ya, and that's the bottom line.

With the exception of Canavan, - SON, Cavanagh, Mulligan & Cavlan would have played the majority of their club championship games in Intermediate or Junior football, yes they would have scared the shite out of teams in those divisions but when their teams played in the senior championship winning a first round would have been an achievement  for them. All of Tyrone panel presently are playing in division 1 bar maybe 1 or 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 19, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
We've a few real class acts Niall Sludden, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly. But after that we have just ordinary footballers who could be interchanged without noticing any difference in the team. If we've designs on winning anything this year you'd want 10+ of the other squad members upping their performance levels significantly.
Dunno if Harte is the problem or not. Perhaps he's getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.
I can smell another plant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 19, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 19, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
We've a few real class acts Niall Sludden, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly. But after that we have just ordinary footballers who could be interchanged without noticing any difference in the team. If we've designs on winning anything this year you'd want 10+ of the other squad members upping their performance levels significantly.
Dunno if Harte is the problem or not. Perhaps he's getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.
I can smell another plant

Sorry but I'm a genuine contributor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 19, 2018, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on February 19, 2018, 02:44:22 PM
You can say what you want about Ronan O'Neill but he has scored some vital goals in his career for both club and county.  Conditioning wise he was probably in better nick last year but its early days as far as championship is concerned. O'Neill still possesses a ruthless streak in front of goal when the opportunity presents itself.

Could any of the contributors to this site name a player or players playing club football in Tyrone that are capable of making the grade on this present County squad.  I can only think of one - Johnny Munroe (who opted out for personal Carmen reasons).

It's less a case of him being out of shape, Tyrone won't be judged on the league - they are past that stage of their development (even though I did state earlier they could be relegated). O'Neill and Tyrone themselves will be well ready for the real action in May.

I'd say O'Neill weight 'gain' is entirely thought out with the intention of losing whatever excess there might be/appear to be in the next 4-6 weeks.

Still all very early in 2018 as yet. Nobody has played their hand yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 19, 2018, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 19, 2018, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on February 19, 2018, 02:44:22 PM
You can say what you want about Ronan O'Neill but he has scored some vital goals in his career for both club and county.  Conditioning wise he was probably in better nick last year but its early days as far as championship is concerned. O'Neill still possesses a ruthless streak in front of goal when the opportunity presents itself.

Could any of the contributors to this site name a player or players playing club football in Tyrone that are capable of making the grade on this present County squad.  I can only think of one - Johnny Munroe (who opted out for personal Carmen reasons).

It's less a case of him being out of shape, Tyrone won't be judged on the league - they are past that stage of their development (even though I did state earlier they could be relegated). O'Neill and Tyrone themselves will be well ready for the real action in May.

I'd say O'Neill weight 'gain' is entirely thought out with the intention of losing whatever excess there might be/appear to be in the next 4-6 weeks.

Still all very early in 2018 as yet. Nobody has played their hand yet.

Correct, Dublin have played half a team, Donegal blooding in new players, Kerry playing with a pile of youngsters but Tyrone - Full Out bar CC and cant win a game

Long year ahead
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 19, 2018, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 19, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
We've a few real class acts Niall Sludden, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly. But after that we have just ordinary footballers who could be interchanged without noticing any difference in the team. If we've designs on winning anything this year you'd want 10+ of the other squad members upping their performance levels significantly.
Dunno if Harte is the problem or not. Perhaps he's getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.
I can smell another plant

Sorry but I'm a genuine contributor.

Fair enough, possibly my mistake
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 19, 2018, 07:30:28 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 19, 2018, 09:39:33 AM
I see we have emailgate, FBI may be called in Roisin suing over email sent to newstalk over affairs at CB level in 2017.
care to elaborate on this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
in the last 15 years or so Tyrone won 4 all ireland minor titles also got beat in a final, under 21's won one all ireland and lost one, St Pats Dungannon and Omagh CBS won hogan cups, We won 3 All ireland vocational school at county level,St Cairan Ballygawley and Holy Trinity Cookstown won all ireland's..... So we have plenty to be chewing on...... I remember in 2008 our county chairman at the time said the conveyor belt of talent was frightening..... where did it go too!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 19, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
in the last 15 years or so Tyrone won 4 all ireland minor titles also got beat in a final, under 21's won one all ireland and lost one, St Pats Dungannon and Omagh CBS won hogan cups, We won 3 All ireland vocational school at county level,St Cairan Ballygawley and Holy Trinity Cookstown won all ireland's..... So we have plenty to be chewing on...... I remember in 2008 our county chairman at the time said the conveyor belt of talent was frightening..... where did it go too!!!
???? We have won 3 all Ireland seniors thas last 15 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 19, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
in the last 15 years or so Tyrone won 4 all ireland minor titles also got beat in a final, under 21's won one all ireland and lost one, St Pats Dungannon and Omagh CBS won hogan cups, We won 3 All ireland vocational school at county level,St Cairan Ballygawley and Holy Trinity Cookstown won all ireland's..... So we have plenty to be chewing on...... I remember in 2008 our county chairman at the time said the conveyor belt of talent was frightening..... where did it go too!!!
???? We have won 3 all Ireland seniors thas last 15 years.
Redzone you are either ungenuine or stupid, possibly both tbf
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
in the last 15 years or so Tyrone won 4 all ireland minor titles also got beat in a final, under 21's won one all ireland and lost one, St Pats Dungannon and Omagh CBS won hogan cups, We won 3 All ireland vocational school at county level,St Cairan Ballygawley and Holy Trinity Cookstown won all ireland's..... So we have plenty to be chewing on...... I remember in 2008 our county chairman at the time said the conveyor belt of talent was frightening..... where did it go too!!!
???? We have won 3 all Ireland seniors thas last 15 years.

I do know that been nearly 10 years from last win and the bulk of the players on the teams names above never materialised for some reason at senior level.......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 19, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
in the last 15 years or so Tyrone won 4 all ireland minor titles also got beat in a final, under 21's won one all ireland and lost one, St Pats Dungannon and Omagh CBS won hogan cups, We won 3 All ireland vocational school at county level,St Cairan Ballygawley and Holy Trinity Cookstown won all ireland's..... So we have plenty to be chewing on...... I remember in 2008 our county chairman at the time said the conveyor belt of talent was frightening..... where did it go too!!!
???? We have won 3 all Ireland seniors thas last 15 years.

I do know that been nearly 10 years from last win and the bulk of the players on the teams names above never materialised for some reason at senior level.......
Yeah I know we're you are coming from. Thought I'd bait poor old Dinky there.
It hard to know if Harte had of left in 2010 what would have happened. The big problem as well is I don't think to many inside of Tyrone wanted the job. How come tally never put is hand up for the job
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 08:10:56 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
in the last 15 years or so Tyrone won 4 all ireland minor titles also got beat in a final, under 21's won one all ireland and lost one, St Pats Dungannon and Omagh CBS won hogan cups, We won 3 All ireland vocational school at county level,St Cairan Ballygawley and Holy Trinity Cookstown won all ireland's..... So we have plenty to be chewing on...... I remember in 2008 our county chairman at the time said the conveyor belt of talent was frightening..... where did it go too!!!
???? We have won 3 all Ireland seniors thas last 15 years.

I do know that been nearly 10 years from last win and the bulk of the players on the teams names above never materialised for some reason at senior level.......
Yeah I know we're you are coming from. Thought I'd bait poor old Dinky there.
It hard to know if Harte had of left in 2010 what would have happened. The big problem as well is I don't think to many inside of Tyrone wanted the job. How come tally never put is hand up for the job

The Dubs have won all ireland one minor title from 1984!!! they won i think 4 under 21 all irelands in the last 7 years...... We have a problem from 18-21 it seems!!


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 08:12:50 PM
Mickey has a massive fortnight in front of him on the field.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 19, 2018, 08:39:03 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
in the last 15 years or so Tyrone won 4 all ireland minor titles also got beat in a final, under 21's won one all ireland and lost one, St Pats Dungannon and Omagh CBS won hogan cups, We won 3 All ireland vocational school at county level,St Cairan Ballygawley and Holy Trinity Cookstown won all ireland's..... So we have plenty to be chewing on...... I remember in 2008 our county chairman at the time said the conveyor belt of talent was frightening..... where did it go too!!!
???? We have won 3 all Ireland seniors thas last 15 years.

I do know that been nearly 10 years from last win and the bulk of the players on the teams names above never materialised for some reason at senior level.......
Yeah I know we're you are coming from. Thought I'd bait poor old Dinky there.
It hard to know if Harte had of left in 2010 what would have happened. The big problem as well is I don't think to many inside of Tyrone wanted the job. How come tally never put is hand up for the job
What job ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 19, 2018, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 19, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
in the last 15 years or so Tyrone won 4 all ireland minor titles also got beat in a final, under 21's won one all ireland and lost one, St Pats Dungannon and Omagh CBS won hogan cups, We won 3 All ireland vocational school at county level,St Cairan Ballygawley and Holy Trinity Cookstown won all ireland's..... So we have plenty to be chewing on...... I remember in 2008 our county chairman at the time said the conveyor belt of talent was frightening..... where did it go too!!!
???? We have won 3 all Ireland seniors thas last 15 years.

I do know that been nearly 10 years from last win and the bulk of the players on the teams names above never materialised for some reason at senior level.......
Yeah I know we're you are coming from. Thought I'd bait poor old Dinky there.
It hard to know if Harte had of left in 2010 what would have happened. The big problem as well is I don't think to many inside of Tyrone wanted the job. How come tally never put is hand up for the job
Stupid it is then, keep guessing Mickey’s lad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 19, 2018, 08:54:46 PM
Dinky maybe it's time u started contributing an opinion on football rather than commenting on other people's opinions. How your little fundraiser going at st endas. Dont say you don't no either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 19, 2018, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 19, 2018, 08:54:46 PM
Dinky maybe it's time u started contributing an opinion on football rather than commenting on other people's opinions. How your little fundraiser going at st endas. Dont say you don't no either.
My contribution is to point out fake news. What would dinky know about st endas fundraisers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on February 21, 2018, 12:42:49 PM
WOW! The Beard is really starting to crack under the pressure!  ;)
All joking aside - I wonder does SO'N have a say on anything that is going on?
I'm not even sure Tyrone have a game plan anymore? They just seem to be in autopilot and in disarray - running around headless! What is the kickout strategy? Do they have one?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 21, 2018, 01:40:23 PM
QuoteFamily, faith and football – the Mickey Harte interview
Long-serving manager talks about the good and bad times and shaping his mark III Tyrone team
Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 06:00
Keith Duggan
Harte on Tyrone 2018: "Maybe it's a question of judging this generation on what they have achieved and not what they have failed to achieved."
Harte on Tyrone 2018: "Maybe it's a question of judging this generation on what they have achieved and not what they have failed to achieved."



There are traces of ice and stubborn snowmen in the driveways and gardens of Fintona and Ballygawley and among the late breakfast crowd in Kelly's Inn, Mickey Harte talks about the goal around which Tyrone's year revolved. A full six months have passed and the Tyrone man couldn't relive it any more vividly if he was running through it on pause-play. But he summons all this while he butters toast.

"People think you make excuses but it is those little things that happen in a game that don't seem particularly significant. But they are huge. It wasn't even the goal itself. It was the lead up to the goal: this is a run-of-the-mill play in a game of football. People are going forward. They [Tyrone] are on the front foot. They make a little handling error and are turned over. And often a team will pay to some extent. But sometimes, you pay a high price. And we paid a high price that day. If you look at it – and this is not to make excuses but if you look at it you'll see – the referee got a little bit in the way.

"Niall Sludden passes to Paudie Hampsey and the referee is kind of in his peripheral vision as he runs and Paudie just didn't handle it perfectly. Ciarán Kilkenny comes in and challenges for it. The ball breaks perfectly for Dublin rather than us. Into the hands of Philly McMahon who kicks it to the man [Con O'Callaghan] who is supposed to be marking Paudie Hampsey. Because he is number 11.

"And if the number six goes forward and the 11 watches him go, well, I don't think that's good practice. So he should have been after Hampsey! Now, he gets the ball 45 metres out. We aren't totally blame-free here because our philosophy is that if the centre-half goes, somebody should take his place. Nobody did. We didn't observe our own rule.


"But his [O'Callaghan] not following Hampsey left him in this place where he was free. After that, you have to give him full credit for his ability and his ambition to go for goal. He didn't really have any business to go for a goal. A young fella like him just into the team... I know he is a quality player and all the rest. He could have been happy to take a nice point but he decided to go for the jugular. Obviously he would believe in his own ability to go past a static defender. But then he went on and said: 'I am going to bury this.' So I'd have to give him full credit for that.


"Now, he got it in a way I wouldn't like – by not being an honest broker and going after the man he should have done! That's neither here nor there. But that changed the entire tenor of that game. We felt we could contain them for 45 minutes. The goal cut a hole in the team – not just on the scoreboard but psychologically. Conceding a goal like that was not something we did very often – particularly so early in the game and through the heart of our defence."

He takes a sip of coffee and thinks about those few seconds. Kenny Rogers is singing about love gone awry in the background. The new football season is just days away.


Not sure if anyone picked up on this article last month but recently read it.

Whats peoples opinion on this?

Are we really getting down to the point where we are blaming Con O'Callaghan for the way he played the All Ireland semi final - seems like madness to me!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 21, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 21, 2018, 01:40:23 PM
QuoteFamily, faith and football – the Mickey Harte interview
Long-serving manager talks about the good and bad times and shaping his mark III Tyrone team
Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 06:00
Keith Duggan
Harte on Tyrone 2018: "Maybe it's a question of judging this generation on what they have achieved and not what they have failed to achieved."
Harte on Tyrone 2018: "Maybe it's a question of judging this generation on what they have achieved and not what they have failed to achieved."



There are traces of ice and stubborn snowmen in the driveways and gardens of Fintona and Ballygawley and among the late breakfast crowd in Kelly's Inn, Mickey Harte talks about the goal around which Tyrone's year revolved. A full six months have passed and the Tyrone man couldn't relive it any more vividly if he was running through it on pause-play. But he summons all this while he butters toast.

"People think you make excuses but it is those little things that happen in a game that don't seem particularly significant. But they are huge. It wasn't even the goal itself. It was the lead up to the goal: this is a run-of-the-mill play in a game of football. People are going forward. They [Tyrone] are on the front foot. They make a little handling error and are turned over. And often a team will pay to some extent. But sometimes, you pay a high price. And we paid a high price that day. If you look at it – and this is not to make excuses but if you look at it you'll see – the referee got a little bit in the way.

"Niall Sludden passes to Paudie Hampsey and the referee is kind of in his peripheral vision as he runs and Paudie just didn't handle it perfectly. Ciarán Kilkenny comes in and challenges for it. The ball breaks perfectly for Dublin rather than us. Into the hands of Philly McMahon who kicks it to the man [Con O'Callaghan] who is supposed to be marking Paudie Hampsey. Because he is number 11.

"And if the number six goes forward and the 11 watches him go, well, I don't think that's good practice. So he should have been after Hampsey! Now, he gets the ball 45 metres out. We aren't totally blame-free here because our philosophy is that if the centre-half goes, somebody should take his place. Nobody did. We didn't observe our own rule.


"But his [O'Callaghan] not following Hampsey left him in this place where he was free. After that, you have to give him full credit for his ability and his ambition to go for goal. He didn't really have any business to go for a goal. A young fella like him just into the team... I know he is a quality player and all the rest. He could have been happy to take a nice point but he decided to go for the jugular. Obviously he would believe in his own ability to go past a static defender. But then he went on and said: 'I am going to bury this.' So I'd have to give him full credit for that.


"Now, he got it in a way I wouldn't like – by not being an honest broker and going after the man he should have done! That's neither here nor there. But that changed the entire tenor of that game. We felt we could contain them for 45 minutes. The goal cut a hole in the team – not just on the scoreboard but psychologically. Conceding a goal like that was not something we did very often – particularly so early in the game and through the heart of our defence."

He takes a sip of coffee and thinks about those few seconds. Kenny Rogers is singing about love gone awry in the background. The new football season is just days away.


Not sure if anyone picked up on this article last month but recently read it.

Whats peoples opinion on this?

Are we really getting down to the point where we are blaming Con O'Callaghan for the way he played the All Ireland semi final - seems like madness to me!

embarrassing from Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 21, 2018, 03:15:15 PM
Not one of Mickey's finest moments, ridiculous view on that goal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 21, 2018, 03:20:30 PM
What annoys me about posting on this thread these days is that it's hard to make any reasonable arguments or discuss matters without people jumping to the conclusion is he anti Harte or pro Harte.

There does seem to be a consensus so far this year that we're slow to get off the ground and seem to be unfit or not sharp as other teams. Galway look like they are the opposite and so you would imagine they could follow a path of Roscommon a few years ago.
There also seems to be a feeling that we are playing a more direct ball into the forward game at least the odd time and are not sooooo predictable. For me in most sports if the other team know what you're going to do then its easy to prepare for that. Look at that Dublin game last year where we just kept doing the same thing time and time again and they just sat back and stripped us off the ball time and time again. It was painful to watch.

I'm looking forward to seeing more off Bradley, Mulgrew and Lee Brennan this year. The three of them whilst not big men have a lot of talent between them and we need to find a way to play to bring out the best in them. Brennan already has shown he has an eye for goal as well as an excellent point taker and he looks as if he could finally become our No 1 free taker which will be a huge shot in the arm right away.

I think we're seeing Mickey's vision as similar to the Mayo plan of just doing enough to stay in Div 1 and struggle through early summer and then turn up the heat when or IF we make it to the last 8.
Monaghan and Donegal will be itching to get at us again in Ulster and I for one wouldn't be surprised to see us lose to either after our 2 in a row years.

On another note, its good to see McShane playing a much more positive and pivotal role. He could be a big player for us this year if he continues to play like he has been. I think a lot of people have written him off already as being raw and shoots on sight. A third midfielder role like Enda McGinley used to play could suit him well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 21, 2018, 03:32:13 PM
Re Harte's views on the Dublin match and why we failed so miserably yes I fear he was better to say nothing than what he said. There seems to be a feeling that the old fox has been outwitted quite a bit now by younger managers and for me Jim Gavin had planned meticulously for that game as the media had it well set up as the ONE team that might trouble the Dubs.
Gavin knew Tyrone only played one way and so if you can move the ball at speed from man to man then it wont matter how many men Tyrone have behind the ball they wont be able to lay a hand on anyone before the ball is moved on again.

My biggest concern now is not whether we will win the AI any time soon but the question is are our structures in place at underage and club level to allow our best players to flourish properly and play with no fear and freedom to express themselves. To me there is too much coaching and control and emphasis on stopping the other team rather than focusing on your own game. For a county who produced amazing players like Frank McGuigan and sons, Canavan, S.O'Neill and Sean Cavanagh are we now regressing into producing wing half backs and half forwards who are like clones and will run all day but can't see a pass or take a risk and shoot from an acute angle rather than recycle recycle recycle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on February 21, 2018, 04:51:29 PM
Any word of adult fixtures coming out? Has the Beard dropped anyone from squad following McKenna Cup?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 21, 2018, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: driveherin on February 21, 2018, 04:51:29 PM
Any word of adult fixtures coming out? Has the Beard dropped anyone from squad following McKenna Cup?
mark sidebottom definitely dropped.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 21, 2018, 11:14:07 PM
i see the bookies have tyrone and monaghan both at evens for sat nights game. conor mc carthy and possibly kieran hughes back for monaghan. colly cavanagh should be back for tyrone? if cavanagh plays tyrone have a chance, if not, no chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 22, 2018, 02:43:34 PM
Tyrone need 2 points from Monaghan or Donegal;  not sure they're gonna get them--more chance of getting suspensions and injuries I would be afraid
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 22, 2018, 03:02:24 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on February 22, 2018, 02:43:34 PM
Tyrone need 2 points from Monaghan or Donegal;  not sure they're gonna get them--more chance of getting suspensions and injuries I would be afraid

Best chance is this Saturday night. Win or bust I reckon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 23, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
Enda McGinley writes that Harte will keep faith in his system... expression loyal to a fault comes to mind. At least Sean spoke out and said they were slaves to a system last year, Enda was lucky he didn't have to endure that so-called system
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 23, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 23, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
Enda McGinley writes that Harte will keep faith in his system... expression loyal to a fault comes to mind. At least Sean spoke out and said they were slaves to a system last year, Enda was lucky he didn't have to endure that so-called system
Ah now, he is only saying Mickey will keep faith with it, not that he believed in it. He has previously criticised, it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 23, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 23, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 23, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
Enda McGinley writes that Harte will keep faith in his system... expression loyal to a fault comes to mind. At least Sean spoke out and said they were slaves to a system last year, Enda was lucky he didn't have to endure that so-called system
Ah now, he is only saying Mickey will keep faith with it, not that he believed in it. He has previously criticised, it.

not how I read it but having said that not easy read
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 23, 2018, 12:41:14 PM
Tyrone team named. Plenty of changes from Kildare game. Mc Shane not in squad, he injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 23, 2018, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 23, 2018, 12:41:14 PM
Tyrone team named. Plenty of changes from Kildare game. Mc Shane not in squad, he injured?

I heard he missed Mass last Sunday!! McClure injured
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 23, 2018, 03:13:08 PM
Wonder will Ritchie actually spend any time in the FF position? Would be interesting to see how that would go. Conan McCann getting plenty of time, Mickey must be seeing something good in training. Has yet to really impress in game time this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 23, 2018, 03:21:12 PM
Where are you seeing the team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 23, 2018, 03:22:15 PM
Ronan o Neill must be pretty browned off no 26 the last couple of years.Maybe time to pull the plug.Gets a lot of criticism unfair in my view.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on February 23, 2018, 03:28:37 PM
 N Morgan;
M McKernan, R McNamee, C McCarron;
C Meyler, P Hampsey, K McGeary;
C Cavanagh, M Donnelly (capt);
C McCann, N Sludden, P Harte;
L Brennan, R Donnelly, C McAliskey.
Substitutes: M O'Neill, M Bradley, R Brennan, F Burns, A McCrory, D McCurry, HP McGeary, R McNabb, P McNulty, D Mulgrew, R O'Neill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 23, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
Quote from: driveherin on February 23, 2018, 03:28:37 PM
N Morgan;
M McKernan, R McNamee, C McCarron;
C Meyler, P Hampsey, K McGeary;
C Cavanagh, M Donnelly (capt);
C McCann, N Sludden, P Harte;
L Brennan, R Donnelly, C McAliskey.
Substitutes: M O'Neill, M Bradley, R Brennan, F Burns, A McCrory, D McCurry, HP McGeary, R McNabb, P McNulty, D Mulgrew, R O'Neill.
From that team, Morgan, McCarron, M Donnelly CmcCann and P Harte would need to up their performances from what I've seen so far
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 23, 2018, 10:22:37 PM
the greatest sweeper in the history of ulster football is back tomorrow night how will he fair after his winter deprogramme with the moy. will he have an xtra man inside him so as not to expose the greatest defensive game plan in the history of the gaa. that paudie mckenna boy better not upstage the greatest in blaney. fancy a low score draw. 9 each. no points no goals total fabrication.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 24, 2018, 11:18:34 AM
Quote from: skeog on February 23, 2018, 03:22:15 PM
Ronan o Neill must be pretty browned off no 26 the last couple of years.Maybe time to pull the plug.Gets a lot of criticism unfair in my view.
Should be noted subs jerseys are alphabetical. Like most players it's their own fault if they aren't on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 24, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
Thanks Redzone so Ronan is just unlucky because of the alphabet.Could see him come on tonight and turn it on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 24, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
Do you think ronan has the speed to play in the full forward line. I don't. Neither does Harte, or he would be on. Has probably more skill than any other player on the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 24, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
awful shite tonight, relegation beckons I see this year ending in a horrible mess
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 24, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
awful shite tonight, relegation beckons I see this year ending in a horrible mess

Was poor, I was frustrated watching that in the freezing cold. Good to see Colm back who In the final minutes of the game he was trying shout at the robots to push out and break the structure, pressure the ball to try and win the game. Lot of soul searching to do. The Donegal game is now make or break for the season, because if Tyrone get relegated I can't see them challenging. They should reach the super 8s which I expect, but as Mickey says Division 2 teams don't win All Ireland's
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 24, 2018, 09:59:52 PM
The only team thats going to be winning All Irelands is Dublin for the next few years.Tyrone will still survive with wins over Donegal and Kerry imo.Even the last game in Mayo would be 50/50.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 10:06:36 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 24, 2018, 09:59:52 PM
The only team thats going to be winning All Irelands is Dublin for the next few years.Tyrone will still survive with wins over Donegal and Kerry imo.Even the last game in Mayo would be 50/50.

Did you watch that tonight? What makes you think things will improve to beat Donegal or Kerry. Mayo I think is a winnable game, watching Dublin game vs them now and they look vulnerable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2018, 10:12:58 PM
Edged out tonight just like we edged out Kildare a fortnight ago. I wouldn't be confident of staying up but 4 pts might be enough, that sort of year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 24, 2018, 10:15:16 PM
We always improve as the ground hardens. Very rarely play that well in the league. Yes that was terrible to watch at times, especially up front. Only watched the first half but f**k I don't see what conal mccann brings to the team, never have
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 24, 2018, 10:29:47 PM
Not looking great in terms of staying in Division 1. Interesting tweet from Sean Mor tonight. "Never judge on league but Tyrone have so much more potential. A more confident & offensive approach would have won tonight". I'd doubt it's a particularly happy camp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 10:44:36 PM
Seen Sean's tweet, I read that as a wee dig at Harte!! "A more confident and offensive approach would have won tonight"!!

If that's not taking aim at Mickey I'm not sure what is. Colm will probably come home and ask him to tone it down. Sean maybe free from the regime but Colm is still there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 24, 2018, 10:46:55 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 10:44:36 PM
Seen Sean's tweet, I read that as a wee dig at Harte!! "A more confident and offensive approach would have won tonight"!!

If that's not taking aim at Mickey I'm not sure what is. Colm will probably come home and ask him to tone it down. Sean maybe free from the regime but Colm is still there.

That's how I read it. Sean has said recently they were "slaves to a system" last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 24, 2018, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 24, 2018, 10:46:55 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 10:44:36 PM
Seen Sean's tweet, I read that as a wee dig at Harte!! "A more confident and offensive approach would have won tonight"!!

If that's not taking aim at Mickey I'm not sure what is. Colm will probably come home and ask him to tone it down. Sean maybe free from the regime but Colm is still there.

That's how I read it. Sean has said recently they were "slaves to a system" last year.

only in from the game and watching what i seen tonight is....i cant disagree with what Sean has said.....depressing stuff......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on February 24, 2018, 11:05:29 PM
Doesnt matter what our approach is, we're still nowhere near potent or clinical enough up front! When we do get the chances we don't put them away often enough!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 24, 2018, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on February 24, 2018, 11:05:29 PM
Doesnt matter what our approach is, we're still nowhere near potent or clinical enough up front! When we do get the chances we don't put them away often enough!

Team playing with zero confidence and hands tied behind their back.....i am fed up with the crap we are being forced to watch....get out and play for gods sake if your beat your beat....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on February 24, 2018, 11:09:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 24, 2018, 10:46:55 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 10:44:36 PM
Seen Sean's tweet, I read that as a wee dig at Harte!! "A more confident and offensive approach would have won tonight"!!

If that's not taking aim at Mickey I'm not sure what is. Colm will probably come home and ask him to tone it down. Sean maybe free from the regime but Colm is still there.

That's how I read it. Sean has said recently they were "slaves to a system" last year.

Agree with a lot of the above but Sean was 33-34 last year, your a grown man, the captain, speak the f**k up internally and challenge Harte internally, saying that now is an easy option- all I see in this team is a bunch of young sheep that would walk out on the pitch backwards if Harte wanted it and the majority (outside 7-8)  are more interested in being involved with the setup and all the extra crap that comes with it (social media, gear, boots, status, interviews etc.) than being ruthless winners and challenging the status quo, ie - the Dublin game, the early goal mentally destroyed them there wasn't a hand laid on Dublin to try and compete, they just lay down and took a hiding, the rosary thing - not sure if it is still going on but I find it hard to believe that a group of 40 can agree on doing this before each game.

But in general its pretty simple, we DO NOT have the players to compete against the top 3 (or the top 7-8 in bad weather - we need a hard sod to compete well)

Would Galvin or Fitzmaurice get much out of whats there atm? I would doubt it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 11:49:35 PM
I'm assuming sidebottom didn't get a post match interview this week? Haven't seen any. Just have to wait on Kevin Kelly of TTM to once again say, it was tough out there tonight Mickey, but there are some positives to bring into the next game!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 25, 2018, 12:00:10 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 11:49:35 PM
I'm assuming sidebottom didn't get a post match interview this week? Haven't seen any. Just have to wait on Kevin Kelly of TTM to once again say, it was tough out there tonight Mickey, but there are some positives to bring into the next game!!!

http://www.highlandradio.com/2018/02/24/tyrone-were-slow-getting-out-of-the-blocks-mickey-harte-after-loss-to-monaghan/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 25, 2018, 12:00:10 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 11:49:35 PM
I'm assuming sidebottom didn't get a post match interview this week? Haven't seen any. Just have to wait on Kevin Kelly of TTM to once again say, it was tough out there tonight Mickey, but there are some positives to bring into the next game!!!

http://www.highlandradio.com/2018/02/24/tyrone-were-slow-getting-out-of-the-blocks-mickey-harte-after-loss-to-monaghan/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
was that noel mc ginn from ttm doing that interview? fuckin pathetic the whole lot of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 25, 2018, 12:15:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 25, 2018, 12:00:10 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 11:49:35 PM
I'm assuming sidebottom didn't get a post match interview this week? Haven't seen any. Just have to wait on Kevin Kelly of TTM to once again say, it was tough out there tonight Mickey, but there are some positives to bring into the next game!!!

http://www.highlandradio.com/2018/02/24/tyrone-were-slow-getting-out-of-the-blocks-mickey-harte-after-loss-to-monaghan/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
was that noel mc ginn from ttm doing that interview? fuckin pathetic the whole lot of them.

Correct, I had posted the Kevin Kelly comment before finding the interview. It was a disgusting interview from Noel, he made the excuse then waited on Mickey to back up that excuse and agree. TTM need to catch a grip of themselves when it comes to county coverage. The club coverage is excellent but their post game interviews are shambolic!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 12:28:31 AM
ive said it on here a long time ago. ttm are as much as a part of the problem as all the ass lickers and money grabbers that surround mickey harte. they all feed into the bubble that the tyrone team are in. time to burst that bubble and get back to basics.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 25, 2018, 08:25:14 AM
serious question to anyone at the game. Who were the more defensive team. Seemed from watching the first half on tv Monaghan had 12/13 men camped in their defence when we had the ball at times. We on the other hand seemed to be quite open at times. Bare in mind they used the foot pass coming out of defense while we continue with short hand passing. We just couldn't break them down
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 25, 2018, 08:39:01 AM
STG i have listened to the interview it seemed a fair reflection of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 08:43:49 AM
Quote from: skeog on February 25, 2018, 08:39:01 AM
STG i have listened to the interview it seemed a fair reflection of the game.
they said we were a couple of miss timed touches and mistakes away from taking something from the game. is that a fair reflection in your view?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 25, 2018, 08:57:52 AM
Monaghan retreated when they went 4 up near the end Tyrone had several chances that went astray or short.It was a mixture of good defending and poor decision making on Tyrones part.Still think Tyrone will beat Donegal next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 09:08:22 AM
Quote from: skeog on February 25, 2018, 08:57:52 AM
Monaghan retreated when they went 4 up near the end Tyrone had several chances that went astray or short.It was a mixture of good defending and poor decision making on Tyrones part.Still think Tyrone will beat Donegal next week.
come on man we were brutal in that game and deserved nothing out of it. what have u seen from tyrone last night that makes you think we will beat donegal or are you just hoping?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 25, 2018, 09:14:44 AM
Maybe but the problem now is confidence. Confidence comes when footballers are empowered through time to make their own decisions and know that their management team trusts them and their ability. If this is not the case Tyrone are in for a tough year. I think retaining Gavin Devlin in the set up and that shitty style of football could sadly  prove to be Harte's Achilles heel and worst decision. Tough few weeks ahead as the last few isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 25, 2018, 10:17:29 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 25, 2018, 08:25:14 AM
serious question to anyone at the game. Who were the more defensive team. Seemed from watching the first half on tv Monaghan had 12/13 men camped in their defence when we had the ball at times. We on the other hand seemed to be quite open at times. Bare in mind they used the foot pass coming out of defense while we continue with short hand passing. We just couldn't break them down

it is not a competition to see who plays most defensive...... Getting shooters in the correct positions is more important in my opinion...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 25, 2018, 11:48:04 AM
potential big sean is sitting on the toilet hoping for something solid and all you get is a little puff of wind. thats tyrone we dont even have a turd to polish anymore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 24, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
awful shite tonight, relegation beckons I see this year ending in a horrible mess
why all the negativity all of a sudden?lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 25, 2018, 02:36:34 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 25, 2018, 10:17:29 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 25, 2018, 08:25:14 AM
serious question to anyone at the game. Who were the more defensive team. Seemed from watching the first half on tv Monaghan had 12/13 men camped in their defence when we had the ball at times. We on the other hand seemed to be quite open at times. Bare in mind they used the foot pass coming out of defense while we continue with short hand passing. We just couldn't break them down

it is not a competition to see who plays most defensive...... Getting shooters in the correct positions is more important in my opinion...
Yeah was just wondering if we tryed to play a more open game plan but couldn't break them down or did we have the same tactics as last year. Monaghans 6 first half scores came from Carey free and the rest from their defense and goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 25, 2018, 04:05:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 24, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
awful shite tonight, relegation beckons I see this year ending in a horrible mess
why all the negativity all of a sudden?lol

I think you are still full of dung and this crap about players being shackled is a smoke screen. If they were shackled they would not have hit some of the passess richie donnelly hit last night or shots that were taken.

Players arent good enough and chose wrong options all the time.

You are a drama queen with a vendetta and can't call anything from a neutral view you clown. taking joy in county doing badly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 09:24:07 PM
so redhandefender, you think our players arent good enough to beat the likes of monaghan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on February 25, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 25, 2018, 12:00:10 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2018, 11:49:35 PM
I'm assuming sidebottom didn't get a post match interview this week? Haven't seen any. Just have to wait on Kevin Kelly of TTM to once again say, it was tough out there tonight Mickey, but there are some positives to bring into the next game!!!

http://www.highlandradio.com/2018/02/24/tyrone-were-slow-getting-out-of-the-blocks-mickey-harte-after-loss-to-monaghan/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
was that noel mc ginn from ttm doing that interview? fuckin pathetic the whole lot of them.

So not only did you not know that the Teamtalk Awards night was about club football, but you don't even recognise Noel McGinn's voice? It's a bit odd that you so routinely attack a media outlet that you evidently don't know the first thing about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 25, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
Mick spoke well I thought. Honest as usual so he was. You wouldn't last 10 seconds with Harte STG. He'd tear you to pieces
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on February 25, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
So what's your club south Tyrone Gael?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on February 25, 2018, 11:50:50 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 25, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
So what's your club south Tyrone Gael?

I ve said it before and I ll say it again. The reason STG knows so little about Tyrone GAA and makes a dick of himself is that he is from Fermanagh. Don't know which part. He's just on here winding. .
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 25, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
Mick spoke well I thought. Honest as usual so he was. You wouldn't last 10 seconds with Harte STG. He'd tear you to pieces
ive met plenty of bullies in my life and id face down harte the same way all bullies should be faced down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on February 26, 2018, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.

No, you asked the rest of the board if it was Noel:
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
was that noel mc ginn from ttm doing that interview?

Once again showing your complete ignorance of an outlet you constantly badmouth.

For what it's worth, Teamtalk do not rely on you or any sort licence fee from you. They owe you nothing, are under no obligation to you and they have the right to use whatever line of questioning they choose. If you don't like them, don't listen to them*.

*Though I suspect you never have listened to them in the first place. Otherwise you would know what their awards night is about and you wouldn't have to ask people to tell you if you are listening to it because you're not sure if you recognise the interviewers voice. Just seems that you are mouthing off because mouthing is all you know. Again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on February 26, 2018, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 25, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
Mick spoke well I thought. Honest as usual so he was. You wouldn't last 10 seconds with Harte STG. He'd tear you to pieces
ive met plenty of bullies in my life and id face down harte the same way all bullies should be faced down.
Given that you have several times used the cover of anonymity on this web page to mock Mickey Harte over his religious beliefs, you have some gall to call anyone else a bully.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 12:22:26 AM
Paddy Tally seems to be having a real impact with Galway, since he got involved with their setup. Obviously influential in our 1st All Ireland and guided an unfancied St Mary's side to the Sigerson last year. That's my answer to the question if Harte goes who do you replace him with.

Was there a fallout between MH and PT? Why did they part company? It's a story I missed.

And I take your point that we don't pay TTM for the service they provide but we can still be critical if there is an opinion the service could be improved. They put themselves in the public domain so comments will follow. Mickey didn't do an interview with BBC this week, are they now on the banned list they only got O'Rourke. All I would want from TTM is a few straight forward questions.

Where did it go wrong Mickey?
Do you feel changes are required to our approach?
Sean Cavanagh has questioned the team confidence and system, how would you respond that that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on February 26, 2018, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 12:22:26 AM
Paddy Tally seems to be having a real impact with Galway, since he got involved with their setup. Obviously influential in our 1st All Ireland and guided an unfancied St Mary's side to the Sigerson last year. That's my answer to the question if Harte goes who do you replace him with.

Was there a fallout between MH and PT? Why did they part company? It's a story I missed.

And I take your point that we don't pay TTM for the service they provide but we can still be critical if there is an opinion the service could be improved. They put themselves in the public domain so comments will follow. Mickey didn't do an interview with BBC this week, are they now on the banned list they only got O'Rourke. All I would want from TTM is a few straight forward questions.

Where did it go wrong Mickey?
Do you feel changes are required to our approach?
Sean Cavanagh has questioned the team confidence and system, how would you respond that that?

And when Harte takes issue on day 1 of such a line of questioning and TTM are denied access to Harte and the players, what good will TTM be to you then for county coverage?

No harm I'd prefer they got access to the players and management than not have access to them.

P.s. Agree re. Tally. A seriously good coach. However he has got Galway playing a very defensive style of football. I suspect it will only take them so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 26, 2018, 08:28:43 AM
It's surprising how much some people read into the league. I'll be judging Harte and Tyrone on the championship game versus Monaghan not the league one. It's always very difficult to know where a team is at until the championship starts. Last year we left Ballybofey after a hammering and it looked like we had no hope in ulster. Donegal and Monaghan were being hyped up based on the league, yet come championship Tyrone walked through ulster. In recent years Roscommon were very fit early in the league and flying and completely flopped come championship. It could easily happen Galway too.

Tyrone have actually lost to the top 3 teams so far, the only concern is Mayo and Kerry usually improve as the league goes on. Although you don't read too much into the league you certainly don't want to get relegated so the next few games are important.

A worry for me is the lack of new players coming in and laying down a claim for a place on the team. So far McKernan has showed well and Brennan has done well from the frees but that's probably it. We definitely have pushed up more at times during this years league (though we did start very defensively on Saturday) and when we do are defenders have been shown up one on one. We don't have top class markers or a top forward that can win his own ball and kick a score like McManus. Harte is trying to work round this.

What annoyed me at times on Saturday night in the first half was that we don't seem to have learned from last year on kickouts. On the Momaghan kick out we half pushed up and tried to zonal mark. There was always a player free and they got the kickout out easy. And then they had space to work it up the pitch and work a score. It's so frustrating when Tyrone score that they let the opposition out so easy as you can't build up any momentum in a game and get a spell of quick scores. On the other hand Monaghan often pressurised our kickouts and we struggled to win the ball in the middle. We did push up at times in the second half with more success.

Having said all that the difference on Saturday night was not Harte or his tactics, that's an easy excuse from the usual people. The difference was in the second half when the game was in the melting pot Monaghan took their chances and the Tyrone forwards missed theirs or kicked the ball away. We also had at least 3 or 4 goal opportunities or opportunities to work a goal that were messed up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 26, 2018, 08:43:50 AM
One thing that stood out for me was Brennan's impact from play. First three balls into him he was either beaten for pace or easily dispossessed when tackled. He did rightly from frees, however, would love to see him make a real impact from play. To be fair the ball never went in early and long very often.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 26, 2018, 08:54:17 AM
He is never going to make an impact from play he is on to hit frees.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on February 26, 2018, 09:06:58 AM
Quote from: skeog on February 26, 2018, 08:54:17 AM
He is never going to make an impact from play he is on to hit frees.

He's worth carrying to hit frees.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on February 26, 2018, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 12:22:26 AM
Paddy Tally seems to be having a real impact with Galway, since he got involved with their setup. Obviously influential in our 1st All Ireland and guided an unfancied St Mary's side to the Sigerson last year. That's my answer to the question if Harte goes who do you replace him with.

Was there a fallout between MH and PT? Why did they part company? It's a story I missed.

And I take your point that we don't pay TTM for the service they provide but we can still be critical if there is an opinion the service could be improved. They put themselves in the public domain so comments will follow. Mickey didn't do an interview with BBC this week, are they now on the banned list they only got O'Rourke. All I would want from TTM is a few straight forward questions.

Where did it go wrong Mickey?
Do you feel changes are required to our approach?
Sean Cavanagh has questioned the team confidence and system, how would you respond that that?

And when Harte takes issue on day 1 of such a line of questioning and TTM are denied access to Harte and the players, what good will TTM be to you then for county coverage?

No harm I'd prefer they got access to the players and management than not have access to them.

P.s. Agree re. Tally. A seriously good coach. However he has got Galway playing a very defensive style of football. I suspect it will only take them so far.

I agree it's good to hear from the players and management after the game and media access is now part and parcel with today's inter county teams. But it's pointless if there's a fear that a tough question will result in a media ban. Only ask me the questions I want to be asked is hardly great journalism. MH has to be accountable for the setup of the team and then be able to explain the thought process behind that. What adds no value is Noel or Kevin summarising where they think the game went wrong then allowing MH to agree with that. They have a Wednesday night show that can deal with their thoughts around the games.

I wasn't in favor of MH getting his extension last year but I've accepted the democratic process and know he will be with us for a further 2 years at least after this one.  But he still has to be accountable for his actions and the actions of the team. I don't think there is a club or club  delegate that will bring a motion to remove him.

bringing a soccer analogy into it is this what it feels like to support Arsenal. Once a man that could do no wrong and now stuck in his ways?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2018, 11:06:40 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 26, 2018, 08:28:43 AM
It's surprising how much some people read into the league. I'll be judging Harte and Tyrone on the championship game versus Monaghan not the league one. It's always very difficult to know where a team is at until the championship starts. Last year we left Ballybofey after a hammering and it looked like we had no hope in ulster. Donegal and Monaghan were being hyped up based on the league, yet come championship Tyrone walked through ulster. In recent years Roscommon were very fit early in the league and flying and completely flopped come championship. It could easily happen Galway too.

Tyrone have actually lost to the top 3 teams so far, the only concern is Mayo and Kerry usually improve as the league goes on. Although you don't read too much into the league you certainly don't want to get relegated so the next few games are important.

A worry for me is the lack of new players coming in and laying down a claim for a place on the team. So far McKernan has showed well and Brennan has done well from the frees but that's probably it. We definitely have pushed up more at times during this years league (though we did start very defensively on Saturday) and when we do are defenders have been shown up one on one. We don't have top class markers or a top forward that can win his own ball and kick a score like McManus. Harte is trying to work round this.

What annoyed me at times on Saturday night in the first half was that we don't seem to have learned from last year on kickouts. On the Momaghan kick out we half pushed up and tried to zonal mark. There was always a player free and they got the kickout out easy. And then they had space to work it up the pitch and work a score. It's so frustrating when Tyrone score that they let the opposition out so easy as you can't build up any momentum in a game and get a spell of quick scores. On the other hand Monaghan often pressurised our kickouts and we struggled to win the ball in the middle. We did push up at times in the second half with more success.

Having said all that the difference on Saturday night was not Harte or his tactics, that's an easy excuse from the usual people. The difference was in the second half when the game was in the melting pot Monaghan took their chances and the Tyrone forwards missed theirs or kicked the ball away. We also had at least 3 or 4 goal opportunities or opportunities to work a goal that were messed up.

I'd agree with this, the league isn't the be all and end of - still shadow boxing at this stage but you'd have to worry about giving Monaghan that bit of belief and boost - Tyrone seemed to have their number prior to Saturday night.

Perversely, with Tyrone now fighting relegation, they'll have a few 'championship' games coming up before that game. Who knows they might stumble upon something or sharpen the team up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on February 26, 2018, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 12:22:26 AM
Paddy Tally seems to be having a real impact with Galway, since he got involved with their setup. Obviously influential in our 1st All Ireland and guided an unfancied St Mary's side to the Sigerson last year. That's my answer to the question if Harte goes who do you replace him with.

Was there a fallout between MH and PT? Why did they part company? It's a story I missed.

And I take your point that we don't pay TTM for the service they provide but we can still be critical if there is an opinion the service could be improved. They put themselves in the public domain so comments will follow. Mickey didn't do an interview with BBC this week, are they now on the banned list they only got O'Rourke. All I would want from TTM is a few straight forward questions.

Where did it go wrong Mickey?
Do you feel changes are required to our approach?
Sean Cavanagh has questioned the team confidence and system, how would you respond that that?

And when Harte takes issue on day 1 of such a line of questioning and TTM are denied access to Harte and the players, what good will TTM be to you then for county coverage?

No harm I'd prefer they got access to the players and management than not have access to them.

P.s. Agree re. Tally. A seriously good coach. However he has got Galway playing a very defensive style of football. I suspect it will only take them so far.

I don't believe Galway have the talent that Tyrone have to work with so they are pulling out the big results and yes its league and the time to stand up is the championship. I was simply putting forward the suggestion often asked of those in support of MH who would he be replaced with.  Paddy Tally is a man I would like to see give the job for a few years after Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
interesting to see mc gleenans cavan put themselves in with a big shout of promotion. playing some lovely attacking football by all accounts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2018, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
interesting to see mc gleenans cavan put themselves in with a big shout of promotion. playing some lovely attacking football by all accounts.

Rumours of his demise at Cavan proving to be greatly exaggerated.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 26, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
I think people are being a bit harsh on Lee Brennan. There was such a clamour go get him involved that he was never going to live up to the hype. Yes he struggled from play on Saturday night but we didn't move the ball quickly enough against a defensive team and I feel he needs a ball winner in there with him so he can feed off and pick up possession off the loop to get a shot away. If we think he is going to be primary ball winner and scorer in chief then I think we are asking too much. I'd definitely persevere with him - there isn't a player in the squad that I would rather have in possession one on one with the goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on February 26, 2018, 12:58:32 PM
If 'the Beard' wasn't getting paid as much as he is, do you think he'd resign?
He is well past his sell by date! No fresh ideas, man management, personality...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
why the f**k are people being hard on lee brennan? who was the last tyrone player to kick 8 points in a game, even from frees? not brennans fault tyrone are still playing shite unimaginative football. people looking for scapegoats and it seems everyones gettin the blame exept the manager. and no he would never resign, he thinks he is doin a great job. so do the lads at ttm and a few on here. 3 yr contract, total control of players and nobody with the balls to stand up to him. mickey is laughing all the way to the bank....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 26, 2018, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
why the f**k are people being hard on lee brennan? who was the last tyrone player to kick 8 points in a game, even from frees? not brennans fault tyrone are still playing shite unimaginative football. people looking for scapegoats and it seems everyones gettin the blame exept the manager. and no he would never resign, he thinks he is doin a great job. so do the lads at ttm and a few on here. 3 yr contract, total control of players and nobody with the balls to stand up to him. mickey is laughing all the way to the bank....

Mickey does not  get paid  sure....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on February 26, 2018, 02:13:46 PM
Tyrone has been clinging onto the glory days hype for the past 10 years, if the decline and lack of success had occurred more dramatically then changes would have been implemented by now and the ascent would have begun.Looks like Tyrone are going to have to hit rock bottom before things change, ie relegation and knocked out first round of Ulster might be what the powers to be need.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on February 26, 2018, 02:33:50 PM
By some of the chat on here you would think Tyrone are floating around the bottom of division 3 with first round exits from the championship for the last 10 years....
We still have 3 games left in the league to consolidate our Division 1 status...comment about relegation etc once the league is over.
We are going for 3 ulster titles in a row (something no tyrone team has ever achieved);
We have got to the semi-finals 3 of the past 5 years.

Yes it could be better if we were able to reach all ireland finals again and maybe win them but in case people weren't aware, they're not easy to come by.
Things could be a lot, lot worse in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 26, 2018, 03:48:45 PM
Things have been a lot worse but Tyrone now have sights on greater things. Fact remains haven't beat any of top teams Dublin, Mayo or Kerry in championship since 2008. Unfortunately perhaps success from 2003 to 2008 has led to greater aspirations than winning Ulster. It got to a stage Tyrone barely celebrated winning Ulster like in 2009 and 2010 but then the well ran dry and appreaciated it again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on February 26, 2018, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
why the f**k are people being hard on lee brennan? who was the last tyrone player to kick 8 points in a game, even from frees? not brennans fault tyrone are still playing shite unimaginative football. people looking for scapegoats and it seems everyones gettin the blame exept the manager. and no he would never resign, he thinks he is doin a great job. so do the lads at ttm and a few on here. 3 yr contract, total control of players and nobody with the balls to stand up to him. mickey is laughing all the way to the bank....

The last man I think to better that tally was Kyle Coney when he hit 0:09 agin Cork in Pairc Uí Rinn in 2014 , we could be doing with him back in the red n white jersey at present
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 25, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
So what's your club south Tyrone Gael?
errigal ciaran
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 26, 2018, 03:48:45 PM
Things have been a lot worse but Tyrone now have sights on greater things. Fact remains haven't beat any of top teams Dublin, Mayo or Kerry in championship since 2008. Unfortunately perhaps success from 2003 to 2008 has led to greater aspirations than winning Ulster. It got to a stage Tyrone barely celebrated winning Ulster like in 2009 and 2010 but then the well ran dry and appreaciated it again.
[/quotethe last 10 or 15 yrs has prob coincided with the most successful period at underage level in the countys history. i think now we should be setting our sights higher than provincial success.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 25, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
So what's your club south Tyrone Gael?
errigal ciaran
;D. ;D  ;D Mickey's clubmate. I'm struggling to accept that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 26, 2018, 08:45:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 26, 2018, 03:48:45 PM
Things have been a lot worse but Tyrone now have sights on greater things. Fact remains haven't beat any of top teams Dublin, Mayo or Kerry in championship since 2008. Unfortunately perhaps success from 2003 to 2008 has led to greater aspirations than winning Ulster. It got to a stage Tyrone barely celebrated winning Ulster like in 2009 and 2010 but then the well ran dry and appreaciated it again.
[/quotethe last 10 or 15 yrs has prob coincided with the most successful period at underage level in the countys history. i think now we should be setting our sights higher than provincial success.

Since 2008 we have won 1 All Ireland minor and 2 Ulster championships and 1 U21 All Ireland and 1 Ulster. We've hardly been prolific. We might just look back and think we have had a pretty good return from this bunch of players at senior level with 4 Ulster titles during that period and numerous AI semi final appearances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 26, 2018, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 25, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
So what's your club south Tyrone Gael?
errigal ciaran
;D. ;D  ;D Mickey's clubmate. I'm struggling to accept that.
Augher is his club. Wasn't he advising us to go watch turnip head play earlier in the year. Spoke up at the augher agm as well, querying how the club decided who to pick for the county chairperson. Ud think STG would be better of spending nf his time helping out with the youth setup in his club which is struggling badly. Maybe he got kicked out of there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:04:54 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 26, 2018, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 25, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
So what's your club south Tyrone Gael?
errigal ciaran
;D. ;D  ;D Mickey's clubmate. I'm struggling to accept that.
Augher is his club. Wasn't he advising us to go watch turnip head play earlier in the year. Spoke up at the augher agm as well, querying how the club decided who to pick for the county chairperson. Ud think STG would be better of spending nf his time helping out with the youth setup in his club which is struggling badly. Maybe he got kicked out of there.
so im not a fermanagh man anymore? phew!lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:08:09 PM
benny, underage all irelands in 04' 08' 10 ' 15' 17'. hardly a lean period. how many all irelands have the likes of monaghan won in the same period?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 09:19:40 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:04:54 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 26, 2018, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 25, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:03:37 PM
f**k up snapchat, did i not say it was noel mc ginn? joke of an interview. total mickey ass lickers. quicker the whole lot of them are chased the better, especially harte.
So what's your club south Tyrone Gael?
errigal ciaran
;D. ;D  ;D Mickey's clubmate. I'm struggling to accept that.
Augher is his club. Wasn't he advising us to go watch turnip head play earlier in the year. Spoke up at the augher agm as well, querying how the club decided who to pick for the county chairperson. Ud think STG would be better of spending nf his time helping out with the youth setup in his club which is struggling badly. Maybe he got kicked out of there.
so im not a fermanagh man anymore? phew!lol

Who is the Augher club delegate then? If you focus all your efforts into convincing him or her into believing MH isn't right then they might take your argument forward to a forum that matters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 26, 2018, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:08:09 PM
benny, underage all irelands in 04' 08' 10 ' 15' 17'. hardly a lean period. how many all irelands have the likes of monaghan won in the same period?

Tyrone have regularly beat Monaghan in the championship this decade. Tyrone have more Ulster titles than them this decade and a lot more all Ireland semi final appearances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 26, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:08:09 PM
benny, underage all irelands in 04' 08' 10 ' 15' 17'. hardly a lean period. how many all irelands have the likes of monaghan won in the same period?

Do we expect the u17 team from last year to be contributing to our seniors already? Monaghan haven't even got to an All Ireland semi final in that period or is it all about who wins a league game in February?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 26, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
I wouldn't gloat too much about having a better record than Monaghan. Considering they have the fourth smallest population of any county in the country and a lot of the players are based in Dublin they've done very well,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:52:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 26, 2018, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:08:09 PM
benny, underage all irelands in 04' 08' 10 ' 15' 17'. hardly a lean period. how many all irelands have the likes of monaghan won in the same period?

Tyrone have regularly beat Monaghan in the championship this decade. Tyrone have more Ulster titles than them this decade and a lot more all Ireland semi final appearances.
could also argue that since o rourke took them over 6 years ago they have also won 2 ulsters and beaten us in championship. they have been in 5 of last 6 ai quarter finals plus 4 continuous year in div 1 which we havent done. so we arent that far ahead of them with all our underage success.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:59:37 PM
and lads there no point speculating where im from. ive been accused of being a derry man, fermanagh man now an augher man!lol. where next, pakistan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 26, 2018, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:59:37 PM
and lads there no point speculating where im from. ive been accused of being a derry man, fermanagh man now an augher man!lol. where next, pakistan?
You said yourself u were an augher man you dumb twat
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 26, 2018, 10:38:21 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 26, 2018, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 09:59:37 PM
and lads there no point speculating where im from. ive been accused of being a derry man, fermanagh man now an augher man!lol. where next, pakistan?
You said yourself u were an augher man you dumb twat

Name him redzone, if he acted the fool in public at the club AGM then you know him. He just did also claim to be an Errigal clubman there now thou.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 10:53:55 PM
this is gettin hilarious! some muppets on here. i think you should name him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 26, 2018, 11:09:27 PM
I won't name him. I know his brother and he would be mortified at the rubbish he posts.
Anyway onto sat night and massive game ahead. Be interestingly to see how we line out. Who will pick up Murphy. Mcnamee maybe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 26, 2018, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 26, 2018, 11:09:27 PM
I won't name him. I know his brother and he would be mortified at the rubbish he posts.
Anyway onto sat night and massive game ahead. Be interestingly to see how we line out. Who will pick up Murphy. Mcnamee maybe
Redzone you think you inspector Morse. You know feck all about who is who and you know even less about football. Sad life you have trying to figure out who people are on an anonymous message board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 26, 2018, 11:30:31 PM
DINKY DINKY DINKY.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 26, 2018, 11:36:36 PM
Still holding a little grudge dinky because I made you out for the clueless liitle clown you are.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 26, 2018, 11:43:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 26, 2018, 11:36:36 PM
Still holding a little grudge dinky because I made you out for the clueless liitle clown you are.

Aye whatever you think. Why are you even on this board.
"I made you out for the clueless little clown you are "
Keep taking the drugs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 11:52:13 PM
mickeys disciples are well rattled! they are a bit like the tyrone players at the minute, starting to doubt what its all about and how they could have been so badly brainwashed by the beard.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 27, 2018, 10:12:47 AM
YES!! He is partly responsible for all mentioned. He can remove Richie from the game if he is repeatedly making errors. He can change the kickout strategy that he has asked of Niall or change his keeper if he cannot perform what he is being asked to do. Fintan Kelly could have been identified as a big threat going forward and make sure he is picked up.

Against Dublin last year Sean Cav said they were victims to the system, there was no movement from the system. So I'm assuming there is a system in place against Monaghan so if Morgan had a kickout plan that wasn't working can this be changed. If Richie was told when you get the ball get your head up and play it inside change to run at them and win the free or look for the support runner to break the defensive lines.

While Players will always make individual errors the examples outlined by you can be addressed by management and adopting the game plan to improve if the errors being made.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on February 27, 2018, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 27, 2018, 10:12:47 AM
YES!! He is partly responsible for all mentioned. He can remove Richie from the game if he is repeatedly making errors. He can change the kickout strategy that he has asked of Niall or change his keeper if he cannot perform what he is being asked to do. Fintan Kelly could have been identified as a big threat going forward and make sure he is picked up.

Against Dublin last year Sean Cav said they were victims to the system, there was no movement from the system. So I'm assuming there is a system in place against Monaghan so if Morgan had a kickout plan that wasn't working can this be changed. If Richie was told when you get the ball get your head up and play it inside change to run at them and win the free or look for the support runner to break the defensive lines.

While Players will always make individual errors the examples outlined by you can be addressed by management and adopting the game plan to improve if the errors being made.
Monaghan obviously targeted Conall McCann and put Fintan Kelly on him so he could do what he done in the first 10 mins. I personally do not think Conall Mccann is up to the standard and Saturday night backed up my opinion. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 11:03:29 AM
Maybe Mickey views Richie Donnelly as one of our best options at kick passing and left him there to get the experience. Maybe he said go and try it Richie and I won't sub you for making these mistakes.

Conall McCann wasn't marking Fintan Kelly, Matty Donnelly was his direct opponent. I would also question Conall's ability at this level but wouldn't write him off just yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 27, 2018, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 11:03:29 AM
Maybe Mickey views Richie Donnelly as one of our best options at kick passing and left him there to get the experience. Maybe he said go and try it Richie and I won't sub you for making these mistakes.

Conall McCann wasn't marking Fintan Kelly, Matty Donnelly was his direct opponent. I would also question Conall's ability at this level but wouldn't write him off just yet.

And this would have been a mistake. A football match is 70mins if there are problems that are happening you make the change to attempt to address that problem.  It wont always work but you can't keep allowing the same mistakes to be made.  There is a small window of opportunity to address the issues by a change of personnel or a tactical change and then at Half time as well.  It was probably a bad thing Tyrone going into half time with a 1pt lead because Tyrone in no way deserved that from the balance of play and maybe allowed the players and management to think things are going well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on February 27, 2018, 12:07:04 PM
yes i beilieve mattie donnelly was marking kelly yet   i presume he was told by management to run back and stand in front of full back line. this allowed kelly to get plenty of space and kick 3 points and nearly another before tyrone changed things. Player or managements fault?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on February 27, 2018, 12:20:33 PM
Some people on here (Redzone especially) are getting pretty upset, just like the boss after the McKenna Cup game! Anyway a few points:
Who are the best players on the U20 squad and could any of them potentially make a major difference in the next year or two?
Apart from Darragh Canavan are there any real gems coming through in the next few years?
If not then the current slide out of the top 4 will continue but will stop at about 7 or 8 as not many counties are remotely competitive at the moment. You see Cavan and Tipp sitting at the top of Division 2 and all you see is a yawning gap appearing between Dublin and the rest with only Kerry and Mayo capable of giving them a game and for how long?
Winning 3 Ulsters would be an historic achievement and worth aiming for but Ulster as a province is terrible at the moment. Compare this to the 90s when there was Donegal Down Derry Armagh Tyrone......Cavan won an Ulster, Fermanagh were decent.......only Antrim were poor. And in the rest of Ireland you had Galway and Mayo, Kerry and Cork, Dublin Meath Kildare and Laois......
My biggest problem with the present regime was that last year they were saying that this was the best squad there ever was but to me it is the worst we have been in a long long time but we are still in division one because other counties named above are just so poor now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 27, 2018, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 27, 2018, 12:20:33 PM
Some people on here (Redzone especially) are getting pretty upset, just like the boss after the McKenna Cup game! Anyway a few points:
Who are the best players on the U20 squad and could any of them potentially make a major difference in the next year or two?
Apart from Darragh Canavan are there any real gems coming through in the next few years?
If not then the current slide out of the top 4 will continue but will stop at about 7 or 8 as not many counties are remotely competitive at the moment. You see Cavan and Tipp sitting at the top of Division 2 and all you see is a yawning gap appearing between Dublin and the rest with only Kerry and Mayo capable of giving them a game and for how long?
Winning 3 Ulsters would be an historic achievement and worth aiming for but Ulster as a province is terrible at the moment. Compare this to the 90s when there was Donegal Down Derry Armagh Tyrone......Cavan won an Ulster, Fermanagh were decent.......only Antrim were poor. And in the rest of Ireland you had Galway and Mayo, Kerry and Cork, Dublin Meath Kildare and Laois......
My biggest problem with the present regime was that last year they were saying that this was the best squad there ever was but to me it is the worst we have been in a long long time but we are still in division one because other counties named above are just so poor now.

Who in under God said that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on February 27, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
The manager and captain last year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on February 27, 2018, 12:07:04 PM
yes i beilieve mattie donnelly was marking kelly yet   i presume he was told by management to run back and stand in front of full back line. this allowed kelly to get plenty of space and kick 3 points and nearly another before tyrone changed things. Player or managements fault?

Presume lol?? As far as my eyes could see, Matty was the closest person to Kelly on two of his scores...McCann possibly the third.

One of my biggest issues is the lack of urgency and aggression with this zonal defence system, opponents can play about outside the 45 line at their will without a glove touching them. I might be wrong, but I have noticed some movement away from this tactic already this year with increased pressure out the field. There are small signs of change and this won't happen in one foul sweep, a little patience for now and see how it materialises in the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 27, 2018, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on February 27, 2018, 12:07:04 PM
yes i beilieve mattie donnelly was marking kelly yet   i presume he was told by management to run back and stand in front of full back line. this allowed kelly to get plenty of space and kick 3 points and nearly another before tyrone changed things. Player or managements fault?

Presume lol?? As far as my eyes could see, Matty was the closest person to Kelly on two of his scores...McCann possibly the third.

One of my biggest issues is the lack of urgency and aggression with this zonal defence system, opponents can play about outside the 45 line at their will without a glove touching them. I might be wrong, but I have noticed some movement away from this tactic already this year with increased pressure out the field. There are small signs of change and this won't happen in one foul sweep, a little patience for now and see how it materialises in the summer.

Agreed, I can definitely see progress and again thought it was noticeable on Saturday that we were leaving more men up. As well as Lee and Skeet, Sludden spent a fair bit of time in the full forward line, and Petey Harte spent some time closer to goal. These changes in style take time however my one worry is whether a relegation would have a significant impact on the confidence and morale of the team going into the summer. For that reason the Donegal game is massive (although in light of the heavy snow predicted for this week it is likely to be moved to St Paddys weekend).

Another concern is Petey Harte's form, we can't seem to get him on the ball enough. He is spending most of his time in the half forward line this year, I'm wondering does this not suit him as he prefers to be running on to the ball more?

Also on the above point on Richy Donnelly, I agree he played a lot of bad kick passes into the full forward line at the weekend however it is a positive that we had someone getting the ball around the middle looking for that first time ball in. I assume he is in the team because he has shown in training he is capable of playing good passes in (I'm also thinking of his ball in for O'Neill's first goal v Derry in championship 2016) and so hopefully this will come good as the year progresses. Bear in mind Richy has had rotten luck with injuries the past few years and to my memory has never had a proper run of games at senior county level so I'm not rushing to judgement on him yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 27, 2018, 04:27:22 PM
Has anyone else noticed how much scores we're conceding despite playing so many bodies back?
Is there a general lack of ownership now in who is marking who or are they all just marking space and if someone come into that zone you tackle him.

I think often defenders think I can't make a good clean tackle here so I'll let the next man pick him up.

It all seems to be that the attitude this year is feck the GAA in the winter months and lets just make it to the last 8 and then we'll start playing like Mayo, Kerry and the Dubs do but you can't just cruise through Ulster though many would say we did last year.

Seems unreal Mark Bradley isn't the 1st forward on the team sheet as he is so mobile and slippery

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on February 27, 2018, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 27, 2018, 04:27:22 PM
Has anyone else noticed how much scores we're conceding despite playing so many bodies back?
Is there a general lack of ownership now in who is marking who or are they all just marking space and if someone come into that zone you tackle him.

I think often defenders think I can't make a good clean tackle here so I'll let the next man pick him up.

It all seems to be that the attitude this year is feck the GAA in the winter months and lets just make it to the last 8 and then we'll start playing like Mayo, Kerry and the Dubs do but you can't just cruise through Ulster though many would say we did last year.

Seems unreal Mark Bradley isn't the 1st forward on the team sheet as he is so mobile and slippery

When on form Mark Bradley can lift the crowd nobody else can.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 27, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on February 27, 2018, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 27, 2018, 04:27:22 PM
Has anyone else noticed how much scores we're conceding despite playing so many bodies back?
Is there a general lack of ownership now in who is marking who or are they all just marking space and if someone come into that zone you tackle him.

I think often defenders think I can't make a good clean tackle here so I'll let the next man pick him up.

It all seems to be that the attitude this year is feck the GAA in the winter months and lets just make it to the last 8 and then we'll start playing like Mayo, Kerry and the Dubs do but you can't just cruise through Ulster though many would say we did last year.

Seems unreal Mark Bradley isn't the 1st forward on the team sheet as he is so mobile and slippery

When on form Mark Bradley can lift the crowd nobody else can.

Also agree with this but I'm afraid Bradley and Lee just can't play together in a two man full forward line. They are both small and left-footed and neither is a consistent ball winner. Personally I think Bradley is the better player but if we have to choose one Lee also deserves a run of games and is the better free taker.

However with our style of play if we can't currently fit Bradley into the side I do think it would be worthwhile giving him a game or two at 11. He was great in this role for us in 2015 and played there for Jordanstown recently in the Sigerson. I like Sludden but he has a serious tendency for kicking wides and I think Bradley would be a more reliable scorer in this role, while Sludden could be just as effective at wing back or wing forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 28, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.

100%

Buck stops with Management. If it doesnt work in any other field of profession in the world, the Manager has to take the flack and the blame. He is responsible for "his" team, performances and results
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 28, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 28, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.

100%

Buck stops with Management. If it doesnt work in any other field of profession in the world, the Manager has to take the flack and the blame. He is responsible for "his" team, performances and results

That means he's responsible for back to back ulster titles, something we've done very rarely over the last 100 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 28, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 28, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 28, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.

100%

Buck stops with Management. If it doesnt work in any other field of profession in the world, the Manager has to take the flack and the blame. He is responsible for "his" team, performances and results

That means he's responsible for back to back ulster titles, something we've done very rarely over the last 100 years.

and for that debacle against Dublin in August last year... all duck or no dinnner
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on February 28, 2018, 10:54:11 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 28, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 28, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 28, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.

100%

Buck stops with Management. If it doesnt work in any other field of profession in the world, the Manager has to take the flack and the blame. He is responsible for "his" team, performances and results

That means he's responsible for back to back ulster titles, something we've done very rarely over the last 100 years.

and for that debacle against Dublin in August last year... all duck or no dinnner

So are you suggesting without an AI win everything else is meaningless? If you are then you're an idiot.    Thankfully most of us are old enough to remember when Tyrone had no AI titles and an Ulster was fondly appreciated by every Tyrone fan. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 28, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 28, 2018, 10:54:11 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 28, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 28, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 28, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make

mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.

100%

Buck stops with Management. If it doesnt work in any other field of profession in the world, the Manager has to take the flack and the blame. He is responsible for "his" team, performances and results

That means he's responsible for back to back ulster titles, something we've done very rarely over the last 100 years.

and for that debacle against Dublin in August last year... all duck or no dinnner

So are you suggesting without an AI win everything else is meaningless? If you are then you're an idiot.    Thankfully most of us are old enough to remember when Tyrone had no AI titles and an Ulster was fondly appreciated by every Tyrone fan.

Spare me the bullshit. I remember 2009 and 2010 when Tyrone won Ulster lifted the cup and went to the dressingroom without even a lap of honour when fans werent allowed on the field it meant so little. And it was all about winning Sam. Phillip Jordan said winning Ulster meant little then. Its good to win Ulster but dont pretend its like before the backdoor system when you were Ulsters representative in the All Ireland semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on February 28, 2018, 11:03:57 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 28, 2018, 10:54:11 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 28, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 28, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: Club boi on February 28, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 27, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
This is thread is getting absolutely ridiculous at this stage. Any chance of just debating the football?

You can blame Mickey Harte all you want for a one point loss to Monaghan....but is it his fault that Richard Donnelly kicked ball after ball into a sweepers hands all night? Is he to blame for Niall Morgan misplacing a couple of kick-outs that led directly to scores or Mark Bradley going for goal twice when they weren't on. Was he to blame for Fintan Kelly kicking 3 points from 3 possessions because no one checked his runs at the start of the game? The players take the field and play to a devised game plan but when the game takes a life of it's own and they make mistakes or take wrong options it is not Mickey Harte's fault or Horse or Stevie O'Neill.

A bit of perspective is needed here. We simply don't have the resources to go all out attack and we don't have the defenders capable of going man to man..so we have to balance all that. I don't think anyone doubts a need to play with a more attacking approach and you can see already that they seem to be pressing further up the pitch with less men rushing back to stand on the D. You can also see more kick passing into the full forward line, this is a work in progress because we simply have ignored this skill for too many years. Last year we won league games and Mickey Harte ridiculed 'it was only the league'. This year we are losing these games and he is still wrong.

100%

Buck stops with Management. If it doesnt work in any other field of profession in the world, the Manager has to take the flack and the blame. He is responsible for "his" team, performances and results

That means he's responsible for back to back ulster titles, something we've done very rarely over the last 100 years.

and for that debacle against Dublin in August last year... all duck or no dinnner

So are you suggesting without an AI win everything else is meaningless? If you are then you're an idiot.    Thankfully most of us are old enough to remember when Tyrone had no AI titles and an Ulster was fondly appreciated by every Tyrone fan.

I think what he is suggesting has some merit, Monaghan have won Ulster twice in the last 5 years, yet ultimately their seasons have been regarded as a failure because they didn't make it past the AIQF. While you may be old enough to remember when Tyrone had no AI titles, ultimately through the introduction of the backdoor (which we benefited from twice very generously) Ulster titles do not mean as much as they ought to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 28, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
from this year onward the provincial win will merely be the quickest way into the super 8s. the trophy will mean very little unless its a county that hasnt won it in 20+ years. the super 8s will be the only show in town from now on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 01, 2018, 12:15:27 AM
Super 3 and middling 5  :-[
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 01, 2018, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 01, 2018, 12:15:27 AM
Super 3 and middling 5  :-[
Super 1, middlin 2, crap 5 ?? :(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 01, 2018, 10:28:21 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 01, 2018, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 01, 2018, 12:15:27 AM
Super 3 and middling 5  :-[
Super 1, middlin 2, crap 5 ?? :(

Mayo give Dublin a great game in the championship and Kerry up there too. Rest a bit behind though...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 28, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
from this year onward the provincial win will merely be the quickest way into the super 8s. the trophy will mean very little unless its a county that hasnt won it in 20+ years. the super 8s will be the only show in town from now on.

I think it was Jack o'connor in his autobiography that called Tyrone fans nouveau riche. Sadly, he was right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 01, 2018, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 28, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
from this year onward the provincial win will merely be the quickest way into the super 8s. the trophy will mean very little unless its a county that hasnt won it in 20+ years. the super 8s will be the only show in town from now on.

I think it was Jack o'connor in his autobiography that called Tyrone fans nouveau riche. Sadly, he was right.

Ulster came to be treated the same by Tyrone management and players last decade. We were all same
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on March 01, 2018, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

Tell us about underage in your own club stg, who has broke through the ranks and came onto the tyrone panel in the last few years? Because from the outside looking in, underage in tyrone is not as healthy as it is portrayed.

The problem is simple and again I will reiterate what is it, we have about 100 footballers of the same calibre in tyrone. We dont have a brian dooher, stephen o neill, peter canavan type player, to name but a few. To prove my point how many tyrone players on the current panel would have got on in 2003/2005??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

How does our underage structure differ from the likes of Armagh, Derry, Down or Donegal? How successful are our senior clubs in the Ulster Championship? Easy lines to trot out STG.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 03:04:10 PM
trust me club football is very strong. at least 8 teams would have a genuine chance of lifting the o neill cup each year. it means the talent pool is much bigger than counties that have only one or two really strong clubs. thats why our champions do poorly enough in ulster. was chattin to an ulster council official from armagh after the omagh v ardboe champ first round game and he said they hadnt seen a game as good in armagh for 20 yrs. it was a very good game but nothin out of the ordinary for the tyrone championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: chieftain on March 01, 2018, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

Tell us about underage in your own club stg, who has broke through the ranks and came onto the tyrone panel in the last few years? Because from the outside looking in, underage in tyrone is not as healthy as it is portrayed.

The problem is simple and again I will reiterate what is it, we have about 100 footballers of the same calibre in tyrone. We dont have a brian dooher, stephen o neill, peter canavan type player, to name but a few. To prove my point how many tyrone players on the current panel would have got on in 2003/2005??
impossible to compare 03/05 team with now. one team was allowed to play football and show how good they could be, the other isnt. we are still delivering all irelands at underage, 2015 u21s and 2017 under 17s so must be doing something right although im not sure if its the acadamies or the clubs delivering this. i suspect its the clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on March 01, 2018, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: chieftain on March 01, 2018, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

Tell us about underage in your own club stg, who has broke through the ranks and came onto the tyrone panel in the last few years? Because from the outside looking in, underage in tyrone is not as healthy as it is portrayed.

The problem is simple and again I will reiterate what is it, we have about 100 footballers of the same calibre in tyrone. We dont have a brian dooher, stephen o neill, peter canavan type player, to name but a few. To prove my point how many tyrone players on the current panel would have got on in 2003/2005??
impossible to compare 03/05 team with now. one team was allowed to play football and show how good they could be, the other isnt. we are still delivering all irelands at underage, 2015 u21s and 2017 under 17s so must be doing something right although im not sure if its the acadamies or the clubs delivering this. i suspect its the clubs.

so your telling me its the same manager who in 2003 allowed players to play but in 2018 isnt allowing the players to play? Catch yourself on man and realise that its because of the class of footballers we have now on the county panel that we are currently 4th- 8th in Ireland on our day.





Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on March 01, 2018, 04:03:53 PM
All games off this weekend.
positive - given plenty of notice!!
negative - have to wait until next week before giving 'the beard' a bashing again!
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 05:23:38 PM
sure we cant beat mayo or kerry either and im sure we have a similar population and resources. not sure what u tryin to say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available.  I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 01, 2018, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: chieftain on March 01, 2018, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: chieftain on March 01, 2018, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

Tell us about underage in your own club stg, who has broke through the ranks and came onto the tyrone panel in the last few years? Because from the outside looking in, underage in tyrone is not as healthy as it is portrayed.

The problem is simple and again I will reiterate what is it, we have about 100 footballers of the same calibre in tyrone. We dont have a brian dooher, stephen o neill, peter canavan type player, to name but a few. To prove my point how many tyrone players on the current panel would have got on in 2003/2005??
impossible to compare 03/05 team with now. one team was allowed to play football and show how good they could be, the other isnt. we are still delivering all irelands at underage, 2015 u21s and 2017 under 17s so must be doing something right although im not sure if its the acadamies or the clubs delivering this. i suspect its the clubs.

so your telling me its the same manager who in 2003 allowed players to play but in 2018 isnt allowing the players to play? Catch yourself on man and realise that its because of the class of footballers we have now on the county panel that we are currently 4th- 8th in Ireland on our day.

Yes that's what we're saying. No other manager in Ireland would've been allowed to continue with the last 10 years

And before you's start, I have on record praised Harte in the past, unfortunately he is on the verge of ruining his legacy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on March 01, 2018, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Are you suggesting that Colm C would make the Dublin team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Benny the truth of the matter is that not one of the current Tyrone senior squad would make the current Dublin team.

Let me ask you this.... Why is it that young Tyrone players who had the skills at youth levels to compete with and beat the best are incapable of developing into senior players who are as good as the best in Ireland....and who is responsible for our lack of ability to develop these players ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 01, 2018, 09:50:17 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Benny the truth of the matter is that not one of the current Tyrone senior squad would make the current Dublin team.

Let me ask you this.... Why is it that young Tyrone players who had the skills at youth levels to compete with and beat the best are incapable of developing into senior players who are as good as the best in Ireland....and who is responsible for our lack of ability to develop these players ?


When can you get the answer to that question we may get the cure....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:57:45 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 01, 2018, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Are you suggesting that Colm C would make the Dublin team?

Possibly - current all star. Might have a chance if McCarthy shifted back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:57:45 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 01, 2018, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Are you suggesting that Colm C would make the Dublin team?

Possibly - current all star. Might have a chance if McCarthy shifted back.

Possibly but you still have not given me any ideas as to what could be happening to our players when the move into the senior ranks. I will open the question out to the rest of the posters on here. Any with possible theories to our inability to develop our players beyond youth level ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Benny the truth of the matter is that not one of the current Tyrone senior squad would make the current Dublin team.

Let me ask you this.... Why is it that young Tyrone players who had the skills at youth levels to compete with and beat the best are incapable of developing into senior players who are as good as the best in Ireland....and who is responsible for our lack of ability to develop these players ?

There's a million and one reasons for this but I'd doubt if the reason is solely one man. Until 2015 we were very poor at U21 level and hadn't reached an AI final since 2003, so the question might be what is happening between minor and U21. The fact of the matter is that everyone is struggling to keep pace with Dublin. My take on things are that 3 or 4 years ago Mickey realised that we were never going to beat Dublin man to man after a few thumping at their hands in big games, (it was interesting to hear Enda McGinley say that the Dubs were the first team they came across to actually retreat and concede every kick out) and Mickey devised a game plan, based on the Donegal system (which had success against Dublin) that was designed to make us competitive against them. Unfortunately when it came to the crunch, Dublin just were too good and had us completely sussed and to be honest made us look foolish and out dated. I don't criticise Harte for his game plan - I understand his reasoning (even though, believe or not it frustrates the hell out of me to watch it at times) but I would criticise the inability to implement a plan B or C when plan A didn't work. Surely we should have known Dublin were prepared for plan A? Anyway, I think Mickey, more than anyone knows that his game plan was flawed against the top teams now - we could have papered over the Kerry and Mayo defeats by talking about key scores missed at crucial times, Bradley's and Skeet's goal chances v Kerry or McCurry's point attempt v Mayo or poor reffing decisions, McNulty's penalty decision v Kerry. But the Dublin game showed our limitations. Mickey knows it and I think that is partly why he was so prickly with Sidebottom and he isn't the type to admit his failings on national TV. So in answer to the question, I don't know why we don't have the players we had a few years ago - maybe it was just a once in a lifetime team and we are finding our level or maybe Mickey is the sole reason why we can't beat Mayo, Kerry and Dublin, but I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt again to see if by championship time we have a tweaked system which at least might make us, if not more competitive, at least better to watch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 01, 2018, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Benny the truth of the matter is that not one of the current Tyrone senior squad would make the current Dublin team.

Let me ask you this.... Why is it that young Tyrone players who had the skills at youth levels to compete with and beat the best are incapable of developing into senior players who are as good as the best in Ireland....and who is responsible for our lack of ability to develop these players ?

There's a million and one reasons for this but I'd doubt if the reason is solely one man. Until 2015 we were very poor at U21 level and hadn't reached an AI final since 2003, so the question might be what is happening between minor and U21. The fact of the matter is that everyone is struggling to keep pace with Dublin. My take on things are that 3 or 4 years ago Mickey realised that we were never going to beat Dublin man to man after a few thumping at their hands in big games, (it was interesting to hear Enda McGinley say that the Dubs were the first team they came across to actually retreat and concede every kick out) and Mickey devised a game plan, based on the Donegal system (which had success against Dublin) that was designed to make us competitive against them. Unfortunately when it came to the crunch, Dublin just were too good and had us completely sussed and to be honest made us look foolish and out dated. I don't criticise Harte for his game plan - I understand his reasoning (even though, believe or not it frustrates the hell out of me to watch it at times) but I would criticise the inability to implement a plan B or C when plan A didn't work. Surely we should have known Dublin were prepared for plan A? Anyway, I think Mickey, more than anyone knows that his game plan was flawed against the top teams now - we could have papered over the Kerry and Mayo defeats by talking about key scores missed at crucial times, Bradley's and Skeet's goal chances v Kerry or McCurry's point attempt v Mayo or poor reffing decisions, McNulty's penalty decision v Kerry. But the Dublin game showed our limitations. Mickey knows it and I think that is partly why he was so prickly with Sidebottom and he isn't the type to admit his failings on national TV. So in answer to the question, I don't know why we don't have the players we had a few years ago - maybe it was just a once in a lifetime team and we are finding our level or maybe Mickey is the sole reason why we can't beat Mayo, Kerry and Dublin, but I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt again to see if by championship time we have a tweaked system which at least might make us, if not more competitive, at least better to watch.


Sensible enough post.... We cant deny people are getting a little fed up with Mickey....where it is true or not true i dont know.... Mickey seems to have fingers in a lot of pies ie...sponsorship dilemma, fixture changes at short notice, Rte and puke football....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 10:49:16 PM
all the more reason to get rid of him. what have we got to lose at this stage? even if we didnt get any all ireland finals it would be nice to watch a bit of decent football and id love to start going to games again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 10:49:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Benny the truth of the matter is that not one of the current Tyrone senior squad would make the current Dublin team.

Let me ask you this.... Why is it that young Tyrone players who had the skills at youth levels to compete with and beat the best are incapable of developing into senior players who are as good as the best in Ireland....and who is responsible for our lack of ability to develop these players ?

There's a million and one reasons for this but I'd doubt if the reason is solely one man. Until 2015 we were very poor at U21 level and hadn't reached an AI final since 2003, so the question might be what is happening between minor and U21. The fact of the matter is that everyone is struggling to keep pace with Dublin. My take on things are that 3 or 4 years ago Mickey realised that we were never going to beat Dublin man to man after a few thumping at their hands in big games, (it was interesting to hear Enda McGinley say that the Dubs were the first team they came across to actually retreat and concede every kick out) and Mickey devised a game plan, based on the Donegal system (which had success against Dublin) that was designed to make us competitive against them. Unfortunately when it came to the crunch, Dublin just were too good and had us completely sussed and to be honest made us look foolish and out dated. I don't criticise Harte for his game plan - I understand his reasoning (even though, believe or not it frustrates the hell out of me to watch it at times) but I would criticise the inability to implement a plan B or C when plan A didn't work. Surely we should have known Dublin were prepared for plan A? Anyway, I think Mickey, more than anyone knows that his game plan was flawed against the top teams now - we could have papered over the Kerry and Mayo defeats by talking about key scores missed at crucial times, Bradley's and Skeet's goal chances v Kerry or McCurry's point attempt v Mayo or poor reffing decisions, McNulty's penalty decision v Kerry. But the Dublin game showed our limitations. Mickey knows it and I think that is partly why he was so prickly with Sidebottom and he isn't the type to admit his failings on national TV. So in answer to the question, I don't know why we don't have the players we had a few years ago - maybe it was just a once in a lifetime team and we are finding our level or maybe Mickey is the sole reason why we can't beat Mayo, Kerry and Dublin, but I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt again to see if by championship time we have a tweaked system which at least might make us, if not more competitive, at least better to watch.

Benny that is a very well thought out and rational post to my question and I suspect you do know the reason as to our lack of ability to allow these players reaching their full potential. I think you do Mickey a disservice by under estimating one man's ability to influence the direction of Tyrone football over the last Ten years. One man is solely responsible for the tactics and style of play that Tyrone has developed. There has only been one constant in the set up and the buck does stop with the manager. I have no doubt had Tyrone been at the top of the pile over the period and developed our players to their full potential then the County manager would have been rightfully lauded for it. I admire the fact that you continue to have faith in Mickey but I and many like me no longer believe in him. last year's pathetic surrender in croke park was the final straw and our Division 1 campaign to date is further evidence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 01, 2018, 11:39:41 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 10:49:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on March 01, 2018, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
i dont believe a county the size of tyrone with all they underage structures and quality club football should be happy just winning ulsters.

We have only a fraction of the population of Dublin, less playing numbers, less money, don't get to play all our games at home (saving money and helping with familiarity), much less u21 success in recent years which is more relevant than minor and we don't have multiple clubs winning and competing for provincial and all ireland club titles that they have. So under what logic should we be expecting to win All Ireland's ahead of them?

That is some nonsense we didn't have any provincial and all ireland club success when we where winning all Ireland's. There is no connection between clubs success at provincial or all ireland level and county success of if there was Armagh Derry would have many more all ireland senior titles than 1. This is typical of the drivel on this board. Fact is having a competitive club scene is a plus for county as it means you have a wider pick of talent available. I don't buy this nonsense that Tyrone don't have the footballers the problem is the negative diatribe that the county senior management has inflicted on the county for 10 years which has seeped into the youth structures and club scene. The Mickey excusers on this board make me laugh with their inability to front up and admit the king has no clothes. Fools.

Just out of interest, of our starting 15, who (maybe bar Colm C) would you have on the Dublin starting team and who would you drop for him?

Benny the truth of the matter is that not one of the current Tyrone senior squad would make the current Dublin team.

Let me ask you this.... Why is it that young Tyrone players who had the skills at youth levels to compete with and beat the best are incapable of developing into senior players who are as good as the best in Ireland....and who is responsible for our lack of ability to develop these players ?

There's a million and one reasons for this but I'd doubt if the reason is solely one man. Until 2015 we were very poor at U21 level and hadn't reached an AI final since 2003, so the question might be what is happening between minor and U21. The fact of the matter is that everyone is struggling to keep pace with Dublin. My take on things are that 3 or 4 years ago Mickey realised that we were never going to beat Dublin man to man after a few thumping at their hands in big games, (it was interesting to hear Enda McGinley say that the Dubs were the first team they came across to actually retreat and concede every kick out) and Mickey devised a game plan, based on the Donegal system (which had success against Dublin) that was designed to make us competitive against them. Unfortunately when it came to the crunch, Dublin just were too good and had us completely sussed and to be honest made us look foolish and out dated. I don't criticise Harte for his game plan - I understand his reasoning (even though, believe or not it frustrates the hell out of me to watch it at times) but I would criticise the inability to implement a plan B or C when plan A didn't work. Surely we should have known Dublin were prepared for plan A? Anyway, I think Mickey, more than anyone knows that his game plan was flawed against the top teams now - we could have papered over the Kerry and Mayo defeats by talking about key scores missed at crucial times, Bradley's and Skeet's goal chances v Kerry or McCurry's point attempt v Mayo or poor reffing decisions, McNulty's penalty decision v Kerry. But the Dublin game showed our limitations. Mickey knows it and I think that is partly why he was so prickly with Sidebottom and he isn't the type to admit his failings on national TV. So in answer to the question, I don't know why we don't have the players we had a few years ago - maybe it was just a once in a lifetime team and we are finding our level or maybe Mickey is the sole reason why we can't beat Mayo, Kerry and Dublin, but I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt again to see if by championship time we have a tweaked system which at least might make us, if not more competitive, at least better to watch.

Benny that is a very well thought out and rational post to my question and I suspect you do know the reason as to our lack of ability to allow these players reaching their full potential. I think you do Mickey a disservice by under estimating one man's ability to influence the direction of Tyrone football over the last Ten years. One man is solely responsible for the tactics and style of play that Tyrone has developed. There has only been one constant in the set up and the buck does stop with the manager. I have no doubt had Tyrone been at the top of the pile over the period and developed our players to their full potential then the County manager would have been rightfully lauded for it. I admire the fact that you continue to have faith in Mickey but I and many like me no longer believe in him. last year's pathetic surrender in croke park was the final straw and our Division 1 campaign to date is further evidence.

+ 1 SkillfulBill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Galer on March 04, 2018, 06:17:26 PM
As a matter of interest is there any credible candidates?People of successful underage managers are not up to managing man eg derry.also the shrewd man would never be the man after the man.so p rouse looks like your number 1 choice?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on March 04, 2018, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: Galer on March 04, 2018, 06:17:26 PM
As a matter of interest is there any credible candidates?People of successful underage managers are not up to managing man eg derry.also the shrewd man would never be the man after the man.so p rouse looks like your number 1 choice?
I think at this stage we just want the head of the serpent on a plate and then start the job of getting a man in. The Tyrone job is very prestigious so many men out theie would see it as an honour to take this great county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Galer on March 04, 2018, 09:09:45 PM
No doubt that most managers in ulster would take the job,but how many have the cv and ability to do it.you are down to a handful of people capable and i cant think of any tryone men with the cv behind them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 04, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
Canavan and Tally
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 04, 2018, 09:55:31 PM
im still going with mc gleenan. will be a hard job for anyone to take over after the mess harte is gonna leave.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 04, 2018, 10:06:30 PM
Who will take it on, play more attractive football and reach the All Ireland semi final without interfering in club fixtures.
That has to be the baseline.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 05, 2018, 09:29:20 AM
Tony Donnelly and Paddy Tally would be a good combo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 05, 2018, 09:57:04 AM
Tally for me and I would trust him to appoint a team he trusts to progress.  I wouldn't be for McGleenan, he has taken Cavan backwards in my opinion, they have had 4 winning u21 sides in the recent past and shows no signs of progress that should/would be expected.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 05, 2018, 10:48:59 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on March 05, 2018, 09:57:04 AM
Tally for me and I would trust him to appoint a team he trusts to progress.  I wouldn't be for McGleenan, he has taken Cavan backwards in my opinion, they have had 4 winning u21 sides in the recent past and shows no signs of progress that should/would be expected.

4 x U-21 sides that played horrible negative defensive football. At least he's trying to change, unlike some....................
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 05, 2018, 11:24:51 AM
Some amount of dreamers on this board. Claim they want to play a better brand of football and in the same breath propose appointing renowned defensive coach Paddy Tally as manager. Where is the evidence that Tally wouldn't have Tyrone playing even more defensively than they already are? St. Mary's used the Tyrone template to win a Sigerson last year and now Galway are playing the most defensive football in Division 1.

Also someone wants a manager who will interfere less with the club scene. In my view the Tyrone club scene is one of the best run in Ireland, with county men featuring in 10 out of 15 league games. Tyrone also adhere to the 13 day rule so you often see county lads playing with their clubs a fortnight before big Ulster Championship games. Without a restructured fixture schedule for the whole of the GAA I'm not sure how any other county manager could improve on this. Indeed there are many weaker counties than Tyrone whose county men play less club matches.

Finally, no manager in the country is going to turn Lee Brennan or Darren McCurry into a 6 foot tall marquee forward like McManus, Geaney or McBrearty who can consistently win his own ball and score from play, because this is where our real problems actually lie.

Some of you just don't know how lucky we have it at the moment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on March 05, 2018, 11:54:56 AM
So to sum up the position of the posters on this board:


- We're too defensive!! WE'RE TOO DEFENSIVE!!! WE NEED A NEW MANAGER!!

- OK so who do you think we should get?

- Paddy Tally!!!


Sweet jaysis. Well sure if it's a more offensive style we're looking for, and if Tally isn't available, maybe we could ask Jim McGuinness? And maybe have Hub Hughes as a new shooting coach? The mind boggles. Lads I'm all for a more attacking style of play, and Paddy Tally has a track record of success that speaks for itself, but bemoaning us being too defensive and then wanting Tally to come in as new manager is just.... bizzarre.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 05, 2018, 11:57:31 AM
Would he let them play like footballers,  or robots?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 05, 2018, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 05, 2018, 11:57:31 AM
Would he let them play like footballers,  or robots?

What does that even mean? Why do you think they play like robots, is it because you heard Joe Brolly say it?

If you mean would Paddy Tally have Tyrone play in a fixed defensive system with forwards funnelling back behind the ball then yes, he absolutely would.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 05, 2018, 12:08:45 PM
Personally I don't mind the defensive system, Dublin play a defensive system.  But its changeable and the players understand their role and have an element of freedom.  I'm not looking to change MH because of his defensive style, its the fact that we haven't beat any of the big guns in the championship because of the rigid system without the need to change it up or try something else. 

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2018, 12:10:45 PM
If anyone seen Chelsea yesterday, could only think of Tyrone against Dublin... losing and defending a defeat. Dreadful
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 05, 2018, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 05, 2018, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 05, 2018, 11:57:31 AM
Would he let them play like footballers,  or robots?

What does that even mean? Why do you think they play like robots, is it because you heard Joe Brolly say it?

If you mean would Paddy Tally have Tyrone play in a fixed defensive system with forwards funnelling back behind the ball then yes, he absolutely would.
I don't listen or read Brollys stuff anymore,  I think he's a bullshitter.  Tally, from what I've seen allows players to play to their strengths , unlike Tyrone who brings better footballers down to a level where they all play the same way ie usually looking beside or behind them instead of driving forward.  The confidence is run out of them, in my humble opinion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 05, 2018, 06:39:14 PM
before any talk of tactics or gameplans, the next manager needs to be much less divisive than mickey. we need someone who  the whole county can get behind and bring a bit of much needed positivity. im not sure he is a top class coach yet but for this reason alone im still with mc gleenan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on March 07, 2018, 03:12:43 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 05, 2018, 06:39:14 PM
before any talk of tactics or gameplans, the next manager needs to be much less divisive than mickey. we need someone who  the whole county can get behind and bring a bit of much needed positivity. im not sure he is a top class coach yet but for this reason alone im still with mc gleenan.
The power of positivity that is exactly what Tyrone need. Is their any at the minute? NO. As I have alluded to before these players are mentally shattered after last August. It was interesting listening to some of the punditry around Arsene Wenger at the weekend for it may aswell have been Mickey they were talking about..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 09, 2018, 02:23:58 PM
Yeah the Wenger comparison has been made a lot by people recently and I can see why.

A good season for me would be beat a Mayo or Kerry in the semis but I fear we've reached a plateau and what saddens me is I can't see me being entertained during the summer getting to the last 8.

Are they not gonna team this week then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 09, 2018, 02:52:27 PM
http://teamtalkmag.com/2018/03/tyrone-team-named-3/
A small ff line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 09, 2018, 02:55:07 PM
Any word on the subs? Are McShane and McClure injured? Good attacking looking team although I've yet to be convinced by McNulty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 09, 2018, 03:01:35 PM
No subs mentioned,  I suppose attack is the way to go at this stage,  up the the men further out to get the quality pass in.  Keep expecting more from McNulty myself, hope he comes good
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Matthew Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Conal McCann, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Darren McCurry, Hugh Pat McGeary, Ronan McNabb, David Mulgrew, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cathal McShane. He injured or what's the story there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 09, 2018, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Matthew Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Conal McCann, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Darren McCurry, Hugh Pat McGeary, Ronan McNabb, David Mulgrew, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cathal McShane. He injured or what's the story there?

Has the Harry Loughran trial finished? He's a big forward with an eye for goal, and he played very little despite having an unbelievable club season.  Id like to see him given a run in the side so we can judge is he the standard required.  He did grab a goal in the McKenna Cup final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 09, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on March 09, 2018, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Matthew Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Conal McCann, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Darren McCurry, Hugh Pat McGeary, Ronan McNabb, David Mulgrew, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cathal McShane. He injured or what's the story there?

Has the Harry Loughran trial finished? He's a big forward with an eye for goal, and he played very little despite having an unbelievable club season.  Id like to see him given a run in the side so we can judge is he the standard required.  He did grab a goal in the McKenna Cup final.

Ciaran McLaughlin and Frank Burns also notable absences from the subs - is it just me or are we receiving less information about injuries within the panel these days?

Harry Loughran scored 1-1 from play in the McKenna cup final and after his great club campaign and with the physically he could offer to our otherwise small forward line surely he is at least worth a place on the bench. So since he is not listed I would assume he is injured, however it would be nice for info like this to be included in the midweek papers for interested supporters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 09, 2018, 06:17:23 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Matthew Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Conal McCann, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Darren McCurry, Hugh Pat McGeary, Ronan McNabb, David Mulgrew, Ronan O'Neill.

No Cathal McShane. He injured or what's the story there?
Be a massive fan of this forward line.
Mattie Niall Sludden & Peter Harte in the half forward line i think is our best line up going forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 09, 2018, 09:28:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Matthew Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Conal McCann, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Darren McCurry, Hugh Pat McGeary, Ronan McNabb, David Mulgrew, Ronan O'Neill.

Best team of the year so far. Exciting forward line. If they play on the front foot it should be a good game. Best of luck Tir eoghain.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 09, 2018, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 09, 2018, 09:28:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Matthew Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Conal McCann, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Darren McCurry, Hugh Pat McGeary, Ronan McNabb, David Mulgrew, Ronan O'Neill.

Best team of the year so far. Exciting forward line. If they play on the front foot it should be a good game. Best of luck Tir eoghain.

He may be a clubman of mine but what has Frank Burns done on Micky Harte since he was awarded man of the match against Antrim in the mckenna cup. Has barely had a look in and now can't even make the 26. I think Tyrone's crying out for a scoring forward like Frank!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on March 09, 2018, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 09, 2018, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 09, 2018, 09:28:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Matthew Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Conal McCann, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Darren McCurry, Hugh Pat McGeary, Ronan McNabb, David Mulgrew, Ronan O'Neill.

Best team of the year so far. Exciting forward line. If they play on the front foot it should be a good game. Best of luck Tir eoghain.

He may be a clubman of mine but what has Frank Burns done on Micky Harte since he was awarded man of the match against Antrim in the mckenna cup. Has barely had a look in and now can't even make the 26. I think Tyrone's crying out for a scoring forward like Frank!

I'd say its more a case of who do you drop from that forward line?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 09, 2018, 11:12:57 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 09, 2018, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 09, 2018, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 09, 2018, 09:28:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
Tyrone (Allianz FL v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Matthew Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Subs: Mickey O'Neill, Rory Brennan, Brendan Burns, Conal McCann, Declan McClure, Aidan McCrory, Darren McCurry, Hugh Pat McGeary, Ronan McNabb, David Mulgrew, Ronan O'Neill.

Best team of the year so far. Exciting forward line. If they play on the front foot it should be a good game. Best of luck Tir eoghain.

He may be a clubman of mine but what has Frank Burns done on Micky Harte since he was awarded man of the match against Antrim in the mckenna cup. Has barely had a look in and now can't even make the 26. I think Tyrone's crying out for a scoring forward like Frank!

I'd say its more a case of who do you drop from that forward line?
If your entirely honest none of them are performing all that well otherwise we wouldn't be sitting on 1 win from 4!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on March 10, 2018, 03:37:52 PM
That's def not the starting team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 10, 2018, 03:53:24 PM
how/where do you get that Eir Sport 2?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on March 10, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 10, 2018, 03:53:24 PM
how/where do you get that Eir Sport 2?

https://subscribe.premiersports.tv (https://subscribe.premiersports.tv)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 10, 2018, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on March 10, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 10, 2018, 03:53:24 PM
how/where do you get that Eir Sport 2?

https://subscribe.premiersports.tv (https://subscribe.premiersports.tv)

ok thanks I'll suss that out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 10, 2018, 06:53:56 PM
frank burns and cathal mc shane in for tyrone. no my brearty for donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 10, 2018, 09:20:14 PM
Much much better tonight. What you think STG?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 10, 2018, 09:21:12 PM
I thought McShane was excellent tonight. Probably the best I've seen him play at that level. I think if he sticks to the basics he can be a very good squad player whether he starts or comes on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on March 10, 2018, 09:27:51 PM
Good win...at one stage it looked as though Donegal were gonna fold like they did last summer..hopefully we can stay up now but 2 tough games left
I think Id be worried if I was a Donegal supporter..look limited without McBrearty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 10, 2018, 09:58:08 PM
Thought Burns for well tonight. Fully agree regarding McShane, still too much wild shooting but getting better.

On a separate note, what did Matty do for black card? Can only assume it was for foul/abusive language as he was fouled in first instance. Furthermore, if he did do some indiscretion should the ball not have been thrown up? Suppose it was balanced out with the ridiculous decision not to black card the keeper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 10, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
Good much needed win tonight. Sludden rightly awarded man of the match thought he was excellent from the goal, winning the penalty and making blocks in the back line. Peter Harte was a mixed bag, took a while to get going. Wonder why MD got the black card, still questions over his leadership.

Hopefully we can use that win as a platform to build on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 10, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 10, 2018, 09:20:14 PM
Much much better tonight. What you think STG?
gonna be honest i never got to see the game. listen on radio and sounded ok performance from tyrone\? positives/negatives anyone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 10, 2018, 10:59:16 PM
Stopped for something to eat just home...so happy with that performance...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 11, 2018, 02:37:59 AM
We're not gonna win Sam but there is a definite change I tactics.
Lee Brennan and Bradley are a HUGE step up from any other forwards we've played in last few years but they need fast early ball.
It's a discussion board and we're entitled to change our mind but I've got hope again.
Not Gonna win Sam but if we kick the ball forward this much then...who knows
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 11, 2018, 09:39:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 10, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 10, 2018, 09:20:14 PM
Much much better tonight. What you think STG?
gonna be honest i never got to see the game. listen on radio and sounded ok performance from tyrone\? positives/negatives anyone?

You are some clown i doubt you see many tyrone games.

Far from perfect but they showed they had a set last night. Treatment harte was getting of the ball was serious. Thought he done well to really come into the game. Ball for sludden for penalty was sublime.

Sludden, bradley and mc shane very goo. Cathal still tries some awful shots. I think we can get a win next week
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 11, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
Sorry Meylers pass! Meyler was also very good
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on March 11, 2018, 10:24:50 AM
The more I see of Cathal McShane the more impressed I am. Also ably assisted by Meyler and sludden these players are the new leaders of this Tyrone team. Great to see Mark Bradley back in business, the goal was class all over it. Lee Brennan is the forward we can't do without although I would like to see a big man in there beside him and Bradley to really get the maximum out of them. Colm Cavanagh maybe? Burns good at the back. Matty Donnelly and Peter Harte have taken a back seat especially Harte who fell over in the tunnel on the way back out for the second half.  Sums up his season really.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 11, 2018, 11:31:05 AM
You'd be sectioned under the mental health act if you were to ever consider moving Colly from his current role. Himself and Cian O'Sullivan are the best sweepers in Ireland.

Hopefully the team gained great confidence from last night and can carry that form into Castlebar next weekend.

Anyone read the BBC report?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/43360853

Particularly the following paragraph:

Midfielder MacNiallais opened the scoring for an attack-minded Donegal side, who played with the wind in the opening period, and when he added a second, a monster effort from 50 metres, Donegal led by 0-3 to 0-1 after six minutes.

How is it that Donegal have gained this mantle across the media board? If anything we were much more commited to attack than Donegal! There is clearly amore focused approach to our forward play and there were plently of times we had 3 players inside the Donegal 30m line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 11, 2018, 01:07:37 PM
Burns was excellent I thought. Meyler mcshane and cavanagh also very good. Brining bradley to 11 resulted in the improved performance I thought, because the first 20/25 minutes were poor. Sludden was excellent in everything good about last night. Certainly room for optimism.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on March 11, 2018, 03:46:26 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 11, 2018, 11:31:05 AM
You'd be sectioned under the mental health act if you were to ever consider moving Colly from his current role. Himself and Cian O'Sullivan are the best sweepers in Ireland.

Hopefully the team gained great confidence from last night and can carry that form into Castlebar next weekend.

Anyone read the BBC report?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/43360853

Particularly the following paragraph:

Midfielder MacNiallais opened the scoring for an attack-minded Donegal side, who played with the wind in the opening period, and when he added a second, a monster effort from 50 metres, Donegal led by 0-3 to 0-1 after six minutes.

How is it that Donegal have gained this mantle across the media board? If anything we were much more commited to attack than Donegal! There is clearly amore focused approach to our forward play and there were plently of times we had 3 players inside the Donegal 30m line.
Anytime Colm Cavanagh went to 14 in the past he was a real handful. Sweepers are for the council their are  enough players at the back who should be doing what Colm does.Think positive think big.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 12, 2018, 10:12:03 AM
I think Frank Burns is a must in the middle - strong, physical and can play ball!

McShane playing well - if he can concentrate on the simple things he'll get plenty of game time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 12, 2018, 01:31:16 PM
Great to get the win and more importantly the 2 points,  big game v Mayo.
Shouldn't forget who was missing for Donegal I think--obviously McBrearty would have been very influential,  but McGee and MGlynn would be strong also
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 12, 2018, 01:38:54 PM
Donegal have 2 winnable games so Tyrone cant afford to take the foot of the gas just yet.  Nice that the points are banked but another win is required and opportunities to possibly relegate Kerry or Mayo which would be nice.  although Kerry will be expecting to beat Kildare.  I hope Donegal do win their last 2 games to test Tyrone under pressure.  Saturday was a pressure game and they came through it after a poor start. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 12, 2018, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 11, 2018, 02:37:59 AM
We're not gonna win Sam but there is a definite change I tactics.
Lee Brennan and Bradley are a HUGE step up from any other forwards we've played in last few years but they need fast early ball.
It's a discussion board and we're entitled to change our mind but I've got hope again.
Not Gonna win Sam but if we kick the ball forward this much then...who knows

We certainly weren't going to win Sam playing the style of the past couple of seasons. It's still an unlikely prospect but any move towards a more positive style is welcome. You have zero chance of beating the the top sides without offering significantly more in attack than we have been.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 13, 2018, 11:03:08 PM
Darren McCurry has opted out of the panel. Work reasons apparently.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 13, 2018, 11:04:20 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 13, 2018, 11:03:08 PM
Darren McCurry has opted out of the panel. Work reasons apparently.
just seen that. not surprised. wonder who will be next....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 13, 2018, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 13, 2018, 11:04:20 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 13, 2018, 11:03:08 PM
Darren McCurry has opted out of the panel. Work reasons apparently.
just seen that. not surprised. wonder who will be next....

I wondered how long it would take you to jump in...you never disappoint.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 13, 2018, 11:07:35 PM
not many tradesmen left playing county football to be fair....not easy...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 14, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Big call from McCurry, been on the panel now since he's be 18 years of age, been a great servant..
It will be interesting to see if any other players do follow suit but I don't think anyone else will to be fair.
A year playing club football for McCurry could bring him on again and gain that confidence that he seems to be missing, lets not forget he's never had a full season of playing constant football as he's been on the panel from such a young age so I wont be surprised if McCurry finishes the season now as top scorer, gets the confidence up and is back in again next year!!
The only worry that Edendork should have now about McCurry is that he is going to have to avoid the temptations of the American dollar now as surely the clubs in the States will come poaching!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 14, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
Feel sorry for mc curry. When u think back to the confident, quick thinking, free scoring forward he was in the early years and see what Harte has reduced him to its a real shame. Hope he enjoys his club football this year. Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 14, 2018, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 14, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Big call from McCurry, been on the panel now since he's be 18 years of age, been a great servant..
It will be interesting to see if any other players do follow suit but I don't think anyone else will to be fair.
A year playing club football for McCurry could bring him on again and gain that confidence that he seems to be missing, lets not forget he's never had a full season of playing constant football as he's been on the panel from such a young age so I wont be surprised if McCurry finishes the season now as top scorer, gets the confidence up and is back in again next year!!
The only worry that Edendork should have now about McCurry is that he is going to have to avoid the temptations of the American dollar now as surely the clubs in the States will come poaching!

Don't think Edendork need to worry about the American dollar, does McCurry not have a young family?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on March 14, 2018, 11:13:39 AM
wouldn't be surprised if likes of Ronan ONeill follows suit, doesn't appear to be getting any game time now...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 14, 2018, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 14, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Big call from McCurry, been on the panel now since he's be 18 years of age, been a great servant..
It will be interesting to see if any other players do follow suit but I don't think anyone else will to be fair.
A year playing club football for McCurry could bring him on again and gain that confidence that he seems to be missing, lets not forget he's never had a full season of playing constant football as he's been on the panel from such a young age so I wont be surprised if McCurry finishes the season now as top scorer, gets the confidence up and is back in again next year!!
The only worry that Edendork should have now about McCurry is that he is going to have to avoid the temptations of the American dollar now as surely the clubs in the States will come poaching!

There is a reason he didn't get a consistent run.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 14, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 14, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
Feel sorry for mc curry. When u think back to the confident, quick thinking, free scoring forward he was in the early years and see what Harte has reduced him to its a real shame. Hope he enjoys his club football this year. Best of luck to him.

Aye, he looked deadly in division 2 that year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 14, 2018, 05:26:39 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 14, 2018, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 14, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Big call from McCurry, been on the panel now since he's be 18 years of age, been a great servant..
It will be interesting to see if any other players do follow suit but I don't think anyone else will to be fair.
A year playing club football for McCurry could bring him on again and gain that confidence that he seems to be missing, lets not forget he's never had a full season of playing constant football as he's been on the panel from such a young age so I wont be surprised if McCurry finishes the season now as top scorer, gets the confidence up and is back in again next year!!
The only worry that Edendork should have now about McCurry is that he is going to have to avoid the temptations of the American dollar now as surely the clubs in the States will come poaching!

Don't think Edendork need to worry about the American dollar, does McCurry not have a young family?

No, America could be an option. Especially if Senior Championship isn't going to be played off to the end of August...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on March 14, 2018, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 14, 2018, 05:26:39 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 14, 2018, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 14, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Big call from McCurry, been on the panel now since he's be 18 years of age, been a great servant..
It will be interesting to see if any other players do follow suit but I don't think anyone else will to be fair.
A year playing club football for McCurry could bring him on again and gain that confidence that he seems to be missing, lets not forget he's never had a full season of playing constant football as he's been on the panel from such a young age so I wont be surprised if McCurry finishes the season now as top scorer, gets the confidence up and is back in again next year!!
The only worry that Edendork should have now about McCurry is that he is going to have to avoid the temptations of the American dollar now as surely the clubs in the States will come poaching!

Don't think Edendork need to worry about the American dollar, does McCurry not have a young family?

No, America could be an option. Especially if Senior Championship isn't going to be played off to the end of August...
Rumour has it Conor Mallon and Conn Kilpatrick already leaving the Dork to go stateside. I'd well believe that McCurry would follow suit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 14, 2018, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 14, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 14, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
Feel sorry for mc curry. When u think back to the confident, quick thinking, free scoring forward he was in the early years and see what Harte has reduced him to its a real shame. Hope he enjoys his club football this year. Best of luck to him.

Aye, he looked deadly in division 2 that year!

Typical horrible statement from a horrible poster
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 14, 2018, 11:57:58 PM
i hope ur referring to redhand, in hiding?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on March 15, 2018, 07:14:28 AM
Why does this surprise anyone? Darren McCurry sitting on the bench watching Mickey's nephew start and finish every game for the last SIX years and continually underperforming(just overrated more like). The resentment would have surely grown. He came on against Dublin last August and was the only one apart from Colly to show a bit of fire in the belly. A sad day for Tyrone football when another player walks away but a good day for Darren because he will be happy in his life now. Who's next?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 15, 2018, 07:57:33 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on March 15, 2018, 07:14:28 AM
Why does this surprise anyone? Darren McCurry sitting on the bench watching Mickey's nephew start and finish every game for the last SIX years and continually underperforming(just overrated more like). The resentment would have surely grown. He came on against Dublin last August and was the only one apart from Colly to show a bit of fire in the belly. A sad day for Tyrone football when another player walks away but a good day for Darren because he will be happy in his life now. Who's next?

A bit harsh in a way as Peter Harte has been one of Tyrone's best performers in the past 6 years, Esp when he won the All Star a couple of Seasons ago!!
I will agree that yes this season he has been poor and should have been taken off in a few of the games but then any number of players could have been and some where taken off with no complaints and I know Id always rather Petey Harte was on as he can produce that explosiveness at any moment of the game and make something happen!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 15, 2018, 08:13:52 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 15, 2018, 07:57:33 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on March 15, 2018, 07:14:28 AM
Why does this surprise anyone? Darren McCurry sitting on the bench watching Mickey's nephew start and finish every game for the last SIX years and continually underperforming(just overrated more like). The resentment would have surely grown. He came on against Dublin last August and was the only one apart from Colly to show a bit of fire in the belly. A sad day for Tyrone football when another player walks away but a good day for Darren because he will be happy in his life now. Who's next?

A bit harsh in a way as Peter Harte has been one of Tyrone's best performers in the past 6 years, Esp when he won the All Star a couple of Seasons ago!!
I will agree that yes this season he has been poor and should have been taken off in a few of the games but then any number of players could have been and some where taken off with no complaints and I know Id always rather Petey Harte was on as he can produce that explosiveness at any moment of the game and make something happen!!

Agreed, bit of a silly statement to say Peter Harte was undeserving of a place ahead of McCurry. One of Tyrone's best and most consistent players. McCurry himself shows glimpses of ability but lacked the consistency. This was a club vs county decision he made. Sees himself getting 5 extra games with the club when he wouldn't of got those minutes with Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 15, 2018, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: In hiding on March 14, 2018, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 14, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 14, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
Feel sorry for mc curry. When u think back to the confident, quick thinking, free scoring forward he was in the early years and see what Harte has reduced him to its a real shame. Hope he enjoys his club football this year. Best of luck to him.

Aye, he looked deadly in division 2 that year!

Typical horrible statement from a horrible poster

Say what? Dry your eyes petal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 15, 2018, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on March 14, 2018, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 14, 2018, 05:26:39 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 14, 2018, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 14, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Big call from McCurry, been on the panel now since he's be 18 years of age, been a great servant..
It will be interesting to see if any other players do follow suit but I don't think anyone else will to be fair.
A year playing club football for McCurry could bring him on again and gain that confidence that he seems to be missing, lets not forget he's never had a full season of playing constant football as he's been on the panel from such a young age so I wont be surprised if McCurry finishes the season now as top scorer, gets the confidence up and is back in again next year!!
The only worry that Edendork should have now about McCurry is that he is going to have to avoid the temptations of the American dollar now as surely the clubs in the States will come poaching!

Don't think Edendork need to worry about the American dollar, does McCurry not have a young family?

No, America could be an option. Especially if Senior Championship isn't going to be played off to the end of August...
Rumour has it Conor Mallon and Conn Kilpatrick already leaving the Dork to go stateside. I'd well believe that McCurry would follow suit.

If anywhere, you'd imagine it'll be Sydney with a brother still out that direction.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 15, 2018, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 15, 2018, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on March 14, 2018, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 14, 2018, 05:26:39 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 14, 2018, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 14, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Big call from McCurry, been on the panel now since he's be 18 years of age, been a great servant..
It will be interesting to see if any other players do follow suit but I don't think anyone else will to be fair.
A year playing club football for McCurry could bring him on again and gain that confidence that he seems to be missing, lets not forget he's never had a full season of playing constant football as he's been on the panel from such a young age so I wont be surprised if McCurry finishes the season now as top scorer, gets the confidence up and is back in again next year!!
The only worry that Edendork should have now about McCurry is that he is going to have to avoid the temptations of the American dollar now as surely the clubs in the States will come poaching!

Don't think Edendork need to worry about the American dollar, does McCurry not have a young family?

No, America could be an option. Especially if Senior Championship isn't going to be played off to the end of August...
Rumour has it Conor Mallon and Conn Kilpatrick already leaving the Dork to go stateside. I'd well believe that McCurry would follow suit.

If anywhere, you'd imagine it'll be Sydney with a brother still out that direction.

Yeah was thinkn that but much easier to accept $20,000 and a free flight the states!

Time will tell, I heard The Dork are flyin in pre season so maybe he just wants to have a full season with the club!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 15, 2018, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 15, 2018, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: In hiding on March 14, 2018, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 14, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 14, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
Feel sorry for mc curry. When u think back to the confident, quick thinking, free scoring forward he was in the early years and see what Harte has reduced him to its a real shame. Hope he enjoys his club football this year. Best of luck to him.

Aye, he looked deadly in division 2 that year!

Typical horrible statement from a horrible poster

Say what? Dry your eyes petal

Mc Curry is a fine footballer. Didn't progress the way some other lads have but the way Tyrone play over the last 3 or 4 years has done him absolutely no favours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 15, 2018, 05:19:12 PM
Eoin Mc Cusker has retired apparently great servant to Dromore for the past 20 yrs from youth level to senior.Was county standard imo but never really got a real chance.He would be head and shoulders above some of the present incumbents on panel.Almost all Dromore players of 07 09 and 11 have retired or moved club.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 15, 2018, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: In hiding on March 15, 2018, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 15, 2018, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: In hiding on March 14, 2018, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 14, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 14, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
Feel sorry for mc curry. When u think back to the confident, quick thinking, free scoring forward he was in the early years and see what Harte has reduced him to its a real shame. Hope he enjoys his club football this year. Best of luck to him.

Aye, he looked deadly in division 2 that year!

Typical horrible statement from a horrible poster

Say what? Dry your eyes petal

Mc Curry is a fine footballer. Didn't progress the way some other lads have but the way Tyrone play over the last 3 or 4 years has done him absolutely no favours.
It used to be that going to the county team improved you as a player;  I really don't think that is the case in Tyrone any more
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 15, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
Disappointed but understand. McCurry was a handy sub to bring on in certain games. Good squad player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 15, 2018, 09:38:30 PM
mc currys scoring stats are actually quite impressive for a lad that was mostly used as a sub. avg 3 points per game in 30 championship games. i wonder what the likes of mattie donnelly and peter harte are averaging?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 15, 2018, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 15, 2018, 05:19:12 PM
Eoin Mc Cusker has retired apparently great servant to Dromore for the past 20 yrs from youth level to senior.Was county standard imo but never really got a real chance.He would be head and shoulders above some of the present incumbents on panel.Almost all Dromore players of 07 09 and 11 have retired or moved club.

I may be wrong but I don't think Eoin wanted to play for Tyrone. Probably a decision that enhanced his club career. Very good footballer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 16, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
TYRONE: Mickey O'Neill; Hugh Pat McGeary, Padraig Hampsey, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Frank Burns, Peter Harte; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Mattie Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Cathal McShane; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 16, 2018, 10:09:03 AM
McKernan must be pushing McCarron's place... Id say so. By all accounts they may pray Sludden doesn't get injured, the main man now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 16, 2018, 10:09:43 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 16, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
TYRONE: Mickey O'Neill; Hugh Pat McGeary, Padraig Hampsey, Cathal McCarron; Conor Meyler, Frank Burns, Peter Harte; Colm Cavanagh, Padraig McNulty; Mattie Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Cathal McShane; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Mark Bradley.

Decent enough team - Mayo in Castlebar is no mean feat though, Tyrone done well to get the 2 pts out last time as Mayo will be starting to pick up at this stage after their obligatory poor league start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 16, 2018, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 16, 2018, 10:09:03 AM
McKernan must be pushing McCarron's place... Id say so. By all accounts they may pray Sludden doesn't get injured, the main man now.
Defence definitely starting to look a bit more solid with Hampsey and Burns spine.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 16, 2018, 10:51:02 AM
Thought mc carron was good v Donegal but McKiernan definitely pushing for a spot. Would rather have morgan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 16, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
1 Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
3 Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
4 Cathal McCarron – Athí
5 Conor Meyler – An Ómaigh
6 Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 Matthew Donnelly (C) – Trí Leac
11 Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
13 Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
14 Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
15 Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair

16 Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
17 Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
18 Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
19 Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
20 Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
22 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
25 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
26 David Mulgrew – Ard Bó

Interesting that Ronan O'Neill doesn't make the bench - with McCurry now gone we are suddenly very light on forwards to turn to to freshen things up in the second half (of the 10 outfield subs listed I'd say only McCann, McClure and Mulgrew would be classed as attackers). Ronan McHugh had a poor McKenna Cup final and seems out of favour, while I still haven't heard anything on why Harry Loughran hasn't been making the panel.

No sign of McNamee this week either, injured as well?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 16, 2018, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 16, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
1 Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
3 Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
4 Cathal McCarron – Athí
5 Conor Meyler – An Ómaigh
6 Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 Matthew Donnelly (C) – Trí Leac
11 Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
13 Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
14 Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
15 Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair

16 Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
17 Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
18 Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
19 Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
20 Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
22 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
25 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
26 David Mulgrew – Ard Bó

Interesting that Ronan O'Neill doesn't make the bench - with McCurry now gone we are suddenly very light on forwards to turn to to freshen things up in the second half (of the 10 outfield subs listed I'd say only McCann, McClure and Mulgrew would be classed as attackers). Ronan McHugh had a poor McKenna Cup final and seems out of favour, while I still haven't heard anything on why Harry Loughran hasn't been making the panel.

No sign of McNamee this week either, injured as well?

He not on the naughty chair after going on beer after Sigerson Game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 16, 2018, 11:21:54 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 16, 2018, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 16, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
1 Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
3 Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
4 Cathal McCarron – Athí
5 Conor Meyler – An Ómaigh
6 Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 Matthew Donnelly (C) – Trí Leac
11 Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
13 Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
14 Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
15 Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair

16 Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
17 Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
18 Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
19 Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
20 Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
22 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
25 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
26 David Mulgrew – Ard Bó

Interesting that Ronan O'Neill doesn't make the bench - with McCurry now gone we are suddenly very light on forwards to turn to to freshen things up in the second half (of the 10 outfield subs listed I'd say only McCann, McClure and Mulgrew would be classed as attackers). Ronan McHugh had a poor McKenna Cup final and seems out of favour, while I still haven't heard anything on why Harry Loughran hasn't been making the panel.

No sign of McNamee this week either, injured as well?

He not on the naughty chair after going on beer after Sigerson Game?

According to STG... He's played a few games since that though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 16, 2018, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 16, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
1 Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
3 Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
4 Cathal McCarron – Athí
5 Conor Meyler – An Ómaigh
6 Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 Matthew Donnelly (C) – Trí Leac
11 Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
13 Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
14 Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
15 Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair

16 Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
17 Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
18 Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
19 Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
20 Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
22 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
25 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
26 David Mulgrew – Ard Bó

Interesting that Ronan O'Neill doesn't make the bench - with McCurry now gone we are suddenly very light on forwards to turn to to freshen things up in the second half (of the 10 outfield subs listed I'd say only McCann, McClure and Mulgrew would be classed as attackers). Ronan McHugh had a poor McKenna Cup final and seems out of favour, while I still haven't heard anything on why Harry Loughran hasn't been making the panel.

No sign of McNamee this week either, injured as well?

The bench looks to be more or less alphabetical, O'Neill could be on it yet. McShane wasn't named last week but played wearing 30.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on March 16, 2018, 11:31:42 AM
Decent enough team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 16, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
Where's Ritchie Donnelly gone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 16, 2018, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 16, 2018, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 16, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
1 Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
3 Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
4 Cathal McCarron – Athí
5 Conor Meyler – An Ómaigh
6 Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 Matthew Donnelly (C) – Trí Leac
11 Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
13 Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
14 Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
15 Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair

16 Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
17 Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
18 Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
19 Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
20 Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
22 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
25 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
26 David Mulgrew – Ard Bó

Interesting that Ronan O'Neill doesn't make the bench - with McCurry now gone we are suddenly very light on forwards to turn to to freshen things up in the second half (of the 10 outfield subs listed I'd say only McCann, McClure and Mulgrew would be classed as attackers). Ronan McHugh had a poor McKenna Cup final and seems out of favour, while I still haven't heard anything on why Harry Loughran hasn't been making the panel.

No sign of McNamee this week either, injured as well?

The bench looks to be more or less alphabetical, O'Neill could be on it yet. McShane wasn't named last week but played wearing 30.

How does that work by the way? I thought the 24 was the 24 these days?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on March 18, 2018, 11:30:58 AM
Anyone know of any streams showing the game today? Any chance tg4 will show a game with some hurling called off?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 18, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
No chance, TG4 tweeted to say it would be impossible to move their gear to another ground in time.

The wireless our only option.

http://teamtalkmag.com/2018/03/live-radio-mayo-v-tyrone-sun-18th-march-150pm/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 18, 2018, 02:25:31 PM
Teamtalk do some moaning about referees in Tyrone games. Same again today. A great service all the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 18, 2018, 02:25:31 PM
Teamtalk do some moaning about referees in Tyrone games. Same again today. A great service all the same.

You'd do a fair bit of moaning yourself about things on here too. Interesting that when Tyrone go 8-1 up, that's what you comment on.

It sounded fairly legitimate there. Deegan gives a yellow for an off the ball hit which leads to Hugh Pat being strechered off but then nearly straight away black cards Colm Cav. Will be interestiing to see the incident on TV.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2018, 02:35:31 PM
Straight red for Paudie McNulty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 18, 2018, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 18, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 18, 2018, 02:25:31 PM
Teamtalk do some moaning about referees in Tyrone games. Same again today. A great service all the same.

You'd do a fair bit of moaning yourself about things on here too. Interesting that when Tyrone go 8-1 up, that's what you comment on.

It sounded fairly legitimate there. Deegan gives a yellow for an off the ball hit which leads to Hugh Pat being strechered off but then nearly straight away black cards Colm Cav. Will be interestiing to see the incident on TV.

Was same last week constant about the ref. Damian thinks red for McNulty and Noel thinks not this time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2018, 03:22:26 PM
Tyrone going rightly here. 1-11 to 0-4
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 18, 2018, 03:25:39 PM
They are indeed : )
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 18, 2018, 03:25:57 PM
Long live the Harte era!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 18, 2018, 03:30:01 PM
Mayo be a very different proposition in summer as will Kerry and Dubs as we've found out the last ten years but good win all the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2018, 03:37:03 PM
Lee Brennan top scorer in Division 1.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2018, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 18, 2018, 03:30:01 PM
Mayo be a very different proposition in summer as will Kerry and Dubs as we've found out the last ten years but good win all the same.

Aye they will but two good wins when the pressure was on in the league bodes well for us too. We are scoring goals which is also a good sign.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 18, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
summer will tell
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 03:43:00 PM
and its shows that we DO have the footballers. this team can still go close to an all ireland but just wouldnt trust harte to deliver it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on March 18, 2018, 06:01:02 PM
Any word on the the injury to McGeary
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on March 18, 2018, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 03:43:00 PM
and its shows that we DO have the footballers. this team can still go close to an all ireland but just wouldnt trust harte to deliver it.

You wouldn't trust a man who has won 3 all irelands to deliver an all Ireland (https://img1.cgtrader.com/items/689991/7bac3a84e0/large/emoji-thinking-3d-model-low-poly-max-obj-3ds-fbx.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 06:55:01 PM
exactly christmas, i wouldnt trust a man who delivered all irelands 10 or 15 years ago to do it now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 18, 2018, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 06:55:01 PM
exactly christmas, i wouldnt trust a man who delivered all irelands 10 or 15 years ago to do it now.

But you'd trust Mattie McGleenan who has won.........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 09:16:42 PM
mc gleenan has won the same amount of senior all irelands as harte had before he got the tyrone job u morons. none
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 18, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 09:16:42 PM
mc gleenan has won the same amount of senior all irelands as harte had before he got the tyrone job u morons. none

Micky harte won 1 all ireland minor, 2 all ireland u21s and an ulster club with Errigal you fool!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 09:29:02 PM
read my post again fool.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 18, 2018, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 09:29:02 PM
read my post again fool.

I did read it and you chose to ignore the fact he was given the tyrone senior job based on what he'd won at youth level with Tyrone and club level with Errigal. I really shouldn't take the bait from an ill informed fool like yourself!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 18, 2018, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 09:29:02 PM
read my post again fool.

I did read it and you chose to ignore the fact he was given the tyrone senior job based on what he'd won at youth level with Tyrone and club level with Errigal. I really shouldn't take the bait from an ill informed fool like yourself!
[ its a pity a few other tyrone men havent been awarded the tyrone job based on their underage success then. closed shop.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Real Talk on March 18, 2018, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 18, 2018, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 18, 2018, 03:30:01 PM
Mayo be a very different proposition in summer as will Kerry and Dubs as we've found out the last ten years but good win all the same.

Aye they will but two good wins when the pressure was on in the league bodes well for us too. We are scoring goals which is also a good sign.
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Maybe Stephen O'Neill addition to the back room team is starting to make a deference
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 18, 2018, 10:09:16 PM
Do something similar v Kerry and they'll head into the championship in good shape. Monaghan shaping up well too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 18, 2018, 10:28:39 PM
lee brennan really is a special talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 18, 2018, 11:50:15 PM
Have we still not beaten a big team in years??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 19, 2018, 12:44:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 18, 2018, 11:50:15 PM
Have we still not beaten a big team in years??

Oh my good god
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on March 19, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
Tyrone have to go to ta to with Dublin now. They are the only team who are capable of turning them over. Lee Brennan putting Jonny cooper on his ass a few times in front of the hill. To think that group of mayo players came so close to an All Ireland? Maurice Deegan was a disgrace today. Dangerous play has to be cut out from the game. Young mcgeary was done and a straight red the only option.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on March 19, 2018, 07:28:31 AM
Any word of HP McGeary's injury? Hopes he recovers quickly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 19, 2018, 07:46:17 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on March 19, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
Tyrone have to go to ta to with Dublin now. They are the only team who are capable of turning them over. Lee Brennan putting Jonny cooper on his ass a few times in front of the hill. To think that group of mayo players came so close to an All Ireland? Maurice Deegan was a disgrace today. Dangerous play has to be cut out from the game. Young mcgeary was done and a straight red the only option.
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 19, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/43452648

Appears that he may have a stress fracture or heavy brusing. Hopefully, it's the later.

LeoMc, I'm assuming he meant toe to toe. Although, had a wee chuckle at the part about Lee sticking Cooper on his arse.

Btw, deadly to see Lee at the top of the scoring charts. Fair play to the lad! Not too often we are a Tyrone man in that position. You could argue that Harte should have had him in earlier, however, I think he's went about it the right way. Last year seemed to early for him and knocking about the fringes of the panel has obviously helped him.

If we can get Mark Bradley and Skeet more involved in front of the posts we could make good inroads this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 19, 2018, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on March 19, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
Tyrone have to go to ta to with Dublin now. They are the only team who are capable of turning them over. Lee Brennan putting Jonny cooper on his ass a few times in front of the hill. To think that group of mayo players came so close to an All Ireland? Maurice Deegan was a disgrace today. Dangerous play has to be cut out from the game. Young mcgeary was done and a straight red the only option.

Unbelievably, they could have had 3 or 4 all Ireland's at this stage. We are not that far behind winning one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 19, 2018, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 19, 2018, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on March 19, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
Tyrone have to go to ta to with Dublin now. They are the only team who are capable of turning them over. Lee Brennan putting Jonny cooper on his ass a few times in front of the hill. To think that group of mayo players came so close to an All Ireland? Maurice Deegan was a disgrace today. Dangerous play has to be cut out from the game. Young mcgeary was done and a straight red the only option.

Unbelievably, they could have had 3 or 4 all Ireland's at this stage. We are not that far behind winning one.

On the basis that we beat Mayo in the league in March ??
Galway drew with Dublin yesterday, where does that leave them ?
Tyrone are a good side. Better than most in the country. For the last 3 or 4 years now the same idiots keep telling us all how close we are to winning the AI. Why don't we all just sit back and see how it goes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on March 19, 2018, 12:41:15 PM
Solid performance and Brennan shows the class that he undoubtedly has.

Just to temper everyones expectations we are super when we go head to head with a team but are we fit for it in CP?

I dont think our defence is as good as Mayo's yet which allows them go toe to toe with Dublin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on March 19, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
To be fair to Harte he's tempered lee nicely into senior football. How often have we seen young talents thrown into the deep end only to watch them flounder? I've a feeling Kerry are doing that with Clifford. Donnelly's form is carrying us through this league nicely, would be lost without him.

Hope Hugh pat's injury isn't serious, we need him in the starting team. Meyler is a finer half back than half forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 19, 2018, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 19, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
To be fair to Harte he's tempered lee nicely into senior football. How often have we seen young talents thrown into the deep end only to watch them flounder? I've a feeling Kerry are doing that with Clifford. Donnelly's form is carrying us through this league nicely, would be lost without him.

Hope Hugh pat's injury isn't serious, we need him in the starting team. Meyler is a finer half back than half forward.

Will Meyler and Harte keep McCann out when fit again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 19, 2018, 12:57:15 PM
Donnelly and Harte seemed to be involved in everything yesterday. They are going to be key in the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on March 19, 2018, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: trileacman on March 19, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
To be fair to Harte he's tempered lee nicely into senior football. How often have we seen young talents thrown into the deep end only to watch them flounder? I've a feeling Kerry are doing that with Clifford. Donnelly's form is carrying us through this league nicely, would be lost without him.

Hope Hugh pat's injury isn't serious, we need him in the starting team. Meyler is a finer half back than half forward.

Clifford already looks like Kerry's best forward, can't see him floundering too much
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 19, 2018, 03:49:46 PM
Mayo were a bit of a shambles yesterday and got worse as it went on with the loss of influential players, but it was still another encouraging display. Tyrone do have plenty of fine footballers in attack, whatever anyone has argued in recent times, and with the right style can hurt teams. Important to put in a decent display against Kerry now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 19, 2018, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 19, 2018, 03:49:46 PM
Mayo were a bit of a shambles yesterday and got worse as it went on with the loss of influential players, but it was still another encouraging display. Tyrone do have plenty of fine footballers in attack, whatever anyone has argued in recent times, and with the right style can hurt teams. Important to put in a decent display against Kerry now.

Agreed, definitely encouraging stuff yesterday. Whilst we played some good stuff in the early part of the League last year we were still going into the championship without having beaten any of the big 3 in a couple of years so I think yesterday's victory will do our confidence the world of good.

Definite caveats apply in that Mayo were missing a host of key men as the game went on but they still had plenty of experience on the pitch and it shouldn't be forgotten that we were missing Colm Cav, Tiernan McCann and Ronan McNamee from last year's championship team. Three of our big leaders so do perform like that without them is encouraging.

Great to see Lee finishing like that against big opposition, he skinned all star full back Ger Cafferkey for his goal and point from play and I think he will only improve as the year goes on and ball gets drier.

It would be great to beat Kerry now at the weekend and really go into the Championship on a high and with serious competition for places!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 19, 2018, 09:52:25 PM
The forward play is really encouraging but I'm starting to get a feeling we're beginning to see the development of some real good options in corner back. HP has been in flying form and McKernan had impressed me a lot. Hampsey and Burns look to be holding the spine of the defence really well, too.

Serious competition for places all over the field now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 20, 2018, 08:33:19 AM
At least a few wins keeps the anti harte anti system hysteria away for a while. As I've said before you never read too much into the league but it's been an encouraging couple of displays which will give the team a lot more confidence entering the championship. A couple of big positives from the league are:

- A number of players who weren't previously in the first 15 have stepped up in recent weeks - particularly the lads from the last u21 win - Burns, McShane, Meyler, Brennan. Hugh Pat and McKernan have also did well. The team definitely needed freshened up with more options so this has been encouraging. Burns has made a great start to the number 6 role.
- Our tactics have definitely been tweaked from last year. They have throughout the year but because we were losing games early in the league people who weren't attending the games just kept throwing out the same lines from recent years. We are pushing up more and more on kickouts which is great to see as it can allow you dominate for spells of a game. I just hope come the championship we are brave enough to do it against the top teams and not half push up like against Dublin last year.
- It's great to have a finisher inside like Brennan who can convert chances. He does need to keep working on the frees as he has missed 4 or 5 in the last few games that you need to be scoring. He will also find the championship a big step up like McCarron from Monaghan did last year. But he has shown a lot of promise so far.

Onto this weeks game and I'm sure Harte will be targeting a win to keep momentum up. However, he'll also need to give players a run out to ensure a lot of players get game time. I'd go with something like this:

O'Neill
McNamee
Hampsey
McKernan
R Brennan
Burns
Meyler
Cavanagh
McClure
McGeary
Mulgrew
Mattie
Brennan
McAliskey
O'Neill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 20, 2018, 10:45:14 AM
Fair play to Tyrone, didn't think they would get anything in Castlebar personally. Didn't see the game so can't comment too much although as previously mentioned, Mayo are a different side in the summer.

Still though, encouraging signs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on March 20, 2018, 12:51:48 PM
Id fear for Mayo tbh.  Their league has been shambolic enough.  Its not good going into the championship whatever way you look at it. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HalfBack7 on March 20, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 20, 2018, 10:45:14 AM
Fair play to Tyrone, didn't think they would get anything in Castlebar personally. Didn't see the game so can't comment too much although as previously mentioned, Mayo are a different side in the summer.

Still though, encouraging signs.

Highlights from the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_AZm0eat1M
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 20, 2018, 03:49:49 PM
Lads as much Tyrones shots execution was excellent, we would have to take into consideration how brutal Mayo looked, so far off the pace. Deegans not sending the Mayo player off for levelling Hugh Pat was disgraceful. Big Colms black card was very unfair as he was protecting himself from getting levelled also. Mc Nultys was a brutal challenge and a  straight red. I don't think we can read to much into this as we were so far ahead of mayo in fitness and attitude to the game to assess where our attacking plan will be improved on last years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on March 20, 2018, 04:21:58 PM
Has Morgan been dropped in favour of O Neill I wonder?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 20, 2018, 04:51:54 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 20, 2018, 04:21:58 PM
Has Morgan been dropped in favour of O Neill I wonder?

I would say more because Mc Curry walked, keep back ups happy, but IMO there is very little to choose between the 2 after a few poor enough showings from Morgan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 20, 2018, 05:00:52 PM
I'd disagree. I think Morgan is still No 1 choice for Mickey and for many
He was the bloody international keeper for Gods sake but for me he needs to calm down the headless chicken stuff sometimes.

I was delighted to see how players are now running ahead of the ball whilst looking for a pass and no longer this rugby style of the shoulder passing.
Too often in the past when a player gets a pass he immediately looks backwards and not forwards which seems to be changing but maybe that's also due to other teams having less men back in a blanket.

Mulgrew's ball into Lee for his point from play was excellent and something I hope we see a lot more of.
I hope Skeet gets into it a bit more as he doesn't seem to getting on the ball as much as you would hope. How old is he now?
Serious competition for places now all over the field besides maybe the FF line.
I'd say McCurry just wanted to play more club football rather than training like a mad man and not getting much football all year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 20, 2018, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 20, 2018, 05:00:52 PM
I'd disagree. I think Morgan is still No 1 choice for Mickey and for many
He was the bloody international keeper for Gods sake but for me he needs to calm down the headless chicken stuff sometimes.

I was delighted to see how players are now running ahead of the ball whilst looking for a pass and no longer this rugby style of the shoulder passing.
Too often in the past when a player gets a pass he immediately looks backwards and not forwards which seems to be changing but maybe that's also due to other teams having less men back in a blanket.

Mulgrew's ball into Lee for his point from play was excellent and something I hope we see a lot more of.
I hope Skeet gets into it a bit more as he doesn't seem to getting on the ball as much as you would hope. How old is he now?
Serious competition for places now all over the field besides maybe the FF line.
I'd say McCurry just wanted to play more club football rather than training like a mad man and not getting much football all year.

And what???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 23, 2018, 01:39:28 PM
Any news if Tyr Kerry is televised this weekend?  Should be some nice scoring from the likes of Brennan, Bradley and Clifford
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 23, 2018, 01:52:36 PM
Team V Kerry:

1  Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2  Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
3  Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4  Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
5  Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
6  Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7  Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
8  Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9  Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
10  Matthew Donnelly (C) – Trí Leac
11  Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
12  Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
13  Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
14  Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
15  Ronan O'Neill – An Ómaigh



16  Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17  Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
18  Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
19  Harry Loughran – An Mhaigh
20  Cathal McCarron – Athí
21  Ben McDonnell – Aireagal Chiaráin
22  Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
23  Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
24  Ciaran McLaughlin – An Ómaigh
25  Conor Meyler – An Ómaigh
26  David Mulgrew – Ard Bó
27  Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on March 23, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
Have to laugh... Tyrone rack up a decent score against two seriously underperforming teams and Stevie O'Neill is the saviour again!!! the mind boggles!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 23, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
Be positive
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 23, 2018, 03:20:36 PM
So much for me thinking we've seen the last of McCrory and RoN.

I think we should be playing our best 15 at home to Kerry even just to get the psychological win over them

The team that started the last day looked good though I do like to see Rory Brennan back in the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on March 23, 2018, 03:42:52 PM
Looks like a few boys are getting a run with D1 status assured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 23, 2018, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: driveherin on March 23, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
Have to laugh... Tyrone rack up a decent score against two seriously underperforming teams and Stevie O'Neill is the saviour again!!! the mind boggles!

I know a man said after Monaghan game they are useless, now saying they will the All Ireland final. Definitely extremists around these parts
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 23, 2018, 04:37:54 PM
Quote from: laceer on March 23, 2018, 03:42:52 PM
Looks like a few boys are getting a run with D1 status assured.

Tiernan McCann ever present this long time prior to injury and would definitely not be sidelined for a game v Kerry, but after waiting a good while and 2 really good showings Conor Meyler is back on the bench, but Petey to start obviously, 7 11 12, wherever a slot has to be found one will be found
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 23, 2018, 08:14:12 PM
Did Meyler not go off with a slight injury last week? Perhaps he's being rested. Have to imagine he's got a starting spot nailed down for the Monaghan match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 23, 2018, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 23, 2018, 04:37:54 PM
Quote from: laceer on March 23, 2018, 03:42:52 PM
Looks like a few boys are getting a run with D1 status assured.

Tiernan McCann ever present this long time prior to injury and would definitely not be sidelined for a game v Kerry, but after waiting a good while and 2 really good showings Conor Meyler is back on the bench, but Petey to start obviously, 7 11 12, wherever a slot has to be found one will be found

I was thinking about this for a while - I became a fan of T McCann in recent years but with the upsurge in form since his injury - is there a link?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 23, 2018, 08:51:49 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 23, 2018, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 23, 2018, 04:37:54 PM
Quote from: laceer on March 23, 2018, 03:42:52 PM
Looks like a few boys are getting a run with D1 status assured.

Tiernan McCann ever present this long time prior to injury and would definitely not be sidelined for a game v Kerry, but after waiting a good while and 2 really good showings Conor Meyler is back on the bench, but Petey to start obviously, 7 11 12, wherever a slot has to be found one will be found

I was thinking about this for a while - I became a fan of T McCann in recent years but with the upsurge in form since his injury - is there a link?

I'm inclined to agree with you. Doesn't give enough defensively.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 23, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
ive said it before, tiarnan mc cann and aiden mc crory dont offer enough either defensively or offensively to be included in any top inter county team. we have much better players in tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 23, 2018, 11:07:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 23, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
ive said it before, tiarnan mc cann and aiden mc crory dont offer enough either defensively or offensively to be included in any top inter county team. we have much better players in tyrone.

Well then it must be fact, you are awful quiet last few weeks, hopefully mickey keeps winning so it will stay that way
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on March 23, 2018, 11:35:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 23, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
ive said it before, tiarnan mc cann and aiden mc crory dont offer enough either defensively or offensively to be included in any top inter county team. we have much better players in tyrone.

Tiarnan McCann doesn't offer enough offensively??? You are a raving lunatic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 23, 2018, 11:39:29 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 23, 2018, 11:07:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 23, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
ive said it before, tiarnan mc cann and aiden mc crory dont offer enough either defensively or offensively to be included in any top inter county team. we have much better players in tyrone.

Well then it must be fact, you are awful quiet last few weeks, hopefully mickey keeps winning so it will stay that way
mickey isnt winning anything. players are starting to do things for themselves. i knew it was only a matter of time before they decided to stop lettin harte hold them back. player power!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on March 24, 2018, 03:51:14 AM
Typical of Harte, once the team starts to finally play well he starts putting his friends and neighbours on. No point wasting time with donkeys who will have no relevance come championship time or so I hope!! The best thing Harte can do is ring up Johnny Munroe and Niall McKenna and get players of proper inter county back into the squad. The chance to beat Kerry an build momentum could well be lost.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 24, 2018, 09:11:49 AM
Holy fcuk, I can't believe some people are actually criticizing Tiarnan McCann. Almost every other county would give their right arm for him in their team. Starting HB line for me v Monaghan will be:

McCann     Burns     Meyler
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on March 24, 2018, 10:01:06 AM
I'd agree. Burns looks comfortable in chb. Classy player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 24, 2018, 08:20:10 PM
McKernan and Hampsey for 2 of the full back spaces.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 24, 2018, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 24, 2018, 08:20:10 PM
McKernan and Hampsey for 2 of the full back spaces.

I'd like to see Cassidy get a run in there too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on March 24, 2018, 08:59:46 PM
I have to agree, most observers would have had the team lining out and trying to play something similar to what we have seen last few weeks. People have been valuing for certain players to be dropped for a few years now. Also been calls for Brennan to start , more forwards, more kicking, more pressing for a long long time. I suspect Harte has felt the pressure to do this regardless of what he says.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on March 25, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Good display from Tyrone today in what's labelled a 'dead rubber' game. Few great displays in defence and indeed going forward.. not to bring negativity to a great result but I think it's clear that a few players are not cut for the county scene, Been given too many chances in the league and come championship time this could have an effect if Harte continues to remain loyal!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on March 25, 2018, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on March 25, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Good display from Tyrone today in what's labelled a 'dead rubber' game. Few great displays in defence and indeed going forward.. not to bring negativity to a great result but I think it's clear that a few players are not cut for the county scene, Been given too many chances in the league and come championship time this could have an effect if Harte continues to remain loyal!

Name them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 25, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
Great performance and result by Tyrone. Johnny Buckley was well and truly snuffed out. Could also watch that Frank Burns slide and poach all day long. That's Donegal, Mayo and Kerry all put to the sword within a few weeks. And who says Tyrone can't beat big teams anymore??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 25, 2018, 09:21:20 PM
So all off a sudden we have the players......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on March 25, 2018, 09:32:20 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on March 24, 2018, 03:51:14 AM
Typical of Harte, once the team starts to finally play well he starts putting his friends and neighbours on. No point wasting time with donkeys who will have no relevance come championship time or so I hope!! The best thing Harte can do is ring up Johnny Munroe and Niall McKenna and get players of proper inter county back into the squad. The chance to beat Kerry an build momentum could well be lost.

Good win for the friends and neighbours today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 25, 2018, 09:46:03 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 25, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
Great performance and result by Tyrone. Johnny Buckley was well and truly snuffed out. Could also watch that Frank Burns slide and poach all day long. That's Donegal, Mayo and Kerry all put to the sword within a few weeks. And who says Tyrone can't beat big teams anymore??

Is in the championship ye be judged. Even Monaghan can beat Dublin in the league  :o








Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 25, 2018, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 25, 2018, 09:46:03 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 25, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
Great performance and result by Tyrone. Johnny Buckley was well and truly snuffed out. Could also watch that Frank Burns slide and poach all day long. That's Donegal, Mayo and Kerry all put to the sword within a few weeks. And who says Tyrone can't beat big teams anymore??

Is in the championship ye be judged. Even Monaghan can beat Dublin in the league  :o

But when Tyrone got off to a bad start against Galway it was Hartes fault and nothing had changed?? So now league form is relevant??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 25, 2018, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 26, 2018, 11:52:13 PM
mickeys disciples are well rattled! they are a bit like the tyrone players at the minute, starting to doubt what its all about and how they could have been so badly brainwashed by the beard.

::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 25, 2018, 10:16:24 PM
The negative club led by mr no club south Fermanagh gael always go over the top into meltdown with a loss.

All you can say is it ended up a good campaign when we were missing countless chances as having some form of system the players seem to understand, unearthed a few lad who look like they will be fit for championship and we're in div 1.

Obviously big test to come but we're in a good place if we can keep injuries at bay. Who knows what stevey is adding but him horse and Harte appear to be working well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 25, 2018, 10:24:24 PM
No highlights of the game on league Sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 25, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 25, 2018, 10:24:24 PM
No highlights of the game on league Sunday?

Think they said they'd cover it at the end. They're even gonna have a club hurling game on before us.  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 25, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
Respectable league campaign. Mid table with a strong finish leaves us in a better position than last year to hopefully build. Always good to beat Kerry dead rubber or not they didn't travel up to be beat. Cavan and Roscommon probably weaken the league for next year. Now the preparation starts for Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 25, 2018, 10:59:02 PM
Not even a mention of Tyrone v Kerry on the highlights show. Shackin'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 25, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
another good win today and seems the players have finally said to themselves, 'f**k you harte, we are gonna play football how we like no matter what u say'. its very refreshing. imagine how good tyrone could be with a top manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 25, 2018, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 25, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
another good win today and seems the players have finally said to themselves, 'f**k you harte, we are gonna play football how we like no matter what u say'. its very refreshing. imagine how good tyrone could be with a top manager.

Would you ever give over!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 25, 2018, 11:25:07 PM
Away from the pro/anti Harte hysteria I still think we lack a top class forward who can shake up a game come championship time in the mould of McManus, O'Callaghan, Tomer...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2018, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 25, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
another good win today and seems the players have finally said to themselves, 'f**k you harte, we are gonna play football how we like no matter what u say'. its very refreshing. imagine how good tyrone could be with a top manager.

Let's break this down...you are claiming that the Tyrone players are, individually, just deciding to play how they like on the pitch....off the cuff. Whilst Harte, the man you have often referred to as a Hitler like figure who rules with an iron fist, is sitting idly by while this is happening?
Or, are all the players getting together and coming up with their own game plan/tactics collectively? Are they holding some secret meetings and training sessions to work on this then going to normal county training on the other nights of the week? Is everyone involved or just some of the players? Are some players playing under Harte tactics and others this secret clandestine group's tactics? Who is leading this revolt by the way?

I know you are essentially a wum....which is easy when things aren't going well on the pitch...but the standard of your wummary is exceptionally poor when Tyrone are actually going well. You disappeared for virtually for the whole championship last year until the Dublin game  and now you offer this nonsense? Come on fella, up your game if you want to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on March 26, 2018, 12:19:35 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 25, 2018, 11:25:07 PM
Away from the pro/anti Harte hysteria I still think we lack a top class forward who can shake up a game come championship time in the mould of McManus, O'Callaghan, Tomer...

Indeed, it's f**king tiresome. Top class forwards are like hens teeth though. Comer is yet to really prove in championship white heat so I couldn't add him in that company yet. Even Con has top class supply so I couldn't put him in that match-winner bracket. IMO the real top class forwards in the game are:

McBearty
COC
Moran
Geaney
McBearty

The sub-group consists of inside forwards who are talented but who I haven't seen turn a top-level championship for their team:

Con
Comer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 26, 2018, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: trileacman on March 26, 2018, 12:19:35 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 25, 2018, 11:25:07 PM
Away from the pro/anti Harte hysteria I still think we lack a top class forward who can shake up a game come championship time in the mould of McManus, O'Callaghan, Tomer...

Indeed, it's f**king tiresome. Top class forwards are like hens teeth though. Comer is yet to really prove in championship white heat so I couldn't add him in that company yet. Even Con has top class supply so I couldn't put him in that match-winner bracket. IMO the real top class forwards in the game are:

McBearty
COC
Moran
Geaney
McBearty

The sub-group consists of inside forwards who are talented but who I haven't seen turn a top-level championship for their team:

Con
Comer

You've had some night! You list McBrearty twice,  put 'Con' in a sub-group and 'COC' as a top class forward. Is Con and COC one and the same person or are we playing a game of snap?  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 26, 2018, 08:07:00 AM
Cillian O'connor?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 26, 2018, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 25, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
another good win today and seems the players have finally said to themselves, 'f**k you harte, we are gonna play football how we like no matter what u say'. its very refreshing. imagine how good tyrone could be with a top manager.

Ach wise up, I am still on your side with "MH Out" but credit were its due, they have played well and won big games. Been saying for years Lee Brennan top class
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 26, 2018, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Club boi on March 26, 2018, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 25, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
another good win today and seems the players have finally said to themselves, 'f**k you harte, we are gonna play football how we like no matter what u say'. its very refreshing. imagine how good tyrone could be with a top manager.

Ach wise up, I am still on your side with "MH Out" but credit were its due, they have played well and won big games. Been saying for years Lee Brennan top class

Agree with Club Boi - I hold the opinion that Tyrone probably need a manager change but STG is making a mockery of the people who have a reasonable argument to why a change would be good. Would sicken you listening to him whether you want MH to stay or go.

Monaghan now a big big game as I'm pleasantly surprised by the league campaign. If we beat Monaghan we could be on track.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 26, 2018, 02:07:08 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how other keep taking posters like STG seriously and that Armagh p***k who's name escapes me now cos I ignore him so much yet still replying to them hoping to make a valid argument.
There are plenty of us with valid reasons for Harte to go but he's like the rest of us, human and although it's rare he can perhaps change.
Stubborn v singlemindedness

It's like when you make a first impression if someone. You then spend the rest of your time convincing yourself you were right and can't see the truth
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2018, 02:32:20 PM
Yes my earlier post was a bit of a wind-up and it looks like it worked. But for people to be giving Harte credit for finally playing the players we wanted and playing the football we wanted is actually a bigger windup. Credit due to the players. Def an all Ireland in them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 26, 2018, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2018, 02:32:20 PM
Yes my earlier post was a bit of a wind-up and it looks like it worked. But for people to be giving Harte credit for finally playing the players we wanted and playing the football we wanted is actually a bigger windup. Credit due to the players. Def an all Ireland in them.

Lets call a spade a spade, the team was announced for the Kerry game and there was uproar at the amount of changes made from the Mayo result.  You only have to go back a few pages to see that.  Like Club Boi and others I am still in the Harte out camp but have accepted this forum wont change that.  We have to support the team for the rest of the term and when the time comes to discuss new management put forward the case to the club officers or better still if you know anyone on the county board. 

A positive I would draw from the recent results is Tyrone have shown it is possible to cope without Colm Cavanagh.  When he missed the 1st few games Tyrone looked lost.  However he was black carded early vs Mayo and didn't feature against Kerry and Tyrone played well.  Maybe that has something to do with the approach game as well??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 26, 2018, 04:32:13 PM
I am delighted with how the league has finished up. It really sets up for great game against Monaghan in the Championship!

Not much to take away from yesterday's game as there wasn't a whole pile of intensity to it. However, I have to say Frank Burns looks like the real deal. The man is as strong as an ox and a couple of Kerry men bounced off him when trying to break his tackle. He hassled, tackled, broke ball and supported the attack in phenomenal fashion yesterday.

Peter Harte was also involved everywhere, he never gives up. Would love to get stats on assists like they do in soccer, Petey would be bringing up huge numbers.

Overall positives from the league for me:

- Lee Brennan stepping up to the plate
- Petey Harte and Matty Donnelly finding a serious vein of form towards end of the league
- Frank Burns at #6
- Defence holding very tight without Colm Cavanagh
- Proper competition across almost all lines (apart from FF line)

Still think we're short of a 6ft plus marquee forward to give us that alternative ball into FF line but looks like we're shaping up quite well for the Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 26, 2018, 04:39:02 PM
Contrary to all the Harte bashing on here I am going to say that he deserves a lot of credit for the way he has brought through our All-Ireland winning under 21 team from 2015. I've listed the starting team from that final below.

Tyrone: S Fox; R Mullan, P Hampsey, C McLaughlin; M Cassidy (0-1), R Brennan, K McGeary (capt); C McShane (1-0), F Burns; M Kavanagh (0-2), C Meyler (0-1), M Walsh; L Brennan (0-2, two frees), D McNulty (0-3, three frees), M Bradley (0-2).

The only lads not to have played any senior county football are Mark Kavanagh (I actually thought he would have been called up this year) and Matthew Walsh.

Of the other lads not currently on the panel...
Sean Fox - played a couple of league games a couple of years ago when the other keepers were injured
Mullan - dropped off the panel early last year
McNulty - dropped off the panel a few years ago after an injury

That leaves 10 lads from that starting 15 that are currently on the senior panel, with the likes of Hampsey, Burns, McShane, Meyler, McGeary, Lee Brennan and Bradley looking like key players for us this year and will hopefully make up the spine of the team for years to come. This is an unbelievable return from one underage team and I think Harte deserves credit for giving them gametime at the right time in order to aide their development.

Conversely, the difficulty of nurturing an under 21 team through to senior level can be seen in Mayo at the moment. They won the under 21s in 2016, the year after us, have been crying out for fresh blood since due to some of their senior players getting older and having serious miles on the clock. Yet Diarmuid O'Connor has been the only man to come through from that team and consistently start in the championship to date, and even his form has waned over the past year and a half.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 26, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 26, 2018, 04:32:13 PM
I am delighted with how the league has finished up. It really sets up for great game against Monaghan in the Championship!

Not much to take away from yesterday's game as there wasn't a whole pile of intensity to it. However, I have to say Frank Burns looks like the real deal. The man is as strong as an ox and a couple of Kerry men bounced off him when trying to break his tackle. He hassled, tackled, broke ball and supported the attack in phenomenal fashion yesterday.

Peter Harte was also involved everywhere, he never gives up. Would love to get stats on assists like they do in soccer, Petey would be bringing up huge numbers.

Overall positives from the league for me:

- Lee Brennan stepping up to the plate
- Petey Harte and Matty Donnelly finding a serious vein of form towards end of the league
- Frank Burns at #6
- Defence holding very tight without Colm Cavanagh
- Proper competition across almost all lines (apart from FF line)

Still think we're short of a 6ft plus marquee forward to give us that alternative ball into FF line but looks like we're shaping up quite well for the Championship.
I agree with all those things. Major positives to be taken from that. Although there is still a few lingering issues.
Tiernan McCanns role. Had a great year last year but question marks over his defensive ability and the fact Tyrone seem more balanced now in his absence.
Mark Bradleys best position. Does he play in the corner or at 11.
Is there any danger of returning to the status quo of Aidan McCrory playing in the corner over Hugh Pat or McKernan.
Where does McNammee play now Harte seems to have settled on Hampsey in the full back line? Full back, corner back, at all?
Who plays beside Colm Cavanagh in the middle? Conall McCann Declan McClure Mattie?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2018, 11:12:31 PM
1.morgan
2.mc kernan
3.hampsey
4.h p mc geary
5.meyler
6.f burns
7.k mc geary
8.c cavanagh
9.mc clure
10.harte
11.sludden
12.m donnelly
13.l brennan
14.mc shane
15.bradley
there you go lads. book the citywest for september.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 26, 2018, 11:31:45 PM
Morgan
McCarron
Hampsey
McGeary
McCann
Burns
Meyler
McNulty
Colm
Harte
Sludden
Mattie
Brennan
mcAliskey
Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
what have u seen so far omaghgael that would have mc aliskey ahead of mc shane?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 27, 2018, 09:53:14 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 26, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 26, 2018, 04:32:13 PM
I am delighted with how the league has finished up. It really sets up for great game against Monaghan in the Championship!

Not much to take away from yesterday's game as there wasn't a whole pile of intensity to it. However, I have to say Frank Burns looks like the real deal. The man is as strong as an ox and a couple of Kerry men bounced off him when trying to break his tackle. He hassled, tackled, broke ball and supported the attack in phenomenal fashion yesterday.

Peter Harte was also involved everywhere, he never gives up. Would love to get stats on assists like they do in soccer, Petey would be bringing up huge numbers.

Overall positives from the league for me:

- Lee Brennan stepping up to the plate
- Petey Harte and Matty Donnelly finding a serious vein of form towards end of the league
- Frank Burns at #6
- Defence holding very tight without Colm Cavanagh
- Proper competition across almost all lines (apart from FF line)

Still think we're short of a 6ft plus marquee forward to give us that alternative ball into FF line but looks like we're shaping up quite well for the Championship.
I agree with all those things. Major positives to be taken from that. Although there is still a few lingering issues.
Tiernan McCanns role. Had a great year last year but question marks over his defensive ability and the fact Tyrone seem more balanced now in his absence.
Mark Bradleys best position. Does he play in the corner or at 11.
Is there any danger of returning to the status quo of Aidan McCrory playing in the corner over Hugh Pat or McKernan.
Where does McNammee play now Harte seems to have settled on Hampsey in the full back line? Full back, corner back, at all?
Who plays beside Colm Cavanagh in the middle? Conall McCann Declan McClure Mattie?


The team seem more balanced without tiernan mc cann based on what? Them winning the last 3 games without him lol? Don't see that myself. I wasn't a fan of mc cann before last year but he is a major asset, once he starts motoring teams don't know what to do with him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 27, 2018, 10:03:39 AM
McNamee & Mccann may not  have played much in the league this year, but both are still in out best 6 defenders IMO

Morgan (even though i personally prefer Oneill)

hampsey
mcnamee
mckiernan

McCann
Burns
Myler

Colm Cavangh
McClure

Mattie donnelly
Sludden
Peter Harte

Lee brennan
McShane/ McAliskey
Bradley

That would be our strongest team at the minute imo

mcgearys x 2
Ruari brennan
mccarron
mcshane/mcaliskey

all decent options from the bench.






Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 27, 2018, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
what have u seen so far omaghgael that would have mc aliskey ahead of mc shane?

You're right STG, totally overlooked McShane. He would take McNulty's place for me. In fact, I think Cathal has been one of the big positives this league campaign. You can see he's been working on his decision making and isn't taking on those wild attempts all that often. He's such a strong runner, has great vision and has an excellent foot pass.

Still think we have to persist with Conor. He has more presence that Lee and Mark and if we can work on their interplay this could pay dividends later in the summer.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 27, 2018, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
what have u seen so far omaghgael that would have mc aliskey ahead of mc shane?

Agree here, McShane has to start!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 27, 2018, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 27, 2018, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
what have u seen so far omaghgael that would have mc aliskey ahead of mc shane?

Agree here, McShane has to start!!!

McAliskey will start in the championship as he is our only right footed free taker excluding O'Neill who has no chance of playing. Unless you suggest taking Morgan up for every free from the left hand side?

I see the Irish News reporting today that Colm Cav is likely to miss the Monaghan game so I predict the following lineup:

Morgan

McCarron     Hampsey      McGeary

Meyler          Burns           McCann

        McShane        McNulty

Mattie          Sludden         Harte

Lee              McAliskey       Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 27, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
Tyrone form is looking up, probably the break coming at the worst time for them.

Anyone however concerned that Monaghan have just beaten the Dubs on their own patch, somewhat going under the radar here?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 27, 2018, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 27, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
Tyrone form is looking up, probably the break coming at the worst time for them.

Anyone however concerned that Monaghan have just beaten the Dubs on their own patch, somewhat going under the radar here?

I though it was a big deal until i watched the highlights. Dublin were in second gear. And there is no way in hell Cluxtons gets beat by a chip like that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 27, 2018, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 27, 2018, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 27, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
Tyrone form is looking up, probably the break coming at the worst time for them.

Anyone however concerned that Monaghan have just beaten the Dubs on their own patch, somewhat going under the radar here?

I though it was a big deal until i watched the highlights. Dublin were in second gear. And there is no way in hell Cluxtons gets beat by a chip like that.

whereas if Tyrone beat the Dubs in the league we'd being booking hotels for September and slagging off anyone whoever called for new management
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on March 27, 2018, 12:39:41 PM
Anyone know when the half-time draw for Tyrone-Kerry game will be held?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 27, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 27, 2018, 12:39:41 PM
Anyone know when the half-time draw for Tyrone-Kerry game will be held?

:-[ I bought half a dozen tickets for me and my three boys and was no word of a draw. Do we get our money back? Should this be on the club thread? Tell us more Ziggy 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on March 27, 2018, 12:51:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 27, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 27, 2018, 12:39:41 PM
Anyone know when the half-time draw for Tyrone-Kerry game will be held?

:-[ I bought half a dozen tickets for me and my three boys and was no word of a draw. Do we get our money back? Should this be on the club thread? Tell us more Ziggy

A mate of mine was asking me last night longballin :(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
I don't think we will get away with Brennan, mc aliskey, Bradley in ff line. Mc aliskey tallest at just 5'10. Need a 6 footer in there. Mc Shane for me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 27, 2018, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
I don't think we will get away with Brennan, mc aliskey, Bradley in ff line. Mc aliskey tallest at just 5'10. Need a 6 footer in there. Mc Shane for me.

Who's going to hit the right footed frees?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 27, 2018, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 27, 2018, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
I don't think we will get away with Brennan, mc aliskey, Bradley in ff line. Mc aliskey tallest at just 5'10. Need a 6 footer in there. Mc Shane for me.

Who's going to hit the right footed frees?

Correct me if I'm wrong but McShane has spent very little time in FF despite being named as number 14 on a few occasions. Cannot see him spending any time in there come Monaghan match. I'd say it'll almost certainly by Bradley, McAliskey and Brennan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 27, 2018, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 27, 2018, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 27, 2018, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
I don't think we will get away with Brennan, mc aliskey, Bradley in ff line. Mc aliskey tallest at just 5'10. Need a 6 footer in there. Mc Shane for me.

Who's going to hit the right footed frees?

Correct me if I'm wrong but McShane has spent very little time in FF despite being named as number 14 on a few occasions. Cannot see him spending any time in there come Monaghan match. I'd say it'll almost certainly by Bradley, McAliskey and Brennan.

Yes, if any of the three of them are to miss out it will be Bradley. But if Colm Cav isn't fit either Mattie or McShane will go to midfield and the FF line will be Lee, Skeet and Bradley.

There's a lot of club football to be played between now and then, touch wood there are no more injuries.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 27, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Any word on Hugh Pat's injury from the Mayo match?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 27, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
I don't think we will get away with Brennan, mc aliskey, Bradley in ff line. Mc aliskey tallest at just 5'10. Need a 6 footer in there. Mc Shane for me.

Its a game of inches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on March 27, 2018, 02:34:19 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 27, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Any word on Hugh Pat's injury from the Mayo match?

Apparently it was bruising and swelling.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 27, 2018, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
I don't think we will get away with Brennan, mc aliskey, Bradley in ff line. Mc aliskey tallest at just 5'10. Need a 6 footer in there. Mc Shane for me.

Who's going to hit the right footed frees?
could Mattie take an odd free?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 27, 2018, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
I don't think we will get away with Brennan, mc aliskey, Bradley in ff line. Mc aliskey tallest at just 5'10. Need a 6 footer in there. Mc Shane for me.

Pretty clear as expected you don't actually see tyrone games. Cathal has been nowhere near the full fwd line, he has operated out around midfield all the time.

Would rather have Mc Clure in midfield than mc nulty but colly cav is a massive massive loss for monaghan game if that's accurate
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 27, 2018, 04:54:30 PM
Was Derry in 2006 the last time we lost a first round game in Omagh?
I know we lost to Armagh in 2014 on a scoreline of 0.10 to 0.13 in Omagh back in the qualifiers but I can't remember the last time we lost there after 2006, not that we've had a lot of home games.

The last time they met Moanaghan at home in Omagh was on 5th June 2011 Quarter Final, very low attendance of 10K

Tyrone   1-13 - 1-11   Monaghan
B McGuigan 1-1, S Cavanagh 0-4 (0-2f), S O'Neill 0-3, M Penrose (2f), P Harte (1f, 1 '45) 0-2 each,
O Mulligan 0-1   
Monaghan : C McManus 0-6 (5f), D Hughes 1-1 (1-0 pen), P Finlay 0-4 (3f).
Healy Park, Omagh
Attendance: 10,937
Referee: J McQuillan (Cavan)

Their win against Dublin sets them up nicely for a good stab at the back to back champions.
How good is their record outside Clones in championship matches or are they the Dubs of the Norf?  :o

What's wrong with CC?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 05:06:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 27, 2018, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
I don't think we will get away with Brennan, mc aliskey, Bradley in ff line. Mc aliskey tallest at just 5'10. Need a 6 footer in there. Mc Shane for me.

Pretty clear as expected you don't actually see tyrone games. Cathal has been nowhere near the full fwd line, he has operated out around midfield all the time.

Would rather have Mc Clure in midfield than mc nulty but colly cav is a massive massive loss for monaghan game if that's accurate
that's what I mean, put mc Shane in ff and keep him there as a primary ball winner inside.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 27, 2018, 05:11:05 PM
http://teamtalkmag.com/2018/03/cavanagh-blow/
No info from that really
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on March 29, 2018, 08:06:40 AM
Ah it was a team goal, he wouldn't have scored it without our Davey, and my wee errigal man Enda making the run, and everything else other than give Mugsy the credit for an absolute piece of magic and individual brilliance!!!! Bitter wee man! #beard
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 29, 2018, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: driveherin on March 29, 2018, 08:06:40 AM
Ah it was a team goal, he wouldn't have scored it without our Davey, and my wee errigal man Enda making the run, and everything else other than give Mugsy the credit for an absolute piece of magic and individual brilliance!!!! Bitter wee man! #beard

It was actually Brian McGuigan he said..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 29, 2018, 08:18:59 AM
Quote from: driveherin on March 29, 2018, 08:06:40 AM
Ah it was a team goal, he wouldn't have scored it without our Davey, and my wee errigal man Enda making the run, and everything else other than give Mugsy the credit for an absolute piece of magic and individual brilliance!!!! Bitter wee man! #beard

He was emphasising that a wonderful individual goal couldn't have been scored without great team work. There was more than Errigial Ciaran men he gave praise too - Oneill McGuigan were mentioned. And when you watch it again there was a lot of players involved in making it happen. Team play is a huge part of what Harte believes in so it's hardly surprising he looked at it that way.

There is a lot of bitter men in Tyrone. Watching that show last night reminds you of what Mickey Harte has did for the county, the greatest manager this county has produced by a long long way. And still going strong with a fair chance of putting together our first 3 in a row ulster success and who knows after that. I say appreciate the man when he's still there instead of the constant digs and negativity. Tyrone abu.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 29, 2018, 08:30:03 AM
He has achieved great great things and played some wonderful football along the way.

However could have been so different, not many managers would get the length of time he did with the minors to achieve something, if he had of had the bullet early in that job (which would probably happen now) he may have never go to where he is now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 29, 2018, 09:40:25 AM
What did mugsy do on Harte anyway? Between him gettin dropped off the panel at the age of 30 when he was playing great stuff then last nights refusal to give mugsy the credit for a brilliant solo goal. Strange.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 29, 2018, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on March 29, 2018, 08:30:03 AM
He has achieved great great things and played some wonderful football along the way.

However could have been so different, not many managers would get the length of time he did with the minors to achieve something, if he had of had the bullet early in that job (which would probably happen now) he may have never go to where he is now.
And that will happen when he is replaced. Whoever takes over will not get time to develop a new team. A couple if bad results and they will be gone.
Everything now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 29, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 29, 2018, 08:18:59 AM
Quote from: driveherin on March 29, 2018, 08:06:40 AM
Ah it was a team goal, he wouldn't have scored it without our Davey, and my wee errigal man Enda making the run, and everything else other than give Mugsy the credit for an absolute piece of magic and individual brilliance!!!! Bitter wee man! #beard

He was emphasising that a wonderful individual goal couldn't have been scored without great team work. There was more than Errigial Ciaran men he gave praise too - Oneill McGuigan were mentioned. And when you watch it again there was a lot of players involved in making it happen. Team play is a huge part of what Harte believes in so it's hardly surprising he looked at it that way.

There is a lot of bitter men in Tyrone. Watching that show last night reminds you of what Mickey Harte has did for the county, the greatest manager this county has produced by a long long way. And still going strong with a fair chance of putting together our first 3 in a row ulster success and who knows after that. I say appreciate the man when he's still there instead of the constant digs and negativity. Tyrone abu.

100% spot on! Enjoy the wins and take the criticism from the south with a pinch of salt
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on March 29, 2018, 11:49:14 AM
Sure everything good has to start somewhere! Remember that point Maurice Fitz scored from the sideline?? Sure if it hadn't been kicked over the line he wouldn't have scored it! Mugsy shouldn't have written a book!! Only Mickey is allowed to write a book!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 29, 2018, 02:11:45 PM
STG if you have read Owens book he tells a few storys that would tell you why he got early retirement lol.Not enough Mugsys about now no fun all serious muscle bound robots.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: driveherin on March 29, 2018, 04:49:18 PM
Stevie O'Neill lost possession and then won it back before passing it into Mugsy...but sure that was all planned Mickey eh.... #wiseup #completehorsesh*t
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 29, 2018, 05:58:13 PM
Quote from: driveherin on March 29, 2018, 04:49:18 PM
Stevie O'Neill lost possession and then won it back before passing it into Mugsy...but sure that was all planned Mickey eh.... #wiseup #completehorsesh*t

Did Mickey say it was planned? He was just giving an overview of the overall play leading up to the goal.

Owen tells the exact same thing here - http://www.the42.ie/owen-mulligan-goal-tyrone-dublin-1231492-Dec2013/. He talks about McGuigan and O'Neills involvement among others.

Calm down man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 07:52:32 PM
Jesus there are some princesses around the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 29, 2018, 08:37:32 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 07:52:32 PM
Jesus there are some princesses around the county.

Speaking of which when is Omagh going to hold the half-time draw for Sunday's Tyrone -Kerry game, I'm sitting in the stand with my wee lads waiting on it, and freezing!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 10:44:16 PM
I'm afraid I can't answer. I'm a Loughmacrory man now, been out of the town for 7 years! I'll send my Mum over with a flask of tea, though ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 29, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 10:44:16 PM
I'm afraid I can't answer. I'm a Loughmacrory man now, been out of the town for 7 years! I'll send my Mum over with a flask of tea, though ;)

Good man! thanks  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyroneforsam on March 29, 2018, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 10:44:16 PM
I'm afraid I can't answer. I'm a Loughmacrory man now, been out of the town for 7 years! I'll send my Mum over with a flask of tea, though ;)

How can you jump from one club to another. That wouldn't rest easily wiith me tbh!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on March 30, 2018, 01:42:19 AM
What right does Omagh have as regards selling tickets in Healy park during Tyrone matches? Can other clubs come and sell tickets also? Anyway, Mickey called con O'Callaghan a cheat for his goal back August, now mugsys goal has been called out aswell. The wonderful mind of Mickey Harte! Have to admit been someone who has criticized the manager on occasion, I have been struck by the managers' good nature when facilitating children with special needs at recent matches. Fair play. Then the cynical mind in me took over when Harte came out this week in strong favour of s No vote in the up coming abortion referendum. This begs the question was he using these children as some sort of political message??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 30, 2018, 01:53:27 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on March 30, 2018, 01:42:19 AM
What right does Omagh have as regards selling tickets in Healy park during Tyrone matches? Can other clubs come and sell tickets also? Anyway, Mickey called con O'Callaghan a cheat for his goal back August, now mugsys goal has been called out aswell. The wonderful mind of Mickey Harte! Have to admit been someone who has criticized the manager on occasion, I have been struck by the managers' good nature when facilitating children with special needs at recent matches. Fair play. Then the cynical mind in me took over when Harte came out this week in strong favour of s No vote in the up coming abortion referendum. This begs the question was he using these children as some sort of political message??

Disgraceful post! Lay off the drink and keep this thread to county football talk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on March 30, 2018, 07:22:39 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 29, 2018, 09:40:25 AM
What did mugsy do on Harte anyway? Between him gettin dropped off the panel at the age of 30 when he was playing great stuff then last nights refusal to give mugsy the credit for a brilliant solo goal. Strange.

Young mulligan would tell you that they rarely if ever spoke.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on March 30, 2018, 07:26:54 AM
Also I see micky is weighing into the abortion debate in the south.... surely he'd be better staying out of that and only force his religious views onto the Tyrone team instead of all the rest of us?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 30, 2018, 08:35:35 AM
Seen that alright. People yap about everyone should get behind mickey and the team but how can they when he is so divisive? If he is so interested in abortion/religion/politics then maybe he should stick to that and leave the football to someone else. No wonder he so keen to hang onto Tyrone job. Gives him a great platform to push his own personal agenda regarding political/religious views. Shameful stuff for a gaa manager to be honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 30, 2018, 10:20:59 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 29, 2018, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 10:44:16 PM
I'm afraid I can't answer. I'm a Loughmacrory man now, been out of the town for 7 years! I'll send my Mum over with a flask of tea, though ;)

How can you jump from one club to another. That wouldn't rest easily wiith me tbh!

To be honest, I never was the biggest OSE clubman. I played with them until minor then headed to Liverpool to university. When I came back I played F&W soccer with an Omagh club. I moved to the Lough 7 years ago have kids playing and I coach the 6s. This feels more like a 'club' than OSE ever did for me. My forum name is more of a reflection of where I'm from rather than my allegiance. I still lived in Omagh when I joined up here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 30, 2018, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2018, 10:20:59 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 29, 2018, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 10:44:16 PM
I'm afraid I can't answer. I'm a Loughmacrory man now, been out of the town for 7 years! I'll send my Mum over with a flask of tea, though ;)

How can you jump from one club to another. That wouldn't rest easily wiith me tbh!

To be honest, I never was the biggest OSE clubman. I played with them until minor then headed to Liverpool to university. When I came back I played F&W soccer with an Omagh club. I moved to the Lough 7 years ago have kids playing and I coach the 6s. This feels more like a 'club' than OSE ever did for me. My forum name is more of a reflection of where I'm from rather than my allegiance. I still lived in Omagh when I joined up here.

I think when someone changes club when they get married and start a family its the right thing to do - you want to integrate into the community and make sure your kids make friends in the area.

Its not as if your a young player who plays for say Stewartstown and decides one day that Cookstown are better and might win something so transfer and then maybe some day decide you know what Stewartstown have got better and might win something so i will transfer back! 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 30, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 30, 2018, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2018, 10:20:59 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 29, 2018, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 10:44:16 PM
I'm afraid I can't answer. I'm a Loughmacrory man now, been out of the town for 7 years! I'll send my Mum over with a flask of tea, though ;)

How can you jump from one club to another. That wouldn't rest easily wiith me tbh!

To be honest, I never was the biggest OSE clubman. I played with them until minor then headed to Liverpool to university. When I came back I played F&W soccer with an Omagh club. I moved to the Lough 7 years ago have kids playing and I coach the 6s. This feels more like a 'club' than OSE ever did for me. My forum name is more of a reflection of where I'm from rather than my allegiance. I still lived in Omagh when I joined up here.

I think when someone changes club when they get married and start a family its the right thing to do - you want to integrate into the community and make sure your kids make friends in the area.

Its not as if your a young player who plays for say Stewartstown and decides one day that Cookstown are better and might win something so transfer and then maybe some day decide you know what Stewartstown have got better and might win something so i will transfer back!

Agree 100%. We had no connections at all in the Lough when we moved there and through school and football we've met a pile of people. I notice a huge difference in the community vibe in the Lough v my underage days in OSE. To be fair though there is serious work gone into Omagh over the last decade and their activities etc are through the roof. Must be all those missing half time draws ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 30, 2018, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 30, 2018, 08:35:35 AM
Seen that alright. People yap about everyone should get behind mickey and the team but how can they when he is so divisive? If he is so interested in abortion/religion/politics then maybe he should stick to that and leave the football to someone else. No wonder he so keen to hang onto Tyrone job. Gives him a great platform to push his own personal agenda regarding political/religious views. Shameful stuff for a gaa manager to be honest.

If he was in favour of repealing the 8th would it be divisive??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 30, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 30, 2018, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 30, 2018, 08:35:35 AM
Seen that alright. People yap about everyone should get behind mickey and the team but how can they when he is so divisive? If he is so interested in abortion/religion/politics then maybe he should stick to that and leave the football to someone else. No wonder he so keen to hang onto Tyrone job. Gives him a great platform to push his own personal agenda regarding political/religious views. Shameful stuff for a gaa manager to be honest.

If he was in favour of repealing the 8th would it be divisive??

is it really relevant what he thinks about it one way or other? What does Mattie McGleenan think about the abortion debate or Eamonn Fitzmaurice or Jim Galvin.. who cares?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on April 02, 2018, 11:41:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 30, 2018, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 30, 2018, 08:35:35 AM
Seen that alright. People yap about everyone should get behind mickey and the team but how can they when he is so divisive? If he is so interested in abortion/religion/politics then maybe he should stick to that and leave the football to someone else. No wonder he so keen to hang onto Tyrone job. Gives him a great platform to push his own personal agenda regarding political/religious views. Shameful stuff for a gaa manager to be honest.

If he was in favour of repealing the 8th would it be divisive??

is it really relevant what he thinks about it one way or other? What does Mattie McGleenan think about the abortion debate or Eamonn Fitzmaurice or Jim Galvin.. who cares?

Exactly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on April 02, 2018, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 30, 2018, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 30, 2018, 08:35:35 AM
Seen that alright. People yap about everyone should get behind mickey and the team but how can they when he is so divisive? If he is so interested in abortion/religion/politics then maybe he should stick to that and leave the football to someone else. No wonder he so keen to hang onto Tyrone job. Gives him a great platform to push his own personal agenda regarding political/religious views. Shameful stuff for a gaa manager to be honest.

If he was in favour of repealing the 8th would it be divisive??

is it really relevant what he thinks about it one way or other? What does Mattie McGleenan think about the abortion debate or Eamonn Fitzmaurice or Jim Galvin.. who cares?

Well yea we don't know because they aren't putting their weight behind one side or the other.  I was asking the question should he be involving himself or just worry about looking after Tyrone...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 02, 2018, 12:40:17 PM
A great weekend of Gaelic football in croke park. I think now we are entering an era of exciting action for our great game. The super 8s I am sure will elevate Gaelic football too a new audience. Dublin are definitely gonna get more heat on them now that teams are not standing back although Galway let themselves down after the dub red card. Tyrone I genuinely believe are still the team to knock Dublin off their perch. We have had an emphasis on defence this last number of years. Now is the time to go all attack with what looks like a dodgy Dublin defence. Yet again Dublin get the marginal calls and they should have had at least two black cards in the first half. When you consider some of the black cards Tyrone have been getting this last few years. Dublin are definitely getting preferential treatment and Tyrone are getting the complete opposite! Just seems to be blatant biased going on. Would it do any harm to highlight this by the Tyrone manager?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on April 02, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 30, 2018, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2018, 10:20:59 AM
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on March 29, 2018, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 29, 2018, 10:44:16 PM
I'm afraid I can't answer. I'm a Loughmacrory man now, been out of the town for 7 years! I'll send my Mum over with a flask of tea, though ;)

How can you jump from one club to another. That wouldn't rest easily wiith me tbh!

To be honest, I never was the biggest OSE clubman. I played with them until minor then headed to Liverpool to university. When I came back I played F&W soccer with an Omagh club. I moved to the Lough 7 years ago have kids playing and I coach the 6s. This feels more like a 'club' than OSE ever did for me. My forum name is more of a reflection of where I'm from rather than my allegiance. I still lived in Omagh when I joined up here.

I think when someone changes club when they get married and start a family its the right thing to do - you want to integrate into the community and make sure your kids make friends in the area.

Its not as if your a young player who plays for say Stewartstown and decides one day that Cookstown are better and might win something so transfer and then maybe some day decide you know what Stewartstown have got better and might win something so i will transfer back!

Agree 100%. We had no connections at all in the Lough when we moved there and through school and football we've met a pile of people. I notice a huge difference in the community vibe in the Lough v my underage days in OSE. To be fair though there is serious work gone into Omagh over the last decade and their activities etc are through the roof. Must be all those missing half time draws ;)

What would the difference in Omagh volunteer levels be pre and post 2003? Much difference at all?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 03, 2018, 09:55:24 AM
To be fair I wouldn't be in a position to give a near accurate reflection as I was only 18 in 2003 so wouldn't have had a knowledge of numbers pre 2003 and wasn't involved with OSE when I moved back to Omagh in 2006.

However, there has been, without doubt, a huge difference in number of kids coming along. The AI wins significantly affected participation rates and interest in the GAA in general. Even Drumragh is getting big numbers in underage (still shite, mind you!! ;) )
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 03, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
Drumragh are a wonderful club very community minded less of the derogatory remarks.Sailing against the tide like the Tatts if a good player is noted he generally ends up with Saint Endas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on April 03, 2018, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2018, 09:55:24 AM
To be fair I wouldn't be in a position to give a near accurate reflection as I was only 18 in 2003 so wouldn't have had a knowledge of numbers pre 2003 and wasn't involved with OSE when I moved back to Omagh in 2006.

However, there has been, without doubt, a huge difference in number of kids coming along. The AI wins significantly affected participation rates and interest in the GAA in general. Even Drumragh is getting big numbers in underage (still shite, mind you!! ;) )

If you weren't the biggest Omagh club man as mentioned before, then how are you in a position to say it didnt feel like a club?

I've quoted the answer in the above post for you if that helps.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 03, 2018, 10:06:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on April 03, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
Drumragh are a wonderful club very community minded less of the derogatory remarks.Sailing against the tide like the Tatts if a good player is noted he generally ends up with Saint Endas.

The wink face would indicate that that comment was in jest. Drumragh are, indeed, an excellent club. My brothers both play with them incidentally.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on April 04, 2018, 09:19:20 AM
Quote from: skeog on April 03, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
Drumragh are a wonderful club very community minded less of the derogatory remarks.Sailing against the tide like the Tatts if a good player is noted he generally ends up with Saint Endas.

Ah come on - This is just rival club banter I'd say. I often give the Fr Rocks a good slating on here mostly for the craic - I know loads of people in  the club and they are good folk but you need to be able to create a bit of rivalry too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 04, 2018, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: tiempo on April 03, 2018, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2018, 09:55:24 AM
To be fair I wouldn't be in a position to give a near accurate reflection as I was only 18 in 2003 so wouldn't have had a knowledge of numbers pre 2003 and wasn't involved with OSE when I moved back to Omagh in 2006.

However, there has been, without doubt, a huge difference in number of kids coming along. The AI wins significantly affected participation rates and interest in the GAA in general. Even Drumragh is getting big numbers in underage (still shite, mind you!! ;) )

If you weren't the biggest Omagh club man as mentioned before, then how are you in a position to say it didnt feel like a club?

I've quoted the answer in the above post for you if that helps.

Jaysus there are some delicate flowers around here. I'm simply saying that Omagh is a vibrant club now that is always flat out with events/activities. My memory from 15+ years ago is that there wasn't as much going on. I may be wrong and, to be fair, GAA clubs in general are far more activity/event focused with couch to 5ks, strictly dancing etc happening all over the place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: vallankumous on April 04, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 02, 2018, 11:41:19 AM
Quote from: longballin on March 30, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 30, 2018, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 30, 2018, 08:35:35 AM
Seen that alright. People yap about everyone should get behind mickey and the team but how can they when he is so divisive? If he is so interested in abortion/religion/politics then maybe he should stick to that and leave the football to someone else. No wonder he so keen to hang onto Tyrone job. Gives him a great platform to push his own personal agenda regarding political/religious views. Shameful stuff for a gaa manager to be honest.

If he was in favour of repealing the 8th would it be divisive??

is it really relevant what he thinks about it one way or other? What does Mattie McGleenan think about the abortion debate or Eamonn Fitzmaurice or Jim Galvin.. who cares?

Exactly.

Inter County managers without political views are as rare as Clubs Committees without political views.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 04, 2018, 01:46:47 PM
Yes and they generally keep them to their selves. Now that the manager is in fact  SDLP is this not appropriate since Tyrone is the most Republican county in Ireland. Not really one of our own is he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on April 04, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 04, 2018, 01:46:47 PM
Yes and they generally keep them to their selves. Now that the manager is in fact  SDLP is this not appropriate since Tyrone is the most Republican county in Ireland. Not really one of our own is he?

I couldn't care less if Mickey Harte was a DUP supporter or what political views he aligns himself too as long as he is getting the results on the pitch.  I don't know how you gather stats to proclaim Tyrone as the most republican county in Ireland. An interesting statement that doesn't really belong on a County Football and Hurling forum
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
tyrone usually returns a higher number of republican candidates in elections than other counties and if you check the roll of honour again there has been a higher no. of volunteers killed in tyrone than other counties. not that mickeh harte would know much about that, he kept in with the church and a cosy wee teaching job while others done the dirty work during the troubles.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 04, 2018, 03:49:54 PM
Seriously STG, what the f**k is that all about? This is a fecking county football discussion board and you're posting personal shit like that. f**k off will you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 04, 2018, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
tyrone usually returns a higher number of republican candidates in elections than other counties and if you check the roll of honour again there has been a higher no. of volunteers killed in tyrone than other counties. not that mickeh harte would know much about that, he kept in with the church and a cosy wee teaching job while others done the dirty work during the troubles.

Just so I am up to date, is there anything I have forgot to add to the list of Things Mickey Did:

Hates East Tyrone
Plays overly defensive football
Didn't give Mugsy enough credit for his goal
Doesn't like abortions
Didn't contribute to the armed republican struggle
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 04, 2018, 03:52:28 PM
He has also made personal financial allegations too, if memory serves me right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 04, 2018, 04:18:11 PM
Beat Kerry playing his "friends and neighbours" the last day. Great achievement to be fair.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on April 04, 2018, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
tyrone usually returns a higher number of republican candidates in elections than other counties and if you check the roll of honour again there has been a higher no. of volunteers killed in tyrone than other counties. not that mickeh harte would know much about that, he kept in with the church and a cosy wee teaching job while others done the dirty work during the troubles.

Away and bash your own Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on April 04, 2018, 05:27:53 PM
Now while it is totally off topic, Tyrone is a Republican county so STG has got that bit right. If Mickey is an SDLP man or not however doesn't come into it. God has been seen as a big SF man in the west of the County and no-one has a problem with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 05:58:33 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 04, 2018, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
tyrone usually returns a higher number of republican candidates in elections than other counties and if you check the roll of honour again there has been a higher no. of volunteers killed in tyrone than other counties. not that mickeh harte would know much about that, he kept in with the church and a cosy wee teaching job while others done the dirty work during the troubles.

Just so I am up to date, is there anything I have forgot to add to the list of Things Mickey Did:

Hates East Tyrone
Plays overly defensive football
Didn't give Mugsy enough credit for his goal
Doesn't like abortions
Didn't contribute to the armed republican struggle
character references for convicted sex attacker
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on April 04, 2018, 06:32:45 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 04, 2018, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
tyrone usually returns a higher number of republican candidates in elections than other counties and if you check the roll of honour again there has been a higher no. of volunteers killed in tyrone than other counties. not that mickeh harte would know much about that, he kept in with the church and a cosy wee teaching job while others done the dirty work during the troubles.

Just so I am up to date, is there anything I have forgot to add to the list of Things Mickey Did:

Hates East Tyrone
Plays overly defensive football
Didn't give Mugsy enough credit for his goal
Doesn't like abortions
Didn't contribute to the armed republican struggle

Bate the baldy head off Paddy Tally.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2018, 06:32:45 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 04, 2018, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
tyrone usually returns a higher number of republican candidates in elections than other counties and if you check the roll of honour again there has been a higher no. of volunteers killed in tyrone than other counties. not that mickeh harte would know much about that, he kept in with the church and a cosy wee teaching job while others done the dirty work during the troubles.

Just so I am up to date, is there anything I have forgot to add to the list of Things Mickey Did:

Hates East Tyrone
Plays overly defensive football
Didn't give Mugsy enough credit for his goal
Doesn't like abortions
Didn't contribute to the armed republican struggle

Bate the baldy head off Paddy Tally.
chewed the head off roisin jordan in the changing rooms one dayl.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 04, 2018, 07:09:31 PM
Yes can safely say Harte s biggest supporters would generally be middle class neo Catholic, SDLP types who would not have seen much action in the 30 year war.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 04, 2018, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 04, 2018, 07:09:31 PM
Yes can safely say Harte s biggest supporters would generally be middle class neo Catholic, SDLP types who would not have seen much action in the 30 year war.

Jesus this thread has taken a bizarre turn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on April 04, 2018, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 04, 2018, 07:09:31 PM
Yes can safely say Harte s biggest supporters would generally be middle class neo Catholic, SDLP types who would not have seen much action in the 30 year war.

And you are ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 04, 2018, 11:52:46 PM
absolutely wile craic. This stuff just gets better and better
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on April 04, 2018, 11:55:03 PM
Too many men here drinking on an empty head.    Dangerous combo but all to familiar in East Tyrone unfortunately...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 08, 2018, 04:54:22 AM
Another weekend and another underage All Ireland for Tyrone. Congratulations HT Cookstown, that side could have stayed on the croke park pitch and won the Hogan cup aswell! Very well drilled outfit and some great wee footballers. A new era in Tyrone awaits. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on April 08, 2018, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 04, 2018, 07:09:31 PM
Yes can safely say Harte s biggest supporters would generally be middle class neo Catholic, SDLP types who would not have seen much action in the 30 year war.

What percentage of young men in Tyrone joined the IRA during the troubles? I'd guess one per cent. Well, except in Galbally.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 08, 2018, 07:49:27 PM
The only people who go to Healy park now are the SDLP population of county Tyrone. Surely this imbalance has to be addressed at the next board meeting. I won't hold my breath. Ps We are all East Tyrone Mr stoops.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on April 09, 2018, 12:13:39 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 08, 2018, 07:49:27 PM
The only people who go to Healy park now are the SDLP population of county Tyrone. Surely this imbalance has to be addressed at the next board meeting. I won't hold my breath. Ps We are all East Tyrone Mr stoops.

You talk some amount of shite. Do you work at it or does it come naturally?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on April 09, 2018, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 04, 2018, 01:46:47 PM
Yes and they generally keep them to their selves. Now that the manager is in fact  SDLP is this not appropriate since Tyrone is the most Republican county in Ireland. Not really one of our own is he?

Yes we must expunge him immediately. Fortress Tyrone. Surely a campaign for our own version of Brexit is imminent!
Our vision of Tyrone is a Republican hinterland, free from people of opposing views. All non conformists will be thrown into a Tyrone jail deep in the mines around Greencastle where they will be reprogrammed. Those deemed unsuitable for reprogramming will be shot and dropped off at Derry border. A Republican Tyrone for a Republican peoples.

ONWARD TO INDEPENDENCE!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 12:38:35 PM
Any reports of county injuries so far from around the clubs? Seems to be quite quiet. Mickey will be happy enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on April 09, 2018, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 12:38:35 PM
Any reports of county injuries so far from around the clubs? Seems to be quite quiet. Mickey will be happy enough.

Ronan McHugh and Colm Cavanagh will report back injured is all I can think of?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 09, 2018, 01:33:57 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Wise up, bit of a difference
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.

some difference the system Tyrone could play 2003 - 2010 and last few years and Im guessing Sean would know
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 09, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.

some difference the system Tyrone could play 2003 - 2010 and last few years and Im guessing Sean would know

The next time Tyrone are playing Clonoe we should give Darren a shout... Notice he kicked a last minute free to win it yesterday as well, pity he couldn't do the same for Tyrone over the last few years
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.

some difference the system Tyrone could play 2003 - 2010 and last few years and Im guessing Sean would know

Some difference in the players available as well. McCurry is a decent club player and was a good county squad player. But there is no need to start talking players up because they aren't in the set up based on a league game against a Clonoe team not long back training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 09, 2018, 02:13:55 PM
Darren Mc Curry is an excellent footballer, why do some people on here feel the need to run him down. The Mickey apologists are sad people
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on April 09, 2018, 02:20:40 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 09, 2018, 02:13:55 PM
Darren Mc Curry is an excellent footballer, why do some people on here feel the need to run him down. The Mickey apologists are sad people

He's a good footballer but lets not portray him as some modern day Peter Canavan who didn't fulfil his potential because of Mickey Harte. He had plenty of chances over the past 4 or 5 years and in the big games he was consistently guilty of being shrugged off the ball or missing scoreable chances at crucial times, and as a result other lads have generally taken his place in the starting 15 this year and last year. Also lets not forget he started this years National League in the starting 15 before getting himself sent off against Galway so I don't think he can have any complaints
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Did Lee Brennan do much scoring over the first two games? I see Bradley scored 0-02 on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 09, 2018, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 09, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.

some difference the system Tyrone could play 2003 - 2010 and last few years and Im guessing Sean would know

The next time Tyrone are playing Clonoe we should give Darren a shout... Notice he kicked a last minute free to win it yesterday as well, pity he couldn't do the same for Tyrone over the last few years

That is the most tired line in GAA. Art has a lot  to answer for  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 09, 2018, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 09, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.

some difference the system Tyrone could play 2003 - 2010 and last few years and Im guessing Sean would know

The next time Tyrone are playing Clonoe we should give Darren a shout... Notice he kicked a last minute free to win it yesterday as well, pity he couldn't do the same for Tyrone over the last few years

Should be noted in context, Connor McAliskey missed a last kick free to draw it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on April 09, 2018, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 09, 2018, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 09, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.

some difference the system Tyrone could play 2003 - 2010 and last few years and Im guessing Sean would know

The next time Tyrone are playing Clonoe we should give Darren a shout... Notice he kicked a last minute free to win it yesterday as well, pity he couldn't do the same for Tyrone over the last few years

Should be noted in context, Connor McAliskey missed a last kick free to draw it.

Can we blame Harte for him missing this free?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on April 10, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Did Lee Brennan do much scoring over the first two games? I see Bradley scored 0-02 on Sunday.
nearly

Brennan scored 6 the first day out and not sure what he scored on Sunday, considering Trillick scored around 2-20 id say he was to the fore of most of it!
Does anyone know? Surely he's on his way set a record as the all time highest scorer in Tyrone league football if he continues his scoring featsl!! I doubt there's accurate records of this from years and years ago but it would be an interesting stat, I'd love to know what Peter the Great scored in total!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ThreeStones on April 10, 2018, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on April 10, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Did Lee Brennan do much scoring over the first two games? I see Bradley scored 0-02 on Sunday.
nearly

Brennan scored 6 the first day out and not sure what he scored on Sunday, considering Trillick scored around 2-20 id say he was to the fore of most of it!
Does anyone know? Surely he's on his way set a record as the all time highest scorer in Tyrone league football if he continues his scoring featsl!! I doubt there's accurate records of this from years and years ago but it would be an interesting stat, I'd love to know what Peter the Great scored in total!!

Think Lee scored 1:10 on Sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 10, 2018, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: ThreeStones on April 10, 2018, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on April 10, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Did Lee Brennan do much scoring over the first two games? I see Bradley scored 0-02 on Sunday.
nearly

Brennan scored 6 the first day out and not sure what he scored on Sunday, considering Trillick scored around 2-20 id say he was to the fore of most of it!
Does anyone know? Surely he's on his way set a record as the all time highest scorer in Tyrone league football if he continues his scoring featsl!! I doubt there's accurate records of this from years and years ago but it would be an interesting stat, I'd love to know what Peter the Great scored in total!!

Think Lee scored 1:10 on Sunday

Aye and I seen Mr Harte there... shoe-in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on April 10, 2018, 10:51:33 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 10, 2018, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: ThreeStones on April 10, 2018, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on April 10, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Did Lee Brennan do much scoring over the first two games? I see Bradley scored 0-02 on Sunday.
nearly

Brennan scored 6 the first day out and not sure what he scored on Sunday, considering Trillick scored around 2-20 id say he was to the fore of most of it!
Does anyone know? Surely he's on his way set a record as the all time highest scorer in Tyrone league football if he continues his scoring featsl!! I doubt there's accurate records of this from years and years ago but it would be an interesting stat, I'd love to know what Peter the Great scored in total!!

Think Lee scored 1:10 on Sunday

Aye and I seen Mr Harte there... shoe-in

Good to see Harte there and getting out and watching his players on show, is this something he usually does because normally i thought he would only ever go to Errigal games or Championship matches!
I think all County managers should do this, sort of like in soccer you see the national managers going to premiership matches to run their eyes over there players!
As regards to Sunday trillick had the 2 Brennans and 2 Donnellys playing, would he have been there to look at others players, I know Galbally have had a lot over underage success recently, would he have been casting an eye on any of there young stars like Liam Rafferty just to name one with a lot of potential and played County U21 last season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on April 10, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on April 10, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Did Lee Brennan do much scoring over the first two games? I see Bradley scored 0-02 on Sunday.
nearly

Brennan scored 6 the first day out and not sure what he scored on Sunday, considering Trillick scored around 2-20 id say he was to the fore of most of it!
Does anyone know? Surely he's on his way set a record as the all time highest scorer in Tyrone league football if he continues his scoring featsl!! I doubt there's accurate records of this from years and years ago but it would be an interesting stat, I'd love to know what Peter the Great scored in total!!

I think all of these where from frees if my memory serves me correct.  He was well shackled during open play although Trillick where very impressive.  IMO an i know its early days, the team that beats trillick in the championship will win it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 10, 2018, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 09, 2018, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 09, 2018, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 09, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.

some difference the system Tyrone could play 2003 - 2010 and last few years and Im guessing Sean would know

The next time Tyrone are playing Clonoe we should give Darren a shout... Notice he kicked a last minute free to win it yesterday as well, pity he couldn't do the same for Tyrone over the last few years

Should be noted in context, Connor McAliskey missed a last kick free to draw it.

Can we blame Harte for him missing this free?

Sure what do I care about what Mickey Harte thinks?

I'm just saying if men are going to slate a lad for scoring a winning free as an ex Tyrone player for what they perceive as not stepping up when it counts, they should maybe worry more about a current Tyrone player missing frees under the same circumstances in the same game.

Or is that maybe too logical?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on April 10, 2018, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on April 10, 2018, 10:51:33 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 10, 2018, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: ThreeStones on April 10, 2018, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on April 10, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 09, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Did Lee Brennan do much scoring over the first two games? I see Bradley scored 0-02 on Sunday.
nearly

Brennan scored 6 the first day out and not sure what he scored on Sunday, considering Trillick scored around 2-20 id say he was to the fore of most of it!
Does anyone know? Surely he's on his way set a record as the all time highest scorer in Tyrone league football if he continues his scoring featsl!! I doubt there's accurate records of this from years and years ago but it would be an interesting stat, I'd love to know what Peter the Great scored in total!!

Think Lee scored 1:10 on Sunday

Aye and I seen Mr Harte there... shoe-in

Good to see Harte there and getting out and watching his players on show, is this something he usually does because normally i thought he would only ever go to Errigal games or Championship matches!
I think all County managers should do this, sort of like in soccer you see the national managers going to premiership matches to run their eyes over there players!
As regards to Sunday trillick had the 2 Brennans and 2 Donnellys playing, would he have been there to look at others players, I know Galbally have had a lot over underage success recently, would he have been casting an eye on any of there young stars like Liam Rafferty just to name one with a lot of potential and played County U21 last season


Can't be sure but with Errigal in action on Friday and not Sunday that could be an indication.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on April 11, 2018, 09:21:43 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.

Peter Harte average?? He was one of the best minors in the country and then went on to become one of the best seniors in the country.
On Mark he was a stand out player for Errigal winning Tyrone and Ulsters so deservedly played for Tyrone and to be fair done a job when playing as he was mainly in as a free taker and never missed a free when selected, and on Davey he was one of the best half back in Ireland at one stage!
I think our current Captain Mattie turned from average to a superstar under Harte?
Weather some people like it or not, Harte has been the greatest manager this county has ever had!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.

This is absolute nonsense even for this board. He took a core team through minors, u-21 and senior winning every accolade along the way. The amount of players he made into superstars is endless.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 11, 2018, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.

This is absolute nonsense even for this board. He took a core team through minors, u-21 and senior winning every accolade along the way. The amount of players he made into superstars is endless.

Those lads were superstars in the making whoever had them -
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 11, 2018, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.

This is absolute nonsense even for this board. He took a core team through minors, u-21 and senior winning every accolade along the way. The amount of players he made into superstars is endless.

Those lads were superstars in the making whoever had them -

So when his players play well its because they were good anyway but when they fail its Hartes fault? Away and listen to yourself. Ive work to do. Slán.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 11, 2018, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 11, 2018, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.


This is absolute nonsense even for this board. He took a core team through minors, u-21 and senior winning every accolade along the way. The amount of players he made into superstars is endless.

Those lads were superstars in the making whoever had them -

So when his players play well its because they were good anyway but when they fail its Hartes fault? Away and listen to yourself. Ive work to do. Slán.

I'm not deluded enough to think this group of players is as good at ten years ago but when they play as they did against Dublin last year yes I blame the manager. "We were slaves to a system" said Sean Cavanagh. Slan yerself : )
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on April 12, 2018, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 10, 2018, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 09, 2018, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 09, 2018, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on April 09, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 09, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.

or maybe Harte could give his players some freedom to play... as Sean Cavanagh said about last year they were "slaves to a system." We'll see how it develops this summer when they meet the big guns

I'm sure Gavin tell's the Dublin lads go out and have a bit of craic and do as you please. This system stuff and lack of freedom is an easy excuse. A lack of freedom doesn't make you miss important free kicks for example.

some difference the system Tyrone could play 2003 - 2010 and last few years and Im guessing Sean would know

The next time Tyrone are playing Clonoe we should give Darren a shout... Notice he kicked a last minute free to win it yesterday as well, pity he couldn't do the same for Tyrone over the last few years

Should be noted in context, Connor McAliskey missed a last kick free to draw it.

Can we blame Harte for him missing this free?

Sure what do I care about what Mickey Harte thinks?

I'm just saying if men are going to slate a lad for scoring a winning free as an ex Tyrone player for what they perceive as not stepping up when it counts, they should maybe worry more about a current Tyrone player missing frees under the same circumstances in the same game.

Or is that maybe too logical?

You need to turn on your sense of humour.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 12, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Lettuce move on lads

On current form how would be your starting 15?
Is Hampsey back on the square now?
Has McNamee dropped down the pecking order?
Has McCarron regained some of his hair sorry I mean form?

Will we have another set of brothers in the team in the McGearys?
Will Richie Donnelly ever be fit for more than two games and show us all his true worth?
Who is our best MF now that we do have some options in that area?
Is Mattie better at CHB or CHF?

Will Tiernan be back for the summer?
Will we have a plan B this year or is that just for Croke Park stewards these days?
What happens if Lee gets injured? Has he passed out his older brother as first choice now? How good can he be?

Will McShane be our answer at FF or is he another Enda McGinley 3rd midfielder?
Will Mark Bradley no longer be our only player up in the FF line surrounded by 3 Monaghan defenders.

Is Frank Burns our new solid CHB to finally replace Seamus McCallan from 1996?

Does anyone know will Dan McNulty ever come back into the county setup
Will any of these questions be answered this summer?

Interesting reading through the U21 final match report which is 3 years ago in 3 weeks time.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-withstand-late-tipperary-rally-to-be-crowned-allireland-under21-champions-31190855.html

I thought Mark Kavanagh certainly would have made it to the senior team from that season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on April 12, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 12, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Lettuce move on lads

On current form how would be your starting 15?
Is Hampsey back on the square now?
Has McNamee dropped down the pecking order?
Has McCarron regained some of his hair sorry I mean form?

Will we have another set of brothers in the team in the McGearys?
Will Richie Donnelly ever be fit for more than two games and show us all his true worth?
Who is our best MF now that we do have some options in that area?
Is Mattie better at CHB or CHF?

Will Tiernan be back for the summer?
Will we have a plan B this year or is that just for Croke Park stewards these days?
What happens if Lee gets injured? Has he passed out his older brother as first choice now? How good can he be?

Will McShane be our answer at FF or is he another Enda McGinley 3rd midfielder?
Will Mark Bradley no longer be our only player up in the FF line surrounded by 3 Monaghan defenders.

Is Frank Burns our new solid CHB to finally replace Seamus McCallan from 1996?

Does anyone know will Dan McNulty ever come back into the county setup
Will any of these questions be answered this summer?

Interesting reading through the U21 final match report which is 3 years ago in 3 weeks time.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-withstand-late-tipperary-rally-to-be-crowned-allireland-under21-champions-31190855.html

I thought Mark Kavanagh certainly would have made it to the senior team from that season.

Dan McNulty would need to come back for Clonoe before he comes back to the County
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 12, 2018, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 11, 2018, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 11, 2018, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.


This is absolute nonsense even for this board. He took a core team through minors, u-21 and senior winning every accolade along the way. The amount of players he made into superstars is endless.

Those lads were superstars in the making whoever had them -

So when his players play well its because they were good anyway but when they fail its Hartes fault? Away and listen to yourself. Ive work to do. Slán.

I'm not deluded enough to think this group of players is as good at ten years ago but when they play as they did against Dublin last year yes I blame the manager. "We were slaves to a system" said Sean Cavanagh. Slan yerself : )

You really love that quote.  :D

Full quote was 

""We maybe were a bit of a slave last year to one system," Cavanagh admitted. "It was working for us, though, and we totally believed it was going to be enough to win.But this year, I think every team in Ireland realises that there's going to have to be more systems within a game."

As in no plan B. Not that there shouldn't be a system.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 12, 2018, 05:06:36 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on April 12, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 12, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Lettuce move on lads

On current form how would be your starting 15?
Is Hampsey back on the square now?
Has McNamee dropped down the pecking order?
Has McCarron regained some of his hair sorry I mean form?

Will we have another set of brothers in the team in the McGearys?
Will Richie Donnelly ever be fit for more than two games and show us all his true worth?
Who is our best MF now that we do have some options in that area?
Is Mattie better at CHB or CHF?

Will Tiernan be back for the summer?
Will we have a plan B this year or is that just for Croke Park stewards these days?
What happens if Lee gets injured? Has he passed out his older brother as first choice now? How good can he be?

Will McShane be our answer at FF or is he another Enda McGinley 3rd midfielder?
Will Mark Bradley no longer be our only player up in the FF line surrounded by 3 Monaghan defenders.

Is Frank Burns our new solid CHB to finally replace Seamus McCallan from 1996?

Does anyone know will Dan McNulty ever come back into the county setup
Will any of these questions be answered this summer?

Interesting reading through the U21 final match report which is 3 years ago in 3 weeks time.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-withstand-late-tipperary-rally-to-be-crowned-allireland-under21-champions-31190855.html

I thought Mark Kavanagh certainly would have made it to the senior team from that season.

Dan McNulty would need to come back for Clonoe before he comes back to the County

Won't be this year from what I hear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on April 12, 2018, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 11, 2018, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 11, 2018, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.


This is absolute nonsense even for this board. He took a core team through minors, u-21 and senior winning every accolade along the way. The amount of players he made into superstars is endless.

Those lads were superstars in the making whoever had them -

So when his players play well its because they were good anyway but when they fail its Hartes fault? Away and listen to yourself. Ive work to do. Slán.

I'm not deluded enough to think this group of players is as good at ten years ago but when they play as they did against Dublin last year yes I blame the manager. "We were slaves to a system" said Sean Cavanagh. Slan yerself : )


Would you rather they ran round like headless chickens with everyman for himself with 15 glory hunters?? Also the quote is taken waaaayyyy out of context.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on April 12, 2018, 07:30:53 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 12, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Lettuce move on lads

On current form how would be your starting 15?
Is Hampsey back on the square now?
Has McNamee dropped down the pecking order?
Has McCarron regained some of his hair sorry I mean form?

Will we have another set of brothers in the team in the McGearys?
Will Richie Donnelly ever be fit for more than two games and show us all his true worth?
Who is our best MF now that we do have some options in that area?
Is Mattie better at CHB or CHF?

Will Tiernan be back for the summer?
Will we have a plan B this year or is that just for Croke Park stewards these days?
What happens if Lee gets injured? Has he passed out his older brother as first choice now? How good can he be?

Will McShane be our answer at FF or is he another Enda McGinley 3rd midfielder?
Will Mark Bradley no longer be our only player up in the FF line surrounded by 3 Monaghan defenders.

Is Frank Burns our new solid CHB to finally replace Seamus McCallan from 1996?

Does anyone know will Dan McNulty ever come back into the county setup
Will any of these questions be answered this summer?

Interesting reading through the U21 final match report which is 3 years ago in 3 weeks time.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-withstand-late-tipperary-rally-to-be-crowned-allireland-under21-champions-31190855.html

I thought Mark Kavanagh certainly would have made it to the senior team from that season.

Fuzzman, my opinions only:

1. Hampsey is probably our best man to man defender/footballer.
2. McNamee I think has let his ship sailed. Was exposed when left inside with no protection. Seemed too interested in being at the opening of everything.
3. If there's two 1 McGeary on the team, never mind 2 then we are in bother.
4. I think McCann will be back for some role, think he'll struggle at this stage to break into the starting 15
5. Can't see McShane making the team in either role. Still too raw with decisions even though he has improved vastly.
6a) Burns is playing CHB in all but name. He is doing a Colly Cav role mark (ii), if i was a Dub would I want to see Burns against O'Callaghan? Of course.
6b)Just FYI, since McCallan, we've had Holmes, Gormley, both McMahons and Ricey all play at CHB, so it wasn't as if we were void of options since big Seamy and his outside of the left.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 12, 2018, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 12, 2018, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 11, 2018, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:21:52 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 11, 2018, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Darren McCurry with 0-08 for Edendork. Showing what he is capable of with some freedom.

Maybe Harte should write to the top counties and ask them if they could give him a bit more space like at club level.
Another ignorant comment.. Let's face it Harte failed with McCurry just like he failed a string of other players. Including Coney. Lee Brennan should be glad Harte has been forced to change the system this year. Probably the only players Mickey has turned from been average to superstars is Mark Harte Davy Harte and Peter Harte.


This is absolute nonsense even for this board. He took a core team through minors, u-21 and senior winning every accolade along the way. The amount of players he made into superstars is endless.

Those lads were superstars in the making whoever had them -

So when his players play well its because they were good anyway but when they fail its Hartes fault? Away and listen to yourself. Ive work to do. Slán.

I'm not deluded enough to think this group of players is as good at ten years ago but when they play as they did against Dublin last year yes I blame the manager. "We were slaves to a system" said Sean Cavanagh. Slan yerself : )


Would you rather they ran round like headless chickens with everyman for himself with 15 glory hunters?? Also the quote is taken waaaayyyy out of context.

don't see where I advocate playing like headless chickens but a weeeee bit of pushing up on the Dubs wouldn't have gone amiss. Not so far out of context but we'll call a ceasefire to we see how things pan out this August when it's time to play Mayo or Kerry or the Dubs, hopefully things will have changed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 13, 2018, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 12, 2018, 07:30:53 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 12, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Lettuce move on lads

On current form how would be your starting 15?
Is Hampsey back on the square now?
Has McNamee dropped down the pecking order?
Has McCarron regained some of his hair sorry I mean form?

Will we have another set of brothers in the team in the McGearys?
Will Richie Donnelly ever be fit for more than two games and show us all his true worth?
Who is our best MF now that we do have some options in that area?
Is Mattie better at CHB or CHF?

Will Tiernan be back for the summer?
Will we have a plan B this year or is that just for Croke Park stewards these days?
What happens if Lee gets injured? Has he passed out his older brother as first choice now? How good can he be?

Will McShane be our answer at FF or is he another Enda McGinley 3rd midfielder?
Will Mark Bradley no longer be our only player up in the FF line surrounded by 3 Monaghan defenders.

Is Frank Burns our new solid CHB to finally replace Seamus McCallan from 1996?

Does anyone know will Dan McNulty ever come back into the county setup
Will any of these questions be answered this summer?

Interesting reading through the U21 final match report which is 3 years ago in 3 weeks time.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-withstand-late-tipperary-rally-to-be-crowned-allireland-under21-champions-31190855.html

I thought Mark Kavanagh certainly would have made it to the senior team from that season.

Fuzzman, my opinions only:

1. Hampsey is probably our best man to man defender/footballer.
2. McNamee I think has let his ship sailed. Was exposed when left inside with no protection. Seemed too interested in being at the opening of everything.
3. If there's two 1 McGeary on the team, never mind 2 then we are in bother.
4. I think McCann will be back for some role, think he'll struggle at this stage to break into the starting 15
5. Can't see McShane making the team in either role. Still too raw with decisions even though he has improved vastly.
6a) Burns is playing CHB in all but name. He is doing a Colly Cav role mark (ii), if i was a Dub would I want to see Burns against O'Callaghan? Of course.
6b)Just FYI, since McCallan, we've had Holmes, Gormley, both McMahons and Ricey all play at CHB, so it wasn't as if we were void of options since big Seamy and his outside of the left.

Have you seen tyrone play this year ye clown
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 13, 2018, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 13, 2018, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 12, 2018, 07:30:53 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 12, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Lettuce move on lads

On current form how would be your starting 15?
Is Hampsey back on the square now?
Has McNamee dropped down the pecking order?
Has McCarron regained some of his hair sorry I mean form?

Will we have another set of brothers in the team in the McGearys?
Will Richie Donnelly ever be fit for more than two games and show us all his true worth?
Who is our best MF now that we do have some options in that area?
Is Mattie better at CHB or CHF?

Will Tiernan be back for the summer?
Will we have a plan B this year or is that just for Croke Park stewards these days?
What happens if Lee gets injured? Has he passed out his older brother as first choice now? How good can he be?

Will McShane be our answer at FF or is he another Enda McGinley 3rd midfielder?
Will Mark Bradley no longer be our only player up in the FF line surrounded by 3 Monaghan defenders.

Is Frank Burns our new solid CHB to finally replace Seamus McCallan from 1996?

Does anyone know will Dan McNulty ever come back into the county setup
Will any of these questions be answered this summer?

Interesting reading through the U21 final match report which is 3 years ago in 3 weeks time.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-withstand-late-tipperary-rally-to-be-crowned-allireland-under21-champions-31190855.html

I thought Mark Kavanagh certainly would have made it to the senior team from that season.

Fuzzman, my opinions only:

1. Hampsey is probably our best man to man defender/footballer.
2. McNamee I think has let his ship sailed. Was exposed when left inside with no protection. Seemed too interested in being at the opening of everything.
3. If there's two 1 McGeary on the team, never mind 2 then we are in bother.
4. I think McCann will be back for some role, think he'll struggle at this stage to break into the starting 15
5. Can't see McShane making the team in either role. Still too raw with decisions even though he has improved vastly.
6a) Burns is playing CHB in all but name. He is doing a Colly Cav role mark (ii), if i was a Dub would I want to see Burns against O'Callaghan? Of course.
6b)Just FYI, since McCallan, we've had Holmes, Gormley, both McMahons and Ricey all play at CHB, so it wasn't as if we were void of options since big Seamy and his outside of the left.

Have you seen tyrone play this year ye clown

Jaysus lads some dodgy statements in here.

1. How the feck does McNamee attending 'openings' affect his footballing? I'd say he'll still see plenty of game time this year. Needs to cut down on his sledging/aggression imo.

2. Fuzz, I don't think Matty has ever truly played the #11 role. Almost sure we'll see a Harte, Sludden, Donnelly HF line v Monaghan. Likewise, although McShane has been named at #14 in a number of games I'd wager he's only spent around 10 mins actually in that position. I have a feeling Harte might go with Brennan, McAliskey, McShane in FF line with McShane operating further out the field. Mark Bradley was a bit quiet in the league and may find his position under threat and instead be used as an impact sub for last 20mins.

3. Think Conor Gormley (in particular) may have a case for being one of our most solid (perhaps best?) CHBs.

4. Ridiculous statement re the McGeary's. HP was arguably one of our best performers in the league and was on fire that day in Mayo prior to his wipeout. Kieran is fantastic too but finds himself fighting for a position in the most competitive part of our team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on April 13, 2018, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 13, 2018, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 13, 2018, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 12, 2018, 07:30:53 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 12, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Lettuce move on lads

On current form how would be your starting 15?
Is Hampsey back on the square now?
Has McNamee dropped down the pecking order?
Has McCarron regained some of his hair sorry I mean form?

Will we have another set of brothers in the team in the McGearys?
Will Richie Donnelly ever be fit for more than two games and show us all his true worth?
Who is our best MF now that we do have some options in that area?
Is Mattie better at CHB or CHF?

Will Tiernan be back for the summer?
Will we have a plan B this year or is that just for Croke Park stewards these days?
What happens if Lee gets injured? Has he passed out his older brother as first choice now? How good can he be?

Will McShane be our answer at FF or is he another Enda McGinley 3rd midfielder?
Will Mark Bradley no longer be our only player up in the FF line surrounded by 3 Monaghan defenders.

Is Frank Burns our new solid CHB to finally replace Seamus McCallan from 1996?

Does anyone know will Dan McNulty ever come back into the county setup
Will any of these questions be answered this summer?

Interesting reading through the U21 final match report which is 3 years ago in 3 weeks time.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-withstand-late-tipperary-rally-to-be-crowned-allireland-under21-champions-31190855.html

I thought Mark Kavanagh certainly would have made it to the senior team from that season.

Fuzzman, my opinions only:

1. Hampsey is probably our best man to man defender/footballer.
2. McNamee I think has let his ship sailed. Was exposed when left inside with no protection. Seemed too interested in being at the opening of everything.
3. If there's two 1 McGeary on the team, never mind 2 then we are in bother.
4. I think McCann will be back for some role, think he'll struggle at this stage to break into the starting 15
5. Can't see McShane making the team in either role. Still too raw with decisions even though he has improved vastly.
6a) Burns is playing CHB in all but name. He is doing a Colly Cav role mark (ii), if i was a Dub would I want to see Burns against O'Callaghan? Of course.
6b)Just FYI, since McCallan, we've had Holmes, Gormley, both McMahons and Ricey all play at CHB, so it wasn't as if we were void of options since big Seamy and his outside of the left.

Have you seen tyrone play this year ye clown

Jaysus lads some dodgy statements in here.

1. How the feck does McNamee attending 'openings' affect his footballing? I'd say he'll still see plenty of game time this year. Needs to cut down on his sledging/aggression imo.

2. Fuzz, I don't think Matty has ever truly played the #11 role. Almost sure we'll see a Harte, Sludden, Donnelly HF line v Monaghan. Likewise, although McShane has been named at #14 in a number of games I'd wager he's only spent around 10 mins actually in that position. I have a feeling Harte might go with Brennan, McAliskey, McShane in FF line with McShane operating further out the field. Mark Bradley was a bit quiet in the league and may find his position under threat and instead be used as an impact sub for last 20mins.

3. Think Conor Gormley (in particular) may have a case for being one of our most solid (perhaps best?) CHBs.

4. Ridiculous statement re the McGeary's. HP was arguably one of our best performers in the league and was on fire that day in Mayo prior to his wipeout. Kieran is fantastic too but finds himself fighting for a position in the most competitive part of our team.

Didn't realise we were in the peoples republic of North Korea and a difference of opinion was frowned upon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 13, 2018, 11:17:06 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 13, 2018, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 13, 2018, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on April 13, 2018, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 12, 2018, 07:30:53 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 12, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Lettuce move on lads

On current form how would be your starting 15?
Is Hampsey back on the square now?
Has McNamee dropped down the pecking order?
Has McCarron regained some of his hair sorry I mean form?

Will we have another set of brothers in the team in the McGearys?
Will Richie Donnelly ever be fit for more than two games and show us all his true worth?
Who is our best MF now that we do have some options in that area?
Is Mattie better at CHB or CHF?

Will Tiernan be back for the summer?
Will we have a plan B this year or is that just for Croke Park stewards these days?
What happens if Lee gets injured? Has he passed out his older brother as first choice now? How good can he be?

Will McShane be our answer at FF or is he another Enda McGinley 3rd midfielder?
Will Mark Bradley no longer be our only player up in the FF line surrounded by 3 Monaghan defenders.

Is Frank Burns our new solid CHB to finally replace Seamus McCallan from 1996?

Does anyone know will Dan McNulty ever come back into the county setup
Will any of these questions be answered this summer?

Interesting reading through the U21 final match report which is 3 years ago in 3 weeks time.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-withstand-late-tipperary-rally-to-be-crowned-allireland-under21-champions-31190855.html

I thought Mark Kavanagh certainly would have made it to the senior team from that season.

Fuzzman, my opinions only:

1. Hampsey is probably our best man to man defender/footballer.
2. McNamee I think has let his ship sailed. Was exposed when left inside with no protection. Seemed too interested in being at the opening of everything.
3. If there's two 1 McGeary on the team, never mind 2 then we are in bother.
4. I think McCann will be back for some role, think he'll struggle at this stage to break into the starting 15
5. Can't see McShane making the team in either role. Still too raw with decisions even though he has improved vastly.
6a) Burns is playing CHB in all but name. He is doing a Colly Cav role mark (ii), if i was a Dub would I want to see Burns against O'Callaghan? Of course.
6b)Just FYI, since McCallan, we've had Holmes, Gormley, both McMahons and Ricey all play at CHB, so it wasn't as if we were void of options since big Seamy and his outside of the left.

Have you seen tyrone play this year ye clown

Jaysus lads some dodgy statements in here.

1. How the feck does McNamee attending 'openings' affect his footballing? I'd say he'll still see plenty of game time this year. Needs to cut down on his sledging/aggression imo.

2. Fuzz, I don't think Matty has ever truly played the #11 role. Almost sure we'll see a Harte, Sludden, Donnelly HF line v Monaghan. Likewise, although McShane has been named at #14 in a number of games I'd wager he's only spent around 10 mins actually in that position. I have a feeling Harte might go with Brennan, McAliskey, McShane in FF line with McShane operating further out the field. Mark Bradley was a bit quiet in the league and may find his position under threat and instead be used as an impact sub for last 20mins.

3. Think Conor Gormley (in particular) may have a case for being one of our most solid (perhaps best?) CHBs.

4. Ridiculous statement re the McGeary's. HP was arguably one of our best performers in the league and was on fire that day in Mayo prior to his wipeout. Kieran is fantastic too but finds himself fighting for a position in the most competitive part of our team.

Didn't realise we were in the peoples republic of North Korea and a difference of opinion was frowned upon.

You think you can think for yourself? Shame on you!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 14, 2018, 01:13:38 AM
When Tyrone go out against Monaghan next month their can be no going back to the blanket default. The way we play has to be the way we play all summer. This will be a big test for Harte and o Rourke to see who blinks first.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on April 14, 2018, 01:27:28 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 14, 2018, 01:13:38 AM
When Tyrone go out against Monaghan next month their can be no going back to the blanket default. The way we play has to be the way we play all summer. This will be a big test for Harte and o Rourke to see who blinks first.

Should 'default ' not be 'defence' ? Just wondering.
 
  It's 'there'
  It's 'O'Rourke '
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 15, 2018, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 14, 2018, 01:27:28 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 14, 2018, 01:13:38 AM
When Tyrone go out against Monaghan next month their can be no going back to the blanket default. The way we play has to be the way we play all summer. This will be a big test for Harte and o Rourke to see who blinks first.

Should 'default ' not be 'defence' ? Just wondering.
 
  It's 'there'
  It's 'O'Rourke '
Awh another f**king school teacher. The Russians didn't win the second world war in a good grammar competition. Take not robot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on April 15, 2018, 07:53:24 PM
Temper temper!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Oh and it's 'note' in last line not 'not'. But was written in a mood so understand the error.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 16, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
Jaysus there is some shite talked in here these days.
Are ladz just bored or not have anything decent to write?


Yes yes I know it should be lads. Thanks.

Of course I should have included Conor Block Gormley in my CHB list but maybe there was more of a raw physicality about Seamy C but I know Conor was no (and from what I read IS STILL NO) shrinking violet.

Can't quite believe my eyes what some are saying about the McGearys.

I think most of us probably would have thought Rory Brennan would be well established in the team by this time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on April 16, 2018, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
Jaysus there is some shite talked in here these days.
Are ladz just bored or not have anything decent to write?


Yes yes I know it should be lads. Thanks.

Of course I should have included Conor Block Gormley in my CHB list but maybe there was more of a raw physicality about Seamy C but I know Conor was no (and from what I read IS STILL NO) shrinking violet.

Can't quite believe my eyes what some are saying about the McGearys.

I think most of us probably would have thought Rory Brennan would be well established in the team by this time

Everything I'm saying above I still stand by. When we win the All Ireland with either Mcgeary or Burns on I will eat my hat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 16, 2018, 05:37:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 16, 2018, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
Jaysus there is some shite talked in here these days.
Are ladz just bored or not have anything decent to write?


Yes yes I know it should be lads. Thanks.

Of course I should have included Conor Block Gormley in my CHB list but maybe there was more of a raw physicality about Seamy C but I know Conor was no (and from what I read IS STILL NO) shrinking violet.

Can't quite believe my eyes what some are saying about the McGearys.

I think most of us probably would have thought Rory Brennan would be well established in the team by this time

Everything I'm saying above I still stand by. When we win the All Ireland with either Mcgeary or Burns on I will eat my hat.

Are you Colm O'Rourke? Burns is a superb footballer and a born CHB in the mould that is perfect for our gameplan, excellent positional sense to cover with a great ability to drive forward in possession and deliver a pass. Football is a game of opinions and in my view the McGeary's will prove to be a big addition to our team too. Granted they haven't set the world alight but HP was improving with every game this year adding much needed strength and aggression to our defence. Kieran has loads of potential, his point v Donegal in the 2016 Ulster final was excellent and he can win his own ball and deliver a pass too. They are fairly new to the squad and I think it's fairly  harsh to be writing them off so quickly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on April 16, 2018, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 16, 2018, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
Jaysus there is some shite talked in here these days.
Are ladz just bored or not have anything decent to write?


Yes yes I know it should be lads. Thanks.

Of course I should have included Conor Block Gormley in my CHB list but maybe there was more of a raw physicality about Seamy C but I know Conor was no (and from what I read IS STILL NO) shrinking violet.

Can't quite believe my eyes what some are saying about the McGearys.

I think most of us probably would have thought Rory Brennan would be well established in the team by this time

Everything I'm saying above I still stand by. When we win the All Ireland with either Mcgeary or Burns on I will eat my hat.

Frank Burns was one of our best performers, if not the best in this years League campaign after playing only 3 games. So to come out with the above statement is ridiculous. I think it's best to ignore any further posts from a troll like yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on April 16, 2018, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on April 16, 2018, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 16, 2018, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
Jaysus there is some shite talked in here these days.
Are ladz just bored or not have anything decent to write?


Yes yes I know it should be lads. Thanks.

Of course I should have included Conor Block Gormley in my CHB list but maybe there was more of a raw physicality about Seamy C but I know Conor was no (and from what I read IS STILL NO) shrinking violet.

Can't quite believe my eyes what some are saying about the McGearys.

I think most of us probably would have thought Rory Brennan would be well established in the team by this time

Everything I'm saying above I still stand by. When we win the All Ireland with either Mcgeary or Burns on I will eat my hat.

Frank Burns was one of our best performers, if not the best in this years League campaign after playing only 3 games. So to come out with the above statement is ridiculous. I think it's best to ignore any further posts from a troll like yourself.

I said it before, I didn't realise a difference of opinion had been outlawed in the free world....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on April 16, 2018, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 16, 2018, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on April 16, 2018, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 16, 2018, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 16, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
Jaysus there is some shite talked in here these days.
Are ladz just bored or not have anything decent to write?


Yes yes I know it should be lads. Thanks.

Of course I should have included Conor Block Gormley in my CHB list but maybe there was more of a raw physicality about Seamy C but I know Conor was no (and from what I read IS STILL NO) shrinking violet.

Can't quite believe my eyes what some are saying about the McGearys.

I think most of us probably would have thought Rory Brennan would be well established in the team by this time

Everything I'm saying above I still stand by. When we win the All Ireland with either Mcgeary or Burns on I will eat my hat.

Frank Burns was one of our best performers, if not the best in this years League campaign after playing only 3 games. So to come out with the above statement is ridiculous. I think it's best to ignore any further posts from a troll like yourself.

I said it before, I didn't realise a difference of opinion had been outlawed in the free world....

I believe it's an opinion you hold on your own Troll.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 17, 2018, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 16, 2018, 05:37:12 PM

Are you Colm O'Rourke? Burns is a superb footballer and a born CHB in the mould that is perfect for our gameplan, excellent positional sense to cover with a great ability to drive forward in possession and deliver a pass. Football is a game of opinions and in my view the McGeary's will prove to be a big addition to our team too. Granted they haven't set the world alight but HP was improving with every game this year adding much needed strength and aggression to our defence. Kieran has loads of potential, his point v Donegal in the 2016 Ulster final was excellent and he can win his own ball and deliver a pass too. They are fairly new to the squad and I think it's fairly  harsh to be writing them off so quickly.

I second all that BH. The Pomeroy lads have certainly added a lot to the mix and sometimes you wonder do some fans want lads to fail or that they make a rash decision about them and then they spend the rest of their time trying to convince themselves they were right
McShane is a prime example, where the last 2 years he did make some bad shot selection choices and had the odd rush of blood to the head and got black cards but some fans go into games with pre-conceived ideas on players and they can do no right then. I'm guilty of it myself with say Ronan O'Neill despite him scoring some excellent goals over the last few years.

I have a feeling McShane could be a massive player for us this year. It will help him playing in Div 2 for his club as well and I see he scored 8 points for Owen Roes at the weekend. He is a cousin of Dooher at the end of the day. LOL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 20, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
I see Wenger resigned.

Relax, lads, only messing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 20, 2018, 09:31:09 PM
wenger will leave at end of season. prob stayed a few years too long for some peoples liking but can walk away with his head held high and his legacy and dignity very much intact. its a pity mickey couldnt have done the same last august.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on April 21, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
Some win in the Buncrana Cup semi final

Tyrone 6-19 Doire 0-6!!  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 22, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
i see harte has kicked off a shitstorm on social media after leading the anti abortion campaign in the name of the gaa. the man just cant help himself. and it only 4 weeks to a huge first round championship game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 22, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 22, 2018, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 22, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
i see harte has kicked off a shitstorm on social media after leading the anti abortion campaign in the name of the gaa. the man just cant help himself. and it only 4 weeks to a huge first round championship game.

The group said it "respects and cherishes women." There wasn't much respect for this woman.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/womans-fury-as-sex-attacker-given-reference-by-gaa-boss-harte-is-jailed-for-twoandahalf-years-29102469.html

Ffs you love posting this story. As a teacher I'm asked to provide references quite often. And on a number of occasions this has been for ex students who find themselves in court. Am I supposed to find out the details of the court case, decide whether the person is guilty or not and decide if I will write the reference? Or do I write the reference honestly based on my experiences of the person?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: restorepride on April 22, 2018, 06:01:13 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 22, 2018, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 22, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 22, 2018, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 22, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
i see harte has kicked off a shitstorm on social media after leading the anti abortion campaign in the name of the gaa. the man just cant help himself. and it only 4 weeks to a huge first round championship game.

The group said it "respects and cherishes women." There wasn't much respect for this woman.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/womans-fury-as-sex-attacker-given-reference-by-gaa-boss-harte-is-jailed-for-twoandahalf-years-29102469.html

Ffs you love posting this story. As a teacher I'm asked to provide references quite often. And on a number of occasions this has been for ex students who find themselves in court. Am I supposed to find out the details of the court case, decide whether the person is guilty or not and decide if I will write the reference? Or do I write the reference honestly based on my experiences of the person?
Yes of course - I think I'd have a good look at the details of the crime first. The victim of that horrific attack was very distraught about the reference. Unbelievable you would give a reference to someone convicted of a crime and not find out what the crime was.
You are 100% correct. Any teacher would be duty bound to check detail first and get advice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 22, 2018, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on April 22, 2018, 06:01:13 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 22, 2018, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 22, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 22, 2018, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 22, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
i see harte has kicked off a shitstorm on social media after leading the anti abortion campaign in the name of the gaa. the man just cant help himself. and it only 4 weeks to a huge first round championship game.

The group said it "respects and cherishes women." There wasn't much respect for this woman.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/womans-fury-as-sex-attacker-given-reference-by-gaa-boss-harte-is-jailed-for-twoandahalf-years-29102469.html

Ffs you love posting this story. As a teacher I'm asked to provide references quite often. And on a number of occasions this has been for ex students who find themselves in court. Am I supposed to find out the details of the court case, decide whether the person is guilty or not and decide if I will write the reference? Or do I write the reference honestly based on my experiences of the person?
Yes of course - I think I'd have a good look at the details of the crime first. The victim of that horrific attack was very distraught about the reference. Unbelievable you would give a reference to someone convicted of a crime and not find out what the crime was.
You are 100% correct. Any teacher would be duty bound to check detail first and get advice.
Is that the reason you are a rimmer Benny? Maybe Mickey got you a teaching job in one of his Catholic schools.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 12:21:21 PM
Harte dragging the good name of Tyrone through the dirt again. He has overstepped the mark this time. Time for mickey Kerr and co to take action.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 23, 2018, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 22, 2018, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on April 22, 2018, 06:01:13 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 22, 2018, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 22, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 22, 2018, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 22, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
i see harte has kicked off a shitstorm on social media after leading the anti abortion campaign in the name of the gaa. the man just cant help himself. and it only 4 weeks to a huge first round championship game.

The group said it "respects and cherishes women." There wasn't much respect for this woman.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/womans-fury-as-sex-attacker-given-reference-by-gaa-boss-harte-is-jailed-for-twoandahalf-years-29102469.html

Ffs you love posting this story. As a teacher I'm asked to provide references quite often. And on a number of occasions this has been for ex students who find themselves in court. Am I supposed to find out the details of the court case, decide whether the person is guilty or not and decide if I will write the reference? Or do I write the reference honestly based on my experiences of the person?
Yes of course - I think I'd have a good look at the details of the crime first. The victim of that horrific attack was very distraught about the reference. Unbelievable you would give a reference to someone convicted of a crime and not find out what the crime was.
You are 100% correct. Any teacher would be duty bound to check detail first and get advice.
Is that the reason you are a rimmer Benny? Maybe Mickey got you a teaching job in one of his Catholic schools.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.

In our four games best 2 players I have seen was Connor Gormley and Darren McCurry. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on April 23, 2018, 01:49:02 PM
I really wish Mickey wouldn't do these things - Tyrone get a bad rep every way we turn these days and it feeds into the national stereotype that we're w@nkers! :(

Hes entitled to his personal belief but to organise something as cynical as this in a referendum he doesn't even have a vote in (I wish we had) is poxy!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 23, 2018, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 23, 2018, 01:49:02 PM
I really wish Mickey wouldn't do these things - Tyrone get a bad rep every way we turn these days and it feeds into the national stereotype that we're w@nkers! :(

Hes entitled to his personal belief but to organise something as cynical as this in a referendum he doesn't even have a vote in (I wish we had) is poxy!

He's out of order badly here no harm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on April 23, 2018, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 23, 2018, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: WT4E on April 23, 2018, 01:49:02 PM
I really wish Mickey wouldn't do these things - Tyrone get a bad rep every way we turn these days and it feeds into the national stereotype that we're w@nkers! :(

Hes entitled to his personal belief but to organise something as cynical as this in a referendum he doesn't even have a vote in (I wish we had) is poxy!

He's out of order badly here no harm.

Also be interesting to see if any of the journalists he allows to interview him get to ask him tough questions about the event... or will it still be just 'so the seasons going well mickey' sh1t as usual!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 02:32:19 PM
I think Il wear my Tyrone jersey to the next pro choice rally. Just to show we aren't all religious zealots. #tyrone4choice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 23, 2018, 02:44:58 PM
Mickey attended in a private capacity as he is entitled to do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 02:48:26 PM
Quote from: skeog on April 23, 2018, 02:44:58 PM
Mickey attended in a private capacity as he is entitled to do.
no he didn't.'gaa athletes for a no vote' is what the group called itself. Big difference using the gaa name rather than your own.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on April 23, 2018, 04:53:30 PM
Mickey is bang out of Order.  Everyone knows his personal beliefs, he doesn't get a vote but abuses his position within the GAA to echo his opinion.  He might of even give RTE an interview to express his views if he felt that strongly on the matter.  When is this vote hopefully its before the championship 1st round or he will have our players out wearing Vote No during the warm up before the game. 

It personally doesn't effect me so I haven't been following the debate. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 23, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.

In our four games best 2 players I have seen was Connor Gormley and Darren McCurry.
Gormley is some warrior, he is an example for any county and club player to follow. Proper legend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 23, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.

In our four games best 2 players I have seen was Connor Gormley and Darren McCurry.
Gormley is some warrior, he is an example for any county and club player to follow. Proper legend.

Can't disagree with that not sure on his is age must be 36/37 has been unlucky with his club in the last 10 years or so...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 23, 2018, 08:57:41 PM
He's just bringing in the next generation now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on April 23, 2018, 09:45:47 PM
Quite incredible to read in the Cavan Monaghan newspaper the Northern Standard that Mickey Harte made an unauthorized entry to a gaa club in Cavan just last week. Cootehill Celtic GAA were left fuming when Harte and another person(s) unknown obtained a key to the club grounds and proceeded to make a video on abortion to put on YouTube. The club's officials quickly disassociated the club from this. Harte surely has to be brought to book by the GAA authorities and not least the Tyrone county board. An absolute disgrace and embarrassment to this great and proud county!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on April 23, 2018, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 23, 2018, 09:45:47 PM
Quite incredible to read in the Cavan Monaghan newspaper the Northern Standard that Mickey Harte made an unauthorized entry to a gaa club in Cavan just last week. Cootehill Celtic GAA were left fuming when Harte and another person(s) unknown obtained a key to the club grounds and proceeded to make a video on abortion to put on YouTube. The club's officials quickly disassociated the club from this. Harte surely has to be brought to book by the GAA authorities and not least the Tyrone county board. An absolute disgrace and embarrassment to this great and proud county!!

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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 23, 2018, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 23, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.

In our four games best 2 players I have seen was Connor Gormley and Darren McCurry.
Gormley is some warrior, he is an example for any county and club player to follow. Proper legend.

Can't disagree with that not sure on his is age must be 36/37 has been unlucky with his club in the last 10 years or so...

Unlucky, in what sense?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 23, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 23, 2018, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 23, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.

In our four games best 2 players I have seen was Connor Gormley and Darren McCurry.
Gormley is some warrior, he is an example for any county and club player to follow. Proper legend.

Can't disagree with that not sure on his is age must be 36/37 has been unlucky with his club in the last 10 years or so...

Unlucky, in what sense?

Unlucky that his team mates weren't as good as they needed to be perhaps
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 23, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 23, 2018, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 23, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.

In our four games best 2 players I have seen was Connor Gormley and Darren McCurry.
Gormley is some warrior, he is an example for any county and club player to follow. Proper legend.

Can't disagree with that not sure on his is age must be 36/37 has been unlucky with his club in the last 10 years or so...

Unlucky, in what sense?

Unlucky that his team mates weren't as good as they needed to be perhaps





Well Omagh scored a last second goal to beat Carrickmore and both Clonoe and Coalisland beat Carrickmore in tight county finals as well. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 23, 2018, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on April 23, 2018, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on April 23, 2018, 09:45:47 PM
Quite incredible to read in the Cavan Monaghan newspaper the Northern Standard that Mickey Harte made an unauthorized entry to a gaa club in Cavan just last week. Cootehill Celtic GAA were left fuming when Harte and another person(s) unknown obtained a key to the club grounds and proceeded to make a video on abortion to put on YouTube. The club's officials quickly disassociated the club from this. Harte surely has to be brought to book by the GAA authorities and not least the Tyrone county board. An absolute disgrace and embarrassment to this great and proud county!!

he's lost the plot

That surely, surely cannot be truth above.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 11:36:40 PM
i read somewhere else that it was definitely cootehill celtics football ground that was used to make the video. whether permisssion was sought is another matter. either way its just wrong. if he wants to make a video as a private citizen then do it in ur own home. he just using the gaa to give himself some credibility which he has none.
clarification above. wow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on April 24, 2018, 09:14:18 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 23, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 23, 2018, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 23, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.

In our four games best 2 players I have seen was Connor Gormley and Darren McCurry.
Gormley is some warrior, he is an example for any county and club player to follow. Proper legend.

Can't disagree with that not sure on his is age must be 36/37 has been unlucky with his club in the last 10 years or so...

Unlucky, in what sense?

Unlucky that his team mates weren't as good as they needed to be perhaps





Well Omagh scored a last second goal to beat Carrickmore and both Clonoe and Coalisland beat Carrickmore in tight county finals as well.

Exactly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on April 24, 2018, 09:16:14 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 11:36:40 PM
i read somewhere else that it was definitely cootehill celtics football ground that was used to make the video. whether permisssion was sought is another matter. either way its just wrong. if he wants to make a video as a private citizen then do it in ur own home. he just using the gaa to give himself some credibility which he has none.
clarification above. wow.

If it is like the soccer grounds up here a lot of them are owned by the council and therefore technically anyone can use them.

Makes me cringe when I hear Harte talk about this issue. A 50/60 year old man, not able to vote, fundamentalist religious trying to preach about what a woman can do with her body!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 24, 2018, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: In hiding on April 23, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 23, 2018, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 23, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on April 23, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 23, 2018, 12:32:09 PM
Any word of players going well at club level that Harte could be looking at?
Hearing good reports about Conn Kilpatrick of Edendork. and Johnny Harkin of Tattyreagh.

In our four games best 2 players I have seen was Connor Gormley and Darren McCurry.
Gormley is some warrior, he is an example for any county and club player to follow. Proper legend.

Can't disagree with that not sure on his is age must be 36/37 has been unlucky with his club in the last 10 years or so...

Unlucky, in what sense?

Unlucky that his team mates weren't as good as they needed to be perhaps





Well Omagh scored a last second goal to beat Carrickmore and both Clonoe and Coalisland beat Carrickmore in tight county finals as well.

Our game wasn't tight, won by 5 and missed a penalty, Carrickmore made a game of it as u would expect in a county final, but that wasa bout the height of it. When you win a county final by that much knowing it was won with 5 minutes to go, tight is not the definition that I would use. Comfortable would describe it better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 28, 2018, 08:43:52 PM
Big win for the u17s today. Loads of goals. Good to see high scores coming back.
Will there be no game any more before the senior championship games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on April 28, 2018, 09:10:17 PM
Mark hayes was brilliant scored 2-5 i think. Nearly all from play. Next games are qualifiers on 12/13 may
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on April 28, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 28, 2018, 08:43:52 PM
Big win for the u17s today. Loads of goals. Good to see high scores coming back.
Will there be no game any more before the senior championship games?

Someone said in another thread the u20 game is on now.

Is the mcgleenan mattie's son?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on April 29, 2018, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 28, 2018, 08:43:52 PM
Big win for the u17s today. Loads of goals. Good to see high scores coming back.
Will there be no game any more before the senior championship games?

Someone said in another thread the u20 game is on now.

Is the mcgleenan mattie's son?
Yes, and Michael is still u16.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 01, 2018, 10:36:33 PM
Still waiting on the county board response regarding Mickey Harte s political platform use of the GAA name and also the unauthorized use of a GAA club premises in county Cavan....only joking the response we're waiting on will never happen especially when you see some of the county board rimmers like that bollix called skinno who fell over himself to get on the pitch to Mickey after the Kerry league game. Cringe!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 01, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 01, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 01, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable
Good aul Mickey loves a photo! People say he's at his brilliant best when getting his photo into the newspapers or social media but I always think he's at his best when the TV camera is on him out on the pitch and he's shouting and pointing in random directions.with players around him, it's  got a great look about it and says ' look at me I'm so brilliant and people are gonna say what a great manager I am when watching the telly. What a bunch of gullible sheep they are!'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 01, 2018, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 01, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 01, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable
Good aul Mickey loves a photo! People say he's at his brilliant best when getting his photo into the newspapers or social media but I always think he's at his best when the TV camera is on him out on the pitch and he's shouting and pointing in random directions.with players around him, it's  got a great look about it and says ' look at me I'm so brilliant and people are gonna say what a great manager I am when watching the telly. What a bunch of gullible sheep they are!'

Comic genius. It's like something Ricky gervais would write
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on May 02, 2018, 07:18:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 01, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 01, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable
Good aul Mickey loves a photo! People say he's at his brilliant best when getting his photo into the newspapers or social media but I always think he's at his best when the TV camera is on him out on the pitch and he's shouting and pointing in random directions.with players around him, it's  got a great look about it and says ' look at me I'm so brilliant and people are gonna say what a great manager I am when watching the telly. What a bunch of gullible sheep they are!'

Did I not set up a thread for you two insufferable bores? Two weeks away from the first round of the championship and the page is, once again, dominated by you pair of attention seeking dicks. F**k me how many times do you have to be told (by people who agree with your position on Harte) that yous are completely destroying this board for everyone.

WE ALL KNOW YOUT VIEWS ON HARTE. SHUT THE F@#K UP.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 02, 2018, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 02, 2018, 07:18:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 01, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 01, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable
Good aul Mickey loves a photo! People say he's at his brilliant best when getting his photo into the newspapers or social media but I always think he's at his best when the TV camera is on him out on the pitch and he's shouting and pointing in random directions.with players around him, it's  got a great look about it and says ' look at me I'm so brilliant and people are gonna say what a great manager I am when watching the telly. What a bunch of gullible sheep they are!'

Did I not set up a thread for you two insufferable bores? Two weeks away from the first round of the championship and the page is, once again, dominated by you pair of attention seeking dicks. F**k me how many times do you have to be told (by people who agree with your position on Harte) that yous are completely destroying this board for everyone.

WE ALL KNOW YOUT VIEWS ON HARTE. SHUT THE F@#K UP.
I've just been compared to the comedy legend that is Ricky Gervais and you are calling be boring? Wow wow
Wow. Your the one i think you will find is the bore on this thread. I mean you and others are on this constantly lambasting others. What do you bring to the table?  Duck egg mate, duck egg quack quack quack quack
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on May 02, 2018, 07:42:13 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 02, 2018, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 02, 2018, 07:18:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 01, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 01, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable
Good aul Mickey loves a photo! People say he's at his brilliant best when getting his photo into the newspapers or social media but I always think he's at his best when the TV camera is on him out on the pitch and he's shouting and pointing in random directions.with players around him, it's  got a great look about it and says ' look at me I'm so brilliant and people are gonna say what a great manager I am when watching the telly. What a bunch of gullible sheep they are!'

Did I not set up a thread for you two insufferable bores? Two weeks away from the first round of the championship and the page is, once again, dominated by you pair of attention seeking dicks. F**k me how many times do you have to be told (by people who agree with your position on Harte) that yous are completely destroying this board for everyone.

WE ALL KNOW YOUT VIEWS ON HARTE. SHUT THE F@#K UP.
I've just been compared to the comedy legend that is Ricky Gervais and you are calling be boring? Wow wow
Wow. Your the one i think you will find is the bore on this thread. I mean you and others are on this constantly lambasting others. What do you bring to the table?  Duck egg mate, duck egg quack quack quack quack

I post when I have something to say, not out of some need for attention. Otherwise I use the board to read about football. Which is hard to do when you have to wade through to immature waffle posted by you pair of attention seeking halfwits. If you want to talk about Harte instead of the football, then fine. Just kindly f@#k of to the thread created specifically for you to do so, and leave this one for people interested in football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on May 02, 2018, 08:13:46 AM
There is no doubt they are the same person, best ignored.

I see Mulligan said in the Irish News today that Morgan shouldn't be taking free kicks and that Lee Brennan would put the long range one's over with his eyes closed. He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees. I do think Brennan deserves a go at them but to me it's very easy to say whoever is not taking them would slot them over easily. I actually have no problem with Morgan hitting the one's outside the 45 as he is the best striker of a ball in Tyrone of the ground.

I don't think it's fair former players singling out current players for criticism either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on May 02, 2018, 08:50:32 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 02, 2018, 08:34:22 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 02, 2018, 08:13:46 AM
There is no doubt they are the same person, best ignored.

I see Mulligan said in the Irish News today that Morgan shouldn't be taking free kicks and that Lee Brennan would put the long range one's over with his eyes closed. He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees. I do think Brennan deserves a go at them but to me it's very easy to say whoever is not taking them would slot them over easily. I actually have no problem with Morgan hitting the one's outside the 45 as he is the best striker of a ball in Tyrone of the ground.

I don't think it's fair former players singling out current players for criticism either.

He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees.

Still a reason to change though as Morgan usually hits 7/8 wide before he scores one

In the past he was actually more likely to score one then miss 4 or 5 after. In the league v Kerry Morgan took two long range one's - one he narrowly missed and one he scored.

As I said I have no problem at all with Brennan getting a go at them. But I don't think Mulligan's comments were fair. The kind of free kicks Morgan gets the opportunity to score are very difficult to score and it's unfair to say Brennan would put them over with his eyes closed. He struggled with the longer one's in the last few league game's but I'd be hopeful if injury free he'll improve on them as the summer goes on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on May 02, 2018, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 02, 2018, 08:34:22 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 02, 2018, 08:13:46 AM
There is no doubt they are the same person, best ignored.

I see Mulligan said in the Irish News today that Morgan shouldn't be taking free kicks and that Lee Brennan would put the long range one's over with his eyes closed. He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees. I do think Brennan deserves a go at them but to me it's very easy to say whoever is not taking them would slot them over easily. I actually have no problem with Morgan hitting the one's outside the 45 as he is the best striker of a ball in Tyrone of the ground.

I don't think it's fair former players singling out current players for criticism either.

He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees.

Still a reason to change though as Morgan usually hits 7/8 wide before he scores one
I dread him coming up the pitch to be honest. Is he likely to score? No.  Rory Beggan more consistent with his strikes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 02, 2018, 09:00:07 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 01, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 01, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable
Good aul Mickey loves a photo! People say he's at his brilliant best when getting his photo into the newspapers or social media but I always think he's at his best when the TV camera is on him out on the pitch and he's shouting and pointing in random directions.with players around him, it's  got a great look about it and says ' look at me I'm so brilliant and people are gonna say what a great manager I am when watching the telly. What a bunch of gullible sheep they are!'

Is Harte not normally very passive on the sideline? The arms folded standing position is pretty much his trademark.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 02, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 02, 2018, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 02, 2018, 08:34:22 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 02, 2018, 08:13:46 AM
There is no doubt they are the same person, best ignored.

I see Mulligan said in the Irish News today that Morgan shouldn't be taking free kicks and that Lee Brennan would put the long range one's over with his eyes closed. He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees. I do think Brennan deserves a go at them but to me it's very easy to say whoever is not taking them would slot them over easily. I actually have no problem with Morgan hitting the one's outside the 45 as he is the best striker of a ball in Tyrone of the ground.

I don't think it's fair former players singling out current players for criticism either.

He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees.

Still a reason to change though as Morgan usually hits 7/8 wide before he scores one
I dread him coming up the pitch to be honest. Is he likely to score? No.  Rory Beggan more consistent with his strikes.
Should anyone be taking on a shot that is maybe a 1 in 4 or 5 conversion rate?
Maybe the problem is these 50-60m frees arent really scoreable and we should be moving them on quickly?
Id say if we got up and got the play moving quickly from those frees we are likely to work a score more often than 1 in every 5?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 02, 2018, 10:32:56 AM
Fair point blewup
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on May 02, 2018, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 02, 2018, 09:00:07 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 01, 2018, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 01, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
seen a photo on twitter earlier of mickey harte holding a banner which read 'no politics in sport'. laughable
Good aul Mickey loves a photo! People say he's at his brilliant best when getting his photo into the newspapers or social media but I always think he's at his best when the TV camera is on him out on the pitch and he's shouting and pointing in random directions.with players around him, it's  got a great look about it and says ' look at me I'm so brilliant and people are gonna say what a great manager I am when watching the telly. What a bunch of gullible sheep they are!'

Is Harte not normally very passive on the sideline? The arms folded standing position is pretty much his trademark.

Was sitting quite close to Harte in MacHale Park against Mayo in the league this year. Was very vocal that day, barking orders and admonishing referee Maurice Deegan, especially after Hugh Pat McGeary's injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 02, 2018, 06:05:06 PM
He knows he's under pressure lads so of course he's gonna be more animated.
Even if he wins another Ulster this year but loses to Kerry or Mayo or worse then he's under the microscope again.

I think last year, even so many "neutrals" wanted to see him call it a day.
Here in Dublin most true gaels asked me that and said who would be next?
Surely we can play better brand of football than that.

I think he will do this year but thats as much to do with other teams moving on too and not just Donegal or Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 02, 2018, 10:48:09 PM
Great to see mugsy sticking the knife into the rubbish we've had to endure this last five years...let's actually make it ten years. Harte can't even sort free taking duties out in that time, people can forget about it til the P45 is handed over.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 02, 2018, 11:28:45 PM
I'd rather let Brennan hit the right-sided frees that suit a left boot and Morgan the inverse.




Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 02, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 02, 2018, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 02, 2018, 08:34:22 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 02, 2018, 08:13:46 AM
There is no doubt they are the same person, best ignored.

I see Mulligan said in the Irish News today that Morgan shouldn't be taking free kicks and that Lee Brennan would put the long range one's over with his eyes closed. He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees. I do think Brennan deserves a go at them but to me it's very easy to say whoever is not taking them would slot them over easily. I actually have no problem with Morgan hitting the one's outside the 45 as he is the best striker of a ball in Tyrone of the ground.

I don't think it's fair former players singling out current players for criticism either.

He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees.

Still a reason to change though as Morgan usually hits 7/8 wide before he scores one
I dread him coming up the pitch to be honest. Is he likely to score? No.  Rory Beggan more consistent with his strikes.
Should anyone be taking on a shot that is maybe a 1 in 4 or 5 conversion rate?
Maybe the problem is these 50-60m frees arent really scoreable and we should be moving them on quickly?
Id say if we got up and got the play moving quickly from those frees we are likely to work a score more often than 1 in every 5?

Nail on head.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 02, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 02, 2018, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 02, 2018, 08:34:22 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 02, 2018, 08:13:46 AM
There is no doubt they are the same person, best ignored.

I see Mulligan said in the Irish News today that Morgan shouldn't be taking free kicks and that Lee Brennan would put the long range one's over with his eyes closed. He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees. I do think Brennan deserves a go at them but to me it's very easy to say whoever is not taking them would slot them over easily. I actually have no problem with Morgan hitting the one's outside the 45 as he is the best striker of a ball in Tyrone of the ground.

I don't think it's fair former players singling out current players for criticism either.

He clearly wasn't at the last few league games were Brennan missed 5/6 longer range frees.

Still a reason to change though as Morgan usually hits 7/8 wide before he scores one
I dread him coming up the pitch to be honest. Is he likely to score? No.  Rory Beggan more consistent with his strikes.
Should anyone be taking on a shot that is maybe a 1 in 4 or 5 conversion rate?
Maybe the problem is these 50-60m frees arent really scoreable and we should be moving them on quickly?
Id say if we got up and got the play moving quickly from those frees we are likely to work a score more often than 1 in every 5?

Managers are loathe at any level now to have any players put in a position where they have to run into a tackle. Seems taking a 20% punt on a long range free is a better alternative than maybe a 10% chance of a player beating a man.

Not exactly my own thoughts but that's how they look at the stats at the highest level. That said, the best teams know how to hold onto the ball, get over the ball or slow it down so quick frees are rarely able to be taken advantage of.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

Did Penrose start All Ireland Final? I cant rememenber

Mellon was outstanding, that performance against the Dubs in the rain where he scored the goal, Man off the match in All Ireland final? He certainly would never have been droppped from that team!

Tommy McGuigan-  Goal in the All ireland final!!

Even at this, where would you put Matty and Harte then Corner forward? Because both Matty and Harte have shown they arent  half the player they are on the full forward line..
Dont get me wrong great players but as forwards on the 00's team, I dont think so.
Ill use an example..

Dooher McGuigan Mellon
Mugsey Canavan Oneil

Who do you drop?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on May 03, 2018, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

Did Penrose start All Ireland Final? I cant rememenber

Mellon was outstanding, that performance against the Dubs in the rain where he scored the goal, Man off the match in All Ireland final? He certainly would never have been droppped from that team!

Tommy McGuigan-  Goal in the All ireland final!!

Even at this, where would you put Matty and Harte then Corner forward? Because both Matty and Harte have shown they arent  half the player they are on the full forward line..
Dont get me wrong great players but as forwards on the 00's team, I dont think so.
Ill use an example..

Dooher McGuigan Mellon
Mugsey Canavan Oneil

Who do you drop?

Did that forward line ever start together?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 12:50:23 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about if our current forwards would have been good enough to win all Irelands in the past. I wanna see if they are good enough to win one THIS year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 12:57:10 PM
05 all Ireland I think chief.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
Incredible article from Mugsy, loved it.  Top top slating. Had all the subtly of a car wreck.  Refreshing to see rather than the same boring nonsense you see people pedal in interviews week in and week out.

Also, is there a method to Mugsy's madness, it will surely spur on the slated ones to perform better.  Possibly the boot in the hole they needed?

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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 03, 2018, 01:59:06 PM
Going back a bit, but Niall Morgan shouldn't be on the field never mind taking the frees. A complete liability.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
Incredible article from Mugsy, loved it.  Top top slating. Had all the subtly of a car wreck.  Refreshing to see rather than the same boring nonsense you see people pedal in interviews week in and week out.

Also, is there a method to Mugsy's madness, it will surely spur on the slated ones to perform better.  Possibly the boot in the hole they needed?


I'd have less of a problem with Mugsy sticking the boot in if it was based on facts. Enda McGinley and Philly Jordan are two that give reasoned analysis, often criticising Tyrone and pointing out their flaws but doing it in an informed manner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 03, 2018, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
Incredible article from Mugsy, loved it.  Top top slating. Had all the subtly of a car wreck.  Refreshing to see rather than the same boring nonsense you see people pedal in interviews week in and week out.

Also, is there a method to Mugsy's madness, it will surely spur on the slated ones to perform better.  Possibly the boot in the hole they needed?


I'd have less of a problem with Mugsy sticking the boot in if it was based on facts. Enda McGinley and Philly Jordan are two that give reasoned analysis, often criticising Tyrone and pointing out their flaws but doing it in an informed manner.

Philly does, Enda certainly doesn't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 03, 2018, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
Incredible article from Mugsy, loved it.  Top top slating. Had all the subtly of a car wreck.  Refreshing to see rather than the same boring nonsense you see people pedal in interviews week in and week out.

Also, is there a method to Mugsy's madness, it will surely spur on the slated ones to perform better.  Possibly the boot in the hole they needed?


I'd have less of a problem with Mugsy sticking the boot in if it was based on facts. Enda McGinley and Philly Jordan are two that give reasoned analysis, often criticising Tyrone and pointing out their flaws but doing it in an informed manner.

Philly does, Enda certainly doesn't.

Doesn't what? In my opinion Enda is one of the best pundits around and definitely don't think he is a Tyrone 'cheerleader' in any way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

Neither are forwards, but if you want to class as a forward - Peter Harte, maybe would be knocking the door. Donnelly doesn't get a snff.

For me Harte is a wonderful player, but a Dooher/Cavlin/McGuigan/O'Neill/Mulligan/Canavan/Penrose he is not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

Neither are forwards, but if you want to class as a forward - Peter Harte, maybe would be knocking the door. Donnelly doesn't get a snff.

For me Harte is a wonderful player, but a Dooher/Cavlin/McGuigan/O'Neill/Mulligan/Canavan/Penrose he is not.

In my opinion Penrose isn't fit to lace Peter Harte's boots and Matty Donnelly is a better half forward than Ryan Mellon ever was
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on May 03, 2018, 04:35:44 PM
Yes I wouldn't put Penrose or Mellon in the same class as Canavan/Cavlan/Dooher/SON/Mulligan.

Harte & Matty better than either Penrose or Mellon. I remember Mellon got the 1st 2 points I think in the 2005 final for Tyrone but don't think he did a pile after that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 03, 2018, 06:32:43 PM
I think neither Mattie or Harte are particularly good leaders and struggle a little when they are the main focus of the opposition attention. In that regard I think the pair of them would have thrived when the opposition focus may have been on Canavan, O'Neill or Mugsy. Donnelly would have made hay given the space Kerry afforded Ryan Mellon....as did Ryan in the first half of 05 to be fair and both would be much better versions of themselves with better quality team mates.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
When Mugsy was on the team squad didn't really bother me whether he was picked or not. Had some outstanding moments in the Tyrone jersey but consistent he was not. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Canavan or O'Neill. He seems to think he was a better player than any of the forwards we have now. He wasn't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 03, 2018, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
When Mugsy was on the team squad didn't really bother me whether he was picked or not. Had some outstanding moments in the Tyrone jersey but consistent he was not. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Canavan or O'Neill. He seems to think he was a better player than any of the forwards we have now. He wasn't.

I would say he was..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 09:20:30 PM
wouldnt exactly say o neill was consistent either. unreal year in 05 but alot of injuries other years. didnt start finals of 03 or 08. canavan out on his own with ability, consistency, reliability and longevity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 03, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
What they wouldn't give to have O'Neill and Mugsy now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 09:55:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 03, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
What they wouldn't give to have O'Neill and Mugsy now.
to be honest it wouldnt have made much difference this last few years cause we dont kick the ball inside. would o neill or mulligan have been much use against dublin last year with our gameplan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 03, 2018, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 09:55:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 03, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
What they wouldn't give to have O'Neill and Mugsy now.
to be honest it wouldnt have made much difference this last few years cause we dont kick the ball inside. would o neill or mulligan have been much use against dublin last year with our gameplan?

That's true, very hard to blossom playing like that probaly why so many good forwards havent come through... Coney, McNiece, McKenna, McCurry...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
When Mugsy was on the team squad didn't really bother me whether he was picked or not. Had some outstanding moments in the Tyrone jersey but consistent he was not. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Canavan or O'Neill. He seems to think he was a better player than any of the forwards we have now. He wasn't.

A truly embarrassing post. Have a word with yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 03, 2018, 10:32:03 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
When Mugsy was on the team squad didn't really bother me whether he was picked or not. Had some outstanding moments in the Tyrone jersey but consistent he was not. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Canavan or O'Neill. He seems to think he was a better player than any of the forwards we have now. He wasn't.

A truly embarrassing post. Have a word with yourself.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 10:33:59 PM
jimbob should stick to correcting peoples spellings and grammer and leave the football chat to the rest of us.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 09:20:30 PM
wouldnt exactly say o neill was consistent either. unreal year in 05 but alot of injuries other years. didnt start finals of 03 or 08. canavan out on his own with ability, consistency, reliability and longevity.

This suggests you agree with me !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
When Mugsy was on the team squad didn't really bother me whether he was picked or not. Had some outstanding moments in the Tyrone jersey but consistent he was not. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Canavan or O'Neill. He seems to think he was a better player than any of the forwards we have now. He wasn't.

A truly embarrassing post. Have a word with yourself.

Embarrassing to who ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 10:33:59 PM
jimbob should stick to correcting peoples spellings and grammer and leave the football chat to the rest of us.lol

Jesus wept !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 04, 2018, 07:33:37 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

Did Penrose start All Ireland Final? I cant rememenber

Mellon was outstanding, that performance against the Dubs in the rain where he scored the goal, Man off the match in All Ireland final? He certainly would never have been droppped from that team!

Tommy McGuigan-  Goal in the All ireland final!!

Even at this, where would you put Matty and Harte then Corner forward? Because both Matty and Harte have shown they arent  half the player they are on the full forward line..
Dont get me wrong great players but as forwards on the 00's team, I dont think so.
Ill use an example..

Dooher McGuigan Mellon
Mugsey Canavan Oneil

Who do you drop?
it's hard to believe that is actually the only time that full forward line played together, the 05 final. Some messing about with team selection even back then. In an 09 league game against Dublin in croke Sean Cavanagh replaced canavan as that full forward. Tyrone were brilliant that night.with the trio up front. After that Cavanagh was moved out to midfield with Penrose and a few different others chopped and changed into the forwards. Short kick outs took over and the Tyrone seniors have been rubbish ever since. Ah well, it will be 2021 at least before the good times hopefully come back and Tyrone GAA is out of the gutter. Ps well done too SF in West Tyrone, the neo Catholic bigot s.wont be happy this morning lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on May 04, 2018, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: chieftain on May 03, 2018, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 03, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 03, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
I was disappointed to see Mugsy in the papers trying to stir up controversy in return for a few quid from Paddy power. I think he was particularly harsh on Morgan and don't think that a fellow Tyrone man, and former team mate of Nialls, should be sticking the knife in like this. He said that Brennan would kick the longer range frees blindfolded, if Mugsy was watching Tyrone in the league this year at all he would know this is not the case. Lee racked up a big tally from frees throughout the league but it has to be said that a number of these were handy ones from close in and that he was guilty of missing a few longer range ones. It's also very easy to say that Lee should hit, and would score, all of our frees but the fact remains that he hasn't been tested in the white heat of a championship match that is in the balance so the jury should remain out until this happens.

Mugsy also claimed that our style is too defensive and that he would like to see Lee, Bradley, Skeet and Harte all playing closer to goal. Again, has he not been watching Tyrone this year? This was exactly the forward line v Donegal and Mayo in our good run towards the end of the League and Niall Sludden was also playing further up the pitch.

I didnt get reading it but did Mugsy state that none of the Tyrone forwards would have got on any of the Tyrone teams that won All Ireland.
Agree of Disagree? IMO its hard to disagree, Certainly not in the first 2 all Ireland wins anyway!!
Maybe Sludden would be the only one who would come close to it and even at that you'd have to throw him in at wing forward cause B.McGuigan certainly wouldnt be replaced

He's absolutely correct. None of them would have got onto the teams of the 00s. That in itself is no insult, just reality.

Are we not classing Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte as forwards? Because either of them would have made those teams. In case you have all forgotten, Ryan Mellon, Marty Penrose and Tommy McGuigan all started in All Ireland finals in the 00s.

Did Penrose start All Ireland Final? I cant rememenber

Mellon was outstanding, that performance against the Dubs in the rain where he scored the goal, Man off the match in All Ireland final? He certainly would never have been droppped from that team!

Tommy McGuigan-  Goal in the All ireland final!!

Even at this, where would you put Matty and Harte then Corner forward? Because both Matty and Harte have shown they arent  half the player they are on the full forward line..
Dont get me wrong great players but as forwards on the 00's team, I dont think so.
Ill use an example..

Dooher McGuigan Mellon
Mugsey Canavan Oneil

Who do you drop?

Did that forward line ever start together?

You must be too young to remember young fella.

All Ireland final 2005, a great day out!

This is what they scored on the day.

B Dooher (0-1), B McGuigan (0-3), R Mellon (0-2); P Canavan (1-1), S O'Neill (0-4), O Mulligan (0-4)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 04, 2018, 09:46:18 AM
Feck lads when you think about that noughties team give us some great days out!


We're spoilt since!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 04, 2018, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
When Mugsy was on the team squad didn't really bother me whether he was picked or not. Had some outstanding moments in the Tyrone jersey but consistent he was not. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Canavan or O'Neill. He seems to think he was a better player than any of the forwards we have now. He wasn't.

A truly embarrassing post. Have a word with yourself.

Embarrassing to who ?

To yourself, your friends, your family, the people of Tyrone and the entire GAA community on the island of Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on May 04, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
When Mugsy was on the team squad didn't really bother me whether he was picked or not. Had some outstanding moments in the Tyrone jersey but consistent he was not. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Canavan or O'Neill. He seems to think he was a better player than any of the forwards we have now. He wasn't.

Agree with you regarding his consistency very hot and cold.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 04, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 04, 2018, 09:46:18 AM
Feck lads when you think about that noughties team give us some great days out!


We're spoilt since!

Yip some memories. Probably because you were younger as well and the drink was flowing.
Anyone remember the midnight callers, wouldn't surprise me if they are on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on May 04, 2018, 01:57:28 PM
And the Celtic Tiger.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 04, 2018, 11:41:07 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 09:20:30 PM
wouldnt exactly say o neill was consistent either. unreal year in 05 but alot of injuries other years. didnt start finals of 03 or 08. canavan out on his own with ability, consistency, reliability and longevity.

This suggests you agree with me !!!
i agree mulligan was inconsistant but to say it didnt bother you if he played or not shows your knowledge of football. lucky you werent managing the team back then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on May 04, 2018, 11:59:57 PM
Trillich have averaged almost 20 points a game this year which is an amazing stat in a very competitive division. Despite Trillick being slow to start they won 2-13 to 1-8. Not sure what's going on in Killyclogher but they look a shadow of the team they were. Trillick are a very impressive group. Their defence tonight were very impressive. Stand out team at the minute.
On another point the Island lost again tonight very worrying for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 05, 2018, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 04, 2018, 11:41:07 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 03, 2018, 09:20:30 PM
wouldnt exactly say o neill was consistent either. unreal year in 05 but alot of injuries other years. didnt start finals of 03 or 08. canavan out on his own with ability, consistency, reliability and longevity.

This suggests you agree with me !!!
i agree mulligan was inconsistant but to say it didnt bother you if he played or not shows your knowledge of football. lucky you werent managing the team back then.

Glad you agree with me. !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 05, 2018, 10:51:33 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 04, 2018, 09:48:25 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 03, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 03, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
When Mugsy was on the team squad didn't really bother me whether he was picked or not. Had some outstanding moments in the Tyrone jersey but consistent he was not. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Canavan or O'Neill. He seems to think he was a better player than any of the forwards we have now. He wasn't.

A truly embarrassing post. Have a word with yourself.

Embarrassing to who ?

To yourself, your friends, your family, the people of Tyrone and the entire GAA community on the island of Ireland.

So you re a big Mugsy lover. I wasn't ..... just accept that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
I've not watched any club football at all as I live in Dublin lads but here is the starting 15 I would like to see, not the 15 I think will start though. I think Rory Brennan brings so much pace to the half back line along with Tiernan but Meyler is not too far away I'd say.

Morgan

McCarron
Hampsey
HP McGeary

Tiernan McCann
Frank Burns
Rory Brennan

McClure
Cavanagh

Sludden
Mattie
P.Harte

Lee Brennan
McShane
Mark Bradley (Maybe Skeet)

Subs
McAliskey
Meyler
Mulgrew
McNamee
Conan McCann
Kieran McGeary
McNulty
O'Neill
McCrory
Richie

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2018, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
I've not watched any club football at all as I live in Dublin lads but here is the starting 15 I would like to see, not the 15 I think will start though. I think Rory Brennan brings so much pace to the half back line along with Tiernan but Meyler is not too far away I'd say.

Morgan

McCarron
Hampsey
HP McGeary

Tiernan McCann
Frank Burns
Rory Brennan

McClure
Cavanagh

Sludden
Mattie
P.Harte

Lee Brennan
McShane
Mark Bradley (Maybe Skeet)

Subs
McAliskey
Meyler
Mulgrew
McNamee
Conan McCann
Kieran McGeary
McNulty
O'Neill
McCrory
Richie

Morgan

McCarron
Hampsey
HP McGeary

K McGeary
Frank Burns
Meyler

McClure
McShane

Sludden
Mattie
P.Harte

Lee Brennan
Skeet
Mark Bradley

My team above. As much as I would like to be proved wrong I can't see Colm Cavanagh being fit to start with him not having played for the Moy at all yet. Also I think Tiernan McCann will have to be content with coming on from the bench this time out, he missed 3 months football there and with his game relying so much on pace and fitness I think it might take him another little to get up to full speed.

I also think Skeet is nailed on to start as we have nobody to kick right footed frees if he doesn't. There's a strong possibility there will be a couple of surprise selections though with a lot of training and club football having taken place since the last National League game - remember Conall McCann played barely any League last year then started and got Man of the Match first day out in the Championship v Derry.

Anybody any insight as to any non-regulars who are flying at club level? Guessing Richy Donnelly and Ruairi Brennan are playing well what with Trillick's good start? I see McNamee scored 6 from play in one of Ahyaran's recent games, i wonder is there a chance we could see him at wing back or midfield this year? He is a tall strong physical presence and comfortable on the ball and could struggle to get on the team otherwise with Hampsey and Burns looking settled at 3 and 6 respectively.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2018, 05:19:06 PM
From my sources I heard Colm will be fit to start

Yeah you would imagine with the wealth of half backs and half forwards at his disposal then it would seem unfair to the others for Tiernan to walk straight back into the team but like I said that is the team I'd like to see.
I just think two really speedy wing backs are very important these days who can shoot.

Yeah wondered that about McNamee too. Would he do better out around the middle or even half forward.
Hopefully Frank Burns can keep up his high standards he has set this year and also the fans dont get on McShane's back if he misses a few shots. Some players get lots of latitude and some are hung out to dry very early.

Positions mean very little any more as we know so like the league games I'd say there will be a lot of chopping and changes with loads of different players moving into the FF line at different times.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2018, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2018, 05:19:06 PM
From my sources I heard Colm will be fit to start


Hopefully. Regardless of the Monaghan game, I think as the year progresses this last couple of months off will really benefit Colm. Only for picking up the injury he would have been on the go non-stop since the start of last year with club and county and i think it would have been very difficult for him to maintain his high standards throughout the summer. So hopefully he will come back refreshed whenever he is ready
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 08, 2018, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2018, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2018, 05:19:06 PM
From my sources I heard Colm will be fit to start


Hopefully. Regardless of the Monaghan game, I think as the year progresses this last couple of months off will really benefit Colm. Only for picking up the injury he would have been on the go non-stop since the start of last year with club and county and i think it would have been very difficult for him to maintain his high standards throughout the summer. So hopefully he will come back refreshed whenever he is ready


Do you remember when half the people on here thought big Colm was sh1te - that was some craic!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on May 08, 2018, 07:52:41 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 08, 2018, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2018, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2018, 05:19:06 PM
From my sources I heard Colm will be fit to start


Hopefully. Regardless of the Monaghan game, I think as the year progresses this last couple of months off will really benefit Colm. Only for picking up the injury he would have been on the go non-stop since the start of last year with club and county and i think it would have been very difficult for him to maintain his high standards throughout the summer. So hopefully he will come back refreshed whenever he is ready


Do you remember when half the people on here thought big Colm was sh1te - that was some craic!

Who changed opinion? There was a seperate position created for him. The reason people thought he was sh1te was because he was sh1te in a conventional football set-up. And i say sh1te in regards to country standard as I always looked at him as a very good club footballer, just a bit below county standard. But to his and Sean's fortune, football changed, he became the Beckenbauer supreme of GAA (actually tied with Cian O'Sullivan) and now he's an all-star. Better to be born lucky than good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 08, 2018, 08:23:09 PM
thats a pile of shite, therealdonald. colly cavanagh had already bagged and all ireland minor title before he got on tyrone senior team. he may not have looked the most natural footballer in the early days but always had a fantastic attitude. id say its more to do with his hard work and dedication to the tyrone cause than luck. pity we didnt have a few more like him this last few years. and ur attitude towards him stinks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on May 08, 2018, 08:39:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 08, 2018, 08:23:09 PM
thats a pile of shite, therealdonald. colly cavanagh had already bagged and all ireland minor title before he got on tyrone senior team. he may not have looked the most natural footballer in the early days but always had a fantastic attitude. id say its more to do with his hard work and dedication to the tyrone cause than luck. pity we didnt have a few more like him this last few years. and ur attitude towards him stinks.

Just like your attitude towards Micky harte stinks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 08, 2018, 09:22:20 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on May 08, 2018, 08:39:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 08, 2018, 08:23:09 PM
thats a pile of shite, therealdonald. colly cavanagh had already bagged and all ireland minor title before he got on tyrone senior team. he may not have looked the most natural footballer in the early days but always had a fantastic attitude. id say its more to do with his hard work and dedication to the tyrone cause than luck. pity we didnt have a few more like him this last few years. and ur attitude towards him stinks.

Just like your attitude towards Micky harte stinks.
yeah difference is colly cavanagh proved the doubters wrong. mickey keeps proving me right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 08, 2018, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 08, 2018, 07:52:41 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 08, 2018, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2018, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2018, 05:19:06 PM
From my sources I heard Colm will be fit to start


Hopefully. Regardless of the Monaghan game, I think as the year progresses this last couple of months off will really benefit Colm. Only for picking up the injury he would have been on the go non-stop since the start of last year with club and county and i think it would have been very difficult for him to maintain his high standards throughout the summer. So hopefully he will come back refreshed whenever he is ready


Do you remember when half the people on here thought big Colm was sh1te - that was some craic!

Who changed opinion? There was a seperate position created for him. The reason people thought he was sh1te was because he was sh1te in a conventional football set-up. And i say sh1te in regards to country standard as I always looked at him as a very good club footballer, just a bit below county standard. But to his and Sean's fortune, football changed, he became the Beckenbauer supreme of GAA (actually tied with Cian O'Sullivan) and now he's an all-star. Better to be born lucky than good.

Lets not say things we can't back up. They are not even in the same league as footballers or even positionally. O'Sullivan is so many more levels ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 08, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
Aidy Mcrory played well in the in house game down in carton house
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 08, 2018, 10:40:55 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 08, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
Aidy Mcrory played well in the in house game down in carton house
lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 09, 2018, 03:16:33 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 08, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
Aidy Mcrory played well in the in house game down in carton house
oh yeah a heard that, he was marking a cardboard cut out of Darren McCurry.on the golf course. That's Aidy boy!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 09, 2018, 06:58:34 AM
McCrory midfield with McNamee, McClure FF
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on May 09, 2018, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 08, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
Aidy Mcrory played well in the in house game down in carton house

Heard that nobody played in Carlton House!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 09, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 08, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
Aidy Mcrory played well in the in house game down in carton house

That's a crazy statement from a crazy person. Aiden Mc Crory did play well however against Dromore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 09, 2018, 11:40:14 AM
I think it's fair to say Mickey Harte has changed a lot himself in the last 10 or 15 years.

Many including myself would still say he's a very stubborn man who often does the opposite to what others want him to do and you have to question why but in some ways he has changed.
Even back in the 2000's there was a lot more emphasis on defence where you would often see half forwards back in their own half but alas the Jim McGuinness era meant we had to adapt to that and then move that style on another notch.
Last year we saw the best of that system in every match we played in the championship with HUGE scores being put up and few being conceded, up until we met the best team of the century so far.
I think we've already saw enough signs in the league that Mickey is willing to adapt and change his stance with so many new players brought in now like Hampsey, Lee Brennan, McGearys, Burns, McClure, Mulgrew etc but those like Ronan O'Neill and McCurry who he knows have the skill but not the work rate or tend to bottle it on big days have been dropped and he's shown his "ruthless" side.

Living in Dublin I see a lot of what goes on here at underage club level and the sheer numbers playing GAA now is immense. It used to be looked down on by many as bogball but now its cool to play GAA and you see so many kids walking around in GAA tops and with hurls rather than Man U or soccer tops.

i think the Dubs will continue to dominate but we really let ourselves down last year and didn't show up. Galway in the league did to the Dubs what I had hoped we would have done. Got in their faces and hassled them all day long. We can get back to that level and I'd be happy to get to the last 4 again and maybe we can finally beat a top 4 team again. Its been 10 years now since we did.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 09, 2018, 11:41:34 AM
Interesting that ronan mcnabb playing fullback for dromore this year. Could he be a late contender for the 3 jersey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 09, 2018, 12:08:47 PM
Nice post fuzz man. I don't think Dublin would have beat our 2003 team, so I wouldnt say they are the team of the century, second best this century probably. Football is thriving up here as well. Go to any cul camp or Easter camp or u8 u10 training in clubs and you will see massive numbers. It's keeping them at it as they get older can be challenging for some clubs. Only an all Ireland final will keep me happy this year and I think we can get there.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 09, 2018, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 09, 2018, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 09, 2018, 11:41:34 AM
Interesting that ronan mcnabb playing fullback for dromore this year. Could he be a late contender for the 3 jersey.

Is he full back because Dromore have not options here?
Cathal McCarron away and Tomas McCarron is out with a crucicate.
Only other man I can think of who could play here is Red Sean
They do have Peter Teague who was full back for Tyrone U21s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on May 09, 2018, 01:26:45 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 09, 2018, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 09, 2018, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 09, 2018, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 09, 2018, 11:41:34 AM
Interesting that ronan mcnabb playing fullback for dromore this year. Could he be a late contender for the 3 jersey.

Is he full back because Dromore have not options here?
Cathal McCarron away and Tomas McCarron is out with a crucicate.
Only other man I can think of who could play here is Red Sean
They do have Peter Teague who was full back for Tyrone U21s.

Oh yes, Captained the U20's to recent success!!
Where is Teague playing for Dromore then?

I believe he is playing full back with ronan mcnabb playing 6.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on May 10, 2018, 08:49:15 AM
Did anyone hear Garvaghy was on lockdown last night? No-one allowed in but the Senior Team.
I know an Underage Goalkeeping Coaching Camp was cancelled. All because Mickey wanted no-one there whilst training was ongoing. Worse than Donegal if this is true.
Did anyone hear about it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 10, 2018, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on May 10, 2018, 08:49:15 AM
Did anyone hear Garvaghy was on lockdown last night? No-one allowed in but the Senior Team.
I know an Underage Goalkeeping Coaching Camp was cancelled. All because Mickey wanted no-one there whilst training was ongoing. Worse than Donegal if this is true.
Did anyone hear about it?
its certainly not the first time it happened.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HalfBack7 on May 10, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on May 10, 2018, 08:49:15 AM
Did anyone hear Garvaghy was on lockdown last night? No-one allowed in but the Senior Team.
I know an Underage Goalkeeping Coaching Camp was cancelled. All because Mickey wanted no-one there whilst training was ongoing. Worse than Donegal if this is true.
Did anyone hear about it?

That has been happening for years. Underage teams, hurling teams, ladies teams regularly get locked out of Garvaghy in the lead up to big games and told to find elsewhere to train.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 10, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
I don't bother with this thread anymore but it looked a page or two ago that a bit of football talk was going to break out but the usual suspects aren't having that. Colm Cavanagh no good, garvaghy talk etc. There is no reason why ladies football hurling etc can't be talked about on here but the only time it's mentioned is something to do with training in garvaghy.

Getting back to football. The team I'd like to see out next week if everyone is fit is as follows:

Morgan
McCarron
Hampsey
HP McGeary
McCann
Burns
Meyler
Cavanagh
McNamee
Harte
Sludden
Donnelly
Brennan
McShane
McAliskey

Hugh Pat has to prove he's up to the corner back position at championship pace but he deserves a go after decent showings in the league. McNamee seems to be going well in club football and none of the other midfield options have done enough to warrant a place. So I'd happily take a chance on him there. McAliskey would be lucky to start but if left close to goal can get scores. He can also be used for the right footed frees. McShane would come out around the middle to help out.

If Cavanagh ruled out then I'd bring Mattie into midfield and throw on Kieran McGeary to half forward. I'm happy enough with our first 15 but worry the panel isn't as strong as some years.

It would be great if the county page could be used to discuss football over the next few months. Mickey Harte is the manager for the rest of the year so there is no point discussing that until the championship is over. There is a separate page for Garvaghy etc where it can be discussed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 10, 2018, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 10, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
I don't bother with this thread anymore but it looked a page or two ago that a bit of football talk was going to break out but the usual suspects aren't having that. Colm Cavanagh no good, garvaghy talk etc. There is no reason why ladies football hurling etc can't be talked about on here but the only time it's mentioned is something to do with training in garvaghy.

Getting back to football. The team I'd like to see out next week if everyone is fit is as follows:

Morgan
McCarron
Hampsey
HP McGeary
McCann
Burns
Meyler
Cavanagh
McNamee
Harte
Sludden
Donnelly
Brennan
McShane
McAliskey

Hugh Pat has to prove he's up to the corner back position at championship pace but he deserves a go after decent showings in the league. McNamee seems to be going well in club football and none of the other midfield options have done enough to warrant a place. So I'd happily take a chance on him there. McAliskey would be lucky to start but if left close to goal can get scores. He can also be used for the right footed frees. McShane would come out around the middle to help out.

If Cavanagh ruled out then I'd bring Mattie into midfield and throw on Kieran McGeary to half forward. I'm happy enough with our first 15 but worry the panel isn't as strong as some years.

It would be great if the county page could be used to discuss football over the next few months. Mickey Harte is the manager for the rest of the year so there is no point discussing that until the championship is over. There is a separate page for Garvaghy etc where it can be discussed.

Well said Santa.

I'm happy with the dept of our panel, if we went with your team then in each line of the pitch we still have  players of similar quality who are able to come from the bench.

Full back line: McKernan, McRory (not a fan personally but he has plenty of intercounty experience)
Half Back: Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Ronan McNabb
Midfield: McClure and McNulty
Half Forward: Mulgrew, Richy Donnelly, Kieran McGeary again, Conall McCann
Full Forward: Bradley, O'Neill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 10, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
I think our squad is actually stronger this year than other years
With the exception of having maybe a match winning forward to spring from the bench we have great cover all over the field.

We've a good 2nd keeper, better man markers I feel in the full back line. So much so that McNamee and McCrory are likely not to start in defence.

If its true Mulgrew got a shoulder operation then he will be a big loss to spring from the bench.
He looks a class forward I thought last year and is well built

Can you believe how we aren't even talking about Mark Bradley whereas last few years he was our main exciting forward?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 10, 2018, 02:53:26 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 10, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
I think our squad is actually stronger this year than other years
With the exception of having maybe a match winning forward to spring from the bench we have great cover all over the field.

We've a good 2nd keeper, better man markers I feel in the full back line. So much so that McNamee and McCrory are likely not to start in defence.

If its true Mulgrew got a shoulder operation then he will be a big loss to spring from the bench.
He looks a class forward I thought last year and is well built

Can you believe how we aren't even talking about Mark Bradley whereas last few years he was our main exciting forward?

Mulgrew has been playing for Ardboe so should be available for selection v Monaghan. I still think Bradley is potentially our best inside forward, he was great for us last year bar the Dublin game where he didn't stand a chance really. Whereas Brennan is unproven at championship level but deserves his chance this year. The unfortunate thing about giving Brennan his chance is that it could be tough to start two small nippy left footed corner forwards at the same time. Personally though I would start both and play them close to goal alongside Skeet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on May 10, 2018, 03:04:28 PM
John McEntee's comment about Lee Brennan were a bit rash in his article in todays Irish News. Very quick to write a young player off who had a very good league campaign and has been shooting the lights out in club & underage county football this past few years.



Take Tyrone, for example. Trillick's high-scoring forward Lee Brennan has big shoes to fill if he is to take the place of Stephen O'Neill as the Red Hands' go-to man.

This is Lee's first year as a regular starter. To be the primary scorer and to thrive in the white heat of Championship football would seem to be a tough ask for one so young.

I've played alongside very fine footballers who could kick points for fun in club games and in training matches, but to perform on Championship Sunday takes a special kind of guy, someone with a self-confidence forged from many years of having the answers to the questions others pose.

If Tyrone are to win, Brennan (if fit) must be the guy who provides the icing on the cake rather than the guy who bakes the cake. He is not yet ready to carry that responsibility.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 10, 2018, 03:50:03 PM
Quote from: toby47 on May 10, 2018, 03:04:28 PM
John McEntee's comment about Lee Brennan were a bit rash in his article in todays Irish News. Very quick to write a young player off who had a very good league campaign and has been shooting the lights out in club & underage county football this past few years.



Take Tyrone, for example. Trillick's high-scoring forward Lee Brennan has big shoes to fill if he is to take the place of Stephen O'Neill as the Red Hands' go-to man.

This is Lee's first year as a regular starter. To be the primary scorer and to thrive in the white heat of Championship football would seem to be a tough ask for one so young.

I've played alongside very fine footballers who could kick points for fun in club games and in training matches, but to perform on Championship Sunday takes a special kind of guy, someone with a self-confidence forged from many years of having the answers to the questions others pose.

If Tyrone are to win, Brennan (if fit) must be the guy who provides the icing on the cake rather than the guy who bakes the cake. He is not yet ready to carry that responsibility.


That comment doesn't come across as writing him off. Is suggesting he is NOT YET ready... in other words a bit early to cast him as the main man. I think that's fair enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on May 10, 2018, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 10, 2018, 03:50:03 PM
Quote from: toby47 on May 10, 2018, 03:04:28 PM
John McEntee's comment about Lee Brennan were a bit rash in his article in todays Irish News. Very quick to write a young player off who had a very good league campaign and has been shooting the lights out in club & underage county football this past few years.



Take Tyrone, for example. Trillick's high-scoring forward Lee Brennan has big shoes to fill if he is to take the place of Stephen O'Neill as the Red Hands' go-to man.

This is Lee's first year as a regular starter. To be the primary scorer and to thrive in the white heat of Championship football would seem to be a tough ask for one so young.

I've played alongside very fine footballers who could kick points for fun in club games and in training matches, but to perform on Championship Sunday takes a special kind of guy, someone with a self-confidence forged from many years of having the answers to the questions others pose.

If Tyrone are to win, Brennan (if fit) must be the guy who provides the icing on the cake rather than the guy who bakes the cake. He is not yet ready to carry that responsibility.


That comment doesn't come across as writing him off. Is suggesting he is NOT YET ready... in other words a bit early to cast him as the main man. I think that's fair enough

In an article about the ulster championship as a whole (and Lee Brennan is the only current player named in the whole article) I thought it was negative enough to concentrate in on one player and liken him to a man who can kick points in club and training but not in a championship game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 10, 2018, 03:56:49 PM
Maybe its small man syndrome but I could never get that argument about starting two small men at the same time.
If they're good enough then they're big enough in my eyes.
In my eyes Lee Brennan is the first forward we've had since Mugsy who has an eye for goal. He can sniff a chance out of nothing and can take it. You can see in his movement he's got that natural attacking instinct and flair but of course if he's double marked like many's a good player he wont do much unless he comes out the field.

I think Bradley will flourish more now that Lee is there with him and they know what sort of ball they need into them and not big long high hoofs. I am really looking forward to this game and think we will continue where we left off last summer before the Dublin disaster.

Remember we were putting up some huge scores last year without Lee and Skeet. Not bad for a team labelled as so negative and defensive.

Derry   0-11   
Tyrone   0-22

Tyrone   1-21
Donegal    1-12

Tyrone   2-17
Down    0.15

Tyrone   3-17
Armagh   0.08

Derry   0-11   
Tyrone   0-22

Tyrone   1-21
Donegal    1-12

Tyrone   2-17
Down    0.15

Tyrone   0.11
Dublin   2.17

re Lee yeah I think its a bit of Armagh jealousy and maybe saying he's only a young lad who has done nothing yet. It could help motivate him tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 10, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: toby47 on May 10, 2018, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 10, 2018, 03:50:03 PM
Quote from: toby47 on May 10, 2018, 03:04:28 PM
John McEntee's comment about Lee Brennan were a bit rash in his article in todays Irish News. Very quick to write a young player off who had a very good league campaign and has been shooting the lights out in club & underage county football this past few years.



Take Tyrone, for example. Trillick's high-scoring forward Lee Brennan has big shoes to fill if he is to take the place of Stephen O'Neill as the Red Hands' go-to man.

This is Lee's first year as a regular starter. To be the primary scorer and to thrive in the white heat of Championship football would seem to be a tough ask for one so young.

I've played alongside very fine footballers who could kick points for fun in club games and in training matches, but to perform on Championship Sunday takes a special kind of guy, someone with a self-confidence forged from many years of having the answers to the questions others pose.

If Tyrone are to win, Brennan (if fit) must be the guy who provides the icing on the cake rather than the guy who bakes the cake. He is not yet ready to carry that responsibility.


That comment doesn't come across as writing him off. Is suggesting he is NOT YET ready... in other words a bit early to cast him as the main man. I think that's fair enough

In an article about the ulster championship as a whole (and Lee Brennan is the only current player named in the whole article) I thought it was negative enough to concentrate in on one player and liken him to a man who can kick points in club and training but not in a championship game.

Ok I need to read it all.... was just going by sentence you put up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
I think it's fairly lazy of McEntee to be comparing Lee Brennan to Steven O'Neill or suggesting he is taking on that role, he's clearly not in that category at the minute (it doesn't take a football genius to point that out) but he's the best finisher we have got. It's an easy throw away line as a journalist to give a back handed criticism to say a player isn't as good as Steven O'Neill or another great player from their county. There aren't many forwards in the whole of Ireland as good as Stevie, is he going to go through every team in Ulster and say their best forward isn't as good as Steven O'Neill? If Lee kicks 1-5 or 0-6 or 0-8 in games be that from play or frees and doesn't do another thing then as far as I'm concerned it's his job done. I wouldn't be heaping pressure on him to be the next O'Neill but if he does turn into that type of player, what a bonus that would be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 10, 2018, 09:41:03 PM
You are all very sensitive. Thought it was a fair enough analysis. He's been the saviour according to this very forum for the past few years. If anything it took the pressure completely off Brennan. You only have to look at Monaghan and Jack McCarron he had a great league campaign last year and a terrible championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 10, 2018, 09:47:20 PM
If you were to play Brennan and Bradley in the forward line I think Bradley would have to go to centre half forward like he did in 2015. I'm not sure you'd get away with both in the full forward line.

I'd love to see us play a higher press game and push up on kick outs this year. If we don't have the ball players should drop back but the objective should be to get the ball back as quick as possible, not to mark space.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 10, 2018, 10:02:46 PM
i think lee brennan has the potential to go right to the top. but then i thought that about raymond mulgrew, kyle coney and ronan o neill so i wont get my hopes up too much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 10, 2018, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
I think it's fairly lazy of McEntee to be comparing Lee Brennan to Steven O'Neill or suggesting he is taking on that role, he's clearly not in that category at the minute (it doesn't take a football genius to point that out) but he's the best finisher we have got. It's an easy throw away line as a journalist to give a back handed criticism to say a player isn't as good as Steven O'Neill or another great player from their county. There aren't many forwards in the whole of Ireland as good as Stevie, is he going to go through every team in Ulster and say their best forward isn't as good as Steven O'Neill? If Lee kicks 1-5 or 0-6 or 0-8 in games be that from play or frees and doesn't do another thing then as far as I'm concerned it's his job done. I wouldn't be heaping pressure on him to be the next O'Neill but if he does turn into that type of player, what a bonus that would be.

he's hardy a journalist
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on May 10, 2018, 10:55:43 PM
Heard tonight Colm cav and Brennan both played internal game aover weekend in Johnson house, cav was sprinting up and down sideline for about 15 mins and then joined in with group. Was hell for leather by all accounts
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 10, 2018, 09:41:03 PM
You are all very sensitive. Thought it was a fair enough analysis. He's been the saviour according to this very forum for the past few years. If anything it took the pressure completely off Brennan. You only have to look at Monaghan and Jack McCarron he had a great league campaign last year and a terrible championship.

Not being sensitive, just thought it was a bit of lazy analysis to compare his role in the team with that of Steven O'Neill. Does he compare the best young Armagh player to Stevie McDonnell and suggest he's not up to that level? It's hardly ground breaking analysis to suggest Lee, who hasn't kicked a championship ball yet, isn't at that level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 10, 2018, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
I think it's fairly lazy of McEntee to be comparing Lee Brennan to Steven O'Neill or suggesting he is taking on that role, he's clearly not in that category at the minute (it doesn't take a football genius to point that out) but he's the best finisher we have got. It's an easy throw away line as a journalist to give a back handed criticism to say a player isn't as good as Steven O'Neill or another great player from their county. There aren't many forwards in the whole of Ireland as good as Stevie, is he going to go through every team in Ulster and say their best forward isn't as good as Steven O'Neill? If Lee kicks 1-5 or 0-6 or 0-8 in games be that from play or frees and doesn't do another thing then as far as I'm concerned it's his job done. I wouldn't be heaping pressure on him to be the next O'Neill but if he does turn into that type of player, what a bonus that would be.

he's hardy a journalist

Pundit then 🙄
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 11, 2018, 12:26:20 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 10, 2018, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
I think it's fairly lazy of McEntee to be comparing Lee Brennan to Steven O'Neill or suggesting he is taking on that role, he's clearly not in that category at the minute (it doesn't take a football genius to point that out) but he's the best finisher we have got. It's an easy throw away line as a journalist to give a back handed criticism to say a player isn't as good as Steven O'Neill or another great player from their county. There aren't many forwards in the whole of Ireland as good as Stevie, is he going to go through every team in Ulster and say their best forward isn't as good as Steven O'Neill? If Lee kicks 1-5 or 0-6 or 0-8 in games be that from play or frees and doesn't do another thing then as far as I'm concerned it's his job done. I wouldn't be heaping pressure on him to be the next O'Neill but if he does turn into that type of player, what a bonus that would be.

he's hardy a journalist

Pundit then 🙄

former GAA player  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 11, 2018, 10:39:47 AM
Talk is cheap and I wouldn't be putting too much interest in what an ex Armagh player says.
Like these were lads who wore rounded triangles on their jerseys hoping it would be the last piece of the jigsaw to bring them over the line. Did he have much impact on Mayo last year?

It will be interesting to see what impact Paddy Tally has on Galway this year.
Some people have promoted them back into the mix of being a top team judging by their league showing this year whereas others are wondering are they still a top 8 team like Monaghan or Tiperrary but no better than that. Time will tell I suppose but I'd be delighted to come up against either of those 3 in an AI semifinal like Wexford in 2008.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0327/950400-jordan-paddy-tally/

Anyone know how McCarron is doing? I thought he looked a bit slowish in the league and wondered could he be on his way out. He's older now with a family and your priorities change at that age. I wouldn't be surprised to see him and McNamee dropped.

http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/ronan-mcnamee-leading-the-tyrone-charge/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on May 11, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
Thought his comment was fair enough.  Comparisons like this are made throughout each county, when a talented player comes along, e.g. Jamie Clarke – Mc Conville, David Clifford – Gooch.  I think the point he was putting across that the cream of the crop rises during the championship when everything is on the line each game. 

He is right in saying putting up massive scores against a club team mean nothing when your up against a genuine top class defender in Croke Park in August, but is he is wrong in thinking he isn't ready to take the mantle of talisman forward? Time will tell...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 11, 2018, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 11, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
Thought his comment was fair enough.  Comparisons like this are made throughout each county, when a talented player comes along, e.g. Jamie Clarke – Mc Conville, David Clifford – Gooch.  I think the point he was putting across that the cream of the crop rises during the championship when everything is on the line each game. 

He is right in saying putting up massive scores against a club team mean nothing when your up against a genuine top class defender in Croke Park in August, but is he is wrong in thinking he isn't ready to take the mantle of talisman forward? Time will tell...

Is it good analysis though? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd expect someone of McEntee's experience to be analysing how Tyrone may (or may not) be adapting their offensive strategy from previous seasons to get their forwards more into scoring positions and the role the likes of Lee Brennan will play in this. Rather than making a fairly lazy comparison to Steven O'Neil and the churning out the tired old line about the white heat of championship footballl. I don't need to be a former county player to tell you that Lee currently isn't as good as Stevie or that Clifford may take a few seasons to get to the level of Gooch. But I'd expect a little bit of insight into how are these teams going to use these players in their debut season from someone like McEntee. Lee Brennan could be very effective for Tyrone this summer without ever hitting the heights that O'Neill did.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 11, 2018, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 11, 2018, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 11, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
Thought his comment was fair enough.  Comparisons like this are made throughout each county, when a talented player comes along, e.g. Jamie Clarke – Mc Conville, David Clifford – Gooch.  I think the point he was putting across that the cream of the crop rises during the championship when everything is on the line each game. 

He is right in saying putting up massive scores against a club team mean nothing when your up against a genuine top class defender in Croke Park in August, but is he is wrong in thinking he isn't ready to take the mantle of talisman forward? Time will tell...

Is it good analysis though? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd expect someone of McEntee's experience to be analysing how Tyrone may (or may not) be adapting their offensive strategy from previous seasons to get their forwards more into scoring positions and the role the likes of Lee Brennan will play in this. Rather than making a fairly lazy comparison to Steven O'Neil and the churning out the tired old line about the white heat of championship footballl. I don't need to be a former county player to tell you that Lee currently isn't as good as Stevie or that Clifford may take a few seasons to get to the level of Gooch. But I'd expect a little bit of insight into how are these teams going to use these players in their debut season from someone like McEntee. Lee Brennan could be very effective for Tyrone this summer without ever hitting the heights that O'Neill did.

McEntee is entitled to his opinion just like you are to disagree with him. I would imagine it could benefit Brennan in using it as motivation. And who cares what a former Armagh player thinks. Mugsys comments were more hurtful as he is a Tyrone Leg - End
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 11, 2018, 01:27:33 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/05/11/news/pomeroy-s-finest-frank-burns-keen-to-make-his-mark-with-tyrone-1325098/

Good article.
Why do people think its taken him a bit longer than the other U21s to come to the fore

Do ye not think it's mind games re McEntee?
He's planting a seed of doubt in his mind and he knows he's got nothing to lose. Id say he didn't put much thought into it to be fair but should Armagh meet Tyroe again this year there will be added pressure on Lee now to perform.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: qz on May 12, 2018, 03:25:12 AM
More BS from McEntee in his article "Will Tyrone make home advantage count in Healy Park, Omagh? It was once the most feared fortress in Ireland"

Do any of you recall Omagh ever been a fortress.. love to see the evidence. It's one of my biggest worries for the Monaghan game, having to play it in Omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 12, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
Agree with you qz,  Armagh, Dungannon even,  better records I'd have thought
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on May 12, 2018, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 11, 2018, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 11, 2018, 12:31:19 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 11, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
Thought his comment was fair enough.  Comparisons like this are made throughout each county, when a talented player comes along, e.g. Jamie Clarke – Mc Conville, David Clifford – Gooch.  I think the point he was putting across that the cream of the crop rises during the championship when everything is on the line each game. 

He is right in saying putting up massive scores against a club team mean nothing when your up against a genuine top class defender in Croke Park in August, but is he is wrong in thinking he isn't ready to take the mantle of talisman forward? Time will tell...

Is it good analysis though? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd expect someone of McEntee's experience to be analysing how Tyrone may (or may not) be adapting their offensive strategy from previous seasons to get their forwards more into scoring positions and the role the likes of Lee Brennan will play in this. Rather than making a fairly lazy comparison to Steven O'Neil and the churning out the tired old line about the white heat of championship footballl. I don't need to be a former county player to tell you that Lee currently isn't as good as Stevie or that Clifford may take a few seasons to get to the level of Gooch. But I'd expect a little bit of insight into how are these teams going to use these players in their debut season from someone like McEntee. Lee Brennan could be very effective for Tyrone this summer without ever hitting the heights that O'Neill did.

McEntee is entitled to his opinion just like you are to disagree with him. I would imagine it could benefit Brennan in using it as motivation. And who cares what a former Armagh player thinks. Mugsys comments were more hurtful as he is a Tyrone Leg - End

Lee doesn't need to take or listen to advice/opinions from a man who's driven into the same pothole 3 times in the last month. His column is usually drivel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 13, 2018, 02:46:46 AM
Quote from: qz on May 12, 2018, 03:25:12 AM
More BS from McEntee in his article "Will Tyrone make home advantage count in Healy Park, Omagh? It was once the most feared fortress in Ireland"

Do any of you recall Omagh ever been a fortress.. love to see the evidence. It's one of my biggest worries for the Monaghan game, having to play it in Omagh.

Ditto. I'd rather be in Clones.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 13, 2018, 02:48:11 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 11, 2018, 12:26:20 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 10, 2018, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 10, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
I think it's fairly lazy of McEntee to be comparing Lee Brennan to Steven O'Neill or suggesting he is taking on that role, he's clearly not in that category at the minute (it doesn't take a football genius to point that out) but he's the best finisher we have got. It's an easy throw away line as a journalist to give a back handed criticism to say a player isn't as good as Steven O'Neill or another great player from their county. There aren't many forwards in the whole of Ireland as good as Stevie, is he going to go through every team in Ulster and say their best forward isn't as good as Steven O'Neill? If Lee kicks 1-5 or 0-6 or 0-8 in games be that from play or frees and doesn't do another thing then as far as I'm concerned it's his job done. I wouldn't be heaping pressure on him to be the next O'Neill but if he does turn into that type of player, what a bonus that would be.

he's hardy a journalist

Pundit then 🙄

former GAA player  8)

Sure we're all one of those.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 13, 2018, 08:36:48 AM
Haven't been to see u17 yet but this lad hayes seems to be a strong player at full forward. Killyclogher lad, anybody at the games. We should win ulster again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bendyerback on May 14, 2018, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 13, 2018, 08:36:48 AM
Haven't been to see u17 yet but this lad hayes seems to be a strong player at full forward. Killyclogher lad, anybody at the games. We should win ulster again

He is a good one, very strong on the ball. Plays a bit of basket ball as well. He came on in the u17 final last year and scored a goal. He's worth watching.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on May 14, 2018, 12:52:45 PM
U20's shaping up well this year. Gave a full strength Dublin a tanking in Dublin on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on May 14, 2018, 02:58:10 PM
When are the Under 20's out in action V Monaghan.  Is it before the Senior game next Sunday or is there any curtain raiser at all?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on May 14, 2018, 03:04:11 PM
Friday after the Tyrone match, 25th May, stand alone fixture in Healy park 8pm throw in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 14, 2018, 03:22:49 PM
I heard Darragh Canavan isn't playing for the u20's this year and will be concentrating on club minor football instead, can anyone confirm this? If true this is arguably a smart move given he still has two years left at that grade. It will be interesting to see if he plays any part for Errigal seniors as the year progresses. Remember last year they used Peter Og McCartan (the same age then as Canavan is this year) as an impact sub throughout the championship to good effect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 14, 2018, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 14, 2018, 03:22:49 PM
I heard Darragh Canavan isn't playing for the u20's this year and will be concentrating on club minor football instead, can anyone confirm this? If true this is arguably a smart move given he still has two years left at that grade. It will be interesting to see if he plays any part for Errigal seniors as the year progresses. Remember last year they used Peter Og McCartan (the same age then as Canavan is this year) as an impact sub throughout the championship to good effect.
Peter Og was more developed physically.Not sure if young Canavan has the physical build to play senior football yet. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 14, 2018, 08:51:17 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 14, 2018, 03:22:49 PM
I heard Darragh Canavan isn't playing for the u20's this year and will be concentrating on club minor football instead, can anyone confirm this? If true this is arguably a smart move given he still has two years left at that grade. It will be interesting to see if he plays any part for Errigal seniors as the year progresses. Remember last year they used Peter Og McCartan (the same age then as Canavan is this year) as an impact sub throughout the championship to good effect.

He's playing for them as is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on May 15, 2018, 08:42:22 AM
Is there another match on before the senior game this Sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bendyerback on May 15, 2018, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 14, 2018, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 14, 2018, 03:22:49 PM
I heard Darragh Canavan isn't playing for the u20's this year and will be concentrating on club minor football instead, can anyone confirm this? If true this is arguably a smart move given he still has two years left at that grade. It will be interesting to see if he plays any part for Errigal seniors as the year progresses. Remember last year they used Peter Og McCartan (the same age then as Canavan is this year) as an impact sub throughout the championship to good effect.
Peter Og was more developed physically.Not sure if young Canavan has the physical build to play senior football yet.

Peter Og is physically stronger. His boxing training stands by him. A great impact sub for Errigal last year, but they panicked in the final an introduced him to early and he didn't have the desired effect. he might be a more permanent fixture this year I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 15, 2018, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on May 15, 2018, 08:42:22 AM
Is there another match on before the senior game this Sunday?

Ladies are playing
Who would be the top 3 stunners on the Tyrone ladies team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on May 15, 2018, 01:46:14 PM
Down v Monaghan U17's is the first game on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 16, 2018, 09:42:58 PM
'the cream always rises to the top'. another amazingly insightful nugget from that visionary genious mickey harte which took up a full back page in todays irish news. who needs Confucius.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 17, 2018, 10:56:18 AM
Sean Cavanagh's damning assessment of Mickey Harte's 'autocratic' style of management.
Autocratic: adjective:
relating to a ruler who has absolute power. Taking no account of other people's wishes or opinions; domineering.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-one-knows-where-tyrone-are-at-sean-cavanagh-hoping-to-see-impact-of-stephen-oneill-in-red-hand-attack-36915715.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 17, 2018, 11:34:58 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 17, 2018, 10:56:18 AM
Sean Cavanagh's damning assessment of Mickey Harte's 'autocratic' style of management.
Autocratic: adjective:
relating to a ruler who has absolute power. Taking no account of other people's wishes or opinions; domineering.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-one-knows-where-tyrone-are-at-sean-cavanagh-hoping-to-see-impact-of-stephen-oneill-in-red-hand-attack-36915715.html

Read his IV in the Irish News. Cavanagh goes Nuclear should be the headline. A damming assessment of MH and his managerial style. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on May 17, 2018, 11:41:49 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 16, 2018, 09:42:58 PM
'the cream always rises to the top'. another amazingly insightful nugget from that visionary genious mickey harte which took up a full back page in todays irish news. who needs Confucius.
"I'm the cream of the crop, I rise to the top
I never eat a pig, 'cause a pig is a cop
Or better yet a Terminator, like Arnold Schwarzanegger
Try to play me out like, as if my name was Sega."
You've put it in my head now lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 17, 2018, 11:48:57 AM
These comments below are exactly what plenty of posters here have been saying for some time. Startling to read them from Sean Mor. Mickey's latest comments on last year are worrying too, once more complaining that there was too much focus on the Dublin game and that people are disregarding how successful the system was in other championship games last year. The opposition was average in the other games and Tyrone winning those games comfortably was no reflection on the system. The ultra defensive system was clearly employed to try and beat the best teams and failed miserably - within 5 minutes - on the one occasion Tyrone were up against a strong team. That's why people focus on it. And while Dublin and Mayo pull a lot of men back, that doesn't mean they were playing the same style we were. Really have to hope he doesn't actually believe this stuff that he comes out with.

Good luck to the team on Sunday, hopefully we stick with the rather more expansive approach seen in the league rather than reverting to type.

His former team-mate Conor Gormley was firm in his belief that the Red Hand are lacking marquee forwards but Cavanagh disagrees and feels many quality attackers have gone by the wayside as a result of the system employed, name-checking the likes of Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, Kyle Coney and Niall McKenna.

"We haven't really played with any structure in the forward unit, that's probably the best way of putting it. There's been a flood of guys who probably have suffered because we haven't played with six attackers," the 35-year-old outlines.

"And some of those guys have obviously fallen away and aren't on the panel anymore. That's probably not all their own fault. If I'm honest, it's just the way the system, or the type of football, has gone. Some of those type of players have suffered.

"Some of those guys I would have called marquee, and thought they would be marquee. But because they never had that room to breathe and because some of them couldn't cope with having to spend more time on the bench, because we were going towards a certain type of player, they struggled.

"They were victims of the system, that's exactly what they were. It's sad that, because some of them have as much talent or possibly more talent than some of the older (guys), the guys that were on some of the older teams that myself and Conor played on.

"But they just haven't been given that opportunity to play, which is just tough. Quite a number of those players are forward players that have gone through confidence issues that if they'd been playing in a system that....you know, Tyrone naturally don't kick the ball much.

"And then being pulled ashore and fall down the pecking order. They're all there and you should see some of the stuff they do at training but unfortunately they don't have the confidence or don't have the... are maybe not stuck with the same way when the game would be 15 v 15.

"When things aren't going well there's a temptation for Mickey to go for a different style of player, a style of player that works hard and labours around the midfield and that can run the ball quick through the hands."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 17, 2018, 12:00:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 17, 2018, 11:34:58 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 17, 2018, 10:56:18 AM
Sean Cavanagh's damning assessment of Mickey Harte's 'autocratic' style of management.
Autocratic: adjective:
relating to a ruler who has absolute power. Taking no account of other people's wishes or opinions; domineering.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/no-one-knows-where-tyrone-are-at-sean-cavanagh-hoping-to-see-impact-of-stephen-oneill-in-red-hand-attack-36915715.html

Read his IV in the Irish News. Cavanagh goes Nuclear should be the headline. A damming assessment of MH and his managerial style.

some of the players would need to grow a set and speak up when they're in the squad  before running off to RTE.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 17, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Sean Cavanagh is obviously doing the whole, lets burst onto the punditry scene with some attention seeking views.

Haven't really been a fan of some of his antics over the years to be honest, but it's bound to be extremely gauling for Mickey Harte to hear him say this on the eve of the Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on May 17, 2018, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 17, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Sean Cavanagh is obviously doing the whole, lets burst onto the punditry scene with some attention seeking views.

Haven't really been a fan of some of his antics over the years to be honest, but it's bound to be extremely gauling for Mickey Harte to hear him say this on the eve of the Championship.

Both due to address the guests at Club Tyrone Function this evening.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 17, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
Maybe payback time for how Harte hung him out in his second book, practically blamed Cavanagh for losing to Cork in 2009 when he cried off sick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 17, 2018, 08:32:51 PM
Vindication... that is all! Harte out today, yesterday and tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 17, 2018, 08:58:36 PM
Personally think that's a disgrace from Cavanagh a couple of days before his counties championship opener. Disgrace.

Harte is here for year, we aren't offally. What is the point now only trying to be sensationalist to get more air time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: take_yer_points on May 17, 2018, 09:12:28 PM
Tyrone team v Monaghan:

1. N Morgan
2. P Hampsey
3. R McNamee
4. C McCarron
5. T McCann
6. F Burns
7. P Harte
8. C Cavanagh
9. M Donnelly
10. C McShane
11. N Sludden
12. C Meyler
13. L Brennan
14. C McAliskey
15. M Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 17, 2018, 09:35:36 PM
team all over the shop again. good to see sean cavanagh come out and say publicly what some of us have been saying for years. not sure about the timing though and why he didnt speak so loudly when he was playing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 17, 2018, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 17, 2018, 09:35:36 PM
team all over the shop again. good to see sean cavanagh come out and say publicly what some of us have been saying for years. not sure about the timing though and why he didnt speak so loudly when he was playing.
Better late than never a suppose. I see a few of daddy's favourites straight back into the team although Mickey usually springs a 'masterstroke' at the throw in and maybe slips his neighbour Aidan mcrory into full forward for Mark Bradley! Our father who art in heaven....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 17, 2018, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 17, 2018, 09:35:36 PM
team all over the shop again. good to see sean cavanagh come out and say publicly what some of us have been saying for years. not sure about the timing though and why he didnt speak so loudly when he was playing.

How is that team all over the place? Numbers on the back mean feck all. Ronan McNamee playing great ball for the club recently so no surprise to see him named.

Sean more than entitled to share his thoughts but doing it now snacks1of sensationalism rather than genuine scrutiny. Disappointed to see that, tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 17, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
meyler at 12? mc shane at 10? mc namee back at 3? mattie at midfield again? we finished the league well so why start moving players around again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 17, 2018, 10:22:36 PM
I would say probably not showing a full hand. That's my guess anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 17, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
I don't really see the point of this team naming. That won't be the 15 that take to the field. The Thursday night team creates a bit of a media circus. Actually like the look of the side but very much doubt it will be the 15. Hope Burns is kept at no.6
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 17, 2018, 11:09:05 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 17, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
I don't really see the point of this team naming. That won't be the 15 that take to the field. The Thursday night team creates a bit of a media circus. Actually like the look of the side but very much doubt it will be the 15. Hope Burns is kept at no.6

Is Mc Namee not injured ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 18, 2018, 07:05:51 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 17, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
meyler at 12? mc shane at 10? mc namee back at 3? mattie at midfield again? we finished the league well so why start moving players around again?

Half a brain and you'd know numbers mean nothing. I'm happy with that team to be honest. Meyler and Harte will most likely interchange. As will Donnelly and McShane. Mickey making it clear that Hampsey will pick up McManus and I think he's the best man for the job.

Really disappointed with Sean, cynical opportunistic timing and almost as if he's cosying up to his new employers by proving he's not in Mickeys pocket. Too late Sean. I hope he enjoys his bag of silver.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on May 18, 2018, 07:12:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 18, 2018, 07:05:51 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 17, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
meyler at 12? mc shane at 10? mc namee back at 3? mattie at midfield again? we finished the league well so why start moving players around again?

Half a brain and you'd know numbers mean nothing. I'm happy with that team to be honest. Meyler and Harte will most likely interchange. As will Donnelly and McShane. Mickey making it clear that Hampsey will pick up McManus and I think he's the best man for the job.

Really disappointed with Sean, cynical opportunistic timing and almost as if he's cosying up to his new employers by proving he's not in Mickeys pocket. Too late Sean. I hope he enjoys his bag of silver.

Hes working as a pundit now and fair play to him for not sitting on the fence. To make it as a pundit he needs to honest and forthright in his opinions. He gave a very interesting insight into the tyrone dictatorship management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on May 18, 2018, 08:22:00 AM
McNamee playing all his club football at midfield tho, now he's back at 3, big difference having to mark a decent forward which he isn't capable of. Would have though HP McGeary ahead of McCarron at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 08:42:35 AM
Mc Carron is actually ideal to mark jack mc Carron who is physical but not the quickest. Hampsey should mark mc manus.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on May 18, 2018, 08:46:24 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 08:42:35 AM
Mc Carron is actually ideal to mark jack mc Carron who is physical but not the quickest. Hampsey should mark mc manus.

Agree, C McCarron should be well suited for J McCarron, C McCarron has always got roasted by McManus. Can only see Hampsey on McManus!
Be interested to see how much the team changes as Harte never names the correct team on a Thursday, personally I dont think all 3 of T McCann, Colly and Lee will start, thats 3 men coming back from injury! Wudnt be surprised if Lee starts on the bench and be brought on if needed!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 18, 2018, 09:09:02 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on May 18, 2018, 08:22:00 AM
McNamee playing all his club football at midfield tho, now he's back at 3, big difference having to mark a decent forward which he isn't capable of. Would have though HP McGeary ahead of McCarron at this stage.
Do Monaghan keep 3 inside or in McNamee likely to end up round the middle?

Hope he does start with the named full forward line as it a while from we have  had a couple of scoring forwards on the team.

Harte & Meyler will interchange as HB is where Meyler played his best football and Mickey likes to name Petey at HB (more freedom! less likely to be man marked!).

T McCann on the field to give Monaghan the distraction of a pantomime villain
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 18, 2018, 10:29:13 AM
So in Gervaghey chat show last night Noel McGinn gave Sean Cavanagh a touch about speaking out AFTER he left the panel rather than having the balls as captain to speak up and Sean reminded Noel of what happened when he spoke up on radio. Of course Harte had left by that stage  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 18, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 10:29:13 AM
So in Gervaghey chat show last night Noel McGinn gave Sean Cavanagh a touch about speaking out AFTER he left the panel rather than having the balls as captain to speak up and Sean reminded Noel of what happened when he spoke up on radio. Of course Harte had left by that stage  :D

You should have took the mic,let Harte have it with both barrels. Did they say why the draw wasn't made
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 18, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 18, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 10:29:13 AM
So in Gervaghey chat show last night Noel McGinn gave Sean Cavanagh a touch about speaking out AFTER he left the panel rather than having the balls as captain to speak up and Sean reminded Noel of what happened when he spoke up on radio. Of course Harte had left by that stage  :D

You should have took the mic,let Harte have it with both barrels. Did they say why the draw wasn't made

Just said will be in three weeks... wouldn't have been safe to criticise Harte in the surroundings of the Gervaghy cult
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 18, 2018, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 18, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 10:29:13 AM
So in Gervaghey chat show last night Noel McGinn gave Sean Cavanagh a touch about speaking out AFTER he left the panel rather than having the balls as captain to speak up and Sean reminded Noel of what happened when he spoke up on radio. Of course Harte had left by that stage  :D

You should have took the mic,let Harte have it with both barrels. Did they say why the draw wasn't made

Just said will be in three weeks... wouldn't have been safe to criticise Harte in the surroundings of the Gervaghy cult

In other words you are another Yes man!!! :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 18, 2018, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 18, 2018, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 18, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 10:29:13 AM
So in Gervaghey chat show last night Noel McGinn gave Sean Cavanagh a touch about speaking out AFTER he left the panel rather than having the balls as captain to speak up and Sean reminded Noel of what happened when he spoke up on radio. Of course Harte had left by that stage  :D

You should have took the mic,let Harte have it with both barrels. Did they say why the draw wasn't made

Just said will be in three weeks... wouldn't have been safe to criticise Harte in the surroundings of the Gervaghy cult

In other words you are another Yes man!!! :o

Not really - I wouldnt attend such self indulgent nonsense!  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
I wonder what Harte thinks of Sean now?
I know Sean's dad never liked Mickey since he told him he shouldn't go to Aus.

Noel can be some craic but has to keep a tight rein on what he's allowed to ask I believe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on May 18, 2018, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
I wonder what Harte thinks of Sean now?
I know Sean's dad never liked Mickey since he told him he shouldn't go to Aus.

Noel can be some craic but has to keep a tight rein on what he's allowed to ask I believe.

He's just announced an autobiography on twitter!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 18, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: shezam on May 18, 2018, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
I wonder what Harte thinks of Sean now?
I know Sean's dad never liked Mickey since he told him he shouldn't go to Aus.

Noel can be some craic but has to keep a tight rein on what he's allowed to ask I believe.

He's just announced an autobiography on twitter!!

Payback time for Harte in his book blaming Sean for getting sick before they lost to Cork!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
Did the truth ever come out about that before the Cork game
Was he really sick or did he say something to Mickey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 18, 2018, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
Did the truth ever come out about that before the Cork game
Was he really sick or did he say something to Mickey?

Was that not the game where he went over on his ankle in the warm-up room after stepping on a water bottle?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 12:48:02 PM
Think that was Stevie o Neill Leo?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 18, 2018, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: shezam on May 18, 2018, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
I wonder what Harte thinks of Sean now?
I know Sean's dad never liked Mickey since he told him he shouldn't go to Aus.

Noel can be some craic but has to keep a tight rein on what he's allowed to ask I believe.

He's just announced an autobiography on twitter!!

I was going to say earlier that his comments are like those of a man trying to sell a book.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2018, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: shezam on May 18, 2018, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
I wonder what Harte thinks of Sean now?
I know Sean's dad never liked Mickey since he told him he shouldn't go to Aus.

Noel can be some craic but has to keep a tight rein on what he's allowed to ask I believe.

He's just announced an autobiography on twitter!!

Seriously lost a lot of respect for Cavanagh over the past few years. This tops the lot though. I'm no lover of Harte but he's literally trying to raise his profile off the back of the man (who if you like him or not, now) made him the player he was.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 18, 2018, 01:30:39 PM
Sean's an all time Tyrone great but there is definitely a whiff of narcissism off him. He even referred to himself in the 3rd person in his Newstalk interview!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 18, 2018, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2018, 01:18:00 PM
Quote from: shezam on May 18, 2018, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
I wonder what Harte thinks of Sean now?
I know Sean's dad never liked Mickey since he told him he shouldn't go to Aus.

Noel can be some craic but has to keep a tight rein on what he's allowed to ask I believe.

He's just announced an autobiography on twitter!!

Seriously lost a lot of respect for Cavanagh over the past few years. This tops the lot though. I'm no lover of Harte but he's literally trying to raise his profile off the back of the man (who if you like him or not, now) made him the player he was.
Do you really believe that Mickey Harte made Sean Cavanagh the player he was !!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Eugene and art were the ones to spot seans talents and gave him his chance in 02. Sean Cavanagh made Harte!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 18, 2018, 01:44:12 PM
Cavanagh was a serious talent before Harte came along.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 18, 2018, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Eugene and art were the ones to spot seans talents and gave him his chance in 02. Sean Cavanagh made Harte!

For the 1st time in a long time southtyronegael - I agree with you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2018, 02:01:46 PM
Perhaps the wrong choice of words - sure a good player, Harte made him a winner though. That's probably the best point.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 18, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2018, 02:01:46 PM
Perhaps the wrong choice of words - sure a good player, Harte made him a winner though. That's probably the best point.

Sean was a winner before he met Harte  2001 All Ireland minor champions. Was a lot of good players (Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher etc...)  made Harte a winner as much as he made them winners; hence failure to beat top team in the championship in 10 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on May 18, 2018, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Eugene and art were the ones to spot seans talents and gave him his chance in 02. Sean Cavanagh made Harte!

2002... the year Sean scored the equalising last minute goal in Ulster Championship v Armagh for the Seniors but couldnt make Mickey's U21 squad. Also the year Mickey won the All-Ireland U21. Unwillingness to introduce Sean to the squad another sign of his stubbornness. Though the whole Glencull thing tops the lot. Principled man in his own words. Happy enough to set his principles aside to get McCarron back in the fold but gave scores of players the silent treatment during his tenure treating them like meat suits and training ground fodder.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 18, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.

Hardly took a genius to move him out to midfield. Sean carried Tyrone over the line in 2008 All Ireland final and Harte then totally scapegoated him in his book after 2009 defeat. No gratitude or humility from Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 18, 2018, 03:58:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Eugene and art were the ones to spot seans talents and gave him his chance in 02. Sean Cavanagh made Harte!

I love Big Art but saying him and Eugene "spotted" Sean's talents is as laughable a comment as I've ever seen on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 04:02:59 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.

Hardly took a genius to move him out to midfield. Sean carried Tyrone over the line in 2008 All Ireland final and Harte then totally scapegoated him in his book after 2009 defeat. No gratitude or humility from Harte

Again I'll ask - did Sean move himself into full forward that year?

This management lark sounds pretty easy. You lads should put yourselves out in the club scene instead of educating us all on here. Then again most of you reckon Mattie McGleenan is a top manager so on 2nd thoughts maybe don't!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2018, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 18, 2018, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Eugene and art were the ones to spot seans talents and gave him his chance in 02. Sean Cavanagh made Harte!

2002... the year Sean scored the equalising last minute goal in Ulster Championship v Armagh for the Seniors but couldnt make Mickey's U21 squad. Also the year Mickey won the All-Ireland U21. Unwillingness to introduce Sean to the squad another sign of his stubbornness. Though the whole Glencull thing tops the lot. Principled man in his own words. Happy enough to set his principles aside to get McCarron back in the fold but gave scores of players the silent treatment during his tenure treating them like meat suits and training ground fodder.

Sean was still a minor in 2001 and turned down the chance to play u21 as far as I'm aware. But sure harte did a terrible job winning the all Ireland with the u21s in 2001.

There's a lot to be said for resolving things face to face instead of through the media. Shocking way things are becoming.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 18, 2018, 04:32:04 PM
Is Sean got a book about to arrive for Xmas,he is setting the tone for a good wee earner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 18, 2018, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2018, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 18, 2018, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Eugene and art were the ones to spot seans talents and gave him his chance in 02. Sean Cavanagh made Harte!

2002... the year Sean scored the equalising last minute goal in Ulster Championship v Armagh for the Seniors but couldnt make Mickey's U21 squad. Also the year Mickey won the All-Ireland U21. Unwillingness to introduce Sean to the squad another sign of his stubbornness. Though the whole Glencull thing tops the lot. Principled man in his own words. Happy enough to set his principles aside to get McCarron back in the fold but gave scores of players the silent treatment during his tenure treating them like meat suits and training ground fodder.

Sean was still a minor in 2001 and turned down the chance to play u21 as far as I'm aware. But sure harte did a terrible job winning the all Ireland with the u21s in 2001.

There's a lot to be said for resolving things face to face instead of through the media. Shocking way things are becoming.

Mickey is reaping what he sowed with Sean in that book. Looks like Sean bided his time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on May 18, 2018, 05:54:55 PM
Few months ago Sean telling us how great the Moy was. Then he fecks off to RTE missing a game. From the little air time I've seen he's been poor. Sadly trying to make a name for himself. RTE will soon have him sat beside Joe and he can mock him and Tyrone for a few hours I'm sure he can't believe his luck he will get the chance. Very disappointing way to go. Sad because as a player and leader he was immense. I'm sure other players have had issues with harte CB set up training etc.. etc.. but they have resisted the mud slinging. Could Joe have been right about one thing....... As a man....... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 18, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
Wonder how Colm and Mickey are getting on? Bound to be a bit awkward.........surely there is a bit of slagging going on among the players....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 18, 2018, 10:00:38 PM
It's called karma. Don't talk out of school or it could come back to bite you. Loyalty has to be a two way street.  And this  a year after Cavanagh dragged Tyrone over the line in the last 20 minutes of All Ireland final.
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-independent/20091013/284253821346552
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.
before you go accusing people or rewriting history, get your own history right. s cavanagh played in 2003 u 21 final not 2002.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 18, 2018, 10:50:16 PM
Teamtalk tweetin beggan trained in Healy park this afternoon. Did porter let him in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 18, 2018, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.
before you go accusing people or rewriting history, get your own history right. s cavanagh played in 2003 u 21 final not 2002.

Aye he was playing for Tyrone u21s in 2002 under Mickey Harte which one of your mates disputed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on May 18, 2018, 11:07:12 PM
Monaghan had a session in Healy park earlier in week
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Real Talk on May 18, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.

Hardly took a genius to move him out to midfield. Sean carried Tyrone over the line in 2008 All Ireland final and Harte then totally scapegoated him in his book after 2009 defeat. No gratitude or humility from Harte

Having had plenty opportunities to watch over this last 15 years the one thing about Sean Cavanagh is when Brian Dooher was on the team life was a lot easier.  Dooher did all the hard work and generally was instrumental in creating space and setting up good chances for Sean on a plate.  Sean relished that and delivered the big scores.  Without Dooher on the team Sean and Tyrone were less effective and just didn't perform on the big occasions.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 19, 2018, 02:41:24 AM
Quote from: Real Talk on May 18, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.

Hardly took a genius to move him out to midfield. Sean carried Tyrone over the line in 2008 All Ireland final and Harte then totally scapegoated him in his book after 2009 defeat. No gratitude or humility from Harte

Having had plenty opportunities to watch over this last 15 years the one thing about Sean Cavanagh is when Brian Dooher was on the team life was a lot easier.  Dooher did all the hard work and generally was instrumental in creating space and setting up good chances for Sean on a plate.  Sean relished that and delivered the big scores.  Without Dooher on the team Sean and Tyrone were less effective and just didn't perform on the big occasions.

We'll see how effective they are without Cavanagh. One of Tyrone's greatest ever and whether people dislike his behaviour now or not doesn't change what he did on the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 19, 2018, 05:19:05 AM
It always interests me to see how loyal Peter Canavan is to Mickey Harte. Fair play to him for his loyalty a suppose and a think it is something Harte has in his favour in Tyrone having the great one behind him. Although having heard story a few years ago about when Peter decided to call it a day at the 05 All Ireland banquet in a room full of people. Mickey apparently turned to someone at his table, someone in the circle at the time and said about Canavan  "who does that b think he is?"  That's the thanks you get Peter the great.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 19, 2018, 07:57:29 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 19, 2018, 02:41:24 AM
Quote from: Real Talk on May 18, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.

Hardly took a genius to move him out to midfield. Sean carried Tyrone over the line in 2008 All Ireland final and Harte then totally scapegoated him in his book after 2009 defeat. No gratitude or humility from Harte

Having had plenty opportunities to watch over this last 15 years the one thing about Sean Cavanagh is when Brian Dooher was on the team life was a lot easier.  Dooher did all the hard work and generally was instrumental in creating space and setting up good chances for Sean on a plate.  Sean relished that and delivered the big scores.  Without Dooher on the team Sean and Tyrone were less effective and just didn't perform on the big occasions.

We'll see how effective they are without Cavanagh. One of Tyrone's greatest ever and whether people dislike his behaviour now or not doesn't change what he did on the field.

Del I don't think anyone wouldn't acknowledge big Sean's role in Tyrone football. But you will have to admit yourself the timing stinks. I think he scored a last second goal for st pats in Mcrory final. Great goal, worth looking it up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 19, 2018, 09:06:36 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 19, 2018, 07:57:29 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 19, 2018, 02:41:24 AM
Quote from: Real Talk on May 18, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 18, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 18, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Rewriting history there lads. Sean Cavanagh played for Tyrone u21s in 2002 when they were beaten in the all Ireland by Dublin. Plus he was a corner forward under McKenna and McCrory in 2002 so who converted him to a midfielder and then full forward? Or did Sean just take it upon himself to take those jerseys? As I say you boys love rewriting history to suit your agendas.

Hardly took a genius to move him out to midfield. Sean carried Tyrone over the line in 2008 All Ireland final and Harte then totally scapegoated him in his book after 2009 defeat. No gratitude or humility from Harte

Having had plenty opportunities to watch over this last 15 years the one thing about Sean Cavanagh is when Brian Dooher was on the team life was a lot easier.  Dooher did all the hard work and generally was instrumental in creating space and setting up good chances for Sean on a plate.  Sean relished that and delivered the big scores.  Without Dooher on the team Sean and Tyrone were less effective and just didn't perform on the big occasions.

We'll see how effective they are without Cavanagh. One of Tyrone's greatest ever and whether people dislike his behaviour now or not doesn't change what he did on the field.

Del I don't think anyone wouldn't acknowledge big Sean's role in Tyrone football. But you will have to admit yourself the timing stinks. I think he scored a last second goal for st pats in Mcrory final. Great goal, worth looking it up.

Agreed though seems it's pay back time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on May 19, 2018, 03:21:10 PM
Yep if he was leading them out tomorrow and one of the past players were stirring the pot I wonder how he would feel. Think he's doing himself a great disservice and am sure the book will be no better with shite being drip fed from it before every tyrone game. Too found of the 💰
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 19, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
So Colm's out for tomorrow. Huge loss.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 19, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 19, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
So Colm's out for tomorrow. Huge loss.

Rumours doing the rounds Colm may not even be in Healy park tomorrow. "Apparently" he and MH no longer a working relationship

Rumours
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 19, 2018, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 19, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 19, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
So Colm's out for tomorrow. Huge loss.

Rumours doing the rounds Colm may not even be in Healy park tomorrow. "Apparently" he and MH no longer a working relationship

Rumours

I'm just hearing injury
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 19, 2018, 11:25:51 PM
I'd be surprised if colm doesn't start. I actually think the team named will line out. Though it depends how fit McCann is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 20, 2018, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 19, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 19, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
So Colm's out for tomorrow. Huge loss.

Rumours doing the rounds Colm may not even be in Healy park tomorrow. "Apparently" he and MH no longer a working relationship

Rumours

Why do people even listen to this nonsense?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 20, 2018, 06:33:53 PM
Soaked, sitting in traffic pissed off! Such a bad performance. Outclassed in every department. Colm Cavanagh wasn't fit and I didn't expect him to play despite being named on Thursday night. That's why I was so confident the 15 named wouldn't start (even it did).

It's obvious Harte doesn't have trust in the panel to bring boys in for the injured boys. If Mickey doesn't make the super 8s I hope his future is at least put to a vote. He's more concerned about the referendum on abortion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 20, 2018, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2018, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 19, 2018, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 19, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
So Colm's out for tomorrow. Huge loss.

Rumours doing the rounds Colm may not even be in Healy park tomorrow. "Apparently" he and MH no longer a working relationship

Rumours

Why do people even listen to this nonsense?

Costs nothing to listen. Completely non effective before pulled ashore

Surely R O'N has had enough chances by this stage. Simply doesn't cut it

Beat by a far superior team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 06:54:15 PM
i hope your not laying the blame on ronan o neill, club boi? thats what your left with after  years of mickeys crap tactics, a shell of a once talented, promising player. just like cavanagh said.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 20, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
This board should get interesting for a few days.....wrong team picked......wrong tactics.. ....wrong subs.. ...oh aye wrong management......they were in the other dugout
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 20, 2018, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: The Trap on May 20, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
This board should get interesting for a few days.....wrong team picked......wrong tactics.. ....wrong subs.. ...oh aye wrong management......they were in the other dugout

No we'll all pretend it's great.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 20, 2018, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 06:54:15 PM
i hope your not laying the blame on ronan o neill, club boi? thats what your left with after  years of mickeys crap tactics, a shell of a once talented, promising player. just like cavanagh said.

No not at all STG but should he still be there after many years of being a very small bit part player? Or should he have walked like Mc Curry and others before him. Outstanding youth baller, just never made it for Tyrone after his injury and with the current "system". Just never looks sharp or fit enough these last few years

Tyrone outclassed all over the field today
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 20, 2018, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 06:54:15 PM
i hope your not laying the blame on ronan o neill, club boi? thats what your left with after  years of mickeys crap tactics, a shell of a once talented, promising player. just like cavanagh said.

No not at all STG but should he still be there after many years of being a very small bit part player? Or should he have walked like Mc Curry and others before him. Outstanding youth baller, just never made it for Tyrone after his injury and with the current "system". Just never looks sharp or fit enough these last few years

Tyrone outclassed all over the field today
but you need to ask why RON cant do it at senior inter county? unreal minor, still a cracking club player with 2 o neill cups to his name and yet going backwards for tyrone. and its a recurring theme for a lot of tyrone lads, just not progressing under mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on May 20, 2018, 08:14:10 PM
Ronan McNamee was absolutely shite today....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 08:27:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 20, 2018, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 06:54:15 PM
i hope your not laying the blame on ronan o neill, club boi? thats what your left with after  years of mickeys crap tactics, a shell of a once talented, promising player. just like cavanagh said.

No not at all STG but should he still be there after many years of being a very small bit part player? Or should he have walked like Mc Curry and others before him. Outstanding youth baller, just never made it for Tyrone after his injury and with the current "system". Just never looks sharp or fit enough these last few years

Tyrone outclassed all over the field today
but you need to ask why RON cant do it at senior inter county? unreal minor, still a cracking club player with 2 o neill cups to his name and yet going backwards for tyrone. and its a recurring theme for a lot of tyrone lads, just not progressing under mickey.

It's a good job Tyrones golden generation had a few years under Eugene and art before micky got in and restricted their development  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 20, 2018, 08:33:00 PM
Usually harder to comment overall when you are at the game - maybe you don't see what you would watching television.

Monaghan blew Tyrone away in the last 15 minutes today though for me, is the point of this 'system' Harte goes on about not to bring games to the last 10/15 then win with superior fitness? Very, very damaging loss - and completely deserved win for Monaghan.

For a defensive team, the amount of times Vinny Corey managed to get in behind the defensive line until he eventually got the goal was very strange - and it's not as if he's blessed with blistering speed. Once the goal went in, I thought the game was done - Tyrone never looked like scoring a goal but to be fair did drag themselves back into via points to then seemingly gas out.

Probably Frank Burns was the only Tyrone player to do themselves justice today, McAliskey to be fair to him tried his best in the second half and got himself a few scores. Bar that? Special tip of the cap to Harte for destroying Ronan O'Neill today - he was shite, but no less shite than others - including Meyler who seems intent in trying to make himself some kind of low grade Paul Galvin involved in off the ball nonsense more often than on the ball.

Positives? Plenty of time to come across the correct formula as you'd expect the GAA to work that special kind of magic that keeps the bigger teams apart in qualifiers.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 20, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
and who were the 'tyrone fans' handing out NO campaign leaflets to monaghan fans? total disgrace draggin this county through the dirt again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on May 20, 2018, 09:03:24 PM
Some great scores surely....But we a boring to watch just pure shite to be honest no change to system from last year...teams body language at half time nearly told us we where a beaten team...... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on May 20, 2018, 09:06:13 PM
Simple task - name the best front six in Tyrone based on their ability to score..likewise name the best 6 defenders based nnrheir ability to defend..don't think about systems - fitness etc...jus the ability to score
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on May 20, 2018, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on May 20, 2018, 09:06:13 PM
Simple task - name the best front six in Tyrone based on their ability to score..likewise name the best 6 defenders based nnrheir ability to defend..don't think about systems - fitness etc...jus the ability to score

Would not matter who starts our system has sucked the life out of our players....imo...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 10:02:20 PM
Is it just me or does every team seem to attack down tyrone right flank where t mccann is positioned.... The man can't ta kle but only slap tackle.. Is that not where conn o callaghan scored 1-2 in opening ten minutes last year.. From what I can mind.. As far back as the hammering in killarney 6years ago Mickey harte has learnt nothing.. Analysis tyrone major defeats in AI competition.. Frank burns was poor gave away atleast four free kicks inside fifty but you come to expect that when you play forwards in the defence.. P harte was non existent.. Connor mcaliakey only man played any stuff kicked 7points gave wylie a torrid time.. Ps colly cav and hartes love child 'Fergus mccarron are finished... New blood and new manager needed.. Niall Morgan stay in your goal and never approach a 50yard kick ever again... Beggan have an exhibition
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on May 20, 2018, 10:08:19 PM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 10:02:20 PM
Is it just me or does every team seem to attack down tyrone right flank where t mccann is positioned.... The man can't ta kle but only slap tackle.. Is that not where conn o callaghan scored 1-2 in opening ten minutes last year.. From what I can mind.. As far back as the hammering in killarney 6years ago Mickey harte has learnt nothing.. Analysis tyrone major defeats in AI competition.. Frank burns was poor gave away atleast four free kicks inside fifty but you come to expect that when you play forwards in the defence.. P harte was non existent.. Connor mcaliakey only man played any stuff kicked 7points gave wylie a torrid time.. Ps colly cav and hartes love child 'Fergus mccarron are finished... New blood and new manager needed.. Niall Morgan stay in your goal and never approach a 50yard kick ever again... Beggan have an exhibition

Colm Cavanagh "done"? Quite the pronouncement to make about a man playing his first championship match since winning an All-Star in November.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 10:14:21 PM
It not hard to star in a free role where you mark no one stand in front of full back line offering no support to attack wasting no energy.. Are you a fool? Why was he hooked.. Skeet mac hasn't played in two years kicked 7points of an all star full back coming back from a cruciate..soo what does colly cav offer this team apart from a bluffing sweeping role
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 20, 2018, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 10:14:21 PM
It not hard to star in a free role where you mark no one stand in front of full back line offering no support to attack wasting no energy.. Are you a fool? Why was he hooked.. Skeet mac hasn't played in two years kicked 7points of an all star full back coming back from a cruciate..soo what does colly cav offer this team apart from a bluffing sweeping role

He was hooked because, unless you were living under a rock all week, you'd be aware that he's been carrying an injury into the game.?

Monaghan are actually a decent team. Fair play to them. We had too many lads playing at an average level today and that just wasn't going to cut it against a decent team like them. We actually started the game  brilliantly, with some great attacking play and some lovely scores. But when the pressure is applied we revert to type and don't want to kick the ball and shuffle it sideways into trouble. Our midfield was cleaned out too. It's time I think to let Declan McClure sink or swim, give him every game in the qualifiers to see if he is up to it. Conal McCann is just definitely not up to it.

On Ronan O'Neill, he was given a chance and he contributed nothing. Compare the desire, work rate and hunger between him and Skeet. His main contribution was when he picked up a pass on the 21 with his back to goal, great opportunity to swing it over, he knows where the posts are, it's his home pitch ffs, but he shuffles a fist passt over his shoulder to man with 3 blue jerseys hanging off him and a promising move breaks down. I don't know what he has to whinge about coming off, I'd have hooked him at half time...unless of course he was complaining because McCann was the replacement, which is fair enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 20, 2018, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 10:14:21 PM
It not hard to star in a free role where you mark no one stand in front of full back line offering no support to attack wasting no energy.. Are you a fool? Why was he hooked.. Skeet mac hasn't played in two years kicked 7points of an all star full back coming back from a cruciate..soo what does colly cav offer this team apart from a bluffing sweeping role

He was hooked because, unless you were living under a rock all week, you'd be aware that he's been carrying an injury into the game.?

Monaghan are actually a decent team. Fair play to them. We had too many lads playing at an average level today and that just wasn't going to cut it against a decent team like them. We actually started the game  brilliantly, with some great attacking play and some lovely scores. But when the pressure is applied we revert to type and don't want to kick the ball and shuffle it sideways into trouble. Our midfield was cleaned out too. It's time I think to let Declan McClure sink or swim, give him every game in the qualifiers to see if he is up to it. Conal McCann is just definitely not up to it.

On Ronan O'Neill, he was given a chance and he contributed nothing. Compare the desire, work rate and hunger between him and Skeet. His main contribution was when he picked up a pass on the 21 with his back to goal, great opportunity to swing it over, he knows where the posts are, it's his home pitch ffs, but he shuffles a fist passt over his shoulder to man with 3 blue jerseys hanging off him and a promising move breaks down. I don't know what he has to whinge about coming off, I'd have hooked him at half time...unless of course he was complaining because McCann was the replacement, which is fair enough.

So if he wasn't fit to start after not having kicked a ball since moys all ireland exertions from last year why was he on the field of play.. If he doesn't trust mcclure paudie mcnulty or so so... Why are they on the panel so.. Your that far up hates hole benny your talking out of his mouth
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on May 20, 2018, 10:58:20 PM
out of all the counties tyrone monaghan galway and mayo ended up with a shit draw, div1 vs div1 high probability of going out, dublin, kerry et al have div 2/3 cake walks to get them up and running. we have a decent team that can compete and will go to quarters and possible a semi but not enough class, end of, jim galvin or eamonn fotzmaurice would be getting the same results.

monaghan did the obvious shut donnelly harte and sludden down and hope for the best (mcmanus) who is as good a forward that i have seen, has everything, different class.

the questions i would ask is around the so called preparation and 'professionalism' specially round cavanagh, coming off a really long season, and a history of niggles and age, fcuked into tyrone matches and training and gets hurt, then rushed back to play, what is the panel for and 4 nights a week training, doing when there is no other replacement or plan B. i would love to see the appearances or minutes played by all of the panel in the last 3years i would say after 19 there would be a big divide.

on o'neill when it's your 2nd or 3rd time subed in and out player and management needs to realise this isn't happening and do your club a favour and go back and give them the time, play and win more and he is not the only one, there's a few players that have been never done injured or it hasn't worked out for them, shit happens go back to the club start enjoying your football and forget about the gear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 20, 2018, 11:29:00 PM
Cavanagh is definitely not done!! Worst statement I've seen on here in a long time. He 'bluffs' (as you put it) in round the full back line because that's the role he is given. He could be as easily thrust into the full forward line and asked to play as a target man that he was as a minor when he won an all Ireland. If he was unleashed and allowed to carry the fight he would be a different animal.

That wouldn't work because Harte needs a sweeper as part of his system and there is no finer sweeper in Ireland. There is no trust in the panel for others to step up and Colm Cavanagh hasn't kicked a ball for his club and didn't feature in the latter league games.

McNulty and McClure surely have to be questioning their role in the setup. 

I thought McShane was very poor today. Mickey has a panel of 35ish? Are there any of the other 9 outside of the 26 named today going to be knocking the door down for a chance next day out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 11:50:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 20, 2018, 11:29:00 PM
Cavanagh is definitely not done!! Worst statement I've seen on here in a long time. He 'bluffs' (as you put it) in round the full back line because that's the role he is given. He could be as easily thrust into the full forward line and asked to play as a target man that he was as a minor when he won an all Ireland. If he was unleashed and allowed to carry the fight he would be a different animal.

That wouldn't work because Harte needs a sweeper as part of his system and there is no finer sweeper in Ireland. There is no trust in the panel for others to step up and Colm Cavanagh hasn't kicked a ball for his club and didn't feature in the latter league games.

McNulty and McClure surely have to be questioning their role in the setup. 

I thought McShane was very poor today. Mickey has a panel of 35ish? Are there any of the other 9 outside of the 26 named today going to be knocking the door down for a chance next day out?

Sure why not play Kyle coney ronie o Neill and Darren mccurry as sweepers too then sure they played starring roles for there minors in all ireland wins. Living in the past. I beg to differ on finer sweepers in ireland when you play a defensive system... Colly cav wouldn't lace cian o sullivans boots.. You think for one second cavanagh would make Dublin /kerry team.. I think not. Surely Richie donnelly has to be given a chance... Breed the new blood... Mick mckernan was standout... Ciaran mcloughlin worth a shout too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 12:18:28 AM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 11:50:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 20, 2018, 11:29:00 PM
Cavanagh is definitely not done!! Worst statement I've seen on here in a long time. He 'bluffs' (as you put it) in round the full back line because that's the role he is given. He could be as easily thrust into the full forward line and asked to play as a target man that he was as a minor when he won an all Ireland. If he was unleashed and allowed to carry the fight he would be a different animal.

That wouldn't work because Harte needs a sweeper as part of his system and there is no finer sweeper in Ireland. There is no trust in the panel for others to step up and Colm Cavanagh hasn't kicked a ball for his club and didn't feature in the latter league games.

McNulty and McClure surely have to be questioning their role in the setup. 

I thought McShane was very poor today. Mickey has a panel of 35ish? Are there any of the other 9 outside of the 26 named today going to be knocking the door down for a chance next day out?

Sure why not play Kyle coney ronie o Neill and Darren mccurry as sweepers too then sure they played starring roles for there minors in all ireland wins. Living in the past. I beg to differ on finer sweepers in ireland when you play a defensive system... Colly cav wouldn't lace cian o sullivans boots.. You think for one second cavanagh would make Dublin /kerry team.. I think not. Surely Richie donnelly has to be given a chance... Breed the new blood... Mick mckernan was standout... Ciaran mcloughlin worth a shout too

Go to bed, you've got school in the morning... my point was Cavanagh can play any role he is asked to play. A current all star and at least 2 out of the last 3 years Tyrone County player of the year. I do think that Cavanagh would play on them county sides when fully fit but that's an opinion and hypothetical situation.

All isn't right with Tyrone, forgetting the performance we seen O'Neill's reaction when subbed showed discontent and anger towards Harte something we haven't seen from anyone aimed at Harte publicly. Sean Cavanagh has been very critical since leaving the panel, I'd imagine Colm's thought process would be similar. Petey Harte showed frustration punching out. He actually hit out of the ball in the play prior that went un-noticed.

I still expect to make the super 8's but the cracks are appearing. I'm nearly expecting to see a few players leave the panel within the next fortnight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: our_fella on May 21, 2018, 07:17:39 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 12:18:28 AM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 11:50:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 20, 2018, 11:29:00 PM
Cavanagh is definitely not done!! Worst statement I've seen on here in a long time. He 'bluffs' (as you put it) in round the full back line because that's the role he is given. He could be as easily thrust into the full forward line and asked to play as a target man that he was as a minor when he won an all Ireland. If he was unleashed and allowed to carry the fight he would be a different animal.

That wouldn't work because Harte needs a sweeper as part of his system and there is no finer sweeper in Ireland. There is no trust in the panel for others to step up and Colm Cavanagh hasn't kicked a ball for his club and didn't feature in the latter league games.

McNulty and McClure surely have to be questioning their role in the setup. 

I thought McShane was very poor today. Mickey has a panel of 35ish? Are there any of the other 9 outside of the 26 named today going to be knocking the door down for a chance next day out?

Sure why not play Kyle coney ronie o Neill and Darren mccurry as sweepers too then sure they played starring roles for there minors in all ireland wins. Living in the past. I beg to differ on finer sweepers in ireland when you play a defensive system... Colly cav wouldn't lace cian o sullivans boots.. You think for one second cavanagh would make Dublin /kerry team.. I think not. Surely Richie donnelly has to be given a chance... Breed the new blood... Mick mckernan was standout... Ciaran mcloughlin worth a shout too

Go to bed, you've got school in the morning... my point was Cavanagh can play any role he is asked to play. A current all star and at least 2 out of the last 3 years Tyrone County player of the year. I do think that Cavanagh would play on them county sides when fully fit but that's an opinion and hypothetical situation.

All isn't right with Tyrone, forgetting the performance we seen O'Neill's reaction when subbed showed discontent and anger towards Harte something we haven't seen from anyone aimed at Harte publicly. Sean Cavanagh has been very critical since leaving the panel, I'd imagine Colm's thought process would be similar. Petey Harte showed frustration punching out. He actually hit out of the ball in the play prior that went un-noticed.

I still expect to make the super 8's but the cracks are appearing. I'm nearly expecting to see a few players leave the panel within the next fortnight.

What happened when oneill came off?? Missed it on TV
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on May 21, 2018, 07:46:59 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on May 20, 2018, 08:14:10 PM
Ronan McNamee was absolutely shite today....

You serious, He didnt give McManus a kick of it for 65 minutes!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on May 21, 2018, 08:11:51 AM
Got the feeling Harte didn't want to put RON on.. Mark Bradley was limping, he had got attention twice, at the end he basically took himself off. Nobody was warming up. Tyrone were winning at that stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on May 21, 2018, 08:22:49 AM
Friday's Irish News - Mickey Harte - "The Cream always rises to the top"
I have news for you Mickey - A turd always floats to the top too.
Now, pack our bags!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:44:19 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on May 21, 2018, 08:22:49 AM
Friday's Irish News - Mickey Harte - "The Cream always rises to the top"
I have news for you Mickey - A turd always floats to the top too.
Now, pack our bags!

Hi Ronan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on May 21, 2018, 08:48:22 AM
 
Quote from: Under Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:44:19 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on May 21, 2018, 08:22:49 AM
Friday's Irish News - Mickey Harte - "The Cream always rises to the top"
I have news for you Mickey - A turd always floats to the top too.
Now, pack our bags!

Hi Ronan.

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif) 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
The interview is a bit of craic ans shows some personality to the players.

Of more concern is how much the players actually want to win. Where is the will? There were no leaders to drag us over the line. MH doesnt seem to have instilled any steel in them.

His tactics are questionable and his man management even moreso.

I have always defended MH but yesterday leaves me questioning his tenure for the first time ever
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
The interview is a bit of craic ans shows some personality to the players.

Of more concern is how much the players actually want to win. Where is the will? There were no leaders to drag us over the line. MH doesnt seem to have instilled any steel in them.

His tactics are questionable and his man management even moreso.

I have always defended MH but yesterday leaves me questioning his tenure for the first time ever

Where is the will to win from the players??  Thats very harsh.  I think people aren't giving Monaghan enough credit here either.  Looking at some of the posts on here, Tyrone supporters are almost like Manchester United fans in thinking that their team should be swatting every opposition aside playing entertaining, swashbuckling football.  Monaghan are a very very decent team and as yesterday showed, they have a strong panel with subs having a big impact on the game.  O'Rourke is a top top manager as well as how he has developed Monaghan since he took them over is one of the most impressive transitions in modern day football. 

Tyrone kicked 1-16 yesterday.  One goal and sixteen points, its right kicking in 70 minutes yet people here think we are too negative (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)

Monaghan where the better team on the day, it was a game between 2 teams currently amongst the top 5 teams in Ireland.  They could play again this weekend and Tyrone could beat them, there is very little between the two teams.   

The hysteria on here when Tyrone lose a game is Manchester Unitedesq as I have said.

Tyrone will still get to super 8's, there arent too many counties outside the top 4 or 5 teams who will / can beat them.  Put your pads back on lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
The interview is a bit of craic ans shows some personality to the players.

Of more concern is how much the players actually want to win. Where is the will? There were no leaders to drag us over the line. MH doesnt seem to have instilled any steel in them.

His tactics are questionable and his man management even moreso.

I have always defended MH but yesterday leaves me questioning his tenure for the first time ever

Where is the will to win from the players??  Thats very harsh.  I think people aren't giving Monaghan enough credit here either.  Looking at some of the posts on here, Tyrone supporters are almost like Manchester United fans in thinking that their team should be swatting every opposition aside playing entertaining, swashbuckling football.  Monaghan are a very very decent team and as yesterday showed, they have a strong panel with subs having a big impact on the game.  O'Rourke is a top top manager as well as how he has developed Monaghan since he took them over is one of the most impressive transitions in modern day football. 

Tyrone kicked 1-16 yesterday.  One goal and sixteen points, its right kicking in 70 minutes yet people here think we are too negative (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)

Monaghan where the better team on the day, it was a game between 2 teams currently amongst the top 5 teams in Ireland.  They could play again this weekend and Tyrone could beat them, there is very little between the two teams.   

The hysteria on here when Tyrone lose a game is Manchester Unitedesq as I have said.

Tyrone will still get to super 8's, there arent too many counties outside the top 4 or 5 teams who will / can beat them.  Put your pads back on lads.

Will to win is key in games against top opposition and can normally be the difference between winning and losing.

MH has always instilled this in his team as per evidence down the years.

Yesterday it simply wasnt there.

A player openly questioning his decision making.

Starting players who were clearly injured. How would this help him make the players believe in something.

Something just isnt right and for you to reckon its just hysteria and like Utd fans is just lazy and actually burying your head in the sand
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
The interview is a bit of craic ans shows some personality to the players.

Of more concern is how much the players actually want to win. Where is the will? There were no leaders to drag us over the line. MH doesnt seem to have instilled any steel in them.

His tactics are questionable and his man management even moreso.

I have always defended MH but yesterday leaves me questioning his tenure for the first time ever

Where is the will to win from the players??  Thats very harsh.  I think people aren't giving Monaghan enough credit here either.  Looking at some of the posts on here, Tyrone supporters are almost like Manchester United fans in thinking that their team should be swatting every opposition aside playing entertaining, swashbuckling football.  Monaghan are a very very decent team and as yesterday showed, they have a strong panel with subs having a big impact on the game.  O'Rourke is a top top manager as well as how he has developed Monaghan since he took them over is one of the most impressive transitions in modern day football. 

Tyrone kicked 1-16 yesterday.  One goal and sixteen points, its right kicking in 70 minutes yet people here think we are too negative (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)

Monaghan where the better team on the day, it was a game between 2 teams currently amongst the top 5 teams in Ireland.  They could play again this weekend and Tyrone could beat them, there is very little between the two teams.   

The hysteria on here when Tyrone lose a game is Manchester Unitedesq as I have said.

Tyrone will still get to super 8's, there arent too many counties outside the top 4 or 5 teams who will / can beat them.  Put your pads back on lads.

Will to win is key in games against top opposition and can normally be the difference between winning and losing.

MH has always instilled this in his team as per evidence down the years.

Yesterday it simply wasnt there.

A player openly questioning his decision making.

Starting players who were clearly injured. How would this help him make the players believe in something.

Something just isnt right and for you to reckon its just hysteria and like Utd fans is just lazy and actually burying your head in the sand

On this point, said player can teardrop all he like he front of the crowd to Mickey Harte, fact is that he was put into the game and offered NOTHING for 40 minutes. 
Got his chance, didn't take it.  Suppose thats Harte's fault is it?   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
The interview is a bit of craic ans shows some personality to the players.

Of more concern is how much the players actually want to win. Where is the will? There were no leaders to drag us over the line. MH doesnt seem to have instilled any steel in them.

His tactics are questionable and his man management even moreso.

I have always defended MH but yesterday leaves me questioning his tenure for the first time ever

Where is the will to win from the players??  Thats very harsh.  I think people aren't giving Monaghan enough credit here either.  Looking at some of the posts on here, Tyrone supporters are almost like Manchester United fans in thinking that their team should be swatting every opposition aside playing entertaining, swashbuckling football.  Monaghan are a very very decent team and as yesterday showed, they have a strong panel with subs having a big impact on the game.  O'Rourke is a top top manager as well as how he has developed Monaghan since he took them over is one of the most impressive transitions in modern day football. 

Tyrone kicked 1-16 yesterday.  One goal and sixteen points, its right kicking in 70 minutes yet people here think we are too negative (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)

Monaghan where the better team on the day, it was a game between 2 teams currently amongst the top 5 teams in Ireland.  They could play again this weekend and Tyrone could beat them, there is very little between the two teams.   

The hysteria on here when Tyrone lose a game is Manchester Unitedesq as I have said.

Tyrone will still get to super 8's, there arent too many counties outside the top 4 or 5 teams who will / can beat them.  Put your pads back on lads.

Will to win is key in games against top opposition and can normally be the difference between winning and losing.

MH has always instilled this in his team as per evidence down the years.

Yesterday it simply wasnt there.

A player openly questioning his decision making.

Starting players who were clearly injured. How would this help him make the players believe in something.

Something just isnt right and for you to reckon its just hysteria and like Utd fans is just lazy and actually burying your head in the sand

On this point, said player can teardrop all he like he front of the crowd to Mickey Harte, fact is that he was put into the game and offered NOTHING for 40 minutes. 
Got his chance, didn't take it.  Suppose thats Harte's fault is it?

Easy option and easy scapegoat to blame.

Problems were further out the field. Why werent these addressed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

No no you're wrong, I have this on good authority. Club delegates were asked the question about renewing Harte and he overwhelmingly won that vote with only 4 clubs suggesting to seek a new manager. That ended the clubs role in the discussion. You then have the likes of Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy stepping in with their own agenda and got the backing from other DELEGATES (not clubs) to give him 3 years or as and when he decides to call it a day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

No no you're wrong, I have this on good authority. Club delegates were asked the question about renewing Harte and he overwhelmingly won that vote with only 4 clubs suggesting to seek a new manager. That ended the clubs role in the discussion. You then have the likes of Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy stepping in with their own agenda and got the backing from other DELEGATES (not clubs) to give him 3 years or as and when he decides to call it a day.

Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy have done brilliant things for Tyrone football this past number of years so thats highly offensive to say they have their own agendas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on May 21, 2018, 10:17:45 AM
In one of Mickeys books he writes of his frustration in his playing days that when things were going wrong out the field the manager would hook a corner forward (him). And there he goes and does the exact same yesterday but to a lad he brought on as a sub. Tiernan McCann is not a top class wing back either, defending or attacking, GAA anthlete aye, footballer no.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 21, 2018, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him? The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

No no you're wrong, I have this on good authority. Club delegates were asked the question about renewing Harte and he overwhelmingly won that vote with only 4 clubs suggesting to seek a new manager. That ended the clubs role in the discussion. You then have the likes of Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy stepping in with their own agenda and got the backing from other DELEGATES (not clubs) to give him 3 years or as and when he decides to call it a day.

Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy have done brilliant things for Tyrone football this past number of years so thats highly offensive to say they have their own agendas.

That's a good question and one I don't have an answer to. But it's 10 years since we won an AI and a lot of good players have come and gone. Maybe it's time we had the conversation around succession.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

I'm going to assume you have seen Kyle more than me this year but from what I have seen I couldn't disagree more.  The lad has absolutely no work rate, give him the ball he is accurate and can kick a score but he will give you nothing else, his attitude is sulky if things are going badly he isn't one that will step forward looking to bring the fight.  Skeet yesterday was excellent he put in a real shift, Coney isn't capable of doing that.  Shay McGuigan is a different story, there's a footballer with something to offer but I don't think he would entertain a county call up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on May 21, 2018, 11:23:24 AM
Monaghan by far better team yesterday. Tyrone seemed lost on kickouts, both our own and monaghans kickouts. Monaghan looked better drilled and knew what they were at. Much credit to Malachy O'Rourke. Can only name skeet as a player who played well for tyrone.

Back door isn't the end of the world. More games could build momentum and get game time for other players on the panel. Would like to see Hugh pat and Mckernan starting. Mattie and harte very quiet. For supposedly the teams 2 biggest leaders they need to step up on the big days. The team need to stand up for harte and the attention he gets on the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on May 21, 2018, 11:31:32 AM

Apparently Hart had the groundsmen cut the grass extra short around the 45s to make it more difficult for beggan kickin long range frees. That went well.

Its irrelevant who takes over from Hart. The next boy in will no doubt crash and burn but sweet jebus do we just drag on forever?  I had tickets, can nearly see the pitch from the front door but could not be arsed going to watch it.  Glad I didn't. As for super 8s, lets see what happens in the draw. When is it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on May 21, 2018, 11:33:09 AM
I'm confused. What has Petesy Kennedy done for Tyrone football in last 10 years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 21, 2018, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: SuperHo on May 21, 2018, 11:31:32 AM

Apparently Hart had the groundsmen cut the grass extra short around the 45s to make it more difficult for beggan kickin long range frees. That went well.

Its irrelevant who takes over from Hart. The next boy in will no doubt crash and burn but sweet jebus do we just drag on forever?  I had tickets, can nearly see the pitch from the front door but could not be arsed going to watch it.  Glad I didn't. As for super 8s, lets see what happens in the draw. When is it?

You're a strange one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: SuperHo on May 21, 2018, 11:31:32 AM

Apparently Hart had the groundsmen cut the grass extra short around the 45s to make it more difficult for beggan kickin long range frees. That went well.

Its irrelevant who takes over from Hart. The next boy in will no doubt crash and burn but sweet jebus do we just drag on forever?  I had tickets, can nearly see the pitch from the front door but could not be arsed going to watch it.  Glad I didn't. As for super 8s, lets see what happens in the draw. When is it?

Does it really matter, you wouldn't be much of a supporter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 11:40:50 AM
Haven't read anything above at all yet.
Did any of ye notice how the Monaghan young lads at half time just seemed to steam roll our smaller lads.
Their No 5 was like a monster truck just pushing players out of his way to barge through

I hope that's not a sign of things to come.

Can't help but wonder is there an element of posing and posturing by the Tyrone panel that they think they're flash Harry's that they've made it to the first team now and they don't have to work hard and put in the effort.
I felt yesterday AGAIN there was a HUGE lack of go to players who were highly motivated to lift the others

When RoN came on for Sparky I was worried right away. Our lack of subs on the bench is enough to get me worried that Mickey is putting far too much effort on stopping the other teams and not enough on our own attack play. He seems a man under pressure though his antics off the pitch isn't helping his cause either I feel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bendyerback on May 21, 2018, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

I'm going to assume you have seen Kyle more than me this year but from what I have seen I couldn't disagree more.  The lad has absolutely no work rate, give him the ball he is accurate and can kick a score but he will give you nothing else, his attitude is sulky if things are going badly he isn't one that will step forward looking to bring the fight.  Skeet yesterday was excellent he put in a real shift, Coney isn't capable of doing that.  Shay McGuigan is a different story, there's a footballer with something to offer but I don't think he would entertain a county call up.

I wouldn't have either about the place, I've seen Kyle's use of wing mirrors and if your anticipating a slap from the opposition you may forget about it. As for the other, full of football, but he wouldn't be the best of role models.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 12:08:00 PM
Quote from: Bendyerback on May 21, 2018, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

I'm going to assume you have seen Kyle more than me this year but from what I have seen I couldn't disagree more.  The lad has absolutely no work rate, give him the ball he is accurate and can kick a score but he will give you nothing else, his attitude is sulky if things are going badly he isn't one that will step forward looking to bring the fight.  Skeet yesterday was excellent he put in a real shift, Coney isn't capable of doing that.  Shay McGuigan is a different story, there's a footballer with something to offer but I don't think he would entertain a county call up.

I wouldn't have either about the place, I've seen Kyle's use of wing mirrors and if your anticipating a slap from the opposition you may forget about it. As for the other, full of football, but he wouldn't be the best of role models.

Both would be good impact players but very doubtful they would be happy training flat out to sit on the bench until needed.

We badly need a few leaders on the pitch
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 21, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
We won the toss and strangely played with the wind rather than against it, stifle the life out of them and slow the game down rather than sit back with it. The two throw ins summed it up. Colly doesn't contest the first one then McClure needs to take a six step run at the second half one, added to the fact the ref throws it up 3 yards and way over to the Monaghan side.
Other teams have figured out how to beat our game plan by simply not kicking it down the middle and attacking down the wings. It's not good enough to concede kickouts and not tackle until they reach inside our 45. All day Monaghan came at us in 3 and 4s were as we had nobody coming off the shoulder. Orourke knew that if u stop Donnelly, sludden and harte you 3/4 the way there.
Will be interesting to see if Harte makes changes and what the tactics will be. Ive a feelings he will do neither. If we are honest there a few that could be let go on now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on May 21, 2018, 12:18:06 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 21, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
We won the toss and strangely played with the wind rather than against it, stifle the life out of them and slow the game down rather than sit back with it. The two throw ins summed it up. Colly doesn't contest the first one then McClure needs to take a six step run at the second half one, added to the fact the ref throws it up 3 yards and way over to the Monaghan side.
Other teams have figured out how to beat our game plan by simply not kicking it down the middle and attacking down the wings. It's not good enough to concede kickouts and not tackle until they reach inside our 45. All day Monaghan came at us in 3 and 4s were as we had nobody coming off the shoulder. Orourke knew that if u stop Donnelly, sludden and harte you 3/4 the way there.
Will be interesting to see if Harte makes changes and what the tactics will be. Ive a feelings he will do neither. If we are honest there a few that could be let go on now

This is spot on! Monaghan used the exact same tactic that Dublin used last year, using the wide areas of the pitch to attack then coming inside when our defence was stretched.Can Harte come up with something to negate this tactic? I don't think so on current showing. Sticking Colm Cavanagh back as a sweeper just doesn't cut it anymore, teams have worked out how to get around it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

No no you're wrong, I have this on good authority. Club delegates were asked the question about renewing Harte and he overwhelmingly won that vote with only 4 clubs suggesting to seek a new manager. That ended the clubs role in the discussion. You then have the likes of Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy stepping in with their own agenda and got the backing from other DELEGATES (not clubs) to give him 3 years or as and when he decides to call it a day.

You would need to do better investigation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 21, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
Very hard to counteract it other than to foul there players off the ball way out the field. Same as Dessie Maine did to Harte all day. Pulled and dragged him anytime he could off the play. I just don't think that we have that level of aggression. Mind you there is a few on the bench who have. H.p for one. Surely Rory Brennan should have lined up to man mark O'Connell who was man of the match for me. Did he not do a number on mchugh before.
Fuzz is right. I didn't see the half time incident but f**k me imangine that happening with Gormley or ricey or Jordan on the team. They would have been down the tunnel after them 
That s why I'm calling for a few to be let go. You might get by with having one or the other but if you don't have skill or aggression you are wasting your time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 21, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
Very hard to counteract it other than to foul there players off the ball way out the field. Same as Dessie Maine did to Harte all day. Pulled and dragged him anytime he could off the play. I just don't think that we have that level of aggression. Mind you there is a few on the bench who have. H.p for one. Surely Rory Brennan should have lined up to man mark O'Connell who was man of the match for me. Did he not do a number on mchugh before.
Fuzz is right. I didn't see the half time incident but f**k me imangine that happening with Gormley or ricey or Jordan on the team. They would have been down the tunnel after them 
That s why I'm calling for a few to be let go. You might get by with having one or the other but if you don't have skill or aggression you are wasting your time

?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: Bendyerback on May 21, 2018, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

I'm going to assume you have seen Kyle more than me this year but from what I have seen I couldn't disagree more.  The lad has absolutely no work rate, give him the ball he is accurate and can kick a score but he will give you nothing else, his attitude is sulky if things are going badly he isn't one that will step forward looking to bring the fight.  Skeet yesterday was excellent he put in a real shift, Coney isn't capable of doing that.  Shay McGuigan is a different story, there's a footballer with something to offer but I don't think he would entertain a county call up.

I wouldn't have either about the place, I've seen Kyle's use of wing mirrors and if your anticipating a slap from the opposition you may forget about it. As for the other, full of football, but he wouldn't be the best of role models.

Kyle Coney has been real good for Ardboe all year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 21, 2018, 12:57:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 21, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
Very hard to counteract it other than to foul there players off the ball way out the field. Same as Dessie Maine did to Harte all day. Pulled and dragged him anytime he could off the play. I just don't think that we have that level of aggression. Mind you there is a few on the bench who have. H.p for one. Surely Rory Brennan should have lined up to man mark O'Connell who was man of the match for me. Did he not do a number on mchugh before.
Fuzz is right. I didn't see the half time incident but f**k me imangine that happening with Gormley or ricey or Jordan on the team. They would have been down the tunnel after them 
That s why I'm calling for a few to be let go. You might get by with having one or the other but if you don't have skill or aggression you are wasting your time

Ah here stop would ye. Fuzz is talking about the primary school kids game at half time. I know Ricey was aggressive but hopefully he wouldn't be chasing 11 year olds down the tunnel
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 21, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Lmfao not for the first time I haven't read a post right. Still I think everyone would say the level of aggression is just not there unfortunately
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 21, 2018, 01:21:10 PM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on May 20, 2018, 11:50:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 20, 2018, 11:29:00 PM
Cavanagh is definitely not done!! Worst statement I've seen on here in a long time. He 'bluffs' (as you put it) in round the full back line because that's the role he is given. He could be as easily thrust into the full forward line and asked to play as a target man that he was as a minor when he won an all Ireland. If he was unleashed and allowed to carry the fight he would be a different animal.

That wouldn't work because Harte needs a sweeper as part of his system and there is no finer sweeper in Ireland. There is no trust in the panel for others to step up and Colm Cavanagh hasn't kicked a ball for his club and didn't feature in the latter league games.

McNulty and McClure surely have to be questioning their role in the setup. 

I thought McShane was very poor today. Mickey has a panel of 35ish? Are there any of the other 9 outside of the 26 named today going to be knocking the door down for a chance next day out?

Sure why not play Kyle coney ronie o Neill and Darren mccurry as sweepers too then sure they played starring roles for there minors in all ireland wins. Living in the past. I beg to differ on finer sweepers in ireland when you play a defensive system... Colly cav wouldn't lace cian o sullivans boots.. You think for one second cavanagh would make Dublin /kerry team.. I think not. Surely Richie donnelly has to be given a chance... Breed the new blood... Mick mckernan was standout... Ciaran mcloughlin worth a shout too

He just won an all star and plays for Ireland, but he wouldn't make the Dublin or Kerry team?? The nonsense on this forum gets worse every day. I hope to god the players don't read the drivel from fools like you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Delegater on May 21, 2018, 01:30:07 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

No no you're wrong, I have this on good authority. Club delegates were asked the question about renewing Harte and he overwhelmingly won that vote with only 4 clubs suggesting to seek a new manager. That ended the clubs role in the discussion. You then have the likes of Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy stepping in with their own agenda and got the backing from other DELEGATES (not clubs) to give him 3 years or as and when he decides to call it a day.

That's quite the insight. Is this information readily available or do you have to be a county delegate to know this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Delegater on May 21, 2018, 01:30:07 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
Quote from: TROUSERS on May 21, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 21, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
Harte has lost the team by the looks of it. Even setting aside RO'N's strop, Tyrone conceded 1-18 with their 'defensive system' - that's shocking. It looks like the players are simply doing their own thing. Also while Monaghan were very good, the fact Tyrone constantly gave away scoreable frees for Beggan to stroke over, just showed a complete lack of discipline.
Niall Morgan had another poor day at the office. MF didn't help him to be fair, but coming up to kick that free really put the tin hat on things.
Outside of Skeet very few won their own personal battles. 2nd best all round I'm afraid and if the draw is unkind it'll be a short summer.

I hate to say Harte out, as that's just lazy and Monaghan were a serious animal yesterday but perhaps he has taken this group as far as he can?

OK but who is good enough to replace him?  The only person I can see is O'Rourke.  He is currently the best manager in Ireland but currently tied up with you, the team that beat Tyrone yesterday. 

Is there anyone in Tyrone who can manage this team better than Harte?  I see a lot of Harte out campaigners but I see nobody offering a viable alternative...........maybe because there isn't one?

That discussion needs to take place, the unfortunate thing is when Mickey requested a 2 year extended stay as county manager the balloons in Garvaghy give him 3. I'm led to believe that this is reviewed and can still be ended if the support is there to do so. I'd like to see a county representative to bring this to the table, put it out to the clubs. Not now but as soon as we exit the championship.

I believe he has lost the dressing room, I don't think he's had it for a few years, perhaps Sean Cavanagh's book may tell more but him as Mickey's captain to think so lowly of the enforced tactics can only make you think there are major issues.

Clubs put Harte in for three years.

Kyle Coney should still be on the squad on Club form.

No no you're wrong, I have this on good authority. Club delegates were asked the question about renewing Harte and he overwhelmingly won that vote with only 4 clubs suggesting to seek a new manager. That ended the clubs role in the discussion. You then have the likes of Mickey Harvey and Petesy Kennedy stepping in with their own agenda and got the backing from other DELEGATES (not clubs) to give him 3 years or as and when he decides to call it a day.

That's quite the insight. Is this information readily available or do you have to be a county delegate to know this?

Tyrone committee meeting minutes are very accessible and the county rep would/should update their clubs of the happenings up there so its not secretive.  Our delegate would forward the minutes to anyone interested.  I do owe an apology to Mickey Harvey on checking the minutes.  The 3 Year term was a proposal by Petesy Kennedy seconded by C Corr.  Supported by 36 other delegates where 18 delegates supported a 2 year term.

Only 4 delegates supported a termination of term.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on May 21, 2018, 11:23:24 AM
Mattie and harte very quiet. For supposedly the teams 2 biggest leaders they need to step up on the big days. The team need to stand up for harte and the attention he gets on the field.

Couldn't agree more.
People said to me that leaders dont have to be shouting and talking to others but can show leadership in other ways.
I wonder how?

Yes Petey takes a lot of abuse and you don't see Matty or anyone else standing up for him or even "landing awkwardly on top of somebody"

Did ye see Walshe come over and shoulder and push someone as if he owned Healy park, yet our lads are almost scared to do anything like that in case they get a yellow card and a curly finger.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on May 21, 2018, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 21, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
Very hard to counteract it other than to foul there players off the ball way out the field. Same as Dessie Maine did to Harte all day. Pulled and dragged him anytime he could off the play. I just don't think that we have that level of aggression. Mind you there is a few on the bench who have. H.p for one. Surely Rory Brennan should have lined up to man mark O'Connell who was man of the match for me. Did he not do a number on mchugh before.
Fuzz is right. I didn't see the half time incident but f**k me imangine that happening with Gormley or ricey or Jordan on the team. They would have been down the tunnel after them 
That s why I'm calling for a few to be let go. You might get by with having one or the other but if you don't have skill or aggression you are wasting your time

LMAO  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 21, 2018, 02:38:59 PM
We got our answer as to how much Tyrone will miss Sean Cavanagh. Huge loss
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 21, 2018, 02:38:59 PM
We got our answer as to how much Tyrone will miss Sean Cavanagh. Huge loss

Don't think MH will be picking up the phone at any stage asking him to reconsider his retirement lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on May 21, 2018, 03:07:03 PM
Not sure Sean is the answer. However, Tyrone County Board should be bending over backwards to try and entice O'Rourke and Porter to com on board next year! New ideas, bit of forward thinking, organisation - might just do the trick to get a relatively talented group of players playing to their potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 03:07:44 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 21, 2018, 02:38:59 PM
We got our answer as to how much Tyrone will miss Sean Cavanagh. Huge loss

Don't think MH will be picking up the phone at any stage asking him to reconsider his retirement lol.

;D

That ship has sailed given some of Seans comments.

The book will be interesting if its warts and all
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 21, 2018, 03:08:35 PM
Extremely disappointed with that showing yesterday! We went ahead and didn't have the balls to go at them. If we are set up that way we need to take our chances when we get ahead and run the risk a bit more. Wee were so conservative we allowed them to creep back into the game.

We finished with one out and out forward on the page, that is a joke. the whole thing and all the baggage from the moaners has just made the entire thing go stale! Hartes interview after really angered me when I seen it this morning. The man has lost it!

But who would come in and take over? I can't think of nayone who would take the job after him, maybe canavan if he got the blessing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 03:11:04 PM
I always look for a silver lining and whilst I didn't see wan yesterday I can see one now.

We are NOT gonna win Sam anyway and I think 32 other counties can say that too so what I want is a nice long summer of Sat night games around the country every Sat night with pints and banter and actually playing some proper open football against NON Ulster teams and not just more recycling and the only kick passes you see is when your corner forward kicks it back 30 yards to a free man in midfield. Sad what our great game has become.

I told an old Monaghan man to stand up at half time to watch the entertaining kids game at half time cos we were all grumbling about the first half muck. A few times I called out "Look for it umpire"

Yes a wee run in the Sat night back door route would be great where Mickey will play the younger lads like McKernan and HP and where Lee Brennan will get a lot more time and space to express himself and not be scared to lose possession by trying something special.
Unlike what Mickey thinks, I do want to be entertained and not just get to an AI final winning ugly all the time. No thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 03:56:30 PM
Fuzzman, we haven't even got to an all Ireland final in 10 yrs playin ugly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2018, 03:11:04 PM
I always look for a silver lining and whilst I didn't see wan yesterday I can see one now.

We are NOT gonna win Sam anyway and I think 32 other counties can say that too so what I want is a nice long summer of Sat night games around the country every Sat night with pints and banter and actually playing some proper open football against NON Ulster teams and not just more recycling and the only kick passes you see is when your corner forward kicks it back 30 yards to a free man in midfield. Sad what our great game has become.

I told an old Monaghan man to stand up at half time to watch the entertaining kids game at half time cos we were all grumbling about the first half muck. A few times I called out "Look for it umpire"

Yes a wee run in the Sat night back door route would be great where Mickey will play the younger lads like McKernan and HP and where Lee Brennan will get a lot more time and space to express himself and not be scared to lose possession by trying something special.
Unlike what Mickey thinks, I do want to be entertained and not just get to an AI final winning ugly all the time. No thanks.

So you want to travel the lengths of the country from Wicklow to Sligo, from Limerick to Louth watching Tyrone play cannon fodder (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif) (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)

So many dud games when one of the big guys go through the back door.  Bring on Mayo to fcuk next game I say.  Who cares about Wicklow, Longford, Limerick and nonsense teams like that.  No way I would be travelling to watch that.  Give me that game yesterday and a defeat over hammering Waterford by 30 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

You've lost the run of yourself here STG, both played poorly yes but catch a grip FFS, it had no bearing on the result.  Hardly a massive distraction.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

Players show a bit of personality and it affects their performance?

Do you think this personality only arrived last week?

One can safely assume this is always the way they have been and had a bit of craic and it didnt affect them previously?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on May 21, 2018, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

Players show a bit of personality and it affects their performance?

Do you think this personality only arrived last week?

One can safely assume this is always the way they have been and had a bit of craic and it didnt affect them previously?

Both spice boys and neither up to the grade of county material. Another case of Harte selecting a system to suit players. Neither McCanns or Colly Cav would be county men in any other system. And don't get me started on Burns. We should just play 15 sweepers. Only for McAliskey ysterday showing any balls, it wouldn't have been close. Our Full back line was torn a new one, we couldn't win a 50/50 in the middle of the field. Gutless display.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 21, 2018, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

Players show a bit of personality and it affects their performance?

Do you think this personality only arrived last week?

One can safely assume this is always the way they have been and had a bit of craic and it didnt affect them previously?

Both spice boys and neither up to the grade of county material. Another case of Harte selecting a system to suit players. Neither McCanns or Colly Cav would be county men in any other system. And don't get me started on Burns. We should just play 15 sweepers. Only for McAliskey ysterday showing any balls, it wouldn't have been close. Our Full back line was torn a new one, we couldn't win a 50/50 in the middle of the field. Gutless display.

1-16 a gutless display??  They where beat by a better team on the day.

A gutless display was the day before in Brewster park by Armagh who kicked a mere 7 points
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on May 21, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

You've lost the run of yourself here STG, both played poorly yes but catch a grip FFS, it had no bearing on the result.  Hardly a massive distraction.

Yeah STG, there's just no way players can do a light hearted interview in the week before an Ulster Championship game and still win the game. No way. Uh uh.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/44124204 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/44124204)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 21, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

You've lost the run of yourself here STG, both played poorly yes but catch a grip FFS, it had no bearing on the result.  Hardly a massive distraction.

Yeah STG, there's just no way players can do a light hearted interview in the week before an Ulster Championship game and still win the game. No way. Uh uh.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/44124204 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/44124204)

;D ;D
Whoops
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on May 21, 2018, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 21, 2018, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

Players show a bit of personality and it affects their performance?

Do you think this personality only arrived last week?

One can safely assume this is always the way they have been and had a bit of craic and it didnt affect them previously?

Both spice boys and neither up to the grade of county material. Another case of Harte selecting a system to suit players. Neither McCanns or Colly Cav would be county men in any other system. And don't get me started on Burns. We should just play 15 sweepers. Only for McAliskey ysterday showing any balls, it wouldn't have been close. Our Full back line was torn a new one, we couldn't win a 50/50 in the middle of the field. Gutless display.

1-16 a gutless display??  They where beat by a better team on the day.

A gutless display was the day before in Brewster park by Armagh who kicked a mere 7 points

It was a gutless display. That match came down to the last 8 or 9 minutes and we were found wanting. Gutless for the last 10. And I'm a massive Tyrone supporter, but leaving healy park yesterday I was disgusted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 21, 2018, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 21, 2018, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 21, 2018, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 21, 2018, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

Players show a bit of personality and it affects their performance?

Do you think this personality only arrived last week?

One can safely assume this is always the way they have been and had a bit of craic and it didnt affect them previously?

Both spice boys and neither up to the grade of county material. Another case of Harte selecting a system to suit players. Neither McCanns or Colly Cav would be county men in any other system. And don't get me started on Burns. We should just play 15 sweepers. Only for McAliskey ysterday showing any balls, it wouldn't have been close. Our Full back line was torn a new one, we couldn't win a 50/50 in the middle of the field. Gutless display.

1-16 a gutless display??  They where beat by a better team on the day.

A gutless display was the day before in Brewster park by Armagh who kicked a mere 7 points

It was a gutless display. That match came down to the last 8 or 9 minutes and we were found wanting. Gutless for the last 10. And I'm a massive Tyrone supporter, but leaving healy park yesterday I was disgusted.

You'd want to lay off whatever it is you're smoking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 21, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 21, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on May 20, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44153287

Did anyone see this interview in the build up to today?  Maybe our players should stop worrying about how good looking they are and how great/bad their hair looks and concentrate on the size 5 oneills what you reckon?
only after seein this! what a fuckin embarressment. forget about all irelands with guys like this playing.

Check out these couple of grandads (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

Bit of light "harted" (do not excuse the pun) fun.  Bit of a laugh, see nothing wrong with it, nice to actually see some different sides to players rather than the usual boring shite they have to regurgitate for the media.

If your thinking this had an impact on the result yesterday, you really need to get your heads checked (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
yes it did have an impact on the result. Both played shite. Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.

You've lost the run of yourself here STG, both played poorly yes but catch a grip FFS, it had no bearing on the result.  Hardly a massive distraction.

Yeah STG, there's just no way players can do a light hearted interview in the week before an Ulster Championship game and still win the game. No way. Uh uh.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/44124204 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/44124204)

(http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2009/12/snooki.gif)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 05:23:54 PM
at least the jones brothers backed it up on the pitch. bet the mc cann brothers wished they hadnt now. peter harte had an interview up last week too backing the NO campaign wearing a tyrone jersey. he played shite too. too many distractions and not enough focus on winning these big games. and dont get me started on mickey. i hope the YES side win by a f**king landslide to really put the boot into him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 21, 2018, 06:51:32 PM
Is strange Mickey is so relaxed about losing like Ulster title not such a big deal after telling us for a few years how it is a big deal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 07:00:38 PM
ttm will discuss the game live from 9pm tonight. should be interesting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 07:00:38 PM
ttm will discuss the game live from 9pm tonight. should be interesting.

TTM will sugarcoat the whole thing. Aww look lads we might avoid Dublin in the super 8s now. Sure the back door will allow us to build, Mickey will get a chance to look at some of the panel. The usual bullsh1t that they spout. The excuses will be prepared Cavanagh, Lee and McCann weren't ready. Everything went right for Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 21, 2018, 07:13:35 PM
I lost all faith in Mickey some time ago and yesterday's result is further evidence that the man is no longer up to it. The actual game it self I have no issue with being beaten by a decent team but some of the managerial decision I can only say they no longer surprise me.

Which other county manager would risk playing not one not two but three players who would likely not be match fit in a game v you biggest rival for provincial honours. ?

Which other county manager would send out a player/goal keeper to take distance frees despite having proven time and time again that he is incapable of striking them under pressure. Can someone please had Mickey the definition of madness.

Which other county manager would have sent a lad on to play in a full forward line not allow his team to put the ball into him and when your team is under pressure for scores replace him with a defender.

Which other county manager when under pressure for scores allows his team to revert to a planned for of play which has been proven to be no longer up to the job.

How did Mcshane and peter stay on the pitch considering how poor they were but I suppose if you waste 4 of your 6 subs on correcting your other managerial cockups Colm Tiernan Brennan and RON then your choices are limited.

Mickey lost the plot some time ago and we are now looking a Meath oblivion scenario. Mickey will certainly leave a lasting mark on Tyrone football and unfortunately it won't be a positive one. I fully expect a serious bit of blood letting when Big Sean's book comes out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 07:22:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 07:00:38 PM
ttm will discuss the game live from 9pm tonight. should be interesting.

TTM will sugarcoat the whole thing. Aww look lads we might avoid Dublin in the super 8s now. Sure the back door will allow us to build, Mickey will get a chance to look at some of the panel. The usual bullsh1t that they spout. The excuses will be prepared Cavanagh, Lee and McCann weren't ready. Everything went right for Monaghan.
i actually seen a tyrone poster on hoganstand or somewhere actually say this could be part of mickeys master plan to go through the back door and avoid dublin.lol harte doesnt even have a plan never mind a master plan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:22:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 07:22:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 07:00:38 PM
ttm will discuss the game live from 9pm tonight. should be interesting.

TTM will sugarcoat the whole thing. Aww look lads we might avoid Dublin in the super 8s now. Sure the back door will allow us to build, Mickey will get a chance to look at some of the panel. The usual bullsh1t that they spout. The excuses will be prepared Cavanagh, Lee and McCann weren't ready. Everything went right for Monaghan.
i actually seen a tyrone poster on hoganstand or somewhere actually say this could be part of mickeys master plan to go through the back door and avoid dublin.lol harte doesnt even have a plan never mind a master plan.

Listening here live and 1st thing was our injuries now we are onto how good Beggan and McManus are!!! Its not hard to predict this garbage. If your didn't know before the game McManus was gonna give you trouble and Beggan can hit a free you're in the wrong game. Monaghan were great never pick holes in Harte or where Tyrone got it wrong or how Tyrone can improve.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 21, 2018, 09:43:04 PM
Maybe the qualifier route could be a blessing bring new players on - Classic Kevin Kelly!!! Jesus wept
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 09:48:34 PM
they reckon it could be 08 all over again! fuckin deluded shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 21, 2018, 09:51:55 PM
In fairness mcnamee kept McManus quiet for 60 min. That point from the sideline, sure how do U stop that. I wonder if we had of got some of the soft calls that coldrick gave them what way would it of went. He was poor to us. Something that has being forgot about was drew wylies hand trip on mcaliskey when thru on goal. Not even a booking never mind a black. I'd say we were a 6/10 performance and they were 9/10. And the still couldn't kill us of. We might get a summer out of it yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on May 21, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
Just watched Monaghan goal again....

Very poor defending McNamee jogs back McCann stopped altogether.6 Tyrone defenders back in that area of the field not one got hands near Corey....really poor stuff altogether...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 08:09:23 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.
IL say one thing, and this has been proven in history the world over getting rid of a dictator has been always been a messy affair. I don't think we can underestimate how bad a place Tyrone are in at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on May 22, 2018, 08:17:49 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 08:09:23 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.
IL say one thing, and this has been proven in history the world over getting rid of a dictator has been always been a messy affair. I don't think we can underestimate how bad a place Tyrone are in at the minute.


Where will it end up? Mickey likes controversy we all know that from before..... he has hold in the right places.... Mickey seems to have his nose still stuck in affairs that does not involve football like sponsorship and some financial matters that should not be the concern of a football manager.....it all will not end good in my opinion....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 22, 2018, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.

Prayers before games???  Whats this about?? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 22, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
Anybody want have a go at naming the u20 team for Friday night. We got beat at minor level by derry but I think we under performed that day, especially in the second half
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 22, 2018, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 22, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
Anybody want have a go at naming the u20 team for Friday night. We got beat at minor level by derry but I think we under performed that day, especially in the second half

Is there a squad list anywhere?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 22, 2018, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 22, 2018, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.

Prayers before games???  Whats this about??

The players are encouraged/forced to take part in the rosary before games. McCarron talked about it in his book and I think McNamee done an interview on it last summer - maybe around the Dublin game if I remember correctly.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 22, 2018, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 22, 2018, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.

Prayers before games???  Whats this about??

Sunday - the sorrowful mysteries.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on May 22, 2018, 10:58:59 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 22, 2018, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 22, 2018, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.

Prayers before games???  Whats this about??

Sunday - the sorrowful mysteries.

This can't be true. Sure what if a lad was from another faith or from none at all? No manager would risk putting a player in that kind of position.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 22, 2018, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 22, 2018, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 22, 2018, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.

Prayers before games???  Whats this about??

The players are encouraged/forced to take part in the rosary before games. McCarron talked about it in his book and I think McNamee done an interview on it last summer - maybe around the Dublin game if I remember correctly.

Is there anything to be said for another Mass?  Thats shocking to be fair if true....what about guys on the panel who maybe are not religious at all?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2018, 11:43:29 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 22, 2018, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 22, 2018, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 22, 2018, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.

Prayers before games???  Whats this about??

The players are encouraged/forced to take part in the rosary before games. McCarron talked about it in his book and I think McNamee done an interview on it last summer - maybe around the Dublin game if I remember correctly.

Is there anything to be said for another Mass?  Thats shocking to be fair if true....what about guys on the panel who maybe are not religious at all?

This is old news. Any player who doesn't want to participate doesn't have to. Sure when Father McAleer was on the management team he said Mass the mornings of games. I'm not Harte's no.1 fan but you're making something out of nothing here. It's not a case of say the rosary or you're not playing.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2018, 11:47:15 AM
Football teams have to be dictatorships. They don't work any other way. Someone has to make the decisions in the best interest of the team. Now we can disagree with his / her decisions but someone needs to have the final say. You think Fergie or Micko or Jim Galvin have some sort of players committee deciding what's happening in training or who is playing?
As I said I'm not Harte's biggest fan but he's in control and that's essential. When the patients are in charge of the mad house, you can just forget about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 22, 2018, 11:52:15 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 22, 2018, 11:47:15 AM
Football teams have to be dictatorships. They don't work any other way. Someone has to make the decisions in the best interest of the team. Now we can disagree with his / her decisions but someone needs to have the final say. You think Fergie or Micko or Jim Galvin have some sort of players committee deciding what's happening in training or who is playing?
As I said I'm not Harte's biggest fan but he's in control and that's essential. When the patients are in charge of the mad house, you can just forget about it.

Correct. There can be only one man in charge. He lives by his success and failures.

It cannot be democratic FFS.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on May 22, 2018, 11:57:07 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 08:09:23 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 07:50:55 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on May 22, 2018, 06:51:21 AM
monaghan fully merited the win looked a lot leaner than a top heavy tyrone. they are  also quicker in their thought processes and decision making that comes from good coaching and an excellent backroom. tyrone lost out because of their overall defensive gameplan. it depends on one thing being in front at all times the goal before halftime was equivalent to o callaghans  game over. game over on the sideline that is not with the players. harte has constantly backed his strategy even in the light of such a pyschologically damaging defeat last august. to finish the game in such dissaray backs the notion that he will continue to do what he wants despite the criticism and tactical naievity. the centre of our defence remains porous mcnamee burns wont cut it against top players and cavnagh never fit to sweep and hes to slow, 32 legs are gone for that job ,he might be able to horse about in the middle and school mcclure. stubborness over the groundswell opinion that the defensive gamepan no longer cuts it just reinforces the idea that the old man is no longer relevant at the tactical top table. conservatism and age go hand in hand in politics life and football. hard to watch, need for some pride to be reinstored in a respected football jersey. i think the players have had enough.
It will only be the players who can get rid of him at this stage. The arrogance shown by the Tyrone county board regarding Harte proves their is no point looking at them to do something.

The players won't say a word, they are all in a controlled environment when selected to represent our county. The RTE ban it takes you to leave the panel before you can give an interview. Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan and Jordan all expressed their freedoms after leaving the panel. Cavanagh is only now able to voice issues about style and a rigid structure. This would suggest that he wasn't able to question Mickey. He has 2 nodding dogs in Devlin and O'Neill in beside him. The prayers before games is another example how Mickey rules the roost. I don't know of any club that does this.
IL say one thing, and this has been proven in history the world over getting rid of a dictator has been always been a messy affair. I don't think we can underestimate how bad a place Tyrone are in at the minute.

God help the majority of other counties in Ireland if Tyrone are considered to be in a terrible place  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 12:03:23 PM
The Harte loyalists out in force today. My favourite quote from one of them is ' as I said before I'm not Mickey s number one fan but he's in charge and that's Essential.' These brainwashed clowns should really listen to themselves lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on May 22, 2018, 12:03:32 PM


This is old news. Any player who doesn't want to participate doesn't have to. Sure when Father McAleer was on the management team he said Mass the mornings of games. I'm not Harte's no.1 fan but you're making something out of nothing here. It's not a case of say the rosary or you're not playing.
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U serious? And how does that work practically, do those who opt out leave their team mates and go off and stand in a corner until its over? And if they did do you really think they'd get a fair shout from a zealot like harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 12:16:44 PM
Harte has an element of control at every level and as the years roll on the more established that control becomes. Its clear to see that he has Garvaghy robots sorted (there is no major change in personnel up there just a rotation in roles), no issues there. Media sorted, TTM wouldn't dare criticise Harte for fear that they would lose hit post match interviews.  He lost the plot with BBC in the league when they dared question him.  CCC he has control of the fixtures calling games off when he sees fit.  Players - the players must not show any other opinion that conflicts his stance such as media interviews even if they have been awarded man of the match. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on May 22, 2018, 12:58:37 PM
Does it really matter, you wouldn't be much of a supporter.
Been following tyrone length and breadth of the country since before you were born. Cos i dont have me head up mickeys arse doesn't mean i'm either a good or bad supporter. Watched tyrone gettin bate all over the country but kept going because they always played with pride in the jersey. Now they run about like headless chickens. After the embarrassment against dublin mickey got 3 yrs. Maybe he'll get another few yrs after sunday.
Its no disgrace getting bate. Its a disgrace not showing some fight. Its a disgrace sending out a team completely unprepared.

But sure stick yer head up Mickey's hole n keep waving yer tyrone flags ye bought when tyrone started winning all irelands
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 12:59:30 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 12:16:44 PM
Harte has an element of control at every level and as the years roll on the more established that control becomes. Its clear to see that he has Garvaghy robots sorted (there is no major change in personnel up there just a rotation in roles), no issues there. Media sorted, TTM wouldn't dare criticise Harte for fear that they would lose hit post match interviews.  He lost the plot with BBC in the league when they dared question him.  CCC he has control of the fixtures calling games off when he sees fit.  Players - the players must not show any other opinion that conflicts his stance such as media interviews even if they have been awarded man of the match.
There's chat in today's Irish news Healy park wasn't to capacity on Sunday because of ticket pricing. There maybe an element of that but generally people have stopped going and the reason been is Mickey Harte. I for one and I know plenty others who won't darken that turnstile til he is gone! I would urge others to do the same whilst also boycotting the Tyrone fabrication county gear. That ll put manners in them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 22, 2018, 01:03:49 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 12:59:30 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 12:16:44 PM
Harte has an element of control at every level and as the years roll on the more established that control becomes. Its clear to see that he has Garvaghy robots sorted (there is no major change in personnel up there just a rotation in roles), no issues there. Media sorted, TTM wouldn't dare criticise Harte for fear that they would lose hit post match interviews.  He lost the plot with BBC in the league when they dared question him.  CCC he has control of the fixtures calling games off when he sees fit.  Players - the players must not show any other opinion that conflicts his stance such as media interviews even if they have been awarded man of the match.
There's chat in today's Irish news Healy park wasn't to capacity on Sunday because of ticket pricing. There maybe an element of that but generally people have stopped going and the reason been is Mickey Harte. I for one and I know plenty others who won't darken that turnstile til he is gone! I would urge others to do the same whilst also boycotting the Tyrone fabrication county gear. That ll put manners in them.

I can only assume you are a WUM?

Dont think I have ever seen such shite posted on here
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 01:05:40 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 12:59:30 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 12:16:44 PM
Harte has an element of control at every level and as the years roll on the more established that control becomes. Its clear to see that he has Garvaghy robots sorted (there is no major change in personnel up there just a rotation in roles), no issues there. Media sorted, TTM wouldn't dare criticise Harte for fear that they would lose hit post match interviews.  He lost the plot with BBC in the league when they dared question him.  CCC he has control of the fixtures calling games off when he sees fit.  Players - the players must not show any other opinion that conflicts his stance such as media interviews even if they have been awarded man of the match.
There's chat in today's Irish news Healy park wasn't to capacity on Sunday because of ticket pricing. There maybe an element of that but generally people have stopped going and the reason been is Mickey Harte. I for one and I know plenty others who won't darken that turnstile til he is gone! I would urge others to do the same whilst also boycotting the Tyrone fabrication county gear. That ll put manners in them.

Boycott isn't an option for me, I will always follow my county through thick and thin.  I don't believe MH is the right man to be leading our county but I still hope he can prove me wrong and have a successful year.  The 70minutes Tyrone take to the field they have by 100% support.  I actually hope we draw London away for a wee weekend trip 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 22, 2018, 01:12:20 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 12:59:30 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 12:16:44 PM
Harte has an element of control at every level and as the years roll on the more established that control becomes. Its clear to see that he has Garvaghy robots sorted (there is no major change in personnel up there just a rotation in roles), no issues there. Media sorted, TTM wouldn't dare criticise Harte for fear that they would lose hit post match interviews.  He lost the plot with BBC in the league when they dared question him.  CCC he has control of the fixtures calling games off when he sees fit.  Players - the players must not show any other opinion that conflicts his stance such as media interviews even if they have been awarded man of the match.
There's chat in today's Irish news Healy park wasn't to capacity on Sunday because of ticket pricing. There maybe an element of that but generally people have stopped going and the reason been is Mickey Harte. I for one and I know plenty others who won't darken that turnstile til he is gone! I would urge others to do the same whilst also boycotting the Tyrone fabrication county gear. That ll put manners in them.

To be fair now, there wasn't too much space left from what I seen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 22, 2018, 01:12:28 PM
If both management teams had changed 12 months ago tyroneTyrone beat Monaghan easily as orourke and co would make tyrone much better and harte and co make Monaghan much worse
However as I have said on here previously county football is at such a low ebb that there are only a small number of counties that would beat tyrone:
Dublin definitely
Kerry close enough
Galway tight game
Mayo if at full tilt maybe
Monaghan and Donegal would be close.

After that whoever tyrone play they will beat. So unless they meet one of the above in the qualifiers they will make last 8 and all of the stuff on here will be swept under the carpet until the start of August.. ....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Anyone on this forum who knows any of the Tyrone players or is in their club I would urge also too get in their ear on a regular basis and tell them your wasting your time under that management and quit!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 22, 2018, 01:25:50 PM
Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 22, 2018, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Anyone on this forum who knows any of the Tyrone players or is in their club I would urge also too get in their ear on a regular basis and tell them your wasting your time under that management and quit!

What an idiot.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 01:41:46 PM
I haven't seen a confirmed u20 panel, but the trialists are listed below.  Will give you half an idea.  There is also a picture of the squad on the website.

Kildress

Matthew Mc Guigan, Adam Connolly, Callum Holland, Corey Holland, Phelim Girvan

Killyclogher

P.T. Cunningham, Luke Murnaghan

Drumquin

Jamie Mc Aleer, James O Kane, Cormac Rodgers

Loughmacrory

Conal Grimes, Colm Logue, Oisin O'Kane, Cathaoir Gallagher, Arnoldas Macildulskas

Owen Roes

Conall Mc Cormack, Ryan Devine

Dromore

Ryan McCusker. Cahir Goodwin, Odhran Rafferty, Emmett McNabb, Caolan McCarron, Oran Sludden

Eglish

Cormac Byrne, Matthew McGleenan, Seamus Muldoon

Killeeshil

Pascal Donaghy, Liam Hughes

Newtownstewart – Eoin Donnelly

Carrickmore

Conor Loughran, Patrick McElduff, James McGurk, Oran McKee

Beragh

Oisin Donnelly, Callum Corrigan, Eoin Grimes

Strabane – Ruairi Gormley

Derrylaughan

Brian Kennedy, Tomas Carney, Paul Donnelly

Rock

Cormac O Neil, Liam Nugent,

Moy

Tom Loughran, Francie Kelly

Stewartstown

Gerard O'Neill, Stephen Talbot, Shea Burke

Pomeroy

Jude Campbell, , Aidan Mc Kenna,

Moortown

Tiernan Corr, Emmet McGuigan, Tiernan Hurl,Sean Conway

Tattyreagh – Peader Mullin

Killyman

Adam Cullen, Ronan McVeigh, Adam Roche

Omagh

Ciarán Breen, Damian McGuigan, Aidan Clarke, Cain Bradley

Dungannon

Oran Mallon, Brian McNulty, James Morgan, Dalaigh Jones, Mark McKearney

Edendork – Paul Donaghy

Carrickmore

Ciaran Daly, Ciaran Cuddy, Tiarnan Murray, Jarlath Kerr

Aghyaran

Brendan Gallen, Thomas Dolan, Eoin Byrne, Johnathon Connolly

Trillick

Ryan Gray, James Garrity

Clonoe

Ryan O'Neill, Michael O'Neill, Tyler Devlin, Adrian Devlin

Gortin

Patrick McCullagh, Séan Óg McAleer, Ciaran Brolly

Donaghmore

Dermot McCann, Brannon Molloy, Tiernan Drayne

Drumragh

Brendan McGrath, Shane Devine, Darragh OKane, Ciaran Donaghey

Coalisland

Odhrán Bayne, Conor Doyle, Bailey Leonard, Eoghan Rankin, Padraic Hamill,

Kevin O'Hanlon, Dylan Woods

Ardboe

Cormac Morgan, Jordan Bell, Ronan Cassidy, Gary Donnelly, Odie Devlin

Errigal Ciaran – Peter Og Mc Cartan

Clogher – Conor Shiels

Augher – Eoghan Keenan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 22, 2018, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Anyone on this forum who knows any of the Tyrone players or is in their club I would urge also too get in their ear on a regular basis and tell them your wasting your time under that management and quit!

What an idiot.
No. What a great idea more like.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on May 22, 2018, 01:45:41 PM
Have Tyrone ever lost a match where the opposition had better players or is it always down to the manager?

Someone above said if we'd switched managers last year then Tyrone would have won comfortably. It was a great win on Sunday and Monaghan were well set up but the Monaghan management still have a lot to prove. In recent years they have lost championship games to Down and Longford - games that there is very little chance Tyrone would have lost. They also scraped past Carlow.

When the teams met in the big games in Croke Park in recent years Harte won the tactical battle. I'm guessing the anti Harte brigade will put those wins down to the players and the loss on Sunday down to management. It's hard to be proved wrong when using logic like that. It'll be interesting to see how the two teams get on as the year goes on. It's how both teams finish the year that I will be judging it on. I am concerned though that all the negativity in the county (from premiership style supporters) will seep through to the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2018, 01:46:37 PM
Christ alive there are some wankers around. I'm laughing at this revelation about the rosary that some of you have latched onto today as if it's some kind of breaking news story. If you didn't know that was happening it shows what sort of supporters you are. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 22, 2018, 01:45:41 PM
Have Tyrone ever lost a match where the opposition had better players or is it always down to the manager?

Someone above said if we'd switched managers last year then Tyrone would have won comfortably. It was a great win on Sunday and Monaghan were well set up but the Monaghan management still have a lot to prove. In recent years they have lost championship games to Down and Longford - games that there is very little chance Tyrone would have lost. They also scraped past Carlow.

When the teams met in the big games in Croke Park in recent years Harte won the tactical battle. I'm guessing the anti Harte brigade will put those wins down to the players and the loss on Sunday down to management. It's hard to be proved wrong when using logic like that. It'll be interesting to see how the two teams get on as the year goes on. It's how both teams finish the year that I will be judging it on. I am concerned though that all the negativity in the county (from premiership style supporters) will seep through to the players.
Do us a bloody favour you Muppet!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 22, 2018, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 22, 2018, 01:25:50 PM
Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith
total faith? This is 2018 not 2003 ffs. Blind faith.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on May 22, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 22, 2018, 01:25:50 PM
Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith
Benny   Gallen   Aghyaran
Tommy   Dolan   Aghyaran
Conall   Devlin    Ardboe
Oisin   Donnelly           Beragh
James   McGurk   Carrickmore
Conor   Shields   Clogher (C)
Brian   Kennedy           Derrylaughan
Tomás   Carney   Derrylaughan
Brannan Molloy           Donaghmore
Lorcan    Quinn   Donaghmore
Tiarnan    Drayne   Donaghmore
Cahir   Goodwin           Dromore
Oran   Sludden           Dromore
Emmett   McNabb   Dromore
Ryan   McCusker          Dromore
Oran   Mallon           Dungannon
Brian   McNulty           Dungannon
Dalaigh Jones          Dungannon
Mark  McKearney   Dungannon
Paul   Donaghy           Edendork
Mattie McGleenan   Eglish (V-C)
Peter Óg   McCartan   Errigal Ciaran
Conor Quinn            Galbally
Daniel Kerr           Galbally
Patrick McCullagh     Gortin
Matthew Murnaghan  Killyclogher
Conall   Grimes    Loughmacrory
Antoin   Fox          Loughmacrory
James   Devlin    Ardboe
Tom   Loughran           Moy
Damien   McGuigan    Omagh
Jude   Campbell            Pomeroy
Ruairí   Gormley    Strabane
Peadar   Mullin    Tattyreagh
Ryan   Gray                   Trillick
James   Garrity   Trillick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 22, 2018, 02:01:10 PM
Tyrone dreamer, I'd say almost every player on the Tyrone panel has won all Irelands at some level. Monaghan have none. So surely all things being equal and both had managers of equal ability then tyrones higher standard of player should win through every time against monaghan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 22, 2018, 02:05:47 PM
There is surely a mid-point between blind loyalty to Harte vs the pitchfork and torches brigade.

Like Arsene Wenger Harte has traded on an introduction of innovative tactics in his early days and a period of excellent results (combined with an existing squad of exceptional players).

Results have tailed off since then and an increasing degree of discontent has set in. The addition of a few bits of silverware (of varying worth)  has stemmed the tide a little, however any supporters I know have been pretty downbeat about Tyrone's chances of actually winning an AI since 2010 onwards.

A repeated failure to beat the big teams when it counts (and often when it doesn't) has not helped and the thrashing last year was catastrophic.

Now whether that's down to overall player quality, players on the day not performing, luck or the system..that's up for debate.

In any other walk of life however, Harte would be set targets. Achieve A in year 1, B in year 2, C in year 3 etc.

Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be held to account and yet that's how he should be judged - improvement year on year.

Ulster is a nice to have but it is increasingly irrelevent unless you have no ambitions beyond it.

For Tyrone progression should be QF, then SF, then Final, then AI Win. If he doesn't achieve progress each year (or havea solid reaosn for not doing so) then time for someone else to get involved
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2018, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 22, 2018, 02:01:10 PM
Tyrone dreamer, I'd say almost every player on the Tyrone panel has won all Irelands at some level. Monaghan have none. So surely all things being equal and both had managers of equal ability then tyrones higher standard of player should win through every time against monaghan?

That old equation;  minor medals (and/or) u21 medals = guaranteed success at senior level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on May 22, 2018, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: shezam on May 22, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 22, 2018, 01:25:50 PM
Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith
Benny   Gallen   Aghyaran
Tommy   Dolan   Aghyaran
Conall   Devlin    Ardboe
Oisin   Donnelly           Beragh
James   McGurk   Carrickmore
Conor   Shields   Clogher (C)
Brian   Kennedy           Derrylaughan
Tomás   Carney   Derrylaughan
Brannan Molloy           Donaghmore
Lorcan    Quinn   Donaghmore
Tiarnan    Drayne   Donaghmore
Cahir   Goodwin           Dromore
Oran   Sludden           Dromore
Emmett   McNabb   Dromore
Ryan   McCusker          Dromore
Oran   Mallon           Dungannon
Brian   McNulty           Dungannon
Dalaigh Jones          Dungannon
Mark  McKearney   Dungannon
Paul   Donaghy           Edendork
Mattie McGleenan   Eglish (V-C)
Peter Óg   McCartan   Errigal Ciaran
Conor Quinn            Galbally
Daniel Kerr           Galbally
Patrick McCullagh     Gortin
Matthew Murnaghan  Killyclogher
Conall   Grimes    Loughmacrory
Antoin   Fox          Loughmacrory
James   Devlin    Ardboe
Tom   Loughran           Moy
Damien   McGuigan    Omagh
Jude   Campbell            Pomeroy
Ruairí   Gormley    Strabane
Peadar   Mullin    Tattyreagh
Ryan   Gray                   Trillick
James   Garrity   Trillick

Benny Gallen worth the admission fee alone!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 03:26:45 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 22, 2018, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: shezam on May 22, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 22, 2018, 01:25:50 PM
Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith
Benny   Gallen   Aghyaran
Tommy   Dolan   Aghyaran
Conall   Devlin    Ardboe
Oisin   Donnelly           Beragh
James   McGurk   Carrickmore
Conor   Shields   Clogher (C)
Brian   Kennedy           Derrylaughan
Tomás   Carney   Derrylaughan
Brannan Molloy           Donaghmore
Lorcan    Quinn   Donaghmore
Tiarnan    Drayne   Donaghmore
Cahir   Goodwin           Dromore
Oran   Sludden           Dromore
Emmett   McNabb   Dromore
Ryan   McCusker          Dromore
Oran   Mallon           Dungannon
Brian   McNulty           Dungannon
Dalaigh Jones          Dungannon
Mark  McKearney   Dungannon
Paul   Donaghy           Edendork
Mattie McGleenan   Eglish (V-C)
Peter Óg   McCartan   Errigal Ciaran
Conor Quinn            Galbally
Daniel Kerr           Galbally
Patrick McCullagh     Gortin
Matthew Murnaghan  Killyclogher
Conall   Grimes    Loughmacrory
Antoin   Fox          Loughmacrory
James   Devlin    Ardboe
Tom   Loughran           Moy
Damien   McGuigan    Omagh
Jude   Campbell            Pomeroy
Ruairí   Gormley    Strabane
Peadar   Mullin    Tattyreagh
Ryan   Gray                   Trillick
James   Garrity   Trillick

Benny Gallen worth the admission fee alone!!!

Do you think Tyrone will allow him to go wondering the way his club does?  I have enjoyed watching him in the past.  He usually gets nailed by somebody thou.  Scored a cracking point in the championship last year in Omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on May 22, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
Lets discuss what YOU would do if you were manager and what players YOUD play with the system you'd implement!

Here is my Team

Alternative Tyrone Team/Tactics

1. Niall Morgan - No Free Kick Duties - Still the best keeper in Tyrone
2. Mick Mc Kernan - The New Ricey
3. HP Mc Geary - Big Strong - Plays 3 for his club - Natural defender
4. Padraig Hampsey - Strong - Mean and a natural defender
5. Toss Up Between P Harte and Mc Cann - Probably Peter Harte given he is a better defender
6. Jonathan Munroe - Strong - Huge Miss to this team - Nasty - Would have developed into another gormley
7. Meyler - Exceptional Engine Has to start - needs to become a nasty bast**d
8. Colm Cavanagh - When Fit a tremendous footballer - play him as a midfielder not a sweeper - release him to get scores
9. Richard Donnelly - potential to get us a few scores and a big engine
10. Niall Sludden - Can Score and work - hard to mark
11. Mark Bradley - Best Forward in Tyrone - Fantastic Movement - Get this man on the ball in our half
12. Frank Burns - Can Kick a score - need men in the half forward line that can score and win their own ball, provide a presence - scores a lot for Pomeroy
13. Conor Mc Aliskey - will only get stronger following knee surgery
14. Mattie Donnelly - we are looking scores and presence in the full forward line - this man would give us another dimension - also wouldn't solo as much and hold play up
15. Lee Brennan - Free Kicks, would get more room if the focus was on Donnelly and Mc Alis



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 22, 2018, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 22, 2018, 02:05:47 PM
There is surely a mid-point between blind loyalty to Harte vs the pitchfork and torches brigade.

Like Arsene Wenger Harte has traded on an introduction of innovative tactics in his early days and a period of excellent results (combined with an existing squad of exceptional players).

Results have tailed off since then and an increasing degree of discontent has set in. The addition of a few bits of silverware (of varying worth)  has stemmed the tide a little, however any supporters I know have been pretty downbeat about Tyrone's chances of actually winning an AI since 2010 onwards.

A repeated failure to beat the big teams when it counts (and often when it doesn't) has not helped and the thrashing last year was catastrophic.

Now whether that's down to overall player quality, players on the day not performing, luck or the system..that's up for debate.

In any other walk of life however, Harte would be set targets. Achieve A in year 1, B in year 2, C in year 3 etc.

Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be held to account and yet that's how he should be judged - improvement year on year.

Ulster is a nice to have but it is increasingly irrelevent unless you have no ambitions beyond it.

For Tyrone progression should be QF, then SF, then Final, then AI Win. If he doesn't achieve progress each year (or havea solid reaosn for not doing so) then time for someone else to get involved

Would setting up Tyrone TV alah Arsenal TV be an idea. Theres bound be some nutters out there like STG and bigdog who would keep us entertained - "Harte out - you get me bluudd!"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on May 22, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on May 22, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
Lets discuss what YOU would do if you were manager and what players YOUD play with the system you'd implement!

Here is my Team

Alternative Tyrone Team/Tactics

1. Niall Morgan - No Free Kick Duties - Still the best keeper in Tyrone
2. Mick Mc Kernan - The New Ricey
3. HP Mc Geary - Big Strong - Plays 3 for his club - Natural defender
4. Padraig Hampsey - Strong - Mean and a natural defender
5. Toss Up Between P Harte and Mc Cann - Probably Peter Harte given he is a better defender
6. Jonathan Munroe - Strong - Huge Miss to this team - Nasty - Would have developed into another gormley
7. Meyler - Exceptional Engine Has to start - needs to become a nasty bast**d
8. Colm Cavanagh - When Fit a tremendous footballer - play him as a midfielder not a sweeper - release him to get scores
9. Richard Donnelly - potential to get us a few scores and a big engine
10. Niall Sludden - Can Score and work - hard to mark
11. Mark Bradley - Best Forward in Tyrone - Fantastic Movement - Get this man on the ball in our half
12. Frank Burns - Can Kick a score - need men in the half forward line that can score and win their own ball, provide a presence - scores a lot for Pomeroy
13. Conor Mc Aliskey - will only get stronger following knee surgery
14. Mattie Donnelly - we are looking scores and presence in the full forward line - this man would give us another dimension - also wouldn't solo as much and hold play up
15. Lee Brennan - Free Kicks, would get more room if the focus was on Donnelly and Mc Alis

You would have Meyler ahead of Tiernan McCann? I will have what you are smoking..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 22, 2018, 05:58:57 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on May 22, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on May 22, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
Lets discuss what YOU would do if you were manager and what players YOUD play with the system you'd implement!

Here is my Team

Alternative Tyrone Team/Tactics

1. Niall Morgan - No Free Kick Duties - Still the best keeper in Tyrone
2. Mick Mc Kernan - The New Ricey
3. HP Mc Geary - Big Strong - Plays 3 for his club - Natural defender
4. Padraig Hampsey - Strong - Mean and a natural defender
5. Toss Up Between P Harte and Mc Cann - Probably Peter Harte given he is a better defender
6. Jonathan Munroe - Strong - Huge Miss to this team - Nasty - Would have developed into another gormley
7. Meyler - Exceptional Engine Has to start - needs to become a nasty bast**d
8. Colm Cavanagh - When Fit a tremendous footballer - play him as a midfielder not a sweeper - release him to get scores
9. Richard Donnelly - potential to get us a few scores and a big engine
10. Niall Sludden - Can Score and work - hard to mark
11. Mark Bradley - Best Forward in Tyrone - Fantastic Movement - Get this man on the ball in our half
12. Frank Burns - Can Kick a score - need men in the half forward line that can score and win their own ball, provide a presence - scores a lot for Pomeroy
13. Conor Mc Aliskey - will only get stronger following knee surgery
14. Mattie Donnelly - we are looking scores and presence in the full forward line - this man would give us another dimension - also wouldn't solo as much and hold play up
15. Lee Brennan - Free Kicks, would get more room if the focus was on Donnelly and Mc Alis

You would have Meyler ahead of Tiernan McCann? I will have what you are smoking..
meyler looked a fair bit ahead on t mc cann on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
Be a good time to be a fly on the wall round the Moy. Philly Jordan writing for RTE says Sean Cavanagh's comments have made things difficult and that he is learning from the likes of Brolly and Spillane trying to create headlines.

Two high profile County and Club mates set out their stalls.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 22, 2018, 08:56:03 PM
Sean tonight on radio Colm should not have been taken off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 22, 2018, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
Be a good time to be a fly on the wall round the Moy. Philly Jordan writing for RTE says Sean Cavanagh's comments have made things difficult and that he is learning from the likes of Brolly and Spillane trying to create headlines.

Two high profile County and Club mates set out their stalls.

To be fair, from what I hear, even the flies are looking out of the Moy these days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 09:13:50 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 22, 2018, 08:56:03 PM
Sean tonight on radio Colm should not have been taken off.

Missed that, is that all he said or was that the only reason he put forward for the defeat?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 22, 2018, 09:29:11 PM
Said Colm would have made the difference going up the home straight with his know how and leadership quality.He said He stands by his comments last week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 22, 2018, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 22, 2018, 09:29:11 PM
Said Colm would have made the difference going up the home straight with his know how and leadership quality.He said He stands by his comments last week.


https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0522/965357-colms-presence-was-badly-missed-in-that-tyrone-team/

He didn't seem to acknowledge that Colm was injured and implied it was tactical due to Mickey thinking McClure was a more attacking option. Is he suggesting Colm wasn't injured or is he just purposely trying to be controversial again? It's only a few weeks into the championship and Sean's Eamon Dunphy act is getting tiresome already. He's a big enough name already, he doesn't need the controversy to make it as a pundit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on May 22, 2018, 09:43:46 PM
There's no doubt a fit Colm Cavanagh would have made a difference but would an unfit one have?  Could he have made his injury worse by playing the full match? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 22, 2018, 10:24:08 PM
Sean would want to wind the neck in at this stage. Fair enough he has a right to voice his opinion on Tyrone matters but he appears to be using  (abusing?) his position to create controversy in order to further his punditry career
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 22, 2018, 10:52:36 PM
was Colm taken off because he was injured. If he was taken off because he ran out of steam then Sean is right  If Colm only had enough fitness for 35 mins it should have been in the second half
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 22, 2018, 11:03:42 PM
 
Quote from: referee on May 22, 2018, 10:56:57 PM
Sean lighthouse smile Cavanagh is only interested in one thing, himself,he's an absolute w**ker
mugsy is a pundit w**ker, Sean Cavanagh is a pundit w**ker. All them great Tyrone players are pundit wankers. How dare they!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 22, 2018, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: referee on May 22, 2018, 10:56:57 PM
Sean lighthouse smile Cavanagh is only interested in one thing, himself,he's an absolute w**ker

Great lad for the last 16 years though wasn't he
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 22, 2018, 11:14:37 PM
Is Sean not suggesting that taking Colm out of the game was a tactical decision rather than an enforced change because of injury? I've said it before Colm is the biggest leader we have in that team and felt he should of been captain. Maybe Sean's commentary is effecting Colm's relationship with Harte. Who knows?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 22, 2018, 11:19:44 PM
My best team of last 20 years would be:
Niall Morgan
Ricey Justin McMahon gormley
Peter harte Mattie Donnelly Philip Jordan
Hub Sean cavanagh
Dooher McGuigan joe McMahon
Oneill Canavan mulligan

You have to wonder why harte and Donnelly didn't perform on Sunday as they are 2 superb players......also why did Beggan outshine Morgan?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 12:03:15 AM
niall morgan ahead of mc connell and devine? mattie donnelly chb? no way peter harte should be in there. what exactly had peter harte done in the big games when the pressure is really on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on May 23, 2018, 12:18:00 AM
Big Sean's crying like a spoilt pup reminds me of the time when Red Rum retired after wining everything, and went onto Chanel 4 Racing live. Between a few mouthfuls of hay he had a right go at trainer Ginger McCain for training him too hard, teaching him how to win, not getting him a pair of red  Louboutin horse shoes and worst of all never letting him eat pavlova. It was a very very sad story.
Poor Sean an only a auld box full of medals to weigh down his ego.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 23, 2018, 12:59:42 AM
Quote from: The Trap on May 22, 2018, 11:19:44 PM
My best team of last 20 years would be:
Niall Morgan
Ricey Justin McMahon gormley
Peter harte Mattie Donnelly Philip Jordan
Hub Sean cavanagh
Dooher McGuigan joe McMahon
Oneill Canavan mulligan

You have to wonder why harte and Donnelly didn't perform on Sunday as they are 2 superb players......also why did Beggan outshine Morgan?
Because Beggan is a better all round goalkeeper! Your team however I think many would pick Pascal McConnell before Morgan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 23, 2018, 04:24:14 AM
Morgan has been chosen on the ireland team ahead of Beggan. He has fantastic natural ability but I think we all know the shortcomings he has and these have never been taken out of his game. I think that is poor management of him. He could be a great keeper and that is why I put him in there as the other keepers were steady and reliable but had not as much ability.
I think Mattie and Pete would be fantastic players in that team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 23, 2018, 08:11:00 AM
I don't want to hear anymore crap about how great a player Peter Harte would be on the noughties team, the Dublin team, the Kerry team or any other bloody team. The only team that matters is the Tyrone seniors 2018. A player who in my eyes is not a team leader, a player who goes missing in action more often than not. Anyone who wants to understand why Mickey Harte plays his rigid system it is too purely accommodate his nephew who a don't think would fancy too much man to man  football as has been proven since last August. As the system has been found out, teams simply man mark him. Mickey s nephew is not up to it.  Never will be, and the red card on Sunday was a disgrace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 08:41:14 AM
Have to agree with thebigdog on this one. For all peter hartes undoubted ability, he goes missing too often in big games. He doesn't seem up for the fight. He wouldn't survive on the 00's team.I'd say the fact that he knows mickey will never sub him isn't helping his performance levels.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on May 23, 2018, 09:16:36 AM
Quote from: The Trap on May 23, 2018, 04:24:14 AM
Morgan has been chosen on the ireland team ahead of Beggan. He has fantastic natural ability but I think we all know the shortcomings he has and these have never been taken out of his game. I think that is poor management of him. He could be a great keeper and that is why I put him in there as the other keepers were steady and reliable but had not as much ability.
I think Mattie and Pete would be fantastic players in that team.

Beggan was on the Ireland panel  the year Morgan got in, but due to Scotstown being in Ulster Club Final he was unavailable!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on May 23, 2018, 09:22:26 AM
Harte receives a lot more abuse off the ball than any other player on the team. He's harassed and bullied and gets no protection from referees or team mates. Referees need to make their helping officials more aware of these sledging matches.

I believe that affected Darren hughes and not beggan when talking about missing the international series due to scotstown championship campaign? although they were later flown out after the first test.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 23, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on May 23, 2018, 09:22:26 AM
Harte receives a lot more abuse off the ball than any other player on the team. He's harassed and bullied and gets no protection from referees or team mates. Referees need to make their helping officials more aware of these sledging matches.

I believe that affected Darren hughes and not beggan when talking about missing the international series due to scotstown championship campaign? although they were later flown out after the first test.
sledging is part of the game. The noughties team were the masters of it. It should be embraced. As for Peter getting protection from others. Would he protect them? Probably not. It wouldn't surprise me if other players resented Mickey s nephew. I would.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 23, 2018, 09:52:06 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 22, 2018, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 22, 2018, 09:29:11 PM
Said Colm would have made the difference going up the home straight with his know how and leadership quality.He said He stands by his comments last week.


https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0522/965357-colms-presence-was-badly-missed-in-that-tyrone-team/

He didn't seem to acknowledge that Colm was injured and implied it was tactical due to Mickey thinking McClure was a more attacking option. Is he suggesting Colm wasn't injured or is he just purposely trying to be controversial again? It's only a few weeks into the championship and Sean's Eamon Dunphy act is getting tiresome already. He's a big enough name already, he doesn't need the controversy to make it as a pundit.
So last week Mickey was too defensive, this week he should have been more defensive?

However Sean is correct about leadership. Sean always provided it even when not playing well and Colm would have provided it on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on May 23, 2018, 09:58:46 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 22, 2018, 05:58:57 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on May 22, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on May 22, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
Lets discuss what YOU would do if you were manager and what players YOUD play with the system you'd implement!

Here is my Team

Alternative Tyrone Team/Tactics

1. Niall Morgan - No Free Kick Duties - Still the best keeper in Tyrone
2. Mick Mc Kernan - The New Ricey
3. HP Mc Geary - Big Strong - Plays 3 for his club - Natural defender
4. Padraig Hampsey - Strong - Mean and a natural defender
5. Toss Up Between P Harte and Mc Cann - Probably Peter Harte given he is a better defender
6. Jonathan Munroe - Strong - Huge Miss to this team - Nasty - Would have developed into another gormley
7. Meyler - Exceptional Engine Has to start - needs to become a nasty bast**d
8. Colm Cavanagh - When Fit a tremendous footballer - play him as a midfielder not a sweeper - release him to get scores
9. Richard Donnelly - potential to get us a few scores and a big engine
10. Niall Sludden - Can Score and work - hard to mark
11. Mark Bradley - Best Forward in Tyrone - Fantastic Movement - Get this man on the ball in our half
12. Frank Burns - Can Kick a score - need men in the half forward line that can score and win their own ball, provide a presence - scores a lot for Pomeroy
13. Conor Mc Aliskey - will only get stronger following knee surgery
14. Mattie Donnelly - we are looking scores and presence in the full forward line - this man would give us another dimension - also wouldn't solo as much and hold play up
15. Lee Brennan - Free Kicks, would get more room if the focus was on Donnelly and Mc Alis

You would have Meyler ahead of Tiernan McCann? I will have what you are smoking..
meyler looked a fair bit ahead on t mc cann on Sunday.

on one game, what has he done better than McCann in the last few years they have both been on the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on May 23, 2018, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 22, 2018, 02:05:47 PM

For Tyrone progression should be QF, then SF, then Final, then AI Win. If he doesn't achieve progress each year (or havea solid reaosn for not doing so) then time for someone else to get involved


So we are on target then???
2016 - QF
2017 - SF
2018 - ??

with 2 Ulster titles as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on May 23, 2018, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 23, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on May 23, 2018, 09:22:26 AM
Harte receives a lot more abuse off the ball than any other player on the team. He's harassed and bullied and gets no protection from referees or team mates. Referees need to make their helping officials more aware of these sledging matches.

I believe that affected Darren hughes and not beggan when talking about missing the international series due to scotstown championship campaign? although they were later flown out after the first test.
sledging is part of the game. The noughties team were the masters of it. It should be embraced. As for Peter getting protection from others. Would he protect them? Probably not. It wouldn't surprise me if other players resented Mickey s nephew. I would.

LOL, you resent him because you couldnt lace his boots?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 23, 2018, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: chieftain on May 23, 2018, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 23, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on May 23, 2018, 09:22:26 AM
Harte receives a lot more abuse off the ball than any other player on the team. He's harassed and bullied and gets no protection from referees or team mates. Referees need to make their helping officials more aware of these sledging matches.

I believe that affected Darren hughes and not beggan when talking about missing the international series due to scotstown championship campaign? although they were later flown out after the first test.
sledging is part of the game. The noughties team were the masters of it. It should be embraced. As for Peter getting protection from others. Would he protect them? Probably not. It wouldn't surprise me if other players resented Mickey s nephew. I would.

LOL, you resent him because you couldnt lace his boots?
I've been lacing by boots/shoes since I was seven. Pretty sure lacing his boots wouldn't be a problem. What a knob.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on May 23, 2018, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on May 23, 2018, 09:58:46 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 22, 2018, 05:58:57 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on May 22, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on May 22, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
Lets discuss what YOU would do if you were manager and what players YOUD play with the system you'd implement!

Here is my Team

Alternative Tyrone Team/Tactics

1. Niall Morgan - No Free Kick Duties - Still the best keeper in Tyrone
2. Mick Mc Kernan - The New Ricey
3. HP Mc Geary - Big Strong - Plays 3 for his club - Natural defender
4. Padraig Hampsey - Strong - Mean and a natural defender
5. Toss Up Between P Harte and Mc Cann - Probably Peter Harte given he is a better defender
6. Jonathan Munroe - Strong - Huge Miss to this team - Nasty - Would have developed into another gormley
7. Meyler - Exceptional Engine Has to start - needs to become a nasty bast**d
8. Colm Cavanagh - When Fit a tremendous footballer - play him as a midfielder not a sweeper - release him to get scores
9. Richard Donnelly - potential to get us a few scores and a big engine
10. Niall Sludden - Can Score and work - hard to mark
11. Mark Bradley - Best Forward in Tyrone - Fantastic Movement - Get this man on the ball in our half
12. Frank Burns - Can Kick a score - need men in the half forward line that can score and win their own ball, provide a presence - scores a lot for Pomeroy
13. Conor Mc Aliskey - will only get stronger following knee surgery
14. Mattie Donnelly - we are looking scores and presence in the full forward line - this man would give us another dimension - also wouldn't solo as much and hold play up
15. Lee Brennan - Free Kicks, would get more room if the focus was on Donnelly and Mc Alis

You would have Meyler ahead of Tiernan McCann? I will have what you are smoking..
meyler looked a fair bit ahead on t mc cann on Sunday.

on one game, what has he done better than McCann in the last few years they have both been on the panel?

It was noticeable when Meyler took McCanns jersey for the last few league games the team looked a lot more cohesive and got results, that much has already been mentioned on here. McCann has been a mainstay of the team for a number of years and while admittedly he is a very good athlete his football nous has been called into question a few times, I tend to agree with that, he's a GAA athlete as they say and Mickey has fallen for this nonsense in recent years tending to prefer players with great GPS metrics and overlooking other parts of their game.

Its worth mentioning too that Mickey has frozen Meyler out at times over the last couple of years and reduced him to the role of training ground fodder when he should have been much closer to the team, if not starting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
Meyler is a fab footballer. He gave a smashing, diagonal pass all of 40 metres into Brennan I think it was.something I've never seen t mc cann do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I would have preferred a half back line of Meyler, Burns and K McGeary.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I would have preferred a half back line of Meyler, Burns and K McGeary.
that was the half back line that finished the league strongly. Why did mickey have to tamper with it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on May 23, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I would have preferred a half back line of Meyler, Burns and K McGeary.
that was the half back line that finished the league strongly. Why did mickey have to tamper with it?

No, it wasn't. The half backline v Kerry included Rory Brennan and Ronan McNabb, in Mayo and v Donegal it was Harte and Meyler...Burns was at 6 in all 3 games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 23, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I would have preferred a half back line of Meyler, Burns and K McGeary.
that was the half back line that finished the league strongly. Why did mickey have to tamper with it?

No, it wasn't. The half backline v Kerry included Rory Brennan and Ronan McNabb, in Mayo and v Donegal it was Harte and Meyler...Burns was at 6 in all 3 games.
I think McNabb slows the play down, Rory Brennan hasn't started and finished a Tyrone for some time. Although Burns seemed quiet vs Monaghan he should be given a chance to gain more confidence at No.6.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on May 23, 2018, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 23, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I would have preferred a half back line of Meyler, Burns and K McGeary.
that was the half back line that finished the league strongly. Why did mickey have to tamper with it?

No, it wasn't. The half backline v Kerry included Rory Brennan and Ronan McNabb, in Mayo and v Donegal it was Harte and Meyler...Burns was at 6 in all 3 games.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Big tyrone fan STG.. If I was you id concentrate on club football in Augher, and gushing over a clogher man hitting ten points for use.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: chieftain on May 23, 2018, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 23, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I would have preferred a half back line of Meyler, Burns and K McGeary.
that was the half back line that finished the league strongly. Why did mickey have to tamper with it?

No, it wasn't. The half backline v Kerry included Rory Brennan and Ronan McNabb, in Mayo and v Donegal it was Harte and Meyler...Burns was at 6 in all 3 games.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Big tyrone fan STG.. If I was you id concentrate on club football in Augher, and gushing over a clogher man hitting ten points for use.
thanks for the advice asshole.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 23, 2018, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 23, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I would have preferred a half back line of Meyler, Burns and K McGeary.
that was the half back line that finished the league strongly. Why did mickey have to tamper with it?

No, it wasn't. The half backline v Kerry included Rory Brennan and Ronan McNabb, in Mayo and v Donegal it was Harte and Meyler...Burns was at 6 in all 3 games.
I think McNabb slows the play down, Rory Brennan hasn't started and finished a Tyrone for some time. Although Burns seemed quiet vs Monaghan he should be given a chance to gain more confidence at No.6.

Burns was quiet? I'd have had him and McAliskey as our best performers on the day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 01:23:48 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 23, 2018, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on May 23, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 23, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
I would have preferred a half back line of Meyler, Burns and K McGeary.
that was the half back line that finished the league strongly. Why did mickey have to tamper with it?

No, it wasn't. The half backline v Kerry included Rory Brennan and Ronan McNabb, in Mayo and v Donegal it was Harte and Meyler...Burns was at 6 in all 3 games.
I think McNabb slows the play down, Rory Brennan hasn't started and finished a Tyrone for some time. Although Burns seemed quiet vs Monaghan he should be given a chance to gain more confidence at No.6.

Burns was quiet? I'd have had him and McAliskey as our best performers on the day.

Seemed quiet- as compared to his performance against Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on May 23, 2018, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 22, 2018, 10:24:08 PM
Sean would want to wind the neck in at this stage. Fair enough he has a right to voice his opinion on Tyrone matters but he appears to be using  (abusing?) his position to create controversy in order to further his punditry career

If you think his criticism was bad have a look at mulligans views on the match in the irish star. He says starting 3 injured players was criminal. Also critical of tyrone during the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 23, 2018, 03:12:58 PM
Game against Kerry was glorified challenge game more passion in Sallys on a weekend night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on May 23, 2018, 03:42:41 PM

If you think his criticism was bad have a look at mulligans views on the match in the irish star. He says starting 3 injured players was criminal. Also critical of tyrone during the league.
[/quote]

Are these former players all just trying to make a name as being a controversial pundit and further their own brand?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 23, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: sidelineball on May 23, 2018, 03:42:41 PM

If you think his criticism was bad have a look at mulligans views on the match in the irish star. He says starting 3 injured players was criminal. Also critical of tyrone during the league.

Are these former players all just trying to make a name as being a controversial pundit and further their own brand?
[/quote]
Maybe its what they actually think?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 03:47:52 PM
According to the mickey lovers on here everyone who says anything negative has an agenda. Not sure what mugsy has to gain out of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 23, 2018, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 23, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: sidelineball on May 23, 2018, 03:42:41 PM

If you think his criticism was bad have a look at mulligans views on the match in the irish star. He says starting 3 injured players was criminal. Also critical of tyrone during the league.

Are these former players all just trying to make a name as being a controversial pundit and further their own brand?
Maybe its what they actually think?
[/quote]

You're not allowed to say what you think; this is Mickey Harte they're criticising
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 23, 2018, 05:08:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 23, 2018, 03:47:52 PM
According to the mickey lovers on here everyone who says anything negative has an agenda. Not sure what mugsy has to gain out of it.

Mugsy is right. It was foolhardy in the extreme to play players carrying injuries in such an important game and for me it was one of a few factors that influenced the result, but I don't accept that Sean doesn't have an agenda. His comments yesterday and the timing of his comments last week have shown him to be a little bit of a fame hungry self publicist who is doing his best to align himself with RTE and the exposure that brings.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on May 23, 2018, 06:07:55 PM
Big Sean is 100% right. Harte didn't hold back in his book to sell more copies. So why should Sean? He doesn't need Harte nor never needed him. Fair play to him.

Can't win with some people. If he says nothing he's a boring pundit, says something he's a publicity hunter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on May 23, 2018, 06:36:41 PM
Big Sean is only worried about big Sean. Always was and always will be. He was out of line stirring it up the week before a big game. Monaghan were better. We do not have an outstanding forward at this moment in time that can hold his own and hit 5/6 points a game. We are average and have to work hard to win every game. Been that way for 3 or 4 years. You men moving deckchairs don't realise that. Finally to single peter harte out shows how bitter men who want Mickey out think. Wise up. Has been one of the only quality players tribe have. Watched him twice this year in the ACL and the abuse he got in both games was incredible as was the referring in both towards him. Would love to see what O'Rourke would do with current squad. But I will not slag the men who are still loyal to the cause. One of the ex tyrone players said after the game it reminded him of the defeat against down where the tyrone supporters destroyed them. He said he has never forgiven the slabbers who shouted abuse that day and patted his back a few months later.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 23, 2018, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: DEL on May 23, 2018, 06:36:41 PM
Big Sean is only worried about big Sean. Always was and always will be. He was out of line stirring it up the week before a big game. Monaghan were better. We do not have an outstanding forward at this moment in time that can hold his own and hit 5/6 points a game. We are average and have to work hard to win every game. Been that way for 3 or 4 years. You men moving deckchairs don't realise that. Finally to single peter harte out shows how bitter men who want Mickey out think. Wise up. Has been one of the only quality players tribe have. Watched him twice this year in the ACL and the abuse he got in both games was incredible as was the referring in both towards him. Would love to see what O'Rourke would do with current squad. But I will not slag the men who are still loyal to the cause. One of the ex tyrone players said after the game it reminded him of the defeat against down where the tyrone supporters destroyed them. He said he has never forgiven the slabbers who shouted abuse that day and patted his back a few months later.

That was all a bit contrived that year about the 'critics'. 2008 when they lost a thriller to Down in a replay in the Marshes. I was there and certainly didn't hear supporters abusing players. Harte was good at creating a siege mentality which gelled the players. As for Sean... it's payback time... Cork semi-final 2009.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on May 23, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
No ex player on about on radio only a week ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 23, 2018, 10:13:55 PM
Anyone any insight into what actually happened before the Cork semi in 2009?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on May 23, 2018, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 23, 2018, 10:13:55 PM
Anyone any insight into what actually happened before the Cork semi in 2009?

Cavanagh was sick leading up to the game. There was some to'ing and fro'ing about whether he would play or not. Harte decides he's not playing, tells 1 of the McGuigans, doesn't tell Cavanagh. Said McGuigan then meets Sean in an elevator and asks how he's feeling and is sorry he can't play. That was Seans notice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 23, 2018, 11:37:37 PM
Back to a one man FF line!!

http://teamtalkmag.com/2018/05/bradley-blow-tyrone/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 23, 2018, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 23, 2018, 06:07:55 PM
Big Sean is 100% right. Harte didn't hold back in his book to sell more copies. So why should Sean? He doesn't need Harte nor never needed him. Fair play to him.

Can't win with some people. If he says nothing he's a boring pundit, says something he's a publicity hunter.

Spot on D, spot on son
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 23, 2018, 11:55:42 PM
Quote from: DEL on May 23, 2018, 06:36:41 PM
Big Sean is only worried about big Sean. Always was and always will be. He was out of line stirring it up the week before a big game. Monaghan were better. We do not have an outstanding forward at this moment in time that can hold his own and hit 5/6 points a game. We are average and have to work hard to win every game. Been that way for 3 or 4 years. You men moving deckchairs don't realise that. Finally to single peter harte out shows how bitter men who want Mickey out think. Wise up. Has been one of the only quality players tribe have. Watched him twice this year in the ACL and the abuse he got in both games was incredible as was the referring in both towards him. Would love to see what O'Rourke would do with current squad. But I will not slag the men who are still loyal to the cause. One of the ex tyrone players said after the game it reminded him of the defeat against down where the tyrone supporters destroyed them. He said he has never forgiven the slabbers who shouted abuse that day and patted his back a few months later.
Harte out Harte out Harte out Harte out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 08:06:25 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 23, 2018, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 23, 2018, 06:07:55 PM
Big Sean is 100% right. Harte didn't hold back in his book to sell more copies. So why should Sean? He doesn't need Harte nor never needed him. Fair play to him.

Can't win with some people. If he says nothing he's a boring pundit, says something he's a publicity hunter.

Spot on D, spot on son

Agree to an extent, nobody wants a boring pundit. And I don't really think we need another Brolly at least till the current one goes because there is a place for a Brolly type. Sean doesn't appear to have a great relationship with Harte and there maybe some sort of agenda on his behalf that goes back to 2009, and we're all wondering so it will be in his book if you're sceptical. I thought he has been a fair balanced pundit when not talking about Tyrone. (Maybe no love for Mayo either).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 24, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
Which players in our team would make any side in Ireland? Colm C, Harte, Sludden and if McAliskey keeps his form up from the weekend then him as well. After that, the others a pretty interchangeable.

Was really impressed with Skeet. He took the fight to Monaghan albeit on his own. Showed leadership and that sprinkling of stardust. If he keeps that form up there's no doubt he can carry Tyrone to the latter stages of the AI.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
Which players in our team would make any side in Ireland? Colm C, Harte, Sludden and if McAliskey keeps his form up from the weekend then him as well. After that, the others a pretty interchangeable.

Was really impressed with Skeet. He took the fight to Monaghan albeit on his own. Showed leadership and that sprinkling of stardust. If he keeps that form up there's no doubt he can carry Tyrone to the latter stages of the AI.

I genuinely doubt if we have any players that start on the Dublin team to be honest - that's the benchmark.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
Which players in our team would make any side in Ireland? Colm C, Harte, Sludden and if McAliskey keeps his form up from the weekend then him as well. After that, the others a pretty interchangeable.

Was really impressed with Skeet. He took the fight to Monaghan albeit on his own. Showed leadership and that sprinkling of stardust. If he keeps that form up there's no doubt he can carry Tyrone to the latter stages of the AI.

I genuinely doubt if we have any players that start on the Dublin team to be honest - that's the benchmark.

I think Sludden could be worked into the Dublin team but that's about it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 24, 2018, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
Which players in our team would make any side in Ireland? Colm C, Harte, Sludden and if McAliskey keeps his form up from the weekend then him as well. After that, the others a pretty interchangeable.

Was really impressed with Skeet. He took the fight to Monaghan albeit on his own. Showed leadership and that sprinkling of stardust. If he keeps that form up there's no doubt he can carry Tyrone to the latter stages of the AI.

I genuinely doubt if we have any players that start on the Dublin team to be honest - that's the benchmark.

I think Sludden could be worked into the Dublin team but that's about it
Your speculating from the wrong angle. The question that should be asked is how would Dublin play if Mickey Harte was their manager and how would Tyrone play if Jim Gavin was in charge?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 24, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
Which players in our team would make any side in Ireland? Colm C, Harte, Sludden and if McAliskey keeps his form up from the weekend then him as well. After that, the others a pretty interchangeable.

Was really impressed with Skeet. He took the fight to Monaghan albeit on his own. Showed leadership and that sprinkling of stardust. If he keeps that form up there's no doubt he can carry Tyrone to the latter stages of the AI.

I genuinely doubt if we have any players that start on the Dublin team to be honest - that's the benchmark.

I think Sludden could be worked into the Dublin team but that's about it

Surely Harte should be praised for getting so much out this group then if that's the case then. Definitely an air of jealousy among a few critics
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 24, 2018, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
Which players in our team would make any side in Ireland? Colm C, Harte, Sludden and if McAliskey keeps his form up from the weekend then him as well. After that, the others a pretty interchangeable.

Was really impressed with Skeet. He took the fight to Monaghan albeit on his own. Showed leadership and that sprinkling of stardust. If he keeps that form up there's no doubt he can carry Tyrone to the latter stages of the AI.

I genuinely doubt if we have any players that start on the Dublin team to be honest - that's the benchmark.

I think Sludden could be worked into the Dublin team but that's about it

Surely Harte should be praised for getting so much out this group then if that's the case then. Definitely an air of jealousy among a few critics

What has he got out of them... beat very poor Ulster teams. At least Mayo and other teams have a cut when they get to Croke Park, wont beat the Dubs but Harte went to defend a defeat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 24, 2018, 10:27:57 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 24, 2018, 10:22:43 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 24, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2018, 09:26:04 AM
Which players in our team would make any side in Ireland? Colm C, Harte, Sludden and if McAliskey keeps his form up from the weekend then him as well. After that, the others a pretty interchangeable.

Was really impressed with Skeet. He took the fight to Monaghan albeit on his own. Showed leadership and that sprinkling of stardust. If he keeps that form up there's no doubt he can carry Tyrone to the latter stages of the AI.

I genuinely doubt if we have any players that start on the Dublin team to be honest - that's the benchmark.

I think Sludden could be worked into the Dublin team but that's about it

Surely Harte should be praised for getting so much out this group then if that's the case then. Definitely an air of jealousy among a few critics

What has he got out of them... beat very poor Ulster teams. At least Mayo and other teams have a cut when they get to Croke Park, wont beat the Dubs but Harte went to defend a defeat.
Mickey Harte is probably the most jealous person on the face of the earth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 24, 2018, 10:29:35 AM
Listen lads, I think everyone is slowly starting to realize that the game is up for Harte. Get this season over, get him out and liberate this county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
4 days on from the game - is it out of the question to call for some balanced thinking? I think we are all disappointed with the result but, all things considered, the game was won by Monaghan in the last ten minutes and we entered this period without Colm Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley on the field, whereas Monaghan had they full compliment on at this stage (after bringing on McCarthy and Walshe). This was arguably the difference as a fit Colm Cav could have made the difference at midfield where we really struggled.

Also, we were level with Monaghan after 65 minutes despite injuries to the above players and with barely any of our other players playing to their full potential. I still feel that on any given day if we play well we are capable of beating any team in Ireland, possibly excluding the Dubs. So, going forward, with the right draw I feel we can reach the All Ireland final which would obviously be progress from last year and all anyone can ask for.

Finally, looking at positives coming out of the defeat, playing in the Qualifiers may give some of our less experienced men room to breathe and play their way into form in a less pressurised environment whilst getting experience at inter-county level. I'm thinking of the likes of Brennan, McClure, McShane, McKernan. With a few games under their belt i think these guys could gain momentum and really become key players as the year goes on.

With that in mind I would home we get an easy enough draw (a Division 3 team for example) in the first round and gradually face better teams as we progress. Although I think we could beat Mayo if we drew them.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 24, 2018, 11:50:14 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
4 days on from the game - is it out of the question to call for some balanced thinking? I think we are all disappointed with the result but, all things considered, the game was won by Monaghan in the last ten minutes and we entered this period without Colm Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley on the field, whereas Monaghan had they full compliment on at this stage (after bringing on McCarthy and Walshe). This was arguably the difference as a fit Colm Cav could have made the difference at midfield where we really struggled.

Also, we were level with Monaghan after 65 minutes despite injuries to the above players and with barely any of our other players playing to their full potential. I still feel that on any given day if we play well we are capable of beating any team in Ireland, possibly excluding the Dubs. So, going forward, with the right draw I feel we can reach the All Ireland final which would obviously be progress from last year and all anyone can ask for.

Finally, looking at positives coming out of the defeat, playing in the Qualifiers may give some of our less experienced men room to breathe and play their way into form in a less pressurised environment whilst getting experience at inter-county level. I'm thinking of the likes of Brennan, McClure, McShane, McKernan. With a few games under their belt i think these guys could gain momentum and really become key players as the year goes on.

With that in mind I would home we get an easy enough draw (a Division 3 team for example) in the first round and gradually face better teams as we progress. Although I think we could beat Mayo if we drew them.
Ten years of balanced thinking.. Round and round the garden...Fresh management, fresh voice, fresh ideas. The possibility of old squad players back in. Let's talk to RTE. Let's get everyone behind Tyrone again. You know the score, Harte out Now!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
4 days on from the game - is it out of the question to call for some balanced thinking? I think we are all disappointed with the result but, all things considered, the game was won by Monaghan in the last ten minutes and we entered this period without Colm Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley on the field, whereas Monaghan had they full compliment on at this stage (after bringing on McCarthy and Walshe). This was arguably the difference as a fit Colm Cav could have made the difference at midfield where we really struggled.

Also, we were level with Monaghan after 65 minutes despite injuries to the above players and with barely any of our other players playing to their full potential. I still feel that on any given day if we play well we are capable of beating any team in Ireland, possibly excluding the Dubs. So, going forward, with the right draw I feel we can reach the All Ireland final which would obviously be progress from last year and all anyone can ask for.

Finally, looking at positives coming out of the defeat, playing in the Qualifiers may give some of our less experienced men room to breathe and play their way into form in a less pressurised environment whilst getting experience at inter-county level. I'm thinking of the likes of Brennan, McClure, McShane, McKernan. With a few games under their belt i think these guys could gain momentum and really become key players as the year goes on.

With that in mind I would home we get an easy enough draw (a Division 3 team for example) in the first round and gradually face better teams as we progress. Although I think we could beat Mayo if we drew them.

I admire your positivity, but this team will not reach an All Ireland final. The legs will be gone by the time the Super 8s / Quarters finish. It's too much of an ask for a team that looked laboured in their opener v Monaghan to now win maybe 7/8 in a row with limited rest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 24, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
4 days on from the game - is it out of the question to call for some balanced thinking? I think we are all disappointed with the result but, all things considered, the game was won by Monaghan in the last ten minutes and we entered this period without Colm Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley on the field, whereas Monaghan had they full compliment on at this stage (after bringing on McCarthy and Walshe). This was arguably the difference as a fit Colm Cav could have made the difference at midfield where we really struggled.

Also, we were level with Monaghan after 65 minutes despite injuries to the above players and with barely any of our other players playing to their full potential. I still feel that on any given day if we play well we are capable of beating any team in Ireland, possibly excluding the Dubs. So, going forward, with the right draw I feel we can reach the All Ireland final which would obviously be progress from last year and all anyone can ask for.

Finally, looking at positives coming out of the defeat, playing in the Qualifiers may give some of our less experienced men room to breathe and play their way into form in a less pressurised environment whilst getting experience at inter-county level. I'm thinking of the likes of Brennan, McClure, McShane, McKernan. With a few games under their belt i think these guys could gain momentum and really become key players as the year goes on.

With that in mind I would home we get an easy enough draw (a Division 3 team for example) in the first round and gradually face better teams as we progress. Although I think we could beat Mayo if we drew them.

I admire your positivity, but this team will not reach an All Ireland final. The legs will be gone by the time the Super 8s / Quarters finish. It's too much of an ask for a team that looked laboured in their opener v Monaghan to now win maybe 7/8 in a row with limited rest.

Anyone thing regular games might help a team rather than hinder them - games get/keep players sharp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 24, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
4 days on from the game - is it out of the question to call for some balanced thinking? I think we are all disappointed with the result but, all things considered, the game was won by Monaghan in the last ten minutes and we entered this period without Colm Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley on the field, whereas Monaghan had they full compliment on at this stage (after bringing on McCarthy and Walshe). This was arguably the difference as a fit Colm Cav could have made the difference at midfield where we really struggled.

Also, we were level with Monaghan after 65 minutes despite injuries to the above players and with barely any of our other players playing to their full potential. I still feel that on any given day if we play well we are capable of beating any team in Ireland, possibly excluding the Dubs. So, going forward, with the right draw I feel we can reach the All Ireland final which would obviously be progress from last year and all anyone can ask for.

Finally, looking at positives coming out of the defeat, playing in the Qualifiers may give some of our less experienced men room to breathe and play their way into form in a less pressurised environment whilst getting experience at inter-county level. I'm thinking of the likes of Brennan, McClure, McShane, McKernan. With a few games under their belt i think these guys could gain momentum and really become key players as the year goes on.

With that in mind I would home we get an easy enough draw (a Division 3 team for example) in the first round and gradually face better teams as we progress. Although I think we could beat Mayo if we drew them.

I admire your positivity, but this team will not reach an All Ireland final. The legs will be gone by the time the Super 8s / Quarters finish. It's too much of an ask for a team that looked laboured in their opener v Monaghan to now win maybe 7/8 in a row with limited rest.

Anyone thing regular games might help a team rather than hinder them - games get/keep players sharp.

Yes this is my thinking. When Mccarron went off on Sunday our oldest player left on the pitch was 27. We have a multitude of lads around the 23/24 mark so theres no reason why our panel wont be fit for the qualifiers and super 8s. Also think going on the road against some of the southern teams could bring our lads on more than a couple of dogfights v Fermanagh and Donegal.

At the start of the year the goal was to get to the Super 8s and take it from there. That hasnt changed, and an Ulster title in the past 2 years hasn't satisfied the Harte Out brigade on here so not winning one this year is no odds.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 24, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 24, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
4 days on from the game - is it out of the question to call for some balanced thinking? I think we are all disappointed with the result but, all things considered, the game was won by Monaghan in the last ten minutes and we entered this period without Colm Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley on the field, whereas Monaghan had they full compliment on at this stage (after bringing on McCarthy and Walshe). This was arguably the difference as a fit Colm Cav could have made the difference at midfield where we really struggled.

Also, we were level with Monaghan after 65 minutes despite injuries to the above players and with barely any of our other players playing to their full potential. I still feel that on any given day if we play well we are capable of beating any team in Ireland, possibly excluding the Dubs. So, going forward, with the right draw I feel we can reach the All Ireland final which would obviously be progress from last year and all anyone can ask for.

Finally, looking at positives coming out of the defeat, playing in the Qualifiers may give some of our less experienced men room to breathe and play their way into form in a less pressurised environment whilst getting experience at inter-county level. I'm thinking of the likes of Brennan, McClure, McShane, McKernan. With a few games under their belt i think these guys could gain momentum and really become key players as the year goes on.

With that in mind I would home we get an easy enough draw (a Division 3 team for example) in the first round and gradually face better teams as we progress. Although I think we could beat Mayo if we drew them.

I admire your positivity, but this team will not reach an All Ireland final. The legs will be gone by the time the Super 8s / Quarters finish. It's too much of an ask for a team that looked laboured in their opener v Monaghan to now win maybe 7/8 in a row with limited rest.

Anyone thing regular games might help a team rather than hinder them - games get/keep players sharp.they don't need more games to keep them sharp, they need inspiration from the sideline.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
Lee Brennan out for 2 months according to teamtalk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
Lee Brennan out for 2 months according to teamtalk.

Just seen that and Bradly could face a battle with his fitness.  Anybody a phone number for Dazzler McCurry??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
Lee Brennan out for 2 months according to teamtalk.

Just seen that and Bradly could face a battle with his fitness.  Anybody a phone number for Dazzler McCurry??

Hope Ronan O'Neill didn't make any impromptu summer plans after his tantrum on Sunday...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 24, 2018, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
Lee Brennan out for 2 months according to teamtalk.

Just seen that and Bradly could face a battle with his fitness.  Anybody a phone number for Dazzler McCurry??

Hope Ronan O'Neill didn't make any impromptu summer plans after his tantrum on Sunday...

I'd say the bridge is burnt at this stage anyway - Mickey tends to hold grudges!

What about Mugsy anyone???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 01:43:03 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 24, 2018, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
Lee Brennan out for 2 months according to teamtalk.

Just seen that and Bradly could face a battle with his fitness.  Anybody a phone number for Dazzler McCurry??

Hope Ronan O'Neill didn't make any impromptu summer plans after his tantrum on Sunday...

I'd say the bridge is burnt at this stage anyway - Mickey tends to hold grudges!

What about Mugsy anyone???

Big Sean is still kicking Ball when he isn't in the RTE Studios :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
Lee Brennan out for 2 months according to teamtalk.

Just seen that and Bradly could face a battle with his fitness.  Anybody a phone number for Dazzler McCurry??

From what I seen on Sunday, Mark Bradley will be out just as long - no idea who he managed to eek out another 5-10 minutes after he was clearly unable to run.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 24, 2018, 01:50:49 PM
Phone call this evening,'hi Kyle its mickey Harte here, any chance you rejoining the panel? Kyle..'f**k off mickey'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on May 24, 2018, 01:58:41 PM
3 starting forwards out from last day, jaysus luck has deserted us on the injury front...Ronan O'Neill could be excommunicated, so in reality from the 26 togged on Sunday we have Ciaran McGeary...thats it...Mulgrew may step up.... anyone else??? McHugh??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on May 24, 2018, 01:58:41 PM
3 starting forwards out from last day, jaysus luck has deserted us on the injury front...Ronan O'Neill could be excommunicated, so in reality from the 26 togged on Sunday we have Ciaran McGeary...thats it...Mulgrew may step up.... anyone else??? McHugh??

McHugh is maybe a good shout, I haven't seen much of him outside of McKenna Cup games and apparently is doing a fair job for Aghyaran.  Harry Loughran is another that might get a chance in the forward line. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 24, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
Very surprised to hear that re Lee. Usually with a significant hamstring pull it goes straight away and it's obvious you need to go off. Lee went of without any major fuss and looked like he was taken off as he was gassed through lack of match sharpness.

I'm no Mickey loyalist, and some of the usual mouthpieces in here will be loving it, but he majorly screwed up by starting all the injured men.

Bigtogs, who are the three starting forwards? Bradley, Brennan and ?????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on May 24, 2018, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
Very surprised to hear that re Lee. Usually with a significant hamstring pull it goes straight away and it's obvious you need to go off. Lee went of without any major fuss and looked like he was taken off as he was gassed through lack of match sharpness.

I'm no Mickey loyalist, and some of the usual mouthpieces in here will be loving it, but he majorly screwed up by starting all the injured men.

Bigtogs, who are the three starting forwards? Bradley, Brennan and ?????

Peter Harte??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 24, 2018, 02:27:01 PM
I heard Brennan tore his hamstring at training on Tuesday night....you would have thought they would have taken Tuesday off!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on May 24, 2018, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: The Trap on May 24, 2018, 02:27:01 PM
I heard Brennan tore his hamstring at training on Tuesday night....you would have thought they would have taken Tuesday off!

Lots of rumours knocking about, both will be a loss as replacements are thin on the ground...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 24, 2018, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 24, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
Lee Brennan out for 2 months according to teamtalk.

Just seen that and Bradly could face a battle with his fitness.  Anybody a phone number for Dazzler McCurry??

Hope Ronan O'Neill didn't make any impromptu summer plans after his tantrum on Sunday...

If you going to play RON you need to play him at 11.  Waste of time playing him at corner forward, he doesn't have the pace or power or height to play at corner forward on the county team.  Only place he stands a chance is out the field a bit where he can get his hands on the ball and create something.  Corner forward nowadays very difficult place to play unless you have blistering speed or a bit of size.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
Very surprised to hear that re Lee. Usually with a significant hamstring pull it goes straight away and it's obvious you need to go off. Lee went of without any major fuss and looked like he was taken off as he was gassed through lack of match sharpness.

I'm no Mickey loyalist, and some of the usual mouthpieces in here will be loving it, but he majorly screwed up by starting all the injured men.

Bigtogs, who are the three starting forwards? Bradley, Brennan and ?????

I don't know Omagh Gael, Harte is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. You can be sure he would have been crucified in here if he didn't start Lee and it went wrong or we missed a few frees from that side early on. People in here were saying the injured lads played an in house game at Carton House and came through OK so if that's the case Harte was always going to start them.

Unfortunately lads get injured sometimes regardless of what the manager does, it will be a huge test of our panel now and hopefully we can get a couple of handy draws early on to at least allow Bradley and Harte time to get back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 24, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
Ronan Mc Hugh is also currently injured
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 24, 2018, 02:54:53 PM
Is Mulgrew not injured as well?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 02:56:11 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on May 24, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
Ronan Mc Hugh is also currently injured

What about Harry Loughran or Cathal McShane at full forward with McAliskey playing off them? It would be great if these injuries allowed us to stumble upon the target man full forward that we've been crying out for for the a few years now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 24, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on May 24, 2018, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
Very surprised to hear that re Lee. Usually with a significant hamstring pull it goes straight away and it's obvious you need to go off. Lee went of without any major fuss and looked like he was taken off as he was gassed through lack of match sharpness.

I'm no Mickey loyalist, and some of the usual mouthpieces in here will be loving it, but he majorly screwed up by starting all the injured men.

Bigtogs, who are the three starting forwards? Bradley, Brennan and ?????

Peter Harte??

Of course, was thinking of injuries and forgot all about his red card!

Our training (Loughmacrory) was in Garvaghey Tuesday night as pitch had work done to it. Tyrone senior team trained on next pitch. Seemed to be a very light session for no more than an hour. Obviously didn't watch too closely but no clear sign of anyone getting significant injury. Although he could have pulled up without their backs/forwards game stopping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 24, 2018, 03:38:54 PM
Is Harte definately suspended?
Is the back door not a different competition than the Ulster Championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 24, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 24, 2018, 03:38:54 PM
Is Harte definately suspended?
Is the back door not a different competition than the Ulster Championship?

Norf Tyrone ffs!  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 24, 2018, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on May 24, 2018, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 24, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
Very surprised to hear that re Lee. Usually with a significant hamstring pull it goes straight away and it's obvious you need to go off. Lee went of without any major fuss and looked like he was taken off as he was gassed through lack of match sharpness.

I'm no Mickey loyalist, and some of the usual mouthpieces in here will be loving it, but he majorly screwed up by starting all the injured men.

Bigtogs, who are the three starting forwards? Bradley, Brennan and ?????

Peter Harte??

Of course, was thinking of injuries and forgot all about his red card!

Our training (Loughmacrory) was in Garvaghey Tuesday night as pitch had work done to it. Tyrone senior team trained on next pitch. Seemed to be a very light session for no more than an hour. Obviously didn't watch too closely but no clear sign of anyone getting significant injury. Although he could have pulled up without their backs/forwards game stopping.

You go to watch your team training?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 24, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
I was training myself. Kept half an eye on pitch next door when I was avoiding puking up my guts!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on May 24, 2018, 06:00:56 PM
Thought I heard that Mulgrew was out for the year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

No canavan, is he on the squad. And no peter og
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:26:48 PM
That's a great looking team on paper, hope they go out and play well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

No canavan, is he on the squad. And no peter og

Canavan still a minor, so as far as I know I don't think he's able to play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

No canavan, is he on the squad. And no peter og

Canavan still a minor, so as far as I know I don't think he's able to play.
Same age as Antoin Fox at corner back. Think he left the panel, heard because he was playing to much football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

No canavan, is he on the squad. And no peter og

Canavan still a minor, so as far as I know I don't think he's able to play.
Same age as Antoin Fox at corner back. Think he left the panel, heard because he was playing to much football.

He could be the same age, but Canavan has an extra year at minor. There's a rule of some kind that they can't play for the u20's while they're still minors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 24, 2018, 08:21:15 PM
Fox is  a minor this year. If canavan was a year younger he would still be on the u17 team 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 24, 2018, 10:20:31 PM
lee brennan has been on the tyrone panel for over 2 years and mickey refused to start him in games even though most tyrone people wanted to see him. then he starts him when his is already injured and now he is out for 8 weeks. well done mickey. im sure the people of trillick are delighted with you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on May 25, 2018, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: WT4E on May 24, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
4 days on from the game - is it out of the question to call for some balanced thinking? I think we are all disappointed with the result but, all things considered, the game was won by Monaghan in the last ten minutes and we entered this period without Colm Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley on the field, whereas Monaghan had they full compliment on at this stage (after bringing on McCarthy and Walshe). This was arguably the difference as a fit Colm Cav could have made the difference at midfield where we really struggled.

Also, we were level with Monaghan after 65 minutes despite injuries to the above players and with barely any of our other players playing to their full potential. I still feel that on any given day if we play well we are capable of beating any team in Ireland, possibly excluding the Dubs. So, going forward, with the right draw I feel we can reach the All Ireland final which would obviously be progress from last year and all anyone can ask for.

Finally, looking at positives coming out of the defeat, playing in the Qualifiers may give some of our less experienced men room to breathe and play their way into form in a less pressurised environment whilst getting experience at inter-county level. I'm thinking of the likes of Brennan, McClure, McShane, McKernan. With a few games under their belt i think these guys could gain momentum and really become key players as the year goes on.

With that in mind I would home we get an easy enough draw (a Division 3 team for example) in the first round and gradually face better teams as we progress. Although I think we could beat Mayo if we drew them.

I admire your positivity, but this team will not reach an All Ireland final. The legs will be gone by the time the Super 8s / Quarters finish. It's too much of an ask for a team that looked laboured in their opener v Monaghan to now win maybe 7/8 in a row with limited rest.

Anyone thing regular games might help a team rather than hinder them - games get/keep players sharp.
That would depend on the opposition and beating them to get the extra matches. Not playing challenge matches could be catching up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on May 25, 2018, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

No canavan, is he on the squad. And no peter og

Canavan still a minor, so as far as I know I don't think he's able to play.
Same age as Antoin Fox at corner back. Think he left the panel, heard because he was playing to much football.

He could be the same age, but Canavan has an extra year at minor. There's a rule of some kind that they can't play for the u20's while they're still minors.

Canavan and Fox are the same age, don't think he even made the panel at the start, had a broken thumb for a while after Christmas. Also Matthew Murnaghan came out of that un17 team and in the un20 squad.

Peter Og came back and done his other hamstring last week. Also can't see Brian Kennedy playing as he also pulled up with hamstring in friendly against Galway last week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 25, 2018, 10:12:13 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on May 25, 2018, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: WT4E on May 24, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2018, 11:39:52 AM
4 days on from the game - is it out of the question to call for some balanced thinking? I think we are all disappointed with the result but, all things considered, the game was won by Monaghan in the last ten minutes and we entered this period without Colm Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley on the field, whereas Monaghan had they full compliment on at this stage (after bringing on McCarthy and Walshe). This was arguably the difference as a fit Colm Cav could have made the difference at midfield where we really struggled.

Also, we were level with Monaghan after 65 minutes despite injuries to the above players and with barely any of our other players playing to their full potential. I still feel that on any given day if we play well we are capable of beating any team in Ireland, possibly excluding the Dubs. So, going forward, with the right draw I feel we can reach the All Ireland final which would obviously be progress from last year and all anyone can ask for.

Finally, looking at positives coming out of the defeat, playing in the Qualifiers may give some of our less experienced men room to breathe and play their way into form in a less pressurised environment whilst getting experience at inter-county level. I'm thinking of the likes of Brennan, McClure, McShane, McKernan. With a few games under their belt i think these guys could gain momentum and really become key players as the year goes on.

With that in mind I would home we get an easy enough draw (a Division 3 team for example) in the first round and gradually face better teams as we progress. Although I think we could beat Mayo if we drew them.

I admire your positivity, but this team will not reach an All Ireland final. The legs will be gone by the time the Super 8s / Quarters finish. It's too much of an ask for a team that looked laboured in their opener v Monaghan to now win maybe 7/8 in a row with limited rest.

Anyone thing regular games might help a team rather than hinder them - games get/keep players sharp.
That would depend on the opposition and beating them to get the extra matches. Not playing challenge matches could be catching up.

If we can avoid Mayo in R1 I'd be confident we would make it to super 8 decider - is it round 4?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on May 25, 2018, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on May 25, 2018, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

No canavan, is he on the squad. And no peter og

Canavan still a minor, so as far as I know I don't think he's able to play.
Same age as Antoin Fox at corner back. Think he left the panel, heard because he was playing to much football.

He could be the same age, but Canavan has an extra year at minor. There's a rule of some kind that they can't play for the u20's while they're still minors.

Canavan and Fox are the same age, don't think he even made the panel at the start, had a broken thumb for a while after Christmas. Also Matthew Murnaghan came out of that un17 team and in the un20 squad.

Peter Og came back and done his other hamstring last week. Also can't see Brian Kennedy playing as he also pulled up with hamstring in friendly against Galway last week.
Emmet McNabb also carrying an injury.
As we seen with the seniors Sunday past how carrying an injury affects performance and i dont see enough quality elsewhere on that team to trouble Monaghan if McCartan, McNabb and Kennedy are carrying injuries.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on May 25, 2018, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

Quite a few names i have never heard of here.  Who would the main players be?  A bit  surprised no Carrickmore players on considering the won the minor double for this particular group of players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on May 25, 2018, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on May 25, 2018, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

No canavan, is he on the squad. And no peter og

Canavan still a minor, so as far as I know I don't think he's able to play.
Same age as Antoin Fox at corner back. Think he left the panel, heard because he was playing to much football.

He could be the same age, but Canavan has an extra year at minor. There's a rule of some kind that they can't play for the u20's while they're still minors.

Canavan and Fox are the same age, don't think he even made the panel at the start, had a broken thumb for a while after Christmas. Also Matthew Murnaghan came out of that un17 team and in the un20 squad.

Peter Og came back and done his other hamstring last week. Also can't see Brian Kennedy playing as he also pulled up with hamstring in friendly against Galway last week.

Are hamstring injuries getting more common? Seems to be a lot happening lately both at club and county level lately. Its an injury that seems much more common in GAA than other sports like soccer/rugby etc. I would have thought that with the level of training and conditioning at all levels now these type of injuries would be reducing but it does not seem to be the case.

I remember my Dad telling me  "we didnt have hamstrings in my day" ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on May 25, 2018, 05:15:44 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on May 25, 2018, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

Quite a few names i have never heard of here.  Who would the main players be?  A bit  surprised no Carrickmore players on considering the won the minor double for this particular group of players.

Well to quote Dermot Carlin who is part of the management team from an interview he did with Paddy Hunter on for the Ulster Herald the players he mentioned in order were Kennedy, Donaghy, Quinn, Gallen and McNabb.

The only one I haven't seen play this year was Donaghy. What I've seen of the others they looked the part playing senior football with their clubs.

If they can get over tonight they'll not be too far away when silverware is handed out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 25, 2018, 09:58:41 PM
Tyrone got off to a shocker tonight conceding 2 1st half goals but bosses the 2nd half, young Donaghmore lad Drayne impressed of the bench although he probably should of finished a late goal chance. Armagh next. Hopefully we can push on. Well done boys!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 25, 2018, 11:16:33 PM
Couldn't get to it but seen on Twitter that they'd 7 wides in first 22 mins as well! Great turnaround.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 26, 2018, 08:53:09 AM
Quote from: TabClear on May 25, 2018, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on May 25, 2018, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on May 24, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 24, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
U20 Team v Monaghan:

1. Benny Gallen;Aghyaran
2. Antoin Cox, Loughmacrory
3. Connor Quinn, Galbally
4. Peadar Mullan; Tattyreagh
5. Conal Grimes, Loughmacrory
6. Ryan McCusker, Dromore
7. Cahir Goodwin; Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley, Strabane
9. Brian Kennedy; Derrylaughan
10. Conor Shields, Clogher
11. Emmett McNabb, Dromore
12. Ryan Gray; Trillick
13. Tiarnan Drayne, Donaghmore
14. Mattie McGleenan, Eglish
15. Paul Donaghy, Edendork

No canavan, is he on the squad. And no peter og

Canavan still a minor, so as far as I know I don't think he's able to play.
Same age as Antoin Fox at corner back. Think he left the panel, heard because he was playing to much football.

He could be the same age, but Canavan has an extra year at minor. There's a rule of some kind that they can't play for the u20's while they're still minors.

Canavan and Fox are the same age, don't think he even made the panel at the start, had a broken thumb for a while after Christmas. Also Matthew Murnaghan came out of that un17 team and in the un20 squad.

Peter Og came back and done his other hamstring last week. Also can't see Brian Kennedy playing as he also pulled up with hamstring in friendly against Galway last week.

Are hamstring injuries getting more common? Seems to be a lot happening lately both at club and county level lately. Its an injury that seems much more common in GAA than other sports like soccer/rugby etc. I would have thought that with the level of training and conditioning at all levels now these type of injuries would be reducing but it does not seem to be the case.

I remember my Dad telling me  "we didnt have hamstrings in my day" ;D

Wouldn't say they are more common, however athletes are getting more powerful at every level. GAA has a major problem, even if I scale it back to my own club, we've a few men with shockingly massive strength which is largely useless for Gaelic Football (these days) and a lot of that contributes to imbalaces that manifest via soft tissue injury.

Anyone can go to their local GAA Club/Gym and be told to squat or deadlift (assuming they are taught correct techniques also), but very few GAA S+C coaches will teach the value of Nordic Curls/Good Mornings etc, these are vital to prevention but not as eye catching as being able to squat over 100kg, admittedly (which is largely also irrelevant for GAA for anyone younger reading this).

Another factor and one nobody really talks about in Ireland is the weather which I think plays a big part in the Hamstring/ACL 'crisis'. We as players don't know what the weather is going to be from one weekend to the next here - hard pitch? Soft pitch? So how can our bodies - take the typical (professional) surfaces of an AFL ground or Premier League pitch - every single one will be pretty much the same, maintained and generally hard to maximise stability. In the GAA we trawl from ground to ground, literally every weekend. Do you know who is accountable for maintaining your home pitch? I don't have a clue. Pitches are left to heal naturally after bad weather and then two days later a herd of 30 men are on them. It's inevitable, the game isn't to blame - it's evolved into semi professionalism at Senior Club level - the facilities are stuck in the 90s (at best). When you play 60 minutes you are breaking your body down for every minute of it (not to be dramatic), injuries are inevitable, add in the shift in power over the last 15 years of the game and that's where we are at now. 21 year olds now can lift more than 35 year olds could back in the 70s/80s.

Went on a rant there.....sorry lads, hopefully it helps someone. Nordic Curls are gods way of preventing H/S issues....

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 09:02:25 AM
Canavan is still a minor? So is he on the u-17 squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 26, 2018, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 09:02:25 AM
Canavan is still a minor? So is he on the u-17 squad?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 09:02:25 AM
Canavan is still a minor? So is he on the u-17 squad?
For goodness sake he is a minor at club level which is u18 but not at county level which is u17.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 26, 2018, 09:58:37 AM
Great advice on the Nordic curls,GOTB. If someone could get a prevention from hamstring pulls they would be a millionaire. I think a majority of injurys come the back initially
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 26, 2018, 10:00:08 AM
P.s ruari Gormley from strabane was outstanding last night in the u20 came
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 26, 2018, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 09:02:25 AM
Canavan is still a minor? So is he on the u-17 squad?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 09:02:25 AM
Canavan is still a minor? So is he on the u-17 squad?
For goodness sake he is a minor at club level which is u18 but not at county level which is u17.
So if you are u-18 for club you cant play u-20 for county?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 26, 2018, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 26, 2018, 10:00:08 AM
P.s ruari Gormley from strabane was outstanding last night in the u20 came

Was going to mention him yesterday as one to watch but never got a chance. Excellent player with a great attitude.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 26, 2018, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 26, 2018, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 09:02:25 AM
Canavan is still a minor? So is he on the u-17 squad?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 09:02:25 AM
Canavan is still a minor? So is he on the u-17 squad?
For goodness sake he is a minor at club level which is u18 but not at county level which is u17.
So if you are u-18 for club you cant play u-20 for county?
If you're U17 you can't play U20. But Antoin Fox and Mark Murnaghan as well as Canavan are no longer U17 so are eligible to play.
They are still minor for their clubs as Minor age at club level is U18, so they are naturally still playing at that level to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on May 26, 2018, 12:31:56 PM
Tyrone won last night without Daniel Kerr or Brian Kennedy. With Conall Grimes, Tiernan Drayne and Peter Og McCartan only coming on and with Emmet McNabb going off injured.
If they could ever get all these men fit and playing they would be in a good position to bring some silverware.
They look to have a seriously strong team and squad with it. I know of other Tyrone teams in the past that didn't cope with losing a few men of this calibre but not a problem with this team which is a great sign.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 26, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
I remember reading an article below that suggested that you had to be 18 to play u-20, so there was the situation where overage u-17s couldnt play. Must have been inaccurate
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on May 28, 2018, 08:50:01 AM
Meath away. Should be doable...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 28, 2018, 08:51:15 AM
OK, so away to Meath without Brennan, Bradley & Harte. What about Cavanagh & McCann?
What way should we play it?

At least this year there seemed to be some element of trying to get 3 proper scoring forwards on the pitch (2 more than last year). Do we till have 3 fit and available?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 28, 2018, 08:55:51 AM
Meath is the type of draw we needed. We don't want a division 4 side that won't be up for the battle. Going into Meath nothing is handed to you. We should still win but come away with a good hard well earned result. Happy enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 28, 2018, 09:25:53 AM
Could be easier but Meath in Navan will focus the minds. I see it's a game to the finish with a free kicking shoot out to find a winner if a draw after extra time. With Harte, Bradley and Brennan out, who would be our 5 nominated players? Skeet, Morgan?  Matty Donnelly? Sludden? Ronan O'Neill?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 28, 2018, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 28, 2018, 09:25:53 AM
Could be easier but Meath in Navan will focus the minds. I see it's a game to the finish with a free kicking shoot out to find a winner if a draw after extra time. With Harte, Bradley and Brennan out, who would be our 5 nominated players? Skeet, Morgan?  Matty Donnelly? Sludden? Ronan O'Neill?

Wouldn't like to think we will be needing a shoot out to get over Meath. It's a tough draw but very much a game we should be winning with 4+ points to spare.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 28, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 28, 2018, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 28, 2018, 09:25:53 AM
Could be easier but Meath in Navan will focus the minds. I see it's a game to the finish with a free kicking shoot out to find a winner if a draw after extra time. With Harte, Bradley and Brennan out, who would be our 5 nominated players? Skeet, Morgan?  Matty Donnelly? Sludden? Ronan O'Neill?

Wouldn't like to think we will be needing a shoot out to get over Meath. It's a tough draw but very much a game we should be winning with 4+ points to spare.

Yeah I'd hope so. But it just got me thinking about our options if that did occur. It's fairly slim pickings.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 28, 2018, 01:17:58 PM
Great article in yesterdays Irish independent by Joe brolly.. You can access it on his Twitter feed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 28, 2018, 01:38:40 PM
Joe needs to get himself a life same old drivel.He could be classed as anti tyrone for life.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 28, 2018, 01:42:33 PM
It was very accurate analysis of what happened in Omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 01:59:37 PM
Ronan o Neill man of the match for omagh yesterday kicked 5 points. Mc curry kicked 1-8 for edendork.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 28, 2018, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 28, 2018, 01:17:58 PM
Great article in yesterdays Irish independent by Joe brolly.. You can access it on his Twitter feed.

.....or you can just fcukin ignore it!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 28, 2018, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 28, 2018, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 28, 2018, 01:17:58 PM
Great article in yesterdays Irish independent by Joe brolly.. You can access it on his Twitter feed.

.....or you can just fcukin ignore it!!!

If  you don't want to hear the truth
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie53 on May 28, 2018, 04:42:44 PM
Morgan McKernan Mc Namee Hampsey Mc Nabb Matty Brennan McClure Mcnulty Burns Petey Sludden McAliskey Cavanagh O'Neil. Dare to win early ball in  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 28, 2018, 04:47:19 PM
Quote from: Archie53 on May 28, 2018, 04:42:44 PM
Morgan McKernan Mc Namee Hampsey Mc Nabb Matty Brennan McClure Mcnulty Burns Petey [] Sludden McAliskey Cavanagh O'Neil. Dare to win early ball in  ;D


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 28, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 01:42:33 PM
It was very accurate analysis of what happened in Omagh.

For someone who said he watched the game back 3 times it wasnt very acurate at all

QuoteThe Monaghan goal (not the manager's fault) is a classic illustration of the weakness of this system. Vinny came through the middle at the diagonal, unmarked, got inside the cover, took the pass, and from that point on it became a simple goal, as Tyrone players rushed to the man in possession like under 14s. Vinny, unmarked, drew the first defender and laid it off to Conor McManus, unmarked, who drew the covering player and slipped it back to Vinny to tap it into the empty net.

It was Darren Hughes that played the pass to Corey, not McManus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 28, 2018, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 28, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 01:42:33 PM
It was very accurate analysis of what happened in Omagh.

For someone who said he watched the game back 3 times it wasnt very acurate at all

QuoteThe Monaghan goal (not the manager's fault) is a classic illustration of the weakness of this system. Vinny came through the middle at the diagonal, unmarked, got inside the cover, took the pass, and from that point on it became a simple goal, as Tyrone players rushed to the man in possession like under 14s. Vinny, unmarked, drew the first defender and laid it off to Conor McManus, unmarked, who drew the covering player and slipped it back to Vinny to tap it into the empty net.

It was Darren Hughes that played the pass to Corey, not McManus

As an analysis of Tyrone's tactics... v accurate
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 28, 2018, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 28, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 01:42:33 PM
It was very accurate analysis of what happened in Omagh.

For someone who said he watched the game back 3 times it wasnt very acurate at all

QuoteThe Monaghan goal (not the manager's fault) is a classic illustration of the weakness of this system. Vinny came through the middle at the diagonal, unmarked, got inside the cover, took the pass, and from that point on it became a simple goal, as Tyrone players rushed to the man in possession like under 14s. Vinny, unmarked, drew the first defender and laid it off to Conor McManus, unmarked, who drew the covering player and slipped it back to Vinny to tap it into the empty net.

It was Darren Hughes that played the pass to Corey, not McManus

As an analysis of Tyrone's tactics... v accurate
Ok , so just accurate on the things that he didn't get completely wrong
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 28, 2018, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on May 28, 2018, 01:17:58 PM
Great article in yesterdays Irish independent by Joe brolly.. You can access it on his Twitter feed.

.....or you can just fcukin ignore it!!!
yeah just ignore it.wouldn't want to hear anyone criticize Tyrone football would we.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 28, 2018, 05:53:43 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 28, 2018, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 28, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 01:42:33 PM
It was very accurate analysis of what happened in Omagh.

For someone who said he watched the game back 3 times it wasnt very acurate at all

QuoteThe Monaghan goal (not the manager's fault) is a classic illustration of the weakness of this system. Vinny came through the middle at the diagonal, unmarked, got inside the cover, took the pass, and from that point on it became a simple goal, as Tyrone players rushed to the man in possession like under 14s. Vinny, unmarked, drew the first defender and laid it off to Conor McManus, unmarked, who drew the covering player and slipped it back to Vinny to tap it into the empty net.

It was Darren Hughes that played the pass to Corey, not McManus

As an analysis of Tyrone's tactics... v accurate
Ok , so just accurate on the things that he didn't get completely wrong

The truth will set you free. Joe is on the nail. No change to Tyrone tactics
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 28, 2018, 07:10:08 PM
On this "Tyrone manager for life stuff". How's the chopping and changing manager thing going for Derry? When Mickey took over there was nothing between the two counties. Now, there's 3 divisions and an aggregate of around 50 points in their meetings last year. Funny how his ire is always pointed at Tyrone and very rarely at the real footballing shambles in Ulster which is his own county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 28, 2018, 07:11:16 PM
Meath, fairly average team - beaten by Longford. Tyrone probably couldn't have asked for a better draw to begin the long road - maybe Kildare, but they do have some really good players just morale must be so low right now.

Tyrone will beat them handy enough in the 2nd half, whilst they lost to Monaghan, Meath have nowhere near that calibre of player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 28, 2018, 07:10:08 PM
On this "Tyrone manager for life stuff". How's the chopping and changing manager thing going for Derry? When Mickey took over there was nothing between the two counties. Now, there's 3 divisions and an aggregate of around 50 points in their meetings last year. Funny how his ire is always pointed at Tyrone and very rarely at the real footballing shambles in Ulster which is his own county.

Benny this would fall into the Catagory of fake news not even closely comparable we are talking about a manager who has been at the helm for 16 years now a better comparison is Sean Boylan and Meath and that is the future that awaits Tyrone Harte has over stayed his tenure by approximately 7-8 years and will leave a wasteland of forwards behind him can someone please name one outstanding forward that Mickey has helped give to the county over the last 10 years. That is the true legacy he is leaving behind him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 28, 2018, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 28, 2018, 07:10:08 PM
On this "Tyrone manager for life stuff". How's the chopping and changing manager thing going for Derry? When Mickey took over there was nothing between the two counties. Now, there's 3 divisions and an aggregate of around 50 points in their meetings last year. Funny how his ire is always pointed at Tyrone and very rarely at the real footballing shambles in Ulster which is his own county.

Brolly has lashed the Derry set-up and county football on numerous occasions and withdrew from Club Derry or whatever they call it when they appointed Mickey Donnelly as underage manager above his former team mates but don't suit your agenda to remember that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:15:30 PM
1950s Iggy Jones
1960s Frankie Donnelly
1970s Frank mc Guigan
1980s Eugene McKenna
1990s Peter Canavan
2000s Steven Oneill
2010s ?????? Surely he can produce one ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 28, 2018, 11:23:17 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:15:30 PM
1950s Iggy Jones
1960s Frankie Donnelly
1970s Frank mc Guigan
1980s Eugene McKenna
1990s Peter Canavan
2000s Steven Oneill
2010s ?????? Surely he can produce one ?

Sean Cavanagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 28, 2018, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:15:30 PM
1950s Iggy Jones
1960s Frankie Donnelly
1970s Frank mc Guigan
1980s Eugene McKenna
1990s Peter Canavan
2000s Steven Oneill
2010s ?????? Surely he can produce one ?
tiarnan mc cann? aiden mc crory?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 11:23:17 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:15:30 PM
1950s Iggy Jones
1960s Frankie Donnelly
1970s Frank mc Guigan
1980s Eugene McKenna
1990s Peter Canavan
2000s Steven Oneill
2010s ?????? Surely he can produce one ?

Sean Cavanagh?

Not giving you that one he peaked in 08 I am looking for a true Harte protege.......anyway not sure if he really fits in the class of natural talent of the other 6 named
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 29, 2018, 12:03:20 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 11:23:17 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:15:30 PM
1950s Iggy Jones
1960s Frankie Donnelly
1970s Frank mc Guigan
1980s Eugene McKenna
1990s Peter Canavan
2000s Steven Oneill
2010s ?????? Surely he can produce one ?

Sean Cavanagh?

Not giving you that one he peaked in 08 I am looking for a true Harte protege.......anyway not sure if he really fits in the class of natural talent of the other 6 named

I think you'll find he was most influential player since 2010 as Tyrone are finding out. No-one this decade comes close to those other players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on May 29, 2018, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 29, 2018, 12:03:20 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 11:23:17 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:15:30 PM
1950s Iggy Jones
1960s Frankie Donnelly
1970s Frank mc Guigan
1980s Eugene McKenna
1990s Peter Canavan
2000s Steven Oneill
2010s ?????? Surely he can produce one ?

Sean Cavanagh?

Not giving you that one he peaked in 08 I am looking for a true Harte protege.......anyway not sure if he really fits in the class of natural talent of the other 6 named

I think you'll find he was most influential player since 2010 as Tyrone are finding out. No-one this decade comes close to those other players.

I won't disagree with you that Sean was the most influential player since 2010 but the way Tyrone is set up prevented him from achieving a place on that list. Great player that he was not sure he achieved his true potential under Harte. I think 2009 v Cork changed the dynamic Mickey never set up his team to truely milk the best out of Sean.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 29, 2018, 12:40:41 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 29, 2018, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 29, 2018, 12:03:20 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on May 28, 2018, 11:23:17 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on May 28, 2018, 11:15:30 PM
1950s Iggy Jones
1960s Frankie Donnelly
1970s Frank mc Guigan
1980s Eugene McKenna
1990s Peter Canavan
2000s Steven Oneill
2010s ?????? Surely he can produce one ?

Sean Cavanagh?

Not giving you that one he peaked in 08 I am looking for a true Harte protege.......anyway not sure if he really fits in the class of natural talent of the other 6 named

I think you'll find he was most influential player since 2010 as Tyrone are finding out. No-one this decade comes close to those other players.

I won't disagree with you that Sean was the most influential player since 2010 but the way Tyrone is set up prevented him from achieving a place on that list. Great player that he was not sure he achieved his true potential under Harte. I think 2009 v Cork changed the dynamic Mickey never set up his team to truely milk the best out of Sean.

Having said that, I think Brian Dooher more entitled to be on 2000s list than Stephen O'Neill. In 2008 O'Neill played one game and wasn't great that day... 2003 final I think came on as sub. O'Neill was a class act but Dooher phenomenal that decade.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 29, 2018, 05:26:39 PM
Both are my own clubmates but one time I went around asking lots of different people from different counties who would they pick if they could ONLY pick one of them two and the majority went for Dooher.

Stevie hit some amazing scores on his day and in all honesty I don't think we really ever got to see how good he could have been as he had so many injuries when Canavan was at his prime. The two often didn't play on the one team that much but when they did it was a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"

Oh dear.

Washing dirty linen in public. Tyrone are a shambles - I often wonder do other counties have as much internal strife as Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 31, 2018, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"

Oh dear.

Washing dirty linen in public. Tyrone are a shambles - I often wonder do other counties have as much internal strife as Tyrone.

Check out this snowflake.  FFS its just people disagreeing with each other on the topic of football, its hardly world war 3 now is it?  Makes great reading and nice to see some real thoughts of people on the matter.  Least its something interesting to read.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 31, 2018, 09:16:51 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"
Unbelievable, does gulder mouth Devlin really think people will buy this shit. Maybe since Tony Donnelly left, the calibre of assistant manager hasn't been there!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 31, 2018, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"
incredible. We have not been ,.'very very close' in recent years and the reason we've been anywhere near it IS Sean Cavanagh. Harte, Devlin, the whole lot should be chased to f**k.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 31, 2018, 09:39:14 AM
This isn't pretty. Poor form from all involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 31, 2018, 10:04:53 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 31, 2018, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"
incredible. We have not been ,.'very very close' in recent years and the reason we've been anywhere near it IS Sean Cavanagh. Harte, Devlin, the whole lot should be chased to f**k.
Could this be described as a substantial amount of horseshit? I think it is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on May 31, 2018, 10:06:03 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 31, 2018, 09:39:14 AM
This isn't pretty. Poor form from all involved.

Absolutely. While I do not agree with the way Mickey goes about things outside football, if hes the manager  you play his way whether you agree with it or not. I thought it was poor form the way Cavanagh went about things after he retired. I'm all for ex players trying to get into the lucrative punditry market but the problem is they all seem to follow the Brolly/Dunphy methodology i.e. I ll just talk shite but I ll shout louder than everyone else and be controversial because thats what gets me airtime.

However, the comment from Devlin is pathetic. If he had said nothing it would have died a death. As an aside, you cant imagine Colm is too happy about this comment about his brother?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 31, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
I agree with much of what Sean says but Horse is right; he had the opportunity to speak out when he was on the panel.


Gaelic Weekly
33 mins ·
Gavin 'Horse' Devlin has hit back at Sean Cavanagh's criticisms of Mickey Harte's style of management and selection policy and said the Moy man had ample opportunities to voice his concerns while captaining Tyrone.

Cavanagh, claimed that Harte was "autocratic" and some players's county careers suffered as a result of the manager's perceived defensive strategy.

Cavanagh said: "Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, Kyle Coney who came through way back in 2009, 2010, Niall McKenna, there's been a flood of guys who probably have suffered because we haven't played with six attackers...

Devlin expressed his surprise at his former team-mate's analysis of Tyrone.

"We talk about what we do," said Devlin, who is assistant manager to Harte.
"I know Sean was the captain of our team for a number of years. I didn't see myself as a great player but I played in a number of successful teams. Any team that I was ever involved in always had great captains and anyone of those captains - whether it be Brian Dooher, Peter Canavan or Cormac McAnallen - they would have said something if they felt something wasn't right.
"They would come to Mickey and say: 'I think we can add value to what we're doing.'"
The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Former footballer of the year Stevie O'Neill was also recruited at the start of the season to work primarily with the Tyrone forwards.

Devlin added: "For the likes of Stevie O'Neill and those boys they've all come back and put their shoulder to the wheel. There are no big, brown envelopes in Tyrone.

"Stevie is in it for the love of the game and we're delighted to have him. We're more than comfortable the way the game is being played. Of course, you evolve and you add value to what you do – you're never the finished article.
"But I'm very comfortable with the way the game is being played and I know the set of players that we have and what they have to offer."

Cavanagh's no-holds-barred assessment of Tyrone also drew derision from his club-mate and former county star Philip Jordan.
"Myself and Sean are neighbours," wrote Jordan in his RTE GAA column.
"We played together for years and I'd have no problem telling him that I disagree 100 per cent with his comments.
"Sean is obviously thinking about his media career and he's learning from Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane about making the headlines."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 31, 2018, 10:10:47 AM
I suppose without putting Devlins comments into context makes it look bad and to be fair it doesn't look good. But Devlins point was that every previous captain would come and chat and contribute to team tactics, this is part of the process. They had many meetings with Sean regarding tactics and not once did he suggest he had any problems with the style of play or contribute to the team tactics. As soon as he leaves, he goes on a rant to RTE. I think that's a fair enough comment for Devlin to make. Canavan, Cormac and Dooher and did contribute in their role as captain - why didn't Sean if he felt so strongly about things? I don't like dirty linen being laundered in public but the media story can't all be one way traffic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 31, 2018, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 31, 2018, 10:10:47 AM
I suppose without putting Devlins comments into context makes it look bad and to be fair it doesn't look good. But Devlins point was that every previous captain would come and chat and contribute to team tactics, this is part of the process. They had many meetings with Sean regarding tactics and not once did he suggest he had any problems with the style of play or contribute to the team tactics. As soon as he leaves, he goes on a rant to RTE. I think that's a fair enough comment for Devlin to make. Canavan, Cormac and Dooher and did contribute in their role as captain - why didn't Sean if he felt so strongly about things? I don't like dirty linen being laundered in public but the media story can't all be one way traffic.

Sean seems to have a lot of anger at Mickey which I'd say goes back to the book and Cork 2009 game. Mickey hung him out to dry in that book and def was a lot of anger at time that he did that. I suppose he's bided his time to pay back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 31, 2018, 10:17:26 AM
Quote from: longballin on May 31, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
I agree with much of what Sean says but Horse is right; he had the opportunity to speak out when he was on the panel.


Gaelic Weekly
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Gavin 'Horse' Devlin has hit back at Sean Cavanagh's criticisms of Mickey Harte's style of management and selection policy and said the Moy man had ample opportunities to voice his concerns while captaining Tyrone.

Cavanagh, claimed that Harte was "autocratic" and some players's county careers suffered as a result of the manager's perceived defensive strategy.

Cavanagh said: "Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, Kyle Coney who came through way back in 2009, 2010, Niall McKenna, there's been a flood of guys who probably have suffered because we haven't played with six attackers...

Devlin expressed his surprise at his former team-mate's analysis of Tyrone.

"We talk about what we do," said Devlin, who is assistant manager to Harte.
"I know Sean was the captain of our team for a number of years. I didn't see myself as a great player but I played in a number of successful teams. Any team that I was ever involved in always had great captains and anyone of those captains - whether it be Brian Dooher, Peter Canavan or Cormac McAnallen - they would have said something if they felt something wasn't right.
"They would come to Mickey and say: 'I think we can add value to what we're doing.'"
The 2003 All-Ireland winner said he never had any problem discussing team matters with Harte during his playing days with Tyrone.

"If I had been captain, I have no doubt that I could have met Mickey and said: 'Mickey, I think this is what we should do,' or 'What about trying this?'
"I wouldn't sit and keep my mouth shut. I've had a number of conversations with Sean and he never mentioned anything about styles of play or what we should and shouldn't do. If he thought something wasn't right, as captain, why didn't he come and have a conversation with us rather than saying it in an RTE studio?
"That's my opinion on it... The captains we've had in the past, I've no doubt would have come to Mickey and had their say.
"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."

Former footballer of the year Stevie O'Neill was also recruited at the start of the season to work primarily with the Tyrone forwards.

Devlin added: "For the likes of Stevie O'Neill and those boys they've all come back and put their shoulder to the wheel. There are no big, brown envelopes in Tyrone.

"Stevie is in it for the love of the game and we're delighted to have him. We're more than comfortable the way the game is being played. Of course, you evolve and you add value to what you do – you're never the finished article.
"But I'm very comfortable with the way the game is being played and I know the set of players that we have and what they have to offer."

Cavanagh's no-holds-barred assessment of Tyrone also drew derision from his club-mate and former county star Philip Jordan.
"Myself and Sean are neighbours," wrote Jordan in his RTE GAA column.
"We played together for years and I'd have no problem telling him that I disagree 100 per cent with his comments.
"Sean is obviously thinking about his media career and he's learning from Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane about making the headlines."
"There are no big brown envelopes in Tyrone"...wow... fake news right their. Mickey Harte must be on the dole since he retired from teaching.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 31, 2018, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"

Oh dear.

Washing dirty linen in public. Tyrone are a shambles - I often wonder do other counties have as much internal strife as Tyrone.

Check out this snowflake.  FFS its just people disagreeing with each other on the topic of football, its hardly world war 3 now is it?  Makes great reading and nice to see some real thoughts of people on the matter.  Least its something interesting to read.

Exactly nice to hear some real comments as opposed to the usual jim gavin/ Harte boring cliches.

Interestingly did anyone hear wooly parkinsons podcast when he played his interview with Harte after the Monaghan game - he asked him about Cavanaghs comments and Harte said everyones entitled to their opinion and thats all I'll say on that - when it went back to Parkinson in the studio he said he didn't push the question as he got the Mickey Harte death stare which he's experienced before and thought better of it!  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2018, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 31, 2018, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"

Oh dear.

Washing dirty linen in public. Tyrone are a shambles - I often wonder do other counties have as much internal strife as Tyrone.

Check out this snowflake.  FFS its just people disagreeing with each other on the topic of football, its hardly world war 3 now is it?  Makes great reading and nice to see some real thoughts of people on the matter.  Least its something interesting to read.

Exactly nice to hear some real comments as opposed to the usual jim gavin/ Harte boring cliches.

Interestingly did anyone hear wooly parkinsons podcast when he played his interview with Harte after the Monaghan game - he asked him about Cavanaghs comments and Harte said everyones entitled to their opinion and thats all I'll say on that - when it went back to Parkinson in the studio he said he didn't push the question as he got the Mickey Harte death stare which he's experienced before and thought better of it!  ;D

It's all very well being an interesting pundit but I don't understand why Sean feels the need to target his own county. If you look at all of the other GAA pundits on TV I can't think of any others who go out of their way to do this. I'm thinking of the likes of Tomas O'Se, Ciaran Whelan, Spillane etc who all promote their own county or would even be accused of bias in favour of their own county. This doesn't stop O'Se and Whelan in particular from being insightful pundits.

They also talk about the cute Kerry 'hoorism' whereby their various pundits and columnists will, before a big game, either pile pressure on Kerry's opponents or attempt to take pressure off Kerry in some way, or in the event of some controversy they will always come out in defence of the Kerry man. I think we can all agree that Tyrone don't get the easiest time from the RTE pundits in general and I just think it would have been good for Sean to use some of his influence in this way or to put a positive spin on the team and highlight some of the quality players.

I also think it is possible to offer reasoned and constructive analysis of your own counties performance and where they could improve without resorting to the kind of digs that Cavanagh is getting in. With regards to people saying this is all down to a long standing grievance against Harte, this probably is the case but Sean's words are harming the team as a whole and his brother is obviously included in this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 31, 2018, 11:08:17 AM
Is Horse suggesting Sean's captaincy is reason for lack of success in recent years. Ouch!  Nothing to do with management then... "We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2018, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 31, 2018, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"

Oh dear.

Washing dirty linen in public. Tyrone are a shambles - I often wonder do other counties have as much internal strife as Tyrone.

Check out this snowflake.  FFS its just people disagreeing with each other on the topic of football, its hardly world war 3 now is it?  Makes great reading and nice to see some real thoughts of people on the matter.  Least its something interesting to read.

Exactly nice to hear some real comments as opposed to the usual jim gavin/ Harte boring cliches.

Interestingly did anyone hear wooly parkinsons podcast when he played his interview with Harte after the Monaghan game - he asked him about Cavanaghs comments and Harte said everyones entitled to their opinion and thats all I'll say on that - when it went back to Parkinson in the studio he said he didn't push the question as he got the Mickey Harte death stare which he's experienced before and thought better of it!  ;D

It's all very well being an interesting pundit but I don't understand why Sean feels the need to target his own county. If you look at all of the other GAA pundits on TV I can't think of any others who go out of their way to do this. I'm thinking of the likes of Tomas O'Se, Ciaran Whelan, Spillane etc who all promote their own county or would even be accused of bias in favour of their own county. This doesn't stop O'Se and Whelan in particular from being insightful pundits.

They also talk about the cute Kerry 'hoorism' whereby their various pundits and columnists will, before a big game, either pile pressure on Kerry's opponents or attempt to take pressure off Kerry in some way, or in the event of some controversy they will always come out in defence of the Kerry man. I think we can all agree that Tyrone don't get the easiest time from the RTE pundits in general and I just think it would have been good for Sean to use some of his influence in this way or to put a positive spin on the team and highlight some of the quality players.

I also think it is possible to offer reasoned and constructive analysis of your own counties performance and where they could improve without resorting to the kind of digs that Cavanagh is getting in. With regards to people saying this is all down to a long standing grievance against Harte, this probably is the case but Sean's words are harming the team as a whole and his brother is obviously included in this.

Sorry just to clarify - I was talking about real comments from Devlin not Cavanagh - I personally think Cavanagh was wrong and is not a good pundit and is only being controversial to line his pockets - Sean was a first class player but I always thought he was more selfish than others.

I think the best pundits on RTE from Tyrone where McGuigan and Jordan but the relationship between RTE and Tyrone is so bad they will be more than happy to have the ex captain on every week saying controversial things about his own county - what a legend... hey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 31, 2018, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 31, 2018, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: take_yer_points on May 31, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Gavin Devlin biting back at Sean Cavanagh in the Irish News today

"We've been very, very close in recent years and we didn't get over the line to win an All-Ireland. Maybe that's what was missing, that calibre of captaincy"

Oh dear.

Washing dirty linen in public. Tyrone are a shambles - I often wonder do other counties have as much internal strife as Tyrone.

Check out this snowflake.  FFS its just people disagreeing with each other on the topic of football, its hardly world war 3 now is it?  Makes great reading and nice to see some real thoughts of people on the matter.  Least its something interesting to read.

I don't think you got the point lad. But yes, it is interesting reading.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on May 31, 2018, 11:51:32 AM
So after a morning of debate on the matter, we've all come to the conclusion that it is greedy, selfish Sean Cavanagh s fault Tyrone will struggle to the super 8s! Someone hand me the oxygen mask I'm falling over laughing. The best thing Colm Cavanagh can do now in solidarity with his brother is walk out of this road to nowhere. Harte out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on May 31, 2018, 11:51:48 AM
It seems Sean Cavanagh does not do irony. Barely a week after his criticism of Tyrone's defensive system, he is now eulogising the Paddy Tallys influence in Galway ober on the GAA website:

"Everyone has this beautiful idea where football has to be thrown back to the 90s where it'll be 15 v 15 and it'll be shootouts every day. It's just not the way football is played nowadays...It's easy to throw stones and abuse these defensive shapes but they're defensive shapes that work....It's all about winning matches".
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 12:11:34 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 31, 2018, 11:51:48 AM
It seems Sean Cavanagh does not do irony. Barely a week after his criticism of Tyrone's defensive system, he is now eulogising the Paddy Tallys influence in Galway ober on the GAA website:

"Everyone has this beautiful idea where football has to be thrown back to the 90s where it'll be 15 v 15 and it'll be shootouts every day. It's just not the way football is played nowadays...It's easy to throw stones and abuse these defensive shapes but they're defensive shapes that work....It's all about winning matches".

Was Sean's criticism not the lack of flexibility in the defensive system employed by Tyrone?  Tyrone only knew how to play one system and didn't have a plan B or have the ability to change it up?  I think Gavin Devlin has made a huge error for acknowledging Cavanagh's comments but then going further to question Sean's contribution to to panel during his time as captain.  As some posters already have said.  A penny for Colm Cavanagh's thoughts?  Our only real leader left on the panel has potentially been side-lined by inappropriate comments from Gavin Devlin.  If anything had to be said I think Mickey had the right approach, Sean is entitled to his opinion and leave it at that.  They have a job to do with the current squad that his comments may have compromised.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2018, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: Archie53 on May 28, 2018, 04:42:44 PM
Morgan McKernan Mc Namee Hampsey Mc Nabb Matty Brennan McClure Mcnulty Burns Petey Sludden McAliskey Cavanagh O'Neil. Dare to win early ball in  ;D

I would LOVE to see someone like Colm Cavanagh tried in their at FF at least at some stage of the game just to give us a new focus or different tactic. Can you imagine Sparky and Lee Brennan feeding off him so Colm doesn't even have to turn his man but just leave it off. I dont mean of the Meath game of course as I know they're all injured.

Alas I fear though that Mickey is way to conservative and he's kinda backed into a corner now that he knows when (NOT IF) we lose this year the knives will be out for him again.

Also would be interesting to see Burns play at MF where he played for the U21s that year and I think CHB is Matties best position with someone covering him when he pushes forward.

In my eyes we're not gonna win Sam anyway so we should be trying to get the team into a good place this year and develop the new lads a bit further.

My wish list would be
1. Morgan needs to STOP hitting ANY FREES. No ifs or buts. He's kickouts are mostly good though.

2. Now that we're out of Ulster and can't do 3 in a row, should we forget about the blanket and go 6-2-6 and
    start encouraging forwards to take their man on rather than all this turn back and recycle the ball.

3. Teams see us set up with 9 defenders so then they mirror that and so the stage is set for a slog fest.
    The way we play is not encouraging forwards to take risks and play with freedom. Everything is so rehearsed
    and players are scared to make a mistake and tell Mickey what they really think. Will RoN be punished for his
    outburst the last day? I'm not  fan but he has to start the next day as we've so little others. Is Mulgrew fit?

4. We need some players to stand up and be leaders. Besides CC and maybe McCarron, who else do you see talking to the other players and shouting encouragement or roaring at others to wake up. So many players are passive and almost scared to rock the boat.

5. All good teams have a hard man or a dirty player. Philly McMahon, Johnny Cooper, Keegan, Higgins, Boyle.
    Can you name one player we have now like that. Everyone is so soft and scared to get a card. Mattie maybe.

6. I can't see McCarron staying around much longer so should we be using this qualifiers to give experience to
    young McKernan and HP McGeary. Why has Rory Brennan not saw more game time in the last few years. Any
    time I've watched him play he's been great.

7.  Will Mickey ever take Petey off if he's not playing well or being harassed so much that he's just not effective?

8.  Is Skeet back to himself or even better. He looked in great nick v the Farney fold and if he gets the right ball
     into him can do some damage


My starting 15 v Meath would be

Morgan
McKernan
McNamee
HP Sauce
R.Brennan
Hampsey
Meyler
Burns
Cathal McShane
Mulgrew
Sludden
Richie Donnelly
Skeet
Mattie - Has not been given a good chance at FF with decent ball kicked into him.
RoN

Have we any left foot free takers now?

Re Sean C. Has he not always been like this, where he shoots from the hip and often comes out with crazy lines.
IMHO he loves the limelight and always has and with a book on the way he knows the more controversy he stirs up the more of a frenzy people will have to buy the book.
This speaking out against the manager has all the hall marks of Roy Keane v Ferguson in my eyes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 31, 2018, 12:24:20 PM
Zidane leaves Real Madrid as one of the club's most successful managers having won three Champions Leagues, two Fifa Club World Cups and one La Liga title.

"I've taken the decision to not continue next year as Real Madrid coach," Zidane told reporters.

"This is the right moment for everyone, it might seem a bit strange, but it had to be done for the good of everyone, the players, the club, and myself. This team must keep winning, and it needs a change after three years, another voice, another method of working."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 31, 2018, 12:39:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2018, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: Archie53 on May 28, 2018, 04:42:44 PM
Morgan McKernan Mc Namee Hampsey Mc Nabb Matty Brennan McClure Mcnulty Burns Petey Sludden McAliskey Cavanagh O'Neil. Dare to win early ball in  ;D

I would LOVE to see someone like Colm Cavanagh tried in their at FF at least at some stage of the game just to give us a new focus or different tactic. Can you imagine Sparky and Lee Brennan feeding off him so Colm doesn't even have to turn his man but just leave it off. I dont mean of the Meath game of course as I know they're all injured.

Alas I fear though that Mickey is way to conservative and he's kinda backed into a corner now that he knows when (NOT IF) we lose this year the knives will be out for him again.

Also would be interesting to see Burns play at MF where he played for the U21s that year and I think CHB is Matties best position with someone covering him when he pushes forward.

In my eyes we're not gonna win Sam anyway so we should be trying to get the team into a good place this year and develop the new lads a bit further.

My wish list would be
1. Morgan needs to STOP hitting ANY FREES. No ifs or buts. He's kickouts are mostly good though.

2. Now that we're out of Ulster and can't do 3 in a row, should we forget about the blanket and go 6-2-6 and
    start encouraging forwards to take their man on rather than all this turn back and recycle the ball.

3. Teams see us set up with 9 defenders so then they mirror that and so the stage is set for a slog fest.
    The way we play is not encouraging forwards to take risks and play with freedom. Everything is so rehearsed
    and players are scared to make a mistake and tell Mickey what they really think. Will RoN be punished for his
    outburst the last day? I'm not  fan but he has to start the next day as we've so little others. Is Mulgrew fit?

4. We need some players to stand up and be leaders. Besides CC and maybe McCarron, who else do you see talking to the other players and shouting encouragement or roaring at others to wake up. So many players are passive and almost scared to rock the boat.

5. All good teams have a hard man or a dirty player. Philly McMahon, Johnny Cooper, Keegan, Higgins, Boyle.
    Can you name one player we have now like that. Everyone is so soft and scared to get a card. Mattie maybe.

6. I can't see McCarron staying around much longer so should we be using this qualifiers to give experience to
    young McKernan and HP McGeary. Why has Rory Brennan not saw more game time in the last few years. Any
    time I've watched him play he's been great.

7.  Will Mickey ever take Petey off if he's not playing well or being harassed so much that he's just not effective?

8.  Is Skeet back to himself or even better. He looked in great nick v the Farney fold and if he gets the right ball
     into him can do some damage


My starting 15 v Meath would be

Morgan
McKernan
McNamee
HP Sauce
R.Brennan
Hampsey
Meyler
Burns
Cathal McShane
Mulgrew
Sludden
Richie Donnelly
Skeet
Mattie - Has not been given a good chance at FF with decent ball kicked into him.
RoN

Have we any left foot free takers now?

Re Sean C. Has he not always been like this, where he shoots from the hip and often comes out with crazy lines.
IMHO he loves the limelight and always has and with a book on the way he knows the more controversy he stirs up the more of a frenzy people will have to buy the book.
This speaking out against the manager has all the hall marks of Roy Keane v Ferguson in my eyes.


I think your right regarding pushing Matty Donnelly up front for this game Fuzz. We need to add some serious threat as we will be far too predictable without. Watching Donegal last weekend, they have a well worked out system to get their corner forwards into possession, working the ball inside then popping to the corner forward (usually McBreaty) who has made a run on the loop who shoots within a second of gaining possession. He knows where he is receiving the ball and clearly has practiced that shot time and time again. The other lad in the corner (his name escapes me) scored twice this way too. I can see Ronan O'Neill, Lee Brennan, Skeet and even Peter Harte flourishing under this type of approach from time to time. Currently, we have Brennan rushing into the corner to pick up a 10 yard pass with his man up in arse and his back to goal. Donegal scored two of their first three points this way on Sunday and Derry were wary of it so next time Leo McLoone (I think) faked the pass, which put him through to set up a goal chance. With the shackles of Ulster gone, we need to trying out more expansive tactics, including what to do with a free from 50m.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 12:11:34 PM
Was Sean's criticism not the lack of flexibility in the defensive system employed by Tyrone?  Tyrone only knew how to play one system and didn't have a plan B or have the ability to change it up?  I think Gavin Devlin has made a huge error for acknowledging Cavanagh's comments but then going further to question Sean's contribution to to panel during his time as captain.  As some posters already have said.  A penny for Colm Cavanagh's thoughts?  Our only real leader left on the panel has potentially been side-lined by inappropriate comments from Gavin Devlin his brother.  If anything had to be said I think Mickey had the right approach, Sean is entitled to his opinion and leave it at that.  They have a job to do with the current squad that his comments may have compromised.

Fixed that for you.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 12:11:34 PM
Was Sean's criticism not the lack of flexibility in the defensive system employed by Tyrone?  Tyrone only knew how to play one system and didn't have a plan B or have the ability to change it up?  I think Gavin Devlin has made a huge error for acknowledging Cavanagh's comments but then going further to question Sean's contribution to to panel during his time as captain.  As some posters already have said.  A penny for Colm Cavanagh's thoughts?  Our only real leader left on the panel has potentially been side-lined by inappropriate comments from Gavin Devlin his brother.  If anything had to be said I think Mickey had the right approach, Sean is entitled to his opinion and leave it at that.  They have a job to do with the current squad that his comments may have compromised.

Fixed that for you.  ;)

I'm not looking to take sides, both said things that were ill judged and badly timed.  I jst feel the management of Tyrone should be looking at the bigger picture and not looking for cheap shots in the media.  Everyone knows why Sean is speaking out to create a media profile for himself.  The response was ridiculous, regardless of comment Cavanagh is one of the greatest ever to pull on a county jersey.  Will we see a response to Owen Mulligan as well?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on May 31, 2018, 03:03:38 PM
Horse wouldn't be the sharpest tool in the box in fairness. Never really knew when to keep his mouth shut.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on May 31, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on May 31, 2018, 03:03:38 PM
Horse wouldn't be the sharpest tool in the box in fairness. Never really knew when to keep his mouth shut.

He should have said neigh thing   ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on May 31, 2018, 04:21:47 PM
horse is welded to mickey permanently so we could assume his comments on cavanagh are mickeys re. the captaincy. Very very close to an all ireland comment sounds like a mickey one too, if only con callaghan had not cheated and neglected his defensive work!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 12:11:34 PM
Was Sean's criticism not the lack of flexibility in the defensive system employed by Tyrone?  Tyrone only knew how to play one system and didn't have a plan B or have the ability to change it up?  I think Gavin Devlin has made a huge error for acknowledging Cavanagh's comments but then going further to question Sean's contribution to to panel during his time as captain.  As some posters already have said.  A penny for Colm Cavanagh's thoughts?  Our only real leader left on the panel has potentially been side-lined by inappropriate comments from Gavin Devlin his brother.  If anything had to be said I think Mickey had the right approach, Sean is entitled to his opinion and leave it at that.  They have a job to do with the current squad that his comments may have compromised.

Fixed that for you.  ;)

I'm not looking to take sides, both said things that were ill judged and badly timed.  I jst feel the management of Tyrone should be looking at the bigger picture and not looking for cheap shots in the media.  Everyone knows why Sean is speaking out to create a media profile for himself.  The response was ridiculous, regardless of comment Cavanagh is one of the greatest ever to pull on a county jersey.  Will we see a response to Owen Mulligan as well?

Hate this type of comment once you give an honest opinion on someone you get this "but sure he is an unbelievable footballer" - Its the same when you try to say maybe its time for Mickey to step down/get the road - "but sure he won us 3 all irelands!!!"

Sean Cavanagh made the comments and put his brother in this position had he not made the comments there was nothing to reply too - and to add to it after the game he tells us that Colm wasn't injured and didnt want to come off! Spare me the Cavanagh Fandom!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 12:11:34 PM
Was Sean's criticism not the lack of flexibility in the defensive system employed by Tyrone?  Tyrone only knew how to play one system and didn't have a plan B or have the ability to change it up?  I think Gavin Devlin has made a huge error for acknowledging Cavanagh's comments but then going further to question Sean's contribution to to panel during his time as captain.  As some posters already have said.  A penny for Colm Cavanagh's thoughts?  Our only real leader left on the panel has potentially been side-lined by inappropriate comments from Gavin Devlin his brother.  If anything had to be said I think Mickey had the right approach, Sean is entitled to his opinion and leave it at that.  They have a job to do with the current squad that his comments may have compromised.

Fixed that for you.  ;)

I'm not looking to take sides, both said things that were ill judged and badly timed.  I jst feel the management of Tyrone should be looking at the bigger picture and not looking for cheap shots in the media.  Everyone knows why Sean is speaking out to create a media profile for himself.  The response was ridiculous, regardless of comment Cavanagh is one of the greatest ever to pull on a county jersey.  Will we see a response to Owen Mulligan as well?

Hate this type of comment once you give an honest opinion on someone you get this "but sure he is an unbelievable footballer" - Its the same when you try to say maybe its time for Mickey to step down/get the road - "but sure he won us 3 all irelands!!!"

Sean Cavanagh made the comments and put his brother in this position had he not made the comments there was nothing to reply too - and to add to it after the game he tells us that Colm wasn't injured and didnt want to come off! Spare me the Cavanagh Fandom!

Mickey has been a great manager and delivered 3 all Ireland's, that's true and I'd never criticize him for that. But as older players lose their legs and can no longer sustain the pace I think the same of Mickey. The time is right for a new voice.

However my point was that the commentary by Devlin was unnecessary, is this personal opinion or is Gavin acting as Mickey's puppet? What is the opinion of the county board regarding this interview? Everything Cavanagh said is hard to argue with, Tyrone were locked in a defensive system with no back up plan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on May 31, 2018, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on May 31, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on May 31, 2018, 12:11:34 PM
Was Sean's criticism not the lack of flexibility in the defensive system employed by Tyrone?  Tyrone only knew how to play one system and didn't have a plan B or have the ability to change it up?  I think Gavin Devlin has made a huge error for acknowledging Cavanagh's comments but then going further to question Sean's contribution to to panel during his time as captain.  As some posters already have said.  A penny for Colm Cavanagh's thoughts?  Our only real leader left on the panel has potentially been side-lined by inappropriate comments from Gavin Devlin his brother.  If anything had to be said I think Mickey had the right approach, Sean is entitled to his opinion and leave it at that.  They have a job to do with the current squad that his comments may have compromised.

Fixed that for you.  ;)

I'm not looking to take sides, both said things that were ill judged and badly timed.  I jst feel the management of Tyrone should be looking at the bigger picture and not looking for cheap shots in the media.  Everyone knows why Sean is speaking out to create a media profile for himself.  The response was ridiculous, regardless of comment Cavanagh is one of the greatest ever to pull on a county jersey.  Will we see a response to Owen Mulligan as well?

Hate this type of comment once you give an honest opinion on someone you get this "but sure he is an unbelievable footballer" - Its the same when you try to say maybe its time for Mickey to step down/get the road - "but sure he won us 3 all irelands!!!"

Sean Cavanagh made the comments and put his brother in this position had he not made the comments there was nothing to reply too - and to add to it after the game he tells us that Colm wasn't injured and didnt want to come off! Spare me the Cavanagh Fandom!

Mickey has been a great manager and delivered 3 all Ireland's, that's true and I'd never criticize him for that. But as older players lose their legs and can no longer sustain the pace I think the same of Mickey. The time is right for a new voice.

However my point was that the commentary by Devlin was unnecessary, is this personal opinion or is Gavin acting as Mickey's puppet? What is the opinion of the county board regarding this interview? Everything Cavanagh said is hard to argue with, Tyrone were locked in a defensive system with no back up plan.

I'd say this is Devlin making his case to be Mickey's assistant again next year, because we all know that when it goes belly-up, the assistant's get the cull.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 31, 2018, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 31, 2018, 10:10:47 AM
I suppose without putting Devlins comments into context makes it look bad and to be fair it doesn't look good. But Devlins point was that every previous captain would come and chat and contribute to team tactics, this is part of the process. They had many meetings with Sean regarding tactics and not once did he suggest he had any problems with the style of play or contribute to the team tactics. As soon as he leaves, he goes on a rant to RTE. I think that's a fair enough comment for Devlin to make. Canavan, Cormac and Dooher and did contribute in their role as captain - why didn't Sean if he felt so strongly about things? I don't like dirty linen being laundered in public but the media story can't all be one way traffic.
benny dont be talking shite about 'the process', we are not dublin, we do not have jim gavin as manager. there is no process. just a shambles. for what its worth i think cavanagh is right in what he said but i just wish he would have spoken up more while he was playing rather than wait til now. but nobody can  say he was not a good captain. he led on the pitch and dragged us through alot of games on his own.we surely wouldnt have won ulster final 2016 without him and many other games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on May 31, 2018, 09:20:12 PM
So the men who had Cavanagh as Captain for about 6 or 7 years now say he was a dung captain and thats why we never won an all ireland???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: yellowcard on May 31, 2018, 09:34:42 PM
I'm certainly no fan of Mickey Harte but Cavanagh has been somewhat surprisingly critical of the Tyrone management since he left. Unless there was some sort of personal grievance that wasn't obvious whilst he was playing then it does seem peculiar. Either that or he is just trying to kick start his media career. I wouldn't be Cavanaghs biggest fan either since it always appeared to be all about the 'me' and not the team. It appears to me as though he has taken the populist approach and is playing to the gallery since there already exists plenty of anti Harte sentiment in Tyrone. However whether you like him or not, it has shown a fierce sense of disloyalty on Cavanaghs part and Harte will have been stung by his comments.

Devlin hitting back in some sort of tit for tat war isn't going to help unless he is very confident that Cavanagh hasn't been sowing seeds of disaffection among his former team mates with his comments. The fact that his brother is still a key part of the set up only adds to the intrigue. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on May 31, 2018, 11:35:31 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2018, 09:34:42 PM
I'm certainly no fan of Mickey Harte but Cavanagh has been somewhat surprisingly critical of the Tyrone management since he left. Unless there was some sort of personal grievance that wasn't obvious whilst he was playing then it does seem peculiar. Either that or he is just trying to kick start his media career. I wouldn't be Cavanaghs biggest fan either since it always appeared to be all about the 'me' and not the team. It appears to me as though he has taken the populist approach and is playing to the gallery since there already exists plenty of anti Harte sentiment in Tyrone. However whether you like him or not, it has shown a fierce sense of disloyalty on Cavanaghs part and Harte will have been stung by his comments.

Devlin hitting back in some sort of tit for tat war isn't going to help unless he is very confident that Cavanagh hasn't been sowing seeds of disaffection among his former team mates with his comments. The fact that his brother is still a key part of the set up only adds to the intrigue.

In fairness micky has had amicable relationships with players before when their family members were putting the boot in eg Frank mcguigans infamous article regarding Mark harte..... maybe shea mcguigan paying the price for that one now though  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 01, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
Franks 'infamous' article was penned in 2005. 3 years later his son was scoring a goal for Tyrone in an All Ireland Final. Hardly suggests Harte had a grievance with clan  McGuigan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 01, 2018, 07:10:18 AM
Quote from: The Trap on May 31, 2018, 12:24:20 PM
Zidane leaves Real Madrid as one of the club's most successful managers having won three Champions Leagues, two Fifa Club World Cups and one La Liga title.

"I've taken the decision to not continue next year as Real Madrid coach," Zidane told reporters.

"This is the right moment for everyone, it might seem a bit strange, but it had to be done for the good of everyone, the players, the club, and myself. This team must keep winning, and it needs a change after three years, another voice, another method of working."

Will zidane ever have as great a compliment as to be compared to Harte. Fair play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 01, 2018, 09:28:59 AM
Meath game live on Sky. Interesting to note, when they last met in 2013 big Sean Cavanagh was the difference between the two teams. A real captains role you could say. Larry and Moe on the sideline should bare that in mind come next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on June 01, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 01, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
Franks 'infamous' article was penned in 2005. 3 years later his son was scoring a goal for Tyrone in an All Ireland Final. Hardly suggests Harte had a grievance with clan  McGuigan.

Don't think you understood what I was saying ol Han.  I agreed with you sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 01, 2018, 11:30:13 AM
Ruairi Sludden has been drafted into the panel accoridng to my source. Skeet has picked up an injury as has Hampsey.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 01, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on June 01, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 01, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
Franks 'infamous' article was penned in 2005. 3 years later his son was scoring a goal for Tyrone in an All Ireland Final. Hardly suggests Harte had a grievance with clan  McGuigan.

Don't think you understood what I was saying ol Han.  I agreed with you sure.

We re on same wavelength ok. I just don't think Shea is out because of the article.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 01, 2018, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 01, 2018, 11:30:13 AM
Ruairi Sludden has been drafted into the panel accoridng to my source. Skeet has picked up an injury as has Hampsey.

Jaysis, half the men on this board might get a call up at this stage!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 01, 2018, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 01, 2018, 11:30:13 AM
Ruairi Sludden has been drafted into the panel accoridng to my source. Skeet has picked up an injury as has Hampsey.
You sure about those injuries ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 01, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
You'd be well pissed off if you're training since January, didn't make the 26 last day Sludden comes in and walks onto a panel. Strange bringing someone in at this stage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 01, 2018, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 01, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
You'd be well pissed off if you're training since January, didn't make the 26 last day Sludden comes in and walks onto a panel. Strange bringing someone in at this stage

I'd say it's more to cover a few injuries, fairly sensible I'd say. If however, when he joins the panel he performs well enough then he shouldn't be treated any differently.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 01, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
What's the story with the likes of Mchugh and Harry Loughran? Are they fit and avaialbe?

If RoN gets a starting jersey he'll be under huge pressure to make an impact. Hopefully he gets his form back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 01, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 01, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
You'd be well pissed off if you're training since January, didn't make the 26 last day Sludden comes in and walks onto a panel. Strange bringing someone in at this stage
Its not strange if you're short of players. If he makes a panel ahead of someone like a fit Ronan Mc Hugh then that would be strange
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 01, 2018, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 01, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 01, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
You'd be well pissed off if you're training since January, didn't make the 26 last day Sludden comes in and walks onto a panel. Strange bringing someone in at this stage
Its not strange if you're short of players. If he makes a panel ahead of someone like a fit Ronan Mc Hugh then that would be strange

It would be good to see McHugh and Loughran given a decent opportunity in a championship game. But hopefully we can help them by working on a strategy to get them on the ball in scoring positions and not running into corners or 50 yards out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 01, 2018, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 01, 2018, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 01, 2018, 11:30:13 AM
Ruairi Sludden has been drafted into the panel accoridng to my source. Skeet has picked up an injury as has Hampsey.
You sure about those injuries ?

Sludden playing tonight.

So....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on June 03, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 01, 2018, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 01, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 01, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
You'd be well pissed off if you're training since January, didn't make the 26 last day Sludden comes in and walks onto a panel. Strange bringing someone in at this stage
Its not strange if you're short of players. If he makes a panel ahead of someone like a fit Ronan Mc Hugh then that would be strange

It would be good to see McHugh and Loughran given a decent opportunity in a championship game. But hopefully we can help them by working on a strategy to get them on the ball in scoring positions and not running into corners or 50 yards out.

Mc Hugh played a Mc Kenna cup game. Was it the final v Donegal? He was shocking, I know everyone deserves a second chance but now is not the time to be experimenting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 03, 2018, 07:28:58 AM
Quote from: trileacman on June 03, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 01, 2018, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 01, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 01, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
You'd be well pissed off if you're training since January, didn't make the 26 last day Sludden comes in and walks onto a panel. Strange bringing someone in at this stage
Its not strange if you're short of players. If he makes a panel ahead of someone like a fit Ronan Mc Hugh then that would be strange

It would be good to see McHugh and Loughran given a decent opportunity in a championship game. But hopefully we can help them by working on a strategy to get them on the ball in scoring positions and not running into corners or 50 yards out.

Mc Hugh played a Mc Kenna cup game. Was it the final v Donegal? He was shocking, I know everyone deserves a second chance but now is not the time to be experimenting.

With three of your best forwards out and very little left to replace them, then I think we may have no choice but to experiment a little. If he's not good enough, why bother keeping him on the squad? If he's on the panel then he should be an option for selection. A poor McKenna cup game in January shouldn't be the be all and end all of a county career. If he's poor again in a championship game in June then we'll know for sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 03, 2018, 08:00:36 AM
Mchugh is injured. Don't be surprised to see sludden get game time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on June 03, 2018, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 01, 2018, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 01, 2018, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 01, 2018, 11:30:13 AM
Ruairi Sludden has been drafted into the panel accoridng to my source. Skeet has picked up an injury as has Hampsey.
You sure about those injuries ?

Sludden playing tonight.

So....

Suppose he wouldn't be down as a starred player so probably happy to play for club.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 03, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 03, 2018, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 03, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.

Is McCurry not heading to the States?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 03, 2018, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 03, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.
So the player has to ring up Mickey to get a spot on the panel? I've never heard anything as stupid in my life. The players have to run after Harte now? Just goes to show how big an ego the autocratic one has it this moment! LOL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 03, 2018, 12:00:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 01, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
What's the story with the likes of Mchugh and Harry Loughran? Are they fit and avaialbe?

If RoN gets a starting jersey he'll be under huge pressure to make an impact. Hopefully he gets his form back.
Both injured.
Sludden over the last number of years has been the form forward in club football. Delighted to see him get a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 03, 2018, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 03, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.
So the player has to ring up Mickey to get a spot on the panel? I've never heard anything as stupid in my life. The players have to run after Harte now? Just goes to show how big an ego the autocratic one has it this moment! LOL
must ring mickey myself see if hed let me play full forward. been a few years since i played but could be doin with shiftin my beer belly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 03, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 03, 2018, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 03, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.
So the player has to ring up Mickey to get a spot on the panel? I've never heard anything as stupid in my life. The players have to run after Harte now? Just goes to show how big an ego the autocratic one has it this moment! LOL
must ring mickey myself see if hed let me play full forward. been a few years since i played but could be doin with shiftin my beer belly.

I'm not sure we're that desperate that we'll be calling up Fermanagh men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 03, 2018, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 03, 2018, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 03, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.
So the player has to ring up Mickey to get a spot on the panel? I've never heard anything as stupid in my life. The players have to run after Harte now? Just goes to show how big an ego the autocratic one has it this moment! LOL
must ring mickey myself see if hed let me play full forward. been a few years since i played but could be doin with shiftin my beer belly.

I'm not sure we're that desperate that we'll be calling up Fermanagh men.
Mcurry left on good terms. He wanted a break and got it. He might leave it to next year maybe
Time for you to start getting some exercise you big turd STG
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 03, 2018, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on June 03, 2018, 12:00:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 01, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
What’s the story with the likes of Mchugh and Harry Loughran? Are they fit and avaialbe?

If RoN gets a starting jersey he’ll be under huge pressure to make an impact. Hopefully he gets his form back.
Both injured.
Sludden over the last number of years has been the form forward in club football. Delighted to see him get a chance.

The best forward in the county who wasnt on the county panel is Connor O Donnell

Also Mc Curry did not leave on good terms. Redzone you are a one man pr machine
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
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Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.
So the player has to ring up Mickey to get a spot on the panel? I've never heard anything as stupid in my life. The players have to run after Harte now? Just goes to show how big an ego the autocratic one has it this moment! LOL
must ring mickey myself see if hed let me play full forward. been a few years since i played but could be doin with shiftin my beer belly.

I'm not sure we're that desperate that we'll be calling up Fermanagh men.
the Fermanagh men done today what Tyrone couldn't.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on June 03, 2018, 04:34:52 PM
Mickey Harte must be sitting at home thinking if only i'd set up like last year we'd be in the Ulster Final right now...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 03, 2018, 05:59:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 03, 2018, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 03, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.
So the player has to ring up Mickey to get a spot on the panel? I've never heard anything as stupid in my life. The players have to run after Harte now? Just goes to show how big an ego the autocratic one has it this moment! LOL
must ring mickey myself see if hed let me play full forward. been a few years since i played but could be doin with shiftin my beer belly.

I'm not sure we're that desperate that we'll be calling up Fermanagh men.
the Fermanagh men done today what Tyrone couldn't.lol

Well done today STG. No doubt you weren't there today in Healy Park supporting your county in their victory over Monaghan but try and make an effort to make the Ulster Final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 03, 2018, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
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Quote from: Thebigdog on June 03, 2018, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 03, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 03, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on June 03, 2018, 08:45:42 AM
Fluidity is what the squad needs. Form club players should be drafted in.. remember paudge Quinn in 86. Panel fodder should be let go.
agree with this. if your burnin up the club pitches then you deserve a shot at it. mc curry seems to be the in form forward in tyrone at the minute, 1-8 again the last day. get on the phone to him.
Ball is in mccurrys court, not hard to make a phone call to micky.
So the player has to ring up Mickey to get a spot on the panel? I've never heard anything as stupid in my life. The players have to run after Harte now? Just goes to show how big an ego the autocratic one has it this moment! LOL
must ring mickey myself see if hed let me play full forward. been a few years since i played but could be doin with shiftin my beer belly.

I'm not sure we're that desperate that we'll be calling up Fermanagh men.
the Fermanagh men done today what Tyrone couldn't.lol

Congrats
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Aye he done pre season training with tyrone for the craic..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 04, 2018, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Aye he done pre season training with tyrone for the craic..
While the autocratic one was building a system around his lazy nephew unfortunately players like Darren McCurry and the rest were and still are cannon fodder to Harte. It's nothing short of a scandal. It's no surprise to me that Peter Harte gets dogs abuse in the ACL.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2018, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Aye he done pre season training with tyrone for the craic..

Sorry I'm confused, what do you mean?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Aye he done pre season training with tyrone for the craic..

Sorry I'm confused, what do you mean?

Confused indeed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Aye he done pre season training with tyrone for the craic..

Sorry I'm confused, what do you mean?

Confused indeed

Nope. You've completely lost me. If you want to explain your comment go for, if not, it makes no odds to me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 04, 2018, 01:03:29 PM
Tyrone trying to become more offensve minded by keeping 2-3 players up the field and couldn't beat monaghan. Fermanagh play 15 men behind the ball and with a certain degree of nastiness and aggression which I can only assume was manager influenced, beat monaghan yesterday.

Us tyrone supporters want mickey to move away from the defensive structure which he is trying to do, but yet it doesn't win games. What can anyone suggest?

Whats the story with Quigley or why wasn't he playing? Eoin Donnelly a true leader.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 04, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on June 04, 2018, 01:03:29 PM
Tyrone trying to become more offensve minded by keeping 2-3 players up the field and couldn't beat monaghan. Fermanagh play 15 men behind the ball and with a certain degree of nastiness and aggression which I can only assume was manager influenced, beat monaghan yesterday.

Us tyrone supporters want mickey to move away from the defensive structure which he is trying to do, but yet it doesn't win games. What can anyone suggest?

Whats the story with Quigley or why wasn't he playing? Eoin Donnelly a true leader.
We could talk about tactics till the cows come home. As far I'm concerned their is too much other crap going in Tyrone with Harte,  Roisin Jordan, RTE, politics and all the wasted talent discarded by him. People are just sick to the back teeth looking at him listening to him, a bad coach, a bad man manager. JUST GO. Ps anyone thinks Meath will be lying down to us. I don't think so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2018, 01:48:14 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on June 04, 2018, 01:03:29 PM
Tyrone trying to become more offensve minded by keeping 2-3 players up the field and couldn't beat monaghan. Fermanagh play 15 men behind the ball and with a certain degree of nastiness and aggression which I can only assume was manager influenced, beat monaghan yesterday.

Us tyrone supporters want mickey to move away from the defensive structure which he is trying to do, but yet it doesn't win games. What can anyone suggest?

Whats the story with Quigley or why wasn't he playing? Eoin Donnelly a true leader.

Win or lose he's on the booze.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Bit of a poor comment - If he wanted to go to the US he has had 3/4 previous years as an 'established' county player. Now he's a normal club player who was used sparingly in the league after a sending off in Galway (I think).

Don't blame him one bit for heading away, it's the fellas on the panel hanging around never seemingly kicking on I would look at from a Tyrone County Football point of view, nobody seems to ask questions of these lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 01:48:14 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on June 04, 2018, 01:03:29 PM
Tyrone trying to become more offensve minded by keeping 2-3 players up the field and couldn't beat monaghan. Fermanagh play 15 men behind the ball and with a certain degree of nastiness and aggression which I can only assume was manager influenced, beat monaghan yesterday.

Us tyrone supporters want mickey to move away from the defensive structure which he is trying to do, but yet it doesn't win games. What can anyone suggest?

Whats the story with Quigley or why wasn't he playing? Eoin Donnelly a true leader.

Win or lose he's on the booze.

With the recently called up Tyrone senior player, ironically enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 04, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
I heard McCurry has 20,000 reasons for wanting to go to the States....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 04, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 04, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
I heard McCurry has 20,000 reasons for wanting to go to the States....
I think its actually 22,000 reasons. Diarmuid Connolly also going to the states not sure which club though. Darren is going to Parnells.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
Whos the recently called up Tyrone Player GOTB?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on June 04, 2018, 02:22:36 PM
Not a Tyrone man, so don't care what McCurry is doing, but is it not time the GAA put a stop to this by banning transfers in the middle of the year. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 04, 2018, 02:35:50 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 04, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 04, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
I heard McCurry has 20,000 reasons for wanting to go to the States....
I think its actually 22,000 reasons. Diarmuid Connolly also going to the states not sure which club though. Darren is going to Parnells.

Out of curiosity, what is the motivation for these clubs and their sponsors to pay this kind of money to bring players out for a couple of months?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Bit of a poor comment - If he wanted to go to the US he has had 3/4 previous years as an 'established' county player. Now he's a normal club player who was used sparingly in the league after a sending off in Galway (I think).

Don't blame him one bit for heading away, it's the fellas on the panel hanging around never seemingly kicking on I would look at from a Tyrone County Football point of view, nobody seems to ask questions of these lads.

Sorry - I don't understand. What is poor about it? When he left the Tyrone Panel he was planning to go to the states. What is your issue with that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Bit of a poor comment - If he wanted to go to the US he has had 3/4 previous years as an 'established' county player. Now he's a normal club player who was used sparingly in the league after a sending off in Galway (I think).

Don't blame him one bit for heading away, it's the fellas on the panel hanging around never seemingly kicking on I would look at from a Tyrone County Football point of view, nobody seems to ask questions of these lads.

Sorry - I don't understand. What is poor about it? When he left the Tyrone Panel he was planning to go to the states. What is your issue with that?

How do you know this? Seems presumptuous without having any evidence. Maybe the lad was pissed off with how things were going and as one door closed, another opened. Too easy to just something negative. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
Whos the recently called up Tyrone Player GOTB?

Ruairi Sludden.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2018, 03:31:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Bit of a poor comment - If he wanted to go to the US he has had 3/4 previous years as an 'established' county player. Now he's a normal club player who was used sparingly in the league after a sending off in Galway (I think).

Don't blame him one bit for heading away, it's the fellas on the panel hanging around never seemingly kicking on I would look at from a Tyrone County Football point of view, nobody seems to ask questions of these lads.

Sorry - I don't understand. What is poor about it? When he left the Tyrone Panel he was planning to go to the states. What is your issue with that?

How do you know this? Seems presumptuous without having any evidence. Maybe the lad was pissed off with how things were going and as one door closed, another opened. Too easy to just something negative.

So he didn't pack Tyrone in for the States?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 04, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
Whos the recently called up Tyrone Player GOTB?

Ruairi Sludden.

Did he not play in the starred game at the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 04, 2018, 03:55:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 04, 2018, 02:35:50 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 04, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 04, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
I heard McCurry has 20,000 reasons for wanting to go to the States....
I think its actually 22,000 reasons. Diarmuid Connolly also going to the states not sure which club though. Darren is going to Parnells.

Out of curiosity, what is the motivation for these clubs and their sponsors to pay this kind of money to bring players out for a couple of months?

22k is only buttons to some of the business men over in the States, Take some man who been in America his lifetime, loves the Gaa and is getting a chance to see top class gaa men come over and play for his adopted American club! Also some bars sponsor teams and put the money towards a marquee player, in return busy nights in the bars pay the fee off and good publicity!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 03:31:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Bit of a poor comment - If he wanted to go to the US he has had 3/4 previous years as an 'established' county player. Now he's a normal club player who was used sparingly in the league after a sending off in Galway (I think).

Don't blame him one bit for heading away, it's the fellas on the panel hanging around never seemingly kicking on I would look at from a Tyrone County Football point of view, nobody seems to ask questions of these lads.

Sorry - I don't understand. What is poor about it? When he left the Tyrone Panel he was planning to go to the states. What is your issue with that?

How do you know this? Seems presumptuous without having any evidence. Maybe the lad was pissed off with how things were going and as one door closed, another opened. Too easy to just something negative.

So he didn't pack Tyrone in for the States?

I don't think you are getting the point here. It's very easy to say that he's quit Tyrone for US as it's a good negative story, everyone loves a bit of scandal and makes a lad look sneaky.

How do you know that the US hasn't just come up since he left the panel? Which was what, maybe 2 months ago now? Did Diarmuid Connolly quit Dublin for the states? Or was the US a by product of his availability? These are amateur players - I don't think anyone deserves to be slated online for getting a few quid for themselves over the summer. Edendork might not be thrilled but sure that's life, every club loses players every summer and I'm sure they would rather he goes to play football than a serious injury like some unfortunate lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 04, 2018, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 03:31:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Bit of a poor comment - If he wanted to go to the US he has had 3/4 previous years as an 'established' county player. Now he's a normal club player who was used sparingly in the league after a sending off in Galway (I think).

Don't blame him one bit for heading away, it's the fellas on the panel hanging around never seemingly kicking on I would look at from a Tyrone County Football point of view, nobody seems to ask questions of these lads.

Sorry - I don't understand. What is poor about it? When he left the Tyrone Panel he was planning to go to the states. What is your issue with that?

How do you know this? Seems presumptuous without having any evidence. Maybe the lad was pissed off with how things were going and as one door closed, another opened. Too easy to just something negative.

So he didn't pack Tyrone in for the States?

I don't think you are getting the point here. It's very easy to say that he's quit Tyrone for US as it's a good negative story, everyone loves a bit of scandal and makes a lad look sneaky.

How do you know that the US hasn't just come up since he left the panel? Which was what, maybe 2 months ago now? Did Diarmuid Connolly quit Dublin for the states? Or was the US a by product of his availability? These are amateur players - I don't think anyone deserves to be slated online for getting a few quid for themselves over the summer. Edendork might not be thrilled but sure that's life, every club loses players every summer and I'm sure they would rather he goes to play football than a serious injury like some unfortunate lads.

Are you Darren McCurry's Mum or why are you getting your knickers in a twist over this GOTB? Darren left the panel supposedly because he couldn't make training due to work commitments. Then two months later it transpires he will be leaving work to spend the summer in the states. It's a fair assumption to make that this was in his mind all along. And I don't think anyone in here is blaming him or judging him as we would all be the first to jump on a plane for the kind of money that's been bandied about
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on June 04, 2018, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 04, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 04, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
I heard McCurry has 20,000 reasons for wanting to go to the States....
I think its actually 22,000 reasons. Diarmuid Connolly also going to the states not sure which club though. Darren is going to Parnells.

Surely his "Record" might prevent him from passing immigration??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 04, 2018, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 03:31:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 04, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
McCurry is away to the States. Looks like that was his plan all along.

Bit of a poor comment - If he wanted to go to the US he has had 3/4 previous years as an 'established' county player. Now he's a normal club player who was used sparingly in the league after a sending off in Galway (I think).

Don't blame him one bit for heading away, it's the fellas on the panel hanging around never seemingly kicking on I would look at from a Tyrone County Football point of view, nobody seems to ask questions of these lads.

Sorry - I don't understand. What is poor about it? When he left the Tyrone Panel he was planning to go to the states. What is your issue with that?

How do you know this? Seems presumptuous without having any evidence. Maybe the lad was pissed off with how things were going and as one door closed, another opened. Too easy to just something negative.

So he didn't pack Tyrone in for the States?

I don't think you are getting the point here. It's very easy to say that he's quit Tyrone for US as it's a good negative story, everyone loves a bit of scandal and makes a lad look sneaky.

How do you know that the US hasn't just come up since he left the panel? Which was what, maybe 2 months ago now? Did Diarmuid Connolly quit Dublin for the states? Or was the US a by product of his availability? These are amateur players - I don't think anyone deserves to be slated online for getting a few quid for themselves over the summer. Edendork might not be thrilled but sure that's life, every club loses players every summer and I'm sure they would rather he goes to play football than a serious injury like some unfortunate lads.

Are you Darren McCurry's Mum or why are you getting your knickers in a twist over this GOTB? Darren left the panel supposedly because he couldn't make training due to work commitments. Then two months later it transpires he will be leaving work to spend the summer in the states. It's a fair assumption to make that this was in his mind all along. And I don't think anyone in here is blaming him or judging him as we would all be the first to jump on a plane for the kind of money that's been bandied about

It's on the county board, he's not a county player. It's not really any of my concern where the lad goes but it's hardly worth getting in a fuss about someone not in the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 04, 2018, 10:56:18 PM
So after Monaghans no show yesterday were does that leave us now. Beggan had a nightmare and just shows you how highly we are rated when Monaghan played it as if it was a final. f**k we didn't half hand that game on a plate to them. Can't wait to micky gets the troops rolling against on Saturday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 04, 2018, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

No
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 04, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?
serious amount of apathy towards the county team even among people who would have been die hard supporters.it no suprise though with all the shite that goes on and to be honest we would be as well gettin beat on saturday then harte will have to go and we can start afresh next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 12:17:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 04, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?
serious amount of apathy towards the county team even among people who would have been die hard supporters.it no suprise though with all the shite that goes on and to be honest we would be as well gettin beat on saturday then harte will have to go and we can start afresh next year.
I'm really hoping on Saturday Colm Cavanagh collects the ball in his own full back line, turns and shoots into his own net. Then moonwalks over to Harte and Devlin in the Tyrone dugout, arms out  and shouts woooo like the WWE wrestler ric flair... that would be so cool and so badass. Please do it Colm!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 05, 2018, 12:45:42 AM
Do you think fermanagh fans are moaning about their style of play? About how defensive they are playing this year? The problem is the lot of you moaners are spoilt. Spoilt. 16years of harte success has left yous expecting Tyrone to win the all Irelands every year playing swash buckling football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 12:52:50 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2018, 12:45:42 AM
Do you think fermanagh fans are moaning about their style of play? About how defensive they are playing this year? The problem is the lot of you moaners are spoilt. Spoilt. 16years of harte success has left yous expecting Tyrone to win the all Irelands every year playing swash buckling football.
Tyrone haven't seriously competed for an All Ireland in ten years. During that time the football hss become terrible to watch plus all the underage talent has been fired into the dustbin.Anyway most Tyrone people don't want a DUP voter managing their Senior GAA team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

How many Tyrone people told you that they wanted Tyrone beaten on Saturday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on June 05, 2018, 09:00:35 AM
Thebigdog and Southtyronegael....gwan STFU and stop reposting variations of the same message twenty times a day. Seriously...fcuk off. You are boring everyone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 05, 2018, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

How many Tyrone people told you that they wanted Tyrone beaten on Saturday?

Dunno maybe 8 or 9 and many more who said they couldn't care less
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 05, 2018, 09:00:35 AM
Thebigdog and Southtyronegael....gwan STFU and stop reposting variations of the same message twenty times a day. Seriously...fcuk off. You are boring everyone.
we only seem to boring you Snapchat with your variation of attacks on me and STG. Get stuffed hon the royalers!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 05, 2018, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 04, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?
serious amount of apathy towards the county team even among people who would have been die hard supporters.it no suprise though with all the shite that goes on and to be honest we would be as well gettin beat on saturday then harte will have to go and we can start afresh next year.

I agree. Tyrone's biggest problem is their lack of positive support towards the players and team. Surely the negativity rubs off on the players. Any team needs their supporters fully behind them to be successful. Unfortunately the problem with our supporters is we only get behind them when they are successful. The never ending negative media against Tyrone rubs of on us supporters. What ever the papers say we listen, agree and believe what they are saying.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 05, 2018, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on June 05, 2018, 09:31:29 AM
Quote from: Club boi on June 04, 2018, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 04, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 04, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
I heard McCurry has 20,000 reasons for wanting to go to the States....
I think its actually 22,000 reasons. Diarmuid Connolly also going to the states not sure which club though. Darren is going to Parnells.

Surely his "Record" might prevent him from passing immigration??

Why? Was he in the Ra or something - please elaborate.

Was he not done a couple of times for assault or something?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 12:17:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 04, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?
serious amount of apathy towards the county team even among people who would have been die hard supporters.it no suprise though with all the shite that goes on and to be honest we would be as well gettin beat on saturday then harte will have to go and we can start afresh next year.
I'm really hoping on Saturday Colm Cavanagh collects the ball in his own full back line, turns and shoots into his own net. Then moonwalks over to Harte and Devlin in the Tyrone dugout, arms out  and shouts woooo like the WWE wrestler ric flair... that would be so cool and so badass. Please do it Colm!!

Seriously - how old are you?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 05, 2018, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 12:17:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 04, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?
serious amount of apathy towards the county team even among people who would have been die hard supporters.it no suprise though with all the shite that goes on and to be honest we would be as well gettin beat on saturday then harte will have to go and we can start afresh next year.
I'm really hoping on Saturday Colm Cavanagh collects the ball in his own full back line, turns and shoots into his own net. Then moonwalks over to Harte and Devlin in the Tyrone dugout, arms out  and shouts woooo like the WWE wrestler ric flair... that would be so cool and so badass. Please do it Colm!!

Seriously - how old are you?

Age may not be the issue here


MORON
noun
1.
a retarded person mentally equal to a child between eight and twelve years old
an obsolescent term see also mental retardation
2.
a very foolish or stupid person
Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 05, 2018, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 12:17:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 04, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?
serious amount of apathy towards the county team even among people who would have been die hard supporters.it no suprise though with all the shite that goes on and to be honest we would be as well gettin beat on saturday then harte will have to go and we can start afresh next year.
I'm really hoping on Saturday Colm Cavanagh collects the ball in his own full back line, turns and shoots into his own net. Then moonwalks over to Harte and Devlin in the Tyrone dugout, arms out  and shouts woooo like the WWE wrestler ric flair... that would be so cool and so badass. Please do it Colm!!

Seriously - how old are you?

Age may not be the issue here


MORON
noun
1.
a retarded person mentally equal to a child between eight and twelve years old
an obsolescent term see also mental retardation
2.
a very foolish or stupid person
Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.
You have just described yourself perfectly, well done. Harte out. Not an inch and no surrender! TAL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 05, 2018, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 12:17:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 04, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?
serious amount of apathy towards the county team even among people who would have been die hard supporters.it no suprise though with all the shite that goes on and to be honest we would be as well gettin beat on saturday then harte will have to go and we can start afresh next year.
I'm really hoping on Saturday Colm Cavanagh collects the ball in his own full back line, turns and shoots into his own net. Then moonwalks over to Harte and Devlin in the Tyrone dugout, arms out  and shouts woooo like the WWE wrestler ric flair... that would be so cool and so badass. Please do it Colm!!

Seriously - how old are you?

Age may not be the issue here


MORON
noun
1.
a retarded person mentally equal to a child between eight and twelve years old
an obsolescent term see also mental retardation
2.
a very foolish or stupid person
Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.
You have just described yourself perfectly, well done. Harte out. Not an inch and no surrender! TAL

That's sooooo cool BigDog. High five?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on June 05, 2018, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 05, 2018, 09:00:35 AM
Thebigdog and Southtyronegael....gwan STFU and stop reposting variations of the same message twenty times a day. Seriously...fcuk off. You are boring everyone.
we only seem to boring you Snapchat with your variation of attacks on me and STG. Get stuffed hon the royalers!
How about you maybe read back up the page and then reconsider your notion that I'm the only person that f8nds you irritating. The board's general consensus seems to be that you are an immature little mouthpiece.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2018, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

How many Tyrone people told you that they wanted Tyrone beaten on Saturday?

Dunno maybe 8 or 9 and many more who said they couldn't care less
.

8 or 9. Lol you made it sound a lot more you twit.   And they all formed an orderly queue to tell you this did they ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 01:29:53 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2018, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

How many Tyrone people told you that they wanted Tyrone beaten on Saturday?

Dunno maybe 8 or 9 and many more who said they couldn't care less
.

8 or 9. Lol you made it sound a lot more you twit.   And they all formed an orderly queue to tell you this did they ?
IL be hoping for a Meath win on Saturday. Let's just call it tough love.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 05, 2018, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 01:29:53 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2018, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

How many Tyrone people told you that they wanted Tyrone beaten on Saturday?

Dunno maybe 8 or 9 and many more who said they couldn't care less
.

8 or 9. Lol you made it sound a lot more you twit.   And they all formed an orderly queue to tell you this did they ?
IL be hoping for a Meath win on Saturday. Let's just call it tough love.

Your a fine tyrone gael
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on June 05, 2018, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on June 05, 2018, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on June 05, 2018, 09:31:29 AM
Quote from: Club boi on June 04, 2018, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 04, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 04, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
I heard McCurry has 20,000 reasons for wanting to go to the States....
I think its actually 22,000 reasons. Diarmuid Connolly also going to the states not sure which club though. Darren is going to Parnells.

Surely his "Record" might prevent him from passing immigration??

Why? Was he in the Ra or something - please elaborate.

Was he not done a couple of times for assault or something?

Criminal record for at least 2 assaults, I know something a lot less stopped friends from getting into the states, although, suppose they wernt Dermo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 05, 2018, 08:04:35 PM
Any more withdrawals from the squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 05, 2018, 09:45:09 PM
Watching the Monaghan game here again. We went 5-2 and Marty Clarke said he never seen Tyrone play as well and it looked like Tyrone could well steam roll Monaghan, and you couldn't disagree with it. Then it went tits up. They made us go long on our kickouts and cleaned us out and sparky got injured. Added to that some terrible tackling from McShane, brutal shot selection from Mccarron, mcnamee, Hampsey and burns. All defenders too. At 32 min we lead 7-5 with skeet having been pulled down by wylie while through on goal without even a card been produced. Rather than go in 6-7 points up we go in 2 points down. I have to say the ref was terrible.
I'd honestly rather ruari sludden started on sat than ronan oneill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 05, 2018, 09:53:19 PM
yeah sure wel stick ruairi sludden up front on his own and kick no ball into him and see how he gets on. harte might be a thick, bitter man but if he refuses to play ronan o neill and plays a lad that has been dropped into the panel then it can only spell more trouble
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 05, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
Bullshit. Mcaliskiy was up in the forwards as well how come he got on so much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 05, 2018, 10:08:49 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 05, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
Bullshit. Mcaliskiy was up in the forwards as well how come he got on so much.
ok 2 up at times but still very little ball being kicked into them esp in second half when we were cleaned out round the middle
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 05, 2018, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2018, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

How many Tyrone people told you that they wanted Tyrone beaten on Saturday?

Dunno maybe 8 or 9 and many more who said they couldn't care less
.

8 or 9. Lol you made it sound a lot more you twit.   And they all formed an orderly queue to tell you this did they ?

No they didn't form an orderly queue was just different conversations I had with people. Twit? is this an English sitcom?  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 10:56:20 PM
I couldn't care less if Tyrone play the most dog awful tactics on Saturday with every single player behind the ball and we scrape through by 2 points to 1. I never ever want a Tyrone team to lose to anyone....especially those Meath hoors. But then again the likes of BigDog wouldn't hsve been around in the days when they kicked us up and down the park like little boys as we tried to play our lovely crowd/RTE friendly football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 05, 2018, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 10:56:20 PM
I couldn't care less if Tyrone play the most dog awful tactics on Saturday with every single player behind the ball and we scrape through by 2 points to 1. I never ever want a Tyrone team to lose to anyone....especially those Meath hoors. But then again the likes of BigDog wouldn't hsve been around in the days when they kicked us up and down the park like little boys as we tried to play our lovely crowd/RTE friendly football.
yeahs its dublin who kick us up and down the park now. il go as far as saying that this is probably the least aggressive tyrone team i have seen going back to the mid 80s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on June 06, 2018, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 05, 2018, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 10:56:20 PM
I couldn't care less if Tyrone play the most dog awful tactics on Saturday with every single player behind the ball and we scrape through by 2 points to 1. I never ever want a Tyrone team to lose to anyone....especially those Meath hoors. But then again the likes of BigDog wouldn't hsve been around in the days when they kicked us up and down the park like little boys as we tried to play our lovely crowd/RTE friendly football.
yeahs its dublin who kick us up and down the park now. il go as far as saying that this is probably the least aggressive tyrone team i have seen going back to the mid 80s.

You mean 1985 as in mid 80s not 1984-1986 don't you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 06, 2018, 06:33:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 05, 2018, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 10:56:20 PM
I couldn't care less if Tyrone play the most dog awful tactics on Saturday with every single player behind the ball and we scrape through by 2 points to 1. I never ever want a Tyrone team to lose to anyone....especially those Meath hoors. But then again the likes of BigDog wouldn't hsve been around in the days when they kicked us up and down the park like little boys as we tried to play our lovely crowd/RTE friendly football.
yeahs its dublin who kick us up and down the park now. il go as far as saying that this is probably the least aggressive tyrone team i have seen going back to the mid 80s.

Then you'll remember Dublin hammering us in Croke Park in 1984. It's not a new phenomenon. I wonder if Tyrone fans  of that era hoped Derry would beat us in the first round in 1985 or again after we squeezed past Antrim after a relay in 1987 and then got thumped by an Armagh avalanche of goals in Irvinestown. Remember we were All Ireland contenders in those years too and there we were getting dumped out by poor Armagh and Derry teams. We may not have played men behind the ball in those days but the football definitely wasn't pretty at times either. I wonder how many were hammering Big Art who had been in the job a long time at that point? Or maybe people just had a bit more realism and respect in those days?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 07:56:05 AM
big Art didnt have the back door to fall back on, only for it mickey would have just one all ireland. and yes people had alot more respect for Art as he is a thoroughly decent, likeable man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 06, 2018, 07:57:03 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 05, 2018, 09:45:09 PM
Watching the Monaghan game here again. We went 5-2 and Marty Clarke said he never seen Tyrone play as well and it looked like Tyrone could well steam roll Monaghan, and you couldn't disagree with it. Then it went tits up. They made us go long on our kickouts and cleaned us out and sparky got injured. Added to that some terrible tackling from McShane, brutal shot selection from Mccarron, mcnamee, Hampsey and burns. All defenders too. At 32 min we lead 7-5 with skeet having been pulled down by wylie while through on goal without even a card been produced. Rather than go in 6-7 points up we go in 2 points down. I have to say the ref was terrible.
I'd honestly rather ruari sludden started on sat than ronan oneill

And dont forget that Con O Callaghan was lazy in his tracking back etc etc etc ...

We were beaten by a team who were beaten by Fermanagh. Just let that sink in before you continue to make stupid excuses
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 06, 2018, 08:10:54 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 07:56:05 AM
big Art didnt have the back door to fall back on, only for it mickey would have just one all ireland. and yes people had alot more respect for Art as he is a thoroughly decent, likeable man.

Only one All Ireland is not to be sniffed at when you have never won one. We were All Ireland runners up when Iggy Gallagher rescued us v Antrim and Armagh slammed 5 goals past us the next day out. I'd imagine your angry contemporary equivalents at the time without the access to social media giving off stink and wanting big Art out in the local pub or where ever, regardless of how decent he was. Or maybe it was the supporters who were a little bit more decent and likeable back then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 06, 2018, 08:12:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 05, 2018, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2018, 10:56:20 PM
I couldn't care less if Tyrone play the most dog awful tactics on Saturday with every single player behind the ball and we scrape through by 2 points to 1. I never ever want a Tyrone team to lose to anyone....especially those Meath hoors. But then again the likes of BigDog wouldn't hsve been around in the days when they kicked us up and down the park like little boys as we tried to play our lovely crowd/RTE friendly football.
yeahs its dublin who kick us up and down the park now. il go as far as saying that this is probably the least aggressive tyrone team i have seen going back to the mid 80s.
If your talking about Meath 96, I was there on the hill. Even though they were subject to a lot of dirt  from the opposition the Tyrone boys battled hard on the day. Dinky McBride, Dooher and wee Peter showed plenty of bravery unlike last August when the Tyrone players did not even compete!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 06, 2018, 08:19:42 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 06, 2018, 08:10:54 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 07:56:05 AM
big Art didnt have the back door to fall back on, only for it mickey would have just one all ireland. and yes people had alot more respect for Art as he is a thoroughly decent, likeable man.

Only one All Ireland is not to be sniffed at when you have never won one. We were All Ireland runners up when Iggy Gallagher rescued us v Antrim and Armagh slammed 5 goals past us the next day out. I'd imagine your angry contemporary equivalents at the time without the access to social media giving off stink and wanting big Art out in the local pub or where ever, regardless of how decent he was. Or maybe it was the supporters who were a little bit more decent and likeable back then?

It's a reflection on how divisive a person Harte it. Art was hugely respected by players and supporters. Harte isn't which has turned a lot of people off the whole thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2018, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 07:56:05 AM
big Art didnt have the back door to fall back on, only for it mickey would have just one all ireland. and yes people had alot more respect for Art as he is a thoroughly decent, likeable man.

Art McCrory LOL
"I've searched the county high up and low down, to find a big ignorant fecker to play midfield and there was one lying on my couch all along"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 06, 2018, 09:25:09 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2018, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 07:56:05 AM
big Art didnt have the back door to fall back on, only for it mickey would have just one all ireland. and yes people had alot more respect for Art as he is a thoroughly decent, likeable man.

Art McCrory LOL
"I've searched the county high up and low down, to find a big ignorant fecker to play midfield and there was one lying on my couch all along"

Harte found a few players about his house as well  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 10:39:32 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 06, 2018, 09:25:09 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2018, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 07:56:05 AM
big Art didnt have the back door to fall back on, only for it mickey would have just one all ireland. and yes people had alot more respect for Art as he is a thoroughly decent, likeable man.

Art McCrory LOL
"I've searched the county high up and low down, to find a big ignorant fecker to play midfield and there was one lying on my couch all along"

Harte found a few players about his house as well  :D
and a physio.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 06, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
I think Tyrone need a change, they will do nothing this year. I still can't believe that anyone would actually want to see them beat from tyrone apart from maybe "The Dazzler" to prove some point in his head. Same mistakes over and over again and the negativity so prevalent on this board is synonymous with the negativity that has seemed to creep in to all aspects of the county. It also looks very much on the face of it like its crept into the team!

BUT, this message board would depress ye, such absolute nonsense pedalled every day from about 3 fellas that clearly a) have no real interest in football outside the county team, b) obsessed with Mickey Harte and c) have nothing else to do whatsoever.

South Fermanagh Gael and that other boy I couldn't be bother looking up his name go and get a job and while you're at it get a life. Nothing worse than keyboard warriors! You would say nothing to Harte directly nor anyone else on this for that matter, you're as yella as the players you cry about if not worse. You know nothing about how the gaa works and probably never kicked a ball in your life
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 06, 2018, 12:47:17 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 06, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
I think Tyrone need a change, they will do nothing this year. I still can't believe that anyone would actually want to see them beat from tyrone apart from maybe "The Dazzler" to prove some point in his head. Same mistakes over and over again and the negativity so prevalent on this board is synonymous with the negativity that has seemed to creep in to all aspects of the county. It also looks very much on the face of it like its crept into the team!

BUT, this message board would depress ye, such absolute nonsense pedalled every day from about 3 fellas that clearly a) have no real interest in football outside the county team, b) obsessed with Mickey Harte and c) have nothing else to do whatsoever.

South Fermanagh Gael and that other boy I couldn't be bother looking up his name go and get a job and while you're at it get a life. Nothing worse than keyboard warriors! You would say nothing to Harte directly nor anyone else on this for that matter, you're as yella as the players you cry about if not worse. You know nothing about how the gaa works and probably never kicked a ball in your life

+1

STG played a bit of reserves for augher when they were short numbers. Has grievance with harte possibly from his time at school and the fact that eugene mckenna was replaced by harte, and is using this board to help himself get over this.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 06, 2018, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 06, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
I think Tyrone need a change, they will do nothing this year. I still can't believe that anyone would actually want to see them beat from tyrone apart from maybe "The Dazzler" to prove some point in his head. Same mistakes over and over again and the negativity so prevalent on this board is synonymous with the negativity that has seemed to creep in to all aspects of the county. It also looks very much on the face of it like its crept into the team!

BUT, this message board would depress ye, such absolute nonsense pedalled every day from about 3 fellas that clearly a) have no real interest in football outside the county team, b) obsessed with Mickey Harte and c) have nothing else to do whatsoever.

South Fermanagh Gael and that other boy I couldn't be bother looking up his name go and get a job and while you're at it get a life. Nothing worse than keyboard warriors! You would say nothing to Harte directly nor anyone else on this for that matter, you're as yella as the players you cry about if not worse. You know nothing about how the gaa works and probably never kicked a ball in your life

+2
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 12:55:32 PM
Disgraceful comment RHD. To suggest Darren Mc curry would want Tyrone beat to prove a point? What point? He has been let down and become dissolutioned and for you to try to put the boot into him doesn't say much for you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 06, 2018, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 06, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
I think Tyrone need a change, they will do nothing this year. I still can't believe that anyone would actually want to see them beat from tyrone apart from maybe "The Dazzler" to prove some point in his head. Same mistakes over and over again and the negativity so prevalent on this board is synonymous with the negativity that has seemed to creep in to all aspects of the county. It also looks very much on the face of it like its crept into the team!

BUT, this message board would depress ye, such absolute nonsense pedalled every day from about 3 fellas that clearly a) have no real interest in football outside the county team, b) obsessed with Mickey Harte and c) have nothing else to do whatsoever.

South Fermanagh Gael and that other boy I couldn't be bother looking up his name go and get a job and while you're at it get a life. Nothing worse than keyboard warriors! You would say nothing to Harte directly nor anyone else on this for that matter, you're as yella as the players you cry about if not worse. You know nothing about how the gaa works and probably never kicked a ball in your life
Sorry you lost me after the first sentence. The first was really quite brilliant, the rest was incoherent waffle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 01:01:44 PM
And as for you chieftain, trying to disrespect the many Tyrone Gaels who field on reserve teams for their clubs. Sorry not everyone can be part of the garvaghy elite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 06, 2018, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on June 06, 2018, 12:57:45 PM
Don't know how the Dog can justify that Tyrone battled hard in 96 - they were tramped into the ground, totally embarrassing and as for dinky - Please. That area of Croke Park didn't need fertilizer for a good bit later i can tell you. '96 was as low a point as I remember in all my years following Tyrone. A close second would have been Sligo in '02. Thankfully that all changed in 2003. Hopefully Tyrone can deliver a performance on Saturday as the shite posted here is no different to what it was like in the early part of 2008 & that year didnt turn out too bad. Tir Eoghain abu.

Croke Park last August was as humiliating as any defeat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on June 06, 2018, 01:20:03 PM
The present Dublin team are slightly, slightly ahead of Meath in 96 & Sligo in 2002.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 06, 2018, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 01:01:44 PM
And as for you chieftain, trying to disrespect the many Tyrone Gaels who field on reserve teams for their clubs. Sorry not everyone can be part of the garvaghy elite.

Show me where i disrespected any reserve player??

As for respect etc dont start giving lectures as its you the ultimate keyboard warrior, who loves to stick the knife in and deliver personal abuse behind the mask of a screen. Quoting players names, slagging them.. you think that is respectful?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 06, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on June 06, 2018, 01:20:03 PM
The present Dublin team are slightly, slightly ahead of Meath in 96 & Sligo in 2002.
Is that why the players didn't lay a hand on them and sat for the afternoon in their own half defending a defeat? Not sure Id place Meath defeat in that category. Ref was appaling that day and Tyrone players who went to play football, unlike last August, were systematically nailed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 06, 2018, 02:36:42 PM
Thoughts on Sludden call up then?

Wonder if he'll see any time this weekend - with the injury crisis he might well be thrown in, fairly light lad, maybe question marks about his temperament - superb from frees, could he land on his feet early on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2018, 02:56:52 PM
I'd like to see Harry Loughran get a run (Perhaps he's injured too, has he been playing for Moy?). What about Mulgrew from Ardboe. How's he been going of late?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 06, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
Harry Loughran playing in midfield for the Moy - looks to have all the attributes to make it but for whatever reason we haven't seen much of him.

David Mulgrew is injured, I don't think he's available for selection? Certainly didn't line up for Ardboe recently.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on June 06, 2018, 03:33:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 12:55:32 PM
Disgraceful comment RHD. To suggest Darren Mc curry would want Tyrone beat to prove a point? What point? He has been let down and become dissolutioned and for you to try to put the boot into him doesn't say much for you.
Did you seriously just get upset and at a suggestion that McCurry might not support Tyrone and call that post "disgraceful"? Really?

Coming from a 'man' who has had the below to say about various Tyrone GAA people (all vindictive personal abuse posted from behind the comfort of your online anonymity):



ON MICKEY HARTE:
"arrogant":
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 11:42:56 PM
arrogance of the highest order...time for either the tyrone county board or gaa hierarchy to take this chancer down a peg or two.

'no credibility':
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 11:36:40 PM
he just using the gaa to give himself some credibility which he has none.

A "bully":
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:58:26 PM
id face down harte the same way all bullies should be faced down.

A 'Religious Fundameltalist':
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 23, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
to be expected to say prayers at the behest of one religious fundamentalist is surely wrong?

A "religious zealot":
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 02:32:19 PM
I think Il wear my Tyrone jersey to the next pro choice rally. Just to show we aren't all religious zealots. #tyrone4choice.

Having his 'head up his hole':
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 12:50:16 PM
you have ur head as far up ur hole as mickey Harte does

A hypocrite:
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 06, 2017, 02:18:26 PM
I see hypocrite Harte on the back page of Irish news today

A 'dictator':
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 20, 2017, 09:27:51 PM
once again mickey harte putting himself first and everything else in the county second. is no one going to stand up to this dictator? destroying tyrone football club and county.

A 'fraud':
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 12:05:18 AM
harte is a fraud.

And to cap it all off, you made an unsubstantialted allegation about a matter which Roisin Jordan stated she is actually seeking legal advice over:
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 11:18:25 AM
No Tyrone player sent an email to newstalk. Mickey Harte sent it to discredit rosin Jordan and it has backfired big time.


ON GAVIN DEVLIN::
A 'moron':
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 12:05:18 AM
he replaced donnelly with a moron called gavin devlin and between the 2 of them have been found out tactically and have managed to drag the good name of tyrone football through the dirt


ON THE MCCANN BROTHERS::
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.


ON THE TEAMTALK MEN::
"fuckin pathetic":
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
was that noel mc ginn from ttm doing that interview? fuckin pathetic the whole lot of them.
Also a quote where you described the Teamtalk men as "money grabbing f**king arselickers".


ON RONAN MCNAMEE::
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 19, 2017, 08:01:04 PM
was always wondering why mc namee was being pushed forward to do all the irish news interviews and media work. he in the paper today talking about the team saying the rosary before every game and he thinks its great cause he goes go mass every sunday and before games anyway. embarressing stuff and hed be better sayin nothin and keepin that shit inhouse.




Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 06, 2018, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 06, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
Harry Loughran playing in midfield for the Moy - looks to have all the attributes to make it but for whatever reason we haven't seen much of him.

David Mulgrew is injured, I don't think he's available for selection? Certainly didn't line up for Ardboe recently.

I think we will see harry on saturday. Looking forward to the game and seeing can the fellas lift themselves from the disappointing defeat to monaghan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 06, 2018, 04:15:53 PM
I think, don't quote me. that David Mulgrew has had a shoulder operation but it wasn't picked up by any media outlet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
Snapchat, which of the above points was I incorrect on? Cause as far as I can see I was bang on the money with them all. Thanks for highlighting them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on June 06, 2018, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
Snapchat, which of the above points was I incorrect on? Cause as far as I can see I was bang on the money with them all. Thanks for highlighting them.

Posting disgusting personal abuse online about named GAA people, from behind the safety of anonymity, is not correct in any of those cases. It just shows you for the type of individual you are. A coward and a lowlife. A coward first and foremost though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 06, 2018, 04:50:19 PM
Someone said the other day that Loughran is injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on June 06, 2018, 04:53:32 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 06, 2018, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
Snapchat, which of the above points was I incorrect on? Cause as far as I can see I was bang on the money with them all. Thanks for highlighting them.

Posting disgusting personal abuse online about named GAA people, from behind the safety of anonymity, is not correct in any of those cases. It just shows you for the type of individual you are. A coward and a lowlife. A coward first and foremost though.

For the sake of people who have this a55hole on the ignore list please stop quoting him. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on June 06, 2018, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: GJL on June 06, 2018, 04:53:32 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 06, 2018, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
Snapchat, which of the above points was I incorrect on? Cause as far as I can see I was bang on the money with them all. Thanks for highlighting them.

Posting disgusting personal abuse online about named GAA people, from behind the safety of anonymity, is not correct in any of those cases. It just shows you for the type of individual you are. A coward and a lowlife. A coward first and foremost though.


For the sake of people who have this a55hole on the ignore list please stop quoting him. Thanks.

+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2018, 05:02:38 PM
Quote from: shezam on June 06, 2018, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: GJL on June 06, 2018, 04:53:32 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on June 06, 2018, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
Snapchat, which of the above points was I incorrect on? Cause as far as I can see I was bang on the money with them all. Thanks for highlighting them.

Posting disgusting personal abuse online about named GAA people, from behind the safety of anonymity, is not correct in any of those cases. It just shows you for the type of individual you are. A coward and a lowlife. A coward first and foremost though.


For the sake of people who have this a55hole on the ignore list please stop quoting him. Thanks.

+1

Please tell me how to do it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 06, 2018, 06:02:11 PM
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 06, 2018, 06:05:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2018, 12:55:32 PM
Disgraceful comment RHD. To suggest Darren Mc curry would want Tyrone beat to prove a point? What point? He has been let down and become dissolutioned and for you to try to put the boot into him doesn't say much for you.


'Dissolutioned' when he meant 'disillusioned'. LMAO

STG you are one thicko. Absolute birdbrain !!!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 06, 2018, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 06, 2018, 06:02:11 PM
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Why did I not know this before, thank you fella!

Good by South Fermanagh b0llbag
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 06, 2018, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 06, 2018, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 06, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
I think Tyrone need a change, they will do nothing this year. I still can't believe that anyone would actually want to see them beat from tyrone apart from maybe "The Dazzler" to prove some point in his head. Same mistakes over and over again and the negativity so prevalent on this board is synonymous with the negativity that has seemed to creep in to all aspects of the county. It also looks very much on the face of it like its crept into the team!

BUT, this message board would depress ye, such absolute nonsense pedalled every day from about 3 fellas that clearly a) have no real interest in football outside the county team, b) obsessed with Mickey Harte and c) have nothing else to do whatsoever.

South Fermanagh Gael and that other boy I couldn't be bother looking up his name go and get a job and while you're at it get a life. Nothing worse than keyboard warriors! You would say nothing to Harte directly nor anyone else on this for that matter, you're as yella as the players you cry about if not worse. You know nothing about how the gaa works and probably never kicked a ball in your life

+2
+3
You named a 3rd person but it's bit on fair on the village idiot "In Hiding" as he doesn't be on every day. Only joking. Don't bother replying
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 06, 2018, 08:47:54 PM
Lookin forward to the semi tomorrow night, we should win and set up a final against derry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 06, 2018, 09:00:41 PM
What way are Tyrone U20s on the injury front?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 06, 2018, 09:09:32 PM
Peter og should be good to go. I'd of thought that Millar lad from killeshill would have been on the squad. That's a good team we have
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 06, 2018, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 06, 2018, 09:09:32 PM
Peter og should be good to go. I'd of thought that Millar lad from killeshill would have been on the squad. That's a good team we have

Seems to be a great squad alright - I've often thought u21 / u20 is more important than minor for senior development - perhaps with this new structure we can develop these lads into the senior panel over the next few years - there are less physical obstacles to overcome at this age which kind of kills some great minor players to an extent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 06, 2018, 09:31:33 PM
I thinks the clubs in Tyrone deserve great credit for producing so many great players. Other counties don't have that. It starts of at u6/u/8 and from there it's encouragement al the way up. I'd say every county player in Tyrone would know all the young lads at their club. That's some boost for a youngster that the county star knows who he is. Great role models
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 06, 2018, 11:42:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 06, 2018, 09:31:33 PM
I thinks the clubs in Tyrone deserve great credit for producing so many great players. Other counties don't have that. It starts of at u6/u/8 and from there it's encouragement al the way up. I'd say every county player in Tyrone would know all the young lads at their club. That's some boost for a youngster that the county star knows who he is. Great role models
Great post
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 06, 2018, 11:42:17 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 06, 2018, 06:02:11 PM
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Lethal..... no more shite!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on June 07, 2018, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 06, 2018, 09:31:33 PM
I thinks the clubs in Tyrone deserve great credit for producing so many great players. Other counties don't have that. It starts of at u6/u/8 and from there it's encouragement al the way up. I'd say every county player in Tyrone would know all the young lads at their club. That's some boost for a youngster that the county star knows who he is. Great role models

If that's true it's brilliant to see.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 07, 2018, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 06, 2018, 06:02:11 PM
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Brilliant, didnt realise this function was there. Thanks!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on June 07, 2018, 02:14:36 PM
I believe Ruarai Gormley had a great outing last time, hopefully on his way to being the next Strabane man to make a mark on the Seniors since Danny McBride - how has he been doing for Strabane to date?

Is he a potential solution for Senior MF in a few years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 07, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 07, 2018, 02:14:36 PM
I believe Ruarai Gormley had a great outing last time, hopefully on his way to being the next Strabane man to make a mark on the Seniors since Danny McBride - how has he been doing for Strabane to date?

Is he a potential solution for Senior MF in a few years?

Playing well for Strabane too from what I've seen.

Appears to be a good player with a good attitude.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 07, 2018, 03:33:14 PM
in todays ulster herald in an interview with mickey it says "several squad members including Ben McDonnell, David Mulgrew, Ronan McHugh, Ciaran McLaughlin, Brendan Burns and Declan McClure all nursing various knocks and strains at the moment." with regards to calling up Ruairi Sludden.

That confirms some speculation of some of them players. They are on top of the obvious lee brennan and mark Bradley. It doesn't mention Harry Loughran anyway so I assume he is ok.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 07, 2018, 03:40:49 PM
What's our thoughts for Saturday then, do we think Harte will throw a curve ball with someone new in the full forward line? I think we have plenty of people who could make a stab at this role, including Mattie Donnelly, Richard Donnelly, Harry Loughran, McShane, or even Colm Cavanagh could be tried in there for spells now that we also have Frank Burns playing well in the sweepers role.

As usual with Harte I think he will go with the pragmatic approach of starting McAliskey and O'Neill in the full forward line and ask some of the lads above to spend short periods of the game in the FF line. Harte always talks about the modern game being very fluid and we have seen this already this year with Peter Harte and Niall Sludden spending periods in the FF line at various times, although they have had limited success.

I would be flabbergasted if Ruairi Sludden started after having just joined the panel although with him being the only other fit natural inside forward left apart from O'Neill and Skeet I think there's every chance of him coming on in the second half if we are in trouble.

Also is Kieran McGeary left footed? I know he hits free kicks for Pomeroy so I think he is likely to start with our other 3 left footers being out. I think we will see a team like the following with McShane and Mattie both spending some time at FF.

Morgan
McKernan
McNamee
Hampsey
McCann
Burns
Meyler
Cavanagh
M Donnelly
McClure (if fit. if not, McNulty could come in or else someone like Rory Brennan with Meyler pushed forward. I would like to see McNamee pushed forward with Hugh Pat coming in)
Sludden
McGeary
O'Neill
McShane
McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on June 07, 2018, 04:16:10 PM
Assuming injuries I'm going to plump for/What I'd like to see:
               Morgan
HP McGeary Hampsey McNamee
McCann Burns McKernan
Colm, Paudy McNulty
Meyler Sludden Mattie
O'Neill McShane Skeet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 07, 2018, 04:55:07 PM
I'll have a stab at what I think Mickey will pick tonight or does he wait now to Fridays?

O'Neill           I can see him rotate them again
McKernan      Scored 1.01 the last day and looked sharper than McCarron
McNamee
Hampsey
T.McCann
Burns
Meyler
C. Cavanagh
P. McNulty
M. Donnelly
Sludden
McGeary
O'Neill
McShane
McAliskey

That's quite a strong team despite all the injuries
Was very encouraged by Skeet the last day. Hopefully he stays injury free.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 07, 2018, 05:08:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 07, 2018, 04:55:07 PM
I'll have a stab at what I think Mickey will pick tonight or does he wait now to Fridays?

O'Neill           I can see him rotate them again
McKernan      Scored 1.01 the last day and looked sharper than McCarron
McNamee
Hampsey
T.McCann
Burns
Meyler
C. Cavanagh
P. McNulty
M. Donnelly
Sludden
McGeary
O'Neill
McShane
McAliskey

That's quite a strong team despite all the injuries
Was very encouraged by Skeet the last day. Hopefully he stays injury free.

I'd like to see O'Neill get a run in goals. I think he's a better shot stopper than Morgan.
McShane in FF would also be a good option, perhaps with Donnelly and McAliskey alongside?
Would like to see H Loughran get a run if not injured.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 07, 2018, 10:17:03 PM
I watched the Club b Championship draw on Facebook earlier and had to replay it again. After the draw was finished was the Moy Captain hinting that he would prefer a Tyrone exit to get Colm back with the club. I think Paddy Hunter and the rest of the room assumed that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on June 07, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
Have it on good authority that Ronan O'Neill will be leaving the Tyrone panel tomorrow (Friday June 8th)

Adds fuel to Sean Cavanaghs claim that flair players don't thrive under Harte in recent seasons
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 07, 2018, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: deadman on June 07, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
Have it on good authority that Ronan O'Neill will be leaving the Tyrone panel tomorrow (Friday June 8th)

Adds fuel to Sean Cavanaghs claim that flair players don't thrive under Harte in recent seasons

Must'nt have got the nod for the Meath game this weekend. Be a bit of an insult to him if Sludden just drafted in gets a start. Tyrone isn't a county United at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 07, 2018, 10:32:41 PM
team named. no o neill or sludden. r donnelly full forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on June 07, 2018, 10:38:54 PM
N Morgan
P Hampsey
R McNamee
HP McGeary
T McCann
F Burns
M McKernan
C Cavanagh
P McNulty
M Donnelly
N Sludden
C Meyler
C McShane
R Donnelly
C McAliskey
Don't know how can Mickey can continue to pick Niall Morgan. Also Ronan O'Neill overlooked yet again, wouldn't blame him if he walked
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 07, 2018, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on June 07, 2018, 10:38:54 PM
N Morgan
P Hampsey
R McNamee
HP McGeary
T McCann
F Burns
M McKernan
C Cavanagh
P McNulty
M Donnelly
N Sludden
C Meyler
C McShane
R Donnelly
C McAliskey
Don't know how can Mickey can continue to pick Niall Morgan. Also Ronan O'Neill overlooked yet again, wouldn't blame him if he walked
May hope Skeet racks up a big score on saturday. Isn't much else in the way of scorers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on June 07, 2018, 11:01:54 PM
Lads how you think RON is being hard done by due to not being selected is beyond me. He has no pace, therefore he is not dangerous. I have lost count the amount of times at club level we have played Omagh and have never given him a second thought, he can't hurt you, to slow. O Donnell and Myler on the other hand we always planned for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2018, 12:39:29 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on June 07, 2018, 11:01:54 PM
Lads how you think RON is being hard done by due to not being selected is beyond me. He has no pace, therefore he is not dangerous. I have lost count the amount of times at club level we have played Omagh and have never given him a second thought, he can't hurt you, to slow. O Donnell and Myler on the other hand we always planned for them.
Clonoe must be some team. Ronan has hurt a fair few teams in recent years. Last year vs Trillick being the last one when Omagh were in trouble. I'd have him ahead of Mc Aliskey every day. Intelligence and vision are fairly important tools for a forward to have 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2018, 12:55:23 AM
Is Cathal Mc Carron injured ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on June 08, 2018, 01:06:10 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2018, 12:39:29 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on June 07, 2018, 11:01:54 PM
Lads how you think RON is being hard done by due to not being selected is beyond me. He has no pace, therefore he is not dangerous. I have lost count the amount of times at club level we have played Omagh and have never given him a second thought, he can't hurt you, to slow. O Donnell and Myler on the other hand we always planned for them.
Clonoe must be some team. Ronan has hurt a fair few teams in recent years. Last year vs Trillick being the last one when Omagh were in trouble. I'd have him ahead of Mc Aliskey every day. Intelligence and vision are fairly important tools for a forward to have

The goal was his only major contribution against us last year and it was hardly a great individual effort. O'Donnell is the real danger man, he cut through us like a knife at times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2018, 01:17:54 AM
Quote from: trileacman on June 08, 2018, 01:06:10 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2018, 12:39:29 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on June 07, 2018, 11:01:54 PM
Lads how you think RON is being hard done by due to not being selected is beyond me. He has no pace, therefore he is not dangerous. I have lost count the amount of times at club level we have played Omagh and have never given him a second thought, he can’t hurt you, to slow. O Donnell and Myler on the other hand we always planned for them.
Clonoe must be some team. Ronan has hurt a fair few teams in recent years. Last year vs Trillick being the last one when Omagh were in trouble. I'd have him ahead of Mc Aliskey every day. Intelligence and vision are fairly important tools for a forward to have

The goal was his only major contribution against us last year and it was hardly a great individual effort. O'Donnell is the real danger man, he cut through us like a knife at times.

Omagh 6 behind and going out, Ronan scores a goal from a difficult angle with his left foot. You lads are a tough audience. Connor O D was brilliant last year. Ronan has been the leader up front for longer than last year. if Ronan O Neill was to leave the county panel now it would be disappointing for him personally but some boost for Omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 08, 2018, 07:03:37 AM
Why should he leave the panel? There's some generation of snowflakes on here. He did nothing the last day to keep his place, he's a talented lad but he has no devine right to named in the starting 15. This is knock out football and you can't be picking lads just incase they have a hissy fit and walk off the panel - anyway people are doing Ronan a disservice  to say he is even that type of character, he might just have a little more resilience than people are giving him credit for. I like the starting 15. We've added a bit of physicality and it's good to see Ritchie back. Hopefully Paudie can make the most of his chance, he's been on the panel long enough now and has all the physical attributes to be a decent midfielder.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on June 08, 2018, 07:24:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 08, 2018, 07:03:37 AM
Why should he leave the panel? There's some generation of snowflakes on here. He did nothing the last day to keep his place, he's a talented lad but he has no devine right to named in the starting 15. This is knock out football and you can't be picking lads just incase they have a hissy fit and walk off the panel - anyway people are doing Ronan a disservice  to say he is even that type of character, he might just have a little more resilience than people are giving him credit for. I like the starting 15. We've added a bit of physicality and it's good to see Ritchie back. Hopefully Paudie can make the most of his chance, he's been on the panel long enough now and has all the physical attributes to be a decent midfielder.
Ah yeah Benny, he's only been sitting on the bench this last five years. I'm sure you can understand why he would lose patience. Further to the humiliation of been put on and then taken off again I'd like to see Harte do that to his nephew, who ll never ever be missing from  the team sheet. unless he does something completely stupid like the last day and gets suspended. Dropped? No f**king chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2018, 08:19:12 AM
Like most other people I will be ignoring southtyronegael and his imaginary friend thebigdog from now on.

In terms of Ronan O'neill it would be a strange time to quit. He has trained now for 7/8 months and has already missed 2 starred games so surely he'd be safer seeing the season out and see how it goes. If Tyrone get a run going there will be lots of games coming up and with the injuries he is bound to get time. He has had plenty of game time the last few years but on current form doesn't deserve to start. Hopefully he puts his head down and tries to take his chance when it comes. In my opinion he can have little complaints about not starting. it would be great to see him focus on his own game instead of blaming the manager for not starting. He is worth his place on the squad and as I say I hope he sticks with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 08, 2018, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on June 07, 2018, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on June 07, 2018, 10:38:54 PM
N Morgan
P Hampsey
R McNamee
HP McGeary
T McCann
F Burns
M McKernan
C Cavanagh
P McNulty
M Donnelly
N Sludden
C Meyler
C McShane
R Donnelly
C McAliskey
Don't know how can Mickey can continue to pick Niall Morgan. Also Ronan O'Neill overlooked yet again, wouldn't blame him if he walked
May hope Skeet racks up a big score on saturday. Isn't much else in the way of scorers.

Yeah we're short of scoring forwards. However that might create the vacuum for someone else to step into. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2018, 08:57:58 AM
I asked a bit earlier but has anyone any idea why cathal mc carron didnt make the 26
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on June 08, 2018, 09:02:59 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on June 07, 2018, 04:16:10 PM
Assuming injuries I'm going to plump for/What I'd like to see:
               Morgan
HP McGeary Hampsey McNamee
McCann Burns McKernan
Colm, Paudy McNulty
Meyler Sludden Mattie
O'Neill McShane Skeet

HIT THE POST WITH RO'N! Richie D starts instead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 08, 2018, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2018, 08:57:58 AM
I asked a bit earlier but has anyone any idea why cathal mc carron didnt make the 26

Not even in the 26 so he must ne injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 08, 2018, 09:10:51 AM
1 N Morgan
2 P Hamspey
3 R McNamee
4 HP McGeary
5 T McCann
6 F Burns
7 M McKernan
8 C Cavanagh
9 P McNulty
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 C McShane
14 R Donnelly
15 C McAliskey
16 M O'Neill
17 R Brennan
18 M Cassidy
19 H Loughran
20 C McCann
21 D McClure
22 A McCrory
23 K McGeary
24 R McNabb
25 R O'Neill
26 R Sludden

That's the 26 subs included. Would like to see Brennan featuring. K McGeary will see game time, probably RON, mcnabb, C McCann and McClure there also. Pretty good subs to have to come on. Do yous think will R Sludden feature if tyrone are in control? don't see why not I suppose. Although RON should be prioritised in from of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 08, 2018, 09:39:29 AM
Will be surprised if RON is on the bus home..........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 08, 2018, 09:45:39 AM
If R Sludden gets a game ahead of ones who have trained all year RON might not be the only one to leave.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 08, 2018, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 08, 2018, 07:03:37 AM
Why should he leave the panel? There's some generation of snowflakes on here. He did nothing the last day to keep his place, he's a talented lad but he has no devine right to named in the starting 15. This is knock out football and you can't be picking lads just incase they have a hissy fit and walk off the panel - anyway people are doing Ronan a disservice  to say he is even that type of character, he might just have a little more resilience than people are giving him credit for. I like the starting 15. We've added a bit of physicality and it's good to see Ritchie back. Hopefully Paudie can make the most of his chance, he's been on the panel long enough now and has all the physical attributes to be a decent midfielder.

Great post BH. In Dublin/ Kerry/ Mayo etc if a player wasn't starting after not playing well the last day there wouldn't be a word about him leaving the panel. And if Ruairi Sludden is needed in the second half of the game on Saturday he should come on, regardless of whether it might upset some of the lads on the bench. Some Tyrone 'supporters' (if you can call them that) seem to want to keep the team in a perpetual state of crisis but I suppose the only way to change this is to win games.

As other posters have said it would be very short sighted for anyone to drop off the panel at this stage if Tyrone win on Saturday. 2008 and 2015 are two prime examples of when Tyrone were knocked out in the first round of Ulster and there was panic stations within the county and talk of wanting Harte out. These years show that all it takes is a win or two to get morale up and get a bit of momentum again. Meath is a great opportunity to start this off this weekend. Tir Eoghain Abu!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on June 08, 2018, 10:40:27 AM
Tyrone worked for couple of hours last saturday hitting long kickouts to the left side of field and then launching long diagonal balls into square. Predicting a change in style this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on June 08, 2018, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 08, 2018, 09:39:29 AM
Will be surprised if RON is on the bus home..........

Ronan O'Neill is a class player but he's probably more suited to being a playmaker. Would he not be worth trying at centre half forward dictating the play?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 08, 2018, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 08, 2018, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 08, 2018, 09:39:29 AM
Will be surprised if RON is on the bus home..........

Ronan O'Neill is a class player but he's probably more suited to being a playmaker. Would he not be worth trying at centre half forward dictating the play?

In the modern game Ronan O'Neill would be a complete passenger at centre forward as he is too slow. Every team would simply put an athletic defender on him and get them to press forward, keep him on the back foot and he wouldn't be able to get back up the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 08, 2018, 10:58:06 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 08, 2018, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 08, 2018, 07:03:37 AM
Why should he leave the panel? There's some generation of snowflakes on here. He did nothing the last day to keep his place, he's a talented lad but he has no devine right to named in the starting 15. This is knock out football and you can't be picking lads just incase they have a hissy fit and walk off the panel - anyway people are doing Ronan a disservice  to say he is even that type of character, he might just have a little more resilience than people are giving him credit for. I like the starting 15. We've added a bit of physicality and it's good to see Ritchie back. Hopefully Paudie can make the most of his chance, he's been on the panel long enough now and has all the physical attributes to be a decent midfielder.

Great post BH. In Dublin/ Kerry/ Mayo etc if a player wasn't starting after not playing well the last day there wouldn't be a word about him leaving the panel. And if Ruairi Sludden is needed in the second half of the game on Saturday he should come on, regardless of whether it might upset some of the lads on the bench. Some Tyrone 'supporters' (if you can call them that) seem to want to keep the team in a perpetual state of crisis but I suppose the only way to change this is to win games.

As other posters have said it would be very short sighted for anyone to drop off the panel at this stage if Tyrone win on Saturday. 2008 and 2015 are two prime examples of when Tyrone were knocked out in the first round of Ulster and there was panic stations within the county and talk of wanting Harte out. These years show that all it takes is a win or two to get morale up and get a bit of momentum again. Meath is a great opportunity to start this off this weekend. Tir Eoghain Abu!

Well said! Totally Agree!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on June 08, 2018, 11:02:51 AM
http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-independent/20180608/281483572078349


Canavan the next man to come to Mickey's aid and dismiss Sean Cavanagh's comments
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 08, 2018, 01:19:48 PM
Tyrone manager Paul Devlin has made two changes to his team for tonight's clash with Armagh in the Ulster U20FC semi-final at the Athletic Grounds.

The changes come in the form of Connal Grimes, who slots in at corner back for Antoin Fox, and Brian Kennedy, who takes his place at midfield for Tom Loughran.

Tyrone are fresh off the back of a brilliant display in the last round with a 0-17 to 2-8 victory over Monaghan while Armagh comfortably defeated Fermanagh by  2-14 to 0-10 in Enniskillen.

Throw-in in Armagh is at 8pm.

Tyrone (Ulster U20FC v Armagh): Benny Gallen; Connal Grimes, Conor Quinn, Conor Shields; Mark Kearney, Ryan McCusker, Cahir Goodwin; Rory Gormley, Brian Kennedy; Matthew Murnaghan Emmett McNabb, Ryan Gray; James Garrity, Matthew McGleenan, Paul Donaghy.

Subs: Lorcan Quinn, Tom Loughran, Peadar Mullan, Dalaigh Jones, Daniel Kerr, Tiarnan Drayne, Tomas Carney, Jude Campbell, Peter Og McCartan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 08, 2018, 02:09:35 PM
Whats the story with Armagh? Are they good?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on June 08, 2018, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on June 08, 2018, 10:40:27 AM
Tyrone worked for couple of hours last saturday hitting long kickouts to the left side of field and then launching long diagonal balls into square. Predicting a change in style this weekend.

"If" true, its a good job you didnt put it out there on a social platform for others to pick up on.......... Oh wait.................
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 08, 2018, 03:18:16 PM
Quote from: Club boi on June 08, 2018, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on June 08, 2018, 10:40:27 AM
Tyrone worked for couple of hours last saturday hitting long kickouts to the left side of field and then launching long diagonal balls into square. Predicting a change in style this weekend.

"If" true, its a good job you didnt put it out there on a social platform for others to pick up on.......... Oh wait.................

Unlikely Meath management pay any heed to tactical comments on GAA Board. Last day we learnt on the board that Colm Cavanagh and Conor McManus were out injured  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 08, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
Has Richie ever played FF for Trillick before?

Ronan O'Neill sure is a dilemma as you know he's got the skills and the brain but at county level he can be exposed for his lack of pace and so getting the ball into his hands is the problem.
He's the sort of guy who could win you a game or play a game winning pass for a goal but he could also lose every ball kicked into him and put you back under pressure.
I would imagine if he played in the 90s or early 00s he would have been a brilliant player with no blanket defences and players like SoN, Mugsy and Canavan making great runs for him to ping balls into.

However, there are loads of good players who are struggling to breathe under the thick blankets and so you would imagine he would better against the Div 2, 3 and 4 teams of this world. Oh sorry maybe not Fermanagh.  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 08, 2018, 10:32:27 PM
U20s game gone to extra extra time. Sounds like an incident packed game with 4 red cards.

Edit: Armagh won 2-22 to 0-24. Unlucky lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mr. Nakata on June 08, 2018, 10:37:46 PM
O'neill IMO has been shafted for the past 3 years. He's a finisher. Look at the goal chances we've cocked up in big games in recent years. Wrong decisions. Yes he missed that pen in the last league game, that's another question, who's gonna get the nod for pens, Harte has lost his mojo big time...dark times. We need onion sack predators on the sod. Won't surprise me if O'Neill walks. Not even close to a starting spot...Bring on defenders and move utility players into half forward...f**k off
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 08, 2018, 10:40:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 08, 2018, 10:32:27 PM
U20s game gone to extra extra time. Sounds like an incident packed game with 4 red cards.

Edit: Armagh won 2-22 to 0-24. Unlucky lads.

Despite the result tonight provided great entertainment. As good a £9 I ever spent. Quality wasn't great but nobody could question determination. The Armagh manager will be in trouble after striking our boys in the melee.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on June 08, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
Who is the Armagh manager?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 08, 2018, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: DEL on June 08, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
Who is the Armagh manager?

I think he was ex Armagh player Martin McQullan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 08, 2018, 11:50:21 PM
Just seen a clip of the argy bargy.  How only four was picked out i will never know.  There is a few boys with bibs on should be expecting suspensions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 08, 2018, 11:50:48 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on June 08, 2018, 11:36:56 PM
TTM EXCLUSIVE!!

Armagh resumed extra time phase two with a full compliment of 15 players despite the fact that they had two players sent off in extra time. This is apparently in clear breach of rule.

It's now at the discretion of @TyroneGAALive to lodge an objection.

I don't think teamtalk has this correct!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 08, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
Surely not their EXCLUSIVE ! ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 08, 2018, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 08, 2018, 11:50:21 PM
Just seen a clip of the argy bargy.  How only four was picked out i will never know.  There is a few boys with bibs on should be expecting suspensions

Seen the same clip. Armagh ones were very quick to pile in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Throw ball on June 08, 2018, 11:55:33 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 08, 2018, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: DEL on June 08, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
Who is the Armagh manager?

Martin is assistant. Peter McDonnell manager

I think he was ex Armagh player Martin McQullan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 08, 2018, 11:55:33 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 08, 2018, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: DEL on June 08, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
Who is the Armagh manager?

Martin is assistant. Peter McDonnell manager

I think he was ex Armagh player Martin McQullan
The bald/shaven head one hit our no.17 who then didn't kick a ball after that assault. Referee/Linesman caught it because he was sent off along with 2 players from each team.

Looking at the positives, I thought Benny Gallen's Kickouts were top drawer. Kennedy looked good in glimpses probably needs to grab hold of a game more but he has it in him. Young Donaghy from Edendork was excellent stepping up to kick a great equalising point at the end of normal time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Throw ball on June 09, 2018, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 08, 2018, 11:55:33 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 08, 2018, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: DEL on June 08, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
Who is the Armagh manager?

Martin is assistant. Peter McDonnell manager

I think he was ex Armagh player Martin McQullan
The bald/shaven head one hit our no.17 who then didn't kick a ball after that assault. Referee/Linesman caught it because he was sent off along with 2 players from each team.

Looking at the positives, I thought Benny Gallen's Kickouts were top drawer. Kennedy looked good in glimpses probably needs to grab hold of a game more but he has it in him. Young Donaghy from Edendork was excellent stepping up to kick a great equalising point at the end of normal time.

You may be right.

As an Armagh man I must say I thought the Tyrone keeper was excellent. The number 11 also caught the eye. It was a game with good players on both sides. The row was not in keeping with the game in general.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on June 09, 2018, 12:27:39 AM
Best £9 I ever spent. I have to agree that the "incident" if that's what we're calling it was not upkeeping with the game, however it was shambolic that it was allowed to happen. I feel like the referee was losing grip of the game as he hadn't a f***ing clue what he was at 90% of the time and sadly this is becoming all too familiar
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on June 09, 2018, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 08, 2018, 11:55:33 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 08, 2018, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: DEL on June 08, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
Who is the Armagh manager?

Martin is assistant. Peter McDonnell manager

I think he was ex Armagh player Martin McQullan
The bald/shaven head one hit our no.17 who then didn’t kick a ball after that assault. Referee/Linesman caught it because he was sent off along with 2 players from each team.

Looking at the positives, I thought Benny Gallen’s Kickouts were top drawer. Kennedy looked good in glimpses probably needs to grab hold of a game more but he has it in him. Young Donaghy from Edendork was excellent stepping up to kick a great equalising point at the end of normal time.

A thoroughly enjoyable game even if we were on the wrong end of the result. I'd expect a few more suspensions to follow. What happened at the end of the first period of extra time has no place on any football field. I'm not sure were the ref found the added time at after the row but fair play to Armagh they tool advantage.

You can't fault the effort of the Tyrone players although in comparison to Armagh they were a bit physically light. Given than that was young Kennedy's first game in 7 or 8 weeks he did fairly well to last as long as he did. Donaghy and McNabb were the pick of the forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on June 09, 2018, 08:27:02 AM
How many subs did Armagh have? Looks like they had far too many togged out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 09, 2018, 08:37:52 AM
Quote from: DEL on June 09, 2018, 08:27:02 AM
How many subs did Armagh have? Looks like they had far too many togged out?


Both teams had far too many togged out... Tyrone had a player with number 33 on his back.. Tyrone   Player Campbell from Pomeroy started the brawl from what I seen..

Paul Devlin's record is not great,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on June 09, 2018, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: DEL on June 09, 2018, 08:27:02 AM
How many subs did Armagh have? Looks like they had far too many togged out?

Both teams could only use 24 players but they'd all their full panel stripped out. As soon as the schmozzle started the Amragh bench were out of the stand straight onto the field, the Tyrone lads in comparison, a point up well into in injury time in an Ulster semi-final weren't anywhere near as quick out. They had to in the end because their team mates on the field had the gut of 40 Armagh subs and mentors tearing into them

The Armagh 7 had wrestled Jude Campbell to the ground after Armagh had missed a goal chance that looked like their last attack. Campbell got up and knocked him to the ground. Melee ensued.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on June 09, 2018, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: barelegs on June 09, 2018, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: DEL on June 09, 2018, 08:27:02 AM
How many subs did Armagh have? Looks like they had far too many togged out?

Both teams could only use 24 players but they'd all their full panel stripped out. As soon as the schmozzle started the Amragh bench were out of the stand straight onto the field, the Tyrone lads in comparison, a point up well into in injury time in an Ulster semi-final weren't anywhere near as quick out. They had to in the end because their team mates on the field had the gut of 40 Armagh subs and mentors tearing into them


The Armagh 7 had wrestled Jude Campbell to the ground after Armagh had missed a goal chance that looked like their last attack. Campbell got up and knocked him to the ground. Melee ensued.
That's the way I seen it. If referee had of stopped the game and dealt with Armagh 7 none of it would have happened
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on June 09, 2018, 10:33:17 AM
not at the game and seen a video on this this morn so may have missed a lot. there's a lot of false outrage on this, heard about this big row, but seen the video and it's a bunch of cubs pushing and shoving, haven't heard of anyone busted or opened (which i'm glad to hear). it has been blown out of proportion but the two perspectives i have on it is

supporter wise: devlin needs evaluated in terms of management but heard he is a good coach


GAA wise: ref needs a kick in the hole and trained better

two teams need serious fines and conduct evaluations

and the silence is deafening from a communication point of view on the players allowed in after full time and potential discipline from the ulster council but nothing new there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 11:11:18 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on June 09, 2018, 10:33:17 AM
not at the game and seen a video on this this morn so may have missed a lot. there's a lot of false outrage on this, heard about this big row, but seen the video and it's a bunch of cubs pushing and shoving, haven't heard of anyone busted or opened (which i'm glad to hear). it has been blown out of proportion but the two perspectives i have on it is

supporter wise: devlin needs evaluated in terms of management but heard he is a good coach


GAA wise: ref needs a kick in the hole and trained better

two teams need serious fines and conduct evaluations

and the silence is deafening from a communication point of view on the players allowed in after full time and potential discipline from the ulster council but nothing new there

I've seen the video going about and it doesn't do the brawl justice. I've been at a lot of games through the years and this is without doubt the biggest brawl/melee I've seen. Didn't see blood but the Tyrone no.17 looked shaken/concust maybe and was rightly subbed. Punches were full blooded. The video only catches the end of the incident.

The Athletic Grounds are covered in camera's I suspect Ulster GAA will come down hard on the counties for this. The Armagh management member shouldn't feature in the Ulster Final.

Armagh lost a few key men to straight reds this will leave them in a bad place for the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 09, 2018, 12:14:24 PM
Massive day ahead for tyrone. Lose and surely ite the end of an era......however I think Tyrone will win and could then gain momentum through the qualifiers and get men back from suspension and injury.
There could be some tough opposition along the way and a place in last 8 will be hard earrned.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
Quote from: The Trap on June 09, 2018, 12:14:24 PM
Massive day ahead for tyrone. Lose and surely ite the end of an era......however I think Tyrone will win and could then gain momentum through the qualifiers and get men back from suspension and injury.
There could be some tough opposition along the way and a place in last 8 will be hard earrned.....

Today will answer a lot of questions. Let's be honest, it's been a bad few weeks and nobody in Tyrone GAA circles has came out smelling of roses. I will in particular be watching Colm Cavanagh and hope to see his usual commanding performance. He can't not be effected by the spat between Sean and the Tyrone Senior management. Hopefully he rises above that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on June 09, 2018, 01:32:43 PM
What time is throw in? Is it only available to watch on Sky?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 09, 2018, 02:05:23 PM
Throw in 5pm. Live on sky arena.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on June 09, 2018, 02:35:51 PM
Good man. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 09, 2018, 04:48:33 PM
Mickey O'Neill starting over Niall Morgan today. Late change.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2018, 05:23:41 PM
McAliskey on fire again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 05:43:00 PM
Tyrone should be out of sight, slight worry that they haven't put the game beyond Meath yet. Some good football but the finishing has fell away towards the end of the half. Skeet started like a man possessed. Hopefully the first ten minutes of the 2nd half will see us push on by 4-5 plus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 06:24:50 PM
Anybody else concerned?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 09, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
Ronan oneill out of necessity will come on and win it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 06:48:15 PM
Think Tyrone will be boyant after that late equaliser with spirits lifted and Meath maybe thinking they missed the boat. Although I expected Tyrone to push on 2nd half. Still optimistic that we have more in the tank.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2018, 07:09:38 PM
Peter fair hyping Tyrone up here. I suppose he has to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2018, 07:28:12 PM
Never in doubt lads!  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 07:30:01 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 06:48:15 PM
Think Tyrone will be boyant after that late equaliser with spirits lifted and Meath maybe thinking they missed the boat. Although I expected Tyrone to push on 2nd half. Still optimistic that we have more in the tank.

A prediction that went the right way. That's the test we needed. Got through the game look forward to the next challenge. Battle hardened will leave us in a positive place. No time for negativity, we need to unite and push on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 09, 2018, 07:33:14 PM
Sooner club championship starts the better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 09, 2018, 07:49:32 PM
Disappointing show from Tyrone there. McAliskey offered plenty of spark early on but then few misses crept in and ended up going completely missing in the second half. Burns very much kept Tyrone in it second half with two excellent points and fair play to McShane keeping his composure when so many others were losing theirs.
Some of Tyrones misses today were unforgivable, game really shoulve been over early, Mattie and Harry Loughran lucky McShane bailed them out at the end.
Whole game really came down to the heavily criticised Ronan O'Neill showing some class and composure to set up the goal and that was the difference at the end of the game.
Lot of improvement needed but plenty to come back into the team for next day out. McCanns suspension will save Harte from a difficult decision for the next round on whether to start him or not. Very very poor today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2018, 08:24:35 PM
Very happy with Ronan O'Neills cameo tonight. A little touch of class to create the goal. A lesser man in his position, with so much to prove, may have had a shot himself for the glory but he saw the bigger picture and put it on a plate for Harry Loughran. A two fingers to those suggesting he was a weak character who would strop off the panel after what happened v Monaghan. Tyrone in general were awful tonight but showed plenty of fight and spirit which was supposedly missing from this squad. Nights like this can bring a team on hugely. Loads of lads got a serious feel of championship football tonight and with a few coming back as the weeks go on, we may just build a bit of momentum. Mayo scraped past Derry at this stage last year and were still standing in September. It's all about getting through! Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 09, 2018, 08:36:09 PM
Could be doing with an easy draw in the next round or two
Then maybe get the likes of Brennan / Bradley back in for super 8s

If we get a tough draw - on that performance - we will be gone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 09, 2018, 08:49:02 PM
Quote from: The Trap on June 09, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
Ronan oneill out of necessity will come on and win it!

Called it! Only for the sending off and Cathal McShane's equalising point Ronan probably wouldn't have got on at all. As chance after chance was spurned throughout the match it was great to see a bit of composure at last in front of the goals. With the good weather he probably didn't need his gloves anyway 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on June 09, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
Does Tyrone stick with  Richy Donelly at 14 in R2 and further should Tyrone progress? Personally I think not. He may be the one sacrificed should Brennan and Bradley return from injury
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 09, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Colly cav looks a pale shadow of the player he was. Would he be an option at 14. Time may have caught up with him. We need to try something different I think
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 09, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Colly cav looks a pale shadow of the player he was. Would he be an option at 14. Time may have caught up with him. We need to try something different I think
Don't think Richie is the option @ 14 but Cavanagh was decent tonight, he carried the ball out of defense when required. I'd move Burns. His ability to kick points from the 45 or outside is there for all to be seen but he offers little defensively. Burns conceded a few soft frees, I think McShane is better positioned at 14 with Burns playing as a half forward. But this is the best result Tyrone could have hoped for. A real test. If we blitzed Meath we would be in a false state of mind.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 09, 2018, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 09, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Colly cav looks a pale shadow of the player he was. Would he be an option at 14. Time may have caught up with him. We need to try something different I think
Don't think Richie is the option @ 14 but Cavanagh was decent tonight, he carried the ball out of defense when required. I'd move Burns. His ability to kick points from the 45 or outside is there for all to be seen but he offers little defensively. Burns conceded a few soft frees, I think McShane is better positioned at 14 with Burns playing as a half forward. But this is the best result Tyrone could have hoped for. A real test. If we blitzed Meath we would be in a false state of mind.
Suppose colly has set the bar that high for himself, maybe I'm not giving him enough credit this evening. Tough conditions for older players. Burns was blew harshly for the equaliser but mcgeary lucky at the end, def a free and got away with the penalty. Does oneill deserve one last chance at starting after saving us or will his role be of a sub in the last 10 min. Probably be the lattter. Presuming Bradly and Brennan can't be far away, maybe 2 weeks. If we take our chances we would win any game,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 09, 2018, 10:34:32 PM
Definitely harsh on Colm Cavanagh given he's only played a couple of county games this year and is trying to get back to fitness. If Tyrone get a run going he'd be the least of my worries.

Enjoyable game. Tyrone good in first half and should have been out of sight. Still missing too many chances. Performance after that was below the level needed but theee games are all about winning.

Two weeks now to get ready for next game and try to get the season going. Lot of work put in the last 6 months or more and over a number of years, might as well give it everything now and see where it takes them. Anyone hopzing they go out should never mentioning supporting Tyrone again. Utterly disrespectful to what our county is about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on June 09, 2018, 11:55:50 PM
What do we make of the Tyrone supporter being dragged from the ground by 2 garda all because he comitted the disgraceful crime of having a Palestinian flag?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 10, 2018, 12:01:36 AM
The question is why did the Tyrone fans let the guards away with it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 10, 2018, 12:08:46 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 10, 2018, 12:01:36 AM
The question is why did the Tyrone fans let the guards away with it?

What should they have done? They were there to watch a match not get themselves arrested for interfering with a Garda in the course of his duty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 10, 2018, 12:35:12 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 10, 2018, 12:08:46 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 10, 2018, 12:01:36 AM
The question is why did the Tyrone fans let the guards away with it?

What should they have done? They were there to watch a match not get themselves arrested for interfering with a Garda in the course of his duty.

I would process that much different than you. So the fan done nothing wrong accept being guilty of holding a Palestinian flag. That should be none of the Guards business.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 10, 2018, 01:30:27 AM
Think both Parties were wrong to an extent, the Palestinian/Isrealy conflict isn't going to be fixed on a Saturday evening in Navan. Sport and Politics don't mix well. If he was there to get behind his county and wanted to fly his flag there would be no shortage of them outside the ground.

At the same time there was no need for the heavy handed approach from the guards. The man also has a freedom of expression and wasn't promoting any hatred or illegal organisations
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 10, 2018, 03:02:18 AM
i have one simple point to make. If ronan o neill was as stubborn as mickey harte we would be our now.  To all you non believers ...


class is permanent.

Intelligence and vision are fairly important tools for a forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 10, 2018, 04:31:42 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 10, 2018, 12:35:12 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 10, 2018, 12:08:46 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 10, 2018, 12:01:36 AM
The question is why did the Tyrone fans let the guards away with it?

What should they have done? They were there to watch a match not get themselves arrested for interfering with a Garda in the course of his duty.

I would process that much different than you. So the fan done nothing wrong accept being guilty of holding a Palestinian flag. That should be none of the Guards business.

But you asked why the Tyrone fans let the Guards away with it !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 10, 2018, 05:27:24 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on June 09, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
Does Tyrone stick with  Richy Donelly at 14 in R2 and further should Tyrone progress? Personally I think not. He may be the one sacrificed should Brennan and Bradley return from injury
And people slate Mickey for it giving players a second chance!
Rickey did not impress but he must have shown something in training. I would try again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 10, 2018, 08:09:29 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 10, 2018, 03:02:18 AM
i have one simple point to make. If ronan o neill was as stubborn as mickey harte we would be our now.  To all you non believers ...


class is permanent.

Intelligence and vision are fairly important tools for a forward

So are speed, fitness, strength and workrate...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 10, 2018, 08:56:18 AM
Some crap talked on here with boys announcing Ronan O'Neill had left. He showed composure for the goal which others lacked. I don't think he has the fitness and athleticism to start but a good man to bring on in these kind of games.

I actually thought Richard Donnelly did ok in the first half last night. Won three or four balls kicked in acting as a decent target. I'd like to see more from Mattie though. 11 is also an important position in the team and I'm not sure Sludden has done enough from there in recent games.

I've a feeling an another player or two will be added to the squad in the coming days. Possibly a bit of experience at the level and you'd think he might look at an u20 or two. Donaghy took some great scores for them. Big Kennedy could be worth a look too, though he went off injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie53 on June 10, 2018, 11:57:08 AM
Our tackling was very poor yesterday how many times where we blown for tackling over the shoulder. Can we not stop man first then tackle we just seem to dive into it and v easy passed by then. Just another critic but we don't seem to be talking enough in defence either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on June 10, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 07:30:01 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 09, 2018, 06:48:15 PM
Think Tyrone will be boyant after that late equaliser with spirits lifted and Meath maybe thinking they missed the boat. Although I expected Tyrone to push on 2nd half. Still optimistic that we have more in the tank.

A prediction that went the right way. That's the test we needed. Got through the game look forward to the next challenge. Battle hardened will leave us in a positive place. No time for negativity, we need to unite and push on.

What fuckin bubble are you living in ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Pathetic from Tyrone. If they had any backbone they would not have been playing Meath
Worst team to represent the county in a very long time.  The ref is who you should be thanking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2018, 12:19:28 PM
Didn't post on the game yesturday as I was trying to think it over really.

Postives - Tyrone won, Ritchie Donnelly done rightly - without being superb. Ronan O'Neill answered his critics the best way possible and I thought that McShane stepped up, obviously when it really mattered. Paudie McNulty done well too, I thought it was harsh to take him off actually and I wouldn't have been too positive about him prior. Tyrone also kicked the ball plenty, showing a willingness to get it forward for once. This game will have done Tyrone no harm, they got the fright of their lives yesturday and to be honest - probably should be out of the AI Series with important players now to return. Didn't get punished ultimately by some dreadful finishing - Matty Donnellly missed one towards the end that had me thinking to myself this team is out.

Negatives - Are Tyrone running on empty already? Is Colm Cavanagh unfit or is he finished? I think it's a fair question - he's beginning to be targeted. Meath showed Tyrone absolutely no respect whatsoever (suppose why should they) - teams know we are there to be dumped out - we need another favourable draw next round-I think it would be better to avoid Monaghan/Tipp and losers of Down/Donegal. Discipline/Tackling as mentioned prior was brutal. Thought Meath were tactically better - bringing on the speedsters at the end of the game (normal time) should have had us out and I'd say the ref maybe helped Tyrone over the line.

Still think Tyrone will get to the Super 8's, but that's all she rode for the county unless they stumble across the formula over the next few games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 10, 2018, 12:55:29 PM
I thought Richie Donnelly was decent. The fella was playing out of position and took 3 or 4 balls in the air that other seasoned forwards would've missed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on June 11, 2018, 09:15:56 AM
Carlow   V   Tyrone
Cavan   V   Down
Sligo           V   Armagh
Waterford   V   Monaghan
Tipperary   V   Mayo
Kildare   V   Longford
Offaly   V   Clare
Leitrim   V   Louth

Whats the verdict on the draw.  Based on saturday nothing can be taken for granted but it could have been a lot worse.  Fixtures to be played weekend of June 23/24. 

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 11, 2018, 09:33:17 AM
Is Mattie D just another overrated footballer? (I've heard from people before and I use to argue with them but now I'm starting to think they are right)?

Tyrone should have been knocked out by a team Longford beat and I think Mickey Harte owes Cathal McShane a very large drink for saving his job - surely he wouldn't have survived if Tyrone had of been beat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 11, 2018, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on June 11, 2018, 09:15:56 AM
Carlow   V   Tyrone
Cavan   V   Down
Sligo           V   Armagh
Waterford   V   Monaghan
Tipperary   V   Mayo
Kildare   V   Longford
Offaly   V   Clare
Leitrim   V   Louth

Whats the verdict on the draw.  Based on saturday nothing can be taken for granted but it could have been a lot worse.  Fixtures to be played weekend of June 23/24.

Not being funny, but Carlow will be relishing this. Tyrone need to up their game so much - Carlow will be licking their lips at chance of taking what would be a major, major scalp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on June 11, 2018, 10:19:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 11, 2018, 09:33:17 AM
Is Mattie D just another overrated footballer? (I've heard from people before and I use to argue with them but now I'm starting to think they are right)?

Tyrone should have been knocked out by a team Longford beat and I think Mickey Harte owes Cathal McShane a very large drink for saving his job - surely he wouldn't have survived if Tyrone had of been beat.

If Mattie Donnelly wins one more all star he will equal the best all star return for a Tyrone player without an all Ireland medal.  If he retired right now would he be regarded as one of tyrones greats?  I would say no but strange considering he has 2 all stars.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 11, 2018, 10:28:58 AM
Didn't tyrone play Carlow in a challenge game at the beginning of the year and were beat?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 11, 2018, 10:38:33 AM
Tyrone could get to the last 8 now playing Carlow, Louth or Leitrim and Laois.........a bit like Dublin playing in Leinster!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 11, 2018, 10:54:46 AM
I am sure Mayo and several other teams be looking same.Can Tyrone play Monaghan in 3rd round qualifers if both come through.I read somewhere that they couldnt but may be wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 11, 2018, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: WT4E on June 11, 2018, 09:33:17 AM
Is Mattie D just another overrated footballer? (I've heard from people before and I use to argue with them but now I'm starting to think they are right)?

Tyrone should have been knocked out by a team Longford beat and I think Mickey Harte owes Cathal McShane a very large drink for saving his job - surely he wouldn't have survived if Tyrone had of been beat.

Thon McShane boy just wanted to avoid playing Greencastle yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 11, 2018, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2018, 12:19:28 PM
Didn't post on the game yesturday as I was trying to think it over really.

Postives - Tyrone won, Ritchie Donnelly done rightly - without being superb. Ronan O'Neill answered his critics the best way possible and I thought that McShane stepped up, obviously when it really mattered. Paudie McNulty done well too, I thought it was harsh to take him off actually and I wouldn't have been too positive about him prior. Tyrone also kicked the ball plenty, showing a willingness to get it forward for once. This game will have done Tyrone no harm, they got the fright of their lives yesturday and to be honest - probably should be out of the AI Series with important players now to return. Didn't get punished ultimately by some dreadful finishing - Matty Donnellly missed one towards the end that had me thinking to myself this team is out.

Negatives - Are Tyrone running on empty already? Is Colm Cavanagh unfit or is he finished? I think it's a fair question - he's beginning to be targeted. Meath showed Tyrone absolutely no respect whatsoever (suppose why should they) - teams know we are there to be dumped out - we need another favourable draw next round-I think it would be better to avoid Monaghan/Tipp and losers of Down/Donegal. Discipline/Tackling as mentioned prior was brutal. Thought Meath were tactically better - bringing on the speedsters at the end of the game (normal time) should have had us out and I'd say the ref maybe helped Tyrone over the line.

Still think Tyrone will get to the Super 8's, but that's all she rode for the county unless they stumble across the formula over the next few games.
Was at the game and it's funny how 2 supporters see the same match!
McNulty was very poor in my eyes as was McShane , if you take out the equalising point
Matty was average, although his workrate has improved and Richard was trying hard; a good target man I think.
C Cav isn't 100 fit but boy does he try!  T McCann deserved the red in my eyes, elbow to the ribs was milked obviously in front of the linesman.
Agree about the tackling, but that referee was brutal, against Tyrone in the first half, and basically against logic after that.
Burns is quality, maybe his tackling could be better and a new no.11?
Anyone else think that putting Matty to CHB and Burns to CHF at beginning of extra time was strange-a gamble??  I think it was a good one,  obviously RONeill coming on was better, but he should have been on sooner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 11, 2018, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 11, 2018, 10:54:46 AM
I am sure Mayo and several other teams be looking same.Can Tyrone play Monaghan in 3rd round qualifers if both come through.I read somewhere that they couldnt but may be wrong.

I think it's open draw now so yea they could meet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 11, 2018, 04:08:28 PM
Carlow is a decent draw for us. They'll be well up for it but their style should suit us down to the ground. Surely at this stage we are well use to dealing with a defensive set up. We have nearly mastered the defensive system (I appreciate this has lapsed a bit this year), having learned from Donegal so I can't see anything that Carlow can bring to the table with regards this tactic should unduly concern us. They are relative novices at developing that style, which may be effective in Div 4 and the early stages of a Leinster championship but this is a big step up for them to test their system against a team like Tyrone. They are unlikely to rattle a big score which will also help as our ability to score, outside of Skeet's purple patches, is very limited at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 11, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
Could send down a club team to beat Carlow
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on June 11, 2018, 05:22:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 11, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
Could send down a club team to beat Carlow

A fair few of our boys will be extra up for this 1. Can remember Poacher acting a real scallywag when he was involved with Down u21s against Tyrone. Think it would be Matty and Pete'ys age group.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 11, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on June 11, 2018, 05:22:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 11, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
Could send down a club team to beat Carlow

A fair few of our boys will be extra up for this 1. Can remember Poacher acting a real scallywag when he was involved with Down u21s against Tyrone. Think it would be Matty and Pete'ys age group.

I've also heard Teamtalk a couple of times allude to the fact that there was a few rows when we played Carlow in a challenge game before the McKenna Cup this year. Does anyone know anymore about that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 11, 2018, 06:40:40 PM
Sure TTM were talking Poacher up after the Kildare game may have had him on one night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 12, 2018, 12:34:54 PM
Heard that Kyle Coney has been invited back to train with the team tonight.
Solid source. Don't forget it was I that told you about Ruairi Sludden.

Quote from: Under Lights on June 01, 2018, 11:30:13 AM
Ruairi Sludden has been drafted into the panel according to my source.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 12, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on June 12, 2018, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 12, 2018, 12:34:54 PM
Heard that Kyle Coney has been invited back to train with the team tonight.
Solid source. Don't forget it was I that told you about Ruairi Sludden.

Quote from: Under Lights on June 01, 2018, 11:30:13 AM
Ruairi Sludden has been drafted into the panel according to my source.

Can't see it some how - wasn't he not part of the exodus from the east that took a van load of Shay, McNeice, PJ, & Dwayne Quinn away in one swoop!  Mickey O'Neill almost jumped back then too. A good youth player but that ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 12, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
I'm sceptical myself, just reporting what I've heard from someone who is usually on the money with these things. I posted Ruairi Sludden here on the 1st of June, Teamtalk had it up on the 4th (granted they can't post rumours)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 12, 2018, 02:15:33 PM
I'd be happy enough to see Kyle back and it takes balls for both manager and player to ask a player back and for it to happen.
There were rumours around Navan last Sat that McCurry WAS back.

I'm just happy to see Mickey even admit that we're far too short of proper forwards and whilst its too easy to take the "aul man's" attitude of "Ach sure he's no good and neither his he", we need to have some middling forwards to at least bring on from the bench rather than a lorry load of half backs to fit in anywhere.

Its so easy to sit in the crowd and pick holes in players games, especially forwards but I've also saw the same players get a wee boost and suddenly their confidence is sky high. Think of Mugsy before his 2005 wonder goal and how he was then after it. Harry Loughran might have got a tap in but I'd like to see a bit more of him the next day with Brennan and Sparky still out. A FF line of Skeet, Loughran and Richie would certainly allow for a lot more direct ball in which leads to a lot more variation in our tactics which the whole country know now what to expect from us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 12, 2018, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2018, 02:15:33 PM
I'd be happy enough to see Kyle back and it takes balls for both manager and player to ask a player back and for it to happen.
There were rumours around Navan last Sat that McCurry WAS back.

I'm just happy to see Mickey even admit that we're far too short of proper forwards and whilst its too easy to take the "aul man's" attitude of "Ach sure he's no good and neither his he", we need to have some middling forwards to at least bring on from the bench rather than a lorry load of half backs to fit in anywhere.

Its so easy to sit in the crowd and pick holes in players games, especially forwards but I've also saw the same players get a wee boost and suddenly their confidence is sky high. Think of Mugsy before his 2005 wonder goal and how he was then after it. Harry Loughran might have got a tap in but I'd like to see a bit more of him the next day with Brennan and Sparky still out. A FF line of Skeet, Loughran and Richie would certainly allow for a lot more direct ball in which leads to a lot more variation in our tactics which the whole country know now what to expect from us.

From what I believe, Mickey doesn't bother to give these lads a call. That's left up to Gavin Devlin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 12, 2018, 03:43:19 PM
I'm lead to believe that it was Mickey that rang Kyle and not Kyle's clubmate.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 12, 2018, 03:47:43 PM
What about giving Garret Devlin a chance? Big solid man who can win his own dirty ball and knows where the posts are. Any time I saw him I thought he was County material.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 12, 2018, 03:58:58 PM
It would make sense from a tactical point of view as Kyle has a bigger physical presence, however, my from memory he wasn't the best ball winner. If he is called up it tells me that we are going a more direct route and exploring other options which will do no harm at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 12, 2018, 03:59:51 PM
Do you mean Gareth? Good club player. Don't think, personally, he would have had the capabilities of stepping up to that level. He is 29 or so now as well. Not many people brought into county panels at that age. Different for someone like Kyle who has been there before and playing top level club football.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on June 12, 2018, 05:34:39 PM
If this is Gareth Devlin Stewartstown your talking about, Quality player. Very under rated, wins his own ball, can hit an inside forward with accurate balls, knows were the posts are and if needed has the strength to not let anyone walk over him anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on June 12, 2018, 08:53:57 PM
If it is true that Kyle has been invited back, I think the injury's to Bradley and Lee Brennan must be worse than has been reported
Coney is an enigmatic player, but he would definitely be on my panel!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on June 12, 2018, 09:41:01 PM
I'd be delighted if Kyle and McCurry are brought back in. Coney especially had something extra about him and I thought he was the great white hope of Tyrone football only a few years ago.

That said, he tweeted this a few weeks ago and I'd find it hard to believe he'd be brought back in after openly criticising the manaegment.

https://twitter.com/kyleconey1/status/973887672698753024

You can't tell me Darren McCurry isn't one of the 6 best forwards in Tyrone. Hasn't been allowed to express himself as past few seasons. #victimtothesystem

and then...

Without a doubt Kevin. A sad day Someone as talented as that feels the need to walk.


Nothing too outlandish in what he said but still...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 12, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
McCurry is in America right now - so he'll not be back this year anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on June 12, 2018, 10:05:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 12, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
McCurry is in America right now - so he'll not be back this year anyway.

Ah right I was just mentioning him after what Fuzzman was saying about rumours on Saturday, didn't know he went stateside.

Who did he sign for?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 12, 2018, 11:24:14 PM
Parnells.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 12, 2018, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: Club boi on June 12, 2018, 05:34:39 PM
If this is Gareth Devlin Stewartstown your talking about, Quality player. Very under rated, wins his own ball, can hit an inside forward with accurate balls, knows were the posts are and if needed has the strength to not let anyone walk over him anyway
The very boy has it all the complete player. I seen him score points like Stephen ONeill out beside the corner flag. He was marking good men too. Seriously strong and fit as fiddle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 12, 2018, 11:53:43 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 12, 2018, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: Club boi on June 12, 2018, 05:34:39 PM
If this is Gareth Devlin Stewartstown your talking about, Quality player. Very under rated, wins his own ball, can hit an inside forward with accurate balls, knows were the posts are and if needed has the strength to not let anyone walk over him anyway
The very boy has it all the complete player. I seen him score points like Stephen ONeill out beside the corner flag. He was marking good men too. Seriously strong and fit as fiddle.
Not sure about the fit as a fiddle. Rony oneill get slated here about his fitness but it would a long way ahead of Gareth Devlin at present. Good player but not anywhere near consideration for a county team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 13, 2018, 07:08:29 AM
Correct, Goals
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 13, 2018, 07:31:27 AM
Dan Lowe from the same club might be worth a look in next year or two
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 13, 2018, 09:25:19 AM
Is it true that Tyrone Under 20s were training last night admist an appeal that has been launched against the semi final result???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on June 13, 2018, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 13, 2018, 09:25:19 AM
Is it true that Tyrone Under 20s were training last night admist an appeal that has been launched against the semi final result???

Well I was talking to two of the team last night so they weren't training but I have heard more talk of an appeal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 13, 2018, 09:57:30 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 12, 2018, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: Club boi on June 12, 2018, 05:34:39 PM
If this is Gareth Devlin Stewartstown your talking about, Quality player. Very under rated, wins his own ball, can hit an inside forward with accurate balls, knows were the posts are and if needed has the strength to not let anyone walk over him anyway
The very boy has it all the complete player. I seen him score points like Stephen ONeill out beside the corner flag. He was marking good men too. Seriously strong and fit as fiddle.
He is a very good player and playing well at club level, but when I seen him this year he didnt look 'fit as a fiddle'
He would need to shed a few pounds in order to be in the reckoning for an inter county return.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 13, 2018, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 13, 2018, 07:31:27 AM
Dan Lowe from the same club might be worth a look in next year or two

Hows Dan playing at the minute? Seen glimpses and looks like a potential superstar, does he have the temperament for it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 13, 2018, 10:06:38 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 13, 2018, 09:25:19 AM
Is it true that Tyrone Under 20s were training last night admist an appeal that has been launched against the semi final result???

My own clubs u20 member was at our club training last night - although admittedly, watching.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 13, 2018, 10:15:55 AM
Seen both Stewartstown players a few weeks back and didn't stand out as being county material. DL most impressive but possibly not got the physique to be the type of player Tyrone need?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 13, 2018, 10:42:42 AM
Speaking to Omagh men who are close to the club I know that Conan Grogan was definitely invited back in a few weeks ago but declined the offer!!
Great player after watching him last year in last years championship, haven't saw him yet this year but even after last year he deserved a call up!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on June 13, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
I'd heard some talk of both Stewartstown men heading to the States also for the summer which would obviously rule out any unlikely call-up anyway. Donnelly from Killyclogher is another man heading to America.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on June 13, 2018, 06:33:37 PM
If it's out and out scoretakers we're talking. What about Darragh Kavanagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on June 13, 2018, 06:41:45 PM
Kavanagh too small for the county game. I think if we were flat out we'd struggle to find a role for Mark Bradley at the minute. I think Mickey is going for bigger, stronger forwards that can win more 50/50 ball as evidenced with Richie in full forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 13, 2018, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on June 13, 2018, 06:41:45 PM
Kavanagh too small for the county game. I think if we were flat out we'd struggle to find a role for Mark Bradley at the minute. I think Mickey is going for bigger, stronger forwards that can win more 50/50 ball as evidenced with Richie in full forward.

Don't think Mickey is going for forwards at all at the minute as evidence his recent selections
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 13, 2018, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 13, 2018, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on June 13, 2018, 06:41:45 PM
Kavanagh too small for the county game. I think if we were flat out we'd struggle to find a role for Mark Bradley at the minute. I think Mickey is going for bigger, stronger forwards that can win more 50/50 ball as evidenced with Richie in full forward.

Don't think Mickey is going for forwards at all at the minute as evidence his recent selections
His substitutions the last day certainly didnt have forwards as the priority anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 13, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
Tyrone have lodged an objection to the Ulster council after the result of the u20 game. Doubt much will come of it. It would cause Ulster a major headache replaying the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 13, 2018, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 13, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
Tyrone have lodged an objection to the Ulster council after the result of the u20 game. Doubt much will come of it. It would cause Ulster a major headache replaying the game.

Tyrone County board need to catch themselves on here. The u20s should have taken care of business on the field and this thumbing through the rule book to look a replay on a technicality is sad. Particularly when your opposition gained no advantage for the rule break as you where equally guilty. Have a bit of class and do not expose the county to justifiable ridicule.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 13, 2018, 10:40:36 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 13, 2018, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 13, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
Tyrone have lodged an objection to the Ulster council after the result of the u20 game. Doubt much will come of it. It would cause Ulster a major headache replaying the game.

Tyrone County board need to catch themselves on here. The u20s should have taken care of business on the field and this thumbing through the rule book to look a replay on a technicality is sad. Particularly when your opposition gained no advantage for the rule break as you where equally guilty. Have a bit of class and do not expose the county to justifiable ridicule.
Should have been Armagh 12 Tyrone 13. So 15 on 15 definitely gave advantage to Armagh. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 13, 2018, 10:42:21 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on June 13, 2018, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 13, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
Tyrone have lodged an objection to the Ulster council after the result of the u20 game. Doubt much will come of it. It would cause Ulster a major headache replaying the game.

Tyrone County board need to catch themselves on here. The u20s should have taken care of business on the field and this thumbing through the rule book to look a replay on a technicality is sad. Particularly when your opposition gained no advantage for the rule break as you where equally guilty. Have a bit of class and do not expose the county to justifiable ridicule.

Smacks of desperation. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 13, 2018, 11:17:49 PM
Shouldn't have to raise an objection.
If a wrong was committed then Ulster GAA should look at it and make a decision regarding punishment.
If that is a replay then so be it.
Shouldn't be up to any team to point out a wrong to them. It's Ulster GAA's job to spot themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 14, 2018, 07:35:37 AM
Embarrassing stuff. A complaint on the basis that it shouldnt have been 15 v 15? Conceeding therefore that we couldnt beat them with same number of men on the field but needed the advantage of an extra man to do so..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 14, 2018, 07:35:37 AM
Embarrassing stuff. A complaint on the basis that it shouldnt have been 15 v 15? Conceeding therefore that we couldnt beat them with same number of men on the field but needed the advantage of an extra man to do so..

I don't agree with the appeal but your logic above is foolish.... by the same thinking everytime an opposing team had a player sent off should the benefiting team say let him stay on sure if we can't beat them with 15 its not a really a victory!!!!!  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on June 14, 2018, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 14, 2018, 07:35:37 AM
Embarrassing stuff. A complaint on the basis that it shouldnt have been 15 v 15? Conceeding therefore that we couldnt beat them with same number of men on the field but needed the advantage of an extra man to do so..

I don't agree with the appeal but your logic above is foolish.... by the same thinking everytime an opposing team had a player sent off should the benefiting team say let him stay on sure if we can't beat them with 15 its not a really a victory!!!!!  ::)

Only by the same thinking if you are stupid. A sending off during a game is not the same as a team starting extra time or a replay without their full complement of players.  Whether or not you agree with that rule is a different story but it is not the same. The evidence that they could not win 15 v 15 was that they could not do so in normal time nor could they do it in extra time. Nor indeed could they do it in extra extra time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 14, 2018, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 13, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
Tyrone have lodged an objection to the Ulster council after the result of the u20 game. Doubt much will come of it. It would cause Ulster a major headache replaying the game.

Embarrasing stuff from the county board. Tyrone were beat. Move on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 14, 2018, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on June 14, 2018, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: Oghams Law on June 14, 2018, 07:35:37 AM
Embarrassing stuff. A complaint on the basis that it shouldnt have been 15 v 15? Conceeding therefore that we couldnt beat them with same number of men on the field but needed the advantage of an extra man to do so..

I don't agree with the appeal but your logic above is foolish.... by the same thinking everytime an opposing team had a player sent off should the benefiting team say let him stay on sure if we can't beat them with 15 its not a really a victory!!!!!  ::)

Only by the same thinking if you are stupid. A sending off during a game is not the same as a team starting extra time or a replay without their full complement of players.  Whether or not you agree with that rule is a different story but it is not the same. The evidence that they could not win 15 v 15 was that they could not do so in normal time nor could they do it in extra time. Nor indeed could they do it in extra extra time.

Your not really making sense here so i'll just leave it there!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 15, 2018, 12:22:02 AM
Under 20s have lost their appeal against the Armagh result.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 15, 2018, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on June 15, 2018, 12:22:02 AM
Under 20s have lost their appeal against the Armagh result.
The appeal was misguided and desperation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 15, 2018, 08:31:40 AM
think someone said it above but Devlin doesn't seem to have a great record with the minors and now under 20's, couldn't understand how he got the job in the first place given the calibre of those in for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 15, 2018, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 15, 2018, 08:31:40 AM
think someone said it above but Devlin doesn't seem to have a great record with the minors and now under 20's, couldn't understand how he got the job in the first place given the calibre of those in for it.

Who else was in for it at the time?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 15, 2018, 09:55:22 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 15, 2018, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on June 15, 2018, 12:22:02 AM
Under 20s have lost their appeal against the Armagh result.
The appeal was misguided and desperation.

Who ultimately makes the decision whether to appeal or not in a case like this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: arkle on June 15, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
County board have disgraced themselves twice in the last week. Firstly sacking John Hurson by text because he,s involved in humanitarian work for the Palestinians of Gaza and his face no longer fits. Secondly appealing the result of the U20 semi final, embarrassing behavior, so much for 'Gaelic Tyrone'.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on June 15, 2018, 02:40:36 PM
100% correct arkle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 15, 2018, 04:22:45 PM
Quote from: arkle on June 15, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
County board have disgraced themselves twice in the last week. Firstly sacking John Hurson by text because he,s involved in humanitarian work for the Palestinians of Gaza and his face no longer fits. Secondly appealing the result of the U20 semi final, embarrassing behavior, so much for 'Gaelic Tyrone'.
Agreed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on June 15, 2018, 05:13:07 PM
Not being close to the case o don't know what their grounds were. What is obvious is that many were unhappy with an appeal. I'll side with that camp until communication improves over the matter. Wish Armagh luck and get on with it unless there was a significant unfair application of the rules  along the way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on June 15, 2018, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: arkle on June 15, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
County board have disgraced themselves twice in the last week. Firstly sacking John Hurson by text because he,s involved in humanitarian work for the Palestinians of Gaza and his face no longer fits. Secondly appealing the result of the U20 semi final, embarrassing behavior, so much for 'Gaelic Tyrone'.

Don't understand why he got the heave ho for Palestine? I know the GAA isn't meant to be political but its not as if he's the first person to show allegiance to a cause or party? Is it not well known that 1 of the County board officials is a big SF man?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 15, 2018, 06:34:21 PM
Gaa officials all over have political affiliations to different parties dont see a problem.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on June 15, 2018, 09:37:20 PM
How big a loss is Sean Cavanagh?

Can't help but think he'd have carried us over the line v Monaghan as well as put Meath to sleep long before the final whistle last week, even yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 15, 2018, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 15, 2018, 09:37:20 PM
How big a loss is Sean Cavanagh?

Can't help but think he'd have carried us over the line v Monaghan as well as put Meath to sleep long before the final whistle last week, even yet.

Maybe Mickey should give him a ring and recall him to the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on June 15, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: arkle on June 15, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
County board have disgraced themselves twice in the last week. Firstly sacking John Hurson by text because he,s involved in humanitarian work for the Palestinians of Gaza and his face no longer fits. Secondly appealing the result of the U20 semi final, embarrassing behavior, so much for 'Gaelic Tyrone'.
Agreed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 15, 2018, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: DEL on June 15, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: arkle on June 15, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
County board have disgraced themselves twice in the last week. Firstly sacking John Hurson by text because he,s involved in humanitarian work for the Palestinians of Gaza and his face no longer fits. Secondly appealing the result of the U20 semi final, embarrassing behavior, so much for 'Gaelic Tyrone'.
Agreed

Me too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 16, 2018, 08:08:26 AM
Can this Hurson man still not go to the games as before. He was doing it on a voluntary role anyway. He could use this opportunity to make it on his own as journalist. Look at Philly mc, how successful his Twitter feed is. For all we know it was more than likely the action of one man from clogher and not the county board.
Half Yous clowns didn't even know the u20 game was on then Yous go into overdrive over something Yous know nothing about. What Armagh done was wrong and as blatant cheating as you would get
Glad they were challenged on it at least
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on June 17, 2018, 12:35:19 AM
What did Armagh do wrong??
Was at it and I don't know what you are on about?
Teams need discipline and I'm afraid tyrone didn't have it.
I still think they had the best 15 but ther didn't perform
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 17, 2018, 12:56:55 AM
Should have been Armagh with 12 and Tyrone with 13. Instead it was 15 on 15. So armagh gained a sizeable advantage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 17, 2018, 10:14:06 AM
Tyrone had no business appealing. It was Tyrone indiscipline that caused that melee when they were seconds from victory. If there were questions to be asked the game was the time to do it not after a defeat. Ulster GAA have basically handed Derry the trophy by suspending 10 of the Armagh players. If they didn't need a final played they may have thrown both teams out of the competition.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 17, 2018, 01:13:48 PM
Marc O Se now questioning Sean Cavanagh as a man and accuses him of being a snitch...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/he-should-have-said-what-he-thought-to-mickeys-face-marc-s-takes-aim-at-snitch-sean-cavanagh-37019158.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 17, 2018, 01:48:22 PM
Has Sean any friends left lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on June 17, 2018, 03:35:19 PM
Great to see Tyrone ladies winning Ulster today again.... they really are the masters of intermediate football in Ulster  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 17, 2018, 03:48:37 PM
Sidebottom doesn't pull his punches with these questions. Tyrone GAA providing more entertainment off the field these days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/44473589
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 17, 2018, 04:50:02 PM
I like Ricey he's right on with his responses.

He reminds me a wee bit of George Best in the looks department these days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 17, 2018, 04:58:34 PM
I don't get the line theres no one else in Tyrone can take the team. It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 17, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2018, 04:58:34 PM
I don't get the line theres no one else in Tyrone can take the team. It's ridiculous.

Who in Tyrone could deliver success?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 17, 2018, 08:08:22 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 17, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2018, 04:58:34 PM
I don't get the line theres no one else in Tyrone can take the team. It's ridiculous.

Who in Tyrone could deliver success?

So if Harte quits we have to go outside the county? Logan-Canavan  Tally....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 17, 2018, 09:53:22 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2018, 08:08:22 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 17, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2018, 04:58:34 PM
I don't get the line theres no one else in Tyrone can take the team. It's ridiculous.

Who in Tyrone could deliver success?

So if Harte quits we have to go outside the county? Logan-Canavan  Tally....
Not disagreeing about a fresh voice needed but do you think any of the men you named will play a more attacking brand of football or would we get more of the same?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 17, 2018, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2018, 08:08:22 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 17, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2018, 04:58:34 PM
I don't get the line theres no one else in Tyrone can take the team. It's ridiculous.

Who in Tyrone could deliver success?

So if Harte quits we have to go outside the county? Logan-Canavan  Tally....
Mc Elholm, Porter and Tally all coaching at a level above Tyrone at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 17, 2018, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 17, 2018, 09:53:22 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2018, 08:08:22 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 17, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 17, 2018, 04:58:34 PM
I don't get the line theres no one else in Tyrone can take the team. It's ridiculous.

Who in Tyrone could deliver success?

So if Harte quits we have to go outside the county? Logan-Canavan  Tally....
Not disagreeing about a fresh voice needed but do you think any of the men you named will play a more attacking brand of football or would we get more of the same?

Or we could be afraid of change and go nowhere forever
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on June 18, 2018, 12:31:04 AM
I'd love to see Ricey involved with Tyrone in some capacity. Too good a man to be working outside of the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on June 18, 2018, 01:32:28 AM
Got to see Darren McCurry in action tonight he played very well. Scored an excellent penalty. Unfortunately for him his side lost by four points. But they did win their first game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 19, 2018, 11:49:57 AM
A picture tells a thousand words.

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I'd say Sean's dad is happy enough anyway as I believe he never forgave Harte for influencing Sean from not going to Aussie rules

What are peoples thoughts on this argument that some men are great coaches but they will never be good managers? Do they just get labelled early in their careers as coaches and then find it hard to shake that label off?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 19, 2018, 11:56:18 AM
Aye you're right Fuzzman poor Sean suffered badly for not making the move. If he'd have gone to Australia he would have his own accountancy business, gig on the Sunday game and a book coming out. Oh wait hang on a minute. . .

How do you know his dad never forgave Harte? Sounds like fabricated nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 19, 2018, 12:15:31 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2018, 11:56:18 AM
Aye you're right Fuzzman poor Sean suffered badly for not making the move. If he'd have gone to Australia he would have his own accountancy business, gig on the Sunday game and a book coming out. Oh wait hang on a minute. . .

How do you know his dad never forgave Harte? Sounds like fabricated nonsense.

If you go to any club game and stand anywhere within 50 metres you'll know his dad isn't exactly a forgiving type.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
After all Sean did, including dragging Tyrone over the line in the All Ireland final of 2008 (he was awesome that day) it was very poor of Mickey to take the middle out of him in his book about a match a year later.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 19, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 19, 2018, 12:15:31 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2018, 11:56:18 AM
Aye you're right Fuzzman poor Sean suffered badly for not making the move. If he'd have gone to Australia he would have his own accountancy business, gig on the Sunday game and a book coming out. Oh wait hang on a minute. . .

How do you know his dad never forgave Harte? Sounds like fabricated nonsense.

If you go to any club game and stand anywhere within 50 metres you'll know his dad isn't exactly a forgiving type.


That doesn't answer square ball's question.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 19, 2018, 05:21:42 PM
Plot twist: longballin is big teddy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 05:35:03 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 19, 2018, 05:21:42 PM
Plot twist: longballin is big teddy

Teddy wasn't happy with the book carry-on either. It is his son after all. Daddy bear...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 20, 2018, 09:13:48 AM
Tyrone where training last night, does anyone actually know if Coney trained or not?? I personally don't think he will re-join the team following his twitter post a few weeks ago but I have been known to have been wrong before
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 20, 2018, 10:00:27 AM
No, didn't go
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on June 20, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
Tyrone Team V Carlow?:
O'Neill
McGeary McNamee Hampsey
McKernan Burns McCann
Cavanagh McNulty
Meyler Harte Mattie
McShane Richie D McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 20, 2018, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 20, 2018, 10:00:27 AM
No, didn't go
How do you know ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 20, 2018, 06:25:44 PM
Bigone did Mc Cann not get a red card the last day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 20, 2018, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 20, 2018, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 20, 2018, 10:00:27 AM
No, didn't go
How do you know ?
He didn't join the panel. Turned it down
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 20, 2018, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on June 20, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
Tyrone Team V Carlow?:
O'Neill
McGeary McNamee Hampsey
McKernan Burns McCann
Cavanagh McNulty
Meyler Harte Mattie
McShane Richie D McAliskey

No Sludden? Meyler half back for McCann (whether he's suspended or not) and Sludden in number 10. He's not playing great but we need to let him play himself into form again, otherwise that's pretty much how I'd see the starting 15 too. Interesting to see if Morgan gets a recall. Also I'd expect McNulty to get called ashore at half time for McClure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on June 21, 2018, 08:08:58 AM
Forgot about the red card to be honest. Yes, Sludden in and Meyler at 7  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 08:35:06 AM
alot of the players haven't been in form. I would personally like to see more changes to create more competition. Rory Brennan in at half back could be an option. Harry loughran looked sharp up front when he came on against meath. Oneill had a good game in nets the last day. Has to stay in for the Carlow game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 21, 2018, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 08:35:06 AM
alot of the players haven't been in form. I would personally like to see more changes to create more competition. Rory Brennan in at half back could be an option. Harry loughran looked sharp up front when he came on against meath. Oneill had a good game in nets the last day. Has to stay in for the Carlow game.

I counted him poor.... would have been a total disaster game had O'neill not put one on a plate for him? Could be a good game for RON to continue to get confidence back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 21, 2018, 09:08:15 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 08:35:06 AM
alot of the players haven't been in form. I would personally like to see more changes to create more competition. Rory Brennan in at half back could be an option. Harry loughran looked sharp up front when he came on against meath. Oneill had a good game in nets the last day. Has to stay in for the Carlow game.

I was a bit disappointed with Harry Loughran against Meath, he just seemed a yard or two off the pace and struggled to win a few balls that came his way. He does however, seem to have an uncanny knack of being in the right place to score goals...which always makes him a valuable option.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
RON has to play, opposite for McShane, very poor last day if you take the last minute point out of it.  Too lazy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 21, 2018, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
RON has to play, opposite for McShane, very poor last day if you take the last minute point out of it.  Too lazy

Zero chance of McShane being dropped for this game after scoring the equaliser v Meath and saving our season. I'm expecting the same team with Peter Harte coming in for McCann. Ronan O'Neill to come off the bench earlier as a reward for his contribution the last day. Have seen it reported in a few media outlets that McCarron missed the Meath game with a chest infection and is expected to return to the defence. Hoping this doesn't mean the starting 15, think Hugh Pat and McKernan earned another start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2018, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2018, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on June 20, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
Tyrone Team V Carlow?:
O'Neill
McGeary McNamee Hampsey
McKernan Burns McCann
Cavanagh McNulty
Meyler Harte Mattie
McShane Richie D McAliskey

No Sludden? Meyler half back for McCann (whether he's suspended or not) and Sludden in number 10. He's not playing great but we need to let him play himself into form again, otherwise that's pretty much how I'd see the starting 15 too. Interesting to see if Morgan gets a recall. Also I'd expect McNulty to get called ashore at half time for McClure.

He's injured, i'm told.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 21, 2018, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on June 21, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
RON has to play, opposite for McShane, very poor last day if you take the last minute point out of it.  Too lazy

I take it you don't attend many games... I'd say McShane is probably one of the busiest players on the pitch and in fact had the most touches of the ball V Meath & I'm sure that a Km distance covered surpasses most if not all on the team. Don't disagree that Ronan O'Neill deserves to start or come on ahead of the likes of Loughran but can't see Ruairi Sludden getting any game 'TIME'.

I wouldn't necessarily praise someone for having the most touches or covering the most kilometres in a game. It's what you do with the ball when you have it or how much influence you have when you run back in to defence etc. For all his touches McShane was wasteful at times v Meath, falling into his old habits of taking shots from unrealistic angles or trying to force ball into the full forward line when it wasn't on. The last minute equaliser probably papers over the cracks and is the reason why he will start on Saturday but he still has a lot of improving to do.

Disappointing to read Mark Bradley has had a setback in his recovery from injury, i would have hoped he'd be fit to come off the bench this weekend. I would also hope that Ruairi Sludden would get some gametime this weekend, if we keep winning we have a very hectic schedule of games coming up and the whole panel will be required so it could be a good chance to introduce him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Not going to do the requote thing,  but well said BigPack.
I was at  the Meath game Degrassi, and McShane was frustrating to watch for most of the time,  keep an eye on him some time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 21, 2018, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on June 21, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
RON has to play, opposite for McShane, very poor last day if you take the last minute point out of it.  Too lazy

I take it you don't attend many games... I'd say McShane is probably one of the busiest players on the pitch and in fact had the most touches of the ball V Meath & I'm sure that a Km distance covered surpasses most if not all on the team. Don't disagree that Ronan O'Neill deserves to start or come on ahead of the likes of Loughran but can't see Ruairi Sludden getting any game 'TIME'.

I see what you've done there  ;D

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 11:29:49 AM
Carlow will be no pushovers,  would be worth going just to see Poachers' actions!!  He's a cute hoor, !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 11:29:49 AM
Carlow will be no pushovers,  would be worth going just to see Poachers' actions!!  He's a cute hoor, !

Carlow will be very tough to beat. 15 men behind the ball is tough to break down. they are an upcoming team. it will be a bad match to watch. unless tyrone get a good start and build a lead. then they can play ball out around the middle and force Carlow to come out of their defensive 15 men set up and chase the game which will free up space for tyrone.

a big start is very important for both teams here. If Carlow get an early lead of 3 or 4 points tyrone will struggle to come back and win that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 21, 2018, 11:57:21 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 11:29:49 AM
Carlow will be no pushovers,  would be worth going just to see Poachers' actions!!  He's a cute hoor, !

Carlow will be very tough to beat. 15 men behind the ball is tough to break down. they are an upcoming team. it will be a bad match to watch. unless tyrone get a good start and build a lead. then they can play ball out around the middle and force Carlow to come out of their defensive 15 men set up and chase the game which will free up space for tyrone.

a big start is very important for both teams here. If Carlow get an early lead of 3 or 4 points tyrone will struggle to come back and win that.

Interesting that Tyrone started very strongly against both Monaghan and Meath before fading slightly. I remember after the Galway league game where we conceded an early goal there were a few interviews from players and management stressing the need for a good start. Then in the next game v Dublin we came out and got an early goal through McShane. As you say, if we start well and build up a few points lead I think this could turn into a routine win.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2018, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 11:29:49 AM
Carlow will be no pushovers,  would be worth going just to see Poachers' actions!!  He's a cute hoor, !

Carlow will be very tough to beat. 15 men behind the ball is tough to break down. they are an upcoming team. it will be a bad match to watch. unless tyrone get a good start and build a lead. then they can play ball out around the middle and force Carlow to come out of their defensive 15 men set up and chase the game which will free up space for tyrone.

a big start is very important for both teams here. If Carlow get an early lead of 3 or 4 points tyrone will struggle to come back and win that.

The onus on Tyrone is to make Carlow play on Tyrone terms - ie Tyrone need to get ahead early and make them chase a game they are set up to do the exact opposite. If Carlow get a lead, Tyrone are in for a war of attrition, something which it won't be lost on Carlow, Tyrone struggle doing these days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 21, 2018, 12:24:58 PM
If Tyrone can't beat Carlow...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 21, 2018, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 21, 2018, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
RON has to play, opposite for McShane, very poor last day if you take the last minute point out of it.  Too lazy

Zero chance of McShane being dropped for this game after scoring the equaliser v Meath and saving our season. I'm expecting the same team with Peter Harte coming in for McCann. Ronan O'Neill to come off the bench earlier as a reward for his contribution the last day. Have seen it reported in a few media outlets that McCarron missed the Meath game with a chest infection and is expected to return to the defence. Hoping this doesn't mean the starting 15, think Hugh Pat and McKernan earned another start.

I thought Hugh Pat did well at times in the league but struggled the last day. Was well behind his man at times. If it had been McRory we'd have heard a lot more about it on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on June 21, 2018, 12:37:56 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 21, 2018, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 21, 2018, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
RON has to play, opposite for McShane, very poor last day if you take the last minute point out of it.  Too lazy

Zero chance of McShane being dropped for this game after scoring the equaliser v Meath and saving our season. I'm expecting the same team with Peter Harte coming in for McCann. Ronan O'Neill to come off the bench earlier as a reward for his contribution the last day. Have seen it reported in a few media outlets that McCarron missed the Meath game with a chest infection and is expected to return to the defence. Hoping this doesn't mean the starting 15, think Hugh Pat and McKernan earned another start.

I thought Hugh Pat did well at times in the league but struggled the last day. Was well behind his man at times. If it had been McRory we'd have heard a lot more about it on here.

For those that don't know, Hugh Pat is diabetic and took a low during the Meath game, hence the poor performance. In the television pictures you can see the doctor immediately went over to him when he was substituted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2018, 12:56:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 21, 2018, 12:24:58 PM
If Tyrone can't beat Carlow...

Exactly. There can be no excuses - that's not arrogance to Carlow. I do expect them to make this game pretty tight with Tyrone to pull away in the end.

Tyrone have had their scare, for a team that considers themselves on the top table - this should be a routine run of the mill 5 pt + win. Tyrone tactics unfortunately might make this one tougher than it has to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 01:16:00 PM
Carlow gave monaghan a tight run last year. No bad team. still think tyrone will scrape through but will be no hammering match or walk in the park. I think most teams would be the same except Dublin maybe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 01:29:37 PM
Exactly , failure to respect Carlow will result in a burst of colour blindness!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 01:34:17 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 21, 2018, 01:29:37 PM
Exactly , failure to respect Carlow will result in a burst of colour blindness!!

That's always a danger also when playing a lesser team. Would like to know more about the preseason friendly between the two now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 21, 2018, 03:03:59 PM
Anyone else hear that Ruari Sludden is already a goner from the panel? Apparently spotted in a certain establishment on Greencastle cross roads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 21, 2018, 03:34:32 PM
Heard he was having a great TIME Monday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 21, 2018, 11:17:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2018, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2018, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on June 20, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
Tyrone Team V Carlow?:
O'Neill
McGeary McNamee Hampsey
McKernan Burns McCann
Cavanagh McNulty
Meyler Harte Mattie
McShane Richie D McAliskey

No Sludden? Meyler half back for McCann (whether he's suspended or not) and Sludden in number 10. He's not playing great but we need to let him play himself into form again, otherwise that's pretty much how I'd see the starting 15 too. Interesting to see if Morgan gets a recall. Also I'd expect McNulty to get called ashore at half time for McClure.

He's injured, i'm told.

He's not by the looks of it..
1 N Morgan
2 P Hamspey
3 R McNamee
4 C McCarron
5 M McKernan
6 F Burns 
7 P Harte
8 C Cavanagh
9 D McClure
10 M Donnelly 
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 C McShane
14 R Donnelly
15 C McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 21, 2018, 11:18:26 PM
Team V Carlow:
1 N Morgan
2 P Hamspey
3 R McNamee
4 C McCarron
5 M McKernan
6 F Burns
7 P Harte
8 C Cavanagh
9 D McClure
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 C McShane
14 R Donnelly
15 C McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 22, 2018, 08:12:09 AM
Mickey O'Neill harshly done there.

Anyone got the list of subs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 22, 2018, 08:57:21 AM
Tyrone must win convincingly. Nothing less than an double digit margin should be seen as a failure. For all the blow and bluster it's Carlow ffs.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on June 22, 2018, 08:59:27 AM
Subs: M O'Neill, R Brennan, M Cassidy, H Loughran, C McCann, A McCrory, HP McGeary, K McGeary, P McNulty, R O'Neill, R Sludden.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 22, 2018, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 22, 2018, 08:12:09 AM
Mickey O'Neill harshly done there.

Anyone got the list of subs?
M O'Neill,
R Brennan,
M Cassidy,
H Loughran,
C McCann,
A McCrory,
HP McGeary,
K McGeary,
P McNulty,
R O'Neill,
R Sludden
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 22, 2018, 09:26:37 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 22, 2018, 08:12:09 AM
Mickey O'Neill harshly done there.

Anyone got the list of subs?

Sure he wasn't listed to start the last day - could well start anyway. Maybe he prefers to wear 16.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 25, 2018, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 21, 2018, 03:03:59 PM
Anyone else hear that Ruari Sludden is already a goner from the panel? Apparently spotted in a certain establishment on Greencastle cross roads.

He was named on the 26 so definitely not a goner
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2018, 11:41:43 AM
Reports coming through that the #NEWBRIDGEORNOWHERE campaign has been successful and the Mayo v Kildare game will be played in Newbridge.  Where does this leave us?  Surely the GAA wont open up Croke Park for a stand alone game between Tyrone and Cavan.  Personally I find Clones hard to beat on a warm summers day  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2018, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on June 27, 2018, 11:41:43 AM
Reports coming through that the #NEWBRIDGEORNOWHERE campaign has been successful and the Mayo v Kildare game will be played in Newbridge.  Where does this leave us?  Surely the GAA wont open up Croke Park for a stand alone game between Tyrone and Cavan.  Personally I find Clones hard to beat on a warm summers day  8)

Brewster Park now the preferred option to stage Cavan v Tyrone!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 28, 2018, 04:14:06 PM
It's been very quiet on here since the Carlow game although I must say I am feeling positive about our current situation and think we are building nicely as the year progresses, without ever hitting top form yet.

In Meath, Carlow and Cavan we have had great draws so far in the Qualifiers. It would have done us no good whatsoever to play the likes of Waterford or Leitrim and whilst these are all teams we should be beating, they each provide a challenge and are the type of games that will stand to us as we hopefully progress in the Championship.

Positives from the last few games include Richie Donnelly playing well and offering us another option in the full forward line. The likes of Meyler, McKernan and Frank Burns all getting consistent game time and performing well, as well as Mattie and Petey starting so show some for and Colm Cavanagh starting to look like his old self.

I fancy us to beat Cavan relatively convincingly on Saturday evening and also fancy our chances against any of the provincial losers. However it must be said that, with potentially 6 games in 7 weeks, as the weeks progress it will be increasingly difficult for the teams coming through from the qualifiers. Of course the teams coming through the front door should be at an advantage but I think this Scheduling is a bit over the top in their favour and is something the GAA might want to address for next year.

Anyway, is anyone expecting any changes for this weekend? And does anyone have any insight on when Bradley and Brennan can be expected back? We could really do with at least one of these lads being fit to come off the bench this weekend because if we are to make the Super 8s they will need a couple of weeks beforehand to get back up to speed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 28, 2018, 08:23:08 PM
I can't see many changes at this stage. I don't think we've settled on a midfield partner for Colm Cavanagh yet. Mcclure and McNulty both struggled in the last few games. Wouldn't rule out McCann coming in and Mattie pushing to midfield. Ideally we'd leave him in the forwards and have a bigger man in the middle as kickouts are becoming more important.

McCarron got skinned early on the last day but there wasn't much ball sent in after that. Harte might think at this stage he's as good as we have. It's a pity Rory Brennan hasn't pushed on more as he looked to have plenty of potential.

I think Morgan gets a hard time on here. Other than free kicks he's been very reliable generally and is good under the high ball. His kickouts would be ahead of O'Neill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 28, 2018, 10:35:51 PM
Had the kids up in Garvaghey at the play park and the senior team were training. Both Bradley and Brennan trained separately with Michael Harte. Looks like there's no chance we'll see them this weekend.

On a separate note, my eldest lad (7) sat watching in pure star struck fashion. During the kick about before training started a ball came over to him and he passed it back to Ritchy Donnelly, Ritchy called him over a took him over to the kids nets and kicked points with him for a good 5 mins amongst all the Senior players. Fair play to him, my wee lad walked off 10 feet tall!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 29, 2018, 09:56:02 AM
Well done Ritchie Donnelly, I'd be as harsh as most people on some of the Tyrone players of modern times but I do know they do a lot of unseen things like this with the younger generation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 29, 2018, 09:58:30 AM
That's great Omagh_Gael.

I was very critical of a couple of Dublin players (John Small and James McCarthy) both were coming off after hammering Monaghan last year- could of wee dubs made beeline over to give them a high five as they were walking up the steps to where the subs are. Both lads snubbed them.

Be great next week whenever your lad tells all his friends he got to kick about with Tyrone and 25 youngsters up in Garvaghy looking the same lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 29, 2018, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 28, 2018, 10:35:51 PM
Had the kids up in Garvaghey at the play park and the senior team were training. Both Bradley and Brennan trained separately with Michael Harte. Looks like there's no chance we'll see them this weekend.

On a separate note, my eldest lad (7) sat watching in pure star struck fashion. During the kick about before training started a ball came over to him and he passed it back to Ritchy Donnelly, Ritchy called him over a took him over to the kids nets and kicked points with him for a good 5 mins amongst all the Senior players. Fair play to him, my wee lad walked off 10 feet tall!

Don't lie lad, it wasn't your wee fella at all it was you  :-*
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 29, 2018, 01:29:12 PM
1. N Morgan
2. P Hampsey
3. R McNamee
4. C McCarron
5. M McKernan
6. F Burns
7. P Harte
8. C Cavanagh
9. D McClure
10. M Donnelly
11. N Sludden
12. C Meyler
13. C McShane
14. R Donnelly
15. C McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 29, 2018, 01:54:47 PM
That's class OG. Fair play Richie.
As adults we probably underestimate how much that means to kids.

On another note I was trying to see could I get any more info on Conor McKenna and found this. Did he play for Ireland last year in the International rules?
When does their season finish? Can he come play for us when they're finished up? Presume it's their winter now.
He's be some addition to our team. I read hat he did a solo in one game over there and it got a big reaction.
http://www.the42.ie/conor-mckenna-solo-kick-to-kick-afl-essendon-3873134-Feb2018/

http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/conor-mckenna-dreams-playing-for-tyrone-again/

Did he have brothers who played for Tyrone? What happened them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 29, 2018, 02:43:46 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 29, 2018, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 28, 2018, 10:35:51 PM
Had the kids up in Garvaghey at the play park and the senior team were training. Both Bradley and Brennan trained separately with Michael Harte. Looks like there's no chance we'll see them this weekend.

On a separate note, my eldest lad (7) sat watching in pure star struck fashion. During the kick about before training started a ball came over to him and he passed it back to Ritchy Donnelly, Ritchy called him over a took him over to the kids nets and kicked points with him for a good 5 mins amongst all the Senior players. Fair play to him, my wee lad walked off 10 feet tall!

Don't lie lad, it wasn't your wee fella at all it was you  :-*

f**k sake, cover blown already!

Fair play to him. He went out of his way to get him over, moved the nets and kicked about for a good five minutes. Tweeted him to say cheers and he got back with a cool message.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on June 29, 2018, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 29, 2018, 01:54:47 PM
That's class OG. Fair play Richie.
As adults we probably underestimate how much that means to kids.

On another note I was trying to see could I get any more info on Conor McKenna and found this. Did he play for Ireland last year in the International rules?
When does their season finish? Can he come play for us when they're finished up? Presume it's their winter now.
He's be some addition to our team. I read hat he did a solo in one game over there and it got a big reaction.
http://www.the42.ie/conor-mckenna-solo-kick-to-kick-afl-essendon-3873134-Feb2018/

http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/conor-mckenna-dreams-playing-for-tyrone-again/

Did he have brothers who played for Tyrone? What happened them?

I would watch a fair bit of the AFL Fuzzman and McKenna is playing really well over there. He is a serious athlete and is highly regarded especially in terms of his willingness to take men on and try and break the lines running with the ball. His speed and directness would be a real benefit to Tyrone. Unfortunately their season is entering the business end now. League runs from Apr-Aug and the top 8 from the league qualify for the final series in September with the Grand Final in Late September. Essendon, McKenna's club, would be an outside bet of making the 8.

He was named in the Ireland squad last year but withdrew with injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-10/essendon-conor-mckenna-suspended-for-biting-tory-dickson/9638358

Dont forget about this....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 29, 2018, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-10/essendon-conor-mckenna-suspended-for-biting-tory-dickson/9638358

Dont forget about this....

Im sure you've never made any mistakes....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: chieftain on June 29, 2018, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-10/essendon-conor-mckenna-suspended-for-biting-tory-dickson/9638358

Dont forget about this....

Im sure you've never made any mistakes....

Oh I have.... just never bit someone...... :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 29, 2018, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: chieftain on June 29, 2018, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-10/essendon-conor-mckenna-suspended-for-biting-tory-dickson/9638358

Dont forget about this....

Im sure you've never made any mistakes....

Oh I have.... just never bit someone...... :o

Well bite the dust away back to the down page there oul fella, as far as i can see yous have enough problems up there without worrying about conor mckenna.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: chieftain on June 29, 2018, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: chieftain on June 29, 2018, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-10/essendon-conor-mckenna-suspended-for-biting-tory-dickson/9638358

Dont forget about this....

Im sure you've never made any mistakes....

Oh I have.... just never bit someone...... :o

Well bite the dust away back to the down page there oul fella, as far as i can see yous have enough problems up there without worrying about conor mckenna.

As McKenna would say... Bite me!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 29, 2018, 03:50:52 PM
Enda McGinley referring to GAA population as "the mob"  following Newbridge controversy. He must be establishment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 29, 2018, 04:04:33 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on June 29, 2018, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 29, 2018, 03:50:52 PM
Enda McGinley referring to GAA population as "the mob"  following Newbridge controversy. He must be establishment.
And you were talking about "genuine gaels" in the same context - how's it any different?

Is hardly mob rule. Was vast majority of the GAA
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 29, 2018, 05:20:31 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on June 29, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 29, 2018, 04:04:33 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on June 29, 2018, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 29, 2018, 03:50:52 PM
Enda McGinley referring to GAA population as "the mob"  following Newbridge controversy. He must be establishment.
And you were talking about "genuine gaels" in the same context - how's it any different?

Is hardly mob rule. Was vast majority of the GAA

So the loudest voices on social media is representative of the vast majority of the GAA now? Good to know.

Support for Kildare was unanimous across the GAA (apart from the suit$ in Croke Park) and if you think otherwise you're in denial.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on June 29, 2018, 05:33:18 PM
I didn't speak to a single person in RL that didn't agree with Kildare and I work in Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on June 30, 2018, 11:05:09 AM
Is the match being shown on tv today?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 30, 2018, 11:57:36 AM
SKY
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on June 30, 2018, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 30, 2018, 11:57:36 AM
SKY

Thanks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on June 30, 2018, 05:38:04 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on June 30, 2018, 03:38:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 30, 2018, 11:57:36 AM
SKY

Thanks

I haven't done you a favour. Of all the sport on TV this weekend Gaelic football will be the hardest watch. Chess
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 01, 2018, 08:31:34 AM
So we are now one game from the Super 8. If we get there, according to GAA.ie, our fixtures will be one of these 4
If we beat Cork, 1st game is Croke Park against the other qualifier in the group, then home to Dublin and away to Donegal.
If we beat Roscommon, Croker against the other qualifier first, then home to Donegal and away to Dublin.
If we beat Fermanagh, first the other qualifier in the group in Croker, next home to Galway them away to Kerry.
If we beat Laois, first in Croker against the other qualifier, next at home to Kerry and then away to Galway.

So looks like first game would definitely be in Croker against the other qualifier, second at home to a provincial winner and last game away to the other provincial winner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 01, 2018, 08:46:32 AM
We need to improve an awful lot but if we have any realistic ambitions of making a semi final you'd be looking to get Roscommon or Fermanagh tomorrow. No matter what if you got to the super 8s that first game against another qualifier would be critical. A win there (and draw the teams above) and you'd be facing Galway or Donegal at Home who'd hopefully be coming of the back of a loss in basically a winner takes all game.

On current form there's no guarantee we'll even make it past next week but if we do I think that's the best chance we'd have. I assume we'd use omagh for the super 8s but if you'd the option I'd be more than happy to go elsewhere.

I said last week Morgan gets a hard time on here and yesterday shows it again. If he'd made mistakes like O'Neill did yesterday the usual suspects would be on with over the top criticism and telling us Mickey O'Neill doesn't make mistakes. Morgan is better under the high ball and much quicker getting the kick outs away. Don't want to be harsh on O'Neill either as he is still getting used to games at that level but it is worth pointing out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 01, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
I thought it strange to see Micky start. Don't think Morgan was injured as he took part in full training on Thursday evening. Unless he picked up a knock between then and Ssturday. Unlikely though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on July 01, 2018, 08:02:59 PM
Am I right that Fermanagh can't play Monaghan/ Armagh so they need to pull Kildare or its Fermanagh Tyrone. Anyway great to see 5 out of the last 12 from ulster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 01, 2018, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 01, 2018, 08:02:59 PM
Am I right that Fermanagh can't play Monaghan/ Armagh so they need to pull Kildare or its Fermanagh Tyrone. Anyway great to see 5 out of the last 12 from ulster.

There was some talk that with thr permutations Tyrone were more likely to draw Fermanagh than anyone else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 01, 2018, 11:14:47 PM
McClure was poor on sat, I'd have Mcnulty back in. Kieran mcgeary in as well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 02, 2018, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 01, 2018, 08:31:34 AM
So we are now one game from the Super 8. If we get there, according to GAA.ie, our fixtures will be one of these 4
If we beat Cork, 1st game is Croke Park against the other qualifier in the group, then home to Dublin and away to Donegal.
If we beat Roscommon, Croker against the other qualifier first, then home to Donegal and away to Dublin.
If we beat Fermanagh, first the other qualifier in the group in Croker, next home to Galway them away to Kerry.
If we beat Laois, first in Croker against the other qualifier, next at home to Kerry and then away to Galway.

So looks like first game would definitely be in Croker against the other qualifier, second at home to a provincial winner and last game away to the other provincial winner.
So if we beat Cork is it then v Armagh/ Roscommon in Croke Park, v Dublin in Omagh then v Donegal in Ballybofey?
Could have been a lot worse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on July 02, 2018, 11:03:54 AM
Believe it or not... Still a decent chance of making an AI semi final, and that's a game that could go anyway on the day. Play cork which is achievable. then play rossie/Armagh which is also achievable. Then 3rd game Donegal is also achievable (although in ballybofey it could be a struggle) when was the last time tyrone beat Donegal in ballybofey? but its doable all the same. Then Kerry/galway most likely in an All Ireland semi final. Extremely tough but on championship day could go anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 02, 2018, 11:17:27 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on July 02, 2018, 11:03:54 AM
Believe it or not... Still a decent chance of making an AI semi final, and that's a game that could go anyway on the day. Play cork which is achievable. then play rossie/Armagh which is also achievable. Then 3rd game Donegal is also achievable (although in ballybofey it could be a struggle) when was the last time tyrone beat Donegal in ballybofey? but its doable all the same. Then Kerry/galway most likely in an All Ireland semi final. Extremely tough but on championship day could go anyway.

I don't think Donegal have been beat in Ballybofey in years if memory serves me right.  Very tough away draw. But at least it local.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redcard on July 02, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on July 02, 2018, 11:03:54 AM
Believe it or not... Still a decent chance of making an AI semi final, and that's a game that could go anyway on the day. Play cork which is achievable. then play rossie/Armagh which is also achievable. Then 3rd game Donegal is also achievable (although in ballybofey it could be a struggle) when was the last time tyrone beat Donegal in ballybofey? but its doable all the same. Then Kerry/galway most likely in an All Ireland semi final. Extremely tough but on championship day could go anyway.

And they play England in the final because they are already there too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 02, 2018, 11:40:26 AM
We're ordinary enough. This Cork game should give us an idea of where exactly we are. If we tank them, then a good run at the AI series is a possibility. If we scrape by, well then it could be 3 defeats unfortunately. Cork aren't good as Kerry showed. But are we any better?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 02, 2018, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2018, 11:40:26 AM
We're ordinary enough. This Cork game should give us an idea of where exactly we are. If we tank them, then a good run at the AI series is a possibility. If we scrape by, well then it could be 3 defeats unfortunately. Cork aren't good as Kerry showed. But are we any better?
Cork have had a break, Tyrone looked out of petrol in the Enniskillen heat.
Always dreaded the Cork league games also, they have such a good record against Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 02, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
no matter what happens this weekend this current tyrone team won't beat Donegal in ballybofey, not a f**king mission
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 02, 2018, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
no matter what happens this weekend this current tyrone team won't beat Donegal in ballybofey, not a f**king mission

Won't need to. Gonna beat the Dubs in omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 02, 2018, 12:06:50 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
no matter what happens this weekend this current tyrone team won't beat Donegal in ballybofey, not a f**king mission

Would have to agree but the injury to McBrearty should increase our chances a good bit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 02, 2018, 12:45:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 02, 2018, 11:40:26 AM
We're ordinary enough. This Cork game should give us an idea of where exactly we are. If we tank them, then a good run at the AI series is a possibility. If we scrape by, well then it could be 3 defeats unfortunately. Cork aren't good as Kerry showed. But are we any better?

Watched the Cork v Kerry game, Cork were absolutely useless bar the first 10 minutes. That's not to say Tyrone are on Kerry's level, certainly not that day - but I'd suspect they'll again, have just about enough to get through them. Think you are correct on the Super 8s should they get that far. Wouldn't be expecting much if they do get through.

Too much of an ask for any team to go past the Super 8's not winning their province, in that respect its surely going to increase the prestige once more.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 02, 2018, 12:57:17 PM
Cork were equally useless last year v Kerry as well and nearly had Mayo gone in the subsequent qualifier match. Think Tyrone will get through but wouldn't be overly confident about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 02, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
Cork are 3/1, find that extremely generous. Tyrone as pointed out prior, looked like a team out on their feet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 02, 2018, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2018, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
no matter what happens this weekend this current tyrone team won't beat Donegal in ballybofey, not a f**king mission

Won't need to. Gonna beat the Dubs in omagh.
I would say they are out watering the pitch and sowing fertiliser already. If we can get a good crop and bring the side-lines in 20m each side we can reduce the Dublin advantage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 02, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 02, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
Cork are 3/1, find that extremely generous. Tyrone as pointed out prior, looked like a team out on their feet.

It was a hot day. Wouldn't read into it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 02, 2018, 01:54:35 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 02, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
Cork are 3/1, find that extremely generous. Tyrone as pointed out prior, looked like a team out on their feet.

It was a hot day. Wouldn't read into it.

I didn't get the impression Tyrone were out on their feet at all. I thought we cruised away from Cavan towards the end after their good spell at the start of the second half and looked like we had another gear if required. Although it has been noticeable in the last two games that we have been slow to use our bench which is strange considering we are playing games week on week as well as the heat that these matches have been played in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 02, 2018, 03:12:43 PM
I was surprised about the bench use, too. Surely we shouldve emptied it with 15 to go?

Think our fortunes will depend hugely on the return of Bradley and Brennan. The game on Saturday indicated our extreme lack of cover in there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 03, 2018, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: redcard on July 02, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on July 02, 2018, 11:03:54 AM
Believe it or not... Still a decent chance of making an AI semi final, and that's a game that could go anyway on the day. Play cork which is achievable. then play rossie/Armagh which is also achievable. Then 3rd game Donegal is also achievable (although in ballybofey it could be a struggle) when was the last time tyrone beat Donegal in ballybofey? but its doable all the same. Then Kerry/galway most likely in an All Ireland semi final. Extremely tough but on championship day could go anyway.

And they play England in the final because they are already there too

Class lol ..............

And beat the Dubs in Omagh?? Just got back up on my chair there. This Tyrone team are average at best right now. MD & PH are no leaders/captains. They go missing for too long and NS is by far the best player Tyrone has. Stop him, Stop Tyrone (which isnt too hard cause the rest are playing poorly)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 03, 2018, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 02, 2018, 01:54:35 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 02, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
Cork are 3/1, find that extremely generous. Tyrone as pointed out prior, looked like a team out on their feet.

It was a hot day. Wouldn't read into it.

I didn't get the impression Tyrone were out on their feet at all. I thought we cruised away from Cavan towards the end after their good spell at the start of the second half and looked like we had another gear if required. Although it has been noticeable in the last two games that we have been slow to use our bench which is strange considering we are playing games week on week as well as the heat that these matches have been played in.

Are you not worried about facing a team (while coming off the back of a bad loss) has had a few weeks to freshen up, get the heads right and go again? It's only a matter of time I think until Tyrone completely buckle - I agree they looked as if they had another level v Cavan, but why remain so cautious even with the superior players, would it not have been in Tyrone's interest to explode out of the blocks and manage the game from there? (Best case scenario)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 03, 2018, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 03, 2018, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 02, 2018, 01:54:35 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 02, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
Cork are 3/1, find that extremely generous. Tyrone as pointed out prior, looked like a team out on their feet.

It was a hot day. Wouldn't read into it.

I didn't get the impression Tyrone were out on their feet at all. I thought we cruised away from Cavan towards the end after their good spell at the start of the second half and looked like we had another gear if required. Although it has been noticeable in the last two games that we have been slow to use our bench which is strange considering we are playing games week on week as well as the heat that these matches have been played in.

Are you not worried about facing a team (while coming off the back of a bad loss) has had a few weeks to freshen up, get the heads right and go again? It's only a matter of time I think until Tyrone completely buckle - I agree they looked as if they had another level v Cavan, but why remain so cautious even with the superior players, would it not have been in Tyrone's interest to explode out of the blocks and manage the game from there? (Best case scenario)

Yes I would be worried about our lack of freshness over the coming weeks which is why I questioned our lack of early substitutions in the last couple of games. Although I don't think we looked particularly tired v Cavan I this could become an issue in the Super 8s if we get there.

I think the depth of our panel suddenly seems poor compared to previous years. What has happened to Rory Brennan? A couple of years ago he looked nailed on to be a mainstay for years to come but he rarely gets on for longer than 5 minutes these days. I also think DD Mulgrew is a big loss this year from a strength in depth point of view.

I also agree with your point that it obviously would have been in our interests to blow Cavan away although I do think we were in a position to do that only for us passing up a few good goalscoring opportunities and then we gave away a terrible goal of our own which should see Morgan reinstated as the first choice keeper for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on July 03, 2018, 10:28:10 AM
Quote from: Club boi on July 03, 2018, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: redcard on July 02, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on July 02, 2018, 11:03:54 AM
Believe it or not... Still a decent chance of making an AI semi final, and that's a game that could go anyway on the day. Play cork which is achievable. then play rossie/Armagh which is also achievable. Then 3rd game Donegal is also achievable (although in ballybofey it could be a struggle) when was the last time tyrone beat Donegal in ballybofey? but its doable all the same. Then Kerry/galway most likely in an All Ireland semi final. Extremely tough but on championship day could go anyway.

And they play England in the final because they are already there too

Class lol ..............

And beat the Dubs in Omagh?? Just got back up on my chair there. This Tyrone team are average at best right now. MD & PH are no leaders/captains. They go missing for too long and NS is by far the best player Tyrone has. Stop him, Stop Tyrone (which isnt too hard cause the rest are playing poorly)

Did I say beat the dubs in omagh? I skipped their game. Only need 2 wins in super 8 most likely as we can assume Dublin will win all 3. Maybe they are average at best. But average at best still provides a very achievable opportunity of beating Donegal and ross/Armagh and cork. Clown.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 03, 2018, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2018, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
no matter what happens this weekend this current tyrone team won't beat Donegal in ballybofey, not a f**king mission

Won't need to. Gonna beat the Dubs in omagh.

Nobody quoted you "clown"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on July 05, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
any changes to tyrone team this week?
Surely we have seen the last of Mickey O'Neill?
Ronan O'Neill any closer to a starting berth after last weeks introduction?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on July 05, 2018, 02:24:15 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on July 05, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
any changes to tyrone team this week?
Surely we have seen the last of Mickey O'Neill?
Ronan O'Neill any closer to a starting berth after last weeks introduction?

Yeah he's bound to be closer, weather he'll start or not is antoerh think but only Harte knows that,at the end of the day he came on and performed well and produced the goods when Skeet didnt and was taken off!!

Harte has a decision do you play the form man or play the guy that played poorly! 2 games in a row now O'Neil has showed some class!

Competition for places hotting up with imminent returns for Bradley and Brennan! At this stage you could say Richy has justified his place at 14
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 05, 2018, 04:33:03 PM
I think you play skeet and o'neill.

Unfortunately Richie or mcshane need to go. I am a mcshane fan but he goes from the sublime to the ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on July 05, 2018, 04:37:57 PM
McShane always plays around the middle anyway? so McClure could pull the short straw then? keep Richie and McShane?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 05, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on July 05, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
any changes to tyrone team this week?
Surely we have seen the last of Mickey O'Neill?
Ronan O'Neill any closer to a starting berth after last weeks introduction?

I was watching the game last week in a bar and while alot of folk were giving out at O'Neill for the goal, the local goalkeeper defended him, saying Burns gave him no support, and should have blocked off the goalscorer from even running in

I aint saying O'Neill is innocent, most keepers in that situation should take ball, man and everything else in his road, but listening to a keepers view, it made sense, and you could see O'Neill let Burns know about it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 05, 2018, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: Club boi on July 05, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on July 05, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
any changes to tyrone team this week?
Surely we have seen the last of Mickey O'Neill?
Ronan O'Neill any closer to a starting berth after last weeks introduction?

I was watching the game last week in a bar and while alot of folk were giving out at O'Neill for the goal, the local goalkeeper defended him, saying Burns gave him no support, and should have blocked off the goalscorer from even running in

I aint saying O'Neill is innocent, most keepers in that situation should take ball, man and everything else in his road, but listening to a keepers view, it made sense, and you could see O'Neill let Burns know about it

I don't think a goalkeeper should ever be left to come off his line and jump one v one on an oncoming attacker as any touch form the forward drops the ball into an empty net. So yes, in my view the attacker should never have been able to get into that area unmarked and really, O'Neill was left hung out to dry. Having said that, in reality, these situations do arise and you'd expect your keeper to do better when they do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 06, 2018, 09:22:51 AM
Enda McGinley fairly scathing of the defensive tactics in the paper today. He'll be off Mickeys Christmas card list if he's not careful.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 06, 2018, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 06, 2018, 09:22:51 AM
Enda McGinley fairly scathing of the defensive tactics in the paper today. He'll be off Mickeys Christmas card list if he's not careful.
excellent article again from Mc Ginley. His views always worth listening to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 06, 2018, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 06, 2018, 09:22:51 AM
Enda McGinley fairly scathing of the defensive tactics in the paper today. He'll be off Mickeys Christmas card list if he's not careful.

Irish news?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 06, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 06, 2018, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 06, 2018, 09:22:51 AM
Enda McGinley fairly scathing of the defensive tactics in the paper today. He'll be off Mickeys Christmas card list if he's not careful.

Irish news?

Yeah
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 06, 2018, 12:02:24 PM
Got there a few years ago Enda.........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 06, 2018, 12:43:29 PM
Enda nails it but strange it took him so long. Harte and Canavan and others hammered commentators for saying the same over the last few years. The game is "evolving" they said and youse don't understand modern football. It's complete and utter dirge so much so that soccer is now more entertaining and that is saying something. Any wonder attendances at Ulster championship have fallen so drastically.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on July 06, 2018, 01:57:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2018, 12:43:29 PM
Enda nails it but strange it took him so long. Harte and Canavan and others hammered commentators for saying the same over the last few years. The game is "evolving" they said and youse don't understand modern football. It's complete and utter dirge so much so that soccer is now more entertaining and that is saying something. Any wonder attendances at Ulster championship have fallen so drastically.

Great article. He's correct. The rules must be changed to stop people like Harte and Gallagher destroying the game forever.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RetiredRessie on July 06, 2018, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 05, 2018, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: Club boi on July 05, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on July 05, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
any changes to tyrone team this week?
Surely we have seen the last of Mickey O'Neill?
Ronan O'Neill any closer to a starting berth after last weeks introduction?

I was watching the game last week in a bar and while alot of folk were giving out at O'Neill for the goal, the local goalkeeper defended him, saying Burns gave him no support, and should have blocked off the goalscorer from even running in

I aint saying O'Neill is innocent, most keepers in that situation should take ball, man and everything else in his road, but listening to a keepers view, it made sense, and you could see O'Neill let Burns know about it

I don't think a goalkeeper should ever be left to come off his line and jump one v one on an oncoming attacker as any touch form the forward drops the ball into an empty net. So yes, in my view the attacker should never have been able to get into that area unmarked and really, O'Neill was left hung out to dry. Having said that, in reality, these situations do arise and you'd expect your keeper to do better when they do.
Quote from: Club boi on July 05, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on July 05, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
any changes to tyrone team this week?
Surely we have seen the last of Mickey O'Neill?
Ronan O'Neill any closer to a starting berth after last weeks introduction?

I was watching the game last week in a bar and while alot of folk were giving out at O'Neill for the goal, the local goalkeeper defended him, saying Burns gave him no support, and should have blocked off the goalscorer from even running in

I aint saying O'Neill is innocent, most keepers in that situation should take ball, man and everything else in his road, but listening to a keepers view, it made sense, and you could see O'Neill let Burns know about it

Re the goal, surely Meyler has to take some responsibility, sloppy hand pass to give away possession and left us open at the back. Burns did switch off after the shot was hit and let his man go, but O'Neill has to do better.

Any indication of numbers travelling on Saturday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 06, 2018, 04:00:16 PM
Fair point. Think he had three men breaking with him and he managed to go straight to a Cavan man with the hand pass.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2018, 11:21:13 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.

Still winning all Ireland's at youth level. Any iceberg is a fair bit away yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2018, 11:21:13 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.

Still winning all Ireland's at youth level. Any iceberg is a fair bit away yet.
Who mentioned youth level? Everything below the seniors is in good nick.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 07, 2018, 01:07:19 PM
Big dog, 2 Ulster's in last 3 years. 3 AI semi finals in the last 6 years. When will it dawn on you that whilst we are a damn good side, we simply don't have the calibre of players to go further. Accept that, and enjoy life. The petty agenda against management must consume you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 07, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
What if someone suggested that the players were there ,  but the best wasn't being brought out of them ? !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 07, 2018, 01:23:57 PM
To get to Super 8's today would be a fine achievement. 4 games away from home in this heat, injured corner forwards, little rest.

Unfortunate with the draw for this round though, no big surprise if Cork win.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??

It's right ahead. Tyrone played well but worst Cork team in living memory
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??

It's right ahead. Tyrone played well but worst Cork team in living memory

Maybe but it didn't stop people calling Kerry the next big thing after a similar hammering.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??

It's right ahead. Tyrone played well but worst Cork team in living memory

Maybe but it didn't stop people calling Kerry the next big thing after a similar hammering.
they've been calling Kerry the next big thing for last few years with their minors winning 4-in-a-row All Irelands not for hammering that Cork team. Next few weeks will tell. Shocking to see Cork so poor whether against Tyrone or Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 07, 2018, 06:59:12 PM
Must kill you to say anything good about Tyrone longball. Why do you hate us so much
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 07, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 07, 2018, 06:59:12 PM
Must kill you to say anything good about Tyrone longball. Why do you hate us so much

if you read back four posts you'll see I wrote that Tyrone played well... but doesn't suit youre agenda to acknowledge that  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??

It's right ahead. Tyrone played well but worst Cork team in living memory

Maybe but it didn't stop people calling Kerry the next big thing after a similar hammering.
they've been calling Kerry the next big thing for last few years with their minors winning 4-in-a-row All Irelands not for hammering that Cork team. Next few weeks will tell. Shocking to see Cork so poor whether against Tyrone or Kerry.

Exactly and Tyrone did what the free flowing Kerry forward line did to them even though they have 4 years worth of All Ireland minor talent at their disposal. (Note: Cork were chronic though)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 07, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??

It's right ahead. Tyrone played well but worst Cork team in living memory

Maybe but it didn't stop people calling Kerry the next big thing after a similar hammering.
they've been calling Kerry the next big thing for last few years with their minors winning 4-in-a-row All Irelands not for hammering that Cork team. Next few weeks will tell. Shocking to see Cork so poor whether against Tyrone or Kerry.

Exactly and Tyrone did what the free flowing Kerry forward line did to them even though they have 4 years worth of All Ireland minor talent at their disposal. (Note: Cork were chronic though)

Bit of a stalemate this: results said more about Cork that Tyrone or Kerry. Most teams would hammer them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??

It's right ahead. Tyrone played well but worst Cork team in living memory

Maybe but it didn't stop people calling Kerry the next big thing after a similar hammering.
they've been calling Kerry the next big thing for last few years with their minors winning 4-in-a-row All Irelands not for hammering that Cork team. Next few weeks will tell. Shocking to see Cork so poor whether against Tyrone or Kerry.

Exactly and Tyrone did what the free flowing Kerry forward line did to them even though they have 4 years worth of All Ireland minor talent at their disposal. (Note: Cork were chronic though)

Bit of a stalemate this: results said more about Cork that Tyrone or Kerry. Most teams would hammer them.

I agree. My comparisons to Kerry were a little tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 07, 2018, 08:09:04 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 07, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??

It's right ahead. Tyrone played well but worst Cork team in living memory

Maybe but it didn't stop people calling Kerry the next big thing after a similar hammering.
they've been calling Kerry the next big thing for last few years with their minors winning 4-in-a-row All Irelands not for hammering that Cork team. Next few weeks will tell. Shocking to see Cork so poor whether against Tyrone or Kerry.

Exactly and Tyrone did what the free flowing Kerry forward line did to them even though they have 4 years worth of All Ireland minor talent at their disposal. (Note: Cork were chronic though)

Bit of a stalemate this: results said more about Cork that Tyrone or Kerry. Most teams would hammer them.

I agree. My comparisons to Kerry were a little tongue in cheek.

Fair enough  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on July 08, 2018, 10:42:18 AM
IL never be happy with the 'Harte situation' in Tyrone but cut me open and red an white blood will flow. Bring on the Super 8s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 08, 2018, 12:49:18 PM
yup now we will see if tyrone have progressed or regressed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 08, 2018, 03:40:17 PM
14th time in 18years that Tyrone have made the 1/4 finals
Only Dublin 17 and Kerry 18 have better records. Source Declan bogue
Thats some going. Like him or hate him you have to admit he's one of the best ever
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 08, 2018, 03:54:58 PM
In top 6 of all time managers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 08, 2018, 04:46:37 PM
Quiet enough on here in terms of analysis and bits of insight from yesterday
Watched the game back again (it's on YouTube)
What's everyone's thoughts on Hampsey in midfield, wouldnt have anticipated that last week?
Think Richie Donnelly growing into his role at 14. Morgan fully justified his return to the starting 15. There have been a few positional and tactical tweeks through the qualifiers, and we are on an upward incline in terms of performance. Can't help but think Lee Brennan injured at the worst possible time.
We must improve to go further but I genuinely think we are better placed than this time 12months ago, with considerably less hype and expectations.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 08, 2018, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2018, 04:46:37 PM
Quiet enough on here in terms of analysis and bits of insight from yesterday
Watched the game back again (it's on YouTube)
What's everyone's thoughts on Hampsey in midfield, wouldnt have anticipated that last week?
Think Richie Donnelly growing into his role at 14. Morgan fully justified his return to the starting 15. There have been a few positional and tactical tweeks through the qualifiers, and we are on an upward incline in terms of performance. Can't help but think Lee Brennan injured at the worst possible time.
We must improve to go further but I genuinely think we are better placed than this time 12months ago, with considerably less hype and expectations.

For the first time yesterday he started to show convincingly in front of his man for the ball and I liked the way he was turning and getting a shot away quickly. Yes, he missed a few but he's definitely worth persevering with in there as a focal point for the attack.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2018, 04:46:37 PM
Quiet enough on here in terms of analysis and bits of insight from yesterday
Watched the game back again (it's on YouTube)
What's everyone's thoughts on Hampsey in midfield, wouldnt have anticipated that last week?
Think Richie Donnelly growing into his role at 14. Morgan fully justified his return to the starting 15. There have been a few positional and tactical tweeks through the qualifiers, and we are on an upward incline in terms of performance. Can't help but think Lee Brennan injured at the worst possible time.
We must improve to go further but I genuinely think we are better placed than this time 12months ago, with considerably less hype and expectations.


Hampsey did fine there but I think he's better served back in the full back line with the likes of McClure or McNulty starting. Richie Donnelly did well again, sometimes I feel he lacks the place required to win the ball out in front but he's a nice ball player and played a few intelligent passes and will always put a good shift in.


McShane as usual mixed the good with the ridiculous, he will give you a very good shift and never hides but his decision making is erratic so say the least. The management team really need to take him one side and work on this if they're not already.

I'd like to see just the one change next week, I'd start McClure in midfield and leave out young McKernan. I think McKernan has been excellent in his first season but I'd like to see him coming into the game later on and injecting some energy. Roscommon and very weak around the middle of the pitch and McClure is a good fielder.

It's difficult to critically appraise yesterday's performance, we looked well on the face of it but how much of that was to do with Cork. We pressed the kickouts very well and should be doing the same against Roscommon with their keeper a real weak link.

Bradley looked sharp and it gives us an extra kick off the bench along with Ronan O'Neill looking sharper and more confident in recent weeks.

Petey Harte far more involved as well after a quiet season to date. If we replicate our 2nd half performance tomorrow we should win very comfortably.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 08, 2018, 05:34:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 07, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 07, 2018, 12:39:00 AM
One of my favourite Tyrone players of the noughties Enda McGinley. Thankfully after so much faith in what Harte has been doing in Tyrone the penny has finally dropped with him also. Think I'd rather tune into the world cup tomorrow. As for Tyrone the iceberg is straight ahead but the question is when will it hit.


3-20 isn't bad for for a defensive team. Has anyone seen that iceberg??

It wouldn't last long in thon heat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 08, 2018, 06:03:34 PM
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2018, 04:46:37 PM
Quiet enough on here in terms of analysis and bits of insight from yesterday
Watched the game back again (it's on YouTube)
What's everyone's thoughts on Hampsey in midfield, wouldnt have anticipated that last week?
Think Richie Donnelly growing into his role at 14. Morgan fully justified his return to the starting 15. There have been a few positional and tactical tweeks through the qualifiers, and we are on an upward incline in terms of performance. Can't help but think Lee Brennan injured at the worst possible time.
We must improve to go further but I genuinely think we are better placed than this time 12months ago, with considerably less hype and expectations.


Hampsey did fine there but I think he's better served back in the full back line with the likes of McClure or McNulty starting. Richie Donnelly did well again, sometimes I feel he lacks the place required to win the ball out in front but he's a nice ball player and played a few intelligent passes and will always put a good shift in.


McShane as usual mixed the good with the ridiculous, he will give you a very good shift and never hides but his decision making is erratic so say the least. The management team really need to take him one side and work on this if they're not already.

I'd like to see just the one change next week, I'd start McClure in midfield and leave out young McKernan. I think McKernan has been excellent in his first season but I'd like to see him coming into the game later on and injecting some energy. Roscommon and very weak around the middle of the pitch and McClure is a good fielder.

It's difficult to critically appraise yesterday's performance, we looked well on the face of it but how much of that was to do with Cork. We pressed the kickouts very well and should be doing the same against Roscommon with their keeper a real weak link.

Bradley looked sharp and it gives us an extra kick off the bench along with Ronan O'Neill looking sharper and more confident in recent weeks.

Petey Harte far more involved as well after a quiet season to date. If we replicate our 2nd half performance tomorrow we should win very comfortably.

Hampsey isn't the answer in midfield I don't think but how you call for McClure to start after his performances this year I don't get. He's completely out of form. In fairness u got the call right about frank going to centre back. I thought mckerrnan more than justified his starting berth. It's probably to late in the year to try mcnamme at midfield but he's being brilliant for agyharn there. Ronan oneill showing his worth as well but he has to accept a subs role
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 06:15:15 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 08, 2018, 06:03:34 PM
Quote from: Baggio90 on July 08, 2018, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 08, 2018, 04:46:37 PM
Quiet enough on here in terms of analysis and bits of insight from yesterday
Watched the game back again (it's on YouTube)
What's everyone's thoughts on Hampsey in midfield, wouldnt have anticipated that last week?
Think Richie Donnelly growing into his role at 14. Morgan fully justified his return to the starting 15. There have been a few positional and tactical tweeks through the qualifiers, and we are on an upward incline in terms of performance. Can't help but think Lee Brennan injured at the worst possible time.
We must improve to go further but I genuinely think we are better placed than this time 12months ago, with considerably less hype and expectations.


Hampsey did fine there but I think he's better served back in the full back line with the likes of McClure or McNulty starting. Richie Donnelly did well again, sometimes I feel he lacks the place required to win the ball out in front but he's a nice ball player and played a few intelligent passes and will always put a good shift in.


McShane as usual mixed the good with the ridiculous, he will give you a very good shift and never hides but his decision making is erratic so say the least. The management team really need to take him one side and work on this if they're not already.

I'd like to see just the one change next week, I'd start McClure in midfield and leave out young McKernan. I think McKernan has been excellent in his first season but I'd like to see him coming into the game later on and injecting some energy. Roscommon and very weak around the middle of the pitch and McClure is a good fielder.

It's difficult to critically appraise yesterday's performance, we looked well on the face of it but how much of that was to do with Cork. We pressed the kickouts very well and should be doing the same against Roscommon with their keeper a real weak link.

Bradley looked sharp and it gives us an extra kick off the bench along with Ronan O'Neill looking sharper and more confident in recent weeks.

Petey Harte far more involved as well after a quiet season to date. If we replicate our 2nd half performance tomorrow we should win very comfortably.

Hampsey isn't the answer in midfield I don't think but how you call for McClure to start after his performances this year I don't get. He's completely out of form. In fairness u got the call right about frank going to centre back. I thought mckerrnan more than justified his starting berth. It's probably to late in the year to try mcnamme at midfield but he's being brilliant for agyharn there. Ronan oneill showing his worth as well but he has to accept a subs role

McClure is a natural midfielder though and I think we'll have some dangerous forwards to mark in the Super 8s so can't afford to have Hampsey there.

If you look at the other options for midfield, who would you go for? We're not exactly crawling with in form midfielders to partner Colm Cavanagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 09, 2018, 11:18:20 AM
Tyrone have got to where most realistic people thought they would. Cork offered little issues, they have badly fallen by the wayside in footballing terms unfortunately - however Tyrone will have expended little energy getting past them which will be a massive positive.

Now we'll see just what this team is made of. Has it improved? Has it regressed - further? AI Quarter Finals are the benchmark of serious teams, the Super 8s offer the chance over three games for teams to battle out for Semi's without excuses, anything can happen in a one off, over three games now you'll see just who the best teams are. Not enough points, you don't deserve to be in the All Ireland Semis.

I don't expect Tyrone to get out of the group to be honest, obviously Dublin will run away with it likely with 3 wins. Leaving the other 3 teams in a race to get 4 points. Can't see Tyrone getting anything out of Ballybofey but could see them beating Roscommon which would leave Donegal presumably as the other qualifier.

Would that be what most people think the group stage has in store? McBrearty is a massive loss to Donegal but with the game being away, I just fear for Tyrone there at a ground they've had big issues with.

All in all, going out of the Super 8s at this stage wouldn't be a surprise - however it will be the performances during the next phase that will really dictate how Tyrone are viewed from here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 09, 2018, 05:07:30 PM
I'm a little more optimistic than yourself GOTB but that's always been my downfall. I think we can beat Donegal in Ballybofey and the Rossies in Croker. If we beat the Rossies then there's a fortnight to recuperate after the Dublin game to look at Donegal. McBrearty is a huge loss to them just at a time when we're starting to see forwards get back to fitness.

I think we've played some good football this year. Finished 4th in the league while Donegal got relegated. I didn't watch the Galway game but I think we were caught by an early goal that day and had a sending of iirc and still only lost narrowly below. Beat Donegal handy, hammered Mayo and a good win over Kerry. I'm struggling to remember an awful lot about the monaghan game now but I think we were well in control but they had a purple patch either side of half time that won them the game. After that we've been on the road and have had the variety of challenges that should stand to us. The Meath game in particular is one that springs to mind. That was a game we could easily have lost but had the fortitude and fight to come back.

Donegal have been getting serious plaudits this year but what have they played? Derry, Cavan, Down and Fermanagh. I know they came from the prelim but that has to be the handiest Ulster in memory. That said they've hammered them all with an average score of 2-19 in each game. Paddy scored 19 points in those games but in fairness Murphy kicked 17 points and McHugh has a few goals and points. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 09, 2018, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 09, 2018, 05:07:30 PM
I'm a little more optimistic than yourself GOTB but that's always been my downfall. I think we can beat Donegal in Ballybofey and the Rossies in Croker. If we beat the Rossies then there's a fortnight to recuperate after the Dublin game to look at Donegal. McBrearty is a huge loss to them just at a time when we're starting to see forwards get back to fitness.

I think we've played some good football this year. Finished 4th in the league while Donegal got relegated. I didn't watch the Galway game but I think we were caught by an early goal that day and had a sending of iirc and still only lost narrowly below. Beat Donegal handy, hammered Mayo and a good win over Kerry. I'm struggling to remember an awful lot about the monaghan game now but I think we were well in control but they had a purple patch either side of half time that won them the game. After that we've been on the road and have had the variety of challenges that should stand to us. The Meath game in particular is one that springs to mind. That was a game we could easily have lost but had the fortitude and fight to come back.

Donegal have been getting serious plaudits this year but what have they played? Derry, Cavan, Down and Fermanagh. I know they came from the prelim but that has to be the handiest Ulster in memory. That said they've hammered them all with an average score of 2-19 in each game. Paddy scored 19 points in those games but in fairness Murphy kicked 17 points and McHugh has a few goals and points.

I agree that people have been getting carried away with Donegal. They have played nobody of note so far. Cavan were terrible in the first round. Down are a shambles at the minute. Derry are a shambles at the minute, will be Division 4 next year and Donegal weren't convincing against them. And in the final after Donegal's early goal Fermanagh's game plan went out the window and the game was over.

Don't get me wrong Donegal have played well so far but I don't think their level of opposition to date has been factored into the analysis of them (much the same as it was for Tyrone pre-Dublin last year) and when you add in the fact they got relegated from Division 1 this year and that McBrearty is out for the season, I would be quietly confident of beating them.

Regardless of all this, I think the Dublin games will have a huge bearing on our Super 8 group this year. Although I expect Dublin to win all three, if they go out and hammer Donegal or Tyrone in the first or second game it could be a big task for management to regroup thereafter. Whereas if someone was able to run them close and make a game of it then it would be a great confidence booster for the games ahead. This being said, it's a great advantage for Tyrone to face them at home.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 09, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
Any chance of us getting something against the Dubs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 09, 2018, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 09, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
Any chance of us getting something against the Dubs?

If we can beat Roscommon and keep our momentum going while at the same time avoiding injuries and suspensions then anything is possible. There would be a great atmosphere in Omagh and you'd like to think we would be the hungrier side. However you wouldn't want to be relying on two points from that game!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 09, 2018, 05:45:16 PM
No and that's the beauty of this super8 is that even if you're in with Dublin you can still progress. Would be something else to get the 2 points from them though and go through as group winners. The confidence you'd get would be amazing going into the semi final against either kerry or Galway you'd imagine.

Gas thing is though even if you beat Dublin in Omagh you'd still have to beat them again in Croker in the final to win the fecking thing lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 09, 2018, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 09, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
Any chance of us getting something against the Dubs?

Hopefully everyone can come together for this one. Even if they aren't a fan of Harte or the style of play, put that to one side for the day, pack Omagh to the rafters and make it an absolute cauldron for the Dubs. It's a new experience for them and if we can rattle them you just never know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on July 09, 2018, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 09, 2018, 05:07:30 PM
I'm a little more optimistic than yourself GOTB but that's always been my downfall. I think we can beat Donegal in Ballybofey and the Rossies in Croker. If we beat the Rossies then there's a fortnight to recuperate after the Dublin game to look at Donegal. McBrearty is a huge loss to them just at a time when we're starting to see forwards get back to fitness.

I think we've played some good football this year. Finished 4th in the league while Donegal got relegated. I didn't watch the Galway game but I think we were caught by an early goal that day and had a sending of iirc and still only lost narrowly below. Beat Donegal handy, hammered Mayo and a good win over Kerry. I'm struggling to remember an awful lot about the monaghan game now but I think we were well in control but they had a purple patch either side of half time that won them the game. After that we've been on the road and have had the variety of challenges that should stand to us. The Meath game in particular is one that springs to mind. That was a game we could easily have lost but had the fortitude and fight to come back.

Donegal have been getting serious plaudits this year but what have they played? Derry, Cavan, Down and Fermanagh. I know they came from the prelim but that has to be the handiest Ulster in memory. That said they've hammered them all with an average score of 2-19 in each game. Paddy scored 19 points in those games but in fairness Murphy kicked 17 points and McHugh has a few goals and points.

Where did you see the fortnight to recuperate?

14/15 phase 1
21/22 phase 2
28/29 phase 3

A week of then and Semifinals set for 11/12 August

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 09, 2018, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on July 09, 2018, 08:15:03 PM
Where did you see the fortnight to recuperate?

14/15 phase 1
21/22 phase 2
28/29 phase 3

A week of then and Semifinals set for 11/12 August

According to the GAA.ie fixtures page it's like this...

Phase 1 - 14/15 July
Phase 2 - 21/22 July
Week off - 28/29 July
Phase 3 - 4/5 Aug

Semi Final - 11/12 Aug

Final - 2nd September

It's the same on the wall chart and my understanding is that there was always going to be a break between week 2 and 3.

Basically imo it makes sense. 2 weeks on, a break then 2 weeks on again for the teams that make semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie53 on July 10, 2018, 09:19:51 AM
What happened Barry lads was it an accident or ill health good baller in his playing days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 10, 2018, 10:14:24 AM
Was just out cutting the lawn, came in complaining of a headache and went to bed.

His poor Mrs lost a previous husband to a similar tradegy i've heard.

Thoughts are with them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 10, 2018, 01:01:15 PM
RIP
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 10, 2018, 02:58:33 PM
Boys is that 100%? Very stupid to post something up if not and very insensitive. don't think this is the place for it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 10, 2018, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 10, 2018, 02:58:33 PM
Boys is that 100%? Very stupid to post something up if not and very insensitive. don't think this is the place for it

Exactly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 10, 2018, 10:32:16 PM
Lads, he is critically unwell and is still in intensive care. Probably want to take down those lasts post. Omagh St Enda's just confirmed this on Facebook.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on July 11, 2018, 12:23:13 AM
Barry is my cousin. Please don't post third hand rumours on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on July 11, 2018, 07:30:19 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 11, 2018, 12:23:13 AM
Barry is my cousin. Please don't post third hand rumours on here.
+1

Best wishes to him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 11, 2018, 10:18:20 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 11, 2018, 12:23:13 AM
Barry is my cousin. Please don't post third hand rumours on here.

Best wishes to him, Zig. Hopefully he pulls through.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on July 14, 2018, 06:33:18 PM
I am a big critic of Mickey Harte but I will say that was f**king awesome performance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 14, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 14, 2018, 06:33:18 PM
I am a big critic of Mickey Harte but I will say that was f**king awesome performance.
yeah, well done to the tyrone PLAYERS.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 14, 2018, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 14, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 14, 2018, 06:33:18 PM
I am a big critic of Mickey Harte but I will say that was f**king awesome performance.
yeah, well done to the tyrone PLAYERS.

So when we're good it's the players but when we're bad it's because of Harte??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 14, 2018, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2018, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 14, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 14, 2018, 06:33:18 PM
I am a big critic of Mickey Harte but I will say that was f**king awesome performance.
yeah, well done to the tyrone PLAYERS.

So when we're good it's the players but when we're bad it's because of Harte??
[/qu
ive never, ever doubted the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on July 14, 2018, 07:47:27 PM
I've nothing but the up most respect for Mickey Harte and the Tyrone panel. I think they will ambush Dublin in Omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 14, 2018, 08:41:06 PM
Please beat Dublin next week to shut that brolly fecker up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 14, 2018, 09:57:39 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 14, 2018, 08:41:06 PM
Please beat Dublin next week to shut that brolly fecker up

What did he say?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 14, 2018, 10:03:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2018, 09:57:39 PM
Quote from: The Trap on July 14, 2018, 08:41:06 PM
Please beat Dublin next week to shut that brolly fecker up

What did he say?

I couldn't make it out. Was too muffled with his tongue up the Dubs arses.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 14, 2018, 10:05:54 PM
The kick on cavangh was dirty action. He could of broke his leg. Very sneaky. Mccarrons injury looked nasty, it's doubtful he will be back the year.
I liked the way we pushed up on their kick outs. We have been creating the chances in all our other games and not taking them so it's no surprise to see us rack up a huge score. Need to take them next sat night as well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 15, 2018, 12:33:51 AM
That's the thing that causal observers of Tyrone miss totally. We regularly create a ton of scoring chances but our shot conversion can be brutal. It's no surprise to see days like yesterday when we absolutely annihilate the opposition when our shooting boots are on. key thing is how will we deal with the best team in the land next week?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 15, 2018, 01:46:53 AM
Hard to know. If we get a fair crack of the whip from the ref and we don't allow Dublin to run into an early lead we have a real chance. That's two big ifs though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on July 15, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
The best thing Tyrone can do next Saturday is not too worry about conceding against Dublin. Donegal yesterday fell into the old trap of defending in the last ten minutes as Dublin kept Ball. Press their kick out an press them in possession. Let Dublin worry about us, they LL hate it. I've always believed Tyrone have the best footballers in the country. Yesterday is a great step in the right direction. Kick passing excellent with Richard Donnelly prominent, if we could get Lee Brennan back in now that would be the icing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 15, 2018, 09:13:08 AM
Ritchie Donnelly is fast becoming one of the real bonuses from this years back door journey. He is getting better in that role in every game. Credit to the management for sticking with him. He must have won every ball played into him yesterday and he is now beginning to add some scores to his play.

I don't mind setting up defensively against Dublin but I agree we must commit men forward when we attack like we did yesterday. They can be got at when teams run at them and also push up on their kick outs. A few long balls in on top of Cluxton wouldn't go  a miss either, he is all over the shop under the high ball, racing out to punch everything. We may never get this opportunity again to get  the All Ireland champions in our own back yard and gain some form of revenge for last years annihilation. I cannot wait.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on July 15, 2018, 10:13:33 AM
if you where to shape the perfect run through he qualifiers after the monaghan game then tyrone are very close to it, consistently getting better and giving the teams ye need to be hammering a hammering. similar to last year before the dubs as well.

but i think after yesterday performance against donegal it is as good a time to rattle them.

away from home, not really tested since the league final, and cluxton showing he is a normal enough keeper when ye put him under pressure, which effects the whole team.

and the matter of the lads own pride, they folded last year and are better than that result so hopefully they bring a serious physicality and work rate and go out swinging and see where it gets them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on July 15, 2018, 01:08:21 PM
Very happy with yesterdays performance, From the Monaghan game i think we have tried to be a wee bit more attacking imo, Tyrone yesterday were ruthless and in the peak condition for Croke Park,match that with Roscommon's complete lack of fitness and physique led to an absolute tanking for them..... in Dublin i think they are a team who look vulnerable to complacency and are primed for a defeat in Omagh next Saturday if we get things correct and get the feet back on the ground(and have learned from last year)..... i cant wait to next Saturday to see what we are made off after last years game.... the championship for us now boils down to the next 2 games, what has happened from Monaghan Game to now will be irrelevant....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 15, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
Going on matches so far Tyrone must be very happy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 15, 2018, 11:34:12 PM
On the face of it you would probably say hampsey isn't having a great time in midfield but in everyone of the clips in the Sunday game he's involved in the turnover out the field. If he can do a job on Fenton that would be a massive game changer
Can't see any changes Barr mccarron. I'd imangine Hugh pat will come in but Brennan could be lined up to man mark scully
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on July 16, 2018, 12:05:01 AM
The important thing is for Niall Morgan not to dither on the kickouts.  Hesitatation doesn't do the team any good. We really have to do a Mayo tactic on Dublin like the All Ireland finals, it's the only way. The difference is Tyrone have the better players than Mayo. Go for it and see how we get on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 16, 2018, 09:41:40 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on July 16, 2018, 12:05:01 AM
The important thing is for Niall Morgan not to dither on the kickouts.  Hesitatation doesn't do the team any good. We really have to do a Mayo tactic on Dublin like the All Ireland finals, it's the only way. The difference is Tyrone have the better players than Mayo. Go for it and see how we get on.

Thats what the supporters want, go for it and see can we match them. Last year was a shambles as we sat back and were the laughing stock of the country
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 16, 2018, 09:46:12 AM
I'd say Colm Cavanagh must be a serious doubt. Would be a massive loss if that's the case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 16, 2018, 09:51:22 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2018, 09:46:12 AM
I'd say Colm Cavanagh must be a serious doubt. Would be a massive loss if that's the case.

With so many quick games, and very little recovery time, squads and who can cope best with injuries are going to win this AI

Donegal have lost Mc Brearty
Galway have lost their midfielder Conroy
"if" Tyrone were to lose Cavanagh, Mc Carron and got any other unlucky injuries, Dublin could walk it with their panel as they have stayed injury free
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 16, 2018, 10:44:53 AM
Just seen this on twitter - Kieran Cunningham

"Dublin won by five on Saturday. Got 0-4 from bench, Donegal 0-0. Last year's All-Ireland final, Dublin bench 0-2, Mayo bench 0-0, won by a point. 2016 All-Ireland final replay, Dublin bench 0-4, Mayo bench 0-0, won by a point. Always the difference with Dublin"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2018, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Club boi on July 16, 2018, 09:51:22 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2018, 09:46:12 AM
I'd say Colm Cavanagh must be a serious doubt. Would be a massive loss if that's the case.

With so many quick games, and very little recovery time, squads and who can cope best with injuries are going to win this AI

Donegal have lost Mc Brearty
Galway have lost their midfielder Conroy
"if" Tyrone were to lose Cavanagh, Mc Carron and got any other unlucky injuries, Dublin could walk it with their panel as they have stayed injury free

McCarron's injury is a blow for him but at least we've got a multitude of options to cover it. Colm is different. However, what was he taken off for? Was it not due to getting a boot in the shins late in first half? Hoping it was more precautionary due to the forthcoming hectic schedule.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 16, 2018, 05:02:05 PM
I assumed Colm coming off was precautionary. Certainly hope so as he's the most irreplacable player we have. I'd say he's far from our best player, but I think he's 100% our most important player.

Look at the early games in the qualifiers and the Monaghan game. He was nowhere near fit and Tyrone laboured big time in those games as a result. As he's got better the last few weeks so have Tyrone looked much better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2018, 11:38:59 AM
When I first heard about the game and the deal with the Dubs allocation of tickets and them being allowed so much of the main stand with season tickets I started getting annoyed.
I feared that our county board would bend over backwards to accommodate them and I heard on the news here in Dublin this morning that they expect the Dubs to outnumber us.
I have noticed for some time now the Tyrone fans NOT being as football crazy as they used to be and certainly not so vocal. We only sing when we're winning line comes to mind a lot.

The Dubs will come to Omagh in huge mass and I fear us the fans are NOT prepared for that.
I've never seen so many Dubs here so keen to attend a game in my life. I'm being tortured since Sunday asking for tickets and where to stay etc etc.

We need to get our act together and stop them taking over. I don't know. Arrange orange marches in Armagh or Aughnacloy and delay them. Dont let them get near Omagh until 8pm.
You see the shite they do to our supporters when ye come to Dublin from parking scams to booing our frees and annoying poor Morgan.
If we let the Dubs settle in nicely and they get their swagger we can kiss this game goodbye after 20 mins. They thrive on goals and when they get the first the flood gates open.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 17, 2018, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2018, 11:38:59 AM
When I first heard about the game and the deal with the Dubs allocation of tickets and them being allowed so much of the main stand with season tickets I started getting annoyed.
I feared that our county board would bend over backwards to accommodate them and I heard on the news here in Dublin this morning that they expect the Dubs to outnumber us.
I have noticed for some time now the Tyrone fans NOT being as football crazy as they used to be and certainly not so vocal. We only sing when we're winning line comes to mind a lot.

The Dubs will come to Omagh in huge mass and I fear us the fans are NOT prepared for that.
I've never seen so many Dubs here so keen to attend a game in my life. I'm being tortured since Sunday asking for tickets and where to stay etc etc.

We need to get our act together and stop them taking over. I don't know. Arrange orange marches in Armagh or Aughnacloy and delay them. Dont let them get near Omagh until 8pm.
You see the shite they do to our supporters when ye come to Dublin from parking scams to booing our frees and annoying poor Morgan.
If we let the Dubs settle in nicely and they get their swagger we can kiss this game goodbye after 20 mins. They thrive on goals and when they get the first the flood gates open.

We should expedite Brexit and erect a border IMMEDIATELY. A 2-3 hour delay at Aughnacloy would sort them. BREXIT NOW!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 17, 2018, 02:26:27 PM
Fuzzman, alot of Tyrone fans have drifted away because of the whole harte/county board thing and the ones who still attend find it hard to get excited by what they are watching most of the time. The real action starts with the club championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 17, 2018, 02:31:38 PM
Saturday night is do-or-die for Tyrone with many supporters; not necessarily win which might be too much of an ask but restore some pride after the debacle against Dublin last summer. It was the manner of that defeat which was so demoralising and humiliating. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 17, 2018, 02:46:52 PM
Ugh just realised when I'm not logged in I can see that bell end South Fermanagh Gaels posts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on July 17, 2018, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 17, 2018, 02:26:27 PM
Fuzzman, alot of Tyrone fans have drifted away because of the whole harte/county board thing and the ones who still attend find it hard to get excited by what they are watching most of the time. The real action starts with the club championship.
You sound like the Derry men now lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on July 17, 2018, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 17, 2018, 02:31:38 PM
Saturday night is do-or-die for Tyrone with many supporters; not necessarily win which might be too much of an ask but restore some pride after the debacle against Dublin last summer. It was the manner of that defeat which was so demoralising and humiliating.


+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 17, 2018, 08:04:20 PM
Spare a thought for the players then if it was so demoralising and humiliating for yourselves lads. It's only a bloody game of football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 17, 2018, 08:25:58 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0716/978945-aidan-orourke-column/ 

Seen this on another page, interesting read
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 17, 2018, 08:44:05 PM
Where gas STG gone was he red carded.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shyted on July 17, 2018, 08:50:04 PM
gud riddance to the arshole
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 09:16:26 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 17, 2018, 08:44:05 PM
Where gas STG gone was he red carded.

I just think everyone has him on their ignore list now so he isn't getting much attention
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on July 17, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
I decided not to put him on my ignore list and I think he has learnt his lesson. Posts are still anti Harte as he is entitled to do but he has not been the smart arsed gulpin he had been.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 17, 2018, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2018, 08:04:20 PM
Spare a thought for the players then if it was so demoralising and humiliating for yourselves lads. It's only a bloody game of football

fault lay with the management but hopefully they have learnt from it as Harte is saying in the papers today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 17, 2018, 10:22:59 PM
We will have to agree to disagree then. I said at the time it was the players fault. In the previous games last year before the Dublin game the players executed the game plan brilliantly. They froze in the semi final, dropped the heads and couldn't make a tackle.
Anyway they have waited 12 months for this and you can be sure you will see a different performance this sat night
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 17, 2018, 10:25:58 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2018, 10:22:59 PM
We will have to agree to disagree then. I said at the time it was the players fault. In the previous games last year before the Dublin game the players executed the game plan brilliantly. They froze in the semi final, dropped the heads and couldn't make a tackle.
Anyway they have waited 12 months for this and you can be sure you will see a different performance this sat night
hope so. looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on July 17, 2018, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 17, 2018, 02:46:52 PM
Ugh just realised when I'm not logged in I can see that bell end South Fermanagh Gaels posts.

Ni bhíonn cuimhne ar an arán a hitear.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on July 18, 2018, 01:10:53 AM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2018, 10:22:59 PM
We will have to agree to disagree then. I said at the time it was the players fault. In the previous games last year before the Dublin game the players executed the game plan brilliantly. They froze in the semi final, dropped the heads and couldn't make a tackle.
Anyway they have waited 12 months for this and you can be sure you will see a different performance this sat night

Horseshit Players did not decide to leave Mark Bradley isolated up front on his own while 13 others plus our keeper sat inside our own 40 meter defensive shape defending a 10 + deficit those tactic are breed out of a defensive mind set from only one individual.  I will say this I hope Mikey has learnt the lessons. I actually am almost convinced he may have with richie Donnelly as a target man inside with at least 1 to 2 men up plus the likes of sludden allowed to boom forward I hope he lets them at it in Omagh.  Nothing to loose.  The negative crap last year gave us nothing but a winter of regrets and serious discontent with the set up at county level. Not easily forgotten but a decent show on Saturday could mend a few bridges.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 18, 2018, 06:45:29 AM
 Hopefully they play well then so a few bridges are mend. Unfortunately the game plan isn't understood or maybe don't want to understand it. And I couldn't blame people for hating it. It's hard to watch sometimes that's for sure but we will have to just get behind the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2018, 11:15:15 AM
Tickets back on Sale and I'm trying to get Tyrone fans to buy them NOT DUBS
http://www.gaa.ie/tickets/

Buy as many as ye can and resell them back to your club as they only have a limited number.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RetiredRessie on July 18, 2018, 12:00:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2018, 11:15:15 AM
Tickets back on Sale and I'm trying to get Tyrone fans to buy them NOT DUBS
http://www.gaa.ie/tickets/

Buy as many as ye can and resell them back to your club as they only have a limited number.

Have two going at face value for any Tyrone fans
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on July 19, 2018, 10:10:10 PM
Anyone see the pictures doing the rounds of Healy park being lined out a metre or ten narrower  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 19, 2018, 10:31:48 PM
1 N Morgan
2 M McKernan
3 R McNamee
4 HP McGeary
5 T McCann
6 F Burns
7 P Harte
8 C Cavanagh
9 P Hampsey
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 C McShane
14 R Donnelly
15 C McAliskey

16 M O'Neill
17 M Bradley
18 L Brennan
19 R Brennan
20 H Loughran
21 C McCann
22 D McClure
23 A McCrory
24 K McGeary
25 P McNulty
26 R O'Neill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on July 19, 2018, 10:34:58 PM
Be very pessimistic with Hugh Pat McGeary going up against any of the Dublin forwards. Thought Rory Brennan was a tailor made replacement. However until 6:55 you would never know who would be taking to the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 19, 2018, 11:52:19 PM
It would be a shame to come down to a Ballybofey showdown and then whimper out.

A Roscommon win on Sat would be golden.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on July 20, 2018, 07:26:49 AM
lot of hype lads tyrone were beaten well by an average monaghan not 6 weeks ago. where do we think a dublin team who could have scored six against the ulster champions will come a cropper?. tyrone have a serious lack of pace around the middle and in defence. mcgeary v mannion and burns v o callaghan are 2 worrying matchups for me. rory breenan hasnt played enough either he was brought on last year in the second half and gavin brought mcmannaman immediately on to expose his lack of a yard . colm cavnagh will be pushed back to sweep and will be exposed again down the wings through pace. mickey is saying hes learned but to do that you have to admit fallability in the first place 1-13-1 might morph into 1-14-0. mickey will hope tyrone are competitive and if he gets away with a less than 6 point defeat he will have won the naysayers over. england even wore tyrone jerseys against croatia lads the hype is similar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 20, 2018, 07:50:01 AM
I would read very little into the Monaghan game. Tyrone had 3 key players starting that game that weren't fit. And I'm convinced overall fitness levels were no where near what they are now. Harte obviously wanted to win ulster but he took a calculated risk that they could do it not at 100% per cent fitness levels. We looked flat by the time the All Ireland semi final came around last year and I think we've tried to learn from that. Even in the Meath game Tyrone looked off the pace and it's only in the last few weeks that the energy levels have really lifted. It doesn't mean we'll win tomorrow night but I wouldn't be predicting the game based on the Monaghan match.

It's great to have such a big game coming to Omagh and let's hope the lads go out and give a good account of themselves. This team has been building now for a few years and a big game win is now critical. Let's hope it comes tomorrow night, that would be some occasion.

I'm not sure the Dubs will get away with as much pulling and dragging of our key players off the ball with the home crowd getting on the officials back. We need Petey Harte and Mattie Donnelly to go and give their best ever performances in a big match. We've seen plenty of potential from both over the years but they have never went out and dominated a really big game. Would love to see them both on form tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on July 20, 2018, 09:54:07 AM
Will we push up on the Dubs Kick outs or concede the kick out and set up defensively that is the big decision....We push up and it sets out tempo for the game, but its a risk with no extra men back covering the Dubs tear our defence apart, or we concede kick out like last year and invite Dubs onto us....Key decision that management teams live and die by.... i cant wait to tomorrow night to be honest....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 20, 2018, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on July 20, 2018, 09:54:07 AM
Will we push up on the Dubs Kick outs or concede the kick out and set up defensively that is the big decision....We push up and it sets out tempo for the game, but its a risk with no extra men back covering the Dubs tear our defence apart, or we concede kick out like last year and invite Dubs onto us....Key decision that management teams live and die by.... i cant wait to tomorrow night to be honest....

I think they'll probably mix it up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on July 20, 2018, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 20, 2018, 07:50:01 AM
I would read very little into the Monaghan game. Tyrone had 3 key players starting that game that weren't fit. And I'm convinced overall fitness levels were no where near what they are now. Harte obviously wanted to win ulster but he took a calculated risk that they could do it not at 100% per cent fitness levels. We looked flat by the time the All Ireland semi final came around last year and I think we've tried to learn from that. Even in the Meath game Tyrone looked off the pace and it's only in the last few weeks that the energy levels have really lifted. It doesn't mean we'll win tomorrow night but I wouldn't be predicting the game based on the Monaghan match.

It's great to have such a big game coming to Omagh and let's hope the lads go out and give a good account of themselves. This team has been building now for a few years and a big game win is now critical. Let's hope it comes tomorrow night, that would be some occasion.

I'm not sure the Dubs will get away with as much pulling and dragging of our key players off the ball with the home crowd getting on the officials back. We need Petey Harte and Mattie Donnelly to go and give their best ever performances in a big match. We've seen plenty of potential from both over the years but they have never went out and dominated a really big game. Would love to see them both on form tomorrow night.
Spot on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on July 20, 2018, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: RetiredRessie on July 18, 2018, 12:00:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2018, 11:15:15 AM
Tickets back on Sale and I'm trying to get Tyrone fans to buy them NOT DUBS
http://www.gaa.ie/tickets/

Buy as many as ye can and resell them back to your club as they only have a limited number.

Have two going at face value for any Tyrone fans

Also have a spare two
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 20, 2018, 06:43:52 PM
I currently have 4 spare adult and 4 spare kids but I will ONLY sell to Tyrone fans and noisy ones at that.  ;D
PM if interested

I'll be in Sally O's 2moro from 2pm onwards for this teamtalkmag.com chat show
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on July 20, 2018, 07:49:43 PM
I'd go to that what's the craic
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 20, 2018, 09:21:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 20, 2018, 07:49:43 PM
I'd go to that what's the craic

https://twitter.com/Sallysofomagh/status/1019956634557263872?s=09
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 21, 2018, 12:04:23 AM
The game tomorrow is a great opportunity for tyrone to win back over supporters who have abandoned them recently. We are at home. It is not a knockout game. Can the team go for it or will they be hamstrung? Going by what we have seen this year I expect tyrone to make this a real test and if things go their way maybe even nick it.
If it was to be a demoralizing defeat it would be very difficult to go to Donegal and win.
That is not what I think will happen though. I expect the players to throw everything at this. As harte himself said this week they could play very well and get beat as the dubs are that good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 21, 2018, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 20, 2018, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on July 20, 2018, 09:54:07 AM
Will we push up on the Dubs Kick outs or concede the kick out and set up defensively that is the big decision....We push up and it sets out tempo for the game, but its a risk with no extra men back covering the Dubs tear our defence apart, or we concede kick out like last year and invite Dubs onto us....Key decision that management teams live and die by.... i cant wait to tomorrow night to be honest....

I think they'll probably mix it up

Agreed. Better to mix it. God i can't wait for this one now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2018, 01:01:12 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 21, 2018, 12:04:23 AM
The game tomorrow is a great opportunity for tyrone to win back over supporters who have abandoned them recently. We are at home. It is not a knockout game. Can the team go for it or will they be hamstrung? Going by what we have seen this year I expect tyrone to make this a real test and if things go their way maybe even nick it.
If it was to be a demoralizing defeat it would be very difficult to go to Donegal and win.
That is not what I think will happen though. I expect the players to throw everything at this. As harte himself said this week they could play very well and get beat as the dubs are that good.

Even if we lose by a close margin and give the Dubsa real game of it, it will encourage us to go at Donegal to get into the semis where if successful would give us a real go at the Dubs in the final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on July 21, 2018, 10:10:11 AM
Throw everything at it and hope god is on our side. Best champ occasion since 08 final tonight. We need pomeroy accordion band playing before it and we need the supporters as our pro called for this week.  giving it Dixie.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on July 21, 2018, 10:33:33 PM
Two things to take from tonight. Tyrone have the squad depth and character to deal with Dublin, just don't have the management. Sat back for too long and done some serious damage when they did push up. Harte needs to go. The other thing is that David Coldrick is an absolute shambles. He wasn't the losing of the game for Tyrone by any means but how he's allowed to referee games of that magnitude baffles me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on July 21, 2018, 10:48:35 PM
Spirited performance from Tyrone but never looked like winning. Dubs are serious outfit and played within themselves. I'd fear for Tyrone if they meet them in Croke Park again cud get a much heavier defeat but having said that can't see anyone beat Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 21, 2018, 10:56:51 PM
Tyrone too slow to make the substitutions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on July 21, 2018, 11:18:55 PM
really quality performance, just lacked abit of cutting edge, didn't make dublin work as hard for scores as we had to. the effort physicality could not be questioned, top class and brought dublin to the edge but no cigar. the difference was a sloppy "lucky" goal, 2 bad wides and a few bad calls by the ref. burns, m donnelly, meyler, harte where really quality and morgan's lockouts was on point 2 or 3 where outrageous, and i didn't think i would ever say that, should be great momentum to the donegal game and get a result
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 21, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Only need to draw with Donegal isn't that right? In that case it would come down to score difference to see who qualifies. That's not a bad place to be at all. Would have taken that after the Monaghan game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 22, 2018, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on July 21, 2018, 11:18:55 PM
really quality performance, just lacked abit of cutting edge, didn't make dublin work as hard for scores as we had to. the effort physicality could not be questioned, top class and brought dublin to the edge but no cigar. the difference was a sloppy "lucky" goal, 2 bad wides and a few bad calls by the ref. burns, m donnelly, meyler, harte where really quality and morgan's lockouts was on point 2 or 3 where outrageous, and i didn't think i would ever say that, should be great momentum to the donegal game and get a result
Yeah that's it in a nutshell. Great performance and a great day out. If mcnamme is out we might see hampsey move Back with McShane or richy moving to the middle,with Bradley coming in. I'd love to see both Brennan and Bradley on as would give us more of scoring threat in the bigger games. All to play for in 2 weeks. Glad the players proved they are more than capable of delerving on the big day
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 22, 2018, 12:02:53 PM
What's the story with Lee Brennan? I'd heard he was flying in training, that was a few weeks ago?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 22, 2018, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 22, 2018, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on July 21, 2018, 11:18:55 PM
really quality performance, just lacked abit of cutting edge, didn't make dublin work as hard for scores as we had to. the effort physicality could not be questioned, top class and brought dublin to the edge but no cigar. the difference was a sloppy "lucky" goal, 2 bad wides and a few bad calls by the ref. burns, m donnelly, meyler, harte where really quality and morgan's lockouts was on point 2 or 3 where outrageous, and i didn't think i would ever say that, should be great momentum to the donegal game and get a result
Yeah that's it in a nutshell. Great performance and a great day out. If mcnamme is out we might see hampsey move Back with McShane or richy moving to the middle,with Bradley coming in. I'd love to see both Brennan and Bradley on as would give us more of scoring threat in the bigger games. All to play for in 2 weeks. Glad the players proved they are more than capable of delerving on the big day

Brennan AND Bradley both together in Ballybofey would be eaten alive by a hungry home mob
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 22, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
Maybe 5 years ago when donegal were uber defensive but this donegal defense isn't as tough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on July 23, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2018, 12:02:53 PM
What's the story with Lee Brennan? I'd heard he was flying in training, that was a few weeks ago?

I'd say with him just coming back off a bad hamstring it's more important to have him ready for the Donegal game, rather than take chance v Dublin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2018, 09:57:08 AM
How serious is the mcnamee injury?
He could be a massive loss going into the ballybofey game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Does Cathal McShane have naked pictures of Harte? He's slow and lazy. He has no strength. He can't tackle, he can't get possession. He's just big and ginger. After that he offers nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 23, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
I like Ronan O'Neill and don't really want to apportion blame but the lad had a free kick, in a perfect position for a right footed kicker, on a perfect evening for football, at his home pitch (how many shots has he got into those goals over the years?) at really important stage of the game. The bottom line is that that kick HAS to over the bar. Every game from here on in are cranked up in terms of pressure. Ronan had everything in his favour on Saturday and didn't deliver, unfortunately if he failed this examination of his nerve can we really afford to have him on the pitch in the last 15 when we need to be converting everything that comes our way? I'm not trying to have a go at O'Neill but at this level we just can't afford to be missing those chances - it ripped the stuffing out of our surge and handed the impetus back to Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on July 23, 2018, 10:25:08 AM
Totally agree with you BennyH. Tyrone will struggle against Donegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:41:02 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 23, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
I like Ronan O'Neill and don't really want to apportion blame but the lad had a free kick, in a perfect position for a right footed kicker, on a perfect evening for football, at his home pitch (how many shots has he got into those goals over the years?) at really important stage of the game. The bottom line is that that kick HAS to over the bar. Every game from here on in are cranked up in terms of pressure. Ronan had everything in his favour on Saturday and didn't deliver, unfortunately if he failed this examination of his nerve can we really afford to have him on the pitch in the last 15 when we need to be converting everything that comes our way? I'm not trying to have a go at O'Neill but at this level we just can't afford to be missing those chances - it ripped the stuffing out of our surge and handed the impetus back to Dublin.

Very true. It was crucial and it needed to be converted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 23, 2018, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 23, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
I like Ronan O'Neill and don't really want to apportion blame but the lad had a free kick, in a perfect position for a right footed kicker, on a perfect evening for football, at his home pitch (how many shots has he got into those goals over the years?) at really important stage of the game. The bottom line is that that kick HAS to over the bar. Every game from here on in are cranked up in terms of pressure. Ronan had everything in his favour on Saturday and didn't deliver, unfortunately if he failed this examination of his nerve can we really afford to have him on the pitch in the last 15 when we need to be converting everything that comes our way? I'm not trying to have a go at O'Neill but at this level we just can't afford to be missing those chances - it ripped the stuffing out of our surge and handed the impetus back to Dublin.

Agreed it had to be kicked over. And who knows if it did? But it didn't, reality is, Dublin were in control of that game - they started messing around with possession football too early and nearly got punished, Tyrone never got a sniff of a goal - they done well to claw it back to 2 points but the Dubs were easily on top. Mark Bradley came on and really that was as lively as it got up there. Encouraging enough stuff from Tyrone but as suspected. it's going to come down to Donegal.

As a side note, when Colm Cavanagh came off - how much better did Tyrone look? Reading too much into it or was it Tyrone just went for it at that stage? To me looked like a better team with more energy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Does Cathal McShane have naked pictures of Harte? He's slow and lazy. He has no strength. He can't tackle, he can't get possession. He's just big and ginger. After that he offers nothing.

Must have been someone else who kicked two points from play on Sat night and fielded at least one kickout above 2 Dublin men  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Does Cathal McShane have naked pictures of Harte? He's slow and lazy. He has no strength. He can't tackle, he can't get possession. He's just big and ginger. After that he offers nothing.

Must have been someone else who kicked two points from play on Sat night and fielded at least one kickout above 2 Dublin men  ::)

He's a passenger. He had a 4 meter head start on Philly McMahon, clean through on goal and didn't even get the ball. After that he looked for a handy ball over the top. Not good enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Does Cathal McShane have naked pictures of Harte? He's slow and lazy. He has no strength. He can't tackle, he can't get possession. He's just big and ginger. After that he offers nothing.

Must have been someone else who kicked two points from play on Sat night and fielded at least one kickout above 2 Dublin men  ::)

He's a passenger. He had a 4 meter head start on Philly McMahon, clean through on goal and didn't even get the ball. After that he looked for a handy ball over the top. Not good enough.

It was Paul Manion you clown.  You also realise only for McShane kicking an equalizer in injury time against Meath Tyrone wouldn't have even been playing Dublin in the Super 8's
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 23, 2018, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Does Cathal McShane have naked pictures of Harte? He's slow and lazy. He has no strength. He can't tackle, he can't get possession. He's just big and ginger. After that he offers nothing.

Must have been someone else who kicked two points from play on Sat night and fielded at least one kickout above 2 Dublin men  ::)

He's a passenger. He had a 4 meter head start on Philly McMahon, clean through on goal and didn't even get the ball. After that he looked for a handy ball over the top. Not good enough.

Absolute nonsense trailer. I can't understand why McShane is such a target for abuse from Tyrone supporters. I agree that in previous years he has been frustrating and guilty of poor decisions but this year he has popped up with a point or two in every game we play whilst doing trojan work around the middle and consistently providing an outlet for a long kick out from Morgan.

Let's not forget that we would be out of the championship for 6 weeks now had he not stepped up in Navan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:43:30 PM
Does it matter which Dublin player it was? He had at least 4 meters of a start and he didn't even get possession. He doesn't provide an outlet, he hides and he's slow. He doesn't work hard enough and he doesn't catch any ball.
When he plays he just filling a jersey. Offers nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2018, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Does Cathal McShane have naked pictures of Harte? He's slow and lazy. He has no strength. He can't tackle, he can't get possession. He's just big and ginger. After that he offers nothing.

Must have been someone else who kicked two points from play on Sat night and fielded at least one kickout above 2 Dublin men  ::)

He's a passenger. He had a 4 meter head start on Philly McMahon, clean through on goal and didn't even get the ball. After that he looked for a handy ball over the top. Not good enough.

It was Paul Manion you clown.  You also realise only for McShane kicking an equalizer in injury time against Meath Tyrone wouldn't have even been playing Dublin in the Super 8's


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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 23, 2018, 12:51:49 PM
That chance from McShane was poor work don't understand why he slowed up just as he was going to get the ball. Though criticism above is way off the mark. Would he be my in my first choice 15? Probably not but can see why Mickey rates him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2018, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Does Cathal McShane have naked pictures of Harte? He's slow and lazy. He has no strength. He can't tackle, he can't get possession. He's just big and ginger. After that he offers nothing.

Must have been someone else who kicked two points from play on Sat night and fielded at least one kickout above 2 Dublin men  ::)

He's a passenger. He had a 4 meter head start on Philly McMahon, clean through on goal and didn't even get the ball. After that he looked for a handy ball over the top. Not good enough.

It was Paul Manion you clown.  You also realise only for McShane kicking an equalizer in injury time against Meath Tyrone wouldn't have even been playing Dublin in the Super 8's


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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 23, 2018, 01:11:58 PM
A lot of back slapping going on but the Donegal game and semi final are must win or what will have changed from last 10 years? Lost to Division One teams Monaghan and Dublin and beat much lower ranked teams in Meath Carlow Cork and Roscommon.
Winning in Ballybofey will not be easy but Donegal minus McBrearty should be put away. And then a win over Galway/Monaghan/Kerry in semi final would see this team finally make the grade. It is within their grasp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 23, 2018, 01:47:55 PM
We shouldn't be b**ching about individual players at this stage of things. Not as if mickey harte is gonna change his mind after reading this! What advantage does it give us? Nothing and you run the risk of a young lad already under pressure erading this crap and taking it in to a game.

Sudden death now so we should get behind them and leave your berating until the seasons done!

And as someone who has played against Cathal McShane, he certainly is not slow!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 23, 2018, 01:55:53 PM
Hugely unfair criticism of McShane. People get caught up on one or two incidents and make their minds up based on that. He has consistently been scoring a couple of points in each game and putting in huge work rate. He can be frustrating at times but has plenty of potential. Took a heavy knock making a great catch not long before the goal chance. I'd say he had more possessions than a lot of other players on the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 12:43:30 PM
Does it matter which Dublin player it was? He had at least 4 meters of a start and he didn't even get possession. He doesn't provide an outlet, he hides and he's slow. He doesn't work hard enough and he doesn't catch any ball.
When he plays he just filling a jersey. Offers nothing.

I see you dont address the other point regarding the pressure score he kicked against meath to keep tyrone in the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 23, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
On ONeills free at the end.  Had he even touched the ball before that?  Tough kick for someone coming off the bench into that cauldron.  The kick seemed central enough for someone like Peter Harte or Bradley, who looked very good when he came on,to demand the ball and kick it. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 23, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
On ONeills free at the end.  Had he even touched the ball before that?  Tough kick for someone coming off the bench into that cauldron.  The kick seemed central enough for someone like Peter Harte or Bradley, who looked very good when he came on,to demand the ball and kick it.

I said the same but then heard someone saying O'Neil sprinted across to get hitting it. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 23, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Totally over the top in relation to McShane. I think his place may be under threat as Harte may want to get Bradley and Brennan into the FF line. Surely we have to go for it in Ballybofey. My thoughts are Hampsey back to three, Ritchy to midfield to roam and McShane to drop out. Possibly unfair on Cathal, however, we need our main scoring threats on the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on July 23, 2018, 02:50:47 PM
Did Hampsey not do a great job on Fenton? He is the man for Murphy too at midfield or full back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 23, 2018, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 23, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
On ONeills free at the end.  Had he even touched the ball before that?  Tough kick for someone coming off the bench into that cauldron.  The kick seemed central enough for someone like Peter Harte or Bradley, who looked very good when he came on,to demand the ball and kick it.

Yeah fair point, maybe management or some of the senior players should have intervened and told Harte to kick it. But hindsight is always 20/20, Harte had played 75 minutes of intense championship football at that point, wouldve been tired whilst O'Neill was fresh and on his home pitch. I don't want to be too harsh on him as it is always hard to come on and kick a free with your first touch but unfortunately there comes a time when the excuses run out and it is fast approaching for this Tyrone team in the big games.

It will be a titanic battle in Ballybofey in two weeks but I think we can do it and then I would give us a good chance v Galway or Monaghan in the semi. I would like to see Bradley come in from the start v Donegal but in fairness to the forwards I think it would be difficult to drop any of them at this point. And there is absolutely no chance that McShane will be dropped for the Donegal game.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 23, 2018, 03:40:55 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 23, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
On ONeills free at the end.  Had he even touched the ball before that?  Tough kick for someone coming off the bench into that cauldron.  The kick seemed central enough for someone like Peter Harte or Bradley, who looked very good when he came on,to demand the ball and kick it.

I see your point and it's an immeasurable factor. How many touches do you need before kicking a free? I'd be more inclined to think that getting a shot away under pressure from play would be more difficult than a free kick after coming on, but maybe not. When you are coming on with 15 mins to go you need to be ready to convert every chance you get, including relatively easy frees. Would Skeet have kicked that coming on cold? If the way to beat Dublin is to keep it as tight as possible then go hell for leather in the last 15 mins to knick it, then maybe we'd be better starting with o'neill and bringing Skeet in later on. That miss was like bursting a balloon and the energy built up evaporated immediately. I genuinely like O'Neill as a player and don't wish to be too harsh on him but at this stage of the competition we need to be ruthless. On a separate note, how impressive has Kieran McGearys cameos been this year? In my view he changed the dynamics of the game, he's never afraid to take responsibility kicking 2 points and the workload he went through in the last 15 mins was just immense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 23, 2018, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 23, 2018, 03:40:55 PM

On a separate note, how impressive has Kieran McGearys cameos been this year? In my view he changed the dynamics of the game, he's never afraid to take responsibility kicking 2 points and the workload he went through in the last 15 mins was just immense.

Yes completely agree, McGeary is a clutch player who you'd want beside you in the trenches - I'm thinking back as far as the 2016 Ulster final when he kicked the insurance point. He will be a key player in Ballybofey. I think it's possible that Harte doesn't start him because he knows he wants him on the pitch at the end of the game, whereas if he played from the start he might need to be replaced since the middle third players are required to do so much running nowadays.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on July 23, 2018, 04:12:31 PM
Tickets online at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on July 23, 2018, 04:14:58 PM
is the East Terrace the main Terrace or behind a goal?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 23, 2018, 06:42:38 PM
i think what the last 10 mins on saturday night prove is that our players are good enough to go toe to toe with dublin. just a pity we waited until the game had gone from us at that stage. at least they showed a bit of fight unlike last year and the likes of frank burns and mc kernan are major additions. we need to move away from containment/counterattacking football and play without fear against ALL teams. unfortunately our style has come up short against the two div 1 teams we have played. there is so much more there for us if we really go for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 24, 2018, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 23, 2018, 06:42:38 PM
i think what the last 10 mins on saturday night prove is that our players are good enough to go toe to toe with dublin. just a pity we waited until the game had gone from us at that stage. at least they showed a bit of fight unlike last year and the likes of frank burns and mc kernan are major additions. we need to move away from containment/counterattacking football and play without fear against ALL teams. unfortunately our style has come up short against the two div 1 teams we have played. there is so much more there for us if we really go for it.

Yes, Tyrone "gave it a go" but Dublin were in totaly control of the game from start to finish. False hope for the Tyrone faithful just because we got close to Dublin but I cant see us getting anything from ballybofey and therefore will be out of the Championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 24, 2018, 10:21:12 AM
Donegal have 3 very important players in Murphy, McHugh and MacNiallais.
One of the McMahons did a fine man to man job on Murphy a few years ago; could Hampsey do the same ? McKernan is young, but would he be worth a punt on young Ryan- Rory Brennan a good marker also? Hugh Pat on Odhran?
I'd play McClure in the middle and save Lee Brennan for the last 15-------
McBrearty would have made the difference but Tyrone have a massive opportunity now in the cauldron that will be Ballybofey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 24, 2018, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2018, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on July 23, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2018, 10:07:43 AM
Does Cathal McShane have naked pictures of Harte? He's slow and lazy. He has no strength. He can't tackle, he can't get possession. He's just big and ginger. After that he offers nothing.

Must have been someone else who kicked two points from play on Sat night and fielded at least one kickout above 2 Dublin men  ::)

He's a passenger. He had a 4 meter head start on Philly McMahon, clean through on goal and didn't even get the ball. After that he looked for a handy ball over the top. Not good enough.

It was Paul Manion you clown.  You also realise only for McShane kicking an equalizer in injury time against Meath Tyrone wouldn't have even been playing Dublin in the Super 8's


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A rattled trailer we have here.

If you think McShane offers nothing, you dont really have a clue about football, do you mate?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on July 24, 2018, 10:45:56 AM
McShane has kicked 12 points in the championship so far,not bad!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on July 24, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 24, 2018, 10:21:12 AM
Donegal have 3 very important players in Murphy, McHugh and MacNiallais.
One of the McMahons did a fine man to man job on Murphy a few years ago; could Hampsey do the same ? McKernan is young, but would he be worth a punt on young Ryan- Rory Brennan a good marker also? Hugh Pat on Odhran?
I'd play McClure in the middle and save Lee Brennan for the last 15-------
McBrearty would have made the difference but Tyrone have a massive opportunity now in the cauldron that will be Ballybofey

Rory Brennan has really impressed me every time I have seen him play. What age is he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on July 24, 2018, 03:11:30 PM
Brennan fumbled the first 3 or 4 balls he got at the weekend. dispossessed at least once - looked nervy to me.
MH will have to do an extra Our Father and three Hail Mary's for the fibs he's been telling  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 24, 2018, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on July 24, 2018, 03:11:30 PM
Brennan fumbled the first 3 or 4 balls he got at the weekend. dispossessed at least once - looked nervy to me.
MH will have to do an extra Our Father and three Hail Mary's for the fibs he's been telling  ;)
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on July 28, 2018, 04:10:25 AM
As impressive as Tyrone have been they are still far too one dimensional. Put Colm Cavanagh into full forward and get him in on top of the opposition goal keeper especially the likes of cluxton. Philly McMahon and Cooper have it too easy against our predictable forwards. A few Kieran Donaghy special s will make the Dublin defence less decisive. Harte has too really waken up or Jim Gavin and others will always be two steps ahead of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 28, 2018, 10:04:19 PM
Funny I said before the semi final last year we should go with the two cavanaghs in FFL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 28, 2018, 10:21:38 PM
You'd have to imagine that this would be a game we could target less emphasis on sweepers. Surely at times when Murphy is out the field Colm should move out of the sweeper role. Minus McBreaty they don't have a FF line that's going to rip us to shreds. Burns dropping back alongside our naturally deep lying HB and HF line should be more than enough cover.

Would really love to see us go straight at Donegal and put them under serious pressure early on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 30, 2018, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on July 24, 2018, 10:45:56 AM
McShane has kicked 12 points in the championship so far,not bad!

Do you have a full list of top scorers for us this year CR?
I see McAliskey is 3rd top scorer after McManus and Rock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#Top_Scorer:_Overall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#Top_Scorer:_Overall)

Does any of ye in the UK watch the games on Premier sports
Is it bascially RTE coverage and commentary
Intend to watch the Donegal game in Oxford (ONeills maybe)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 30, 2018, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 30, 2018, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on July 24, 2018, 10:45:56 AM
McShane has kicked 12 points in the championship so far,not bad!

Do you have a full list of top scorers for us this year CR?
I see McAliskey is 3rd top scorer after McManus and Rock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#Top_Scorer:_Overall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#Top_Scorer:_Overall)

Does any of ye in the UK watch the games on Premier sports
Is it bascially RTE coverage and commentary
Intend to watch the Donegal game in Oxford (ONeills maybe)

Aye, Premier Sports is pretty much the RTÉ coverage. I have GAAgo so watch all the non sky games on that. Thankfully, I'll be in Ballybofey this Sunday though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 30, 2018, 05:53:10 PM
Sold out. Looks like there will be minimal tickets available via clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on July 30, 2018, 07:11:00 PM
Joe McQuillan the man in the middle
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 30, 2018, 10:21:32 PM
It can't be sold out yet. There is more than enough tickets for clubs, any that aren't used will go on sale again on Thursday probably.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 30, 2018, 11:13:47 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 30, 2018, 10:21:32 PM
It can't be sold out yet. There is more than enough tickets for clubs, any that aren't used will go on sale again on Thursday probably.
Centre of attention
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 30, 2018, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 30, 2018, 11:13:47 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 30, 2018, 10:21:32 PM
It can't be sold out yet. There is more than enough tickets for clubs, any that aren't used will go on sale again on Thursday probably.
Centre of attention
Indeed. I stand corrected. Sorry dire I didn't read the other thread
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 31, 2018, 10:14:17 AM
Not you sorry! I meant Joe :D, I replied to the wrong quote :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on July 31, 2018, 01:34:10 PM
Notified by County Board today that Clubs will receive no more than 40 tickets each in total for Sunday's game.

Where have all the tickets gone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on July 31, 2018, 04:20:21 PM
I've heard reports of another club only receiving 12 tickets, 4 of those being for the stand!  Its outrageous to think that these tickets could have been bought by any slack jawed yokle with nil involvement with their club in the like of Supervalue yet the grass roots workers-players-coaches won't be catered for & will probably end up falling out with each other over who got what!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 31, 2018, 05:33:44 PM
Text from club saying that only 41% of tickets orders will be fulfilled. Although I didn't order any for this weekend it's a total joke that those who held off to go through the club are screwed over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: giveherlong on July 31, 2018, 10:40:15 PM
Some fcuk up made by the GAA on the tickets for this game and the hurling replay
Why could they not fulfil the club orders first and then send the left overs out via Supervalu, Centra, ONeills etc this week??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on July 31, 2018, 11:07:08 PM
How did the season ticket holders fare out this time round ? I hope they got seats. I saw a lad crying his eyes  out on the terrace at the Dublin game because he couldn't see a thing.  He and his family were season tickets holders and had attended all the games up to then. They will not be renewing next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2018, 11:21:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 31, 2018, 11:07:08 PM
How did the season ticket holders fare out this time round ? I hope they got seats. I saw a lad crying his eyes  out on the terrace at the Dublin game because he couldn't see a thing.  He and his family were season tickets holders and had attended all the games up to then. They will not be renewing next year.

That was the very first time in my experience, and I've been a continuous season ticket holder since their inception, that we were denied Stand access, anywhere, never mind for a 'home' game. So it's not surprising that there will be disaffected holders after that fairly disgraceful snub, and they'll have no one to blame but themselves, for treating their bankrollers with such ill-disguised contempt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on July 31, 2018, 11:25:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2018, 11:21:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 31, 2018, 11:07:08 PM
How did the season ticket holders fare out this time round ? I hope they got seats. I saw a lad crying his eyes  out on the terrace at the Dublin game because he couldn't see a thing.  He and his family were season tickets holders and had attended all the games up to then. They will not be renewing next year.

That was the very first time in my experience, and I've been a continuous season ticket holder since their inception, that we were denied Stand access, anywhere, never mind for a 'home' game. So it's not surprising that there will be disaffected holders after that fairly disgraceful snub, and they'll have no one to blame but themselves, for treating their bankrollers with such ill-disguised contempt.

Hmm don't agree wholeheartedly. The first option for tickets in my opinion for these bigger games should be the clubs. Season ticket holders should be below them. The whole stand access and being disgruntled doesn't wash. Dry your eyes. You still got to the game.  And I'm not getting at you or anything Fear an Srath Ban. Just an opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 01, 2018, 12:08:40 AM
That argument doesn't stack up though. As far as I am aware Clubs only got a handful of stand tickets for the Dublin game. In fact our club sent out a text saying only terrace tickets would be available. I know this was the case with lots of clubs as you could see this same message on their social media posts. So the question needs to be asked where did all the stand tickets go if season ticket holders weren't there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2018, 12:35:57 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 31, 2018, 11:25:25 PM

Hmm don't agree wholeheartedly. The first option for tickets in my opinion for these bigger games should be the clubs. Season ticket holders should be below them. The whole stand access and being disgruntled doesn't wash. Dry your eyes. You still got to the game.  And I'm not getting at you or anything Fear an Srath Ban. Just an opinion.

But as omagh_gael says, the clubs weren't given preference here to any appreciable degree. So you have to ask, if neither the clubs nor the season ticket holders were looked after, Stand-wise, who were?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 01, 2018, 12:44:43 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2018, 12:35:57 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 31, 2018, 11:25:25 PM

Hmm don't agree wholeheartedly. The first option for tickets in my opinion for these bigger games should be the clubs. Season ticket holders should be below them. The whole stand access and being disgruntled doesn't wash. Dry your eyes. You still got to the game.  And I'm not getting at you or anything Fear an Srath Ban. Just an opinion.

But as omagh_gael says, the clubs weren't given preference here to any appreciable degree. So you have to ask, if neither the clubs nor the season ticket holders were looked after, Stand-wise, who were?

There'd be 80 players to be sorted out with tickets straight away never mind backroom teams. Even allowing for them getting 3 it'd take away 3000 tickets. Sponsors probably took the rest and whether you agree or not they contribute the most. Do Club Tyrone still get their allocation?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 01, 2018, 07:56:48 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on August 01, 2018, 12:44:43 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2018, 12:35:57 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 31, 2018, 11:25:25 PM

Hmm don't agree wholeheartedly. The first option for tickets in my opinion for these bigger games should be the clubs. Season ticket holders should be below them. The whole stand access and being disgruntled doesn't wash. Dry your eyes. You still got to the game.  And I'm not getting at you or anything Fear an Srath Ban. Just an opinion.

But as omagh_gael says, the clubs weren't given preference here to any appreciable degree. So you have to ask, if neither the clubs nor the season ticket holders were looked after, Stand-wise, who were?

There'd be 80 players to be sorted out with tickets straight away never mind backroom teams. Even allowing for them getting 3 it'd take away 3000 tickets. Sponsors probably took the rest and whether you agree or not they contribute the most. Do Club Tyrone still get their allocation?
Soi players and back room teams getting 3 each = 3000?
How big is the Dublin backroom  team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 08:10:02 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 01, 2018, 07:56:48 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on August 01, 2018, 12:44:43 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2018, 12:35:57 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 31, 2018, 11:25:25 PM

Hmm don't agree wholeheartedly. The first option for tickets in my opinion for these bigger games should be the clubs. Season ticket holders should be below them. The whole stand access and being disgruntled doesn't wash. Dry your eyes. You still got to the game.  And I'm not getting at you or anything Fear an Srath Ban. Just an opinion.

But as omagh_gael says, the clubs weren't given preference here to any appreciable degree. So you have to ask, if neither the clubs nor the season ticket holders were looked after, Stand-wise, who were?

There'd be 80 players to be sorted out with tickets straight away never mind backroom teams. Even allowing for them getting 3 it'd take away 3000 tickets. Sponsors probably took the rest and whether you agree or not they contribute the most. Do Club Tyrone still get their allocation?
Soi players and back room teams getting 3 each = 3000?
How big is the Dublin backroom  team?

As Joe brolly said, there only thing they don't have is a gynaecologist.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 01, 2018, 08:18:27 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 31, 2018, 11:25:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 31, 2018, 11:21:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 31, 2018, 11:07:08 PM
How did the season ticket holders fare out this time round ? I hope they got seats. I saw a lad crying his eyes  out on the terrace at the Dublin game because he couldn't see a thing.  He and his family were season tickets holders and had attended all the games up to then. They will not be renewing next year.

That was the very first time in my experience, and I've been a continuous season ticket holder since their inception, that we were denied Stand access, anywhere, never mind for a 'home' game. So it's not surprising that there will be disaffected holders after that fairly disgraceful snub, and they'll have no one to blame but themselves, for treating their bankrollers with such ill-disguised contempt.

Hmm don't agree wholeheartedly. The first option for tickets in my opinion for these bigger games should be the clubs. Season ticket holders should be below them. The whole stand access and being disgruntled doesn't wash. Dry your eyes. You still got to the game.  And I'm not getting at you or anything Fear an Srath Ban. Just an opinion.

If it wasn't for the season ticket holders Tyrone would have had very little or no support in Carlow, Enniskillen or the away league games. It's the season ticket holders that follow the team all year and deserve their tickets for the big games. The vast majority of club members weren't involved in club activities clashing with those games and couldn't be bothered going. That's fair enough but they shouldn't dominate all the seated tickets when they do go. There should certainly be an allocation but season ticket holders should also be accommodated.

I'd love to see a breakdown of how many tickets the Tyrone clubs sold for all the championship games to date.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn't have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 01, 2018, 12:03:45 PM
I'd be fairly confident that the vast majority of season ticket holders would be club members and supporters as well. There would be a few that have moved away from home and perhaps aren't involved in a club and therefore use the season ticket for access to tickets but that wouldn't be a huge number.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on August 01, 2018, 12:24:56 PM
Don't think the issue here is season ticket holders, the vast majority of whom I would envisage are club members. The issue is non GAA members getting tickets before GAA members, an example is someone where I live saying he noticed people queuing for tickets in SuperValu, he decided on a whim to buy 2 himself. I'd say this man has been to about 5 GAA in his entire life. Contrast this to senior players in our club who are training/playing/coaching every week and they can't get a ticket. I'll say no more...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 01, 2018, 05:15:09 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on August 01, 2018, 12:24:56 PM
Don't think the issue here is season ticket holders, the vast majority of whom I would envisage are club members. The issue is non GAA members getting tickets before GAA members, an example is someone where I live saying he noticed people queuing for tickets in SuperValu, he decided on a whim to buy 2 himself. I'd say this man has been to about 5 GAA in his entire life. Contrast this to senior players in our club who are training/playing/coaching every week and they can't get a ticket. I'll say no more...

I think it'd be a 50/50 split. Obviously Club Tyrone gets frst pick, but the clubs/players should get precedence over season ticket holders. At least we won't have to listen to the crying about having to stand at a game i.e the Dublin game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 01, 2018, 10:22:29 PM
In the Advent of the super 8s and the scheduling of home games in the height of summer it is now time for the Tyrone county board and others to invest in better ground infrastructure.  It may cost a lot of money but it will have to be done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn't have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.

This.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 01, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on August 01, 2018, 05:15:09 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on August 01, 2018, 12:24:56 PM
Don't think the issue here is season ticket holders, the vast majority of whom I would envisage are club members. The issue is non GAA members getting tickets before GAA members, an example is someone where I live saying he noticed people queuing for tickets in SuperValu, he decided on a whim to buy 2 himself. I'd say this man has been to about 5 GAA in his entire life. Contrast this to senior players in our club who are training/playing/coaching every week and they can't get a ticket. I'll say no more...

I think it'd be a 50/50 split. Obviously Club Tyrone gets frst pick, but the clubs/players should get precedence over season ticket holders. At least we won't have to listen to the crying about having to stand at a game i.e the Dublin game.

You still haven't come up with a non-comical explanation regarding who occupied the Stand for the Dublin game?

Instead, you just seem to be throwing mud about hither and thither (and yes, I'm Club Tyrone too, plus a Patron, plus a Dragon).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 01, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn't have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.

This.

I know people who volunteer at their Club 3 or 4 nights a week. When NFL or McKenna Cup games are on they dont have time OR have work commitments OR Club commitments on that mean they cant attend.

For example. In Feb someone coaches the senior team. Training Tues
Training Fri
Match Sun

Saturday is given over to catching up at home or family time. So it's fair they.miss out to someone who never darkens the Club door?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on August 01, 2018, 11:19:59 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 01, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn't have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.

This.

I know people who volunteer at their Club 3 or 4 nights a week. When NFL or McKenna Cup games are on they dont have time OR have work commitments OR Club commitments on that mean they cant attend.

For example. In Feb someone coaches the senior team. Training Tues
Training Fri
Match Sun

Saturday is given over to catching up at home or family time. So it's fair they.miss out to someone who never darkens the Club door?

This
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 01, 2018, 11:27:04 PM
somebody made some c**k up here we may never find out who is responsible for this....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 01, 2018, 11:41:44 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 01, 2018, 11:27:04 PM
somebody made some c**k up here we may never find out who is responsible for this....

Looks to me like it was Croke Park. Surely they'd have been responsible for releasing the tickets on general sale before clubs even got their reminders out to members for requests.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 02, 2018, 08:16:13 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 01, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn't have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.

This.

I know people who volunteer at their Club 3 or 4 nights a week. When NFL or McKenna Cup games are on they dont have time OR have work commitments OR Club commitments on that mean they cant attend.

For example. In Feb someone coaches the senior team. Training Tues
Training Fri
Match Sun

Saturday is given over to catching up at home or family time. So it's fair they.miss out to someone who never darkens the Club door?

I do feel for these people. But the model where county tickets are distributed through clubs is flawed too. Putting the fate of a  entire town or village in the hands of one person is wild. Club politics will always play a role in who gets a ticket and who loses out. We all remember hearing the stories in 2003.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 02, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 01, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn't have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.

This.

I know people who volunteer at their Club 3 or 4 nights a week. When NFL or McKenna Cup games are on they dont have time OR have work commitments OR Club commitments on that mean they cant attend.

For example. In Feb someone coaches the senior team. Training Tues
Training Fri
Match Sun

Saturday is given over to catching up at home or family time. So it's fair they.miss out to someone who never darkens the Club door?

There is plenty of tickets for this relatively small number of club people along with the die hard Tyrone fans who follow the team whether they are going well or not. The issue is some people here are suggesting that general members deserve tickets ahead of the season ticket holders. As noted most of the season ticket holders are active club supporters and members as well.

The season ticket system is great for rewarding the loyal fans with attendance being monitored. This isn't always the case when tickets are dealt with through the clubs as often those in the know are sorted first and the most loyal fans who go to games all year could end up in a draw for tickets with someone who hasn't been to a game.

As I said earlier if it wasn't for the season ticket holders Tyrone would have little or no support at a lot of the non home games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on August 02, 2018, 09:03:33 AM
.....and only for this club members and workers there would be no county team. It is a problem we will all have to deal with in the future. Like it or not we have to reward the corporate bodies who fund our games and no one could possibly say players and backroom staff dont deserve tickets. We cried out for games out of Croke Park, so this is the downside
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 02, 2018, 11:07:02 AM
Club members and season ticket holders are not mutually exclusive groups, they're complementary, and there's a very significant overlap I should imagine.

Regarding the Dublin game -- it's no hardship to have had to go to the Terrace as opposed to the Stand. Rather, it's what it represented, which was the breaking of the ST 'contract', for the first time, and would agree that Croke Park would appear to be the culprits.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 02, 2018, 11:08:55 AM
It's a big game in a small ground. People were always going to miss out. It sucks I know. But that's the reality. Should as many tickets went on sale in super valu's? Probably not, but either way a lot of fans were going to be disappointed unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RetiredRessie on August 02, 2018, 11:58:36 AM
Tickets should not of been on general sale before club allocation plain and simple.

Season ticket holders and club members should be equal priority.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 02, 2018, 12:47:21 PM
Quote from: RetiredRessie on August 02, 2018, 11:58:36 AM
Tickets should not of been on general sale before club allocation plain and simple.

Season ticket holders and club members should be equal priority.

Problem there is that season tickets go to more or less every single game. Is it fair that a club member comes along and gets an equal shout when they maybe didn't go near a Tyrone game all year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 02, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 01, 2018, 11:19:59 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 01, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn't have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.

This.

I know people who volunteer at their Club 3 or 4 nights a week. When NFL or McKenna Cup games are on they dont have time OR have work commitments OR Club commitments on that mean they cant attend.

For example. In Feb someone coaches the senior team. Training Tues
Training Fri
Match Sun

Saturday is given over to catching up at home or family time. So it's fair they.miss out to someone who never darkens the Club door?

This

McKenna cup games are 70mins long, same as late on championship games. If they don't have time for a McKenna cup game then logically they don't have time for a  all Ireland series game either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on August 02, 2018, 01:56:33 PM
It's ridiculous that everyone is bringing season ticket holders into this debate, they have nothing to do with the problem. Obviously they deserve their ticket since they've been going to games all year and have paid up. However between Tyrone and Donegal you would have a maximum of 4000 season ticket holders. I understand the capacity of Ballybofey this Sunday is around 16000, so leaving aside the season ticket holders there are 12000 extra tickets. This would have been more than enough to satisfy demand through the clubs as well as putting some on general sale. The balls up is because the GAA stupidly put too many tickets up for general sale, and put them up too early. It has nothing to with season tickets. I'm surprised I haven't seen this mentioned more in the media this week as it is a disgrace, although maybe everyone has got tired talking about GAA f*ck-ups this summer...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on August 02, 2018, 02:17:51 PM
There'll be plenty of tickets lads! chill out ffs!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 02, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 01, 2018, 11:19:59 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 01, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn't have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.

This.

I know people who volunteer at their Club 3 or 4 nights a week. When NFL or McKenna Cup games are on they dont have time OR have work commitments OR Club commitments on that mean they cant attend.

For example. In Feb someone coaches the senior team. Training Tues
Training Fri
Match Sun

Saturday is given over to catching up at home or family time. So it's fair they.miss out to someone who never darkens the Club door?

This

McKenna cup games are 70mins long, same as late on championship games. If they don't have time for a McKenna cup game then logically they don't have time for a  all Ireland series game either.


You have not managed many senior teams in the last 5 years then....


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on August 02, 2018, 04:08:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 02, 2018, 12:50:56 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 01, 2018, 11:19:59 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 01, 2018, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2018, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Any club member should get priority over a season ticket holder???
A club member pays an annual subscription to his/her club and doesn’t have to attend any matches whatsoever. A season ticket holder pays out more and that is before the expense of travelling away to these games.

This.

I know people who volunteer at their Club 3 or 4 nights a week. When NFL or McKenna Cup games are on they dont have time OR have work commitments OR Club commitments on that mean they cant attend.

For example. In Feb someone coaches the senior team. Training Tues
Training Fri
Match Sun

Saturday is given over to catching up at home or family time. So it's fair they.miss out to someone who never darkens the Club door?

This

McKenna cup games are 70mins long, same as late on championship games. If they don't have time for a McKenna cup game then logically they don't have time for a  all Ireland series game either.

This statement is why there is a disconnect between club and county in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 02, 2018, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on August 02, 2018, 01:56:33 PM
It's ridiculous that everyone is bringing season ticket holders into this debate, they have nothing to do with the problem. Obviously they deserve their ticket since they've been going to games all year and have paid up. However between Tyrone and Donegal you would have a maximum of 4000 season ticket holders. I understand the capacity of Ballybofey this Sunday is around 16000, so leaving aside the season ticket holders there are 12000 extra tickets. This would have been more than enough to satisfy demand through the clubs as well as putting some on general sale. The balls up is because the GAA stupidly put too many tickets up for general sale, and put them up too early. It has nothing to with season tickets. I'm surprised I haven't seen this mentioned more in the media this week as it is a disgrace, although maybe everyone has got tired talking about GAA f*ck-ups this summer...

It's not that the season ticket holders have caused it or anything. Its just the complaining. There will be infinite more good GAA club peoples who will lose out than the season ticket holders. As mentioned below, in 90% of the cases, if you are involved with your club coaching/playing from minor age up, you don't have the time for McKenna Cup games or league games (for definite away games). But these are the good genuine gaels who will lose out. I'd be more afraid of offending and losing them than losing Joe Bloggs who couldnt name his senior club captain.

Just on another note, is it not nigh on time that the GAA sold all their tickets through Ticketmaster or the GAA website. Then everyone has the fair chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 02, 2018, 05:52:27 PM
I'd imangine all clubs will look after the loyal volunteers, you can be sure of that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 02, 2018, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 02, 2018, 05:52:27 PM
I'd imangine all clubs will look after the loyal volunteers, you can be sure of that.

How can Club's look after the loyal volunteers when they're only getting a small percentage for requested tickets? Most Clubs will distribute to Committee > Players > Active Members > Nonactive members. They won't even get past players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on August 02, 2018, 06:09:41 PM
Many clubs never ordered a ticket for the Brewster Park game against Cavan and Carlow but it's very easy to blame the season ticket holders, many of the season ticket holders will be in attendance at the O'Fiaich Cup, some club members will never have heard tell of it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 02, 2018, 06:10:00 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2018, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 02, 2018, 05:52:27 PM
I'd imangine all clubs will look after the loyal volunteers, you can be sure of that.

How can Club's look after the loyal volunteers when they're only getting a small percentage for requested tickets? Most Clubs will distribute to Committee > Players > Active Members > Nonactive members. They won't even get past players.

Won't get past committee. Bad state of affairs. Not sure how many of you listen to Wooly Parkinson's podcast but he says is this the worst administrative year in the history of the GAA?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 02, 2018, 06:20:00 PM
There isn't enough tickets to include players. So I think it's probably committe then the loyal volunteers then the rest will be drawn out. You would be surprised the amount of club players who don't attend county games. Of course there will be a few who will miss out but if your are great volunteer then im pretty sure you will be rewarded
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 02, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
One very prominent club in Tyrone orders less than 15 tickets for the Dublin game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 02, 2018, 07:20:50 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on August 02, 2018, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on August 02, 2018, 01:56:33 PM
It's ridiculous that everyone is bringing season ticket holders into this debate, they have nothing to do with the problem. Obviously they deserve their ticket since they've been going to games all year and have paid up. However between Tyrone and Donegal you would have a maximum of 4000 season ticket holders. I understand the capacity of Ballybofey this Sunday is around 16000, so leaving aside the season ticket holders there are 12000 extra tickets. This would have been more than enough to satisfy demand through the clubs as well as putting some on general sale. The balls up is because the GAA stupidly put too many tickets up for general sale, and put them up too early. It has nothing to with season tickets. I'm surprised I haven't seen this mentioned more in the media this week as it is a disgrace, although maybe everyone has got tired talking about GAA f*ck-ups this summer...

It's not that the season ticket holders have caused it or anything. Its just the complaining. There will be infinite more good GAA club peoples who will lose out than the season ticket holders. As mentioned below, in 90% of the cases, if you are involved with your club coaching/playing from minor age up, you don't have the time for McKenna Cup games or league games (for definite away games). But these are the good genuine gaels who will lose out. I'd be more afraid of offending and losing them than losing Joe Bloggs who couldnt name his senior club captain.

Just on another note, is it not nigh on time that the GAA sold all their tickets through Ticketmaster or the GAA website. Then everyone has the fair chance.

Maybe, though then you're going to have a kaleidoscope of fans on big days instead of huge crowds from just the 2 counties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 02, 2018, 08:31:33 PM
Cuts out volunteers being robbed with match takings which has happened in the past. Online sales also a very efficient way of payment to hq.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 02, 2018, 08:50:21 PM
mattie donnelly out according to brian mc guigan on twitter!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on August 02, 2018, 10:15:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 02, 2018, 08:50:21 PM
mattie donnelly out according to brian mc guigan on twitter!

heard that, and heard on monday richard donnelly out as well. Micky looked like a bull in the team talk interview, compared to his usual demeanour so there could be fair few changes if its true
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 02, 2018, 10:22:57 PM
Fake news all picked to play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on August 02, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
Richie arguably a bigger loss than matty. The pendulum has swung back in favour of Donegal big time. A huge game for petie. Will they target him as bad as before?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 03, 2018, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
Richie arguably a bigger loss than matty. The pendulum has swung back in favour of Donegal big time. A huge game for petie. Will they target him as bad as before?



If you were managing Donegal would you target him and Sludden??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 03, 2018, 02:23:44 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 03, 2018, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
Richie arguably a bigger loss than matty. The pendulum has swung back in favour of Donegal big time. A huge game for petie. Will they target him as bad as before?



If you were managing Donegal would you target him and Sludden??
That's the problem with Tyrone's one dimensional play, you shut down the big runners and it's a struggle. Of course Bonner will do his homework on it. Harte's obsession with keeping possession of the Ball and not hitting a few Kieran Donaghy s into the square will be Tyrone s Achilles heel going forward. I absolutely believe it would bring a much needed variation to our forward play. Kerry teams have used this tactic for years why can't Harte bloody see this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 03, 2018, 07:24:22 AM
Quote from: redzone on August 02, 2018, 05:52:27 PM
I'd imangine all clubs will look after the loyal volunteers, you can be sure of that.

Clubs will do their best too but Ive heard some clubs only got around 10 tickets to give out, so take out chairman, secretary n maybe 1 or 2 others on the committee then that will still leave many a good gael ticketless!

The problem I have with it is that clubs ask locals to pay membership so you can get tickets for county games, then the County board request clubs to only sell tickets to club members and clubs must supply a membership number with the order for the county board to check they are a valid club member, yet the gaa are happy to sell more online to non members??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on August 03, 2018, 08:34:51 AM
Save your money boys for Croke Park the following sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on August 03, 2018, 11:00:01 AM
Took a drive up by Donegal town yesterday and managed to get myself 3 stand tickets. No shortage of them around Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 03, 2018, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 03, 2018, 02:23:44 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 03, 2018, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
Richie arguably a bigger loss than matty. The pendulum has swung back in favour of Donegal big time. A huge game for petie. Will they target him as bad as before?



If you were managing Donegal would you target him and Sludden??
That's the problem with Tyrone's one dimensional play, you shut down the big runners and it's a struggle. Of course Bonner will do his homework on it. Harte's obsession with keeping possession of the Ball and not hitting a few Kieran Donaghy s into the square will be Tyrone s Achilles heel going forward. I absolutely believe it would bring a much needed variation to our forward play. Kerry teams have used this tactic for years why can't Harte bloody see this?

Were you at the Dublin game? People keep on rattling on about this tactic without observing the evidence objectively. We put in two or three long balls into the FF line in 1st and 2nd half and (open to correction) we got sweet f all out of all of them. You play the hand you're dealt and for us it appears that 80/90% our scores are coming from the running game. We don't have the players for the kicking game. Fair enough use it occasionally to keep the defenders guessing but it's not something we are making hay from at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on August 03, 2018, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: skeog on August 02, 2018, 10:22:57 PM
Fake news all picked to play.

I wouldn't have the same trust in a team sheets these days but in this case I hope your right
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 04, 2018, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2018, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 03, 2018, 02:23:44 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 03, 2018, 12:14:38 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2018, 11:48:40 PM
Richie arguably a bigger loss than matty. The pendulum has swung back in favour of Donegal big time. A huge game for petie. Will they target him as bad as before?



If you were managing Donegal would you target him and Sludden??
That's the problem with Tyrone's one dimensional play, you shut down the big runners and it's a struggle. Of course Bonner will do his homework on it. Harte's obsession with keeping possession of the Ball and not hitting a few Kieran Donaghy s into the square will be Tyrone s Achilles heel going forward. I absolutely believe it would bring a much needed variation to our forward play. Kerry teams have used this tactic for years why can't Harte bloody see this?

Were you at the Dublin game? People keep on rattling on about this tactic without observing the evidence objectively. We put in two or three long balls into the FF line in 1st and 2nd half and (open to correction) we got sweet f all out of all of them. You play the hand you're dealt and for us it appears that 80/90% our scores are coming from the running game. We don't have the players for the kicking game. Fair enough use it occasionally to keep the defenders guessing but it's not something we are making hay from at all.
Yes we are kicking the Ball but it's going down the throat of the Dublin defenders. Kicking for the sake of kicking. I'm talking about having Colm Cavanagh closer to cluxton with a few quality high balls in top. Read what I said!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 05, 2018, 08:31:59 PM
3 more years!! 3 more years!! ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 05, 2018, 08:40:47 PM
As a few of us thought after the Dublin game, if we could get Bradley, mcgeary and especially lee on the field they would give us a lot more of an attacking threat. Add in loughran today and what a second half performance. I'm sure there will be still a few clowns that will still be clutching at straws that we aren't good enough. Roll on the semi. Special mention to Matty Donnelly who went thru the wars out there today. Great scenes after it too with all the photos with the kids and their idols. Brilliant role models
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 05, 2018, 09:19:17 PM
Don't you just love this time of year when all the anti-Tyrone crap comes out even more. Divers, play basketball, cubical etc etc etc. Love to see it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 05, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
Mcnamme let himself down badly after the game with his gestures to the crowd. I'm sure he took plenty of abuse from the crowd but he should take it as a compliment rather than an insult. I'm sure it was something he regrets
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 05, 2018, 10:27:36 PM
Even bigger crime fuzzman pops up on Twitter wearing the green of donegal at the match
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 05, 2018, 11:39:56 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 05, 2018, 09:19:17 PM
Don't you just love this time of year when all the anti-Tyrone crap comes out even more. Divers, play basketball, cubical etc etc etc. Love to see it.

It warms my heart. It's really centred around RTE. Don't see it on sky.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 06, 2018, 04:37:23 AM
Big Colm was unstoppable in the air today but let's just take a moment and reflect on the fact that our best forward since wee Peter has now arrived. All bow to Lee Brennan, the best of it is he didn't play in our performance against Dublin. With a great strength and conditioning coach in Peter Donnelly added to an excellent squad of talent it's time to genuinely believe the Dubs can be toppled. Any word on Meyler?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2018, 04:42:16 AM
Quote from: redzone on August 05, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
Mcnamme let himself down badly after the game with his gestures to the crowd. I'm sure he took plenty of abuse from the crowd but he should take it as a compliment rather than an insult. I'm sure it was something he regrets

He was just saying - we are #1 on the day

(https://s22.postimg.cc/bliutnpe9/IMG_20180805_224829_761.jpg)

And I'm sure he's f**king worried
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 06, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
I'd like to hear the thoughts of South Tyrone Gael.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 06, 2018, 08:13:19 AM
No doubt the Harte bashers on here, who have called for Mickey to go and called for his head constantly.
These mouths will be the first in line looking for tickets for the Final (if we get there).
They will be the first down to Dublin for the final, the first game they  have attended in years.
Or maybe because they are so opposed to him and his style, tactics and play, then they will stay away - doubt it though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 06, 2018, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 06, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
I'd like to hear the thoughts of South Tyrone Gael.

Who???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2018, 08:47:34 AM
I'm just glad we locked Harte into a 3 year contract instesf of a2 year one. Well done the county board on securing that. Hopefully he extends his time when the 3 years are up. We truly have one of the best if not the best manager in Gaelic football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 06, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
I'd like to hear the thoughts of South Tyrone Gael.

It would mean un-ignoring him though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on August 06, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
wasn't rocket science to put a few better players on the field for fellas that most in county would know are not in tyrone's strongest 15. but if he is holding good players back for a strong finish then fair play. its whether you can afford to start that team on sunday against a Dublin in croker and game not be over by time calvary arrives
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Classic STG, fair play to you  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2018, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 06, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
wasn't rocket science to put a few better players on the field for fellas that most in county would know are not in tyrone's strongest 15. but if he is holding good players back for a strong finish then fair play. its whether you can afford to start that team on sunday against a Dublin in croker and game not be over by time calvary arrives

Do you think McGeary can go hammer and tongs like he does for 70mins? Do you know whether Lee's hamstring will last for 70 mins at that pace? Would you prefer to be winning at half time and these lads are beginning to wain or be in touch and throwing them with 20 mins to go to wreak havoc? It's all part of the game these days, the days of a 15 man game are over, it's a 20 man game and Mickey is using his players well at the minute. With all due respect, your opinion based on a game every couple of weeks is not convincing compared to Mickey and the management who are watching these guys 4/5 days a week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.
great tactical performance from mh because he threw on a few subs in a game we were playing average in and losing by 4 points? Any half ass manager would do the same. Some people really will bend over backwards to praise harte. IL never be one of them!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 06, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
I'd like to hear the thoughts of South Tyrone Gael.
this must be a first on here.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on August 06, 2018, 11:19:23 AM
People slagging Coly Cav in previous messages should delete themselves now!

I slated mickey after the monaghan game but hats off tyrone done something yesterday i haven't seen in a long time with that comeback. Young lads seem to really be growing in confidence and have a steel about them.

Is it the case that mickeys tactic is to hold back and stay in the game then unleash hell in the second half? it must be. If so then mc  geary as ahrd on him as it is is the key to that.

For me brennan has to start though.

Well done to them all and I think we will scrape past monaghan in the semi
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 06, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
I said at half time yesterday.  Mickey has 35mins to save his job or I would have expected him to follow Eamon Fitzmaurice and stand down.  I wanted a change at the top but always vowed to follow team through thick and thin then review at the end of the year.  The substitutions in the 2nd half changed the game. 

There is still an expectation to beat Monaghan.  Tyrone have some opportunity here. Then against Dublin we will be up against it 70 minutes we will require the run of the ball. (This Dublin team are the best I've ever seen.)

Colly Cav is a class act, always has been.  Delighted with the 2nd half yesterday. 

Roll on next Sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 06, 2018, 11:42:58 AM
What ever you say about him - it certainly was a great tactical performance yesterday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 11:52:04 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.
great tactical performance from mh because he threw on a few subs in a game we were playing average in and losing by 4 points? Any half ass manager would do the same. Some people really will bend over backwards to praise harte. IL never be one of them!

Was it not more that he picked a team and set up to stay in touching distance and then unleash the calavry at the right time to rack up 2-17?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2018, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 11:52:04 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.
great tactical performance from mh because he threw on a few subs in a game we were playing average in and losing by 4 points? Any half ass manager would do the same. Some people really will bend over backwards to praise harte. IL never be one of them!

Was it not more that he picked a team and set up to stay in touching distance and then unleash the calavry at the right time to rack up 2-17?

Tyrone's full on high pressure running style can't be maintained for 70 mins, so your absolutely right. Absorb pressure for 45 mins, keep up in touch and let rip. Donegal had no answer when Tyrone cranked up the pressure, Dublin very nearly didn't cope either. The key is having your best 15 on the pitch for the final 20/25 mins.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 12:18:43 PM
donegal were prob the better team for 60 mins yesterday but couldnt sustain the fitness levels required. we are prob 2 or 3 yrs ahead of them in terms of conditioning so again well done to peter donnelly, the real star on the sidelines yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 06, 2018, 12:21:26 PM
no they weren't. don't talk shite
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 12:23:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 12:18:43 PM
donegal were prob the better team for 60 mins yesterday but couldnt sustain the fitness levels required. we are prob 2 or 3 yrs ahead of them in terms of conditioning so again well done to peter donnelly, the real star on the sidelines yesterday.

He almost caught a couple of kickouts too.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 06, 2018, 12:21:26 PM
no they weren't. don't talk shite
well they were still ahead on 60 mins so...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 12:23:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 12:18:43 PM
donegal were prob the better team for 60 mins yesterday but couldnt sustain the fitness levels required. we are prob 2 or 3 yrs ahead of them in terms of conditioning so again well done to peter donnelly, the real star on the sidelines yesterday.

He almost caught a couple of kickouts too.
just a good all rounder and a great fella. and to think some people were blaming him for the dublin defeat last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 06, 2018, 12:53:53 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 06, 2018, 11:19:23 AM
People slagging Coly Cav in previous messages should delete themselves now!

I slated mickey after the monaghan game but hats off tyrone done something yesterday i haven't seen in a long time with that comeback. Young lads seem to really be growing in confidence and have a steel about them.

Is it the case that mickeys tactic is to hold back and stay in the game then unleash hell in the second half? it must be. If so then mc  geary as ahrd on him as it is is the key to that.

For me brennan has to start though.

Well done to them all and I think we will scrape past monaghan in the semi

I actually think there isa stronger case for McGeary to start with Brennan coming off the bench again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 06, 2018, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 12:18:43 PM
donegal were prob the better team for 60 mins yesterday but couldnt sustain the fitness levels required. we are prob 2 or 3 yrs ahead of them in terms of conditioning so again well done to peter donnelly, the real star on the sidelines yesterday.

People seem to be overlooking the fact that Tyrone gift wrapped the goal for Donegal. Tyrone were far the better team up until the 32 min or so. Only for poor shooting (again) they would have been 3-4 points up at half time. Sums up Donegal's season- people thinking they are better than the actually are. Donegal have the making of a very good side but facts are they got relegated from Div 1, won the easiest ulster for years and lost a 4 point lead in the 2nd half against Tyrone. Donegal will be a better side next year I reckon but they have been a bit overhyped this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 06, 2018, 01:14:26 PM
Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley played v Monaghan first round of ulster they were poor enough K McGeary played last 25 will also poor enough..... i think v DUBLIN we stumbled across something with 5 minutes to go when we where 7 behind out off pure necessity off giving it a lash.... but who cares how we got it as long as it happens.... yesterday for 45 minutes it was same old crap....then we go 4/5 behind game going away from us then bang we unleashed the hounds again same result dominate the game from then on...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 06, 2018, 01:48:17 PM
Here is where I am now. Would have been very disappointing to get beaten by a Donegal team minus McBrearty and for 50 mins Tyrone did not play very well. The last 20 mins were very good and it was a comfortable win in the end. I do believe that the plan was to have a strong finish so credit the management for that.
The semi final is a massive opportunity for both counties and if they were not playing Tyrone you would love Monaghan to reach a final. They are a good side and in the likes of Beggan, McManus, Darren Hughes, Colin Walshe and Karl O'Connell have players who are more than a match for Tyrone. Do they have enough players to cope with Tyrone in the last 20 mins? I think they have an astute management and will have a plan in place.
I think both teams will be better than they were in May. Arguably Monaghan have been better in the super 8's, beating a good Kildare team, drawing with Kerry after being the better team and convincingly putting a Galway side (were they trying) away in Salthill. Walshe is in much better form than in May, McManus too and they have good momentum. They really play as a team and will match Tyrone for workrate.
Tyrone hammered Roscommon (who didn't), played a good game against Dublin and finished very strongly yesterday. Big positives were the form of main men like Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly but Sludden and McAliskey were poor. Will need them to bounce back to form next week.
It is easy to say that Tyrone always beat Monaghan at this stage or that they will have a mental advantage given the May game but I really think this game could go either way. If Monaghan get into a similar position to Donegal yesterday i.e. 4 up with 20 to go, I think Tyrone will find it much more difficult to turn it around. Monaghan have a better defensive set up and are good on the counter attack.
If Tyrone are 2 or 3 ahead with 20 to go I think they will go and win a bit like yesterday. So the question for me is, what team do we think Tyrone will start to ensure that they are in a good position with 20 to go?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 06, 2018, 05:16:01 PM
Donegal were the best team for about 15 minutes out of the 85 minutes played.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 06, 2018, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 06, 2018, 01:14:26 PM
Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley played v Monaghan first round of ulster they were poor enough K McGeary played last 25 will also poor enough..... i think v DUBLIN we stumbled across something with 5 minutes to go when we where 7 behind out off pure necessity off giving it a lash.... but who cares how we got it as long as it happens.... yesterday for 45 minutes it was same old crap....then we go 4/5 behind game going away from us then bang we unleashed the hounds again same result dominate the game from then on...

Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley played well against monaghan. Tyrone were a few points in front  when they were on the field. Think none of them last more than 30 minutes due to injury.  Then colm was taken off at half time.

This will be a tight game but I reckon Tyrone may just edge it. If not I will be cheering for monaghan in the final. Truth be told I can't see Dublin losing this year regardless if it's Tyrone or monaghan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on August 06, 2018, 10:04:15 PM
Thought Tyrone where in control for most of the game, but when a few easy frees went wide and Morgans brain fart on the kickout - the momentum completely swung to Donegal and didn't change really until MacNiallais went off and the Murphy misses and then Tyrone ran them out the gate. The only concerns are the free kicks that lose us momentum, McNamee - very easily turned when one on one, McShane, his athleticism covers for alot of headless frustrating play and would rather McClure in there. Peter Harte, McGeary, Cavanagh and hampsey where unbelievable fantastic to watch that effort and character away from home. Tyrone by 4+
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 06, 2018, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2018, 08:13:19 AM
No doubt the Harte bashers on here, who have called for Mickey to go and called for his head constantly.
These mouths will be the first in line looking for tickets for the Final (if we get there).
They will be the first down to Dublin for the final, the first game they  have attended in years.
Or maybe because they are so opposed to him and his style, tactics and play, then they will stay away - doubt it though.
Love Tyrone hate Harte. IL never give him credit. That ok princess?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 11:04:40 PM
You'd have to wonder how someone could be so far gone as to hate a football manager. What has he done to you that has caused such a vitriolic feeling towards him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 11:04:40 PM
You'd have to wonder how someone could be so far gone as to hate a football manager. What has he done to you that has caused such a vitriolic feeling towards him?
not so sure its harte the football manager people hate. prob more harte the man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 07, 2018, 12:22:36 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 11:04:40 PM
You'd have to wonder how someone could be so far gone as to hate a football manager. What has he done to you that has caused such a vitriolic feeling towards him?
not so sure its harte the football manager people hate. prob more harte the man.

That's fecking worse. What has Harte done to you lads that would lead you to hate the man? Holy sweet feck you need to get out a bit more.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on August 07, 2018, 03:09:22 AM
Not from Tyrone so I'm from the outside looking in. Not from the inside looking out. So probably have a different perspective. I suppose my interest in Tyrone started more in earnest that fateful day in June 1997 when Paul McGirr died after an accidental clash in the Ulster minor championship. Surprisingly not a lot said of his death at that time  But I started to follow them closely for the rest of the championship unfortunately they lost the final. That following year they finally went the whole way. I celebrated like it was my own County won.

Paul was not only coached by Mickey he was from the same club playing along side his son. After the 97 loss it was a young Stephen O Neill who convinced him to stay on. Who would believe the career that man was going to have.

After that, that was it I started to learn about players their clubs what they worked at schools they attended their training routines ect I also took a keen interest in Mickey Harte himself. I enjoyed listening to his philosophies of the sport his approach and how serious he really took it. The great lengths he went to making sure all angles were covered. I believe he was way a head of his time in this respect.

Then there is the other side of Harte I liked. He was  a non drinker and didn't smoke and was very family orientated. I'm the same way.

I hurled with boys from Waterford who told me they enjoyed watching Tyrone play.

I sat down Sunday past to watch the telecast of the big game in Ballybofey.  An unlikely Harte supporter and good friend was there with me. A 98 year old IRA Limerick man who was jailed by freestaters stuck in the Curragh between 1940 to 1944.  He watched his first all Ireland in the 30s. He told me he was a huge fan of Harte. Talked a lot about Michela and kept looking for tv shots of Mickey to see if he looked ok. He really took it bad what happened to Michela. 

Only met Mickey once in my life and it was a enjoyable experience. Was with a couple of friends who were characters and the craic was good. God knows the man has faults like the rest of us I just don't see to many in him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2018, 08:10:22 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2018, 12:22:36 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 11:04:40 PM
You'd have to wonder how someone could be so far gone as to hate a football manager. What has he done to you that has caused such a vitriolic feeling towards him?
not so sure its harte the football manager people hate. prob more harte the man.

That's fecking worse. What has Harte done to you lads that would lead you to hate the man? Holy sweet feck you need to get out a bit more.

Overlooked him when doing call ups. It's the only explanation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on August 07, 2018, 09:30:00 AM
That's fecking worse. What has Harte done to you lads that would lead you to hate the man? Holy sweet feck you need to get out a bit more.
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Overlooked him when doing call ups. It's the only explanation.
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Naw nothing to do with call ups. Think his grievance more comes down to the fact that his namesake and fellow clubmann lost the Tyrone job in 2002 along with big art and now his hatred of mickey harte has spiralled out of control.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on August 07, 2018, 01:25:24 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on August 07, 2018, 03:09:22 AM
Not from Tyrone so I'm from the outside looking in. Not from the inside looking out. So probably have a different perspective. I suppose my interest in Tyrone started more in earnest that fateful day in June 1997 when Paul McGirr died after an accidental clash in the Ulster minor championship. Surprisingly not a lot said of his death at that time  But I started to follow them closely for the rest of the championship unfortunately they lost the final. That following year they finally went the whole way. I celebrated like it was my own County won.

Paul was not only coached by Mickey he was from the same club playing along side his son. After the 97 loss it was a young Stephen O Neill who convinced him to stay on. Who would believe the career that man was going to have.

After that, that was it I started to learn about players their clubs what they worked at schools they attended their training routines ect I also took a keen interest in Mickey Harte himself. I enjoyed listening to his philosophies of the sport his approach and how serious he really took it. The great lengths he went to making sure all angles were covered. I believe he was way a head of his time in this respect.

Then there is the other side of Harte I liked. He was  a non drinker and didn't smoke and was very family orientated. I'm the same way.

I hurled with boys from Waterford who told me they enjoyed watching Tyrone play.

I sat down Sunday past to watch the telecast of the big game in Ballybofey.  An unlikely Harte supporter and good friend was there with me. A 98 year old IRA Limerick man who was jailed by freestaters stuck in the Curragh between 1940 to 1944.  He watched his first all Ireland in the 30s. He told me he was a huge fan of Harte. Talked a lot about Michela and kept looking for tv shots of Mickey to see if he looked ok. He really took it bad what happened to Michela. 

Only met Mickey once in my life and it was a enjoyable experience. Was with a couple of friends who were characters and the craic was good. God knows the man has faults like the rest of us I just don't see to many in him.

FYI Paul wasn't from the same club as Micky, his brother was but Paul played for Dromore and would have been on the same underage teams as Ricey and Colm McCullagh although he was a couple of years younger. His memory is kept alive by the Dromore club with what is one of the best underage tournaments in the GAA and via the 'Spirit of Paul McGirr Trust' which is a wonderful charity doing some superb work for disabled and under privileged children in Lusaka, Zambia. There is a group of 15 girls all aged 17/18 from the Loreto Convent in Omagh going out to Lusaka in October to build a new classroom at the complex the charity built out there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 07, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on August 07, 2018, 03:09:22 AM
Not from Tyrone so I'm from the outside looking in. Not from the inside looking out. So probably have a different perspective. I suppose my interest in Tyrone started more in earnest that fateful day in June 1997 when Paul McGirr died after an accidental clash in the Ulster minor championship. Surprisingly not a lot said of his death at that time  But I started to follow them closely for the rest of the championship unfortunately they lost the final. That following year they finally went the whole way. I celebrated like it was my own County won.

Paul was not only coached by Mickey he was from the same club playing along side his son. After the 97 loss it was a young Stephen O Neill who convinced him to stay on. Who would believe the career that man was going to have.

After that, that was it I started to learn about players their clubs what they worked at schools they attended their training routines ect I also took a keen interest in Mickey Harte himself. I enjoyed listening to his philosophies of the sport his approach and how serious he really took it. The great lengths he went to making sure all angles were covered. I believe he was way a head of his time in this respect.

Then there is the other side of Harte I liked. He was  a non drinker and didn't smoke and was very family orientated. I'm the same way.

I hurled with boys from Waterford who told me they enjoyed watching Tyrone play.

I sat down Sunday past to watch the telecast of the big game in Ballybofey.  An unlikely Harte supporter and good friend was there with me. A 98 year old IRA Limerick man who was jailed by freestaters stuck in the Curragh between 1940 to 1944.  He watched his first all Ireland in the 30s. He told me he was a huge fan of Harte. Talked a lot about Michela and kept looking for tv shots of Mickey to see if he looked ok. He really took it bad what happened to Michela. 

Only met Mickey once in my life and it was a enjoyable experience. Was with a couple of friends who were characters and the craic was good. God knows the man has faults like the rest of us I just don't see to many in him.

Great post - I have been a critic of Harte in the past (hopefully objectively) but I can't argue with any of the above.

If Mickey can deliver this all ireland I hope everyone can just forget everything i've said :D in the past because it would be his greatest achievement. Looks like he's enjoying the role from the scenes in Ballybofey! More power -keep her lit Beard!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: randomusername on August 07, 2018, 08:47:18 PM
If people don't like Mickey Harte, they're entitled to their opinion and there's plenty of Tyrone fans who feel he's stayed on too long.

But what really bothers me is the utterly toxic nonsense posted at the beginning of the season by a certain poster about Tyrone footballers. According to him, three players, whom I won't bother naming, had all jumped ship, and each and every post on that theme turned out to be unfabricated nonsense. At least treat the players with a bit of common decency.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 07, 2018, 09:50:54 PM
Quote from: randomusername on August 07, 2018, 08:47:18 PM
If people don't like Mickey Harte, they're entitled to their opinion and there's plenty of Tyrone fans who feel he's stayed on too long.

But what really bothers me is the utterly toxic nonsense posted at the beginning of the season by a certain poster about Tyrone footballers. According to him, three players, whom I won't bother naming, had all jumped ship, and each and every post on that theme turned out to be unfabricated nonsense. At least treat the players with a bit of common decency.

If STG has a dislike of Harte its his prerogative is it not? If we were clubmen of men who in their eyes had been shafted then perhaps we'd feel the same way.

Harte certainly has opinions on things outside of GAA which could sour a person's opinion of him. But other than that, to see how he has dealt with a lot of unfortunate incidents down through the years is completely unprecedented in the GAA. Paul McGirr , Cormac and then his own daughter. I'm no big fan of religion, but to go through all them ordeals and to still have a strong unwavering faith is something else.

Maybe Monaghan beat us and Harte resigns, who knows but it will never be taken from him that he led us to 3 All-irelands in 6 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 07, 2018, 09:57:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

I used to think you were a wind up but it's become obvious who you are and this crap deserves challenged. On the one hand you want to heap absolute criticism on Mickey harte for any defeats or things that go wrong. And then when things go right you say it's down to the players and peter Donnelly. Surely any man with a bit of sense can realise how stupid this is.

Eugene McKenna was a fantastic player and a great servant to Tyrone. Perhaps things weren't handled 100 hundred per cent perfectly in autumn 2002 but given Tyrone won the all Ireland the next year no one can question harte's appointment.

Mickey harte has won and done so much for this county and deserves far more respect from many people than he gets. He has continued to deliver teams capable of competing at the very top year on year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 07, 2018, 10:31:53 PM
Bringing personal grievances about Harte into a GAA forum and dressing it up as comments on his contribution to Tyrone GAA and ability as a football manager is just cowardly. Most people here want to discuss football matters but many's a debate has ended up in a few lads throwing personal abuse at  the manager. I blocked STG a few weeks ago but still see his posts on those who quote him. He's admitted that it's not about Harte the manager, it is about Harte the man - well I personally couldn't give a flying fcuk what anyone's personal views on people are. This is a football thread and not a bitching thread...Hartes decisions have been criticised here and rightly so by the more logical posters and debate on that is great. However some of the personal stuff just has no place on a county gaa forum and thankfully it's died down as Mickey once again has managed to silence alot of the critics.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on August 07, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2018, 10:31:53 PM
Bringing personal grievances about Harte into a GAA forum and dressing it up as comments on his contribution to Tyrone GAA and ability as a football manager is just cowardly. Most people here want to discuss football matters but many's a debate has ended up in a few lads throwing personal abuse at  the manager. I blocked STG a few weeks ago but still see his posts on those who quote him. He's admitted that it's not about Harte the manager, it is about Harte the man - well I personally couldn't give a flying fcuk what anyone's personal views on people are. This is a football thread and not a bitching thread...Hartes decisions have been criticised here and rightly so by the more logical posters and debate on that is great. However some of the personal stuff just has no place on a county gaa forum and thankfully it's died down as Mickey once again has managed to silence alot of the critics.
You can sum it all up in 3 words.  East Tyrone Jealousy!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2018, 11:23:16 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 07, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2018, 10:31:53 PM
Bringing personal grievances about Harte into a GAA forum and dressing it up as comments on his contribution to Tyrone GAA and ability as a football manager is just cowardly. Most people here want to discuss football matters but many's a debate has ended up in a few lads throwing personal abuse at  the manager. I blocked STG a few weeks ago but still see his posts on those who quote him. He's admitted that it's not about Harte the manager, it is about Harte the man - well I personally couldn't give a flying fcuk what anyone's personal views on people are. This is a football thread and not a bitching thread...Hartes decisions have been criticised here and rightly so by the more logical posters and debate on that is great. However some of the personal stuff just has no place on a county gaa forum and thankfully it's died down as Mickey once again has managed to silence alot of the critics.
You can sum it all up in 3 words.  East Tyrone Jealousy!

Nothing to do with the West v east thing. I'm from the East and I couldn't be a bigger admirer of the man, as many of us down in the lowlands are!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 07, 2018, 11:28:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2018, 11:23:16 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 07, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2018, 10:31:53 PM
Bringing personal grievances about Harte into a GAA forum and dressing it up as comments on his contribution to Tyrone GAA and ability as a football manager is just cowardly. Most people here want to discuss football matters but many's a debate has ended up in a few lads throwing personal abuse at  the manager. I blocked STG a few weeks ago but still see his posts on those who quote him. He's admitted that it's not about Harte the manager, it is about Harte the man - well I personally couldn't give a flying fcuk what anyone's personal views on people are. This is a football thread and not a bitching thread...Hartes decisions have been criticised here and rightly so by the more logical posters and debate on that is great. However some of the personal stuff just has no place on a county gaa forum and thankfully it's died down as Mickey once again has managed to silence alot of the critics.
You can sum it all up in 3 words.  East Tyrone Jealousy!

Nothing to do with the West v east thing. I'm from the East and I couldn't be a bigger admirer of the man, as many of us down in the lowlands are!

There's alot of us from down in East Tyrone and believe me it doesn't come into it. We like to see the county doing well. If everyone has worked out who STG is then grow a set and name him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 08, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
Harte loyalists out in force this weather after beating Dublin and winning our fourth All Ireland! ... Oh wait a minute.. Firstly I don't give too F#cks if someone named me on here or not, I mean whats gonna happen? Anyway on to Harte. Firstly I was happy to see him get the job back in 02 because he did deserve it after all the underage success. Eugene Mckenna did bring Tyrone their first National title and was unfortunate for him not to stay but Mickey was the lucky one to get it. Never once up until 2010 did I question him in the job. After cork in 2009 I said we will give it one more year Mickey and then the job should be given to someone else. Of course Harte was never gonna walk away cos the Tyrone senior job is far too prestigious and this would be like handing over my beautiful girlfriend to another man. That's unfortunately the mentality we have to deal with since 2011 were power and control is all consuming. Sure enough Mickeys hung in there and may have the talent now to win another one. We will see.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 08, 2018, 07:44:59 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 01:29:53 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2018, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

How many Tyrone people told you that they wanted Tyrone beaten on Saturday?

Dunno maybe 8 or 9 and many more who said they couldn't care less
.

8 or 9. Lol you made it sound a lot more you twit.   And they all formed an orderly queue to tell you this did they ?
IL be hoping for a Meath win on Saturday. Let's just call it tough love.

Let's take a moment to enjoy this quote from theBigDog. Do you hope we get beaten this Sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2018, 07:55:12 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2018, 07:44:59 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on June 05, 2018, 01:29:53 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 05, 2018, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 05, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 04, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
I am taken aback by the amount of people from Tyrone who want them beat on Saturday and as many who couldn't care less if they win or not. Is anyone else finding that?

How many Tyrone people told you that they wanted Tyrone beaten on Saturday?

Dunno maybe 8 or 9 and many more who said they couldn't care less
.

8 or 9. Lol you made it sound a lot more you twit.   And they all formed an orderly queue to tell you this did they ?
IL be hoping for a Meath win on Saturday. Let's just call it tough love.

Let's take a moment to enjoy this quote from theBigDog. Do you hope we get beaten this Sunday?

No he'll be scuttling to his club this week to ask for a lower hogan ticket because it's starting to get to the serious end of the championship. Big Tyrone man he is!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 08, 2018, 08:13:28 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 08, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
Harte loyalists out in force this weather after beating Dublin and winning our fourth All Ireland! ... Oh wait a minute.. Firstly I don't give too F#cks if someone named me on here or not, I mean whats gonna happen? Anyway on to Harte. Firstly I was happy to see him get the job back in 02 because he did deserve it after all the underage success. Eugene Mckenna did bring Tyrone their first National title and was unfortunate for him not to stay but Mickey was the lucky one to get it. Never once up until 2010 did I question him in the job. After cork in 2009 I said we will give it one more year Mickey and then the job should be given to someone else. Of course Harte was never gonna walk away cos the Tyrone senior job is far too prestigious and this would be like handing over my beautiful girlfriend to another man. That's unfortunately the mentality we have to deal with since 2011 were power and control is all consuming. Sure enough Mickeys hung in there and may have the talent now to win another one. We will see.

Did you get your accounts mixed up and think you were logging in as Southtyronegael? Why do you need two accounts to say the same things anyway?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on August 08, 2018, 09:37:14 AM
Lmao.. STG finally catches himself out and replies with his other account thebigdog. He was actually replying to himself earlier on in the year  :'(.

I see teamtalkmag are reporting meyler on crutches l night. Will miss his workrate on Sunday if not available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on August 08, 2018, 10:05:18 AM
Right lads leave STG to it, he will no doubt be back in force if we get beat sunday or the final. I think its fairly established himself and a few others are absolute clowns who take it too far!

I questioned mickey after the monaghan game as same mistakes seemed to be happening. But he deserves plenty of credit for where he has got us.

Looking forward to Sunday, it feels very surreal to be in an AI semi so soon!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 08, 2018, 10:20:11 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 08, 2018, 10:05:18 AM
Right lads leave STG to it, he will no doubt be back in force if we get beat sunday or the final. I think its fairly established himself and a few others are absolute clowns who take it too far!

I questioned mickey after the monaghan game as same mistakes seemed to be happening. But he deserves plenty of credit for where he has got us.

Looking forward to Sunday, it feels very surreal to be in an AI semi so soon!


I feel the same so far in the championship We have failed one major test v Monaghan.... we expected to win all the rest of the qualifier games and we did, we expected to beat Roscommon and Get beat by Dublin and this happened.....Next big Major test v Donegal we passed with some ease at the finish up.....So all in so far after Monaghan defeat we would have took your arm off to be in the Semi Final on Sunday so i am happy enough... I have said all along,If we dont get to the All Ireland final if we avoid Dublin it would be very disappointing.... So Sunday is a big day for all concerned and i think we have improved enough to win!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 08, 2018, 11:26:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 08, 2018, 08:13:28 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 08, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
Harte loyalists out in force this weather after beating Dublin and winning our fourth All Ireland! ... Oh wait a minute.. Firstly I don't give too F#cks if someone named me on here or not, I mean whats gonna happen? Anyway on to Harte. Firstly I was happy to see him get the job back in 02 because he did deserve it after all the underage success. Eugene Mckenna did bring Tyrone their first National title and was unfortunate for him not to stay but Mickey was the lucky one to get it. Never once up until 2010 did I question him in the job. After cork in 2009 I said we will give it one more year Mickey and then the job should be given to someone else. Of course Harte was never gonna walk away cos the Tyrone senior job is far too prestigious and this would be like handing over my beautiful girlfriend to another man. That's unfortunately the mentality we have to deal with since 2011 were power and control is all consuming. Sure enough Mickeys hung in there and may have the talent now to win another one. We will see.

Did you get your accounts mixed up and think you were logging in as Southtyronegael? Why do you need two accounts to say the same things anyway?

  ;D ;D ;DTotal clown is STG/TBD
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on August 08, 2018, 10:05:50 PM
Interesting to see what lads think the matchups will be this weekend? Who is your replacement for Meyler (if unavailable). One worrying aspect is how badly cleaned out around the middle we were in HP. Do we bring a bigger man in there to try and stifle the Monagahn kickout? I am also of the belief that Beggan can be got at. He has had a fantastic year, however I think he is flaky. Both his shot stopping and comfort under the high ball are average IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 08, 2018, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.
great tactical performance from mh because he threw on a few subs in a game we were playing average in and losing by 4 points? Any half ass manager would do the same. Some people really will bend over backwards to praise harte. IL never be one of them!

Quote from: Thebigdog on August 06, 2018, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2018, 08:13:19 AM
No doubt the Harte bashers on here, who have called for Mickey to go and called for his head constantly.
These mouths will be the first in line looking for tickets for the Final (if we get there).
They will be the first down to Dublin for the final, the first game they  have attended in years.
Or maybe because they are so opposed to him and his style, tactics and play, then they will stay away - doubt it though.
Love Tyrone hate Harte. IL never give him credit. That ok princess?

::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 08, 2018, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.
great tactical performance from mh because he threw on a few subs in a game we were playing average in and losing by 4 points? Any half ass manager would do the same. Some people really will bend over backwards to praise harte. IL never be one of them!

Quote from: Thebigdog on August 06, 2018, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2018, 08:13:19 AM
No doubt the Harte bashers on here, who have called for Mickey to go and called for his head constantly.
These mouths will be the first in line looking for tickets for the Final (if we get there).
They will be the first down to Dublin for the final, the first game they  have attended in years.
Or maybe because they are so opposed to him and his style, tactics and play, then they will stay away - doubt it though.
Love Tyrone hate Harte. IL never give him credit. That ok princess?

::)

My god. It all makes sense!!!!

And he would have got away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky kids.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 08, 2018, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 08, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 08, 2018, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 06, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 06, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
lads lets be honest about it. harte has stumbled through this championship. the players deserve all the credit and in reality its the great work done by peter donnelly that has us in the semi. we still dont have a single trophy so show for our efforts this year but at least we are in with a chance of the big one. i have every faith that we have the players to do it. thought we were bang average yesterday though until mickeys favourite player lee brennan came on and totally changed the game. also special mention to colly cavanagh, amazing performance.

Did MH not get it spot on with the timing of the subs that won us the game?

Great tactical performance from MH yesterday it has to be said.
great tactical performance from mh because he threw on a few subs in a game we were playing average in and losing by 4 points? Any half ass manager would do the same. Some people really will bend over backwards to praise harte. IL never be one of them!

Quote from: Thebigdog on August 06, 2018, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2018, 08:13:19 AM
No doubt the Harte bashers on here, who have called for Mickey to go and called for his head constantly.
These mouths will be the first in line looking for tickets for the Final (if we get there).
They will be the first down to Dublin for the final, the first game they  have attended in years.
Or maybe because they are so opposed to him and his style, tactics and play, then they will stay away - doubt it though.
Love Tyrone hate Harte. IL never give him credit. That ok princess?

::)

My god. It all makes sense!!!!

And he would have got away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky kids.

It was fairly obvious to most. Pretty sad thing to do, replying to yourself on a Internet forum.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 09, 2018, 12:19:54 AM
you know whats sad? fuckwits on here putting 2 and 2 together and gettin 5. any wonder every other county thinks current tyrone fans are a crowd of pukes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 09, 2018, 12:42:54 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 09, 2018, 12:19:54 AM
you know whats sad? fuckwits on here putting 2 and 2 together and gettin 5. any wonder every other county thinks current tyrone fans are a crowd of pukes.

Forget it. You've been sussed. What a ganch you are!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 09, 2018, 10:23:13 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 09, 2018, 12:19:54 AM
you know whats sad? fuckwits on here putting 2 and 2 together and gettin 5. any wonder every other county thinks current tyrone fans are a crowd of pukes.

STG, to be fair that's a worse own goal than Colm Boyle in an AI final!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 09, 2018, 12:43:11 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 08, 2018, 10:05:50 PM
Interesting to see what lads think the matchups will be this weekend? Who is your replacement for Meyler (if unavailable). One worrying aspect is how badly cleaned out around the middle we were in HP. Do we bring a bigger man in there to try and stifle the Monagahn kickout? I am also of the belief that Beggan can be got at. He has had a fantastic year, however I think he is flaky. Both his shot stopping and comfort under the high ball are average IMO.

I think McGeary will have to come in for Meyler, the rumour is that Meyler has broke his leg which is a huge blow to Tyrone and more importantly his club Omagh who will suffer the most!
Tyrone imo will have to get into the faces of Monaghan if they want a certain win as, just like the way Fermanagh did, if you just play football with them then you can expect a great game of football buy they will be more difficult to beat!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on August 09, 2018, 01:25:03 PM
Meyler has chipped a bone in the foot or leg apparently so that'll be him done for the season you'd imagine. Big call as to who replaces him. You could put in McClure around the middle (presumably McClure next in line if McNulty not getting a look in) or alternatively keep in Rory Brennan and push up harte into half forward line. If i was a betting man i think that's what he'll do.
I think it's important to keep mcgeary and lee brennan in reserve, far rather have them coming on for last 20 than mcshane or r donnelly. seems mad to keep your better players on the bench but that's modern football and it's all about game management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 09, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
It's definitely not modern football to keep your best players on the bench, can't think of to many teams that do it. Lee has to start. I think Rory Brennan will pick u Karl O'Connell. If Harte sticks with skeet and richy McKernan could be very unfortunate and miss out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2018, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 09, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
It's definitely not modern football to keep your best players on the bench, can't think of to many teams that do it. Lee has to start. I think Rory Brennan will pick u Karl O'Connell. If Harte sticks with skeet and richy McKernan could be very unfortunate and miss out

It's not about leaving you best players on the bench. It's about having your best team on the pitch, flying, when the game is in the melting pot. McGeary's all action style may not suit 70 mins, I also think (and could be wrong here) that he's been travelling to uni in England or Scotland so maybe his fitness just isn't at the level of others for the lung bursting role he plays. I know I'd rather have him coming in with 25 mins to go and emptying the tank rather than blowing up after 50mins. With regards, Lee Brennan, he's just coming back from injury, again, can he last 70 mins? Are you prepared to be subbing him after 55mins with the game there to be won? I just don't think bringing Skeet, McShane or Ritchie D will give us the same boost but they are steady players to ensure the game is tight if started. It's a tough call for the management but it's not as simple as just picking your best 15 to start and leave them there for 70 mins. Mickey may have stumbled on this tactic rather then by design but if we know we can push on in the final 20 rather than fading then I think that's a great bonus.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on August 09, 2018, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on August 09, 2018, 01:25:03 PM
Meyler has chipped a bone in the foot or leg apparently so that'll be him done for the season you'd imagine. Big call as to who replaces him. You could put in McClure around the middle (presumably McClure next in line if McNulty not getting a look in) or alternatively keep in Rory Brennan and push up harte into half forward line. If i was a betting man i think that's what he'll do.
I think it's important to keep mcgeary and lee brennan in reserve, far rather have them coming on for last 20 than mcshane or r donnelly. seems mad to keep your better players on the bench but that's modern football and it's all about game management.
Would like to see Brennan in from the start purely for frees, don't think he is as much an "impact" player as McGeary
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 09, 2018, 09:15:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2018, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 09, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
It's definitely not modern football to keep your best players on the bench, can't think of to many teams that do it. Lee has to start. I think Rory Brennan will pick u Karl O'Connell. If Harte sticks with skeet and richy McKernan could be very unfortunate and miss out

It's not about leaving you best players on the bench. It's about having your best team on the pitch, flying, when the game is in the melting pot. McGeary's all action style may not suit 70 mins, I also think (and could be wrong here) that he's been travelling to uni in England or Scotland so maybe his fitness just isn't at the level of others for the lung bursting role he plays. I know I'd rather have him coming in with 25 mins to go and emptying the tank rather than blowing up after 50mins. With regards, Lee Brennan, he's just coming back from injury, again, can he last 70 mins? Are you prepared to be subbing him after 55mins with the game there to be won? I just don't think bringing Skeet, McShane or Ritchie D will give us the same boost but they are steady players to ensure the game is tight if started. It's a tough call for the management but it's not as simple as just picking your best 15 to start and leave them there for 70 mins. Mickey may have stumbled on this tactic rather then by design but if we know we can push on in the final 20 rather than fading then I think that's a great bonus.
Hard to know what to do that's for sure. If he made the subs at half time then maybe I'd have more belief in what he's doing. If donegal had of got a goal after half time I'd say they would have been damn hard to pull back. There is definitely 70 mins in mcgeary and Brennan. We have one foot in the final (so have Monaghan) and we need to attack the game from the start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on August 09, 2018, 10:37:39 PM
1. Niall Morgan
2. Michael McKernan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Rory Brennan
5. Tiernan McCann
6. Frank Burns
7. Peter Harte
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Padraig Hampsey
10. Mattie Donnelly
11. Niall Sludden
12. Cathal McShane
13. Mark Bradley
14. Richie Donnelly
15. Conor McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 10, 2018, 06:26:53 AM
Team as expected and rightly so. Conor McCalliskey and Peter Harte have to step it up from last week these two are the more experienced two along with the others who are do ing their bit Donnelly, Cavanagh, McCann, McNamee. I don't think some of these Monaghan players will have experienced or be ready for the intensity that an All Ireland semi final brings. Tyrone by 6-8 points. Come on!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 10, 2018, 06:45:51 AM
At least this time we know o Connell won't be left free unlike omagh, so if we can stop him and McManus then that's the danger. Mcanespie caused us a lot of bother as well but whether he can be man marked trains to be seen
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: redzone on August 10, 2018, 06:45:51 AM
At least this time we know o Connell won't be left free unlike omagh, so if we can stop him and McManus then that's the danger. Mcanespie caused us a lot of bother as well but whether he can be man marked trains to be seen

O Connell got a free reign the last day because we were too focused on you know who. That won't happen this time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on August 10, 2018, 09:56:17 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 10, 2018, 06:26:53 AM
Team as expected and rightly so. Conor McCalliskey and Peter Harte have to step it up from last week these two are the more experienced two along with the others who are do ing their bit Donnelly, Cavanagh, McCann, McNamee. I don't think some of these Monaghan players will have experienced or be ready for the intensity that an All Ireland semi final brings. Tyrone by 6-8 points. Come on!

This goes against your "come on the royalers" post earlier in the season southtyronegael. You jumped back on the bandwagon??

Meyler a big loss, wasnt getting much on the score sheet but his workrate and ball carrying ability will be missed, however a big opportunity for another man to get in there from the off and bring the game to monaghan. Weathers looking like rain, i wud keep richy donnelly in there and try a few long balls in, monaghan suspect under them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 10, 2018, 12:56:36 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 10, 2018, 06:26:53 AM
Team as expected and rightly so. Conor McCalliskey and Peter Harte have to step it up from last week these two are the more experienced two along with the others who are do ing their bit Donnelly, Cavanagh, McCann, McNamee. I don't think some of these Monaghan players will have experienced or be ready for the intensity that an All Ireland semi final brings. Tyrone by 6-8 points. Come on!

Lol. SouthtyroneGael trying to claw back some respectability with a proper post after making a tit if himself. Funniest thing I have come across on this board
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on August 10, 2018, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 10, 2018, 12:56:36 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 10, 2018, 06:26:53 AM
Team as expected and rightly so. Conor McCalliskey and Peter Harte have to step it up from last week these two are the more experienced two along with the others who are do ing their bit Donnelly, Cavanagh, McCann, McNamee. I don't think some of these Monaghan players will have experienced or be ready for the intensity that an All Ireland semi final brings. Tyrone by 6-8 points. Come on!

Lol. SouthtyroneGael trying to claw back some respectability with a proper post after making a tit if himself. Funniest thing I have come across on this board

And when assessing it as a serious post, STG just can't avoid his anti Harte bias. Admittedly by some of the standards Skeet has set this year,  he has been quiet of late. However I'd be firmly of the belief that Harte was hugely influential in Ballybofey. Himself and a few others really stepped it up when a championship exit was looming large.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 11, 2018, 04:53:31 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 10, 2018, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 10, 2018, 12:56:36 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 10, 2018, 06:26:53 AM
Team as expected and rightly so. Conor McCalliskey and Peter Harte have to step it up from last week these two are the more experienced two along with the others who are do ing their bit Donnelly, Cavanagh, McCann, McNamee. I don't think some of these Monaghan players will have experienced or be ready for the intensity that an All Ireland semi final brings. Tyrone by 6-8 points. Come on!

Lol. SouthtyroneGael trying to claw back some respectability with a proper post after making a tit if himself. Funniest thing I have come across on this board

And when assessing it as a serious post, STG just can't avoid his anti Harte bias. Admittedly by some of the standards Skeet has set this year,  he has been quiet of late. However I'd be firmly of the belief that Harte was hugely influential in Ballybofey. Himself and a few others really stepped it up when a championship exit was looming large.
Idiots on here gonna continue to say myself and south Tyrone Gael are the same person? Do We know each other? Well that's a different question lol. Harte out then, now and next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 12, 2018, 10:58:27 PM
Mickey has fairly shut a few mouths up around the county.
Keeping us at the top table, back in another final.
No doubt the mouths who are so critical and call for his head, won't bother looking a ticket for the big one!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 12, 2018, 11:09:19 PM
Ciaran whelean give Harte some praise on the Sunday game. Tactical masterclass and it was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2018, 11:17:36 PM
Great feeling to be in a final. Realised on the way out that for so many young people this will be the first final they see tyrone play in, which is an incredible thought.

Well done Mickey Harte and the players, they've given us so many great days this year and hopefully the last one is the best.

Thank God we got his contract extended.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 13, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
Clearly the most important decision taken this year which is probably the key reason why we are sitting in an All Ireland final, was the decision to return to red shorts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on August 13, 2018, 10:51:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
Clearly the most important decision taken this year which is probably the key reason why we are sitting in an All Ireland final, was the decision to return to red shorts.

Absolutely, was thinking that earlier.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 13, 2018, 11:50:59 AM
Bursting with pride this morning, Back in an All Ireland final...... Can we win it i don't know .... we will be closer than last year i am confident of that!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 13, 2018, 12:00:06 PM
Gonna need everything to go right for us,  not impossible but unlikely to be honest. Could get to within a couple of points
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 13, 2018, 12:07:30 PM
We won't beat Dublin simply because we should have been playing this football 5 years ago. Decision making and shooting in the final third erratic. Harte has left it too late to putting more of emphasis on attack. Better late than never I suppose. Need to get Canavan s cub in there for next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 13, 2018, 12:13:06 PM
But we had the next best thing in today ( don't think Brennan should have started by the way) and it wasn't much of a benefit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 13, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 13, 2018, 12:07:30 PM
We won't beat Dublin simply because we should have been playing this football 5 years ago. Decision making and shooting in the final third erratic. Harte has left it too late to putting more of emphasis on attack. Better late than never I suppose. Need to get Canavan s cub in there for next year.

You are putting a lot of faith in a lad who hasn't played senior club football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 13, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 13, 2018, 12:13:06 PM
But we had the next best thing in today ( don't think Brennan should have started by the way) and it wasn't much of a benefit
Agree with that. Lee should have came on. Starting him automatically put pressure on him to deliver. Mc Caliskey played very well yesterday but again needs to settle himself down and maybe look for a better option. Get the ball to Lee in the scoring zone. Harte needs to get more scoring forwards into the panel. This will encourage competition for places.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 13, 2018, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 13, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 13, 2018, 12:13:06 PM
But we had the next best thing in today ( don't think Brennan should have started by the way) and it wasn't much of a benefit
Agree with that. Lee should have came on. Starting him automatically put pressure on him to deliver. Mc Caliskey played very well yesterday but again needs to settle himself down and maybe look for a better option. Get the ball to Lee in the scoring zone. Harte needs to get more scoring forwards into the panel. This will encourage competition for places.
Missed Meylers runs yesterday.
Not sure we have the scoring forwards required, either on the pitch or the bench, for against the Dubs you'd need to be converting 90% of your chances
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 13, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
Well done Tyrone, didn't think they would get out of the Super 8 group (prior to McBrearty injury) and didn't think they would beat Monaghan yesturday - should have been a lot more comfortable probably than it was considering the misses / drop shorts v lucky enough goal. Must be congratulated on a tremendous run - they have proved a lot of people wrong along the way.

Unfortunately they now face the mammoth task - thinking ahead match up wise, where can Tyrone realistically defeat Dublin lads? I'm struggling to think where Tyrone can get the goals they need to defeat Dublin (assuming they won't score 0-20). I don't think Tyrone can 'keep it tight' v Dublin - arguably they caused them most trouble in Omagh when they had no choice but to go for it, there is a school of thought that Dublin had the game won and just got caught in a game by complacency but did that show the way for Tyrone to approach the final - that said, there's no way I think Mickey Harte doesn't approach this game like the previous encounters, i.e. 15 behind the ball (that is not a criticism)

Are there any mismatches that Tyrone can engineer v Dublin?

Lee Brennan was tamed by Drew Wylie - albeit Wylie is probably one of the most underrated players in Ireland when it comes to ' best in ireland' chat.

Ronan O'Neill has got goals in him, but I don't think he's anywhere near a start. I don't think anyone would right now, start him in a final 15?

Mark Bradley gave Dublin a good test when he came on in Omagh, would Dublin be prepared to sacrifice Cooper on him again? I think he might be the one way through - he's a very impressive player.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 13, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
Say what you like about Mickey harte, but all the rosaries worked yesterday. We got a serious run of the green yesterday. If Tyrone can pull off the impossible and land this all Ireland, we should erect a statue of Colm cavanagh up at garvaghy because he is the reason we are still in this championship. Amazing performance again from him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 13, 2018, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 13, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
Say what you like about Mickey harte, but all the rosaries worked yesterday. We got a serious run of the green yesterday. If Tyrone can pull off the impossible and land this all Ireland, we should erect a statue of Colm cavanagh up at garvaghy because he is the reason we are still in this championship. Amazing performance again from him.

I just thought you were about to praise Micky Harte but you landed just short STG. Credit were its due, I called for him to be axed, think he has ruined his legacy and stayed too long but fair play, he has them in an All Ireland Final (all be it without playing the big 3 Dublin, Kerry or Mayo)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 13, 2018, 05:35:59 PM
Kerry and mayo already proved they aren't top 3 material this year. Maybe call them the big 3. Don't think mayo are in that category anymore
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on August 13, 2018, 09:15:58 PM
Harte has done some job to get to the final, with the injuries during the year, Cavanagh and McCann at the start, then Brennan and Bradley, rejigging for each game and getting results - massive credit.

The performance yesterday was good enough to win but not good enough to be happy with, plenty to work on and it will be no bother bringing them down to earth, they face a huge challenge and it would be a monumental victory - and a tactical and physical performance of a lifetime but it is possible - can't wait.

A few negatives McShane checked the wing mirrors for a few hits yesterday that can't happen at this level, and Burns decision making in the last two games has been v poor and mcnamee one on one is a black card waiting to happen and with the directness of the Dublin forwards this would be a worry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 13, 2018, 10:26:52 PM
Yeah I'd be worried about McNamee as well in the final. Thought he was poor yesterday and was lucky not to be black carded.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 01:15:59 AM
He might as well have been when he got the curly finger a minute later.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on August 14, 2018, 09:23:39 AM
Take last years semi-final out of it and we haven't been overly far away from the Dubs over the past 4/5 years. 

Had them beat in the league last year only for a dubious free at the end and probably should have beaten them this year only for a terrible mistake for their goal and our 13 wides to their 1.
In the super 8 game, if we score that free kick to put 1 in it, I think we would almost certainly have gotten a chance to level seeing how much pressure we were putting on the Dublin kickout.  People say Dublin had the game won and were playing in 2nd gear but they were definitely rattled in the last 10.

There's a lot of 'ifs' in the above but we have been putting ourselves into positions to challenge.   

Granted we will need to be more clinical than we have ever been but I would give us a better chance than the bookies currently are at nearly 6/1.





Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 14, 2018, 09:24:16 AM
Goals and plenty of them. Kitchen sink, cupboard s, washing machine, tumble dryer, the whole lot threw at the Dubs in the first 75 minutes. This one could be an epic! Like I said that Dublin full back is vulnerable and we definitely need a physical presence in there. Get the ball in high and early.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 14, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
Dust has settled now All Ireland Final v the Dubs in just over 2 weeks...... Do we go out and play our usual game and invite the Dubs to pick us off like they have done in the last 2/3 games we have played them at championship level and leave Croke Park wondering if we had of done something different what might have happened?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on August 14, 2018, 12:11:27 PM
There must have been a method in he madness of putting Burns in the forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 14, 2018, 12:47:24 PM
Plays CHF for Pomeroy as far as I know, and scores plenty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 14, 2018, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 14, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
Dust has settled now All Ireland Final v the Dubs in just over 2 weeks...... Do we go out and play our usual game and invite the Dubs to pick us off like they have done in the last 2/3 games we have played them at championship level and leave Croke Park wondering if we had of done something different what might have happened?

I don't think it's in question that Tyrone will tactically do what they attempted to do last year and again in Omagh. It'll be 15 behind the ball, try and pick off Dublin on the counter and bring the game into the last 10 minutes. That's not a critical comment, I just don't see Tyrone doing what I think is the only way to get at Dublin and go right up on them like Mayo did, it's not in Harte's playbook anymore and to be honest - he doesn't have the players to go and do that either.

Obviously the key for Tyrone is to avoid what happened last year, when they shipped that early goal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 14, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 14, 2018, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 14, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
Dust has settled now All Ireland Final v the Dubs in just over 2 weeks...... Do we go out and play our usual game and invite the Dubs to pick us off like they have done in the last 2/3 games we have played them at championship level and leave Croke Park wondering if we had of done something different what might have happened?

I don't think it's in question that Tyrone will tactically do what they attempted to do last year and again in Omagh. It'll be 15 behind the ball, try and pick off Dublin on the counter and bring the game into the last 10 minutes. That's not a critical comment, I just don't see Tyrone doing what I think is the only way to get at Dublin and go right up on them like Mayo did, it's not in Harte's playbook anymore and to be honest - he doesn't have the players to go and do that either.

Obviously the key for Tyrone is to avoid what happened last year, when they shipped that early goal.

They will have to spread the blanket further up the field though. When Tyrone did win turnovers last year the runners were too isolated and were easily dispossessed. They need to be winning the ball where they can support the runners easier.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 14, 2018, 03:00:21 PM
I think we have to do what Lee Keegan did to Ciaran Kilkenny and tag him everywhere he goes. He is THE big influence on the Dublin team. They are always looking for him as an outlet, he holds possession (sometimes recycling for up to 7 or 8 seconds) and this enables them to get players beyond the ball in attack in numbers. This is crucial to their attacking strategy, getting numbers up to overwhelm you. I am also convinced that this Dublin team does not have the flair up front of previous teams and are very methodical. Mannion, O'Callaghan, Andrews, Scully are not at the level of Connolly, Flynn and Brogans. I think we can get at them if we stop Kilkenny. What do they do if they can't get him on the ball? This stat from last year really spoke volumes about how Mayo were able to push Dublin ..."He had 66 possessions in the semi-final against Tyrone, he was restricted to eight today by Lee Keegan." If we can restrict the supply to him we really disrupt their gameplan and I just think they may not have the class of previous years to adapt as easily.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 03:09:23 PM
Jesus I was listening to the off the ball podcast from Monday morning there and it's no wonder the "neutral" hates us when you hear the shite Ger Gilroy comes out with. He'd put Rte to shame with his witty Tyrone bashing. What an utter **** of a man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 14, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 03:09:23 PM
Jesus I was listening to the off the ball podcast from Monday morning there and it's no wonder the "neutral" hates us when you hear the shite Ger Gilroy comes out with. He'd put Rte to shame with his witty Tyrone bashing. What an utter **** of a man.

but the neutral hates Trone too. no advantage. play on......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 14, 2018, 03:36:33 PM
I think we have to find a way of bringing our three main men into the game. Harte and Sludden (M Donnelly to a lesser extent) were on the periphery for too long in the Omagh match. I wonder will Mickey try something a bit left field and have Harte and Sludden hold their positions much further up the field than they usually would.

Dublin have the power and athleticism to go with and surpass our hard running game, so make them do something different. Implement a higher press and push our danger men further up the field. If they get the ball they'll get into dangerous positions quicker than receiving the ball on our own 45m line. We seen the double sweeper effectively abandoned from the get go v Monaghan. Obviously, Dublin are more dangerous in attack but we seen that they are vulnerable when they are pressed higher up. It's a risky approach though as they could blow us away with a goal and a rash of points in the first quarter and we're screwed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 14, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2018, 03:00:21 PM
I think we have to do what Lee Keegan did to Ciaran Kilkenny and tag him everywhere he goes. He is THE big influence on the Dublin team. They are always looking for him as an outlet, he holds possession (sometimes recycling for up to 7 or 8 seconds) and this enables them to get players beyond the ball in attack in numbers. This is crucial to their attacking strategy, getting numbers up to overwhelm you. I am also convinced that this Dublin team does not have the flair up front of previous teams and are very methodical. Mannion, O'Callaghan, Andrews, Scully are not at the level of Connolly, Flynn and Brogans. I think we can get at them if we stop Kilkenny. What do they do if they can't get him on the ball? This stat from last year really spoke volumes about how Mayo were able to push Dublin ..."He had 66 possessions in the semi-final against Tyrone, he was restricted to eight today by Lee Keegan." If we can restrict the supply to him we really disrupt their gameplan and I just think they may not have the class of previous years to adapt as easily.

I think this a strategy Tyrone will have to deploy to win the game. We can not leave Kilkenny unmarked the way we did in the semi final last year and again this year in Omagh.  Everything Dublin do goes through him.  He makes them tick.  Have we a player though of Lee Keegans ability to be able to stick with him and mark him the way Keegan did?  I am not sure we do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
I noticed in the firs half on Sunday Harte was at full forward on his own for a while. Then again McKiernan was the furthest man up for a short while too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 14, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2018, 03:00:21 PM
I think we have to do what Lee Keegan did to Ciaran Kilkenny and tag him everywhere he goes. He is THE big influence on the Dublin team. They are always looking for him as an outlet, he holds possession (sometimes recycling for up to 7 or 8 seconds) and this enables them to get players beyond the ball in attack in numbers. This is crucial to their attacking strategy, getting numbers up to overwhelm you. I am also convinced that this Dublin team does not have the flair up front of previous teams and are very methodical. Mannion, O'Callaghan, Andrews, Scully are not at the level of Connolly, Flynn and Brogans. I think we can get at them if we stop Kilkenny. What do they do if they can't get him on the ball? This stat from last year really spoke volumes about how Mayo were able to push Dublin ..."He had 66 possessions in the semi-final against Tyrone, he was restricted to eight today by Lee Keegan." If we can restrict the supply to him we really disrupt their gameplan and I just think they may not have the class of previous years to adapt as easily.

I think this a strategy Tyrone will have to deploy to win the game. We can not leave Kilkenny unmarked the way we did in the semi final last year and again this year in Omagh.  Everything Dublin do goes through him.  He makes them tick.  Have we a player though of Lee Keegans ability to be able to stick with him and mark him the way Keegan did?  I am not sure we do.

Have to imagine Hamspey will have the job on him given he's been our main man marker this past while.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 14, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
Is meyler a no go for the final? McGeary could be the man to track Kilkenny and leave Hampsey to fight fires elsewhere? One way or the other he'll definitely need man marked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 14, 2018, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 14, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2018, 03:00:21 PM
I think we have to do what Lee Keegan did to Ciaran Kilkenny and tag him everywhere he goes. He is THE big influence on the Dublin team. They are always looking for him as an outlet, he holds possession (sometimes recycling for up to 7 or 8 seconds) and this enables them to get players beyond the ball in attack in numbers. This is crucial to their attacking strategy, getting numbers up to overwhelm you. I am also convinced that this Dublin team does not have the flair up front of previous teams and are very methodical. Mannion, O'Callaghan, Andrews, Scully are not at the level of Connolly, Flynn and Brogans. I think we can get at them if we stop Kilkenny. What do they do if they can't get him on the ball? This stat from last year really spoke volumes about how Mayo were able to push Dublin ..."He had 66 possessions in the semi-final against Tyrone, he was restricted to eight today by Lee Keegan." If we can restrict the supply to him we really disrupt their gameplan and I just think they may not have the class of previous years to adapt as easily.

I think this a strategy Tyrone will have to deploy to win the game. We can not leave Kilkenny unmarked the way we did in the semi final last year and again this year in Omagh.  Everything Dublin do goes through him.  He makes them tick.  Have we a player though of Lee Keegans ability to be able to stick with him and mark him the way Keegan did?  I am not sure we do.

We probably don't but if we can improve that stat of 66 times on the ball to 20 or 25 then I'd imagine we'd be in a better position than last year. Hampsey or McGeary would be my men for the job. Possibly taking turns.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2018, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 14, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
Is meyler a no go for the final? McGeary could be the man to track Kilkenny and leave Hampsey to fight fires elsewhere? One way or the other he'll definitely need man marked.

McGerary is a wee bit of a liability in defence, he has great energy but he is prone to fouling and making sloppy mistakes.
That said he could do a number on Kilkenny for a period but Hampsey is the best man for the bulk of the job
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 14, 2018, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2018, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 14, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
Is meyler a no go for the final? McGeary could be the man to track Kilkenny and leave Hampsey to fight fires elsewhere? One way or the other he'll definitely need man marked.

McGerary is a wee bit of a liability in defence, he has great energy but he is prone to fouling and making sloppy mistakes.
That said he could do a number on Kilkenny for a period but Hampsey is the best man for the bulk of the job

Think I'd lean towards putting McGeary on to him to start with. Well that's what I'll be suggesting to Mickey when he no doubts picks up the phone to ask my opinion on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 14, 2018, 08:13:18 PM
Did Hampsey not do a decent job on Fenton in Omagh. Problem here is Tyrone dont have enough quality to cover all of Dublins danger men

And just when you think you've done your job, on comes another superstar from the bench to run at you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 14, 2018, 08:13:18 PM
Did Hampsey not do a decent job on Fenton in Omagh. Problem here is Tyrone dont have enough quality to cover all of Dublins danger men

And just when you think you've done your job, on comes another superstar from the bench to run at you

And there is the problem. It's all about choices against Dublin.

Choice 1. Go essentially man to man with 2/3 man markers of the key danger men. Problem here is is someone loses their man you're wide open.
Choice 2. Go full balls out defensive with 14 men back and double sweepers. Problem here is what happened last year, they'll juyst hold the ball, keep moving side to side until one person comes out of cover and they pop over a simple point. The Dubs have all the patience in the world to do this all day long.
Choice 3. Go 2 up, defend the space around the 45 and have Colm play around the D. I think this is the best option as they get most of their scores from the D, but you've no Colm on the edge of the square and goals against will kill us.
Choice 4. Go 4 up. Never going to happen so no problems there.

Personally I think we'll go between 1,2 & 3 on the day at different times. Hopefully we go balls out attack at the start, get a few scores on the board and then get back in shape for 15 minutes then have another run at them before half time. The start of the second half is key and I hope we bring in fresh legs there to stop them doing what they do in that 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on August 14, 2018, 09:55:13 PM
This a two horse race only one team can win and one of them is Tyrone.  Wouldn't it be nice if the panel could take off work until after the final to get the last bit of fine tuning done. I think sometimes the supporters enjoy this part of the journey more than the players. The pressure these lads are under is huge. Wither it be an injury or someone they know isn't well, girl friend problems these men need to be ready to go to war and their heads need to be right. I remember reading one time Cork took their hurlers to a convent for a few days in Dublin before a final to protect the players from all the commotion that comes with playing in a final. Every advantage must be taken. These things don't happen to often.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2018, 11:47:36 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on August 14, 2018, 09:55:13 PM
This a two horse race only one team can win and one of them is Tyrone.  Wouldn't it be nice if the panel could take off work until after the final to get the last bit of fine tuning done. I think sometimes the supporters enjoy this part of the journey more than the players. The pressure these lads are under is huge. Wither it be an injury or someone they know isn't well, girl friend problems these men need to be ready to go to war and their heads need to be right. I remember reading one time Cork took their hurlers to a convent for a few days in Dublin before a final to protect the players from all the commotion that comes with playing in a final. Every advantage must be taken. These things don't happen to often.

...and did the Cork hurlers win?????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 15, 2018, 10:04:35 AM
It's more likely he'd start Morgan at full forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 15, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

I thought the same. Would Moy's Harry Loughran be an option for that role?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 15, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.

I like your thinking outside the box but I'd say there's more chance of Peter Canavan coming back for the final than Sean Cavanagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 15, 2018, 01:23:10 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 15, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.

I like your thinking outside the box but I'd say there's more chance of Peter Canavan coming back for the final than Sean Cavanagh.

Maybe Stevie O'Neill again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on August 15, 2018, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 15, 2018, 01:23:10 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 15, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.

I like your thinking outside the box but I'd say there's more chance of Peter Canavan coming back for the final than Sean Cavanagh.

Maybe Stevie O'Neill again?

Stevie would have to be named on the match day panel? he couldn't just be send on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2018, 01:39:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 15, 2018, 01:23:10 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 15, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.

I like your thinking outside the box but I'd say there's more chance of Peter Canavan coming back for the final than Sean Cavanagh.

Maybe Stevie O'Neill again?

Throw on him and Horse for the last 10 minutes to see it through.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shawshank on August 15, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.

How can someone be so stupid to actually think that and then commit it to a forum for the world to see  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 15, 2018, 02:39:49 PM
nah, stick Plunkett Donaghy in full forward. he did a fine job there in 1994.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 15, 2018, 04:52:38 PM
Can anyone see us getting within 5/6 points? I hope I'm wrong but I think we have no chance....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on August 15, 2018, 05:15:07 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-monaghan-abandoned-game-plan-and-saw-a-chance-slip-away-1.3595085?mode=amp

Struggling to see how tyrone can get close but was reading Jim McGuinness in the Irish Times today who thinks tyrone can go close.  Fingers crossed!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 15, 2018, 05:39:01 PM
Some people will try to build a case for us to be in with a chance, most will say we'll get whipped. The reality is they haven't a clue.

I personally don't think there will be a huge amount in it. We were beat by 12 last year and Dublin were worth a big win because we were just awful. I simply refuse to believe Tyrone will be that bad again and even that 12 point win should have been 9 had Harte scored the pen. Only a goal that was just as lucky as the goal we scored against Monaghan split the teams this year in Omagh. People will say Dublin didn't get out of 3rd gear for that game, but I don't know about that, that's just how Dublin play the game all the time.

Last year we had played 4 games before meeting Dublin and walked everyone of them. We weren't battle hardened like you need to be, like Mayo were last year by the final. In the 4 games last year here's our top scorers, a lot has changed in 12 months.

Sean Cavanagh.....0-14 (0-11 frees)
Peter Harte........... .1-8 (1-0 pen, 0-2 frees, 0-1'45')
David Mulgrew.....2-4
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: shawshank on August 15, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.

How can someone be so stupid to actually think that and then commit it to a forum for the world to see  :o :o :o

That was a bit harsh lol. I said it was radical. I do think they are going to have to try something completely new to suprise the dubs. Seems the dubs have the measure of us so a curve ball wouldn't hurt their chances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2018, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: shawshank on August 15, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.

How can someone be so stupid to actually think that and then commit it to a forum for the world to see  :o :o :o

That was a bit harsh lol. I said it was radical. I do think they are going to have to try something completely new to suprise the dubs. Seems the dubs have the measure of us so a curve ball wouldn't hurt their chances.

Put out the 95 team. That would shock them!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 16, 2018, 01:11:30 AM
Meyler saying he ll be fit for the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 16, 2018, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 16, 2018, 01:11:30 AM
Meyler saying he ll be fit for the final.

That'll be some boost. Where'd you hear that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 16, 2018, 10:20:05 AM
http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289195
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 16, 2018, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 16, 2018, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 16, 2018, 01:11:30 AM
Meyler saying he ll be fit for the final.

That'll be some boost. Where'd you hear that?

IRISH news
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 16, 2018, 03:07:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2018, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: shawshank on August 15, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2018, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 15, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 15, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Dublin's biggest weakness (yes...i know) is a weakness under a high ball onto their full back line - would there be a chance that Tyrone throw Colm Cavanagh up there for periods of the final? It's a potential way through - you lose what he does anchoring the defence but against Dublin in the Super 8 game he was largely rendered irrelevant as Dublin wouldn't actually go through the middle, instead slip down the sides, i.e. Rock pretty much playing out at the corner of goalline/end line.

Would Harte give this a go? I think it's a no go, but a big man in front of Cluxton tends to get him to do strange things like the Comer goal last Saturday - maybe a pity Tyrone don't have a 'big' natural forward.

If he wasn't in there holding the middle they'd probably go straight through it. Though maybe anyone in there would be enough to make them avoid it. Either way Colm Cavanagh is such a key part of the defensive set up I don't think he could risk moving him at this stage. We have seen less ball kicked in there as the season has went on and R Donnelly role as ball winner has become less effective. I think I'd start McAliskey and Harte up front with Bradley playing of them. Lee Brennan to come on with 20 minutes to go.

I was thinking this the other day. For certain periods of the game, say 7 min spells I would def put Colm in the full forward line. Start McAliskey and Bradley up front, bring Colm up for periods and pump quality high ball in. With Colm and McAliskey hopefully winning the ball a quick player like Bradley would be through on goal. Cooper and Phily are prone to fouling players but seem to get away with it. This would cause them a nightmare.

Bring brennan on for the 2nd half. I dont think hes fit enough due to a lack of game time this year to start.

The only other radical surprise would be to bring back Sean Cav and put him in full forward. Doubt this would happen though due to the comments he has made but remember in 08 mickey brought back Stephen O'Neill just for the final that year.

How can someone be so stupid to actually think that and then commit it to a forum for the world to see  :o :o :o

That was a bit harsh lol. I said it was radical. I do think they are going to have to try something completely new to suprise the dubs. Seems the dubs have the measure of us so a curve ball wouldn't hurt their chances.

Put out the 95 team. That would shock them!

It would probably shock the 95 team as well!!

Throw in Joe Mallon at CB, Plunkett Donaghy MF and Damien O'Hagan FF. Real curve balls.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 16, 2018, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 16, 2018, 01:11:30 AM
Meyler saying he ll be fit for the final.

Great news, he caused no little problems for the Dubs in the League game in Omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 18, 2018, 08:19:23 AM
Be interesting to see if he can get 70mins fit in two weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 18, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 18, 2018, 08:19:23 AM
Be interesting to see if he can get 70mins fit in two weeks.

I can see him starting and changing him with McGeary on 45/50 minutes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on August 18, 2018, 01:40:06 PM
Is Meyler all that big a loss?  Always wanted him to get a run in the team but now that he is I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 18, 2018, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 18, 2018, 08:19:23 AM
Be interesting to see if he can get 70mins fit in two weeks.

I can see him starting and changing him with McGeary on 45/50 minutes.
He was still on crutches today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on August 18, 2018, 11:32:36 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 18, 2018, 01:40:06 PM
Is Meyler all that big a loss?  Always wanted him to get a run in the team but now that he is I'm not so sure.

I know he's lined out as a wing forward on paper but he's been given some big marking jobs this year on some of the oppositions stronger ball carriers out the field and done well on most of them. He'd be the man to mark Kilkenny on my team anyway. I just can't see him being making it in terms of the injury
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 19, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
A little bit of reality needed. Tyrone have beaten Monaghan again in Croke park just like 2013 and 2015 only this time in a Semi final. We all know what happened after. The personnel hasn't changed much especially in attack. That's where the problems mainly lay. It's gonna be a tough ask in two weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on August 20, 2018, 04:23:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 19, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
A little bit of reality needed. Tyrone have beaten Monaghan again in Croke park just like 2013 and 2015 only this time in a Semi final. We all know what happened after. The personnel hasn't changed much especially in attack. That's where the problems mainly lay. It's gonna be a tough ask in two weeks.

I agree with you there. Hartes done a great job considering the players at his disposal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 20, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0820/986244-tyrone-and-rte-all-ireland-final-coverage/

No surprise that Tyrone have denied rte access to the the team before the game .....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 20, 2018, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 20, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0820/986244-tyrone-and-rte-all-ireland-final-coverage/

No surprise that Tyrone have denied rte access to the the team before the game .....
It's a pity for everybody I think
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2018, 04:23:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 19, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
A little bit of reality needed. Tyrone have beaten Monaghan again in Croke park just like 2013 and 2015 only this time in a Semi final. We all know what happened after. The personnel hasn't changed much especially in attack. That's where the problems mainly lay. It's gonna be a tough ask in two weeks.

I agree with you there. Hartes done a great job considering the players at his disposal.
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 20, 2018, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2018, 04:23:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 19, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
A little bit of reality needed. Tyrone have beaten Monaghan again in Croke park just like 2013 and 2015 only this time in a Semi final. We all know what happened after. The personnel hasn't changed much especially in attack. That's where the problems mainly lay. It's gonna be a tough ask in two weeks.

I agree with you there. Hartes done a great job considering the players at his disposal.
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.

Are people just ignorant or do they purposely misrepresent the reasons why Harte has a problem with RTE?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 20, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2018, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2018, 04:23:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 19, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
A little bit of reality needed. Tyrone have beaten Monaghan again in Croke park just like 2013 and 2015 only this time in a Semi final. We all know what happened after. The personnel hasn't changed much especially in attack. That's where the problems mainly lay. It's gonna be a tough ask in two weeks.

I agree with you there. Hartes done a great job considering the players at his disposal.
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.

Are people just ignorant or do they purposely misrepresent the reasons why Harte has a problem with RTE?

Could be both. I have been critical of Mickey over the last 6-7 years but I fully agree with him not speaking with RTE. If someone disrespected a deceased relative of mine, not speaking to them would be the nicest thing I would do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2018, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2018, 04:23:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 19, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
A little bit of reality needed. Tyrone have beaten Monaghan again in Croke park just like 2013 and 2015 only this time in a Semi final. We all know what happened after. The personnel hasn't changed much especially in attack. That's where the problems mainly lay. It's gonna be a tough ask in two weeks.

I agree with you there. Hartes done a great job considering the players at his disposal.
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.

Are people just ignorant or do they purposely misrepresent the reasons why Harte has a problem with RTE?

Because if your pushing an agenda the real reason doesn't make MH look unreasonable. It's pretty poor taste that a poster would purposely peddle the above misinformation. The poster would want to go and have a talk with himself about what's fair game and what's not. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on August 20, 2018, 11:36:54 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-brian-carthy-and-that-fourpage-letter-to-rte-26741449.html
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-manager-harte-taking-carthy-fight-to-rte-28625242.html

This is where all this started and it has to have been the silliest grounds for protest that I've ever heard.  Who the hell did he think he was and what on earth compelled the other managers to get involved in something so daft (those of whom consented to having their name added to the list)? I didn't realise it, but he actually went onto the radio to talk about this.  Weird stuff! 

As an aside, Brian Carthy has to be one of the most annoying commentators on the radio.  Him of the double narration!
And Cork have a sideline ball, a sideline ball to Cork.

John Murray then took the piss about Harte's perceived interference in what was a personnel matter at RTE and Harte took offence at the insensitivity of it - see below. According to this, those in RTE that had caused offence apologised and the piece was removed from the RTE archive and social media. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/rt%C3%A9-accused-of-insulting-michaela-harte-s-memory-1.590684

You would think after this, everyone could say, that entire issue was embarassing from start to finish, lets forget it ever happened - lesson learned - move on. 

The irony of this is that Brian Carthy is working away with RTE (annoying us with his really whiny commentary) and Tyrone haven't engaged with them in 7 years. 

Mad stuff. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 11:36:54 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-brian-carthy-and-that-fourpage-letter-to-rte-26741449.html
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-manager-harte-taking-carthy-fight-to-rte-28625242.html

This is where all this started and it has to have been the silliest grounds for protest that I've ever heard.  Who the hell did he think he was and what on earth compelled the other managers to get involved in something so daft (those of whom consented to having their name added to the list)? I didn't realise it, but he actually went onto the radio to talk about this.  Weird stuff! 

As an aside, Brian Carthy has to be one of the most annoying commentators on the radio.  Him of the double narration!
And Cork have a sideline ball, a sideline ball to Cork.



John Murray then took the piss about Harte's perceived interference in what was a personnel matter at RTE and Harte took offence at the insensitivity of it - see below. According to this, those in RTE that had caused offence apologised and the piece was removed from the RTE archive and social media. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/rt%C3%A9-accused-of-insulting-michaela-harte-s-memory-1.590684

You would think after this, everyone could say, that entire issue was embarassing from start to finish, lets forget it ever happened - lesson learned - move on. 

The irony of this is that Brian Carthy is working away with RTE (annoying us with his really whiny commentary) and Tyrone haven't engaged with them in 7 years. 

Mad stuff. 

It started with the letter about Carthy which I agree was weird and stupid. But that's not the reasons behind the current blackout. MH hand Tyrone have been clear about that.

Due to the portrayal of the said letter, at least one other broadcaster within the organisation acted in a most insensitive manner in the choice of their programme dialogue in a morning radio show soon after. Inappropriate references to the fact that the Tyrone manager Mickey Harte was associated with the Dali Lama conference in Limerick and the choice of the song "Pretty Little Girl from Omagh" will give you an indication of the complete lack of sensitivity the presenter in question afforded the Harte family and Michaela's husband John McAreavey, in what remains for them a very difficult time.

So I fully support MH's decision to deal with RTE as he see's fit.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 11:56:49 AM
typical of hartes cronies to conveniently forget the original reason for the RTE boycott. ive no time for RTE but at least they have offered an apology unlike mickey. will be a strange final in that tyrone will be the underdog and yet most neutrals will want to see them beat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 11:56:49 AM
typical of hartes cronies to conveniently forget the original reason for the RTE boycott. ive no time for RTE but at least they have offered an apology unlike mickey. will be a strange final in that tyrone will be the underdog and yet most neutrals will want to see them beat.

Why would Mickey apologise?

Again your trying to portray the boycott is due to Carthy. That clearly isn't the case. Catch yourself on a little would you.

Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 11:20:51 AM
The poster would want to go and have a talk with himself about what's fair game and what's not. 

When I said the above I didn't mean you and Bigtogs logging in at the same time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
mickey should have apologized to RTE for sticking his nose in and trying to influence who a public company hires and fires. RTE's responce was a disgrace. both harte and RTE were in the wrong but one has apologized and tried to sort the matter out. i think the harte family should feel free to refuse any contact or interviews with RTE but i think the players etc should be free to do so if they want.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
mickey should have apologized to RTE for sticking his nose in and trying to influence who a public company hires and fires. RTE's responce was a disgrace. both harte and RTE were in the wrong but one has apologized and tried to sort the matter out. i think the harte family should feel free to refuse any contact or interviews with RTE but i think the players etc should be free to do so if they want.

They are, so we're all happy then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 20, 2018, 12:28:43 PM
It's been good for motivation for us though, like Fergie and the BBC that time, used it as a siege mentality kind of thing.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on August 20, 2018, 12:29:53 PM
Was there not also other Managers of the time who also took Carthy's side and mentioned it to RTE.

Harte seems to be the only talked about there were others, if he was the only manager to voice an opinion it is cringe worthy, but it hardly made RTE's response valid.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on August 20, 2018, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
mickey should have apologized to RTE for sticking his nose in and trying to influence who a public company hires and fires. RTE's responce was a disgrace. both harte and RTE were in the wrong but one has apologized and tried to sort the matter out. i think the harte family should feel free to refuse any contact or interviews with RTE but i think the players etc should be free to do so if they want.

They are, so we're all happy then?

Of course the players are free to talk to rte. But they know if they do they will soon be ex tyrone players because harte has a reputation of being extremely vindictive. So are they really free to talk to rte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:32:36 PM
i think harte canvassed a bit of support at the time and got a few big names to sign the letter. joe kernan i think was one anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 20, 2018, 12:28:43 PM
It's been good for motivation for us though, like Fergie and the BBC that time, used it as a siege mentality kind of thing.
how has it been good for us? we havent exactly been rolling in the trophies since 2011. unless mc kenna cups are your thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:39:48 PM
funny alot of ex tyrone players seem to be queing up to talk with rte. wonder why they dont do it when they are playing.....?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 20, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 20, 2018, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
mickey should have apologized to RTE for sticking his nose in and trying to influence who a public company hires and fires. RTE's responce was a disgrace. both harte and RTE were in the wrong but one has apologized and tried to sort the matter out. i think the harte family should feel free to refuse any contact or interviews with RTE but i think the players etc should be free to do so if they want.

They are, so we're all happy then?

Of course the players are free to talk to rte. But they know if they do they will soon be ex tyrone players because harte has a reputation of being extremely vindictive. So are they really free to talk to rte?

Yes, I'm sure Matty Donnelly would be dropped for the final if he did an interview with Marty Morrissey after the semi final. Maybe, just maybe the team have a bit of loyalty to each other and the management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:53:49 PM
sean cavanagh, brian mc guigan, philip jordan, ryan mc menamin havent shown much loyalty to harte then benny.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 20, 2018, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 20, 2018, 12:28:43 PM
It's been good for motivation for us though, like Fergie and the BBC that time, used it as a siege mentality kind of thing.
how has it been good for us? we havent exactly been rolling in the trophies since 2011. unless mc kenna cups are your thing.

All Ireland Semi Finals not bad going.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 12:39:48 PM
funny alot of ex tyrone players seem to be queing up to talk with rte. wonder why they dont do it when they are playing.....?

Because they don't get paid when they are players. I'm surprised this needs explained.

I suppose when the on-field activities are going well, you have to look to the off-field issues in order to maintain your agenda. And even then your grasping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 20, 2018, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 11:56:49 AM
typical of hartes cronies to conveniently forget the original reason for the RTE boycott. ive no time for RTE but at least they have offered an apology unlike mickey. will be a strange final in that tyrone will be the underdog and yet most neutrals will want to see them beat.

Will you do everyone a favour and clear away off with your nonsense. We are less than 2 weeks away from only our 6th All Ireland senior final in history (4 of which have come under Mickey Harte) and want to enjoy the build up on here without your anti Harte crap. You've had plenty of time in the past to talk about this boycott and get your anti harte digs in and have nothing new to say on the matter.

It's unfortunate that this hasn't been sorted at some stage from all parties point of view but I can assure you it won't take away from any right minded Tyrone fans celebrations if we do win the All Ireland. If we don't all the focus will be on Dublin anyway and I'm sure their media access will be limited in the run up to the final anyway.

I like the way you said about us only winning McKenna cup since 2011 and ignoring the fact that we won back to back ulster's since then, reached the all Ireland final this year and reached the all Ireland semi finals in 2 other years. That's some going for a bad spell and from a manager who doesn't have a clue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 20, 2018, 01:59:30 PM
I wonder will you reply as southtyronegael or big dog today? I assume you'll both be hoping Tyrone lose like you did all year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 20, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
Personally I think Mickey should move on from the whole episode.  Players wont talk to RTE due to this but that doesnt mean they dont want to.  As someone said its only the 6th time in our History that we have made the final.  It doesnt come around that often and part and parcel of the occasion is the build up and players want to be part of that also if if they say publicly they dont.  A lot of players have big egos.  When they look back and want to show their children / grandchildren of what they where part of wouldnt it be good to have the RTE coverage to go along with.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 20, 2018, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2018, 04:23:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 19, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
A little bit of reality needed. Tyrone have beaten Monaghan again in Croke park just like 2013 and 2015 only this time in a Semi final. We all know what happened after. The personnel hasn't changed much especially in attack. That's where the problems mainly lay. It's gonna be a tough ask in two weeks.

I agree with you there. Hartes done a great job considering the players at his disposal.
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.

Well TBG hows it going? Your bestie didn't make the grade in Mickeys squad. No option than to drop him. He just wasn't good enough even though he got a few chances. Take it on the chin don't take it out on Mickey cos he did what he had to do.
Ps. Do you ever get fed up having to log out of this account and relog in as your other account AS Southtyronegael on this board. Don't know how you can be bothered.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on August 20, 2018, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 20, 2018, 02:35:09 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 20, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
Personally I think Mickey should move on from the whole episode.  Players wont talk to RTE due to this but that doesnt mean they dont want to.  As someone said its only the 6th time in our History that we have made the final.  It doesnt come around that often and part and parcel of the occasion is the build up and players want to be part of that also if if they say publicly they dont.  A lot of players have big egos.  When they look back and want to show their children / grandchildren of what they where part of wouldnt it be good to have the RTE coverage to go along with.

I can see how missing out on the man of the match award or something might be an issue. But what rte coverage would you expect the players to be part of during the build up? Can you remember anything from the last time we were in the all Ireland final? I'd say at this stage there is very little player involvement in the build up, more likely to see ex players being interviewed on tv.

I wonder if Tyrone were to win could Sky be invited into the Banquet to do some sort of program like RTE do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 20, 2018, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 20, 2018, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 20, 2018, 02:35:09 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 20, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
Personally I think Mickey should move on from the whole episode.  Players wont talk to RTE due to this but that doesnt mean they dont want to.  As someone said its only the 6th time in our History that we have made the final.  It doesnt come around that often and part and parcel of the occasion is the build up and players want to be part of that also if if they say publicly they dont.  A lot of players have big egos.  When they look back and want to show their children / grandchildren of what they where part of wouldnt it be good to have the RTE coverage to go along with.

I can see how missing out on the man of the match award or something might be an issue. But what rte coverage would you expect the players to be part of during the build up? Can you remember anything from the last time we were in the all Ireland final? I'd say at this stage there is very little player involvement in the build up, more likely to see ex players being interviewed on tv.

I wonder if Tyrone were to win could Sky be invited into the Banquet to do some sort of program like RTE do?

I'm sure Tyrone gaa or teamtalkmag could easily film the banquet and bring out decent coverage online if Tyrone did happen to win. Do interviews and have their own award for the man of the match. Could produce more coverage than would have gotten through rte anyway. Given the novelty of it I'm sure it would get plenty of interest and people looking to see what was going on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on August 20, 2018, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 11:36:54 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-brian-carthy-and-that-fourpage-letter-to-rte-26741449.html
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-manager-harte-taking-carthy-fight-to-rte-28625242.html

This is where all this started and it has to have been the silliest grounds for protest that I've ever heard.  Who the hell did he think he was and what on earth compelled the other managers to get involved in something so daft (those of whom consented to having their name added to the list)? I didn't realise it, but he actually went onto the radio to talk about this.  Weird stuff! 

As an aside, Brian Carthy has to be one of the most annoying commentators on the radio.  Him of the double narration!
And Cork have a sideline ball, a sideline ball to Cork.



John Murray then took the piss about Harte's perceived interference in what was a personnel matter at RTE and Harte took offence at the insensitivity of it - see below. According to this, those in RTE that had caused offence apologised and the piece was removed from the RTE archive and social media. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/rt%C3%A9-accused-of-insulting-michaela-harte-s-memory-1.590684

You would think after this, everyone could say, that entire issue was embarassing from start to finish, lets forget it ever happened - lesson learned - move on. 

The irony of this is that Brian Carthy is working away with RTE (annoying us with his really whiny commentary) and Tyrone haven't engaged with them in 7 years. 

Mad stuff. 

It started with the letter about Carthy which I agree was weird and stupid. But that's not the reasons behind the current blackout. MH hand Tyrone have been clear about that.

Due to the portrayal of the said letter, at least one other broadcaster within the organisation acted in a most insensitive manner in the choice of their programme dialogue in a morning radio show soon after. Inappropriate references to the fact that the Tyrone manager Mickey Harte was associated with the Dali Lama conference in Limerick and the choice of the song "Pretty Little Girl from Omagh" will give you an indication of the complete lack of sensitivity the presenter in question afforded the Harte family and Michaela's husband John McAreavey, in what remains for them a very difficult time.

So I fully support MH's decision to deal with RTE as he see's fit.

In fairness, it was reported that the people involved apologised and RTE took action by removing the offending content from their website. 

You say its his decision to deal with RTE as he sees fit.  Should the County Board not have a say, and also the players?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 11:36:54 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-brian-carthy-and-that-fourpage-letter-to-rte-26741449.html
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-manager-harte-taking-carthy-fight-to-rte-28625242.html

This is where all this started and it has to have been the silliest grounds for protest that I've ever heard.  Who the hell did he think he was and what on earth compelled the other managers to get involved in something so daft (those of whom consented to having their name added to the list)? I didn't realise it, but he actually went onto the radio to talk about this.  Weird stuff! 

As an aside, Brian Carthy has to be one of the most annoying commentators on the radio.  Him of the double narration!
And Cork have a sideline ball, a sideline ball to Cork.



John Murray then took the piss about Harte's perceived interference in what was a personnel matter at RTE and Harte took offence at the insensitivity of it - see below. According to this, those in RTE that had caused offence apologised and the piece was removed from the RTE archive and social media. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/rt%C3%A9-accused-of-insulting-michaela-harte-s-memory-1.590684

You would think after this, everyone could say, that entire issue was embarassing from start to finish, lets forget it ever happened - lesson learned - move on. 

The irony of this is that Brian Carthy is working away with RTE (annoying us with his really whiny commentary) and Tyrone haven't engaged with them in 7 years. 

Mad stuff. 

It started with the letter about Carthy which I agree was weird and stupid. But that's not the reasons behind the current blackout. MH hand Tyrone have been clear about that.

Due to the portrayal of the said letter, at least one other broadcaster within the organisation acted in a most insensitive manner in the choice of their programme dialogue in a morning radio show soon after. Inappropriate references to the fact that the Tyrone manager Mickey Harte was associated with the Dali Lama conference in Limerick and the choice of the song "Pretty Little Girl from Omagh" will give you an indication of the complete lack of sensitivity the presenter in question afforded the Harte family and Michaela's husband John McAreavey, in what remains for them a very difficult time.

So I fully support MH's decision to deal with RTE as he see's fit.

In fairness, it was reported that the people involved apologised and RTE took action by removing the offending content from their website. 

You say its his decision to deal with RTE as he sees fit.  Should the County Board not have a say, and also the players?

They didn't take any action against their employee. So that says plenty about the conviction behind their apology.

The county board and players have a say. I don't know why you think otherwise?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 20, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I would rather as a County we could have brokered a deal years ago that the County Board would have accommodated RTE by sending some representation to speak on match days and receive Man of the Match awards..... i just think it does not look right....Our County is bigger than one person...... only my opinion....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 20, 2018, 05:32:50 PM
Will up for the game only have dublin people.Would parents of players be included in MHs directive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on August 20, 2018, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 11:36:54 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-brian-carthy-and-that-fourpage-letter-to-rte-26741449.html
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-manager-harte-taking-carthy-fight-to-rte-28625242.html

This is where all this started and it has to have been the silliest grounds for protest that I've ever heard.  Who the hell did he think he was and what on earth compelled the other managers to get involved in something so daft (those of whom consented to having their name added to the list)? I didn't realise it, but he actually went onto the radio to talk about this.  Weird stuff! 

As an aside, Brian Carthy has to be one of the most annoying commentators on the radio.  Him of the double narration!
And Cork have a sideline ball, a sideline ball to Cork.



John Murray then took the piss about Harte's perceived interference in what was a personnel matter at RTE and Harte took offence at the insensitivity of it - see below. According to this, those in RTE that had caused offence apologised and the piece was removed from the RTE archive and social media. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/rt%C3%A9-accused-of-insulting-michaela-harte-s-memory-1.590684

You would think after this, everyone could say, that entire issue was embarassing from start to finish, lets forget it ever happened - lesson learned - move on. 

The irony of this is that Brian Carthy is working away with RTE (annoying us with his really whiny commentary) and Tyrone haven't engaged with them in 7 years. 

Mad stuff. 

It started with the letter about Carthy which I agree was weird and stupid. But that's not the reasons behind the current blackout. MH hand Tyrone have been clear about that.

Due to the portrayal of the said letter, at least one other broadcaster within the organisation acted in a most insensitive manner in the choice of their programme dialogue in a morning radio show soon after. Inappropriate references to the fact that the Tyrone manager Mickey Harte was associated with the Dali Lama conference in Limerick and the choice of the song "Pretty Little Girl from Omagh" will give you an indication of the complete lack of sensitivity the presenter in question afforded the Harte family and Michaela's husband John McAreavey, in what remains for them a very difficult time.

So I fully support MH's decision to deal with RTE as he see's fit.

In fairness, it was reported that the people involved apologised and RTE took action by removing the offending content from their website. 

You say its his decision to deal with RTE as he sees fit.  Should the County Board not have a say, and also the players?

They didn't take any action against their employee. So that says plenty about the conviction behind their apology.

The county board and players have a say. I don't know why you think otherwise?


Firstly, I don't like John Murray.  Bit of a prat on that show and the skit in particular wasn't funny - just a bit crap, which was typical of a lot of his stuff - smart-alecy.   

Now I don't suppose all of the Mickey fans will agree; but I have listened to it on YouTube and I can certainly see how it was certainly clumsy and insensitive in the regard that Murray probably didn't give a second to think about this in the context of his bereavement.   But was it so offensive that it merits a seven year stand-off between RTE and Tyrone GAA - I think not - particularly in the context of the apology and removal of the material. 

But then offence is in the eye of the beholder and it's at this point you need an objective voice like the County Board to step in and sort it out.  It's hard to believe they didn't and its also possible to believe that they did try to sort it out and weren't strong enough. 

Many of the same people that are defending Harte on this, are doing it out of sheer blind loyalty to Tyrone.  If this was to have happened instead to Pete McGrath, Joe Kernan or Jimmy McGuinness I'd love to know their views.   Of course, you'll all say now that you would be completely consistent. 

PS - What action did you want from RTE?  Did you think Murray should be fired? Do you want to dictate RTE HR policy also? :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Orchard park on August 20, 2018, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 20, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I would rather as a County we could have brokered a deal years ago that the County Board would have accommodated RTE by sending some representation to speak on match days and receive Man of the Match awards..... i just think it does not look right....Our County is bigger than one person...... only my opinion....

a mature view
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on August 20, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 20, 2018, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 20, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I would rather as a County we could have brokered a deal years ago that the County Board would have accommodated RTE by sending some representation to speak on match days and receive Man of the Match awards..... i just think it does not look right....Our County is bigger than one person...... only my opinion....

a mature view

Indeed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 20, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I would rather as a County we could have brokered a deal years ago that the County Board would have accommodated RTE by sending some representation to speak on match days and receive Man of the Match awards..... i just think it does not look right....Our County is bigger than one person...... only my opinion....
i think roisin jordan the chairperson attempted this and look what happened her. was there not an agreement in place and when she went to the changing rooms after a game to get someone to do interviews harte fucked her off in front of the whole place. the tyrone county board will do whatever harte tells them to do and thats just the way it is unfortuneatly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: APM on August 20, 2018, 11:36:54 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-brian-carthy-and-that-fourpage-letter-to-rte-26741449.html
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-manager-harte-taking-carthy-fight-to-rte-28625242.html

This is where all this started and it has to have been the silliest grounds for protest that I've ever heard.  Who the hell did he think he was and what on earth compelled the other managers to get involved in something so daft (those of whom consented to having their name added to the list)? I didn't realise it, but he actually went onto the radio to talk about this.  Weird stuff! 

As an aside, Brian Carthy has to be one of the most annoying commentators on the radio.  Him of the double narration!
And Cork have a sideline ball, a sideline ball to Cork.



John Murray then took the piss about Harte's perceived interference in what was a personnel matter at RTE and Harte took offence at the insensitivity of it - see below. According to this, those in RTE that had caused offence apologised and the piece was removed from the RTE archive and social media. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/rt%C3%A9-accused-of-insulting-michaela-harte-s-memory-1.590684

You would think after this, everyone could say, that entire issue was embarassing from start to finish, lets forget it ever happened - lesson learned - move on. 

The irony of this is that Brian Carthy is working away with RTE (annoying us with his really whiny commentary) and Tyrone haven't engaged with them in 7 years. 

Mad stuff. 

It started with the letter about Carthy which I agree was weird and stupid. But that's not the reasons behind the current blackout. MH hand Tyrone have been clear about that.

Due to the portrayal of the said letter, at least one other broadcaster within the organisation acted in a most insensitive manner in the choice of their programme dialogue in a morning radio show soon after. Inappropriate references to the fact that the Tyrone manager Mickey Harte was associated with the Dali Lama conference in Limerick and the choice of the song "Pretty Little Girl from Omagh" will give you an indication of the complete lack of sensitivity the presenter in question afforded the Harte family and Michaela's husband John McAreavey, in what remains for them a very difficult time.

So I fully support MH's decision to deal with RTE as he see's fit.

In fairness, it was reported that the people involved apologised and RTE took action by removing the offending content from their website. 

You say its his decision to deal with RTE as he sees fit.  Should the County Board not have a say, and also the players?

They didn't take any action against their employee. So that says plenty about the conviction behind their apology.

The county board and players have a say. I don't know why you think otherwise?


Firstly, I don't like John Murray.  Bit of a prat on that show and the skit in particular wasn't funny - just a bit crap, which was typical of a lot of his stuff - smart-alecy.   

Now I don't suppose all of the Mickey fans will agree; but I have listened to it on YouTube and I can certainly see how it was certainly clumsy and insensitive in the regard that Murray probably didn't give a second to think about this in the context of his bereavement.   But was it so offensive that it merits a seven year stand-off between RTE and Tyrone GAA - I think not - particularly in the context of the apology and removal of the material. 

But then offence is in the eye of the beholder and it's at this point you need an objective voice like the County Board to step in and sort it out.  It's hard to believe they didn't and its also possible to believe that they did try to sort it out and weren't strong enough. 

Many of the same people that are defending Harte on this, are doing it out of sheer blind loyalty to Tyrone.  If this was to have happened instead to Pete McGrath, Joe Kernan or Jimmy McGuinness I'd love to know their views.   Of course, you'll all say now that you would be completely consistent. 

PS - What action did you want from RTE?  Did you think Murray should be fired? Do you want to dictate RTE HR policy also? :)
Firstly it was more than clumsy. I can't belive anyone, especially someone in media, not realising that the song choice given the circumstances was insensitive. This was six months after Michaela's murder. It should even take 2 seconds to realise that.
Also the county board weren't beheld to MH, but they agreed with the reasons behind it and supported him.
And finally, I don't think it's a case of wanting any action from RTE. They fecked up, did little to make amends. How they handled the situation was within their control and they did what they did. But MH is under no obligation to bow to their needs. As I said before, if an organisation had purposely tried to take the piss out of me and then over stepped the mark. I wouldn't be rushing to help them out anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 20, 2018, 06:29:48 PM
For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins
Matthew 6:14-15

I thought a good God fearing man like micky harte would be more than happy to forgive and move on like he's told to by his friend in the sky  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 20, 2018, 06:32:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 20, 2018, 06:29:48 PM
For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins
Matthew 6:14-15

I thought a good God fearing man like micky harte would be more than happy to forgive and move on like he's told to by his friend in the sky  ::)

Forgiving and Mickey rarely if ever used in the same sentence for some reason!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 20, 2018, 06:57:38 PM
RTE ave been going out of their way to dog abuse into Tyrone for years. It was bad before this episode, but if any apology was genuine you wouldn't see the continued personalized nature of the attacks on our players ever since. It was bad enough before with "puke football" and "Dooher will never win an all-ireland or I'll eat my hat" type shit.

Since then we've had continued attacks of a personal nature that you just don't get with any other team or set of players from RTE. I've seen many a tackle akin to what Cavanagh did to McManus but never once did any others get the litany of personal abuse he was subjected to. I've seen many a player dive, but I've never once seen O'Rourke attack in such a personal nature as I did with mcCann.

Honestly f**k RTE, I've no respect for them and no respect for any of their pundits who engage in that type of behavior. Spillane, ORourke, Brolly were the worst offenders and Lyster sits and lets them at it. Tyrone are still being puncished by them so any half hearted aplology at the time was clearly just lip service.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DEL on August 20, 2018, 07:50:28 PM
There are some sad men on this forum.
We get it you hate Harte and everything he does.
Few ideas to help you:
1. Get over your own petty spiteful vindictive shite
2. Look in a mirror and grow up
3. Seek professional help
4. Remember- No one cares what u think
5. Stop posting it won't help you
6. Do something useful for your club (Tell them who u are first)
7. Look at your own managerial CV and ask what in what universe are you qualified to comment.
8. Go back to 1. and repeat

To everyone else who actually supports Tyrone enjoy the build up and the big day itself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on August 20, 2018, 09:32:09 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 20, 2018, 06:57:38 PM
RTE ave been going out of their way to dog abuse into Tyrone for years. It was bad before this episode, but if any apology was genuine you wouldn't see the continued personalized nature of the attacks on our players ever since. It was bad enough before with "puke football" and "Dooher will never win an all-ireland or I'll eat my hat" type shit.

Since then we've had continued attacks of a personal nature that you just don't get with any other team or set of players from RTE. I've seen many a tackle akin to what Cavanagh did to McManus but never once did any others get the litany of personal abuse he was subjected to. I've seen many a player dive, but I've never once seen O'Rourke attack in such a personal nature as I did with mcCann.

Honestly f**k RTE, I've no respect for them and no respect for any of their pundits who engage in that type of behavior. Spillane, ORourke, Brolly were the worst offenders and Lyster sits and lets them at it. Tyrone are still being puncished by them so any half hearted aplology at the time was clearly just lip service.

Cavanagh seems to have quickly forgiven rte for this litany of personal abuse. I think you are mistaking individuals who work for rte and the company rte. Harte seems to be doing the same. An individual who works for rte made an insensitive mistake and harte can't bring himself to forgive the company who he already had a major grievance against for not promoting his mate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 20, 2018, 10:25:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.

Spreading the message across facebook too, are we?
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/snapchap2018/b_zpsqpekylgx.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 10:36:01 PM
irish news should be interesting 2moro. mickey harte takes aim at a 'cheap shot' or two from certain former players. dont you just love the build up to an all ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 20, 2018, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 20, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I would rather as a County we could have brokered a deal years ago that the County Board would have accommodated RTE by sending some representation to speak on match days and receive Man of the Match awards..... i just think it does not look right....Our County is bigger than one person...... only my opinion....
i think roisin jordan the chairperson attempted this and look what happened her. was there not an agreement in place and when she went to the changing rooms after a game to get someone to do interviews harte fucked her off in front of the whole place. the tyrone county board will do whatever harte tells them to do and thats just the way it is unfortuneatly.


I doubt that happened to be honest...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on August 20, 2018, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 20, 2018, 06:29:48 PM
For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins
Matthew 6:14-15

I thought a good God fearing man like micky harte would be more than happy to forgive and move on like he's told to by his friend in the sky  ::)
Amen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 20, 2018, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2018, 04:23:02 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 19, 2018, 10:30:39 PM
A little bit of reality needed. Tyrone have beaten Monaghan again in Croke park just like 2013 and 2015 only this time in a Semi final. We all know what happened after. The personnel hasn't changed much especially in attack. That's where the problems mainly lay. It's gonna be a tough ask in two weeks.

I agree with you there. Hartes done a great job considering the players at his disposal.
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.

Stop. Just stop right there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 21, 2018, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 10:36:01 PM

irish news should be interesting 2moro. mickey harte takes aim at a 'cheap shot' or two from certain former players. dont you just love the build up to an all ireland final.
You d know all about cheap shots Southtyronegael ( or are you logged in as Thebigdog as I type)
Your friend was nowhere near the standard required Gaelic  football.

Just accept that !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on August 21, 2018, 01:26:47 AM
I personally couldn't care less. RTE is an awful channel by today's standards and will soon be come obsolete if it continues as is. I genuinely don't see how it effects on field performance and we'll be hated anyway. So work away
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 21, 2018, 06:26:02 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 20, 2018, 10:25:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.

Spreading the message across facebook too, are we?
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/snapchap2018/b_zpsqpekylgx.jpg)
yes that's me break open the champagne!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 21, 2018, 08:09:53 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 10:36:01 PM
irish news should be interesting 2moro. mickey harte takes aim at a 'cheap shot' or two from certain former players. dont you just love the build up to an all ireland final.

Don't buy the Irish News - it won't give you anything to criticise Harte over. He was directly asked about ex tyrone players comments. He said he didn't mind criticism but doesn't like cheap shots from former players with nothing to back it up. Don't see anything controversial there at all.

Imagine Tyrone back in their 4th final under Harte and you have the nerve to come on here (as well as facebook) and continue a long campaign of personal abuse at him. You are a disgrace to both your club and county. And you and bigdog or whatever he is called don't speak for the genuine Tyrone fans who support the team all year no matter what you might think.

This all boils down to Eugene McKenna not getting the job and Niall McKenna not making the team. Given Harte's record v McKenna's in management I don't think anyone can argue with the appointment though it should have been handled better. Niall McKenna was an excellent minor but injuries and other factors meant he was never able to push on at senior level. Harte was more than fair to him with plenty of games and held him in the panel for a few years when he was out injured. You have become obsessed with Harte over this and it's seriously not healthy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 21, 2018, 08:30:19 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 21, 2018, 08:09:53 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 20, 2018, 10:36:01 PM
irish news should be interesting 2moro. mickey harte takes aim at a 'cheap shot' or two from certain former players. dont you just love the build up to an all ireland final.

Don't buy the Irish News - it won't give you anything to criticise Harte over. He was directly asked about ex tyrone players comments. He said he didn't mind criticism but doesn't like cheap shots from former players with nothing to back it up. Don't see anything controversial there at all.

Imagine Tyrone back in their 4th final under Harte and you have the nerve to come on here (as well as facebook) and continue a long campaign of personal abuse at him. You are a disgrace to both your club and county. And you and bigdog or whatever he is called don't speak for the genuine Tyrone fans who support the team all year no matter what you might think.

This all boils down to Eugene McKenna not getting the job and Niall McKenna not making the team. Given Harte's record v McKenna's in management I don't think anyone can argue with the appointment though it should have been handled better. Niall McKenna was an excellent minor but injuries and other factors meant he was never able to push on at senior level. Harte was more than fair to him with plenty of games and held him in the panel for a few years when he was out injured. You have become obsessed with Harte over this and it's seriously not healthy.

Really? What are you basing that on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 21, 2018, 08:53:02 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/45250319
Mickey Harte 'happy' as Tyrone maintain RTE boycott for All-Ireland Final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 09:00:21 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 21, 2018, 08:53:02 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/45250319
Mickey Harte 'happy' as Tyrone maintain RTE boycott for All-Ireland Final

Good enough, it was still a highly insensitive thing that RTE & John Murray done, I can see why Mickey Harte is still bitter about it after all these years and rightly so. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 21, 2018, 09:37:46 AM
I think Tyrone fans had a right to be critical of the management and team in the early part of the championship especially after the meltdown against Dublin last August. since the Meath game Mickey Harte and the players have completely turned things around and fair play to them for proving a lot of people wrong. the personal abuse though that still continues from some folk here is ridiculous and well out of order.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 21, 2018, 06:26:02 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 20, 2018, 10:25:00 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Why do you think their are problems in attack? Mickey s poor tactics. The RTE boycott has been going on now since 2011 for no apparent reason other than Mickey didn't like getting ridiculed because his bestie didn't get a big job on the TV station. Looks like Harte comes first in Tyrone and f**k the players and their moment in the sun.

Spreading the message across facebook too, are we?
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/snapchap2018/b_zpsqpekylgx.jpg)
yes that's me break open the champagne!!
Now we're getting places, B. Time to accept that 'southtyronegael' is you also? Or are you still going to deny that, even after that little mix up with the logins last week?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
Don't be such a p***k Redhand88.  Are you 12?  You and a few others on here have been an absolute embarrassment to real Tyrone people! Some the stuff you have come out with since the Donegal game has been pure horse shit.
Hopefully the mods do their job.
It seems this applies to Snapchap aswell. Sad act
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
Don't be such a p***k Redhand88.  Are you 12?  You and a few others on here have been an absolute embarrassment to real Tyrone people! Some the stuff you have come out with since the Donegal game has been pure horse shit.
Hopefully the mods do their job.
It seems this applies to Snapchap aswell. Sad act

A sad act? What have I done? I haven't revealed anyone's identity. Mind you it is tempting to do so. It's something I would never even be tempted to do for anyone on this site with the exception of thebigdog (aka southtyronegael). I cannot abide cowards using a fake name online to dish out personal abuse about named GAA people. Criticise Harte all you want about football, but this contributor has a long history of making some seriously uncalled for, personally abusive comments about Harte on issues not even remotely related to the GAA. A cowardly little sc**bag that lives for doing that sort of thing to a fellow GAA person deserves to be named and shamed.

I wont name the person here, but if anyone feels like it, go for it. Perhaps it might entice the lowlife to stop using online anonymity to essentially attempt to bully and belittle people out in the real world.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 21, 2018, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
Don't be such a p***k Redhand88.  Are you 12?  You and a few others on here have been an absolute embarrassment to real Tyrone people! Some the stuff you have come out with since the Donegal game has been pure horse shit.
Hopefully the mods do their job.



It seems this applies to Snapchap aswell. Sad act

A sad act? What have I done? I haven't revealed anyone's identity. Mind you it is tempting to do so. It's something I would never even be tempted to do for anyone on this site with the exception of thebigdog (aka southtyronegael). I cannot abide cowards using a fake name online to dish out personal abuse about named GAA people. Criticise Harte all you want about football, but this contributor has a long history of making some seriously uncalled for, personally abusive comments about Harte on issues not even remotely related to the GAA. A cowardly little sc**bag that lives for doing that sort of thing to a fellow GAA person deserves to be named and shamed.

I wont name the person here, but if anyone feels like it, go for it. Perhaps it might entice the lowlife to stop using online anonymity to essentially attempt to bully and belittle people out in the real world.


That's enough internet for one day pal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
Don't be such a p***k Redhand88.  Are you 12?  You and a few others on here have been an absolute embarrassment to real Tyrone people! Some the stuff you have come out with since the Donegal game has been pure horse shit.
Hopefully the mods do their job.
It seems this applies to Snapchap aswell. Sad act

A sad act? What have I done? I haven't revealed anyone's identity. Mind you it is tempting to do so. It's something I would never even be tempted to do for anyone on this site with the exception of thebigdog (aka southtyronegael). I cannot abide cowards using a fake name online to dish out personal abuse about named GAA people. Criticise Harte all you want about football, but this contributor has a long history of making some seriously uncalled for, personally abusive comments about Harte on issues not even remotely related to the GAA. A cowardly little sc**bag that lives for doing that sort of thing to a fellow GAA person deserves to be named and shamed.

I wont name the person here, but if anyone feels like it, go for it. Perhaps it might entice the lowlife to stop using online anonymity to essentially attempt to bully and belittle people out in the real world.

Funny that, your post seems to have changed from when I seen it last. The name seems to have disappeared? Firstly, the whole point of the forum is anonymity or did you miss that when you signed up? Secondly, you and the rest of the cronies drawing up conspiracy theory sh**e about people using two accounts, you go home and let it bother you that much that you  feel the need to act like a vigilante, to me, that makes you a sad act. Not everyone thinks the sun shines out of hartes arse. Get over it. And no I'm not his third account before you start rambling that nonsense too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on August 21, 2018, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 21, 2018, 08:53:02 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/45250319
Mickey Harte 'happy' as Tyrone maintain RTE boycott for All-Ireland Final

"Keyboard warriors wasting their time - Harte"

What's wrong with Keyboard Warriors?  :(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 21, 2018, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
Don't be such a p***k Redhand88.  Are you 12?  You and a few others on here have been an absolute embarrassment to real Tyrone people! Some the stuff you have come out with since the Donegal game has been pure horse shit.
Hopefully the mods do their job.
It seems this applies to Snapchap aswell. Sad act

A sad act? What have I done? I haven't revealed anyone's identity. Mind you it is tempting to do so. It's something I would never even be tempted to do for anyone on this site with the exception of thebigdog (aka southtyronegael). I cannot abide cowards using a fake name online to dish out personal abuse about named GAA people. Criticise Harte all you want about football, but this contributor has a long history of making some seriously uncalled for, personally abusive comments about Harte on issues not even remotely related to the GAA. A cowardly little sc**bag that lives for doing that sort of thing to a fellow GAA person deserves to be named and shamed.

I wont name the person here, but if anyone feels like it, go for it. Perhaps it might entice the lowlife to stop using online anonymity to essentially attempt to bully and belittle people out in the real world.
Christian Mickey Harte still won't accept an apology from a perceived insult by RTE seven years ago. IL just leave that there lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 01:31:26 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
Don't be such a p***k Redhand88.  Are you 12?  You and a few others on here have been an absolute embarrassment to real Tyrone people! Some the stuff you have come out with since the Donegal game has been pure horse shit.
Hopefully the mods do their job.
It seems this applies to Snapchap aswell. Sad act

A sad act? What have I done? I haven't revealed anyone's identity. Mind you it is tempting to do so. It's something I would never even be tempted to do for anyone on this site with the exception of thebigdog (aka southtyronegael). I cannot abide cowards using a fake name online to dish out personal abuse about named GAA people. Criticise Harte all you want about football, but this contributor has a long history of making some seriously uncalled for, personally abusive comments about Harte on issues not even remotely related to the GAA. A cowardly little sc**bag that lives for doing that sort of thing to a fellow GAA person deserves to be named and shamed.

I wont name the person here, but if anyone feels like it, go for it. Perhaps it might entice the lowlife to stop using online anonymity to essentially attempt to bully and belittle people out in the real world.

Funny that, your post seems to have changed from when I seen it last. The name seems to have disappeared? Firstly, the whole point of the forum is anonymity or did you miss that when you signed up? Secondly, you and the rest of the cronies drawing up conspiracy theory sh**e about people using two accounts, you go home and let it bother you that much that you  feel the need to act like a vigilante, to me, that makes you a sad act. Not everyone thinks the sun shines out of hartes arse. Get over it. And no I'm not his third account before you start rambling that nonsense too.
Nope. Only part of a name was posted. A first name. A very common name so not revealing anyone's identity.

And if you were familiar with my posts you would know I'm not a big fan of Harte let alone "thinking the sun shines out of his arse".

I am simply stating that I have no time for little cowards hiding behind anonymity to personally abuse named individuals, let alone GAA people. It's petty, vindictive, cowardly bullying and a form of bullying that has as much potential to cause serious upset to the family of the abused person as much as to the person himself and any little cowardly rat that takes pleasure in doing it deserves to be exposed.

Theres something perverse about asking mods to protect someone who uses this forum to regularly personally abuse a person on matters totally non related to football,but not askimg the mods to deal with the person for their behaviour.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 01:31:26 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
Don't be such a p***k Redhand88.  Are you 12?  You and a few others on here have been an absolute embarrassment to real Tyrone people! Some the stuff you have come out with since the Donegal game has been pure horse shit.
Hopefully the mods do their job.
It seems this applies to Snapchap aswell. Sad act

A sad act? What have I done? I haven't revealed anyone's identity. Mind you it is tempting to do so. It's something I would never even be tempted to do for anyone on this site with the exception of thebigdog (aka southtyronegael). I cannot abide cowards using a fake name online to dish out personal abuse about named GAA people. Criticise Harte all you want about football, but this contributor has a long history of making some seriously uncalled for, personally abusive comments about Harte on issues not even remotely related to the GAA. A cowardly little sc**bag that lives for doing that sort of thing to a fellow GAA person deserves to be named and shamed.

I wont name the person here, but if anyone feels like it, go for it. Perhaps it might entice the lowlife to stop using online anonymity to essentially attempt to bully and belittle people out in the real world.

Funny that, your post seems to have changed from when I seen it last. The name seems to have disappeared? Firstly, the whole point of the forum is anonymity or did you miss that when you signed up? Secondly, you and the rest of the cronies drawing up conspiracy theory sh**e about people using two accounts, you go home and let it bother you that much that you  feel the need to act like a vigilante, to me, that makes you a sad act. Not everyone thinks the sun shines out of hartes arse. Get over it. And no I'm not his third account before you start rambling that nonsense too.
Nope. Only part of a name was posted. A first name. A very common name so not revealing anyone's identity.

And if you were familiar with my posts you would know I'm not a big fan of Harte let alone "thinking the sun shines out of his arse".

I am simply stating that I have no time for little cowards hiding behind anonymity to personally abuse named individuals, let alone GAA people. It's petty, vindictive, cowardly bullying and a form of bullying that has as much potential to cause serious upset to the family of the abused person as much as to the person himself and any little cowardly rat that takes pleasure in doing it deserves to be exposed.

Theres something perverse about asking mods to protect someone who uses this forum to regularly personally abuse a person on matters totally non related to football,but not askimg the mods to deal with the person for their behaviour.
Actually what I told you was to get over the fact that not everyone does. The fact you showed a fb post and used it to back up is sort of contradictory to your anonymity argument if he's posting the same stuff on a social media site with his name on it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?

Not really but here we are I guess, nobody said this world was perfect mate.

Im a Mickey Harte fan for what its worth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 08:04:49 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 01:31:26 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on August 21, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
Don't be such a p***k Redhand88.  Are you 12?  You and a few others on here have been an absolute embarrassment to real Tyrone people! Some the stuff you have come out with since the Donegal game has been pure horse shit.
Hopefully the mods do their job.
It seems this applies to Snapchap aswell. Sad act

A sad act? What have I done? I haven't revealed anyone's identity. Mind you it is tempting to do so. It's something I would never even be tempted to do for anyone on this site with the exception of thebigdog (aka southtyronegael). I cannot abide cowards using a fake name online to dish out personal abuse about named GAA people. Criticise Harte all you want about football, but this contributor has a long history of making some seriously uncalled for, personally abusive comments about Harte on issues not even remotely related to the GAA. A cowardly little sc**bag that lives for doing that sort of thing to a fellow GAA person deserves to be named and shamed.

I wont name the person here, but if anyone feels like it, go for it. Perhaps it might entice the lowlife to stop using online anonymity to essentially attempt to bully and belittle people out in the real world.

Funny that, your post seems to have changed from when I seen it last. The name seems to have disappeared? Firstly, the whole point of the forum is anonymity or did you miss that when you signed up? Secondly, you and the rest of the cronies drawing up conspiracy theory sh**e about people using two accounts, you go home and let it bother you that much that you  feel the need to act like a vigilante, to me, that makes you a sad act. Not everyone thinks the sun shines out of hartes arse. Get over it. And no I'm not his third account before you start rambling that nonsense too.
Nope. Only part of a name was posted. A first name. A very common name so not revealing anyone's identity.

And if you were familiar with my posts you would know I'm not a big fan of Harte let alone "thinking the sun shines out of his arse".

I am simply stating that I have no time for little cowards hiding behind anonymity to personally abuse named individuals, let alone GAA people. It's petty, vindictive, cowardly bullying and a form of bullying that has as much potential to cause serious upset to the family of the abused person as much as to the person himself and any little cowardly rat that takes pleasure in doing it deserves to be exposed.

Theres something perverse about asking mods to protect someone who uses this forum to regularly personally abuse a person on matters totally non related to football,but not askimg the mods to deal with the person for their behaviour.
Actually what I told you was to get over the fact that not everyone does. The fact you showed a fb post and used it to back up is sort of contradictory to your anonymity argument if he's posting the same stuff on a social media site with his name on it?
No really, no. The content of the facebook post was not something I had as much of an issue with and I have withthe more personal, vindictive abuse being posted anonymously under his two accounts here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?

Not really but here we are I guess, nobody said this world was perfect mate.

Im a Mickey Harte fan for what its worth.

Nor did I say it was perfect. But sure wouldn't it be that bit better if we didnt have people hiding behind online anonymity to personally abuse named GAA people? And sure wouldn't it be a small bit better if those who speak out against that sort of behaviour weren't mocked as "white knights" for doing so?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 22, 2018, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?

Not really but here we are I guess, nobody said this world was perfect mate.

Im a Mickey Harte fan for what its worth.

Nor did I say it was perfect. But sure wouldn't it be that bit better if we didnt have people hiding behind online anonymity to personally abuse named GAA people? And sure wouldn't it be a small bit better if those who speak out against that sort of behaviour weren't mocked as "white knights" for doing so?
It's not I and others who bring this forum down. It's you pal!  Accusing me of bullying Mickey Harte. Is Mickey on this thread on a regular basis? Are you Mickey Harte? What exactly have I said that is bullying? You just seem to come out with the same crap. The problem is you don't like what I have to say and if their is bullying or abusive behaviour on my part I would be put off this forum quicker than you can say "Sean Cavanagh s book will fly off the shelves!" Harte might be able to control the Irish News, RTE or any other media because that's what I would call BULLYING. He won't be controlling me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2018, 10:09:50 AM
For anyone interested in a bit of humour here is a selection of thebigdog quotes prior the qualifiers:

IL be hoping for a Meath win on Saturday. Let's just call it tough love.

I'm really hoping on Saturday Colm Cavanagh collects the ball in his own full back line, turns and shoots into his own net. Then moonwalks over to Harte and Devlin in the Tyrone dugout, arms out  and shouts woooo like the WWE wrestler ric flair... that would be so cool and so badass. Please do it Colm!!

So after a morning of debate on the matter, we've all come to the conclusion that it is greedy, selfish Sean Cavanagh s fault Tyrone will struggle to the super 8s! Someone hand me the oxygen mask I'm falling over laughing. The best thing Colm Cavanagh can do now in solidarity with his brother is walk out of this road to nowhere. Harte out.

I don't want to hear anymore crap about how great a player Peter Harte would be on the noughties team, the Dublin team, the Kerry team or any other bloody team. The only team that matters is the Tyrone seniors 2018. A player who in my eyes is not a team leader, a player who goes missing in action more often than not. Anyone who wants to understand why Mickey Harte plays his rigid system it is too purely accommodate his nephew who a don't think would fancy too much man to man  football as has been proven since last August. As the system has been found out, teams simply man mark him. Mickey s nephew is not up to it.  Never will be, and the red card on Sunday was a disgrace.

IL say one thing, and this has been proven in history the world over getting rid of a dictator has been always been a messy affair. I don't think we can underestimate how bad a place Tyrone are in at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 22, 2018, 10:11:40 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?

But if he is saying the same on social media under his own name he is hardly using anoymity. I'm not sure you understand how an internet forum works.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2018, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 22, 2018, 10:11:40 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?

But if he is saying the same on social media under his own name he is hardly using anoymity. I'm not sure you understand how an internet forum works.

The admin should have banned both accounts long ago. Anyone signing up to post hundreds of messages criticising/abusing one individual should be banned. He has totally ruined this thread and clearly is not a Tyrone supporter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 22, 2018, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 22, 2018, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?

Not really but here we are I guess, nobody said this world was perfect mate.

Im a Mickey Harte fan for what its worth.

Nor did I say it was perfect. But sure wouldn't it be that bit better if we didnt have people hiding behind online anonymity to personally abuse named GAA people? And sure wouldn't it be a small bit better if those who speak out against that sort of behaviour weren't mocked as "white knights" for doing so?
It's not I and others who bring this forum down. It's you pal!  Accusing me of bullying Mickey Harte. Is Mickey on this thread on a regular basis? Are you Mickey Harte? What exactly have I said that is bullying? You just seem to come out with the same crap. The problem is you don't like what I have to say and if their is bullying or abusive behaviour on my part I would be put off this forum quicker than you can say "Sean Cavanagh s book will fly off the shelves!" Harte might be able to control the Irish News, RTE or any other media because that's what I would call BULLYING. He won't be controlling me.

You have repeatedly mocked him for his religious beliefs, for one thing. Since when does such abusive behaviour count as rational, valid criticism on a football thread?

And no, I am not Mickey Harte. Online abuse does't just have the potential to hurt the person you are bullying. That person's innocent family and friends have the potential to be hurt just as much, if not more, than the intended target by anonymous online abuse. And no, I'm not a relation or friend of Mickey Harte. I am just someone who knows the effect bullying can have and who knows a bully when I hear one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 22, 2018, 10:43:35 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 22, 2018, 10:11:40 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 21, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
A quick scan through your posts SnapChat and you are quite the white knight.  Your doing a brilliant job son, a brilliant job.

Are you OK with people using online anonymity to personally abuse/bully named GAA people?

But if he is saying the same on social media under his own name he is hardly using anoymity. I'm not sure you understand how an internet forum works.

He isn't saying the same abusive things on social media (as far as I can see). He is using his anonymous profiles here for that. Like all bullies, he is a coward.

P.s. here's a sample of the stuff being poisted on his other account, which apparently is also not abusive:



ON MICKEY HARTE:
"arrogant":
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 11:42:56 PM
arrogance of the highest order...time for either the tyrone county board or gaa hierarchy to take this chancer down a peg or two.

'no credibility':
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 11:36:40 PM
he just using the gaa to give himself some credibility which he has none.

A "bully":
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 11:58:26 PM
id face down harte the same way all bullies should be faced down.

A 'Religious Fundameltalist':
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 23, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
to be expected to say prayers at the behest of one religious fundamentalist is surely wrong?

A "religious zealot":
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2018, 02:32:19 PM
I think Il wear my Tyrone jersey to the next pro choice rally. Just to show we aren't all religious zealots. #tyrone4choice.

Having his 'head up his hole':
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2017, 12:50:16 PM
you have ur head as far up ur hole as mickey Harte does

A hypocrite:
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 06, 2017, 02:18:26 PM
I see hypocrite Harte on the back page of Irish news today

A 'dictator':
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 20, 2017, 09:27:51 PM
once again mickey harte putting himself first and everything else in the county second. is no one going to stand up to this dictator? destroying tyrone football club and county.

A 'fraud':
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 12:05:18 AM
harte is a fraud.

And to cap it all off, you made an unsubstantialted allegation about a matter which Roisin Jordan stated she is actually seeking legal advice over:
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 04, 2017, 11:18:25 AM
No Tyrone player sent an email to newstalk. Mickey Harte sent it to discredit rosin Jordan and it has backfired big time.


ON GAVIN DEVLIN::
A 'moron':
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 03, 2017, 12:05:18 AM
he replaced donnelly with a moron called gavin devlin and between the 2 of them have been found out tactically and have managed to drag the good name of tyrone football through the dirt


ON THE MCCANN BROTHERS::
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 21, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Too interested in hairstyles and tans to get stuck in on a football field.


ON THE TEAMTALK MEN::
"fuckin pathetic":
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
was that noel mc ginn from ttm doing that interview? fuckin pathetic the whole lot of them.
Also a quote where you described the Teamtalk men as "money grabbing f**king arselickers".


ON RONAN MCNAMEE::
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 19, 2017, 08:01:04 PM
was always wondering why mc namee was being pushed forward to do all the irish news interviews and media work. he in the paper today talking about the team saying the rosary before every game and he thinks its great cause he goes go mass every sunday and before games anyway. embarressing stuff


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2018, 10:53:39 AM
Any chance of a bit of football chat on here ahead of the game. I'd posted this on the other thread:

It's great after a 10 year wait to have Tyrone part of the build up to an All Ireland final. No one might be giving us a chance but I'm sure we'll go down and give it a good go. We have a pretty good record in All Ireland finals across the grades since we made the u21 breakthrough in 1990. I think we've played in something like 19 finals since then (u17, minor, u21 and senior) and won 15 and drew one. Many of the current team have started on underage winning teams. So I don't think Tyrone will over awed by the sense of occasion.

We are playing one of the greatest teams ever to play the game so of course nothing is going to be easy and the players will have to play to their maximum ability and get a bit of luck to have a chance. We seen last year and in other games that putting 15 men behind the ball no longer works against the Dubs, they are too good at working scores. We are going to have to go man for man quite a bit with maybe only Colm Cavanagh playing as an out and out sweeper. From free kicks and occasions where we find a lot of players up the pitch we are going to have to push very hard on their kick out and see can Cluxton be broken. However, there will be times when it is best to concede it.

So what team would everyone start for the final and who would you match up? I'm going with the following:

Morgan
R Brennan (v Rock)
McNamee (v O'Callaghan)
McGeary (v Mannion)
McCann (v Howard)
Donnelly (v Kilkenny)
McKernan (v Scully)
Cavanagh (sweeper similar to O'Suillivan on Dublin team)
Hampsey (v Fenton)
Burns (v McCarthy)
Sludden (v Murchan)
Meyler (v McCaffrey)
Harte (v Small) - play him inside quite a bit
Bradley (v Cooper)
McAliskey (v McMahon)

I'd leave McAliskey and Harte up the pitch quite a bit. Small fouls Harte all day long so let him do it in front of goal where it will be noticed and scoreable frees awarded. Let Bradley drift in and out. That leaves us with Brennan, Loughran, R Donnelly, McShane, C McCann, HP McGeary to come during the second half. At that stage as it opens up maybe push Harte further out the pitch. If we are to have a chance our half back line and midfield needs to have a huge game defensively and still help drive the team forward.

On paper the Dubs definitely have a stronger team. But there is quite a few tussles there that we are capable of breaking even or shading on the day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on August 22, 2018, 11:19:27 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-tyrone-must-challenge-dublin-s-extremist-game-plan-1.3602290

what Jim thinks we need to do....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 22, 2018, 11:38:26 AM
I would hope Harte or Horse or someone would come out in the media and ask for protection for Peter Harte from the officials on the run up to this. Dublin have to be called for their cynicism - Harte takes alot of abuse from the Dubs usually as they target him as a key player. That night in Omagh when Dublin where starting to panic a little I kept an eye on Harte for the last 5. The amount of times his run was forced to a stop and he was physically wrestled to the ground off the ball was serious.... but then again Dublin don't do that do they???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 22, 2018, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on August 22, 2018, 11:19:27 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-tyrone-must-challenge-dublin-s-extremist-game-plan-1.3602290

what Jim thinks we need to do....

Did we not try to do that last year? The Uber defensive tactic is all based on the assumption that Dublin never try to break the line. Dublin are masters at playing it around and if their players aren't finding space they will take the ball into contact and generate a free, bouyed on by a huge roar from the Hill and usually a willing ref. Rock invariably scores. They will keep the scoreboard ticking over, granted at a slower pace but most crucially at a much faster pace than we will be able to. This is all ok if we want to put in a respectable performance scoreboard wise and not facing a game over scenario with half the game to play. But last year proved that it just takes a few slip ups in this style and we are 5 behind and with that tactic it's game over. I hope we attack them further up the pitch, hound Kilkenny, Fenton and McCaffery everywhere they go. Get in the faces of Rock, Mannion and Scully. Make Dublin fight for EVERY ball all over the pitch and just test whether they really are up for a battle. Remember, they haven't had one in nearly a year. We've had battles in Omagh, Navan, Ballybofey and Croke Park already this year. We also need to make the ref make decisions on their 'close attention' to Sludden, Donnelly and Harte. If that means moving them into full forward in front of the umpires, starting a row so both get booked or whatever but we have to stop them pulling and dragging all day long.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 11:54:47 AM
Quote from: WT4E on August 22, 2018, 11:38:26 AM
I would hope Harte or Horse or someone would come out in the media and ask for protection for Peter Harte from the officials on the run up to this. Dublin have to be called for their cynicism - Harte takes alot of abuse from the Dubs usually as they target him as a key player. That night in Omagh when Dublin where starting to panic a little I kept an eye on Harte for the last 5. The amount of times his run was forced to a stop and he was physically wrestled to the ground off the ball was serious.... but then again Dublin don't do that do they???

Ditto with Sludden. They were both targeted that night, weren't allowed to make the usual but busting runs they usually do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 22, 2018, 12:14:51 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on August 22, 2018, 11:19:27 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-tyrone-must-challenge-dublin-s-extremist-game-plan-1.3602290

what Jim thinks we need to do....
Jim turning football into a science project again. I don't understand why Tyrone can't go man to man with Dublin just like Mayo. We have the athletes to compete. Would Ciaran Kilkenny enjoy having Conor Meyler for company all day? You could easily get the match ups right. What Tyrone can do and should have been doing years ago is getting Colm Cavanagh into full forward and getting stuck into that dodgy defence. This would certainly put pressure on cluxton and his kickouts. Let's keep it simple Jim and give us something to be proud of in Tyrone again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 22, 2018, 12:26:11 PM
We also need guys to step up and go beyond what they've ever done before. E.g. the snarling Joe McMahon completely psyching out Tommy Walsh or Ryan Mellon kicking two points in 6 mins before Kerry realised that they'd need to mark him and he was a threat. Conor Gormley flinging himself into block a ball that announced him as one of the best defenders of his era. These things break the heart of the opposition and if we can get Cathal McShane kicking two points and getting in the face of Brian Fenton all afternoon or McKernan cleaning out Rock or Ritchie Donnelly tormenting the Dublin full back line and kicking 1-2 before Lee Brennan does a Mugsy then we are in business.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:29:12 PM
I'm beginning to believe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on August 22, 2018, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:29:12 PM
I'm beginning to believe.

It's the hope that kills you!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 22, 2018, 12:40:20 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on August 22, 2018, 11:19:27 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-tyrone-must-challenge-dublin-s-extremist-game-plan-1.3602290

what Jim thinks we need to do....

His point on Kilkenny is vital, the one team / player that's ever got in his face? Mayo and Lee Keegan - the only team to give them a serious game since Donegal.

Hampsey seems to be the go to marker now - I must admit it has the makings of a good battle but I don't believe Harte will go ahead with that matchup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 22, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2018, 10:53:39 AM
Any chance of a bit of football chat on here ahead of the game. I'd posted this on the other thread:

It's great after a 10 year wait to have Tyrone part of the build up to an All Ireland final. No one might be giving us a chance but I'm sure we'll go down and give it a good go. We have a pretty good record in All Ireland finals across the grades since we made the u21 breakthrough in 1990. I think we've played in something like 19 finals since then (u17, minor, u21 and senior) and won 15 and drew one. Many of the current team have started on underage winning teams. So I don't think Tyrone will over awed by the sense of occasion.

We are playing one of the greatest teams ever to play the game so of course nothing is going to be easy and the players will have to play to their maximum ability and get a bit of luck to have a chance. We seen last year and in other games that putting 15 men behind the ball no longer works against the Dubs, they are too good at working scores. We are going to have to go man for man quite a bit with maybe only Colm Cavanagh playing as an out and out sweeper. From free kicks and occasions where we find a lot of players up the pitch we are going to have to push very hard on their kick out and see can Cluxton be broken. However, there will be times when it is best to concede it.

So what team would everyone start for the final and who would you match up? I'm going with the following:

Morgan
R Brennan (v Rock)
McNamee (v O'Callaghan)
McGeary (v Mannion)
McCann (v Howard)
Donnelly (v Kilkenny)
McKernan (v Scully)
Cavanagh (sweeper similar to O'Suillivan on Dublin team)
Hampsey (v Fenton)
Burns (v McCarthy)
Sludden (v Murchan)
Meyler (v McCaffrey)
Harte (v Small) - play him inside quite a bit
Bradley (v Cooper)
McAliskey (v McMahon)

I'd leave McAliskey and Harte up the pitch quite a bit. Small fouls Harte all day long so let him do it in front of goal where it will be noticed and scoreable frees awarded. Let Bradley drift in and out. That leaves us with Brennan, Loughran, R Donnelly, McShane, C McCann, HP McGeary to come during the second half. At that stage as it opens up maybe push Harte further out the pitch. If we are to have a chance our half back line and midfield needs to have a huge game defensively and still help drive the team forward.

On paper the Dubs definitely have a stronger team. But there is quite a few tussles there that we are capable of breaking even or shading on the day.

It's a big ask for Meyler to come in and follow Kilkenny after being out for the guts of 6 weeks. Can't see Burns making it. I reckon Hampsey will pick up O'Callaghan, with Donnelly and Fenton going at it in the middle of the field. Funny thats the only match-up where I see that we have an advantage. The rest we are probably second fiddle and will need a mammoth effort to get over the line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?

Tempted myself. The City West website says the function room holds a whopping 800 people. You could end up sitting half a mile from the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on August 22, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
ffs lads we are in an AI final, just f**king enjoy the next few weeks, the hype, the buzz the overall good feeling of being at the biggest show piece ye can be in football Ireland. The team has beat all in front of them (bar 2 top3 teams - one of which is one of the all time great teams) out of the 8 or 9 decent teams we've played - this has been a great year with massive score lines and it could be seismic if they get it right in 2 weeks and I am convincing myself that they can do it. I'm not buying into the Dublin are cruising - there was a few of their big guns completely out on their feet and worried at the end of the super 8 game and I think that if Tyrone take the lessons and have the game of their lives and Dublin are off abit then there is going to be some party.

On Harte, I don't agree with a lot of his way of doing things but his record is untouchable in Ulster in the last 20 years and only 1 or 2 managers can come near him in that time, so some of the stuff said on here is laughable - lighten up, get behind the team and management enjoy the ride for the next few weeks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 22, 2018, 09:16:54 PM
Tyrones biggest problem with winning against Dublin will be to get Sludden and Harte into the game as much as possible. Murchan and Small had them out of the game in Healy and small has had particular success in snuffing harte out. Obvious thing would be to try and push them further forward but whatever Harte does he needs to ensure these two are in the game and not the periphery for Tyrone to have a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 22, 2018, 09:37:45 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on August 22, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
ffs lads we are in an AI final, just f**king enjoy the next few weeks, the hype, the buzz the overall good feeling of being at the biggest show piece ye can be in football Ireland.

Absolutely! These are great times. Our 6th ever All Ireland final just bloody enjoy it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 22, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?
Go for it lads, and stay down the night before too. I remember there was great craic the night before in 03.
Tempted myself. The City West website says the function room holds a whopping 800 people. You could end up sitting half a mile from the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 22, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?
Go for it lads, and stay down the night before too. I remember there was great craic the night before in 03.
Tempted myself. The City West website says the function room holds a whopping 800 people. You could end up sitting half a mile from the team.

Staying down both nights myself. Where is there to go nowadays in Dublin either night that would be a GAA atmosphere that isn't coppers?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on August 23, 2018, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 22, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?
Go for it lads, and stay down the night before too. I remember there was great craic the night before in 03.
Tempted myself. The City West website says the function room holds a whopping 800 people. You could end up sitting half a mile from the team.

Staying down both nights myself. Where is there to go nowadays in Dublin either night that would be a GAA atmosphere that isn't coppers?
Flannerys?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 23, 2018, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 22, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?
Go for it lads, and stay down the night before too. I remember there was great craic the night before in 03.
Tempted myself. The City West website says the function room holds a whopping 800 people. You could end up sitting half a mile from the team.

Staying down both nights myself. Where is there to go nowadays in Dublin either night that would be a GAA atmosphere that isn't coppers?

Croke Park Hotel bar or City West front Bar
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 23, 2018, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 22, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?
Go for it lads, and stay down the night before too. I remember there was great craic the night before in 03.
Tempted myself. The City West website says the function room holds a whopping 800 people. You could end up sitting half a mile from the team.

Staying down both nights myself. Where is there to go nowadays in Dublin either night that would be a GAA atmosphere that isn't coppers?

Boars Head on Capel Street a great GAA bar!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 23, 2018, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: bogball88 on August 23, 2018, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 22, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?
Go for it lads, and stay down the night before too. I remember there was great craic the night before in 03.
Tempted myself. The City West website says the function room holds a whopping 800 people. You could end up sitting half a mile from the team.

Staying down both nights myself. Where is there to go nowadays in Dublin either night that would be a GAA atmosphere that isn't coppers?
Flannerys?
Great spot
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 23, 2018, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: bogball88 on August 23, 2018, 08:52:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 22, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Alot of complaining done about the banquet tickets being £100. I thought that wasn't bad compared to other galas.

What is the banquet like? Thinking of going but would like to hear from anyone that has been to all Ireland banquet. Is there much craic or are you stuck in an awful set far away from the team?
Go for it lads, and stay down the night before too. I remember there was great craic the night before in 03.
Tempted myself. The City West website says the function room holds a whopping 800 people. You could end up sitting half a mile from the team.

Staying down both nights myself. Where is there to go nowadays in Dublin either night that would be a GAA atmosphere that isn't coppers?
Flannerys?
Yeah flannerys always good AI weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 23, 2018, 10:55:01 AM
Hi lads/lassies can we beat Dublin... I don't want to get carried away with the hype/buzz that surrounds an All Ireland final.... in a 2 horse race we always have a chance.... I don't think at this stage we can confidently say we have improved on last year, sometimes it looks as if we have sometimes looks like we have not.... I suspect Dublin to push a little further up the field and foul around 45/50metres and put serious pressure on our free takers who we just can hope have a great day... Mickey is in a catch 22 position, if we push up we could get destroyed or like Mayo for 2 years put Dublin to the pin of their collar... or sit back and hope we are in the game last 10 and go for it.... I have said all year the Dubs don't look as formidable as previous years I hope we get our tactics spot on to capitalise on any weakness they might have!!!! 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 23, 2018, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 23, 2018, 10:55:01 AM
Hi lads/lassies can we beat Dublin... I don't want to get carried away with the hype/buzz that surrounds an All Ireland final.... in a 2 horse race we always have a chance.... I don't think at this stage we can confidently say we have improved on last year, sometimes it looks as if we have sometimes looks like we have not.... I suspect Dublin to push a little further up the field and foul around 45/50metres and put serious pressure on our free takers who we just can hope have a great day... Mickey is in a catch 22 position, if we push up we could get destroyed or like Mayo for 2 years put Dublin to the pin of their collar... or sit back and hope we are in the game last 10 and go for it.... I have said all year the Dubs don't look as formidable as previous years I hope we get our tactics spot on to capitalise on any weakness they might have!!!!

Absolutely... IF we go ahead early on. Only way I can see us win is if we blitzkrieg them in the first 10 or 15mins and get 4 points up. Then set up to frustrate them and watch them pass back and forward along the 45 which they love to do. Let them take chances and leave themselves exposed allowing us just to keep the scoreboard ticking over.
If they grab an early goal (a la 2017 semi) and it will be very VERY difficult to get back in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on August 23, 2018, 12:23:38 PM
With regards set pieces next weekend, who do Tyrone appoint there 'free' taker. In my opinion this could be the difference between winning and losing. Mcaliskey has been hot and cold all year, Morgan is capable, but one or 2 early misses and his head drops (especially if the hill have anything to do with it). Brennan would be my choice if he starts but this is looking evermore unlikely given his performance v Monaghan.  We know that if dublin get a free anywhere from the 45 and in, Dean Rock can slot them over with his eyes closed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 23, 2018, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on August 23, 2018, 12:23:38 PM
With regards set pieces next weekend, who do Tyrone appoint there 'free' taker. In my opinion this could be the difference between winning and losing. Mcaliskey has been hot and cold all year, Morgan is capable, but one or 2 early misses and his head drops (especially if the hill have anything to do with it). Brennan would be my choice if he starts but this is looking evermore unlikely given his performance v Monaghan.  We know that if dublin get a free anywhere from the 45 and in, Dean Rock can slot them over with his eyes closed.

I don't think Brennan starts... on the free from 45 area I would take my chances on Morgan to be honest esp if his kickouts are going well...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 23, 2018, 01:53:52 PM
I said it a few games back that I'd have Morgan come up and take everything apart from the tap over frees. I don't care if it's slowing things down. He's another confidence player and if he's allowed to knock over a few from 35 he'll hit the 50's after.

Slowing the game down on our scores is a no harm either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on August 23, 2018, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 23, 2018, 01:53:52 PM
I said it a few games back that I'd have Morgan come up and take everything apart from the tap over frees. I don't care if it's slowing things down. He's another confidence player and if he's allowed to knock over a few from 35 he'll hit the 50's after.

Slowing the game down on our scores is a no harm either.

Agree with this 100%. Second half of Donegal game, and again against Monaghan I thought Morgan was excellent. He is in a good place mentally, and if he can get off to a good start with the 35M frees there is no reason why he cannot score 0-5 as he did in the National League final in 2013, also against the Dubs. That would be a huge asset to the team.

Another crucial call needs to be made on Ciaran Kilkenny. He has been central to Dublin breaking down the massed defence. The problem for Tyrone is they cannot afford to sacrifice one of their own key men (say Mattie Donnelly as was speculated earlier) for this man marking, spoiling job on the 65. Don't be surprised to see something left field from Harte such as Aidan McRory coming in for this role. Whilst often criticised on this board, he is actually ideal for this sacrificial, shadowing, spoiling job. Much more so than a Frank Burns or semi fit Meyler. And Harte trusts him.  Besides we will finish this game with a stronger team than we will start it, and all 5 subs will play an important role.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 23, 2018, 05:23:57 PM
Quote from: God14 on August 23, 2018, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 23, 2018, 01:53:52 PM
I said it a few games back that I'd have Morgan come up and take everything apart from the tap over frees. I don't care if it's slowing things down. He's another confidence player and if he's allowed to knock over a few from 35 he'll hit the 50's after.

Slowing the game down on our scores is a no harm either.

Agree with this 100%. Second half of Donegal game, and again against Monaghan I thought Morgan was excellent. He is in a good place mentally, and if he can get off to a good start with the 35M frees there is no reason why he cannot score 0-5 as he did in the National League final in 2013, also against the Dubs. That would be a huge asset to the team.

Another crucial call needs to be made on Ciaran Kilkenny. He has been central to Dublin breaking down the massed defence. The problem for Tyrone is they cannot afford to sacrifice one of their own key men (say Mattie Donnelly as was speculated earlier) for this man marking, spoiling job on the 65. Don't be surprised to see something left field from Harte such as Aidan McRory coming in for this role. Whilst often criticised on this board, he is actually ideal for this sacrificial, shadowing, spoiling job. Much more so than a Frank Burns or semi fit Meyler. And Harte trusts him.  Besides we will finish this game with a stronger team than we will start it, and all 5 subs will play an important role.


Aidan McCroy could possibly do that job... Mickey Harte has sprung surprises in the all Ireland finals of before that has worked,  Mickey needs to think outside the box to win this game that is for sure...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on August 23, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Conor McKenna would be a mad addition. Could be a bigger distraction more than anything but Frigg it we are 11/2 outsiders. Stick him at 14.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on August 23, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/08/23/news/headline-1414961/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on August 23, 2018, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: God14 on August 23, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Conor McKenna would be a mad addition. Could be a bigger distraction more than anything but Frigg it we are 11/2 outsiders. Stick him at 14.
Haha wishful thinking, im not sure his australian club would be best pleased about it though. But what a target man it would be to throw in! In seriousness will Richy start at 14?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 24, 2018, 09:59:01 AM
Conor McKenna would be nowhere near Full Forward lads.....he, however would be an exceptional man to come in and trail Kilkenny for 70 minutes.

It would be some option, however still a massive risk - you have to imagine the lads handling would be terrible and his kicking maybe even worse given the sherrin kicking technique.

Silly season has begun.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 24, 2018, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 24, 2018, 09:59:01 AM
Conor McKenna would be nowhere near Full Forward lads.....he, however would be an exceptional man to come in and trail Kilkenny for 70 minutes.

It would be some option, however still a massive risk - you have to imagine the lads handling would be terrible and his kicking maybe even worse given the sherrin kicking technique.

Silly season has begun.

Double bouncing and overcarrying all over the show.

Sure he'll fit right in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 24, 2018, 10:24:26 AM
Any word on the ticket front??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 24, 2018, 10:56:24 AM
Quote from: God14 on August 23, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/08/23/news/headline-1414961/

That article can't even get right the year the 2 McMahons were in the full back line against Kerry.

Anyhow McKenna was home for the club championship last year and wasn't able to play. Same as Conor Glass. There must be something in their AFL contracts now that prevents this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on August 24, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Driving to work now as seeing the towns decked out is class.
I think the Ballygawley folk need to check which way they put the flags up at the roundabout. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on August 24, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Clarshack I'm almost certain that McKenna came on for Eglish against Derrylaughan last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 24, 2018, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 24, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Clarshack I'm almost certain that McKenna came on for Eglish against Derrylaughan last year.
Every year he comes home and plays for Eglish. Will be the same this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 24, 2018, 01:25:25 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 24, 2018, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 24, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Clarshack I'm almost certain that McKenna came on for Eglish against Derrylaughan last year.
Every year he comes home and plays for Eglish. Will be the same this year.

And does he play like a county player?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 24, 2018, 02:22:13 PM
There is absolutely no chance of McKenna joining the squad one week before an All Ireland Final, what a stupid non story!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 24, 2018, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 24, 2018, 02:22:13 PM
There is absolutely no chance of McKenna joining the squad one week before an All Ireland Final, what a stupid non story!

Agreed. He ll be joining the fans luking  a ticket
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 24, 2018, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 24, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Clarshack I'm almost certain that McKenna came on for Eglish against Derrylaughan last year.

Ok fair enough but we played Eglish in the 1st round the previous week. he was at the game but not togged out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 24, 2018, 04:16:10 PM
I wouldn't say zero chance, maybe 5 percent or less though and only that because of Harte bringing O'Neill back for the final after being out all year.

Still not happening tho.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on August 24, 2018, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 24, 2018, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 24, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
Clarshack I'm almost certain that McKenna came on for Eglish against Derrylaughan last year.

Ok fair enough but we played Eglish in the 1st round the previous week. he was at the game but not togged out.
He came on for the final 15 minutes in Galbally against Derrylaughan. Wasn't listed in the programme but came on alright. Can't see him playing any part to be honest
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 25, 2018, 03:35:43 PM
http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/The_Panel_on_Off_the_Ball/64148/Tyrone_The_Unbreakable_Bond__Hughes_McGuigan_Harte

Excellent listen and a good preview for the documentary tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on August 25, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
I see our own STG is taking an absolute pasting on another form of Social Media. And it's good to see. True gaels, all over the county, are sick of the putrid that he posts over and over again. To even have Tyrone Gael in his name is laughable. That man is no Tyrone Gael. Roll on next Sunday where all good Tyrone men, women and children can unite together in a great day for our communities and County as a whole.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 26, 2018, 08:42:39 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 25, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
I see our own STG is taking an absolute pasting on another form of Social Media. And it's good to see. True gaels, all over the county, are sick of the putrid that he posts over and over again. To even have Tyrone Gael in his name is laughable. That man is no Tyrone Gael. Roll on next Sunday where all good Tyrone men, women and children can unite together in a great day for our communities and County as a whole.

Link? Pm me if you want
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 26, 2018, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 26, 2018, 08:42:39 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 25, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
I see our own STG is taking an absolute pasting on another form of Social Media. And it's good to see. True gaels, all over the county, are sick of the putrid that he posts over and over again. To even have Tyrone Gael in his name is laughable. That man is no Tyrone Gael. Roll on next Sunday where all good Tyrone men, women and children can unite together in a great day for our communities and County as a whole.

Link? Pm me if you want

Me too if possible? Total gipe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 26, 2018, 11:15:25 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 25, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
I see our own STG is taking an absolute pasting on another form of Social Media. And it's good to see. True gaels, all over the county, are sick of the putrid that he posts over and over again. To even have Tyrone Gael in his name is laughable. That man is no Tyrone Gael. Roll on next Sunday where all good Tyrone men, women and children can unite together in a great day for our communities and County as a whole.
wise up you clown. I take responsibility for everything I say on here, but do not try to link me with someone else's comment elsewhere, especially when you haven't a shred of proof it was me. Shame on you fella.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 26, 2018, 12:55:40 PM
That audio from off the ball is great, thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the show tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 26, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 26, 2018, 12:55:40 PM
That audio from off the ball is great, thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the show tonight.

No worries. I never realised Hubs family tragedy was the same summer as Paul McGirr. He's been through alot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 26, 2018, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 26, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 26, 2018, 12:55:40 PM
That audio from off the ball is great, thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the show tonight.

No worries. I never realised Hubs family tragedy was the same summer as Paul McGirr. He's been through alot.
A notorious stretch on the A4 at cabragh. Two young brothers who played for the Galbally pearses club also died on it which could have been around the same time or after.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 26, 2018, 04:32:31 PM
Didn't know any of that either. Shocking time for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 26, 2018, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2018, 11:15:25 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 25, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
I see our own STG is taking an absolute pasting on another form of Social Media. And it's good to see. True gaels, all over the county, are sick of the putrid that he posts over and over again. To even have Tyrone Gael in his name is laughable. That man is no Tyrone Gael. Roll on next Sunday where all good Tyrone men, women and children can unite together in a great day for our communities and County as a whole.
wise up you clown. I take responsibility for everything I say on here, but do not try to link me with someone else's comment elsewhere, especially when you haven't a shred of proof it was me. Shame on you fella.
LOL. I see that Facebook post has now got 135 likes and a lot of Tyrone support liking it. Not exactly a pasting! Of course we ve got the usual bunch of losers on going around in circles about  'mickeys three All Ireland s' lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 26, 2018, 07:21:36 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 26, 2018, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2018, 11:15:25 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 25, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
I see our own STG is taking an absolute pasting on another form of Social Media. And it's good to see. True gaels, all over the county, are sick of the putrid that he posts over and over again. To even have Tyrone Gael in his name is laughable. That man is no Tyrone Gael. Roll on next Sunday where all good Tyrone men, women and children can unite together in a great day for our communities and County as a whole.
wise up you clown. I take responsibility for everything I say on here, but do not try to link me with someone else's comment elsewhere, especially when you haven't a shred of proof it was me. Shame on you fella.
LOL. I see that Facebook post has now got 135 likes and a lot of Tyrone support liking it. Not exactly a pasting! Of course we ve got the usual bunch of losers on going around in circles about  'mickeys three All Ireland s' lol

Well done lads. 135 likes? You've done yourselves proud. I'm sure none of those likes are from Derry and Armagh either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 26, 2018, 07:37:20 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 26, 2018, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2018, 11:15:25 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 25, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
I see our own STG is taking an absolute pasting on another form of Social Media. And it's good to see. True gaels, all over the county, are sick of the putrid that he posts over and over again. To even have Tyrone Gael in his name is laughable. That man is no Tyrone Gael. Roll on next Sunday where all good Tyrone men, women and children can unite together in a great day for our communities and County as a whole.
wise up you clown. I take responsibility for everything I say on here, but do not try to link me with someone else's comment elsewhere, especially when you haven't a shred of proof it was me. Shame on you fella.
LOL. I see that Facebook post has now got 135 likes and a lot of Tyrone support liking it. Not exactly a pasting! Of course we ve got the usual bunch of losers on going around in circles about  'mickeys three All Ireland s' lol

So The Big Dog knows who STG IS........ mirror comes to mind!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on August 26, 2018, 08:40:47 PM
TG4 now people
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 26, 2018, 09:45:27 PM
That was an excellent watch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 26, 2018, 09:46:00 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 26, 2018, 09:45:27 PM
That was an excellent watch.

Agreed. Excellent programme.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on August 26, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
RTE couldn't even dream about making programmes of that quality
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on August 26, 2018, 10:40:10 PM
Superb documentary and so much more that could have been said, it ended with the first All Ireland senior victory and yet so much more happened in the years that followed.

I'm sure all Antrim posters here will share my sentiments when I say we hope you bring Sam back north in a weeks time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 26, 2018, 10:55:43 PM
Tg4 just know.

Brilliant show that was a bit emotional to watch. Wished they'd left the Spillane bitterness out, just seemed so ill fitting with the rest of the show.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on August 26, 2018, 11:35:31 PM
A fantastic show. It really grasped the emotion around that team. The conveyor belt was in full flow there. It's unbelievable the number of young lads that made the step up to senior level from those squads. It really makes you appreciate the connection Mickey and Fr Gerard had with them. It's very easy at times to forget just how lucky we are in modern times. It's a credit to those lads of 17 and 18 years of age to go on achieve the things they did and completely change the culture of Tyrone GAA for generations to come.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on August 27, 2018, 07:26:00 AM
Wonder if the minor role would ever be something Mickey would consider in the future?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 27, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
That programme shows you how great a manager Harte is.
Tyrone were nothing before he came along, (don't say he inherited great players) as Tyrone won two u21s with Canavan etc before that and no All Ireland's. we were bottle merchants on the big stage and no one feared us, as the Kerryman said.
he moulded a team of winners. As well as that he has kept Tyrone at the top table ever since 2003 - take a look at other counties such as Armagh and Derry. The worst Tyrone ever got during his time was Div 2 with straight promotion the following year. The number of trophies he won is incredible.
Anyone who calls for him to go is an idiot, and should be careful for what they wish for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 27, 2018, 09:33:03 AM
Great post
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 27, 2018, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 27, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
That programme shows you how great a manager Harte is.
Tyrone were nothing before he came along, (don't say he inherited great players) as Tyrone won two u21s with Canavan etc before that and no All Ireland's. we were bottle merchants on the big stage and no one feared us, as the Kerryman said.
he moulded a team of winners. As well as that he has kept Tyrone at the top table ever since 2003 - take a look at other counties such as Armagh and Derry. The worst Tyrone ever got during his time was Div 2 with straight promotion the following year. The number of trophies he won is incredible.
Anyone who calls for him to go is an idiot, and should be careful for what they wish for.

Also look at Cork, Galway, Meath, Down. All counties that were at Tyrones level at some stage during Hartes reign and look what has happened them. It is a testament to the man that he has kept Tyrone in the top 5 teams in the county consistently for a generation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 27, 2018, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 26, 2018, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 26, 2018, 11:15:25 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 25, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
I see our own STG is taking an absolute pasting on another form of Social Media. And it's good to see. True gaels, all over the county, are sick of the putrid that he posts over and over again. To even have Tyrone Gael in his name is laughable. That man is no Tyrone Gael. Roll on next Sunday where all good Tyrone men, women and children can unite together in a great day for our communities and County as a whole.
wise up you clown. I take responsibility for everything I say on here, but do not try to link me with someone else's comment elsewhere, especially when you haven't a shred of proof it was me. Shame on you fella.
LOL. I see that Facebook post has now got 135 likes and a lot of Tyrone support liking it. Not exactly a pasting! Of course we ve got the usual bunch of losers on going around in circles about  'mickeys three All Ireland s' lol

Excellent, what fb page is it on??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 27, 2018, 10:53:27 AM
I think until Sunday on this thread talk should be football chat only... let's keep the childish side shows to a later date... don't know about anybody else's opinion but that is mine anyway..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 27, 2018, 11:26:55 AM
History is history. After beating little Monaghan for the third time at croke park in five years Harte is in the mood for gloating in the back of today's Irish News. Let's save the gloating for next Monday morning Michael.I for one will be the happiest man in Tyrone if you pull it off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 27, 2018, 11:36:05 AM
What an absolutely fantastic doc that was. I was totally engrossed from the minute it started. Those lads went through so much and brought untold joy to the county. Stephen O'Neill was an emotional wreck at the end of the 97 final, who could blame him? Well done to all involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 27, 2018, 11:39:58 AM
Missed it, will it be on again? Cheers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 27, 2018, 11:57:08 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 27, 2018, 11:39:58 AM
Missed it, will it be on again? Cheers

https://tg4.ie/ga/clair/tir-eoghain-the-unbreakable-bond/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 27, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2018, 11:57:08 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 27, 2018, 11:39:58 AM
Missed it, will it be on again? Cheers

https://tg4.ie/ga/clair/tir-eoghain-the-unbreakable-bond/
Thanking you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 27, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 27, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
That programme shows you how great a manager Harte is.
Tyrone were nothing before he came along, (don't say he inherited great players) as Tyrone won two u21s with Canavan etc before that and no All Ireland's. we were bottle merchants on the big stage and no one feared us, as the Kerryman said.
he moulded a team of winners. As well as that he has kept Tyrone at the top table ever since 2003 - take a look at other counties such as Armagh and Derry. The worst Tyrone ever got during his time was Div 2 with straight promotion the following year. The number of trophies he won is incredible.
Anyone who calls for him to go is an idiot, and should be careful for what they wish for.

Of course micky harte will go down as a great manager however to say Tyrone were nothing (which granted is subjective as your nothing may not be as bad as mine) beforehand is a bit harsh. 
- The 6 counties in general didn't perform outside of Ulster with down the only winners until 1993.
-Tyrone in 1986 would win in the modern game as 7 point lead would be mass defended and counter attack the mode of play. 
-1995 should have went to a replay so in my opinion a bit of luck was the ingredient missing up until that time with the u21 all Ireland winners a big part of that team.  Peter the great still being around 8 years later.
-Tyrone as a county are in the top 10 counties for land mass and population so when proper underage coaching was put in place we started to reap the rewards at county and school level. 
- I don't think you can argue with inheritance of players being  major factor as well in our amateur play where you are born sport as i think you will agree he wouldn't have been able to win with Carlow etc.
- I believe good Friday agreement was also a factor in that the ending of the troubles ended a potential avenue for "distraction" away from football
- and probably most importantly he took over 2 years into the back door system which means he certainly wouldn't have won as many all Ireland titles without it and in my opinion wouldn't have lasted as long as he has done without that system in place.
So great manager yes but would Tyrone have won an all Ireland if micky harte had never taken over? I have to believe with all the other factors I've mentioned then yes they would have eventually!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 27, 2018, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 27, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 27, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
That programme shows you how great a manager Harte is.
Tyrone were nothing before he came along, (don't say he inherited great players) as Tyrone won two u21s with Canavan etc before that and no All Ireland's. we were bottle merchants on the big stage and no one feared us, as the Kerryman said.
he moulded a team of winners. As well as that he has kept Tyrone at the top table ever since 2003 - take a look at other counties such as Armagh and Derry. The worst Tyrone ever got during his time was Div 2 with straight promotion the following year. The number of trophies he won is incredible.
Anyone who calls for him to go is an idiot, and should be careful for what they wish for.

Of course micky harte will go down as a great manager however to say Tyrone were nothing (which granted is subjective as your nothing may not be as bad as mine) beforehand is a bit harsh. 
- The 6 counties in general didn't perform outside of Ulster with down the only winners until 1993.
-Tyrone in 1986 would win in the modern game as 7 point lead would be mass defended and counter attack the mode of play. 
-1995 should have went to a replay so in my opinion a bit of luck was the ingredient missing up until that time with the u21 all Ireland winners a big part of that team.  Peter the great still being around 8 years later.
-Tyrone as a county are in the top 10 counties for land mass and population so when proper underage coaching was put in place we started to reap the rewards at county and school level. 
- I don't think you can argue with inheritance of players being  major factor as well in our amateur play where you are born sport as i think you will agree he wouldn't have been able to win with Carlow etc.
- I believe good Friday agreement was also a factor in that the ending of the troubles ended a potential avenue for "distraction" away from football
- and probably most importantly he took over 2 years into the back door system which means he certainly wouldn't have won as many all Ireland titles without it and in my opinion wouldn't have lasted as long as he has done without that system in place.
So great manager yes but would Tyrone have won an all Ireland if micky harte had never taken over? I have to believe with all the other factors I've mentioned then yes they would have eventually!

Would the lads from 97/98 minors have bought into any other managers methods as much and as quickly? Brian McGuigan said he was relieved when Mickey got the senior job...it was clear they had the utmost respect for him and his methods. Would another manager have trusted the young lads as readily as Mickey? McGuigan was playing corner forward, as was Sean Cav, in 2003 Mickey put them straight away into the heart of the team. Mickey managed the horrific aftermath of Cormac in a dignified and highly skilled way and brought the team back again to the summit. But I think what his greatest achievement is expecting and maintaining the highest possible standards. He expects us to win All Ireland's, there's no inferiority complex in Tyrone anymore...even if it has the unforeseen circumstance of breeding a generation of ungrateful supporters like we read on here who think All Ireland's should fall onto our lap every year - Mickey created that arrogance because believe me it wasn't evident prior to him taking over. We should never underestimate the role Mickey has played in our recent history, yes another manager may have won All Ireland's with those players but the fact is it was Mickey who actually did it and we should always be grateful for that. I'd find it hard to imagine another manager having the team primed to  tear into Kerry like 2003 or come up with the master strokes with an injured Peter or the mcMahons and Steven O'Neill in 08...I hope he can have the team tear into the Dubs a la 2003 on Sunday and cap his greatest ever achievement - hopefully there will be no doubters then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on August 27, 2018, 04:25:38 PM
Does anybody on here have any predictions for the game on Sunday? how do you see it going personnel and tactic wise?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 27, 2018, 07:00:11 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2018, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 27, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 27, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
That programme shows you how great a manager Harte is.
Tyrone were nothing before he came along, (don't say he inherited great players) as Tyrone won two u21s with Canavan etc before that and no All Ireland's. we were bottle merchants on the big stage and no one feared us, as the Kerryman said.
he moulded a team of winners. As well as that he has kept Tyrone at the top table ever since 2003 - take a look at other counties such as Armagh and Derry. The worst Tyrone ever got during his time was Div 2 with straight promotion the following year. The number of trophies he won is incredible.
Anyone who calls for him to go is an idiot, and should be careful for what they wish for.

Of course micky harte will go down as a great manager however to say Tyrone were nothing (which granted is subjective as your nothing may not be as bad as mine) beforehand is a bit harsh. 
- The 6 counties in general didn't perform outside of Ulster with down the only winners until 1993.
-Tyrone in 1986 would win in the modern game as 7 point lead would be mass defended and counter attack the mode of play. 
-1995 should have went to a replay so in my opinion a bit of luck was the ingredient missing up until that time with the u21 all Ireland winners a big part of that team.  Peter the great still being around 8 years later.
-Tyrone as a county are in the top 10 counties for land mass and population so when proper underage coaching was put in place we started to reap the rewards at county and school level. 
- I don't think you can argue with inheritance of players being  major factor as well in our amateur play where you are born sport as i think you will agree he wouldn't have been able to win with Carlow etc.
- I believe good Friday agreement was also a factor in that the ending of the troubles ended a potential avenue for "distraction" away from football
- and probably most importantly he took over 2 years into the back door system which means he certainly wouldn't have won as many all Ireland titles without it and in my opinion wouldn't have lasted as long as he has done without that system in place.
So great manager yes but would Tyrone have won an all Ireland if micky harte had never taken over? I have to believe with all the other factors I've mentioned then yes they would have eventually!

1)Would the lads from 97/98 minors have bought into any other managers methods as much and as quickly?2) Brian McGuigan said he was relieved when Mickey got the senior job...it was clear they had the utmost respect for him and his methods. Would another manager have trusted the young lads as readily as Mickey? McGuigan was playing corner forward, as was Sean Cav, in 2003 Mickey put them straight away into the heart of the team. 3) Mickey managed the horrific aftermath of Cormac in a dignified and highly skilled way and brought the team back again to the summit. But I think what his greatest achievement is expecting and maintaining the highest possible standards. He expects us to win All Ireland's, there's no inferiority complex in Tyrone anymore...even if it has the unforeseen circumstance of breeding a generation of ungrateful supporters like we read on here who think All Ireland's should fall onto our lap every year - Mickey created that arrogance because believe me it wasn't evident prior to him taking over. We should never underestimate the role Mickey has played in our recent history, yes another manager may have won All Ireland's with those players but the fact is it was Mickey who actually did it and we should always be grateful for that. 4) I'd find it hard to imagine another manager having the team primed to  tear into Kerry like 2003 or come up with the master strokes with an injured Peter or the mcMahons and Steven O'Neill in 08...I hope he can have the team tear into the Dubs a la 2003 on 5)Sunday and cap his greatest ever achievement - hopefully there will be no doubters then.

1) We'll never know! 2) utmost respect yes no argument.  sean Cav was only out of minor so just made his debut in 2002 but interestingly it was micky who over looked him for u21 team the year before so he isnt without fault when it comes to seeing players potential.  if you actually have a look back the young players you speak of were already known to be the future and had made their debut before 2003. 3) a hard time no doubt but if you are suggesting another management team could not have managed it as well then i disagree. 4)i'll always be grateful i just don't buy into the rhetoric that it's all down to master strokes of micky. in my opinion the group of players at his disposable will always be the main factor.  in 2003 which you speak of armagh beat kerry the year before and tyrone took armagh to a replay so tyrone were not that far away before micky arrived with the 2002 national league win a major monkey off the back.  5) without doubt will be the greatest win but in this instance i can't see him pulling it off.  he has lost the last 4 championship games to dublin (and 2 in the last 2 years). if a 5th occurs how many more chances will he need if he is as great as you think?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 27, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
Mickey harte won the u21 all Ireland in 2001, Sean cavanagh was still a minor and focused on that. Not sure you can find any negatives out of what he did in 2001.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 27, 2018, 08:23:52 PM
Just seen a video on facebook there of Stevie O'Neill, jesus but what a player that man was. And we probably didn't get to see the best of him either because of injuries.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 27, 2018, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 27, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
Mickey harte won the u21 all Ireland in 2001, Sean cavanagh was still a minor and focused on that. Not sure you can find any negatives out of what he did in 2001.

Funny peter Donnelly played both and as far as I was told at the time it was because he was the only one of the two selected.... don't want to argue about this was just a point
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 27, 2018, 10:28:07 PM
This is a good laugh...

The Monday Club: Kevin 'Hub' Hughes and Philip Jordan recall tales from the glory years
When Tyrone were winning All-Irelands, they took their Sunday business very serious, and their Monday and sometimes Tuesday business every bit the same. Cahair O'Kane headed to one of their old haunts, McAleer's in Dungannon, to meet Kevin Hughes and Philip Jordan and recount some tales from The Monday Club...

Former Tyrone players Philip Jordan and Kevin Hughes pictured at McAleer's Bar, Dungannon. Picture by Declan Roughan
     
Cahair O'Kane
27 August, 2018 01:00

THERE are a few regulars stood just inside the door of McAleer's, glued to the horse racing. One of them's had a 33/1 winner today. As Thursday evenings go, that makes it a good one.

The place is decked head-to-toe in red and white. Bunting, flags, old framed jerseys.

The boss, Sean, is milling around. Kindly sets up a drink and strikes into a conversation about football.

In walks Philip Jordan, smartly dressed but minus the tie. Kevin Hughes is just a couple of minutes behind, the shirt glued to a frame that still looks made of steel. This was one of their regular post-match spots. When they played for Tyrone and there was celebrating or commiserating to be done afterwards, McAleer's was one of the first ports of call.

That was the Sunday club. It stretched into Mondays, and an odd time the Tuesday. These were the best of times...

*****

Cahair O'Kane: How and when did the Monday Club start?
Kevin Hughes: If you go back to minors, '97 it was the Boe Inn in Dromore for the Monday club after the Greenvale on a Sunday night.
Philip Jordan: In '98 we more went to Forbes' in Ardboe, and then the Greenvale and then probably stayed in Mugsy's house. After we won the Ulster minor in '98, Horse [Devlin] broke the lug off the cup coming off the bus.
KH: We were in Ardboe the Monday after the minors in '98, and then the Tuesday we came back into Cookstown. Mugsy's mother had organised a feed for us in the top bar in the Greenvale. There was this big long table and us sitting down the two sides of it, drinking and eating away. You know what Horse [Gavin Devlin] is like. End of the season, end of the minors, he started getting emotional. 'Boys this is f***ing unreal. You don't realise what we've done. This is...this is like...the f***ing Last Supper!' And he was crying and everything, and we were in stitches laughing at him.
PJ: He was the same after the U21s outside the Glenavon. Gormley was driving, he had the car with the music pumping and Horse was half-crying: 'I'm never gonna play with yous boys again!' Didn't have much confidence in his own ability.

CO'K: You won Ulster in 2001, the first senior success for a lot of that team. How did that go?
KH: We were in Belfast House in Cookstown and we go out the side way to go to the toilet. Ricey's just lying on a single bench sleeping. So we lifted him, walked him across the Main Street to the central reserve and just set him into it, arms crossed, sleeping.
The Monday night after we were in the Auction Rooms and I had my car over. We arranged to meet after club U21 matches and go to Belfast, but I'd no match so I was in good and early. [Enda] McGinley was playing so he came late, and he said he'd drive my car down the road. A wee oul wreck of a Peugeot 309. I was in the front, and the seat was pushed back so everyone could get in. I went to reach forward and McGuigan drove his foot off the back of my head, into the windscreen. Cracked the f***ing windscreen with my head.
PJ: McGinley was sober and he could hardly drive down the road for laughing.
KH: He was sober because he had to go down and meet the future wife.

CO'K: Mickey tried to implement a drinking ban then in 2003 during the championship run?
KH: That came about because we were playing a friendly down south and Jim Curran, [Brian] McGuigan, Horse and Mickey Coleman stopped on the way home and went on the lash. This was on the Sunday. I went out to the Glenavon with the Killeeshil lads, and big Packie [McConnell] was out. This meeting happened the following week, and everybody decided they'd better own up. So what did we agree on, three pints after a match? And 'Horse' just goes: 'F*** sake Mickey, if I take three pints, that's me on it! I can't take three pints and go home. It's all or nothing'. Everybody's going 'f*** sake Horse'. So it was nothing then.



Kevin 'Hub' Hughes as he recalls the craic Tyrone players had during their playing days. Picture by Declan Roughan.


CO'K: How did the ban work out for the rest of the year?
PJ: We beat Fermanagh in the quarter-final, and we stayed in Dublin on the Sunday night. It was a Bank Holiday in the south, and Kerry were playing Roscommon, we were playing the winners. Me and McGuigan and Canavan said we'd sneak away and find a corner in The Citywest. We'd three or four pints, went to bed thinking we're great, we snuck out. Next day on the bus, we discover the whole thing had been in Coppers!
KH: I was one of them. Everybody was thinking the same. We went out and down the street to a wee bar, The Saggart, about half 11. There were five of us. We were at the bar chatting and the boy beside us overheard us, asked if we're looking a taxi into the town. So he took us. Four of us piled into the back, young Frank McGuigan's in the front. Next thing Frank, for some reason, opened the glove compartment and there's a f***ing gun in it. The boy was a Garda. Frank started pointing the gun at everybody. The boy was up for the craic. He says he knew the owner of Coppers, we wouldn't have to queue or anything. Pulled up, and there's this massive queue the whole way down the street, and all the Fermanagh players at the back of it. We said we'd queue up, we didn't want to walk in past those boys, but he took us straight down to the door. A man met us there, gave us a couple of hundred euro and let us on in. We didn't get back out to the hotel until 8am and we met Jim Curran, he goes 'get up to that f***ing room'. We got back on the bus to go back to watch that quarter-final and us dying.


Three-time All-Ireland winner Philip Jordan. Picture by Declan Roughan
CO'K: What's it like in the aftermath of the first All-Ireland success?
PJ: The All-Ireland night itself wasn't that great. The Burlington shut up shop at half 2. Everybody actually just went to bed around 3. I remember going through Carrickmacross on the way up home on the Monday and either Banty or Pat McEnaney coming throwing cases of beer in the back of the bus. By the time we got to Omagh everybody was well on.
KH: The Wednesday night was the GOAL game. I woke up in Ardboe club on the Wednesday morning and we all went back at it again. There was another boy from Killeeshil there and he drove me and Brian [McGuigan] up to the GOAL match. We came in the opposite side of Omagh with the two heads out the windows. Mickey saw us coming in and just went 'that's it, you boys aren't playing'. We togged out but only played a few minutes.
PJ: The Sunday we played Cookstown, Mugsy was full-forward, I was centre-half back. About 10 minutes gone, Mugsy says: 'What are ye doing tonight?' I was going 'ah Mugsy, leave it', but he was on for the Glenavon. Me, him and big [Sean] Cavanagh went. Then Mugsy got a man to open the Greenvale. This DJ playing music, about 10 of us in it on our own, on the dancefloor like complete f***ing assholes. Mickey McElhatton left me and big Cavanagh home whatever time it was. He was sleeping and Mickey pulled up beside the door, Sean just kind of tipped over and we pushed him on out, closed the door and away on.

CO'K: Did it regularly go beyond the Monday?
KH: Barring after the All-Ireland, the only Tuesday club I was on was after we beat Kerry in '03. We ended up in Belfast House on the Monday. We woke up on the Tuesday, they'd let us stay in the rooms. Darragh Ó Sé had left six stud marks on my chest in the game. I was working with Willie John Dolan at the time, who was the team sponsor, and I rang in to say 'Ah I'm in wile bad shape here, I think I need to go to casualty'. Genuinely we were gonna go home but we woke up, Mugsy was in the room next to us. We went down and had the cure. On the Monday night, there was a 'band' playing, but it was pretty much a boy on his own doing everything. He was brilliant. He lands in on Tuesday about 12pm to lift his gear and go home, saw that there were six or seven of us, and starts playing again. We went on the drink the whole day Tuesday. We were supposed to be training that night.

CO'K: Was training ever missed?
KH: I think I missed that night, that's the only training we would have missed. I remember having a conversation with Mickey about drink and this is why I never would have missed training. I told him: 'We're young, we're enjoying ourselves. Once it affects us turning up at training, affects our performance, that'll be us'. He reluctantly accepted it. We were 22 or 23 and flying fit. If we drank Sunday and Monday, we'd still have been at training on Tuesday.

CO'K: What impact did it all have on the team's bond?
PJ: We had a team holiday in '02. Eugene McKenna was there but he was gone, Mickey was coming in as manager. There was a batch of us 22, 23 years of age, maybe 15 of us. The craic we had on that holiday was unbelievable. It half made that thing for the next year. You don't know the older boys right but I remember the first night, big Seamie McCallan had to carry [Peter] Canavan home over his shoulder. It broke the ice. He's your hero and there he is being carried home over somebody's shoulder.
KH: There was no doubt about it, it was the best team-building exercise we could have had. We were in Dubai in '03 and Mickey was going: 'We need to do a bit of training here and try to get ready for the McKenna Cup'. We all just made a stand. In Florida in '08, same thing again. We were home on the 5th or whatever, it was a few days later. He played a good few of us. He was making a point. And then we had a fitness test on the Tuesday night at Jordanstown. There was still the whole talk about boys drinking, and I had it in the back of my mind that he was lining us up for a fall. Because I'd said if it ever affected us, we'd quit. We were doing the bleep test and big Sean [Cavanagh], Dooher, those boys that weren't too bad were in the first group. Second group, me and Mugsy. I said to him: 'This is for our benefit, we need to stick at this. Stay beside me and we're not quitting 'til we win this thing'. Sure enough, kept at it. We were dying but we kept at it and at it. Won it. It was either Fergal [McCann] or Mickey came, I can't remember, and just goes: 'How'd yous bastards do that?'



Former Tyrone players Philip Jordan and Kevin Hughes chat with Cahair O'Kane. Picture by Declan Roughan.
CO'K: Were there ever attempts to enforce a ban again after '03?
KH: As we got older, we realised ourselves. The only safety net we had when we were younger was that we're flying fit, we're bouncing out of our skins and it doesn't affect us. And it didn't.
PJ: In '05 we lost the Ulster final replay to Armagh in Dublin. We were staying that night. I actually got concussed in that match. [Paul] McGrane caught me full sock and knocked me cold. Woke up about 15 minutes later and goes 'Horse, who am I marking?' Horse is going 'Holy ghost!' I'm just roaring at him: 'F*** up and tell me who I'm marking', and Paddy McKeever standing right beside me. We were staying in Castleknock Hotel. Me, Louis O'Connor and Ricey ended up in a wine bar, and I asked Ricey what he wanted. 'Get me a gin and tonic'. 'Ricey, it's a wine bar'. 'Get me a gin and tonic'. Got him a glass of white wine. When we got back to the room, me and Davy Harte were sharing. They had us on a different floor to everybody else. Me, Ricey and Louis went up, I got off at the second floor. They went on to the third and as soon as the lift door opened, fire extinguisher. Mugsy. The boys had to all chip in and pay the bill or they were going to ban us from staying there for the next match.

CO'K: Would it have been worth the effort without the craic?
PJ: Our team needed that. We played Armagh in '03 and The Irish News had the Allstars before it. Armagh made a real handling, coming in all stuffy, sat on their own table. John O'Mahony was the speaker and he had to do it after they left. They came in, ate the feed, presentations, photographs and away out the door. Mickey even changed our training to suit it that night. They were so uptight, and we were relaxed, we just went and enjoyed it. There was no drink but you can imagine if you were caught drinking on the Monday in that Armagh squad, you'd have been gone. McGeeney would have taken the head off you the next night at training. It wouldn't have worked for us. We were relaxed going into those finals.

CO'K: The atmosphere has to suit the characters?
KH: That's it. We were used to that. Not that we were big drinkers, but we were just that close a group. After a game, it was like going out with your clubmates. Same thing on a Monday, we'd all meet up.
PJ: I don't think I worked a Monday after a championship match. What year did Donegal beat us, '07? I think that was the first Monday I worked after a championship match. I was doing my exams at the time so I was trying to save days, which was the only reason I hadn't it booked.
KH: Same as that. We would get two weeks in the summer and I'd have taken one and saved the other for Mondays or hopefully All-Ireland week. It brought us together. We were a real tight-knit group
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 27, 2018, 10:53:44 PM
lol some class stories there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 28, 2018, 12:12:51 AM
Just saw this on Twitter...

https://twitter.com/rawomagh/status/1034177789635776512?s=09

Impressive stuff. Tiarnan McCann showing great determination to pull down another man's drawers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on August 28, 2018, 08:16:05 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2018, 12:12:51 AM
Just saw this on Twitter...

https://twitter.com/rawomagh/status/1034177789635776512?s=09

Impressive stuff. Tiarnan McCann showing great determination to pull down another man's drawers.

Meyler is back training anyhow
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 28, 2018, 09:04:36 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 27, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 27, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
That programme shows you how great a manager Harte is.
Tyrone were nothing before he came along, (don't say he inherited great players) as Tyrone won two u21s with Canavan etc before that and no All Ireland's. we were bottle merchants on the big stage and no one feared us, as the Kerryman said.
he moulded a team of winners. As well as that he has kept Tyrone at the top table ever since 2003 - take a look at other counties such as Armagh and Derry. The worst Tyrone ever got during his time was Div 2 with straight promotion the following year. The number of trophies he won is incredible.
Anyone who calls for him to go is an idiot, and should be careful for what they wish for.

Of course micky harte will go down as a great manager however to say Tyrone were nothing (which granted is subjective as your nothing may not be as bad as mine) beforehand is a bit harsh. 
- The 6 counties in general didn't perform outside of Ulster with down the only winners until 1993.
-Tyrone in 1986 would win in the modern game as 7 point lead would be mass defended and counter attack the mode of play. 
-1995 should have went to a replay so in my opinion a bit of luck was the ingredient missing up until that time with the u21 all Ireland winners a big part of that team.  Peter the great still being around 8 years later.
-Tyrone as a county are in the top 10 counties for land mass and population so when proper underage coaching was put in place we started to reap the rewards at county and school level. 
- I don't think you can argue with inheritance of players being  major factor as well in our amateur play where you are born sport as i think you will agree he wouldn't have been able to win with Carlow etc.
- I believe good Friday agreement was also a factor in that the ending of the troubles ended a potential avenue for "distraction" away from football
- and probably most importantly he took over 2 years into the back door system which means he certainly wouldn't have won as many all Ireland titles without it and in my opinion wouldn't have lasted as long as he has done without that system in place.
So great manager yes but would Tyrone have won an all Ireland if micky harte had never taken over? I have to believe with all the other factors I've mentioned then yes they would have eventually!
Good observation local expert. From the period 1984 to 2002 Eugene Mckenna won six Ulster titles as player/ Manager plus two All Ireland final apperances through the front and only door aswell as our first senior national title in 2002. Mickey Harte from the period 2003 to now has also won six Ulster titles, only one All Ireland final through the front door aswell as his national league back in the same year. Of course Harte got the All Ireland unlike McKenna. Then the back door came in and really benefited Harte unlike Eugene Mckenna in the 80s and 90s. To think Harte as he said in yesterdays Irish News when confronting the Tyrone county board 'their wasn't much won before I came along!' Unbelievable arrogance and no small distortion of reality.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2018, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 28, 2018, 09:04:36 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 27, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 27, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
That programme shows you how great a manager Harte is.
Tyrone were nothing before he came along, (don't say he inherited great players) as Tyrone won two u21s with Canavan etc before that and no All Ireland's. we were bottle merchants on the big stage and no one feared us, as the Kerryman said.
he moulded a team of winners. As well as that he has kept Tyrone at the top table ever since 2003 - take a look at other counties such as Armagh and Derry. The worst Tyrone ever got during his time was Div 2 with straight promotion the following year. The number of trophies he won is incredible.
Anyone who calls for him to go is an idiot, and should be careful for what they wish for.

Of course micky harte will go down as a great manager however to say Tyrone were nothing (which granted is subjective as your nothing may not be as bad as mine) beforehand is a bit harsh. 
- The 6 counties in general didn't perform outside of Ulster with down the only winners until 1993.
-Tyrone in 1986 would win in the modern game as 7 point lead would be mass defended and counter attack the mode of play. 
-1995 should have went to a replay so in my opinion a bit of luck was the ingredient missing up until that time with the u21 all Ireland winners a big part of that team.  Peter the great still being around 8 years later.
-Tyrone as a county are in the top 10 counties for land mass and population so when proper underage coaching was put in place we started to reap the rewards at county and school level. 
- I don't think you can argue with inheritance of players being  major factor as well in our amateur play where you are born sport as i think you will agree he wouldn't have been able to win with Carlow etc.
- I believe good Friday agreement was also a factor in that the ending of the troubles ended a potential avenue for "distraction" away from football
- and probably most importantly he took over 2 years into the back door system which means he certainly wouldn't have won as many all Ireland titles without it and in my opinion wouldn't have lasted as long as he has done without that system in place.
So great manager yes but would Tyrone have won an all Ireland if micky harte had never taken over? I have to believe with all the other factors I've mentioned then yes they would have eventually!
Good observation local expert. From the period 1984 to 2002 Eugene Mckenna won six Ulster titles as player/ Manager plus two All Ireland final apperances through the front and only door aswell as our first senior national title in 2002. Mickey Harte from the period 2003 to now has also won six Ulster titles, only one All Ireland final through the front door aswell as his national league back in the same year. Of course Harte got the All Ireland unlike McKenna. Then the back door came in and really benefited Harte unlike Eugene Mckenna in the 80s and 90s. To think Harte as he said in yesterdays Irish News when confronting the Tyrone county board 'their wasn't much won before I came along!' Unbelievable arrogance and no small distortion of reality.

That's a great well thought out point thebigdog, well done. If we all ignore the 3 all Ireland senior titles, 2 u21 all Irelands and 1 minor all Ireland won by Harte he really hasn't done anything that no one else before did. And wasn't it great that they brought the back door in to benefit Harte, it definitely gave Tyrone an unfair advantage over all the counties playing the same system. We should also assume that under the old system Tyrone wouldn't have done any better the years they won ulsters under Harte.

The backdoor was there in 2002 before Harte came along, we lost to Sligo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: mick999 on August 28, 2018, 10:20:53 AM
Gaelic Weekly Live had a chat show about the match last night in Trillick

https://www.facebook.com/GaelicWeeklyLive/videos/687308244959236/?tn-str=k*F
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 28, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
Tickets sorted for upper Davin row h so happy enough. Gives good weather for weekend too. Excitement building.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 28, 2018, 09:50:48 PM
2003 - I just managed to get a ticket half an hour before throw in Dublin.
2005 - Went to every game that year and no ticket to be had for the final. Was bulling, didn't go to Dublin and didn't go to a game for the full year after.
2008 - Again, couldn't get a ticket for the final despite being at all but 1 game all year.
2018 - Not able to go to the final as I booked my holidays without checking the date of the new final and have been offered tickets without even looking for them.


FML!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 28, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
Tickets sorted for upper Davin row h so happy enough. Gives good weather for weekend too. Excitement building.
hearing plenty of tickets about anyway. alot of spares in our club and heard of a club that sent 40 back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 28, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
Tickets sorted for upper Davin row h so happy enough. Gives good weather for weekend too. Excitement building.
hearing plenty of tickets about anyway. alot of spares in our club and heard of a club that sent 40 back.

Which Club?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 28, 2018, 10:41:24 PM
Club 18-30
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 29, 2018, 03:56:12 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 28, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
Tickets sorted for upper Davin row h so happy enough. Gives good weather for weekend too. Excitement building.
hearing plenty of tickets about anyway. alot of spares in our club and heard of a club that sent 40 back.

Which Club?

It's his imagination. It's a subtle dig at Harte saying Tyrone people won't support the county. Bullshit basically
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2018, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.

3 or 4 tickets in a single membership. 40 tickets sent back.
You did realise some people will believe this and start a row with their own club when they get turned away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 29, 2018, 08:03:55 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 29, 2018, 03:56:12 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 28, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
Tickets sorted for upper Davin row h so happy enough. Gives good weather for weekend too. Excitement building.
hearing plenty of tickets about anyway. alot of spares in our club and heard of a club that sent 40 back.

Which Club?

It's his imagination. It's a subtle dig at Harte saying Tyrone people won't support the county. Bullshit basically

Galbally also sent back a heap of tickets
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 29, 2018, 08:05:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 29, 2018, 03:56:12 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 28, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
Tickets sorted for upper Davin row h so happy enough. Gives good weather for weekend too. Excitement building.
hearing plenty of tickets about anyway. alot of spares in our club and heard of a club that sent 40 back.

Which Club?

It's his imagination. It's a subtle dig at Harte saying Tyrone people won't support the county. Bullshit basically

Clubs are crawling with tickets, Every hour there men on diff whattsapps groups looking to see if anyone wants a ticket, mostly hills to be fair but still..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2018, 08:06:37 AM
Apparently someone in Moortown got an extra envelope of tickers and the club are threatening to cancel the tickets unless they turn up!
Boy am I glad I use the season ticket route these days instead of that nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 29, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.

Very strange that Eskra put yesterday that there was a possibility of a second allocation of tickets if anyone was interested. Said they were sorry for the short notice but had only found out. You'd think if you handed back 40 tickets you wouldn't be putting out a notice about a second allocation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 29, 2018, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 29, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.

Very strange that Eskra put yesterday that there was a possibility of a second allocation of tickets if anyone was interested. Said they were sorry for the short notice but had only found out. You'd think if you handed back 40 tickets you wouldn't be putting out a notice about a second allocation.

Dont find it strange, Id say the second allocation of tickets is for interest shown by others who are non club member who may be friends of members from Eskra etc
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 29, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
Mickey said in the Irish News he only wants support from those who went to Navan back in June. I was in Navan with a Meath jersey on, would that matter? Wonder is Roisin Jordan going?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sekibanki on August 29, 2018, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.
Cost is probably a big factor, especially for families. €80 per ticket puts you into the territory of €300-€400 if you're bringing youngsters, and not everyone would be comfortable bringing children into the Hill.  It's a big outgoing which people may not have the leeway to spend even if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 29, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 28, 2018, 09:50:48 PM
2003 - I just managed to get a ticket half an hour before throw in Dublin.
2005 - Went to every game that year and no ticket to be had for the final. Was bulling, didn't go to Dublin and didn't go to a game for the full year after.
2008 - Again, couldn't get a ticket for the final despite being at all but 1 game all year.
2018 - Not able to go to the final as I booked my holidays without checking the date of the new final and have been offered tickets without even looking for them.


FML!!!

Are you a member of your club?
I have never had any problem getting a ticket for any Tyrone game. They may not always have been the greatest of tickets, but always able to get one easily enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on August 29, 2018, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: mick999 on August 28, 2018, 10:20:53 AM
Gaelic Weekly Live had a chat show about the match last night in Trillick

https://www.facebook.com/GaelicWeeklyLive/videos/687308244959236/?tn-str=k*F
This was enjoyable. Thought Davy Harte spoke very well, is he managing? He comes across like he could follow in his uncles footsteps in management.

Gormley is brilliant. No heirs or graces, Tyrone to win. Get stuck into the Dubs. What you wouldn't give to have him in his prime getting stuck into Kilkenny on Sunday. Was funny listening to his experience with the psychologist woman from back in 2008 - can't imagine he'd been into that sort of thing  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on August 29, 2018, 10:02:52 AM
Funny, I have heard about another club that sent back tickets. Club membership probably isn't what it was in the days when Tyrone was expected to be competing in finals every couple of years and lots of people now buying online for earlier rounds as opposed to through the club.

Nonetheless, I drove through Cookstown, Stewartstown, Dungannon, Coalisland etc this week and there seems to little in the way of hype.  The Moy is well decked out, but apart from that, there doesn't seem to be the same interest.  You'd nearly think people didn't give a shit.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 29, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: APM on August 29, 2018, 10:02:52 AM
Funny, I have heard about another club that sent back tickets. Club membership probably isn't what it was in the days when Tyrone was expected to be competing in finals every couple of years and lots of people now buying online for earlier rounds as opposed to through the club.

Nonetheless, I drove through Cookstown, Stewartstown, Dungannon, Coalisland etc this week and there seems to little in the way of hype.  The Moy is well decked out, but apart from that, there doesn't seem to be the same interest.  You'd nearly think people didn't give a shit.

thought stewartstown is decked out ok. probably no different to the noughties. maybe your a hard man to please?.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 10:46:15 AM
To be fair the local clubs have done a great job decorating the south Tyrone villages. Would be nice to see more flags outside houses though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on August 29, 2018, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 29, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: APM on August 29, 2018, 10:02:52 AM
Funny, I have heard about another club that sent back tickets. Club membership probably isn't what it was in the days when Tyrone was expected to be competing in finals every couple of years and lots of people now buying online for earlier rounds as opposed to through the club.

Nonetheless, I drove through Cookstown, Stewartstown, Dungannon, Coalisland etc this week and there seems to little in the way of hype.  The Moy is well decked out, but apart from that, there doesn't seem to be the same interest.  You'd nearly think people didn't give a shit.

thought stewartstown is decked out ok. probably no different to the noughties. maybe your a hard man to please?.

Maybe, seemed like there was more hype in the past. More flags etc.  Other people have remarked on it as well, so don't think its just my imagination.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 29, 2018, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 29, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 28, 2018, 09:50:48 PM
2003 - I just managed to get a ticket half an hour before throw in Dublin.
2005 - Went to every game that year and no ticket to be had for the final. Was bulling, didn't go to Dublin and didn't go to a game for the full year after.
2008 - Again, couldn't get a ticket for the final despite being at all but 1 game all year.
2018 - Not able to go to the final as I booked my holidays without checking the date of the new final and have been offered tickets without even looking for them.


FML!!!

Are you a member of your club?
I have never had any problem getting a ticket for any Tyrone game. They may not always have been the greatest of tickets, but always able to get one easily enough.

Been living in sligo since the late 90s so not a member of a club in Tyrone. Getting offered them this time through my club in sligo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 29, 2018, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: APM on August 29, 2018, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 29, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: APM on August 29, 2018, 10:02:52 AM
Funny, I have heard about another club that sent back tickets. Club membership probably isn't what it was in the days when Tyrone was expected to be competing in finals every couple of years and lots of people now buying online for earlier rounds as opposed to through the club.

Nonetheless, I drove through Cookstown, Stewartstown, Dungannon, Coalisland etc this week and there seems to little in the way of hype.  The Moy is well decked out, but apart from that, there doesn't seem to be the same interest.  You'd nearly think people didn't give a shit.

thought stewartstown is decked out ok. probably no different to the noughties. maybe your a hard man to please?.

Maybe, seemed like there was more hype in the past. More flags etc.  Other people have remarked on it as well, so don't think its just my imagination.

Have heard people remark on this myself but from my memory in 2003 there were flags bunting etc everywhere but definitely not as much for both 2005 and 2008 finals.  Expectation is also playing a part in that 2003, 2005 and 2008 we really expected to win whereas we are 11/2 outsiders this time around.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on August 29, 2018, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 29, 2018, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 29, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.

Very strange that Eskra put yesterday that there was a possibility of a second allocation of tickets if anyone was interested. Said they were sorry for the short notice but had only found out. You'd think if you handed back 40 tickets you wouldn't be putting out a notice about a second allocation.

Dont find it strange, Id say the second allocation of tickets is for interest shown by others who are non club member who may be friends of members from Eskra etc

Could also be a chance of people looking for better tickets in a second allocation
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 29, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on August 29, 2018, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 29, 2018, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 29, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.

Very strange that Eskra put yesterday that there was a possibility of a second allocation of tickets if anyone was interested. Said they were sorry for the short notice but had only found out. You'd think if you handed back 40 tickets you wouldn't be putting out a notice about a second allocation.

Dont find it strange, Id say the second allocation of tickets is for interest shown by others who are non club member who may be friends of members from Eskra etc

Could also be a chance of people looking for better tickets in a second allocation

I don't think you would be allowed to hand back tickets and then ask for a second allocation. I know of at least 3 larger clubs that didn't get enough tickets and are waiting for the second allocation to fulfil requests.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 11:45:38 AM
Plus the fact that harte has managed to alienate a sizeable proportion of Tyrone supporters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on August 29, 2018, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 29, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on August 29, 2018, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 29, 2018, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 29, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
eskra club. i wont be attending but i was collecting tickets and i could have had 3 or 4 home with me on a single membership. maybe other  clubs are different but what i seen was plenty of tickets. every member sorted easily, no draws, raffles needed. never seen it as easy to get an all ireland final ticket.

Very strange that Eskra put yesterday that there was a possibility of a second allocation of tickets if anyone was interested. Said they were sorry for the short notice but had only found out. You'd think if you handed back 40 tickets you wouldn't be putting out a notice about a second allocation.

Dont find it strange, Id say the second allocation of tickets is for interest shown by others who are non club member who may be friends of members from Eskra etc

Could also be a chance of people looking for better tickets in a second allocation

I don't think you would be allowed to hand back tickets and then ask for a second allocation. I know of at least 3 larger clubs that didn't get enough tickets and are waiting for the second allocation to fulfil requests.

why not I believe some clubs got a lot of hill tickets when stand tickets were requested - would they not be entitled to hand back hill tickets and look for stand tickets in a second allocation?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on August 29, 2018, 05:25:49 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 29, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
Mickey said in the Irish News he only wants support from those who went to Navan back in June. I was in Navan with a Meath jersey on, would that matter? Wonder is Roisin Jordan going?

Going to matches should definitely be rewarded, the season ticket is one (very good) way, but surely there could be some other option (e.g. a loyalty option via tickets.ie) for those that don't use it - plenty of good supporters can't get to every match due to club commitments, which can be especially difficult if they live in a different county, that doesn't stop the clocks for Tyrone matches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 29, 2018, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 29, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
Mickey said in the Irish News he only wants support from those who went to Navan back in June. I was in Navan with a Meath jersey on, would that matter? Wonder is Roisin Jordan going?

So you're a Meathie?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on August 30, 2018, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 29, 2018, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 29, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
Mickey said in the Irish News he only wants support from those who went to Navan back in June. I was in Navan with a Meath jersey on, would that matter? Wonder is Roisin Jordan going?

So you're a Meathie?

No...He's an Augherie. And ever since his namesake and clubman (some lad called Eugene something) got ousted from the Tyrone seniors he has done nothing but spout hate and negativity towards Tyrone GAA.

By all means wear away at whatever geansaí you want, but please don't take a ticket from a deserving candidate. Save your putrid for the high stool and let us real Tyrone gaels (be that North, SOUTH, East or West) get on with supporting our County.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 30, 2018, 03:58:40 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 30, 2018, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 29, 2018, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 29, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
Mickey said in the Irish News he only wants support from those who went to Navan back in June. I was in Navan with a Meath jersey on, would that matter? Wonder is Roisin Jordan going?

So you're a Meathie?

No...He's an Augherie. And ever since his namesake and clubman (some lad called Eugene something) got ousted from the Tyrone seniors he has done nothing but spout hate and negativity towards Tyrone GAA.

By all means wear away at whatever geansaí you want, but please don't take a ticket from a deserving candidate. Save your putrid for the high stool and let us real Tyrone gaels (be that North, SOUTH, East or West) get on with supporting our County.
Apparently if you hate Mickey Harte you hate Tyrone? Oh no oh no. I wanted a Meath win so I could see the pressure pile on Mick. Just like a lot of Tyrone Gaels I might add! Lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 30, 2018, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 30, 2018, 03:58:40 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 30, 2018, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 29, 2018, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 29, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
Mickey said in the Irish News he only wants support from those who went to Navan back in June. I was in Navan with a Meath jersey on, would that matter? Wonder is Roisin Jordan going?

So you're a Meathie?


No...He's an Augherie. And ever since his namesake and clubman (some lad called Eugene something) got ousted from the Tyrone seniors he has done nothing but spout hate and negativity towards Tyrone GAA.

By all means wear away at whatever geansaí you want, but please don't take a ticket from a deserving candidate. Save your putrid for the high stool and let us real Tyrone gaels (be that North, SOUTH, East or West) get on with supporting our County.
Apparently if you hate Mickey Harte you hate Tyrone? Oh no oh no. I wanted a Meath win so I could see the pressure pile on Mick. Just like a lot of Tyrone Gaels I might add! Lol

So your hate for MH is greater that a desire for Tyrone to do well. Says it all really.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 30, 2018, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: sambostar on August 29, 2018, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: mick999 on August 28, 2018, 10:20:53 AM
Gaelic Weekly Live had a chat show about the match last night in Trillick

https://www.facebook.com/GaelicWeeklyLive/videos/687308244959236/?tn-str=k*F
This was enjoyable. Thought Davy Harte spoke very well, is he managing? He comes across like he could follow in his uncles footsteps in management.

Gormley is brilliant. No heirs or graces, Tyrone to win. Get stuck into the Dubs. What you wouldn't give to have him in his prime getting stuck into Kilkenny on Sunday. Was funny listening to his experience with the psychologist woman from back in 2008 - can't imagine he'd been into that sort of thing  :)
Davy is still playing.
Conor does have children, but he doesn't have airs. :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 30, 2018, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 30, 2018, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: sambostar on August 29, 2018, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: mick999 on August 28, 2018, 10:20:53 AM
Gaelic Weekly Live had a chat show about the match last night in Trillick

https://www.facebook.com/GaelicWeeklyLive/videos/687308244959236/?tn-str=k*F
This was enjoyable. Thought Davy Harte spoke very well, is he managing? He comes across like he could follow in his uncles footsteps in management.

Gormley is brilliant. No heirs or graces, Tyrone to win. Get stuck into the Dubs. What you wouldn't give to have him in his prime getting stuck into Kilkenny on Sunday. Was funny listening to his experience with the psychologist woman from back in 2008 - can't imagine he'd been into that sort of thing  :)
Davy is still playing.
Conor does have children, but he doesn't have airs. :P

Interesting to see, both men going to face each other in the first round this year also!!
2 Tyrone legends!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 30, 2018, 03:58:40 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on August 30, 2018, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 29, 2018, 11:38:53 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on August 29, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
Mickey said in the Irish News he only wants support from those who went to Navan back in June. I was in Navan with a Meath jersey on, would that matter? Wonder is Roisin Jordan going?

So you're a Meathie?

No...He's an Augherie. And ever since his namesake and clubman (some lad called Eugene something) got ousted from the Tyrone seniors he has done nothing but spout hate and negativity towards Tyrone GAA.

By all means wear away at whatever geansaí you want, but please don't take a ticket from a deserving candidate. Save your putrid for the high stool and let us real Tyrone gaels (be that North, SOUTH, East or West) get on with supporting our County.
Apparently if you hate Mickey Harte you hate Tyrone? Oh no oh no. I wanted a Meath win so I could see the pressure pile on Mick. Just like a lot of Tyrone Gaels I might add! Lol
A man who supports whoever Tyrone is playing, but who has 'Come on Tyrone' across his facebook profile picture  ???

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40131363_2136993173018869_5572272526672789504_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=582ca7f3846730b95b7e2af06e110e5b&oe=5BFBC6D8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:26:07 PM
Id like to hear the thoughts of the bigdog and southtyronegael on the actual match itself this weekend.  Would like both of them to review it and give what they think the outcome will be.

Forget about Mickey for the time being if that's possible & base your thoughts on the players and how you see it going.  Lets forget about Mickey for a moment and discuss the football match itself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 02:31:48 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:26:07 PM
Id like to hear the thoughts of the bigdog and southtyronegael on the actual match itself this weekend.  Would like both of them to review it and give what they think the outcome will be.

Forget about Mickey for the time being if that's possible & base your thoughts on the players and how you see it going.  Lets forget about Mickey for a moment and discuss the football match itself.

Both? Hasn't it been well established, even before he replied to another posters comment under the wrong username a few weeks ago, that it's the same person?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 30, 2018, 02:52:47 PM
You sound too normal to be on here Christmas Lights :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.

And the Faceyb stalking? Is that necessary?   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.

And the Faceyb stalking? Is that necessary?

Stalking? Calm the baps. I noticed a snide comment on facebook that mirrored a snide comment here and made reference to it about a week ago. Since then I only mentioned his profile picture today to show the hypocrisy in saying he cheers for whoever Tyrone are playing against, whilst having a profile picture with 'come on Tyrone' across it. Hope that's OK with you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on August 30, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.

And the Faceyb stalking? Is that necessary?

Stalking? Calm the baps. I noticed a snide comment on facebook that mirrored a snide comment here and made reference to it about a week ago. Since then I only mentioned his profile picture today to show the hypocrisy in saying he cheers for whoever Tyrone are playing against, whilst having a profile picture with 'come on Tyrone' across it. Hope that's OK with you.

Any other proof its the same person or is the comment that mirrors one on social media where your Sherlock holmes work ends?  All this dung is getting away from discussing the actual match.  You obv have no time for said posters, they have no time for you - why dont you use the ignore function and they can use the same and actually discuss some football.

Anyone think Harte will spring any starting surprises for the weekend?  Heard a few mentioning Aidy McRory a possible starter and just stick like glue to Kilkenny - I would be amazed if it happened personally
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on August 30, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.

And the Faceyb stalking? Is that necessary?

Stalking? Calm the baps. I noticed a snide comment on facebook that mirrored a snide comment here and made reference to it about a week ago. Since then I only mentioned his profile picture today to show the hypocrisy in saying he cheers for whoever Tyrone are playing against, whilst having a profile picture with 'come on Tyrone' across it. Hope that's OK with you.

Any other proof its the same person or is the comment that mirrors one on social media where your Sherlock holmes work ends?  All this dung is getting away from discussing the actual match.  You obv have no time for said posters, they have no time for you - why dont you use the ignore function and they can use the same and actually discuss some football.

Anyone think Harte will spring any starting surprises for the weekend?  Heard a few mentioning Aidy McRory a possible starter and just stick like glue to Kilkenny - I would be amazed if it happened personally

Well he said that it was him who posted the facebook comment, so sounds like Sherlock Holmes was on the ball once again.

And I can ignore no problem, but he'll still be posting abusive comments about named people online, which is what I am trying to say is wrong.

P.s. I know Mickey Harte can throw a curveball or two when he takes the notion, but when has Aidan McCrory last start a game? That's a genuine question that I don't know the answer to, but it's long enough that it's a bit if a stretch to suggest he will get the nod to start the AI final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on August 30, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.

And the Faceyb stalking? Is that necessary?

Stalking? Calm the baps. I noticed a snide comment on facebook that mirrored a snide comment here and made reference to it about a week ago. Since then I only mentioned his profile picture today to show the hypocrisy in saying he cheers for whoever Tyrone are playing against, whilst having a profile picture with 'come on Tyrone' across it. Hope that's OK with you.

Any other proof its the same person or is the comment that mirrors one on social media where your Sherlock holmes work ends?  All this dung is getting away from discussing the actual match.  You obv have no time for said posters, they have no time for you - why dont you use the ignore function and they can use the same and actually discuss some football.

Anyone think Harte will spring any starting surprises for the weekend?  Heard a few mentioning Aidy McRory a possible starter and just stick like glue to Kilkenny - I would be amazed if it happened personally

Well he said that it was him who posted the facebook comment, so sounds like Sherlock Holmes was on the ball once again.

And I can ignore no problem, but he'll still be posting abusive comments about named people online, which is what I am trying to say is wrong.

P.s. I know Mickey Harte can throw a curveball or two when he takes the notion, but when did Aidan McCrory last start a game? That's a genuine question that I don't know the answer to, but it's long enough that it's a bit if a stretch to suggest he will get the nod to start the AI final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on August 30, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on August 30, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.

And the Faceyb stalking? Is that necessary?

Stalking? Calm the baps. I noticed a snide comment on facebook that mirrored a snide comment here and made reference to it about a week ago. Since then I only mentioned his profile picture today to show the hypocrisy in saying he cheers for whoever Tyrone are playing against, whilst having a profile picture with 'come on Tyrone' across it. Hope that's OK with you.

Any other proof its the same person or is the comment that mirrors one on social media where your Sherlock holmes work ends?  All this dung is getting away from discussing the actual match.  You obv have no time for said posters, they have no time for you - why dont you use the ignore function and they can use the same and actually discuss some football.

Anyone think Harte will spring any starting surprises for the weekend?  Heard a few mentioning Aidy McRory a possible starter and just stick like glue to Kilkenny - I would be amazed if it happened personally

micheal cassidy to mark kilkenny is what im hearing on the grapevine
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on August 30, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.

And the Faceyb stalking? Is that necessary?

Stalking? Calm the baps. I noticed a snide comment on facebook that mirrored a snide comment here and made reference to it about a week ago. Since then I only mentioned his profile picture today to show the hypocrisy in saying he cheers for whoever Tyrone are playing against, whilst having a profile picture with 'come on Tyrone' across it. Hope that's OK with you.

Any other proof its the same person or is the comment that mirrors one on social media where your Sherlock holmes work ends?  All this dung is getting away from discussing the actual match.  You obv have no time for said posters, they have no time for you - why dont you use the ignore function and they can use the same and actually discuss some football.

Anyone think Harte will spring any starting surprises for the weekend?  Heard a few mentioning Aidy McRory a possible starter and just stick like glue to Kilkenny - I would be amazed if it happened personally

Well he said that it was him who posted the facebook comment, so sounds like Sherlock Holmes was on the ball once again.

And I can ignore no problem, but he'll still be posting abusive comments about named people online, which is what I am trying to say is wrong.

P.s. I know Mickey Harte can throw a curveball or two when he takes the notion, but when has Aidan McCrory last start a game? That's a genuine question that I don't know the answer to, but it's long enough that it's a bit if a stretch to suggest he will get the nod to start the AI final.

Funny someone else mentioned about Aidy McRory starting just to stick to Kilkenny.  It wouldn't be the worst idea in the world, I think Kilkennys influence for Dublin is massive and its probably nearly worth sacrificing a player to do this.  In fairness to McRory, he would probably be the one man who would do this and not care about being on the ball / involved much in the game.  It would take massive discipline and Im not sure many other Tyrone players would / could be willing to do that.  The likes of Myler, McNanmee, Hampsey are too good of ballers to maybe sacrifice their game like that, especially on all ireland final day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 30, 2018, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

I think it's you who needs therapy. On more than one occasion looking to hear the view if Southtyronegael/thebigdog.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 05:30:58 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 30, 2018, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

I think it's you who needs therapy. On more than one occasion looking to hear the view if Southtyronegael/thebigdog.

LOL.

At the end of the day, its probably an understatement to say they disapprove of Mickey Harte, each to their own, but they are clearly big Tyrone supporters otherwise they wouldn't be so vocal.  Would be interesting to hear their thoughts ahead of the game itself without the Mickey Harte bashing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 30, 2018, 05:46:26 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 05:30:58 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 30, 2018, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

I think it's you who needs therapy. On more than one occasion looking to hear the view if Southtyronegael/thebigdog.

LOL.

At the end of the day, its probably an understatement to say they disapprove of Mickey Harte, each to their own, but they are clearly big Tyrone supporters otherwise they wouldn't be so vocal.  Would be interesting to hear their thoughts ahead of the game itself without the Mickey Harte bashing.

Definitely not a big Tyrone supporter. He/She wants to see TYRONE beaten so he can continue his Harte bashing

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 30, 2018, 07:47:55 PM
JC , let it go,  and do we need all  the quoting??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 30, 2018, 09:04:47 PM
Ok lads let's leave the harte bashing for a few days and we can get back to it straight after the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 30, 2018, 09:06:10 PM
What time are we expecting team news??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 30, 2018, 09:09:43 PM
On the game itself, I think we can win it if we are brave enough. We will need 2-14 or 3-11 to win it so I'd go all out attack from the start, big man edge of square (cavanagh or even Mc nulty). Get as many balls in on top of dubs full backline as possible. We need goals and plenty of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 30, 2018, 09:13:26 PM
Kilkenny MUST be man marked and hampsey is the man to do it. Cluxton also needs some special attention. If we can get those 2 rattled then we are half way there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 30, 2018, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 30, 2018, 09:13:26 PM
Kilkenny MUST be man marked and hampsey is the man to do it. Cluxton also needs some special attention. If we can get those 2 rattled then we are half way there.

Armagh showed as far back in 2003 that Cluxton can be got at.

Jack McCaffrey's runs also need curtailed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 30, 2018, 10:17:29 PM
First 15 to play Dublin in All Ireland Final

1 N Morgan

2 M McKernan

3 R McNamee

4 P Hampsey

5 T McCann

6 F Burns

7 P Harte

8 C Cavanagh

9 C McShane

10 M Donnelly

11 N Sludden

12 K McGeary

13 M Bradley

14 R Donnelly

15 C McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on August 31, 2018, 06:12:40 AM
Interesting watching the documentary the other night. Myself and Paul McGirr were in the same class at St Ciaran s for five years. Can't say me and him were any big mates or anything, that was probably to do with him supporting United and me Liverpool lol. You had a choice during PE you wore a plain white t shirt or a Tyrone jersey. McGirr always wore a Tyrone jersey with the red collar up. He looked like a lad who dreamed about playing for Tyrone. Always played with the head up, good fielder of the ball excellent free taker off the ground. Paul was definitely the star player going into the 97 minors. When you look at the 05 Final that forward line would have been complete with Paul at 12( even though Ryan Mellon had a good performance). Hearing his father talk about their final conversation was very emotional  to watch. To think that Paul gave all for that Tyrone jersey, the Red hand. That's what these Tyrone players come Sunday should understand. The men that came before Paul, Cormac McAnallen look what they gave? Tactics can only get you so far it will be blood and thunder that will win Tyrone this All Ireland and no shortage of bravery from the players and more importantly the sideline. Let's hope they can do Paul McGirr and Cormac McAnallen s family proud.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 31, 2018, 08:56:31 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on August 30, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 30, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
I think its two different people to be honest.  Not that I care.

Anyway, look forward to hearing their thoughts.

Ever consider therapy there Snapchat?

Therapy for what? I make only very occasional posts. I really only use this site to read about football. 'Thebigdog'/STG' though is a bully, and bullying is my absolute pet peeve - hence my posts about him.

And the Faceyb stalking? Is that necessary?

Stalking? Calm the baps. I noticed a snide comment on facebook that mirrored a snide comment here and made reference to it about a week ago. Since then I only mentioned his profile picture today to show the hypocrisy in saying he cheers for whoever Tyrone are playing against, whilst having a profile picture with 'come on Tyrone' across it. Hope that's OK with you.

Any other proof its the same person or is the comment that mirrors one on social media where your Sherlock holmes work ends?  All this dung is getting away from discussing the actual match.  You obv have no time for said posters, they have no time for you - why dont you use the ignore function and they can use the same and actually discuss some football.

Anyone think Harte will spring any starting surprises for the weekend?  Heard a few mentioning Aidy McRory a possible starter and just stick like glue to Kilkenny - I would be amazed if it happened personally

Well he said that it was him who posted the facebook comment, so sounds like Sherlock Holmes was on the ball once again.

And I can ignore no problem, but he'll still be posting abusive comments about named people online, which is what I am trying to say is wrong.

P.s. I know Mickey Harte can throw a curveball or two when he takes the notion, but when has Aidan McCrory last start a game? That's a genuine question that I don't know the answer to, but it's long enough that it's a bit if a stretch to suggest he will get the nod to start the AI final.

Funny someone else mentioned about Aidy McRory starting just to stick to Kilkenny.  It wouldn't be the worst idea in the world, I think Kilkennys influence for Dublin is massive and its probably nearly worth sacrificing a player to do this.  In fairness to McRory, he would probably be the one man who would do this and not care about being on the ball / involved much in the game.  It would take massive discipline and Im not sure many other Tyrone players would / could be willing to do that.  The likes of Myler, McNanmee, Hampsey are too good of ballers to maybe sacrifice their game like that, especially on all ireland final day.

Awk now guys catch yourselves on!! McCrory wouldnt get close to him! Wouldnt be the worst idea you say?? go back 12 months! We done this last year in the Semi on him and Kilkenny absolutely destroyed us and McCrory! Im not slating McCrory he's a good enuf player but not Kilkenny standard!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 31, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
Mayo put their best defender Keegan on Kilkenny in last year's final. He held him to 8 possessions and helped himself to a goal after he had Kilkenny broke. That's the template.  Hampsey all day for me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on August 31, 2018, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
Mayo put their best defender Keegan on Kilkenny in last year's final. He held him to 8 possessions and helped himself to a goal after he had Kilkenny broke. That's the template.  Hampsey all day for me.

Keith Higgins??? Personally think Meyler will start and pick him up - need someone who has a serious engine and will run all day - Kieran McG other option
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 31, 2018, 10:08:22 AM
How much would 3/4 weeks on the sideline affect Meyler's fitness?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on August 31, 2018, 10:23:24 AM
Ryan McHugh ran meyler ragged in ballybofey, no chance he will be marking Kilkenny
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 31, 2018, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on August 31, 2018, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
Mayo put their best defender Keegan on Kilkenny in last year's final. He held him to 8 possessions and helped himself to a goal after he had Kilkenny broke. That's the template.  Hampsey all day for me.

Keith Higgins??? Personally think Meyler will start and pick him up - need someone who has a serious engine and will run all day - Kieran McG other option

I cant remember if it was last year or year before but Lee Keegan def marked Kilkenny out of the game, probably done as good as job as anyone on him and notched a goal as well. 

Agree that Kilkenny needs to be tracked all day.  I would love to see Meyler on him personally as he has the engine to go with him and maybe even to put him on the back foot as he is capable of surging runs himself.  Question is though if it is fit to play?  Anyone any updates?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 31, 2018, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: smort on August 31, 2018, 10:23:24 AM
Ryan McHugh ran meyler ragged in ballybofey, no chance he will be marking Kilkenny

You sure about that mate?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 31, 2018, 11:06:48 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
Mayo put their best defender Keegan on Kilkenny in last year's final. He held him to 8 possessions and helped himself to a goal after he had Kilkenny broke. That's the template.  Hampsey all day for me.

Hampsey be on Fenton I think.
McCann on McCaffrey,
Personally Id love to see McKernan on him but he'll pick up Minnion again,
Leaves you with one option - Meyler or Maybe try Kieran McGeery on him and see how Kilkenny likes that and make a switch when McGeery empties the tank and try Meyler then!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 31, 2018, 11:11:09 AM
http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289775 (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289775)
Cancer-free Mickey Harte wins his biggest battle

Just reading on Hogan Stand that Mickey Harte was diagnosed with bladder cancer in early 2015, and was undergoing treatment right up until last December. In that time he only missed one game. I've not always been a fan of his and was all in favour of a new management team at the start of this year. I'm happy to say he has proven me wrong but more importantly than that, he has shown some strength of character to come through three years of cancer treatment and only miss one game. To have to deal with such an illness, along with the at times intense criticism coming his way (including the vindictive, anonymous mocking and bullying online) - what can you say? Full credit to the man for once again pulling through serious adversity.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 31, 2018, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 31, 2018, 11:11:09 AM
http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289775 (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289775)
Cancer-free Mickey Harte wins his biggest battle

Just reading on Hogan Stand that Mickey Harte was diagnosed with bladder cancer in early 2015, and was undergoing treatment right up until last December. In that time he only missed one game. I've not always been a fan of his and was all in favour of a new management team at the start of this year. I'm happy to say he has proven me wrong but more importantly than that, he has shown some strength of character to come through three years of cancer treatment and only miss one game. To have to deal with such an illness, along with the at times intense criticism coming his way (including the vindictive, anonymous mocking and bullying online) - what can you say? Full credit to the man for once again pulling through serious adversity.

A hardy hardy man, he's been through a lot over the years!! Credit to him!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 31, 2018, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
Mayo put their best defender Keegan on Kilkenny in last year's final. He held him to 8 possessions and helped himself to a goal after he had Kilkenny broke. That's the template.  Hampsey all day for me.

For once I agree with you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on August 31, 2018, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2018, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 31, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
Mayo put their best defender Keegan on Kilkenny in last year's final. He held him to 8 possessions and helped himself to a goal after he had Kilkenny broke. That's the template.  Hampsey all day for me.

For once I agree with you.

I think if we match Kilkennys pace and properly hit him at the 45 it'll slow the Dubs down. He's not their most important cog though. I'm most looking forward to Matty against Fenton or McCarthy. Thats the winning and losing of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 31, 2018, 08:54:59 PM
Will Burns play CHB?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 31, 2018, 09:44:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2018, 11:12:31 PM
1.morgan
2.mc kernan
3.hampsey
4.h p mc geary
5.meyler
6.f burns
7.k mc geary
8.c cavanagh
9.mc clure
10.harte
11.sludden
12.m donnelly
13.l brennan
14.mc shane
15.bradley
there you go lads. book the citywest for september.
hate to say I told you so but, I told you so.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on August 31, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
Can you go between the nally and the hill. Have 1 for nally and been offered for hill but no point takin it if the cub cant be side me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 31, 2018, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 31, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
Can you go between the nally and the hill. Have 1 for nally and been offered for hill but no point takin it if the cub cant be side me

Nah they have stewards between them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on August 31, 2018, 11:03:35 PM
No difference      no one checks your ticket after the gate
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on September 01, 2018, 12:17:53 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2018, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 31, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
Can you go between the nally and the hill. Have 1 for nally and been offered for hill but no point takin it if the cub cant be side me

Nah they have stewards between them.

Yeah I think the same ya can't cross between them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 01, 2018, 12:29:55 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2018, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 31, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
Can you go between the nally and the hill. Have 1 for nally and been offered for hill but no point takin it if the cub cant be side me

Nah they have stewards between them.

Yep, not possible.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on September 01, 2018, 10:48:20 AM
Anyone a Nally ticket for sale. PM me please
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on September 01, 2018, 11:52:21 AM
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Philly McMahon
3. Cian O'Sullivan
4. Eoin Murchan
5. John Small
6. Jonny Cooper
7. Jack McCaffrey
8. Brian Fenton
9. James McCarthy
10. Niall Scully
11. Con O'Callaghan
12. Brian Howard
13. Paul Mannion
14. Ciaran Kilkenny
15. Dean Rock

No surprises.. yet anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on September 01, 2018, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 01, 2018, 11:52:21 AM
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Philly McMahon
3. Cian O'Sullivan
4. Eoin Murchan
5. John Small
6. Jonny Cooper
7. Jack McCaffrey
8. Brian Fenton
9. James McCarthy
10. Niall Scully
11. Con O'Callaghan
12. Brian Howard
13. Paul Mannion
14. Ciaran Kilkenny
15. Dean Rock

No surprises.. yet anyway
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Philly McMahon - McAliskey
3. Cian O'Sullivan
4. Eoin Murchan - Sludden
5. John Small - Harte
6. Jonny Cooper - Bradley
7. Jack McCaffrey (McGeary/Meyler)
8. Brian Fenton (Mattie Donnelly)
9. James McCarthy
10. Niall Scully
11. Con O'Callaghan
12. Brian Howard
13. Paul Mannion (McKernan)
14. Ciaran Kilkenny (Hampsey)
15. Dean Rock

Id predict those are the main match ups. Hopefully Tyrone otherwise push right up and have a go. Retreating into too much off a defensive shape will end up just being a keep the score down excercise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on September 01, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Looking at the game in Omagh we have 2 changes in the team named for Sunday since then:
Kieran McGeary for Meyler (similar position wise)
Mark Bradley for Hugh Pat McGeary

Hampsey played midfield that day of course but overall we have probably a more attacking team lined out now:
3 "up" (Donnelly McAliskey Bradley) instead of 2.

Will Mickey stick with this or will he bring in Meyler for one of Richie or Sparky?
Dublin have a lot of mobile players around the middle - Howard McCaffrey McCarthy etc.

Personally i would like Bradley to start i think he is our most dangerous forward in that he has the skill and pace to take on his man more so than Richie or McAliskey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 01, 2018, 07:24:51 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:26:07 PM
Id like to hear the thoughts of the bigdog and southtyronegael on the actual match itself this weekend.  Would like both of them to review it and give what they think the outcome will be.

Forget about Mickey for the time being if that's possible & base your thoughts on the players and how you see it going.  Lets forget about Mickey for a moment and discuss the football match itself.
I thought Conal McCann showed very well when he came on against Monaghan, fielded a lovely ball when the pressure was on in the last ten. I would drop Richard Donnelly put Colm Cavanagh into full forward putting Conal into midfield. We can't afford to let Cooper and McMahon bully our forwards putting Colm in there would be a real statement of intent. If Tyrone have the athleticism and bench to compete with Dublin for 75 mins then let's go man to man. It's just a matter of improving on what Mayo done. It's time Harte showed faith in these players. Let's get tore into them. The f**king about with defensive stuff is pointless against this Dublin team even with one sweeper. It's high risk but it has to be done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 01, 2018, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 01, 2018, 07:24:51 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2018, 02:26:07 PM
Id like to hear the thoughts of the bigdog and southtyronegael on the actual match itself this weekend.  Would like both of them to review it and give what they think the outcome will be.

Forget about Mickey for the time being if that's possible & base your thoughts on the players and how you see it going.  Lets forget about Mickey for a moment and discuss the football match itself.
I thought Conal McCann showed very well when he came on against Monaghan, fielded a lovely ball when the pressure was on in the last ten. I would drop Richard Donnelly put Colm Cavanagh into full forward putting Conal into midfield. We can't afford to let Cooper and McMahon bully our forwards putting Colm in there would be a real statement of intent. If Tyrone have the athleticism and bench to compete with Dublin for 75 mins then let's go man to man. It's just a matter of improving on what Mayo done. It's time Harte showed faith in these players. Let's get tore into them. The f**king about with defensive stuff is pointless against this Dublin team even with one sweeper. It's high risk but it has to be done.

Have a look at Conal's level of effort shortly after that catch as Monaghan break out. Not good enough, he should be bursting his balls to put a tackle in at that point in such a tight game. Unfortunately that alone would mean he shouldn't be near the team tomorrow for me..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 01, 2018, 08:12:59 PM
"The unbreakable bond" documentary was arguably for me, one of the best I have ever seen. T na g deserves a huge amount of credit for delivering a true master piece. A master piece that wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't for the people behind such a remarkable journey. Practically now a days myself I don't even watch tv anymore, I give it minimum attention too much nonsense for my liking. However though, it must be said we as Irish people should be very grateful for Tnags'  contribution to Irish society.

Like I said a few posts back, before my love in with Tyrone started, was the day I heard about Paul McGirr's death on the 15th of June 1997. That was over 21 years ago!  hard to believe but time really dose not want to wait. The documentary was so emotional and for me very very raw. It brought back a lot of memories of following that great bunch of lads. After the loss in the minor final in 1997. I felt like Stephen O Neill at the end of that match. It was a surreal feeling because I'm not from there. But for those of us who would hang around to read the next chapter in these boys lives we were in for a huge surprise. That Tyrone story and Mickey Harte  its author would give us some of the best moments life has to offer as a Gael. At the same time it would give us the hardest knocks life could possibly throw at you. You could also argue that someone who like Mickey Harte who has committed a quarter of a century of his life to the Tyrone cause that things might just happen "naturally". But there was so much uniqueness in each tragedy that even the most gifted of story tellers would be challenged to come up with something so dramatic.

I remember my wife doing a semester back in the day in Queens University. At a time when it probably wasn't advisable to be walking around in GAA gear. But i always remember the Tyrone students  with their club names and celtic crosses on their kit bags. It made me feel good to be in with your "own". Our streets that time were full of British soldiers on patrol, a sense of Irish pride amongst the aggravation. Mean while in North Antrim where I'm from you could have been pulled over for carrying a hurling stick.For a time they even made a law that you couldn't carry a hurl without a sliotar. Something silly like that. But i always thought that where i came from in North Antrim the match day programs for our hurling teams under "occupations" would read like this. Very typically.  Bricklayers, joiners, plasters, farmers some would say they were unemployed not to get caught doing the double. Very few were college educated. Rather than using our heads we were simply happy using our backs because this is what we always done. This has hindered us in different ways. Working physically demanding jobs takes its toll mentally as well as physically. The young Antrim hurler in his prime could be found in a building foundation laying blocks to a line in the gutters soaked and muddied to the eyeballs. While his Tyrone counter part could have been in a warm class room studying the projectory of a ball and learning the science of the game. I don't want to over state that fact and it was only visiting my wife at queens university i made these observations. To be fair and honest I was very envious of these Tyrone lads. I realized at that stage we in North Antrim were doing it all wrong. The way games have evolved you would need to make sure the elevator goes all the way to the top floor. The games are better off for it to, and are generally much cleaner truth be told.Its less and less we see the big agriculture career ending tackles.

I read about Kevin Hughes brothers accident. But to hear Kevin describe it in person for the first time for me I must say it got to me. It meant so much to Kevin that his brother hugged him after the replay win over Kerry. Telling him he played well "I'm proud of you our boy". He just needed that assurance from his brother. You could tell by his voice he was still reliving that precious moment. No one can take it from him. Not really an Irish thing to do is to show emotion, but you could tell it meant so much to Kevin. He will always have that memory to hold onto and maybe a wee lesson there for the rest of us. My God but 1997 must have been a tough year for Kevin Hughes in particular.

Enjoyed listening to Brian McGuigan telling the story how he and Stephen O Neill went through Marion to convince Mickey to stay on another year. Mickey said in his book that he felt he let the team down because he didn't deliver the all Ireland. Probably with Mark being over age in 98 he thought that was it. Like most father son coaches, time to move on with your young boy to the next stage of his development. That decision to stay though was the best ever. And what better assurances can you get than Stephen O Neill and Brian McGuigan and as they say the rest is history.

Mark Harte's story about swapping jerseys with Martin Beckett from Kerry was very moving. How he always wanted to keep his Tyrone jersey but Martin insisted they swap after the semi final. Later on he was glad he did. As Martin died himself in a car accident. A great prospect for Kerry and another young life gone to soon.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c69/BALLINTOY/INPHO_00007512_zpsubjz8k8z.jpg)

What more can you say about Mark Harte, a very tidy corner forward and a fluent Irish speaker a great ambassador for Tyrone.

Listening to the stories about the Omagh bomb and the deaths of 29 people which in reality was 31 people. Michael Monaghan's wife was heavily pregnant with twins. They always wanted six children. He lost his wife who was soon to deliver twins along with his little daughter. Probably one of the worst effected families by the troubles.

The research team of Eamonn and Michael Mallie  along with Stephen O Neills father sharing intimate footage was very powerful. You can tell some amount of work went into putting that all together. I once made a tribute video to Paul and Cormac but found it very hard to get good footage of Paul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnlL3klciw8
I thought it was classy not to show Paul's collision with the Armagh keeper and it switched over from film footage of the game to radio commentary. Just so well done at all levels.

The footage of a very fresh faced Michela was lovely. I still have a picture of myself,  Michella and Mickey together at home. I wanted to send it to him with a mass card but I could never find out Mickeys address.

That documentary was like a part one it seem to end very abruptly with so much more to tell. I could see a new part to it in the future.

If Tyrone can pull off this All Ireland it would be so fitting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on September 01, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 01, 2018, 08:12:59 PM
"The unbreakable bond" documentary was arguably for me, one of the best I have ever seen. T na g deserves a huge amount of credit for delivering a true master piece. A master piece that wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't for the people behind such a remarkable journey. Practically now a days myself I don't even watch tv anymore, I give it minimum attention too much nonsense for my liking. However though, it must be said we as Irish people should be very grateful for Tnags'  contribution to Irish society.

Like I said a few posts back, before my love in with Tyrone started, was the day I heard about Paul McGirr's death on the 15th of June 1997. That was over 21 years ago!  hard to believe but time really dose not want to wait. The documentary was so emotional and for me very very raw. It brought back a lot of memories of following that great bunch of lads. After the loss in the minor final in 1997. I felt like Stephen O Neill at the end of that match. It was a surreal feeling because I'm not from there. But for those of us who would hang around to read the next chapter in these boys lives we were in for a huge surprise. That Tyrone story and Mickey Harte  its author would give us some of the best moments life has to offer as a Gael. At the same time it would give us the hardest knocks life could possibly throw at you. You could also argue that someone who like Mickey Harte who has committed a quarter of a century of his life to the Tyrone cause that things might just happen "naturally". But there was so much uniqueness in each tragedy that even the most gifted of story tellers would be challenged to come up with something so dramatic.

I remember my wife doing a semester back in the day in Queens University. At a time when it probably wasn't advisable to be walking around in GAA gear. But i always remember the Tyrone students  with their club names and celtic crosses on their kit bags. It made me feel good to be in with your "own". Our streets that time were full of British soldiers on patrol, a sense of Irish pride amongst the aggravation. Mean while in North Antrim where I'm from you could have been pulled over for carrying a hurling stick.For a time they even made a law that you couldn't carry a hurl without a sliotar. Something silly like that. But i always thought that where i came from in North Antrim the match day programs for our hurling teams under "occupations" would read like this. Very typically.  Bricklayers, joiners, plasters, farmers some would say they were unemployed not to get caught doing the double. Very few were college educated. Rather than using our heads we were simply happy using our backs because this is what we always done. This has hindered us in different ways. Working physically demanding jobs takes its toll mentally as well as physically. The young Antrim hurler in his prime could be found in a building foundation laying blocks to a line in the gutters soaked and muddied to the eyeballs. While his Tyrone counter part could have been in a warm class room studying the projectory of a ball and learning the science of the game. I don't want to over state that fact and it was only visiting my wife at queens university i made these observations. To be fair and honest I was very envious of these Tyrone lads. I realized at that stage we in North Antrim were doing it all wrong. The way games have evolved you would need to make sure the elevator goes all the way to the top floor. The games are better off for it to, and are generally much cleaner truth be told.Its less and less we see the big agriculture career ending tackles.

I read about Kevin Hughes brothers accident. But to hear Kevin describe it in person for the first time for me I must say it got to me. It meant so much to Kevin that his brother hugged him after the replay win over Kerry. Telling him he played well "I'm proud of you our boy". He just needed that assurance from his brother. You could tell by his voice he was still reliving that precious moment. No one can take it from him. Not really an Irish thing to do is to show emotion, but you could tell it meant so much to Kevin. He will always have that memory to hold onto and maybe a wee lesson there for the rest of us. My God but 1997 must have been a tough year for Kevin Hughes in particular.

Enjoyed listening to Brian McGuigan telling the story how he and Stephen O Neill went through Marion to convince Mickey to stay on another year. Mickey said in his book that he felt he let the team down because he didn't deliver the all Ireland. Probably with Mark being over age in 98 he thought that was it. Like most father son coaches, time to move on with your young boy to the next stage of his development. That decision to stay though was the best ever. And what better assurances can you get than Stephen O Neill and Brian McGuigan and as they say the rest is history.

Mark Harte's story about swapping jerseys with Martin Beckett from Kerry was very moving. How he always wanted to keep his Tyrone jersey but Martin insisted they swap after the semi final. Later on he was glad he did. As Martin died himself in a car accident. A great prospect for Kerry and another young life gone to soon.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c69/BALLINTOY/INPHO_00007512_zpsubjz8k8z.jpg)

What more can you say about Mark Harte, a very tidy corner forward and a fluent Irish speaker a great ambassador for Tyrone.

Listening to the stories about the Omagh bomb and the deaths of 29 people which in reality was 31 people. Michael Monaghan's wife was heavily pregnant with twins. They always wanted six children. He lost his wife who was soon to deliver twins along with his little daughter. Probably one of the worst effected families by the troubles.

The research team of Eamonn and Michael Mallie  along with Stephen O Neills father sharing intimate footage was very powerful. You can tell some amount of work went into putting that all together. I once made a tribute video to Paul and Cormac but found it very hard to get good footage of Paul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnlL3klciw8
I thought it was classy not to show Paul's collision with the Armagh keeper and it switched over from film footage of the game to radio commentary. Just so well done at all levels.

The footage of a very fresh faced Michela was lovely. I still have a picture of myself,  Michella and Mickey together at home. I wanted to send it to him with a mass card but I could never find out Mickeys address.

That documentary was like a part one it seem to end very abruptly with so much more to tell. I could see a new part to it in the future.

If Tyrone can pull off this All Ireland it would be so fitting.

You don't always get what you deserve in life and if we get beat tomorrow it is just another magnificent step in the pleasures of being born and bred among the bushes. Tir Eoghain  Abu.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hotrocks on September 01, 2018, 11:38:37 PM
Off to my bed full of nerves.  Heading off nice and early to try avoid some of traffic. Hope all supporters traveling get there and back safe and sound. Tir Eoghain Abu!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 02, 2018, 08:44:50 AM
safe travels to all going to the game today. time to march on Dublin like the great hugh o neill marched on Kinsale with sword and shield in hand over 400 years ago, and basically, cut the shite out of them! time to start putting a few celtic crosses in these tyrone players pockets. best of luck to them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on September 02, 2018, 01:50:54 PM
I watched back some highlights of the great games I the naughties. All the finals, the Dublin games etc. What teams they were and I got particular confidence from the 08 win. That wasn't a team full of outstanding forwards but they stood up big time. Guys you never hear mentioned any more were the backbone of that team.

Tyrone Abu, Tyrone by 5
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 02, 2018, 06:12:22 PM
missed opportunity there. well flagged up on here this week about getting big man on edge of square and plenty of high ball in early. what do we do? wait til the f**king game is near over then start doin it! Dublin were rubbish for first 20 mins and we didn't hurt them enough. same fuckin shite. 16 wides again and all the talk about stevie o neill making a difference. cant fault the players for effort but that's probably the poorest coached tyrone attack ive ever seen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 02, 2018, 07:08:23 PM
Tyrone were excellent in that first 20 minutes I thought and should have been further ahead. I think Tyrone done as well as they could have done. Didn't throw the towel in. Dublin are a different level. Maybe next year. . .
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 02, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
I wish I was sitting here tonight getting slagged off  by those who are allied too Mickey Harte. Nothing but nothing would make me happier to say I was wrong about Harte and that tonight we would be sitting here as All Ireland champions. Maybe not even have won it but at least give ourselves the best possible chance to beat Dublin. I really don't buy into this myth that the Dublin footballers are better than Tyrone's. Sixteen f**king wides is pretty pathetic. The one area I have continually talked about as Dublin s weakness is there full back line under the high ball. It's just so f**king obvious Colm Cavanagh should have started in there. As our point of attack it would have definitely got us an extra 6 or 7 points at least. These players deserve better than this and if you don't see that you don't care about Tyrone. It's just absolute criminal that our manager has been caught sleeping at the wheel yet again!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on September 02, 2018, 09:13:45 PM
Usually story against the Dubs. Who were the stand outs for Tyrone today? I thought McGeary, Hampsey and Brennan decent. Thought Bradley caused them trouble but Tyrone lost confidence and stopped putting the early ball in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on September 02, 2018, 09:51:48 PM
Tyrone didn't capitalise when on top for the first 15 mins. Dublins' 2 goals killed it. How Tyrone were 6 down at half time I don't know. Beat by one of the best teams ever. Tyrone abu
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on September 02, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 02, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
I wish I was sitting here tonight getting slagged off  by those who are allied too Mickey Harte. Nothing but nothing would make me happier to say I was wrong about Harte and that tonight we would be sitting here as All Ireland champions. Maybe not even have won it but at least give ourselves the best possible chance to beat Dublin. I really don't buy into this myth that the Dublin footballers are better than Tyrone's. Sixteen f**king wides is pretty pathetic. The one area I have continually talked about as Dublin s weakness is there full back line under the high ball. It's just so f**king obvious Colm Cavanagh should have started in there. As our point of attack it would have definitely got us an extra 6 or 7 points at least. These players deserve better than this and if you don't see that you don't care about Tyrone. It's just absolute criminal that our manager has been caught sleeping at the wheel yet again!

Myth? Colm cavanagh at full forward the whole game?

Seriously?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 02, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 02, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 02, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
I wish I was sitting here tonight getting slagged off  by those who are allied too Mickey Harte. Nothing but nothing would make me happier to say I was wrong about Harte and that tonight we would be sitting here as All Ireland champions. Maybe not even have won it but at least give ourselves the best possible chance to beat Dublin. I really don't buy into this myth that the Dublin footballers are better than Tyrone's. Sixteen f**king wides is pretty pathetic. The one area I have continually talked about as Dublin s weakness is there full back line under the high ball. It's just so f**king obvious Colm Cavanagh should have started in there. As our point of attack it would have definitely got us an extra 6 or 7 points at least. These players deserve better than this and if you don't see that you don't care about Tyrone. It's just absolute criminal that our manager has been caught sleeping at the wheel yet again!

Myth? Colm cavanagh at full forward the whole game?

Seriously?
Route 1 Hail Marys as a primary tactic. No one would ever work out how to stop it. :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on September 02, 2018, 10:12:01 PM
I know. What was mickey thinking ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 02, 2018, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 02, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
I wish I was sitting here tonight getting slagged off  by those who are allied too Mickey Harte. Nothing but nothing would make me happier to say I was wrong about Harte and that tonight we would be sitting here as All Ireland champions. Maybe not even have won it but at least give ourselves the best possible chance to beat Dublin. I really don't buy into this myth that the Dublin footballers are better than Tyrone's. Sixteen f**king wides is pretty pathetic. The one area I have continually talked about as Dublin s weakness is there full back line under the high ball. It's just so f**king obvious Colm Cavanagh should have started in there. As our point of attack it would have definitely got us an extra 6 or 7 points at least. These players deserve better than this and if you don't see that you don't care about Tyrone. It's just absolute criminal that our manager has been caught sleeping at the wheel yet again!


Wise up Southtyronegael
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 02, 2018, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 02, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 02, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 02, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
I wish I was sitting here tonight getting slagged off  by those who are allied too Mickey Harte. Nothing but nothing would make me happier to say I was wrong about Harte and that tonight we would be sitting here as All Ireland champions. Maybe not even have won it but at least give ourselves the best possible chance to beat Dublin. I really don't buy into this myth that the Dublin footballers are better than Tyrone's. Sixteen f**king wides is pretty pathetic. The one area I have continually talked about as Dublin s weakness is there full back line under the high ball. It's just so f**king obvious Colm Cavanagh should have started in there. As our point of attack it would have definitely got us an extra 6 or 7 points at least. These players deserve better than this and if you don't see that you don't care about Tyrone. It's just absolute criminal that our manager has been caught sleeping at the wheel yet again!

Myth? Colm cavanagh at full forward the whole game?

Seriously?
Route 1 Hail Marys as a primary tactic. No one would ever work out how to stop it. :o
Hail marys? A typical ignorant response. Let's just say in the first twenty Tyrone done this and got 1-3 or 1-4.. The dubs would have to sit deeper and therefore giving room for the running game further out. But then you probably wouldn't think about that you thick ****.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 02, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 02, 2018, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 02, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 02, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 02, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
I wish I was sitting here tonight getting slagged off  by those who are allied too Mickey Harte. Nothing but nothing would make me happier to say I was wrong about Harte and that tonight we would be sitting here as All Ireland champions. Maybe not even have won it but at least give ourselves the best possible chance to beat Dublin. I really don't buy into this myth that the Dublin footballers are better than Tyrone's. Sixteen f**king wides is pretty pathetic. The one area I have continually talked about as Dublin s weakness is there full back line under the high ball. It's just so f**king obvious Colm Cavanagh should have started in there. As our point of attack it would have definitely got us an extra 6 or 7 points at least. These players deserve better than this and if you don't see that you don't care about Tyrone. It's just absolute criminal that our manager has been caught sleeping at the wheel yet again!

Myth? Colm cavanagh at full forward the whole game?

Seriously?
Route 1 Hail Marys as a primary tactic. No one would ever work out how to stop it. :o
Hail marys? A typical ignorant response. Let's just say in the first twenty Tyrone done this and got 1-3 or 1-4.. The dubs would have to sit deeper and therefore giving room for the running game further out. But then you probably wouldn't think about that you thick ****.

We didn't do that and got 0-5 in the first 20 mins. Not too bad. What if we stuck the big man in and we didn't get 1-3 as we dropped everything short into the square? A competent full back would easily break the ball to the mass of defenders that Dublin pull back and what if we have 0-0 on the board after 20 mins. Tactics don't always work out the perfect way you want them too. Remember when Kerry had two big men v us in 2008? Teams worked that tactic out years ago. It's ok for a surprise element at times but not a tactic to base your whole gameplan around - it would not have won us the game today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 02, 2018, 11:13:27 PM
and why was tiaran mc cann givin the job of marking kilkenny? totally backfired. lee brennan actually ended up marking him late on when he got another point. we got a goal and a point directly from the 'hail marys' but we only started doin it when we were 8 points down with 5 mins to go. if we had of done it from the start we could easily have been 8 points up before Dublin started playing. game lost on the sideline.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on September 02, 2018, 11:21:19 PM
you haven't a clue
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 02, 2018, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: laceer on September 02, 2018, 11:21:19 PM
you haven't a clue
thanks for that very insightful piece of analysis.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on September 02, 2018, 11:40:12 PM
For me it was Morgan that give us no chance. I know he hit some good kickouts but he does stupid things time and time again. I said to the wife before I left for the game I hope morgan doesn't fcuk this up....well the rest is history.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 03, 2018, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: Club boi on August 13, 2018, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 13, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
Say what you like about Mickey harte, but all the rosaries worked yesterday. We got a serious run of the green yesterday. If Tyrone can pull off the impossible and land this all Ireland, we should erect a statue of Colm cavanagh up at garvaghy because he is the reason we are still in this championship. Amazing performance again from him.

I just thought you were about to praise Micky Harte but you landed just short STG. Credit were its due, I called for him to be axed, think he has ruined his legacy and stayed too long but fair play, he has them in an All Ireland Final (all be it without playing the big 3 Dublin, Kerry or Mayo)

Beaten twice at home and then again today by a much superior outfit. Yes Tyrone have improved, but still havent beaten any of the so called other top 3 outa 4 (Tyrone being the other) on the big occasions in recent years. And I disagree with whoever said Mayo arent in that group anymore, beaten in 2 previous AI finals and still the only team to really push the Dubs close. 1 poor year doesnt rule them out just yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on September 03, 2018, 09:05:01 AM
Did anyone really watch the game and still calls for colm cavanagh to be the best sweeper in Ireland...or are use gonna finally wake up.. he won neither hop ups at start of each half he spent the full game like last year crawling around on his hands and knees trying to put in tackles crawling around like bamby on ice he kicked the two kick passes he had in game over side line his hand passing was weak.. yes he won a penalty because he is awkward big unit but rest of performance was shocking worst player on field. Ye measure a man by his performances against the best. Not by what he done against Meath and or Monaghan. Forward line shot selection was awful first ten minutes..no cohesion in forward line men trying to do it themselves. And then finally... Morgan again, don't think micky o neill would have done much better because they are both eccentric but again we will never know because big Mick never gets a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on September 03, 2018, 09:45:59 AM
Yesterday we seen a team that knew the value of possession and momentum and how to manage them and a team that didn't - Dublin have the better and more talented players but they also have the players that don't run into tackles, don't take stupid pot shots and are less selfish. Some of Tyrones decision making was shocking, McShanes GPS stats must be impressive to justify the amount of frustrating and headless bullsh*t that he continually coughs up, and Morgan is the same player McGuinness spooked 5-6 years ago in ballybofey - when he makes one mistake he makes 6 and all in a row, one bad kickout no bother, but to kick the next one straight out to side Fenton is on, but also R. Donnellys shot when he came on from 40yrds, R. O'Neill shot into 3 Dublin men with 2 Tyrone men overlapping, Brennans shot out on the wing, McKernans shot in the first half from the sideline - when is the penny going to drop with these lads after a poor return in the semi-final and if S O'Neill is coaching in that area surely ye have to be calling that dirt out. Very very frustrating watching after a massive massive effort which can't be faulted.

But in saying that Tyrone had a very good year and there is a crop of 6-7 players that are as good as any county has and I'm still positive about the next few years and we should expect to be in and around the business end the next few years as unless we get hit with injuries.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on September 03, 2018, 10:48:25 AM
WHO WAS MARKING JACK McCAFFREY YESTERDAY?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on September 03, 2018, 10:59:30 AM
Disappointing end result!!To witness that Dublin team in the flesh you see how brilliant they really are, was worth the entry fee alone.After 17 minutes I really thought we had them on the ropes, just a pity we seemed to panic thereafter. All the posters slating of individual players on this board etc, catch yourselves on. Id say if any of use done a week of what them players dedicate to our county yous wouldn't be half as quick to criticise. They done our county proud yesterday.

Bring in the club championships now!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 03, 2018, 11:03:00 AM
Cathal McShane had an absolute nightmare.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 03, 2018, 11:19:28 AM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on September 03, 2018, 09:05:01 AM
Did anyone really watch the game and still calls for colm cavanagh to be the best sweeper in Ireland...or are use gonna finally wake up.. he won neither hop ups at start of each half he spent the full game like last year crawling around on his hands and knees trying to put in tackles crawling around like bamby on ice he kicked the two kick passes he had in game over side line his hand passing was weak.. yes he won a penalty because he is awkward big unit but rest of performance was shocking worst player on field. Ye measure a man by his performances against the best. Not by what he done against Meath and or Monaghan. Forward line shot selection was awful first ten minutes..no cohesion in forward line men trying to do it themselves. And then finally... Morgan again, don't think micky o neill would have done much better because they are both eccentric but again we will never know because big Mick never gets a chance.
Just aswell Kieran Donaghy didn't stay in Beragh cos apparently we don't like be like 'big awkward units' in Tyrone. Wow just wow
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 03, 2018, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 03, 2018, 11:03:00 AM
Cathal McShane had an absolute nightmare.

Cathal didn't have his best day in a Tyrone shirt, I think he would acknowledge this, he had a new role in Midfield which he probably struggled with.  Lets not forget though it was Cathal's point against Meath that allowed for this run against Meath.  Hes a young lad and hopefully can continue to learn from experiences like yesterday and realise the levels he needs to meet to compete with the best players in Ireland.

Our decision making and pot shots cost us and our failure to pressure the cluxton kickouts with any regularity.  Too often we conceded the Dublin Kickout and allowed them to build.  Niall Morgan for the first 20 minutes was flawless, it has been mentioned that he is a confidence player, one mistake and he seemed to fold, we needed to slow the game down at that stage and get an arm round him.

Lots of positives to take into next year - Here's hoping
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 03, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 03, 2018, 11:03:00 AM
Cathal McShane had an absolute nightmare.

Did he?  He kicked 2 points from play and got on a mountain of ball.  Didn't always do the right thing granted and some silly mistakes and shot selections yes indeed but I wouldn't say he had a nightmare game.  He was involved I would say, did some good things, did some not so good things.  Full of endeavour.  Game yesterday will have brought him on massively & think we will see him in MF a lot more in the coming years.

Any decent sizeable forwards out there we could utilise ala, Kieran Donaghy?  Still a place for it last 10-15 minutes of a chasing game.  A Niall McKenna or Aidan Cassidy are the only 2 that spring to mind but both no longer on the panel.  Most of the forwards we have now are runners but we still need an outlet.  Ritchie Donnelly hasnt really done it this past few games, from seeing him I would still have Niall MCkenna or Aidan Cassidy ahead of him but he has the youth on his side.

Im not sure there is anyone else in the county?  Football is such a runners game but a long Armaghesq diagonal still works a treat.       
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 03, 2018, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 03, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 03, 2018, 11:03:00 AM
Cathal McShane had an absolute nightmare.

Did he?  He kicked 2 points from play and got on a mountain of ball.  Didn't always do the right thing granted and some silly mistakes and shot selections yes indeed but I wouldn't say he had a nightmare game.  He was involved I would say, did some good things, did some not so good things.  Full of endeavour.  Game yesterday will have brought him on massively & think we will see him in MF a lot more in the coming years.

Any decent sizeable forwards out there we could utilise ala, Kieran Donaghy?  Still a place for it last 10-15 minutes of a chasing game.  A Niall McKenna or Aidan Cassidy are the only 2 that spring to mind but both no longer on the panel.  Most of the forwards we have now are runners but we still need an outlet.  Ritchie Donnelly hasnt really done it this past few games, from seeing him I would still have Niall MCkenna or Aidan Cassidy ahead of him but he has the youth on his side.

Im not sure there is anyone else in the county?  Football is such a runners game but a long Armaghesq diagonal still works a treat.     

Agree with Christmas' assessment on Cathal. Bar one or two bad wides, I thought he did rightly. He was involved in Tyrone's first 6 scores. The pass for Bradley, his own score, won a rare kick out from Cluxton that saw a score and won the free for McAliskey's score. I genuinely thought he led the Tyrone charge in the first 18 minutes or so. and off the top of my head ended up Tyrone's top scorer from play! 

I would suggest he got more possession of the ball than his marker James McCarthy as well.

Appreciate that I have the rose tints on. Was he man of the match? No. Could he have done better? Yes. However to assess his game as a nightmare is over the top.

I'm not one for slagging off amateur players, especially in that tone, but he give it a better lash than some our experienced players.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on September 03, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
I know its not going to happen but I think a change of management could improve Tyrone. It would bring a freshness to the squad and county and give players a chance to impress a new manager. New ideas, new thinking, maybe find a couple of players that the present management haven't seen, trusted etc.
Tyrone did well to make the final yesterday and played reasonably well so this is not a go at Mickey Harte before the usual suspects have a go.
I just feel if we keep doing the same thing we will keep getting the same results. Lets try someone different, something different.
Fair play to all involved for the commitment they give when many counties seem to have given up. Tyrone have kept going and are one of only 4/5 teams who seem to believe they can stop Dublin. I think its going to have to be a case of Dublin coming back to the pack than the pack catching up though!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 03, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
Have to agree about McShane. Thought he had a decent game.  Picked up a lot of ball and was direct when on the ball. The few times he coughed up possession was i thought more to do with no support.  His attempt with the outside of the boot ,when it was easier with the inside of his right boot, was a big moment as Dublin went down field scored and from morgans kick out everything went to shit!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on September 03, 2018, 01:20:12 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 03, 2018, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 03, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 03, 2018, 11:03:00 AM
Cathal McShane had an absolute nightmare.

Did he?  He kicked 2 points from play and got on a mountain of ball.  Didn't always do the right thing granted and some silly mistakes and shot selections yes indeed but I wouldn't say he had a nightmare game.  He was involved I would say, did some good things, did some not so good things.  Full of endeavour.  Game yesterday will have brought him on massively & think we will see him in MF a lot more in the coming years.

Any decent sizeable forwards out there we could utilise ala, Kieran Donaghy?  Still a place for it last 10-15 minutes of a chasing game.  A Niall McKenna or Aidan Cassidy are the only 2 that spring to mind but both no longer on the panel.  Most of the forwards we have now are runners but we still need an outlet.  Ritchie Donnelly hasnt really done it this past few games, from seeing him I would still have Niall MCkenna or Aidan Cassidy ahead of him but he has the youth on his side.

Im not sure there is anyone else in the county?  Football is such a runners game but a long Armaghesq diagonal still works a treat.     

Agree with Christmas' assessment on Cathal. Bar one or two bad wides, I thought he did rightly. He was involved in Tyrone's first 6 scores. The pass for Bradley, his own score, won a rare kick out from Cluxton that saw a score and won the free for McAliskey's score. I genuinely thought he led the Tyrone charge in the first 18 minutes or so. and off the top of my head ended up Tyrone's top scorer from play! 

I would suggest he got more possession of the ball than his marker James McCarthy as well.

Appreciate that I have the rose tints on. Was he man of the match? No. Could he have done better? Yes. However to assess his game as a nightmare is over the top.

I'm not one for slagging off amateur players, especially in that tone, but he give it a better lash than some our experienced players.
Similar glasses on here but there was an awful lot of good mixed in with a bit of bad. He had two points, a few good interceptions and a couple of sublime passes inside.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on September 03, 2018, 01:27:16 PM
Why would you compare donaghy to cavanagh..donaghy scored goals and points for fun. Cavanagh cant run without tripping over himself maybe that's why he was told to sit in the full back line.. donaghy is stylish..he can play basketball and be star of show. If cavanagh played basketball he would need knee pads elbow pads and goggle protection..

So the solution to our problem is... put colly cavanagh full forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 03, 2018, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on September 03, 2018, 01:27:16 PM
Why would you compare donaghy to cavanagh..donaghy scored goals and points for fun. Cavanagh cant run without tripping over himself maybe that's why he was told to sit in the full back line.. donaghy is stylish..he can play basketball and be star of show. If cavanagh played basketball he would need knee pads elbow pads and goggle protection..

So the solution to our problem is... put colly cavanagh full forward.

Colm did play basketball

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/colm-cavanagh-139284

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 03, 2018, 01:35:26 PM
McShane kicked some very bad wides. Like horrendous. Can't remember him winning any battle in MF and can distinctly remember McCarthy out-fielding him a number of times. Perhaps at junior level you can get away with it, but at this level afraid not.
Anyway I'm sure he tried his very best. Needs to work harder on some aspects of his game though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 03, 2018, 01:39:59 PM
Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on September 03, 2018, 01:27:16 PM
Why would you compare donaghy to cavanagh..donaghy scored goals and points for fun. Cavanagh cant run without tripping over himself maybe that's why he was told to sit in the full back line.. donaghy is stylish..he can play basketball and be star of show. If cavanagh played basketball he would need knee pads elbow pads and goggle protection..

So the solution to our problem is... put colly cavanagh full forward.
yeah your right Colm is so shit he shouldn't even be on the Moy team. Wow just wow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on September 03, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
Colm struggled to get into the game surely but I would put that down to the sweeper role that Mickey has him play (which Dublin seem to be able to cancel out anytime we play them anyway) McShane for me was poor but did show plenty of promise and good play up until the Dublin goal, however he and a few others (Meyer, McGeary, Harte) got caught carrying balls into tackles and coughed up possession trying to do too much on their own I felt. I think it was STG who said on here that Mattie Donnelly is not captain material which after much deliberation, I have to agree with. Too many times on the big day he doesn't do the business. Can't see him taking the game by the scruff of the neck and leading his team forward. Niall sludden was also nowhere to be seen, not slating him as a player but I have to wonder is there somewhere else we can play him to make him have more of an impact? Plenty of promise shown yesterday but we need to build on it. Also that Dublin team had more of their players in their own half on more occasions than we did and don't see them getting slated too often.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 03, 2018, 03:08:20 PM
Quote from: The Trap on September 03, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
I know its not going to happen but I think a change of management could improve Tyrone. It would bring a freshness to the squad and county and give players a chance to impress a new manager. New ideas, new thinking, maybe find a couple of players that the present management haven't seen, trusted etc.
Tyrone did well to make the final yesterday and played reasonably well so this is not a go at Mickey Harte before the usual suspects have a go.
I just feel if we keep doing the same thing we will keep getting the same results. Lets try someone different, something different.
Fair play to all involved for the commitment they give when many counties seem to have given up. Tyrone have kept going and are one of only 4/5 teams who seem to believe they can stop Dublin. I think its going to have to be a case of Dublin coming back to the pack than the pack catching up though!

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Think a change is definitely needed to bring freshness and new ideas but micky has too much power in Tyrone and will need to be pushed as he won't go voluntarily.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 03, 2018, 04:34:36 PM
Did the Tyrone players really believe they could beat Dublin yesterday?  I honestly think they didn't.  When Dublin scored the penalty which was only to level the game you could see Tyrones head drop.  Surely if the had of had belief they would have seen it for what it should have been, a score to level the game' composed themselves and went at again for next 15 or so mins the way they want at for the first 20. Instead it appeared as they said 'f*@k this, we gave them everything for 20mins and we are still level, we are not going to beat them'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 03, 2018, 06:13:34 PM
I know the players are a completely different generation to me but I'm only after seeing alot of their social media accounts from a nephew and if that's the party when they lose God help the city west if they win.

When I lost big games I didn't get over it for days or weeks and figured out the men crying at the final whistle were the first men laughing and joking on the bus home and worrying about how quickly they could get out that night.

so maybe they didn't have any belief they'd win and are now content with the party and claps on the back that comes with getting to the final.

Anyone else saw the videos?  What's your thoughts?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 03, 2018, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 03, 2018, 04:34:36 PM
Did the Tyrone players really believe they could beat Dublin yesterday?  I honestly think they didn't.  When Dublin scored the penalty which was only to level the game you could see Tyrones head drop.  Surely if the had of had belief they would have seen it for what it should have been, a score to level the game' composed themselves and went at again for next 15 or so mins the way they want at for the first 20. Instead it appeared as they said 'f*@k this, we gave them everything for 20mins and we are still level, we are not going to beat them'.

Any belief they had was lost when harte narrowed the omagh pitch by 4 yards on each side. You'd see that kind of thing when a non league team plays a premier league team in the fa cup. That was subconsciously telling the players the only chance we have is to narrow the pitch. It probably didn't make much difference practically but psychologically the players could've asked themselves why do we need the pitch narrowed if we're as good as dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 03, 2018, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 03, 2018, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 03, 2018, 04:34:36 PM
Did the Tyrone players really believe they could beat Dublin yesterday?  I honestly think they didn't.  When Dublin scored the penalty which was only to level the game you could see Tyrones head drop.  Surely if the had of had belief they would have seen it for what it should have been, a score to level the game' composed themselves and went at again for next 15 or so mins the way they want at for the first 20. Instead it appeared as they said 'f*@k this, we gave them everything for 20mins and we are still level, we are not going to beat them'.

Any belief they had was lost when harte narrowed the omagh pitch by 4 yards on each side. You'd see that kind of thing when a non league team plays a premier league team in the fa cup. That was subconsciously telling the players the only chance we have is to narrow the pitch. It probably didn't make much difference practically but psychologically the players could've asked themselves why do we need the pitch narrowed if we're as good as dublin.

We've seen this every year for the best part of a decade when Tyrone have played Derry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 03, 2018, 09:47:36 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 03, 2018, 06:13:34 PM
I know the players are a completely different generation to me but I'm only after seeing alot of their social media accounts from a nephew and if that's the party when they lose God help the city west if they win.

When I lost big games I didn't get over it for days or weeks and figured out the men crying at the final whistle were the first men laughing and joking on the bus home and worrying about how quickly they could get out that night.

so maybe they didn't have any belief they'd win and are now content with the party and claps on the back that comes with getting to the final.

Anyone else saw the videos?  What's your thoughts?

Who's accounts?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 03, 2018, 10:40:01 PM
What about Kyle Coney? His article last week read like a fella who'd be keen for another shot at redemption. He claims he's fitter than he's ever been an acknowledged that he never showed the required work rate needed. Would he be a man for full forward next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on September 03, 2018, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 03, 2018, 10:40:01 PM
What about Kyle Coney? His article last week read like a fella who'd be keen for another shot at redemption. He claims he's fitter than he's ever been an acknowledged that he never showed the required work rate needed. Would he be a man for full forward next year?

Yes, but very unlikely to happen sadly. Any other outsanding canditates for the starting 15 not in the squad? Conan Grugan, Johnny Munroe? I don't mean squad players, I mean lads outside the panel who are a cut above and more than good enough to start but not involved for whatever reason?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 03, 2018, 11:59:03 PM
Quote from: tiempo on September 03, 2018, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 03, 2018, 10:40:01 PM
What about Kyle Coney? His article last week read like a fella who'd be keen for another shot at redemption. He claims he's fitter than he's ever been an acknowledged that he never showed the required work rate needed. Would he be a man for full forward next year?

Yes, but very unlikely to happen sadly. Any other outsanding canditates for the starting 15 not in the squad? Conan Grugan, Johnny Munroe? I don't mean squad players, I mean lads outside the panel who are a cut above and more than good enough to start but not involved for whatever reason?

Why do you think it's very unlikely? As far as I am aware there was no explosive incident that lead to him leaving and his article definitely had a vibe of wanting to give it another go whilst admiring he was at fault for walking in the first place. Would love to see him back in the panel in 2019.

Alternatively, we could kidnap Conor McKenna until his AFL contract is declared void!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 04, 2018, 05:04:48 AM
Just after watching a recording of the final again. The sacred cow that is Peter Harte had an opportunity to play in Mark Bradley in the left corner but instead swings his right foot at it and the ball goes harmlessly up in the air. A moment that just sums up everything that is wrong at the moment with Tyrone. The most overrated player ever!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on September 04, 2018, 06:48:07 AM
It's truly unbelievable the way some posters on here are lining up to put the sword into the back of some very good footballers who have represented their county so well for many years. On this page alone there are poisonous comments about vastly  experienced Colm C, Mattie, Peter Harte and also youngster Mc Shane. Now that the floodgates have opened why don't you take today and stick another three or four on that list.

Truly despicably low lads. Now if you want to come on and outline your own credentials that might be different. Nasty and far too cheap against lads out there giving every last ounce for your county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on September 04, 2018, 07:30:14 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 03, 2018, 04:34:36 PM
Did the Tyrone players really believe they could beat Dublin yesterday?  I honestly think they didn't.  When Dublin scored the penalty which was only to level the game you could see Tyrones head drop.  Surely if the had of had belief they would have seen it for what it should have been, a score to level the game' composed themselves and went at again for next 15 or so mins the way they want at for the first 20. Instead it appeared as they said 'f*@k this, we gave them everything for 20mins and we are still level, we are not going to beat them'.

Quite possibly but its a fine line. Something I have been concerned about this Tyrone team is leadership.... When something like that happens especially against Dublin who just start riding the crest of a wave after a goal we need to reply immediately... when we score a goal we need to add the next point immediately. Dooher used to be a great man for recognising that and would often provide that moment of leadership that would lift the rest of the team. Its critical
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 04, 2018, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 03, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
Have to agree about McShane. Thought he had a decent game.  Picked up a lot of ball and was direct when on the ball. The few times he coughed up possession was i thought more to do with no support.  His attempt with the outside of the boot ,when it was easier with the inside of his right boot, was a big moment as Dublin went down field scored and from morgans kick out everything went to shit!
Mc Shane certainly made mistakes and is prone to the odd rash decision and poor shot selection, but what i do like about him is he doesn't hide, he is always looking to get on the ball and in a game where he made plenty of mistakes he kept at it and kicked 2 points.
If i was reflecting on my own performance after the AI final, i would rather have had McShanes performance than that of Mattie or Sludden, who didn't impact the game at all and where well below their ability.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 04, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 04, 2018, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 03, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
Have to agree about McShane. Thought he had a decent game.  Picked up a lot of ball and was direct when on the ball. The few times he coughed up possession was i thought more to do with no support.  His attempt with the outside of the boot ,when it was easier with the inside of his right boot, was a big moment as Dublin went down field scored and from morgans kick out everything went to shit!
Mc Shane certainly made mistakes and is prone to the odd rash decision and poor shot selection, but what i do like about him is he doesn't hide, he is always looking to get on the ball and in a game where he made plenty of mistakes he kept at it and kicked 2 points.
If i was reflecting on my own performance after the AI final, i would rather have had McShanes performance than that of Mattie or Sludden, who didn't impact the game at all and where well below their ability.

+1 McShane will come on a lot for this season and for playing in an All Ireland final. Remember, this is his first full consistent season as a starter. I remember plenty of people on here (probably the same people) making the same comments about Colm Cavanagh a few years ago. Give the lad a bit of time and lets see how he develops.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on September 04, 2018, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 04, 2018, 05:04:48 AM
Just after watching a recording of the final again. The sacred cow that is Peter Harte had an opportunity to play in Mark Bradley in the left corner but instead swings his right foot at it and the ball goes harmlessly up in the air. A moment that just sums up everything that is wrong at the moment with Tyrone. The most overrated player ever!!

Everyone around me was crying out for Peter Harte to pass that ball into Mark Bradley. we really needed a goal when we were on top. also thought he was a bit greedy towards the end of the semi-final. apart from that I thought Peter Harte played well on Sunday.

Despite what others think, I thought Cathal McShane was decent. he showed for the ball and kicked a couple of points. Ok he took a potshot but plenty of others kicked wides too.

Meyler's push on Cooper that led to the 2nd goal seemed very naive especially when Cooper was surrounded by Tyrone players, think this could be Meyler's fourth season playing seniors so it's not as if he is inexperienced. Maybe the fact that he hadn't played since the Donegal game was a factor in this.

The Dubs once again did a number on Tyrone's big names. I was at the league game at the beginning of 2017 when Niall Sludden was outstanding against the Dubs in Croke Park. Unfortunately he hasn't been able to replicate that performance against the Dubs since.

If we can cut out the stupid mistakes and if the big players can get themselves on the ball more against Dublin then we will be there or thereabouts again next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on September 04, 2018, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 04, 2018, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 03, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
Have to agree about McShane. Thought he had a decent game.  Picked up a lot of ball and was direct when on the ball. The few times he coughed up possession was i thought more to do with no support.  His attempt with the outside of the boot ,when it was easier with the inside of his right boot, was a big moment as Dublin went down field scored and from morgans kick out everything went to shit!
Mc Shane certainly made mistakes and is prone to the odd rash decision and poor shot selection, but what i do like about him is he doesn't hide, he is always looking to get on the ball and in a game where he made plenty of mistakes he kept at it and kicked 2 points.
If i was reflecting on my own performance after the AI final, i would rather have had McShanes performance than that of Mattie or Sludden, who didn't impact the game at all and where well below their ability.

Spot on.  The like of Sludden and Mattie Donnelly go missing far too often, McShane is a young player who has had a brilliant season and will only get better.

Quote from: Thebigdog on September 04, 2018, 05:04:48 AM
Just after watching a recording of the final again. The sacred cow that is Peter Harte had an opportunity to play in Mark Bradley in the left corner but instead swings his right foot at it and the ball goes harmlessly up in the air. A moment that just sums up everything that is wrong at the moment with Tyrone. The most overrated player ever!!

Are you serious?  Harte wasted that opportunity as he was bottled up and should have recycled, however there were lots of pot shots hit in that period and it has happened a lot this season with McClures effort against Monaghan being the worst given the score and stage of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on September 04, 2018, 11:06:04 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 04, 2018, 07:30:14 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 03, 2018, 04:34:36 PM
Did the Tyrone players really believe they could beat Dublin yesterday?  I honestly think they didn't.  When Dublin scored the penalty which was only to level the game you could see Tyrones head drop.  Surely if the had of had belief they would have seen it for what it should have been, a score to level the game' composed themselves and went at again for next 15 or so mins the way they want at for the first 20. Instead it appeared as they said 'f*@k this, we gave them everything for 20mins and we are still level, we are not going to beat them'.

Quite possibly but its a fine line. Something I have been concerned about this Tyrone team is leadership.... When something like that happens especially against Dublin who just start riding the crest of a wave after a goal we need to reply immediately... when we score a goal we need to add the next point immediately. Dooher used to be a great man for recognising that and would often provide that moment of leadership that would lift the rest of the team. Its critical

Some really innovative thinking going on here. Try and score points...  This man must have managerial experience
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on September 04, 2018, 11:47:09 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill

Rony McNabb maybe - seems to be having bad run with injuries and be hard to get back to the level required for modern game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on September 04, 2018, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?

Galbally few very good young players.  Full back Quinn and Full forward Kerr.  Shields from clogher who was u20 captain might see action in McKenna cup especially if clogher do the double in Div 3
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on September 04, 2018, 12:43:38 PM
Having DD Mulgrew back from injury would be a help.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill

Why would Ronan O'Neill go?  What age is he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 04, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill

Why would Ronan O'Neill go?  What age is he?

Ronan is still young but he has to be asking himself what is the point of staying around. I would doubt if he has clocked up more than 4 hours game time in a Tyrone jersey this year. McNulty may be another one, I dont think he has came on since he got sent off against Mayo.

Why would anyone stay on year after year of training and sacrifice to only get a few guest appearances all year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 04, 2018, 01:04:02 PM
Thought Mc Shane was Tyrone's second best player on Sunday behind hampsey. With the right coaching to cut out the erratic shots, he could be a major player for Tyrone in the coming years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?
The U20 team this year, although getting beat by Armagh, featured a number of strong physical attacking players who could maybe get call up with decent championship showings for their clubs.
Teirnan Drayne (Donaghmore) Mattie McGleenan (Eglish) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Gray (Trillick).
Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan could also be a useful addition around Midfield were there is a lack of depth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 04, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?
The U20 team this year, although getting beat by Armagh, featured a number of strong physical attacking players who could maybe get call up with decent championship showings for their clubs.
Teirnan Drayne (Donaghmore) Mattie McGleenan (Eglish) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Gray (Trillick).
Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan could also be a useful addition around Midfield were there is a lack of depth.

Is this kid not just U16? Would Daragh Canavan be ready for a call up? When you see the likes of Eoin Murchant and Brian Howard performing at the level they do at 19 we should be getting lads involved as early as possible. Mattie McGleenan is pushing it a bit though.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 04, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 04, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?
The U20 team this year, although getting beat by Armagh, featured a number of strong physical attacking players who could maybe get call up with decent championship showings for their clubs.
Teirnan Drayne (Donaghmore) Mattie McGleenan (Eglish) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Gray (Trillick).
Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan could also be a useful addition around Midfield were there is a lack of depth.

Is this kid not just U16? Would Daragh Canavan be ready for a call up? When you see the likes of Eoin Murchant and Brian Howard performing at the level they do at 19 we should be getting lads involved as early as possible. Mattie McGleenan is pushing it a bit though.  ;)

Is McGleenan not playing for Eglish seniors so must be around the 18 mark at least.

I was really impressed with Ciaran McLaughlin of Omagh any time I seen him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 04, 2018, 01:33:18 PM
Is there not two McGleenan lads one on the u17s and one on the u20s?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 04, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 04, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?
The U20 team this year, although getting beat by Armagh, featured a number of strong physical attacking players who could maybe get call up with decent championship showings for their clubs.
Teirnan Drayne (Donaghmore) Mattie McGleenan (Eglish) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Gray (Trillick).
Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan could also be a useful addition around Midfield were there is a lack of depth.

Is this kid not just U16? Would Daragh Canavan be ready for a call up? When you see the likes of Eoin Murchant and Brian Howard performing at the level they do at 19 we should be getting lads involved as early as possible. Mattie McGleenan is pushing it a bit though.  ;)

Is McGleenan not playing for Eglish seniors so must be around the 18 mark at least.

I was really impressed with Ciaran McLaughlin of Omagh any time I seen him.
I was referring to the U20 full forward. Starts for Eglish seniors as well. Think that was his last year of U20 football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 04, 2018, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?
The U20 team this year, although getting beat by Armagh, featured a number of strong physical attacking players who could maybe get call up with decent championship showings for their clubs.
Teirnan Drayne (Donaghmore) Mattie McGleenan (Eglish) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Gray (Trillick).
Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan could also be a useful addition around Midfield were there is a lack of depth.

Could be a good outlet at the edge of the square
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 04, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill

Why would Ronan O'Neill go?  What age is he?

Ronan is still young but he has to be asking himself what is the point of staying around. I would doubt if he has clocked up more than 4 hours game time in a Tyrone jersey this year. McNulty may be another one, I dont think he has came on since he got sent off against Mayo.

Why would anyone stay on year after year of training and sacrifice to only get a few guest appearances all year.

Jesus he came on in an all Ireland final.  He isn't that far away like.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 04, 2018, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 04, 2018, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?
The U20 team this year, although getting beat by Armagh, featured a number of strong physical attacking players who could maybe get call up with decent championship showings for their clubs.
Teirnan Drayne (Donaghmore) Mattie McGleenan (Eglish) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Gray (Trillick).
Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan could also be a useful addition around Midfield were there is a lack of depth.

Could be a good outlet at the edge of the square

He has serious pace when he opens up coming unto a ball. Still raw, but I would suggest he would need to be taken into the squad early to develop his decision making skills as he definitely has potential. Can't ignore his size also and is mobile.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 04, 2018, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 04, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill

Why would Ronan O'Neill go?  What age is he?

Ronan is still young but he has to be asking himself what is the point of staying around. I would doubt if he has clocked up more than 4 hours game time in a Tyrone jersey this year. McNulty may be another one, I dont think he has came on since he got sent off against Mayo.

Why would anyone stay on year after year of training and sacrifice to only get a few guest appearances all year.

Jesus he came on in an all Ireland final.  He isn't that far away like.

Ach now. He came on because Mickey had literally no other attacking options. Do you think he brought him on to turn the match around? The game was over before he brought him on.

All I am saying is that it must be very difficult to train all year and only get a few minutes of game time here and there.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 04, 2018, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 04, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 04, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on September 04, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 04, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
A bit of fresh blood is needed also, anyone on the Under 21s or who to look out for in the Club Championship?
The U20 team this year, although getting beat by Armagh, featured a number of strong physical attacking players who could maybe get call up with decent championship showings for their clubs.
Teirnan Drayne (Donaghmore) Mattie McGleenan (Eglish) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Gray (Trillick).
Brian Kennedy from Derrylaughan could also be a useful addition around Midfield were there is a lack of depth.

Is this kid not just U16? Would Daragh Canavan be ready for a call up? When you see the likes of Eoin Murchant and Brian Howard performing at the level they do at 19 we should be getting lads involved as early as possible. Mattie McGleenan is pushing it a bit though.  ;)

Is McGleenan not playing for Eglish seniors so must be around the 18 mark at least.

I was really impressed with Ciaran McLaughlin of Omagh any time I seen him.
I was referring to the U20 full forward. Starts for Eglish seniors as well. Think that was his last year of U20 football.

Sorry, my mistake...I must have been thinking of his brother Michael McGleenan, he's some prospect too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 05, 2018, 11:28:30 AM
BREAKING NEWS! After last week's slurry spill that came off the back of a lorry in Aughnacloy, it has happened again! At the same Location on Monday evening when Tyrone Manager Mickey Harte claimed that he was the man that was gonna deliver Tyrone another All Ireland! Local butcher and Orange man Cecil Rodgerson stated "I wouldnt know a big pile about Gaelic football but the waft coming off the back of that lorry even I knew it wasn't right! Jaysus it was a tara hi!"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 05, 2018, 11:51:10 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 05, 2018, 11:28:30 AM
BREAKING NEWS! After last week's slurry spill that came off the back of a lorry in Aughnacloy, it has happened again! At the same Location on Monday evening when Tyrone Manager Mickey Harte claimed that he was the man that was gonna deliver Tyrone another All Ireland! Local butcher and Orange man Cecil Rodgerson stated "I wouldnt know a big pile about Gaelic football but the waft coming off the back of that lorry even I knew it wasn't right! Jaysus it was a tara hi!"

So who is the man? We need to make sure he knows how to get the players hoofing the ball in about the house to the big man for starters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 05, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
Unfortunately the final in the end kind of passed Tyrone by, it was a huge ask to begin with as almost we all acknowledged.

The really annoying thing from a Tyrone point of view is that our so called stellar players, the final passed them by even more glaringly - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Niall Sludden and Colm Cavanagh were very poor (who I pointed out that the Dubs target prior and after the Super 8 game). Obviously they were up against the best, but these were the guys that were meant to lead the charge and impose themselves. I thought R.Brennan done rightly and certainly you wouldn't be worried about throwing him into the starting team from here on. Mark Bradley as well.

Looking ahead, Tyrone are in a relatively decent place - Dublin can't and won't go forever. Mayo and Kerry have a new set up to come. Monaghan will be gutted - but will certainly be back next year almong the final 4 or so depending on the draw.

Up to Mickey Harte now to get out and look at the club championship, if Dublin can pull a Eoin Murchan out of nowhere to essentially kill an opposition player with his athleticism, Tyrone should be looking to invest in a few project players - we badly, badly need big men into that team in the forward line or at least big men able to sit in Midfield, not saying these guys need to play every game but horses for courses - Tyrone got the penalty from the most basic of tactics (never a penalty btw). These 'samey' type players are really not what we need going forward, every game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 05, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 05, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
Unfortunately the final in the end kind of passed Tyrone by, it was a huge ask to begin with as almost we all acknowledged.

The really annoying thing from a Tyrone point of view is that our so called stellar players, the final passed them by even more glaringly - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Niall Sludden and Colm Cavanagh were very poor (who I pointed out that the Dubs target prior and after the Super 8 game). Obviously they were up against the best, but these were the guys that were meant to lead the charge and impose themselves. I thought R.Brennan done rightly and certainly you wouldn't be worried about throwing him into the starting team from here on. Mark Bradley as well.

Looking ahead, Tyrone are in a relatively decent place - Dublin can't and won't go forever. Mayo and Kerry have a new set up to come. Monaghan will be gutted - but will certainly be back next year almong the final 4 or so depending on the draw.

Up to Mickey Harte now to get out and look at the club championship, if Dublin can pull a Eoin Murchan out of nowhere to essentially kill an opposition player with his athleticism, Tyrone should be looking to invest in a few project players - we badly, badly need big men into that team in the forward line or at least big men able to sit in Midfield, not saying these guys need to play every game but horses for courses - Tyrone got the penalty from the most basic of tactics (never a penalty btw). These 'samey' type players are really not what we need going forward, every game.
I thought Peter was one of the better performers on the day. Albeit I haven't watched it back on TV.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 05, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
Said it already but what about Kyle Coney? Would he be worth another shot? He sounds up for it based on his article last week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 05, 2018, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 05, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
Said it already but what about Kyle Coney? Would he be worth another shot? He sounds up for it based on his article last week.

There was talk about Harte phoning him up asking him to come back during the qualifiers when ever Brennan and Bradley were out injured. I heard it on good authority that he flatly turned them down. If that is true I would doubt if Mickey would go asking him again. Besides hes 28 now, no point in bringing him back for a year or two. Took him 10 years to figure out you have to put in the hard work.

Mickey is better off looking at new players who put in the effort and are hungry for success. I would like to see McNulty playing more. I have only seen him a few times but I remember being impressed at his direct running, plus he is a massive lad that could be used in midfield or in full forward line for Brennan or Bradley to feed off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on September 05, 2018, 02:52:49 PM
The reason Kyle Coney refused to join the panel is because he was struggling badly with a knee injury at the time and did not want to be joining the panel unless 100% fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 05, 2018, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 05, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 05, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
Unfortunately the final in the end kind of passed Tyrone by, it was a huge ask to begin with as almost we all acknowledged.

The really annoying thing from a Tyrone point of view is that our so called stellar players, the final passed them by even more glaringly - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Niall Sludden and Colm Cavanagh were very poor (who I pointed out that the Dubs target prior and after the Super 8 game). Obviously they were up against the best, but these were the guys that were meant to lead the charge and impose themselves. I thought R.Brennan done rightly and certainly you wouldn't be worried about throwing him into the starting team from here on. Mark Bradley as well.

Looking ahead, Tyrone are in a relatively decent place - Dublin can't and won't go forever. Mayo and Kerry have a new set up to come. Monaghan will be gutted - but will certainly be back next year almong the final 4 or so depending on the draw.

Up to Mickey Harte now to get out and look at the club championship, if Dublin can pull a Eoin Murchan out of nowhere to essentially kill an opposition player with his athleticism, Tyrone should be looking to invest in a few project players - we badly, badly need big men into that team in the forward line or at least big men able to sit in Midfield, not saying these guys need to play every game but horses for courses - Tyrone got the penalty from the most basic of tactics (never a penalty btw). These 'samey' type players are really not what we need going forward, every game.
I thought Peter was one of the better performers on the day. Albeit I haven't watched it back on TV.

I thought the same at the game actually UNTIL I watched it back on TV.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 05, 2018, 05:37:28 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 05, 2018, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 05, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 05, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
Unfortunately the final in the end kind of passed Tyrone by, it was a huge ask to begin with as almost we all acknowledged.

The really annoying thing from a Tyrone point of view is that our so called stellar players, the final passed them by even more glaringly - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Niall Sludden and Colm Cavanagh were very poor (who I pointed out that the Dubs target prior and after the Super 8 game). Obviously they were up against the best, but these were the guys that were meant to lead the charge and impose themselves. I thought R.Brennan done rightly and certainly you wouldn't be worried about throwing him into the starting team from here on. Mark Bradley as well.

Looking ahead, Tyrone are in a relatively decent place - Dublin can't and won't go forever. Mayo and Kerry have a new set up to come. Monaghan will be gutted - but will certainly be back next year almong the final 4 or so depending on the draw.

Up to Mickey Harte now to get out and look at the club championship, if Dublin can pull a Eoin Murchan out of nowhere to essentially kill an opposition player with his athleticism, Tyrone should be looking to invest in a few project players - we badly, badly need big men into that team in the forward line or at least big men able to sit in Midfield, not saying these guys need to play every game but horses for courses - Tyrone got the penalty from the most basic of tactics (never a penalty btw). These 'samey' type players are really not what we need going forward, every game.
I thought Peter was one of the better performers on the day. Albeit I haven't watched it back on TV.

I thought the same at the game actually UNTIL I watched it back on TV.

Watching the match back it was criminal how many points Dublin scored while under no pressure. There was at least 6 or 7 points in the 2nd half where there was no tyrone player with 5 yards of the dublin scorer. Tyrone must have been out on there feet in the 2nd half as i have never seen them like that before
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 05, 2018, 06:52:28 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 05, 2018, 05:37:28 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 05, 2018, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 05, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 05, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
Unfortunately the final in the end kind of passed Tyrone by, it was a huge ask to begin with as almost we all acknowledged.

The really annoying thing from a Tyrone point of view is that our so called stellar players, the final passed them by even more glaringly - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Niall Sludden and Colm Cavanagh were very poor (who I pointed out that the Dubs target prior and after the Super 8 game). Obviously they were up against the best, but these were the guys that were meant to lead the charge and impose themselves. I thought R.Brennan done rightly and certainly you wouldn't be worried about throwing him into the starting team from here on. Mark Bradley as well.

Looking ahead, Tyrone are in a relatively decent place - Dublin can't and won't go forever. Mayo and Kerry have a new set up to come. Monaghan will be gutted - but will certainly be back next year almong the final 4 or so depending on the draw.

Up to Mickey Harte now to get out and look at the club championship, if Dublin can pull a Eoin Murchan out of nowhere to essentially kill an opposition player with his athleticism, Tyrone should be looking to invest in a few project players - we badly, badly need big men into that team in the forward line or at least big men able to sit in Midfield, not saying these guys need to play every game but horses for courses - Tyrone got the penalty from the most basic of tactics (never a penalty btw). These 'samey' type players are really not what we need going forward, every game.
I thought Peter was one of the better performers on the day. Albeit I haven't watched it back on TV.

I thought the same at the game actually UNTIL I watched it back on TV.

Watching the match back it was criminal how many points Dublin scored while under no pressure. There was at least 6 or 7 points in the 2nd half where there was no tyrone player with 5 yards of the dublin scorer. Tyrone must have been out on there feet in the 2nd half as i have never seen them like that before

Was this not a case of the team pushing up to get more scores? Was always going to leave space at the back.... couldn't blame them for that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on September 05, 2018, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on September 05, 2018, 02:52:49 PM
The reason Kyle Coney refused to join the panel is because he was struggling badly with a knee injury at the time and did not want to be joining the panel unless 100% fit.


Kyle has been playing well for Ardboe this year , probably their top scorer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 05, 2018, 08:47:53 PM
Give all we had on Sunday but was not enough.....We talk about our forwards taking wrong options we conceded 2-17 wont win many game conceding that amount..... Baffles me why our top scorer McAliskey has a full tracking job to do nearly the whole time he is on the field very rarely does this role leave him close to goals...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 05, 2018, 08:52:57 PM
Could we convince Dermo Connolly to settle back in Tyrone, sacked off by the dubs be a good man to stop the drive for five. Connolly a strong Tyrone name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on September 05, 2018, 11:04:18 PM
2nd best team in the country that put up a decent display against what's widely regarded as the best team ever. We're in a good place with a very good young team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on September 05, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 05, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 05, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.

Also been saying this

And its now 3 times, in 2 years, Dublin have beaten Tyrone while only in 3rd gear
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 05, 2018, 11:36:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 05, 2018, 11:04:18 PM
2nd best team in the country that put up a decent display against what's widely regarded as the best team ever. We're in a good place with a very good young team.
Are you Il bomber destro?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 06, 2018, 09:32:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill

Why would Ronan O'Neill go?  What age is he?

Always had high hopes for O'neill but think hes just below the required standard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2018, 09:39:25 AM
Would this be hartes first season without a single trophy to show for the year? I'd say Stevie o Neill will be the first man getting the boot anyway when the backroom team gets 'freshened up'.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 06, 2018, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 05, 2018, 08:47:53 PM
Give all we had on Sunday but was not enough.....We talk about our forwards taking wrong options we conceded 2-17 wont win many game conceding that amount..... Baffles me why our top scorer McAliskey has a full tracking job to do nearly the whole time he is on the field very rarely does this role leave him close to goals...

that's a fair point, was surprised he was taken off so early considering his contribution was significant. All forwards have to track now, look at Mannion on Sunday, last man tackling on a couple of occasions to win back ball, same in omagh, he was also taken off and had made a significant scoring contribution when starting to gas. Dublin have the replacements, we don't have the same, therefore we feel it more in the home straight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 06, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 05, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 05, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.

Also been saying this

And its now 3 times, in 2 years, Dublin have beaten Tyrone while only in 3rd gear

I would counter that by saying that, with the obvious exception of Dublin who are probably the best team ever, we have beaten whoever has been put infront of us in the last two seasons. I would argue that 2017 and 2018 are the strongest teams Tyrone have had since at least 2010 and it's not their fault that they haven't been drawn against Mayo, Kerry or even Galway this year as I see no reason why we couldn't have beaten any of them and then this wouldn't be a stick that could be used to beat this Tyrone team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2018, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 06, 2018, 09:32:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill

Why would Ronan O'Neill go?  What age is he?

Always had high hopes for O'neill but think hes just below the required standard.
Ronan o Neill was a star AI winning minor, has 2 o Neill cups. Was man of the match in county final last year I think? There is a huge problem with coaching when this lad isn't making it at county level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on September 06, 2018, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 06, 2018, 09:32:36 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 04, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on September 04, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
So who will go from the panel this year. I would say McCarron McCrory R.O'Neill

Why would Ronan O'Neill go?  What age is he?

Always had high hopes for O'neill but think hes just below the required standard.

RON looked good for the super sub impact roll.. come in a muster up a goal late on. Looks like he didn't get his mojo together like a few others in the more recent games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 06, 2018, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 06, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 05, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 05, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.

Also been saying this

And its now 3 times, in 2 years, Dublin have beaten Tyrone while only in 3rd gear

I would counter that by saying that, with the obvious exception of Dublin who are probably the best team ever, we have beaten whoever has been put infront of us in the last two seasons. I would argue that 2017 and 2018 are the strongest teams Tyrone have had since at least 2010 and it's not their fault that they haven't been drawn against Mayo, Kerry or even Galway this year as I see no reason why we couldn't have beaten any of them and then this wouldn't be a stick that could be used to beat this Tyrone team

I entirely agree, lazy analysis. As things stand, in my view we are a better team than the other teams mentioned in 2018, maybe not until 2017, but  because we haven't played them in 2018 doesn't mean we haven't surpassed them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 06, 2018, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 06, 2018, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 06, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 05, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 05, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.

Also been saying this

And its now 3 times, in 2 years, Dublin have beaten Tyrone while only in 3rd gear

I would counter that by saying that, with the obvious exception of Dublin who are probably the best team ever, we have beaten whoever has been put infront of us in the last two seasons. I would argue that 2017 and 2018 are the strongest teams Tyrone have had since at least 2010 and it's not their fault that they haven't been drawn against Mayo, Kerry or even Galway this year as I see no reason why we couldn't have beaten any of them and then this wouldn't be a stick that could be used to beat this Tyrone team

I entirely agree, lazy analysis. As things stand, in my view we are a better team than the other teams mentioned in 2018, maybe not until 2017, but  because we haven't played them in 2018 doesn't mean we haven't surpassed them.

I wouldn't call it lazy analysis at all. Monaghan knocked us out in the first game of the championship, the lucky goal we got made it look a bit more respectable. We struggled badly against Meath and should have been knocked out in normal time. Had a few easy games and then almost kicked ourselves out of it against Monaghan in the semi final.

We have played Dublin, Kerry and Mayo numerous times in the last 10 years in either the Quarter finals, Semi finals or Final and we have been well beaten on every single occasion. 

This will continue for at least another 3 years as Harte refuses to change anything. Its as clear as day to every ex Tyrone player, sports writer, TV presenter etc that we need to make changes but I can 100% guarantee that we wont. Harte seems determined to prove everyone wrong by playing the same players with the same set up hoping that they will win. Its utter madness.

Next year Tyrone may win Ulster but with Donegal and Monaghan improving it is looking unlikely. They may get through the Super 8s depending on the group but as soon as they meet Mayo, Dublin or Kerry they will be knocked out. Its ground hog day in Tyrone the past 10 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 06, 2018, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 06, 2018, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 06, 2018, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 06, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 05, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 05, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.

Also been saying this

And its now 3 times, in 2 years, Dublin have beaten Tyrone while only in 3rd gear

I would counter that by saying that, with the obvious exception of Dublin who are probably the best team ever, we have beaten whoever has been put infront of us in the last two seasons. I would argue that 2017 and 2018 are the strongest teams Tyrone have had since at least 2010 and it's not their fault that they haven't been drawn against Mayo, Kerry or even Galway this year as I see no reason why we couldn't have beaten any of them and then this wouldn't be a stick that could be used to beat this Tyrone team

I entirely agree, lazy analysis. As things stand, in my view we are a better team than the other teams mentioned in 2018, maybe not until 2017, but  because we haven't played them in 2018 doesn't mean we haven't surpassed them.

I wouldn't call it lazy analysis at all. Monaghan knocked us out in the first game of the championship, the lucky goal we got made it look a bit more respectable. We struggled badly against Meath and should have been knocked out in normal time. Had a few easy games and then almost kicked ourselves out of it against Monaghan in the semi final.

We have played Dublin, Kerry and Mayo numerous times in the last 10 years in either the Quarter finals, Semi finals or Final and we have been well beaten on every single occasion. 

This will continue for at least another 3 years as Harte refuses to change anything. Its as clear as day to every ex Tyrone player, sports writer, TV presenter etc that we need to make changes but I can 100% guarantee that we wont. Harte seems determined to prove everyone wrong by playing the same players with the same set up hoping that they will win. Its utter madness.

Next year Tyrone may win Ulster but with Donegal and Monaghan improving it is looking unlikely. They may get through the Super 8s depending on the group but as soon as they meet Mayo, Dublin or Kerry they will be knocked out. Its ground hog day in Tyrone the past 10 years.

We won a few easy games and then beat Monaghan in the semi final? Did you just ignore the fact that we went up to Ballybofey and beat Donegal there for the first time since 1973? The current Ulster champions who had won it at their ease? Even the Roscommon game was seen as a tricky match. They had drawn with Mayo at the same stage last year and played some great football beating Armagh. They also had put it up to Galway. We effectively ended their season that day so their subsequent matches can be ignored.

I've saw a lot of people saying Harte won't change things and everything is the same as last year. No offence but that is absolute rubbish. He added O'Neill to the backroom team and made 6/7 changes to the starting 15 from last year. And although it didn't work our tactics were very different to last year versus Dublin. We by and large went man for man and didn't sit with a blanket defence. We tried to press higher up the pitch and altered tactics within the games.

I'd like to see us focus on playing more man for man next year. We really need to focus on kickouts (both our own and opposition) as they are so crucial at taking on Dublin. Forward play also needs looked at obviously with a lot more focus on getting the ball into the right area's.

Kerry and Mayo were poor in this year's championship so I've no idea why would need to beat them to prove we were the second best team. Monaghan should have beat Kerry by 7 or 8 points. Galway have a lot to prove still as well and lost easily to the Monaghan team we knocked out.

Overall it has been a positive season with a number of players improving. Still lots to work on but I'd be hopeful the players won't back down from the challenge. I'm sure they'll be a lot more dignified than some of the boys on here and there over the top personal criticisms/abuse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 06, 2018, 10:43:00 AM
Finished runners up to arguably to the greatest ever Gaa team!!

Far too many negatives, Some people are a hard bunch to impress but this has been a great year with fresh faces and many reasons to be happy for the future!!

The future still looks good for Tyrone football!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 06, 2018, 10:55:48 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 06, 2018, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 06, 2018, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 06, 2018, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 06, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 05, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 05, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.

Also been saying this

And its now 3 times, in 2 years, Dublin have beaten Tyrone while only in 3rd gear

I would counter that by saying that, with the obvious exception of Dublin who are probably the best team ever, we have beaten whoever has been put infront of us in the last two seasons. I would argue that 2017 and 2018 are the strongest teams Tyrone have had since at least 2010 and it's not their fault that they haven't been drawn against Mayo, Kerry or even Galway this year as I see no reason why we couldn't have beaten any of them and then this wouldn't be a stick that could be used to beat this Tyrone team

I entirely agree, lazy analysis. As things stand, in my view we are a better team than the other teams mentioned in 2018, maybe not until 2017, but  because we haven't played them in 2018 doesn't mean we haven't surpassed them.

I wouldn't call it lazy analysis at all. Monaghan knocked us out in the first game of the championship, the lucky goal we got made it look a bit more respectable. We struggled badly against Meath and should have been knocked out in normal time. Had a few easy games and then almost kicked ourselves out of it against Monaghan in the semi final.

We have played Dublin, Kerry and Mayo numerous times in the last 10 years in either the Quarter finals, Semi finals or Final and we have been well beaten on every single occasion. 

This will continue for at least another 3 years as Harte refuses to change anything. Its as clear as day to every ex Tyrone player, sports writer, TV presenter etc that we need to make changes but I can 100% guarantee that we wont. Harte seems determined to prove everyone wrong by playing the same players with the same set up hoping that they will win. Its utter madness.

Next year Tyrone may win Ulster but with Donegal and Monaghan improving it is looking unlikely. They may get through the Super 8s depending on the group but as soon as they meet Mayo, Dublin or Kerry they will be knocked out. Its ground hog day in Tyrone the past 10 years.

We won a few easy games and then beat Monaghan in the semi final? Did you just ignore the fact that we went up to Ballybofey and beat Donegal there for the first time since 1973? The current Ulster champions who had won it at their ease? Even the Roscommon game was seen as a tricky match. They had drawn with Mayo at the same stage last year and played some great football beating Armagh. They also had put it up to Galway. We effectively ended their season that day so their subsequent matches can be ignored.

I've saw a lot of people saying Harte won't change things and everything is the same as last year. No offence but that is absolute rubbish. He added O'Neill to the backroom team and made 6/7 changes to the starting 15 from last year. And although it didn't work our tactics were very different to last year versus Dublin. We by and large went man for man and didn't sit with a blanket defence. We tried to press higher up the pitch and altered tactics within the games.

I'd like to see us focus on playing more man for man next year. We really need to focus on kickouts (both our own and opposition) as they are so crucial at taking on Dublin. Forward play also needs looked at obviously with a lot more focus on getting the ball into the right area's.

Kerry and Mayo were poor in this year's championship so I've no idea why would need to beat them to prove we were the second best team. Monaghan should have beat Kerry by 7 or 8 points. Galway have a lot to prove still as well and lost easily to the Monaghan team we knocked out.

Overall it has been a positive season with a number of players improving. Still lots to work on but I'd be hopeful the players won't back down from the challenge. I'm sure they'll be a lot more dignified than some of the boys on here and there over the top personal criticisms/abuse.

Just to make it clear I am offering constructive criticism, I am not bashing anyone but no one can or should ignore that we still have work to do. I care about Tyrone football and want them to reach their potential. 

Donegal won the easiest Ulster in recent years. This Dongeal team are an up and coming team and are not the finished article. You make it sound like we beat the old Dongeal team of Jim Guinness.

Harte added O'Neill to the back room team but is he allowing him to have a big input? If you look at the last 3-4 years shooting has been and is still one of our biggest issues. Our players still make poor decisions even though most of these players have been about for a few years now. I would like to see it set up a bit like American football where we have a defensive coach and an attacking coach. I just dont think O'Neill is being given the freedom he should be.

Agreed I would like us to go man to man more. While our performance has improved against Dublin compared with last year everyone knew Colm does not play well against the Dubs as they bypass his sweeper role. There was enough articles written before the game highlighting this. He should have been pushed up the field more to put Dublin on the back foot.

This Tyrone team need to beat a Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in order to give them confidence that they can do it. I sort of think its like a mental road block. Beating Donegal at home was a good start but they need to be confident that they can beat the top teams which hasnt happened this last number of years.

I agree people should not have bashing for the sake of bashing but at the same point there is no point in year after year patting them on the back saying well done when with a few more positive improvements and addressing failings such as shooting they could be winning AIs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 06, 2018, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 06, 2018, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 06, 2018, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 06, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: Club boi on September 05, 2018, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 05, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think after the euphoria from the weekend subsides and we sit down and thoroughly assess where we're at, we'll find we are probably as far away as we have been since 2011.

The fact remains that we haven't beaten 1 any of the big teams (Dublin, Kerry, Mayo) since 2009. No team that we have beaten in a knock-out match since 2013 has went on to win the All-Ireland. We are a fair ways behind both Mayo and Kerry. We benefited greatly from both of them having an off year. We were glorified Ulster Champions by virtue of the Super 8. The All Ireland Final was over as a contest after 33mins. I'm by no means a Harte basher but we have to be honest. It's not good enough. Only for a fortuitous Darren Hughes block which resulted in Sludden's goal it was 50/50 whether or not we were going to beat Monaghan. I'm not sure if a management team needs assembled, or if we're simply not good enough but since we lost to Mayo in 2016, everything has been geared towards to the Dubs both fitness wise and system wise, and now twice we have come up short. I detest mentioning him but I listen to Wooly Parkinson but he called it completely right last week, Colly Cav and/or his role was completely negated by the Dubs, so essentially we were 15 v 14 for the whole match. I'm just not sure where we go or what we do from here, if we're not as fit as the Dubs, then do we need a new trainer, if our system is outdated then do we need a new manager? Or is it simply that we don't have the players? I'm sure we will all watch club championship games over the next few months and see classy, strong athletic players who we know just won't fit in with Mickey's plan. So I'll let you all discuss.

Also been saying this

And its now 3 times, in 2 years, Dublin have beaten Tyrone while only in 3rd gear

I would counter that by saying that, with the obvious exception of Dublin who are probably the best team ever, we have beaten whoever has been put infront of us in the last two seasons. I would argue that 2017 and 2018 are the strongest teams Tyrone have had since at least 2010 and it's not their fault that they haven't been drawn against Mayo, Kerry or even Galway this year as I see no reason why we couldn't have beaten any of them and then this wouldn't be a stick that could be used to beat this Tyrone team

I entirely agree, lazy analysis. As things stand, in my view we are a better team than the other teams mentioned in 2018, maybe not until 2017, but  because we haven't played them in 2018 doesn't mean we haven't surpassed them.

I wouldn't call it lazy analysis at all. Monaghan knocked us out in the first game of the championship, the lucky goal we got made it look a bit more respectable. We struggled badly against Meath and should have been knocked out in normal time. Had a few easy games and then almost kicked ourselves out of it against Monaghan in the semi final.

We have played Dublin, Kerry and Mayo numerous times in the last 10 years in either the Quarter finals, Semi finals or Final and we have been well beaten on every single occasion. 

This will continue for at least another 3 years as Harte refuses to change anything. Its as clear as day to every ex Tyrone player, sports writer, TV presenter etc that we need to make changes but I can 100% guarantee that we wont. Harte seems determined to prove everyone wrong by playing the same players with the same set up hoping that they will win. Its utter madness.

Next year Tyrone may win Ulster but with Donegal and Monaghan improving it is looking unlikely. They may get through the Super 8s depending on the group but as soon as they meet Mayo, Dublin or Kerry they will be knocked out. Its ground hog day in Tyrone the past 10 years.

You know I was with you until you said he refuses to change anything, Tyrones system from last season has considerable changed, if you don't recognise that you have no place discussing it at all.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 06, 2018, 11:36:07 AM
I would take your point that Tyrone would benefit from the confidence boost of beating a Mayo or Kerry in a big game in Croke Park. But if we aren't drawn against them what can we do. People are already forgetting that before the Donegal and Monaghan games last month virtually everyone was saying these were 50/50 games and too close to call, yet now we are given very little credit for winning them.

As for the point that we only beat Monaghan because of a lucky goal, we should've been out of sight at half time only for some woeful shooting and decision making (which also came back to haunt us in the final).

Going forward I think we could really do with having a real push for the League next year. If we were to win it or make the final it would be a huge confidence boost for this team and cement our position as a really top team. It would also be huge for this team if we could beat Dublin in the league. I think deep down the players this year may have had their doubts about whether they were capable of winning that final and perhaps thats why the first goal was such a hammer blow even though it only brought the sides level. Whereas if we could beat them in the League the players would think we can beat them in the Championship as well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 06, 2018, 11:57:46 AM
I've missed it over the past few days, but why was Frank Burns dropped for the final - presumably there was an injury involved?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 06, 2018, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 06, 2018, 11:57:46 AM
I've missed it over the past few days, but why was Frank Burns dropped for the final - presumably there was an injury involved?

Underperformance i would imagine - he was on a poor run of games!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 06, 2018, 12:53:44 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 06, 2018, 11:36:07 AM
I would take your point that Tyrone would benefit from the confidence boost of beating a Mayo or Kerry in a big game in Croke Park. But if we aren't drawn against them what can we do. People are already forgetting that before the Donegal and Monaghan games last month virtually everyone was saying these were 50/50 games and too close to call, yet now we are given very little credit for winning them.

As for the point that we only beat Monaghan because of a lucky goal, we should've been out of sight at half time only for some woeful shooting and decision making (which also came back to haunt us in the final).

Going forward I think we could really do with having a real push for the League next year. If we were to win it or make the final it would be a huge confidence boost for this team and cement our position as a really top team. It would also be huge for this team if we could beat Dublin in the league. I think deep down the players this year may have had their doubts about whether they were capable of winning that final and perhaps thats why the first goal was such a hammer blow even though it only brought the sides level. Whereas if we could beat them in the League the players would think we can beat them in the Championship as well

yeah I agree with your points. We should have been out of sight for the Monaghan game but as I said our shooting let us down again and again in the final. It is annoying to see that our shooting is a constant issue for the last number of years.

I am aware that our system has changed and evolved but again our shooting hasnt. Over the last few games Tyrone players done 90% of the hard work in turning over the opposition, getting the ball into a scoring position then either kicking badly wide or dropping it into the keepers hands.

1st half of the Monaghan game I think 8 wides were kicked along with 4 dropped short into keepers hands. Against Dublin it was 16 wides. We can only go so far without addressing this.

Agree with you about the league. Target at least a semi final in the league and build upon that.

It does say alot about the players belief in themselves whenever Colm came out and said they were shocked to be 5-1 up against the Dubs. The team of the 00s wouldnt have been shocked, the would have turned the screw even more.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 06, 2018, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: WT4E on September 06, 2018, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 06, 2018, 11:57:46 AM
I've missed it over the past few days, but why was Frank Burns dropped for the final - presumably there was an injury involved?

Underperformance i would imagine - he was on a poor run of games!

I had heard in the lead up to the final that he was carrying an injury which has impacted on his performances. Not sure how true but maybe would explain the big dip in form.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 06, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 02, 2018, 11:13:27 PM
and why was tiaran mc cann givin the job of marking kilkenny? totally backfired. lee brennan actually ended up marking him late on when he got another point. we got a goal and a point directly from the 'hail marys' but we only started doin it when we were 8 points down with 5 mins to go. if we had of done it from the start we could easily have been 8 points up before Dublin started playing. game lost on the sideline.

No, you would have sacrificed our early points for low percentage goal chances. Colm cavanagh won one duel in the square, Dublin reacted by double marking him and the next ball was snuffed out in an instant. It would have been suicide to do what you suggest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 02, 2018, 11:13:27 PM
and why was tiaran mc cann givin the job of marking kilkenny? totally backfired. lee brennan actually ended up marking him late on when he got another point. we got a goal and a point directly from the 'hail marys' but we only started doin it when we were 8 points down with 5 mins to go. if we had of done it from the start we could easily have been 8 points up before Dublin started playing. game lost on the sideline.

No, you would have sacrificed our early points for low percentage goal chances. Colm cavanagh won one duel in the square, Dublin reacted by double marking him and the next ball was snuffed out in an instant. It would have been suicide to do what you suggest.
I disagree. Cavanagh knocked the second high ball down and Peter harte was fouled for tapover free. So 1-1 first two balls in. If we had done this first 5 mins then Dublin put 2 men in square on cavanagh surely then we would have an extra man out field? Then we really would have been in business.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 06, 2018, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 06, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 02, 2018, 11:13:27 PM
and why was tiaran mc cann givin the job of marking kilkenny? totally backfired. lee brennan actually ended up marking him late on when he got another point. we got a goal and a point directly from the 'hail marys' but we only started doin it when we were 8 points down with 5 mins to go. if we had of done it from the start we could easily have been 8 points up before Dublin started playing. game lost on the sideline.

No, you would have sacrificed our early points for low percentage goal chances. Colm cavanagh won one duel in the square, Dublin reacted by double marking him and the next ball was snuffed out in an instant. It would have been suicide to do what you suggest.
I disagree. Cavanagh knocked the second high ball down and Peter harte was fouled for tapover free. So 1-1 first two balls in. If we had done this first 5 mins then Dublin put 2 men in square on cavanagh surely then we would have an extra man out field? Then we really would have been in business.

I was completely certain that Colm would either start at FF or at least spend considerable time up there. Everyone knew Dublin was doggy under the high ball and even at worst case like you said they would have to double mark him which freed up someone else.

I was shocked when Mickey said to BBC that it wasn't something they had worked on or thought off when questioned about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 06, 2018, 03:08:12 PM
It was a strange kind of game in the sense that, Tyrone win the first twenty minutes and they win the second half. Yet that 15 minute burst by the Dubs before the end of the first half where they scored like 2 - 6 was the winning of the game right there. I think Tyrone were shell shocked after the penalty and they lost their concentration and composure, especially after starting so well, all of a sudden to find themselves level. 

If Tyrone can continue to improve like they did this year I think they won't be far away next year. They should throw everything at the national league this year and try and win that for a start. I think Bradley, Cavanagh and Brennan would be an ideal full forward line. Lee and Bradley need to be on more regulary (injuries permitting)  this might help with their decision making and shooting. I like that big boy McNulty I think he can offer more in the middle. Very unlucky not to get a goal in the Meath game.

Dublins dominance won't last forever Cluxton is almost 38 and he's a huge part of their team. There is a lot to be optimistic about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on September 06, 2018, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 06, 2018, 03:08:12 PM
It was a strange kind of game in the sense that, Tyrone win the first twenty minutes and they win the second half. Yet that 15 minute burst by the Dubs before the end of the first half where they scored like 2 - 6 was the winning of the game right there. I think Tyrone were shell shocked after the penalty and they lost their concentration and composure, especially after starting so well, all of a sudden to find themselves level. 

If Tyrone can continue to improve like they did this year I think they won't be far away next year. They should throw everything at the national league this year and try and win that for a start. I think Bradley, Cavanagh and Brennan would be an ideal full forward line. Lee and Bradley need to be on more regulary (injuries permitting)  this might help with their decision making and shooting. I like that big boy McNulty I think he can offer more in the middle. Very unlucky not to get a goal in the Meath game.

Dublins dominance won't last forever Cluxton is almost 38 and he's a huge part of their team. There is a lot to be optimistic about.

Cluxton could easily play until he's 42 though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 06, 2018, 03:43:30 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 06, 2018, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 06, 2018, 03:08:12 PM
It was a strange kind of game in the sense that, Tyrone win the first twenty minutes and they win the second half. Yet that 15 minute burst by the Dubs before the end of the first half where they scored like 2 - 6 was the winning of the game right there. I think Tyrone were shell shocked after the penalty and they lost their concentration and composure, especially after starting so well, all of a sudden to find themselves level. 

If Tyrone can continue to improve like they did this year I think they won't be far away next year. They should throw everything at the national league this year and try and win that for a start. I think Bradley, Cavanagh and Brennan would be an ideal full forward line. Lee and Bradley need to be on more regulary (injuries permitting)  this might help with their decision making and shooting. I like that big boy McNulty I think he can offer more in the middle. Very unlucky not to get a goal in the Meath game.

Dublins dominance won't last forever Cluxton is almost 38 and he's a huge part of their team. There is a lot to be optimistic about.

Cluxton could easily play until he's 42 though.

I  would doubt that.
If and when the do the 5 in a row next year, that could be the end of Cluxton I have a feeling
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 06, 2018, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 06, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 06, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 02, 2018, 11:13:27 PM
and why was tiaran mc cann givin the job of marking kilkenny? totally backfired. lee brennan actually ended up marking him late on when he got another point. we got a goal and a point directly from the 'hail marys' but we only started doin it when we were 8 points down with 5 mins to go. if we had of done it from the start we could easily have been 8 points up before Dublin started playing. game lost on the sideline.

No, you would have sacrificed our early points for low percentage goal chances. Colm cavanagh won one duel in the square, Dublin reacted by double marking him and the next ball was snuffed out in an instant. It would have been suicide to do what you suggest.

I disagree. Cavanagh knocked the second high ball down and Peter harte was fouled for tapover free. So 1-1 first two balls in. If we had done this first 5 mins then Dublin put 2 men in square on cavanagh surely then we would have an extra man out field? Then we really would have been in business.

Don't think that is true. Almost certain it was first ball that lead to penalty, second ball caught by Howard and cleared out and third ball went over Colly's head and Ritchy Donnelly got it and laid it out to Harte for the foul. I was right above goals in upper Davin.

A bigger problem was the type of ball played into him. It was coming too high and in a straight line. We should have been moving it out to the wing and playing it in with a lower trajectory.

Even Mattie Donnelly's accidental point came in on a straight line with a very high trajectory.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 06, 2018, 04:19:41 PM
The low diagonal ball aimed at the extra man (the corner flag) is the hardest one to defend against. Armagh under Joe McKernan played it to great effect. They use it in hurling almost religiously. Corner forwards know instinctively to sprint to the corner flag when their team is attacking from opposite wing. Space means a little second more on the ball. You can turn and burn or draw the foul. The key is to aim for the side line side of the corner flag so you don't put it out of play thus handing the opposition the advantage again.

When is  Connor McKenna's contract up in Australia? Could some big Tyrone based company bring him back home? Look what JP McManus is doing with Limerick hurlers. It would be nice if Tyrone could bring him back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 06, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 06, 2018, 04:19:41 PM
The low diagonal ball aimed at the extra man (the corner flag) is the hardest one to defend against. Armagh under Joe McKernan played it to great effect. They use it in hurling almost religiously. Corner forwards know instinctively to sprint to the corner flag when their team is attacking from opposite wing. Space means a little second more on the ball. You can turn and burn or draw the foul. The key is to aim for the side line side of the corner flag so you don't put it out of play thus handing the opposition the advantage again.

When is  Connor McKenna's contract up in Australia? Could some big Tyrone based company bring him back home? Look what JP McManus is doing with Limerick hurlers. It would be nice if Tyrone could bring him back.


No lack of money in Tyrone i presume!! Club Tyrone trawled England and USA about 6 months ago and came home with bags of it...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2018, 09:09:23 PM
Omagh Gael, watched it again. First high ball, penalty. Second, Richie donnelly catches and recycles too Lee Brennan wide. 3rd high ball breaks and Peter harte fouled, point. So should have been 1-2 from 3 high balls. Not a bad return.also think it was hampsey scored the accidental point not Mattie Donnelly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on September 06, 2018, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 06, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
No lack of money in Tyrone i presume!! Club Tyrone trawled England and USA about 6 months ago and came home with bags of it...
;D I love reading this stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 06, 2018, 09:32:11 PM
Quote from: Rois on September 06, 2018, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 06, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
No lack of money in Tyrone i presume!! Club Tyrone trawled England and USA about 6 months ago and came home with bags of it...
;D I love reading this stuff.

Is it lies??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on September 06, 2018, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Oghams Law on September 04, 2018, 11:06:04 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 04, 2018, 07:30:14 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on September 03, 2018, 04:34:36 PM
Did the Tyrone players really believe they could beat Dublin yesterday?  I honestly think they didn't.  When Dublin scored the penalty which was only to level the game you could see Tyrones head drop.  Surely if the had of had belief they would have seen it for what it should have been, a score to level the game' composed themselves and went at again for next 15 or so mins the way they want at for the first 20. Instead it appeared as they said 'f*@k this, we gave them everything for 20mins and we are still level, we are not going to beat them'.



Quite possibly but its a fine line. Something I have been concerned about this Tyrone team is leadership.... When something like that happens especially against Dublin who just start riding the crest of a wave after a goal we need to reply immediately... when we score a goal we need to add the next point immediately. Dooher used to be a great man for recognising that and would often provide that moment of leadership that would lift the rest of the team. Its critical

Some really innovative thinking going on here. Try and score points...  This man must have managerial experience

???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on September 06, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
What exactly were you told? What constitutes "bags"? It is no secret but these stories seem to snowball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
On a side note, has the partying finished after we wo...I mean lost the biggest game of the year? Would hate to see the bar tabs if we ever win again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2018, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
On a side note, has the partying finished after we wo...I mean lost the biggest game of the year? Would hate to see the bar tabs if we ever win again.
lads entitled to let loose I guess. been a long year and a lot of effort from players. having said that I seen a few pics in papers today and a lot of lads looked delighted with themselves for some reason. mc namee on r o neills shoulders with a smile from ear to ear and mc clure on the stage with a silly hat dancing a jig?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 07, 2018, 08:54:26 AM
I can only imagine what we'd have seen if they had Snapchat and Instagram in 1995, or 86 for that matter  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 07, 2018, 09:52:56 AM
Apparently Harte gets a right slating in Seán Cavanagh's book. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 07, 2018, 10:07:25 AM
Sure he has to make people want to buy it so it has to have some controversy about his Manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 07, 2018, 01:27:52 PM
A collective sigh of relief could be heard around counties Antrim and Sligo as Tyrone manager Mickey Harte tells media he only likes to work with quality players! Oh dear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 07, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
On a side note, has the partying finished after we wo...I mean lost the biggest game of the year? Would hate to see the bar tabs if we ever win again.

Is this a wind up mate?  I dont want to bite to wind ups.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on September 07, 2018, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 07, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
On a side note, has the partying finished after we wo...I mean lost the biggest game of the year? Would hate to see the bar tabs if we ever win again.

Is this a wind up mate?  I dont want to bite to wind ups.

No wind-up. I'm all for going together to somewhere quiet and drowning your sorrows. But a bus to Belfast after basically being beat after 1 half in an All-Ireland is somewhat ridiculous. Harks back to thousands greeting the Irish team after losing to Spain in 2002.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 07, 2018, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 07, 2018, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 07, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
On a side note, has the partying finished after we wo...I mean lost the biggest game of the year? Would hate to see the bar tabs if we ever win again.

Is this a wind up mate?  I dont want to bite to wind ups.

No wind-up. I'm all for going together to somewhere quiet and drowning your sorrows. But a bus to Belfast after basically being beat after 1 half in an All-Ireland is somewhat ridiculous. Harks back to thousands greeting the Irish team after losing to Spain in 2002.

Is that you Roy?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on September 07, 2018, 05:46:07 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 07, 2018, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 07, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
On a side note, has the partying finished after we wo...I mean lost the biggest game of the year? Would hate to see the bar tabs if we ever win again.

Is this a wind up mate?  I dont want to bite to wind ups.

No wind-up. I'm all for going together to somewhere quiet and drowning your sorrows. But a bus to Belfast after basically being beat after 1 half in an All-Ireland is somewhat ridiculous. Harks back to thousands greeting the Irish team after losing to Spain in 2002.

Have to agree, they seem fairly pleased with reaching an all ireland final. Hopefully that's not the limit of their ambitions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on September 07, 2018, 06:28:37 PM
They've likely put their social lives on hold for the best part of a year. They're young. Let them at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on September 07, 2018, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: laceer on September 07, 2018, 06:28:37 PM
They've likely put their social lives on hold for the best part of a year. They're young. Let them at it.

I suspect the people complaining about it are young as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 07, 2018, 11:11:39 PM
Quote from: laceer on September 07, 2018, 06:28:37 PM
They've likely put their social lives on hold for the best part of a year. They're young. Let them at it.
Absolutely
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 07, 2018, 11:38:05 PM
Them lads deserve to unwind whatever way they want, like their predecessors. The sacrifices they make to get to an all Ireland final are huge.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 08, 2018, 12:17:15 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 07, 2018, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 07, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
On a side note, has the partying finished after we wo...I mean lost the biggest game of the year? Would hate to see the bar tabs if we ever win again.

Is this a wind up mate?  I dont want to bite to wind ups.

No wind-up. I'm all for going together to somewhere quiet and drowning your sorrows. But a bus to Belfast after basically being beat after 1 half in an All-Ireland is somewhat ridiculous. Harks back to thousands greeting the Irish team after losing to Spain in 2002.

Wise up would ye FFS!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on September 08, 2018, 05:02:38 AM
How many All Ireland Finals did you lads questioning the celebrations play in?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 08, 2018, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 08, 2018, 05:02:38 AM
How many All Ireland Finals did you lads questioning the celebrations play in?

I think you seriously underestimate the level of effort and commitment required to consistently find things to moan and give out about, especially during a season when the team actually does quite well. It's a long off season before we get back the proper moaning season again starting with the grumbles about the McKenna cup squad in January building up to peak season with full on personal abuse in mid June to August. I think we should allow these lads one last big moan after a tough hard season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 10, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mickey-harte-continues-to-hold-tyrone-back-37297069.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mickey-harte-continues-to-hold-tyrone-back-37297069.html)

Another butcher job on Tyrone from Brolly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on September 10, 2018, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 10, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mickey-harte-continues-to-hold-tyrone-back-37297069.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mickey-harte-continues-to-hold-tyrone-back-37297069.html)

Another butcher job on Tyrone from Brolly

And if we had won what would Joe have said about Harte...entertainment  / click bait and serious critical analysis are rarely one and the same.

At least when McGuinness puts his 2c forward he's speaking from a place of actually having won an AI as a manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 12:05:48 PM
don't think it was a butcher job on tyrone, just harte. hard to argue against any of what he said though. only thing he was wrong on was that it wasn't mc shane who pushed cooper in the back for second goal, was meyler. on another note, was chattin to a monaghan player at weekend and he gave me the name of the tyrone player who called drew wylie an OB. disappointed but not totally surprised at who it was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 10, 2018, 12:14:53 PM
Can I ask what is an 'OB'?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 12:16:52 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 10, 2018, 12:14:53 PM
Can I ask what is an 'OB'?
orange b*****d.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 10, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 10, 2018, 12:14:53 PM
Can I ask what is an 'OB'?

Orange Bastard.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 10, 2018, 12:38:30 PM
Orange bstd?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 12:39:51 PM
ok lads I think we have established what OB means.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on September 10, 2018, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 10, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mickey-harte-continues-to-hold-tyrone-back-37297069.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mickey-harte-continues-to-hold-tyrone-back-37297069.html)

Another butcher job on Tyrone from Brolly

Have to agree with a lot of that from brolly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 10, 2018, 12:43:59 PM
Sorry , hadn't hit refresh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 12:05:48 PM
don't think it was a butcher job on tyrone, just harte. hard to argue against any of what he said though. only thing he was wrong on was that it wasn't mc shane who pushed cooper in the back for second goal, was meyler. on another note, was chattin to a monaghan player at weekend and he gave me the name of the tyrone player who called drew wylie an OB. disappointed but not totally surprised at who it was.

Wait, what!? Did this happen this year???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on September 10, 2018, 12:47:04 PM
*If true* they should be punished to the full limits of the rulebook. No place for this anywhere, never mind on a football field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 12:50:27 PM
I wonder what proportion of everything Joe Brolly says is Tyrone related?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 12:05:48 PM
don't think it was a butcher job on tyrone, just harte. hard to argue against any of what he said though. only thing he was wrong on was that it wasn't mc shane who pushed cooper in the back for second goal, was meyler. on another note, was chattin to a monaghan player at weekend and he gave me the name of the tyrone player who called drew wylie an OB. disappointed but not totally surprised at who it was.

Wait, what!? Did this happen this year???
yes in the semi final. drew wylie had to be restrained after the game. talk of wylie brothers releasing a statement but haven't seen it yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 10, 2018, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 10, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mickey-harte-continues-to-hold-tyrone-back-37297069.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-mickey-harte-continues-to-hold-tyrone-back-37297069.html)

Another butcher job on Tyrone from Brolly

Logan & Canavan would play more attacking football! Did he see the u21's?
Has Daire Canavan played a senior club game yet. He hasn't even played for Tyrone u20's and Brolly is lumping it on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 12:59:28 PM
Brolly is a clown lads. Talks about all these high profile players texting him etc. Sean Cavanghs bit in the paper yesterday put that to rest. Conor McManus had to walk away from him at an event and Mickey Murphy had to get away from him at the All Ireland final last week. Not a very likeable chap
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 10, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 12:59:28 PM
Brolly is a clown lads. Talks about all these high profile players texting him etc. Sean Cavanghs bit in the paper yesterday put that to rest. Conor McManus had to walk away from him at an event and Mickey Murphy had to get away from him at the All Ireland final last week. Not a very likeable chap
100% , a complete cnt
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 12:05:48 PM
don't think it was a butcher job on tyrone, just harte. hard to argue against any of what he said though. only thing he was wrong on was that it wasn't mc shane who pushed cooper in the back for second goal, was meyler. on another note, was chattin to a monaghan player at weekend and he gave me the name of the tyrone player who called drew wylie an OB. disappointed but not totally surprised at who it was.

Wait, what!? Did this happen this year???
yes in the semi final. drew wylie had to be restrained after the game. talk of wylie brothers releasing a statement but haven't seen it yet.

Who said it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 01:29:13 PM
not sure if he can be named on a public forum? in case there happened to be a gardai investigation or court proceeding? maybe the mods could clarify. I could pm anyone who wanted it and hasn't insulted me in the past. should be a short list.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 01:29:13 PM
not sure if he can be named on a public forum? in case there happened to be a gardai investigation or court proceeding? maybe the mods could clarify. I could pm anyone who wanted it and hasn't insulted me in the past. should be a short list.lol

Go on then, pm me. I have a suspicion who it is but curious to know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 10, 2018, 01:38:57 PM
Joe Brolly on the money again! Mickey Harte is holding Tyrone back. Monaghan players need to dry their eyes. No mention of the homophobic remarks regarding Cathal mccarron. Sure that was great craic wasn't it? The two Wylie's shouldn't be aloud to play Gaelic football lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 10, 2018, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 10, 2018, 01:38:57 PM
Joe Brolly on the money again! Mickey Harte is holding Tyrone back. Monaghan players need to dry their eyes. No mention of the homophobic remarks regarding Cathal mccarron. Sure that was great craic wasn't it? The two Wylie's shouldn't be aloud to play Gaelic football lol

Jesus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 10, 2018, 01:45:18 PM
I am curious to know myself. I am 100% certin that cathal would hsve gotten a lot of abuse on thr football pitch. Drew has a right to be upset but only if he has never sledged anyone himself before. If he has then he shouldnt be complaining.

While brolly is  a muppet it is difficult to argue with him. I myself thought harte should have walked away with a great rep around 20011/2012. I do think he is past it  and for me he is only damaging his rep the longer he stays. Just my opinon but think Tyrone will bd a better team a few years after he steps down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 10, 2018, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 01:29:13 PM
not sure if he can be named on a public forum? in case there happened to be a gardai investigation or court proceeding? maybe the mods could clarify. I could pm anyone who wanted it and hasn't insulted me in the past. should be a short list.lol

Go on then, pm me. I have a suspicion who it is but curious to know.

Lets try this,

Can you tell me which player played well against Monaghan??? Breaking no rules by naming a man here :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 10, 2018, 08:45:21 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 10, 2018, 01:38:57 PM
Joe Brolly on the money again! Mickey Harte is holding Tyrone back. Monaghan players need to dry their eyes. No mention of the homophobic remarks regarding Cathal mccarron. Sure that was great craic wasn't it? The two Wylie's shouldn't be aloud to play Gaelic football lol

Holy sweet f**k.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
jim bob. I have no intention of pm-ing you so you can guess away at the name. looks like your outside the loop on this one. and yeah im trying hard to be more like mickey and uphold my Christian values on forgiveness.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on September 10, 2018, 11:56:51 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 10, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.
If the Wylie's were dark skinned and were being subjected to racist abuse instead, would it be ok to simply brush it off as "big boys (that) can dish it out and take it"? I'd doubt it.

Sledging happens in lots of games, and it will never go away. However there are some lines that should not be crossed and I'd include in that sectarianism, racism and exploiting personal tragedies (for example the recent death of a close family member or friend). Anyone engaging in shite like that is a sc**bag and deserves to be called out on it.

I'm not so sure. Deaths are definitely a no-go. Anything else but is fair game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on September 11, 2018, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 11, 2018, 12:18:06 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 10, 2018, 11:56:51 PM
I'm not so sure. Deaths are definitely a no-go. Anything else but is fair game.
OK, so if in the near future Tyrone are playing Derry with Callum Brown lining out for them, and during the game a Tyrone player comes up to him at tells him to "get your coon nigger arse back to Africa", is that fair game?

Whoa, put your eyeballs back in. Didn't see where you specifically mentioned racism, but no it wouldn't be acceptable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2018, 06:20:42 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 10, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.
If the Wylie's were dark skinned and were being subjected to racist abuse instead, would it be ok to simply brush it off as "big boys (that) can dish it out and take it"? I'd doubt it.

Sledging happens in lots of games, and it will never go away. However there are some lines that should not be crossed and I'd include in that sectarianism, racism and exploiting personal tragedies (for example the recent death of a close family member or friend). Anyone engaging in shite like that is a sc**bag and deserves to be called out on it.

Ah right, so the way we deal with things in this county is, before any shred of evidence that the incident actually occurred, we start a whispering campaign on an online forum where, a fairly dubious, (to say the least) anonymous poster private messages everyone the name of a person so we can all sit in judgement. F**king wise up Fionntamhach, I thought you had more sense. IF this ever comes to light and he is proven guilty then we can take action, but until then I'll leave my pitchfork in the shed and won't be joining the vigilante group led by Southtyronegael.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 11, 2018, 07:23:59 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 11, 2018, 12:18:06 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 10, 2018, 11:56:51 PM
I'm not so sure. Deaths are definitely a no-go. Anything else but is fair game.
OK, so if in the near future Tyrone are playing Derry with Callum Brown lining out for them, and during the game a Tyrone player comes up to him at tells him to "get your coon nigger arse back to Africa", is that fair game?

Wow that escalated quickly.  Like the scene out of sacha baron Cohen's recent show who is America.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 11, 2018, 08:12:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.

f**k off Bennyharp, there's no room for Sectarian abuse in our national sport! Catch yourself on!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2018, 08:37:41 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on September 11, 2018, 08:12:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.

f**k off Bennyharp, there's no room for Sectarian abuse in our national sport! Catch yourself on!!

And you know for sure it definitely happened? Where did I say sectarian abuse was ok? My point was, if and when it comes out we can comment then - I'm sure the Wylies are big enough to decide if it was an issue that needs to be made public. Forgive me for being old school here, but i'll wait until the actual facts are available before condemning people rather than through a private messaging campaign started via a faceless internet troll.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 11, 2018, 09:35:23 AM
I spend a bit of time around Monaghan, and had heard the rumours after the game. Last weekend I was chatting to one of the Monaghan players who I've known a long time and trust. So I asked him and he told me and I believe him. The Wylie brothers are quiet, private lads so I doubt they will ever make it public. Which will be convenient for bennyharp and his like to brush it under the carpet and blame it on 'faceless internet trolls' starting rumours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 11, 2018, 09:36:58 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2018, 08:37:41 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on September 11, 2018, 08:12:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.


Im not sayin weather it was done or not, you are hypa
f**k off Bennyharp, there's no room for Sectarian abuse in our national sport! Catch yourself on!!

And you know for sure it definitely happened? Where did I say sectarian abuse was ok? My point was, if and when it comes out we can comment then - I'm sure the Wylies are big enough to decide if it was an issue that needs to be made public. Forgive me for being old school here, but i'll wait until the actual facts are available before condemning people rather than through a private messaging campaign started via a faceless internet troll.

Im not arguing if it was said or not, this isnt my point, but you said they are "big boys and can dish it out and take it" 
Weather or not you can take it isnt the point, its the fact its brought into the game and its biggoted behavior and sooner or later (and has been the case before) someone wont take the sectarian abuse and will just quit the sport for another, weather you can take it or not, it just should never be said...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2018, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on September 11, 2018, 09:36:58 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2018, 08:37:41 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on September 11, 2018, 08:12:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.


Im not sayin weather it was done or not, you are hypa
f**k off Bennyharp, there's no room for Sectarian abuse in our national sport! Catch yourself on!!

And you know for sure it definitely happened? Where did I say sectarian abuse was ok? My point was, if and when it comes out we can comment then - I'm sure the Wylies are big enough to decide if it was an issue that needs to be made public. Forgive me for being old school here, but i'll wait until the actual facts are available before condemning people rather than through a private messaging campaign started via a faceless internet troll.

Im not arguing if it was said or not, this isnt my point, but you said they are "big boys and can dish it out and take it" 
Weather or not you can take it isnt the point, its the fact its brought into the game and its biggoted behavior and sooner or later (and has been the case before) someone wont take the sectarian abuse and will just quit the sport for another, weather you can take it or not, it just should never be said...

I said they can dish it out and take it (which I mean in general) but "If something really bad (like any form of sectarian abuse or racial abuse) was said I'm sure the Wylie's themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit"

At the minute - we have the word of someone who has a reputation for being quite personal and controversial in his comments about certain issues with regards the county set up. These sort of rumours end up getting picked up on other threads and by lazy journalists and before you know it its a complete witch hunt and a further stick to beat the team by. If you wish to join him in this vigilante group against one of our own players before any evidence is put forward (bar...one fairly dubious source.) then crack on. But don't try to deflect things on to me by suggesting I think sectarian abuse is ok because God knows we've all faced it enough ourselves over the years to know its not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 11, 2018, 10:17:13 AM
Just reading Sean Cavanagh s account of onfield 'sledging' towards him. Truly disgusting especially that Cavan tr**p in 05. I've no doubt in my mind it was Cavan manager of the time Martin McElkennon put him up to it. Just goes to show the standard of coach he is. Remember him taking a session with our club and thinking this will be good to learn a new way of playing. Instead it was 'lads to have a good chance of winning go up to the referee before the game and ask how was him and his family keeping?' I tell ye Jim Gavin has it too easy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 11, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Southtyronegael/thebigdog blackening a Tyrone players name online over allegations that the player taunted Drew Wylie over his religion. This is the same poster who taunts Mickey Harte over his religion on an almost daily basis.

Go away back under your rock, Brian.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 11, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 11, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Southtyronegael/thebigdog blackening a Tyrone players name online over allegations that the player taunted Drew Wylie over his religion. This is the same poster who taunts Mickey Harte over his religion on an almost daily basis.

Go away back under your rock, Brian.

God forbid anyone says anything about Tyrone with heroes like Snapchat and Bennyharp around  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 12, 2018, 09:19:53 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 12, 2018, 03:56:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 11, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Southtyronegael/thebigdog blackening a Tyrone players name online over allegations that the player taunted Drew Wylie over his religion. This is the same poster who taunts Mickey Harte over his religion on an almost daily basis.

Go away back under your rock, Brian.
Southh Tyrone Gael is not the bigdog or vice versa. Shut up you f**king idiot! As it happens I am all for minorities playing our games. I mean look at castlederg it's full of protestants, half protestants and all sorts of rubbish. If it got its act together it could make the top six in division 2 some day isn't that right  shitchat?
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 12, 2018, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 11, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 11, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Southtyronegael/thebigdog blackening a Tyrone players name online over allegations that the player taunted Drew Wylie over his religion. This is the same poster who taunts Mickey Harte over his religion on an almost daily basis.

Go away back under your rock, Brian.

God forbid anyone says anything about Tyrone with heroes like Snapchat and Bennyharp around  ;D ;D

Merely pointing out a hypocrite, nothing more.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 12, 2018, 09:36:55 PM
anyone think a few tyrone players lucky to get all star nominations? [mattie Donnelly, tiarnan mc cann, peter harte] and a few very unlucky [ mc aliskey, mc shane]?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 12, 2018, 10:17:41 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 12, 2018, 03:56:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 11, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Southtyronegael/thebigdog blackening a Tyrone players name online over allegations that the player taunted Drew Wylie over his religion. This is the same poster who taunts Mickey Harte over his religion on an almost daily basis.

Go away back under your rock, Brian.
Southh Tyrone Gael is not the bigdog or vice versa.

Yes you are thebigdog Southtyronegael!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 13, 2018, 05:31:05 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 12, 2018, 09:36:55 PM
anyone think a few tyrone players lucky to get all star nominations? [mattie Donnelly, tiarnan mc cann, peter harte] and a few very unlucky [ mc aliskey, mc shane]?
The closest Peter Harte will get too Tyrone greatness is when he calls around too PCs house and takes his daughter to the cinema.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on September 13, 2018, 07:32:15 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 10, 2018, 11:56:51 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 10, 2018, 11:39:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 10, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
It really is a new breed of weasel who tries to garner internet friends by sending around defamatory private messages about players from the county he supposedly supports. WTF is wrong with people? At the minute these rumours are nothing only just that. The Wylies are big boys and can dish it out and take it. If something really bad was said I'm sure the Wylies themselves are big enough to deal with it in any way they see fit and I'm pretty sure they'd want no part in a pathetic whispering campaign by a bunch of internet crusaders. It's made all the more depressing when it's Tyrone lads doing the whispering against one of their own.
If the Wylie's were dark skinned and were being subjected to racist abuse instead, would it be ok to simply brush it off as "big boys (that) can dish it out and take it"? I'd doubt it.

Sledging happens in lots of games, and it will never go away. However there are some lines that should not be crossed and I'd include in that sectarianism, racism and exploiting personal tragedies (for example the recent death of a close family member or friend). Anyone engaging in shite like that is a sc**bag and deserves to be called out on it.

I get what you are saying.  Though, some people are easily offended it seems.  Never been a big one for slobbering on the pitch (do enough off it though) but had lots said to me and had the standard OB etc stuff when playing Cavan and Monaghan clubs before but maybe its just me but it was hardly something that was ever going to rile me.  Sticks and stones and all that.

I'm not so sure. Deaths are definitely a no-go. Anything else but is fair game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 13, 2018, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 11, 2018, 10:17:13 AM
Just reading Sean Cavanagh s account of onfield 'sledging' towards him. Truly disgusting especially that Cavan tr**p in 05. I've no doubt in my mind it was Cavan manager of the time Martin McElkennon put him up to it. Just goes to show the standard of coach he is. Remember him taking a session with our club and thinking this will be good to learn a new way of playing. Instead it was 'lads to have a good chance of winning go up to the referee before the game and ask how was him and his family keeping?' I tell ye Jim Gavin has it too easy.

Here thebigdogSouthtyronegael goes again. Blackening Martin McElkennon's name without absolutely any proof whatsoever only 'I've no doubt in my mind" bollocks. A total mouth!!!


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 13, 2018, 04:36:17 PM
Harte Out, Canavan In per Sean Cavanagh. Admits to dark arts being coached.


QuoteSean Cavanagh has pinpointed the 2009 All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Cork as the moment his relationship with Mickey Harte soured, after his former manager accused him of buckling under the pressure to perform when the attacker opted out of the starting line-up.
Cavanagh says he barely slept the night before the showdown with the Rebels as he fell victim to a bug.
On the morning of the game he told Harte he did not feel up to starting, and ultimately only came on in the last 20 minutes when the match was beyond Tyrone.
Recalling Cavanagh's unwillingness to start, Harte later wrote in his biography: "This moment seemed the culmination of a year's worth of pressure and expectation leaning on him. In the end the roof simply caved in."
The player was not impressed.

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"I had a slightly unique relationship with Mickey," he told RTÉ Radio 1's Today with Sean O'Rourke programme.
"At the start it was brilliant. I was part of that team in the early noughties that were used to winning and he was at the helm. The relationship took a little bit of a turn in 2009, in the Cork semi-final, when he thought I had bottled it. The term he used was, 'the roof caved in on me'.
"My mum was sick all that week and [his brother] Colm was sick all that week. I was fearful I was going to catch it. I was fine up until the Saturday afternoon.
"Saturday night I never slept a wink. I sweated all night. I was probably too honest. I told Mickey Sunday morning I wasn't feeling 100% and I thought there were better players on the bench who could make a bigger impact. It probably came back to haunt me doing that."

Cavanagh also aired his discomfort with the siege mentality Harte consistently tried to foster in the camp. As the years went on, it became something the Moy man was less and less comfortable with.
"There always seemed to be a need to almost hate other teams, which probably isn't right in sport," added Cavanagh.
"I would have gotten to know an awful lot of the players from Kerry, Dublin, and other major counties through International Rules and playing with Railway Cup teams and whatnot. It started to wear thin towards a little the end of my career; I started to see the bigger picture.
"He's got a great way of bonding a team. Is it bonded sometimes by the best reasons? I don't think so."
In a dog-eat-dog environment, Cavanagh says he succumbed to 'sledging' opponents, something he deeply regrets. His infamous tackle on Conor McManus in 2013 is, however, an act he'd do again.
"As my career went on, the less I won. I was brought into the great team of the noughties. We thought we were unstoppable. All-Irelands were coming every other year and things were good.
"But as I became more desperate I did things on the field I'm not proud of.
"I ended up doing things that weren't me. An awful lot of it would have been silly... trying to shout that someone was going to kick a wide or jest at someone after they missed a shot.
"There's no need for that in sport. In my first love, basketball, if you did that you'd be kicked out of the game.
"There's probably a few rules the GAA could improve [on sledging]. Hopefully that will happen.
"Our guys, at times we did cross the line. We had a few enforcers, for want of a better word, in the team. I'd admit that towards the tail end of my career as I chased success and I became that little bit more desperate I did at times cross the line.
"The Conor McManus one, I think I'd do that again. He actually said that he'd have done something similar."

Cavanagh expects Harte to extend his long reign at the helm another few years but admitted he'd love to see a Red Hand great eventually take over.
"I would like at some stage to see Peter Canavan involved in Tyrone county management because everyone adores the ground Peter walks on.
"There's a serious group of players there. Mickey's probably been there that long now that maybe people don't want to challenge him because he has brought so much success to the county.
"Mickey has another two years left. I suspect he'll see it through."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on September 13, 2018, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 13, 2018, 04:36:17 PM
Harte Out, Canavan In per Sean Cavanagh. Admits to dark arts being coached.


QuoteSean Cavanagh has pinpointed the 2009 All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Cork as the moment his relationship with Mickey Harte soured, after his former manager accused him of buckling under the pressure to perform when the attacker opted out of the starting line-up.
Cavanagh says he barely slept the night before the showdown with the Rebels as he fell victim to a bug.
On the morning of the game he told Harte he did not feel up to starting, and ultimately only came on in the last 20 minutes when the match was beyond Tyrone.
Recalling Cavanagh's unwillingness to start, Harte later wrote in his biography: "This moment seemed the culmination of a year's worth of pressure and expectation leaning on him. In the end the roof simply caved in."
The player was not impressed.

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"I had a slightly unique relationship with Mickey," he told RTÉ Radio 1's Today with Sean O'Rourke programme.
"At the start it was brilliant. I was part of that team in the early noughties that were used to winning and he was at the helm. The relationship took a little bit of a turn in 2009, in the Cork semi-final, when he thought I had bottled it. The term he used was, 'the roof caved in on me'.
"My mum was sick all that week and [his brother] Colm was sick all that week. I was fearful I was going to catch it. I was fine up until the Saturday afternoon.
"Saturday night I never slept a wink. I sweated all night. I was probably too honest. I told Mickey Sunday morning I wasn't feeling 100% and I thought there were better players on the bench who could make a bigger impact. It probably came back to haunt me doing that."

Cavanagh also aired his discomfort with the siege mentality Harte consistently tried to foster in the camp. As the years went on, it became something the Moy man was less and less comfortable with.
"There always seemed to be a need to almost hate other teams, which probably isn't right in sport," added Cavanagh.
"I would have gotten to know an awful lot of the players from Kerry, Dublin, and other major counties through International Rules and playing with Railway Cup teams and whatnot. It started to wear thin towards a little the end of my career; I started to see the bigger picture.
"He's got a great way of bonding a team. Is it bonded sometimes by the best reasons? I don't think so."
In a dog-eat-dog environment, Cavanagh says he succumbed to 'sledging' opponents, something he deeply regrets. His infamous tackle on Conor McManus in 2013 is, however, an act he'd do again.
"As my career went on, the less I won. I was brought into the great team of the noughties. We thought we were unstoppable. All-Irelands were coming every other year and things were good.
"But as I became more desperate I did things on the field I'm not proud of.
"I ended up doing things that weren't me. An awful lot of it would have been silly... trying to shout that someone was going to kick a wide or jest at someone after they missed a shot.
"There's no need for that in sport. In my first love, basketball, if you did that you'd be kicked out of the game.
"There's probably a few rules the GAA could improve [on sledging]. Hopefully that will happen.
"Our guys, at times we did cross the line. We had a few enforcers, for want of a better word, in the team. I'd admit that towards the tail end of my career as I chased success and I became that little bit more desperate I did at times cross the line.
"The Conor McManus one, I think I'd do that again. He actually said that he'd have done something similar."

Cavanagh expects Harte to extend his long reign at the helm another few years but admitted he'd love to see a Red Hand great eventually take over.
"I would like at some stage to see Peter Canavan involved in Tyrone county management because everyone adores the ground Peter walks on.
"There's a serious group of players there. Mickey's probably been there that long now that maybe people don't want to challenge him because he has brought so much success to the county.
"Mickey has another two years left. I suspect he'll see it through."

Where does he say it was coached?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 13, 2018, 09:53:08 PM
No Mickey Harte fan but Sean Cavanagh is out of order in my opinion.....Some of the stuff he is telling should stay between him the management and the players he played with ....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 14, 2018, 10:32:20 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on September 13, 2018, 09:53:08 PM
No Mickey Harte fan but Sean Cavanagh is out of order in my opinion.....Some of the stuff he is telling should stay between him the management and the players he played with ....

Cavanagh is a bollox. He's painting himself out to be houlier than thou but I'm afraid it's not washing. As someone on the main thread stated, Tyrone people have seen the real Cavanagh in club games over the year, constant diving, moaning and complaining.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 14, 2018, 10:38:27 AM
As I said in the thread Cavanagh in my opinion was Tyrone's second best ever player behind peter  the great but he is letting himself down a bagful coming out with all this crap about Mickey Harte. Sean was not a saint on the pitch either. How is the book going down in Tyrone lads?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 14, 2018, 11:36:30 AM
Cavanagh obviously felt MH hung out to dry when writing his book over the 2009 Cork game.  That could be argued Mickey used this to promote his book by questioning his best player in his prime years. Cavanagh is right to give his version, he didn't shout back at the time and go to the papers about how MH stitched him up.  Sean put his head down and played football.

I wouldn't agree with all of whats in the book from the newspaper quotes I've read so far but I wouldn't be critical for him telling his side.

P.S Any PDF's going about, message me  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on September 14, 2018, 12:52:54 PM
Don't see what people can complain about.  He has released a book and giving his version/opinion of events.  I wouldn't have looked at before, but so far it seems to give more of an insight behind the scenes than most other sports books probably would. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 15, 2018, 10:13:39 AM
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on September 15, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 15, 2018, 10:13:39 AM
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.

A man that has overseen a counties only 3 all Ireland wins will not go down as a Tyrone great. Catch yourself on!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 15, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on September 15, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 15, 2018, 10:13:39 AM
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.

A man that has overseen a counties only 3 all Ireland wins will not go down as a Tyrone great. Catch yourself on!

He will be remembered as a good manager who got lucky with a group of great players. His record since the great players retired has been poor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 15, 2018, 03:46:48 PM
I don't even think you believe that Lenny.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 15, 2018, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 15, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on September 15, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 15, 2018, 10:13:39 AM
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.

A man that has overseen a counties only 3 all Ireland wins will not go down as a Tyrone great. Catch yourself on!

He will be remembered as a good manager who got lucky with a group of great players. His record since the great players retired has been poor.

He's won literally everything he could have won as a manager across every age level. He will go down as one of the greatest managers to ever manage the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 15, 2018, 10:48:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 15, 2018, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 15, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on September 15, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 15, 2018, 10:13:39 AM
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.

A man that has overseen a counties only 3 all Ireland wins will not go down as a Tyrone great. Catch yourself on!

He will be remembered as a good manager who got lucky with a group of great players. His record since the great players retired has been poor.

He's won literally everything he could have won as a manager across every age level. He will go down as one of the greatest managers to ever manage the game.
Your definition of greatness is different from mine. I may have tipped my hat pre-2010 but his legacy and reputation as a manager/coach has went down since.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Thebigdog on September 16, 2018, 06:18:50 PM
Well done the Tyrone girls today. Very ruthless from the start and the fourth goal was a brilliant bit of team play. Also big shout out to manager Gerry Moan who not so long ago was getting death threats( so he said)  from the red hand defenders but today ran on the pitch to embrace them at the final whistle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 16, 2018, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 16, 2018, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Thebigdog on September 15, 2018, 10:13:39 AM
Sean Cavanagh is a frustrated figure and why wouldn't he be? Since 2010 Harte has Tyrone playing this short kick out, blanket defence, slow build up rubbish and it has definitely affected Sean s game. Sean Cavanagh will go down as a Tyrone great up there with the best. Harte and his pet pig Gavin Devlin most certainly won't.

Back in August, 'therealdonald' asked someone to name southtyronegael. The next post was from 'thebigdog' saying he didn't care if someone named him. http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=2312.msg1836863#msg1836863 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=2312.msg1836863#msg1836863)

In other words, the idiot replied to someone under the wrong one of his two accounts. And he still is too yellow to even admit having set up two anonymous accounts for abusing named GAA people.

He has not just abused people online, but been PMing totally unproven accusations about a named Tyrone player for allegedly making sectarian comments at a Monaghan player.

A while back I posted a facebook screengrab of a facebook comment (with the name blanked out) of what I believed to be his own facebook profile. He actually confirmed in a reply that it was his comment, so his identity is known.

If you are going to repeatedly anonymously abuse named people, it's only fair that you should have the balls to use your own name to do so.

Will the admins finally deal with STG/thebigdog or will his name have to be posted here? If the former doesn't happen very soon, the latter will.

Southtyronegael/thebigdog making that schoolboy error and proving it is just one idiotic buffoon (rather than two) remains the funniest own goal on this board. Won't be long til he does something as stupid again. Thick as shite. Just look at his grammar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 17, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
quote author=Snapchap link=topic=28297.msg1762205#msg1762205 date=1513352242]
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
No matter what you think of Geldof his actions and subsequent publicity have brought the issue of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar to the Board.

In case you haven't noticed, this thread is named 'Bob Geldof' and absolutely no discussion anywhere in the last few days has been about the Myanmar situation. It has all been about Bob Geldof. Which is exactly what Bob Geldof was aiming to do with this whole stunt.

An egotistical, hypocritical lowlife. He is just beneath contempt. Full credit to DCC for showing him a well deserved middle finger.
[/quote]

Hopefully Bob Geldolfs family aren't easily offended
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 17, 2018, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 17, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
quote author=Snapchap link=topic=28297.msg1762205#msg1762205 date=1513352242]
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
No matter what you think of Geldof his actions and subsequent publicity have brought the issue of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar to the Board.

In case you haven't noticed, this thread is named 'Bob Geldof' and absolutely no discussion anywhere in the last few days has been about the Myanmar situation. It has all been about Bob Geldof. Which is exactly what Bob Geldof was aiming to do with this whole stunt.

An egotistical, hypocritical lowlife. He is just beneath contempt. Full credit to DCC for showing him a well deserved middle finger.

Hopefully Bob Geldolfs family aren't easily offended
[/quote]

Do you think Bob Geldof or his family reads gaaboard? Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 17, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 17, 2018, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 17, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
quote author=Snapchap link=topic=28297.msg1762205#msg1762205 date=1513352242]
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
No matter what you think of Geldof his actions and subsequent publicity have brought the issue of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar to the Board.

In case you haven't noticed, this thread is named 'Bob Geldof' and absolutely no discussion anywhere in the last few days has been about the Myanmar situation. It has all been about Bob Geldof. Which is exactly what Bob Geldof was aiming to do with this whole stunt.

An egotistical, hypocritical lowlife. He is just beneath contempt. Full credit to DCC for showing him a well deserved middle finger.

Hopefully Bob Geldolfs family aren't easily offended

Do you think Bob Geldof or his family reads gaaboard? Jesus wept.
[/quote]

Ah now lad, surely that's not the point. For someone who is a staunch opponent of faceless people criticising others on the internet, you actually seem to be a bit of a hypocrite
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 17, 2018, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: In hiding on September 17, 2018, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 17, 2018, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 17, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
quote author=Snapchap link=topic=28297.msg1762205#msg1762205 date=1513352242]
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 14, 2017, 08:39:36 PM
No matter what you think of Geldof his actions and subsequent publicity have brought the issue of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar to the Board.

In case you haven't noticed, this thread is named 'Bob Geldof' and absolutely no discussion anywhere in the last few days has been about the Myanmar situation. It has all been about Bob Geldof. Which is exactly what Bob Geldof was aiming to do with this whole stunt.

An egotistical, hypocritical lowlife. He is just beneath contempt. Full credit to DCC for showing him a well deserved middle finger.

Hopefully Bob Geldolfs family aren't easily offended

Do you think Bob Geldof or his family reads gaaboard? Jesus wept.

Ah now lad, surely that's not the point. For someone who is a staunch opponent of faceless people criticising others on the internet, you actually seem to be a bit of a hypocrite
[/quote]

A poor effort. I've repeatedly stated that I resent "named GAA people". Again, do you think Bob Geldoff reads gaaboard? Away and cop yourself on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 17, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
Moving on....I see Conor McAliskey broke his ankle at the weekend. The lad has had his fair share of injuries of late - hopefully he can make a full recovery again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 17, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
Moving on....I see Conor McAliskey broke his ankle at the weekend. The lad has had his fair share of injuries of late - hopefully he can make a full recovery again.

Gutting for the lad. Seen the photo. Boke.  Hope he has speedy recovery. Must be very strong minded.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Oghams Law on September 18, 2018, 12:55:34 PM
The problem here isnt this loser its the people that are engaging with him. There is a block function for a reason. Even a loser like thon isnt gona keep postin if nobody is reading his tripe let alone replyin to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 18, 2018, 01:46:01 PM
Admins doing their job  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 18, 2018, 02:03:32 PM
Seems to have been a good clear out.lol well done admins, I hope a few bans handed out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HiMucker on September 22, 2018, 12:49:16 PM
Predictions for dromore Colisland game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on September 22, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on September 22, 2018, 12:49:16 PM
Predictions for dromore Colisland game?

It's going west...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 23, 2018, 08:49:06 PM
Public apology from Meyler tonight for his voice message slating Edendork.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Delegater on September 23, 2018, 09:30:32 PM
In my opinion you would think there was a gun being held to his head. Not a real gun in case the legal team are reading this and I get a solicitors letter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 23, 2018, 09:40:27 PM
Should have stuck by what he said as he wouldn't have had a case to answer it was just his opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 24, 2018, 07:58:48 AM
What exactly did he say? I never heard the voice message.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 24, 2018, 08:55:14 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2018, 07:58:48 AM
What exactly did he say? I never heard the voice message.

"He was up sort of fetched a ball and fell to the ground and when he was getting up mcurrys brother who's a f#$&ing tr**p came running over and dropped both knees in his face.  It was a very dirty act I must say."  He then goes on to describe the injuries that he received and getting him stretched off etc....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
Anyone standing out in the champ games so far for possible McKenna cup run?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 24, 2018, 11:26:18 AM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
Anyone standing out in the champ games so far for possible McKenna cup run?

People disappointed that Brian Kennedy didn't feature but heard concussion was the issue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 24, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
Anyone standing out in the champ games so far for possible McKenna cup run?

Emmet McNabb of dromore looked mercurial at times yesterday - very slight lad though, what age is he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 24, 2018, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 24, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
Anyone standing out in the champ games so far for possible McKenna cup run?

Emmet McNabb of dromore looked mercurial at times yesterday - very slight lad though, what age is he?
He was on the Tyrone u20s this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 24, 2018, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
Anyone standing out in the champ games so far for possible McKenna cup run?
Liam Rafferty (Galbally) was brilliant against Pomeroy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 24, 2018, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 24, 2018, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
Anyone standing out in the champ games so far for possible McKenna cup run?
Liam Rafferty (Galbally) was brilliant against Pomeroy.
Ive always been impressed with him any time i have seen him.
Would be worth a run in the McKenna cup anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2018, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 24, 2018, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 24, 2018, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
Anyone standing out in the champ games so far for possible McKenna cup run?
Liam Rafferty (Galbally) was brilliant against Pomeroy.
Ive always been impressed with him any time i have seen him.
Would be worth a run in the McKenna cup anyway

I understand he is on the Underdogs panel this year so will be good to see how he gets on. Will be interesting which county side they end up playing - they'd hardly throw them in against the Dubs??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on September 24, 2018, 02:49:45 PM
Conan Grugan ever going to make it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 24, 2018, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2018, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 24, 2018, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 24, 2018, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on September 24, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
Anyone standing out in the champ games so far for possible McKenna cup run?
Liam Rafferty (Galbally) was brilliant against Pomeroy.
Ive always been impressed with him any time i have seen him.
Would be worth a run in the McKenna cup anyway

I understand he is on the Underdogs panel this year so will be good to see how he gets on. Will be interesting which county side they end up playing - they'd hardly throw them in against the Dubs??

I was thinking the same unless it's Dublin's O'Byrne Cup squad with a few more established players thrown in to make it credible.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 24, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
Mickey to deliver a F-YOU to RTE and send Tyrone against the Underdogs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 24, 2018, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 24, 2018, 02:49:45 PM
Conan Grugan ever going to make it?
Make what ?

Mickeys idea of a county player ?

Anyone who thinks he isn't worthy of a place on a panel of the best 35 players inTyrone is either wrong or has a bias against him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 24, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
Conan grugan could be as good as Brian Fenton. Always a class act anytime I seen him and a big physical player. Can't see him ever playing for Tyrone again as long as harte is there. Real shame.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 24, 2018, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 24, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
Conan grugan could be as good as Brian Fenton. Always a class act anytime I seen him and a big physical player. Can't see him ever playing for Tyrone again as long as harte is there. Real shame.
Ah God I hate it when you agree with me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on September 24, 2018, 04:21:01 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 24, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
Conan grugan could be as good as Brian Fenton. Always a class act anytime I seen him and a big physical player. Can't see him ever playing for Tyrone again as long as harte is there. Real shame.

;D ;D good attempt at a wind up  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on September 24, 2018, 07:12:22 PM
Why is Harte such a hater on grugan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 25, 2018, 10:42:56 AM
I see the county board are set for a nice 100 grand windfall courtesy of JP. Think of all the foam rollers you could buy with that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on September 25, 2018, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 25, 2018, 10:42:56 AM
I see the county board are set for a nice 100 grand windfall courtesy of JP. Think of all the foam rollers you could buy with that.

JP letter to each county board stated the money is to be distributed around all clubs equally.  Also not sure if you are being sarcastic with the point on Foam Rollers - but they are proven to aid recovery.  In fact this one https://backballer.com/ invented by a guy in Ireland is used by a number of professional soccer clubs including Man City and Spurs as well as a number for professional American NFL Teams
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 25, 2018, 10:59:18 AM
Yes I was being sarcastic. Our last chairperson lost her job over foam rollers. Need to make sure our clubs get this money and it's not sunk into garvaghy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 27, 2018, 09:46:48 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 24, 2018, 03:19:08 PM
Mickey to deliver a F-YOU to RTE and send Tyrone against the Underdogs
It would actually be a good thing to be involved in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 28, 2018, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 24, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
Conan grugan could be as good as Brian Fenton. Always a class act anytime I seen him and a big physical player. Can't see him ever playing for Tyrone again as long as harte is there. Real shame.

Wow hold your horses, cant go as far and say he could be as good as Fenton no but I agree he's an outstanding players and should be on the team never mind the panel, for me there are only 2 players in the county who should be wearing the number 11 jersey for Tyrone,a position to get scores, able to spread balls about, dictate the pace of the game and bring others players into the game, they are in no particular order:

Conan Grugan
Kyle Coney

My personal choice would be:

10:Sludden
11: Coney
12: Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Anyone remember what they were doing this day 15 years ago?lol. The greatest of days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 28, 2018, 10:30:48 AM
It was a day when Gods will was done!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 28, 2018, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Anyone remember what they were doing this day 15 years ago?lol. The greatest of days.

I was supporting Tyrone  in the AIF and you were talking shite to someone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 28, 2018, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Anyone remember what they were doing this day 15 years ago?lol. The greatest of days.

I was supporting Tyrone  in the AIF and you were talking shite to someone
oh no. Thought u were banned from here along with Snapchat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 28, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 28, 2018, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Anyone remember what they were doing this day 15 years ago?lol. The greatest of days.

I was supporting Tyrone  in the AIF and you were talking shite to someone
oh no. Thought u were banned from here along with Snapchat.

"On no" he says.

You must be intimidated by me  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 16, 2018, 09:16:26 AM
Is there a provisional Inter County calendar out for next year yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 16, 2018, 10:27:07 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 28, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 28, 2018, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Anyone remember what they were doing this day 15 years ago?lol. The greatest of days.

I was supporting Tyrone  in the AIF and you were talking shite to someone
oh no. Thought u were banned from here along with Snapchat.

"On no" he says.

You must be intimidated by me  ;D ;D ;D

You're  a very weird person Jim. Intimidated ??? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 16, 2018, 11:45:22 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 16, 2018, 10:27:07 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 28, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 28, 2018, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 28, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Anyone remember what they were doing this day 15 years ago?lol. The greatest of days.

I was supporting Tyrone  in the AIF and you were talking shite to someone
oh no. Thought u were banned from here along with Snapchat.

"On no" he says.

You must be intimidated by me  ;D ;D ;D

You're  a very weird person Jim. Intimidated ??? ;D ;D ;D

Wasn't talking to you ; ye clift  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 24, 2018, 06:13:23 PM
Now the club championship is over for the year any potential call ups?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 24, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Eoghan Murray is worth a go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 24, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Eoghan Murray is worth a go.

Ah man get a grip? Should be no call ups from Intermediate champions untill they've played one year in Senior.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on October 24, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 24, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Eoghan Murray is worth a go.

Ah man get a grip? Should be no call ups from Intermediate champions untill they've played one year in Senior.

What a ridiculous thing to say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 24, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 24, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Eoghan Murray is worth a go.

Ah man get a grip? Should be no call ups from Intermediate champions untill they've played one year in Senior.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Agreed. Packie mcconnell, Ciaran gourley, cathal mcshane, Ronan McNamee, the pomeroy lads before last year. All capable county players despite not being from senior clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 24, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 24, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Eoghan Murray is worth a go.

Ah man get a grip? Should be no call ups from Intermediate champions untill they've played one year in Senior.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Agreed. Packie mcconnell, Ciaran gourley, cathal mcshane, Ronan McNamee, the pomeroy lads before last year. All capable county players despite not being from senior clubs.

You're not getting my point. Every year there is a push made for more representation from the intermediate champions and more often than not its unwarranted. You named players above who in the most case had represented at underage levels. Bit of a difference. Although the point still be made that taking big packie and Gourley out, what exactly have we won with the others? Pomeroy with 4 county men couldn't get past Galbally.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 24, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 24, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Eoghan Murray is worth a go.

Ah man get a grip? Should be no call ups from Intermediate champions untill they've played one year in Senior.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Agreed. Packie mcconnell, Ciaran gourley, cathal mcshane, Ronan McNamee, the pomeroy lads before last year. All capable county players despite not being from senior clubs.

You're not getting my point. Every year there is a push made for more representation from the intermediate champions and more often than not its unwarranted. You named players above who in the most case had represented at underage levels. Bit of a difference. Although the point still be made that taking big packie and Gourley out, what exactly have we won with the others? Pomeroy with 4 county men couldn't get past Galbally.

Back to back Ulsters for the first time in two decades, a division 2 league title and a slap of McKenna cups.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 24, 2018, 07:32:05 PM
Don't know if Murray would be much of an upgrade on Burns or McLaughlin. Might be better to gave them more game time to see what they can offer.
I would like see Johnny Harkin get a chance but. Tyrone have a lack of depth around the middle and in my opinion would be an upgrade on McClure. Could also offer a full forward option. Thinking along the same lines I would like to see Conn Kilpatrick and Brian Kennedy also called up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 07:41:55 PM
Brian Kennedy gets mentioned every autumn as an option but for whatever reason he never gets the call up. What age is he now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 08:28:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 24, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 24, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Eoghan Murray is worth a go.

Ah man get a grip? Should be no call ups from Intermediate champions untill they've played one year in Senior.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Agreed. Packie mcconnell, Ciaran gourley, cathal mcshane, Ronan McNamee, the pomeroy lads before last year. All capable county players despite not being from senior clubs.

You're not getting my point. Every year there is a push made for more representation from the intermediate champions and more often than not its unwarranted. You named players above who in the most case had represented at underage levels. Bit of a difference. Although the point still be made that taking big packie and Gourley out, what exactly have we won with the others? Pomeroy with 4 county men couldn't get past Galbally.

Back to back Ulsters for the first time in two decades, a division 2 league title and a slap of McKenna cups.
Lolololololololololol. See Kennedy mentioned, he's only young yet. Have to be looking at Shay McGuigan and Kilpatrick from what I seen this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on October 24, 2018, 08:47:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 07:41:55 PM
Brian Kennedy gets mentioned every autumn as an option but for whatever reason he never gets the call up. What age is he now?

He was only on the u20s this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on October 24, 2018, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 06:49:42 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 24, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 24, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Eoghan Murray is worth a go.

Ah man get a grip? Should be no call ups from Intermediate champions untill they've played one year in Senior.

Three county men. Brendy burns been out all year with a cruciate injury.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Agreed. Packie mcconnell, Ciaran gourley, cathal mcshane, Ronan McNamee, the pomeroy lads before last year. All capable county players despite not being from senior clubs.

You're not getting my point. Every year there is a push made for more representation from the intermediate champions and more often than not its unwarranted. You named players above who in the most case had represented at underage levels. Bit of a difference. Although the point still be made that taking big packie and Gourley out, what exactly have we won with the others? Pomeroy with 4 county men couldn't get past Galbally.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 30, 2018, 08:15:36 AM
Tyrone are holding trials for potential new recruits this year. Been a long time since MH done this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 30, 2018, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on October 30, 2018, 08:15:36 AM
Tyrone are holding trials for potential new recruits this year. Been a long time since MH done this.

Maybe a stupid question - but are they open to the public?

Would be interesting to see some of those trial games.

Any names of who is making their way up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 30, 2018, 12:56:33 PM
Is it invitation only or can clubs nominate players to send?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 01, 2018, 05:19:57 AM
Cavanagh and Hampsey gain an All Star. Cavanagh at full back and Hampsey at No 4.

Beggan gets one over Cluxton , also O Connell and McManus. 3 for Monaghan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 01, 2018, 12:25:08 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 01, 2018, 05:19:57 AM
Cavanagh and Hampsey gain an All Star. Cavanagh at full back and Hampsey at No 4.

Beggan gets one over Cluxton , also O Connell and McManus. 3 for Monaghan
The way they lined the team ended up ruling Ryan Wylie or Eoghan Ban Gallagher out. One of them should've got an all star with Colm Cavanagh our the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 08, 2018, 09:33:05 PM
any my word on whos been called for trials? heard Darragh Kavanagh[augher],brian kennedy[derrylaughan] murry and harkin[tattyreagh]. any others?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 14, 2018, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 08, 2018, 09:33:05 PM
any my word on whos been called for trials? heard Darragh Kavanagh[augher],brian kennedy[derrylaughan] murry and harkin[tattyreagh]. any others?
Ryan Gray from Trillick as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on November 15, 2018, 09:30:37 AM
Ulster Herald reporting a host of names including Murrary & Harkin from Tattyreagh, Benny Gallen, Brian Kennedy and Aidan McSorley have been invited into the McKenna cup panel. It also said it is to help make up numbers for a team when Tyrone team go on holiday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2018, 09:43:13 AM
Coney back in too!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 20, 2018, 04:32:34 PM
I see MH criticized last weeks article. Says trials are upcoming and thought it very poor for naming names especially ahead of Tattyreaghs big games in Ulster.

Could see Niall Gartland going on the shun list.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on November 23, 2018, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 14, 2018, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 08, 2018, 09:33:05 PM
any my word on whos been called for trials? heard Darragh Kavanagh[augher],brian kennedy[derrylaughan] murry and harkin[tattyreagh]. any others?
Ryan Gray from Trillick as well.

Matthew Murnaghan (KC) and Conan Grugan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 23, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Don't see the point making Conan grugan do trials?  Just get him on the panel. Top baller.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 23, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Don't see the point making Conan grugan do trials?  Just get him on the panel. Top baller.
Or Murnaghan. Hes not good enough. Wasn't even stand out for the u20s, had a poor final and wasn't great in the semi, had a good stint in extra time and that was it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 23, 2018, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 23, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Don't see the point making Conan grugan do trials?  Just get him on the panel. Top baller.
Or Murnaghan. Hes not good enough. Wasn't even stand out for the u20s, had a poor final and wasn't great in the semi, had a good stint in extra time and that was it
Is the point of trials not to see if they are potentially good enough?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 23, 2018, 03:14:47 PM
I hope the trials aren't purely window dressing.

I do wonder what Harte's thinking is, is looking for actual squad players or is he looking for players to perhaps come in over the course of the year to help bulk his in house squad games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 23, 2018, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 23, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Don't see the point making Conan grugan do trials?  Just get him on the panel. Top baller.
Or Murnaghan. Hes not good enough. Wasn't even stand out for the u20s, had a poor final and wasn't great in the semi, had a good stint in extra time and that was it
Is the point of trials not to see if they are potentially good enough?
My point is he doesn't need them as he's not good enough. It was trial enough watching him the few times I seen him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 23, 2018, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 23, 2018, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 23, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Don't see the point making Conan grugan do trials?  Just get him on the panel. Top baller.
Or Murnaghan. Hes not good enough. Wasn't even stand out for the u20s, had a poor final and wasn't great in the semi, had a good stint in extra time and that was it
Is the point of trials not to see if they are potentially good enough?
My point is he doesn't need them as he's not good enough. It was trial enough watching him the few times I seen him

Honestly, what are you talking about? He was one of KC's standout players in the Championship. He's still 18 and at School.

He was the MOTM in the game against Omagh and kicked key points in extra time against Ardboe to put them through.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on November 23, 2018, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 23, 2018, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on November 23, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 23, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
Don't see the point making Conan grugan do trials?  Just get him on the panel. Top baller.
Or Murnaghan. Hes not good enough. Wasn't even stand out for the u20s, had a poor final and wasn't great in the semi, had a good stint in extra time and that was it
Is the point of trials not to see if they are potentially good enough?
My point is he doesn't need them as he's not good enough. It was trial enough watching him the few times I seen him

Honestly, what are you talking about? He was one of KC's standout players in the Championship. He's still 18 and at School.

He was the MOTM in the game against Omagh and kicked key points in extra time against Ardboe to put them through.
Tell him to stick to the alevels then. He was skitter against ardboe bar them two points he kicked and absolutely nowhere to be seen against the island and equally as bad for the 20s as he was in them games. Looks like being a killyclogher fan has the wool pulled over your eyes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: giveherlong on November 23, 2018, 07:24:48 PM
Showing up much in the MacRory cup?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 23, 2018, 09:54:16 PM
Quote from: giveherlong on November 23, 2018, 07:24:48 PM
Showing up much in the MacRory cup?

That would be hard for him to do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: giveherlong on November 23, 2018, 10:34:27 PM
Aw right someone said he was still @ school so just presuming. Know nothing about him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 24, 2018, 08:29:29 AM
First Mc Kenna cup game is on 30th Dec. Tyrone can't start group training until 29th Dec. Trials could be used as training sessions?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 24, 2018, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: giveherlong on November 23, 2018, 10:34:27 PM
Aw right someone said he was still @ school so just presuming. Know nothing about him

He's at Drumragh Integrated so that's why :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 24, 2018, 11:12:49 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 23, 2018, 03:14:47 PM
I hope the trials aren't purely window dressing.

I do wonder what Harte's thinking is, is looking for actual squad players or is he looking for players to perhaps come in over the course of the year to help bulk his in house squad games.
I don't think Harte worries enough about public opinion to bother about window dressing.
I would imagine he wants to look at players who have showed potential or flashes of it to see if they have the attitude and dedication to commit to an inter county regime.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 25, 2018, 01:27:10 PM
County trials took place yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 26, 2018, 09:10:00 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 24, 2018, 08:29:29 AM
First Mc Kenna cup game is on 30th Dec. Tyrone can't start group training until 29th Dec. Trials could be used as training sessions?

Are Tyrone not for Thailand end of December???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 26, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.

Conan Grugan too. Lots of new faces also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 26, 2018, 09:33:20 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 26, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 26, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.

Conan Grugan too. Lots of new faces also.

Delighted to hear Grugan was there, a man who I think will start?
Whats the story with Johnny Monroe? Is he for Oz??
Was Canavan at the trial??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 26, 2018, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 26, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 26, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.

Conan Grugan too. Lots of new faces also.

Delighted to hear Grugan was there, a man who I think will start?
Whats the story with Johnny Monroe? Is he for Oz??
Was Canavan at the trial??
Munroe left for Oz last week and is away for a year as far as I know.  I don't think he will be returning for aslong as Harte is at the helm if im honest... be interesting to see if the next county manager (whenever that may be) can persuade him to give it another rattle!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 26, 2018, 01:18:13 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 26, 2018, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 26, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 26, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.

Conan Grugan too. Lots of new faces also.

Delighted to hear Grugan was there, a man who I think will start?
Whats the story with Johnny Monroe? Is he for Oz??
Was Canavan at the trial??
Munroe left for Oz last week and is away for a year as far as I know.  I don't think he will be returning for aslong as Harte is at the helm if im honest... be interesting to see if the next county manager (whenever that may be) can persuade him to give it another rattle!!

What was Munroe's issue with Harte? He left midway through his second year on the panel and had got loads of gametime up until then, in both League and Championship - rightly so because he is a great footballer and we have missed him since. I got the impression he left for other reasons, because he wanted to focus on Carrickmore or was fed up of the commitment required for county football, and not due to a fallout with Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 26, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 26, 2018, 01:18:13 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 26, 2018, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 26, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 26, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.

Conan Grugan too. Lots of new faces also.

Delighted to hear Grugan was there, a man who I think will start?
Whats the story with Johnny Monroe? Is he for Oz??
Was Canavan at the trial??
Munroe left for Oz last week and is away for a year as far as I know.  I don't think he will be returning for aslong as Harte is at the helm if im honest... be interesting to see if the next county manager (whenever that may be) can persuade him to give it another rattle!!

What was Munroe's issue with Harte? He left midway through his second year on the panel and had got loads of gametime up until then, in both League and Championship - rightly so because he is a great footballer and we have missed him since. I got the impression he left for other reasons, because he wanted to focus on Carrickmore or was fed up of the commitment required for county football, and not due to a fallout with Harte.

Wasn't it him made that great hit (leading to a turnover and massive point from Cavanagh) on McGlynn in the 2016 Ulster Final?? Came on and went about the pitch like a wrecking ball from what I remember.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 26, 2018, 04:18:15 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 26, 2018, 01:18:13 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 26, 2018, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 26, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 26, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.

Conan Grugan too. Lots of new faces also.

Delighted to hear Grugan was there, a man who I think will start?
Whats the story with Johnny Monroe? Is he for Oz??
Was Canavan at the trial??
Munroe left for Oz last week and is away for a year as far as I know.  I don't think he will be returning for aslong as Harte is at the helm if im honest... be interesting to see if the next county manager (whenever that may be) can persuade him to give it another rattle!!

What was Munroe's issue with Harte? He left midway through his second year on the panel and had got loads of gametime up until then, in both League and Championship - rightly so because he is a great footballer and we have missed him since. I got the impression he left for other reasons, because he wanted to focus on Carrickmore or was fed up of the commitment required for county football, and not due to a fallout with Harte.

Wasn't it him made that great hit (leading to a turnover and massive point from Cavanagh) on McGlynn in the 2016 Ulster Final?? Came on and went about the pitch like a wrecking ball from what I remember.

Yes. A really iconic moment. The game was kind of going away from us at that point and it looked like we could be about to come up short yet again at the hands of Donegal, but the momentum was all ours from that point on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 26, 2018, 06:44:51 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 26, 2018, 01:18:13 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 26, 2018, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 26, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 26, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.

Conan Grugan too. Lots of new faces also.

Delighted to hear Grugan was there, a man who I think will start?
Whats the story with Johnny Monroe? Is he for Oz??
Was Canavan at the trial??
Munroe left for Oz last week and is away for a year as far as I know.  I don't think he will be returning for aslong as Harte is at the helm if im honest... be interesting to see if the next county manager (whenever that may be) can persuade him to give it another rattle!!

What was Munroe's issue with Harte? He left midway through his second year on the panel and had got loads of gametime up until then, in both League and Championship - rightly so because he is a great footballer and we have missed him since. I got the impression he left for other reasons, because he wanted to focus on Carrickmore or was fed up of the commitment required for county football, and not due to a fallout with Harte.
He was getting a lot of game time and I reckon his trajectory could have been similar to Hampseys, moving from fringe, to central to key man but as you say maybe it was not for him. It is an amateur sport and we all have lives to live.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 26, 2018, 07:01:14 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 26, 2018, 06:44:51 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 26, 2018, 01:18:13 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 26, 2018, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 26, 2018, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 26, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Mc curry, Shay Mc guigan and Kyle Coney all took part in recent trials according to Irish news.

Conan Grugan too. Lots of new faces also.

Delighted to hear Grugan was there, a man who I think will start?
Whats the story with Johnny Monroe? Is he for Oz??
Was Canavan at the trial??
Munroe left for Oz last week and is away for a year as far as I know.  I don't think he will be returning for aslong as Harte is at the helm if im honest... be interesting to see if the next county manager (whenever that may be) can persuade him to give it another rattle!!

What was Munroe's issue with Harte? He left midway through his second year on the panel and had got loads of gametime up until then, in both League and Championship - rightly so because he is a great footballer and we have missed him since. I got the impression he left for other reasons, because he wanted to focus on Carrickmore or was fed up of the commitment required for county football, and not due to a fallout with Harte.
He was getting a lot of game time and I reckon his trajectory could have been similar to Hampseys, moving from fringe, to central to key man but as you say maybe it was not for him. It is an amateur sport and we all have lives to live.
Was there not an issue with a ski holiday or something?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 11:12:10 PM
munroe missed the mc kenna cup final in 2017 cause he had a ski holiday booked. after that harte left him on the bench for league games and started aiden mc crory in games instead. things eventually came to a head and munroe blew harte out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 27, 2018, 09:28:13 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 11:12:10 PM
munroe missed the mc kenna cup final in 2017 cause he had a ski holiday booked. after that harte left him on the bench for league games and started aiden mc crory in games instead. things eventually came to a head and munroe blew harte out.

Munore started the first game of the 2017 league.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0205/850301-tyrone-roscommon/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 27, 2018, 01:07:41 PM
Any word on any new faces at trials outside of Coney, McGuigan and McCurry?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2018, 02:38:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 27, 2018, 09:28:13 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 11:12:10 PM
munroe missed the mc kenna cup final in 2017 cause he had a ski holiday booked. after that harte left him on the bench for league games and started aiden mc crory in games instead. things eventually came to a head and munroe blew harte out.

Munore started the first game of the 2017 league.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0205/850301-tyrone-roscommon/
yeah Monroe took off, Mc crory brought on. That was the beginning of the end.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 27, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 27, 2018, 01:07:41 PM
Any word on any new faces at trials outside of Coney, McGuigan and McCurry?

Heard 2 of the best performances at the trial was Grugan and Murray!
A lot of talk about men coming in, this isnt going to happen until the panel is trimmed also we must remember, who can we see leavin the panel, Harte has stated that all of last years panel are remaining on the squad.

Will the likes of McCarron/McCrory stay on?
McHugh will be out for the year so that'll open up a spot,
How long will Skeet be out for?
Will R Sludden stay on it and get his chance?
Benny Gallen is in the panel, for me he's the best keeper in Tyrone, will Morgan stay as I see he back with Dungannon Swifts again?
Does Morgan going by performances probably deserves a chance at outfield?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on November 27, 2018, 04:44:54 PM
Is Gallen any better than existing keepers or is it simply that his outfield runs makes him stand out as being a bit different? Realistically that's not goin to happen at county level where stakes are too high. Yes he hits a free but so does Morgan. So based on goal keeping in the traditional sense is he any better than Morgan or O'Neill? What happened your man Fox from Killyclogher who was about the squad, has he disappeared?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 27, 2018, 04:51:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2018, 02:38:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 27, 2018, 09:28:13 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2018, 11:12:10 PM
munroe missed the mc kenna cup final in 2017 cause he had a ski holiday booked. after that harte left him on the bench for league games and started aiden mc crory in games instead. things eventually came to a head and munroe blew harte out.

Munore started the first game of the 2017 league.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0205/850301-tyrone-roscommon/
yeah Monroe took off, Mc crory brought on. That was the beginning of the end.

Your argument as usual ruined by facts! I remember having high hopes for Munroe going into that year's national league and he struggled badly in that first game before being rightfully took of. But he did get more time during the league. So the ski trip story doesn't add up.

I do think he had plenty to offer and a pity he can no longer commit. Good  to see boys like grugan and coney looking back involved and harte giving them a chance. There are certainly 4 or 5 players at the trials that could improve the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 27, 2018, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 27, 2018, 01:07:41 PM
Any word on any new faces at trials outside of Coney, McGuigan and McCurry?

Which mccurry is it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 28, 2018, 06:52:39 AM
good to see some proper footballers and forwards too in coney mcguigan grugan and mccurry and hopefully canavan. maybe mickey is finally going to set a team up to have a go rather than die on their knees and leave us all wondering. time for this management team to step up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 28, 2018, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 27, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 27, 2018, 01:07:41 PM
Any word on any new faces at trials outside of Coney, McGuigan and McCurry?

Heard 2 of the best performances at the trial was Grugan and Murray!
A lot of talk about men coming in, this isnt going to happen until the panel is trimmed also we must remember, who can we see leavin the panel, Harte has stated that all of last years panel are remaining on the squad.

Will the likes of McCarron/McCrory stay on?
McHugh will be out for the year so that'll open up a spot,
How long will Skeet be out for?
Will R Sludden stay on it and get his chance?
Benny Gallen is in the panel, for me he's the best keeper in Tyrone, will Morgan stay as I see he back with Dungannon Swifts again?
Does Morgan going by performances probably deserves a chance at outfield?

In the first drawn playoff game between Aghyaran and Dungannon recently, Dungannon equalised with the last play of the game via a high ball into the square that Paddy Quinn fisted to the net under very little pressure. I thought Gallen should've dealt with it and came out to take ball, man and all. If the same thing had happened in an important Tyrone game Morgan would've been crucified. Gallen has a long way to go before it can be said he's the best keeper in Tyrone although I would agree that he deserves a shot on the panel - where that leaves Mickey O'Neill, who knows?

In relation to Morgan, giving him a go outfield is an interesting one. If he was just another player and was being judged solely on his performances in the club championship this year there would definitely be people clamouring for him to be on the county panel. Personally though I can't see it happening, I think he has generally been a solid keeper for us and Harte will still consider him first choice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 28, 2018, 09:52:10 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on November 27, 2018, 04:44:54 PM
Is Gallen any better than existing keepers or is it simply that his outfield runs makes him stand out as being a bit different? Realistically that's not goin to happen at county level where stakes are too high. Yes he hits a free but so does Morgan. So based on goal keeping in the traditional sense is he any better than Morgan or O'Neill? What happened your man Fox from Killyclogher who was about the squad, has he disappeared?

Morgan can hit a free yes but more often than most it doesnt go over, where as gallen's normally do, check out teamtalks action from the wkend even with Gallen hittin 2 monsters over but yes he'll have to prove it on a big day with the pressure on. Also outfield runs dont happen in County football you say? Have you not seen Rory Beagan? Whos to say Gallen cant be that good aswel, he's a flying machine on the ball! But yes apart from all this his kickouts are pin point and he can hit them 55/60 Metres with accuracy and also he's a good shot stopper, although I would prob say Morgan at the minute is a better shot stopper but you ahve to take everything into consideration and not just this! For competition alone its good to have him in to compete with Morgan, Fox still playing away, was in America in the summer but was back playin for KC after and done goals in the County final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 28, 2018, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 28, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
From what I've seen, Lorcan Quinn will take over the number 1 jersey from Morgan when the time comes.

No he will take over from Gallen..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 28, 2018, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 28, 2018, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 28, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
From what I've seen, Lorcan Quinn will take over the number 1 jersey from Morgan when the time comes.

No he will take over from Gallen..

There's only 2 years age difference between them so unlikely. Lorcan Quinn is a much better keeper than Gallen anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 28, 2018, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 28, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
From what I've seen, Lorcan Quinn will take over the number 1 jersey from Morgan when the time comes.
I would agree that Quinn is in the best position to take over from Morgan in due course, enormous potential with him.
Dont see Gallen as any improvement on O'Neill nevermind Morgan and his out field contributions won't be allowed for Tyrone either. In the Tyrone championship this year the most impressive keeper was probably Peter Donnelly, which says alot about the depth of Goalkeeper outside of Morgan and O'Neill in Tyrone at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 28, 2018, 09:00:07 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 28, 2018, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 28, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
From what I've seen, Lorcan Quinn will take over the number 1 jersey from Morgan when the time comes.
I would agree that Quinn is in the best position to take over from Morgan in due course, enormous potential with him.
Dont see Gallen as any improvement on O'Neill nevermind Morgan and his out field contributions won't be allowed for Tyrone either. In the Tyrone championship this year the most impressive keeper was probably Peter Donnelly, which says alot about the depth of Goalkeeper outside of Morgan and O'Neill in Tyrone at the minute.

You have to be on the wind up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 28, 2018, 09:25:08 PM
Morgan was one of the best performers outfield in the Tyrone championship this year. Tremendous mobility and drive. Would love to see how he would get on in a game or 2 outfield.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on November 28, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
Galen excellent Kickouts off both feet, great range of long and short.
Brilliant shot stopper, especially in one on ones - not bad in air.
Can come out and link up play - all top keepers will be doing this in 5-7 years time ( like Beggan) - He will make the odd high profile mistake ( but also kick a few great scores)
Accurate free taker from distance.
He is a top talent - however he is 3-4 years away from beingTyrone No1
That's a position that takes a lot of experience. He was st school this time last year. So it's early for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 28, 2018, 09:31:05 PM
Don't know him good to see him getting his chance. Lorcan Quinn is another v talented goalkeeper with potentially a very bright future with Tyrone as well. Future is bright for keepers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on November 28, 2018, 10:19:21 PM
Stick a fork in me because I am done. Peter Donnelly in goals and Niall Morgan outfield? Like in a proper Tyrone game? Championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 29, 2018, 07:19:11 AM
Another round of trials last night, terrible evening for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 29, 2018, 07:57:02 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 29, 2018, 07:19:11 AM
Another round of trials last night, terrible evening for it.
another group of fellas or the same as last time?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 29, 2018, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 28, 2018, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 28, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
From what I've seen, Lorcan Quinn will take over the number 1 jersey from Morgan when the time comes.
I would agree that Quinn is in the best position to take over from Morgan in due course, enormous potential with him.
Dont see Gallen as any improvement on O'Neill nevermind Morgan and his out field contributions won't be allowed for Tyrone either. In the Tyrone championship this year the most impressive keeper was probably Peter Donnelly, which says alot about the depth of Goalkeeper outside of Morgan and O'Neill in Tyrone at the minute.


Complete rubbish. Have seen gallen a good few times now and every game he has an incredible influence on the game. He wins some amount of frees and you can see the other team panicing when he goes.

Seen him land some monster frees as well under pressure. The position has changed look at the laois keeper getting plaudits last year. Morgan still number one for me but gallen pushing very hard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 30, 2018, 07:55:44 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 29, 2018, 07:57:02 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 29, 2018, 07:19:11 AM
Another round of trials last night, terrible evening for it.
another group of fellas or the same as last time?

Same fellas.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 09:25:07 AM
Heard young shields from clogher put Lee Brennan in his pocket at one of the trials.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on November 30, 2018, 01:26:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 09:25:07 AM
Heard young shields from clogher put Lee Brennan in his pocket at one of the trials.
He's a top player and very dedicated. Captain for the under 20's last year and could play anywhere. Seen a few photos of him playing for clogher with 14 and 11 on his back. Heard Murray from the tats played well too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 30, 2018, 01:55:44 PM
Where would yis play Morgan outfield?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
must be a serious lack of talent in tyrone if we think we need to convert our keeper into an outfield player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2018, 09:28:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
must be a serious lack of talent in tyrone if we think we need to convert our keeper into an outfield player.

What are you talking about? He's an outfield player that also does nets. He was the most effective sweeper in the club championship and if he was a random club  player would get his chance based on that.

Any word on who all called up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on November 30, 2018, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2018, 09:28:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
must be a serious lack of talent in tyrone if we think we need to convert our keeper into an outfield player.

What are you talking about? He's an outfield player that also does nets. He was the most effective sweeper in the club championship and if he was a random club  player would get his chance based on that.

Any word on who all called up?

Have to agree with STG. He's a goalie and wouldn't get a chance if he was a normal outside player. I heard a list of names mentioned and it was either men that were there before, or defenders. Why not bring in 3 or 4 19 or 20 year old inside forwards who are at least 6 foot tall and mould them into what we need?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2018, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 30, 2018, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2018, 09:28:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
must be a serious lack of talent in tyrone if we think we need to convert our keeper into an outfield player.

What are you talking about? He's an outfield player that also does nets. He was the most effective sweeper in the club championship and if he was a random club  player would get his chance based on that.

Any word on who all called up?

Have to agree with STG. He's a goalie and wouldn't get a chance if he was a normal outside player. I heard a list of names mentioned and it was either men that were there before, or defenders. Why not bring in 3 or 4 19 or 20 year old inside forwards who are at least 6 foot tall and mould them into what we need?

He was very good in the club championship. If he wasn't the Tyrone goalie he'd get a trial based on those performances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 11:41:45 PM
so where exactly do you propose morgan plays outfield and who does he replace? ive no problem with the goalie coming out the field to create overlaps or even an extra man in attack as I think this could be a major tactic over the next 5 yrs with beggan leading the way. although the sight of morgan heading over the half way line with the ball would prob make most of his teammates and supporters fill the togs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2018, 08:16:48 AM
I'm not saying he should play out the field. But I am saying based on his performances in the club championship he'd be more than deserving of a trial outfield if he got one. If he did get a go it would probably be as a sweeper. But I'd be surprised if he wasn't the keeper next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on December 01, 2018, 10:02:16 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2018, 09:28:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
must be a serious lack of talent in tyrone if we think we need to convert our keeper into an outfield player.

What are you talking about? He's an outfield player that also does nets. He was the most effective sweeper in the club championship and if he was a random club  player would get his chance based on that.

Any word on who all called up?

Ryan Gray
Conan Grugan
Kyle Coney
Shay McGuigan
Darren McCurry
Matty Murnagahan
Conor Shields
Johnny Harkin
James Darcy
Eoghan Murray
Benny Gallen
Bryan Kennedy

They're the names I heard yesterday from a couple of lads who were already on the panel and were at the trials too. Said they'd never seen as many called up in one go to have a look at. There's probably more than I have listed as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on December 01, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Murnaghan, Gallen and Kennedy called up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 01, 2018, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on December 01, 2018, 10:06:31 AM
Murnaghan, Gallen and Kennedy called up
are these the only three being kept on? I
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on December 01, 2018, 10:12:11 AM
A good source told me that anyway. Said Grugan and Murray harshly overlooked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
So all of the 10/12 listed above not called in? Talk coney has been called up. Would imagine grugan is worth his place on the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on December 01, 2018, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
So all of the 10/12 listed above not called in? Talk coney has been called up. Would imagine grugan is worth his place on the panel.

The lads I listed were at the trials. Not sure who from that list or otherwise has been called into the county panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on December 02, 2018, 11:35:36 PM
Heard tyrone U20s trials started already... Use to see the list of trialists online but heard its very secretive this year anyone know what story is?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on December 03, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: WT4E on December 02, 2018, 11:35:36 PM
Heard tyrone U20s trials started already... Use to see the list of trialists online but heard its very secretive this year anyone know what story is?

Its because Darragh Canavan won't be listed on the U20 trial squad. He is on the senior panel but trying to keep it hush.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 03, 2018, 11:37:37 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on December 03, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: WT4E on December 02, 2018, 11:35:36 PM
Heard tyrone U20s trials started already... Use to see the list of trialists online but heard its very secretive this year anyone know what story is?

Its because Darragh Canavan won't be listed on the U20 trial squad. He is on the senior panel but trying to keep it hush.

Shhh you'll expose the secret weapon. In all seriousness I wondered this myself and that thought had crossed my mind.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on December 03, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
A lot of hope/expectations being placed on the shoulders of a lad who has not played u20s, only 20 minutes championship and a few end of season league matches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on December 03, 2018, 01:01:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 03, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
A lot of hope/expectations being placed on the shoulders of a lad who has not played u20s, only 20 minutes championship and a few end of season league matches.

It is the right time of year to be celebrating an infant son of God.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 03, 2018, 01:03:29 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on December 03, 2018, 01:01:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 03, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
A lot of hope/expectations being placed on the shoulders of a lad who has not played u20s, only 20 minutes championship and a few end of season league matches.

It is the right time of year to be celebrating an infant son of God.

All we need now are three wise men.

Could be waiting a while on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 03, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
We have 3 wise  men in charge. Stevie o Neill, Mickey harte and eh, Gavin Devlin. :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on December 03, 2018, 07:11:58 PM
Hearing that Coney, MvGuigan and McCurry and the Tatts lad are the only 4 called up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 03, 2018, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 03, 2018, 07:11:58 PM
Hearing that Coney, MvGuigan and McCurry and the Tatts lad are the only 4 called up.
You have a bad informant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on December 04, 2018, 01:38:00 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 03, 2018, 07:11:58 PM
Hearing that Coney, MvGuigan and McCurry and the Tatts lad are the only 4 called up.
Talk of Liam Rafferty of Galbally too, Kennedy and also Ryan Gray. Didn't impress in the under 20s last year but seemingly playing well for his club all year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Reading through all these 'I hear' and 'I believe'.

Looks like no one knows!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on December 04, 2018, 08:36:36 AM
Conan Grugan back in also. McGuigan not even though he was probably most impressive club footballer this year. Murnaghan make it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 04, 2018, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Reading through all these 'I hear' and 'I believe'.

Looks like no one knows!

I heard Stephen Lawn is back in the squad any truth in it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on December 04, 2018, 09:03:39 AM
Peter Herron get a trial? How did he not get a Teamtalkmag allstar?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on December 04, 2018, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 30, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
must be a serious lack of talent in tyrone if we think we need to convert our keeper into an outfield player.

must be a serious lack of talent in tyrone if we think we need to convert an outfield player into a keeper?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 04, 2018, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Reading through all these 'I hear' and 'I believe'.

Looks like no one knows!

The panel hasn't been finalised. I don't think the McKenna Cup squad needs to be finalised and submitted until the week prior to start....so considering Christmas your talking somewhere like 17th to 21st before official word.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on December 04, 2018, 12:41:58 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Reading through all these 'I hear' and 'I believe'.

Looks like no one knows!

Murnaghan - Kilyclogher
Rafferty - Galbally
Grugan - Omagh
Gallen - Agh'yarn
Coney - Ardbo
Mc Curry - Edendork
Gray - Trillick?
Kennedy - DerryL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 04, 2018, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on December 04, 2018, 12:41:58 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Reading through all these 'I hear' and 'I believe'.

Looks like no one knows!

Murnaghan - Kilyclogher
Rafferty - Galbally
Grugan - Omagh
Gallen - Agh'yarn
Coney - Ardbo
Mc Curry - Edendork
Gray - Trillick?
Kennedy - DerryL

Canavan also
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 04, 2018, 04:04:25 PM
Young Canavan surely can't be in the Tyrone Senior Squad - it must be a development or training panel.

As stated earlier, he's only played a few league games and a bit of Championship game.

He needs to be protected, it's too soon to be putting him into the limelight - he's not done what say, David Clifford has done just yet. He needs another good year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 04, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on December 04, 2018, 09:03:39 AM
Peter Herron get a trial? How did he not get a Teamtalkmag allstar?

Teamtalk awards are usually absolute nonsense anyway. Darren McCurry top scorer in Tyrone Club Football (after going to the US for the summer!) nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on December 04, 2018, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 04, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on December 04, 2018, 09:03:39 AM
Peter Herron get a trial? How did he not get a Teamtalkmag allstar?

Teamtalk awards are usually absolute nonsense anyway. Darren McCurry top scorer in Tyrone Club Football (after going to the US for the summer!) nothing.

Try that one again GetOverTheBar
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 04, 2018, 05:01:58 PM
I don't know how you can 'win' an award for being top scorer in division one, then not find yourself in the best 15. Hardly makes sense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 04, 2018, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on December 04, 2018, 12:41:58 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Reading through all these 'I hear' and 'I believe'.

Looks like no one knows!

Murnaghan - Kilyclogher
Rafferty - Galbally
Grugan - Omagh
Gallen - Agh'yarn
Coney - Ardbo
Mc Curry - Edendork
Gray - Trillick?
Kennedy - DerryL

Rumours circling that his call up has put an end to M O'Neills spot
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on December 04, 2018, 06:25:17 PM
Mickey O'Neill left the panel 2 weeks ago... think he had told anybody close to him before end of last season.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on December 04, 2018, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 04, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on December 04, 2018, 09:03:39 AM
Peter Herron get a trial? How did he not get a Teamtalkmag allstar?

Teamtalk awards are usually absolute nonsense anyway. Darren McCurry top scorer in Tyrone Club Football (after going to the US for the summer!) nothing.

Agree -a popularity contest..shields from clogher got one at corner back and I dont believe he played a minute for the club at corner back all year - same with morgan getting one at full forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 04, 2018, 10:01:45 PM
id say the only awards teamtalkmag are interested in is the ball of cash they make out of the night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 04, 2018, 10:28:35 PM
Tyrone's first McKenna Cup game takes place on Sunday 16th December.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 04, 2018, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 04, 2018, 10:28:35 PM
Tyrone's first McKenna Cup game takes place on Sunday 16th December.
actually was told that today by an ulster council official but didn't believe him. tyrone not allowed to train together until 29th December but they allowed to play together?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on December 04, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
Heading to Thailand over  Xmas holidays so got game date changed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 05, 2018, 07:37:12 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 04, 2018, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 04, 2018, 10:28:35 PM
Tyrone's first McKenna Cup game takes place on Sunday 16th December.
actually was told that today by an ulster council official but didn't believe him. tyrone not allowed to train together until 29th December but they allowed to play together?

At least they can have their Christmas night out after the first game of the season....
Ive honestly never heard the likes of it.
Anyone think the McKenna cup won't happen?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on December 05, 2018, 08:12:24 AM
M Bradley gone for the year apparently
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 05, 2018, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 05, 2018, 08:12:24 AM
M Bradley gone for the year apparently

Doing PGCE in Liverpool. Big loss. Interested to see if a year away has done Mccurry any good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 05, 2018, 08:12:24 AM
M Bradley gone for the year apparently

If confirmed that's a massive blow for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on December 05, 2018, 09:42:40 AM
BBC are running it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on December 05, 2018, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 04, 2018, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Reading through all these 'I hear' and 'I believe'.

Looks like no one knows!

I heard Stephen Lawn is back in the squad any truth in it?
Yous boys mustn't read too well. I listed 3 call ups and if they're wrong I'd be very surprised
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on December 05, 2018, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 05, 2018, 08:12:24 AM
M Bradley gone for the year apparently

If confirmed that's a massive blow for Tyrone.
Why would he be missing for the year, McGeary was in a similar position doing a PGCE in England last year and played in the majority of Tyrone games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on December 05, 2018, 09:51:44 AM
Gaa making a farce of there own rules if Tyrone are allowed to play on the 16th. They are beyound a joke at this stage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 05, 2018, 09:58:14 AM
Quote from: OffTheDeck on December 05, 2018, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 04, 2018, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Reading through all these 'I hear' and 'I believe'. I'm

Looks like no one knows!
according to Irish news Mc curry, grugan, Coney all in Mc Kenna cup panel.

I heard Stephen Lawn is back in the squad any truth in it?
Yous boys mustn't read too well. I listed 3 call ups and if they're wrong I'd be very surprised
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 10:19:33 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on December 05, 2018, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 05, 2018, 08:12:24 AM
M Bradley gone for the year apparently

If confirmed that's a massive blow for Tyrone.
Why would he be missing for the year, McGeary was in a similar position doing a PGCE in England last year and played in the majority of Tyrone games.

Suppose Bradley has played a lot more football than McGeary over the past few years. Might do him no harm to take a year out of the intercounty scene to refresh body and mind. He's picked up a few high profile head hits over the past few months too. Everyman has their own choice to make, wonderful player though - he'll be sorely missed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on December 05, 2018, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 10:19:33 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on December 05, 2018, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 05, 2018, 08:12:24 AM
M Bradley gone for the year apparently

If confirmed that's a massive blow for Tyrone.
Why would he be missing for the year, McGeary was in a similar position doing a PGCE in England last year and played in the majority of Tyrone games.

Suppose Bradley has played a lot more football than McGeary over the past few years. Might do him no harm to take a year out of the intercounty scene to refresh body and mind. He's picked up a few high profile head hits over the past few months too. Everyman has their own choice to make, wonderful player though - he'll be sorely missed.

WHAT? wonderful player? not really, good club player bog standard at county level. refresh his body and mind?? what a load of crap
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 05, 2018, 10:43:38 AM
Bradley had the potential to a top class inter county forward. Unfortunately he just another ruined by Mickey harte s mind numbing tactics with the Dublin semi last year a real low point for Bradley.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 05, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
Mark Bradley bog standard cop yourself on.Small in stature big in heart.Getting his teaching qualifications is his priority and good luck to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 11:20:26 AM
Easy to be insulting on a message board - impresses nobody of normal mind.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on December 05, 2018, 12:20:20 PM
Bradley is a class act and a joy to watch. Can't see him being gone for the year, he will be back for the summer months
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on December 05, 2018, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 11:20:26 AM
Easy to be insulting on a message board - impresses nobody of normal mind.

Hardly an insult, he is an average county player. a year or 2 ago he wasnt making the Tyrone starting 15, last season he had a few good games. I have seen him play and dominate club games but hasn't consistently done it at county level year in year out. I think that is fair. I dont know the man personally but im sure he is a decent fella and I wish him all the best on his year out. 
 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on December 05, 2018, 07:12:45 PM
BBC saying that McCurry, Grugan and Coney recalled.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on December 05, 2018, 08:54:45 PM
Quote from: blackball on December 05, 2018, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 11:20:26 AM
Easy to be insulting on a message board - impresses nobody of normal mind.

Hardly an insult, he is an average county player. a year or 2 ago he wasnt making the Tyrone starting 15, last season he had a few good games. I have seen him play and dominate club games but hasn't consistently done it at county level year in year out. I think that is fair. I dont know the man personally but im sure he is a decent fella and I wish him all the best on his year out. 


couldnt agree more! very effective club player as naturally the standard is lower but not a class act as mentioned before at county level. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 05, 2018, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 05, 2018, 08:54:45 PM
Quote from: blackball on December 05, 2018, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2018, 11:20:26 AM
Easy to be insulting on a message board - impresses nobody of normal mind.

Hardly an insult, he is an average county player. a year or 2 ago he wasnt making the Tyrone starting 15, last season he had a few good games. I have seen him play and dominate club games but hasn't consistently done it at county level year in year out. I think that is fair. I dont know the man personally but im sure he is a decent fella and I wish him all the best on his year out. 


couldnt agree more! very effective club player as naturally the standard is lower but not a class act as mentioned before at county level.
Bradley no diferent than ronan o neill or mc curry. very talented but all ruined as intercounty footballers by harte. not fair to blame the players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 06, 2018, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 05, 2018, 10:43:38 AM
Bradley had the potential to a top class inter county forward. Unfortunately he just another ruined by Mickey harte s mind numbing tactics with the Dublin semi last year a real low point for Bradley.

It's December, can't you desist from the Harte-bashing just for a few months of the year??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 06, 2018, 01:53:20 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 06, 2018, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 05, 2018, 10:43:38 AM
Bradley had the potential to a top class inter county forward. Unfortunately he just another ruined by Mickey harte s mind numbing tactics with the Dublin semi last year a real low point for Bradley.

It's December, can't you desist from the Harte-bashing just for a few months of the year??
am I wrong? Someone was critical of Bradley and I merely set them straight on who's fault it was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 06, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
Is Bradley actually gone? Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on December 06, 2018, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 06, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
Is Bradley actually gone? Does anyone know?

Heard he's won't play any part in McKenna cup or league but could still be involved tail end of season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on December 06, 2018, 09:07:33 PM
Harte said last night
"Mark wouldn't be back effectively until July and he is smart enough young man to know that if he wasn't really fully involved with us until July then his chances of being where he'd like to be with us for the next few months if we were still involved at that time.. calculated decision on his part and I am with him on it because he has to look after career but when that's done we'll have a very good footballer back again for the following season"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on December 06, 2018, 09:18:15 PM
He'd probably still be good enough. Lads of lesser ability and coming back from injuries have been drafted in to county sides late on in the season. I'm sure he'll keep himself in good shape.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on December 13, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
Baby Jesus part of the setup - I cant contain my excitement - Finally a player that will excite!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on December 13, 2018, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on December 13, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
Baby Jesus part of the setup - I cant contain my excitement - Finally a player that will excite!!

Is it true? How will he excite when we have no-one up supporting him. Still worry about his stature.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on December 15, 2018, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 13, 2018, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on December 13, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
Baby Jesus part of the setup - I cant contain my excitement - Finally a player that will excite!!

Is it true? How will he excite when we have no-one up supporting him. Still worry about his stature.

Just saw this on gaelic life.  He may become the greatest player that ever lived but how can you justify calling in a lad who only came on as a sub in the 2nd half against us in the senior championship.  Not there on merit and his club and second name obviously has a big part in the call up.  Another example of club loyalty from the leader to go with another errigal player who consistently played in recent years when there were numerous better options in this part of the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 15, 2018, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 15, 2018, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 13, 2018, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on December 13, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
Baby Jesus part of the setup - I cant contain my excitement - Finally a player that will excite!!

Is it true? How will he excite when we have no-one up supporting him. Still worry about his stature.

Just saw this on gaelic life.  He may become the greatest player that ever lived but how can you justify calling in a lad who only came on as a sub in the 2nd half against us in the senior championship.  Not there on merit and his club and second name obviously has a big part in the call up.  Another example of club loyalty from the leader to go with another errigal player who consistently played in recent years when there were numerous better options in this part of the county.

Strangely....I agree with some of this. He looked a real livewire v Coalisland in the Championship, but again - how much of this was a surprise element. I personally don't think he's warranted a call up myself, then again I'm on an internet message board - not in the selection process.

I'd argue here that the lads development will actually suffer going forward now - he'll surely not play any county football, will he be kept from playing for Errigal? Foresee problems ahead if there is some kind of exception made. Harte would be just that single minded to maybe attempt it too.

Maybe this call up is just for the McKenna Cup though and I could be overreacting. We'll need to see.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 15, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
really disappointed to hear young canavan has joined the panel. whats the rush? in 2 years time harte will be gone and that's the time for the new manager to bring this lad in as a 20 yr old ready for action. harte just doesn't know what to do with these talented youngsters. young canavan could end up the latest potential star that never made it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on December 15, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 15, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
really disappointed to hear young canavan has joined the panel. whats the rush? in 2 years time harte will be gone and that's the time for the new manager to bring this lad in as a 20 yr old ready for action. harte just doesn't know what to do with these talented youngsters. young canavan could end up the latest potential star that never made it.

Starting to wonder if I am not a parody of STG but I have got to agree young Canavan was a super youth player. But putting him straight in is not advisable give him a year or two to mature.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 16, 2018, 11:34:12 PM
Your captain this year is an exceptional talent who never really got a good run of games. Fully agree with you on this 1 versus a couple of Errigal players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on December 17, 2018, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: Club boi on December 16, 2018, 11:34:12 PM
Your captain this year is an exceptional talent who never really got a good run of games. Fully agree with you on this 1 versus a couple of Errigal players

Have to agree, it's a disgrace that he was never given a chance with Tyrone. One of the best club players in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on December 17, 2018, 07:57:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

Would loved to have seen Mackers given a real chance!! A neighbour of yours aswel I always wished was given a run out in his prime and never got a run out was Colly Doris, the man was untouchable at one stage!! So many top talents in the County where ignored!
Eoin McCusker another, prob the best club forward for many years also! Going back to the early 2000's you also had Ciaran McAleer of Carmen, TTM all star year after year, did he ever even make a McKenna cup panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 08:14:14 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on December 17, 2018, 07:57:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

Would loved to have seen Mackers given a real chance!! A neighbour of yours aswel I always wished was given a run out in his prime and never got a run out was Colly Doris, the man was untouchable at one stage!! So many top talents in the County where ignored!
Eoin McCusker another, prob the best club forward for many years also! Going back to the early 2000's you also had Ciaran McAleer of Carmen, TTM all star year after year, did he ever even make a McKenna cup panel?

Eoin McCusker was called into the Tyrone panel but pulled out and said he couldn't give the commitment to county football. People from Clonoe would tell you Colly Dorris doesn't support Tyrone and had no interest in playing for them. You will get players not wanting to play in every county. Not much Harte can do about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

You have to judge a player on whether you feel they can make it at county level as opposed to the number of years they have played club championship football. I'm sure there was players who have did well in the Kerry club championship for years that by your logic should have been called up for Kerry ahead of Clifford. Mickey Harte shouldn't have called up Sean Cavanagh coming out of minor football as their was more experienced players that had played in the senior championship ahead of him. Peter Canavan was another one called in young that had little or no club championship experience at that age. Time will tell whether he is there on merit but he is a very gifted young player and I hope he goes on to fulfil his potential.

This east Tyrone thing is a load of nonsense. McNally did get called into the Tyrone panel and got game time including championship football.  He struggled to make the half back line at the time which included players that had won multiple All Irelands. In the games he did play I don't remember him standing out. Two of the players that were ahead of him came from Carrickmore (Errigals biggest rival) and the Moy an east Tyrone club so your anti errigal agenda doesn't stack up. He has been one of the best half backs over the last ten years in club football and if had stuck at it at county level could well have pushed on to make it. I can't remember if he walked away or was dropped and would be surprised if he wasn't asked back since. If he walked away or didn't want to come back then your point is even more redundant.

It's strange given Harte's so called anti east tyrone bias that there was an Edendork man, 2 Coalisland men, 2 Clonoe men and 2 Moy men that played in last years final.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

You have to judge a player on whether you feel they can make it at county level as opposed to the number of years they have played club championship football. I'm sure there was players who have did well in the Kerry club championship for years that by your logic should have been called up for Kerry ahead of Clifford. Mickey Harte shouldn't have called up Sean Cavanagh coming out of minor football as their was more experienced players that had played in the senior championship ahead of him. Peter Canavan was another one called in young that had little or no club championship experience at that age. Time will tell whether he is there on merit but he is a very gifted young player and I hope he goes on to fulfil his potential.

This east Tyrone thing is a load of nonsense. McNally did get called into the Tyrone panel and got game time including championship football.  He struggled to make the half back line at the time which included players that had won multiple All Irelands. In the games he did play I don't remember him standing out. Two of the players that were ahead of him came from Carrickmore (Errigals biggest rival) and the Moy an east Tyrone club so your anti errigal agenda doesn't stack up. He has been one of the best half backs over the last ten years in club football and if had stuck at it at county level could well have pushed on to make it. I can't remember if he walked away or was dropped and would be surprised if he wasn't asked back since. If he walked away or didn't want to come back then your point is even more redundant.

It's strange given Harte's so called anti east tyrone bias that there was an Edendork man, 2 Coalisland men, 2 Clonoe men and 2 Moy men that played in last years final.

I didn't claim he was anti anybody.  I feel some are afforded more opportunity than others to find their feet and confidence at that level.  I am lead to believe mackers was offered to go to the trials this year (which is complete nonsense surely his performances in the championship this year are a better indicator of his ability than a stupid trial match) which he rightly declined!

He is also similar age to aidan mcrory so your comment on not making the team because of the number of players ahead of him in the half back line is null and void as he was, is and always will be twice the footballer, man marker, ball carrier, ball kicker whatever barometer you want to use to compare them!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

You have to judge a player on whether you feel they can make it at county level as opposed to the number of years they have played club championship football. I'm sure there was players who have did well in the Kerry club championship for years that by your logic should have been called up for Kerry ahead of Clifford. Mickey Harte shouldn't have called up Sean Cavanagh coming out of minor football as their was more experienced players that had played in the senior championship ahead of him. Peter Canavan was another one called in young that had little or no club championship experience at that age. Time will tell whether he is there on merit but he is a very gifted young player and I hope he goes on to fulfil his potential.

This east Tyrone thing is a load of nonsense. McNally did get called into the Tyrone panel and got game time including championship football.  He struggled to make the half back line at the time which included players that had won multiple All Irelands. In the games he did play I don't remember him standing out. Two of the players that were ahead of him came from Carrickmore (Errigals biggest rival) and the Moy an east Tyrone club so your anti errigal agenda doesn't stack up. He has been one of the best half backs over the last ten years in club football and if had stuck at it at county level could well have pushed on to make it. I can't remember if he walked away or was dropped and would be surprised if he wasn't asked back since. If he walked away or didn't want to come back then your point is even more redundant.

It's strange given Harte's so called anti east tyrone bias that there was an Edendork man, 2 Coalisland men, 2 Clonoe men and 2 Moy men that played in last years final.

I didn't claim he was anti anybody.  I feel some are afforded more opportunity than others to find their feet and confidence at that level.  I am lead to believe mackers was offered to go to the trials this year (which is complete nonsense surely his performances in the championship this year are a better indicator of his ability than a stupid trial match) which he rightly declined!

He is also similar age to aidan mcrory so your comment on not making the team because of the number of players ahead of him in the half back line is null and void as he was, is and always will be twice the footballer, man marker, ball carrier, ball kicker whatever barometer you want to use to compare them!

Harte certainly liked McRory more than many other people. I wouldn't have picked him a lot of the times he did get picked but he was someone who always stuck to the task given to him. When McNally was trying to break into the team he was considered more an attacking half back and for one reason or another didn't take the opportunities he got. But the half back line was very strong at that time so his games were limited.

I do think he should have got more game time over the years but I have no idea whether he left the panel of his own accord and whether he declined to come back like this year. If he had any interest in playing for Tyrone I suspect he would have gone to the trial as everyone else did including players from last year who were asked to play. I don't think he is above the trials process.

But the point I was disputing was Harte not picking players because they are east Tyrone or what club they come from as opposed to being critical of McNally who has every right not to play if he doesn't want to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

You have to judge a player on whether you feel they can make it at county level as opposed to the number of years they have played club championship football. I'm sure there was players who have did well in the Kerry club championship for years that by your logic should have been called up for Kerry ahead of Clifford. Mickey Harte shouldn't have called up Sean Cavanagh coming out of minor football as their was more experienced players that had played in the senior championship ahead of him. Peter Canavan was another one called in young that had little or no club championship experience at that age. Time will tell whether he is there on merit but he is a very gifted young player and I hope he goes on to fulfil his potential.

This east Tyrone thing is a load of nonsense. McNally did get called into the Tyrone panel and got game time including championship football.  He struggled to make the half back line at the time which included players that had won multiple All Irelands. In the games he did play I don't remember him standing out. Two of the players that were ahead of him came from Carrickmore (Errigals biggest rival) and the Moy an east Tyrone club so your anti errigal agenda doesn't stack up. He has been one of the best half backs over the last ten years in club football and if had stuck at it at county level could well have pushed on to make it. I can't remember if he walked away or was dropped and would be surprised if he wasn't asked back since. If he walked away or didn't want to come back then your point is even more redundant.

It's strange given Harte's so called anti east tyrone bias that there was an Edendork man, 2 Coalisland men, 2 Clonoe men and 2 Moy men that played in last years final.

I didn't claim he was anti anybody.  I feel some are afforded more opportunity than others to find their feet and confidence at that level.  I am lead to believe mackers was offered to go to the trials this year (which is complete nonsense surely his performances in the championship this year are a better indicator of his ability than a stupid trial match) which he rightly declined!

He is also similar age to aidan mcrory so your comment on not making the team because of the number of players ahead of him in the half back line is null and void as he was, is and always will be twice the footballer, man marker, ball carrier, ball kicker whatever barometer you want to use to compare them!

Harte certainly liked McRory more than many other people. I wouldn't have picked him a lot of the times he did get picked but he was someone who always stuck to the task given to him. When McNally was trying to break into the team he was considered more an attacking half back and for one reason or another didn't take the opportunities he got. But the half back line was very strong at that time so his games were limited.

I do think he should have got more game time over the years but I have no idea whether he left the panel of his own accord and whether he declined to come back like this year. If he had any interest in playing for Tyrone I suspect he would have gone to the trial as everyone else did including players from last year who were asked to play. I don't think he is above the trials process.

But the point I was disputing was Harte not picking players because they are east Tyrone or what club they come from as opposed to being critical of McNally who has every right not to play if he doesn't want to.

As far as I know he left after numerous years sitting on the bench (if even on the match panel) without getting a chance and missing out on playing with his club.  I'm not claiming he's above a trial match but what I'm saying is it is ridiculous for a player who's previously impressed enough at trial games years ago to be brought onto the panel.  Said player leaves and continues to be a top club player for years and then leads his club to the senior championship winning player of the year.  Surely you would have seen enough of him without the need for them to attend a stupid trial match. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 05:04:11 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

You have to judge a player on whether you feel they can make it at county level as opposed to the number of years they have played club championship football. I'm sure there was players who have did well in the Kerry club championship for years that by your logic should have been called up for Kerry ahead of Clifford. Mickey Harte shouldn't have called up Sean Cavanagh coming out of minor football as their was more experienced players that had played in the senior championship ahead of him. Peter Canavan was another one called in young that had little or no club championship experience at that age. Time will tell whether he is there on merit but he is a very gifted young player and I hope he goes on to fulfil his potential.

This east Tyrone thing is a load of nonsense. McNally did get called into the Tyrone panel and got game time including championship football.  He struggled to make the half back line at the time which included players that had won multiple All Irelands. In the games he did play I don't remember him standing out. Two of the players that were ahead of him came from Carrickmore (Errigals biggest rival) and the Moy an east Tyrone club so your anti errigal agenda doesn't stack up. He has been one of the best half backs over the last ten years in club football and if had stuck at it at county level could well have pushed on to make it. I can't remember if he walked away or was dropped and would be surprised if he wasn't asked back since. If he walked away or didn't want to come back then your point is even more redundant.

It's strange given Harte's so called anti east tyrone bias that there was an Edendork man, 2 Coalisland men, 2 Clonoe men and 2 Moy men that played in last years final.

I didn't claim he was anti anybody.  I feel some are afforded more opportunity than others to find their feet and confidence at that level.  I am lead to believe mackers was offered to go to the trials this year (which is complete nonsense surely his performances in the championship this year are a better indicator of his ability than a stupid trial match) which he rightly declined!

He is also similar age to aidan mcrory so your comment on not making the team because of the number of players ahead of him in the half back line is null and void as he was, is and always will be twice the footballer, man marker, ball carrier, ball kicker whatever barometer you want to use to compare them!

Harte certainly liked McRory more than many other people. I wouldn't have picked him a lot of the times he did get picked but he was someone who always stuck to the task given to him. When McNally was trying to break into the team he was considered more an attacking half back and for one reason or another didn't take the opportunities he got. But the half back line was very strong at that time so his games were limited.

I do think he should have got more game time over the years but I have no idea whether he left the panel of his own accord and whether he declined to come back like this year. If he had any interest in playing for Tyrone I suspect he would have gone to the trial as everyone else did including players from last year who were asked to play. I don't think he is above the trials process.

But the point I was disputing was Harte not picking players because they are east Tyrone or what club they come from as opposed to being critical of McNally who has every right not to play if he doesn't want to.

As far as I know he left after numerous years sitting on the bench (if even on the match panel) without getting a chance and missing out on playing with his club.  I'm not claiming he's above a trial match but what I'm saying is it is ridiculous for a player who's previously impressed enough at trial games years ago to be brought onto the panel.  Said player leaves and continues to be a top club player for years and then leads his club to the senior championship winning player of the year.  Surely you would have seen enough of him without the need for them to attend a stupid trial match.

How many years was he actually there? I'd have guessed 2 or 3 at the most but could be totally wrong. He definitely got game time when there but never nailed down a place. Using trials is questionable (but totally up to the manager) but not sure having to play one or two games in it like everyone else would put someone off joining the squad if they wanted to. There is boys from last years squad being asked to play in it to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on December 17, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
Jesus lads its Christmas give it a rest until January!

Nobody should be yapping about the inclusion of the couple of young lads. Let them at it they are under enough pressure. I don't see a pile of other forwards standing out in the county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 05:41:52 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 05:04:11 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

You have to judge a player on whether you feel they can make it at county level as opposed to the number of years they have played club championship football. I'm sure there was players who have did well in the Kerry club championship for years that by your logic should have been called up for Kerry ahead of Clifford. Mickey Harte shouldn't have called up Sean Cavanagh coming out of minor football as their was more experienced players that had played in the senior championship ahead of him. Peter Canavan was another one called in young that had little or no club championship experience at that age. Time will tell whether he is there on merit but he is a very gifted young player and I hope he goes on to fulfil his potential.

This east Tyrone thing is a load of nonsense. McNally did get called into the Tyrone panel and got game time including championship football.  He struggled to make the half back line at the time which included players that had won multiple All Irelands. In the games he did play I don't remember him standing out. Two of the players that were ahead of him came from Carrickmore (Errigals biggest rival) and the Moy an east Tyrone club so your anti errigal agenda doesn't stack up. He has been one of the best half backs over the last ten years in club football and if had stuck at it at county level could well have pushed on to make it. I can't remember if he walked away or was dropped and would be surprised if he wasn't asked back since. If he walked away or didn't want to come back then your point is even more redundant.

It's strange given Harte's so called anti east tyrone bias that there was an Edendork man, 2 Coalisland men, 2 Clonoe men and 2 Moy men that played in last years final.

I didn't claim he was anti anybody.  I feel some are afforded more opportunity than others to find their feet and confidence at that level.  I am lead to believe mackers was offered to go to the trials this year (which is complete nonsense surely his performances in the championship this year are a better indicator of his ability than a stupid trial match) which he rightly declined!

He is also similar age to aidan mcrory so your comment on not making the team because of the number of players ahead of him in the half back line is null and void as he was, is and always will be twice the footballer, man marker, ball carrier, ball kicker whatever barometer you want to use to compare them!

Harte certainly liked McRory more than many other people. I wouldn't have picked him a lot of the times he did get picked but he was someone who always stuck to the task given to him. When McNally was trying to break into the team he was considered more an attacking half back and for one reason or another didn't take the opportunities he got. But the half back line was very strong at that time so his games were limited.

I do think he should have got more game time over the years but I have no idea whether he left the panel of his own accord and whether he declined to come back like this year. If he had any interest in playing for Tyrone I suspect he would have gone to the trial as everyone else did including players from last year who were asked to play. I don't think he is above the trials process.

But the point I was disputing was Harte not picking players because they are east Tyrone or what club they come from as opposed to being critical of McNally who has every right not to play if he doesn't want to.

As far as I know he left after numerous years sitting on the bench (if even on the match panel) without getting a chance and missing out on playing with his club.  I'm not claiming he's above a trial match but what I'm saying is it is ridiculous for a player who's previously impressed enough at trial games years ago to be brought onto the panel.  Said player leaves and continues to be a top club player for years and then leads his club to the senior championship winning player of the year.  Surely you would have seen enough of him without the need for them to attend a stupid trial match.

How many years was he actually there? I'd have guessed 2 or 3 at the most but could be totally wrong. He definitely got game time when there but never nailed down a place. Using trials is questionable (but totally up to the manager) but not sure having to play one or two games in it like everyone else would put someone off joining the squad if they wanted to. There is boys from last years squad being asked to play in it to.

off the top of my head im not sure.  again i'm not saying thats what put him off because I don't no but if it was me my previous time would have soured me from returning through a trial process but i was only using him as an example of the obvious favouritism the leader has shown over the years.

Quote from: redhandefender on December 17, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
Jesus lads its Christmas give it a rest until January!

Nobody should be yapping about the inclusion of the couple of young lads. Let them at it they are under enough pressure. I don't see a pile of other forwards standing out in the county


imagine using a discussion board for discussion .... the horror.  I think my original point that started this discussion about canavan being brought in still stands due to the fact he hasnt stood out because he hasn't played much senior football and if we are all honest if his name was joe bloggs and had grown up playing for brocagh there isnt a hope in hell he'd have been called in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 17, 2018, 07:59:56 PM

imagine using a discussion board for discussion .... the horror.  I think my original point that started this discussion about canavan being brought in still stands due to the fact he hasnt stood out because he hasn't played much senior football and if we are all honest if his name was joe bloggs and had grown up playing for brocagh there isnt a hope in hell he'd have been called in.
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I think it's a non starter saying where Darragh Canavan is from has helped him on making the Tyrone panel. The most supportive argument being that Mickey's own nephw didn't make it on the panel straight out of an All Ireland winning minor team. Mickey has previous here when he thinks he sees something in a player, what age was DD Mulgrew when he came in? Everybody who watched Canavan this year would say he was one of the most explosive/exciting players around the county and I'd imagine his performances in trials would had to have been of similar standard to have been selected.

The year isn't even started and the knives are being sharpened already!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 17, 2018, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 17, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 17, 2018, 08:25:57 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on December 16, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 15, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Some of you lads are awfully negative. Let's see how it goes and how he fits in. He looks like an excellent young player and could well make the step up quickly. He looked good in the senior games he did play and will hopefully improve all the time. Plenty of the top young players over the years went straight into county football with little club experience.

I'm sure he'll get exposure to the squad but be managed appropriately. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on. If they don't see him as being ready he can drop down to u20 level come championship as far as I'm aware.

I'm only pointing out how he isn't there on merit.  No question a good maybe even great youth player but that's exactly it just a youth player at this stage with very little senior club championship exposure and he's being called into a top 4 county setup in Ireland.  The amount of players who had already proven themselves from east Tyrone who never got a look in is crazy whereas the leader gave chance after chance to his own club men.  No better example than our own skipper this year compared to an errigal/Tyrone corner back.... difference of night and day when comparing footballing ability .... one played for Tyrone 50+ times the other just a handful of times.  What a waste!

You have to judge a player on whether you feel they can make it at county level as opposed to the number of years they have played club championship football. I'm sure there was players who have did well in the Kerry club championship for years that by your logic should have been called up for Kerry ahead of Clifford. Mickey Harte shouldn't have called up Sean Cavanagh coming out of minor football as their was more experienced players that had played in the senior championship ahead of him. Peter Canavan was another one called in young that had little or no club championship experience at that age. Time will tell whether he is there on merit but he is a very gifted young player and I hope he goes on to fulfil his potential.

This east Tyrone thing is a load of nonsense. McNally did get called into the Tyrone panel and got game time including championship football.  He struggled to make the half back line at the time which included players that had won multiple All Irelands. In the games he did play I don't remember him standing out. Two of the players that were ahead of him came from Carrickmore (Errigals biggest rival) and the Moy an east Tyrone club so your anti errigal agenda doesn't stack up. He has been one of the best half backs over the last ten years in club football and if had stuck at it at county level could well have pushed on to make it. I can't remember if he walked away or was dropped and would be surprised if he wasn't asked back since. If he walked away or didn't want to come back then your point is even more redundant.

It's strange given Harte's so called anti east tyrone bias that there was an Edendork man, 2 Coalisland men, 2 Clonoe men and 2 Moy men that played in last years final.

I didn't claim he was anti anybody.  I feel some are afforded more opportunity than others to find their feet and confidence at that level.  I am lead to believe mackers was offered to go to the trials this year (which is complete nonsense surely his performances in the championship this year are a better indicator of his ability than a stupid trial match) which he rightly declined!

He is also similar age to aidan mcrory so your comment on not making the team because of the number of players ahead of him in the half back line is null and void as he was, is and always will be twice the footballer, man marker, ball carrier, ball kicker whatever barometer you want to use to compare them!

Harte certainly liked McRory more than many other people. I wouldn't have picked him a lot of the times he did get picked but he was someone who always stuck to the task given to him. When McNally was trying to break into the team he was considered more an attacking half back and for one reason or another didn't take the opportunities he got. But the half back line was very strong at that time so his games were limited.

I do think he should have got more game time over the years but I have no idea whether he left the panel of his own accord and whether he declined to come back like this year. If he had any interest in playing for Tyrone I suspect he would have gone to the trial as everyone else did including players from last year who were asked to play. I don't think he is above the trials process.

But the point I was disputing was Harte not picking players because they are east Tyrone or what club they come from as opposed to being critical of McNally who has every right not to play if he doesn't want to.

Non comparison, Mackers head and shoulders above the Errigal man who got many opportunities

If memory serves me right, he was trying to break into a team (as an attacking half back) in the years when Tyrone were going ultra defensive and therefore he was never going to shine in Hartes system then. Many a good footballer in the county has been overlooked for various reasons like this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on December 18, 2018, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 17, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
Jesus lads its Christmas give it a rest until January!

Nobody should be yapping about the inclusion of the couple of young lads. Let them at it they are under enough pressure. I don't see a pile of other forwards standing out in the county
As well as Murnaghan at CHB 4 of the 6 Colleges All-star forwards were Tyrone men so maybe we will see a few more come through in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 18, 2018, 08:59:35 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

Seek help.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 18, 2018, 09:19:23 AM
Wouldnt read to much into college awards.Every man and his dog has an all stars award ceremony.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on December 18, 2018, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 18, 2018, 08:59:35 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

Seek help.

Unbelievable. You just know that he'd be on complaining if he hadn't called him up. So didn't matter what Mickey did STG was going to have his whine anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 18, 2018, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 18, 2018, 08:59:35 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

Seek help.

I love a bit of winding up as much as the next man but this is top, top notch. The effort to actually come up with this scenario. Unreal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on December 18, 2018, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

God forbid the u20 manager would win something and put pressure on harte for his job. This is going to make it very difficult for the u20s and leaves harte more secure in his own job for another few years (here's hoping). I'd say that's more his thinking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2018, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 18, 2018, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

God forbid the u20 manager would win something and put pressure on harte for his job. This is going to make it very difficult for the u20s and leaves harte more secure in his own job for another few years (here's hoping). I'd say that's more his thinking.

Classic nonsensical Lennyism.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on December 18, 2018, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2018, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 18, 2018, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

God forbid the u20 manager would win something and put pressure on harte for his job. This is going to make it very difficult for the u20s and leaves harte more secure in his own job for another few years (here's hoping). I'd say that's more his thinking.

Classic nonsensical Lennyism.  ;D

He's taken 2 good players from the u20s and realistically how much game time will they get with the seniors? Do you think these players are physically ready for senior county football? And at the end of the season the u20 manager will be be blamed for another bad season and harte continues on with no pressure on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on December 18, 2018, 09:25:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 18, 2018, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2018, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 18, 2018, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

God forbid the u20 manager would win something and put pressure on harte for his job. This is going to make it very difficult for the u20s and leaves harte more secure in his own job for another few years (here's hoping). I'd say that's more his thinking.

Classic nonsensical Lennyism.  ;D

He's taken 2 good players from the u20s and realistically how much game time will they get with the seniors? Do you think these players are physically ready for senior county football? And at the end of the season the u20 manager will be be blamed for another bad season and harte continues on with no pressure on him.

It's very cynical but it makes sense. By all accounts Canavan is a star in the making but its very early for him I think. Realistically how many games is he going to play this year? Someone above mentioned Clifford, but the difference in stature between both is incredible. I hope he is the second coming of Jesus because we need him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 18, 2018, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 18, 2018, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2018, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 18, 2018, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

God forbid the u20 manager would win something and put pressure on harte for his job. This is going to make it very difficult for the u20s and leaves harte more secure in his own job for another few years (here's hoping). I'd say that's more his thinking.

Classic nonsensical Lennyism.  ;D

He's taken 2 good players from the u20s and realistically how much game time will they get with the seniors? Do you think these players are physically ready for senior county football? And at the end of the season the u20 manager will be be blamed for another bad season and harte continues on with no pressure on him.

So Harte has only called up Darragh Canavan....to put pressure on the U20 manager....so his team underperform....so there's no pressure on Harte?? You're a feckin looney bin, Lenny.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2018, 11:52:49 PM
lads do not underestimate the lengths harte will go to stay in power. anything and everything is up for grabs with him. baby jesus may just have arrived in time to save him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on December 19, 2018, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 18, 2018, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 18, 2018, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 18, 2018, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2018, 08:46:07 PM
harte only pulling canavan in now so he can say he was the one who gave him his first chance. you think harte was gonna do the sensible thing and wait 2 yrs and bring the 20yr old canavan in from u20s? no, god forbid there could be a new mangager in place by then and mickey wouldn't have got his hands on him. and il bet my last dollar that harte will be using this lad as a pawn to negotiate a contract extension in 2 years time or even less.

God forbid the u20 manager would win something and put pressure on harte for his job. This is going to make it very difficult for the u20s and leaves harte more secure in his own job for another few years (here's hoping). I'd say that's more his thinking.

Classic nonsensical Lennyism.  ;D

He's taken 2 good players from the u20s and realistically how much game time will they get with the seniors? Do you think these players are physically ready for senior county football? And at the end of the season the u20 manager will be be blamed for another bad season and harte continues on with no pressure on him.

If, during the Mckenna Cup and early part of the League, Canavan and Murnaghan are not playing or showing signs of being able to make an impact for the seniors in the championship they will simply drop back to the u20s.

My guess is that Harte has looked at the landscape of the county game in the last couple of years, saw that Clifford make a huge impact last year straight out of minors and saw a few smaller guys like Ian Burke, Eoin Murchan, Ryan McHugh etc excelling and thought why not bring these two guys in and see if they are up to it. If so, great. If not, they go back to the u20s for the year and hopefully come back to the seniors next year or the year after.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
Bigpackieschestout, so your saying harte thinks we need a few smaller players? Smaller than mark Bradley, Mc curry, o Neill, sludden or Mc Geary? Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on December 19, 2018, 12:38:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
Bigpackieschestout, so your saying harte thinks we need a few smaller players? Smaller than mark Bradley, Mc curry, o Neill, sludden or Mc Geary? Jesus wept.

No. Are you suggesting we should wait until Darragh Canavan grows half a foot before we call him up? Or should we write him off completely because we already have enough short players?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
Canavans size is irrelevant. He has the ability and class to develop into a top class county footballer. Just don't see the rush to put pressure on the young lad. Pretty sure Clifford would have been a year older when brought in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on December 19, 2018, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
Canavans size is irrelevant. He has the ability and class to develop into a top class county footballer. Just don't see the rush to put pressure on the young lad. Pretty sure Clifford would have been a year older when brought in.

And if he wasn't picked it'd be 'Harte doesn't pick flair players, only wants defenders in the forward positions'

Dose
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on December 19, 2018, 02:24:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
Canavans size is irrelevant. He has the ability and class to develop into a top class county footballer. Just don't see the rush to put pressure on the young lad. Pretty sure Clifford would have been a year older when brought in.

Nah Clifford is exactly one year older
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 19, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
Niall Morgan    Éadan na dTorc
2    Liam Rafferty    An Gallbhaile
3    Rory Brennan    Trí Leac
4    Ciaran McLaughlin    An Ómaigh
5    Tiernan McCann    Coill an Chlochair
6    Aidan McCrory    Aireagal Chiaráin
7    Ben McDonnell    Aireagal Chiaráin
8    Conan Grugan    An Ómaigh
9    Brian Kennedy    Doire Lochain
10    Niall Sludden    An Droim Mhór
11    Kyle Coney    Ard Bó
12    Cathal McShane    E. R. Uí Néill
13    Darren McCurry    Éadan na dTorc
14    David Mulgrew    Ard Bó
15    Ruairi Sludden    An Droim Mhór
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 19, 2018, 05:51:20 PM
16    Benny Gallen    Achadh Uí Aráin
17    Darragh Canavan    Aireagal Chiaráin
18    Peter Harte    Aireagal Chiaráin
19    Conor Meyler    An Ómaigh
20    Matthew Murnaghan    Coill an Chlochair
21    Declan McClure    Cluain Eo
22    Hugh Pat McGeary    Cabhán a'Chaortainn
23    Ronan McNamee    Achadh Uí Aráin
24    Ronan O'Neill    An Ómaigh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 19, 2018, 05:59:12 PM
I hope we do not bring The young cub on in the Mc  Kenna cup against those  Derry hoors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 19, 2018, 06:16:54 PM
Course he will, score about 2-4 as well!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on December 19, 2018, 02:24:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
Canavans size is irrelevant. He has the ability and class to develop into a top class county footballer. Just don't see the rush to put pressure on the young lad. Pretty sure Clifford would have been a year older when brought in.

Nah Clifford is exactly one year older
is that not what I just said? Clifford is 20 on 22 jan. so he was 19 before he kicked a ball for Kerry seniors. canavan not 19 til april I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on December 19, 2018, 10:54:02 PM
never worry bout canavan. the real issue being missed is how can a manager that plays tiernan mccann on kieran kilkenny be trusted to get a kick out of this side. would that be the worst match up in the history of recent contests in croker. only mark harte on francie bellew in o5 drawn ulster final was  possibly worse. tiernan mccann in full flow is a class act but man marker he is not. i wonder if any journalist would have the cahones to ask the tactical genius what his thought process was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on December 20, 2018, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on December 19, 2018, 02:24:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 19, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
Canavans size is irrelevant. He has the ability and class to develop into a top class county footballer. Just don't see the rush to put pressure on the young lad. Pretty sure Clifford would have been a year older when brought in.

Nah Clifford is exactly one year older
is that not what I just said? Clifford is 20 on 22 jan. so he was 19 before he kicked a ball for Kerry seniors. canavan not 19 til april I think.

So Clifford was three months older than Darragh is now when he was brought on to the Kerry panel. Sorry, you're right - Canavan is far too young...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 20, 2018, 10:43:44 PM
Kyle Coney MOTM.

Yes its mckenna cup and its December and it doesnt matter but interesting none the less.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 20, 2018, 11:08:25 PM
aiden mc crory captain tonight. lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on December 20, 2018, 11:42:57 PM
Sam's coming home amongst the bushes, lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 21, 2018, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

Did you see Darragh's performance in the U17 final a few years ago? Was there a better u17 in Ireland that year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on December 21, 2018, 06:35:04 AM
Any online highlights lads?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 21, 2018, 07:51:43 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on December 20, 2018, 11:42:57 PM
Sam's coming home amongst the bushes, lads.

Headbands and CDs at the ready.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleaflad on December 21, 2018, 09:46:32 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2018, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

Did you see Darragh's performance in the U17 final a few years ago? Was there a better u17 in Ireland that year?
To be fair that was the transition year. Both U17 and U18 championships were played. We had our best U17s not playing in that U17 championship as they were with the U18s and i'm sure the likes of Kerry and Dublin were the same. Not saying that young Canavan isn't a great we player because he isand I see he got himself a score last night. I'd have held him out another year for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on December 21, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
I only take positives from last night. All returning players looked sharp and hungry, coney looks in good nick maybe he feels he has a score to settle which can only be good for tyrone.

Also a kick in the @ss for last years squad.

Canavan looks very classy, if nothing else he is a joy to watch when he gets the ball.

Have a good Christmas looking forward to see how the team progresses in the new year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 21, 2018, 10:23:46 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on December 21, 2018, 10:08:16 AM
I only take positives from last night. All returning players looked sharp and hungry, coney looks in good nick maybe he feels he has a score to settle which can only be good for tyrone.

Also a kick in the @ss for last years squad.

Canavan looks very classy, if nothing else he is a joy to watch when he gets the ball.

Have a good Christmas looking forward to see how the team progresses in the new year

It was obviously only a glimpse at Canavan but he looks to have his da's brain if nothing else. There was one time he caught a ball with 2 men bundling him over in the process, for a mark. Instead of taking the handy option he made a beautiful offload to O'Neill (I think) for a goal chance.

Thought of the new fellas Kennedy looked like he could get a starting jersey. Of the returnees I actually thought McCurry was MOTM ahead of Coney but I appear to be in a minority of one on that thought.

WRT to the establishment I thought Meyler was superb. He's like a Duracell bunny! Morgan appears to be following the Beggan/ Gallen school and on 2 or 3 occasions he joined in the play outfield. He also looks to have established a new, less fussy placed kick and he's 2 x 45s sailed over the bar very comfortably.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 21, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2018, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

Did you see Darragh's performance in the U17 final a few years ago? Was there a better u17 in Ireland that year?

I don't think you are getting the point, I'm not saying he's not a good player. Far from it. I'm saying he's played very, very little senior club football, take into account there'll be someone who'll love to take a slap at him.

There have been very few players ever, to go straight from minor/u17 whatever that are able to slot straight into a senior intercounty team. The jump is enormous, most players who shine at underage level, shine because they have a physical edge, be it speed/size/power that is instantly neutralised once they make the step up to senior level.

Perhaps this lad will be the McBrearty/Coulter figure from Tyrone but I just think it's a massive risk to be throwing him straight into the lions when really, there is no need just yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 21, 2018, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 21, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2018, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

Did you see Darragh's performance in the U17 final a few years ago? Was there a better u17 in Ireland that year?

I don't think you are getting the point, I'm not saying he's not a good player. Far from it. I'm saying he's played very, very little senior club football, take into account there'll be someone who'll love to take a slap at him.

There have been very few players ever, to go straight from minor/u17 whatever that are able to slot straight into a senior intercounty team. The jump is enormous, most players who shine at underage level, shine because they have a physical edge, be it speed/size/power that is instantly neutralised once they make the step up to senior level.

Perhaps this lad will be the McBrearty/Coulter figure from Tyrone but I just think it's a massive risk to be throwing him straight into the lions when really, there is no need just yet.

It would not surprise me to see him drop back to the U20s after the McKenna Cup. Throwing him in now gets rid of all the hype and pressure whenever he's thrown back in next year or whenever.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 21, 2018, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 21, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2018, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

Did you see Darragh's performance in the U17 final a few years ago? Was there a better u17 in Ireland that year?

I don't think you are getting the point, I'm not saying he's not a good player. Far from it. I'm saying he's played very, very little senior club football, take into account there'll be someone who'll love to take a slap at him.

There have been very few players ever, to go straight from minor/u17 whatever that are able to slot straight into a senior intercounty team. The jump is enormous, most players who shine at underage level, shine because they have a physical edge, be it speed/size/power that is instantly neutralised once they make the step up to senior level.

Perhaps this lad will be the McBrearty/Coulter figure from Tyrone but I just think it's a massive risk to be throwing him straight into the lions when really, there is no need just yet.

Time will tell but I don't think it's unfeasible to be calling up a guy who was the best player on an u17 all Ireland winning team two years ago. But sure maybe it's all a plan to get the u20 manager sacked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 21, 2018, 12:53:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2018, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 21, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 21, 2018, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

Did you see Darragh's performance in the U17 final a few years ago? Was there a better u17 in Ireland that year?

I don't think you are getting the point, I'm not saying he's not a good player. Far from it. I'm saying he's played very, very little senior club football, take into account there'll be someone who'll love to take a slap at him.

There have been very few players ever, to go straight from minor/u17 whatever that are able to slot straight into a senior intercounty team. The jump is enormous, most players who shine at underage level, shine because they have a physical edge, be it speed/size/power that is instantly neutralised once they make the step up to senior level.

Perhaps this lad will be the McBrearty/Coulter figure from Tyrone but I just think it's a massive risk to be throwing him straight into the lions when really, there is no need just yet.

Time will tell but I don't think it's unfeasible to be calling up a guy who was the best player on an u17 all Ireland winning team two years ago. But sure maybe it's all a plan to get the u20 manager sacked.

I couldn't even tell you who that is to be perfectly honest so I'm not into some sort of conspiracy. I think Norf Tyrone has probably hit the nail on the head with his prior post.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 21, 2018, 04:06:50 PM
Thought Ruairi Sludden was very good last night. He certainly stood out as the type of forward Tyrone has been missing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on December 21, 2018, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 21, 2018, 06:35:04 AM
Any online highlights lads?

Highlights of plenty of scores on BBC NI website. Some great points by the look of it. Meaningless game but good to see the quality of the new/returning players on show.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 22, 2018, 09:28:01 PM
Has PtG two cubs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on December 23, 2018, 11:40:48 AM
Yeah, he has another lad around 15 or so. Saw him play against Lough u14s last year. Looked some player that day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on December 31, 2018, 06:35:09 PM
What did yiz make of Sean's book?

I thought it was fairly honest and didn't hold back, especially towards the end.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 01, 2019, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 31, 2018, 06:35:09 PM
What did yiz make of Sean's book?

I thought it was fairly honest and didn't hold back, especially towards the end.

Grand like. Alot of mistakes in it though, you can tell it was wrote by a biographer from notes. Alot of "we played X in the quarter final" when it was Y.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 01, 2019, 01:06:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 01, 2019, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 31, 2018, 06:35:09 PM
What did yiz make of Sean's book?

I thought it was fairly honest and didn't hold back, especially towards the end.

Grand like. Alot of mistakes in it though, you can tell it was wrote by a biographer from notes. Alot of "we played X in the quarter final" when it was Y.

That's very poor if true!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 01, 2019, 06:01:24 PM
Thailand looks a right place to visit!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on January 02, 2019, 11:58:12 AM
Only the players will know what its like. No backroom team invited!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 02, 2019, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: The Trap on January 02, 2019, 11:58:12 AM
Only the players will know what its like. No backroom team invited!

None ?
Horse or Stephen o neill ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 02, 2019, 01:20:41 PM
I seen horse and Mickey were definitely there. They can hardly stretch it to mickeys 40 man backroom team or it would turn into a weekend in bundoran
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 02, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
Is this not a forum for discussion about football matters.Personal beliefs should be respected  STG.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2019, 02:06:05 PM
Harte is definitely there. I think they train every morning as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on January 02, 2019, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 02, 2019, 01:20:41 PM
I seen horse and Mickey were definitely there. They can hardly stretch it to mickeys 40 man backroom team or it would turn into a weekend in bundoran

Does anybody know how many are away then??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on January 02, 2019, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 31, 2018, 06:35:09 PM
What did yiz make of Sean's book?

I thought it was fairly honest and didn't hold back, especially towards the end.

Quite poorly written in the end. Enjoyable enough if you can look past that. He seems to have no issues with saying it how it is/was/whatever.

Interestingly he was big on the legacy he was leaving behind for his little boy. No mention at all of a legacy for the 2 girls, which in today's world and the push for female sports equality I found to be a bit of an oversight on his part.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on January 02, 2019, 05:17:55 PM
Was fighting with myself over whether or not to buy this book for a few weeks.  Not Cavanagh's biggest fan since his retirement but eventually I bit the bullet.  Not a bad read. 
Found it strange that he had pics in there of places of worship in the Moy eg the church of Ireland, the Catholic church etc.  Not sure what the reasoning was behind this. 
Think he was hinting that tyrone were behind the others with regard to weight training etc which eventually caught up with them.
Only a few chapters left now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 02, 2019, 06:50:00 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 02, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
Is this not a forum for discussion about football matters.Personal beliefs should be respected  STG.
it's also my personal belief that religion and football shouldn't be mixed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2019, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on January 02, 2019, 05:17:55 PM
Was fighting with myself over whether or not to buy this book for a few weeks.  Not Cavanagh's biggest fan since his retirement but eventually I bit the bullet.  Not a bad read. 
Found it strange that he had pics in there of places of worship in the Moy eg the church of Ireland, the Catholic church etc.  Not sure what the reasoning was behind this. 
Think he was hinting that tyrone were behind the others with regard to weight training etc which eventually caught up with them.
Only a few chapters left now.

Towards the end he sorta cuts loose on a few things.

There were about half a dozen factual inaccuracies. Pity the ghost writer didn't have a ghost reader. Still, surprisingly enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 02, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2019, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on January 02, 2019, 05:17:55 PM
Was fighting with myself over whether or not to buy this book for a few weeks.  Not Cavanagh's biggest fan since his retirement but eventually I bit the bullet.  Not a bad read. 
Found it strange that he had pics in there of places of worship in the Moy eg the church of Ireland, the Catholic church etc.  Not sure what the reasoning was behind this. 
Think he was hinting that tyrone were behind the others with regard to weight training etc which eventually caught up with them.
Only a few chapters left now.

Towards the end he sorta cuts loose on a few things.

There were about half a dozen factual inaccuracies. Pity the ghost writer didn't have a ghost reader. Still, surprisingly enjoyed it.

Enjoyed it too. His school move from Dungannon to Armagh didn't take up too much time in the book.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 06, 2019, 03:59:41 PM
A solid performance in what was a very drab affair as a whole. Considering they aren't long off the plane you'd have to be happy enough. Who did people think were the standout performers? I thought Kennedy was comfortably MOTM and was surprised to hear Grugan got it - although he was solid throughout. Coney showed glimpses of class and although I don't recall him scoring, Canavan was exciting when on the ball. However it was admittedly not a day for free flowing attacking football so the forwards had a tough day at the office. Murnagahan looked sharp and it was sad to see him go off injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2019, 04:43:32 PM
No doubt Kennedy should have got it!  Very impressed with him.
Coney was poor I thought as was Ronan ONeill.
Brennan looked sharp for UUJ. Was their number 10 Nathan Donnelly as in programme? He showed good flashes of play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 06, 2019, 04:56:36 PM
Will ONeill make the cut? Surely too far down the pecking order now. Was McCurry injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2019, 05:08:00 PM
On today's showing I couldn't see it. Mulgrew although not a natural full forward was way more effective simply with his movement and pace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 06, 2019, 06:40:07 PM
I thought Coney did some very good things and seemed to work hard. But it was when he tried some of the more extravagant things that you would get very frustrated. O'Neill didn't have a great day, but as I said it was not the day for the inside forwards. I thought Mulgrew was actually poor when he came on but got on the end of some ball more because of the vision of Canavan/Harte. Kennedy and Grugan are definitely an upgrade on McClure/McNulty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 06, 2019, 07:36:41 PM
Took in the game meself. Thought Coney had a good game. Showed well esp in 1st 10. No doubt he has the ability. Today he really looked interested and as if he rally wanted it.
Thought conditions were tough. Canavan tried but difficult and not really a forwards day.
Melyer had a good game.
Keeper experiment taking 45s lasted all of 2 mins when Benny didn't get his one free in the air.
Hard to really take much out of it. Could Ronan O'Neill's days be number. Very ordinary and looked out of shape.
Lee Brennan is different class and no doubt will carry Tyrone's hope for years to come.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 06, 2019, 07:43:36 PM
Forgot to say, new hand pass rule is a load of dung and must be abandoned immediately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 06, 2019, 09:00:45 PM
Ah the new handpass rule is a pile of tripe. It's going to encourage negativity if anything. Gallen had two efforts and I thought he didn't look comfortable with either, really seemed to force it. However it was a horrible day for off the ground. I would question his presence around the area, feel like the goal shouldn't have happened. I think O'Neill is in bother, he is well down the pecking order but the absence of Bradley might just save him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 06, 2019, 10:19:06 PM
Thought Coney did well enough today, man marked the entire game. McLaughlin was decent as was Grumman and Kennedy very good.

Jr did well, most balls into him stuck and he has good awareness about him.

Not a great performance but did enough.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 06, 2019, 11:23:30 PM
I see Mickey O'Neill has called it a day. Did a decent job for Tyrone when asked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on January 07, 2019, 10:06:30 AM
Typical McKenna cup....UUJ done ok for long periods... very poor standard of a game in my opinion... but was a chance to give players game time who wont be playing that much a run out i suppose.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 07, 2019, 11:26:38 AM
Where was McCurry? Thought he was back in the fold?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on January 07, 2019, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 07, 2019, 11:26:38 AM
Where was McCurry? Thought he was back in the fold?

away on holidays in Oz
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 07, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on January 06, 2019, 09:00:45 PM
Ah the new handpass rule is a pile of tripe. It's going to encourage negativity if anything. Gallen had two efforts and I thought he didn't look comfortable with either, really seemed to force it. However it was a horrible day for off the ground. I would question his presence around the area, feel like the goal shouldn't have happened. I think O'Neill is in bother, he is well down the pecking order but the absence of Bradley might just save him.

The intention behind the new handpass rule is presumably to discourage the slow build up play and to encourage teams to leave more forwards in position. Yesterday we saw that this did not happen. Instead both teams set out as they otherwise would have, except that when building the play up around the 45s they kicked more shorter passes where they would previously have handpassed, in order to save their handpasses for when they were needed. You also had instances of lads turning around and kicking backwards or sideways when an attack was building nicely, simply because the 3 handpass limit was reached, the opposition had extra men behind the ball so no kickpass was on, and the player in possession was afraid of being caught.

Therefore the rule has resulted in more inconsequential kicking around the middle third in order to meet the requirements of the rule, but hasn't encouraged teams to launch more ball into the full forward line (why would they) or keep more men up the pitch, as per the spirit of the rule.

This could have been easily predicted before the rule was ever trialed. I have no qualms about writing this rule off at this early stage and hope the trial does not continue into the League.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on January 07, 2019, 06:06:24 PM
Just enquiring if anyone heard any interesting tit-bits from the holiday? Specifically the absence of the backroom team and a possible player in a spot of bother? I heard a bit of info at work today but wouldn't read much into it unless someone else had heard the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 08, 2019, 08:57:45 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 07, 2019, 06:06:24 PM
Just enquiring if anyone heard any interesting tit-bits from the holiday? Specifically the absence of the backroom team and a possible player in a spot of bother? I heard a bit of info at work today but wouldn't read much into it unless someone else had heard the same.
FFS. What goes on tour stays on tour. Leave the lads some space to unwind.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2019, 02:10:15 PM
I'd be more disappointed if a group of 30 or so lads went away to a place like that and didn't get themselves into bother.

Let them bate away, soon they'll be locked up with no social lives for however many months. Get it out of the system. I'd have went to Vegas personally.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on January 08, 2019, 06:05:12 PM
f**k that lads

What happened Thereadonald?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on January 08, 2019, 07:28:46 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 07, 2019, 06:06:24 PM
Just enquiring if anyone heard any interesting tit-bits from the holiday? Specifically the absence of the backroom team and a possible player in a spot of bother? I heard a bit of info at work today but wouldn't read much into it unless someone else had heard the same.
Story doing the rounds that the player in bother was abducted?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 09, 2019, 08:13:15 AM
1 N Morgan,
 2 L Rafferty, 3 HP McGeary, 4 C McLaughlin,
 5 B McDonnell, 6 R Brennan, 7 P Harte, 
8 C. Grugan, 9 B. Kennedy,
10 N Sludden, 11 C McCann, 12 R Gray
13 D. Mulgrew, 14 C. McShane,  15 R O'Neill,

Interesting team for tonight. There's am opportunity for some and a sprinkle of experience also. Although he kicked the odd score, I thought young Gray was a weak enough link. One time in particular he gave away a silly free and Mickey near lost it. Good to see a bit of continuity in the midfield and I'll be keen to see how  both McDonnell and McLaughlin go, as both impressed in their last games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on January 09, 2019, 08:44:48 AM
No sign of matty donnelly or padraig mcnulty to date. Presume matty is being rested for mckenna cup. Has mcnulty left the panel? will do well to keep his place with big kennedy and crugan going well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 09, 2019, 09:26:30 AM
According to Sean cavanaghs book, canavans winning free against Armagh in 05 semi was kicked into the canal end. That's news to me!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 09, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
I imagine that both could be taking time away. I'd be surprised if McNulty has walked but maybe he has? Just recently married so he could be taking some time to himself, which nobody could hold against him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 09, 2019, 11:20:16 PM
Pretty crap fair tonight. At half time there were more scores in the Man City game than in Healy Park!

It was a nothing game and this dynamic was clear to see in the player's attitude. Just doing enough to get over the line.

Some points of interest:

- Niall Morgan had some excellent kick outs and found some great footpasses up the field from open play. Was brave stopping a Fermanagh goal chance and put over an Excellent free from behind the 45 out towards the stand.

- Kyle Coney done well when he came on. Some nice foot passes and added more directness to our play. Scored an absolute beauty off the outside of the left from around the 45.

- don't know how HP got man of the match. He done alright but hardly had a pile to do and rarely was on the ball imo. Would have given it to Brian Kennedy myself. He might be a great find this year. Big lad and can tackle very well. Grugan also played well.

- handpass rule is an utter ball of shite. First time I've seen it live and it stiffles the game completely. Adds no extra fluidity and encourages silly short sideways kick passes or long kick passes back into defence to 'reset.'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 11, 2019, 02:35:06 PM
Team for Sunday:

1. Gallen
2. A. McCrory
3. HP McGeary
4. McKernan
5. M. Cassidy
6. R Brennan
7. B. McDonnell
8. McClure
9. Kennedy
10. C McCann
11. Coney
12. McShane
13. L. Brennan
14. R. O'Neill
15. R. Sludden

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 11, 2019, 02:52:55 PM
Mickey showing massive faith in Ronan O'Neill. Am I right in thinking he started every match? Didn't show a pile on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on January 11, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 11, 2019, 02:52:55 PM
Mickey showing massive faith in Ronan O'Neill. Am I right in thinking he started every match? Didn't show a pile on Wednesday night.
Giving him enough rope to hang himself id imagine
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 11, 2019, 02:58:13 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on January 11, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 11, 2019, 02:52:55 PM
Mickey showing massive faith in Ronan O'Neill. Am I right in thinking he started every match? Didn't show a pile on Wednesday night.
Giving him enough rope to hang himself id imagine

I actually thought O'Neill worked his socks off on Wednesday. Didn't contribute a huge amount on the scoresheet but definitely the hardest I've seen him work in a Tyrone jersey. I'd still question his physical condition but.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 11, 2019, 03:09:39 PM
He did work hard enough but you'd have to expect him to start making a dent on the scoreboard at this stage. What has he scored over the previous three games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 11, 2019, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 11, 2019, 03:09:39 PM
He did work hard enough but you'd have to expect him to start making a dent on the scoreboard at this stage. What has he scored over the previous three games?

He came off the bench to score a free against Derry in the first game. Agree he worked hard against both UUJ and Fermanagh, and would also include the caveat that these were far from the ideal conditions for inside forwards. You would like to think he'd be showing a bit more against this level of opposition though. Unfortunately come championship I can't see anything more than a repeat of his role last summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on January 11, 2019, 03:26:27 PM
I recall Mickey giving a few squad players plenty of game time in McKenna cup before and then dropping them.

Enough rope to hang themselves as someone above put it i.e. you've had your chances and haven;t impressed, away you go
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 11, 2019, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on January 11, 2019, 02:58:13 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on January 11, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 11, 2019, 02:52:55 PM
Mickey showing massive faith in Ronan O'Neill. Am I right in thinking he started every match? Didn't show a pile on Wednesday night.
Giving him enough rope to hang himself id imagine

I actually thought O'Neill worked his socks off on Wednesday. Didn't contribute a huge amount on the scoresheet but definitely the hardest I've seen him work in a Tyrone jersey. I'd still question his physical condition but.

Nothing 5-6 weeks won't cure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on January 11, 2019, 03:50:28 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 11, 2019, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on January 11, 2019, 02:58:13 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on January 11, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 11, 2019, 02:52:55 PM
Mickey showing massive faith in Ronan O'Neill. Am I right in thinking he started every match? Didn't show a pile on Wednesday night.
Giving him enough rope to hang himself id imagine

I actually thought O'Neill worked his socks off on Wednesday. Didn't contribute a huge amount on the scoresheet but definitely the hardest I've seen him work in a Tyrone jersey. I'd still question his physical condition but.

Nothing 5-6 weeks won't cure.
5-6 years hasn't
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 11, 2019, 03:58:54 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on January 11, 2019, 03:50:28 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 11, 2019, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on January 11, 2019, 02:58:13 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on January 11, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 11, 2019, 02:52:55 PM
Mickey showing massive faith in Ronan O'Neill. Am I right in thinking he started every match? Didn't show a pile on Wednesday night.
Giving him enough rope to hang himself id imagine

I actually thought O'Neill worked his socks off on Wednesday. Didn't contribute a huge amount on the scoresheet but definitely the hardest I've seen him work in a Tyrone jersey. I'd still question his physical condition but.

Nothing 5-6 weeks won't cure.
5-6 years hasn't

Well that's a different problem altogether  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 11, 2019, 08:42:44 PM
Is that him in condition? Looks similar to last year in the championship, never looks the fittest from afar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on January 12, 2019, 08:56:31 PM
Whats the craic with big Kennedy then?
Age?
Height? (wild big cub)
Pedigree?
Havent seen him playing yet but few good reports so far
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on January 13, 2019, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 12, 2019, 08:56:31 PM
Whats the craic with big Kennedy then?
Age?
Height? (wild big cub)
Pedigree?
Havent seen him playing yet but few good reports so far

Played for the under 20s last year.
Must be near 6ft5. He dwarfs Conan Grugan who must be 6ft2 or 3 himself
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 13, 2019, 01:20:27 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 12, 2019, 08:56:31 PM
Whats the craic with big Kennedy then?
Age?
Height? (wild big cub)
Pedigree?
Havent seen him playing yet but few good reports so far

Is he a cub of Petsies?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2019, 03:37:47 PM
Petsies nephew , his Da is Kevin Kennedy , he was a very player good player and won a senior Championship with Derrylaughan in 1981.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 13, 2019, 04:46:25 PM
Always nice to get the win over Derry. Poor enough game overall but typical of January fare. Very slow start to the game but finished the half well.

Brought Darragh Canavan and Petey Harte into the FF line in place of Brennan (didn't get into game at all) and Ronan O'Neill (actually thought he was doing alright, TBF).

Petey is a class act and really led the line well. Interestingly, he more or less stayed in the FF all the time. Gave Chrissy McKeigue his absolute full of it when they came together.

Young Canavan done well when he came on, scored an absolute beauty by throwing a drop shoulder dummy to get space and put it over. Won a free too when bravely went in for a dodgy ball. Only issue would be he tried too hard to be tricky at some stages and tied himself up a bit but we'll not complain about that as he's trying to make things happen.

Big thing for me so far this year is young Kennedy. He is absolutely flying. Early stages yet but you could see him making a big impact this year. He's a huge unit. At one stage McAtanamy (no small man) was tearing up the line, Kennedy stopped him dead in his tracks by just meeting him chest to chest. McAtanamy dropped to the ground then got blown up for over carrying. He won loads of high ball and has great pace when moving with the ball for a big man.

Any word on the two Donnelly's? McAliskey was togged out today again, wonder when he'll be good to go?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on January 13, 2019, 04:51:23 PM
Just going through the Tyrone GAA Twitter feed and was seriously confused, is it a parody account?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on January 13, 2019, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: everymanaman on January 13, 2019, 04:51:23 PM
Just going through the Tyrone GAA Twitter feed and was seriously confused, is it a parody account?

No surprise. Any specific balls ups or just in general?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on January 13, 2019, 06:11:17 PM
The scores were all over the shop
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 13, 2019, 08:59:44 PM
Tyrone have strength in numbers beating a better Derry team than in recent years with only a few players from AI final game. Does anyone have any other comments on the game? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on January 13, 2019, 09:14:36 PM
Was in Armagh today,Kennedy I thought was MoM I couldn't see how Pete Harte got it whilst only on for 2nd half, Kyle Coney looks to be in great shape and got on a lot of ball,he could make the difference this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 13, 2019, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: twenty one yard free on January 13, 2019, 09:14:36 PM
Was in Armagh today,Kennedy I thought was MoM I couldn't see how Pete Harte got it whilst only on for 2nd half, Kyle Coney looks to be in great shape and got on a lot of ball,he could make the difference this year

Unresl how he didn't get the motm award!

Kyle is looking good at the minute. The only question is will he have the extra gears required for the hard ground in croker come August? He isn't blessed with great pace. However, it's great to see him moving the ball long via the foot pass. They don't all come off but could be a big weapon to get quality ball into our forward line in the summer.

Would big Kennedy be useful round the square for 10 minutes here and there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 14, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
Quote from: everymanaman on January 13, 2019, 06:11:17 PM
The scores were all over the shop
Aye it is a bit of a b0111x fi you have their feed and the TeamTalk feed (or indeed any other feed) coming in as they are usually 1-2 scores behind or out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on January 14, 2019, 10:16:34 AM
what time is the coin toss to decide the venue for the final?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on January 14, 2019, 11:01:13 AM
Attended the game yesterday, few thoughts:

Brian Kennedy was a big standout, he was brilliant. A huge physical presence, took some great clean catches around midfield but was also impressive in his tackling. He stopped Derry moves in their tracks several times.
One thing he probably needs to add to his game is confidence in the final third to drive on and take the score, he has all the ability to power past tackles and set up and easy shot for himself, or even to get through on goal. Not many defenders in the game with the size and strength to stop him. That confidence will hopefully come with experience on down the line you'd imagine.

Peter Harte showed his class when he came on. Went toe-to-toe with McKaigue and got the better of him, and acted as a focal point for the Tyrone attack which it sorely missed in the first half. Combined well with Coney on a number of occasions, a nice throwback to the '08 minor days. Looks to have been working on his free-kicking technique, looked very assured on placed balls.

Coney was good, very positive on the ball, always looking to create something. Frustrating that we won't get to see the full extent of his great range of passing more frequently, such is the cluttered defensive shape that will be adopted by opponents. He got through a mountain of possession and there is a serious improvement in his work rate from his last Tyrone stint.

Poor games from Conall McCann and Cathal McShane, both guilty of handling errors and poor decision-making. Bit puzzling that Harte kept them on long after half-time when we had options on the bench.

Ronan O'Neill a real worry. Seems to be getting a lot of chances so far, he looked off the pace, shipped off at halftime. Would worry for his place in the standing, given McCurry back in the mix and Brennan now arguably the chief scoring forward in the panel. 

Another encouraging cameo from Canavan Jr. Showed a bit of guile and trickery to wriggle out of a few tackles and clip over a lovely point. Brave like his auld boy, threw himself into 50/50s and won a few important frees. Very much a boy still, was swallowed up and threw off it a few times, but give him a year under Peter Donnelly and he'll no doubt meet the physical demands of the game. Was receiving a lot of encouragement from the line, notably Gavin Devlin, when involved in good things.

Overall I'd say Mickey Harte would be far from overjoyed with the performance. There were a lot of errors in possession, simple handling and a reticence to shoot when well-placed. Nothing that can't be ironed out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 14, 2019, 02:00:40 PM
Saturday night in the Athletic grounds and live on TG4 I believe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 14, 2019, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: deadman on January 14, 2019, 11:01:13 AM
Attended the game yesterday, few thoughts:

Brian Kennedy was a big standout, he was brilliant. A huge physical presence, took some great clean catches around midfield but was also impressive in his tackling. He stopped Derry moves in their tracks several times.
One thing he probably needs to add to his game is confidence in the final third to drive on and take the score, he has all the ability to power past tackles and set up and easy shot for himself, or even to get through on goal. Not many defenders in the game with the size and strength to stop him. That confidence will hopefully come with experience on down the line you'd imagine.

Peter Harte showed his class when he came on. Went toe-to-toe with McKaigue and got the better of him, and acted as a focal point for the Tyrone attack which it sorely missed in the first half. Combined well with Coney on a number of occasions, a nice throwback to the '08 minor days. Looks to have been working on his free-kicking technique, looked very assured on placed balls.

Coney was good, very positive on the ball, always looking to create something. Frustrating that we won't get to see the full extent of his great range of passing more frequently, such is the cluttered defensive shape that will be adopted by opponents. He got through a mountain of possession and there is a serious improvement in his work rate from his last Tyrone stint.

Poor games from Conall McCann and Cathal McShane, both guilty of handling errors and poor decision-making. Bit puzzling that Harte kept them on long after half-time when we had options on the bench.

Ronan O'Neill a real worry. Seems to be getting a lot of chances so far, he looked off the pace, shipped off at halftime. Would worry for his place in the standing, given McCurry back in the mix and Brennan now arguably the chief scoring forward in the panel. 

Another encouraging cameo from Canavan Jr. Showed a bit of guile and trickery to wriggle out of a few tackles and clip over a lovely point. Brave like his auld boy, threw himself into 50/50s and won a few important frees. Very much a boy still, was swallowed up and threw off it a few times, but give him a year under Peter Donnelly and he'll no doubt meet the physical demands of the game. Was receiving a lot of encouragement from the line, notably Gavin Devlin, when involved in good things.

Overall I'd say Mickey Harte would be far from overjoyed with the performance. There were a lot of errors in possession, simple handling and a reticence to shoot when well-placed. Nothing that can't be ironed out.

Harte is notoriously reticent to praise individual players in interviews but he has picked out Kennedy twice in interviews now after McKenna Cup games, referencing his physicality and tackling ability. I expect him to start in Killarney in two weeks time and it looks as if a midfield spot is his to lose at the moment.

I also see Harte picked Canavan out for praise yesterday in his interview. I thought he would eventually transition back to the under 20s this year but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone know when this decision would need to be made by? Could Canavan stay on the panel for the whole League campaign and then switch back to the u20s if he wasn't getting much game time?

Expecting a much stronger lineup this Saturday. Of the players who featured in the All Ireland final, none of the following have featured for us yet in 2019 and if we want them to hit the ground running in Kerry they would need some gametime under their belt: McNamee, Hampsey, McCann, Colm Cav, Mattie and Richie Donnelly, Kieran McGeary, Skeet, Harry Loughran
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 14, 2019, 03:39:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on January 14, 2019, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 14, 2019, 02:57:57 PM
Harte is notoriously reticent to praise individual players in interviews but he has picked out Kennedy twice in interviews now after McKenna Cup games, referencing his physicality and tackling ability. I expect him to start in Killarney in two weeks time and it looks as if a midfield spot is his to lose at the moment.

I also see Harte picked Canavan out for praise yesterday in his interview. I thought he would eventually transition back to the under 20s this year but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone know when this decision would need to be made by? Could Canavan stay on the panel for the whole League campaign and then switch back to the u20s if he wasn't getting much game time?

Expecting a much stronger lineup this Saturday. Of the players who featured in the All Ireland final, none of the following have featured for us yet in 2019 and if we want them to hit the ground running in Kerry they would need some gametime under their belt: McNamee, Hampsey, McCann, Colm Cav, Mattie and Richie Donnelly, Kieran McGeary, Skeet, Harry Loughran

You'll see a few established names back on Saturday as 7 or 8 of the panel will be with Ulster University as they play Tralee in Sigerson this weekend. However of the names you've mentioned above, there's no chance you'll see Skeet. It's almost a miracle he's on the field and running after his leg break in the Club Championship, he's a few months away yet.

Who all do we have from Ulster University? McKernan, Burns, McDonnell, Kennedy, Lee - am I missing anyone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 15, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
Does he have to cut the squad down to 30 something for the league or can the squad be larger or changeable?

Was just chatting to a few lads yesterday about how much more competitive the squad is and for the first time in years we have several options around midfield and even some forwards again to choose from.
If you had to rank your top 10 forwards how would you pick.
For me I think it would be...
P.Harte
Brennan
Sludden
Skeet
Mulgrew
Bradley (when he returns)
McCurry
McShane
Coney
McGeary

Canavan is probably still a bit too young and light yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on January 15, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
Does he have to cut the squad down to 30 something for the league or can the squad be larger or changeable?

Was just chatting to a few lads yesterday about how much more competitive the squad is and for the first time in years we have several options around midfield and even some forwards again to choose from.
If you had to rank your top 10 forwards how would you pick.
For me I think it would be...
P.Harte
Brennan
Sludden
Skeet
Mulgrew
Bradley (when he returns)
McCurry
McShane
Coney
McGeary

Canavan is probably still a bit too young and light yet

i dont think Bradley is going to be an option this year at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on January 15, 2019, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 15, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
Does he have to cut the squad down to 30 something for the league or can the squad be larger or changeable?

Was just chatting to a few lads yesterday about how much more competitive the squad is and for the first time in years we have several options around midfield and even some forwards again to choose from.
If you had to rank your top 10 forwards how would you pick.
For me I think it would be...
P.Harte
Brennan
Sludden
Skeet
Mulgrew
Bradley (when he returns)
McCurry
McShane
Coney
McGeary

Canavan is probably still a bit too young and light yet

i dont think Bradley is going to be an option this year at all.

x2 and laughable how is isnt ahead of Mulgrew.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 15, 2019, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on January 15, 2019, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 15, 2019, 09:50:56 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
Does he have to cut the squad down to 30 something for the league or can the squad be larger or changeable?

Was just chatting to a few lads yesterday about how much more competitive the squad is and for the first time in years we have several options around midfield and even some forwards again to choose from.
If you had to rank your top 10 forwards how would you pick.
For me I think it would be...
P.Harte
Brennan
Sludden
Skeet
Mulgrew
Bradley (when he returns)
McCurry
McShane
Coney
McGeary

Canavan is probably still a bit too young and light yet

i dont think Bradley is going to be an option this year at all.

x2 and laughable how is isnt ahead of Mulgrew.

and Brennan and Skeet.

Ridiculous to try and compare some of the players on that list. How can you compare Peter Harte or Cathal McShane, who both play around the middle, to Brennan or McCurry.

Fuzzman also seems to have omitted our number 10, Captain and two time allstar Mattie Donnelly...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 15, 2019, 10:36:56 PM
Padraig McNulty has left the Tyrone Senior Panel as a result of a back injury. Was said tonight at Garvaghey at the monthly meeting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Spilman47 on January 16, 2019, 11:24:03 AM
So John Devine has left the senior set-up as Goalkeeping Coach, wonder what happened there......and now we hear that MH is trying to get some of the jordanstown players to play sat night before a trip to tralee for game on Sunday at 1pm.......madness....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 16, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: Spilman47 on January 16, 2019, 11:24:03 AM
So John Devine has left the senior set-up as Goalkeeping Coach, wonder what happened there......and now we hear that MH is trying to get some of the jordanstown players to play sat night before a trip to tralee for game on Sunday at 1pm.......madness....

I'd be very surprised if this is true. We are carrying a panel of 40 odd at the minute so can afford to do without 7 Jordanstown men for a glorified challenge match.

5 of the jordanstown men also started last weekend v Derry and I got the impression Harte was giving as many of them as possible a chance precisely due to the fact that they wouldn't be available this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 16, 2019, 12:16:12 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 15, 2019, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on January 15, 2019, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 15, 2019, 09:50:56 AM

x2 and laughable how is isnt ahead of Mulgrew.

and Brennan and Skeet.

Ridiculous to try and compare some of the players on that list. How can you compare Peter Harte or Cathal McShane, who both play around the middle, to Brennan or McCurry.

Fuzzman also seems to have omitted our number 10, Captain and two time allstar Mattie Donnelly...

I had Mattie as a MF and obviously first choice so didn't think I needed to include him.
I was just trying to spark discussion lads and was by no means a definite list
Just think Mulgrew could be a regular starter this year if he stays fit whereas Bradley was in and out of the team quite a bit this year.

Easy to pick holes in others selection but don't see many of ye giving me yer top 10.
Agree its hard to choose between full forwards and half forwards.
Maybe an easier question is that at the moment with everyone fit who would be your best 6 and in what positions?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 16, 2019, 12:52:59 PM
Is Mickey harte still living in ballygawley?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on January 16, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 16, 2019, 12:52:59 PM
Is Mickey harte still living in ballygawley?

No Glencull but yes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 16, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: tiempo on January 16, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 16, 2019, 12:52:59 PM
Is Mickey harte still living in ballygawley?
Heard he may be moving?
No Glencull but yes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 17, 2019, 10:25:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 16, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: tiempo on January 16, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 16, 2019, 12:52:59 PM
Is Mickey harte still living in ballygawley?
Heard he may be moving?
No Glencull but yes.

Naah, you are not obsessed!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on January 17, 2019, 10:35:59 AM
Head similar rumours STG
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on January 17, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
Heard rumours of this before Christmas
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 18, 2019, 09:48:23 AM
Moving in to Garvaghey?

Wise up lads who cares where he lives
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 18, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
Tyrone (McKenna Cup final v Armagh):
Niall Morgan
Ciaran McLaughlin
Ronan McNamee
Liam Rafferty
Tiernan McCann
Aidan McCrory
Michael Cassidy
Conan Grugan
Declan McClure
Niall Sludden
Ronan O'Neill
Conal McCann
Darren McCurry
Peter Harte
Cathal McShane

Really thought Coney had done  enough to get the nod......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 18, 2019, 02:40:25 PM
Room for Aiden
Mc crory but not Coney!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on January 18, 2019, 02:59:57 PM
I assume he is trying out different players in different positions, wouldn't read too much in to it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on January 18, 2019, 03:04:28 PM
Could be Ronan's last game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 18, 2019, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 18, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
Tyrone (McKenna Cup final v Armagh):
Niall Morgan
Ciaran McLaughlin
Ronan McNamee
Liam Rafferty
Tiernan McCann
Aidan McCrory
Michael Cassidy
Conan Grugan
Declan McClure
Niall Sludden
Ronan O'Neill
Conal McCann
Darren McCurry
Peter Harte
Cathal McShane

Really thought Coney had done  enough to get the nod......

Near certain he looked to be limping in final stages of the game v Derry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on January 18, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
Any ideas on who will be in the number 16 jersey? Left blank in the team sheet, Benny Gallen on Sigerson duties with UU
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 18, 2019, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 18, 2019, 02:40:25 PM
Room for Aiden
Mc crory but not Coney!

Coney wouldn't be great at CHB....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 18, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 18, 2019, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 18, 2019, 02:40:25 PM
Room for Aiden
Mc crory but not Coney!

Coney wouldn't be great at CHB....
neither would mccrory
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 18, 2019, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: deadman on January 18, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
Any ideas on who will be in the number 16 jersey? Left blank in the team sheet, Benny Gallen on Sigerson duties with UU
Peter Donnelly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on January 18, 2019, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 18, 2019, 09:48:23 AM
Moving in to Garvaghey?

Wise up lads who cares where he lives

What's this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on January 20, 2019, 01:15:06 AM
Another one for mickey, successful season then?  ;)  Armagh starting the handbags, usual old shit. Though Tiarnan McCann and Sludden were class, don't think McCann gets enough credit, although for Conall his days may be numbered, as so for his mate Salt Bae O'Neill. You have to wonder if McCrory was from somewhere else, and did McCurry deserve man of the match?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 20, 2019, 12:25:02 PM
Yeah, you'd have to imagine that Conal and Ronan O'Neill's places on the panel are under major threat. Especially the latter. He's played in all McKenna cup games and from memory I can think of one score from play.

Sludden and Tiarnan were very impressive last night although McCurry's free taking was very assured and they really were the winning of the game.

Good to see him and Petey in good form regarding free kicks. Still a bit dodgy from frees on the left side. Happy to see Morgan hitting that tricky one last night. Imo, he should be hitting all 50/50 frees from between 35-45 metres on the left side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on January 20, 2019, 02:01:26 PM
Is Mickey making a cut then this week for the league? Just throwing out a list of potential candidates for the chop:
Matthew Murnaghan
Liam Rafferty
Aidy McCrory
Ben McDonnell
Ryan Gray
Ruairi Sludden
Ciaran McLaughlin
Darragh Canavan
Ronan O'Neill
Michael Cassidy
Conall McCann

I'd imagine from the newcomers/returnees this year - Kennedy, Grugan, Gallen, Coney and McCurry will all keep their place.

From the above list - Murnaghan and Gray will be gone more than likely (still under 20s), Sludden maybe too, O'Neill as well, hard to know about the Errigal lads - personally I would keep Canavan and get rid of McDonnell & McCrory.
Rafferty has done enough to stay, not convinced by McLaughlin as county level, Conall McCann & Cassidy will stay too I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 20, 2019, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 20, 2019, 02:01:26 PM
Is Mickey making a cut then this week for the league? Just throwing out a list of potential candidates for the chop:
Matthew Murnaghan
Liam Rafferty
Aidy McCrory
Ben McDonnell
Ryan Gray
Ruairi Sludden
Ciaran McLaughlin
Darragh Canavan
Ronan O'Neill
Michael Cassidy
Conall McCann

I'd imagine from the newcomers/returnees this year - Kennedy, Grugan, Gallen, Coney and McCurry will all keep their place.

From the above list - Murnaghan and Gray will be gone more than likely (still under 20s), Sludden maybe too, O'Neill as well, hard to know about the Errigal lads - personally I would keep Canavan and get rid of McDonnell & McCrory.
Rafferty has done enough to stay, not convinced by McLaughlin as county level, Conall McCann & Cassidy will stay too I think.

I don't think either Mc Donnell or Mc Laughlin will be cut, Both have the raw materials to be good county footballers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 20, 2019, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 20, 2019, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 20, 2019, 02:01:26 PM
Is Mickey making a cut then this week for the league? Just throwing out a list of potential candidates for the chop:
Matthew Murnaghan
Liam Rafferty
Aidy McCrory
Ben McDonnell
Ryan Gray
Ruairi Sludden
Ciaran McLaughlin
Darragh Canavan
Ronan O'Neill
Michael Cassidy
Conall McCann

I'd imagine from the newcomers/returnees this year - Kennedy, Grugan, Gallen, Coney and McCurry will all keep their place.

From the above list - Murnaghan and Gray will be gone more than likely (still under 20s), Sludden maybe too, O'Neill as well, hard to know about the Errigal lads - personally I would keep Canavan and get rid of McDonnell & McCrory.
Rafferty has done enough to stay, not convinced by McLaughlin as county level, Conall McCann & Cassidy will stay too I think.

I don't think either Mc Donnell or Mc Laughlin will be cut, Both have the raw materials to be good county footballers.
Ronan McHugh and Brendan Burns prime candidate to be let go with both having long term injuries.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on January 20, 2019, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on January 20, 2019, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: In hiding on January 20, 2019, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 20, 2019, 02:01:26 PM
Is Mickey making a cut then this week for the league? Just throwing out a list of potential candidates for the chop:
Matthew Murnaghan
Liam Rafferty
Aidy McCrory
Ben McDonnell
Ryan Gray
Ruairi Sludden
Ciaran McLaughlin
Darragh Canavan
Ronan O'Neill
Michael Cassidy
Conall McCann

I'd imagine from the newcomers/returnees this year - Kennedy, Grugan, Gallen, Coney and McCurry will all keep their place.

From the above list - Murnaghan and Gray will be gone more than likely (still under 20s), Sludden maybe too, O'Neill as well, hard to know about the Errigal lads - personally I would keep Canavan and get rid of McDonnell & McCrory.
Rafferty has done enough to stay, not convinced by McLaughlin as county level, Conall McCann & Cassidy will stay too I think.

I don't think either Mc Donnell or Mc Laughlin will be cut, Both have the raw materials to be good county footballers.
Ronan McHugh and Brendan Burns prime candidate to be let go with both having long term injuries.
A few men will be disappointed anyway. I would think the under 20s should drop down but I think Harte would like to keep Canavan, Gray doesn't have 20s to fall back on. Throughout I thought Rafferty, Cassidy and Sludden tried hard, Co Grugan is another man that impressed me, better than McClure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 21, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Why would Rafferty get the chop? Personally thought he was one of the better performers over the course of Mc Kenna cup
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 21, 2019, 07:54:38 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 20, 2019, 02:01:26 PM
Is Mickey making a cut then this week for the league? Just throwing out a list of potential candidates for the chop:
Matthew Murnaghan
Liam Rafferty
Aidy McCrory
Ben McDonnell
Ryan Gray
Ruairi Sludden
Ciaran McLaughlin
Darragh Canavan
Ronan O'Neill
Michael Cassidy
Conall McCann

I'd imagine from the newcomers/returnees this year - Kennedy, Grugan, Gallen, Coney and McCurry will all keep their place.

From the above list - Murnaghan and Gray will be gone more than likely (still under 20s), Sludden maybe too, O'Neill as well, hard to know about the Errigal lads - personally I would keep Canavan and get rid of McDonnell & McCrory.
Rafferty has done enough to stay, not convinced by McLaughlin as county level, Conall McCann & Cassidy will stay too I think.
Sorry misread this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on January 24, 2019, 08:14:00 AM
Any word of the final league panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
Gone from last year are Bradley, McNulty and M O'Neill. You'd imagine McHugh and B Burns will go too.  Has anyone else left? That's 5 gone with around 9 called in.
I assume McCarron, McNabb, and  Loughran are all still injured and will be kept on?   

Out of the players called in I'd have thought Gallen, Rafferty, Coney, McCurry and Kennedy are certs to stay after their performances in the McKenna Cup. Grugan (who was quiet enough in the games that I saw) and Canavan will probably get kept on too. Murnaghan and Gray may miss out but injuries restricted appearances.

I'd have guessed before the McKenna Cup that McDonnell was a cert to go. But to be fair to him he did fairly well in the games that I saw.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on January 24, 2019, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
Gone from last year are Bradley, McNulty and M O'Neill. You'd imagine McHugh and B Burns will go too.  Has anyone else left? That's 5 gone with around 9 called in.
I assume McCarron, McNabb, and  Loughran are all still injured and will be kept on?   

Out of the players called in I'd have thought Gallen, Rafferty, Coney, McCurry and Kennedy are certs to stay after their performances in the McKenna Cup. Grugan (who was quiet enough in the games that I saw) and Canavan will probably get kept on too. Murnaghan and Gray may miss out but injuries restricted appearances.

I'd have guessed before the McKenna Cup that McDonnell was a cert to go. But to be fair to him he did fairly well in the games that I saw.
Mcdonnell and McCrory both should be dropped. It's well noted that they may only be on the panel given where they are from.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2019, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on January 24, 2019, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
Gone from last year are Bradley, McNulty and M O'Neill. You'd imagine McHugh and B Burns will go too.  Has anyone else left? That's 5 gone with around 9 called in.
I assume McCarron, McNabb, and  Loughran are all still injured and will be kept on?   

Out of the players called in I'd have thought Gallen, Rafferty, Coney, McCurry and Kennedy are certs to stay after their performances in the McKenna Cup. Grugan (who was quiet enough in the games that I saw) and Canavan will probably get kept on too. Murnaghan and Gray may miss out but injuries restricted appearances.

I'd have guessed before the McKenna Cup that McDonnell was a cert to go. But to be fair to him he did fairly well in the games that I saw.
Mcdonnell and McCrory both should be dropped. It's well noted that they may only be on the panel given where they are from.

Did you see McDonnell in the McKenna Cup? I thought he did fairly well at half back. I'm not sure if I'd have McRory on the panel but he's not as bad as some people on here make out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on January 24, 2019, 12:18:24 PM
I would be far from McCrory's biggest fan, and I've often put the loyalty thing with Harte down as to how he's still hanging around that panel, but despite my preconceptions I was actually surprised at how decent he got on in the McKenna Cup. For a supposed marking defender, he's always had an uncanny knack for popping up in a good position at the end of a move, although most of the time annoyingly so as you'd much rather have a more accomplished player on the ball in those situations.
Get the feeling Harte was just trotting him out for some obligatory game time as he doesn't intend to use him for National League or Championship all that much.
McDonnell didn't look out of place at wing half back but we're over-subscribed in that department to be honest, so he'd really have to impress in whatever scant opportunities he might get in the league to keep himself in the conversation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on January 24, 2019, 01:23:42 PM
Ruairi Sludden and Ryan Gray are the first to go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on January 24, 2019, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on January 24, 2019, 01:23:42 PM
Ruairi Sludden and Ryan Gray are the first to go.

Where can you see this, is it confirmed??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 24, 2019, 03:46:01 PM
Thought Sludden was good in the Derry semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on January 24, 2019, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2019, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on January 24, 2019, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
Gone from last year are Bradley, McNulty and M O'Neill. You'd imagine McHugh and B Burns will go too.  Has anyone else left? That's 5 gone with around 9 called in.
I assume McCarron, McNabb, and  Loughran are all still injured and will be kept on?   

Out of the players called in I'd have thought Gallen, Rafferty, Coney, McCurry and Kennedy are certs to stay after their performances in the McKenna Cup. Grugan (who was quiet enough in the games that I saw) and Canavan will probably get kept on too. Murnaghan and Gray may miss out but injuries restricted appearances.

I'd have guessed before the McKenna Cup that McDonnell was a cert to go. But to be fair to him he did fairly well in the games that I saw.
Mcdonnell and McCrory both should be dropped. It's well noted that they may only be on the panel given where they are from.

Did you see McDonnell in the McKenna Cup? I thought he did fairly well at half back. I'm not sure if I'd have McRory on the panel but he's not as bad as some people on here make out.

You're right he isn't as bad as some posters think..... he's worse!

If he played for derrytresk or similar he wouldn't get a look in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on January 25, 2019, 04:13:34 AM
Kerry Line up:

1 Niall Morgan
2 Liam Rafferty
3 Ronan McNamee
4 Hugh Pat McGeary
5 Tiernan McCann
6 Rory Brennan
7 Michael McKernan
8 Brian Kennedy
9 Declan McClure
10 Matthew Donnelly
11 Peter Harte
12 Niall Sludden
13 Darren McCurry
14 David Mulgrew
15 Cathal McShane

16 Benny Gallen
17 Lee Brennan
18 Darragh Canavan
19 Kyle Coney
20 Conan Grugan
21 Connall McCann
22 Aidan McCrory
23 Ben McDonnell
24 Kieran McGeary
25 Ciaran McLaughlin
26 Conor Meyler

Heard Yesterday from a few boys in work that Grey and Sludden left Tyrone groupchat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on January 25, 2019, 07:36:46 AM
Ronan O'Neill?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 25, 2019, 08:08:15 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on January 25, 2019, 07:36:46 AM
Ronan O'Neill?

The bench looks to be named alphabetically (and not necessarily restricted to 26) so O'Neill could still be on it.

Happy enough with that team. I though Rafferty, McClure and Kennedy did enough in the McKenna Cup to earn themselves a go in the league. Mulgrew hasn't had much game time at county level over the last 12 months so will be interesting to see how he gets on. Coney will feel unlucky not to get a go. Could have started him ahead of McShane. But the thing with McShane is he gets through a lot of work and wins a lot of ball. Some people cant see past the 2 or 3 real poor decisions he makes in a game but he is an effective player. Would be better if he could improve his decision making though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 25, 2019, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 24, 2019, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2019, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on January 24, 2019, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
Gone from last year are Bradley, McNulty and M O'Neill. You'd imagine McHugh and B Burns will go too.  Has anyone else left? That's 5 gone with around 9 called in.
I assume McCarron, McNabb, and  Loughran are all still injured and will be kept on?   

Out of the players called in I'd have thought Gallen, Rafferty, Coney, McCurry and Kennedy are certs to stay after their performances in the McKenna Cup. Grugan (who was quiet enough in the games that I saw) and Canavan will probably get kept on too. Murnaghan and Gray may miss out but injuries restricted appearances.

I'd have guessed before the McKenna Cup that McDonnell was a cert to go. But to be fair to him he did fairly well in the games that I saw.
Mcdonnell and McCrory both should be dropped. It's well noted that they may only be on the panel given where they are from.

Did you see McDonnell in the McKenna Cup? I thought he did fairly well at half back. I'm not sure if I'd have McRory on the panel but he's not as bad as some people on here make out.

You're right he isn't as bad as some posters think..... he's worse!

If he played for derrytresk or similar he wouldn't get a look in

McRory has did decent jobs man marking jobs on some decent (but not top) county forwards including for example Mark Poland and Grugan from Armagh. He has a terrific engine on him. I'd have no doubt if you dropped him down to division two or three he would keep most forwards quiet. His obvious problem is that he isn't overly comfortable on the ball and for me isn't aggressive enough in the tackle but he gets an overly hard time from some people.

I'm not his biggest fan either but some of the stuff said is way over the top. The fact people try to turn it into an anti Errigal things makes me question their motives for the criticism in the first place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on January 25, 2019, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 25, 2019, 08:08:15 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on January 25, 2019, 07:36:46 AM
Ronan O'Neill?

The bench looks to be named alphabetically (and not necessarily restricted to 26) so O'Neill could still be on it.

Happy enough with that team. I though Rafferty, McClure and Kennedy did enough in the McKenna Cup to earn themselves a go in the league. Mulgrew hasn't had much game time at county level over the last 12 months so will be interesting to see how he gets on. Coney will feel unlucky not to get a go. Could have started him ahead of McShane. But the thing with McShane is he gets through a lot of work and wins a lot of ball. Some people cant see past the 2 or 3 real poor decisions he makes in a game but he is an effective player. Would be better if he could improve his decision making though.

No its not. He picks the 26 and puts the subs of that in alphabetical order. Cassidy for example hasn't made the 26.
O'Neill hasn't made the 26.
Anyone not named there can't be used on Sunday.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 25, 2019, 08:53:57 AM
Are Hampsey and Burns injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 25, 2019, 10:24:30 AM
Best chance for Tyrone to beat Kerry away for years. Very strong looking panel this year if we can get our forward play worked on. Tyrone are 11/10 with pp so get on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 25, 2019, 11:01:49 AM
That's amazing odds for a team travelling to Killarney.
Considering the competitive squad we have I'm surprised by a few of those subs.

Mickey has never been shy to pick Errigal men over other players over the years as we know even going back in 2003 but I'd say Peter would rather Mickey wasn't so keen to play Darragh so soon but I think Mickey knows it will raise the interest in Tyrone this year and is good for Mickey and Errigal.

Would have thought Meyler at wing back and Kernan in the corner. Was out on the pitch after the game last Sat and so many of the players are now huge and so bulked up. Even McCurry is strong looking now and I have a feeling Mulgrew could be in for a great year. Where does he play for Ardboe?
A friend compared Kennedy to Anthony Tohill but so I'm looking forward to seeing him this Sunday as I've not seen him yet.

I see in the Irish News where Mickey says he finds it hard to pick 26 and to leave lads out who have been working their a$$ off in training. He says why not just allow your whole squad at least tog out and not feel like they've no chance of playing on the day.

Are many of ye coming down on Sat night for the Q&A night in the Killarney court with Canavan and Moynihan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 25, 2019, 12:17:13 PM
Tyrone consistently release their team on Sunday evenings. Do all counties do this? Noseying around looking for other Ulster starting 15s, I can't really see any.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on January 25, 2019, 12:52:53 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 24, 2019, 03:46:01 PM
Thought Sludden was good in the Derry semi final.

Hearing he wasn't dropped for field performances but for a lack of discipline off the field
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 25, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 25, 2019, 08:53:57 AM
Are Hampsey and Burns injured?

Hampsey on the way back from injury,

Don't think Burns played last time out for UUJ in the Sig, so guessing he's not 100% either
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 25, 2019, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on January 25, 2019, 12:52:53 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 24, 2019, 03:46:01 PM
Thought Sludden was good in the Derry semi final.

Hearing he wasn't dropped for field performances but for a lack of discipline off the field

Long predicted as to why he wouldn't push on. Shame.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 25, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
What age is Burns?

Do people think we will be as open as we were in the McKenna cup?
I see Mickey said he's happy enough for Morgan to come out the field as much as he once as long as its sensible.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2019/01/25/news/tyrone-boss-mickey-harte-gives-niall-morgan-the-green-light-to-advance-1535691/

Is McKernan the new Rory B after his great year last year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 25, 2019, 03:01:35 PM
Burns (as well as Meyler etc) must be around the 24/25 mark now considering they won the u21 AI in 2015.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on January 25, 2019, 03:59:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
What age is Burns?

Do people think we will be as open as we were in the McKenna cup?
I see Mickey said he's happy enough for Morgan to come out the field as much as he once as long as its sensible.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2019/01/25/news/tyrone-boss-mickey-harte-gives-niall-morgan-the-green-light-to-advance-1535691/

Is McKernan the new Rory B after his great year last year?

How ridiculous is the idea of Morgan playing outfield? (Stay with me...)
Someone said it me recently and I dismissed the notion entirely, but is there a school of thought that he could be inter-county standard as an outfielder? Thoroughly impressive for Edendork last year in a number of positions across the field, I don't think his athleticism and skill would be lacking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on January 25, 2019, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 25, 2019, 03:01:35 PM
Burns (as well as Meyler etc) must be around the 24/25 mark now considering they won the u21 AI in 2015.

Frank is 24.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 25, 2019, 04:24:20 PM
Yes there is a lot of talk around that alright but I think he's doing just fine in goals.
Yes every so often there is a mess where his short kick out goes wrong but more often that not it's because the defender is not alert to his man cutting in, in front of him.

I think as he matures he is becoming more composed and not getting so involved with other players or their fans.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
Are tg4 showing the match tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 26, 2019, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
Are tg4 showing the match tomorrow?

No it's not.

Canavan pulling no punches re Tyrone approach to development of coaching in Independent today
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 26, 2019, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
Are tg4 showing the match tomorrow?

No it's not.

Canavan pulling no punches re Tyrone approach to development of coaching in Independent today

Any station showing it do you know?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 26, 2019, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 26, 2019, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
Are tg4 showing the match tomorrow?

No it's not.

Canavan pulling no punches re Tyrone approach to development of coaching in Independent today

Not on tv at all. Wireless job

Any station showing it do you know?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on January 26, 2019, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 26, 2019, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
Are tg4 showing the match tomorrow?

No it's not.

Canavan pulling no punches re Tyrone approach to development of coaching in Independent today

Can you post the article
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sekibanki on January 26, 2019, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: deadman on January 25, 2019, 03:59:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
What age is Burns?

Do people think we will be as open as we were in the McKenna cup?
I see Mickey said he's happy enough for Morgan to come out the field as much as he once as long as its sensible.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2019/01/25/news/tyrone-boss-mickey-harte-gives-niall-morgan-the-green-light-to-advance-1535691/

Is McKernan the new Rory B after his great year last year?

How ridiculous is the idea of Morgan playing outfield? (Stay with me...)
Someone said it me recently and I dismissed the notion entirely, but is there a school of thought that he could be inter-county standard as an outfielder? Thoroughly impressive for Edendork last year in a number of positions across the field, I don't think his athleticism and skill would be lacking.
It's not it ridiculous but difficult to see where it would fit in. In modern Gaelic football, the keeper plays a similar role to the quarterback of American football. This would be an ideal role for a full-blown, but the full-back is currently occupied taking up the role of a second sweeper, so...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 26, 2019, 07:02:20 PM
Quote from: PMG1 on January 26, 2019, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 26, 2019, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
Are tg4 showing the match tomorrow?

No it's not.

Canavan pulling no punches re Tyrone approach to development of coaching in Independent today



Can you post the article

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/peter-canavan-counties-like-tyrone-must-adapt-off-the-field-if-they-have-any-hope-of-catching-the-dubs-on-it-37750829.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on January 27, 2019, 07:54:30 AM
Quote from: PMG1 on January 26, 2019, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 26, 2019, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on January 26, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
Are tg4 showing the match tomorrow?

No it's not.

Canavan pulling no punches re Tyrone approach to development of coaching in Independent today

Can you post the article

Careful now you dont want Ewan McKenna lambasting us on twitter again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the prodigy on January 27, 2019, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: sekibanki on January 26, 2019, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: deadman on January 25, 2019, 03:59:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
What age is Burns?

Do people think we will be as open as we were in the McKenna cup?
I see Mickey said he's happy enough for Morgan to come out the field as much as he once as long as its sensible.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2019/01/25/news/tyrone-boss-mickey-harte-gives-niall-morgan-the-green-light-to-advance-1535691/

Is McKernan the new Rory B after his great year last year?

How ridiculous is the idea of Morgan playing outfield? (Stay with me...)
Someone said it me recently and I dismissed the notion entirely, but is there a school of thought that he could be inter-county standard as an outfielder? Thoroughly impressive for Edendork last year in a number of positions across the field, I don't think his athleticism and skill would be lacking.
It's not it ridiculous but difficult to see where it would fit in. In modern Gaelic football, the keeper plays a similar role to the quarterback of American football. This would be an ideal role for a full-blown, but the full-back is currently occupied taking up the role of a second sweeper, so...

In what way do you think a keeper is like an American football quarter back?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 27, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Sekibanki your post makes no sense, well not to me anyways.
Regarding Tyrone I think we all just need to keep taking the tablets. It will be interesting to see how many teams score 7 points or less in a div 1 game this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 27, 2019, 09:02:51 PM
tyrone and Sligo joint lowest scorers across 4 divisions today with 7 points each.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: jb81 on January 28, 2019, 09:05:20 AM
Was an awful game in Killarney yesterday. Wet and slippy conditions didn't help both teams. But Tyrone were awful in the first half.
Kerry defended well to be fair but there seemed to no 'plan' from Tyrone. There was no ball going into the forward line in the first half at all. Ponderous side to side play, which I had hoped we would have moved on from a bit last year.

Tyrone really only looked threatening when Coney came on and started looking for balls into Harte and Mc'Curry which worked for a while but Kerry took back control and kept the scoreboard ticking over and done plenty enough to see a poor Tyrone out the gate.
Was hoping to see Lee Brennan come on, but he warmed up for a long time but no sign of him.
Tyrone kept working the ball up the middle and running into trouble in a very tight area with loads of bodies inside the Kerry 45, and were either turned over or tried passes or shots that were not really the right decision. We ended up in some good positions with Mc'Namee and Mc'Kernan rather than our shooters like Mc'Curry and missed opportunities.

Harte, McCurry, Donnelly, McCann kept plugging away but a lot of mistakes and wrong choices. Defence done ok, not too sure on Mc'Geary though, thought he was beat a good few times too easily. Most of Kerry points were from them breaking through the midfield too easy and either getting a free or a good long range effort. Sludden was poor, as was Mulgrew ( although didnt get much ball in to him ), McShane didn't get into the game at all.

Was looking forward to seeing us play with two good big midfielders ( something we haven't really had for a while ) but they didn't get going at all and were well beat around the middle. Morgan's kickouts I thought were poor. And can someone please tell me why he is still coming up the field to hit frees when for the last 5 years he has proven that he only ends up hitting about 50% of all frees ( would this be fair ). I really don't think he is reliable enough and think it is time to move on from this particular tactic.

Overall an awful performance in the first half from Tyrone gave Kerry the cushion to see out the second half in poor conditions. Playing catch up in the league already.

Shout out to Sean O'Se who was brilliant for Kerry, with a sublime sideline kick near the end, as well as some goof performances from Dara Moynihan and a few of their defenders. They looked good for their first outing of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 28, 2019, 10:39:56 AM
Yesterday was prob a mirror image of last year's opening round loss to Galway, also by 4 points after a brutal display. Still time to get their shit sorted but would be worried our offensive game plan isn't developing quickly enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on January 28, 2019, 10:43:21 AM
Looks like Monaghan had their work done with regards the offensive mark.  Maybe conditions prevented too many of these in killarney yday? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 28, 2019, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2019, 10:39:56 AM
Yesterday was prob a mirror image of last year's opening round loss to Galway, also by 4 points after a brutal display. Still time to get their shit sorted but would be worried our offensive game plan isn't developing quickly enough.

I would be confident in asserting that you saw neither of these games, rendering your post irrelevant. No change there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on January 28, 2019, 11:14:29 AM
Kerry's defense was brilliant yesterday. From the start their tackling was more intense, they were forcing turnovers, no Tyrone player was getting time on the ball and the space to open up a shot simply wasn't there.
Clear to see they'd done the homework on Tyrone, time and again they shut off the pathways through the middle that Tiernan McCann and Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly tend to attack through. Tyrone were just abjectly playing possession with lateral hand-passes around midfield, all very ponderous. They simply couldn't get a way through the Kerry defense to get a meaningful shot off.
That being said I thought the Tyrone defense was relatively good at the other end. Kerry obviously had a bit more joy from open play, and O'Shea was excellent on the frees, but Tyrone were still shutting down a lot of attacks in a first half that didn't inspire. Ronan McNamee was our only real stand-out performer, thought we was excellent throughout the game.

Obviously weather conditions played a massive part but some of the handling errors and loose fist-passes were horrendous. Any attempt to get into the scoring zone with incisive passing didn't work, either the kick wasn't accurate enough or the forward spilled the ball. It was only when Kyle Coney came on at half time that we started to get good accurate ball in, he found Darren McCurry (who was completely anonymous in the first half) with his first three kick passes. Niall Sludden and Cathal McShane failed to get into the game, while David Mulgrew was way off the pace. Thought Lee Brennan should have come in there at some stage, but to my surprise Harte threw in young Canavan, who frankly is not at the physical standard yet.

Midfield was a curious one. McClure looked a bit sluggish but improved a bit in the second half. Kennedy drove through the middle a few times but no end-product, early days for him yet though. Mattie Donnelly seemed to be picking up the bulk of the work around the centre.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 28, 2019, 11:16:40 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 28, 2019, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2019, 10:39:56 AM
Yesterday was prob a mirror image of last year's opening round loss to Galway, also by 4 points after a brutal display. Still time to get their shit sorted but would be worried our offensive game plan isn't developing quickly enough.

I would be confident in asserting that you saw neither of these games, rendering your post irrelevant. No change there.
just read match report in newspaper which basically said Tyrone were shit. But maybe someone who was at the game can tell different?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 28, 2019, 01:23:52 PM
Was disappointed when I heard the result. Thought Tyrone would have gave it more of a rattle. Early doors I know, but they looked good in McKenna Cup and with Kerry under new management thought they would've laid down an early marker.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 28, 2019, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2019, 01:23:52 PM
they looked good in McKenna Cup.

Generous enough there trailer...

They looked good in patches and poor in others.

Mostly they were just ok.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on January 28, 2019, 01:48:19 PM
Terrible performance to match the terrible conditions.

Kerry just seemed better prepared and up for it which surprised me.

Our defence did well overall I thought and held Kerry for the most part. The OSe point from the sideline was worth the admission fee alone.

McNamee, Donnelly, Coney when he came on best on the day.

Canavan is just to light to be thrown into these games and would question MH for putting him in when we have others on the bench. What was wrong with LB?

Now under pressure to start getting points on the board in next 2 games
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 28, 2019, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2019, 01:23:52 PM
Was disappointed when I heard the result. Thought Tyrone would have gave it more of a rattle. Early doors I know, but they looked good in McKenna Cup and with Kerry under new management thought they would've laid down an early marker.

A new manager seems to help things alright
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on January 28, 2019, 05:30:32 PM
Made the long journey to Killarney and the even longer journey home , Kyle the  only stand out player on the tyrone team when he was eventually brought on

Will MH start him against Mayo or is Kyle destined to be an mpact sub this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 28, 2019, 11:00:58 PM
who was captain on sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Therealdonald on January 28, 2019, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 28, 2019, 11:00:58 PM
who was captain on sunday?

Matthew Donnelly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on January 29, 2019, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?

Yes there was a marked difference in Kerry's hunger compared to ours, but they hardly blew us out of the water. Our defence coped with them fairly well for the majority of the game, and in essence it was a poor match in terms of standard of play. Kerry supporters were bemoaning much their own play, but such self-scrutiny from the Kingdom crowd is to be expected.
Seven points, two from play, is a really poor tally for 70+ minutes at this level. We never looked like getting so much as a sniff of goal, there has to be a real moulding process of the attacking department throughout the league campaign because we looked fresh out of ideas going forward on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 11:05:10 AM
It was first 'real' game of the season - I wouldn't be getting too worried about a loss in Kerry, it can happen any team this time of year, with the new rules etc....Look at Dublin and then the weather was crap at weekend too all over ireland. The Mayo / Roscommon game was a shocker for example.

Maybe if Tyrone don't get the win on Sunday v Mayo you can start to be critical because they'll be in Championship mode to survive D1 straight away but it's all very early.

The low scores is a worry, but again, reserve judgement until after this weekend. That will be two games against teams I'd consider on the same level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on January 29, 2019, 11:53:13 AM
in other news, the hurlers got off to a good start! if anyone cares..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 29, 2019, 12:32:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?

Hold on. We need a bogey man and Morgan has fulfilled this role excellently in the past. There is no need to overlook him this time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 29, 2019, 12:44:10 PM
I prefer Mickey harte as bogeyman, really looks the part too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on January 29, 2019, 01:51:30 PM
was just wondering when I seen Ronan McNamee wheeled out yesterday morning for the media engagements, does he work or what's the story? Is he one of our 'full time athletes' or does he farm or do something flexible like that where he can get away? Wouldn't be too many jobs you could be away all weekend and then not work monday morning either.

I know he was playing for UUJ a season or two ago and even at that stage he would have been an old enough student, he must be 27/28 at this stage. Anyone any idea what he does?

Interesting interview in Irish News last week with Caroline O'Hanlon the Armagh ladies player and international netballer. She's a doctor and works 3 days a week allowing her to keep up her sport commitments. We're bound to have a few like that as well. they couldn't all be students!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?

Thought I blamed defeat on the lack of continuity of the sigerson season and the lack of basic skills execution etc.

But highlighted Morgan, because it is a number of times against top opposition that he has made the same error over and over again and would prefer him to concentrate on the basics like all the best keepers - not soloing out round the 45 or taking frees
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 02:45:33 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?

Thought I blamed defeat on the lack of continuity of the sigerson season and the lack of basic skills execution etc.

But highlighted Morgan, because it is a number of times against top opposition that he has made the same error over and over again and would prefer him to concentrate on the basics like all the best keepers - not soloing out round the 45 or taking frees

You can blame the man for the solo'ing out, if that's not for you, that's fine - it's your opinion but sooner or later a GAA team will essentially adopt a 'last man back' approach (provided the inside mark does not come in fully). I like a goalkeeper coming out, creating overlaps and moving the play on if he's both physically and mentally able. Morgan is an outfield player at club level, indeed was extremely impressive in the Club Championship. Why not? If it gives Tyrone something over an opposition team in the summer why not continue the experiment.

The free kick thing, blame Mickey Harte. It's not like Morgan calls the shots. Why can Tyrone not produce forward/midfielder/defender able to hit a 45? I'm not keen on him taking 45s myself but sure what can he do, it's the manager sends him up to take them. Can one of the outfield players not take it upon themselves to work a quick 45 or even have a go at it themselves? Hardly worth blaming a man who's being sent up to fail by the manager for missing kicks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on January 29, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?

well that's just a factually incorrect statement isn't it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on January 29, 2019, 02:48:07 PM
Morgan is by far the best long dead ball kicker on the team, of course he should be hitting the 45's and frees from afar.  He has the distance always right, just lacks accuracy now and again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on January 29, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?

well that's just a factually incorrect statement isn't it?

We'll see how many teams win games over the next few weeks in all divisions in the NFL with a max score of 0-07 and come back to this. I'd say you'll get maybe 1.....2 at a push out of about 100 games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on January 29, 2019, 03:04:34 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on January 29, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?

well that's just a factually incorrect statement isn't it?

We'll see how many teams win games over the next few weeks in all divisions in the NFL with a max score of 0-07 and come back to this. I'd say you'll get maybe 1.....2 at a push out of about 100 games.

There may well be none that win a game with 0-07.  I'm just challenging the statement that you wont ever win a game with 0.07 - that is not correct is it?  You wont win many games with 0.07 would be accurate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on January 29, 2019, 03:13:16 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on January 29, 2019, 03:04:34 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on January 29, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 29, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2019, 08:54:29 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
Yeah we were at the game and were amazed he brought on DC rather than LB but someone beside me said maybe it was cos LB had been playing Sigerson recently. I would say it's just Mickey hoping Canavan can learn quickly.

Kerry were  very well organised and snuffed out all our attempts and going forward. We looked very lethargic and almost not interested in trying to work hard to break them down. They maybe underestimated how much Kerry would be up for it and they worked harder and more defensively than usual.

It seemed abit of a shit show in general, but our record in Killarney is woeful and with the sigerson and lack of continuity in the squad general, this should be ironed out after the sigerson and I would bet tyrone taking this Kerry team in Croker later on in the summer. But it is the simple execution of skills and concentration absent - the line balls going back, the kickout not being taken from the right spot - which has happened v Donegal, v Monaghan and Dublin now so Morgan needs to concentrate on being a Keeper first and stay behind the 21 as he is a liability at present with more reasonability.

It would seem slightly presumptuous to blame / name a goalkeeper for a loss in a game which your basically saying you didn't see, in a game that same goalkeeper did not concede any goals.

Tyrone were beat because they scored 7 pts. You won't ever win a game of Gaelic Football with a score of 0-7 pts. There is also the fact that Kerry are quite good at Gaelic Football under their new manager, at home, against a team they have had a modern dislike for. Maybe they just wanted it more than Tyrone?

well that's just a factually incorrect statement isn't it?

We'll see how many teams win games over the next few weeks in all divisions in the NFL with a max score of 0-07 and come back to this. I'd say you'll get maybe 1.....2 at a push out of about 100 games.

There may well be none that win a game with 0-07.  I'm just challenging the statement that you wont ever win a game with 0.07 - that is not correct is it?  You wont win many games with 0.07 would be accurate.

Busy day today lads ?  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on January 30, 2019, 09:43:34 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on January 29, 2019, 02:48:07 PM
Morgan is by far the best long dead ball kicker on the team, of course he should be hitting the 45's and frees from afar.  He has the distance always right, just lacks accuracy now and again.

No Gallen is
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on January 31, 2019, 10:31:35 PM
Dd and Canavan dropped from squad.

1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc

2  Michael McKernan Oileán a'Ghuail

3 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin

4 Hugh Pat McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

5 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair

6 Rory Brennan Trí Leac

7 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin

8 Brian Kennedy Doire Lochain

9 Declan McClure Cluain Eo

10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac

11 Niall Sludden An Droim Mhór

12 Kieran McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc

14 Cathal McShane E. R. Uí Néill

15 Lee Brennan Trí Leac

16 Benny Gallen  Achadh Uí Aráin

17 Frank Burns Cabhán a'Chaortainn

18  Kyle Coney Ard Bó

19 Conan Grugan An Ómaigh

20 Conal McCann Coill an Chlochair

21 Aidan McCrory  Aireagal Chiaráin

22  Ben McDonnell  Aireagal Chiaráin

23 Ciaran McLaughlin An Ómaigh

24  Conor Meyler An Ómaigh

25  Ronan O'Neill An Ómaigh

26 Liam Rafferty  An Gallbhaile
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 31, 2019, 10:40:06 PM
Strong team. Would like to see Coney and Grugan but hopefully see them early. Can only really see , hampsey, colly and maybe Meyler/mcaliskey coming into that side come championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: giveherlong on January 31, 2019, 11:11:50 PM
What about Omagh pitch, still snow lying on it?
Any other venues being considered such as Coalisland/Edendork?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 01, 2019, 08:36:13 AM
Wouldn't be much snow left at this stage. There's potentially more snow due around Sunday so that'll be something to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on February 01, 2019, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 31, 2019, 10:40:06 PM
Strong team. Would like to see Coney and Grugan but hopefully see them early. Can only really see , hampsey, colly and maybe Meyler/mcaliskey coming into that side come championship.

Burns would be vying for centre-back with R. Brennan as the year goes on. I'd put Mattie to midfield for McClure and get Coney into number 10.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 01, 2019, 09:42:48 AM
Quote from: Eastie on January 31, 2019, 10:31:35 PM
Dd and Canavan dropped from squad.

1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc

2  Michael McKernan Oileán a'Ghuail

3 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin

4 Hugh Pat McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

5 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair

6 Rory Brennan Trí Leac

7 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin

8 Brian Kennedy Doire Lochain

9 Declan McClure Cluain Eo

10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac

11 Niall Sludden An Droim Mhór

12 Kieran McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc

14 Cathal McShane E. R. Uí Néill

15 Lee Brennan Trí Leac

16 Benny Gallen  Achadh Uí Aráin

17 Frank Burns Cabhán a'Chaortainn

18  Kyle Coney Ard Bó

19 Conan Grugan An Ómaigh

20 Conal McCann Coill an Chlochair

21 Aidan McCrory  Aireagal Chiaráin

22  Ben McDonnell  Aireagal Chiaráin

23 Ciaran McLaughlin An Ómaigh

24  Conor Meyler An Ómaigh

25  Ronan O'Neill An Ómaigh

26 Liam Rafferty  An Gallbhaile

Canavan is away travelling at the minute and wont be back for few more weeks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 01, 2019, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: giveherlong on January 31, 2019, 11:11:50 PM
What about Omagh pitch, still snow lying on it?
Any other venues being considered such as Coalisland/Edendork?

They might go Coalisland if stuck, definitely not Edendork, no stand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 01, 2019, 11:14:35 AM
I'd be surprised if they used either for a division one league game especially with Mayo being well supported. I'd imagine if by any chance Omagh wasn't playable it would go to Armagh (who are playing in Newry on Sunday).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
that was pure muck. same slow, ponderous build up play. peter harte most selfish player I seen in a long time. mattie Donnelly same holding the ball and takin a few solos every time. we haven't worked on our attacking play one jot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2019, 05:12:31 PM
After the Kerry game I said it wasn't such a big deal. Anyone could lose a contest against a team on the similar level on day one of the league.

Today was a big deal, shocking, shocking performance. At no stage did this even look like a contest.

Too many of Tyrone's supposed 'stellar' players had no interest in playing in the rain.

Mayo taught Tyrone a lesson today and considering Roscommon just beat Monaghan too they'll be licking their lips for the next one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reddgnhand on February 03, 2019, 05:33:15 PM
Same error ridden rubbish.  Is Peter Harte undroppable. Tyrone cant kick pass full stop. What do they be doing in training. Need a new voice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on February 03, 2019, 06:21:48 PM
Harte hasn't adapted to the forward mark in that he still advocates the slow ponderous build up although to be fair to him there seems to be a real shortage of scoring forwards in the county at the minute. However to substitute McCurry with McCann is madness. I know McCurry missed a few today but there are better players in the county than McCann, in fact there are better forwards in St Mary's Killyclogher than him and I'm talking about the primary school! 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 03, 2019, 07:03:09 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on February 03, 2019, 06:21:48 PM
Harte hasn't adapted to the forward mark in that he still advocates the slow ponderous build up although to be fair to him there seems to be a real shortage of scoring forwards in the county at the minute. However to substitute McCurry with McCann is madness. I know McCurry missed a few today but there are better players in the county than McCann, in fact there are better forwards in St Mary's Killyclogher than him and I'm talking about the primary school!

Totally agree. If you are going to take a scoring forward off, at least replace him with somebody that might get a score themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 03, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
MH said himself in the interview after that game that it became a damage limitation job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on February 03, 2019, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on February 03, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
MH said himself in the interview after that game that it became a damage limitation job.

Harte hasn't adapted to the forward mark in that he still advocates the slow ponderous build up although to be fair to him there seems to be a real shortage of scoring forwards in the county at the minute. However to substitute McCurry with McCann is madness. I know McCurry missed a few today but there are better players in the county than McCann, in fact there are better defenders in St Mary's Killyclogher than him and I'm talking about the primary school!

Slight change then ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 03, 2019, 09:07:28 PM
It wasn't damage limitation when McCurry was taken off. It was 45mins and a small chance of catching them still existed. That was an unbelievable substitution. No harm to the lad but Conal isn't the man to up the intensity and bring a scoring threat to the game.

A worrying trend is we're two games in (I think I'm right here) and we haven't created one genuine goal chance. Can't even think of one half chance.

Our whole forward unit was totally and utterly impotent. No threat whatsoever. Our support play was dung, our basic skills were dung and our finishing was dung. Would love to see the stats on teams that drop the ball into the keepers arms. It seems to be like we've an awful habit of this. Maybe bias at play here but by f**k it happens so much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
the worst thing about the mc curry substitution was that it happened directly after he managed to get a score. surely should have give him another 5 or 10mins to see if it had helped his confidence. I said it after last years ai final that this is the worst coached tyrone attack that I have ever seen. look how slick mayos forward play was compared to us and they have a lot of new lads in but already look like they have been playing together for years. and don't be worrying about goals lads, we will score hatfulls of them against lower division teams in the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 03, 2019, 11:11:44 PM
In fairness with regards the mccurry sub, it was organised before the free. Are you able to cancel a sub like that at the last second?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 04, 2019, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 03, 2019, 11:11:44 PM
In fairness with regards the mccurry sub, it was organised before the free. Are you able to cancel a sub like that at the last second?
I dont really have an issue with him taking McCurry off, I thought he was very poor. The problem was we didnt bring a player on for him  that could get us scores when we were chasing the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 04, 2019, 10:41:14 AM
McCurry was very poor and rightly taken off. Wasn't many inside options on the bench yesterday- Ronan O'Neill just whom didn't get on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 04, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
I wouldn't panic yet. We lost out first three league games last year and still reached the All-Ireland final, and I still expect us to pick up enough points to stay up.

However what is worrying is that it seems to be the same old failings holding us back. Number one, yesterday for me showed that we don't have the man markers in defence to play an open style of football. The conditions yesterday were ideal for defenders and it was far from Mayo's first choice forward line yet our full-back line was beaten to the ball every time and they had runners slicing through our centre at will.

Number two, free kicks. This has been an issue for I don't know how many years now and it is getting no better. McCurry actually missed a couple of handy ones in the McKenna cup final too but this flew under the radar because he scored 4 or 5 even handier ones. There is simply no excuse for this and players need to take ownership, there's only so much management can do about something like that. Lee Brennan also kicked a couple short yesterday when everyone in the stand knew he wouldn't have the distance on a day like that. Surely management should be instructing us to take them quickly and work a short if we aren't capable of putting it over?

Three - there is a slightly worrying trend of lads stagnating or going backwards after a few years on the panel, and I'm talking about lads who actually get game time. Would anyone say that Declan McClure, Conall McCann, Rory Brennan, Ronan O'Neill are better players than they were 2 or 3 years ago? These are young lads who should be improving but for some it doesn't seem to be the case.

As I say, no point panicking yet but we don't have the look of a team ready to push on and really challenge the Dubs after reaching the final last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 11:30:49 AM
How can players improve if they are hamstrung by the system of play? No point blaming individual forwards when they clearly aren't coached right. Lads lose confidence. How come James Horan can put together a ramshackle forward line of young lads and a 35 Ur old and still be so slick? All down to coaching and practice on the training field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 04, 2019, 11:32:30 AM
Full range of questions, most of them have been lingering about for a year or 2 now, Getting to the All Ireland final last year glossed over a few burning issues in my mind anyway, Mayo not making the super 8's and avoiding Kerry in the group section left us is a a position we would have accepted to reach reach the All Ireland Final having to beat one none Ulster team on the way.... are we improving as a team??? are we getting the most out of the players we have available to us??? are we trying to adopt to the new rules??? Dont know on how many occasions yesterday our last line of defence was a forward!!! Mayo's second goal our last defender was Conall McCann we looked all over the place in was shocking.... we hand pass the ball in the defensive area of the field while the opposition filter back and black off most avenues of potential attacks....it is so slow and predictable it is bordering on absolute stupidity to persist with it.... is the management the problem?? is the players the problem??? or we not just good enough??? maybe a mixture of all 3....personally at this stage Mickey is not improving players individually and possibly we need a new voice/system/set-up just to freshen things up a little.... My fear is he stays on too long( we may be there already) he undoes all the good work and greatness he brought to us albeit it seems a longtime ago at this stage.... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2019, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on February 04, 2019, 10:41:14 AM
McCurry was very poor and rightly taken off. Wasn't many inside options on the bench yesterday- Ronan O'Neill just whom didn't get on

it doesn't say much for Ronan O'Neill's place on the squad when McCurry was replaced by Conal McCann.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2019, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 11:30:49 AM
How can players improve if they are hamstrung by the system of play? No point blaming individual forwards when they clearly aren't coached right. Lads lose confidence. How come James Horan can put together a ramshackle forward line of young lads and a 35 Ur old and still be so slick? All down to coaching and practice on the training field.

In fairness Andy Moran is a rolls royce of a Gaelic Footballer. He was unbelievable yesturday, 1 / 2 sec take and layoffs. So intelligent. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 04, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
Yesterday was as depressing a match as I've seen in a long, long while.

Tyrone had no bite, no energy, not much of a plan and at no stage did they look like they could turn the game around.

Much as I believe the Team will get better as the ground dries out and the fitness program gets them ready for May / June I still believe we are miles off Dublin - and that's really the only benchmark we should be looking at.

Bar MD and NM, the rest of he team were average at best.

Playing Harte at FF is a waste. He doesn't seem to know how to play there (can't blame him for that) and is much more effective driving from deep. It's a red herring discussing his size - Andy Moran is no bigger, but leads the line really well for Mayo.

One of the Championship MF spots will be occupied by Colm Cav. I don't see anyone else staking a claim yet - not Grugan, Kennedy or McClure, so we will prob end up with Mattie D back in there.

I disagree we don't have man markers - I think Hampsey and McKernan are both capable of doing a 1-on-1 job. I don't think we have enough of them though.

Frees - Jesus wept. McCurry is not the answer. He is a streaky player - given space and time he looks the real deal - when he's tightly marked he's gone from the game. Why Brenna was not hitting the 40m and in frees is a mystery.

Basic skills were missing yesterday - Mayo defence looked like world beaters, but so would anyone is you try to play long ball in to 1 player surrounded by 3 defenders. Worse still when you kick the ball straight to the Mayo defence.

Are the players better than the system or is Harte rigidly adopting a system designed to get the best out of them - that's the million dollar question.

Anyway - well done Mayo and here's to another relegation battle - as Enda McGinley (I think) pointed out on the radio yesterday - even the great noughties Tyrone team got relegated....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2019, 11:38:46 AM
there were times in the first half when big kennedy was on the edge of the square and i don't think one direct ball was played into him, all because either harte, donnelly and sludden took too much out of the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Delegater on February 04, 2019, 11:39:58 AM
If a inside forward is not able to kill a decent ball in then its the players fault.

There was ball kicked in to the FF line that should have been killed. Cant blame management for players having wing mirrors.

The defenders could learn from McKernan and be a bit nastier.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 04, 2019, 11:51:12 AM
A lot of players need to look in the mirror. If they think they can serve up that shite in Tyrone jersey they're badly mistaken. As poor a performance as I can remember. You can forgive a lack of ability, but when they down tools and stop trying they can f**k right off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2019, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 04, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
Anyway - well done Mayo and here's to another relegation battle - as Enda McGinley (I think) pointed out on the radio yesterday - even the great noughties Tyrone team got relegated....

The great Tyrone team didn't get relegated until 2010 when they were coming near the end.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2019, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 04, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
Yesterday was as depressing a match as I've seen in a long, long while.

Tyrone had no bite, no energy, not much of a plan and at no stage did they look like they could turn the game around.

Much as I believe the Team will get better as the ground dries out and the fitness program gets them ready for May / June I still believe we are miles off Dublin - and that's really the only benchmark we should be looking at.

Bar MD and NM, the rest of he team were average at best.

Playing Harte at FF is a waste. He doesn't seem to know how to play there (can't blame him for that) and is much more effective driving from deep. It's a red herring discussing his size - Andy Moran is no bigger, but leads the line really well for Mayo.

One of the Championship MF spots will be occupied by Colm Cav. I don't see anyone else staking a claim yet - not Grugan, Kennedy or McClure, so we will prob end up with Mattie D back in there.

I disagree we don't have man markers - I think Hampsey and McKernan are both capable of doing a 1-on-1 job. I don't think we have enough of them though.

Frees - Jesus wept. McCurry is not the answer. He is a streaky player - given space and time he looks the real deal - when he's tightly marked he's gone from the game. Why Brenna was not hitting the 40m and in frees is a mystery.

Basic skills were missing yesterday - Mayo defence looked like world beaters, but so would anyone is you try to play long ball in to 1 player surrounded by 3 defenders. Worse still when you kick the ball straight to the Mayo defence.

Are the players better than the system or is Harte rigidly adopting a system designed to get the best out of them - that's the million dollar question.

Anyway - well done Mayo and here's to another relegation battle - as Enda McGinley (I think) pointed out on the radio yesterday - even the great noughties Tyrone team got relegated....

Lee Brennan never touched leather the whole time he was on. At least McCurry got on to a few passes and made a few runs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 04, 2019, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2019, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 04, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
Yesterday was as depressing a match as I've seen in a long, long while.

Tyrone had no bite, no energy, not much of a plan and at no stage did they look like they could turn the game around.

Much as I believe the Team will get better as the ground dries out and the fitness program gets them ready for May / June I still believe we are miles off Dublin - and that's really the only benchmark we should be looking at.

Bar MD and NM, the rest of he team were average at best.

Playing Harte at FF is a waste. He doesn't seem to know how to play there (can't blame him for that) and is much more effective driving from deep. It's a red herring discussing his size - Andy Moran is no bigger, but leads the line really well for Mayo.

One of the Championship MF spots will be occupied by Colm Cav. I don't see anyone else staking a claim yet - not Grugan, Kennedy or McClure, so we will prob end up with Mattie D back in there.

I disagree we don't have man markers - I think Hampsey and McKernan are both capable of doing a 1-on-1 job. I don't think we have enough of them though.

Frees - Jesus wept. McCurry is not the answer. He is a streaky player - given space and time he looks the real deal - when he's tightly marked he's gone from the game. Why Brenna was not hitting the 40m and in frees is a mystery.

Basic skills were missing yesterday - Mayo defence looked like world beaters, but so would anyone is you try to play long ball in to 1 player surrounded by 3 defenders. Worse still when you kick the ball straight to the Mayo defence.

Are the players better than the system or is Harte rigidly adopting a system designed to get the best out of them - that's the million dollar question.

Anyway - well done Mayo and here's to another relegation battle - as Enda McGinley (I think) pointed out on the radio yesterday - even the great noughties Tyrone team got relegated....

Lee Brennan never touched leather the whole time he was on. At least McCurry got on to a few passes and made a few runs.

Lee scored two points from play... The first after he took a great mark. Apart from that, his problem yesterday was he was playing too far from goal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on February 04, 2019, 12:12:20 PM
Depressing stuff altogether yesterday.
I don't like to single out individual players for criticism as I wasn't up to much in my own playing days.I couldn't have kicked praties from a Sow.But I would be extremely worried with a lot of what I saw yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on February 04, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
listen its early days, and we've all saw Mayo scrape to stay in div1 in recent years and end up nearly winning the AI...however what was alarming yesterday was Tyrones ability after about 10mins to even make a real go of it and drive at mayo..we were waiting for a comeback that was never really gonna happen...  Roscommon has become a massive game now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2019, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 04, 2019, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2019, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 04, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
Yesterday was as depressing a match as I've seen in a long, long while.

Tyrone had no bite, no energy, not much of a plan and at no stage did they look like they could turn the game around.

Much as I believe the Team will get better as the ground dries out and the fitness program gets them ready for May / June I still believe we are miles off Dublin - and that's really the only benchmark we should be looking at.

Bar MD and NM, the rest of he team were average at best.

Playing Harte at FF is a waste. He doesn't seem to know how to play there (can't blame him for that) and is much more effective driving from deep. It's a red herring discussing his size - Andy Moran is no bigger, but leads the line really well for Mayo.

One of the Championship MF spots will be occupied by Colm Cav. I don't see anyone else staking a claim yet - not Grugan, Kennedy or McClure, so we will prob end up with Mattie D back in there.

I disagree we don't have man markers - I think Hampsey and McKernan are both capable of doing a 1-on-1 job. I don't think we have enough of them though.

Frees - Jesus wept. McCurry is not the answer. He is a streaky player - given space and time he looks the real deal - when he's tightly marked he's gone from the game. Why Brenna was not hitting the 40m and in frees is a mystery.

Basic skills were missing yesterday - Mayo defence looked like world beaters, but so would anyone is you try to play long ball in to 1 player surrounded by 3 defenders. Worse still when you kick the ball straight to the Mayo defence.

Are the players better than the system or is Harte rigidly adopting a system designed to get the best out of them - that's the million dollar question.

Anyway - well done Mayo and here's to another relegation battle - as Enda McGinley (I think) pointed out on the radio yesterday - even the great noughties Tyrone team got relegated....

Lee Brennan never touched leather the whole time he was on. At least McCurry got on to a few passes and made a few runs.

Lee scored two points from play... The first after he took a great mark. Apart from that, his problem yesterday was he was playing too far from goal

Yeah fair enough - look they are both inside forwards. The problem yesturday was the middle 8 was completely dominated. Did one Tyrone man win their battle there? I would be hard pressed to make a case for any of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 04, 2019, 12:53:19 PM
While it is very early days yet the signs are great for Tyrone. I believed last year we had an easy path to the final which glossed over the issues. We wont get anywhere near it this year if we meet any of the top 4 teams.

Still cant believe we are starting this year with the same issues as the last 5 years. No class forwards, no free taker etc.

On a separate note is this hartes last year in terms of contract?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 04, 2019, 01:22:53 PM
I'm fairly sure he has one year after this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on February 04, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
The free taking issue still very much at large, we are still searching for a consistent kicker after five or six seasons at this stage. Meanwhile there's Conor Cox scoring five frees on his Roscommon debut against Monaghan, including a few classy scores from the left wing off the outside of the right
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 04, 2019, 01:43:12 PM
Tyrone best forward yesterday was Niall Morgan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on February 04, 2019, 01:46:09 PM
I mean when club action starts will we not see plenty of free scoring forwards? I think its hard for a player like Lee Brennan who's expected to get back and help but be mainly attacking minded. For Trillick, get the ball to Lee and he'll score. Not for Tyrone, its far too slow in the middle of the field and lets teams swarm behind the ball, I think Harte much change the way we play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 02:12:20 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2019, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 04, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
Anyway - well done Mayo and here's to another relegation battle - as Enda McGinley (I think) pointed out on the radio yesterday - even the great noughties Tyrone team got relegated....

The great Tyrone team didn't get relegated until 2010 when they were coming near the end.
think it was 2011 when they got relegated. 2015 too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: Delegater on February 04, 2019, 10:49:32 AM
McCurry and Coney were not good enough 3/4 years ago. What makes anyone think they are going to be good enough now.

Hate to say it but Tyrone are not good enough and unless I am missing someone I think the best players in the county are in the squad.
mc curry had a great year in 2015 so he very much is good enough. his confidence has been slowly eroded since then because of our gameplan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2019, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 11:30:49 AM
How can players improve if they are hamstrung by the system of play? No point blaming individual forwards when they clearly aren't coached right. Lads lose confidence. How come James Horan can put together a ramshackle forward line of young lads and a 35 Ur old and still be so slick? All down to coaching and practice on the training field.

In fairness Andy Moran is a rolls royce of a Gaelic Footballer. He was unbelievable yesturday, 1 / 2 sec take and layoffs. So intelligent.
I wasn't having a go at moran for being 35, he is a marvellous footballer. its just mayo management know how to get the best out of him. he same age as sean Cavanagh and look how his last couple of years panned out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on February 04, 2019, 07:27:01 PM
Some one earlier asked the question "how long Harte has left?"

How long are the good people of Tyrone gonna stand back and let one man dictate to the rest of the county?

Harte has lost the run of himself and has stayed on far too long,Harte has been a great ambassador to the county but every dog has his day

We need to freshen things up starting with management
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 07:38:32 PM
Well the good people of Tyrone voted to give harte 3 years so we are stuck with him. I've a feeling he will be there alot longer than the 3 years. He has the whole thing sewn up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 04, 2019, 08:03:22 PM
Beginning to think your right. Even if Tyrone won the AI last year still would have wanted Harte to go. 16 years is too long for any manager especially one as stubborn as harte

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Well the good people of Tyrone voted to give harte 3 years so we are stuck with him. I've a feeling he will be there alot longer than the 3 years. He has the whole thing sewn up.
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on February 04, 2019, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 07:38:32 PM
Well the good people of Tyrone voted to give harte 3 years so we are stuck with him. I've a feeling he will be there alot longer than the 3 years. He has the whole thing sewn up.

He'll absolutely be there for longer!  He will never leave of his own decision he will need to be pushed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 04, 2019, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 07:38:32 PM
Well the good people of Tyrone voted to give harte 3 years so we are stuck with him. I've a feeling he will be there alot longer than the 3 years. He has the whole thing sewn up.

He'll absolutely be there for longer!  He will never leave of his own decision he will need to be pushed.
cant think of anyone with the balls to push him. only person to stand up to him was roisin Jordan and look what happened her.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 04, 2019, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 04, 2019, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 04, 2019, 07:38:32 PM
Well the good people of Tyrone voted to give harte 3 years so we are stuck with him. I've a feeling he will be there alot longer than the 3 years. He has the whole thing sewn up.

He'll absolutely be there for longer!  He will never leave of his own decision he will need to be pushed.
cant think of anyone with the balls to push him. only person to stand up to him was roisin Jordan and look what happened her.

Only the players but that will never happen
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 05, 2019, 08:06:58 AM
The first week in February and the usual over the top hysterical negative heads are out in full force. I love the fact that someone actually said Harte should be sacked even if we had won the All Ireland last year. I think that sums up the kind of mentality you are up against. It's been a very poor start to the league just like last year. Like last year I will be judging the team in the summer not now.

One thing I will say is Harte is an easy target for our lack of forwards. Given the lack of transfers in the gaa it's not something that can be easy fixed. Some people try to say McCurry and Brennan etc would be world beaters if they didn't have to track back. The two problems with this is neither have proven to be great ball winners yet - they both lack either great strength to win the ball or blistering pace to get away from a man. You certainly cant get away with both of them in the team. The other problem is that in nearly all teams including Dublin have forwards such as Mannion who are tracking back to help out and still athletic enough to get back up and support the attack. So it's not as if Harte is the only manager asking his forwards to do this.

My problem with the setup is that weaknesses with our forward play don't seem to be addressed. Two of my issues with our forward play is as follows:

1) Once we get a score in a game we are letting the opposition out far too easy which means we aren't building up any kind of momentum. I'm not saying we aren't pushing up on the kickout but we aren't doing it with enough men or genuine aggression to win the ball - the players almost seem to be ticking a box by getting up the field but quite happily let their opponent win the ball then drift back to defence. Also we always seem to allow someone free on the kickout. There is no point in marking 5 men and leaving a 6th free and an easy way out for the opposition. You'd nearly be as safe dropping everyone back to cover defence because when the free man gets it we don't have the numbers back.

2) We are kicking more ball into the full forward line and Harte on Sunday was actually fairly effective at winning it (despite being picked out as an easy target by some above). But when we get it in the full forward line there is usually an extra defender or two back. What Dublin and Mayo do better than us is getting support runners coming through to support the forward. Not one or two men but 4 or 5 men bursting through following the kick in to take the return pass. They come at different angles pulling the defence apart. We tend to kick it in and not have the support runners. Or when we choose not to kick it and run from deep instead we aren't direct enough with enough men coming through.

I'm sure both points above aren't helped if we are below some other teams in terms of fitness currently. But they are two areas we should be putting a lot of emphasis on as are scoring has let us down badly at times in big games.

Unlike some who give out about us dropping men back I have no problem with that as long as it's following the ball. Players are fit enough now to go back and help out. But are primary aim when losing the ball should be to win it back as opposed to players drifting back and covering spaces. That oftens lead to a lack of responsibility and the opposition will eventually break you down. At times including Sunday we have abandoned the sweeper but it hasn't been followed up with enough aggression in terms of winning possession which is the key to unsettling the likes of Dublin who dominate when given the ball.

Hopefully we start to see some major improvements from this weekend as the first two performances have been very disappointing and we don't want to be back playing division two football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on February 05, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
1. I don't think we have the players with that aggression.
2. Harte won a few. But he's definitely not a natural in that position. To receive the ball, turn and stick it over. Unfortunately, he's our best outlet in terms of intelligence in that position. Secondly, as regards runners, who is willing to kick a point from 30-40? Countless times players did break the 40 but turned back to feed Donnelly or whoever. And then pointed to go back further.

But it is only Feb. You just hoped to see something different.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2019, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 05, 2019, 08:06:58 AM
The first week in February and the usual over the top hysterical negative heads are out in full force...

Good post RHS, and yes, a bit too early with the obituaries. Though we would want to be showing something of the necessary fitness levels soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 06, 2019, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2019, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 05, 2019, 08:06:58 AM
The first week in February and the usual over the top hysterical negative heads are out in full force...

Good post RHS, and yes, a bit too early with the obituaries. Though we would want to be showing something of the necessary fitness levels soon.
what I  seen on Sunday was not down to a lack of fitness. More like a lack of ideas or any kind of attacking game plan. Of course we will get fitter but that's not enough, we have to get smarter too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 06, 2019, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 06, 2019, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2019, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 05, 2019, 08:06:58 AM
The first week in February and the usual over the top hysterical negative heads are out in full force...

Good post RHS, and yes, a bit too early with the obituaries. Though we would want to be showing something of the necessary fitness levels soon.
what I  seen on Sunday was not down to a lack of fitness. More like a lack of ideas or any kind of attacking game plan. Of course we will get fitter but that's not enough, we have to get smarter too.

God you seen a lot from your armchair.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 06, 2019, 11:53:16 AM
I think more of 20 quid to waste it watching that shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 06, 2019, 04:33:09 PM
When I went to the turnstiles on the weekend they weren't asking for £20...maybe you're not a Fermanagh man after all, but a proud Farney man instead. If you were so interested in your "county", you'd have a season ticket and be getting serious value for money.  But this year will be like every other year, you'll sit from your armchair and fire out negative vitriol until there's a bandwagon to jump on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 06, 2019, 06:29:09 PM
I take this is about the drama queen south Fermanagh gael.

Luckily someone showed me how to block him last year, bliss!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 06, 2019, 09:49:18 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 06, 2019, 04:33:09 PM
When I went to the turnstiles on the weekend they weren't asking for £20...maybe you're not a Fermanagh man after all, but a proud Farney man instead. If you were so interested in your "county", you'd have a season ticket and be getting serious value for money.  But this year will be like every other year, you'll sit from your armchair and fire out negative vitriol until there's a bandwagon to jump on.
'serious value for money'? Watching Tyrone? Sorry I'm not seeing it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 06, 2019, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 06, 2019, 09:49:18 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 06, 2019, 04:33:09 PM
When I went to the turnstiles on the weekend they weren't asking for £20...maybe you're not a Fermanagh man after all, but a proud Farney man instead. If you were so interested in your "county", you'd have a season ticket and be getting serious value for money.  But this year will be like every other year, you'll sit from your armchair and fire out negative vitriol until there's a bandwagon to jump on.
'serious value for money'? Watching Tyrone? Sorry I'm not seeing it.
I think your right, in fact you should take it another step and stop stop posting bout Tyrone as well. Do us all a favour.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on February 06, 2019, 10:45:51 PM
I see on facebook that the Teamtalk just donated £3,600 to Strabane Downs Syndrome Support Group, and in the last 5 years have donated almost £25,000 to local charities. Not bad for a group of men who were recently described on this board by a certain Augher poster as "f**kin pathetic money grabbing f**kin arselickers".
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 06, 2019, 11:52:24 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on February 06, 2019, 10:45:51 PM
I see on facebook that the Teamtalk just donated £3,600 to Strabane Downs Syndrome Support Group, and in the last 5 years have donated almost £25,000 to local charities. Not bad for a group of men who were recently described on this board by a certain Augher poster as "f**kin pathetic money grabbing f**kin arselickers".

I definitely came across the quote, but I'm sure it wasn't an Augher man that said it.  ::) ::) ::)

In all seriousness, fair play to them. Yes they have their flaws but they really do offer a fantastic service. We'd be much worse off as a county if we didn't have them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 07, 2019, 09:00:38 AM
STG, you are a rotten son of a bitch. He was collecting a cheque on behalf of his murdered daughter's legacy charity you f**king moron. It took quite an effort but that's probably the worst thing I've seen on this board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 07, 2019, 09:05:28 AM
Disgusting comment but I'd expect nothing less from him. Seems to be a right twisted obsessive individual.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on February 07, 2019, 09:35:22 AM
STG why don't you do yourself and us all a favour and f*ck off from this board, that is an absolutely vile comment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on February 07, 2019, 10:20:40 AM
What did he say this time? It appears to have been removed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 07, 2019, 11:21:10 AM
Coward has removed his post - says a lot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 07, 2019, 08:33:19 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on February 07, 2019, 10:20:40 AM
What did he say this time? It appears to have been removed.

Rotten hoor made a cheap jibe about Mickey collecting a cheque on behalf of Micheala's charity. Dirt bag should have his posts screenshoted and passed on to Mickey to take legal action. Some fecking coward he is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 07, 2019, 10:12:30 PM
Hopefully that's the end of him. Disgusting comment regardless of the politics of Tyrone football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 07, 2019, 11:15:23 PM
1    Niall Morgan           Éadan na dTorc
2   Michael McKernan   Oileán a'Ghuail
3   Ronan McNamee   Achadh Uí Aráin
4   Hugh Pat McGeary   Cabhán a'Chaortainn
5   Tiernan McCann           Coill an Chlochair
6   Rory Brennan           Trí Leac
7   Peter Harte           Aireagal Chiaráin
8   Brian Kennedy           Doire Lochain
9   Declan McClure           Cluain Eo
10   Matthew Donnelly   Trí Leac
11   Niall Sludden           An Droim Mhór
12   Kieran McGeary           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13   Darren McCurry           Éadan na dTorc
14   Cathal McShane     E. R. Uí Néill
15   Lee Brennan           Trí Leac
16   Benny Gallen           Achadh Uí Aráin
17   Frank Burns           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
18   Kyle Coney           Ard Bó
19   Conan Grugan           An Ómaigh
20   Conal McCann           Coill an Chlochair
21   Aidan McCrory           Aireagal Chiaráin
22   Ben McDonnell           Aireagal Chiaráin
23   Ciaran McLaughlin   An Ómaigh
24   Conor Meyler           An Ómaigh
25   Ronan O'Neill           An Ómaigh
26   Liam Rafferty           An Gallbhaile
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 07, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 07, 2019, 11:15:23 PM
1    Niall Morgan           Éadan na dTorc
2   Michael McKernan   Oileán a'Ghuail
3   Ronan McNamee   Achadh Uí Aráin
4   Hugh Pat McGeary   Cabhán a'Chaortainn
5   Tiernan McCann           Coill an Chlochair
6   Rory Brennan           Trí Leac
7   Peter Harte           Aireagal Chiaráin
8   Brian Kennedy           Doire Lochain
9   Declan McClure           Cluain Eo
10   Matthew Donnelly   Trí Leac
11   Niall Sludden           An Droim Mhór
12   Kieran McGeary           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13   Darren McCurry           Éadan na dTorc
14   Cathal McShane     E. R. Uí Néill
15   Lee Brennan           Trí Leac
16   Benny Gallen           Achadh Uí Aráin
17   Frank Burns           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
18   Kyle Coney           Ard Bó
19   Conan Grugan           An Ómaigh
20   Conal McCann           Coill an Chlochair
21   Aidan McCrory           Aireagal Chiaráin
22   Ben McDonnell           Aireagal Chiaráin
23   Ciaran McLaughlin   An Ómaigh
24   Conor Meyler           An Ómaigh
25   Ronan O'Neill           An Ómaigh
26   Liam Rafferty           An Gallbhaile
Was Mickey even at the game last Sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: In hiding on February 07, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 07, 2019, 11:15:23 PM
1    Niall Morgan           Éadan na dTorc
2   Michael McKernan   Oileán a'Ghuail
3   Ronan McNamee   Achadh Uí Aráin
4   Hugh Pat McGeary   Cabhán a'Chaortainn
5   Tiernan McCann           Coill an Chlochair
6   Rory Brennan           Trí Leac
7   Peter Harte           Aireagal Chiaráin
8   Brian Kennedy           Doire Lochain
9   Declan McClure           Cluain Eo
10   Matthew Donnelly   Trí Leac
11   Niall Sludden           An Droim Mhór
12   Kieran McGeary           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13   Darren McCurry           Éadan na dTorc
14   Cathal McShane     E. R. Uí Néill
15   Lee Brennan           Trí Leac
16   Benny Gallen           Achadh Uí Aráin
17   Frank Burns           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
18   Kyle Coney           Ard Bó
19   Conan Grugan           An Ómaigh
20   Conal McCann           Coill an Chlochair
21   Aidan McCrory           Aireagal Chiaráin
22   Ben McDonnell           Aireagal Chiaráin
23   Ciaran McLaughlin   An Ómaigh
24   Conor Meyler           An Ómaigh
25   Ronan O'Neill           An Ómaigh
26   Liam Rafferty           An Gallbhaile
Was Mickey even at the game last Sunday?

I'd imagine there'll be 2 or 3 changes before the throw in so wouldn't read too much into that team. But if you are basing it on last Sunday about 10 players could easily be dropped, I'm not sure we would be able to replace them all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 08, 2019, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: In hiding on February 07, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 07, 2019, 11:15:23 PM
1    Niall Morgan           Éadan na dTorc
2   Michael McKernan   Oileán a'Ghuail
3   Ronan McNamee   Achadh Uí Aráin
4   Hugh Pat McGeary   Cabhán a'Chaortainn
5   Tiernan McCann           Coill an Chlochair
6   Rory Brennan           Trí Leac
7   Peter Harte           Aireagal Chiaráin
8   Brian Kennedy           Doire Lochain
9   Declan McClure           Cluain Eo
10   Matthew Donnelly   Trí Leac
11   Niall Sludden           An Droim Mhór
12   Kieran McGeary           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13   Darren McCurry           Éadan na dTorc
14   Cathal McShane     E. R. Uí Néill
15   Lee Brennan           Trí Leac
16   Benny Gallen           Achadh Uí Aráin
17   Frank Burns           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
18   Kyle Coney           Ard Bó
19   Conan Grugan           An Ómaigh
20   Conal McCann           Coill an Chlochair
21   Aidan McCrory           Aireagal Chiaráin
22   Ben McDonnell           Aireagal Chiaráin
23   Ciaran McLaughlin   An Ómaigh
24   Conor Meyler           An Ómaigh
25   Ronan O'Neill           An Ómaigh
26   Liam Rafferty           An Gallbhaile
Was Mickey even at the game last Sunday?

Mickey ran out off ideas many years ago. To long in the tooth. Should have been gone years ago but the wise people in the county board bottled it no doubt Mickey will be there next year the year after and on and on.......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 08, 2019, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: In hiding on February 07, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 07, 2019, 11:15:23 PM
1    Niall Morgan           Éadan na dTorc
2   Michael McKernan   Oileán a'Ghuail
3   Ronan McNamee   Achadh Uí Aráin
4   Hugh Pat McGeary   Cabhán a'Chaortainn
5   Tiernan McCann           Coill an Chlochair
6   Rory Brennan           Trí Leac
7   Peter Harte           Aireagal Chiaráin
8   Brian Kennedy           Doire Lochain
9   Declan McClure           Cluain Eo
10   Matthew Donnelly   Trí Leac
11   Niall Sludden           An Droim Mhór
12   Kieran McGeary           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13   Darren McCurry           Éadan na dTorc
14   Cathal McShane     E. R. Uí Néill
15   Lee Brennan           Trí Leac
16   Benny Gallen           Achadh Uí Aráin
17   Frank Burns           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
18   Kyle Coney           Ard Bó
19   Conan Grugan           An Ómaigh
20   Conal McCann           Coill an Chlochair
21   Aidan McCrory           Aireagal Chiaráin
22   Ben McDonnell           Aireagal Chiaráin
23   Ciaran McLaughlin   An Ómaigh
24   Conor Meyler           An Ómaigh
25   Ronan O'Neill           An Ómaigh
26   Liam Rafferty           An Gallbhaile
Was Mickey even at the game last Sunday?

Mickey ran out off ideas many years ago. To long in the tooth. Should have been gone years ago but the wise people in the county board bottled it no doubt Mickey will be there next year the year after and on and on.......

We were in an All Ireland final just 6 months ago!! Only the 6th in our 120 year history (4 of them under Harte). In the previous 2 years we won the Ulster title and the year before that we were in the All Ireland semi final.

I'm not sure what level of success some of you lads are expecting but I think a lot of you overrate the players and particularly the forwards available to us. Never mind the fact that Harte is getting us to All Ireland finals and competing at the top despite the county team expenditure  being the lowest out of the top teams and Tyrone being the 28th worst funded county from Croke Park.

I am critical of some aspects of our play and don't agree with some of Harte's team selections. But as usual some of the judgements on here seem way over the top.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 08, 2019, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 08, 2019, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: In hiding on February 07, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 07, 2019, 11:15:23 PM
1    Niall Morgan           Éadan na dTorc
2   Michael McKernan   Oileán a'Ghuail
3   Ronan McNamee   Achadh Uí Aráin
4   Hugh Pat McGeary   Cabhán a'Chaortainn
5   Tiernan McCann           Coill an Chlochair
6   Rory Brennan           Trí Leac
7   Peter Harte           Aireagal Chiaráin
8   Brian Kennedy           Doire Lochain
9   Declan McClure           Cluain Eo
10   Matthew Donnelly   Trí Leac
11   Niall Sludden           An Droim Mhór
12   Kieran McGeary           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13   Darren McCurry           Éadan na dTorc
14   Cathal McShane     E. R. Uí Néill
15   Lee Brennan           Trí Leac
16   Benny Gallen           Achadh Uí Aráin
17   Frank Burns           Cabhán a'Chaortainn
18   Kyle Coney           Ard Bó
19   Conan Grugan           An Ómaigh
20   Conal McCann           Coill an Chlochair
21   Aidan McCrory           Aireagal Chiaráin
22   Ben McDonnell           Aireagal Chiaráin
23   Ciaran McLaughlin   An Ómaigh
24   Conor Meyler           An Ómaigh
25   Ronan O'Neill           An Ómaigh
26   Liam Rafferty           An Gallbhaile
Was Mickey even at the game last Sunday?

Mickey ran out off ideas many years ago. To long in the tooth. Should have been gone years ago but the wise people in the county board bottled it no doubt Mickey will be there next year the year after and on and on.......

We were in an All Ireland final just 6 months ago!! Only the 6th in our 120 year history (4 of them under Harte). In the previous 2 years we won the Ulster title and the year before that we were in the All Ireland semi final.

I'm not sure what level of success some of you lads are expecting but I think a lot of you overrate the players and particularly the forwards available to us. Never mind the fact that Harte is getting us to All Ireland finals and competing at the top despite the county team expenditure  being the lowest out of the top teams and Tyrone being the 28th worst funded county from Croke Park.

I am critical of some aspects of our play and don't agree with some of Harte's team selections. But as usual some of the judgements on here seem way over the top.
Some people want a change, which is fair enough if you think Mickey's been there too long and there's someone better there to take on the lead. But some people just don't like Mickey and want rid of him regardless of whether that will help or hinder the team. I just find that bizarre. I don't particularly like everything Mickey does or how he does it. But I still think he's a great manager.
If we as a county are at each other's throats given our relative success over the last number of years (We don't have an entitlement to be in the running for AI finals, semi finals, Ulster titles etc) imagine what we would be like with a mediocre manager and mediocre results. There might be no AI Finals, Ulster Finals, Semi or quarter finals and imagine how much bitching there would be then about the manager. Who the feck would want to do it? I was of the view after 2017 that maybe it was time for Mickey to step away. But he got us to an AI final last year. And we were beat by Dublin, can't see the shame in that. That's enough for me to say he's entitled to another crack at it this year. If we bow out in July then yes you could justify some of the clambering for a change. But not the year after getting to an AI final (With, what in my view is a good but nowhere near great squad) and getting beat by one of the greatest teams ever.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 09:50:24 AM
Imagine when he leaves and we drop down to the same level as some of the other previously successful counties like Down, Armagh or Derry have done in recent years. There will be some yapping done then, god help who is in charge at that point. The issue is we hit a golden generation of players in the 2000s and combined it with a great manager leading to unbelievable success for a county like Tyrone. This has lead to supporters being spoilt.

We have still did well in recent years and 25 plus counties would love to be in our position. It's easy when a county is doing less well after such success to have someone to blame like the manager. It's an easy excuse for not supporting the team when they aren't winning All Irelands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 08, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 09:50:24 AM
Imagine when he leaves and we drop down to the same level as some of the other previously successful counties like Down, Armagh or Derry have done in recent years. There will be some yapping done then, god help who is in charge at that point. The issue is we hit a golden generation of players in the 2000s and combined it with a great manager leading to unbelievable success for a county like Tyrone. This has lead to supporters being spoilt.

We have still did well in recent years and 25 plus counties would love to be in our position. It's easy when a county is doing less well after such success to have someone to blame like the manager. It's an easy excuse for not supporting the team when they aren't winning All Irelands.

My God that is some rant. I have nothing personal against Mickey and I understand we got to an All Ireland last year but let's face facts our run to the final last year was hardly laced with outstanding victories against top opposition. We were beat 3 times in the champions in one year....for what it's worth it is my opinion that the time for change was a few years ago and we have got ourselves into a position that the management of our county has become a full time post in which we have allowed people to become dependent  on to allow them to earn a living and it becomes very difficult for either party to let go. It is only an opinion don't shoot me for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 08, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 09:50:24 AM
Imagine when he leaves and we drop down to the same level as some of the other previously successful counties like Down, Armagh or Derry have done in recent years. There will be some yapping done then, god help who is in charge at that point. The issue is we hit a golden generation of players in the 2000s and combined it with a great manager leading to unbelievable success for a county like Tyrone. This has lead to supporters being spoilt.

We have still did well in recent years and 25 plus counties would love to be in our position. It's easy when a county is doing less well after such success to have someone to blame like the manager. It's an easy excuse for not supporting the team when they aren't winning All Irelands.

My God that is some rant. I have nothing personal against Mickey and I understand we got to an All Ireland last year but let's face facts our run to the final last year was hardly laced with outstanding victories against top opposition. We were beat 3 times in the champions in one year....for what it's worth it is my opinion that the time for change was a few years ago and we have got ourselves into a position that the management of our county has become a full time post in which we have allowed people to become dependent  on to allow them to earn a living and it becomes very difficult for either party to let go. It is only an opinion don't shoot me for it.

We did indeed lose 3 times in the championship. Twice of them were against Dublin who are possibly the greatest teams ever and resources we could only dream about. The other against Monaghan was reversed later in the championship in a crucial knockout game.

I don't see a change in management improving our fortunes, I'd imagine it'll have the opposite effect. It's get a few more behind the team in the short term but once results start going badly they'll turn on the new management fairly quickly.

I personally thought our victory in Donegal last year was our best championship win in ten years. Away to the ulster champions with an excellent home record and 3 or 4 points down at half time, it was a great result. It's probably unfair on Monaghan that people don't respect the victory against them enough in the semi final.

I think anyone who looks objectively at the Tyrone players and resources available and compares it to what we have done in the last 3/4 years would say the management is doing a good job at getting the best out of the team. Is it enough to win the All Ireland? Probably not unless we find something extra, but I'm not sure that's down to management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 08, 2019, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 08, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 09:50:24 AM
Imagine when he leaves and we drop down to the same level as some of the other previously successful counties like Down, Armagh or Derry have done in recent years. There will be some yapping done then, god help who is in charge at that point. The issue is we hit a golden generation of players in the 2000s and combined it with a great manager leading to unbelievable success for a county like Tyrone. This has lead to supporters being spoilt.

We have still did well in recent years and 25 plus counties would love to be in our position. It's easy when a county is doing less well after such success to have someone to blame like the manager. It's an easy excuse for not supporting the team when they aren't winning All Irelands.

My God that is some rant. I have nothing personal against Mickey and I understand we got to an All Ireland last year but let's face facts our run to the final last year was hardly laced with outstanding victories against top opposition. We were beat 3 times in the champions in one year....for what it's worth it is my opinion that the time for change was a few years ago and we have got ourselves into a position that the management of our county has become a full time post in which we have allowed people to become dependent  on to allow them to earn a living and it becomes very difficult for either party to let go. It is only an opinion don't shoot me for it.

We did indeed lose 3 times in the championship. Twice of them were against Dublin who are possibly the greatest teams ever and resources we could only dream about. The other against Monaghan was reversed later in the championship in a crucial knockout game.

I don't see a change in management improving our fortunes, I'd imagine it'll have the opposite effect. It's get a few more behind the team in the short term but once results start going badly they'll turn on the new management fairly quickly.

I personally thought our victory in Donegal last year was our best championship win in ten years. Away to the ulster champions with an excellent home record and 3 or 4 points down at half time, it was a great result. It's probably unfair on Monaghan that people don't respect the victory against them enough in the semi final.

I think anyone who looks objectively at the Tyrone players and resources available and compares it to what we have done in the last 3/4 years would say the management is doing a good job at getting the best out of the team. Is it enough to win the All Ireland? Probably not unless we find something extra, but I'm not sure that's down to management.

You've mentioned limited resources a few times now. 4 different groups have won all Ireland titles in 04, 08, 10 and 15. A lot of counties would be fairly pleased with those limited resources. Or maybe Mickey was responsible for those wins too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:44:26 AM
Quote from: In hiding on February 08, 2019, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on February 08, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 09:50:24 AM
Imagine when he leaves and we drop down to the same level as some of the other previously successful counties like Down, Armagh or Derry have done in recent years. There will be some yapping done then, god help who is in charge at that point. The issue is we hit a golden generation of players in the 2000s and combined it with a great manager leading to unbelievable success for a county like Tyrone. This has lead to supporters being spoilt.

We have still did well in recent years and 25 plus counties would love to be in our position. It's easy when a county is doing less well after such success to have someone to blame like the manager. It's an easy excuse for not supporting the team when they aren't winning All Irelands.

My God that is some rant. I have nothing personal against Mickey and I understand we got to an All Ireland last year but let's face facts our run to the final last year was hardly laced with outstanding victories against top opposition. We were beat 3 times in the champions in one year....for what it's worth it is my opinion that the time for change was a few years ago and we have got ourselves into a position that the management of our county has become a full time post in which we have allowed people to become dependent  on to allow them to earn a living and it becomes very difficult for either party to let go. It is only an opinion don't shoot me for it.

We did indeed lose 3 times in the championship. Twice of them were against Dublin who are possibly the greatest teams ever and resources we could only dream about. The other against Monaghan was reversed later in the championship in a crucial knockout game.

I don't see a change in management improving our fortunes, I'd imagine it'll have the opposite effect. It's get a few more behind the team in the short term but once results start going badly they'll turn on the new management fairly quickly.

I personally thought our victory in Donegal last year was our best championship win in ten years. Away to the ulster champions with an excellent home record and 3 or 4 points down at half time, it was a great result. It's probably unfair on Monaghan that people don't respect the victory against them enough in the semi final.

I think anyone who looks objectively at the Tyrone players and resources available and compares it to what we have done in the last 3/4 years would say the management is doing a good job at getting the best out of the team. Is it enough to win the All Ireland? Probably not unless we find something extra, but I'm not sure that's down to management.

You've mentioned limited resources a few times now. 4 different groups have won all Ireland titles in 04, 08, 10 and 15. A lot of counties would be fairly pleased with those limited resources. Or maybe Mickey was responsible for those wins too

The limited resources I referred to was spending on the team compared to the other top counties like Mayo and Dublin. They have huge backroom teams and money being spent on the team.

We have got through a number of players from them underage teams and they have helped us stay as a top 5/6 county. But underage success is no guarantee of senior success and we are up against the Dubs who won 4 u21 titles this decade (u21 success is more likely to translate to senior success than minors). They are the county who are combining that underage success with huge money, so it is a struggle for us to get past them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 08, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:44:26 AM
We have got through a number of players from them underage teams and they have helped us stay as a top 5/6 county. But underage success is no guarantee of senior success and we are up against the Dubs who won 4 u21 titles this decade (u21 success is more likely to translate to senior success than minors). They are the county who are combining that underage success with huge money, so it is a struggle for us to get past them.

it is but at same time it is also worrying that Tyrone haven't won an Ulster Minor since 2012 (u-17 success in 2017 excluded). the longest drought at that level prior to this was between 1978-1988. we just don't seem to be producing the same quality of footballers consistently compared to previous eras.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:44:26 AM
We have got through a number of players from them underage teams and they have helped us stay as a top 5/6 county. But underage success is no guarantee of senior success and we are up against the Dubs who won 4 u21 titles this decade (u21 success is more likely to translate to senior success than minors). They are the county who are combining that underage success with huge money, so it is a struggle for us to get past them.

it is but at same time it is also worrying that Tyrone haven't won an Ulster Minor since 2012 (u-17 success in 2017 excluded). the longest drought at that level prior to this was between 1978-1988. we just don't seem to be producing the same quality of footballers consistently compared to previous eras.

Agreed. We have definitely slipped back badly at underage level compared to the 2000's. That 2015 u21 success was a one off at that level as we have struggled at the grade consistently this last ten years as well. That was our only year to even win the ulster title. Ulster titles have also dried up at minor level where we have been playing second fiddle to Derry. Certainly a worrying trend for going forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on February 08, 2019, 12:01:37 PM
Also at schools level. Ten years since a Tyrone MacRory Cup success (Academy Dungannon in '09). Academy won Hogan in '08 and Omagh CBS won MacRory in '07, a real boom time for Tyrone school football.
That said, HTC Cookstown won the McLarnon last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 08, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:44:26 AM
We have got through a number of players from them underage teams and they have helped us stay as a top 5/6 county. But underage success is no guarantee of senior success and we are up against the Dubs who won 4 u21 titles this decade (u21 success is more likely to translate to senior success than minors). They are the county who are combining that underage success with huge money, so it is a struggle for us to get past them.

it is but at same time it is also worrying that Tyrone haven't won an Ulster Minor since 2012 (u-17 success in 2017 excluded). the longest drought at that level prior to this was between 1978-1988. we just don't seem to be producing the same quality of footballers consistently compared to previous eras.

Agreed. We have definitely slipped back badly at underage level compared to the 2000's. That 2015 u21 success was a one off at that level as we have struggled at the grade consistently this last ten years as well. That was our only year to even win the ulster title. Ulster titles have also dried up at minor level where we have been playing second fiddle to Derry. Certainly a worrying trend for going forward.
We did win the All Ireland U17 in 2017.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 08, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 08, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:44:26 AM
We have got through a number of players from them underage teams and they have helped us stay as a top 5/6 county. But underage success is no guarantee of senior success and we are up against the Dubs who won 4 u21 titles this decade (u21 success is more likely to translate to senior success than minors). They are the county who are combining that underage success with huge money, so it is a struggle for us to get past them.

it is but at same time it is also worrying that Tyrone haven't won an Ulster Minor since 2012 (u-17 success in 2017 excluded). the longest drought at that level prior to this was between 1978-1988. we just don't seem to be producing the same quality of footballers consistently compared to previous eras.

Agreed. We have definitely slipped back badly at underage level compared to the 2000's. That 2015 u21 success was a one off at that level as we have struggled at the grade consistently this last ten years as well. That was our only year to even win the ulster title. Ulster titles have also dried up at minor level where we have been playing second fiddle to Derry. Certainly a worrying trend for going forward.
We did win the All Ireland U17 in 2017.

It's a long way from under 17 to senior success. I'd be hoping for a big couple of years at under 20 now with that winning under 17 team reaching that age. For this reason I think it would be disappointing if Canavan wasn't playing with the u20s this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 08, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 08, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2019, 10:44:26 AM
We have got through a number of players from them underage teams and they have helped us stay as a top 5/6 county. But underage success is no guarantee of senior success and we are up against the Dubs who won 4 u21 titles this decade (u21 success is more likely to translate to senior success than minors). They are the county who are combining that underage success with huge money, so it is a struggle for us to get past them.

it is but at same time it is also worrying that Tyrone haven't won an Ulster Minor since 2012 (u-17 success in 2017 excluded). the longest drought at that level prior to this was between 1978-1988. we just don't seem to be producing the same quality of footballers consistently compared to previous eras.

Agreed. We have definitely slipped back badly at underage level compared to the 2000's. That 2015 u21 success was a one off at that level as we have struggled at the grade consistently this last ten years as well. That was our only year to even win the ulster title. Ulster titles have also dried up at minor level where we have been playing second fiddle to Derry. Certainly a worrying trend for going forward.
We did win the All Ireland U17 in 2017.

It was great to win it but have to take into account there was also an u18 competition this year which some counties (who were going well) focused on at the expenses of the u17.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 08, 2019, 03:31:41 PM
The last 2 years have been very misleading. Yes we reached the semi final and then a final but we had easy runs. I dont recall tyrone beating Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the later stages of an AI for a long time now. Point is we are way behind the top teams.

Theres no shame in losing but its the manner of our losses that bother me. Consistently trying to defend while we are getting beat by 3-4points. Would rather tyrone go all out and playing attacking football and get beat by 10 points than watch them defend a 3 point loss.

This is why i have for years said its time for mickey to go. Hes far too stubborn to change, watching tyrone year after year with the same issues at fault is like ground hog day.

Common question is who will replace him? My answer is who cares. So we dont win the mckenna cup big deal. With monaghan, armagh and donegal improving Tyrone wont win ulster with thr current style of play
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on February 08, 2019, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 08, 2019, 03:31:41 PM
The last 2 years have been very misleading. Yes we reached the semi final and then a final but we had easy runs. I dont recall tyrone beating Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the later stages of an AI for a long time now. Point is we are way behind the top teams.

Theres no shame in losing but its the manner of our losses that bother me. Consistently trying to defend while we are getting beat by 3-4points. Would rather tyrone go all out and playing attacking football and get beat by 10 points than watch them defend a 3 point loss.

This is why i have for years said its time for mickey to go. Hes far too stubborn to change, watching tyrone year after year with the same issues at fault is like ground hog day.

Common question is who will replace him? My answer is who cares. So we dont win the mckenna cup big deal. With monaghan, armagh and donegal improving Tyrone wont win ulster with thr current style of play

Honestly think this post sums it up for me. I am just tired watching Tyrone play in the robotic way of the last few years and people wanting to keep a failed system of play because Mickey wants to stay on in his job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 10, 2019, 07:19:21 PM
What is going on? Are we this bad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 10, 2019, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 10, 2019, 07:19:21 PM
What is going on? Are we this bad?

Would give you the scower looking at it but was a good point all the same,all looked lost at one stage....everything just too slow simple as that,did i see Mickey taking a verbal go at Mattie Donnelly at final whistle??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 10, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 10, 2019, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 10, 2019, 07:19:21 PM
What is going on? Are we this bad?

Would give you the scower looking at it but was a good point all the same,all looked lost at one stage....everything just too slow simple as that,did i see Mickey taking a verbal go at Mattie Donnelly at final whistle??

Yeah a good point in what realistically now is about staying in Div 1. But we were in an AIF last year. I honestly thought they'd kick on from that starting with a serious league campaign.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WBF on February 10, 2019, 08:59:43 PM
I see a lot of talk on Twitter about this Thailand holiday... has it came down to people slagging players now outside of football as well as what happens on the field? Maybe I'm naive to something that happened on the holiday was there a falling out between players?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 10, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: WBF on February 10, 2019, 08:59:43 PM
I see a lot of talk on Twitter about this Thailand holiday... has it came down to people slagging players now outside of football as well as what happens on the field? Maybe I'm naive to something that happened on the holiday was there a falling out between players?

Not that i know of...or to be honest do i care.... lads will be lads....big game v Monaghan coming up in 2 weeks...give 2 weeks to get things sorted....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 10, 2019, 09:49:11 PM
Bit of a split in the camp and it shows. Rows carrying on from the holiday, clearly affecting performances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 10, 2019, 09:57:47 PM
Does anyone know what the supposed row was about? Must havebeen serious enough to still affect the team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 10, 2019, 10:03:33 PM
One point from play from outfield players in second half with that gale force wind is pathetic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2019, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 10, 2019, 10:03:33 PM
One point from play from outfield players in second half with that gale force wind is pathetic.

And the goal ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 10, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 10, 2019, 09:57:47 PM
Does anyone know what the supposed row was about? Must havebeen serious enough to still affect the team

No idea what has happened in this case but there's usually only one reason why lads will fall out among themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 10, 2019, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2019, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 10, 2019, 10:03:33 PM
One point from play from outfield players in second half with that gale force wind is pathetic.

And the goal ;)

And it was a fecking point attempt that dropped short! Ros scored 10 from play in first half! Something not right in the setup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 11, 2019, 12:44:47 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 10, 2019, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 10, 2019, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 10, 2019, 10:03:33 PM
One point from play from outfield players in second half with that gale force wind is pathetic.

And the goal ;)

And it was a fecking point attempt that dropped short! Ros scored 10 from play in first half! Something not right in the setup.

The wind was a HUGE factor I thought, Ros couldn't miss in the first half, but couldn't score in the second.

And yes, we didn't exploit that advantage to the same degree in the second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on February 11, 2019, 04:00:08 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 10, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 10, 2019, 09:57:47 PM
Does anyone know what the supposed row was about? Must havebeen serious enough to still affect the team

No idea what has happened in this case but there's usually only one reason why lads will fall out among themselves.

Well Dont leave us hanging then ffs.
I can think of 100 or so reasons but in my experience it's usually beer fueled slagging that got out of hand and then lads fall in behind who they're closest with.

Is there any a actual truth to this whole thing at all?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on February 11, 2019, 11:05:59 AM
Couldn't believe the lack of a mention of the wind during the analysis on League Sunday last night.  They were saying that Roscommon were very "shot shy" during the 2nd half and about how they let Tyrone back into the game in the 2nd half however didn't once mention the gale which was the single biggest deciding factor in the game!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 11, 2019, 11:35:04 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 11, 2019, 04:00:08 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 10, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 10, 2019, 09:57:47 PM
Does anyone know what the supposed row was about? Must havebeen serious enough to still affect the team

No idea what has happened in this case but there's usually only one reason why lads will fall out among themselves.

Well Dont leave us hanging then ffs.
I can think of 100 or so reasons but in my experience it's usually beer fueled slagging that got out of hand and then lads fall in behind who they're closest with.

Is there any a actual truth to this whole thing at all?

To be honest this sounds like one giant rumour. There's no fact or basis for this.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on February 11, 2019, 11:35:52 AM
The wind was a huge factor, but so too was Tyrone's ineptitude in the middle third. Absolutely cleaned out for breaking ball, especially in the first half when Roscommon put the foot down and hit six points in a row.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 11, 2019, 11:55:34 AM
Have we seen this before where we go into a new season full of hope and excitement with how good the new recruits look in the McKenna cup and talk of huge competition for places and then it all falls flat on its face.

A few weeks ago we were EXPECTING to win for the first time in a long time down in Killarney but again we are left feeling a little cheated as fans and wonder what the hell is going on.
It seems pretty obvious now that the team has no interest in fighting too hard for a win at this time of year and are just going through the motions. Our lack of an obvious Plan B has risen its head again as we continue to be very predictable and want to run with the ball all the time and then don't know how to break down a defensive blanket.

Brolly and Dessie Dolan were almost creaming themselves last night watching the Kerry v Dubs game and saying this is how football should be played. Poor JC didn't know now whether to interrupt them and disagree with everything Joe said as before or to let them both off the leash.

It seems pretty obvious from Harte's interviews and newspaper chat that he has zero interest in this league and staying up is his aim and even if we go down is it that bad.
The run last year to the AI Final probably has confirmed his beliefs about you gotta pace yourself and be more ready for July and August rather than worrying should you lose a first round match in Ulster in late May.
With what SHOULD BE two easy games v Derry and Antrim to begin with I'd say Mickey's focus is on 9th June semifinal v Fermanagh or Donegal.

I know I know I shouldn't make assumptions to beat 2 Div four teams.

Re Midfield, I thought Kennedy would be catching a lot more clean ball but I suppose this is all very new to him and he's not really had a good partner in the middle.

One big rumour indeed where we should all back off and stop digging. Do ever learn to stop adding to the bad news that follows us around and let sleeping dogs lie.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 11, 2019, 12:39:52 PM
was conan grugan available yesterday? not sure how ben mc donnell has jumped ahead of him in the pecking order? grugan one of the best footballers in tyrone and needs plenty of gametime in league but maybe he injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2019, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 11, 2019, 11:55:34 AM
Have we seen this before where we go into a new season full of hope and excitement with how good the new recruits look in the McKenna cup and talk of huge competition for places and then it all falls flat on its face.

A few weeks ago we were EXPECTING to win for the first time in a long time down in Killarney but again we are left feeling a little cheated as fans and wonder what the hell is going on.
It seems pretty obvious now that the team has no interest in fighting too hard for a win at this time of year and are just going through the motions. Our lack of an obvious Plan B has risen its head again as we continue to be very predictable and want to run with the ball all the time and then don't know how to break down a defensive blanket.

Brolly and Dessie Dolan were almost creaming themselves last night watching the Kerry v Dubs game and saying this is how football should be played. Poor JC didn't know now whether to interrupt them and disagree with everything Joe said as before or to let them both off the leash.

It seems pretty obvious from Harte's interviews and newspaper chat that he has zero interest in this league and staying up is his aim and even if we go down is it that bad.
The run last year to the AI Final probably has confirmed his beliefs about you gotta pace yourself and be more ready for July and August rather than worrying should you lose a first round match in Ulster in late May.
With what SHOULD BE two easy games v Derry and Antrim to begin with I'd say Mickey's focus is on 9th June semifinal v Fermanagh or Donegal.

I know I know I shouldn't make assumptions to beat 2 Div four teams.

Re Midfield, I thought Kennedy would be catching a lot more clean ball but I suppose this is all very new to him and he's not really had a good partner in the middle.

One big rumour indeed where we should all back off and stop digging. Do ever learn to stop adding to the bad news that follows us around and let sleeping dogs lie.

If you are being completely honest I think there is a lot to be admired with how both teams played on Saturday night. Now whilst I wasn't there at that game nor even the Tyrone game yesterday - elements may/may not have been a factor both Keane and Horan have come in this year and given their attack clear purpose, get it in there. Maybe the inside mark coming in has helped this, but you have to wonder what Harte and O'Neill are telling the tyrone players because there doesn't seem to be one player willing to be selfless and get the head up and kick in straight away. Instead it's a near obsession with safety, getting it sidewards, go back, keep the ball, slow.....My issue is there doesn't seem to be any kind of attacking plan right now. Would that be a fair enough comment?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 11, 2019, 01:34:34 PM
Yes i would agree with a lack of attacking plan. I cant get my head around how they think they are going to win matches without putting the ball over the bar.

You have to imagine their training is focused around defence snd retaining possession. What is the point in steve oneill? he must not be allowed too much input. Havent seen any benefit of him coming into the set up. Hes better off out of it if he is not allowed to input into attacking play. Most teams would love a player of oneills calibre coaching the forwards.

I wouldn't be holding out too much hope that this is some master plan not to peak early. This team cant even get the basics right at the minute.

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2019, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 11, 2019, 11:55:34 AM
Have we seen this before where we go into a new season full of hope and excitement with how good the new recruits look in the McKenna cup and talk of huge competition for places and then it all falls flat on its face.

A few weeks ago we were EXPECTING to win for the first time in a long time down in Killarney but again we are left feeling a little cheated as fans and wonder what the hell is going on.
It seems pretty obvious now that the team has no interest in fighting too hard for a win at this time of year and are just going through the motions. Our lack of an obvious Plan B has risen its head again as we continue to be very predictable and want to run with the ball all the time and then don't know how to break down a defensive blanket.

Brolly and Dessie Dolan were almost creaming themselves last night watching the Kerry v Dubs game and saying this is how football should be played. Poor JC didn't know now whether to interrupt them and disagree with everything Joe said as before or to let them both off the leash.

It seems pretty obvious from Harte's interviews and newspaper chat that he has zero interest in this league and staying up is his aim and even if we go down is it that bad.
The run last year to the AI Final probably has confirmed his beliefs about you gotta pace yourself and be more ready for July and August rather than worrying should you lose a first round match in Ulster in late May.
With what SHOULD BE two easy games v Derry and Antrim to begin with I'd say Mickey's focus is on 9th June semifinal v Fermanagh or Donegal.

I know I know I shouldn't make assumptions to beat 2 Div four teams.

Re Midfield, I thought Kennedy would be catching a lot more clean ball but I suppose this is all very new to him and he's not really had a good partner in the middle.

One big rumour indeed where we should all back off and stop digging. Do ever learn to stop adding to the bad news that follows us around and let sleeping dogs lie.

If you are being completely honest I think there is a lot to be admired with how both teams played on Saturday night. Now whilst I wasn't there at that game nor even the Tyrone game yesterday - elements may/may not have been a factor both Keane and Horan have come in this year and given their attack clear purpose, get it in there. Maybe the inside mark coming in has helped this, but you have to wonder what Harte and O'Neill are telling the tyrone players because there doesn't seem to be one player willing to be selfless and get the head up and kick in straight away. Instead it's a near obsession with safety, getting it sidewards, go back, keep the ball, slow.....My issue is there doesn't seem to be any kind of attacking plan right now. Would that be a fair enough comment?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 11, 2019, 01:59:34 PM
Do you remember the league last year?
It looks like we're a good bit behind other teams in the level of fitness and game plan.

You can obviously see Kerry's new manager had a plan to get his young underage players into the winning mentality and they are scrapping and working like dogs this early in the year. He knows Kerry need to make a statement and come out all guns blazing and they have done that. They will have a lot of belief in themselves now and to bring that you team to a league final will do wonders for their confidence.
Whereas Tyrone and Dublin look to have taken a lot of time off to relax since Sept and are not long back from their well deserved holiday.

That interview Harte did with Teamtalkmag you can see he isn't too bothered about how bad things look and he's saying he thought they played well actually.
I won't be wasting any more money to go see them until May time I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on February 11, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2019, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 11, 2019, 11:55:34 AM
Have we seen this before where we go into a new season full of hope and excitement with how good the new recruits look in the McKenna cup and talk of huge competition for places and then it all falls flat on its face.

A few weeks ago we were EXPECTING to win for the first time in a long time down in Killarney but again we are left feeling a little cheated as fans and wonder what the hell is going on.
It seems pretty obvious now that the team has no interest in fighting too hard for a win at this time of year and are just going through the motions. Our lack of an obvious Plan B has risen its head again as we continue to be very predictable and want to run with the ball all the time and then don't know how to break down a defensive blanket.

Brolly and Dessie Dolan were almost creaming themselves last night watching the Kerry v Dubs game and saying this is how football should be played. Poor JC didn't know now whether to interrupt them and disagree with everything Joe said as before or to let them both off the leash.

It seems pretty obvious from Harte's interviews and newspaper chat that he has zero interest in this league and staying up is his aim and even if we go down is it that bad.
The run last year to the AI Final probably has confirmed his beliefs about you gotta pace yourself and be more ready for July and August rather than worrying should you lose a first round match in Ulster in late May.
With what SHOULD BE two easy games v Derry and Antrim to begin with I'd say Mickey's focus is on 9th June semifinal v Fermanagh or Donegal.

I know I know I shouldn't make assumptions to beat 2 Div four teams.

Re Midfield, I thought Kennedy would be catching a lot more clean ball but I suppose this is all very new to him and he's not really had a good partner in the middle.

One big rumour indeed where we should all back off and stop digging. Do ever learn to stop adding to the bad news that follows us around and let sleeping dogs lie.

If you are being completely honest I think there is a lot to be admired with how both teams played on Saturday night. Now whilst I wasn't there at that game nor even the Tyrone game yesterday - elements may/may not have been a factor both Keane and Horan have come in this year and given their attack clear purpose, get it in there. Maybe the inside mark coming in has helped this, but you have to wonder what Harte and O'Neill are telling the tyrone players because there doesn't seem to be one player willing to be selfless and get the head up and kick in straight away. Instead it's a near obsession with safety, getting it sidewards, go back, keep the ball, slow.....My issue is there doesn't seem to be any kind of attacking plan right now. Would that be a fair enough comment?

Dublin, Kerry and Mayo have a number of forwards that can win their own ball (50/50's) Dean Rock, costello, mannion, paddy Andrews, mcmenamin, Sean o'shea, Clifford (when playing) Geaney, Moran, O'Shea's and O'Connors - in the final of the McKenna cup, Kerry, Mayo and Roscommon to date I have seen our forwards (McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.) have been out muscled, turned over and pushed way down the field defending(McCurry has been exposed for 2 goals against in 2 games now, being in the FB line). This is why I think we are using the running game and trying to pick holes because when Tyrone go direct the percentages of it sticking is poor. Although it will be interesting if McShane stays in there now as a target man / ball winner.

And I hope they all invest in a pair of boots with studs, their are playing in Feb ffs, too much slipping and sliding done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 11, 2019, 02:33:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 11, 2019, 04:00:08 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 10, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 10, 2019, 09:57:47 PM
Does anyone know what the supposed row was about? Must havebeen serious enough to still affect the team

No idea what has happened in this case but there's usually only one reason why lads will fall out among themselves.

Well Dont leave us hanging then ffs.
I can think of 100 or so reasons but in my experience it's usually beer fueled slagging that got out of hand and then lads fall in behind who they're closest with.

Is there any a actual truth to this whole thing at all?

Does someone actually know what rumours of a fall out there was and can they just bloody say who it was on this discussion board!!

Ive heard nothing and im intrigued to know, was it a player fall out among themselves or was it a management/players fall out? 

I was at the game yesterday and it really was shocking, sideways football for 80% of our play,with the exception of Morgan most men looked scared to take a man on and break the line, had Roscommon actually took the game to Tyrone in the last 20 mins they would have bate us by a big margin, but because they had a nice lead they seemed to sit back and try protect their lead and see the game out but Tyrone just kept plugging away, it may only be the league but a team coming out of an All Ireland final should have been buzzing and high on confidence but we look lost at the moment and no confidence at the minute what so ever, we desperately need a few good performances before the championship if we want to make  progression at all or even challenge for it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 11, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 11, 2019, 01:59:34 PM
Do you remember the league last year?
It looks like we're a good bit behind other teams in the level of fitness and game plan.

You can obviously see Kerry's new manager had a plan to get his young underage players into the winning mentality and they are scrapping and working like dogs this early in the year. He knows Kerry need to make a statement and come out all guns blazing and they have done that. They will have a lot of belief in themselves now and to bring that you team to a league final will do wonders for their confidence.
Whereas Tyrone and Dublin look to have taken a lot of time off to relax since Sept and are not long back from their well deserved holiday.

That interview Harte did with Teamtalkmag you can see he isn't too bothered about how bad things look and he's saying he thought they played well actually.
I won't be wasting any more money to go see them until May time I think.

Kerry and Mayo are flying at the minute and I agree that this will do wonders for their confidence however it is the beginning of February and it will be difficult to keep that kind of form up straight through to the end of the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 11, 2019, 02:55:29 PM
Will it matter how fit we are if we hold the ball up in the middle 3rd of the field????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on February 11, 2019, 03:28:09 PM
I cant understand everyone getting so worked up over what we have to watch on a Sunday with this current Tyrone Team. 

To start with we have lost both our inside forwards in Mark Bradley & Conor Mc Aliskey.  Mc Curry whilst decent is not on the same level as these guys so the alternatives are David Mulgrew, Ronan O Neil, Cathal Mc Shane.  This is the reality of what mickey has to work with.  Sure you can try Richard Donnelly at FF, Brian Kennedy Peter Harte etc but the big Problem is we have not produced a top forward post Mulligan, O Neill, Canavan etc.  And with these guys we were spoiled. 

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 11, 2019, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on February 11, 2019, 03:28:09 PM
I cant understand everyone getting so worked up over what we have to watch on a Sunday with this current Tyrone Team. 

To start with we have lost both our inside forwards in Mark Bradley & Conor Mc Aliskey.  Mc Curry whilst decent is not on the same level as these guys so the alternatives are David Mulgrew, Ronan O Neil, Cathal Mc Shane.  This is the reality of what mickey has to work with.  Sure you can try Richard Donnelly at FF, Brian Kennedy Peter Harte etc but the big Problem is we have not produced a top forward post Mulligan, O Neill, Canavan etc.  And with these guys we were spoiled.
so just because we don't have any canavans or Mulligan's on the team we can't play any attacking football? Didn't see many star forwards on Roscommon team yesterday but they still managed 10 points from play in first half. Nonsense post no harm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 11, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
On a serious note i heard last week that club Tyrone have lost 25/30% of Irish based club Tyrone members in the last 12 months..... from a personal experience the amount of people calling for change in the management front is alarming....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 11, 2019, 06:23:51 PM
Nearly every club has a Cairde scheme which could be reasons numbers down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 11, 2019, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 11, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
On a serious note i heard last week that club Tyrone have lost 25/30% of Irish based club Tyrone members in the last 12 months..... from a personal experience the amount of people calling for change in the management front is alarming....
did canavan not say this in independent lately? 200 club Tyrone members gone. Think he was blaming county board rather than management though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 11, 2019, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 11, 2019, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 11, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
On a serious note i heard last week that club Tyrone have lost 25/30% of Irish based club Tyrone members in the last 12 months..... from a personal experience the amount of people calling for change in the management front is alarming....
did canavan not say this in independent lately? 200 club Tyrone members gone. Think he was blaming county board rather than management though.

Wouldn't alot of these, if not all, be ones finishing their 5 year commitment? I'd be interested to hear if any of them are cancellations.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 11, 2019, 10:26:31 PM
Does anyone know what is happening training wise? Seen Hampsey saying they are working on their forward play by this i assume it is the few balls we seen hit into mcshane.

Hopefully with the break we can see more signs following
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 12, 2019, 09:19:48 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 11, 2019, 10:26:31 PM
Does anyone know what is happening training wise? Seen Hampsey saying they are working on their forward play by this i assume it is the few balls we seen hit into mcshane.

Hopefully with the break we can see more signs following

In the first 15 or 20 minutes there were a few good balls played in which McShane won. I remember McGeary hitting a couple of good ones in particular. The problem then was that McShane was isolated against an extra defender so he didn't have room to get a shot off and we didn't have runners close enough to him to take the ball off the shoulder.

This reminded me of the first 20 minutes v Mayo when we played some great balls into Harte and Brennan in the full forward line but not much ultimately came of them. As the year goes on I hope we can persevere with this tactic and just try and get men closer to the receiver which should result in more scores. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 12, 2019, 10:57:23 AM
McShane's finishing for goals is poor. Butchered our only goal chance the other day, butchered one in the AI final too and McKenna cup final this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on February 12, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 11, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
On a serious note i heard last week that club Tyrone have lost 25/30% of Irish based club Tyrone members in the last 12 months..... from a personal experience the amount of people calling for change in the management front is alarming....

Without club Tyrone garvaghey never would exist, the income brought in each year is needed for the upkeep of it and if you say they're down up to 30% that's a big blow

Could we see Garvaghey as a white elephant or will the cunty board be red out in time to avoid this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Delegater on February 12, 2019, 05:02:02 PM
Did every club not have to pay £5k per year for three years when first built?

Then they have the cheek to charge clubs to use it.

Designed in the shape of celtic T-have you ever heard of such BS? Im sure the birds in the sky love the design but the players  detest the place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 12, 2019, 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: Delegater on February 12, 2019, 05:02:02 PM
Did every club not have to pay £5k per year for three years when first built?

Then they have the cheek to charge clubs to use it.

Designed in the shape of celtic T-have you ever heard of such BS? Im sure the birds in the sky love the design but the players  detest the place.

One of our counties largest main contractors were heavily involved in the garvaghey scheme and strongly advised them not to proceed with the T option. they were then asked to no longer be involved in the design and it was approved by others with no construction experience.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 13, 2019, 08:37:10 AM
Quote from: youhavenofans on February 12, 2019, 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: Delegater on February 12, 2019, 05:02:02 PM
Did every club not have to pay £5k per year for three years when first built?

Then they have the cheek to charge clubs to use it.

Designed in the shape of celtic T-have you ever heard of such BS? Im sure the birds in the sky love the design but the players  detest the place.

One of our counties largest main contractors were heavily involved in the garvaghey scheme and strongly advised them not to proceed with the T option. they were then asked to no longer be involved in the design and it was approved by others with no construction experience.


Surely thats not true!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 13, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: wee scully on February 12, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 11, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
On a serious note i heard last week that club Tyrone have lost 25/30% of Irish based club Tyrone members in the last 12 months..... from a personal experience the amount of people calling for change in the management front is alarming....

Without club Tyrone garvaghey never would exist, the income brought in each year is needed for the upkeep of it and if you say they're down up to 30% that's a big blow

Could we see Garvaghey as a white elephant or will the cunty board be red out in time to avoid this

I see you red Spillane's arcticle yesterday!
Dont know if it could be a "white elephant", the facilities are being used all the time, sorry i shud reword that, the demand for the facilites would be high but pitches constantly closed or else the Lord Mayor doesnt want anyone else on it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 13, 2019, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 13, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: wee scully on February 12, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 11, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
On a serious note i heard last week that club Tyrone have lost 25/30% of Irish based club Tyrone members in the last 12 months..... from a personal experience the amount of people calling for change in the management front is alarming....

Without club Tyrone garvaghey never would exist, the income brought in each year is needed for the upkeep of it and if you say they're down up to 30% that's a big blow

Could we see Garvaghey as a white elephant or will the cunty board be red out in time to avoid this

I see you red Spillane's arcticle yesterday!
Dont know if it could be a "white elephant", the facilities are being used all the time, sorry i shud reword that, the demand for the facilites would be high but pitches constantly closed or else the Lord Mayor doesnt want anyone else on it!


Is Garvaghy paying for its self??? i would think it has to subsidised via Club Tyrone.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on February 13, 2019, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 13, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: wee scully on February 12, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 11, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
On a serious note i heard last week that club Tyrone have lost 25/30% of Irish based club Tyrone members in the last 12 months..... from a personal experience the amount of people calling for change in the management front is alarming....

Without club Tyrone garvaghey never would exist, the income brought in each year is needed for the upkeep of it and if you say they're down up to 30% that's a big blow

Could we see Garvaghey as a white elephant or will the cunty board be red out in time to avoid this

I see you red Spillane's arcticle yesterday!
Dont know if it could be a "white elephant", the facilities are being used all the time, sorry i shud reword that, the demand for the facilites would be high but pitches constantly closed or else the Lord Mayor doesnt want anyone else on it!

Lord Mayor's vanity project 101, no need for it at all, as for the celtic T  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 13, 2019, 03:48:17 PM
Club Tyrone have lost 200 members @£500 per year. That's £100000 per year gone. Any wonder prices for club league games went up last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on February 14, 2019, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 13, 2019, 03:48:17 PM
Club Tyrone have lost 200 members @£500 per year. That's £100000 per year gone. Any wonder prices for club league games went up last year.

Just shows what you know about Club football within our County.

All gates collected at Club League games go directly to the host Clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 14, 2019, 11:10:26 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 14, 2019, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 13, 2019, 03:48:17 PM
Club Tyrone have lost 200 members @£500 per year. That's £100000 per year gone. Any wonder prices for club league games went up last year.

Just shows what you know about Club football within our County.

All gates collected at Club League games go directly to the host Clubs.
then indirectly back to the county board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 16, 2019, 08:01:26 PM
Coleman impressive in the sigerson match today
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on February 18, 2019, 10:00:40 AM
I would have went up last year to do laps around the track at Garvaghey which is approx a mile long and has lights around it so you could run in the evening time. This year i landed up and was told that the lights were not going to be switched on, when i asked why i was told that its just the way it is. The thing is people were walking around the track using the light of their phones, if someone fell and hurt themselves there would be some craic. Why are they leaving themselves open for this.
I find it strange when GAA clubs around the county are promoting the "couch to 5k" scheme that this place cant even put on a few lights.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on February 21, 2019, 08:06:40 AM
well whats the thoughts on the monaghan game.
will we see a tactical masterclass or a return to 2 sweepers. will matty peetey and tiernaneey solo like gaelic gods into blind channels turn and give it back to our midfield 10. will horse stop shouting back back back. will nialeee solo up the field and launch one like the legendary one in roscommon. will any man kick it forward. questions questions. turgid tyrone versus miserable monaghan. why dont they just have a free taking competition between the 2nd and 3 rd best keepers in ulster to decide whos going down. mickey could hold a photo of colm cavnagh and horse could recite the hail mary in irish with help from tg4 to put beggan off and o rourke could hold up a picture of ballbofey and get that dromore eejit to roar in his face. be easier to hold it in garvaghey too if some one coud get 50p for the meter. gaelic football bloody hell
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 21, 2019, 09:38:25 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 21, 2019, 08:06:40 AM
well whats the thoughts on the monaghan game.
will we see a tactical masterclass or a return to 2 sweepers. will matty peetey and tiernaneey solo like gaelic gods into blind channels turn and give it back to our midfield 10. will horse stop shouting back back back. will nialeee solo up the field and launch one like the legendary one in roscommon. will any man kick it forward. questions questions. turgid tyrone versus miserable monaghan. why dont they just have a free taking competition between the 2nd and 3 rd best keepers in ulster to decide whos going down. mickey could hold a photo of colm cavnagh and horse could recite the hail mary in irish with help from tg4 to put beggan off and o rourke could hold up a picture of ballbofey and get that dromore eejit to roar in his face. be easier to hold it in garvaghey too if some one coud get 50p for the meter. gaelic football bloody hell

Monaghan should win handy enough then? 2nd and 3rd best keepers in Ulster - I know I shouldn't.....but, go on....who is #1 ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 21, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 21, 2019, 09:38:25 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 21, 2019, 08:06:40 AM
well whats the thoughts on the monaghan game.
will we see a tactical masterclass or a return to 2 sweepers. will matty peetey and tiernaneey solo like gaelic gods into blind channels turn and give it back to our midfield 10. will horse stop shouting back back back. will nialeee solo up the field and launch one like the legendary one in roscommon. will any man kick it forward. questions questions. turgid tyrone versus miserable monaghan. why dont they just have a free taking competition between the 2nd and 3 rd best keepers in ulster to decide whos going down. mickey could hold a photo of colm cavnagh and horse could recite the hail mary in irish with help from tg4 to put beggan off and o rourke could hold up a picture of ballbofey and get that dromore eejit to roar in his face. be easier to hold it in garvaghey too if some one coud get 50p for the meter. gaelic football bloody hell

Monaghan should win handy enough then? 2nd and 3rd best keepers in Ulster - I know I shouldn't.....but, go on....who is #1 ?

Ahhh don't bite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 21, 2019, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 21, 2019, 08:06:40 AM
well whats the thoughts on the monaghan game.
will we see a tactical masterclass or a return to 2 sweepers. will matty peetey and tiernaneey solo like gaelic gods into blind channels turn and give it back to our midfield 10. will horse stop shouting back back back. will nialeee solo up the field and launch one like the legendary one in roscommon. will any man kick it forward. questions questions. turgid tyrone versus miserable monaghan. why dont they just have a free taking competition between the 2nd and 3 rd best keepers in ulster to decide whos going down. mickey could hold a photo of colm cavnagh and horse could recite the hail mary in irish with help from tg4 to put beggan off and o rourke could hold up a picture of ballbofey and get that dromore eejit to roar in his face. be easier to hold it in garvaghey too if some one coud get 50p for the meter. gaelic football bloody hell

It's February. Chill the beans!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 21, 2019, 01:29:18 PM
When is the last time we actually seen this mythical Mickey tactical masterclass?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on February 21, 2019, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 21, 2019, 09:38:25 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on February 21, 2019, 08:06:40 AM
well whats the thoughts on the monaghan game.
will we see a tactical masterclass or a return to 2 sweepers. will matty peetey and tiernaneey solo like gaelic gods into blind channels turn and give it back to our midfield 10. will horse stop shouting back back back. will nialeee solo up the field and launch one like the legendary one in roscommon. will any man kick it forward. questions questions. turgid tyrone versus miserable monaghan. why dont they just have a free taking competition between the 2nd and 3 rd best keepers in ulster to decide whos going down. mickey could hold a photo of colm cavnagh and horse could recite the hail mary in irish with help from tg4 to put beggan off and o rourke could hold up a picture of ballbofey and get that dromore eejit to roar in his face. be easier to hold it in garvaghey too if some one coud get 50p for the meter. gaelic football bloody hell

Monaghan should win handy enough then? 2nd and 3rd best keepers in Ulster - I know I shouldn't.....but, go on....who is #1 ?
Big Oz
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 21, 2019, 09:42:34 PM
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc

2 Liam Rafferty An Gallbhaile

3 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin

4 Michael McKernan Oileán a'Ghuail

5 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair

6 Pádraig Hampsey Oileán a'Ghuail

7 Ben McDonnell Aireagal Chiaráin

8 Brian Kennedy Doire Lochain

9 Richard Donnelly Trí Leac

10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac

11 Niall Sludden An Droim Mhór

12 Frank Burns Cabhán a'Chaortainn

13 Cathal McShane E. R. Uí Néill

14 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin

15 Kieran McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

16 Benny Gallen Achadh Uí Aráin

17 Lee Brennan Trí Leac

18 Rory Brennan Trí Leac

19 Michael Cassidy Ard Bó

20 Kyle Coney Ard Bó

21 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo

22 Declan McClure Cluain Eo

23 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin

24 Hugh Pat McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

25 Ciaran McLaughlin An Ómaigh

26 Conor Meyler An Ómaigh

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 21, 2019, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 21, 2019, 09:42:34 PM
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc

2 Liam Rafferty An Gallbhaile

3 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin

4 Michael McKernan Oileán a'Ghuail

5 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair

6 Pádraig Hampsey Oileán a'Ghuail

7 Ben McDonnell Aireagal Chiaráin

8 Brian Kennedy Doire Lochain

9 Richard Donnelly Trí Leac

10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac

11 Niall Sludden An Droim Mhór

12 Frank Burns Cabhán a'Chaortainn

13 Cathal McShane E. R. Uí Néill

14 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin

15 Kieran McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

16 Benny Gallen Achadh Uí Aráin

17 Lee Brennan Trí Leac

18 Rory Brennan Trí Leac

19 Michael Cassidy Ard Bó

20 Kyle Coney Ard Bó

21 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo

22 Declan McClure Cluain Eo

23 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin

24 Hugh Pat McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

25 Ciaran McLaughlin An Ómaigh

26 Conor Meyler An Ómaigh
is this the actual team or just a joke one you made up for a laugh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 21, 2019, 09:53:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 21, 2019, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 21, 2019, 09:42:34 PM
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc

2 Liam Rafferty An Gallbhaile

3 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin

4 Michael McKernan Oileán a'Ghuail

5 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair

6 Pádraig Hampsey Oileán a'Ghuail

7 Ben McDonnell Aireagal Chiaráin

8 Brian Kennedy Doire Lochain

9 Richard Donnelly Trí Leac

10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac

11 Niall Sludden An Droim Mhór

12 Frank Burns Cabhán a'Chaortainn

13 Cathal McShane E. R. Uí Néill

14 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin

15 Kieran McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

16 Benny Gallen Achadh Uí Aráin

17 Lee Brennan Trí Leac

18 Rory Brennan Trí Leac

19 Michael Cassidy Ard Bó

20 Kyle Coney Ard Bó

21 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo

22 Declan McClure Cluain Eo

23 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin

24 Hugh Pat McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn

25 Ciaran McLaughlin An Ómaigh

26 Conor Meyler An Ómaigh
is this the actual team or just a joke one you made up for a laugh?

Unfortunately not. Very uninspiring
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 21, 2019, 10:09:29 PM
A few personnel slipping down the pecking order is Conan Grugan injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 21, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
grugan, mc curry and r o neill gone from the 26? not many scores in that full forward line either. v poor looking team on paper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 21, 2019, 10:17:45 PM
Kieran mcgeary at corner forward?!?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 21, 2019, 10:24:45 PM
Surely Grugan or Coney worth a run out? Not like anyone has been impressive so far, could argue no forwards in that team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 22, 2019, 08:44:58 AM
Sweet Jesus - only 3 'out and out' forwards in the 26. Everyone of the front six actually named on the starting team are arguably better as midfielders or defenders. Is this the beginning of the end?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 22, 2019, 09:36:49 AM
It's a strange looking team on paper and I don't think it'll line out as selected. Ritchie Donnelly could end up going to full forward for example.

There aren't many out and out forwards but who else have we? Coney or Grugan are more half forward/attacking midfield type players. McCurry and Brennan both tried and struggled to win  ball when kicked to them. I think Brennan is better suited to coming of the bench at this stage, Coney may well be the same.

Harte is more dangerous and a better ball winner up there than the other players named. He got a lot of ball in the first half v Mayo and should have had 3 or 4 points but dropped a couple short. Also when he did win the ball there was no support runners. I've no problem with him playing up there if he gets a bit of support.

McCurry is possibly injured if not named in the 26, Grugan could be the same.

I am expecting a big improvement tomorrow night. It's been a poor start to the league but we aren't as bad as we have looked to date.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OffTheDeck on February 22, 2019, 09:38:55 AM
Why does Mickey persist with Aidan McCrory. Waste of a place in the panel for a decent footballer or at least someone who can solo a ball. Scrap
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 22, 2019, 09:39:32 AM
Another thing I'd like to see tomorrow night is players taking on more responsibility for getting scores. Too many players have been taking the easy option and recycling the ball. We had a gale force wind the last day and players weren't having a go at all.

Although we haven't many out and out full forward type players on the team we have 8/9 players on the team well capable of kicking scores.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on February 22, 2019, 09:41:56 AM
If Errigals last run to a county final taught us anything its that Hartes can play full forward as well anyone especially Coneys drafted to the AFL or who scored 8 from play against Cork in D1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 22, 2019, 10:12:30 AM
That was one of the few games Coney showed his potential for Tyrone. From memory he was hyped up after it, got tightly marked v the Dubs in the next game and never got on the ball. I think out the pitch suits his game better currently. Really wanted to see him have a few shots v Roscommon as he has the ability to get long range scores that are very useful v a blanket defence.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 22, 2019, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 22, 2019, 09:36:49 AM
It's a strange looking team on paper and I don't think it'll line out as selected. Ritchie Donnelly could end up going to full forward for example.

There aren't many out and out forwards but who else have we? Coney or Grugan are more half forward/attacking midfield type players. McCurry and Brennan both tried and struggled to win  ball when kicked to them. I think Brennan is better suited to coming of the bench at this stage, Coney may well be the same.

Harte is more dangerous and a better ball winner up there than the other players named. He got a lot of ball in the first half v Mayo and should have had 3 or 4 points but dropped a couple short. Also when he did win the ball there was no support runners. I've no problem with him playing up there if he gets a bit of support.

McCurry is possibly injured if not named in the 26, Grugan could be the same.

I am expecting a big improvement tomorrow night. It's been a poor start to the league but we aren't as bad as we have looked to date.

Wedding in family.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: freeout23 on February 22, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
Not a scoring forward in the 15, why they continue to play cathal mcshane at 13 and kieran mcgeary at 15 is a complete joke. meanwhile you have richard donnelly in midfield who is hardly fit to run the length of himself
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 22, 2019, 12:38:03 PM
I expect Tyrone to be poor and get beat again. If thats the case the regulation is likely. Serious questions must then be asked.

The whole its only Feb or its only the league doesnt wash with me. If players cant kick the ball over the bar or win the breaking ball now then its not going to improve by June/July.

I could see past it if there was a raft of new players in the squad but this has been more or less the same squad for over 3 years now. Same problems year after year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 22, 2019, 02:58:36 PM
Team to me looks like Tyrone are going to try two bigger men inside of whatever variety?

Donnelly lads/Cathal McShane/Kennedy all potentially likely for something like this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 22, 2019, 03:10:37 PM
What do ye think of big Kennedy at MF?
I know he's new and still young but I've been disappointed by him so far but I know it's only February and he's been thrown in at the deep end with no recognized seasoned partner.

Good to see Skeet back in the subs but I still get the feeling Mickey is holding back his possible summer forwards until the summer.
I've already seen enough of Coney to think he'll be used at 11 later on.
Mickey knows we're in that chasing pack after Dublin and isn't gonna reveal too much this time of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 22, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 22, 2019, 03:10:37 PM
What do ye think of big Kennedy at MF?
I know he's new and still young but I've been disappointed by him so far but I know it's only February and he's been thrown in at the deep end with no recognized seasoned partner.

Good to see Skeet back in the subs but I still get the feeling Mickey is holding back his possible summer forwards until the summer.
I've already seen enough of Coney to think he'll be used at 11 later on.
Mickey knows we're in that chasing pack after Dublin and isn't gonna reveal too much this time of the year.

Fuzz, with all due respect we have nothing to reveal. We have no new players that will set the world alight (bar Canavan but it is too early for him). It appears to be same system, same players, same subs, same tactics, same excuses so I wonder what there is that he can reveal....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 22, 2019, 04:23:23 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 22, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 22, 2019, 03:10:37 PM
What do ye think of big Kennedy at MF?
I know he's new and still young but I've been disappointed by him so far but I know it's only February and he's been thrown in at the deep end with no recognized seasoned partner.

Good to see Skeet back in the subs but I still get the feeling Mickey is holding back his possible summer forwards until the summer.
I've already seen enough of Coney to think he'll be used at 11 later on.
Mickey knows we're in that chasing pack after Dublin and isn't gonna reveal too much this time of the year.

Fuzz, with all due respect we have nothing to reveal. We have no new players that will set the world alight (bar Canavan but it is too early for him). It appears to be same system, same players, same subs, same tactics, same excuses so I wonder what there is that he can reveal....

If you take the positive slant (and feck knows someone needs to on this thread)..we got to an AI final and were 5-1 up in it with these players / system. IF we hadn't panicked a little and gone for stupid shots history might have been different. Maybe

We now have a wiser (hopefully fitter) Coney on board, Canavan Jnr and (come Summer) a fit Skeet + Richie D., with McCurry as another option.

So lets not get carried away right now - we are a hard ground type of team and you peak in Summer, not Easter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on February 22, 2019, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 22, 2019, 03:10:37 PM
What do ye think of big Kennedy at MF?
I know he's new and still young but I've been disappointed by him so far but I know it's only February and he's been thrown in at the deep end with no recognized seasoned partner.

Good to see Skeet back in the subs but I still get the feeling Mickey is holding back his possible summer forwards until the summer.
I've already seen enough of Coney to think he'll be used at 11 later on.
Mickey knows we're in that chasing pack after Dublin and isn't gonna reveal too much this time of the year.

I think you're right about Kyle, as for big Kennedy you'd be as well with my mother in law standing in the middle a the park and she's kilt with a bad back and an in-growing toenail

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on February 23, 2019, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 22, 2019, 03:10:37 PM
What do ye think of big Kennedy at MF?
I know he's new and still young but I've been disappointed by him so far but I know it's only February and he's been thrown in at the deep end with no recognized seasoned partner.

Good to see Skeet back in the subs but I still get the feeling Mickey is holding back his possible summer forwards until the summer.
I've already seen enough of Coney to think he'll be used at 11 later on.
Mickey knows we're in that chasing pack after Dublin and isn't gonna reveal too much this time of the year.

Enlighten us as to what exactly this secret reveal will be come summertime  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 23, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
Harte has picked 6 backs in forward line. He thinks a lot of the attacking talent in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 23, 2019, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 23, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
Harte has picked 6 backs in forward line. He thinks a lot of the attacking talent in the county.
listen, we just don't have any o neills or Mulligan's any more blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on February 23, 2019, 07:04:22 PM
Any streams for tonight's game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 23, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
Well, feck the begrudgers, I enjoyed that tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 23, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 23, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
Well, feck the begrudgers, I enjoyed that tonight.
you must be a sad f**k if you enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ctrallying on February 23, 2019, 09:23:03 PM
The only thing i cant figure out were Tyrone good or monaghan shite,nice to see some early ball into the forward line moving foward i hope we can make it work
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 23, 2019, 09:30:46 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on February 23, 2019, 09:23:03 PM
The only thing i cant figure out were Tyrone good or monaghan shite,nice to see some early ball into the forward line moving foward i hope we can make it work

That was good to see, got so many scores off it. Petey Harte was unreal tonight. Real pity that chip didn't go in, would have been a contender for goal of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 23, 2019, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 23, 2019, 09:30:46 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on February 23, 2019, 09:23:03 PM
The only thing i cant figure out were Tyrone good or monaghan shite,nice to see some early ball into the forward line moving foward i hope we can make it work

That was good to see, got so many scores off it. Petey Harte was unreal tonight. Real pity that chip didn't go in, would have been a contender for goal of the year.

At least we were getting men up to support the player receiving the long ball. I think that was a major improvement from previous weeks were the likes of Harte and McShane we're winning long balls in but had nobody running off them. I thought Ritchie had a very good first half, his ability to pick a pass was a major addition to our attack.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 23, 2019, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 23, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 23, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
Well, feck the begrudgers, I enjoyed that tonight.
you must be a sad f**k if you enjoyed that.

Winning by 7 points against a team that beat Dublin a few weeks ago. Not bad goin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 23, 2019, 09:55:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 23, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
Harte has picked 6 backs in forward line. He thinks a lot of the attacking talent in the county.

6 backs my backside. Tyrone had their most effective attacking threats on the pitch tonight and they put in a great performance. The difference to the earlier games was the support play and follow up to the bal kicked in. Also Mattie was a very effective ball winner inside.

A lot was made of the team selection for this one but it proved spot on. The players that people see as scoring forwards who got goes previously really struggled to win their own ball and rightly didn't start tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 23, 2019, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2019, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 23, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 23, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
Well, feck the begrudgers, I enjoyed that tonight.
you must be a sad f**k if you enjoyed that.

Winning by 7 points against a team that beat Dublin a few weeks ago. Not bad goin.

Ah let him go. The sad git will need something to give out about until the next game. No idea how he hadn't been banned for some of the comments in recent weeks. Never mind the multiple accounts he uses to spout the same crap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 23, 2019, 10:19:49 PM
What's the story with Lee Brennan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 23, 2019, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 23, 2019, 10:19:49 PM
What's the story with Lee Brennan?

I hope come the summer he is an impact sub
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 24, 2019, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 23, 2019, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2019, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 23, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 23, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
Well, feck the begrudgers, I enjoyed that tonight.
you must be a sad f**k if you enjoyed that.

Winning by 7 points against a team that beat Dublin a few weeks ago. Not bad goin.

Ah let him go. The sad git will need something to give out about until the next game. No idea how he hadn't been banned for some of the comments in recent weeks. Never mind the multiple accounts he uses to spout the same crap.
I think he was, we had peace for a week or so. His comment was as bad as one I've seen here. Should have got a perm ban for it. Disgusting comment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 25, 2019, 09:34:48 AM
You can look at the table and say we only beat the bottom team so let's not get carried away but the fact was that was a relegation battle and had we not won we were under real pressure of going down.
It looked a strange team on paper but I suppose when we see how well they played it shows how adaptable some of these players are. As RH Santa said above, the other more natural forwards have been struggling to win their own ball or use it well so maybe Mickey was right to go with more "robust" players who might not have LB's silky skills but McGeary is a typical example of being able to kick a score from play when he gets the chance.
The Petey at FF experiment certainly came to fruition and before the game you would have thought against Monaghan this was not the game for him to shine there.

We were like a different team than in the other three games and whilst it is still only February, it's good to see we can move up a few gears and deliver a performance like that. Same again against Cavan will do nicely.

Great to see Skeet come back into the team again and I think Morgan has finally "grown up" and looks a lot more assured and not always an accident waiting to happen. I noticed was it the Kerry keeper was away up the pitch in their game too v Galway. The game sure has changed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 25, 2019, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: freeout23 on February 22, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
Not a scoring forward in the 15, why they continue to play cathal mcshane at 13 and kieran mcgeary at 15 is a complete joke. meanwhile you have richard donnelly in midfield who is hardly fit to run the length of himself

A few good scores from play from cathal mcshane and kieran mcgeary . Meanwhile  richard donnelly was superb in midfield and finally good to see a man who was releasing long diagonal balls into the FFL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 25, 2019, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 25, 2019, 09:34:48 AM
You can look at the table and say we only beat the bottom team so let's not get carried away but the fact was that was a relegation battle and had we not won we were under real pressure of going down.
It looked a strange team on paper but I suppose when we see how well they played it shows how adaptable some of these players are. As RH Santa said above, the other more natural forwards have been struggling to win their own ball or use it well so maybe Mickey was right to go with more "robust" players who might not have LB's silky skills but McGeary is a typical example of being able to kick a score from play when he gets the chance.
The Petey at FF experiment certainly came to fruition and before the game you would have thought against Monaghan this was not the game for him to shine there.

We were like a different team than in the other three games and whilst it is still only February, it's good to see we can move up a few gears and deliver a performance like that. Same again against Cavan will do nicely.

Great to see Skeet come back into the team again and I think Morgan has finally "grown up" and looks a lot more assured and not always an accident waiting to happen. I noticed was it the Kerry keeper was away up the pitch in their game too v Galway. The game sure has changed.

Saturday night was Mattie's best game in a while also. He was a great outlet for the kickpass coming out of defence and won almost every ball that went in to him. He must have set up 6 or 7 scores between winning frees and laying the ball off, while he also had a hand in the goal.

I thought it was a great display all in all but the usual caveats about February football still apply. Interesting that after Mayo lost meekly on Saturday night they are already being written off in some quarters, despite being touted as Dublins closest challengers beforehand on the back of their opening 3 wins. I think it's time people realise that none of the big teams are going full pelt at this time of year and that the quality of performances are going to vary. For all the big teams the priority is avoiding relegation and trying to improve their options ahead of championship, anything more is a bonus. `
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 25, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
Yeah it's certainly a lot easier to watch if you have men inside that can win the ball and bring others into play like the ball into Mattie that he turned back out, laid it off to Sludden for a nice finish from the angle.
We've got two winnable games at home v Cavan and Galway and then hopefully we dont need anything from our trip to Croker on Paddy's eve though Cavan will take heart with their good win over the Rossies and Galway are always hard to break down.

Has the squad been trimmed back then? Who has gone?
What do people think of Ben O'Donnell then? Another big strong lad that can play anywhere from 5 to 12?

Is Collie C gonna sit out the whole league? Is he injured or being rested?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on February 25, 2019, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 25, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
Yeah it's certainly a lot easier to watch if you have men inside that can win the ball and bring others into play like the ball into Mattie that he turned back out, laid it off to Sludden for a nice finish from the angle.
We've got two winnable games at home v Cavan and Galway and then hopefully we dont need anything from our trip to Croker on Paddy's eve though Cavan will take heart with their good win over the Rossies and Galway are always hard to break down.

Has the squad been trimmed back then? Who has gone?
What do people think of Ben O'Donnell then? Another big strong lad that can play anywhere from 5 to 12?

Is Collie C gonna sit out the whole league? Is he injured or being rested?

Thought he was very solid on Saturday. Little raw with his decision making when through on goal - but very solid and strong coming out with the ball.

The thing is - we could field 15 of that type of player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on February 25, 2019, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 25, 2019, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 25, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
Yeah it's certainly a lot easier to watch if you have men inside that can win the ball and bring others into play like the ball into Mattie that he turned back out, laid it off to Sludden for a nice finish from the angle.
We've got two winnable games at home v Cavan and Galway and then hopefully we dont need anything from our trip to Croker on Paddy's eve though Cavan will take heart with their good win over the Rossies and Galway are always hard to break down.

Has the squad been trimmed back then? Who has gone?
What do people think of Ben O'Donnell then? Another big strong lad that can play anywhere from 5 to 12?

Is Collie C gonna sit out the whole league? Is he injured or being rested?

Thought he was very solid on Saturday. Little raw with his decision making when through on goal - but very solid and strong coming out with the ball.

The thing is - we could field 15 of that type of player.
Did well on Saturday night but I don't think he's the best option available in the squad. Thought after his performances last year, Rory Brennan would be a certain starter in the team but unused sub again on Saturday.
Tiernan Mccann was worryingly off the pace against Monaghan as well, is he just undroppable?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 25, 2019, 10:14:45 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on February 25, 2019, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 25, 2019, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 25, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
Yeah it's certainly a lot easier to watch if you have men inside that can win the ball and bring others into play like the ball into Mattie that he turned back out, laid it off to Sludden for a nice finish from the angle.
We've got two winnable games at home v Cavan and Galway and then hopefully we dont need anything from our trip to Croker on Paddy's eve though Cavan will take heart with their good win over the Rossies and Galway are always hard to break down.

Has the squad been trimmed back then? Who has gone?
What do people think of Ben O'Donnell then? Another big strong lad that can play anywhere from 5 to 12?

Is Collie C gonna sit out the whole league? Is he injured or being rested?

Thought he was very solid on Saturday. Little raw with his decision making when through on goal - but very solid and strong coming out with the ball.

The thing is - we could field 15 of that type of player.
Did well on Saturday night but I don't think he's the best option available in the squad. Thought after his performances last year, Rory Brennan would be a certain starter in the team but unused sub again on Saturday.
Tiernan Mccann was worryingly off the pace against Monaghan as well, is he just undroppable?

Agree with TMcC looking off the pace, though he looked similar when he returned from injury last year but upped it in the super 8s
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on February 25, 2019, 10:30:08 PM
Looked like TMcC was doing a tracking / Man marking job on Saturday evening. Followed his man  ..not on the ball that much
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 26, 2019, 09:04:19 AM
Rory Brennan certainly has had an interesting time since he moved up from the U21 squad. I think he was one of the first of that U21 squad to move into senior yet he's still to really nail down a starting place.
I'd say he would really benefit from a good run of games. Meyler is another one who seems to come in and out of the team a lot. He looks to have really bulked up recently but then again they all have, even McCurry.

It's vital we beat Cavan on Sunday as Galway and Dublin will be two tough fixtures
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on February 27, 2019, 12:15:47 AM
That was decent on Saturday. More support for ball-winning forwards. Definitely think PH is suited closer to goal, and eventually Mattie might join him.

Downside is, and it's early, can't see how we might trouble the top 2/3 sides if we meet them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 27, 2019, 08:19:01 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 27, 2019, 12:15:47 AM
That was decent on Saturday. More support for ball-winning forwards. Definitely think PH is suited closer to goal, and eventually Mattie might join him.

Downside is, and it's early, can't see how we might trouble the top 2/3 sides if we meet them.

If you took Dublin out of the equation I think the other teams are all far from unbeatable. Kerry are a work in progress and may well push on this championship but there is no guarantee. They struggled badly last year and are relying on a lot of inexperienced players. Mayo are probably the opposite in that they are relying on players who have been there for a long time and possibly past their best. I'd give Tyrone a fair chance against both.

Crazy reading back on some of the comments from the experts on here in recent weeks basically saying Tyrone had no chance against Monaghan, half the team was useless (including Petey Harte), their were no forwards on the team and Harte didn't have a notion. Even young Ben McDonnell has been subject to some harsh comments even before he'd played because of his club. For what it's worth I thought he did fairly well on Saturday night and didn't look out of place.

I agree about Harte and Donnelly being pushed forward. Ideally you'd probably push one of them up but none of the out and out forwards are stepping up so far. The likes of Brennan can be a very good impact sub as shown v Donegal last year but I don't think he'd be as effective starting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 27, 2019, 10:45:05 AM
I never take the comments of a lot of fans too seriously and that even includes older and wiser men.
I think a lot of people just react and overreact a lot to games just after they happen. Most fans tend to overstate who good the team or performance was when they win and how terrible the situation is when we lose.
I get the feeling Mickey doesn't want to show his hand too much before the summer and every year we go into the league with high hopes for them to be dashed big time. Personally though I'd say this team would benefit from winning a league and give them some belief. Getting to the final was good progress last year despite not beating Mayo or Kerry but to beat Donegal in their own back yard was a big deal.

With such an abundance of half backs and hard working half forwards maybe its time to push Mattie and Petey into the FF line come championship where both of them have played on and off before. I'd say McCurry, Skeet or Brennan would love playing alongside both or one of those two although Richie did OK in there last year too I thought.

Summer football is so different to league football and players like Brennan thrive a lot better with firmer pitches and sunny days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 27, 2019, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Ireland2019 on February 27, 2019, 09:52:13 PM
What is this years u20 team like?

Young
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on February 27, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 27, 2019, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Ireland2019 on February 27, 2019, 09:52:13 PM
What is this years u20 team like?

Young
Any squad list?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on February 28, 2019, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 27, 2019, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Ireland2019 on February 27, 2019, 09:52:13 PM
What is this years u20 team like?

Young

Yeah, I heard they are all under 20! ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 28, 2019, 11:57:25 AM
Cavan game simply must win.

Tyrone will get nothing from Dublin at Croke afterwards. I duno if you would fancy playing Galway needing something in the last game but looking at the fixtures of Cavan, Roscommon and Monaghan you think 2 pts on Saturday and you could turn your attention to the Ulster Championship after a dreadful start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 28, 2019, 03:52:28 PM
With Roscommon playing Dublin and Monaghan away to Kerry you would imagine both those two will lose so
Should we beat Cavan we'll be on 5 with Mayo home to Galway so we could even end up 4th come Sunday night.

1 Kerry            4   4   0   0   9   8
2 Mayo            4   3   0   1   7   6
3 Dublin           4   2   0   2   15   4
4 Galway         4   2   0   2   -9   4
5 Tyrone          4   1   1   2   -6   3
6 Roscommon   4   1   1   2   -8   3
7 Cavan           4   1   0   3   -1   2
8 Monaghan     4   1   0   3   -7   2

Interesting headline in today's Irish News.
Tyrone primed to unleash attacking 'fury' against Cavan, says Tiernan McCann
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 28, 2019, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2019, 03:52:28 PM
With Roscommon playing Dublin and Monaghan away to Kerry you would imagine both those two will lose so
Should we beat Cavan we'll be on 5 with Mayo home to Galway so we could even end up 4th come Sunday night.

1 Kerry            4   4   0   0   9   8
2 Mayo            4   3   0   1   7   6
3 Dublin           4   2   0   2   15   4
4 Galway         4   2   0   2   -9   4
5 Tyrone          4   1   1   2   -6   3
6 Roscommon   4   1   1   2   -8   3
7 Cavan           4   1   0   3   -1   2
8 Monaghan     4   1   0   3   -7   2

Interesting headline in today's Irish News.
Tyrone primed to unleash attacking 'fury' against Cavan, says Tiernan McCann

Rumour has it Mickey might play with a lock of forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 28, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on February 28, 2019, 08:15:18 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 27, 2019, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Ireland2019 on February 27, 2019, 09:52:13 PM
What is this years u20 team like?

Young

Yeah, I heard they are all under 20! ;)

;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 28, 2019, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 28, 2019, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2019, 03:52:28 PM
With Roscommon playing Dublin and Monaghan away to Kerry you would imagine both those two will lose so
Should we beat Cavan we'll be on 5 with Mayo home to Galway so we could even end up 4th come Sunday night.

1 Kerry            4   4   0   0   9   8
2 Mayo            4   3   0   1   7   6
3 Dublin           4   2   0   2   15   4
4 Galway         4   2   0   2   -9   4
5 Tyrone          4   1   1   2   -6   3
6 Roscommon   4   1   1   2   -8   3
7 Cavan           4   1   0   3   -1   2
8 Monaghan     4   1   0   3   -7   2

Interesting headline in today's Irish News.
Tyrone primed to unleash attacking 'fury' against Cavan, says Tiernan McCann

Rumour has it Mickey might play with a lock of forwards.

I heard he was going to go with a rake of forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 28, 2019, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 28, 2019, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 28, 2019, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2019, 03:52:28 PM
With Roscommon playing Dublin and Monaghan away to Kerry you would imagine both those two will lose so
Should we beat Cavan we'll be on 5 with Mayo home to Galway so we could even end up 4th come Sunday night.

1 Kerry            4   4   0   0   9   8
2 Mayo            4   3   0   1   7   6
3 Dublin           4   2   0   2   15   4
4 Galway         4   2   0   2   -9   4
5 Tyrone          4   1   1   2   -6   3
6 Roscommon   4   1   1   2   -8   3
7 Cavan           4   1   0   3   -1   2
8 Monaghan     4   1   0   3   -7   2

Interesting headline in today's Irish News.
Tyrone primed to unleash attacking 'fury' against Cavan, says Tiernan McCann

Rumour has it Mickey might play with a lock of forwards.

I heard he was going to go with a rake of forwards.

Joke?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 01, 2019, 09:56:46 AM
No team named yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 01, 2019, 12:50:01 PM
Team would name itself after last weeks performance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 01, 2019, 01:04:04 PM
Mickey can't decide whether to move Mattie back to chb.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on March 01, 2019, 07:11:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2019, 01:04:04 PM
Mickey can't decide whether to move Mattie back to chb.

Tyrone Name Team to Play Cavan in Rd 5 of Allianz NFL

Tyrone show 3 changes to the starting 15 from the team that defeated Monaghan.

Into the side comes Hugh Pat Mc Geary in place of Michael Mc Kernan, while Conor Meyler and Conor McAliskey replaces Liam Rafferty plus Brian Kennedy.

Into the 26 comes Conal Mc Cann and Darren Mc Curry while Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Brian Kennedy and Michael Mc Kernan miss out. There are 6 positional switches. Conor Mc Aliskey starts for the for the first time this season after coming on last week against Monaghan.

1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Pádraig Hampsey Oileán a'Ghuail
3 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
4 Hugh Pat McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn
5 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
6 Frank Burns Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 Ben McDonnell Aireagal Chiaráin
8 Cathal McShane  E. R. Uí Néill
9 Richard Donnelly  Trí Leac
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Niall Sludden An Droim Mhór
12 Conor Meyler An Ómaigh
13 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
14 Peter Harte  Aireagal Chiaráin
15 Kieran McGeary Cabhán a'Chaortainn
16 Benny Gallen Achadh Uí Aráin
17 Lee Brennan Trí Leac
18 Rory Brennan Trí Leac
19 Michael Cassidy Ard Bó
20 Kyle Coney Ard Bó
21 Harry Loughran An Mháigh
22 Conall McCann  Coill an Chlochair
23 Declan McClure  Cluain Eo
24 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
25 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
26 Liam Rafferty An Gallbhaile
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on March 01, 2019, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Where is Grugan? Mulgrew started first game and hasnt been seen since
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 01, 2019, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 28, 2019, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 28, 2019, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2019, 03:52:28 PM
With Roscommon playing Dublin and Monaghan away to Kerry you would imagine both those two will lose so
Should we beat Cavan we'll be on 5 with Mayo home to Galway so we could even end up 4th come Sunday night.

1 Kerry            4   4   0   0   9   8
2 Mayo            4   3   0   1   7   6
3 Dublin           4   2   0   2   15   4
4 Galway         4   2   0   2   -9   4
5 Tyrone          4   1   1   2   -6   3
6 Roscommon   4   1   1   2   -8   3
7 Cavan           4   1   0   3   -1   2
8 Monaghan     4   1   0   3   -7   2

Interesting headline in today's Irish News.
Tyrone primed to unleash attacking 'fury' against Cavan, says Tiernan McCann

Rumour has it Mickey might play with a lock of forwards.

I heard he was going to go with a rake of forwards.

Yes, all in preparation for going with a slap of forwards in the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on March 02, 2019, 12:34:58 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 01, 2019, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Where is Grugan? Mulgrew started first game and hasnt been seen since

Came on as a sub last week did he not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 02, 2019, 08:46:07 AM
On tv ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on March 02, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Massive financial deal to go play in America for the summer by all reports in coalisland.  Will probably see it in the papers next week I'd imagine....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 02, 2019, 05:42:05 PM
Big loss imo.If true.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 02, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on March 02, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Massive financial deal to go play in America for the summer by all reports in coalisland.  Will probably see it in the papers next week I'd imagine....
find that hard to believe. Wouldn't explain why he not on the panel tonight either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 03, 2019, 12:38:51 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on March 02, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Massive financial deal to go play in America for the summer by all reports in coalisland.  Will probably see it in the papers next week I'd imagine....

Would there be any other reason why he would want to quit?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on March 03, 2019, 09:07:25 AM
Was sat beside an elderly Cavan man last night.
He got up and left shortly after Kyle Coney's point,saying he was going home happy after witnessing such a score.
Reckoned it was the greatest point he's seen since Edward Carolan's in the 1952 All Ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on March 03, 2019, 09:11:27 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 03, 2019, 09:07:25 AM
Was sat beside an elderly Cavan man last night.
He got up and left shortly after Kyle Coney's point,saying he was going home happy after witnessing such a score.
Reckoned it was the greatest point he's seen since Edward Carolan's in the 1952 All Ireland final.

What was it like? Missed the game last night
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 03, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 03, 2019, 09:11:27 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 03, 2019, 09:07:25 AM
Was sat beside an elderly Cavan man last night.
He got up and left shortly after Kyle Coney's point,saying he was going home happy after witnessing such a score.
Reckoned it was the greatest point he's seen since Edward Carolan's in the 1952 All Ireland final.

What was it like? Missed the game last night
Coney's or Edward Carolan's?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on March 03, 2019, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 03, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 03, 2019, 09:11:27 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on March 03, 2019, 09:07:25 AM
Was sat beside an elderly Cavan man last night.
He got up and left shortly after Kyle Coney's point,saying he was going home happy after witnessing such a score.
Reckoned it was the greatest point he's seen since Edward Carolan's in the 1952 All Ireland final.

What was it like? Missed the game last night
[/quote

Coney's
Coney's or Edward Carolan's?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on March 03, 2019, 12:39:36 PM
Hopefully someone recorded Kyle Coney's point from the stand side. It was an outrageous effort.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on March 03, 2019, 03:37:49 PM
Tyrone have been playing well of late. Richie Donnelly seems to have made a good improvement to the team, his kick passing into the forwards is a great asset. McShane was good against Cavan as well just running outta steam, he was showing out in front well. Once the sod dries up Tyrone will move up another gear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on March 04, 2019, 07:45:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on March 02, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Massive financial deal to go play in America for the summer by all reports in coalisland.  Will probably see it in the papers next week I'd imagine....
find that hard to believe. Wouldn't explain why he not on the panel tonight either.

Heard on Sunday he had hurt his knee?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 04, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 04, 2019, 07:45:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on March 02, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Massive financial deal to go play in America for the summer by all reports in coalisland.  Will probably see it in the papers next week I'd imagine....
find that hard to believe. Wouldn't explain why he not on the panel tonight either.

Heard on Sunday he had hurt his knee?

Yeah he was in crutches last week
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 04, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 04, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 04, 2019, 07:45:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on March 02, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Massive financial deal to go play in America for the summer by all reports in coalisland.  Will probably see it in the papers next week I'd imagine....
find that hard to believe. Wouldn't explain why he not on the panel tonight either.

Heard on Sunday he had hurt his knee?

Yeah he was in crutches last week

So not a "massive financial deal to go and play in America" then. He's just injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 04, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 04, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 04, 2019, 07:45:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on March 02, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 01, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Mckernan dropped off panel????

Massive financial deal to go play in America for the summer by all reports in coalisland.  Will probably see it in the papers next week I'd imagine....
find that hard to believe. Wouldn't explain why he not on the panel tonight either.

Heard on Sunday he had hurt his knee?

Yeah he was in crutches last week

So not a "massive financial deal to go and play in America" then. He's just injured.

Local Expert out to upset the 'Island men again this year earlier than usual.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on March 05, 2019, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 03, 2019, 12:39:36 PM
Hopefully someone recorded Kyle Coney's point from the stand side. It was an outrageous effort.

Didn't look overly special on the tv but it looked like the cameras weren't in  the media tower as the angle was very low
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 05, 2019, 11:29:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 05, 2019, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 03, 2019, 12:39:36 PM
Hopefully someone recorded Kyle Coney's point from the stand side. It was an outrageous effort.

Didn't look overly special on the tv but it looked like the cameras weren't in  the media tower as the angle was very low

It was a peach, truly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on March 05, 2019, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on March 05, 2019, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 03, 2019, 12:39:36 PM
Hopefully someone recorded Kyle Coney's point from the stand side. It was an outrageous effort.

Didn't look overly special on the tv but it looked like the cameras weren't in  the media tower as the angle was very low

TV doesn't do it justice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 06, 2019, 08:11:08 AM
I'm looking forward to this game down in croke park next week. It's a good chance to test ourselves against the Dubs and try a few new things without the pressure of the championship. Both teams know that a defeat would rule them out of the league final so it's not a dead rubber game. Dublin will be pushing to stay in league contention and given we've only ever won two leagues so a victory here and staying in contention would be great for morale.

It will obviously be a very difficult game but another high quality game in croke park should be good for development. That's if we are competitive of course. No matter what I don't think we can afford to take a hammering from the Dubs at this stage,  if we have any ambitions of winning all Irelands we need to start proving that we can compete and beat the Dubs. I'd line out something like this:

Morgan
R Brennan
McNamee
McGeary
McCann
Hampsey
Sludden
Kennedy
R Donnelly
Meyler
Coney
Burns
McCurry
Harte
M Donnelly

I'd give Coney his chance in a high paced game like this to see how he can get on. Sludden might offer more coming from half back, he scored a few points the last day but has been quiet enough in a lot of matches of late. Harte at 14 but coming in and out the pitch, his form has picked up an that makes a big difference to the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 06, 2019, 04:22:58 PM
What's the latest news on Colm Cav?
When he comes back would it not be worth trying him in the FF line?
Have we not got enough lads good enough now to play sweeper?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 06, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2019, 04:22:58 PM
What's the latest news on Colm Cav?
When he comes back would it not be worth trying him in the FF line?
Have we not got enough lads good enough now to play sweeper?

We have no players with an ability to kick the ball into the man.

It's a possible tactic, AI Final for example - we don't kick the ball though. Rather solo on HW line, play it safe and shift it over to some other fella 5 metres laterally. Would like to see Tyrone embrace the inside mark personally as I believe it's here to stay.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 06, 2019, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 06, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2019, 04:22:58 PM
What's the latest news on Colm Cav?
When he comes back would it not be worth trying him in the FF line?
Have we not got enough lads good enough now to play sweeper?

We have no players with an ability to kick the ball into the man.

It's a possible tactic, AI Final for example - we don't kick the ball though. Rather solo on HW line, play it safe and shift it over to some other fella 5 metres laterally. Would like to see Tyrone embrace the inside mark personally as I believe it's here to stay.

Tyrone have been doing a lot more kicking inside in recent league games. Mattie Donnelly has won a lot of it. Early in the league they tried kicking it in but the ball wasn't sticking at all and coming straight back out.

In terms of the mark there is no point embracing it this season as no matter what it won't be here for the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 06, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
Declan Bogue on off the ball today saying he'd heard from a good source that the tyrone panel were approximately 6 weeks behind last year's fitness levels at this stage. Makes sense when you see performances recently. Much better support from runners that was very poor in first two games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on March 06, 2019, 09:10:51 PM
 Wonder if that was a deliberate or as a result of the Thailand holiday. After AI final i thought Tyrone should target the league this year to give the lads some confidence. We dont seem to be targeting the league for the past few years.

Seems strange that they target the mckenna cup but not the league

Quote from: omagh_gael on March 06, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
Declan Bogue on off the ball today saying he'd heard from a good source that the tyrone panel were approximately 6 weeks behind last year's fitness levels at this stage. Makes sense when you see performances recently. Much better support from runners that was very poor in first two games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 06, 2019, 09:20:50 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 06, 2019, 09:10:51 PM
Wonder if that was a deliberate or as a result of the Thailand holiday. After AI final i thought Tyrone should target the league this year to give the lads some confidence. We dont seem to be targeting the league for the past few years.

Seems strange that they target the mckenna cup but not the league

Quote from: omagh_gael on March 06, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
Declan Bogue on off the ball today saying he'd heard from a good source that the tyrone panel were approximately 6 weeks behind last year's fitness levels at this stage. Makes sense when you see performances recently. Much better support from runners that was very poor in first two games.
Would this be related to the draw for Ulster. No need to be as fit and flying for Derry then Antrim this year compared with Monaghan first day out last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 07, 2019, 08:06:34 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 06, 2019, 09:10:51 PM
Wonder if that was a deliberate or as a result of the Thailand holiday. After AI final i thought Tyrone should target the league this year to give the lads some confidence. We dont seem to be targeting the league for the past few years.

Seems strange that they target the mckenna cup but not the league

Quote from: omagh_gael on March 06, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
Declan Bogue on off the ball today saying he'd heard from a good source that the tyrone panel were approximately 6 weeks behind last year's fitness levels at this stage. Makes sense when you see performances recently. Much better support from runners that was very poor in first two games.

I think everything in terms of fitness is geared towards peaking come championship. That is the primary focus and the way it has to be if you want to be successful come the summer.

Harte still wants to win every game but won't sacrifice peaking in the championship to achieve this. Given the strength of Tyrone's overall squad they are still able to compete and win McKenna Cups as they are better than most of the teams in it and often the top teams have a lot of players rested.

Come the league the quality of opposition steps up and if you can't match them for fitness it becomes a struggle. The new Kerry manager this year obviously had has team training from early as he's trying to build a team and this was evident in Killarney.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 07, 2019, 09:10:14 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 06, 2019, 09:10:51 PM
Wonder if that was a deliberate or as a result of the Thailand holiday. After AI final i thought Tyrone should target the league this year to give the lads some confidence. We dont seem to be targeting the league for the past few years.

Seems strange that they target the mckenna cup but not the league

Quote from: omagh_gael on March 06, 2019, 07:29:58 PM
Declan Bogue on off the ball today saying he'd heard from a good source that the tyrone panel were approximately 6 weeks behind last year's fitness levels at this stage. Makes sense when you see performances recently. Much better support from runners that was very poor in first two games.

I don't think it's a case that Tyrone target the McKenna cup. I think it's more a case that no one targets it, therefore everyone's on the level playing field with fitness, preparation etc. Where as focus for the league is different in different counties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 12:44:42 PM
Chatting to someone at the game Saturday night who was right behind Coney for his point, said it was one of the best he ever saw in Healy. Coney needs the number 11 jersey starting against the dubs in croke park next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on March 07, 2019, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 12:44:42 PM
Chatting to someone at the game Saturday night who was right behind Coney for his point, said it was one of the best he ever saw in Healy. Coney needs the number 11 jersey starting against the dubs in croke park next week.

Does anybody agree there has been a bit of hyperbole about this point? It was a nice score but lets not get carried away.

I'd imagine Coney will start at least one of the last two league games. He's largely been effective coming off the bench so deserves a go from the start to stake a claim for the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 07, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
Saw Ger Cavlan score the most audacious point at Healy Park for Dungannon, won it out in front of defender who was up his arse, turned round to face the defender on the 45, was satationary defender poised for the next move, took a solo in standing position and 2 steps backwards, sent it over the bar outside of the left foot, absolutely no momentum aside from throwing the leg at it, and with the outside of his weaker foot, there was an audible gasp then ripple of applause from everyone, he was slightly off centre too so 45 plus a few yards for the diagonal, plus conditions, savage, obviously not the same sense of occasion as Dooher v Kerry but scores like those live long in the memory
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 07, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
Saw Ger Cavlan score the most audacious point at Healy Park for Dungannon, won it out in front of defender who was up his arse, turned round to face the defender on the 45, was satationary defender poised for the next move, took a solo in standing position and 2 steps backwards, sent it over the bar outside of the left foot, absolutely no momentum aside from throwing the leg at it, and with the outside of his weaker foot, there was an audible gasp then ripple of applause from everyone, he was slightly off centre too so 45 plus a few yards for the diagonal, plus conditions, savage, obviously not the same sense of occasion as Dooher v Kerry but scores like those live long in the memory
cavlan was magic. Too many Tyrone players nowadays afraid to even take the big shot on. It can really light up a game when it happens.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 07, 2019, 03:09:04 PM
Sounds like most people are in favour of giving Coney another chance and maybe playing at 11 suits him better. He looks to be a much more "rounded" player now and willing to work back and make tackles. RTE highlights last week showed him making a diving block.
I think we in Tyrone have been spoiled over the years with some amazing players like Frank and Brian McGuigan, PTG, Stevie & Dooher so we do find it a little galling when others (and ourselves) describe our team now as a group of robots or clones all playing to a system and not much individuality. Would we have seen Mugsy's great goal in 2005 if we were sticking so rigidly to a system of playing the percentages and recycle the ball rather than maybe lose it.
You would imagine Bradley, Lee Brennan and hopefully Daragh Canavan will provide us with some quality magic in the years ahead and hopefully teams focus more on attack rather than the Fermanagh approach of late.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on March 07, 2019, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on March 07, 2019, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 12:44:42 PM
Chatting to someone at the game Saturday night who was right behind Coney for his point, said it was one of the best he ever saw in Healy. Coney needs the number 11 jersey starting against the dubs in croke park next week.

Does anybody agree there has been a bit of hyperbole about this point? It was a nice score but lets not get carried away.

I'd imagine Coney will start at least one of the last two league games. He's largely been effective coming off the bench so deserves a go from the start to stake a claim for the championship

it looked like it was going miles wide when he kicked it. think of the Roberto Carlos banana kick many years ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 07, 2019, 03:47:41 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 07, 2019, 03:09:04 PM
Sounds like most people are in favour of giving Coney another chance and maybe playing at 11 suits him better. He looks to be a much more "rounded" player now and willing to work back and make tackles. RTE highlights last week showed him making a diving block.
I think we in Tyrone have been spoiled over the years with some amazing players like Frank and Brian McGuigan, PTG, Stevie & Dooher so we do find it a little galling when others (and ourselves) describe our team now as a group of robots or clones all playing to a system and not much individuality. Would we have seen Mugsy's great goal in 2005 if we were sticking so rigidly to a system of playing the percentages and recycle the ball rather than maybe lose it.
You would imagine Bradley, Lee Brennan and hopefully Daragh Canavan will provide us with some quality magic in the years ahead and hopefully teams focus more on attack rather than the Fermanagh approach of late.

You'll be lucky to see him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on March 07, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 07, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
Saw Ger Cavlan score the most audacious point at Healy Park for Dungannon, won it out in front of defender who was up his arse, turned round to face the defender on the 45, was satationary defender poised for the next move, took a solo in standing position and 2 steps backwards, sent it over the bar outside of the left foot, absolutely no momentum aside from throwing the leg at it, and with the outside of his weaker foot, there was an audible gasp then ripple of applause from everyone, he was slightly off centre too so 45 plus a few yards for the diagonal, plus conditions, savage, obviously not the same sense of occasion as Dooher v Kerry but scores like those live long in the memory

The Dooher point is definitely one that stands out in my memory. Another point I can vividly remember was Stevie O'Neill v the Dubs in the league in the 125 anniversary game at Croker. Was lucky enough to be down that end of the Cusack lower tier and see it from along that line. He was about half a foot inside the endline, scarcely believable how he managed to put it between the posts.
Canavan in the '05 final under the Canal End stand was a remarkable score as well. Honourable mentions to Peter Harte's monster point in the Ulster Final v Donegal a few years ago in Clones, and Raymie Mulgrew sending a Dublin player down the road to the shop with a dummy before landing a peach in the 2007 game under lights.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 07, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Yes SON made a mockery of angles through 2005 and the 125 game under lights score from the corner that whole side of Croke gasped, crazy to elicit that from a few thousand people at the same time. Same game same half Colly McCullagh outside of left, i was right behind it, cleanest strike you could wish to see bending all over the shop straight over black spot.

Give the current crop the freedom and they'd do similar, waste of time talented forwards beasting in defence then fucked when they get a chance
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 07, 2019, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 07, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
Saw Ger Cavlan score the most audacious point at Healy Park for Dungannon, won it out in front of defender who was up his arse, turned round to face the defender on the 45, was satationary defender poised for the next move, took a solo in standing position and 2 steps backwards, sent it over the bar outside of the left foot, absolutely no momentum aside from throwing the leg at it, and with the outside of his weaker foot, there was an audible gasp then ripple of applause from everyone, he was slightly off centre too so 45 plus a few yards for the diagonal, plus conditions, savage, obviously not the same sense of occasion as Dooher v Kerry but scores like those live long in the memory

Cavlan had a great ability to kick outrageous points from distance. Some of the points he kicked during the 1996 semi final v Meath where superb.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Can anyone tell me the current crop of forwards aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 08?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 07, 2019, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 07, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Yes SON made a mockery of angles through 2005 and the 125 game under lights score from the corner that whole side of Croke gasped, crazy to elicit that from a few thousand people at the same time. Same game same half Colly McCullagh outside of left, i was right behind it, cleanest strike you could wish to see bending all over the shop straight over black spot.

Give the current crop the freedom and they'd do similar, waste of time talented forwards beasting in defence then fucked when they get a chance

One of the best displays of forward score taking I've ever seen was Stevie's exhibition against Cork in the League down in Pairc Uí Rinn (February, 2007 if I'm not mistaken), where he was simply unmarkable: from the right sideline... ping, from the left sideline... ping!  An unlikely victory... and what a display!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 08, 2019, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Can anyone tell me the current crop of forwards aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 08?

The Current crop aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 2008.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 08, 2019, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 08, 2019, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Can anyone tell me the current crop of forwards aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 08?
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The Current crop aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 2008.
I disagree
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on March 08, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 08, 2019, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Can anyone tell me the current crop of forwards aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 08?

The Current crop aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 2008.

Starting 6 forwards in 08 final
B Dooher, M Penrose, Joe McMahon, T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh

Notable subs
Stephen O'Neill, Mulligan & Brian McGuigan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 08, 2019, 10:29:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 08, 2019, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 08, 2019, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Can anyone tell me the current crop of forwards aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 08?

The Current crop aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 2008.
I disagree


Fair enough. To me it's not even a debate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on March 08, 2019, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 08, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 08, 2019, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Can anyone tell me the current crop of forwards aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 08?

The Current crop aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 2008.

Starting 6 forwards in 08 final
B Dooher, M Penrose, Joe McMahon, T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh

Notable subs
Stephen O'Neill, Mulligan & Brian McGuigan

Joe went to corner back, Ryan Mellon started LHF.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 08, 2019, 10:40:13 AM
Quote from: deadman on March 07, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 07, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
Saw Ger Cavlan score the most audacious point at Healy Park for Dungannon, won it out in front of defender who was up his arse, turned round to face the defender on the 45, was satationary defender poised for the next move, took a solo in standing position and 2 steps backwards, sent it over the bar outside of the left foot, absolutely no momentum aside from throwing the leg at it, and with the outside of his weaker foot, there was an audible gasp then ripple of applause from everyone, he was slightly off centre too so 45 plus a few yards for the diagonal, plus conditions, savage, obviously not the same sense of occasion as Dooher v Kerry but scores like those live long in the memory

The Dooher point is definitely one that stands out in my memory. Another point I can vividly remember was Stevie O'Neill v the Dubs in the league in the 125 anniversary game at Croker. Was lucky enough to be down that end of the Cusack lower tier and see it from along that line. He was about half a foot inside the endline, scarcely believable how he managed to put it between the posts.
Canavan in the '05 final under the Canal End stand was a remarkable score as well. Honourable mentions to Peter Harte's monster point in the Ulster Final v Donegal a few years ago in Clones, and Raymie Mulgrew sending a Dublin player down the road to the shop with a dummy before landing a peach in the 2007 game under lights.

Throw in the League final in Division 2 against Kildare where SON scored two or three of the best points you are ever likely to see.  His ability to score from acute angles from both sides off both feet was uncanny, plus his penalties were near perfect too, sort of curled them in behind the post.  Its a shame that he was ravaged was injuries because you could argue that we only really had a year or two when he was at his peak and injury free. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 08, 2019, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 08, 2019, 10:40:13 AM
Quote from: deadman on March 07, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: tiempo on March 07, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
Saw Ger Cavlan score the most audacious point at Healy Park for Dungannon, won it out in front of defender who was up his arse, turned round to face the defender on the 45, was satationary defender poised for the next move, took a solo in standing position and 2 steps backwards, sent it over the bar outside of the left foot, absolutely no momentum aside from throwing the leg at it, and with the outside of his weaker foot, there was an audible gasp then ripple of applause from everyone, he was slightly off centre too so 45 plus a few yards for the diagonal, plus conditions, savage, obviously not the same sense of occasion as Dooher v Kerry but scores like those live long in the memory

The Dooher point is definitely one that stands out in my memory. Another point I can vividly remember was Stevie O'Neill v the Dubs in the league in the 125 anniversary game at Croker. Was lucky enough to be down that end of the Cusack lower tier and see it from along that line. He was about half a foot inside the endline, scarcely believable how he managed to put it between the posts.
Canavan in the '05 final under the Canal End stand was a remarkable score as well. Honourable mentions to Peter Harte's monster point in the Ulster Final v Donegal a few years ago in Clones, and Raymie Mulgrew sending a Dublin player down the road to the shop with a dummy before landing a peach in the 2007 game under lights.

Throw in the League final in Division 2 against Kildare where SON scored two or three of the best points you are ever likely to see.  His ability to score from acute angles from both sides off both feet was uncanny, plus his penalties were near perfect too, sort of curled them in behind the post.  Its a shame that he was ravaged was injuries because you could argue that we only really had a year or two when he was at his peak and injury free.

Definitely. O'Neill was the best point taker I saw play for Tyrone, better than Canavan IMO (Not better player). His ability to meet a ball with back to goal and turn and shoot was remarkable in addition to his scores from tight angles. Must have been a nightmare to mark.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 08, 2019, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 08, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 08, 2019, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 07, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
Can anyone tell me the current crop of forwards aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 08?

The Current crop aren't as good as the ones that lifted Sam in 2008.

Starting 6 forwards in 08 final
B Dooher, M Penrose, Joe McMahon, T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh

Notable subs
Stephen O'Neill, Mulligan & Brian McGuigan

Imagine the meltdown on this board / twitter / facebook if that starting 6 had been announced with those 3 on the bench. Seems almost crazy to me looking back now. Penrose was in his peak in those days, McMahon very much so too. I nearly forgot about McCullagh too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 08, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
I heard Gavin Devlin is over the coaching of all the development squads....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on March 08, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on March 08, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
I heard Gavin Devlin is over the coaching of all the development squads....
Big fallout at the country board meeting Monday night over this.
A lot of questions regarding how Gavin got this job asked that couldn't be answered.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 08, 2019, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on March 08, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on March 08, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
I heard Gavin Devlin is over the coaching of all the development squads....
Big fallout at the country board meeting Monday night over this.
A lot of questions regarding how Gavin got this job asked that couldn't be answered.

I heard that the Dublin-Drumquin fellow, who made several accusations, made a complete tit of himself. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 08, 2019, 07:48:40 PM
Benny hurl still in charge of the academies? He give his clubmate the job on the Qt?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 09, 2019, 07:04:26 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on March 08, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
I heard Gavin Devlin is over the coaching of all the development squads....
Right.  I'm not sure that is a good move.  Surely the negative defensive football philosophy that he has been associated with before would be best kept to 1 team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 09, 2019, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 09, 2019, 07:04:26 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on March 08, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
I heard Gavin Devlin is over the coaching of all the development squads....
Right.  I'm not sure that is a good move.  Surely the negative defensive football philosophy that he has been associated with before would be best kept to 1 team.

i agree with that..something not just sitting right with that appointment....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 09, 2019, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on March 09, 2019, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 09, 2019, 07:04:26 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on March 08, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
I heard Gavin Devlin is over the coaching of all the development squads....
Right.  I'm not sure that is a good move.  Surely the negative defensive football philosophy that he has been associated with before would be best kept to 1 team.

i agree with that..something not just sitting right with that appointment....
Thought there was no money and coaches being let go. Now suddenly we have money to pay horse to do the same job!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 10, 2019, 05:45:21 AM
I understand it to be organised as a temporary role. Who else was in for it. How long is temporary?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on March 10, 2019, 11:27:29 AM
The job wasn't advertised from what I understand, hence the issues at the county executive and more than a few members feeling fairly miffed with the process or lack of a process. The county's handling of HR issues in the past year has left a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 10, 2019, 11:31:48 AM
Does anyone know why Ryan Daly left?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 10, 2019, 11:46:34 AM
Cronyism alive and well in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 10, 2019, 09:12:55 PM
There's been a mass exodus in the county board. People in similar positions in other counties are being better rewarded. Those Tyrone people are fed up with the county board and the in particular those in control of the purse strings and have jumped. Suppose you can only rely on goodwill for so long.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on March 11, 2019, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: In hiding on March 10, 2019, 11:31:48 AM
Does anyone know why Ryan Daly left?

Was looking a pay rise and it was refused. Then Peter Donnelly got a pay rise and got 2 more S&C coaches in so he had less teams to manage. Daly then walked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 11, 2019, 01:36:42 PM
Seems to be nothing simple around Garvaghy these days!! Not convinced it is all for the good of the Gaa in this County...Time will tell i suppose....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 11, 2019, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on March 11, 2019, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: In hiding on March 10, 2019, 11:31:48 AM
Does anyone know why Ryan Daly left?

Was looking a pay rise and it was refused. Then Peter Donnelly got a pay rise and got 2 more S&C coaches in so he had less teams to manage. Daly then walked.

Don't think it was as clear cut as that. There has been definite unrest for a while among the coaching fraternity within the county. All the development squad coaches walked out in support of Ryan Daly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 11, 2019, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on March 11, 2019, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on March 11, 2019, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: In hiding on March 10, 2019, 11:31:48 AM
Does anyone know why Ryan Daly left?

Was looking a pay rise and it was refused. Then Peter Donnelly got a pay rise and got 2 more S&C coaches in so he had less teams to manage. Daly then walked.

Don’t think it was as clear cut as that. There has been definite unrest for a while among the coaching fraternity within the county. All the development squad coaches walked out in support of Ryan Daly

Is Ryan still involved with the County u17s, they had a good win at the weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 11, 2019, 08:50:51 PM
gavin devlins temporary appointment will only last as long as it takes to get mark harte the u20s job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 12, 2019, 11:37:01 AM
Are many of ye coming down to Dublin this Saturday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on March 12, 2019, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 12, 2019, 11:37:01 AM
Are many of ye coming down to Dublin this Saturday?
Wedding  :'(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 12, 2019, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on March 12, 2019, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 12, 2019, 11:37:01 AM
Are many of ye coming down to Dublin this Saturday?
Wedding  :'(
I'm washing my hair.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 14, 2019, 11:54:53 AM
I'd say it will be a poor turn out now Tyrone wise at weekend. Not many will be expecting much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 14, 2019, 12:45:00 PM
Looking forward to heading down to it. Great chance to see how we get on against the best team in the country without the pressure of the championship. Especially interested to see how Donnelly and Harte get on in a more advanced position. We will still have to drop plenty of bodies back or the Dubs will open us up but hoping to see a bit more variation in the attacking play like we've seen in recent games.

A win would be great morale. I don't think we've beaten the Dubs since the 2013 league game? Blew a few leads that ended up in draws in more recent years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 14, 2019, 02:07:49 PM
Can see Tyrone giving them a shake, and possibly a narrow victory
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 15, 2019, 09:43:37 AM
There's a few of us TAD ones (Tyrone Assoc Dublin) meeting early in the Croke Park hotel for the Wales v Ireland game and they've told me they will have some live music on as well if ye fancy it. I'll be sitting in the corner looking like Mo Salah or as someone said More Salad perhaps?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on March 15, 2019, 12:51:12 PM
Tyrone name the same starting 15 to face All Ireland Champions Dublin in the Allianz NFL game in Croke Park on Sat night.

N. Morgan
P Hampsey
R McNamee
HP McGeary
T McCann
F Burns
B McDonnell
C McShane
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
N Sludden
C Meyler
C McAliskey
P Harte
K McGeary
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 15, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
This game seems very low key.
I see it's live on Eir Sport as well.

Presume a trip to Dublin on Paddy's weekend is too expensive for most people
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on March 15, 2019, 02:21:47 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 15, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
This game seems very low key.
I see it's live on Eir Sport as well.

Presume a trip to Dublin on Paddy's weekend is too expensive for most people

I'm heading down to the game with family but coming back up the road after. would like to have stayed over but hotel prices were/are extortionate for this weekend.
it's a shame as I would have had free entry into the club finals.
if anyone needs tickets for the club finals give me a pm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on March 16, 2019, 07:06:26 PM
McShane taking frees - why? He took one against Monaghan as well.

Every score matters playing the Dubs FFS.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 16, 2019, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 12, 2019, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on March 12, 2019, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 12, 2019, 11:37:01 AM
Are many of ye coming down to Dublin this Saturday?
Wedding  :'(
I'm washing my hair.

How's the hair washing going? You're missing some night out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 16, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on March 16, 2019, 07:06:26 PM
McShane taking frees - why? He took one against Monaghan as well.

Every score matters playing the Dubs FFS.

Whatever about him kicking the frees, he's having a great game tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on March 16, 2019, 08:45:22 PM
Granted - super game. Credit where it's due!

Doesn't negate the argument for some free taking consistency when every point matters and that maybe that's not his forte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 16, 2019, 08:54:04 PM
Awesome. Absolutely awesome.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on March 16, 2019, 09:47:28 PM
Impressive stuff tonight
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 16, 2019, 09:47:45 PM
Some display tonight good to give the Dubs something to think about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 16, 2019, 10:24:54 PM
Most enjoyable and positive Tyrone game in years. Pleasure to be there tonight. Well done team and management
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 16, 2019, 10:48:18 PM
Hampsey's ball into McShane was absolutely beautiful!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on March 17, 2019, 06:18:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 16, 2019, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 12, 2019, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on March 12, 2019, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 12, 2019, 11:37:01 AM
Are many of ye coming down to Dublin this Saturday?
Wedding  :'(
I'm washing my hair.

How's the hair washing going? You're missing some night out.

He's got a Bobby Charlton flip over. Takes him all evening to set the strands equal distance apart so he doesn't look ridiculous when it's dried out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on March 17, 2019, 07:51:10 AM
Great to get the win last night but I just saw the Dublin goal.  Dublin forward just ran past our last man back.  Took me back to the whacking we got in the semi final a few years back. The least he could have done was to give away a free.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 17, 2019, 08:22:00 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 17, 2019, 07:51:10 AM
Great to get the win last night but I just saw the Dublin goal.  Dublin forward just ran past our last man back.  Took me back to the whacking we got in the semi final a few years back. The least he could have done was to give away a free.

That's one way of looking at. The other way is to look at the way we responded to the goal compared to our previous meetings and the fact that they didn't really create to many other goal scoring chances, bar the save by Morgan just before half time. Even down to 14 men we were able to cause them problems and at the same time keep them at arms length. I don't for one minute think that when the dust settles, the Dubs will be too bothered about losing last night but for us and our belief in how we have adapted our game, this was a huge win.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 17, 2019, 10:03:59 AM
Is STG in hiding.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 17, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
Didn't see that result coming last night - had Tyrone on the scrapheap.

However, whomever has convinced Harte to get them to kick the ball in - please stay forever, it was genuinely great to watch. So intelligent - not all the passes were killer but some were just smart use of the inside mark.

Some of the guys I've questioned on this board were really, really impressive - Cathal McShane and Ritchie Donnelly obviously showed up to the fore so fair play to them.

Morgan was very impressive and Matty Donnelly too.

That said, Dublin are well undercooked. It will be a very different animal in a few months.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 17, 2019, 02:54:22 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 17, 2019, 10:03:59 AM
Is STG in hiding.
why would I be in hiding? Great to see Tyrone play the football we know they are capable of. Pity it took so long for the penny to drop with harte but better late than never I guess.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 17, 2019, 03:25:01 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 17, 2019, 02:54:22 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 17, 2019, 10:03:59 AM
Is STG in hiding.
why would I be in hiding? Great to see Tyrone play the football we know they are capable of. Pity it took so long for the penny to drop with harte but better late than never I guess.

They caught Dublin out last night, probably caught us all out - the test will be if they kick if next weekend v Galway now there is a slight something on the line.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 17, 2019, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 17, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
Didn't see that result coming last night - had Tyrone on the scrapheap.

However, whomever has convinced Harte to get them to kick the ball in - please stay forever, it was genuinely great to watch. So intelligent - not all the passes were killer but some were just smart use of the inside mark.

Some of the guys I've questioned on this board were really, really impressive - Cathal McShane and Ritchie Donnelly obviously showed up to the fore so fair play to them.

Morgan was very impressive and Matty Donnelly too.

That said, Dublin are well undercooked. It will be a very different animal in a few months.

Nobody is saying thatDublin are not going to challenge this year. What we are saying is that there are no more soft all Ireland's for them.. I don't think they will age well as Kerry and Tyrone rise again.  What are they going to do... drag Clinton's old bones out of nets to try to replicate the modern approach to goalkeeping.. Jim Gavin is in the same bunker as Joe Schmidt today. As Their favourite son Conor Mc Gregor would say... what the fook just happened there...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on March 17, 2019, 04:07:53 PM
Good win albeit I don't think Dublin will be too concerned. Good to see Donnelly and NcShane winning a few long balls. Makes the last game interesting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 17, 2019, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 17, 2019, 02:54:22 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 17, 2019, 10:03:59 AM
Is STG in hiding.
why would I be in hiding? Great to see Tyrone play the football we know they are capable of. Pity it took so long for the penny to drop with harte but better late than never I guess.

Did you use conditioner on the hair after you washed it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 17, 2019, 10:45:23 PM
I've been critical of McShane previously, particularly against Dublin in the Super 8's last year. It would appear I may have to reevaluate my analysis of him. He was excellent last night. Looks like a proper baller.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 18, 2019, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 17, 2019, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 17, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
Didn't see that result coming last night - had Tyrone on the scrapheap.

However, whomever has convinced Harte to get them to kick the ball in - please stay forever, it was genuinely great to watch. So intelligent - not all the passes were killer but some were just smart use of the inside mark.

Some of the guys I've questioned on this board were really, really impressive - Cathal McShane and Ritchie Donnelly obviously showed up to the fore so fair play to them.

Morgan was very impressive and Matty Donnelly too.

That said, Dublin are well undercooked. It will be a very different animal in a few months.

Nobody is saying thatDublin are not going to challenge this year. What we are saying is that there are no more soft all Ireland's for them.. I don't think they will age well as Kerry and Tyrone rise again.  What are they going to do... drag Clinton's old bones out of nets to try to replicate the modern approach to goalkeeping.. Jim Gavin is in the same bunker as Joe Schmidt today. As Their favourite son Conor Mc Gregor would say... what the fook just happened there...

Lets not go too mad just yet. Dublin are still raging favourites for the All Ireland this year.....

Tyrone will need to back this performance up with a few more - it's one thing beating a team in the league with X amount of losses in a row / draws or whatever it was. Tyrone had every bit of motivation - What do Dublin have at this stage, league wise. Jim Gavin could be pulling a masterstroke here dampening expectation with a lot of time to work with the best panel in Ireland now (Leinster is essentially a walk over).

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 19, 2019, 01:20:24 PM
Argh, great result at the weekend for Tyrone. Who is all over the Irish News? McNamee, I've nothing against the lad - I don't know him for one, played against him but why is he always in the media. He's could be doing with drawing a little less attention to himself for some of the stuff he gets up to.

He must be team public relations go to or something ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on March 19, 2019, 03:33:24 PM
Saw most of the game on Saturday evening but missed the tackle/collision between Paddy Small & Niall Morgan - was there much in it?

I see Morgan is getting a hard time on twitter from a few Dubs although he replied back saying he has been in contact with Small and has apologised.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 19, 2019, 03:35:19 PM
Classic case of going in felt pelt with the shoulder but a combination of being a millisecond late and Andrews not seeing him led to a pretty brutal collision. I don't imagine Morgan was planning to hurt him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on March 20, 2019, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 19, 2019, 03:33:24 PM
Saw most of the game on Saturday evening but missed the tackle/collision between Paddy Small & Niall Morgan - was there much in it?

I see Morgan is getting a hard time on twitter from a few Dubs although he replied back saying he has been in contact with Small and has apologised.
???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on March 20, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
Quote from: bogball88 on March 20, 2019, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 19, 2019, 03:33:24 PM
Saw most of the game on Saturday evening but missed the tackle/collision between Paddy Small & Niall Morgan - was there much in it?

I see Morgan is getting a hard time on twitter from a few Dubs although he replied back saying he has been in contact with Small and has apologised.
???

Saw the tackle last night, I don't think you can say Morgan meant any malice in that tackle.

**Paddy Andrews also
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 20, 2019, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 19, 2019, 03:33:24 PM
Saw most of the game on Saturday evening but missed the tackle/collision between Paddy Small & Niall Morgan - was there much in it?

I see Morgan is getting a hard time on twitter from a few Dubs although he replied back saying he has been in contact with Small and has apologised.

Poor ould andrews gets his jaw broke and Morgan rings a dublin sub to apologise..... that morgan what a ruthless character
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 20, 2019, 12:12:10 PM
Who is paddy small anyway?lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 20, 2019, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2019, 12:12:10 PM
Who is paddy small anyway?lol

Dublin sub - great club player - would be in Tyrone team if he was from our county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 20, 2019, 01:06:52 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 20, 2019, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 20, 2019, 12:12:10 PM
Who is paddy small anyway?lol
how small is he?

Dublin sub - great club player - would be in Tyrone team if he was from our county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 20, 2019, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: toby47 on March 19, 2019, 03:33:24 PM
Saw most of the game on Saturday evening but missed the tackle/collision between Paddy Small & Niall Morgan - was there much in it?

I see Morgan is getting a hard time on twitter from a few Dubs although he replied back saying he has been in contact with Small and has apologised.


https://mobile.twitter.com/DubsGAAFans/status/1108129041549348866
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 21, 2019, 08:03:49 AM
See McCarron has retired. Controversial enough character I suppose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 21, 2019, 08:08:31 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2019, 08:03:49 AM
See McCarron has retired. Controversial enough character I suppose.

Whatever about his off the pitch life, he was a good servant to Tyrone on the pitch and was a very dependable player for a number of years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on March 21, 2019, 08:23:50 AM
Gave his all when he was on the pitch - as a footballer you couldnt ask for more committed.

Going to continue to play club ball
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: seafoid on March 21, 2019, 08:30:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 21, 2019, 08:08:31 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2019, 08:03:49 AM
See McCarron has retired. Controversial enough character I suppose.

Whatever about his off the pitch life, he was a good servant to Tyrone on the pitch and was a very dependable player for a number of years.
A very good player. Mickey Harte was great to take him back in and have faith in him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 21, 2019, 09:22:42 AM
Good luck to Cathal going forward - can only hope that he keeps on the straight and narrow now intercounty football has finished for him.

Good player - could have been so, so much more but there was a different fight for him during his sporting peak.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 21, 2019, 12:39:06 PM
Is he back with Dromore would be good addition if he is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 21, 2019, 01:00:49 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 21, 2019, 12:39:06 PM
Is he back with Dromore would be good addition if he is.


Transfered to Athy in Kildare a few years back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 21, 2019, 03:52:09 PM
I'm pretty certain he's back with Dromore. Maybe still living around Kildare though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Spilman47 on March 22, 2019, 04:40:27 PM
Word on the street that McIvor gone from Killyclogher!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on March 22, 2019, 08:09:23 PM
15 named v Galway

1 N Morgan
2 P Hampsey
3 R McNamee
4 HP McGeary
5 T McCann
6 F Burns
7 B McDonnell
8 C McShane
9 R Donnelly
10 M Donnelly (C)
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 C McAliskey
14 P Harte
15 K McGeary
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 22, 2019, 11:25:26 PM
RHS - with all due respect to you and your views I would say the the Tyrone starting 15 is not a high priority for a lot of people either today or in last few days. More important things happen in life and puts things into perspective.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 23, 2019, 06:57:12 AM
I don't want any silly arguments about the rights or wrongs of discussing football at this time (there is enough nonsense on the cookstown thread from people who should no better). I've theredore removed my earlier post and response.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 24, 2019, 02:08:17 PM
Anyone having trouble with getting tyrone Galway game online? Any help?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on March 24, 2019, 02:21:17 PM
Wankers, watched st Mary's in the final of the sigerson system on there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gold on March 24, 2019, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: WT4E on March 24, 2019, 02:08:17 PM
Anyone having trouble with getting tyrone Galway game online? Any help?

Any link?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on March 24, 2019, 02:40:34 PM
Radio even?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on March 24, 2019, 03:46:46 PM
McShane was very good again today and Mattie Donnelly and Harte too were brilliant. Interestingly, Coney kicked some great balls when he came on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on March 24, 2019, 03:59:20 PM
Shame Monaghan couldn't do us a favour as Kerry in Croker would've been a nice tester for the championship. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 24, 2019, 04:05:51 PM
Great second half performance with a 14 point turn around. Although Galway didn't help themselves with outrageous errors, we are looking really dangerous up front. Very impressed with Cassidy too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 24, 2019, 05:18:23 PM
Agree that Cassidy looks very good baller, kicked 2 lovely scores. Where was tiarnan Mc cann? McShane a big threat up front again when the ball goes in long and early. Mattie excellent too, really enjoying playing closer to goal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on March 24, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
It's took Harte 4 years to work out that Cassidy is the most talented player from the crop of u21 winners in 2015. Should be a starter every week, can play anywhere from corner back to corner forward - to think that players like AidanMcCrory & Ben McDonnell get game time ahead of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 24, 2019, 05:34:53 PM
On another note, great to see Galway getting punished for their negative keep ball on Tyrone's second goal. They kept the ball for about 5 mins going backwards and eventually managed to lose it for Mattie to kick into empty net. Alot of potential in that Galway team but won't be all Ireland contenders until they play more positive. They prob in same position as we were last year. Walsh magic to watch first half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 24, 2019, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on March 24, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
It's took Harte 4 years to work out that Cassidy is the most talented player from the crop of u21 winners in 2015. Should be a starter every week, can play anywhere from corner back to corner forward - to think that players like AidanMcCrory & Ben McDonnell get game time ahead of him.

More talented than Bradley, Hampsey, McGeary, Burns, McShane and the 2 Brennan's? Yeah ok!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on March 24, 2019, 07:21:26 PM
Cassidy was ropey enough on the back foot today and hit at least two poor passes. Nice point but his general play is a bit wanting yet.

Richie, Patsy and Ben were poor today too and it's a pity because they've been excellent this past 3 games. They may be a bit burnt out. Ben and Richie in particular were outstanding against Dublin so it's a pity to see them a bit off the boil today. Unsure of Kennedy's and Colm's performance today. Colm was his usual mix of sublime interceptions mixed with rash tackles. Kennedy was v. quiet. I'm just not convinced by him yet. On a day were we started with 4 midfielders our fielding of the ball from kickouts were particularly poor in the 1st half and early 2nd.

McKernan was outstanding when he came on, changed the face of the game. Coney was good, v. direct but i still don't think he works hard enough to be a regular starter. Hampsey was ropey enough too, was threw to the ground like a wet towel by Walsh early on. Kieran McGeary was excellent, up there for MOTM contender. Meyler has a serious engine but by f**k he has so little football in him.

Matty is next level. At times he makes the people around him, team mates and opposition alike, look like minors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 24, 2019, 07:32:56 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on March 24, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
It's took Harte 4 years to work out that Cassidy is the most talented player from the crop of u21 winners in 2015. Should be a starter every week, can play anywhere from corner back to corner forward - to think that players like AidanMcCrory & Ben McDonnell get game time ahead of him.

As pointed out by others Ben McDonnell had been very good in recent games. Some players are an easy target and don't get proper chances by sections of Tyrone fans. McShane for example would have been chased long ago if some experts got their way.

Also Cassidy seeemd to have had injuries every year since joining the panel. Missing chunks of the season won't have helped his chances of getting on. Thought he did well today and couple of great scores.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 24, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
I think from a defensive point of view Tyrone have been much better of in the last two games with Rory Brennan and Michael Cassidy over Tiernan McCann. Over the last few years McCanns defensive abilities could be questioned, and in the big games against the big teams they have been exposed and have contributed towards our defeats. Just think if we are serious about All Irelands we need a better defensive option than Tiernan in the half back line.
Thats not to say he couldn't offer more further up the field, wing forward potentially ahead of Meyler (as someone said has limited footballing ability) as he does offer plenty in terms of attacking output.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on March 24, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 24, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
I think from a defensive point of view Tyrone have been much better of in the last two games with Rory Brennan and Michael Cassidy over Tiernan McCann. Over the last few years McCanns defensive abilities could be questioned, and in the big games against the big teams they have been exposed and have contributed towards our defeats. Just think if we are serious about All Irelands we need a better defensive option than Tiernan in the half back line.
Thats not to say he couldn't offer more further up the field, wing forward potentially ahead of Meyler (as someone said has limited footballing ability) as he does offer plenty in terms of attacking output.

Agree Meyler needs to add scores to his game, i think he is capable. I wouldnt be as critical of McCann but a half forward role would be interesting as he has been able to add scores to his game now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on March 25, 2019, 12:08:48 AM
a very positive finish to the league after a pretty dismal opening few rounds, the few 1 week breaks have brought the team on a lot. the direct kick passing (although some of it can be v inaccurate) is a lot better on the eye and the players seem to be enjoying it more. the positives are Harte, donnelly, mcgreary and in particular mcshane the penny has dropped and looks really really good, and hopefully this improvement continues. the negatives for me is still morgan, mcnamee (when left 1on 1 is a liability)  and the team in general seem to go to sleep for small periods and teams can create a load of scoring chances - but barring a glut of injuries in the club league, the team look in good shape for ulster this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on March 25, 2019, 07:45:43 AM
Morgan is frustrating as hell.
Bar some awful kick outs, diving on the ball to concede the 14 yard free kick was absolutely clueless.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on March 25, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
Good end to the league season. Pity things started so badly but at least there are signs for optimism for the Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 25, 2019, 08:41:53 AM
Morgan certainly had a bad day yesterday but he has been brilliant throughout the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 25, 2019, 09:37:24 AM
Playing with great freedom and vibrancy long may that continue, Great end to the league onwards and upwards.... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 25, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 25, 2019, 08:41:53 AM
Morgan certainly had a bad day yesterday but he has been brilliant throughout the league.

We should probably keep in mind the bad week he and his Club had.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 25, 2019, 10:45:02 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 25, 2019, 08:41:53 AM
Morgan certainly had a bad day yesterday but he has been brilliant throughout the league.

We should probably keep in mind the bad week he and his Club had.
This is very true,  he read at Connor's mass and it would break your heart
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Maroon Manc on March 25, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
McShane played at full forward prior to last week? Tyrone very impressive the last 2 weeks (although we definitely gave you a helping hand), didn't think you had the forwards a month ago but you look a completely different threat now with McShane, Harte & Donnelly spending more time in the forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 25, 2019, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 24, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 24, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
I think from a defensive point of view Tyrone have been much better of in the last two games with Rory Brennan and Michael Cassidy over Tiernan McCann. Over the last few years McCanns defensive abilities could be questioned, and in the big games against the big teams they have been exposed and have contributed towards our defeats. Just think if we are serious about All Irelands we need a better defensive option than Tiernan in the half back line.
Thats not to say he couldn't offer more further up the field, wing forward potentially ahead of Meyler (as someone said has limited footballing ability) as he does offer plenty in terms of attacking output.

Agree Meyler needs to add scores to his game, i think he is capable. I wouldnt be as critical of McCann but a half forward role would be interesting as he has been able to add scores to his game now

Dont agree that he has to add scores, the amount of scores he's involved in already would be impressive, he will get the odd score here and there but thats not his game and thats not why he's in there, he's an all round option and always showing, dogs the life out of his man and gets in his face, always available for a pass, plays like a quarterback almost thats he's constantly lookin to get hands on the balls and find runners off his shoulder and spread play!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on March 25, 2019, 01:58:25 PM
Morgan is an excellent keeper - right up there with Cluxton and Beggan.

He's come along way and is a lot more mature in terms of play and attitude than when he started.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 25, 2019, 03:21:44 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 25, 2019, 01:58:25 PM
Morgan is an excellent keeper - right up there with Cluxton and Beggan.

He's come along way and is a lot more mature in terms of play and attitude than when he started.

He's pretty much the go to blame guy these days which I find strange. I can only imagine it's somewhat led by old school - stay on your line traditionalists.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 25, 2019, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 25, 2019, 03:21:44 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 25, 2019, 01:58:25 PM
Morgan is an excellent keeper - right up there with Cluxton and Beggan.

He's come along way and is a lot more mature in terms of play and attitude than when he started.

He's pretty much the go to blame guy these days which I find strange. I can only imagine it's somewhat led by old school - stay on your line traditionalists.

I remember Packie used to stray out the pitch back in the day as well. Often used to see him with the hands on the hips out round the half back line with the FB/FF in closer to goal when the ball was up the pitch. There was the odd scramble when the ball was turned over and Packie was forced to go racing back to goal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 25, 2019, 05:15:00 PM
Poor Niall definitely had one of those bad days yesterday where the high risk things that he often pulls off where not going for him yesterday.
At one stage nearly every kick out was coming straight back in at him right away. You could blame him or the jumper for the ball but kicking against a strong wind this often happens
He totally mis-judged the flight of the ball for the goal but you'd imagine between himself and HP they could have worked it out better 2 v 1 and the one wasn't even that tall.

I thought Petey didn't have a great game as he ran into a lot of trouble like of days of old and a few times there seemed a kickable score on and he just recycled it which once actually led to the 3rd goal.
McShane as Aidan O'Rourke points out so well here has had a very impressive 3 months and has shut up a lot of the nay sayers. It certainly seems interesting that we could be looking at a FF line of Mattie, Petey and McShane come the summer although all three will probably be rotating in and out quite often.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0325/1038397-tyrones-attacking-prowess-a-tactical-evolution/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on March 25, 2019, 05:52:01 PM
McShane absolutely growing in confidence - even barking orders at PH and MD when pressing the keeper on kickouts.

If the shooting boots keep coming in, he will be a serious player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 25, 2019, 08:21:50 PM
Ronan O'Neill gone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on March 25, 2019, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 25, 2019, 05:15:00 PM
Poor Niall definitely had one of those bad days yesterday where the high risk things that he often pulls off where not going for him yesterday.
At one stage nearly every kick out was coming straight back in at him right away. You could blame him or the jumper for the ball but kicking against a strong wind this often happens
He totally mis-judged the flight of the ball for the goal but you'd imagine between himself and HP they could have worked it out better 2 v 1 and the one wasn't even that tall.

I thought Petey didn't have a great game as he ran into a lot of trouble like of days of old and a few times there seemed a kickable score on and he just recycled it which once actually led to the 3rd goal.
McShane as Aidan O'Rourke points out so well here has had a very impressive 3 months and has shut up a lot of the nay sayers. It certainly seems interesting that we could be looking at a FF line of Mattie, Petey and McShane come the summer although all three will probably be rotating in and out quite often.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0325/1038397-tyrones-attacking-prowess-a-tactical-evolution/

to be fair to morgan all the goals came that end and  where f**k ups of some description (didn't think it was a penalty imo) so the wind could have played a big part on the flight of the ball and coughs him out abit which can happen. but the result of the game was largely due to the goals turning momentum, we tend to struggle with physically bigger teams that match our work rate like galway and mayo and it was going this way until the penalty.

never thought i'd say this but mc stays analysis on keepers in general was spot on imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 25, 2019, 09:48:33 PM
Does the mark stay for the championship?? Suits Tyrone if it does...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on March 25, 2019, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2019, 08:21:50 PM
Ronan O'Neill gone

Is Grugan away as well or has he been injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on March 25, 2019, 10:38:21 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 25, 2019, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2019, 08:21:50 PM
Ronan O'Neill gone

Is Grugan away as well or has he been injured?

Injured
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 26, 2019, 07:57:10 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on March 25, 2019, 09:48:33 PM
Does the mark stay for the championship?? Suits Tyrone if it does...

Nope wont be in until next season.
Will suit most teams with a target man and is good for the game imo.

To name a few:

Galway - Comer
Donegal - Murphy
Mayo - O'Shea
Kerry - Walsh
Fermanagh - Quigley
Monaghan - McManus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on March 26, 2019, 08:17:51 AM
RONAN O'Neill has quit the Tyrone panel in frustration after failing to feature in any of the Red Hands' Division One games this year.

The sublimely talented Omagh St Enda's clubman was an ever-present throughout Tyrone's successful Dr McKenna Cup campaign this year but he was unable to nail down a place in Mickey Harte's National League squads and has walked away with a heavy heart. At 26, hopes to return to the inter-county scene at some stage in the future but will concentrate on the club game for the rest of this season.

"Towards the middle of the League I wasn't getting a look-in and I thought to myself: 'Should I maybe step away from this?'" he explained.

"Ultimately it was an extremely hard decision to make because Tyrone has been the best part of my life for eight years. I sat down and chatted to my father and he said to see how the League went and to keep pushing at training.

"But I wasn't getting into the matchday squads and people were asking why I wasn't and I just thought 'You know, maybe it's time to take a step back here' so I saw out the League and met Mickey on Sunday night and explained my decision.


"I had to think what was right for me. I was sitting about being part of the squad but not making much of an impact and I wasn't really happy doing what I was doing.

"Mickey listened to my reasons and he was supportive.

"He said that I wouldn't be the first person to step away and then come back again the following year. He gave me some things to work on and I'll use this club season to do so and reassess where I am for next year."

O'Neill first came to prominence as a schoolboy with Omagh CBS, spearheading their runs to the MacRory Cup finals in 2009 and 2010 and he was the star forward when the Tyrone minors won the All-Ireland in 2010, scoring 1-4 in the semi-final and two points in the decider against Cork.




He announced himself on the senior scene with a first-touch debut goal in the McKenna Cup two years later and, by 2013, aged 19, he was captain of the Tyrone U21 side and an established member of the senior panel.

He suffered a serious setback when he ruptured his cruciate while training for the Ulster SFC quarter-final against Donegal but returned to the fold the following year and, after top-scoring for Ulster University in the Sigerson Cup final, hit the target in every game of Tyrone's Division One campaign.

Since then O'Neill has won two Ulster Championships with Tyrone, lighting up Clones in the 2017 decider with an audacious chip into the Down net that showcased his natural, uncommon flair and fans will remember his 'Dab' celebration after a goal against Cavan in the 2016 Division 2 final. However, as the era of the footballing athlete took hold and with Tyrone regularly playing just one inside forward, O'Neill found his opportunities becoming limited.

His last Championship start was as a lone frontman against Mayo in the 2016 All-Ireland quarter-final but he did feature regularly as a substitute in last year's run to the All-Ireland final.

"I'm only 26, so I wouldn't like to think my county career is over yet," he said.

"Not getting game-time is the most frustrating thing.

"You do all the hard training and you want to be rewarded. It's the manager's worst nightmare picking 15 boys and then putting five in, they can't keep everybody happy especially at Tyrone with the panel being so competitive.

"But it left me frustrated and I was probably a bit snappy about the house with my parents and brothers and my girlfriend. I love playing for Tyrone and I love my county and I wish all the boys all the best – I sent them a message and I really do think the team will go on to win the All-Ireland and that's what made the decision even tougher."

O'Neill now intends to focus his energy on playing with Omagh St Enda's, the county champions in 2014 and 2017, before weighing up his inter-county options.

"Mickey has decided that Mattie (Donnelly) and Cathal (McShane) are more dangerous and physical up front and Petey (Harte) is playing off them," he said.

"The three of them are playing fantastically well and then you had myself, Connor McAliskey, Darren (McCurry), Lee (Brennan) and Kyle (Coney) fighting for other spots. It's a competitive field and sometimes those boys are going to be ahead and other times vice-versa.

"It happened to be me this time and I just thought I wasn't doing myself any justice sitting about there. I want to go back and play club football with Omagh which I love doing. I want to get a full year, hopefully injury-free playing football and playing to the best of my potential."

He added: "I thanked Mickey for helping me out over the years and the rest of the management – the boys who were there before and the boys who are there now – and the county board for supporting me.

"It'll not be the end of me but, for the time being, it'll be a halt of the progress."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 26, 2019, 08:23:23 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 26, 2019, 08:17:51 AM
RONAN O'Neill has quit the Tyrone panel in frustration after failing to feature in any of the Red Hands' Division One games this year.

The sublimely talented Omagh St Enda's clubman was an ever-present throughout Tyrone's successful Dr McKenna Cup campaign this year but he was unable to nail down a place in Mickey Harte's National League squads and has walked away with a heavy heart. At 26, hopes to return to the inter-county scene at some stage in the future but will concentrate on the club game for the rest of this season.

"Towards the middle of the League I wasn't getting a look-in and I thought to myself: 'Should I maybe step away from this?'" he explained.

"Ultimately it was an extremely hard decision to make because Tyrone has been the best part of my life for eight years. I sat down and chatted to my father and he said to see how the League went and to keep pushing at training.

"But I wasn't getting into the matchday squads and people were asking why I wasn't and I just thought 'You know, maybe it's time to take a step back here' so I saw out the League and met Mickey on Sunday night and explained my decision.


"I had to think what was right for me. I was sitting about being part of the squad but not making much of an impact and I wasn't really happy doing what I was doing.

"Mickey listened to my reasons and he was supportive.

"He said that I wouldn't be the first person to step away and then come back again the following year. He gave me some things to work on and I'll use this club season to do so and reassess where I am for next year."

O'Neill first came to prominence as a schoolboy with Omagh CBS, spearheading their runs to the MacRory Cup finals in 2009 and 2010 and he was the star forward when the Tyrone minors won the All-Ireland in 2010, scoring 1-4 in the semi-final and two points in the decider against Cork.




He announced himself on the senior scene with a first-touch debut goal in the McKenna Cup two years later and, by 2013, aged 19, he was captain of the Tyrone U21 side and an established member of the senior panel.

He suffered a serious setback when he ruptured his cruciate while training for the Ulster SFC quarter-final against Donegal but returned to the fold the following year and, after top-scoring for Ulster University in the Sigerson Cup final, hit the target in every game of Tyrone's Division One campaign.

Since then O'Neill has won two Ulster Championships with Tyrone, lighting up Clones in the 2017 decider with an audacious chip into the Down net that showcased his natural, uncommon flair and fans will remember his 'Dab' celebration after a goal against Cavan in the 2016 Division 2 final. However, as the era of the footballing athlete took hold and with Tyrone regularly playing just one inside forward, O'Neill found his opportunities becoming limited.

His last Championship start was as a lone frontman against Mayo in the 2016 All-Ireland quarter-final but he did feature regularly as a substitute in last year's run to the All-Ireland final.

"I'm only 26, so I wouldn't like to think my county career is over yet," he said.

"Not getting game-time is the most frustrating thing.

"You do all the hard training and you want to be rewarded. It's the manager's worst nightmare picking 15 boys and then putting five in, they can't keep everybody happy especially at Tyrone with the panel being so competitive.

"But it left me frustrated and I was probably a bit snappy about the house with my parents and brothers and my girlfriend. I love playing for Tyrone and I love my county and I wish all the boys all the best – I sent them a message and I really do think the team will go on to win the All-Ireland and that's what made the decision even tougher."

O'Neill now intends to focus his energy on playing with Omagh St Enda's, the county champions in 2014 and 2017, before weighing up his inter-county options.

"Mickey has decided that Mattie (Donnelly) and Cathal (McShane) are more dangerous and physical up front and Petey (Harte) is playing off them," he said.

"The three of them are playing fantastically well and then you had myself, Connor McAliskey, Darren (McCurry), Lee (Brennan) and Kyle (Coney) fighting for other spots. It's a competitive field and sometimes those boys are going to be ahead and other times vice-versa.

"It happened to be me this time and I just thought I wasn't doing myself any justice sitting about there. I want to go back and play club football with Omagh which I love doing. I want to get a full year, hopefully injury-free playing football and playing to the best of my potential."

He added: "I thanked Mickey for helping me out over the years and the rest of the management – the boys who were there before and the boys who are there now – and the county board for supporting me.

"It'll not be the end of me but, for the time being, it'll be a halt of the progress."
A year of club football will do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 26, 2019, 08:38:36 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 26, 2019, 08:17:51 AM
RONAN O'Neill has quit the Tyrone panel in frustration after failing to feature in any of the Red Hands' Division One games this year.

The sublimely talented Omagh St Enda's clubman was an ever-present throughout Tyrone's successful Dr McKenna Cup campaign this year but he was unable to nail down a place in Mickey Harte's National League squads and has walked away with a heavy heart. At 26, hopes to return to the inter-county scene at some stage in the future but will concentrate on the club game for the rest of this season.

"Towards the middle of the League I wasn't getting a look-in and I thought to myself: 'Should I maybe step away from this?'" he explained.

"Ultimately it was an extremely hard decision to make because Tyrone has been the best part of my life for eight years. I sat down and chatted to my father and he said to see how the League went and to keep pushing at training.

"But I wasn't getting into the matchday squads and people were asking why I wasn't and I just thought 'You know, maybe it's time to take a step back here' so I saw out the League and met Mickey on Sunday night and explained my decision.


"I had to think what was right for me. I was sitting about being part of the squad but not making much of an impact and I wasn't really happy doing what I was doing.

"Mickey listened to my reasons and he was supportive.

"He said that I wouldn't be the first person to step away and then come back again the following year. He gave me some things to work on and I'll use this club season to do so and reassess where I am for next year."

O'Neill first came to prominence as a schoolboy with Omagh CBS, spearheading their runs to the MacRory Cup finals in 2009 and 2010 and he was the star forward when the Tyrone minors won the All-Ireland in 2010, scoring 1-4 in the semi-final and two points in the decider against Cork.




He announced himself on the senior scene with a first-touch debut goal in the McKenna Cup two years later and, by 2013, aged 19, he was captain of the Tyrone U21 side and an established member of the senior panel.

He suffered a serious setback when he ruptured his cruciate while training for the Ulster SFC quarter-final against Donegal but returned to the fold the following year and, after top-scoring for Ulster University in the Sigerson Cup final, hit the target in every game of Tyrone's Division One campaign.

Since then O'Neill has won two Ulster Championships with Tyrone, lighting up Clones in the 2017 decider with an audacious chip into the Down net that showcased his natural, uncommon flair and fans will remember his 'Dab' celebration after a goal against Cavan in the 2016 Division 2 final. However, as the era of the footballing athlete took hold and with Tyrone regularly playing just one inside forward, O'Neill found his opportunities becoming limited.

His last Championship start was as a lone frontman against Mayo in the 2016 All-Ireland quarter-final but he did feature regularly as a substitute in last year's run to the All-Ireland final.

"I'm only 26, so I wouldn't like to think my county career is over yet," he said.

"Not getting game-time is the most frustrating thing.

"You do all the hard training and you want to be rewarded. It's the manager's worst nightmare picking 15 boys and then putting five in, they can't keep everybody happy especially at Tyrone with the panel being so competitive.

"But it left me frustrated and I was probably a bit snappy about the house with my parents and brothers and my girlfriend. I love playing for Tyrone and I love my county and I wish all the boys all the best – I sent them a message and I really do think the team will go on to win the All-Ireland and that's what made the decision even tougher."

O'Neill now intends to focus his energy on playing with Omagh St Enda's, the county champions in 2014 and 2017, before weighing up his inter-county options.

"Mickey has decided that Mattie (Donnelly) and Cathal (McShane) are more dangerous and physical up front and Petey (Harte) is playing off them," he said.

"The three of them are playing fantastically well and then you had myself, Connor McAliskey, Darren (McCurry), Lee (Brennan) and Kyle (Coney) fighting for other spots. It's a competitive field and sometimes those boys are going to be ahead and other times vice-versa.

"It happened to be me this time and I just thought I wasn't doing myself any justice sitting about there. I want to go back and play club football with Omagh which I love doing. I want to get a full year, hopefully injury-free playing football and playing to the best of my potential."

He added: "I thanked Mickey for helping me out over the years and the rest of the management – the boys who were there before and the boys who are there now – and the county board for supporting me.

"It'll not be the end of me but, for the time being, it'll be a halt of the progress."

Never really happened for him. There's no doubting his ability and talent. Probably have a storming season for Omagh now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 09:07:13 AM
He worded his withdrawal well without having a dig at anyone else and left the door open for a return. Fair play to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 26, 2019, 09:12:51 AM
In a different era, Ronan O'Neill may well have developed into a top class forward, but during an era of packed defences and forwards spending most of their time 70 yards from goal and tackling back, it was never going to be his forte. Omagh will benefit massively from this as he is a top class club forward. His cameo v Meath last year was the winning of the game. I wish him well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on March 26, 2019, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 09:07:13 AM
He worded his withdrawal well without having a dig at anyone else and left the door open for a return. Fair play to him.


Yeah, you cannot really argue with any of that. Really skilful forward but probably just not as naturally athletic as some of the other players he is competing with which is just a reflection of where the game has gone. Massive boost for Omagh for the club season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 26, 2019, 10:04:05 AM
Very well worded and complimentary of Mickey and his team mates. Amazing talent with ball in hand and could deliver a pin point pass with great vision but sadly, his lack of pace and urgency for me meant he was often turned over and gave the ball away.
Despite his skill set he did have a tendency to miss the odd important free in big games that other "clutch" players would nail. I think Mickey played him a lot of times when you could see he was struggling to meet the grade and so he never really fulfilled the potential he had as a younger player, but that happens many players.
It will be interesting to see how Coney does now he has been given a second chance and if the fans can help him rather than get on his back when a difficult pass goes astray or he tries a tough shot when a more simple ball was on.
Many of us have got on McShane's case the last few years but the lad has got on with it and looks one of our best forwards now. If we could make him go for goals more often when he wins a high ball inside like the Dubs do regularly and are so much more clinical than us. Look at how Costello had only one thing in mind when he won that ball a few weeks ago. Mugsy should have a word with him.  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 26, 2019, 10:05:07 AM
Quote from: TabClear on March 26, 2019, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 09:07:13 AM
He worded his withdrawal well without having a dig at anyone else and left the door open for a return. Fair play to him.


Yeah, you cannot really argue with any of that. Really skilful forward but probably just not as naturally athletic as some of the other players he is competing with which is just a reflection of where the game has gone. Massive boost for Omagh for the club season.

Captain of Tyrone U21 at 19 going into an Ulster Final with regular comparisons to Canavan he seemed to be in a great place and had no bother carrying the expectation then it all came tumbling down with that bad knee injury at training. I think he had a bit more raw pace that never came back after the injury, add to the rehab the bulking and pure distance these lads have to cover now as athletes and it all just picked away at his strong suit and no doubt confidence as the days of a small elusive inside man are numbered at county level, of the few we have Canavan and Brennan still have that fresh bounce and natural pace to do damage, hopefully they stay free of major injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along

;D It's really bugs you when Tyrone start to play well doesn't it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 26, 2019, 10:46:50 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along

He just wasn't up to the standard unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along

;D It's really bugs you when Tyrone start to play well doesn't it.
bugs me? I really enjoy it and the last 2 games look like a new era. How could any football man not enjoy it? What bugs me is the fact we have just wasted at least 5 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along

;D It's really bugs you when Tyrone start to play well doesn't it.
bugs me? I really enjoy it and the last 2 games look like a new era. How could any football man not enjoy it? What bugs me is the fact we have just wasted at least 5 years.
No your devastated. Same way you went quiet for most of the year last year. Doesn't help your constant narrative on here when the team are playing well. Only in your eyes would 2 Ulsters, quarter final appearances, semi final appearances and AI final appearance be classed as wasted especially in an era when we are up against the best County Team I've seen playing. Tyrone had many a wasted year in your reckoning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 26, 2019, 11:52:22 AM
Ronan had some memorable moments and deserves credit for his commitment.Could bounce back again lmo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along

;D It's really bugs you when Tyrone start to play well doesn't it.
bugs me? I really enjoy it and the last 2 games look like a new era. How could any football man not enjoy it? What bugs me is the fact we have just wasted at least 5 years.
No your devastated. Same way you went quiet for most of the year last year. Doesn't help your constant narrative on here when the team are playing well. Only in your eyes would 2 Ulsters, quarter final appearances, semi final appearances and AI final appearance be classed as wasted especially in an era when we are up against the best County Team I've seen playing. Tyrone had many a wasted year in your reckoning.
devestated? More like vindicated. Go on, admit harte got it totally wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 26, 2019, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 26, 2019, 11:52:22 AM
Ronan had some memorable moments and deserves credit for his commitment.Could bounce back again lmo.

Lovely footballer - maybe swallowed up by the physiques of modern defenders at intercounty level - will torture club players in division one this year.

That said, he didn't do himself justice this year, he clearly wasn't in shape early on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on March 26, 2019, 12:35:49 PM
Good luck to him in his deicsion.. We know only too well of his ability at club level as he scored the decisive score in the 2014 county final against us..I do feel however that he should focus on club football as long as Harte is at the helm.. Clearly does not and will not fit Hartes idea of a modern day forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 12:41:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along

;D It's really bugs you when Tyrone start to play well doesn't it.
bugs me? I really enjoy it and the last 2 games look like a new era. How could any football man not enjoy it? What bugs me is the fact we have just wasted at least 5 years.
No your devastated. Same way you went quiet for most of the year last year. Doesn't help your constant narrative on here when the team are playing well. Only in your eyes would 2 Ulsters, quarter final appearances, semi final appearances and AI final appearance be classed as wasted especially in an era when we are up against the best County Team I've seen playing. Tyrone had many a wasted year in your reckoning.
devestated? More like vindicated. Go on, admit harte got it totally wrong.
We'll park it there. I ain't disappearing down that rabbit hole with you again.
As mentioned with regards to O'Neill, a classy statement from someone who never lacked desire. I'm fairly certain we'll see him in a Tyrone shirt again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 12:41:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along

;D It's really bugs you when Tyrone start to play well doesn't it.
bugs me? I really enjoy it and the last 2 games look like a new era. How could any football man not enjoy it? What bugs me is the fact we have just wasted at least 5 years.
No your devastated. Same way you went quiet for most of the year last year. Doesn't help your constant narrative on here when the team are playing well. Only in your eyes would 2 Ulsters, quarter final appearances, semi final appearances and AI final appearance be classed as wasted especially in an era when we are up against the best County Team I've seen playing. Tyrone had many a wasted year in your reckoning.
devestated? More like vindicated. Go on, admit harte got it totally wrong.
We'll park it there. I ain't disappearing down that rabbit hole with you again.
As mentioned with regards to O'Neill, a classy statement from someone who never lacked desire. I'm fairly certain we'll see him in a Tyrone shirt again.
I agree, hopefully we see him in a Tyrone shirt again with a manager that knows what to do with him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on March 26, 2019, 12:58:33 PM
How many county footballers of that stature do you see these days? I think he's very gifted but in terms of how the county game is physical size counts very much against him. That isn't Harte's fault - nor to be honest his.

Though from anything I have read here you seem to be able to twist anything to try and stick the knife in heart. Very sad behaviour. What a failure getting you to an Ai final, winning silverware repeatedly and consistently being among the top 4 or 5 teams in the country...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 26, 2019, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2019, 12:58:33 PM
How many county footballers of that stature do you see these days? I think he's very gifted but in terms of how the county game is physical size counts very much against him. That isn't Harte's fault - nor to be honest his.

Though from anything I have read here you seem to be able to twist anything to try and stick the knife in heart. Very sad behaviour. What a failure getting you to an Ai final, winning silverware repeatedly and consistently being among the top 4 or 5 teams in the country...

Unfortunately if he stuck to commenting on football I wouldn't agree with him but you could put up with it as opinions and all that. But some of the personal comments against Harte were low. The one in particular regarding Michaela's charity was particularly disgusting and should have resulted in a ban.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 26, 2019, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 26, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
Best of luck to ronan o Neill in the future. Ruined by negative puke ball this last 5 odd years. Could have been a star. Such a waste of talent. Harte has alot to answer for and now he taking credit for playing the way we should have been all along

Will you give it a rest for once in your life. Your absence on here after the Dublin game was telling.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 09:42:10 AM
Interesting read http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/03/26/news/forward-reassignment-was-stumbled-upon-at-training-insists-tyrone-s-mattie-donnelly-1582541/

Appears the players stumbled on this formation instead of it being a worked on plan. You would have to question if the players didnt find this out would mickey have stuck to the same game plan that has failed many times before?

The real test will be i tight games and Tyrone go a fee points down if mickey can resist trying to defend a loss. No matter what happens i hope tyrone stick to this current style of football. I would rather watch them get beat playing like this than mass defending.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 27, 2019, 11:14:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 09:42:10 AM
Interesting read http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/03/26/news/forward-reassignment-was-stumbled-upon-at-training-insists-tyrone-s-mattie-donnelly-1582541/

Appears the players stumbled on this formation instead of it being a worked on plan. You would have to question if the players didnt find this out would mickey have stuck to the same game plan that has failed many times before?

The real test will be i tight games and Tyrone go a fee points down if mickey can resist trying to defend a loss. No matter what happens i hope tyrone stick to this current style of football. I would rather watch them get beat playing like this than mass defending.

Like last Sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 27, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 09:42:10 AM
Interesting read http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/03/26/news/forward-reassignment-was-stumbled-upon-at-training-insists-tyrone-s-mattie-donnelly-1582541/

Appears the players stumbled on this formation instead of it being a worked on plan. You would have to question if the players didnt find this out would mickey have stuck to the same game plan that has failed many times before?

The real test will be i tight games and Tyrone go a fee points down if mickey can resist trying to defend a loss. No matter what happens i hope tyrone stick to this current style of football. I would rather watch them get beat playing like this than mass defending.

Does this suggest player power?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 11:54:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 27, 2019, 11:14:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 09:42:10 AM
Interesting read http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/03/26/news/forward-reassignment-was-stumbled-upon-at-training-insists-tyrone-s-mattie-donnelly-1582541/

Appears the players stumbled on this formation instead of it being a worked on plan. You would have to question if the players didnt find this out would mickey have stuck to the same game plan that has failed many times before?

The real test will be i tight games and Tyrone go a fee points down if mickey can resist trying to defend a loss. No matter what happens i hope tyrone stick to this current style of football. I would rather watch them get beat playing like this than mass defending.

Like last Sunday?

Yes like last Sunday. Although i have a feeling that going down a few points in a national league game will be slightly different than say an ai semi final. The temptation to revert back to old ways will be strong.

Really hope we continue to play like this regardless of the opposition. This would give the players great confidence and allow more time to perfect it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: WT4E on March 27, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 09:42:10 AM
Interesting read http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/03/26/news/forward-reassignment-was-stumbled-upon-at-training-insists-tyrone-s-mattie-donnelly-1582541/

Appears the players stumbled on this formation instead of it being a worked on plan. You would have to question if the players didnt find this out would mickey have stuck to the same game plan that has failed many times before?

The real test will be i tight games and Tyrone go a fee points down if mickey can resist trying to defend a loss. No matter what happens i hope tyrone stick to this current style of football. I would rather watch them get beat playing like this than mass defending.

Does this suggest player power?

Hopefully the players are being more vocal and are voicing their beliefs more. It sort of paints the managment in a less than postive light if they didnt foresee a need to change tactics before the players did.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 27, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
Hang on a minute? Stumbled upon a new formation? Long ball into big target man has been used successfully by teams for over a hundred years. I wish Tyrone players would do less interviews.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 27, 2019, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
Hang on a minute? Stumbled upon a new formation? Long ball into big target man has been used successfully by teams for over a hundred years. I wish Tyrone players would do less interviews.

I remember ricey saying in an interview that the harass system employed against Kerry in 2003 was unplanned and unprepared. Take what players say with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
Hang on a minute? Stumbled upon a new formation? Long ball into big target man has been used successfully by teams for over a hundred years. I wish Tyrone players would do less interviews.

Lol to clarify I obviously meant new to Tyrone. Seems to be a lot of interviews recently. Ironically seems to be more now than in the lead up to the AI final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 27, 2019, 02:12:03 PM
There a fair bit of scrambling for something to criticise here. I wouldn't be reading too much into a few media quotes. This change of system has had quite a lot of media attention, teams will be focusing on it for the championship. To give out the idea that it was just stumbled upon by chance and not really something they have worked on smacks a little of diversion tactics. Reading a quote from a player (Tiernan McCann maybe) a few weeks ago about "unleashing attacking fury" before the Monaghan game and you might just come to the conclusion that this may just be a little bit more planned than Matty is suggesting. One thing I'm sure we can all agree about Mickey Harte regardless of what you think of him, he is meticulous in his preparation and is quite rigid in how he expects his teams to go about their business. The idea that he's letting them just crack on with their own idea of playing rails fairly heavily against that. My advice is to just relax and enjoy the championship lads....we don't always need to be criticising EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 27, 2019, 02:43:22 PM
We don't have to gloss over everything either Benny. A bit of critique can keep things focussed. Like you say enjoy our new found football freedom and we will get harte out when the time comes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on March 28, 2019, 07:01:25 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 27, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
Hang on a minute? Stumbled upon a new formation? Long ball into big target man has been used successfully by teams for over a hundred years. I wish Tyrone players would do less interviews.

Lol to clarify I obviously meant new to Tyrone. Seems to be a lot of interviews recently. Ironically seems to be more now than in the lead up to the AI final

And another one in this mornings Irish News..... McGeary
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 28, 2019, 08:14:45 AM
I have no idea why people care if they are giving interviews or not. For as long as I remember players have given interviews. What's the big deal here? It's good to see our players having a bit of a profile. If they weren't allowed to give interviews people would be giving out about the closed camp and Harte being a dictator etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 28, 2019, 08:38:36 AM
Harte is a dictator but I'm not sure what that has to do with the interviews.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 28, 2019, 10:51:07 AM
He's not a very good dictator if it's the players you are praising for the new tactics.

You jump on the bandwagon when things go well (and say it's all down to the players) and then when things go bad you turn on the team and blame Harte. You aren't a Tyrone supporter so no idea why you spend so much time on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 28, 2019, 11:28:03 AM
Will see how big a Tyrone supporter you are when your idol is no longer manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 28, 2019, 11:34:04 AM
Of course Harte is a Dictator. Every manager is. It's when managers aren't dictators or their authority undermined the problems arise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2019, 11:39:35 AM
Overall an encouraging league campaign and a renewed sense for optimism however it's only the league and we shouldn't get too carried away. I'm not sure how well the direct ball into Donnelly and McShane will work in the Championship as a) it's now well signposted what Tyrone will look to do and the opposition will adjust for that and b) the rules will revert back to the normal so defenders will be waiting to pounce on the guy who wins the ball.

I was delighted to see Cassidy get his opportunity and take it on Sunday, he is a fine player and has been knocking about the panel for 3 or 4 years now but injuries and the form of other players have limited his chances. He should retain his place for the Championship opener and hopefully maintains his form.

We've certainly added some good options this year, guys like McDonnell and Kennedy have came in and done reasonably well. Coney has been making an impact off the bench and his passing and football brain is something that stands out from some of the other players. Kieran McGeary has done brilliantly the last few games, Richie Donnelly was excellent against Dublin and again gives us a player who has the vision to kick early and accurately off both feet. There's certainly a nice balance developing and sometimes it can take players 3-4 years to get acclimatised to the level needed .

On the panel itself from my reckoning we currently have 8 players with us that were not there last year (McCurry, Coney, Grugan, Kennedy, Gallen, Rafferty, Canavan, Murnaghan). I would hope and expect Canavan and Murnaghan to drop down to the u20s in the coming months, it's good experience for them to be involved in the senior campaign but they can contribute much more to the u20s this year which should have a very good shot of provincial and national honours. That would leave us with 6 new additions.

From last year we have lost:

McCarron (retired)
Mickey O'Neill (retired)
McNulty (opted out/injury)
Bradley (opted out)
Ronan O'Neill (opted out)
Ruairi Sludden (cut)

Which would effectively leave us with the same size squad as last year but there are a number of players who we haven't seen at all from last year who I'm wondering if they are still involved? From those not named in the squad for Galway that were involved last year:

Ronan McNabb - he wasn't involved in any squad in the McKenna Cup or League and played very little last year. I'm presuming that he has left the squad or perhaps he is injured? He's been very unlucky with injury in the past and an ACL injury after a superb year for Tyrone in 2015 may have been the end of him.

Declan McClure - hasn't been involved in the last few league squads but did play in some of the early games and showed well in the McKenna Cup so I'm presuming it's an injury issue.

Conan Grugan - I presume it's an injury as he has not been involved since the Mayo game which was only our 2nd match of the league campaign

Ciaran McLaughlin - played quite a bit of the McKenna Cup and League but I thought he struggled so I'd presume it's an injury or form related and he is still involved.

Harry Loughran - think he has had one appearance in the league but don't think he featured in the McKenna Cup so presumably it's injury related and struggling to break into a team going well on his return to fitness

David Mulgrew - played the first half of the opening game against Kerry and hasn't been seen since. Again I would say this is an injury, he's a player with great potential but has seen his first few years on the Tyrone panel hampered with injuries. Could be hard for him to make an impact this year now.

Brendan Burns - did his ACL last year so would presume he should be on the way back shortly and the club month might help bring him on but again I would say he is unlikely to be pushing for a place this year.

Ronan McHugh - again hasn't featured this year and I think he suffered a bad injury near the end of last year so I'd presume he won't be involved this year but heard nothing otherwise

Am I forgetting anybody else?


Overall the squad is stronger than last year, particularly in a physical sense and I don't think we will be overawed physically by some of the top teams like we possibly have in the past 3/4 years. Hoping that we can keep all our key players fit and healthy and have a long summer ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 28, 2019, 03:29:28 PM
Thats serious injury list thats a team nearly on its own.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 28, 2019, 04:03:50 PM
Not one of them are starters. I don't mean to be rude. But Mulgrew....at a push. The rest are / will be panellists.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 28, 2019, 05:18:48 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 28, 2019, 04:03:50 PM
Not one of them are starters. I don't mean to be rude. But Mulgrew....at a push. The rest are / will be panellists.

I was hoping Grugan could have made a big impact for us this year. Of that group I think Grugan and Mulgrew are probably the only ones capable of pushing into the starting lineup but it will be difficult for them now with a lot of players impressing over the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 05, 2019, 04:10:13 PM
Living in Dublin, I never get to see any club football so am always interested to hear people's opinion on club games involving county men.

Just wondering what are people's thoughts now of who has a chance of pushing their way into the starting 15 or 21 including subs?
Have we moved away from playing smaller players like Bradley(I know he's away) and say Lee Brennan or will these guys get their chance mid summer?

McShane has probably made the most progress this year so far and has proven a lot of doubters wrong about him. Of course some will say it was only league football and can he do it in the championship but I think he will prove to be a very important player in the years ahead.
Rotating Mattie and Peter Harte into that FF line too seems to be proving very beneficial but I'd still like to see a natural talented corner forward who excites us when he gets the ball.
Donegal will be pushing hard this year to make up for last year and you would imagine with a few of their big guns back they will like some revenge for last year. They do not have the same fear of Tyrone that they used to have pre McGuinness.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 05, 2019, 04:31:59 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 05, 2019, 04:10:13 PM
Living in Dublin, I never get to see any club football so am always interested to hear people's opinion on club games involving county men.

Just wondering what are people's thoughts now of who has a chance of pushing their way into the starting 15 or 21 including subs?
Have we moved away from playing smaller players like Bradley(I know he's away) and say Lee Brennan or will these guys get their chance mid summer?

McShane has probably made the most progress this year so far and has proven a lot of doubters wrong about him. Of course some will say it was only league football and can he do it in the championship but I think he will prove to be a very important player in the years ahead.
Rotating Mattie and Peter Harte into that FF line too seems to be proving very beneficial but I'd still like to see a natural talented corner forward who excites us when he gets the ball.
Donegal will be pushing hard this year to make up for last year and you would imagine with a few of their big guns back they will like some revenge for last year. They do not have the same fear of Tyrone that they used to have pre McGuinness.

You will soon. Might take a year or two but he's there already. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 05, 2019, 06:34:49 PM
Will we see anything of young Canavan this summer?
I get the feeling Mickey will be happy to throw him in early.
Will he be more of a half forward with more space to operate or a corner forward man?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on April 05, 2019, 09:28:35 PM
Lee Brennan will be there or thereabouts come August
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on April 11, 2019, 10:07:03 PM
Is this where its all about to kick off??  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 11, 2019, 10:13:15 PM
I'd say so......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on April 11, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
But is it old or new? Please god let it be old.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on April 11, 2019, 10:24:38 PM
Not much you can do when you're handcuffed  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on April 11, 2019, 10:38:07 PM
I'm praying it's old. The tattoo work appears to be different. It's definitely a thorough examination...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 11, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
 Pure filth. And to think he was in the paper last week slabberin that he doesn't rule out a return to the Tyrone jersey. No chance mate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on April 11, 2019, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 11, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
Pure filth. And to think he was in the paper last week slabberin that he doesn't rule out a return to the Tyrone jersey. No chance mate.

It's far from ideal and has been a horrible situation for all involved. But I wonder would you describe it as 'filth' had the warden and guard in question been female?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on April 11, 2019, 10:53:27 PM
Is that a qualified physician giving an examination whilst following guidelines?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 11, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on April 11, 2019, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 11, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
Pure filth. And to think he was in the paper last week slabberin that he doesn't rule out a return to the Tyrone jersey. No chance mate.

It's far from ideal and has been a horrible situation for all involved. But I wonder would you describe it as 'filth' had the warden and guard in question been female?
listen i like a bit of rimming as much as the next man but i usually get the wife to do it and i dont let anyone fuckin film it to show the whole world while representing my county. mc carron is filth, not the actual acts as such.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on April 12, 2019, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 11, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on April 11, 2019, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 11, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
Pure filth. And to think he was in the paper last week slabberin that he doesn't rule out a return to the Tyrone jersey. No chance mate.

It's far from ideal and has been a horrible situation for all involved. But I wonder would you describe it as 'filth' had the warden and guard in question been female?
listen i like a bit of rimming as much as the next man but i usually get the wife to do it and i dont let anyone fuckin film it to show the whole world while representing my county. mc carron is filth, not the actual acts as such.




Lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on April 12, 2019, 12:21:20 PM
Only 4 weeks to the start of the championship lads. Hard to believe it is back already.
Surely Derry will be a bit better placed for a scrap than they were in previous years.
Going through their league unbeaten surely will at least be good for their confidence. Have they any new young players to watch out for? It will be interesting to see do they play a heavy blanket and try to contain Tyrone or go for it.

I wonder will Mickey continue where he left off in March with Mattie, Petey and McShane rotating into full forward and us playing a lot more direct?

Will this game be all ticket or just pay at the gate I wonder? I presume the Derry support won't be that great.

Surprisingly, you have to go back to 2011 for the last time Tyrone won a 1st round/Preliminary round game in Omagh when we beat Monaghan. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on April 12, 2019, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 12, 2019, 12:21:20 PM
Only 4 weeks to the start of the championship lads. Hard to believe it is back already.
Surely Derry will be a bit better placed for a scrap than they were in previous years.
Going through their league unbeaten surely will at least be good for their confidence. Have they any new young players to watch out for? It will be interesting to see do they play a heavy blanket and try to contain Tyrone or go for it.

I wonder will Mickey continue where he left off in March with Mattie, Petey and McShane rotating into full forward and us playing a lot more direct?

Will this game be all ticket or just pay at the gate I wonder? I presume the Derry support won't be that great.

Surprisingly, you have to go back to 2011 for the last time Tyrone won a 1st round/Preliminary round game in Omagh when we beat Monaghan.

I would love to see this happen.
It bore great dividends in the league.

Hoping we dont revert to type in the c'ship or as the c'ship progresses and the games get tougher. It may get us far but it wont win Sam which has to be the aim
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 12, 2019, 02:18:45 PM
I wonder what game time Lee Brennan will get this summer. His form mustn't have been great in training over the spring with his lack of match time.

Can see him being restricted to the last 20 minutes for a lot of the summer. Don't forget about McAliskey as well. He'll be a great man to have alongside McShane and Donnelly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 12, 2019, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 12, 2019, 02:18:45 PM
I wonder what game time Lee Brennan will get this summer. His form mustn't have been great in training over the spring with his lack of match time.

Can see him being restricted to the last 20 minutes for a lot of the summer. Don't forget about McAliskey as well. He'll be a great man to have alongside McShane and Donnelly.

Very little, until he learns to run backwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on April 12, 2019, 05:07:02 PM
I thought the big ques was whether this was an old or new video, but ok, ill be curious about this too 😃😃😃
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 12, 2019, 08:29:08 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 12, 2019, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 11, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
listen i like a bit of rimming as much as the next man but i usually get the wife to do it...
The big question is then, do you reciprocate?
if it's ass lickers you're looking for go up to garvaghy and you'll find plenty of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 12, 2019, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 12, 2019, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 12, 2019, 02:18:45 PM
I wonder what game time Lee Brennan will get this summer. His form mustn't have been great in training over the spring with his lack of match time.

Can see him being restricted to the last 20 minutes for a lot of the summer. Don't forget about McAliskey as well. He'll be a great man to have alongside McShane and Donnelly.

Very little, until he learns to run backwards.

Don't think that's the issue at all. Harte tried playing him up the pitch v Monaghan last year and in early league games. Problem was he struggled to win his own ball when kicked in. He's still young so it might come but at minute seems better suited to an impact sub role.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on April 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
Our u17s/minors won the Jim McGuigan Cup yesterday, it's 2012 since we last won an Ulster Minor Championship which is a fair wait for us -  we've had a few decent sides at this grade who just haven't delivered in the past few seasons so hopefully this side can see it out in the summer.

Any word on the u20s? Similarly enough to the minors we have really struggled at this grade in the past, 2015 being an aberration to that, we have only won one of the last 12 Ulster Championships at this grade.

We've probably had some of the best sides on paper at these grades over the last number of years but really failed to make an impression.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on April 15, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
When does the u20 ulster championship start?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on April 16, 2019, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 15, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
When does the u20 ulster championship start?

End of May i think. The whole un20 competition including AI is usaully ran off in about 6-8 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on April 17, 2019, 12:08:00 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 15, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
When does the u20 ulster championship start?

30th June against the winners of Down / Antrim
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on April 21, 2019, 11:18:48 PM
Our glorious leader must have some time on his hands.... going by twitter he has been announced as part of the new Tyrone u14 management team along with other Made Men of the family.

If any of the players make it to senior level and are indoctrinated early enough will they be forever obedient to the leader and then his senior team successor which looks increasingly likely to be mark jong-un?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on April 22, 2019, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on April 21, 2019, 11:18:48 PM
Our glorious leader must have some time on his hands.... going by twitter he has been announced as part of the new Tyrone u14 management team along with other Made Men of the family.

If any of the players make it to senior level and are indoctrinated early enough will they be forever obedient to the leader and then his senior team successor which looks increasingly likely to be mark jong-un?

Surely cant be true
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 22, 2019, 09:40:59 AM
Only after seeing this on hoganstand! Thought it was a late April fools. Why the need for an u14 team? We already have u15s. Cartel flexing it's muscle's again and Tony Donnelly the only decent football man among them. A disgrace.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on April 23, 2019, 07:40:42 AM
Quote from: tiempo on April 22, 2019, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on April 21, 2019, 11:18:48 PM
Our glorious leader must have some time on his hands.... going by twitter he has been announced as part of the new Tyrone u14 management team along with other Made Men of the family.

If any of the players make it to senior level and are indoctrinated early enough will they be forever obedient to the leader and then his senior team successor which looks increasingly likely to be mark jong-un?

Surely cant be true

https://twitter.com/TyroneGAALive/status/1119336899531943946?s=19 must be true unless Tyrone Twitter page are publishing fake news
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 23, 2019, 10:24:39 AM
It's on hoganstand. I can't get my head round it. All I can think is it's a way of getting mark harte involved with county teams so he can work his way into the big job?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on April 23, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2019, 10:24:39 AM
It's on hoganstand. I can't get my head round it. All I can think is it's a way of getting mark harte involved with county teams so he can work his way into the big job?

Mark managed my own club a couple of years ago. He's a damn good coach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 23, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on April 23, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2019, 10:24:39 AM
It's on hoganstand. I can't get my head round it. All I can think is it's a way of getting mark harte involved with county teams so he can work his way into the big job?

Mark managed my own club a couple of years ago. He's a damn good coach.
ballinderry boys might not agree.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on April 23, 2019, 11:48:08 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: gaafan2 on April 23, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 23, 2019, 10:24:39 AM
It's on hoganstand. I can't get my head round it. All I can think is it's a way of getting mark harte involved with county teams so he can work his way into the big job?

Mark managed my own club a couple of years ago. He's a damn good coach.
ballinderry boys might not agree.

Ballinderry aren't the team they used to be, everybody knows that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 23, 2019, 11:59:00 AM
Well maybe he is a good coach. If so put his name forward and interview him for minors or u20s, not sneak him in the back door with some manufactured u14 team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on April 23, 2019, 01:44:07 PM
Why are the usual idiots so riled up about this u14 side and the management team. For me I think it's brilliant that these young lads get the benefit of working with some high profile and highly decorated management and coaches. It's not as if Mark Harte has been thrown in as u20 manager or minor manager. And he has a fairly decent track record in any case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on April 23, 2019, 06:18:13 PM
Not all good coaches make good managers

FFS. Mark cannot manage to trim his own eyebrows
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 23, 2019, 11:19:52 PM
My first thought when I heard about this was possibly Mickey planning for what he wants to do with his time after he steps down as senior boss.

But I agree with Fionntamhnach, I really don't think having a county u-14 squad is a positive thing. The club and a bit of school football should be the players only focus at that age.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on April 23, 2019, 11:52:01 PM
I think the county board have lost the run of themselves. U14 county development squads are a complete waste of time and resources. Nothing more than a job creation scheme for The family.  This county needs to wise to f up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 24, 2019, 08:20:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 23, 2019, 11:19:52 PM
My first thought when I heard about this was possibly Mickey planning for what he wants to do with his time after he steps down as senior boss.

But I agree with Fionntamhnach, I really don't think having a county u-14 squad is a positive thing. The club and a bit of school football should be the players only focus at that age.
do you seriously think Mickey will step down when his contact ends in 2020?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on April 24, 2019, 09:20:16 AM
The County have been running U14 Academy squads for the last 6/7 years. No point in you all jumping in and criticising now.

They only have a few training sessions and blitzes in the summer months - Calm down!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on April 24, 2019, 10:37:30 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on April 24, 2019, 09:20:16 AM
The County have been running U14 Academy squads for the last 6/7 years. No point in you all jumping in and criticising now.

They only have a few training sessions and blitzes in the summer months - Calm down!

Totally agree GlenMan.
It has been running for sometime but now that MH gets involved people have an issue?

It isnt just Tyrone that has an academy at this age either - many other counties have similar
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 24, 2019, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on April 24, 2019, 09:20:16 AM
The County have been running U14 Academy squads for the last 6/7 years. No point in you all jumping in and criticising now.

They only have a few training sessions and blitzes in the summer months - Calm down!
if it's just a few training sessions and blitzes then why would senior management be getting involved? Nobody can tell me any of it makes sense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on April 24, 2019, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 24, 2019, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on April 24, 2019, 09:20:16 AM
The County have been running U14 Academy squads for the last 6/7 years. No point in you all jumping in and criticising now.

They only have a few training sessions and blitzes in the summer months - Calm down!
if it's just a few training sessions and blitzes then why would senior management be getting involved? Nobody can tell me any of it makes sense.

I heard he is thinking of giving a few of the U-14s a run out against Derry and just wants to see them up close himself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on April 27, 2019, 11:01:46 PM
Good win for the minors today though with the backdoor the early games don't really count for much.

I see Canavan and Murnaghan will now go with the u20s which I think is the correct decision for the sake of their development.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on April 28, 2019, 08:28:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 24, 2019, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on April 24, 2019, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on April 24, 2019, 09:20:16 AM
The County have been running U14 Academy squads for the last 6/7 years. No point in you all jumping in and criticising now.

They only have a few training sessions and blitzes in the summer months - Calm down!
if it's just a few training sessions and blitzes then why would senior management be getting involved? Nobody can tell me any of it makes sense.

I heard he is thinking of giving a few of the U-14s a run out against Derry and just wants to see them up close himself.

Mind you it would probably be enough to beat Derry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 30, 2019, 09:17:58 AM
Under 14 Academy question.

I don't know the answer, nor is it a loaded question.

Did Dublin do something like this 10 or so years ago?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 06, 2019, 07:08:26 PM
Tyrone playing this weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Team predictions for Sunday? I'll go for

Morgan

McKernan
McNamee
HP McGeary

T McCann
Hampsey
Meyler

Cavanagh
Kennedy

R Donnelly
Harte
Sludden

M Donnelly
McShane
K McGeary

Alternatively we could have Frank Burns at 6 with Hampsey replacing Hugh Pat at corner back. It's probably harsh to omit Ben McDonnell who I think started the final 5 League games and was always solid enough but I think Kennedy will get the nod ahead of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 08, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Team predictions for Sunday? I'll go for

Morgan

McKernan
McNamee
HP McGeary

T McCann
Hampsey
Meyler

Cavanagh
Kennedy

R Donnelly
Harte
Sludden

M Donnelly
McShane
K McGeary

Alternatively we could have Frank Burns at 6 with Hampsey replacing Hugh Pat at corner back. It's probably harsh to omit Ben McDonnell who I think started the final 5 League games and was always solid enough but I think Kennedy will get the nod ahead of him.

You'd have to guess that you wont be too far away with that team. Burns the most likely change, though you couldn't rule out McDonnell based on the league. Cassidy had a good game against Galway as well.

There is generally  a surprise starter for the first round based on who is going well in training. Could be someone like McClure or McCurry depending on how he decides to play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Right footed free taker?
Could Sludden lose his place?
Meyler the most likely there I think to lose out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2019, 01:12:50 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Team predictions for Sunday? I'll go for

Morgan

McKernan
McNamee
HP McGeary

T McCann
Hampsey
Meyler

Cavanagh
Kennedy

R Donnelly
Harte
Sludden

M Donnelly
McShane
K McGeary

Alternatively we could have Frank Burns at 6 with Hampsey replacing Hugh Pat at corner back. It's probably harsh to omit Ben McDonnell who I think started the final 5 League games and was always solid enough but I think Kennedy will get the nod ahead of him.

Something along those lines I'd expect. Guys like McDonnell, Burns, R Brennan and Cassidy will be pushing hard.

Harte has said we have pretty much a fully fit squad now which is good to hear.

Taking out thst starting XV, we have some very capable options from the bench.

The likes of McCurry, McAliskey, Coney, Burns, Brennan x2, Mulgrew, Grugan, Cassidy and McDonnell to name a few.

I do have some doubts about HP McGeary as a starter though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 08, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Right footed free taker?
Could Sludden lose his place?
Meyler the most likely there I think to lose out.
We haven't had one in a long, long time. None since Peter the great on the right hand side - totally reliable, already accounted for in your head before he even gets into routine.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 08, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 08, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Right footed free taker?
Could Sludden lose his place?
Meyler the most likely there I think to lose out.
We haven't had one in a long, long time. None since Peter the great on the right hand side - totally reliable, already accounted for in your head before he even gets into routine.

McShane had been taking the right footed free kicks in the league and doing reasonably ok.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 08, 2019, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 08, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 08, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Right footed free taker?
Could Sludden lose his place?
Meyler the most likely there I think to lose out.
We haven't had one in a long, long time. None since Peter the great on the right hand side - totally reliable, already accounted for in your head before he even gets into routine.

McShane had been taking the right footed free kicks in the league and doing reasonably ok.

Yeah, McShane on the handier ones within 30 metres from goal and Morgan on anything further out from that side. I think that is as good as we have. McAliskey isn't good enough to warrant a starting jersey solely on his free taking ability
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 08, 2019, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 08, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 08, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Right footed free taker?
Could Sludden lose his place?
Meyler the most likely there I think to lose out.
We haven't had one in a long, long time. None since Peter the great on the right hand side - totally reliable, already accounted for in your head before he even gets into routine.

McShane had been taking the right footed free kicks in the league and doing reasonably ok.

Reasonably ok. Not the sort of phrase you hear associated with Dean Rock or Sean O'Shea. We must do better on this facet of our game. Admittedly McShane has been taking them but I have zero confidence in him to get 90%+ in every game this year unless they are in front of the posts. Free kicks are crucial, especially in the latter stages of the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 08, 2019, 03:47:06 PM
I think McDonnell is well in front of Kennedy in the pecking order. McDonnell was immense against Cavan, Monaghan and Dublin. I'm a big Kennedy fan and there'll be days he has to be in the 15 to spoil a big midfielders game but he got roasted on the outside by Costello in the Dublin game and I think it'll count against him in the short term. He needs to improve his physical condition and speed to cut it at the very very top level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 08, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Morgan is about 10% from 40 yards+. I'd say I've a similar record and trust me no-one was calling for me to take frees.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 08, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 08, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Morgan is about 10% from 40 yards+. I'd say I've a similar record and trust me no-one was calling for me to take frees.

Look, blame Mickey Harte for sending a goalkeeper up to do something the best 14 outfield players in Tyrone between them can't do.

It's hardly the keepers fault - he's in no position to say no.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on May 08, 2019, 06:12:39 PM
I've watched videos of Morgan sticking them over from serious distance without fail in training. Seems to have a mental issue when the pressure is on in big games. He maybe gets himself too hyped up. If he could solve that issue then he could be one of the best at 40+ yard frees in the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 08, 2019, 06:19:37 PM
Quote from: Jayop on May 08, 2019, 06:12:39 PM
I've watched videos of Morgan sticking them over from serious distance without fail in training. Seems to have a mental issue when the pressure is on in big games. He maybe gets himself too hyped up. If he could solve that issue then he could be one of the best at 40+ yard frees in the country.
You've watched videos of Morgan at training!!
How'd you manage that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 08, 2019, 06:33:37 PM
I don't think Morgan's success rate is bad from that range. The stats are skewed because he doesn't score 6 frees in front of the post every game to supplement a few long range misses.

Bar Rock and possibly Sean O'Shea who is not really proven in the pressure cooker yet, there aren't too many players with a high % of long range frees. COC doesn't have a great % outside of his comfort zone. A lot of people come up with subjective views without the stats to support it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on May 08, 2019, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: In hiding on May 08, 2019, 06:19:37 PM
Quote from: Jayop on May 08, 2019, 06:12:39 PM
I've watched videos of Morgan sticking them over from serious distance without fail in training. Seems to have a mental issue when the pressure is on in big games. He maybe gets himself too hyped up. If he could solve that issue then he could be one of the best at 40+ yard frees in the country.
You've watched videos of Morgan at training!!
How'd you manage that

After training would be more accurate, or maybe even more accurately again would be ballsing about.

His instagram has quite a few videos of the types of drills he does specifically for different aspects of goalkeeping. It's very interesting.

Here's the 45's video.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/video-tyrones-niall-morgan-converts-nine-45s-and-one-55-in-less-than-90-seconds-30314451.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 08, 2019, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 08, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Morgan is about 10% from 40 yards+. I'd say I've a similar record and trust me no-one was calling for me to take frees.

A few points on this:

1) Where is the 10 per cent coming from? Pretty much all of Morgan's frees are 40 yards plus and he scored 9 points during the league. Are you suggesting he missed 81 other opportunities?
2) A lot of Morgan's efforts are 50 plus yards out and out on the wing.
3) Morgan's all round game has improved and he is a the best striker of a ball of the ground in Tyrone. I still think he could turn into an improved long range kicker. But I'd leave him to the 50 50 ones that others struggle with.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on May 08, 2019, 09:07:01 PM
The problem for me with a free taker is that if you only take him up for the stupid long stuff then he's not getting his eye in. Now I wouldn't be bringing him up for tap overs but if he's our man for frees then I'd be bringing him up for the first few shortish ones we get to get him going.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 08, 2019, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 08, 2019, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 08, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 08, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Right footed free taker?
Could Sludden lose his place?
Meyler the most likely there I think to lose out.
We haven't had one in a long, long time. None since Peter the great on the right hand side - totally reliable, already accounted for in your head before he even gets into routine.

McShane had been taking the right footed free kicks in the league and doing reasonably ok.

Reasonably ok. Not the sort of phrase you hear associated with Dean Rock or Sean O'Shea. We must do better on this facet of our game. Admittedly McShane has been taking them but I have zero confidence in him to get 90%+ in every game this year unless they are in front of the posts. Free kicks are crucial, especially in the latter stages of the championship

I wasn't suggesting he was the answer to the problem, I was just suggesting who is likely to take the right footed frees on Sunday, based on the last few league games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 08, 2019, 11:07:52 PM
Is tiarnan Mc cann fit again this weekend and does he deserve to start ahead of Rory Brennan or Michael Cassidy?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 09, 2019, 09:39:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 08, 2019, 11:07:52 PM
Is tiarnan Mc cann fit again this weekend and does he deserve to start ahead of Rory Brennan or Michael Cassidy?

I'd like to see Cassidy get the start. McCann has been an important player over the past few years but has had a good few injury niggles in the past year or so and was not at his best during the league.

Cassidy came in for the Galway match and was superb so I think he deserves his place but it's a nice option for the manager to have between a proven performer and a player in form and it's type of competition that drives the squad. Given that it's Derry and we are strong favourites then I'd like to see Cassidy get the chance to continue that form?

I would have Rory Brennan in the best XV for Tyrone but I can definitely understand Harte's use of him particularly if we have a defender doing an important man marking job and we lose them to injury or a black card or they pick up an early yellow. Brennan has started a lot of games on the bench but came on early to do a man marking job which ge us very good at. He has also been deployed from the start to do a specialist job as he is one of the best markers on the team. Despite not starting regularly he see a big amount of game time.

Did Mulgrew see much action for Ardboe in April?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 09, 2019, 09:56:47 AM
It looked to me during the league that Morgan has been given more licence to roam up the field when it looks like a suitable time. We all know he plays very well outfield for his club so I was wondering will we see more of this tactic this year that it will no longer be left to Niall himself but it could be a pre-planned strategy that at times he will push out and one of the defenders or half forwards covers the goal. If if he does lose the ball then, there's not a mad panic for him to abandon play and go rushing back to goal as he knows someone else will have that covered.
Let's face it GAA is not like soccer so any other player can use their hands to mind the goal.

Especially considering how well Niall can kick long range shots, it would seem very smart to use him sparingly out the field as we saw a few times this spring. Some on here have said would he be deserving of a place anyway out the field and maybe with Gallen as No2 now that will be an option.
I dont see ANY club football any more so I can't comment.

I for one no longer be too worried when Morgan makes a foray up the field. It would be some craic if he scored a goal v Derry wouldn't it.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 09, 2019, 10:00:27 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 09, 2019, 09:39:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 08, 2019, 11:07:52 PM
Is tiarnan Mc cann fit again this weekend and does he deserve to start ahead of Rory Brennan or Michael Cassidy?

I'd like to see Cassidy get the start. McCann has been an important player over the past few years but has had a good few injury niggles in the past year or so and was not at his best during the league.

Cassidy came in for the Galway match and was superb so I think he deserves his place but it's a nice option for the manager to have between a proven performer and a player in form and it's type of competition that drives the squad. Given that it's Derry and we are strong favourites then I'd like to see Cassidy get the chance to continue that form?

I would have Rory Brennan in the best XV for Tyrone but I can definitely understand Harte's use of him particularly if we have a defender doing an important man marking job and we lose them to injury or a black card or they pick up an early yellow. Brennan has started a lot of games on the bench but came on early to do a man marking job which ge us very good at. He has also been deployed from the start to do a specialist job as he is one of the best markers on the team. Despite not starting regularly he see a big amount of game time.

Did Mulgrew see much action for Ardboe in April?

I don't think he's played any. Unless he took a game for Ardboe v Eglish last time out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on May 09, 2019, 01:59:58 PM
1. Niall Morgan
2. Padraig Hampsey
3. Ronan McNammee
4. Rory Brennan
5. Michael Cassidy
6. Colm Cavanagh
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Richie Donnelly
9. Brian Kennedy
10. Conor Meyler
11. Niall Sludden
12. Tiernan McCann
13. Cathal McShane
14. Peter Harte
15. Mattie Donnelly

Numbers may not match up but thats the positions I expect Tyrone to line up in.
McKernan got an awful roasting by Mattie Donnelly in an inhouse game recently, so I would expect him to not get the start. So will come down to R Brennan or HP McGeary and hope to see Brennan establish himself.
Played McCann at wing forward because I think hes a weak link defensively but offers too much of an attacking option to leave out.
Hopefully we continue the tactics used towards the end of the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 09, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
12 starters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 09, 2019, 09:41:52 PM
Why name these dummy teams. Pointless. May as well name the '95 team for fucks sake. Makes as much sense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 09, 2019, 10:42:38 PM
1. Niall Morgan,
2. Padraig Hampsey,
3. Ronan McNamee,
4. Michael McKernan,
5. Michael Cassidy,
6. Ben McDonnell,
7. Tiernan McCann
8. Richard Donnelly,
9. Brian Kennedy;
10. Matthew Donnelly,
11. Niall Sludden,
12. Frank Burns;
13. Cathal McShane,
14. Peter Harte,
15. Conor Meyler

16. Benny Gallen
17. Lee Brennan
18. Rory Brennan
19. Colm Cavanagh
20. Kyle Coney
21. Conor McAliskey
22. Conall McCann
23. Aidan McCrory
24. Darren McCurry
25. Hugh Pat McGeary
26. Liam Rafferty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 09, 2019, 11:05:49 PM
Happy enough with that.

K McGeary must be carrying a knock or injury of some sort. Good chance for Cassidy, McDonnell and Kennedy to further their claim.

Personally I don't see Harte's obsession with Conall McCann, I think there are better placed players there on the panel who could be making an impact.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 10, 2019, 08:05:02 AM
I'd be more worried about Aiden Mc crory wasting a place on the subs bench .
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 10, 2019, 09:13:17 AM
Glad to see Cassidy get his chance. He's been on the panel for a few years now biding his time and he deserves a start after his performance v Galway.

I'm surprised Cavanagh hasn't been named to start, did he miss any games for the Moy in April? I thought it was noticeable that whenever he came back into the team v Galway that he automatically resumed his sweeping role, playing very deep in front of the full back line, when we hadn't really been operating that way in the previous few games. We probably don't need to set up like that against Derry and maybe Harte thinks he doesn't have the legs to play as an orthodox midfielder. In any case, it is a great opportunity for Kennedy.

In relation to someone saying about dummy teams, the team Harte names for the first round game is generally accurate enough. I'd be surprised to see many changes now prior to throw in.

Regarding the lads that haven't made the bench, does anyone know if the likes of Grugan, Loughran, McClure are carrying injuries?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 10, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 10, 2019, 09:13:17 AM
Glad to see Cassidy get his chance. He's been on the panel for a few years now biding his time and he deserves a start after his performance v Galway.

I'm surprised Cavanagh hasn't been named to start, did he miss any games for the Moy in April? I thought it was noticeable that whenever he came back into the team v Galway that he automatically resumed his sweeping role, playing very deep in front of the full back line, when we hadn't really been operating that way in the previous few games. We probably don't need to set up like that against Derry and maybe Harte thinks he doesn't have the legs to play as an orthodox midfielder. In any case, it is a great opportunity for Kennedy.

In relation to someone saying about dummy teams, the team Harte names for the first round game is generally accurate enough. I'd be surprised to see many changes now prior to throw in.

Regarding the lads that haven't made the bench, does anyone know if the likes of Grugan, Loughran, McClure are carrying injuries?

Harte did an interview during the week saying that we have a clean bill of health and that everyone was fit though a few were carrying niggles after club games.

Presume those mentioned were available.

I don't have too many complaints with the 26 named though I'd probably have the 3 mentioned in ahead of Conall McCann or McCrory at present, you can only use 6 subs in any case and I'd imagine Cavanagh, McAliskey, R Brennan, McCurry and Coney will be 5 of those used.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 10, 2019, 09:36:47 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 09, 2019, 10:42:38 PM
1. Niall Morgan,
2. Padraig Hampsey,
3. Ronan McNamee,
4. Michael McKernan,
5. Michael Cassidy,
6. Ben McDonnell,
7. Tiernan McCann
8. Richard Donnelly,
9. Brian Kennedy;
10. Matthew Donnelly,
11. Niall Sludden,
12. Frank Burns;
13. Cathal McShane,
14. Peter Harte,
15. Conor Meyler

16. Benny Gallen
17. Lee Brennan
18. Rory Brennan
19. Colm Cavanagh
20. Kyle Coney
21. Conor McAliskey
22. Conall McCann
23. Aidan McCrory
24. Darren McCurry
25. Hugh Pat McGeary
26. Liam Rafferty

That's a team to run with Derry for 40-50 minutes then finish them off with the bench. Bit downhearted after seeing that line up. Echo the thoughts of others regarding Cassidy though.
Looks like Harte is reverting to type.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 10, 2019, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 10, 2019, 09:36:47 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 09, 2019, 10:42:38 PM
1. Niall Morgan,
2. Padraig Hampsey,
3. Ronan McNamee,
4. Michael McKernan,
5. Michael Cassidy,
6. Ben McDonnell,
7. Tiernan McCann
8. Richard Donnelly,
9. Brian Kennedy;
10. Matthew Donnelly,
11. Niall Sludden,
12. Frank Burns;
13. Cathal McShane,
14. Peter Harte,
15. Conor Meyler

16. Benny Gallen
17. Lee Brennan
18. Rory Brennan
19. Colm Cavanagh
20. Kyle Coney
21. Conor McAliskey
22. Conall McCann
23. Aidan McCrory
24. Darren McCurry
25. Hugh Pat McGeary
26. Liam Rafferty

That's a team to run with Derry for 40-50 minutes then finish them off with the bench. Bit downhearted after seeing that line up. Echo the thoughts of others regarding Cassidy though.
Looks like Harte is reverting to type.

Why do you think that? With the exception of Kieran McGeary who is missing, this is basically the same team that played in those league performances that were so encouraging. Just because Mattie Donnelly will be wearing number 10 doesn't mean he's not allowed to play in the full forward line for parts of the game...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 10, 2019, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 10, 2019, 09:36:47 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 09, 2019, 10:42:38 PM
1. Niall Morgan,
2. Padraig Hampsey,
3. Ronan McNamee,
4. Michael McKernan,
5. Michael Cassidy,
6. Ben McDonnell,
7. Tiernan McCann
8. Richard Donnelly,
9. Brian Kennedy;
10. Matthew Donnelly,
11. Niall Sludden,
12. Frank Burns;
13. Cathal McShane,
14. Peter Harte,
15. Conor Meyler

16. Benny Gallen
17. Lee Brennan
18. Rory Brennan
19. Colm Cavanagh
20. Kyle Coney
21. Conor McAliskey
22. Conall McCann
23. Aidan McCrory
24. Darren McCurry
25. Hugh Pat McGeary
26. Liam Rafferty

That's a team to run with Derry for 40-50 minutes then finish them off with the bench. Bit downhearted after seeing that line up. Echo the thoughts of others regarding Cassidy though.
Looks like Harte is reverting to type.

How in under God can you tell from that lineup that Harte is reverting to type? Honestly people love to moan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 10, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
There is no inside mark in the Championship. McShane was a major beneficiary of it - Maybe so too Peter Harte. I don't see either or both standing inside against Derry with no mark to take advantage of, do you? - indeed before the mark you had to be certainly wondering about McShane nailing down a place in the team. But he took his chance massively. Meyler isn't and won't be a 15. Donnelly can come inside as pointed out though.

Where is the 'natural' forward in the starting 15? Tyrone, I think we'll all agree are coming into this one as raging favourites so it looks like he's picked a team that'll stretch Derry down the sides.

I'm not moaning, I'm saying I'll be surprised if Tyrone play like they played in the league, with no mark. When you see McAliskey, McCurry, Coney and Brennan on the bench, it makes sense to sap Derry and then try and blitz them in the finale. Simple tactics.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 10, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
Without the mark it would be foolish to leave Mattie and McShane at full forward full time and hit long ball after long ball in. It's too easy to defend against. But it is a tactic we have to use more often and vary the attacks so we aren't predictable. By having the option it forces teams further back which will make the running game easier to play. The success of the long ball in is down to timing and quality of delivery. I still think we can have a lot of success with it but just have to time it right when it's used.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 10, 2019, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 10, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
Without the mark it would be foolish to leave Mattie and McShane at full forward full time and hit long ball after long ball in. It's too easy to defend against. But it is a tactic we have to use more often and vary the attacks so we aren't predictable. By having the option it forces teams further back which will make the running game easier to play. The success of the long ball in is down to timing and quality of delivery. I still think we can have a lot of success with it but just have to time it right when it's used.

Even with the mark it is foolish to hit long ball after long ball in. This wasn't the tactic Tyrone used in the league and we wouldn't have taken more than 2 or 3 marks in any particular game. The success we had was from smart kicking into the forward line when McShane and Donnelly used clever movement and physicality to find themselves a bit of space. I expect this to continue on Sunday although as others have stated, this needs to be mixed in with our traditional running game.

I would note that Kieran McGeary was one of those providing good kick passes into the full forward line throughout the league and he'll be a big loss for Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on May 10, 2019, 11:58:15 AM
the way the last few league games went id expect Harte up front with McShane..Mattie roaming.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 10, 2019, 12:18:53 PM
I think the fact we have a plan B now and have solid target men to hit it into rather than just leaving one small man up it means Derry and whoever will not be as sure of how we play it in any more.
Being unpredictable is very important in any sport and with players like Mattie, Harte and even McShane, they have all shown they can win their own ball and kick a score or even take goals.
It will be interesting to see what role Meyler and Burns play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 10, 2019, 03:35:36 PM
Colm Parkinson always made a pertinent point in relation to the rigidity of our running game. We had become so predicable that defenders knew that they could be really comfortable marking our forwards from the front. This led to guys like RoN, Bradley and L Brennan getting easily swamped with defenders out in front and ready to swarm immediately.

The fact that we now (even from reputation) have a realistic aerial threat and likely long early ball strategy in the toolbox keeps defenders honest. They'll be forced to mark behind or at least on the shoulder knowing that the potential for getting caught in behind is real.

I hope we see a solid 50:50 approach to long ball/running game on Sunday and through out the summer. Getting Lee/Conor on for last 20 to play off McShane et al could really be a potent weapon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 10, 2019, 06:12:54 PM
 Lee Brennan Cavanagh  McAliskey McCurry K McGeary could all get gametime near the end, in a game Tyrone should win by 7-8
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on May 10, 2019, 08:12:14 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 10, 2019, 06:12:54 PM
Lee Brennan Cavanagh  McAliskey McCurry K McGeary could all get gametime near the end, in a game Tyrone should win by 7-8
K McGeary wont, hes not in the 26, injured!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 10, 2019, 08:50:46 PM
Is it a bad injury?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 10, 2019, 09:09:27 PM
Hamstring
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 11, 2019, 08:54:35 AM
That's a pity;  a strong versatile player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 11, 2019, 08:58:43 AM
McGeary has been acting as a sweeper in a lot of games this season so it will be interesting with him out and Cavanagh on the bench if we will opt to deploy one or not. I suppose Frank Burns would be the most likely choice to play that role in the named team.

We should win fairly comfortably though what will be of interest to me is how McShane and Donnelly get on against McKaigue and Rogers, while Derry might be at a bit of a low ebb, Rogers and McKaigue would be two of the best defenders in the game and would be well capable of matching Donnelly and McShane in the physical stakes. We will need to be nuanced in our approach as Donnelly and McShane might end up being well curtailed by their men so we can't place too much of a reliance on them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 11, 2019, 01:39:56 PM
It'll be some battle between McKaigue and MDonnelly,  possible reds ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on May 11, 2019, 01:43:07 PM
Tyrone -7 is evens, lump on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 11, 2019, 07:31:21 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on May 11, 2019, 01:43:07 PM
Tyrone -7 is evens, lump on?

Jesus that's buying money surely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 11, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
Careful a couple of handicap blips tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 12, 2019, 10:38:20 AM
I heard there's only 8000 tickets shifted for this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 12, 2019, 12:49:46 PM
Yesterday was as poor a performance I've seen from a Tyrone minor team and in recent years there has been some poor ones.
What is the reason for under achievement at this age group over the last 5 years or more?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 12, 2019, 02:57:16 PM
Other counties copying our development of young academy players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 12, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
We did win the u17 ai two years ago but I'm still not sure these academies are the way to go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 12, 2019, 06:18:33 PM
Tyrone 6 points to 1 up in the 19th minute. Colm Cavanagh comes on.

55 minutes gone and Derry are level. Colm off.

For last 19 mins we score 1-6 to 0-03.

Is there anything in this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 12, 2019, 07:14:53 PM
Anyone any idea where the Antrim game will be played at?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on May 12, 2019, 08:42:12 PM
Mark Sidebottom said Armagh at the end there. it's the only venue that makes sense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 12, 2019, 09:08:32 PM
DEAR MICKEY

For the love of christ let them at it! So frustrating.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 12, 2019, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 12, 2019, 06:18:33 PM
Tyrone 6 points to 1 up in the 19th minute. Colm Cavanagh comes on.

55 minutes gone and Derry are level. Colm off.

For last 19 mins we score 1-6 to 0-03.

Is there anything in this?

He looked way off the pace, gave away a number of really clumsy frees, could have been black carded twice and really struggled with the tempo of the game which wasn't really that hectic. Maybe it's age or injury related or maybe he's a bit obsolete in the more offensive setup or possibly a bit of both.

Thought big Kennedy started off well so was unfortunate for him to get injured.

McShane was outstanding, a number of great points off his weaker left and his decision making much improved - unlucky not to register a goal or two.

Cassidy had a very iffy start, few wayward passes and a few poor tackles and fumbles but settled into the game as it progressed and scored two lovely points, thought McDonnell struggled.

Sludden and Harte were both very poor and struggled to impact on the game, Harte had a few nice moments but far too often he is on the periphery of things.

Mattie had a very good game, he went out of it for a large part of the middle of it but when we were getting him on the ball we were flying.

Richie Donnelly had an excellent game, got on the ball frequently and his distribution and vision was fantastic.

Burns had a very good game as well but a bit like Mattie he went out of the game around the middle part for a while.

McCurry's goal was fantastic composure, he went for the dagger and executed it superbly, McAliskey hit a nice point too.

I can't pick anyone out of the defence who was either terrible or brilliant, I did think we looked vulnerable when being ran at. P Cassidy, Lynn, Rocks and McFaul caused us all sorts of bother when they ran at us, our tackling was poor and we gave away a huge amount of very stupid frees and were opened up a few times also. Now maybe this was due to it being the first round and a little bit of complacency, the game was not played at a blistering pace, enjoyable and all as it was.

We struggled around the middle on kickouts as well.

Some good points, some worrying aspects but I think we won playing with in ourselves and when we looked in bother late on we settled matters very quickly.

Hopefully McShane can keep this up all summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 12, 2019, 09:44:48 PM
Continuing a worrying trend from the league is that Tiernan McCann was badly off the pace.
His defensive abilities were always very questionable but his attacking output always seemed to make up for it to justify him being on the team. But hes not offering anything at all at the moment. Somehow he lasted the 70 minutes, which is obviously down to reputation. Tyrone can't be expecting a long summer with him in this form.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 12, 2019, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 12, 2019, 09:44:48 PM
Continuing a worrying trend from the league is that Tiernan McCann was badly off the pace.
His defensive abilities were always very questionable but his attacking output always seemed to make up for it to justify him being on the team. But hes not offering anything at all at the moment. Somehow he lasted the 70 minutes, which is obviously down to reputation. Tyrone can't be expecting a long summer with him in this form.

Thought mccann and harte were poor today. They seem to be impossible to sub thought no matter how they play. Mickey would need to be more ruthless in this regard, jim gavin wouldn't hesitate to sub a poor performing player.

Overall it never looked like a game we would lose even when derry got the goal. Bigger battles ahead and i suspect mickey is playing his cards to his chest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 12, 2019, 09:55:16 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 12, 2019, 09:44:48 PM
Continuing a worrying trend from the league is that Tiernan McCann was badly off the pace.
His defensive abilities were always very questionable but his attacking output always seemed to make up for it to justify him being on the team. But hes not offering anything at all at the moment. Somehow he lasted the 70 minutes, which is obviously down to reputation. Tyrone can't be expecting a long summer with him in this form.

I thought McCann was alright, no worse than any of the defence, he played a few nice balls in early on. He was subdued in his attacking forays but defensively he was no worse than any of our backs.

I think defensively we struggled with Derry running at us - Cassidy, Cavanagh, Richie Donnelly and Ben McDonnell all made a number of very poor tackles when they were faced up with a man and this happened across the field.

I find the singling out of McCann bizarre in that regard, we must have been watching different games if he is being singled out for underperfoming. I think it's pretty obvious some people have the narrative set against the likes of Peter Harte and Tiarnan McCann before the ball was thrown in. I would have been critical of Tiernan McCann in the league and thought he might struggle to keep his place this year but I didn't see anything particularly bad from him today, there certainly weren't too many players in that defence putting their hands up ahead of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on May 12, 2019, 10:30:24 PM
Poor enough game - Tyrone always a class above even when Derry got goal.
He should  play the likes of Lee Brennan, Ciaran McLaughlan, Benny Galen, McClure, Conal McCann,McCurry all against Antrim. Will will still win easy and would leave Donegal guessing in semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on May 12, 2019, 11:17:45 PM
Mcshane is turning into Ciarán Donaghy. Hopefully it's not a flash in the pan but f**k me he is unplayable lately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on May 12, 2019, 11:58:13 PM
Quote from: Jayop on May 12, 2019, 11:17:45 PM
Mcshane is turning into Ciarán Donaghy. Hopefully it's not a flash in the pan but f**k me he is unplayable lately.

He also has an amazing buzz cut that is more suited to Compton blacks than LeckPatrick whites. Express yourself cathal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 13, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
Quote from: Jayop on May 12, 2019, 11:17:45 PM
Mcshane is turning into Ciarán Donaghy. Hopefully it's not a flash in the pan but f**k me he is unplayable lately.

Got to give the lad his dues - this time last year you'd have been 50/50 if he was even going to get a starting 15 jersey. Excellent progress - fair play to him. He's more mobile than Donaghy but he's becoming a real menace inside.

Thought Derry gave Tyrone a great game yesterday, as predicted Tyrone went ponderous-enough anyway which is a shame but on this occasion I think Derry just gave them a fight so I'll not get too critical. Peter Harte however was well roasted....albeit by a genuinely top, top player.

Lovely goal by McCurry, shows the belief he has to attempt a finish like that, at that stage. I think this was a good opening test for Tyrone - plenty to work on, Shane McGuigan is a great wee player but he's gave a few of our defenders a wake up call too - looked ropey enough too when big  Padraig Cassidy ran, which was pretty much every time he got the ball.

Ritchie Donnelly too as I write comes to mind, couple of lovely scores early on - maybe faded a bit later, but he was in a big battle.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 13, 2019, 10:18:28 AM
Felt Tyrone were sluggish and it was the Derry goal that got them going. Hat's off to McCurry who took his chance brilliantly. Bigger tests ahead this summer. That performance won't cut it. Bar McShane and maybe Frank Burns none of the forwards covered themselves in glory. It looks like we have a load of players who can give us a good 20 mins and that's all.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 13, 2019, 02:22:54 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 12, 2019, 06:18:33 PM
Tyrone 6 points to 1 up in the 19th minute. Colm Cavanagh comes on.

55 minutes gone and Derry are level. Colm off.

For last 19 mins we score 1-6 to 0-03.

Is there anything in this?

By playing a sweeper that everyone has watched for years do the same thing week in week out, Tyrone invited Derry onto them and it didnt suit the game. When Tyrone went man to man when he went off, they blew Derry away

As excellent as he has been, perhaps the new set up and style doesnt suit him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on May 13, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.

What age is Colm, 34? Once you get over a certain age its not fitness (as in endurance) that is the problem, its the sharpness/pace that goes and at the highest level you cannot compensate for that regardless of how much training you do. Obviously the type of role he plays will have a bearing on how long he is able to compete for and that sweeping role is probably well suited to an "older" player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: TabClear on May 13, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.

What age is Colm, 34? Once you get over a certain age its not fitness (as in endurance) that is the problem, its the sharpness/pace that goes and at the highest level you cannot compensate for that regardless of how much training you do. Obviously the type of role he plays will have a bearing on how long he is able to compete for and that sweeping role is probably well suited to an "older" player.

I'd say he's around 32. No reason he can't still compete around midfield if fully fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 13, 2019, 03:36:57 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: TabClear on May 13, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.

What age is Colm, 34? Once you get over a certain age its not fitness (as in endurance) that is the problem, its the sharpness/pace that goes and at the highest level you cannot compensate for that regardless of how much training you do. Obviously the type of role he plays will have a bearing on how long he is able to compete for and that sweeping role is probably well suited to an "older" player.

I'd say he's around 32. No reason he can't still compete around midfield if fully fit.
Only 31 going by the program yesterday. Making his debut during the 2007 season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 13, 2019, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 13, 2019, 03:36:57 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: TabClear on May 13, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.

What age is Colm, 34? Once you get over a certain age its not fitness (as in endurance) that is the problem, its the sharpness/pace that goes and at the highest level you cannot compensate for that regardless of how much training you do. Obviously the type of role he plays will have a bearing on how long he is able to compete for and that sweeping role is probably well suited to an "older" player.

I'd say he's around 32. No reason he can't still compete around midfield if fully fit.
Only 31 going by the program yesterday. Making his debut during the 2007 season.

Cavanagh started last season slowly as well. He started against Monaghan and clearly wasn't fully fit, and gradually improved his form through the qualifiers before being our best player v Monaghan and Donegal in the Super 8s and winning an all-star off the back of that form. So let's not write him off after one quiet performance.

He has plenty left to give but I agree that he has a challenge on his hands to reinvent himself as a more orthodox midfielder if we are going to move away from the full-time deep lying sweeper system.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on May 13, 2019, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 13, 2019, 03:36:57 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: TabClear on May 13, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.

What age is Colm, 34? Once you get over a certain age its not fitness (as in endurance) that is the problem, its the sharpness/pace that goes and at the highest level you cannot compensate for that regardless of how much training you do. Obviously the type of role he plays will have a bearing on how long he is able to compete for and that sweeping role is probably well suited to an "older" player.

I'd say he's around 32. No reason he can't still compete around midfield if fully fit.
Only 31 going by the program yesterday. Making his debut during the 2007 season.

Owe him an apology then, not quite ready to be pensioned off just yet! I did not realise there was as big a gap between him and Sean. From experience its typically around the 33/34 mark when you tend to see a noticeable change in players mobility, assuming they are keeping themselves in shape and training etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 13, 2019, 04:26:22 PM
I suspect Colm will have a big role to play later in the championship. These early rounds are all arseboxing. Tyrone most likely are taking a calculated gamble that they are going to be in the Super 8. I'm not saying that they purposely played at a slower pace yesterday but id say fitness levels, tactics etc are all geared towards peaking later in the summer. The response to the Derry goal is where I would take most comfort from yesterday, we had an ability to shift up a gear the moment it was required. I'd expect an equally sluggish performance v Antrim next day and Colm might be poor again. I'd still back him to be our stand out player in Croke Park in a few months time...again. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 13, 2019, 05:09:21 PM
The main reason we got to the ai final last year was Colm cavanagh so I wouldn't be writing him off yet. Can see him partnering Richie Donnelly in more orthodox holding midfielder role later in championship especially if Kennedy injured. Sweeper role more or less defunct now especially against the dubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 13, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 13, 2019, 04:26:22 PM
I suspect Colm will have a big role to play later in the championship. These early rounds are all arseboxing. Tyrone most likely are taking a calculated gamble that they are going to be in the Super 8. I'm not saying that they purposely played at a slower pace yesterday but id say fitness levels, tactics etc are all geared towards peaking later in the summer. The response to the Derry goal is where I would take most comfort from yesterday, we had an ability to shift up a gear the moment it was required. I'd expect an equally sluggish performance v Antrim next day and Colm might be poor again. I'd still back him to be our stand out player in Croke Park in a few months time...again.

Fitness levels should be at their peak. The players should be fully fit. There's no such thing as peaking too early or aiming to peak at a certain time. Be quare and silly to not peak for this game, get fucked out into a qualifier and then trying to peak for a must win game in few weeks or whatever. These guys are at peak physical condition. End of story. Everything from now on will be about maintaining those levels until the end of the season. It was just a very flat performance and you'd imagine it will be the subject of a careful investigation to find out exactly why.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 13, 2019, 07:45:33 PM
I'd say they are around 75% fitness now. A few more games/training sessions and they will be at 100% for the super 8s. Tyrone players are in incredible shape. Peter Donnelly doin great work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 13, 2019, 08:09:21 PM
I wasn't necessarily saying Colm should be dropped. I was suggesting that his tendency to drop back into the sweeper role appeared to invite Derry on to us causing us to lose a dominant lead. I was at the game and he clearly dropped into the sweeper role approx half the time he was on the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 14, 2019, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: TabClear on May 13, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 13, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.

What age is Colm, 34? Once you get over a certain age its not fitness (as in endurance) that is the problem, its the sharpness/pace that goes and at the highest level you cannot compensate for that regardless of how much training you do. Obviously the type of role he plays will have a bearing on how long he is able to compete for and that sweeping role is probably well suited to an "older" player.

31/32 I think.

He hasn't played much football so hopefully it's just rustiness, he was collosal last year so hopefully he can adjust to the tactical changes. I think he has to start against Antrim so that he can get up to speed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 14, 2019, 03:21:26 PM
I'd like to see him start next game out and play as a traditional no 6 holding the CHB position. When he drops right back into the 13m or 20m line we were forced onto the back foot. Hopefully he's just rusty but the lingering doubt is the miles on the clock can show up very quickly and be ruthlessly exposed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on May 14, 2019, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 13, 2019, 04:26:22 PM
I suspect Colm will have a big role to play later in the championship. These early rounds are all arseboxing. Tyrone most likely are taking a calculated gamble that they are going to be in the Super 8. I'm not saying that they purposely played at a slower pace yesterday but id say fitness levels, tactics etc are all geared towards peaking later in the summer. The response to the Derry goal is where I would take most comfort from yesterday, we had an ability to shift up a gear the moment it was required. I'd expect an equally sluggish performance v Antrim next day and Colm might be poor again. I'd still back him to be our stand out player in Croke Park in a few months time...again.

Fitness levels should be at their peak. The players should be fully fit. There's no such thing as peaking too early or aiming to peak at a certain time. Be quare and silly to not peak for this game, get fucked out into a qualifier and then trying to peak for a must win game in few weeks or whatever. These guys are at peak physical condition. End of story. Everything from now on will be about maintaining those levels until the end of the season. It was just a very flat performance and you'd imagine it will be the subject of a careful investigation to find out exactly why.

I disagree. There's 4 months between now and the AI final and that's where we want to be so going balls out for a game against Derry which we should be winning handy and in the end did so with a bit of a scare is no harm. Especially when the next game is Antrim. We're regarded as one of the top teams in the country and our first two games are D4 teams so aiming to peak for those would be kinda stupid. Going at 100% in training for too long can cause injuries and that's what we have to manage this year.

Without any replays in Ulster we will have to play 9 games up to and including an AI final if we get there. If we go back door then add a few games to that. That's a load of football to be played at super high intensity and from Donegal on all of those games will be against top 8 opposition more than likely.

IMO we will have been aiming to meet Donegal on the 8th of June and that's no disrespect to Derry or Antrim, that's just the reality of where we're at. From there on you've got 12 weeks and hopefully 7 games to compete for Sam. No point in either running the legs of yourself just yet, or showing your full hand in the early rounds against these teams. I suspect against Donegal* we'll see an even greater change in tactics and fitness.


*should we get there of course.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 14, 2019, 03:49:54 PM
There is a difference with peaking with fitness and sharpness and how you approach a game. I think if they played the way they did at the end with more up front aside from just mc shane we could have blown them away in the first 20 mins then take your foot of the gas. at least then we are playing the style we aim to continue with.

to me most of the game was very dissapointing. we were awful for their kickouts and it has to be said our own we weren't on the ball. Now that can be turned down to sharpness and fitness maybe.


But running up to the half fwd line then passing about and back is not going to get us anywhere.


Why not just go for it, push up, finish these lesser teams of early and get into some form before facing donegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 14, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Jayop on May 14, 2019, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 13, 2019, 04:26:22 PM
I suspect Colm will have a big role to play later in the championship. These early rounds are all arseboxing. Tyrone most likely are taking a calculated gamble that they are going to be in the Super 8. I'm not saying that they purposely played at a slower pace yesterday but id say fitness levels, tactics etc are all geared towards peaking later in the summer. The response to the Derry goal is where I would take most comfort from yesterday, we had an ability to shift up a gear the moment it was required. I'd expect an equally sluggish performance v Antrim next day and Colm might be poor again. I'd still back him to be our stand out player in Croke Park in a few months time...again.

Fitness levels should be at their peak. The players should be fully fit. There's no such thing as peaking too early or aiming to peak at a certain time. Be quare and silly to not peak for this game, get fucked out into a qualifier and then trying to peak for a must win game in few weeks or whatever. These guys are at peak physical condition. End of story. Everything from now on will be about maintaining those levels until the end of the season. It was just a very flat performance and you'd imagine it will be the subject of a careful investigation to find out exactly why.

I disagree. There's 4 months between now and the AI final and that's where we want to be so going balls out for a game against Derry which we should be winning handy and in the end did so with a bit of a scare is no harm. Especially when the next game is Antrim. We're regarded as one of the top teams in the country and our first two games are D4 teams so aiming to peak for those would be kinda stupid. Going at 100% in training for too long can cause injuries and that's what we have to manage this year.

Without any replays in Ulster we will have to play 9 games up to and including an AI final if we get there. If we go back door then add a few games to that. That's a load of football to be played at super high intensity and from Donegal on all of those games will be against top 8 opposition more than likely.

IMO we will have been aiming to meet Donegal on the 8th of June and that's no disrespect to Derry or Antrim, that's just the reality of where we're at. From there on you've got 12 weeks and hopefully 7 games to compete for Sam. No point in either running the legs of yourself just yet, or showing your full hand in the early rounds against these teams. I suspect against Donegal* we'll see an even greater change in tactics and fitness.


*should we get there of course.

There's been a lot of talk about a semi-final v Donegal as if it is a factual statement. I wouldn't write off Fermanagh in that quarter final. It's in Brewster park and Fermanagh will take confidence from their league displays, not least a 3 point away with over (an admittedly depleted) Donegal. Bear in mind the recent spate of lads pulling out of the Donegal panel, the fact Odhran Mac Niallais isn't playing this year, that Ryan McHugh had a quiet enough league after his return from a concussion lay-off and that this will be Paddy McBreartys first game back after a cruciate injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 14, 2019, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: Jayop on May 14, 2019, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 13, 2019, 04:26:22 PM
I suspect Colm will have a big role to play later in the championship. These early rounds are all arseboxing. Tyrone most likely are taking a calculated gamble that they are going to be in the Super 8. I'm not saying that they purposely played at a slower pace yesterday but id say fitness levels, tactics etc are all geared towards peaking later in the summer. The response to the Derry goal is where I would take most comfort from yesterday, we had an ability to shift up a gear the moment it was required. I'd expect an equally sluggish performance v Antrim next day and Colm might be poor again. I'd still back him to be our stand out player in Croke Park in a few months time...again.

Fitness levels should be at their peak. The players should be fully fit. There's no such thing as peaking too early or aiming to peak at a certain time. Be quare and silly to not peak for this game, get fucked out into a qualifier and then trying to peak for a must win game in few weeks or whatever. These guys are at peak physical condition. End of story. Everything from now on will be about maintaining those levels until the end of the season. It was just a very flat performance and you'd imagine it will be the subject of a careful investigation to find out exactly why.

I disagree. There's 4 months between now and the AI final and that's where we want to be so going balls out for a game against Derry which we should be winning handy and in the end did so with a bit of a scare is no harm. Especially when the next game is Antrim. We're regarded as one of the top teams in the country and our first two games are D4 teams so aiming to peak for those would be kinda stupid. Going at 100% in training for too long can cause injuries and that's what we have to manage this year.

Without any replays in Ulster we will have to play 9 games up to and including an AI final if we get there. If we go back door then add a few games to that. That's a load of football to be played at super high intensity and from Donegal on all of those games will be against top 8 opposition more than likely.

IMO we will have been aiming to meet Donegal on the 8th of June and that's no disrespect to Derry or Antrim, that's just the reality of where we're at. From there on you've got 12 weeks and hopefully 7 games to compete for Sam. No point in either running the legs of yourself just yet, or showing your full hand in the early rounds against these teams. I suspect against Donegal* we'll see an even greater change in tactics and fitness.


*should we get there of course.

Sorry but that's just bollocks. They're fit. They're not holding back. 4 months is nothing. Soccer teams stay fit for near on 9 or 10 months. These guys are doing their own work outside of collective training. They're unreal athletes.
When did 9 games become a lot of football? What do you think a county team is doing when they are not playing matches? They're training. And if you ask any county player what they'd rather do, they'd pick playing football matches over training everyday and twice on a Sunday.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on May 14, 2019, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 14, 2019, 04:03:12 PM
There's been a lot of talk about a semi-final v Donegal as if it is a factual statement. I wouldn't write off Fermanagh in that quarter final. It's in Brewster park and Fermanagh will take confidence from their league displays, not least a 3 point away with over (an admittedly depleted) Donegal. Bear in mind the recent spate of lads pulling out of the Donegal panel, the fact Odhran Mac Niallais isn't playing this year, that Ryan McHugh had a quiet enough league after his return from a concussion lay-off and that this will be Paddy McBreartys first game back after a cruciate injury.

I'm only going from a Tyrone POV that that's what we have to be aiming for and we have to expect Donegal to get there. Neither us nor them getting there is a formality but it really should be now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on May 14, 2019, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 14, 2019, 05:25:48 PM
Sorry but that's just bollocks. They're fit. They're not holding back. 4 months is nothing. Soccer teams stay fit for near on 9 or 10 months. These guys are doing their own work outside of collective training. They're unreal athletes.
When did 9 games become a lot of football? What do you think a county team is doing when they are not playing matches? They're training. And if you ask any county player what they'd rather do, they'd pick playing football matches over training everyday and twice on a Sunday.

You don't think teams tailor their training to peak at certain times of the year? You don't think the levels of intensity required for the later stages of the championship vs early rounds against d4 teams could result in more injuries? What a player would rather do is irrelevant. Every panel be it club or county will be doing different levels of training at different times of the year. There's science to this now and having the lads bouncing around the dressing room, punching walls before these early round games because their wound up to the last is dumb.

Soccer teams are professional athletes with much bigger squads who have no day jobs to interfere with their training. The comparison is completely moot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 14, 2019, 05:41:54 PM
Our attacking play was sharp enough on Sunday I thought, we scored 1-14 from play and that was with the likes of Harte and Sludden being very quiet.

The issues were being beaten around the middle of the pitch for much of the game and struggling defensively when Derry ran at us. If we had dominated more of the primary possession we would have won convincingly. We kicked the ball in early and regularly, the delivery of which was good and the finishing was very efficient, compared to some of the games last year we didn't hit many wides at all. Attacking wise our gameplan was working but it was winning up ball that saw us struggle.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 14, 2019, 09:48:07 PM
Quote from: Jayop on May 14, 2019, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 14, 2019, 05:25:48 PM
Sorry but that's just bollocks. They're fit. They're not holding back. 4 months is nothing. Soccer teams stay fit for near on 9 or 10 months. These guys are doing their own work outside of collective training. They're unreal athletes.
When did 9 games become a lot of football? What do you think a county team is doing when they are not playing matches? They're training. And if you ask any county player what they'd rather do, they'd pick playing football matches over training everyday and twice on a Sunday.

You don't think teams tailor their training to peak at certain times of the year? You don't think the levels of intensity required for the later stages of the championship vs early rounds against d4 teams could result in more injuries? What a player would rather do is irrelevant. Every panel be it club or county will be doing different levels of training at different times of the year. There's science to this now and having the lads bouncing around the dressing room, punching walls before these early round games because their wound up to the last is dumb.

Soccer teams are professional athletes with much bigger squads who have no day jobs to interfere with their training. The comparison is completely moot.

Tyrone have more respect for the Ulster championship and Derry than to turn up unfit. You're wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 14, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
All this talk about an AI final, we got laid there last year by beating NOBODY of value. We got beat TWICE at home and still got to an AI final because we didnt meet Kerry/Mayo or Dublin in a proper knock out game. This Tyrone team may not be what you's all think of them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 14, 2019, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 14, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
All this talk about an AI final, we got laid there last year by beating NOBODY of value. We got beat TWICE at home and still got to an AI final because we didnt meet Kerry/Mayo or Dublin in a proper knock out game. This Tyrone team may not be what you's all think of them

Kerry got played off the park by Monaghan last year and mayo got knocked out by an average Kildare team. Tyrone beat Monaghan and Donegal who operated at a level above both. Kerry and mayo could both improve this year but no idea why we needed to beat them last year to prove anything.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 14, 2019, 10:42:56 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 14, 2019, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 14, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
All this talk about an AI final, we got laid there last year by beating NOBODY of value. We got beat TWICE at home and still got to an AI final because we didnt meet Kerry/Mayo or Dublin in a proper knock out game. This Tyrone team may not be what you's all think of them

Kerry got played off the park by Monaghan last year and mayo got knocked out by an average Kildare team. Tyrone beat Monaghan and Donegal who operated at a level above both. Kerry and mayo could both improve this year but no idea why we needed to beat them last year to prove anything.

When was the last time we beat either of these so called "Big 3" in the AI series??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2019, 07:05:15 AM
Quote from: Club boi on May 14, 2019, 10:42:56 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 14, 2019, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 14, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
All this talk about an AI final, we got laid there last year by beating NOBODY of value. We got beat TWICE at home and still got to an AI final because we didnt meet Kerry/Mayo or Dublin in a proper knock out game. This Tyrone team may not be what you's all think of them

Kerry got played off the park by Monaghan last year and mayo got knocked out by an average Kildare team. Tyrone beat Monaghan and Donegal who operated at a level above both. Kerry and mayo could both improve this year but no idea why we needed to beat them last year to prove anything.

We haven't played Kerry or Mayo in Championship since 2016.

When was the last time we beat either of these so called "Big 3" in the AI series??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 15, 2019, 08:07:58 AM
Quote from: Club boi on May 14, 2019, 10:42:56 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 14, 2019, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: Club boi on May 14, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
All this talk about an AI final, we got laid there last year by beating NOBODY of value. We got beat TWICE at home and still got to an AI final because we didnt meet Kerry/Mayo or Dublin in a proper knock out game. This Tyrone team may not be what you's all think of them

Kerry got played off the park by Monaghan last year and mayo got knocked out by an average Kildare team. Tyrone beat Monaghan and Donegal who operated at a level above both. Kerry and mayo could both improve this year but no idea why we needed to beat them last year to prove anything.

When was the last time we beat either of these so called "Big 3" in the AI series??

As their performances showed neither team were in the big 3 last year. You can't beat teams that are already knocked out. Based on their performances Tyrone would more than likely have beaten both last year. It could be a different story this year as both as likely to improve but I'd be fairly confident of having a decent chance against them particularly Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 15, 2019, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 14, 2019, 09:48:07 PM
Quote from: Jayop on May 14, 2019, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 14, 2019, 05:25:48 PM
Sorry but that's just bollocks. They're fit. They're not holding back. 4 months is nothing. Soccer teams stay fit for near on 9 or 10 months. These guys are doing their own work outside of collective training. They're unreal athletes.
When did 9 games become a lot of football? What do you think a county team is doing when they are not playing matches? They're training. And if you ask any county player what they'd rather do, they'd pick playing football matches over training everyday and twice on a Sunday.

You don't think teams tailor their training to peak at certain times of the year? You don't think the levels of intensity required for the later stages of the championship vs early rounds against d4 teams could result in more injuries? What a player would rather do is irrelevant. Every panel be it club or county will be doing different levels of training at different times of the year. There's science to this now and having the lads bouncing around the dressing room, punching walls before these early round games because their wound up to the last is dumb.

Soccer teams are professional athletes with much bigger squads who have no day jobs to interfere with their training. The comparison is completely moot.

Tyrone have more respect for the Ulster championship and Derry than to turn up unfit. You're wrong.

He's not. There is no way Tyrone are aiming to be as fit and as sharp now as what they want to be in July, August Sept. Burnout is a real thing and any county manager who has hopes to be involved late in the year will manage it. Part of that is increasing match fitness and sharpness throughout the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2019, 09:55:22 AM
There is a lot made these days of 'peaking' and the likes training wise. This isn't like the club where they run the shite out of you for 2 months. Go straight into 5 games....then back into another pre season camp if you haven't won 3 of the 5.

At any county, training is tailored accordingly to both individual and position. They'll have been doing their gym programmes over the last X amount of months - to get to the county you need to be of obviously above the norm physical excellence anyway so very little 'peaking' needs to be done, it's more a refinement process bearing in mind you are dealing with the best of the best anyway.

Obviously some lads will need to work on certain aspects to improve their game, but they don't go up to Garvaghy and run sprint after sprint until they are sick - there is a time and place for that obviously but by and large, lots of Tyrone training time is spent on patterns of play / defensive structure etc. I'd imagine if you pick any night to go and watch Tyrone train over the next few months you'd be surprised how little they do. It's more keeping the dog on the leash right now.

I would say the main difference is, if you go and watch their tackling drills etc - the intensity will catch the eye more than anything. The pressure exerted will be up a level to anything at the club and that's really one of the major differences between club and county - there isn't any amount of sprints you can do that will match the sheer empty feeling of tackling drills especially at that level, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 15, 2019, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2019, 09:55:22 AM
There is a lot made these days of 'peaking' and the likes training wise. This isn't like the club where they run the shite out of you for 2 months. Go straight into 5 games....then back into another pre season camp if you haven't won 3 of the 5.

At any county, training is tailored accordingly to both individual and position. They'll have been doing their gym programmes over the last X amount of months - to get to the county you need to be of obviously above the norm physical excellence anyway so very little 'peaking' needs to be done, it's more a refinement process bearing in mind you are dealing with the best of the best anyway.

Obviously some lads will need to work on certain aspects to improve their game, but they don't go up to Garvaghy and run sprint after sprint until they are sick - there is a time and place for that obviously but by and large, lots of Tyrone training time is spent on patterns of play / defensive structure etc. I'd imagine if you pick any night to go and watch Tyrone train over the next few months you'd be surprised how little they do. It's more keeping the dog on the leash right now.

I would say the main difference is, if you go and watch their tackling drills etc - the intensity will catch the eye more than anything. The pressure exerted will be up a level to anything at the club and that's really one of the major differences between club and county - there isn't any amount of sprints you can do that will match the sheer empty feeling of tackling drills especially at that level, I'm sure.

There's alot of 'I'd imagine' and 'I would say' there. Do you watch Tyrone training often?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on May 15, 2019, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 15, 2019, 09:55:22 AM
There is a lot made these days of 'peaking' and the likes training wise. This isn't like the club where they run the shite out of you for 2 months. Go straight into 5 games....then back into another pre season camp if you haven't won 3 of the 5.

At any county, training is tailored accordingly to both individual and position. They'll have been doing their gym programmes over the last X amount of months - to get to the county you need to be of obviously above the norm physical excellence anyway so very little 'peaking' needs to be done, it's more a refinement process bearing in mind you are dealing with the best of the best anyway.

Obviously some lads will need to work on certain aspects to improve their game, but they don't go up to Garvaghy and run sprint after sprint until they are sick - there is a time and place for that obviously but by and large, lots of Tyrone training time is spent on patterns of play / defensive structure etc. I'd imagine if you pick any night to go and watch Tyrone train over the next few months you'd be surprised how little they do. It's more keeping the dog on the leash right now.

I would say the main difference is, if you go and watch their tackling drills etc - the intensity will catch the eye more than anything. The pressure exerted will be up a level to anything at the club and that's really one of the major differences between club and county - there isn't any amount of sprints you can do that will match the sheer empty feeling of tackling drills especially at that level, I'm sure.

Of course their is 'peaking' applied to county teams
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
There you have it. Tyrone are unfit.

Never read so much shite in my life.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 15, 2019, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
There you have it. Tyrone are unfit.

Never read so much shite in my life.

Do yourself a favour and learn to read. It won't look as much as shite once you do. Your ability to overreact to any post is impressive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 15, 2019, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
There you have it. Tyrone are unfit.

Never read so much shite in my life.

Do yourself a favour and learn to read. It won't look as much as shite once you do. Your ability to overreact to any post is impressive.

Enlighten me. They're either fit or unfit. Which is it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 15, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
They're fit. But not as fit as they will be in August.

Consider yourself enlightened.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 15, 2019, 01:38:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 15, 2019, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
There you have it. Tyrone are unfit.

Never read so much shite in my life.

Do yourself a favour and learn to read. It won't look as much as shite once you do. Your ability to overreact to any post is impressive.

Enlighten me. They're either fit or unfit. Which is it.

Seriously Trailer - you really are coming across as a complete buffoon here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on May 16, 2019, 08:07:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 15, 2019, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
There you have it. Tyrone are unfit.

Never read so much shite in my life.

Do yourself a favour and learn to read. It won't look as much as shite once you do. Your ability to overreact to any post is impressive.

Enlighten me. They're either fit or unfit. Which is it.

Mother of God  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 16, 2019, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 15, 2019, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
There you have it. Tyrone are unfit.

Never read so much shite in my life.

Do yourself a favour and learn to read. It won't look as much as shite once you do. Your ability to overreact to any post is impressive.

Enlighten me. They're either fit or unfit. Which is it.

There are degrees of fitness, just like there are degrees of peaking -- are you at full pelt eejitry all the time? :P ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on May 18, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Lee Brennan played for Trillick this evening! Dropped out of Tyrone panel this morning!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 18, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on May 18, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Lee Brennan played for Trillick this evening! Dropped out of Tyrone panel this morning!

Was wondering what was the story with Lee. Thought he played well last year at times and with Tyrone playing more direct football I thought it would suit a player like Lee or Bradley feeding off mcshane or mattie.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on May 18, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Lee Brennan played for Trillick this evening! Dropped out of Tyrone panel this morning!

Was wondering what was the story with Lee. Thought he played well last year at times and with Tyrone playing more direct football I thought it would suit a player like Lee or Bradley feeding off mcshane or mattie.

He's behind McCurry and McAliskey in the bench options now so I can understand his frustration at not getting minutes but at the same time I don't think he has proven enough to get in ahead of any of these players at the minute. Was it a case of him dropping himself off the panel or being dropped for playing with Trillick?

With Ronan O'Neill off the panel as well as Bradley taking the year out, it does make us a little lighter up top. Will Mickey think about adding another attacking option to the squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 19, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on May 18, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Lee Brennan played for Trillick this evening! Dropped out of Tyrone panel this morning!

Was wondering what was the story with Lee. Thought he played well last year at times and with Tyrone playing more direct football I thought it would suit a player like Lee or Bradley feeding off mcshane or mattie.

He's behind McCurry and McAliskey in the bench options now so I can understand his frustration at not getting minutes but at the same time I don't think he has proven enough to get in ahead of any of these players at the minute. Was it a case of him dropping himself off the panel or being dropped for playing with Trillick?

With Ronan O'Neill off the panel as well as Bradley taking the year out, it does make us a little lighter up top. Will Mickey think about adding another attacking option to the squad?

Surely these lads should have been given at least some game time in the league. Not to be disrespectful but the game against antrim would be perfect for them to show their worth.

The very real danger is that injuries to mcshane will cause major problems. Mcaliskey can be a threat but still not impressed with mccurry. In a tight game I don't think he can do it. Hopefully he will prove me wrong as he is very skillful but always struck me as a player who needs a bit of space which you won't get against the top teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 19, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on May 18, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Lee Brennan played for Trillick this evening! Dropped out of Tyrone panel this morning!

Was wondering what was the story with Lee. Thought he played well last year at times and with Tyrone playing more direct football I thought it would suit a player like Lee or Bradley feeding off mcshane or mattie.



He's behind McCurry and McAliskey in the bench options now so I can understand his frustration at not getting minutes but at the same time I don't think he has proven enough to get in ahead of any of these players at the minute. Was it a case of him dropping himself off the panel or being dropped for playing with Trillick?

With Ronan O'Neill off the panel as well as Bradley taking the year out, it does make us a little lighter up top. Will Mickey think about adding another attacking option to the squad?

Surely these lads should have been given at least some game time in the league. Not to be disrespectful but the game against antrim would be perfect for them to show their worth.

The very real danger is that injuries to mcshane will cause major problems. Mcaliskey can be a threat but still not impressed with mccurry. In a tight game I don't think he can do it. Hopefully he will prove me wrong as he is very skillful but always struck me as a player who needs a bit of space which you won't get against the top teams.

As Tyrone were trying to develop something during the league, they probably wanted to persist with it. Think the only game Brennan was minutes were against Mayo where he got a full 70. The problem for Tyrone is we lots of very skilful, classy forwards of small stature but they most you can probably fit into a team at any time is 2 and right now the inside options we are using are working out for us and Brennan is third in line of the inside forwards on the bench.

From what I've seen I think I would have Bradley, McAliskey and McCurry ahead of him. You can argue he hasn't been giving enough time but he hasn't exactly made a stellar case when he has been given some minutes, sometimes he has been very good - like Donegal last year and other times he has been very poor like Monaghan last year.

Irrespective of the issues behind it, I would have a big problem with lads stepping away from the panel mid championship. It's something you commit to for the year and over the past 3 or 4 seasons we have had loads of players walk away at a big point in the season - McCurry left last year because he was frustrated in not getting minutes but had he stuck around he would have been offered a golden chance to state his case given the injuries Brennan and Bradley picked up against Monaghan.

It's the same with Brennan, he has plenty of time to change the manager's mind this season and plenty of time to make a big claim. For 2-3 months he should be sticking it out for me and then make a decision next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on May 19, 2019, 10:57:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on May 18, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Lee Brennan played for Trillick this evening! Dropped out of Tyrone panel this morning!

Was wondering what was the story with Lee. Thought he played well last year at times and with Tyrone playing more direct football I thought it would suit a player like Lee or Bradley feeding off mcshane or mattie.

He's behind McCurry and McAliskey in the bench options now so I can understand his frustration at not getting minutes but at the same time I don't think he has proven enough to get in ahead of any of these players at the minute. Was it a case of him dropping himself off the panel or being dropped for playing with Trillick?

With Ronan O'Neill off the panel as well as Bradley taking the year out, it does make us a little lighter up top. Will Mickey think about adding another attacking option to the squad?

Omagh captain was told at toss that he had withdrawn from panel
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on May 19, 2019, 12:12:07 PM
Brennan finished top scorer in the National League Div 1 last season despite not even starting in two of the games. Not sure what else he could do really. He's a class wee player and even for frees alone he's worth it.  I'd have expected him to start v Antrim so it's  verydisappointing that he's left the squad.
We have very little back up in the forwards now
McShane playing well but not a natural inside forward same with Mattie
- McCurry and skeet  all we have left.
The three most natural forwards in the county no longer in the squad
Bradley / Brennan & O'Neill



Quote from: tyrone08 on May 19, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on May 18, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Lee Brennan played for Trillick this evening! Dropped out of Tyrone panel this morning!

Was wondering what was the story with Lee. Thought he played well last year at times and with Tyrone playing more direct football I thought it would suit a player like Lee or Bradley feeding off mcshane or mattie.

He's behind McCurry and McAliskey in the bench options now so I can understand his frustration at not getting minutes but at the same time I don't think he has proven enough to get in ahead of any of these players at the minute. Was it a case of him dropping himself off the panel or being dropped for playing with Trillick?

With Ronan O'Neill off the panel as well as Bradley taking the year out, it does make us a little lighter up top. Will Mickey think about adding another attacking option to the squad?

Surely these lads should have been given at least some game time in the league. Not to be disrespectful but the game against antrim would be perfect for them to show their worth.

The very real danger is that injuries to mcshane will cause major problems. Mcaliskey can be a threat but still not impressed with mccurry. In a tight game I don't think he can do it. Hopefully he will prove me wrong as he is very skillful but always struck me as a player who needs a bit of space which you won't get against the top teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:31:33 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 19, 2019, 12:12:07 PM
Brennan finished top scorer in the National League Div 1 last season despite not even starting in two of the games. Not sure what else he could do really. He's a class wee player and even for frees alone he's worth it.  I'd have expected him to start v Antrim so it's  verydisappointing that he's left the squad.
We have very little back up in the forwards now
McShane playing well but not a natural inside forward same with Mattie
- McCurry and skeet  all we have left.
The three most natural forwards in the county no longer in the squad
Bradley / Brennan & O'Neill



Quote from: tyrone08 on May 19, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on May 18, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Lee Brennan played for Trillick this evening! Dropped out of Tyrone panel this morning!

Was wondering what was the story with Lee. Thought he played well last year at times and with Tyrone playing more direct football I thought it would suit a player like Lee or Bradley feeding off mcshane or mattie.

He's behind McCurry and McAliskey in the bench options now so I can understand his frustration at not getting minutes but at the same time I don't think he has proven enough to get in ahead of any of these players at the minute. Was it a case of him dropping himself off the panel or being dropped for playing with Trillick?

With Ronan O'Neill off the panel as well as Bradley taking the year out, it does make us a little lighter up top. Will Mickey think about adding another attacking option to the squad?

Surely these lads should have been given at least some game time in the league. Not to be disrespectful but the game against antrim would be perfect for them to show their worth.

The very real danger is that injuries to mcshane will cause major problems. Mcaliskey can be a threat but still not impressed with mccurry. In a tight game I don't think he can do it. Hopefully he will prove me wrong as he is very skillful but always struck me as a player who needs a bit of space which you won't get against the top teams.

That was last year, he got a good run in the league, he started the Championship opener before an injury ruled him until the Donegal game where he made a huge impact off the bench. He started the subsequent semi final match against Monaghan where he had a stinker and came off the bench in the final where he did not have any impact.

Brennan is a young guy, he has lots of talent but the game has changed and not many forwards of his size player for the top sides. He didn't really get much of a look in with the league this year but it's early in the summer and I'd like to have seen show a little bit more fight and look to force his way into the plans.

The writing was on the wall for O'Neill, he's 27 now I think and seems to be regressing if anything, I think that cruciate injury early in his career has had a massive impact in curtailing him much like it did for his club mate Conor Clarke. Brennan still has what it takes to make an impact from county level but I know he's a maverick player with wonderful natural skills - that alone won't really cut it anymore, you need to have a work ethic and desire to match it.

We've now lost R Sludden (dropped), O'Neill, Bradley and Brennan (opted out), Ronan McHugh (injured) from our forward options from last year.

We're definitely light in that regard but we have been playing without a natural forward so far this season and it actually seems to have improved our style of play and efficiency up front so as talented and all as these lads may be, they don't seem to be able to impact on the modern game. Bradley is by far the biggest loss of the three however and I think he is genuinely up to operating at the top level, he has the type of resolve and toughness I don't O'Neill and Brennan have.

I think Harte will have to call up another forward now just to give us some additional options, perhaps Emmett McNabb or Paul Donaghy from last year's u20s might be worth a look.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 19, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?

Is Harry Loughran still about also?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 19, 2019, 03:46:53 PM
Very disappointed to hear Lee has left the panel. Not totally surprised though as if I had to sit and watch Peter harte and niall sludden totally anonymous against Derry and not get to replace either of them then I'd be pissed too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2019, 03:46:53 PM
Very disappointed to hear Lee has left the panel. Not totally surprised though as if I had to sit and watch Peter harte and niall sludden totally anonymous against Derry and not get to replace either of them then I'd be pissed too.

Harte was our top scorer during the league and MOTM in at least two games during the league.

Lee Brennan for all the hype hasn't fully impressed when given the chance, I'm disappointed he didn't stick it out as the season is early and opportunities would likely have prevented itself.

Guys like Hampsey, Burns, Cassidy and Richie Donnelly are some of the players who have shown that if you stick it out you will get your chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 19, 2019, 04:35:29 PM
So Peter harte can't be subbed no matter how bad he plays? Wise up man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 19, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2019, 04:35:29 PM
So Peter harte can't be subbed no matter how bad he plays? Wise up man.

I think I can recall 1 game when Peter was subbed. Its a bit unreal to be honest. One major fault of mickeys is his loyalty to certain players. Top managers have no issue with subbing poor performing players.

Lee didn't really get a run of games to impress. He got a few sub appearances and had a poor game when he did start but thought the promise he showed that he deserved a run of games
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 05:48:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2019, 04:35:29 PM
So Peter harte can't be subbed no matter how bad he plays? Wise up man.

You are talking about Brennan not getting game time ahead of Harte and Sludden.

a) Brennan is a completely different type of player to Harte and Sludden
b) Brennan is/was currently behind McCurry and McAliskey who he is a more similar type of player

We need more from Peter Harte and Sludden than we're getting at the minute but the bottom line is they have been huge players for us over the past few years and have came up trumps for us in big games. They are two of our best players so you generally don't sub your most threathening players, bad game or not.

Mickey probably does cut Petey some more slack than he might do other players but you can understand that because of the class he has.

Lee Brennan's problem is that for the modern game, he lacks the size and mobility to make him undroppable and I think he lacks the work rate and resolve to give a management team reasons to rely on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 19, 2019, 08:41:09 PM
Brennan just probably didn't have the stomach to fight for his place. That's his decision. If he doesn't want to be there then he's right to leave.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 20, 2019, 07:47:00 AM
One thing I have noticed the past 2 years since Sludden has came on the scene is that he goes missing in every big game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on May 20, 2019, 12:57:19 PM
What a statement his goal the reason Final was reached last year.Was that not a big game.Maybe not at his best recently i will admit.Still a starter every time imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 20, 2019, 01:08:51 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 20, 2019, 12:57:19 PM
What a statement his goal the reason Final was reached last year.Was that not a big game.

Game changer v Donegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 20, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?

Is Harry Loughran still about also?

https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/775334797/5000/

From the squad protraits, it looks like Grugan and Loughran were still involved at the end of the April anyway.

There's a few lads there that haven't seen a match day squad for some time - (Grugan, McClure, Loughran, Mulgrew, McNabb, B Burns and McHugh).

I had thought McNabb had left as he hasn't featured in any match day squad at all this year, has he been injured? I know Burns is not long back from an ACL and McHugh had a big injury at the start of this year.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 20, 2019, 11:54:57 PM
Quote from: skeog on May 20, 2019, 12:57:19 PM
What a statement his goal the reason Final was reached last year.Was that not a big game.Maybe not at his best recently i will admit.Still a starter every time imo.

Subbed in a lot of big games though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on May 21, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 20, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?

Is Harry Loughran still about also?

https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/775334797/5000/

From the squad protraits, it looks like Grugan and Loughran were still involved at the end of the April anyway.

There's a few lads there that haven't seen a match day squad for some time - (Grugan, McClure, Loughran, Mulgrew, McNabb, B Burns and McHugh).

I had thought McNabb had left as he hasn't featured in any match day squad at all this year, has he been injured? I know Burns is not long back from an ACL and McHugh had a big injury at the start of this year.

I didn't think McNabb was part of things either. Mulgrew has been injured this months, McHugh done the knee in a play off game at the tail end of last season so he's gone for the year I'd imagine and Burns is still to feature for Pomeroy this season. .

Not sure what the story is with McClure and particularly Loughran. He seemed to one of the first subs on last season thought he would have pushed on this season. The squad is probably it's lightest in terms of numbers for a few years now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 21, 2019, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 21, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 20, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?

Is Harry Loughran still about also?

https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/775334797/5000/

From the squad protraits, it looks like Grugan and Loughran were still involved at the end of the April anyway.

There's a few lads there that haven't seen a match day squad for some time - (Grugan, McClure, Loughran, Mulgrew, McNabb, B Burns and McHugh).

I had thought McNabb had left as he hasn't featured in any match day squad at all this year, has he been injured? I know Burns is not long back from an ACL and McHugh had a big injury at the start of this year.

I didn't think McNabb was part of things either. Mulgrew has been injured this months, McHugh done the knee in a play off game at the tail end of last season so he's gone for the year I'd imagine and Burns is still to feature for Pomeroy this season. .

Not sure what the story is with McClure and particularly Loughran. He seemed to one of the first subs on last season thought he would have pushed on this season. The squad is probably it's lightest in terms of numbers for a few years now.

Yeah, it's 34 (including Brendan Burns and McHugh who are unlikely to feature this year) from my reckoning as Lee Brennan has dropped off and Murnaghan has been released to the u20s. I'd imagine Harte might bring in a few lads going well on the club scene for training in the next few weeks - particularly forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 21, 2019, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 21, 2019, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 21, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 20, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?

Is Harry Loughran still about also?

https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/775334797/5000/

From the squad protraits, it looks like Grugan and Loughran were still involved at the end of the April anyway.

There's a few lads there that haven't seen a match day squad for some time - (Grugan, McClure, Loughran, Mulgrew, McNabb, B Burns and McHugh).

I had thought McNabb had left as he hasn't featured in any match day squad at all this year, has he been injured? I know Burns is not long back from an ACL and McHugh had a big injury at the start of this year.

I didn't think McNabb was part of things either. Mulgrew has been injured this months, McHugh done the knee in a play off game at the tail end of last season so he's gone for the year I'd imagine and Burns is still to feature for Pomeroy this season. .

Not sure what the story is with McClure and particularly Loughran. He seemed to one of the first subs on last season thought he would have pushed on this season. The squad is probably it's lightest in terms of numbers for a few years now.

Yeah, it's 34 (including Brendan Burns and McHugh who are unlikely to feature this year) from my reckoning as Lee Brennan has dropped off and Murnaghan has been released to the u20s. I'd imagine Harte might bring in a few lads going well on the club scene for training in the next few weeks - particularly forwards.

Who would be the likely candidates for this? I think a couple of new faces could be required as we wouldn't even have enough for a 15 v 15 in house game when you exclude the likes of Burns, McHugh, McNabb, Loughran and Mulgrew who haven't been fit to play any club football this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on May 21, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 21, 2019, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 21, 2019, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 21, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 20, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?

Is Harry Loughran still about also?

https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/775334797/5000/

From the squad protraits, it looks like Grugan and Loughran were still involved at the end of the April anyway.

There's a few lads there that haven't seen a match day squad for some time - (Grugan, McClure, Loughran, Mulgrew, McNabb, B Burns and McHugh).

I had thought McNabb had left as he hasn't featured in any match day squad at all this year, has he been injured? I know Burns is not long back from an ACL and McHugh had a big injury at the start of this year.

I didn't think McNabb was part of things either. Mulgrew has been injured this months, McHugh done the knee in a play off game at the tail end of last season so he's gone for the year I'd imagine and Burns is still to feature for Pomeroy this season. .

Not sure what the story is with McClure and particularly Loughran. He seemed to one of the first subs on last season thought he would have pushed on this season. The squad is probably it's lightest in terms of numbers for a few years now.

Yeah, it's 34 (including Brendan Burns and McHugh who are unlikely to feature this year) from my reckoning as Lee Brennan has dropped off and Murnaghan has been released to the u20s. I'd imagine Harte might bring in a few lads going well on the club scene for training in the next few weeks - particularly forwards.

Who would be the likely candidates for this? I think a couple of new faces could be required as we wouldn't even have enough for a 15 v 15 in house game when you exclude the likes of Burns, McHugh, McNabb, Loughran and Mulgrew who haven't been fit to play any club football this year.

Johnny Harkin was brought in for an inhouse game on the saturday of the weekend away. Didn't go to well for him as he picked up an injury 5mins into the inhouse game. Didn't go well with the tats at the time but dont think it was a bad injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 21, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed before but why can't Mickey give players the option of playing club football if they want, especially if they are outside the 1st 21 playing squad.
I know it changes but would it not help the situation of lads who are not regulars, still train with the squad and get a chance to move into the top 21 players but then they can also play with their club and so they're whole season isn't ruined by just training and getting little football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 21, 2019, 02:45:44 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed before but why can't Mickey give players the option of playing club football if they want, especially if they are outside the 1st 21 playing squad.
I know it changes but would it not help the situation of lads who are not regulars, still train with the squad and get a chance to move into the top 21 players but then they can also play with their club and so they're whole season isn't ruined by just training and getting little football?

I think the 3 issues with this are:

1) County board in theory looks at the fixtures in advance and tries to sort the starred games so that teams with county men play each other (though looking at the fixtures they aren't very good at it). If they didn't know who would be involved in advance they couldn't do this.
2) Could lead to disputes. Say if one club had a county man that played for 5 minutes in the previous game and he wasn't allowed to play in the next club match but the opposition had a county man that didn't get on and he was allowed to play. It would be hard to decide where to draw the line on who could play.
3) I'm sure the county team train every weekend. If some boys had club games and some didn't it could be messy in terms of preparation.

I don't think you could say Brennan's season would be ruined. No matter what he got to play 10 club games and the championship. He also played against Mayo and in the McKenna cup and no doubt would have got some time in the championship.

I'm assuming Trillicks main focus will be on the championship, as with most big clubs the league is very much secondary to how there season is judged. Playing in 5 starred games (1 they have already lost) isn't going to make or break their season. I'd say the decision has mainly come down to him not getting on. Wouldn't rule out an American offer either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 21, 2019, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 21, 2019, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 21, 2019, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 21, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 20, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?

Is Harry Loughran still about also?

https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/775334797/5000/

From the squad protraits, it looks like Grugan and Loughran were still involved at the end of the April anyway.

There's a few lads there that haven't seen a match day squad for some time - (Grugan, McClure, Loughran, Mulgrew, McNabb, B Burns and McHugh).

I had thought McNabb had left as he hasn't featured in any match day squad at all this year, has he been injured? I know Burns is not long back from an ACL and McHugh had a big injury at the start of this year.

I didn't think McNabb was part of things either. Mulgrew has been injured this months, McHugh done the knee in a play off game at the tail end of last season so he's gone for the year I'd imagine and Burns is still to feature for Pomeroy this season. .

Not sure what the story is with McClure and particularly Loughran. He seemed to one of the first subs on last season thought he would have pushed on this season. The squad is probably it's lightest in terms of numbers for a few years now.

Yeah, it's 34 (including Brendan Burns and McHugh who are unlikely to feature this year) from my reckoning as Lee Brennan has dropped off and Murnaghan has been released to the u20s. I'd imagine Harte might bring in a few lads going well on the club scene for training in the next few weeks - particularly forwards.

Who would be the likely candidates for this? I think a couple of new faces could be required as we wouldn't even have enough for a 15 v 15 in house game when you exclude the likes of Burns, McHugh, McNabb, Loughran and Mulgrew who haven't been fit to play any club football this year.

It's mainly forwards that we are light in at the minute. Ryan Coleman did well for Mary's at FF in the Sigerson this year, Emmet McNabb and Paul Donaghy were decent for the u20s last year.

Michael O'Neill from Ardboe is a player I've liked the look of when I've seen him, Nathan Donnelly Killyclogher and Eoghan Murray from Tattyreagh also.

Could be worth a look at in any case just for the training games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 21, 2019, 09:23:39 PM
Four went to make up the numbers for an in-house game recently

Peter Teague, Dromore
Ryan Gray, Trillick
Jonny Harkin, Tattyreagh
Niall Kelly, Ballygawley and surrounding clubs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 22, 2019, 09:44:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 21, 2019, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 21, 2019, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 21, 2019, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: square_ball on May 21, 2019, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 20, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 19, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Is Conan Grugan still involved?

Is Harry Loughran still about also?

https://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/775334797/5000/

From the squad protraits, it looks like Grugan and Loughran were still involved at the end of the April anyway.

There's a few lads there that haven't seen a match day squad for some time - (Grugan, McClure, Loughran, Mulgrew, McNabb, B Burns and McHugh).

I had thought McNabb had left as he hasn't featured in any match day squad at all this year, has he been injured? I know Burns is not long back from an ACL and McHugh had a big injury at the start of this year.

I didn't think McNabb was part of things either. Mulgrew has been injured this months, McHugh done the knee in a play off game at the tail end of last season so he's gone for the year I'd imagine and Burns is still to feature for Pomeroy this season. .

Not sure what the story is with McClure and particularly Loughran. He seemed to one of the first subs on last season thought he would have pushed on this season. The squad is probably it's lightest in terms of numbers for a few years now.

Yeah, it's 34 (including Brendan Burns and McHugh who are unlikely to feature this year) from my reckoning as Lee Brennan has dropped off and Murnaghan has been released to the u20s. I'd imagine Harte might bring in a few lads going well on the club scene for training in the next few weeks - particularly forwards.

Who would be the likely candidates for this? I think a couple of new faces could be required as we wouldn't even have enough for a 15 v 15 in house game when you exclude the likes of Burns, McHugh, McNabb, Loughran and Mulgrew who haven't been fit to play any club football this year.

It's mainly forwards that we are light in at the minute. Ryan Coleman did well for Mary's at FF in the Sigerson this year, Emmet McNabb and Paul Donaghy were decent for the u20s last year.

Michael O'Neill from Ardboe is a player I've liked the look of when I've seen him, Nathan Donnelly Killyclogher and Eoghan Murray from Tattyreagh also.

Could be worth a look at in any case just for the training games.

USA Bound
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on May 23, 2019, 07:43:12 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 21, 2019, 09:23:39 PM
Four went to make up the numbers for an in-house game recently

Peter Teague, Dromore
Ryan Gray, Trillick
Jonny Harkin, Tattyreagh
Niall Kelly, Ballygawley and surrounding clubs

USA bound..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 23, 2019, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on May 23, 2019, 07:43:12 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 21, 2019, 09:23:39 PM
Four went to make up the numbers for an in-house game recently

Peter Teague, Dromore
Ryan Gray, Trillick
Jonny Harkin, Tattyreagh
Niall Kelly, Ballygawley and surrounding clubs

USA bound..

They were only brought in to make up the numbers in a training game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2019, 01:57:51 PM
1 N Morgan
2 HP McGeary
3 R McNamee
4 M McKernan
5 T McCann
6 P Hampsey
7 M Cassidy
8 C Cavanagh
9 B McDonnell
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 F Burns
13 C McShane
14 P Harte
15 R Donnelly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 24, 2019, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2019, 01:57:51 PM
1 N Morgan
2 HP McGeary
3 R McNamee
4 M McKernan
5 T McCann
6 P Hampsey
7 M Cassidy
8 C Cavanagh
9 B McDonnell
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 F Burns
13 C McShane
14 P Harte
15 R Donnelly

We're gone a bit hush on hush on team selections lately. Usually the full 26 would be named on Thursday nights whereas we are now only naming the XV on the Friday.

Cavanagh for the injured Kennedy the only change listed but I suspect we may make a few changes prior to throw in. I wouldn't mind seeing a few lads given a run out there. I think it would be a good opportunity for the likes of Coney and McCurry to show what they can do from the start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2019, 03:22:12 PM
Looks like we are going to stick with McDonnell in the team. Fair enough its Antrim this weekend but you've Donegal in two weeks. You'd like to think your playing close to your best 15 to build momentum and I don't see how McDonnell is making your panel never mind the starting team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 24, 2019, 03:25:55 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 24, 2019, 03:22:12 PM
Looks like we are going to stick with McDonnell in the team. Fair enough its Antrim this weekend but you've Donegal in two weeks. You'd like to think your playing close to your best 15 to build momentum and I don't see how McDonnell is making your panel never mind the starting team.

Had a very good league campaign and think he will be an important stopper with his mobility and size later on in the year. He has a great game against Dublin in the league.

There are better footballers on the panel certainly but I can see Harte trusting McDonnell in taking out a number of big name players later in the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 24, 2019, 04:10:24 PM
Mc Donnell could be the next McCrory.........!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 24, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
Is McDonnell a regular for Errigal?

Honestly haven't seen much of him and have seen Errigal half a dozen times in last 12 months - he didn't stand out anyway if he was playing...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 24, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 24, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
Is McDonnell a regular for Errigal?

Honestly haven't seen much of him and have seen Errigal half a dozen times in last 12 months - he didn't stand out anyway if he was playing...
He's a regular as far as I know and a good club footballer.  Hasn't done much wrong for Tyrone to be honest;  but a Tyrone midfielder  -no, not yet. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 24, 2019, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on May 24, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 24, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
Is McDonnell a regular for Errigal?

Honestly haven't seen much of him and have seen Errigal half a dozen times in last 12 months - he didn't stand out anyway if he was playing...
He's a regular as far as I know and a good club footballer.  Hasn't done much wrong for Tyrone to be honest;  but a Tyrone midfielder  -no, not yet.

He's played a fair whack of his football in the half back line  so far. I think in terms of midfielders he plays quite a defined role for us at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 25, 2019, 10:54:30 AM
Have a spare ticket for the stand today, free to a good home if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 25, 2019, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Ireland2019 on May 24, 2019, 06:21:01 PM
Any word of an u20 panel? See there first game is Sunday v Donegal..

1. Lorcan Quinn - Donaghmore
2. Aidan Clarke - Omagh
3. Conor Quinn - Galbally
4. Paedar Mullan - Tattyreagh
5. Conall Grimes - Loughmacrory
6. Antoin Fox - Loughmacrory
7. Cahir Goodwin - Dromore
8. Ruairi Gormley - Strabane
9. Liam Gray - Trillick
10. Oran Mallon - Dungannon
11. Darragh Canavan - Errigal
12. Mark McKearney - Dungannon
13. James Garrity - Trillick
14. Sean Og McAleer - Gortin
15. Tiarnan Quinn - Coalisland

16. Oran Grimes
17. Damian McGuigan
18. Ryan Jones
19. Conall Devlin
20. Joe Oguz
21. James Morgan
22. Peter Og McCartan
23. Liam Nugent
24. Cathaoir Gallagher
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 25, 2019, 07:52:30 PM
Ok hard to know what to take from that game. Positives, no injuries. Neagatives, missed strictly come dancing cause of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 25, 2019, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 25, 2019, 07:52:30 PM
Ok hard to know what to take from that game. Positives, no injuries. Neagatives, missed strictly come dancing cause of it.

Should that not be a positive?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 25, 2019, 08:46:31 PM
The likely semi final against Donegal has now taken on an extra significance after Mayo were dumped out today.

The loser will be entering into R2 where they can meet Monaghan but not Mayo.

It's a tough ask to come through the qualifiers this year.

Could make for a rather weak Super 8s though if a few of them miss out on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 25, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2019, 08:46:31 PM
The likely semi final against Donegal has now taken on an extra significance after Mayo were dumped out today.

The loser will be entering into R2 where they can meet Monaghan but not Mayo.

It's a tough ask to come through the qualifiers this year.

Could make for a rather weak Super 8s though if a few of them miss out on it.

Could also be a group of death if it's Ulster champions, Munster champions and one or two of monaghan, mayo, donegal/fermanagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 25, 2019, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 25, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2019, 08:46:31 PM
The likely semi final against Donegal has now taken on an extra significance after Mayo were dumped out today.

The loser will be entering into R2 where they can meet Monaghan but not Mayo.

It's a tough ask to come through the qualifiers this year.

Could make for a rather weak Super 8s though if a few of them miss out on it.

Could also be a group of death if it's Ulster champions, Munster champions and one or two of monaghan, mayo, donegal/fermanagh

Possibly but you're really reliant on the luck of the draw in keeping them apart. Winning Ulster is a must this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 25, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2019, 10:10:18 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 25, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2019, 08:46:31 PM
The likely semi final against Donegal has now taken on an extra significance after Mayo were dumped out today.

The loser will be entering into R2 where they can meet Monaghan but not Mayo.

It's a tough ask to come through the qualifiers this year.

Could make for a rather weak Super 8s though if a few of them miss out on it.

Could also be a group of death if it's Ulster champions, Munster champions and one or two of monaghan, mayo, donegal/fermanagh

Possibly but you're really reliant on the look of the draw in keeping them apart. Winning Ulster is a must this year.

Winning Ulster is easier than going through the qualifiers as it stands unquestionably.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 26, 2019, 08:40:38 PM
Any view on the u-20 game today? Any stand outs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on May 26, 2019, 09:00:03 PM
Tyrone - Donegal in Breffni Park ....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 01, 2019, 05:22:03 PM
U20 Result:
Tyrone 3-09
Mayo 0-11

They've now qualified for the final of the Paddy McGuinness Cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: deadman on June 02, 2019, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 26, 2019, 08:40:38 PM
Any view on the u-20 game today? Any stand outs?

Conor Quinn, Conall Grimes, Antoin Fox all had good games at the back. Ruairi Gormley in midfield had a decent game. In forwards, Mark McKearney got on a tonne of ball, Darragh Canavan very exciting and direct anytime he got on possession. Sean Og McAleer is a very effectveive and capable full forward. Some real promise in this team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 02, 2019, 02:14:29 PM
Quote from: deadman on June 02, 2019, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 26, 2019, 08:40:38 PM
Any view on the u-20 game today? Any stand outs?

Conor Quinn, Conall Grimes, Antoin Fox all had good games at the back. Ruairi Gormley in midfield had a decent game. In forwards, Mark McKearney got on a tonne of ball, Darragh Canavan very exciting and direct anytime he got on possession. Sean Og McAleer is a very effectveive and capable full forward. Some real promise in this team.

Good man, thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on June 03, 2019, 10:11:04 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on June 01, 2019, 05:22:03 PM
U20 Result:
Tyrone 3-09
Mayo 0-11

They've now qualified for the final of the Paddy McGuinness Cup.
No likey, no lighty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 05, 2019, 07:26:09 AM
With regard to the u20s, obviously as it's only a warm up competition I'd expect that we'll be using it to have a look at some players.

No Murnaghan involved yet and I thought Peter Og McCartan would be playing a more central role but he's only played off the bench in the two games so far. It would be very disappointing if these lads didn't come out on top in Ulster this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 06, 2019, 03:23:59 PM
Will Breffni Park hold all the rain that's falling this week and also giving on Saturday, lucky its not in Omagh because not a chance it would hold!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 06, 2019, 03:31:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 06, 2019, 03:23:59 PM
Will Breffni Park hold all the rain that's falling this week and also giving on Saturday, lucky its not in Omagh because not a chance it would hold!

It'll be fine in Cavan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on June 07, 2019, 10:58:19 AM
Is Hayes from KC injured or just not in the panel for the u20s?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on June 07, 2019, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 07, 2019, 10:58:19 AM
Is Hayes from KC injured or just not in the panel for the u20s?

Injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 07, 2019, 12:36:52 PM
Tyrone Starting  V. Donegal

1 N Morgan
2 P Hampsey
3 R McNamee
4 M McKernan
5 T McCann
6 B McDonnell
7 M Cassidy
8 C Cavanagh
9 R Donnelly
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 F Burns
13 C Mcshane
14 P Harte
15 C McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 07, 2019, 04:20:21 PM
Last year's AI final team and subs
1. Niall Morgan (Clonoe)
2. Michael McKernan (Coalisland)
3. Ronan McNamee (Aghyaran)
4. Padraig Hampsey (Coalisland)
5. Tiernan McCann (Killyclogher)
10. Mattie Donnelly (Trillick)
18. Rory Brennan (Trillick)
8. Colm Cavanagh (Moy)
9. Cathal McShane (Eoghan Ruadh)
12. Kieran McGeary (Pomeroy)
11. Niall Sludden (Dromore)
7. Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran)
13. Mark Bradley (Killyclogher)
25. Conor Meyler (Omagh)
15. Connor McAliskey (Clonoe)

Subs
17. Lee Brennan (Trillick) for Meyler (39)
6. Frank Burns (Pomeroy) for Sludden (46)
14. Richard Donnelly (Trillick) for McAliskey (49)
20. Harry Loughran (Moy) for McGeary (black card) (49)
22. Declan McClure (Clonoe) for McShane (55)
26. Ronan O'Neill (Omagh) for Bradley (64)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:06:29 PM
First off, I think Mickey Harte has to take the wrap for that one.

We were all over the shop, big open holes in the centre of the pitch and the warning signs were already there from the first two games.

Now, for all those who have been moaning and complaining about the type of football we have played for the last number of years - does today finally spell it out that we simply don't have the defenders that can playing a top team man on man? We only seem to have two decent man markers in our squad - Brennan and Hampsey.

How we could be beaten so badly on kickouts all game long really raises serious questions over the management team. Despite being comprehensively outplayed all game long if we could have at least competed on kickouts we could have had opportunities to draw that game in injury time.

We're in the qualifiers now, in other years it might not have been such a bad thing but now it is, we could draw Monaghan in the next round then after that there is a substantial chance we will meet Mayo. There's a lot to fix but we are at the mercy of the draw and I don't fancy us at this point to come through a tough draw.

To finish off, there were lots of bad performances out there today but I have to say I was particularly disappointed in Mattie Donnelly. I thought as captain, his attitude and effort was pretty pathethic as one of the leaders of the team. If you contrast Donnelly and Murphy today in what both players gave to their team it was night and day.

The decision making from some of our lads today was abysmal.

Going forward we have a big gaping goal around the centre of our defence, it is time to return to mass defence and try and leave Donnelly and McShane inside. We simply do not have the defenders to contain quality forwards in wide open spaces.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and fucks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:58:40 PM
McCurry should have been on for Harte also after the black card when we had a complete absence of a left footed free taker.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on June 08, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
Tyrone were a complete shambles! No CHB commanding the space in front of the D. Unforced changes to the starting team were completely ineffective. Peter Harte's card was a joke .

The scoreline flattered Tyrone tbh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 08, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
Tyrone were a complete shambles! No CHB commanding the space in front of the D. Unforced changes to the starting team were completely ineffective. Peter Harte's card was a joke .

The scoreline flattered Tyrone tbh

CHB has been a huge problem for Tyrone since Gormley and the McMahons left the panel. We have loads of backs who like to bomb forward but have little interest in defending.

People can slag McCrory all they want and the limitations he has but he's one of the few lads we have who seems to have some grasp on defensive positioning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 08, 2019, 09:46:21 PM
We seen the reason today why we have to play packed defences!! No harm but anyman playing that O'Donnell lad CHB needs his head looking at plus throwing in Rafferty in a game like that...pure madness!! Big Collie is done unfortunately as well....bad day all round will get to super 8 hopefully.... looked sluggish the day all over!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 08, 2019, 09:50:41 PM
Aidan McCrory
Ben McDonnell
Brian Kennedy

How to fk do they get a game for Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
[/b][/b]

Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on June 08, 2019, 10:02:41 PM
Kennedy is still rough around the edges but will improve for sure. McDonnell unfortunately is out of his depth at this level. You feel that if he wasn't from Errigal he would be nowhere near the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
[/b][/b]

Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
[/b][/b]

Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o

No. I'm saying he played as an orthodox midfielder in the centre of the pitch. You seem to be under the impression he played as imaginary midfielder. At one stage in the first half he was up with Kennedy in the Donegal 6 yard box for the goal chance.

What game were you watching?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 08, 2019, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn't playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 08, 2019, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn't playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 08, 2019, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 08, 2019, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
[/b][/b]

Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn't playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:08:52 PM
This was the most naive tactical display since we got destroyed down in Kerry in 2014 in the league. Harte left Barry Tierney on James O'Donoghue for the entire match that day as O'Donoghue absolutely skinned him alive. We got an absolute hockeying.

We went on to have an abject Championship that year, knocked out by Monaghan in Ulster before Armagh gave us an early summer.

We were at a low ebb, Peter Donnelly came into the set up and transformed us into a real well oiled, defensively solid counter attacking side.

We've done that for the past 4 years, it has brought us 2 Ulster Championships, 2 All Ireland semi finalists and a final appearance in those 4 years.

Harte has buckled to the clowns who don't like the aesthetics of that style of game and the problem for us is that when we move away from a game that suits the players we have then that is what you get.

What I'd like to know is how does Peter Donnelly feel about the change in tactics this year? If we don't go back to basics we will be having a very short summer like 2014 again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.

Don't change the subject just answer the fcukin question...

Who did colm cavanagh mark in his conventional role as an orthodox midfielder.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2019, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 08, 2019, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
[/b][/b]

Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn't playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2019, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 08, 2019, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
[/b][/b]

Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn't playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:18:58 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2019, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 08, 2019, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn't playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink

You're very confused alright, you were telling us Colm Cavanagh was playing as a sweeper today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:28:35 PM
Is Meyler injured?

He was doing the water today.

I'd find it very strange if he is fit and available that he can't make our 26.

I'd have him a certain starter for Tyrone, he's an absolute workhorse and I don't think Donegal would have had it as easy today if he was available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:32:34 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn't playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink

You're very confused alright, you were telling us Colm Cavanagh was playing as a sweeper today.
Still no answer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:36:44 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:18:58 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 07:39:52 PM
Angelo, harte has never took the rap for anything in his life. That was a disgrace. Why drop Cassidy? Rafferty started for skeet? Mc crory now a regular sub again? Wtf? Just when I thought harte had got his shit together he goes and makes a pile of needless changes and f**ks everything up. I'm fuckin ragin after that.

He made big, big calls in the starting side. They all were badly wrong.

The alarm bells were ringing in the Derry and Antrim games the way a few fist passes down the middle and a few bodies running there could tear us to shreds. You could forgive that as it was Derry and Antrim and I was naive enough to think we'll be much more reserved against Donegal - nope.

We played the same sort of tactics against Derry and Antrim as against Donegal, absolutely wide open we were. For those who were crying for us to play a more expansive game and go man on man with teams with deadly forwards and pace around the middle of the pitch - there was the evidence about the quality of defenders in our panel.

I have to say I've been very disappointed with McKernan of late, he's very much overrated. He's got good pace and power and likes to bomb forward but he got absolutely toasted by Brennan today, he got destroyed in the All Ireland final last year too.

McShane has been a good find at full forward but unless teams play open against you he is not going to be much use. Any ball we put in there today he had a host of bodies around him or it was cut out by the players playing in front of them. The difference today was Donegal had a defensive system and we did not.

I wouldn't get carried away if I was a Donegal fan though as despite how badly set up we were, the fact we had one of our best players wrongly black carded in the first half, the fact that many of our big players completely disappeared, the fact we were completely wiped out on kickouts and the fact we spurned three decent goal chances in the first half, we still only lost by 4.

It's a wake up call for Harte and the people who were looking for us to go toe to toe with the top teams though.
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Strange analysis.

1st half Tyrone played with a sweeper in colm cavanagh, conceded all the kickouts dropped men back and were torn to shreds.

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

Strange analysis as Cavanagh played as an orthodox midfielder all first half. We didn't play any sweeper at all. How drunk were you watching that?

I honestly doubted if you knew anything about football but maybe it's just that your eyes don't work too good.
Are you saying cavanagh was marking Hugh mc fadden...
The donegal sweeper  :o
Cavanagh wasn't playing as a sweeper in the first half. He should have been. But he played as a standard MF.

Clear as day.

He was out around the middle of the pitch chasing shadows and he couldn't lay a glove on anyone. When In Hiding sobers up and goes back to watch the game he might see that Cavanagh is generally struggling to get back on the halfway line, 20 yards behind the Donegal man attacking with the ball.

When Cavanagh plays as a sweeper, as soon as Tyrone lose the ball, he turns his back and sprints back into position. Today he was out around the middle of the pitch chasing after lads and he was about 20 yards behind the Donegal play as soon as they attacked forward. We had no sweeper today. It was a complete and utter tactical failure.

It was the type of naive play that a defensive team loves to play against and Donegal lapped it up, they dropped bodies back, they cut off the early supply, Tyrone were clueless on the ball and ran into blind alleys and as soon as the ball was turned over they had oceans of room to attack at pace and the defenders we left back man on man got utterly destroyed.

How anyone can sit there and say we played a sweeper in the first half wouldn't know whether a ball was pumped or stuffed.


Was at the game and Ben mcdonell was the sweeper regularly in the first half

Ben McDonnell was the centre back, like a lot of other players today, he had a stinker.

He was the lad who did hold his position the most alright but he was far too high up the pitch in his starting position and was utterly redundant in how he read the situation.
He held his position the most...
Far too high up the pitch in his starting position...

I'm confused...
Must be the drink

You're very confused alright, you were telling us Colm Cavanagh was playing as a sweeper today.
Still no answer

Why does it matter who he is marking?

The problem for Tyrone was that most players just took to running at the man with the ball and ended up chasing shadows.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on June 09, 2019, 12:06:41 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.

He wasn't our spare defender. Liam Rafferty was our free defender for most of the first half. Although he didn't seem to know what he was supposed to be doing on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 12:08:16 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.

If we are competing man to man should Niall Morgan not be marking Shaun Patton? Man on man is generally used to reference leaving your defenders isolated in one of one battles with their attackers. Have Mayo man marked Cian O'Sullivan when they've played Dublin?

Cavanagh played in his midfield position and McFadden dropped back. He did not play as a sweeper as you imagined him to.

Tyrone played a very orthodox line up, Donegal got loads of men behind the ball when they didn't have it.

Donegal were very streetwise, Tyrone were very naive. We don't have the defenders to cope with top forwards man on man.

Cavanagh was playing in midfield, not defence. Did you actually watch the game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 09, 2019, 12:14:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 12:08:16 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
Still no answer.

He was our spare defender because his immediate opponent Hugh Mc Fadden was playing as a sweeper for Donegal. If he was competing man to man as you insist why did mc fadden win the majority of donegals first half kickouts unopposed.

If we are competing man to man should Niall Morgan not be marking Shaun Patton? Man on man is generally used to reference leaving your defenders isolated in one of one battles with their attackers. Have Mayo man marked Cian O'Sullivan when they've played Dublin?

Cavanagh played in his midfield position and McFadden dropped back. He did not play as a sweeper as you imagined him to.

Tyrone played a very orthodox line up, Donegal got loads of men behind the ball when they didn't have it.

Donegal were very streetwise, Tyrone were very naive. We don't have the defenders to cope with top forwards man on man.

Cavanagh was playing in midfield, not defence. Did you actually watch the game?

Hey you win. This is a waste of time.
Man to man means niall Morgan Marks shaun patron.

Enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on June 09, 2019, 04:16:10 AM
once they got regrouped at half time they had they dominated in large parts the second half but the damage was done. both harte and the players have to take heat for that the lack of leadership, confidence and a plan B was shocking. it shows Harte is the most influential player we have as the effect on the team until half time was palpable. But the calls for mccann to pick up brennan and not starting r brennan to pick up mchugh was crazy, particularly brennan not starting on mchugh where he has not give him a kick in previous matchups. mccann should get and deserves a length ban - no place for that bullshit, make an example of him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 09, 2019, 07:41:01 AM
Colm cavanagh 100 per cent did not play as an out and out sweeper as he did in previous years. I can't believe anyone who watched the game would argue he did. It was a really bad show all round.
We haven't learned how to attack the opposition kick out and it means pushing up is a waste of time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2019, 08:54:48 AM
Maybe we should sit Colm in at number 6 and protect the D. We need more mobility in the middle third and he doesn't appear to have the legs for a conventional midfield role especially if we are pushing up. But, we can't afford to lose his power in the tackle from our team just yet. The gaping hole in the centre of our defence yesterday is one of the biggest issues to come from our games so far and this is the only stop gap solution I can think of bar going full on blanket defence again - which nobody wants.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 09, 2019, 09:53:21 AM
Cavanagh was not a sweeper yesterday, whoever it was said he occupied the midfield is right.

The ease with which Donegal ran through the "sweeper position" over and over again shows it was a bad move.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2019, 12:57:48 PM
How do we get rid of Mickey Harte?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 09, 2019, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 09, 2019, 12:57:48 PM
How do we get rid of Mickey Harte?
contracted until the end of next year unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sambostar on June 09, 2019, 07:10:17 PM
That was a complete shambles, dunno were to start re the selection/tactical/performance shortcomings.
Cavanagh certainly wasn't sweeper. He was out around middle 1st half but totally ineffectual. But didn't even seem to be targeted by Morgan for kick-outs. We must have lost every one in 1st half when we went long, same as Derry game. McDonnell from Errigal seemed to be sweeper 1st half, no harm to the lad but he was totally out of his depth. He was way too deep & so Donegal got countless scores from play from inside 45 with no-one pressurising the shot.
Harte selection was bemusing. I thought Cassidy must have been injured but then he appears with the game over so obviously not injured. And where does the lad Rafferty suddenly appear from in the starting lineup?? If you were Rory Brennan you'd be seriously thinking of joining your brother leaving the squad when you see McDonnell & Rafferty starting ahead of you.
As mentioned already there was no left-footed free-taker once Harte went off until McCurry came on about 30mins later. Again, Lee Brennan sitting watching the game on telly whilst McAliskey spent the whole day running up & down the stand sideline.
Overall tactics were baffling & played right into Donegal hands, they had 14 men behind the ball with at least 2 sweepers & just hit Tyrone on the counter all game. Yet Tyrone still let them take short kick-outs until about 5mins left. Yet on Tyrone kick outs Morgan was mostly forced long which we invariably lost. Kennedy does not appear to be county standard.
Another reason Tyrone are so open is because last year Mattie was back there helping out, so you're robbing Peter to pay Paul now he's further forward. When Donegal had so many back it was a waste to leave Matty in there. Harte seemed to be fixated on idea that Tyrone needed to keep men up, there has to be adaptability in the tactics/system - Bonner must have been laughing at Tyrone after that yesterday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 08:39:30 PM
Quote from: sambostar on June 09, 2019, 07:10:17 PM
That was a complete shambles, dunno were to start re the selection/tactical/performance shortcomings.
Cavanagh certainly wasn't sweeper. He was out around middle 1st half but totally ineffectual. But didn't even seem to be targeted by Morgan for kick-outs. We must have lost every one in 1st half when we went long, same as Derry game. McDonnell from Errigal seemed to be sweeper 1st half, no harm to the lad but he was totally out of his depth. He was way too deep & so Donegal got countless scores from play from inside 45 with no-one pressurising the shot.
Harte selection was bemusing. I thought Cassidy must have been injured but then he appears with the game over so obviously not injured. And where does the lad Rafferty suddenly appear from in the starting lineup?? If you were Rory Brennan you'd be seriously thinking of joining your brother leaving the squad when you see McDonnell & Rafferty starting ahead of you.
As mentioned already there was no left-footed free-taker once Harte went off until McCurry came on about 30mins later. Again, Lee Brennan sitting watching the game on telly whilst McAliskey spent the whole day running up & down the stand sideline.
Overall tactics were baffling & played right into Donegal hands, they had 14 men behind the ball with at least 2 sweepers & just hit Tyrone on the counter all game. Yet Tyrone still let them take short kick-outs until about 5mins left. Yet on Tyrone kick outs Morgan was mostly forced long which we invariably lost. Kennedy does not appear to be county standard.
Another reason Tyrone are so open is because last year Mattie was back there helping out, so you're robbing Peter to pay Paul now he's further forward. When Donegal had so many back it was a waste to leave Matty in there. Harte seemed to be fixated on idea that Tyrone needed to keep men up, there has to be adaptability in the tactics/system - Bonner must have been laughing at Tyrone after that yesterday

I'd agree with nearly all that.

I think you're a bit harsh on Kennedy though, he didn't have a great game but he's only 21 in his second Championship game and was a fair bit better than some of the more established players playing along side him.

The whole team was a shambles and some of the players who should be our leaders really let the team down.

The main issue thought was the shape and tactics. The players looked like they didn't have a clue. This Tyrone side really don't seem to respond well to crisis though. Most times when the tide turns against us in a big game against a good side, the decision making goes to pot. The game against Donegal last year in the Super 8s is the only one I can remember us actually playing with composure in that regard. We stumbled over the line against Monaghan and threw the game away against Dublin in a 10 minute spell in the first half after a great start.

Some of this is the players, some of it is how they're being coached.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 09, 2019, 11:51:40 PM
Just watched the game again and it doesn't get any better.  Why commit to an attacking gameplan then drop 2 forwards and replace them with defenders/ midfielders? Negative bullshit before the game even started.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 09:34:29 AM
Saturday was a mess lads. From the late changes which absolutely perplexed everyone (then the lads named to start all came on, even more strangely) set the tone for the whole game.

Once Donegal got the goal it was pretty much all over bar the shouting. Murphy was absolutely unplayable, he gave a lesson and Donegal destroyed the Tyrone middle 8. That surely was a wake up call for some lads on the Tyrone side. Frank Burns was absolutely anonymous on top of the previously mentioned players. It was a strange, strange set up but fair play to Donegal - their goalkeeper was exceptional in both distribution and keeping itself. They just seemed to win ball when they wanted.

Could have been even worse had Donegal really wanted a bloodbath instead of tuning out with 10 mins to go and seeing out the clock.

Scary, scary difference between the teams on Saturday night.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 10, 2019, 11:28:06 AM
You could see this performance coming after the last two outings against division 4 opposition. Some turn up in intensity from Donegal on Saturday evening, and it looked as if the tyrone players had forgot what hard work was.Loads of pointing and shadow tackling. Was it just me or did most of the tyrone team look seriously leggy from the get go. Too many players had bad performances, both seasoned campaigners and younger inexperienced players, for me the only man who stood up to be counted and really made an effort was mcgeary.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 10, 2019, 11:35:30 AM
The game was lost on the line. It's like Harte just drew the names out a hat. I have sympathy for the players. I think they had no idea what the game plan was. They didn't know who to pick up. They seemed to have no belief in Harte and Harte seemed to have no belief in his team.

On a broader point all the forwards who we thought would be leading the line for years aren't playing under Harte. Now yes 1 or 2 will naturally not make it, but at this point you have to point the finger at management. Off the top of my head

R O'Neill
McAliskey
McCurry
L Brennan
M Bradley
Mulgrew?  Ardboe lad. Is he injured?


None of them are able to hold down a starting position and most have left the panel. Surely there's something wrong here?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 12:21:27 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0610/1054433-styles-make-fights-as-tyrone-walk-into-donegal-trap/

Aidan O'Rourke has some great analysis here IMO. We have a complete dearth of quality man markers on the panel which shows a) why we have set up the way we have in the past few years and b) why we lost when we deviated from that set-up on Saturday.

O'Rourke flags McKernan as someone who is not naturally suited to this role, he is an attacking wing-back, but is required to do a man marking job because of a lack of options elsewhere. Say what you want about Aidan McCrory but at least he is a natural corner back who plays there for his club and is trusted with marking the best forwards in the county when playing for Errigal.

Does anyone have an explanation for why we aren't producing quality players of this kind at the moment? Or are there any not on the panel or on the u20 panel who could make the step up in the next year or two?

It's often the case in Tyrone that the lads who are man markers for the county team play further out the field for their clubs, either as attaching half backs or at midfield. Does this lead to a dulling of their defensive abilities as time goes on as the player is more interested in the more glamorous role of pushing forward? I'm not so sure as I'd imagine this is also the case in other counties.

Interestingly, probably Tyrone's best marker of the past 10 years was Cathal McCarron who always played full back for Dromore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 12:21:27 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0610/1054433-styles-make-fights-as-tyrone-walk-into-donegal-trap/

Aidan O'Rourke has some great analysis here IMO. We have a complete dearth of quality man markers on the panel which shows a) why we have set up the way we have in the past few years and b) why we lost when we deviated from that set-up on Saturday.

O'Rourke flags McKernan as someone who is not naturally suited to this role, he is an attacking wing-back, but is required to do a man marking job because of a lack of options elsewhere. Say what you want about Aidan McCrory but at least he is a natural corner back who plays there for his club and is trusted with marking the best forwards in the county when playing for Errigal.

Does anyone have an explanation for why we aren't producing quality players of this kind at the moment? Or are there any not on the panel or on the u20 panel who could make the step up in the next year or two?

It's often the case in Tyrone that the lads who are man markers for the county team play further out the field for their clubs, either as attaching half backs or at midfield. Does this lead to a dulling of their defensive abilities as time goes on as the player is more interested in the more glamorous role of pushing forward? I'm not so sure as I'd imagine this is also the case in other counties.

Interestingly, probably Tyrone's best marker of the past 10 years was Cathal McCarron who always played full back for Dromore.
utter, f**king rubbish. Mc Kernan not a man marker? I remember him like a limpet on mark Bradley in county final few years ago. Too many defenders got a free ride under the blanket last few years and now either been found out or forgot how to man mark. Harte been shown up once again and no amount of finger pointing gonna get him away this time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 10, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 12:21:27 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0610/1054433-styles-make-fights-as-tyrone-walk-into-donegal-trap/

Aidan O'Rourke has some great analysis here IMO. We have a complete dearth of quality man markers on the panel which shows a) why we have set up the way we have in the past few years and b) why we lost when we deviated from that set-up on Saturday.

O'Rourke flags McKernan as someone who is not naturally suited to this role, he is an attacking wing-back, but is required to do a man marking job because of a lack of options elsewhere. Say what you want about Aidan McCrory but at least he is a natural corner back who plays there for his club and is trusted with marking the best forwards in the county when playing for Errigal.

Does anyone have an explanation for why we aren't producing quality players of this kind at the moment? Or are there any not on the panel or on the u20 panel who could make the step up in the next year or two?

It's often the case in Tyrone that the lads who are man markers for the county team play further out the field for their clubs, either as attaching half backs or at midfield. Does this lead to a dulling of their defensive abilities as time goes on as the player is more interested in the more glamorous role of pushing forward? I'm not so sure as I'd imagine this is also the case in other counties.

Interestingly, probably Tyrone's best marker of the past 10 years was Cathal McCarron who always played full back for Dromore.
utter, f**king rubbish. Mc Kernan not a man marker? I remember him like a limpet on mark Bradley in county final few years ago. Too many defenders got a free ride under the blanket last few years and now either been found out or forgot how to man mark. Harte been shown up once again and no amount of finger pointing gonna get him away this time.
Was that the year Bradley scored 9 off him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 10, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 12:21:27 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0610/1054433-styles-make-fights-as-tyrone-walk-into-donegal-trap/

Aidan O'Rourke has some great analysis here IMO. We have a complete dearth of quality man markers on the panel which shows a) why we have set up the way we have in the past few years and b) why we lost when we deviated from that set-up on Saturday.

O'Rourke flags McKernan as someone who is not naturally suited to this role, he is an attacking wing-back, but is required to do a man marking job because of a lack of options elsewhere. Say what you want about Aidan McCrory but at least he is a natural corner back who plays there for his club and is trusted with marking the best forwards in the county when playing for Errigal.

Does anyone have an explanation for why we aren't producing quality players of this kind at the moment? Or are there any not on the panel or on the u20 panel who could make the step up in the next year or two?

It's often the case in Tyrone that the lads who are man markers for the county team play further out the field for their clubs, either as attaching half backs or at midfield. Does this lead to a dulling of their defensive abilities as time goes on as the player is more interested in the more glamorous role of pushing forward? I'm not so sure as I'd imagine this is also the case in other counties.

Interestingly, probably Tyrone's best marker of the past 10 years was Cathal McCarron who always played full back for Dromore.
utter, f**king rubbish. Mc Kernan not a man marker? I remember him like a limpet on mark Bradley in county final few years ago. Too many defenders got a free ride under the blanket last few years and now either been found out or forgot how to man mark. Harte been shown up once again and no amount of finger pointing gonna get him away this time.
Was that the year Bradley scored 9 off him?

Think there was a gouge incident that day as well  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 12:59:08 PM
Mc Kernan only man to get close to marking Bradley that year. Fair enough killyclogher overrun them in Replay. Laughable how Mickey's disciple's complain that we didn't have the forwards. Now we don't have the defenders either? What have we got then? A fuckin manager who should have been shown the door years ago. Aiden Mc crory still getting game time for a team that's supposed to be all Ireland contenders? Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 10, 2019, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 12:21:27 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0610/1054433-styles-make-fights-as-tyrone-walk-into-donegal-trap/

Aidan O'Rourke has some great analysis here IMO. We have a complete dearth of quality man markers on the panel which shows a) why we have set up the way we have in the past few years and b) why we lost when we deviated from that set-up on Saturday.

O'Rourke flags McKernan as someone who is not naturally suited to this role, he is an attacking wing-back, but is required to do a man marking job because of a lack of options elsewhere. Say what you want about Aidan McCrory but at least he is a natural corner back who plays there for his club and is trusted with marking the best forwards in the county when playing for Errigal.

Does anyone have an explanation for why we aren't producing quality players of this kind at the moment? Or are there any not on the panel or on the u20 panel who could make the step up in the next year or two?

It's often the case in Tyrone that the lads who are man markers for the county team play further out the field for their clubs, either as attaching half backs or at midfield. Does this lead to a dulling of their defensive abilities as time goes on as the player is more interested in the more glamorous role of pushing forward? I'm not so sure as I'd imagine this is also the case in other counties.

Interestingly, probably Tyrone's best marker of the past 10 years was Cathal McCarron who always played full back for Dromore.
utter, f**king rubbish. Mc Kernan not a man marker? I remember him like a limpet on mark Bradley in county final few years ago. Too many defenders got a free ride under the blanket last few years and now either been found out or forgot how to man mark. Harte been shown up once again and no amount of finger pointing gonna get him away this time.

McKernan has got a few absolute roastings man on man in the past year or so. He's not a good man marker and you can't blame Harte for that as he's only on the panel a year or two.

Harte got it badly wrong on Saturday, we neither have the defenders or the forwards. There's a serious overrating of the quality of players we have among some on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 01:54:10 PM
Brian Mc guigan on offtheball now saying he wouldn't be surprised if few Tyrone players walked from the panel and named Kyle Coney as most likely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on June 10, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
I'd love 4-5 Kieran McGeary's on that team There was one instance in the second half, game was over and Donegal had another break up field, ball came to Paddy McBrearty. McGeary was behind 2-3 other Tyrone players who were jogging back and he sprinted as hard as he could to make up ground. Didn't get the block in but he gave it a good shout. Attitude is so important.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 10, 2019, 02:11:45 PM
If Brian McGuigan is correct that would be great. Only way to get change is if there is a player revolt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 10, 2019, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: phpearse on June 10, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
I'd love 4-5 Kieran McGeary's on that team There was one instance in the second half, game was over and Donegal had another break up field, ball came to Paddy McBrearty. McGeary was behind 2-3 other Tyrone players who were jogging back and he sprinted as hard as he could to make up ground. Didn't get the block in but he gave it a good shout. Attitude is so important.

Attitude had a massive bearing on it. Donegal were so much more hungry than us for every ball.

McGeary and McShane seemed to be the only two hungry for the battle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
Biggest sign that somethings is not right in the camp is young Rafferty getting a start. Unless he was showing some unreal skills at training and justified a run out i can only think there was a bit of of a player revoult and Harte being Harte was showing lads that he is the boss.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
Serious Rumours floating about already....Hope panel sticks together for the immediate future at least!! Has the team holiday caused more problems than we care to admit?????????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 10, 2019, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
Serious Rumours floating about already....Hope panel sticks together for the immediate future at least!! Has the team holiday caused more problems than we care to admit?????????

Whats the rumours?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 10, 2019, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
Serious Rumours floating about already....Hope panel sticks together for the immediate future at least!! Has the team holiday caused more problems than we care to admit?????????

Whats the rumours?

2/3 players have left the panel i hope not!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on June 10, 2019, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 10, 2019, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
Serious Rumours floating about already....Hope panel sticks together for the immediate future at least!! Has the team holiday caused more problems than we care to admit?????????

Whats the rumours?

2/3 players have left the panel i hope not!!!

Who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
Biggest sign that somethings is not right in the camp is young Rafferty getting a start. Unless he was showing some unreal skills at training and justified a run out i can only think there was a bit of of a player revoult and Harte being Harte was showing lads that he is the boss.

He's a really good player, however expected him to go down the path at Tyrone that he'll sit for a year doing nothing before getting a game. Was really surprised to see him take the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 10, 2019, 02:43:45 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 10, 2019, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
Serious Rumours floating about already....Hope panel sticks together for the immediate future at least!! Has the team holiday caused more problems than we care to admit?????????

Whats the rumours?

2/3 players have left the panel i hope not!!!

Who?

Grugan i heard....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 03:01:54 PM
I had heard on Saturday before game that harte had unexpectedly told everyone that there was no pints or socializing after game. Back to westenra for food, team meeting then every man home.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
Biggest sign that somethings is not right in the camp is young Rafferty getting a start. Unless he was showing some unreal skills at training and justified a run out i can only think there was a bit of of a player revoult and Harte being Harte was showing lads that he is the boss.

He's a really good player, however expected him to go down the path at Tyrone that he'll sit for a year doing nothing before getting a game. Was really surprised to see him take the field.

Not gettin at the lad but he has never been mentioned before as a starter, no run out in the league or McKenna cup so how does he start ahead of other seasoned players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
Biggest sign that somethings is not right in the camp is young Rafferty getting a start. Unless he was showing some unreal skills at training and justified a run out i can only think there was a bit of of a player revoult and Harte being Harte was showing lads that he is the boss.

He's a really good player, however expected him to go down the path at Tyrone that he'll sit for a year doing nothing before getting a game. Was really surprised to see him take the field.

Not gettin at the lad but he has never been mentioned before as a starter, no run out in the league or McKenna cup so how does he start ahead of other seasoned players.

He started v Kerry and Monaghan in the League and played 3 or 4 McKenna Cup games. He also got a couple of minutes at the end of the Derry championship game. He was brought in to do a specific man-marking job on Ryan McHugh, I don't think he had a great game but he was far from the worst on show. McHugh was quiet enough in the first half while Rafferty was on the pitch, and he made a good run for Harte's goal chance when McShane fisted it across the goal.

I've no issue with him starting, sometimes these gambles work and sometimes they don't. Although it was the wrong call to drop Michael Cassidy in favour of him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on June 10, 2019, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
Biggest sign that somethings is not right in the camp is young Rafferty getting a start. Unless he was showing some unreal skills at training and justified a run out i can only think there was a bit of of a player revoult and Harte being Harte was showing lads that he is the boss.

He's a really good player, however expected him to go down the path at Tyrone that he'll sit for a year doing nothing before getting a game. Was really surprised to see him take the field.

Not gettin at the lad but he has never been mentioned before as a starter, no run out in the league or McKenna cup so how does he start ahead of other seasoned players.

He started v Kerry and Monaghan in the League and played 3 or 4 McKenna Cup games. He also got a couple of minutes at the end of the Derry championship game. He was brought in to do a specific man-marking job on Ryan McHugh, I don't think he had a great game but he was far from the worst on show. McHugh was quiet enough in the first half while Rafferty was on the pitch, and he made a good run for Harte's goal chance when McShane fisted it across the goal.

I've no issue with him starting, sometimes these gambles work and sometimes they don't. Although it was the wrong call to drop Michael Cassidy in favour of him

They didn't drop Cassidy for him. Rafferty replaced Skeet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on June 10, 2019, 04:37:00 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on June 10, 2019, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
Biggest sign that somethings is not right in the camp is young Rafferty getting a start. Unless he was showing some unreal skills at training and justified a run out i can only think there was a bit of of a player revoult and Harte being Harte was showing lads that he is the boss.

He's a really good player, however expected him to go down the path at Tyrone that he'll sit for a year doing nothing before getting a game. Was really surprised to see him take the field.

Not gettin at the lad but he has never been mentioned before as a starter, no run out in the league or McKenna cup so how does he start ahead of other seasoned players.

He started v Kerry and Monaghan in the League and played 3 or 4 McKenna Cup games. He also got a couple of minutes at the end of the Derry championship game. He was brought in to do a specific man-marking job on Ryan McHugh, I don't think he had a great game but he was far from the worst on show. McHugh was quiet enough in the first half while Rafferty was on the pitch, and he made a good run for Harte's goal chance when McShane fisted it across the goal.

I've no issue with him starting, sometimes these gambles work and sometimes they don't. Although it was the wrong call to drop Michael Cassidy in favour of him

They didn't drop Cassidy for him. Rafferty replaced Skeet.

It was a crazy decision to drop Cassidy anyway. he has been one of the finds of the season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 10, 2019, 04:44:32 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 10, 2019, 04:37:00 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on June 10, 2019, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 10, 2019, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 10, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
Biggest sign that somethings is not right in the camp is young Rafferty getting a start. Unless he was showing some unreal skills at training and justified a run out i can only think there was a bit of of a player revoult and Harte being Harte was showing lads that he is the boss.

He's a really good player, however expected him to go down the path at Tyrone that he'll sit for a year doing nothing before getting a game. Was really surprised to see him take the field.

Not gettin at the lad but he has never been mentioned before as a starter, no run out in the league or McKenna cup so how does he start ahead of other seasoned players.

He started v Kerry and Monaghan in the League and played 3 or 4 McKenna Cup games. He also got a couple of minutes at the end of the Derry championship game. He was brought in to do a specific man-marking job on Ryan McHugh, I don't think he had a great game but he was far from the worst on show. McHugh was quiet enough in the first half while Rafferty was on the pitch, and he made a good run for Harte's goal chance when McShane fisted it across the goal.

I've no issue with him starting, sometimes these gambles work and sometimes they don't. Although it was the wrong call to drop Michael Cassidy in favour of him

They didn't drop Cassidy for him. Rafferty replaced Skeet.

It was a crazy decision to drop Cassidy anyway. he has been one of the finds of the season.

A decision that had all the hallmark of the early onset of Alzheimers. The man's clearly away with the fairies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on June 10, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.

Don't change the subject just answer the fcukin question...

Who did colm cavanagh mark in his conventional role as an orthodox midfielder.

To jump in on "In Hidings" (Hartes Cub) and "Angelos" love in -

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

I cant believe you actually tried to argue that winning the 2nd half the other night was a positive you clown. Harte 100% to blame for that shambles. Wouldnt blame a few players for walking after seeing some excuse of players both starting and coming on. That Mc Donnell lad cant fist pass to a man 10 yards away, got PH his black card (which was a trip by leading with his foot)

I repeat, this Tyrone team are hugely over rated. I dont think I ever saw Hampshey ever roasted as bad in my life either. Suppose Murphy was due 1 against him as Hampshey as regularly won that battle
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on June 10, 2019, 05:34:20 PM
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I dont think I ever saw Hampshey ever roasted as bad in my life either. Suppose Murphy was due 1 against him as Hampshey as regularly won that battle

Surprised Hampsey started. Didn't train at all last week. Thought Harte said he wasn't going to start a player if he wasn't fully fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 10, 2019, 07:16:32 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
Serious Rumours floating about already....Hope panel sticks together for the immediate future at least!! Has the team holiday caused more problems than we care to admit?????????

What happened at the team holiday? Have heard this discussed before but no one said what the issue was
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 10, 2019, 07:25:37 PM
How does Rory Brennan not start every game for Tyrone. Always call on him to come on and mark someone and always does a good job. Especially now pushing up going man to man, Brennan would be a brilliant asset to have on the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 11, 2019, 07:57:12 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 10, 2019, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 10, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
Serious Rumours floating about already....Hope panel sticks together for the immediate future at least!! Has the team holiday caused more problems than we care to admit?????????

Whats the rumours?

2/3 players have left the panel i hope not!!!

Since the game? Wudnt be surprised to be honest.

Be interesting to see if Tiarnan McCann leaves the panel if he get a big enough ban that rules him out for the year and then goes and plays for club, although I think he will only get 1/2 games tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 11, 2019, 08:30:08 AM
It was a very poor performance on Saturday evening by the players and mistakes were also made on the line. The team looked flat and strangely clueless tactically. However, there has been the usual over the top nonsense reaction to a defeat on here. I'd be fairly confident some of the people giving out the most didn't even bother their backside to go to the game. Calling for player revolts and manager sackings mid championship is crazy stuff. It was the same kinda thing last year after the Monaghan defeat and the team ended up in an All Ireland final.

I always say the time to consider a managers future is at the end of the season and until then get behind him and the players. Huge improvement is needed going forward and both the manager and players need to look at themselves prior to the qualifiers. We need to tighten up at the back and learn how to the push the opposition kickout properly. We aren't pushing up properly giving the opposition an easy outlet from the kickout whilst leaving us exposed at the back. I agree with pushing up but the players need to take responsibility for ensuring no one is left free or gets a run on them.

Without naming names another problem (which management need to take responsibility for) is that we had too many players who weren't athletic enough on the pitch. We also had too many players that aren't aggressive enough. That's why I felt it was the wrong call to take Colm Cavanagh - people are always too quick to write older players off and he gives more aggression and work than anyone else on the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 11, 2019, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 11, 2019, 08:30:08 AM
It was a very poor performance on Saturday evening by the players and mistakes were also made on the line. The team looked flat and strangely clueless tactically. However, there has been the usual over the top nonsense reaction to a defeat on here. I'd be fairly confident some of the people giving out the most didn't even bother their backside to go to the game. Calling for player revolts and manager sackings mid championship is crazy stuff. It was the same kinda thing last year after the Monaghan defeat and the team ended up in an All Ireland final.

I always say the time to consider a managers future is at the end of the season and until then get behind him and the players. Huge improvement is needed going forward and both the manager and players need to look at themselves prior to the qualifiers. We need to tighten up at the back and learn how to the push the opposition kickout properly. We aren't pushing up properly giving the opposition an easy outlet from the kickout whilst leaving us exposed at the back. I agree with pushing up but the players need to take responsibility for ensuring no one is left free or gets a run on them.

Without naming names another problem (which management need to take responsibility for) is that we had too many players who weren't athletic enough on the pitch. We also had too many players that aren't aggressive enough. That's why I felt it was the wrong call to take Colm Cavanagh - people are always too quick to write older players off and he gives more aggression and work than anyone else on the team.


Colm Cavanagh looked rusty due prob too playing very little football.... later in the summer if we are still about he will be very important to us.....he would still be on my team every day....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 09:32:52 AM
Cavanagh needs to be deployed in the area he has excelled in over the last few years. I don't thing he has the legs to be going from box to box for 70 minutes and Tyrone badly need him protecting a weak defence.

I think Burns, McDonnell, McKernan and McCann (going to be suspended anyway) would be 4 players I'd definitely be dropping after that performance.

Anyone know if Meyler is injured. I'd struggle to comprehend how he couldn't make our matchday 26 if fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 11, 2019, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: Club boi on June 10, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.

Don't change the subject just answer the fcukin question...

Who did colm cavanagh mark in his conventional role as an orthodox midfielder.

To jump in on "In Hidings" (Hartes Cub) and "Angelos" love in -

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

I cant believe you actually tried to argue that winning the 2nd half the other night was a positive you clown. Harte 100% to blame for that shambles. Wouldnt blame a few players for walking after seeing some excuse of players both starting and coming on. That Mc Donnell lad cant fist pass to a man 10 yards away, got PH his black card (which was a trip by leading with his foot)

I repeat, this Tyrone team are hugely over rated. I dont think I ever saw Hampshey ever roasted as bad in my life either. Suppose Murphy was due 1 against him as Hampshey as regularly won that battle

If you think I'm hartes cub then you haven't read too many of my posts.
Was winning the second half a negative for you?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 11, 2019, 09:38:36 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 09:32:52 AM
Cavanagh needs to be deployed in the area he has excelled in over the last few years. I don't thing he has the legs to be going from box to box for 70 minutes and Tyrone badly need him protecting a weak defence.

I think Burns, McDonnell, McKernan and McCann (going to be suspended anyway) would be 4 players I'd definitely be dropping after that performance.

Anyone know if Meyler is injured. I'd struggle to comprehend how he couldn't make our matchday 26 if fit.

Tyrone have enough trouble with Tiernan McCann without Meyler being on the pitch. Gets himself involved in too many running battles and verbals, Donegal would have had him in their palms.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on June 11, 2019, 09:54:06 AM
Tiernan McCann should hear his fate soon. There is a meeting at some stage today
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on June 11, 2019, 11:56:36 AM
Mystery why Rory Brennan didn't start on McHugh. Been very effective on him in the past.

Don't think Donagal are Dublin beaters by any stretch of the imagination after that match, but are certainly a good young team progressing nicely.

Sometimes tactical gambles don't work and sometimes everything just seems to wrong for you on the day.

We had 3 clear goal chances, took none  - who knows if that would have given some confidence or rocked Donegal a little.

Hopefully not play as bad again this year - if we do - we're out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 11, 2019, 09:38:36 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 09:32:52 AM
Cavanagh needs to be deployed in the area he has excelled in over the last few years. I don't thing he has the legs to be going from box to box for 70 minutes and Tyrone badly need him protecting a weak defence.

I think Burns, McDonnell, McKernan and McCann (going to be suspended anyway) would be 4 players I'd definitely be dropping after that performance.

Anyone know if Meyler is injured. I'd struggle to comprehend how he couldn't make our matchday 26 if fit.

Tyrone have enough trouble with Tiernan McCann without Meyler being on the pitch. Gets himself involved in too many running battles and verbals, Donegal would have had him in their palms.

Meyler did a superb job on McHugh last year and his discipline is generally good. He might get under his opponents skin but I can't recall him being sent off for Tyrone yet or letting the team down in the discipline stakes.

He covers more ground than any Tyrone player I can think of and we badly missed his mobility on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 11, 2019, 01:17:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 11, 2019, 09:38:36 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 09:32:52 AM
Cavanagh needs to be deployed in the area he has excelled in over the last few years. I don't thing he has the legs to be going from box to box for 70 minutes and Tyrone badly need him protecting a weak defence.

I think Burns, McDonnell, McKernan and McCann (going to be suspended anyway) would be 4 players I'd definitely be dropping after that performance.

Anyone know if Meyler is injured. I'd struggle to comprehend how he couldn't make our matchday 26 if fit.

Tyrone have enough trouble with Tiernan McCann without Meyler being on the pitch. Gets himself involved in too many running battles and verbals, Donegal would have had him in their palms.

Meyler did a superb job on McHugh last year and his discipline is generally good. He might get under his opponents skin but I can't recall him being sent off for Tyrone yet or letting the team down in the discipline stakes.

He covers more ground than any Tyrone player I can think of and we badly missed his mobility on Saturday.

I'm a fan of Meyler too but his push on Cooper ( i think)when he was going nowhere along the sideline, which lead to Dublins second goal in the All Ireland final last year, still irks me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on June 11, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 11, 2019, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: Club boi on June 10, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.

Don't change the subject just answer the fcukin question...

Who did colm cavanagh mark in his conventional role as an orthodox midfielder.

To jump in on "In Hidings" (Hartes Cub) and "Angelos" love in -

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

I cant believe you actually tried to argue that winning the 2nd half the other night was a positive you clown. Harte 100% to blame for that shambles. Wouldnt blame a few players for walking after seeing some excuse of players both starting and coming on. That Mc Donnell lad cant fist pass to a man 10 yards away, got PH his black card (which was a trip by leading with his foot)

I repeat, this Tyrone team are hugely over rated. I dont think I ever saw Hampshey ever roasted as bad in my life either. Suppose Murphy was due 1 against him as Hampshey as regularly won that battle

If you think I'm hartes cub then you haven't read too many of my posts.
Was winning the second half a negative for you?

The 70+ minutes were all negative, 2nd best all over the park
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 11, 2019, 05:40:45 PM
Quote from: Club boi on June 11, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 11, 2019, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: Club boi on June 10, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
OK then. One final question..

Who was cavanagh marking in his battle in the middle of the pitch

If you look back at the first goal you can see Cavanagh chasing Paddy McGrath back from the Donegal 45. Now what sort of sweeper is up in the opponents half pressing the ball. What sort of sweeper is running up into the opponents 6 yard box?

A sweeper sits, he plays in front of the full back line. The problem today with Tyrone was they were all charging around like headless chickens after the ball.

Cavanagh was bombing forward all first half, if he was doing his job as a sweeper he doesn't do that. We didn't deploy a sweeper, it was clear as day and to say we did is cloud cuckoo stuff.

Thanks for answering my question

Sober up and have a look back at it as you seemed to have had a vivid imagination if you actually watched that game.

Don't change the subject just answer the fcukin question...

Who did colm cavanagh mark in his conventional role as an orthodox midfielder.

To jump in on "In Hidings" (Hartes Cub) and "Angelos" love in -

2nd half Tyrone took colm cavanagh off, pushed up on Donegal kickouts and won the second half by a score of 8 points to 5.

But sure you twist it whatever way you want

I cant believe you actually tried to argue that winning the 2nd half the other night was a positive you clown. Harte 100% to blame for that shambles. Wouldnt blame a few players for walking after seeing some excuse of players both starting and coming on. That Mc Donnell lad cant fist pass to a man 10 yards away, got PH his black card (which was a trip by leading with his foot)

I repeat, this Tyrone team are hugely over rated. I dont think I ever saw Hampshey ever roasted as bad in my life either. Suppose Murphy was due 1 against him as Hampshey as regularly won that battle

If you think I'm hartes cub then you haven't read too many of my posts.
Was winning the second half a negative for you?

The 70+ minutes were all negative, 2nd best all over the park
Why does nobody on here answer the questions they are asked.
Worse than feckin politicans
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on June 11, 2019, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 09:32:52 AM
Cavanagh needs to be deployed in the area he has excelled in over the last few years. I don't thing he has the legs to be going from box to box for 70 minutes and Tyrone badly need him protecting a weak defence.

I think Burns, McDonnell, McKernan and McCann (going to be suspended anyway) would be 4 players I'd definitely be dropping after that performance.

Anyone know if Meyler is injured. I'd struggle to comprehend how he couldn't make our matchday 26 if fit.

Meyler done his quad the week of the Derry game (5 weeks ago). Would expect there is a good chance he will be back for Longford.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 11:55:53 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on June 11, 2019, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 09:32:52 AM
Cavanagh needs to be deployed in the area he has excelled in over the last few years. I don't thing he has the legs to be going from box to box for 70 minutes and Tyrone badly need him protecting a weak defence.

I think Burns, McDonnell, McKernan and McCann (going to be suspended anyway) would be 4 players I'd definitely be dropping after that performance.

Anyone know if Meyler is injured. I'd struggle to comprehend how he couldn't make our matchday 26 if fit.

Meyler done his quad the week of the Derry game (5 weeks ago). Would expect there is a good chance he will be back for Longford.

That's fair enough

Providing we have more or less a full contingent for Longford I would go along the lines of:

1. Morgan
2. Hampsey
3. McNamee
4. HP McGeary
5. Cassidy
6. Brennan
7. Meyler
8. Cavanagh
9. Kennedy
10. R Donnelly
11. Harte
12. K McGeary
13. McCurry
14. McShane
15. M Donnelly

I'd give Kennedy another go but I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Grugan in though I was disappointed with his impact against Antrim. I wouldn't be HP McGeary's biggest fan but I think either he or McCrory will give the defence a little more focus on what they are actually there to do. Cavanagh should revert back to his usual sweeping role. I'd like to see McGeary sitting deep around the centre half back position as he is the best tackler by a mile in the squad - he seems to be about the only player who knows how to get his body in the way legally that we have.

I thought McCurry looked sharp and hungry off the bench and took some nice scores and we need more finishers in the team, we've lost a few recently and the options on the bench are not good in this regard. McShane is a huge plus from last year, we finally seem to have a guy who can win it any which way and despite a frustrating day the last day, both Marty Clarke and Oisin McConville were both waxing lyrical about how good his movement is.

I'd try and keep Mattie as far up the pitch as possible as he can be so frustrating in how he slows the play up from deep at times. I'd try and play Harte a bit deeper as he adds more urgency to the play than Donnelly does and Donnelly is probably a better ball winner up top.

The Longford game really has to be about finding our defensive shape and stability again, the three Championship games so far we have been caught out time and time again and if we fix this for the Longford game, any shock will be off the cards - we don't and who knows what might happen.

I also hope the absolute mess that we were on both our own kickouts and even moreso the oppositions is rectified. Has we any sort of presence on the Donegal kickouts last week we could still have turned around that game despite how big of a mess we were and how badly some of key men performed.

There's a lot of knee jerk reaction on here, with good reason after that shambles and it's well within our capability to turn it around and hopefully if the qualifier draw is kind (avoiding Mayo and Monaghan) we will be back in the Super 8s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on June 12, 2019, 05:16:44 AM
Dont think your too far away there

I dunno about Kennedy tho, he's got potential for sure but I think the lad needs a gentler introduction than he has had, which is actually why a start against Longford could be beneficial for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Tyrone players went on some rip in Monaghan on Saturday night!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 12, 2019, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Tyrone players went on some rip in Monaghan on Saturday night!

And what??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on June 12, 2019, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 12, 2019, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Tyrone players went on some rip in Monaghan on Saturday night!

And what??

Don't see anything wrong with that after a match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Tyrone players went on some rip in Monaghan on Saturday night!

Maybe that is what they needed.....

Hampsey has a back problem(pelvis) that needs a op....That would maybe explain his form....never trained last week due to this problem....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 11:13:33 AM
Didn't say there was anything wrong with it. Just they had been told by harte before the game that they weren't allowed to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 12, 2019, 11:32:36 AM
A night out is known as team bonding good to see that they enjoyed themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 12, 2019, 11:41:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 11:13:33 AM
Didn't say there was anything wrong with it. Just they had been told by harte before the game that they weren't allowed to.

Bull shit, Harte doesn't call drink bans and that's a fact!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
They must have been out on Friday night too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 12, 2019, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
They must have been out on Friday night too.

;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on June 12, 2019, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Tyrone players went on some rip in Monaghan on Saturday night!

Maybe that is what they needed.....

Hampsey has a back problem(pelvis) that needs a op....That would maybe explain his form....never trained last week due to this problem....

Heard he was injured and shouldnt have been playing. I withdraw my roasting comment from a page back. Would that of been Hartes call or himselfs??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 12, 2019, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Club boi on June 12, 2019, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Tyrone players went on some rip in Monaghan on Saturday night!

Maybe that is what they needed.....

Hampsey has a back problem(pelvis) that needs a op....That would maybe explain his form....never trained last week due to this problem....

Heard he was injured and shouldnt have been playing. I withdraw my roasting comment from a page back. Would that of been Hartes call or himselfs??


Winners like him would not admit that injury is as bad as it is...IMO...He would have done his upmost to convince management he was good to go...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on June 13, 2019, 12:06:05 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 12, 2019, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Club boi on June 12, 2019, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Tyrone players went on some rip in Monaghan on Saturday night!

Maybe that is what they needed.....

Hampsey has a back problem(pelvis) that needs a op....That would maybe explain his form....never trained last week due to this problem....



Heard he was injured and shouldnt have been playing. I withdraw my roasting comment from a page back. Would that of been Hartes call or himselfs??


Winners like him would not admit that injury is as bad as it is...IMO...He would have done his upmost to convince management he was good to go...

without knowing the exact details of the injury but imo if this is the case it shows the whole set up is nowhere near a professional as it is being made out - take the decision out of his hands, get him the op now before more damage is done playing hurt and then running into the club season and either not fit to play for them or doing more damage having to play. He is vital long-term get him sorted now and recovered right, next man up - shit happens move on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
Interesting to see five teachers on the Tyrone panel running a 2 day 'tyrone summer school' in garvaghy at 50 quid a head.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on June 13, 2019, 11:15:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
Interesting to see five teachers on the Tyrone panel running a 2 day 'tyrone summer school' in garvaghy at 50 quid a head.

Fair play to them, a great idea.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 13, 2019, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
Interesting to see five teachers on the Tyrone panel running a 2 day 'tyrone summer school' in garvaghy at 50 quid a head.

Nothing to see here, make hay while the sun shines.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 13, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
Interesting to see five teachers on the Tyrone panel running a 2 day 'tyrone summer school' in garvaghy at 50 quid a head.

Fair play to them. No doubt u will try and twist some negativity surrounding them because peter harte is among the 5.  I know a fair few teachers who take tutoring at £20 quid an hour. Looks like good value for 6 hours tutoring with 5 teachers and role models.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Does the money go to the county board?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 13, 2019, 12:17:50 PM
Why would the money be going to the county board? Nothing to do with them.

Great idea by the lads involved. They could be onto something with that idea.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 13, 2019, 12:23:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Does the money go to the county board?

Goes into Glencull parish, you ragin aye? :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 13, 2019, 01:31:16 PM
Poor STG, Not getting the reaction he was hoping for here.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 13, 2019, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: chieftain on June 13, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
Interesting to see five teachers on the Tyrone panel running a 2 day 'tyrone summer school' in garvaghy at 50 quid a head.

Fair play to them. No doubt u will try and twist some negativity surrounding them because peter harte is among the 5.  I know a fair few teachers who take tutoring at £20 quid an hour. Looks like good value for 6 hours tutoring with 5 teachers and role models.

Agreed. Do people expect these people to give up their time for nothing? £50 for 2 days childcare in a safe and fun environment is exceptionally good value. There are some proper narks in this county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandloo on June 13, 2019, 02:56:02 PM
+1. Some people need to catch themselves on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 03:07:30 PM
What kinda rent would you have to pay to get garvaghy for the 2 days? Just asking for someone involved with Tyrone ladies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 13, 2019, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 03:07:30 PM
What kinda rent would you have to pay to get garvaghy for the 2 days? Just asking for someone involved with Tyrone ladies.

;D ;D ;D ;D Your head is well and truely gone today sir. Id say the best place to ask this question for your friend would be to ring garvaghey or even call over, you might even see mickey harte there and he could give u his autograph  :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on June 13, 2019, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 03:07:30 PM
What kinda rent would you have to pay to get garvaghy for the 2 days? Just asking for someone involved with Tyrone ladies.

God you have been digging some amount to try and get a point on the board around this. Fair play to those involved. Fantastic occasion for all, and as a previous poster commented it'll be great to learn some skills and meet your idols.

Surely you'd have attended something similar with Tom Brewster and Raymond Gallagher back in the day?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 13, 2019, 03:32:50 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on June 13, 2019, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 03:07:30 PM
What kinda rent would you have to pay to get garvaghy for the 2 days? Just asking for someone involved with Tyrone ladies.

God you have been digging some amount to try and get a point on the board around this. Fair play to those involved. Fantastic occasion for all, and as a previous poster commented it'll be great to learn some skills and meet your idols.

Surely you'd have attended something similar with Tom Brewster and Raymond Gallagher back in the day?

Given the absolute scummy comment he has made previously on this thread I'm not surprised. Should have been banned for good after it. Only Good thing is that most people realise him for what he is now. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 05:43:26 PM
Quote from: chieftain on June 13, 2019, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 03:07:30 PM
What kinda rent would you have to pay to get garvaghy for the 2 days? Just asking for someone involved with Tyrone ladies.

;D ;D ;D ;D Your head is well and truely gone today sir. Id say the best place to ask this question for your friend would be to ring garvaghey or even call over, you might even see mickey harte there and he could give u his autograph  :o ;D ;D ;D
will do.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 07:56:00 PM
All jokin aside, hope the 5 lads make a nice bit of money for themselves.everyone else up in garvaghy seems to be lining their pockets these days so they may as well too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 13, 2019, 01:31:16 PM
Poor STG, Not getting the reaction he was hoping for here.  ;D
you reacted anyway fool.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 13, 2019, 09:48:01 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 13, 2019, 01:31:16 PM
Poor STG, Not getting the reaction he was hoping for here.  ;D
you reacted anyway fool.
Quite happy to call you a p***k anytime you want STG. Always a pleasure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 14, 2019, 08:35:49 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 13, 2019, 11:15:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
Interesting to see five teachers on the Tyrone panel running a 2 day 'tyrone summer school' in garvaghy at 50 quid a head.

Fair play to them, a great idea.

+1 Cracking idea. Kids love to look up to them and they'd get loads out of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 14, 2019, 10:18:11 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 13, 2019, 07:56:00 PM
All jokin aside, hope the 5 lads make a nice bit of money for themselves.everyone else up in garvaghy seems to be lining their pockets these days so they may as well too.

Who in Garvaghey is lining their pockets? Go on now...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 15, 2019, 10:47:31 PM
U20 Philly McGuinness Cup Final

Tyrone 1-23
Sligo 1-10

Tyrone: O Grimes, A Clarke, C Quinn, D McGuigan, C Grimes, A Fox, C Devlin; R Gormley, J Oguz; P Og McCartan, L Gray, M McKearney; T Quinn, S Og McAleer, C Gallagher.
Subs: O Mallon for T Quinn, C Munroe for Devlin, B McNulty for Oguz, M Murnaghan for McCartan, P Mullan for Clarke, E Jordan for Gray.

Scorers: S Og McAleer 1-06 (0-03 F), T Quinn 0-06 (0-01 F), P Og McCartan 0-03, J Oguz 0-02, C Gallagher, R Gormley, L Gray, M McKearney, E Jordan, M Murnaghan 0-01 Each.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on June 16, 2019, 09:38:02 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on June 15, 2019, 10:47:31 PM
U20 Philly McGuinness Cup Final

Tyrone 1-23
Sligo 1-10

Tyrone: O Grimes, A Clarke, C Quinn, D McGuigan, C Grimes, A Fox, C Devlin; R Gormley, J Oguz; P Og McCartan, L Gray, M McKearney; T Quinn, S Og McAleer, C Gallagher.
Subs: O Mallon for T Quinn, C Munroe for Devlin, B McNulty for Oguz, M Murnaghan for McCartan, P Mullan for Clarke, E Jordan for Gray.

Scorers: S Og McAleer 1-06 (0-03 F), T Quinn 0-06 (0-01 F), P Og McCartan 0-03, J Oguz 0-02, C Gallagher, R Gormley, L Gray, M McKearney, E Jordan, M Murnaghan 0-01 Each.

No Darragh Canavan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 17, 2019, 11:55:53 AM
Any advance on the rumours of players leaving the panel after the Donegal bating?

Will Harte step down if we don't reach the Super 8's? Is he deaf to the criticism?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 17, 2019, 12:36:02 PM
Heard yesterday that Darren mc curry had left the panel again but none of the Tyrone squad played for their clubs so doubt there is any defections yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 17, 2019, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 17, 2019, 11:55:53 AM
Any advance on the rumours of players leaving the panel after the Donegal bating?

Will Harte step down if we don't reach the Super 8's? Is he deaf to the criticism?
criticism? I haven't seen a newspaper or media outlet criticize him yet for the Donegal debacle. Tiarnan Mc cann has ensured harte dodged that bullet. And as far as Mickey stepping down, forget about it, the gravy train is in full flow and nobody is gettin off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 17, 2019, 01:26:07 PM
This time last year you lads were all hysterical after a slow start to the championship. A few months ago you were hysterical after a bad start to the league. Lets judge the championship on how it finishes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 17, 2019, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 17, 2019, 12:36:02 PM
Heard yesterday that Darren mc curry had left the panel again but none of the Tyrone squad played for their clubs so doubt there is any defections yet.

Wouldn't have thought so lad - he's probably one of the very few players to come out of the Donegal game with any kind of credit.

Now if he doesn't get a start v Longford....you might not be too far away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 17, 2019, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 17, 2019, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 17, 2019, 12:36:02 PM
Heard yesterday that Darren mc curry had left the panel again but none of the Tyrone squad played for their clubs so doubt there is any defections yet.

Wouldn't have thought so lad - he's probably one of the very few players to come out of the Donegal game with any kind of credit.

Now if he doesn't get a start v Longford....you might not be too far away.
heard it second hand from a Tyrone referee but don't believe it's true. Mc curry HAS to start against Longford and if he doesn't, like you say I wouldn't blame him for walking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on June 18, 2019, 07:56:39 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

Are you for real? These guys are amateurs who pretty much have to dedicate their entire week to training/travelling etc. If they wake up in the morning and decide "I dont want to do it anymore" for whatever reason that's their choice. "Supporters" do not get a say, its their decision
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 08:21:48 AM
Agreed as amateur players it's totally there choice whether to pull out or not. Though if you were the manager and boys pulled out in the middle of the championship you'd be questioning whether to pick them again going forward.

Tyrone are a county that generally play numerous championship games and with injuries/form a lot of changes be made over the summer and someone not getting game time early on can easily force their way onto the team later in the year as has been shown in the past. You'd think after doing all the hard work from last November boys would stick at it for the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on June 18, 2019, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 08:21:48 AM
Agreed as amateur players it's totally there choice whether to pull out or not. Though if you were the manager and boys pulled out in the middle of the championship you'd be questioning whether to pick them again going forward.

Tyrone are a county that generally play numerous championship games and with injuries/form a lot of changes be made over the summer and someone not getting game time early on can easily force their way onto the team later in the year as has been shown in the past. You'd think after doing all the hard work from last November boys would stick at it for the championship.

Totally agree but that's a separate issue in my book to what the original comment was. That's the managers call and they have to assess whether the reasons for the initial withdrawal have been addressed or if its likely to re-occur.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: TabClear on June 18, 2019, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 08:21:48 AM
Agreed as amateur players it's totally there choice whether to pull out or not. Though if you were the manager and boys pulled out in the middle of the championship you'd be questioning whether to pick them again going forward.

Tyrone are a county that generally play numerous championship games and with injuries/form a lot of changes be made over the summer and someone not getting game time early on can easily force their way onto the team later in the year as has been shown in the past. You'd think after doing all the hard work from last November boys would stick at it for the championship.

Totally agree but that's a separate issue in my book to what the original comment was. That's the managers call and they have to assess whether the reasons for the initial withdrawal have been addressed or if its likely to re-occur.
if boys are leaving, maybe the manager should question himself and not the player?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

It's a commitment and they've backed out of it in the middle of the season. It's not fair on the management team and it's not fair on their team mates. If they do it for personal reasons outside of football, it is understandable - if they do it because they're throwing a strop about not getting the minutes they feel they deserve then I think we are better off without.

I don't think Lee Brennan has done enough to start for Tyrone and he clearly didn't have the will to battle it out and earn his spot. Let's not forget that 10 months ago he started an All Ireland semi final.

If Brennan had opted out at the start of the year it would have opened up the door for another player to come in and fight for a place. I certainly wouldn't be rushing back to bring him in when he has left his team in the lurch midway through the season.

I'd be questioning the mentality of a lot of these Tyrone footballer - how many Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players drop off because they are not getting their place? There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there with current players who are unwilling to put in the work.

Guys like Hsmpsey, Cassidy, Burns and R Donnelly have had to bide their time to break into the Tyrone side but the patience and hard work paid off in the end.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:39:33 AM
Quote from: TabClear on June 18, 2019, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 08:21:48 AM
Agreed as amateur players it's totally there choice whether to pull out or not. Though if you were the manager and boys pulled out in the middle of the championship you'd be questioning whether to pick them again going forward.

Tyrone are a county that generally play numerous championship games and with injuries/form a lot of changes be made over the summer and someone not getting game time early on can easily force their way onto the team later in the year as has been shown in the past. You'd think after doing all the hard work from last November boys would stick at it for the championship.

Totally agree but that's a separate issue in my book to what the original comment was. That's the managers call and they have to assess whether the reasons for the initial withdrawal have been addressed or if its likely to re-occur.

At the end of the day you can only pick 15 players. In the modern day game you are never going to please all of Bradley, McCurry, O'Neill, McAliskey and Brennan. I don't think any of them have been blackguarded by Harte in the past - the form player has usually got the jersey.

And it's understandable that they can get frustrated when not being picked but leaving a panel in a strop at not getting minutes in the middle of the season, particularly when you haven't done enough to deserve them is not the right attitude.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

It's a commitment and they've backed out of it in the middle of the season. It's not fair on the management team and it's not fair on their team mates. If they do it for personal reasons outside of football, it is understandable - if they do it because they're throwing a strop about not getting the minutes they feel they deserve then I think we are better off without.

I don't think Lee Brennan has done enough to start for Tyrone and he clearly didn't have the will to battle it out and earn his spot. Let's not forget that 10 months ago he started an All Ireland semi final.

If Brennan had opted out at the start of the year it would have opened up the door for another player to come in and fight for a place. I certainly wouldn't be rushing back to bring him in when he has left his team in the lurch midway through the season.

I'd be questioning the mentality of a lot of these Tyrone footballer - how many Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players drop off because they are not getting their place? There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there with current players who are unwilling to put in the work.

Guys like Hsmpsey, Cassidy, Burns and R Donnelly have had to bide their time to break into the Tyrone side but the patience and hard work paid off in the end.

As a supporter it shows an incredible sense of entitlement that we cannot forgive a player who decides he has a better way of spending at least 25 hours a week than living the life of a super fit monk.
It is fine for management and team mates to be disappointed but for the likes of me and you to be critical of them is arrogant imo.


Unless of course you are more than just a supporter,...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

It's a commitment and they've backed out of it in the middle of the season. It's not fair on the management team and it's not fair on their team mates. If they do it for personal reasons outside of football, it is understandable - if they do it because they're throwing a strop about not getting the minutes they feel they deserve then I think we are better off without.

I don't think Lee Brennan has done enough to start for Tyrone and he clearly didn't have the will to battle it out and earn his spot. Let's not forget that 10 months ago he started an All Ireland semi final.

If Brennan had opted out at the start of the year it would have opened up the door for another player to come in and fight for a place. I certainly wouldn't be rushing back to bring him in when he has left his team in the lurch midway through the season.

I'd be questioning the mentality of a lot of these Tyrone footballer - how many Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players drop off because they are not getting their place? There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there with current players who are unwilling to put in the work.

Guys like Hsmpsey, Cassidy, Burns and R Donnelly have had to bide their time to break into the Tyrone side but the patience and hard work paid off in the end.

As a supporter it shows an incredible sense of entitlement that we cannot forgive a player who decides he has a better way of spending at least 25 hours a week than living the life of a super fit monk.
It is fine for management and team mates to be disappointed but for the likes of me and you to be critical of them is arrogant imo.


Unless of course you are more than just a supporter,...

It's their choice but at the start of year you make a commitment to the panel, walking out halfway through the year in a strop over playing time is petulant. I support the team and I think Brennan has let the team down in that regard.

Mugsy had a pop at him recently over it too. I think it's an attitude that would not be tolerated in the likes of Dublin, Kerry or Mayo at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 18, 2019, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

It's a commitment and they've backed out of it in the middle of the season. It's not fair on the management team and it's not fair on their team mates. If they do it for personal reasons outside of football, it is understandable - if they do it because they're throwing a strop about not getting the minutes they feel they deserve then I think we are better off without.

I don't think Lee Brennan has done enough to start for Tyrone and he clearly didn't have the will to battle it out and earn his spot. Let's not forget that 10 months ago he started an All Ireland semi final.

If Brennan had opted out at the start of the year it would have opened up the door for another player to come in and fight for a place. I certainly wouldn't be rushing back to bring him in when he has left his team in the lurch midway through the season.

I'd be questioning the mentality of a lot of these Tyrone footballer - how many Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players drop off because they are not getting their place? There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there with current players who are unwilling to put in the work.

Guys like Hsmpsey, Cassidy, Burns and R Donnelly have had to bide their time to break into the Tyrone side but the patience and hard work paid off in the end.

As a supporter it shows an incredible sense of entitlement that we cannot forgive a player who decides he has a better way of spending at least 25 hours a week than living the life of a super fit monk.
It is fine for management and team mates to be disappointed but for the likes of me and you to be critical of them is arrogant imo.


Unless of course you are more than just a supporter,...

It's their choice but at the start of year you make a commitment to the panel, walking out halfway through the year in a strop over playing time is petulant. I support the team and I think Brennan has let the team down in that regard.

Mugsy had a pop at him recently over it too. I think it's an attitude that would not be tolerated in the likes of Dublin, Kerry or Mayo at the minute.

Kerry might have dropped the ball actually on Cox with regards to something like this - I don't know the ins and outs, he's family in Roscommon but as far as I know he plays club football in Kerry still.

It does happen.

Few of the Dublin guys have dropped off to go to the states in recent years - winning all round you will make that non news though. They've even managed to somehow navigate the whole Diarmuid Connolly thing relatively scandal free.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on June 18, 2019, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: TabClear on June 18, 2019, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 08:21:48 AM
Agreed as amateur players it's totally there choice whether to pull out or not. Though if you were the manager and boys pulled out in the middle of the championship you'd be questioning whether to pick them again going forward.

Tyrone are a county that generally play numerous championship games and with injuries/form a lot of changes be made over the summer and someone not getting game time early on can easily force their way onto the team later in the year as has been shown in the past. You'd think after doing all the hard work from last November boys would stick at it for the championship.

Totally agree but that's a separate issue in my book to what the original comment was. That's the managers call and they have to assess whether the reasons for the initial withdrawal have been addressed or if its likely to re-occur.
if boys are leaving, maybe the manager should question himself and not the player?

Manager could potentially be one reason. Much more likely would be work/family commitments, studying, travelling, club committments, fitness/burnout/ injury etc. I suspect none of those reasons would fit your agenda as well though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 18, 2019, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

It's a commitment and they've backed out of it in the middle of the season. It's not fair on the management team and it's not fair on their team mates. If they do it for personal reasons outside of football, it is understandable - if they do it because they're throwing a strop about not getting the minutes they feel they deserve then I think we are better off without.

I don't think Lee Brennan has done enough to start for Tyrone and he clearly didn't have the will to battle it out and earn his spot. Let's not forget that 10 months ago he started an All Ireland semi final.

If Brennan had opted out at the start of the year it would have opened up the door for another player to come in and fight for a place. I certainly wouldn't be rushing back to bring him in when he has left his team in the lurch midway through the season.

I'd be questioning the mentality of a lot of these Tyrone footballer - how many Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players drop off because they are not getting their place? There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there with current players who are unwilling to put in the work.

Guys like Hsmpsey, Cassidy, Burns and R Donnelly have had to bide their time to break into the Tyrone side but the patience and hard work paid off in the end.

As a supporter it shows an incredible sense of entitlement that we cannot forgive a player who decides he has a better way of spending at least 25 hours a week than living the life of a super fit monk.
It is fine for management and team mates to be disappointed but for the likes of me and you to be critical of them is arrogant imo.


Unless of course you are more than just a supporter,...

It's their choice but at the start of year you make a commitment to the panel, walking out halfway through the year in a strop over playing time is petulant. I support the team and I think Brennan has let the team down in that regard.

Mugsy had a pop at him recently over it too. I think it's an attitude that would not be tolerated in the likes of Dublin, Kerry or Mayo at the minute.

Kerry might have dropped the ball actually on Cox with regards to something like this - I don't know the ins and outs, he's family in Roscommon but as far as I know he plays club football in Kerry still.

It does happen.

Few of the Dublin guys have dropped off to go to the states in recent years - winning all round you will make that non news though. They've even managed to somehow navigate the whole Diarmuid Connolly thing relatively scandal free.

What Dublin, Mayo or Kerry players who started All Ireland semi finals the preceding season have dropped off the panel midway through the next season due to losing their place?

We all know the media are petrified to go against Jim Gavin. I don't think he has managed it all that well, there is a big financially backed PR machine around Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Tell me why Brennan should be starting? We went in to the Donegal game on an impressive run of form. We had won six on the trot over League and Championship. Donnelly and McShane were flying inside and McCurry and McAliskey had impressed off the bench.

He had no real basis for deserving to play. He had the choice to stick it out, bide his time and take his opportunity when it came or throw the towel in. He chose the latter.

After a car crash performance against Donegal there is certain to be changes against Longford and opportunities can arise but he is no longer there to avail of those, by his own choosing.

I can understand his frustration at not playing but that's a decision for next year. He made s commitment to the panel this year and opted out.

I'd like a situation whereby players who aren't getting their minutes with the county teams are freed to play for their clubs but we all know it's the clubs who make a song and dance about access who will kick up a fuss about that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Tell me why Brennan should be starting? We went in to the Donegal game on an impressive run of form. We had won six on the trot over League and Championship. Donnelly and McShane were flying inside and McCurry and McAliskey had impressed off the bench.

He had no real basis for deserving to play. He had the choice to stick it out, bide his time and take his opportunity when it came or throw the towel in. He chose the latter.

After a car crash performance against Donegal there is certain to be changes against Longford and opportunities can arise but he is no longer there to avail of those, by his own choosing.

I can understand his frustration at not playing but that's a decision for next year. He made s commitment to the panel this year and opted out.

I'd like a situation whereby players who aren't getting their minutes with the county teams are freed to play for their clubs but we all know it's the clubs who make a song and dance about access who will kick up a fuss about that.

So according to you..

Its the players fault for not committing all their spare time for your pleasure

It's the clubs fault for wanting access to their players who aren't getting on the county team.

I'm sure you will post a reply to this which will have no relevance to what I have just posted
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Tell me why Brennan should be starting? We went in to the Donegal game on an impressive run of form. We had won six on the trot over League and Championship. Donnelly and McShane were flying inside and McCurry and McAliskey had impressed off the bench.

He had no real basis for deserving to play. He had the choice to stick it out, bide his time and take his opportunity when it came or throw the towel in. He chose the latter.

After a car crash performance against Donegal there is certain to be changes against Longford and opportunities can arise but he is no longer there to avail of those, by his own choosing.

I can understand his frustration at not playing but that's a decision for next year. He made s commitment to the panel this year and opted out.

I'd like a situation whereby players who aren't getting their minutes with the county teams are freed to play for their clubs but we all know it's the clubs who make a song and dance about access who will kick up a fuss about that.

I dont think Lee should start every game but he should have been given a run out towards  the end of a few games to get a chance of showing his worth. The Antrim game was the perfect opportunity to give a few players a run out.

Tell me this would you train 4 nights a week in all sorts of weather, give up your free time, not able to go on holidays or to drink for most of the year to sit on a bench and watch your team mates play?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 11:23:16 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Tell me why Brennan should be starting? We went in to the Donegal game on an impressive run of form. We had won six on the trot over League and Championship. Donnelly and McShane were flying inside and McCurry and McAliskey had impressed off the bench.

He had no real basis for deserving to play. He had the choice to stick it out, bide his time and take his opportunity when it came or throw the towel in. He chose the latter.

After a car crash performance against Donegal there is certain to be changes against Longford and opportunities can arise but he is no longer there to avail of those, by his own choosing.

I can understand his frustration at not playing but that's a decision for next year. He made s commitment to the panel this year and opted out.

I'd like a situation whereby players who aren't getting their minutes with the county teams are freed to play for their clubs but we all know it's the clubs who make a song and dance about access who will kick up a fuss about that.

So according to you..

Its the players fault for not committing all their spare time for your pleasure

It's the clubs fault for wanting access to their players who aren't getting on the county team.

I'm sure you will post a reply to this which will have no relevance to what I have just posted

You're not bright so it's understandable you can't get it.

Brennan can do what he wants but he made a commitment by joining up with the panel this year. He left the team in a lurch because he wasn't getting the minutes he felt he deserved.

I'd be happy if our fringe players who could keep sharp by playing with their clubs but it's not going to happen. The clubs will object to Lee Brennan being allowed play while their own club players can't. We're veering into very dangerous circumstances in Tyrone right now and risk becoming the new Derry.

It's got nothing to do with me. If Lee Brennan decides that he doesn't want to commit, that is his choice. I have no qualms if he can't give the commitment but it seems that it's more having to earn his place that has driven him out. The time to decide was at the start of the year or at the end.

If everyone had the attitude of Brennan we wouldn't have a squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Tell me why Brennan should be starting? We went in to the Donegal game on an impressive run of form. We had won six on the trot over League and Championship. Donnelly and McShane were flying inside and McCurry and McAliskey had impressed off the bench.

He had no real basis for deserving to play. He had the choice to stick it out, bide his time and take his opportunity when it came or throw the towel in. He chose the latter.

After a car crash performance against Donegal there is certain to be changes against Longford and opportunities can arise but he is no longer there to avail of those, by his own choosing.

I can understand his frustration at not playing but that's a decision for next year. He made s commitment to the panel this year and opted out.

I'd like a situation whereby players who aren't getting their minutes with the county teams are freed to play for their clubs but we all know it's the clubs who make a song and dance about access who will kick up a fuss about that.

I dont think Lee should start every game but he should have been given a run out towards  the end of a few games to get a chance of showing his worth. The Antrim game was the perfect opportunity to give a few players a run out.

Tell me this would you train 4 nights a week in all sorts of weather, give up your free time, not able to go on holidays or to drink for most of the year to sit on a bench and watch your team mates play?

You can only make 6 subs. Brennan quit the panel before the Antrim game so it's pointless saying that was an opportunity. In the Derry game, Coney, McAliskey and McCurry got the chance. It's impossible to keep everyone happy but there seems to be a lot of egos around the Tyrone setup at the minute which isn't good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 18, 2019, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

It's a commitment and they've backed out of it in the middle of the season. It's not fair on the management team and it's not fair on their team mates. If they do it for personal reasons outside of football, it is understandable - if they do it because they're throwing a strop about not getting the minutes they feel they deserve then I think we are better off without.

I don't think Lee Brennan has done enough to start for Tyrone and he clearly didn't have the will to battle it out and earn his spot. Let's not forget that 10 months ago he started an All Ireland semi final.

If Brennan had opted out at the start of the year it would have opened up the door for another player to come in and fight for a place. I certainly wouldn't be rushing back to bring him in when he has left his team in the lurch midway through the season.

I'd be questioning the mentality of a lot of these Tyrone footballer - how many Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players drop off because they are not getting their place? There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there with current players who are unwilling to put in the work.

Guys like Hsmpsey, Cassidy, Burns and R Donnelly have had to bide their time to break into the Tyrone side but the patience and hard work paid off in the end.

Yeah it paid off for Cassidy sitting on the bench for the Donegal game after doing enuf to start
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 18, 2019, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 17, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
I don't really have time for lads quitting panels in the middle of the season, fair enough if there's personal circumstances there but if it's throwing a strop over not getting minutes then it's very hard to forgive.
You don't have any time for lads quitting panels mid season and you find it hard to forgive them !!!
Wtf.

Is it because you have invested so much time into supporting them.

Crazy stuff

It's a commitment and they've backed out of it in the middle of the season. It's not fair on the management team and it's not fair on their team mates. If they do it for personal reasons outside of football, it is understandable - if they do it because they're throwing a strop about not getting the minutes they feel they deserve then I think we are better off without.

I don't think Lee Brennan has done enough to start for Tyrone and he clearly didn't have the will to battle it out and earn his spot. Let's not forget that 10 months ago he started an All Ireland semi final.

If Brennan had opted out at the start of the year it would have opened up the door for another player to come in and fight for a place. I certainly wouldn't be rushing back to bring him in when he has left his team in the lurch midway through the season.

I'd be questioning the mentality of a lot of these Tyrone footballer - how many Mayo, Dublin and Kerry players drop off because they are not getting their place? There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there with current players who are unwilling to put in the work.

Guys like Hsmpsey, Cassidy, Burns and R Donnelly have had to bide their time to break into the Tyrone side but the patience and hard work paid off in the end.

Yeah it paid off for Cassidy sitting on the bench for the Donegal game after doing enuf to start

It paid off for Cassidy as he has broken into the team. Harte got a number of calls badly wrong against Donegal but Cassidy is seeing plenty of minutes now and that's down to his patience and hard work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 02:18:58 PM
Now that IL bomber destro is back as Angelo, the big question remains, where the f**k is thebigdog?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on June 18, 2019, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 02:18:58 PM
Now that IL bomber destro is back as Angelo, the big question remains, where the f**k is thebigdog?

Waiting for you to log off lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on June 18, 2019, 02:36:11 PM
Happy birthday STG, hope you had a good one  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on June 18, 2019, 02:43:49 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 18, 2019, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 02:18:58 PM
Now that IL bomber destro is back as Angelo, the big question remains, where the f**k is thebigdog?

Waiting for you to log off lol.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 07:23:44 PM
Bring back the DOG!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 07:28:34 PM
I see Roisin Jordan has successfully settled her libel case against newstalk. Full apology included. A downright disgrace what happened to her. The mystery emailer could not be traced by solicitors so I doubt she will receive any apologys from within Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 08:20:24 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 18, 2019, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 02:18:58 PM
Now that IL bomber destro is back as Angelo, the big question remains, where the f**k is thebigdog?
The bigger question that actually remains is the one from a couple of months ago that you have failed to answer so far, that being do you reciprocate for your wife when she gives you the occasional rim job?  8)
man u need help. Plenty of porn online without coming on here to get off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 19, 2019, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 11:23:16 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Tell me why Brennan should be starting? We went in to the Donegal game on an impressive run of form. We had won six on the trot over League and Championship. Donnelly and McShane were flying inside and McCurry and McAliskey had impressed off the bench.

He had no real basis for deserving to play. He had the choice to stick it out, bide his time and take his opportunity when it came or throw the towel in. He chose the latter.

After a car crash performance against Donegal there is certain to be changes against Longford and opportunities can arise but he is no longer there to avail of those, by his own choosing.

I can understand his frustration at not playing but that's a decision for next year. He made s commitment to the panel this year and opted out.

I'd like a situation whereby players who aren't getting their minutes with the county teams are freed to play for their clubs but we all know it's the clubs who make a song and dance about access who will kick up a fuss about that.

So according to you..

Its the players fault for not committing all their spare time for your pleasure

It's the clubs fault for wanting access to their players who aren't getting on the county team.

I'm sure you will post a reply to this which will have no relevance to what I have just posted

You're not bright so it's understandable you can't get it.

Brennan can do what he wants but he made a commitment by joining up with the panel this year. He left the team in a lurch because he wasn't getting the minutes he felt he deserved.

I'd be happy if our fringe players who could keep sharp by playing with their clubs but it's not going to happen. The clubs will object to Lee Brennan being allowed play while their own club players can't. We're veering into very dangerous circumstances in Tyrone right now and risk becoming the new Derry.

It's got nothing to do with me. If Lee Brennan decides that he doesn't want to commit, that is his choice. I have no qualms if he can't give the commitment but it seems that it's more having to earn his place that has driven him out. The time to decide was at the start of the year or at the end.

If everyone had the attitude of Brennan we wouldn't have a squad.
Pretty standard from yourself, when you haven't the intelligence to argue the point, attack the messenger rather than the message.
Now you tell us that you have no qualms with Lee Brennan not committing.
Do you ever make yourself dizzy?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 19, 2019, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 11:23:16 AM
Quote from: In hiding on June 18, 2019, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 18, 2019, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Tell me why Brennan should be starting? We went in to the Donegal game on an impressive run of form. We had won six on the trot over League and Championship. Donnelly and McShane were flying inside and McCurry and McAliskey had impressed off the bench.

He had no real basis for deserving to play. He had the choice to stick it out, bide his time and take his opportunity when it came or throw the towel in. He chose the latter.

After a car crash performance against Donegal there is certain to be changes against Longford and opportunities can arise but he is no longer there to avail of those, by his own choosing.

I can understand his frustration at not playing but that's a decision for next year. He made s commitment to the panel this year and opted out.

I'd like a situation whereby players who aren't getting their minutes with the county teams are freed to play for their clubs but we all know it's the clubs who make a song and dance about access who will kick up a fuss about that.

So according to you..

Its the players fault for not committing all their spare time for your pleasure

It's the clubs fault for wanting access to their players who aren't getting on the county team.

I'm sure you will post a reply to this which will have no relevance to what I have just posted

You're not bright so it's understandable you can't get it.

Brennan can do what he wants but he made a commitment by joining up with the panel this year. He left the team in a lurch because he wasn't getting the minutes he felt he deserved.

I'd be happy if our fringe players who could keep sharp by playing with their clubs but it's not going to happen. The clubs will object to Lee Brennan being allowed play while their own club players can't. We're veering into very dangerous circumstances in Tyrone right now and risk becoming the new Derry.

It's got nothing to do with me. If Lee Brennan decides that he doesn't want to commit, that is his choice. I have no qualms if he can't give the commitment but it seems that it's more having to earn his place that has driven him out. The time to decide was at the start of the year or at the end.

If everyone had the attitude of Brennan we wouldn't have a squad.
Pretty standard from yourself, when you haven't the intelligence to argue the point, attack the messenger rather than the message.
Now you tell us that you have no qualms with Lee Brennan not committing.
Do you ever make yourself dizzy?

Point proven, you're not very bright.

I have no problems with players not committing to Tyrone if they find it too much.

I do have a problem with a player giving his commitment for the year then pulling out midway through it because he wasn't happy with the minutes he was getting.

You make a commitment for the season, the decision needs to be made at the start of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

To play club challenge games? They are hardly going to do much for your sharpness. I always found training matches more beneficial that challenge games. Nevermind that the training matches Brennan would play with Tyrone would be at an even higher level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 19, 2019, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

Yeah im sure its every young lads dream to play a few top level club challenge games rather than potentially starting an AI semi final like Lee did last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 19, 2019, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

Yeah im sure its every young lads dream to play a few top level club challenge games rather than potentially starting an AI semi final like Lee did last year.

Maybe he'd rather play for his club than Tyrone, fair play to him, its his choice and no one could run him down for that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

To play club challenge games? They are hardly going to do much for your sharpness. I always found training matches more beneficial that challenge games. Nevermind that the training matches Brennan would play with Tyrone would be at an even higher level.

Well that's you opinion, maybe the teams you where playing against wernt up to much, personally I think a competitive challenge games would be more beneficial and im sure every manager in tyrone agree otherwise they wudnt play them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

To play club challenge games? They are hardly going to do much for your sharpness. I always found training matches more beneficial that challenge games. Nevermind that the training matches Brennan would play with Tyrone would be at an even higher level.

Well that's you opinion, maybe the teams you where playing against wernt up to much, personally I think a competitive challenge games would be more beneficial and im sure every manager in tyrone agree otherwise they wudnt play them

Challenge matches are non competitive games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 20, 2019, 09:27:09 AM
...Anyway.

Any danger of Tyrone bottling this thing at the weekend v Longford?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 20, 2019, 09:39:38 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 20, 2019, 09:27:09 AM
...Anyway.

Any danger of Tyrone bottling this thing at the weekend v Longford?

I would hope Tyrone come out with all guns blazing and be well ahead at half time. Not sure if this will happen or not. I believe it is important to have a comprehensive win in order to get the Donegal game out of their system and to install a bit of belief back in the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 20, 2019, 11:31:47 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 20, 2019, 09:23:20 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 08:20:24 PM
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Quote from: southtyronegael on June 18, 2019, 02:18:58 PM
Now that IL bomber destro is back as Angelo, the big question remains, where the f**k is thebigdog?
The bigger question that actually remains is the one from a couple of months ago that you have failed to answer so far, that being do you reciprocate for your wife when she gives you the occasional rim job?  8)
man u need help. Plenty of porn online without coming on here to get off.
It wasn't me boasting on this thread that I got rim jobs from my wife.  ;D ;D
She is aware of you posting that on the internets for all to see, does she?

Me thinks that you protest too much, but I'll keep asking the question to you, when appropriate, until you give a definitive answer.  ;)
my original comment regarding rimming was tongue in cheek. No pun intended.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on June 20, 2019, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 20, 2019, 09:27:09 AM
...Anyway.

Any danger of Tyrone bottling this thing at the weekend v Longford?

yes i think it could happen, but if we get past this game I think we will be OK for the Super 8's.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 20, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

To play club challenge games? They are hardly going to do much for your sharpness. I always found training matches more beneficial that challenge games. Nevermind that the training matches Brennan would play with Tyrone would be at an even higher level.

Well that's you opinion, maybe the teams you where playing against wernt up to much, personally I think a competitive challenge games would be more beneficial and im sure every manager in tyrone agree otherwise they wudnt play them

Challenge matches are non competitive games.

Your wrong there!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 20, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 20, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

To play club challenge games? They are hardly going to do much for your sharpness. I always found training matches more beneficial that challenge games. Nevermind that the training matches Brennan would play with Tyrone would be at an even higher level.

Well that's you opinion, maybe the teams you where playing against wernt up to much, personally I think a competitive challenge games would be more beneficial and im sure every manager in tyrone agree otherwise they wudnt play them

Challenge matches are non competitive games.

Your wrong there!!

What competition are they a part of?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 20, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 20, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 20, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

To play club challenge games? They are hardly going to do much for your sharpness. I always found training matches more beneficial that challenge games. Nevermind that the training matches Brennan would play with Tyrone would be at an even higher level.

Well that's you opinion, maybe the teams you where playing against wernt up to much, personally I think a competitive challenge games would be more beneficial and im sure every manager in tyrone agree otherwise they wudnt play them

Challenge matches are non competitive games.

Your wrong there!!

What competition are they a part of?

zzz
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 20, 2019, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 20, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 20, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 20, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

To play club challenge games? They are hardly going to do much for your sharpness. I always found training matches more beneficial that challenge games. Nevermind that the training matches Brennan would play with Tyrone would be at an even higher level.

Well that's you opinion, maybe the teams you where playing against wernt up to much, personally I think a competitive challenge games would be more beneficial and im sure every manager in tyrone agree otherwise they wudnt play them

Challenge matches are non competitive games.

Your wrong there!!

What competition are they a part of?

zzz

Insightful contribution as always. You've gained quite the obsession with me since you imagined Colm Cavanagh being deployed as a sweeper against Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 20, 2019, 03:15:17 PM
What's the team for this weekend?
Will Lee Brennan start? Is Ronan O'Neill going to be a surprise inclusion? Will Mark Bradley be involved?

He should definitely drop Michael Cassidy again, as he's been playing too well and maybe close to nailing down a definite starting birth. We don't want him to become too confident.

Niall Sludden is another who should probably be frozen out completely as he had a great year last year and now needs all his confidence stripped away. A handy outing against Longford is not what he needs to regain some form.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 20, 2019, 04:01:28 PM
Is Ronan back?.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 20, 2019, 04:52:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 20, 2019, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on June 20, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 20, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 20, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 19, 2019, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on June 19, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 18, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 18, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
I would probably see it from the players point of view. How is sitting on the bench going to improve you as a player when you cant get on for your county and you are not allowed to play for your club.

Forwards especially strive on confidence, but bringing on a forward at say the 50 minute mark who hasn't played much football all season and expecting him to turn the game around is naive at best. Why would a talented player like Lee waste a full year to sit on the tyrone bench when he could be playing for his club every week and getting sharper with each game.

The issue is that Mickey has chopped and changed and neglected the forwards for far too long. Wouldn't listen to Owen talking about staying to fight for a place when him Peter and Steve were guaranteed game time every game. Tyrone need to pick a system and stick with it so players know where they stand.

This does not happen in Mayo, Kerry or Dublin for the simple reason these teams know their system of play inside out and players know they will get a chance. Whereas in Tyrone a forward does not know if they will be playing attacking football one week or 15 men behind the ball the next.

Brennan did really well coming of the bench against Donegal last year under similar circumstances. He will get some extra game time over the summer with his club but a lot of weeks there won't be any games.

You still play 2/3's of the league games plus playoffs plus championship while on the county panel so its not like you get no club football. And he did get game time for Tyrone early in the year and would no doubt have got more over the summer. Training games and skills work would also be a level well above club training over the summer which can be fragmented with breaks and holidays.

Id imagine like most top club teams in Tyrone Trillick will have a host of top drawer challenge games against some of the top teams from other Countys, Brennan could be getting an extra 10 games for his club (5 starred and say for example 5 challenge games) which is far more beneficial to a panel member on the Tyrone team who was getting at most 20 mins in total for a summers County football

To play club challenge games? They are hardly going to do much for your sharpness. I always found training matches more beneficial that challenge games. Nevermind that the training matches Brennan would play with Tyrone would be at an even higher level.

Well that's you opinion, maybe the teams you where playing against wernt up to much, personally I think a competitive challenge games would be more beneficial and im sure every manager in tyrone agree otherwise they wudnt play them

Challenge matches are non competitive games.

Your wrong there!!

What competition are they a part of?

zzz

Insightful contribution as always. You've gained quite the obsession with me since you imagined Colm Cavanagh being deployed as a sweeper against Donegal.

Nah I just don't understand why you stopped being bomber
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 20, 2019, 10:01:30 PM
Eugene McConnell @TyroneGAALive PRO has confirmed that the Tyrone team to play @LongfordGAA will not be named until Saturday at the earliest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: irish345 on June 20, 2019, 10:07:47 PM
Does anyone think playing a game at 7.30pm on a sunday night  a bad thing no matter what the age group or gender


Does gaa host many club games on saturday evenings
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 20, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on June 20, 2019, 10:01:30 PM
Eugene McConnell @TyroneGAALive PRO has confirmed that the Tyrone team to play @LongfordGAA will not be named until Saturday at the earliest.

Hardly any point naming a team tonight. Half of them would be dropped by Saturday anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2019, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: irish345 on June 20, 2019, 10:07:47 PM
Does anyone think playing a game at 7.30pm on a sunday night  a bad thing no matter what the age group or gender


Does gaa host many club games on saturday evenings

Yes, Sunday evening games are a load of bollox. Actually, Sunday games full stop are bollox. But....who are we simple players to question our time and lives.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 21, 2019, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2019, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: irish345 on June 20, 2019, 10:07:47 PM
Does anyone think playing a game at 7.30pm on a sunday night  a bad thing no matter what the age group or gender


Does gaa host many club games on saturday evenings

Yes, Sunday evening games are a load of bollox. Actually, Sunday games full stop are bollox. But....who are we simple players to question our time and lives.
Move them to Saturday afternoon and listen to the complaints about working men and clashes with soccer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2019, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 21, 2019, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2019, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: irish345 on June 20, 2019, 10:07:47 PM
Does anyone think playing a game at 7.30pm on a sunday night  a bad thing no matter what the age group or gender


Does gaa host many club games on saturday evenings

Yes, Sunday evening games are a load of bollox. Actually, Sunday games full stop are bollox. But....who are we simple players to question our time and lives.
Move them to Saturday afternoon and listen to the complaints about working men and clashes with soccer.

Family / Working Men fair enough. Rugby / Soccer.....life is full of choices lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 21, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Hampsey out for the season?? anybody here that or is it a rumour???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on June 21, 2019, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 21, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Hampsey out for the season?? anybody here that or is it a rumour???
I have heard it too. Very unfortunate if true.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 21, 2019, 12:48:25 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 21, 2019, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on June 21, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Hampsey out for the season?? anybody here that or is it a rumour???
I have heard it too. Very unfortunate if true.

Not at himself last few games....Hampsey of the last 2 years is some loss!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 21, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
If true Coalisland be the biggest losers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 21, 2019, 02:01:57 PM
Had heard he had a serious groin/hernia issue which was giving concern to the medical team. He hasn't really trained much on the pitch lately and it has showed in all honesty. Tommy Bowe had to retire due to this type of injury but hopefully Paudie is not near as bad as that. Bowe would have had more miles, wear and tear than Paudie so hopefully it can all be sorted out but unfortunately it looks like 2019 is finished for him if the word is correct.

Fianna won't be too happy about this at all - top of the league minus their county men - they will give Champo a real rattle this year again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2019, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 21, 2019, 02:01:57 PM
Had heard he had a serious groin/hernia issue which was giving concern to the medical team. He hasn't really trained much on the pitch lately and it has showed in all honesty. Tommy Bowe had to retire due to this type of injury but hopefully Paudie is not near as bad as that. Bowe would have had more miles, wear and tear than Paudie so hopefully it can all be sorted out but unfortunately it looks like 2019 is finished for him if the word is correct.

Fianna won't be too happy about this at all - top of the league minus their county men - they will give Champo a real rattle this year again.

They obviously have the resources to not worry too much about missing one man it would appear.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 21, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
Massive blow if true.

Realistically the Championship has only about 8/9 weeks at most to run so it is strange that he would have played on up until this point and then decided to have the surgery.

There have been plenty of rumours going around this season, we had McKernan dropping off the panel and heading to the states earlier on this year so I'd take it with a pinch of salt. I don't doubt he could be carrying a niggly injury that may require surgery but it would seem odd to only act on it at this point in the season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 21, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
Good win for the minors, first Ulster minor final since 2013.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 21, 2019, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
Good win for the minors, first Ulster minor final since 2013.
Who are the players would say that have the most potential at that level
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: irish345 on June 22, 2019, 12:35:10 AM
gaa should have a club ban for any game after 4pm on a sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: irish345 on June 22, 2019, 12:37:52 AM
might seem a stupid question but ive only just recently  getting into the gaa structure  at county level


question is does every club in tyrone have flood lights
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 22, 2019, 02:38:29 AM
Quote from: irish345 on June 22, 2019, 12:37:52 AM
might seem a stupid question but ive only just recently  getting into the gaa structure  at county level


question is does every club in tyrone have flood lights

The answer is no. Most Clubs (I think) might have lights now on a training field, but very few have match capable lights. Omagh, Greencastle, Stewartstown maybe are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head who've lights for matches. There are probably loads more but it's 2.30am and I am tired!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: irish345 on June 22, 2019, 04:09:45 AM
strabane have lights  maybe its just for training to tho
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 22, 2019, 04:52:01 PM
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 22, 2019, 06:43:23 PM
Tyrone into next round, but have we took a step forward, or a step back?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 22, 2019, 07:55:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 22, 2019, 06:43:23 PM
Tyrone into next round, but have we took a step forward, or a step back?

The victory looked to be convincing enough. Little bit of complacency in the dying moments saw Longford get 1-03 on the trot. I think we're still vulnerable now so hopefully the draw is kind on Monday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 22, 2019, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 22, 2019, 07:55:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 22, 2019, 06:43:23 PM
Tyrone into next round, but have we took a step forward, or a step back?

The victory looked to be convincing enough. Little bit of complacency in the dying moments saw Longford get 1-03 on the trot. I think we're still vulnerable now so hopefully the draw is kind on Monday.
I think we went back to the blanket though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 22, 2019, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 22, 2019, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 22, 2019, 07:55:32 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 22, 2019, 06:43:23 PM
Tyrone into next round, but have we took a step forward, or a step back?

The victory looked to be convincing enough. Little bit of complacency in the dying moments saw Longford get 1-03 on the trot. I think we're still vulnerable now so hopefully the draw is kind on Monday.
I think we went back to the blanket though

Good.

We need that blanket or we won't be going anywhere this year.

Still got 2-15 on the scoreboard and only for we had it home and hosed going down the straight I doubt we'd have conceded that late goal. Compared to the Antrim, Derry and Donegal games we didn't seem to cough up many goal chances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on June 22, 2019, 09:26:34 PM
Good win, always tough going to tight grounds and an ambush is on the cards. We done what we had to do.
Thought the lads looked in control throughout. Good to see McShane getting a few, if a bit lucky goals and I thought McClure slotted in well at late notice. Always liked him as a player would like to see him get more game time. Same for Kyle Coney.
No Hampsey so must be something to the injury rumours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on June 23, 2019, 08:01:03 AM
Very few positives to take from that game apart from morgan. The blanket has returned and big colm is looking back to his allstar running backwards best. Mcnamee roasted in the first 8 minutes and moved is an ongoing theme in the full backline. Longfords wastefulness and failure to play a sweeper, gave  tyrone a platform in the first half but this team is seriously undercooked. Midfield is non existant and if donnelly and harte are shut out then tyrone dont have a plan B. The only difference between tyrone and longford yesterday was the two goalkeepers.. Longfords gave up about 1-3 on kickout and morgan didnt. If longford had shaun patton or cluxton yesterday they probably might have won. Tyrone are a set up of diminishing returns.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 23, 2019, 10:45:35 AM
When Tyrone didn't have the ball cavanagh dropped back as sweeper. Most teams drop someone back there and cavanagh is excellent at it. I'm not sure what some of you want but we need cover back there.

Tyrone at times got everyone back but at other times left Mc Shane and McCurry up. I thought we where good in the first half hour. Tackled back well and worked scores well going forward. Disappointed with the second half as we seemed to drop the tempo.

Thought mcshane was excellent again as a target man. Though  sludden was poor again and he's been very lucky to get so much game time the last two years. Big draw tomorrow morning as there's big gap in quality of potential opponents. I do like the unpredictability and regular games of the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on June 23, 2019, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on June 23, 2019, 08:01:03 AM
Very few positives to take from that game apart from morgan. The blanket has returned and big colm is looking back to his allstar running backwards best. Mcnamee roasted in the first 8 minutes and moved is an ongoing theme in the full backline. Longfords wastefulness and failure to play a sweeper, gave  tyrone a platform in the first half but this team is seriously undercooked. Midfield is non existant and if donnelly and harte are shut out then tyrone dont have a plan B. The only difference between tyrone and longford yesterday was the two goalkeepers.. Longfords gave up about 1-3 on kickout and morgan didnt. If longford had shaun patton or cluxton yesterday they probably might have won. Tyrone are a set up of diminishing returns.

I'd say that's stretching it a bit to say Longford might have won - Tyrone were much the better team and the gap was 8 - 10 points for the majority of the game.

Only 2 of the Tyrone forwards scoring was a poor return against such a weak team. McShane won virtually every ball that was played his way and if he is a bit more direct he has the power to take on his man and be a real goal threat going forward. Peter Harte also played quite well - not sure what the balck was for - that's his 2nd this year so as long as he didn't get any in the league (or double yellow) he will be available the next day. Sludden poor again unfortunately and McCurry kicked a few bad wides off his left, McAliskey hardly touched the ball when he came on.
Thought Hugh Pat McGeary improved the full back line (must have been injured for the Donegal game?) and overall we looked more solid defensively albeit against a toothless Longford attack. We went zonal on kick outs which paid dividends a few times early on (against a poor goalie) but aerially Tyrone lost a lot of the 50/50 kickouts. I was hoping Tyrone would push on in the second half and win by 12 / 15 plus but their shot selection and shooting was awful. Mattie Donnelly appears to carrying an injury as well - his form has dipped massively from the league. Already lost Hampsey to injury so can not afford many more.

Mayo and Armagh would be the teams to avoid in the draw.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
Any word on the McGeary injury? Was he taken off as a precaution?

Was Richie Donnelly injured yesterday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 24, 2019, 09:03:56 AM
Newbridge or nowhere it is then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 24, 2019, 09:07:00 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 21, 2019, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
Good win for the minors, first Ulster minor final since 2013.
Who are the players would say that have the most potential at that level

Another Canavan on the horizon!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 24, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
Any word on the McGeary injury? Was he taken off as a precaution?

Was Richie Donnelly injured yesterday?

He collapsed in front of us. He just fainted apparently and has no memory of it at all.
Doctor decided at half time not to risk him so he was rested second half.
Did HP faint or something last year too?

No news on Richie. I think the "big" players are just coasting through games and saving themselves.
Also wonder is Mickey trying not to reveal their hand too soon. Donegal look very good and after the weekend most are saying they are best placed to challenge the Dubs but it's early days though a shock in Newbridge would soon end that talk. I can't see it though.
Thought the ref on Sat was terrible.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 24, 2019, 11:26:33 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
Any word on the McGeary injury? Was he taken off as a precaution?

Was Richie Donnelly injured yesterday?

Ritchie failed a fitness test before the game i believe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 24, 2019, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 24, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
Any word on the McGeary injury? Was he taken off as a precaution?

Was Richie Donnelly injured yesterday?

He collapsed in front of us. He just fainted apparently and has no memory of it at all.
Doctor decided at half time not to risk him so he was rested second half.
Did HP faint or something last year too?

No news on Richie. I think the "big" players are just coasting through games and saving themselves.
Also wonder is Mickey trying not to reveal their hand too soon. Donegal look very good and after the weekend most are saying they are best placed to challenge the Dubs but it's early days though a shock in Newbridge would soon end that talk. I can't see it though.
Thought the ref on Sat was terrible.

Jaysus fuzz he'd need to reveal his hand sooner rather than later if that's the plan.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Tyrone should get past Kildare alright, they seem to have a hold over them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on June 24, 2019, 11:57:31 AM
Given the forward line departures would there be a chance of Mark Bradley being called back in? Anyone know how has he been performing for Killyclogher?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: giveherlong on June 24, 2019, 01:05:41 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on June 24, 2019, 11:57:31 AM
Given the forward line departures would there be a chance of Mark Bradley being called back in? Anyone know how has he been performing for Killyclogher?

Sure isn't he away to America?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on June 24, 2019, 01:12:05 PM
Quote from: giveherlong on June 24, 2019, 01:05:41 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on June 24, 2019, 11:57:31 AM
Given the forward line departures would there be a chance of Mark Bradley being called back in? Anyone know how has he been performing for Killyclogher?

Sure isn't he away to America?

Played for Killyclogher weekend before last but you could be right
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 24, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
Yeah I've heard he's been coming back at weekends for Killyclogher games from the UK where he's studying this year but he's due to go to the US this summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2019, 03:58:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 24, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
Yeah I've heard he's been coming back at weekends for Killyclogher games from the UK where he's studying this year but he's due to go to the US this summer.

He comes home and plays, plane back Sunday evening. Away to states shortly, if not already with 4/5 other Killyclogher lads as per McIvor departure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on June 24, 2019, 06:55:40 PM
Did one of the high profile players go on holiday instead of going and supporting his teammates over the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 24, 2019, 09:14:43 PM
Bit of sun good for the tan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 24, 2019, 10:15:06 PM
The options off the bench on Sunday didn't really inspire too much. The big thing for Tyrone over the past 2/3 years was that we've had a bench with players who are as good as what started and it allowed us to finish games well. Between defections and injuries though that has hit us hard.

Is McCann suspended for the next game too, I heard talk that despite it being a two game ban he would have only been suspended for the Longford match which seems odd.

I'm worried about Kildare, it could have been worse in that we could have drawn Mayo and I'd probably have preferred Kildare to Armagh but they are a very physical, athletic team with some good players and on their day more than capable as they showed last year. We will be doing well to get through this.

Going by reports I've heard, McCurry seemed to disappoint on Sunday - it always seems to be 1 step forward and 2 back for him lately. He seems much more able to impact a game off the bench. Sludden apparently was quite poor too - who to bring in is the main question. I'd certainly be starting Meyler the next day probably for Sludden and is it time to throw Coney a start at 11? He hasn't really done much any time he has came on so far but he's not had an awful lot of minutes and the likes of Sludden has started a few now and been very subdued.

Ben McDonnell got two good points when he came in.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on June 24, 2019, 10:15:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 24, 2019, 09:14:43 PM
Bit of sun good for the tan.

What I want to know is was it booked before the donegal game and therefore was the whole thing planned  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 24, 2019, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on June 24, 2019, 10:15:55 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 24, 2019, 09:14:43 PM
Bit of sun good for the tan.

What I want to know is was it booked before the donegal game and therefore was the whole thing planned  ;)

With the guff he gets from the perpetually outraged anti-tyronies can you blame him for getting a week away?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleafgael on June 24, 2019, 11:32:35 PM
Few random points from Saturday's game.

Pearse Park is a great wee stadium.
McCurry proved again that he isn't the answer. Better option off the bench.
Was very surprised McGeary was allowed to finish the first half.
Cathal McShane has developed into as good a full forward as what's about at the minute.
Colm Cavanagh played as a pretty much full time sweeper. Maybe he needed the game but looked sluggish.
Tyrone are still stuck for a top class corner back and corner forward.
Peter Harte is an exceptional footballer. The criticism he receives is ridiculous.
Unless they improve dramatically as a team there won't be any super 8's this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on June 24, 2019, 06:55:40 PM
Did one of the high profile players go on holiday instead of going and supporting his teammates over the weekend?

That's a ridiculous complaint about a player that has been given a lot to Tyrone for 6/7 years. If the management team where ok with it he was well entitled to get a break when he wasn't available for the game. I know of it happening in recent years with an east Tyrone player and there wasn't a word of it on here. I actually cant believe someone would complain about this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on June 25, 2019, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on June 24, 2019, 06:55:40 PM
Did one of the high profile players go on holiday instead of going and supporting his teammates over the weekend?

That's a ridiculous complaint about a player that has been given a lot to Tyrone for 6/7 years. If the management team where ok with it he was well entitled to get a break when he wasn't available for the game. I know of it happening in recent years with an east Tyrone player and there wasn't a word of it on here. I actually cant believe someone would complain about this.

Where or when did I complain Terry?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 25, 2019, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on June 24, 2019, 06:55:40 PM
Did one of the high profile players go on holiday instead of going and supporting his teammates over the weekend?

That's a ridiculous complaint about a player that has been given a lot to Tyrone for 6/7 years. If the management team where ok with it he was well entitled to get a break when he wasn't available for the game. I know of it happening in recent years with an east Tyrone player and there wasn't a word of it on here. I actually cant believe someone would complain about this.

Nothing against him going at all, but Harte seems to have one rule for certain players and another rule for others.  A certain Tyrone forward had booked a trip to the Champions League final as he is a Spurs fan, everything paid for etc but MH told him he couldn't go even though he was only going to miss one training session.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 09:40:42 AM
I'm not sure it's a like for like scenario. McCann is injured and suspended so can't train or play. Was the champions league final not a week before an ulster semi final and the player in question likely to be involved in the game?

I'm not saying he was right not to let a player go in such a one off scenario but it is a dangerous precedent to allow players to be missing training in the middle of the championship for trips away. You will have other players looking to go on brothers/friends stag do's etc if you start it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on June 25, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
Lads i am struggling to see how Harte intends to win an all Ireland with this group. This kicking into McShane is not going to win it and playing like last year is not to either. If you take Petey and McShane out the game you can be sure Tyrone are going to struggle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on June 25, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 25, 2019, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on June 24, 2019, 06:55:40 PM
Did one of the high profile players go on holiday instead of going and supporting his teammates over the weekend?

That's a ridiculous complaint about a player that has been given a lot to Tyrone for 6/7 years. If the management team where ok with it he was well entitled to get a break when he wasn't available for the game. I know of it happening in recent years with an east Tyrone player and there wasn't a word of it on here. I actually cant believe someone would complain about this.



Nothing against him going at all, but Harte seems to have one rule for certain players and another rule for others.  A certain Tyrone forward had booked a trip to the Champions League final as he is a Spurs fan, everything paid for etc but MH told him he couldn't go even though he was only going to miss one training session.  Unbelievable.

A certain tyrone defender was also on the same boat as a Liverpool fan and wasted over £500. Maybe he now deserves to get away...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 25, 2019, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 25, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
Lads i am struggling to see how Harte intends to win an all Ireland with this group. This kicking into McShane is not going to win it and playing like last year is not to either. If you take Petey and McShane out the game you can be sure Tyrone are going to struggle.

Maybe we should just pack it in for the year then.....

We haven't set the world alight in the last couple of games but lets not write us off just yet. For my money the kicking into McShane has worked perfectly ever since he was moved in there. He's scored a bagful against everyone bar Donegal who double and sometimes treble marked him.

There's suddently a lot of doom and gloom after one brutal performance but if we get can get Petey, Mattie and Sludden played into a bit of form and get a bit more solid at the back it'll still take a damn good team to beat us.

That said, if Hampsey is out for the season it's a hammer blow
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 25, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on June 25, 2019, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on June 25, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
Lads i am struggling to see how Harte intends to win an all Ireland with this group. This kicking into McShane is not going to win it and playing like last year is not to either. If you take Petey and McShane out the game you can be sure Tyrone are going to struggle.

Maybe we should just pack it in for the year then.....

We haven't set the world alight in the last couple of games but lets not write us off just yet. For my money the kicking into McShane has worked perfectly ever since he was moved in there. He's scored a bagful against everyone bar Donegal who double and sometimes treble marked him.

There's suddently a lot of doom and gloom after one brutal performance but if we get can get Petey, Mattie and Sludden played into a bit of form and get a bit more solid at the back it'll still take a damn good team to beat us.

That said, if Hampsey is out for the season it's a hammer blow


All players named above plus a few more have room for improvement, one good win could spring board the thing into action, i could be wrong and i hope i am, the spark seems to missing at the minute for some reason, numbers at training are reported to be low the last few weeks with injuries etc.... moral in general around the county players and supporters alike is very low....need a good pick me up this week end by putting Kildare to the sword convincingly!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 25, 2019, 07:32:57 PM
While not a huge cause for concern yet, our squad has actually gone a little stale in terms of young players coming through.

It's primarily backed up from the 2008 and 2010 AI winning minor sides and 2015 AI u21 side. McShane and Burns played another year u21 after 2015 (Lee Brennan had two more).

Other than that though we only really have McKernan, McDonnell, Gallen, Kennedy, Mulgrew and Rafferty on the squad under the age of 24 now.

I think we could do with a big of a shakeup next year. There's a few guys on that panel right now who have been there a few years and just don't seem to have progressed or taken their chances when they have came their way.

I'm surprised Harte hasn't called up a few players since the league started. During that time we have lost the likes of O'Neill, Brennan and McCarron, released Canavan and Murnaghan to the u21s while Brendan Burns and Ronan McHugh are out for the season. David Mulgrew also looks unlikely to play this year. The squad seems a lot lighter than last year where we actually ended up adding Ruairi Sludden to it after the Monaghan game when Bradley and Brennan picked up injuries.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on June 25, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 25, 2019, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 25, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county

I'm beginning to think the same that the time might be right for a break but I think people overrate the talent in the county. We have some very good players but would we have a player you'd rank in the top 10-15 players in the country? Would we have a player who you'd say is the best in his position in the country?

We are a good side and over the past few years we have consistently been one of the top 4 sides in the country so I think Harte has got the most out of the team but if things are going stale then it might be time for a change.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 25, 2019, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 25, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 25, 2019, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 25, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

I think his record compared to Harte might suggest other wise. Even over the last 6/7 years with probably the strongest Monaghan team ever and one of if not the top forward in Ireland their record still isn't as good as Tyrone's. Both won two Ulster's but Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions compared to one for Monaghan. They also lost the 3 big knock out games in Croke park to Tyrone and in the first two where out smarted on the line.

Also i could only imagine the reaction by the likes of you if Tyrone lost championship games to the likes of Armagh, down, Fermanagh and Longford over a few years.

I don't want to be overly harsh on O'Rourke who is a good manager and a players man but there is lot of nonsense being talked when comparing him to Harte.

As stated previously now is the time to get behind the team not question management who got us to an Ireland final last year despite a poor start to the championship then too. My biggest concern isn't management but the loss of Bradley and Hampsey from last year and a weakened squad.

If Hampsey is gone I think we may have to drop mattie back to centre half to give a physical presence there but we're running out of forwards. Loughran another impact sub gone from last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 25, 2019, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 25, 2019, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 25, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

I think his record compared to Harte might suggest other wise. Even over the last 6/7 years with probably the strongest Monaghan team ever and one of if not the top forward in Ireland their record still isn't as good as Tyrone's. Both won two Ulster's but Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions compared to one for Monaghan. They also lost the 3 big knock out games in Croke park to Tyrone and in the first two where out smarted on the line.

Also i could only imagine the reaction by the likes of you if Tyrone lost championship games to the likes of Armagh, down, Fermanagh and Longford over a few years.

I don't want to be overly harsh on O'Rourke who is a good manager and a players man but there is lot of nonsense being talked when comparing him to Harte.

As stated previously now is the time to get behind the team not question management who got us to an Ireland final last year despite a poor start to the championship then too. My biggest concern isn't management but the loss of Bradley and Hampsey from last year and a weakened squad.

If Hampsey is gone I think we may have to drop mattie back to centre half to give a physical presence there but we're running out of forwards. Loughran another impact sub gone from last year.

What's the story with Loughran? Injured or walked?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 26, 2019, 08:34:40 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 25, 2019, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 25, 2019, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 25, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

I think his record compared to Harte might suggest other wise. Even over the last 6/7 years with probably the strongest Monaghan team ever and one of if not the top forward in Ireland their record still isn't as good as Tyrone's. Both won two Ulster's but Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions compared to one for Monaghan. They also lost the 3 big knock out games in Croke park to Tyrone and in the first two where out smarted on the line.

Also i could only imagine the reaction by the likes of you if Tyrone lost championship games to the likes of Armagh, down, Fermanagh and Longford over a few years.

I don't want to be overly harsh on O'Rourke who is a good manager and a players man but there is lot of nonsense being talked when comparing him to Harte.

As stated previously now is the time to get behind the team not question management who got us to an Ireland final last year despite a poor start to the championship then too. My biggest concern isn't management but the loss of Bradley and Hampsey from last year and a weakened squad.

If Hampsey is gone I think we may have to drop mattie back to centre half to give a physical presence there but we're running out of forwards. Loughran another impact sub gone from last year.

What's the story with Loughran? Injured or walked?

Injured for most of the year and still out. Popped up with a couple of important goals last year and was another option from the bench.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on June 26, 2019, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 25, 2019, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on June 25, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
I have always been a harte supporter but should mickey not take a look at malachy leaving with high praise and dignity and do the right thing. Year after year its the same issues. Its getting boring and must be feeding into the players. Someone else might not work but i think its worth the risk given the talent in the county
hartes only gonna do the right thing for himself, and that means stay in power and milk the thing for all it's worth. M o rourke is absolute gent and a top class manager. Harte couldn't lace his boots. I'd be proud to have a gent like that manage Tyrone.

I think his record compared to Harte might suggest other wise. Even over the last 6/7 years with probably the strongest Monaghan team ever and one of if not the top forward in Ireland their record still isn't as good as Tyrone's. Both won two Ulster's but Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions compared to one for Monaghan. They also lost the 3 big knock out games in Croke park to Tyrone and in the first two where out smarted on the line.

Also i could only imagine the reaction by the likes of you if Tyrone lost championship games to the likes of Armagh, down, Fermanagh and Longford over a few years.

I don't want to be overly harsh on O'Rourke who is a good manager and a players man but there is lot of nonsense being talked when comparing him to Harte.

As stated previously now is the time to get behind the team not question management who got us to an Ireland final last year despite a poor start to the championship then too. My biggest concern isn't management but the loss of Bradley and Hampsey from last year and a weakened squad.

If Hampsey is gone I think we may have to drop mattie back to centre half to give a physical presence there but we're running out of forwards. Loughran another impact sub gone from last year.

Id hardly think taking over a Div 3 team Monaghan team was the strongest team they ever had, He transformed them into the strongest teams they ever had..
Tyrone over the past 6/7 years have had a stronger team but Monaghan still managed to win 2 Ulsters..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 26, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
Mickey took over Tyrone when they were div 1 champions, big difference. Mickey has had a constant flow of all Ireland winning underage players to choose from yet o rourkes teams went toe to toe with us despite hardly an underage medal between them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 26, 2019, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 26, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
Mickey took over Tyrone when they were div 1 champions, big difference. Mickey has had a constant flow of all Ireland winning underage players to choose from yet o rourkes teams went toe to toe with us despite hardly an underage medal between them.

Mickey took over when Tyrone where division 1 champions and led them to 3 All Irelands, given we had won none I don't think we could ask for much more. We've had good minor teams since but we didn't win an ulster u21 from 2006 to 2015 which is a much better indicator of the players coming through. We won an All Ireland in 2015 and many of them players have already played at senior level and reached and an All Ireland final.

We very rarely lose matches to inferior teams since Harte took over which hasn't been the case for Monaghan (no one can argue Monaghan haven't better players than Longford, Fermanagh etc). O'Rourke would be a good appointment after Harte but he still has a lot to do to prove he's a better manager than Harte.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 26, 2019, 10:25:09 AM
Harte is no longer getting the best out of the players available to him and there's a school of thought that he isn't developing the younger players either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 26, 2019, 10:30:39 AM
Malachy O'Rourke has done a great job the past few years and is the one manager I would be keen to see take over the reigns.  Harte has had his time.  Agree on the youth development, is it a coincidence that the main players of the 04, 08 and 10 minor wins never got going with the senior team under Harte?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 26, 2019, 10:36:42 AM
Tyrone got to an All Ireland final last year and finished 3rd in division 1 of the league this year. The two years before that we won ulster titles. What exactly level are these players at that he's not getting the most out of them? If you compared the Tyrone team to Dublin who won the All Ireland last year it would be hard to make a case for us having better players.

Anyway enough crap talk about managers in the middle of the championship. This is a difficult game on Saturday, similar to last year at this stage we haven't reached near are top level of performance at this stage of the championship. Kildare will be up for it at home and showed against Mayo last year that they have a big performance in them. We need to improve on the last few games or we will be out come Saturday night. Like the league the players have the ability to go from a slow start and raise the levels considerably but now is the time they need to start doing it.

Harte said in the paper today that Hampsey isn't far away so maybe the rumours of him being out for the year are incorrect. If we'd a full team available I'd be going for something like this:

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
HP McGeary
Cassidy
Hampsey
McCann (obviously unavailable so it's a toss up between Sludden and Burns)
Cavanagh
R Donnelly
Meyler
K McGeary
Harte
McCurry
McShane
M Donnelly

Looking forward to the trip to Newbridge, the regular games against different opposition around the country can be very enjoyable (albeit costlier than a run in Ulster). A win here could bring the team on and give a bit of confidence of a run in the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 26, 2019, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 26, 2019, 10:30:39 AM
Malachy O'Rourke has done a great job the past few years and is the one manager I would be keen to see take over the reigns.  Harte has had his time.  Agree on the youth development, is it a coincidence that the main players of the 04, 08 and 10 minor wins never got going with the senior team under Harte?  I don't think so.

Is it a coincidence that those teams all failed at u21 level where the players struggled in which Harte had nothing to do with in the 3 years after minor level? And it's not as if none of them have made the step up - the likes of Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Sludden etc have gone on to win ulster titles and play in an all Ireland final last year. A number of the 2015 all Ireland winning players have also made the breakthrough.

I'm assuming them players making it was nothing to do with Harte but the players who didn't make it where down to him?

There's a huge gap from minor to senior and many many players from all counties don't make it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 26, 2019, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 26, 2019, 10:30:39 AM
Malachy O'Rourke has done a great job the past few years and is the one manager I would be keen to see take over the reigns.  Harte has had his time.  Agree on the youth development, is it a coincidence that the main players of the 04, 08 and 10 minor wins never got going with the senior team under Harte?  I don't think so.
Did any of those teams do it at u21?
The teams that did it u-21 are the teams that have backboned our most successful Senior teams, Danny Balls in 1995, Mickey Hartes in 2003,. 2005 & 2008 and Feargal Logans in 2019.

Don't disagree that a fresh voice and fresh eyes would do the world of good to freshen things up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 26, 2019, 10:15:12 PM
Stars could be aligning..... Tyrone don't make super 8s..... Mickey goes.... Orourke comes in?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 26, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
Quote from: WT4E on June 26, 2019, 10:15:12 PM
Stars could be aligning..... Tyrone don't make super 8s..... Mickey goes.... Orourke comes in?
sounds good. Prob more like, Tyrone don't make super 8s... Mickey won't go...o rourke goes elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 27, 2019, 12:18:35 AM
I don't believe the Tyrone GAA population  are ready to accept an outside manager if Micky was to go at the end of this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on June 27, 2019, 12:26:05 AM
MOR has lived in Tyrone for what most of his life.
Played for and managed Errigal.
Dont think you could really call him an outside manager

That is unless you mean that he hasn't managed county youth teams by way of an apprenticeship so he is an outside to the county setup?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on June 27, 2019, 06:46:51 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 27, 2019, 12:26:05 AM
MOR has lived in Tyrone for what most of his life.
Played for and managed Errigal.
Dont think you could really call him an outside manager

That is unless you mean that he hasn't managed county youth teams by way of an apprenticeship so he is an outside to the county setup?

He's not a Tyrone man !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on June 27, 2019, 08:57:48 AM
Neither was Red Donnelly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 27, 2019, 09:27:04 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 27, 2019, 06:46:51 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 27, 2019, 12:26:05 AM
MOR has lived in Tyrone for what most of his life.
Played for and managed Errigal.
Dont think you could really call him an outside manager

That is unless you mean that he hasn't managed county youth teams by way of an apprenticeship so he is an outside to the county setup?

He's not a Tyrone man !!!
hes not a Monaghan man either and he done them no harm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 27, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
Tyrone would be very foolish to not make tentative inquiries as to O'Rourke interest / intentions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 27, 2019, 12:41:46 PM
His Errigal background will surely give him an outside chance, Mickys list probably something like
1 Peter
2 Mark
3 Pascal
4 Tiffy
5 MOR
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 27, 2019, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 27, 2019, 12:41:46 PM
His Errigal background will surely give him an outside chance, Mickys list probably something like
1 Peter
2 Mark
3 Pascal
4 Tiffy
5 MOR

;D ;D

Can you imagine! It would be hilarious!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 27, 2019, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: WT4E on June 27, 2019, 01:39:36 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 27, 2019, 12:41:46 PM
His Errigal background will surely give him an outside chance, Mickys list probably something like
1 Peter
2 Mark
3 Pascal
4 Tiffy
5 MOR

;D ;D

Can you imagine! It would be hilarious!


It sure would!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 27, 2019, 04:54:21 PM
Are many of ye worried about losing this one lads?
It's hard to know where we're at as we seem to be coasting all year and Donegal showed us up how poor we can be.
The question is can we turn it on when we need to and is this the game that could be where we get caught out.
I am usually optimistic but I was worried going into the Donegal game and I'm the same for this one.
Too many of our usual big game players are not performing. Mattie and Sludden have been quiet all year.
Midfield was totally cleaned out against Donegal and whilst I want young Kennedy to do well, he just seems too young or inexperienced and not using his height and strength like you would hope he would.

McShane is the only one showing week in week out of a player on top  of his game and Cassidy has done quite well this year.
Coney has done nothing really though not getting much game time and Petey looks good in fits and starts but can't afford another black or red card.
I am certainly worried about this game this Sat and it would be a sad way to go out so early with many having their focus further down the season rather than on the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 27, 2019, 05:24:15 PM
I think if the attitude is right we should have enough to win this game. In 2018 we started the league very slowly and finished it well, the same come the championship. In 2019 we started the league very poorly and finished it excellently. We've then had a poor start to the championship. I don't know if it's the training that is causing the slow start to competitions or if it's down to mental sharpness.  A lot of the players have been involved for a number of seasons and perhaps they need the pressure of relegation or knockout football to deliver their best form. It is possibly a combination of both.

Last year we struggled through the first 3 rounds of the qualifiers. At this stage last year we were unconvincing in defeating Cavan in Enniskillen. It took until round 4 before the team laid down a bit of a marker. Going to Kildare is a tougher assignment that facing Cavan of last year so the team will have to be on their game to come out of this one. Injuries are a bit of a problem as well as the loss of Bradley and Brennan last year.

I do think we'll see some improvement this week. The team have shown when there backs are to the wall that they can dig out performances. Monaghan in the league was a perfect example after a terrible start to it. Kildare is another good championship venue to visit and hopefully we'll be back in the draw Monday morning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 27, 2019, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 27, 2019, 04:54:21 PM
Are many of ye worried about losing this one lads?
It's hard to know where we're at as we seem to be coasting all year and Donegal showed us up how poor we can be.
The question is can we turn it on when we need to and is this the game that could be where we get caught out.
I am usually optimistic but I was worried going into the Donegal game and I'm the same for this one.
Too many of our usual big game players are not performing. Mattie and Sludden have been quiet all year.
Midfield was totally cleaned out against Donegal and whilst I want young Kennedy to do well, he just seems too young or inexperienced and not using his height and strength like you would hope he would.

McShane is the only one showing week in week out of a player on top  of his game and Cassidy has done quite well this year.
Coney has done nothing really though not getting much game time and Petey looks good in fits and starts but can't afford another black or red card.
I am certainly worried about this game this Sat and it would be a sad way to go out so early with many having their focus further down the season rather than on the ball.

I'm worried. We looks to be deplorable on kickouts and don't seem to have any strategy in place either in our own ones are pressurising the opposition. This has to be a management failure as Morgan is a very accurate with his kickouts so if players are showing and getting in the right places he will hit them. I think the kickouts and how we fare from them will decide the game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 28, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Do we ever try those very long kickouts over the midfield so when teams push up on us to stop us taking a short ones, can Morgan kick them out to our wing half forwards and so put the other team under pressure.
Patton and Beggan seem to be very good at it.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 28, 2019, 02:23:48 PM
Just about to head south staying in the Capital tonight,will be some evening for a few pints.......not confident about the game mind you....no word a the team???We go in a hope that a Donegal last summer type of performance will spring board the team into a bit of sharpness and confidence....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 09:00:06 PM
Job comfortably done.

Tactics and attitude were right but Kildare were very poor. Our big players were very good - Harte, Cavanagh, Donnelly, McShane all had great games. Great to see McCurry in good form too.

Hope the injury to Cassidy isn't too bad, looked to be his ankle that was caught on the follow through.

Would hope to avoid Galway and Meath in the next round, that would put us in a group with Kerry and Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 29, 2019, 09:23:25 PM
I think I'd prefer Cavan or Cork in the draw. Better chance in my opinion of reaching a semi final  against either Kerry/ Donegal? Roscommon weakest of the provincial winners and get a free hit against the dubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 29, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

The lack of a recognised free taker on both sides has been a major downfall and will continue to be so. In the modern game, every free kick inside the 45 should be a score - at the minute we have no idea who is going to be taking the free never mind if he will score it. A shame considering the great free takers we have had historically from both left and right side. We should really stick with P Harte and McShane for this season anyway as there doesn't appear to be any better options.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Combsy on June 29, 2019, 11:55:22 PM
Good result from Tyrone. Plenty of good performances especially McShane and Harte. Matty Donnelly showed well too. Very good management also. Well done Mickey and team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on June 30, 2019, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: Combsy on June 29, 2019, 11:55:22 PM
Good result from Tyrone. Plenty of good performances especially McShane and Harte. Matty Donnelly showed well too. Very good management also. Well done Mickey and team.

Ok horse
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 30, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

Hit rate, stats, blah, blah, blah. If you can't score them, don't take them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 30, 2019, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

His kickouts are meant to be good - that is his main job. Every half decent keeper even at club level can hit kick-outs short or long to keep possession. That is a MUST for a county keeper. He shouldn't miss a few free kicks - how many does Dean Rock or Sean O'Shea miss?? They are the free kickers of our main competitor teams to contest the AI - Morgan doesn't even come close in comparison to those 2 - not even in the same conversation.......in saying that I would love it if he proves me wrong and we get AI number 4.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 01:59:00 PM
I meant remains one of the best goalkeepers in Ireland. In terms of his frees the range he hits them at means that he's going to miss his fair share. That's just the reality and people are kidding themselves if they think he should be getting 75% plus of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 30, 2019, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

His kickouts are meant to be good - that is his main job. Every half decent keeper even at club level can hit kick-outs short or long to keep possession. That is a MUST for a county keeper. He shouldn't miss a few free kicks - how many does Dean Rock or Sean O'Shea miss?? They are the free kickers of our main competitor teams to contest the AI - Morgan doesn't even come close in comparison to those 2 - not even in the same conversation.......in saying that I would love it if he proves me wrong and we get AI number 4.

Rock and O'Shea miss some from there too.

The difference between a keeper taking them and the likes of O'Connor, Murphy, O'Shea and Rock is that those lads will usually had a few 20 yards frees before in between and after the long range ones to convert and put the misses out of their mind.

I put up something a few months back on the main board on COC. It was a graph done on his free taking, his success rate dropped hugely from out around the 45 yard line, I'd imagine that is similar enough with even the best free takers.

I'd say 60% of frees being converted from that range is outstanding, if you 3/5 from those you'd be quite happy with that in a given game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on June 30, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

Hit rate, stats, blah, blah, blah. If you can't score them, don't take them.

What sort of statement is that?
Unless you are 100% of scoring, don't take on a shot then.

We'll stick with the 1-1 scoreline then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 10:06:08 PM
U20s seemed to make hard work of Down in the end, they were 10 or 11 points up at one stage but it was down to a point down the straight, came out 2 point victors in the end.

Murnaghan was not in the squad so must be injured.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 10:15:44 AM
What's the verdict on the draw? It could have been worse. Avoid Mayo, Galway, Donegal and Kerry until a potential semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 01, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Nearly the Best possible draw for tyrone and probably the worst at the same time.

Looks like we are favourites to get to another semi and possibly a final getting all our hopes up again spending a rip of money and convincing myself that we can beat Dublin. Only to get hammered and be depressed about tyrone all winter again.

REPEAT

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 11:35:50 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Nearly the Best possible draw for tyrone and probably the worst at the same time.

Looks like we are favourites to get to another semi and possibly a final getting all our hopes up again spending a rip of money and convincing myself that we can beat Dublin. Only to get hammered and be depressed about tyrone all winter again.

REPEAT

Sure it's a day out/weekend away.

But aye it's the hope that kills you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 01, 2019, 12:18:26 PM
Looks good for 1st of Sept momentum gathering.Cavan are on a low after a very poor showing last day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 01, 2019, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Nearly the Best possible draw for tyrone and probably the worst at the same time.

Looks like we are favourites to get to another semi and possibly a final getting all our hopes up again spending a rip of money and convincing myself that we can beat Dublin. Only to get hammered and be depressed about tyrone all winter again.

REPEAT

Wouldn't look too far past Cavan to be honest. They'll fancy it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 01, 2019, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Nearly the Best possible draw for tyrone and probably the worst at the same time.

Looks like we are favourites to get to another semi and possibly a final getting all our hopes up again spending a rip of money and convincing myself that we can beat Dublin. Only to get hammered and be depressed about tyrone all winter again.

REPEAT

Wouldn't look too far past Cavan to be honest. They'll fancy it.

Not over on the cavan board anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 01, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

Hit rate, stats, blah, blah, blah. If you can't score them, don't take them.

What sort of statement is that?
Unless you are 100% of scoring, don't take on a shot then.

We'll stick with the 1-1 scoreline then.

Id settle for 50%, At the minute it's about 10%
This is a fair criticism of him. Some amount of people giving him a rim job on here. He's absolutely shite at free kicks. He shouldn't take them, but he must have a hard on for himself that is unreal if even he can't see how f**king shite he is.
I hope I am proved wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 01, 2019, 01:03:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 01, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

Hit rate, stats, blah, blah, blah. If you can't score them, don't take them.

What sort of statement is that?
Unless you are 100% of scoring, don't take on a shot then.

We'll stick with the 1-1 scoreline then.

Id settle for 50%, At the minute it's about 10%
This is a fair criticism of him. Some amount of people giving him a rim job on here. He's absolutely shite at free kicks. He shouldn't take them, but he must have a hard on for himself that is unreal if even he can't see how f**king shite he is.
I hope I am proved wrong.

You realise that the manager instructs whomever to take the kicks.....The lads don't just sort it out themselves on the day who fancies it. The keeper shouldn't be taking the free kicks IMO but to personally slate someone for doing what is asked of them is a bit harsh. Why do we not have a forward that can take a long kick? Why does whoever not try and work a quick one.

Your making a tactical decision personal. Presumably your angling for a game for Gallen - you'll be thrilled when he comes 50 metres out of the goal and loses it then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 01, 2019, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 01, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

Hit rate, stats, blah, blah, blah. If you can't score them, don't take them.

What sort of statement is that?
Unless you are 100% of scoring, don't take on a shot then.

We'll stick with the 1-1 scoreline then.

Id settle for 50%, At the minute it's about 10%
This is a fair criticism of him. Some amount of people giving him a rim job on here. He's absolutely shite at free kicks. He shouldn't take them, but he must have a hard on for himself that is unreal if even he can't see how f**king shite he is.
I hope I am proved wrong.

You deal only in extremes. He's either deadly or shite. Just because we don't agree with your view that he's shite, doesn't mean we giving him a rim job!! He's the best we have at long distance frees. So until someone comes along who's better I'm happy to stick with him. The 10% ratio is bollix imo.

That said I do agree we should go short more often. Even to allow Morgan to take a return and shoot from closer in. He's shown he's got no problems shooting from play as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 01, 2019, 06:53:35 PM
I definitely thought he was improved this year and was nailing more of the far out ones that he normally does.
We have been discussing this for years at this stage and there was a while he seemed to not be hitting as many as he used to. For me, his misses were actually having an effect on the fans and then on the team that they didn't actually expect him to score them and it almost gave the other team a lift when he missed.

I agree, most of the better free takers score most of the closer in ones but even great free takers like Murphy, Rock and CoC have to force their kick a bit for those ones beyond the 45m mark and so they miss a good few as well.
Personally I'd much rather we take a quick short free as we have some very good long range kickers or dare I be so bold to suggest he takes it quick takes a few steps forward and gets it back as he has a great long distance shot himself out of his hands (Whilst someone minds the nets for him of course  ;) )

Of course it's the best possible draw we could have got in my opinion. Look at poor Donegal  :P who will probably have Clare or Meath at home first, then Kerry in Croker and either Mayo or Galway away in their last game.
I'd say they would much rather have avoided Mayo or Galway but at least to have got them at home and not away
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 01, 2019, 07:21:46 PM
He's shite a free kicks and he shouldn't take them. It kills momentum when he comes up and misses. It gives the opposition a huge lift. If Harte is asking him to take them, the he needs to get himself looked about because that's mental.

I don't care much for Gallen. Morgan is a very good keeper. But he's pure dung at free kicks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 01, 2019, 09:48:42 PM
Now come on trailer you're exaggerating there just to be be dramatic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 02, 2019, 08:44:44 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 01, 2019, 06:53:35 PM
I definitely thought he was improved this year and was nailing more of the far out ones that he normally does.
We have been discussing this for years at this stage and there was a while he seemed to not be hitting as many as he used to. For me, his misses were actually having an effect on the fans and then on the team that they didn't actually expect him to score them and it almost gave the other team a lift when he missed.

I agree, most of the better free takers score most of the closer in ones but even great free takers like Murphy, Rock and CoC have to force their kick a bit for those ones beyond the 45m mark and so they miss a good few as well.
Personally I'd much rather we take a quick short free as we have some very good long range kickers or dare I be so bold to suggest he takes it quick takes a few steps forward and gets it back as he has a great long distance shot himself out of his hands (Whilst someone minds the nets for him of course  ;) )

Of course it's the best possible draw we could have got in my opinion. Look at poor Donegal  :P who will probably have Clare or Meath at home first, then Kerry in Croker and either Mayo or Galway away in their last game.
I'd say they would much rather have avoided Mayo or Galway but at least to have got them at home and not away

That's a great idea.   :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 04, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 01, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

Hit rate, stats, blah, blah, blah. If you can't score them, don't take them.

What sort of statement is that?
Unless you are 100% of scoring, don't take on a shot then.

We'll stick with the 1-1 scoreline then.

Id settle for 50%, At the minute it's about 10%
This is a fair criticism of him. Some amount of people giving him a rim job on here. He's absolutely shite at free kicks. He shouldn't take them, but he must have a hard on for himself that is unreal if even he can't see how f**king shite he is.
I hope I am proved wrong.

It's not. Was it 1 in 4 last Saturday? That was on a bad day and that's 25%. He was 100% against Donegal, 2 from 2 I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 04, 2019, 11:20:14 PM
Catch a grip Angelo. We don't deal with facts around these parts. Just wild guesses based on getting a dig in at someone. If the man says its a 10% success rate it's 10%.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 05, 2019, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 04, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 01, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

Hit rate, stats, blah, blah, blah. If you can't score them, don't take them.

What sort of statement is that?
Unless you are 100% of scoring, don't take on a shot then.

We'll stick with the 1-1 scoreline then.

Id settle for 50%, At the minute it's about 10%
This is a fair criticism of him. Some amount of people giving him a rim job on here. He's absolutely shite at free kicks. He shouldn't take them, but he must have a hard on for himself that is unreal if even he can't see how f**king shite he is.
I hope I am proved wrong.

It's not. Was it 1 in 4 last Saturday? That was on a bad day and that's 25%. He was 100% against Donegal, 2 from 2 I think.

It was 0 from 3 last weekend. Combine that with the Donegal game and he's on 2/5 which I'd guess isn't far off his overall average. Also, the fact that he kicked 2 from 2 against Donegal almost epitomizes the problem - Morgan seems to have no problem stroking them over when we are cruising and well ahead or if we are well behind, chasing the game and the pressure is off to a degree. The only kick I can remember him landing at a crucial stage where a game was in the balance was v Donegal in the Super 8s last year.

No matter what anyone says this has been a problem for Tyrone since as far back as the '15 semi final v Kerry and Morgan hasn't got any better since then. As someone said it's got to the point where when he comes up the field and puts it wide it seems to drain the energy from the crowd. If Morgan has been kicking them for this long then he's obviously the best in the panel at them, but I would definitely be in favour of working more short routines especially for any free kicks just beyond the 45 or out on the wings.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 05, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
I'd say there is no doubt that Morgan is the best striker of a ball of the ground in the squad. But I would agree he's very inconsistent.

Tyrone were still in the game v Donegal in the ulster semi when he scored his frees so I don't think they could be dismissed as not being important. Against Kildare we where actually rightly ahead when he missed the frees. I didn't mind him getting a go at the first two which were far out but when he missed them there was no way he should have got taking the third which was closer in.

Given his ability I've no doubt it's a mental issue that is causing him to miss a lot of the frees, you wonder if enough has been done to get his routine and head space right when taking them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 05, 2019, 10:14:07 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 05, 2019, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 04, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 01, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 30, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 30, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:51:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2019, 08:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:06:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 29, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Niall Morgan has naked photos of Mickey Harte.

Go away from home for a really tricky tie, play great football winning by 10 and scoring 2-22. The fact this was your only comment on the game sums up the mentality of many on this thread.

Number of excellent performances as mentioned by others. I think you can usually tell quickly if Morgan is on form for frees and there's no way he should have got hitting 3. But there was a lot more to the performance than that.

In tight games those 3 potential pints are vital. This is one of the key differences between tyrone and the top teams, we have no reliable free taker. Morgan has proved the past 4 years he is not a reliable free taker. Not sure why Mickey keeps sending him up as it's not really fair on him.

Morgan may not be a reliable free taker but he's not a bad long distance free taker, he's the best we have in the squad now.

I had made some additional comments on the thread on the main board.
Niall Morgan has about a 10 -20% hit rate with these free kicks at the very best. If there is no one able to take them, then take them short and try and work a better opportunity.
You'd think that Morgan himself would have the gumption to know not to go up and take them. The man's not wise.

Cassidy is a great player. Can't for the life of me understand why Harte dropped for the Donegal game.

Pretty sure Morgan's hit rate is much higher across the league and Championship this year, I'd say it's probably 50% anyway and very few players are above 60% from that range. Even Michael Murphy who is one of the best around, missed a couple of mid to long range ones against us in the semi final. Morgan in contrast hit 2/2 from his long range frees against Donegal.

What skews Morgan's stats is he only hits the ones around the 40 yard and further range. Cillian O'Connor only has a ratio of around 30% from this range, all the top free takers will struggle from here. Beggan missed 3 or 4 against Cavan in the Ulster Championship this year.

As unreliable as Morgan may be, there are probably only a handful more who have better success rate from that range.

Exactly. As soon as Morgan misses a few the knives are out. The criticism he gets is unreal. His kick outs were brilliant yesterday. Still remains one of the best in the country.

Hit rate, stats, blah, blah, blah. If you can't score them, don't take them.

What sort of statement is that?
Unless you are 100% of scoring, don't take on a shot then.

We'll stick with the 1-1 scoreline then.

Id settle for 50%, At the minute it's about 10%
This is a fair criticism of him. Some amount of people giving him a rim job on here. He's absolutely shite at free kicks. He shouldn't take them, but he must have a hard on for himself that is unreal if even he can't see how f**king shite he is.
I hope I am proved wrong.

It's not. Was it 1 in 4 last Saturday? That was on a bad day and that's 25%. He was 100% against Donegal, 2 from 2 I think.

It was 0 from 3 last weekend. Combine that with the Donegal game and he's on 2/5 which I'd guess isn't far off his overall average. Also, the fact that he kicked 2 from 2 against Donegal almost epitomizes the problem - Morgan seems to have no problem stroking them over when we are cruising and well ahead or if we are well behind, chasing the game and the pressure is off to a degree. The only kick I can remember him landing at a crucial stage where a game was in the balance was v Donegal in the Super 8s last year.

No matter what anyone says this has been a problem for Tyrone since as far back as the '15 semi final v Kerry and Morgan hasn't got any better since then. As someone said it's got to the point where when he comes up the field and puts it wide it seems to drain the energy from the crowd. If Morgan has been kicking them for this long then he's obviously the best in the panel at them, but I would definitely be in favour of working more short routines especially for any free kicks just beyond the 45 or out on the wings.

I don't think 40% is a bad return from that range though. I'd say it's not too far off the perceived experts from that range.

I think people have an unrealistic expectation and it's formed from the fact that the likes of Rock, Sean O'Shea, Murphy and Cillian O'Connor will score 8 or 9 frees a game but will be maybe 50% on the long range ones.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 05, 2019, 10:57:04 AM
Angelo, we obviously don't have the stats to hand but even if you are correct that Morgan has similar stats from this range to Rock, O'Shea etc, this doesn't account for the negative impact a Morgan miss has on the Tyrone crowd, which will then filter through to the team. This simply doesn't happen when, for example, Michael Murphy misses a free kick because he has enough credit in the bank from scoring 80% of his other free kicks.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 05, 2019, 11:13:32 AM
I think that's a very good point bigpackie.
Outfield players like Murphy and forwards do a lot more for the team in one way and so keepers taking them in the first place is still viewed as "He Must be good and will score if the keepers hitting them".
But when the keeper keeps missing more than he scores you would imagine Mickey who is so ruthless with many other players, doesn't say enough is enough.
It could mean the difference between getting to a semifinal or final sometimes.

On another note, I miss the naming of the team on Thur nights. Used to look forward to that and discussing it on the Friday.
I wonder will Richie and Hampsey return. I'd be happy to leave Hampsey to rest for another few weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 05, 2019, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 05, 2019, 10:57:04 AM
Angelo, we obviously don't have the stats to hand but even if you are correct that Morgan has similar stats from this range to Rock, O'Shea etc, this doesn't account for the negative impact a Morgan miss has on the Tyrone crowd, which will then filter through to the team. This simply doesn't happen when, for example, Michael Murphy misses a free kick because he has enough credit in the bank from scoring 80% of his other free kicks.

Says more about the crowd in question to be honest. Our outfield players continue to hide behind a lad who can kick it long, you watch tomorrow night - any excuse they can, they'll look back and try and wash their hands of it. Tyrone will not win an All Ireland until they have a forward who can nail them. Bringing the keeper up slows the game down, which is exactly what Harte wants - it's a tactical ploy with a percentage shot of getting a point. The crowd may be frustrated, but it's not at the Goalkeeper - it's at the management....who as they say, insanity is doing the same thing over expecting different results.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 06, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Do southtyronegael and his mates only comment on here during or after defeats? All very quiet this last few weeks.

We're now at important junction in the year where we enter the business end. I think the players deserve praise for putting in a huge amount of work this year again. They started the championship slowly but have put in very good performances in recent weeks.

Harte also deserves praise for leading us to the last 8 of the all Ireland in 14 out of his 17 seasons in charge, an incredible statistic. We have also got to 8 semi finals since he took over and hopefully we'll get back there and further again this year.

Next week looks like a huge game in deciding that. Hopefully a large support travel and give the team the support they deserve, Roscommon will be up for it big time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 06, 2019, 10:36:02 PM
Did anyone work out Morgan's percentage today? Was it above 10%?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 06, 2019, 10:43:19 PM
I had him at 2/3 today? So over Donegal Kildare and today he hit 4 from 8.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 01:15:05 AM
His first one today was outstanding.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2019, 09:18:25 AM
Shows how big an issue it is when after yesterday's win it's still the main conversation on this board.
Good win. Cavan were disappointing. Were probably best of the rest. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and probably Mayo in front of us at this stage.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2019, 09:18:25 AM
Shows how big an issue it is when after yesterday's win it's still the main conversation on this board.
Good win. Cavan were disappointing. Were probably best of the rest. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and probably Mayo in front of us at this stage.

Donegal beat an abysmal Tyrone performance by 4 points.
Mayo haven't convinced me this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 07, 2019, 10:00:25 AM
I'd love Tyrone to make it through and get another crack at Donegal in the semis. It would be set up perfectly for a cracking game. I wouldn't overly fear mayo or Kerry if we made it that far either. But next week is going to go a long way to deciding our progression and we'll get nothing easy travelling to Hyde park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on July 07, 2019, 10:33:45 AM
Any chance of Cork springing a surprise on the dubs and the dubs then having to come to omagh to win to stay in the competition. Now that would be interesting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on July 07, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
Regarding Morgan, I think he is the best keeper in Ireland. He can do it all. He is taking the long range frees because he is best man on the team to hit them obviously
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
I see the tyrone boys celebrated their win with a wee singalong on the bus home!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 07, 2019, 12:40:00 PM
The Cavan boys went on a party bus  day after the Ulster final looked like they were on it for a fortnight lol.Seems to be a new thing after getting beaten in an Ulster final last year,Fermanagh went on an party boat which ended with the long arm of the law being present on disembarkation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 07, 2019, 01:38:35 PM
For all the stick Morgan got on here last week I thought he was brilliant yesterday. Any high ball that came near him he was in total control. So Tyrone have done what they do and hammered a few weak teams. Next few weeks will tell us if we are fit for the big boys.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on July 07, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
I see the tyrone boys celebrated their win with a wee singalong on the bus home!!!

Saw that myself.  I'd imagine it wasnt joe doyle who captured it because his camera is alot better so the question is who was the idiot who recorded it and then sent it on. 

Be interesting to see if the media get their hands on it because there will the customary outrage from our orange brethren.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on July 07, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
I see the tyrone boys celebrated their win with a wee singalong on the bus home!!!

Saw that myself.  I'd imagine it wasnt joe doyle who captured it because his camera is alot better so the question is who was the idiot who recorded it and then sent it on. 

Be interesting to see if the media get their hands on it because there will the customary outrage from our orange brethren.

Id say the 'cameraman' is a popular boy today !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 04:48:53 PM
Any link to it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on July 07, 2019, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on July 07, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
I see the tyrone boys celebrated their win with a wee singalong on the bus home!!!

Saw that myself.  I'd imagine it wasnt joe doyle who captured it because his camera is alot better so the question is who was the idiot who recorded it and then sent it on. 

Be interesting to see if the media get their hands on it because there will the customary outrage from our orange brethren.

Id say the 'cameraman' is a popular boy today !!!

Fair play lads..Flegory Campbell will be all over Nolan in the morning. Massive own goal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 08:36:37 PM
Saw it, gonna be a tough week ahead. Saw who it was recorded it too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 08:46:50 PM
I'll take a PM.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 07, 2019, 09:38:31 PM
Pm me whoever has it lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 09:45:14 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 07, 2019, 09:38:31 PM
Pm me whoever has it lads.

No chance !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
It's a nothing issue. If this makes the media then I don't know what next.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 07, 2019, 09:38:31 PM
Pm me whoever has it lads.

Somehow you'll blame Mickey Harte for it.  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on July 07, 2019, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 07, 2019, 10:33:45 AM
Any chance of Cork springing a surprise on the dubs and the dubs then having to come to omagh to win to stay in the competition. Now that would be interesting
No
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 07, 2019, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 07, 2019, 09:38:31 PM
Pm me whoever has it lads.
No
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on July 07, 2019, 11:36:18 PM
Big game against Roscommon coming up on Saturday. Win there and that's an All Ireland Semi Final place secured and you'd be quietly confident there. Tyrone put them to the sword at this stage last year in Croke Park, they have improved and have home advantage, but it's debatable if they have come that far as in to beat Tyrone at this stage, who are well seasoned and experienced.
In terms of changes, Hampsey is the only man to come in if hes fully up to speed, ideally he is the man to pick up Cox. Hopefully Harte is past the point of making rash changes like bringing Tiernan McCann, Ben McDonnell or a red herring like Rafferty in again at the expense of form players like Kennedy, Cassidy or Brennan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 08, 2019, 10:31:51 AM
After criticising his free-taking on here last week I have to give Morgan his dues for Saturday, he was brilliant. He nailed two great kicks early on when the game was still close and Cavan were trying to get in our faces and make it a dog fight. He also made a couple of good interceptions at the back and his kick-outs were flawless. On that kind of form there is no better keeper in the country
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 08, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 01, 2019, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Nearly the Best possible draw for tyrone and probably the worst at the same time.

Looks like we are favourites to get to another semi and possibly a final getting all our hopes up again spending a rip of money and convincing myself that we can beat Dublin. Only to get hammered and be depressed about tyrone all winter again.

REPEAT

Wouldn't look too far past Cavan to be honest. They'll fancy it.

That went well.

Cavan were absolutely shite. No effort, no intensity, no heart. Obviously that's not Tyrone's problem though who gratefully will take the pass into the Super 8s. Roscommon must bring more on Saturday. Promises to be a massive game with the Dubs in the group and presumably will qualify.

Tyrone had a lot of great performances, McCurry and McShane look to be making those two attacking positions their own. How much of that was Cavan not at the races, we shall see. I don't know how much Tyrone will learn from Saturday but they'll be thrilled to get through the final round so unscathed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 08, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 06, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Do southtyronegael and his mates only comment on here during or after defeats? All very quiet this last few weeks.

We're now at important junction in the year where we enter the business end. I think the players deserve praise for putting in a huge amount of work this year again. They started the championship slowly but have put in very good performances in recent weeks.

Harte also deserves praise for leading us to the last 8 of the all Ireland in 14 out of his 17 seasons in charge, an incredible statistic. We have also got to 8 semi finals since he took over and hopefully we'll get back there and further again this year.

Next week looks like a huge game in deciding that. Hopefully a large support travel and give the team the support they deserve, Roscommon will be up for it big time.

Quiet - Tyrone have beaten nobody of note
Huge work - Is this not required every year??
Performances - Against lower opposition
Harte - Credit were due, just feel it time he moved on while he still gets the plaudits for these stats and not ruine his legacy

I will heap praise when we finally beat Kerry/Mayo or Dublin when it counts
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 08, 2019, 12:02:48 PM
Quote from: Club boi on July 08, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 06, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Do southtyronegael and his mates only comment on here during or after defeats? All very quiet this last few weeks.

We're now at important junction in the year where we enter the business end. I think the players deserve praise for putting in a huge amount of work this year again. They started the championship slowly but have put in very good performances in recent weeks.

Harte also deserves praise for leading us to the last 8 of the all Ireland in 14 out of his 17 seasons in charge, an incredible statistic. We have also got to 8 semi finals since he took over and hopefully we'll get back there and further again this year.

Next week looks like a huge game in deciding that. Hopefully a large support travel and give the team the support they deserve, Roscommon will be up for it big time.

Quiet - Tyrone have beaten nobody of note
Huge work - Is this not required every year??
Performances - Against lower opposition
Harte - Credit were due, just feel it time he moved on while he still gets the plaudits for these stats and not ruine his legacy

I will heap praise when we finally beat Kerry/Mayo or Dublin when it counts

Whether it be a league game McKenna cup game or championship game boys on here are very quick to give out on here at a bad performance or result. But not a word after good displays.

Yes we were expected to beat Cavan and Kildare but they were both very good performances with huge victories. It shows how far we've come that we expect to be beating a team that played division one this year and a team near the top of division two by so much. Every other county in ulster outside of Donegal would be delighted with the results.

I think a lot of people want Harte to move on for the sake of it. He's doing a great job with a lot less resources than the other top counties and long may it continue. We operated at a level above both Mayo and Kerry last year so not sure why we needed to beat them, though a win would have been nice.

Big game again this week against a team who have already beaten Mayo and will be fired up and confident. It will be a much tougher assignment than last week and a big battle in store.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 08, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
After seeing the highlights of the cork game there is no guarantee that tyrone will progress. You dont want to be playing dublin needing any points to progress. Corks kicking into the full forwards was excellent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 08, 2019, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 08, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
After seeing the highlights of the cork game there is no guarantee that tyrone will progress. You dont want to be playing dublin needing any points to progress. Corks kicking into the full forwards was excellent.

Which hopefully is bread and butter to our defensive system
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on July 08, 2019, 12:45:24 PM
Tyrone will beat Roscommon by at least 7
They will beat Cork by at least 12
No idea how the Dublin game in Omagh will pan out.
If they play Donegal in the semis they will win by 2 or 3
Then will lose by 5 to Dublin in the final
Only Dublin and Donegal have the intelligence needed to beat Tyrone and I don't think Donegal are good enough.
If Tyrone concede the opposition kickouts against Dublin the way they did last Saturday then they will not win.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 08, 2019, 12:48:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 08, 2019, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 08, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
After seeing the highlights of the cork game there is no guarantee that tyrone will progress. You dont want to be playing dublin needing any points to progress. Corks kicking into the full forwards was excellent.

Which hopefully is bread and butter to our defensive system

That's what I am hoping. Hard to judge cork at the minute. Does the winners of the group play the runners up of the other group?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 08, 2019, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: In hiding on July 08, 2019, 12:45:24 PM
Tyrone will beat Roscommon by at least 7
They will beat Cork by at least 12
No idea how the Dublin game in Omagh will pan out.
If they play Donegal in the semis they will win by 2 or 3
Then will lose by 5 to Dublin in the final
Only Dublin and Donegal have the intelligence needed to beat Tyrone and I don't think Donegal are good enough.
If Tyrone concede the opposition kickouts against Dublin the way they did last Saturday then they will not win.

I don't know where to start with that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 08, 2019, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 08, 2019, 12:48:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 08, 2019, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 08, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
After seeing the highlights of the cork game there is no guarantee that tyrone will progress. You dont want to be playing dublin needing any points to progress. Corks kicking into the full forwards was excellent.

Which hopefully is bread and butter to our defensive system

That's what I am hoping. Hard to judge cork at the minute. Does the winners of the group play the runners up of the other group?

Yes, first plays second in the semis.
Laois defending was abysmal yesterday, they were gifting cork scores. I wouldn't worry too much.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 08, 2019, 01:04:55 PM
Yeah I'm certainly back enjoying watching Tyrone play as opposed to a few years ago where it was such crap to watch and all negative siege mentality and negative story after story in the media.
The bar has been raised big time for us that we expect to get to the last 8 every year now and usually it's a question of have we improved enough to beat Mayo or Kerry as we know we're still a bit behind Dublin but last year will do this team the power of good. To me we look like we have improved since last year with a few new players introduced and have became regulars and with McShane showing that's he's lot more than a raw midfielder thrown in at FF to win primary ball.
He has shown he can win his own ball even when double marked and can take a man on and beat him. He has pace and strength which allows Mattie and Petey to play further out the field where they are needed.

Cassidy has really settled in well and shows he can push forward and take scores as well as Tiernan could a few years ago.
Colm back as sweeper makes our defence a lot more secure and I think we can still play him there but with 2 or even 3 players up front at times.
Im delighted with the run this year again but I'd still not be sure are we able for Kerry or Mayo. Last year we avoided them and got lucky with the draw. Until you beat them you can't say we were better than them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 08, 2019, 01:32:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 08, 2019, 01:04:55 PM
Yeah I'm certainly back enjoying watching Tyrone play as opposed to a few years ago where it was such crap to watch and all negative siege mentality and negative story after story in the media.
The bar has been raised big time for us that we expect to get to the last 8 every year now and usually it's a question of have we improved enough to beat Mayo or Kerry as we know we're still a bit behind Dublin but last year will do this team the power of good. To me we look like we have improved since last year with a few new players introduced and have became regulars and with McShane showing that's he's lot more than a raw midfielder thrown in at FF to win primary ball.
He has shown he can win his own ball even when double marked and can take a man on and beat him. He has pace and strength which allows Mattie and Petey to play further out the field where they are needed.

Cassidy has really settled in well and shows he can push forward and take scores as well as Tiernan could a few years ago.
Colm back as sweeper makes our defence a lot more secure and I think we can still play him there but with 2 or even 3 players up front at times.
Im delighted with the run this year again but I'd still not be sure are we able for Kerry or Mayo. Last year we avoided them and got lucky with the draw. Until you beat them you can't say we were better than them

We didn't avoid Mayo or Kerry last year because of a lucky draw. We avoided them because they were both very poor last year. Mayo lost to Galway and Kildare and Kerry were very very poor against both Galway and Monaghan. Beating Donegal in Ballybofey was much tougher than taking on either of them last year in croke park based on their performances. That's not to say they won't/haven't improved a bit this year but time will tell how far they go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on July 08, 2019, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on July 07, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
I see the tyrone boys celebrated their win with a wee singalong on the bus home!!!

Saw that myself.  I'd imagine it wasnt joe doyle who captured it because his camera is alot better so the question is who was the idiot who recorded it and then sent it on. 

Be interesting to see if the media get their hands on it because there will the customary outrage from our orange brethren.

Id say the 'cameraman' is a popular boy today !!!
The arsehole deserves beaten to a pulp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 08, 2019, 08:23:35 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 08, 2019, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: In hiding on July 08, 2019, 12:45:24 PM
Tyrone will beat Roscommon by at least 7
They will beat Cork by at least 12
No idea how the Dublin game in Omagh will pan out.
If they play Donegal in the semis they will win by 2 or 3
Then will lose by 5 to Dublin in the final
Only Dublin and Donegal have the intelligence needed to beat Tyrone and I don't think Donegal are good enough.
If Tyrone concede the opposition kickouts against Dublin the way they did last Saturday then they will not win.

I don't know where to start with that.

I'd say it's possibly not too far off how I'd expect the rest of the year to pan out too, probably with the exception of the Rossies, I think that could be a lot closer this year and within a goal for the winner.

Cork despite playing better against Kerry while losing are still a poor enough side  that will be playing in D3 next year. They should be canon fodder for Tyrone in the Super8 especially in Croker. The Dublin game will depend largely on whether we both go into it with full points on board and how the other group ends up looking too. Tyrone won't be looking to avoid anyone in the semi-final but Dublin might have half an eye on that one. I think they'd prefer Kerry if I'm honest.

If we get Donegal in the semi then I'd expect us to turn over the earlier result. We're going much much better now. I'd also expect us to lose the final by a few points to Dublin while improving on the last few croker performances against them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 08, 2019, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 08, 2019, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on July 07, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 07, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
I see the tyrone boys celebrated their win with a wee singalong on the bus home!!!

Saw that myself.  I'd imagine it wasnt joe doyle who captured it because his camera is alot better so the question is who was the idiot who recorded it and then sent it on. 

Be interesting to see if the media get their hands on it because there will the customary outrage from our orange brethren.

Id say the 'cameraman' is a popular boy today !!!
The arsehole deserves beaten to a pulp.
it all over BBC news.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 08, 2019, 08:35:39 PM
Whatever possessed him to record and share that on social media. Can only put it down to being young and naive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 08, 2019, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 08, 2019, 01:32:13 PM

We didn't avoid Mayo or Kerry last year because of a lucky draw. We avoided them because they were both very poor last year. Mayo lost to Galway and Kildare and Kerry were very very poor against both Galway and Monaghan. Beating Donegal in Ballybofey was much tougher than taking on either of them last year in croke park based on their performances. That's not to say they won't/haven't improved a bit this year but time will tell how far they go.

This is true and I feel we would have beaten either last year but like was said, until we finally do beat one of those three we won't know. Donegal have been a bit ahead of us this decade but this last game apart we seem to have their measure but that's a derby game and a bit different.

What's both annoying and can be looked at as a positive is that it's a long time since we've gone out of the championship to anyone other than the winner of the beaten finalist.

2018 - Dubs - final - winner
2017 - Dubs - semi - winner
2016 - Mayo - quarter - finalist
2015 - Kerry - semi - finalist
2014 - Armagh - Qualifier
2013 - Kerry - semi - finalist
2012 - Kerry - qualifier
2011 - Dubs - quarter - winner
2010 - Dubs - quarter
2009 - Cork - semi - finalist

So in the last ten years we've only been beaten three times by someone that wasn't in the final, and only once by a team outside of the usual top 3. Unfortunately you have to go back to 2008 to find the last championship wins against Dublin, Kerry or Mayo and funny that year we beat all three of them.


Losing to Armagh was the only really bad defeat in that ten years and a fair few of them games that we lost I felt we were robbed in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Cactus Wagon on July 08, 2019, 08:41:39 PM
Whilst they did a great version of the tune, Alan Partridge, did a much better version, live on the bbc! I think Mickey and the team would agree!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPteP8dZFkI
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on July 08, 2019, 09:59:55 PM
is this the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6STl4y9_cc

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 08, 2019, 10:16:30 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 08, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 08, 2019, 08:35:39 PM
Whatever possessed him to record and share that on social media. Can only put it down to being young and naive.
If they're willing to do it, no point complaining about people knowing about it.

Don't see a major issue myself.
I would have an issue with someone in the panel who could not be trusted to maintain the team bond. Be interesting to see if 1 of the Aghayaran boys is "injured" and not togged out next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 08, 2019, 10:21:29 PM
Mountain out of a molehill.

I doubt anybody really cares, we all know what the orange marches represent. Harte will come and condemn it publicly due to political pressure but I'd say there will just be a bit of a lecture about being careful with social media and no more.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 08, 2019, 10:28:00 PM
f**k them. A few young lads on a bus singing a song that everyone has sang at some stage in their life. The only people that will give a f**k will the the BelTel trying to make a fuss over it and I'm sure a few Unionist mouthpieces will get on BBC radio to have a cry. The c***ts are putting people out of their homes with these stupid cunting bonfires all week and will close the place down for their hatefest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on July 08, 2019, 10:44:52 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 08, 2019, 10:28:00 PM
f**k them. A few young lads on a bus singing a song that everyone has sang at some stage in their life. The only people that will give a f**k will the the BelTel trying to make a fuss over it and I'm sure a few Unionist mouthpieces will get on BBC radio to have a cry. The c***ts are putting people out of their homes with these stupid cunting bonfires all week and will close the place down for their hatefest.

100% agree with you in that no one with a brain should be offended. A bit of craic.  But... we've just about reached the point that kids can walk into the likes of Lisburn and Ballymena in a GAA top without the expectation  to get verbally abused or worse.  Videos like this just refuel the hatred and some will say it justifies the abusers.  That's why the air-head who took this and shared it deserves a damn good slap!  Send him my way and I'll give him a lecture instead of the slap I felt like giving him when I saw it!! >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on July 09, 2019, 12:02:31 AM
I would say it will end making tyrone more popular in the south. These idiots time these marches every tyrone to cause most disruption and they love it. Most of them not from the mixed towns they are marching through. Im.not bothered in the slightest
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: paddyjohn on July 09, 2019, 09:02:59 AM
Don't burn your mouth on the soup there lads.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 09, 2019, 09:16:49 AM
I'd be pretty confident that the songs being played by the marching bands on the open streets, for all sides of the community to hear, where every bit as offensive as the songs the Tyrone lads were singing in the enclosed bus amongst themselves. The issue for me is the idiot who thought it was a good idea to share it on social media.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 09, 2019, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 09, 2019, 09:16:49 AM
I'd be pretty confident that the songs being played by the marching bands on the open streets, for all sides of the community to hear, where every bit as offensive as the songs the Tyrone lads were singing in the enclosed bus amongst themselves. The issue for me is the idiot who thought it was a good idea to share it on social media.
the song itself is not sectarian or offensive in my opinion. But why stoop to their level by singing it when a parade is on? We need to be above that. Must be some goons on the Tyrone panel with some of the shit we hear about them. Let's hope a gaa club in Tyrone doesn't get burned to the ground in the next week because of this stupidity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 09, 2019, 10:09:58 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 09, 2019, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 09, 2019, 09:16:49 AM
I'd be pretty confident that the songs being played by the marching bands on the open streets, for all sides of the community to hear, where every bit as offensive as the songs the Tyrone lads were singing in the enclosed bus amongst themselves. The issue for me is the idiot who thought it was a good idea to share it on social media.
the song itself is not sectarian or offensive in my opinion. But why stoop to their level by singing it when a parade is on? We need to be above that. Must be some goons on the Tyrone panel with some of the shit we hear about them. Let's hope a gaa club in Tyrone doesn't get burned to the ground in the next week because of this stupidity.

Agree with everything here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Imposerous on July 09, 2019, 10:35:39 AM
Gareth Malone.  Throwing his name out there as a potential successor to Mickey Harte. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 09, 2019, 11:44:15 AM
A bit of banter that overall is harmless.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 09, 2019, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 08, 2019, 08:36:21 PM
2018 - Dubs - final - winner
2017 - Dubs - semi - winner
2016 - Mayo - quarter - finalist
2015 - Kerry - semi - finalist
2014 - Armagh - Qualifier
2013 - Kerry - semi - finalist
2012 - Kerry - qualifier
2011 - Dubs - quarter - winner
2010 - Dubs - quarter
2009 - Cork - semi - finalist

So in the last ten years we've only been beaten three times by someone that wasn't in the final, and only once by a team outside of the usual top 3.

Yeah that's good analysis Jayop and what RHSanta has been saying for some time. Mickey really has raised the bar of where we used to be before he came along in 2003 and whilst many can argue we've not won an AI or beaten any of the top 3 in 10 years, we certainly have been a top 5 team now for a good few years. Mayo have gotten to a good few more finals than us and look the closest to Dublin but there always seems to be this argument who are the better team. They like to believe they are the most consistent team in the 2010s.

Personally, I think we will get to another semi and I think that game will show have we really made progress or not. I think if we played Mayo now it would be a hell of a game. Kerry would be interesting as they seem a bit like Galway in that they want to play attacking football but when they leave their defensive system they look very open. Donegal will be sick as parrots if they draw us again in the semi but I'd say maybe we're the lesser of two evils.
I love the super 8s and the runs we get in the back door. I much prefer it to the Ulster championship as Donegal have been sitting waiting around now for ages as have the Rossies whilst Mayo and ourselves have again built up huge momentum.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 11, 2019, 08:35:49 PM
Both ourselves and Donegal would be confident in playing the other if we both managed to get to a semi-final. Donegal would certainly prefer to play us and if they do that would mean they have won a group with Kerry and Mayo in it so they would be flying at that stage. If we finished second it would be because we've likely lost our last super 8 game at home and you'd probably just give Donegal the favourites tag.

Personally I'd much prefer to have Kerry or Mayo just to give us a chance to get that monkey off our back that I mentioned above.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 11, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
As expected, Petey Harte cleared to play on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 11, 2019, 11:24:07 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 11, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
As expected, Petey Harte cleared to play on Saturday.

Apparently only the Longford one overturned which is a joke tbh but no surprise. You can be certain he'll be targeted by the refs for another soft one before we have a big game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 11, 2019, 11:27:27 PM
Typical gaa. Couldn't admit a problem with the rules so they overturn only 1. Does this mean if he gets another 1 we are back to a ban again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 11, 2019, 11:29:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 11, 2019, 11:27:27 PM
Typical gaa. Couldn't admit a problem with the rules so they overturn only 1. Does this mean if he gets another 1 we are back to a ban again

Yup
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 11, 2019, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 11, 2019, 11:29:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 11, 2019, 11:27:27 PM
Typical gaa. Couldn't admit a problem with the rules so they overturn only 1. Does this mean if he gets another 1 we are back to a ban again

Yup

Nightmare. The cavan one was a joke. 100% certain he will get another black card to even it out for the gaa. Ironically he is one of the cleanest players in the game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 11, 2019, 11:38:44 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 11, 2019, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 11, 2019, 11:29:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 11, 2019, 11:27:27 PM
Typical gaa. Couldn't admit a problem with the rules so they overturn only 1. Does this mean if he gets another 1 we are back to a ban again

Yup

Nightmare. The cavan one was a joke. 100% certain he will get another black card to even it out for the gaa. Ironically he is one of the cleanest players in the game
wouldn't exactly say cleanest, he got red carded against Monaghan last year for punching someone in the ribs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 12, 2019, 03:05:49 AM
http://hoganstand.com/article/index/301613

What a great footballer.... But can we all now agree hes now a self serving twat whose embarrassing. Mickey and Sean have let the County and the lads down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on July 12, 2019, 07:59:44 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 12, 2019, 03:05:49 AM
http://hoganstand.com/article/index/301613

What a great footballer.... But can we all now agree hes now a self serving twat whose embarrassing. Mickey and Sean have let the County and the lads down.

Don't agree with his analysis of this at all but I expect he's trying fire fight any reputational damage to his business. Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 10:24:53 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on July 12, 2019, 07:59:44 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 12, 2019, 03:05:49 AM
http://hoganstand.com/article/index/301613

What a great footballer.... But can we all now agree hes now a self serving twat whose embarrassing. Mickey and Sean have let the County and the lads down.

Don't agree with his analysis of this at all but I expect he's trying fire fight any reputational damage to his business. Just a hunch.

The parade did not "pass the bus" as suggested here. It blocked the road. The bus had to wait for it to finish.
Also, you don't need to be political to have an idea of the words of that song.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 12, 2019, 10:30:31 AM
https://fielstrong.wordpress.com/2019/07/10/super-8s-group-2-the-case-against-5-in-a-row-part-2/amp/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 12, 2019, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 10:24:53 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on July 12, 2019, 07:59:44 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 12, 2019, 03:05:49 AM
http://hoganstand.com/article/index/301613

What a great footballer.... But can we all now agree hes now a self serving twat whose embarrassing. Mickey and Sean have let the County and the lads down.

Don't agree with his analysis of this at all but I expect he's trying fire fight any reputational damage to his business. Just a hunch.


Exactly. it was embarassing from him. First of all how can you possibly condemn lads for singing a song and then in the next breath say you have no idea what the song is about?? Makes zero sense.

I'm trying to figure out what's worse from him this week. This or the crying about the Kerry fans clapping the Tyrone team into the bus in Kilarney which was a gesture at the time that everyone thought was great. Thin skin these lads are turning out to have.
The parade did not "pass the bus" as suggested here. It blocked the road. The bus had to wait for it to finish.
Also, you don't need to be political to have an idea of the words of that song.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ardtole on July 12, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 12, 2019, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 10:24:53 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on July 12, 2019, 07:59:44 AM
Quote from: WT4E on July 12, 2019, 03:05:49 AM
http://hoganstand.com/article/index/301613

What a great footballer.... But can we all now agree hes now a self serving twat whose embarrassing. Mickey and Sean have let the County and the lads down.

Don't agree with his analysis of this at all but I expect he's trying fire fight any reputational damage to his business. Just a hunch.


Exactly. it was embarassing from him. First of all how can you possibly condemn lads for singing a song and then in the next breath say you have no idea what the song is about?? Makes zero sense.

I'm trying to figure out what's worse from him this week. This or the crying about the Kerry fans clapping the Tyrone team into the bus in Kilarney which was a gesture at the time that everyone thought was great. Thin skin these lads are turning out to have.
The parade did not "pass the bus" as suggested here. It blocked the road. The bus had to wait for it to finish.
Also, you don't need to be political to have an idea of the words of that song.

When the Kerry fans applauded the Tyrone team after beating them in Killarney, I interpreted as a show of support to Mickey Harte after the loss of Michaela. It might have been a while after the tragedy, but my instinct at the time was it was a show of both sympathy and admiration for Mickey Harte in particular.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 12, 2019, 05:44:39 PM
As did everyone with half a brain because that's exactly what it was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 13, 2019, 11:50:01 AM
I wasn't at that game but I heard from others that the Kerry fans were a disgrace that day. The language and hatred they had before and during the game was a real eye opener for many.
Then when they had us beaten they mellowed and were all patronising and smug as if they had finally put us back in our place. Yes most of them have a lot of respect for Mickey Harte but had we have beaten them that day I'm not so sure would they have been so pleased to look for autographs and wish the lads well on the way home.
I've always found that with Kerry people, lovely when they're beating you but in 2008 final I was sitting in the middle of loads and before the game not one would chat to me or have the craic. As soon as game was over they were away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 13, 2019, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 13, 2019, 11:50:01 AM
I wasn't at that game but I heard from others that the Kerry fans were a disgrace that day. The language and hatred they had before and during the game was a real eye opener for many.
Then when they had us beaten they mellowed and were all patronising and smug as if they had finally put us back in our place. Yes most of them have a lot of respect for Mickey Harte but had we have beaten them that day I'm not so sure would they have been so pleased to look for autographs and wish the lads well on the way home.
I've always found that with Kerry people, lovely when they're beating you but in 2008 final I was sitting in the middle of loads and before the game not one would chat to me or have the craic. As soon as game was over they were away.

Its a superiority complex that certain elements within their fanbase have. Have noticed it over the years at league/championship games. They will be your friend until you dare to question their status as the best team in Ireland,especially when you are *shudder*, a nordie team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 13, 2019, 04:54:23 PM
I was on the hill in the 03 semi final with the wife and was surrounded by kerry lads and genuinely was waiting for them to kick off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 13, 2019, 09:01:30 PM
Niall Morgan who had a great game by the way, 0 from 1 on the frees I think. I make that <checks notes> yes 0% 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 08:18:18 AM
Thought Tyrone really flexed their muscles in the 2nd half. Roscommon put an awful lot into the first half and went in trailing which will be tough for them.

I was little worried about how easy Roscommon were able to feed their full forward line in the first half but in the second half we really got on top of them and probably would have ran out more convincing winners if we were ruthless enough there.

Kennedy will presumably be a big doubt for next week.

Harte replaced Coney in the named squad yesterday. Thought this was a bit of a surprise (unless Coney was injured) as McAliskey was the only other attacking option on the bench. McCann also seemed to be ready to come on at some point yesterday, he was wearing the no 29 jersey so presumably he will be ready to come back in shortly.

Cork look to be much improved this year and have some good players across the pitch but the way they play should fit perfectly for Tyrone. They have conceded 5-18 and 1-19 the game before so we should get plenty of chances to open them up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 14, 2019, 08:27:18 AM
Looks like Tyrone are back to their brilliant, boring best.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 14, 2019, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 13, 2019, 11:50:01 AM
I wasn't at that game but I heard from others that the Kerry fans were a disgrace that day. The language and hatred they had before and during the game was a real eye opener for many.
Then when they had us beaten they mellowed and were all patronising and smug as if they had finally put us back in our place. Yes most of them have a lot of respect for Mickey Harte but had we have beaten them that day I'm not so sure would they have been so pleased to look for autographs and wish the lads well on the way home.
I've always found that with Kerry people, lovely when they're beating you but in 2008 final I was sitting in the middle of loads and before the game not one would chat to me or have the craic. As soon as game was over they were away.
All 100%
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 14, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
I'm finding it hard to resist the quote button on here but I will. Go back over the last season or two on here and read some of the comments re Cathal McShane. A fair proportion of 'experts' wrote him off and the criticism was over the top. Some of the commentary childish in fact.

Two years ago I cited Cathal's schedule for the 2 to 3 years around his U21/ senior career. He basically played for Club, two County teams and university 12 months of the year with his longest break 2 x weeks. I thought he was badly managed and a lot of errors were fatigue driven.

Cathal could score 0.3, and miss an easy one but the easy one would be remembered and accentuated.

Another major factor is Cathal went in to Tyrone seniors with very little experience compared to others. While most other players will play McCrory, or grade one youth football or division 1/ 2 Club football as a grounding Cathal didn't.

He played 8 x grade one youth games at most, and to date bar 14 division 2 games all his footballl has been played ary junior level.

This blunts your decision making, and leaves you slightly undercooked for the challenges you may face at Inter County level.

If the GAABoard panel had their way he'd of been off the squad 2 x years ago. However here we are today with the leading scorer in Ireland.

Now I'm not saying he's the best player in Ireland, nor is he immune from criticism and he'll hit 0.8 every week but he's doing alright.  He's earned his place and I for one am delighted to see it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 14, 2019, 11:42:31 AM
Haha Norf has just went full Fr Ted giving his golden cleric speech! And now we move on to liars...

Fair play to you, Cathal's form must be sweet for you Roes men. As usual in here the criticism went over the top but it when it was reasonable it tended to be on that theme of decision making. You make very valid points about his youth football/club grading standard affecting his performance under pressure and he's clearly done serious work as his stats recently have been off the chart. I'd easily say he's leading contender for the FF all star this year.

On additional issue, guys like Cathal and Colm show us why we're sitting at the smart phones and Mickey is in the hot seat. Most people would have had them off the team or panel altogether. Clearly Mickey seen the potential in both and has developed the best sweeper playing the game (alongside Cian O'Sullivan) and has Cathal well on the way to be becoming one of the leading FFs in the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 14, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
I'm finding it hard to resist the quote button on here but I will. Go back over the last season or two on here and read some of the comments re Cathal McShane. A fair proportion of 'experts' wrote him off and the criticism was over the top. Some of the commentary childish in fact.

Two years ago I cited Cathal's schedule for the 2 to 3 years around his U21/ senior career. He basically played for Club, two County teams and university 12 months of the year with his longest break 2 x weeks. I thought he was badly managed and a lot of errors were fatigue driven.

Cathal could score 0.3, and miss an easy one but the easy one would be remembered and accentuated.

Another major factor is Cathal went in to Tyrone seniors with very little experience compared to others. While most other players will play McCrory, or grade one youth football or division 1/ 2 Club football as a grounding Cathal didn't.

He played 8 x grade one youth games at most, and to date bar 14 division 2 games all his footballl has been played ary junior level.

This blunts your decision making, and leaves you slightly undercooked for the challenges you may face at Inter County level.

If the GAABoard panel had their way he'd of been off the squad 2 x years ago. However here we are today with the leading scorer in Ireland.

Now I'm not saying he's the best player in Ireland, nor is he immune from criticism and he'll hit 0.8 every week but he's doing alright.  He's earned his place and I for one am delighted to see it.

McShane's problem in previous years was his decision making, he would take on ridiculous shots with low success rate and when you're playing against the top teams those type of misses can kill you and just drain the confidence from the team. I thought some of the criticism of McShane was valid, some OTT but it was always with the caveat that he was/is young and he has plenty of time to develop his game and improve on where he was falling down.

He has been outstanding so far this year and hopefully he will keep it up, he seems to have worked extremely hard over the last few years and even in the light of the criticism he has received in past years, one thing you could certainly not accuse him of was his effort and the fact he never goes hiding in games whether he's playing well or not. His movement and finishing has been great but it's his composure this year that makes him look a different player. He looks to have developed a different style of kicking the ball too, maybe it's because he tends to only shoot now within a 30 yard range.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 14, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
Shoe in for an All Star this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 14, 2019, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
Shoe in for an All Star this year.

Skeet was second top scorer in the championship total last year and second top scorer from play and didn't even get a nomination let alone an All star. Hard to say someone from Tyrone is a shoe in at full forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 14, 2019, 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 14, 2019, 08:27:18 AM
Looks like Tyrone are back to their brilliant, boring best.

Another good win wasn't it? Great that everyone is back talking football and not sidelined by other nonsense.

Great result going away to a team that have already knocked out two top 5 teams. It's been a brilliant response to a very poor performance against Donegal. One win away from a semi final, let's hope it's secured next weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 14, 2019, 03:53:53 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 14, 2019, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
Shoe in for an All Star this year.

Skeet was second top scorer in the championship total last year and second top scorer from play and didn't even get a nomination let alone an All star. Hard to say someone from Tyrone is a shoe in at full forward.

Shoo-in. Shoo, shoo, shoooo-in.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on July 14, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
Another decent win.

It will be interesting to see if Tiernan McCann, Richie Donnelly and Hampsey return to the side. They had looked like nailed on starters, but who do you take out?

HP McGeary has never given me much confidence but has been decent. I was impressed yesterday with how solid Brennan and McNamee were. Meyler has worked and worked, he had some good kick passes too. I think people underestimate his footballing ability, maybe a bit like Dooher was once upon a time? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on July 14, 2019, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 14, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
Another decent win.

It will be interesting to see if Tiernan McCann, Richie Donnelly and Hampsey return to the side. They had looked like nailed on starters, but who do you take out?

HP McGeary has never given me much confidence but has been decent. I was impressed yesterday with how solid Brennan and McCarron[/b] were. Meyler has worked and worked, he had some good kick passes too. I think people underestimate his footballing ability, maybe a bit like Dooher was once upon a time?


  McCarron?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 14, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
Another decent win.

It will be interesting to see if Tiernan McCann, Richie Donnelly and Hampsey return to the side. They had looked like nailed on starters, but who do you take out?

HP McGeary has never given me much confidence but has been decent. I was impressed yesterday with how solid Brennan and McNamee were. Meyler has worked and worked, he had some good kick passes too. I think people underestimate his footballing ability, maybe a bit like Dooher was once upon a time?

Hampsey might come in but I think Richie looks a bit one paced against the top teams and Croke Park will go against them. McCann will probably have to play his way back in from substitute appearances. Cassidy had a fairly quiet game yesterday but deserves his spot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 15, 2019, 09:04:46 AM
Good weekend for Tyrone with a hard fought crucial win over Roscommon and a very impressive u20 win last night. Canavan was a joy to watch at times and there were good performances all over the pitch.

Pity more people didn't come out to support both our teams yesterday in a handy venue. It wasn't as if there was a huge following in Roscommon either. Monaghan had a far bigger support for one final. As I've said before we were spoiled with success over the last 20 years. Ironic that our fans used to criticise Kerry for being bad supporters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 15, 2019, 09:36:04 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 14, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
Another decent win.

It will be interesting to see if Tiernan McCann, Richie Donnelly and Hampsey return to the side. They had looked like nailed on starters, but who do you take out?

HP McGeary has never given me much confidence but has been decent. I was impressed yesterday with how solid Brennan and McNamee were. Meyler has worked and worked, he had some good kick passes too. I think people underestimate his footballing ability, maybe a bit like Dooher was once upon a time?

Hampsey might come in but I think Richie looks a bit one paced against the top teams and Croke Park will go against them. McCann will probably have to play his way back in from substitute appearances. Cassidy had a fairly quiet game yesterday but deserves his spot.

I'd imagine Hampsey will come in for HP if he's 100% fit and Kieran McGeary to come back in leaving McKernan/Cassidy to fight it out for one spot. Cassidy has been very quiet the past 2 games though so wouldn't be all that surprised if he missed out. Just to note Roscommon was a great visit for a championship game the Rossie fans were well up for it.

The u17s were very poor yesterday I thought particularly in the 2nd half. Didn't look to be any discernible game plan. It seemed to be they hoped big McGleenon would burst forward and create something. Monaghan kept Tyrone in it in the 2nd half with bad shooting but they were by far the better side.

The u20s were good value after a slow start. The 2nd goal before half time killed it. Canavan is awesome real buzz in the crowd when he got it and always did something productive with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 15, 2019, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 14, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
I'm finding it hard to resist the quote button on here but I will. Go back over the last season or two on here and read some of the comments re Cathal McShane. A fair proportion of 'experts' wrote him off and the criticism was over the top. Some of the commentary childish in fact.

Two years ago I cited Cathal's schedule for the 2 to 3 years around his U21/ senior career. He basically played for Club, two County teams and university 12 months of the year with his longest break 2 x weeks. I thought he was badly managed and a lot of errors were fatigue driven.

Cathal could score 0.3, and miss an easy one but the easy one would be remembered and accentuated.

Another major factor is Cathal went in to Tyrone seniors with very little experience compared to others. While most other players will play McCrory, or grade one youth football or division 1/ 2 Club football as a grounding Cathal didn't.

He played 8 x grade one youth games at most, and to date bar 14 division 2 games all his footballl has been played ary junior level.

This blunts your decision making, and leaves you slightly undercooked for the challenges you may face at Inter County level.

If the GAABoard panel had their way he'd of been off the squad 2 x years ago. However here we are today with the leading scorer in Ireland.

Now I'm not saying he's the best player in Ireland, nor is he immune from criticism and he'll hit 0.8 every week but he's doing alright.  He's earned his place and I for one am delighted to see it.

McShane's problem in previous years was his decision making, he would take on ridiculous shots with low success rate and when you're playing against the top teams those type of misses can kill you and just drain the confidence from the team. I thought some of the criticism of McShane was valid, some OTT but it was always with the caveat that he was/is young and he has plenty of time to develop his game and improve on where he was falling down.

He has been outstanding so far this year and hopefully he will keep it up, he seems to have worked extremely hard over the last few years and even in the light of the criticism he has received in past years, one thing you could certainly not accuse him of was his effort and the fact he never goes hiding in games whether he's playing well or not. His movement and finishing has been great but it's his composure this year that makes him look a different player. He looks to have developed a different style of kicking the ball too, maybe it's because he tends to only shoot now within a 30 yard range.

The problem is people don't give young lads coming in to a Tyrone squad a chance. One or two bad games and they are deemed not up to it. However the same posters on the various Premier League threads don't judge young soccer players the same. They 'have to get used to the pace of the game',or 'build experience' or 'learn their craft'.
Us Tyronies take serious abuse from the southern media, other counties, pundits etc. I think we should be backing our own as much as possible. This online discarding before they have a season or so on the clock is too harsh. See exhibit A Ben McDonnell. He's had a handful of senior IC games and he's already being written off. He may not be good enough, but give him a chance. Support our own and give them as good a chance as they can get.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 15, 2019, 11:22:36 AM
Norf you are spot on Cathal had a lot of detractors now he is being compared to Kieran Donaghey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 15, 2019, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 14, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
Another decent win.

It will be interesting to see if Tiernan McCann, Richie Donnelly and Hampsey return to the side. They had looked like nailed on starters, but who do you take out?

HP McGeary has never given me much confidence but has been decent. I was impressed yesterday with how solid Brennan and McNamee were. Meyler has worked and worked, he had some good kick passes too. I think people underestimate his footballing ability, maybe a bit like Dooher was once upon a time?
Hampsey if fit should start, he's your best man marker. His fitness is maybe the biggest factor for Tyrone going ahead to beat one of the big teams in Croke Park, don't see how they do it without him.
Tiernan McCann doesn't offer enough defensively to come back into that team.
Richie looked badly off the pace V Roscommon, only back from injury, but don't see who you drop to accommodate him.
Kieran McGeary has to be start, after mcshane he's probably Tyrone's  player of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
Wonder who'll cover the damage to cars then outside McAleers last night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 15, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
Wonder who'll cover the damage to cars then outside McAleers last night.

U-20s? What went on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 15, 2019, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 14, 2019, 08:27:18 AM
Looks like Tyrone are back to their brilliant, boring best.

A win against a provincial champion infront of a highly charged partisan crowd. Sure what's not to love.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
Wonder who'll cover the damage to cars then outside McAleers last night.

U-20s? What went on?

Videos going round of 3 or 4 on top of some young girls car jumping up and down. From what I hear they kicked a few goals, points and wingmirrors yesturday.

Good PR.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 15, 2019, 02:13:58 PM
Welcome to the world of having a county man from your club Norf and it wont get any better I'm afraid.
He'll play bad one day or miss an important score and they'll slate him again.
I remember well with Dooher and Stevie O'Neill.
I remember loads of lads saying Stevie should never have come back in 2008 and he wasn't the same player at all yet he was hitting unreal scores from the Hogan stand sideline.

Fair play to Cathal for being mentally strong and kept believing. A few years ago he got a baptism of fire v Neil McGee in Ballybofey and now he's top scorer in mid July.

However, having read a few articles over the weekend I would not be at all surprised to see Clifford, Mannion and Costello picked ahead of him. Especially if all three make it to the final. As someone said, Skeet didn't get a look in last year. RTE bias perhaps.
Enjoyed Tomas O Se last night though retorting to that p***k Brolly who hadn't one good word to say about our win against the Rossies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 03:51:58 PM
Tyrone currently sitting on 155 scored for the summer. 8:131. Need another 66 points to get the all time record. It wont last long even if we do get it but would be nice for a defensive team to hold that  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 15, 2019, 04:00:47 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 03:51:58 PM
Tyrone currently sitting on 155 scored for the summer. 8:131. Need another 66 points to get the all time record. It wont last long even if we do get it but would be nice for a defensive team to hold that  ;D ;D

That's extremely doable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 03:51:58 PM
Tyrone currently sitting on 155 scored for the summer. 8:131. Need another 66 points to get the all time record. It wont last long even if we do get it but would be nice for a defensive team to hold that  ;D ;D

Dublin couldn't be far away from that tally after hitting 5-18 in one game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on July 15, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 03:51:58 PM
Tyrone currently sitting on 155 scored for the summer. 8:131. Need another 66 points to get the all time record. It wont last long even if we do get it but would be nice for a defensive team to hold that  ;D ;D

Dublin couldn't be far away from that tally after hitting 5-18 in one game.

Dublin miles behind on 11-82. Dublin only played 4 games though, Tyrone have played 7
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 04:25:56 PM
Quote from: toby47 on July 15, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 03:51:58 PM
Tyrone currently sitting on 155 scored for the summer. 8:131. Need another 66 points to get the all time record. It wont last long even if we do get it but would be nice for a defensive team to hold that  ;D ;D

Dublin couldn't be far away from that tally after hitting 5-18 in one game.

Dublin miles behind on 11-82. Dublin only played 4 games though, Tyrone have played 7

Dublin were 56 points behind going into the weekend. Now only 40 points behind us after putting up that score. Dublin put up 69 points in two games against Louth and Cork. You'd really only see possibly the Roscommon game as the one they could put up a huge score in again this year but if they can average over 26.25 PPG over their 4 remaining games they too will break that 220 record.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on July 15, 2019, 06:25:18 PM
Missed the Under 20 game last night and hearing D Canavan orchestrated everything, couple of lovely scores apparently? Any reports on who else stood out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on July 15, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on July 15, 2019, 06:25:18 PM
Missed the Under 20 game last night and hearing D Canavan orchestrated everything, couple of lovely scores apparently? Any reports on who else stood out?

He scored a couple of nice ones but his assists were even better. Serious potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on July 15, 2019, 09:43:25 PM
watched the highlights there on TG4. Young Canavan is a good one. Spit of the father, the way he plays. Same run, head up, two feet, slipping tackles. If the U20s were out he'd be straight into the senior set up. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: phpearse on July 15, 2019, 09:43:25 PM
watched the highlights there on TG4. Young Canavan is a good one. Spit of the father, the way he plays. Same run, head up, two feet, slipping tackles. If the U20s were out he'd be straight into the senior set up.

Great shout though letting him continue with the U20's this year I think. He's got loads of time to play Sr, let him play now with his mates his own age and develop at the right pace. I can't find his exact age but I'm thinking he's 19 now??

No rush.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 16, 2019, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: GJL on July 15, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on July 15, 2019, 06:25:18 PM
Missed the Under 20 game last night and hearing D Canavan orchestrated everything, couple of lovely scores apparently? Any reports on who else stood out?

He scored a couple of nice ones but his assists were even better. Serious potential.

Seen one on twitter where he's rushed out from FF, held ball under serious pressure and took a right wee roll, hooked a pass without looking to the corner forward I think it was who slotted it over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on July 16, 2019, 10:30:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
Wonder who'll cover the damage to cars then outside McAleers last night.

U-20s? What went on?

Videos going round of 3 or 4 on top of some young girls car jumping up and down. From what I hear they kicked a few goals, points and wingmirrors yesturday.

Good PR.

Just seen this video.  Disgraceful scenes.  How these lads think this acceptable is beyond me!  If Paul Devlin punished lads (except for a certain Mr Canavan) for going out on a Monday night before a game at the weekend by removing them from the match day panel then surely he has to deal with these lads more severely. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on July 16, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 16, 2019, 10:30:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
Wonder who'll cover the damage to cars then outside McAleers last night.

U-20s? What went on?

Videos going round of 3 or 4 on top of some young girls car jumping up and down. From what I hear they kicked a few goals, points and wingmirrors yesturday.

Good PR.

Just seen this video.  Disgraceful scenes.  How these lads think this acceptable is beyond me!  If Paul Devlin punished lads (except for a certain Mr Canavan) for going out on a Monday night before a game at the weekend by removing them from the match day panel then surely he has to deal with these lads more severely.

Is that true? That's a dangerous road to be going down if you are a coach!

Have not seen the video but heard its pretty poor viewing. Some of these lads (and that includes in the senior panel) would need to cop themselves on. That kind of behaviour is out of line in any circumstance but do these guys not realise that everything they do is going to end up being videoed. (My thoughts on the morons who feel that everything that happens anywhere has to be recorded and posted on social media is  a separate rant!).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 16, 2019, 12:27:32 PM
Actually I think jumping on cars after a night on the drink a lot worse and more news worthy than some carry on signing on a bus but there you go.

These boys will be turning up to training tonight rather sheepishly I'd have thought.

They are young lads though, everyone makes mistakes....as TabClear points out, they surely, surely knew someone would have had the mobile out though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on July 16, 2019, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: TabClear on July 16, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 16, 2019, 10:30:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
Wonder who'll cover the damage to cars then outside McAleers last night.

U-20s? What went on?

Videos going round of 3 or 4 on top of some young girls car jumping up and down. From what I hear they kicked a few goals, points and wingmirrors yesturday.

Good PR.

Just seen this video.  Disgraceful scenes.  How these lads think this acceptable is beyond me!  If Paul Devlin punished lads (except for a certain Mr Canavan) for going out on a Monday night before a game at the weekend by removing them from the match day panel then surely he has to deal with these lads more severely.

Is that true? That's a dangerous road to be going down if you are a coach!

Have not seen the video but heard its pretty poor viewing. Some of these lads (and that includes in the senior panel) would need to cop themselves on. That kind of behaviour is out of line in any circumstance but do these guys not realise that everything they do is going to end up being videoed. (My thoughts on the morons who feel that everything that happens anywhere has to be recorded and posted on social media is  a separate rant!).

I was informed of that by a lad on the panel who lost his sub jersey because he went out.  I have no problems with lads being punished for breaking rules set by the panel/management but it has to consistent.  You punish all the rule breakers the same or none at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on July 16, 2019, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 16, 2019, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: TabClear on July 16, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 16, 2019, 10:30:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 15, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
Wonder who'll cover the damage to cars then outside McAleers last night.

U-20s? What went on?

Videos going round of 3 or 4 on top of some young girls car jumping up and down. From what I hear they kicked a few goals, points and wingmirrors yesturday.

Good PR.

Just seen this video.  Disgraceful scenes.  How these lads think this acceptable is beyond me!  If Paul Devlin punished lads (except for a certain Mr Canavan) for going out on a Monday night before a game at the weekend by removing them from the match day panel then surely he has to deal with these lads more severely.

Is that true? That's a dangerous road to be going down if you are a coach!

Have not seen the video but heard its pretty poor viewing. Some of these lads (and that includes in the senior panel) would need to cop themselves on. That kind of behaviour is out of line in any circumstance but do these guys not realise that everything they do is going to end up being videoed. (My thoughts on the morons who feel that everything that happens anywhere has to be recorded and posted on social media is  a separate rant!).

I was informed of that by a lad on the panel who lost his sub jersey because he went out.  I have no problems with lads being punished for breaking rules set by the panel/management but it has to consistent.  You punish all the rule breakers the same or none at all.

Absolutely. As soon as you start treating 1/2 players differently to the rest you are likely to have a major issue at some point
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 16, 2019, 12:54:07 PM
Was young canavan not dropped off the panel for one of the games too. The final against Sligo?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2019, 01:23:04 PM
When lads are dropped is it because they are drinking or simply because they are going out? Surely a young lad can go out 5/6 days before a match and not take a drink.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2019, 01:24:10 PM
On a separate note... Good article by Brendan Crossan on Cathal McShane in the Irish News

The making of Owen Roe's blue-collar hero Cathal McShane
Brendan Crossan delves into the career of the Championship's top scorer and man of the moment Cathal McShane and his astonishing rise to prominence at the head of the Red Hand attack...

Tyrone's Cathal McShane has morphed into an outstanding full-forward as the Red Hands pursue another All-Ireland crown Picture by Philip Walsh
     
BRENDAN CROSSAN
13 July, 2019 01:00

ANY time Michael McShane ran into 'Duck' McCay he'd roll his eyes in mock dismay. One look from Michael was enough to tell 'Duck' that another piece of guttering at the top of his house had taken a battering.

It was there where Michael's son Cathal honed his kicking and catching skills.

'Duck' was one of the Owen Roe O'Neill's coaches that planted the seed in young McShane.

"Cathal's father used to complain to me because he'd kick the ball up on the roof and he'd catch it coming down," says 'Duck', now vice-chairman of the west Tyrone intermediate club.

"Occasionally the spouting would come off. Cathal did that constantly, practising catching the ball using both feet."

Gerard Porter introduced the skinny flame-haired kid to senior football in August 2012, coming off the bench in the club's junior championship defeat to Brackaville.

A few weeks later, the wide-eyed 17-year-old earned his first start for the Owen Roe seniors, scoring in a convincing nine-point win over Glenelly.

"What he had over the rest of the players of his age was he listened," recalls Porter, who enjoyed two managerial spells with his club.

"Cathal would have sat on the changing room floor with his legs crossed because there were no seats. He'd look up at that white board and he listened."

McShane became involved in Tyrone's development squads from 2009 before graduating to Mickey Donnelly's minor team in 2013 where he earned a reputation for being a great impact sub.

"He actually would have made it as a goalkeeper," insists 'Duck', who nurtured the vast majority of the youth around Owen Roe's.

"He kept goal for us in the minor championship final when he was only 14. The first time he went to trials for county minors I wanted him to go as a goalkeeper because I thought he would have made it as a goalkeeper, but he wanted to make it out the field."

For a time during his early teens it wasn't certain McShane would throw his lot in with Tyrone.

A fine soccer player, he played in the Milk Cup for Co Tyrone in 2012 and scored one of the goals that saw the Red Hands topple the mighty Manchester United, the first time in the competition's 30-year history that the Old Trafford club lost to a county side.

But once he turned down a soccer scholarship in America it was clear where McShane's heart lay.

During the early years, McShane and Owen Roe's experienced enough near-misses to last them a life-time, losing an U16 Grade Three league final in 2010 and the Grade Two decider the following year.

Also in 2010 he picked up another runners-up medal - as the goalkeeper 'Duck' always imagined him to be - at minor level.

The following year he finally got his hands on a winner's medal in a Grade Three League final against Aghaloo, the-then 16-year-old hitting five points in the decider.





Cathal McShane (centre) keeping his eye on the ball against Aghyaran U13s


Saturday July 6 2019: All-Ireland Round Three Qualifier: Cavan 0-7 Tyrone 1-20

RAPTUROUS applause rang out from the Gerry Arthurs stand as Cathal McShane was called ashore by Mickey Harte in the second half, with a place in the All-Ireland Super 8s already secured.

Tyrone's re-designed full-forward didn't have many possessions in the game but when he did Cavan couldn't contain him.

Porter was, quite literally, bursting with pride as he watched the player he gave his senior debut to seven years earlier.

The wiry kid from Sigerson country, with the unrecognisable physique and explosive pace, ripping up the Championship.

"I was down in Clones and I was sitting with my wife and my wee boy and I was just admiring him," says Porter.

"I was just thinking: 'Jeez, fair play to you...'

"When you hear people around you talking about him – you obviously don't get involved in the conversation – but you're listening to it and thinking: 'Little do they know how close I was to that young fella.'"

Here he was, young Cathal, thriving on the big stage, carrying the flag for Owen Roe's and following in the footsteps of clubmen Declan McCrossan and Brendan Boggs who also graduated to the Tyrone seniors during the 'Noughties'.

With a sardonic grin, 'Duck' adds: "At Owen Roe's we're inclined to come in ones."

McShane's two second-half points against Cavan were outrageous, accepting a kick pass both times, one each from Peter Harte and Kieran McGeary before turning and firing over the bar.

"Paudie Faulkner is one of the strongest full-backs in the game and Cathal was shrugging him off as if he wasn't there," says former Tyrone great Peter Canavan, who guided the Owen Roe's man to the U21 All-Ireland title in 2015.

"Cathal wouldn't have done that two years ago. His first touch and handling have improved and also his decision-making. Over the past couple of years he was taking shots when there were other options. He's not as shot-happy; he's shooting when it's the right time to shoot."

Canavan, Fergal Logan and Brian Dooher were the men behind the class of 2015. After edging out Tipperary in a memorable U21 All-Ireland final in Parnell Park, man-of-the-match McShane was one of the first Harte called upon for senior duty.

A couple of months later McShane was thrown in at the deep for Tyrone's ill-fated Ulster preliminary round defeat to Donegal in rainy Ballybofey.

It didn't go well, but the experience was banked all the same.

"Cathal was probably thrown into the team a bit quicker than Mickey would normally do because Tyrone were really searching for forwards around that time and needed a lead attacker," says Tyrone's three-time All-Ireland winner Philip Jordan.

McShane was raw as ropes, but he would come again. He'd too much natural ability and athleticism not to carve out a decent inter-county career for himself.

"At U21," Canavan explains, "we played him primarily at midfield because he had good hands, he was well able to win his own ball, he could get up and down the pitch and he could score. As far as we were concerned he was another Sean Cavanagh in our team. He loved taking men on and loved to score...

"At the start of each year, Tyrone would meet up and I remember Art McRory would gather the squad round and he'd tell the new recruits the only thing he could guarantee them was pain.

"Pain of losing, because it was inevitable we'd lose games, pain in terms of injuries, pain in terms of the sacrifices they'd have to make and the pain of trying to compete in inter-county football. He was saying to them that they were no longer playing U21 football."

A hard road lay ahead for McShane and his U21 team-mates as Harte set about rebuilding the senior squad.

"I think Cathal struggled tactically when he came into the team," says Jordan.

"I remember it was an Ulster semi-final replay against Cavan a few seasons ago [2016] and Peter Donnelly was running the line on that side and he was constantly giving Cathal instructions about where to be.

"It looked to me that he maybe wasn't picking up the gameplan as quick. People might say it's a very simple system, getting men behind the ball, but it's actually not that simple; it's about getting people in the right positions.

"There's a lot of work that goes into it, and you could see the work the management were putting into Cathal. They knew the talent was there – it was a matter of getting him to understand the game more."

***

AS a guest pundit on last week's Sunday Game, Malachy O'Rourke shone a light on the subtle changes to Tyrone's attack in 2019 and pin-pointed McShane's emergence.

"If you're looking for improvement in Tyrone Cathal McShane is a key figure for them," said the former Monaghan manager.

"Last year Mark Bradley was playing inside and his movement was sometimes away from the goals, whereas the ball is being played to Cathal McShane and he's in a very central area.

"[In last year's All-Ireland final] Tyrone had 16 wides compared to Dublin's six wides, so they had lots of play, lots of chances but they weren't getting them in the high-percentage scoring zone.

"With Cathal McShane in there he's giving them a focal point... he's more likely to be scoring from that area, and I think that's a massive thing going forward for Tyrone."

After hitting five points from play in Tyrone's Ulster prelim joust with Derry at Celtic Park in May, he was equally dangerous against Antrim.

Over the past six or seven years, Ricky Johnston has emerged as one of the best defenders in Antrim.

While studying at Jordanstown, the Creggan Kickhams man marked McShane while at St Mary's for roughly 20 minutes in a game.

Once he saddled up to the Owen Roes for their Ulster clash at The Athletic Grounds at the end of May, Johnston couldn't believe the physical transformation in McShane.

"As well as him being good, the ball that is provided for him is high quality," said Johnston.

"They hit a lot of cross-field balls against us which is difficult to defend against. He's got everything as a full forward; he's explosive, he's big and he never stops moving."

Backing up O'Rourke's canny observation, Johnston added: "He stays around the 'D' and tries to make as much space within that small radius. He doesn't drift too far from goal, which means he can maybe take his man on for a goal or pop it over."

Canavan also cites the departure of his U21 team-mate Mark Bradley and the introduction of the 'attacking mark', trialled during the National League, that perhaps prompted Mickey Harte to go for a ball-winning full-forward who would generally stay between the posts.

"If you look at the amount of passes he receives inside the scoring zone I think that's crucial," Canavan says.

"That's the toughest place to be winning it but it's the most effective. And if he can continue to do that he gives Tyrone a serious attacking option.

"Two years ago Cathal wouldn't have stayed in there when there was no ball coming in. I think he knows his role in the team and his part in the system.

"While he mightn't have seen much action in the first 20 or 30 minutes against Cavan, the longer the game went on the more ball he got. So he was rewarded for his patience in there."

While Tyrone have blazed a trail through this summer's Qualifiers to reach the Super 8s, the Donegal defeat in the Ulster semis remains a mystery – at least for those outside the camp.

Tyrone may only have lost by four points, but it was a four-point hammering.

On the face of it, McShane had a subdued night in Breffni Park – but on closer inspection the 23-year-old couldn't have done much more with 16 possessions, many of which were hard-earned.

With his first three touches he assisted for Tyrone's two opening points and set up a goal chance. He pointed with his sixth touch and faced with two men at all times he broke two balls he had no right to break.

The only possession he lost in the game was just before the interval.

As Kieran McGeary, Colm Cavanagh and Paudie Hampsey aimed hopeless balls into his general vicinity, McShane remained Tyrone's most potent weapon on the night, creating a late goal chance for Michael Cassidy that should have been the momentum changer for an out-of-sorts Tyrone.

Even when Tyrone faltered, McShane's performance levels remained high.

Top scorer in this year's Championship with 2-30, he has been the outstanding player in the country.

"Probably up until last year it was 50-50 whether the ball was going over the bar or not. He has now become a deadly finisher; when he takes a shot you're pretty certain he's going to score," says Jordan.

"He's been that focal point of the attack that Tyrone needed. Tyrone have shifted back to their older style a bit but he's still able to cause defences problems... He has an understanding of the tactical side of the game, and that's the biggest challenge he seems to have faced.

"For inside forwards it's a lot different now. You used to see them making a big run out the pitch to the ball. Now, no player is making a 50-yard run from the inside to get possession – it's five or 10-metre sprints and that's really where Cathal has surprised people with his explosiveness, plus he has that physical strength to go along with it. It's great to have that burst of pace but if you don't have the strength, defenders are still going to get their hands on you."





Young Cathal McShane starting to flourish with Owen Roe minors in 2013
THE Owen Roe's contingent will be out in force again today cheering on Cathal as Tyrone open their Super 8s account against Roscommon.

It's not just his talent that they laud. It's Cathal himself. He's always around the club, even for starred games, he's chatting and always making time for the youngsters.

The flattering headlines and the hype won't change him one iota because he came from humble roots and that's how he'll remain.

'Duck' says: "The influence he's having on the younger boys at the club is incredible – they all look up to him and want to emulate him."

"If he won the All-Ireland, it would be somebody who deserved it, somebody who deserved to flourish," says Gerard Porter.

"You see players and you think: 'He's got too big for his boots.' But not Cathal. You should see him with the kids at the club. He's just got something different. He's the Pied Piper
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on July 16, 2019, 06:43:03 PM
Just watched the Roscommon game again - came on here just to talk about McShane. He is flying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on July 17, 2019, 08:05:15 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
Shoe in for an All Star this year.

Wont be far away but only if Tyrone get to the final but to name a few from just 2 other teams who will be there their abouts and most likely be in the final- Clifford (Guaranteed), Mannion (Guaranteed) so really he's up against McBrearty, Geaney & Costello in my opinion..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 17, 2019, 10:31:16 AM
Mannion? Strange to pick him as a guaranteed AS. Surely O'Callaghan would be ahead of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 17, 2019, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2019, 10:31:16 AM
Mannion? Strange to pick him as a guaranteed AS. Surely O'Callaghan would be ahead of him.

Eh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 17, 2019, 01:13:59 PM
"Duck" from Owen Roes is a character I'd say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on July 17, 2019, 01:18:27 PM
Costello wasn't fantastic against cork. Rock better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 17, 2019, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 17, 2019, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2019, 10:31:16 AM
Mannion? Strange to pick him as a guaranteed AS. Surely O'Callaghan would be ahead of him.

Eh?

I'm saying, imo, Con O'Callaghan is much more nailed on for an all star versus Mannion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on July 17, 2019, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on July 17, 2019, 08:05:15 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
Shoe in for an All Star this year.

Wont be far away but only if Tyrone get to the final but to name a few from just 2 other teams who will be there their abouts and most likely be in the final- Clifford (Guaranteed), Mannion (Guaranteed) so really he's up against McBrearty, Geaney & Costello in my opinion..

Would like to see mcshane get one. Good honest no nonsense player, no diving etc. He's playing out of his skin and has really developed this year. I wouldn't say anyone is guaranteed though. The really high profile games are still to come. Brian hurley is having a superb season also, as is micky newman. If cork were to beat tyrone to the 2nd place in the group hurley will probably jump ahead of mcshane in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: Ireland2019 on July 17, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
The u20 team (apart from the  car jumping carry on) look to be a decent side. Can we expect  a good amount of them to push on to senior in the next few years?

I find it very hard to find info on the ages of the Tyrone panel, but a large amount of them are from the 2011/12 U21 panels so would be around 27/28 years old at the moment.

Players around that 28 years of age are Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee, Tiernan McCann, Mattie Donnelly

Niall Sludden, Richie Donnely & Skeet, are 27 I think.

Colm Cav is about 31/32. Coney is 29 but still on the fringes.

All in all the squad age profile is very health at the moment with a lot of them coming from the 2015 u21 AI winning panel. Padraig Hampsey, Michael Cassidy, Kieran McGeary; Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, and Conor Meyler.

You've also got Brennan and Bradley from that panel possibly available next year too.


These lads will have a hell of a fight to make inroads in the next few seasons but that's exactly what we need to do. Keep on freshening up the squad with younger hungry players. Keep pressure on everyone for their places.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 18, 2019, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: Ireland2019 on July 17, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
The u20 team (apart from the  car jumping carry on) look to be a decent side. Can we expect  a good amount of them to push on to senior in the next few years?

I find it very hard to find info on the ages of the Tyrone panel, but a large amount of them are from the 2011/12 U21 panels so would be around 27/28 years old at the moment.

Players around that 28 years of age are Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee, Tiernan McCann, Mattie Donnelly

Niall Sludden, Richie Donnely & Skeet, are 27 I think.

Colm Cav is about 31/32. Coney is 29 but still on the fringes.

All in all the squad age profile is very health at the moment with a lot of them coming from the 2015 u21 AI winning panel. Padraig Hampsey, Michael Cassidy, Kieran McGeary; Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, and Conor Meyler.

You've also got Brennan and Bradley from that panel possibly available next year too.


These lads will have a hell of a fight to make inroads in the next few seasons but that's exactly what we need to do. Keep on freshening up the squad with younger hungry players. Keep pressure on everyone for their places.

You've got Murnaghan and Canavan who were with the seniors earlier and will obviously be coming back in soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 18, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
Is this Darragh Canavan's last year at u20?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
Is this Darragh Canavan's last year at u20?

Was U17 in 2017 so you'd think he has another year. He was to turn 19 in 2019 but I don't know when so it'[s very hard to know.

I think he'll be in the Sr panel next year regardless.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on July 18, 2019, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
Is this Darragh Canavan's last year at u20?

He's still U20 next year along with Matthew Murnaghan.

Of the Starting team from the Ulster Final the following are still U20 next year - Lorcan Quinn, Conor Quinn, Antoin Fox, Joe Oguz, Darragh Canavan, Tiarnan Quinn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on July 18, 2019, 07:47:55 PM
Winners of Kerry / Cork U20 live on tg4 tonight play Tyrone in the semis
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 08:54:47 PM
Cork it is. Awful pity that game couldn't be played ahead of the Sr game in Croker.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 18, 2019, 09:04:15 PM
Bit of a blow losing Peter Donnelly to the Ulster rugby setup. Fair play though to Donnelly great move for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 09:19:27 PM
Aye forgot to mention that alright. Big loss for the camp but it's a no brainer really for a guy like him. 9-5 job in a FT professional environment and you'd hazard a guess that the pay is a fair bit better too. Wish him all the very best of luck with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on July 18, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
That is a loss....when did that happen??.... I hadn't seen him around or mentioned alot lately...?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 09:36:11 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 18, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
That is a loss....when did that happen??.... I hadn't seen him around or mentioned alot lately...?

I heard on Newstalks podcast this morning I think so must have been just announced.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 18, 2019, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 09:36:11 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 18, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
That is a loss....when did that happen??.... I hadn't seen him around or mentioned alot lately...?

I heard on Newstalks podcast this morning I think so must have been just announced.

When does he take up that post then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 09:48:43 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: Ireland2019 on July 17, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
The u20 team (apart from the  car jumping carry on) look to be a decent side. Can we expect  a good amount of them to push on to senior in the next few years?

I find it very hard to find info on the ages of the Tyrone panel, but a large amount of them are from the 2011/12 U21 panels so would be around 27/28 years old at the moment.

Players around that 28 years of age are Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee, Tiernan McCann, Mattie Donnelly

Niall Sludden, Richie Donnely & Skeet, are 27 I think.

Colm Cav is about 31/32. Coney is 29 but still on the fringes.

All in all the squad age profile is very health at the moment with a lot of them coming from the 2015 u21 AI winning panel. Padraig Hampsey, Michael Cassidy, Kieran McGeary; Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, and Conor Meyler.

You've also got Brennan and Bradley from that panel possibly available next year too.


These lads will have a hell of a fight to make inroads in the next few seasons but that's exactly what we need to do. Keep on freshening up the squad with younger hungry players. Keep pressure on everyone for their places.

Think McCrory and Cavanagh the only players in their 30s in the squad.

Harte, Coney, McNabb and Mattie were all in their final year of minor in 2008 so either are now 29 or will turn 29 at some point this year.

Morgan, McCann, McAliskey and McNamee were all a year after that so are 28 or will turn 28 at some point this year.

Sludden, Richie Donnelly, HP McGeary and Grugan were minor in 2010 so are 27 or will turn 27 at some point this year.

McCurry, McClure, C McCann, Loughran, Brendan Burns are the year after that so would be 26 or will be at some point this year.

K McGeary, McLaughlin, R Brennan, Meyler, Hampsey and Cassidy were all in their final year u21 in 2015 so are 25 or will be at some point this year. Mark Bradley is in this bracket too and I think Ronan McHugh also falls into that age bracket.

F Burns and McShane had another year u21 after that so would be 24 or will turn it at some point this year.

O'Donnell, Mulgrew, Rafferty and McKernan are all 22 or will be at some point this year.

Gallen and Kennedy were u20 last year so are 21 or will be at some point this year.


Not sure if I missed anybody?


I think the squad needs a fair bit of freshening up for next season - the likes of C McCann, McClure, Loughran, B Burns, R McHugh, McNabb, Coney, Grugan are some of the guys who have had a number of years on the panel at various stages over the years and never really looked like nailing a starting spot. Maybe some of them have something to offer but I think they might see the writing on the wall like Ronan O'Neill did earlier this year. They're all mid to late 20s so they should have established themselves by now.

I think we have a few good prospects around the midfield area. Gormley has been impressive for the u20s, I'd say Conn Kilpatrick would have got a call up only for a bad injury during the club championship last year. Mattie McGleenan's young lad looks like he will be a big prospect in a few years time. Paudie McNulty might come back in next year. So I'd say a few of C McCann, McClure and Grugan may opt out or be cut.

I think there are a lot of lads who probably deserve a chance in the county set up next winter - a few who have caught my eye apart from those listed above would be Michael O'Neill (Ardboe) Nathan Donnelly (Killyclogher) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Coleman (Moy) Emmett McNabb (Dromore) and a few others.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 10:00:51 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on July 18, 2019, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
Is this Darragh Canavan's last year at u20?

He's still U20 next year along with Matthew Murnaghan.

Of the Starting team from the Ulster Final the following are still U20 next year - Lorcan Quinn, Conor Quinn, Antoin Fox, Joe Oguz, Darragh Canavan, Tiarnan Quinn.

What's the story with Murnaghan?

He hasn't take any part in the Ulster Championship so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 18, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Sorry to hear that Peter Donnelly is leaving. Great lad who brought tyrones fitness to a new level. Good luck to him in his new job, he will be hard to replace. Which of the hartes is taking over from him anyway?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 10:07:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 18, 2019, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 09:36:11 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 18, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
That is a loss....when did that happen??.... I hadn't seen him around or mentioned alot lately...?

I heard on Newstalks podcast this morning I think so must have been just announced.

When does he take up that post then?

They didn't mention it iirc. Sure what does it really matter when he goes now. All the hard work in that area is already done for this year. Everything from here to the end of the Sr season is just topping up the hard work he and the players have already done.

The big positive I guess is that we know now in good time to get someone new in place for next year and we really need to target the very best that's out there. It's almost cliche now but or S&C really does allow us to be flat track bullies over teams just a little level below us and hopefully by the end of this summer it'll be what allows us to compete at the very top level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 10:07:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 18, 2019, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 09:36:11 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 18, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
That is a loss....when did that happen??.... I hadn't seen him around or mentioned alot lately...?

I heard on Newstalks podcast this morning I think so must have been just announced.

When does he take up that post then?

They didn't mention it iirc. Sure what does it really matter when he goes now. All the hard work in that area is already done for this year. Everything from here to the end of the Sr season is just topping up the hard work he and the players have already done.

The big positive I guess is that we know now in good time to get someone new in place for next year and we really need to target the very best that's out there. It's almost cliche now but or S&C really does allow us to be flat track bullies over teams just a little level below us and hopefully by the end of this summer it'll be what allows us to compete at the very top level.

I think people vastly underestimate the full extent of Donnelly's work, he is absolutely vital in the tactical aspect of our play and he is the main orchestrator on the sideline. He is constantly shouting out instructions from the sideline.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 10:35:37 PM
Fair enough, I was thinking purely in terms of S&C not in match stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 11:13:19 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 10:35:37 PM
Fair enough, I was thinking purely in terms of S&C not in match stuff.

Absolutely but I think the S&C is one only one facet on his work.

It's a big blow for Tyrone football across all grades.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 09:48:43 PM

Think McCrory and Cavanagh the only players in their 30s in the squad.

Harte, Coney, McNabb and Mattie were all in their final year of minor in 2008 so either are now 29 or will turn 29 at some point this year.

Morgan, McCann, McAliskey and McNamee were all a year after that so are 28 or will turn 28 at some point this year.

Sludden, Richie Donnelly, HP McGeary and Grugan were minor in 2010 so are 27 or will turn 27 at some point this year.

McCurry, McClure, C McCann, Loughran, Brendan Burns are the year after that so would be 26 or will be at some point this year.

K McGeary, McLaughlin, R Brennan, Meyler, Hampsey and Cassidy were all in their final year u21 in 2015 so are 25 or will be at some point this year. Mark Bradley is in this bracket too and I think Ronan McHugh also falls into that age bracket.

F Burns and McShane had another year u21 after that so would be 24 or will turn it at some point this year.

O'Donnell, Mulgrew, Rafferty and McKernan are all 22 or will be at some point this year.

Gallen and Kennedy were u20 last year so are 21 or will be at some point this year.


Not sure if I missed anybody?


I think the squad needs a fair bit of freshening up for next season - the likes of C McCann, McClure, Loughran, B Burns, R McHugh, McNabb, Coney, Grugan are some of the guys who have had a number of years on the panel at various stages over the years and never really looked like nailing a starting spot. Maybe some of them have something to offer but I think they might see the writing on the wall like Ronan O'Neill did earlier this year. They're all mid to late 20s so they should have established themselves by now.

I think we have a few good prospects around the midfield area. Gormley has been impressive for the u20s, I'd say Conn Kilpatrick would have got a call up only for a bad injury during the club championship last year. Mattie McGleenan's young lad looks like he will be a big prospect in a few years time. Paudie McNulty might come back in next year. So I'd say a few of C McCann, McClure and Grugan may opt out or be cut.

I think there are a lot of lads who probably deserve a chance in the county set up next winter - a few who have caught my eye apart from those listed above would be Michael O'Neill (Ardboe) Nathan Donnelly (Killyclogher) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Coleman (Moy) Emmett McNabb (Dromore) and a few others.

Cheers for the full run down Angelo. Really useful info to have given to surprising difficulty there is to find a lot of players ages anywhere on line. I was going by minor and u21 teams years for a lot of them but it's still kinda guesswork to be exact.

Agree we need a few lads to come in. I meant I think it's going to be very hard for them to break onto the starting 15 at the moment as the lads on that Colm aside are all of a very good age profile but we need to keep on refreshing the panel. One good thing about the current squad is I don't think there's anyone there that Mickey will hold onto for too long past their use like perhaps he did with the 2008 AI winning team. If a young buck is good enough now he's getting his chance by and large.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on July 19, 2019, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 09:48:43 PM

Think McCrory and Cavanagh the only players in their 30s in the squad.

Harte, Coney, McNabb and Mattie were all in their final year of minor in 2008 so either are now 29 or will turn 29 at some point this year.

Morgan, McCann, McAliskey and McNamee were all a year after that so are 28 or will turn 28 at some point this year.

Sludden, Richie Donnelly, HP McGeary and Grugan were minor in 2010 so are 27 or will turn 27 at some point this year.

McCurry, McClure, C McCann, Loughran, Brendan Burns are the year after that so would be 26 or will be at some point this year.

K McGeary, McLaughlin, R Brennan, Meyler, Hampsey and Cassidy were all in their final year u21 in 2015 so are 25 or will be at some point this year. Mark Bradley is in this bracket too and I think Ronan McHugh also falls into that age bracket.

F Burns and McShane had another year u21 after that so would be 24 or will turn it at some point this year.

O'Donnell, Mulgrew, Rafferty and McKernan are all 22 or will be at some point this year.

Gallen and Kennedy were u20 last year so are 21 or will be at some point this year.


Not sure if I missed anybody?


I think the squad needs a fair bit of freshening up for next season - the likes of C McCann, McClure, Loughran, B Burns, R McHugh, McNabb, Coney, Grugan are some of the guys who have had a number of years on the panel at various stages over the years and never really looked like nailing a starting spot. Maybe some of them have something to offer but I think they might see the writing on the wall like Ronan O'Neill did earlier this year. They're all mid to late 20s so they should have established themselves by now.

I think we have a few good prospects around the midfield area. Gormley has been impressive for the u20s, I'd say Conn Kilpatrick would have got a call up only for a bad injury during the club championship last year. Mattie McGleenan's young lad looks like he will be a big prospect in a few years time. Paudie McNulty might come back in next year. So I'd say a few of C McCann, McClure and Grugan may opt out or be cut.

I think there are a lot of lads who probably deserve a chance in the county set up next winter - a few who have caught my eye apart from those listed above would be Michael O'Neill (Ardboe) Nathan Donnelly (Killyclogher) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Coleman (Moy) Emmett McNabb (Dromore) and a few others.

Cheers for the full run down Angelo. Really useful info to have given to surprising difficulty there is to find a lot of players ages anywhere on line. I was going by minor and u21 teams years for a lot of them but it's still kinda guesswork to be exact.

Agree we need a few lads to come in. I meant I think it's going to be very hard for them to break onto the starting 15 at the moment as the lads on that Colm aside are all of a very good age profile but we need to keep on refreshing the panel. One good thing about the current squad is I don't think there's anyone there that Mickey will hold onto for too long past their use like perhaps he did with the 2008 AI winning team. If a young buck is good enough now he's getting his chance by and large.
Aiden McCrory, Ben McDonnell, Tiernan McCann are just names off players who always get chances and opportunities even though they are not good enough.
How, even still, Rory Brennan never established himself as a starter shows it is not always the best who get the chance or opportunity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 19, 2019, 06:49:36 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on July 19, 2019, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 09:48:43 PM

Think McCrory and Cavanagh the only players in their 30s in the squad.

Harte, Coney, McNabb and Mattie were all in their final year of minor in 2008 so either are now 29 or will turn 29 at some point this year.

Morgan, McCann, McAliskey and McNamee were all a year after that so are 28 or will turn 28 at some point this year.

Sludden, Richie Donnelly, HP McGeary and Grugan were minor in 2010 so are 27 or will turn 27 at some point this year.

McCurry, McClure, C McCann, Loughran, Brendan Burns are the year after that so would be 26 or will be at some point this year.

K McGeary, McLaughlin, R Brennan, Meyler, Hampsey and Cassidy were all in their final year u21 in 2015 so are 25 or will be at some point this year. Mark Bradley is in this bracket too and I think Ronan McHugh also falls into that age bracket.

F Burns and McShane had another year u21 after that so would be 24 or will turn it at some point this year.

O'Donnell, Mulgrew, Rafferty and McKernan are all 22 or will be at some point this year.

Gallen and Kennedy were u20 last year so are 21 or will be at some point this year.


Not sure if I missed anybody?


I think the squad needs a fair bit of freshening up for next season - the likes of C McCann, McClure, Loughran, B Burns, R McHugh, McNabb, Coney, Grugan are some of the guys who have had a number of years on the panel at various stages over the years and never really looked like nailing a starting spot. Maybe some of them have something to offer but I think they might see the writing on the wall like Ronan O'Neill did earlier this year. They're all mid to late 20s so they should have established themselves by now.

I think we have a few good prospects around the midfield area. Gormley has been impressive for the u20s, I'd say Conn Kilpatrick would have got a call up only for a bad injury during the club championship last year. Mattie McGleenan's young lad looks like he will be a big prospect in a few years time. Paudie McNulty might come back in next year. So I'd say a few of C McCann, McClure and Grugan may opt out or be cut.

I think there are a lot of lads who probably deserve a chance in the county set up next winter - a few who have caught my eye apart from those listed above would be Michael O'Neill (Ardboe) Nathan Donnelly (Killyclogher) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Coleman (Moy) Emmett McNabb (Dromore) and a few others.

Cheers for the full run down Angelo. Really useful info to have given to surprising difficulty there is to find a lot of players ages anywhere on line. I was going by minor and u21 teams years for a lot of them but it's still kinda guesswork to be exact.

Agree we need a few lads to come in. I meant I think it's going to be very hard for them to break onto the starting 15 at the moment as the lads on that Colm aside are all of a very good age profile but we need to keep on refreshing the panel. One good thing about the current squad is I don't think there's anyone there that Mickey will hold onto for too long past their use like perhaps he did with the 2008 AI winning team. If a young buck is good enough now he's getting his chance by and large.
Aiden McCrory, Ben McDonnell, Tiernan McCann are just names off players who always get chances and opportunities even though they are not good enough.
How, even still, Rory Brennan never established himself as a starter shows it is not always the best who get the chance or opportunity.

Up until this year, Tiernan McCann has thoroughly deserved his starting spot with Tyrone.

McDonnell has also had a good year this year and lost his place on the back of a poor display against Donegal but has done fairly well off the bench in the subsequent games.

McCrory is much maligned, he hasn't got many starts in the past couple of years in any case.

Rory Brennan can feel a little harshly done in the past that he has been in and out of the side but he's currently enjoying a good run of games and has started the last 3 and looks to have nailed down a spot at corner back.

Every manager is going to have their favourites and have players they trust that not every supporter rates or vice versa.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on July 19, 2019, 08:17:11 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on July 19, 2019, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 09:48:43 PM

Think McCrory and Cavanagh the only players in their 30s in the squad.

Harte, Coney, McNabb and Mattie were all in their final year of minor in 2008 so either are now 29 or will turn 29 at some point this year.

Morgan, McCann, McAliskey and McNamee were all a year after that so are 28 or will turn 28 at some point this year.

Sludden, Richie Donnelly, HP McGeary and Grugan were minor in 2010 so are 27 or will turn 27 at some point this year.

McCurry, McClure, C McCann, Loughran, Brendan Burns are the year after that so would be 26 or will be at some point this year.

K McGeary, McLaughlin, R Brennan, Meyler, Hampsey and Cassidy were all in their final year u21 in 2015 so are 25 or will be at some point this year. Mark Bradley is in this bracket too and I think Ronan McHugh also falls into that age bracket.

F Burns and McShane had another year u21 after that so would be 24 or will turn it at some point this year.

O'Donnell, Mulgrew, Rafferty and McKernan are all 22 or will be at some point this year.

Gallen and Kennedy were u20 last year so are 21 or will be at some point this year.


Not sure if I missed anybody?


I think the squad needs a fair bit of freshening up for next season - the likes of C McCann, McClure, Loughran, B Burns, R McHugh, McNabb, Coney, Grugan are some of the guys who have had a number of years on the panel at various stages over the years and never really looked like nailing a starting spot. Maybe some of them have something to offer but I think they might see the writing on the wall like Ronan O'Neill did earlier this year. They're all mid to late 20s so they should have established themselves by now.

I think we have a few good prospects around the midfield area. Gormley has been impressive for the u20s, I'd say Conn Kilpatrick would have got a call up only for a bad injury during the club championship last year. Mattie McGleenan's young lad looks like he will be a big prospect in a few years time. Paudie McNulty might come back in next year. So I'd say a few of C McCann, McClure and Grugan may opt out or be cut.

I think there are a lot of lads who probably deserve a chance in the county set up next winter - a few who have caught my eye apart from those listed above would be Michael O'Neill (Ardboe) Nathan Donnelly (Killyclogher) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Coleman (Moy) Emmett McNabb (Dromore) and a few others.

Cheers for the full run down Angelo. Really useful info to have given to surprising difficulty there is to find a lot of players ages anywhere on line. I was going by minor and u21 teams years for a lot of them but it's still kinda guesswork to be exact.

Agree we need a few lads to come in. I meant I think it's going to be very hard for them to break onto the starting 15 at the moment as the lads on that Colm aside are all of a very good age profile but we need to keep on refreshing the panel. One good thing about the current squad is I don't think there's anyone there that Mickey will hold onto for too long past their use like perhaps he did with the 2008 AI winning team. If a young buck is good enough now he's getting his chance by and large.
Aiden McCrory, Ben McDonnell, Tiernan McCann are just names off players who always get chances and opportunities even though they are not good enough.
How, even still, Rory Brennan never established himself as a starter shows it is not always the best who get the chance or opportunity.

Tiernan McCann isn't good enough? Are you insane?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 19, 2019, 08:44:05 AM
I'm not sure he'll ever make it as a starter but as usual people are very quick to write players off before they are given a chance if they aren't a favourite of theirs. For a player only around 21/22 and getting his first proper chance at county football Ben McDonnell (outside of the Donegal game) has done rightly this year. He played well at half back in league games and has come of the bench getting scores in the qualifiers. For me he has done enough to at least justify his place in the panel. There is players outside of Errigal on the panel who have did a lot less over a number of years on the panel and don't get mentioned.

McRory is another one who gets unfair stick. He over a number of years did a decent marking job on decent players including for example Mark Poland and Rory Grugan. He struggled when put up against very good players and was limited going forward but always covered a lot of ground and stuck to his task. He has kept his head down even though he lost his place and if everyone on the panel had the same attitude as him Tyrone would be in a great place.

Very easy to knock boys who give an awful lot to the county team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 19, 2019, 10:29:46 AM
Anyone else watching Joe Oguz for the u20s and thinking this guy could go onto to be Tyrone star in the making. He's raw but he has all the ingredients
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on July 19, 2019, 04:23:29 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on July 19, 2019, 08:17:11 AM
Quote from: superstar_ on July 19, 2019, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2019, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 18, 2019, 09:48:43 PM

Think McCrory and Cavanagh the only players in their 30s in the squad.

Harte, Coney, McNabb and Mattie were all in their final year of minor in 2008 so either are now 29 or will turn 29 at some point this year.

Morgan, McCann, McAliskey and McNamee were all a year after that so are 28 or will turn 28 at some point this year.

Sludden, Richie Donnelly, HP McGeary and Grugan were minor in 2010 so are 27 or will turn 27 at some point this year.

McCurry, McClure, C McCann, Loughran, Brendan Burns are the year after that so would be 26 or will be at some point this year.

K McGeary, McLaughlin, R Brennan, Meyler, Hampsey and Cassidy were all in their final year u21 in 2015 so are 25 or will be at some point this year. Mark Bradley is in this bracket too and I think Ronan McHugh also falls into that age bracket.

F Burns and McShane had another year u21 after that so would be 24 or will turn it at some point this year.

O'Donnell, Mulgrew, Rafferty and McKernan are all 22 or will be at some point this year.

Gallen and Kennedy were u20 last year so are 21 or will be at some point this year.


Not sure if I missed anybody?


I think the squad needs a fair bit of freshening up for next season - the likes of C McCann, McClure, Loughran, B Burns, R McHugh, McNabb, Coney, Grugan are some of the guys who have had a number of years on the panel at various stages over the years and never really looked like nailing a starting spot. Maybe some of them have something to offer but I think they might see the writing on the wall like Ronan O'Neill did earlier this year. They're all mid to late 20s so they should have established themselves by now.

I think we have a few good prospects around the midfield area. Gormley has been impressive for the u20s, I'd say Conn Kilpatrick would have got a call up only for a bad injury during the club championship last year. Mattie McGleenan's young lad looks like he will be a big prospect in a few years time. Paudie McNulty might come back in next year. So I'd say a few of C McCann, McClure and Grugan may opt out or be cut.

I think there are a lot of lads who probably deserve a chance in the county set up next winter - a few who have caught my eye apart from those listed above would be Michael O'Neill (Ardboe) Nathan Donnelly (Killyclogher) Paul Donaghy (Edendork) Ryan Coleman (Moy) Emmett McNabb (Dromore) and a few others.

Cheers for the full run down Angelo. Really useful info to have given to surprising difficulty there is to find a lot of players ages anywhere on line. I was going by minor and u21 teams years for a lot of them but it's still kinda guesswork to be exact.

Agree we need a few lads to come in. I meant I think it's going to be very hard for them to break onto the starting 15 at the moment as the lads on that Colm aside are all of a very good age profile but we need to keep on refreshing the panel. One good thing about the current squad is I don't think there's anyone there that Mickey will hold onto for too long past their use like perhaps he did with the 2008 AI winning team. If a young buck is good enough now he's getting his chance by and large.
Aiden McCrory, Ben McDonnell, Tiernan McCann are just names off players who always get chances and opportunities even though they are not good enough.
How, even still, Rory Brennan never established himself as a starter shows it is not always the best who get the chance or opportunity.

Tiernan McCann isn't good enough? Are you insane?

He must have something against him GlenMan, McCann has been nominated for an all star the last two years in a row, that speaks for itself
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 19, 2019, 04:30:04 PM
McKenna sending the aussie down the shop for a few shrimps for the barbie

https://twitter.com/GAA__JOE/status/1152206355782086656?s=19
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 19, 2019, 04:51:11 PM
Apparently he's playing really well and is one of their main players now.
Would be amazing if he's come back at some point
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 19, 2019, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2019, 04:51:11 PM
Apparently he's playing really well and is one of their main players now.
Would be amazing if he's come back at some point

Yeah he seems to be flying from the little snippets I get on twitter. Fair play to him though, living the dream over there getting paid to play sport.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 19, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
I fully believe McKenna would be the best player in the country by now if he stuck with it rather than heading to Oz. Can't begrudge him that and hopefully he'll come back and give us something before he is out of his 20s.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 19, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Peter Canavan not impressed that Ulster Rugby has poached PD.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 19, 2019, 08:55:58 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 19, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Peter Canavan not impressed that Ulster Rugby has poached PD.

Takes the attention off his cub and his mates acting the bollox in Dungannon. Always an upside.

Don't see the problem personally with Ulster Rugby - Canavan should have more of a go at Donnelly, did he not cause a bit of scene there before season started over a payrise?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 19, 2019, 09:38:35 PM
Why would you have a problem with either party? it's a free labour market. UR are entitled to try to hire someone they see as a good fit for them and PD is entitled to do what he feels is best for his career.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 19, 2019, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 19, 2019, 09:38:35 PM
Why would you have a problem with either party? it's a free labour market. UR are entitled to try to hire someone they see as a good fit for them and PD is entitled to do what he feels is best for his career.

Exactly there should be no issues with anyone. Ulster Rugby is bigger and better job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on July 19, 2019, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 19, 2019, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 19, 2019, 09:38:35 PM
Why would you have a problem with either party? it's a free labour market. UR are entitled to try to hire someone they see as a good fit for them and PD is entitled to do what he feels is best for his career.

Exactly there should be no issues with anyone. Ulster Rugby is bigger and better job.

Hes done a great job and a great challenge for someone else to come in and live up to what went before
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 19, 2019, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 19, 2019, 08:55:58 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 19, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Peter Canavan not impressed that Ulster Rugby has poached PD.

Takes the attention off his cub and his mates acting the bollox in Dungannon. Always an upside.

Don't see the problem personally with Ulster Rugby - Canavan should have more of a go at Donnelly, did he not cause a bit of scene there before season started over a payrise?

I would assume he's on very good money with the Tyrone set up. Heard someone say last year it was around 50k but not sure if that was true or not.

Wonder how he will fair out at it. You would think it's a completely different set up as the Ulster rugby team are in good physical shape already.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on July 19, 2019, 10:52:01 PM
His new job is in the Ulster Academy , the next level below the senior team !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on July 19, 2019, 11:01:06 PM
Fair play to Donnelly. If PTG is irked no doubt he'll take it as a compliment!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on July 19, 2019, 11:02:55 PM
Ryan Porter as his replacement? Who else?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 19, 2019, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on July 19, 2019, 10:52:01 PM
His new job is in the Ulster Academy , the next level below the senior team !

Which is exactly how we know he went to Ulster, not the other way around. The job had been advertised.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on July 19, 2019, 11:47:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 19, 2019, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on July 19, 2019, 10:52:01 PM
His new job is in the Ulster Academy , the next level below the senior team !

Which is exactly how we know he went to Ulster, not the other way around. The job had been advertised.

I'm sure the job was advertised ...just highlighting that he is working with the up and coming   development players and not the senior  players  as  queried above !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on July 20, 2019, 12:25:31 PM
How many full time coaching staff members is that Tyrone have lost in the last eight or nine months? By my count 5. Wouldn't exactly be a ringing endorsement for the working environment to have a staff turn over that high.

Add to that the number of Tyrone Academy coaches who stepped away or weren't asked back, Canavan is right- questions need asked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on July 20, 2019, 12:59:08 PM
I doubt they could match things like salaries and career paths in this kind of field. Ulster academy big opportunity- makes it there then he can go to seniors then possibly very lucrative jobs internationally or across the water.

Tyrone's conditioning is fantastic so he must be very good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on July 21, 2019, 12:19:38 PM
I make it that since 2003 (17 years), Tyrone have only failed to make it to the quarter finals three times and have made nine semi
finals and four finals?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 21, 2019, 01:48:07 PM
If yesterday showed anything it's that we need to keep Mattie in as close to goal as possible. Hes a real handful in there and is an excellent ball winner. It also takes some of the attention away from McShane which should free him up.
Could well be the last we see of Kennedy and HP McGeary for 2019 after yesterday's show.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 21, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on July 21, 2019, 01:48:07 PM
If yesterday showed anything it's that we need to keep Mattie in as close to goal as possible. Hes a real handful in there and is an excellent ball winner. It also takes some of the attention away from McShane which should free him up.
Could well be the last we see of Kennedy and HP McGeary for 2019 after yesterday's show.

If we could clone Mattie it would be great.

Think it might be harsh enough to drop Kennedy, Richie Donnelly was very poor yesterday when he came in. He made a number of handling errors and kicked some ball away too, he seems to struggle with the pace of Croke Park too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 21, 2019, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 21, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on July 21, 2019, 01:48:07 PM
If yesterday showed anything it's that we need to keep Mattie in as close to goal as possible. Hes a real handful in there and is an excellent ball winner. It also takes some of the attention away from McShane which should free him up.
Could well be the last we see of Kennedy and HP McGeary for 2019 after yesterday's show.

If we could clone Mattie it would be great.

Think it might be harsh enough to drop Kennedy, Richie Donnelly was very poor yesterday when he came in. He made a number of handling errors and kicked some ball away too, he seems to struggle with the pace of Croke Park too.

What I like about Ritchie is that he keeps trying the long pass. At times it doesn't pay off but he can unlock defences and if we are playing 2 up top we need someone who can move the ball forward more quickly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 21, 2019, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 21, 2019, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 21, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on July 21, 2019, 01:48:07 PM
If yesterday showed anything it's that we need to keep Mattie in as close to goal as possible. Hes a real handful in there and is an excellent ball winner. It also takes some of the attention away from McShane which should free him up.
Could well be the last we see of Kennedy and HP McGeary for 2019 after yesterday's show.

If we could clone Mattie it would be great.

Think it might be harsh enough to drop Kennedy, Richie Donnelly was very poor yesterday when he came in. He made a number of handling errors and kicked some ball away too, he seems to struggle with the pace of Croke Park too.

What I like about Ritchie is that he keeps trying the long pass. At times it doesn't pay off but he can unlock defences and if we are playing 2 up top we need someone who can move the ball forward more quickly.
Personally I thought Richie had a positive impact on the game yesterday. Few things didn't come off for him, but he helped improve things after the break. Was certainly more effective than Kennedy.
In saying that I would have question marks over whether he can do a full 70 minutes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 21, 2019, 05:59:58 PM
Agree, in that I also thought that Richie shook things up -- caused the Cork defence issues, even if his efforts weren't always successful.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2019, 07:23:11 PM
Funny old game. I thought Richie was poor when he came on. Lost a few balls with wayward passes. That said I think we're struggling for a stand out partner for Cavanagh (Who's been below par himself) so wouldn't be surprised to see him start against Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 21, 2019, 08:50:36 PM
I like Richie think he offers plenty. As someone said he's always looking the high risk pass which in the era of safety plus and passing the responsibility to a man beside you, it's a refreshing approach. I wouldn't be surprised to see the team that started the 2nd half start the all Ireland semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 21, 2019, 09:00:50 PM
The problem with Richie is that he struggles with the pace. The Donegal game was a prime example. He got absolutely burned by Ban Gallagher for the Brennan goal. He's a lovely footballer, can pick a pass, plays with his head up and score off either foot.

He always plays well during the winter when the ground is soft but I think he will get found out in Croke Park against the top teams.

Kennedy is getting a bit of criticism but I think there were only a handful of players who could have got pass marks in that first half - Harte, Meyler and McNamee were probably the only 3.

I'd  hope we run the fringe players our against Dublin, let a few state their claim and keep our cards close to our chest in case we meet them again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 21, 2019, 09:19:06 PM
To be fair to him he was carrying an injury in the last few matches last year which required surgery and has been injured on and off over the last few years too. I don't think he's overly pacy but to be honest I'd rather him in the team than Kennedy. I don't think Kennedy is ready but he'll come good in the years to come.

I still think the squad is too light. If for example Hampsey, Donnelly and Cassidy come in for the semi final who are we left with at the 20 minute to go mark to make an impact? McCurry, McAliskey, Coney? Doesn't fill me with confidence that they'd drag us over the line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on July 21, 2019, 10:44:56 PM
Good comeback from the lads yesterday.
Kennedy has all the tools to be great and I think he'll get there just young and a little timid at times. Hugh Pat has had a very solid year, he's been harshly hooked a few times and is always put on the dangermen so often has the toughest job. We've been very open through the middle since Hampsey hasn't been fully fit so HP's men usually get on the end of the move as he goes to stop the onrushing player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 21, 2019, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: sidelineball on July 21, 2019, 10:44:56 PM
Good comeback from the lads yesterday.
Kennedy has all the tools to be great and I think he'll get there just young and a little timid at times. Hugh Pat has had a very solid year, he's been harshly hooked a few times and is always put on the dangermen so often has the toughest job. We've been very open through the middle since Hampsey hasn't been fully fit so HP's men usually get on the end of the move as he goes to stop the onrushing player

I think HP has been solid this year and I'd have had my doubts about him in the past. I think the analysis on the Sunday game showed the problems in the first half. I think we had some players haring around the pitch like Colm Cavanagh getting attracted to the ball and others passively jogging around the place and letting guys run off them. For that sort of defensive system to be successful there  has to be intensity and cohesion with it and it was far from there in the first half. Cork were clever as well to that respect and held onto the ball very well.

I think Hugh Pat was one of the natural choices to come off when we were chasing the game in the second half but I don't think he was particurlarly bad, I don't think Kennedy was either. Felt McCurry really struggled though. Frank Burns and McKernan both have a tendency to switch off to the danger around them and both get drawn to the ball easily. Burns got caught out for the goal against Kildare and McKernan was caught out for one of them against Cork.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 22, 2019, 04:11:37 PM
Yeah would agree with a lot of what was said above but especially that Kennedy has really been given a lot of chances this year to develop and whilst I thought he played very well in spoiling Fenton's game v Dublin in the league, he hasn't really done a lot to impress me. Yes it's important to give him loads of chances to develop but coming into the last 4 of an All Ireland you want your best 15 on the field and for me he's far too soft and nice for the size of him. He could learn a lot from Colm C, who I think hasn't quite reached the levels he had last year either at MF or as a sweeper. I know I'm being critical now but he seems to be a bit rash much more this year in when to come out of the D and be over enthusiastic to make a big tackle and so men can time a run in behind him then into the space he's just left. I even wonder did Cork practice that for their second goal on Saturday.

I read last week we have conceded 17 goals in 18 games over the last 2 years, which seems high for such a defensive minded team. I think it's to do with zonal marking sometimes or as someone said above a few players turning off and not following the runner. We've seen that time and time again this year and for me it's why we are conceding so many goals. Can't understand how Mickey thinks Kernan is better than Cassidy. I can't see much he's done wrong this year to lose his place and with Tiernan back now I wouldn't be surprised to see Tiernan start both next matches if fully fit.

McNamee has had a good year though I still thing he can be a little easily turned at times. You would imagine HP will lose out to Hampsey if he's back to himself. Rory B has looked quite solid most of the year and seems to have finally nailed down a place.

I was at the Kerry v Donegal game yesterday and if I'm honest I thought BOTH were playing at a higher level to us and I can't see us beating either if we dont move up to the next level. However, saying that we've played a lot of football in the last 8 weeks and so maybe the 2 week break will be what we needed.
I think if we continue to start so slowly against the bigger teams we will not be able to get back into the game like we did last weekend.

Re Richie, I think he's vital for hitting good passes into McShane and hopefully from here on in Mattie too.
Mattie looked really pumped up in the second half and showed a lot more leadership than I've seen from him before. McShane was well marshalled yet he still scored 1.05 like Petey so these three lads need to be kept well up the field and at the end of moves.
Sludden and Burns had another quiet enough game I thought and you wonder why can't they reach their full potential more often. Again could be tiredness.

I know I sound negative but I really don't think we're good enough to beat Kerry in the semi so rather than this idea of resting players I'd be all on for going all out to bed the Dubs in Omagh and make a bold statement that this team is beatable away from their home luxuries. Even if it is their B team but I can't see that happening tbh.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 22, 2019, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 22, 2019, 04:11:37 PM
Yeah would agree with a lot of what was said above but especially that Kennedy has really been given a lot of chances this year to develop and whilst I thought he played very well in spoiling Fenton's game v Dublin in the league, he hasn't really done a lot to impress me. Yes it's important to give him loads of chances to develop but coming into the last 4 of an All Ireland you want your best 15 on the field and for me he's far too soft and nice for the size of him. He could learn a lot from Colm C, who I think hasn't quite reached the levels he had last year either at MF or as a sweeper. I know I'm being critical now but he seems to be a bit rash much more this year in when to come out of the D and be over enthusiastic to make a big tackle and so men can time a run in behind him then into the space he's just left. I even wonder did Cork practice that for their second goal on Saturday.

I read last week we have conceded 17 goals in 18 games over the last 2 years, which seems high for such a defensive minded team. I think it's to do with zonal marking sometimes or as someone said above a few players turning off and not following the runner. We've seen that time and time again this year and for me it's why we are conceding so many goals. Can't understand how Mickey thinks Kernan is better than Cassidy. I can't see much he's done wrong this year to lose his place and with Tiernan back now I wouldn't be surprised to see Tiernan start both next matches if fully fit.

McNamee has had a good year though I still thing he can be a little easily turned at times. You would imagine HP will lose out to Hampsey if he's back to himself. Rory B has looked quite solid most of the year and seems to have finally nailed down a place.

I was at the Kerry v Donegal game yesterday and if I'm honest I thought BOTH were playing at a higher level to us and I can't see us beating either if we dont move up to the next level. However, saying that we've played a lot of football in the last 8 weeks and so maybe the 2 week break will be what we needed.
I think if we continue to start so slowly against the bigger teams we will not be able to get back into the game like we did last weekend.

Re Richie, I think he's vital for hitting good passes into McShane and hopefully from here on in Mattie too.
Mattie looked really pumped up in the second half and showed a lot more leadership than I've seen from him before. McShane was well marshalled yet he still scored 1.05 like Petey so these three lads need to be kept well up the field and at the end of moves.
Sludden and Burns had another quiet enough game I thought and you wonder why can't they reach their full potential more often. Again could be tiredness.

I know I sound negative but I really don't think we're good enough to beat Kerry in the semi so rather than this idea of resting players I'd be all on for going all out to bed the Dubs in Omagh and make a bold statement that this team is beatable away from their home luxuries. Even if it is their B team but I can't see that happening tbh.



Err seems a little extreme.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 22, 2019, 05:23:47 PM
Ooops
That was a genuine mistake and not a wind up for those who know me?  ;)

A lot of Dubs I have been talking to where really looking forward to this trip again this year.
Would be nice to beat the AI champs twice or even three times in the one year.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 22, 2019, 05:26:58 PM
Would we not be safer resting for the dead rubber game and going all out to beat Kerry (if that who tops the group) in the important match the following week? They drew with a weakened Donegal team yesterday so can't be that much stronger than them. And if we did beat them it would be a proper boost going into a final as opposed to beating a weakened Dublin team that didn't need to win anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 22, 2019, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 22, 2019, 05:26:58 PM
Would we not be safer resting for the dead rubber game and going all out to beat Kerry (if that who tops the group) in the important match the following week? They drew with a weakened Donegal team yesterday so can't be that much stronger than them. And if we did beat them it would be a proper boost going into a final as opposed to beating a weakened Dublin team that didn't need to win anyway.

100% we need to rest several key players and anyone who's nursing any sort of an injury, but if we rest too many we run the risk of a tanking in Omagh and that could really set us back if we have to play Kerry in 6 days time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 23, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
Both minor and u20 games will be shown live on TG4.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 23, 2019, 03:23:22 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 23, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
Both minor and u20 games will be shown live on TG4.

Minor Vs kerry at 2pm
U20 Vs Cork at 4pm

For some reason I hadn't realised this was a double header. Can't wait and I'll take a spin down on Sunday now or these. Both games for €15 and kids in free. Hard te beat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 23, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 23, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
Both minor and u20 games will be shown live on TG4.

Are they not only live on their youtube channel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on July 23, 2019, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 23, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 23, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
Both minor and u20 games will be shown live on TG4.

Are they not only live on their youtube channel?

Minor hurling semi final is showing on their TV listings for Sunday afternoon anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on July 23, 2019, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 23, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 23, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
Both minor and u20 games will be shown live on TG4.

Are they not only live on their youtube channel?

Yes both games on TG4 Sport Youtube
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on July 23, 2019, 09:12:36 PM
If you've a smart tv handy enough to stick on your tv.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 24, 2019, 12:32:07 AM
Made the brave decision to watch last year's All Ireland final again this evening.

Dublin started off quite sluggishly, they missed a few scores you'd expect them to get. Tyrone had a lot of joy with the early ball in but I think Cian O'Sullivan was struggling with an injury which was a factor. Tyrone were also extremely wasteful in their purple patch early on and could have been 6 or 7 points up as opposed to just 4.

A bad kickout from Morgan cost us the first goal and Dublin tagged on a few quick scores but we actually came back into the game after than and were a bit wasteful on a few occasions on the front foot. The second goal killed us, Meyler gave away a silly free out the pitch when there was no need and then McKernan needlessly over commited and sold himself which led to the second goal.

We completely wilted after the second goal and Dublin just seemed to hungrier to everything. The response wasn't good in that period and the game had eventually slipped away from us by HT. Our decision making went to shit and the players let their heads drop. I thought our defenders held up reasonably well for the most part, McKernan got absolutely destroyed by Con O'Callaghan and it was a failing from Mickey Harte not to change something earlier. Kilkenny also was beginning to grow into the game and get the better of McCann around this point.

On reviewing that, I think the same failings are still happening with McKernan, he is still very young and I don't want to be too harsh but he doesn't sense danger or read the game well. He's a gung ho type player who commits himself far too easily, this was exposed against Cork and Donegal already this year. He's got lots of energy and is physical and can be a good player to bring into games near the end but I don't think he's mature enough for the level of football we are entering into at this point in the year. I think Frank Burns suffers similarly to McKernan in that he overcommits too much when one on one but to a lesser degree.

The two goals were completely avoidable and Dublin were ruthless with them, they didn't play all that well in the first half but we gifted them two goal chances that were ruthlessly taken and it was game over.

Mayo have been in similar situations that Tyrone were in at that stage in the final. I can recall Mayo being 4/5/6 maybe even 7 points down to Dublin in some of their games in recent years and they've came right back at them. They didn't panic or let their heads drop and unfortunately that's where Tyrone fell apart last year. In that period, they lost their heads, panicked when faced with pressure and wilted in the battle, Dublin were targeting isolated Tyrone players and the support play wasn't there like it was in the early parts.

I do think Dublin are vulnerable when you get a run at them, we saw it in Omagh last year when the game looked gone and we nearly reeled them in near the end and we've seen it with Mayo in the past when they've brought themselves back into the game from big deficits. Cluxton is well capable of having a meltdown himself. Tyrone simply have to cut out the silly mistakes and be much, much resilient and composed in the face of setbacks. If you're start feeling sorry for yourself after a setback to Dublin, the game will be over with the snap of a finger.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on July 24, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 24, 2019, 12:32:07 AM
Made the brave decision to watch last year's All Ireland final again this evening.

Dublin started off quite sluggishly, they missed a few scores you'd expect them to get. Tyrone had a lot of joy with the early ball in but I think Cian O'Sullivan was struggling with an injury which was a factor. Tyrone were also extremely wasteful in their purple patch early on and could have been 6 or 7 points up as opposed to just 4.

A bad kickout from Morgan cost us the first goal and Dublin tagged on a few quick scores but we actually came back into the game after than and were a bit wasteful on a few occasions on the front foot. The second goal killed us, Meyler gave away a silly free out the pitch when there was no need and then McKernan needlessly over commited and sold himself which led to the second goal.

We completely wilted after the second goal and Dublin just seemed to hungrier to everything. The response wasn't good in that period and the game had eventually slipped away from us by HT. Our decision making went to shit and the players let their heads drop. I thought our defenders held up reasonably well for the most part, McKernan got absolutely destroyed by Con O'Callaghan and it was a failing from Mickey Harte not to change something earlier. Kilkenny also was beginning to grow into the game and get the better of McCann around this point.

On reviewing that, I think the same failings are still happening with McKernan, he is still very young and I don't want to be too harsh but he doesn't sense danger or read the game well. He's a gung ho type player who commits himself far too easily, this was exposed against Cork and Donegal already this year. He's got lots of energy and is physical and can be a good player to bring into games near the end but I don't think he's mature enough for the level of football we are entering into at this point in the year. I think Frank Burns suffers similarly to McKernan in that he overcommits too much when one on one but to a lesser degree.

The two goals were completely avoidable and Dublin were ruthless with them, they didn't play all that well in the first half but we gifted them two goal chances that were ruthlessly taken and it was game over.

Mayo have been in similar situations that Tyrone were in at that stage in the final. I can recall Mayo being 4/5/6 maybe even 7 points down to Dublin in some of their games in recent years and they've came right back at them. They didn't panic or let their heads drop and unfortunately that's where Tyrone fell apart last year. In that period, they lost their heads, panicked when faced with pressure and wilted in the battle, Dublin were targeting isolated Tyrone players and the support play wasn't there like it was in the early parts.

I do think Dublin are vulnerable when you get a run at them, we saw it in Omagh last year when the game looked gone and we nearly reeled them in near the end and we've seen it with Mayo in the past when they've brought themselves back into the game from big deficits. Cluxton is well capable of having a meltdown himself. Tyrone simply have to cut out the silly mistakes and be much, much resilient and composed in the face of setbacks. If you're start feeling sorry for yourself after a setback to Dublin, the game will be over with the snap of a finger.

Great post and analysis!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 24, 2019, 07:25:05 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on July 24, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 24, 2019, 12:32:07 AM
Made the brave decision to watch last year's All Ireland final again this evening.

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Great post and analysis!

+1, indeed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 24, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
I agree right up to the Cluxton point. I think when he goes Dublin will be more vunerable
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on July 24, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
O'sullivan and Fitzsimons can be got at. Mccaffrey looks practically impossible to mark though. O'Sullivan probably won't make their best 15.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 24, 2019, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 24, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
I agree right up to the Cluxton point. I think when he goes Dublin will be more vunerable

I think Cluxton is overrated in general terms. There's 3 or 4 keepers in the game now every bit as good if not better than him. If Morgan, Beggan or Patton were in goals for Dublin, would they be a worse team? I don't think so.

All goalkeepers have meltdowns and can have spells in big games where kickouts go to pot when pushed up on. The difference is that it's much easier for Cluxton when he has/has had guys like Fenton, McAuley, Flynn, Howard, Connolly, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Scully, Small in that middle third area to hit - players who makes the right move and do the right thing with the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on July 24, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 24, 2019, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 24, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
I agree right up to the Cluxton point. I think when he goes Dublin will be more vunerable

I think Cluxton is overrated in general terms. There's 3 or 4 keepers in the game now every bit as good if not better than him. If Morgan, Beggan or Patton were in goals for Dublin, would they be a worse team? I don't think so.

All goalkeepers have meltdowns and can have spells in big games where kickouts go to pot when pushed up on. The difference is that it's much easier for Cluxton when he has/has had guys like Fenton, McAuley, Flynn, Howard, Connolly, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Scully, Small in that middle third area to hit - players who makes the right move and do the right thing with the ball.

Morgan definitely. Patton - not yet this year but it's only a few games. Beggan - Cluxton much more consistent but maybe not this last year. I think you underestimate Cluxton and his kick outs. He has been phenomenal over the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on July 24, 2019, 10:39:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 24, 2019, 12:32:07 AM
Made the brave decision to watch last year's All Ireland final again this evening.

Dublin started off quite sluggishly, they missed a few scores you'd expect them to get. Tyrone had a lot of joy with the early ball in but I think Cian O'Sullivan was struggling with an injury which was a factor. Tyrone were also extremely wasteful in their purple patch early on and could have been 6 or 7 points up as opposed to just 4.

A bad kickout from Morgan cost us the first goal and Dublin tagged on a few quick scores but we actually came back into the game after than and were a bit wasteful on a few occasions on the front foot. The second goal killed us, Meyler gave away a silly free out the pitch when there was no need and then McKernan needlessly over commited and sold himself which led to the second goal.

We completely wilted after the second goal and Dublin just seemed to hungrier to everything. The response wasn't good in that period and the game had eventually slipped away from us by HT. Our decision making went to shit and the players let their heads drop. I thought our defenders held up reasonably well for the most part, McKernan got absolutely destroyed by Con O'Callaghan and it was a failing from Mickey Harte not to change something earlier. Kilkenny also was beginning to grow into the game and get the better of McCann around this point.

On reviewing that, I think the same failings are still happening with McKernan, he is still very young and I don't want to be too harsh but he doesn't sense danger or read the game well. He's a gung ho type player who commits himself far too easily, this was exposed against Cork and Donegal already this year. He's got lots of energy and is physical and can be a good player to bring into games near the end but I don't think he's mature enough for the level of football we are entering into at this point in the year. I think Frank Burns suffers similarly to McKernan in that he overcommits too much when one on one but to a lesser degree.

The two goals were completely avoidable and Dublin were ruthless with them, they didn't play all that well in the first half but we gifted them two goal chances that were ruthlessly taken and it was game over.

Mayo have been in similar situations that Tyrone were in at that stage in the final. I can recall Mayo being 4/5/6 maybe even 7 points down to Dublin in some of their games in recent years and they've came right back at them. They didn't panic or let their heads drop and unfortunately that's where Tyrone fell apart last year. In that period, they lost their heads, panicked when faced with pressure and wilted in the battle, Dublin were targeting isolated Tyrone players and the support play wasn't there like it was in the early parts.

I do think Dublin are vulnerable when you get a run at them, we saw it in Omagh last year when the game looked gone and we nearly reeled them in near the end and we've seen it with Mayo in the past when they've brought themselves back into the game from big deficits. Cluxton is well capable of having a meltdown himself. Tyrone simply have to cut out the silly mistakes and be much, much resilient and composed in the face of setbacks. If you're start feeling sorry for yourself after a setback to Dublin, the game will be over with the snap of a finger.

Did the same after the donegal game - by my count (in no order) Meyler, cavanagh, morgan and mcshane killed us in avoidable forced and unforced turnovers and after donnelly saying on sky in the lead up that dublin's decision making is really high end and we need to bring ours to the next level make ye wonder what goes through lads heads, but defensively hampsey and brennan where brilliant

Re:mckeirnan his biggest asset is his speed and when you put him on someone equal or more pacey your screwed i.e brennan and positionally against cork he bit in on kerrigan and let that loughrey through on goal - just don't make him think!lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 24, 2019, 10:58:54 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 24, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 24, 2019, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 24, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
I agree right up to the Cluxton point. I think when he goes Dublin will be more vunerable

I think Cluxton is overrated in general terms. There's 3 or 4 keepers in the game now every bit as good if not better than him. If Morgan, Beggan or Patton were in goals for Dublin, would they be a worse team? I don't think so.

All goalkeepers have meltdowns and can have spells in big games where kickouts go to pot when pushed up on. The difference is that it's much easier for Cluxton when he has/has had guys like Fenton, McAuley, Flynn, Howard, Connolly, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Scully, Small in that middle third area to hit - players who makes the right move and do the right thing with the ball.

Morgan definitely. Patton - not yet this year but it's only a few games. Beggan - Cluxton much more consistent but maybe not this last year. I think you underestimate Cluxton and his kick outs. He has been phenomenal over the years.

I can't agree.

I don't think Cluxton would give us anything Morgan doesn't if he was in goals for us. He's had his meltdowns before, he had a couple of shockers against Kerry, in the last semi final they played, 2016? He gifted Kerry with a goal and a few points in a matter of minutes. He had a meltdown against Mayo in the closing stages of an All Ireland final that Dublin were winning comfortably and a replay came as a result.

He's a good keeper but I don't think he is any better than the top 3 or 4 around now. He was the pioneer of keepers looking to find players but I think a number of goalkeepers have caught up with him now. Cluxton's job is just easier as he has better players who are bigger, faster, stronger and smarter than other teams and he has a bigger array of them. You look at the Tyrone side and if it is man for man as it sometimes is then we are going to struggle on kickouts against Dublin, they are bigger, stronger and faster than us in the middle of the pitch.

Mayo have won a lot of the kickout battles with Mayo in the past and they have done so with a goalkeeper who it has became obvious in recent weeks struggles on his kickouts and with no discernible kickout strategy. They have won those battles because they can match and maybe even surpass Dublin in the middle area of the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 28, 2019, 05:38:07 PM
Disappointing results for the minors and u20s today. The minors really should have been much more than 3 points up at HT against Kerry but Kerry upped it the second half and much like the u20s, a stupid red card and a black as well for young McGleenan did for it.

I thought that we look to have some very exciting forwards in both sides. Mark Devlin looks an absolute star in the making, Fullerton and Luke Donnelly also looked good for the minors.

I presume Canavan will be getting some minutes next week against Dublin?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on July 29, 2019, 03:03:12 PM
Another game lost along the line. Paul Devlin is clueless.  Just putting it out there. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on July 29, 2019, 04:36:30 PM
I thought the line was worse in the minor match. We got absolutely destroyed on kick outs. The only plan was to land it on top of McGleenan. Kerry did not want to kick it long and we handed them every kick out by having a sweeper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on July 29, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 29, 2019, 03:03:12 PM
Another game lost along the line. Paul Devlin is clueless.  Just putting it out there.

We have a lad who started and finished all of our championship games last year to win the senior championship and he couldn't even get a place on the squad.  Surely his experience gained of closing out tight championship games would have came in handy yesterday.....

Also took off the considerable scoring threat of Tee Quinn.  What was he thinking?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on July 29, 2019, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on July 29, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 29, 2019, 03:03:12 PM
Another game lost along the line. Paul Devlin is clueless.  Just putting it out there.

We have a lad who started and finished all of our championship games last year to win the senior championship and he couldn't even get a place on the squad.  Surely his experience gained of closing out tight championship games would have came in handy yesterday.....

Also took off the considerable scoring threat of Tee Quinn.  What was he thinking?
I heard Tiarnan Quinn was carrying an injury from the day/night of the Ulster Final. Landed badly I heard
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 29, 2019, 07:39:51 PM
Paul seems confident that several players will make the step up to senior next year.Be good for competition if this is going to happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on July 29, 2019, 09:13:57 PM
The sending off looked very harsh on the highlights. Massive turning point. Also as mentioned in Devlin's teamtalk interview Antoin Fox was a big loss in the centre of defence early on. Cork got through the middle channel a lot in the 2nd half.
Tyrone unfortunately couldn't stop Cork's momentum and even though we went 2 up shortly after their goal it never looked secure. To lose a 7 point lead in an All Ireland semi is disappointing for all involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on July 29, 2019, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: In hiding on July 29, 2019, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on July 29, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 29, 2019, 03:03:12 PM
Another game lost along the line. Paul Devlin is clueless.  Just putting it out there.

We have a lad who started and finished all of our championship games last year to win the senior championship and he couldn't even get a place on the squad.  Surely his experience gained of closing out tight championship games would have came in handy yesterday.....

Also took off the considerable scoring threat of Tee Quinn.  What was he thinking?
I heard Tiarnan Quinn was carrying an injury from the day/night of the Ulster Final. Landed badly I heard

:-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on July 29, 2019, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2019, 10:17:06 PM
Quote from: In hiding on July 29, 2019, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on July 29, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on July 29, 2019, 03:03:12 PM
Another game lost along the line. Paul Devlin is clueless.  Just putting it out there.

We have a lad who started and finished all of our championship games last year to win the senior championship and he couldn't even get a place on the squad.  Surely his experience gained of closing out tight championship games would have came in handy yesterday.....

Also took off the considerable scoring threat of Tee Quinn.  What was he thinking?
I heard Tiarnan Quinn was carrying an injury from the day/night of the Ulster Final. Landed badly I heard
Seems you have a Tee Bee in your bonnet.
Who
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 29, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
I wouldn't be too hard on the minor management team. They should have had the game out of sight at half time and I don't think they got too much wrong tactically. Kerry were just more ruthless when the chances presented themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 29, 2019, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 29, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
I wouldn't be too hard on the minor management team. They should have had the game out of sight at half time and I don't think they got too much wrong tactically. Kerry were just more ruthless when the chances presented themselves.
What were the tactics?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on July 29, 2019, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 29, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
I wouldn't be too hard on the minor management team. They should have had the game out of sight at half time and I don't think they got too much wrong tactically. Kerry were just more ruthless when the chances presented themselves.
I agree, I wouldn't blame the u20 management either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 29, 2019, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 29, 2019, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 29, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
I wouldn't be too hard on the minor management team. They should have had the game out of sight at half time and I don't think they got too much wrong tactically. Kerry were just more ruthless when the chances presented themselves.
What were the tactics?

Whatever they were they seemed to work. We blew two good goal chances in the first half, hit the post with pointed efforts on three occasions and had one of key players get a silly black card and another player pick up a stupid red card with the game entering the melting pot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 29, 2019, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: In hiding on July 29, 2019, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 29, 2019, 10:40:52 PM
I wouldn't be too hard on the minor management team. They should have had the game out of sight at half time and I don't think they got too much wrong tactically. Kerry were just more ruthless when the chances presented themselves.
I agree, I wouldn't blame the u20 management either.

Not really although I would have question marks on how loose and open the u20s were at the back. In saying that Murnaghan wasn't fit to start, Fox went off with an injury after 6 or 7 minutes and Goodwin who replaced Fox was also lost to a black card before the end of the first half.

I think Tyrone would have seen that game out routinely if Oguz hadn't stupidly got himself a red. I think both the u20s and minors lack of discipline let them down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 30, 2019, 08:07:22 AM
I'd have been critical of some of the minor performances under Devlin in the past but I think the criticism on this occasion is very unfair. He just led us to an u20 ulster title and we only lost out very narrowly to a very strong Cork team at the weekend. Only for the sending off and injuries we'd probably be in the All Ireland final now.

I would always discount someone's opinion when they come on to give out about a county manager whilst only talking about their own club players.

I was surprised though about Quinn getting taken off. He had been average in earlier games but was really good on Sunday. However, perhaps it was injury related and his replacement Conroy looked at least equally as dangerous (though if Quinn was fit he should have replaced someone else).

Overall a good year for the u20's and plenty of talent on the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on July 30, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Who from this U20 team will get called up to the Senior panel within the next few years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 30, 2019, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on July 30, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Who from this U20 team will get called up to the Senior panel within the next few years?

Obviously Canavan and Murnaghan have already had call ups.

Sean Og McAleer, Conall Grimes, Oguz and Gormley probably look the most physically ready to make the step up in the near future.

I'd be inclined to let Canavan and Murnaghan stick at the u20s again next year when the Championship cones about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on July 30, 2019, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on July 30, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Who from this U20 team will get called up to the Senior panel within the next few years?

Word is that 3/4 lads have already been called up to the senior panel, it will be interesting to see if any get some game time against Dublin. Grimes and Gormley are said to be the two new additions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 30, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on July 30, 2019, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on July 30, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Who from this U20 team will get called up to the Senior panel within the next few years?

Word is that 3/4 lads have already been called up to the senior panel, it will be interesting to see if any get some game time against Dublin. Grimes and Gormley are said to be the two new additions

Wouldn't be surprised at that. The panel is quite light due to long term injuries and a few players quitting. Bringing a few young lads in after a decent u20 campaign will help freshen it up and they're good prospects. Would not be shocked if Canavan featured on Sunday at some point.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on July 30, 2019, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 30, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on July 30, 2019, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on July 30, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Who from this U20 team will get called up to the Senior panel within the next few years?

Word is that 3/4 lads have already been called up to the senior panel, it will be interesting to see if any get some game time against Dublin. Grimes and Gormley are said to be the two new additions

Wouldn't be surprised at that. The panel is quite light due to long term injuries and a few players quitting. Bringing a few young lads in after a decent u20 campaign will help freshen it up and they're good prospects. Would not be shocked if Canavan featured on Sunday at some point.

I think Gormley would be an excellent option to have at midfield when Cavanagh or Kennedy are injured. I would also like to see Sean Og McAleer get a call up, he was relatively an unknown coming into this year but became quite prolific in terms of scoring and scoring chances created, made sure to make the no.14 jersey his own when given the chance. Worthy of a call up in my view.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 30, 2019, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on July 30, 2019, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 30, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on July 30, 2019, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on July 30, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Who from this U20 team will get called up to the Senior panel within the next few years?

Word is that 3/4 lads have already been called up to the senior panel, it will be interesting to see if any get some game time against Dublin. Grimes and Gormley are said to be the two new additions

Wouldn't be surprised at that. The panel is quite light due to long term injuries and a few players quitting. Bringing a few young lads in after a decent u20 campaign will help freshen it up and they're good prospects. Would not be shocked if Canavan featured on Sunday at some point.

I think Gormley would be an excellent option to have at midfield when Cavanagh or Kennedy are injured. I would also like to see Sean Og McAleer get a call up, he was relatively an unknown coming into this year but became quite prolific in terms of scoring and scoring chances created, made sure to make the no.14 jersey his own when given the chance. Worthy of a call up in my view.

McAleer looks a decent prospect but probably needs to put on a bit more bulk first before he can begin to fight for a place. He's got a nice hit of presence about him as is though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 31, 2019, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 30, 2019, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on July 30, 2019, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 30, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on July 30, 2019, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on July 30, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Who from this U20 team will get called up to the Senior panel within the next few years?

Word is that 3/4 lads have already been called up to the senior panel, it will be interesting to see if any get some game time against Dublin. Grimes and Gormley are said to be the two new additions

Wouldn't be surprised at that. The panel is quite light due to long term injuries and a few players quitting. Bringing a few young lads in after a decent u20 campaign will help freshen it up and they're good prospects. Would not be shocked if Canavan featured on Sunday at some point.

I think Gormley would be an excellent option to have at midfield when Cavanagh or Kennedy are injured. I would also like to see Sean Og McAleer get a call up, he was relatively an unknown coming into this year but became quite prolific in terms of scoring and scoring chances created, made sure to make the no.14 jersey his own when given the chance. Worthy of a call up in my view.

McAleer looks a decent prospect but probably needs to put on a bit more bulk first before he can begin to fight for a place. He's got a nice hit of presence about him as is though.
Don't see how Gormley would be worth a place on the senior panel. Oguz has shown more across all the games than him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 31, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Fantasy stuff if you believe Gormley against the Dublin midfield he would be heading to A&E.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Fantasy stuff if you believe Gormley against the Dublin midfield he would be heading to A&E.

Goes for any of them u20s to be honest.

Can you imagine Jonny Coopers eyes light up with a skinny Canavan strolling across to him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 31, 2019, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Fantasy stuff if you believe Gormley against the Dublin midfield he would be heading to A&E.

Goes for any of them u20s to be honest.

Can you imagine Jonny Coopers eyes light up with a skinny Canavan strolling across to him?

His da wasn't exactly the biggest forward but he was fit for any defender who messed with him.

I would give a few of the u20 lads a 10-15 cameo so that they can get a taste of what it's like.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2019, 10:11:42 AM
I wouldn't rule Canavan out as having am impact sub role over the next few games. Players are well protected from refs these days so its hard to dish out punishment. If he was coming on he wouldn't be standing in beside Cooper in the full forward line but moving around all over the place trying to get on the ball. I do think he's a year or two away from making a proper impact at senior level but still think he could have a role of some sort.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 31, 2019, 10:33:12 AM
Everyone has to be mindful of the impact on morale if an U20 strolls in and leapfrogs a lad who had been loyally benchwarming all year. They might flesh out the training but not sure they'll get a lot of game time.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on July 31, 2019, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Fantasy stuff if you believe Gormley against the Dublin midfield he would be heading to A&E.

Goes for any of them u20s to be honest.

Can you imagine Jonny Coopers eyes light up with a skinny Canavan strolling across to him?

Jonny Cooper is a bag of piss. One good slap would put manners on him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2019, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 31, 2019, 10:33:12 AM
Everyone has to be mindful of the impact on morale if an U20 strolls in and leapfrogs a lad who had been loyally benchwarming all year. They might flesh out the training but not sure they'll get a lot of game time.

To be fair Canavan was involved in the panel for a large part of the year and was only released for the championship. I can't see too many others getting significant game time but a few may help freshen up the panel and training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: under the bar on July 31, 2019, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Fantasy stuff if you believe Gormley against the Dublin midfield he would be heading to A&E.

Goes for any of them u20s to be honest.

Can you imagine Jonny Coopers eyes light up with a skinny Canavan strolling across to him?

Jonny Cooper is a bag of piss. One good slap would put manners on him

Wonder why nobody thought about taking that approach over the past five years to the arguable lynch pin of the Dublin defence.

I don't expect any of the u20s to get any time this year, for a start, they didn't even win anything so how good are they really? Canavan aside of course. Dublin aren't rushing to bring in Connolly for example, it would seem desperate to start throwing u20s to the wolves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on July 31, 2019, 10:55:30 AM
Can't see any of the u20s breaking into the senior team in any meaningful way in next couple of years. Maybe it's just the change from u21 to u20 but they look extremely light and would be eaten up in senior county football nowadays. Compare the physique of any Dublin Tyrone Donegal senior to any of the u20s, men v boys.
A few might be best served as squad/training fodder for a couple of years yet, building physique and benefiting from the training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 31, 2019, 10:56:30 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: under the bar on July 31, 2019, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Fantasy stuff if you believe Gormley against the Dublin midfield he would be heading to A&E.

Goes for any of them u20s to be honest.

Can you imagine Jonny Coopers eyes light up with a skinny Canavan strolling across to him?

Jonny Cooper is a bag of piss. One good slap would put manners on him

Wonder why nobody thought about taking that approach over the past five years to the arguable lynch pin of the Dublin defence.

I don't expect any of the u20s to get any time this year, for a start, they didn't even win anything so how good are they really? Canavan aside of course. Dublin aren't rushing to bring in Connolly for example, it would seem desperate to start throwing u20s to the wolves.

That trophy they got in Armagh a few weeks ago must have just been for the craic then.

And I don't think anyone is suggesting throwing several u20s straight into the mix apart from Canavan.  I don't see what harm it would do to have a few of them involved in training for the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2019, 10:56:30 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: under the bar on July 31, 2019, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Fantasy stuff if you believe Gormley against the Dublin midfield he would be heading to A&E.

Goes for any of them u20s to be honest.

Can you imagine Jonny Coopers eyes light up with a skinny Canavan strolling across to him?

Jonny Cooper is a bag of piss. One good slap would put manners on him

Wonder why nobody thought about taking that approach over the past five years to the arguable lynch pin of the Dublin defence.

I don't expect any of the u20s to get any time this year, for a start, they didn't even win anything so how good are they really? Canavan aside of course. Dublin aren't rushing to bring in Connolly for example, it would seem desperate to start throwing u20s to the wolves.

That trophy they got in Armagh a few weeks ago must have just been for the craic then.

And I don't think anyone is suggesting throwing several u20s straight into the mix apart from Canavan.  I don't see what harm it would do to have a few of them involved in training for the next few weeks.

Ah come on now, an Ulster u20 title isn't currency and you know it. Tyrone at underage level by and large should only be dealing in All Irelands considering the size of the county and the talent in it.

Kerry pulled through O'Shea/Clifford etc on the back of winning u20s. If we are intent here on pulling through u20s it needs to be winners of special make-up. Otherwise what's wrong with the panel that have got to the AI Semi Final at Senior with a game to spare?

I don't mean to insult any of the lads, as you say there is no harm bringing them in to compete at training - who knows, maybe someone can step up if needed but right now I would be surprised if any of them are of the quality to make an impact this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on July 31, 2019, 12:08:13 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2019, 10:56:30 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: under the bar on July 31, 2019, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 31, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Fantasy stuff if you believe Gormley against the Dublin midfield he would be heading to A&E.

Goes for any of them u20s to be honest.

Can you imagine Jonny Coopers eyes light up with a skinny Canavan strolling across to him?

Jonny Cooper is a bag of piss. One good slap would put manners on him

Wonder why nobody thought about taking that approach over the past five years to the arguable lynch pin of the Dublin defence.

I don't expect any of the u20s to get any time this year, for a start, they didn't even win anything so how good are they really? Canavan aside of course. Dublin aren't rushing to bring in Connolly for example, it would seem desperate to start throwing u20s to the wolves.

That trophy they got in Armagh a few weeks ago must have just been for the craic then.

And I don't think anyone is suggesting throwing several u20s straight into the mix apart from Canavan.  I don't see what harm it would do to have a few of them involved in training for the next few weeks.

Ah come on now, an Ulster u20 title isn't currency and you know it. Tyrone at underage level by and large should only be dealing in All Irelands considering the size of the county and the talent in it.

Kerry pulled through O'Shea/Clifford etc on the back of winning u20s. If we are intent here on pulling through u20s it needs to be winners of special make-up. Otherwise what's wrong with the panel that have got to the AI Semi Final at Senior with a game to spare?

I don't mean to insult any of the lads, as you say there is no harm bringing them in to compete at training - who knows, maybe someone can step up if needed but right now I would be surprised if any of them are of the quality to make an impact this year.

Ulster football titles at any level would be the same currency as Munster Hurling titles at any level.  The rest of the provincials less so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 31, 2019, 12:18:17 PM
You've literally said they didn't win anything when they're only after winning an Ulster championship. I don't think it's fair of you to downplay that. We've won one Ulster u20/21 titles and 2 minor Ulster titles this decade now whether that's good enough is another debate.

I'm not for one minute suggesting any of that team gets within a sniff of a start in the semi final. I do think Canavan could be sprung in the last 10 minutes but aside from then no. I think if we get 3/4 in the next few years from that team we'll be doing well. The goalkeeper, murnaghan, canavan being the standouts imo.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: scout on July 31, 2019, 12:25:58 PM
I'm going off what i've seen in the club championship last year but i don't see the fuss so far over Murnaghan in regards to Tyrone seniors?? 1 good game against Omagh, was quiet until last 5mins in ET against Ardboe, and anonymous in county final vs 'Island.

I understand he's a young lad etc & plenty of development required/still to come, but wouldn't be rushing to get him into senior setup imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on July 31, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
To be honest I liked what I saw of him last year in the championship. It was the only reason I have listed him as one of the ones to come through from the u20s as obviously he didn't play any u20 championship. I do think the potential is there to develop into a very good player. Who knows though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on July 31, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
What do you make of young Canavan? More of a playmaker than his oul lad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 31, 2019, 07:08:27 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
What do you make of young Canavan? More of a playmaker than his oul lad?

Just the way the game has gone. Very few, if any of the big teams now play with small, light skilful guys inside. You need to have the physique and power to operate in there. He seems very similar to his father in his style of play and statute, just different times now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 31, 2019, 09:45:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
What do you make of young Canavan? More of a playmaker than his oul lad?

He can take a goal like his oul fella.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Heard from a very good source that Dublin hasn't been mentioned in training this last two weeks, only the semi final.
Fella said that Tyrone will be weakened team this week. Mightnt field at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 31, 2019, 11:06:16 PM
I'd go with something along the following lines for the weekend:

1. Gallen
2. HP McGeary
3. Hampsey
4. Rafferty
5. McCann
6. McCrory
7. Cassidy
8. McDonnell
9. Grugan
10. McClure
11. Coney
12. Sludden
13. Skeet
14. R Donnelly
15. McCurry

There's a few I'm not sure about the status of:

Mulgrew - don't think he has featured in a matchday squad since the opening league game against Kerry, heard he was injured but not sure if he's available again or still with the squad
Loughran - hasn't featured at all this year to my recollection. Not sure if injured or just not in favour, was included in the squad portraits back at the the end of April, possibly could have opted out since?
McNabb - as above
B Burns - hasn't featured this year, missed the start of the season while recuperating from an ACL operation, probably available now but just well down the pecking order
R McHugh - similar to above
McLaughlin - fleetingly in and out of the matchday 26, seems to just be out of favour


It's a long hard year for lads who aren't getting game time so I hope the management give them this chance where the result is secondary to make a claim.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 01, 2019, 01:01:19 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Heard from a very good source that Dublin hasn't been mentioned in training this last two weeks, only the semi final.
Fella said that Tyrone will be weakened team this week. Mightnt field at all.


See if that what you say turns out to be a load of aul shite, will you come back here and admit so ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 01, 2019, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2019, 01:01:19 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Heard from a very good source that Dublin hasn't been mentioned in training this last two weeks, only the semi final.
Fella said that Tyrone will be weakened team this week. Mightnt field at all.


See if that what you say turns out to be a load of aul shite, will you come back here and admit so ?

Do you seriously think he thinks Tyrone mightn't field? 🤔
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 08:13:44 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 31, 2019, 11:06:16 PM
I'd go with something along the following lines for the weekend:

1. Gallen
2. HP McGeary
3. Hampsey
4. Rafferty
5. McCann
6. McCrory
7. Cassidy
8. McDonnell
9. Grugan
10. McClure
11. Coney
12. Sludden
13. Skeet
14. R Donnelly
15. McCurry

There's a few I'm not sure about the status of:

Mulgrew - don't think he has featured in a matchday squad since the opening league game against Kerry, heard he was injured but not sure if he's available again or still with the squad
Loughran - hasn't featured at all this year to my recollection. Not sure if injured or just not in favour, was included in the squad portraits back at the the end of April, possibly could have opted out since?
McNabb - as above
B Burns - hasn't featured this year, missed the start of the season while recuperating from an ACL operation, probably available now but just well down the pecking order
R McHugh - similar to above
McLaughlin - fleetingly in and out of the matchday 26, seems to just be out of favour


It's a long hard year for lads who aren't getting game time so I hope the management give them this chance where the result is secondary to make a claim.

McHugh and Loughran still long term injuries and doubt they'll feature this year. Loughran came up with a few important goals last year but can't get a chance with injury problems. Assume McNabb is gone at this stage.

I can see it being a team like the above with plenty of changes and boys who haven't played as much recently like McCann getting a start.

Although there is no pressure to get the win Harte will want to compete and expect a performance from the team. He'll be looking to prove that we have options on the bench like the Dubs.  I'm sure he'll be hammering home the fact that the semi final is the following weekend and places are up for grabs. It's actually quite an interesting game with a number of changes and seeing how the subs perform at such a decent level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on August 01, 2019, 09:07:47 AM
What would most Tyronies thinking be on this match? Surley Harte will be looking to find a chink in the Dublin armour either tactically or via exposing their weakest area on the pitch (if either actually exist). 

A very unique situation for both teams, a dead rubber match effectively with Tyrone everything to gain.  If Tyrone win, it will give them a mental edge going forward, if Tyrone lose it is to be expected. 

Likewise if Dublin win, it is expected, if they lose, it is a kick in the ass at a pivotal moment in the season. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 01, 2019, 09:29:30 AM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on August 01, 2019, 09:07:47 AM
What would most Tyronies thinking be on this match? Surley Harte will be looking to find a chink in the Dublin armour either tactically or via exposing their weakest area on the pitch (if either actually exist). 

A very unique situation for both teams, a dead rubber match effectively with Tyrone everything to gain.  If Tyrone win, it will give them a mental edge going forward, if Tyrone lose it is to be expected. 

Likewise if Dublin win, it is expected, if they lose, it is a kick in the ass at a pivotal moment in the season.

So long as we aren't embarrassed I'll be happy. Not bothered about the result.
Far rather find a chink in the armour later on in the year  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 01, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
No point in going full throttle and potentially beat Dublin  in a game that doesn't really matter. Why give the dubs a chance to strength any potential weakness they may have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 01, 2019, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2019, 01:01:19 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Heard from a very good source that Dublin hasn't been mentioned in training this last two weeks, only the semi final.
Fella said that Tyrone will be weakened team this week. Mightnt field at all.


See if that what you say turns out to be a load of aul shite, will you come back here and admit so ?

The first part of my post is true. The second folly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 01, 2019, 10:51:35 AM
I don't see a big benefit in winning if I'm honest. Firstly (and rightly so) people will say that it was only against an under strength and uninterested Dublin if they do win. So even the psychological benefit will be watered down on the players.
Course getting battered by Dublin's 2nds wouldn't be a great result either. As long as it's close and we ring in a number of changes then a win or loss by a few points doesn't really matter. I'd be more worried about protecting the main players and not revealing too much to the Dubs.

That said. I think McShane will start....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on August 01, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
Fed up playing Donegal too..would love to get a crack at Kerry (or Mayo) and try to put to get rid of the  'can't beat any of the big 3' accusations.

Personally I don't think we got the credit we deserved for beating Doneagl (in Ballybofey) and Monaghan in Croke last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 01, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
Fed up playing Donegal too..would love to get a crack at Kerry (or Mayo) and try to put to get rid of the  'can't beat any of the big 3' accusations.

Personally I don't think we got the credit we deserved for beating Doneagl (in Ballybofey) and Monaghan in Croke last year.

Sadly, it's more than an accusation. We haven't beaten any of 'the big three' since we won the All-Ireland in 2008. In the intervening eleven years, we've played Dublin, Kerry or Mayo a total of 9 times in the championship and won none of them (only one was a draw, the rest we lost by an average of 5.6 points).

I unfortunately expect another two losses to Dublin & probably Kerry over the following fortnight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: scout on August 01, 2019, 03:29:46 PM
Snapchap, when did Tyrone draw with one of those teams in championship since 2008? Can barely mind it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: scout on August 01, 2019, 03:29:46 PM
Snapchap, when did Tyrone draw with one of those teams in championship since 2008? Can barely mind it.

My apologies, got slightly mixed up, there were no draws. 9 defeats from the 9 games vs the 'big 3' in the last 11 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 01, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
Fed up playing Donegal too..would love to get a crack at Kerry (or Mayo) and try to put to get rid of the  'can't beat any of the big 3' accusations.

Personally I don't think we got the credit we deserved for beating Doneagl (in Ballybofey) and Monaghan in Croke last year.

Sadly, it's more than an accusation. We haven't beaten any of 'the big three' since we won the All-Ireland in 2008. In the intervening eleven years, we've played Dublin, Kerry or Mayo a total of 9 times in the championship and won none of them (only one was a draw, the rest we lost by an average of 5.6 points).

I unfortunately expect another two losses to Dublin & probably Kerry over the following fortnight.

The reason Tyrone didn't beat Kerry or Mayo last year was because neither team made it far enough in the championship. They were both poor last year and all logic suggests Tyrone would have beaten them.

You can also take Dublin out of the equation as they have beaten everyone in recent years and that accounts for the majority of the defeats.

The two losses that the current team endured against Kerry and Mayo were in 2015 and 2016. On both occasions the games were close with Tyrone losing narrowly. I do think our team has matured a good bit from then, in particular the 2015 u21 team which accounts for 6/7 starters.

Kerry seem to have improved from last year and they'd be a huge battle next week. I would give us a good chance of taking them though, it would be a massive game for this current Tyrone team and would be great for their confidence to get over the line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
The reason Tyrone didn't beat Kerry or Mayo last year was because neither team made it far enough in the championship. They were both poor last year and all logic suggests Tyrone would have beaten them.
You can only beat what is in front of you but we can't second guess what we 'would have' done if we'd met them at different times. The cold hard fact is that we've had 11 years and 9 opportunities against those three teams and we've lost every one of them.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
You can also take Dublin out of the equation as they have beaten everyone in recent years and that accounts for the majority of the defeats.
Taking Dublin out of the equation doesn't cut it as an excuse. In those 9 years, only three of them were years that we were defeated by the Dubs and they went on to win the All-Ireland. Plus another year where they beat us and still didn't win the All-Ireland. Then there were another 3 years when Dublin won the All-Ireland but we still lost to Kerry or Mayo.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
The two losses that the current team endured against Kerry and Mayo were in 2015 and 2016. On both occasions the games were close with Tyrone losing narrowly. I do think our team has matured a good bit from then, in particular the 2015 u21 team which accounts for 6/7 starters.
2016 was close, losing by a point (we still lost). In 2013, they beat us by 6 after dismantling us in the second half.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
Kerry seem to have improved from last year and they'd be a huge battle next week. I would give us a good chance of taking them though, it would be a massive game for this current Tyrone team and would be great for their confidence to get over the line.
Sadly, I can't be so confident. The gameplan Mickey Harte has stuck rigidly to over the last decade has not been good enough and, after a promising shift of style in the league, it has reverted since the defeat to Donegal. Even if he switches back to the attacking style (with Donnelly in the forward line), it's a system we just aren't well versed enough in yet. We played it for a half a game vs Cork but that won't be enough to perfect it to face the Dublins or Kerrys.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
The reason Tyrone didn't beat Kerry or Mayo last year was because neither team made it far enough in the championship. They were both poor last year and all logic suggests Tyrone would have beaten them.
You can only beat what is in front of you but we can't second guess what we 'would have' done if we'd met them at different times. The cold hard fact is that we've had 11 years and 9 opportunities against those three teams and we've lost every one of them.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
You can also take Dublin out of the equation as they have beaten everyone in recent years and that accounts for the majority of the defeats.
Taking Dublin out of the equation doesn't cut it as an excuse. In those 9 years, only three of them were years that we were defeated by the Dubs and they went on to win the All-Ireland. Plus another year where they beat us and still didn't win the All-Ireland. Then there were another 3 years when Dublin won the All-Ireland but we still lost to Kerry or Mayo.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
The two losses that the current team endured against Kerry and Mayo were in 2015 and 2016. On both occasions the games were close with Tyrone losing narrowly. I do think our team has matured a good bit from then, in particular the 2015 u21 team which accounts for 6/7 starters.
2016 was close, losing by a point (we still lost). In 2013, they beat us by 6 after dismantling us in the second half.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
Kerry seem to have improved from last year and they'd be a huge battle next week. I would give us a good chance of taking them though, it would be a massive game for this current Tyrone team and would be great for their confidence to get over the line.
Sadly, I can't be so confident. The gameplan Mickey Harte has stuck rigidly to over the last decade has not been good enough and, after a promising shift of style in the league, it has reverted since the defeat to Donegal. Even if he switches back to the attacking style (with Donnelly in the forward line), it's a system we just aren't well versed enough in yet. We played it for a half a game vs Cork but that won't be enough to perfect it to face the Dublins or Kerrys.

As you say you can only beat what is put in front of you and I just don't get why we needed to beat Kerry or Mayo last year to prove anything when neither team were near All Ireland standard. They were both very poor in last years championship. Beating them would have been a bit like Kerry claiming their win over Tyrone in 2012 was beating the 2000's team.

Mayo a few years ago were certainly a top 3 team but they weren't last year and haven't looked like one in the championship so far this year.

Kerry the last few years have dropped back as well though may well improve again this year. If we end up playing them next week it will be a huge challenge and a game to really look forward to.

After all the defeats and their home record beating Donegal in Ballybofey was as big a monkey of Tyrone's back as beating Mayo or Kerry last year.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 01, 2019, 05:15:17 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 04:05:59 PM

Sadly, I can't be so confident. The gameplan Mickey Harte has stuck rigidly to over the last decade has not been good enough and, after a promising shift of style in the league, it has reverted since the defeat to Donegal. Even if he switches back to the attacking style (with Donnelly in the forward line), it's a system we just aren't well versed enough in yet. We played it for a half a game vs Cork but that won't be enough to perfect it to face the Dublins or Kerrys.

I think Mickey's game plan has been forced a little by the talent available. I don't believe we had the talent available within the county to challenge with the players we had from 2010-2018. In fact it's only been the emergence of McShane this year that allows us to be considered with the big boys again. If anything I think Mickey overachieved with the talent he had.

Beating Donegal last year in Ballybofey was as big a victory as beating Kerry or Mayo IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 01, 2019, 05:38:11 PM
Devils advocate here a wee bit.......
Take McShane out of the equation, and what has changed...........really?
Free-taking,  a solid man-marker corner-back,  powerful midfield driving through,  quality half backs going straight through the opposition defence,  maybe I'm glass quarter full at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 01, 2019, 05:47:40 PM
Cannot see Peter Harte play Sunday due to black card issue imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 01, 2019, 10:46:22 PM
Quote from: skeog on August 01, 2019, 05:47:40 PM
Cannot see Peter Harte play Sunday due to black card issue imo.

Think he will play and it will be a near full strength Tyrone team too. It's not in MH psyche to play weakened teams. He will want to beat Dublin on Sunday as there is no guarantee that we will play them again this season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 02, 2019, 12:00:02 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 01, 2019, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2019, 01:01:19 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 31, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Heard from a very good source that Dublin hasn't been mentioned in training this last two weeks, only the semi final.
Fella said that Tyrone will be weakened team this week. Mightnt field at all.


See if that what you say turns out to be a load of aul shite, will you come back here and admit so ?

Do you seriously think he thinks Tyrone mightn't field? 🤔

No but I ve lost count of the times people have quoted a ' very good source' or a 'very reliable source' stuff that turns out to be a load of shite. You don't hear much from them afterwards
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sean Dearg on August 02, 2019, 12:13:06 AM
Pure conjecture but would expect MH to field close to but not quite full strength team. Expect us to play ultra ultra defensive and settle for a 'close' (vs dublin <6 point) loss. Think he will fancy Kerry more than Donegal in semi final (perhaps wrongly given donegals mounting defensive issues). If we get to play Dublin again in AIF, then I think we will see high press and much more direct style with Mattie D/ McShane/ Petey pushing right up but as other posters have observed it's hard to turn it on if we haven't played it since the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 02, 2019, 12:48:50 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 01, 2019, 05:38:11 PM
Devils advocate here a wee bit.......
Take McShane out of the equation, and what has changed...........really?
Free-taking,  a solid man-marker corner-back,  powerful midfield driving through,  quality half backs going straight through the opposition defence,  maybe I'm glass quarter full at this stage.

I know what you are saying, but to put forward the case for the defence of an improved Tyrone...
Take McShane out of the equation, - you can't just take him out of the equation, he's there and the top scorer in Ireland. A huge plus.
Free-taking - McShane and Harte have been very solid this year.
A solid man-marker corner-back - Ronan McNamee is in much better form than last year and doing a good job on the opposition's danger men.
powerful midfield driving through - I agree here but Brian Kennedy has huge potential and now has the best part of a season behind him. 
Quality half backs going straight through the opposition defence - what about the emergence of Michael Cassidy?
Maybe I'm glass quarter full at this stage - I always turn into a glass half full supporter at this stage of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 02, 2019, 08:11:54 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 01, 2019, 11:04:36 PM
Hindsight is great but taking Peter Harte's ban on the chin was the best option for Tyrone.

Getting him a black card in the dying seconds of the Cork game would have been the 2nd best option.

If Enda McGinley was right black cards don't carry for an All Ireland final. If that's the case there would have been no point in trying to get a black card versus Cork (especially in a tight game you needed to have your mind on winning). Whether he was rested for this weekends game or suspended he still would have been available for a semi final. And if he got a black card in the semi final he'd still be available for a final if they get that far. Tyrone also intended appealing the other two black cards again so not sure how that went.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 02, 2019, 09:17:18 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
The reason Tyrone didn't beat Kerry or Mayo last year was because neither team made it far enough in the championship. They were both poor last year and all logic suggests Tyrone would have beaten them.
You can only beat what is in front of you but we can't second guess what we 'would have' done if we'd met them at different times. The cold hard fact is that we've had 11 years and 9 opportunities against those three teams and we've lost every one of them.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
You can also take Dublin out of the equation as they have beaten everyone in recent years and that accounts for the majority of the defeats.
Taking Dublin out of the equation doesn't cut it as an excuse. In those 9 years, only three of them were years that we were defeated by the Dubs and they went on to win the All-Ireland. Plus another year where they beat us and still didn't win the All-Ireland. Then there were another 3 years when Dublin won the All-Ireland but we still lost to Kerry or Mayo.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
The two losses that the current team endured against Kerry and Mayo were in 2015 and 2016. On both occasions the games were close with Tyrone losing narrowly. I do think our team has matured a good bit from then, in particular the 2015 u21 team which accounts for 6/7 starters.
2016 was close, losing by a point (we still lost). In 2013, they beat us by 6 after dismantling us in the second half.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 01, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
Kerry seem to have improved from last year and they'd be a huge battle next week. I would give us a good chance of taking them though, it would be a massive game for this current Tyrone team and would be great for their confidence to get over the line.
Sadly, I can't be so confident. The gameplan Mickey Harte has stuck rigidly to over the last decade has not been good enough and, after a promising shift of style in the league, it has reverted since the defeat to Donegal. Even if he switches back to the attacking style (with Donnelly in the forward line), it's a system we just aren't well versed enough in yet. We played it for a half a game vs Cork but that won't be enough to perfect it to face the Dublins or Kerrys.

Only one team has beaten Dublin once in the past 7 Championships so you can take them out of the equation. Tyrone were dying a slow death from 09-14. Since then it's been pretty much an entirely new squad with an entirely new tactical approach. We lost to Kerry by 3 in 2015 and Mayo by 1 in 2016. Since then we have been making it as far as we could until we met the team nobody can beat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 02, 2019, 11:48:33 AM
Benny,  won't do the whole requote thing.....
Thing about McShane is that a team like Dublin could take him out of the equation,  and prabably will
Still missing too many frees imho, to win an AI
Mc namee needs help in there,  although Brennan is solid
Half backs and midfield; I'm not convinced,  although I agree with you that Kennedy and Cassidy will be fine footballers
Just think that to beat the Dubs esp. you need to be so solid with little or no weak links,  I would be afraid that there are a few
Just my view
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 02, 2019, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 02, 2019, 11:48:33 AM
Benny,  won't do the whole requote thing.....
Thing about McShane is that a team like Dublin could take him out of the equation,  and prabably will
Still missing too many frees imho, to win an AI
Mc namee needs help in there,  although Brennan is solid
Half backs and midfield; I'm not convinced,  although I agree with you that Kennedy and Cassidy will be fine footballers
Just think that to beat the Dubs esp. you need to be so solid with little or no weak links,  I would be afraid that there are a few
Just my view

Justifiable concerns but each of the other contenders will have similar concerns or different ones to us in the face of Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 02, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

Sunday you mean!!! Kyle Coney as well along with Big McClure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 02, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
I've seen the team, almost certain every player who started last week isn't starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 02, 2019, 10:08:27 PM
15 changes as per Teamtalk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 02, 2019, 10:26:23 PM
Gallen
McLaughlin
Hampsey
Rafferty
McCann
McCrory
Cassidy
McDonnell
McClure
R Donnelly
Coney
Grugan
Mulgrew
McAliskey
C McCann

No sign of any u20s on bench
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 02, 2019, 11:23:40 PM
Great decision by Mickey
Nothing to be gained from playing full team especially with semi final a week away.
The worst case scenario would be - playing them full out - in Omagh nd they rest a few and still win.
It's a dead rubber game - but I still expect the team he has named to be flying as there is semi final places up for grabs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on August 02, 2019, 11:29:32 PM
All fine and well but is not a bit like also naming the team for the semi?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 02, 2019, 11:39:28 PM
Happy with that, good opportunity for a few guys there and good to see Mulgrew back too.

Is Harry Loughran injured or has he dropped off the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 03, 2019, 07:05:08 AM
If that team starts as named we will have some very big players dotted around the middle so it will be interesting to see how the kickouts go there. McDonnell, McClure, Grugan, R Donnelly, Coney and C McCann are all around 6ft2 plus and will be operating in that area. On the flipside it means that we will be lacking a lot of pace around that particular area of the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on August 03, 2019, 07:14:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 02, 2019, 11:39:28 PM
Happy with that, good opportunity for a few guys there and good to see Mulgrew back too.

Is Harry Loughran injured or has he dropped off the panel?

Not sure but seen both him and Mulgrew on the sideline v Cork but
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 03, 2019, 08:43:16 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 02, 2019, 11:29:32 PM
All fine and well but is not a bit like also naming the team for the semi?

I know what you're saying but everyone could guess 13/14 of the semi final line up even if this game wasn't taking place. If Hampsey comes through the first half ok I'd say he could be withdrew to save him for next week. Cassidy/McCann/Donnelly probably need big performances if they're to start the semi.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on August 03, 2019, 12:50:08 PM
Anyone that thinks that's the team tomorrow needs to catch themselves on.. Dublin would beat that by at least 15 points and the would be awful going into a semi final.. I'd say 5 changes max. Also forget about harry loughran hes always injured another passenger on county setup
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 03, 2019, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on August 03, 2019, 12:50:08 PM
Anyone that thinks that's the team tomorrow needs to catch themselves on.. Dublin would beat that by at least 15 points and the would be awful going into a semi final.. I'd say 5 changes max. Also forget about harry loughran hes always injured another passenger on county setup
go easy on the moonshine, moonshine.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on August 03, 2019, 07:47:31 PM
Am after an adult and a juvenile ticket for the match tomorrow. Let me know if anyone can point me in the right direction. Much appreciated
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 04, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Well it's gameday. I fear we're gonna get tanked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 04, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 04, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Well it's gameday. I fear we're gonna get tanked.

Anyone with any sense has taken Dublin -4 anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on August 04, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 04, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 04, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Well it's gameday. I fear we're gonna get tanked.

Anyone with any sense has taken Dublin -4 anyway.

I think the entire country were on that one!  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on August 04, 2019, 06:47:18 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 04, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 04, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 04, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Well it's gameday. I fear we're gonna get tanked.

Anyone with any sense has taken Dublin -4 anyway.

I think the entire country were on that one!  :D

Missed the game today. Anything of note from Tyrone? Anyone put down a marker?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 04, 2019, 07:20:01 PM
Nobody really marking anybody farce. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 04, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on August 04, 2019, 06:47:18 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 04, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 04, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 04, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Well it's gameday. I fear we're gonna get tanked.

Anyone with any sense has taken Dublin -4 anyway.

I think the entire country were on that one!  :D

Missed the game today. Anything of note from Tyrone? Anyone put down a marker?
Richie donnelly and casdidy were standout players for Tyrone, both got knocks and came off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 04, 2019, 08:29:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 04, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on August 04, 2019, 06:47:18 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 04, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 04, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 04, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Well it's gameday. I fear we're gonna get tanked.

Anyone with any sense has taken Dublin -4 anyway.

I think the entire country were on that one!  :D

Missed the game today. Anything of note from Tyrone? Anyone put down a marker?
Richie donnelly and casdidy were standout players for Tyrone, both got knocks and came off.

Agreed, I was alsoimpressed by David Mulgrew, showed very well for the ball and looked very sharp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 04, 2019, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on August 04, 2019, 06:47:18 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 04, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 04, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 04, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Well it's gameday. I fear we're gonna get tanked.

Anyone with any sense has taken Dublin -4 anyway.

I think the entire country were on that one!  :D

Missed the game today. Anything of note from Tyrone? Anyone put down a marker?

Benny gallen was actually really good until he mucked up for the goal. Good to have him as backup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Erne Man on August 04, 2019, 08:39:56 PM
Based on today's performance surely Conor McAlliskey needs to  start for you lot next week? Looked sharp, and a better option in a 2 man full forward line than McCurry.
Hampsey was key for Tyrone last year, but looks a liability in the full back line this year - he looks like a man carrying a niggly injury. Maybe 20mins in him somewhere from 5 - 9.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 04, 2019, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2019, 08:29:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 04, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on August 04, 2019, 06:47:18 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 04, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 04, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 04, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Well it's gameday. I fear we're gonna get tanked.

Anyone with any sense has taken Dublin -4 anyway.

I think the entire country were on that one!  :D

Missed the game today. Anything of note from Tyrone? Anyone put down a marker?
Richie donnelly and casdidy were standout players for Tyrone, both got knocks and came off.

Agreed, I was alsoimpressed by David Mulgrew, showed very well for the ball and looked very sharp.

Feck I thought Donnelly was terrible. Was actually thinking he's done himself more harm than good. Loses position far too often.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 04, 2019, 10:25:17 PM
Thought Donnelly, mulgrew and Cassidy did good enough
Was disappointed that the players did my go full at it to stake a place. Mcaliskey should def see more game time as he scored a few great points.

Was disappointed with Coney. Thought this would m be a great game for him to stake a play but while he played good and got on the ball I expected a bit more.

Would love too see a lee brennan or Bradley play up front with mcshane. Think that would be a great scoring combination
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 05, 2019, 09:44:36 AM
Based on the game yesterday, I doubt anyone will really be knocking on the door hard to get into the starting 15 next weekend. Especially disappointed with Tiernan McCann who needed a big one to get back in after his prior capers.

McAliskey looked ok in the first half, but O'Carroll was all at sea, he didn't look comfortable at all under the high ball which is his supposed strength compared to the rest of the Dubs.

Handy one for Dublin.

Harte will hardly care.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:53:48 AM
Given the strength of Dublins bench I was happy enough with how we competed. Goal put a bigger margin in it than there probably should have been, Conal McCann was very unlucky not to get a goal in the second half.

I thought both corner backs particularly McLaughlin did rightly. McAliskey and Donnelly pushing hard for starting positions. Coney had a good second half and seen a lot of ball but again question marks will hang over how he'd do if tighter marked. Mulgrew had a decent game for a player that hasn't played all year. Gallen did really well too.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 05, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
I despire when I see a 'Tyrone fan' coming on here and describing a Tyrone player as 'dirt'.

You might not rate him. You might describe his weakness. However the fella commits to the jersey. Deserves better than that crass comment.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 05, 2019, 12:59:50 PM
Aidan Mc Crory was quitely effective yesterday credit to his ability to perform well against all his critics.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 05, 2019, 01:05:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer.  He's not even in the top 5 players for ballygawley!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

Name them?  The man could barely give a 20 yard kick pass. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on August 05, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

Name them?  The man could barely give a 20 yard kick pass. 

Golden years you clearly are clueless. The man made several 20 yards passes yesterday comfortably The problem you have is he goes through a game unnoticed but do you realise when he does this generally his man is quiet too.. also calling him muck?? Give me other alternatives within the county at present? Outside Stephen mc Nally of coalisland mc crory is up there with top 10 defenders in Tyrone. And let's be honest hes as good as hugh pat ciaran mc lauglin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

Name them?  The man could barely give a 20 yard kick pass.

Neither can former footballer of the year Michael Darragh Macauley. Mickey McGee won an All Ireland with Tyrone and would barely play the ball at all but he was a very effective player. McCrory is not a flashy player but he's a reliable and dependable player who doesn't not deserve the vitriol put forward his way. As better players have emerged in the past few years, McCrory has found his game time more limited, he hasn't thrown a strop and ditched the panel mid season either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:32:17 PM
I also thought Ciaran McLaughlin and Liam Rafferty both did well yesterday and should be worth a run at corner back in the league next year if they can stay fit and healthy. Both might be lacking a little in height though. I also felt Grugan did quite well and would think he might have played his way into playing a part next weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
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I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 06, 2019, 08:30:02 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

Just like last week with the u20's it appears your only examples relate to your own club men. I don't think anyone would argue that McNally is a better all round footballer than McRory. However, he may not be a better disciplined marking defender than McRory.

Also McNally did get chances on the Tyrone team but at the time we were strong around the half back line and he didn't quite make it. He continued to improve as a club player and as far as I'm aware was asked back to trials/early season panels but declined the invitation. You can't play a man if he doesn't want to be there.

I don't think anyone watching the game on Sunday would have picked McRory out as the worst player on the pitch and that was against a decent Dublin forward line. The way people go on here you'd think he should have stood out a mile as being useless. Instead he was quite effective - disciplined defensively and offered support going forward. As I say I wouldn't have him on the Tyrone starting team but he's no where near as bad as is made out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on August 06, 2019, 08:34:09 AM


That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got.  

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns. 




Local expert I said mc nally would be worth a punt but unfortunately hes a bit like yourself having a chip on your shoulder with a errigal man in charge of the team.

Aidan mc crory warranted his opportunity to be involved in tyrone setup over past 8 or 9 years as at club level he is whether you like it or not in you top 10 consistent club defenders. Alot of people could say local expert Brendan early wasnt in top 3 defenders in brackaville or big mc Gahan was  4th best forward in killyman. But they did ok for coalisland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 06, 2019, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: Moonshine on August 06, 2019, 08:34:09 AM


That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.




Local expert I said mc nally would be worth a punt but unfortunately hes a bit like yourself having a chip on your shoulder with a errigal man in charge of the team.

Aidan mc crory warranted his opportunity to be involved in tyrone setup over past 8 or 9 years as at club level he is whether you like it or not in you top 10 consistent club defenders. Alot of people could say local expert Brendan early wasnt in top 3 defenders in brackaville or big mc Gahan was  4th best forward in killyman. But they did ok for coalisland.

Are you serious?  Does being consistent warrant a county call up?  County footballers are the elite players within your county not the consistent ones.  Down the years we had a few of the top 10 consistent club players who never got call ups and to be honest i dont think they were county level. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 06, 2019, 09:25:19 AM
Personally I just can't get the image of Aiden Mc crory turning his back to the ball when con o Callaghan was shooting for goal in the semi 2 years ago but that's done and dusted. Business end of the championship now so doubt we will see Mc crory again anyway. And for a poster to refer to a Tyrone player as 'dirt'  just because they think they aren't good enough is very unfair.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 06, 2019, 09:38:38 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
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Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

Was there not an element of this man not taking the chances that he did get? Did he not get an awful roasting at an internal game? Which of course could happen to anyone but then went to Oz a week later or something - does that sound slightly familiar?

I hear this about McNally a lot, good player....great engine. But you seem to compare him to McCrory - is he not competing for a wing back berth as opposed to a corner back / utility back. It's not really a like for like - pretty much pick on the weakest player you can think of argument.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 06, 2019, 10:38:19 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 09:16:14 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 10:43:05 AM
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 06, 2019, 10:46:27 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 06, 2019, 09:38:38 AM
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Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
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Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

Was there not an element of this man not taking the chances that he did get? Did he not get an awful roasting at an internal game? Which of course could happen to anyone but then went to Oz a week later or something - does that sound slightly familiar?

I hear this about McNally a lot, good player....great engine. But you seem to compare him to McCrory - is he not competing for a wing back berth as opposed to a corner back / utility back. It's not really a like for like - pretty much pick on the weakest player you can think of argument.

Did Darren McCurry not apparently give connor gormley an awful roasting in an in house game? Did that mean connor gormley wasn't good enough?

If you think that a club forward player would rather see stephen mcnally coming to man mark them than aidan mccrory then I think you are deluded!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 06, 2019, 10:38:19 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 09:16:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 05, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Golden Years on August 05, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 02, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 02, 2019, 03:48:58 PM
I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.

One of your club men has got plenty of chances this year despite the fact he has had a number of very poor outings. I don't hear you cribbing about that though. I think McKernan should be further down the pecking order than he is at present.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 06, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
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I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.

One of your club men has got plenty of chances this year despite the fact he has had a number of very poor outings. I don't hear you cribbing about that though. I think McKernan should be further down the pecking order than he is at present.

You're entitled to your opinion but he wasnt part of the conversion. However since you mentioned him... young player of the year  nomination and club all star last year would make me believe there aren't many better options in Tyrone.

I'll let you argue different....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
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I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.

One of your club men has got plenty of chances this year despite the fact he has had a number of very poor outings. I don't hear you cribbing about that though. I think McKernan should be further down the pecking order than he is at present.

You're entitled to your opinion but he wasnt part of the conversion. However since you mentioned him... young player of the year  nomination and club all star last year would make me believe there aren't many better options in Tyrone.

I'll let you argue different....

It's everything thing to do with. You're arguing McCrory is getting game time without any merit. He started a dead rubber yesterday and it was his first Championship start in 2 years. McKernan's form has been poor this year, he has plenty of potential but I think he's lucky to have kept his place ahead of others.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on August 06, 2019, 11:29:18 AM
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I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.

What other Ballygawley player are you on about?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 06, 2019, 11:35:54 AM
Have never been a big fan of McCrorys but I think people on here should get off his back - he would probably give the lads posting on here a right good roasting when they where at there peak.

I thought Mackers was on the panel at a stage and he quit? Maybe Im wrong on that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 06, 2019, 11:47:10 AM
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I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.

One of your club men has got plenty of chances this year despite the fact he has had a number of very poor outings. I don't hear you cribbing about that though. I think McKernan should be further down the pecking order than he is at present.

You're entitled to your opinion but he wasnt part of the conversion. However since you mentioned him... young player of the year  nomination and club all star last year would make me believe there aren't many better options in Tyrone.

I'll let you argue different....

It's everything thing to do with. You're arguing McCrory is getting game time without any merit. He started a dead rubber yesterday and it was his first Championship start in 2 years. McKernan's form has been poor this year, he has plenty of potential but I think he's lucky to have kept his place ahead of others.

Aidan snr you need to calm down you can't even finish your sentences.  Everything to do with what?

I didn't say he didn't get there from merit..... I'm sure he never misses training, is always on time,  is really really fit, salutes der fuhrer and only drinks blackcurrant and water after a big win.   My arguement was he isn't good enough!

Regards mckernan  please see my previous post RE: your opinion etc etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 06, 2019, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: WT4E on August 06, 2019, 11:35:54 AM
Have never been a big fan of McCrorys but I think people on here should get off his back - he would probably give the lads posting on here a right good roasting when they where at there peak.

I thought Mackers was on the panel at a stage and he quit? Maybe Im wrong on that

He left twice I believe. Look he's a great player, but I think this blame game is wrong. It sounds to me like he had a few chances at Tyrone and didn't fancy the fight to be honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 11:52:51 AM
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I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.

One of your club men has got plenty of chances this year despite the fact he has had a number of very poor outings. I don't hear you cribbing about that though. I think McKernan should be further down the pecking order than he is at present.

You're entitled to your opinion but he wasnt part of the conversion. However since you mentioned him... young player of the year  nomination and club all star last year would make me believe there aren't many better options in Tyrone.

I'll let you argue different....

It's everything thing to do with. You're arguing McCrory is getting game time without any merit. He started a dead rubber yesterday and it was his first Championship start in 2 years. McKernan's form has been poor this year, he has plenty of potential but I think he's lucky to have kept his place ahead of others.

Aidan snr you need to calm down you can't even finish your sentences.  Everything to do with what?

I didn't say he didn't get there from merit..... I'm sure he never misses training, is always on time,  is really really fit, salutes der fuhrer and only drinks blackcurrant and water after a big win.   My arguement was he isn't good enough!

Regards mckernan  please see my previous post RE: your opinion etc etc.

You're very reticent to dish out the same criticism to your fellow club man as you are to other players. McCrory has started one Championship game for Tyrone in two years and it was a dead rubber game where a second string 15 started. What is your agenda here, Stephen?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on August 06, 2019, 02:22:24 PM
Angelo it's pretty clear the local expert has been spending too much time with the dinosaur o Hagan brainwashed.

Local expert your right mc kernan did have a good year last year young player of year nominee and a club all star (club all star lmao pile of pish)

Fact is hes been poor this year. Lucky to have as much game time as he is getting. I'm just hoping hes not playing next week as Clifford will run him ragged.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 06, 2019, 02:50:57 PM
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I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.

One of your club men has got plenty of chances this year despite the fact he has had a number of very poor outings. I don't hear you cribbing about that though. I think McKernan should be further down the pecking order than he is at present.

You're entitled to your opinion but he wasnt part of the conversion. However since you mentioned him... young player of the year  nomination and club all star last year would make me believe there aren't many better options in Tyrone.

I'll let you argue different....

It's everything thing to do with. You're arguing McCrory is getting game time without any merit. He started a dead rubber yesterday and it was his first Championship start in 2 years. McKernan's form has been poor this year, he has plenty of potential but I think he's lucky to have kept his place ahead of others.

Aidan snr you need to calm down you can't even finish your sentences.  Everything to do with what?

I didn't say he didn't get there from merit..... I'm sure he never misses training, is always on time,  is really really fit, salutes der fuhrer and only drinks blackcurrant and water after a big win.   My arguement was he isn't good enough!

Regards mckernan  please see my previous post RE: your opinion etc etc.

You're very reticent to dish out the same criticism to your fellow club man as you are to other players. McCrory has started one Championship game for Tyrone in two years and it was a dead rubber game where a second string 15 started. What is your agenda here, Stephen?

I didn't give an opinion on mckernan because it wasn't part of the discussion but if you want it here goes

As good as last year - no
Better than aidan McCrory- definitely so by your argument for aidan McCrorys squad inclusion mckernan must be in the top 6/7 defenders in tyrone no?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 06, 2019, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on August 06, 2019, 02:22:24 PM
Angelo it's pretty clear the local expert has been spending too much time with the dinosaur o Hagan brainwashed.

Local expert your right mc kernan did have a good year last year young player of year nominee and a club all star (club all star lmao pile of pish)

Fact is hes been poor this year. Lucky to have as much game time as he is getting. I'm just hoping hes not playing next week as Clifford will run him ragged.

Club all star complete pile of piss but was indicative of how good he was in the club championship don't you think?

Who wouldn't Clifford run ragged?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
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I could see Benny Gallen starting tomorrow for sure. Maybe give Aidy McCrory a final run out as well.

There is absolutely not doubt aidan McCrory will play tomorrow and unless he retires he'll still be there next year as well!

I hate the way a loyal servant like McRory gets such a hard time on here. I wouldn't start him but he's a good man to have about the panel. If all the players had his attitude we'd be a lot better of and wouldn't have boys walking off panels mid season.

He didn't look out of his depth yesterday and did fairly well. Worked hard got forward to set up scoring chances on a few occasions and still got back and stuck in at the back.

The man is dirt.  Shouldnt be there.  Plenty of better players around the county never got the chances that man got.

There's been worse players on the panel than McCrory over the past few years.

There's also many better players who didn't get a look in because they didn't share a similar postcode to der fuhrer. 

Like who?

anyone that can run at speed and solo the ball at the same time are instantly better footballers!

There were plenty of players who could run at speed and solo the ball better than Mickey McGee, if you ever played the game you might know that defenders are there to defend first and foremost.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Since you are such an expert could you explain how he has played so many times for tyrone and stephen mcnally was overlooked? Which one of the two do you think is better?

I think McNally is certainly worth a go but there are other defenders in the Tyrone panel that I think he may be worth a shot over other than McCrory, one of them is McNally's own team mate. He has played so many times as he has been dependable and one of our better players, we've had guys like Ryan McKenna, Ciaran McGinley, Dermy Carlin, Barry Tierney, PJ Quinn and a few others who regularly got time for Tyrone when McCrory has been in the squad. In that time McCrory established himself as one of Tyrone's best defenders which may have said it all about the state of football in Tyrone in that time. We've blooded some new players since then and McCrory has fallen down the pecking order.

That time has come and gone unfortunately as mcnally is in his 30s now.  If his club jersey had have had a bit more yellow and more white than blue he would have got the same chances aidan McCrory got. 

I'd hazard a guess there aren't many posters on this forum would take aidan McCrory over mackers to play for their club team in their upcoming championship campaigns.

There were worse players than McCrory getting picked in those years. It's a bit sad using McCrory to criticse Harte because he didn't pick one of your clubmen.

My opinion is McCrory got a hell of alot of chances because of his club something that I feel is being mirrored with another ballygawley player who has been calamitous at times this year.  You asked me for an example so I gave you the player i see most.

One of your club men has got plenty of chances this year despite the fact he has had a number of very poor outings. I don't hear you cribbing about that though. I think McKernan should be further down the pecking order than he is at present.

You're entitled to your opinion but he wasnt part of the conversion. However since you mentioned him... young player of the year  nomination and club all star last year would make me believe there aren't many better options in Tyrone.

I'll let you argue different....

It's everything thing to do with. You're arguing McCrory is getting game time without any merit. He started a dead rubber yesterday and it was his first Championship start in 2 years. McKernan's form has been poor this year, he has plenty of potential but I think he's lucky to have kept his place ahead of others.

Aidan snr you need to calm down you can't even finish your sentences.  Everything to do with what?

I didn't say he didn't get there from merit..... I'm sure he never misses training, is always on time,  is really really fit, salutes der fuhrer and only drinks blackcurrant and water after a big win.   My arguement was he isn't good enough!

Regards mckernan  please see my previous post RE: your opinion etc etc.

You're very reticent to dish out the same criticism to your fellow club man as you are to other players. McCrory has started one Championship game for Tyrone in two years and it was a dead rubber game where a second string 15 started. What is your agenda here, Stephen?

I didn't give an opinion on mckernan because it wasn't part of the discussion but if you want it here goes

As good as last year - no
Better than aidan McCrory- definitely so by your argument for aidan McCrorys squad inclusion mckernan must be in the top 6/7 defenders in tyrone no?

If any objective person watched the last 2 Tyrone games I'd be surprised if they picked McKernan out as a better defender than McCrory. For a man who is meant to be so bad and who had hardly featured all year he came in and did a solid job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2019, 04:49:48 PM
Who the f**k cares about McCrory v McKernan v McNulty. Just stop fecking quoting each other!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 06, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Mickey is praising the sky coverage miles ahead of RTE and sure if you cannot afford it wait for the highlights.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on August 06, 2019, 05:52:26 PM
Just don't kick the ball on top of Moran. Kerry will try to force that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2019, 04:49:48 PM
Who the f**k cares about McCrory v McKernan v McNulty. Just stop fecking quoting each other!!

Agreed, it's not good for the vertigo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on August 06, 2019, 10:04:14 PM
Expect Tyrone to be very competitive this weekend. Stating the obvious but we need to converting the majority of our chances, including any half goal chances. in the AIF last year our conversation rate was very poor, even in the last 10 minutes when we were coming back at Dublin we were snatching at chances.

Sean O Se is still a cub but he can be so good with his frees and we don't have that sort of free taker from distance. Harte and McShane have improved our ratio of frees converted from inside 40 yards but I'd say our frees from 40 yards out isn't as good as Dublin or Kerry. Couple of missed frees can be the difference. 

Brian Kennedy, if he starts, needs to learn to break ball or at least be a spoiler. Yes he is young but if his only job this weekend is to stop Kerry winning clean ball on their kick out then he'll have done a good job. Morgan won't lump it out though, like Mayo did in the match in Killarney. Tyrone are ahead of Kerry in terms of kick out strategy, we'll get possession there. I don't think we can live of scraps, possession wise and score more than Kerry but I think we are smart enough and more experienced than Kerry to hold our own there.

I can't see us starting like we did against Cork in the first half, we were so slow in that half, but will we push 2-3 men up front? Maybe tight in the first half and see how the game develops.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 08, 2019, 03:37:24 AM
Deegan worries me more than Clifford to be honest. That f**ker reffing is 5 points worth to kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 08, 2019, 07:26:01 AM
Any calls for this weekend?

I expect McNamee to pick up Geaney, I've a feeling if Hampsey is fit enough maybe Harte will let the Fianna man try and rattle Clifford?

For me though its crucial that we stop David Moran dominating around the middle, Colm will probably be tasked with that job,

Also I expect Tommy Walsh to come on with 15/20 to go no matter what the score is, another problem to deal with, going to be a game won on the line I think and I'm looking forward to heading down the road to see it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on August 08, 2019, 08:10:46 AM
The match up will be
McNamee on Clifford
O'Brien - R Brennan
HP McGeary on Geaney

Hopefully Cavanagh will mark Moran but I fear it will be Kennedy who shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Don't think Hampsey will play - clearly injured and was hobbling about withan ice pack when taken off last week. Will prob be a sub with 20 to go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 08, 2019, 08:24:05 AM
Kerry will be good at buying frees that's for sure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on August 08, 2019, 08:40:20 AM
QuoteThe match up will be
McNamee on Clifford
O'Brien - R Brennan
HP McGeary on Geaney
]

I can see Meyler picking up O'Brien. Has the legs to match him. And probably Brennan on Geaney.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 08, 2019, 09:21:04 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2019, 08:10:46 AM
The match up will be
McNamee on Clifford
O'Brien - R Brennan
HP McGeary on Geaney

Hopefully Cavanagh will mark Moran but I fear it will be Kennedy who shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Don't think Hampsey will play - clearly injured and was hobbling about withan ice pack when taken off last week. Will prob be a sub with 20 to go.

At least Kennedy will have a bit of mobility about him. Cavanagh will be swallowed whole if he tries to go out into the middle and compete as a traditional midfielder - he doesn't have the legs anymore. Cavanagh will do his usual role I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 08, 2019, 10:40:57 AM
If Hampsey isn't fit and isn't playing I can see Tyrone struggling. Don't think Tyrone have the defenders to stop Kerry's firepower, even if they set up the blanket defence, Kerry just have too many good attacking options

Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2019, 08:10:46 AM
The match up will be
McNamee on Clifford
O'Brien - R Brennan
HP McGeary on Geaney

Hopefully Cavanagh will mark Moran but I fear it will be Kennedy who shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Don't think Hampsey will play - clearly injured and was hobbling about withan ice pack when taken off last week. Will prob be a sub with 20 to go.
Who do we put onto Sean O'Shea? Tom OSullivan is another who needs close attention.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on August 08, 2019, 10:59:57 AM
The Kerry forward line is much better than ours as is their options up front on their bench.

Saying that our defence is infinitely better as is our defensive system.

The big question is can we transition quickly enough to give our men up top the support. The worst thing that can happen is we pay so much attention to stopping them we arent as effective going forward.

You can run up a big score against them but we need to find the balance in keeping it tight at the back.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on August 08, 2019, 11:08:36 AM
Kieran McGeary on Sean o'Shea, do a similar job on him that he did on Shane Walsh of Galway in the 2nd half of league game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid 2.0 on August 08, 2019, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2019, 08:10:46 AM
The match up will be
McNamee on Clifford
O'Brien - R Brennan
HP McGeary on Geaney

Hopefully Cavanagh will mark Moran but I fear it will be Kennedy who shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Don't think Hampsey will play - clearly injured and was hobbling about withan ice pack when taken off last week. Will prob be a sub with 20 to go.

In my opinion our best option for Clifford would be Aidan McCrory as he will never worry about attacking and will focus solely on there main threat. Stop him we stop them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid on August 08, 2019, 12:21:51 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 08, 2019, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2019, 08:10:46 AM
The match up will be
McNamee on Clifford
O'Brien - R Brennan
HP McGeary on Geaney

Hopefully Cavanagh will mark Moran but I fear it will be Kennedy who shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Don't think Hampsey will play - clearly injured and was hobbling about withan ice pack when taken off last week. Will prob be a sub with 20 to go.

In my opinion our best option for Clifford would be Aidan McCrory as he will never worry about attacking and will focus solely on there main threat. Stop him we stop them
That's just silly now , the discussion board is a serious place. Grow up now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid 2.0 on August 08, 2019, 12:37:02 PM
Quote from: OurKid on August 08, 2019, 12:21:51 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 08, 2019, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2019, 08:10:46 AM
The match up will be
McNamee on Clifford
O'Brien - R Brennan
HP McGeary on Geaney

Hopefully Cavanagh will mark Moran but I fear it will be Kennedy who shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Don't think Hampsey will play - clearly injured and was hobbling about withan ice pack when taken off last week. Will prob be a sub with 20 to go.

In my opinion our best option for Clifford would be Aidan McCrory as he will never worry about attacking and will focus solely on there main threat. Stop him we stop them
That's just silly now , the discussion board is a serious place. Grow up now

Based on your posts strange to see you comment on something unrelated to Tee or killyclogher, stay in your lane
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on August 08, 2019, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 08, 2019, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2019, 08:10:46 AM
The match up will be
McNamee on Clifford
O'Brien - R Brennan
HP McGeary on Geaney

Hopefully Cavanagh will mark Moran but I fear it will be Kennedy who shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Don't think Hampsey will play - clearly injured and was hobbling about withan ice pack when taken off last week. Will prob be a sub with 20 to go.

In my opinion our best option for Clifford would be Aidan McCrory as he will never worry about attacking and will focus solely on there main threat. Stop him we stop them
;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyronerebel on August 09, 2019, 03:19:24 PM
How do yous all see Sunday going?

Predicted Lineups and matchups?

opinions other than the 'Our Kids' would be great.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on August 09, 2019, 06:57:14 PM
1. Morgan
2. HP McGeary
3. McNamee
4. Brennan
5. McKernan
6. K McGeary
7. Burns
8. Kennedy
9. Cavanagh
10. Meyler
11. Sludden
12. R. Donnelly
13. McShane
14. M. Donnelly
15. Harte

The match-ups I see for the 5 main Kerry forwards are Hugh Pat on Geaney, McNamee on Clifford, Brennan on Spillane
Meyler on O'Brien, K McGeary or McKernan on Sean O'Shea.
Think Hugh Pat will start as Hampsey doesn't look comfortable in the full back line at the moment. Cassidy I think may come into the half back line again but it is tight between him and McKernan. If Cassidy does I can see him picking up O'Brien with Meyler going on to O'Shea.
Hampsey and McCann are capable subs to bring in.

Cavanagh to do the usual sweeping role. Burns to help out also.
Kennedy to stick to Moran - if possible. Moran is their key player. The amount of ball he gets on and the forward momentum he gives them with his kick passing is massive. If Kennesy is struggling then one of our half backs on the bench should replace him and do a marking job.

Sludden, Burns, Meyler to link the play with Peter further up in the half forward line. Expect Tom O'Sullivan to pick Peter up.

I think there is enough evidence that Mattie Donnelly is most effective this year in the full forward line. If we can't get the ball up to him and McShane then yes he can come out around half forward. But don't think he should be slogging back in his own half back line - we are relatively strong in that area.

Tough one between Richie and McCurry, personally i would go with Richie (with Mattie inside) and leave McCurry as an impact sub.

That leaves on the bench (wouldn't be surprised or disappointed really if any of these start):
Hampsey
T. McCann
Cassidy
McCurry
McAliskey

We have real options and just hope we can put together a performance for 70 minutes. We have had two dire first halves this year against Donegal and Cork, only scoring 5 points. Can't afford that on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jayop on August 09, 2019, 07:26:28 PM
I think that's harsh on mccalliskey. He was our top scorer by a mile last year and should have had an all star nomination. He's performed very well when played this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 09, 2019, 10:44:06 PM
 I wouldn't be starting McKernan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on August 10, 2019, 01:15:57 PM
McAliskey to me although he had a great year last year, hasn't done a huge amount this year - obviously the injury is part of that. He did look lively against Dublin and took some good scores.

McKernan i thought played particularly well in Roscommon, put in a few strong tackles and dispossessed the opposition. Also set-up a goal against Kildare and the key one against Cork.
He was roasted by Brennan in the Donegal game and did make a mistake by rushing out against Cork for their 2nd goal.
Not much between him and Cassidy for a half back place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 05:46:18 PM
A combination of Maurice Deegan doing his usual Kerry charity act and once again our players folding in the face of adversity was the case today.

I think tactically we got it right, we were winning our match ups defensively McShane and Donnelly were getting great joy. Deegan hauled Kerry back into it with some ridiculous frees and as soon as Kerry got within a point we collapsed mentally, the heads dropped, the mistakes came and we had a few bad misses, some players hid.

I don't want to be too harsh on the players, I think they put a huge effort in each year but I think deep down we're just not good enough - in saying that I don't think anyone else is either, if it was a different era I'd say we are leaving All Irelands behind us in the last 4/5 years but I think Dublin are just so far ahead of everyone right now and I don't see another teams stopping them in the next 2/3 years.

Kerry are fairly ordinary and I think it was more a case of Deegan and Tyrone beating themselves. They haven't a hope against the Dubs.

Harte has another year left I think so he will probably see it out. I don't think you can blame the line today, I think you have to look at some of our players and say they imploded when the going got tough. I don't see another management team coming in and taking us on another level, I think we are getting close to the max from these players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 06:10:55 PM
6 championship defeats in 2 years is some going. Excellent first half though but once Kerry got to grips with Mc Shane we ran out of ideas. Still not enough quality forwards starting for Tyrone which won't cut it against the top teams. Peter harte total anonymous again when it mattered. Huge setback for Tyrone to lose this against an inexperienced Kerry team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 06:29:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 06:10:55 PM
6 championship defeats in 2 years is some going. Excellent first half though but once Kerry got to grips with Mc Shane we ran out of ideas. Still not enough quality forwards starting for Tyrone which won't cut it against the top teams. Peter harte total anonymous again when it mattered. Huge setback for Tyrone to lose this against an inexperienced Kerry team.

It was a huge setback but we wouldn't be winning the final and neither will Kerry.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 05:46:18 PM
A combination of Maurice Deegan doing his usual Kerry charity act and once again our players folding in the face of adversity was the case today.

I think tactically we got it right, we were winning our match ups defensively McShane and Donnelly were getting great joy. Deegan hauled Kerry back into it with some ridiculous frees and as soon as Kerry got within a point we collapsed mentally, the heads dropped, the mistakes came and we had a few bad misses, some players hid.

I don't want to be too harsh on the players, I think they put a huge effort in each year but I think deep down we're just not good enough - in saying that I don't think anyone else is either, if it was a different era I'd say we are leaving All Irelands behind us in the last 4/5 years but I think Dublin are just so far ahead of everyone right now and I don't see another teams stopping them in the next 2/3 years.

Kerry are fairly ordinary and I think it was more a case of Deegan and Tyrone beating themselves. They haven't a hope against the Dubs.

Harte has another year left I think so he will probably see it out. I don't think you can blame the line today, I think you have to look at some of our players and say they imploded when the going got tough. I don't see another management team coming in and taking us on another level, I think we are getting close to the max from these players.

Major issue with mickey is that he's far too slow to make changes.  A quick forward such as Darren McCurry would have had a field days against that key defence, I'm no fan of McCurry but he would have scored plenty against them. What was he point in bringing him on in 65 minute or so.

Also meyler gave away far to lo much ball as Kieran.  Meyler should have been off at half time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on August 11, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 06:29:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 06:10:55 PM
6 championship defeats in 2 years is some going. Excellent first half though but once Kerry got to grips with Mc Shane we ran out of ideas. Still not enough quality forwards starting for Tyrone which won't cut it against the top teams. Peter harte total anonymous again when it mattered. Huge setback for Tyrone to lose this against an inexperienced Kerry team.

It was a huge setback but we wouldn't be winning the final and neither will Kerry.

Angelo your reasoning is always really poor. From what I can tell you will always blame the ref first and the players second. The game is barely over and your straight on here to abscond the management from any blame. You reasoning that it doesn't matter who won today because neither team will beat Dublin is odd. If that is the case why do teams even bother, never mind commit a huge part of their life in an attempt to be successful.
I, like everyone else have no idea if a change in management would help things or not but the harsh reality is that we are not progressing. We are good but we nearly always lose the games against the teams we think we are at the same level as, (kerry, Mayo,).
What I don't understand is why Mickey Harte just doesn't say "I have given this thing a real go but it hasn't worked for me in the last 11 years. Maybe I should let someone else have a go"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 11, 2019, 07:35:29 PM
Harte should call it a day. Thanks for the memories mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 11, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 06:29:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 06:10:55 PM
6 championship defeats in 2 years is some going. Excellent first half though but once Kerry got to grips with Mc Shane we ran out of ideas. Still not enough quality forwards starting for Tyrone which won't cut it against the top teams. Peter harte total anonymous again when it mattered. Huge setback for Tyrone to lose this against an inexperienced Kerry team.

It was a huge setback but we wouldn't be winning the final and neither will Kerry.

Angelo your reasoning is always really poor. From what I can tell you will always blame the ref first and the players second. The game is barely over and your straight on here to abscond the management from any blame. You reasoning that it doesn't matter who won today because neither team will beat Dublin is odd. If that is the case why do teams even bother, never mind commit a huge part of their life in an attempt to be successful.
I, like everyone else have no idea if a change in management would help things or not but the harsh reality is that we are not progressing. We are good but we nearly always lose the games against the teams we think we are at the same level as, (kerry, Mayo,).
What I don't understand is why Mickey Harte just doesn't say "I have given this thing a real go but it hasn't worked for me in the last 11 years. Maybe I should let someone else have a go"

You're the guy who imagines things that never took place so we need not place much heed in what you say.

Do you see anyone stopping Dublin this year, next year or the year after. They're on the cusp of 5 in a row, nobody has really got closed to them in a game in 2 years now.

I don't think it was the line that lost us the game today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on August 11, 2019, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 11, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 06:29:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 06:10:55 PM
6 championship defeats in 2 years is some going. Excellent first half though but once Kerry got to grips with Mc Shane we ran out of ideas. Still not enough quality forwards starting for Tyrone which won't cut it against the top teams. Peter harte total anonymous again when it mattered. Huge setback for Tyrone to lose this against an inexperienced Kerry team.

It was a huge setback but we wouldn't be winning the final and neither will Kerry.

Angelo your reasoning is always really poor. From what I can tell you will always blame the ref first and the players second. The game is barely over and your straight on here to abscond the management from any blame. You reasoning that it doesn't matter who won today because neither team will beat Dublin is odd. If that is the case why do teams even bother, never mind commit a huge part of their life in an attempt to be successful.
I, like everyone else have no idea if a change in management would help things or not but the harsh reality is that we are not progressing. We are good but we nearly always lose the games against the teams we think we are at the same level as, (kerry, Mayo,).
What I don't understand is why Mickey Harte just doesn't say "I have given this thing a real go but it hasn't worked for me in the last 11 years. Maybe I should let someone else have a go"

You're the guy who imagines things that never took place so we need not place much heed in what you say.

Do you see anyone stopping Dublin this year, next year or the year after. They're on the cusp of 5 in a row, nobody has really got closed to them in a game in 2 years now.

I don't think it was the line that lost us the game today.

You never do, it's always the ref or the players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 07:50:11 PM
Angelo, what's Dublin going for 5 in a row got to do with the fact we have just been beat by Kerry? Donegal beat us too and Monaghan last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 08:06:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 07:50:11 PM
Angelo, what's Dublin going for 5 in a row got to do with the fact we have just been beat by Kerry? Donegal beat us too and Monaghan last year.

We've beaten Donegal and Monaghan when it mattered in knockout football.

The Kerry game today was disappointing, I don't think it was lost on the line today though. I though we had our tactics spot on and a few very poor refereeing decisions and a number of silly errors cost us. McGeary gave a cheap turnover that led to a goal and that pretty much sealed it. Are the players not accountable too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 11, 2019, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 11, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 06:29:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 06:10:55 PM
6 championship defeats in 2 years is some going. Excellent first half though but once Kerry got to grips with Mc Shane we ran out of ideas. Still not enough quality forwards starting for Tyrone which won't cut it against the top teams. Peter harte total anonymous again when it mattered. Huge setback for Tyrone to lose this against an inexperienced Kerry team.

It was a huge setback but we wouldn't be winning the final and neither will Kerry.

Angelo your reasoning is always really poor. From what I can tell you will always blame the ref first and the players second. The game is barely over and your straight on here to abscond the management from any blame. You reasoning that it doesn't matter who won today because neither team will beat Dublin is odd. If that is the case why do teams even bother, never mind commit a huge part of their life in an attempt to be successful.
I, like everyone else have no idea if a change in management would help things or not but the harsh reality is that we are not progressing. We are good but we nearly always lose the games against the teams we think we are at the same level as, (kerry, Mayo,).
What I don't understand is why Mickey Harte just doesn't say "I have given this thing a real go but it hasn't worked for me in the last 11 years. Maybe I should let someone else have a go"

You're the guy who imagines things that never took place so we need not place much heed in what you say.

Do you see anyone stopping Dublin this year, next year or the year after. They're on the cusp of 5 in a row, nobody has really got closed to them in a game in 2 years now.

I don't think it was the line that lost us the game today.

You never do, it's always the ref or the players

Absolutely not - go back to the Donegal game, I laid the blame firmly at the management team for the way we didn't protect the full back line. You were too busy imagining Colm Cavanagh playing in a role he didn't play to acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 11, 2019, 09:27:05 PM
First half Tyrone were fairly dominant, impressive stuff - even as far in as 45-50 mins could only see Tyrone winning. Maybe should have been further ahead at that stage.

Kerry in the end deserved to win, out thought Tyrone on the sideline and out fought them in the end on the pitch.

Look honestly, Tyrone have some good players, McShane didn't deserve to lose today - but the players that are constantly barraged on this board....Peter Harte, Matty Donnelly....Niall Sludden!....let Tyrone down a bagful by Final Whistle. They are not of the level that we are told and I think it's time we accepted that.

One question, not a wind up. Did Tyrone gas against Kerry? All I could think of was Strength and conditioning, I thought Tyrone might pip Kerry with their fitness...but it looked to me like it was Kerry who were the better prepared team for the final 10 today after all the talk of how well they were conditioned.

If we are being honest Dublin hammer both teams, especially if Kerry defend like they did in 1st but I think it's worth questioning some 'untouchables' on this Tyrone team (Lets be honest, Mickey Harte is there next year and never leaving)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Think you're unfair on Mattie Donnelly thought Kerry couldn't handle him and McShane in the full forward line at all. Sludden was decent today don't think he deserved to be hooked. But yeah Peter Harte was atrocious. I hear people complain about off the ball stuff. That comes with the territory when you're a top player. You have to deal with it and get on with it. Clifford, O'Callaghan and all these boys get rough treatment.

Personally I think Hartes time is up. Maybe with Donnelly leaving the set up it's time to change everything. Is there an All Ireland in that team? No not with Dublin dominating but it's time for a freshen up. 16 years is a very long innings players although they wouldn't admit it must be sick hearing the same voice. I'd say Colm Cavanagh will pull the pin looking at him after the match with the daughter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Think you're unfair on Mattie Donnelly thought Kerry couldn't handle him and McShane in the full forward line at all. Sludden was decent today don't think he deserved to be hooked. But yeah Peter Harte was atrocious. I hear people complain about off the ball stuff. That comes with the territory when you're a top player. You have to deal with it and get on with it. Clifford, O'Callaghan and all these boys get rough treatment.

Personally I think Hartes time is up. Maybe with Donnelly leaving the set up it's time to change everything. Is there an All Ireland in that team? No not with Dublin dominating but it's time for a freshen up. 16 years is a very long innings players although they wouldn't admit it must be sick hearing the same voice. I'd say Colm Cavanagh will pull the pin looking at him after the match with the daughter.

Look it's easy to blame peter harte but on 1 occasion he tried to make a run but was literally pushed back by the defender 3 feet in front of deegan. From the tyrone 45 to the kerry 45 this happened  and deegan watched and did nothing. How can any player counteract this?? Once a defender gets away with this it onlys gets worse as they know they wont get blown for it.

Wait till the dubs do it to kerry then we will hear shouts of foul from the kerry supporters. From the reaction of the Kerry players you would think they won without help from deegan.

Between refs like deegan and financial advantage Gaelic football is dead and it's a very sad day for me and any true supporter alike.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 11, 2019, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Think you're unfair on Mattie Donnelly thought Kerry couldn't handle him and McShane in the full forward line at all. Sludden was decent today don't think he deserved to be hooked. But yeah Peter Harte was atrocious. I hear people complain about off the ball stuff. That comes with the territory when you're a top player. You have to deal with it and get on with it. Clifford, O'Callaghan and all these boys get rough treatment.

Personally I think Hartes time is up. Maybe with Donnelly leaving the set up it's time to change everything. Is there an All Ireland in that team? No not with Dublin dominating but it's time for a freshen up. 16 years is a very long innings players although they wouldn't admit it must be sick hearing the same voice. I'd say Colm Cavanagh will pull the pin looking at him after the match with the daughter.

Look it's easy to blame peter harte but on 1 occasion he tried to make a run but was literally pushed back by the defender 3 feet in front of deegan. From the tyrone 45 to the kerry 45 this happened  and deegan watched and did nothing. How can any player counteract this?? Once a defender gets away with this it onlys gets worse as they know they wont get blown for it.

Wait till the dubs do it to kerry then we will hear shouts of foul from the kerry supporters. From the reaction of the Kerry players you would think they won without help from deegan.

Between refs like deegan and financial advantage Gaelic football is dead and it's a very sad day for me and any true supporter alike.
100 % correct. It was so obvious it has left a sour taste for sure. I'd love to see mal orourke manage us, still think there is an all Ireland in that team, but we would have had 3 times the support there today if a new manager was there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on August 11, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 01, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
Fed up playing Donegal too..would love to get a crack at Kerry (or Mayo) and try to put to get rid of the  'can't beat any of the big 3' accusations.

Personally I don't think we got the credit we deserved for beating Doneagl (in Ballybofey) and Monaghan in Croke last year.

Sadly, it's more than an accusation. We haven't beaten any of 'the big three' since we won the All-Ireland in 2008. In the intervening eleven years, we've played Dublin, Kerry or Mayo a total of 9 times in the championship and won none of them (only one was a draw, the rest we lost by an average of 5.6 points).

I unfortunately expect another two losses to Dublin & probably Kerry over the following fortnight.

Called it.

There's something about this Tyrone team, and I don't mean that in a complimentary way, sadly.

The are a decent team but nothing more than that. They are a team devoid of leadership, devoid of flair, devoid of anything stand-out. Too many of the same type of uninspiring players that look like they had spent the half hour before games getting their hair sitting just right. And managed by a man who seems to have lost any interest in/ ability for tactical innovation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on August 11, 2019, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 11, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 01, 2019, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 01, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
Fed up playing Donegal too..would love to get a crack at Kerry (or Mayo) and try to put to get rid of the  'can't beat any of the big 3' accusations.

Personally I don't think we got the credit we deserved for beating Doneagl (in Ballybofey) and Monaghan in Croke last year.

Sadly, it's more than an accusation. We haven't beaten any of 'the big three' since we won the All-Ireland in 2008. In the intervening eleven years, we've played Dublin, Kerry or Mayo a total of 9 times in the championship and won none of them (only one was a draw, the rest we lost by an average of 5.6 points).

I unfortunately expect another two losses to Dublin & probably Kerry over the following fortnight.

Called it.

There's something about this Tyrone team, and I don't mean that in a complimentary way, sadly.

The are a decent team but nothing more than that. They are a team devoid of leadership, devoid of flair, devoid of anything stand-out. Too many of the same type of uninspiring players that look like they had spent the half hour before games getting their hair sitting just right. And managed by a man who seems to have lost any interest in/ ability for tactical innovation.

I agree with that analysis of the team but not harte, i think he is rinsing the very limits of what he can with this team, we are 3-4 in the country but are missing a midfielder and another forward, atm mark Harte donnelly and mcshane and we are done. Harte will not go, after the sunday game and a lot of "should he go" articles in the press we will get a "I love this team and mickey harte" or something to that effect by the players and it will be as you where 3-5th in the league, probably an ulster title and super 8 or semi exit for 2020 - we don't have the players and they don't have the hard edge/mentality to get an all-ireland
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:51:25 PM
And just like clockwork, harte on sky afterwards blaming everything on the ref. Would turn your stomach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.

He was fouled directly in front of the ref on numerous occasions.  Could have put him in the penalty box and it wouldn't have matter to deegan. He was never going to call it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.

He was fouled directly in front of the ref on numerous occasions.  Could have put him in the penalty box and it wouldn't have matter to deegan. He was never going to call it

Tyrone have done the exact same V oppositions' key players down through the years - no point in complaining when teams block off a few runs in an All Ireland semi-final.

Too much blaming the referee also. Tyrone were in a great position at half-time but couldn't push on.

Sludden was not happy when taken off.  He seemed very disappointed.  I thought he was linking up well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 12, 2019, 08:30:42 AM
The fact that Peter Harte stayed on says everything you need to know about yesterdays performance on and off the field. Taking Sludden off was a ridiculous decision. Meyler as well was poor.

Harte must go. That game was there for the taking and was lost on the line. With Peter Donnelly exiting now is the time for a new fresh senior setup. Harte will never go of his own free will, so unfortunately he must be removed. I wouldn't be surprised to see a player revolt, with a lot of players declaring themselves unavailable if he stays on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrdub on August 12, 2019, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.

PH was being tactically fouled all day, some of it in front of Deegan who in my opinion was atrocious yesterday. Surely its a mark of how highly Kerry rate him when they went tot his extreme to take him out of the game. But I do agree, he should have been moved inside to see what damage he could do
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on August 12, 2019, 09:02:30 AM
The disappointment of the result hasnt hit me yet - more anger and frustration - the game was there for the taking.

Ref was poor but didnt beat us - we did that ourselves.

PH should certainly have been moved up front out in the open. The amount of runs being blocked/bear hugs that went unpunished was incredible but its an AI semi final and he should have expected and indeed planned for that.
McShane was very good, won almost every ball that was kicked into him but he did miss a few handy scores.
Mattie was just ok - we needed a huge game from him.
Meyler had an off day.
Sludden had lost the head after getting booked for no reason but MH jumped the gun by taking him off - was playing well

IMHO the losing of the game was actually in the first half - we completely dominated and didnt go for the jugular. It seemed that we were happy to be a few points in front and thought we could continue that way in the second half.

Watching the game back last night I couldnt help but think the pick of both teams wouldnt beat the Dubs though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 09:15:52 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on August 12, 2019, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.

PH was being tactically fouled all day, some of it in front of Deegan who in my opinion was atrocious yesterday. Surely its a mark of how highly Kerry rate him when they went tot his extreme to take him out of the game. But I do agree, he should have been moved inside to see what damage he could do

If we are being honest it was just the same as what David Moran got - do you not recall two or three instances he was surrounded by a sea of white? They weren't saying hello.

McKernan stripped one of Kerry lads on sideline where I was and was roaring in his face all sorts.....I don't think I'd get away with typing it here.

Nothing to see re: tactical fouling.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 12, 2019, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 12, 2019, 08:30:42 AM
The fact that Peter Harte stayed on says everything you need to know about yesterdays performance on and off the field. Taking Sludden off was a ridiculous decision. Meyler as well was poor.

At one stage in the 2nd half, did it not flash up on the big screen that Peter Harte was being replaced by Kyle Coney? was thinking to myself that's a first for MH to be taking him off for not playing well. Maybe if Kyle was on instead he would have made a better attempt for that goal chance that Peter Harte missed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 12, 2019, 08:30:42 AM
The fact that Peter Harte stayed on says everything you need to know about yesterdays performance on and off the field. Taking Sludden off was a ridiculous decision. Meyler as well was poor.

Harte must go. That game was there for the taking and was lost on the line. With Peter Donnelly exiting now is the time for a new fresh senior setup. Harte will never go of his own free will, so unfortunately he must be removed. I wouldn't be surprised to see a player revolt, with a lot of players declaring themselves unavailable if he stays on.

You could have taken all three off, Sludden was poor too. Meyler isn't a footballer but he has his uses....just wasn't to be for him yesterday and Peter Harte had little to no impact.

As for Harte going? Not happening, lets be honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 12, 2019, 08:30:42 AM
The fact that Peter Harte stayed on says everything you need to know about yesterdays performance on and off the field. Taking Sludden off was a ridiculous decision. Meyler as well was poor.

Harte must go. That game was there for the taking and was lost on the line. With Peter Donnelly exiting now is the time for a new fresh senior setup. Harte will never go of his own free will, so unfortunately he must be removed. I wouldn't be surprised to see a player revolt, with a lot of players declaring themselves unavailable if he stays on.

You could have taken all three off, Sludden was poor too. Meyler isn't a footballer but he has his uses....just wasn't to be for him yesterday and Peter Harte had little to no impact.

As for Harte going? Not happening, lets be honest.

Peter harte received a rough time of it aided by the ref letting kerry players do what they want to him. However it is a major failure on Mickeys behalf as i have never seen him sub peter harte in all my years watching.  Also a failure not at least move peter to closer to full forward.

As for mickey leaving there is no chance in hell. I fully expect after next year for the county board to offer him another extension and when that happens I will be washing my hands of tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrdub on August 12, 2019, 10:07:08 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 09:15:52 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on August 12, 2019, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.

PH was being tactically fouled all day, some of it in front of Deegan who in my opinion was atrocious yesterday. Surely its a mark of how highly Kerry rate him when they went tot his extreme to take him out of the game. But I do agree, he should have been moved inside to see what damage he could do

If we are being honest it was just the same as what David Moran got - do you not recall two or three instances he was surrounded by a sea of white? They weren't saying hello.

McKernan stripped one of Kerry lads on sideline where I was and was roaring in his face all sorts.....I don't think I'd get away with typing it here.

Nothing to see re: tactical fouling.

Sorry, as a half-neural here I have to disagree with you (and that's coming from someone who hated Tryone's dark arts specialists of the noughties). Yes Tyrone were in their faces but nowhere near the level of Kerry, and a lot of the Kerry tactics should have been carded, i dont think any Tyrone player should have been carded for off the ball stuff. I not saying they didn't do it, just they weren't as cynical or vociferous at it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on August 12, 2019, 10:07:08 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 09:15:52 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on August 12, 2019, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.

PH was being tactically fouled all day, some of it in front of Deegan who in my opinion was atrocious yesterday. Surely its a mark of how highly Kerry rate him when they went tot his extreme to take him out of the game. But I do agree, he should have been moved inside to see what damage he could do

If we are being honest it was just the same as what David Moran got - do you not recall two or three instances he was surrounded by a sea of white? They weren't saying hello.

McKernan stripped one of Kerry lads on sideline where I was and was roaring in his face all sorts.....I don't think I'd get away with typing it here.

Nothing to see re: tactical fouling.

Sorry, as a half-neural here I have to disagree with you (and that's coming from someone who hated Tryone's dark arts specialists of the noughties). Yes Tyrone were in their faces but nowhere near the level of Kerry, and a lot of the Kerry tactics should have been carded, i dont think any Tyrone player should have been carded for off the ball stuff. I not saying they didn't do it, just they weren't as cynical or vociferous at it

I see your point, the way I look at it, the game was there for Tyrone - they probably could/should have been home and hosed at HT and then they lost it both on the pitch and sideline. I don't really see the point in crying about dark arts when you were so easily the better team in the first half. I'm more annoyed at the stellar names on the Tyrone team no showing than what Kerry did - Kerry just did what they had to do to get over the line, i.e. Stephen O'Brien black and good luck to them.

I think the problem I really have is that year and year again we are sold a lie by some Tyrone fans - our players are best in Ireland (going through the qualifiers) but in the white heat of Croke Park they just aren't there and this is a repeat edition now unfortunately. I've accepted that Mickey Harte is staying to he's ready to go. Jesus I sound very negative but unless Tyrone unearth a couple of superstars in the next few months it's going to be the exact same next year surely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 10:54:37 AM
Unfortunately this Tyrone team / squad are mentally weak on the really big days in Croke Park.  Seeing them up close, that is not a great Kerry team, not yet anyway, they are still young but Tyrone's experience really should have seen them prevail through this.  I see people meanting fitness, S&C, Maurice Deegan as reasons for the defeat but no, this was once again an implosion by Tyrone.  After a very comfortable first half, they went completely into their shell 2nd half and looked like they played with fear.  A fear of going ahead and actually winning the match against Kerry. 

Some bizarre calls on the line as well yesterday I felt and I am a Mickey Harte fan.  Peter Harte was getting a lot of abuse and wasn't getting into the game.  Just move him into the full forward line and then you have a normal defender against a normal forward situation.  I thought that was a pretty simple / obvious move.  Peter Harte didn't touch the ball for the first 19-20 minutes of the game as I remember his first touch and thinking that's the first time I've seen him.  Our best player and we cant get him into the match.  You have to do  / change something to get him on the ball and to start affecting the play.

Matty Donnelly & Frank Burns were going really well first half but faded out of it second half.  We still lack forwards with real scoring firepower.  McShane done well yesterday but bar him, we didn't have another cutting edge forward.  McAliskey on his day could possibly bring that to Tyrone but he doesn't seem to be trusted to start by the management.  Still need another few though, the likes of Kerry have O'Shea, Clifford, Geaney and O'Brien who can cause damage.  All Dublins forwards and their subs can tear defences to shreds.  Tyrone lack the firepower up front to really put manners on the top 2 or 3 teams.  We probably depending on the likes of Canavan and a couple from the under 20's to come through to give us some more options up front.  You wont win an all Ireland without 4-5 top forwards tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on August 12, 2019, 10:57:53 AM
I see in mickeys post match interview he states that Tyrone have improved from last year. Anyone else think that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 12, 2019, 11:00:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on August 12, 2019, 10:07:08 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 09:15:52 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on August 12, 2019, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 11, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
If Peter harte was being tactically fouled as much as you say then why wasn't he moved into the full forward line where he would have won a few frees and been harder to get away with fouling him.

PH was being tactically fouled all day, some of it in front of Deegan who in my opinion was atrocious yesterday. Surely its a mark of how highly Kerry rate him when they went tot his extreme to take him out of the game. But I do agree, he should have been moved inside to see what damage he could do

If we are being honest it was just the same as what David Moran got - do you not recall two or three instances he was surrounded by a sea of white? They weren't saying hello.

McKernan stripped one of Kerry lads on sideline where I was and was roaring in his face all sorts.....I don't think I'd get away with typing it here.

Nothing to see re: tactical fouling.

Sorry, as a half-neural here I have to disagree with you (and that's coming from someone who hated Tryone's dark arts specialists of the noughties). Yes Tyrone were in their faces but nowhere near the level of Kerry, and a lot of the Kerry tactics should have been carded, i dont think any Tyrone player should have been carded for off the ball stuff. I not saying they didn't do it, just they weren't as cynical or vociferous at it

I see your point, the way I look at it, the game was there for Tyrone - they probably could/should have been home and hosed at HT and then they lost it both on the pitch and sideline. I don't really see the point in crying about dark arts when you were so easily the better team in the first half. I'm more annoyed at the stellar names on the Tyrone team no showing than what Kerry did - Kerry just did what they had to do to get over the line, i.e. Stephen O'Brien black and good luck to them.

I think the problem I really have is that year and year again we are sold a lie by some Tyrone fans - our players are best in Ireland (going through the qualifiers) but in the white heat of Croke Park they just aren't there and this is a repeat edition now unfortunately. I've accepted that Mickey Harte is staying to he's ready to go. Jesus I sound very negative but unless Tyrone unearth a couple of superstars in the next few months it's going to be the exact same next year surely.


I've watched the game back on TV.

I don't think you can fault the Tyrone players for effort but there's definitely a mental weakness there when things aren't going their way, the routine mistakes that were being made when the tide turned are unforgivable at this level and they were punished. I think the quality of some of our players isn't good enough.

Tactically the game had all the parameters that I felt we needed to win, we broke even on the primary possession, our defence shape was solid and compact for most of the game, I don't think you could fault the defence on shirking their duties, I though the likes of McNamee, Hampsey, Brennan, Cassidy and McKernan all played very well. We know Geaney and Clifford are top class, I think they are generally going to hit 5-6 points from play in any game and they hit 7 yesterday, one was a gift from a Morgan pass gone astray so I don't think you can put much blame there. I thought Meyler did a good job on Sean O'Shea and really limited his impact from play.

O'Brien was the one Kerry forward who had a real impact, it looked like McGeary who was picking him up - I don't think he did too bad a job on him all and all but McGeary cost us the goal with a loose pass after a surge up the pitch. It was endemic of the panic and lack of composure in Tyrone when things started to go wrong and it was ruthlessly punished though felt Geaney was extremely lucky not to be pulled up for overcarrying. I think it was Mattie who was tracking him back and let him run through as well.

McShane has been our best player this season but he missed a poor free and hand another poor wide shortly after that, he also should have taken his point when he tried to find Harte for a goal. Peter Harte was anonymous and it was another very disappointing performance from him in a big game, I have sympathy for him as the ref was watching him being pulled, dragged and checked by the same players all game and did nothing about it but Petey just has to learn how to deal with the attention. Sludden was harshly pulled ashore too not long after a poor miss.

There's also a real killer instinct in that team, in the first half we had so many openings where a goal chance could or should have been created and you can guarantee if Dublin are afforded that type of space they will hit that Kerry backline for 4 or 5 goals.

In saying that we would still have won that game only for Deegan pulling Kerry into it when they were second best, they had three nonsense frees handed to them at the start of the second half.

I thought we went out with a whimper in the end, I could not understand how easy Kerry were allowed get their restarts off after we had it back to a 3 point game a number of times in the closing 8/9 minutes. Surely somebody on the team has to be making a conscious decision to get the team to go up man on man in that time period and make it a battle for possession, instead we allowed Kerry to get the ball off and play for a soft free that they were getting all day to kill the time.

I'm not averse to a change of management, Harte has another year on his term so will likely see it out. I just don't feel as if management is the issue here. It was a case of some really poor basic errors being made by the players when the game was going against them and a referee intent on helping the opposition when they were in a very bad place that decided that game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 12, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: In hiding on August 12, 2019, 10:57:53 AM
I see in mickeys post match interview he states that Tyrone have improved from last year. Anyone else think that?

I think we have pretty much stayed fairly static, our performance yesterday was probably better than we performed against Monaghan this time last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 11:30:02 AM
Pretty frustrating defeat yesterday to be honest.  Had the feel of the Mayo QF defeat in 2016 - a game that was certainly there for the taking.  I don't think you can say the game was lost on the line.  Tactics were spot on in the first half and provided the platform to gain a 4 point lead.  You can argue it should have been more but I'll take a 4 point half time lead against Kerry any day. 

The goal was ultimately the huge turning point in the game.  What should have a been a score for us, turns into 3 for them and is a 4 point instant swing.  It's hard to legislate on the line for a terrible giveaway like that occurring.

Definitely don't think Deegan did us any favours.  Kerry got at least two ridiculous frees at the start of the second half to give them a foothold and there seemed to be a couple of strange free out decisions midway through the second half.  He also threw the ball up after the sludden booking incident where tyrone had possession inside the kerry half.  You can say its not about the referee but these points make a massive difference in a game.  Its very small margins, if Tyrone were given the same handy frees and the lead extends to 6 points, its probably done.

Feels though we are just missing that bit of real star star quality to get over the line.  McShane was great yesterday but we can't afford him to miss that free.  We also probably need him to be finishing off that goal chance.

What tactical changes specifically would others have made during the 2nd half that would have got us over the line?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on August 12, 2019, 11:38:56 AM
Colm Cavanagh looks to have retired from the county scene, going by his latest tweet there. Great servant to the Tyrone jersey, always gave it his all. Massive gain for Moy in starred games, provided injuries don't reoccur.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 11:39:57 AM
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on August 12, 2019, 12:26:16 PM
Surely its now time for Mickey to go, it was clear to see from yesterday's poor attendance that Tyrone Gaels are not going to the games because of the style of play and management. Even the loyal Gaels who attended Croke Park yesterday were talking about not returning again until Mickey steps aside.Surely for the sake of Tyrone GAA and the progress of the county teams change needs to happen before its too late.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on August 12, 2019, 12:41:56 PM
12 months ago the usual suspects on here were saying all we are missing is a top quality forward who can score 5 or 6 points every game and we could beat anyone then. Along comes Cathal Mc Shane who has been superb all year and now we have to come up with a new set of excuses
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 12, 2019, 01:37:33 PM
And now there will be added pressure on young canavan to get Tyrone to the next level. Feel sorry for the lad. I haven't attended a Tyrone game in 2 years and I really miss the match day buzz but I will not be back until harte and his cronies are gone. Incredibly selfish from harte to put himself before his county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 12, 2019, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 11:39:57 AM
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

Doesn't see much wrong with this, he's just saying what everyone else in the County is saying and as a pundit he's just giving his opinion, Mickey has been our greatest ever manager but there comes a time when its time to step down
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 11:39:57 AM
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 11:39:57 AM
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

This is the 4th or 5th snipe at Harte publicly from Sean Cavanagh.

Sean wasn't too brave to give his opinion in public when he was there, under Harte when maybe even he would have been able to influence him from within.

He's entitled to his opinion obviously, but leaves me thinking where were these views during his playing days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 03:33:39 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 11:39:57 AM
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

This is the 4th or 5th snipe at Harte publicly from Sean Cavanagh.

Sean wasn't too brave to give his opinion in public when he was there, under Harte when maybe even he would have been able to influence him from within.

He's entitled to his opinion obviously, but leaves me thinking where were these views during his playing days.

They probably were his views but I'd imagine he didn't want to say anything otherwise he would risk being dropped / axed / exiled from the team or maybe even the panel. He probably also felt it would be a waste of time to say anything as it maybe wouldn't change the coaching staff's minds and he was therefore just straining the relationship for nothing in the end up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 12, 2019, 04:23:01 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.

Kerry have a conveyor belt of underage talent to call upon, Tyrone have not been too impressive in that regard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 12, 2019, 04:31:46 PM
Whatever about the future, Harte has actually left at least one All Ireland and 2 or 3 USF titles behind him. Time to get rid and start a fresh. Sure we mightn't win anything but we're not winning anything at the minute. We've nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shawshank on August 12, 2019, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.

You couldn't make this up  ;D ;D ;D :o Currently bt in an All Ireland semi-final, All Ireland final last year, with the semifinal the year before. You want a new manager so you can get 'knocked out for a few years' Hi mate, that's regression. I tell you what way it will go when Harte leaves, you will regress. He has total power, same as Ferguson. When Harte goes that psychological hold will go as well. Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: shawshank on August 12, 2019, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.

You couldn't make this up  ;D ;D ;D :o Currently bt in an All Ireland semi-final, All Ireland final last year, with the semifinal the year before. You want a new manager so you can get 'knocked out for a few years' Hi mate, that's regression. I tell you what way it will go when Harte leaves, you will regress. He has total power, same as Ferguson. When Harte goes that psychological hold will go as well. Be careful what you wish for.

Read my post again please. I said we had 2 years of easy back door teams to get to the final last year and semi final this year. We have not beaten Mayo, Kerry or Dublin in over 4 years in croke park champonship football. This is most certainly not progression.  We can beat any team outside of these 3 but sure whats the point of getting to the semis or final if you realistically don't have a chance of winning. 

The problem with having total control is that there is no new ideas. What you have now is a group of players who are unable to think on their feet due to total control as you call it. Tyrone had worked on their kicking game and the running game but seem only capable of doing 1 or the other throughout a match. They do not seem to change it up depending on how the game is progressing. Thats due to players not having the confidence to think of their feet.

Tyrone have lost numerous attacking forwards due to Harte and now Peter donnelly is away as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 12, 2019, 05:21:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: shawshank on August 12, 2019, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.

You couldn't make this up  ;D ;D ;D :o Currently bt in an All Ireland semi-final, All Ireland final last year, with the semifinal the year before. You want a new manager so you can get 'knocked out for a few years' Hi mate, that's regression. I tell you what way it will go when Harte leaves, you will regress. He has total power, same as Ferguson. When Harte goes that psychological hold will go as well. Be careful what you wish for.

Read my post again please. I said we had 2 years of easy back door teams to get to the final last year and semi final this year. We have not beaten Mayo, Kerry or Dublin in over 4 years in croke park champonship football. This is most certainly not progression.  We can beat any team outside of these 3 but sure whats the point of getting to the semis or final if you realistically don't have a chance of winning. 

The problem with having total control is that there is no new ideas. What you have now is a group of players who are unable to think on their feet due to total control as you call it. Tyrone had worked on their kicking game and the running game but seem only capable of doing 1 or the other throughout a match. They do not seem to change it up depending on how the game is progressing. Thats due to players not having the confidence to think of their feet.

Tyrone have lost numerous attacking forwards due to Harte and now Peter donnelly is away as well.

The problem with the attacking forwards is that they are not cut out for the modern game.You look at the Kerry and Dublin full forward lines, they have no slight, small guys playing inside. You look at how someone like Darach O'Connor is no longer involved with Donegal. Guys like Loftus have really struggled to make the grade with Mayo.

We have a few decent forwards coming on the scene now, guys like Canavan, McAleer and Devlin will be ones to watch out for in a few years time. Canavan Jr looks like his game at county level is being targeted at playing out the field as he does not have the physical presence to play inside in the modern game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on August 12, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
For those calling for a change of management - if new management was put in place for the start of 2020, what would the expectations be over a 5 year period?

Based on the discontent at the efforts and results of our current manager, I would assume this to be:
1) At least 3 Ulster titles;
2) 2 All Ireland Final appearances with a semi final appearance as a bare minimum each year;
3) At least 1 All Ireland title.

Anything less would have to be deemed not good enough based on current standards.

Do those wanting new management genuinely believe that Tyrone will undoubtedly achieve the above with a new manager? Or is it a case of wanting new management to "see what happens"?

A change of management has to happen at some point so why not now. If we were to change manager I would expect within first 3 years to retain div 1 status and win 1 ulster. Not to unrealistic is it.

I believe a lot of people wouldn't mind getting knocked out for first few years as long as they could see tyrone building on it and getting better each year. That is not the case with her current set up. Same faults year after year and only for easier draws in last 2 years we would have been knocked out earlier.

Donegal and kerry are getting better each year and will be a massive force. You cant say the same for tyrone.

But if all we did in the next 3 years was win 1 ulster and retain division 1 status, do you honestly believe that the knives wouldn't be out for the new management team?  Consistent semi-finals (with a final appearance as well), Division 1 football and an Ulster title now and again have been deemed no longer good enough.

It appears that unless we get to the All Ireland Final every year, the management have a lot to answer for. 

We always hear about the likes of Donegal improving and being a force etc. Donegal haven't went further than Tyrone since 2014.  They have failed to get out of the super 8's the last 2 seasons. 

I think we have definitely improved since 2015.  Its ok saying we haven't beaten Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in a long time but the Dublin and Mayo sides of this decade are arguably two of the best sides the game has ever seen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 12, 2019, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: Club boi on July 08, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 06, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Do southtyronegael and his mates only comment on here during or after defeats? All very quiet this last few weeks.

We're now at important junction in the year where we enter the business end. I think the players deserve praise for putting in a huge amount of work this year again. They started the championship slowly but have put in very good performances in recent weeks.

Harte also deserves praise for leading us to the last 8 of the all Ireland in 14 out of his 17 seasons in charge, an incredible statistic. We have also got to 8 semi finals since he took over and hopefully we'll get back there and further again this year.

Next week looks like a huge game in deciding that. Hopefully a large support travel and give the team the support they deserve, Roscommon will be up for it big time.

Quiet - Tyrone have beaten nobody of note
Huge work - Is this not required every year??
Performances - Against lower opposition
Harte - Credit were due, just feel it time he moved on while he still gets the plaudits for these stats and not ruine his legacy

I will heap praise when we finally beat Kerry/Mayo or Dublin when it counts

No Praise. Beaten again
Nothing will change
Same again next year
Repeat
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on August 12, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
Time for MH to move on

His system of play hasn't beaten Kerry Mayo or Dublin when it matters since 2008

He brought players back this year but refused to give them much game time

His stubbornness and refusal to sub certain players has aided us in some of the defeats

A fresh approach is needed and a clear out required especially in committee which is made up mostly of nodding dogs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 12, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
When Michael Cassidy is limping off on 64 mins camera clearly shows harte shouting ' horse, horse, get him off to f**k'! Nice way to treat an injured player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 12, 2019, 11:27:09 PM
Anyone else thing that Petey Harte should have done more when O'Sullivan was blocking him right under Deegan's nose. I mean 4 or 5 times he pushed him directly into his chest. Why didn't Harte tear into him and f**k him out of the way or attempt to engineer a drag down foul? He was like a wee pup getting pushed around there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2019, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2019, 11:27:09 PM
Anyone else thing that Petey Harte should have done more when O'Sullivan was blocking him right under Deegan's nose. I mean 4 or 5 times he pushed him directly into his chest. Why didn't Harte tear into him and f**k him out of the way or attempt to engineer a drag down foul? He was like a wee pup getting pushed around there.

Had he done anything he'd have got a black card.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on August 13, 2019, 04:44:30 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2019, 11:27:09 PM
Anyone else thing that Petey Harte should have done more when O'Sullivan was blocking him right under Deegan's nose. I mean 4 or 5 times he pushed him directly into his chest. Why didn't Harte tear into him and f**k him out of the way or attempt to engineer a drag down foul? He was like a wee pup getting pushed around there.

He has form on it, he clearly doesnt have the stomach for being ruffled up. Some lads thrive on it some dont. Harte is the latter youd expect some backup for him if hes getting intimidated also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 13, 2019, 07:15:45 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2019, 04:44:30 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 12, 2019, 11:27:09 PM
Anyone else thing that Petey Harte should have done more when O'Sullivan was blocking him right under Deegan's nose. I mean 4 or 5 times he pushed him directly into his chest. Why didn't Harte tear into him and f**k him out of the way or attempt to engineer a drag down foul? He was like a wee pup getting pushed around there.

He has form on it, he clearly doesnt have the stomach for being ruffled up. Some lads thrive on it some dont. Harte is the latter youd expect some backup for him if hes getting intimidated also.

You'd also expect a competent referee to stamp it out straight away, Deegan was watching it happen all game long and didn't do a tap about it but was awarding phantom frees to Kerry 40 yards off the play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 13, 2019, 07:16:05 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 12, 2019, 11:39:57 AM
See Sean Cavanagh has called for Harte to quit (now it would appear obvious the brother has finished)

No fan of Harte but Cavanagh has really let himself down since finishing his county playing days.

How do you mean?  How DARE he give his opinion like.

This is the 4th or 5th snipe at Harte publicly from Sean Cavanagh.

Sean wasn't too brave to give his opinion in public when he was there, under Harte when maybe even he would have been able to influence him from within.

He's entitled to his opinion obviously, but leaves me thinking where were these views during his playing days.

I don't think its the fact he wasn't brave enough,its probably the fact he was stupid enough to say it or he would never have played under him again and imagine if a captain publicly says his manager should be sacked, imagine the outrage!! Stupid comment!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 13, 2019, 07:17:59 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 12, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
When Michael Cassidy is limping off on 64 mins camera clearly shows harte shouting ' horse, horse, get him off to f**k'! Nice way to treat an injured player.

What did you want him to do, run over and sponge him down and give me a wee muscle massage??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 13, 2019, 07:46:12 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 13, 2019, 07:17:59 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 12, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
When Michael Cassidy is limping off on 64 mins camera clearly shows harte shouting ' horse, horse, get him off to f**k'! Nice way to treat an injured player.

What did you want him to do, run over and sponge him down and give me a wee muscle massage??
well if it was me I'd be shouting ' horse, horse, get Petey off to f**k'.;
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 13, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
Disappointing on Sunday to be in the situation we where in at half time to to beaten more or less with ten minutes to go.... I see a few complaints about Peter Harte be fouled for the full game!! Did any off you watch Connor Meyler he fouled the full game......Kerry in first half looked completely clueless but when they introduced Sherwood and White at half time in the middle section of the field we got destroyed Colm and Ritchie got completely over run which in my eyes was the major factor on how we lost the game by the time Mattie came to that area off the field the game was over,we where so slow to make that change to try and counter act what Kerry had done.....I dont think we have enough natural footballers that make the correct decisions at the right time and cant see how that can be cured in the near future,i could be wrong but we are at least 2 defenders,1 midfielder and 2 forwards short to have a team with the correct balance to win an All Ireland...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 13, 2019, 09:03:11 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 13, 2019, 07:46:12 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 13, 2019, 07:17:59 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 12, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
When Michael Cassidy is limping off on 64 mins camera clearly shows harte shouting ' horse, horse, get him off to f**k'! Nice way to treat an injured player.

What did you want him to do, run over and sponge him down and give me a wee muscle massage??
well if it was me I'd be shouting ' horse, horse, get Petey off to f**k'.;

Haha true  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 09:18:52 AM
It's been all downhill from Thailand
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 13, 2019, 09:27:31 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 09:18:52 AM
It's been all downhill from Thailand

In fairness they managed to keep the lid on that one surprisingly. Good defensive tactics.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on August 13, 2019, 10:20:44 AM
The way Peter Harte was managed on Sunday by Kerry is the exact same way Conor Meyler manages whoever he is tasked to pick up, I have no complaints. Peter Harte at this stage should be well able to deal with it and work his way into a game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on August 13, 2019, 10:26:57 AM
completely agree...I watched the Meyler - OShea matchup the whole first half and Meyler gave him some abuse...Oshea seemed able to handle it..and give it back and even blocked some of meylers runs up the field...Peter unfortunately has been too easily taken out of most of Tyrones big games now.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 13, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on August 13, 2019, 10:30:42 AM
Few messages being forwarded around whatsapp groups today claiming the Tyrone water bottles that they were sharing with their markers were tampered with? Has anybody seen these messages? Basically, the messages are claiming the water the Tyrone water boys were giving the Kerry lads was making them sick? Surely this cant be true and it would be ridiculous if we went this low to win a game????

Well if it's in a WhatsApp group then it must be true. ::) There really are some gullible fools around.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 13, 2019, 11:10:06 AM
The Kerry boys didn't look too sick to me.lol. Tyrone boys looked sick after though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 13, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 13, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
Disappointing on Sunday to be in the situation we where in at half time to to beaten more or less with ten minutes to go.... I see a few complaints about Peter Harte be fouled for the full game!! Did any off you watch Connor Meyler he fouled the full game......Kerry in first half looked completely clueless but when they introduced Sherwood and White at half time in the middle section of the field we got destroyed Colm and Ritchie got completely over run which in my eyes was the major factor on how we lost the game by the time Mattie came to that area off the field the game was over,we where so slow to make that change to try and counter act what Kerry had done.....I dont think we have enough natural footballers that make the correct decisions at the right time and cant see how that can be cured in the near future,i could be wrong but we are at least 2 defenders,1 midfielder and 2 forwards short to have a team with the correct balance to win an All Ireland...

Meyler, McGeary and Richie Donnelly are not really inter county standard. Meyler in particular, no natural footballing ability. Great engine though - would be better suited to Iron mans.
Mickey Harte has had 3+ years with this team and still doesn't know his best side. Chops and changes certain players (relations not included). Hasn't developed any attacking threat or gameplan. TCB must get rid.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 13, 2019, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 13, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 13, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
Disappointing on Sunday to be in the situation we where in at half time to to beaten more or less with ten minutes to go.... I see a few complaints about Peter Harte be fouled for the full game!! Did any off you watch Connor Meyler he fouled the full game......Kerry in first half looked completely clueless but when they introduced Sherwood and White at half time in the middle section of the field we got destroyed Colm and Ritchie got completely over run which in my eyes was the major factor on how we lost the game by the time Mattie came to that area off the field the game was over,we where so slow to make that change to try and counter act what Kerry had done.....I dont think we have enough natural footballers that make the correct decisions at the right time and cant see how that can be cured in the near future,i could be wrong but we are at least 2 defenders,1 midfielder and 2 forwards short to have a team with the correct balance to win an All Ireland...

Meyler, McGeary and Richie Donnelly are not really inter county standard. Meyler in particular, no natural footballing ability. Great engine though - would be better suited to Iron mans.
Mickey Harte has had 3+ years with this team and still doesn't know his best side. Chops and changes certain players (relations not included). Hasn't developed any attacking threat or gameplan. TCB must get rid.

Dont think that will happen so we have to soldier on....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 13, 2019, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on August 13, 2019, 10:30:42 AM
Few messages being forwarded around whatsapp groups today claiming the Tyrone water bottles that they were sharing with their markers were tampered with? Has anybody seen these messages? Basically, the messages are claiming the water the Tyrone water boys were giving the Kerry lads was making them sick? Surely this cant be true and it would be ridiculous if we went this low to win a game????

Well if it's in a WhatsApp group then it must be true. ::) There really are some gullible fools around.

Some shite goes around about Tyrone as well  ::) Such nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on August 13, 2019, 11:25:54 AM
Talk about low attendances very few from a neutral county would have any desire to watch us play..... Take the minute or so up up to half time in the last 2 all Ireland semi finals we have been in,we just kept the ball with no desire off kicking on and nailing another score before the whistle....i go to most games sometimes i ask myself why, it is that boring which in turn cannot create any atmosphere...i am considering watching on TV from here on in it will we cheaper if nothing else....  I am on my own thinking like this??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 13, 2019, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 13, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 13, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
Disappointing on Sunday to be in the situation we where in at half time to to beaten more or less with ten minutes to go.... I see a few complaints about Peter Harte be fouled for the full game!! Did any off you watch Connor Meyler he fouled the full game......Kerry in first half looked completely clueless but when they introduced Sherwood and White at half time in the middle section of the field we got destroyed Colm and Ritchie got completely over run which in my eyes was the major factor on how we lost the game by the time Mattie came to that area off the field the game was over,we where so slow to make that change to try and counter act what Kerry had done.....I dont think we have enough natural footballers that make the correct decisions at the right time and cant see how that can be cured in the near future,i could be wrong but we are at least 2 defenders,1 midfielder and 2 forwards short to have a team with the correct balance to win an All Ireland...

Meyler, McGeary and Richie Donnelly are not really inter county standard. Meyler in particular, no natural footballing ability. Great engine though - would be better suited to Iron mans.
Mickey Harte has had 3+ years with this team and still doesn't know his best side. Chops and changes certain players (relations not included). Hasn't developed any attacking threat or gameplan. TCB must get rid.

There is a space in a county squad for what Meyler can do - I agree he's not likely to win a game on his own, but he's created a little niche for himself as the Lee Keegan Lite of Tyrone. I think he does a good job of suffocating opposition players to be honest and probably the most athletic player in the panel with a bit of niggle in him.

Ritchie Donnelly could be anything he wants to be, I think there is a player there but on the very biggest of stages obviously he's to prove that.

McGeary seems to be the scapegoat for Sunday. He wasn't brilliant - I don't know if I would name him on my own starting 15 for Sunday but sure I don't watch trainings etc so that's just bluster.

Meyler of the above is only really a certain starter though if fit I think. I'm not looking at these lads for Sunday. I'm looking at the untouchables. McNamee, Mattie Donnelly, Niall Sludden, Peter Harte, Colm Cavanagh, McShane.

If we are being honest, 1 of the above stood up in my opinon, really. That was McShane the rest played well in first half but were bettered when Kerry got their act together. That's not good enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 13, 2019, 11:49:08 AM
Harsh on McGeary he's a class act. He was poor on Sunday no doubt but I guess that's the black and white social media world we live in  A bad game nowadays means you're totally useless.

The reality is the best players in the county are in the county squad. Club games over the next few weeks will show there isn't any other sticky corner backs or a Brian Fenton or high scoring forwards that aren't involved in the county set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 13, 2019, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 13, 2019, 11:49:08 AM
Harsh on McGeary he's a class act. He was poor on Sunday no doubt but I guess that's the black and white social media world we live in  A bad game nowadays means you're totally useless.

The reality is the best players in the county are in the county squad. Club games over the next few weeks will show there isn't any other sticky corner backs or a Brian Fenton or high scoring forwards that aren't involved in the county set up.

I tend to agree here, I dont think there is anyone who is good enough to be on the county panel not on it currently.  The current squad is probably the best we got unless someone else can make a recommendation of a player who is not there who might add something?  We lost Bradley this year as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 13, 2019, 12:33:14 PM
I'd say you'll see a few pop into the equation over the next few weeks at club level. You just never know.

This time last year Matthew Murnaghan was fairly unknown.....probably one of the best players in the Senior Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 13, 2019, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 13, 2019, 11:49:08 AM
Harsh on McGeary he's a class act. He was poor on Sunday no doubt but I guess that's the black and white social media world we live in  A bad game nowadays means you're totally useless.

The reality is the best players in the county are in the county squad. Club games over the next few weeks will show there isn't any other sticky corner backs or a Brian Fenton or high scoring forwards that aren't involved in the county set up.
Lee Brennan kicked 1-8 on Saturday and would Def have been worth a run on Sunday to play off Mc Shane and Mattie.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 13, 2019, 01:16:49 PM
Starred club matches pretty meaningless now if he could replicate that in the first round of championship recall would be in order.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on August 13, 2019, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on August 13, 2019, 11:25:54 AM
Talk about low attendances very few from a neutral county would have any desire to watch us play..... Take the minute or so up up to half time in the last 2 all Ireland semi finals we have been in,we just kept the ball with no desire off kicking on and nailing another score before the whistle....i go to most games sometimes i ask myself why, it is that boring which in turn cannot create any atmosphere...i am considering watching on TV from here on in it will we cheaper if nothing else....  I am on my own thinking like this??

No you aren't on your own, this is why i think attendances will get worse next year again. I spent around 1k following Tyrone this year and even that was probably done on the cheap. I suppose a fool and his money are soon parted. It certainly would be a lot cheaper to just head to the pub and watch it on TV.  I feel like the only thing that would renew my interest for next season would be a change of management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 13, 2019, 03:22:23 PM
What about Mugsy? Headline rubbishing what Sean Cavanagh said and then his article slating Tyrone. He should join the DUP as he can talk out of both sides of his mouth!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 13, 2019, 03:31:02 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on August 13, 2019, 10:26:57 AM
completely agree...I watched the Meyler - OShea matchup the whole first half and Meyler gave him some abuse...Oshea seemed able to handle it..and give it back and even blocked some of meylers runs up the field...Peter unfortunately has been too easily taken out of most of Tyrones big games now.....

Meyler done to O'Shea what was being done to PH all game. Difference being O'Shea (younger) has a bigger set than PH and is up for the fight. Too many times now PH goes missing in these big games and management have to take some flack for that

In reference to the time Deegan watched PH being manhandled, all Harte had to do was show some fight back and get both men a yellow card. Kerry man darnt put the hands on him at that stage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 13, 2019, 03:55:22 PM
Are we that bad that if we played with 5 forwards instead of 2 we would be hammered of the park???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 13, 2019, 07:15:44 PM
If you watch back that game, it is absolutely staggering that we lost it.

I had kind of fooled myself into think thinking we collapsed in the second half and let Kerry dominate which was not the case. In the 52nd minute we were 2 points up and Kerry had closed the gap thanks to 3 ridiculous awards of free kicks, in that time we had four absolutely terrible wides, one from Sludden 30 yards out in front on the posts under little pressure, another free 35 yards out from McShane just left of centre, a 25 yard effort from McShane just right of centre after he lost his man and a Donnelly shot rushed off his left when he had more space to run into. Kerry up to that point had only scored two scores from play in the second half and one of those was a very good score from Sherwood which was a rather hopeful punt when they were running out of ideas.

After that Walsh came in and he gave them a real focal point from play and he set up two points from play to level it up but even then we were in charge, McGeary has made a great surge through but ends up just having a nosebleed and chucking the ball to O'Brien where the goal comes about. Geaney should certainly have been pulled up for overplaying the ball too, he takes an absolute age with it.

As much as McGeary will be scapegoated for the loss, he did a fantastic job on O'Brien up to that point, O'Brien was picked up by McGeary all game and had no impact really until the goal and he was the main man from then on. McGeary was hooked pretty much straight after the goal for Tiernan McCann who looked well off the pace - he gave a really silly free away in the second half.

Sludden and McGeary both were whisked off after poor errors, Sludden after a miss and McGeary after the poor pass but they had been playing well until then and can feel themselves hard done by.

I don't really get all the plaudits David Moran got after the game, he was pretty much a peripheral figure in proceedings and I thought Michael Cassidy did a fantastic job on him. We had a spell near the end where we were 5 points down and Meyler, McAliskey and McKernan gave away 3 daft frees which allowed Kerry to kill momentum.

I can't understand how we just let Kerry have the short kickouts for the last 10 or so minutes including injury time. We pressed up full on one, McCann intercepted it and Richie Donnelly took a nice score. The last 3 kickouts we let Kerr

Geaney and Clifford hit a few savage scores late on when the game was in the melting pot, we only really had McShane standing up in that regard.

The ball was only in play for about 3 minutes in injury time so I would have expected Deegan to have played another few minutes more than he did.

We are very poor at putting pressure on teams when they are playing keep ball, we give away way too many silly frees that allows the opposition to kill time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
Still can't believe either that we pi$$ed that one away. Haven't felt as bad after a game since Mayo 2016.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 13, 2019, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
Still can't believe either that we pi$$ed that one away. Haven't felt as bad after a game since Mayo 2016.

I like many many others dont feel bad at all, because when you do the same thing over and over, you get the same results
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on August 13, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
Anyone else think this game was lost on Saturday night?

Mickey would have gone to bed knowing that The Hill gloriously stopped the Aghaloo runaway train in the junior division on Saturday evening, yet no bus arrived on Sunday morning to draft a few of them onto the panel for the Kerry match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 13, 2019, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
Still can't believe either that we pi$$ed that one away. Haven't felt as bad after a game since Mayo 2016.

I like many many others dont feel bad at all, because when you do the same thing over and over, you get the same results

Should get a boy like you in next to manage the team then as you clearly know best. If you can't see the tactics evolving in recent years it's a worrying start though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 13, 2019, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
Anyone else think this game was lost on Saturday night?

Mickey would have gone to bed knowing that The Hill gloriously stopped the Aghaloo runaway train in the junior division on Saturday evening, yet no bus arrived on Sunday morning to draft a few of them onto the panel for the Kerry match.

Are they still not banned from croke park after handbag gate in 2012?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on August 13, 2019, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 13, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
Anyone else think this game was lost on Saturday night?

Mickey would have gone to bed knowing that The Hill gloriously stopped the Aghaloo runaway train in the junior division on Saturday evening, yet no bus arrived on Sunday morning to draft a few of them onto the panel for the Kerry match.

Are they still not banned from croke park after handbag gate in 2012?

Has it really been 7 years?!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 14, 2019, 08:32:50 AM
After watching the game again I think Kerry must have switched the water bottles at half time and we drank the wrong ones.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Helpline on August 14, 2019, 09:33:53 AM
After reading the last posts I would conclude that Tyrone are the best of the shite teams barring the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo. Great achievement alright. lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 14, 2019, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: Helpline on August 14, 2019, 09:33:53 AM
After reading the last posts I would conclude that Tyrone are the best of the shite teams barring the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo. Great achievement alright. lol

Dont think youll find too many Tyrone ones disagreeing with that assessment with maybe Mayo now coming back into the shite teams!

Maybe we could have a shite Championship and an elite championship - world series style let Dublin Kerry play a 7 game series to see who is the best.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 14, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 13, 2019, 03:22:23 PM
What about Mugsy? Headline rubbishing what Sean Cavanagh said and then his article slating Tyrone. He should join the DUP as he can talk out of both sides of his mouth!

Cavanagh doesn't help himself but the sight of Mugsy boxing the head of some lad at a game in England does nothing for his own credibility.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on August 14, 2019, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 13, 2019, 03:22:23 PM
What about Mugsy? Headline rubbishing what Sean Cavanagh said and then his article slating Tyrone. He should join the DUP as he can talk out of both sides of his mouth!

Where was this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?

Was around the 24th minute.

It was ridiculous, it lasted a full 40 seconds and Deegan was watching throughout. Harte made 10 or 11 bursts to make a run but was pushed, pulled or checked time. Cassidy kicked the ball in and Kerry won it. It should have been pulled back for a free then and O'Shea should have gone into the book but Deegan did nothing and O'Sullivan continued it on for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on August 14, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?
https://twitter.com/JoeFoley76/status/1161592442346508288?s=08
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: wee scully on August 14, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?
https://twitter.com/JoeFoley76/status/1161592442346508288?s=08

That is f**king beyond ridiculous

Kerry dirty cynical hoors but thats hardly news

Deegan should be ashamed of himself

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 07:38:41 PM
Once they saw the ref ignore it he had a licence to do it all game. Darragh o se should look at his own team before commenting about tyrone dark arts
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on August 14, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: wee scully on August 14, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?
https://twitter.com/JoeFoley76/status/1161592442346508288?s=08

That's ridiculous and the referee right beside it. He the ref totally shafted Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 09:57:07 PM
It looked like Deegan was watching it and waiting for Harte to strike out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 14, 2019, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 13, 2019, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
Still can't believe either that we pi$$ed that one away. Haven't felt as bad after a game since Mayo 2016.

I like many many others dont feel bad at all, because when you do the same thing over and over, you get the same results

Should get a boy like you in next to manage the team then as you clearly know best. If you can't see the tactics evolving in recent years it's a worrying start though.

"Evolving" ?? Tyrone have been playing 13/14 men back for years since Jimmy started it and MH copied. At least in the league they tried new attacking tactics and they were good to watch but then reverted back to style and got beat AGAIN by a big team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 10:01:18 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 14, 2019, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 13, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: Club boi on August 13, 2019, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
Still can't believe either that we pi$$ed that one away. Haven't felt as bad after a game since Mayo 2016.

I like many many others dont feel bad at all, because when you do the same thing over and over, you get the same results

Should get a boy like you in next to manage the team then as you clearly know best. If you can't see the tactics evolving in recent years it's a worrying start though.

"Evolving" ?? Tyrone have been playing 13/14 men back for years since Jimmy started it and MH copied. At least in the league they tried new attacking tactics and they were good to watch but then reverted back to style and got beat AGAIN by a big team

Every team plays with 13/14 men behind the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on August 14, 2019, 10:44:47 PM
Peter Harte should have walked clean over the top of him or one of the other Tyrone lads done it for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 14, 2019, 10:44:47 PM
Peter Harte should have walked clean over the top of him or one of the other Tyrone lads done it for him.

That's what Deegan was waiting for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 14, 2019, 10:50:32 PM
Meyler was every bit as bad on SOS though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid 2.0 on August 14, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: wee scully on August 14, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?
https://twitter.com/JoeFoley76/status/1161592442346508288?s=08

That is f**king beyond ridiculous


Kerry dirty cynical hoors but thats hardly news

Deegan should be ashamed of himself

Ridiculous comment did you want him to throw out a red carpet for PH to run up the field happens all the time it was a few pushes hardly anything serious you'd swear he throw a punch and caught him in an MMA headlock on the half way line the way your going on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 11:00:24 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 14, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: wee scully on August 14, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?
https://twitter.com/JoeFoley76/status/1161592442346508288?s=08

That is f**king beyond ridiculous


Kerry dirty cynical hoors but thats hardly news

Deegan should be ashamed of himself

Ridiculous comment did you want him to throw out a red carpet for PH to run up the field happens all the time it was a few pushes hardly anything serious you'd swear he throw a punch and caught him in an MMA headlock on the half way line the way your going on

Dunno what your on about............... Deegan never laid a hand on Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 14, 2019, 11:12:48 PM
Some crying done about the ref! With next year being hartes last in contract, I wonder will there be any moves to secure an extension during the autumn?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 11:22:41 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 14, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: wee scully on August 14, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?
https://twitter.com/JoeFoley76/status/1161592442346508288?s=08

That is f**king beyond ridiculous


Kerry dirty cynical hoors but thats hardly news

Deegan should be ashamed of himself

Ridiculous comment did you want him to throw out a red carpet for PH to run up the field happens all the time it was a few pushes hardly anything serious you'd swear he throw a punch and caught him in an MMA headlock on the half way line the way your going on

Maybe not but I'm sure Peter Harte was thinking back to the black cards he received v Longford and Donegal, thinking how on earth he was asked to leave the field of play for those offences when a player can pull, drag, push, hold and wrestle you all day long and the ref turns a blind eye. The rules are not fair on this. You shouldn't have to throw a punch or get someone in a MMA headlock to get the refs attention.

Saying that, Tyrone should have known this was coming, Dublin have been doing it to Harte to great success for years, so we should have had a plan. Move him closer to goal, orchestrate a 5 or 6 man scuffle to get the defender booked or whatever it took to get Harte into the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 11:58:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 11:22:41 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 14, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: wee scully on August 14, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
Anyone have any clips of the ridiculous situation where peter harte was being held and pushed back in front if deegan?
https://twitter.com/JoeFoley76/status/1161592442346508288?s=08

That is f**king beyond ridiculous


Kerry dirty cynical hoors but thats hardly news

Deegan should be ashamed of himself

Ridiculous comment did you want him to throw out a red carpet for PH to run up the field happens all the time it was a few pushes hardly anything serious you'd swear he throw a punch and caught him in an MMA headlock on the half way line the way your going on

Maybe not but I'm sure Peter Harte was thinking back to the black cards he received v Longford and Donegal, thinking how on earth he was asked to leave the field of play for those offences when a player can pull, drag, push, hold and wrestle you all day long and the ref turns a blind eye. The rules are not fair on this. You shouldn't have to throw a punch or get someone in a MMA headlock to get the refs attention.

Saying that, Tyrone should have known this was coming, Dublin have been doing it to Harte to great success for years, so we should have had a plan. Move him closer to goal, orchestrate a 5 or 6 man scuffle to get the defender booked or whatever it took to get Harte into the game.

This goes beyond getting the ref's attention. It had the ref's full attention, he was staring at it for 30 odd seconds in that clip and didn't batt an eyelid. It's not the fact that a player dogged Harte illegally for the match that bothers me, it's the fact that he did it so brazenly, right under the nose of a referee who was fully aware of it and no action taken.

It's even more infuriating when you take into account the referee was then happy to engage in guesswork of incidents he didn't see and was happy to pull players up for innocuous contact 60 yards away from the play.

If the GAA had any sort of credibility then Maurice Deegan would have serious questions to answer about his decision making and the rationale behind them and more so his suitability to be refereeing matches involving Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
It's ironic that this tyrone team are labelled as cycnical and nasty when in actual fact they are too nice. The Tyrone team of old would not have allowed peter harte to be treated that way.

Aside from the questions around skill level and side line tactics I think this tyrone team are too nice and soft. They need a bit more venom in them to stand up to teams when all this off the  all stuff goes on. My big concern is that majority of players bar a few care  more about their image and tan rather than getting stuck in when a game is in the balance. The physical strength is certainly there just a lack of will to use it.

No amount of silky skill or tactics will cover that up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
It's ironic that this tyrone team are labelled as cycnical and nasty when in actual fact they are too nice. The Tyrone team of old would not have allowed peter harte to be treated that way.

Aside from the questions around skill level and side line tactics I think this tyrone team are too nice and soft. They need a bit more venom in them to stand up to teams when all this off the  ball stuff goes on.

My big concern is that majority of players bar a few care  more about their image and tan rather than getting stuck in when a game is in the balance. The physical strength is certainly there just a lack of will to use it.

You could never imagine caveman,mulgrew, O'Neill or any member of the old tyrone team being bullied all day off the ball like peter was.

No amount of silky skill or tactics will cover that up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
It's ironic that this tyrone team are labelled as cycnical and nasty when in actual fact they are too nice. The Tyrone team of old would not have allowed peter harte to be treated that way.

Aside from the questions around skill level and side line tactics I think this tyrone team are too nice and soft. They need a bit more venom in them to stand up to teams when all this off the  ball stuff goes on.

My big concern is that majority of players bar a few care  more about their image and tan rather than getting stuck in when a game is in the balance. The physical strength is certainly there just a lack of will to use it.

You could never imagine caveman,mulgrew, O'Neill or any member of the old tyrone team being bullied all day off the ball like peter was.

No amount of silky skill or tactics will cover that up.

Freudian slip?? :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
It's ironic that this tyrone team are labelled as cycnical and nasty when in actual fact they are too nice. The Tyrone team of old would not have allowed peter harte to be treated that way.

Aside from the questions around skill level and side line tactics I think this tyrone team are too nice and soft. They need a bit more venom in them to stand up to teams when all this off the  ball stuff goes on.

My big concern is that majority of players bar a few care  more about their image and tan rather than getting stuck in when a game is in the balance. The physical strength is certainly there just a lack of will to use it.

You could never imagine caveman,mulgrew, O'Neill or any member of the old tyrone team being bullied all day off the ball like peter was.

No amount of silky skill or tactics will cover that up.

Freudian slip?? :P

Lol more like autocorrect changing peter canavans name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 15, 2019, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
It's ironic that this tyrone team are labelled as cycnical and nasty when in actual fact they are too nice. The Tyrone team of old would not have allowed peter harte to be treated that way.

Aside from the questions around skill level and side line tactics I think this tyrone team are too nice and soft. They need a bit more venom in them to stand up to teams when all this off the  ball stuff goes on.

My big concern is that majority of players bar a few care  more about their image and tan rather than getting stuck in when a game is in the balance. The physical strength is certainly there just a lack of will to use it.

You could never imagine caveman,mulgrew, O'Neill or any member of the old tyrone team being bullied all day off the ball like peter was.

No amount of silky skill or tactics will cover that up.

Freudian slip?? :P

Lol more like autocorrect changing peter canavans name.
I suppose youl blame that on deegan too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Branchie on August 15, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
Its always Deegans fault for everything now for the Tymonies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 15, 2019, 01:58:57 PM
Quote from: Branchie on August 15, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
Its always Deegans fault for everything now for the Tymonies.

Welcome to the board Maurice. 👍
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 16, 2019, 12:21:01 PM
Quote from: Branchie on August 15, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
Its always Deegans fault for everything now for the Tymonies.

Why is Deegan even still refereeing? Hasn't he reffed 2 or 3 All Irelands? Time he fucked off and he could take Coldrick and Dublin Joe with him. 3 absolute wankers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on August 17, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
O'neill is gone! Wise move. Knows next year will end in tears.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 18, 2019, 07:26:20 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 17, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
O'neill is gone! Wise move. Knows next year will end in tears.
he walked himself or was pushed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 17, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
O'neill is gone! Wise move. Knows next year will end in tears.

Has this been confirmed. Always wondered what his input really was. Was he allowed to train the forwards as he wanted or as Mickey said?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on August 18, 2019, 07:54:27 AM
Quote from: Branchie on August 15, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
Its always Deegans fault for everything now for the Tymonies.

All 12 posts about Tyrone since you registered. Are you a bit obsessed pal?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 18, 2019, 08:51:37 AM
Just ignore these new WUMs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 18, 2019, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 17, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
O'neill is gone! Wise move. Knows next year will end in tears.

Has this been confirmed. Always wondered what his input really was. Was he allowed to train the forwards as he wanted or as Mickey said?

Ah come on, his influence on McShane was clear to see. That ability to turn the defender and receive the ball at the same time, the directness and the confidence shoot to on sight had O'Neill's finger prints all over it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2019, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 17, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
O'neill is gone! Wise move. Knows next year will end in tears.

Has this been confirmed. Always wondered what his input really was. Was he allowed to train the forwards as he wanted or as Mickey said?

Ah come on, his influence on McShane was clear to see. That ability to turn the defender and receive the ball at the same time, the directness and the confidence shoot to on sight had O'Neill's finger prints all over it.

No I agree with you but I wonder if his impact has been limited due to the system we play. A forward coach will have limited impact if they only play 1 forward up front. Thought lee brennan would have been a star under o'Neil as he had the natural forward ability.

Seen an interview recently describing what it's like in dublin dressing room at half time.  Seems abit like American football where the defensive and forward coaches speak to their respective players with Jim saying little. Cant imagine it's like that in the tyrone set up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 18, 2019, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2019, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 17, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
O'neill is gone! Wise move. Knows next year will end in tears.

Has this been confirmed. Always wondered what his input really was. Was he allowed to train the forwards as he wanted or as Mickey said?

Ah come on, his influence on McShane was clear to see. That ability to turn the defender and receive the ball at the same time, the directness and the confidence shoot to on sight had O'Neill's finger prints all over it.

No I agree with you but I wonder if his impact has been limited due to the system we play. A forward coach will have limited impact if they only play 1 forward up front. Thought lee brennan would have been a star under o'Neil as he had the natural forward ability.

Seen an interview recently describing what it's like in dublin dressing room at half time.  Seems abit like American football where the defensive and forward coaches speak to their respective players with Jim saying little. Cant imagine it's like that in the tyrone set up

It'd be the Mickey Harte show. All about him. Always was. O'Neill and co are only there for a bit of cover. Harte now runs Tyrone gaa from the top to the bottom. Has installed his men in the top county jobs. Has disappeared any media scrutiny from the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. He runs the town, like it's his own personal country. Stalinesque.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 19, 2019, 11:14:12 AM
Stevie o Neill officially gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 19, 2019, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 19, 2019, 11:14:12 AM
Stevie o Neill officially gone.

Stevie and Peter now gone. Tyrone not looking good for next year already.

Will expect a more defensive tyrone side next year which is a step backwards.

If anymore personnel leave questions will have to be asked by the county board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 19, 2019, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 18, 2019, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2019, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 17, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
O'neill is gone! Wise move. Knows next year will end in tears.

Has this been confirmed. Always wondered what his input really was. Was he allowed to train the forwards as he wanted or as Mickey said?

Ah come on, his influence on McShane was clear to see. That ability to turn the defender and receive the ball at the same time, the directness and the confidence shoot to on sight had O'Neill's finger prints all over it.

No I agree with you but I wonder if his impact has been limited due to the system we play. A forward coach will have limited impact if they only play 1 forward up front. Thought lee brennan would have been a star under o'Neil as he had the natural forward ability.

Seen an interview recently describing what it's like in dublin dressing room at half time.  Seems abit like American football where the defensive and forward coaches speak to their respective players with Jim saying little. Cant imagine it's like that in the tyrone set up

It'd be the Mickey Harte show. All about him. Always was. O'Neill and co are only there for a bit of cover. Harte now runs Tyrone gaa from the top to the bottom. Has installed his men in the top county jobs. Has disappeared any media scrutiny from the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. He runs the town, like it's his own personal country. Stalinesque.

Couldn't agree more.  I know for a fact steven o'neill had little to no say on the team and tactics and his biggest contribution on game day was delivering the water bottles (poisoned or otherwise).  So it is no surprise to me to learn he announced his departure within a week of defeat!

In regards der fuhrer you have to admire how effectively he has seized power.  Installed his yes men into the county board and moved on the problem makers I.e roisin Jordan!

Demanding unwritten oath of allegiance from the players ie rte boycott!

The underage managers are also loyalists and he has went as far as nurturing the cult of the leader himself by actively being involved in coaching the u14s this year!

The party family members even look after the treatment of players throughout the age groups!

His hands are in every pie available and will never ever walk the plank of retirement voluntarily!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on August 19, 2019, 12:42:13 PM
Localexpert you forgot to mention that Mark Harte was the "man in the stand" and he had more say on things than O'Neill as well. Is there not more to Tyrone that the Harte's?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 12:44:33 PM
How much of a role did O'Neill have on the transformation of McShane this year. His movement, his shot selection and his ability to get his shots off quickly and accurately this year was a phenomenal improvement in a relatively short space of time.

For next year, irrespective of the composition of the management team, we need to build it around McShane. I'd like to see Donnelly in there as well with someone more natural like McCurry operating very close to them.

I think we're in a better position at the end of this year than last irrespective of the poor result. We now face a sense of purpose and focus in the inside line which we can work off.

I think the squad needs a bit of an overhaul for next year. Quite a few lads there for a few years who haven't really established themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 19, 2019, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 18, 2019, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2019, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 18, 2019, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on August 17, 2019, 11:47:09 PM
O'neill is gone! Wise move. Knows next year will end in tears.

Has this been confirmed. Always wondered what his input really was. Was he allowed to train the forwards as he wanted or as Mickey said?

Ah come on, his influence on McShane was clear to see. That ability to turn the defender and receive the ball at the same time, the directness and the confidence shoot to on sight had O'Neill's finger prints all over it.

No I agree with you but I wonder if his impact has been limited due to the system we play. A forward coach will have limited impact if they only play 1 forward up front. Thought lee brennan would have been a star under o'Neil as he had the natural forward ability.

Seen an interview recently describing what it's like in dublin dressing room at half time.  Seems abit like American football where the defensive and forward coaches speak to their respective players with Jim saying little. Cant imagine it's like that in the tyrone set up

It'd be the Mickey Harte show. All about him. Always was. O'Neill and co are only there for a bit of cover. Harte now runs Tyrone gaa from the top to the bottom. Has installed his men in the top county jobs. Has disappeared any media scrutiny from the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. He runs the town, like it's his own personal country. Stalinesque.

Couldn't agree more.  I know for a fact steven o'neill had little to no say on the team and tactics and his biggest contribution on game day was delivering the water bottles (poisoned or otherwise).  So it is no surprise to me to learn he announced his departure within a week of defeat!

In regards der fuhrer you have to admire how effectively he has seized power.  Installed his yes men into the county board and moved on the problem makers I.e roisin Jordan!

Demanding unwritten oath of allegiance from the players ie rte boycott!

The underage managers are also loyalists and he has went as far as nurturing the cult of the leader himself by actively being involved in coaching the u14s this year!

The party family members even look after the treatment of players throughout the age groups!

His hands are in every pie available and will never ever walk the plank of retirement voluntarily!

Every facet of Tyrone football is now controlled by the Harte Mafia. By doing nothing we are complicit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 01:24:59 PM
Who will be the next coach coming in then lads?

Ciaran Gourley suppose to be a decent coach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 01:24:59 PM
Who will be the next coach coming in then lads?

Ciaran Gourley suppose to be a decent coach.

Under consideration no doubt are...
Mark Harte
Michael Harte
Mickey's window cleaner
A guy Mickey knows from Mass who lifts the collection
Vlad from Romania who washes Mickey's car in Omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 02:58:41 PM
Source?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 19, 2019, 03:20:33 PM
Rumours have started already about him stepping down due to the supposed water incident.  Dont believe the rumour at all but the timing of his departure isn't great
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 04:55:26 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

No doubt it involves telling people down the local before informing county manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 19, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
Peter harte opted off the panel before the Kerry game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on August 19, 2019, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 19, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
Peter harte opted off the panel before the Kerry game.

OOhhhhhhhh well played
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 19, 2019, 08:23:55 PM
Only one of real concern if this is true is sludden. Coney showed great maturity coming back into the squad but never really got much of chance bar the dublin game.not sure if c McCann is much less as hesvent really see that much of him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........

I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........

I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 19, 2019, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........

In August???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 19, 2019, 09:49:15 PM
Sludden wouldn't be happy at getting taken off ahead of Petey when playing so well and Grugan did not go home with the team after the game either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 10:13:32 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 19, 2019, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........

In August???

They 100% told them - doesn't matter what month it is !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 19, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on August 19, 2019, 10:43:10 PM
Club Championship may well unearth a few prospects for the senior panel.
But from the U20 panel the players who would be worth a look at for 2020, that aren't still available to U20 next year: Conor Quinn, Conall Grimes and Sean Og McAleer.
Think anyone still U20 like Murnaghan, Canavan, Tiarnan Quinn, Lorcan Quinn should remain on the U20 panel for the 2020 season.
Other club players who stand out from previous years would be, Emmet McNabb, Conn Kilpatrick and Daniel Kerr.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on August 19, 2019, 10:43:10 PM
Club Championship may well unearth a few prospects for the senior panel.
But from the U20 panel the players who would be worth a look at for 2020, that aren't still available to U20 next year: Conor Quinn, Conall Grimes and Sean Og McAleer.
Think anyone still U20 like Murnaghan, Canavan, Tiarnan Quinn, Lorcan Quinn should remain on the U20 panel for the 2020 season.
Other club players who stand out from previous years would be, Emmet McNabb, Conn Kilpatrick and Daniel Kerr.

McAleer is a prospect but I think he might need another 2/3 years to grow into his frame. Quinn looks like he's in the same boat, a big lad but needs to grow into that frame and is too light at present. U20s is a different ball game to step up to than U21s.

I'd agree on the other lads although haven't seen much of Kerr. I think Kilpatrick would have a go this year only for that bad injury in last year's club championship, I'd also have Paudie McNulty back in. I think with Cavanagh likely to go we need someone with that presence.

McNabb looks like a lovely footballer but I'd be worried about his size again, probably another born in the wrong era but no harm in giving him a chance and see how he handles it.

Other's I'd like to see get a look in would be:

- Ryan Coleman, could give us an alternative to McShane as a target man, did well for Marys in the Sigerson this year.
- Paul Donaghy, very accurate forward with a bit of presence about him.
- Nathan Donnelly, great engine and very similar to Meyler in his industry and work rate
- Michael O'Neill, again physically he looks like he might have what it takes, similarities to his club mate Cassidy who had a great year
- Eoghan Murray, might be worth a look at as I think we're not too flush with reliable man markers and had a good year with his club last term


Hopefully a few other lads can go and put themselves in contention with their clubs in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid 2.0 on August 20, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
I see micky hughes got 0-5 for brocagh at the weekend in a dog fight with dregish if we have players in the county who can compete in these tight games would these players not be more suited for the county set up compared to the likes of peter harte who goes missing in big games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 20, 2019, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 20, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
I see micky hughes got 0-5 for brocagh at the weekend in a dog fight with dregish if we have players in the county who can compete in these tight games would these players not be more suited for the county set up compared to the likes of peter harte who goes missing in big games?

Go away with that nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on August 20, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
Angelo, is this the same paul donaghy that was out in boston??? If so he couldn't make the sub  connermara gaels team in boston never mind making a county team dont make me laugh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 20, 2019, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on August 20, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
Angelo, is this the same paul donaghy that was out in boston??? If so he couldn't make the sub  connermara gaels team in boston never mind making a county team dont make me laugh

I'd take more heed on his form with Edendork and Tyrone underage teams than a glorified piss up in the states.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on August 20, 2019, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 20, 2019, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on August 20, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
Angelo, is this the same paul donaghy that was out in boston??? If so he couldn't make the sub  connermara gaels team in boston never mind making a county team dont make me laugh

I'd take more heed on his form with Edendork and Tyrone underage teams than a glorified piss up in the states.

You have sold me there get him on the Tyrone team as hes played underage football for Tyrone half of tyrone has played for tyrone there is that many stupid development squads now oh but wait he played a few good games for edendork..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on August 20, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 20, 2019, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 20, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
I see micky hughes got 0-5 for brocagh at the weekend in a dog fight with dregish if we have players in the county who can compete in these tight games would these players not be more suited for the county set up compared to the likes of peter harte who goes missing in big games?

Go away with that nonsense.

Good man Micky Hughes.Keeo them coming kid. Bomber will be naming him in 18 months time as man that should get a run out with the county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 20, 2019, 11:30:07 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 20, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
I see micky hughes got 0-5 for brocagh at the weekend in a dog fight with dregish if we have players in the county who can compete in these tight games would these players not be more suited for the county set up compared to the likes of peter harte who goes missing in big games?

Petey Harte scored 2-4 at the weekend. Granted, it wasn't against Dregish though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 07:14:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 19, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 07:14:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 19, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 07:41:37 AM
Quote from: Moonshine on August 20, 2019, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 20, 2019, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on August 20, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
Angelo, is this the same paul donaghy that was out in boston??? If so he couldn't make the sub  connermara gaels team in boston never mind making a county team dont make me laugh

I'd take more heed on his form with Edendork and Tyrone underage teams than a glorified piss up in the states.

You have sold me there get him on the Tyrone team as hes played underage football for Tyrone half of tyrone has played for tyrone there is that many stupid development squads now oh but wait he played a few good games for edendork..

That's quite an idiotic comment when you square that up with the logic of a lad not getting a game for a side he's over on a holiday with.

Donaghy was a standout performer with the u20s last year, he was their top scorer. He had a good Championship with Edendork who made it to the senior semi final. He's a big lad who plays inside, he is a natural forward who knows where the posts are - something we don't have many of and you're willing to write him off because he didn't play for some club where he's over on a summer holiday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 07:42:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 07:14:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 19, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 07:42:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 07:14:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 19, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 19, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 19, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time

In case you didn't know, Bradley was studying in Liverpool this year and opted out as a result.

Players should make that decision at the start of the year, you're there for the year otherwise, not storming out in a strop because you don't want to fight for your place. How many league games did Brennan play for Trillick after leaving the panel?

You're not listening, I've no issue with a player opting off a panel but it should before the season starts. Donnelly and Grugan withdrew themselves for selection at the start of the year, that is no problem and similar to Mark Bradley this year. It allows the manager to look at other players and allows other players to make an impression through the league. Coney threw a strop after being subbed in the McKenna Cup game, I'm not sure did he withdraw himself after or did Harte drop him but Coney has accepted recently that his attitude was all wrong first time around.

It's not a difficult differentiation to make, but you seem to be making a pigs ear of understanding it. Would you rather a builder tells you he is not able to do a job than starting it off then jacking it halfway, leaving you high and dry?

I wouldn't have Brennan back next year on those grounds, I don't think he offers us much more than McAliskey, McCurry and Bradley. We won't be fielding a forward line with all those small forwards playing, we already have the likes of Harte and Sludden who are under 6ft in that forward line so at most it's going to be one of the above 3 and that's really all we will be putting in it unless Sludden or Harte miss out.

As for Canavan, I think he should stick to u20s next year, I don't think he's physically ready yet. When he does come into the senior setup I see him playing out deeper.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: redzone on August 20, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 20, 2019, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on August 20, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
I see micky hughes got 0-5 for brocagh at the weekend in a dog fight with dregish if we have players in the county who can compete in these tight games would these players not be more suited for the county set up compared to the likes of peter harte who goes missing in big games?

Go away with that nonsense.

Good man Micky Hughes.Keeo them coming kid. Bomber will be naming him in 18 months time as man that should get a run out with the county

He done alright at the trials at the start of the year imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 21, 2019, 08:16:34 AM
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I see micky hughes got 0-5 for brocagh at the weekend in a dog fight with dregish if we have players in the county who can compete in these tight games would these players not be more suited for the county set up compared to the likes of peter harte who goes missing in big games?

Go away with that nonsense.

Good man Micky Hughes.Keeo them coming kid. Bomber will be naming him in 18 months time as man that should get a run out with the county

He done alright at the trials at the start of the year imo.

Dublin probably had a spy at the Brocagh-Dregish game. Keeping all bases covered nationwide.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 09:06:05 AM
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Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time

In case you didn't know, Bradley was studying in Liverpool this year and opted out as a result.

Players should make that decision at the start of the year, you're there for the year otherwise, not storming out in a strop because you don't want to fight for your place. How many league games did Brennan play for Trillick after leaving the panel?

You're not listening, I've no issue with a player opting off a panel but it should before the season starts. Donnelly and Coney withdrew themselves for selection at the start of the year, that is no problem and similar to Mark Bradley this year. It allows the manager to look at other players and allows other players to make an impression through the league. Coney threw a strop after being subbed in the McKenna Cup game, I'm not sure did he withdraw himself after or did Harte drop him but Coney has accepted recently that his attitude was all wrong first time around.

It's not a difficult differentiation to make, but you seem to be making a pigs ear of understanding it. Would you rather a builder tells you he is not able to do a job than starting it off then jacking it halfway, leaving you high and dry?

I wouldn't have Brennan back next year on those grounds, I don't think he offers us much more than McAliskey, McCurry and Bradley. We won't be fielding a forward line with all those small forwards playing, we already have the likes of Harte and Sludden who are under 6ft in that forward line so at most it's going to be one of the above 3 and that's really all we will be putting in it unless Sludden or Harte miss out.

As for Canavan, I think he should stick to u20s next year, I don't think he's physically ready yet. When he does come into the senior setup I see him playing out deeper.

Im sure he's played most of the games for them as he's available for starred games now, well I know Id rather a team of Peter Canavans in my team than a team of 6ft dung bags..
You reckon Canavan would make it now on the Tyrone team, seeing as he's under 6ft you'd have your doubts??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 09:12:44 AM
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Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time

In case you didn't know, Bradley was studying in Liverpool this year and opted out as a result.

Players should make that decision at the start of the year, you're there for the year otherwise, not storming out in a strop because you don't want to fight for your place. How many league games did Brennan play for Trillick after leaving the panel?

You're not listening, I've no issue with a player opting off a panel but it should before the season starts. Donnelly and Coney withdrew themselves for selection at the start of the year, that is no problem and similar to Mark Bradley this year. It allows the manager to look at other players and allows other players to make an impression through the league. Coney threw a strop after being subbed in the McKenna Cup game, I'm not sure did he withdraw himself after or did Harte drop him but Coney has accepted recently that his attitude was all wrong first time around.

It's not a difficult differentiation to make, but you seem to be making a pigs ear of understanding it. Would you rather a builder tells you he is not able to do a job than starting it off then jacking it halfway, leaving you high and dry?

I wouldn't have Brennan back next year on those grounds, I don't think he offers us much more than McAliskey, McCurry and Bradley. We won't be fielding a forward line with all those small forwards playing, we already have the likes of Harte and Sludden who are under 6ft in that forward line so at most it's going to be one of the above 3 and that's really all we will be putting in it unless Sludden or Harte miss out.

As for Canavan, I think he should stick to u20s next year, I don't think he's physically ready yet. When he does come into the senior setup I see him playing out deeper.

Im sure he's played most of the games for them as he's available for starred games now, well I know Id rather a team of Peter Canavans in my team than a team of 6ft dung bags..
You reckon Canavan would make it now on the Tyrone team, seeing as he's under 6ft you'd have your doubts??

I think Canavan would operate out around the 45 yard line in today's game and he was a special once in a generation talent.

The game has changed, there are barely a handful of small, slight corner forwards playing the game anymore and you need to be a very special player to do so or have pace to burn or real power.

Name me some small forwards that are pivotal to a top team right now? There were none starting for any of the other 3 semi finalists.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
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Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time

In case you didn't know, Bradley was studying in Liverpool this year and opted out as a result.

Players should make that decision at the start of the year, you're there for the year otherwise, not storming out in a strop because you don't want to fight for your place. How many league games did Brennan play for Trillick after leaving the panel?

You're not listening, I've no issue with a player opting off a panel but it should before the season starts. Donnelly and Coney withdrew themselves for selection at the start of the year, that is no problem and similar to Mark Bradley this year. It allows the manager to look at other players and allows other players to make an impression through the league. Coney threw a strop after being subbed in the McKenna Cup game, I'm not sure did he withdraw himself after or did Harte drop him but Coney has accepted recently that his attitude was all wrong first time around.

It's not a difficult differentiation to make, but you seem to be making a pigs ear of understanding it. Would you rather a builder tells you he is not able to do a job than starting it off then jacking it halfway, leaving you high and dry?

I wouldn't have Brennan back next year on those grounds, I don't think he offers us much more than McAliskey, McCurry and Bradley. We won't be fielding a forward line with all those small forwards playing, we already have the likes of Harte and Sludden who are under 6ft in that forward line so at most it's going to be one of the above 3 and that's really all we will be putting in it unless Sludden or Harte miss out.

As for Canavan, I think he should stick to u20s next year, I don't think he's physically ready yet. When he does come into the senior setup I see him playing out deeper.

Im sure he's played most of the games for them as he's available for starred games now, well I know Id rather a team of Peter Canavans in my team than a team of 6ft dung bags..
You reckon Canavan would make it now on the Tyrone team, seeing as he's under 6ft you'd have your doubts??

I think Canavan would operate out around the 45 yard line in today's game and he was a special once in a generation talent.

The game has changed, there are barely a handful of small, slight corner forwards playing the game anymore and you need to be a very special player to do so or have pace to burn or real power.

Name me some small forwards that are pivotal to a top team right now? There were none starting for any of the other 3 semi finalists.

Niall Scully and Brian Howard both under 6ft...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football

He's in his 30s now. Unfortunately for him when in Tyrone he was playing for Eskra.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 21, 2019, 09:38:34 AM
Andy Moran 5'10
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 21, 2019, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 21, 2019, 09:38:34 AM
Andy Moran 5'10

And him started out in Mayo as a wingback. Mad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 09:49:42 AM
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Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time

In case you didn't know, Bradley was studying in Liverpool this year and opted out as a result.

Players should make that decision at the start of the year, you're there for the year otherwise, not storming out in a strop because you don't want to fight for your place. How many league games did Brennan play for Trillick after leaving the panel?

You're not listening, I've no issue with a player opting off a panel but it should before the season starts. Donnelly and Coney withdrew themselves for selection at the start of the year, that is no problem and similar to Mark Bradley this year. It allows the manager to look at other players and allows other players to make an impression through the league. Coney threw a strop after being subbed in the McKenna Cup game, I'm not sure did he withdraw himself after or did Harte drop him but Coney has accepted recently that his attitude was all wrong first time around.

It's not a difficult differentiation to make, but you seem to be making a pigs ear of understanding it. Would you rather a builder tells you he is not able to do a job than starting it off then jacking it halfway, leaving you high and dry?

I wouldn't have Brennan back next year on those grounds, I don't think he offers us much more than McAliskey, McCurry and Bradley. We won't be fielding a forward line with all those small forwards playing, we already have the likes of Harte and Sludden who are under 6ft in that forward line so at most it's going to be one of the above 3 and that's really all we will be putting in it unless Sludden or Harte miss out.

As for Canavan, I think he should stick to u20s next year, I don't think he's physically ready yet. When he does come into the senior setup I see him playing out deeper.

Im sure he's played most of the games for them as he's available for starred games now, well I know Id rather a team of Peter Canavans in my team than a team of 6ft dung bags..
You reckon Canavan would make it now on the Tyrone team, seeing as he's under 6ft you'd have your doubts??

I think Canavan would operate out around the 45 yard line in today's game and he was a special once in a generation talent.

The game has changed, there are barely a handful of small, slight corner forwards playing the game anymore and you need to be a very special player to do so or have pace to burn or real power.

Name me some small forwards that are pivotal to a top team right now? There were none starting for any of the other 3 semi finalists.

Niall Scully and Brian Howard both under 6ft...

Howard is an absolute beast of a man. Scully looks bigger as well but none of them play on the inside.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 21, 2019, 09:57:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 09:49:42 AM
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Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time

In case you didn't know, Bradley was studying in Liverpool this year and opted out as a result.

Players should make that decision at the start of the year, you're there for the year otherwise, not storming out in a strop because you don't want to fight for your place. How many league games did Brennan play for Trillick after leaving the panel?

You're not listening, I've no issue with a player opting off a panel but it should before the season starts. Donnelly and Coney withdrew themselves for selection at the start of the year, that is no problem and similar to Mark Bradley this year. It allows the manager to look at other players and allows other players to make an impression through the league. Coney threw a strop after being subbed in the McKenna Cup game, I'm not sure did he withdraw himself after or did Harte drop him but Coney has accepted recently that his attitude was all wrong first time around.

It's not a difficult differentiation to make, but you seem to be making a pigs ear of understanding it. Would you rather a builder tells you he is not able to do a job than starting it off then jacking it halfway, leaving you high and dry?

I wouldn't have Brennan back next year on those grounds, I don't think he offers us much more than McAliskey, McCurry and Bradley. We won't be fielding a forward line with all those small forwards playing, we already have the likes of Harte and Sludden who are under 6ft in that forward line so at most it's going to be one of the above 3 and that's really all we will be putting in it unless Sludden or Harte miss out.

As for Canavan, I think he should stick to u20s next year, I don't think he's physically ready yet. When he does come into the senior setup I see him playing out deeper.

Im sure he's played most of the games for them as he's available for starred games now, well I know Id rather a team of Peter Canavans in my team than a team of 6ft dung bags..
You reckon Canavan would make it now on the Tyrone team, seeing as he's under 6ft you'd have your doubts??

I think Canavan would operate out around the 45 yard line in today's game and he was a special once in a generation talent.

The game has changed, there are barely a handful of small, slight corner forwards playing the game anymore and you need to be a very special player to do so or have pace to burn or real power.

Name me some small forwards that are pivotal to a top team right now? There were none starting for any of the other 3 semi finalists.

Niall Scully and Brian Howard both under 6ft...

Howard is an absolute beast of a man. Scully looks bigger as well but none of them play on the inside.

Yes I know they are but under 6ft..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
By an inch but Howard is so naturally strong a player and a fantastic athlete and fielder.

But I'm mainly talking about the inside forwards who have to win the ball. Our inside line has looked much better this year when Donnelly and McShane were inside that when we've had the small lads in there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 21, 2019, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
By an inch but Howard is so naturally strong a player and a fantastic athlete and fielder.

But I'm mainly talking about the inside forwards who have to win the ball. Our inside line has looked much better this year when Donnelly and McShane were inside that when we've had the small lads in there.

Kinda, partly as they were kicked the ball.

There was nothing worse looking the year before than Mark Bradley 1 on 1 and about 60 metres of space and an absolute refusal to kick the man an early ball instead the old obsession with running the ball and letting him then get swallowed up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 21, 2019, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
By an inch but Howard is so naturally strong a player and a fantastic athlete and fielder.

But I'm mainly talking about the inside forwards who have to win the ball. Our inside line has looked much better this year when Donnelly and McShane were inside that when we've had the small lads in there.

Kinda, partly as they were kicked the ball.

There was nothing worse looking the year before than Mark Bradley 1 on 1 and about 60 metres of space and an absolute refusal to kick the man an early ball instead the old obsession with running the ball and letting him then get swallowed up.

McShane and Donnelly can win any type of ball. Bradley can't. The best season Bradley had for Tyrone was 2015 when he was operating as a schemer out around the half forward line. He's too small to play inside, sadly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 21, 2019, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 21, 2019, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
By an inch but Howard is so naturally strong a player and a fantastic athlete and fielder.

But I'm mainly talking about the inside forwards who have to win the ball. Our inside line has looked much better this year when Donnelly and McShane were inside that when we've had the small lads in there.

Kinda, partly as they were kicked the ball.

There was nothing worse looking the year before than Mark Bradley 1 on 1 and about 60 metres of space and an absolute refusal to kick the man an early ball instead the old obsession with running the ball and letting him then get swallowed up.

McShane and Donnelly can win any type of ball. Bradley can't. The best season Bradley had for Tyrone was 2015 when he was operating as a schemer out around the half forward line. He's too small to play inside, sadly.

Always thought the best combination Tyrone could have upfront is mcshane along with either lee brennan or mark bradley. Mcshane has the strength to win his own ball and bradley especially has the pace and skill to beat his opponent to the ball. If brennan, bradley or mccurry had been upfront with mcshane in the Kerry game they would have streched that defensive even further and game would been over at half time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on August 21, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football

He's in his 30s now. Unfortunately for him when in Tyrone he was playing for Eskra.

Well he won an Intermediate Championship when he was playing for Eskra.
By all accounts he has played well for Ballymacnab but was nowhere near county standard 5 years ago never mind now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 09:16:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on August 21, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football

He's in his 30s now. Unfortunately for him when in Tyrone he was playing for Eskra.

Well he won an Intermediate Championship when he was playing for Eskra.
By all accounts he has played well for Ballymacnab but was nowhere near county standard 5 years ago never mind now.

I dunno, he still looked pretty athletic last year when he hopped the wire to box the head off some Beragh player  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BG_Gael on August 21, 2019, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on August 21, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football

He's in his 30s now. Unfortunately for him when in Tyrone he was playing for Eskra.

Well he won an Intermediate Championship when he was playing for Eskra.
By all accounts he has played well for Ballymacnab but was nowhere near county standard 5 years ago never mind now.

Pretty sure he wasn't even making the team for Eskra that year they won Intermediate, or even the year later either for that matter when they were in Senior, hardly County standard
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 23, 2019, 01:19:02 PM
Peter Donnelly now linking up with Monaghan if Banty gets the gig.Seems strange that he couldnt have stayed part time in tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on August 23, 2019, 02:47:24 PM
Hi could have stayed but chose not to. Money talks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on August 23, 2019, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 23, 2019, 02:47:24 PM
Hi could have stayed but chose not to. Money talks

Would you turn down a job that moves you further on in your career and pays you more money?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 23, 2019, 10:26:18 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on August 23, 2019, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 23, 2019, 02:47:24 PM
Hi could have stayed but chose not to. Money talks

Would you turn down a job that moves you further on in your career and pays you more money?

This news kinda stinks....now just what the full story is right now we can only guess but Donnelly leaving Tyrone to take up a role with Ulster Rugby...fair enough, I don't think anyone would really argue that wasn't a career step up....but to then, about a week later news break you are signing up to do some kind of part time work with a rival county does not sit well.

Something has happened in the background and he's obviously been in discussion with Banty for some weeks.

Like I say, something stinks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 23, 2019, 10:56:02 PM
How is this news? One person came on here and said it so it's just a rumour, for now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on August 24, 2019, 09:13:18 AM
It's not a rumour, but it's strange he would choose to team up with the Alan pardew of the Gaelic world.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 24, 2019, 10:27:06 AM
His remit with Tyrone was as a full time employee with all underage squads right up until senior level. I'd imagine Tyrone will be looking for someone to fill that role he has vacated now.

With Monaghan, he will be going in as a member of the backroom team for the senior setup, one would imagine that he is quoting a pretty substantial fee for that as his reputation in GAA circles for what he does is as high as you can get.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 24, 2019, 10:47:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 24, 2019, 10:27:06 AM
His remit with Tyrone was as a full time employee with all underage squads right up until senior level. I'd imagine Tyrone will be looking for someone to fill that role he has vacated now.

With Monaghan, he will be going in as a member of the backroom team for the senior setup, one would imagine that he is quoting a pretty substantial fee for that as his reputation in GAA circles for what he does is as high as you can get.

He was a fairly vocal member of the Tyrone senior management set up....you could hear him before you seen him on sideline.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 26, 2019, 08:41:27 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 24, 2019, 10:47:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 24, 2019, 10:27:06 AM
His remit with Tyrone was as a full time employee with all underage squads right up until senior level. I'd imagine Tyrone will be looking for someone to fill that role he has vacated now.

With Monaghan, he will be going in as a member of the backroom team for the senior setup, one would imagine that he is quoting a pretty substantial fee for that as his reputation in GAA circles for what he does is as high as you can get.

He was a fairly vocal member of the Tyrone senior management set up....you could hear him before you seen him on sideline.

He was but he was also a full time employee who was responsible for planning, prepping and monitoring all strength and conditioning programmes for underage squads right through to senior level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 26, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: skeog on August 23, 2019, 01:19:02 PM
Peter Donnelly now linking up with Monaghan if Banty gets the gig.Seems strange that he couldnt have stayed part time in tyrone.

He strangely wasn't wanted I heard at the weekend!!
I imagine there will be more to follow as to what has happened but very silly of Tyrone!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on August 26, 2019, 12:51:10 PM
County board wouldn't pay him what he wanted so couldn't retain him. It's purely financial. A real lack of foresight on the county boards behalf in my opinion. One that they'll in time regret.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 26, 2019, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: TF15 on August 26, 2019, 12:51:10 PM
County board wouldn't pay him what he wanted so couldn't retain him. It's purely financial. A real lack of foresight on the county boards behalf in my opinion. One that they'll in time regret.

Are we really saying that there is no one else in the whole county that is fit to come up with a S&C plan? This fawning over PD is a bit much.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 26, 2019, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: TF15 on August 26, 2019, 12:51:10 PM
County board wouldn't pay him what he wanted so couldn't retain him. It's purely financial. A real lack of foresight on the county boards behalf in my opinion. One that they'll in time regret.

So you want the County Board to keep giving him more money every time he asked for it? Not going to happen.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 26, 2019, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 26, 2019, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: TF15 on August 26, 2019, 12:51:10 PM
County board wouldn't pay him what he wanted so couldn't retain him. It's purely financial. A real lack of foresight on the county boards behalf in my opinion. One that they'll in time regret.

So you want the County Board to keep giving him more money every time he asked for it? Not going to happen.

Yes he's a proven tack record to be one of the best in the industry and it well affordable for our county board!

Any tom dick or harry just cant come in and do it!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 29, 2019, 06:09:53 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 26, 2019, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 26, 2019, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: TF15 on August 26, 2019, 12:51:10 PM
County board wouldn't pay him what he wanted so couldn't retain him. It's purely financial. A real lack of foresight on the county boards behalf in my opinion. One that they'll in time regret.

So you want the County Board to keep giving him more money every time he asked for it? Not going to happen.

Yes he's a proven tack record to be one of the best in the industry and it well affordable for our county board!

Any tom dick or harry just cant come in and do it!!

Wonder if it was a case of Ferguson and Rooney were Utd agreed a player / employee couldn't be paid more than the manager?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
Any new additions to the training coaches?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 29, 2019, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
Any new additions to the training coaches?

Big name being mentioned
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 29, 2019, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on August 26, 2019, 02:04:47 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 26, 2019, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: TF15 on August 26, 2019, 12:51:10 PM
County board wouldn't pay him what he wanted so couldn't retain him. It's purely financial. A real lack of foresight on the county boards behalf in my opinion. One that they'll in time regret.

So you want the County Board to keep giving him more money every time he asked for it? Not going to happen.

Yes he's a proven tack record to be one of the best in the industry and it well affordable for our county board!

Any tom dick or harry just cant come in and do it!!

I'd give the Kerry S/C coach a shout, his boys were fitter than Peter Donnellys from what I seen a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 11:22:00 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 29, 2019, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
Any new additions to the training coaches?

Big name being mentioned
Big surname maybe 😁😁
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on August 30, 2019, 07:35:09 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 11:22:00 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 29, 2019, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
Any new additions to the training coaches?

Big name being mentioned
Big surname maybe 😁😁

Not related to MH. If it comes off it's a game changer.

Have my doubts about it myself can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on August 30, 2019, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 30, 2019, 07:35:09 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 11:22:00 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 29, 2019, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
Any new additions to the training coaches?

Big name being mentioned
Big surname maybe 😁😁

Not related to MH. If it comes off it's a game changer.

Have my doubts about it myself can't see it happening.

Do you really think if you name him on a Tyrone discussion board that you could hinder the chances of it happening or why wont you say then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 30, 2019, 08:56:47 AM
Canavan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 30, 2019, 11:51:10 AM
I'm guessing by the hints and riddles it someone named harte who isn't related to mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 30, 2019, 12:42:36 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 30, 2019, 11:51:10 AM
I'm guessing by the hints and riddles it someone named harte who isn't related to mickey.
Mickey Joe harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on August 30, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
Who is the Harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 30, 2019, 09:29:53 PM
Mark
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 30, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
Tony Hart. At least he might be able to draw up a game plan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 30, 2019, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 30, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
Tony Hart. At least he might be able to draw up a game plan.
lol. Think he dead so kinda rules him out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 30, 2019, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on August 30, 2019, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 30, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
Tony Hart. At least he might be able to draw up a game plan.
lol. Think he dead so kinda rules him out.

Like Tyrone's All Ireland chances.
Anyway, we look forward to another 23 McKenna Cups.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on August 30, 2019, 10:14:38 PM
I think Fergal Logan would be a great help to Mickey, for the 2020 campaign.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 30, 2019, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on August 30, 2019, 10:14:38 PM
I think Fergal Logan would be a great help to Mickey, for the 2020 campaign.
he's been a great help for years when it comes to appeals.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on August 30, 2019, 11:40:30 PM
Owen Hart?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 31, 2019, 04:31:57 AM
Kevin Hart?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on August 31, 2019, 07:13:06 AM
Broken heart?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 31, 2019, 07:51:03 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 11:22:00 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 29, 2019, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
Any new additions to the training coaches?

Big name being mentioned
Big surname maybe 😁😁
'hub' Huge?
Geoffrey Biggs?
Eddie Large?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on August 31, 2019, 11:36:19 AM
Peter Donnelly away to Monaghan and Sean Cavanagh not happy. Check his tweet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 31, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
What a colossal c**k up by Tyrone county board letting one of the best coaches in the county join a neighbouring competitor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 31, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
What a colossal c**k up by Tyrone county board letting one of the best coaches in the county join a neighbouring competitor.

Donnelly a mercenary. That's three Ulster Counties now in a short career.....

Maybe they were just sick of his demands for £
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 31, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
This is not a dig at Donnelly who I am sure is excellent and will be missed etc, etc. But is there a more bullshit job than S&C coach? Lift those weights a few times. Jump up on that box. Run over there. Some amount of frauds at that job. A four week course and you're a personal trainer. f**k me the country is full of PTs and gyms.

No wonder Cavanagh isn't happy. Him and Donnelly are big mates. Donnelly I think was his groomsman. So Sean not really being objective.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on August 31, 2019, 08:16:59 PM
You haven't a clue
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on August 31, 2019, 08:27:10 PM
While it is a loss for tyrone I do wonder if it was money related or if he was unhappy with the set up. For the last 2 years there was rumours about him leaving and he seemed to have gotten more money each year to stay. It would seem hes money on the mind.  3rd team in what 5/6 years isn't a good sign.

The bigger lost in my mind is o'Neill as one of the best forwards ever to grace the game. While a s&c coach is vital there is only so much they can do. Wonder if this will bite Donnelly in the ass in the long run.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on August 31, 2019, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 31, 2019, 08:16:59 PM
You haven't a clue

What about? Personal training or Donnelly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Will it ever end on August 31, 2019, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 31, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
What a colossal c**k up by Tyrone county board letting one of the best coaches in the county join a neighbouring competitor.

Donnelly a mercenary. That's three Ulster Counties now in a short career.....

Maybe they were just sick of his demands for £

What would Peter command - £30k a year? + a number of other freelance roles he would assist in other clubs around the country.

I wouldn't have thought he'd be commanding very much more than that in his role within Ulster as he isn't the lead S+C coach within Ulster rugby which is a professional concern.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on August 31, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 31, 2019, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 31, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
What a colossal c**k up by Tyrone county board letting one of the best coaches in the county join a neighbouring competitor.

Donnelly a mercenary. That's three Ulster Counties now in a short career.....

Maybe they were just sick of his demands for £

What would Peter command - £30k a year? + a number of other freelance roles he would assist in other clubs around the country.

I wouldn't have thought he'd be commanding very much more than that in his role within Ulster as he isn't the lead S+C coach within Ulster rugby which is a professional concern.

He was on close to £40,000 this year with Tyrone alone. After a near £10,000 increase from the previous year. Can't keep throwing money at people.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Will it ever end on August 31, 2019, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 31, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 31, 2019, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 31, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
What a colossal c**k up by Tyrone county board letting one of the best coaches in the county join a neighbouring competitor.

Donnelly a mercenary. That's three Ulster Counties now in a short career.....

Maybe they were just sick of his demands for £

What would Peter command - £30k a year? + a number of other freelance roles he would assist in other clubs around the country.

I wouldn't have thought he'd be commanding very much more than that in his role within Ulster as he isn't the lead S+C coach within Ulster rugby which is a professional concern.

He was on close to £40,000 this year with Tyrone alone. After a near £10,000 from the previous year. Can't keep throwing money at people.

That's surprising - I'd have thought the role in Ulster wouldn't be at that level & I suppose it is a case where do you stop with that - I'd imagine he'll have been one of the best paid S&C coaches in GAA.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 01, 2019, 12:22:51 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 31, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 31, 2019, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 31, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
What a colossal c**k up by Tyrone county board letting one of the best coaches in the county join a neighbouring competitor.

Donnelly a mercenary. That's three Ulster Counties now in a short career.....

Maybe they were just sick of his demands for £

What would Peter command - £30k a year? + a number of other freelance roles he would assist in other clubs around the country.

I wouldn't have thought he'd be commanding very much more than that in his role within Ulster as he isn't the lead S+C coach within Ulster rugby which is a professional concern.

He was on close to £40,000 this year with Tyrone alone. After a near £10,000 increase from the previous year. Can't keep throwing money at people.

The fella was working day and night so deserved a salary to reflect that. I ve no idea what he was on though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 01, 2019, 01:01:45 AM
Holy sh1t, Donnelly is a mercenary!!
Some people are clueless. Maybe he should do his job for free. Maybe he shouldn't try to get as much as possible for his family. Some lads on here are incredible. Should mickey do his job for free
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 01, 2019, 01:07:19 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 31, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
This is not a dig at Donnelly who I am sure is excellent and will be missed etc, etc. But is there a more bullshit job than S&C coach? Lift those weights a few times. Jump up on that box. Run over there. Some amount of frauds at that job. A four week course and you're a personal trainer. f**k me the country is full of PTs and gyms.

No wonder Cavanagh isn't happy. Him and Donnelly are big mates. Donnelly I think was his groomsman. So Sean not really being objective.

When you look at Tyrone/Donegal/Dublin doing the parade against smaller counties just compare the physique of the two sets of players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2019, 02:33:46 AM
He is a god damn strength and conditioning coach for crying out loud.
You would think he is some sort of super coach
When do you ever hear of strength coaches in other sports?
All blacks no
Barcelona no
Dublin no
Kilkenny no
Tyrone 03/05/08 no
Liverpool no
corafin no
Caula no

Some people of building these strength coaches up to something they are not. Clare Meath Longford all strip out bigger than Tyrone ffs. Give over and move on lads.
Tyrone will get another man in who does the same shite for half the  cost and within a month the players will love him. Just the way the Monaghan lads will one Donnelly just the way they loved whoever the last strength coach was
They are on a serious gravy train that I know

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Will it ever end on September 01, 2019, 02:36:50 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 01, 2019, 01:01:45 AM
Holy sh1t, Donnelly is a mercenary!!
Some people are clueless. Maybe he should do his job for free. Maybe he shouldn't try to get as much as possible for his family. Some lads on here are incredible. Should mickey do his job for free

I wouldn't have thought anyone expects the role not to carry a salary, but I'd also have thought it would have been well paid at those levels - certainly compared to other counties & definitely compared to Ulster rugby.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on September 01, 2019, 08:52:36 AM
Quote from: Will it ever end on September 01, 2019, 02:36:50 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 01, 2019, 01:01:45 AM
Holy sh1t, Donnelly is a mercenary!!
Some people are clueless. Maybe he should do his job for free. Maybe he shouldn't try to get as much as possible for his family. Some lads on here are incredible. Should mickey do his job for free

I wouldn't have thought anyone expects the role not to carry a salary, but I'd also have thought it would have been well paid at those levels - certainly compared to other counties & definitely compared to Ulster rugby.

On what basis would you think that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Will it ever end on September 01, 2019, 08:59:55 AM
The salary of £40k for S&C coach inside a county?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2019, 10:08:00 AM
Sure did Gavin Devlin not get 30 grand for a made up academy coaching role to keep him away from the clonduff job?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 01, 2019, 10:39:15 AM
It's a bit of glorified personal training. Hampsey has his own PT gym. He could do it. The guys not inventing fire for f**ks sake. All this fawning over a guy who essentially copies a load of exercises and asks players to do them is a bit OTT.

I wish Peter all the best.

And what's more he is right to ask for as much money as he can get. It's his time and he is entitled to value it at whatever he likes whether that be 30k, 40k, or 100k.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 01, 2019, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 01, 2019, 01:01:45 AM
Holy sh1t, Donnelly is a mercenary!!
Some people are clueless. Maybe he should do his job for free. Maybe he shouldn't try to get as much as possible for his family. Some lads on here are incredible. Should mickey do his job for free

You explain to me your thought process on this

Signs for Ulster Rugby, massive opportunity and nobody can begrudge that. Leaves Tyrone, fair enough. Hard to knock professional sport and the majority of GAA work is anti social hours I suppose, certainly in comparison to working with Ulster Rugby Academy.

Except there's a twist, all along he's been talking to Monaghan and Seamus McEnaney - Fair play to both of them for pulling off the coup by the way.

But don't be coming onto the message board and portraying Donnelly as some kind of victim, he all know he walked out last year over money. He's walked out this year over an opportunity.....then he's signed up for a rival county and I'd hazard a guess he's not doing it for the love of the GAA.

He's entitled to get his money up when his name is out there, but that is essentially the definition of a mercenary.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 01, 2019, 10:53:34 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 01, 2019, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 01, 2019, 01:01:45 AM
Holy sh1t, Donnelly is a mercenary!!
Some people are clueless. Maybe he should do his job for free. Maybe he shouldn't try to get as much as possible for his family. Some lads on here are incredible. Should mickey do his job for free

You explain to me your thought process on this

Signs for Ulster Rugby, massive opportunity and nobody can begrudge that. Leaves Tyrone, fair enough. Hard to knock professional sport and the majority of GAA work is anti social hours I suppose, certainly in comparison to working with Ulster Rugby Academy.

Except there's a twist, all along he's been talking to Monaghan and Seamus McEnaney - Fair play to both of them for pulling off the coup by the way.

But don't be coming onto the message board and portraying Donnelly as some kind of victim, he all know he walked out last year over money. He's walked out this year over an opportunity.....then he's signed up for a rival county and I'd hazard a guess he's not doing it for the love of the GAA.

He's entitled to get his money up when his name is out there, but that is essentially the definition of a mercenary.

He's an S&C coach. Like I said they country is full of them. He's created an aura around himself rightly or wrongly but it's like the Korean army there's always another one.  Don't get worked up about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 01, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
It's Ulster youth he is working with not the senior squad btw
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 01, 2019, 11:11:49 AM
How can guys be calling Peter Donnelly a mercenary when this is his profession? He is entitled to get as much money as he can, where he can. I'd be more worried about the money harte, Devlin and co are creaming off Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 01, 2019, 11:19:51 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 01, 2019, 11:11:49 AM
How can guys be calling Peter Donnelly a mercenary when this is his profession? He is entitled to get as much money as he can, where he can. I'd be more worried about the money harte, Devlin and co are creaming off Tyrone.

Of course he is, but that is a mercenary....I don't see the problem here in calling a spade a spade. It's just easy to stick the boot into Harte/Tyrone/Devlin/Whoever....but Donnelly has done this himself and it's not his first time causing trouble in the background. Let him run on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2019, 02:03:18 PM
He is a strength and conditioning man ffs lads. He is hardly the brains behind it all. Hundreds of men to replace him. It's not as if ya have lost the real man behind the success Mickey. Don't build these strength coaches up to be something that they are not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 31, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
This is not a dig at Donnelly who I am sure is excellent and will be missed etc, etc. But is there a more bullshit job than S&C coach? Lift those weights a few times. Jump up on that box. Run over there. Some amount of frauds at that job. A four week course and you're a personal trainer. f**k me the country is full of PTs and gyms.

No wonder Cavanagh isn't happy. Him and Donnelly are big mates. Donnelly I think was his groomsman. So Sean not really being objective.
Possibly the stupidest comment to ever occur on this board?? How can you compare a basic PT to Peter Donnelly, he does way more than just tell boys to "Lift those weights" "jump on that box"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 31, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
This is not a dig at Donnelly who I am sure is excellent and will be missed etc, etc. But is there a more bullshit job than S&C coach? Lift those weights a few times. Jump up on that box. Run over there. Some amount of frauds at that job. A four week course and you're a personal trainer. f**k me the country is full of PTs and gyms.

No wonder Cavanagh isn't happy. Him and Donnelly are big mates. Donnelly I think was his groomsman. So Sean not really being objective.
Possibly the stupidest comment to ever occur on this board?? How can you compare a basic PT to Peter Donnelly, he does way more than just tell boys to "Lift those weights" "jump on that box"

Peter Donnelly is absolutely a great s&c  coach but he is a bit over played in my opinion. When has a team ever won a ai due to strength or conditioning,its a big part but it's by no means the be all and end all. Are Monaghan going to win an ai now that hes with them? No chance
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 02, 2019, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 01, 2019, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 31, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
This is not a dig at Donnelly who I am sure is excellent and will be missed etc, etc. But is there a more bullshit job than S&C coach? Lift those weights a few times. Jump up on that box. Run over there. Some amount of frauds at that job. A four week course and you're a personal trainer. f**k me the country is full of PTs and gyms.

No wonder Cavanagh isn't happy. Him and Donnelly are big mates. Donnelly I think was his groomsman. So Sean not really being objective.
Possibly the stupidest comment to ever occur on this board?? How can you compare a basic PT to Peter Donnelly, he does way more than just tell boys to "Lift those weights" "jump on that box"

Peter Donnelly is absolutely a great s&c  coach but he is a bit over played in my opinion. When has a team ever won a ai due to strength or conditioning,its a big part but it's by no means the be all and end all. Are Monaghan going to win an ai now that hes with them? No chance

I think a lot of people are using it to beat Harte with, this looks firmly a county board expenditure v Donnelly thing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 02, 2019, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 31, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
This is not a dig at Donnelly who I am sure is excellent and will be missed etc, etc. But is there a more bullshit job than S&C coach? Lift those weights a few times. Jump up on that box. Run over there. Some amount of frauds at that job. A four week course and you're a personal trainer. f**k me the country is full of PTs and gyms.

No wonder Cavanagh isn't happy. Him and Donnelly are big mates. Donnelly I think was his groomsman. So Sean not really being objective.
Possibly the stupidest comment to ever occur on this board?? How can you compare a basic PT to Peter Donnelly, he does way more than just tell boys to "Lift those weights" "jump on that box"

Dead on. You tell yourself that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Drumraghexile on September 02, 2019, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 31, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
This is not a dig at Donnelly who I am sure is excellent and will be missed etc, etc. But is there a more bullshit job than S&C coach? Lift those weights a few times. Jump up on that box. Run over there. Some amount of frauds at that job. A four week course and you're a personal trainer. f**k me the country is full of PTs and gyms.

No wonder Cavanagh isn't happy. Him and Donnelly are big mates. Donnelly I think was his groomsman. So Sean not really being objective.
Possibly the stupidest comment to ever occur on this board?? How can you compare a basic PT to Peter Donnelly, he does way more than just tell boys to "Lift those weights" "jump on that box"

Goodman pearse blue, ill have to agree with you on this one!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid 2.0 on September 02, 2019, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2019, 02:33:46 AM
He is a god damn strength and conditioning coach for crying out loud.
You would think he is some sort of super coach
When do you ever hear of strength coaches in other sports?
All blacks no
Barcelona no
Dublin no
Kilkenny no
Tyrone 03/05/08 no
Liverpool no
corafin no
Caula no

Some people of building these strength coaches up to something they are not. Clare Meath Longford all strip out bigger than Tyrone ffs. Give over and move on lads.
Tyrone will get another man in who does the same shite for half the  cost and within a month the players will love him. Just the way the Monaghan lads will one Donnelly just the way they loved whoever the last strength coach was
They are on a serious gravy train that I know

Dublin dont have a S&C coach?!? Iv heard some pretty stupid things on this board but this my friend tops the lot
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 02, 2019, 12:12:38 PM
No I meant you never hear of them. They go about their work unnoticed and little fuss.
You would swear Peter Donnelly was some sort of superman
He is a strength coach ffs.
Mickey Harte is the man who has brought success to Tyrone so stop all this nonsense about a strength coach
They are everywhere
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 02, 2019, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on September 02, 2019, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2019, 02:33:46 AM
He is a god damn strength and conditioning coach for crying out loud.
You would think he is some sort of super coach
When do you ever hear of strength coaches in other sports?
All blacks no
Barcelona no
Dublin no
Kilkenny no
Tyrone 03/05/08 no
Liverpool no
corafin no
Caula no

Some people of building these strength coaches up to something they are not. Clare Meath Longford all strip out bigger than Tyrone ffs. Give over and move on lads.
Tyrone will get another man in who does the same shite for half the  cost and within a month the players will love him. Just the way the Monaghan lads will one Donnelly just the way they loved whoever the last strength coach was
They are on a serious gravy train that I know

Dublin dont have a S&C coach?!? Iv heard some pretty stupid things on this board but this my friend tops the lot

Dublin I think around 2012 lost there S&C coach to Leinster Rugby, He like Donnelly laid the foundations for the standard of what it should be!
Would I be wrong now in sayin that Bernard Dunne is part of their S&C coaches, he's def involved anyway!! Also Dublin train in massive complex like Setanta sports and NADA (National Athlete Development Academy) where they have a host of the top coaches in Ireland!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: gander on September 02, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on September 02, 2019, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on September 02, 2019, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2019, 02:33:46 AM
He is a god damn strength and conditioning coach for crying out loud.
You would think he is some sort of super coach
When do you ever hear of strength coaches in other sports?
All blacks no
Barcelona no
Dublin no
Kilkenny no
Tyrone 03/05/08 no
Liverpool no
corafin no
Caula no

Some people of building these strength coaches up to something they are not. Clare Meath Longford all strip out bigger than Tyrone ffs. Give over and move on lads.
Tyrone will get another man in who does the same shite for half the  cost and within a month the players will love him. Just the way the Monaghan lads will one Donnelly just the way they loved whoever the last strength coach was
They are on a serious gravy train that I know

Dublin dont have a S&C coach?!? Iv heard some pretty stupid things on this board but this my friend tops the lot

Dublin I think around 2012 lost there S&C coach to Leinster Rugby, He like Donnelly laid the foundations for the standard of what it should be!
Would I be wrong now in sayin that Bernard Dunne is part of their S&C coaches, he's def involved anyway!! Also Dublin train in massive complex like Setanta sports and NADA (National Athlete Development Academy) where they have a host of the top coaches in Ireland!

dont think dunne is involved anymore, he's head of the irish boxing now.  Bryan Cullen is performance director in charge of all that craic now - he came from leinster rugby
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 02, 2019, 12:47:24 PM
I think that was Bryan Cullen. He's now back involved with Dublin he's got the fancy job title High Performance Manager. Dunne hasn't been involved this few years. He is in charge of the amateur boxers as far as I know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 02, 2019, 02:46:31 PM
Jesus we're completely doomed without Donnelly now. Who will explain the weights exercises to the lads now? Who will set up the cones for training drills?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid 2.0 on September 02, 2019, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 02, 2019, 02:46:31 PM
Jesus we're completely doomed without Donnelly now. Who will explain the weights exercises to the lads now? Who will set up the cones for training drills?

You could nearly do it as its so easy done?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 02, 2019, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: OurKid 2.0 on September 02, 2019, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 02, 2019, 02:46:31 PM
Jesus we're completely doomed without Donnelly now. Who will explain the weights exercises to the lads now? Who will set up the cones for training drills?

You could nearly do it as its so easy done?

Trailer, go back to your man united discussion as you clearly don't have a clue about this.. I'd say if you asked any of the lads on that team they highly respect Donnelly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 02, 2019, 04:39:04 PM
I get that he's highly respected and the players loved him and that he's good at what he does etc, etc. But he's an S&C coach. Getting the players fit is his job. End of story. He is replaceable.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 02, 2019, 05:21:19 PM
Any danger to McShane's expected All-Star from yesterday's game?

Dean Rock's stock has gone up, Geaney down for me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 02, 2019, 06:56:12 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 02, 2019, 05:21:19 PM
Any danger to McShane's expected All-Star from yesterday's game?

Dean Rock's stock has gone up, Geaney down for me.

If anything Cathal's stock has risen after yesterday. That Kerry full back looked solid enough yesterday against the supposedly best attack in the country - Cathal had them all over the shop.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on September 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
After that match yesterday it got me thinking, are we there or thereabouts or do we still have a bit to go? What I'd give for a Sean oshea as every free seemed to comfortably sail over the bar and a towering midfielder with him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 02, 2019, 10:02:31 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
After that match yesterday it got me thinking, are we there or thereabouts or do we still have a bit to go? What I'd give for a Sean oshea as every free seemed to comfortably sail over the bar and a towering midfielder with him
to be honest we shouldn't be let near an all Ireland final. We are shite to watch and try to kill games. Dublin and Kerry played proper football yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 03, 2019, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 02, 2019, 10:02:31 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
After that match yesterday it got me thinking, are we there or thereabouts or do we still have a bit to go? What I'd give for a Sean oshea as every free seemed to comfortably sail over the bar and a towering midfielder with him
to be honest we shouldn't be let near an all Ireland final. We are shite to watch and try to kill games. Dublin and Kerry played proper football yesterday.

You shouldn't be near a computer unfortunately either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 03, 2019, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
After that match yesterday it got me thinking, are we there or thereabouts or do we still have a bit to go? What I'd give for a Sean oshea as every free seemed to comfortably sail over the bar and a towering midfielder with him

If we had Sean O'Shea, Harte would suck all the confidence and skill right out of him. He stick him in at half back, watch him play well, then drop him for some random boy from Dregish to make his debut in an Ulster Final marking a Conor McManus or a Ryan McHugh. That's the Harte way.

Heard why Stephen O'Neill left the panel. Wasn't impressed with the favouritism shown to a particular Errigal player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 03, 2019, 12:34:49 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 03, 2019, 10:42:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 03, 2019, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
After that match yesterday it got me thinking, are we there or thereabouts or do we still have a bit to go? What I'd give for a Sean oshea as every free seemed to comfortably sail over the bar and a towering midfielder with him

If we had Sean O'Shea, Harte would suck all the confidence and skill right out of him. He stick him in at half back, watch him play well, then drop him for some random boy from Dregish to make his debut in an Ulster Final marking a Conor McManus or a Ryan McHugh. That's the Harte way.

Heard why Stephen O'Neill left the panel. Wasn't impressed with the favouritism shown to a particular Errigal player.

As Pat Spillane said, there are 2 types of people - people who dont know, and there are people who dont know what they dont know - you are the latter my friend.
Also dont know how reliable that source would be.

Shows how much you know when you attribute that quote to Pat Spillane and you misquoted it!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 03, 2019, 01:08:15 PM
Just be thankful lads that hartes Tyrone didn't get the chance to ruin another all Ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 03, 2019, 01:25:25 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
After that match yesterday it got me thinking, are we there or thereabouts or do we still have a bit to go? What I'd give for a Sean oshea as every free seemed to comfortably sail over the bar and a towering midfielder with him

I think the sending off was a huge factor. Kerry were 5 points down at that stage coming into HT I think. Was it 7 points we were down at HT last year?

I would have seen Dublin winning that out comfortably otherwise. Cooper generally gets away with that and while it as probably a red card by the rule book, it was pretty harsh in what is generally let go and what else was let go in that game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 03, 2019, 01:28:11 PM
Mark Bradley gave Cian O'Sullivan the run around early on last year and Gavin whisked him off fairly quickly and Dublin got on top of him. This year Gavin didn't take Cooper off or move him on to someone else and it very nearly cost Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 03, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 03, 2019, 01:25:25 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
After that match yesterday it got me thinking, are we there or thereabouts or do we still have a bit to go? What I'd give for a Sean oshea as every free seemed to comfortably sail over the bar and a towering midfielder with him

I think the sending off was a huge factor. Kerry were 5 points down at that stage coming into HT I think. Was it 7 points we were down at HT last year?

I would have seen Dublin winning that out comfortably otherwise. Cooper generally gets away with that and while it as probably a red card by the rule book, it was pretty harsh in what is generally let go and what else was let go in that game.

They were comfortable up to the goal and then had a 10 minute spell where there was a bit of panic stations. They dominated the ball after Kerry took the lead and that  with 14 men. I see them winning by 5-6 points in the replay. Their backline is creaking though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 03, 2019, 03:12:53 PM
O Sullivan's hamstring went
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 03, 2019, 03:45:41 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 03, 2019, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 03, 2019, 12:34:49 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 03, 2019, 10:42:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 03, 2019, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
After that match yesterday it got me thinking, are we there or thereabouts or do we still have a bit to go? What I'd give for a Sean oshea as every free seemed to comfortably sail over the bar and a towering midfielder with him

If we had Sean O'Shea, Harte would suck all the confidence and skill right out of him. He stick him in at half back, watch him play well, then drop him for some random boy from Dregish to make his debut in an Ulster Final marking a Conor McManus or a Ryan McHugh. That's the Harte way.

Heard why Stephen O'Neill left the panel. Wasn't impressed with the favouritism shown to a particular Errigal player.

As Pat Spillane said, there are 2 types of people - people who dont know, and there are people who dont know what they dont know - you are the latter my friend.
Also dont know how reliable that source would be.

Shows how much you know when you attribute that quote to Pat Spillane and you misquoted it!

tell me where you see quotation marks in that statement

f**k me. I'm now correcting grammar am I?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 03, 2019, 06:48:05 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 03, 2019, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 03, 2019, 01:28:11 PM
Mark Bradley gave Cian O'Sullivan the run around early on last year and Gavin whisked him off fairly quickly and Dublin got on top of him. This year Gavin didn't take Cooper off or move him on to someone else and it very nearly cost Dublin.

O'Sullivan not get injured last year? (could be wrong)
i think kerry have missed there chance also.

Possibly but it was a blessing in disguise either way as he was well off it and Bradley was getting a lot of joy in the early part. I don't think Kerry did anything unbelievable by making a game of it against a 14 man Dublin last year, we actually reduced the gap by 8 points to 4 from when John Small was sent off last year and that was just before the game went into injury time. I'd say we'd have given them a rattle too if we had to play a 14 man Dublin side for over half the game.

It's the first time in a big game under Gavin that any team has had the chance to play against Dublin with an extra man for a significant portion of the game. It's the type of opportunity you simply cannot let pass by. Donal Vaughan shot Mayo in the foot when he got sent off in 2016 as I'm fully convinced Mayo would have beaten them with the extra man. Kerry weren't good enough to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on September 05, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
I think Cian O'Sullivan carried his injury into the game - Mark Bradley got early joy against him but I think Dublin also resolved the problem relatively early in the game.

Just wondering if Mark Bradley makes a good partner up front for Cathal Mc Shane up front in the future - shame they didn't get a chance to try it out this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on September 05, 2019, 03:30:35 PM
I think Mark Bradley was away at college and couldn't commit for the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2019, 12:20:37 PM
Another smashing article by enda McGinley in today's Irish news. Great read every Friday. A Tyrone man on top of his game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 06, 2019, 12:26:01 PM
Give us the gist of it there, I don't read tabloids.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 06, 2019, 12:29:48 PM
At a guess.
Mickey Harte is the greatest. My tongue is so far up his hole I can lick the back of his tonsils. I'm totally objective. I'm the Ballygawley Sean Cavanagh and will talk shite on TV in a shit suit for money. Mickey Harte is a tactical magician and anyone who criticises him doesn't know what they're talking about.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 06, 2019, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 06, 2019, 12:29:48 PM
At a guess.
Mickey Harte is the greatest. My tongue is so far up his hole I can lick the back of his tonsils. I'm totally objective. I'm the Ballygawley Sean Cavanagh and will talk shite on TV in a shit suit for money. Mickey Harte is a tactical magician and anyone who criticises him doesn't know what they're talking about.
get a pound and buy the Irish news and think you'll be pleasently surprised.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on September 07, 2019, 12:59:17 AM
Enda McGinley is a horrible analyst, commentator and pundit. I read his article on why students/young people shouldn't go away anywhere during the summer and I vomited all over myself. What a load of boring, nonsensical drivel.
He should stick to the physio work, which I've heard he is among the best in Ireland at.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on September 07, 2019, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 06, 2019, 12:20:37 PM
Another smashing article by enda McGinley in today's Irish news. Great read every Friday. A Tyrone man on top of his game.

Can you provide a link?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 07, 2019, 03:37:07 PM
Quote from: sidelineball on September 07, 2019, 12:59:17 AM
Enda McGinley is a horrible analyst, commentator and pundit. I read his article on why students/young people shouldn't go away anywhere during the summer and I vomited all over myself. What a load of boring, nonsensical drivel.
He should stick to the physio work, which I've heard he is among the best in Ireland at.

You vomited all over yourself from reading a newspaper article ?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on September 09, 2019, 08:59:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 06, 2019, 12:29:48 PM
At a guess.
Mickey Harte is the greatest. My tongue is so far up his hole I can lick the back of his tonsils. I'm totally objective. I'm the Ballygawley Sean Cavanagh and will talk shite on TV in a shit suit for money. Mickey Harte is a tactical magician and anyone who criticises him doesn't know what they're talking about.

The bit you got bang on is that you talk shite. A lot of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 10, 2019, 12:54:52 PM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on September 10, 2019, 12:05:06 PM
Harte up at the Coalisland v Arboe game, surely looking for a few new faces to draft into the panel. A couple impressed over the weekend.

Probably a few players with too much confidence and ability. Harte will sort that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 10, 2019, 01:48:03 PM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on September 10, 2019, 12:05:06 PM
Harte up at the Coalisland v Arboe game, surely looking for a few new faces to draft into the panel. A couple impressed over the weekend.

Yeah and you could have picked them before throw up - Mackers and Michael O'Neil. O'Neil will get the call up id say this winter but Mackers wont as they claim he's too old which is bulls**t as you need to be playing your strongest team and the strongest team available to pick outa Tyrone would have him on it, weather he's only fit to play for 1 or 2 years max shouldn't matter, he should be on to improve the players around him and raise standards!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
Peter donnelly spotted at a few Monaghan championship games last weekend. Looks like he gonna be more heavily involved than just s/c sessions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 10, 2019, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
Peter donnelly spotted at a few Monaghan championship games last weekend. Looks like he gonna be more heavily involved than just s/c sessions.

Imagine the Monaghan S&C coach been spotted at Monaghan club games, breaking news indeed......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
It fuckin is outrageous. And to think he offered to take Tyrone seniors for a few nights per week and harte told him your here full time or not at all!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 10, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
It fuckin is outrageous. And to think he offered to take Tyrone seniors for a few nights per week and harte told him your here full time or not at all!

Bullshit !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 10, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
It fuckin is outrageous. And to think he offered to take Tyrone seniors for a few nights per week and harte told him your here full time or not at all!

Bullshit !!!
fact!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 11, 2019, 10:17:32 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 10, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
It fuckin is outrageous. And to think he offered to take Tyrone seniors for a few nights per week and harte told him your here full time or not at all!

Bullshit !!!
fact!

You're sources would appear to be correct in this instance as the talk in these parts is Peter Donnelly did offer to continue working with Tyrone senior team with the same availability of anyone with a 9-5 job!

Apparently he is still waiting for a reply .... the mind boggles
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 11:44:58 AM




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns
- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 11, 2019, 12:00:42 PM
Harsh enough on Harry Loughran there Angelo. Thought he made a pretty big impact in 2018 in his first year on the squad (I think) and then his season has been totally decimated with injury. He would be worth holding onto if his injury is cleared up whatever that is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 11, 2019, 12:00:42 PM
Harsh enough on Harry Loughran there Angelo. Thought he made a pretty big impact in 2018 in his first year on the squad (I think) and then his season has been totally decimated with injury. He would be worth holding onto if his injury is cleared up whatever that is.

Maybe so, I don't ever see him being a starter. He does have an uncanny knack for a goal though. I think he's best utilised as an impact sub and whether he'd be happy with that is another thing?

Also what is he? Defender, attacker, target man? He seemed to start out as a wing back but then seemed to play as a half forward or target man inside. He certainly could have something to offer and I might be a little harsh there but I think he's one of those players we have that falls in between too many stools.

The biggest issue we need to address going forward is the no 6 position, Hampsey probably be the best fit there but I think there will certainly be games where he will needed to be moved out of to do a specific man marking job. We're still lacking a little in man markers, McNamee, Brennan and Hampsey are our best in this regard and probably HP next in line. I wouldn't really have Cassidy down as a man marker but felt he was super on David Moran against Kerry. McKernan and Burns both have great engines and can get forward a lot but both are naive defensively, McKernan in particular.


I don't see to many standout defensive options in the county that are not already there. I think we have a few decent options in the middle third at the minute not in the setup which might offer us more than a few of the fringe lads currently there.

I hope Grugan and Coney both stick around next year to give it a proper lash and see if they nail down spots on the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on September 11, 2019, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 11, 2019, 10:17:32 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 10, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 10, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
It fuckin is outrageous. And to think he offered to take Tyrone seniors for a few nights per week and harte told him your here full time or not at all!

Bullshit !!!
fact!

You're sources would appear to be correct in this instance as the talk in these parts is Peter Donnelly did offer to continue working with Tyrone senior team with the same availability of anyone with a 9-5 job!

Apparently he is still waiting for a reply .... the mind boggles

That not what STG stated.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 11, 2019, 05:13:52 PM
Donnelly wrote a letter to county board but got no reply. He got a very firm reply from harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
The usual idiots engaging in unsubstantiated innuendo.

Put up or shut up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyronerebel on September 12, 2019, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 11:44:58 AM




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns
- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

Harsh on these two lads Angelo. both have been injured 90% of their time with the county and in my opinion if got a decent run at it wouldn't be far of a starting place. Burns is a very good man marker that i would rate better than HP and McHugh is a great scoring forward won the div 2 sharp shotter 2 years in a row before his unlucky run supposedly near back to full fitness. Id also agree with square ball with his opinion on Harry Loughran
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on September 12, 2019, 09:49:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 11:44:58 AM




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns
- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

Ruairi Mullan, great player and could nail down a spot on that tyrone team but he wants to play football regularly and there is no guarantee of regular game time with Tyrone, the team is changed nearly every game. Cookstown would also be in serious bother with starred games if he was to go to tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 12, 2019, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on September 12, 2019, 09:49:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 11:44:58 AM




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns
- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

Ruairi Mullan, great player and could nail down a spot on that tyrone team but he wants to play football regularly and there is no guarantee of regular game time with Tyrone, the team is changed nearly every game. Cookstown would also be in serious bother with starred games if he was to go to tyrone
Conor Shields from Clogher is a player who should be looked at. Was excellent for Clogher in the championship last week. Has previously captained Tyrone U20s. Good defensive option, especially since we haven't much depth in the full back line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 12, 2019, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: tyronerebel on September 12, 2019, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 11:44:58 AM




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns
- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

Harsh on these two lads Angelo. both have been injured 90% of their time with the county and in my opinion if got a decent run at it wouldn't be far of a starting place. Burns is a very good man marker that i would rate better than HP and McHugh is a great scoring forward won the div 2 sharp shotter 2 years in a row before his unlucky run supposedly near back to full fitness. Id also agree with square ball with his opinion on Harry Loughran

This year was McHugh's third on the panel. He missed this full year with a cruciate injury - did he have injuries the previous two years? I can't ever remember him making the 26 for a league or championship game and he hasn't made much of an impression in the McKenna Cup when he played.

Ronan McNabb will be gone also which will open up another spot on the panel. I'd expect 7 or 8 new faces for the McKenna Cup. As others have said, there are quite a few lads knocking about the fringes of our panel that have been there for 2 or 3 years now and haven't properly established themselves. Some will have mitigating circumstances and might well show potential in the in-house games so could get another chance, but others will have to go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyronerebel on September 13, 2019, 04:54:24 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 12, 2019, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: tyronerebel on September 12, 2019, 09:36:22 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 11:44:58 AM




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns
- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

Harsh on these two lads Angelo. both have been injured 90% of their time with the county and in my opinion if got a decent run at it wouldn't be far of a starting place. Burns is a very good man marker that i would rate better than HP and McHugh is a great scoring forward won the div 2 sharp shotter 2 years in a row before his unlucky run supposedly near back to full fitness. Id also agree with square ball with his opinion on Harry Loughran

This year was McHugh's third on the panel. He missed this full year with a cruciate injury - did he have injuries the previous two years? I can't ever remember him making the 26 for a league or championship game and he hasn't made much of an impression in the McKenna Cup when he played.

Ronan McNabb will be gone also which will open up another spot on the panel. I'd expect 7 or 8 new faces for the McKenna Cup. As others have said, there are quite a few lads knocking about the fringes of our panel that have been there for 2 or 3 years now and haven't properly established themselves. Some will have mitigating circumstances and might well show potential in the in-house games so could get another chance, but others will have to go.

He was also out the previous year with what i think was a groin or pelvis problem
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 06:33:14 AM
https://www.the42.ie/tyone-former-ulster-rugby-sc-coach-jonny-davis-replace-peter-donnelly-4812080-Sep2019/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 17, 2019, 08:08:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 06:33:14 AM
https://www.the42.ie/tyone-former-ulster-rugby-sc-coach-jonny-davis-replace-peter-donnelly-4812080-Sep2019/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
his sister seems better qualified.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 17, 2019, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 06:33:14 AM
https://www.the42.ie/tyone-former-ulster-rugby-sc-coach-jonny-davis-replace-peter-donnelly-4812080-Sep2019/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

They got rid of the wrong part of the management team. Harte should be shown the door, or just stop paying him and he'll probably leave of his own accord.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 17, 2019, 09:27:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 06:33:14 AM
https://www.the42.ie/tyone-former-ulster-rugby-sc-coach-jonny-davis-replace-peter-donnelly-4812080-Sep2019/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

This is actually a great appointment if true.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 17, 2019, 10:26:54 AM
Yeah canavan pulled no punches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 10:27:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 17, 2019, 09:27:35 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2019, 06:33:14 AM
https://www.the42.ie/tyone-former-ulster-rugby-sc-coach-jonny-davis-replace-peter-donnelly-4812080-Sep2019/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

This is actually a great appointment if true.

This was my thought. Very highly regarded.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 17, 2019, 10:57:20 AM
We need more good football men, not rugby men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 17, 2019, 10:57:20 AM
We need more good football men, not rugby men.

incorrect. The sport is evolving and teams need to jump on the wagon or else they'll miss the bus. Obviously to an extent. Doesnt matter what the background sport of an S&C coach is, if hes good at what he does it doesnt matter if he played gaelic or not, its about the physicality, fitness and injury prevention, his job is not to coach the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 17, 2019, 11:30:21 AM
Spot on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on September 17, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
Hence Ulster rugby took Peter Donnelly who is not from a Rugby background. Dublin had Bernard Dunne in their set up a few years ago who was a professional boxer, they also had a basketball coach. Kieran Donaghy was involved with Galway hurlers this year. Oisin McConville worked with Laois hurlers..the list goes on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 17, 2019, 11:44:18 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 17, 2019, 10:57:20 AM
We need more good football men, not rugby men.

incorrect. The sport is evolving and teams need to jump on the wagon or else they'll miss the bus. Obviously to an extent. Doesnt matter what the background sport of an S&C coach is, if hes good at what he does it doesnt matter if he played gaelic or not, its about the physicality, fitness and injury prevention, his job is not to coach the team.

No no, PD is not replaceable. He was the mastermind of all Tyrone's wins and had nothing to do with their losses. Or something along those lines.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 17, 2019, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: toby47 on September 17, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
Hence Ulster rugby took Peter Donnelly who is not from a Rugby background. Dublin had Bernard Dunne in their set up a few years ago who was a professional boxer, they also had a basketball coach. Kieran Donaghy was involved with Galway hurlers this year. Oisin McConville worked with Laois hurlers..the list goes on.

Fair enough but, if you listen to the players, it's clear that Peter Donnelly was much more than just an S&C coach. He was heavily involved in the pitch training sessions and you can see and hear him on the touchline during matches instructing players where they should be positioned defensively.

So this new guy may well be an expert S&C coach but he will not be able to replicate the other bits that Donnelly brought to the table.

For what it's worth, if options were to keep Donnelly on in a part time basis or replace him with somebody doing the job full-time, then I think we made the right call to replace him. But I would like to think we will also be adding more football-specific know-how to the management set-up. And I'd be disappointed if that means Mark Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 17, 2019, 12:04:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 17, 2019, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 17, 2019, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: toby47 on September 17, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
Hence Ulster rugby took Peter Donnelly who is not from a Rugby background. Dublin had Bernard Dunne in their set up a few years ago who was a professional boxer, they also had a basketball coach. Kieran Donaghy was involved with Galway hurlers this year. Oisin McConville worked with Laois hurlers..the list goes on.

Fair enough but, if you listen to the players, it's clear that Peter Donnelly was much more than just an S&C coach. He was heavily involved in the pitch training sessions and you can see and hear him on the touchline during matches instructing players where they should be positioned defensively.

So this new guy may well be an expert S&C coach but he will not be able to replicate the other bits that Donnelly brought to the table.

For what it's worth, if options were to keep Donnelly on in a part time basis or replace him with somebody doing the job full-time, then I think we made the right call to replace him. But I would like to think we will also be adding more football-specific know-how to the management set-up. And I'd be disappointed if that means Mark Harte.

Few name mentioned, but i will not mention them on this. Was clear Tyrone (not the players) wanted him out, or didnt see him as significant or important as he is hence why he was let go

One very surprising name, hes only 27 like.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 20, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
Will we ever see Conor McKenna back playing Championship football for Tyrone?

I fully believe if he stuck around we would have been in a few more All Ireland finals in the past number of years and possibly have won one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 20, 2019, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 20, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
Will we ever see Conor McKenna back playing Championship football for Tyrone.

I fully believe if he stiluck around we would have been in a few more All Ireland finals in the past number of years and possibly have won one.

Can't see it. It will only happen if he falls out of favour at Essedon and can't get another club, which is a long way off at the moment as he seems to be playing well.

As much as I would love to see it, he would need his head checked to give up a professional lifestyle to come home and live in Eglish
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 23, 2019, 08:09:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 20, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
Will we ever see Conor McKenna back playing Championship football for Tyrone?

I fully believe if he stuck around we would have been in a few more All Ireland finals in the past number of years and possibly have won one.
2nd person knowledge here but I heard he was chatting at a school prize giving or something like it and mentioned he sees himself back from Australia when the current contract is up   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 23, 2019, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 22, 2019, 11:44:24 PM
At least we have some clarity from the weekend, Errigal pay several officals. Its ot the worst of it,  ill not even get started abour loughmacrory. Grimes in for a tyrone call up surely.
Jordan barton wouldnt make a division 3 reserve team by the sounds of things
Grimes could face the the Harte tradition like many before him (hampsey and the likes) where he hasn't got a clean rap sheet in club and therefore Harte doesn't want him.. But in reality its what Tyrone need because they are currently soft boys
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on September 23, 2019, 08:40:01 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 20, 2019, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 20, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
Will we ever see Conor McKenna back playing Championship football for Tyrone.

I fully believe if he stiluck around we would have been in a few more All Ireland finals in the past number of years and possibly have won one.

Can't see it. It will only happen if he falls out of favour at Essedon and can't get another club, which is a long way off at the moment as he seems to be playing well.

As much as I would love to see it, he would need his head checked to give up a professional lifestyle to come home and live in Eglish

Cant see it either. Hes playing really well over there and the media love him. He has a bit of an x Factor as far as they are concerned. Well worth checking out a clip of his solo dummy this year and the Aussie media reaction to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on September 23, 2019, 09:02:52 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 20, 2019, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 20, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
Will we ever see Conor McKenna back playing Championship football for Tyrone.

I fully believe if he stiluck around we would have been in a few more All Ireland finals in the past number of years and possibly have won one.

Can't see it. It will only happen if he falls out of favour at Essedon and can't get another club, which is a long way off at the moment as he seems to be playing well.

As much as I would love to see it, he would need his head checked to give up a professional lifestyle to come home and live in Eglish

Fixed that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on September 23, 2019, 09:28:22 PM
Former Antrim star and highly regarded coach Kevin Madden is to join Tyrone's backroom team.

Confirming Madden's arrival on the Tyrone scene, manager Mickey Harte said: "He's joining our backroom team for the 2020 season and we're all very pleased to have him.

"He's a broad-based coach, he coaches the entirety of the game, and he has managed clubs himself.

"He knows what the game is all about, and what he writes endorses that view, and we're delighted to have him."

Madden has been in high demand as a coach at club and county level in recent seasons.

He spent two years as assistant to Derry boss Damian Cassidy, and at club level, worked with former Antrim boss Liam Bradley at Glenullin, winning a Derry SFC title in 2007.

He has also coached Dungiven in Derry, and managed Creggan to last year's Antrim SFC final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on September 23, 2019, 09:37:52 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 23, 2019, 09:28:22 PM
Former Antrim star and highly regarded coach Kevin Madden is to join Tyrone's backroom team.

Confirming Madden's arrival on the Tyrone scene, manager Mickey Harte said: "He's joining our backroom team for the 2020 season and we're all very pleased to have him.

"He's a broad-based coach, he coaches the entirety of the game, and he has managed clubs himself.

"He knows what the game is all about, and what he writes endorses that view, and we're delighted to have him.".

Madden has been in high demand as a coach at club and county level in recent seasons.

He spent two years as assistant to Derry boss Damian Cassidy, and at club level, worked with former Antrim boss Liam Bradley at Glenullin, winning a Derry SFC title in 2007.

He has also coached Dungiven in Derry, and managed Creggan to last year's Antrim SFC final.

Given the amount of high quality and highly regarded coaches within Tyrone I am shocked at that appointment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 23, 2019, 09:47:06 PM
An outside coach. There goes the last pretence of an amateur set up doing it for the love of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 23, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
It's a very strange move, maybe I'm forgetting something but have we had outside men involved under Harte before?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on September 23, 2019, 09:52:57 PM
Is he any good though? Any reports?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 23, 2019, 09:57:23 PM
Top Irish News column on a monday after games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 23, 2019, 10:30:57 PM
Not surprised we have 2 outside men appointed, very few in Tyrone want anything to do with harte at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 24, 2019, 06:57:46 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 23, 2019, 09:47:06 PM
An outside coach. There goes the last pretence of an amateur set up doing it for the love of the game.

LOL, do you think that Peter Donnelly was doing it for free?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:17:14 AM
MH sold his soul, first ever outside man in Tyrone senior.
Slippy slope now.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 24, 2019, 08:21:32 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for
well he has already said yes to harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

He most certainly is a YES man, that is why he got the job!!!!

The reason why Peter Donnelly and Stevie O'Neill were let go was down to the fact they were NOT yes men and didn't conform to the MH regulations....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:32:48 AM
Not sure how well you know Madden or how many other set ups you have been close to when he was involved?

He certainly isnt a 'yes' man

Edit - you say Donnelly was let go because he isnt a yes man. If he had got the coin he asked for do you think he would be away from the set up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

He most certainly is a YES man, that is why he got the job!!!!

The reason why Peter Donnelly and Stevie O'Neill were let go was down to the fact they were NOT yes men and didn't conform to the MH regulations....

You sure thats the reason PD left mate?  You do know he is now working for Ulster Rugby right?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 24, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 24, 2019, 06:57:46 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 23, 2019, 09:47:06 PM
An outside coach. There goes the last pretence of an amateur set up doing it for the love of the game.

LOL, do you think that Peter Donnelly was doing it for free?
Whilst full time strength and conditioning was a full time post there was always the fig leaf that there were other members of the backroom team. Doing it for expenses and the love of the game (or the love of being in the middle of it all).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on September 24, 2019, 09:01:53 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

He most certainly is a YES man, that is why he got the job!!!!

The reason why Peter Donnelly and Stevie O'Neill were let go was down to the fact they were NOT yes men and didn't conform to the MH regulations....

You sure thats the reason PD left mate?  You do know he is now working for Ulster Rugby right?
He left for more money, would he have been aYes man if he had stayed for more money?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrdub on September 24, 2019, 09:03:32 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

Sorry, as someone who goes to Antrim club matches, I don't agree with you. He hasn't done anything of note at club level in Antrim. Yes he got Creggan to SF final last year, but he hadn't a clue that day, Creggan got beat 5 points to 4 ffs, and this year got hammered by Lamh Dhearg in the QF.  however, i do think he'll fit in with the total defensive football Tyrone are playing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

He most certainly is a YES man, that is why he got the job!!!!

The reason why Peter Donnelly and Stevie O'Neill were let go was down to the fact they were NOT yes men and didn't conform to the MH regulations....

You sure thats the reason PD left mate?  You do know he is now working for Ulster Rugby right?

If PD was a yes man he would have stayed. He was let go. How come we couldn't accommodate him the way Banty and Monaghan have. MH wouldn't let him do both. He expected PD to bow down and stay with Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 24, 2019, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

He most certainly is a YES man, that is why he got the job!!!!

The reason why Peter Donnelly and Stevie O'Neill were let go was down to the fact they were NOT yes men and didn't conform to the MH regulations....

You sure thats the reason PD left mate?  You do know he is now working for Ulster Rugby right?

If PD was a yes man he would have stayed. He was let go. How come we couldn't accommodate him the way Banty and Monaghan have. MH wouldn't let him do both. He expected PD to bow down and stay with Tyrone.

Donnelly offered to do some part time sessions with Tyrone in-between his work with Ulster Rugby and Monaghan.

How would that even have worked? What if Monaghan were then scheduled to face Tyrone in the Ulster Final or AI SF? It would have produced a lot of conflicts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2019, 10:18:15 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 24, 2019, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 24, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

He most certainly is a YES man, that is why he got the job!!!!

The reason why Peter Donnelly and Stevie O'Neill were let go was down to the fact they were NOT yes men and didn't conform to the MH regulations....

You sure thats the reason PD left mate?  You do know he is now working for Ulster Rugby right?

If PD was a yes man he would have stayed. He was let go. How come we couldn't accommodate him the way Banty and Monaghan have. MH wouldn't let him do both. He expected PD to bow down and stay with Tyrone.

Donnelly offered to do some part time sessions with Tyrone in-between his work with Ulster Rugby and Monaghan.

How would that even have worked? What if Monaghan were then scheduled to face Tyrone in the Ulster Final or AI SF? It would have produced a lot of conflicts.

Are you serious? He wasn't proposing to work with Tyrone and Monaghan. He went to Monaghan after Tyrone rebuffed his offer to work on a part time basis alongside his role at Ulster
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 24, 2019, 10:31:46 AM
Exactly, Peter donnelly wouldn't be anywhere near Monaghan if he'd been allowed stay with Tyrone. The whole thing is rotten
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 24, 2019, 10:35:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 24, 2019, 10:31:46 AM
Exactly, Peter donnelly wouldn't be anywhere near Monaghan if he'd been allowed stay with Tyrone. The whole thing is rotten

Maybe refrain from commenting on a public forum if you don't know any of the details whatsoever.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 24, 2019, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 24, 2019, 10:31:46 AM
Exactly, Peter donnelly wouldn't be anywhere near Monaghan if he'd been allowed stay with Tyrone. The whole thing is rotten

I totally agree with this, shambolic at what's happening!!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on September 24, 2019, 11:09:52 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 24, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
Madden knows his stuff and can certainly bring something to the set up.

He isnt a yes man which is what we have been crying out for

Will he even be asked to give his opinion? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on September 24, 2019, 12:55:05 PM
So MH says Madden will not be a specific forwards coach.

Will be curious to see what his remit is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 24, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:17:14 AM
MH sold his soul, first ever outside man in Tyrone senior.
Slippy slope now.

He's not even the first outside man appointed in the last week. Peter Donnelly was replaced by Jonny Davis.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 24, 2019, 01:05:33 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 24, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:17:14 AM
MH sold his soul, first ever outside man in Tyrone senior.
Slippy slope now.

He's not even the first outside man appointed in the last week. Peter Donnelly was replaced by Jonny Davis.
malachy o rourke will be the next.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on September 25, 2019, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 24, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 24, 2019, 08:17:14 AM
MH sold his soul, first ever outside man in Tyrone senior.
Slippy slope now.

He's not even the first outside man appointed in the last week. Peter Donnelly was replaced by Jonny Davis.

The reality is the next tyrone manager will be a outside man so get used to it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 26, 2019, 08:39:40 AM
Can't see it myself. It will be the All Ireland winning under 21 team I would imagine.

Or Mark
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PeterEli on September 26, 2019, 10:11:56 AM
Does anyone know has Jonny Davis been ratified yet? If so, will he be working exclusively along with senior squad or in a role that involves working with academy/minors/u20s?

With regards to Madden, was there other candidates? Was he approached or any idea where the link is? I cant phantom why or how Mickey Harte could brain storm and think, yes this is him this is the guy I want.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 26, 2019, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PeterEli on September 26, 2019, 10:11:56 AM
Does anyone know has Jonny Davis been ratified yet? If so, will he be working exclusively along with senior squad or in a role that involves working with academy/minors/u20s?

With regards to Madden, was there other candidates? Was he approached or any idea where the link is? I cant phantom why or how Mickey Harte could brain storm and think, yes this is him this is the guy I want.

Would imagine he will have the exact same remit as Donnelly and will be involved with all underage squads too.

Be interesting to see how long he lasts, I'd imagine the hours involved in GAA are much more anti social than a professional set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 10:37:21 AM
Next management team, m o rourke, Peter canavan, Peter donnelly, and maybe Mc menimen or paddy tally.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 26, 2019, 10:38:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 10:37:21 AM
Next management team, m o rourke, Peter canavan, Peter donnelly, and maybe Mc menimen or paddy tally.

LOL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 11:04:53 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 26, 2019, 10:38:25 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 10:37:21 AM
Next management team, m o rourke, Peter canavan, Peter donnelly, and maybe Mc menimen or paddy tally.

LOL
forgot to add Mc gleeman. Half a dozen top men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 26, 2019, 12:00:55 PM
Damian o Hagan, Fergal Logan, Brian Dooher ,John Lynch now that would be some team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 26, 2019, 05:14:36 PM
Gavin Devlin banned for 24 weeks for an incident in a Tyrone under 15 game.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on September 26, 2019, 06:05:25 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 26, 2019, 05:14:36 PM
Gavin Devlin banned for 24 weeks for an incident in a Tyrone under 15 game.

And this is the clown in charge of youth development in tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 06:30:18 PM
Just when you think Tyrone can't get further into the gutter, up steps Gavin devlin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ctrallying on September 26, 2019, 06:38:32 PM
Does Anyone know exactly what he done, details very sketchy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 26, 2019, 06:49:07 PM
Bit of over exuberance id say Gavin very passionate man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on September 26, 2019, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on September 26, 2019, 06:38:32 PM
Does Anyone know exactly what he done, details very sketchy.

By the tone of his post STG seems to know....unless of course he's spouting shite on another subject he knows little or nothing about?  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 26, 2019, 07:11:31 PM
I've good time for Devlin, think our team are a bit soft and green at the minute. Could do with a little more dirt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 26, 2019, 07:29:50 PM
I was at that particular game and I have to say that this charge is an absolute disgrace!

The U15's were playing Down in the Semi Final and the Referee (a Derry man) let the Down players kick, punch and harass the Tyrone players the entire game. He did nothing to try and cut it out.

Parents, Management and supporters (including Horse) were pleading and shouting at the Referee asking him to do something and take control of the game. Out of about 80-100 supporters standing beside the pitch in Garvaghey, the Referee singled out Horse and decided to send him off (even though he was outside the perimeter of the pitch??).

As far as I'm concerned that Referee should never be let near a football pitch again. Horse wasn't over the top and certainly no more so than all the other people standing around him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 09:06:27 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 26, 2019, 07:29:50 PM
I was at that particular game and I have to say that this charge is an absolute disgrace!

The U15's were playing Down in the Semi Final and the Referee (a Derry man) let the Down players kick, punch and harass the Tyrone players the entire game. He did nothing to try and cut it out.

Parents, Management and supporters (including Horse) were pleading and shouting at the Referee asking him to do something and take control of the game. Out of about 80-100 supporters standing beside the pitch in Garvaghey, the Referee singled out Horse and decided to send him off (even though he was outside the perimeter of the pitch??).

As far as I'm concerned that Referee should never be let near a football pitch again. Horse wasn't over the top and certainly no more so than all the other people standing around him.
so horse's big mouth got him in bother. Surprise surprise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 26, 2019, 09:17:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 09:06:27 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 26, 2019, 07:29:50 PM
I was at that particular game and I have to say that this charge is an absolute disgrace!

The U15's were playing Down in the Semi Final and the Referee (a Derry man) let the Down players kick, punch and harass the Tyrone players the entire game. He did nothing to try and cut it out.

Parents, Management and supporters (including Horse) were pleading and shouting at the Referee asking him to do something and take control of the game. Out of about 80-100 supporters standing beside the pitch in Garvaghey, the Referee singled out Horse and decided to send him off (even though he was outside the perimeter of the pitch??).

As far as I'm concerned that Referee should never be let near a football pitch again. Horse wasn't over the top and certainly no more so than all the other people standing around him.
so horse's big mouth got him in bother. Surprise surprise.

That's not what I said. He wasn't being particularly loud compared to everyone else around him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
Doesn't say much for the people round him then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: chieftain on September 27, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
Doesn't say much for the people round him then.

Certainly wouldnt have been you around him at the game anyway, been a long time since u stepped at a club game never mind a county game. Like to see you if one of your children or a team you were coaching was getting the treatment those cubs got on the pitch that day. Here's a thought for you, why don't you go inject as much time into augher youth as you do keyboard warrioring on here, launching personal shite at anyone currently to do with tyrone setup. Its not perfect, but id sure as hell rather those men in my corner than someone like you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 27, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: chieftain on September 27, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
Doesn't say much for the people round him then.

Certainly wouldnt have been you around him at the game anyway, been a long time since u stepped at a club game never mind a county game. Like to see you if one of your children or a team you were coaching was getting the treatment those cubs got on the pitch that day. Here's a thought for you, why don't you go inject as much time into augher youth as you do keyboard warrioring on here, launching personal shite at anyone currently to do with tyrone setup. Its not perfect, but id sure as hell rather those men in my corner than someone like you

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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on September 27, 2019, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: chieftain on September 27, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
Doesn't say much for the people round him then.

Certainly wouldnt have been you around him at the game anyway, been a long time since u stepped at a club game never mind a county game. Like to see you if one of your children or a team you were coaching was getting the treatment those cubs got on the pitch that day. Here's a thought for you, why don't you go inject as much time into augher youth as you do keyboard warrioring on here, launching personal shite at anyone currently to do with tyrone setup. Its not perfect, but id sure as hell rather those men in my corner than someone like you

Amen. If the mods were doing their job right he should he been f**ked out of here for his comments regarding Michaela's charity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on September 27, 2019, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 26, 2019, 07:29:50 PM
I was at that particular game and I have to say that this charge is an absolute disgrace!

The U15's were playing Down in the Semi Final and the Referee (a Derry man) let the Down players kick, punch and harass the Tyrone players the entire game. He did nothing to try and cut it out.

Parents, Management and supporters (including Horse) were pleading and shouting at the Referee asking him to do something and take control of the game. Out of about 80-100 supporters standing beside the pitch in Garvaghey, the Referee singled out Horse and decided to send him off (even though he was outside the perimeter of the pitch??).

As far as I'm concerned that Referee should never be let near a football pitch again. Horse wasn't over the top and certainly no more so than all the other people standing around him.

Glen man I was at the same game and this was definitely not what unfolded. Tyrone were a disgrace led by that inept idiot roaring expletives from the sideline
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 27, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on September 27, 2019, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 26, 2019, 07:29:50 PM
I was at that particular game and I have to say that this charge is an absolute disgrace!

The U15's were playing Down in the Semi Final and the Referee (a Derry man) let the Down players kick, punch and harass the Tyrone players the entire game. He did nothing to try and cut it out.

Parents, Management and supporters (including Horse) were pleading and shouting at the Referee asking him to do something and take control of the game. Out of about 80-100 supporters standing beside the pitch in Garvaghey, the Referee singled out Horse and decided to send him off (even though he was outside the perimeter of the pitch??).

As far as I'm concerned that Referee should never be let near a football pitch again. Horse wasn't over the top and certainly no more so than all the other people standing around him.

Glen man I was at the same game and this was definitely not what unfolded. Tyrone were a disgrace led by that inept idiot roaring expletives from the sideline

Clearly you weren't at the game if that's what you've taken from it. You're simply wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 27, 2019, 01:52:22 PM
The usual assholes on here trying to defend every misdemeanor in the Tyrone camp. Ref getting blamed again this time I see. Pathetic. And btw chieftain I wouldn't be letting my children anywhere near a Gavin Devlin team, last thing I want is them coming home roaring and shouting expletives.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bendyerback on September 27, 2019, 02:19:12 PM
Horse is a hero around East Tyrone. Apparently he's a committed club man if it means keeping other men out.
I heard he's switching on the Christmas tree lights in Bellaghy this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 27, 2019, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 27, 2019, 01:52:22 PM
The usual assholes on here trying to defend every misdemeanor in the Tyrone camp. Ref getting blamed again this time I see. Pathetic. And btw chieftain I wouldn't be letting my children anywhere near a Gavin Devlin team, last thing I want is them coming home roaring and shouting expletives.

Like you, I wasn't at the game. So I am neither condemning nor defending him.

But unlike you, I'm not going to post anonymous abusive comments online about someone, based on an alleged incident that neither of us seen/heard/know the first thing about.

I also wouldn't be allowing my children anywhere near a keyboard if their intention was to anonymously post abusive comments about named GAA people. Each to their own though, I suppose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 27, 2019, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 27, 2019, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 27, 2019, 01:52:22 PM
The usual assholes on here trying to defend every misdemeanor in the Tyrone camp. Ref getting blamed again this time I see. Pathetic. And btw chieftain I wouldn't be letting my children anywhere near a Gavin Devlin team, last thing I want is them coming home roaring and shouting expletives.

Like you, I wasn't at the game. So I am neither condemning nor defending him.

But unlike you, I'm not going to post anonymous abusive comments online about someone, based on an alleged incident that neither of us seen/heard/know the first thing about.

I also wouldn't be allowing my children anywhere near a keyboard if their intention was to anonymously post abusive comments about named GAA people. Each to their own though, I suppose.
alleged? He got a 24 week ban for allegedly doing something?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 27, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: chieftain on September 27, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 26, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
Doesn't say much for the people round him then.

Certainly wouldnt have been you around him at the game anyway, been a long time since u stepped at a club game never mind a county game. Like to see you if one of your children or a team you were coaching was getting the treatment those cubs got on the pitch that day. Here's a thought for you, why don't you go inject as much time into augher youth as you do keyboard warrioring on here, launching personal shite at anyone currently to do with tyrone setup. Its not perfect, but id sure as hell rather those men in my corner than someone like you

Please do not encourage him to get involved with Augher Youth. If he can be limited to mouthing off on a internet website then it's a success. The last thing you'd want is him actually getting involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 27, 2019, 04:04:23 PM
There's more chance of me gettin involved with Hitler youth than augher youth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 27, 2019, 04:15:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 27, 2019, 04:04:23 PM
There's more chance of me gettin involved with Hitler youth than augher youth.

The Hitler Youth will have decent defence and organisation in fairness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyronerebel on September 30, 2019, 04:25:49 PM
so going by the championship so far who do we think is worthy of a call up to the county setup? i would presume it will be run on a trial based the same as last year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 30, 2019, 04:37:07 PM
Quote from: tyronerebel on September 30, 2019, 04:25:49 PM
so going by the championship so far who do we think is worthy of a call up to the county setup? i would presume it will be run on a trial based the same as last year?
Conn Kilpatrick - Edendork
Niall Kelly - Errigal Ciaran
Daniel Kerr - Galbally
Conor Quinn - Galbally
Conall Grimes - Loughmacrory
Tiernan Quinn and Darragh Canavan also be worth a call up but would be a shame if they didn't get their final year of Under 20s.
Lee Brennan's exhibition of free taking in the championship should be worthy of giving him more time with Tyrone. Mark Bradley also be a welcome returnee. Both would be excellent of McShane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyronerebel on September 30, 2019, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on September 30, 2019, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: tyronerebel on September 30, 2019, 04:25:49 PM
so going by the championship so far who do we think is worthy of a call up to the county setup? i would presume it will be run on a trial based the same as last year?

Canavan?
Conn Kilpatrick?
Marty Penrose?

can noone have a sensible discussion without you interupting with a stupid comment
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 30, 2019, 04:54:57 PM
Would also give Daire Gallagher a go. He's been very impressive for Trillick so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 30, 2019, 05:16:26 PM
Michael O'Neill of Ardboe definitely worth a call up.

Donaghy from Edendork too.

How is McNulty going for Dungannon? I'd have him back in the squad if he's fit and going well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 30, 2019, 05:29:29 PM
You could do worse than throw Danny McNulty a trial and see. He gave Trillick some fright in that first half. It's always been there, it's just getting it out of him, maybe another year older....another year wiser?

Agree with Michael O'Neill.

What age is Tiarnan Murray of Carrickmore?



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 30, 2019, 05:47:33 PM
Munroe from carrickmore impressed me yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 30, 2019, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 30, 2019, 05:47:33 PM
Munroe from carrickmore impressed me yesterday.

Any reason why he wasn't on the county U20s this year.

Felt they looked a bit lacking at the back in the Cork game and Munroe would have captained the AI winning U17 side.

I think I'd rather see the u20s finish their time out at that level before getting the senior call up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 30, 2019, 07:46:42 PM
Will be mega tempting to give young canavan More senior game time next year. Very exciting player. Not sure he needs arch conservatist harte in his life though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 30, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 30, 2019, 05:16:26 PM
Michael O'Neill of Ardboe definitely worth a call up.

Donaghy from Edendork too.

How is McNulty going for Dungannon? I'd have him back in the squad if he's fit and going well.
Very poor against Carrickmore, non existent the first game, slightly better second day but not good either. Can't see him being county material. If you're looking that type of target man I'd agree McNulty might be worth another look.
O'Neill also very good and could be worth a look at.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 30, 2019, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 30, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 30, 2019, 05:16:26 PM
Michael O'Neill of Ardboe definitely worth a call up.

Donaghy from Edendork too.

How is McNulty going for Dungannon? I'd have him back in the squad if he's fit and going well.
Very poor against Carrickmore, non existent the first game, slightly better second day but not good either. Can't see him being county material. If you're looking that type of target man I'd agree McNulty might be worth another look.
O'Neill also very good and could be worth a look at.

I like what I've seen from Donaghy from the county underage. He's got the frame needed to play inside in the modern game and he's a heavy scorer who is very good in front of the posts. Even the games you mention against Carrickmore where he didn't stand out, he was still getting 3 or 4 points from play in them. We seem to produce small flashy inside forwards to beat the band in Tyrone but the modern game isn't meant for them.

Ryan Coleman is another guy we could look at as a target man, not sure he's really a natural forward though but just look at how McShane thrived this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 01, 2019, 11:05:16 AM
Quote from: Theshooter on October 01, 2019, 10:33:16 AM
it will be sad when the inevitable happens and countless quality players dont get a chance  especially when there are so many passengers on the current squad
::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 01, 2019, 12:46:54 PM
What's the problem with Munroe and harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 01, 2019, 01:25:42 PM
I'm assuming brother? Raymond's sons?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on October 01, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
Cormac still has another year at U20. He's Johnnys cousin I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 01, 2019, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting

Having saw Brennan in the championship I'd be more convinced than ever that he shouldn't start. I still think he could be useful of the bench. Hit a couple of cracking frees on Sunday though missed a few easier ones in the previous game. But it's from open play that his issues are. He struggles to get on the ball and is dropping deeper now to try and get it. Wasn't dangerous from open play at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 01, 2019, 03:22:51 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 01, 2019, 02:12:20 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 01, 2019, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting

Having saw Brennan in the championship I'd be more convinced than ever that he shouldn't start. I still think he could be useful of the bench. Hit a couple of cracking frees on Sunday though missed a few easier ones in the previous game. But it's from open play that his issues are. He struggles to get on the ball and is dropping deeper now to try and get it. Wasn't dangerous from open play at all.

I agree, he can sing but he cant dance - metaphorically
Meant to be a fierce guitar player to be fair..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting

Munroe couldn't make the u20 team this year so he's not a viable option in the immeadiate term.
Dan McNulty has played very little football in recent years and I'm not sure if he's motivated to play or whether his body would be able to withstand it.
Agreed on Canavan, he should see his time out with the u20s. I don't think he has the physique to be making a worthwhile impact at present.
McShane may have picked a lot off O'Neill but it's not as if he was being operated by him on remote control.
I wouldn't have Lee Brennan on a matchday 26 for Tyrone at present, I don't think he offers anything above what the likes of Bradley, McAliskey and McCurry do and at present it's a struggle to get two of them into the starting side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on October 01, 2019, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting

Munroe couldn't make the u20 team this year so he's not a viable option in the immeadiate term.
Dan McNulty has played very little football in recent years and I'm not sure if he's motivated to play or whether his body would be able to withstand it.
Agreed on Canavan, he should see his time out with the u20s. I don't think he has the physique to be making a worthwhile impact at present.
McShane may have picked a lot off O'Neill but it's not as if he was being operated by him on remote control.
I wouldn't have Lee Brennan on a matchday 26 for Tyrone at present, I don't think he offers anything above what the likes of Bradley, McAliskey and McCurry do and at present it's a struggle to get two of them into the starting side.

Tyrone need to be playing 2 forwards upfront next year. I would have mcshane and bradley as they each offer something different. Lee would be a good option of the bench. If he is constant with frees he worth starting as Tyrone have lacked a reliable free taker for years. Still not convinced with mc curry but I appreciate its difficult to impress if you are getting limited game time. Think it was against Cork that he started to impress
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on October 01, 2019, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting


Munroe couldn't make the u20 team this year so he's not a viable option in the immeadiate term.
Dan McNulty has played very little football in recent years and I'm not sure if he's motivated to play or whether his body would be able to withstand it.
Agreed on Canavan, he should see his time out with the u20s. I don't think he has the physique to be making a worthwhile impact at present.
McShane may have picked a lot off O'Neill but it's not as if he was being operated by him on remote control.
I wouldn't have Lee Brennan on a matchday 26 for Tyrone at present, I don't think he offers anything above what the likes of Bradley, McAliskey and McCurry do and at present it's a struggle to get two of them into the starting side.

Tyrone need to be playing 2 forwards upfront next year. I would have mcshane and bradley as they each offer something different. Lee would be a good option of the bench. If he is constant with frees he worth starting as Tyrone have lacked a reliable free taker for years. Still not convinced with mc curry but I appreciate its difficult to impress if you are getting limited game time. Think it was against Cork that he started to impress

McCurry had a couple of very good games against Cavan and Kildare in the qualifiers but I thought he was quite poor against Roscommon and Cork. I really like McCurry as a footballer, he has a lovely style about him and is a smashing player, he gets his shots off very quickly and when he has the bit between his teeth he can do serious damage. The problem is he is very much a confidence player and when things aren't going well he hides and the past 4 or so seasons from him have been far more miss than hit. I hope he can get some consistent form and make himself undroppable because Mickey Harte definitely rates him.

McAliskey and Bradley have a little bit of that inconsistency about them too but not to the same degree as McCurry. Apart from his size what goes against Bradley is that he can be a little wasteful in front of the posts but he's an extremely honest player and will work his socks off and never stop looking for the ball even when things aren't going well for him. Skeet is the most powerful of the 3 and like McCurry is a real confidence player, when things are going well he is lethal but a few misses can damage his confidence. I wouldn't accuse him of hiding like McCurry can though.

Brennan for me just seems too lazy, he doesn't put in the same work rate on and off the ball that the other three do. He's great talent but a lot of things he does are far too indulgent. In the semi final he started against Monaghan in 2018 he kicked some amount of stupid shots away when they weren't on and there were far better options on.

I agree we need to be playing someone inside with McShane, personally I think the best option is Donnelly up there with Harte and Bradley operating a little bit behind them. I think we need to make more of an effort to keep more players pushed up this year and take a little bit of the pressure off McShane.

We need a few more players to step up to the mantle this year, McShane did last year and for that reason I am a little more optiimistic about our chances next year in contrast to this time last year.

Our biggest issue for me is no 6, we have been moving a little more away from a sweeper in the past two seasons and you look at some of the soft goals we've coughed up when teams run through the middle of us, the two goals against Cork, the one Derry got against us, O'Brien's goal, the goal Kildare got, Brennan's goal for Donegal. All carbon copies of each other. Hampsey is probably our best option there but when we play the big teams we will likely need to get him to do a marking job. Guys like Burns and McKernan consistently get suckered  into the ball and are oblivious to what danger in behind. We've tried a few there in recent years - Burns, Brennan, McGeary, Sludden, McDonnell, Hampsey. I think Brennan has proven with his form that he is great asset to us at corner back, Hampsey will always be swapping about as he is our go to man marker. The rest of those mentioned just don't seem to have the nose for danger to stop us.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on October 02, 2019, 07:22:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on October 01, 2019, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting


Munroe couldn't make the u20 team this year so he's not a viable option in the immeadiate term.
Dan McNulty has played very little football in recent years and I'm not sure if he's motivated to play or whether his body would be able to withstand it.
Agreed on Canavan, he should see his time out with the u20s. I don't think he has the physique to be making a worthwhile impact at present.
McShane may have picked a lot off O'Neill but it's not as if he was being operated by him on remote control.
I wouldn't have Lee Brennan on a matchday 26 for Tyrone at present, I don't think he offers anything above what the likes of Bradley, McAliskey and McCurry do and at present it's a struggle to get two of them into the starting side.

Tyrone need to be playing 2 forwards upfront next year. I would have mcshane and bradley as they each offer something different. Lee would be a good option of the bench. If he is constant with frees he worth starting as Tyrone have lacked a reliable free taker for years. Still not convinced with mc curry but I appreciate its difficult to impress if you are getting limited game time. Think it was against Cork that he started to impress

McCurry had a couple of very good games against Cavan and Kildare in the qualifiers but I thought he was quite poor against Roscommon and Cork. I really like McCurry as a footballer, he has a lovely style about him and is a smashing player, he gets his shots off very quickly and when he has the bit between his teeth he can do serious damage. The problem is he is very much a confidence player and when things aren't going well he hides and the past 4 or so seasons from him have been far more miss than hit. I hope he can get some consistent form and make himself undroppable because Mickey Harte definitely rates him.

McAliskey and Bradley have a little bit of that inconsistency about them too but not to the same degree as McCurry. Apart from his size what goes against Bradley is that he can be a little wasteful in front of the posts but he's an extremely honest player and will work his socks off and never stop looking for the ball even when things aren't going well for him. Skeet is the most powerful of the 3 and like McCurry is a real confidence player, when things are going well he is lethal but a few misses can damage his confidence. I wouldn't accuse him of hiding like McCurry can though.

Brennan for me just seems too lazy, he doesn't put in the same work rate on and off the ball that the other three do. He's great talent but a lot of things he does are far too indulgent. In the semi final he started against Monaghan in 2018 he kicked some amount of stupid shots away when they weren't on and there were far better options on.

I agree we need to be playing someone inside with McShane, personally I think the best option is Donnelly up there with Harte and Bradley operating a little bit behind them. I think we need to make more of an effort to keep more players pushed up this year and take a little bit of the pressure off McShane.

We need a few more players to step up to the mantle this year, McShane did last year and for that reason I am a little more optiimistic about our chances next year in contrast to this time last year.

Our biggest issue for me is no 6, we have been moving a little more away from a sweeper in the past two seasons and you look at some of the soft goals we've coughed up when teams run through the middle of us, the two goals against Cork, the one Derry got against us, O'Brien's goal, the goal Kildare got, Brennan's goal for Donegal. All carbon copies of each other. Hampsey is probably our best option there but when we play the big teams we will likely need to get him to do a marking job. Guys like Burns and McKernan consistently get suckered  into the ball and are oblivious to what danger in behind. We've tried a few there in recent years - Burns, Brennan, McGeary, Sludden, McDonnell, Hampsey. I think Brennan has proven with his form that he is great asset to us at corner back, Hampsey will always be swapping about as he is our go to man marker. The rest of those mentioned just don't seem to have the nose for danger to stop us.

Imo a complete clear out in that panel is needed going by recent club championship games certain lads deserve a chance and are every bit as good as lads on that squad.
Time for conal mc cann, brendan burns, mc hugh, mc donnell,  mc Laughlin, maybe even tiarnan mc cann awful season at club and county to go and freshen up again at club level.

Give Ryan Gray, niall kelly, Kilpatrick from pomeroy, dan mc nulty, conor quinn galbally. Also get bradley back in their.

Leave canavan and Grimes with 20s until their championship is over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 02, 2019, 07:47:15 AM
Quote from: Moonshine on October 02, 2019, 07:22:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on October 01, 2019, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting


Munroe couldn't make the u20 team this year so he's not a viable option in the immeadiate term.
Dan McNulty has played very little football in recent years and I'm not sure if he's motivated to play or whether his body would be able to withstand it.
Agreed on Canavan, he should see his time out with the u20s. I don't think he has the physique to be making a worthwhile impact at present.
McShane may have picked a lot off O'Neill but it's not as if he was being operated by him on remote control.
I wouldn't have Lee Brennan on a matchday 26 for Tyrone at present, I don't think he offers anything above what the likes of Bradley, McAliskey and McCurry do and at present it's a struggle to get two of them into the starting side.

Tyrone need to be playing 2 forwards upfront next year. I would have mcshane and bradley as they each offer something different. Lee would be a good option of the bench. If he is constant with frees he worth starting as Tyrone have lacked a reliable free taker for years. Still not convinced with mc curry but I appreciate its difficult to impress if you are getting limited game time. Think it was against Cork that he started to impress

McCurry had a couple of very good games against Cavan and Kildare in the qualifiers but I thought he was quite poor against Roscommon and Cork. I really like McCurry as a footballer, he has a lovely style about him and is a smashing player, he gets his shots off very quickly and when he has the bit between his teeth he can do serious damage. The problem is he is very much a confidence player and when things aren't going well he hides and the past 4 or so seasons from him have been far more miss than hit. I hope he can get some consistent form and make himself undroppable because Mickey Harte definitely rates him.

McAliskey and Bradley have a little bit of that inconsistency about them too but not to the same degree as McCurry. Apart from his size what goes against Bradley is that he can be a little wasteful in front of the posts but he's an extremely honest player and will work his socks off and never stop looking for the ball even when things aren't going well for him. Skeet is the most powerful of the 3 and like McCurry is a real confidence player, when things are going well he is lethal but a few misses can damage his confidence. I wouldn't accuse him of hiding like McCurry can though.

Brennan for me just seems too lazy, he doesn't put in the same work rate on and off the ball that the other three do. He's great talent but a lot of things he does are far too indulgent. In the semi final he started against Monaghan in 2018 he kicked some amount of stupid shots away when they weren't on and there were far better options on.

I agree we need to be playing someone inside with McShane, personally I think the best option is Donnelly up there with Harte and Bradley operating a little bit behind them. I think we need to make more of an effort to keep more players pushed up this year and take a little bit of the pressure off McShane.

We need a few more players to step up to the mantle this year, McShane did last year and for that reason I am a little more optiimistic about our chances next year in contrast to this time last year.

Our biggest issue for me is no 6, we have been moving a little more away from a sweeper in the past two seasons and you look at some of the soft goals we've coughed up when teams run through the middle of us, the two goals against Cork, the one Derry got against us, O'Brien's goal, the goal Kildare got, Brennan's goal for Donegal. All carbon copies of each other. Hampsey is probably our best option there but when we play the big teams we will likely need to get him to do a marking job. Guys like Burns and McKernan consistently get suckered  into the ball and are oblivious to what danger in behind. We've tried a few there in recent years - Burns, Brennan, McGeary, Sludden, McDonnell, Hampsey. I think Brennan has proven with his form that he is great asset to us at corner back, Hampsey will always be swapping about as he is our go to man marker. The rest of those mentioned just don't seem to have the nose for danger to stop us.

Imo a complete clear out in that panel is needed going by recent club championship games certain lads deserve a chance and are every bit as good as lads on that squad.
Time for conal mc cann, brendan burns, mc hugh, mc donnell,  mc Laughlin, maybe even tiarnan mc cann awful season at club and county to go and freshen up again at club level.

Give Ryan Gray, niall kelly, Kilpatrick from pomeroy, dan mc nulty, conor quinn galbally. Also get bradley back in their.

Leave canavan and Grimes with 20s until their championship is over.

I'd agree on an overhaul. I think it's a bit soon to be chasing the likes of McDonnell and McLaughlin though. The others probably aren't really going to make it at this stage. T McCann really needs to up his game to get back near a starting shirt but he had a bad year with injuries so I'd cut him some slack.

I'd be looking at cutting 6 or 7 players from the squad before the McKenna Cup starts and there'd be a few more needing to convince in that in order to stay on. I think we have a core 20 or so players right now that are safe, after that everyone is expendable and there's a lot of guys making good claims outside the panel.

Think Grimes is overage for u20s next year and looks like he is physically ready for the step up so I'd expect him to get a call during the winter months.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on October 02, 2019, 08:45:45 AM
I see on Twitter last night a club player giving off about 2 club games been changed to accommodate a Club Tyrone Fundraising event involving McShane and McNamee. Assuming by the tweet the clubs involved did not agree to this. Absolute disregard for the club player further highlighted. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 02, 2019, 09:21:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 02, 2019, 07:47:15 AM
Quote from: Moonshine on October 02, 2019, 07:22:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on October 01, 2019, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting


Munroe couldn't make the u20 team this year so he's not a viable option in the immeadiate term.
Dan McNulty has played very little football in recent years and I'm not sure if he's motivated to play or whether his body would be able to withstand it.
Agreed on Canavan, he should see his time out with the u20s. I don't think he has the physique to be making a worthwhile impact at present.
McShane may have picked a lot off O'Neill but it's not as if he was being operated by him on remote control.
I wouldn't have Lee Brennan on a matchday 26 for Tyrone at present, I don't think he offers anything above what the likes of Bradley, McAliskey and McCurry do and at present it's a struggle to get two of them into the starting side.

Tyrone need to be playing 2 forwards upfront next year. I would have mcshane and bradley as they each offer something different. Lee would be a good option of the bench. If he is constant with frees he worth starting as Tyrone have lacked a reliable free taker for years. Still not convinced with mc curry but I appreciate its difficult to impress if you are getting limited game time. Think it was against Cork that he started to impress

McCurry had a couple of very good games against Cavan and Kildare in the qualifiers but I thought he was quite poor against Roscommon and Cork. I really like McCurry as a footballer, he has a lovely style about him and is a smashing player, he gets his shots off very quickly and when he has the bit between his teeth he can do serious damage. The problem is he is very much a confidence player and when things aren't going well he hides and the past 4 or so seasons from him have been far more miss than hit. I hope he can get some consistent form and make himself undroppable because Mickey Harte definitely rates him.

McAliskey and Bradley have a little bit of that inconsistency about them too but not to the same degree as McCurry. Apart from his size what goes against Bradley is that he can be a little wasteful in front of the posts but he's an extremely honest player and will work his socks off and never stop looking for the ball even when things aren't going well for him. Skeet is the most powerful of the 3 and like McCurry is a real confidence player, when things are going well he is lethal but a few misses can damage his confidence. I wouldn't accuse him of hiding like McCurry can though.

Brennan for me just seems too lazy, he doesn't put in the same work rate on and off the ball that the other three do. He's great talent but a lot of things he does are far too indulgent. In the semi final he started against Monaghan in 2018 he kicked some amount of stupid shots away when they weren't on and there were far better options on.

I agree we need to be playing someone inside with McShane, personally I think the best option is Donnelly up there with Harte and Bradley operating a little bit behind them. I think we need to make more of an effort to keep more players pushed up this year and take a little bit of the pressure off McShane.

We need a few more players to step up to the mantle this year, McShane did last year and for that reason I am a little more optiimistic about our chances next year in contrast to this time last year.

Our biggest issue for me is no 6, we have been moving a little more away from a sweeper in the past two seasons and you look at some of the soft goals we've coughed up when teams run through the middle of us, the two goals against Cork, the one Derry got against us, O'Brien's goal, the goal Kildare got, Brennan's goal for Donegal. All carbon copies of each other. Hampsey is probably our best option there but when we play the big teams we will likely need to get him to do a marking job. Guys like Burns and McKernan consistently get suckered  into the ball and are oblivious to what danger in behind. We've tried a few there in recent years - Burns, Brennan, McGeary, Sludden, McDonnell, Hampsey. I think Brennan has proven with his form that he is great asset to us at corner back, Hampsey will always be swapping about as he is our go to man marker. The rest of those mentioned just don't seem to have the nose for danger to stop us.

Imo a complete clear out in that panel is needed going by recent club championship games certain lads deserve a chance and are every bit as good as lads on that squad.
Time for conal mc cann, brendan burns, mc hugh, mc donnell,  mc Laughlin, maybe even tiarnan mc cann awful season at club and county to go and freshen up again at club level.

Give Ryan Gray, niall kelly, Kilpatrick from pomeroy, dan mc nulty, conor quinn galbally. Also get bradley back in their.

Leave canavan and Grimes with 20s until their championship is over.

I'd agree on an overhaul. I think it's a bit soon to be chasing the likes of McDonnell and McLaughlin though. The others probably aren't really going to make it at this stage. T McCann really needs to up his game to get back near a starting shirt but he had a bad year with injuries so I'd cut him some slack.

I'd be looking at cutting 6 or 7 players from the squad before the McKenna Cup starts and there'd be a few more needing to convince in that in order to stay on. I think we have a core 20 or so players right now that are safe, after that everyone is expendable and there's a lot of guys making good claims outside the panel.

Think Grimes is overage for u20s next year and looks like he is physically ready for the step up so I'd expect him to get a call during the winter months.

The reality is that you are changing squad layers for what will most likely be other squad players. No problem with giving they guys a chance but I have my doubts that anyone mentioned would make an impact on the starting 15. It's swapping like for like imo. I don't think there's anyone that would, stand out, improve the first 15 unfortunately. I agree maybe a change of some of the older squad players for newer options should be looked at to give them the chance to develop into better players but the reality is that we would be looking for a step up in some of the first 15-18 players from this year to impact the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on October 02, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on October 02, 2019, 08:45:45 AM
I see on Twitter last night a club player giving off about 2 club games been changed to accommodate a Club Tyrone Fundraising event involving McShane and McNamee. Assuming by the tweet the clubs involved did not agree to this. Absolute disregard for the club player further highlighted.

Exact same situation as last year, County board had to change all div 1 games because McGeary and Burns were at a Club Tyrone event in New York.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 02, 2019, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: redhandofgod on October 02, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on October 02, 2019, 08:45:45 AM
I see on Twitter last night a club player giving off about 2 club games been changed to accommodate a Club Tyrone Fundraising event involving McShane and McNamee. Assuming by the tweet the clubs involved did not agree to this. Absolute disregard for the club player further highlighted.

Exact same situation as last year, County board had to change all div 1 games because McGeary and Burns were at a Club Tyrone event in New York.

I wouldn't say had to.
'chose to'

Pretty much sums up the way clubs and club players are treated throughout the year.
3 league games left and still no idea when they will be played or when the season will be brought to a conclusion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 02, 2019, 10:54:55 AM
Not a McCurry fan by any stretch but the man proved in the Championship that when he is allowed to play up the field and not waste energy and speed defending (which he's not great at) he is a very dangerous player up front. Id have McCurry over Bradley or Brennan any day of the week if he is able to stay inside/close to the goals.. or even inside the oppositions have.

Don't understand why we don't work to our players strengths
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on October 02, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Moonshine on October 02, 2019, 07:22:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on October 01, 2019, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 01, 2019, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 01, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
A few obervations,
Munroe won't be playing under Harte
McNulty Clonoe probably wouldn't play county
Canavan is probably a year too young
McShane thrived this year because Stevie ONeill was there
Lee Brennan should be starting


Munroe couldn't make the u20 team this year so he's not a viable option in the immeadiate term.
Dan McNulty has played very little football in recent years and I'm not sure if he's motivated to play or whether his body would be able to withstand it.
Agreed on Canavan, he should see his time out with the u20s. I don't think he has the physique to be making a worthwhile impact at present.
McShane may have picked a lot off O'Neill but it's not as if he was being operated by him on remote control.
I wouldn't have Lee Brennan on a matchday 26 for Tyrone at present, I don't think he offers anything above what the likes of Bradley, McAliskey and McCurry do and at present it's a struggle to get two of them into the starting side.

Tyrone need to be playing 2 forwards upfront next year. I would have mcshane and bradley as they each offer something different. Lee would be a good option of the bench. If he is constant with frees he worth starting as Tyrone have lacked a reliable free taker for years. Still not convinced with mc curry but I appreciate its difficult to impress if you are getting limited game time. Think it was against Cork that he started to impress

McCurry had a couple of very good games against Cavan and Kildare in the qualifiers but I thought he was quite poor against Roscommon and Cork. I really like McCurry as a footballer, he has a lovely style about him and is a smashing player, he gets his shots off very quickly and when he has the bit between his teeth he can do serious damage. The problem is he is very much a confidence player and when things aren't going well he hides and the past 4 or so seasons from him have been far more miss than hit. I hope he can get some consistent form and make himself undroppable because Mickey Harte definitely rates him.

McAliskey and Bradley have a little bit of that inconsistency about them too but not to the same degree as McCurry. Apart from his size what goes against Bradley is that he can be a little wasteful in front of the posts but he's an extremely honest player and will work his socks off and never stop looking for the ball even when things aren't going well for him. Skeet is the most powerful of the 3 and like McCurry is a real confidence player, when things are going well he is lethal but a few misses can damage his confidence. I wouldn't accuse him of hiding like McCurry can though.

Brennan for me just seems too lazy, he doesn't put in the same work rate on and off the ball that the other three do. He's great talent but a lot of things he does are far too indulgent. In the semi final he started against Monaghan in 2018 he kicked some amount of stupid shots away when they weren't on and there were far better options on.

I agree we need to be playing someone inside with McShane, personally I think the best option is Donnelly up there with Harte and Bradley operating a little bit behind them. I think we need to make more of an effort to keep more players pushed up this year and take a little bit of the pressure off McShane.

We need a few more players to step up to the mantle this year, McShane did last year and for that reason I am a little more optiimistic about our chances next year in contrast to this time last year.

Our biggest issue for me is no 6, we have been moving a little more away from a sweeper in the past two seasons and you look at some of the soft goals we've coughed up when teams run through the middle of us, the two goals against Cork, the one Derry got against us, O'Brien's goal, the goal Kildare got, Brennan's goal for Donegal. All carbon copies of each other. Hampsey is probably our best option there but when we play the big teams we will likely need to get him to do a marking job. Guys like Burns and McKernan consistently get suckered  into the ball and are oblivious to what danger in behind. We've tried a few there in recent years - Burns, Brennan, McGeary, Sludden, McDonnell, Hampsey. I think Brennan has proven with his form that he is great asset to us at corner back, Hampsey will always be swapping about as he is our go to man marker. The rest of those mentioned just don't seem to have the nose for danger to stop us.

Imo a complete clear out in that panel is needed going by recent club championship games certain lads deserve a chance and are every bit as good as lads on that squad.
Time for conal mc cann, brendan burns, mc hugh, mc donnell,  mc Laughlin, maybe even tiarnan mc cann awful season at club and county to go and freshen up again at club level.

Give Ryan Gray, niall kelly, Kilpatrick from pomeroy, dan mc nulty, conor quinn galbally. Also get bradley back in their.

Leave canavan and Grimes with 20s until their championship is over.

I would agree with two of these call ups. Bradley and maybe Gray back in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on October 02, 2019, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 02, 2019, 11:09:06 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 02, 2019, 10:54:55 AM
Not a McCurry fan by any stretch but the man proved in the Championship that when he is allowed to play up the field and not waste energy and speed defending (which he's not great at) he is a very dangerous player up front. Id have McCurry over Bradley or Brennan any day of the week if he is able to stay inside/close to the goals.. or even inside the oppositions have.

Don't understand why we don't work to our players strengths

that would be too easy, dont kid yourself.
Mattie Donnelly unmarkable close to the sticks, keep him up there is my opinion

I think when we are struggling to get ball inside or struggling to make it stick, he should definitely be put into the inside line. but if the lads inside are doing damage, he can be left out around the middle and be a further benefit out the pitch with his running game, passing and vision. So I would say his position should be based on the situation we are in at the time, if you get what i mean, hes an incredibly versatile player. Not sure if many would agree with his position being 'situational' as opposed to playing a standard position all game, as it can be difficult for management to prepare for.

Donnelly unmarkable in the club scene, joy to watch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TimmyTrumpet on October 02, 2019, 11:19:41 AM
Jim McGuinness rumoured in be linked with Tyrone management set up this year. Does it hold any water i wonder?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on October 02, 2019, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: TimmyTrumpet on October 02, 2019, 11:19:41 AM
Jim McGuinness rumoured in be linked with Tyrone management set up this year. Does it hold any water i wonder?

Maybe the year after next (2021) alongside Canavan when Mickey's term finally runs out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 02, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
What do we think the view of Harte is inside the panel? We've seen quite a few counties in recent years (Mayo and Fermanagh for example) make serious moves to oust managers that they weren't happy with. If you look through that Tyrone panel there are quite a few lads now at the peak of their careers (Mattie, Morgan, McNamee, Petey Harte), if these lads had reservations about Harte then surely they would make this known and either try to force change or have him replaced (obviously Petey is excused from this), rather than waste the best years of their careers playing for a manager they have no faith in.

This might not be great for those concerned from a PR perspective, especially if it backfired and the team performed poorly the next year, but if they felt it was necessary then I'm sure they would take action. Does the fact that they haven't indicate that the players are content with the management set up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 02, 2019, 01:41:27 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 02, 2019, 10:54:55 AM
Not a McCurry fan by any stretch but the man proved in the Championship that when he is allowed to play up the field and not waste energy and speed defending (which he's not great at) he is a very dangerous player up front. Id have McCurry over Bradley or Brennan any day of the week if he is able to stay inside/close to the goals.. or even inside the oppositions have.

Don't understand why we don't work to our players strengths

McCurry lacks the physicality inside at county level. He's a lovely footballer but he's very guilty of letting his head drop and going hiding and when you're playing inside you need to have that mental toughness to keep showing and trying to impact the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 02, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 02, 2019, 01:41:27 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 02, 2019, 10:54:55 AM
Not a McCurry fan by any stretch but the man proved in the Championship that when he is allowed to play up the field and not waste energy and speed defending (which he's not great at) he is a very dangerous player up front. Id have McCurry over Bradley or Brennan any day of the week if he is able to stay inside/close to the goals.. or even inside the oppositions have.

Don't understand why we don't work to our players strengths

McCurry lacks the physicality inside at county level. He's a lovely footballer but he's very guilty of letting his head drop and going hiding and when you're playing inside you need to have that mental toughness to keep showing and trying to impact the game.
All I see is you complain about Tyrones size and that Lee Brennan is too small, Mark Bradley is too small and now McCurry is too small too. Catch yourself on, we just aren't using the players correctly. Man who scored the winning goal in the All Ireland isn't that big or physical
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 02, 2019, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 02, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
What do we think the view of Harte is inside the panel? We've seen quite a few counties in recent years (Mayo and Fermanagh for example) make serious moves to oust managers that they weren't happy with. If you look through that Tyrone panel there are quite a few lads now at the peak of their careers (Mattie, Morgan, McNamee, Petey Harte), if these lads had reservations about Harte then surely they would make this known and either try to force change or have him replaced (obviously Petey is excused from this), rather than waste the best years of their careers playing for a manager they have no faith in.

This might not be great for those concerned from a PR perspective, especially if it backfired and the team performed poorly the next year, but if they felt it was necessary then I'm sure they would take action. Does the fact that they haven't indicate that the players are content with the management set up?
no. It means they are afraid to speak out. Even Sean cavanagh was quiet as a mouse until he retired. Nice try but harte is finished.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 02, 2019, 03:20:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 02, 2019, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 02, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
What do we think the view of Harte is inside the panel? We've seen quite a few counties in recent years (Mayo and Fermanagh for example) make serious moves to oust managers that they weren't happy with. If you look through that Tyrone panel there are quite a few lads now at the peak of their careers (Mattie, Morgan, McNamee, Petey Harte), if these lads had reservations about Harte then surely they would make this known and either try to force change or have him replaced (obviously Petey is excused from this), rather than waste the best years of their careers playing for a manager they have no faith in.

This might not be great for those concerned from a PR perspective, especially if it backfired and the team performed poorly the next year, but if they felt it was necessary then I'm sure they would take action. Does the fact that they haven't indicate that the players are content with the management set up?
no. It means they are afraid to speak out. Even Sean cavanagh was quiet as a mouse until he retired. Nice try but harte is finished.

Well if that's the case it doesn't say much for our players if they are prepared to waste their prime years playing for a manager they think is finished just because they are afraid to speak out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 02, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 02, 2019, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 02, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
What do we think the view of Harte is inside the panel? We've seen quite a few counties in recent years (Mayo and Fermanagh for example) make serious moves to oust managers that they weren't happy with. If you look through that Tyrone panel there are quite a few lads now at the peak of their careers (Mattie, Morgan, McNamee, Petey Harte), if these lads had reservations about Harte then surely they would make this known and either try to force change or have him replaced (obviously Petey is excused from this), rather than waste the best years of their careers playing for a manager they have no faith in.

This might not be great for those concerned from a PR perspective, especially if it backfired and the team performed poorly the next year, but if they felt it was necessary then I'm sure they would take action. Does the fact that they haven't indicate that the players are content with the management set up?
no. It means they are afraid to speak out. Even Sean cavanagh was quiet as a mouse until he retired. Nice try but harte is finished.

lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 02, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Coudnt see a man as travelled and remunerated as Jim heading to Gaa in near future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 02, 2019, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: skeog on October 02, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Coudnt see a man as travelled and remunerated as Jim heading to Gaa in near future.
don't think harte would enjoy being number 2 to Mc Guinness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 02, 2019, 09:42:35 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 02, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
What do we think the view of Harte is inside the panel? We've seen quite a few counties in recent years (Mayo and Fermanagh for example) make serious moves to oust managers that they weren't happy with. If you look through that Tyrone panel there are quite a few lads now at the peak of their careers (Mattie, Morgan, McNamee, Petey Harte), if these lads had reservations about Harte then surely they would make this known and either try to force change or have him replaced (obviously Petey is excused from this), rather than waste the best years of their careers playing for a manager they have no faith in.

This might not be great for those concerned from a PR perspective, especially if it backfired and the team performed poorly the next year, but if they felt it was necessary then I'm sure they would take action. Does the fact that they haven't indicate that the players are content with the management set up?

Maybe the players appreciate that they have been playing in huge games year in year out and are insightful enough understand the job Harte has been doing to keep returning them to Croke Park in late August on a consistent basis. They are probably in a better position to make this judgement than the odd keyboard warrior on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 02, 2019, 10:50:57 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 02, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 02, 2019, 01:41:27 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 02, 2019, 10:54:55 AM
Not a McCurry fan by any stretch but the man proved in the Championship that when he is allowed to play up the field and not waste energy and speed defending (which he's not great at) he is a very dangerous player up front. Id have McCurry over Bradley or Brennan any day of the week if he is able to stay inside/close to the goals.. or even inside the oppositions have.

Don't understand why we don't work to our players strengths

McCurry lacks the physicality inside at county level. He's a lovely footballer but he's very guilty of letting his head drop and going hiding and when you're playing inside you need to have that mental toughness to keep showing and trying to impact the game.
All I see is you complain about Tyrones size and that Lee Brennan is too small, Mark Bradley is too small and now McCurry is too small too. Catch yourself on, we just aren't using the players correctly. Man who scored the winning goal in the All Ireland isn't that big or physical

That's bollocks. Look at the semi finalists this year. They all had big, powerful players playing inside. Look at the difference McShane made playing inside this year. The beauty with McShane is he can win it anyway. McCurry will struggle to win ball inside. He's a lovely player but he's too small.

Kerry had Geaney, Walsh, Spillane and Clifford operating inside - all big physical guys.

Dublin had Rock, Mannion, O'Callaghan operating inside all big powerful guys. Even the likes of Costello and Paddy Small are around 6ft and very physically developed.

Mayo has Darren Coen, Cillian O'Connor and Carr inside who are all well over 6ft. Even though Andy Moran is not the tallest he's a very powerful who won't be pushed off the ball.

None of the top teams have small guys lacking in power and presence playing inside for them.

The game is gone for them unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on October 09, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Away to Donegal...nice start
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 09, 2019, 09:17:44 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 09, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Away to Donegal...nice start

Nice early meltdown about Harte the year due.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Theshooter on October 09, 2019, 11:01:55 AM
nice, but tough draw
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 10:56:02 PM
Can any one explain why the bbc are doing an interview from garvaghey tonight in respect of abortion. Whatever your views surely this is a terrible step from tyrone. It looks like turone gaa have made a political or religious stance! This is a very difficult issue for a lot of people
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 10, 2019, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 10:56:02 PM
Can any one explain why the bbc are doing an interview from garvaghey tonight in respect of abortion. Whatever your views surely this is a terrible step from tyrone. It looks like turone gaa have made a political or religious stance! This is a very difficult issue for a lot of people

If the message portrayed was a pro-choice message, would you have had an issue with it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 11:30:02 PM
Yes 100%. A handful of old men trying to make a statement on behalf of tyrone is a disgrace in my opinion. Keep that stuff away from the gaa
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Im.not getting into a abortion debate on a gaa forum which is exactly my point
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 11, 2019, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 11, 2019, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Im.not getting into a abortion debate on a gaa forum which is exactly my point

I agree, leave it at that, keep this forum strictly sensible football talk
sensible football talk? On here? Lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 11, 2019, 11:16:40 AM
An ex Tyrone ladies captain has popped up to say she will vote dup at next election because of abortion. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on October 11, 2019, 11:59:20 AM
Still Trillick and Errigal game to be played but I think a few players have really stood out in the championship this season and have fairly decent recent history with Tyrone underage, university etc that I'd like to see called up.
Daniel Kerr, Ronan Nugent, Conor Quinn - Galbally
Conn Kilpatrick, Paul Donaghy - Edendork
Niall Kelly, Darragh Canavan - Errigal
Tiernan Quinn - Coalisland
Ruairi Kelly - Trillick
Tiernan Murray - Carrickmore
Conall Grimes - Loughmacrory
Obviously that's a lot of players to call up, and Tyrone U20s from last year and this year coming will likely get call ups in the future. But think a clear out of the squad players is needed and the majority of them would offer an improvement on those players who are not seeing game time outside of the mckenna cup, early league games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 11, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 11, 2019, 11:35:39 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 11, 2019, 11:16:40 AM
An ex Tyrone ladies captain has popped up to say she will vote dup at next election because of abortion. Jesus wept.

thanks, ill add this to my list of lies ive heard today
was on the news so hardly lies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 11, 2019, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 11, 2019, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Im.not getting into a abortion debate on a gaa forum which is exactly my point

I agree, leave it at that, keep this forum strictly sensible football talk


Strictly football? my a*$e I think its ridiculous for tyrone gaa getting involved in things like that. Garvaghey should be strictly football and other gaa sports not for grand standing political and religious statements.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: five points on October 11, 2019, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 11, 2019, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 11, 2019, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Im.not getting into a abortion debate on a gaa forum which is exactly my point

I agree, leave it at that, keep this forum strictly sensible football talk


Strictly football? my a*$e I think its ridiculous for tyrone gaa getting involved in things like that. Garvaghey should be strictly football and other gaa sports not for grand standing political and religious statements.

Sexist much? Nobody advocated barring Mickey Harte, Joe Brolly or Eamon McGee from GAA-owned facilities when they made similarly political statements as private individuals.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on October 11, 2019, 01:41:19 PM
Absolutely,whatever their viewpoint. Sexism has nothing to do with this. Who sanctioned the use of Garvaghy for this rubbish anyway? Can anyone rock up and start giving interviews on whatever they see fit?
Keep politics and religion as far away from sport as possible.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on October 11, 2019, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: five points on October 11, 2019, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 11, 2019, 01:01:48 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 11, 2019, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Im.not getting into a abortion debate on a gaa forum which is exactly my point

I agree, leave it at that, keep this forum strictly sensible football talk




Strictly football? my a*$e I think its ridiculous for tyrone gaa getting involved in things like that. Garvaghey should be strictly football and other gaa sports not for grand standing political and religious statements.

Sexist much? Nobody advocated barring Mickey Harte, Joe Brolly or Eamon McGee from GAA-owned facilities when they made similarly political statements as private individuals.



Sorry what are you talking about? Where did I say anything about barring anyone? I don't care what her opinions are or who he/she is. They should not be making political/religious statements and portraying it like she is speaking on behalf of tyrone GAA. Which was clearly the aim. Garvaghey was bought and paid for by members and clubs for GAA purposes. It should not be used to promote a political or religious ideology
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: five points on October 11, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 11, 2019, 03:33:16 PM
Sorry what are you talking about? Where did I say anything about barring anyone? I don't care what her opinions are or who he/she is. They should not be making political/religious statements and portraying it like she is speaking on behalf of tyrone GAA. Which was clearly the aim. Garvaghey was bought and paid for by members and clubs for GAA purposes. It should not be used to promote a political or religious ideology

The Ladies Association isn't even part of the GAA.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on October 11, 2019, 05:47:21 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 11, 2019, 11:59:20 AM
Still Trillick and Errigal game to be played but I think a few players have really stood out in the championship this season and have fairly decent recent history with Tyrone underage, university etc that I'd like to see called up.
Daniel Kerr, Ronan Nugent, Conor Quinn - Galbally
Conn Kilpatrick, Paul Donaghy - Edendork
Niall Kelly, Darragh Canavan - Errigal
Tiernan Quinn - Coalisland
Ruairi Kelly - Trillick
Tiernan Murray - Carrickmore
Conall Grimes - Loughmacrory
Obviously that's a lot of players to call up, and Tyrone U20s from last year and this year coming will likely get call ups in the future. But think a clear out of the squad players is needed and the majority of them would offer an improvement on those players who are not seeing game time outside of the mckenna cup, early league games.

Agree with most of these although Kerr, Donaghy and Murray are probably behind the likes of Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley who could both be back in along with Canavan, McCurry, McAliskey etc. But no harm to give them a run out in McKenna Cup.
Was Ryan Gray on the squad this year? He has a bit of size about him and is good for 2/3 points a game for Trillick at the moment.
Eoghan Murray from Tattyreagh? Not sure how he got on in Div 1 this year but was excellent last year in Intermediate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on October 12, 2019, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 12, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
Donaghy brutal in both championship games anyway. The real question is, are you f**king clueless?

2 points from play in the first game. 4 points from play in the replay.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 12, 2019, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 12, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
Donaghy brutal in both championship games anyway. The real question is, are you f**king clueless?

If he is kicking scores from play at the frequency he does when he's brutal then that's an encouraging sign.

Donaghy certainly deserves a chance with Tyrone given his club form and how he has down with Tyrone at underage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on October 12, 2019, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 12, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
Donaghy brutal in both championship games anyway. The real question is, are you f**king clueless?
He gave a good analysis. Let's hear yours?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 14, 2019, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 10, 2019, 10:56:02 PM
Can any one explain why the bbc are doing an interview from garvaghey tonight in respect of abortion. Whatever your views surely this is a terrible step from tyrone. It looks like turone gaa have made a political or religious stance! This is a very difficult issue for a lot of people. Lisa o hares (nee Mc girr) sister is married to Mickey hartes son. Explains alot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on October 17, 2019, 10:46:58 AM
Interesting that quotes from Mickey Harte about the new S&C appointment say that essentially he is answerable to the medical team...which is headed up by.......Michael Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2019, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on October 17, 2019, 10:46:58 AM
Interesting that quotes from Mickey Harte about the new S&C appointment say that essentially he is answerable to the medical team...which is headed up by.......Michael Harte.

I think that is true of every S+C coach if we are being honest. S+C is essentially injury prevention.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on October 17, 2019, 11:05:25 AM
Yes you are right, I take that point.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 17, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 17, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan

Nobody let him do anything. He left Tyrone to go to Ulster Rugby. No issues - great opportunity. Donnelly has then decided he would go and help a rival county on top of his 'day' role. Discussed it all along with Banty who was in for Monaghan job for weeks prior.

Lets stop this thinking that Donnelly was hard done by, he's a big boy, he decided to go to Monaghan through the back door. He's a mercenary and always has been.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 17, 2019, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 17, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan

Nobody let him do anything. He left Tyrone to go to Ulster Rugby. No issues - great opportunity. Donnelly has then decided he would go and help a rival county on top of his 'day' role. Discussed it all along with Banty who was in for Monaghan job for weeks prior.

Lets stop this thinking that Donnelly was hard done by, he's a big boy, he decided to go to Monaghan through the back door. He's a mercenary and always has been.
Donnelly wanted to keep the Tyrone senior job but was refused by harte and county board. How is he a mercenary? That's his career not a job on the side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2019, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 17, 2019, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 17, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan

Nobody let him do anything. He left Tyrone to go to Ulster Rugby. No issues - great opportunity. Donnelly has then decided he would go and help a rival county on top of his 'day' role. Discussed it all along with Banty who was in for Monaghan job for weeks prior.

Lets stop this thinking that Donnelly was hard done by, he's a big boy, he decided to go to Monaghan through the back door. He's a mercenary and always has been.
Donnelly wanted to keep the Tyrone senior job but was refused by harte and county board. How is he a mercenary? That's his career not a job on the side.

That's a guess. We don't know what exactly was offered / said. You can only go on what we know. He went to Ulster to some fanfare and sadness. Did Tyrone make him an offer to stay? I'm sure they did, Harte himself said it was a massive opportunity in professional sports which it is and good luck to him.

Then signs up with Monaghan a week later.

It stinks to me, so I wouldn't be painting Donnelly as someone who's got a raw deal or was forced out here. At the end of the day Monaghan are a serious team and a threat to Tyrone. He knew exactly what he was doing when he signed up.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on October 17, 2019, 02:18:29 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 17, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan

Nobody let him do anything. He left Tyrone to go to Ulster Rugby. No issues - great opportunity. Donnelly has then decided he would go and help a rival county on top of his 'day' role. Discussed it all along with Banty who was in for Monaghan job for weeks prior.

Lets stop this thinking that Donnelly was hard done by, he's a big boy, he decided to go to Monaghan through the back door. He's a mercenary and always has been.

He's a mercenary because he wants to get a mortgage? I heard from a good source that he had been turned down several times for a mortgage because of the nature of the way tyrone employed him ie he had a contract renewed each year. With Ulster rugby he has security in his employment. If you call that being a mercenary then you're an idiot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2019, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: lenny on October 17, 2019, 02:18:29 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 17, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
No matter who we have, stupid letting Donnelly go to Monaghan

Nobody let him do anything. He left Tyrone to go to Ulster Rugby. No issues - great opportunity. Donnelly has then decided he would go and help a rival county on top of his 'day' role. Discussed it all along with Banty who was in for Monaghan job for weeks prior.

Lets stop this thinking that Donnelly was hard done by, he's a big boy, he decided to go to Monaghan through the back door. He's a mercenary and always has been.

He's a mercenary because he wants to get a mortgage? I heard from a good source that he had been turned down several times for a mortgage because of the nature of the way tyrone employed him ie he had a contract renewed each year. With Ulster rugby he has security in his employment. If you call that being a mercenary then you're an idiot.

Can't really say any other way than the two times that I did that going to Ulster Rugby is/was no issue. I don't think anyone has an issue with that. Ulster Rugby has absolutely no bearing on what we are discussing here.

What I'm saying is, he's not working for Monaghan for free.....he also didn't take too long in accepting the post with Monaghan. Hiring your service out for money is the definition of a mercenary so I don't think we should be trying in some way to paint Donnelly as a poor soul on the breadline. He had no bother moving on, neither should Tyrone. I think people are trying to use this as some sort of stick to beat TCB with....I don't see it that way at all.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 17, 2019, 03:20:42 PM
Hiring out your service for money is called a job you idiot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 04:42:31 PM
Donnelly is the latest angle for the Harte haters to use. Rationale and logic go out to window when they try and pedal their agenda.

Interesting to see a Derry mam venturing in here to give his quids worth.

Tyrone want a full time S&C person in the role, Donnelly vacated it to chase a more lucrative job - no issue with as he needs to make a living. I don't think it would have worked with him staying on as part or the senior management team as his presence there would probably undermine our new S&C guy.

Donnelly then decides to take up a time with Monaghan, again that is his choice.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 17, 2019, 04:46:18 PM
If Donnelly had been allowed stay on then we wouldn't have needed a new s/c coach would we?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 17, 2019, 04:46:18 PM
If Donnelly had been allowed stay on then we wouldn't have needed a new s/c coach would we?

He chose to leave. He has been a full time S&C trainer with Tyrone, he vacated the role through his own volition and has been replaced.

You do your own agenda no good when you make completely baseless and irrational complaints like this to vilify Harte. If you stuck to genuine grievances then you might have some credibility.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 17, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on October 17, 2019, 10:46:58 AM
Interesting that quotes from Mickey Harte about the new S&C appointment say that essentially he is answerable to the medical team...which is headed up by.......Michael Harte.
Is the medical team not headed up by Damian ODonnell, the doctor?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 18, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 18, 2019, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 18, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.
Dublin have a lot more money than Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on October 18, 2019, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 18, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.


Donnelly on full time contract with Tyrone. Not huge salary but probably decent in GAA circles. Ulster Rugby come calling, offer him a few grand more to do similar job, 9-5, working with academy set up, larger more professional organisation, more room for career progression. Donnelly suggests to Tyrone he could stay on and do S&C for senior team only on a part time evening basis (like vast majority of other counties outside the top tier), Tyrone say no, we want someone full time. All fair enough.
Donnelly then gets the opportunity to do the part time evening set up with Monaghan and make a few extra quid. All seems completely fair on both sides. Nothing to see here, move along.

If anything it shows Tyrone are up there with Dublin and Kerry in having the full time S&C coach and aren't content with a part timer they way Monaghan still are.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on October 18, 2019, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on October 18, 2019, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 18, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.


Donnelly on full time contract with Tyrone. Not huge salary but probably decent in GAA circles. Ulster Rugby come calling, offer him a few grand more to do similar job, 9-5, working with academy set up, larger more professional organisation, more room for career progression. Donnelly suggests to Tyrone he could stay on and do S&C for senior team only on a part time evening basis (like vast majority of other counties outside the top tier), Tyrone say no, we want someone full time. All fair enough.
Donnelly then gets the opportunity to do the part time evening set up with Monaghan and make a few extra quid. All seems completely fair on both sides. Nothing to see here, move along.

If anything it shows Tyrone are up there with Dublin and Kerry in having the full time S&C coach and aren't content with a part timer they way Monaghan still are.

Am I missing something here? Davis is only coming in on a part time basis to work with the senior team. We're going to need to go and get someone to work with the U20 and Minor teams to do the work Peter Donnelly did with them...

The reality is Tyrone have a serious problem holding on to any expertise they've got in the way of full time staff. The staff turnover in the last 12-18 months is unreal. Meanwhile we're in the process of building another white elephant at Garvaghey instead of investing in coaching for all our teams not just the elite players

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 18, 2019, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: barelegs on October 18, 2019, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on October 18, 2019, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 18, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.


Donnelly on full time contract with Tyrone. Not huge salary but probably decent in GAA circles. Ulster Rugby come calling, offer him a few grand more to do similar job, 9-5, working with academy set up, larger more professional organisation, more room for career progression. Donnelly suggests to Tyrone he could stay on and do S&C for senior team only on a part time evening basis (like vast majority of other counties outside the top tier), Tyrone say no, we want someone full time. All fair enough.
Donnelly then gets the opportunity to do the part time evening set up with Monaghan and make a few extra quid. All seems completely fair on both sides. Nothing to see here, move along.

If anything it shows Tyrone are up there with Dublin and Kerry in having the full time S&C coach and aren't content with a part timer they way Monaghan still are.

Am I missing something here? Davis is only coming in on a part time basis to work with the senior team. We're going to need to go and get someone to work with the U20 and Minor teams to do the work Peter Donnelly did with them...

The reality is Tyrone have a serious problem holding on to any expertise they've got in the way of full time staff. The staff turnover in the last 12-18 months is unreal. Meanwhile we're in the process of building another white elephant at Garvaghey instead of investing in coaching for all our teams not just the elite players

As far as I'm aware Davis being appointed to the same position with the same remit Donnelly had unless I'm missing something?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 18, 2019, 10:10:40 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 18, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.

Go on....?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 18, 2019, 11:47:40 AM
Heard paddy Jackson and Stuart olding will be coming with Davis to help Tyrone with their PR work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on October 18, 2019, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2019, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: barelegs on October 18, 2019, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on October 18, 2019, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 18, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.


Donnelly on full time contract with Tyrone. Not huge salary but probably decent in GAA circles. Ulster Rugby come calling, offer him a few grand more to do similar job, 9-5, working with academy set up, larger more professional organisation, more room for career progression. Donnelly suggests to Tyrone he could stay on and do S&C for senior team only on a part time evening basis (like vast majority of other counties outside the top tier), Tyrone say no, we want someone full time. All fair enough.
Donnelly then gets the opportunity to do the part time evening set up with Monaghan and make a few extra quid. All seems completely fair on both sides. Nothing to see here, move along.

If anything it shows Tyrone are up there with Dublin and Kerry in having the full time S&C coach and aren't content with a part timer they way Monaghan still are.

Am I missing something here? Davis is only coming in on a part time basis to work with the senior team. We're going to need to go and get someone to work with the U20 and Minor teams to do the work Peter Donnelly did with them...

The reality is Tyrone have a serious problem holding on to any expertise they've got in the way of full time staff. The staff turnover in the last 12-18 months is unreal. Meanwhile we're in the process of building another white elephant at Garvaghey instead of investing in coaching for all our teams not just the elite players

As far as I'm aware Davis being appointed to the same position with the same remit Donnelly had unless I'm missing something?


At that rate i hope he has his mortgage sorted.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on October 18, 2019, 12:29:13 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 18, 2019, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2019, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: barelegs on October 18, 2019, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on October 18, 2019, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on October 18, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 17, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
There is only short term security in professional sports in terms of managers and coaches. At some stage , the management team is sacked and new people take over.Thats why they get paid so well.
GAA is going the same way. New manager leads to new backroom members. You have to make your mark and charge accordingly. Even in club football the gravy train keeps moving on.
What would the career span be for coaches /s &c coaches ? 10 - 15 years ?

Donnelly's role was secure enough, he was a full time registered employee of Tyrone GAA with a remit covering all the S&C needs of Tyrone underage squads up to senior. He's very highly rated which probably explains why a professional setup came and headhunted him for their gig. I don't know how many other counties employ somebody like Donnelly, Dublin probably do and a few others but I think Tyrone were ahead of the curve. In terms of fitness, conditioning and our injury record record then I think the results speak extremely positively for Donnelly but the package on offer from a professional outlet is likely one we can't come close to offering.
Personally i would want noting to do with the shower that is Ulster rugby but i understand why he did, professional set up blah blah.. My issue is that it seems he was just let go. If Leinster rugby come looking a Dublin S&C coach I don't think they would get him at all and if they did they would not get him as easy.


Donnelly on full time contract with Tyrone. Not huge salary but probably decent in GAA circles. Ulster Rugby come calling, offer him a few grand more to do similar job, 9-5, working with academy set up, larger more professional organisation, more room for career progression. Donnelly suggests to Tyrone he could stay on and do S&C for senior team only on a part time evening basis (like vast majority of other counties outside the top tier), Tyrone say no, we want someone full time. All fair enough.
Donnelly then gets the opportunity to do the part time evening set up with Monaghan and make a few extra quid. All seems completely fair on both sides. Nothing to see here, move along.

If anything it shows Tyrone are up there with Dublin and Kerry in having the full time S&C coach and aren't content with a part timer they way Monaghan still are.

Am I missing something here? Davis is only coming in on a part time basis to work with the senior team. We're going to need to go and get someone to work with the U20 and Minor teams to do the work Peter Donnelly did with them...

The reality is Tyrone have a serious problem holding on to any expertise they've got in the way of full time staff. The staff turnover in the last 12-18 months is unreal. Meanwhile we're in the process of building another white elephant at Garvaghey instead of investing in coaching for all our teams not just the elite players

As far as I'm aware Davis being appointed to the same position with the same remit Donnelly had unless I'm missing something?


At that rate i hope he has his mortgage sorted.....

Peter Donnelly had no input into the u20s or u17s this year.
Davis will only be working with the seniors
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 18, 2019, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 18, 2019, 11:47:40 AM
Heard paddy Jackson and Stuart olding will be coming with Davis to help Tyrone with their PR work.


About as funny as Brexit !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 18, 2019, 03:04:11 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 18, 2019, 02:15:53 PM
Mike Basset added to the management team as a selector im hearing?
seen a funny Twitter poll few months ago. Asked who should manage Tyrone next year, Mickey harte or Mike Basset? 87% said Bassett.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2019, 08:38:09 PM
The timing of the Sigerson this year could make it very difficult for Tyrone to test some new blood in the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on October 24, 2019, 10:47:13 AM
Peter Donnelly the genius who has helped Tyrone win 38 Mckenna cups. How ever will we cope without him???
Here lads Donnelly might've been good but what did he achieve in that role with Tyrone? We've bigger problems with that other ballbag taking over the entire the county including imposing his right wing draconian religious fundamentalism on us.
Get f**king real.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 24, 2019, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: Theshooter on October 24, 2019, 02:37:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 24, 2019, 10:47:13 AM
Peter Donnelly the genius who has helped Tyrone win 38 Mckenna cups. How ever will we cope without him???
Here lads Donnelly might've been good but what did he achieve in that role with Tyrone? We've bigger problems with that other ballbag taking over the entire the county including imposing his right wing draconian religious fundamentalism on us.
Get f**king real.

Goodman Trailer, only about 3 weeks late
Was gunna say, where did this ant come out of...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid 2.0 on October 24, 2019, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 18, 2019, 03:04:11 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 18, 2019, 02:15:53 PM
Mike Basset added to the management team as a selector im hearing?
seen a funny Twitter poll few months ago. Asked who should manage Tyrone next year, Mickey harte or Mike Basset? 87% said Bassett.

What did the funny twitter poll say?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 24, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 24, 2019, 10:47:13 AM
Peter Donnelly the genius who has helped Tyrone win 38 Mckenna cups. How ever will we cope without him???
Here lads Donnelly might've been good but what did he achieve in that role with Tyrone? We've bigger problems with that other ballbag taking over the entire the county including imposing his right wing draconian religious fundamentalism on us.
Get f**king real.
couldn't have said it better myself trailer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HalfBack7 on November 05, 2019, 09:53:31 AM
Does anyone have a copy of the provisional national league fixtures for 2020 that they could share. Can't find them anywhere online.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 05, 2019, 09:55:49 AM
Any new names in the squad for the McKenna Cup/NFL?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 05, 2019, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 05, 2019, 09:55:49 AM
Any new names in the squad for the McKenna Cup/NFL?

Boys have been contacted. New trainer and coach looking to get fresh eyes over the team, fair enough I suppose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on November 06, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: HalfBack7 on November 05, 2019, 09:53:31 AM
Does anyone have a copy of the provisional national league fixtures for 2020 that they could share. Can't find them anywhere online.

25/26 Jan - Meath (home)
1/2 Feb - Monaghan (away)
8/9 Feb - Kerry (home)
22/23 Feb - Galway (away)
28/29 Feb - Dublin (home)
14 Mar - Donegal (away)
22 Mar - Mayo (away)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 06, 2019, 08:09:18 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 06, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: HalfBack7 on November 05, 2019, 09:53:31 AM
Does anyone have a copy of the provisional national league fixtures for 2020 that they could share. Can't find them anywhere online.

25/26 Jan - Meath (home)
1/2 Feb - Monaghan (away)
8/9 Feb - Kerry (home)
22/23 Feb - Galway (away)
28/29 Feb - Dublin (home)
14 Mar - Donegal (away)
22 Mar - Mayo (away)

Important we get off to a good start next year as that's a tough run in. I think we'll be needing 4 points from the first two games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 07, 2019, 08:50:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2019, 08:09:18 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 06, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: HalfBack7 on November 05, 2019, 09:53:31 AM
Does anyone have a copy of the provisional national league fixtures for 2020 that they could share. Can't find them anywhere online.

25/26 Jan - Meath (home)
1/2 Feb - Monaghan (away)
8/9 Feb - Kerry (home)
22/23 Feb - Galway (away)
28/29 Feb - Dublin (home)
14 Mar - Donegal (away)
22 Mar - Mayo (away)

Important we get off to a good start next year as that's a tough run in. I think we'll be needing 4 points from the first two games.
Not that important though, the league is for basically for trialing players to see if they can give anything in the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 07, 2019, 09:06:52 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 07, 2019, 08:50:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2019, 08:09:18 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 06, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: HalfBack7 on November 05, 2019, 09:53:31 AM
Does anyone have a copy of the provisional national league fixtures for 2020 that they could share. Can't find them anywhere online.

25/26 Jan - Meath (home)
1/2 Feb - Monaghan (away)
8/9 Feb - Kerry (home)
22/23 Feb - Galway (away)
28/29 Feb - Dublin (home)
14 Mar - Donegal (away)
22 Mar - Mayo (away)

Important we get off to a good start next year as that's a tough run in. I think we'll be needing 4 points from the first two games.
Not that important though, the league is for basically for trialing players to see if they can give anything in the championship

It's important we stay up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 07, 2019, 09:17:23 AM
I'm led to believe that some the recent call ups will have about 1/2/3 weeks training with county before first fixture above with the Sigerson.

Not ideal for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Spilman47 on November 07, 2019, 04:52:53 PM
So whats the thoughts on another Tyrone man heading for Monaghan set-up.....John Devine....as Beggan's GK Coach, another lose for Tyrone...whats going on #FFS
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 07, 2019, 07:37:06 PM
Sure Pascal mc Connell be obvious replacement.Top man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 07, 2019, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 07, 2019, 07:37:06 PM
Sure Pascal mc Connell be obvious replacement.Top man.
Pascal publicly called for change of management in his newspaper column after the Kerry game so doubt he will be getting any phonecalls.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What positions do we think we are lacking in currently on the panel?

I think Rory Brennan and McNamee are nailed on in the full back line now after they performed really well last year but I think we need more reliable man markers here in addition to them. Hampsey needs to get back to fitness and I think he will generally slot in wherever we need a man marking job done - similar to Conor Gormley in his day. The likes of Eoghan Murray, Niall Kelly and Conall Grimes might be worth a look here.

I think 6 is a gaping hole in our team, we conceded an enormous amount of goals from players running through us at the middle last year, we need to position a player there who is an intelligent player with good positional sense - there are currently no standout players for this spot in our current panel. Possibly Michael O'Neill from Ardboe but he's more likely another attacking half back

Not sure if Colm Cavanagh will come back this year, he's definitely in decline but I still feel that he would have something to offer as an impact sub in helping us close out games with his experience and aerial ability. I'd expect Con Kilpatrick is a cert for a call up and Paudie McNulty may also be in line for a call up.

I think our half forward line let us down badly in terms of scores last year, Sludden had a really poor year and Peter Harte had some periods of good form in the league but he really failed to get going in the Championship. I think we need a dynamic scoring wing forward who is good for chipping in with a few scores consistently. Meyler and McGeary get through a lot of work for us in that area but neither impact the scoreboard enough. Cassidy and Burns did well on the scoring front from the HB line last year but I think they are better coming from deep. I can't think of too many standout choices here - maybe Mulgrew will get a break with injuries and push on this season. Ryan Gray has had a good year for Trillick and I like what I saw of Nathan Donnelly a few years back with Killyclogher.

The FF line has been massively aided by McShane's peformances last season, we have plenty of talented forwards in there who can play as a foil off of him - McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, Brennan (if he returns) and other younger players around the county like Canavan, T Quinn, E McNabb but the modern game doesn't really suit these guys playing inside. I think we need to find more physical players as an alternative to McShane in case he is unavailable as he is absolutely vital to our plans. I think Moy's Ryan Coleman is certainly worth a look in this regard. I also think Paul Donaghy is worth a look at in terms of partnering McShane inside, he's a big lad and he knows where the posts are. ]

I'd be looking to leave both M Donnelly and P Harte inside as much as possible next year. I thought both their best form last year came when they were playing inside, Harte had a few brilliant games in the league when we was inside, he was MOTM in the league game against Monaghan and scored fairly well. Donnelly also had his best games inside, the league match with Dublin and Super 8s tie with Cork sticking out.

I'd hope there's a bit of a cull in some of the fringe players, there's quite a few there for a while now who have not broken in. Wouldn't mind seeing Coney get 3 or 4 successive starts at 11 in the league to see if he's up to it. He gives us something different than what we already have there.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 08, 2019, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What positions do we think we are lacking in currently on the panel?

I think Rory Brennan and McNamee are nailed on in the full back line now after they performed really well last year but I think we need more reliable man markers here in addition to them. Hampsey needs to get back to fitness and I think he will generally slot in wherever we need a man marking job done - similar to Conor Gormley in his day. The likes of Eoghan Murray, Niall Kelly and Conall Grimes might be worth a look here.

I think 6 is a gaping hole in our team, we conceded an enormous amount of goals from players running through us at the middle last year, we need to position a player there who is an intelligent player with good positional sense - there are currently no standout players for this spot in our current panel. Possibly Michael O'Neill from Ardboe but he's more likely another attacking half back

Not sure if Colm Cavanagh will come back this year, he's definitely in decline but I still feel that he would have something to offer as an impact sub in helping us close out games with his experience and aerial ability. I'd expect Con Kilpatrick is a cert for a call up and Paudie McNulty may also be in line for a call up.

I think our half forward line let us down badly in terms of scores last year, Sludden had a really poor year and Peter Harte had some periods of good form in the league but he really failed to get going in the Championship. I think we need a dynamic scoring wing forward who is good for chipping in with a few scores consistently. Meyler and McGeary get through a lot of work for us in that area but neither impact the scoreboard enough. Cassidy and Burns did well on the scoring front from the HB line last year but I think they are better coming from deep. I can't think of too many standout choices here - maybe Mulgrew will get a break with injuries and push on this season. Ryan Gray has had a good year for Trillick and I like what I saw of Nathan Donnelly a few years back with Killyclogher.

The FF line has been massively aided by McShane's peformances last season, we have plenty of talented forwards in there who can play as a foil off of him - McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, Brennan (if he returns) and other younger players around the county like Canavan, T Quinn, E McNabb but the modern game doesn't really suit these guys playing inside. I think we need to find more physical players as an alternative to McShane in case he is unavailable as he is absolutely vital to our plans. I think Moy's Ryan Coleman is certainly worth a look in this regard. I also think Paul Donaghy is worth a look at in terms of partnering McShane inside, he's a big lad and he knows where the posts are. ]

I'd be looking to leave both M Donnelly and P Harte inside as much as possible next year. I thought both their best form last year came when they were playing inside, Harte had a few brilliant games in the league when we was inside, he was MOTM in the league game against Monaghan and scored fairly well. Donnelly also had his best games inside, the league match with Dublin and Super 8s tie with Cork sticking out.

I'd hope there's a bit of a cull in some of the fringe players, there's quite a few there for a while now who have not broken in. Wouldn't mind seeing Coney get 3 or 4 successive starts at 11 in the league to see if he's up to it. He gives us something different than what we already have there.
Don't think Mickey Harte is taking any more job applications, nor do i think he reads the discussion board for advice.. Get back to work ffs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 08, 2019, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What positions do we think we are lacking in currently on the panel?

I think Rory Brennan and McNamee are nailed on in the full back line now after they performed really well last year but I think we need more reliable man markers here in addition to them. Hampsey needs to get back to fitness and I think he will generally slot in wherever we need a man marking job done - similar to Conor Gormley in his day. The likes of Eoghan Murray, Niall Kelly and Conall Grimes might be worth a look here.

I think 6 is a gaping hole in our team, we conceded an enormous amount of goals from players running through us at the middle last year, we need to position a player there who is an intelligent player with good positional sense - there are currently no standout players for this spot in our current panel. Possibly Michael O'Neill from Ardboe but he's more likely another attacking half back

Not sure if Colm Cavanagh will come back this year, he's definitely in decline but I still feel that he would have something to offer as an impact sub in helping us close out games with his experience and aerial ability. I'd expect Con Kilpatrick is a cert for a call up and Paudie McNulty may also be in line for a call up.

I think our half forward line let us down badly in terms of scores last year, Sludden had a really poor year and Peter Harte had some periods of good form in the league but he really failed to get going in the Championship. I think we need a dynamic scoring wing forward who is good for chipping in with a few scores consistently. Meyler and McGeary get through a lot of work for us in that area but neither impact the scoreboard enough. Cassidy and Burns did well on the scoring front from the HB line last year but I think they are better coming from deep. I can't think of too many standout choices here - maybe Mulgrew will get a break with injuries and push on this season. Ryan Gray has had a good year for Trillick and I like what I saw of Nathan Donnelly a few years back with Killyclogher.

The FF line has been massively aided by McShane's peformances last season, we have plenty of talented forwards in there who can play as a foil off of him - McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, Brennan (if he returns) and other younger players around the county like Canavan, T Quinn, E McNabb but the modern game doesn't really suit these guys playing inside. I think we need to find more physical players as an alternative to McShane in case he is unavailable as he is absolutely vital to our plans. I think Moy's Ryan Coleman is certainly worth a look in this regard. I also think Paul Donaghy is worth a look at in terms of partnering McShane inside, he's a big lad and he knows where the posts are. ]

I'd be looking to leave both M Donnelly and P Harte inside as much as possible next year. I thought both their best form last year came when they were playing inside, Harte had a few brilliant games in the league when we was inside, he was MOTM in the league game against Monaghan and scored fairly well. Donnelly also had his best games inside, the league match with Dublin and Super 8s tie with Cork sticking out.

I'd hope there's a bit of a cull in some of the fringe players, there's quite a few there for a while now who have not broken in. Wouldn't mind seeing Coney get 3 or 4 successive starts at 11 in the league to see if he's up to it. He gives us something different than what we already have there.
Don't think Mickey Harte is taking any more job applications, nor do i think he reads the discussion board for advice.. Get back to work ffs

Thanks for that advice but you don't seem to understand this is a discussion board, not a support group for idiots like yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 08, 2019, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What positions do we think we are lacking in currently on the panel?

I think Rory Brennan and McNamee are nailed on in the full back line now after they performed really well last year but I think we need more reliable man markers here in addition to them. Hampsey needs to get back to fitness and I think he will generally slot in wherever we need a man marking job done - similar to Conor Gormley in his day. The likes of Eoghan Murray, Niall Kelly and Conall Grimes might be worth a look here.

I think 6 is a gaping hole in our team, we conceded an enormous amount of goals from players running through us at the middle last year, we need to position a player there who is an intelligent player with good positional sense - there are currently no standout players for this spot in our current panel. Possibly Michael O'Neill from Ardboe but he's more likely another attacking half back

Not sure if Colm Cavanagh will come back this year, he's definitely in decline but I still feel that he would have something to offer as an impact sub in helping us close out games with his experience and aerial ability. I'd expect Con Kilpatrick is a cert for a call up and Paudie McNulty may also be in line for a call up.

I think our half forward line let us down badly in terms of scores last year, Sludden had a really poor year and Peter Harte had some periods of good form in the league but he really failed to get going in the Championship. I think we need a dynamic scoring wing forward who is good for chipping in with a few scores consistently. Meyler and McGeary get through a lot of work for us in that area but neither impact the scoreboard enough. Cassidy and Burns did well on the scoring front from the HB line last year but I think they are better coming from deep. I can't think of too many standout choices here - maybe Mulgrew will get a break with injuries and push on this season. Ryan Gray has had a good year for Trillick and I like what I saw of Nathan Donnelly a few years back with Killyclogher.

The FF line has been massively aided by McShane's peformances last season, we have plenty of talented forwards in there who can play as a foil off of him - McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, Brennan (if he returns) and other younger players around the county like Canavan, T Quinn, E McNabb but the modern game doesn't really suit these guys playing inside. I think we need to find more physical players as an alternative to McShane in case he is unavailable as he is absolutely vital to our plans. I think Moy's Ryan Coleman is certainly worth a look in this regard. I also think Paul Donaghy is worth a look at in terms of partnering McShane inside, he's a big lad and he knows where the posts are. ]

I'd be looking to leave both M Donnelly and P Harte inside as much as possible next year. I thought both their best form last year came when they were playing inside, Harte had a few brilliant games in the league when we was inside, he was MOTM in the league game against Monaghan and scored fairly well. Donnelly also had his best games inside, the league match with Dublin and Super 8s tie with Cork sticking out.

I'd hope there's a bit of a cull in some of the fringe players, there's quite a few there for a while now who have not broken in. Wouldn't mind seeing Coney get 3 or 4 successive starts at 11 in the league to see if he's up to it. He gives us something different than what we already have there.

I'm telling you, Danny McNulty is in some condition at the minute. He has transformed himself since returning from injury. Has been in superb form for the club in championship and league since injury. I thought earlier that he was shot, but he has completely turned the corner. He can win some ball. He is easily county standard in this shape, him and Mc Shane would be some target. Young Canavan needs to be CHF
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 08, 2019, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 08, 2019, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What positions do we think we are lacking in currently on the panel?

I think Rory Brennan and McNamee are nailed on in the full back line now after they performed really well last year but I think we need more reliable man markers here in addition to them. Hampsey needs to get back to fitness and I think he will generally slot in wherever we need a man marking job done - similar to Conor Gormley in his day. The likes of Eoghan Murray, Niall Kelly and Conall Grimes might be worth a look here.

I think 6 is a gaping hole in our team, we conceded an enormous amount of goals from players running through us at the middle last year, we need to position a player there who is an intelligent player with good positional sense - there are currently no standout players for this spot in our current panel. Possibly Michael O'Neill from Ardboe but he's more likely another attacking half back

Not sure if Colm Cavanagh will come back this year, he's definitely in decline but I still feel that he would have something to offer as an impact sub in helping us close out games with his experience and aerial ability. I'd expect Con Kilpatrick is a cert for a call up and Paudie McNulty may also be in line for a call up.

I think our half forward line let us down badly in terms of scores last year, Sludden had a really poor year and Peter Harte had some periods of good form in the league but he really failed to get going in the Championship. I think we need a dynamic scoring wing forward who is good for chipping in with a few scores consistently. Meyler and McGeary get through a lot of work for us in that area but neither impact the scoreboard enough. Cassidy and Burns did well on the scoring front from the HB line last year but I think they are better coming from deep. I can't think of too many standout choices here - maybe Mulgrew will get a break with injuries and push on this season. Ryan Gray has had a good year for Trillick and I like what I saw of Nathan Donnelly a few years back with Killyclogher.

The FF line has been massively aided by McShane's peformances last season, we have plenty of talented forwards in there who can play as a foil off of him - McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, Brennan (if he returns) and other younger players around the county like Canavan, T Quinn, E McNabb but the modern game doesn't really suit these guys playing inside. I think we need to find more physical players as an alternative to McShane in case he is unavailable as he is absolutely vital to our plans. I think Moy's Ryan Coleman is certainly worth a look in this regard. I also think Paul Donaghy is worth a look at in terms of partnering McShane inside, he's a big lad and he knows where the posts are. ]

I'd be looking to leave both M Donnelly and P Harte inside as much as possible next year. I thought both their best form last year came when they were playing inside, Harte had a few brilliant games in the league when we was inside, he was MOTM in the league game against Monaghan and scored fairly well. Donnelly also had his best games inside, the league match with Dublin and Super 8s tie with Cork sticking out.

I'd hope there's a bit of a cull in some of the fringe players, there's quite a few there for a while now who have not broken in. Wouldn't mind seeing Coney get 3 or 4 successive starts at 11 in the league to see if he's up to it. He gives us something different than what we already have there.
Don't think Mickey Harte is taking any more job applications, nor do i think he reads the discussion board for advice.. Get back to work ffs

The man put together a well informed, opinionated and reasoned post.

Absolutely no reason for you to reply to it at all, unless you want to get into a discussion. Why did you even feel need to reply like that so critically?

People like you are ruining the board, sniping in the long grass because you can barely type a sentence yourselves.

For what it's worth, Angelo posted a lot of good points and seems to be a genuine gael. I don't agree with all he's posted but I certainly would rather his post 1000 times over something like yours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 08, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 08, 2019, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What positions do we think we are lacking in currently on the panel?

I think Rory Brennan and McNamee are nailed on in the full back line now after they performed really well last year but I think we need more reliable man markers here in addition to them. Hampsey needs to get back to fitness and I think he will generally slot in wherever we need a man marking job done - similar to Conor Gormley in his day. The likes of Eoghan Murray, Niall Kelly and Conall Grimes might be worth a look here.

I think 6 is a gaping hole in our team, we conceded an enormous amount of goals from players running through us at the middle last year, we need to position a player there who is an intelligent player with good positional sense - there are currently no standout players for this spot in our current panel. Possibly Michael O'Neill from Ardboe but he's more likely another attacking half back

Not sure if Colm Cavanagh will come back this year, he's definitely in decline but I still feel that he would have something to offer as an impact sub in helping us close out games with his experience and aerial ability. I'd expect Con Kilpatrick is a cert for a call up and Paudie McNulty may also be in line for a call up.

I think our half forward line let us down badly in terms of scores last year, Sludden had a really poor year and Peter Harte had some periods of good form in the league but he really failed to get going in the Championship. I think we need a dynamic scoring wing forward who is good for chipping in with a few scores consistently. Meyler and McGeary get through a lot of work for us in that area but neither impact the scoreboard enough. Cassidy and Burns did well on the scoring front from the HB line last year but I think they are better coming from deep. I can't think of too many standout choices here - maybe Mulgrew will get a break with injuries and push on this season. Ryan Gray has had a good year for Trillick and I like what I saw of Nathan Donnelly a few years back with Killyclogher.

The FF line has been massively aided by McShane's peformances last season, we have plenty of talented forwards in there who can play as a foil off of him - McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, Brennan (if he returns) and other younger players around the county like Canavan, T Quinn, E McNabb but the modern game doesn't really suit these guys playing inside. I think we need to find more physical players as an alternative to McShane in case he is unavailable as he is absolutely vital to our plans. I think Moy's Ryan Coleman is certainly worth a look in this regard. I also think Paul Donaghy is worth a look at in terms of partnering McShane inside, he's a big lad and he knows where the posts are. ]

I'd be looking to leave both M Donnelly and P Harte inside as much as possible next year. I thought both their best form last year came when they were playing inside, Harte had a few brilliant games in the league when we was inside, he was MOTM in the league game against Monaghan and scored fairly well. Donnelly also had his best games inside, the league match with Dublin and Super 8s tie with Cork sticking out.

I'd hope there's a bit of a cull in some of the fringe players, there's quite a few there for a while now who have not broken in. Wouldn't mind seeing Coney get 3 or 4 successive starts at 11 in the league to see if he's up to it. He gives us something different than what we already have there.

I'm telling you, Danny McNulty is in some condition at the minute. He has transformed himself since returning from injury. Has been in superb form for the club in championship and league since injury. I thought earlier that he was shot, but he has completely turned the corner. He can win some ball. He is easily county standard in this shape, him and Mc Shane would be some target. Young Canavan needs to be CHF

Would be some asset alright. Exactly what we have been crying out for. Hope he makes himself available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: samuel maguire on November 08, 2019, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 08, 2019, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What positions do we think we are lacking in currently on the panel?

I think Rory Brennan and McNamee are nailed on in the full back line now after they performed really well last year but I think we need more reliable man markers here in addition to them. Hampsey needs to get back to fitness and I think he will generally slot in wherever we need a man marking job done - similar to Conor Gormley in his day. The likes of Eoghan Murray, Niall Kelly and Conall Grimes might be worth a look here.

I think 6 is a gaping hole in our team, we conceded an enormous amount of goals from players running through us at the middle last year, we need to position a player there who is an intelligent player with good positional sense - there are currently no standout players for this spot in our current panel. Possibly Michael O'Neill from Ardboe but he's more likely another attacking half back

Not sure if Colm Cavanagh will come back this year, he's definitely in decline but I still feel that he would have something to offer as an impact sub in helping us close out games with his experience and aerial ability. I'd expect Con Kilpatrick is a cert for a call up and Paudie McNulty may also be in line for a call up.

I think our half forward line let us down badly in terms of scores last year, Sludden had a really poor year and Peter Harte had some periods of good form in the league but he really failed to get going in the Championship. I think we need a dynamic scoring wing forward who is good for chipping in with a few scores consistently. Meyler and McGeary get through a lot of work for us in that area but neither impact the scoreboard enough. Cassidy and Burns did well on the scoring front from the HB line last year but I think they are better coming from deep. I can't think of too many standout choices here - maybe Mulgrew will get a break with injuries and push on this season. Ryan Gray has had a good year for Trillick and I like what I saw of Nathan Donnelly a few years back with Killyclogher.

The FF line has been massively aided by McShane's peformances last season, we have plenty of talented forwards in there who can play as a foil off of him - McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, Brennan (if he returns) and other younger players around the county like Canavan, T Quinn, E McNabb but the modern game doesn't really suit these guys playing inside. I think we need to find more physical players as an alternative to McShane in case he is unavailable as he is absolutely vital to our plans. I think Moy's Ryan Coleman is certainly worth a look in this regard. I also think Paul Donaghy is worth a look at in terms of partnering McShane inside, he's a big lad and he knows where the posts are. ]

I'd be looking to leave both M Donnelly and P Harte inside as much as possible next year. I thought both their best form last year came when they were playing inside, Harte had a few brilliant games in the league when we was inside, he was MOTM in the league game against Monaghan and scored fairly well. Donnelly also had his best games inside, the league match with Dublin and Super 8s tie with Cork sticking out.

I'd hope there's a bit of a cull in some of the fringe players, there's quite a few there for a while now who have not broken in. Wouldn't mind seeing Coney get 3 or 4 successive starts at 11 in the league to see if he's up to it. He gives us something different than what we already have there.
Don't think Mickey Harte is taking any more job applications, nor do i think he reads the discussion board for advice.. Get back to work ffs

Your a complete clown. This well a well put together opinion and idiots like you have to take the piss. You need a good slap imo. Angelo, don't let fools like this put you off posting, I quiet enjoy your opinions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 08, 2019, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What positions do we think we are lacking in currently on the panel?

I think Rory Brennan and McNamee are nailed on in the full back line now after they performed really well last year but I think we need more reliable man markers here in addition to them. Hampsey needs to get back to fitness and I think he will generally slot in wherever we need a man marking job done - similar to Conor Gormley in his day. The likes of Eoghan Murray, Niall Kelly and Conall Grimes might be worth a look here.

I think 6 is a gaping hole in our team, we conceded an enormous amount of goals from players running through us at the middle last year, we need to position a player there who is an intelligent player with good positional sense - there are currently no standout players for this spot in our current panel. Possibly Michael O'Neill from Ardboe but he's more likely another attacking half back

Not sure if Colm Cavanagh will come back this year, he's definitely in decline but I still feel that he would have something to offer as an impact sub in helping us close out games with his experience and aerial ability. I'd expect Con Kilpatrick is a cert for a call up and Paudie McNulty may also be in line for a call up.

I think our half forward line let us down badly in terms of scores last year, Sludden had a really poor year and Peter Harte had some periods of good form in the league but he really failed to get going in the Championship. I think we need a dynamic scoring wing forward who is good for chipping in with a few scores consistently. Meyler and McGeary get through a lot of work for us in that area but neither impact the scoreboard enough. Cassidy and Burns did well on the scoring front from the HB line last year but I think they are better coming from deep. I can't think of too many standout choices here - maybe Mulgrew will get a break with injuries and push on this season. Ryan Gray has had a good year for Trillick and I like what I saw of Nathan Donnelly a few years back with Killyclogher.

The FF line has been massively aided by McShane's peformances last season, we have plenty of talented forwards in there who can play as a foil off of him - McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, Brennan (if he returns) and other younger players around the county like Canavan, T Quinn, E McNabb but the modern game doesn't really suit these guys playing inside. I think we need to find more physical players as an alternative to McShane in case he is unavailable as he is absolutely vital to our plans. I think Moy's Ryan Coleman is certainly worth a look in this regard. I also think Paul Donaghy is worth a look at in terms of partnering McShane inside, he's a big lad and he knows where the posts are. ]

I'd be looking to leave both M Donnelly and P Harte inside as much as possible next year. I thought both their best form last year came when they were playing inside, Harte had a few brilliant games in the league when we was inside, he was MOTM in the league game against Monaghan and scored fairly well. Donnelly also had his best games inside, the league match with Dublin and Super 8s tie with Cork sticking out.

I'd hope there's a bit of a cull in some of the fringe players, there's quite a few there for a while now who have not broken in. Wouldn't mind seeing Coney get 3 or 4 successive starts at 11 in the league to see if he's up to it. He gives us something different than what we already have there.

I'm telling you, Danny McNulty is in some condition at the minute. He has transformed himself since returning from injury. Has been in superb form for the club in championship and league since injury. I thought earlier that he was shot, but he has completely turned the corner. He can win some ball. He is easily county standard in this shape, him and Mc Shane would be some target. Young Canavan needs to be CHF

I didn't see McNulty in action this year, but by all accounts he was extremely impressive in the Championship which was a big surprise as going by what I was hearing about him this time last year it seemed likely he was going to jack in football altogether due to injury troubles.

In terms of ability and his physical attributes, he could be perfect for intercounty football but I'd have doubts whether he can sustain the physical demands of intercounty football. Hopefully he gets his chance if he is good shape and take it.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2019, 10:15:11 PM
Irish news says injury blow for Tyrone ahead of league. Anyone here who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 11, 2019, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2019, 10:15:11 PM
Irish news says injury blow for Tyrone ahead of league. Anyone here who?

Mattie Donnelly for 6 months. Tore hamstring.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on November 12, 2019, 07:56:18 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 11, 2019, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2019, 10:15:11 PM
Irish news says injury blow for Tyrone ahead of league. Anyone here who?

Mattie Donnelly for 6 months. Tore hamstring.


TYRONE have been dealt a major blow with the news their captain and talisman Mattie Donnelly looks set to miss next year's National League campaign.

The Trillick clubman sustained the injury in a recent Ulster club quarter-final clash with Derrygonnelly at Brewster Park, a game St Macartan's lost on penalties. Donnelly is to have surgery in a hospital in London today and faces up to six months on the sidelines.

"Unfortunately, it's a bad injury," said Donnelly.
"I got the results of the scan there last week and it has revealed that one of the tendons of the bone on the hamstring has become detached. The only way around it is surgical intervention but I'm in good hands with Tyrone with Louis O'Connor and now Johnny Davis on board, so I have the best of the best looking after me."
"So I have a few months of rehab ahead of me," he added.
"It's the best of a bad bunch. There is never a good time to get injured, but this is probably the pick of the season when there is not much happening in the winter months.
"I will put the head down and be diligent with the rehab as I'm at that age now, with Tyrone panels you need to be coming back in good shape."

It's not the news Tyrone manager Mickey Harte would have been hoping for, especially with a competitive Division One ahead next season when a good start to the campaign is essential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on November 12, 2019, 09:21:50 AM
A few Ulster Counties out training already.

Anyone know when Tyrone commence or any names of new call ups?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2019, 09:41:08 AM
I see the article on Mattie Donnelly in Irish news is written by a Kevin Kelly. Teamtalk Kevin Kelly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 12, 2019, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on November 12, 2019, 09:21:50 AM
A few Ulster Counties out training already.

Anyone know when Tyrone commence or any names of new call ups?

Tyrone can't officially start to December due to being in the Semi Finals I think.

Like the rest, they are training away - the new S/C guy is working away already, this is an instance of having no gym (to brag of) at Garvaghy actually helps Tyrone as they aren't actually collective training...just a bunch of high level enthusiasts meeting up in two gyms at two sides of the county....ahem.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 12, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Kevin Kelly is a Journalist so what is unusual about it.Have to say Matthew showed tremendous courage to re-enter the fray with an injury as serious as his.Every team in Ulster are back training a month ago nothing unusual about that either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2019, 10:32:37 AM
Quote from: skeog on November 12, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Kevin Kelly is a Journalist so what is unusual about it.Have to say Matthew showed tremendous courage to re-enter the fray with an injury as serious as his.Every team in Ulster are back training a month ago nothing unusual about that either.
I didn't say it was unusual, just wondered if it was the same Kevin Kelly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 12, 2019, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 12, 2019, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on November 12, 2019, 09:21:50 AM
A few Ulster Counties out training already.

Anyone know when Tyrone commence or any names of new call ups?

Tyrone can't officially start to December due to being in the Semi Finals I think.

Like the rest, they are training away - the new S/C guy is working away already, this is an instance of having no gym (to brag of) at Garvaghy actually helps Tyrone as they aren't actually collective training...just a bunch of high level enthusiasts meeting up in two gyms at two sides of the county....ahem.


No they aren't
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on November 12, 2019, 07:40:23 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 12, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Kevin Kelly is a Journalist so what is unusual about it.Have to say Matthew showed tremendous courage to re-enter the fray with an injury as serious as his.Every team in Ulster are back training a month ago nothing unusual about that either.

No doubt about that but unfortunately he wasn't fit to play and due to that he gave away the free  that Derrygonnelly got the equaliser from.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
Whisper down here Mickey Harte going to loose another couple of players in the next week or 2.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on November 12, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
Whisper down here Mickey Harte going to loose another couple of players in the next week or 2.....

What part of the county would these boys be from
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on November 12, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
Whisper down here Mickey Harte going to loose another couple of players in the next week or 2.....

What part of the county would these boys be from

East Tyrone general direction
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on November 12, 2019, 08:18:02 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2019, 07:40:23 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 12, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Kevin Kelly is a Journalist so what is unusual about it.Have to say Matthew showed tremendous courage to re-enter the fray with an injury as serious as his.Every team in Ulster are back training a month ago nothing unusual about that either.

No doubt about that but unfortunately he wasn't fit to play and due to that he gave away the free  that Derrygonnelly got the equaliser from.

To be fair he slipped going back for a ball, could've happened to anyone, I thinks it's false to equivocate the free and his injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on November 12, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
Look it would have been a factor.
He ripped the bone of his hamstring.
Had been off the field for probably the guts of an hour.
Very strange decision ( which I don't blame the player for ) considering how serious the injury was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 12, 2019, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
Whisper down here Mickey Harte going to loose another couple of players in the next week or 2.....

I don't think he's too worried about losing predominantly bench players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2019, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on November 12, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
Whisper down here Mickey Harte going to loose another couple of players in the next week or 2.....

What part of the county would these boys be from

East Tyrone general direction

You'd be looking at the following players from the East:

C Cavanagh
Loughran
Coney
Cassidy
Mulgrew
McClure
McAliskey
B Burns
F Burns
HP McGeary
K McGeary
Hampsey
McKernan
Morgan
McCurry
Rafferty

The players in bold are ones I wouldn't be surprised if they walked away due to being on the fringe of things or age/injuries.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on November 12, 2019, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
Look it would have been a factor.
He ripped the bone of his hamstring.
Had been off the field for probably the guts of an hour.
Very strange decision ( which I don't blame the player for ) considering how serious the injury was.

This shouldn't happen, bad management decision, a similar incident happen last year in the intermediate final a clearly injured player came on and in the first contact he buckled. Take the decision out of the players hands and use a fit player on the bench or reuse a non-injured sub that you have taken off at worst - no sympathy for either player or manager, if this is the chain of events.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 08:08:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2019, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on November 12, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
Whisper down here Mickey Harte going to loose another couple of players in the next week or 2.....

What part of the county would these boys be from

East Tyrone general direction

You'd be looking at the following players from the East:

C Cavanagh
Loughran
Coney
Cassidy
Mulgrew
McClure
McAliskey
B Burns
F Burns
HP McGeary
K McGeary
Hampsey
McKernan
Morgan
McCurry
Rafferty

The players in bold are ones I wouldn't be surprised if they walked away due to being on the fringe of things or age/injuries.


I added a player in bold for you there...that is the whisper plus cavanagh...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 13, 2019, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 08:08:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2019, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on November 12, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
Whisper down here Mickey Harte going to loose another couple of players in the next week or 2.....

What part of the county would these boys be from

East Tyrone general direction

You'd be looking at the following players from the East:

C Cavanagh
Loughran
Coney
Cassidy
Mulgrew
McClure
McAliskey
B Burns
F Burns
HP McGeary
K McGeary
Hampsey
McKernan
Morgan
McCurry
Rafferty

The players in bold are ones I wouldn't be surprised if they walked away due to being on the fringe of things or age/injuries.


I added a player in bold for you there...that is the whisper plus cavanagh...

I would bet money that Cavanagh goes nowhere...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2019, 08:51:28 AM
Would be surprised to see McAliskey go, he had a bad injury at the start of last year which made it more difficult for him but he had a good few opportunities in the Championship. Never really got his form going though. He'd certainly be a loss as even though he's very hot and cold, when he is on his game he can be a very heavy scorer and he is the most physical of our smaller inside forward options.

If he was completely out of the picture I could see it happen but that wasn't the case and I don't think McAliskey is a player who is afraid of putting work in and fighting for his spot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on November 13, 2019, 09:07:51 AM
Talk of a couple of established players taking the year out to go travelling. Wouldn't begrudge them. They've given 6/7 years full pelt to tyrone and it's not long to life/partners/children come along and it's too late to do these things.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 09:25:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2019, 08:51:28 AM
Would be surprised to see McAliskey go, he had a bad injury at the start of last year which made it more difficult for him but he had a good few opportunities in the Championship. Never really got his form going though. He'd certainly be a loss as even though he's very hot and cold, when he is on his game he can be a very heavy scorer and he is the most physical of our smaller inside forward options.

If he was completely out of the picture I could see it happen but that wasn't the case and I don't think McAliskey is a player who is afraid of putting work in and fighting for his spot.

I wouldn't, considering who is being talked of as making a rather dramatic return to that part of the world.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 13, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2019, 08:51:28 AM
Would be surprised to see McAliskey go, he had a bad injury at the start of last year which made it more difficult for him but he had a good few opportunities in the Championship. Never really got his form going though. He'd certainly be a loss as even though he's very hot and cold, when he is on his game he can be a very heavy scorer and he is the most physical of our smaller inside forward options.

If he was completely out of the picture I could see it happen but that wasn't the case and I don't think McAliskey is a player who is afraid of putting work in and fighting for his spot.
Not getting a run is not the only reason a player might leave the squad. He has put in a 5 or 6 years of the IC life and suffered and returned from a couple of bad injuries.
He may want to enjoy the rest of his youth playing for his club or travelling.
Good luck to him either way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 09:25:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2019, 08:51:28 AM
Would be surprised to see McAliskey go, he had a bad injury at the start of last year which made it more difficult for him but he had a good few opportunities in the Championship. Never really got his form going though. He'd certainly be a loss as even though he's very hot and cold, when he is on his game he can be a very heavy scorer and he is the most physical of our smaller inside forward options.

If he was completely out of the picture I could see it happen but that wasn't the case and I don't think McAliskey is a player who is afraid of putting work in and fighting for his spot.

I wouldn't, considering who is being talked of as making a rather dramatic return to that part of the world.


Heard that rumour but only is a rumour 100per cent
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 09:25:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2019, 08:51:28 AM
Would be surprised to see McAliskey go, he had a bad injury at the start of last year which made it more difficult for him but he had a good few opportunities in the Championship. Never really got his form going though. He'd certainly be a loss as even though he's very hot and cold, when he is on his game he can be a very heavy scorer and he is the most physical of our smaller inside forward options.

If he was completely out of the picture I could see it happen but that wasn't the case and I don't think McAliskey is a player who is afraid of putting work in and fighting for his spot.

I wouldn't, considering who is being talked of as making a rather dramatic return to that part of the world.


Heard that rumour but only is a rumour 100per cent

I was thinking it must be silly season stuff myself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on November 13, 2019, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2019, 08:45:23 PM
Look it would have been a factor.
He ripped the bone of his hamstring.
Had been off the field for probably the guts of an hour.
Very strange decision ( which I don't blame the player for ) considering how serious the injury was.

At the time they didn't know it was as serious as it was. A DG player came in and collided with the back of his leg with his knee, it looked for all the world like a dead leg. Whilst you can argue about bringing back on a player with a injury I think it's harsh to criticise management or player for underestimating the extent of the damage that was done. 90% of the people there would have called that a dead leg.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 13, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.
Another handy pay packet for him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 13, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.

awwh, i thought yous were on about the other rumour.
Although it would be interesting for cassidy to make a return


Will not be happening....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 13, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 13, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.

awwh, i thought yous were on about the other rumour.
Although it would be interesting for cassidy to make a return


Will not be happening....

Are you sure? Would love him back.

Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 13, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.
Another handy pay packet for him

We were in 3 county finals winning two, won an Ulster U21 and also won two league titles when he was here. That's results. Went to Cargin and has won two county titles. Took his own club to the Ulster minor title last xmas. There aren't many, but there are a few who are worth it. Great times for us and he was a big part of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on November 13, 2019, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 13, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 13, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.

awwh, i thought yous were on about the other rumour.
Although it would be interesting for cassidy to make a return


Will not be happening....

Are you sure? Would love him back.

Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 13, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.
Another handy pay packet for him

We were in 3 county finals winning two, won an Ulster U21 and also won two league titles when he was here. That's results. Went to Cargin and has won two county titles. Took his own club to the Ulster minor title last xmas. There aren't many, but there are a few who are worth it. Great times for us and he was a big part of it.

Our un8 girls manager would win an Antrim championship with Cargin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: whatsthescore on November 13, 2019, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 13, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.

awwh, i thought yous were on about the other rumour.
Although it would be interesting for cassidy to make a return

Elaborate ?? Can't beat a good rumour
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 13, 2019, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on November 13, 2019, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 13, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 13, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.

awwh, i thought yous were on about the other rumour.
Although it would be interesting for cassidy to make a return


Will not be happening....

Are you sure? Would love him back.

Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 13, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.
Another handy pay packet for him

We were in 3 county finals winning two, won an Ulster U21 and also won two league titles when he was here. That's results. Went to Cargin and has won two county titles. Took his own club to the Ulster minor title last xmas. There aren't many, but there are a few who are worth it. Great times for us and he was a big part of it.

Our un8 girls manager would win an Antrim championship with Cargin

You think so. I went to the Lamb Dherg semi finals and final because Barry Taggart from Clonoe coaches them. Barry was also involved in our management team in our championship win in 2103. The Antrim championship was anything but easily won. Have you followed it at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 13, 2019, 12:45:57 PM
Stephen O Neill is on Kilcars radar apparently be some coup for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrdub on November 13, 2019, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: youhavenofans on November 13, 2019, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 13, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 13, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.

awwh, i thought yous were on about the other rumour.
Although it would be interesting for cassidy to make a return


Will not be happening....

Are you sure? Would love him back.

Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 13, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.
Another handy pay packet for him

We were in 3 county finals winning two, won an Ulster U21 and also won two league titles when he was here. That's results. Went to Cargin and has won two county titles. Took his own club to the Ulster minor title last xmas. There aren't many, but there are a few who are worth it. Great times for us and he was a big part of it.

Our un8 girls manager would win an Antrim championship with Cargin

you really are full of shit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: whatsthescore on November 13, 2019, 02:00:17 PM
More intrigued on the errigal management , surely Barton isn't staying at edendork
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: whatsthescore on November 13, 2019, 02:00:17 PM
More intrigued on the errigal management , surely Barton isn't staying at edendork

He's gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 13, 2019, 02:05:26 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 13, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 13, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.

awwh, i thought yous were on about the other rumour.
Although it would be interesting for cassidy to make a return


Will not be happening....

Are you sure? Would love him back.

Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 13, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 11:06:13 AM
Damian Cassidy. Rumours of course.
Another handy pay packet for him

We were in 3 county finals winning two, won an Ulster U21 and also won two league titles when he was here. That's results. Went to Cargin and has won two county titles. Took his own club to the Ulster minor title last xmas. There aren't many, but there are a few who are worth it. Great times for us and he was a big part of it.

Clonoe also hadn't been beat by the blues in championship football before his arrival.  Since then its played 3 lost 3 for you so yes please give ca$hidy a big bag of money and get him back  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
Localexpert....you are the man to tell us all, when will there be white smoke on Annagher Hill on the appointment for year ahead?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 13, 2019, 03:05:04 PM
Quote from: skeog on November 13, 2019, 12:45:57 PM
Stephen O Neill is on Kilcars radar apparently be some coup for them.

Be some coup for O'Neill never mind Kilcar
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 13, 2019, 03:21:05 PM
Back to the club thread with yez.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 13, 2019, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
Localexpert....you are the man to tell us all, when will there be white smoke on Annagher Hill on the appointment for year ahead?

A driving instructor odds on to take over I'm led to believe!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 06:28:33 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 13, 2019, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
Localexpert....you are the man to tell us all, when will there be white smoke on Annagher Hill on the appointment for year ahead?

A driving instructor odds on to take over I'm led to believe!


Put his CV forward for that gig a few times...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Delegater on November 13, 2019, 07:00:45 PM
Technology forwarding skills suspect to say the least
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Degrassi Hi on November 13, 2019, 11:00:54 PM
If the Kilcar rumours are true then O'Neill would be managing against his brother if he is still part of the St Michaels setup next season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 14, 2019, 08:38:10 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 13, 2019, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
Localexpert....you are the man to tell us all, when will there be white smoke on Annagher Hill on the appointment for year ahead?

A driving instructor odds on to take over I'm led to believe!
Back to a bottom half team then..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 14, 2019, 09:50:25 AM
Dont think Stephen be managing its a coaching role.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 14, 2019, 08:57:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 13, 2019, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
Localexpert....you are the man to tell us all, when will there be white smoke on Annagher Hill on the appointment for year ahead?

A driving instructor odds on to take over I'm led to believe!

WB?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 14, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
Heard a prolific forward is quitting the panel. What is going on in Garvaghey these days...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 14, 2019, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 14, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
Heard a prolific forward is quitting the panel. What is going on in Garvaghey these days...
didn't think we had any prolific forwards. Unless Mc Shane quitting?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on November 14, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
So the McAliskey rumours were true then. Disappointing as he has a lot to offer still.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 15, 2019, 07:54:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 14, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
So the McAliskey rumours were true then. Disappointing as he has a lot to offer still.

Yup, was hoping a fit Skeet and McShane would have been a real solid pairing in the FF line next year.

Shame, but it's a lot of committment and it's better him being upfront and honest that coasting along.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on November 15, 2019, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 15, 2019, 07:54:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 14, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
So the McAliskey rumours were true then. Disappointing as he has a lot to offer still.

Yup, was hoping a fit Skeet and McShane would have been a real solid pairing in the FF line next year.

Shame, but it's a lot of committment and it's better him being upfront and honest that coasting along.

Tyrone's future lies in a McShane / Canavan forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 09:38:07 AM
Very disappointed to hear that.

I think Skeet is a great player though he is very much a confidence player. He's has a couple of bad injuries in the past few years but has had a brilliant attitude on the pitch and has put in many big performances.

If he feels he can't give the commitment then there is no issue, he's made the call at the correct time. I'd imagine it will probably be the end of his intercounty career, he will be 30 in 2021 and we have some very good underage forwards coming through at the minute.

Any word on new call ups yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 10:01:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 09:38:07 AM
Very disappointed to hear that.

I think Skeet is a great player though he is very much a confidence player. He's has a couple of bad injuries in the past few years but has had a brilliant attitude on the pitch and has put in many big performances.

If he feels he can't give the commitment then there is no issue, he's made the call at the correct time. I'd imagine it will probably be the end of his intercounty career, he will be 30 in 2021 and we have some very good underage forwards coming through at the minute.

Any word on new call ups yet?

Lee Brennan supposedly back.....but then I also heard he was playing soccer at a pretty decent level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?

Get your ass kissed at your club about how good you are, which is more often than not true enough to be fair.

Go to county, where you have to do the shit you don't do because the average lads cover you (such as tackle and track). Don't like it, leave.

Fair enough, it's where Tyrone are at - no point yapping about Harte. He won't change. Although inside mark coming in showed that Tyrone can actually play decent stuff with that rule.

Is it in for clubs on that matter does anyone know?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on November 15, 2019, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?

Get your ass kissed at your club about how good you are, which is more often than not true enough to be fair.

Go to county, where you have to do the shit you don't do because the average lads cover you (such as tackle and track). Don't like it, leave.

Fair enough, it's where Tyrone are at - no point yapping about Harte. He won't change. Although inside mark coming in showed that Tyrone can actually play decent stuff with that rule.

Is it in for clubs on that matter does anyone know?

If it comes into the club scene then i think we will see a number of the weaker teams or teams that would normally struggle, using it massively to their advantage and reaping the rewards. This would suit a teams like Moy and Clogher for example, big men that can field a ball and know where the posts are. This will make up for other areas in the field where teams are lacking. It'll be a big leveller.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 15, 2019, 11:19:44 AM
Surely has to go into the club scene, don't particularly agree with all the rule changes in the GAA every year. I think we should build our own game and not take parts of other games, in saying that, we need to have a set rule not one rule for inter county and different for club.

Its the same problem with club championships, I feel that there should be a set GAA rule i.e if the game is a draw, its either ET or replay not replay in Tyrone and extra time in Donegal. Same rules should be for everyone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?

Is that not the case in other counties too, the modern game requires a lot physically and the toe of forward that would have prospered 10-15 years would find it a lot more difficult these days.

McShane is the type of forward that excels in the modern game, you need to be able to win it any which way. We have a lot of samey type small skilful forwards but you look at the other top teams and their forward lines are comprised of big, physical and athletic players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?

Is that not the case in other counties too, the modern game requires a lot physically and the toe of forward that would have prospered 10-15 years would find it a lot more difficult these days.

McShane is the type of forward that excels in the modern game, you need to be able to win it any which way. We have a lot of samey type small skilful forwards but you look at the other top teams and their forward lines are comprised of big, physical and athletic players.
so we shouldn't get excited about young canavan? Too small and light?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 15, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?

Get your ass kissed at your club about how good you are, which is more often than not true enough to be fair.

Go to county, where you have to do the shit you don't do because the average lads cover you (such as tackle and track). Don't like it, leave.

Fair enough, it's where Tyrone are at - no point yapping about Harte. He won't change. Although inside mark coming in showed that Tyrone can actually play decent stuff with that rule.

Is it in for clubs on that matter does anyone know?

Interesting, never thought of it in that way!!

Heard Daniel Kerr has been called up, probably the pick of the forwards called up!
Not sure if Brennan or Bradley would want to go back!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?

Is that not the case in other counties too, the modern game requires a lot physically and the toe of forward that would have prospered 10-15 years would find it a lot more difficult these days.

McShane is the type of forward that excels in the modern game, you need to be able to win it any which way. We have a lot of samey type small skilful forwards but you look at the other top teams and their forward lines are comprised of big, physical and athletic players.
so we shouldn't get excited about young canavan? Too small and light?

It will be difficult for him, I think he will be a lot more useful for Tyrone out around the half forward line as a playmaker rather than a scoring inside forward. If you look around at all the top forwards in the game, there are very few if any with a frame or stature similar to young Canavan.

Mark Devlin is the forward I'm most excited about seeing in the coming years for Tyrone but he's 3/4 years away from playing senior football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on November 15, 2019, 12:26:31 PM
I was talking to someone close to Bradley about a week after he came home from America and they said he wasn't that fussed on going back to the county. That was about 2 months ago however so his mindset could well have changed since then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on November 15, 2019, 12:40:31 PM
Conor McAliskey has no ambition. He clearly isn't interested in adding to his haul of 14 McKenna cups. Or getting relegated from Division 1 or indeed exiting the USFC at the first hurdle before then going on to defeat such giants as Longford, Wexford, and Sligo en route to an AISF defeat to hands of Kerry, Dublin or Mayo.
The question must now be asked, who will play as the fourth left half back now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 15, 2019, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 15, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?

Get your ass kissed at your club about how good you are, which is more often than not true enough to be fair.

Go to county, where you have to do the shit you don't do because the average lads cover you (such as tackle and track). Don't like it, leave.

Fair enough, it's where Tyrone are at - no point yapping about Harte. He won't change. Although inside mark coming in showed that Tyrone can actually play decent stuff with that rule.

Is it in for clubs on that matter does anyone know?

Interesting, never thought of it in that way!!

Heard Daniel Kerr has been called up, probably the pick of the forwards called up!
Not sure if Brennan or Bradley would want to go back!
Probably go back when/if there is ever a different management team? Talking to a few players over the years Harte is quite unapproachable when you are not a household name. Not great for young players if the manager is unapproachable in terms of feedback and getting yourself in the conversation for places.

In my opinion Tyrone are one of the worst counties in Ireland for introducing young talent into seniors. It either doesn't happen, or they are introduced don't perform well enough on their first or second opportunity and left to sit on the bench the whole season, then the confidence takes a hit. I could name at least 10 young players on the current team that this has happened to and god knows how many young players over the years..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 12:54:49 PM
Mc aliskey scored something like 2-41 in 2018 and yet this year his only start was against Dublin in the dead rubber? Any wonder he walked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 15, 2019, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 15, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Is mark Bradley back? Seen him in the paper this week playing soccer. Why is it almost always talented forwards that quit the county panel? Obviously not an enjoyable experience?

Get your ass kissed at your club about how good you are, which is more often than not true enough to be fair.

Go to county, where you have to do the shit you don't do because the average lads cover you (such as tackle and track). Don't like it, leave.

Fair enough, it's where Tyrone are at - no point yapping about Harte. He won't change. Although inside mark coming in showed that Tyrone can actually play decent stuff with that rule.

Is it in for clubs on that matter does anyone know?

Interesting, never thought of it in that way!!

Heard Daniel Kerr has been called up, probably the pick of the forwards called up!
Not sure if Brennan or Bradley would want to go back!
Probably go back when/if there is ever a different management team? Talking to a few players over the years Harte is quite unapproachable when you are not a household name. Not great for young players if the manager is unapproachable in terms of feedback and getting yourself in the conversation for places.

In my opinion Tyrone are one of the worst counties in Ireland for introducing young talent into seniors. It either doesn't happen, or they are introduced don't perform well enough on their first or second opportunity and left to sit on the bench the whole season, then the confidence takes a hit. I could name at least 10 young players on the current team that this has happened to and god knows how many young players over the years..

I would say the opposite, we are a top 4 county at senior level but our success rate is a bit checkered at underage level in the past decade.

We have done very well at introducing young players in recent years. I think we are too quick to blame management for players not delivering, it's up to the player to put his head down and keep working - the ones that do reap the rewards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 01:06:13 PM
Mc aliskey delivered in 2018. His reward? Sub every game this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 12:54:49 PM
Mc aliskey scored something like 2-41 in 2018 and yet this year his only start was against Dublin in the dead rubber? Any wonder he walked.

He missed nearly the entire league campaign with a serious ankle injury and appeared in every Championship game. The qualifier against Cavan was the only championship game he didn't feature in.

The fact is his form was not great last year, he had a good cameo against Antrim but then followed it up with a very poor display in the Donegal game where he struggled to make an impact after being brought on in the first 10 minutes.

I don't think it's a lack of game time that prompted his decision, Harte clearly rates him as an important player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 01:06:13 PM
Mc aliskey delivered in 2018. His reward? Sub every game this year.

Should we be making team selections based on sentiment now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.

Sounds like there is going to be a massive push on from Clonoe next year then.

McClure was one of the players I would have expected to be cut this year, we have lots of midfield options at the minute and he had been usurped by the likes of Kennedy and Richie Donnelly. Hopefully Kilpatrick gets a go, any word on Paudie McNulty gettingba recall?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.

Sounds like there is going to be a massive push on from Clonoe next year then.

McClure was one of the players I would have expected to be cut this year, we have lots of midfield options at the minute and he had been usurped by the likes of Kennedy and Richie Donnelly. Hopefully Kilpatrick gets a go, any word on Paudie McNulty gettingba recall?

Massive boost to the new Clonoe manager....whomever they go for....(still hearing Cassidy is in the running!!!!)

Paudy McNulty had a back operation, I don't know if you'll see the same player...I don't....at this point think he's back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 15, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.

Sounds like there is going to be a massive push on from Clonoe next year then.
This has been coming, few men coming to the end of their careers (Dorris x2, S Mcnulty, PJ) possibly a few more could be added to that list. That, and a poor youth I would imagine they will be pushing hard for the next couple of years to get an O'Neill cup.

The noisy neighbors up the road wouldn't help either.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 15, 2019, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 15, 2019, 01:06:13 PM
Mc aliskey delivered in 2018. His reward? Sub every game this year.

Did you forget to change usernames ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 15, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.

Sounds like there is going to be a massive push on from Clonoe next year then.

McClure was one of the players I would have expected to be cut this year, we have lots of midfield options at the minute and he had been usurped by the likes of Kennedy and Richie Donnelly. Hopefully Kilpatrick gets a go, any word on Paudie McNulty gettingba recall?

Massive boost to the new Clonoe manager....whomever they go for....(still hearing Cassidy is in the running!!!!)

Paudy McNulty had a back operation, I don't know if you'll see the same player...I don't....at this point think he's back.
A pre-condition for Cassidy coming back---NO COUNTY MEN
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on November 15, 2019, 07:56:49 PM
Under 20 championship is earlier this year (AI final supposed to be Paddy's Day) so likely won't see any of last years under 20s that are still underage being called up for the League.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 15, 2019, 09:06:28 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 15, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.

Sounds like there is going to be a massive push on from Clonoe next year then.

McClure was one of the players I would have expected to be cut this year, we have lots of midfield options at the minute and he had been usurped by the likes of Kennedy and Richie Donnelly. Hopefully Kilpatrick gets a go, any word on Paudie McNulty gettingba recall?

Massive boost to the new Clonoe manager....whomever they go for....(still hearing Cassidy is in the running!!!!)

Paudy McNulty had a back operation, I don't know if you'll see the same player...I don't....at this point think he's back.
A pre-condition for Cassidy coming back---NO COUNTY MEN
Stephen McDonnell taking over Clonoe for 2020.
So much for the Cassidy talk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on November 15, 2019, 10:32:22 PM
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Quote from: Dire Ear on November 15, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.

Sounds like there is going to be a massive push on from Clonoe next year then.

McClure was one of the players I would have expected to be cut this year, we have lots of midfield options at the minute and he had been usurped by the likes of Kennedy and Richie Donnelly. Hopefully Kilpatrick gets a go, any word on Paudie McNulty gettingba recall?

Massive boost to the new Clonoe manager....whomever they go for....(still hearing Cassidy is in the running!!!!)

Paudy McNulty had a back operation, I don't know if you'll see the same player...I don't....at this point think he's back.
A pre-condition for Cassidy coming back---NO COUNTY MEN

You nailed that one! :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 15, 2019, 10:32:22 PM
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Quote from: Dire Ear on November 15, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.

Sounds like there is going to be a massive push on from Clonoe next year then.

McClure was one of the players I would have expected to be cut this year, we have lots of midfield options at the minute and he had been usurped by the likes of Kennedy and Richie Donnelly. Hopefully Kilpatrick gets a go, any word on Paudie McNulty gettingba recall?

Massive boost to the new Clonoe manager....whomever they go for....(still hearing Cassidy is in the running!!!!)

Paudy McNulty had a back operation, I don't know if you'll see the same player...I don't....at this point think he's back.
A pre-condition for Cassidy coming back---NO COUNTY MEN

You nailed that one! :)

Can't win them all!

But I did hear certain players veto'd Cassidy with al the talk....if he was in for it or not!   :o :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on November 15, 2019, 10:58:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 15, 2019, 10:32:22 PM
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Quote from: Dire Ear on November 15, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 15, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 15, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Any word if Danny McNulty back in the reckoning then?

Doubt it, from what I hear McClure is going also from panel.

Sounds like there is going to be a massive push on from Clonoe next year then.

McClure was one of the players I would have expected to be cut this year, we have lots of midfield options at the minute and he had been usurped by the likes of Kennedy and Richie Donnelly. Hopefully Kilpatrick gets a go, any word on Paudie McNulty gettingba recall?

Massive boost to the new Clonoe manager....whomever they go for....(still hearing Cassidy is in the running!!!!)

Paudy McNulty had a back operation, I don't know if you'll see the same player...I don't....at this point think he's back.
A pre-condition for Cassidy coming back---NO COUNTY MEN

You nailed that one! :)

Can't win them all!

But I did hear certain players veto'd Cassidy with al the talk....if he was in for it or not!   :o :o

How could any club manager veto players lining out for the county?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 16, 2019, 12:58:10 PM
Not veto.

Cassidy has long had the reputation of "convincing" county players to step away - especially if bit part players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on November 16, 2019, 01:29:25 PM
Had heard Cassidy was sticking around with Cargin for another year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on November 18, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
Any confirmed call ups as of yet? A lot of rumours but I'm sure we'll not find out for sure until 2 weeks time when they are back to training in "public eye" at Garvaghey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Round The House on November 18, 2019, 02:22:05 PM
Quote from: Eastie on November 18, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
Any confirmed call ups as of yet? A lot of rumours but I'm sure we'll not find out for sure until 2 weeks time when they are back to training in "public eye" at Garvaghey

Conn Kilpatrick called up.

Only one I can confirm at present.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 18, 2019, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: Round The House on November 18, 2019, 02:22:05 PM
Quote from: Eastie on November 18, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
Any confirmed call ups as of yet? A lot of rumours but I'm sure we'll not find out for sure until 2 weeks time when they are back to training in "public eye" at Garvaghey

Conn Kilpatrick called up.

Only one I can confirm at present.
Michael O'Neill Ardboe also confirmed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on November 18, 2019, 03:38:14 PM
One Ardboe man in.
One Ardboe man out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 18, 2019, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on November 18, 2019, 03:38:14 PM
One Ardboe man in.
One Ardboe man out.

Coney or Mulgrew?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 19, 2019, 05:55:58 PM
With the rumour mill going - I heard only 3 clubs objected to micky harte continuing at the top table. I heard the names of the clubs but before disclosing, did anyone else hear this and anyone guess the 3 spoken off?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on November 19, 2019, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 19, 2019, 05:55:58 PM
With the rumour mill going - I heard only 3 clubs objected to micky harte continuing at the top table. I heard the names of the clubs but before disclosing, did anyone else hear this and anyone guess the 3 spoken off?

When was it discussed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 19, 2019, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 19, 2019, 05:55:58 PM
With the rumour mill going - I heard only 3 clubs objected to micky harte continuing at the top table. I heard the names of the clubs but before disclosing, did anyone else hear this and anyone guess the 3 spoken off?
sure harte already had next year agreed so not sure what was to be discussed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 19, 2019, 11:02:47 PM
Apologies this was probably prior to the extension. Should have noted that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 20, 2019, 06:00:19 AM
Colm staying on for another year. https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/11/20/news/colm-cavanagh-set-for-another-tyrone-campaign-1770260/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 20, 2019, 08:26:09 AM
Niall Kelly Errigal has gotten the call up.
Conor Quinn and Daniel Kerr from Galbally also.

Congratulations to all.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Round The House on November 20, 2019, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: Jeremiah O on November 18, 2019, 03:38:14 PM
One Ardboe man in.
One Ardboe man out.

Which Ardboe man is out?

I also hear Mark Bradley is back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 20, 2019, 08:54:59 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on November 20, 2019, 08:26:09 AM
Niall Kelly Errigal has gotten the call up.
Conor Quinn and Daniel Kerr from Galbally also.

Congratulations to all.
Conal Grimes of Loughmcrory also!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 20, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
From what's been said on here about the players called up:

Defenders:
Quinn
Kelly
O'Neill
Grimes

Midfield:
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
Kerr

I presume there will be more new faces too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 20, 2019, 09:53:58 AM
Coney and conal Mc cann still there too apparently. Team held a meeting last Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 20, 2019, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 20, 2019, 09:53:58 AM
Coney and conal Mc cann still there too apparently. Team held a meeting last Sunday.

I really don't see it with C McCann.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 20, 2019, 10:09:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 20, 2019, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 20, 2019, 09:53:58 AM
Coney and conal Mc cann still there too apparently. Team held a meeting last Sunday.

I really don't see it with C McCann.

Nobody does, at county level - excellent club player though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 20, 2019, 10:33:40 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on November 13, 2019, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2019, 08:08:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2019, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on November 12, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
Whisper down here Mickey Harte going to loose another couple of players in the next week or 2.....

What part of the county would these boys be from

East Tyrone general direction

You'd be looking at the following players from the East:

C Cavanagh
Loughran
Coney
Cassidy
Mulgrew
McClure
McAliskey
B Burns
F Burns
HP McGeary
K McGeary
Hampsey
McKernan
Morgan
McCurry
Rafferty

The players in bold are ones I wouldn't be surprised if they walked away due to being on the fringe of things or age/injuries.


I added a player in bold for you there...that is the whisper plus cavanagh...

I would bet money that Cavanagh goes nowhere...

I'll put my crystal ball away for another year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 20, 2019, 10:47:19 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 20, 2019, 10:09:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 20, 2019, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 20, 2019, 09:53:58 AM
Coney and conal Mc cann still there too apparently. Team held a meeting last Sunday.

I really don't see it with C McCann.

Nobody does, at county level - excellent club player though.
Excellent is a bit of a stretch, nothing special at all, shouldn't be near a county panel in Ireland and is a mediocre club player. Roasted in both championship games he played this year, marking non county players 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 01:09:47 PM
Conn Kilpatrick - Edendork
Michael O'Neill - Ardboe
Conall Grimes - Loughmacrory
Daniel Kerr - Galbally
Conor Quinn - Galbally
Niall Kelly - Errigal Ciaran
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 20, 2019, 01:43:56 PM
Mainly defenders added again this year, and could possibly add a few more to that list.. Besides the obvious ones (Bradley, Brennan) has everyone else been looked at in the county? Is there anyone obvious missing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on November 20, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
Great to see Colm Cavanagh commit for another year. I was getting worried about who would play as a 3rd centre half back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on November 20, 2019, 03:23:07 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 20, 2019, 01:43:56 PM
Mainly defenders added again this year, and could possibly add a few more to that list.. Besides the obvious ones (Bradley, Brennan) has everyone else been looked at in the county? Is there anyone obvious missing?

If there's better forwards in the county that aren't already there (either this year or in last 2/3 seasons) then i haven't seen them. Don't see any club forward not involved in county set up that's shooting the lights out in Div 1 or 2 and would be worth a go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on November 20, 2019, 04:23:37 PM
Need cover for Hampsey. Out for 6-8 months I hear
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 04:26:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 20, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
From what's been said on here about the players called up:

Defenders:
Quinn
Kelly
O'Neill
Grimes

Midfield:
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
Kerr

I presume there will be more new faces too.
Canavan and Tiarnan Quinn likely after Under 17s finish, which at the latest will be March.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on November 20, 2019, 04:30:10 PM
Quinn won't be joining Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on November 20, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
Quote from: sidelineball on November 20, 2019, 04:23:37 PM
Need cover for Hampsey. Out for 6-8 months I hear
Niall Sludden at 6, was outstanding for Dromore at 6 in the last few games of the league and the semi and final, play him in his best position
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 20, 2019, 07:53:25 PM
Ronan O'Neill is back in the squad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 21, 2019, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it

Would Mackers and O'Donnell have joined the panel if asked and would they have committed to sticking at it for a couple of years? There's a reason Harte's policy is to mainly introduce young players with potential and that's because, even for the likes of these two who are stand out performers at club level, county football is a serious step up. It's rare to find someone who takes to it like a duck to water and has an exceptional first year. Therefore, it would not make sense for Harte to invite someone around the age of 30 to join the panel only for them to throw the head up and leave if they aren't a regular starter in their first year.

For what it's worth Coney (age 28/29) and Grugan (27) were both called up last year and my understanding is they will be back this season. So if they are good enough and prepared to stick at it they will get their chance to join the panel. I'd like to think Grugan will push on this year also, he had a few injury problems last year which didn't help his progress but did well in the Dublin game I thought and was impressive in the club championship when I saw him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2019, 11:19:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 20, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
From what's been said on here about the players called up:

Defenders:
Quinn
Kelly
O'Neill
Grimes

Midfield:
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
Kerr

I presume there will be more new faces too.
Very hard to know what impact these players will have but they will freshen up the squad I suppose.
I don't see ONeill or Kelly as an improvement on what is there, likely just make up the squad players like so many before them. Quinn likely in the same boat for a period but has lot of potential down the line, good to see him called up. Grimes I'm sure will be given plenty of opportunity, but I don't know if he could push Michael McKernan or Frank Burns for a starting place, I would fancy him to jump Tiernan McCann in the pecking order but.
Kilpatrick likely to get plenty of opportunities around the middle, an area with the least depth in the squad. Hopefully does well because we have been poor around the middle at times in recent years.
Kerr should also get chances of being the player off McShane, with Mattie injured and Skeet off the panel. Only leaves him and McCurry at present, would like to see him get a chance. But if the returns of Bradley, Brennan or ONeill happen, it would look like squad player stuff for Kerr to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 21, 2019, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it

Would Mackers and O'Donnell have joined the panel if asked and would they have committed to sticking at it for a couple of years? There's a reason Harte's policy is to mainly introduce young players with potential and that's because, even for the likes of these two who are stand out performers at club level, county football is a serious step up. It's rare to find someone who takes to it like a duck to water and has an exceptional first year. Therefore, it would not make sense for Harte to invite someone around the age of 30 to join the panel only for them to throw the head up and leave if they aren't a regular starter in their first year.

For what it's worth Coney (age 28/29) and Grugan (27) were both called up last year and my understanding is they will be back this season. So if they are good enough and prepared to stick at it they will get their chance to join the panel. I'd like to think Grugan will push on this year also, he had a few injury problems last year which didn't help his progress but did well in the Dublin game I thought and was impressive in the club championship when I saw him.

Would agree with this.

Hopefully Coney and Grugan can make an impression this year.

I'm surprised to see O'Neill back, very much thought that his ship had sailed at intercounty level. I think he badly struggles with the physicality and athleticism required at this level but hopefully if he is back then he can add something extra.

Any word on Lee Brennan, I was very disappointed with the manner he left the team in last year so could understand if Harte hasn't given him the recall.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 11:23:18 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 21, 2019, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it

Would Mackers and O'Donnell have joined the panel if asked and would they have committed to sticking at it for a couple of years? There's a reason Harte's policy is to mainly introduce young players with potential and that's because, even for the likes of these two who are stand out performers at club level, county football is a serious step up. It's rare to find someone who takes to it like a duck to water and has an exceptional first year. Therefore, it would not make sense for Harte to invite someone around the age of 30 to join the panel only for them to throw the head up and leave if they aren't a regular starter in their first year.

For what it's worth Coney (age 28/29) and Grugan (27) were both called up last year and my understanding is they will be back this season. So if they are good enough and prepared to stick at it they will get their chance to join the panel. I'd like to think Grugan will push on this year also, he had a few injury problems last year which didn't help his progress but did well in the Dublin game I thought and was impressive in the club championship when I saw him.

Grugan and Coney called a meeting with Mickey last wkend and asked and have more game time and been promised more game time so they've stayed on, with them aswel they where on it before and Horse had a big say on Coney getting back on. A serious step up yes but not as big as most ppl think, the same step up that Niall Sludden made when he joined when he was the top performer in tyrone club  football at the time and made an immediate impact.
Tbh it shudnt be a matter "if they'll stick around" If certain men can help you win and push on even for 1 year then they shud be on it, if them being on lifts quality in training and matches even for 1 year then they shud be there!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 21, 2019, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it

Would Mackers and O'Donnell have joined the panel if asked and would they have committed to sticking at it for a couple of years? There's a reason Harte's policy is to mainly introduce young players with potential and that's because, even for the likes of these two who are stand out performers at club level, county football is a serious step up. It's rare to find someone who takes to it like a duck to water and has an exceptional first year. Therefore, it would not make sense for Harte to invite someone around the age of 30 to join the panel only for them to throw the head up and leave if they aren't a regular starter in their first year.

For what it's worth Coney (age 28/29) and Grugan (27) were both called up last year and my understanding is they will be back this season. So if they are good enough and prepared to stick at it they will get their chance to join the panel. I'd like to think Grugan will push on this year also, he had a few injury problems last year which didn't help his progress but did well in the Dublin game I thought and was impressive in the club championship when I saw him.

Would agree with this.

Hopefully Coney and Grugan can make an impression this year.

I'm surprised to see O'Neill back, very much thought that his ship had sailed at intercounty level. I think he badly struggles with the physicality and athleticism required at this level but hopefully if he is back then he can add something extra.

Any word on Lee Brennan, I was very disappointed with the manner he left the team in last year so could understand if Harte hasn't given him the recall.
[/b]

Brennan left in the same manner as previous players like McCurry, Coney, Grugan and Oneil
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2019, 11:19:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 20, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
From what's been said on here about the players called up:

Defenders:
Quinn
Kelly
O'Neill
Grimes

Midfield:
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
Kerr

I presume there will be more new faces too.
Very hard to know what impact these players will have but they will freshen up the squad I suppose.
I don't see ONeill or Kelly as an improvement on what is there, likely just make up the squad players like so many before them. Quinn likely in the same boat for a period but has lot of potential down the line, good to see him called up. Grimes I'm sure will be given plenty of opportunity, but I don't know if he could push Michael McKernan or Frank Burns for a starting place, I would fancy him to jump Tiernan McCann in the pecking order but.
Kilpatrick likely to get plenty of opportunities around the middle, an area with the least depth in the squad. Hopefully does well because we have been poor around the middle at times in recent years.
Kerr should also get chances of being the player off McShane, with Mattie injured and Skeet off the panel. Only leaves him and McCurry at present, would like to see him get a chance. But if the returns of Bradley, Brennan or ONeill happen, it would look like squad player stuff for Kerr to.

Quinn looks like he has a year or two of filling out to do before making an impact at this level.

Grimes look physically ready for me, I'd be looking at giving him a go at corner back as he is a very tenacious player and if we're leaving more space at the back then we need men who can hound their marker.

Kelly is not someone who would have been on the radar for me and will likely be the latest player to get abuse because he's from the same club as the manager but let's see how he goes first before passing judgement.

I really rate M O'Neill and feel he could offer a lot in that half back line.

Kilpatrick is the player out of the new names I'd expect to have the biggest chance of playing a meaningful role cone Championship.

I haven't seen a lot of Kerr if I'm honest but certainly worth a look.

I would be hoping the likes of Grugan, Coney, Rafferty and Mulgrew can be making a big push for starting spots this year.

With the possibility/probability of Donnelly and Hampsey missing the league campaign then it opens up big opportunities for these guys.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2019, 11:31:29 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 21, 2019, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it

Would Mackers and O'Donnell have joined the panel if asked and would they have committed to sticking at it for a couple of years? There's a reason Harte's policy is to mainly introduce young players with potential and that's because, even for the likes of these two who are stand out performers at club level, county football is a serious step up. It's rare to find someone who takes to it like a duck to water and has an exceptional first year. Therefore, it would not make sense for Harte to invite someone around the age of 30 to join the panel only for them to throw the head up and leave if they aren't a regular starter in their first year.

For what it's worth Coney (age 28/29) and Grugan (27) were both called up last year and my understanding is they will be back this season. So if they are good enough and prepared to stick at it they will get their chance to join the panel. I'd like to think Grugan will push on this year also, he had a few injury problems last year which didn't help his progress but did well in the Dublin game I thought and was impressive in the club championship when I saw him.

Would agree with this.

Hopefully Coney and Grugan can make an impression this year.

I'm surprised to see O'Neill back, very much thought that his ship had sailed at intercounty level. I think he badly struggles with the physicality and athleticism required at this level but hopefully if he is back then he can add something extra.

Any word on Lee Brennan, I was very disappointed with the manner he left the team in last year so could understand if Harte hasn't given him the recall.

He'll be with Jordanstown until end of Sigerson presumably.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:33:14 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 21, 2019, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it

Would Mackers and O'Donnell have joined the panel if asked and would they have committed to sticking at it for a couple of years? There's a reason Harte's policy is to mainly introduce young players with potential and that's because, even for the likes of these two who are stand out performers at club level, county football is a serious step up. It's rare to find someone who takes to it like a duck to water and has an exceptional first year. Therefore, it would not make sense for Harte to invite someone around the age of 30 to join the panel only for them to throw the head up and leave if they aren't a regular starter in their first year.

For what it's worth Coney (age 28/29) and Grugan (27) were both called up last year and my understanding is they will be back this season. So if they are good enough and prepared to stick at it they will get their chance to join the panel. I'd like to think Grugan will push on this year also, he had a few injury problems last year which didn't help his progress but did well in the Dublin game I thought and was impressive in the club championship when I saw him.

Would agree with this.

Hopefully Coney and Grugan can make an impression this year.

I'm surprised to see O'Neill back, very much thought that his ship had sailed at intercounty level. I think he badly struggles with the physicality and athleticism required at this level but hopefully if he is back then he can add something extra.

Any word on Lee Brennan, I was very disappointed with the manner he left the team in last year so could understand if Harte hasn't given him the recall.
[/b]

Brennan left in the same manner as previous players like McCurry, Coney, Grugan and Oneil

Incorrect, Brennan left mid Championship. Grugan had opted out at the start of the year when he left. Coney walked after the McKenna Cup and both O'Neill and McCurry left after the league. O'Neill's decision was very much an amicable one which he discussed with his manager before opting out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 11:45:41 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:33:14 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 21, 2019, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2019, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: referee on November 20, 2019, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on November 20, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it

Would Mackers and O'Donnell have joined the panel if asked and would they have committed to sticking at it for a couple of years? There's a reason Harte's policy is to mainly introduce young players with potential and that's because, even for the likes of these two who are stand out performers at club level, county football is a serious step up. It's rare to find someone who takes to it like a duck to water and has an exceptional first year. Therefore, it would not make sense for Harte to invite someone around the age of 30 to join the panel only for them to throw the head up and leave if they aren't a regular starter in their first year.

For what it's worth Coney (age 28/29) and Grugan (27) were both called up last year and my understanding is they will be back this season. So if they are good enough and prepared to stick at it they will get their chance to join the panel. I'd like to think Grugan will push on this year also, he had a few injury problems last year which didn't help his progress but did well in the Dublin game I thought and was impressive in the club championship when I saw him.

Would agree with this.

Hopefully Coney and Grugan can make an impression this year.

I'm surprised to see O'Neill back, very much thought that his ship had sailed at intercounty level. I think he badly struggles with the physicality and athleticism required at this level but hopefully if he is back then he can add something extra.

Any word on Lee Brennan, I was very disappointed with the manner he left the team in last year so could understand if Harte hasn't given him the recall.
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Brennan left in the same manner as previous players like McCurry, Coney, Grugan and Oneil

Incorrect, Brennan left mid Championship. Grugan had opted out at the start of the year when he left. Coney walked after the McKenna Cup and both O'Neill and McCurry left after the league. O'Neill's decision was very much an amicable one which he discussed with his manager before opting out.

Ok it is a bit different then, but hardly mattered if mid championship or not when your not involved, different if your a starting player and you walk away, he wasn't getting a look in at any game time at the time, and Im sure Harte wasn't too bothered. Also people speak of the manner he left, maybe he wasn't enjoying it, maybe things in life where hard to handle like with studys, sitting on a bench all the time, missing club football, sitting in at wkends when your club mates are getting to go out, we are all very quick to jump on mens back when different things could be running through their heads, I say fair play to him for walking away from it and leaving to improve. There are men there who we all know aren't not up to it or never will be and they need to go, maybe a few years away for some could help them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 12:01:08 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on November 21, 2019, 11:45:41 AM
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what about this Niall Gavin lad from Derrytresk? I see he's scooped top scorer a few seasons now..what age is he?
he must be 100
He was a Tyrone Minor in 2009. So hes around 27/28.

Harte wont pick him then, the squad isn't picked on quality unfortunately, its picked on mainly you must be under a certain age and have potentional!
Ive been sayin it for years as most the county know, Mackers has to be on it if you want immediate improvement on the squad! In 2017 Conor O'Donnell was the best player in the county and shuda been on it the following year and wasn't, even now he's still Omagh's best player and instead RON is back on it

Would Mackers and O'Donnell have joined the panel if asked and would they have committed to sticking at it for a couple of years? There's a reason Harte's policy is to mainly introduce young players with potential and that's because, even for the likes of these two who are stand out performers at club level, county football is a serious step up. It's rare to find someone who takes to it like a duck to water and has an exceptional first year. Therefore, it would not make sense for Harte to invite someone around the age of 30 to join the panel only for them to throw the head up and leave if they aren't a regular starter in their first year.

For what it's worth Coney (age 28/29) and Grugan (27) were both called up last year and my understanding is they will be back this season. So if they are good enough and prepared to stick at it they will get their chance to join the panel. I'd like to think Grugan will push on this year also, he had a few injury problems last year which didn't help his progress but did well in the Dublin game I thought and was impressive in the club championship when I saw him.

Would agree with this.

Hopefully Coney and Grugan can make an impression this year.

I'm surprised to see O'Neill back, very much thought that his ship had sailed at intercounty level. I think he badly struggles with the physicality and athleticism required at this level but hopefully if he is back then he can add something extra.

Any word on Lee Brennan, I was very disappointed with the manner he left the team in last year so could understand if Harte hasn't given him the recall.
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Brennan left in the same manner as previous players like McCurry, Coney, Grugan and Oneil

Incorrect, Brennan left mid Championship. Grugan had opted out at the start of the year when he left. Coney walked after the McKenna Cup and both O'Neill and McCurry left after the league. O'Neill's decision was very much an amicable one which he discussed with his manager before opting out.

Ok it is a bit different then, but hardly mattered if mid championship or not when your not involved, different if your a starting player and you walk away, he wasn't getting a look in at any game time at the time, and Im sure Harte wasn't too bothered. Also people speak of the manner he left, maybe he wasn't enjoying it, maybe things in life where hard to handle like with studys, sitting on a bench all the time, missing club football, sitting in at wkends when your club mates are getting to go out, we are all very quick to jump on mens back when different things could be running through their heads, I say fair play to him for walking away from it and leaving to improve. There are men there who we all know aren't not up to it or never will be and they need to go, maybe a few years away for some could help them

Brennan should have stayed and battled for a jersey. After the Donegal debacle there would have been a good chance he would have his opportunity. He had started an All Ireland semi final 9 months to dropping off the panel.

I could understand O'Neill's case, he had little of a lookin over the past couple of years and dropped off after discussing it with his manager. I am surprised to see him back though, I think he will be in more or less the same situation but there is no lack of hunger in his case.

With Brennan I see a very talented forward who probably doesn't have the resolve to fight for his shirt. It may be harsh but that's what it looks like from the outside and players should be making that decision from the start of the year. After the league is too late and mid Championship is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 21, 2019, 12:16:50 PM
RON is in the best shape of his life.Hopefully all his extra training will bear fruit.Sometimes a player improves greatly after taking time out like Ronan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 21, 2019, 12:58:19 PM
Angelo, did you call conal Grimes a hound? As in hound of the Baskerville's? Good one.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 21, 2019, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2019, 11:19:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 20, 2019, 09:29:35 AM
From what's been said on here about the players called up:

Defenders:
Quinn
Kelly
O'Neill
Grimes

Midfield:
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
Kerr

I presume there will be more new faces too.
Very hard to know what impact these players will have but they will freshen up the squad I suppose.
I don't see ONeill or Kelly as an improvement on what is there, likely just make up the squad players like so many before them. Quinn likely in the same boat for a period but has lot of potential down the line, good to see him called up. Grimes I'm sure will be given plenty of opportunity, but I don't know if he could push Michael McKernan or Frank Burns for a starting place, I would fancy him to jump Tiernan McCann in the pecking order but.
Kilpatrick likely to get plenty of opportunities around the middle, an area with the least depth in the squad. Hopefully does well because we have been poor around the middle at times in recent years.
Kerr should also get chances of being the player off McShane, with Mattie injured and Skeet off the panel. Only leaves him and McCurry at present, would like to see him get a chance. But if the returns of Bradley, Brennan or ONeill happen, it would look like squad player stuff for Kerr to.

Quinn looks like he has a year or two of filling out to do before making an impact at this level.

Grimes look physically ready for me, I'd be looking at giving him a go at corner back as he is a very tenacious player and if we're leaving more space at the back then we need men who can hound their marker.

Kelly is not someone who would have been on the radar for me and will likely be the latest player to get abuse because he's from the same club as the manager but let's see how he goes first before passing judgement.

I really rate M O'Neill and feel he could offer a lot in that half back line.

Kilpatrick is the player out of the new names I'd expect to have the biggest chance of playing a meaningful role cone Championship.

I haven't seen a lot of Kerr if I'm honest but certainly worth a look.

I would be hoping the likes of Grugan, Coney, Rafferty and Mulgrew can be making a big push for starting spots this year.

With the possibility/probability of Donnelly and Hampsey missing the league campaign then it opens up big opportunities for these guys.
I can't see either Grugan or Coney getting a minute of championship football.. I think they have become traditional Micky squad and training players.

Can M O'Neill offer more than current half backs? I don't think so, could be proved wrong.

I believe Grimes will fit right in, corner back or half back.

Kerr is consistently better than some of the current forwards on the team (McCurry etc.) If he can keep himself injury free he will cause trouble for full backs with himself and McShane
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Will Grimes be the new Ricey?

Looking forward to seeing how he gets on and think he will be good for the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2019, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Will Grimes be the new Ricey?

Looking forward to seeing how he gets on and think he will be good for the team.

Is he not looking at a 4 month ban?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 21, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 21, 2019, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2019, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Will Grimes be the new Ricey?

Looking forward to seeing how he gets on and think he will be good for the team.

Is he not looking at a 4 month ban?

what for?

Is there not a "list" of accusations
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 21, 2019, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 21, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 21, 2019, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2019, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Will Grimes be the new Ricey?

Looking forward to seeing how he gets on and think he will be good for the team.

Is he not looking at a 4 month ban?

what for?

Is there not a "list" of accusations
Be no suspensions now, he will be added to the list that every ref in the county has "protected players" being on this list disables red cards, frees against you and more frees for you. Grimes will fit right in on that list
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 21, 2019, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 21, 2019, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 21, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 21, 2019, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2019, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Will Grimes be the new Ricey?

Looking forward to seeing how he gets on and think he will be good for the team.

Is he not looking at a 4 month ban?

what for?

Is there not a "list" of accusations
Be no suspensions now, he will be added to the list that every ref in the county has "protected players" being on this list disables red cards, frees against you and more frees for you. Grimes will fit right in on that list

I think Conor Gormley was the only county player exempt from that list  ???  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 21, 2019, 03:12:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 21, 2019, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 21, 2019, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 21, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 21, 2019, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2019, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Will Grimes be the new Ricey?

Looking forward to seeing how he gets on and think he will be good for the team.

Is he not looking at a 4 month ban?

what for?

Is there not a "list" of accusations
Be no suspensions now, he will be added to the list that every ref in the county has "protected players" being on this list disables red cards, frees against you and more frees for you. Grimes will fit right in on that list

I think Conor Gormley was the only county player exempt from that list  ???  :-X
I hope that's a joke, if anything he abused the list haha
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on November 21, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 21, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.

More than one I would assume.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on November 21, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 21, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.

More than one I would assume.

You will win nothing with 1 target man. Any injury or double marking and your attacking threat is gone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 21, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 21, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.

Hopefully Donnelly gets back fit and we can leave him inside, I think I'd try Peter Harte inside with McShane for the league and maybe play Sludden from deeper as both struggled last year when we tinkered with our style. I do think we need to start with more of a scoring threat this year.



More than one I would assume.

You will win nothing with 1 target man. Any injury or double marking and your attacking threat is gone

I wouldn't mind seeing a side along the lines of this during the league:

-------------------------------Morgan

Rafferty--------------------McNamee-----------------R Brennan

Cassidy---------------------Sludden------------------K McGeary

-------------------R Donnelly-------Kennedy

Mulgrew--------------------Coney---------------------Meyler

Bradley------------------McShane----------------------Harte

I'd like to see Harte and McShane left inside for the most part, obviously Harte will have the inclination to drift out from time to time which is fine. I don't know if Coney has the legs for this level but I'd like to see him be given a run of games to prove himself, he certainly has qualities that no other player in our squad has, we should allow him to roam around around the 45 and midfield area and see if he can get on the ball and influence the game. I think Bradley is best utilised scheming out around the 45 too where he will get more space. I think his best season with Tyrone was 2015 when he was playing a playmaker and had some great games, particularly the semi final v Kerry.

I think we have made some subtle changes in the past two years to make us a bit more attacking but I think we need to commit more and leave two men inside and two outlets on the 45 for us too. Hoping Mulgrew can stay fit and healthy as he could be a good option at wing forward who can get through a power of work and also capable of chipping in with some scores.

With Hampsey rumoured to miss the league and Donnelly definitely out of it, it will allow certain players to put their hands up as go to men. Need another guy to come out and show himself as a leader, Hampsey did it in 2018, McShane this year, we need another player to really bring on their game next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 11:21:42 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 21, 2019, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 21, 2019, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 21, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 21, 2019, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2019, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Will Grimes be the new Ricey?

Looking forward to seeing how he gets on and think he will be good for the team.

Is he not looking at a 4 month ban?

what for?

Is there not a "list" of accusations
Be no suspensions now, he will be added to the list that every ref in the county has "protected players" being on this list disables red cards, frees against you and more frees for you. Grimes will fit right in on that list

I think Conor Gormley was the only county player exempt from that list  ???  :-X

One of the funniest comments I've read. Fair play.

He use to referee most matches he played in. 😂😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 21, 2019, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 11:21:42 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 21, 2019, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 21, 2019, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 21, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 21, 2019, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 21, 2019, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 21, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Will Grimes be the new Ricey?

Looking forward to seeing how he gets on and think he will be good for the team.

Is he not looking at a 4 month ban?

what for?

Is there not a "list" of accusations
Be no suspensions now, he will be added to the list that every ref in the county has "protected players" being on this list disables red cards, frees against you and more frees for you. Grimes will fit right in on that list

I think Conor Gormley was the only county player exempt from that list  ???  :-X

One of the funniest comments I've read. Fair play.

He use to referee most matches he played in. 😂😂

Ah lads you's seem to have a bad impression of the man! I don't know what yese are on about 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 22, 2019, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 21, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 21, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.

Hopefully Donnelly gets back fit and we can leave him inside, I think I'd try Peter Harte inside with McShane for the league and maybe play Sludden from deeper as both struggled last year when we tinkered with our style. I do think we need to start with more of a scoring threat this year.



More than one I would assume.

You will win nothing with 1 target man. Any injury or double marking and your attacking threat is gone

I wouldn't mind seeing a side along the lines of this during the league:

-------------------------------Morgan

Rafferty--------------------McNamee-----------------R Brennan

Cassidy---------------------Sludden------------------K McGeary

-------------------R Donnelly-------Kennedy

Mulgrew--------------------Coney---------------------Meyler

Bradley------------------McShane----------------------Harte

So you don't plan on using any of the new men in the league? No league football means completely ruled them out for championship. Whats the point in being there if you are going to sit on the bench the whole year? I will go back to my point, Tyrone are extremely bad at getting new lads through. Why not play Benny Gallen in the league? Give Conn a chance in midfield? (Not as if Richie Donnelly has been a revolution) Try out your new players in the league and give them consistent games to get into the flow of the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2019, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 22, 2019, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 21, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 21, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.

Hopefully Donnelly gets back fit and we can leave him inside, I think I'd try Peter Harte inside with McShane for the league and maybe play Sludden from deeper as both struggled last year when we tinkered with our style. I do think we need to start with more of a scoring threat this year.



More than one I would assume.

You will win nothing with 1 target man. Any injury or double marking and your attacking threat is gone

I wouldn't mind seeing a side along the lines of this during the league:

-------------------------------Morgan

Rafferty--------------------McNamee-----------------R Brennan

Cassidy---------------------Sludden------------------K McGeary

-------------------R Donnelly-------Kennedy

Mulgrew--------------------Coney---------------------Meyler

Bradley------------------McShane----------------------Harte

So you don't plan on using any of the new men in the league? No league football means completely ruled them out for championship. Whats the point in being there if you are going to sit on the bench the whole year? I will go back to my point, Tyrone are extremely bad at getting new lads through. Why not play Benny Gallen in the league? Give Conn a chance in midfield? (Not as if Richie Donnelly has been a revolution) Try out your new players in the league and give them consistent games to get into the flow of the team.

Where did I say that? Of course there will be injuries, niggles and suspensions along the way. There will be players who have poor games, players who could come off the bench and make a big impact and others who are going well in training that do well.

There are plenty of players in this current squad who have reaped the rewards in biding their time too.

In that lineup I posted above there are 4 players who saw limited or no  Championship action last year - Rafferty, Mulgrew, Bradley, Coney.

At the end of the day the onus will be on the individual players to force their way into the reckoning and how willing they are to fight for their jersey.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on November 22, 2019, 09:44:55 AM
Great piece on Ronan McNamee in today's Irish News.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on November 22, 2019, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 21, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 21, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.

Hopefully Donnelly gets back fit and we can leave him inside, I think I'd try Peter Harte inside with McShane for the league and maybe play Sludden from deeper as both struggled last year when we tinkered with our style. I do think we need to start with more of a scoring threat this year.



More than one I would assume.

You will win nothing with 1 target man. Any injury or double marking and your attacking threat is gone

I wouldn't mind seeing a side along the lines of this during the league:

-------------------------------Morgan

Rafferty--------------------McNamee-----------------R Brennan

Cassidy---------------------Sludden------------------K McGeary

-------------------R Donnelly-------Kennedy

Mulgrew--------------------Coney---------------------Meyler

Bradley------------------McShane----------------------Harte

I'd like to see Harte and McShane left inside for the most part, obviously Harte will have the inclination to drift out from time to time which is fine. I don't know if Coney has the legs for this level but I'd like to see him be given a run of games to prove himself, he certainly has qualities that no other player in our squad has, we should allow him to roam around around the 45 and midfield area and see if he can get on the ball and influence the game. I think Bradley is best utilised scheming out around the 45 too where he will get more space. I think his best season with Tyrone was 2015 when he was playing a playmaker and had some great games, particularly the semi final v Kerry.

I think we have made some subtle changes in the past two years to make us a bit more attacking but I think we need to commit more and leave two men inside and two outlets on the 45 for us too. Hoping Mulgrew can stay fit and healthy as he could be a good option at wing forward who can get through a power of work and also capable of chipping in with some scores.

With Hampsey rumoured to miss the league and Donnelly definitely out of it, it will allow certain players to put their hands up as go to men. Need another guy to come out and show himself as a leader, Hampsey did it in 2018, McShane this year, we need another player to really bring on their game next year.

No Frank Burns?????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 22, 2019, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: toby47 on November 22, 2019, 09:44:55 AM
Great piece on Ronan McNamee in today's Irish News.

Probably should have kept the drink driving thing to himself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PeterEli on November 22, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: toby47 on November 22, 2019, 09:44:55 AM
Great piece on Ronan McNamee in today's Irish News.

Excellent article, it just goes to show you never know what goes on with lads. You see fellas lambasting players on here with no regards to what is going on behind the scenes, particularly with regards boys walking away from squads, at that stage in someones life football just might not be for them. - on that note for some boys football and team environment can be an escape.

Anyway, brilliant article on Ronan, complete honesty and you can see what a genuine fella he is with respect for those around him, particularly his Mother and Father. Hopefully reading his story can be a light at the end of the tunnel for someone reading.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on November 22, 2019, 11:27:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 21, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 21, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 21, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Given that the advanced mark is coming in this year in Championship I am surprised we haven't brought in Ryan Coleman to have a look at him. We don't have many real standout target man forwards in the county right now. McNulty seems to have went really well over the club Championship but you'd have severe questions over his fitness given his past injury problems.

Not sure on this post but is McShane not the best equipped Target man in the county at the moment ? How many target men do you need.

Hopefully Donnelly gets back fit and we can leave him inside, I think I'd try Peter Harte inside with McShane for the league and maybe play Sludden from deeper as both struggled last year when we tinkered with our style. I do think we need to start with more of a scoring threat this year.



More than one I would assume.

You will win nothing with 1 target man. Any injury or double marking and your attacking threat is gone

I wouldn't mind seeing a side along the lines of this during the league:

-------------------------------Morgan

Rafferty--------------------McNamee-----------------R Brennan

Cassidy---------------------Sludden------------------K McGeary

-------------------R Donnelly-------Kennedy

Mulgrew--------------------Coney---------------------Meyler

Bradley------------------McShane----------------------Harte

I'd like to see Harte and McShane left inside for the most part, obviously Harte will have the inclination to drift out from time to time which is fine. I don't know if Coney has the legs for this level but I'd like to see him be given a run of games to prove himself, he certainly has qualities that no other player in our squad has, we should allow him to roam around around the 45 and midfield area and see if he can get on the ball and influence the game. I think Bradley is best utilised scheming out around the 45 too where he will get more space. I think his best season with Tyrone was 2015 when he was playing a playmaker and had some great games, particularly the semi final v Kerry.

I think we have made some subtle changes in the past two years to make us a bit more attacking but I think we need to commit more and leave two men inside and two outlets on the 45 for us too. Hoping Mulgrew can stay fit and healthy as he could be a good option at wing forward who can get through a power of work and also capable of chipping in with some scores.

With Hampsey rumoured to miss the league and Donnelly definitely out of it, it will allow certain players to put their hands up as go to men. Need another guy to come out and show himself as a leader, Hampsey did it in 2018, McShane this year, we need another player to really bring on their game next year.
Morgan
Quinn McNammee Grimes
Cassidy Brennan Rafferty
Conn/Richie/Kennedy
Meyler Sludden McGeary
Peter Harte McShane Bradley/McCurry
Is what I would like to see. Give the 3 in midfield plenty of opportunities with different combinations to see. From what I saw last year none of our options in there have 70 minutes in them.
Grimes and Quinn most potential of new recruits after Conn and I would like to see them get as much time as possible to develop. Probably not big championship contributors this year but will be in the future. Your more experienced players like Meyler and McGeart can obviously be rotated with McKernan, Burns and so on.
Would like  to see Harte close to goal and playing off McShane, would remove the idea of stopping him from playing to which happens to often when he's out the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on November 22, 2019, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: toby47 on November 22, 2019, 09:44:55 AM
Great piece on Ronan McNamee in today's Irish News.

Agree - very well written piece.
Great lad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Honda300 on November 22, 2019, 08:50:30 PM
Has aidan mccrory still his place on the tyrone squad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 22, 2019, 09:29:25 PM
Was not aware of the whole thing with McNamee, great to see that he got on top of those things and his parents, particularly his mother seems like an absolute saint.

Mickey Harte takes a serious amount of flak from outsiders and sadly from people inside this county but there's plenty of examples like McNamee where he has dealt with very troubled people extremely well and helped them get their lives back on track.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeGoAgain on November 23, 2019, 10:06:14 AM
Is anyone able to share the article on McNamee?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 23, 2019, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: WeGoAgain on November 23, 2019, 10:06:14 AM
Is anyone able to share the article on McNamee?

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/11/22/news/from-darkness-into-light-allstar-ronan-mcnamee-opens-up-on-his-battle-with-depression-1769434/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 23, 2019, 12:17:56 PM
See Horse has been linked or added to the Slaughtneil management team. This can't sit well with the county board who set him up with a nice full time position while he helps ruin the county set up now he's off taking another salary!! Questions have to be asked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 23, 2019, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 23, 2019, 12:17:56 PM
See Horse has been linked or added to the Slaughtneil management team. This can't sit well with the county board who set him up with a nice full time position while he helps ruin the county set up now he's off taking another salary!! Questions have to be asked.

Unless it impacts on his role or the agreed time he is able to give to it then I don't see the issue.

I wouldn't be too comfortable with the whole widespread practice of lads making a mint out of their services for coaching GAA sides which is a major problem across every county in the country at the minute though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on November 24, 2019, 10:46:12 AM
The question that really needs answered is what actually has he done in 12 months of his role?? Absolutely nothing all the good work daly done is gone now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 24, 2019, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on November 24, 2019, 10:46:12 AM
The question that really needs answered is what actually has he done in 12 months of his role?? Absolutely nothing all the good work daly done is gone now


What good work is gone now ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on November 26, 2019, 09:21:56 PM
GAA Master Fixtures released today.

Sun 26 Jan 2pm Omagh - Tyrone v Meath
Sun 2 Feb 2pm Castleblayney - Monaghan v Tyrone
Sun 9 Feb 2pm Omagh - Tyrone v Kerry
Sun 23 Feb 2pm Tuam - Galway v Tyrone
Sat 29 Feb 7.15pm Omagh - Tyrone v Dublin
Sat 14 Mar 7pm Ballybofey - Donegal v Tyrone
Sun 22 Mar 2pm Castlebar - Mayo v Tyrone

Sun 17 May Ulster Quarter Final (Ballybofey) - Donegal v Tyrone
Sat 30 / Sun 31 May Ulster Semi Final - Donegal/Tyrone v Derry/Armagh
Sun 21 June - Ulster Final

Sat 20 June - Qualifier Preliminary Round
Sat 27 June - Qualifier Round 1
Sat 4 July / Sun 5 July - Qualifier Round 2

Sat 11 July / Sun 12 July - Super 8s R1
Sat 18 July / Sun 19 July - Super 8s R2 (2 winners in first Super 8 game play each other, and 2 losers play each other)
Sat 1 Aug / Sun 2 Aug - Super 8s R3

Sat 8 Aug / Sun 9 Aug - All-Ireland Semi Finals

Sun 30 Aug - All-Ireland Final


Big change from last year for us is the Tier 2 taking away 2 rounds of Qualifiers.. the loser of the Donegal-Tyrone game will likely have to wait 6 weeks for their next Championship game, then will have to play 4 weeks in a row, and 6 times in 7 weeks if they are to make the AI Final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 27, 2019, 07:30:20 AM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on November 26, 2019, 09:21:56 PM
GAA Master Fixtures released today.

Sun 26 Jan 2pm Omagh - Tyrone v Meath
Sun 2 Feb 2pm Castleblayney - Monaghan v Tyrone
Sun 9 Feb 2pm Omagh - Tyrone v Kerry
Sun 23 Feb 2pm Tuam - Galway v Tyrone
Sat 29 Feb 7.15pm Omagh - Tyrone v Dublin
Sat 14 Mar 7pm Ballybofey - Donegal v Tyrone
Sun 22 Mar 2pm Castlebar - Mayo v Tyrone

Sun 17 May Ulster Quarter Final (Ballybofey) - Donegal v Tyrone
Sat 30 / Sun 31 May Ulster Semi Final - Donegal/Tyrone v Derry/Armagh
Sun 21 June - Ulster Final

Sat 20 June - Qualifier Preliminary Round
Sat 27 June - Qualifier Round 1
Sat 4 July / Sun 5 July - Qualifier Round 2

Sat 11 July / Sun 12 July - Super 8s R1
Sat 18 July / Sun 19 July - Super 8s R2 (2 winners in first Super 8 game play each other, and 2 losers play each other)
Sat 1 Aug / Sun 2 Aug - Super 8s R3

Sat 8 Aug / Sun 9 Aug - All-Ireland Semi Finals

Sun 30 Aug - All-Ireland Final


Big change from last year for us is the Tier 2 taking away 2 rounds of Qualifiers.. the loser of the Donegal-Tyrone game will likely have to wait 6 weeks for their next Championship game, then will have to play 4 weeks in a row, and 6 times in 7 weeks if they are to make the AI Final

How will the qualifiers work this year?

Say Tyrone exit Ulster against Donegal, who are there potential opponents in the first qualifier round?

Once the likes of Cork, Derry or Down lose in their provincial Championship do they go straight into the Tier 2 Championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 27, 2019, 08:24:08 AM
My understanding is that only teams that are effectively division 1 or 2 teams for 2021 will be eligible to compete in the qualifiers next year (unless they make their provincial final). So if Derry Down or Cork get promoted from division 3 they will be able to enter the qualifiers. I think it's a bad idea but will make division 2 and 3 in the league very interesting next year.

Looking at the schedule it is much more promising for getting the club league games played next year than this year - with no preliminary round and less qualifier games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 27, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Are the new rules for next year also applicable for club?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 27, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 27, 2019, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 27, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Are the new rules for next year also applicable for club?

No more draws allowed in the league, 2 points settled by a last man standing match

Invaluable as always. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 27, 2019, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 27, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 27, 2019, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 27, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Are the new rules for next year also applicable for club?

No more draws allowed in the league, 2 points settled by a last man standing match

Invaluable as always. Thanks.
Taxes, death and topsoil to be a cheeky bollox
3 Certs in life
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 27, 2019, 02:21:12 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 27, 2019, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 27, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on November 27, 2019, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 27, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Are the new rules for next year also applicable for club?

No more draws allowed in the league, 2 points settled by a last man standing match

Invaluable as always. Thanks.
Taxes, death and topsoil to be a cheeky bollox
3 Certs in life

Strange considering his linked website and declared as a Derrylaughan man....doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who he is....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.

Harte raised the bar for Tyrone football and is now judged under that (unfairly so).

If you look at teams that have won All Ireland's since Tyrone last won one.

Kerry (09 and 14)
Cork (10)
Donegal (12)
Dublin (11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)

2 All Irelands in 11 years would be deemed a very poor return down in Kerry as they are the traditional powerhouses of the game along with Dublin.
Cork have fallen away to ridicule and embarrassment since they last won an AI.
Donegal are more or less at the same level as Tyrone are currently and managed to stay at the top but Tyrone have maintained that over a decade and a complete overhaul of their glory years.

You take a look at counties like Derry, Down, Armagh, Galway, Meath etc and how far they have fallen from grace after their glory days of the 90s/00s and I think Tyrone can be grateful that they have remained relevant.

The defeat for Galbally means that we will now have a full pack for the McKenna Cup so Quinn and Kerr will get their chance to impress before the league.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 01, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.

Harte raised the bar for Tyrone football and is now judged under that (unfairly so).

If you look at teams that have won All Ireland's since Tyrone last won one.

Kerry (09 and 14)
Cork (10)
Donegal (12)
Dublin (11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)

2 All Irelands in 11 years would be deemed a very poor return down in Kerry as they are the traditional powerhouses of the game along with Dublin.
Cork have fallen away to ridicule and embarrassment since they last won an AI.
Donegal are more or less at the same level as Tyrone are currently and managed to stay at the top but Tyrone have maintained that over a decade and a complete overhaul of their glory years.

You take a look at counties like Derry, Down, Armagh, Galway, Meath etc and how far they have fallen from grace after their glory days of the 90s/00s and I think Tyrone can be grateful that they have remained relevant.

The defeat for Galbally means that we will now have a full pack for the McKenna Cup so Quinn and Kerr will get their chance to impress before the league.

2 x All Irelands for Kerry and how many times have they changed manager since 09??
While Tyrone stick to a dinosaur of the game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 01, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.

Harte raised the bar for Tyrone football and is now judged under that (unfairly so).

If you look at teams that have won All Ireland's since Tyrone last won one.

Kerry (09 and 14)
Cork (10)
Donegal (12)
Dublin (11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)

2 All Irelands in 11 years would be deemed a very poor return down in Kerry as they are the traditional powerhouses of the game along with Dublin.
Cork have fallen away to ridicule and embarrassment since they last won an AI.
Donegal are more or less at the same level as Tyrone are currently and managed to stay at the top but Tyrone have maintained that over a decade and a complete overhaul of their glory years.

You take a look at counties like Derry, Down, Armagh, Galway, Meath etc and how far they have fallen from grace after their glory days of the 90s/00s and I think Tyrone can be grateful that they have remained relevant.

The defeat for Galbally means that we will now have a full pack for the McKenna Cup so Quinn and Kerr will get their chance to impress before the league.

2 x All Irelands for Kerry and how many times have they changed manager since 09??
While Tyrone stick to a dinosaur of the game

You are comparing Kerry with Tyrone, there is a seismic gap in terms of tradition.

Mickey Harte is the only manager who was able to bridge that gap. Changing managers did not do much good for the likes of Galway, Armagh, Meath, Down or Derry now did it? It didn't bring Mayo any closer. I think the bottom line is that for the past decade we just haven't had the players, simple as that.

The team of the decade has cropped up in recent years, I can't think of a single Tyrone player who would be close to getting on it.

But blame the manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 02, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 01, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.

Harte raised the bar for Tyrone football and is now judged under that (unfairly so).

If you look at teams that have won All Ireland's since Tyrone last won one.

Kerry (09 and 14)
Cork (10)
Donegal (12)
Dublin (11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)

2 All Irelands in 11 years would be deemed a very poor return down in Kerry as they are the traditional powerhouses of the game along with Dublin.
Cork have fallen away to ridicule and embarrassment since they last won an AI.
Donegal are more or less at the same level as Tyrone are currently and managed to stay at the top but Tyrone have maintained that over a decade and a complete overhaul of their glory years.

You take a look at counties like Derry, Down, Armagh, Galway, Meath etc and how far they have fallen from grace after their glory days of the 90s/00s and I think Tyrone can be grateful that they have remained relevant.

The defeat for Galbally means that we will now have a full pack for the McKenna Cup so Quinn and Kerr will get their chance to impress before the league.

2 x All Irelands for Kerry and how many times have they changed manager since 09??
While Tyrone stick to a dinosaur of the game

You are comparing Kerry with Tyrone, there is a seismic gap in terms of tradition.

Mickey Harte is the only manager who was able to bridge that gap. Changing managers did not do much good for the likes of Galway, Armagh, Meath, Down or Derry now did it? It didn't bring Mayo any closer. I think the bottom line is that for the past decade we just haven't had the players, simple as that.

The team of the decade has cropped up in recent years, I can't think of a single Tyrone player who would be close to getting on it.

But blame the manager.

We've lost All Irelands with Harte in charge. Certainly the losses in 06 and 07 and quite possibly against Cork in 2010.
I'd say he has cost us more than he has won.

Although the 46 McKenna cups is certainly unrivalled. Beating the likes of Queen's University and Monaghan 4ths is to be commended. Showing a real ruthless streak by not allowing the Universities best players to play against Tyrone by threatening them with being axed from the Tyrone panel. A leader. A visionary. 20 more years please!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on December 02, 2019, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 02, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 01, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.

Harte raised the bar for Tyrone football and is now judged under that (unfairly so).

If you look at teams that have won All Ireland's since Tyrone last won one.

Kerry (09 and 14)
Cork (10)
Donegal (12)
Dublin (11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)

2 All Irelands in 11 years would be deemed a very poor return down in Kerry as they are the traditional powerhouses of the game along with Dublin.
Cork have fallen away to ridicule and embarrassment since they last won an AI.
Donegal are more or less at the same level as Tyrone are currently and managed to stay at the top but Tyrone have maintained that over a decade and a complete overhaul of their glory years.

You take a look at counties like Derry, Down, Armagh, Galway, Meath etc and how far they have fallen from grace after their glory days of the 90s/00s and I think Tyrone can be grateful that they have remained relevant.

The defeat for Galbally means that we will now have a full pack for the McKenna Cup so Quinn and Kerr will get their chance to impress before the league.

2 x All Irelands for Kerry and how many times have they changed manager since 09??
While Tyrone stick to a dinosaur of the game

You are comparing Kerry with Tyrone, there is a seismic gap in terms of tradition.

Mickey Harte is the only manager who was able to bridge that gap. Changing managers did not do much good for the likes of Galway, Armagh, Meath, Down or Derry now did it? It didn't bring Mayo any closer. I think the bottom line is that for the past decade we just haven't had the players, simple as that.

The team of the decade has cropped up in recent years, I can't think of a single Tyrone player who would be close to getting on it.

But blame the manager.

We've lost All Irelands with Harte in charge. Certainly the losses in 06 and 07 and quite possibly against Cork in 2010.
I'd say he has cost us more than he has won.

Although the 46 McKenna cups is certainly unrivalled. Beating the likes of Queen's University and Monaghan 4ths is to be commended. Showing a real ruthless streak by not allowing the Universities best players to play against Tyrone by threatening them with being axed from the Tyrone panel. A leader. A visionary. 20 more years please!!

That's the problem there with so many Tyrone fans. Unrealistic expectations. There was an excellent Kerry team in the 00's and Tyrone stood toe to toe with them for the majority of the decade.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 02, 2019, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 02, 2019, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 02, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 01, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.

Harte raised the bar for Tyrone football and is now judged under that (unfairly so).

If you look at teams that have won All Ireland's since Tyrone last won one.

Kerry (09 and 14)
Cork (10)
Donegal (12)
Dublin (11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)

2 All Irelands in 11 years would be deemed a very poor return down in Kerry as they are the traditional powerhouses of the game along with Dublin.
Cork have fallen away to ridicule and embarrassment since they last won an AI.
Donegal are more or less at the same level as Tyrone are currently and managed to stay at the top but Tyrone have maintained that over a decade and a complete overhaul of their glory years.

You take a look at counties like Derry, Down, Armagh, Galway, Meath etc and how far they have fallen from grace after their glory days of the 90s/00s and I think Tyrone can be grateful that they have remained relevant.

The defeat for Galbally means that we will now have a full pack for the McKenna Cup so Quinn and Kerr will get their chance to impress before the league.

2 x All Irelands for Kerry and how many times have they changed manager since 09??
While Tyrone stick to a dinosaur of the game

You are comparing Kerry with Tyrone, there is a seismic gap in terms of tradition.

Mickey Harte is the only manager who was able to bridge that gap. Changing managers did not do much good for the likes of Galway, Armagh, Meath, Down or Derry now did it? It didn't bring Mayo any closer. I think the bottom line is that for the past decade we just haven't had the players, simple as that.

The team of the decade has cropped up in recent years, I can't think of a single Tyrone player who would be close to getting on it.

But blame the manager.

We've lost All Irelands with Harte in charge. Certainly the losses in 06 and 07 and quite possibly against Cork in 2010.
I'd say he has cost us more than he has won.

Although the 46 McKenna cups is certainly unrivalled. Beating the likes of Queen's University and Monaghan 4ths is to be commended. Showing a real ruthless streak by not allowing the Universities best players to play against Tyrone by threatening them with being axed from the Tyrone panel. A leader. A visionary. 20 more years please!!

That's the problem there with so many Tyrone fans. Unrealistic expectations. There was an excellent Kerry team in the 00's and Tyrone stood toe to toe with them for the majority of the decade.

Yes. Beating Kerry an achievement, but why overlook easy losses to Derry, Laois, Donegal, Cork, Meath?
He's cost Tyrone more than he has won. He has done nothing of note in 11 years. We haven't beaten any team of note since 2008.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on December 02, 2019, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 02, 2019, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 02, 2019, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 02, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 01, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.

Harte raised the bar for Tyrone football and is now judged under that (unfairly so).

If you look at teams that have won All Ireland's since Tyrone last won one.

Kerry (09 and 14)
Cork (10)
Donegal (12)
Dublin (11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)

2 All Irelands in 11 years would be deemed a very poor return down in Kerry as they are the traditional powerhouses of the game along with Dublin.
Cork have fallen away to ridicule and embarrassment since they last won an AI.
Donegal are more or less at the same level as Tyrone are currently and managed to stay at the top but Tyrone have maintained that over a decade and a complete overhaul of their glory years.

You take a look at counties like Derry, Down, Armagh, Galway, Meath etc and how far they have fallen from grace after their glory days of the 90s/00s and I think Tyrone can be grateful that they have remained relevant.

The defeat for Galbally means that we will now have a full pack for the McKenna Cup so Quinn and Kerr will get their chance to impress before the league.

2 x All Irelands for Kerry and how many times have they changed manager since 09??
While Tyrone stick to a dinosaur of the game

You are comparing Kerry with Tyrone, there is a seismic gap in terms of tradition.

Mickey Harte is the only manager who was able to bridge that gap. Changing managers did not do much good for the likes of Galway, Armagh, Meath, Down or Derry now did it? It didn't bring Mayo any closer. I think the bottom line is that for the past decade we just haven't had the players, simple as that.

The team of the decade has cropped up in recent years, I can't think of a single Tyrone player who would be close to getting on it.

But blame the manager.

We've lost All Irelands with Harte in charge. Certainly the losses in 06 and 07 and quite possibly against Cork in 2010.
I'd say he has cost us more than he has won.

Although the 46 McKenna cups is certainly unrivalled. Beating the likes of Queen's University and Monaghan 4ths is to be commended. Showing a real ruthless streak by not allowing the Universities best players to play against Tyrone by threatening them with being axed from the Tyrone panel. A leader. A visionary. 20 more years please!!

That's the problem there with so many Tyrone fans. Unrealistic expectations. There was an excellent Kerry team in the 00's and Tyrone stood toe to toe with them for the majority of the decade.

Yes. Beating Kerry an achievement, but why overlook easy losses to Derry, Laois, Donegal, Cork, Meath?
He's cost Tyrone more than he has won. He has done nothing of note in 11 years. We haven't beaten any team of note since 2008.
It's a pointless argument. There's no way of gauging what he has cost us and what he has won for Tyrone. We might not have got the three we did get without him. There's a lot of other teams who haven't beaten anyone of note since 2008. From 2010 to 2017 we didn't have a top squad. I actually think MH overachieved those years by keeping us competitive. Might be time to go now, but I believe we'll go backwards when he does go. But at least that might realign some supporters expectations.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 02, 2019, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 02, 2019, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 02, 2019, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 02, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 01, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: clarshack on December 01, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 30, 2019, 09:25:07 PM
In Dublin manager wins 6 all Ireland's in 7 seasons steps aside

Meanwhile in Tyrone..........  :o

When Mickey goes he will likely pass the torch onto Mark, so he will not really be gone anyway.

It's depressing as fcuk to be a Tyrone supporter especially when you know the potential of what could be otherwise.

We're currently a top 4/5 team in Ireland. What is this potential that suggests we're better than the counties above us? U20/U21 is the grade to me that suggests what players are coming through. Ignoring last years u20 Ulster win as players not through yet we've only won one Ulster and all Ireland in the last 13 years. Dublin have dominated Leinster and picked up 4 all Ireland's.

How many Tyrone players would currently make the Dublin team?

Even at club level our champions consistently struggle outside Tyrone. Where is the evidence that Harte should be doing better than he is?

We're also spending less money than the other top counties on the county team which is another disadvantage.

Harte raised the bar for Tyrone football and is now judged under that (unfairly so).

If you look at teams that have won All Ireland's since Tyrone last won one.

Kerry (09 and 14)
Cork (10)
Donegal (12)
Dublin (11, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)

2 All Irelands in 11 years would be deemed a very poor return down in Kerry as they are the traditional powerhouses of the game along with Dublin.
Cork have fallen away to ridicule and embarrassment since they last won an AI.
Donegal are more or less at the same level as Tyrone are currently and managed to stay at the top but Tyrone have maintained that over a decade and a complete overhaul of their glory years.

You take a look at counties like Derry, Down, Armagh, Galway, Meath etc and how far they have fallen from grace after their glory days of the 90s/00s and I think Tyrone can be grateful that they have remained relevant.

The defeat for Galbally means that we will now have a full pack for the McKenna Cup so Quinn and Kerr will get their chance to impress before the league.

2 x All Irelands for Kerry and how many times have they changed manager since 09??
While Tyrone stick to a dinosaur of the game

You are comparing Kerry with Tyrone, there is a seismic gap in terms of tradition.

Mickey Harte is the only manager who was able to bridge that gap. Changing managers did not do much good for the likes of Galway, Armagh, Meath, Down or Derry now did it? It didn't bring Mayo any closer. I think the bottom line is that for the past decade we just haven't had the players, simple as that.

The team of the decade has cropped up in recent years, I can't think of a single Tyrone player who would be close to getting on it.

But blame the manager.

We've lost All Irelands with Harte in charge. Certainly the losses in 06 and 07 and quite possibly against Cork in 2010.
I'd say he has cost us more than he has won.

Although the 46 McKenna cups is certainly unrivalled. Beating the likes of Queen's University and Monaghan 4ths is to be commended. Showing a real ruthless streak by not allowing the Universities best players to play against Tyrone by threatening them with being axed from the Tyrone panel. A leader. A visionary. 20 more years please!!

That's the problem there with so many Tyrone fans. Unrealistic expectations. There was an excellent Kerry team in the 00's and Tyrone stood toe to toe with them for the majority of the decade.

Yes. Beating Kerry an achievement, but why overlook easy losses to Derry, Laois, Donegal, Cork, Meath?
He's cost Tyrone more than he has won. He has done nothing of note in 11 years. We haven't beaten any team of note since 2008.

Nothing of note in 11 years? We won 4 ulster titles since 2009. To put that into context Tyrone won 1 ulster title in the 70's, 3 in the 80's and 2 in the 90's.

On 4 occasions we didn't win the ulster title we qualified for all Ireland semi finals via the backdoor and on another occasion we reached the All Ireland final.

Some serious unrealistic expectations on here. As someone else pointed out it would be hard to make an argument for the inclusion of any of the Tyrone players to make the team of the decade.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 02, 2019, 03:11:39 PM
Also in the same 11 year period more worryingly we only won 2 ulster minor titles (plus the one u17 one off competition which not all teams fielded their top teams) and 2 ulster u20/u21 titles. So our seniors actually won twice as many ulster's as we won at the 2 underage grades (though the u21's did deliver an all Ireland). That lack of success was achieved with multiple managers. Yet despite all the Mickey Harte bashing on the senior record there is little or no talk how we have regressed at these levels. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 02, 2019, 08:53:42 PM
With all this 'success' Tyrone has been having, I wonder why attendances are so low, general apathy towards the county team, and generally hated by the rest of the country? It's a real head scratcher.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 02, 2019, 09:37:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 02, 2019, 08:53:42 PM
With all this 'success' Tyrone has been having, I wonder why attendances are so low, general apathy towards the county team, and generally hated by the rest of the country? It's a real head scratcher.

It's not just Tyrone this is the case in, it's every county. Dublin's domination has destroyed football, a two tier abomination comes into effect next year. The game is gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 11:39:01 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 02, 2019, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Citation needed!

Annual Report released this evening there online. Has all nominations/motions in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on December 03, 2019, 09:19:48 AM
Nothing was lost by Harte in 2006, was the worst year I have seen injury wise to key men. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 03, 2019, 10:24:15 AM
Martin Sludden surely not retiring from Refereeing still in the top 4 in Tyrone.He certainly would shake things up at Board level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 03, 2019, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Good Jesus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on December 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 03, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on December 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM



Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.

Agree with this, I hope it happens
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 04, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 03, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on December 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM



Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.

Agree with this, I hope it happens

You know what. If he fixes the fixtures then good luck to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2019, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 04, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 03, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on December 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM



Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.

Agree with this, I hope it happens

You know what. If he fixes the fixtures then good luck to him.

I think the fixtures are largely unfixable unless fixed at National level.

There are exceptions. Reserve football might need decoupled from senior and the odd double fixture required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 04, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
There will still be issues but the fixtures should be less of a problem next year. As Tyrone aren't in the preliminary round in ulster next year, there is 7 weekends between the last round of NFL (assuming Tyrone don't make the final) and the first round game v Donegal. That should allow 6 league fixtures to be played.

If Tyrone lose that and enter the qualifiers there potentially wont be another Tyrone game until near the end of June allowing 3 more games to be played. Even if they win I think there is still another 1 or 2 slots in between county games to get matches played. There also isn't any u20 county matches during the summer next year so the majority of starred games can be saved for then.

If all goes to plan and fixtures done properly most if not all of the regular league games should be wrapped up pre championship next year. If Tyrone lose to Donegal in ulster there definitely won't be any excuses for them not to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PeterEli on December 05, 2019, 04:18:56 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 04, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
There will still be issues but the fixtures should be less of a problem next year. As Tyrone aren't in the preliminary round in ulster next year, there is 7 weekends between the last round of NFL (assuming Tyrone don't make the final) and the first round game v Donegal. That should allow 6 league fixtures to be played.

If Tyrone lose that and enter the qualifiers there potentially wont be another Tyrone game until near the end of June allowing 3 more games to be played. Even if they win I think there is still another 1 or 2 slots in between county games to get matches played. There also isn't any u20 county matches during the summer next year so the majority of starred games can be saved for then.

If all goes to plan and fixtures done properly most if not all of the regular league games should be wrapped up pre championship next year. If Tyrone lose to Donegal in ulster there definitely won't be any excuses for them not to be.

With all this considered and a master fixture schedule released from the GAA with all weekends/dates known should it not be possible for our county board to do the same? Release a fixture planner, obviously, there would need to be different versions with possible outcomes but surely some sense of when games are going to be played is better than none for the club players.

Tyrone county master fixtures planner could look like:
A) Tyrone beaten in the first round of Ulster knocked out in super 8's or beaten in All-Ireland semi. 
B) Ulster champions knocked out in super 8's or beaten in All-Ireland semi.
C) Tyrone beaten in first round of Ulster, All-Ireland finalists.
D) Ulster champions, All-Ireland finalist.

4 different schedules are obviously a lot of work, but most weekends will overlap with only some tweaking involved. All Ireland semi-final is usually a week after super 8's so no need for different plans in place there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 05, 2019, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2019, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 04, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 03, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on December 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM



Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.

Agree with this, I hope it happens

You know what. If he fixes the fixtures then good luck to him.

I think the fixtures are largely unfixable unless fixed at National level.

There are exceptions. Reserve football might need decoupled from senior and the odd double fixture required.

Think the last roll of the dice for reserves is to make it a localised league. Otherwise it's over and we shouldn't underestimate the effect of a collapse of reserve football in the GAA.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on December 05, 2019, 10:58:16 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2019, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 04, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 03, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on December 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM



Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.

Agree with this, I hope it happens

You know what. If he fixes the fixtures then good luck to him.

I think the fixtures are largely unfixable unless fixed at National level.

There are exceptions. Reserve football might need decoupled from senior and the odd double fixture required.

I dont think there is any doubt that this needs to happen
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 06, 2019, 11:13:39 AM
Harte in Irish news today reckons Dublin will be even better with new manager. " New managers and new setups always bring an injection of something to every team, and so imagine bringing an injection to Dublin, what they'd be like" the f**king irony of this. What a bollock.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on December 06, 2019, 11:21:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 06, 2019, 11:13:39 AM
Harte in Irish news today reckons Dublin will be even better with new manager. " New managers and new setups always bring an injection of something to every team, and so imagine bringing an injection to Dublin, what they'd be like" the f**king irony of this. What a bollock.

STG I think he did that deliberately knowing you would blow a head gasket  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 06, 2019, 11:23:23 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 06, 2019, 11:13:39 AM
Harte in Irish news today reckons Dublin will be even better with new manager. " New managers and new setups always bring an injection of something to every team, and so imagine bringing an injection to Dublin, what they'd be like" the f**king irony of this. What a bollock.

The man has no shame.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on December 06, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 06, 2019, 11:13:39 AM
Harte in Irish news today reckons Dublin will be even better with new manager. " New managers and new setups always bring an injection of something to every team, and so imagine bringing an injection to Dublin, what they'd be like" the f**king irony of this. What a bollock.

He's done you up a kipper here mate (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on December 06, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on December 06, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 06, 2019, 11:13:39 AM
Harte in Irish news today reckons Dublin will be even better with new manager. " New managers and new setups always bring an injection of something to every team, and so imagine bringing an injection to Dublin, what they'd be like" the f**king irony of this. What a bollock.

He's done you up a kipper here mate (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)

;D

He whispered - this one is for STG and trailer after it I heard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 06, 2019, 11:46:53 AM
Let's hope the county board quote that paragraph to harte when he getting the P45 next autumn.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 11, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 04, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 03, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on December 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM



Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.

Agree with this, I hope it happens

You know what. If he fixes the fixtures then good luck to him.

I see Sludden was elected. Next up, a motion to ban anyone from Louth visiting Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on December 11, 2019, 01:57:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 11, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 04, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 03, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on December 03, 2019, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2019, 10:30:45 PM



Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.

Agree with this, I hope it happens

You know what. If he fixes the fixtures then good luck to him.

I see Sludden was elected. Next up, a motion to ban anyone from Louth visiting Tyrone.
Wonder if Sludden is a Harte Bandwagoner, or has he a bit of sense?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 11, 2019, 02:30:16 PM
If Martin Sludden the County Board Elected Official is anything like Martin Sludden the referee, he won't give a sh**e about upsetting anyone, the word elected however means it'll be more of the same one suspects.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 12, 2019, 11:46:20 AM
Irish News, pick of Tyrone last 20 years.


TYRONE
1
Pascal McConnell
OF the 15 spots on the team, none has greater competition. But that's nothing new to Packie McConnell, whose whole career was spent battling with John Devine for the number one slot. They shared it back and forward from 2003 – when it was Devine's – through to Niall Morgan emerged in 2013. McConnell played in their other two finals and was just that fraction more distinctive in his shot-stopping.

2
Ryan McMenamin
HIS unmistakability always made McMenamin stand out from the crowd that little bit more. The hair, the beard, the wiryness. Mostly, though, you'd have recognised him because he was in the personal space of whomever he was sent to mark. Ricey was tireless in his duties, and the pace and energy he brought to the counter-attack all the way from corner-back was like a look into the future.

3
Cormac McAnallen
McANALLEN was shaping as a promising midfielder but as the 2003 campaign went on, Tyrone just couldn't scratch the itch they had at full-back. Mickey Harte called on the Eglish man to drop back after Down bombarded them with high ball in the drawn Ulster final. It had the ultimate transformative impact on their season as he collected an All-Ireland medal and an Allstar. Named captain for the following season before tragedy struck and robbed Tyrone football of one of its brightest lights.

4
Joe McMahon
BIG Joe was one of Mickey Harte's best, most reliable and most versatile soldiers. Won his two All-Irelands at full-back and yet rarely spent a day in between playing at number three. Going from scoring 1-1 against Dublin in the '08 quarter-final to teaming up with brother Justy and doing the famous Twin Towers job on Kieran Donaghy and Tommy Walsh was the ultimate display of his adaptability.

5
Mattie Donnelly
WITH the team being revamped after 2013, the Trillick man has been a mainstay of everything they've become since. As they became so proficient in the running game, Donnelly was at the heart of it. When they needed to find something different, they moved the two-time Allstar into the attack and he provided it. He's a brilliant sweeper but a far more effective man when Tyrone get him on the ball near goal. He gets in ahead of current team-mate Peter Harte.

6
Conor Gormley
SURE the block itself is enough to justify The Block himself, but in a way boiling his career down to even such a monumental moment in time undermines just how good Gormley was. Whether it was as an orthodox six, at full-back or as the sweeper, Gormley stood out a mile for his reading of the game and the bravery he brought to proceedings. There weren't too many ever got the better of the Carrickmore man, who won Allstars in all three All-Ireland winning years.

7
Philip Jordan
IN the discussion around the great wing-backs, Philip Jordan's career will stand up alongside any of them. He contributed 2-16 in championship games between 2003 and 2010, but while he was a good finisher, it was a lot more. The defensive side of his game wasn't always given its due credit, but it was often hidden by the shadow of his attacking abilities. Four Allstars made him the most decorated of all the Tyrone defenders from that era, which says it all.

8
Sean Cavanagh
COMING off the successful minor and under-21 teams, Cavanagh's introduction to the team was pivotal to Tyrone getting across the line in 2003. Went on to have a magnificent career that included five Allstars and the Footballer of the Year award as he led them to a third crown in '08. At his best coming from deep, bamboozling defenders with that trademark shimmy. Was still a leading light right up until retirement in 2017.

9
Colm Cavanagh
IT took him a long time to emerge from his brother's shadow but over the past few years, Colm Cavanagh has become Tyrone's ultimate leader. Developed into a fine midfielder but it was in dropping into the sweeping role that he really came to national prominence, winning two Allstars. Alternating between the two roles, he has pinned the whole thing together in both defence and midfield. It's a coin toss to put him ahead of the grossly unfortunate Kevin Hughes.

10
Brian Dooher
AT the time, Dooher seemed almost like a freak of nature. Strong, robust, it was the quiet way that he just seemed to pop up on every loose ball going, no matter whether it fell in front of Tyrone's goal or out on the sideline or on the edge of the 'D'. The famous point against Kerry, bouncing his way down the sideline off men, was so special in that it boiled him down into 12 seconds. Another who excelled in the big years, winning Allstars in '03, '05 and '08.

11
Brian McGuigan
IT'S as if the traditional number 11 role died when McGuigan faded off the inter-county scene. The Ardboe man ghosted around looking for ball and when he got it facing the opposition's goal, he could almost anything he wanted with it. His vision, his passing ability, his decision-making, they were all exemplary. An Allstar in '03, his decision to return home from Oz to play in '05 was massive for Tyrone.

12
Enda McGinley
NO matter what job Mickey Harte asked him to do, McGinley did it with the minimum of fuss. Most of the time, it was operating out as the third midfielder, where he'd find himself on mountains of ball. At times he was asked to play as an orthodox midfield man, most notably in 2008, when he did it so well that he ended up with his sole Allstar. Went on a great scoring run that year. The kind of player every team needs.

13
Owen Mulligan
HE wasn't always the most consistent but when Mulligan was good, he was brilliant. Scored one of the great all-time goals against Dublin in 2005, which was all the more significant because Tyrone seemed in such bother in the game. Being named man of the match in that year's final capped his best season, which had seen him dropped in early summer and go on to win his Allstar. A brilliant finisher, he could go off right or left, and always had that eye for goal.

14
Peter Canavan
FROM scoring ridiculous tallies with efforts from impossible angles and of ludicrous levels of difficulty, as well as his ability to thread a pass like no other man, there were simply none as good as Canavan. Injuries were starting to take their toll towards the end and yet he still had it in his locker to score as sumptuous a goal as he did in the 2005 final, his last game. Finished up with six Allstars (three in the 2000s) and a Footballer of the Year gong (1995).

15
Stephen O'Neill
AS Canavan neared the end, the quiet man from Aughabrack took over as the shining light in the Tyrone attack. O'Neill was a great ball-winner and was just as good a finisher with a bigger range. Often caught the eye with spectacular efforts, but he also did the simple things well. Won an Allstar in his breakthrough year and was the best forward in Ireland by 2015, when he rightfully won the Footballer of the Year award. Retired briefly through injury but returned and only finally gave in after the 2013 season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
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Martin Sludden up for Vice Chair/Chair of the CCC

Say what you want but I think he would be a good man to get in, he would actually try and get the fixtures situation sorted.

Agree with this, I hope it happens

You know what. If he fixes the fixtures then good luck to him.

I see Sludden was elected. Next up, a motion to ban anyone from Louth visiting Tyrone.
Wonder if Sludden is a Harte Bandwagoner, or has he a bit of sense?

You don't get jobs in Chinese communist party unless you're loyal to President Xi.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 12, 2019, 12:51:49 PM
Is it true that anyone who gets elected to county board roles has to swear an oath of allegiance to Mickey harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on December 12, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 12, 2019, 11:46:20 AM
Irish News, pick of Tyrone last 20 years.


TYRONE
1
Pascal McConnell
OF the 15 spots on the team, none has greater competition. But that's nothing new to Packie McConnell, whose whole career was spent battling with John Devine for the number one slot. They shared it back and forward from 2003 – when it was Devine's – through to Niall Morgan emerged in 2013. McConnell played in their other two finals and was just that fraction more distinctive in his shot-stopping.

2
Ryan McMenamin
HIS unmistakability always made McMenamin stand out from the crowd that little bit more. The hair, the beard, the wiryness. Mostly, though, you'd have recognised him because he was in the personal space of whomever he was sent to mark. Ricey was tireless in his duties, and the pace and energy he brought to the counter-attack all the way from corner-back was like a look into the future.

3
Cormac McAnallen
McANALLEN was shaping as a promising midfielder but as the 2003 campaign went on, Tyrone just couldn't scratch the itch they had at full-back. Mickey Harte called on the Eglish man to drop back after Down bombarded them with high ball in the drawn Ulster final. It had the ultimate transformative impact on their season as he collected an All-Ireland medal and an Allstar. Named captain for the following season before tragedy struck and robbed Tyrone football of one of its brightest lights.

4
Joe McMahon
BIG Joe was one of Mickey Harte's best, most reliable and most versatile soldiers. Won his two All-Irelands at full-back and yet rarely spent a day in between playing at number three. Going from scoring 1-1 against Dublin in the '08 quarter-final to teaming up with brother Justy and doing the famous Twin Towers job on Kieran Donaghy and Tommy Walsh was the ultimate display of his adaptability.

5
Mattie Donnelly
WITH the team being revamped after 2013, the Trillick man has been a mainstay of everything they've become since. As they became so proficient in the running game, Donnelly was at the heart of it. When they needed to find something different, they moved the two-time Allstar into the attack and he provided it. He's a brilliant sweeper but a far more effective man when Tyrone get him on the ball near goal. He gets in ahead of current team-mate Peter Harte.

6
Conor Gormley
SURE the block itself is enough to justify The Block himself, but in a way boiling his career down to even such a monumental moment in time undermines just how good Gormley was. Whether it was as an orthodox six, at full-back or as the sweeper, Gormley stood out a mile for his reading of the game and the bravery he brought to proceedings. There weren't too many ever got the better of the Carrickmore man, who won Allstars in all three All-Ireland winning years.

7
Philip Jordan
IN the discussion around the great wing-backs, Philip Jordan's career will stand up alongside any of them. He contributed 2-16 in championship games between 2003 and 2010, but while he was a good finisher, it was a lot more. The defensive side of his game wasn't always given its due credit, but it was often hidden by the shadow of his attacking abilities. Four Allstars made him the most decorated of all the Tyrone defenders from that era, which says it all.

8
Sean Cavanagh
COMING off the successful minor and under-21 teams, Cavanagh's introduction to the team was pivotal to Tyrone getting across the line in 2003. Went on to have a magnificent career that included five Allstars and the Footballer of the Year award as he led them to a third crown in '08. At his best coming from deep, bamboozling defenders with that trademark shimmy. Was still a leading light right up until retirement in 2017.

9
Colm Cavanagh
IT took him a long time to emerge from his brother's shadow but over the past few years, Colm Cavanagh has become Tyrone's ultimate leader. Developed into a fine midfielder but it was in dropping into the sweeping role that he really came to national prominence, winning two Allstars. Alternating between the two roles, he has pinned the whole thing together in both defence and midfield. It's a coin toss to put him ahead of the grossly unfortunate Kevin Hughes.

10
Brian Dooher
AT the time, Dooher seemed almost like a freak of nature. Strong, robust, it was the quiet way that he just seemed to pop up on every loose ball going, no matter whether it fell in front of Tyrone's goal or out on the sideline or on the edge of the 'D'. The famous point against Kerry, bouncing his way down the sideline off men, was so special in that it boiled him down into 12 seconds. Another who excelled in the big years, winning Allstars in '03, '05 and '08.

11
Brian McGuigan
IT'S as if the traditional number 11 role died when McGuigan faded off the inter-county scene. The Ardboe man ghosted around looking for ball and when he got it facing the opposition's goal, he could almost anything he wanted with it. His vision, his passing ability, his decision-making, they were all exemplary. An Allstar in '03, his decision to return home from Oz to play in '05 was massive for Tyrone.

12
Enda McGinley
NO matter what job Mickey Harte asked him to do, McGinley did it with the minimum of fuss. Most of the time, it was operating out as the third midfielder, where he'd find himself on mountains of ball. At times he was asked to play as an orthodox midfield man, most notably in 2008, when he did it so well that he ended up with his sole Allstar. Went on a great scoring run that year. The kind of player every team needs.

13
Owen Mulligan
HE wasn't always the most consistent but when Mulligan was good, he was brilliant. Scored one of the great all-time goals against Dublin in 2005, which was all the more significant because Tyrone seemed in such bother in the game. Being named man of the match in that year's final capped his best season, which had seen him dropped in early summer and go on to win his Allstar. A brilliant finisher, he could go off right or left, and always had that eye for goal.

14
Peter Canavan
FROM scoring ridiculous tallies with efforts from impossible angles and of ludicrous levels of difficulty, as well as his ability to thread a pass like no other man, there were simply none as good as Canavan. Injuries were starting to take their toll towards the end and yet he still had it in his locker to score as sumptuous a goal as he did in the 2005 final, his last game. Finished up with six Allstars (three in the 2000s) and a Footballer of the Year gong (1995).

15
Stephen O'Neill
AS Canavan neared the end, the quiet man from Aughabrack took over as the shining light in the Tyrone attack. O'Neill was a great ball-winner and was just as good a finisher with a bigger range. Often caught the eye with spectacular efforts, but he also did the simple things well. Won an Allstar in his breakthrough year and was the best forward in Ireland by 2015, when he rightfully won the Footballer of the Year award. Retired briefly through injury but returned and only finally gave in after the 2013 season.

Think Morgan could have got the GK spot, but apart from that..yes...no one else from the current crop bar PH would be entertained and I struggle to see where he would fit...maybe...maybe displacing Enda McGinley ...tight call tho

Maybe evidence of how much MH has actually managed to get out of the team since the glory years..... (runs for cover)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on December 12, 2019, 03:40:18 PM
I think packies place is justified mainly due to that save in the dying seconds of the 05 or 08 final. I don't remember him conceding any howlers either. In comparison, I'm a fan of Morgan but his poor kick out against the dubs a few ago was costly. The role of goalkeeper has changed so much in the intervening years though that its hard to compare them.
No disrespect to PH but he has never got to the level that EMcG got in 08. Granted he hasn't had the same level of team mates but if I remember rightly mcginley was in the running for poty in 08. I never really seen him at the level of his teammates until 08 when he was fantastic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 12, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
I'm on the other side of the coin toss between Kevin Hughes and Colm Cavanagh.

Hard to argue any of the rest to be honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 12, 2019, 03:55:26 PM
Great team alright. I'd have Morgan in goals, justy in corner back for joey and Joe at 5 in place of mattie. I'd have Kevin Hughes instead of Colm C too. The team in 05 was some side. Anyone could have won an all Ireland with those lads. (runs for cover)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on December 12, 2019, 04:05:15 PM
Aye some tight calls there. I think k Hughes just shades ccavanagh but mattie d shades justy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandofgod on December 12, 2019, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 12, 2019, 03:55:26 PM
Great team alright. I'd have Morgan in goals, justy in corner back for joey and Joe at 5 in place of mattie. I'd have Kevin Hughes instead of Colm C too. The team in 05 was some side. Anyone could have won an all Ireland with those lads. (runs for cover)

Hub wasn't on the 05 team. he was in Oz
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 12, 2019, 05:08:31 PM
I see Cahair O'Kane doing this for the 9 Ulster counties in the Irish News. Tyrone team will be the easiest to pick in my opinion. Anyone with a decent knowledge of Tyrone GAA in last 20 years would probably pick majority of this team. Only 1 or possibly 2 places up for debate. Hub / Cavanagh is close and arguably could pick both and play Sean at 12 but McGinley was a great player also. Gerald Cavlan could have been at 12 but he played 5/6 years in the 90's as well and not so much in the 2000's. Was a superb player in fairness

I am surprised O'Kane didn't throw in a curve ball or two - he likes to create a bit of controversy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 12, 2019, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on December 12, 2019, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 12, 2019, 03:55:26 PM
Great team alright. I'd have Morgan in goals, justy in corner back for joey and Joe at 5 in place of mattie. I'd have Kevin Hughes instead of Colm C too. The team in 05 was some side. Anyone could have won an all Ireland with those lads. (runs for cover)

Hub wasn't on the 05 team. he was in Oz

Justy wasn't either. I was just saying they were some team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 12, 2019, 10:21:08 PM
I think I'd have Joe McMahon in the half back line. McGinley was a great player but I think I'd have Mattie Donnelly ahead of him. I think Hampsey, McNamee and McCarron wouldn't be far off one of the corner back spots either. Morgan over Packie in goals for me too.

Players will generally look better in greater teams so the context is important in that regard.

It was some generation when you look back at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 12, 2019, 10:46:34 PM
Packie deserves the spot he as he has the Celtic Crosses.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on December 12, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
Aidy mcrory anyone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 17, 2019, 10:04:17 PM
Had it confirmed in Monaghan today that John devine is taking Rory  beggan for coaching sessions. Is he still with Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 17, 2019, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2019, 10:04:17 PM
Had it confirmed in Monaghan today that John devine is taking Rory  beggan for coaching sessions. Is he still with Tyrone?

Old news STG - was said on here a while ago that he had left Tyrone set up to join up with the Banty in Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2019, 07:31:27 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 17, 2019, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2019, 10:04:17 PM
Had it confirmed in Monaghan today that John devine is taking Rory  beggan for coaching sessions. Is he still with Tyrone?

Old news STG - was said on here a while ago that he had left Tyrone set up to join up with the Banty in Monaghan.
yeah I know but maybe he still with Tyrone and just doin a few sessions a week with beggan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on December 18, 2019, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 18, 2019, 07:31:27 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 17, 2019, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 17, 2019, 10:04:17 PM
Had it confirmed in Monaghan today that John devine is taking Rory  beggan for coaching sessions. Is he still with Tyrone?

Old news STG - was said on here a while ago that he had left Tyrone set up to join up with the Banty in Monaghan.
yeah I know but maybe he still with Tyrone and just doin a few sessions a week with beggan?

  'STG, '  He had left Tyrone' means he had LEFT them. If you know that then HTFcuk could he 'maybe' be still with them ?  DUHHH!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 18, 2019, 08:09:08 PM
Just because someone on here said he left doesn't make it gospel. Wonder why did he leave anyway? Things getting bad when even Mickey's own clubmen can't stand the sight of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ctrallying on January 01, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
Team talk reporting that Mc shane heading down under,thank god i did not renew my season ticket,could be a short year,Tyrone really lacking a stand out forward now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 01, 2020, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on January 01, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
Team talk reporting that Mc shane heading down under,thank god i did not   renew my season ticket,could be a short year,Tyrone really lacking a stand out forward now.

Two year deal. Tyrones only hope is scuppered for 2020.

Can you blame him??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeGoAgain on January 02, 2020, 07:09:32 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 01, 2020, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on January 01, 2020, 10:53:21 PM

Team talk reporting that Mc shane heading down under,thank god i did not   renew my season ticket,could be a short year,Tyrone really lacking a stand out forward now.

Two year deal. Tyrones only hope is scuppered for 2020.

Can you blame him??

You couldn't blame him no. Wish him all the best and hope it goes well for him!

I would be concerned about Tyrone's chances for survival in division 1 for next year however. Our top scorers from the last 2 seasons have now both left. Add to that Mattie Donnelly's injury. It could be a short season for Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 02, 2020, 08:57:13 AM
It will sadly all end in tears for mickey. he seems the only one that can't see its time to go. he can put whatever spin on it he wants but we are in serious trouble
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 02, 2020, 09:53:32 AM
We are haemorrhaging talent both on and off the field because of harte. When will we say enough is enough?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 02, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
McShane going had been doing the rounds before Xmas, if the figures talked of are true then absolutely good luck to him - he could actually make it too, the way he plays. But I don't know if he'd be big enough to play in FF in AFL.

From Tyrone point of view, absolute disaster. Donegal are probably ahead anyway, even though they've their own problem with McNailias opting out too. Monaghan are unknown, the rest of Ulster just got a massive shot in the arm.

The league is the league, there'll be the inevitable meltdown here during it but again, it's the league. New rules, new players....you just don't know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 02, 2020, 10:05:37 AM
Good luck to Cathal great opportunity for him.Big loss but i am sure Tyrone will adapt without him.As the saying goes one man doesnt make a team.I can still recall people who doubted his selection on the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on January 02, 2020, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: skeog on January 02, 2020, 10:05:37 AM
Good luck to Cathal great opportunity for him.Big loss but i am sure Tyrone will adapt without him.As the saying goes one man doesnt make a team.I can still recall people who doubted his selection on the team.

To be fair I did doubt him a few years ago, but in defense you can only judge a player on how they are playing at that moment in time. No one outside the camp could have foreseen him going into FF and becoming a beast. I suspect that Stevie O'Neill had a big impact on him.

If McShane does go then fair play to him but Tyrone are in serious trouble. Where will the points/goals come from now? I suspect it will be a very very short season for Tyrone but in the long run it may be for the best. A short season will hopefully stop Harte getting another extension. A few years building a new team with a new manager and hopefully we can complete against the top 3 teams for a change instead of getting beat every time we play them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on January 02, 2020, 10:51:18 AM
I understand that he is removed from the players WhatsApp group. So looks as if the story is correct.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 02, 2020, 11:03:45 AM
What a huge loss. He has no faith in Harte or the management team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 02, 2020, 11:23:12 AM
I would welcome a change in management at this stage but it hardly seems fair to blame Mickey for this one. If Cathal has a shot at a few years as a pro athlete then good luck to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 11:39:37 AM
Heard a rumour over Christmas

This is Mickeys last year and Malachy O'Rourke will be in next year. Apparently Slaughtneil had approached MOR looking him to take minimum two years so he couldnt do it as he knows he will be with Tyrone next year an thats why he ended up elsewhere as he is doing it on the basis of 1 year.

Could be dung but sounds interesting anyone else hear anything about this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 02, 2020, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 11:39:37 AM
Heard a rumour over Christmas

This is Mickeys last year and Malachy O'Rourke will be in next year. Apparently Slaughtneil had approached MOR looking him to take minimum two years so he couldnt do it as he knows he will be with Tyrone next year an thats why he ended up elsewhere as he is doing it on the basis of 1 year.

Could be dung but sounds interesting anyone else hear anything about this?

Nonsense, at this stage harte is still planning to stay and most of the cronies in garvaghey will back that. The clubs need to step up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 02, 2020, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 11:39:37 AM
Heard a rumour over Christmas

This is Mickeys last year and Malachy O'Rourke will be in next year. Apparently Slaughtneil had approached MOR looking him to take minimum two years so he couldnt do it as he knows he will be with Tyrone next year an thats why he ended up elsewhere as he is doing it on the basis of 1 year.

Could be dung but sounds interesting anyone else hear anything about this?

Who is O'Rourke with this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 11:57:45 AM
The person had said Errigal for a year but I had heard Johnny McBride was there so thats why i was a bit sceptical.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2020, 12:02:20 PM
Anyone trying to blame Harte for McShane leaving has to be on the wind up big time. Harte showed more faith in McShane than many of the same people now criticising Harte for him leaving. If it was up to 3/4's plus of the county he wouldn't have been near the Tyrone team or got this opportunity now. He owes plenty for Harte for showing faith in him when so many had none.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 02, 2020, 12:04:14 PM
Not a chance harte will walk away. Will have to be forcibly removed but unfortunately like someone else said, he has the right men in position to back him. Hard to see a way out to be honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 02, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
I see hartes pal petesie Kennedy taking digs at ex Tyrone player John lynch on twitter. These are the guys in charge of Tyrone football!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 02, 2020, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2020, 12:02:20 PM
Anyone trying to blame Harte for McShane leaving has to be on the wind up big time. Harte showed more faith in McShane than many of the same people now criticising Harte for him leaving. If it was up to 3/4's plus of the county he wouldn't have been near the Tyrone team or got this opportunity now. He owes plenty for Harte for showing faith in him when so many had none.

I am not blaming harte for mc shane leaving. But his basic gameplan is out the window without him and it will end in tears. He is responsible however for the dissillusionment of players, supporters, clubs and sponsors to a large degree.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 02, 2020, 01:47:01 PM
I wonder what attempts were made to try keep Mc Shane from leaving? Like when Gavin devlin threatened to leave and got offered a 30 grand a year academy coaching job?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 02, 2020, 02:00:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 02, 2020, 01:47:01 PM
I wonder what attempts were made to try keep Mc Shane from leaving? Like when Gavin devlin threatened to leave and got offered a 30 grand a year academy coaching job?

You tell us what you can do to keep a lad from getting paid to play sport, live in Brisbane (Some spot), to stay at home and get to Super 8s and maybe a Semi Final....if you get the break.

The GAA doesn't care, there'll be another McShane comes to the fore this summer. Not much point looking at Tyrone GAA either, sure they can't even put a gym in their complex that was to push teams to the next level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2020, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 02, 2020, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2020, 12:02:20 PM
Anyone trying to blame Harte for McShane leaving has to be on the wind up big time. Harte showed more faith in McShane than many of the same people now criticising Harte for him leaving. If it was up to 3/4's plus of the county he wouldn't have been near the Tyrone team or got this opportunity now. He owes plenty for Harte for showing faith in him when so many had none.

I am not blaming harte for mc shane leaving. But his basic gameplan is out the window without him and it will end in tears. He is responsible however for the dissillusionment of players, supporters, clubs and sponsors to a large degree.

The disillusionment comes from a lack of success at All Ireland senior level in the last decade as a result of us not having players as good as Dublin and Kerry/Donegal at points in time. Harte is the scape goat for this but has done as well as anyone has with the group of players available. We won more ulster's in the last decade than the 90's (and the same number as the 80's) and regularly appeared at the latter end of the championship. The only really disappointing years were 2012 and 2014.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on January 02, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2020, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 02, 2020, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2020, 12:02:20 PM
Anyone trying to blame Harte for McShane leaving has to be on the wind up big time. Harte showed more faith in McShane than many of the same people now criticising Harte for him leaving. If it was up to 3/4's plus of the county he wouldn't have been near the Tyrone team or got this opportunity now. He owes plenty for Harte for showing faith in him when so many had none.

I am not blaming harte for mc shane leaving. But his basic gameplan is out the window without him and it will end in tears. He is responsible however for the dissillusionment of players, supporters, clubs and sponsors to a large degree.

The disillusionment comes from a lack of success at All Ireland senior level in the last decade as a result of us not having players as good as Dublin and Kerry/Donegal at points in time. Harte is the scape goat for this but has done as well as anyone has with the group of players available. We won more ulster's in the last decade than the 90's (and the same number as the 80's) and regularly appeared at the latter end of the championship. The only really disappointing years were 2012 and 2014.

Cathal Mc Shane going to Brisbane has absolutely nothing to do with Mickey Harte being Tyrone manager.
But would football in Tyrone get a bounce from a change in management?
I think it would
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 02, 2020, 03:54:51 PM
Anyone blaming Harte for this needs to delete their account and get another hobby. There's a long list of county players throughout the country not appearing this year and opting for abroad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on January 02, 2020, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on January 01, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
Team talk reporting that Mc shane heading down under,thank god i did not renew my season ticket,could be a short year,Tyrone really lacking a stand out forward now.

If this is true about McShane, who have we got to replace him? I cant think of anyone on the current squad that is similar ball winner and can take his own scores.
Anyone not on the current setup that would be worth a review?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on January 02, 2020, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on January 01, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
Team talk reporting that Mc shane heading down under,thank god i did not renew my season ticket,could be a short year,Tyrone really lacking a stand out forward now.

If this is true about McShane, who have we got to replace him? I cant think of anyone on the current squad that is similar ball winner and can take his own scores.
Anyone not on the current setup that would be worth a review?

Holy Ghosssst boys - Have you never heard of big Kyle - Throw him in boyysss
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on January 02, 2020, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on January 02, 2020, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on January 01, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
Team talk reporting that Mc shane heading down under,thank god i did not renew my season ticket,could be a short year,Tyrone really lacking a stand out forward now.

If this is true about McShane, who have we got to replace him? I cant think of anyone on the current squad that is similar ball winner and can take his own scores.
Anyone not on the current setup that would be worth a review?

Holy Ghosssst boys - Have you never heard of big Kyle - Throw him in boyysss
Pity we couldn't send Kyle to the Aussie rules and keep McShane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 02, 2020, 04:27:25 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on January 02, 2020, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on January 01, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
Team talk reporting that Mc shane heading down under,thank god i did not renew my season ticket,could be a short year,Tyrone really lacking a stand out forward now.

If this is true about McShane, who have we got to replace him? I cant think of anyone on the current squad that is similar ball winner and can take his own scores.
Anyone not on the current setup that would be worth a review?

Holy Ghosssst boys - Have you never heard of big Kyle - Throw him in boyysss

Kyle currently playing for his club as the deep lying quarterback. Not actually sure what his position is anymore on the Gaelic Football Pitch.

Looks like a good old reset to the dark days of Mark Bradley in 40 metres of space and 14 Tyrone lads in their own half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 02, 2020, 04:31:15 PM
Anyone not blaming Harte should good look at themselves and delete their account. If he thought he had a chance of winning an AI he'd never go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on January 02, 2020, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 02, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on January 02, 2020, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: ctrallying on January 01, 2020, 10:53:21 PM
Team talk reporting that Mc shane heading down under,thank god i did not renew my season ticket,could be a short year,Tyrone really lacking a stand out forward now.

If this is true about McShane, who have we got to replace him? I cant think of anyone on the current squad that is similar ball winner and can take his own scores.
Anyone not on the current setup that would be worth a review?

Holy Ghosssst boys - Have you never heard of big Kyle - Throw him in boyysss
Pity we couldn't send Kyle to the Aussie rules and keep McShane.

Think we tried that already but he missed the club too much - and I aint talking about the GAA Club! :L
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 02, 2020, 04:55:55 PM
Heard mark Bradley heading to America again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2020, 05:02:50 PM
Colm Cavanagh the new dynamic full forward goal machine.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on January 02, 2020, 05:08:56 PM
Anyone have a list of forward players currently on the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 02, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on January 02, 2020, 05:08:56 PM
Anyone have a list of forward players currently on the panel?
Mattie Donnelly
Peter Harte
Niall Sludden
Mark Bradley
Darren McCurry
Daniel Kerr
Ronan O'Neill
Harry Loughran
Kyle Coney
Ronan McHugh
Dd mulgrew
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 02, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
Mc nulty clonoe, Mc aleer gortin both similar to Mc Shane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeGoAgain on January 02, 2020, 06:40:25 PM
Would like to see Danny McNulty in. If he can stay if fit then he could potentially be very effective in that role. But the last few years have been blighted by injury. Don't know much about McAleer from Gortin. Seemed to have a good enough year with the u20s last year so would be worth looking at surely. However, don't think either will fill the void left by McShane.q
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Micky_mouse on January 02, 2020, 06:41:55 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 02, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
Mc nulty clonoe, Mc aleer gortin both similar to Mc Shane.
Cormac McGettigan from killyclogher another big figure similar to McShane
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 02, 2020, 08:02:24 PM
It's a colossal blow. The usual idiots are on here pedalling their usual agenda re Harte, Harte has shown a lot of faith in McShane when a lot of people including myself would have been sceptical of his overall worth. I certainly can't begrudge McShane the opportunity, by the terms talked it's a two year deal that should set him up for life even if it doesn't work out.

It does leave us in a right pickle for the year ahead. No Skeet, McShane and possibly Donnelly for the year. Our game plan had been built around McShane and we would have got nowhere near where we did last year for him. The likes of O'Neill, Bradley, McCurry etc are nice footballers but the game has changed and has become too physical for them as inside forwards.

I did say that I was surprised Harte didn't look at some physical inside options when it came to new faces this year. I thought Ryan Coleman would definitely have been worth a look, I'd have doubts about Danny McNulty's fitness and durability for top level intercounty football but he could probably have got a chance too. I think McAleer is a good bit off the physicality needed right now but he looked a decent prospect for the u20s. There's no real standout options and I don't see us repeating the success story of McShane with another player.

It also leaves us without a right footed free taker, I really can't see Ronan O'Neill stepping up from his previous outings and I don't think he's good enough for a top level team but do we now need to carry him for frees? Is Ronan McHugh still involved and is he back fit again?

I was relatively optimistic this year as in McShane we finally had an elite level inside forward and we could develop our game even more around him.

I do think we will see him in a Tyrone jersey in a few years time and hopefully he is joined back by McKenna.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 02, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
Anything to be said for moving Peter Harte into full forward?
Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly inside with Mark Bradley operating off them would have the potential to be very dangerous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on January 02, 2020, 10:06:51 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 02, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
Anything to be said for moving Peter Harte into full forward?
Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly inside with Mark Bradley operating off them would have the potential to be very dangerous.

Peter is a strange one as he is very good but seems to always get bullied off the ball in big games. He seems to lack the aggression to win his own ball. Moving him closer to goals would give him a bit more protection but don't think it would solve his problem. Mcshane and donelley have the required aggression to win their own ball and that can't be taught.

Really can't see how tyrone are going to get constant scores. Bradley, McCurry and Brennan are good footballers but need a strong target man to work off.

Any ideas if Bradley or Lee are coming back into squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 02, 2020, 10:39:20 PM
Any Tyrone manager worth half his salt, would visit Clonoe and a certain Mr McNulty

He is needed now more than ever
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 02, 2020, 11:16:31 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2020, 10:39:20 PM
Any Tyrone manager worth half his salt, would visit Clonoe and a certain Mr McNulty

He is needed now more than ever

Maybe if they were looking to buy a car.

I jest, he should be in with a shout.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on January 03, 2020, 01:32:05 AM
What does mcshane work as here in ireland maybe that was not enough to keep him in ireland
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on January 03, 2020, 01:34:56 AM
Taco Fall from Boston could do a job at FF!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 03, 2020, 07:51:45 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 03, 2020, 01:32:05 AM
What does mcshane work as here in ireland maybe that was not enough to keep him in ireland

Currently works for Donnelly Group as far as I know. Even if Tyrone were the best team in the country with a management team of Jim Gavin and Mick O'Dwyer in charge he'd be mad to turn the opportunity down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 03, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2020, 10:39:20 PM
Any Tyrone manager worth half his salt, would visit Clonoe and a certain Mr McNulty

He is needed now more than ever

If we are being completely honest, his time for county football is pretty much over. What is he? Now mid 20s. The ship has sailed. Now I don't agree with it, if your good enough, what odds....but Tyrone Football doesn't tend to be kind to those on the wrong side of X age with regards to call ups.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 03, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
Has he proved himself at county level?

Lee Brennan is a legend in the club game, scored something ridiculous like 3-15 in one game. Has he set county level alight? Its a big step up, extremely rare for anyone in any county, let alone Tyrone where you seem to do an apprenticeship.

McNulty is a good player, of course. But to say he's the answer when, if we are perfectly honest - he hasn't put together a single whole year at Clonoe in maybe 3/4 years is just fanciful.

Not to mention McAliskey will be well fit to tell him what's in store - and he would even be a better choice to bring back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 03, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 03, 2020, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 03, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
Has he proved himself at county level?

Lee Brennan is a legend in the club game, scored something ridiculous like 3-15 in one game. Has he set county level alight? Its a big step up, extremely rare for anyone in any county, let alone Tyrone where you seem to do an apprenticeship.

McNulty is a good player, of course. But to say he's the answer when, if we are perfectly honest - he hasn't put together a single whole year at Clonoe in maybe 3/4 years is just fanciful.

Not to mention McAliskey will be well fit to tell him what's in store - and he would even be a better choice to bring back.
McNulty has been mentioned because people are looking a like for like replacement for McShane, presumably because of the forward mark. Whether he has a capability to be a replacement for McShane is something that can be debated but he offers something different to what Brennan or McAliskey would give you inside.

Appreciate that and I understand. But it's just not a realistic option, I actually think he could do a job myself but there is the obvious backstory with McNulty and Tyrone. It's just a no go unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 03, 2020, 04:06:55 PM
Rory Brennan full forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 03, 2020, 07:52:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 02, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
Anything to be said for moving Peter Harte into full forward?
Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly inside with Mark Bradley operating off them would have the potential to be very dangerous.
1. Niall Morgan
2. Rory Brennan
3. Ronan McNammee
4. Michael McKernan
5. Michael Cassidy
6. Paudie Hampsey
7. Frank Burns
8. Richard Donnelly
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Kieran McGeary
11. Niall Sludden
12. Conor Meyler
13. Mark Bradley
14. Peter Harte
15. Mattie Donnelly
With that line up and squad, Tyrone should still be very competitive and make the super 8s/SF, all experienced players who have been about for a few years now, debatable though if they can beat Donegal in Ballybofey or any of the top teams in a semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 03, 2020, 09:11:14 PM
That half forward line looks very weak scoring wise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2020, 08:26:13 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 03, 2020, 07:52:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 02, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
Anything to be said for moving Peter Harte into full forward?
Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly inside with Mark Bradley operating off them would have the potential to be very dangerous.
1. Niall Morgan
2. Rory Brennan
3. Ronan McNammee
4. Michael McKernan
5. Michael Cassidy
6. Paudie Hampsey
7. Frank Burns
8. Richard Donnelly
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Kieran McGeary
11. Niall Sludden
12. Conor Meyler
13. Mark Bradley
14. Peter Harte
15. Mattie Donnelly
With that line up and squad, Tyrone should still be very competitive and make the super 8s/SF, all experienced players who have been about for a few years now, debatable though if they can beat Donegal in Ballybofey or any of the top teams in a semi final.

That forward line doesn't inspire much hope for me at the business end of the Championship and I think you'd have to put big question marks over Mattie's involvement this year. It's a very small forward line too, only Meyler and Donnelly come near or above the 6ft mark. McGeary and Meyler don't really offer a scoring threat either.

I do agree with the placing of Mattie (if fit) and Peter Harte inside but it's the paucity of scores from the half forward line that would worry me. I also don't think McKernan is a corner back, he's got plenty of energy and is physical but his decision making and tendency to switch off his man has cost numerous goals already in his Tyrone career. Think Rafferty is worth a run at corner back.

We need to get more scores in that attack but trying to compensate for McShane's loss is near impossible with how important he was last year. Coney might be worth a run at 11 as he can get scores and adds a physical presence there, hopefully Mulgrew is back fit and can nail down a place too as he has the ability to feature on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 04, 2020, 10:32:41 AM
Tyrone McKenna Cup Team V. Cavan 1st 15

1. B Gallen
2. C Quinn
3. A McCrory
4. B Burns
5. L Rafferty
6. R Brennan
7. C Grimes
8. B Kennedy
9. C Kilpatrick
10. T McCann
11. K Coney
12. D McCurry
13. D Mulgrew
14. C McCann
15. D Kerr

4 Players make their debut for Tyrone Seniors
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 04, 2020, 10:53:07 AM
2 McCanns and AMcCrory...........that's enough for me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2020, 01:28:07 PM
Think Brennan is the only player who started against Kerry in last year's AI semi?

Will many of these lads be involved in Sigerson? Might be the only chance for them in the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 04, 2020, 01:39:35 PM
Interested to see the hunger with T McCann. Think he could be v useful as a half forward if he is up for it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2020, 02:07:49 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 04, 2020, 01:39:35 PM
Interested to see the hunger with T McCann. Think he could be v useful as a half forward if he is up for it

Think he's more suited there these days. His finishing has come on very well the past couple of years but I think we have better natural defenders for the half back line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 05, 2020, 10:53:58 AM
So tiarnan Mc cann is a forward now? Jesus wept. We in bigger trouble than I thought.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 05, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
Anyone head along to the match?

I listened to the commentary. Seemed like Kilpatrick was outstanding and at the heart of everything positive Tyrone did, Rafferty also seemed to be very prominent by the radio commentary and Mulgrew sounded like he had a good second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 05, 2020, 06:44:03 PM
MH seems confident Cathal may not sign contract.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on January 05, 2020, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 05, 2020, 06:44:03 PM
MH seems confident Cathal may not sign contract.

What's that based on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 05, 2020, 07:30:39 PM
Dull enough first half overall although mcCurry lively, Rafferty lively and Coney lively - not a lot of decent ball into CmcC at to be honest so hard to evaluate today - he will need a few  more games at FF to settle (and to see if he is any sort of answer in the absence of mcShane)

Forward mark was really non existent, defenders just breaking the ball time after time (on both sides).

Kilpatrick had a very good debut. Moved well, caught plenty. Certainly worth a few more starts to see how he does. Looks to be a big strong fella which is what we need in MF

Armagh will be a much more difficult proposition. No fear of Tyrone and a very slick forward unit. Harte will need someone like mcNamee to look after RoN....never.mind Clarke and Campbell.

Decent enough game to start the season, but would worry about Tyrone having enough firepower to beat the top 3-4 teams this year (again)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 05, 2020, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 05, 2020, 07:30:39 PM
Dull enough first half overall although mcCurry lively, Rafferty lively and Coney lively - not a lot of decent ball into CmcC at to be honest so hard to evaluate today - he will need a few  more games at FF to settle (and to see if he is any sort of answer in the absence of mcShane)

Forward mark was really non existent, defenders just breaking the ball time after time (on both sides).

Kilpatrick had a very good debut. Moved well, caught plenty. Certainly worth a few more starts to see how he does. Looks to be a big strong fella which is what we need in MF

Armagh will be a much more difficult proposition. No fear of Tyrone and a very slick forward unit. Harte will need someone like mcNamee to look after RoN....never.mind Clarke and Campbell.

Decent enough game to start the season, but would worry about Tyrone having enough firepower to beat the top 3-4 teams this year (again)

I think Armagh will probably beat us the next day out unless we bring back a lot of the big guns.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 08:23:32 AM
Harte's interview after the game was embarrassing.. Asked about McShane and he moreless said "I don't know what hes going to do but in my opinion his future is brighter here"

What's that Mickey? An 8-5 job for 35k a year then an hour drive home to Donegal border then a 45 minute drive to Gervaghy for training, or a professional contract in Australia worth maybe 100k or whatever a rookie makes.

It wasn't just what he was saying, but he genuinely sounded cold about it and I can only imagine the response he first got when he seeked "advice" from Harte 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 06, 2020, 08:45:01 AM
He wasn't advising him he was "enlightening" him. Harte raging because he knows Mc Shane leaving will hamper him staying on as manager. More self interest from Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on January 06, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
Is Mark Bardley on the panel at the minute? No sign of him yesterday and he is still tipping away for Mountfield on a a saturday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 08:23:32 AM
Harte's interview after the game was embarrassing.. Asked about McShane and he moreless said "I don't know what hes going to do but in my opinion his future is brighter here"

What's that Mickey? An 8-5 job for 35k a year then an hour drive home to Donegal border then a 45 minute drive to Gervaghy for training, or a professional contract in Australia worth maybe 100k or whatever a rookie makes.

It wasn't just what he was saying, but he genuinely sounded cold about it and I can only imagine the response he first got when he seeked "advice" from Harte

You find it embarrassing that the Tyrone manager would be trying to convince one of his best players to stick around and play for Tyrone?

Of course Harte will have a self interest here, it is of the interest of Tyrone GAA that McShane stays as he is an invaluable player. I wouldn't begrudge him a move but you must be some simpleton to think that the manager of an intercounty football team will not be acting in the interest of the team rather than the individual.

Did you see the furore down in Kerry when there was talk of Clifford going a few years back, it was pitchforks at dawn. Tomas O'Se was launching a number of broadside attacks and went for his ex teammate Tadhg Kennelly no holds barred.

"Let's make no bones about this. Right now, a lot of people in Kerry are cursing Tadhg. Cursing one of our own. That can't be right," he said.

"I'd say any focus on this story must be bothering him. If I met him tomorrow, I'd say straight up, "Tadhg, I've nothing against you personally. But I hate what you're doing."

"Because people in Kerry are sick of this. A lot of Tadhg's former team-mates are sick of this too, they just don't feel comfortable saying it. But I think Clifford leaving would be the straw that broke the camel's back."

And this from a person who was not actively involved with Kerry GAA at that time? If you find Harte embarrassing what would you find that?

If McShane wants to go that is his choice and I wouldn't begrudge him that but the fact that you would find it embarrassing that the county manager would be doing his best to try and convince his best player to stick around is a very bizarre stance to take.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on January 06, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 08:23:32 AM
Harte's interview after the game was embarrassing.. Asked about McShane and he moreless said "I don't know what hes going to do but in my opinion his future is brighter here"

What's that Mickey? An 8-5 job for 35k a year then an hour drive home to Donegal border then a 45 minute drive to Gervaghy for training, or a professional contract in Australia worth maybe 100k or whatever a rookie makes.

It wasn't just what he was saying, but he genuinely sounded cold about it and I can only imagine the response he first got when he seeked "advice" from Harte

You find it embarrassing that the Tyrone manager would be trying to convince one of his best players to stick around and play for Tyrone?

Of course Harte will have a self interest here, it is of the interest of Tyrone GAA that McShane stays as he is an invaluable player. I wouldn't begrudge him a move but you must be some simpleton to think that the manager of an intercounty football team will not be acting in the interest of the team rather than the individual.

Did you see the furore down in Kerry when there was talk of Clifford going a few years back, it was pitchforks at dawn. Tomas O'Se was launching a number of broadside attacks and went for his ex teammate Tadhg Kennelly no holds barred.

"Let's make no bones about this. Right now, a lot of people in Kerry are cursing Tadhg. Cursing one of our own. That can't be right," he said.

"I'd say any focus on this story must be bothering him. If I met him tomorrow, I'd say straight up, "Tadhg, I've nothing against you personally. But I hate what you're doing."

"Because people in Kerry are sick of this. A lot of Tadhg's former team-mates are sick of this too, they just don't feel comfortable saying it. But I think Clifford leaving would be the straw that broke the camel's back."

And this from a person who was not actively involved with Kerry GAA at that time? If you find Harte embarrassing what would you find that?

If McShane wants to go that is his choice and I wouldn't begrudge him that but the fact that you would find it embarrassing that the county manager would be doing his best to try and convince his best player to stick around is a very bizarre stance to take.

the way in which MH approached it was not good, basically saying its no benefit to him if mcshane leaves, made himself sound selfish. that was my view on it anyway, but everyone will have different opinions on it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on January 06, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 08:23:32 AM
Harte's interview after the game was embarrassing.. Asked about McShane and he moreless said "I don't know what hes going to do but in my opinion his future is brighter here"

What's that Mickey? An 8-5 job for 35k a year then an hour drive home to Donegal border then a 45 minute drive to Gervaghy for training, or a professional contract in Australia worth maybe 100k or whatever a rookie makes.

It wasn't just what he was saying, but he genuinely sounded cold about it and I can only imagine the response he first got when he seeked "advice" from Harte

You find it embarrassing that the Tyrone manager would be trying to convince one of his best players to stick around and play for Tyrone?

Of course Harte will have a self interest here, it is of the interest of Tyrone GAA that McShane stays as he is an invaluable player. I wouldn't begrudge him a move but you must be some simpleton to think that the manager of an intercounty football team will not be acting in the interest of the team rather than the individual.

Did you see the furore down in Kerry when there was talk of Clifford going a few years back, it was pitchforks at dawn. Tomas O'Se was launching a number of broadside attacks and went for his ex teammate Tadhg Kennelly no holds barred.

"Let's make no bones about this. Right now, a lot of people in Kerry are cursing Tadhg. Cursing one of our own. That can't be right," he said.

"I'd say any focus on this story must be bothering him. If I met him tomorrow, I'd say straight up, "Tadhg, I've nothing against you personally. But I hate what you're doing."

"Because people in Kerry are sick of this. A lot of Tadhg's former team-mates are sick of this too, they just don't feel comfortable saying it. But I think Clifford leaving would be the straw that broke the camel's back."

And this from a person who was not actively involved with Kerry GAA at that time? If you find Harte embarrassing what would you find that?

If McShane wants to go that is his choice and I wouldn't begrudge him that but the fact that you would find it embarrassing that the county manager would be doing his best to try and convince his best player to stick around is a very bizarre stance to take.

the way in which MH approached it was not good, basically saying its no benefit to him if mcshane leaves, made himself sound selfish. that was my view on it anyway, but everyone will have different opinions on it

He's the Tyrone manager, of course he is going to try and convince him to stay. This is nothing inconsistent with Harte's views on the AFL and how they have poached the best talent away. He's certainly not the only prominent figure in GAA to share these views and you can understand his frustration in that we have lost Conor McKenna who was the biggest talent to come through Tyrone since Sean Cavanagh. If McShane goes and comes back I have no doubt that Harte would have him back in the set up at the drop of a hat.

It's a great opportunity for these lads to go and make a professional sports career for themselves but I would expect nothing less from people involved with the county team to fight tooth and nail to keep their best players involved.

The pressure GAA figures in Kerry exalted on Clifford managed to keep him from the reaches of the AFL.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 08:23:32 AM
Harte's interview after the game was embarrassing.. Asked about McShane and he moreless said "I don't know what hes going to do but in my opinion his future is brighter here"

What's that Mickey? An 8-5 job for 35k a year then an hour drive home to Donegal border then a 45 minute drive to Gervaghy for training, or a professional contract in Australia worth maybe 100k or whatever a rookie makes.

It wasn't just what he was saying, but he genuinely sounded cold about it and I can only imagine the response he first got when he seeked "advice" from Harte

You find it embarrassing that the Tyrone manager would be trying to convince one of his best players to stick around and play for Tyrone?

Of course Harte will have a self interest here, it is of the interest of Tyrone GAA that McShane stays as he is an invaluable player. I wouldn't begrudge him a move but you must be some simpleton to think that the manager of an intercounty football team will not be acting in the interest of the team rather than the individual.

Did you see the furore down in Kerry when there was talk of Clifford going a few years back, it was pitchforks at dawn. Tomas O'Se was launching a number of broadside attacks and went for his ex teammate Tadhg Kennelly no holds barred.

"Let's make no bones about this. Right now, a lot of people in Kerry are cursing Tadhg. Cursing one of our own. That can't be right," he said.

"I'd say any focus on this story must be bothering him. If I met him tomorrow, I'd say straight up, "Tadhg, I've nothing against you personally. But I hate what you're doing."

"Because people in Kerry are sick of this. A lot of Tadhg's former team-mates are sick of this too, they just don't feel comfortable saying it. But I think Clifford leaving would be the straw that broke the camel's back."

And this from a person who was not actively involved with Kerry GAA at that time? If you find Harte embarrassing what would you find that?

If McShane wants to go that is his choice and I wouldn't begrudge him that but the fact that you would find it embarrassing that the county manager would be doing his best to try and convince his best player to stick around is a very bizarre stance to take.
Obviously he is going to want him to stay, as do the whole of the counties supporters but if the lad has an opportunity like that, why go through an interview with all the sly digs and remarks. Harte handled it very poorly, acted like a child in front of the cameras. To me, it felt like a last ditch approach to convince him or in a better word make him stay in Tyrone.

Reporter: If McShane went and came back in a few years would there still be a place for him?
"Well, erm, I don't know..." or whatever way he phrased that..

Also, didn't go into how his future is brighter at home? Maybe he hasn't thought that far ahead or maybe the future is simply better with this opportunity and Harte can't bring himself to say it..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 06, 2020, 10:24:03 AM
Mc Shane starting pre season training with Adelaide later in month according to twitter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 10:44:21 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 08:23:32 AM
Harte's interview after the game was embarrassing.. Asked about McShane and he moreless said "I don't know what hes going to do but in my opinion his future is brighter here"

What's that Mickey? An 8-5 job for 35k a year then an hour drive home to Donegal border then a 45 minute drive to Gervaghy for training, or a professional contract in Australia worth maybe 100k or whatever a rookie makes.

It wasn't just what he was saying, but he genuinely sounded cold about it and I can only imagine the response he first got when he seeked "advice" from Harte

You find it embarrassing that the Tyrone manager would be trying to convince one of his best players to stick around and play for Tyrone?

Of course Harte will have a self interest here, it is of the interest of Tyrone GAA that McShane stays as he is an invaluable player. I wouldn't begrudge him a move but you must be some simpleton to think that the manager of an intercounty football team will not be acting in the interest of the team rather than the individual.

Did you see the furore down in Kerry when there was talk of Clifford going a few years back, it was pitchforks at dawn. Tomas O'Se was launching a number of broadside attacks and went for his ex teammate Tadhg Kennelly no holds barred.

"Let's make no bones about this. Right now, a lot of people in Kerry are cursing Tadhg. Cursing one of our own. That can't be right," he said.

"I'd say any focus on this story must be bothering him. If I met him tomorrow, I'd say straight up, "Tadhg, I've nothing against you personally. But I hate what you're doing."

"Because people in Kerry are sick of this. A lot of Tadhg's former team-mates are sick of this too, they just don't feel comfortable saying it. But I think Clifford leaving would be the straw that broke the camel's back."

And this from a person who was not actively involved with Kerry GAA at that time? If you find Harte embarrassing what would you find that?

If McShane wants to go that is his choice and I wouldn't begrudge him that but the fact that you would find it embarrassing that the county manager would be doing his best to try and convince his best player to stick around is a very bizarre stance to take.
Obviously he is going to want him to stay, as do the whole of the counties supporters but if the lad has an opportunity like that, why go through an interview with all the sly digs and remarks. Harte handled it very poorly, acted like a child in front of the cameras. To me, it felt like a last ditch approach to convince him or in a better word make him stay in Tyrone.

Reporter: If McShane went and came back in a few years would there still be a place for him?
"Well, erm, I don't know..." or whatever way he phrased that..

Also, didn't go into how his future is brighter at home? Maybe he hasn't thought that far ahead or maybe the future is simply better with this opportunity and Harte can't bring himself to say it..

Harte is being consistent in his views on the AFL.

Here he is in 2017 on David Clifford.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//sport/2017/09/20/news/mickey-harte-hopes-david-clifford-resists-afl-lure-1141395/content.html

Of course McShane will come back into the fold if he is available, that's a complete no brainer.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 10:50:26 AM
You and I both know that Angelo, but why does Harte stutter around when asked the question. Is he trying to make McShane think "If i go ill not get back in" which is complete nonsense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 06, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
I must add that I do agree with harte about the relationship between gaa and AFL. Too easy for them to come over here and cherry pick the best of our talent with no cost or work involved to them. All the time and work done by our club and county coaches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on January 06, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
Excellent display from Kyle Coney yesterday,oozes class.
Great to see Lanky's cub getting his chance,been very impressed with his club form these last couple of years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 11:22:04 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 10:50:26 AM
You and I both know that Angelo, but why does Harte stutter around when asked the question. Is he trying to make McShane think "If i go ill not get back in" which is complete nonsense

I think he's more concerned in trying to convince McShane to stay than hypothetical scenarios down the line. I think Harte will do all he can to convince him to stay but at the end of the day it is McShane's choice and it's probably a move that will set him up for life so you couldn't begrudge him that. For selfish reasons we'd all like him to stay.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 06, 2020, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 06, 2020, 10:50:26 AM
You and I both know that Angelo, but why does Harte stutter around when asked the question. Is he trying to make McShane think "If i go ill not get back in" which is complete nonsense

Who knows what toll a few years in Australia could have on his body and what sort of form he'd come back in. Tommy Walsh left Kerry as a star forward and struggled to get back in the Kerry team since. Antrim reached an ulster final with McKeever doing well at midfield and he never got back to county football. There are other examples of players coming back and struggling. You'd like to think if he goes he'd come back in decent shape and make an impact but it's not a certainty.

He could well struggle to make it over there given his age and the money is less than that mentioned so it is a big decision for him to take. A lot will depend whether he fancies the change of lifestyle and living in Australia. Some people love moving away to a better climate etc, some hate being away from family/friends. Another factor to weigh up will be his career - no idea how likely a teaching job is for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 06, 2020, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 06, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
I must add that I do agree with harte about the relationship between gaa and AFL. Too easy for them to come over here and cherry pick the best of our talent with no cost or work involved to them. All the time and work done by our club and county coaches.

Not really much to complain about if we are being honest. A professional sport comes, it's a professional sport. The GAA needs to get it's house in order with regards to earning a clean fortune hiding behind amateur status offering a GPA grant (which they actually had to fight to get in the first place and isn't all that great, considering). The AFL is just right cherry picking the best of the best as they see, they hold all the aces including the offer to compete at the very highest level in sport with the actual carrot that you can rest without going to work the next day. The GAA doesn't care right now, because there'll be another McShane, in another county, there'll be another Pearce Hanley etc. Croke Park will still be full in the summer.

If we are being completely cold and honest, the GAA whilst being a great organisation in an awful lot of ways, churns players out and uses them to little / no reward. The Australians know for very little monetary risk they can take the best, if they want to go, relatively easily because the GAA has allowed themselves to caught in a ridiculous position....and it'll get even worse with the inside mark.





Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 06, 2020, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on January 06, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
Is Mark Bardley on the panel at the minute? No sign of him yesterday and he is still tipping away for Mountfield on a a saturday
Hasn't played for Mountfield in weeks, start of November maybe. Its the younger brother who is playing for Mountfield still.
Stopped playing to rejoin the Tyrone panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 06, 2020, 05:25:08 PM
So how did Teamtalk break the McShane news so spectacularly wrong? He hasn't signed with Brisbane?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 06, 2020, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 06, 2020, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on January 06, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
Is Mark Bardley on the panel at the minute? No sign of him yesterday and he is still tipping away for Mountfield on a a saturday
Hasn't played for Mountfield in weeks, start of November maybe. Its the younger brother who is playing for Mountfield still.
Stopped playing to rejoin the Tyrone panel.

That a yes or no? lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on January 07, 2020, 10:26:21 AM
I understand that the new S&C coach is being very well received by the Tyrone players. Adding to the solid base they had previously but more meticulous preparation. Be interesting to see if this has any effects on how they play but any comments I have heard back are very good. In fairness he has come from a professional set up, so he is bringing all of that with him. Seems like a very good appointment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 07, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 06, 2020, 05:25:08 PM
So how did Teamtalk break the McShane news so spectacularly wrong? He hasn't signed with Brisbane?

Wouldn't call it spectacularly wrong though, it was Brisbane - Crows came in after with a better offer?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on January 07, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 07, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
Teamtalk only put a story together based on half truths of rumours circulating round the county over the Christmas period. The only people that know the full picture are the player himself and those closest to him which probably includes Mickey Harte as he was the first one to mention a 2 week trial period. There's a good chance he'll be back in the Tyrone squad for the national league which can only be good news for Gaels in the county

Good chance ?
Honestly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 07, 2020, 06:23:29 PM
Looking forward to game in Armagh tomorrow.Expect it to be feisty affair as Orchard men have improved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on January 07, 2020, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 07, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on January 07, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 07, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
Teamtalk only put a story together based on half truths of rumours circulating round the county over the Christmas period. The only people that know the full picture are the player himself and those closest to him which probably includes Mickey Harte as he was the first one to mention a 2 week trial period. There's a good chance he'll be back in the Tyrone squad for the national league which can only be good news for Gaels in the county

Good chance ?
Honestly?

Well, yeah if the Adelaide Crows dont offer him a contract after these trials. Hartes interview clearly states that nothing has been signed

They have already offered him a contract. The purpose of his trip to Adelaide is so that he is sure he wants to sign
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 07, 2020, 09:18:27 PM
All I can say is, roll on October!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 07, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
Coney the only survivor from the weekend.

Interesting to see how Ronan McHugh gets on, he's had a lot of bad luck with injuries but he is a big lad and has generally been at the top of the scoring charts at club level when fit. There's a gap there for him if he impresses.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 07, 2020, 10:11:52 PM
Anyone have update on Bradley or Darragh Canavan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 07, 2020, 11:21:15 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 07, 2020, 10:11:52 PM
Anyone have update on Bradley or Darragh Canavan?

Canavan didn't play for the u20s recently and Murnaghan did so maybe he has a knock or is unavailable at present. I'd imagine the u20s won't take any part in the league in any case. Murnaghan starts tomorrow but I'd say he's only really there for development purposes.

Bradley I assume is being eased back in.

Take it Lee Brennan won't be involved this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2020, 09:58:56 PM
Coney the only survivor from the weekend.

Interesting to see how Ronan McHugh gets on, he's had a lot of bad luck with injuries but he is a big lad and has generally been at the top of the scoring charts at club level when fit. There's a gap there for him if he impresses.

For all the talk of men who aren't in team or panel on this board - this is the fella who could really make it, if his injuries have healed and he's the same player he can come from nowhere this year I think. A better footballer than McShane, but its just where his body is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 08, 2020, 01:12:50 PM
I see Tadgh Kennelly saying that McShane can't play AFL this year, as he is not in the final list of players submitted to the league for 2020, so he should be able to play Championship for Tyrone...

https://hoganstand.com/Tyrone/Article/Index/307227
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on January 08, 2020, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 08, 2020, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on January 07, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 07, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
Teamtalk only put a story together based on half truths of rumours circulating round the county over the Christmas period. The only people that know the full picture are the player himself and those closest to him which probably includes Mickey Harte as he was the first one to mention a 2 week trial period. There's a good chance he'll be back in the Tyrone squad for the national league which can only be good news for Gaels in the county

Good chance ?
Honestly?

Tadgh Kennelly seems to think so too but we'll all just have to wait and see boss

When he gets a taste for Australia there will be more chance of me playing full forward for Tyrone this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2020, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 08, 2020, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on January 07, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 07, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
Teamtalk only put a story together based on half truths of rumours circulating round the county over the Christmas period. The only people that know the full picture are the player himself and those closest to him which probably includes Mickey Harte as he was the first one to mention a 2 week trial period. There's a good chance he'll be back in the Tyrone squad for the national league which can only be good news for Gaels in the county

Good chance ?
Honestly?

Tadgh Kennelly seems to think so too but we'll all just have to wait and see boss

If he signs to either club as an international rookie category B he can be registered mid season. I don't know if either of these clubs already have someone signed in that category but I think you lose a place in the next draft as a result. It's something like that, but AFAIK he would be free to play AFL footy midseason and what's more likely, immediately ready to play VFL - Which itself, can be brutal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 08, 2020, 03:09:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2020, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 08, 2020, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on January 07, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 07, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
Teamtalk only put a story together based on half truths of rumours circulating round the county over the Christmas period. The only people that know the full picture are the player himself and those closest to him which probably includes Mickey Harte as he was the first one to mention a 2 week trial period. There's a good chance he'll be back in the Tyrone squad for the national league which can only be good news for Gaels in the county

Good chance ?
Honestly?

Tadgh Kennelly seems to think so too but we'll all just have to wait and see boss

If he signs to either club as an international rookie category B he can be registered mid season. I don't know if either of these clubs already have someone signed in that category but I think you lose a place in the next draft as a result. It's something like that, but AFAIK he would be free to play AFL footy midseason and what's more likely, immediately ready to play VFL - Which itself, can be brutal.

https://www.offtheball.com/football/cathal-mcshane-tadhg-kennelly-946144

Kennelly says the deadline has passed for them to register him before the season starts and that its extremely unlikely they would register him mid-season. I know nothing about the ins and outs of the AFL transfer or draft system but if what Kennelly says is true there has been a crazy about of nonsense spouted in the media over the past week, with nobody having a clue about what's going on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 08, 2020, 09:46:32 PM
Sounded like a cracker tonight. Ronan O'Neill seemed to have delivered a serious performance, kudos for him to come back and give it another shot as I had him written off. Should put himself in contention for a starting spot in the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 08, 2020, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

I thought you only come out in September/October time to tell us the team news from Annagher?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 09, 2020, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 08, 2020, 09:46:32 PM
Sounded like a cracker tonight. Ronan O'Neill seemed to have delivered a serious performance, kudos for him to come back and give it another shot as I had him written off. Should put himself in contention for a starting spot in the league.

Was kinda hard to tell, only saw one clip of him scoring the goal but he looked a bit leaner than he did last time I seen him which I think was a problem before. Good to see, all the talent in the world just the dreaded ACL.

How did Ronan McHugh get on anyone know?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 09, 2020, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 08, 2020, 09:46:32 PM
Sounded like a cracker tonight. Ronan O'Neill seemed to have delivered a serious performance, kudos for him to come back and give it another shot as I had him written off. Should put himself in contention for a starting spot in the league.

Was kinda hard to tell, only saw one clip of him scoring the goal but he looked a bit leaner than he did last time I seen him which I think was a problem before. Good to see, all the talent in the world just the dreaded ACL.

How did Ronan McHugh get on anyone know?
Didn't play in the full forward line and struggled to get into the game. Kicked a nice point during the first half along with 2 decent free kicks.
If he's going to have any impact for Tyrone he'll have to be in the full forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 09, 2020, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 09, 2020, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 08, 2020, 09:46:32 PM
Sounded like a cracker tonight. Ronan O'Neill seemed to have delivered a serious performance, kudos for him to come back and give it another shot as I had him written off. Should put himself in contention for a starting spot in the league.

Was kinda hard to tell, only saw one clip of him scoring the goal but he looked a bit leaner than he did last time I seen him which I think was a problem before. Good to see, all the talent in the world just the dreaded ACL.

How did Ronan McHugh get on anyone know?
Didn't play in the full forward line and struggled to get into the game. Kicked a nice point during the first half along with 2 decent free kicks.
If he's going to have any impact for Tyrone he'll have to be in the full forward line.
Where was he playing? Typical Harte move to be fair, why did we expect him to play in the full forward line? Hes only been top scorer in the league what 3 or 4 times?? Throw him in half back to f**k. The only reason I can logically think of is for fitness, any other reason is stupid
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on January 09, 2020, 11:06:47 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 09, 2020, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 09, 2020, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 08, 2020, 09:46:32 PM
Sounded like a cracker tonight. Ronan O'Neill seemed to have delivered a serious performance, kudos for him to come back and give it another shot as I had him written off. Should put himself in contention for a starting spot in the league.

Was kinda hard to tell, only saw one clip of him scoring the goal but he looked a bit leaner than he did last time I seen him which I think was a problem before. Good to see, all the talent in the world just the dreaded ACL.

How did Ronan McHugh get on anyone know?
Didn't play in the full forward line and struggled to get into the game. Kicked a nice point during the first half along with 2 decent free kicks.
If he's going to have any impact for Tyrone he'll have to be in the full forward line.
Where was he playing? Typical Harte move to be fair, why did we expect him to play in the full forward line? Hes only been top scorer in the league what 3 or 4 times?? Throw him in half back to f**k. The only reason I can logically think of is for fitness, any other reason is stupid

He was playing around half forward most of the game. I thought he did very well considering it's his first game in about 15 months.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on January 09, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
There are some highlights on the BBC NI Twitter https://twitter.com/BBCSPORTNI

Don't click into the match report there are actual individual tweets for some scores including the drop into the net.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 09, 2020, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.

Go away with your perfectly balanced, reasoned and fair views. They have no place here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on January 09, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
There are some highlights on the BBC NI Twitter https://twitter.com/BBCSPORTNI

Don't click into the match report there are actual individual tweets for some scores including the drop into the net.

The drop into the net would end most rookie players participation for a while but not to worry ballygawley players get a few extra chances as we all know!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on January 09, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
There are some highlights on the BBC NI Twitter https://twitter.com/BBCSPORTNI

Don't click into the match report there are actual individual tweets for some scores including the drop into the net.

The drop into the net would end most rookie players participation for a while but not to worry ballygawley players get a few extra chances as we all know!

Reminiscent of all star Plunkett Donaghy's mistake which gifted Derry a national league title.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?

Would you not be safer going and finding a new hobby that you enjoyed instead of whinging on here about Harte and the county team day after day?

Tyrone scored 3-18 last night and played some lovely football, anyone who actually follows the team will have enjoyed the game.

Similarly it's ridiculous coming on picking on lads because of their clubs. Coalisland men have made plenty of mistakes in Tyrone jerseys too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?

Would you not be safer going and finding a new hobby that you enjoyed instead of whinging on here about Harte and the county team day after day?

Tyrone scored 3-18 last night and played some lovely football, anyone who actually follows the team will have enjoyed the game.

Similarly it's ridiculous coming on picking on lads because of their clubs. Coalisland men have made plenty of mistakes in Tyrone jerseys too.

Young McKernan has made enough mistakes in a Tyrone jersey in his short career so far but still remains a regular. It might not suit his agenda though.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
There you have it lads, we scored 3-18 in Mc Kenna cup. All is good in the hood.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
There you have it lads, we scored 3-18 in Mc Kenna cup. All is good in the hood.

You'd be the very one ringing the alarm bells if we lost either game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 09, 2020, 02:12:01 PM
Great game last night looks like Down and Donegal be seriously understrength due to Sigerson.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
There you have it lads, we scored 3-18 in Mc Kenna cup. All is good in the hood.

You'd be the very one ringing the alarm bells if we lost either game.
alarm bells have been ringing in my head for near 10 years now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on January 09, 2020, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 09, 2020, 02:12:01 PM
Great game last night looks like Down and Donegal be seriously understrength due to Sigerson.

Down already missing their Kilcoo Players so would expect a comfortable enough game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?

Would you not be safer going and finding a new hobby that you enjoyed instead of whinging on here about Harte and the county team day after day?

Tyrone scored 3-18 last night and played some lovely football, anyone who actually follows the team will have enjoyed the game.

Similarly it's ridiculous coming on picking on lads because of their clubs. Coalisland men have made plenty of mistakes in Tyrone jerseys too.

Young McKernan has made enough mistakes in a Tyrone jersey in his short career so far but still remains a regular. It might not suit his agenda though.

This is a discussion board for people to voice their opinions or should we never question any players selection or ability?
 
Personally I don't think he's good enough.... a calamitous error last night after rolling out the red carpet for donegals goal last year.

Mckernan has played 2 years for Tyrone one of which he was nominated for young player of the year.  Looking alright to me!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?

Would you not be safer going and finding a new hobby that you enjoyed instead of whinging on here about Harte and the county team day after day?

Tyrone scored 3-18 last night and played some lovely football, anyone who actually follows the team will have enjoyed the game.

Similarly it's ridiculous coming on picking on lads because of their clubs. Coalisland men have made plenty of mistakes in Tyrone jerseys too.

Young McKernan has made enough mistakes in a Tyrone jersey in his short career so far but still remains a regular. It might not suit his agenda though.

This is a discussion board for people to voice their opinions or should we never question any players selection or ability?
 
Personally I don't think he's good enough.... a calamitous error last night after rolling out the red carpet for donegals goal last year.

Mckernan has played 2 years for Tyrone one of which he was nominated for young player of the year.  Looking alright to me!

McKernan has a tendency to get drawn towards the ball which has already cost us numerous goals in Championship football, sadly he keeps repeating these mistakes.

Last year was McDonnell's first year getting some regular football in the Championship and League, he made some mistakes, he also had some decent displays - just like McKernan.

Speaking of Donegal last year, McKernan's man helped himself to 1-03 from play in that game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?

Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?

Would you not be safer going and finding a new hobby that you enjoyed instead of whinging on here about Harte and the county team day after day?

Tyrone scored 3-18 last night and played some lovely football, anyone who actually follows the team will have enjoyed the game.

Similarly it's ridiculous coming on picking on lads because of their clubs. Coalisland men have made plenty of mistakes in Tyrone jerseys too.

Young McKernan has made enough mistakes in a Tyrone jersey in his short career so far but still remains a regular. It might not suit his agenda though.

This is a discussion board for people to voice their opinions or should we never question any players selection or ability?
 
Personally I don't think he's good enough.... a calamitous error last night after rolling out the red carpet for donegals goal last year.

Mckernan has played 2 years for Tyrone one of which he was nominated for young player of the year.  Looking alright to me!

McKernan has a tendency to get drawn towards the ball which has already cost us numerous goals in Championship football, sadly he keeps repeating these mistakes.

Last year was McDonnell's first year getting some regular football in the Championship and League, he made some mistakes, he also had some decent displays - just like McKernan.

Speaking of Donegal last year, McKernan's man helped himself to 1-03 from play in that game.

When he drops one through his hands into the back of the onion bag come back to me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?



Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?

Would you not be safer going and finding a new hobby that you enjoyed instead of whinging on here about Harte and the county team day after day?

Tyrone scored 3-18 last night and played some lovely football, anyone who actually follows the team will have enjoyed the game.

Similarly it's ridiculous coming on picking on lads because of their clubs. Coalisland men have made plenty of mistakes in Tyrone jerseys too.

Young McKernan has made enough mistakes in a Tyrone jersey in his short career so far but still remains a regular. It might not suit his agenda though.

This is a discussion board for people to voice their opinions or should we never question any players selection or ability?
 
Personally I don't think he's good enough.... a calamitous error last night after rolling out the red carpet for donegals goal last year.

Mckernan has played 2 years for Tyrone one of which he was nominated for young player of the year.  Looking alright to me!

McKernan has a tendency to get drawn towards the ball which has already cost us numerous goals in Championship football, sadly he keeps repeating these mistakes.

Last year was McDonnell's first year getting some regular football in the Championship and League, he made some mistakes, he also had some decent displays - just like McKernan.

Speaking of Donegal last year, McKernan's man helped himself to 1-03 from play in that game.

When he drops one through his hands into the back of the onion bag come back to me.

Will you be leading the march for him to be ran off the county squad then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?



Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?

Would you not be safer going and finding a new hobby that you enjoyed instead of whinging on here about Harte and the county team day after day?

Tyrone scored 3-18 last night and played some lovely football, anyone who actually follows the team will have enjoyed the game.

Similarly it's ridiculous coming on picking on lads because of their clubs. Coalisland men have made plenty of mistakes in Tyrone jerseys too.

Young McKernan has made enough mistakes in a Tyrone jersey in his short career so far but still remains a regular. It might not suit his agenda though.

This is a discussion board for people to voice their opinions or should we never question any players selection or ability?
 
Personally I don't think he's good enough.... a calamitous error last night after rolling out the red carpet for donegals goal last year.

Mckernan has played 2 years for Tyrone one of which he was nominated for young player of the year.  Looking alright to me!

McKernan has a tendency to get drawn towards the ball which has already cost us numerous goals in Championship football, sadly he keeps repeating these mistakes.

Last year was McDonnell's first year getting some regular football in the Championship and League, he made some mistakes, he also had some decent displays - just like McKernan.

Speaking of Donegal last year, McKernan's man helped himself to 1-03 from play in that game.

When he drops one through his hands into the back of the onion bag come back to me.

Will you be leading the march for him to be ran off the county squad then?

Yea we are marching on garvaghey next week you coming?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
We marching on garvaghy? Will I bring a pitchfork?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 10, 2020, 09:37:40 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 09, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 09, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on January 08, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
Did one of der fuhrer's ballygawley disciples drop the ball over his head into the net tonight?



Most of Ireland denigrates Tyrone and the players as individuals severely over the last 20 years or so. Should we not be trying to support players as much as possible, and f**k the rest? No one likes us, we don't care etc. Support helps I would've thought.

The cub made an error. It happens.
unfortunately alot of Tyrone people are fed up with what goes on in the county at the minute. You can't see that?

Would you not be safer going and finding a new hobby that you enjoyed instead of whinging on here about Harte and the county team day after day?

Tyrone scored 3-18 last night and played some lovely football, anyone who actually follows the team will have enjoyed the game.

Similarly it's ridiculous coming on picking on lads because of their clubs. Coalisland men have made plenty of mistakes in Tyrone jerseys too.

Young McKernan has made enough mistakes in a Tyrone jersey in his short career so far but still remains a regular. It might not suit his agenda though.

This is a discussion board for people to voice their opinions or should we never question any players selection or ability?
 
Personally I don't think he's good enough.... a calamitous error last night after rolling out the red carpet for donegals goal last year.

Mckernan has played 2 years for Tyrone one of which he was nominated for young player of the year.  Looking alright to me!

McKernan has a tendency to get drawn towards the ball which has already cost us numerous goals in Championship football, sadly he keeps repeating these mistakes.

Last year was McDonnell's first year getting some regular football in the Championship and League, he made some mistakes, he also had some decent displays - just like McKernan.

Speaking of Donegal last year, McKernan's man helped himself to 1-03 from play in that game.

When he drops one through his hands into the back of the onion bag come back to me.

Will you be leading the march for him to be ran off the county squad then?

Yea we are marching on garvaghey next week you coming?

LE confirmed in Garvaghy next week.....Fianna will be running 24/7 surveillance....the search continues.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Conall McCann is the worst county footballer Tyrone has ever had.. Id give some of the errigal thirds a run before him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on January 10, 2020, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Conall McCann is the worst county footballer Tyrone has ever had.. Id give some of the errigal thirds a run before him
I think he has won man of the match awards playing for Tyrone. Maybe not thee worst.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 10, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on January 10, 2020, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Conall McCann is the worst county footballer Tyrone has ever had.. Id give some of the errigal thirds a run before him
I think he has won man of the match awards playing for Tyrone. Maybe not thee worst.

Did Conall McCann not win Man of the Match vs Derry in Ulster Championship a few years ago? Fully merits his place on the squad IMO. Who would you pick on the panel instead of him (genuinely interested)?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:20:16 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on January 10, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on January 10, 2020, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.


He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Conall McCann is the worst county footballer Tyrone has ever had.. Id give some of the errigal thirds a run before him
I think he has won man of the match awards playing for Tyrone. Maybe not thee worst.

Did Conall McCann not win Man of the Match vs Derry in Ulster Championship a few years ago? Fully merits his place on the squad IMO. Who would you pick on the panel instead of him (genuinely interested)?

He did.

I'm not C McCann's biggest fan, this is his 6th year on the senior panel now and he's not looked like nailing down a regular spot. He's not a bad player but I think it's worth look at other options.

It will be interesting to see who Harte culls after this year's McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 10, 2020, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Colm cavanagh and Mc Shane both played starring roles in all Ireland winning underage teams so not the same comparison.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on January 10, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on January 10, 2020, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Conall McCann is the worst county footballer Tyrone has ever had.. Id give some of the errigal thirds a run before him
I think he has won man of the match awards playing for Tyrone. Maybe not thee worst.

Did Conall McCann not win Man of the Match vs Derry in Ulster Championship a few years ago? Fully merits his place on the squad IMO. Who would you pick on the panel instead of him (genuinely interested)?
In terms of who is better there is an unlimited number of better players (than him). But not a lot of them ready/going to make Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 10, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Conall McCann is the worst county footballer Tyrone has ever had.. Id give some of the errigal thirds a run before him
FFS lads use a bit of cop on. There's no need for bitchy comments like this. Fair criticism is fine but no need to try and really put the boot into players who despite what you think of their ability give a lot to Tyrone football. This site has went to f**k lately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on January 10, 2020, 03:07:26 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 10, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Conall McCann is the worst county footballer Tyrone has ever had.. Id give some of the errigal thirds a run before him
FFS lads use a bit of cop on. There's no need for bitchy comments like this. Fair criticism is fine but no need to try and really put the boot into players who despite what you think of their ability give a lot to Tyrone football. This site has went to f**k lately.

agree with this statement fully, not a forum to destroy players who train nearly every day of the week. Some of the lads on the county team mightn't be playing much or be as good as other players on it but they're still out there every night training and pushing the other lads on, making them better players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 10, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
Some of the over the top personal attacks in the club forum are out of order too. Not great stuff lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 10, 2020, 04:12:51 PM
Conal Mc Cann is a dedicated lad who always puts in a shift.No need for criticism for his efforts wish i could have been as good as him lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
I see no need for a panel of 45 lads, exempting them all from playing club games. Other side of the scale there is lads on here slating boys for walking away from the panel. Maybe im not a team player but in my eyes if your not in the first 24/26 and getting your chance to play/start/impact.. why are you there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on January 10, 2020, 04:37:45 PM
Are there 45 players on the Tyrone panel??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 04:37:45 PM
Are there 45 players on the Tyrone panel??
MAybe a slight exaggeration but it wouldn't be far off
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on January 10, 2020, 04:54:33 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 04:37:45 PM
Are there 45 players on the Tyrone panel??
MAybe a slight exaggeration but it wouldn't be far off

They normally carry around 34 players on the Championship panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 10, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 04:37:45 PM
Are there 45 players on the Tyrone panel??
MAybe a slight exaggeration but it wouldn't be far off

I count 37 based on who I'm aware is involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 10, 2020, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on January 10, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 04:37:45 PM
Are there 45 players on the Tyrone panel??
MAybe a slight exaggeration but it wouldn't be far off

I count 37 based on who I'm aware is involved.

Realistically you need that number to play in house games allowing for injuries and unavailability. Not much craic only 12 or 13 at training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 11, 2020, 12:19:28 PM
Agreed 36-38 players would seem a reasonable squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 11, 2020, 04:20:24 PM
Tyrone U20 Panel:
Eunan Devlin - Ardboe
Cormac Munroe - Carrickmore
Ruairi Slane - Carrickmore
Lorcan McBride - Carrickmore
Ryan McCabe - Clonoe
Tiarnan Quinn (VC) - Coalisland
Lorcan Quinn - Donaghmore
James McCann - Donaghmore
Caolan Slevin - Dromore
Cathal Colton - Dromore
Mark McGale - Dromore
Aaron Montgormery - Drumragh
Kevin Barker - Dungannon
Ryan Jones - Dungannon
Conall Devlin - Dungannon
Neil Kilpatrick - Edendork
Ethan Jordan - Eglish
Darragh Canavan - Errigal Ciaran
Joe Oguz - Errigal Ciaran
Cormac Quinn - Errigal Ciaran
Tiarnan Colhoun - Errigal Ciaran
Ronan Hollywood - Greencastle
Daniel Millar - Killeeshil
Tomas Hoy - Killeeshil
Matthew McCusker - Killeeshil
Matthew Murnaghan - Killyclogher
Antoin Fox (C) - Loughmacrory
Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
Tom Donaghy - Omagh
Lorcan Kilpatrick - Pomeroy
Ronan Duffin - Pomeroy
Conor Ward - Rock
Shane Murphy - Rock
Simon Garrity - Trillick
Michael Gallagher - Trillick
Liam Gray - Trillick

Good panel of players on paper. You would have high hopes for this team.
First two development league results wouldnt inspire confidence, losing to Louth and poor against Antrim. Although obviously not near strongest team out in either of those two games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 11, 2020, 07:00:48 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 04:31:38 PM
I see no need for a panel of 45 lads, exempting them all from playing club games. Other side of the scale there is lads on here slating boys for walking away from the panel. Maybe im not a team player but in my eyes if your not in the first 24/26 and getting your chance to play/start/impact.. why are you there
Another 36 on the u20 panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on January 11, 2020, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on January 10, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 10, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: The Golden Years on January 10, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 09, 2020, 08:44:06 PM
McDonnell and grugan actually bossed midfield area in first half last night against two Armagh starters. McDonnell showed great pace bursting forward though was wasteful. Wouldn't shock me if like others before he went on to become a decent county player at some point despite online criticism from boys who don't even go to games.

He may become a good county player but would he get this opportunity to become a good county player if he wasn't from Errigal?  There was plenty of players down through the years with great ability that won't afforded this luxury of getting time to prove their worth.

Colm Cavanagh and Cathal McShane are two non Errigal players given the opportunity over a number of years when many had it in for them saying they shouldn't be near the team. Many people have had issues with the chances given to Conall McCann for example. There are numerous other non Errigal players who's inclusion have been questioned at times.

Using Errigal to beat these young lads with is very unfair.
Conall McCann is the worst county footballer Tyrone has ever had.. Id give some of the errigal thirds a run before him


Shut up you dick.
He's a decent squad player and seems a humble decent lad.
Go and grow up kid.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 12, 2020, 08:42:31 AM
What's the story with Mark Hayes of Killyclogher, looked the main forward for the u17s a couple of years back but not on the u20 panel? Is he injured?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on January 12, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
Hayes came on against Ardboe in last year's minor championship semi final.
Didn't seem to be in the best condition,perhaps he was coming back from injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 12, 2020, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: Peter john on January 12, 2020, 10:02:46 AM
What the f**k in A MC Croft doing still on the panel never mind starting McKenna cup semi

;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 12, 2020, 10:43:03 AM
Quote from: Peter john on January 12, 2020, 10:02:46 AM
What the f**k in A MC Croft doing still on the panel never mind starting McKenna cup semi

Interesting analysis from the Antrim declared Peter John
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 12, 2020, 07:46:24 PM
Anyone any reports from the game today?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2020, 08:28:25 PM
Tyrone were sloppy with some passing early on, goal got them going - quick thinking by Sludden. Down were awful in the first half couldn't get any ball into their forward line - Hugh Pat and McNamee were keeping it tight. McCurry had a brilliant first half - looked the sharpest of the forwards, few nice efforts outside of the boot, probably in the form of his life at the moment considering the Tyrone championship last year also. McCann and O'Neill were showing reasonably well in the first half, not good second half - O'Neill on my count dropped 4 shots short over the course of the game. Burns got on a lot of ball and used it well - you'd hope to see him become more of a leader this year, need lads like himself to push on another level. Grimes didn't look out of place for a newcomer- won a few breaking balls etc. seems to do the dirty work well.. Coney done his usual role - passing around the middle, to me he looked slow and he's not a scoring threat either. McDonnell gave away a few poor balls.
Game was already but Down picked up after half time, got it back to 4 i think at one stage - Sludden and K McGeary went off early 2nd half maybe had an effect. Tyrone were running down a lot of blind alleys.

Did McKernan pick up an injury in the Sigerson - see UU's twitter wishing him a speedy recovery?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 12, 2020, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2020, 08:28:25 PM
Tyrone were sloppy with some passing early on, goal got them going - quick thinking by Sludden. Down were awful in the first half couldn't get any ball into their forward line - Hugh Pat and McNamee were keeping it tight. McCurry had a brilliant first half - looked the sharpest of the forwards, few nice efforts outside of the boot, probably in the form of his life at the moment considering the Tyrone championship last year also. McCann and O'Neill were showing reasonably well in the first half, not good second half - O'Neill on my count dropped 4 shots short over the course of the game. Burns got on a lot of ball and used it well - you'd hope to see him become more of a leader this year, need lads like himself to push on another level. Grimes didn't look out of place for a newcomer- won a few breaking balls etc. seems to do the dirty work well.. Coney done his usual role - passing around the middle, to me he looked slow and he's not a scoring threat either. McDonnell gave away a few poor balls.
Game was already but Down picked up after half time, got it back to 4 i think at one stage - Sludden and K McGeary went off early 2nd half maybe had an effect. Tyrone were running down a lot of blind alleys.

Did McKernan pick up an injury in the Sigerson - see UU's twitter wishing him a speedy recovery?

McCurry seems to be in good form so far going by reports.

I think Coney is worth persisting with in the league, he's getting a good run of games so far. Not sure if he's the answer but he does give us qualities that we don't really have in the squad.

We've yet to see Harte, Hampsey, Cavanagh, Bradley Meyler and Richie Donnelly this season? Are they carrying injuries or just being given a bit extra time off. With the likes of Mattie out for the season, McShane probably off and a few other injuries we will be looking for more players to step up as you have said. Hopefully Burns is one of them, not sure what is best position is though. He's got great energy, plays with his head up and carries a scoring threat but I think he has a tendency to lose his own man in a defensive respect and can be a bit erratic with his shooting.

Good to see McHugh get on the scoresheet in his brief cameo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 12, 2020, 09:23:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start

Players that didn't start today?

If all available, I'd say

Certain starters:
M Donnelly
Harte
R Brennan
Morgan
McShane
Hampsey

And probably 4 or 5 of the rest would be battling with each other for starting spots, we do have a lot of competition in the squad which is healthy, I think we're just lacking a bit of star quality in the forward line - even moreso with McShane off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 13, 2020, 09:22:31 AM
Meyler will start on any Tyrone game Harte is in charge, if fit. He loves him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 13, 2020, 10:37:57 AM
I have to say. Fair play to these lads and management for putting these results together. We know where we probably are and may struggle, but anybody that went to some awful div 3 games with Tyrone in the 80s would know that there is still a bating of any county team and Tyrone are trying hard and at this stage of the season progressing fine. Fair play to the Conall Mc Cann's and the Ben o Donnells. Reading on here ye would wonder why they bother sometimes. Give credit to the effort.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on January 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start
Hamsey 
M Donnelly
Brennan
Morgan 
Harte   
Cavanagh 
B Kennedy
Can see these all on the sheet, if fit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 13, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: rrhf on January 13, 2020, 10:37:57 AM
I have to say. Fair play to these lads and management for putting these results together. We know where we probably are and may struggle, but anybody that went to some awful div 3 games with Tyrone in the 80s would know that there is still a bating of any county team and Tyrone are trying hard and at this stage of the season progressing fine. Fair play to the Conall Mc Cann's and the Ben o Donnells. Reading on here ye would wonder why they bother sometimes. Give credit to the effort.

Conall McCann had a fine game yesterday I thought. Scored 1-2 from play, provided a few assists and showed he is well capable of winning ball at full forward. He was unlucky in the second half too with confusion around an attacking mark that he thought he took.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 13, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start
Hamsey 
M Donnelly
Brennan
Morgan 
Harte   
Cavanagh 
B Kennedy
Can see these all on the sheet, if fit


Harte still on honeymoon. Mid feb by the  time he is back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 13, 2020, 07:37:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 13, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start
Hamsey 
M Donnelly
Brennan
Morgan 
Harte   
Cavanagh 
B Kennedy
Can see these all on the sheet, if fit


Harte still on honeymoon. Mid feb by the  time he is back

Isn't Harte a teacher? How does he get the time off?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on January 13, 2020, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2020, 07:37:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 13, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start
Hamsey 
M Donnelly
Brennan
Morgan 
Harte   
Cavanagh 
B Kennedy
Can see these all on the sheet, if fit


Harte still on honeymoon. Mid feb by the  time he is back

Isn't Harte a teacher? How does he get the time off?

Unpaid leave????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on January 13, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 13, 2020, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2020, 07:37:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 13, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start
Hamsey 
M Donnelly
Brennan
Morgan 
Harte   
Cavanagh 
B Kennedy
Can see these all on the sheet, if fit


Harte still on honeymoon. Mid feb by the  time he is back

Isn't Harte a teacher? How does he get the time off?

Unpaid leave????

If all players are fit it will be a difficult choice on who makes the cut as many at a similar level and time for men to take the step forward if they have it. Still the lack of inside forwards without McShane though the opportunity is there for someone to put their handup in the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 13, 2020, 10:50:06 PM
Hampsey still far from fit. Had op and slow recovery
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 14, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 13, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 13, 2020, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2020, 07:37:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 13, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start
Hamsey 
M Donnelly
Brennan
Morgan 
Harte   
Cavanagh 
B Kennedy
Can see these all on the sheet, if fit


Harte still on honeymoon. Mid feb by the  time he is back

Isn't Harte a teacher? How does he get the time off?

Unpaid leave????

If all players are fit it will be a difficult choice on who makes the cut as many at a similar level and time for men to take the step forward if they have it. Still the lack of inside forwards without McShane though the opportunity is there for someone to put their handup in the league.

The inside mark once won't just benefit the bigger forwards, clever smaller men like O'Neill/Bradley will thrive under quick ball in. Provided they get it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 14, 2020, 09:27:31 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 14, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 13, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 13, 2020, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2020, 07:37:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 13, 2020, 05:36:53 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 13, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Hamsey
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
T McCann
Harte
McShane
M Cassidy
Cavanagh
M McKernan
B Kennedy
Meyler


Question lads. How many of these would start
Hamsey 
M Donnelly
Brennan
Morgan 
Harte   
Cavanagh 
B Kennedy
Can see these all on the sheet, if fit


Harte still on honeymoon. Mid feb by the  time he is back

Isn't Harte a teacher? How does he get the time off?

Unpaid leave????

If all players are fit it will be a difficult choice on who makes the cut as many at a similar level and time for men to take the step forward if they have it. Still the lack of inside forwards without McShane though the opportunity is there for someone to put their handup in the league.

The inside mark once won't just benefit the bigger forwards, clever smaller men like O'Neill/Bradley will thrive under quick ball in. Provided they get it.

The problem is the ball has to be perfect for the likes of O'Neill and Bradley. McShane was the type of guy who could win it any way, under pressure or not. If the ball goes into Bradley it has to be low and there's a good chance with type of ball that it will hit the ground before reaching him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 14, 2020, 09:52:27 AM
It's not that it would need to be perfect, but you would have to commit to having at least two options to kick to in the FF line in order for it to remotely work. The benefit with McShane or the bigger man would be you could get away with a one man FF line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 14, 2020, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 14, 2020, 09:52:27 AM
It's not that it would need to be perfect, but you would have to commit to having at least two options to kick to in the FF line in order for it to remotely work. The benefit with McShane or the bigger man would be you could get away with a one man FF line.

If teams play with sweepers or drop players deep the only way is to play it in over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 16, 2020, 10:14:23 AM
Tyrone/Donegal games should be tasty this year. Shots been fired by Mc namee and harte, Barry Monaghan with a shot back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on January 17, 2020, 09:19:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 16, 2020, 10:14:23 AM
Tyrone/Donegal games should be tasty this year. Shots been fired by Mc namee and harte, Barry Monaghan with a shot back.

Whats been said??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 17, 2020, 11:52:10 AM
Harte had a dig at Donegal for not fielding against Monaghan, Mc namee done likewise. Barry Monaghan came out and said harte should keep his nose out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on January 17, 2020, 12:42:37 PM
Rule Number One: Always play an Errigal man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: under the bar on January 18, 2020, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: Eastie on January 17, 2020, 12:42:37 PM
Rule Number One: Always play an Errigal man.

Cos it was Errigal men who delivered the 3 Sams! ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 18, 2020, 09:49:32 PM
Poor enough game tonight, plenty of dew on the surface which meant the ball didn't bounce and there were a lot of handling errors.

McCurry was the star man for Tyrone when he came in, showed well for the ball and hit a number of lovely points. Ronan O'Neill scored a few nice points as well but struggled to win his own ball.

I thought Michael O'Neill looked very good at no 6, got on a lot of ball, made a few good turnovers and chipped in with a nice point in the first half. He may have put himself in the reckoning for next weekend. Kerr started off well, won a bit of ball and has a nice turn of pace and hit a good point early on but went very quiet for the remainder of the game, looks like he is worth keeping around for the league. Thought Quinn was solid at corner back, he's a good frame on him but is all bone at the minute and I'd say he needs a year or two in the gym before he'll force himself in that defence.

We had Burns at FF and he won a lot of ball but I think he looks like a fish out of water there, he didn't look comfortable there, hit a few wild shots and doesn't seem to be able to turn on the run so ended up 10 yards further back everytime he collected the ball. It's an experiment not worth looking at again for me.

McNamee and Hugh Pat were very good at the back, solid and won their battles fairly comprehensively. Colm Cavanagh got on an awful lot of ball in the first half and seems in good shape, he played as an orthodox midfielder tonight and had a good first half. Grugan really underwhelmed again and could be one of those likely to get the chop if we are cutting down the squad before the league. Tiarnan McCann had a poor enough game too. Meyler and McGeary got through a lot of work as usual.

I'd like to see something like the following for Meath next weekend.

1. Morgan
2. HP McGeary
3. McNamee
4. R Brennan
5. F Burns
6. M O'Neill
7. Rafferty
8. Cavanagh
9. Kilpatrick
10. K McGeary
11. Coney
12. Sludden
13. McCurry
14. C McCann
15. R O'Neill

That full forward line isn't going to put fear into anyone but we are bereft of a lot of options at the minute, Donnelly and Harte would be in there if available. McShane and Skeet are gone and I didn't think Burns worked there tonight. C McCann seems to have done ok in his two outings there so far so he should get the chance next weekend.

I'd give R O'Neill the benefit of the doubt tonight, we will probably need someone for the frees from the left and while he struggled to win ball he did finish off with a few nice points from play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 18, 2020, 10:03:57 PM
I actually think Burns is worth another game or two at full forward. Played well there last year for Pomeroy (I know I know it's not the same level) and felt he was a good outlet there tonight. Michael O'Neill did himself no harm tonight at all and would be surprised if he was left out next Sunday. If 6 months ago you'd have said C McCann and RON would be in our full forward line for the first league game then you would be fearing the worst. I just don't think they are up to the level but we'll soon find out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 18, 2020, 10:15:03 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 18, 2020, 10:03:57 PM
I actually think Burns is worth another game or two at full forward. Played well there last year for Pomeroy (I know I know it's not the same level) and felt he was a good outlet there tonight. Michael O'Neill did himself no harm tonight at all and would be surprised if he was left out next Sunday. If 6 months ago you'd have said C McCann and RON would be in our full forward line for the first league game then you would be fearing the worst. I just don't think they are up to the level but we'll soon find out.

He won a lot of ball but he just looked so unnatural when he had to try and make a shooting opportunity out of it. He was running straight onto the ball.

The great thing about McShane was his movement first and foremost, he was superb last year in the angles he was able to come at the ball off. Burns is a good player, he's not a full forward for me though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 18, 2020, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 18, 2020, 09:49:32 PM
Poor enough game tonight, plenty of dew on the surface which meant the ball didn't bounce and there were a lot of handling errors.

McCurry was the star man for Tyrone when he came in, showed well for the ball and hit a number of lovely points. Ronan O'Neill scored a few nice points as well but struggled to win his own ball.

I thought Michael O'Neill looked very good at no 6, got on a lot of ball, made a few good turnovers and chipped in with a nice point in the first half. He may have put himself in the reckoning for next weekend. Kerr started off well, won a bit of ball and has a nice turn of pace and hit a good point early on but went very quiet for the remainder of the game, looks like he is worth keeping around for the league. Thought Quinn was solid at corner back, he's a good frame on him but is all bone at the minute and I'd say he needs a year or two in the gym before he'll force himself in that defence.

We had Burns at FF and he won a lot of ball but I think he looks like a fish out of water there, he didn't look comfortable there, hit a few wild shots and doesn't seem to be able to turn on the run so ended up 10 yards further back everytime he collected the ball. It's an experiment not worth looking at again for me.

McNamee and Hugh Pat were very good at the back, solid and won their battles fairly comprehensively. Colm Cavanagh got on an awful lot of ball in the first half and seems in good shape, he played as an orthodox midfielder tonight and had a good first half. Grugan really underwhelmed again and could be one of those likely to get the chop if we are cutting down the squad before the league. Tiarnan McCann had a poor enough game too. Meyler and McGeary got through a lot of work as usual.

I'd like to see something like the following for Meath next weekend.

1. Morgan
2. HP McGeary
3. McNamee
4. R Brennan
5. F Burns
6. M O'Neill
7. Rafferty
8. Cavanagh
9. Kilpatrick
10. K McGeary
11. Coney
12. Sludden
13. McCurry
14. C McCann
15. R O'Neill

That full forward line isn't going to put fear into anyone but we are bereft of a lot of options at the minute, Donnelly and Harte would be in there if available. McShane and Skeet are gone and I didn't think Burns worked there tonight. C McCann seems to have done ok in his two outings there so far so he should get the chance next weekend.

I'd give R O'Neill the benefit of the doubt tonight, we will probably need someone for the frees from the left and while he struggled to win ball he did finish off with a few nice points from play.
1. Morgan
2. Rafferty
3. McNamee
4. HP McGeary
5. Cassidy
6. R Brennan
7. M O'Neill
8. Cavanagh
9. Kilpatrick
10. K McGeary
11. Sludden
12. Meyler
13. McCurry
14. F Burns
15. R O'Neill

I'd give Burns another try at full forward. Was very disappointed with Coney so far, wouldn't expect him to get a start next week. We have enough players who drop deep, recycle possession and get plenty of touches. Think you get much more penetration with McGeary Sludden and Meyler. Would like to see plenty of Kilpatrick during the league, has been excellent so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 19, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
Was the referee as bad as Tyrones official twitter seemed to insinuate?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 19, 2020, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 19, 2020, 10:26:32 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 19, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
Was the referee as bad as Tyrones official twitter seemed to insinuate?
Only saw the last 15-20 minutes. Some mind boggling decisions. He blew Ronan O'Neill for overcarrying as he got through on goal. How he came by that decision is anyone's guess.

O'Neill may have overcarried and it was harsh in terms of what is generally let go in terms of steps but the thing was he was fouled on about 3 separate occasions as he made his way toward goal.

I didn't think the referee performance was too bad though but maybe that's more an indication of how little Monaghan offered and how comfortable Tyrone were all night.

The following players saw no action in the McKenna Cup:

Hampsey
Harte
M Donnelly
R Donnelly
McClure
Loughran
Bradley

3 of those are guaranteed starters and Bradley and R Donnelly would be strongly pushing for spots too.

Rory Brennan was not in the 26 for the last two games and Coney and McHugh were pulled from the squad last night, also no sign of Brian Kennedy and Mulgrew came off early with what looked like some sort of injury, we also know McKernan will miss the most part of the league.

So all in all we are probably down about 10 players or more for the opener against Meath, it's a good opportunity for some of the new guys and some of the players on the fringes in the past few seasons to make their claim. From what I've seen from the new call ups this year, they seem to be capable of holding their own, Quinn and Grimes are just out of u20 so I suspect they are unlikely to feature a whole pile this year and are more ones for the future.

Usually Harte would trim the squad after the McKenna Cup but with so many absentees this year I'd imagine he'll probably wait until the cessation of the league to look at it again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 19, 2020, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 19, 2020, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 19, 2020, 10:26:32 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 19, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
Was the referee as bad as Tyrones official twitter seemed to insinuate?
Only saw the last 15-20 minutes. Some mind boggling decisions. He blew Ronan O'Neill for overcarrying as he got through on goal. How he came by that decision is anyone's guess.

O'Neill may have overcarried and it was harsh in terms of what is generally let go in terms of steps but the thing was he was fouled on about 3 separate occasions as he made his way toward goal.

I didn't think the referee performance was too bad though but maybe that's more an indication of how little Monaghan offered and how comfortable Tyrone were all night.

The following players saw no action in the McKenna Cup:

Hampsey
Harte
M Donnelly
R Donnelly
McClure
Loughran
Bradley

3 of those are guaranteed starters and Bradley and R Donnelly would be strongly pushing for spots too.

Rory Brennan was not in the 26 for the last two games and Coney and McHugh were pulled from the squad last night, also no sign of Brian Kennedy and Mulgrew came off early with what looked like some sort of injury, we also know McKernan will miss the most part of the league.

So all in all we are probably down about 10 players or more for the opener against Meath, it's a good opportunity for some of the new guys and some of the players on the fringes in the past few seasons to make their claim. From what I've seen from the new call ups this year, they seem to be capable of holding their own, Quinn and Grimes are just out of u20 so I suspect they are unlikely to feature a whole pile this year and are more ones for the future.

Usually Harte would trim the squad after the McKenna Cup but with so many absentees this year I'd imagine he'll probably wait until the cessation of the league to look at it again.
Are Mattie Donnelly, Hampsey and Loughran long term injuries? Will they be available for any of the league games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 19, 2020, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on January 19, 2020, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 19, 2020, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 19, 2020, 10:26:32 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 19, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
Was the referee as bad as Tyrones official twitter seemed to insinuate?
Only saw the last 15-20 minutes. Some mind boggling decisions. He blew Ronan O'Neill for overcarrying as he got through on goal. How he came by that decision is anyone's guess.

O'Neill may have overcarried and it was harsh in terms of what is generally let go in terms of steps but the thing was he was fouled on about 3 separate occasions as he made his way toward goal.

I didn't think the referee performance was too bad though but maybe that's more an indication of how little Monaghan offered and how comfortable Tyrone were all night.

The following players saw no action in the McKenna Cup:

Hampsey
Harte
M Donnelly
R Donnelly
McClure
Loughran
Bradley

3 of those are guaranteed starters and Bradley and R Donnelly would be strongly pushing for spots too.

Rory Brennan was not in the 26 for the last two games and Coney and McHugh were pulled from the squad last night, also no sign of Brian Kennedy and Mulgrew came off early with what looked like some sort of injury, we also know McKernan will miss the most part of the league.

So all in all we are probably down about 10 players or more for the opener against Meath, it's a good opportunity for some of the new guys and some of the players on the fringes in the past few seasons to make their claim. From what I've seen from the new call ups this year, they seem to be capable of holding their own, Quinn and Grimes are just out of u20 so I suspect they are unlikely to feature a whole pile this year and are more ones for the future.

Usually Harte would trim the squad after the McKenna Cup but with so many absentees this year I'd imagine he'll probably wait until the cessation of the league to look at it again.
Are Mattie Donnelly, Hampsey and Loughran long term injuries? Will they be available for any of the league games?

Mattie will be doing well to be back for the Championship. Loughran also underwent surgery do not sure on his timeline. Haven't heard anything on Hampsey officially but I think it's been said that he had surgery on an pelvic issue that was causing him some problems lad year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 19, 2020, 03:33:36 PM
Be different game in Castleblaney.Banty playing a side that will be much changed in two weeks last night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 19, 2020, 04:46:04 PM
Quote from: skeog on January 19, 2020, 03:33:36 PM
Be different game in Castleblaney.Banty playing a side that will be much changed in two weeks last night.

It was a strong enough side out last night for Monaghan but they wouldn't have the quality of cover that Tyrone have.

Two wins in our first two games should have us well on the way to safety.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on January 19, 2020, 05:18:44 PM
Monaghan will have mc Manus playing which is always a massive plus for them. Add the 2 Hughes brothers, Fintan Kelly, jack mc Carron, mc Anespie , o Connell from start and it should improve them greatly. Tyrone I don't think will be adding as much quality to what was there last night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 19, 2020, 06:10:50 PM
St Mary's beat after Extra time today by UCD. That leaves Rafferty and Kilpatrick free and available for Saturday night. Hopefully see the two of them get plenty of game time during the league, could have a big impact this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on January 20, 2020, 03:19:15 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on January 20, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
Where has the Harte agenda gone now. Funny how things change when silverware is won.
Silverware? He won a pre season tournament friend.. not Sam.. Also beat a team who had atleast 6 of their best players on the bench
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 20, 2020, 03:55:18 PM
Anyway, now the McKenna Cup is done with moving to more important matters.

Not to be too dramatic, but Sunday v Meath surely must win considering the make up of D1 this year? Anything less and it's panic stations early on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on January 20, 2020, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on January 20, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
Where has the Harte agenda gone now. Funny how things change when silverware is won.

Wise up! I have given up giving out about him because nothing will change. Thsi year will be a disaster I have no doubt, there is no way that it can be said we are moving in a forward direction!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 20, 2020, 04:52:23 PM
Jesus redhandefender, you were giving me stick on here a few years ago for giving out about harte! Why the big turnaround?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 20, 2020, 04:57:21 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on January 20, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
Where has the Harte agenda gone now. Funny how things change when silverware is won.
IL assume this is a windup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 25, 2020, 12:19:52 PM
Starting 15 V Meath:
1. Niall Morgan
2. HP McGeary
3. Ronan McNammee (C)
4. Liam Rafferty
5. Michael Cassidy
6. Rory Brennan
7. Tiernan McCann
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Conn Kilpatrick
10. Conor Meyler
11. Niall Sludden
12. Darren McCurry
13. Kieran McGeary
14. Frank Burns
15. Ronan O'Neill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Art Mc Crory’s Sofa on January 25, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
Our strongest team bar the last two positions. Burns is not a Ff and RON isn't cut out for this level. I'd have Conan in FF before Burns who seems slightly more suited to the role.( but he's not the answer either).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 25, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
A lot of people seem to be impressed by Burns at FF so far but I'm not sold myself.

Think Ronan O'Neill deserves his start, not convinced he will be the answer but he's been in good scoring form pre season.

I thought Grugan was very poor last day out, would like to have seen Coney get a start at 11 and thought Michael O'Neill was very good the last day out and I'd preferred to have seen him there over McCann.

Hope to see Kerr off the bench, he has some genuine pace we are lacking inside.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Art Mc Crory’s Sofa on January 25, 2020, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 25, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
A lot of people seem to be impressed by Burns at FF so far but I'm not sold myself.

Think Ronan O'Neill deserves his start, not convinced he will be the answer but he's been in good scoring form pre season.

I thought Grugan was very poor last day out, would like to have seen Coney get a start at 11 and thought Michael O'Neill was very good the last day out and I'd preferred to have seen him there over McCann.

Hope to see Kerr off the bench, he has some genuine pace we are lacking inside.

Id rather see Kerr start instead of RON. For all the abuse Harte gets its his loyalty to the likes of RON (who has never proven it at the top level) over the likes of Kerr (who could be a future star) that is hardest to take.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 25, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Art Mc Crory's Sofa on January 25, 2020, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 25, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
A lot of people seem to be impressed by Burns at FF so far but I'm not sold myself.

Think Ronan O'Neill deserves his start, not convinced he will be the answer but he's been in good scoring form pre season.

I thought Grugan was very poor last day out, would like to have seen Coney get a start at 11 and thought Michael O'Neill was very good the last day out and I'd preferred to have seen him there over McCann.

Hope to see Kerr off the bench, he has some genuine pace we are lacking inside.


Id rather see Kerr start instead of RON. For all the abuse Harte gets its his loyalty to the likes of RON (who has never proven it at the top level) over the likes of Kerr (who could be a future star) that is hardest to take.

I'd be one who would have thought that would have been it for Ronan O'Neill after he left the panel last year. He was an outstanding minor, probably the best in the country at his age group, a bad cruciate injury, the physicality of senior football and the changing nature of the game has meant he's never kicked out at senior level. Harte certainly can't be blamed for not trusting him or giving him a chance and I'd agree I'd probably have liked to see Kerr in there too.

However, Kerr is what, 22/23? It's his first year on the panel and he's also been involved in Sigerson which would have limited his involvement early season. O'Neill has been in good scoring form so far, I don't think he's the answer or will be but I think he has his starting place on merit tomorrow, between unavailable players and everything - we are not blessed with options in there.

I'd like to see McHugh and Kerr get their chances as I think they have more of what might be needed to be the solution than O'Neill has but for this game, O'Neill probably deserves his spot.

Any word on what the situation with Mark Bradley is? Is he carrying an injury as he hasn't been seen in a match day squad yet?

Is Canavan Jr likely to be involved this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 26, 2020, 01:15:17 PM
Not too many attacking options on the bench. Would hope that Kerr and McHugh get a chance and are just carrying niggles for today.

Good to see Bradley back though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 26, 2020, 04:28:46 PM
What's the deal with McShane? He was apparently at Healy Park today.

A farewell or has he had a change or heart?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on January 26, 2020, 05:44:45 PM
He was there, I saw him. Looked to be there as a regular punter.

Decent enough performance today. McCurry has started the year really well. His work rate was excellent today I thought, was always on the go. I thought RON had a deadly game, too. The vision and pass for our goal was deadly. Was very unlucky not to set up a goal chance a few minutes beforehand and his own lob of the keeper was inches away from going. In fact, it hit post bounced out and hit keepers head before just trickling wide. Mark Bradley was very lively when he came on, used ball really well and scored and absolute peach.

Last word for big Colly Cavanagh, the man is some warrior. Some great fetches around the middle as well as saving points over the crossbar at the back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on January 27, 2020, 09:31:58 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 26, 2020, 05:44:45 PM
He was there, I saw him. Looked to be there as a regular punter.

Decent enough performance today. McCurry has started the year really well. His work rate was excellent today I thought, was always on the go. I thought RON had a deadly game, too. The vision and pass for our goal was deadly. Was very unlucky not to set up a goal chance a few minutes beforehand and his own lob of the keeper was inches away from going. In fact, it hit post bounced out and hit keepers head before just trickling wide. Mark Bradley was very lively when he came on, used ball really well and scored and absolute peach.

Last word for big Colly Cavanagh, the man is some warrior. Some great fetches around the middle as well as saving points over the crossbar at the back.

It was the same old RON yesterday. Deadly when he gets the ball in his hands in a bit of space and he picked out a couple of lovely passes. But he still has serious problems winning his own ball and lacks pace. There was a time in the first half when McCurry took a quick free and sent O'Neill through on goal, but he was too slow and his marker caught up and easily stripped him. I'd also be uncomfortable with him hitting our right footed frees going forward as I don't think he is good enough at them. Although I can't really think of any other options for these in the absence of McShane, unless you want to drag Morgan up for every one.

Frank Burns was very poor yesterday at full forward although he was admittedly up against a very good full back. Coney looked sharper when he came in and more comfortable in the role. I'm a bit surprised he wasn't given a game at full forward during the McKenna Cup
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 27, 2020, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on January 27, 2020, 09:31:58 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 26, 2020, 05:44:45 PM
He was there, I saw him. Looked to be there as a regular punter.

Decent enough performance today. McCurry has started the year really well. His work rate was excellent today I thought, was always on the go. I thought RON had a deadly game, too. The vision and pass for our goal was deadly. Was very unlucky not to set up a goal chance a few minutes beforehand and his own lob of the keeper was inches away from going. In fact, it hit post bounced out and hit keepers head before just trickling wide. Mark Bradley was very lively when he came on, used ball really well and scored and absolute peach.

Last word for big Colly Cavanagh, the man is some warrior. Some great fetches around the middle as well as saving points over the crossbar at the back.

It was the same old RON yesterday. Deadly when he gets the ball in his hands in a bit of space and he picked out a couple of lovely passes. But he still has serious problems winning his own ball and lacks pace. There was a time in the first half when McCurry took a quick free and sent O'Neill through on goal, but he was too slow and his marker caught up and easily stripped him. I'd also be uncomfortable with him hitting our right footed frees going forward as I don't think he is good enough at them. Although I can't really think of any other options for these in the absence of McShane, unless you want to drag Morgan up for every one.

Frank Burns was very poor yesterday at full forward although he was admittedly up against a very good full back. Coney looked sharper when he came in and more comfortable in the role. I'm a bit surprised he wasn't given a game at full forward during the McKenna Cup

The woman beside me in the crowd reckoned he was crap and if he's not made it now, he never will.....harsh enough I thought.

Hard to judge coming into the game like that, Kyle can get on a ball and isn't afraid to take a shot which looked to be his biggest strength and weakness in his cameo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 27, 2020, 01:49:05 PM
Meath seriously weak team imo.Next week in Blaney be feisty game.Hope To see PH back be needed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on January 27, 2020, 07:33:59 PM
Tyrone worked a lot harder second half - looked very open early on. Done well throughout the game on the Meath kickout, although they ended up with a forward in goals so that may say more about how poor they were. Colm Cavanagh as mentioned was immense winning primary ball in the second half particularly. McCurry again was superb. Liam Rafferty I thought had a very good game, 2 points, a couple of times he looked to be nearly caught in possession but had the speed and footwork to break away.
Tyrone really should have put up 1-17 or 1-18 with the amount of handy enough chances missed 2nd half.
The remarks above about Rony O'Neill were spot on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 28, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
There are 2 ways to look at this season

1. We don't have a marquee forward and will struggle to beat the big teams come business end of Championship - especially since we had probably the best (performing) full forward in Ireland last year and still couldn't put away Kerry from a commanding ht position.

2. We got to a final without a marquee forward in 2018 and maybe we have someone in the ranks ready to have a breakout year (no-one would have foreseen the 2019 McShane had to be fair).

Head says (1), Heart says (2).......it's going to be hard but who knows...there is always hope....

Just a shame we can't attack 2020 with a full hand.... and the option of a FF line composed of Bradley, McShane and Harte / Mattie, which could cause real damage.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 28, 2020, 12:47:32 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 28, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
There are 2 ways to look at this season

1. We don't have a marquee forward and will struggle to beat the big teams come business end of Championship - especially since we had probably the best (performing) full forward in Ireland last year and still couldn't put away Kerry from a commanding ht position.

2. We got to a final without a marquee forward in 2018 and maybe we have someone in the ranks ready to have a breakout year (no-one would have foreseen the 2019 McShane had to be fair).

Head says (1), Heart says (2).......it's going to be hard but who knows...there is always hope....

Just a shame we can't attack 2020 with a full hand.... and the option of a FF line composed of Bradley, McShane and Harte / Mattie, which could cause real damage.

End result is the same, Super 8s....debate if we can get out of it or not, in the end lose to first team played after that if we do progress.

We just aren't at the level. McShane possibly could have tipped balance considering new rules but from what I hear, he's signed already anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on February 01, 2020, 04:21:51 PM
Same starting 15 as last week.

No sign of Richie Donnelly yet this year - he injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 01, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
Yes injured.Cathal buying short sleeved tops today looks like he is going.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 01, 2020, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 01, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
Yes injured.Cathal buying short sleeved tops today looks like he is going.
yeah it's going to be warm in blaney tomorrow.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on February 02, 2020, 06:14:11 AM
Anyone else feel the entire tyrone thing has gone very stale and has been for the last few years?  I'm not criticising anyone but the success in the noughties and lack of now has contributed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 07:34:30 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on February 02, 2020, 06:14:11 AM
Anyone else feel the entire tyrone thing has gone very stale and has been for the last few years?  I'm not criticising anyone but the success in the noughties and lack of now has contributed.

It's gaelic football in general. The dominance of Dublin has ended the romance of intercounty football in the vast majority of counties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on February 02, 2020, 09:25:20 AM
Jesus wept! Two years ago youse gave a good account of yourselves against Dublin in an All Ireland final. Now you're practically writing a resignation letter that youse will never be able to compete with them again! Get yourself off your keypad and away to support your team today in division one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 02, 2020, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on February 02, 2020, 06:14:11 AM
Anyone else feel the entire tyrone thing has gone very stale and has been for the last few years?  I'm not criticising anyone but the success in the noughties and lack of now has contributed.
I think it's well documented on here why things are so stale.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 02, 2020, 09:04:16 PM
Terrible result today in Castleblaney. Relegation a very real possibility now with the remaing games:
Home V Kerry
Away V Galway
Home V Dublin
Away V Donegal
Away V Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 02, 2020, 09:24:36 PM
That was pretty brutal today. Monaghan much, much better. Can't think of any positive you could take from that game. Relegation a huge threat now considering the fixtures ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 02, 2020, 09:29:44 PM
4 of those teams are better than Tyrone.

Galway unknown.

Needed to win today. Didn't happen. Toothless in the forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2020, 09:29:44 PM
4 of those teams are better than Tyrone.

Galway unknown.

Needed to win today. Didn't happen. Toothless in the forward line.

As soon as I saw the forward line picked today, I could tell you the result.

McCurry, Bradley, O'Neill all nice footballers but at this level and in the modern game, you can't play the three of them together - particularly this time of year in a provincial ground against a dogged and hardened Monaghan side.

I know we're down a few important players at present but if McShane isn't around this year then we are goosed, he is our attacking game plan and if he's available then he can bring out so much more from the rest around him.

It's a bit stale there, Ronan O'Neill sadly just won't make it - he played well in the McKenna Cup but today was the acid test and he failed to deliver. Surely McHugh and Kerr are worth a look at now. McHugh is a big lad, he's a natural forward and he knows where the posts are - he has to be worth a look inside in light of current problems?

It's extremely difficult to see where the points are going to come from to stay up now.

We need a ball or two inside and we need finishers playing off them, we seem reluctant to do this.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Injury prone.

Looked the part at underage but hasn't had a proper run at senior yet, we have a lot of players like Mulgrew.

What we need is some quality ball winning inside forwards, we don't have them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 02, 2020, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Injury prone.

Looked the part at underage but hasn't had a proper run at senior yet, we have a lot of players like Mulgrew.

What we need is some quality ball winning inside forwards, we don't have them.

You are finding an excuse already that Mc Shane is unavailable. We got to an All Ireland final in 2018 without Mc Shane at full forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 02, 2020, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Injury prone.

Looked the part at underage but hasn't had a proper run at senior yet, we have a lot of players like Mulgrew.

What we need is some quality ball winning inside forwards, we don't have them.

You are finding an excuse already that Mc Shane is unavailable. We got to an All Ireland final in 2018 without Mc Shane at full forward

Top scorer in the Championship last year, all star last year.

We wouldn't have got near an All Ireland semi final last year without McShane.

We got to an All Ireland final in 2018 with guys like Sludden, Hampsey, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte in great form. A lot of those guys were badly out of form last year and it was McShane who stepped up to the fill the void.

Our whole attacking gameplan was solely based around McShane last year, only a guy with zero knowledge about gaelic football would deny that the magnitude of his loss to Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 02, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 02, 2020, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Injury prone.

Looked the part at underage but hasn't had a proper run at senior yet, we have a lot of players like Mulgrew.

What we need is some quality ball winning inside forwards, we don't have them.

You are finding an excuse already that Mc Shane is unavailable. We got to an All Ireland final in 2018 without Mc Shane at full forward

Top scorer in the Championship last year, all star last year.

We wouldn't have got near an All Ireland semi final last year without McShane.

We got to an All Ireland final in 2018 with guys like Sludden, Hampsey, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte in great form. A lot of those guys were badly out of form last year and it was McShane who stepped up to the fill the void.

Our whole attacking gameplan was solely based around McShane last year, only a guy with zero knowledge about gaelic football would deny that the magnitude of his loss to Tyrone
Very aggressive post.
Doesn't take away from the fact that Tyrone have players who if properly motivated are good enough to get to an All Ireland semi final with or without any 1 footballer.
Provided they haven't gone stale obviously
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 11:23:29 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 02, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: In hiding on February 02, 2020, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 02, 2020, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Injury prone.

Looked the part at underage but hasn't had a proper run at senior yet, we have a lot of players like Mulgrew.

What we need is some quality ball winning inside forwards, we don't have them.

You are finding an excuse already that Mc Shane is unavailable. We got to an All Ireland final in 2018 without Mc Shane at full forward

Top scorer in the Championship last year, all star last year.

We wouldn't have got near an All Ireland semi final last year without McShane.

We got to an All Ireland final in 2018 with guys like Sludden, Hampsey, Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte in great form. A lot of those guys were badly out of form last year and it was McShane who stepped up to the fill the void.

Our whole attacking gameplan was solely based around McShane last year, only a guy with zero knowledge about gaelic football would deny that the magnitude of his loss to Tyrone
Very aggressive post.
Doesn't take away from the fact that Tyrone have players who if properly motivated are good enough to get to an All Ireland semi final with or without any 1 footballer.
Provided they haven't gone stale obviously

Nothing aggressive about it, it's to the point.

McShane was Tyrone's best footballer last year by some distance. They developed a game around him and it was successful in improving Tyrone's attack.

Kerry, Galway, Donegal to name a few are much better now than they would have been two years ago. With McShane gone and the loss of form, injury troubles and ageing of some of Tyrone's key players (Sludden, Harte, McCann, Hampsey, Donnelly and Cavanagh) I think it is safe to say Tyrone are a fair bit weaker.

There's a long way to go yet but I've a very ominous feeling for the year ahead and I think it will be hard to see Harte staying on if it pans out as I'd expect it to now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 02, 2020, 11:33:01 PM
I'd say Peter Donnelly and John devine are feeling quite pleased with themselves tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 03, 2020, 09:03:58 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 02, 2020, 11:33:01 PM
I'd say Peter Donnelly and John devine are feeling quite pleased with themselves tonight.

I doubt it, as they are idiots like you who would take join in their county getting beat.

We are in serious bother, have really went back as far as I can see. Short year ahead
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:31:12 AM
Is there any word of what Richard Donnelly and Hampsey's situation is? We could do with both of them back asap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 09:56:45 AM
What's with all the negativity redhandefender? Only a few year's ago you had nothing but good to say about tyrone setup. Took you a while to cop on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 03, 2020, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 09:56:45 AM
What's with all the negativity redhandefender? Only a feed years ago you had nothing but good to say about tyrone setup. Took you a while to cop on.

A few years ago we got to an all ireland final, players from under 21 winning team were still early in development. I was against your constant yapping about harte. Some things have happened since then I have learnt about that unlike you i wouldn be plastering up here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 03, 2020, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 09:56:45 AM
What's with all the negativity redhandefender? Only a feed years ago you had nothing but good to say about tyrone setup. Took you a while to cop on.

A few years ago we got to an all ireland final, players from under 21 winning team were still early in development. I was against your constant yapping about harte. Some things have happened since then I have learnt about that unlike you i wouldn be plastering up here.
no point keeping quiet about what you've heard. People need to know what's going on or else we will still be talking about it in 3 years time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 03, 2020, 11:12:32 AM
Is Mickey Harte gone at the end of this season??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 03, 2020, 11:12:32 AM
Is Mickey Harte gone at the end of this season??

Not a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 03, 2020, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 03, 2020, 11:12:32 AM
Is Mickey Harte gone at the end of this season??

Not a chance.

I thought his contract was up at the end of this season....No?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
I've no idea but he'll be there next year.

Partly as there is no outstanding candidate to actually take the job / Partly as he's there, as is my understanding until the day he wants to leave.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 11:30:21 AM
Hartes current contract expires at the end of this season. He can then walk or look for an extension. The latter being the most likely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
I've no idea but he'll be there next year.

Partly as there is no outstanding candidate to actually take the job / Partly as he's there, as is my understanding until the day he wants to leave.
malachy o Rourke not outstanding?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 03, 2020, 11:33:38 AM
Tyrone still on two points, with four more needed to survive.
Next week v Kerry will be the one to determine whether relegation is likely. It's a tricky set of fixtures this season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 03, 2020, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
I've no idea but he'll be there next year.

Partly as there is no outstanding candidate to actually take the job / Partly as he's there, as is my understanding until the day he wants to leave.

Injuries not helping at the minute that is for sure....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
I've no idea but he'll be there next year.

Partly as there is no outstanding candidate to actually take the job / Partly as he's there, as is my understanding until the day he wants to leave.
malachy o Rourke not outstanding?

You tell me. Unquestionable record at club level over a few counties. At county level, yes Monaghan certainly punched above their weight. He's got a few Ulster titles and an All Ireland Semi Final (beaten by Tyrone)? Probaby sounds as if I'm Pro Harte - certainly not but the next manager of Tyrone must be the right one.

O'Rourke the obvious candidate, but will he make this current set of players better than a Super 8 team? I wouldn't be sure - that's why I can see the county board happy to give it to Harte again to let him take the blame for their lack of ambition (and probably spending).

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 11:58:40 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 03, 2020, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
I've no idea but he'll be there next year.

Partly as there is no outstanding candidate to actually take the job / Partly as he's there, as is my understanding until the day he wants to leave.

Injuries not helping at the minute that is for sure....

Yeah there's a fair few mitigating factors. In the past 3 or 4 years we have had 6 players receive allstars.

Peter Harte: Sunday was his first game back after an extended honeymoon and he was taken off during the second half. Will need time to get up to full fitness and form
Mattie Donnelly: Injured, not expected back until first round of the Ulster Championship at the earliest
Colm Cavanagh: Played most of the game on Sunday but is beginning to show his age especially when required to play as an orthodox midfielder (although was very good in the second half against Meath). Was moved into full forward in the second half on Sunday as he was on a yellow card
Padraig Hampsey: Injured, unsure of return date
Cathal McShane: Unavailable, move to the AFL on the cards
Ronan McNamee: Played the first half on Sunday. Came off after a head clash at the start of the second half when Tyrone were  1 point down.

These are our 6 main men, none of whom were firing on full cylinders on Sunday. Any team would struggle in these circumstances but we need other men to stand up, and quickly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
I've no idea but he'll be there next year.

Partly as there is no outstanding candidate to actually take the job / Partly as he's there, as is my understanding until the day he wants to leave.
malachy o Rourke not outstanding?

You tell me. Unquestionable record at club level over a few counties. At county level, yes Monaghan certainly punched above their weight. He's got a few Ulster titles and an All Ireland Semi Final (beaten by Tyrone)? Probaby sounds as if I'm Pro Harte - certainly not but the next manager of Tyrone must be the right one.

O'Rourke the obvious candidate, but will he make this current set of players better than a Super 8 team? I wouldn't be sure - that's why I can see the county board happy to give it to Harte again to let him take the blame for their lack of ambition (and probably spending).
since when has harte took any blame? Roisin Jordan got shifted before harte did. I think the new manager has to be far removed from harte, no baggage, a clean break. In that regard o Rourke is perfect, county could really get behind him. Mc gleenan still an option in that regard I believe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on February 03, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
When O Rourke was at Fermanagh did he not draw an Ulster final with Armagh when they were still in their pomp? Surely that was a very creditable achievement too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 03, 2020, 01:21:41 PM
First of all a managerial set up is needed to challenge MH position. That has not happened since 2003 and I can't see it this year either. When MH got the job in late 2002 he challenged the existing managerial set up and put his name forward. It was a messy affair and 2 legendary GAA Gaels in Tyrone were ousted from the position plus there was a bit of anger at the time regarding the whole situation. Can't see that type of thing happening for a few years yet - no word of any challengers imminent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on February 03, 2020, 01:31:29 PM
Mickey Harte should have the Tyrone job for as long as he see's fit.  The man has taken us to our 3 all Ireland titles FFS.  He's a Tyrone hero and legend.  He doesn't have near the calibre of player he had back when winning All Ireland's but he's still doing a damn good job working with what he has got.  He managed to get this group of players to an All Ireland final which was no mean feat.  In that final, Tyrone where beaten by the greatest football team there has even been.

There is NOBODY out there who could do a better job with the current Tyrone panel.  NOBODY.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 03, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
When O Rourke was at Fermanagh did he not draw an Ulster final with Armagh when they were still in their pomp? Surely that was a very creditable achievement too.

I agree - But if we are saying O'Rourke is to take over from Harte, are we just asking for that for change sake? I think everyone agrees time has probably caught up with Harte and to an extent Tyrone. I can't help but think of Tyrone a bit like Arsenal after Wenger though....is it going to get any better no matter who is in charge? I can't really say a new manager would push on the current crop to any better than they are now and that's just being totally honest. We don't have one player of real, real top class. I am counting McShane out as he's gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 03, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 12:51:22 PM
Mc gleenan still an option in that regard I believe.

Come on STG just admit you were totally wrong in this one. MOR is a viable candidate. They couldn't wait to get rid of McGleenon in Cavan!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 03, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 03, 2020, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 03, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
When O Rourke was at Fermanagh did he not draw an Ulster final with Armagh when they were still in their pomp? Surely that was a very creditable achievement too.

I agree - But if we are saying O'Rourke is to take over from Harte, are we just asking for that for change sake? I think everyone agrees time has probably caught up with Harte and to an extent Tyrone. I can't help but think of Tyrone a bit like Arsenal after Wenger though....is it going to get any better no matter who is in charge? I can't really say a new manager would push on the current crop to any better than they are now and that's just being totally honest. We don't have one player of real, real top class. I am counting McShane out as he's gone.

A good post. The first question should be what do we want/expect from the new Manager?
A new playing style?
A better image in the press?
A new panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 03, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 12:51:22 PM
Mc gleenan still an option in that regard I believe.

Come on STG just admit you were totally wrong in this one. MOR is a viable candidate. They couldn't wait to get rid of McGleenon in Cavan!
yeah and Cavan have went backwards since he left. Mc gleenans Cavan ran tyrone to 3 points in qualifiers 2 years ago. Last year we beat Mickey Graham's Cavan by a cricket score. I'm not saying Mc gleenan is the answer, but worth considering, even as part of a management team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 02:04:52 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 03, 2020, 01:31:29 PM
Mickey Harte should have the Tyrone job for as long as he see's fit.  The man has taken us to our 3 all Ireland titles FFS.  He's a Tyrone hero and legend.  He doesn't have near the calibre of player he had back when winning All Ireland's but he's still doing a damn good job working with what he has got.  He managed to get this group of players to an All Ireland final which was no mean feat.  In that final, Tyrone where beaten by the greatest football team there has even been.

There is NOBODY out there who could do a better job with the current Tyrone panel.  NOBODY.
calm down Mickey. Tyrone have been beat 6 times in championship in last 2 years! 6 times!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 02:04:52 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 03, 2020, 01:31:29 PM
Mickey Harte should have the Tyrone job for as long as he see's fit.  The man has taken us to our 3 all Ireland titles FFS.  He's a Tyrone hero and legend.  He doesn't have near the calibre of player he had back when winning All Ireland's but he's still doing a damn good job working with what he has got.  He managed to get this group of players to an All Ireland final which was no mean feat.  In that final, Tyrone where beaten by the greatest football team there has even been.

There is NOBODY out there who could do a better job with the current Tyrone panel.  NOBODY.
calm down Mickey. Tyrone have been beat 6 times in championship in last 2 years! 6 times!

And made an All Ireland final in 2018 and a semi final in 2019.

I think it might be time for a change but I'm under no illusion that a new manager would bring us any further, we simply don't have the players right now.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?

Lee Brennan
Connor Mc Aliskey
Johnny Munroe
Daire Gallagher
Ronan Nugent
Conor O Donnell

Some may have been there before and left of their own accord. But one maybe has to ask the question why.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 03, 2020, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 03, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 12:51:22 PM
Mc gleenan still an option in that regard I believe.

Come on STG just admit you were totally wrong in this one. MOR is a viable candidate. They couldn't wait to get rid of McGleenon in Cavan!
yeah and Cavan have went backwards since he left. Mc gleenans Cavan ran tyrone to 3 points in qualifiers 2 years ago. Last year we beat Mickey Graham's Cavan by a cricket score. I'm not saying Mc gleenan is the answer, but worth considering, even as part of a management team.

Cavan went backwards after getting to the Ulster Final the year after he left? You're 100% right he isn't the answer. It's like replacing Fergie with Moyes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?

Lee Brennan
Connor Mc Aliskey
Johnny Munroe
Daire Gallagher
Ronan Nugent
Conor O Donnell

Some may have been there before and left of their own accord. But one maybe has to ask the question why.

Brennan didn't cut it and dropped himself off the panel.
McAliskey and Munroe opted out, was Munroe not in Australia recently too?
O'Donnell must be well in his 30s and is no better than either of those, ditto Nugent and Gallagher.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?

Lee Brennan
Connor Mc Aliskey
Johnny Munroe
Daire Gallagher
Ronan Nugent
Conor O Donnell

Some may have been there before and left of their own accord. But one maybe has to ask the question why.

Brennan didn't cut it and dropped himself off the panel.
McAliskey and Munroe opted out, was Munroe not in Australia recently too?
O'Donnell must be well in his 30s and is no better than either of those, ditto Nugent and Gallagher.

All a matter of opinions then. Do you honestly believe either of these 2 players have cut it in a Tyrone Jersey?

In my eyes all are better than the two players on the panel.

Will take alot to convince me otherwise.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 03, 2020, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 03, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 03, 2020, 12:51:22 PM
Mc gleenan still an option in that regard I believe.

Come on STG just admit you were totally wrong in this one. MOR is a viable candidate. They couldn't wait to get rid of McGleenon in Cavan!
yeah and Cavan have went backwards since he left. Mc gleenans Cavan ran tyrone to 3 points in qualifiers 2 years ago. Last year we beat Mickey Graham's Cavan by a cricket score. I'm not saying Mc gleenan is the answer, but worth considering, even as part of a management team.

Cavan went backwards after getting to the Ulster Final the year after he left? You're 100% right he isn't the answer. It's like replacing Fergie with Moyes.
sure Fermanagh and down got to Ulster finals recently, both shite and all got hammered anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: outsideoftheboot on February 03, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?

Lee Brennan
Connor Mc Aliskey
Johnny Munroe
Daire Gallagher
Ronan Nugent
Conor O Donnell

Some may have been there before and left of their own accord. But one maybe has to ask the question why.

Brennan didn't cut it and dropped himself off the panel.
McAliskey and Munroe opted out, was Munroe not in Australia recently too?
O'Donnell must be well in his 30s and is no better than either of those, ditto Nugent and Gallagher.

Have to agree. Whilst mcaliskey, brennan and munroe are good enough they all opted out of the panel themselves. With regards to odonnell, nugent and gallagher none are good enough. Personally think the 2 players in question arent even in the bottom 5/10 of the panel. They may not be starters but they are good team players who are holding their own when we have a lot of our key men injured. Mulgrew was very good underage and had made a great start to his senior career before injuries having scored 2 goals in croke park against armagh a few years back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on February 03, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?

Lee Brennan
Connor Mc Aliskey
Johnny Munroe
Daire Gallagher
Ronan Nugent
Conor O Donnell

Some may have been there before and left of their own accord. But one maybe has to ask the question why.

Brennan didn't cut it and dropped himself off the panel.
McAliskey and Munroe opted out, was Munroe not in Australia recently too?
O'Donnell must be well in his 30s and is no better than either of those, ditto Nugent and Gallagher.

Have to agree. Whilst mcaliskey, brennan and munroe are good enough they all opted out of the panel themselves. With regards to odonnell, nugent and gallagher none are good enough. Personally think the 2 players in question arent even in the bottom 5/10 of the panel. They may not be starters but they are good team players who are holding their own when we have a lot of our key men injured. Mulgrew was very good underage and had made a great start to his senior career before injuries having scored 2 goals in croke park against armagh a few years back.

So because someone was a good underage player and scored 2 goals in a landslide victory almost 3 years ago they are worthy of a place on our county senior panel??

Id like someone to point out to me how they are holding their own as county senior players?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on February 03, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?

Lee Brennan
Connor Mc Aliskey
Johnny Munroe
Daire Gallagher
Ronan Nugent
Conor O Donnell

Some may have been there before and left of their own accord. But one maybe has to ask the question why.

Brennan didn't cut it and dropped himself off the panel.
McAliskey and Munroe opted out, was Munroe not in Australia recently too?
O'Donnell must be well in his 30s and is no better than either of those, ditto Nugent and Gallagher.

Have to agree. Whilst mcaliskey, brennan and munroe are good enough they all opted out of the panel themselves. With regards to odonnell, nugent and gallagher none are good enough. Personally think the 2 players in question arent even in the bottom 5/10 of the panel. They may not be starters but they are good team players who are holding their own when we have a lot of our key men injured. Mulgrew was very good underage and had made a great start to his senior career before injuries having scored 2 goals in croke park against armagh a few years back.

So because someone was a good underage player and scored 2 goals in a landslide victory almost 3 years ago they are worthy of a place on our county senior panel??

Id like someone to point out to me how they are holding their own as county senior players?

And what basis have you for saying the guys you suggested would do any better? Mulgrew is a talented footballer who has spent the best part of the past two years on the treatment table. McDonnell has done ok in the opportunities presented - both are 23 I think, plenty of time for them to develop and bed themselves in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on February 03, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?

Lee Brennan
Connor Mc Aliskey
Johnny Munroe
Daire Gallagher
Ronan Nugent
Conor O Donnell

Some may have been there before and left of their own accord. But one maybe has to ask the question why.

Brennan didn't cut it and dropped himself off the panel.
McAliskey and Munroe opted out, was Munroe not in Australia recently too?
O'Donnell must be well in his 30s and is no better than either of those, ditto Nugent and Gallagher.

Have to agree. Whilst mcaliskey, brennan and munroe are good enough they all opted out of the panel themselves. With regards to odonnell, nugent and gallagher none are good enough. Personally think the 2 players in question arent even in the bottom 5/10 of the panel. They may not be starters but they are good team players who are holding their own when we have a lot of our key men injured. Mulgrew was very good underage and had made a great start to his senior career before injuries having scored 2 goals in croke park against armagh a few years back.

So because someone was a good underage player and scored 2 goals in a landslide victory almost 3 years ago they are worthy of a place on our county senior panel??

Id like someone to point out to me how they are holding their own as county senior players?

And what basis have you for saying the guys you suggested would do any better? Mulgrew is a talented footballer who has spent the best part of the past two years on the treatment table. McDonnell has done ok in the opportunities presented - both are 23 I think, plenty of time for them to develop and bed themselves in.

Having watched them play for both Club & County I think if they had been afforded the opportunities both Mc Donnell and Mulgrew have they would be better additions to our squad at present.

I wouldnt say Lee Brennan didnt cut it! He was very good in Ballybofey few years back when introduced as a sub v Donegal - when it really mattered.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 04:48:03 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: outsideoftheboot on February 03, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 03, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on February 03, 2020, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 02, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
What do you all think of Mulgrew??

Not at the required standard unfortunately.

Decent Club footballer. But not up to County level.

Ben Mc Donnell the same.

But they always seem to feature for some reason. Strange ;) ;) ;)

Mulgrew falls into the growing category of someone who's been knocking around the Tyrone panel for 3 or 4 years now and doesn't seem to have improved any. Obviously injury hasn't helped in his case but what is he supposed to be? He's been tried out in the full forward line in a few games without ever giving the impression he can win his own ball and beat his man. And he doesn't seem to have the legs to be a wing forward working up and down.

On Ben, this is now his third year on the panel and I actually think he's an example of someone who has improved. He's carved out a niche for himself within the panel as a spoiler around the middle third, and he tends to keep it simple giving the impression he knows his limitations. He's never going to be a superstar but he's a solid squad player.

Where is Brian Kennedy at the minute? I was hoping this would be a big year for him where he would establish himself as our first choice midfielder ahead of Colm Cavanagh. Last year was his break out year at the age of 21 and he got plenty of game time and showed promise. We should be looking for him to kick on this season

I think there are better players in the county than Ben Mc Donnell and David Mulgrew who are not on the panel.

Yet they are consistently featuring in games for our county team.

Like who?

Lee Brennan
Connor Mc Aliskey
Johnny Munroe
Daire Gallagher
Ronan Nugent
Conor O Donnell

Some may have been there before and left of their own accord. But one maybe has to ask the question why.

Brennan didn't cut it and dropped himself off the panel.
McAliskey and Munroe opted out, was Munroe not in Australia recently too?
O'Donnell must be well in his 30s and is no better than either of those, ditto Nugent and Gallagher.

Have to agree. Whilst mcaliskey, brennan and munroe are good enough they all opted out of the panel themselves. With regards to odonnell, nugent and gallagher none are good enough. Personally think the 2 players in question arent even in the bottom 5/10 of the panel. They may not be starters but they are good team players who are holding their own when we have a lot of our key men injured. Mulgrew was very good underage and had made a great start to his senior career before injuries having scored 2 goals in croke park against armagh a few years back.

So because someone was a good underage player and scored 2 goals in a landslide victory almost 3 years ago they are worthy of a place on our county senior panel??

Id like someone to point out to me how they are holding their own as county senior players?

And what basis have you for saying the guys you suggested would do any better? Mulgrew is a talented footballer who has spent the best part of the past two years on the treatment table. McDonnell has done ok in the opportunities presented - both are 23 I think, plenty of time for them to develop and bed themselves in.

Having watched them play for both Club & County I think if they had been afforded the opportunities both Mc Donnell and Mulgrew have they would be better additions to our squad at present.

I wouldnt say Lee Brennan didnt cut it! He was very good in Ballybofey few years back when introduced as a sub v Donegal - when it really mattered.

What opportunities have Mulgrew and McDonnell been afforded? You'd swear they had been mainstays in the starting XV for the past 5 seasons.

This is McDonnell's third season in charge, he barely featured in his first season, was in and out of the team last year where he did quite well on occasion - particularly in the league win against Dublin and has started both league games on the bench this year.

Mulgrew has barely featured in the past two seasons due to injuries.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on February 03, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
The game was awful yesterday - reminded me a lot of the Mayo game last year near the start of the league. Things just didn't go right for us even McNamee getting the head injury etc. the wind really picked up 2nd half I know that's an excuse but it was just one of those days. Gough hadn't the best day either. I think we lost all 4/4 of hop balls which tells it all. The fact Mulgrew was the only forward sub on our bench yesterday is worrying but as mentioned a lot of players to come back in at some stage- just leaves us in danger of relegation.
I wouldn't be overly panicking just yet as we have been here before. Remember Kerry Mayo Roscommon last year. Difference was then we turned it around by developing a new game plan whereas the same dramatic change looks unlikely at the moment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 03, 2020, 08:57:53 PM
Reflecting on matters there and I think it's fair to see we have really failed to add any sort of significant quality to the squad in the past 3/4 years. We got a decent batch out of the 2015 All Ireland u21 squad but since that it's been fairly slim pickings when they joined the squad in 2015 and 2016. There's no real discernible star player since then.

You look at the team played Kerry in last year's semi final, you could only really label Kennedy and McKernan as new additions to the squad, the rest have pretty much been there 4 or 5 years plus.

I think it reflects a bit of a lull in the county in that time. We haven't won an Ulster minor title since 2012, we have only contested two Ulster minor finals since then (2013 and 2019). We won an All Ireland u21 in 2015 and have yielded about 7/8 starting players off of that when you consider Hampsey, Cassidy, McGeary, Brennan, McLaughlin, McShane, Burns, Meyler and Bradley all started that final.

I think we seem to be getting our act back together at underage again, we won the Ulster u20 last year and a red card cost us in the semi final against the eventual champions. The minors made an Ulster final too and both teams had some very good forward talent which we are lacking now.

If you add in Conor McKenna and Cathal McShane to the current Tyrone side, it would make them genuine All Ireland contenders for me but we simply don't have two attacking players of their level in the county at present, so it's a massive shame that we have been robbed of their talents. That's no slight on those boys though as it's a wonderful opportunity that presented itself to them and hard to begrudge them following that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2020, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!
heard that earlier! Anything official yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 12:45:06 PM
Did Harte not basically confirm he was away to journos after game Sunday?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 04, 2020, 02:55:41 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

If only this was true!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 04, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
In fairness Kerry and Dublin have been doing it for years. HE is a special talent
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 04, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
In fairness Kerry and Dublin have been doing it for years. HE is a special talent


Special talent surely.......Hope he stays..... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!

Enlighten us please as to who else ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 04, 2020, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 04, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
In fairness Kerry and Dublin have been doing it for years. HE is a special talent


Special talent surely.......Hope he stays.....

I hope he stays too but he'll get no thanks if he does. A few bad games and the usual heads on here will be calling him all the names under the sun and questioning the amount of chances he's been given.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!

Enlighten us please as to who else ?

Believe Sean Cavanagh was offered and probably accepted, depending on what you want to believe "an incentive" to stay.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on February 04, 2020, 06:07:36 PM
Serious allegations floating around here (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 04, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 04, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
In fairness Kerry and Dublin have been doing it for years. HE is a special talent


Not aware of any Kerry players getting paid??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 04, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
Anyone up in garvaghy tonight see any big red heads?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 04, 2020, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 04, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
Anyone up in garvaghy tonight see any big red heads?
Going by Twitter, he wasnt in Garvaghey and didnt train.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on February 05, 2020, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!

Enlighten us please as to who else ?

Believe Sean Cavanagh was offered and probably accepted, depending on what you want to believe "an incentive" to stay.

That wouldn't surprise me. Sure he'd go to The Sunday Game rather than line out for his club.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 05, 2020, 09:01:59 AM
Quote from: Kingdom37 on February 04, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 04, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
In fairness Kerry and Dublin have been doing it for years. HE is a special talent


Not aware of any Kerry players getting paid??

Aye!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 05, 2020, 09:01:59 AM
Quote from: Kingdom37 on February 04, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 04, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
In fairness Kerry and Dublin have been doing it for years. HE is a special talent


Not aware of any Kerry players getting paid??

Aye!

Donaghy and Darran O'Sullivan packed in their jobs a few years back to focus on Kerry too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 05, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 04, 2020, 06:07:36 PM
Serious allegations floating around here (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif)

Pre season on the board! Great times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 05, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 05, 2020, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!

Enlighten us please as to who else ?

Believe Sean Cavanagh was offered and probably accepted, depending on what you want to believe "an incentive" to stay.

That wouldn't surprise me. Sure he'd go to The Sunday Game rather than line out for his club.

How many of the 03 team are still lining out for their clubs? Most haven't got the time or commitment at this stage of their lives for various reasons including work. If he misses one or two league games a year because of work commitments is it really that big a deal? I'm sure many average club players miss the odd game due to work and never a word about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 05, 2020, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 05, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 05, 2020, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!

Enlighten us please as to who else ?

Believe Sean Cavanagh was offered and probably accepted, depending on what you want to believe "an incentive" to stay.

That wouldn't surprise me. Sure he'd go to The Sunday Game rather than line out for his club.

How many of the 03 team are still lining out for their clubs? Most haven't got the time or commitment at this stage of their lives for various reasons including work. If he misses one or two league games a year because of work commitments is it really that big a deal? I'm sure many average club players miss the odd game due to work and never a word about it.


I am talking 83/84
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on February 05, 2020, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 05, 2020, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 05, 2020, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!

Enlighten us please as to who else ?

Believe Sean Cavanagh was offered and probably accepted, depending on what you want to believe "an incentive" to stay.

That wouldn't surprise me. Sure he'd go to The Sunday Game rather than line out for his club.

How many of the 03 team are still lining out for their clubs? Most haven't got the time or commitment at this stage of their lives for various reasons including work. If he misses one or two league games a year because of work commitments is it really that big a deal? I'm sure many average club players miss the odd game due to work and never a word about it.

John devine (errigal res last year) Enda Mcginley (featured in a few res/3rds games last year?) Conor Gormley, Ciaran Gourley?, Cavanagh, is Stephen o neill still playing?  anyone else?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 05, 2020, 04:53:52 PM
Big wind storm forecast for Saturday into Sunday. Potentially could affect the Kerry game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 05, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 05, 2020, 04:53:52 PM
Big wind storm forecast for Saturday into Sunday. Potentially could affect the Kerry game.
hopefully gets called off, only chance we have of avoiding defeat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on February 05, 2020, 05:19:35 PM
Maybe the poor conditions could play into our hands? Go with it no matter the weather and see how it goes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 05, 2020, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 05, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 05, 2020, 04:53:52 PM
Big wind storm forecast for Saturday into Sunday. Potentially could affect the Kerry game.
hopefully gets called off, only chance we have of avoiding defeat.

Can't help but laugh at this one  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on February 05, 2020, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 05, 2020, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!

Enlighten us please as to who else ?

Believe Sean Cavanagh was offered and probably accepted, depending on what you want to believe "an incentive" to stay.

That wouldn't surprise me. Sure he'd go to The Sunday Game rather than line out for his club.
Not everyone is as committed as you. I suppose you'd turn down €1000 to play a league game for your club
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on February 05, 2020, 10:01:42 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 05, 2020, 08:54:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 04, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
McShane back out training tonight,wonder will Harte throw him straight back in against Kerry!!

so is he staying for good?

Heard today that Harte met with him last week alongside 2 Club Tyrone sponsors, apparently got a big job offered to him in Keystone, a site to build on and some cash!!
I still think he'd be mad to accept it and miss out on an opportunity of a lifetime but we'll know soon enuf


History repeating its self...lol...not the first to be offered all that!!!

Enlighten us please as to who else ?

Believe Sean Cavanagh was offered and probably accepted, depending on what you want to believe "an incentive" to stay.

That wouldn't surprise me. Sure he'd go to The Sunday Game rather than line out for his club.

Fairly sure that isn't correct. Call him what you like but he's been a great servant for club and county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on February 05, 2020, 10:39:07 PM
News to please all Tyrone folk. Allstar full forward Cathal Mc Shane is staying with the Ref Hands @TyroneGAALive

Breaking news from teamtalkmag
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on February 05, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on February 05, 2020, 10:39:07 PM
News to please all Tyrone folk. Allstar full forward Cathal Mc Shane is staying with the Ref Hands @TyroneGAALive

Breaking news from teamtalkmag

Maybe it's just me but it's a major bugbear of mine that Teamtalk break so much important and sometimes official Tyrone GAA news. Surely it's up to Tyrone GAA to report this?  Does this happen in any other county?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Absolutely fantastic news. My whole outlook on the season ahead has now completely changed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 05, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Teamtalkmag now reporting that he's staying, who of course first reported that he was definitely leaving. Modern journalism.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 05, 2020, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on February 05, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on February 05, 2020, 10:39:07 PM
News to please all Tyrone folk. Allstar full forward Cathal Mc Shane is staying with the Ref Hands @TyroneGAALive

Breaking news from teamtalkmag

Maybe it's just me but it's a major bugbear of mine that Teamtalk break so much important and sometimes official Tyrone GAA news. Surely it's up to Tyrone GAA to report this?  Does this happen in any other county?

I understand they're closely linked with Harte and they were a key part of a coup they tried and thankfully failed to pull off a few years ago against Roisin Jordan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 05, 2020, 11:09:22 PM
Great news for a Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on February 05, 2020, 11:35:32 PM
He must be getting some whack to stay!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 05, 2020, 11:42:26 PM
No pressure on Cathal for the rest of season then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on February 06, 2020, 12:01:51 AM
Great news. Wonder what Angelo's excuse will be if things dont go as planned now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 06, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
Wonder well it be bad for morale???

Will players bed envious of his deal?

Well the Transactions be worked similarly to Mickey's?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on February 06, 2020, 12:24:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 06, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
Wonder well it be bad for morale???

Will players be envious of his deal?

Well the Transactions be worked similarly to Mickey's?

That's what I was thinking too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Never beat the deeler on February 06, 2020, 02:24:25 AM
View from this side of the world. Not much said really

https://www.afc.com.au/news/560551/mcshane-opts-to-stay-in-ireland (https://www.afc.com.au/news/560551/mcshane-opts-to-stay-in-ireland)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 06, 2020, 06:49:10 AM
Quote from: on the sideline on February 06, 2020, 12:24:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 06, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
Wonder well it be bad for morale???

Will players be envious of his deal?

Well the Transactions be worked similarly to Mickey's?

That's what I was thinking too.

Cathal should have just left, you can nearly hear the knives being sharpened by the usual nay sayers on here already. Maybe, just maybe Cathal had a look and decided the game wasn't for him?

I'm absolutely delighted he is staying, but I think this is a huge year for him, he will be a marked man, double and maybe treble at times. Things are going to be tough for him especially with this added media attention that the Aussie thing has added. He has had one outstanding season but to stay at that level is the mark of a truly great player. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on February 06, 2020, 07:29:24 AM
Great news!
Would say the major factor in his decision was the sunburn he got on the shoulders wearing thon sleeveless geansai
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 06, 2020, 07:44:57 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2020, 06:49:10 AM
Quote from: on the sideline on February 06, 2020, 12:24:04 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 06, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
Wonder well it be bad for morale???

Will players be envious of his deal?

Well the Transactions be worked similarly to Mickey's?

That's what I was thinking too.

Cathal should have just left, you can nearly hear the knives being sharpened by the usual nay sayers on here already. Maybe, just maybe Cathal had a look and decided the game wasn't for him?

I'm absolutely delighted he is staying, but I think this is a huge year for him, he will be a marked man, double and maybe treble at times. Things are going to be tough for him especially with this added media attention that the Aussie thing has added. He has had one outstanding season but to stay at that level is the mark of a truly great player. Can't wait.

I'm sure he will be getting close attention as our game plan is revolved around him. This is where other players will need to step up though. If McShane is taking up that kind of space and men then it should allow more space and time for our other attackers. I'd like to see us keep Harte or Donnelly in close to him in the coming season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 06, 2020, 08:16:36 AM
Great news that he's staying.

Yes, he will be a marked man, but then so are Clifford, Kilkenny, AoS etc - it's up to him to play as well as he can and the others to take advantage of any double marking.

If we could engineer McShane and Mattie as a consistent FF line that would present some problem to opposition backs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 06, 2020, 08:40:43 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 06, 2020, 08:16:36 AM
Great news that he's staying.

Yes, he will be a marked man, but then so are Clifford, Kilkenny, AoS etc - it's up to him to play as well as he can and the others to take advantage of any double marking.

If we could engineer McShane and Mattie as a consistent FF line that would present some problem to opposition backs

With Bradley buzzing around them, then that's a proper handful for any defence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 06, 2020, 08:51:04 AM
Can't understand how anyone can be negative about this. A real boost. Having been to the last 2 games they needed something. If you've played football you knwo when your main guy turns out it lifts the team. The money things another issue.

He seems a modest fella so maybe so was maybe thinking about his future. Going away for 2 years and putting a career on hold to struggle with a game you have never played maybe wasn't for him.

Anyway glad hes back, hopefully we can get everyone back as soon as possible. Mcshane and bradley is an exciting prospect that mickey probably won't play infuriatingly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 06, 2020, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 06, 2020, 08:51:04 AM
Can't understand how anyone can be negative about this. A real boost. Having been to the last 2 games they needed something. If you've played football you knwo when your main guy turns out it lifts the team. The money things another issue.

He seems a modest fella so maybe so was maybe thinking about his future. Going away for 2 years and putting a career on hold to struggle with a game you have never played maybe wasn't for him.

Anyway glad hes back, hopefully we can get everyone back as soon as possible. Mcshane and bradley is an exciting prospect that mickey probably won't play infuriatingly

I think Bradley will be better off playing out a bit deeper, his best season for Tyrone came as a no. 11 in 2015. I'd prefer to see Harte and Donnelly playing inside with McShane and McCurry or Bradley playing a little bit deeper coming onto the ball and taking their scores.

We simply have to commit more men to support McShane inside this year. Be interesting to see what Harte now does with Burns, we have a plethora of good half back line options so will he continue to try and mould him in a ball winning inside forward to perhaps link up with McShane?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 06, 2020, 09:23:38 AM
Big call for McShane - don't think he would have made it in the AFL at Key Forward but it must have been a last minute change of heart.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 06, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 06, 2020, 08:51:04 AM
Can't understand how anyone can be negative about this. A real boost. Having been to the last 2 games they needed something. If you've played football you knwo when your main guy turns out it lifts the team. The money things another issue.

He seems a modest fella so maybe so was maybe thinking about his future. Going away for 2 years and putting a career on hold to struggle with a game you have never played maybe wasn't for him.

Anyway glad hes back, hopefully we can get everyone back as soon as possible. Mcshane and bradley is an exciting prospect that mickey probably won't play infuriatingly

LMFAO
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 06, 2020, 12:27:07 PM
Fantastic news for Tyrone Gaa that Cathal has accepted the offer to stay,
The only problem is that I hope this wont have an effect on Conor McKenna now when he comes home, he's surely hold the County to Ransom aswel for a few incentives
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 06, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 06, 2020, 12:27:07 PM
Fantastic news for Tyrone Gaa that Cathal has accepted the offer to stay,
The only problem is that I hope this wont have an effect on Conor McKenna now when he comes home, he's surely hold the County to Ransom aswel for a few incentives

I just hope McKenna comes home ASAP. You look at the likes of Pearce Hanley who could have been the difference between Mayo and an AI and he turns 32 this year and that ship looks to have sailed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on February 06, 2020, 09:36:41 PM
McShane will take the bad luck of the current forward line

McCurry and O Neill were bullied in Blayney,

Frank Burns a good player but not consistent

I think Kyle and McShane could be an excellent inside forward line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 06, 2020, 09:49:34 PM
Great to see Cathal back, perfect timing too as the game in Blayney was a real eye opener for me. We could have played on for half a day and we wouldn't have got near them. You could tell within 5 mins their back line had our forwards in their pockets.

Having Cathal back will not only provide a direct scoring boost but, more importantly imo, will allow the rest of our forward line a much better chance of making an impact. Frank Burns is a top top player but is not in the same league as Cathal in the FF role. Having Cathal in there will automatically cause and ask serious questions off the opposition. Monaghan were able to push right up on our MF and commit a serious amount of men to their breaks as they had us sussed in our FF line. Teams will be much more weary of doing that with a FF line of Cathal and Matty in there. As mentioned earlier I would love to see Harte being more adventurous and leaving Bradley and McCurry playing on the 40 and putting quality ball into the FF line.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 06, 2020, 10:47:32 PM
Would be nice to see Cathal McShane and Frank Burns (in Matties role until his return anyway) inside as vocal points of the attack with McCurry and Bradley playing off them. It would be very adventurous and would represent a big shift from the usual cautious approach of Harte.
But the teams that have been successful in recent times, but at club and county level, are playing flowing attacking football. So if Tyrone want to push for that success that they are after, they need to follow suit and be more adventurous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 06, 2020, 11:00:27 PM
Hartes last year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
New job for him with Keystone Lintels I see
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 06, 2020, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
New job for him with Keystone Lintels I see
60000 a year. Site to build a house and 25000 cash from another donor. Harte has agreed it's his last year and wants to win all Ireland. Keystone new sponsor next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 07, 2020, 06:45:56 AM
If he wins an Al Ireland this year he will get it for another 5 years. And rightly so
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 07, 2020, 08:14:13 AM
Wouldn't keystone be an hour away from where he's from?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 07, 2020, 08:17:18 AM
Great to see Cathal back.Odds on relegation from Div 1 have lengthened.Keystone are to be commended for their support.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 07, 2020, 08:25:43 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 07, 2020, 08:14:13 AM
Wouldn't keystone be an hour away from where he's from?

From the press release it doesn't sound like he's going to be office based much.

Fair play to Keystone anyway. They should have inserted a clause where he can't play against Stewartstown this coming season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 07, 2020, 09:06:42 AM
Just thinking wasn't there always a rule in the Tyrone camp that any income earned by a player from various activities e.g. appearances, sessions etc. was all pooled so that everyone got a share of the kitty at the end to prevent the more high profile players making all the loot and others suffering? (Didnt big Sean get into a bit of trouble in this regard?)

If this still applies would Cathal not need to be putting the value into the kitty?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 09:19:30 AM
The picture of McShane as Wolf of Wallstreet.....is that his actual account or someone at it?

Very strange if its him, courting attention.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 07, 2020, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 09:19:30 AM
The picture of McShane as Wolf of Wallstreet.....is that his actual account or someone at it?

Very strange if its him, courting attention.

Yeah it's from his account he took it from that balls.ie page. I don't think there's much wrong with it sure it's a bit of craic. Think 99.9% of people would take it that way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 10:03:25 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 07, 2020, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 09:19:30 AM
The picture of McShane as Wolf of Wallstreet.....is that his actual account or someone at it?

Very strange if its him, courting attention.

Yeah it's from his account he took it from that balls.ie page. I don't think there's much wrong with it sure it's a bit of craic. Think 99.9% of people would take it that way.

I agree with your post, but the rumours doing the rounds since you'd think he would want to put out those fires. Not the biggest deal in the world just found it a bit odd.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 07, 2020, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 07, 2020, 09:06:42 AM
Just thinking wasn't there always a rule in the Tyrone camp that any income earned by a player from various activities e.g. appearances, sessions etc. was all pooled so that everyone got a share of the kitty at the end to prevent the more high profile players making all the loot and others suffering? (Didnt big Sean get into a bit of trouble in this regard?)

If this still applies would Cathal not need to be putting the value into the kitty?

Not sure if that's true or not but it sounds like something that wouldn't work. Like you could have one guy doing 20/30 appearances a year giving up his time and driving round the country and then having to share it with someone who never went near anything.

Maybe if they're asked for a county representative at an event they share it out so everyone gets a turn. I could see that happening.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 07, 2020, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 10:03:25 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 07, 2020, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 09:19:30 AM
The picture of McShane as Wolf of Wallstreet.....is that his actual account or someone at it?

Very strange if its him, courting attention.

Yeah it's from his account he took it from that balls.ie page. I don't think there's much wrong with it sure it's a bit of craic. Think 99.9% of people would take it that way.

I agree with your post, but the rumours doing the rounds since you'd think he would want to put out those fires. Not the biggest deal in the world just found it a bit odd.

Yeah fair enough point. You'd wonder where the leak came from. Surely there'd only be a few people that would know about the details.

Any word if he's involved this weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 07, 2020, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 10:03:25 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 07, 2020, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 09:19:30 AM
The picture of McShane as Wolf of Wallstreet.....is that his actual account or someone at it?

Very strange if its him, courting attention.

Yeah it's from his account he took it from that balls.ie page. I don't think there's much wrong with it sure it's a bit of craic. Think 99.9% of people would take it that way.

I agree with your post, but the rumours doing the rounds since you'd think he would want to put out those fires. Not the biggest deal in the world just found it a bit odd.

Yeah fair enough point. You'd wonder where the leak came from. Surely there'd only be a few people that would know about the details.

Any word if he's involved this weekend?

No inside info, but I'd be surprised if Harte doesn't have him in Sunday at the very least from the bench. A loss and with four tough games to come after, better to get a win Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: OurKid 2.0 on February 07, 2020, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 07, 2020, 08:14:13 AM
Wouldn't keystone be an hour away from where he's from?
Think Micky Hartes giving him a lift to work
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jimbop on February 07, 2020, 11:15:01 AM
Farcical that Harte is in the picture with him on Keystone's website. £60k p.a. McShane wouldnt be worth £600 a year. Lad's thick as champ
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
Yes, £60k for a trainee? Some deal! So, if Matty or Our Peter come to Mickey and say I'm going to live in the states will Mickey provide the same? Dangerous precedent to be setting? No?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 07, 2020, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
Yes, £60k for a trainee? Some deal! So, if Matty or Our Peter come to Mickey and say I'm going to live in the states will Mickey provide the same? Dangerous precedent to be setting? No?
Mickey is trying to win an All Ireland before he retires.. This fact has just worked extremely well in McShanes case because Mickey knows Tyrone are quite far away from winning it and needs every weapon possible
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on February 07, 2020, 11:41:00 AM
Quote from: Jimbop on February 07, 2020, 11:15:01 AM
Farcical that Harte is in the picture with him on Keystone's website. £60k p.a. McShane wouldnt be worth £600 a year. Lad's thick as champ

Isn't it just. Think Mickey's just jumped the shark, beginning of the end stuff. Not just content to possibly f*k off the rest of the players in the Tyrone camp, but will the Keystone Technical Specifications team all be getting a wage review in line with the market rate for an entry/associate level sales rep joining their team?

Was widely known that Colm Cavanagh with family and work commitments had hung up the boots after last season, only to be coaxed back in, with a few more mouths to feed was he also given a "package" to entice him to stay on? Maybe a newborn nutritional allowance on top of the GPA allowance?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 07, 2020, 12:02:14 PM
The boys on here complaining about McShane getting this job and using it to criticise Harte, would be the same boys that would have been on here complaining about Harte not doing enough to keep him if he'd left. It's great to see a local successful firm helping the people who provide a lot of joy to the county. Fair play to them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
Yes, £60k for a trainee? Some deal! So, if Matty or Our Peter come to Mickey and say I'm going to live in the states will Mickey provide the same? Dangerous precedent to be setting? No?

Not really, nobody in the AFL was offering them 40k a year to go and play in Oz.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 07, 2020, 12:09:43 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 07, 2020, 12:02:14 PM
The boys on here complaining about McShane getting this job and using it to criticise Harte, would be the same boys that would have been on here complaining about Harte not doing enough to keep him if he'd left. It's great to see a local successful firm helping the people who provide a lot of joy to the county. Fair play to them.

Losing McShane would have been used as a stick to beat Harte with. Now him staying, will have to do instead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
Yes, £60k for a trainee? Some deal! So, if Matty or Our Peter come to Mickey and say I'm going to live in the states will Mickey provide the same? Dangerous precedent to be setting? No?

Doesn't Donnelly work for PWC? Doubt he's getting paid pittance for that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 12:52:09 PM
Trainee Accountant? Is he fully qualified? Probably on about half of McShanes reported Salary (which I find hard o believe)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on February 07, 2020, 01:11:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
Yes, £60k for a trainee? Some deal! So, if Matty or Our Peter come to Mickey and say I'm going to live in the states will Mickey provide the same? Dangerous precedent to be setting? No?

Doesn't Donnelly work for PWC? Doubt he's getting paid pittance for that.

Not everyone in PWC is on a big salary lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on February 07, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
Not sure how true it is but heard that media in Australia reckon McShane wouldn't have cut it in AFL and that Brisbane might be glad he didn't sign their contract before he went out for the "trial"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 07, 2020, 01:28:12 PM
I suspected that it wouldn't take long until the usual suspects appear with their pitch forks. I thought it might take a bad performance by Cathal before everyone jumped on him but they've exceeded even my expectations with the haste of their begrudgery. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on February 07, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
Not sure how true it is but heard that media in Australia reckon McShane wouldn't have cut it in AFL and that Brisbane might be glad he didn't sign their contract before he went out for the "trial"

That would have been no shame not to make it in the AFL, especially as a key forward. McShane is a big enough lad in GAA terms, height wise he's something similar to an AFL key forward but he's nowhere near the athlete of Lance Franklin or the top guys in that position in AFL footy. It would have been a massive gamble for any of those clubs on him.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 07, 2020, 02:22:43 PM
Its a s**t sport anyway glad he is staying
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 07, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
Few thoughts

What the f**k is going to do in Keystone?
Does this set a really dangerous precedent?
How does this square with fair employment etc? Should anyone care?

Rumours I heard so far inc
60k Salary with Keystone
House in downtown Owen Roes / Site in the suburbs of Owen Roes
Two other Club Tyrone men stumped up £25k each lump sum
Car fully sponsored

So all pretty believable. Next week Ronan McNamee is off to play table tennis professionally in China.....

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on February 07, 2020, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
Few thoughts

What the f**k is going to do in Keystone?
Does this set a really dangerous precedent?
How does this square with fair employment etc? Should anyone care?

Rumours I heard so far inc
60k Salary with Keystone
House in downtown Owen Roes / Site in the suburbs of Owen Roes
Two other Club Tyrone men stumped up £25k each lump sum
Car fully sponsored

So all pretty believable. Next week Ronan McNamee is off to play table tennis professionally in China.....
;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 07, 2020, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on February 07, 2020, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 07, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
Few thoughts

What the f**k is going to do in Keystone?
Does this set a really dangerous precedent?
How does this square with fair employment etc? Should anyone care?

Rumours I heard so far inc
60k Salary with Keystone
House in downtown Owen Roes / Site in the suburbs of Owen Roes
Two other Club Tyrone men stumped up £25k each lump sum
Car fully sponsored

So all pretty believable. Next week Ronan McNamee is off to play table tennis professionally in China.....
;D

And another thing - first shit game he has they'll all have something to listen to. Harte, Coyle and McShane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on February 07, 2020, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.

Yeah sure £60k jobs in Mid Ulster for a teaching graduate with no real work experience happens all the time... what planet are you on??

Fair play to him I'd say it's great now but a couple of bad results and it wouldn't be hard for some resentment to set in from other players who aren't being as well looked after.

With regard to the pooling funds thing I'm not sure about Tyrone but Dublin definitely did it and fair play to lads like Brogan who were absolutely coining it and then went on and shared it with subs and lads with a lower profile!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 07, 2020, 02:56:39 PM
Don't see why anyone here should or would care about his job or how much he is getting.  The only point of interest is that our best forward is available this year, far better state of affairs than at the same stage last week.  Fair play to Harte if he did use his 'powers' to help convince him to stay, that's what you would expect or want your manager to do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 07, 2020, 03:08:12 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 07, 2020, 01:28:12 PM
I suspected that it wouldn't take long until the usual suspects appear with their pitch forks. I thought it might take a bad performance by Cathal before everyone jumped on him but they've exceeded even my expectations with the haste of their begrudgery.
I don't see anyone jumping on Cathal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 07, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.
average salary in the north is 33000. He getting near double that. Did Cathal graduate?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on February 07, 2020, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 07, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.
average salary in the north is 33000. He getting near double that. Did Cathal graduate?

I didn't graduate and I earn over £50k per year, what the hell does that matter?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 07, 2020, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 07, 2020, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 07, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.
average salary in the north is 33000. He getting near double that. Did Cathal graduate?

I didn't graduate and I earn over £50k per year, what the hell does that matter?
I didn't say it mattered. 50000? You working in keystone too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on February 07, 2020, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 07, 2020, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 07, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.
average salary in the north is 33000. He getting near double that. Did Cathal graduate?

I didn't graduate and I earn over £50k per year, what the hell does that matter?

2 years after leaving education and without any experience someone just gave you over 50k a year working a job in Mid Ulster??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on February 07, 2020, 03:28:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 07, 2020, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on February 07, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
Not sure how true it is but heard that media in Australia reckon McShane wouldn't have cut it in AFL and that Brisbane might be glad he didn't sign their contract before he went out for the "trial"

That would have been no shame not to make it in the AFL, especially as a key forward. McShane is a big enough lad in GAA terms, height wise he's something similar to an AFL key forward but he's nowhere near the athlete of Lance Franklin or the top guys in that position in AFL footy. It would have been a massive gamble for any of those clubs on him.

I wasn't suggesting that there would have been any shame. It probably worked out better for Brisbane and definitely for Cathal. It would have been an awful waste and loss of talent to Tyrone (and Qwen Roes) if he was out there on a 2 year contract as has been suggested and not made the grade. I'm glad to see him back in a Tyrone jersey and wish him every success in his new job!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 07, 2020, 04:23:00 PM
Personally I don't believe they are paying him £60k.
He'd be one of the highest paid men in Cookstown if it's true.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 12:52:09 PM
Trainee Accountant? Is he fully qualified? Probably on about half of McShanes reported Salary (which I find hard o believe)

He's been with them 3 or 4 years now so he must be close to being finished.

I don't find it so incredulous that he's earning £60k, his standing in football is the reason for that but he won't be the first or last.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 07, 2020, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 12:52:09 PM
Trainee Accountant? Is he fully qualified? Probably on about half of McShanes reported Salary (which I find hard o believe)

He's been with them 3 or 4 years now so he must be close to being finished.

I don't find it so incredulous that he's earning £60k, his standing in football is the reason for that but he won't be the first or last.

That sounds like an employment equality lawsuit waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 07, 2020, 05:23:58 PM
Fair Play McShane career is short enough....I Wonder did Mickey get a wee bonus....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 07, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 07, 2020, 05:23:58 PM
Fair Play McShane career is short enough....I Wonder did Mickey get a wee bonus....
I'd say Mickey getting enough already.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on February 07, 2020, 11:41:06 PM
Think this is crazy, to offer that amount (and let it out) with sites and all the rest, for 1 good year (the previous years he was nowhere near good enough). This year regardless was going to be tougher to back up what he did and not having Donnelly beside him will add to the difficulty, and it will be some crack if he gets injured for a period of time the knives will be out quicker than ever. Nobody would turn it down, but he really doesn't deserve half of it tbh, a job and a car would have been plenty. Not a good precedent to be setting let alone be plastered round the media.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 08, 2020, 01:49:23 AM
Keystone get the contract for the lintels in the new gaff. Everyone's quids-in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 08, 2020, 08:24:07 AM
I really don't see what the massive outrage is. He's not the first player to get a big job purely out of his profile in the game and his profile also happens to directly benefit his employer. You'd swear this type of thing has never happened before in the GAA. How many young lads get carried through university and get  a degree out of it simply because they are good at gaelic football?

If any of you read Cathal McCarron's book then you'll see what gaelic footballers get away with in terms of employment and other perks and I'd say it's far worse in other counties - the Dublin team all get free cars, half the Mayo team are driving around in free cars.

£60k is a very good wage but it's not earth shattering, the men who are giving it to him are businessmen, not mugs. They clearly feel that having a lad like McShane and his profile and standing in gaelic football and by proxy their association with Tyrone GAA is going to benefit their business to that effect.

There seems an awful lot of begrudgery to young McShane here, I'm delighted he's staying and he passed up a big opportunity for him to stay. He's got himself a good job now and hopefully he'll keept doing the business on the pitch.

At the end of the day it's a private business entity paying his wages, it would be a different story if he was charging €2k a function from amateur organisations as I heard a very well know hurling star down south does.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 08, 2020, 09:01:30 AM
gaa players giving favours in the community again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2020, 09:05:12 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on February 07, 2020, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 07, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.
average salary in the north is 33000. He getting near double that. Did Cathal graduate?

I didn't graduate and I earn over £50k per year, what the hell does that matter?

Are you 24 and have absolutely no experience in a job you've just been given?

Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 07, 2020, 12:52:09 PM
Trainee Accountant? Is he fully qualified? Probably on about half of McShanes reported Salary (which I find hard o believe)

He's been with them 3 or 4 years now so he must be close to being finished.

I don't find it so incredulous that he's earning £60k, his standing in football is the reason for that but he won't be the first or last.



A newly qualified accountant in the north makes about 30k maximum.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 08, 2020, 10:16:30 AM
Average salary in the north is around 24/25k.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on February 08, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 07, 2020, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.

Yeah sure £60k jobs in Mid Ulster for a teaching graduate with no real work experience happens all the time... what planet are you on??

Fair play to him I'd say it's great now but a couple of bad results and it wouldn't be hard for some resentment to set in from other players who aren't being as well looked after.

With regard to the pooling funds thing I'm not sure about Tyrone but Dublin definitely did it and fair play to lads like Brogan who were absolutely coining it and then went on and shared it with subs and lads with a lower profile!

Don't think he is a teaching graduate. Did Liberal Arts at St. Marys, not the BEd course - as far as I'm aware.  Having said that if he had done the teaching no doubt he would have walked straight into a job because he plays for Tyrone...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on February 08, 2020, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on February 08, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 07, 2020, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 07, 2020, 09:29:37 AM
60k a year wouldn't be an earth shattering deal for a university graduate like McShane with the profile he has.

I saw Aidan O'Shea was gifted a 70k car during the week by a local garage.

Yeah sure £60k jobs in Mid Ulster for a teaching graduate with no real work experience happens all the time... what planet are you on??

Fair play to him I'd say it's great now but a couple of bad results and it wouldn't be hard for some resentment to set in from other players who aren't being as well looked after.

With regard to the pooling funds thing I'm not sure about Tyrone but Dublin definitely did it and fair play to lads like Brogan who were absolutely coining it and then went on and shared it with subs and lads with a lower profile!

Don't think he is a teaching graduate. Did Liberal Arts at St. Marys, not the BEd course - as far as I'm aware.  Having said that if he had done the teaching no doubt he would have walked straight into a job because he plays for Tyrone...

Everyone is talking about how the other Tyrone players will react. I'd have to question how the other employees at keystone will react when some young lad with no experience comes in above them in position and salary. You'd have to really resent that if you'd been working there for a few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 08, 2020, 05:03:45 PM
will mcshane be playing many games for owen roes or was it part of this agreement that he play very little for owen roes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 08, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Omagh certain to be unplayable tomorrow.Give Cathal another week to bed in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 08, 2020, 10:06:25 PM
so two anomymous people in the community gave him 25k
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 09, 2020, 01:24:35 AM
so will he be getting it handy at this job will he probably just have to come in a couple days a week for a few hours no stressful stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 09, 2020, 09:45:00 AM
Today's match with Kerry moved to Edendork.

No, really.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 09, 2020, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 09, 2020, 01:24:35 AM
so will he be getting it handy at this job will he probably just have to come in a couple days a week for a few hours no stressful stuff.

What's it to you what he does or doesn't do in Keystone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 09, 2020, 10:02:56 AM
Is todays game still on tv?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 09, 2020, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2020, 10:02:56 AM
Is todays game still on tv?

I would doubt it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 09, 2020, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 09, 2020, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2020, 10:02:56 AM
Is todays game still on tv?

I would doubt it.

https://twitter.com/gaa_beo/status/1226457030141018112?s=21
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 09, 2020, 11:48:26 AM
Is game live or deferred?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 09, 2020, 01:06:57 PM
Live. Donegal/Galway deferred
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on February 09, 2020, 02:38:11 PM
Tiarnan mc Cann and conor myler they are currently stinking the place out in edendork.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 09, 2020, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on February 09, 2020, 02:38:11 PM
Tiarnan mc Cann and conor myler they are currently stinking the place out in edendork.

Jeez, that's harsh, I thought McCann had a great second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on February 09, 2020, 03:52:20 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2020, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on February 09, 2020, 02:38:11 PM
Tiarnan mc Cann and conor myler they are currently stinking the place out in edendork.

Jeez, that's harsh, I thought McCann had a great second half.

I posted at half time when both were horrific slightly better second half
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 09, 2020, 05:39:41 PM
The silence on this board is deafening after that result  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 09, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
Conditions a great leveller.

McGeary a complete liability
McCurry with a great performance.

Harte seems a bit...... more free??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 09, 2020, 07:25:52 PM
Gritty win and very much needed as Kerry have had our number for a good while now.

Championship will be a different story but any win against the Kingdom is to be savored.

McCurry outstanding today and McShane will quickly get back up to speed.

Great kicking by Morgan to keep us ticking over in the first half too.

Agree that HPMcG wasn't at his best. Maybe trying too hard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 09, 2020, 07:35:22 PM
Big improvement second half today. Mc curry/Morgan the standouts. Another win should secure safety.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on February 09, 2020, 08:10:29 PM
Was that HPMcG who was trying his best to bring kerry back into it. Two awful passes. At the same time conditions were shocking and he wasn't long on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 09, 2020, 08:50:41 PM
The early season form of McCurry is a a big boost, I'm a huge fan of his, he's a joy to watch and he really seems to have found a role that he can excel in the side. I hope he keeps it up. If we can add in the likes of M Donnelly, Hampsey, McKernan and R Donnelly later on it bodes well with McShane now back in the fold.

I thought Niall Kelly and Rafferty did very well today. Morgan was outstanding on the frees, had a few early jitters on the kickouts against a strong breeze.

The conditions were poor for both sides, I think we were probably effected more as we made a huge number of handling errors and were turned over a huge amount of times in the first half that led to scores.

Hard to make too many conclusions today as they were very miserable conditions to play in. I'd have high hopes for Kilpatrick but he hasn't really made much of an impact in the league thus far, I think he's worth sticking with.

Hope Kerr is given another shot, very difficult for him in those circumstances today. We played against a strong breeze in the first half and there was not much ball going in as a result.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 09, 2020, 09:07:17 PM
Some day for Edendork.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on February 09, 2020, 10:44:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 09, 2020, 07:35:22 PM
Big improvement second half today. Mc curry/Morgan the standouts. Another win should secure safety.

You ll be gutted if so ..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 10, 2020, 09:57:20 AM
The referee might have got us out of jail yesterday with that second yellow for Clifford. Not a yellow or in that case second yellow for me.

Big win - D1 is cut throat this year.

You can laugh now but McGeary had an absolute shocker when he came on. One to forget for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on February 10, 2020, 10:01:35 AM
Thought McCurry was excellent yesterday - would be great to see him keep this form for the season.

Fair play to E'Dork for getting prepared at such short notice.

I feared for us at the beginning of the year and thought relegation was a distinct possibility - not at all now and with Cathal back we have the firepower.

Thought Frank had a might game yesterday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 10, 2020, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 10, 2020, 09:57:20 AM
The referee might have got us out of jail yesterday with that second yellow for Clifford. Not a yellow or in that case second yellow for me.

Big win - D1 is cut throat this year.

You can laugh now but McGeary had an absolute shocker when he came on. One to forget for him.

I don't think the Clifford incident had much of a bearing, there was little time left and Kerry were trailing against a strong breeze. You could argue the Harte red card had a bigger impact. Thought the referee had no real control on the game, although the conditions made it tough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 10, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 10, 2020, 10:01:35 AM
Thought McCurry was excellent yesterday - would be great to see him keep this form for the season.

Fair play to E'Dork for getting prepared at such short notice.

I feared for us at the beginning of the year and thought relegation was a distinct possibility - not at all now and with Cathal back we have the firepower.

Thought Frank had a might game yesterday

Thought K McGeary and Frank Burns did very well sharing the sweeping duties and had a good impact driving out with the ball.

T McCann had a really bad first half but thought he was excellent in the second.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 10, 2020, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 09, 2020, 10:44:18 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 09, 2020, 07:35:22 PM
Big improvement second half today. Mc curry/Morgan the standouts. Another win should secure safety.

You ll be gutted if so ..
go away and cop yourself on. We need to stay in div 1 for the new manager next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 10, 2020, 10:10:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 10, 2020, 09:57:20 AM
The referee might have got us out of jail yesterday with that second yellow for Clifford. Not a yellow or in that case second yellow for me.

Big win - D1 is cut throat this year.

You can laugh now but McGeary had an absolute shocker when he came on. One to forget for him.

Hugh Pat has been a steady performer for us now for the past year, just a bad day at the office yesterday. Michael Cassidy also had a rush of blood to the head when he came on, ploughing into Tommy Walsh after he'd caught a mark. Walsh would have struggled to score that himself but Cassidy turned it into a handy free for O'Shea. It can't be easy getting to the pitch of a game like that when coming on after sitting around in the freezing cold and wet for an hour.

Frank Burns was great yesterday, he's far more suited to playing further back the field than in the inside line. Niall Sludden had a good game also and the second half was the best I've seen Tiernan McCann play for some time. Seemed to be some good team spirit on show from Tyrone as well, all the subs and injured men on the sideline up out of the dugout urging the team on.

I was delighted for McCurry yesterday. He's had his critics within Tyrone but really stood up yesterday, he's playing great stuff at the moment. Lovely interview with him on BBC NI as well for anyone interested.

We have a good two week break now where we can get McShane and Harte another couple of weeks training under the belt and then a big game v Galway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 10, 2020, 11:30:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 10, 2020, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 10, 2020, 09:57:20 AM
The referee might have got us out of jail yesterday with that second yellow for Clifford. Not a yellow or in that case second yellow for me.

Big win - D1 is cut throat this year.

You can laugh now but McGeary had an absolute shocker when he came on. One to forget for him.

I don't think the Clifford incident had much of a bearing, there was little time left and Kerry were trailing against a strong breeze. You could argue the Harte red card had a bigger impact. Thought the referee had no real control on the game, although the conditions made it tough.

Not sure....there was 4/5 mins left at the time....Clfford was outstanding, only ended up a point in it. I could have seen Kerry engineer the draw Dublin style if he stayed on. I think Sean O'Shea also missed a free around that time too but it was that cold it may have been before the sending off.

Think Tyrone needed that win and they got it, big tests to come and it looks like everyone is going to take the 2 pts from Meath. You really couldn't call it. Could end up in final, could end up fighting relegation. All in all, considering everything and the injury list / McShane saga things look a lot better now than this time last week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eastie on February 10, 2020, 12:08:13 PM
Monaghan hopefully was a wake up call. I really hope McCurry can carry it on into Croke Park later in the year, he can be a joy to watch. Still think there are big improvements to be made but all is good when you come out on the right side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on February 10, 2020, 02:47:57 PM
We've 3 tough away fixtures and Dublin at home, although it's all to play for the next 2 points could well be harder to come by than yesterdays.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 10, 2020, 05:37:41 PM
Anyone know how long Richie and Mattie Donnelly out for?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 10, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: Stan on February 10, 2020, 05:37:41 PM
Anyone know how long Richie and Mattie Donnelly out for?

Mattie not due back until Championship at some point.

There's been no word on a timeline for the likes of Richie, McClure, Loughran or Hampsey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 10, 2020, 09:09:47 PM
Thanks - Thought Paudie Hampsey would be close to it at this stage...good to have them all back sooner rather than later
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on February 10, 2020, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 05, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 05, 2020, 04:53:52 PM
Big wind storm forecast for Saturday into Sunday. Potentially could affect the Kerry game.
hopefully gets called off, only chance we have of avoiding defeat.

  Spot the gobshite !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 10, 2020, 09:38:37 PM
Did mchugh walk
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 11, 2020, 08:32:29 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 10, 2020, 09:38:37 PM
Did mchugh walk

Yes - didn't want to give up another year of Club football having just come back from injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 11, 2020, 08:32:29 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 10, 2020, 09:38:37 PM
Did mchugh walk

Yes - didn't want to give up another year of Club football having just come back from injury.

The thing about these lads who quit the panel to play club football is that come the summer and peak Championship time, they won't be playing much football anyway.

I can understand McHugh's decision, he missed two years of football pretty much and he seems to be down the pecking order. I'd have liked to have seen him get a proper run though, injuries and the form of others did mean we never got to see if he was up to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 09:25:00 AM
Can't blame McHugh....in circumstances like his, you could argue he probably should be released to the club for for game time but I'm not sure any county, let alone Tyrone do that kinda thing anymore. Suppose it's all insurance and paperwork.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 11, 2020, 09:29:01 AM
Realistically, there are atleast 10 others on the panel like him. There for training purposes only at this stage, Mickey doesn't change his mind on a player no matter the circumstances. Some boys are happy enough to be there as training resources but eventually it is bound to become sickening.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on February 11, 2020, 09:34:22 AM
Interesting development coming out of Australia this morning. If McKenna comes home indefinitely it sheds a whole new light on Tyrone's All Ireland hopes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on February 11, 2020, 09:34:22 AM
Interesting development coming out of Australia this morning. If McKenna comes home indefinitely it sheds a whole new light on Tyrone's All Ireland hopes

He gets these wee weeks off to help homesickness, don't think there is anything else in it.

Who knows how he adapts to Gaelic Football again even if back. He didn't look too hot v Edendork despite scoring a goal I was told.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 11, 2020, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on February 11, 2020, 09:34:22 AM
Interesting development coming out of Australia this morning. If McKenna comes home indefinitely it sheds a whole new light on Tyrone's All Ireland hopes
Just seen it, would surely be a massive addition to Tyrone. I know it was an official club statement but I remember seeing a video of him golfing in Australia yesterday or the day before.. Must've been in the pipeline if he's home now 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 11, 2020, 09:56:31 AM
For the sake of argument what position do you think Mickey would play him in?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on February 11, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
If Conor McKenna comes home and is straight into the Tyrone panel, it will be some addition and will massively boost Tyrones chances of an AI title win. 

Imagine a forward line consisting of McCurry, Sludden, Harte, Matty D, McShane, Conor McKenna

Now thats fire power.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, Mickey Harte is the man.  Incredible manager and best man for the job.  Gets McShane to stay and gets Conor McKenna home.  Anyone who wants MH out of the setup would need to have their heads checked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 11, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
This is some coup for Harte. Keeping mcshane here and even bringing back mckenna.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 11, 2020, 10:14:01 AM
Is he definitely home for good? Seems to be mixed reports.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 11, 2020, 10:14:01 AM
Is he definitely home for good? Seems to be mixed reports.

If he's home at the minute and looking out at what I am he'll be back in Melbourne by the weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 11, 2020, 09:56:31 AM
For the sake of argument what position do you think Mickey would play him in?

Centre forward is his best position.

A forward line with Harte, McKenna, Donnelly, McShane and McCurry would be hugely exicting.

It could really free up McCurry as a finisher too as all those guys need serious watching.

I really, really hope it's true that he's coming home for good.





Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 11, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Don't be losing the run of yourselves boys, it sounds like some isn't well from the statement just. Be hard being away in those circumtances
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 11, 2020, 10:47:09 AM
Wow, a week ago it looked like relegation to Div 2 and a short summer was on the cards. With Cathal McShane now staying and if Conor Mckenna is really back home indefinitely then we have a real shot at Sam Maguire.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 11, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Don't be losing the run of yourselves boys, it sounds like some isn't well from the statement just. Be hard being away in those circumtances

Who knows?

But McKenna has always admitted to being homesick.

He's probably seen McShane being rewarded for staying put and looked after and maybe he feels he'd rather be back home playing the game he loves and he could be well looked after for doing so.

I hope everything is ok in the lad's personal life.

If he's coming home for good and he's ready to join up with the team then it changes absolutely everything for our prospects in this summer's championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 11, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Don't be losing the run of yourselves boys, it sounds like some isn't well from the statement just. Be hard being away in those circumtances

Who knows?

But McKenna has always admitted to being homesick.

He's probably seen McShane being rewarded for staying put and looked after and maybe he feels he'd rather be back home playing the game he loves and he could be well looked after for doing so.

I hope everything is ok in the lad's personal life.

If he's coming home for good and he's ready to join up with the team then it changes absolutely everything for our prospects in this summer's championship.

Honestly, your putting insane pressure already on a lad who hasn't played Gaelic Football in about 4/5 years now. He won't just come straight back into the Tyrone team.....Not a chance and there is a chance he never actually makes it in Gaelic Football at Inter county level.

What is going in Tyrone's favour is the fact he doesn't actually appear on any of the Essendon team pics that they uploaded recently at a look there.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on February 11, 2020, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 11, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Don't be losing the run of yourselves boys, it sounds like some isn't well from the statement just. Be hard being away in those circumtances

Who knows?

But McKenna has always admitted to being homesick.

He's probably seen McShane being rewarded for staying put and looked after and maybe he feels he'd rather be back home playing the game he loves and he could be well looked after for doing so.

I hope everything is ok in the lad's personal life.

If he's coming home for good and he's ready to join up with the team then it changes absolutely everything for our prospects in this summer's championship.

McShane is being well rewarded relative to the others on the squad. I would be confident that this is well below McKennas salary in Australia.

Still don't think his return (if that is even the case) would get us past Kerry or Dublin, but a big improvement regardless.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 11, 2020, 11:14:50 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 11, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Don't be losing the run of yourselves boys, it sounds like some isn't well from the statement just. Be hard being away in those circumtances

Who knows?

But McKenna has always admitted to being homesick.

He's probably seen McShane being rewarded for staying put and looked after and maybe he feels he'd rather be back home playing the game he loves and he could be well looked after for doing so.

I hope everything is ok in the lad's personal life.

If he's coming home for good and he's ready to join up with the team then it changes absolutely everything for our prospects in this summer's championship.

Honestly, your putting insane pressure already on a lad who hasn't played Gaelic Football in about 4/5 years now. He won't just come straight back into the Tyrone team.....Not a chance and there is a chance he never actually makes it in Gaelic Football at Inter county level.

What is going in Tyrone's favour is the fact he doesn't actually appear on any of the Essendon team pics that they uploaded recently at a look there.

Are you serious? he would walk onto the Tyrone team. Harte even had him in the senior setup when he was still a minor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 11, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Don't be losing the run of yourselves boys, it sounds like some isn't well from the statement just. Be hard being away in those circumtances

Who knows?

But McKenna has always admitted to being homesick.

He's probably seen McShane being rewarded for staying put and looked after and maybe he feels he'd rather be back home playing the game he loves and he could be well looked after for doing so.

I hope everything is ok in the lad's personal life.

If he's coming home for good and he's ready to join up with the team then it changes absolutely everything for our prospects in this summer's championship.

Honestly, your putting insane pressure already on a lad who hasn't played Gaelic Football in about 4/5 years now. He won't just come straight back into the Tyrone team.....Not a chance and there is a chance he never actually makes it in Gaelic Football at Inter county level.

What is going in Tyrone's favour is the fact he doesn't actually appear on any of the Essendon team pics that they uploaded recently at a look there.

He's been playing and training as a professional athlete for the past 5 years.

McKenna was an absolutely unbelievable talent at minor level. We've had guys like Coney and O'Neill who didn't live up their minor performances but Coney was a huge minor and lacks the mobility to dominate when he's against people powerful enough to contain him. O'Neill never had the size and lost a lot of pace after his ACL.

McKenna was both a phenomenal athlete and a fantastic footballer, he has searing pace, is extremely accurate off either foot and his physical attributes are perfectly suited to the modern game. He's a one in a generation talent and was the best underage player we produced since Sean Cavanagh.

I really hope it's true and if he does come back there will be pressure and expectation on him, it's only natural given his underage pedigree and how he excelled in Australia where few actually make it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on February 11, 2020, 11:26:15 AM
Tadhg Kennelly and Martin Clarke made big impacts for their counties on return from the AFL. I think McKenna could make the same impact for Tyrone. It's not as if he is coming home after suffering a serious injury like Tommy Walsh did.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 11:28:20 AM
I agree with the professional argument you lads bring, however there isn't really that much difference anymore at the top level between AFL and GAA. AFL players are leaner and have better endurance / speed though - the latter is why McKenna went there in the first place.

The problem lies with kicking the round ball again, now he could come back and be great - but I'd say it's much more likely he'll need a period of readjustment to the game...but, the inside mark would probably be a help considering his speed. The lad has been away for 5 years. It's not going to be that simple - and you also are forgetting the fact the AFL site says he's expected back Feb 27th, this is not a done deal, he's not been delisted. You are putting him in a county team before it's even confirmed and declaring him the saviour - that type of pressure won't be any help.

I don't think home sickness is going to bring home a 23 year old professional athlete from Melbourne, he lives with the brother over there. I suspect it's just a news story - bad timing for Essendon mind you. He hasn't made his money yet. What is he going to do when he comes home? He's been a professional athlete from 18 - I don't know how he done in school, I assume Queens or Jordanstown would fall over themselves to get him into a Sigerson team - Does that really bring him home?





Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 11, 2020, 11:31:33 AM
If he is back for good then he will be a good attention to the team but I can't see him making a big impact this year. Hopefully I am wrong but it's alot of pressure to put on him before he has even kicked a ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2020, 11:26:15 AM
Tadhg Kennelly and Martin Clarke made big impacts for their counties on return from the AFL. I think McKenna could make the same impact for Tyrone. It's not as if he is coming home after suffering a serious injury like Tommy Walsh did.

I'd imagine it would take him time to get back up to speed, tactically the game will have changed a lot but if he's back for good, I'd expect him to have established himself as one of the game's elite players in the next two years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 11, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
Im sure they can find him s cushy job at some firm in tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 11, 2020, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2020, 11:26:15 AM
Tadhg Kennelly and Martin Clarke made big impacts for their counties on return from the AFL. I think McKenna could make the same impact for Tyrone. It's not as if he is coming home after suffering a serious injury like Tommy Walsh did.

I'd imagine it would take him time to get back up to speed, tactically the game will have changed a lot but if he's back for good, I'd expect him to have established himself as one of the game's elite players in the next two years.

I think that's a more realistic timescale for him to have a major impact. Be very hard to see him making a huge impact this season IF he's back for good. I have seen an article where sources at the club expect him back for their first match at the end of the month.

Be great to see him back but I dont think we should count our chickens yet. Some change in outlook between today and this day last week . . .
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 11:28:20 AM
I agree with the professional argument you lads bring, however there isn't really that much difference anymore at the top level between AFL and GAA. AFL players are leaner and have better endurance / speed though - the latter is why McKenna went there in the first place.

The problem lies with kicking the round ball again, now he could come back and be great - but I'd say it's much more likely he'll need a period of readjustment to the game...but, the inside mark would probably be a help considering his speed. The lad has been away for 5 years. It's not going to be that simple - and you also are forgetting the fact the AFL site says he's expected back Feb 27th, this is not a done deal, he's not been delisted. You are putting him in a county team before it's even confirmed and declaring him the saviour - that type of pressure won't be any help.

I don't think home sickness is going to bring home a 23 year old professional athlete from Melbourne, he lives with the brother over there. I suspect it's just a news story - bad timing for Essendon mind you. He hasn't made his money yet. What is he going to do when he comes home? He's been a professional athlete from 18 - I don't know how he done in school, I assume Queens or Jordanstown would fall over themselves to get him into a Sigerson team - Does that really bring him home?

I get what you're saying, he will take time to settle back in if he is home for good. His first season could be iffy but he has the talent and the mindset to be one of the best players in the game if he does come back.

I think the homesickness is a big issue with him and big enough to bring him home, he's been quite open about this in interviews. You and I both know Tyrone would love to have him back and if he does come back that he will be well looked after, it may not be an AFL salary but if it makes him happy then I think he'd definitely come home
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 11, 2020, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2020, 11:26:15 AM
Tadhg Kennelly and Martin Clarke made big impacts for their counties on return from the AFL. I think McKenna could make the same impact for Tyrone. It's not as if he is coming home after suffering a serious injury like Tommy Walsh did.

I'd imagine it would take him time to get back up to speed, tactically the game will have changed a lot but if he's back for good, I'd expect him to have established himself as one of the game's elite players in the next two years.

I think that's a more realistic timescale for him to have a major impact. Be very hard to see him making a huge impact this season IF he's back for good. I have seen an article where sources at the club expect him back for their first match at the end of the month.

Be great to see him back but I dont think we should count our chickens yet. Some change in outlook between today and this day last week . . .

There's a mini wave of euphoria and optimism with the news of McShane staying, a win over Kerry and now a buzz around McKenna. Hopefully that can tap into his mind when he's home and I'd be certain Mickey Harte will be calling around for a chat......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 11, 2020, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 11, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
Im sure they can find him s cushy job at some firm in tyrone.
Home for an interview in keystone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on February 11, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
I would imagine his trip home will be short lived and is just an excursion before the season starts.

The afl league kicks off in March and can run to the end of September potentially.  With games every week ideally this is the time to do it. 

He is a star in the team over there, and given his situation I'm sure they are allowing him some allowances, as he is sacrificing more than most players on the team being there. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on February 11, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
I would imagine his trip home will be short lived and is just an excursion before the season starts.

The afl league kicks off in March and can run to the end of September potentially.  With games every week ideally this is the time to do it. 

He is a star in the team over there, and given his situation I'm sure they are allowing him some allowances, as he is sacrificing more than most players on the team being there.

It seems very close to the season to be sanctioning it.

I could be getting my hopes up but there seems to be a lot more to it and I'd be hopeful he might decide to stay in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 11, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
Ciaran McLaughlin and Conan Grugan have left the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 11, 2020, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 11, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
Ciaran McLaughlin and Conan Grugan have left the panel.

Since when? They were both on the line on Sunday.

If true it's probably fair enough from each player and equally no loss to the panel. Both have been knocking around for quite a while now without making an impact and were well down the pecking order. When Grugan rejoined the panel last year I thought he would make a bigger impression but he seemed to struggle with injuries last year and to be honest he's been disappointing in most of the chances he's got.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 11, 2020, 02:52:28 PM
Omagh on the other hand just became interesting as a Championship bet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 11, 2020, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 11, 2020, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 11, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
Ciaran McLaughlin and Conan Grugan have left the panel.

Since when? They were both on the line on Sunday.

If true it's probably fair enough from each player and equally no loss to the panel. Both have been knocking around for quite a while now without making an impact and were well down the pecking order. When Grugan rejoined the panel last year I thought he would make a bigger impression but he seemed to struggle with injuries last year and to be honest he's been disappointing in most of the chances he's got.

I have to agree here. McLaughlin is a solid player but well behind those in front of him. In terms of Grugan, without doubt a classy operator but just think he is a level below what is needed to be a prominent figure in that Tyrone side. However majority of people in Omagh St Enda's would strongly disagree with that. They rate him extremely highly and maybe that hasn't stood to him. I think he probably expects to me making more of an impact than he has.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 03:10:07 PM
I had high hopes that Grugan would establish himself as a starter when he rejoined the panel. He's been massively disappointing, for a midfielder he simply doesn't impose himself on the game. Seems to be behind Cavanagh, Kilpatrick, Kennedy, McDonnell and R Donnelly in the midfield area so I think the writing is on the wall there.

McLaughlin again has plenty of options in front of him, don't think either are in with a shot of breaking into the side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 11, 2020, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 11, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
If Conor McKenna comes home and is straight into the Tyrone panel, it will be some addition and will massively boost Tyrones chances of an AI title win. 

Imagine a forward line consisting of McCurry, Sludden, Harte, Matty D, McShane, Conor McKenna

Now thats fire power.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, Mickey Harte is the man.  Incredible manager and best man for the job.  Gets McShane to stay and gets Conor McKenna home.  Anyone who wants MH out of the setup would need to have their heads checked.

Imagine that forward line with Lee Brennan in the mix too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 11, 2020, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 11, 2020, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 11, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
If Conor McKenna comes home and is straight into the Tyrone panel, it will be some addition and will massively boost Tyrones chances of an AI title win. 

Imagine a forward line consisting of McCurry, Sludden, Harte, Matty D, McShane, Conor McKenna

Now thats fire power.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, Mickey Harte is the man.  Incredible manager and best man for the job.  Gets McShane to stay and gets Conor McKenna home.  Anyone who wants MH out of the setup would need to have their heads checked.

Imagine that forward line with Lee Brennan in the mix too.
Who is he again??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on February 11, 2020, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 11, 2020, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 11, 2020, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 11, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
If Conor McKenna comes home and is straight into the Tyrone panel, it will be some addition and will massively boost Tyrones chances of an AI title win. 

Imagine a forward line consisting of McCurry, Sludden, Harte, Matty D, McShane, Conor McKenna

Now thats fire power.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, Mickey Harte is the man.  Incredible manager and best man for the job.  Gets McShane to stay and gets Conor McKenna home.  Anyone who wants MH out of the setup would need to have their heads checked.

Imagine that forward line with Lee Brennan in the mix too.
Who is he again??

i would be more interested in mcaliskey or bradley being put into that forward line
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on February 11, 2020, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 11, 2020, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 11, 2020, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 11, 2020, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on February 11, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
If Conor McKenna comes home and is straight into the Tyrone panel, it will be some addition and will massively boost Tyrones chances of an AI title win. 

Imagine a forward line consisting of McCurry, Sludden, Harte, Matty D, McShane, Conor McKenna

Now thats fire power.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, Mickey Harte is the man.  Incredible manager and best man for the job.  Gets McShane to stay and gets Conor McKenna home.  Anyone who wants MH out of the setup would need to have their heads checked.

Imagine that forward line with Lee Brennan in the mix too.
Who is he again??

i would be more interested in mcaliskey or bradley being put into that forward line

Or Darragh Canavan when he makes the step up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on February 11, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
It's no canavan, o'neill, mulligan, dooher, mcguigan but would be an improvement on recent years
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 11, 2020, 09:03:18 PM
Is Lee Brennan suddenly not rated?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 11, 2020, 09:17:48 PM
Maybe jumping the gun with Conor McKenna - hopefully get some clarity over the next few weeks but no doubt it would be great to have him back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on February 11, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Sheer coincidence that McKenna's home. Yis hardly think he seen McShane staying and Kerry bate and booked a flight at 4 in the morning.
He's obviously bored out of his nut in an AFL preseason and without competitive action probably told the club look I need some home time before the 6 month season slog of AFL. In reality it's his last chance to be home before season starts so he's probably making the most of that.

Unlike McShane he is actually contracted to an AFL club so I'd say he could be found in breach of contract if he fucked of just at the start of a season. Few men would trade well paid work for the uncertainty of going back to Eglish with a legal bill round your neck.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 11, 2020, 11:07:56 PM
Quote from: trileacman on February 11, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Sheer coincidence that McKenna's home. Yis hardly think he seen McShane staying and Kerry bate and booked a flight at 4 in the morning.
He's obviously bored out of his nut in an AFL preseason and without competitive action probably told the club look I need some home time before the 6 month season slog of AFL. In reality it's his last chance to be home before season starts so he's probably making the most of that.

Unlike McShane he is actually contracted to an AFL club so I'd say he could be found in breach of contract if he fucked of just at the start of a season. Few men would trade well paid work for the uncertainty of going back to Eglish with a legal bill round your neck.

Breach of contract? Would imagine it's only if he left and then signed with another AFL side that would be an issue. Plenty of Irish lads break their AFL contracts and come home.

I don't think Essedon would have released a statement in that manner if they thought it was a routine trip home. I don't think they'd sanction a trip back to Ireland 4 weeks before the start of the season in normal circumstances.

There's more at play here for me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 12, 2020, 08:39:52 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 11, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
Sheer coincidence that McKenna's home. Yis hardly think he seen McShane staying and Kerry bate and booked a flight at 4 in the morning.
He's obviously bored out of his nut in an AFL preseason and without competitive action probably told the club look I need some home time before the 6 month season slog of AFL. In reality it's his last chance to be home before season starts so he's probably making the most of that.

Unlike McShane he is actually contracted to an AFL club so I'd say he could be found in breach of contract if he fucked of just at the start of a season. Few men would trade well paid work for the uncertainty of going back to Eglish with a legal bill round your neck.

Yeah that makes zero sense, you think they will lock him up at the essendon ground until the end of his contract. I wouldn't be surprised if he did want home and see the mcshance saga. Would be a superb addition!

Also boys above knocking a young lad like lee brennan is ridiculous. lee will definitely come again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on February 12, 2020, 08:59:59 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 11, 2020, 09:03:18 PM
Is Lee Brennan suddenly not rated?

Breenan is an excellent dead ball kicker, probably the best around but i think mcaliskey and bradley are much more effective in open play than him... at county level anyway. Canavan also as inroundthesquare mentioned
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 12, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
The issue with Lee Brennan for me is an attitude/mindset one.

He's a fantastic footballer, a joy to watch when he's on song. He's a maverick player but all the top forwards now are workhorses as well as mavericks - look at the likes of McManus, Murphy, Mannion, Kilkenny, O'Callaghan, Clifford and Geaney - they all put a power of work in defensively.

I think Brennan lacks that now and I think he was extremely premature in walking away last year considering he started an All Ireland semi final about 7 or 8 months prior. It's not a great look that the first sign of him falling back in the pecking order had him downing tools.

For me McCurry and Bradley are currently ahead of him and McAliskey if he was available too and I think the most of these lads you'll want starting together is 2.

What's impressed me about McCurry this season is his work rate and appetite. He looks in top shape physically
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on February 12, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
Agree on McCurry - he looks much leaner this season and his workrate has been fantastic to date.

With Donnelly & McShane up top getting a lot of the attention McCurry could be the man
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 12, 2020, 10:57:55 AM
Speaking of Canavan is he playing for the u20s this weekend? He hasn't features at all in the pre season competition I don't think?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 12, 2020, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 12, 2020, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 12, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
Agree on McCurry - he looks much leaner this season and his workrate has been fantastic to date.

With Donnelly & McShane up top getting a lot of the attention McCurry could be the man

A lot of talk about donnelly on the board considering he hasn't touched leather this season, no guarantee he will be the same animal as last season. Although i do hope he reaches the same heights.

Fingers crossed but it's a very worrying injury alright but Mattie seems to be the type of lad who will take his rehab extremely seriously.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 12, 2020, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 12, 2020, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 12, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
Agree on McCurry - he looks much leaner this season and his workrate has been fantastic to date.

With Donnelly & McShane up top getting a lot of the attention McCurry could be the man

A lot of talk about donnelly on the board considering he hasn't touched leather this season, no guarantee he will be the same animal as last season. Although i do hope he reaches the same heights.

What about R. Donnelly and C. McShane together?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 12, 2020, 09:44:49 PM
Anyone know the real story with McKenna.....has he quit down under and will he join up with the Tyrone  panel??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on February 13, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
Conor McKenna playing in the MacRory Cup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hEshsQY_9Q

Back training with Eglish last night apparently.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 02:23:45 PM
Quote from: phpearse on February 13, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
Conor McKenna playing in the McCrory Cup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hEshsQY_9Q

Back training with Eglish last night apparently.

The minor semi final against Roscommon in 2013 when he pretty much beat them on his own was one of the best individual displays I've seen.

Think he was minor again the following year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 13, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
so how good is mckenna
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 13, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 13, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
so how good is mckenna
Better footballer than McShane
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on February 13, 2020, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on February 13, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 13, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
so how good is mckenna
Better footballer than McShane

If he fulfils his potential before he left then yes he is better than McShane.

However that is a big IF given he has been away for so long
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 13, 2020, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 13, 2020, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on February 13, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 13, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
so how good is mckenna
Better footballer than McShane

If he fulfils his potential before he left then yes he is better than McShane.

However that is a big IF given he has been away for so long

He was a better footballer than McShane, alot has changed since then and McShane is a different player now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 06:23:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 13, 2020, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 13, 2020, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on February 13, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 13, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
so how good is mckenna
Better footballer than McShane

If he fulfils his potential before he left then yes he is better than McShane.

However that is a big IF given he has been away for so long

He was a better footballer than McShane, alot has changed since then and McShane is a different player now.

It has but McKenna is coming back (if he stays) as a rare success story in the AFL. He's still only 23 and has not had any major injury worries.

It might take him a year or two to settle back into the game but I've no doubt if he comes back and stays injury free then he will be one of the top players in the country in the next two years. Physically and athletically he is a monster, he has searing pace that our team currently doesn't really have and a huge engine. The amount of ground he covers is staggering.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on February 13, 2020, 09:05:28 PM
McKenna coming back would be a BIG boost.

He adapted very quickly to AFL and debuted at the age of 18/19, so you would think he could adapt back to football quickly? Having a forward line including McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly suddenly looks VERY dangerous. Assuming he is a starter, you still have Sludden, McGeary, McCurry, Meyler, Bradley and others to throw in to to the mix.

Potentially exciting times...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Why is he home? Unless there is a private matter then surely he will be away back to Oz in a month or 2. Joining the real world of work and fitting in football and shite weather in Ireland might cure his homesickness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 13, 2020, 09:23:43 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on February 13, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 13, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
so how good is mckenna
Better footballer than McShane

Better footballer than 80% - unfair to measure against Cathal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 13, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Why is he home? Unless there is a private matter then surely he will be away back to Oz in a month or 2. Joining the real world of work and fitting in football and shite weather in Ireland might cure his homesickness.
Eglish matters. And Tyrone. He can go back once the ultimate prize in his life is won.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 13, 2020, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 13, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Why is he home? Unless there is a private matter then surely he will be away back to Oz in a month or 2. Joining the real world of work and fitting in football and shite weather in Ireland might cure his homesickness.
Eglish matters. And Tyrone. He can go back once the ultimate prize in his life is won.
+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 13, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Why is he home? Unless there is a private matter then surely he will be away back to Oz in a month or 2. Joining the real world of work and fitting in football and shite weather in Ireland might cure his homesickness.
Eglish matters. And Tyrone. He can go back once the ultimate prize in his life is won.

He must be on a £100k a year over there at least. It's hard to even know if he will be any use now and where would he play?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 13, 2020, 10:25:38 PM
Chf
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on February 13, 2020, 10:32:34 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 12, 2020, 10:57:55 AM
Speaking of Canavan is he playing for the u20s this weekend? He hasn't features at all in the pre season competition I don't think?

Was recovering from injury since re-aggravating it in the club championship last year (groin I think) - according to Devlin he is back in training as well as Tiarnan Quinn... both available for Saturday it sounds like
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 13, 2020, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 13, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Why is he home? Unless there is a private matter then surely he will be away back to Oz in a month or 2. Joining the real world of work and fitting in football and shite weather in Ireland might cure his homesickness.
Eglish matters. And Tyrone. He can go back once the ultimate prize in his life is won.

He must be on a £100k a year over there at least. It's hard to even know if he will be any use now and where would he play?

If he is homesick and restless, the money won't be an issue. Dont think it's hard to imagine hime re-adjusting given that Marty Clarke and Kennelly both did rightly on their return.
He's now a professional athlete - his youtube content is unreal and based on that alone there could be any n umber of options for later this year or definitely next
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 13, 2020, 10:59:31 PM
His pace is phenomenal.

Just look at the way he burns some of the players in these videos. He's a player who plays with his head up, can takes scores off either feet and was a fine free taker back in his underage days as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 13, 2020, 11:33:31 PM
If he came back here for a year or two and decided he wanted to go back would AFL clubs still want him. Just curious as wouldn't have a clue how that works?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 13, 2020, 11:43:37 PM
https://youtu.be/JS2YXdRqiPM

This is one game, he's a phenomenon

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 14, 2020, 04:30:52 AM
what sort of money are the top afl players on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 14, 2020, 04:31:58 AM
Would be considered one of the top players in the country if he comes back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 14, 2020, 04:32:46 AM
well tyrone can lose twice and still win all ireland
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 06:31:26 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2020, 04:30:52 AM
what sort of money are the top afl players on

Millions of Aussie dollars between contract and sponsorships. McKenna is in the top 10 best players at his club so big money would have been on the horizon. He's mad in the head moving home if he's just homesick. If there is something else more serious then it's totally understandable to come home.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 07:49:29 AM
Quote from: Stan on February 13, 2020, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 13, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Why is he home? Unless there is a private matter then surely he will be away back to Oz in a month or 2. Joining the real world of work and fitting in football and shite weather in Ireland might cure his homesickness.
Eglish matters. And Tyrone. He can go back once the ultimate prize in his life is won.

He must be on a £100k a year over there at least. It's hard to even know if he will be any use now and where would he play?

If he is homesick and restless, the money won't be an issue. Dont think it's hard to imagine hime re-adjusting given that Marty Clarke and Kennelly both did rightly on their return.
He's now a professional athlete - his youtube content is unreal and based on that alone there could be any n umber of options for later this year or definitely next

YouTube content at a different sport means nothing! Yes a brilliant talent and can still be worked with but he needs time, I don't see him establishing himself on the Tyrone team this season, maybe not even next season, but everyone talking about how physical he is, Gaa now is as much physical as AFL, if not more, AFL isn't the game it used to be years ago due to health and safety on tackles and no shoulders barges etc like what you can get in Gaa, he's no bigger than any other man on the Tyrone set up, I cud name 10/15 men on the Tyrone team who are physically bigger than him,and lets not forget Tyrone players are practically training as pros aswel, probably even fitter than McKenna! so please give him time to adjust, because its us the supporters who cud ruin him with too much hype and pressure!!
And everyone sayin "Oh he was a brilliant minor", well to this day Kyle Coney is the best minor I've ever saw, doesn't mean he's guna turn into a superstar senior player! Rant over!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
What a load of shite. AFL is an incredibly physical game, Gaelic football doesn't compare in that regard. Completely different game and different fitness required. Gaa would be quicker and more twisting and turning. AFL games regularly last over 100 mins and the ground is massive. It's a much more lung busting run type sport. They cover crazy kilometres throughout games. The skills levels would be much higher in GAA as well. I could see McKenna playing CHB or somewhere like that now. Even midfield as he will be extremely fit and used to getting up and down the ground.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 14, 2020, 08:03:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 06:31:26 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2020, 04:30:52 AM
what sort of money are the top afl players on

Millions of Aussie dollars between contract and sponsorships. McKenna is in the top 10 best players at his club so big money would have been on the horizon. He's mad in the head moving home if he's just homesick. If there is something else more serious then it's totally understandable to come home.

I don't think he is anywhere near earning millions of Aussie Dollars. But he would still be earning good money. But life isn't all about money and it sounds like he's been struggling out there for a long time. 5 years is a long time for a lad to go away from home if he's not happy. You can't put a price tag for example on spending time with family and friends. Hopefully he makes the decision which is best for himself. If he does want home hopefully he can get a good education and job. It would be great to see him back in a Tyrone shirt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 14, 2020, 08:14:03 AM
He could come back and fit in quickly, or he could come back and simply not be as good as we imagined.  I always look at how good Caolan Mooney was at under-age and the speed he possessed, but he hasn't set the world alight for Down since he came back.  As mentioned, being unreal at minor is seemingly a jinx in Tyrone, whether thats an issue with the management or something else, I don't know - see Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 14, 2020, 08:17:57 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 14, 2020, 08:14:03 AM
He could come back and fit in quickly, or he could come back and simply not be as good as we imagined.  I always look at how good Caolan Mooney was at under-age and the speed he possessed, but he hasn't set the world alight for Down since he came back.  As mentioned, being unreal at minor is seemingly a jinx in Tyrone, whether thats an issue with the management or something else, I don't know - see Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill.

Mooney came back with injury problems but has improved since.

In terms of the minors not making it you could find loads of examples of good minors not making it in all counties. There is a lot more physicality needed at senior level and that's where some of our players have struggled, O'Neill wasn't helped by injuries at a crucial time. You could find plenty of examples of good minors making it Tyrone in the last 20 years - starting with the 97/98 team, then the likes of Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Harte etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaagaagaa20 on February 14, 2020, 08:51:52 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 14, 2020, 08:03:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 06:31:26 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2020, 04:30:52 AM
what sort of money are the top afl players on

Millions of Aussie dollars between contract and sponsorships. McKenna is in the top 10 best players at his club so big money would have been on the horizon. He's mad in the head moving home if he's just homesick. If there is something else more serious then it's totally understandable to come home.

I don't think he is anywhere near earning millions of Aussie Dollars. But he would still be earning good money. But life isn't all about money and it sounds like he's been struggling out there for a long time. 5 years is a long time for a lad to go away from home if he's not happy. You can't put a price tag for example on spending time with family and friends. Hopefully he makes the decision which is best for himself. If he does want home hopefully he can get a good education and job. It would be great to see him back in a Tyrone shirt.
Forget about him playing for anyone other than Essendon in the immediate future, he's definitely playing for them again when the season starts. Hopefully see him with Tyrone at some stage but won't be happening while he is still under contract which runs til the 2021 season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 08:55:08 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 14, 2020, 08:14:03 AM
He could come back and fit in quickly, or he could come back and simply not be as good as we imagined.  I always look at how good Caolan Mooney was at under-age and the speed he possessed, but he hasn't set the world alight for Down since he came back.  As mentioned, being unreal at minor is seemingly a jinx in Tyrone, whether thats an issue with the management or something else, I don't know - see Mulgrew, Coney, O'Neill.

I think Mooney has been really good the past couple of years, he's just playing in a fairly average Down side. I thought he was exceptional the year they made the Ulster final.

Also worth noting that Mooney didn't make the grade at AFL, McKenna has excelled.

Mooney was pure speed and power, he wouldn't have had the same footballing ability as McKenna. You look at the scoring rate of McKenna at minor level for Tyrone, he played a lot of his football and midfield and was regularly hitting the likes of 1-04 a game with a fair chunk of that from play.

It's not set in stone but I haven't been as excited or expectant of player to come out of Tyrone since Cavanagh.

Coney and O'Neill had physical issues when it came to senior football. Coney found the physical dominance he had at minor level no longer existed at senior level, O'Neill just didn't have the physique and pace needed at this level - a bad injury for him just out of minor compounded that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 09:00:13 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 14, 2020, 08:03:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 06:31:26 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2020, 04:30:52 AM
what sort of money are the top afl players on

Millions of Aussie dollars between contract and sponsorships. McKenna is in the top 10 best players at his club so big money would have been on the horizon. He's mad in the head moving home if he's just homesick. If there is something else more serious then it's totally understandable to come home.

I don't think he is anywhere near earning millions of Aussie Dollars. But he would still be earning good money. But life isn't all about money and it sounds like he's been struggling out there for a long time. 5 years is a long time for a lad to go away from home if he's not happy. You can't put a price tag for example on spending time with family and friends. Hopefully he makes the decision which is best for himself. If he does want home hopefully he can get a good education and job. It would be great to see him back in a Tyrone shirt.

No he's def not earning anywhere near that but the top players would be. Buddy Franklin signed a big contract but his endorsements make him just as much. The salary cap doesn't allow for teams to pay their players silly money.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 14, 2020, 09:00:32 AM
Quote from: phpearse on February 13, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
Conor McKenna playing in the MacRory Cup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hEshsQY_9Q

Back training with Eglish last night apparently.
Contacted a player, Eglish haven't trained this week..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 09:17:30 AM
It's a story that will rumble on until we get an definitive answer, similar to McShane.

None of us really know and speculation will be rife.

I'm looking at it objectively.

- He clearly misses home, I think he misses gaelic football and misses playing for Tyrone.
- He's had 5 years out in Australia, he'd be reasonably well set up financially. He has probably enough money in the bank now to go back to Eglish and buy or build a house for himself and he's only 23. His profile in gaelic football will see him well looked after.
- I think the timing of it is striking, you don't want an important player going 4 weeks before the season starts in a professional sport. Missing the entire pre season sets you back a long way, particularly in a pro game
- There's a bit of a buzz back around Tyrone now with McShane returning and the speculation re McKenna. I'm sure Mickey Harte will be doing everything he possibly can to keep him here and I think he'll use that buzz to try and tap into McKenna's head.
- His contract with Essedon is not an issue, it's only an issue if he breaks it and goes to play with another AFL side. Plenty of Irish lads break their contract and return home when they get homesick or realise the game is not for them
- The big issue is McKenna clearly is not enjoying it over there, despite the money, weather, pro lifestlye

I'm very hopeful he could be home for good. He has options here, he'll be well looked after with a job or UUJ will be rolling out the red carpet for him if he decides to stay. Again, it's just speculation but it's my read on matters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 14, 2020, 09:27:36 AM
Essendon are not going to 'go after' McKenna if he comes home. It's very important that AFL Clubs are seen to be doing right by the Irish lads as they want to be as attractive as possible for the next superstar.

There are lots of barriers re McKenna coming back. I don't think this is one of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 09:17:30 AM
It's a story that will rumble on until we get an definitive answer, similar to McShane.

None of us really know and speculation will be rife.

I'm looking at it objectively.

- He clearly misses home, I think he misses gaelic football and misses playing for Tyrone.
- He's had 5 years out in Australia, he'd be reasonably well set up financially. He has probably enough money in the bank now to go back to Eglish and buy or build a house for himself and he's only 23. His profile in gaelic football will see him well looked after.
- I think the timing of it is striking, you don't want an important player going 4 weeks before the season starts in a professional sport. Missing the entire pre season sets you back a long way, particularly in a pro game
- There's a bit of a buzz back around Tyrone now with McShane returning and the speculation re McKenna. I'm sure Mickey Harte will be doing everything he possibly can to keep him here and I think he'll use that buzz to try and tap into McKenna's head.
- His contract with Essedon is not an issue, it's only an issue if he breaks it and goes to play with another AFL side. Plenty of Irish lads break their contract and return home when they get homesick or realise the game is not for them
- The big issue is McKenna clearly is not enjoying it over there, despite the money, weather, pro lifestlye

I'm very hopeful he could be home for good. He has options here, he'll be well looked after with a job or UUJ will be rolling out the red carpet for him if he decides to stay. Again, it's just speculation but it's my read on matters.

The AFL preseason is notoriously long, he started pre season, pre Xmas. He was home at Xmas too. These guys are different level - they are obsessed with body fat levels/skinfolds/blood analysis...A week off would do him limited harm, I'm sure the Aussies get a bit of a break anyway, they just aren't flying 24 hours away. McKenna will do most damage when he's home steamed in the Moy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 09:44:17 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 09:17:30 AM
It's a story that will rumble on until we get an definitive answer, similar to McShane.

None of us really know and speculation will be rife.

I'm looking at it objectively.

- He clearly misses home, I think he misses gaelic football and misses playing for Tyrone.
- He's had 5 years out in Australia, he'd be reasonably well set up financially. He has probably enough money in the bank now to go back to Eglish and buy or build a house for himself and he's only 23. His profile in gaelic football will see him well looked after.
- I think the timing of it is striking, you don't want an important player going 4 weeks before the season starts in a professional sport. Missing the entire pre season sets you back a long way, particularly in a pro game
- There's a bit of a buzz back around Tyrone now with McShane returning and the speculation re McKenna. I'm sure Mickey Harte will be doing everything he possibly can to keep him here and I think he'll use that buzz to try and tap into McKenna's head.
- His contract with Essedon is not an issue, it's only an issue if he breaks it and goes to play with another AFL side. Plenty of Irish lads break their contract and return home when they get homesick or realise the game is not for them
- The big issue is McKenna clearly is not enjoying it over there, despite the money, weather, pro lifestlye

I'm very hopeful he could be home for good. He has options here, he'll be well looked after with a job or UUJ will be rolling out the red carpet for him if he decides to stay. Again, it's just speculation but it's my read on matters.

The AFL preseason is notoriously long, he started pre season, pre Xmas. He was home at Xmas too. These guys are different level - they are obsessed with body fat levels/skinfolds/blood analysis...A week off would do him limited harm, I'm sure the Aussies get a bit of a break anyway, they just aren't flying 24 hours away. McKenna will do most damage when he's home steamed in the Moy.

That's even more pressing so, that he will hardly have had any pre-season in a very long pre-season.

He's had 5 years of homesickness and he doesn't seem any more content. We've all had friends or family like this, it doesn't go away and unlike a lot of people who have to emigrate due to employment or social issues - McKenna can come back at any time with a good bit of money in the bank and people climbing over themselves to set him up with a good career.

I think there is a very good chance he'll stay/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 14, 2020, 10:05:03 AM
Quare silly **** to walk away from 100 grand for playing football. He stays if you ask me, at least until the contract is up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.

Important.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.

Important.

Neither of his brothers were good enough which was the reason they didn't make it. A lot of players like R McKenna, P Hughes, C McGinley, Danny McBride etc who would have all been close enough in age and getting reasonable opportunities at the time suddenly found themselves on the fringes when the U21 side of 2015 began to break through. Some players left on good terms, others didn't but the bottom line remains that both of McKenna's brothers probably weren't good enough for the level we were aspiring to.

Also was it not Shay McGuigan who went to the papers? Can't recall either of the McKennas speaking out at the time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 14, 2020, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 14, 2020, 10:05:03 AM
Quare silly **** to walk away from 100 grand for playing football. He stays if you ask me, at least until the contract is up

It's probably more than that so very hard to walk away from. But if he really isn't happy out there then it's hard to know what to do. If someone offered you big money to work away from your family/friends etc for next 7 years and told you that you wouldn't be happy would you do it anyway? To me money is important but certainly not everything.

It's not as if he's been out a few months and isn't enjoying it. He might be better taking a year out coming home and getting it out of his system. Would still likely be welcomed back next year if he has a change of heart. Clarke went home then back and McKenna is at an age where its bound to be an option. If he wants to stay at home hopefully he is looked after in terms of education/job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
What a load of shite. AFL is an incredibly physical game, Gaelic football doesn't compare in that regard. Completely different game and different fitness required. Gaa would be quicker and more twisting and turning. AFL games regularly last over 100 mins and the ground is massive. It's a much more lung busting run type sport. They cover crazy kilometres throughout games. The skills levels would be much higher in GAA as well. I could see McKenna playing CHB or somewhere like that now. Even midfield as he will be extremely fit and used to getting up and down the ground.

AFL players average running distance is 13k (Just done research on google them on distances posted by the teams), the same for intercounty game is averge 13k but intercounty is done in less time...
AFL is an incredibly physical game - Obv it is im not doubting that but so is Gaa, McKenna will be likened to Caolan Mooney, same build and speed! Some say Mooney didn't make but he played 2 season with Collingwood who where one of the top teams in the AFL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.

Important.

Neither of his brothers were good enough which was the reason they didn't make it. A lot of players like R McKenna, P Hughes, C McGinley, Danny McBride etc who would have all been close enough in age and getting reasonable opportunities at the time suddenly found themselves on the fringes when the U21 side of 2015 began to break through. Some players left on good terms, others didn't but the bottom line remains that both of McKenna's brothers probably weren't good enough for the level we were aspiring to.

Also was it not Shay McGuigan who went to the papers? Can't recall either of the McKennas speaking out at the time.

It was Mickey who went to the papers is what I meant. Give me either of the McKenna brothers ahead of Conor Myler, Ronan O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Aidan McRory, Conal McCann, Hugh Pat McGeary

Even if I take your point - mickey and conor meet and the subject of his brothers come up. Mickey looks at him and says Conor your different your brothers weren't good enough and thats why they ended on the scrap heap that day they walked away from me.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 14, 2020, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
What a load of shite. AFL is an incredibly physical game, Gaelic football doesn't compare in that regard. Completely different game and different fitness required. Gaa would be quicker and more twisting and turning. AFL games regularly last over 100 mins and the ground is massive. It's a much more lung busting run type sport. They cover crazy kilometres throughout games. The skills levels would be much higher in GAA as well. I could see McKenna playing CHB or somewhere like that now. Even midfield as he will be extremely fit and used to getting up and down the ground.

AFL players average running distance is 13k (Just done research on google them on distances posted by the teams), the same for intercounty game is averge 13k but intercounty is done in less time...
AFL is an incredibly physical game - Obv it is im not doubting that but so is Gaa, McKenna will be likened to Caolan Mooney, same build and speed! Some say Mooney didn't make but he played 2 season with Collingwood who where one of the top teams in the AFL

Boys ask anyone from Down, Mooney was a rocket out there and when he came back, McKenna seems a different character.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 14, 2020, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 13, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
Why is he home? Unless there is a private matter then surely he will be away back to Oz in a month or 2. Joining the real world of work and fitting in football and shite weather in Ireland might cure his homesickness.
Eglish matters. And Tyrone. He can go back once the ultimate prize in his life is won.
intermediate championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 14, 2020, 11:59:40 AM
Didn't one of his brothers leave the Tyrone panel with ill feeling?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 14, 2020, 12:08:02 PM
The thing that a lot of you miss is that no one pulls on the jersey to play for Mickey Harte. It's Tyrone they want to play for. I know the relationship with the manager is important but it can be overstated. Always whispers about people not getting on with Mickey Harte but it's very rare you see a first 15 player walk away from the panel. It's usually guys frustrated at not getting on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.

Important.

Neither of his brothers were good enough which was the reason they didn't make it. A lot of players like R McKenna, P Hughes, C McGinley, Danny McBride etc who would have all been close enough in age and getting reasonable opportunities at the time suddenly found themselves on the fringes when the U21 side of 2015 began to break through. Some players left on good terms, others didn't but the bottom line remains that both of McKenna's brothers probably weren't good enough for the level we were aspiring to.

Also was it not Shay McGuigan who went to the papers? Can't recall either of the McKennas speaking out at the time.

It was Mickey who went to the papers is what I meant. Give me either of the McKenna brothers ahead of Conor Myler, Ronan O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Aidan McRory, Conal McCann, Hugh Pat McGeary

Even if I take your point - mickey and conor meet and the subject of his brothers come up. Mickey looks at him and says Conor your different your brothers weren't good enough and thats why they ended on the scrap heap that day they walked away from me.

They lost their places when better players came around and didn't have the heart to fight it out. There were a good few in that boat back then. I'd say a few regret not sticking it out.

Emmett McKenna was one of those who dropped off the panel when we got relegated in the league. We made an AI semi final that summer and unlucky not to make the final. We won two Ulster titles in a row after that. I'd say some of those lads would regret not waiting round and working for their places. Tiernan McCann is an example of a lad who had been on the fringes of the panel for 3 or 4 years before he made himself a regular in the team in 2015.

The brothers have hardly pulled up trees with Eglish since they dropped off and also spent time traveling. There seems to be nothing better in football in Tyrone to boost your ability by dropping off the county panel when you weren't seeing game time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 12:23:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.

Important.

Neither of his brothers were good enough which was the reason they didn't make it. A lot of players like R McKenna, P Hughes, C McGinley, Danny McBride etc who would have all been close enough in age and getting reasonable opportunities at the time suddenly found themselves on the fringes when the U21 side of 2015 began to break through. Some players left on good terms, others didn't but the bottom line remains that both of McKenna's brothers probably weren't good enough for the level we were aspiring to.

Also was it not Shay McGuigan who went to the papers? Can't recall either of the McKennas speaking out at the time.

It was Mickey who went to the papers is what I meant. Give me either of the McKenna brothers ahead of Conor Myler, Ronan O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Aidan McRory, Conal McCann, Hugh Pat McGeary

Even if I take your point - mickey and conor meet and the subject of his brothers come up. Mickey looks at him and says Conor your different your brothers weren't good enough and thats why they ended on the scrap heap that day they walked away from me.

They lost their places when better players came around and didn't have the heart to fight it out. There were a good few in that boat back then. I'd say a few regret not sticking it out.

Emmett McKenna was one of those who dropped off the panel when we got relegated in the league. We made an AI semi final that summer and unlucky not to make the final. We won two Ulster titles in a row after that. I'd say some of those lads would regret not waiting round and working for their places. Tiernan McCann is an example of a lad who had been on the fringes of the panel for 3 or 4 years before he made himself a regular in the team in 2015.

The brothers have hardly pulled up trees with Eglish since they dropped off and also spent time traveling. There seems to be nothing better in football in Tyrone to boost your ability by dropping off the county panel when you weren't seeing game time.

Tyrone have to make an All Ireland Semi, that's not an achievement for out great county any more, you wudnt see Kerry, Mayo, Dublin considers a Semi being a good enuf year, it should be a minimum, we are one of the top 4 teams in Ireland so cant expect to have anything less!
Emmett McKenna left with Shay McGuigan, Patrick McNeice, Dwayne Quinn, and PJ Lavery after the league in2015, they trained all pre season and throughout the league and got a couple of minutes, injured players came back and got on the last league game! You cudnt blame them!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 12:30:34 PM
It also linked back to mis management in my view - Mickey wasn't in favour of 26 player squad that time so instead of naming 26 eligible players he decided to do his own thing and name 33 players and it came out amongst the players that they where there togging out and doing warm ups at times when they didnt even realise that they weren't even eligible to play.

I stick by my original point I'm sure the McKennas would not be big Harte advocates so that could feed into any decision!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 14, 2020, 12:49:35 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 14, 2020, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
What a load of shite. AFL is an incredibly physical game, Gaelic football doesn't compare in that regard. Completely different game and different fitness required. Gaa would be quicker and more twisting and turning. AFL games regularly last over 100 mins and the ground is massive. It's a much more lung busting run type sport. They cover crazy kilometres throughout games. The skills levels would be much higher in GAA as well. I could see McKenna playing CHB or somewhere like that now. Even midfield as he will be extremely fit and used to getting up and down the ground.

AFL players average running distance is 13k (Just done research on google them on distances posted by the teams), the same for intercounty game is averge 13k but intercounty is done in less time...
AFL is an incredibly physical game - Obv it is im not doubting that but so is Gaa, McKenna will be likened to Caolan Mooney, same build and speed! Some say Mooney didn't make but he played 2 season with Collingwood who where one of the top teams in the AFL

Boys ask anyone from Down, Mooney was a rocket out there and when he came back, McKenna seems a different character.

Mooney was a superstar minor and is an average enough senior county player now - it might have happened that way or maybe his jaunt to the AFL had an impact.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 12:23:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
Average AFL salary is nearly 200k STG - so would it be safe to say McKenna is on at least 150k and then with sponsorship and other bits of endorsements etc. he could be up to 200k - assuming after tax 140k in bank per year. another 5 or 6 years of that would be tempting for anyone - with it only likely to increase if avoided injuries.

Hes been away from a young age which is probably the hardest bit I'd say but if he has a year at home he could realise what hes missing in be back in the AFL in the near future.

Also are we sure he'll like the setup with Tyrone if he returns lets not forget he had two brothers who had a pretty messy breakup with Mickey who went to the papers about the incident - surely he'll be well warned about trusting Mickey within his own household. If Mickey is courting McKenna - he would need to realise Mickey will do whats best for Mickey and not whats best for Conor.

Would be class to see him star for Tyrone but he really needs to think about it as I would never like to see a lad give up on the opportunity to set himself up for life particularly when Tyrone don't seem to be making alot of in roads on another All Ireland at least in the current set up.

Important.

Neither of his brothers were good enough which was the reason they didn't make it. A lot of players like R McKenna, P Hughes, C McGinley, Danny McBride etc who would have all been close enough in age and getting reasonable opportunities at the time suddenly found themselves on the fringes when the U21 side of 2015 began to break through. Some players left on good terms, others didn't but the bottom line remains that both of McKenna's brothers probably weren't good enough for the level we were aspiring to.

Also was it not Shay McGuigan who went to the papers? Can't recall either of the McKennas speaking out at the time.

It was Mickey who went to the papers is what I meant. Give me either of the McKenna brothers ahead of Conor Myler, Ronan O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Aidan McRory, Conal McCann, Hugh Pat McGeary

Even if I take your point - mickey and conor meet and the subject of his brothers come up. Mickey looks at him and says Conor your different your brothers weren't good enough and thats why they ended on the scrap heap that day they walked away from me.

They lost their places when better players came around and didn't have the heart to fight it out. There were a good few in that boat back then. I'd say a few regret not sticking it out.

Emmett McKenna was one of those who dropped off the panel when we got relegated in the league. We made an AI semi final that summer and unlucky not to make the final. We won two Ulster titles in a row after that. I'd say some of those lads would regret not waiting round and working for their places. Tiernan McCann is an example of a lad who had been on the fringes of the panel for 3 or 4 years before he made himself a regular in the team in 2015.

The brothers have hardly pulled up trees with Eglish since they dropped off and also spent time traveling. There seems to be nothing better in football in Tyrone to boost your ability by dropping off the county panel when you weren't seeing game time.

Tyrone have to make an All Ireland Semi, that's not an achievement for out great county any more, you wudnt see Kerry, Mayo, Dublin considers a Semi being a good enuf year, it should be a minimum, we are one of the top 4 teams in Ireland so cant expect to have anything less!
Emmett McKenna left with Shay McGuigan, Patrick McNeice, Dwayne Quinn, and PJ Lavery after the league in2015, they trained all pre season and throughout the league and got a couple of minutes, injured players came back and got on the last league game! You cudnt blame them!

Not many great counties about now, of all the teams that have currently won an All Ireland football title we were the last one to do so. Counties with bigger football traditions and picks like Down, Galway, Cork, Derry and Meath etc have all fallen away in that time so it's about time some fans had some perspective. One county has won 6 or the last 7 All Irelands, only  other counties apart from ourselves have contested an All Ireland final since 2011.

I couldn't blame them? I could. If the players don't want to stay and fight for their jersey then so be it. There's plenty of cases of lads biding their time and taking their opportunity.

McNeice had loads of opportunities too, he just wasn't good enough. Quinn gave it 5 months and actually featured in quite a few league games. McKenna had played quite prominently in 2014 in his first season with the seniors without ever really impressing too much. McGuigan again didn't do an awful lot.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 14, 2020, 12:49:35 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 14, 2020, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
What a load of shite. AFL is an incredibly physical game, Gaelic football doesn't compare in that regard. Completely different game and different fitness required. Gaa would be quicker and more twisting and turning. AFL games regularly last over 100 mins and the ground is massive. It's a much more lung busting run type sport. They cover crazy kilometres throughout games. The skills levels would be much higher in GAA as well. I could see McKenna playing CHB or somewhere like that now. Even midfield as he will be extremely fit and used to getting up and down the ground.

AFL players average running distance is 13k (Just done research on google them on distances posted by the teams), the same for intercounty game is averge 13k but intercounty is done in less time...
AFL is an incredibly physical game - Obv it is im not doubting that but so is Gaa, McKenna will be likened to Caolan Mooney, same build and speed! Some say Mooney didn't make but he played 2 season with Collingwood who where one of the top teams in the AFL

Boys ask anyone from Down, Mooney was a rocket out there and when he came back, McKenna seems a different character.

Mooney was a superstar minor and is an average enough senior county player now - it might have happened that way or maybe his jaunt to the AFL had an impact.

Utter nonsense, he is Down's best player by some distance. He'd have his place on most county teams in the country, I think he'd walk onto the Tyrone team in the most competitive line in our squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on February 14, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 14, 2020, 12:30:34 PM
It also linked back to mis management in my view - Mickey wasn't in favour of 26 player squad that time so instead of naming 26 eligible players he decided to do his own thing and name 33 players and it came out amongst the players that they where there togging out and doing warm ups at times when they didnt even realise that they weren't even eligible to play.

I stick by my original point I'm sure the McKennas would not be big Harte advocates so that could feed into any decision!

Tyrone v Louth qualifier at Healy Park in 2014, 32 men togged out, insane  :-X

https://www.sportsfile.com/id/881590/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 14, 2020, 01:31:01 PM
I wonder how many players Mickey has managed during his time as manager of Tyrone from when he first took over the minor team in 1991 right through to the current senior set up via a stint at U21? That is coming up to nearly 30 years of interactions with players in squads of upwards of 30 each year. Each time over that period of time when he picked a team, Mickey upset half of the lads in the squad if they didn't make the starting 15. I think its fairly impressive that we can name virtually all the players who have left in bad terms during that time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 14, 2020, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 12:52:10 PM

Utter nonsense, he is Down's best player by some distance. He'd have his place on most county teams in the country, I think he'd walk onto the Tyrone team in the most competitive line in our squad.

I was just going to say that about Mooney. He's a top quality player I can only imagine how good he'd be in a better team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on February 14, 2020, 02:48:54 PM
Mooney plays as a half back, he was a forward as a Minor. He'd probably match Jack McCaffrey for pace. He's easily one of Downs best players. Hopefully he recovers from his attack,doubtful he'll play any football this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on February 14, 2020, 03:00:17 PM
Mooney is a class player. That Ulster Final when Tyrone were hammering Down, Mooney stood up and scored a couple of great scores. He is easily Down's best player and one of the best about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 14, 2020, 03:04:44 PM
Nrico - you must be some player if you claim Mooney is just average. He is a super player, athletic, fast, strong and would start on every county team in Ireland bar possibly Dublin. He would certainly pick a spot on Tyrone outfit. A serious footballer who unfortunately for him is currently playing on an average team and still stands out a mile. He would be All star material playing with any of the top 4/5 teams.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 14, 2020, 03:11:29 PM
Seems to attract a lot of off field attention.Being a good footballer can have its downside when socialising.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 14, 2020, 03:38:28 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 14, 2020, 12:08:02 PM
The thing that a lot of you miss is that no one pulls on the jersey to play for Mickey Harte. It's Tyrone they want to play for. I know the relationship with the manager is important but it can be overstated. Always whispers about people not getting on with Mickey Harte but it's very rare you see a first 15 player walk away from the panel. It's usually guys frustrated at not getting on.

If rumours are to be believed Mickey Harte's family don't get on with Mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 14, 2020, 04:23:48 PM
What's the story with Conal Grimes - no sign of him lately on any team sheets
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 14, 2020, 04:23:48 PM
What's the story with Conal Grimes - no sign of him lately on any team sheets

Probably undergoing a silent ban for some of his exploits last season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 14, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 14, 2020, 04:23:48 PM
What's the story with Conal Grimes - no sign of him lately on any team sheets

He was No. 19 against Kerry?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
What a load of shite. AFL is an incredibly physical game, Gaelic football doesn't compare in that regard. Completely different game and different fitness required. Gaa would be quicker and more twisting and turning. AFL games regularly last over 100 mins and the ground is massive. It's a much more lung busting run type sport. They cover crazy kilometres throughout games. The skills levels would be much higher in GAA as well. I could see McKenna playing CHB or somewhere like that now. Even midfield as he will be extremely fit and used to getting up and down the ground.

AFL players average running distance is 13k (Just done research on google them on distances posted by the teams), the same for intercounty game is averge 13k but intercounty is done in less time...
AFL is an incredibly physical game - Obv it is im not doubting that but so is Gaa, McKenna will be likened to Caolan Mooney, same build and speed! Some say Mooney didn't make but he played 2 season with Collingwood who where one of the top teams in the AFL

The average county player runs around 9.5km-10km per game if I remember correctly. We did a study on this last year. There are of course some who will run more. The average AFL was upwards of 14km per game with some covering 18-20km per game. They're different games so can't compare like for like. AFL is a professional game and they've some of the best sports science people over there. 
I'd say McKenna would much rather play Gaelic football. I played for a season and a half in Perth about 8 years ago and couldn't believe how boring the game is at times, catch, kick and tackle. Side stepping and dummies lead you to near getting your head taken off as I found out. I'm biased but I think gaelic is a much superior game in terms skills and excitement.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 14, 2020, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 14, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 14, 2020, 04:23:48 PM
What's the story with Conal Grimes - no sign of him lately on any team sheets

He was No. 19 against Kerry?
Should've been on, would've made more of a mark on the game than what was in defense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TimmyTrumpet on February 14, 2020, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 14, 2020, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 14, 2020, 04:23:48 PM
What's the story with Conal Grimes - no sign of him lately on any team sheets

Probably undergoing a silent ban for some of his exploits last season.

The trumpet knows of no exploits. Watch that slander!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on February 14, 2020, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
What a load of shite. AFL is an incredibly physical game, Gaelic football doesn't compare in that regard. Completely different game and different fitness required. Gaa would be quicker and more twisting and turning. AFL games regularly last over 100 mins and the ground is massive. It's a much more lung busting run type sport. They cover crazy kilometres throughout games. The skills levels would be much higher in GAA as well. I could see McKenna playing CHB or somewhere like that now. Even midfield as he will be extremely fit and used to getting up and down the ground.

AFL players average running distance is 13k (Just done research on google them on distances posted by the teams), the same for intercounty game is averge 13k but intercounty is done in less time...
AFL is an incredibly physical game - Obv it is im not doubting that but so is Gaa, McKenna will be likened to Caolan Mooney, same build and speed! Some say Mooney didn't make but he played 2 season with Collingwood who where one of the top teams in the AFL

The average county player runs around 9.5km-10km per game if I remember correctly. We did a study on this last year. There are of course some who will run more. The average AFL was upwards of 14km per game with some covering 18-20km per game. They're different games so can't compare like for like. AFL is a professional game and they've some of the best sports science people over there. 
I'd say McKenna would much rather play Gaelic football. I played for a season and a half in Perth about 8 years ago and couldn't believe how boring the game is at times, catch, kick and tackle. Side stepping and dummies lead you to near getting your head taken off as I found out. I'm biased but I think gaelic is a much superior game in terms skills and excitement.

Watched a bit of Essendon highlights to see how McKenna did. Came to the opinion AFL is a horrendous game. An absolute dearth of talent. Were it not for the mark it'd just be a game of royal shrovetide football. It was really telling from McKenna's contributions he was trying to play gaelic football; accurate passing, low trajectory passes, taking on players, selling dummies etc. He stood out a mile in the melee of men running around dragging each other to the ground and thumping the ball as far as you can. Not that it done him any favours, AFL is a game designed to advocate fitness and strength over talent and finesse.

There was a passage of play where McKenna bounced the ball twice on the run and the commentators were in awe of it. f**king imagine had they seen him solo it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: trileacman on February 14, 2020, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 14, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
What a load of shite. AFL is an incredibly physical game, Gaelic football doesn't compare in that regard. Completely different game and different fitness required. Gaa would be quicker and more twisting and turning. AFL games regularly last over 100 mins and the ground is massive. It's a much more lung busting run type sport. They cover crazy kilometres throughout games. The skills levels would be much higher in GAA as well. I could see McKenna playing CHB or somewhere like that now. Even midfield as he will be extremely fit and used to getting up and down the ground.

AFL players average running distance is 13k (Just done research on google them on distances posted by the teams), the same for intercounty game is averge 13k but intercounty is done in less time...
AFL is an incredibly physical game - Obv it is im not doubting that but so is Gaa, McKenna will be likened to Caolan Mooney, same build and speed! Some say Mooney didn't make but he played 2 season with Collingwood who where one of the top teams in the AFL

The average county player runs around 9.5km-10km per game if I remember correctly. We did a study on this last year. There are of course some who will run more. The average AFL was upwards of 14km per game with some covering 18-20km per game. They're different games so can't compare like for like. AFL is a professional game and they've some of the best sports science people over there. 
I'd say McKenna would much rather play Gaelic football. I played for a season and a half in Perth about 8 years ago and couldn't believe how boring the game is at times, catch, kick and tackle. Side stepping and dummies lead you to near getting your head taken off as I found out. I'm biased but I think gaelic is a much superior game in terms skills and excitement.

Watched a bit of Essendon highlights to see how McKenna did. Came to the opinion AFL is a horrendous game. An absolute dearth of talent. Were it not for the mark it'd just be a game of royal shrovetide football. It was really telling from McKenna's contributions he was trying to play gaelic football; accurate passing, low trajectory passes, taking on players, selling dummies etc. He stood out a mile in the melee of men running around dragging each other to the ground and thumping the ball as far as you can. Not that it done him any favours, AFL is a game designed to advocate fitness and strength over talent and finesse.

There was a passage of play where McKenna bounced the ball twice on the run and the commentators were in awe of it. f**king imagine had they seen him solo it.

I wouldn't have a huge interest in. It's played at a helter skelter place but doesn't have much method to it from my eyes. I think guys like Fenton or Clifford would have struggled as they are quite languid and the style wouldn't have suited them.

What jumps out at you about McKenna is his pace in those clips, these are pro lads in a game that is honed around pace and power and he is burning a lot of these guys. He has some engine on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JimStynes on February 14, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
AFL wasn't about pace and it's only the last number of years that pace has started to play a major part. If you remember the old international rules teams they sent over were full of slow big tall players and the Gaelic teams literally run rings around them until the Aussies resorted to dirt. In fact AFL is moving more towards Gaelic football style running and playing on rather than take a mark, Gaelic is now moving more towards and Aussie rules style game ffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 16, 2020, 07:22:30 AM
Heard a few removed for discipline reasons a couple of weeks ago
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 17, 2020, 07:40:40 AM
Video of mcshane rowing in cookstown going around. Seems to have been jumped by someone else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Fall out with Paul Dook when on their training weekend. Generally seems to have a bad attitude
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Fall out with Paul Dook when on their training weekend. Generally seems to have a bad attitude

He apparently forgot where the toilet was.......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Fall out with Paul Dook when on their training weekend. Generally seems to have a bad attitude

He apparently forgot where the toilet was.......
Fair play to Paul, Conroy was a main player on that team and he went to school in Armagh and would love to be playing against them. A lot of managers let players away with too much and this is how egos are built.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Fall out with Paul Dook when on their training weekend. Generally seems to have a bad attitude

He apparently forgot where the toilet was.......
Fair play to Paul, Conroy was a main player on that team and he went to school in Armagh and would love to be playing against them. A lot of managers let players away with too much and this is how egos are built.

Yeah proper order, I think a few more cud have went aswel only they wudnt have had much of a panel left, wrecked the hotel they where in, every player had to pay a fine to cover the damage then!
Discipline was done a few years ago aswel when Morris from Galbally and I think someone from Dromore aswel where kicked off it, they went on to win All Ireland that year then
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Fall out with Paul Dook when on their training weekend. Generally seems to have a bad attitude

He apparently forgot where the toilet was.......
Fair play to Paul, Conroy was a main player on that team and he went to school in Armagh and would love to be playing against them. A lot of managers let players away with too much and this is how egos are built.

Yeah proper order, I think a few more cud have went aswel only they wudnt have had much of a panel left, wrecked the hotel they where in, every player had to pay a fine to cover the damage then!
Discipline was done a few years ago aswel when Morris from Galbally and I think someone from Dromore aswel where kicked off it, they went on to win All Ireland that year then
Think that was Sludden from Dromore. Don't get this idea of wrecking places when you are away with a team, why has that become a thing.. Even last year, the U20s were bouncing on top of some poor young girls car. Devlin has probably had enough at this stage.. Story I heard on Conroy was he was asked by Paul to stop smoking and continued to do so.. Could be wrong but was a pretty reliable source.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 17, 2020, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2020, 07:40:40 AM
Video of mcshane rowing in cookstown going around. Seems to have been jumped by someone else.

First pretend work night out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 17, 2020, 12:34:48 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Fall out with Paul Dook when on their training weekend. Generally seems to have a bad attitude

He apparently forgot where the toilet was.......
Fair play to Paul, Conroy was a main player on that team and he went to school in Armagh and would love to be playing against them. A lot of managers let players away with too much and this is how egos are built.

Yeah proper order, I think a few more cud have went aswel only they wudnt have had much of a panel left, wrecked the hotel they where in, every player had to pay a fine to cover the damage then!
Discipline was done a few years ago aswel when Morris from Galbally and I think someone from Dromore aswel where kicked off it, they went on to win All Ireland that year then
Think that was Sludden from Dromore. Don't get this idea of wrecking places when you are away with a team, why has that become a thing.. Even last year, the U20s were bouncing on top of some poor young girls car. Devlin has probably had enough at this stage.. Story I heard on Conroy was he was asked by Paul to stop smoking and continued to do so.. Could be wrong but was a pretty reliable source.

Is any of this true? Last I heard he underwent an operation on his shoulder and would be out for a year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 17, 2020, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2020, 07:40:40 AM
Video of mcshane rowing in cookstown going around. Seems to have been jumped by someone else.

Just saw the video - getting jumped a bit of a stretch. Looks like he has went over to a lad and said something and the lad strikes a couple of blows. Looks like they may have had words already and McShane has followed him and then the lad has lashed out after whatever was said. Fr Rocks player I believe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 17, 2020, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2020, 07:40:40 AM
Video of mcshane rowing in cookstown going around. Seems to have been jumped by someone else.
he making a habit of it. Headbutted a fella in Monaghan town that plays for clontibret before Christmas. Frank burns done alot of boxin the same night!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 02:18:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 17, 2020, 12:34:48 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Fall out with Paul Dook when on their training weekend. Generally seems to have a bad attitude

He apparently forgot where the toilet was.......
Fair play to Paul, Conroy was a main player on that team and he went to school in Armagh and would love to be playing against them. A lot of managers let players away with too much and this is how egos are built.

Yeah proper order, I think a few more cud have went aswel only they wudnt have had much of a panel left, wrecked the hotel they where in, every player had to pay a fine to cover the damage then!
Discipline was done a few years ago aswel when Morris from Galbally and I think someone from Dromore aswel where kicked off it, they went on to win All Ireland that year then
Think that was Sludden from Dromore. Don't get this idea of wrecking places when you are away with a team, why has that become a thing.. Even last year, the U20s were bouncing on top of some poor young girls car. Devlin has probably had enough at this stage.. Story I heard on Conroy was he was asked by Paul to stop smoking and continued to do so.. Could be wrong but was a pretty reliable source.

Is any of this true? Last I heard he underwent an operation on his shoulder and would be out for a year.

Players don't get kicked off for being injured...
I believe Kevin Cassidy from Gweedore cud say a lot about the toilet incident which took place in his bar
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Million on February 17, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 17, 2020, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2020, 07:40:40 AM
Video of mcshane rowing in cookstown going around. Seems to have been jumped by someone else.
he making a habit of it. Headbutted a fella in Monaghan town that plays for clontibret before Christmas. Frank burns done alot of boxin the same night!

Cathal will be on the receiving end of a lot of slagging from players and fans jealous of his reported 'deal to stay' which inevitably will lead to issues when drink is involved in public places.

With the package, comes a different profile and how he and the Tyrone management manage that over the coming years will be interesting, as of course it does not sit well with many followers and aspiring squad members. It goes without saying he will get some extra attention on the club field when he takes to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 17, 2020, 02:28:01 PM
Quote from: Million on February 17, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 17, 2020, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2020, 07:40:40 AM
Video of mcshane rowing in cookstown going around. Seems to have been jumped by someone else.
he making a habit of it. Headbutted a fella in Monaghan town that plays for clontibret before Christmas. Frank burns done alot of boxin the same night!

Cathal will be on the receiving end of a lot of slagging from players and fans jealous of his reported 'deal to stay' which inevitably will lead to issues when drink is involved in public places.

With the package, comes a different profile and how he and the Tyrone management manage that over the coming years will be interesting, as of course it does not sit well with many followers and aspiring squad members. It goes without saying he will get some extra attention on the club field when he takes to it.

Will there be a code of conduct clause in his Club Tyrone contract - thinking something along the lines of the Irish Rugby contracts??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 02:18:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 17, 2020, 12:34:48 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 17, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 17, 2020, 08:13:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on February 15, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 14, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 14, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
what way are the u20s going ATM? Be heavily fancied tomorrow?

1. Lorcan Quinn
2. Cormac Quinn
3. Cormac Munroe
4. Ryan Jones
5. Michael Gallagher
6. Antoin Fox
7. James McCann
8. Kevin Barker
9. Joe Oguz
10. Liam Gray
11. Darragh Canavan
12. Neil Kilpatrick
13. Ethan Jordan
14. Mattie Murnaghan
15. Tiarnan Quinn

7 or 8 from last year there on my count - expected to beat Armagh (4/7 with bookies) but still bad forecast for tomorrow and Armagh will be ready for a crack at them. Don't think they took that league too seriously - got beat by Louth during it.
What is the story with Michael Conroy? injured?

I heard he was removed from the panel...Not sure if true or not though...
Fall out with Paul Dook when on their training weekend. Generally seems to have a bad attitude

He apparently forgot where the toilet was.......
Fair play to Paul, Conroy was a main player on that team and he went to school in Armagh and would love to be playing against them. A lot of managers let players away with too much and this is how egos are built.

Yeah proper order, I think a few more cud have went aswel only they wudnt have had much of a panel left, wrecked the hotel they where in, every player had to pay a fine to cover the damage then!
Discipline was done a few years ago aswel when Morris from Galbally and I think someone from Dromore aswel where kicked off it, they went on to win All Ireland that year then
Think that was Sludden from Dromore. Don't get this idea of wrecking places when you are away with a team, why has that become a thing.. Even last year, the U20s were bouncing on top of some poor young girls car. Devlin has probably had enough at this stage.. Story I heard on Conroy was he was asked by Paul to stop smoking and continued to do so.. Could be wrong but was a pretty reliable source.

Is any of this true? Last I heard he underwent an operation on his shoulder and would be out for a year.

Players don't get kicked off for being injured...
I believe Kevin Cassidy from Gweedore cud say a lot about the toilet incident which took place in his bar
Just enquired about the toilet situation, dorty bastids, all of them involved should be booted off for that. Cant take them anywhere these days.. Surprised this hasn't been posted on facebook by one of the clowns for all of Ireland to call us tramps
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 17, 2020, 05:08:48 PM
I haven't heard the story but I'm guessing it involved a sink, ...or a handdryer? Am i close? Was something left where it shouldn't have been left?

Cassidy should get DNA tests done on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on February 17, 2020, 05:38:12 PM
You boys are worse than women with your gossiping. The lads did wrong but do they need it plastered over an Internet forum. They're young and young cubs do stupid things. They've the price to pay if they've been removed from the squad. Let it be done there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 17, 2020, 05:38:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 17, 2020, 05:08:48 PM
I haven't heard the story but I'm guessing it involved a sink, ...or a handdryer? Am i close? Was something left where it shouldn't have been left?

Cassidy should get DNA tests done on it.
heard Cassidy took one smell of it and knew straight away it was Tyrone shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 18, 2020, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: TF15 on February 17, 2020, 05:38:12 PM
You boys are worse than women with your gossiping. The lads did wrong but do they need it plastered over an Internet forum. They're young and young cubs do stupid things. They've the price to pay if they've been removed from the squad. Let it be done there.
Not good enough, they get away with too much because they are good at kicking ball. The story i heard from a well informed source was there seemed to have been no cubicle free and a sink was resorted to. They aren't that young, when you think about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 18, 2020, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 18, 2020, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: TF15 on February 17, 2020, 05:38:12 PM
You boys are worse than women with your gossiping. The lads did wrong but do they need it plastered over an Internet forum. They're young and young cubs do stupid things. They've the price to pay if they've been removed from the squad. Let it be done there.
Not good enough, they get away with too much because they are good at kicking ball. The story i heard from a well informed source was there seemed to have been no cubicle free and a sink was resorted to. They aren't that young, when you think about it.

This talk of them being young. They are senior footballers in their 20s.

I'm assuming it was a West tyronie aye?  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 18, 2020, 01:30:08 PM
i dont see why fellow tyrone players be jelous of mcshane as id say all of them have cushy jobs themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on February 18, 2020, 05:58:02 PM
laddish house party culture in the gaa players should be banned for life or very long time no room for that sort of nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 18, 2020, 06:51:48 PM
No bricklayers or plasterers in the squad.Big change from days past.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 18, 2020, 07:22:54 PM
Heard a story about a group of Tyrone Under 20's behaviour in Belfast last week...far from impressive....4/5 days before they were supposed to be playing Armagh into the bargain....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 19, 2020, 08:02:14 AM
Read an article with Kieran Donaghy calling on the GAA to shut down fan forums. Spending a few minutes reading the comments on here makes it hard to disagree with him. Gossip mongers and trolls doing their best to spread rumours about their OWN players. This thread used to be a good place to discuss the county team, not spread innuendo like a scummy English tabloid. It's just become utter toxic waste.

https://www.the42.ie/kieran-donaghy-online-trolls-gaa-5012310-Feb2020/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 19, 2020, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2020, 08:02:14 AM
Read an article with Kieran Donaghy calling on the GAA to shut down fan forums. Spending a few minutes reading the comments on here makes it hard to disagree with him. Gossip mongers and trolls doing their best to spread rumours about their OWN players. This thread used to be a good place to discuss the county team, not spread innuendo like a scummy English tabloid. It's just become utter toxic waste.

https://www.the42.ie/kieran-donaghy-online-trolls-gaa-5012310-Feb2020/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Think that's a wider discussion in general. Online forums and social media should have more control and accountability. Users should only be able to register by uploading their passport or official ID, a work email that matches their name and a mobile number that gets a verification code sent to it when first registering. User Names shouldn't be anonymous and just have the persons real name. That way if someone wants to post abuse or criticism at least they are doing it under their own name and can be held accountable or challenged on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Million on February 19, 2020, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2020, 08:02:14 AM
Read an article with Kieran Donaghy calling on the GAA to shut down fan forums. Spending a few minutes reading the comments on here makes it hard to disagree with him. Gossip mongers and trolls doing their best to spread rumours about their OWN players. This thread used to be a good place to discuss the county team, not spread innuendo like a scummy English tabloid. It's just become utter toxic waste.

https://www.the42.ie/kieran-donaghy-online-trolls-gaa-5012310-Feb2020/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

And you're still on here complaining about forum trolls. A little hypocritical ...

My ten pence - with What's App, Snapchat, Instagram, and other available media platforms, GAA forums are normally the last places to publish said rumours. World. We. Live. In.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 19, 2020, 11:10:12 AM
Shut down the forums? Wise up. What next, state media from the likes of teamtalkmag telling us how wonderful everything in Tyrone is? I'm sure if anyone is crossing lines on here they are being removed by the mods.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 19, 2020, 12:55:56 PM
Personally I don't think anyone here has crossed a line. If someone shites in a sink they deserve all they get. When they do it in a Tyrone capacity people here have every right to he annoyed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 19, 2020, 02:59:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2020, 12:55:56 PM
Personally I don't think anyone here has crossed a line. If someone shites in a sink they deserve all they get. When they do it in a Tyrone capacity people here have every right to he annoyed.
Its all shits and giggles to someone giggles and shits. Kieran Donaghy may catch himself on. Away back to basketball
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 19, 2020, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2020, 12:55:56 PM
Personally I don't think anyone here has crossed a line. If someone shites in a sink they deserve all they get. When they do it in a Tyrone capacity people here have every right to he annoyed.

Whether it's appropriate to say (if true) is another thing but the problem on here is a lot of it is based on rumour and may not even be true. And given users are anonymous this forum can be used to spread stuff about someone you have a grudge against.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 19, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
I was on this forum years ago and left because some of the chat was unreal - personal life of players being talked about with absolutely no foundation.
Every one has an opinion but it can get very personal very quickly - I'd wonder how many people on here have played at county level...Im guessing none?
How many on here have managed teams at a successful level - winning minor, u20/21, senior league titles, champions ships etc...? not many.
It can be like drunks in a country pub...chatting shyte flat out and then waking up the next day and going at it again.
Players operate in a different arena of the field from my day....thank god there were no social media channels, cameras, phones etc...
For what its worth I think all players need media training and some might benefit from 'off field coaching on gig ti deal with non-football activities...i dont see them as role models in the same way I dont see anyone opinion on here anything but an opinion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 19, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
Stan wise words.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on February 20, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
Agree with Stan, had written something similar and deleted it as I thought, wtf the point. 

Players need media trained as there will always be trolls online, there is no escaping them be it on a forum or facebook/twitter.  At the end of the day, its someone's opinion, and why should you care what someone thinks of you, your never going change their minds. 

Personal stuff like McShane getting that job etc, I think it validates discussion, but people can lose the run of themselves giving "facts" on what he gets paid etc.  Again it's a person posting anonymously on a forum, should always be taken with a pinch of salt. 

Personal stuff like McShane getting a box at the weekend because of x y z is uncalled for, as that is all speculation and again, people can lose the run of it. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 20, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Snowflakes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 20, 2020, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on February 20, 2020, 03:11:46 PM
Quote from: Stan on February 19, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
I was on this forum years ago and left because some of the chat was unreal - personal life of players being talked about with absolutely no foundation.
Every one has an opinion but it can get very personal very quickly - I'd wonder how many people on here have played at county level...Im guessing none?
How many on here have managed teams at a successful level - winning minor, u20/21, senior league titles, champions ships etc...? not many.
It can be like drunks in a country pub...chatting shyte flat out and then waking up the next day and going at it again.
Players operate in a different arena of the field from my day....thank god there were no social media channels, cameras, phones etc...
For what its worth I think all players need media training and some might benefit from 'off field coaching on gig ti deal with non-football activities...i dont see them as role models in the same way I dont see anyone opinion on here anything but an opinion

****registered 6th February 2020.
This is a slow month, but not that slow.  The question is how many accounts do you have?
what your selling, im not buying.

1 account - last on 2013 approx... And you're in luck - I'm not selling anything. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 20, 2020, 07:42:53 PM
1 account - last on 2013 approx... And you're in luck - I'm not selling anything. Just my opinion.

Must of taken you a week to read all the pages you missed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Million on February 21, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
Any confirmed panel/ team news for Sunday?

What are the predictions?

A draw at 9/1 worth £5 of the queen's finest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 21, 2020, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: Million on February 21, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
Any confirmed panel/ team news for Sunday?

What are the predictions?

A draw at 9/1 worth £5 of the queen's finest.

I've seen nothing of Galway this year and the conditions of the pitch and on the day will have a big influence obviously - would hope for a win, but a draw sounds plausible.

Without any mention of the queen obviously
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 22, 2020, 08:49:59 PM
Anyone at the u20 game, cheers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 22, 2020, 09:02:54 PM
Wasn't at it but listened on Armagh TV. The conditions appeared to be a significant leveller with Tyrone pulling away in extra time. The red card before half time was another sucker punch. According to commentator it may have been for verbals to a linesman.

Antrim next which should be straight forward, was at the game with them last month and we were much superior even through we were missing a lot of big men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 22, 2020, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 22, 2020, 08:49:59 PM
Anyone at the u20 game, cheers

Sounds like Tiarnan Quinn dragged them out of a hole.

Potentially a bigger talent than Canavan?

Will probably need a couple of years to get up to the physicality of senior county football anyway.

Very few lads get thrown in at 19/20 for the big counties anymore, I think it's generally about 22 or 23 when most players are properly ready in the physical sense for intercounty football anymore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on February 22, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
Was at it. Extremely interesting referring performance. Didn't give a free until he was absolutely sure it was. Allowed scrums to go on for ages without any decision. Thought it was interesting in the aftermath of Clifford. He seemed more into verbals.

On the field, the Coalisland lad really stood out. They played Liam Gray at FF and it never came off. Canavan came on for him at HT and won most balls that came his way.

It was fairly clear that Tyrone would win if it went to extra time. They were the better side with only 14 in the second half. Nothing to shout about though. Plenty of half backs and wannabe half backs.

Tyrone's goal was a fluke though. Was hit long into Canavan but flew over keeper.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on February 22, 2020, 11:51:33 PM
I was at it. Never been as angry when they threw it away in normal time. Another 20 mins freezing my nuts off.

My own take. Sending off was after 4 mins not just before the half. Very scrappy 1st half thought murnaghan was stand out. 2nd hakf canavan straight away made difference as had 2 boys hanging off him therefore levelling the numbers. So exciting when he gets the ball. Quinn was very good in 2nd half and extra time.

Fox was also very good throughout. We looked dominant when back to 15 v 15 in Et and tough conditions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 23, 2020, 07:45:54 AM
Is tiarnan Quinn the lad that that came on for coalisland in county final 2 years ago and kicked 2 outstanding points?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 08:21:37 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 23, 2020, 07:45:54 AM
Is tiarnan Quinn the lad that that came on for coalisland in county final 2 years ago and kicked 2 outstanding points?

That's him, fantastic left peg on him.

Proportionately Tyrone seem to produce a huge amount of left footed forwards. In the senior ranks we have had the likes of McCurry, Bradley, Brennan, Coney and Harte in recent years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 23, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 08:21:37 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 23, 2020, 07:45:54 AM
Is tiarnan Quinn the lad that that came on for coalisland in county final 2 years ago and kicked 2 outstanding points?

That's him, fantastic left peg on him.

Proportionately Tyrone seem to produce a huge amount of left footed forwards. In the senior ranks we have had the likes of McCurry, Bradley, Brennan, Coney and Harte in recent years.
good prospect then. Can't beat a left footer, easily worth 3 or 4 right footers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 23, 2020, 10:44:30 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 22, 2020, 11:51:33 PM
I was at it. Never been as angry when they threw it away in normal time. Another 20 mins freezing my nuts off.

My own take. Sending off was after 4 mins not just before the half. Very scrappy 1st half thought murnaghan was stand out. 2nd hakf canavan straight away made difference as had 2 boys hanging off him therefore levelling the numbers. So exciting when he gets the ball. Quinn was very good in 2nd half and extra time.

Fox was also very good throughout. We looked dominant when back to 15 v 15 in Et and tough conditions

Eh? Sending off was literally a couple of mins before half time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 23, 2020, 11:10:36 AM
I'd agree with Oneill - very strange refereeing. I'm sure for both teams. Tyrone were poor up front until canavan gave them purpose. Just got over the line. But need a better forward plan. Thought the half backs were superb.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 23, 2020, 03:57:35 PM
Didn't get to see or hear any of it but wasn't expecting that result at all - What was the story with Cathal McShane - I hope the lad is ok?
Were we as bad or they as good as the result suggests?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 23, 2020, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: Stan on February 23, 2020, 03:57:35 PM
Didn't get to see or hear any of it but wasn't expecting that result at all - What was the story with Cathal McShane - I hope the lad is ok?
Were we as bad or they as good as the result suggests?

Tyrone were awful today. Couldn't string passes together. Frank burns looked determined to get sent off today. Said t at the start of the year this will be a very short season for tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 23, 2020, 04:09:57 PM
Terrible showing. Too many men just not doing the basics well enough.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 23, 2020, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 23, 2020, 04:09:57 PM
Terrible showing. Too many men just not doing the basics well enough.

Any word on McShane - saw on twitter that his replacement was Bradley? Sounds like we didn't have a plan A never mind Plan B?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on February 23, 2020, 04:32:26 PM
Harte's worst ever defeat as manager is it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 23, 2020, 04:32:38 PM
Harte also confirmed before the game that Conor McKenna is intending on going back to Australia. I'd say after watching that he'll be back there as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on February 23, 2020, 04:52:23 PM
Shocking stuff. Galway have looking good this league  but a defeat like that is completely unacceptable for Tyrone no matter who the opposition
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on February 23, 2020, 05:08:46 PM
Tyrone missed far too many chances early on - the Cavanagh goal chance and must have hit 4 or 5 off the post.. stat came up around the 30min mark, Galway 9/12 scores, Tyrone 4/13, summed it up. Tyrone gave the ball away so cheaply at times whereas Galway didn't.
First red card very harsh, rarely see them given.
McShane injury is an awful blow if as bad as it looks.
Was actually only 3 points in it 0-14 to 0-11 with about 20 minutes left.. Galway got the penalty (was Rafferty marking Comer - strange every attack - Tyrone had threw in the towel (not a good sign) and kept giving away dreadful passes in attack any time we did have it.
Hard to single out bad performances there but Peter Harte's body language was terrible, looked like he didn't want to know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 23, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.

You can add Colm Cavanagh to that list too. He has went on a year too far IMO.

Kennedy was poor as well not sure how he wasn't hooked at half time as well. I'm not too sure what he offers?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 23, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.

You can add Colm Cavanagh to that list too. He has went on a year too far IMO.

Kennedy was poor as well not sure how he wasn't hooked at half time as well. I'm not too sure what he offers?

Agreed on Cavanagh but I actually think he still offers us something even with his legs gone but McCann was just woeful today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on February 23, 2020, 05:49:05 PM
Just seen a photo of mcshane ankle. It's pointing in a direction it shouldn't be. Very unfortunate for him but he is almost certain to miss the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 23, 2020, 05:49:05 PM
Just seen a photo of mcshane ankle. It's pointing in a direction it shouldn't be. Very unfortunate for him but he is almost certain to miss the rest of the year.

Yeah, it looks like a dislocation. McAliskey had something similar with Clonoe a few years back. You'd generally be looking at 4-5 months for that best case scenario and I can't see him getting up to the pitch of Championship football by then but who knows these days. I think the important thing is Cathal doesn't try and rush it and just concentrates on getting it right again.

I'd say he will probably be back in time for the Roes come Championship but can't really see him taking any part for Tyrone this summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on February 23, 2020, 06:32:17 PM
A week is a long time in the GAA!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 23, 2020, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on February 23, 2020, 04:32:26 PM
Harte's worst ever defeat as manager is it?

Yes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on February 23, 2020, 07:46:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.

I agree this was utterly embarrassing sludden and harte were dreadful and have been for quite some time. Burns and mc geary looked like they rather be in pomeroy. Too wet and mucky for poor tiarnan, Rafferty on comer worst tactical match up ever, Kennedy, petsy would of offered more today I could continue. Thankfully they be dumped out early and a good club season might happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on February 23, 2020, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 23, 2020, 05:08:46 PM
Tyrone missed far too many chances early on - the Cavanagh goal chance and must have hit 4 or 5 off the post.. stat came up around the 30min mark, Galway 9/12 scores, Tyrone 4/13, summed it up. Tyrone gave the ball away so cheaply at times whereas Galway didn't.
First red card very harsh, rarely see them given.
McShane injury is an awful blow if as bad as it looks.
Was actually only 3 points in it 0-14 to 0-11 with about 20 minutes left.. Galway got the penalty (was Rafferty marking Comer - strange every attack - Tyrone had threw in the towel (not a good sign) and kept giving away dreadful passes in attack any time we did have it.
Hard to single out bad performances there but Peter Harte's body language was terrible, looked like he didn't want to know

He is the prime example of the many players who need a new man at the helm.  Familiarity breeds contempt and I think he and others would benefit from being forced out of their comfort zone that comes with uncle Micky being there forever
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 23, 2020, 09:02:19 PM
Cruel twist of fate for Mc Shane, speedy recovery to the lad. 2 huge last games against Donegal and mayo who look to be in the relegation zone. Less said about today the better. One thing really bugs me though, in a game we were chasing we made 5 substitutions, only one of the lads that came on was a forward. Negative mindset still persists.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 23, 2020, 09:02:19 PM
Cruel twist of fate for Mc Shane, speedy recovery to the lad. 2 huge last games against Donegal and mayo who look to be in the relegation zone. Less said about today the better. One thing really bugs me though, in a game we were chasing we made 5 substitutions, only one of the lads that came on was a forward. Negative mindset still persists.

To be fair we were a man down.

I'd like to have seen Coney come on but I'd be more worried about the options on the bench, seemed to be loaded with defenders. Kerr got 40 minutes last week against Kerry where we struggled to play any ball into him against a gale force wind and then gets dropped from the match day squad today.

We're lost without McShane now, he gives a target there and our attack some identity. There would be big questions over Mattie Donnelly's involvement this year too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on February 24, 2020, 09:31:00 AM
Numerous missed goal chances in the first half, poor discipline, poor execution of the basics, a harsh sending off, McShane getting injured  and a total collapse after the penalty, which came after there was just 3 in it.

A strange, strange game where everything that could go wrong, did go wrong for Tyrone (and vice-versa for Galway)

you have to winder if a new voice is necessary as everything seems a little stale

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 24, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
Not a lot has been made of it, but that field wasn't really in any way decent shape to play football.

Edendork managed to get themselves sorted in a storm at the time, yes the pitch was a mess but at least they had the grass cut. Galway have no excuses for that yesterday unless it was a ploy which you would imagine they had thought out

That of course doesn't in any way try and explain the loss yesterday. Disastrous. The only thing is, Tyrone have an instant chance to change things once more on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 24, 2020, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 24, 2020, 09:31:00 AM
Numerous missed goal chances in the first half, poor discipline, poor execution of the basics, a harsh sending off, McShane getting injured  and a total collapse after the penalty, which came after there was just 3 in it.

A strange, strange game where everything that could go wrong, did go wrong for Tyrone (and vice-versa for Galway)

you have to winder if a new voice is necessary as everything seems a little stale

It's hard to see anything other than a new voice at this stage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 24, 2020, 11:14:21 AM
Quote from: Stan on February 24, 2020, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 24, 2020, 09:31:00 AM
Numerous missed goal chances in the first half, poor discipline, poor execution of the basics, a harsh sending off, McShane getting injured  and a total collapse after the penalty, which came after there was just 3 in it.

A strange, strange game where everything that could go wrong, did go wrong for Tyrone (and vice-versa for Galway)

you have to winder if a new voice is necessary as everything seems a little stale

It's hard to see anything other than a new voice at this stage

Mickey isn't going to go mid season. I think he'll step away after the season is over. I hope for his sake that he can pull the team together after gaining McShane and losing him again so quickly. I would like to see Mickey bow out on a reasonably successful season (I still can't see past anyone but Dublin).

So discussions around a new voice, time for a change etc are better left for later in the year. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 24, 2020, 11:50:27 AM
We're making progress. We're moving forward. Harte must be rewarded with another 3 year contract.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 24, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Look all we can do is back Mickey and the boys, its more than likely going to be his final year and he deserves all the backing he can get and not slated all the time, after all he's done for the County I think he deserves it!
I personally don't think this will be a good season but there's nothing I can do about it and what's the point on giving out now at this stage, Mickey knows himself its not looking good and why I believe he will leave himself at the end of the season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on February 24, 2020, 12:07:51 PM
Tyrone to get the house in order come the summer, make the super 8s and an all-ireland semi but no further than that. I wouldnt be very surprised if harte was offered a year or two extension then, same as the last time he was supposed to leave.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 24, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
We looked ridiculously slow, all over the pitch. Even McNammee who has been our most consistent player over the years looks off the pace. Albeit, following one of the most on form forwards in the country at the minute but the way we are playing is not what would've been associated with Tyrone.

Reading above people saying Cavanagh is done and McCann isn't at the level. I agree, but who the f*ck do we have good enough to replace these boys.. Very dark day for Tyrone and Mickey and I think Ballybofey will be darker again after watching them on TV on Saturday night

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 24, 2020, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 24, 2020, 12:07:51 PM
Tyrone to get the house in order come the summer, make the super 8s and an all-ireland semi but no further than that. I wouldnt be very surprised if harte was offered a year or two extension then, same as the last time he was supposed to leave.
Surely, surely not
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on February 24, 2020, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 24, 2020, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 24, 2020, 12:07:51 PM
Tyrone to get the house in order come the summer, make the super 8s and an all-ireland semi but no further than that. I wouldnt be very surprised if harte was offered a year or two extension then, same as the last time he was supposed to leave.
Surely, surely not

Like everyone else i think a new man in charge has been needed for the last few years... but if they do well this year, there is always a chance he could stay on.

Tyrone county board unpredictable at the best of times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 24, 2020, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 24, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Look all we can do is back Mickey and the boys, its more than likely going to be his final year and he deserves all the backing he can get and not slated all the time, after all he's done for the County I think he deserves it!
I personally don't think this will be a good season but there's nothing I can do about it and what's the point on giving out now at this stage, Mickey knows himself its not looking good and why I believe he will leave himself at the end of the season

All he has done is turn us into the Rangers of the GAA hated far and wide. The man is an arsehole.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2020, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 24, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Look all we can do is back Mickey and the boys, its more than likely going to be his final year and he deserves all the backing he can get and not slated all the time, after all he's done for the County I think he deserves it!
I personally don't think this will be a good season but there's nothing I can do about it and what's the point on giving out now at this stage, Mickey knows himself its not looking good and why I believe he will leave himself at the end of the season

All he has done is turn us into the Rangers of the GAA hated far and wide. The man is an arsehole.

Would you call him an arsehole to his face? Or just on an Internet forum?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on February 24, 2020, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2020, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 24, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Look all we can do is back Mickey and the boys, its more than likely going to be his final year and he deserves all the backing he can get and not slated all the time, after all he's done for the County I think he deserves it!
I personally don't think this will be a good season but there's nothing I can do about it and what's the point on giving out now at this stage, Mickey knows himself its not looking good and why I believe he will leave himself at the end of the season

All he has done is turn us into the Rangers of the GAA hated far and wide. The man is an arsehole.

Would you call him an arsehole to his face? Or just on an Internet forum?

I would yeah.
Who are you his Da? Am I not allowed to criticise him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.


Don't think you have a clue to be honest, best player full back even though his marker scored 1-8 doesn't matter what from play or from frees cause you were definitely praising mccury last week even though he scored majority from frees.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 12:53:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2020, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2020, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 24, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Look all we can do is back Mickey and the boys, its more than likely going to be his final year and he deserves all the backing he can get and not slated all the time, after all he's done for the County I think he deserves it!
I personally don't think this will be a good season but there's nothing I can do about it and what's the point on giving out now at this stage, Mickey knows himself its not looking good and why I believe he will leave himself at the end of the season

All he has done is turn us into the Rangers of the GAA hated far and wide. The man is an arsehole.

Would you call him an arsehole to his face? Or just on an Internet forum?

I would yeah.
Who are you his Da? Am I not allowed to criticise him?

Of course you would  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.


Don't think you have a clue to be honest, best player full back even though his marker scored 1-8 doesn't matter what from play or from frees cause you were definitely praising mccury last week even though he scored majority from frees.

Walsh is the in form player in the country and he hit 1-5 of his 1-08 from dead balls. McNamee did a good job on him considering the circumstances.

With no respect for your opinions at all, I think it is you who hasn't a notion.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 24, 2020, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2020, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2020, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 24, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Look all we can do is back Mickey and the boys, its more than likely going to be his final year and he deserves all the backing he can get and not slated all the time, after all he's done for the County I think he deserves it!
I personally don't think this will be a good season but there's nothing I can do about it and what's the point on giving out now at this stage, Mickey knows himself its not looking good and why I believe he will leave himself at the end of the season

All he has done is turn us into the Rangers of the GAA hated far and wide. The man is an arsehole.

Would you call him an arsehole to his face? Or just on an Internet forum?

I would yeah.
Who are you his Da? Am I not allowed to criticise him?

Criticise him, yes.
Use words like asshole, absolutely not.
That comment is more of a reflection on you than Mickey Harte to be honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.


Don't think you have a clue to be honest, best player full back even though his marker scored 1-8 doesn't matter what from play or from frees cause you were definitely praising mccury last week even though he scored majority from frees.

Walsh is the in form player in the country and he hit 1-5 of his 1-08 from dead balls. McNamee did a good job on him considering the circumstances.

With no respect for your opinions at all, I think it is you who hasn't a notion.

Why did you fail to mention Peter Harte or Ben McDonnell then or do you just like to slate the people you dislike?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.


Don't think you have a clue to be honest, best player full back even though his marker scored 1-8 doesn't matter what from play or from frees cause you were definitely praising mccury last week even though he scored majority from frees.

Walsh is the in form player in the country and he hit 1-5 of his 1-08 from dead balls. McNamee did a good job on him considering the circumstances.

With no respect for your opinions at all, I think it is you who hasn't a notion.

Why did you fail to mention Peter Harte or Ben McDonnell then or do you just like to slate the people you dislike?

Who have I slated?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.


Don't think you have a clue to be honest, best player full back even though his marker scored 1-8 doesn't matter what from play or from frees cause you were definitely praising mccury last week even though he scored majority from frees.

Walsh is the in form player in the country and he hit 1-5 of his 1-08 from dead balls. McNamee did a good job on him considering the circumstances.

With no respect for your opinions at all, I think it is you who hasn't a notion.

Why did you fail to mention Peter Harte or Ben McDonnell then or do you just like to slate the people you dislike?

Who have I slated?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 01:10:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.


Don't think you have a clue to be honest, best player full back even though his marker scored 1-8 doesn't matter what from play or from frees cause you were definitely praising mccury last week even though he scored majority from frees.

Walsh is the in form player in the country and he hit 1-5 of his 1-08 from dead balls. McNamee did a good job on him considering the circumstances.

With no respect for your opinions at all, I think it is you who hasn't a notion.

Why did you fail to mention Peter Harte or Ben McDonnell then or do you just like to slate the people you dislike?

Who have I slated?

Do you disagree with that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 24, 2020, 02:00:57 PM
Was surprised to see Hampsey and McKernan sent on yesterday, at the time there wasn't that much in the game. Might put a few noses out of joint in the camp too considering they were supposed to be out long term.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 24, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.


Don't think you have a clue to be honest, best player full back even though his marker scored 1-8 doesn't matter what from play or from frees cause you were definitely praising mccury last week even though he scored majority from frees.

Walsh is the in form player in the country and he hit 1-5 of his 1-08 from dead balls. McNamee did a good job on him considering the circumstances.

With no respect for your opinions at all, I think it is you who hasn't a notion.
Don't know how I feel about this. Against Kerry I thought McNamee looked off the pace, and went the full forward roams I think hes uncomfortable. I gave him the benefit of the doubt as he was marking Clifford and that is a task and a half. However, yesterday I thought the same again (off the pace) and i'm saying to myself but he was marking Walsh. Although, every team is going to have a great full forward so where do we draw the line?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 24, 2020, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 24, 2020, 02:00:57 PM
Was surprised to see Hampsey and McKernan sent on yesterday, at the time there wasn't that much in the game. Might put a few noses out of joint in the camp too considering they were supposed to be out long term.
What other subs were used?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 24, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 12:54:56 PM
Quote from: Micky_mouse on February 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 23, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Bleak prospects now after what happened today.

Four red cards in four games so far, the first one was very harsh today but our discipline has let us down.

McNamee was probably our best player, battled away against pretty bleak prospects, McCurry showed up well too.

The numeric disadvantage means we can't read too much into things, we butchered a load of goals chances before the red card and probably would have been leading otherwise.

Tiernan McCann looks utterly done at this level for me, thought he was dire today and seems to have lost a lot of pace.

With McShane gone for the rest of the season and Donnelly having big question marks over his fitness, it looks like we have huge problems to address.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan return, Hampsey looked miles off it when he came in though.


Don't think you have a clue to be honest, best player full back even though his marker scored 1-8 doesn't matter what from play or from frees cause you were definitely praising mccury last week even though he scored majority from frees.

Walsh is the in form player in the country and he hit 1-5 of his 1-08 from dead balls. McNamee did a good job on him considering the circumstances.

With no respect for your opinions at all, I think it is you who hasn't a notion.
Don't know how I feel about this. Against Kerry I thought McNamee looked off the pace, and went the full forward roams I think hes uncomfortable. I gave him the benefit of the doubt as he was marking Clifford and that is a task and a half. However, yesterday I thought the same again (off the pace) and i'm saying to myself but he was marking Walsh. Although, every team is going to have a great full forward so where do we draw the line?

I thought McNamee won plenty of his duels with Walsh yesterday, he was probably our best player along with McCurry.

May not be saying much yesterday but that's certainly how I saw it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 24, 2020, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 24, 2020, 02:32:35 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 24, 2020, 02:00:57 PM
Was surprised to see Hampsey and McKernan sent on yesterday, at the time there wasn't that much in the game. Might put a few noses out of joint in the camp too considering they were supposed to be out long term.
What other subs were used?

Mark Bradley, McDonnell and Conall Grimes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 02:55:39 PM
Another thing I noted over the weekend, our movement from kick outs is almost non existent. TG4 showed a behind the goals camera several times on our kick outs and the movement from the players give Morgan no chance. Compared to Dublin and Donegal and also Monaghan the previous week it's night and day. Makes their goalkeepers life so much easier.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on February 24, 2020, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 02:55:39 PM
Another thing I noted over the weekend, our movement from kick outs is almost non existent. TG4 showed a behind the goals camera several times on our kick outs and the movement from the players give Morgan no chance. Compared to Dublin and Donegal and also Monaghan the previous week it's night and day. Makes their goalkeepers life so much easier.
Did you notice the analysis showing the Galway no 8 almost having the pitch to himself? Mid-field is poor not helped by the poor movement yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on February 24, 2020, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 24, 2020, 02:55:39 PM
Another thing I noted over the weekend, our movement from kick outs is almost non existent. TG4 showed a behind the goals camera several times on our kick outs and the movement from the players give Morgan no chance. Compared to Dublin and Donegal and also Monaghan the previous week it's night and day. Makes their goalkeepers life so much easier.
Did you notice the analysis showing the Galway no 8 almost having the pitch to himself? Mid-field is poor not helped by the poor movement yesterday.

Yeah I'd already commented previously that Cavanagh and Kennedy in particular were very poor yesterday. We've very few options in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 24, 2020, 05:49:50 PM
Its a good job wee played 13 men behind the ball...Imagine what the score would have been if we had off played 6 on 6.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on February 24, 2020, 06:09:35 PM
Seems only Dublin have reason to be happy with players and management.
Last three years Tyrone have got to the semis, the final and another semi.
How does that record compare with Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Galway, Monaghan, etc. - now all thought of as much better teams with better management?
Where does everyone think Tyrone rank in terms of players and in terms of management?
What is exactly that players are doing wrong and management doing wrong?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on February 24, 2020, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: MC on February 24, 2020, 06:09:35 PM
Seems only Dublin have reason to be happy with players and management.
Last three years Tyrone have got to the semis, the final and another semi.
How does that record compare with Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Galway, Monaghan, etc. - now all thought of as much better teams with better management?
Where does everyone think Tyrone rank in terms of players and in terms of management?
What is exactly that players are doing wrong and management doing wrong?

All these teams when realising they couldnt catch Dublin, at least tried something new by changing their manager, while Tyrone stick with the same voice with outdated methods
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on February 24, 2020, 07:06:14 PM
Maybe - but have any of them actually shown signs of improvement - marginal at best?
Have Tyrone shown any signs of improvement - marginal or more?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on February 24, 2020, 07:13:49 PM
Pitch condition - shocked at how long the grass was - but didn't seem to bother Galway!
Were the tactics the same as against Kerry - hold Galway to a low score against the wind and use wind advantage in second half - but we didn't seem to have the same defensive shape or intensity.
Control and passing were poor all over the pitch - gifting a few easy scores to Galway.
Lucky to survive a goal attempt in the first minute.
Having said that we missed quite a few chances ourselves - goals and points.
Kick outs were poor - don't have figures but we seemed to lose quite a few.
We seemed to have a collective off day but still came back to within 2 points with 14 men!
We tend to finish a lot of games stronger but that wasn't a possibility today!
Sendings off - probably both justified - and loss of Mc Shane had a huge impact.
Penalty tackle was a bit clumsy - Comer still had it all to do under a lot of pressure.
Galway had loads of time and space at the end to pick off easy points with absolutely no pressure.
Think Tyrone will be relieved if they can simply avoid relegation at this stage.
Mc Shane came from nowhere last year to be our go to forward - need someone else to do the same this year.
Still a lot of young players with another years experience and another years S&C.
A few players to come back in will make a difference - maybe not enough but they will make a difference.
Dryer, firmer pitches will also make a big difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 24, 2020, 07:52:14 PM
Are Coney and grugan injured? When Mc Shane went off either could have went to the edge of the square? We had mark Bradley then Mc Donnell in this role? Not gonna work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 24, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 24, 2020, 07:52:14 PM
Are Coney and grugan injured? When Mc Shane went off either could have went to the edge of the square? We had mark Bradley then Mc Donnell in this role? Not gonna work.

Coney was named on the bench yesterday.

It was said on here that Grugan and McLaughlin had dropped off the panel. Grugan really underwhelmed in his brief opportunities.

When is R Donnelly due back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on February 24, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Wheres M Cassidy? V hard done by



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2020, 11:32:06 PM
It's going to come down to the Mayo game isn't it. A final-day shoot-out in Castlebar to retain Div 1 status.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 25, 2020, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 24, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Wheres M Cassidy? V hard done by

Injured I think? Could be wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 25, 2020, 08:13:56 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 24, 2020, 07:52:14 PM
Are Coney and grugan injured? When Mc Shane went off either could have went to the edge of the square? We had mark Bradley then Mc Donnell in this role? Not gonna work.
Read on here a few weeks back that Grugan left the panel? That's 100% not to say that everything you read on here is true..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 25, 2020, 08:14:20 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 24, 2020, 07:52:14 PM
Are Coney and grugan injured? When Mc Shane went off either could have went to the edge of the square? We had mark Bradley then Mc Donnell in this role? Not gonna work.

Grugan and McLaughlin have left the panel, both played for Omagh in a friendly on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2020, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 24, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Wheres M Cassidy? V hard done by

Injured I think? Could be wrong.

Was named on the bench Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 09:20:15 AM
Is Michael O'Neill still on the panel? I thought he did well in the McKenna Cup and would have got more of a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 25, 2020, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2020, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 24, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Wheres M Cassidy? V hard done by

Injured I think? Could be wrong.

Was named on the bench Sunday.
Brian McGuigan tweeted on Sunday "Bad day for Tyrone mad worse by McShane and Cassidy going off injured"
Did he get on? Injured in the warm up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on February 25, 2020, 09:25:37 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 25, 2020, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2020, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 24, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Wheres M Cassidy? V hard done by

Injured I think? Could be wrong.

Was named on the bench Sunday.
Brian McGuigan tweeted on Sunday "Bad day for Tyrone mad worse by McShane and Cassidy going off injured"
Did he get on? Injured in the warm up?

Did he not include a picture of an Arsenal player suggesting that particular player looked like Michael Cassidy???  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 25, 2020, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 25, 2020, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2020, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 24, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Wheres M Cassidy? V hard done by

Injured I think? Could be wrong.

Was named on the bench Sunday.
Brian McGuigan tweeted on Sunday "Bad day for Tyrone mad worse by McShane and Cassidy going off injured"
Did he get on? Injured in the warm up?

Cassidy was there on Sunday. But I didn't see any injury or anything like that in warm up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on February 25, 2020, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on February 25, 2020, 09:25:37 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 25, 2020, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2020, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 24, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Wheres M Cassidy? V hard done by

Injured I think? Could be wrong.

Was named on the bench Sunday.
Brian McGuigan tweeted on Sunday "Bad day for Tyrone mad worse by McShane and Cassidy going off injured"
Did he get on? Injured in the warm up?

Did he not include a picture of an Arsenal player suggesting that particular player looked like Michael Cassidy???  ::) ::) ::)

yes, it was a tweet basically showing that Cassidy looks like Sead Kolasinac
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on February 25, 2020, 10:35:26 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 25, 2020, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 08:59:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2020, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 24, 2020, 10:10:41 PM
Wheres M Cassidy? V hard done by

Injured I think? Could be wrong.

Was named on the bench Sunday.
Brian McGuigan tweeted on Sunday "Bad day for Tyrone mad worse by McShane and Cassidy going off injured"
Did he get on? Injured in the warm up?
:-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 25, 2020, 11:43:54 AM
Whats the time frame on Richie Donnellys return? Could use him around the middle at present.
McKernan, Hampsey and Kilpatrick have to come in against Dublin, Cassidy as well.
With McShane gone again, is there any chance of Peter Harte pushing into the full forward line? Might get more from him in there.
I wont hold my breath but I Would like to see:
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee Rafferty
Cassidy Brennan McKernan
Kilpatrick Burns
Meyler Sludden McCurry
Bradley Harte McGeary(suspension lifted hopefully)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 25, 2020, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 25, 2020, 11:43:54 AM
Whats the time frame on Richie Donnellys return? Could use him around the middle at present.
McKernan, Hampsey and Kilpatrick have to come in against Dublin, Cassidy as well.
With McShane gone again, is there any chance of Peter Harte pushing into the full forward line? Might get more from him in there.
I wont hold my breath but I Would like to see:
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee Rafferty
Cassidy Brennan McKernan
Kilpatrick Burns
Meyler Sludden McCurry
Bradley Harte McGeary(suspension lifted hopefully)
That is one weak forward line if I have ever seen one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on February 25, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 25, 2020, 11:43:54 AM
Whats the time frame on Richie Donnellys return? Could use him around the middle at present.
McKernan, Hampsey and Kilpatrick have to come in against Dublin, Cassidy as well.
With McShane gone again, is there any chance of Peter Harte pushing into the full forward line? Might get more from him in there.
I wont hold my breath but I Would like to see:
Morgan
Hampsey McNammee Rafferty
Cassidy Brennan McKernan
Kilpatrick Burns
Meyler Sludden McCurry
Bradley Harte McGeary(suspension lifted hopefully)

i think mckernan will need a bit more time to get back up to the pace, no doubting his quality but just didnt look like himself in the galway game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 12:32:32 PM
I'd like to see Kerr given a proper chance against Dublin.

We tried Conall McCann at full forward line during the McKenna Cup but he hasn't made a match day squad in the league yet, did he get injured?

I'd like to see something along these lines:

1. Morgan
2. Brennan
3. McNamee
4. Rafferty
5. Cassidy
6. Hampsey
7. Burns
8. Cavanagh
9. Kilpatrick
10. Meyler
11. Sludden
12. McCurry
13. Coney
14. Harte
15. Kerr
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 25, 2020, 01:02:07 PM
I would stick with Kennedy at midfield for this weekend. Thought he did ok against Galway considering that was his first game back. The capitulation really only started after he was taken off. With Cavanagh already off at that stage we had nobody around the middle able to complete with Galways midfielders, Flynn in particular. I think McDonnell is a useful enough player and can do a job but he doesn't have the size to compete with the top midfielders. Con Kilpatrick probably falls into the same category at the moment although he is a far better ball player than McDonnell. So I think we need to persist with Kennedy going forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on February 25, 2020, 01:25:14 PM
Kilpatrick is on holiday at the minute, not sure if he's back for the weekend though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 25, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
What has happened Conor Quinn, he impressed earlier in the season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 25, 2020, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 25, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
What has happened Conor Quinn, he impressed earlier in the season
Good point, I never heard anything about him being put off the panel or anything. Hope he doesn't turn into another one of these boys who Harte has strung along
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 25, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
What has happened Conor Quinn, he impressed earlier in the season

Quinn is too light at the minute, just out of u20 so I'd say it could be a couple of years before he cements a spot down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 25, 2020, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 25, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
What has happened Conor Quinn, he impressed earlier in the season

Quinn is too light at the minute, just out of u20 so I'd say it could be a couple of years before he cements a spot down.

Not sure why he wasn't released back to the U20 squad along with Murnaghan and Canavan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on February 25, 2020, 03:02:01 PM
Cathal McShane's horrific ankle injury will keep him out of action for five months.

The talismanic 24-year-old Tyrone target man suffered a dislocated ankle when he fell awkwardly during the Red Hands' Division One defeat to Galway at Tuam Stadium on Sunday. He was stretchered from the field and had the ankle re-set and placed in a cast.

The cruel setback comes back just weeks after the All Star attacker confired that he was resisting overtures from AFL outfit Adelaide Crows to commit himself to Tyrone. McShane will now play no part in the remainder of the league and is also ruled out of the Red Hands' Ulster SFC or Qualifier campaigns this summer.

Mickey Harte's charges will have to advance to the Super 8s in his absence if we are to see their 2019 top scorer in action again this season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on February 25, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on February 25, 2020, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on February 25, 2020, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 25, 2020, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 25, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
What has happened Conor Quinn, he impressed earlier in the season

Quinn is too light at the minute, just out of u20 so I'd say it could be a couple of years before he cements a spot down.

Not sure why he wasn't released back to the U20 squad along with Murnaghan and Canavan.
Because he's overage?

Just realised that - thought he was part of the U17 team in 2017. My bad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on February 25, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
See McKenna looks to be going back to Oz. I think it shows how valued he is over there, if they are making so many allowances for him. Hopefully we see him in a Tyrone jersey again at some stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 26, 2020, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 25, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
See McKenna looks to be going back to Oz. I think it shows how valued he is over there, if they are making so many allowances for him. Hopefully we see him in a Tyrone jersey again at some stage.

I think the club would cater for any player if they where feeling homesick and wanted time off,every player is an asset to them so they need to keep them right to get value for the wages they pay, esp in the current world with all this talk of health and wellbeing etc
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 26, 2020, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 25, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
See McKenna looks to be going back to Oz. I think it shows how valued he is over there, if they are making so many allowances for him. Hopefully we see him in a Tyrone jersey again at some stage.

I think the club would cater for any player if they where feeling homesick and wanted time off,every player is an asset to them so they need to keep them right to get value for the wages they pay, esp in the current world with all this talk of health and wellbeing etc

You have a good chance of seeing him back in Tyrone colours but not for another few years, but by then what will he have left? Better concentrating on what we have and where we go from here, starting with Dublin on Saturday night. One week in Tyrone football seems like an eternity these days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 26, 2020, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 26, 2020, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 25, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
See McKenna looks to be going back to Oz. I think it shows how valued he is over there, if they are making so many allowances for him. Hopefully we see him in a Tyrone jersey again at some stage.

I think the club would cater for any player if they where feeling homesick and wanted time off,every player is an asset to them so they need to keep them right to get value for the wages they pay, esp in the current world with all this talk of health and wellbeing etc

You have a good chance of seeing him back in Tyrone colours but not for another few years, but by then what will he have left? Better concentrating on what we have and where we go from here, starting with Dublin on Saturday night. One week in Tyrone football seems like an eternity these days.

Is Healy Park going to be playable? Is the contingency to move it to Edendork on Sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 26, 2020, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 26, 2020, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 25, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
See McKenna looks to be going back to Oz. I think it shows how valued he is over there, if they are making so many allowances for him. Hopefully we see him in a Tyrone jersey again at some stage.

I think the club would cater for any player if they where feeling homesick and wanted time off,every player is an asset to them so they need to keep them right to get value for the wages they pay, esp in the current world with all this talk of health and wellbeing etc

You have a good chance of seeing him back in Tyrone colours but not for another few years, but by then what will he have left? Better concentrating on what we have and where we go from here, starting with Dublin on Saturday night. One week in Tyrone football seems like an eternity these days.

Is Healy Park going to be playable? Is the contingency to move it to Edendork on Sunday?

Don't see why Healy Park wouldn't be playable this weekend....bit of rain forecast, gives for a crappy enough day Saturday with winds. You would imagine Edendork already have had the call.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 26, 2020, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 26, 2020, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 26, 2020, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 25, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
See McKenna looks to be going back to Oz. I think it shows how valued he is over there, if they are making so many allowances for him. Hopefully we see him in a Tyrone jersey again at some stage.

I think the club would cater for any player if they where feeling homesick and wanted time off,every player is an asset to them so they need to keep them right to get value for the wages they pay, esp in the current world with all this talk of health and wellbeing etc

You have a good chance of seeing him back in Tyrone colours but not for another few years, but by then what will he have left? Better concentrating on what we have and where we go from here, starting with Dublin on Saturday night. One week in Tyrone football seems like an eternity these days.

Is Healy Park going to be playable? Is the contingency to move it to Edendork on Sunday?

Don't see why Healy Park wouldn't be playable this weekend....bit of rain forecast, gives for a crappy enough day Saturday with winds. You would imagine Edendork already have had the call.

I think you've answered your own question
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 26, 2020, 10:30:50 AM
Edendork pitch was badly cut up after Kerry game. Might be no harm getting Dublin away from Omagh somewhere unfamiliar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on February 26, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 26, 2020, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 26, 2020, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 26, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on February 26, 2020, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 25, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
See McKenna looks to be going back to Oz. I think it shows how valued he is over there, if they are making so many allowances for him. Hopefully we see him in a Tyrone jersey again at some stage.

I think the club would cater for any player if they where feeling homesick and wanted time off,every player is an asset to them so they need to keep them right to get value for the wages they pay, esp in the current world with all this talk of health and wellbeing etc

You have a good chance of seeing him back in Tyrone colours but not for another few years, but by then what will he have left? Better concentrating on what we have and where we go from here, starting with Dublin on Saturday night. One week in Tyrone football seems like an eternity these days.

Is Healy Park going to be playable? Is the contingency to move it to Edendork on Sunday?

Don't see why Healy Park wouldn't be playable this weekend....bit of rain forecast, gives for a crappy enough day Saturday with winds. You would imagine Edendork already have had the call.

I think you've answered your own question

Forgot about Healy, highly unlikely it will be there if any rain, although Omagh will do there best to host this one, didn't they raise the price of pints the last time the Dubs came and made an absolute mint!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on February 27, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
Mickey in the Irish news today saying we "are a work in progress". Been sayin that for near 10 years. Will be some piece of work when it's finished, Michaelangelo would be be proud of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 27, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 27, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
Mickey in the Irish news today saying we "are a work in progress". Been sayin that for near 10 years. Will be some piece of work when it's finished, Michaelangelo would be be proud of it.

Every team is a work in progress
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on February 27, 2020, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 27, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
Mickey in the Irish news today saying we "are a work in progress". Been sayin that for near 10 years. Will be some piece of work when it's finished, Michaelangelo would be be proud of it.

Jaysus STG......what is he supposed to say - 'we are the finished product'?

We could pick holes in every single interview given by a manager (most of them are cliche soundbites anyway).

MH is here for this season anyway - given all of the challenges we have everyone in the county should row in behind him no matter what
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 27, 2020, 08:43:14 PM
Tyrone game moving to Sunday now?
Healy Park some let down for a county ground.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 27, 2020, 09:21:03 PM
Listened to the Podcast by Jarlath Burns on Off the Ball (i think that was it)
I had a very different view of him before listening - have met him a few times and know that he is very driven and focused and hard working etc...the podcast would suggest that he might have some substance to his drive for President.

Anyone heard it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2020, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: Stan on February 27, 2020, 09:21:03 PM
Listened to the Podcast by Jarlath Burns on Off the Ball (i think that was it)
I had a very different view of him before listening - have met him a few times and know that he is very driven and focused and hard working etc...the podcast would suggest that he might have some substance to his drive for President.

Anyone heard it?

Most of these guys talk the talk , but walking it is different. The Last President who walked the walk was Peter Quinn. The current one went in on the ticket of sorting the fixtures, he has been useless.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on February 27, 2020, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2020, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: Stan on February 27, 2020, 09:21:03 PM
Listened to the Podcast by Jarlath Burns on Off the Ball (i think that was it)
I had a very different view of him before listening - have met him a few times and know that he is very driven and focused and hard working etc...the podcast would suggest that he might have some substance to his drive for President.

Anyone heard it?

Most of these guys talk the talk , but walking it is different. The Last President who walked the walk was Peter Quinn. The current one went in on the ticket of sorting the fixtures, he has been useless.

You listened to the podcast then - what did you think?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on February 28, 2020, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 27, 2020, 08:43:14 PM
Tyrone game moving to Sunday now?
Healy Park some let down for a county ground.

Has this been confirmed anywhere?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on February 28, 2020, 10:14:32 AM
Pomeroy or Edendork??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on February 28, 2020, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Remember Galway played in Pomeroy in the 03 league, the Galway manager said something like- we're playing in someplace called Pomeroy, so that should be interesting. He mustn't of knew there was a song about that area.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 28, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
Is Pomeroy new facility near close to completion? Be some way to open it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 28, 2020, 10:58:27 AM
Did McGeary get the Red Overturned? If not what a nightmare that would be in Dub game ended up there.

Also did I hear before Pomeroy hard to get connected for Tv etc???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 28, 2020, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

The Dubs don't have a central training centre sure! They get trained in portacabins.....so they say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 28, 2020, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy
Wouldn't make a whole pile of difference.. Dublin U20s would bate us at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on February 28, 2020, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 28, 2020, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy
Wouldn't make a whole pile of difference.. Dublin U20s would bate us at the minute

We beat Kerry 3 weeks ago
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on February 28, 2020, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 28, 2020, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on February 28, 2020, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy
Wouldn't make a whole pile of difference.. Dublin U20s would bate us at the minute

We beat Kerry 3 weeks ago
You're only as good as your last game.. As the old saying goes BigPackie
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 28, 2020, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: Stan on February 27, 2020, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2020, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: Stan on February 27, 2020, 09:21:03 PM
Listened to the Podcast by Jarlath Burns on Off the Ball (i think that was it)
I had a very different view of him before listening - have met him a few times and know that he is very driven and focused and hard working etc...the podcast would suggest that he might have some substance to his drive for President.

Anyone heard it?

Most of these guys talk the talk , but walking it is different. The Last President who walked the walk was Peter Quinn. The current one went in on the ticket of sorting the fixtures, he has been useless.

You listened to the podcast then - what did you think?

Listen, why? As I said already, they are good at talking the talk, I will judge him walking the walk. If he sorts fixtures he will have an outstanding success. But you won't sort it out if you spend to much time talking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 28, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

The game needs to be played there to embarrass the county board into doing something with Omagh pitch
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 28, 2020, 01:03:36 PM
Wait to they see Lagans pub.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on February 28, 2020, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 28, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
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Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

The game needs to be played there to embarrass the county board into doing something with Omagh pitch

I agree. People on here in the past making remarks about Omagh not wanting to pay the money to have the pitch sorted but when was the last time Omagh couldn't play a home league game because Healy Park wasn't playable
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 28, 2020, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 28, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

The game needs to be played there to embarrass the county board into doing something with Omagh pitch

They've already been embarrassed into doing so.

I think the county could really do with a more than reliable second venue though in the east of the county. It would be good to see some investment being made in a ground like Dungannon and making it fit to hold league games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 28, 2020, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 28, 2020, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 28, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

The game needs to be played there to embarrass the county board into doing something with Omagh pitch

They've already been embarrassed into doing so.

I think the county could really do with a more than reliable second venue though in the east of the county. It would be good to see some investment being made in a ground like Dungannon and making it fit to hold league games.

Grounds are a kip, pitch is crap. No parking and unable to sort out a conflict with a local farmer means the back road into it looks like something in Aleppo. There is bound to be better candidates.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on February 28, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 28, 2020, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 28, 2020, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 28, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

The game needs to be played there to embarrass the county board into doing something with Omagh pitch

They've already been embarrassed into doing so.

I think the county could really do with a more than reliable second venue though in the east of the county. It would be good to see some investment being made in a ground like Dungannon and making it fit to hold league games.

Grounds are a kip, pitch is crap. No parking and unable to sort out a conflict with a local farmer means the back road into it looks like something in Aleppo. There is bound to be better candidates.

There is bound to be a better option for development in the East apart from Dungannon Clarke's.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on February 28, 2020, 03:23:55 PM
Is this definitely going to be off?? Meant to be going to Omagh tomorrow night for my sins...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stillsenior on February 28, 2020, 04:04:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 28, 2020, 03:23:55 PM
Is this definitely going to be off?? Meant to be going to Omagh tomorrow night for my sins...

Weather has been fairly good in Omagh today but the forecast isn't good for tomorrow
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on February 28, 2020, 04:31:36 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

Do you care to disclose what club your from? Its easy to go on to a message board and start ridiculing another clubs facilities. We know ourselves our changing facilities are outdated and no longer practical therefore we've done something about it. New facilities are currently under construction at the top end of the field. Phase 1 - A community hub is almost complete. Work on phase 2 - changing rooms and a gym is about to start.

There is no other ground in Tyrone outside of Healy Park that has a fully terraced field that could hold 12000 plus people. That's clearly why a lot of the big club championship games are held in Plunkett Park and why the Dublin game may be switched there should Healy Park be waterlogged.

For what its worth, there are no warm up facilities in Edendork yet nobody seemed to mention that ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on February 28, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on February 28, 2020, 04:31:36 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

Do you care to disclose what club your from? Its easy to go on to a message board and start ridiculing another clubs facilities. We know ourselves our changing facilities are outdated and no longer practical therefore we've done something about it. New facilities are currently under construction at the top end of the field. Phase 1 - A community hub is almost complete. Work on phase 2 - changing rooms and a gym is about to start.

There is no other ground in Tyrone outside of Healy Park that has a fully terraced field that could hold 12000 plus people. That's clearly why a lot of the big club championship games are held in Plunkett Park and why the Dublin game may be switched there should Healy Park be waterlogged.

For what its worth, there are no warm up facilities in Edendork yet nobody seemed to mention that ::)

To balance, Edendork took the game when every other 'big' ground point blank refused. They can't really be criticised in any way for pulling the rabbit out of the hat.

Why do Carrickmore never take any of these games? Probably the best club facilities in county. Great pitch to play on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 28, 2020, 04:49:21 PM
Can county boards not invest in pitch covers for when heavy rain is forecast, they would be quite common for sporting venues. Surely with the resources available to the GAA and the fixture chaos in the last few years with league games and bad weather they could issue grants to county boards to purchase these?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on February 28, 2020, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 28, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on February 28, 2020, 04:31:36 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on February 28, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
Looking like a washout Saturday.Pomeroy on standby apparently be some culture shock for the Blues.

Some culture shock is right. How would their entourage fit in those changing rooms?

a club senior team can barely fit in the changing rooms and often have to move half the lads into another changing room to get togged out, and then bring everyone into the one room for the team talk. I would guess the majority of the dublin lads have never experienced anything like that before... and i would think pomeroy might pull the old trick were the electric for the building has suddenly stopped working, leaving the changing rooms with no source of light  ::)

also worth noting that the warm up is done on a tiny area of the back pitch that is literally surrounded by parked cars, it would make for an interesting spectacle.

Truly hope the game goes to pomeroy

Do you care to disclose what club your from? Its easy to go on to a message board and start ridiculing another clubs facilities. We know ourselves our changing facilities are outdated and no longer practical therefore we've done something about it. New facilities are currently under construction at the top end of the field. Phase 1 - A community hub is almost complete. Work on phase 2 - changing rooms and a gym is about to start.

There is no other ground in Tyrone outside of Healy Park that has a fully terraced field that could hold 12000 plus people. That's clearly why a lot of the big club championship games are held in Plunkett Park and why the Dublin game may be switched there should Healy Park be waterlogged.

For what its worth, there are no warm up facilities in Edendork yet nobody seemed to mention that ::)

To balance, Edendork took the game when every other 'big' ground point blank refused. They can't really be criticised in any way for pulling the rabbit out of the hat.

Why do Carrickmore never take any of these games? Probably the best club facilities in county. Great pitch to play on.

I wasnt critising Edendork, I was merely pointing out the fact pomeroy was criticised for having half a training field for warming up yet Edendork has no warming up facilities.

We were asked to hold the Kerry game but couldn't due to work being carried out on the sewers as part of the new build.

No doubt Carrickmore have good facilities but their grounds would also be partial to flooding due to the river that flows beside it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on February 28, 2020, 05:35:29 PM
Lets get real the amount of rain that has fallen,Noahs Ark would have been in trouble.Dry mostly today be good to take the Blues out of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 29, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
1. Niall Morgan
2. Michael Cassidy
3. Ronan McNammee
4. Liam Rafferty
5. Michael McKernan
6. Rory Brennan
7. Michael O'Neill
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Padraig Hampsey
10. Frank Burns
11. Niall Sludden
12. Darren McCurry
13. Peter Harte
14. Brian Kennedy
15. Conor Meyler
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 29, 2020, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 29, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
1. Niall Morgan
2. Michael Cassidy
3. Ronan McNammee
4. Liam Rafferty
5. Michael McKernan
6. Rory Brennan
7. Michael O'Neill
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Padraig Hampsey
10. Frank Burns
11. Niall Sludden
12. Darren McCurry
13. Peter Harte
14. Brian Kennedy
15. Conor Meyler

I don't see Kennedy playing inside, I'd imagine he will start at midfield if the team starts as named.

We really need to move on and start playing two men inside, of that team named I'd imagine Burns and Harte are probably the two player best equipped to play inside and win some ball with McCurry and Sludden playing close to them, the rest will just filter behind the ball when we don't have it and support when we do.

I think that forward line shows how badly short we are of inside forward options.

Bradley, McCurry and O'Neill are not inside forwards in the modern game, they are good players, the former two in particular (I don't think O'Neill has the mobility for the modern game) but the generally are much better equipped playing onto on the 45 where they can get on the ball and run on moves and finishing. They don't have the physicality to play inside and winning ball.

I was disappointed Harte didn't look at alternatives to McShane in the squad for this year, we were so reliant on him last year that we really should have some contingency in place if he was unavailable. Without Donnelly and McShane available our forward line just looks powderpuff and lightweight.

Good to see Michael O'Neill get his opportunity tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on February 29, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 29, 2020, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 29, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
1. Niall Morgan
2. Michael Cassidy
3. Ronan McNammee
4. Liam Rafferty
5. Michael McKernan
6. Rory Brennan
7. Michael O'Neill
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Padraig Hampsey
10. Frank Burns
11. Niall Sludden
12. Darren McCurry
13. Peter Harte
14. Brian Kennedy
15. Conor Meyler

I don't see Kennedy playing inside, I'd imagine he will start at midfield if the team starts as named.

We really need to move on and start playing two men inside, of that team named I'd imagine Burns and Harte are probably the two player best equipped to play inside and win some ball with McCurry and Sludden playing close to them, the rest will just filter behind the ball when we don't have it and support when we do.

I think that forward line shows how badly short we are of inside forward options.

Bradley, McCurry and O'Neill are not inside forwards in the modern game, they are good players, the former two in particular (I don't think O'Neill has the mobility for the modern game) but the generally are much better equipped playing onto on the 45 where they can get on the ball and run on moves and finishing. They don't have the physicality to play inside and winning ball.

I was disappointed Harte didn't look at alternatives to McShane in the squad for this year, we were so reliant on him last year that we really should have some contingency in place if he was unavailable. Without Donnelly and McShane available our forward line just looks powderpuff and lightweight.

Good to see Michael O'Neill get his opportunity tonight.
C McCann and F Burns in McKenna cup and first two league games?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 29, 2020, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on February 29, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 29, 2020, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 29, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
1. Niall Morgan
2. Michael Cassidy
3. Ronan McNammee
4. Liam Rafferty
5. Michael McKernan
6. Rory Brennan
7. Michael O'Neill
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Padraig Hampsey
10. Frank Burns
11. Niall Sludden
12. Darren McCurry
13. Peter Harte
14. Brian Kennedy
15. Conor Meyler

I don't see Kennedy playing inside, I'd imagine he will start at midfield if the team starts as named.

We really need to move on and start playing two men inside, of that team named I'd imagine Burns and Harte are probably the two player best equipped to play inside and win some ball with McCurry and Sludden playing close to them, the rest will just filter behind the ball when we don't have it and support when we do.

I think that forward line shows how badly short we are of inside forward options.

Bradley, McCurry and O'Neill are not inside forwards in the modern game, they are good players, the former two in particular (I don't think O'Neill has the mobility for the modern game) but the generally are much better equipped playing onto on the 45 where they can get on the ball and run on moves and finishing. They don't have the physicality to play inside and winning ball.

I was disappointed Harte didn't look at alternatives to McShane in the squad for this year, we were so reliant on him last year that we really should have some contingency in place if he was unavailable. Without Donnelly and McShane available our forward line just looks powderpuff and lightweight.

Good to see Michael O'Neill get his opportunity tonight.
C McCann and F Burns in McKenna cup and first two league games?

Neither are inside forwards though, I was more on about options outside the existing squad. He could have used the McKenna Cup to have a look at the likes of Ryan Coleman, Paul Donaghy or Danny McNulty to name a few - not they might not have made the grade but were surely worth a look at in the least in an area we are down to the bare bones at present.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 29, 2020, 02:19:06 PM
Whose Michael O'Neill?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 29, 2020, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 29, 2020, 02:19:06 PM
Whose Michael O'Neill?

Ardboe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on February 29, 2020, 02:35:11 PM
Healey Park in Omagh supposed to be re-laid and facilities upgraded in May/June - out of action then for 10 months!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on February 29, 2020, 02:39:45 PM
Quote from: MC on February 29, 2020, 02:35:11 PM
Healey Park in Omagh supposed to be re-laid and facilities upgraded in May/June - out of action then for 10 months!

Not sure that has been confirmed yet...There is a bit of skulduggery going on in the back ground i hear......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on February 29, 2020, 02:51:42 PM
If the match goes ahead its on RTE tonight. Mayo v Kerry has been postponed until tomorrow
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on February 29, 2020, 09:04:00 PM
Hon throne!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on February 29, 2020, 09:11:38 PM
Gonna win the all Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 29, 2020, 09:15:39 PM
That was a very good performance from Tyrone, attitude was superb - obviously with the lack of Donnelly and McShane the conditions suited us tonight.

Burns, Brennan, Morgan, Rafferty and Colm Cavanagh were all superb but I thought Peter Harte was the best player on the pitch. He's been out of form badly of late and has came in for some justified criticism but that will hopefully get him in the groove. I think we have to use him inside like we did tonight for the rest of the year, particularly with Donnelly and McShane missing.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan back too, thought both did well tonight after their layoffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 29, 2020, 10:12:16 PM
To be fair I'm not his biggest fan in general but thought meyler excellent tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 29, 2020, 10:13:00 PM
Is it just me or was it all the east tyrone boys at the frontline on the boxing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on March 01, 2020, 01:58:01 AM
Tyrone beat kerry and dublin in bogs and think they are great. Hiding the truth about a lot of failings but who cares.
...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 01, 2020, 07:52:33 AM
Quote from: WT4E on February 29, 2020, 10:13:00 PM
Is it just me or was it all the east tyrone boys at the frontline on the boxing?
Hard to make it out on the video I seen but I def could see hampsey taking cover in behind a few a richy donnelly doing the boxing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 01, 2020, 08:10:48 AM
I think we've really unearthed some good options in defence this year.

Rafferty has been in superb form and should be a definite starter this year, from what I've seen from Niall Kelly I have been impressed, he seems a solid corner back and Michael O'Neill did very well last night on his debut. It does give us options and depth there going forward.

The problems are at the other end of the pitch though. Hopefully Peter Harte will keep his form up now though, we had no short-mid range free taker for the left hand side last night until O'Neill came on. It's a shame McHugh left the panel as he could actually get some chances now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 01, 2020, 10:19:36 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 02, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
Anything to be said for moving Peter Harte into full forward?
Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly inside with Mark Bradley operating off them would have the potential to be very dangerous.
Hope to see Peter Harte continue in there. Thought he was excellent last night. Closer to goal should suit him. A welcome and much needed return to form.
Brennan excellent again, hard to believe it took him so long to get established on the team. Great player. McKernan, Cassidy, Hampsey coming into the team improved things, not surprising because their good players, but great to see them back. Morgan in great form last night and Rafferty excellent as well.
Things to work on yes, two wins during two storms doesn't inspire much, but wins against Kerry and Dublin, top 2 in Ireland at present, can't be overlooked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 01, 2020, 10:29:32 AM
Quote from: The Trap on March 01, 2020, 01:58:01 AM
Tyrone beat kerry and dublin in bogs and think they are great. Hiding the truth about a lot of failings but who cares.
...

You, seemingly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 01, 2020, 11:00:01 AM
Quote from: The Trap on March 01, 2020, 01:58:01 AM
Tyrone beat kerry and dublin in bogs and think they are great. Hiding the truth about a lot of failings but who cares.
...

If you don't care don't comment.

Having got hammered last week, without the two best forwards, and then conceding an early goal to the best team of all time who rarely lose Tyrone could have easily lay down and took a hiding last night. It might mean nothing in the long term but last night when the chips were down the team stood up worked their asses of and ground out a win.

Their work rate, attitude, handling and movement was excellent. Morgan who used to get serious flack on here was excellent again. As were most of the team. The likes of meyler, rafferty and burns created opportunities by direct running. Harte was very good up front and the likes of Cavanagh (who is clean done apparently) put in a big shift.

The lads deserve credit for the win and hopefully can build on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 01, 2020, 11:42:01 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 01, 2020, 11:00:01 AM
Quote from: The Trap on March 01, 2020, 01:58:01 AM
Tyrone beat kerry and dublin in bogs and think they are great. Hiding the truth about a lot of failings but who cares.
...

If you don't care don't comment.

Having got hammered last week, without the two best forwards, and then conceding an early goal to the best team of all time who rarely lose Tyrone could have easily lay down and took a hiding last night. It might mean nothing in the long term but last night when the chips were down the team stood up worked their asses of and ground out a win.

Their work rate, attitude, handling and movement was excellent. Morgan who used to get serious flack on here was excellent again. As were most of the team. The likes of meyler, rafferty and burns created opportunities by direct running. Harte was very good up front and the likes of Cavanagh (who is clean done apparently) put in a big shift.

The lads deserve credit for the win and hopefully can build on it.

It's a long time since I can remember our running game working so well. The support runs were superb, players were breaking tackles and being a lot more daring in doing so.

It can be high risk as if you get overturned you can be left short when you commit those players forward but the overall attitude and desire last night was a real credit to the team. Too many times in the recent past we've had lads just turn back and recycle when we get that far but the intent was there go penetrate Dublin and the decision making and focus was there in very unfavorable circumstances.

Donegal up next and it will be interesting how that one goes. I think a running game is far more suited to beating Donegal. We played open against them last year in Championship and tried to let direct ball in and were ripped apart.

Colm Cavanagh was back to his best last night sitting in front of the defence too. I don't think we have much option but to play this way if or until Donnelly and McShane return.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 01, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
I also thought Coney was very good when he came in last night, got on a lot of ball, was very composed and spread the play well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 02, 2020, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 29, 2020, 09:15:39 PM
That was a very good performance from Tyrone, attitude was superb - obviously with the lack of Donnelly and McShane the conditions suited us tonight.

Burns, Brennan, Morgan, Rafferty and Colm Cavanagh were all superb but I thought Peter Harte was the best player on the pitch. He's been out of form badly of late and has came in for some justified criticism but that will hopefully get him in the groove. I think we have to use him inside like we did tonight for the rest of the year, particularly with Donnelly and McShane missing.

Good to see Hampsey and McKernan back too, thought both did well tonight after their layoffs.

Harte superb yes, and in particular Brennan and Morgan but for me the best player on the field was Rafferty, the man doesn't stop running, must be a nightmare to a corner forward on him, in the past 2 games against Galway and Dublin he cuda finished with 2:3/2:4, a joy to watch!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on March 02, 2020, 10:22:29 AM
still not inconceivable that we could get relegated
could come down to Mayo game
if Mayo beat Galway next day out and Donegal overtone us will leave it interesting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 02, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on March 02, 2020, 10:22:29 AM
still not inconceivable that we could get relegated
could come down to Mayo game
if Mayo beat Galway next day out and Donegal overtone us will leave it interesting

Big time, a lot of work still to do, at the minute I'm not worried on relegation or not,if we go down then so be it, done Donegal no harm for a year, we just need to keep up performances up at this stage and carry into Ballybofey come championship time!!
Although my head tells me we will be fine, I cant see Mayo going to Galway and getting a result, Mayo struggling big time,some turn around from league winners last season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on March 02, 2020, 12:25:38 PM
looks like a complete new mayo team though bar a few
Galway are pretty much through so they could rest a few, I wouldn't rule out Mayo pulling it out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on March 02, 2020, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on March 02, 2020, 12:25:38 PM
looks like a complete new mayo team though bar a few
Galway are pretty much through so they could rest a few, I wouldn't rule out Mayo pulling it out

can't see them resting players against Mayo, too much of a rivalry and they need one more win to basically guarantee a final place. They'll want to do that against mayo rather than having to try and do it against dublin in the final league game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 02, 2020, 12:46:11 PM
Galway need a win against Mayo next time out if they want a league final spot. Indeed a win against Mayo likely won't be enough on its own unless Donegal or Monaghan can do them a favour by taking something off Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 02, 2020, 01:14:16 PM
Last 2 games gonna be huge for us especially if mayo beat Galway. Hopefully the weather improves and pitches dry out to see what teams really have. Is there a break this weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 02, 2020, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2020, 01:14:16 PM
Last 2 games gonna be huge for us especially if mayo beat Galway. Hopefully the weather improves and pitches dry out to see what teams really have. Is there a break this weekend?

Yep. Next game in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 02, 2020, 02:53:12 PM
Can't see Mayo beating Galway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on March 02, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2020, 01:14:16 PM
Last 2 games gonna be huge for us especially if mayo beat Galway. Hopefully the weather improves and pitches dry out to see what teams really have. Is there a break this weekend?

Few words on Saturday evenings game STG?  Good performance in tough conditions.  Players and Mickey have to take some credit.  Beat Dublin and Kerry this league campaign. Its good going like.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 02, 2020, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on March 02, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2020, 01:14:16 PM
Last 2 games gonna be huge for us especially if mayo beat Galway. Hopefully the weather improves and pitches dry out to see what teams really have. Is there a break this weekend?

Few words on Saturday evenings game STG?  Good performance in tough conditions.  Players and Mickey have to take some credit.  Beat Dublin and Kerry this league campaign. Its good going like.
will mean f**k all come summer. If they beat Kerry and Dublin in summer then they will get credit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 02, 2020, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 02, 2020, 01:14:16 PM
Last 2 games gonna be huge for us especially if mayo beat Galway. Hopefully the weather improves and pitches dry out to see what teams really have. Is there a break this weekend?

Yep. Next game in 2 weeks.

Looks like they want a few suspensions handed out judging by the media reaction to Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 02, 2020, 06:22:41 PM
Rumours that Matty Donnelly has teeth knocked out. Why are people not on the match day panel, Matty and Richie (can be seen clearly in the video) in the tunnel, too many people inside the wire imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on March 02, 2020, 07:25:22 PM
Sure ...do you want  tyrone players to lie down and let the dubs walk over them. Get real.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on March 02, 2020, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.

Scenes were disgraceful but we've a distorted view from what i can see - nothing is 100% visible but everything is out of context.
You might never find out what started it but it is what it is.
Those players are not thugs - I know a few of them and they are the opposite.
GAA need to make it mandatory (for talks sake) the home team exiting field of play first
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 02, 2020, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.

Yes in future let's hope our players take their battering like good little boys and not hit back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on March 02, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.

Its fairly clear this lad has never kicked ball in his life
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 02, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 02, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.

Its fairly clear this lad has never kicked ball in his life

Could be a lady.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 02, 2020, 09:25:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 02, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on March 02, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.

Its fairly clear this lad has never kicked ball in his life

Could be a lady.

Definitely a stoop
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 02, 2020, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: delgany on March 02, 2020, 07:25:22 PM
Sure ...do you want  tyrone players to lie down and let the dubs walk over them. Get real.

If it had of happened on omagh street arrests would have been made.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on March 02, 2020, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.

Did a Tyrone start it? If yes, post the evidence otherwise ShutTheFU!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on March 02, 2020, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on March 02, 2020, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: delgany on March 02, 2020, 07:25:22 PM
Sure ...do you want  tyrone players to lie down and let the dubs walk over them. Get real.

If it had of happened on omagh street arrests would have been made.

You've missed the point .
No gaelic football or hurling team are going to stand back and take a tanking from the opposition.  It's a sign of weakness!

What happens out side a pub on a saturday night,  is not the same thing , as it is not governed by the rules of association but by law of the land .

Move on ... a bit if a bust up... nothing to worry about .

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on March 03, 2020, 08:14:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.
Catch yourself on, not the biggest fan on how Tyrone are operating and being operated at the minute, but that brought the team up a few levels for me.. That was nothing to do with Mickey, don't give him that credit. Sheer ignorance from a few of our boys started that and in my head put the fear in the Dubs for the second half
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 03, 2020, 10:27:24 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on March 02, 2020, 06:22:41 PM
Rumours that Matty Donnelly has teeth knocked out. Why are people not on the match day panel, Matty and Richie (can be seen clearly in the video) in the tunnel, too many people inside the wire imo.

As squad members they are entitled to be with the squad in fairness. Anything after that I'm not sure of the ins and outs but if it's true about Matty Donnelly he's not really much use on the pitch at the minute let alone a brawl so who knows why he got himself involved. From what I gather the Dubs started it with the usual men to the fore before a Tyrone player took exception leading to that. The clip that done the rounds though done absolutely nothing for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 03, 2020, 10:44:54 AM
Have since read the clip that done the rounds is inadmissible to the GAA with regards to sanctions and anything RTE has was inconclusive. That looks to be that.

Hampshy got his black for verbal abuse - must be the first ever instance I've seen of that punishment actually being given.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on March 03, 2020, 12:51:56 PM
The dubs coaded the tyrone players by saying that they would be relegated . Hampsey pushed one out of the way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on March 03, 2020, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on March 03, 2020, 08:14:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.
Catch yourself on, not the biggest fan on how Tyrone are operating and being operated at the minute, but that brought the team up a few levels for me.. That was nothing to do with Mickey, don't give him that credit. Sheer ignorance from a few of our boys started that and in my head put the fear in the Dubs for the second half

Dublin weren't interested and probably thought the match was going to be called off.  Tyrone went at them like demons, because they knew the weather gave them a great opportunity to take a scalp and get two points.  This game might mean Tyrone will stay up (it might not), but it will mean nothing coming championship. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Theshooter on March 03, 2020, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 01, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
I also thought Coney was very good when he came in last night, got on a lot of ball, was very composed and spread the play well.

Yes, the whole way over the sideline one time too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 03, 2020, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Theshooter on March 03, 2020, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 01, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
I also thought Coney was very good when he came in last night, got on a lot of ball, was very composed and spread the play well.

Yes, the whole way over the sideline one time too

I wouldn't get too caught up on about one slightly overhit long range pass on a stormy night. It was actually Coney who won the turnover that led to the goal.

The absolute bitchiness from some of you guys is off the charts, I pity your husbands when they come home in the evening.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 03, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Quote from: APM on March 03, 2020, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on March 03, 2020, 08:14:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2020, 06:54:28 PM
Disgraceful scenes in the tunnel. Harte has cultivated this indiscipline and thuggery in the squad.

Hoping for more storms in July and August. Otherwise we're fucked.
Catch yourself on, not the biggest fan on how Tyrone are operating and being operated at the minute, but that brought the team up a few levels for me.. That was nothing to do with Mickey, don't give him that credit. Sheer ignorance from a few of our boys started that and in my head put the fear in the Dubs for the second half

Dublin weren't interested and probably thought the match was going to be called off.  Tyrone went at them like demons, because they knew the weather gave them a great opportunity to take a scalp and get two points.  This game might mean Tyrone will stay up (it might not), but it will mean nothing coming championship.

It's very noteworthy how people from the likes of Derry, Down and Armagh always feel the need to come into Tyrone threads and comment on Tyrone matters.

It's almost as if they've stopped being relevant at the top table and their main interest in intercounty football at the late summer months is putting pins in their Tyrone voodoo doll.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 03, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: Theshooter on March 03, 2020, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 01, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
I also thought Coney was very good when he came in last night, got on a lot of ball, was very composed and spread the play well.

Yes, the whole way over the sideline one time too

You'd have done better yourself in the middle of a storm on a wet night, eh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 04, 2020, 08:52:33 AM
How do we rate the u20s chances at the weekend?

They seem to have made hard work already of their two games so far and don't seem to have pushed on as much as I'd have expected them to.

We seem to be down a good few players from what you'd imagine would be our best bunch at this age level, I know there was references made to some disciplinary issues with a few players but whether it be discipline or injury you have guys like Conroy and Hayes unavailable who would give that attack a serious boost. Murnaghan also missed the Antrim game as well, I noted that he was named at 14 in the Armagh game, was he actually playing there or just named there - bit strange for a guy who is more of a wing back or middle third player.

There's also none of last year's minor team involved and this has been more or less the same for the last few years since u20 came in? I would have thought the likes of young McGleenan and Devlin would certainly be involved as they really stood out for the minors last year and there's no doubting McGleenan is physically ready for it. Are they involved with their schools or something?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 04, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 04, 2020, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 04, 2020, 09:07:51 AM
I was nearly sure I'd heard about a conflict between schools and counties a few months back. Tyrone mustn't have wanted or needed an exemption to play lads that are involved in school competitions. Must be why those you named haven't been involved as yet.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/01/22/news/ulster-schools-react-angrily-to-gaa-relaxing-u20-eligibility-rules-1820645/

ULSTER Schools have reacted angrily to the GAA's decision to allow counties leeway on a rule to give schools priority on players ahead of inter-county U20 squads, which could lead to a potential clash for players on St Patrick's Day.

The GAA had imposed a rule in November that "players involved in the 'A' and 'B' post-primary football championships are ineligible to play for their county team until such time as their school has been eliminated from its own championship".

However, following an original representation from Fermanagh claiming that they could not field an U20 team without their 13 school-tied players, the GAA granted an exemption and permitted other counties to apply for the same.

"As a result, 17 counties applied for, and have been granted, that exemption, and other counties have been told that they can apply this week," Ulster Schools' secretary Seamus Woods told schools in an email on Monday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 04, 2020, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 04, 2020, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.
Think there was an issue with the CBS players, Oran Grimes (on the panel last year) and Daniel Fullerton were let go off the panel to play with their school. That could also be the case with some Holy Trinity and Academy players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 04, 2020, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 04, 2020, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 04, 2020, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.
Think there was an issue with the CBS players, Oran Grimes (on the panel last year) and Daniel Fullerton were let go off the panel to play with their school. That could also be the case with some Holy Trinity and Academy players.

The Schools/U20 clash seems to have been a complete balls up. Players being forced to drop off to play for their Schools. Although Tarlach Quinn remained on the panel (came on against Antrim) even though he played for Holy Trinity in the MacRory.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on March 04, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on March 04, 2020, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 04, 2020, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 04, 2020, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.
Think there was an issue with the CBS players, Oran Grimes (on the panel last year) and Daniel Fullerton were let go off the panel to play with their school. That could also be the case with some Holy Trinity and Academy players.

The Schools/U20 clash seems to have been a complete balls up. Players being forced to drop off to play for their Schools. Although Tarlach Quinn remained on the panel (came on against Antrim) even though he played for Holy Trinity in the MacRory.

Can't play for your county u20's until your school football is over. So basically if a MacRory team was beat & knocked out of the competition, the players are available to play for their county u20's the next day.

Complete balls of a rule
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 04, 2020, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 04, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on March 04, 2020, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 04, 2020, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on March 04, 2020, 09:01:42 AM
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
McGleenon was playing for St Pats Armagh who were only beat in the semi final last week and Mark Devlin was playing for Holy Trinity who were beat in the quarters 2 weeks ago. Isn't there a rule where they can't be involved in the U20s?

Not that I'm aware as I think both are overage for minor (u17) now but I'm open to correction? Is it just an internal policy whereby players who are just out of minor aren't picked until the following year?

The u17 and u20 grades are a joke in fairness. That extra year at u21 level would be so much more beneficial for a player trying to establish himself at senior level and it does far more to retain lads playing the game.
Think there was an issue with the CBS players, Oran Grimes (on the panel last year) and Daniel Fullerton were let go off the panel to play with their school. That could also be the case with some Holy Trinity and Academy players.

The Schools/U20 clash seems to have been a complete balls up. Players being forced to drop off to play for their Schools. Although Tarlach Quinn remained on the panel (came on against Antrim) even though he played for Holy Trinity in the MacRory.

Can't play for your county u20's until your school football is over. So basically if a MacRory team was beat & knocked out of the competition, the players are available to play for their county u20's the next day.

Complete balls of a rule

No I know that. Just wondering why, for example, Oran Grimes had to drop off the panel while Tarlach Quinn didn't. Both Schools exited the MacRory at the Quarter Final stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on March 04, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Player burnout has been put forward as a massive issue in the GAA but being honest, when you're that age you're able to play for a number of teams at once, the body can handle it and you just want to play as much football as possible.. but I could be very wrong here because the games has changed quite a lot since my younger days
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 05, 2020, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on March 04, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Player burnout has been put forward as a massive issue in the GAA but being honest, when you're that age you're able to play for a number of teams at once, the body can handle it and you just want to play as much football as possible.. but I could be very wrong here because the games has changed quite a lot since my younger days

There is a misconception regarding burn out. It's not so much the games from a young age. Youth football is less stressful on the body by its very nature, now that's not to say it doesn't contribute - it's not ideal, but they are well capable of handling it - the body at that age is a remarkable regenerative machine.

The real problem comes with every manger on every team making these players train the same night after playing a school game that day or vice versa. Now if it's just shooting or basics, fine - it's still not ideal nor near it, but it's not overly stressful. The problem is they usually make them do the long, outdated running so they do what the rest of the team does, that is the road to ruin and I'm sure something that will resonate with fellas in and around my own age.....old enough to remember when it wasn't a big deal.....young enough to still be playing taking longer to loosen up.

We need to educate our youth managers better - sometimes at clubs it's just whoever will take the job, which of course is a nonsense but I know in my own club there isn't exactly a queue to do it either so what do we do? They don't really buy into new training techniques so fill up the training by mindless running, running breaks the body down.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 07, 2020, 10:25:06 PM
Good weekend for a Tyrone football. Great win for 20's against Donegal - well done to all the players and management, of which there were quite a few.

Seen a group photo of the full backroom team and was shocked to be honest. A big number of people involved. Does anyone know their roles or even who they are - didn't recognise some of them to be honest.

Good luck to them all in the All Ireland series
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 07, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
That backroom team is a lot of volunteers who love being out all weathers when we are at home at a big fire.They are what the gaa is about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 08, 2020, 11:05:58 PM
Interview with PJ Quinn on the42.ie worth 10 minutes of your time to read.

Good but tough read.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on March 09, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: skeog on March 07, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
That backroom team is a lot of volunteers who love being out all weathers when we are at home at a big fire.They are what the gaa is about.

Yes, various volunteers involved with match statistics/analysis, sports massage/physio/doctor, equipment management etc. good to see so many willing to give up their free time to help with the success and development of the young red hands
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on March 09, 2020, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 05, 2020, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on March 04, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Player burnout has been put forward as a massive issue in the GAA but being honest, when you're that age you're able to play for a number of teams at once, the body can handle it and you just want to play as much football as possible.. but I could be very wrong here because the games has changed quite a lot since my younger days

There is a misconception regarding burn out. It's not so much the games from a young age. Youth football is less stressful on the body by its very nature, now that's not to say it doesn't contribute - it's not ideal, but they are well capable of handling it - the body at that age is a remarkable regenerative machine.

The real problem comes with every manger on every team making these players train the same night after playing a school game that day or vice versa. Now if it's just shooting or basics, fine - it's still not ideal nor near it, but it's not overly stressful. The problem is they usually make them do the long, outdated running so they do what the rest of the team does, that is the road to ruin and I'm sure something that will resonate with fellas in and around my own age.....old enough to remember when it wasn't a big deal.....young enough to still be playing taking longer to loosen up.

We need to educate our youth managers better - sometimes at clubs it's just whoever will take the job, which of course is a nonsense but I know in my own club there isn't exactly a queue to do it either so what do we do? They don't really buy into new training techniques so fill up the training by mindless running, running breaks the body down.

good post, didn't realise some managers would expect a lad to play/train twice in one day. That would definitely take a toll on the body
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Art Mc Crory’s Sofa on March 09, 2020, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on March 07, 2020, 10:25:06 PM
Good weekend for a Tyrone football. Great win for 20's against Donegal - well done to all the players and management, of which there were quite a few.

Seen a group photo of the full backroom team and was shocked to be honest. A big number of people involved. Does anyone know their roles or even who they are - didn't recognise some of them to be honest.

Good luck to them all in the All Ireland series

That "back room team" photo contains st least one county board official. Throw in a kit man, doctor, 1 or 2 physios, coach and manager and it's not hard to make it look like a big back room team. In reality I'd say less than half of those are at your average training session.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 09, 2020, 02:44:16 PM
Ant big performances from the U20's at the wkend?
How'd baby Jesus play??
Will Jordan be fit to make a mark at club level and maybe even be a future County player?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 09, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on March 09, 2020, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 05, 2020, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: The_Slug on March 04, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Player burnout has been put forward as a massive issue in the GAA but being honest, when you're that age you're able to play for a number of teams at once, the body can handle it and you just want to play as much football as possible.. but I could be very wrong here because the games has changed quite a lot since my younger days

There is a misconception regarding burn out. It's not so much the games from a young age. Youth football is less stressful on the body by its very nature, now that's not to say it doesn't contribute - it's not ideal, but they are well capable of handling it - the body at that age is a remarkable regenerative machine.

The real problem comes with every manger on every team making these players train the same night after playing a school game that day or vice versa. Now if it's just shooting or basics, fine - it's still not ideal nor near it, but it's not overly stressful. The problem is they usually make them do the long, outdated running so they do what the rest of the team does, that is the road to ruin and I'm sure something that will resonate with fellas in and around my own age.....old enough to remember when it wasn't a big deal.....young enough to still be playing taking longer to loosen up.

We need to educate our youth managers better - sometimes at clubs it's just whoever will take the job, which of course is a nonsense but I know in my own club there isn't exactly a queue to do it either so what do we do? They don't really buy into new training techniques so fill up the training by mindless running, running breaks the body down.

good post, didn't realise some managers would expect a lad to play/train twice in one day. That would definitely take a toll on the body

And that's just football I'm talking about. I know a few young lads into the Hurling too.....basically on the go every single night and whatever the day may bring on the school front.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 21, 2020, 12:04:00 PM
I'm sure most have seen this on social media but the 2005 AI final is now up in full on YouTube!

https://youtu.be/i8PiBNuOR1Y
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on March 21, 2020, 08:13:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 21, 2020, 12:04:00 PM
I'm sure most have seen this on social media but the 2005 AI final is now up in full on YouTube!

https://youtu.be/i8PiBNuOR1Y

The GAA hour podcast analysed it last Monday. It was very good. Brings back memories.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 22, 2020, 08:38:32 PM
Just saw on Facebook a post asking people to pick their best county team, that they have seen play, made up of only one player from each club. To pass a bit of time I did my own for Tyrone and it's harder than you might think to decide between players. For what it's worth....
Niall Morgan - Edendork
Jon Lynch - Castlederg
Ciaran McGarvey - Aghyaran
Ryan McMenamin - Dromore
Kevin McCabe - Clonoe
Conor Gormley - Carrickmore
Phillip Jordan - Moy
Eugene McKenna - Augher
Kevin Hughes - Killeeshil
Gerard Cavlan - Dungannon
Eoin Mulligan - Cookstown
Joe McMahon - Omagh
Steven O'Neill - Clan na Gael
Frank McGuigan - Ardboe
Peter Canavan - Errigal

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 22, 2020, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 22, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
You're putting Hub ahead of Cavanagh at midfield. Right.

No Jordan ahead of Cavanagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 22, 2020, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 22, 2020, 08:38:32 PM
Just saw on Facebook a post asking people to pick their best county team, that they have seen play, made up of only one player from each club. To pass a bit of time I did my own for Tyrone and it's harder than you might think to decide between players. For what it's worth....
Niall Morgan - Edendork
Jon Lynch - Castlederg
Ciaran McGarvey - Aghyaran
Ryan McMenamin - Dromore
Kevin McCabe - Clonoe
Conor Gormley - Carrickmore
Phillip Jordan - Moy
Eugene McKenna - Augher
Kevin Hughes - Killeeshil
Gerard Cavlan - Dungannon
Eoin Mulligan - Cookstown
Joe McMahon - Omagh
Steven O'Neill - Clan na Gael
Frank McGuigan - Ardboe
Peter Canavan - Errigal

No Hagan from Fianna - you are not wise. One of the greats he was. A lot of our great players played in the straight KO era, no second chances etc.
In saying that, this would be a tough team to pick considering the restriction of one player per club but Hagan must be on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 22, 2020, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on March 22, 2020, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 22, 2020, 08:38:32 PM
Just saw on Facebook a post asking people to pick their best county team, that they have seen play, made up of only one player from each club. To pass a bit of time I did my own for Tyrone and it's harder than you might think to decide between players. For what it's worth....
Niall Morgan - Edendork
Jon Lynch - Castlederg
Ciaran McGarvey - Aghyaran
Ryan McMenamin - Dromore
Kevin McCabe - Clonoe
Conor Gormley - Carrickmore
Phillip Jordan - Moy
Eugene McKenna - Augher
Kevin Hughes - Killeeshil
Gerard Cavlan - Dungannon
Eoin Mulligan - Cookstown
Joe McMahon - Omagh
Steven O'Neill - Clan na Gael
Frank McGuigan - Ardboe
Peter Canavan - Errigal

No Hagan from Fianna - you are not wise. One of the greats he was. A lot of our great players played in the straight KO era, no second chances etc.
In saying that, this would be a tough team to pick considering the restriction of one player per club but Hagan must be on it.

Aye sure you could make a case for a few. Adrian Cush would have been another I'd have probably gone with if I'd given it a bit more thought.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on March 22, 2020, 11:07:36 PM
You're not changing that ff line any time soon. Not only greatest in Tyrone......arguably the greatest ever!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 23, 2020, 01:43:25 PM
Ronan Mc Namee our best full back not listed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 23, 2020, 01:46:47 PM
Would have Cormac McAnallen in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on March 23, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
love him or loathe him, surely cavanagh has to get a half fwd berth at least
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 23, 2020, 02:32:54 PM
Quote from: skeog on March 23, 2020, 01:43:25 PM
Ronan Mc Namee our best full back not listed.

:o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 23, 2020, 02:51:38 PM
1.   Niall Morgan Edendork
2.   Ricey Dromore
3.   Cormac McAnallen Eglish
4.   Tar Lynch Castlederg
5.   Petey Harte Errigal
6.   Block Gormley Carrickmore
7.   Kevin McCabe Clonoe
8.   Eugene McKenna Augher
9.   Sean Cav Moy
10.   Mattie Donnelly Trillick
11.   Damien O'Hagan Coalisland
12.   Brian Dooher Clann Na Gael
13.   Peter Canavan Errigal
14.   Frank McGuigan Ardboe
15.   Iggy Jones Dungannon

Players of note:
Had to drop Philly Jordan which meant I had to play Petey in there who I consider a weaker player but Impossible to leave out Sean Cavanagh on any team, on his day for he was the best in Ireland and will go down as one of the best ever! Anyone that's leaves him out hasn't a clue and needs their head checked!
Toss of a coin between Dooher and Stevie but went with Dooher because I hada fill the half forward line and the fact Dooher was the leader of the team that won the All Irelands and don't think I ever saw him play poorly!
I think Mattie has to make it also,2 all stars, Captained us to All Ireland final! He's one of few men who cud have possibly gotten on some of the winning teams in the 2000's! Another discussion another day perhaps on what current players wud have gotten on some of them teams that won the All Ireland!
Iggy Jones – Don't know much about himas in never saw him play but from what I hear he cant be left out
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on March 23, 2020, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on March 23, 2020, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 23, 2020, 02:51:38 PM
1.   Niall Morgan Edendork
2.   Ricey Dromore
3.   Cormac McAnallen Eglish
4.   Tar Lynch Castlederg
5.   Peter Harte Errigal
6.   Block Gormley Carrickmore
7.   Kevin McCabe Clonoe
8.   Eugene McKenna Augher
9.   Sean Cav Moy
10.   Mattie Donnelly Trillick
11.   Damien O'Hagan Coalisland
12.   Brian Dooher Clann Na Gael
13.   Peter Canavan Killyclogher Hurlers
14.   Frank McGuigan Ardboe
15.   Iggy Jones Dungannon

Players of note:
Had to drop Philly Jordan which meant I had to play Petey in there who I consider a weaker player but Impossible to leave out Sean Cavanagh on any team, on his day for he was the best in Ireland and will go down as one of the best ever! Anyone that's leaves him out hasn't a clue and needs their head checked!
Toss of a coin between Dooher and Stevie but went with Dooher because I hada fill the half forward line and the fact Dooher was the leader of the team that won the All Irelands and don't think I ever saw him play poorly!
I think Mattie has to make it also,2 all stars, Captained us to All Ireland final! He's one of few men who cud have possibly gotten on some of the winning teams in the 2000's! Another discussion another day perhaps on what current players wud have gotten on some of them teams that won the All Ireland!
Iggy Jones – Don't know much about himas in never saw him play but from what I hear he cant be left out

Two from Errigal? Suppose it's a big enough parish  ;D
However, if you're including Iggy Jones having never saw him play you'd have to include Frankie Donnelly as well.

Aww shit, dam this is hard, updated there now sure :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on March 23, 2020, 05:00:19 PM
Niall Morgan - Edendork
Joe McMahon - Omagh
Cormac McAnallen - Eglish
Ryan McMenamin - Dromore
Kevin McCabe - Clonoe
Conor Gormley - Carrickmore
Mattie Donnelly - Trillick
Eugene McKenna - Augher
Sean Cavanagh - Moy
Gerard Cavlan - Dungannon
Eoin Mulligan - Cookstown
Kevin Hughes - Killeeshil
Steven O'Neill - Clann na nGael
Frank McGuigan - Ardboe
Peter Canavan - Errigal Ciaran

I've gone for Joe McMahon in the full back line just ahead of Jon Lynch. After all Joe did nullify the threat of the twin towers in there, in an All Ireland final.

I know Mattie Donnelly doesn't play half back but I reckon he could play there the very best.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 23, 2020, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on March 23, 2020, 02:51:38 PM
1.   Niall Morgan Edendork
2.   Ricey Dromore
3.   Cormac McAnallen Eglish
4.   Tar Lynch Castlederg
5.   Petey Harte Errigal
6.   Block Gormley Carrickmore
7.   Kevin McCabe Clonoe
8.   Eugene McKenna Augher
9.   Sean Cav Moy
10.   Mattie Donnelly Trillick
11.   Damien O'Hagan Coalisland
12.   Brian Dooher Clann Na Gael
13.   Peter Canavan Errigal
14.   Frank McGuigan Ardboe
15.   Iggy Jones Dungannon

Players of note:
Had to drop Philly Jordan which meant I had to play Petey in there who I consider a weaker player but Impossible to leave out Sean Cavanagh on any team, on his day for he was the best in Ireland and will go down as one of the best ever! Anyone that's leaves him out hasn't a clue and needs their head checked!
Toss of a coin between Dooher and Stevie but went with Dooher because I hada fill the half forward line and the fact Dooher was the leader of the team that won the All Irelands and don't think I ever saw him play poorly!
I think Mattie has to make it also,2 all stars, Captained us to All Ireland final! He's one of few men who cud have possibly gotten on some of the winning teams in the 2000's! Another discussion another day perhaps on what current players wud have gotten on some of them teams that won the All Ireland!
Iggy Jones – Don't know much about himas in never saw him play but from what I hear he cant be left out

I suppose anyone who can't read the very simple rules hasn't a clue and needs their head checked too.😜 In all seriousness though, in my view, Jordan was possibly the most consistent operator of that era. Can you ever remember him having an off day. My decision may also have been influenced by the fact that I'd just watched the 2005 final a few days before doing this and whilst Jordan was outstanding Sean was on the periphery. Sean was no doubt one of the best and would make most teams but I just happened to value Jordan more. It's a game of opinions. I was gutted it meant leaving Plunkett out too. I know people care little for the rules of things these days but it also said it should only include players you have seen play, as this is the only fair way to include players. That's why I left out iggy Jones.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on March 23, 2020, 07:43:47 PM
Jordan very underrated. Paul Galvin a hugely influential player when at the peak of his game but when he met Jordan he never counted at all. Great half back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Million on March 26, 2020, 12:00:24 PM
1.   Niall Morgan - Edendork
2.   Ryan McMenamin - Dromore
3.   Ronan McNamee - Aghyaran
4.   Joe McMahon - Omagh
5.   Tiernan McCann - Killyclogher
6.   Conor Gormley - Carrickmore
7.   Mattie Donnelly - Trillick
8.   Cormac McAnallen - Eglish
9.   Kevin Hughes - Killeeshil
10.   Sean Cavanagh - Moy
11.   Gerard Cavlan - Dungannon
12.   Brian McGuigan - Ardboe
13.   Peter Canavan - Errigal Ciaran
14.   Eoin Mulligan - Cookstown
15.   Stephen O'Neill - Clann Na Gael

Frank Burns and Cathal McShane possibly could be in there somewhere, it's tough. Torn leaving Philly Jordan out although Cav has to be in there!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 26, 2020, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Million on March 26, 2020, 12:00:24 PM
1.   Niall Morgan - Edendork
2.   Ryan McMenamin - Dromore
3.   Ronan McNamee - Aghyaran
4.   Joe McMahon - Omagh
5.   Tiernan McCann - Killyclogher
6.   Conor Gormley - Carrickmore
7.   Mattie Donnelly - Trillick
8.   Cormac McAnallen - Eglish
9.   Kevin Hughes - Killeeshil
10.   Sean Cavanagh - Moy
11.   Gerard Cavlan - Dungannon
12.   Brian McGuigan - Ardboe
13.   Peter Canavan - Errigal Ciaran
14.   Eoin Mulligan - Cookstown
15.   Stephen O'Neill - Clann Na Gael

Frank Burns and Cathal McShane possibly could be in there somewhere, it's tough. Torn leaving Philly Jordan out although Cav has to be in there!

No way would you consider McShane - at this stage he's really just Leicester
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on March 26, 2020, 12:24:20 PM
Philip Jordan losing out on alot of people's lists because of his clubmate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 26, 2020, 12:37:23 PM
So McKenna is coming home again. Any hope the financial uncertainty with the AFL might keep him home this time?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 26, 2020, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: Angelo on March 26, 2020, 12:37:23 PM
So McKenna is coming home again. Any hope the financial uncertainty with the AFL might keep him home this time?

No.

You would suspect that any hope of some company throwing money at him went with McShane starting a new job then no showing since with injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 26, 2020, 02:59:26 PM
                 Morgan
McMenamin McAnallen Lynch
McCabe Gormley Jordan
    McKenna Hughes
Dooher OHagan M Donnelly
Cavlan F McGuigan Canavan

FMcConnell
P Devlin
P Donnelly
S Teague
S McLaughlin
E Kilpatrick
A Cush
O Mulligan
M Bradley

F Devlin, Hampsey, Cavanagh, Donaghy, S ONeill ruled out by club mates.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: pressupking on March 27, 2020, 09:09:45 AM
morgan
ricey
mcanallan
chris lawn
joe mcmahon
gormley
kevin mccabe
sean cavanagh
eugene mckenna
dooher
brian mcguigan
gerard cavlan
mugsy
mattie donnelly
canavan

couple of big omissions, jordan, stevie o neill, frank mcguigan - but brian mcguigan HAS to be in that team, best nr 11 ive ever had the pleasure of watching and as for dooher over o'neill no contest in my eyes - longevity, leadership, and one hell of a footballer.

Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2020, 02:59:26 PM
                 Morgan
McMenamin McAnallen Lynch
McCabe Gormley Jordan
    McKenna Hughes
Dooher OHagan M Donnelly
Cavlan F McGuigan Canavan

FMcConnell
P Devlin
P Donnelly
S Teague
S McLaughlin
E Kilpatrick
A Cush
O Mulligan
M Bradley

F Devlin, Hampsey, Cavanagh, Donaghy, S ONeill ruled out by club mates.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: pressupking on March 27, 2020, 03:25:31 PM
i know this will never happen but if this lockdown on sports activities lasts beyond end of May i would actually love to see the inter county season voided for 2020.....forget about start 2021 as we started 2020.

But im wise enough to know this will never happen becuase the money men in croke park wont allow it and they need their bonuses and holidays abroad paid for.

Every footballer in Ireland at this moment in time is in Limbo - when we do actually get back up and running the inter county season will be given precedence over the club - therefore meaning club footballers will still be in limbo.

Declare the 2020 intercounty season null and void, let the clubs take centre stage, every player in ireland will be getting the football their so badly craving at this time, no-one will be left behind.

let the clubs go hell for leather in their respective leagues June, July and August and then let the championships begin in September.

And being honest, i dont think there would be too many people disappointed if the inter county season was shelved (apart from the dinosaurs in croker and few inter country players on the top teams)

But i just know when the dust settles on all this that clubs will get shafted once again because they need euros in the door and it really shouldnt be the case.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 27, 2020, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: pressupking on March 27, 2020, 03:25:31 PM
i know this will never happen but if this lockdown on sports activities lasts beyond end of May i would actually love to see the inter county season voided for 2020.....forget about start 2021 as we started 2020.

But im wise enough to know this will never happen becuase the money men in croke park wont allow it and they need their bonuses and holidays abroad paid for.

Every footballer in Ireland at this moment in time is in Limbo - when we do actually get back up and running the inter county season will be given precedence over the club - therefore meaning club footballers will still be in limbo.

Declare the 2020 intercounty season null and void, let the clubs take centre stage, every player in ireland will be getting the football their so badly craving at this time, no-one will be left behind.

let the clubs go hell for leather in their respective leagues June, July and August and then let the championships begin in September.

And being honest, i dont think there would be too many people disappointed if the inter county season was shelved (apart from the dinosaurs in croker and few inter country players on the top teams)

But i just know when the dust settles on all this that clubs will get shafted once again because they need euros in the door and it really shouldnt be the case.

Good idea, it means every player gets football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 27, 2020, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: pressupking on March 27, 2020, 03:25:31 PM
i know this will never happen but if this lockdown on sports activities lasts beyond end of May i would actually love to see the inter county season voided for 2020.....forget about start 2021 as we started 2020.

But im wise enough to know this will never happen becuase the money men in croke park wont allow it and they need their bonuses and holidays abroad paid for.

Every footballer in Ireland at this moment in time is in Limbo - when we do actually get back up and running the inter county season will be given precedence over the club - therefore meaning club footballers will still be in limbo.

Declare the 2020 intercounty season null and void, let the clubs take centre stage, every player in ireland will be getting the football their so badly craving at this time, no-one will be left behind.

let the clubs go hell for leather in their respective leagues June, July and August and then let the championships begin in September.

And being honest, i dont think there would be too many people disappointed if the inter county season was shelved (apart from the dinosaurs in croker and few inter country players on the top teams)

But i just know when the dust settles on all this that clubs will get shafted once again because they need euros in the door and it really shouldnt be the case.

I'd be in favour of that but ideally I'd like to see the league concluded given that there's two rounds of it left and it could quite easily be done in the space of 7 days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 27, 2020, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: pressupking on March 27, 2020, 03:25:31 PM
i know this will never happen but if this lockdown on sports activities lasts beyond end of May i would actually love to see the inter county season voided for 2020.....forget about start 2021 as we started 2020.

But im wise enough to know this will never happen becuase the money men in croke park wont allow it and they need their bonuses and holidays abroad paid for.

Every footballer in Ireland at this moment in time is in Limbo - when we do actually get back up and running the inter county season will be given precedence over the club - therefore meaning club footballers will still be in limbo.

Declare the 2020 intercounty season null and void, let the clubs take centre stage, every player in ireland will be getting the football their so badly craving at this time, no-one will be left behind.

let the clubs go hell for leather in their respective leagues June, July and August and then let the championships begin in September.

And being honest, i dont think there would be too many people disappointed if the inter county season was shelved (apart from the dinosaurs in croker and few inter country players on the top teams)

But i just know when the dust settles on all this that clubs will get shafted once again because they need euros in the door and it really shouldnt be the case.

When the dust settles Sport will burst back onto the scene, the GAA won't be wanting to be seen to be lacking so for that reason alone they'll make a big deal about playing the game. That will mean intercounty football.

The GAA is possibly one of the most financially secure sporting bodies in the world, it isn't the case it needs the money.

The Club game is the poor relation. It'll be shelved. You'll see regional leagues run off ASAP with the hope (most) championships can take place around about the same time they normally would pretty much at the start of autumn.

I base that on the assumption that we can get a hold on the situation over the next 4-6 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 28, 2020, 05:38:19 PM
              Skelton
McMenamin McGarvey Lynch
McCabe Gormley JMcMahon
    McKenna SCavanagh
Cavlan  OHagan  OMulligan
SONeill F McGuigan Canavan

And that, my friend,   is a team!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on March 30, 2020, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 28, 2020, 05:38:19 PM
              Skelton
McMenamin McGarvey Lynch
McCabe Gormley JMcMahon
    McKenna SCavanagh
Cavlan  OHagan  OMulligan
SONeill F McGuigan Canavan

And that, my friend,   is a team!

Phillip Jordan - 4 All Stars.
Brian Dooher - 3 All Stars.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 30, 2020, 11:17:30 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 30, 2020, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 28, 2020, 05:38:19 PM
              Skelton
McMenamin McGarvey Lynch
McCabe Gormley JMcMahon
    McKenna SCavanagh
Cavlan  OHagan  OMulligan
SONeill F McGuigan Canavan

And that, my friend,   is a team!

Phillip Jordan - 4 All Stars.
Brian Dooher - 3 All Stars.

S'ONeill and S Cavanagh make those two against the rules.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 30, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on March 30, 2020, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 28, 2020, 05:38:19 PM
              Skelton
McMenamin McGarvey Lynch
McCabe Gormley JMcMahon
    McKenna SCavanagh
Cavlan  OHagan  OMulligan
SONeill F McGuigan Canavan

And that, my friend,   is a team!

Phillip Jordan - 4 All Stars.
Brian Dooher - 3 All Stars.
Who would you replace Cavanagh and ONeill with?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 06, 2020, 04:33:46 PM
If Philip Jordan isn't in everyone's team, then you have no business picking teams.  He was the best Half back Tyrone ever produced, ludacris the amount of people that have left him out of teams 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on April 06, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 06, 2020, 04:33:46 PM
If Philip Jordan isn't in everyone's team, then you have no business picking teams.  He was the best Half back Tyrone ever produced, ludacris the amount of people that have left him out of teams
But it means leaving out Sean Cavanagh, who is one of the best players tyrone ever produced bar none. The ones picking Jordan over him are the ones that need their head looked at.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on April 08, 2020, 03:36:20 PM
Australian Football Rules star Conor McKenna plans to return home in the next couple of years which would put him in the frame to have a senior inter-county career with Tyrone.

McKenna, 24, is back home in Ireland amid the coronavirus outbreak after having the best season of his AFL career with Essendon in 2019.

"I will be home in the next few years," McKenna told BBC Sport NI.

"Whether it's this year or next year I'm just not sure at the minute.

"I've always had the idea I'd like to return home to Eglish and if good enough for Tyrone. It's been five-and-a-half years now and I always think about the opportunity to come back.

"I didn't grow up dreaming of playing AFL, I'm very fortunate to have the opportunity at the minute, but I did grow up dreaming of playing for Tyrone, win Ulsters, win All-Irelands.

"I want to play for Eglish first and see if I can kick the ball straight, then reassess from there."

Hugely impressive Tyrone underage career
After a hugely impressive minor career with Tyrone, McKenna was promoted to the county's senior squad as a 19-year-old in the summer of 2014 but then opted to begin an AFL career later that year.

After making his Essendon debut in 2015, the Eglish native has established himself as one of the club's key players and his outstanding 2019 campaign included topping the AFL's running bounces stats.

A bout of homesickness caused McKenna to fly home to Ireland earlier this year for a couple of weeks but he returned Down Under to begin the new AFL campaign before the action was halted by the global pandemic.

These are uncertain times for the finances of sport across the globe and the AFL is no exception.

Players have taken a 50% paycut as the season is on hold and if the pandemic stretches, that paycut could rise to 80%.

McKenna's intention is to return to Melbourne after Covid-19 and see out his remaining 18 month Essendon contract.

The outside world sees Conor McKenna living the dream. A well paid job, playing in front of 95,000 people, a professional sportsman living in sunny Australia.

However homesickness is something the Tyrone man has had to battle with throughout his Australian stint.

McKenna has the best season of his AFL career in 2019
McKenna signed a four-year contract extension with Essendon in 2017
"Tyrone won the U21 All-Ireland [in 2015] and I probably would have been playing on that team.

"I lived with a host family who were lovely during the first year but it's not your own family.

"I didn't have any friends, I didn't know what to do and didn't know who to speak to.

"It's not a nice feeling. I got through it, but I still struggle with it. Six years on I'm still trying to deal with it which really shows how tough it is."

When McKenna did return home from Australia last week, he had to celebrate his 24th birthday away from his family and friends during a two-week isolation in county Donegal.

He has this advice for those feeling the impact of being lonely.

"Stay positive, feed off your family and friends. Be happy with the small stuff. Money isn't everything.

"Communicate with your family and friends, build a better relationship and just try and get through this difficult time together."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 08, 2020, 03:43:34 PM
He's giving off the air of an attention seeker at this stage. I'm sure Essendon are thrilled.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 10, 2020, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 06, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 06, 2020, 04:33:46 PM
If Philip Jordan isn't in everyone's team, then you have no business picking teams.  He was the best Half back Tyrone ever produced, ludacris the amount of people that have left him out of teams
But it means leaving out Sean Cavanagh, who is one of the best players tyrone ever produced bar none. The ones picking Jordan over him are the ones that need their head looked at.

Sorry didn't read the rules.  Cavanagh over Jordan is fair enough if you can only have 1 player per club. I retract my initial statement
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 10, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
https://www.facebook.com/693278824126385/posts/2093997304054523/?vh=e&d=n

A few minutes of indulgence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on April 10, 2020, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 10, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
https://www.facebook.com/693278824126385/posts/2093997304054523/?vh=e&d=n

A few minutes of indulgence.

What a player, his ability to come up with something big when Tyrone needed somebody to stand up was outstanding, a truly inspirational player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 10, 2020, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 10, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
https://www.facebook.com/693278824126385/posts/2093997304054523/?vh=e&d=n

A few minutes of indulgence
brilliant video, made me quite emotional actually. The excitement watching Tyrone teams in the 90s and 00s compared to the dreariness of today. Quite sad what we have become. Hope everyone keeping safe, better days will return. STG.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 12, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
Leaked Plans for GAA Championships?

Galway Bay FM Sport reporting that the GAA have indicated that Club Championships will begin in June or July - No spectators, formats redrawn to ensure each team get minimum 2 games. 8 weeks to complete from start date, which is dependent on the restrictions being eased by June.

Galway Bay FM Sport reporting that the All Ireland Finals on 18th or 25th October under current format. Capacities for all games massively reduced, if allowed at all. Provincial & All Ireland Club Championships to go into 2021.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on April 13, 2020, 08:24:51 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 12, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
Leaked Plans for GAA Championships?

Galway Bay FM Sport reporting that the GAA have indicated that Club Championships will begin in June or July - No spectators, formats redrawn to ensure each team get minimum 2 games. 8 weeks to complete from start date, which is dependent on the restrictions being eased by June.

Galway Bay FM Sport reporting that the All Ireland Finals on 18th or 25th October under current format. Capacities for all games massively reduced, if allowed at all. Provincial & All Ireland Club Championships to go into 2021.

I'd just put a line through the intercounty year, could you imagine an All Ireland final played in a half empty stadium? What's the point of it? Are the GAA just wanting to play it on to honour a few commercial deals?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on April 21, 2020, 11:38:33 AM
If the inter-county game comes back will Harte be able to look after Tyrone if there are still restrictions on the elderly? What would be the contingency if this was the case?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 21, 2020, 12:12:32 PM
Dont be worrying about who be in charge.Covid19 is in charge till a vaccine is found.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 21, 2020, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 21, 2020, 11:38:33 AM
If the inter-county game comes back will Harte be able to look after Tyrone if there are still restrictions on the elderly? What would be the contingency if this was the case?

Another point might be if no championship football is played this year, will we have seen Mickey's last game or will they give him the lost year next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 21, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
County Football in the Autumn, september onwards? Club during the summer, maybe July onwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on April 21, 2020, 10:51:02 PM
Forget about football this year lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JuniorBAllstar on April 22, 2020, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 21, 2020, 10:51:02 PM
Forget about football this year lads.

Only person that seems to be talking about of sense. Who gives a f**k about football in times like this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on April 22, 2020, 09:43:43 AM
People need football for their mental health. If we do the right things now, I'd be hopefull of salvaging either a bit of a club season or a county one, but probably not both.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 22, 2020, 09:54:57 AM
Quote from: JuniorBAllstar on April 22, 2020, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 21, 2020, 10:51:02 PM
Forget about football this year lads.

Only person that seems to be talking about of sense. Who gives a f**k about football in times like this

Yet you come onto a GAA forum....in times like this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 22, 2020, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: JuniorBAllstar on April 22, 2020, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 21, 2020, 10:51:02 PM
Forget about football this year lads.

Only person that seems to be talking about of sense. Who gives a f**k about football in times like this

So we should all sit at home in isolation and think and talk about nothing other than the impending doom? Catch a grip.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 22, 2020, 12:40:29 PM
Some doom and gloom merchants about the place. You would think a lot of people are getting a hit out of sayin we will have no football.
2 choices
Wait for a vaccine and cancel all sport for 3/4 years
Get out and get on with it whilst taking all the measures possible. (Temperature taken, Washing hands, Come to matches stripped, if sick stay away)
Let's be real lads the comedown from this will cause more deaths in the north than the virus. Now you may say it's only sport but it's a lot of people lives.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on April 22, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
As much as I'd love football to be played this Summer there's a much bigger picture here. How could we send a team out to play with a risk that one of the lads could contract this virus from a teammate or opponent? Or that someone who shows up to watch is infected? Or the physio? Is it practical to test everyone who plays, manages or attends every game up and down the country?
I know I wouldn't be putting my lad in that harm's way over the sake of a game of football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on April 22, 2020, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 22, 2020, 12:40:29 PM
Some doom and gloom merchants about the place. You would think a lot of people are getting a hit out of sayin we will have no football.
2 choices
Wait for a vaccine and cancel all sport for 3/4 years
Get out and get on with it whilst taking all the measures possible. (Temperature taken, Washing hands, Come to matches stripped, if sick stay away)
Let's be real lads the comedown from this will cause more deaths in the north than the virus. Now you may say it's only sport but it's a lot of people lives.

Its only sport.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 22, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 22, 2020, 12:40:29 PM
Some doom and gloom merchants about the place. You would think a lot of people are getting a hit out of sayin we will have no football.
2 choices
Wait for a vaccine and cancel all sport for 3/4 years
Get out and get on with it whilst taking all the measures possible. (Temperature taken, Washing hands, Come to matches stripped, if sick stay away)
Let's be real lads the comedown from this will cause more deaths in the north than the virus. Now you may say it's only sport but it's a lot of people lives.

You reckon the cure cant be worse than the disease Smurfy123?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 22, 2020, 04:44:01 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 22, 2020, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 22, 2020, 12:40:29 PM
Some doom and gloom merchants about the place. You would think a lot of people are getting a hit out of sayin we will have no football.
2 choices
Wait for a vaccine and cancel all sport for 3/4 years
Get out and get on with it whilst taking all the measures possible. (Temperature taken, Washing hands, Come to matches stripped, if sick stay away)
Let's be real lads the comedown from this will cause more deaths in the north than the virus. Now you may say it's only sport but it's a lot of people lives.

Its only sport.

Only have to read recent interviews with Ronan McNamee and Cathal McCarron etc to realise that "it's only sport", but to them it was something that kept them going in very dark days. I'm sure there are many more articles that will attest to the benefit of sport that has kept people from going or doing things, that looking back I'm sure they are very glad they did not.

What Smurfy, I think is trying to say, it's all some people have and you have no idea what might happen lads that have this focus in life now completely gone and it's a very appropriate point to make as we delve deeper into the understanding of mental health in Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on April 27, 2020, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: JuniorBAllstar on April 22, 2020, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 21, 2020, 10:51:02 PM
Forget about football this year lads.

Only person that seems to be talking about of sense. Who gives a f**k about football in times like this

Please present yourself to a trained medical practitioner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 01, 2020, 08:05:51 PM
Behind-closed-doors sports listed to resume in Phase 3 (June 29), but only where participants can resume social distancing

Team sports like Soccer and GAA projected to resume under Phase 4 (July 20), subject to limits on attendance and social distancing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Looks like no more association football will be played in front of spectators in 2020 in the big leagues.

Hard to see any intercounty GAA action this year as a result.

Think they should endeavour to finish the leagues off behind closed doors and the U20 Championship but I'd forget about the intercounty championship for this year.

Club season could conceivably go ahead as you should be able to control spectator social distancing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 01, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Looks like no more association football will be played in front of spectators in 2020 in the big leagues.

Hard to see any intercounty GAA action this year as a result.

Think they should endeavour to finish the leagues off behind closed doors and the U20 Championship but I'd forget about the intercounty championship for this year.

Club season could conceivably go ahead as you should be able to control spectator social distancing.
How do you propose the social distancing with players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 01, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 01, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Looks like no more association football will be played in front of spectators in 2020 in the big leagues.

Hard to see any intercounty GAA action this year as a result.

Think they should endeavour to finish the leagues off behind closed doors and the U20 Championship but I'd forget about the intercounty championship for this year.

Club season could conceivably go ahead as you should be able to control spectator social distancing.
How do you propose the social distancing with players
In 1 round in Tyrone acl you would have over a 1000 players involved in both reserve and senior every weekend, never mind training. Multiple that by 32 counties. You can't serious saying club football could go ahead
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2020, 08:04:03 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 01, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Looks like no more association football will be played in front of spectators in 2020 in the big leagues.

Hard to see any intercounty GAA action this year as a result.

Think they should endeavour to finish the leagues off behind closed doors and the U20 Championship but I'd forget about the intercounty championship for this year.

Club season could conceivably go ahead as you should be able to control spectator social distancing.
How do you propose the social distancing with players

It depends when contact sports will be going ahead. I presume we will get to a stage in September where they will be lifting many of the restrictions.

Without a vaccine that means social distancing is a necessity but does that mean no contact sports will be played across the world for the next 2/3 years? No, it doesn't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 02, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2020, 08:04:03 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 01, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Looks like no more association football will be played in front of spectators in 2020 in the big leagues.

Hard to see any intercounty GAA action this year as a result.

Think they should endeavour to finish the leagues off behind closed doors and the U20 Championship but I'd forget about the intercounty championship for this year.

Club season could conceivably go ahead as you should be able to control spectator social distancing.
How do you propose the social distancing with players

It depends when contact sports will be going ahead. I presume we will get to a stage in September where they will be lifting many of the restrictions.

Without a vaccine that means social distancing is a necessity but does that mean no contact sports will be played across the world for the next 2/3 years? No, it doesn't.
Professional sports that have the money to test players and keep them quartined yes, but for someone to say that club could go ahead is very naiave indeed. You don't understand what the gaa is about if that's your take on it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2020, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 02, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2020, 08:04:03 AM
Quote from: redzone on May 01, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Looks like no more association football will be played in front of spectators in 2020 in the big leagues.

Hard to see any intercounty GAA action this year as a result.

Think they should endeavour to finish the leagues off behind closed doors and the U20 Championship but I'd forget about the intercounty championship for this year.

Club season could conceivably go ahead as you should be able to control spectator social distancing.
How do you propose the social distancing with players

It depends when contact sports will be going ahead. I presume we will get to a stage in September where they will be lifting many of the restrictions.

Without a vaccine that means social distancing is a necessity but does that mean no contact sports will be played across the world for the next 2/3 years? No, it doesn't.
Professional sports that have the money to test players and keep them quartined yes, but for someone to say that club could go ahead is very naiave indeed. You don't understand what the gaa is about if that's your take on it

It's not what the GAA want, it will be what people want. There is plenty of signs of people getting restless about the lockdown. The virus is out there and it's not going away, what is being done is trying to control the spread of it so ICUs aren't swarmed.

We are far more likely to see sports at an amateur level return than high volume spectator sports, so in that essence I think we are likely to see club football return before county football in that regard. When and if will depend on the progress made against controlling the spread to an acceptable level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 10, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
https://twitter.com/tarlynch43/status/1259564767393579009?s=09

:o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on May 10, 2020, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 10, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
https://twitter.com/tarlynch43/status/1259564767393579009?s=09

:o

Anybody really surprised?

The amount of so-called 'nationalists' who use the term 'northern ireland' (omg, did I actually write that) is unreal.  It's normal among 'nationalists' in the 6 counties these days.

Personally, I blame the grammar schools.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 10, 2020, 10:07:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 10, 2020, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 10, 2020, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 10, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
https://twitter.com/tarlynch43/status/1259564767393579009?s=09

:o

Anybody really surprised?

The amount of so-called 'nationalists' who use the term 'northern ireland' (omg, did I actually write that) is unreal.  It's normal among 'nationalists' in the 6 counties these days.

Personally, I blame the grammar schools.
Interesting......Go on.
If you look on strava you would be amazed how many so called nationalists have Northern Ireland as their location
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 10, 2020, 10:27:26 PM
Strava. Grammar schools. This has potential
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 10, 2020, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 10, 2020, 10:27:26 PM
Strava. Grammar schools. This has potential

Itll be PS4 profiles next.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 07:54:06 AM
Cavanagh loves the sound of his own voice. A great player, easily top 5 of the best Tyrone have produced but I'd have a big problem with his conduct and action in his media roles since retiring.

I thought it was extremely petty the pot shots he was having at Harte a few months after he hung up the boots. Harte was still over the team and the only purpose of those comments were to undermine the manager.

Even his own clubman and ex teammate called Cavanagh out on it.

Sean Cavanagh will always look out for the interests of Sean Cavanagh. I find it very hard to warm to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 07:54:06 AM
Cavanagh loves the sound of his own voice. A great player, easily top 5 of the best Tyrone have produced but I'd have a big problem with his conduct and action in his media roles since retiring.

I thought it was extremely petty the pot shots he was having at Harte a few months after he hung up the boots. Harte was still over the team and the only purpose of those comments were to undermine the manager.

Even his own clubman and ex teammate called Cavanagh out on it.

Sean Cavanagh will always look out for the interests of Sean Cavanagh. I find it very hard to warm to him.

Moy should have washed their hands of him when he went to RTE instead of taking their Senior Team on an occasion when they couldn't get a game shifted last year.

The whole didn't know the song Black and Tans was a nonsense from him at one stage there too, the brother on the bus too. No comment would be a good one for Sean.

You could go on. Whats the point. He's been seen for what he is now anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 11, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Some people really need to out more. Classy to see the SF brigade get stuck into him straight away. Obviously as the judges of what is and isn't Irish you would expect nothing else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on May 11, 2020, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 07:54:06 AM
Cavanagh loves the sound of his own voice. A great player, easily top 5 of the best Tyrone have produced but I'd have a big problem with his conduct and action in his media roles since retiring.

I thought it was extremely petty the pot shots he was having at Harte a few months after he hung up the boots. Harte was still over the team and the only purpose of those comments were to undermine the manager.

Even his own clubman and ex teammate called Cavanagh out on it.

Sean Cavanagh will always look out for the interests of Sean Cavanagh. I find it very hard to warm to him.

Moy should have washed their hands of him when he went to RTE instead of taking their Senior Team on an occasion when they couldn't get a game shifted last year.

The whole didn't know the song Black and Tans was a nonsense from him at one stage there too, the brother on the bus too. No comment would be a good one for Sean.

You could go on. Whats the point. He's been seen for what he is now anyway.

That first bit is a really really stupid argument. How many 36 year old club footballers is there in the county? Very few because most have retired due to work and family commitments. So you want the moy to get rid of one still playing (and one of top scorers in county last year) because he missed one league game to fulfil a contract probably worth thousands of pounds over the season (and lot more long term)? Do you really think that would be wise? And do you think clubs should wash their hands of other men who retire due to work commitments?

I do think he put his point across wrongly on that podcast and I personally wouldn't have said it but his point was hundred per cent correct. Whether we like it or not we have different laws to the south.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 11, 2020, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 07:54:06 AM
Cavanagh loves the sound of his own voice. A great player, easily top 5 of the best Tyrone have produced but I'd have a big problem with his conduct and action in his media roles since retiring.

I thought it was extremely petty the pot shots he was having at Harte a few months after he hung up the boots. Harte was still over the team and the only purpose of those comments were to undermine the manager.

Even his own clubman and ex teammate called Cavanagh out on it.

Sean Cavanagh will always look out for the interests of Sean Cavanagh. I find it very hard to warm to him.

Moy should have washed their hands of him when he went to RTE instead of taking their Senior Team on an occasion when they couldn't get a game shifted last year.

The whole didn't know the song Black and Tans was a nonsense from him at one stage there too, the brother on the bus too. No comment would be a good one for Sean.

You could go on. Whats the point. He's been seen for what he is now anyway.

That first bit is a really really stupid argument. How many 36 year old club footballers is there in the county? Very few because most have retired due to work and family commitments. So you want the moy to get rid of one still playing (and one of top scorers in county last year) because he missed one league game to fulfil a contract probably worth thousands of pounds over the season (and lot more long term)? Do you really think that would be wise? And do you think clubs should wash their hands of other men who retire due to work commitments?

I do think he put his point across wrongly on that podcast and I personally wouldn't have said it but his point was hundred per cent correct. Whether we like it or not we have different laws to the south.

Sean Cavanagh was player manager of Moy last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on May 11, 2020, 03:03:12 PM
No he wasn't. He is this year though. Not many ex county men managing there own club, most away getting paid elsewhere. Even fewer doing player manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 11, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 11, 2020, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 11, 2020, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 11, 2020, 07:54:06 AM
Cavanagh loves the sound of his own voice. A great player, easily top 5 of the best Tyrone have produced but I'd have a big problem with his conduct and action in his media roles since retiring.

I thought it was extremely petty the pot shots he was having at Harte a few months after he hung up the boots. Harte was still over the team and the only purpose of those comments were to undermine the manager.

Even his own clubman and ex teammate called Cavanagh out on it.

Sean Cavanagh will always look out for the interests of Sean Cavanagh. I find it very hard to warm to him.

Moy should have washed their hands of him when he went to RTE instead of taking their Senior Team on an occasion when they couldn't get a game shifted last year.

The whole didn't know the song Black and Tans was a nonsense from him at one stage there too, the brother on the bus too. No comment would be a good one for Sean.

You could go on. Whats the point. He's been seen for what he is now anyway.

That first bit is a really really stupid argument. How many 36 year old club footballers is there in the county? Very few because most have retired due to work and family commitments. So you want the moy to get rid of one still playing (and one of top scorers in county last year) because he missed one league game to fulfil a contract probably worth thousands of pounds over the season (and lot more long term)? Do you really think that would be wise? And do you think clubs should wash their hands of other men who retire due to work commitments?

I do think he put his point across wrongly on that podcast and I personally wouldn't have said it but his point was hundred per cent correct. Whether we like it or not we have different laws to the south.

Sean Cavanagh was player manager of Moy last year.

More brains in a false face.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 11, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Some people really need to out more. Classy to see the SF brigade get stuck into him straight away. Obviously as the judges of what is and isn't Irish you would expect nothing else.

If Gregory Campbell or Jim Allister said "up here in the UK" with reference to GAA lockdown rules they'd be labelled as petty. You and all the rest of the SDLP would rightfully be criticising it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 11, 2020, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Some people really need to out more. Classy to see the SF brigade get stuck into him straight away. Obviously as the judges of what is and isn't Irish you would expect nothing else.

If Gregory Campbell or Jim Allister said "up here in the UK" with reference to GAA lockdown rules they'd be labelled as petty. You and all the rest of the SDLP would rightfully be criticising it.

No I wouldn't because I'm not a f**king republican Sinn Fein zealot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on May 11, 2020, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2020, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Some people really need to out more. Classy to see the SF brigade get stuck into him straight away. Obviously as the judges of what is and isn't Irish you would expect nothing else.

If Gregory Campbell or Jim Allister said "up here in the UK" with reference to GAA lockdown rules they'd be labelled as petty. You and all the rest of the SDLP would rightfully be criticising it.

No I wouldn't because I'm not a f**king republican Sinn Fein zealot.

Does adding "f**king" into your sentence make it more relevant?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 12, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: GJL on May 11, 2020, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2020, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Some people really need to out more. Classy to see the SF brigade get stuck into him straight away. Obviously as the judges of what is and isn't Irish you would expect nothing else.

If Gregory Campbell or Jim Allister said "up here in the UK" with reference to GAA lockdown rules they'd be labelled as petty. You and all the rest of the SDLP would rightfully be criticising it.

No I wouldn't because I'm not a f**king republican Sinn Fein zealot.

Does adding "f**king" into your sentence make it more relevant?

He's been doing everything in his power to be irrelevant on reading those visionary posts in the coronavirus thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on May 12, 2020, 05:20:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 12, 2020, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 10, 2020, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 10, 2020, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 10, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
https://twitter.com/tarlynch43/status/1259564767393579009?s=09

:o

Anybody really surprised?

The amount of so-called 'nationalists' who use the term 'northern ireland' (omg, did I actually write that) is unreal.  It's normal among 'nationalists' in the 6 counties these days.

Personally, I blame the grammar schools.
Interesting......Go on.
No? That's a pity.
How touchy. You are clearly some sort of Grammar School employee or either send your kids to a Grammar School.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 14, 2020, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: GJL on May 11, 2020, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2020, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Some people really need to out more. Classy to see the SF brigade get stuck into him straight away. Obviously as the judges of what is and isn't Irish you would expect nothing else.

If Gregory Campbell or Jim Allister said "up here in the UK" with reference to GAA lockdown rules they'd be labelled as petty. You and all the rest of the SDLP would rightfully be criticising it.

No I wouldn't because I'm not a f**king republican Sinn Fein zealot.

Does adding "f**king" into your sentence make it more relevant?

I'm exasperated with people who measure Irishness by supporting Celtic and hating everything British. They lack the ability or intelligence to understand Ireland is not owned by them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on May 20, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
James Kerr, the father of the county chair Michael has passed away this morning at home after a long illness. It got me thinking again how tough it must be to bury one of your loved ones in these horrid times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on June 20, 2020, 06:55:13 AM
Reports are conor mckenna test positive for coronavirus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 21, 2020, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL

On some level McKenna probably would too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 21, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
Any ideas of what's happening with mickeys contract? This was his supposed to be his final year. Any thought on if it will be or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 21, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
Any ideas of what's happening with mickeys contract? This was his supposed to be his final year. Any thought on if it will be or not.

Would imagine he will get the next Championship with Tyrone, if its this year, he will probably get one more year of an extension as being realistic, the season is going to be a bit of a farce this year with everything that has gone on.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL

I'd imagine most Tyrone fans would be absolutely delighted to have McKenna back lining out for the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 21, 2020, 10:12:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 21, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
Any ideas of what's happening with mickeys contract? This was his supposed to be his final year. Any thought on if it will be or not.

Would imagine he will get the next Championship with Tyrone, if its this year, he will probably get one more year of an extension as being realistic, the season is going to be a bit of a farce this year with everything that has gone on.

On the Mickey Harte situation, it is very much a catch 22 scenario. Do we want him to go? Who is 'interested' to replace him? Not too many to my knowledge.
Harte is a very hard act to follow and it will be difficult for someone to come in and improve on what is current team status. Plenty of names are discussed and bandied about but are they realistically that interested - maybe they will be in a few years time but to jump straight in after MH would bring incredible pressure and media focus.
Our 2/3 top players are all coming to the latter stages of their careers so maybe the time is right for someone to take over....not too sure anybody wants to
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 21, 2020, 10:12:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 21, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
Any ideas of what's happening with mickeys contract? This was his supposed to be his final year. Any thought on if it will be or not.

Would imagine he will get the next Championship with Tyrone, if its this year, he will probably get one more year of an extension as being realistic, the season is going to be a bit of a farce this year with everything that has gone on.

On the Mickey Harte situation, it is very much a catch 22 scenario. Do we want him to go? Who is 'interested' to replace him? Not too many to my knowledge.
Harte is a very hard act to follow and it will be difficult for someone to come in and improve on what is current team status. Plenty of names are discussed and bandied about but are they realistically that interested - maybe they will be in a few years time but to jump straight in after MH would bring incredible pressure and media focus.
Our 2/3 top players are all coming to the latter stages of their careers so maybe the time is right for someone to take over....not too sure anybody wants to

I'd imagine Canavan will be the man that will get the gig whenever it comes about but he's been out of the management gig now for a while after dipping his toes in it after his playing career wound up. Would he still want it? It would mean having to do give up his role with Sky which presumably is a nice earner for him and probably far less time consuming but Canavan was a driven player and I'm sure he'd have aspirations to try his hand at some point over Tyrone.

The next most likely would probably be Logan after the u21 success.

I think then you could be looking at someone like O'Rourke but Tyrone isn't really a county that goes outside and I don't see O'Rourke playing a brand of football than will sate the anti-Harte mob but I think it's fair to say for a good cohort of those, the football is just the proxy to have a go at Harte.

Canavan is the only name I think there that could get a real buzz back about the county, a legend of a player and he certainly knows the game and is very driven but he's completely unproven as a manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 21, 2020, 11:03:13 PM
Canavan isn't stupid enough to even think about managing Tyrone yet. There will have to be a failure or two before that. Next Tyrone manager might be 7th or 8th down any list, I doubt it will be anyone stellar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 22, 2020, 12:46:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2020, 11:12:41 PM
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. You'd probably be right to say it's time for someone new but it's going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Never beat the deeler on June 22, 2020, 02:04:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Usual kneejerk wailing from the AFL media here.

McKenna not the first to breach the rules and no contracts have been torn up yet. Brandon Zerk-Thatcher of the bombers received a one-game ban.

Not to mention he was fourth in their best and fairest last year so Essendon not looking to get rid.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
Would you even want him back anyway? Seems like a bit of a an upstart. Bans for biting, multiple breaches of discipline. It's all well and good saying he was a decent minor. He's on his way to being a wayward man by sounds of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
Would you even want him back anyway? Seems like a bit of a an upstart. Bans for biting, multiple breaches of discipline. It's all well and good saying he was a decent minor. He's on his way to being a wayward man by sounds of it.

::) ::) ::)

Yeah it's not as if we could do with the biggest prospect that has came through the county since Sean Cavanagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
You obviously didn't see him on his recent appearances over last few years for Eglish.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 22, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
Would you even want him back anyway? Seems like a bit of a an upstart. Bans for biting, multiple breaches of discipline. It's all well and good saying he was a decent minor. He's on his way to being a wayward man by sounds of it.

Yeah, lets not even give him a chance. Mobilise all the nutjobs immediately with pitchforks at Garvaghy to stand guard just in case he tries to join the county set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL

I'd imagine most Tyrone fans would be absolutely delighted to have McKenna back lining out for the county.

That's not what I said
I would love to see him playing for Tyrone if and when he decides to come home.
You would seem to hope he gets kicked out of a lifestyle he has chosen just so you can be happy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL

I'd imagine most Tyrone fans would be absolutely delighted to have McKenna back lining out for the county.

That's not what I said
I would love to see him playing for Tyrone if and when he decides to come home.
You would seem to hope he gets kicked out of a lifestyle he has chosen just so you can be happy

I'm not God. I have no controls over these things. What happens will happen but I'd be delighted to see him back in a Tyrone jersey.

Are you trying to imply that I'm practicing voodoo magic on McKenna or is there another reason behind this bizarre point you're attempting to make?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL

I'd imagine most Tyrone fans would be absolutely delighted to have McKenna back lining out for the county.

That's not what I said
I would love to see him playing for Tyrone if and when he decides to come home.
You would seem to hope he gets kicked out of a lifestyle he has chosen just so you can be happy

I'm not God. I have no controls over these things. What happens will happen but I'd be delighted to see him back in a Tyrone jersey.

Are you trying to imply that I'm practicing voodoo magic on McKenna or is there another reason behind this bizarre point you're attempting to make?
I'm curious as to why you would wish bad things to happen someone who in theory you should be happy for.

But maybe its because you are not a nice person.

Who knows ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL

I'd imagine most Tyrone fans would be absolutely delighted to have McKenna back lining out for the county.

That's not what I said
I would love to see him playing for Tyrone if and when he decides to come home.
You would seem to hope he gets kicked out of a lifestyle he has chosen just so you can be happy

I'm not God. I have no controls over these things. What happens will happen but I'd be delighted to see him back in a Tyrone jersey.

Are you trying to imply that I'm practicing voodoo magic on McKenna or is there another reason behind this bizarre point you're attempting to make?
I'm curious as to why you would wish bad things to happen someone who in theory you should be happy for.

But maybe its because you are not a nice person.

Who knows ?

Commenting on incidents that are actually happening is some way away from wishing bad on someone. This is incredibly weird behaviour by yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 10:51:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL

I'd imagine most Tyrone fans would be absolutely delighted to have McKenna back lining out for the county.

That's not what I said
I would love to see him playing for Tyrone if and when he decides to come home.
You would seem to hope he gets kicked out of a lifestyle he has chosen just so you can be happy

I'm not God. I have no controls over these things. What happens will happen but I'd be delighted to see him back in a Tyrone jersey.

Are you trying to imply that I'm practicing voodoo magic on McKenna or is there another reason behind this bizarre point you're attempting to make?
I'm curious as to why you would wish bad things to happen someone who in theory you should be happy for.

But maybe its because you are not a nice person.

Who knows ?

Commenting on incidents that are actually happening is some way away from wishing bad on someone. This is incredibly weird behaviour by yourself.

Incredibly weird ?

Ok
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 11:25:53 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 10:51:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 22, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 22, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: time ticking away on June 21, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 21, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
A lot of reports of McKenna getting a lenghtly AFL ban for breaches in relation to contracting Covid. Many people calling for his contract to be torn up and deporting him.

Given all the controversy over him in the past 12 months I think it's looking more likely he could back with Tyrone in the very near future.

Sounds to me that you would be happy if he got kicked out of the AFL

I'd imagine most Tyrone fans would be absolutely delighted to have McKenna back lining out for the county.

That's not what I said
I would love to see him playing for Tyrone if and when he decides to come home.
You would seem to hope he gets kicked out of a lifestyle he has chosen just so you can be happy

I'm not God. I have no controls over these things. What happens will happen but I'd be delighted to see him back in a Tyrone jersey.

Are you trying to imply that I'm practicing voodoo magic on McKenna or is there another reason behind this bizarre point you're attempting to make?
I'm curious as to why you would wish bad things to happen someone who in theory you should be happy for.

But maybe its because you are not a nice person.

Who knows ?

Commenting on incidents that are actually happening is some way away from wishing bad on someone. This is incredibly weird behaviour by yourself.

Incredibly weird ?

Ok

Apology accepted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 23, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 22, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
Would you even want him back anyway? Seems like a bit of a an upstart. Bans for biting, multiple breaches of discipline. It's all well and good saying he was a decent minor. He's on his way to being a wayward man by sounds of it.

Yeah, lets not even give him a chance. Mobilise all the nutjobs immediately with pitchforks at Garvaghy to stand guard just in case he tries to join the county set up.

Firstly he has now since retested....negative. Which in itself poses even more questions of this whole virus.

But not without causing god knows how much headache and financial strain on the AFL, let alone his club. He's tested negative but all the reports are he's been to house viewings (so that in itself might just kill any hope of him coming home) and travelling in and out of Australia with questions being asked of his dedication to the quarantine period.

He was an outstanding minor SIX years ago. Yes he's a professional athlete, but in effect, now too are GAA players. Not much point hoping he decides to give up being a paid athlete especially after seeing what has happened with McShane when we would be safer getting behind the men that are there right now and to come through in the next year or two such as Canavan etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 23, 2020, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 23, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 22, 2020, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 22, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
Would you even want him back anyway? Seems like a bit of a an upstart. Bans for biting, multiple breaches of discipline. It's all well and good saying he was a decent minor. He's on his way to being a wayward man by sounds of it.

Yeah, lets not even give him a chance. Mobilise all the nutjobs immediately with pitchforks at Garvaghy to stand guard just in case he tries to join the county set up.

Firstly he has now since retested....negative. Which in itself poses even more questions of this whole virus.

But not without causing god knows how much headache and financial strain on the AFL, let alone his club. He's tested negative but all the reports are he's been to house viewings (so that in itself might just kill any hope of him coming home) and travelling in and out of Australia with questions being asked of his dedication to the quarantine period.

He was an outstanding minor SIX years ago. Yes he's a professional athlete, but in effect, now too are GAA players. Not much point hoping he decides to give up being a paid athlete especially after seeing what has happened with McShane when we would be safer getting behind the men that are there right now and to come through in the next year or two such as Canavan etc.

But is he happy? He's been very public on his homesickness and he's been very public on his ambitions to return and play for Tyrone, he gave an interview to the BBC there when he was back in March when the virus shut the AFL season that he thinks he will be back in the next year or so.

"I will be home in the next few years," McKenna said..

"Whether it's this year or next year I'm just not sure at the minute.

"I've always had the idea I'd like to return home to Eglish and if good enough, for Tyrone. It's been five-and-a-half years now and I always think about the opportunity to come back.

I think his contract expires at the end of the 2021 season but given all the turmoil surrounding himself and the AFL at the minute, his homesickness, the wage reductions of AFL players, the controversy and flak he is getting as a result of the testing positive for the virus (which turned out to be a negative), it may well hasten his decision.

He was looking at leasing a house, I don't see anything unusual about that - his current lease was coming to an end and I'm sure with the AFL season just about to restart he was committed to finishing out the season anyway.

I think with all that is happening with McKenna in the past 12 months the possibility of him returning to Tyrone are looking more encouraging which would be fantastic news for Tyrone GAA.

Out of interest how many Irish lads are actually doing well for themselves there?

Tuohy and Hanley forged good careers for themselves there, McKenna is probably the most successful after them and the Kerry lad O'Connor seems to have done well.

How has Glass got on?

Generally it's only the failures that return, Kennelly came back for a year and won an All Ireland and all star with Kerry, Marty Clarke came back for a year and was probably the best player in the Championship, leading Down to an AI final and winning an all star. The small sample of the players who made it there who returned seem to have settled back in very well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 23, 2020, 10:32:27 AM
It takes an awful lot to go your way as an Irishman trying to make it in the AFL. While the concept of the game is the same, you only have to look at the International Rules (back when Australia put out their best) when the Aussies kicking of the round ball was just not natural, so for McKenna to go there and do what he has done is absolutely exceptional and a credit to him as well as getting used to the tackle which he'd have had no experience of whatsoever - Unless he played a bit of rugby as a youngster, I'm not sure.

Conor Glass has done alright, wouldn't say he set the world on fire but he played a right few games last year. He's a few years younger than McKenna so you'd be expecting for him to really step up and push through this season. Conor Nash has been with him at Hawthorne.

If you remember back to the year Kennelly came back, as the undoubted best export he wasn't great....he was physical, sure. But skill wise he was just about alright. I think he got lucky, he wasn't winning the All Ireland at many other counties I would say.

I wouldn't call them failures by any stretch but it's been hard for most to come back from the AFL and be successful - Kennelly and Clarke you are right, Ciaran Sheehan was doing rightly too there this year....although Cork have no business being in Division 3. Colm Begley was another who came back into county football well. Probably could put Caolan Mooney on the successful comeback list too.

You could then look at Dyas, Niall McKeever, O'Reilly, Ciaran Byrne, Tommy Walsh....it really is 50/50.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 23, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 23, 2020, 10:32:27 AM
It takes an awful lot to go your way as an Irishman trying to make it in the AFL. While the concept of the game is the same, you only have to look at the International Rules (back when Australia put out their best) when the Aussies kicking of the round ball was just not natural, so for McKenna to go there and do what he has done is absolutely exceptional and a credit to him as well as getting used to the tackle which he'd have had no experience of whatsoever - Unless he played a bit of rugby as a youngster, I'm not sure.

Conor Glass has done alright, wouldn't say he set the world on fire but he played a right few games last year. He's a few years younger than McKenna so you'd be expecting for him to really step up and push through this season. Conor Nash has been with him at Hawthorne.

If you remember back to the year Kennelly came back, as the undoubted best export he wasn't great....he was physical, sure. But skill wise he was just about alright. I think he got lucky, he wasn't winning the All Ireland at many other counties I would say.

I wouldn't call them failures by any stretch but it's been hard for most to come back from the AFL and be successful - Kennelly and Clarke you are right, Ciaran Sheehan was doing rightly too there this year....although Cork have no business being in Division 3. Colm Begley was another who came back into county football well. Probably could put Caolan Mooney on the successful comeback list too.

You could then look at Dyas, Niall McKeever, O'Reilly, Ciaran Byrne, Tommy Walsh....it really is 50/50.

Dyas and Walsh both tore their hamstring off the bone while in Australia, can be a career ender for some players. I thought Dyas was outstanding in the 2014 season where Armagh knocked Tyrone out and very nearly took Donegal too which would have put them in an AI semi final against Dublin. His knees gave out on him after that.

The likes of McKeever and Byrne went back to Div 3/4 counties and just didn't have the hunger for it.

Was O'Reilly ever that good?

McKaigue also had a spell in the AFL and has been a very impressive performer on a poor Derry team, O'Boyle never really looked the part for Derry but is he a similar case to O'Reilly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 23, 2020, 10:49:30 AM
Kildare are probably the county who have been hit the most in recent years by the AFL.

Flynn went and came back and looked a star forward after his stint in Australia.
Cribben has also been very impressive for Kildare since returning.
Brophy was quite a big prospect before he left but hasn't looked anything special since returning.
They also lost Hurley who I can remember destroying Tyrone in a league game at Newbridge, he went to the AFL but returned fairly quickly and hasn't made a return to the county fold but I think he's had some big injury issues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 23, 2020, 12:25:23 PM
O'Reilly was very quick, typical of what the Aussies are after. 

Sean Hurley that was, I remember that alright. You'd feel for kildare. It's tough as it is without that kind of in and out. All very good players arguably start on any county team in Ireland.

The pitch is nearly double a GAA size pitch, with the ball in play nearly twice as long. AFL is a brutal sport. Croke Park measures 145m long x 88m wide compared to the MCG which is 171m long to 146m wide. It really is survival of the fittest. Add in the heat that us Irish lads wouldn't be great with, so you have to give McKenna all the credit in the world. What McKenna Tyrone get back is another thing unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 23, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 23, 2020, 12:25:23 PM
O'Reilly was very quick, typical of what the Aussies are after. 

Sean Hurley that was, I remember that alright. You'd feel for kildare. It's tough as it is without that kind of in and out. All very good players arguably start on any county team in Ireland.

The pitch is nearly double a GAA size pitch, with the ball in play nearly twice as long. AFL is a brutal sport. Croke Park measures 145m long x 88m wide compared to the MCG which is 171m long to 146m wide. It really is survival of the fittest. Add in the heat that us Irish lads wouldn't be great with, so you have to give McKenna all the credit in the world. What McKenna Tyrone get back is another thing unfortunately.

It's certainly the big question mark if or when he does come back but he's definitely the biggest prospect Tyrone football have had since Sean Cavanagh made the breakthrough.

The two most disappointing progressions we've had at minor level in recent years have been O'Neill and Coney. Coney was a huge minor and I think his physical advantages at that grade never transformed to senior level though he did have a very promising start to senior county football, had a few really bad injuries and never seemed able to get his confidence back.

O'Neill doesn't really have the physical attributes now needed in the modern game and also had a bad cruciate injury in his first year with the senior panel, he always looks a little out of shape to me but I'd put that down to him trying to bulk up too much to make up for his naturally slight frame.

McKenna is a supreme athlete and he can play too. So far he hasn't had any serious injuries. If he was to come back, there'd be very, very few who could compete with him athletically and he has that natural maverick quality, he was a naturally two footed player, you even see his flair come across in the little snippets you see of him in the AFL. If he came back fit and well I'd see him instantly turning into one of the leading if not the best half forwards in the game.

It would be some shot in the arm for Tyrone football to have him back though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on June 23, 2020, 01:35:02 PM
Mc Kenna was/is a talent. I recall him playing for Eglish seniors in an end of season league game when he was U17( you know how that stupid rules now stops lads that age playing senior now ffs), he couldn't be marked and we had a few good defenders back then. Pace, power & balance blessed with a football brain.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 24, 2020, 12:42:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 22, 2020, 12:46:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2020, 11:12:41 PM
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. You'd probably be right to say it's time for someone new but it's going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on June 24, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 24, 2020, 12:42:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 22, 2020, 12:46:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2020, 11:12:41 PM
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. You'd probably be right to say it's time for someone new but it's going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.

Is that stat true? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 24, 2020, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 24, 2020, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 24, 2020, 12:42:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 22, 2020, 12:46:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2020, 11:12:41 PM
Harte is your Ferguson/Wenger. You'd probably be right to say it's time for someone new but it's going to be a shitshow for a good while after he goes.

I would agree mostly with that. People who back harte always state that we could do worse. Fair enough but my response to that is have you honestly went into a top teir game in the last number of years and truly believed that tyrone could win it? I haven't. tyrone have not beat dubs, kerry or mayo in a knock out game in about 7 years or so.

What's the point in playing a bland defensive game of football all year only to know that you will be knocked out against one of the teams
it's been 12 years since we beat Dublin, Kerry, mayo in championship.

Is that stat true?

Yup.

But context is important as always.

Kerry last beat Dublin in 2009
Mayo last beat Dublin in 2012.
Neither beat Dublin in the Jim Gavin era in Championship.

Tyrone have played Mayo twice in those 12 years, 2013 and 2016 and Kerry three times 2012, 2015 and 2019.

I think it just clarifies that Tyrone have been the 5th best team in the past decade.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2020, 01:52:22 PM
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 24, 2020, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2020, 01:52:22 PM
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 24, 2020, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 24, 2020, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2020, 01:52:22 PM
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.

12 years without winning against any of the top 3 is a damning statistic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 24, 2020, 07:54:34 PM
I wonder what our record against Munster and Leinster teams in the championship was like in the 115 or so years before Harte took over?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 24, 2020, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 24, 2020, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2020, 01:52:22 PM
It's a damning statistic. I think Tyrone could have beaten Kerry in that time. But Mayo and Dublin were just better teams. Mayo especially might not be remembered because they didn't win one, but they were as good a team as Dublin in my opinon. Donie Vaughan to this day probably still wonders what if.

I think we probably should have edged Kerry in 2015, missed 3 or 4 great goal chances. Last year was a mix of a criminal second half collapse and Maurice Deegan doing his best for Kerry.

Mayo were far better in 2013 but in 2016 Tyrone had the chances, even when down to 14 men to earn a draw at least.

The performances against Kerry and Mayo since 2015 haven't been bad, mistakes and missed chances have been the difference between us not winning those games.

The performances against Dublin however have been very underwhelming, the super 8s game in Omagh is the only game we've had them a little bothered coming down the final stretch.

We were nowhere near beating any of those teams at anytime in those games. Your memory is playing tricks on you. We're a laughing stock.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on June 29, 2020, 05:40:51 PM
Anyone know if the paid execs on the county board were still getting paid this last 3 months?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 29, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.
Nicro is 100% right in what he is saying. Back in 08 coney was expected to be the next big thing in Tyrone. His form at minor level was something else. He didn't make the impact everyone thought he would or oneill either but it doesn't take away from the fact that they touted as the next big thing.
He's 24 now so there is still time, but if he leaves it much longer he mighten be the galeic player he once was.
Tim kennelly should have been on the subs for kerry, that's how poor his performances were. Only the management were loyal to him and sure as everyone knows the all stars are a joke
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 29, 2020, 09:02:06 PM
This narrative from Tyrone fans that some boy is the second coming of god and that he's somehow going to come home and win tyrone an all ireland because he played well for a few games for the tyrone minors when he was 18. Hilarious.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 29, 2020, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 29, 2020, 09:02:06 PM
This narrative from Tyrone fans that some boy is the second coming of god and that he's somehow going to come home and win tyrone an all ireland because he played well for a few games for the tyrone minors when he was 18. Hilarious.

Who said that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 29, 2020, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Clarke may have been dogged with injuries but he was an absolute joy to watch in 2010 when Down got to the all Ireland final. If McKenna comes back and reaches anywhere close to that level then I'd be happy enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Mooney would walk on to any county team on the country other than Dublin. He's an elite wing back and he didn't even make the grade in the AFL.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 30, 2020, 12:42:18 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 29, 2020, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Clarke may have been dogged with injuries but he was an absolute joy to watch in 2010 when Down got to the all Ireland final. If McKenna comes back and reaches anywhere close to that level then I'd be happy enough.

But Clarke came back a different type of player. He was a big scorer all through underage but didnt have that when he returned. Mooney was a game winner before he went, he isnt that anymore.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 30, 2020, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2020, 12:42:18 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 29, 2020, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Clarke may have been dogged with injuries but he was an absolute joy to watch in 2010 when Down got to the all Ireland final. If McKenna comes back and reaches anywhere close to that level then I'd be happy enough.

But Clarke came back a different type of player. He was a big scorer all through underage but didnt have that when he returned. Mooney was a game winner before he went, he isnt that anymore.

Clarke and Mooney both were brilliant youth players and as such were top scoring players almost as a consequence. They had to do it all at that level. But Clarke always played 11 at underage and from memory Mooney was 12 in his earlier days. He was a scorer of goals rather than rattle up a big points tally. When Clarke came back he was immense, brilliant skill levels, vision....a great player. Mooney is a super player now and is now remoulded into an attacking wing back with serious pace that most good teams try to have as a counter attacking weapon. As someone said earlier, would walk into any team in Ireland except the Dubs possibly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2020, 12:42:18 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 29, 2020, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Clarke may have been dogged with injuries but he was an absolute joy to watch in 2010 when Down got to the all Ireland final. If McKenna comes back and reaches anywhere close to that level then I'd be happy enough.

But Clarke came back a different type of player. He was a big scorer all through underage but didnt have that when he returned. Mooney was a game winner before he went, he isnt that anymore.

You could say something similar about Ciaran Kilkenny when you compare him to Clarke, he's a different type of player at senior level than he was underage but he's still an absolutely top class player and one of the best in the game.

Clarke actually posted up high enough scoring numbers when he returend, mainly due to his free taking duties mind but maybe a lot of his scores underage were due to that also. He was the 5th highest scorer in the 2010 Championsip and Down's top scorer that year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 30, 2020, 09:55:04 AM
Can't agree with this Mooney making any other team in Ireland thing. He's a very athletic half back, there is an argument to be made he's not even downs best half back though with O'Hanlon having a very rough back injury and being out of sight as such.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on June 30, 2020, 10:33:35 AM
I would imagine Mooney would make most teams in Ireland.  He maybe doesn't make such a huge impact as people expect as Down wouldn't be at the highest level currently. 
Mooney playing for Dublin for example, he would play a role similar to McCaffrey, and we would laud him for it. 

On most players transitioning from minor to senior, there are very few that make the same impact as when they were younger.  Tactics in minor and senior are also different and senior games wouldn't allow for the same flexibility as a minor game would. 

On McKenna, he would slot back in fine I would imagine.  Seems to be athletic, has natural pace and has great skill, and clearly buckets of confidence.  If you Tyrone folk don't want him, Armagh will happily give him a spot. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on June 30, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
Who's the Mulgrew being referenced here? Raymond?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 30, 2020, 09:24:20 PM
Quote from: sidelineball on June 30, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
Who's the Mulgrew being referenced here? Raymond?

I'd assume its David, Ardboe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: imtommygunn on June 30, 2020, 09:27:05 PM
I'd say Raymond. Fantastic talent at a young age.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on July 01, 2020, 12:15:49 AM
Raymond Mulgrew.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on July 01, 2020, 09:26:44 AM
Surely not. A decent player but far from a wunderkind it's safe to say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 01, 2020, 09:41:56 AM
Raymond was a good a minor down as we've probably ever seen. Unfortunately it just wasn't to be.

I thought it was David as he's still playing, I don't think Raymond has kicked a ball in years now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on July 01, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
Canavan did fcuk all for Killyclogher hurlers at senior level despite a lot of noise around him at minor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 01, 2020, 10:51:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 01, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
Canavan did fcuk all for Killyclogher hurlers at senior level despite a lot of noise around him at minor.
Seanie Johnston got a minute of playtime with Coill Dubh hurlers in Kildare. Couldn't hack it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 01, 2020, 11:05:30 AM
I don't think Raymond Mulgrew really wanted it enough, Coney was pretty honest in an interview a couple of years back that he didn't work hard enough or apply himself correctly in his early years on the panel and thought that his talent alone was enough. Ronan O'Neill just didn't have the physicality to show it at senior level and had a very serious injury at 19.

I think people underestimate how difficult it is to do what Conor McKenna has done, go over at 18 and take up a sport he never played and excel at it. You probably have around 10 GAA players who sign a rookie contract on an annual basis. There's only really 4 well established players plucked from the GAA, Tuohy, Hanley, McKenna and O'Connor that are regulars or key players. I think you have a few guys like Nash, Glass and O'Riordan now who might be making a breakthrough too but the % who succeed is very low and I have absolutely no doubt that if the likes of McKenna or O'Connor returned to their respective counties now they'd both be absolutely key players for them and be likely to be in the all star hunt. Hanley and Tuohy are unlikely to come back at this stage in their careers with both in their 30s.

Clarke and Kennelly are the only two players who returned from the AFL after making it there and both proved themselves on their return as key players.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 01, 2020, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Ahhhhhh come on hi.
Mooney is a fantastic stand out player in a very average Down team. Would improve every team bar Dublin, would walk onto a Tyrone half back line
Clarke came back just in time before injuries completly wrecked him and was outstanding as a playmaker
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on July 01, 2020, 05:06:04 PM
Raymond Mulgrew was nominated for an All Star in 2006 or 2007.
He was as talented a player as the county has ever produced at underage level.
His performances for Dungannon Academy in MacRory / Hogan was exceptional.
Brilliant man of the match performance in the 2004 AI minor final, also won a Sigerson with UUJ as well. Just never worked out at senior level for one reason or other.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 01, 2020, 05:40:31 PM
Maybe it would be better in looking to see where yhe next talent is going to come from instead of past failed hopefuls. Any word on darragh or Lee brennan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on July 01, 2020, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 01, 2020, 05:40:31 PM
Maybe it would be better in looking to see where yhe next talent is going to come from instead of past failed hopefuls. Any word on darragh or Lee brennan?

Not sure if we'll see Lee Brennan in a Tyrone jersey again. He's got all the talent but not sure his willingness to adapt for the team and his size make him compatible with the modern team. We have the likes of Bradley, McCurry, possibly McAliskey to come back at some point who offer that little bit more in terms of their work rate and movement and provide a similar scoring threat. We then have guys like Canavan, T Quinn and a few other promising forwards of a similar variety coming through. He didn't have the appetite to battle it out for his place last year and I only see the competition for those places increasing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 01, 2020, 07:09:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 01, 2020, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 01, 2020, 05:40:31 PM
Maybe it would be better in looking to see where yhe next talent is going to come from instead of past failed hopefuls. Any word on darragh or Lee brennan?

Not sure if we'll see Lee Brennan in a Tyrone jersey again. He's got all the talent but not sure his willingness to adapt for the team and his size make him compatible with the modern team. We have the likes of Bradley, McCurry, possibly McAliskey to come back at some point who offer that little bit more in terms of their work rate and movement and provide a similar scoring threat. We then have guys like Canavan, T Quinn and a few other promising forwards of a similar variety coming through. He didn't have the appetite to battle it out for his place last year and I only see the competition for those places increasing.

Had actually forgot about Bradley. Would like to see McAliskey back next year. Combination of him, mcshane and Bradley would be good. I thought Lee played well he had 1 or 2 poor games but overall thought he was a very talented player.

In the next 1 or 2 years it will be interesting to see if many players come back to tyrone if this is mickeys last year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 01, 2020, 10:50:18 PM
Is there a date set for the u20 sf against Dublin?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 01, 2020, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 01, 2020, 10:50:18 PM
Is there a date set for the u20 sf against Dublin?
Semi Final Saturday 17th October and the final is the following saturday the 24th.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 05, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
Sunday life today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaagaagaa20 on July 05, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 05, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
Sunday life today.
Certainly makes for intresting reading
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2020, 03:18:51 PM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on July 05, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 05, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
Sunday life today.
Certainly makes for intresting reading

What's in it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 05, 2020, 03:34:11 PM
It's a shitty headline.. he's not exactly a Tyrone GAA Star. Did he even play a championship game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: pbat on July 05, 2020, 03:35:47 PM
Mickey will probably write him a glowing reference for his trial.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Estimator on July 05, 2020, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 05, 2020, 03:34:11 PM
It's a shitty headline.. he's not exactly a Tyrone GAA Star. Did he even play a championship game?

One C'ship appearance - Fermanagh 2003
4 NFL appearances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 05, 2020, 04:55:42 PM
Typical Anti Gaa reporting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on July 05, 2020, 10:25:59 PM
Think he was the first player to win All-Ireland's at Senior and Masters levels.
What would he be looking at for this if found guilty? 15-20 years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 06, 2020, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 05, 2020, 10:25:59 PM
Think he was the first player to win All-Ireland's at Senior and Masters levels.
What would he be looking at for this if found guilty? 15-20 years?

You would imagine it depends on if he talks or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 06, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Couldnt read the whole article but did it name the other 5 boys or did it just focus on the GAA player..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 06, 2020, 11:09:22 AM
Yes the other 5 were also named
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 06, 2020, 11:29:09 AM
Fair enough cheers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 06, 2020, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 06, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Couldnt read the whole article but did it name the other 5 boys or did it just focus on the GAA player..

Headline focuses on the GAA link. Sure ffs, every man in tyrone in his 20s is a "GAA star" if that's the case.
What club was he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 06, 2020, 01:43:42 PM
Errigal C
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hereiam on July 06, 2020, 05:07:08 PM
Living in Killyman and buying up sites this last while building one off houses on them, nobody could understand where the money was coming from but now we know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 06, 2020, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on July 06, 2020, 05:07:08 PM
Living in Killyman and buying up sites this last while building one off houses on them, nobody could understand where the money was coming from but now we know.

Be going on the cheap shortly though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on July 06, 2020, 05:38:49 PM
No word on Ballybofey and exact date yet?

Do children still throw eggs at cars on Hallowe'en night?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 07, 2020, 12:18:34 PM
The eggs are now all deflected           ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 20, 2020, 11:51:00 AM
Matty Donnelly back playing for the club yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 28, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Cathal Mc Shane was fairly flying in Donegal at the weekend.In his car not on the pitch lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 28, 2020, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 06, 2020, 05:38:49 PM
No word on Ballybofey and exact date yet?

Do children still throw eggs at cars on Hallowe'en night?

You'll be going to Dublin for that one I'd say if the low death rate continues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 28, 2020, 09:49:38 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 28, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Cathal Mc Shane was fairly flying in Donegal at the weekend.In his car not on the pitch lol.

Just tested the knee out is all I think, must have locked on him the crater.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on July 30, 2020, 03:11:35 PM
Toxic car culture
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 10:30:16 AM
McShane out for the rest of the year after undergoing further surgery on his ankle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on August 10, 2020, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 10:30:16 AM
McShane out for the rest of the year after undergoing further surgery on his ankle.

better taking the time to get it right now than have it nagging on for years to come.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on August 10, 2020, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 10, 2020, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 10:30:16 AM
McShane out for the rest of the year after undergoing further surgery on his ankle.

better taking the time to get it right now than have it nagging on for years to come.

Was there an issue with it or did he get injured again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 10, 2020, 02:30:30 PM
If your travelling at 170 kms be good chance of a little jarring lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 02:56:28 PM
The Championship is going to be farcical this year in any case.

I'd be very surprised if Tyrone beat Donegal and I'd say there is a fair chance it might not go ahead at all. Makes more sense to play off the remaining two rounds of the league and start afresh around March straight into League action.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on August 10, 2020, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 02:56:28 PM
The Championship is going to be farcical this year in any case.

I'd be very surprised if Tyrone beat Donegal and I'd say there is a fair chance it might not go ahead at all. Makes more sense to play off the remaining two rounds of the league and start afresh around March straight into League action.

But what about the coin?

Thats all the top brass are really interested in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 10, 2020, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 02:56:28 PM
The Championship is going to be farcical this year in any case.

I'd be very surprised if Tyrone beat Donegal and I'd say there is a fair chance it might not go ahead at all. Makes more sense to play off the remaining two rounds of the league and start afresh around March straight into League action.

But what about the coin?

Thats all the top brass are really interested in

But we're still at a point where only 200/400 people can attend club games. Is it really going to improve much before the end of the year?

It's going to be a farce of a championship this year, whoever wins it will have a big asterisk landed beside their name.

Imagine an All Ireland final played in December where attendance is limited to 10k or something like that? There's no real point.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on August 10, 2020, 09:59:27 PM
Living in a covid /pandemic era might be a situation that needs to be managed for the next 10 years. Nobody yet knows. We have to get on with things as best we can.
There were all Ireland's won in difficult eras before now. Wars/ the troubles etc Not one asterisk against any of those wins.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on August 11, 2020, 07:50:32 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 10, 2020, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 02:56:28 PM
The Championship is going to be farcical this year in any case.

I'd be very surprised if Tyrone beat Donegal and I'd say there is a fair chance it might not go ahead at all. Makes more sense to play off the remaining two rounds of the league and start afresh around March straight into League action.

But what about the coin?

Thats all the top brass are really interested in

But we're still at a point where only 200/400 people can attend club games. Is it really going to improve much before the end of the year?

It's going to be a farce of a championship this year, whoever wins it will have a big asterisk landed beside their name.

Imagine an All Ireland final played in December where attendance is limited to 10k or something like that? There's no real point.

The TV money.

It doesnt matter how many are at the games - if they are ran off then the money comes in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2020, 08:01:36 AM
The TV money is small in comparison to the gate receipts. If the county season comes back there will be tv money but there will also be a lot of costs associated with running county teams. The season certainly wouldn't generate any fortune without any crowds.

And this business of the gaa only wanting the money is a load of nonsense. If that's all they were interested in (and the tv was going to generate so much money) then they'd be playing the county season right now instead of club football and not waiting to later in the year when there is a far greater risk of things being cancelled.

I'm with rrhf on this one. If it's possible under the current guidelines play away at the county season. Give everyone some sort of an interest during autumn/winter other than premier league soccer. You here people say scrap it to March etc when it is highly likely things then won't be any different to now. You'd think from some people's comments that come 31/12/2020 covid is going to end and everything will just go back to normal. It's something we're going to have to get used to for a while and adopt round it and get on with things as best we can without taking huge risks at times when there is large outbreaks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on August 11, 2020, 08:40:00 AM
The county board needs to raise as much money through these tv receipts as possible. Let's not be miserable, and subscribe. We need to help as much as we can here. I would have liked to seen teamtalkmag get a greater influence as they got the ball rolling years ago but the reality is is that anything generated helps us all here and stops the county falling further into debt. Support it if we can.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 11, 2020, 09:22:03 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2020, 08:01:36 AM
The TV money is small in comparison to the gate receipts. If the county season comes back there will be tv money but there will also be a lot of costs associated with running county teams. The season certainly wouldn't generate any fortune without any crowds.

And this business of the gaa only wanting the money is a load of nonsense. If that's all they were interested in (and the tv was going to generate so much money) then they'd be playing the county season right now instead of club football and not waiting to later in the year when there is a far greater risk of things being cancelled.

I'm with rrhf on this one. If it's possible under the current guidelines play away at the county season. Give everyone some sort of an interest during autumn/winter other than premier league soccer. You here people say scrap it to March etc when it is highly likely things then won't be any different to now. You'd think from some people's comments that come 31/12/2020 covid is going to end and everything will just go back to normal. It's something we're going to have to get used to for a while and adopt round it and get on with things as best we can without taking huge risks at times when there is large outbreaks.

Can't imagine too many counties landing to training with no changing room or gyms open prior. It's all been a trial for the county and to buy as much time as possible.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2020, 07:41:51 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 11, 2020, 07:50:32 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 10, 2020, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 10, 2020, 02:56:28 PM
The Championship is going to be farcical this year in any case.

I'd be very surprised if Tyrone beat Donegal and I'd say there is a fair chance it might not go ahead at all. Makes more sense to play off the remaining two rounds of the league and start afresh around March straight into League action.

But what about the coin?

Thats all the top brass are really interested in

But we're still at a point where only 200/400 people can attend club games. Is it really going to improve much before the end of the year?

It's going to be a farce of a championship this year, whoever wins it will have a big asterisk landed beside their name.

Imagine an All Ireland final played in December where attendance is limited to 10k or something like that? There's no real point.

The TV money.

It doesnt matter how many are at the games - if they are ran off then the money comes in

County teams cost big money to run, if gate receipts are rattled, how will county boards fund them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on August 18, 2020, 05:06:29 PM
The crowds that HQ were hoping for are no longer.Be unlikely County action will go ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on August 18, 2020, 11:36:27 PM
Are they training yet even?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2020, 12:14:29 PM
http://hoganstand.com/article/index/312457?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Darren McCurry hoping the inter-county season doesn't go ahead??? Surely this isn't a good mindset for us? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 01, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
It'll be a short enough inter county season, Donegal will win if it's not moved anyway.

The lad has probably just answered honestly, not major news. I would imagine 99% of players probably thinking the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 01, 2020, 01:23:30 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2020, 12:14:29 PM
http://hoganstand.com/article/index/312457?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Darren McCurry hoping the inter-county season doesn't go ahead??? Surely this isn't a good mindset for us?

Can't really see much wrong with what he said. I personally would be in favour of just finishing the two league games out and provisionally plan for returning intercounty in Jan/Feb if things have improved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 01, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
It'll be a short enough inter county season, Donegal will win if it's not moved anyway.

The lad has probably just answered honestly, not major news. I would imagine 99% of players probably thinking the same.
Surely the wet ground shouldn't have that much of an impact? Can't be that bad that you don't want to play?
Most inter-country grounds would have great surfaces anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on September 01, 2020, 02:20:56 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 01, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 01, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
It'll be a short enough inter county season, Donegal will win if it's not moved anyway.

The lad has probably just answered honestly, not major news. I would imagine 99% of players probably thinking the same.
Surely the wet ground shouldn't have that much of an impact? Can't be that bad that you don't want to play?
Most inter-country grounds would have great surfaces anyway

Don't think he is talking about the wet ballybofey turf...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 08, 2020, 06:22:27 AM
Angelo will be a happy man with mckennas return home for good. Hopefully it's the missing piece
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 07:22:03 AM
Great stuff.

He's coming back at the right time, still only 24.

I suspect he will line out at half forward if it when he does join the county set up.

I
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 08, 2020, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 07:22:03 AM
Great stuff.

He's coming back at the right time, still only 24.

I suspect he will line out at half forward if it when he does join the county set up.

I
Anywhere in the middle 8
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 09:10:57 AM
The board will be good around Hallowe'en now.

McKenna comes on against Donegal, drops a ball. Donegal go down pitch. Score.

Gaaboard demands his head.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 08, 2020, 09:39:03 AM
With no McShane this year, what's the chances of him being drafted into county panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 09:54:20 AM
He'll be there 100%, if he plays any game time is another thing. Definitely don't see him in anyway replacing McShane though...I'd say Paul Donaghy is eyeing up that spot after his championship so far.

Tyrone will be up against it in Donegal, Harte isn't exactly known for taking gambles. Although he can look forward to a 7 month pre season for 2021. Maybe Donaghy too.

Don't think McKenna thought this fully through.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 08, 2020, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 09:54:20 AM
He'll be there 100%, if he plays any game time is another thing. Definitely don't see him in anyway replacing McShane though...I'd say Paul Donaghy is eyeing up that spot after his championship so far.

Tyrone will be up against it in Donegal, Harte isn't exactly known for taking gambles. Although he can look forward to a 7 month pre season for 2021. Maybe Donaghy too.

Don't think McKenna thought this fully through.
I can't see him being their this season. I think hes the type of lad who would rather get a full year.. Do you think Harte will be bringing in new boys like Donaghy this year?? Didn't think he would be?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 08, 2020, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 09:54:20 AM
He'll be there 100%, if he plays any game time is another thing. Definitely don't see him in anyway replacing McShane though...I'd say Paul Donaghy is eyeing up that spot after his championship so far.

Tyrone will be up against it in Donegal, Harte isn't exactly known for taking gambles. Although he can look forward to a 7 month pre season for 2021. Maybe Donaghy too.

Don't think McKenna thought this fully through.

I think it's pretty clear from his interviews that he's done nothing but think about it for the last six years.

7 month pre-season? If the proposed changes go through, Inter County would take place January to July (ish) so they'd be back out pretty soon.

No doubt Ulster Uni will be after him as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 08, 2020, 10:13:28 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 09:10:57 AM
The board will be good around Hallowe'en now.

McKenna comes on against Donegal, drops a ball. Donegal go down pitch. Score.

Gaaboard demands his head.

Or........McKenna comes on bursts through the Donegal defence and rattles a goal to put us through.  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 10:15:16 AM
No idea what Harte will do, Tyrone can start training again (properly....) from the 14th, isn't that right? So that would rule out any Dungannon players being called up for now.

Not too sure what the plans for next year are in truth - I had just assumed they would stay as was....back to National League Feb on.

I believe McKenna is coming home to open a gym apparently....so maybe a handy business course in UUJ or Queens would make sense and tie all in. Why not? His AFL experience alone will be worth it's weight in gold.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 08, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 10:15:16 AM
No idea what Harte will do, Tyrone can start training again (properly....) from the 14th, isn't that right? So that would rule out any Dungannon players being called up for now.

Not too sure what the plans for next year are in truth - I had just assumed they would stay as was....back to National League Feb on.

I believe McKenna is coming home to open a gym apparently....so maybe a handy business course in UUJ or Queens would make sense and tie all in. Why not? His AFL experience alone will be worth it's weight in gold.

Agreed. I thought it was 14th October for return to County training?

I think the GAA, GPA and CPA are all in agreement for the first time to split the season so I'd thought they might push that through Congress before the start of next season. Maybe not though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2019, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 12, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
Donaghy brutal in both championship games anyway. The real question is, are you f**king clueless?

If he is kicking scores from play at the frequency he does when he's brutal then that's an encouraging sign.

Donaghy certainly deserves a chance with Tyrone given his club form and how he has down with Tyrone at underage.

I like the way topofthesoil has now deleted this post.  ;D

Donaghy may not be the answer but he's a completely different option to what we have up front. Certainly worth a chance, it will be interesting to see what Harte does with the squad this year and next - whether he will shake it up or not.

I feel sorry for someone like Daniel Kerr, he got 35 minutes against a gale force win against Kerry. I hope Harte give someone like him a few more opportunities over guys who have been there a good few years now and not really done it.

There will certainly be pressure on to bring in the likes of McKenna, Donaghy and Quinn now and potentially returns for Brennan and McAliskey so I'd imagine our forward line will see some changes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 11:22:08 AM
I don't think it will matter Angelo. The lot of them could be called up but we'll still see 1 up top and 14 worker bees which rules out a large majority of anyone we all wish to name, there's Harry Loughran and Ronan McHugh still in and around too who would have the profile to fill in for McShane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 08, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2019, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 12, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
Donaghy brutal in both championship games anyway. The real question is, are you f**king clueless?

If he is kicking scores from play at the frequency he does when he's brutal then that's an encouraging sign.

Donaghy certainly deserves a chance with Tyrone given his club form and how he has down with Tyrone at underage.

I like the way topofthesoil has now deleted this post.  ;D

Donaghy may not be the answer but he's a completely different option to what we have up front. Certainly worth a chance, it will be interesting to see what Harte does with the squad this year and next - whether he will shake it up or not.

I feel sorry for someone like Daniel Kerr, he got 35 minutes against a gale force win against Kerry. I hope Harte give someone like him a few more opportunities over guys who have been there a good few years now and not really done it.

There will certainly be pressure on to bring in the likes of McKenna, Donaghy and Quinn now and potentially returns for Brennan and McAliskey so I'd imagine our forward line will see some changes.
Daniel classy footballer and top class forward, definitely deserves more chances.

McKenna and Donaghy are must starts in my eyes.

Can't see McAliskey returning unless there's a management change and that's obviously not happening & Lee Brennen does not want to sit on the bench

Which Quinn?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 11:55:39 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 08, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 12, 2019, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: topofthesoil on October 12, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
Donaghy brutal in both championship games anyway. The real question is, are you f**king clueless?

If he is kicking scores from play at the frequency he does when he's brutal then that's an encouraging sign.

Donaghy certainly deserves a chance with Tyrone given his club form and how he has down with Tyrone at underage.

I like the way topofthesoil has now deleted this post.  ;D

Donaghy may not be the answer but he's a completely different option to what we have up front. Certainly worth a chance, it will be interesting to see what Harte does with the squad this year and next - whether he will shake it up or not.

I feel sorry for someone like Daniel Kerr, he got 35 minutes against a gale force win against Kerry. I hope Harte give someone like him a few more opportunities over guys who have been there a good few years now and not really done it.

There will certainly be pressure on to bring in the likes of McKenna, Donaghy and Quinn now and potentially returns for Brennan and McAliskey so I'd imagine our forward line will see some changes.
Daniel classy footballer and top class forward, definitely deserves more chances.

McKenna and Donaghy are must starts in my eyes.

Can't see McAliskey returning unless there's a management change and that's obviously not happening & Lee Brennen does not want to sit on the bench

Which Quinn?

Why so on McAliskey?

Bradley, O'Neill and McCurry have all taken a year out and returned the next year and McAliskey's exit seemed to be fairly diplomatic.

Think McAliskey still has a lot to offer if he is willing to come back.

Tiernan Quinn, I know he's still u20 this year but he'll be in the reckoning for a call up in 2021.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 08, 2020, 11:22:08 AM
I don't think it will matter Angelo. The lot of them could be called up but we'll still see 1 up top and 14 worker bees which rules out a large majority of anyone we all wish to name, there's Harry Loughran and Ronan McHugh still in and around too who would have the profile to fill in for McShane.

Did McHugh not drop himself off before the league?

He's had injuries but I'd rather he got a few more opportunities as he is a natural forward with a bit of presence.

I'm not really sure what Loughran is, he played a lot of his football as a wingback but has played as a forward in recent years and it's clear he has an eye for goal but between injuries  and everything else I think that ship might have sailed.

If all our best forwards make themselves available then I struggle to see a role for Ronan O'Neill anymore. He would be behind McCurry, McAliskey, Brennan and Bradley if they were all in and I don't think you can pick more than two of those at one time - and that's not considering some of the younger lads coming through now.

It's probably time to move on the likes of C McCann, O'Neill, Loughran and a few others - they've been there for a few years but haven't ever really looked like nailing a place down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
Aiden Mc crory and Peter Harte could make way for some fresh talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 08, 2020, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
Aiden Mc crory and Peter Harte could make way for some fresh talent.

You'd get rid of Peter Harte? One of our best players?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2020, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
Aiden Mc crory and Peter Harte could make way for some fresh talent.

You'd get rid of Peter Harte? One of our best players?
consistently a flop on the big days, last year's county final and as for last Saturday night.... dropped a 21 yard free into keepers hands in a club game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 08, 2020, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
Aiden Mc crory and Peter Harte could make way for some fresh talent.

You'd get rid of Peter Harte? One of our best players?
consistently a flop on the big days, last year's county final and as for last Saturday night.... dropped a 21 yard free into keepers hands in a club game.

He's also consistently one of Tyrone's best players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
Good baller but way over rated. Has been a flop in too many big games for my liking. If other players had got the chances for Tyrone that he got.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
Good baller but way over rated. Has been a flop in too many big games for my liking. If other players had got the chances for Tyrone that he got.

He hasn't done enough in the big games but the same could be levelled at other big name players, Mattie Donnelly has had a lot of very underwhelming performance in recent years.

Over the past decade the top 4 performers for Tyrone have been the two Cavanaghs, Harte and Donnelly.

I think Petey should play in the full forward line any more, he was excellent there in the league game against Dublin. He is too easily tagged in the middle of the pitch and gets zero protection from match officials as we saw against Kerry last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
No doubt Mickey will find a place for him anyway. He must have played every position at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on September 08, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
No doubt Mickey will find a place for him anyway. He must have played every position at this stage.

Anyone read big Finbarr's article in Gaelic Life? Legend of a Gael. Maybe we need to look at his suggestion and get Niall Morgan into the front 6, excellent outfielder. And as you say a position will be found for Petey so maybe he could be the sweeper keeper / our version of Cluxton? Petey Donnelly been doing the same job for the Island so it makes sense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 01:53:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
No doubt Mickey will find a place for him anyway. He must have played every position at this stage.

I'm embarrassed for you.  :D



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 08, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
Good baller but way over rated. Has been a flop in too many big games for my liking. If other players had got the chances for Tyrone that he got.

+ 1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 08, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
Good baller but way over rated. Has been a flop in too many big games for my liking. If other players had got the chances for Tyrone that he got.

+ 1

I'd say if you ask people outside the county to name the current 3 best players in the Tyrone panel, Peter would be in most people's current top 3.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 08, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
Good baller but way over rated. Has been a flop in too many big games for my liking. If other players had got the chances for Tyrone that he got.

+ 1

I'd say if you ask people outside the county to name the current 3 best players in the Tyrone panel, Peter would be in most people's current top 3.
of course he would. Sure he has never been subbed since he joined the panel so he must play deadly in every game right?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:04:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 08, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
If you're gonna start getting rid of Tyrone players who "flop" in big games, you've some readin out to do before you get to Peter Harte. They've barely won one in 12 years!
Peter Harte has played in most of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 08, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
Good baller but way over rated. Has been a flop in too many big games for my liking. If other players had got the chances for Tyrone that he got.

+ 1

I'd say if you ask people outside the county to name the current 3 best players in the Tyrone panel, Peter would be in most people's current top 3.
of course he would. Sure he has never been subbed since he joined the panel so he must play deadly in every game right?

You do realise that makes no sense. Do you have to play deadly in every game to be picked? I'd imagine we would struggle to field a team if that's the case. Just accept that your opinion differs greatly to the vast majority of GAA people and that there's a fair chance your wrong. (Or got an agenda to pursue). 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
You don't have to play deadly every game but if you play shite you deserve to get took off unless your uncle Mickey is the manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
You don't have to play deadly every game but if you play shite you deserve to get took off unless your uncle Mickey is the manager.

Did Mickey Harte ever take Sean Cavanagh off if he was having a bad game?

Does he ever take Mattie Donnelly off if he's having a bad game?

Would he take Cathal McShane off anymore if he's having a bad game?

You generally keep your most dangerous and influential players on the pitch.

Harte was having a pretty indifferent AI semi final against Monaghan in 2018 but came to life in the last 15 minutes and was influential is us winning that match. That's what he is capable of and we have very few players as talented and capable as he is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:29:11 PM
Did Harte not take Sean cavanagh off against Dublin in 2017 semi? And it his last game, but then they weren't related.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 08, 2020, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
You don't have to play deadly every game but if you play shite you deserve to get took off unless your uncle Mickey is the manager.

And what if your consistently in the top performers on the team? Even in the days when Peter's poor he's usually taking up a lot of the opponents attention. And there's plenty of other people who have had shite games and haven't been taken off as well. Maybe they're all related to Mickey.

As I said your an embarrassment.  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:33:04 PM
It's all irrelevant anyway as long as Mickey is manager.  I wonder was Jim Gavin watching the games the last 2 weekends?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 03:56:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:29:11 PM
Did Harte not take Sean cavanagh off against Dublin in 2017 semi? And it his last game, but then they weren't related.

Maybe he wanted him to get an ovation?

He took his nephew off at half time against Antrim last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 04:15:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 08, 2020, 03:56:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 03:29:11 PM
Did Harte not take Sean cavanagh off against Dublin in 2017 semi? And it his last game, but then they weren't related.

Maybe he wanted him to get an ovation?

He took his nephew off at half time against Antrim last year.
ye wouldn't get much of an ovation against Antrim.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 08, 2020, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: tiempo on September 08, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 08, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
No doubt Mickey will find a place for him anyway. He must have played every position at this stage.

Anyone read big Finbarr's article in Gaelic Life? Legend of a Gael. Maybe we need to look at his suggestion and get Niall Morgan into the front 6, excellent outfielder. And as you say a position will be found for Petey so maybe he could be the sweeper keeper / our version of Cluxton? Petey Donnelly been doing the same job for the Island so it makes sense

Are you saying put Peter Harte in nets??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 08, 2020, 07:26:06 PM
The anti petie Harte campaign. One of the most consistent performers at a very high level for 10 years. Only a blinded individual could come out with that crap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 09, 2020, 08:02:51 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 08, 2020, 07:26:06 PM
The anti petie Harte campaign. One of the most consistent performers at a very high level for 10 years. Only a blinded individual could come out with that crap.
Exactly, 10 years, I don't disagree with you, he has been.. But that's our problem, we hang on to players because they were good in the past instead of shipping them out and building new teams with fresh talent.

Not saying we should get rid of P Harte, i'm just saying his best days may be gone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on September 09, 2020, 08:04:53 AM
I agree. Granted he isnt the best player in the world on every occasion Tyrone have gone out but the great Jim Gavin has been willing to change things to nullify him as if that job is done Tyrone are very often beat.
If he wasn't Mickey's nephew this wouldn't be happening i suspect, but due to the inclusion of a lot of Errigal players who were not up to the required standard, people have chosen to blame Petey and it isnt his fault.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
Just to be clear I'm not blaming Peter Harte or any other Tyrone player for that matter. Mickey is the man that needs shifted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 09, 2020, 08:26:41 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
Just to be clear I'm not blaming Peter Harte or any other Tyrone player for that matter. Mickey is the man that needs shifted.
Just to be clear, you were trying to say PH selection was due to his relationship with MH. No point starting to backtrack now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 09, 2020, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
Just to be clear I'm not blaming Peter Harte or any other Tyrone player for that matter. Mickey is the man that needs shifted.
Unfortunately he decides when he wants to shift..

And he has this power because he won 3 All Ireland over a decade ago..

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 09, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 09, 2020, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
Just to be clear I'm not blaming Peter Harte or any other Tyrone player for that matter. Mickey is the man that needs shifted.
Unfortunately he decides when he wants to shift..

And he has this power because he won 3 All Ireland over a decade ago..

Do you lads really think if lets say, Malachy o'Rourke or someone else got the job that they wouldn't include Peter Harte in the squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Course he would be in the squad, but if he played shit he would be took off and maybe spend few games on the bench. Might do him no harm. The favouritism stinks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 09, 2020, 01:18:52 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Course he would be in the squad, but if he played shit he would be took off and maybe spend few games on the bench. Might do him no harm. The favouritism stinks.

Teams rarely bench their best players regardless if whether they are playing poorly?

Have Mayo ever taken off Aidan O'Shea or Cillian O'Connor in big games where they have struggled? And there have been quite a few of those with those two players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/09/news/is-conor-mckenna-the-only-missing-piece-for-tyrone--2060537/

Decent article, would be wise to maybe play down the return of McKenna considering.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 09, 2020, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 09, 2020, 01:18:52 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Course he would be in the squad, but if he played shit he would be took off and maybe spend few games on the bench. Might do him no harm. The favouritism stinks.

Teams rarely bench their best players regardless if whether they are playing poorly?

Have Mayo ever taken off Aidan O'Shea or Cillian O'Connor in big games where they have struggled? And there have been quite a few of those with those two players.

They're prob related to Mickey Harte as well. His reach knows no bounds.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on September 09, 2020, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/09/news/is-conor-mckenna-the-only-missing-piece-for-tyrone--2060537/

Decent article, would be wise to maybe play down the return of McKenna considering.
He mentions that there are only two players from the 2013 minor side in the current squad - McShane was in that side too though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 05:26:16 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 09, 2020, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 09, 2020, 01:18:52 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 09, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Course he would be in the squad, but if he played shit he would be took off and maybe spend few games on the bench. Might do him no harm. The favouritism stinks.

Teams rarely bench their best players regardless if whether they are playing poorly?

Have Mayo ever taken off Aidan O'Shea or Cillian O'Connor in big games where they have struggled? And there have been quite a few of those with those two players.

They're prob related to Mickey Harte as well. His reach knows no bounds.
indeed his reach knows no bounds, right to the top of the county board it seems.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 10, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 09, 2020, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/09/news/is-conor-mckenna-the-only-missing-piece-for-tyrone--2060537/

Decent article, would be wise to maybe play down the return of McKenna considering.
He mentions that there are only two players from the 2013 minor side in the current squad - McShane was in that side too though.

McShane didn't start that day however.

Sean Fox (Ceapach); Colm Byrne (An Eaglais), Rhys Quinn (Cluain Eo), Cillian McCann (Fionntamhnach); Shea Hamill (Domhnach Mor), Christopher Morris (Gallbhaile), Padraig McGirr (Aireagal Chiarain), Ronan Nugent (Gallbhaile), Frank Burns (Cabhan a'Chaotainn), David Mulgrew (Ard Bo), Conor McKenna (An Eaglais), Ruairi McGlone (Achadh Lu), Lee Brennan (Tri Leac) Daire Gallagher  (Tri Leac), Stephen McGrath (Doire Lochain).

Always thought Ronan Nugent is a decent player who has probably deserved an McKenna Cup call up in recent years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on September 10, 2020, 08:19:22 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 10, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 09, 2020, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/09/news/is-conor-mckenna-the-only-missing-piece-for-tyrone--2060537/

Decent article, would be wise to maybe play down the return of McKenna considering.
He mentions that there are only two players from the 2013 minor side in the current squad - McShane was in that side too though.

McShane didn't start that day however.

Sean Fox (Ceapach); Colm Byrne (An Eaglais), Rhys Quinn (Cluain Eo), Cillian McCann (Fionntamhnach); Shea Hamill (Domhnach Mor), Christopher Morris (Gallbhaile), Padraig McGirr (Aireagal Chiarain), Ronan Nugent (Gallbhaile), Frank Burns (Cabhan a'Chaotainn), David Mulgrew (Ard Bo), Conor McKenna (An Eaglais), Ruairi McGlone (Achadh Lu), Lee Brennan (Tri Leac) Daire Gallagher  (Tri Leac), Stephen McGrath (Doire Lochain).

Always thought Ronan Nugent is a decent player who has probably deserved an FBD call up in recent years.

Maybe not too many from that squad made it to senior level but some very good footballers all the same who have served their clubs well since then
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 10, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on September 10, 2020, 08:19:22 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 10, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 09, 2020, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/09/news/is-conor-mckenna-the-only-missing-piece-for-tyrone--2060537/

Decent article, would be wise to maybe play down the return of McKenna considering.
He mentions that there are only two players from the 2013 minor side in the current squad - McShane was in that side too though.

McShane didn't start that day however.

Sean Fox (Ceapach); Colm Byrne (An Eaglais), Rhys Quinn (Cluain Eo), Cillian McCann (Fionntamhnach); Shea Hamill (Domhnach Mor), Christopher Morris (Gallbhaile), Padraig McGirr (Aireagal Chiarain), Ronan Nugent (Gallbhaile), Frank Burns (Cabhan a'Chaotainn), David Mulgrew (Ard Bo), Conor McKenna (An Eaglais), Ruairi McGlone (Achadh Lu), Lee Brennan (Tri Leac) Daire Gallagher  (Tri Leac), Stephen McGrath (Doire Lochain).

Always thought Ronan Nugent is a decent player who has probably deserved an FBD call up in recent years.

Maybe not too many from that squad made it to senior level but some very good footballers all the same who have served their clubs well since then
Few of them would be worth a call up after the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 10, 2020, 01:14:36 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 10, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on September 10, 2020, 08:19:22 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 10, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 09, 2020, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 09, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/09/news/is-conor-mckenna-the-only-missing-piece-for-tyrone--2060537/

Decent article, would be wise to maybe play down the return of McKenna considering.
He mentions that there are only two players from the 2013 minor side in the current squad - McShane was in that side too though.

McShane didn't start that day however.

Sean Fox (Ceapach); Colm Byrne (An Eaglais), Rhys Quinn (Cluain Eo), Cillian McCann (Fionntamhnach); Shea Hamill (Domhnach Mor), Christopher Morris (Gallbhaile), Padraig McGirr (Aireagal Chiarain), Ronan Nugent (Gallbhaile), Frank Burns (Cabhan a'Chaotainn), David Mulgrew (Ard Bo), Conor McKenna (An Eaglais), Ruairi McGlone (Achadh Lu), Lee Brennan (Tri Leac) Daire Gallagher  (Tri Leac), Stephen McGrath (Doire Lochain).

Always thought Ronan Nugent is a decent player who has probably deserved an FBD call up in recent years.

Maybe not too many from that squad made it to senior level but some very good footballers all the same who have served their clubs well since then
Few of them would be worth a call up after the championship
Those players are all 24/25 now. Realistically too late to be looking at giving the seniors a push and trying to establish themselves.
Your future call ups will be coming mostly from the 2019 and 2020 U20 teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 10, 2020, 03:47:04 PM
Whats our strongest 15 when whole team is fit? I know McKenna not in yet and Donaghy not even called up yet but the championship he has had warrants him a spot for me..

1. Niall Morgan
2. R Brennen
3. Ronan Mc
4. M Mc Kernan
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. P Harte
8. Brian Kennedy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. M Donnelly
11. Conor McKenna
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. Cathal McShane
15. Paul Donaghy

Had hard decisions between McCurry and Bradley
And P Harte and Cassidy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 10, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 10, 2020, 03:47:04 PM
Whats our strongest 15 when whole team is fit? I know McKenna not in yet and Donaghy not even called up yet but the championship he has had warrants him a spot for me..

1. Niall Morgan
2. R Brennen
3. Ronan Mc
4. M Mc Kernan
5. T McCann
6. Hampsey
7. P Harte
8. Brian Kennedy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. M Donnelly
11. Conor McKenna
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. Cathal McShane
15. Paul Donaghy

Had hard decisions between McCurry and Bradley
And P Harte and Cassidy

Rafferty was probably our best player in the league and a nailed on starter at corner back.

Donaghy deserves a run but will have it all to prove, I think I'd rather see Colm Cavanagh brought in off the bench to close games out at this stage of his career.

McCann has had a couple of poor years but he's also been injured in that time, looked back to his best v Trillick a fortnight ago.

I'd go with:

1. Morgan
2. Rafferty.
3. McNamee
4. R Brennan
5. McCann
6. Hampsey
7. Burns
8. R Donnelly
9. B Kennedy
10. M Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. McKenna
13. McCurry
14. McShane
15. Harte

There's a lot of options there - guys like Bradley, McGeary, Meyler, Cavanagh, Cassidy and potentially Donaghy and McAliskey to come in.

I thought Niall Kelly and Michael O'Neill have done well in the limited minutes they saw in the McKenna Cup too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 10, 2020, 04:56:44 PM
Is Paudie McNulty worth another go at county level?

I think he's better than some of the options we have there presently and looked in great shape the other night against Errigal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 10, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
I'd have thought Kieran McGeary is a nailed on starter too. Is McShane going to be for for the championship? Thought he had surgery a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 10, 2020, 06:37:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 10, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
I'd have thought Kieran McGeary is a nailed on starter too. Is McShane going to be for for the championship? Thought he had surgery a few weeks back.

McShane is out for the remainder of the year afaik.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 11, 2020, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 10, 2020, 04:56:44 PM
Is Paudie McNulty worth another go at county level?

I think he's better than some of the options we have there presently and looked in great shape the other night against Errigal.
That relationship has sailed I think
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 14, 2020, 01:12:41 PM
Is it from today that county teams can train together again collectively?

Any word on any additions to the panel since the break?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 14, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
Every county panel from today are insured to restart training. I don't think they are insured for indoor, gym work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 17, 2020, 11:08:34 AM
D-Day confirmed as Sunday 1st November 1.30 in Ballybofey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on September 17, 2020, 01:51:56 PM
Gonna be a massive ask without McShane

Is he likely to be 100% for next season?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 17, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 17, 2020, 01:51:56 PM
Gonna be a massive ask without McShane

Is he likely to be 100% for next season?

I'd imagine so by Championship time at least.

He did his ankle in February and it was a 5-8 month recovery timeframe. I'm not sure if the additional surgery he had was in relation to the ankle or a different issue but he underwent surgery on that about a month back so I'd say he should be around at some point in the national league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 17, 2020, 05:07:11 PM
Think he said in an Irish News or Gaelic Life interview that's why he took the op, so he could be back for the following year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 20, 2020, 09:57:10 PM
Maybe 1 player that is worth another  look would be quinn from Dungannon. He's a great ball winner. Paul Donaghey wouldnt have the strength for county football I doubt, although he prob deserves his chance
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 20, 2020, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 20, 2020, 09:57:10 PM
Maybe 1 player that is worth another  look would be quinn from Dungannon. He's a great ball winner. Paul Donaghey wouldnt have the strength for county football I doubt, although he prob deserves his chance

Donaghy is young though and has the frame and years on his side to build that power up. He should be on the panel and allow him to progress and develop because he has a lot of qualities that we don't have in the squad.

Quinn must be nearly 30 now, think he was on the McKenna Cup panel 4 or 5 years back, good club player but can't see him making the difference at county level. He hasn't even been starting for Dungannon.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 20, 2020, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 20, 2020, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 20, 2020, 09:57:10 PM
Maybe 1 player that is worth another  look would be quinn from Dungannon. He's a great ball winner. Paul Donaghey wouldnt have the strength for county football I doubt, although he prob deserves his chance

Donaghy is young though and has the frame and years on his side to build that power up. He should be on the panel and allow him to progress and develop because he has a lot of qualities that we don't have in the squad.

Quinn must be nearly 30 now, think he was on the McKenna Cup panel 4 or 5 years back, good club player but can't see him making the difference at county level. He hasn't even been starting for Dungannon.


Trust me, quinn is twice the player. Whether he would be willing to have another go with Tyrone is another thing. Harte isn't going to keep a player for a few years and build him up physically. Your either fit for it or you not on the squad. At the minute he's nowhere near it. Although he has 3 months now to work hard. Hopefully he does
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 21, 2020, 12:05:29 AM
Quote from: redzone on September 20, 2020, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 20, 2020, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 20, 2020, 09:57:10 PM
Maybe 1 player that is worth another  look would be quinn from Dungannon. He's a great ball winner. Paul Donaghey wouldnt have the strength for county football I doubt, although he prob deserves his chance

Donaghy is young though and has the frame and years on his side to build that power up. He should be on the panel and allow him to progress and develop because he has a lot of qualities that we don't have in the squad.

Quinn must be nearly 30 now, think he was on the McKenna Cup panel 4 or 5 years back, good club player but can't see him making the difference at county level. He hasn't even been starting for Dungannon.


Trust me, quinn is twice the player. Whether he would be willing to have another go with Tyrone is another thing. Harte isn't going to keep a player for a few years and build him up physically. Your either fit for it or you not on the squad. At the minute he's nowhere near it. Although he has 3 months now to work hard. Hopefully he does

Donaghy just finished the top scorer in the Championship by a huge distance. The lad has great potential. If Quinn was as good as you're saying I don't see why Dungannon would be leaving him on the bench and it's not a slight on Quinn who is a good player.

There's a few guys in there already on that remit.

Murnaghan, Darragh Canavan, Quinn from Galbally, Grimes, Mulgrew - all lads who were brought in at an early age to get them ready.

Donaghy is a big lad, he's 6ft2 or thereabouts and he's going to grow into himself in time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 22, 2020, 07:25:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/54249523?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=the_bbc_championship&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=northern_ireland&fbclid=IwAR2tXoGfrB9cmNOMn94CwMY4iMSovweJ49o-F9opq644eBnwET0XmGVewMk

Colm has retired. Turned into a top class player. Will be huge boots to fill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 22, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
One of our very few leaders. Can retire with great pride. If only we could bottle his character and give it to some of the other Tyrone players. Thanks big Colm!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 22, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
One of our very few leaders. Can retire with great pride. If only we could bottle his character and give it to some of the other Tyrone players. Thanks big Colm!

Im sure you'll be one of the first to give credit to Mickey Harte as well STG. Developed him into an all star footballer when most were calling for him to be dropped off the squad years ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 22, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
An absolute warrior, a shame for him to have to call it a day in those circumstances.

We'll be looking at the likes of Kennedy or Kilpatrick to step up now. I know the Harte bashers will love this but I really don't see what Ben McDonnell brings ahead of some of our other midfield options.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 22, 2020, 09:24:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 22, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
An absolute warrior, a shame for him to have to call it a day in those circumstances.

We'll be looking at the likes of Kennedy or Kilpatrick to step up now. I know the Harte bashers will love this but I really don't see what Ben McDonnell brings ahead of some of our other midfield options.

You mean in the Pandemic or something more particular to him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 22, 2020, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 22, 2020, 09:24:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 22, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
An absolute warrior, a shame for him to have to call it a day in those circumstances.

We'll be looking at the likes of Kennedy or Kilpatrick to step up now. I know the Harte bashers will love this but I really don't see what Ben McDonnell brings ahead of some of our other midfield options.

You mean in the Pandemic or something more particular to him?

Pandemic.

You'd feel sorry for guys like him and someone like Michael Murphy who probably has a few peak years left in them and have been robbed of it.

The legs had gone on Cavanagh but he will still be hard replaced.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 22, 2020, 10:06:10 PM
Colm is a true Tyrone great, huge boots to fill.

His absence may force Micky into a new system because there aren't many better in that sweeping roll. Seen some great images posted online tonight of his leap and clean catches. Under rated by many.

That's the last all Ireland medal out of the side now.  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on September 22, 2020, 10:41:49 PM
You'd have thought this year would have been ideal for the older player who was considering hanging the boots up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 23, 2020, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: Angelo on September 22, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
An absolute warrior, a shame for him to have to call it a day in those circumstances.

We'll be looking at the likes of Kennedy or Kilpatrick to step up now. I know the Harte bashers will love this but I really don't see what Ben McDonnell brings ahead of some of our other midfield options.

It's simple really.... his presence brings the number of ballygawley parish team players in the team up.  Can't fall below 3 or the cub might be forced to drop the physio bag and put the boots on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on September 23, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
any new players on the Tyrone panel after the Championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on September 23, 2020, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 22, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
One of our very few leaders. Can retire with great pride. If only we could bottle his character and give it to some of the other Tyrone players. Thanks big Colm!

Im sure you'll be one of the first to give credit to Mickey Harte as well STG. Developed him into an all star footballer when most were calling for him to be dropped off the squad years ago.
f**k all to do with Harte. Any eejit could manage lads like Colm cavanagh who had a top class attitude. Don't forget he has a minor all Ireland and club all Ireland with other managers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 23, 2020, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 22, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on September 22, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
One of our very few leaders. Can retire with great pride. If only we could bottle his character and give it to some of the other Tyrone players. Thanks big Colm!

Im sure you'll be one of the first to give credit to Mickey Harte as well STG. Developed him into an all star footballer when most were calling for him to be dropped off the squad years ago.
f**k all to do with Harte. Any eejit could manage lads like Colm cavanagh who had a top class attitude. Don't forget he has a minor all Ireland and club all Ireland with other managers.

Harte was getting lambasted for years for sticking with him, constant cries about him only being in the side because of who his brother was.

The manager kept faith with him and Colm delivered.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 23, 2020, 11:07:56 AM
Exactly Angelo credit where credit is due to Harte regarding Colm Cavanagh. And obviously credit to Colm too would have been very easy to walk away himself with the stick he got.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on September 23, 2020, 11:13:44 AM
A great servant to the team down the years.
Overcame the stick he got from some idiot supporters to become a fulcrum of the team.

The timing is strange with the return of the intercounty game so soon mind you - he obviously hasnt been ramping up the training - if so it is the right decision.

Enjoy the retirement big man - owes us nothing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 23, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: Taylor on September 23, 2020, 11:13:44 AM
A great servant to the team down the years.
Overcame the stick he got from some idiot supporters to become a fulcrum of the team.

The timing is strange with the return of the intercounty game so soon mind you - he obviously hasnt been ramping up the training - if so it is the right decision.

Enjoy the retirement big man - owes us nothing

Interview with him in the Irish news today. Injury seems to be the main reason. Probably safe to assume he wouldn't have been fit to play much part this year so maybe announcing retirement now to get it over and done with.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
What's our best midfield pairing now.

At the minute we have:

Kennedy
Kilpatrick
R Donnelly
McDonnell
C McCann
McClure

You have the likes of M Donnelly and Hampsey who have played there in the past but they are better utilised elsewhere, as McKenna will be when he returns.

Richie Donnelly is the best footballer of that lot but I do worry about his pace in a big match in Croke Park. Kennedy had an ok year last time around, it was his first year at intercounty football so you have to show patience with him. Kilpatrick is very inexperienced as well. I don't think McClure or McCann are up to holding down a regular place either and I'd put McDonnell in the same bracket there. Grugan had left the panel I think but he really underwhelmed in the opportunities he was given.

In light of this I think Harte should probably be looking to bring Paudie McNulty back into the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 23, 2020, 12:18:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
What's our best midfield pairing now.

At the minute we have:

Kennedy
Kilpatrick
R Donnelly
McDonnell
C McCann
McClure

You have the likes of M Donnelly and Hampsey who have played there in the past but they are better utilised elsewhere, as McKenna will be when he returns.

Richie Donnelly is the best footballer of that lot but I do worry about his pace in a big match in Croke Park. Kennedy had an ok year last time around, it was his first year at intercounty football so you have to show patience with him. Kilpatrick is very inexperienced as well. I don't think McClure or McCann are up to holding down a regular place either and I'd put McDonnell in the same bracket there. Grugan had left the panel I think but he really underwhelmed in the opportunities he was given.

In light of this I think Harte should probably be looking to bring Paudie McNulty back into the squad.

That ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 12:19:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 23, 2020, 12:18:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
What's our best midfield pairing now.

At the minute we have:

Kennedy
Kilpatrick
R Donnelly
McDonnell
C McCann
McClure

You have the likes of M Donnelly and Hampsey who have played there in the past but they are better utilised elsewhere, as McKenna will be when he returns.

Richie Donnelly is the best footballer of that lot but I do worry about his pace in a big match in Croke Park. Kennedy had an ok year last time around, it was his first year at intercounty football so you have to show patience with him. Kilpatrick is very inexperienced as well. I don't think McClure or McCann are up to holding down a regular place either and I'd put McDonnell in the same bracket there. Grugan had left the panel I think but he really underwhelmed in the opportunities he was given.

In light of this I think Harte should probably be looking to bring Paudie McNulty back into the squad.

That ship has sailed.

In what way?

Are there better midfielders in the county available right now than McNulty? He's 28/29?

Coney and Grugan are two examples of players who were given a second chance, McCurry and Bradley have returned to the squad after a year out.

As far as I know McNulty stepped away from the panel as he wanted to sort out a back issue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 23, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
He won't go back to Tyrone. Maybe best to look at other options.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 23, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
He won't go back to Tyrone. Maybe best to look at other options.

All Harte can do is ask the question.

There's not many better midfielders in Tyrone at present.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 23, 2020, 12:43:04 PM
True, but a large part of the problem in these type of situations is that Harte doesn't bother to pick up the phone himself. Gavin Devlin does that type of bridgebuilding.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 23, 2020, 12:44:53 PM
Colm straight onto RTE radio last night.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 23, 2020, 12:57:41 PM
I think going forward our midfield will be Kennedy and Kilpatrick, with a mix of Richie Donnelly every now and again.

Kilpatrick and Kennedy at the minute seems like a very attacking pairing so throw them in together now and coach them how to make it work.

As for the rest, McDonnell, McCann etc. They've had their chances and have never excelled. Time for them to move on. McCann more so than McDonnell to be fair.

Paudie McNulty never got a clean run at county level, can't see him returning, but if he did he would be the first option.
 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 23, 2020, 12:43:04 PM
True, but a large part of the problem in these type of situations is that Harte doesn't bother to pick up the phone himself. Gavin Devlin does that type of bridgebuilding.

I don't think there was any bad fallout. McNulty was in and out of the team, was struggling with a back injury and took a year out to look after it.

He's after an excellent season with club, our main man in midfield has stepped away so there is a need for Tyrone to want him back and I'm sure McNulty would like to give it another go. I'd imagine if he's asked back in then he'd take the opportunity. There is a view that recalling someone like McNulty will stop the development of a few younger players but I think right now there are probably few better midfielders in Tyrone than him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on September 23, 2020, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
What's our best midfield pairing now.

At the minute we have:

Kennedy
Kilpatrick
R Donnelly
McDonnell
C McCann
McClure

You have the likes of M Donnelly and Hampsey who have played there in the past but they are better utilised elsewhere, as McKenna will be when he returns.

Richie Donnelly is the best footballer of that lot but I do worry about his pace in a big match in Croke Park. Kennedy had an ok year last time around, it was his first year at intercounty football so you have to show patience with him. Kilpatrick is very inexperienced as well. I don't think McClure or McCann are up to holding down a regular place either and I'd put McDonnell in the same bracket there. Grugan had left the panel I think but he really underwhelmed in the opportunities he was given.

In light of this I think Harte should probably be looking to bring Paudie McNulty back into the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on September 23, 2020, 06:18:20 PM
What about conor mc kenna in middle i hear hes back training with tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on September 23, 2020, 06:18:20 PM
What about conor mc kenna in middle i hear hes back training with tyrone

Think we need McKenna in the forward line. I'd say McDonnell will be the one Harte will entrust but I've not been too impressed with what I've seen to date.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on September 23, 2020, 08:32:53 PM
Looking like Donegal be in full lockdown soon,what way does it work if County not able to play fixture?.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 23, 2020, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
What's our best midfield pairing now.

At the minute we have:

Kennedy
Kilpatrick
R Donnelly
McDonnell
C McCann
McClure

You have the likes of M Donnelly and Hampsey who have played there in the past but they are better utilised elsewhere, as McKenna will be when he returns.

Richie Donnelly is the best footballer of that lot but I do worry about his pace in a big match in Croke Park. Kennedy had an ok year last time around, it was his first year at intercounty football so you have to show patience with him. Kilpatrick is very inexperienced as well. I don't think McClure or McCann are up to holding down a regular place either and I'd put McDonnell in the same bracket there. Grugan had left the panel I think but he really underwhelmed in the opportunities he was given.

In light of this I think Harte should probably be looking to bring Paudie McNulty back into the squad.
Very very light around the middle in terms of quality. Probably looking at Richie as first choice alongside Kennedy or Kilpatrick.
Any use in Coney around the middle?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 23, 2020, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 23, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
What's our best midfield pairing now.

At the minute we have:

Kennedy
Kilpatrick
R Donnelly
McDonnell
C McCann
McClure

You have the likes of M Donnelly and Hampsey who have played there in the past but they are better utilised elsewhere, as McKenna will be when he returns.

Richie Donnelly is the best footballer of that lot but I do worry about his pace in a big match in Croke Park. Kennedy had an ok year last time around, it was his first year at intercounty football so you have to show patience with him. Kilpatrick is very inexperienced as well. I don't think McClure or McCann are up to holding down a regular place either and I'd put McDonnell in the same bracket there. Grugan had left the panel I think but he really underwhelmed in the opportunities he was given.

In light of this I think Harte should probably be looking to bring Paudie McNulty back into the squad.
Very very light around the middle in terms of quality. Probably looking at Richie as first choice alongside Kennedy or Kilpatrick.
Any use in Coney around the middle?

Coney probably suffers from the same issue as R Donnelly in that mobility is the issue and I think he's probably worse in that regard than Richie
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 23, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
That's not a bad shout on Coney out around the middle but I think that would be too adventurous for Harte. It'll be Ben McDonnell as Angelo says and I'd guess at Kennedy to partner him. We are very very light in that area. I've always been a fan of McClure but he seems to be out of favour before the season was halted. Maybe McKenna will be given a go in the middle in these upcoming league games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 24, 2020, 07:18:10 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 23, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
That's not a bad shout on Coney out around the middle but I think that would be too adventurous for Harte. It'll be Ben McDonnell as Angelo says and I'd guess at Kennedy to partner him. We are very very light in that area. I've always been a fan of McClure but he seems to be out of favour before the season was halted. Maybe McKenna will be given a go in the middle in these upcoming league games.

McClure missed the start of the league after knee surgery.

I don't know what to make of McClure, is he a half forward or a midfielder? He is mobile, decent in the air and can get a score or two but lacks a bit of presence.

Again I think McKenna needs to be left for the half forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 24, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
Quote from: skeog on September 23, 2020, 08:32:53 PM
Looking like Donegal be in full lockdown soon,what way does it work if County not able to play fixture?.

Tyrones best chance of beating Donegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 24, 2020, 10:28:39 AM
O'Donnell shouldnt be involved in a county squad, not near good enough.
Hardly makes an influence in a club game ffs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 23, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
That's not a bad shout on Coney out around the middle but I think that would be too adventurous for Harte. It'll be Ben McDonnell as Angelo says and I'd guess at Kennedy to partner him. We are very very light in that area. I've always been a fan of McClure but he seems to be out of favour before the season was halted. Maybe McKenna will be given a go in the middle in these upcoming league games.

Coney is far too lackadaisical for midfield at county level, and lacks size in comparison to other intercounty midfielders. Imagine him competing against Hugh McFadden or Jason McGee against Donegal in the first round. McClure and Conall McCann have the same problem.

Also bear in mind that this is all going to be played in bad weather and on heavy pitches and we'll be cutting our cloth accordingly. Richie Donnelly and Kennedy are our best bet if fit. Ordinarily my concern with them is that they would struggle with the pace of the game in the big spaces of Croke Park on a summers day, but that will not be an issue this time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 24, 2020, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 23, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
That's not a bad shout on Coney out around the middle but I think that would be too adventurous for Harte. It'll be Ben McDonnell as Angelo says and I'd guess at Kennedy to partner him. We are very very light in that area. I've always been a fan of McClure but he seems to be out of favour before the season was halted. Maybe McKenna will be given a go in the middle in these upcoming league games.

Coney is far too lackadaisical for midfield at county level, and lacks size in comparison to other intercounty midfielders. Imagine him competing against Hugh McFadden or Jason McGee against Donegal in the first round. McClure and Conall McCann have the same problem.

Also bear in mind that this is all going to be played in bad weather and on heavy pitches and we'll be cutting our cloth accordingly. Richie Donnelly and Kennedy are our best bet if fit. Ordinarily my concern with them is that they would struggle with the pace of the game in the big spaces of Croke Park on a summers day, but that will not be an issue this time.

Conall McCann strikes me as the type of chap who would go off on his holidays for a week and leave the doors of his house wide open. He'd be an excellent player if he had a bit more focus and aggression to him. He's 26/27 now and is probably not going to break in at this time.

McGleenan's young lad looks to have all the talents to be a top class midfielder in years to come but he has a good bit of developing to do.

It's always been a weak area for Tyrone, is there anything much better in the county at the minute? I always thought Nugent from Galbally was a very good player any time I've seen him and would probably be worth a go at some point.

It would be two of Richie/Kilpatrick/Kennedy for me anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 24, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.
Absolutely took to the cleaners by Paul Donaghy in the championship...

Completely right about McCann, will be nowhere near it.

Midfield definitely our weakest point, and possibly Donegals strongest point
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2020, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 24, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.
Absolutely took to the cleaners by Paul Donaghy in the championship...

Completely right about McCann, will be nowhere near it.

Midfield definitely our weakest point, and possibly Donegals strongest point

I think Kennedy has the attributes to be a quality county midfielder - we've historically not been blessed with a lot of huge men in our panel but Kennedy definitely has the size, he's a decent footballer as well and has a bit of aggression about him. We need to invest in him over the next couple of years and hope he gets a bit of luck with injuries.

Last years under 20s had a big midfield partnership. Ruairi Gormley was captain and I thought he would have got a senior call up this year but it didn't happen. Does anyone know how he's been doing for Strabane? Strabane seem to be struggling as a side so I'd be worried for Gormley's progression the longer he spends removed from a county set up.

His under 20s midfield partner was Joe Oguz, who is on this year's under 20 team also. He's another big lad who I'd hope would push on over the next couple of years but I know he's had some bad luck with injuries and missed Errigal's championship games this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 24, 2020, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.

Cassidy was there to do a man marking job on Moran, he did an alright job on the day but he's not a midfielder.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 24, 2020, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2020, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 24, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.
Absolutely took to the cleaners by Paul Donaghy in the championship...

Completely right about McCann, will be nowhere near it.

Midfield definitely our weakest point, and possibly Donegals strongest point

I think Kennedy has the attributes to be a quality county midfielder - we've historically not been blessed with a lot of huge men in our panel but Kennedy definitely has the size, he's a decent footballer as well and has a bit of aggression about him. We need to invest in him over the next couple of years and hope he gets a bit of luck with injuries.

Last years under 20s had a big midfield partnership. Ruairi Gormley was captain and I thought he would have got a senior call up this year but it didn't happen. Does anyone know how he's been doing for Strabane? Strabane seem to be struggling as a side so I'd be worried for Gormley's progression the longer he spends removed from a county set up.

His under 20s midfield partner was Joe Oguz, who is on this year's under 20 team also. He's another big lad who I'd hope would push on over the next couple of years but I know he's had some bad luck with injuries and missed Errigal's championship games this year.

Oguz looks a better player than McDonnell from what I've seen.

It's an odd name, is he half Turkish or something?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 06:22:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 24, 2020, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.

Cassidy was there to do a man marking job on Moran, he did an alright job on the day but he's not a midfielder.

Agreed but fair chance something similar will happen again against the tip sides
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 24, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2020, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 24, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.
Absolutely took to the cleaners by Paul Donaghy in the championship...

Completely right about McCann, will be nowhere near it.

Midfield definitely our weakest point, and possibly Donegals strongest point

I think Kennedy has the attributes to be a quality county midfielder - we've historically not been blessed with a lot of huge men in our panel but Kennedy definitely has the size, he's a decent footballer as well and has a bit of aggression about him. We need to invest in him over the next couple of years and hope he gets a bit of luck with injuries.

Last years under 20s had a big midfield partnership. Ruairi Gormley was captain and I thought he would have got a senior call up this year but it didn't happen. Does anyone know how he's been doing for Strabane? Strabane seem to be struggling as a side so I'd be worried for Gormley's progression the longer he spends removed from a county set up.

His under 20s midfield partner was Joe Oguz, who is on this year's under 20 team also. He's another big lad who I'd hope would push on over the next couple of years but I know he's had some bad luck with injuries and missed Errigal's championship games this year.
Were u at them u20 games, Gormley showed really nothing to say he would be a senior footballer. He looked at one stage he might, and he might yet butvOquz stood out. Mark mckeaney was brilliant last year and has been Dungannons best player this year to, he suit hartes style of play to.
One player that hasn't been mentioned is Matthew Walsh. He done a great man marking job on donnelly and could be a complete wildcard
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 24, 2020, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 24, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2020, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 24, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.
Absolutely took to the cleaners by Paul Donaghy in the championship...

Completely right about McCann, will be nowhere near it.

Midfield definitely our weakest point, and possibly Donegals strongest point

I think Kennedy has the attributes to be a quality county midfielder - we've historically not been blessed with a lot of huge men in our panel but Kennedy definitely has the size, he's a decent footballer as well and has a bit of aggression about him. We need to invest in him over the next couple of years and hope he gets a bit of luck with injuries.

Last years under 20s had a big midfield partnership. Ruairi Gormley was captain and I thought he would have got a senior call up this year but it didn't happen. Does anyone know how he's been doing for Strabane? Strabane seem to be struggling as a side so I'd be worried for Gormley's progression the longer he spends removed from a county set up.

His under 20s midfield partner was Joe Oguz, who is on this year's under 20 team also. He's another big lad who I'd hope would push on over the next couple of years but I know he's had some bad luck with injuries and missed Errigal's championship games this year.
Were u at them u20 games, Gormley showed really nothing to say he would be a senior footballer. He looked at one stage he might, and he might yet butvOquz stood out. Mark mckeaney was brilliant last year and has been Dungannons best player this year to, he suit hartes style of play to.
One player that hasn't been mentioned is Matthew Walsh. He done a great man marking job on donnelly and could be a complete wildcard

Walsh was very impressive for Dungannon. I remember thinking he was the one player who looked like the Tyrone u21 side were carrying back in 2020 but he's had an excellent club campaign and has a great engine on him. But he probably doesn't offer us anything we don't already have.

McKearney was very impressive but looks a little slight for county level, what age is he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 24, 2020, 08:52:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 24, 2020, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 24, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on September 24, 2020, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 24, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on September 24, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Michael Cassidy played around the middle against Kerry in the semi final and competed well. Has more about him than some of the other names mentioned.
Absolutely took to the cleaners by Paul Donaghy in the championship...

Completely right about McCann, will be nowhere near it.

Midfield definitely our weakest point, and possibly Donegals strongest point

I think Kennedy has the attributes to be a quality county midfielder - we've historically not been blessed with a lot of huge men in our panel but Kennedy definitely has the size, he's a decent footballer as well and has a bit of aggression about him. We need to invest in him over the next couple of years and hope he gets a bit of luck with injuries.

Last years under 20s had a big midfield partnership. Ruairi Gormley was captain and I thought he would have got a senior call up this year but it didn't happen. Does anyone know how he's been doing for Strabane? Strabane seem to be struggling as a side so I'd be worried for Gormley's progression the longer he spends removed from a county set up.

His under 20s midfield partner was Joe Oguz, who is on this year's under 20 team also. He's another big lad who I'd hope would push on over the next couple of years but I know he's had some bad luck with injuries and missed Errigal's championship games this year.
Were u at them u20 games, Gormley showed really nothing to say he would be a senior footballer. He looked at one stage he might, and he might yet butvOquz stood out. Mark mckeaney was brilliant last year and has been Dungannons best player this year to, he suit hartes style of play to.
One player that hasn't been mentioned is Matthew Walsh. He done a great man marking job on donnelly and could be a complete wildcard

Walsh was very impressive for Dungannon. I remember thinking he was the one player who looked like the Tyrone u21 side were carrying back in 2020 but he's had an excellent club campaign and has a great engine on him. But he probably doesn't offer us anything we don't already have.

McKearney was very impressive but looks a little slight for county level, what age is he?
He was half forward on last year's u20 team. He's always in the thick of it. The talent that is available is unreal in Tyrone but the more u think about it the more harte needs to go. His man management skills are non existant. Hardly any supporters go to games anymore
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on September 24, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
A new manager along with 5-6 new faces in the squad would get a lot more supporters back interested.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 24, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 24, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
A new manager along with 5-6 new faces in the squad would get a lot more supporters back interested.

Who's first in line to takeover from Mickey? Probably Collie Holmes at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 24, 2020, 10:22:22 PM
Canavan always looked like the pre-ordained successor but he's probably too comfortable in his media role now and a bit out of touch with the managerial side.

Malachy O'Rourke probably has the best credentials but I would imagine it's likely to be an internal appointment.

There would be plenty of high profile names to be thrown about but none really stick out as all that encouraging.

I do think a freshness might be needed around now though.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 24, 2020, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 24, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 24, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
A new manager along with 5-6 new faces in the squad would get a lot more supporters back interested.

Who's first in line to takeover from Mickey? Probably Collie Holmes at this stage.

A Tyrone championship on the CV will do him no harm but I'd suggest there'll not be a crazy amount of candidates. Is this Hartes last year for sure?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on September 24, 2020, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 24, 2020, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 24, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 24, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
A new manager along with 5-6 new faces in the squad would get a lot more supporters back interested.

Who's first in line to takeover from Mickey? Probably Collie Holmes at this stage.

A Tyrone championship on the CV will do him no harm but I'd suggest there'll not be a crazy amount of candidates. Is this Hartes last year for sure?

It's definitely the last year of his contract but they may give him an extension given the circumstances this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on September 24, 2020, 11:05:40 PM
They won't be giving him anything, he'll be taking any extension he sees fit. He will decide when he steps away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 25, 2020, 06:37:59 AM
Quote from: square_ball on September 24, 2020, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on September 24, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 24, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
A new manager along with 5-6 new faces in the squad would get a lot more supporters back interested.

Who's first in line to takeover from Mickey? Probably Collie Holmes at this stage.

A Tyrone championship on the CV will do him no harm but I'd suggest there'll not be a crazy amount of candidates. Is this Hartes last year for sure?

Delivered Tyrone U17 All Ireland too

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/tyrone-win-all-ireland-under-football-competition/


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on September 25, 2020, 07:33:22 AM
Quote from: sidelineball on September 24, 2020, 11:05:40 PM
They won't be giving him anything, he'll be taking any extension he sees fit. He will decide when he steps away.

Absolutely right he will never jump he will need to be pushed!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on September 25, 2020, 09:28:27 AM
Holmes just trained Dungannon, he had 2 very good club men doing the mgmt side.. had an exceptional bunch of players in that u17 squad
been around a few clubs at this stage
im not sure he would be the obvious replacement
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 25, 2020, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: sidelineball on September 24, 2020, 11:05:40 PM
They won't be giving him anything, he'll be taking any extension he sees fit. He will decide when he steps away.

And rightly so he should take the extension.  Always baffles me the amount of people who want to get rid of the greatest manager in the history of Tyrone GAA  :-\  The man delivered 3 All Irelands, a league title, numerous Ulster's and basically a McKenna cup every year. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on September 25, 2020, 10:34:06 AM
Thinks change unfortunately, you and I both know he's not the man he once was. We're as once he had players willing to die for him on the field now they don't even want to be on the squad. A few more players not coming back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 25, 2020, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: redzone on September 25, 2020, 10:34:06 AM
A few more players not coming back.

Who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 25, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 25, 2020, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: sidelineball on September 24, 2020, 11:05:40 PM
They won't be giving him anything, he'll be taking any extension he sees fit. He will decide when he steps away.

And rightly so he should take the extension.  Always baffles me the amount of people who want to get rid of the greatest manager in the history of Tyrone GAA  :-\  The man delivered 3 All Irelands, a league title, numerous Ulster's and basically a McKenna cup every year.

I understand that but where do you draw the line? If he gets another 3 years and no all Ireland at the end of it do you say the same thing again? A freshness is required in my opinion. You are allowed to say that while at the same time acknowledging he's the greatest manager in our history. They are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on September 25, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 25, 2020, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: sidelineball on September 24, 2020, 11:05:40 PM
They won't be giving him anything, he'll be taking any extension he sees fit. He will decide when he steps away.

And rightly so he should take the extension.  Always baffles me the amount of people who want to get rid of the greatest manager in the history of Tyrone GAA  :-\  The man delivered 3 All Irelands, a league title, numerous Ulster's and basically a McKenna cup every year.

In fairness listing the McKenna Cup is hardly necessary.. A warm up tournament which has no relevance on the fiull season.

Sean Boylan was a great manager with Meath, but stayed on too long.  Brian Cody a bit similar to Mickey Harte, doesn't want to relenquish the power as manager. They reached the All Ireland final last year with a new team.,which was a good achievement m
There is still calls for a fresh look in Kilkenny.

Tyrone reached the All Ireland final in 2018 and some Semi final appearance which would have given Mickey Harte some leeway, though Tyrone are in a decent position, so if Harte at end of year, they aren't in a bad place. Meath were a sinking ship for a new manager when Boylan left.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on September 25, 2020, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: redzone on September 25, 2020, 10:34:06 AM
A few more players not coming back.
Surely the mods should have be dishing out sort form of brutal punishment for lads posting up lines like that and not fronting up with names?

Is it that:
1. You know the names, but you like the idea of knowing a secret?
2. You don't know any names, and are just passing on a totally unsubstantiated rumour that some unnamed players are quitting?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on September 25, 2020, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 25, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 25, 2020, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: sidelineball on September 24, 2020, 11:05:40 PM
They won't be giving him anything, he'll be taking any extension he sees fit. He will decide when he steps away.

And rightly so he should take the extension.  Always baffles me the amount of people who want to get rid of the greatest manager in the history of Tyrone GAA  :-\  The man delivered 3 All Irelands, a league title, numerous Ulster's and basically a McKenna cup every year.



In fairness listing the McKenna Cup is hardly necessary.. A warm up tournament which has no relevance on the fiull season.

Sean Boylan was a great manager with Meath, but stayed on too long.  Brian Cody a bit similar to Mickey Harte, doesn't want to relenquish the power as manager. They reached the All Ireland final last year with a new team.,which was a good achievement m
There is still calls for a fresh look in Kilkenny.

Tyrone reached the All Ireland final in 2018 and some Semi final appearance which would have given Mickey Harte some leeway, though Tyrone are in a decent position, so if Harte at end of year, they aren't in a bad place. Meath were a sinking ship for a new manager when Boylan left.

The thing is, do Tyrone have the quality of players that should have been winning All Irelands or at least getting very close over the past 5 years?
We have won 2 Ulsters, reached 3 All-Ireland Semis & 1 All-Ireland Final in that time which apart from the 2000s must be considered Tyrone's best ever period (maybe 95/96 better achievement as straight KO?)
A few weeks ago, people on here were rubbishing Peter Harte's reputation as a big player. If you ask anyone reasonable in the country they would say that Peter Harte would be one of our top 3/4 players over the past 5 years.
Therefore if one of our best players is such a poor player then how do we expect to be winning All Irelands and can it be said that Mickey is not getting the best out of his available personnel?

I personally thought he should have went after the 2017 Semi but the run to the final in 2018 was a vindication of him staying on IMO. I would have liked to judge him based on this year but with Covid now I think it is likely he will get another year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 25, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on September 25, 2020, 07:33:22 AM
Quote from: sidelineball on September 24, 2020, 11:05:40 PM
They won't be giving him anything, he'll be taking any extension he sees fit. He will decide when he steps away.

Absolutely right he will never jump he will need to be pushed!

Is it true the players are pushing out the manager round your way?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 25, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
Would Stevie O'Neill be a possibility for manager  ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on September 25, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 25, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
Would Stevie O'Neill be a possibility for manager  ?

What the Tyrone club championship shows is that there is plenty of forward talent in Tyrone and a desire among club teams to play open attractive football. There's also an evident lack of cynicism. This proves a point I have made on numerous occasions that the common denominator for putrid, defensive, cynical football is Harte. I have spoken to numerous people from around the country who were amazed at how enjoyable it was to watch the club football on display in Tyrone. Fair play to the club managers and players who gave everyone much entertainment. Collie Holmes would have to be in the frame because of the fitness levels Dungannon had and also the way he managed the squad and used the bench.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleaflad on September 25, 2020, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 25, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
Would Stevie O'Neill be a possibility for manager  ?
I'll assume you haven't seen Dungiven play this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 25, 2020, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 25, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 25, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
Would Stevie O'Neill be a possibility for manager  ?

What the Tyrone club championship shows is that there is plenty of forward talent in Tyrone and a desire among club teams to play open attractive football. There's also an evident lack of cynicism. This proves a point I have made on numerous occasions that the common denominator for putrid, defensive, cynical football is Harte. I have spoken to numerous people from around the country who were amazed at how enjoyable it was to watch the club football on display in Tyrone. Fair play to the club managers and players who gave everyone much entertainment. Collie Holmes would have to be in the frame because of the fitness levels Dungannon had and also the way he managed the squad and used the bench.

Who is the main man at dungannon?

From what I seen of the Tyrone minors last year they were setup up very defensively.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 25, 2020, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 25, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 25, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
Would Stevie O'Neill be a possibility for manager  ?

What the Tyrone club championship shows is that there is plenty of forward talent in Tyrone and a desire among club teams to play open attractive football. There's also an evident lack of cynicism. This proves a point I have made on numerous occasions that the common denominator for putrid, defensive, cynical football is Harte. I have spoken to numerous people from around the country who were amazed at how enjoyable it was to watch the club football on display in Tyrone. Fair play to the club managers and players who gave everyone much entertainment. Collie Holmes would have to be in the frame because of the fitness levels Dungannon had and also the way he managed the squad and used the bench.

They were training all through the lockdown. That's not to downplay their achievements in any way. But none the less, it explains that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 25, 2020, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on September 25, 2020, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 25, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
Would Stevie O'Neill be a possibility for manager  ?
I'll assume you haven't seen Dungiven play this year
No,  I'm assuming he didn't do well then?
Did he have a decent squad? ( I have no idea about Dungiven! )
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on September 25, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 25, 2020, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 25, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 25, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
Would Stevie O'Neill be a possibility for manager  ?

What the Tyrone club championship shows is that there is plenty of forward talent in Tyrone and a desire among club teams to play open attractive football. There's also an evident lack of cynicism. This proves a point I have made on numerous occasions that the common denominator for putrid, defensive, cynical football is Harte. I have spoken to numerous people from around the country who were amazed at how enjoyable it was to watch the club football on display in Tyrone. Fair play to the club managers and players who gave everyone much entertainment. Collie Holmes would have to be in the frame because of the fitness levels Dungannon had and also the way he managed the squad and used the bench.

They were training all through the lockdown. That's not to downplay their achievements in any way. But none the less, it explains that.

They definitely weren't
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 25, 2020, 09:57:46 PM
I think Tyrone could definitely do with a fresh voice around the squad but I do think Mickey Harte gets ridiculous criticism for the past decade. People reference the likes of Sean Boylan and Pete McGrath staying on too long, but look what happened Meath and Down when they did leave. Tyrone haven't repeated the success of the 00s but they have remained a steadfast top 5 team along that period and Harte deserves credit for that.

There's no real standout candidate, there's been a few Tyrone men take on outside county jobs in the past few years - McGleenan, Ricey, Tally etc. None have been overly successful, I think Tally is doing decently with Down but Tally is going to play an even more defensive game than the moaners bitch about Harte implementing.

The best candidate about is probably Malachy O'Rourke, again Malachy is hardly known for playing exciting football but he did do a very good job with Monaghan and has a very impressive CV, do we want an outside man? Wouldn't worry me too much.

I don't personally care about the style of football we play, we have lots of talent in the county but no team in country will be able to play an effective system in the modern game that caters for guys like McCurry, Bradley and Lee Brennan all playing at the same time. We seem to produce a load of the same type of players.

I'd probably give Harte next year, with McKenna back and hopefully McShane fit, it certainly raises expectations for 2021. I'd be putting us as second favourites behind Dublin in 2021 and if we don't make an All Ireland final it would be a disappointment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on September 25, 2020, 10:56:37 PM
Well said and I agree that Harte deserves enormous credit but time to go now as next year there'll be another reason to keep him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 26, 2020, 09:16:57 AM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 25, 2020, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 25, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 25, 2020, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: sidelineball on September 24, 2020, 11:05:40 PM
They won't be giving him anything, he'll be taking any extension he sees fit. He will decide when he steps away.

And rightly so he should take the extension.  Always baffles me the amount of people who want to get rid of the greatest manager in the history of Tyrone GAA  :-\  The man delivered 3 All Irelands, a league title, numerous Ulster's and basically a McKenna cup every year.



In fairness listing the McKenna Cup is hardly necessary.. A warm up tournament which has no relevance on the fiull season.

Sean Boylan was a great manager with Meath, but stayed on too long.  Brian Cody a bit similar to Mickey Harte, doesn't want to relenquish the power as manager. They reached the All Ireland final last year with a new team.,which was a good achievement m
There is still calls for a fresh look in Kilkenny.

Tyrone reached the All Ireland final in 2018 and some Semi final appearance which would have given Mickey Harte some leeway, though Tyrone are in a decent position, so if Harte at end of year, they aren't in a bad place. Meath were a sinking ship for a new manager when Boylan left.

The thing is, do Tyrone have the quality of players that should have been winning All Irelands or at least getting very close over the past 5 years?
We have won 2 Ulsters, reached 3 All-Ireland Semis & 1 All-Ireland Final in that time which apart from the 2000s must be considered Tyrone's best ever period (maybe 95/96 better achievement as straight KO?)
A few weeks ago, people on here were rubbishing Peter Harte's reputation as a big player. If you ask anyone reasonable in the country they would say that Peter Harte would be one of our top 3/4 players over the past 5 years.
Therefore if one of our best players is such a poor player then how do we expect to be winning All Irelands and can it be said that Mickey is not getting the best out of his available personnel?

I personally thought he should have went after the 2017 Semi but the run to the final in 2018 was a vindication of him staying on IMO. I would have liked to judge him based on this year but with Covid now I think it is likely he will get another year.

Tyrone certainly have had the quality of player to be involved in the latter stages of the Championship over the past few years. It hasn't been a vintage era in terms of depth. Dublin are excellent. Mayo have been very good. Kerry, while not at the level of their best teams, have been at a high level compared to the rest and are still improving. Beyond that there really isn't much. Given the pool of talent that Tyrone have and depth, added to the generally very high level of conditioning on the panel, and credit to Mickey and co for that, and really it's no surprise that Tyrone have been involved into the latter stages. In reality it would have been a failure were they not making quarters/super eights and occasional semi finals.

My issue with Mickey has been the way he has set up the team. He never got over those defeats by Jimmy McGuinness and became obsessed by trying to take that ultra defensive template to another level, even when the evidence suggested that such an extreme model would only work in the short term until others worked it out, even for the team that created it. Mickey spent a good while throwing everything into that, culminating in the 2017 semi where Tyrone conceded a goal after 5 minutes and didn't know how to come back.

You suggest 2018 was some kind of redemption. I don't agree. Tyrone were knocked out in the first round of Ulster by Monaghan. They were hugely fortunate to then survive against Meath. It was only when they started to play more of an attacking game that they began to make progress, and even then it was a hardly a vintage run to the final. On reaching the final there was a lot of talk of Mickey will have a plan. It turned out that his plan was to go all out attack from the start, something which went totally against the way he had been building his team for the previous three years. The idea that you could take on a team like Dublin by trying something entirely different to the minutely crafted defensive template you had spent years on was ludicrous. Sure enough, as soon as the Dubs got over the shock of seeing Tyrone attacking they put the game to bed before half-time. Tyrone are a team without an identity who don't really know how they are supposed to play. The manager showed a lack of faith in their ability by developing such a defensive strategy and since it was shown up badly has struggled to work out any other consistent approach of how he should use the talent he has available to him.

Now maybe you are happy enough with that. In the context of the history of Tyrone football the last few years are still very good. There was a long time when even the idea of a handy run to an AI Final would have been fantasy. But it is still fair game to question. Tyrone didn't get near Dublin in those games, despite Mayo and Kerry giving them massive tests in the Championship. Tyrone haven't managed to beat Kerry or Mayo either for that matter, they haven't in truth taken any truly notable scalps at all in the Championship. The talent was there to do better.

It's still there too. Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte are top class players. McShane before the injury had emerged as a serious talent. McKenna coming home brings real excitement. Then thrown in Bradley, McCurry, Brennan etc. There is serious attacking threat there. Put some faith in them and go with a system which allows them to showcase their talent and stick with it. We might well still lose but at least it would be fun to watch and we'd know we lost having a real go, like Kerry and Mayo did.

And before the classic response of Tyrone running up massive scores is mentioned, grinding down inferior and physically weaker sides then putting 4-20 or whatever up against them doesn't mean you are an attacking team.

And I'll add too that Mickey has been a great leader and fantastic ambassador for Tyrone, and is also IMO a man of great dignity and integrity. All of which still doesn't mean that his record and methods shouldn't be scrutinised.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on September 26, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 27, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 26, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.

I think this current Tyrone side lacks leaders. You look back at the big games and we have had purple patches in them where things looked good, we started the AI final in 2018 very well, the SF last year against Kerry we started very well and should have been much further ahead. But when the tide turned, we crumbled and we really needed our big men to step up and deliver. We've lost our most reliable player in terms of leadership now in Colm Cavanagh, a warrior who never hid.

Mattie has shown a lot of leadership in the past but he's also had a number of quiet games when we needed more from him. Peter Harte is someone we need more from him, I feel sorry for him with the bullshit he has to put up from the opposition which is largely ignored by match officials, he gets no protection at all but that shouldn't excuse some of his no shows, he needs to be a bit more cuter in how he looks after himself.

McShane emerged as a leader last year but we need more players to step up, guys like Hampsey, Burns, McGeary need to step up to the plate and push Tyrone on. Hopefully McKenna can give this team a shot in the arm. I'm genuinely excited at what the arrival of McKenna can do for Darren McCurry next year.

If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: greatpoint on September 28, 2020, 12:00:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 25, 2020, 09:57:46 PMI'd be putting us as second favourites behind Dublin in 2021 and if we don't make an All Ireland final it would be a disappointment.

Not sure ye will be anywhere near an All-Ireland but Tyrone look like strong favourites for the McKenna Cup anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on September 28, 2020, 01:59:09 PM
Tyrone have failed to beat Kerry, Mayo and Dublin when it has counted for years now - until they achieve that = no all Ireland. No point saying they should have won v Kerry...they didn't.

If they are very, very lucky - they would only need to beat 1, most likely however they will need to beat 2.







Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 28, 2020, 02:10:57 PM
Ah lets be realistic lads. Without McShane, it's hard to make an argument they'll even beat Donegal in a months time let alone the All Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 02:19:46 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on September 28, 2020, 02:10:57 PM
Ah lets be realistic lads. Without McShane, it's hard to make an argument they'll even beat Donegal in a months time let alone the All Ireland.

This year will be a sham of a Championship.

2021 is all I'm looking forward to with regard to the intercounty season.

McKenna might get some game time to sharpen up and next year we will have McShane back with a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 27, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 26, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.

I think this current Tyrone side lacks leaders. You look back at the big games and we have had purple patches in them where things looked good, we started the AI final in 2018 very well, the SF last year against Kerry we started very well and should have been much further ahead. But when the tide turned, we crumbled and we really needed our big men to step up and deliver. We've lost our most reliable player in terms of leadership now in Colm Cavanagh, a warrior who never hid.

Mattie has shown a lot of leadership in the past but he's also had a number of quiet games when we needed more from him. Peter Harte is someone we need more from him, I feel sorry for him with the bullshit he has to put up from the opposition which is largely ignored by match officials, he gets no protection at all but that shouldn't excuse some of his no shows, he needs to be a bit more cuter in how he looks after himself.

McShane emerged as a leader last year but we need more players to step up, guys like Hampsey, Burns, McGeary need to step up to the plate and push Tyrone on. Hopefully McKenna can give this team a shot in the arm. I'm genuinely excited at what the arrival of McKenna can do for Darren McCurry next year.

If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.

If you need 4 opposition defenders to "take care" of the aboved named and then depending on Mc Curry to do "serious damage" Tyrone DONT stand a chance

How many other top counties are "hoping" their 5th/6th/7th best attacker does all the damage??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 27, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 26, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.

I think this current Tyrone side lacks leaders. You look back at the big games and we have had purple patches in them where things looked good, we started the AI final in 2018 very well, the SF last year against Kerry we started very well and should have been much further ahead. But when the tide turned, we crumbled and we really needed our big men to step up and deliver. We've lost our most reliable player in terms of leadership now in Colm Cavanagh, a warrior who never hid.

Mattie has shown a lot of leadership in the past but he's also had a number of quiet games when we needed more from him. Peter Harte is someone we need more from him, I feel sorry for him with the bullshit he has to put up from the opposition which is largely ignored by match officials, he gets no protection at all but that shouldn't excuse some of his no shows, he needs to be a bit more cuter in how he looks after himself.

McShane emerged as a leader last year but we need more players to step up, guys like Hampsey, Burns, McGeary need to step up to the plate and push Tyrone on. Hopefully McKenna can give this team a shot in the arm. I'm genuinely excited at what the arrival of McKenna can do for Darren McCurry next year.

If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.

If you need 4 opposition defenders to "take care" of the aboved named and then depending on Mc Curry to do "serious damage" Tyrone DONT stand a chance

How many other top counties are "hoping" their 5th/6th/7th best attacker does all the damage??

Who mentioned anything about him doing all the damage?

McCurry is the best finisher we have in the squad. Cillian O'Connor is the weakest player in the Mayo 15 and is the all time leading scorer in Championship history.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 27, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 26, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.

I think this current Tyrone side lacks leaders. You look back at the big games and we have had purple patches in them where things looked good, we started the AI final in 2018 very well, the SF last year against Kerry we started very well and should have been much further ahead. But when the tide turned, we crumbled and we really needed our big men to step up and deliver. We've lost our most reliable player in terms of leadership now in Colm Cavanagh, a warrior who never hid.

Mattie has shown a lot of leadership in the past but he's also had a number of quiet games when we needed more from him. Peter Harte is someone we need more from him, I feel sorry for him with the bullshit he has to put up from the opposition which is largely ignored by match officials, he gets no protection at all but that shouldn't excuse some of his no shows, he needs to be a bit more cuter in how he looks after himself.

McShane emerged as a leader last year but we need more players to step up, guys like Hampsey, Burns, McGeary need to step up to the plate and push Tyrone on. Hopefully McKenna can give this team a shot in the arm. I'm genuinely excited at what the arrival of McKenna can do for Darren McCurry next year.

If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.

If you need 4 opposition defenders to "take care" of the aboved named and then depending on Mc Curry to do "serious damage" Tyrone DONT stand a chance

How many other top counties are "hoping" their 5th/6th/7th best attacker does all the damage??

Who mentioned anything about him doing all the damage?

McCurry is the best finisher we have in the squad. Cillian O'Connor is the weakest player in the Mayo 15 and is the all time leading scorer in Championship history.

OMG !!!!! We may have just had the stupidest comment on here, O'Connor weakest player. WOW

Surely serious damage is most, if not all of the damage, same difference
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 27, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 26, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.

I think this current Tyrone side lacks leaders. You look back at the big games and we have had purple patches in them where things looked good, we started the AI final in 2018 very well, the SF last year against Kerry we started very well and should have been much further ahead. But when the tide turned, we crumbled and we really needed our big men to step up and deliver. We've lost our most reliable player in terms of leadership now in Colm Cavanagh, a warrior who never hid.

Mattie has shown a lot of leadership in the past but he's also had a number of quiet games when we needed more from him. Peter Harte is someone we need more from him, I feel sorry for him with the bullshit he has to put up from the opposition which is largely ignored by match officials, he gets no protection at all but that shouldn't excuse some of his no shows, he needs to be a bit more cuter in how he looks after himself.

McShane emerged as a leader last year but we need more players to step up, guys like Hampsey, Burns, McGeary need to step up to the plate and push Tyrone on. Hopefully McKenna can give this team a shot in the arm. I'm genuinely excited at what the arrival of McKenna can do for Darren McCurry next year.

If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.

If you need 4 opposition defenders to "take care" of the aboved named and then depending on Mc Curry to do "serious damage" Tyrone DONT stand a chance

How many other top counties are "hoping" their 5th/6th/7th best attacker does all the damage??

Who mentioned anything about him doing all the damage?

McCurry is the best finisher we have in the squad. Cillian O'Connor is the weakest player in the Mayo 15 and is the all time leading scorer in Championship history.

OMG !!!!! We may have just had the stupidest comment on here, O'Connor weakest player. WOW

Surely serious damage is most, if not all of the damage, same difference

Did you sit your GCSEs yet.

Serious is not most, by virtue of playing with better players and having more freedom to operate McCurry would have more scope and space to maximise his ability.

O'Connor is Mayo's weakest forward but he's a finisher and he thrives on playing in a team with strong runners like Durcan, Boyle, Keegan, O'Shea and his brother who draw fouls and consistently break tackles creating overlaps where he is then on hand to convert. He also benefitted from playing inside along one of the cleverest forwards and best ball winners in the game in Andy Moran.

That is an entirely rational point but given I seem to be conversing with an idiot here, I'm sure you'll struggle to comprehend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 08:40:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 27, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 26, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.

I think this current Tyrone side lacks leaders. You look back at the big games and we have had purple patches in them where things looked good, we started the AI final in 2018 very well, the SF last year against Kerry we started very well and should have been much further ahead. But when the tide turned, we crumbled and we really needed our big men to step up and deliver. We've lost our most reliable player in terms of leadership now in Colm Cavanagh, a warrior who never hid.

Mattie has shown a lot of leadership in the past but he's also had a number of quiet games when we needed more from him. Peter Harte is someone we need more from him, I feel sorry for him with the bullshit he has to put up from the opposition which is largely ignored by match officials, he gets no protection at all but that shouldn't excuse some of his no shows, he needs to be a bit more cuter in how he looks after himself.

McShane emerged as a leader last year but we need more players to step up, guys like Hampsey, Burns, McGeary need to step up to the plate and push Tyrone on. Hopefully McKenna can give this team a shot in the arm. I'm genuinely excited at what the arrival of McKenna can do for Darren McCurry next year.

If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.

If you need 4 opposition defenders to "take care" of the aboved named and then depending on Mc Curry to do "serious damage" Tyrone DONT stand a chance

How many other top counties are "hoping" their 5th/6th/7th best attacker does all the damage??

Who mentioned anything about him doing all the damage?

McCurry is the best finisher we have in the squad. Cillian O'Connor is the weakest player in the Mayo 15 and is the all time leading scorer in Championship history.

OMG !!!!! We may have just had the stupidest comment on here, O'Connor weakest player. WOW

Surely serious damage is most, if not all of the damage, same difference

Did you sit your GCSEs yet.

Serious is not most, by virtue of playing with better players and having more freedom to operate McCurry would have more scope and space to maximise his ability.

O'Connor is Mayo's weakest forward but he's a finisher and he thrives on playing in a team with strong runners like Durcan, Boyle, Keegan, O'Shea and his brother who draw fouls and consistently break tackles creating overlaps where he is then on hand to convert. He also benefitted from playing inside along one of the cleverest forwards and best ball winners in the game in Andy Moran.

That is an entirely rational point but given I seem to be conversing with an idiot here, I'm sure you'll struggle to comprehend.

Ok Mr Mc Curry, calm the t!ts. Your fwend Darren has had many opportunities with many good players surrounding him and never delivered when it mattered. Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley superior footballers and better finishers. Sure we'll count on him as Tyrones 7th best forward to do "serious damage" against Louth, Westmeath and Derry

Good to see when someone disagrees with your point you go all argumentative with defensive name calling, who are you really, Donald Trump??

P.S What are GCSE's
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 08:40:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 28, 2020, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Club boi on September 28, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 27, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 26, 2020, 11:45:52 AM
I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.

I think this current Tyrone side lacks leaders. You look back at the big games and we have had purple patches in them where things looked good, we started the AI final in 2018 very well, the SF last year against Kerry we started very well and should have been much further ahead. But when the tide turned, we crumbled and we really needed our big men to step up and deliver. We've lost our most reliable player in terms of leadership now in Colm Cavanagh, a warrior who never hid.

Mattie has shown a lot of leadership in the past but he's also had a number of quiet games when we needed more from him. Peter Harte is someone we need more from him, I feel sorry for him with the bullshit he has to put up from the opposition which is largely ignored by match officials, he gets no protection at all but that shouldn't excuse some of his no shows, he needs to be a bit more cuter in how he looks after himself.

McShane emerged as a leader last year but we need more players to step up, guys like Hampsey, Burns, McGeary need to step up to the plate and push Tyrone on. Hopefully McKenna can give this team a shot in the arm. I'm genuinely excited at what the arrival of McKenna can do for Darren McCurry next year.

If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.

If you need 4 opposition defenders to "take care" of the aboved named and then depending on Mc Curry to do "serious damage" Tyrone DONT stand a chance

How many other top counties are "hoping" their 5th/6th/7th best attacker does all the damage??

Who mentioned anything about him doing all the damage?

McCurry is the best finisher we have in the squad. Cillian O'Connor is the weakest player in the Mayo 15 and is the all time leading scorer in Championship history.

OMG !!!!! We may have just had the stupidest comment on here, O'Connor weakest player. WOW

Surely serious damage is most, if not all of the damage, same difference

Did you sit your GCSEs yet.

Serious is not most, by virtue of playing with better players and having more freedom to operate McCurry would have more scope and space to maximise his ability.

O'Connor is Mayo's weakest forward but he's a finisher and he thrives on playing in a team with strong runners like Durcan, Boyle, Keegan, O'Shea and his brother who draw fouls and consistently break tackles creating overlaps where he is then on hand to convert. He also benefitted from playing inside along one of the cleverest forwards and best ball winners in the game in Andy Moran.

That is an entirely rational point but given I seem to be conversing with an idiot here, I'm sure you'll struggle to comprehend.

Ok Mr Mc Curry, calm the t!ts. Your fwend Darren has had many opportunities with many good players surrounding him and never delivered when it mattered. Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley superior footballers and better finishers. Sure we'll count on him as Tyrones 7th best forward to do "serious damage" against Louth, Westmeath and Derry

Good to see when someone disagrees with your point you go all argumentative with defensive name calling, who are you really, Donald Trump??

P.S What are GCSE's

I've been a critic of McCurry in the past but I think he's brought his game to another level this year, he had been Tyrone's best player in the league this season before it was abandoned. He came into the side as an 18 year old and has had to deal with the scoring burden being rested on his shoulders in that time, anyone can see the talent he has but he's a confidence player. In a forward line with McShane, Donnelly, Harte and McKenna I think we could finally see McCurry have the freedom to really deliver. He's only 27 and there's probably only 3 or 4 players currently playing who have scored more than McCurry for Tyrone in Championship football.

McCurry, Bradley and Brennan are all very talented forwards. I'd probably rate Bradley as the best of them but I don't think he can score as heavily as McCurry at intercounty level. Brennan is talented but needs to adapt his game if he wants to succeed, I would say he is a bit off the level of McCurry and Bradley at present. Realistically you can only fit one of them in the team at present and that's why Brennan opted off, he was third in line between the three of them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 29, 2020, 11:25:44 AM
7 new players added to the Tyrone u20 panel for the game against Dublin in 2 and a bit weeks.

Anybody know if Canavan has any chance of making it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 29, 2020, 11:32:38 AM
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Seven new faces in Tyrone U20 squad for All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin

Dungannon's Conall Devlin is one of seven new faces in the Tyrone U20 panel. Picture Seamus Loughran.
     
Andy Watters
29 September, 2020 01:00

SENIOR championship winner Conal Devlin is one of seven new faces called into the Tyrone U20 panel for next month's All-Ireland semi-final clash with Dublin.

The Dungannon youngster, who starred at corner-back in his club's run to their first title in 64 years, is rewarded with a spot in the Red Hand side that plays the Leinster champions on Saturday, October 17.

Also called up to the Paul Devlin-managed side is Ardboe's Oran Mulgrew (younger brother of senior star David), Mark Hayes, Oisin McCann (younger brother of Tiarnan and Conall) and John Rafferty (all Killyclogher), Eoghan Robinson (Errigal Ciaran) and Carrickmore centre half-forward Rory Donnelly.

Tyrone were originally scheduled to play Dublin on St Patrick's Day and the squad trained on March 10 before all GAA activities were shut-down. Club action resumed after lockdown so six months had gone by before they met again earlier this month.

"You see big changes over six months in lads of 19 or 20 years old," said assistant-manager Dermot Carlin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 29, 2020, 11:34:23 AM
Ordhan Robinson and Oisin McCann looked top quality.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 29, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 29, 2020, 11:34:23 AM
Ordhan Robinson and Oisin McCann looked top quality.

Robinson looks raw but has great potential, when he fills out he could become an excellent target man.

McCann also looks good but has a bit of filling out to do as well.

Good to see Hayes back in there, he looked like a massive talent at u17 but seems to have fallen off the radar.

Is Conroy on or off the panel? He hit 13 points for Moy in the Championship and would surely be in the mix for a starting berth if available.

It's quite a sea of change for 6 months though, be interesting to see how many of them get game time against Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 29, 2020, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 29, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on September 29, 2020, 11:34:23 AM
Ordhan Robinson and Oisin McCann looked top quality.

Robinson looks raw but has great potential, when he fills out he could become an excellent target man.

McCann also looks good but has a bit of filling out to do as well.

Good to see Hayes back in there, he looked like a massive talent at u17 but seems to have fallen off the radar.

Is Conroy on or off the panel? He hit 13 points for Moy in the Championship and would surely be in the mix for a starting berth if available.

It's quite a sea of change for 6 months though, be interesting to see how many of them get game time against Dublin.

Off field behavioural issues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on September 29, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Good god,  another McCann??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on September 29, 2020, 12:05:15 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 29, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Good god,  another McCann??

Life Of Cooper

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 29, 2020, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 29, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Good god,  another McCann??
Most likely another dud...

Conroy massive miss to that team.. He's head and shoulders the best forward of that age in the county. That's including Canavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on September 29, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 29, 2020, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 29, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Good god,  another McCann??
Most likely another dud...


Pathetic comment about a 19/20 year old lad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 29, 2020, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 29, 2020, 01:17:07 PM

Conroy massive miss to that team.. He's head and shoulders the best forward of that age in the country. That's including Canavan

Bit of hyperbole there.

The Archer lad for Dublin is probably the best forward in the country at this age level and Conroy wasn't able to get in ahead of the likes of Canavan and Quinn on last year's team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 29, 2020, 02:51:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 29, 2020, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on September 29, 2020, 01:17:07 PM

Conroy massive miss to that team.. He's head and shoulders the best forward of that age in the country. That's including Canavan

Bit of hyperbole there.

The Archer lad for Dublin is probably the best forward in the country at this age level and Conroy wasn't able to get in ahead of the likes of Canavan and Quinn on last year's team.
Sorry, I meant county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on September 29, 2020, 05:54:40 PM
Any additions to the senior panel bar McKenna?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on September 29, 2020, 08:08:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 29, 2020, 11:32:38 AM
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Seven new faces in Tyrone U20 squad for All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin

Dungannon's Conall Devlin is one of seven new faces in the Tyrone U20 panel. Picture Seamus Loughran.
     
Andy Watters
29 September, 2020 01:00

SENIOR championship winner Conal Devlin is one of seven new faces called into the Tyrone U20 panel for next month's All-Ireland semi-final clash with Dublin.

The Dungannon youngster, who starred at corner-back in his club's run to their first title in 64 years, is rewarded with a spot in the Red Hand side that plays the Leinster champions on Saturday, October 17.

Also called up to the Paul Devlin-managed side is Ardboe's Oran Mulgrew (younger brother of senior star David), Mark Hayes, Oisin McCann (younger brother of Tiarnan and Conall) and John Rafferty (all Killyclogher), Eoghan Robinson (Errigal Ciaran) and Carrickmore centre half-forward Rory Donnelly.

Tyrone were originally scheduled to play Dublin on St Patrick's Day and the squad trained on March 10 before all GAA activities were shut-down. Club action resumed after lockdown so six months had gone by before they met again earlier this month.

"You see big changes over six months in lads of 19 or 20 years old," said assistant-manager Dermot Carlin.

I think all of these lads are underage for u20s next year also so I think this is a shrewd move. If they get game time v Dublin then that's a bonus and if not they've been exposed to a county set up preparing for an all-Ireland semi final which will stand to them for next year.

Hayes, McCann and Robinson are all big lads who can play in the forward line and I think these are the type of guys we should be investing time in. The county seems to be coming down with small skillful forwards and the under 20 team is no different with Canavan and Quinn. But these type of players also need someone with more physical presence to play off.

It's similar to the long standing midfield issue discussed on here last week, and we should remember the aim of the game for underage football is to supply the senior team. So in a given year you might have a midfielder or full forward with all the physical attributes but who is a bit raw - persisting with this player and investing time and coaching in him might cost us a couple of underage games but in the long run it will help the senior team more than if we are only producing the prototype Tyrone nippy skillful forward who struggles to win his own ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 04, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
Looking like its curtains for the county season.Level 5 coming again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on October 05, 2020, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 04, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
Looking like its curtains for the county season.Level 5 coming again.

Better off just cancelling the Championship now rather than starting it & not being able to finish it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 05, 2020, 09:48:43 AM
Will we even get the league finished.

Never mind the cship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 11:03:20 AM
Things are very hush, hush around the county panel.

Is McKenna the only addition?

I see Canavan is available for the u20s this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 13, 2020, 11:42:04 AM
I don't even know if McKenna is with/how long he's been with the county panel as he didn't even tog out for Eglish in the league final.

Panel is the same bar a few whispers of who might be coming in for Cavanagh. Tyrone I think maybe actually had to cut a few players because you can only have 32 now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 13, 2020, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 13, 2020, 11:42:04 AM
I don't even know if McKenna is with/how long he's been with the county panel as he didn't even tog out for Eglish in the league final.

Panel is the same bar a few whispers of who might be coming in for Cavanagh. Tyrone I think maybe actually had to cut a few players because you can only have 32 now?

I don't think Tyrone carry that big of a panel in any case?

We had a few guys drop themselves off the panel early doors this year.

McKenna is back in and has trained from what I have heard but I didn't hear anyhing else.

Bound to be a few guys carrying injuries too who may not be involved this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
Sean Cavanagh having a whinge in the Irish independent today about Colm not getting a public thank you from the county board. Is that a thing they do? Not sure what they were expecting?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 09:26:34 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
Sean Cavanagh having a whinge in the Irish independent today about Colm not getting a public thank you from the county board. Is that a thing they do? Not sure what they were expecting?

Sean is hard listen to these days, sadly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 09:32:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 09:26:34 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
Sean Cavanagh having a whinge in the Irish independent today about Colm not getting a public thank you from the county board. Is that a thing they do? Not sure what they were expecting?

Sean is hard listen to these days, sadly.

Yeah he makes the Sunday Game unwatchable when he is on.

Looking forward to this weekends matches. Will mickey throw McKenna straight in or leave him to 1st November? You would think both teams would be going with fairly strong teams to blow the cobwebs off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on October 16, 2020, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
Sean Cavanagh having a whinge in the Irish independent today about Colm not getting a public thank you from the county board. Is that a thing they do? Not sure what they were expecting?

I see he uas also come out with the claim that "players will be encouraged to hide potential symptoms of sickness and illness". What a load of utter dung.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 09:32:39 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 09:26:34 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
Sean Cavanagh having a whinge in the Irish independent today about Colm not getting a public thank you from the county board. Is that a thing they do? Not sure what they were expecting?

Sean is hard listen to these days, sadly.

Yeah he makes the Sunday Game unwatchable when he is on.

Looking forward to this weekends matches. Will mickey throw McKenna straight in or leave him to 1st November? You would think both teams would be going with fairly strong teams to blow the cobwebs off.

It will be interesting.

All camps seem to keeping things very hush, hush. No word on any new faces other than McKenna.

Not too sure on the injury front but pretty much all the regulars were fit and available for their clubs during club championship.

I forget what way the table was but I think we need a win from one of our last two games to keep us up?

Two defeats would likely relegate us if Mayo win a the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 16, 2020, 10:13:58 AM
Cavanagh would be better keeping quiet. Makes a mockery of himself, ruins what was an exceptional footballing career.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 10:17:18 AM
As a matter of interest how do wee us lining out for Donegal in Championship?

I would say if we have all fit and available, bar McShane.

1. Morgan
2. Rafferty
3. McNamee
4. Brennan
5. McCann
6. Hampsey
7. Burns
8. R Donnelly
9. Kennedy
10. Mattie
11. Sludden
12. McKenna
13. McCurry
14. Harte
15. McGeary

The players in bold I would say are guaranteed starters if fit and available given their standing/league form.

I'd throw McKenna straigh back in for Championship, the more football he plays at this point the better. I don't think anyone is overly invested in this year, it's probably more of a bridge to next season.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 16, 2020, 10:22:47 AM
Potentially a brilliant weekend of football ahead, but the county boards etc haven't done much to promote the games. Still no team or squad news

Reality is as there is no gate money they ain't bothered.

Normally it's nice to come in under the radar, but I think on this occasion whoever wins the league match will also be victorious in the championship in a fortnight's time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 10:24:40 AM
Probably wouldn't be far away with that lineup. I would love to see Bradley get a spot but it's probably between him and McCurry. Richie Donnelly looked injured during trillicks run. He was more or less on one leg in the semi final. Hampsey I thought was poor in Coalislands run and there may be fitness issues there but would still be expecting him to be a starter. Not sure if he'd be able for Murphy though?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: God14 on October 16, 2020, 10:22:47 AM
Potentially a brilliant weekend of football ahead, but the county boards etc haven't done much to promote the games. Still no team or squad news


I'd also imagine that Covid could drastically alter a teamsheet if someone felt unwell shortly before a game.

There has been very little word on movement in the big senior squads. Considering our u20s added 7 new players I find it surprising we might only have McKenna back particularly off the back of a club championship where there were a lot of impressive performers currently outside the county panel.

Donegal have been involved in a number of challenge matches of late so I'd say they will be that bit sharper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 10:24:40 AM
Probably wouldn't be far away with that lineup. I would love to see Bradley get a spot but it's probably between him and McCurry. Richie Donnelly looked injured during trillicks run. He was more or less on one leg in the semi final. Hampsey I thought was poor in Coalislands run and there may be fitness issues there but would still be expecting him to be a starter. Not sure if he'd be able for Murphy though?

Hampsey's form is a worry, he hasn't been right since 2018 but we really the kind of phsyical presence he brings to our defence without him there. Thought R Donnelly had a good semi final after departing with an injury against Killyclogher. Unfortunately it's either Bradley or McCurry for me and I think McCurry brings that bit extra scoring power.

Ideally I'd like to see us have a target man in that full forward line but Harte will have to do. Could potentially try someone like C McCann in there for one of the league games and see how he goes.

I'm probably more looking forward to the u20 game this weekend, I think we have some real quality in that forward line and it's great Canavan is going to be available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 16, 2020, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 10:24:40 AM
Probably wouldn't be far away with that lineup. I would love to see Bradley get a spot but it's probably between him and McCurry. Richie Donnelly looked injured during trillicks run. He was more or less on one leg in the semi final. Hampsey I thought was poor in Coalislands run and there may be fitness issues there but would still be expecting him to be a starter. Not sure if he'd be able for Murphy though?

Hampsey's form is a worry, he hasn't been right since 2018 but we really the kind of phsyical presence he brings to our defence without him there. Thought R Donnelly had a good semi final after departing with an injury against Killyclogher. Unfortunately it's either Bradley or McCurry for me and I think McCurry brings that bit extra scoring power.

Ideally I'd like to see us have a target man in that full forward line but Harte will have to do. Could potentially try someone like C McCann in there for one of the league games and see how he goes.

I'm probably more looking forward to the u20 game this weekend, I think we have some real quality in that forward line and it's great Canavan is going to be available.

I'd have both start on any Tyrone team long before Niall Sludden.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 16, 2020, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 16, 2020, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 10:24:40 AM
Probably wouldn't be far away with that lineup. I would love to see Bradley get a spot but it's probably between him and McCurry. Richie Donnelly looked injured during trillicks run. He was more or less on one leg in the semi final. Hampsey I thought was poor in Coalislands run and there may be fitness issues there but would still be expecting him to be a starter. Not sure if he'd be able for Murphy though?

Hampsey's form is a worry, he hasn't been right since 2018 but we really the kind of phsyical presence he brings to our defence without him there. Thought R Donnelly had a good semi final after departing with an injury against Killyclogher. Unfortunately it's either Bradley or McCurry for me and I think McCurry brings that bit extra scoring power.

Ideally I'd like to see us have a target man in that full forward line but Harte will have to do. Could potentially try someone like C McCann in there for one of the league games and see how he goes.

I'm probably more looking forward to the u20 game this weekend, I think we have some real quality in that forward line and it's great Canavan is going to be available.

I'd have both start on any Tyrone team long before Niall Sludden.

There's a valid point there too.

Bradley played his best football for Tyrone at 11 in our run in 2015.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 11:10:53 AM
I'm a fan of Bradley and would have the two of them starting. I was more thinking of what Mickey Harte is likely to do. I liked Bradley at 11 in 2015 played very well that year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on October 16, 2020, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 16, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
Sean Cavanagh having a whinge in the Irish independent today about Colm not getting a public thank you from the county board. Is that a thing they do? Not sure what they were expecting?

Jebus would he ever wind the neck in. Maybe they should reconvene the 2008 county board to make an official statement? Like the officers don't have enough to be at any time, or at the present time. Fully expect individual and collective statements from the Tyrone players in future when longstanding county board members finish in role. The man needs a reality check, the players would be nothing without the administrators and vice versa.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on October 16, 2020, 07:27:31 PM
Colm hasn't exactly been praising Harte in recent interviews (not that he has to, I'm sure they spoke on the phone after the retirement decision) but I'm sure he is embarrassed in a way at Big Sean using his name for publicity again. 

Agree with Angelo, looking forward to the under 20s more so than the Seniors, deserve to see that Championship read up at least - would be great to beat the Dubs

Mark Bradley bound to be near a starting place after his performances for club particularly vs Trillick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on October 16, 2020, 08:47:20 PM
Was Paul Donaghy called up?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 17, 2020, 04:57:45 PM
U20s ran out of gas earlier.

Dublin looked much fitter and more physically developed.

Their backs were able to bomb forward at will and had our forwards trailing in their wake as they ran it out from the back.

Think the real difference was between the two teams approaches to each others kick outs. Every time Dublin had a kick out they were able to get it started off nice and short with little pressure from the Tyrone forwards. In contrast the Tyrone keeper was forced to hit it long pretty much every time as Dublin pushed up really aggressively on the kickouts. That may boil back to fitness though as to keep that type of press up for an entire game takes great energy.

Think we had a lot more quality in our forwards than Dublin. Quinn, Canavan and Jordan have great quality that will hopefully transfer to the seniors in the coming years. Both Quinn and Canavan really dropped out of the game in the second half though. Fox was also a big loss in the defence.

Probably the second year in a row we have left an AI SF behind us at this level though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on October 17, 2020, 06:23:46 PM
That was some roaring the Dubs did on every Tyrone kick out in the second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 16, 2020, 08:47:20 PM
Was Paul Donaghy called up?

No
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on October 17, 2020, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 16, 2020, 08:47:20 PM
Was Paul Donaghy called up?

No
Extremely bizarre and disgraceful that someone who hasnt played gaelic in like 6 or 7 years, since he was 18, gets called into the county panel instead of someone who scored like fcuk in the championship..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on October 17, 2020, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 17, 2020, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 16, 2020, 08:47:20 PM
Was Paul Donaghy called up?

No
Extremely bizarre and disgraceful that someone who hasnt played gaelic in like 6 or 7 years, since he was 18, gets called into the county panel instead of someone who scored like fcuk in the championship..

I'd assume he's waiting to call up Players from Clubs until the new season.

If Conor McKenna wasn't home, there'd likely have been no additions to the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 18, 2020, 12:12:23 AM
Think those who are in line for next year are in a wider panel right now. GAA rules say you can only have a panel of 32. McKenna is a direct replacement for Cavanagh. All very hush hush to be honest as most of them with Covid aren't exactly meant to be training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on October 18, 2020, 12:51:04 AM
conflicted feelings on the u-20's, on the plus side your in a AI semi and are in the mix of the best in the country (albeit a fairly messed up year) and to be fair to Dublin they where more physically developed and athletic so when they stepped it up a more lightweight and 1 dimensional tyrone had no answer. The most frustrating thing personally was that the amount of poor decisions & kick passing ( particularly into 1 & 2 sweepers) was poor viewing, still would only pick 2 or 3 to have any impact on the senior panel, where in an ideal world you would want at least 5 to be putting their hands up
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on October 18, 2020, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on October 18, 2020, 12:51:04 AM
conflicted feelings on the u-20's, on the plus side your in a AI semi and are in the mix of the best in the country (albeit a fairly messed up year) and to be fair to Dublin they where more physically developed and athletic so when they stepped it up a more lightweight and 1 dimensional tyrone had no answer. The most frustrating thing personally was that the amount of poor decisions & kick passing ( particularly into 1 & 2 sweepers) was poor viewing, still would only pick 2 or 3 to have any impact on the senior panel, where in an ideal world you would want at least 5 to be putting their hands up

Can't help but think we.threw that away yesterday. Again lost on line. Was it not 2 or 3 years ago devlin played a few sweepers in a minor championship game against Derry when trailing quite significantly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 18, 2020, 08:33:38 AM
Ethan Jordan could probably physically fit in straight away to the seniors.....Harte would have him roaded if he tried that kick passing though.

Feel sorry for the u20s. It was there for them, few men missing, they might have held on if they had been there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 18, 2020, 09:38:57 AM
Is it correct that 14 of the dubs team are eligible next year?.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 18, 2020, 12:24:30 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on October 18, 2020, 12:51:04 AM
conflicted feelings on the u-20's, on the plus side your in a AI semi and are in the mix of the best in the country (albeit a fairly messed up year) and to be fair to Dublin they where more physically developed and athletic so when they stepped it up a more lightweight and 1 dimensional tyrone had no answer. The most frustrating thing personally was that the amount of poor decisions & kick passing ( particularly into 1 & 2 sweepers) was poor viewing, still would only pick 2 or 3 to have any impact on the senior panel, where in an ideal world you would want at least 5 to be putting their hands up
By my judging I would say at least 7 or 8 players have put their hands up of that under 20 team. That's not including murnaghan or conroy. So if we were to get another 3 out them 7/8 it wouldn't be far away from your 5 players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 12:43:43 PM
Not too many players step straight in out of u20 level anymore.

Even if you look at the 2015 U21 team, it took guys like McGeary, Burns an Hamspey a while to establish themselves and the extra year can make a whole lot of difference.

There's certainly a good number of those that played yesterday good enough for seniors but I'd say that in the physical levels, they are all probably a year or two short.

Quinn and Grimes came in from last years u20 side for this campaign but I'd say it will probably be another year or two until we see them challenging strongly for starting spots.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 18, 2020, 01:27:22 PM
McKenna starting for Tyrone!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 18, 2020, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 18, 2020, 01:27:22 PM
McKenna starting for Tyrone!!

No chance he came home without assurances on his spot and role in County Panel. Wonder if he actually plays half forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 18, 2020, 02:33:07 PM
Big pressure on getting the two points today with the way Mayo are going at the minute against Galway. Could come down to a relegation play off effectively next weekend v Mayo if we don't get the win today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 18, 2020, 02:58:15 PM
Big pressure on both Tyrone and Donegal  to get points today. Should make for a good game. I see the half of errigal on the bench today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 18, 2020, 04:25:32 PM
If Colm Cavanagh was playing, Donegal don't score that 1st goal. Need that problem fixed ASAP
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 18, 2020, 04:25:32 PM
If Colm Cavanagh was playing, Donegal don't score that 1st goal. Need that problem fixed ASAP

That's not the first time McKernan has gone running towards a guy coming through like a bull in a china shop and left them a big gap to run into. The signs were there last year, the Donegal game, against Cork where if teams run down the middle at us then there are goals to be got.

We badly need a no 6 who can hold the middle and organise the defence a bit better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 18, 2020, 04:54:26 PM
He sold 3 defenders a dummy took them out of the game. Hampsey went to cover the space inside the box instead of cutting out the immediate danger. It could be a short year if we leak goals that easy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 18, 2020, 04:54:26 PM
He sold 3 defenders a dummy took them out of the game. Hampsey went to cover the space inside the box instead of cutting out the immediate danger. It could be a short year if we leak goals that easy.

McKernan was the guy in the best position to hold his ground and he vacated it and left all of it open when there were enough Tyrone players around to deal with Mogan.

He's a good player but he keeps on making the same type of mistakes again and again, surely a top class set up should be seeing this and coaching it out of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on October 18, 2020, 05:48:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 18, 2020, 04:57:48 PM
Mc kernan is not up to it,too focused on his appearance and how well his tan is fucksake,and you're going f**king nowhere with 2 Pomeroy players starting in that team,oh give me strength

Such a statement, hell of alot worse players on that tyrone team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 05:58:01 PM
That was a bit of a shitshow.

Two defeats to see the year out on the cards now.

TBH when the news came through of McShane being out for the rest of the year I had it wrote off now but it looks like Div 2 is likely now next year on the respective performances of Tyrone and Mayo today.

We have no midfield and we have a gaping hole right in the middle of our defence that is going to leak goals against a decent side, if you run down our centre you will create openings. We badly need an established no 6 who just holds that central channnel, I think Hampsey is probably the best man for the job if he gets back to form and fitness.

The midfield conundrum is now big, R Donnelly and Kennedy weren't involved today but we did have the likes of McClure and Kilpatrick on the bench and I think we are robbing Peter to pay Paul when we have the likes of Hampsey and McKenna plugging a gap in there. We got destroyed in the middle of the pitch on our kickouts. Donegal were able to get there restarts off without any pressure.

That was a hugely encouraging first showing from McKenna, 1-2 from play, won a lot of ball, set up another 2 scores, he's going to be huge for us going forward.

I was all for giving Harte another year before today but with that performance and how dysfunctional and open we look I think it's probably the right team to bring in a new management team next year.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 18, 2020, 05:58:11 PM
After all the excitement of the Tyrone club championship it's back to that boring unimaginative dross. Virtually no inside forward line until MC Kenna went in. No creativity, no spark. When will it all end?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on October 18, 2020, 06:03:46 PM
Quote from: referee on October 18, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
Tell me then,What does mcgeary and burns bring to the team

Fouling and loads of stupid decision making..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on October 18, 2020, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 18, 2020, 05:58:11 PM
After all the excitement of the Tyrone club championship it's back to that boring unimaginative dross. Virtually no inside forward line until MC Kenna went in. No creativity, no spark. When will it all end?

In total agreement. Utter rubbish you have forwards such as Mc curry, Mc kenna and bradley and you expect them to play in there own 45. Whose in charge horse or harte as it looked like horse was in full control in the water breaks. Relegation next week will hopefully get rid of this defensive dross that's stifling some of the best forwards in ulster. New setup needed urgently
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on October 18, 2020, 06:50:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 18, 2020, 06:03:46 PM
Quote from: referee on October 18, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
Tell me then,What does mcgeary and burns bring to the team

Fouling and loads of stupid decision making..

What did the other 13 bring today then. McKenna scoring 1-2 was the only.positive today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
The thing about getting rid of Harte, is there an outstanding candidate available? I don't really see anything inside the county at present that I would look as a marked improvement on Harte. I think a lot of our underage teams in recent years have underachieved and no club manager has been able to do back to backs in Tyrone to make them a viable candidate.

Canavan has that x factor but he has a nice little gig going as it is and I really don't think he'd be interested. He hasn't really managed anyone of note since Fermanagh anyway?

Would we hire an outsider? Malachy O'Rourke did a great job with Monaghan and I think he'd do well with Tyrone but I don't see him bringing the swashbuckling football some seem to think we should be playing. I couldn't see McGuinness taking the job or the Tyrone Co Board affording him but I think he could work wonders with this bunch of players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 18, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
I wouldn't rule out a win next weekend and I wouldn't rule us out from going down and getting a win in the championship down there either. As bad as we were we still could have got something. Harte could have us all fooled. Still as someone else pointed out to go from watching the brilliant club football to watching that would turn your stomach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on October 18, 2020, 09:45:46 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on October 18, 2020, 06:50:49 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 18, 2020, 06:03:46 PM
Quote from: referee on October 18, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
Tell me then,What does mcgeary and burns bring to the team

Fouling and loads of stupid decision making..

What did the other 13 bring today then. McKenna scoring 1-2 was the only.positive today.
McCann and McKernan are bigger problems for Tyrone than McGeary and Burns, Sludden poor again - a worrying trend for him since 2018, pushing defenders into midfield isn't the solution going by today - Richie Donnelly and one of Kennedy or Kilpatrick is the only way to go in this area.
Why was Richie, Cassidy, Bradley and Peter Harte not involved in the panel today?
McKenna was a positive once he moved to full forward. Rafferty from an attacking perspective showed some potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sportacus on October 18, 2020, 09:47:00 PM
Tyrone are coached with fear. Everyone back.  And still got cut open. Armagh were the same yesterday.  Bizarre considering the good forwards both teams have. Rest of the country have moved on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 18, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
The thing about getting rid of Harte, is there an outstanding candidate available? I don't really see anything inside the county at present that I would look as a marked improvement on Harte. I think a lot of our underage teams in recent years have underachieved and no club manager has been able to do back to backs in Tyrone to make them a viable candidate.

Canavan has that x factor but he has a nice little gig going as it is and I really don't think he'd be interested. He hasn't really managed anyone of note since Fermanagh anyway?

Would we hire an outsider? Malachy O'Rourke did a great job with Monaghan and I think he'd do well with Tyrone but I don't see him bringing the swashbuckling football some seem to think we should be playing. I couldn't see McGuinness taking the job or the Tyrone Co Board affording him but I think he could work wonders with this bunch of players.
Anything to be said for Fergal Logan and his team from the U21 All Ireland winners of 2015 of Canavan and Dooher, even adding someone like Collie Holmes as well?
Majority of that panel have been brought through (potentially could even get Brennan, McNulty, Mullan back involved) and are being backboned by the last 2 U20 teams as well as still having the last few years of Mattie, McNammee and Harte, a new voice could make a big difference to what will still be an impressive panel in 2021.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 18, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
The thing about getting rid of Harte, is there an outstanding candidate available? I don't really see anything inside the county at present that I would look as a marked improvement on Harte. I think a lot of our underage teams in recent years have underachieved and no club manager has been able to do back to backs in Tyrone to make them a viable candidate.

Canavan has that x factor but he has a nice little gig going as it is and I really don't think he'd be interested. He hasn't really managed anyone of note since Fermanagh anyway?

Would we hire an outsider? Malachy O'Rourke did a great job with Monaghan and I think he'd do well with Tyrone but I don't see him bringing the swashbuckling football some seem to think we should be playing. I couldn't see McGuinness taking the job or the Tyrone Co Board affording him but I think he could work wonders with this bunch of players.
Anything to be said for Fergal Logan and his team from the U21 All Ireland winners of 2015 of Canavan and Dooher, even adding someone like Collie Holmes as well?
Majority of that panel have been brought through (potentially could even get Brennan, McNulty, Mullan back involved) and are being backboned by the last 2 U20 teams as well as still having the last few years of Mattie, McNammee and Harte, a new voice could make a big difference to what will still be an impressive panel in 2021.

Harte has done Tyrone enormous service. I think overall he deserves credit for how he has kept Tyrone at the top table in that last decade despite not winning an AI but I think we are now back reaching a talent level that should have us pushing for an AI and things seem to have gone a little stale.

When we have a full contingent available we have a team now capable of winning an All Ireland with McKenna back.

Logan is an option but has he managed anyone since stepping away from the u21s. Would Canavan leave his Sky gig to take up a role?

Midfield is a concern but as someone said earlier, I'd rather we went with actual midfielders than moving forwards and defenders out there. Kilpatrick and Kennedy are raw and unproven but as well let them at it and see how they get on. I'd worry about R Donnelly's pace in midfield but he's a very good footballer and won't get pushed about so I think we should go with him and one of Kennedy/Kilpatrick if they are available.

Our defensive shape is a big worry, we don't seem to have any player tasked with shoring up the middle of the defence, if teams run at us we part like the red sea. We need a designated 6, some players that's going to hold that central channel and organise the defence and make sure teams can't just run through us.

I think the panel needs a bit of upheavel at this point. Too many players there who have had enough time to prove themselves like Ronan O'Neill and Conall McCann, nothing against the lads but they haven't been good enough and it's time to give new players the chance.

Should any of the u20s start next week? Would Canavan be worth a 20 minute cameo?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on October 18, 2020, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on October 18, 2020, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 18, 2020, 05:58:11 PM
After all the excitement of the Tyrone club championship it's back to that boring unimaginative dross. Virtually no inside forward line until MC Kenna went in. No creativity, no spark. When will it all end?

In total agreement. Utter rubbish you have forwards such as Mc curry, Mc kenna and bradley and you expect them to play in there own 45. Whose in charge horse or harte as it looked like horse was in full control in the water breaks. Relegation next week will hopefully get rid of this defensive dross that's stifling some of the best forwards in ulster. New setup needed urgently

100%
Some brilliant players who are obviously frustrated and sick of this management. Fresh start please.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 19, 2020, 07:39:54 AM
Just thinking about Ronan o Neill, only a few weeks ago he received the golden boot as top scorer in Tyrone league, puts on a Tyrone jersey, comes on yesterday and misses a straightforward free.wtf?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 08:12:11 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 19, 2020, 07:39:54 AM
Just thinking about Ronan o Neill, only a few weeks ago he received the golden boot as top scorer in Tyrone league, puts on a Tyrone jersey, comes on yesterday and misses a straightforward free.wtf?

O'Neill just isn't good enough unfortunately.

When Colm Cavanagh called it a day, we should have done all we could go get Paudie McNulty back on board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 19, 2020, 08:18:56 AM
Where do you start after watching that?

One massive positive was McKenna - he will be a massive addition for us if we use him correctly.

Next season himself & McShane up front with either McCurry or Bradley in the other corner. That would be ideal however given the defensive tripe we are playing I cant see that happening.

In Saturday nights game Armagh seemed to set up similar to us - plenty of offensive talent there but refuse to play those players in an advanced position. We should be miles ahead of an average Div 2 team in terms of tactical nous.

Harte has done for Tyrone what no one else has done but is there a time when we say thanks given we dont seem to be evolving? Watching other games yesterday the defensive game is not going to win you anything.

And if Harte goes then please dont say Devlin will replace him.

Frustrating as f**k.

Imagine we had asked Mugsy/ONeill/Canavan to play miles from the opposition goals
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 19, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
Yesterday was a game of shadow boxing be different in two weeks time imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 19, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
Yesterday was a game of shadow boxing be different in two weeks time imo.

Lets hope so, because that first half was absolute nonsense.

McKenna at Full Forward caused a bit of bother. How much of it was Donegal home and hosed, who knows but at least it looked a bit better shape wise. We are still in the situation where we have a mix and match of about any of 10 players on any given day could all start and there isn't a whole pile between any of them.

Donegal, for a county team that couldn't train together there for a few weeks looked a few levels above which is very worrying.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 09:51:49 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 19, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
Yesterday was a game of shadow boxing be different in two weeks time imo.

Lets hope so, because that first half was absolute nonsense.

McKenna at Full Forward caused a bit of bother. How much of it was Donegal home and hosed, who knows but at least it looked a bit better shape wise. We are still in the situation where we have a mix and match of about any of 10 players on any given day could all start and there isn't a whole pile between any of them.

Donegal, for a county team that couldn't train together there for a few weeks looked a few levels above which is very worrying.

Donegal have played a number of challenge games recently though, they played Mayo and Roscommon in the past two weeks.

McKenna did well at full forward and I'd keep him in there the next day, hopefully Harte is back too.

The big issues for me are the gaping hole in the middle of our defence, the lack of a midfield and the complete absence of a kickout strategy.

If you watch back yesterday, look at the difference between the two teams on kickouts, everytime Patton put the ball down there were Donegal players bursting into open space with no Tyrone player near them. In contrast anytime Morgan put the ball down every Tyrone man was pretty much marked tightly. Which led to Morgan having to go long down the pitch and allowed Donegal to dominate there, this is a clear failing on the training ground. Donegal targeted this relentlessly.

Kilpatrick/Kennedy/R Donnelly/McClure are the outright midfield options in our squad, just go with two of them, leave Hampsey in defence and leave McKenna and Mattie in the attack.

Who else was missing from the matchday squad yesterday? Kennedy and Harte were named but replaced and apart from that Cassidy, R Donnelly and Bradley were the only players I could think of not there that might have started. Coney is not getting much of a look in either, thought he would have been a better option to bring in ahead of O'Neill and Mulgrew.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 19, 2020, 09:56:24 AM
C Cavanagh was a huge miss in the heart of the defence
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 19, 2020, 09:58:05 AM
Hard to disagree with anything said above. McKenna and McCurry were the only bright sparks in my opinion. The 2 goals were shocking - a dummy took 3 men out and a simple handpass bypassed 5 men.

Tyrone do have a tendency to pull a performance out the following week after a poor performance but I just don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if they beat mayo and Donegal but I'm not optimistic.

How stupid was Rory Brennan by the way? That's him gone for 12 weeks pending an undoubted appeal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 09:51:49 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 19, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
Yesterday was a game of shadow boxing be different in two weeks time imo.

Lets hope so, because that first half was absolute nonsense.

McKenna at Full Forward caused a bit of bother. How much of it was Donegal home and hosed, who knows but at least it looked a bit better shape wise. We are still in the situation where we have a mix and match of about any of 10 players on any given day could all start and there isn't a whole pile between any of them.

Donegal, for a county team that couldn't train together there for a few weeks looked a few levels above which is very worrying.

Donegal have played a number of challenge games recently though, they played Mayo and Roscommon in the past two weeks.

McKenna did well at full forward and I'd keep him in there the next day, hopefully Harte is back too.

The big issues for me are the gaping hole in the middle of our defence, the lack of a midfield and the complete absence of a kickout strategy.

If you watch back yesterday, look at the difference between the two teams on kickouts, everytime Patton put the ball down there were Donegal players bursting into open space with no Tyrone player near them. In contrast anytime Morgan put the ball down every Tyrone man was pretty much marked tightly. Which led to Morgan having to go long down the pitch and allowed Donegal to dominate there, this is a clear failing on the training ground. Donegal targeted this relentlessly.

Kilpatrick/Kennedy/R Donnelly/McClure are the outright midfield options in our squad, just go with two of them, leave Hampsey in defence and leave McKenna and Mattie in the attack.

Who else was missing from the matchday squad yesterday? Kennedy and Harte were named but replaced and apart from that Cassidy, R Donnelly and Bradley were the only players I could think of not there that might have started. Coney is not getting much of a look in either, thought he would have been a better option to bring in ahead of O'Neill and Mulgrew.

Fair enough, I have heard Tyrone have played plenty of in house stuff though v U20s and a select which included some much promoted names on this board. Next Sunday v Mayo will be a Championship game in itself now.

Sure you know yourself, you won't see Kilpatrick this year. That's just what Harte does. Kennedy has been there a few years now and he's still unknown. Forget about McClure. He's been there even longer. I've a feeling you'll see McKenna go to Midfield in the Donegal Championship game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 19, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 09:51:49 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 19, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
Yesterday was a game of shadow boxing be different in two weeks time imo.

Lets hope so, because that first half was absolute nonsense.

McKenna at Full Forward caused a bit of bother. How much of it was Donegal home and hosed, who knows but at least it looked a bit better shape wise. We are still in the situation where we have a mix and match of about any of 10 players on any given day could all start and there isn't a whole pile between any of them.

Donegal, for a county team that couldn't train together there for a few weeks looked a few levels above which is very worrying.

Donegal have played a number of challenge games recently though, they played Mayo and Roscommon in the past two weeks.

McKenna did well at full forward and I'd keep him in there the next day, hopefully Harte is back too.

The big issues for me are the gaping hole in the middle of our defence, the lack of a midfield and the complete absence of a kickout strategy.

If you watch back yesterday, look at the difference between the two teams on kickouts, everytime Patton put the ball down there were Donegal players bursting into open space with no Tyrone player near them. In contrast anytime Morgan put the ball down every Tyrone man was pretty much marked tightly. Which led to Morgan having to go long down the pitch and allowed Donegal to dominate there, this is a clear failing on the training ground. Donegal targeted this relentlessly.

Kilpatrick/Kennedy/R Donnelly/McClure are the outright midfield options in our squad, just go with two of them, leave Hampsey in defence and leave McKenna and Mattie in the attack.

Who else was missing from the matchday squad yesterday? Kennedy and Harte were named but replaced and apart from that Cassidy, R Donnelly and Bradley were the only players I could think of not there that might have started. Coney is not getting much of a look in either, thought he would have been a better option to bring in ahead of O'Neill and Mulgrew.

Fair enough, I have heard Tyrone have played plenty of in house stuff though v U20s and a select which included some much promoted names on this board. Next Sunday v Mayo will be a Championship game in itself now.

Sure you know yourself, you won't see Kilpatrick this year. That's just what Harte does. Kennedy has been there a few years now and he's still unknown. Forget about McClure. He's been there even longer. I've a feeling you'll see McKenna go to Midfield in the Donegal Championship game.

Were players not currently on the panel asked in for in house games? Any names?

Rory Brennan will be a huge loss if he's out for remainder of the year. He's one of our go to man markers for the oppositions more physical forward and rarely lets us down. Thought he did a decent job on Murphy yesterday too. Bit late for this year but I think Peter Teague from Dromore is capable of performing a similar role, he impressed in the club championship this year.

Angelo's point on the kickouts was a key one from yesterday. Over the past few years, when the ball goes dead we've gotten so used to the TV coverage showing replays of scores and by the time the camera switches back to the play the kickout has been taken and we've missed what's happened. For so many of Morgan's kickouts yesterday, after the replay it panned back to the action and he was still standing over the ball trying for find an option, and eventually had to go long where our makeshift midfield inevitably lost out to Donegal's bigger men. It was unlike us as we're usually good at getting the short kickouts away and this is even more important when we don't have big targets in the middle of the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on October 19, 2020, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 19, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 09:51:49 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 19, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
Quote from: skeog on October 19, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
Yesterday was a game of shadow boxing be different in two weeks time imo.

Lets hope so, because that first half was absolute nonsense.

McKenna at Full Forward caused a bit of bother. How much of it was Donegal home and hosed, who knows but at least it looked a bit better shape wise. We are still in the situation where we have a mix and match of about any of 10 players on any given day could all start and there isn't a whole pile between any of them.

Donegal, for a county team that couldn't train together there for a few weeks looked a few levels above which is very worrying.

Donegal have played a number of challenge games recently though, they played Mayo and Roscommon in the past two weeks.

McKenna did well at full forward and I'd keep him in there the next day, hopefully Harte is back too.

The big issues for me are the gaping hole in the middle of our defence, the lack of a midfield and the complete absence of a kickout strategy.

If you watch back yesterday, look at the difference between the two teams on kickouts, everytime Patton put the ball down there were Donegal players bursting into open space with no Tyrone player near them. In contrast anytime Morgan put the ball down every Tyrone man was pretty much marked tightly. Which led to Morgan having to go long down the pitch and allowed Donegal to dominate there, this is a clear failing on the training ground. Donegal targeted this relentlessly.

Kilpatrick/Kennedy/R Donnelly/McClure are the outright midfield options in our squad, just go with two of them, leave Hampsey in defence and leave McKenna and Mattie in the attack.

Who else was missing from the matchday squad yesterday? Kennedy and Harte were named but replaced and apart from that Cassidy, R Donnelly and Bradley were the only players I could think of not there that might have started. Coney is not getting much of a look in either, thought he would have been a better option to bring in ahead of O'Neill and Mulgrew.

Fair enough, I have heard Tyrone have played plenty of in house stuff though v U20s and a select which included some much promoted names on this board. Next Sunday v Mayo will be a Championship game in itself now.

Sure you know yourself, you won't see Kilpatrick this year. That's just what Harte does. Kennedy has been there a few years now and he's still unknown. Forget about McClure. He's been there even longer. I've a feeling you'll see McKenna go to Midfield in the Donegal Championship game.

Were players not currently on the panel asked in for in house games? Any names?

Rory Brennan will be a huge loss if he's out for remainder of the year. He's one of our go to man markers for the oppositions more physical forward and rarely lets us down. Thought he did a decent job on Murphy yesterday too. Bit late for this year but I think Peter Teague from Dromore is capable of performing a similar role, he impressed in the club championship this year.

Angelo's point on the kickouts was a key one from yesterday. Over the past few years, when the ball goes dead we've gotten so used to the TV coverage showing replays of scores and by the time the camera switches back to the play the kickout has been taken and we've missed what's happened. For so many of Morgan's kickouts yesterday, after the replay it panned back to the action and he was still standing over the ball trying for find an option, and eventually had to go long where our makeshift midfield inevitably lost out to Donegal's bigger men. It was unlike us as we're usually good at getting the short kickouts away and this is even more important when we don't have big targets in the middle of the field.

I thought  the main problem with kickouts  to midfield was that HB &HF completely misread the breaking ball. It was evident that donegal were intent on break ball/ punching it forward, tyrone HB far to far forward to intercept breaks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 19, 2020, 11:52:40 AM
Quote from: delgany on October 19, 2020, 10:54:04 AM

I thought  the main problem with kickouts  to midfield was that HB &HF completely misread the breaking ball. It was evident that donegal were intent on break ball/ punching it forward, tyrone HB far to far forward to intercept breaks.

This is the point though. The top sides at the moment don't rely on break ball for the most part. They are able to work short kickouts or have free men and overloads on the wings. Yesterday Morgan didn't seem to have many options other than to hit it long down the middle at which point it is a 50/ 50 ball at best, and in reality even less given out makeshift midfield.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 19, 2020, 11:52:40 AM
Quote from: delgany on October 19, 2020, 10:54:04 AM

I thought  the main problem with kickouts  to midfield was that HB &HF completely misread the breaking ball. It was evident that donegal were intent on break ball/ punching it forward, tyrone HB far to far forward to intercept breaks.

This is the point though. The top sides at the moment don't rely on break ball for the most part. They are able to work short kickouts or have free men and overloads on the wings. Yesterday Morgan didn't seem to have many options other than to hit it long down the middle at which point it is a 50/ 50 ball at best, and in reality even less given out makeshift midfield.

Yeah, Tyrone players looked to be static on kickouts compared to Donegal. Kickouts are something reflected on the training pitch, if you work on them an get a good strategy then it will work. We just looked to have nothing practiced here. We gave Donegal the handy restarts to build from the back but Donegal were on every one of our kickouts like a rash. Morgan was forced to take bigger and bigger risk with them as a result. He clipped one very risky one out to either Rafferty or Brennan in the second half that a Donegal player got a hand on and if it had been an inch closer he was in on a one on one. That's how desperate we were getting.

The u20s had similar problems on Saturday too.

We know Morgan's kickouts are good so the problem is more with the lack of options, the lack of movement, the lack of any sort of strategy or focus on what we are doing there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 19, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
Free taking still an issue as well. 10years now we are addressing the same issues
0-2 very straightforward points missed. One from mccurry and one from oneill. A third scorable free you'd also expect to get

Donegal in contrast scored 7 from 7
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:09:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on October 19, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
Free taking still an issue as well. 10years now we are addressing the same issues
0-2 very straightforward points missed. One from mccurry and one from oneill. A third scorable free you'd also expect to get

Donegal in contrast scored 7 from 7

Two unforgivable misses really, they were very scorable.

Will McKenna eventually take over the right footed free duties, he was very reliable at minor level so I can see him taking that on when he gets more reacquainted.

Harte has been very fairly solid on the left footed ones in recent years though and Morgan's % from the long range ones isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 19, 2020, 01:08:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:09:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on October 19, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
Free taking still an issue as well. 10years now we are addressing the same issues
0-2 very straightforward points missed. One from mccurry and one from oneill. A third scorable free you'd also expect to get

Donegal in contrast scored 7 from 7

Two unforgivable misses really, they were very scorable.

Will McKenna eventually take over the right footed free duties, he was very reliable at minor level so I can see him taking that on when he gets more reacquainted.

Harte has been very fairly solid on the left footed ones in recent years though and Morgan's % from the long range ones isn't too bad.

Morgans % isnt too bad Angelo but for really top level it isnt enough.
When Murphy, Rock, OConnor, OShea get a free you know they will nail it - Im never confident with ours now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 19, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 18, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
The thing about getting rid of Harte, is there an outstanding candidate available? I don't really see anything inside the county at present that I would look as a marked improvement on Harte. I think a lot of our underage teams in recent years have underachieved and no club manager has been able to do back to backs in Tyrone to make them a viable candidate.

Canavan has that x factor but he has a nice little gig going as it is and I really don't think he'd be interested. He hasn't really managed anyone of note since Fermanagh anyway?

Would we hire an outsider? Malachy O'Rourke did a great job with Monaghan and I think he'd do well with Tyrone but I don't see him bringing the swashbuckling football some seem to think we should be playing. I couldn't see McGuinness taking the job or the Tyrone Co Board affording him but I think he could work wonders with this bunch of players.
Anything to be said for Fergal Logan and his team from the U21 All Ireland winners of 2015 of Canavan and Dooher, even adding someone like Collie Holmes as well?
Majority of that panel have been brought through (potentially could even get Brennan, McNulty, Mullan back involved) and are being backboned by the last 2 U20 teams as well as still having the last few years of Mattie, McNammee and Harte, a new voice could make a big difference to what will still be an impressive panel in 2021.

Harte has done Tyrone enormous service. I think overall he deserves credit for how he has kept Tyrone at the top table in that last decade despite not winning an AI but I think we are now back reaching a talent level that should have us pushing for an AI and things seem to have gone a little stale.

When we have a full contingent available we have a team now capable of winning an All Ireland with McKenna back.

Logan is an option but has he managed anyone since stepping away from the u21s. Would Canavan leave his Sky gig to take up a role?

Midfield is a concern but as someone said earlier, I'd rather we went with actual midfielders than moving forwards and defenders out there. Kilpatrick and Kennedy are raw and unproven but as well let them at it and see how they get on. I'd worry about R Donnelly's pace in midfield but he's a very good footballer and won't get pushed about so I think we should go with him and one of Kennedy/Kilpatrick if they are available.

Our defensive shape is a big worry, we don't seem to have any player tasked with shoring up the middle of the defence, if teams run at us we part like the red sea. We need a designated 6, some players that's going to hold that central channel and organise the defence and make sure teams can't just run through us.

I think the panel needs a bit of upheavel at this point. Too many players there who have had enough time to prove themselves like Ronan O'Neill and Conall McCann, nothing against the lads but they haven't been good enough and it's time to give new players the chance.

Should any of the u20s start next week? Would Canavan be worth a 20 minute cameo?

Niall Morgan
Liam Rafferty Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey/Rory Brennan
Michael Cassidy Hampsey/Brennan Frank Burns
Richie Donnelly Conn Kilpatrick
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Kieran McGeary
Darren McCurry Conor McKenna Peter Harte

Probably too ambitious to see Tyrone lining up like that but shows the potential of an excellent team is there. Bradley and McCurry have played their best football for Tyrone coming from the half forward line so having them two play off Peter Harte and Conor McKenna as the vocal points has plenty of potential. Certainly a lot better than pushing defenders and midfielders into make shift forwards.
Think Hampsey and Brennan are our only real options at 6, would probably prefer Brennan at 6 with Hamspey man marking.
Looking at the Tyrone bench yesterday and it looks very stale. Makes me think they should call up the Tyrone U20's (Lorcan Quinn, Antoin Fox, Murnaghan, Canavan, Tiernan Quinn, Ethan Jordan, Oguz) to the panel and have the likes of Conor Quinn involved in the match day panel over Aidan McCrory for example, bit of freshness if nothing else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 19, 2020, 01:08:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 12:09:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on October 19, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
Free taking still an issue as well. 10years now we are addressing the same issues
0-2 very straightforward points missed. One from mccurry and one from oneill. A third scorable free you'd also expect to get

Donegal in contrast scored 7 from 7

Two unforgivable misses really, they were very scorable.

Will McKenna eventually take over the right footed free duties, he was very reliable at minor level so I can see him taking that on when he gets more reacquainted.

Harte has been very fairly solid on the left footed ones in recent years though and Morgan's % from the long range ones isn't too bad.

Morgans % isnt too bad Angelo but for really top level it isnt enough.
When Murphy, Rock, OConnor, OShea get a free you know they will nail it - Im never confident with ours now

O'Shea and Rock. Yes, the best in the business no doubt.
Murphy misses a few too, he's a very good free taker but not perfect.
O'Connor's free taking isn't all that hot, he's reliable from anything inside 35 yards but anything after that is fairly hit and miss.

I think Morgan's % rate probably stacks up as good as anything from that range other than O'Shea, Rock and Beggan.

Our biggest problem would be the frees inside the 45 yard range, I think Harte has been fairly good on them in recent years but the left side I've not been overly convinced - we've had McShane, McAliksey, O'Neill and Cavanagh sharing the duties in the past 5/6 years from there and they haven't been good enough.

Maybe McKenna or Donaghy if he gets a chance can improve us in this department. Maybe Lee Brennan if he gets another chance could improve us here though I do think Harte's frees have been good over the past 2 seasons.

Overall I think Mickey Harte has brought this group as far as he can and it's now time for a fresh voice and new ideas. I do think some of the commentary on here towards Harte has been absolutely disgraceful at times however and a shocking way to treat a man who has brought so much success and joy to Tyrone football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on October 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Looks a strong chance season will be cancelled so that's Harte back next year again 100% if that happens
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 19, 2020, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 19, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 18, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
The thing about getting rid of Harte, is there an outstanding candidate available? I don't really see anything inside the county at present that I would look as a marked improvement on Harte. I think a lot of our underage teams in recent years have underachieved and no club manager has been able to do back to backs in Tyrone to make them a viable candidate.

Canavan has that x factor but he has a nice little gig going as it is and I really don't think he'd be interested. He hasn't really managed anyone of note since Fermanagh anyway?

Would we hire an outsider? Malachy O'Rourke did a great job with Monaghan and I think he'd do well with Tyrone but I don't see him bringing the swashbuckling football some seem to think we should be playing. I couldn't see McGuinness taking the job or the Tyrone Co Board affording him but I think he could work wonders with this bunch of players.
Anything to be said for Fergal Logan and his team from the U21 All Ireland winners of 2015 of Canavan and Dooher, even adding someone like Collie Holmes as well?
Majority of that panel have been brought through (potentially could even get Brennan, McNulty, Mullan back involved) and are being backboned by the last 2 U20 teams as well as still having the last few years of Mattie, McNammee and Harte, a new voice could make a big difference to what will still be an impressive panel in 2021.

Harte has done Tyrone enormous service. I think overall he deserves credit for how he has kept Tyrone at the top table in that last decade despite not winning an AI but I think we are now back reaching a talent level that should have us pushing for an AI and things seem to have gone a little stale.

When we have a full contingent available we have a team now capable of winning an All Ireland with McKenna back.

Logan is an option but has he managed anyone since stepping away from the u21s. Would Canavan leave his Sky gig to take up a role?

Midfield is a concern but as someone said earlier, I'd rather we went with actual midfielders than moving forwards and defenders out there. Kilpatrick and Kennedy are raw and unproven but as well let them at it and see how they get on. I'd worry about R Donnelly's pace in midfield but he's a very good footballer and won't get pushed about so I think we should go with him and one of Kennedy/Kilpatrick if they are available.

Our defensive shape is a big worry, we don't seem to have any player tasked with shoring up the middle of the defence, if teams run at us we part like the red sea. We need a designated 6, some players that's going to hold that central channel and organise the defence and make sure teams can't just run through us.

I think the panel needs a bit of upheavel at this point. Too many players there who have had enough time to prove themselves like Ronan O'Neill and Conall McCann, nothing against the lads but they haven't been good enough and it's time to give new players the chance.

Should any of the u20s start next week? Would Canavan be worth a 20 minute cameo?

Niall Morgan
Liam Rafferty Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey/Rory Brennan
Michael Cassidy Hampsey/Brennan Frank Burns
Richie Donnelly Conn Kilpatrick
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Kieran McGeary
Darren McCurry Conor McKenna Peter Harte

Probably too ambitious to see Tyrone lining up like that but shows the potential of an excellent team is there. Bradley and McCurry have played their best football for Tyrone coming from the half forward line so having them two play off Peter Harte and Conor McKenna as the vocal points has plenty of potential. Certainly a lot better than pushing defenders and midfielders into make shift forwards.
Think Hampsey and Brennan are our only real options at 6, would probably prefer Brennan at 6 with Hamspey man marking.
Looking at the Tyrone bench yesterday and it looks very stale. Makes me think they should call up the Tyrone U20's to the panel and have the likes of Conor Quinn involved in the match day panel over Aidan McCrory for example, bit of freshness if nothing else.

I agree with that, pretty much as I'd see it. Burns and McGeary could be swapped in for 2/3 others such as T McCann, Meyler, McKernan etc

Think I'd prefer Hampsey at 6 as I'd like the 6 to clog up that middle channel and organise the defence around it and Hampsey has a real physical impact there. I also think we'd miss Brennan's forays forward if he plays there which can be very effective.

Would also agree on the point re McCrory, you could say similar with Ronan O'Neill when we have the likes of Daniel Kerr in the squad. There's about 10/12 lads on that Tyrone panel now hitting their late 20s who just haven't staked a claim yet and it's time for fresh faces to come in and prove themselves.

I think a new manager starts afresh, maybe get the likes of Lee Brennan, McAliskey and Paudie McNulty back on board next year and see what kind of impact they could make for us.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 19, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Looks a strong chance season will be cancelled so that's Harte back next year again 100% if that happens
Wouldn't fancy that trip to Castlebar to stay in Div 1. Unusual for a team to be relegated on 6 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on October 19, 2020, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 19, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Looks a strong chance season will be cancelled so that's Harte back next year again 100% if that happens
Wouldn't fancy that trip to Castlebar to stay in Div 1. Unusual for a team to be relegated on 6 points.

Tyrone 8/11   Mayo 13/ 8   to be relegated ! Monaghan in the driving seat playing Meath !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 19, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
Is the Tyrone vs Donegal minor game on Tyrone TV this weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on October 20, 2020, 12:09:41 AM
Quote from: In hiding on October 19, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
Is the Tyrone vs Donegal minor game on Tyrone TV this weekend?

https://pairctv.com/

This crowd have the rights to all the ulster minor matches
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 19, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Looks a strong chance season will be cancelled so that's Harte back next year again 100% if that happens
Wouldn't fancy that trip to Castlebar to stay in Div 1. Unusual for a team to be relegated on 6 points.

You would have to say it looks like Tyrone are going down. Mayo are a decent team, they gave Galway a bad enough hammering too. Worryingly they are a bigger side than Tyrone so can't even see them going down that path to get a win.

O'Shea v McNamee on edge of square might not happen, Tyrone won't be as naive as Galway defensively at the weekend, there'll be 2 or 3 men ready for the break.

Lee Keegan could pick up McKenna, that would be a real indicator of where McKenna is next week.

With regards to new faces in the panel, I was told the only Dungannon player of interest was Donaghy. McNulty won't go back to county panel. In fairness, Dungannon run to the Championship was heart and desire, a lot of those players are very small in stature - I know that was thrown out window in Club Championship but County level is a different animal.

Nobody 'new' is being called up - You might see Canavan and Murnaghan return to senior panel for this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 20, 2020, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 19, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Looks a strong chance season will be cancelled so that's Harte back next year again 100% if that happens
Wouldn't fancy that trip to Castlebar to stay in Div 1. Unusual for a team to be relegated on 6 points.

You would have to say it looks like Tyrone are going down. Mayo are a decent team, they gave Galway a bad enough hammering too. Worryingly they are a bigger side than Tyrone so can't even see them going down that path to get a win.

O'Shea v McNamee on edge of square might not happen, Tyrone won't be as naive as Galway defensively at the weekend, there'll be 2 or 3 men ready for the break.

Lee Keegan could pick up McKenna, that would be a real indicator of where McKenna is next week.

With regards to new faces in the panel, I was told the only Dungannon player of interest was Donaghy. McNulty won't go back to county panel. In fairness, Dungannon run to the Championship was heart and desire, a lot of those players are very small in stature - I know that was thrown out window in Club Championship but County level is a different animal.

Nobody 'new' is being called up - You might see Canavan and Murnaghan return to senior panel for this weekend.

Have you seen the Dungannon team? The Walshes, The McNultys, The Molloys, Oran Mallon, Paddy Quinn are all 6ft or above. Throw in the Barkers, Conal Devlin and  Keifer Morgan who are study fellas then you have more than enough physicality to cope with having one or two lads who may be slight in stature. Mark McKearney and Paul Donaghy where the stand out talented footballers in Tyrone club football this year. McKearney may be small but anyone who has ever seen him play will have to admit that he has never once been found wanting in the physical stakes. He is a obvious upgrade on Tiernan McCann, mcKernan and both McGearys, not to mention eternal panellist Aidan McCrory. In my view McKearney is ready to go straight into the starting 15. Donaghy may need more time but is a talent, along with Lee Brennan that we should be doing all we can to nurture.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 20, 2020, 10:36:31 AM
Canavan and Murnaghan are good prospects but this year is too soon for them

Dissapointed Donaghy hasn't got a chance. He couldn't have done any worse than say, Ronan Oneill or Conall McCann. Donaghy full of confidence just now, it was a perfect opportunity to try him out. Management seem unimaginative, rigid and stubborn

Is McBrearty is available for the championship game?

Agree with other posters on here. It's time to play hampsey, mattie and mckenna in their best positions, and let the midfielders in the squad at least compete in that area.
Mattie and Hampsey are not that effective in there, and its reducing the affectiveness of the team overall without them in the defence and attack
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 20, 2020, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 19, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Looks a strong chance season will be cancelled so that's Harte back next year again 100% if that happens
Wouldn't fancy that trip to Castlebar to stay in Div 1. Unusual for a team to be relegated on 6 points.

You would have to say it looks like Tyrone are going down. Mayo are a decent team, they gave Galway a bad enough hammering too. Worryingly they are a bigger side than Tyrone so can't even see them going down that path to get a win.

O'Shea v McNamee on edge of square might not happen, Tyrone won't be as naive as Galway defensively at the weekend, there'll be 2 or 3 men ready for the break.

Lee Keegan could pick up McKenna, that would be a real indicator of where McKenna is next week.

With regards to new faces in the panel, I was told the only Dungannon player of interest was Donaghy. McNulty won't go back to county panel. In fairness, Dungannon run to the Championship was heart and desire, a lot of those players are very small in stature - I know that was thrown out window in Club Championship but County level is a different animal.

Nobody 'new' is being called up - You might see Canavan and Murnaghan return to senior panel for this weekend.

Have you seen the Dungannon team? The Walshes, The McNultys, The Molloys, Oran Mallon, Paddy Quinn are all 6ft or above. Throw in the Barkers, Conal Devlin and  Keifer Morgan who are study fellas then you have more than enough physicality to cope with having one or two lads who may be slight in stature. Mark McKearney and Paul Donaghy where the stand out talented footballers in Tyrone club football this year. McKearney may be small but anyone who has ever seen him play will have to admit that he has never once been found wanting in the physical stakes. He is a obvious upgrade on Tiernan McCann, mcKernan and both McGearys, not to mention eternal panellist Aidan McCrory. In my view McKearney is ready to go straight into the starting 15. Donaghy may need more time but is a talent, along with Lee Brennan that we should be doing all we can to nurture.

None of them are getting into a Tyrone starting team, some could make panel. Paudie McNulty is the best of the lot but if he goes back or not is entirely up to him.

Paddy Quinn was there long enough, never made it. He was also on the bench for his own club at stages this year.

Mark McKearney is a good player, straight into the County Senior Team though....not happening under Harte - you know yourself that Tyrone don't just throw players in like that.

I would just expect him to be a target, I could see Patton or Beggan launching 7 or 8 kicks on top of him and they would be on top of him. Could he be Tyrone's Ryan McHugh or Eoin Murchan? Maybe....but I wouldn't be holding my breath seeing him in Senior County Colours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 20, 2020, 11:03:39 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 20, 2020, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 19, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Looks a strong chance season will be cancelled so that's Harte back next year again 100% if that happens
Wouldn't fancy that trip to Castlebar to stay in Div 1. Unusual for a team to be relegated on 6 points.

You would have to say it looks like Tyrone are going down. Mayo are a decent team, they gave Galway a bad enough hammering too. Worryingly they are a bigger side than Tyrone so can't even see them going down that path to get a win.

O'Shea v McNamee on edge of square might not happen, Tyrone won't be as naive as Galway defensively at the weekend, there'll be 2 or 3 men ready for the break.

Lee Keegan could pick up McKenna, that would be a real indicator of where McKenna is next week.

With regards to new faces in the panel, I was told the only Dungannon player of interest was Donaghy. McNulty won't go back to county panel. In fairness, Dungannon run to the Championship was heart and desire, a lot of those players are very small in stature - I know that was thrown out window in Club Championship but County level is a different animal.

Nobody 'new' is being called up - You might see Canavan and Murnaghan return to senior panel for this weekend.

Have you seen the Dungannon team? The Walshes, The McNultys, The Molloys, Oran Mallon, Paddy Quinn are all 6ft or above. Throw in the Barkers, Conal Devlin and  Keifer Morgan who are study fellas then you have more than enough physicality to cope with having one or two lads who may be slight in stature. Mark McKearney and Paul Donaghy where the stand out talented footballers in Tyrone club football this year. McKearney may be small but anyone who has ever seen him play will have to admit that he has never once been found wanting in the physical stakes. He is a obvious upgrade on Tiernan McCann, mcKernan and both McGearys, not to mention eternal panellist Aidan McCrory. In my view McKearney is ready to go straight into the starting 15. Donaghy may need more time but is a talent, along with Lee Brennan that we should be doing all we can to nurture.

not happening under Harte - you know yourself that Tyrone don't just throw players in like that.


To be fair we do.

I can think of a number of incidents of it with 2015 being a big year.

Rory Brennan was called into the squad in 2015, barely featured in the league and was put in marking Ryan McHugh in the first round of Championship.

Meyler and Richie Donnelly were added to the panel after the Donegal defeat that year. Donnelly started the next qualifier game against Meath which I think Meyler missed due to a pre-planned holiday and then Meyler was a regular for the remainder of the Championship.

I don't think Harte is scared to pull a lad into a squad out of nowhere and give him a chance but I do think he is overly loyal to a number of underperforming players.

I just don't see what Ben McDonnell brings to the team, for me he's a vastly inferior option to Kilpatrick and McClure who remained on the bench on Sunday. There are other guys like C McCann, R O'Neill etc who have been given so many chances at this stage and just don't look up to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 20, 2020, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 10:45:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 20, 2020, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 19, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on October 19, 2020, 01:23:39 PM
Looks a strong chance season will be cancelled so that's Harte back next year again 100% if that happens
Wouldn't fancy that trip to Castlebar to stay in Div 1. Unusual for a team to be relegated on 6 points.

You would have to say it looks like Tyrone are going down. Mayo are a decent team, they gave Galway a bad enough hammering too. Worryingly they are a bigger side than Tyrone so can't even see them going down that path to get a win.

O'Shea v McNamee on edge of square might not happen, Tyrone won't be as naive as Galway defensively at the weekend, there'll be 2 or 3 men ready for the break.

Lee Keegan could pick up McKenna, that would be a real indicator of where McKenna is next week.

With regards to new faces in the panel, I was told the only Dungannon player of interest was Donaghy. McNulty won't go back to county panel. In fairness, Dungannon run to the Championship was heart and desire, a lot of those players are very small in stature - I know that was thrown out window in Club Championship but County level is a different animal.

Nobody 'new' is being called up - You might see Canavan and Murnaghan return to senior panel for this weekend.

Have you seen the Dungannon team? The Walshes, The McNultys, The Molloys, Oran Mallon, Paddy Quinn are all 6ft or above. Throw in the Barkers, Conal Devlin and  Keifer Morgan who are study fellas then you have more than enough physicality to cope with having one or two lads who may be slight in stature. Mark McKearney and Paul Donaghy where the stand out talented footballers in Tyrone club football this year. McKearney may be small but anyone who has ever seen him play will have to admit that he has never once been found wanting in the physical stakes. He is a obvious upgrade on Tiernan McCann, mcKernan and both McGearys, not to mention eternal panellist Aidan McCrory. In my view McKearney is ready to go straight into the starting 15. Donaghy may need more time but is a talent, along with Lee Brennan that we should be doing all we can to nurture.

None of them are getting into a Tyrone starting team, some could make panel. Paudie McNulty is the best of the lot but if he goes back or not is entirely up to him.

Paddy Quinn was there long enough, never made it. He was also on the bench for his own club at stages this year.

Mark McKearney is a good player, straight into the County Senior Team though....not happening under Harte - you know yourself that Tyrone don't just throw players in like that.

I would just expect him to be a target, I could see Patton or Beggan launching 7 or 8 kicks on top of him and they would be on top of him. Could he be Tyrone's Ryan McHugh or Eoin Murchan? Maybe....but I wouldn't be holding my breath seeing him in Senior County Colours.

Yeah Sorry, I wasn't suggesting those lads would get into the Tyrone team, I was responding to your point about the Clarkes being "very small in statue" and winning this year was due to heart and desire alone. My point is I suppose that The Clarkes have plenty of talent and if you have lads who can carry the physical weight then there is room for lads like the Jones, McKearney and Donaghy (who actually is around 6ft himself) to do their thing. I agree though, McKearney won't go straight into the team any time soon which is a crying shame.

The worst thing about Sunday was the inevitability of it all. I was watching with my brother and we said to each other at the same time when McCurry and O'Neill stepped up to kick those frees in the second half that we were expecting them to miss. Those are bread and butter at county level, would have bought us back to two points and it's game on, instead they go down the pitch, it's 5 in it and game over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 20, 2020, 11:24:41 AM
Hard to argue with you BennyHarp, I love Bradley as a player who is as small as they come. But like you say, he needs to be complimented - that All Ireland Final v Dublin Bradley stood as the outball in 14 and about 50 metres between him and the rest of the team....madness.

Donegal got away with that because they had Colm McFadden as good a man to win any ball into him and maybe 6 or 7 options from the kick and gather and they were nearly impenetrable the other way. They just ground you down and both sides of the pitch.

Yeah the free kicks have been a problem for awhile, but there was Lee Brennan. Man hardly misses. Gone. I don't know why we can't figure out a role for him in the County like how Trillick do at club, let him float about. It's not as if he's a one trick pony, he can play football. Obviously his weakness is tackling and work rate, but sure if you don't engage in the opposition half like Tyrone do half the time anyway....

I could go on.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 21, 2020, 03:47:31 PM
There's been a bit of discussion in recent days and weeks about the quality of footballer in Tyrone and about players currently outside the county panel not there. So what would a best XV of players currently not on the county panel look like, obviously guys like Colm Cavanagh who has ended his county career I wouldn't include and the likes of Kane and McNally are probably too old now to make an effective contribution at intercounty level

Mine would be:

1. Grimes (Killyclogher)
2. E Murray (Tattyreagh)
3. Teague (Dromore)
4. C Shields (Clogher)
5. C Byrne (Eglish)
6. J Munroe (Carrickmore)
7. McKearney (Dungannon)
8. Nugent (Galbally)
9. McNulty (Dungannon)
10. M Walsh (Dungannon)
11. P Donaghy (Dungannon)
12. R Sludden (Dromore)
13. L Brennan (Trillick)
14. R Coleman (Moy)
15. C McAliskey (Clonoe)

We do seem to have some really good inside forward options throughout the county - the likes of Quinn, Jordan and Conroy were u20 this, Sean Og McAleer last year and then others like Danny McNulty and possibly a few more not entering my head at present.

I've probably missed a few obvious choices but I think you arguabl say that the FF line there and the midfield were better options than what started against Donegal last weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on October 21, 2020, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 19, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 18, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
The thing about getting rid of Harte, is there an outstanding candidate available? I don't really see anything inside the county at present that I would look as a marked improvement on Harte. I think a lot of our underage teams in recent years have underachieved and no club manager has been able to do back to backs in Tyrone to make them a viable candidate.

Canavan has that x factor but he has a nice little gig going as it is and I really don't think he'd be interested. He hasn't really managed anyone of note since Fermanagh anyway?

Would we hire an outsider? Malachy O'Rourke did a great job with Monaghan and I think he'd do well with Tyrone but I don't see him bringing the swashbuckling football some seem to think we should be playing. I couldn't see McGuinness taking the job or the Tyrone Co Board affording him but I think he could work wonders with this bunch of players.
Anything to be said for Fergal Logan and his team from the U21 All Ireland winners of 2015 of Canavan and Dooher, even adding someone like Collie Holmes as well?
Majority of that panel have been brought through (potentially could even get Brennan, McNulty, Mullan back involved) and are being backboned by the last 2 U20 teams as well as still having the last few years of Mattie, McNammee and Harte, a new voice could make a big difference to what will still be an impressive panel in 2021.

Harte has done Tyrone enormous service. I think overall he deserves credit for how he has kept Tyrone at the top table in that last decade despite not winning an AI but I think we are now back reaching a talent level that should have us pushing for an AI and things seem to have gone a little stale.

When we have a full contingent available we have a team now capable of winning an All Ireland with McKenna back.

Logan is an option but has he managed anyone since stepping away from the u21s. Would Canavan leave his Sky gig to take up a role?

Midfield is a concern but as someone said earlier, I'd rather we went with actual midfielders than moving forwards and defenders out there. Kilpatrick and Kennedy are raw and unproven but as well let them at it and see how they get on. I'd worry about R Donnelly's pace in midfield but he's a very good footballer and won't get pushed about so I think we should go with him and one of Kennedy/Kilpatrick if they are available.

Our defensive shape is a big worry, we don't seem to have any player tasked with shoring up the middle of the defence, if teams run at us we part like the red sea. We need a designated 6, some players that's going to hold that central channel and organise the defence and make sure teams can't just run through us.

I think the panel needs a bit of upheavel at this point. Too many players there who have had enough time to prove themselves like Ronan O'Neill and Conall McCann, nothing against the lads but they haven't been good enough and it's time to give new players the chance.

Should any of the u20s start next week? Would Canavan be worth a 20 minute cameo?

Niall Morgan
Liam Rafferty Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey/Rory Brennan
Michael Cassidy Hampsey/Brennan Frank Burns
Richie Donnelly Conn Kilpatrick
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Kieran McGeary
Darren McCurry Conor McKenna Peter Harte

Probably too ambitious to see Tyrone lining up like that but shows the potential of an excellent team is there. Bradley and McCurry have played their best football for Tyrone coming from the half forward line so having them two play off Peter Harte and Conor McKenna as the vocal points has plenty of potential. Certainly a lot better than pushing defenders and midfielders into make shift forwards.
Think Hampsey and Brennan are our only real options at 6, would probably prefer Brennan at 6 with Hamspey man marking.
Looking at the Tyrone bench yesterday and it looks very stale. Makes me think they should call up the Tyrone U20's (Lorcan Quinn, Antoin Fox, Murnaghan, Canavan, Tiernan Quinn, Ethan Jordan, Oguz) to the panel and have the likes of Conor Quinn involved in the match day panel over Aidan McCrory for example, bit of freshness if nothing else.

Good team, crucial we bring 1 or 2 DGN men in!
Have them in around the panel even, they are born winners this year and will only raise the training quality, McKerney and Donaghy deserve to be there and Paudi if he wants to go back!!

As for McKenna, he has to stay close to goal imo, you cud see out at 11 he wasn't getting involved and linkn up although with his brain this will come, just not this season as he needs games, he touched the ball 13 times the whole 70 mins and yet scored 1-2 and set up 1-1 I think, play him inside close to goals because he will win ball and turn and burn his man!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on October 21, 2020, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 21, 2020, 03:47:31 PM
There's been a bit of discussion in recent days and weeks about the quality of footballer in Tyrone and about players currently outside the county panel not there. So what would a best XV of players currently not on the county panel look like, obviously guys like Colm Cavanagh who has ended his county career I wouldn't include and the likes of Kane and McNally are probably too old now to make an effective contribution at intercounty level

Mine would be:

1. Grimes (Killyclogher)
2. E Murray (Tattyreagh)
3. Teague (Dromore)
4. C Shields (Clogher)
5. C Byrne (Eglish)
6. J Munroe (Carrickmore)
7. McKearney (Dungannon)
8. Nugent (Galbally)
9. McNulty (Dungannon)
10. M Walsh (Dungannon)
11. P Donaghy (Dungannon)
12. R Sludden (Dromore)
13. L Brennan (Trillick)
14. R Coleman (Moy)
15. C McAliskey (Clonoe)

We do seem to have some really good inside forward options throughout the county - the likes of Quinn, Jordan and Conroy were u20 this, Sean Og McAleer last year and then others like Danny McNulty and possibly a few more not entering my head at present.

I've probably missed a few obvious choices but I think you arguabl say that the FF line there and the midfield were better options than what started against Donegal last weekend.

Good discussion this but the best player in Tyrone club football is Mackers!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 21, 2020, 04:00:19 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on October 21, 2020, 03:52:51 PM


Good discussion this but the best player in Tyrone club football is Mackers!!!

About 3 or 4 years ago you had an argument. His race is ran. Trillick game this year confirmed that. Coalisland will be undergoing a transition from here on, you'll see some of the older heads go I would say come Championship next year, he could be one of them.

This has been done to death, he was at Tyrone, Harte didn't fancy him and he took the hump and went to Australia. No doubt he's a great player but there have been many talents over the years similar, Eoin McCusker from Dromore probably should have 2 All Ireland Medals by right but he was never near the county panel for example.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 21, 2020, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on October 21, 2020, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 19, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 18, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
The thing about getting rid of Harte, is there an outstanding candidate available? I don't really see anything inside the county at present that I would look as a marked improvement on Harte. I think a lot of our underage teams in recent years have underachieved and no club manager has been able to do back to backs in Tyrone to make them a viable candidate.

Canavan has that x factor but he has a nice little gig going as it is and I really don't think he'd be interested. He hasn't really managed anyone of note since Fermanagh anyway?

Would we hire an outsider? Malachy O'Rourke did a great job with Monaghan and I think he'd do well with Tyrone but I don't see him bringing the swashbuckling football some seem to think we should be playing. I couldn't see McGuinness taking the job or the Tyrone Co Board affording him but I think he could work wonders with this bunch of players.
Anything to be said for Fergal Logan and his team from the U21 All Ireland winners of 2015 of Canavan and Dooher, even adding someone like Collie Holmes as well?
Majority of that panel have been brought through (potentially could even get Brennan, McNulty, Mullan back involved) and are being backboned by the last 2 U20 teams as well as still having the last few years of Mattie, McNammee and Harte, a new voice could make a big difference to what will still be an impressive panel in 2021.

Harte has done Tyrone enormous service. I think overall he deserves credit for how he has kept Tyrone at the top table in that last decade despite not winning an AI but I think we are now back reaching a talent level that should have us pushing for an AI and things seem to have gone a little stale.

When we have a full contingent available we have a team now capable of winning an All Ireland with McKenna back.

Logan is an option but has he managed anyone since stepping away from the u21s. Would Canavan leave his Sky gig to take up a role?

Midfield is a concern but as someone said earlier, I'd rather we went with actual midfielders than moving forwards and defenders out there. Kilpatrick and Kennedy are raw and unproven but as well let them at it and see how they get on. I'd worry about R Donnelly's pace in midfield but he's a very good footballer and won't get pushed about so I think we should go with him and one of Kennedy/Kilpatrick if they are available.

Our defensive shape is a big worry, we don't seem to have any player tasked with shoring up the middle of the defence, if teams run at us we part like the red sea. We need a designated 6, some players that's going to hold that central channel and organise the defence and make sure teams can't just run through us.

I think the panel needs a bit of upheavel at this point. Too many players there who have had enough time to prove themselves like Ronan O'Neill and Conall McCann, nothing against the lads but they haven't been good enough and it's time to give new players the chance.

Should any of the u20s start next week? Would Canavan be worth a 20 minute cameo?

Niall Morgan
Liam Rafferty Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey/Rory Brennan
Michael Cassidy Hampsey/Brennan Frank Burns
Richie Donnelly Conn Kilpatrick
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Kieran McGeary
Darren McCurry Conor McKenna Peter Harte

Probably too ambitious to see Tyrone lining up like that but shows the potential of an excellent team is there. Bradley and McCurry have played their best football for Tyrone coming from the half forward line so having them two play off Peter Harte and Conor McKenna as the vocal points has plenty of potential. Certainly a lot better than pushing defenders and midfielders into make shift forwards.
Think Hampsey and Brennan are our only real options at 6, would probably prefer Brennan at 6 with Hamspey man marking.
Looking at the Tyrone bench yesterday and it looks very stale. Makes me think they should call up the Tyrone U20's (Lorcan Quinn, Antoin Fox, Murnaghan, Canavan, Tiernan Quinn, Ethan Jordan, Oguz) to the panel and have the likes of Conor Quinn involved in the match day panel over Aidan McCrory for example, bit of freshness if nothing else.

Good team, crucial we bring 1 or 2 DGN men in!
Have them in around the panel even, they are born winners this year and will only raise the training quality, McKerney and Donaghy deserve to be there and Paudi if he wants to go back!!

As for McKenna, he has to stay close to goal imo, you cud see out at 11 he wasn't getting involved and linkn up although with his brain this will come, just not this season as he needs games, he touched the ball 13 times the whole 70 mins and yet scored 1-2 and set up 1-1 I think, play him inside close to goals because he will win ball and turn and burn his man!

People's perception of Paudi McNulty seems to get better with every week he spends off the county panel. Let's not forget he spent 4 seasons on the panel (2015-2019) and never established himself as a championship starter. He actually didn't seem to develop as a player in this time either (we can debate whether this is managements fault as it seems a recurring theme throughout the panel) - against the better teams I always got the impression they were happy for him to put the head down, run into trouble and then strip him of the ball. He had a good championship campaign for the Clarke's this year but personally I didn't think he was dominating the midfield to the extent I was thinking it's outrageous this man isn't on the county panel
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 21, 2020, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 21, 2020, 05:03:44 PM
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Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 19, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on October 18, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
The thing about getting rid of Harte, is there an outstanding candidate available? I don't really see anything inside the county at present that I would look as a marked improvement on Harte. I think a lot of our underage teams in recent years have underachieved and no club manager has been able to do back to backs in Tyrone to make them a viable candidate.

Canavan has that x factor but he has a nice little gig going as it is and I really don't think he'd be interested. He hasn't really managed anyone of note since Fermanagh anyway?

Would we hire an outsider? Malachy O'Rourke did a great job with Monaghan and I think he'd do well with Tyrone but I don't see him bringing the swashbuckling football some seem to think we should be playing. I couldn't see McGuinness taking the job or the Tyrone Co Board affording him but I think he could work wonders with this bunch of players.
Anything to be said for Fergal Logan and his team from the U21 All Ireland winners of 2015 of Canavan and Dooher, even adding someone like Collie Holmes as well?
Majority of that panel have been brought through (potentially could even get Brennan, McNulty, Mullan back involved) and are being backboned by the last 2 U20 teams as well as still having the last few years of Mattie, McNammee and Harte, a new voice could make a big difference to what will still be an impressive panel in 2021.

Harte has done Tyrone enormous service. I think overall he deserves credit for how he has kept Tyrone at the top table in that last decade despite not winning an AI but I think we are now back reaching a talent level that should have us pushing for an AI and things seem to have gone a little stale.

When we have a full contingent available we have a team now capable of winning an All Ireland with McKenna back.

Logan is an option but has he managed anyone since stepping away from the u21s. Would Canavan leave his Sky gig to take up a role?

Midfield is a concern but as someone said earlier, I'd rather we went with actual midfielders than moving forwards and defenders out there. Kilpatrick and Kennedy are raw and unproven but as well let them at it and see how they get on. I'd worry about R Donnelly's pace in midfield but he's a very good footballer and won't get pushed about so I think we should go with him and one of Kennedy/Kilpatrick if they are available.

Our defensive shape is a big worry, we don't seem to have any player tasked with shoring up the middle of the defence, if teams run at us we part like the red sea. We need a designated 6, some players that's going to hold that central channel and organise the defence and make sure teams can't just run through us.

I think the panel needs a bit of upheavel at this point. Too many players there who have had enough time to prove themselves like Ronan O'Neill and Conall McCann, nothing against the lads but they haven't been good enough and it's time to give new players the chance.

Should any of the u20s start next week? Would Canavan be worth a 20 minute cameo?

Niall Morgan
Liam Rafferty Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey/Rory Brennan
Michael Cassidy Hampsey/Brennan Frank Burns
Richie Donnelly Conn Kilpatrick
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Kieran McGeary
Darren McCurry Conor McKenna Peter Harte

Probably too ambitious to see Tyrone lining up like that but shows the potential of an excellent team is there. Bradley and McCurry have played their best football for Tyrone coming from the half forward line so having them two play off Peter Harte and Conor McKenna as the vocal points has plenty of potential. Certainly a lot better than pushing defenders and midfielders into make shift forwards.
Think Hampsey and Brennan are our only real options at 6, would probably prefer Brennan at 6 with Hamspey man marking.
Looking at the Tyrone bench yesterday and it looks very stale. Makes me think they should call up the Tyrone U20's (Lorcan Quinn, Antoin Fox, Murnaghan, Canavan, Tiernan Quinn, Ethan Jordan, Oguz) to the panel and have the likes of Conor Quinn involved in the match day panel over Aidan McCrory for example, bit of freshness if nothing else.

Good team, crucial we bring 1 or 2 DGN men in!
Have them in around the panel even, they are born winners this year and will only raise the training quality, McKerney and Donaghy deserve to be there and Paudi if he wants to go back!!

As for McKenna, he has to stay close to goal imo, you cud see out at 11 he wasn't getting involved and linkn up although with his brain this will come, just not this season as he needs games, he touched the ball 13 times the whole 70 mins and yet scored 1-2 and set up 1-1 I think, play him inside close to goals because he will win ball and turn and burn his man!

People's perception of Paudi McNulty seems to get better with every week he spends off the county panel. Let's not forget he spent 4 seasons on the panel (2015-2019) and never established himself as a championship starter. He actually didn't seem to develop as a player in this time either (we can debate whether this is managements fault as it seems a recurring theme throughout the panel) - against the better teams I always got the impression they were happy for him to put the head down, run into trouble and then strip him of the ball. He had a good championship campaign for the Clarke's this year but personally I didn't think he was dominating the midfield to the extent I was thinking it's outrageous this man isn't on the county panel

Is there a better midfielder in the panel than McNulty at present.

I think he was fairly hard done by when he was there prior to this.

With Cavanagh gone now, we are also lacking someone in the middle of the pitch with his physical ability.

None of the midfielders in the panel have established themselves as Championship regulars. I think the reason a lot of people are clambering for him to get into the side is that he is a damn sight better than the likes of McDonnell, C McCann and playing a number of forwards and midfielders in there.

Kennedy and Kilpatrick are young and deserve some time, McClure has been on the panel for a while but has had a few injuries and has done ok at times, R Donnelly has had a few good games but injuries have been an issue and I really worry about his mobility when we play a top team.

McDonnell and C McCann just don't look like they have it for me. Hampsey, McKenna and Donnelly are not midfielders and it takes away from their strengths.

I'd definitely have McNulty back in there if he's willing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 21, 2020, 06:36:08 PM
I think he's better than any natural midfielder we have in the squad at present though not sure that's the biggest compliment in the world to be honest. Perhaps captaining an O'Neill cup winning team would give him the confidence to push on (and dare I say maybe a change of management).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 21, 2020, 07:37:49 PM
He is worth a place on the panel, and he would be on it if he hadn't left at the end of the 2018 season. But I don't buy the idea that he's a guaranteed starter if he came back. In any case, he won't be back for this year so we should forget about him. In my opinion, when fit, Brian Kennedy should start every game at the middle of the field for us and I can't understand why he didn't at least come off the bench at the weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 21, 2020, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 21, 2020, 07:37:49 PM
He is worth a place on the panel, and he would be on it if he hadn't left at the end of the 2018 season. But I don't buy the idea that he's a guaranteed starter if he came back. In any case, he won't be back for this year so we should forget about him. In my opinion, when fit, Brian Kennedy should start every game at the middle of the field for us and I can't understand why he didn't at least come off the bench at the weekend

Kennedy and Harte were replaced on the matchday 26 by Mulgrew and Kilpatrick before throw in so presumably injured.

Kilpatrick should have started if available though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 21, 2020, 08:49:32 PM
When the discussion comes up around players being potentially called up to the squad, personally look at whether that player is better than what is currently there or offers something different.

The reality is Donaghy is the only Dungannon player who would offer something better or different to what is there.
McNulty had a strong year for Dungannon but don't see him as an improvement upon Donnelly, Kilpatrick or Kennedy. Have seen players leave and come back much improved, so maybe there is hope if he wants to come back but don't think he's the answer some here seem to think he is. Would rather Harte actually played Kilpatrick etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on October 23, 2020, 01:20:23 PM
I honestly don't think we have any MF,  right now, who are at the standard of the options in Dublin, Donegal, Mayo or Kerry.

That being said it's near impossible to develop into a good intercounty player unless you have some consistency in terms of playing, tactics and surrounding cast.

Harte needs to decide who his main MF 2 are (preferably ones who play club MF) and stick with them for a period.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 23, 2020, 01:20:23 PM
I honestly don't think we have any MF,  right now, who are at the standard of the options in Dublin, Donegal, Mayo or Kerry.

That being said it's near impossible to develop into a good intercounty player unless you have some consistency in terms of playing, tactics and surrounding cast.

Harte needs to decide who his main MF 2 are (preferably ones who play club MF) and stick with them for a period.

Kilpatrick and Kennedy are inexperienced and unproven but both deserve extended runs to prove themselves.

R Donnelly is probably our most established option there, is he a natural midfielder though? Out of our current options I'd have him starting though but he seems pretty injury prone and lacks a bit of mobility.

After that I'd have McClure, has had some decent cameos but a bit like R Donnelly, is he a natural midfielder or a half forward, he also lacks a bit of presence midfielders from other counties have.

The likes of McKenna, Donnelly and Hampsey are not midfielders and are needed elsewhere.

Kennedy and R Donnelly weren't involved last week, Kennedy was named on the bench but withdrawn before throw in.

If both are out I'd go with McClure and Kilpatrick for Sunday, I think it will makes the other lines of our team stronger and won't sufficiently weaken the midfield.

We'll probably see Hampsey and Ben McDonnell there though.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 23, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 23, 2020, 01:20:23 PM
I honestly don't think we have any MF,  right now, who are at the standard of the options in Dublin, Donegal, Mayo or Kerry.

That being said it's near impossible to develop into a good intercounty player unless you have some consistency in terms of playing, tactics and surrounding cast.

Harte needs to decide who his main MF 2 are (preferably ones who play club MF) and stick with them for a period.

Kilpatrick and Kennedy are inexperienced and unproven but both deserve extended runs to prove themselves.

R Donnelly is probably our most established option there, is he a natural midfielder though? Out of our current options I'd have him starting though but he seems pretty injury prone and lacks a bit of mobility.

After that I'd have McClure, has had some decent cameos but a bit like R Donnelly, is he a natural midfielder or a half forward, he also lacks a bit of presence midfielders from other counties have.

The likes of McKenna, Donnelly and Hampsey are not midfielders and are needed elsewhere.

Kennedy and R Donnelly weren't involved last week, Kennedy was named on the bench but withdrawn before throw in.

If both are out I'd go with McClure and Kilpatrick for Sunday, I think it will makes the other lines of our team stronger and won't sufficiently weaken the midfield.

We'll probably see Hampsey and Ben McDonnell there though.

Now Cavanagh is gone Brian Kennedy is the only natutal midfielder we have who could match the physicality of the likes of Murphy, Hugh McFadden, Fenton, David Moran, or the Mayo lads like the O'Se's and Ruane. Kilpatrick and McClure simply don't have the size so if they were if to play I think we need to pair them with Kennedy. I'm no fan of McDonnell but he does put himself about and do the dog work that I dont think McClure and Kilpatrick do. This is why I think he gets game time (any Errigal bias notwithstanding).

As I've said on here before this lack of physicality at midfield is a bit of a common theme with Tyrone teams. I thought the u20s had the same problem last week compared to the Dubs although Oguz would have been a big loss for them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on October 23, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 23, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 23, 2020, 01:20:23 PM
I honestly don't think we have any MF,  right now, who are at the standard of the options in Dublin, Donegal, Mayo or Kerry.

That being said it's near impossible to develop into a good intercounty player unless you have some consistency in terms of playing, tactics and surrounding cast.

Harte needs to decide who his main MF 2 are (preferably ones who play club MF) and stick with them for a period.

Kilpatrick and Kennedy are inexperienced and unproven but both deserve extended runs to prove themselves.

R Donnelly is probably our most established option there, is he a natural midfielder though? Out of our current options I'd have him starting though but he seems pretty injury prone and lacks a bit of mobility.

After that I'd have McClure, has had some decent cameos but a bit like R Donnelly, is he a natural midfielder or a half forward, he also lacks a bit of presence midfielders from other counties have.

The likes of McKenna, Donnelly and Hampsey are not midfielders and are needed elsewhere.

Kennedy and R Donnelly weren't involved last week, Kennedy was named on the bench but withdrawn before throw in.

If both are out I'd go with McClure and Kilpatrick for Sunday, I think it will makes the other lines of our team stronger and won't sufficiently weaken the midfield.

We'll probably see Hampsey and Ben McDonnell there though.

Now Cavanagh is gone Brian Kennedy is the only natutal midfielder we have who could match the physicality of the likes of Murphy, Hugh McFadden, Fenton, David Moran, or the Mayo lads like the O'Se's and Ruane. Kilpatrick and McClure simply don't have the size so if they were if to play I think we need to pair them with Kennedy. I'm no fan of McDonnell but he does put himself about and do the dog work that I dont think McClure and Kilpatrick do. This is why I think he gets game time (any Errigal bias notwithstanding).

As I've said on here before this lack of physicality at midfield is a bit of a common theme with Tyrone teams. I thought the u20s had the same problem last week compared to the Dubs although Oguz would have been a big loss for them

Young McGleenan looks a big prospect but it would be another 4 years or so before he's ready for senior football.

McNulty has the physical size which is why I'd have him in there. Kilpatrick isn't a 6ft5 giant but he is a natural midfielder and he has great athleticism. McClure and R Donnelly probably to need to be paired with Kennedy. McDonnell does dog work but I don't think dogwork will cut it. McClure is actually deceptively good in the air and probably the best fielder out of the whole lot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on October 24, 2020, 05:40:37 PM
Teamtalk reporting that someone on the panel tested positive for Covid. Anyone hear anything more?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on October 24, 2020, 06:13:12 PM
It's true...don't want to give a name obviously
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 24, 2020, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on October 24, 2020, 05:40:37 PM
Teamtalk reporting that someone on the panel tested positive for Covid. Anyone hear anything more?

Sent you a PM
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
See the named Tyrone team. Darragh Canavan named at corner back. Even Mickey Harte can't turn this fella into a defender lol.

No place for McKenna after last week's performance and this is basically a championship match. that would make you speculate he is the corona case. Hope I'm wrong and it's purely speculation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on October 25, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
See the named Tyrone team. Darragh Canavan named at corner back. Even Mickey Harte can't turn this fella into a defender lol.

No place for McKenna after last week's performance and this is basically a championship match. that would make you speculate he is the corona case. Hope I'm wrong and it's purely speculation.

No place for who? McKenna is in the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 25, 2020, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
See the named Tyrone team. Darragh Canavan named at corner back. Even Mickey Harte can't turn this fella into a defender lol.

No place for McKenna after last week's performance and this is basically a championship match. that would make you speculate he is the corona case. Hope I'm wrong and it's purely speculation.

Mickey is just trolling STG naming canavan at corner back.

And Conor McKenna is at 11. He isnt the covid case from what I heard. Fairly obvious from that team who it is.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 11:48:23 AM
Brennan gone for the rest of the year so with a 12 week ban?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 25, 2020, 11:49:54 AM
Somewhere in the depths of Augher, south tyrone gael is blowing a gasket right about now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 11:57:43 AM
Wonder how many changes there will be to the starting XV named.

I'd like to see Kelly in for Burns and Kilpatrick for C McCann out of the side named.

A starting forward line with Donnelly, McKenna, McCurry, Harte and Canavan is exciting on paper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on October 25, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
There's not a hope Peter Harte will be starting going by the tweet teamtalk put out yesterday. Canavan will fill in that slot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 25, 2020, 12:32:10 PM
Not a hope canavan playing corner back so why even name him there? Pick the bloody team a let them play. Harte doesn't want forwards or defenders any more, just pre programmed robots that do what they are told.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on October 25, 2020, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2020, 11:49:54 AM
Somewhere in the depths of Augher, south tyrone gael is blowing a gasket right about now.

Depths of Fermanagh... Canavan will fill in for Harte up front and Meyler will drop back. I'd say it's more out of convenience than anything naming that team. Mickey doesn't normally name major dummy teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 25, 2020, 12:32:10 PM
Not a hope canavan playing corner back so why even name him there? Pick the bloody team a let them play. Harte doesn't want forwards or defenders any more, just pre programmed robots that do what they are told.

Team sheets have to be submitted by Friday isn't it?

Tyrone were still appealing Brennan's suspension so Canavan is probably a late addition to the 26 in any case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 25, 2020, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
See the named Tyrone team. Darragh Canavan named at corner back. Even Mickey Harte can't turn this fella into a defender lol.

No place for McKenna after last week's performance and this is basically a championship match. that would make you speculate he is the corona case. Hope I'm wrong and it's purely speculation.

Mickey is just trolling STG naming canavan at corner back.

And Conor McKenna is at 11. He isnt the covid case from what I heard. Fairly obvious from that team who it is.

Completely missed McKenna's name on that team sheet  :-[

Glad he recovered so quick to slot that one away lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 25, 2020, 03:21:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 25, 2020, 12:32:10 PM
Not a hope canavan playing corner back so why even name him there? Pick the bloody team a let them play. Harte doesn't want forwards or defenders any more, just pre programmed robots that do what they are told.

You're probably raging we're winning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 03:46:37 PM
We looked very weary at the end of that game.

Good first half performance, got complacent in the second half and allowed Mayo back in. Legs looked gone on a lot of the players near the end.

McKenna was magnificent, Canavan had a great first half but very quiet in the second, Mattie was outstanding too and really was the only player who showed up for Tyrone with McKenna in that second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on October 25, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Wasn't there posters on here saying that Conor McKenna wouldn't be able to just slot into the side and make a difference?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 25, 2020, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 25, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Wasn't there posters on here saying that Conor McKenna wouldn't be able to just slot into the side and make a difference?

They're the same people who will continue to push the narrative that Tyrone can't beat big teams. They'll be quiet for a while after this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 04:03:32 PM
Anyone who saw McKenna at minor level would know how good he would be.

GAA players seldom make it in the AFL, there's only be a handful that have. The only two success stories that came back and played GAA again were Kennelly and Marty Clarke. Kennelly gave it a season, won an AI and an all star. Clarke came back and led Down from nowhere to an All Ireland final, he got an all star and really should have got a FOTY award that season.

He has got the lot, he hit a few bad wides today so there is still more to come from him when he gets back more in tune with the game. Naturally the hype train is in full flow at the minute so there will be plenty ready to knock him if he has a few bad games but he is absolutely key to Tyrone going forward.

If we get a full contingent on board for 2021 it should be a very exciting year for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2020, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 25, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Wasn't there posters on here saying that Conor McKenna wouldn't be able to just slot into the side and make a difference?

They're the same people who will continue to push the narrative that Tyrone can't beat big teams. They'll be quiet for a while after this.

Can you still call Mayo a big team now they have been relegated and in mid transition??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on October 25, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
Div1 could be arguably easier next year.. looking at Armagh and Roscommon on tv recently they don't strike me as div1 material.. I'd like to think we'll give the league a good rattle in 2021
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 25, 2020, 04:57:16 PM
McKenna and Canavan both class acts. Good confidence boosting win but you'd think that effort will take a lot out of them while Donegals main men had the feet up this weekend.

Midfield still a big concern.

I wouldn't be surprised if we pull it out of the bag next Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 25, 2020, 04:57:57 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 25, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Wasn't there posters on here saying that Conor McKenna wouldn't be able to just slot into the side and make a difference?

I was one of those, fair play to him. Hard to make the argument he was going to come in and have this positive impact, mind you....It's not been all exceptional to the point Dublin and Kerry will be looking over the shoulder either.

And if Tyrone don't win next weekend it's hardly worth going full McKenna-Mania either just yet but its a good start. Gaelic Football can be quick to kick you in the ass. He's certainly brought a bit of belief but Donegal aren't going to be surprised by him now. It's all on Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on October 25, 2020, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 25, 2020, 04:57:16 PM
McKenna and Canavan both class acts. Good confidence boosting win but you'd think that effort will take a lot out of them while Donegals main men had the feet up this weekend.

Midfield still a big concern.

I wouldn't be surprised if we pull it out of the bag next Sunday.

As long as we haven't picked up any serious injuries (I hope Michael O'Neill is ok) then I think a real tight battle today at full pelt will do us the world of good. We have always been at our best coming through the qualifiers playing week after week so I'm glad we had a do or die match this afternoon and it's a huge bonus that we came out on the right side of it. There's no need for rest at this stage and you could see the improvement in a number of player (none more than McKenna) after a game behind them. We may not win next weekend but I think we'll give it a decent rattle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 05:11:28 PM
How do we see the matchups for next week?

We look like we'll probably be down Brennan, Hampsey, O'Neill, R Donnelly, Cassidy and Bradley along with McShane. That's probaby a third of our best starting XV.

In our last few meetings with Donegal we have had their main men just completely bossing the proceedings in Murphy and McHugh

Who picks up Murphy now? McNamee? Murphy wanders and we probably need McNamee on the edge of the square - perhaps McKernan. Brennan did a decent job on him last week but will likely not be available. McNamee has done well on McBrearty in the past too if he starts.

Meyler probably the best one to pick up McHugh.

Brennan has also caused us big problems in our last couple of meetings, I assume Rafferty will be the man tasked with watching him.

If we keep those 3 quiet then I think we have a good chance.

We will need a marked improvement in our kickouts too, we need to have a strategy in place there. We were better in this regard today but we need to be a lot better to have a genuine chance next weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 25, 2020, 05:53:20 PM
Surely meyler has to be dropped after them 2 games. He was diabolical, near cost us today again. I'd have raffertty on mchugh. Murphy is near unmarkable anyway so maybe a spoiler on him, Ben mxdonnell maybe.
A complete contrast today when we moved the ball quickly with the foot compared to last weeks lateral keep the ball. Mckenna has been brilliant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 25, 2020, 05:53:20 PM
Surely meyler has to be dropped after them 2 games. He was diabolical, near cost us today again. I'd have raffertty on mchugh. Murphy is near unmarkable anyway so maybe a spoiler on him, Ben mxdonnell maybe.
A complete contrast today when we moved the ball quickly with the foot compared to last weeks lateral keep the ball. Mckenna has been brilliant

Meyler was poor today alright, there was one stage in the second half where he got the ball around the 45 yard line, the Mayo defence was MIA and had a straight run right down the middle of the goal for some reason started running over towards the corner away from goal. It was bizarre as another goal and that stage would have killed the game.

Meyler is a dog for work and he does bring benefits to the team but he hasn't really developed as a footballer, looks a player fairly low on confidence at the minute but he does have the engine and pace to match McHugh and we don't have many of those in the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on October 25, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
Should that not have been a straight red for keegans challenge on donnelly on the stroke of half time?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 25, 2020, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 25, 2020, 05:53:20 PM
Surely meyler has to be dropped after them 2 games. He was diabolical, near cost us today again. I'd have raffertty on mchugh. Murphy is near unmarkable anyway so maybe a spoiler on him, Ben mxdonnell maybe.
A complete contrast today when we moved the ball quickly with the foot compared to last weeks lateral keep the ball. Mckenna has been brilliant

Meyler was poor today alright, there was one stage in the second half where he got the ball around the 45 yard line, the Mayo defence was MIA and had a straight run right down the middle of the goal for some reason started running over towards the corner away from goal. It was bizarre as another goal and that stage would have killed the game.

Meyler is a dog for work and he does bring benefits to the team but he hasn't really developed as a footballer, looks a player fairly low on confidence at the minute but he does have the engine and pace to match McHugh and we don't have many of those in the team.
Surely things like that in his game are flagged and are shown to him to try and make him better. There was a def a point if not a goal to be had today if he went straight down the middle that time. Same last week, headed to the corner flag instead of laying of to a runner coming in of his shoulder, got bottled up and kicked down the sideline and donegal turned it over and got there last goal of it. Same in the allireland final, ran out over the sideline with the ball rather than face the Dublin tackle, they scored a goal straight of the sideline ball. Dropped the ball when through at the start for a goal today. Seems to be undroppable along with hampsey and mccann

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 25, 2020, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on October 25, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
Should that not have been a straight red for keegans challenge on donnelly on the stroke of half time?

Yes thought so too. It's a cheap shot that never ever gets punished.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:32:29 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 25, 2020, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 25, 2020, 05:53:20 PM
Surely meyler has to be dropped after them 2 games. He was diabolical, near cost us today again. I'd have raffertty on mchugh. Murphy is near unmarkable anyway so maybe a spoiler on him, Ben mxdonnell maybe.
A complete contrast today when we moved the ball quickly with the foot compared to last weeks lateral keep the ball. Mckenna has been brilliant

Meyler was poor today alright, there was one stage in the second half where he got the ball around the 45 yard line, the Mayo defence was MIA and had a straight run right down the middle of the goal for some reason started running over towards the corner away from goal. It was bizarre as another goal and that stage would have killed the game.

Meyler is a dog for work and he does bring benefits to the team but he hasn't really developed as a footballer, looks a player fairly low on confidence at the minute but he does have the engine and pace to match McHugh and we don't have many of those in the team.
Surely things like that in his game are flagged and are shown to him to try and make him better. There was a def a point if not a goal to be had today if he went straight down the middle that time. Same last week, headed to the corner flag instead of laying of to a runner coming in of his shoulder, got bottled up and kicked down the sideline and donegal turned it over and got there last goal of it. Same in the allireland final, ran out over the sideline with the ball rather than face the Dublin tackle, they scored a goal straight of the sideline ball. Dropped the ball when through at the start for a goal today. Seems to be undroppable along with hampsey and mccann

Thought McCann was a lot better today. Our half back options have gone a bit stale, the O'Neill injury is a shame as he did well today.

Burns, McGeary, McCann, McKernan have all been pretty average of late. Brennan and Rafferty have been doing well in the corners so I'd leave them there. We have plenty of options in the half back line but none of them are really putting their hand up and making themselves undroppable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Thought Kennedy did really well in the first half but was noticeably tiring before he came off.

Coney was poor when he came in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Thought Kennedy did really well in the first half but was noticeably tiring before he came off.

Coney was poor when he came in.

Kyle Coney isn't the answer. He has zero work rate. Ardboe allow him to play a quarter back roll and prance around and look out passes. You can't get away with that at inter county level. I don't even think he gets away with it at club level.

He has all the skills and talent but not the effort to make it work
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:57:50 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Thought Kennedy did really well in the first half but was noticeably tiring before he came off.

Coney was poor when he came in.

Kyle Coney isn't the answer. He has zero work rate. Ardboe allow him to play a quarter back roll and prance around and look out passes. You can't get away with that at inter county level. I don't even think he gets away with it at club level.

He has all the skills and talent but not the effort to make it work

I think we have now reached a stage next year where the squad is undoubtedly good enough for an All Ireland (with a full hand at its disposal).

McKenna and McShane back and guys like Harte, Donnelly, Bradley, McCurry, Canavan, Sludden, McAliskey, Brennan, Bradley, Donaghy available then for the first time I think we have a forward line that can mix it with your Dublin, Kerry and Donegals.

We do have issues in our half back line and midfield but I think we should be able to sort these.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on October 25, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2020, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 25, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Wasn't there posters on here saying that Conor McKenna wouldn't be able to just slot into the side and make a difference?

They're the same people who will continue to push the narrative that Tyrone can't beat big teams. They'll be quiet for a while after this.

As far as I can remember Tyrone have not beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin in about 7 years in championship football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 25, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:57:50 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Thought Kennedy did really well in the first half but was noticeably tiring before he came off.

Coney was poor when he came in.

Kyle Coney isn't the answer. He has zero work rate. Ardboe allow him to play a quarter back roll and prance around and look out passes. You can't get away with that at inter county level. I don't even think he gets away with it at club level.

He has all the skills and talent but not the effort to make it work

I think we have now reached a stage next year where the squad is undoubtedly good enough for an All Ireland (with a full hand at its disposal).

McKenna and McShane back and guys like Harte, Donnelly, Bradley, McCurry, Canavan, Sludden, McAliskey, Brennan, Bradley, Donaghy available then for the first time I think we have a forward line that can mix it with your Dublin, Kerry and Donegals.

We do have issues in our half back line and midfield but I think we should be able to sort these.
Very optimistic and it looks good on paper. But with Harte still over the team will he be adventurous enough to play as many attacking players as he can?
Also Donnelly and Harte will be 31 next year, so coming towards their end in the next few years and can you really see McAliskey and Brennan being involved?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 25, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:57:50 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 25, 2020, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Thought Kennedy did really well in the first half but was noticeably tiring before he came off.

Coney was poor when he came in.

Kyle Coney isn't the answer. He has zero work rate. Ardboe allow him to play a quarter back roll and prance around and look out passes. You can't get away with that at inter county level. I don't even think he gets away with it at club level.

He has all the skills and talent but not the effort to make it work

I think we have now reached a stage next year where the squad is undoubtedly good enough for an All Ireland (with a full hand at its disposal).

McKenna and McShane back and guys like Harte, Donnelly, Bradley, McCurry, Canavan, Sludden, McAliskey, Brennan, Bradley, Donaghy available then for the first time I think we have a forward line that can mix it with your Dublin, Kerry and Donegals.

We do have issues in our half back line and midfield but I think we should be able to sort these.
Very optimistic and it looks good on paper. But with Harte still over the team will he be adventurous enough to play as many attacking players as he can?
Also Donnelly and Harte will be 31 next year, so coming towards their end in the next few years and can you really see McAliskey and Brennan being involved?

I genuinely think with McKenna and McShane available it will force Harte's hand to be more adventurous. Donnelly was flying today, he seems to have came back from that injury really well, both are still 29, they turn 30 in November and December respectively so we should knock another 2/3 years out of them.

I'd be playing Harte close to goal from now, I think he's a good ball winner, he has got that burst of pace and eye for goal and is comfortable off both feet. I think he's an ideal foil for McShane in there. McKenna should be given a free role on the 40 and I think McCurry has done a good job in a roving role this year, getting on the ball, linking play and taking scores. Bradley played his best football for Tyrone so far at 11 so I'd utilise him similarly.

Whether McAliskey and Brennan come back is probably up to them. Ronan O'Neill came back in and he'd definitely be behind them for a place if it came to it so that really depends on the desire for both of these players to come back, work hard and fight for a place. I don't really have an awful lot of sympathy for Lee Brennan, he's got to want that jersey as much as the guys he's competing with a spot for or he won't get but we know his talent. The last time he was in he threw a strop when he fell behind in the pecking order. We have had guys like Bradley, McCurry, McAliskey and O'Neill there battling it out for 1/2 places between them so he's go to show an improvement in attitude.

Is Harte the right man for the job? I don't know but you look across the county right now and see if you can tell me if we have a real standout option to replace him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2020, 07:25:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on October 25, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2020, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: clarshack on October 25, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Wasn't there posters on here saying that Conor McKenna wouldn't be able to just slot into the side and make a difference?

They're the same people who will continue to push the narrative that Tyrone can't beat big teams. They'll be quiet for a while after this.

As far as I can remember Tyrone have not beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin in about 7 years in championship football.
It's longer than that?

Possibly but you have to consider up to 2014 it was the old guard team with the likes of O'Neill, Carlin, Gormley and that ilk. 2015 marked the start of this Tyrone side really, since then we've been eliminated by Dublin twice convincingly, Kerry twice and Mayo once in much tighter affairs.

Were we a better team than Kerry or Mayo in that time? Did we have better players? Debatable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 07:41:55 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2020, 07:37:46 PM
I thought Tyrone hadn't beaten any of those teams since 2008?

As for the current lot, I still think they should have had Kerry beaten last year. There was a defeat to Mayo in which Tyrone were the better team too.
Dublin are a bit beyond them.

We lost to Kerry in 2015 and 2019 by 3 points each time.
We lost to Mayo in 2016 by a point.

We arguably could won all those games, the two games against Kerry we were absolutely rode by Maurice Deegan, we missed a huge amount of chances in the 2015 match to win that game.
In 2016 Mayo edged us out but we had loads of opportunities near the end to draw that game but couldn't take them.

I would say the marginal differences on those was a quality difference.

From 2015-2019 I don't think we underachieved too much - 2016 is the only year we never made it to the SF stage and that's when Mayo pipped us and very nearly took Dublin in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 07:57:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2020, 07:44:51 PM
I didn't think the question was about Tyrone underachieving. I don't think they have underachieved. It was whether they can beat the 3 other big teams in the championship.

That's fair but nobody has beaten Dublin since Donegal in 2014 so check those two off.

Next we're 0/2 against Kerry and 0/1 against Mayo. Hardly a huge pool to confirm that theory.

Thirdly now we have McKenna back, he's hardly back a wet week and he already looks our best player and main man, with McShane hopefully back fit and firing next year I think that makes us a different proposition.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on October 25, 2020, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2020, 08:07:01 PM
True but you have just completely disregarded about 7 years. "New generation" or not - they haven't beaten any of those 3 counties since 2008.

To be honest if we beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin in championship this year but still lose the AI then I'll consider it as big a failure as every other year since 2008. People, especially lads on TV and here like to make a big thing of Tyrone not beating Mayo or Kerry but sure if we but them but still end up losing to the Dubs it means f**k all anyway.

Trying to argue your county is the 2nd best team to Dublin is like two bald lads arguing over a comb.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 08:13:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2020, 08:07:01 PM
True but you have just completely disregarded about 7 years. "New generation" or not - they haven't beaten any of those 3 counties since 2008.

Different groups of players though. Tyrone were in terminal decline from 09-14 really. Guys like Jordan, Dooher, McGuigan, McGinley, O'Neill, Ricey etc - all some of our greats were blighted by injuries and mother time calling - it happens. Look at the great Down and Meath teams from the 90s, the Galway team that won two All Irelands, even Armagh. Look at how those counties fell away but to Harte's credit Tyrone stayed somewhat relevant, a consistent top 5/6 side.

Maybe it's time for a new voice, I'm not going to argue too much with that view but who? I don't see any candidates jumping up at me. I can't see the county board breaking the bank for a Jim McGuinness to come in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2020, 08:21:55 PM
I just don't think you can say "it isn't a huge pool to confirm the theory" when you yourself have greatly narrowed it.
Every time Tyrone meet one of these teams in the championship, they lose. It has been like that for 12 years.

But should that not be expected.

Everytime anyone meets Dublin they lose. Why?

Because Dublin are better than everyone else.

I don't think we were good enough to beat a top team from 2012 onwards.

You could make an argument from 09-11 but a lot of that great team were failing badly and maybe the hunger had gone with 3 All Irelands in some of them. From 12-14, we were nowhere near the class of Donegal or Dublin or even Kerry or Mayo. From 2015 we made a few progressive steps, I don't think we were a better team than Mayo, you could make an argument for Kerry but we didn't have the same calibre of forwards.

Is the argument you're making that we haven't punched above our weight in that time?

If Harte is in the job next, there will be extra pressure on him, I think for a lot of people there will be the expectation that maybe for the first time since 08, we have a group of players capable of winning an All Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on October 25, 2020, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 25, 2020, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 25, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 25, 2020, 05:53:20 PM
Surely meyler has to be dropped after them 2 games. He was diabolical, near cost us today again. I'd have raffertty on mchugh. Murphy is near unmarkable anyway so maybe a spoiler on him, Ben mxdonnell maybe.
A complete contrast today when we moved the ball quickly with the foot compared to last weeks lateral keep the ball. Mckenna has been brilliant

Meyler was poor today alright, there was one stage in the second half where he got the ball around the 45 yard line, the Mayo defence was MIA and had a straight run right down the middle of the goal for some reason started running over towards the corner away from goal. It was bizarre as another goal and that stage would have killed the game.

Meyler is a dog for work and he does bring benefits to the team but he hasn't really developed as a footballer, looks a player fairly low on confidence at the minute but he does have the engine and pace to match McHugh and we don't have many of those in the team.
Surely things like that in his game are flagged and are shown to him to try and make him better. There was a def a point if not a goal to be had today if he went straight down the middle that time. Same last week, headed to the corner flag instead of laying of to a runner coming in of his shoulder, got bottled up and kicked down the sideline and donegal turned it over and got there last goal of it. Same in the allireland final, ran out over the sideline with the ball rather than face the Dublin tackle, they scored a goal straight of the sideline ball. Dropped the ball when through at the start for a goal today. Seems to be undroppable along with hampsey and mccann

Meyler, McKernan and mcshane (bar 2018) have been unbelievably frustrating to watch, all of them have all the physical attributes that you would wish for, but nothing between the ears, running into tackles, poor shot selection, cheap cards over and over and over, surely this is mentioned in reviews as mentioned above, but until there is more consistency and improvement there may be a few ulsters but no AI, but McKenna's few glimpses of absolute class would give ye a bit of hope - great to watch
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 26, 2020, 10:38:13 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
I'm just saying that when people say "Tyrone can't beat the top teams", it's not a load of shite as RedHand88 suggested it was.
They haven't been able to for 12 years and numerous attempts.
For various reasons. Sometimes, the other team were simply superior. Other times, Tyrone couldn't see out a game that they should have won.
Whatever the reason, they can't beat the top teams in the championship.

The main reason being, Harte will always go back to the nip and tuck 14 or 15 behind the ball and try to bring it to the last ten mins and win it on fitness. It will be the same on Sunday as it was in the first half v Donegal in the league there last week.

If McKenna is the real deal or not, we don't really know yet. It's been two games....one of which was lost against the team we play on Sunday too obviously. But he's certainly brought a belief and enthusiasm that seemed unthinkable since the news on McShane, he's freeing up others who look to be playing well including Peter Harte which can only bode well (if Tyrone decide to give it a go).

Unfortunately I can only see Harte reverting to type at the weekend. Donegal are well fit for that type of gameplan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 26, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
McKenna has been really really good in the two games however I believe it will take McShane coming back before we see the best of him.

Harte doesnt seem to trust anyone else to play as an out an out forward.

I too fear for the game v Donegal.

Would love to see us go out and just go for the game rather than some of this shite we have seen lately.

Win and we are clear favourites for Ulster and a shot at an AI again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 26, 2020, 11:11:52 AM
So the jeykll and Hyde show continued with Tyrone yesterday. Hard to know what to expect this weekend. MC Kenna is a beast, great to see him back. Big test for him against Donegal who managed to nullify MC Shane last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on October 26, 2020, 11:13:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
I'm just saying that when people say "Tyrone can't beat the top teams", it's not a load of shite as RedHand88 suggested it was.
They haven't been able to for 12 years and numerous attempts.
For various reasons. Sometimes, the other team were simply superior. Other times, Tyrone couldn't see out a game that they should have won.
Whatever the reason, they can't beat the top teams in the championship.

The above is true if you are limiting the top teams to Mayo, Kerry and Dublin.  But most would include Donegal and Monaghan in that bracket too and Tyrone have beaten both quite a few times.

As for Tyrone, looking to next year it is exciting to think of a forward line that could include the like of McShane, McKenna, Bradley, Canavan etc. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 26, 2020, 03:40:10 PM
Anyone have a copy of the Tyrone v Donegal victory in Ballybofey 2 years ago?
Could I get a copy in any way?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on October 26, 2020, 07:50:01 PM
Joe McQuillan ref for Sunday..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on October 27, 2020, 06:03:34 PM
What kind of influence does Kevin Madden have with Tyrone? Does he take part in training or is he working in the background?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on October 27, 2020, 06:03:34 PM
What kind of influence does Kevin Madden have with Tyrone? Does he take part in training or is he working in the background?

Had completely forgotten about him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on October 27, 2020, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on October 27, 2020, 06:03:34 PM
What kind of influence does Kevin Madden have with Tyrone? Does he take part in training or is he working in the background?

Had completely forgotten about him.

Mickey lets him put the cones out and take the warm down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dunsilly King on October 28, 2020, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 27, 2020, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on October 27, 2020, 06:03:34 PM
What kind of influence does Kevin Madden have with Tyrone? Does he take part in training or is he working in the background?

Had completely forgotten about him.

Mickey lets him put the cones out and take the warm down.

Yes thats why Mickey asked him unto the coaching team :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
Madden is a shrewd operator.

Wise move by Harte to take someone else in to give a different point of view - if he listens or not that is debatable.

Madden v Horse for the top seat when Harte steps away?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 28, 2020, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
Madden is a shrewd operator.

Wise move by Harte to take someone else in to give a different point of view - if he listens or not that is debatable.

Madden v Horse for the top seat when Harte steps away?
stop trolling me. My blood pressure high enough .
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 28, 2020, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
Madden is a shrewd operator.

Wise move by Harte to take someone else in to give a different point of view - if he listens or not that is debatable.

Madden v Horse for the top seat when Harte steps away?
stop trolling me. My blood pressure high enough .

?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 28, 2020, 03:54:55 PM
Twas a joke, Taylor. Bit like the Tyrone management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 04:43:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 28, 2020, 03:54:55 PM
Twas a joke, Taylor. Bit like the Tyrone management.

;D
You never let us down STG
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on October 28, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
If Tyrone get beat on Sunday is that Mickey on the dole?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 28, 2020, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 28, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
If Tyrone get beat on Sunday is that Mickey on the dole?
absolutely not! He qualifies for the pension.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on October 28, 2020, 10:00:44 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 28, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
If Tyrone get beat on Sunday is that Mickey on the dole?

Not. A. Chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on October 28, 2020, 11:04:41 PM
He has asked for 3 more years
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on October 29, 2020, 06:17:47 AM
No mickey harte can say there was no back door so he has a free shot at the all ireland this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 29, 2020, 07:59:56 AM
Looking forward to Sunday. Would read nothing into the league game as Tyrone didn't seem to invest too much in the game. It will be a massive task on Sunday though and Donegal will rightfully fancy their chances. The unavailability of so many players is effecting the strength and depth of the team and would have liked another forward option or two on the bench.

I see in papers Richie Donnelly has been back training. If he's fit he will start and this time of year probably suits him, as well as giving a bit more physicality around the middle sector which we lacked massively in the league game. Meyler seemed to play a more attacking role last week and was poor, if he's on it'll have to be in a more defensive role. Our options at the back are a limited given the likely unavailability of Brennan, Hampsey, Cassidy etc.

You could actually make a case for playing McRory (as popular as that would be) who again should suit the time of year and is more of an out and out marker than some of the players in defence. It's a toss up between him and Hugh Pat for me. It's hard to know what to do with Sludden. There is potential in him but hasn't delivered in the last few years. I don't think he's an 11 - so either an option as a half forward or half back. Liam Rafferty seems better on the front foot than back foot so I'd have him in half back line. I'd go with something like this (assuming boys above unavailable):

Morgan
Hugh Pat
McNamee
McKernan
McCann
Burns
Rafferty
Kennedy
Mattie
Sludden
R Donnelly
McGeary
Harte
McKenna
Canavan

McCurry to hopefully provide some kind of impact of the bench. Tyrone being given very little chance in the media which probably suits us alright. I certainly wouldn't right the team off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 29, 2020, 08:35:06 AM
I'd be very very surprised if there are many changes to the team that started on Sunday past. Looks like Michael O'Neill has an injury so not sure there. Maybe if Richie Donnelly is fit he'd take his spot. Meyler is the only one in the squad capable of tracking McHugh albeit he was poor doing a similar job on Durkan on Sunday. I'm confident enough they can pull it out of the bag.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on October 29, 2020, 09:24:51 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 29, 2020, 07:59:56 AM
Looking forward to Sunday. Would read nothing into the league game as Tyrone didn't seem to invest too much in the game. It will be a massive task on Sunday though and Donegal will rightfully fancy their chances. The unavailability of so many players is effecting the strength and depth of the team and would have liked another forward option or two on the bench.

I see in papers Richie Donnelly has been back training. If he's fit he will start and this time of year probably suits him, as well as giving a bit more physicality around the middle sector which we lacked massively in the league game. Meyler seemed to play a more attacking role last week and was poor, if he's on it'll have to be in a more defensive role. Our options at the back are a limited given the likely unavailability of Brennan, Hampsey, Cassidy etc.

You could actually make a case for playing McRory (as popular as that would be) who again should suit the time of year and is more of an out and out marker than some of the players in defence. It's a toss up between him and Hugh Pat for me. It's hard to know what to do with Sludden. There is potential in him but hasn't delivered in the last few years. I don't think he's an 11 - so either an option as a half forward or half back. Liam Rafferty seems better on the front foot than back foot so I'd have him in half back line. I'd go with something like this (assuming boys above unavailable):

Morgan
Hugh Pat
McNamee
McKernan
McCann
Burns
Rafferty
Kennedy
Mattie
Sludden
R Donnelly
McGeary
Harte
McKenna
Canavan

McCurry to hopefully provide some kind of impact of the bench. Tyrone being given very little chance in the media which probably suits us alright. I certainly wouldn't right the team off.

There's no way I'd have Sludden starting ahead of McCurry, and I'd be surprised if Richie Donnelly starts having not played at all in the two league games.  Meyler also seems to be one of the first names on the team sheet, when he's fit he always plays.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 29, 2020, 09:39:37 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 29, 2020, 07:59:56 AM
Looking forward to Sunday. Would read nothing into the league game as Tyrone didn't seem to invest too much in the game. It will be a massive task on Sunday though and Donegal will rightfully fancy their chances. The unavailability of so many players is effecting the strength and depth of the team and would have liked another forward option or two on the bench.

I see in papers Richie Donnelly has been back training. If he's fit he will start and this time of year probably suits him, as well as giving a bit more physicality around the middle sector which we lacked massively in the league game. Meyler seemed to play a more attacking role last week and was poor, if he's on it'll have to be in a more defensive role. Our options at the back are a limited given the likely unavailability of Brennan, Hampsey, Cassidy etc.

You could actually make a case for playing McRory (as popular as that would be) who again should suit the time of year and is more of an out and out marker than some of the players in defence. It's a toss up between him and Hugh Pat for me. It's hard to know what to do with Sludden. There is potential in him but hasn't delivered in the last few years. I don't think he's an 11 - so either an option as a half forward or half back. Liam Rafferty seems better on the front foot than back foot so I'd have him in half back line. I'd go with something like this (assuming boys above unavailable):

Morgan
Hugh Pat
McNamee
McKernan
McCann
Burns
Rafferty
Kennedy
Mattie
Sludden
R Donnelly
McGeary
Harte
McKenna
Canavan

McCurry to hopefully provide some kind of impact of the bench. Tyrone being given very little chance in the media which probably suits us alright. I certainly wouldn't right the team off.

It really depends on who we have available. Apparently O'Neill was having problems breathing on Sunday but it was not anything related to a clash or an impact injury, he went to hospital but got the OK so not sure if he's available. I've liked what I've seen from him so far, looks to have far more defensively than what else we have.

McCurry simply has to start.

Presuming R Donnelly is available.....I'd go with.

Morgan
Rafferty
McNamee
Hugh Pat
McCann
McGeary
O'Neill/McKernan
Kennedy
R Donnelly/Kilpatrick
M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry
Canavan/Bradley
Harte
Meyler

Meyler would solely be in that team to dog McHugh as he's been very poor otherwise. I'd prefer to spring Canavan from the bench later on when he might get a little more room to operate but that ability would depend on having someone like Bradley available. Is Daniel Kerr still on the squad and available? He's a better option than Ronan O'Neill for me.

Sludden looks like he's struggling so I wouldn't start. Frank Burns and McKernan make too many defensive mistakes to start. McKernan does offer a bit going forward but I think if O'Neill is fit an available I'd start him.

I'd resist throwing McKenna inside, we do have Harte back for this as he missed the league match with Donegal, Harte has a bit of pace about him and can win his ball out in front so it will free McKenna to play at 11 and get on the ball. We need someone in there beside him so it's probably Canavan but if Bradley is available I'd start him, as I mentioned earlier I think Kerr is a better option off the bench than R O'Neill but wasn't involved in either league match.

Then there's the task of Donegal's danger men:

If McBrearty plays then McNamee should pick him up, he's done well on him in the past.
Murphy is a tricky one, Hampsey and Brennan would be the two main men here but both look set to be out, Cassidy would be the most suited next but he looks gone too so I'd probably go with Hugh Pat.
Meyler should pick McHugh up
Rafferty on Brennan


If Murphy and McHugh are negated and Tyrone sort their kickouts out then that's the basis for a win. I just want to see a tactical improvement from Tyrone and to give Donegal a real battle, I'd be happy with that given the amount of absentees.






Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on October 29, 2020, 09:39:37 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 29, 2020, 07:59:56 AM
Looking forward to Sunday. Would read nothing into the league game as Tyrone didn't seem to invest too much in the game. It will be a massive task on Sunday though and Donegal will rightfully fancy their chances. The unavailability of so many players is effecting the strength and depth of the team and would have liked another forward option or two on the bench.

I see in papers Richie Donnelly has been back training. If he's fit he will start and this time of year probably suits him, as well as giving a bit more physicality around the middle sector which we lacked massively in the league game. Meyler seemed to play a more attacking role last week and was poor, if he's on it'll have to be in a more defensive role. Our options at the back are a limited given the likely unavailability of Brennan, Hampsey, Cassidy etc.

You could actually make a case for playing McRory (as popular as that would be) who again should suit the time of year and is more of an out and out marker than some of the players in defence. It's a toss up between him and Hugh Pat for me. It's hard to know what to do with Sludden. There is potential in him but hasn't delivered in the last few years. I don't think he's an 11 - so either an option as a half forward or half back. Liam Rafferty seems better on the front foot than back foot so I'd have him in half back line. I'd go with something like this (assuming boys above unavailable):

Morgan
Hugh Pat
McNamee
McKernan
McCann
Burns
Rafferty
Kennedy
Mattie
Sludden
R Donnelly
McGeary
Harte
McKenna
Canavan

McCurry to hopefully provide some kind of impact of the bench. Tyrone being given very little chance in the media which probably suits us alright. I certainly wouldn't right the team off.

It really depends on who we have available. Apparently O'Neill was having problems breathing on Sunday but it was not anything related to a clash or an impact injury, he went to hospital but got the OK so not sure if he's available. I've liked what I've seen from him so far, looks to have far more defensively than what else we have.

McCurry simply has to start.

Presuming R Donnelly is available.....I'd go with.

Morgan
Rafferty
McNamee
Hugh Pat
McCann
McGeary
O'Neill/McKernan
Kennedy
R Donnelly/Kilpatrick
M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry
Canavan/Bradley
Harte
Meyler

Meyler would solely be in that team to dog McHugh as he's been very poor otherwise. I'd prefer to spring Canavan from the bench later on when he might get a little more room to operate but that ability would depend on having someone like Bradley available. Is Daniel Kerr still on the squad and available? He's a better option than Ronan O'Neill for me.

Sludden looks like he's struggling so I wouldn't start. Frank Burns and McKernan make too many defensive mistakes to start. McKernan does offer a bit going forward but I think if O'Neill is fit an available I'd start him.

I'd resist throwing McKenna inside, we do have Harte back for this as he missed the league match with Donegal, Harte has a bit of pace about him and can win his ball out in front so it will free McKenna to play at 11 and get on the ball. We need someone in there beside him so it's probably Canavan but if Bradley is available I'd start him, as I mentioned earlier I think Kerr is a better option off the bench than R O'Neill but wasn't involved in either league match.

Then there's the task of Donegal's danger men:

If McBrearty plays then McNamee should pick him up, he's done well on him in the past.
Murphy is a tricky one, Hampsey and Brennan would be the two main men here but both look set to be out, Cassidy would be the most suited next but he looks gone too so I'd probably go with Hugh Pat.
Meyler should pick McHugh up
Rafferty on Brennan


If Murphy and McHugh are negated and Tyrone sort their kickouts out then that's the basis for a win. I just want to see a tactical improvement from Tyrone and to give Donegal a real battle, I'd be happy with that given the amount of absentees.

The highlighted parts are absolutely the key to winning Angelo.

Unfortunately I cant see us solving those three problems.

I feel we can negate McHugh.......and I even feel we can keep Murphy a bit quieter than he has been in recent outings (impossible to negate him).

I havent seen anything in the games so far that would say we can flick a switch and sort the kick outs unfortunately
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 10:16:47 AM
I see one of our former players making the news for all the wrong reasons yesterday.
Bel Tel loving it  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 29, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
Slow news day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 29, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
Old news.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 29, 2020, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game

Galbally referee then.

Welcome to GAA Board Sean.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on October 29, 2020, 08:24:48 PM
Morgan
Rafferty
McNamee
Hugh Pat
McCann
McGeary
McKernan
Kennedy
F Burns
M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry
Canavan/sludden
Harte
Meyler

Think that will be the team but hope some improvements.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 29, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
What's the verdict on Mulgrew lads?

Just been very unlucky with injuries or only there due to Horse?

Clearly the lad had a lot of potential, think he started an All Ireland minor final as a 15 year old but seems to have been ravaged by injuries since entering the senior set up.

Bar that game against Armagh in 2017, he hasn't really done much in a Tyrone jersey and even at club level he's never really stood out as anything special.

Is it just a case of him needing to stay injury free or is he not good enough. It's hard to even say what type of player he is or where his best position is.

Naturally there will be the usual calls of nepotism but could he potentially be a big player for Tyrone if he can stay fit? He's been on the panel 4/5 years now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on October 29, 2020, 09:23:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game

What the f**ks your problem. Granted I wouldnt have Hugh Pat starting but Kieran McGearys a quality footballer and had a great game last week. He plays on the edge a little but he brings alot to that Tyrone team. As for Frank he has the ability to be a big player for Tyrone but he's played out of position. He plays his best footballer for us closer to goal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on October 29, 2020, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 29, 2020, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game

Galbally referee then.

Welcome to GAA Board Sean.

Galbally t**mp surely, not hard to work that out from his previous comments.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on October 29, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game
Give me Frank Burns and Kieran McGeary before Tiernan McCann, Michael McKernan or Conor Meyler anyday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on October 29, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 29, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
What's the verdict on Mulgrew lads?

Just been very unlucky with injuries or only there due to Horse?

Clearly the lad had a lot of potential, think he started an All Ireland minor final as a 15 year old but seems to have been ravaged by injuries since entering the senior set up.

Bar that game against Armagh in 2017, he hasn't really done much in a Tyrone jersey and even at club level he's never really stood out as anything special.

Is it just a case of him needing to stay injury free or is he not good enough. It's hard to even say what type of player he is or where his best position is.

Naturally there will be the usual calls of nepotism but could he potentially be a big player for Tyrone if he can stay fit? He's been on the panel 4/5 years now.

Really not good over the last few years. Watching him in the Club Championship, he skied nearly every shot he took. Came on against Donegal two weeks ago and did the same thing.

At this stage it would be in his benefit to drop him/for him to withdraw from the squad. There are absolutely better 'on form' Players to call up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 29, 2020, 10:21:14 PM
One thing I don't like on here is singling out players who put so much into playing for the county  for over the top criticism. There's a number of 50 50 marginal calls in the team selection.

I think it's a tight call between mccurry and sludden. For some reason sludden has been off form for a while. The best he ever played was running at the dubs on a wet night in croke park 3/4 years ago. He seems to have lost that direct running style. Mccurry has never really nailed it in a big championship game, hopefully it comes this week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 29, 2020, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 29, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 29, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
What's the verdict on Mulgrew lads?

Just been very unlucky with injuries or only there due to Horse?

Clearly the lad had a lot of potential, think he started an All Ireland minor final as a 15 year old but seems to have been ravaged by injuries since entering the senior set up.

Bar that game against Armagh in 2017, he hasn't really done much in a Tyrone jersey and even at club level he's never really stood out as anything special.

Is it just a case of him needing to stay injury free or is he not good enough. It's hard to even say what type of player he is or where his best position is.

Naturally there will be the usual calls of nepotism but could he potentially be a big player for Tyrone if he can stay fit? He's been on the panel 4/5 years now.

Really not good over the last few years. Watching him in the Club Championship, he skied nearly every shot he took. Came on against Donegal two weeks ago and did the same thing.

At this stage it would be in his benefit to drop him/for him to withdraw from the squad. There are absolutely better 'on form' Players to call up.

That would be my verdict of him too but he did come into the squad with a big reputation. He's probably only 22/23 so still has plenty of time but he's been on the senior panel 4/5 years now and doesn't really seem to have made any sort of progression.

I'm just not sure what type of player he is or is meant to be seeing him. Maybe it is injuries and I think as you said it might for the best for him to take a year out of the panel, get some regular football with the club and get some continuity and confidence back because it just doesn't seem to be happening with Tyrone now. He is certainly young enough to come back in and make an impact at some stage.

I think we should be looking at a big cull next year, there's about 11/12 players who have been there for a good 3 years plus at this stage who just don't really seem to offer anything that we don't already have and don't really seem to be threatening the team. We saw in the club championship we have plenty of good players about that deserve an opportunity.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 30, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
On current form MC curry starts ahead of sludden all day long. A big cull next year indeed Angelo, management team included. Maybe that's why mulgrew going backwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 30, 2020, 09:00:18 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 30, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
On current form MC curry starts ahead of sludden all day long. A big cull next year indeed Angelo, management team included. Maybe that's why mulgrew going backwards.

You win some you lose some. Last season the management team turned Cathal McShane into one of the top forwards in the country - a player a lot of people in the county were giving about for making the team. Similar story with Colm Cavanagh years ago. They also took a big gamble throwing McKenna in at 11 after a weeks training. Most people were disregarding him for this season.

Anyway all the best the management and players on Sunday - hopefully they do the business.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 29, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game
Give me Frank Burns and Kieran McGeary before Tiernan McCann, Michael McKernan or Conor Meyler anyday.


No questioning McGeary or Burns energy and effort but they are fouling machines, McGeary in Particular never seems to learn..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Doire Gael on October 30, 2020, 11:29:46 AM
Have to agree with Bigtogs- Kierns Mcgeary always seems to be walking the line with referees.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 29, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game
Give me Frank Burns and Kieran McGeary before Tiernan McCann, Michael McKernan or Conor Meyler anyday.


No questioning McGeary or Burns energy and effort but they are fouling machines, McGeary in Particular never seems to learn..

McGeary gets really hard done by referees. If you look back at the frees blown against him against Mayo last week, they were ridiculous. He seems to have acquired a reputation (unfairly) against him that referees are acting on. The sending off against Galway was very harsh when you see what players get away with week in, week out. Look at what Keegan did to Mattie Donnelly at the weekend without even being spoken to, McGeary was a split second off a genuine attempt at a shoulder and got the line, the second yellow against Donegal was for something he said to a very fussy referee that players probably normally get away with.

Burns on the other hand is just an extremely lazy tackler, he commits himself and will then start pulling and dragging if he gets left behind. McKernan is something similar in this regard.

I feel a degree of sympathy for McGeary as he's being singled out but playing on the edge with his aggression is part of what makes his game. I think he's actually a very technically good tackler, he always tries to move his body in the way rather than pulling and dragging but sometimes is a little over zealous in that regard. Players are really trying to target him now and if they get near him they will flop or grab his hand and pull him over so he needs to be more conscious of this and management also need to remind him of this.

Burns on the other hand is just pure laziness and a bit of petulance. He should have got the line against Donegal the other week when he was on a yellow and dragged a man down.

I think we lack a bit of cuteness in our tackling and fouling. One thing James Horan's Mayo are very good at is fouling players from the front, they did it all through the second half last week and the referee didn't pull it. It slows the momentum down where you are trying to play out from the back, it also causes turnovers and you don't have to worry about yellow cards when you're fouling the opposition on their own 21 yard line. Referees are much less likely to give frees to a defender coming out with the ball who is being fouled than a forward advancing on goal with the ball being fouled.

There were two occasions last week where both McNamee and McCann were overturned with the ball in Tyrone's final third, if the tackling committed on them had been the other way around there's not a hope the Tyrone defence would have been getting away with that tackling.

I don't think we are anywhere near as cute when it comes to playing the referees like Kerry, Dublin and Mayo are. The secret is that if you want players out there fouling you've got to do it in their half, it allows you to buy time to get your shape back, teams aren't punished for it with cards and you also get turnovers and scores for tackling that would be blown as a free at the opposite end. There's no dangers from frees in the opponents half.

Problem is that if Tyrone engage in it, it will then probably be highlighted as cynical Tyrone and every other team that engages in it will be dismissed.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 30, 2020, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 29, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game
Give me Frank Burns and Kieran McGeary before Tiernan McCann, Michael McKernan or Conor Meyler anyday.


No questioning McGeary or Burns energy and effort but they are fouling machines, McGeary in Particular never seems to learn..

McGeary gets really hard done by referees. If you look back at the frees blown against him against Mayo last week, they were ridiculous. He seems to have acquired a reputation (unfairly) against him that referees are acting on. The sending off against Galway was very harsh when you see what players get away with week in, week out. Look at what Keegan did to Mattie Donnelly at the weekend without even being spoken to, McGeary was a split second off a genuine attempt at a shoulder and got the line, the second yellow against Donegal was for something he said to a very fussy referee that players probably normally get away with.

Burns on the other hand is just an extremely lazy tackler, he commits himself and will then start pulling and dragging if he gets left behind. McKernan is something similar in this regard.

I feel a degree of sympathy for McGeary as he's being singled out but playing on the edge with his aggression is part of what makes his game. I think he's actually a very technically good tackler, he always tries to move his body in the way rather than pulling and dragging but sometimes is a little over zealous in that regard. Players are really trying to target him now and if they get near him they will flop or grab his hand and pull him over so he needs to be more conscious of this and management also need to remind him of this.

Burns on the other hand is just pure laziness and a bit of petulance. He should have got the line against Donegal the other week when he was on a yellow and dragged a man down.

I think we lack a bit of cuteness in our tackling and fouling. One thing James Horan's Mayo are very good at is fouling players from the front, they did it all through the second half last week and the referee didn't pull it. It slows the momentum down where you are trying to play out from the back, it also causes turnovers and you don't have to worry about yellow cards when you're fouling the opposition on their own 21 yard line. Referees are much less likely to give frees to a defender coming out with the ball who is being fouled than a forward advancing on goal with the ball being fouled.

There were two occasions last week where both McNamee and McCann were overturned with the ball in Tyrone's final third, if the tackling committed on them had been the other way around there's not a hope the Tyrone defence would have been getting away with that tackling.

I don't think we are anywhere near as cute when it comes to playing the referees like Kerry, Dublin and Mayo are. The secret is that if you want players out there fouling you've got to do it in their half, it allows you to buy time to get your shape back, teams aren't punished for it with cards and you also get turnovers and scores for tackling that would be blown as a free at the opposite end. There's no dangers from frees in the opponents half.

Problem is that if Tyrone engage in it, it will then probably be highlighted as cynical Tyrone and every other team that engages in it will be dismissed.
Don't agree with this victims mentality at all.
Tyrone with Colm Cavanagh at sweeper were really good at not giving away frees in scoring areas.
Tackling recently has been much less controlled.
I think Kieran Mc Geary is an excellent footballer but his tackling makes it easy for refs to give frees.
Frank Burns is a poor tackler also
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 01:08:51 PM
Quote from: In hiding on October 30, 2020, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 29, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game
Give me Frank Burns and Kieran McGeary before Tiernan McCann, Michael McKernan or Conor Meyler anyday.


No questioning McGeary or Burns energy and effort but they are fouling machines, McGeary in Particular never seems to learn..

McGeary gets really hard done by referees. If you look back at the frees blown against him against Mayo last week, they were ridiculous. He seems to have acquired a reputation (unfairly) against him that referees are acting on. The sending off against Galway was very harsh when you see what players get away with week in, week out. Look at what Keegan did to Mattie Donnelly at the weekend without even being spoken to, McGeary was a split second off a genuine attempt at a shoulder and got the line, the second yellow against Donegal was for something he said to a very fussy referee that players probably normally get away with.

Burns on the other hand is just an extremely lazy tackler, he commits himself and will then start pulling and dragging if he gets left behind. McKernan is something similar in this regard.

I feel a degree of sympathy for McGeary as he's being singled out but playing on the edge with his aggression is part of what makes his game. I think he's actually a very technically good tackler, he always tries to move his body in the way rather than pulling and dragging but sometimes is a little over zealous in that regard. Players are really trying to target him now and if they get near him they will flop or grab his hand and pull him over so he needs to be more conscious of this and management also need to remind him of this.

Burns on the other hand is just pure laziness and a bit of petulance. He should have got the line against Donegal the other week when he was on a yellow and dragged a man down.

I think we lack a bit of cuteness in our tackling and fouling. One thing James Horan's Mayo are very good at is fouling players from the front, they did it all through the second half last week and the referee didn't pull it. It slows the momentum down where you are trying to play out from the back, it also causes turnovers and you don't have to worry about yellow cards when you're fouling the opposition on their own 21 yard line. Referees are much less likely to give frees to a defender coming out with the ball who is being fouled than a forward advancing on goal with the ball being fouled.

There were two occasions last week where both McNamee and McCann were overturned with the ball in Tyrone's final third, if the tackling committed on them had been the other way around there's not a hope the Tyrone defence would have been getting away with that tackling.

I don't think we are anywhere near as cute when it comes to playing the referees like Kerry, Dublin and Mayo are. The secret is that if you want players out there fouling you've got to do it in their half, it allows you to buy time to get your shape back, teams aren't punished for it with cards and you also get turnovers and scores for tackling that would be blown as a free at the opposite end. There's no dangers from frees in the opponents half.

Problem is that if Tyrone engage in it, it will then probably be highlighted as cynical Tyrone and every other team that engages in it will be dismissed.
Don't agree with this victims mentality at all.
Tyrone with Colm Cavanagh at sweeper were really good at not giving away frees in scoring areas.
Tackling recently has been much less controlled.
I think Kieran Mc Geary is an excellent footballer but his tackling makes it easy for refs to give frees.
Frank Burns is a poor tackler also

Well you look at the tackling from both teams last Sunday and explain to me how some of the tackling on the Mayo forwards were not blown up as fouls.

There were at least two frees blown against McGeary that were nowhere near a free, the first was one where Coen reached back for McGeary's hand, grabbed it and pulled McGeary over as he fell. There was another one near the end where O'Donoghue just brushed past McGeary who had his hands spread wide and flopped to the ground, neither were frees - 2 points.

Then you had McNamee and McCann trying to run the ball out from the back while being pulled at and dragged and nothing given, both got overturned, frees were given - two more points.

I definitely think McGeary is getting a very raw deal from the match officials.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 29, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game
Give me Frank Burns and Kieran McGeary before Tiernan McCann, Michael McKernan or Conor Meyler anyday.


No questioning McGeary or Burns energy and effort but they are fouling machines, McGeary in Particular never seems to learn..

McGeary gets really hard done by referees. If you look back at the frees blown against him against Mayo last week, they were ridiculous. He seems to have acquired a reputation (unfairly) against him that referees are acting on. The sending off against Galway was very harsh when you see what players get away with week in, week out. Look at what Keegan did to Mattie Donnelly at the weekend without even being spoken to, McGeary was a split second off a genuine attempt at a shoulder and got the line, the second yellow against Donegal was for something he said to a very fussy referee that players probably normally get away with.

Burns on the other hand is just an extremely lazy tackler, he commits himself and will then start pulling and dragging if he gets left behind. McKernan is something similar in this regard.

I feel a degree of sympathy for McGeary as he's being singled out but playing on the edge with his aggression is part of what makes his game. I think he's actually a very technically good tackler, he always tries to move his body in the way rather than pulling and dragging but sometimes is a little over zealous in that regard. Players are really trying to target him now and if they get near him they will flop or grab his hand and pull him over so he needs to be more conscious of this and management also need to remind him of this.

Burns on the other hand is just pure laziness and a bit of petulance. He should have got the line against Donegal the other week when he was on a yellow and dragged a man down.

I think we lack a bit of cuteness in our tackling and fouling. One thing James Horan's Mayo are very good at is fouling players from the front, they did it all through the second half last week and the referee didn't pull it. It slows the momentum down where you are trying to play out from the back, it also causes turnovers and you don't have to worry about yellow cards when you're fouling the opposition on their own 21 yard line. Referees are much less likely to give frees to a defender coming out with the ball who is being fouled than a forward advancing on goal with the ball being fouled.

There were two occasions last week where both McNamee and McCann were overturned with the ball in Tyrone's final third, if the tackling committed on them had been the other way around there's not a hope the Tyrone defence would have been getting away with that tackling.

I don't think we are anywhere near as cute when it comes to playing the referees like Kerry, Dublin and Mayo are. The secret is that if you want players out there fouling you've got to do it in their half, it allows you to buy time to get your shape back, teams aren't punished for it with cards and you also get turnovers and scores for tackling that would be blown as a free at the opposite end. There's no dangers from frees in the opponents half.

Problem is that if Tyrone engage in it, it will then probably be highlighted as cynical Tyrone and every other team that engages in it will be dismissed.


In my opinion McGeary bangs and slaps tackle the man and rarely tries to tackle the ball which the rule book say you need to do.....But he does some great work in the attacking area of the at times but out does it all by slapping and banging!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 29, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game
Give me Frank Burns and Kieran McGeary before Tiernan McCann, Michael McKernan or Conor Meyler anyday.


No questioning McGeary or Burns energy and effort but they are fouling machines, McGeary in Particular never seems to learn..

McGeary gets really hard done by referees. If you look back at the frees blown against him against Mayo last week, they were ridiculous. He seems to have acquired a reputation (unfairly) against him that referees are acting on. The sending off against Galway was very harsh when you see what players get away with week in, week out. Look at what Keegan did to Mattie Donnelly at the weekend without even being spoken to, McGeary was a split second off a genuine attempt at a shoulder and got the line, the second yellow against Donegal was for something he said to a very fussy referee that players probably normally get away with.

Burns on the other hand is just an extremely lazy tackler, he commits himself and will then start pulling and dragging if he gets left behind. McKernan is something similar in this regard.

I feel a degree of sympathy for McGeary as he's being singled out but playing on the edge with his aggression is part of what makes his game. I think he's actually a very technically good tackler, he always tries to move his body in the way rather than pulling and dragging but sometimes is a little over zealous in that regard. Players are really trying to target him now and if they get near him they will flop or grab his hand and pull him over so he needs to be more conscious of this and management also need to remind him of this.

Burns on the other hand is just pure laziness and a bit of petulance. He should have got the line against Donegal the other week when he was on a yellow and dragged a man down.

I think we lack a bit of cuteness in our tackling and fouling. One thing James Horan's Mayo are very good at is fouling players from the front, they did it all through the second half last week and the referee didn't pull it. It slows the momentum down where you are trying to play out from the back, it also causes turnovers and you don't have to worry about yellow cards when you're fouling the opposition on their own 21 yard line. Referees are much less likely to give frees to a defender coming out with the ball who is being fouled than a forward advancing on goal with the ball being fouled.

There were two occasions last week where both McNamee and McCann were overturned with the ball in Tyrone's final third, if the tackling committed on them had been the other way around there's not a hope the Tyrone defence would have been getting away with that tackling.

I don't think we are anywhere near as cute when it comes to playing the referees like Kerry, Dublin and Mayo are. The secret is that if you want players out there fouling you've got to do it in their half, it allows you to buy time to get your shape back, teams aren't punished for it with cards and you also get turnovers and scores for tackling that would be blown as a free at the opposite end. There's no dangers from frees in the opponents half.

Problem is that if Tyrone engage in it, it will then probably be highlighted as cynical Tyrone and every other team that engages in it will be dismissed.


In my opinion McGeary bangs and slaps tackle the man and rarely tries to tackle the ball which the rule book say you need to do.....But he does some great work in the attacking area of the at times but out does it all by slapping and banging!!

Look at this one from the weekend.

(https://i.imgur.com/6ubrIZH.png)

He put his arms out to shepherd Coen away, Coen grabs his arm and pulls him over with him and gets the free.

There was another one in the second half where he spreads his arms out and O'Donoghue runs into the arm across his chest, goes down holding the head and gets the free.

The first thing you are thought when you are told how to tackle is to spread you arms out, he was very hard done by on these occasions and it's just poor from a referee buying it.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rawhide on October 30, 2020, 01:50:04 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 30, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on October 29, 2020, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: referee on October 29, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
3 pomeroy men rs,rh 🎅,god spare us,one thing Tyrone don't need is giving away frees what FB and K MC G do constantly,HP is ok for an in-house game but that's it,ass like a limousine bull,conditions won't suit him either, I'll eat my whistle if any off the 3 off them have a good game
Give me Frank Burns and Kieran McGeary before Tiernan McCann, Michael McKernan or Conor Meyler anyday.


No questioning McGeary or Burns energy and effort but they are fouling machines, McGeary in Particular never seems to learn..

McGeary gets really hard done by referees. If you look back at the frees blown against him against Mayo last week, they were ridiculous. He seems to have acquired a reputation (unfairly) against him that referees are acting on. The sending off against Galway was very harsh when you see what players get away with week in, week out. Look at what Keegan did to Mattie Donnelly at the weekend without even being spoken to, McGeary was a split second off a genuine attempt at a shoulder and got the line, the second yellow against Donegal was for something he said to a very fussy referee that players probably normally get away with.

Burns on the other hand is just an extremely lazy tackler, he commits himself and will then start pulling and dragging if he gets left behind. McKernan is something similar in this regard.

I feel a degree of sympathy for McGeary as he's being singled out but playing on the edge with his aggression is part of what makes his game. I think he's actually a very technically good tackler, he always tries to move his body in the way rather than pulling and dragging but sometimes is a little over zealous in that regard. Players are really trying to target him now and if they get near him they will flop or grab his hand and pull him over so he needs to be more conscious of this and management also need to remind him of this.

Burns on the other hand is just pure laziness and a bit of petulance. He should have got the line against Donegal the other week when he was on a yellow and dragged a man down.

I think we lack a bit of cuteness in our tackling and fouling. One thing James Horan's Mayo are very good at is fouling players from the front, they did it all through the second half last week and the referee didn't pull it. It slows the momentum down where you are trying to play out from the back, it also causes turnovers and you don't have to worry about yellow cards when you're fouling the opposition on their own 21 yard line. Referees are much less likely to give frees to a defender coming out with the ball who is being fouled than a forward advancing on goal with the ball being fouled.

There were two occasions last week where both McNamee and McCann were overturned with the ball in Tyrone's final third, if the tackling committed on them had been the other way around there's not a hope the Tyrone defence would have been getting away with that tackling.

I don't think we are anywhere near as cute when it comes to playing the referees like Kerry, Dublin and Mayo are. The secret is that if you want players out there fouling you've got to do it in their half, it allows you to buy time to get your shape back, teams aren't punished for it with cards and you also get turnovers and scores for tackling that would be blown as a free at the opposite end. There's no dangers from frees in the opponents half.

Problem is that if Tyrone engage in it, it will then probably be highlighted as cynical Tyrone and every other team that engages in it will be dismissed.


In my opinion McGeary bangs and slaps tackle the man and rarely tries to tackle the ball which the rule book say you need to do.....But he does some great work in the attacking area of the at times but out does it all by slapping and banging!!

Look at this one from the weekend.

(https://i.imgur.com/6ubrIZH.png)

He put his arms out to shepherd Coen away, Coen grabs his arm and pulls him over with him and gets the free.

There was another one in the second half where he spreads his arms out and O'Donoghue runs into the arm across his chest, goes down holding the head and gets the free.

The first thing you are thought when you are told how to tackle is to spread you arms out, he was very hard done by on these occasions and it's just poor from a referee buying it.
Watched this game twice, feck all else to do these days lol :( Your right on both counts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
I think it's the standard of refereeing in general.

I watched the Armagh Roscommon game there a couple of weeks ago. We all know Armagh are undisciplined in their tackling but some of the frees Gough was giving Roscommon were just beyond a joke. I'd be worried if I was an intercounty defender these days, I'd be afraid to make a tackle because some referees treat the game like it was netball, that if you lay a hand on a defender that doesn't get the ball it's a free and some teams are smart enough to play on a narrative and to play a referee and that's what I saw in that game.

What is incredibly frustrating for players is when a referee calls something up one end of the pitch and fails to be consistent down at the other.

There's always this narrative pushed about Ulster teams being cynical, aggressive and dirty and when you look across the board it's completely unfounded. You look at the treatment Peter Harte got against Kerry last year, under the referee's nose in an All Ireland semi final for 70 minutes and barely a dicky bird about it. You can guarantee if Tyrone blackguarded Clifford like that in the same game there would be uproar. That narrative will eventually play on referees.

McGeary has had an unfair reputation built about him when it comes to tackling and giving fouls away, for me he is probably the most technically proficient tackler in the Tyrone team. He can be a bit overzealous at times and needs to realise he can't win every ball but he's been very, very unfairly treated by match officials of late.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 30, 2020, 02:10:12 PM
Angelo, we reap what we sow with regards referees. The whole rte boycott and carry on this last 10 years has turned the gaa and by extension, referees against us. Think of all the big games in croke park this last decade and every 50/50 decision has went against us. Thing is, the other counties love to see us getting shit on as we are hated by most people at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 30, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
And another point, if we had spent less time on bloody zonal defensive crap then our players would know how to tackle and man mark. A few guys hid behind Colm cavanagh this last few years and now he is gone they finding the going tough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 02:17:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 30, 2020, 02:10:12 PM
Angelo, we reap what we sow with regards referees. The whole rte boycott and carry on this last 10 years has turned the gaa and by extension, referees against us. Think of all the big games in croke park this last decade and every 50/50 decision has went against us. Thing is, the other counties love to see us getting shit on as we are hated by most people at this stage.

We reap what we sow?

In what way, because we don't play ball with a bunch of wankers at RTE? f**k them is what I say, I think we should be a lot more on the front foot in calling out the bias. I have to say Sean Cavanagh has been an absolute embarrassment to Tyrone since he has stepped into his media role.

Unfortunately I see it as a free state thing, we don't get a fair crack down there, won't or probably ever will. Armagh were at the top of their game too in the early 00s and were denigrated in a similar manner as a macho, thuggish team to run down their accomplishments. The southern narrative is that a northern team could never do it by playing fair or in the right style. That's exactly how they want it portrayed.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on October 30, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
And another point, if we had spent less time on bloody zonal defensive crap then our players would know how to tackle and man mark. A few guys hid behind Colm cavanagh this last few years and now he is gone they finding the going tough

There is certainly truth to this. We look like a team currently caught between two stools and you can see that from the Donegal game where players were abdicating tracking runners through.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on October 30, 2020, 06:35:04 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
I think it's the standard of refereeing in general.

I watched the Armagh Roscommon game there a couple of weeks ago. We all know Armagh are undisciplined in their tackling but some of the frees Gough was giving Roscommon were just beyond a joke. I'd be worried if I was an intercounty defender these days, I'd be afraid to make a tackle because some referees treat the game like it was netball, that if you lay a hand on a defender that doesn't get the ball it's a free and some teams are smart enough to play on a narrative and to play a referee and that's what I saw in that game.

What is incredibly frustrating for players is when a referee calls something up one end of the pitch and fails to be consistent down at the other.

There's always this narrative pushed about Ulster teams being cynical, aggressive and dirty and when you look across the board it's completely unfounded. You look at the treatment Peter Harte got against Kerry last year, under the referee's nose in an All Ireland semi final for 70 minutes and barely a dicky bird about it. You can guarantee if Tyrone blackguarded Clifford like that in the same game there would be uproar. That narrative will eventually play on referees.

McGeary has had an unfair reputation built about him when it comes to tackling and giving fouls away, for me he is probably the most technically proficient tackler in the Tyrone team. He can be a bit overzealous at times and needs to realise he can't win every ball but he's been very, very unfairly treated by match officials of late.
Just curious but why do you think referees have decided to be sore on mc Geary in particular if he is as you say our most technically proficient tackler.
I agree with bigtogs btw
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: In hiding on October 30, 2020, 06:35:04 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 30, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
I think it's the standard of refereeing in general.

I watched the Armagh Roscommon game there a couple of weeks ago. We all know Armagh are undisciplined in their tackling but some of the frees Gough was giving Roscommon were just beyond a joke. I'd be worried if I was an intercounty defender these days, I'd be afraid to make a tackle because some referees treat the game like it was netball, that if you lay a hand on a defender that doesn't get the ball it's a free and some teams are smart enough to play on a narrative and to play a referee and that's what I saw in that game.

What is incredibly frustrating for players is when a referee calls something up one end of the pitch and fails to be consistent down at the other.

There's always this narrative pushed about Ulster teams being cynical, aggressive and dirty and when you look across the board it's completely unfounded. You look at the treatment Peter Harte got against Kerry last year, under the referee's nose in an All Ireland semi final for 70 minutes and barely a dicky bird about it. You can guarantee if Tyrone blackguarded Clifford like that in the same game there would be uproar. That narrative will eventually play on referees.

McGeary has had an unfair reputation built about him when it comes to tackling and giving fouls away, for me he is probably the most technically proficient tackler in the Tyrone team. He can be a bit overzealous at times and needs to realise he can't win every ball but he's been very, very unfairly treated by match officials of late.
Just curious but why do you think referees have decided to be sore on mc Geary in particular if he is as you say our most technically proficient tackler.
I agree with bigtogs btw

Because he's an aggressive player who makes tackles.

Just look back at the game at the weekend, he has two frees blown against him in the scoring area where his tackling has been textbook, he's done everything a coach will tell you, make yourself big and get your body in the way. One of them has Coen engineering a free by grabbing McGeary's arm and going to ground dragging McGeary over with him, the other has O'Donoghue running into his outstretched arm and flopping to the ground clutching his face when McGeary arm was across his chest where he had the ball.

I'd be afraid to make a tackle these days if I was defender with some of the refereeing I've seen out there. There seems to be impunity for forwards to foul defenders coming out with the ball at the back but if a defender puts a hand on a forward it seems to be blown up.

It's not netball at the end of the day and some of the refereeing I saw in the last two weeks, not just in the Tyrone games, has been farcical.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Drumraghexile on October 30, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Late walk away from the Tyrone panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on October 30, 2020, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 30, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Late walk away from the Tyrone panel?

Who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on October 31, 2020, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 30, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Late walk away from the Tyrone panel?

What it's the point in posts like this if you aren't prepared to say the name? Do you just like the idea of letting everyone know that you have a secret or what?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 31, 2020, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 30, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Late walk away from the Tyrone panel?

Pub talker!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 31, 2020, 09:51:46 AM
If true it should be a private matter between player and management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Drumraghexile on October 31, 2020, 11:35:30 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 30, 2020, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 30, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Late walk away from the Tyrone panel?

Who?

The Sydney Swan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaagaagaa20 on October 31, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 30, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Late walk away from the Tyrone panel?
I have become aware of this also. Huge pity, talent in Abundance
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on October 31, 2020, 11:40:15 AM
Guys just spit it out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 31, 2020, 11:45:45 AM
McClure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaagaagaa20 on October 31, 2020, 11:46:04 AM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 31, 2020, 11:35:30 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on October 30, 2020, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 30, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Late walk away from the Tyrone panel?

Who?

The Sydney Swan
His club will be more than grateful of his services again next year if theirs starred games
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on October 31, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 31, 2020, 11:47:32 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 31, 2020, 11:45:45 AM
McClure

Old news fella

A pub talker as I suspected.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on October 31, 2020, 12:38:34 PM
Programme team as follows

Morgan
Rafferty
Mcnamee
Hampsey
McCann
Michael Oneill
Michael Mckernan
Kennedy
Donnelly
McGeary
McKenna
Meyler
Mccurry
Harte
Canavan

Bradley and Ritchie on bench
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 31, 2020, 12:42:44 PM
Who else on bench?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on October 31, 2020, 01:03:14 PM
Any chance of Hampsey playing? Is it 10 days quarantine for a positive test? Suppose in theory if he tested positive last Thursday then he could be available depending if it he virus affected him or not.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Drumraghexile on October 31, 2020, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: Drumraghexile on October 31, 2020, 11:47:32 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 31, 2020, 11:45:45 AM
McClure

Old news fella

A pub talker as I suspected.
Buy me a pint and I'll tell you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on October 31, 2020, 01:14:58 PM
Begins with K and ends with yle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on October 31, 2020, 01:38:20 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 31, 2020, 01:03:14 PM
Any chance of Hampsey playing? Is it 10 days quarantine for a positive test? Suppose in theory if he tested positive last Thursday then he could be available depending if it he virus affected him or not.


What is the Gaa ruling on it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 02:11:39 PM
Would be unusual for Coney to walk away after coming on last week, a couple of days before the Championship opener.

Whether it's him or McClure, I don't really see either being a massive loss. McClure might have been given more of a chance ahead of the likes of C McCann and McDonnell but Coney has been really underwhelming since returning.

McClure was on the bench for Donegal but wasn't named against Mayo so perhaps it is him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on October 31, 2020, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 02:11:39 PM
Would be unusual for Coney to walk away after coming on last week, a couple of days before the Championship opener.

Whether it's him or McClure, I don't really see either being a massive loss. McClure might have been given more of a chance ahead of the likes of C McCann and McDonnell but Coney has been really underwhelming since returning.

McClure was on the bench for Donegal but wasn't named against Mayo so perhaps it is him.

McClure has gone from mid last week....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
How would Hampsey be clear to play tomorrow if he was the Covid case?

Is it not 14 days minimum?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on October 31, 2020, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
How would Hampsey be clear to play tomorrow if he was the Covid case?

Is it not 14 days minimum?

f**k knows .....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 31, 2020, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on October 31, 2020, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
How would Hampsey be clear to play tomorrow if he was the Covid case?

Is it not 14 days minimum?

f**k knows .....

Since the game is being played in Republic, I presume the rules of the Republic will govern.  So a person isolates for 10 days from the date of the test and close contacts of that person isolate for 14 days from the date of the result of the test.

That's my understanding anyway...could be way off.

Quote from: hardstation on October 31, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
How would Hampsey be clear to play tomorrow if he was the Covid case?

Is it not 14 days minimum?
Government guidelines are 10 days isolation if you have tested positive.
14 if you are a 'contact' of someone who has tested positive.

Not sure if the GAA's are different.

Edit:  I seem to agree with Angelo...is there a full moon or Halloween or both together?  Strange times for sure!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 31, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
How would Hampsey be clear to play tomorrow if he was the Covid case?

Is it not 14 days minimum?
Government guidelines are 10 days isolation if you have tested positive.
14 if you are a 'contact' of someone who has tested positive.

Not sure if the GAA's are different.

Presumably he would have to have tested negative in the meantime and I'd imagine was asymptomatic if he is starting tomorrow?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 31, 2020, 07:44:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 31, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
How would Hampsey be clear to play tomorrow if he was the Covid case?

Is it not 14 days minimum?
Government guidelines are 10 days isolation if you have tested positive.
14 if you are a 'contact' of someone who has tested positive.

Not sure if the GAA's are different.

Presumably he would have to have tested negative in the meantime and I'd imagine was asymptomatic if he is starting tomorrow?

As far as I know, just isolate for 10 days and you are back as a normal member of the public...no further test required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 08:02:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on October 31, 2020, 07:44:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 31, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
How would Hampsey be clear to play tomorrow if he was the Covid case?

Is it not 14 days minimum?
Government guidelines are 10 days isolation if you have tested positive.
14 if you are a 'contact' of someone who has tested positive.

Not sure if the GAA's are different.

Presumably he would have to have tested negative in the meantime and I'd imagine was asymptomatic if he is starting tomorrow?

As far as I know, just isolate for 10 days and you are back as a normal member of the public...no further test required.

So potentially we could have a player positive for Covid tomorrow playing?

Seems a bit mad that the rules do not enforce this a lot more strictly?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on October 31, 2020, 08:22:11 PM
Apparently Tyrone were offered rapid testing of all panel but declined ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 31, 2020, 08:35:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 08:02:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on October 31, 2020, 07:44:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 31, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 06:40:09 PM
How would Hampsey be clear to play tomorrow if he was the Covid case?

Is it not 14 days minimum?
Government guidelines are 10 days isolation if you have tested positive.
14 if you are a 'contact' of someone who has tested positive.

Not sure if the GAA's are different.

Presumably he would have to have tested negative in the meantime and I'd imagine was asymptomatic if he is starting tomorrow?

As far as I know, just isolate for 10 days and you are back as a normal member of the public...no further test required.

So potentially we could have a player positive for Covid tomorrow playing?

Seems a bit mad that the rules do not enforce this a lot more strictly?

Deemed to be no longer infectious 10 days after positive test (if in full isolation) and no need to prove it.  Close contact deemed no longer infectious (whether infected or not) after 14 days of isolation.

These time lengths have been decreed based on some evidence or research, but they sound reasonable.  But I'll bet there is an exception to every rule...and the key is 100% isolation when required. 

I honestly don't know how anyone could prove 100% isolation beyond holing up somewhere with enough food supplies and have absolutely zero contact with any person.  Even a person leaving food at an isolater's door, whether it be front door or bedroom door, has a chance (however small) of infecting that person again.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on October 31, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
The guidelines are 10 days from first symptoms.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 31, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Surely he's in no position to play having not trained all week.
Would mckenna on Murphy be out of the question. He'd have the legs on Murphy when we would be on the attack. Presumably we will have 14 inside our own half anyway at all times
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 31, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Surely he's in no position to play having not trained all week.
Would mckenna on Murphy be out of the question. He'd have the legs on Murphy when we would be on the attack. Presumably we will have 14 inside our own half anyway at all times

We need to have Donegal worrying about McKenna rather than sacrificing him for Murphy.

I really think it would be a huge risk to start Hampsey. I think McKernan might be the best man,  give him the responsibility to follow him. He has the legs on Murphy out the pitch so it suits us if he goes out there.

McNamee is sure to pick up McBrearty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 31, 2020, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 31, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Surely he's in no position to play having not trained all week.
Would mckenna on Murphy be out of the question. He'd have the legs on Murphy when we would be on the attack. Presumably we will have 14 inside our own half anyway at all times

The training itself wouldn't be a huge issue if he's been feeling alright. He'll have been training all year so a week won't be massive factor. Plenty of boys have missed training due to niggles and still played.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on October 31, 2020, 10:55:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 31, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Surely he's in no position to play having not trained all week.
Would mckenna on Murphy be out of the question. He'd have the legs on Murphy when we would be on the attack. Presumably we will have 14 inside our own half anyway at all times

We need to have Donegal worrying about McKenna rather than sacrificing him for Murphy.

I really think it would be a huge risk to start Hampsey. I think McKernan might be the best man,  give him the responsibility to follow him. He has the legs on Murphy out the pitch so it suits us if he goes out there.

McNamee is sure to pick up McBrearty.

Michael Murphy would throw McKernan around like a child for fun. Complete physical mismatch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 31, 2020, 10:55:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 31, 2020, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 31, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Surely he's in no position to play having not trained all week.
Would mckenna on Murphy be out of the question. He'd have the legs on Murphy when we would be on the attack. Presumably we will have 14 inside our own half anyway at all times

We need to have Donegal worrying about McKenna rather than sacrificing him for Murphy.

I really think it would be a huge risk to start Hampsey. I think McKernan might be the best man,  give him the responsibility to follow him. He has the legs on Murphy out the pitch so it suits us if he goes out there.

McNamee is sure to pick up McBrearty.

Michael Murphy would throw McKernan around like a child for fun. Complete physical mismatch.

No more a physical mismatch than Rory Brennan was on him and Brennan did a decent job a fortnight ago. McKernan is as physical a defender as we have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sidelineball on November 01, 2020, 09:00:40 AM
McNamee put O'Shea in his pocket last week so most likely candidate to match up with Murphy if he's playing as a forward imo. Hopefully Hampsey is available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 01, 2020, 09:02:08 AM
Have to disagree on this one Angelo, McKernan isn't even on Brennan level as a marker or even physically. It might be one of the Pomeroy boys who get much abuse on here for the job.

I could only see Murphy ragdolling McKernan. There will be large parts of the game Murphy drifts around unmarked anyway I suppose, it will be when he makes his little 5 minute spells into 14 presumably McNamee will be switching to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 09:03:34 AM
Quote from: sidelineball on November 01, 2020, 09:00:40 AM
McNamee put O'Shea in his pocket last week so most likely candidate to match up with Murphy if he's playing as a forward imo. Hopefully Hampsey is available.

We need McNamee in that full back line, Murphy is likely to wander all over - moreso if he has McNamee there. McNamee has also done really well on McBrearty in the past and is well suited to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 09:05:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 01, 2020, 09:02:08 AM
Have to disagree on this one Angelo, McKernan isn't even on Brennan level as a marker or even physically. It might be one of the Pomeroy boys who get much abuse on here for the job.

I could only see Murphy ragdolling McKernan. There will be large parts of the game Murphy drifts around unmarked anyway I suppose, it will be when he makes his little 5 minute spells into 14 presumably McNamee will be switching to him.

I'd have no doubts about McKernan physically, he's 6ft and is a strong boy. His decision making can be a problem at times and he can be rash but it wouldn't  be his physicality I have concerns over,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 09:46:20 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 09:05:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 01, 2020, 09:02:08 AM
Have to disagree on this one Angelo, McKernan isn't even on Brennan level as a marker or even physically. It might be one of the Pomeroy boys who get much abuse on here for the job.

I could only see Murphy ragdolling McKernan. There will be large parts of the game Murphy drifts around unmarked anyway I suppose, it will be when he makes his little 5 minute spells into 14 presumably McNamee will be switching to him.

I'd have no doubts about McKernan physically, he's 6ft and is a strong boy. His decision making can be a problem at times and he can be rash but it wouldn't  be his physicality I have concerns over,

Whoever marks Murphy need to be a proper man marker i.e. a spoiler. Sacrafice their own game. They need to stick with Murphy everywhere and not even worry about touching the ball even when Tyrone have it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 09:46:20 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 09:05:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 01, 2020, 09:02:08 AM
Have to disagree on this one Angelo, McKernan isn't even on Brennan level as a marker or even physically. It might be one of the Pomeroy boys who get much abuse on here for the job.

I could only see Murphy ragdolling McKernan. There will be large parts of the game Murphy drifts around unmarked anyway I suppose, it will be when he makes his little 5 minute spells into 14 presumably McNamee will be switching to him.

I'd have no doubts about McKernan physically, he's 6ft and is a strong boy. His decision making can be a problem at times and he can be rash but it wouldn't  be his physicality I have concerns over,

Whoever marks Murphy need to be a proper man marker i.e. a spoiler. Sacrafice their own game. They need to stick with Murphy everywhere and not even worry about touching the ball even when Tyrone have it.

Absolutely.

I also think one way you can damage Murphy is pace, does it get to a stage where he lets his man go and he is involved in a few scores then does Murphy feel the need to track him and then ends up on the back foot.

Hampsey did as good a job as I can remember on Murphy a few years back doing this, think he went up the field and hit a couple of scores in the game as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 01, 2020, 12:17:25 PM
Did Hampsey mark Murphy in Breffni last year ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 01, 2020, 12:17:25 PM
Did Hampsey mark Murphy in Breffni last year ?

Yes.

Murphy lorded it over him last year. Hampsey would have had the better of him in the two previous meetings in 2017 and 2018. It's also worth noting that Hampsey was carrying an injury that required surgery last year. From the limited viewing of him this year he doesn't seemed to be back to anywhere near his best yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 01, 2020, 12:49:57 PM
Ben mcdonnell didn't make the subs. Suprised at that. Aidan mcrory too
Glad those couple of fellas walked, the squad is in need of a serious revamp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 01:27:30 PM
So has Coney walked? Didn't see him among the subs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 02:05:07 PM
How many times in Kieran McGeary gonna be turned over before he's taken off!!  >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 01, 2020, 02:12:36 PM
The usual frees conceded by the Pomeroy men.  McGeary level of tackling has been poor for years. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 5times5times on November 01, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
How would we rate mckernans murder attempt? Hope his head doesn't fall off
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 01, 2020, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 01, 2020, 02:12:36 PM
The usual frees conceded by the Pomeroy men.  McGeary level of tackling has been poor for years.


Referees fault seemingly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 01, 2020, 02:18:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 01:27:30 PM
So has Coney walked? Didn't see him among the subs


Was not named on the 26...told harte see ya later!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 02:18:43 PM
It's not a pomeroy thing but their men are performing particularly poorly. Kieran McGeary is so sloppy his handling is poor. I know the conditions are poor but he has spilled the ball a few times and concedes frees through lazy tackles. Should have been cautioned maybe force Micky to replace him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 01, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Mckernarns as about dishonest a player as ubwill ever meet. If I never seen play for Tyrone again it would be to soon.
Just watch tiarnan mccanns effort for their goal, he has to be the worst defender we have by a mile
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 01, 2020, 02:28:29 PM
Redzone a strike is a red card offence.It was a slap that had a bit of force.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 01, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
Christ how can harte watch tiarnan mccanns  he's brutal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 02:52:02 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 01, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Mckernarns as about dishonest a player as ubwill ever meet. If I never seen play for Tyrone again it would be to soon.
Just watch tiarnan mccanns effort for their goal, he has to be the worst defender we have by a mile

His 'tackling' has been shocking today. Putting a token arm out and letting the man run by him doesn't count as a tackle.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 01, 2020, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 01, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
Christ how can harte watch tiarnan mccanns  he's brutal

GPS has good metres covered though.

Very poor stuff from McKernan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 03:15:39 PM
Thanks for everything Mickey. You will be remembered well.

All the best now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 01, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Why did we take Kennedy of, p harte another game he stays on, complete passenger. Mccurry was brilliant the first half, took off. Harte has to go, his favouritism towards certain players would completey sicken you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 01, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Why did we take Kennedy of, p harte another game he stays on, complete passenger. Mccurry was brilliant the first half, took off. Harte has to go, his favouritism towards certain players would completey sicken you.

It's typical mickey. Don't score enough the just take off the forward without addressing why they aren't getting any ball. Mccurry and Bradley could have ran riot towards the end if they kept him on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:27:03 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 01, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Why did we take Kennedy of, p harte another game he stays on, complete passenger. Mccurry was brilliant the first half, took off. Harte has to go, his favouritism towards certain players would completey sicken you.

The changes were terrible. McCurry was our best player when he was hauled off, we collapsed in midfield after Kennedy went off.

Peter Harte is a terrific player but I completely forgot he was on the field until he got a point near the end.

We gave a performance today, I thought a lot of players stood up well. McGeary and Burns getting some criticism but I thought Burns in particular had a savage games, Meyler did a great job on McHugh too but was much maligned.

McQuillan's performance was disgraceful, a chap in awe of Michael Murphy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 01, 2020, 03:34:44 PM
Tyrone battled well but Donegal just a bit more quality. Peter harte a passenger again yet harte takes off MC curry and canavan who both looked like they could make something happen. Cleaned out in midfield again too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: Peter john on November 01, 2020, 03:33:45 PM
Angie,what game were you watching, not Burns fault he is being asked to play in a defensive set up,he's no defender,a much better footballer from Halfway line on,but to say he was savage is baffling

Burns won a huge amount of dirty ball for Tyrone. I'd ask you which game you were watching, he was one of our best players today. After McNamee our best defender and I've been very, very critical of Burns lately.


Hard to pin the blame on anyone for the goal. Whoever was marking Mogan left him free so and the goal was got in a matter of seconds.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:43:56 PM
Quote from: Peter john on November 01, 2020, 03:41:10 PM
The same game as you angle,look at the kickout and where was burns,as the commentary and even Mc Conville and God picked up on that but the result is the result

Who was marking Mogan?

I don't think it was Burns. That's who the blame goes at for the goal.

Burns is a player who I've been very critical but he had a massive game for us today and there's plenty of other players who are far more in the firing line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on November 01, 2020, 03:54:37 PM
In defence of Harte you don't know if these boys are carrying knocks or whatever. When we got it back to all square we had chances to put our noses in front but didn't take them. Also thought harte should have went for goal when he got in. Think it was two on one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 01, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
No one could be blamed horrendous conditions savage effort just a kick of the ball in it.Penalty not given yellow when it was a red on small things games are won and lost.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 01, 2020, 03:54:37 PM
In defence of Harte you don't know if these boys are carrying knocks or whatever. When we got it back to all square we had chances to put our noses in front but didn't take them. Also thought harte should have went for goal when he got in. Think it was two on one

Usually yeah you could give the player the benefit of the doubt but how many times has Peter gone missing in major games. Too many times is the answer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 01, 2020, 03:54:37 PM
In defence of Harte you don't know if these boys are carrying knocks or whatever. When we got it back to all square we had chances to put our noses in front but didn't take them. Also thought harte should have went for goal when he got in. Think it was two on one

Thought the same. In a game like that if you get in behind the defence you have to go for goal. If McKenna was in that position he'd have gone for the net.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 01, 2020, 04:25:48 PM
Harte should go. It's worth rolling the dice with a new man than just going around in circles. There's talent there. Is it as good as Kerry or Dublin? No. But I do believe it's better than Donegal if set up right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reddgnhand on November 01, 2020, 04:37:09 PM
Is this Harte's last year? Hope so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 04:38:05 PM
Hatres agreed term is up. Tyrone now must make a decision. Then the county committee will be asked to ratify the appointment. If you feel Harte is no longer the man (and he's not) get onto your club delegates and make your feelings known.

County Board, Teamtalk and other voices will give Micky as long as he wants.

Maybe Mickey will realise time is up, and that doesn't mean step up Mark Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on November 01, 2020, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on November 01, 2020, 04:37:09 PM
Is this Harte's last year? Hope so.

No he has the excuse that their was no backdoor so will get at least another season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 01, 2020, 04:54:10 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 04:38:05 PM
Hatres agreed term is up. Tyrone now must make a decision. Then the county committee will be asked to ratify the appointment. If you feel Harte is no longer the man (and he's not) get onto your club delegates and make your feelings known.

County Board, Teamtalk and other voices will give Micky as long as he wants.

Maybe Mickey will realise time is up, and that doesn't mean step up Mark Harte.

Will it make any difference Club voted on 2 years last time County Committee gave him 3... Delegates wanted to go back to the clubs they where told no by our Paid county Secretary!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 01, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
Joe brolly gave mckernan stick on twitter but mckernarns reply is hilarious in fairness
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 05:03:56 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 01, 2020, 04:54:10 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 04:38:05 PM
Hatres agreed term is up. Tyrone now must make a decision. Then the county committee will be asked to ratify the appointment. If you feel Harte is no longer the man (and he's not) get onto your club delegates and make your feelings known.

County Board, Teamtalk and other voices will give Micky as long as he wants.

Maybe Mickey will realise time is up, and that doesn't mean step up Mark Harte.

Will it make any difference Club voted on 2 years last time County Committee gave him 3... Delegates wanted to go back to the clubs they where told no by our Paid county Secretary!!!

The club delegates voted to give him 3 when he requested 2. Not the county board.

Every club sends one delegate. They need to be held accountable for their decision making and should be made public how they vote.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 01, 2020, 05:06:47 PM
Who gave away the yards on Thompson's last free kick for mouthing? Should get a serious kick up the arse as that was a 10% kick turned into a 90% kick. Was it McGeary??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 01, 2020, 05:11:10 PM
Who proposed the 3 year term for harte last time?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on November 01, 2020, 05:12:12 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 01, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
Joe brolly gave mckernan stick on twitter but mckernarns reply is hilarious in fairness

Lol. Totally roasted him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: GJL on November 01, 2020, 05:12:12 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 01, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
Joe brolly gave mckernan stick on twitter but mckernarns reply is hilarious in fairness

Lol. Totally roasted him.

It was glorious.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 01, 2020, 05:20:57 PM
Am I not right in saying that the County Committee aren't meeting at the minute due to Covid and their powers have been delegated to the Management Committee?

So the decision to give Harte an extension could just be made by the Management Committee.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on November 01, 2020, 05:21:32 PM
Hartes time is up

Enough is enough, 12 years of failure in the championship should be enough for any county committee to have the gumption to change things, we seen more evidence today that when we needed a score the men to do it where either behind him in the dugout or sitting at home.
He tuck off Mc curry and young Canavan and put on men who weren't fit as well as not being forwards

To win a game you have to be fit to put the bar over the bar we play a game were we try to stop the opposing team score, how did Peter Harte stay on a pitch
Tyrone clergy need to rid the people of the preacher
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 05:24:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 01, 2020, 05:11:10 PM
Who proposed the 3 year term for harte last time?

Don't know. I'm sure someone has that info or it's minuted somewhere. They should be embarrassed today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:27:23 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 05:24:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 01, 2020, 05:11:10 PM
Who proposed the 3 year term for harte last time?

Don't know. I'm sure someone has that info or it's minuted somewhere. They should be embarrassed today.

If that ball cleared off the line goes over and we win by a point Harte is a tactical genius who outsmarted Donegal in Ballybofey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 01, 2020, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 05:24:49 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 01, 2020, 05:11:10 PM
Who proposed the 3 year term for harte last time?

Don't know. I'm sure someone has that info or it's minuted somewhere. They should be embarrassed today.


Clubs asked to vote for 2 years....At the Meeting the club delegates came to vote on behalf off theirs clubs, the County Committee changed and said it was 3 years....A club delegate(Brockagh i think)  said we need to bring it back to the clubs as we are voting for 2 years...  McCaughey said no they were not entitled too..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on November 01, 2020, 05:32:31 PM
Most of Tyrone scores came from poor Donegal play in 2nd half. Donegal worked their scores better. Mc curry should never been taken off
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 05:34:12 PM
It was both a red card and embarrassing behaviour by McKernan. It's the doctor and physio I feel sorry for. They both have to come on and act like they're checking for injury, concussion etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 05:39:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: GJL on November 01, 2020, 05:12:12 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 01, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
Joe brolly gave mckernan stick on twitter but mckernarns reply is hilarious in fairness

Lol. Totally roasted him.

It was glorious.

Brolly thought he was Tyrone Tribulations with his tweeting today. Backfired on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 01, 2020, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 05:34:12 PM
It was both a red card and embarrassing behaviour by McKernan. It's the doctor and physio I feel sorry for. They both have to come on and act like they're checking for injury, concussion etc.

Had McKernan just run on the linesman would in all likehood let it go and the Donegal assailant would not have got the yellow....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 01, 2020, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 05:34:12 PM
It was both a red card and embarrassing behaviour by McKernan. It's the doctor and physio I feel sorry for. They both have to come on and act like they're checking for injury, concussion etc.

Had McKernan just run on the linesman would in all likehood let it go and the Donegal assailant would not have got the yellow....

So he had to go down like he was hit by Mike Tyson? I'll say again it was embarrassing for McKernan. And people wonder why Tyrone have a reputation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 01, 2020, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 05:34:12 PM
It was both a red card and embarrassing behaviour by McKernan. It's the doctor and physio I feel sorry for. They both have to come on and act like they're checking for injury, concussion etc.

Had McKernan just run on the linesman would in all likehood let it go and the Donegal assailant would not have got the yellow....

So he had to go down like he was hit by Mike Tyson? I'll say again it was embarrassing for McKernan. And people wonder why Tyrone have a reputation.

He did go down easy but you have to make the ref referee the game. At this level you can't smack him back so in my view if someone is stupid enough to raise his hand and smack you on the head you go down and hope the ref has the balls to deal with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 01, 2020, 06:10:41 PM
McKenna was well shackled today too. Donegal were ready for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 06:12:35 PM
Its a pity Malachy O rourke took the Glen job. Could have been a decent replacement. Ah well, we'll have to make do with Banty i suppose...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 01, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
I see harte interview and him crying about MC Kenna getting man handled and no protection. Fuckin whinger.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 01, 2020, 06:10:41 PM
McKenna was well shackled today too. Donegal were ready for him.

He was but it wasn't a day for any of the big players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 01, 2020, 06:48:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 06:12:35 PM
Its a pity Malachy O rourke took the Glen job. Could have been a decent replacement. Ah well, we'll have to make do with Banty i suppose...
Get on to Fergal Logan, Canavan et al.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 01, 2020, 06:51:32 PM
It was a good game in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Better decision making at key times and discipline the difference between the sides. Donegal responded so well to the goal whereas Tyrone, when we had good spells after that, too often made the wrong call.

I've made this point on here on a few occasions the but that Tyrone team was built initially on an ultra defensive template and since it failed badly, hasn't settled on another clear and consistent shape or style. Key men like Donnelly and Harte have been moved around constantly for years rather than setting into roles that best suit them. There isn't a recognised spine to the team. The side has the talent and fitness and conditioning to beat most teams, but when they are under pressure in a tight game that lack of identity will cost them. I'm not sure Peter Harte knew what he was supposed to be doing today. Donnelly was deployed far from the areas where his talents can best be used. Such was our fear of what one of the opposition's most creative threats could do that we took away one of our biggest weapons to try and negate it. And despite that, Murphy still showed his leadership to help Donegal over the line. Donegal knew what they were doing, trusted in their style and had the confidence to go for it. Their leaders showed the way and rest followed, typified by Gallen hitting what turned out to be the winning score, a cracker from distance. In the minutes before and after that, Tyrone men in similar positions showed a lack of composure. A lack of belief. And that has been the case in these kind of games for years now. Legend that Mickey is, its so clear that a change is long overdue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 01, 2020, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 06:12:35 PM
Its a pity Malachy O rourke took the Glen job. Could have been a decent replacement. Ah well, we'll have to make do with Banty i suppose...

I would imagine we can take that then as Gospel Mickey is staying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: red hander on November 01, 2020, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 06:12:35 PM
Its a pity Malachy O rourke took the Glen job. Could have been a decent replacement. Ah well, we'll have to make do with Banty i suppose...

Job won't go to non-Tyrone man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on November 01, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Donegal's goal today was very disappointing. First of all to be caught out with that kick out. Secondly, there were enough defenders there to pull your man down or impede him some way so that it was only conceding a point rather than a goal. Thirdly I thought Morgans positioning was poor.  The forward had alot of the near post to find. Morgan almost made it easy for him. That said it was a good finish.
Someone should have dragged him down before he got anywhere near goal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 07:24:46 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 01, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Donegal's goal today was very disappointing. First of all to be caught out with that kick out. Secondly, there were enough defenders there to pull your man down or impede him some way so that it was only conceding a point rather than a goal. Thirdly I thought Morgans positioning was poor.  The forward had alot of the near post to find. Morgan almost made it easy for him. That said it was a good finish.
Someone should have dragged him down before he got anywhere near goal.

I guess black cards carrying a bigger risk these days than before.

The talent is now there in the county I feel.

We need a big overhaul in terms of the senior squad, I think there's a good case for 10/11 players being cut from the panel and 10/11 new players being added in.

With McKenna and McShane both available next year it will hopefully give us the ability to give the attacking talent we have a better platform to thrive.

It's been a weird season but Darren McCurry had a great year for Tyrone and hopefully he can keep that going next year. I thought Kennedy really showed well in the last two years. We need a proper midfield partner for him going forward. I think Michael O'Neill deserves a run at 6, he's a solid defender and he did well there today - it's a problem position for us at present.

Thompson and Langan were the winning of that game today for Donegal. Two big tall powerful men who can play in the middle third, win the dirty ball and take scores. We don't seem to have that type of scoring threat from wing forward that the other big counties have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on November 01, 2020, 07:30:44 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 01, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Donegal's goal today was very disappointing. First of all to be caught out with that kick out. Secondly, there were enough defenders there to pull your man down or impede him some way so that it was only conceding a point rather than a goal. Thirdly I thought Morgans positioning was poor.  The forward had alot of the near post to find. Morgan almost made it easy for him. That said it was a good finish.
Someone should have dragged him down before he got anywhere near goal.

That goal, the ball that was cleared off the line, the 2 frees that were brought in closer along with the bad wides from McCann and McKernan in the 2nd half meant it was definitely one that got away today.  Disappointing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 01, 2020, 07:40:51 PM
I don't know about who's up next, that's all to be debated. MH has had 2/3 chances to build a new side and failed.

It should stay in the county. I'd throw Collie Holmes name into the discussion. All Ireland winner at underage and involved in delivering Dungannon a senior championship. Although I'm not sure how much input he had into that management team.

Not Paul Devlin, I'd rule him out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 08:28:39 PM
I'd give Logan, Dooher and Canavan a go at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 01, 2020, 08:28:58 PM
Angelo this is obviously a leading question  but what are your thoughts on Kieran Mc Gearys defensive discipline today
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 01, 2020, 08:28:58 PM
Angelo this is obviously a leading question  but what are your thoughts on Kieran Mc Gearys defensive discipline today

Gave a couple of rash fouls away, made some good tackles too.

Not sure if you're referring to any of the frees being brought in but were they McGeary who mouthed off?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 01, 2020, 09:08:12 PM
When we were 3-0 up and looking like we could go 5 or 6 up,who committed a lazy tackle to give donegal a handy free. Mcgeary.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on November 02, 2020, 06:06:07 AM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on November 01, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
What a year for errigal ciaran.

Asses handed to them by dungannon who they looked down their noses at.

Now their 2nd most famous celebrity Micky the Dictator gets the proverbial managers' guillotine in the morning

Such a stupid statement whats yesterdays defeat got to do with Errigal Ciaran you clown. From what i remember it wasnt a great year for many club teams bar dungannon, edendork and kildress. And dungannon handed several teams their asses.

As for mickey yeah time is up i agree. Who do you suggest as his replacement as the fountain of all knowledge.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Million on November 02, 2020, 07:14:40 AM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on November 01, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
What a year for errigal ciaran.

Asses handed to them by dungannon who they looked down their noses at.

Now their 2nd most famous celebrity Micky the Dictator gets the proverbial managers' guillotine in the morning

Bad year for the parish. MH is devoid of new ideas, talent pool needs revamped and his loyalty to some of the panel is unfair to the hungrier players within the county that are ignored.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 02, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
All great teams have strong and consistent spines, I was trying to think over the last 5 years who would fill this void for Tyrone?

3. McNamee
6.
8.
9.
11.
14.

Is it fair to suggest that McNamee is the only player who consistently played in one of these jerseys? It is pretty mad to think that Harte has never  established someone to consistently fill at least half or 3/4s of these positions. I know the game is more fluid now but even today you couldnt say what position Harte or Donnelly play for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 5times5times on November 02, 2020, 09:53:46 AM
Has anybody checked in on McKernan? Will he recover from his vicious assault?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on November 01, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
What a year for errigal ciaran.

Asses handed to them by dungannon who they looked down their noses at.

Now their 2nd most famous celebrity Micky the Dictator gets the proverbial managers' guillotine in the morning

You need to remove your real name email from your account before you come trolling here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 02, 2020, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on November 01, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
What a year for errigal ciaran.

Asses handed to them by dungannon who they looked down their noses at.

Now their 2nd most famous celebrity Micky the Dictator gets the proverbial managers' guillotine in the morning

You need to remove your real name email from your account before you come trolling here.

Haha. Took 2 seconds to find a Facebook too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 10:29:56 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 02, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
All great teams have strong and consistent spines, I was trying to think over the last 5 years who would fill this void for Tyrone?

3. McNamee
6.
8.
9.
11.
14.

Is it fair to suggest that McNamee is the only player who consistently played in one of these jerseys? It is pretty mad to think that Harte has never  established someone to consistently fill at least half or 3/4s of these positions. I know the game is more fluid now but even today you couldnt say what position Harte or Donnelly play for Tyrone.

Going forward.

1. Morgan
3. McNamee
6.
8.
9. Kennedy
11. McKenna
14. McShane

I'd be fairly confident we have 11 and 14 established going forward.

I'd like to see Michael O'Neill being given a run at 6 going forward, he's done well in brief appearances so far. Richie Donnelly probably the best option to partner Kennedy in the middle if he can stay fit. Big year next year for Kilpatrick, hopefully we can get McNulty back on board as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on November 02, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 02, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
All great teams have strong and consistent spines, I was trying to think over the last 5 years who would fill this void for Tyrone?

3. McNamee
6.
8.
9.
11.
14.

Is it fair to suggest that McNamee is the only player who consistently played in one of these jerseys? It is pretty mad to think that Harte has never  established someone to consistently fill at least half or 3/4s of these positions. I know the game is more fluid now but even today you couldnt say what position Harte or Donnelly play for Tyrone.

Very true omagh_gael. Harte, Donnelly, McGeary, Burns, Hampsey plus others constantly moved and changed. No chance of getting a settled team with that much change.

I've no doubt that its time for Mickey to move on, what he has done for Tyrone football will be remembered forever and everyone should be very thankful to him for it. Time waits for no man though and unfortunately for him his time has come. He has been given loads of time/resources/money (some may say too much) to build another team but alas it hasn't worked out. The frustrating thing for myself is that this team has huge potential and we aren't getting the best out of them, even yesterday, that match was there for the taking and again that chance wasn't taken advantage off. Another thing I've noticed over the last few years is a worrying lack of discipline creeping in from some of our players (on a few occasions yesterday ie McGeary, McCann were guilty of mouthing to the ref and frees being moved in) no top team does that, Donnelly showed his frustration to McCann on one occasion for this. Also there was countless lazy tackles put in that resulted in cheap frees, not exactly a forte of the great Tyrone teams who were exemplary in their tackling.

Going forward who is best placed for the job? I have no doubt that McGuinness would improve this team, would he cost much more than Harte is on at the minute? I'd say doubtful. I would go for him, his attention to detail is second to none with fantastic game management. I think his style of play with Donegal was dictated by the players at his disposal, I wouldn't be surprised if his style changed if he takes over this bunch of Tyrone players.

As some have alluded too, the County board may be reluctant to go outside the county. If that's the case, front runners would be Logan, Canavan, Dooher I believe. Although inexperienced at this level, I still think that this would be an improvement, mainly due to the fact that they would bring a lot of much needed freshness. Interesting times ahead, can we rely on the Count board to make the correct decision? We will soon find out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 02, 2020, 10:34:52 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 02, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
All great teams have strong and consistent spines, I was trying to think over the last 5 years who would fill this void for Tyrone?

3. McNamee
6.
8.
9.
11.
14.

Is it fair to suggest that McNamee is the only player who consistently played in one of these jerseys? It is pretty mad to think that Harte has never  established someone to consistently fill at least half or 3/4s of these positions. I know the game is more fluid now but even today you couldnt say what position Harte or Donnelly play for Tyrone.

That's exactly the point I've been making for ages. The team has no recognised spine or consistent style and it's leaders, Donnelly and Harte have been moved around all over the place for years. These are fundamental issues, particularly when the team is under pressure. It's little wonder that their decision making invariably goes wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 11:04:59 AM
McGuinness would be a great choice, obviously. But I don't think realistic. Malachy O'Rourke would have been another but looks like he's out of the picture too.

I actually think Tyrone would go outside, if someone outstanding came along depending on the circumstances etc. It would make sense really since the nature of our club competition means nobody ever gets the chance to put together that CV that would really be needed to get the public on board inside Tyrone. Maybe an outsider is actually needed. Someone like Stephen Rochford has all the credentials and the finger on the pulse of the county game being with Donegal currently.

The current underage managers do nothing for me, would be very underwhelming. Tyrone need a lift. That also includes a Mark Harte/Gavin Devlin ticket and Peter Canavan himself - who won't get involved now the son is there anyway.

FWIW I think Harte is with Tyrone until he's had enough, which doesn't look like being anytime soon. He'll argue with McShane and McKenna next year he has the firepower for first time in a number of years to go for it. Does he deserve that chance....?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on November 02, 2020, 11:12:31 AM
Big changes ahead

1. Morgan ?
2. Brennan
3. Mcnamee
4. Rafferty
?
6. Hampsey (if fit)
?
?
?
10. Donnelly
11. ?
12.?
13. Canavan
14. McShane
15. McKenna

A lot of positions up for grabs in the middle sector of pitch . Some decent performances in there yesterday and some v poor ones. Some thinking needed for next year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on November 02, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 02, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
All great teams have strong and consistent spines, I was trying to think over the last 5 years who would fill this void for Tyrone?

3. McNamee
6.
8.
9.
11.
14.

Is it fair to suggest that McNamee is the only player who consistently played in one of these jerseys? It is pretty mad to think that Harte has never  established someone to consistently fill at least half or 3/4s of these positions. I know the game is more fluid now but even today you couldnt say what position Harte or Donnelly play for Tyrone.

Very true omagh_gael. Harte, Donnelly, McGeary, Burns, Hampsey plus others constantly moved and changed. No chance of getting a settled team with that much change.

I've no doubt that its time for Mickey to move on, what he has done for Tyrone football will be remembered forever and everyone should be very thankful to him for it. Time waits for no man though and unfortunately for him his time has come. He has been given loads of time/resources/money (some may say too much) to build another team but alas it hasn't worked out. The frustrating thing for myself is that this team has huge potential and we aren't getting the best out of them, even yesterday, that match was there for the taking and again that chance wasn't taken advantage off. Another thing I've noticed over the last few years is a worrying lack of discipline creeping in from some of our players (on a few occasions yesterday ie McGeary, McCann were guilty of mouthing to the ref and frees being moved in) no top team does that, Donnelly showed his frustration to McCann on one occasion for this. Also there was countless lazy tackles put in that resulted in cheap frees, not exactly a forte of the great Tyrone teams who were exemplary in their tackling.

Going forward who is best placed for the job? I have no doubt that McGuinness would improve this team, would he cost much more than Harte is on at the minute? I'd say doubtful. I would go for him, his attention to detail is second to none with fantastic game management. I think his style of play with Donegal was dictated by the players at his disposal, I wouldn't be surprised if his style changed if he takes over this bunch of Tyrone players.

As some have alluded too, the County board may be reluctant to go outside the county. If that's the case, front runners would be Logan, Canavan, Dooher I believe. Although inexperienced at this level, I still think that this would be an improvement, mainly due to the fact that they would bring a lot of much needed freshness. Interesting times ahead, can we rely on the Count board to make the correct decision? We will soon find out.

To be fair Michael Murphy was mouthing off at the referee all day yesterday, the difference was McQuillan was doing everything Murphy told him. I can understand the frustration of the Tyrone players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on November 02, 2020, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on November 02, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 02, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
All great teams have strong and consistent spines, I was trying to think over the last 5 years who would fill this void for Tyrone?

3. McNamee
6.
8.
9.
11.
14.

Is it fair to suggest that McNamee is the only player who consistently played in one of these jerseys? It is pretty mad to think that Harte has never  established someone to consistently fill at least half or 3/4s of these positions. I know the game is more fluid now but even today you couldnt say what position Harte or Donnelly play for Tyrone.

Very true omagh_gael. Harte, Donnelly, McGeary, Burns, Hampsey plus others constantly moved and changed. No chance of getting a settled team with that much change.

I've no doubt that its time for Mickey to move on, what he has done for Tyrone football will be remembered forever and everyone should be very thankful to him for it. Time waits for no man though and unfortunately for him his time has come. He has been given loads of time/resources/money (some may say too much) to build another team but alas it hasn't worked out. The frustrating thing for myself is that this team has huge potential and we aren't getting the best out of them, even yesterday, that match was there for the taking and again that chance wasn't taken advantage off. Another thing I've noticed over the last few years is a worrying lack of discipline creeping in from some of our players (on a few occasions yesterday ie McGeary, McCann were guilty of mouthing to the ref and frees being moved in) no top team does that, Donnelly showed his frustration to McCann on one occasion for this. Also there was countless lazy tackles put in that resulted in cheap frees, not exactly a forte of the great Tyrone teams who were exemplary in their tackling.

Going forward who is best placed for the job? I have no doubt that McGuinness would improve this team, would he cost much more than Harte is on at the minute? I'd say doubtful. I would go for him, his attention to detail is second to none with fantastic game management. I think his style of play with Donegal was dictated by the players at his disposal, I wouldn't be surprised if his style changed if he takes over this bunch of Tyrone players.

As some have alluded too, the County board may be reluctant to go outside the county. If that's the case, front runners would be Logan, Canavan, Dooher I believe. Although inexperienced at this level, I still think that this would be an improvement, mainly due to the fact that they would bring a lot of much needed freshness. Interesting times ahead, can we rely on the Count board to make the correct decision? We will soon find out.

Jim McGuinness wouldn't take Tyrone - regardless, I don't think he would be asked.

Would be hard to see Logan/Canavan/Dooher combination getting the job as they haven't managed much in the past few years. Other options within the county with experience:
Malachy O'Rourke and Ryan Porter
Paddy Tally
Collie Holmes

I'm sure there are bound to be more.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:19:34 AM
What would be the point in giving harte one or even two more years? Nothing will change and we will have wasted yet more time and more talent. It's a fuckin disgrace that we are letting mickey decide for himself when he should go. I wonder how MC curry feels this morning? Worked hard on his game, found a nice but of form, then gets taken off after looking a big threat. And 'petey' playing pure shite and stays on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 02, 2020, 11:22:43 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 02, 2020, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: 50fiftyball on November 01, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
What a year for errigal ciaran.

Asses handed to them by dungannon who they looked down their noses at.

Now their 2nd most famous celebrity Micky the Dictator gets the proverbial managers' guillotine in the morning

You need to remove your real name email from your account before you come trolling here.

Haha. Took 2 seconds to find a Facebook too.
And a deleted Twitter account after Ewan McKenna schooled him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:19:34 AM
What would be the point in giving harte one or even two more years? Nothing will change and we will have wasted yet more time and more talent. It's a fuckin disgrace that we are letting mickey decide for himself when he should go. I wonder how MC curry feels this morning? Worked hard on his game, found a nice but of form, then gets taken off after looking a big threat. And 'petey' playing pure shite and stays on.

Who would you give the job to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 02, 2020, 11:32:37 AM
I have said a few times now that changing the Manager would be unlikely to bring about a change in style. However the game has changed (forward Mark) and we now have players capable of taking advantage of that. Perhaps Mickey is capable of evolving the game plan now that he has the players but it has got to the stage where a fresh voice is needed. Maybe, as has been alluded to, Mickey does not talk to the players and it is his back room team that needs freshened up.
The Managerial sub-team of the County board should be taking a sounding from senior/ central players to find out their opinion. If they want a fresh voice go get them one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:19:34 AM
What would be the point in giving harte one or even two more years? Nothing will change and we will have wasted yet more time and more talent. It's a fuckin disgrace that we are letting mickey decide for himself when he should go. I wonder how MC curry feels this morning? Worked hard on his game, found a nice but of form, then gets taken off after looking a big threat. And 'petey' playing pure shite and stays on.

Who would you give the job to?
I think we need to put together a team of men. A good manager, good coaches, get Peter Donnelly back for s/c.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:37:45 AM
Backroom team has been changed lots already, including last year and made no difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:19:34 AM
What would be the point in giving harte one or even two more years? Nothing will change and we will have wasted yet more time and more talent. It's a fuckin disgrace that we are letting mickey decide for himself when he should go. I wonder how MC curry feels this morning? Worked hard on his game, found a nice but of form, then gets taken off after looking a big threat. And 'petey' playing pure shite and stays on.

Who would you give the job to?
I think we need to put together a team of men. A good manager, good coaches, get Peter Donnelly back for s/c.

Not exactly a resounding success in Monaghan either having being pegged back by a fitter Cavan team. I don't think fitness is an issue for Tyrone, they had many chances especially in that last ten minutes yesterday to do something with the ball. They didn't. Tyrone don't do well with chasing games, a side effect to the way the team is set up by and large.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:52:34 AM
O Rourke, MC Guinness, Rochford, canavan, Logan, dooher, Holmes,  tally, Ricey, MC gleenan. I'm sure we could put together an excellent team from that group.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on November 02, 2020, 12:13:13 PM
Jim Gavin!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 12:14:17 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 02, 2020, 12:13:13 PM
Jim Gavin!!!
forgot about Gavin! Now my mouth is watering.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 02, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
Now gavin would be a hell of a swoop. As we all know though, Tyrone don't go outside the county. Would the policy be broken if Gavin was interested?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on November 02, 2020, 12:26:34 PM
I would imagine Harte is the highest paid inter-county coach, maybe I'm wrong? If that is the case and the county board are prepared to continue paying such wages that means that everyone is within range, financially wise. The decision will come down to whether the proposed manager wants it for other reasons. What reasons would McGuinness not take the job if approached? Would it be because its a neighbouring county? Also, why would Tyrone not put the feelers out to see if he was interested, would be criminal not to.

Of course all of this discussion is hypothetical as the county board and delegates may decide to stick with Harte. A mistake in my eyes, the county is crying out for a fresh outlook albeit no success is guaranteed. Another point, in the absense of physical county board meetings this could hold up the process at a time when we could be preparing for next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 12:31:53 PM
Not sure about finances but how can anyone back up Micky is the highest paid county manager?? I'd love to see the evidence to back this up. 

I don't see the need to go outside the county for management. Our clubs do this regularly paying big money and it rarely produces the results.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on November 02, 2020, 12:35:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 12:31:53 PM
Not sure about finances but how can anyone back up Micky is the highest paid county manager?? I'd love to see the evidence to back this up. 

I don't see the need to go outside the county for management. Our clubs do this regularly paying big money and it rarely produces the results.

You'll never see the evidence of that hence it was my opinion. Who do you think would be higher paid currently?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 02, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
Fair play to Mckernan for shutting Brolly up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 02, 2020, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on November 02, 2020, 12:35:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 12:31:53 PM
Not sure about finances but how can anyone back up Micky is the highest paid county manager?? I'd love to see the evidence to back this up. 

I don't see the need to go outside the county for management. Our clubs do this regularly paying big money and it rarely produces the results.

You'll never see the evidence of that hence it was my opinion. Who do you think would be higher paid currently?

Dessie farrell.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 12:31:53 PM
Not sure about finances but how can anyone back up Micky is the highest paid county manager?? I'd love to see the evidence to back this up. 

I don't see the need to go outside the county for management. Our clubs do this regularly paying big money and it rarely produces the results.
I was up at garvaghy one evening and I followed a trail of empty brown envelopes straight to hartes house.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 12:54:09 PM
McGuinness wouldn't touch Tyrone....he would probably get more per year managing Derry City or something sure in the LOI and would keep him in the pro sports arena. He's always got the GAA to fall back on no matter what.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 12:55:47 PM
I don't know who is paid higher? That's why I wouldn't go about saying Mickey is taking a stash of cash when I don't know if he is or not.

Let's be clear Mickeys time is up. We need a new approach.

But let's not get into opinions or hearsay to tarnish the mans legacy. There is nothing on the Tyrone GAA accounts to suggest he is getting obscene expenses.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 02, 2020, 12:59:32 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 02, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
Fair play to Mckernan for shutting Brolly up.

I don't think that's the end of it. Brolly will no doubt have a few things to say in his columns over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 02, 2020, 12:59:32 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 02, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
Fair play to Mckernan for shutting Brolly up.

I don't think that's the end of it. Brolly will no doubt have a few things to say in his columns over the next few weeks.

Will he though?
Maybe he will just let sleeping dogs lie.

As for McGuinness taking over - please please no.
If we thought we were defensive now then imagine if he is in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:19:34 AM
What would be the point in giving harte one or even two more years? Nothing will change and we will have wasted yet more time and more talent. It's a fuckin disgrace that we are letting mickey decide for himself when he should go. I wonder how MC curry feels this morning? Worked hard on his game, found a nice but of form, then gets taken off after looking a big threat. And 'petey' playing pure shite and stays on.

Who would you give the job to?
I think we need to put together a team of men. A good manager, good coaches, get Peter Donnelly back for s/c.

Who though?

If you're agitating for Harte to go then there must be people in mind you have?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 01:29:18 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on November 02, 2020, 12:26:34 PM
I would imagine Harte is the highest paid inter-county coach, maybe I'm wrong? If that is the case and the county board are prepared to continue paying such wages that means that everyone is within range, financially wise. The decision will come down to whether the proposed manager wants it for other reasons. What reasons would McGuinness not take the job if approached? Would it be because its a neighbouring county? Also, why would Tyrone not put the feelers out to see if he was interested, would be criminal not to.

Of course all of this discussion is hypothetical as the county board and delegates may decide to stick with Harte. A mistake in my eyes, the county is crying out for a fresh outlook albeit no success is guaranteed. Another point, in the absense of physical county board meetings this could hold up the process at a time when we could be preparing for next year.

Not a chance Harte would be close to what James Horan is getting going by the grapevine.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 11:52:34 AM
O Rourke, MC Guinness, Rochford, canavan, Logan, dooher, Holmes,  tally, Ricey, MC gleenan. I'm sure we could put together an excellent team from that group.

O'Rourke has taken the Glen job next year?

Could we afford McGuinness. Can't see it?

Very few of the rest have the credentials for the job and most of them are associated with dour, negative game Harte has been panned for in recent years.

I'm all for a prospective change but there are very few enticing options there.

The likes of McGleenan, Ricey and Tally are hardly worth getting excited over a new era of football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 02:35:31 PM
I think we need a headline manager then the likes of Ricey, tally, MC gleenan etc as coaches.kerry have Maurice Fitzgerald coaching, mayo have Ciaran MC Donald, Dublin have Jason Sherlock. All forwards, all legends in their counties and nationally. We have Gavin Devlin. Explains alot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 02:35:31 PM
I think we need a headline manager then the likes of Ricey, tally, MC gleenan etc as coaches.kerry have Maurice Fitzgerald coaching, mayo have Ciaran MC Donald, Dublin have Jason Sherlock. All forwards, all legends in their counties and nationally. We have Gavin Devlin. Explains alot.

That's fine but who should be the next Tyrone manager?

Not some big name on a ticket. Who should be the next Tyrone manager? Malachy O'Rourke is out of contention, it's highly unlikely we'd afford a Jim McGuinness type appointment and I'd say we are unlikely to go for an outside choice in any case.

So it's a simple question, who do you think should be the next Tyrone manager? If you're agitating so much for Harte to go you must have a clear person you want in mind, not a list of guys on a ticket.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
Well you start with a list and work through who wants it, who we can afford. I'm sure o Rourke could be tempted away from glen if the price was right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
Well you start with a list and work through who wants it, who we can afford. I'm sure o Rourke could be tempted away from glen if the price was right.

Prizing club managers away if the price is right? That's some departure from your reasonings for giving Harte dogs abuse, you really are a bit of complete slimeball in the personal attacks you dish out people who give a lot to GAA in Tyrone.

If you want Harte out so much then surely you have realistic prime candidate in place? Who is it? If you can't put it up then shut your trap.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 02, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
I have asked a lot of men today if Harte resigns who replaces him?? The list is not Long between us All... We maybe thought Would Ricey/Joe McMahon working with Harte be an option....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:51:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
Well you start with a list and work through who wants it, who we can afford. I'm sure o Rourke could be tempted away from glen if the price was right.

Prizing club managers away if the price is right? That's some departure from your reasonings for giving Harte dogs abuse, you really are a bit of complete slimeball in the personal attacks you dish out people who give a lot to GAA in Tyrone.

If you want Harte out so much then surely you have realistic prime candidate in place? Who is it? If you can't put it up then shut your trap.
harte has took as much from Tyrone gaa as he has give. Right now I'd let any **** manage the team just to get rid of harte and his boring, conservative attitude and his fuckin selfish, ego driven power trip.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
Here's my starting point. Anyone with harte as a surname should get fuckin chased from garvaghy and told not to come back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 02, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
I have asked a lot of men today if Harte resigns who replaces him?? The list is not Long between us All... We maybe thought Would Ricey/Joe McMahon working with Harte be an option....

There's no standout candidate though.

Look at Harte before he got the Tyrone gig.

Multiple Ulster and All Ireland titles at minor and u21. Club Championship with Errigal, Ulster Championship with Errigal.

There's no candidate like that about now. There's a few guys basically being mentioned on a ticket but there's no standout candidate within the county. Malachy O'Rourke would have been the most obvious choice (even though he's a Fermanagh man) as he lives in Ballygawley and has a good track record behind him.

I can't see Canavan giving up his TV gig for it, he'd be mad to and he's been out of the management for too long.

There's very limited managerial experience with the 03-08 sides. Ricey is cutting his teeth with Fermanagh now but has to prove himself, Collie Holmes has had mixed results with the Tyrone underage teams and as far as I know the rest of those teams are merely just selectors in any management role they have taken on.

Logan has the AI U21 title to his name but has he had any managerial role since then? McGleenan had a horrow show with Cavan. Tally has to prove himself with Down first, he's not really done anything of note there yet for the Tyrone job. Dinky McBride had some success at underage with Monaghan but surely he'd have been ahead of Banty for that job last year if he was rated.

There hasn't really been anyone on the club scene who has significantly stood out.

So fair enough agitating for change but unless we have an upgrade then what's the point.

Ideally someone like Canavan has the aura and you can tell from his punditry that he is an astute reader of the game but I genuinely think he's not that interested in management right now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on November 02, 2020, 04:02:08 PM
not convinced that harte should get another 3 years - pretty sure though that the county secretary shouldn't be getting 50,000 a year...particularly at the current time, ridiculous that he's being paid at all.

canavan would be the logical choice for next manager, partnering logan / dooher or similar...mcgleenan maybe.

onfield problem won't be properly sorted until the county board is sorted
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:51:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
Well you start with a list and work through who wants it, who we can afford. I'm sure o Rourke could be tempted away from glen if the price was right.

Prizing club managers away if the price is right? That's some departure from your reasonings for giving Harte dogs abuse, you really are a bit of complete slimeball in the personal attacks you dish out people who give a lot to GAA in Tyrone.

If you want Harte out so much then surely you have realistic prime candidate in place? Who is it? If you can't put it up then shut your trap.
harte has took as much from Tyrone gaa as he has give. Right now I'd let any **** manage the team just to get rid of harte and his boring, conservative attitude and his fuckin selfish, ego driven power trip.

He's a Tyrone GAA great and all you do is launch nasty, personal and vindictive remarks about him. You don't even care about the fortunes of Tyrone GAA in regards your agenda against Mickey Harte. It's pathetic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stan on November 02, 2020, 04:06:42 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:51:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 02, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
Well you start with a list and work through who wants it, who we can afford. I'm sure o Rourke could be tempted away from glen if the price was right.

Prizing club managers away if the price is right? That's some departure from your reasonings for giving Harte dogs abuse, you really are a bit of complete slimeball in the personal attacks you dish out people who give a lot to GAA in Tyrone.

If you want Harte out so much then surely you have realistic prime candidate in place? Who is it? If you can't put it up then shut your trap.
harte has took as much from Tyrone gaa as he has give. Right now I'd let any **** manage the team just to get rid of harte and his boring, conservative attitude and his fuckin selfish, ego driven power trip.

looks like your problem with mh is the biggest thing going on in your life - that last post i all about your opinion...doesnt ad anything at all to the discussion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 02, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
I have asked a lot of men today if Harte resigns who replaces him?? The list is not Long between us All... We maybe thought Would Ricey/Joe McMahon working with Harte be an option....

There's no standout candidate though.

Look at Harte before he got the Tyrone gig.

Multiple Ulster and All Ireland titles at minor and u21. Club Championship with Errigal, Ulster Championship with Errigal.

There's no candidate like that about now. There's a few guys basically being mentioned on a ticket but there's no standout candidate within the county. Malachy O'Rourke would have been the most obvious choice (even though he's a Fermanagh man) as he lives in Ballygawley and has a good track record behind him.

I can't see Canavan giving up his TV gig for it, he'd be mad to and he's been out of the management for too long.

There's very limited managerial experience with the 03-08 sides. Ricey is cutting his teeth with Fermanagh now but has to prove himself, Collie Holmes has had mixed results with the Tyrone underage teams and as far as I know the rest of those teams are merely just selectors in any management role they have taken on.

Logan has the AI U21 title to his name but has he had any managerial role since then? McGleenan had a horrow show with Cavan. Tally has to prove himself with Down first, he's not really done anything of note there yet for the Tyrone job. Dinky McBride had some success at underage with Monaghan but surely he'd have been ahead of Banty for that job last year if he was rated.

There hasn't really been anyone on the club scene who has significantly stood out.

So fair enough agitating for change but unless we have an upgrade then what's the point.

Ideally someone like Canavan has the aura and you can tell from his punditry that he is an astute reader of the game but I genuinely think he's not that interested in management right now.

It's a poison chalice for him in more ways than one. Canavan knows exactly the abuse Harte gets about Peter. He didn't come down in the last shower.

Canavan's son is good, is he a certain starter? Not for me, just yet anyway. Why would you take the county job and face the exact same thing that Harte gets over Peter? That's exactly what would happen. No way Canavan touches the Tyrone job even if he's offered it, someone else will have to be the fall guy after Harte first.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 5times5times on November 02, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
Is McKernan OK? Did he get concussed? Did he make the tanning booth ok today?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 02, 2020, 04:58:27 PM
No point in discussing lads der fuhrer has already consolidated his power when he had Jordan ousted.  The remaining puppets will not get rid of him....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 02, 2020, 05:08:34 PM
Peter the pundit is different from Peter the manager.Handy remuneration for a couple of enjoyable hours watching the great game.Become manager things would be totally different.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 02, 2020, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 02, 2020, 05:33:04 PM
If the Logan/Dooher/Canavan u21 management setup are interested in the Senior job then it shouldn't even be a discussion, get them in.
100% agree they're the standout candidates. Even including Collie Holmes would make the package all the more attractive.
Could see Lee Brennan and others getting back involved with them taking over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 02, 2020, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 02, 2020, 04:58:27 PM
No point in discussing lads der fuhrer has already consolidated his power when he had Jordan ousted.  The remaining puppets will not get rid of him....

Would the O'Hagans and Herron be interested?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on November 02, 2020, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 02, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
I have asked a lot of men today if Harte resigns who replaces him?? The list is not Long between us All... We maybe thought Would Ricey/Joe McMahon working with Harte be an option....

There's no standout candidate though.

Look at Harte before he got the Tyrone gig.

Multiple Ulster and All Ireland titles at minor and u21. Club Championship with Errigal, Ulster Championship with Errigal.

There's no candidate like that about now. There's a few guys basically being mentioned on a ticket but there's no standout candidate within the county. Malachy O'Rourke would have been the most obvious choice (even though he's a Fermanagh man) as he lives in Ballygawley and has a good track record behind him.

I can't see Canavan giving up his TV gig for it, he'd be mad to and he's been out of the management for too long.

There's very limited managerial experience with the 03-08 sides. Ricey is cutting his teeth with Fermanagh now but has to prove himself, Collie Holmes has had mixed results with the Tyrone underage teams and as far as I know the rest of those teams are merely just selectors in any management role they have taken on.

Logan has the AI U21 title to his name but has he had any managerial role since then? McGleenan had a horrow show with Cavan. Tally has to prove himself with Down first, he's not really done anything of note there yet for the Tyrone job. Dinky McBride had some success at underage with Monaghan but surely he'd have been ahead of Banty for that job last year if he was rated.

There hasn't really been anyone on the club scene who has significantly stood out.

So fair enough agitating for change but unless we have an upgrade then what's the point.

Ideally someone like Canavan has the aura and you can tell from his punditry that he is an astute reader of the game but I genuinely think he's not that interested in management right now.

It's a poison chalice for him in more ways than one. Canavan knows exactly the abuse Harte gets about Peter. He didn't come down in the last shower.

Canavan's son is good, is he a certain starter? Not for me, just yet anyway. Why would you take the county job and face the exact same thing that Harte gets over Peter? That's exactly what would happen. No way Canavan touches the Tyrone job even if he's offered it, someone else will have to be the fall guy after Harte first.

I'd agree with that, therefore I think Logan/Dooher/Holmes could be the trio to make it work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 02, 2020, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 02, 2020, 04:58:27 PM
No point in discussing lads der fuhrer has already consolidated his power when he had Jordan ousted.  The remaining puppets will not get rid of him....

Would the O'Hagans and Herron be interested?

They are out of work until the cub doesn't like the next manager  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 02, 2020, 09:24:53 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 02, 2020, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 02, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
I have asked a lot of men today if Harte resigns who replaces him?? The list is not Long between us All... We maybe thought Would Ricey/Joe McMahon working with Harte be an option....

There's no standout candidate though.

Look at Harte before he got the Tyrone gig.

Multiple Ulster and All Ireland titles at minor and u21. Club Championship with Errigal, Ulster Championship with Errigal.

There's no candidate like that about now. There's a few guys basically being mentioned on a ticket but there's no standout candidate within the county. Malachy O'Rourke would have been the most obvious choice (even though he's a Fermanagh man) as he lives in Ballygawley and has a good track record behind him.

I can't see Canavan giving up his TV gig for it, he'd be mad to and he's been out of the management for too long.

There's very limited managerial experience with the 03-08 sides. Ricey is cutting his teeth with Fermanagh now but has to prove himself, Collie Holmes has had mixed results with the Tyrone underage teams and as far as I know the rest of those teams are merely just selectors in any management role they have taken on.

Logan has the AI U21 title to his name but has he had any managerial role since then? McGleenan had a horrow show with Cavan. Tally has to prove himself with Down first, he's not really done anything of note there yet for the Tyrone job. Dinky McBride had some success at underage with Monaghan but surely he'd have been ahead of Banty for that job last year if he was rated.

There hasn't really been anyone on the club scene who has significantly stood out.

So fair enough agitating for change but unless we have an upgrade then what's the point.

Ideally someone like Canavan has the aura and you can tell from his punditry that he is an astute reader of the game but I genuinely think he's not that interested in management right now.

It's a poison chalice for him in more ways than one. Canavan knows exactly the abuse Harte gets about Peter. He didn't come down in the last shower.

Canavan's son is good, is he a certain starter? Not for me, just yet anyway. Why would you take the county job and face the exact same thing that Harte gets over Peter? That's exactly what would happen. No way Canavan touches the Tyrone job even if he's offered it, someone else will have to be the fall guy after Harte first.

I'd agree with that, therefore I think Logan/Dooher/Holmes could be the trio to make it work.

I've heard from a really good source that someone has been sounded out to see if they're interested. I'm not sure if it was a just in case Harte steps down but they've indicated an interest. Someone inside the county and a name that several posters have mentioned. It might come to nothing if Harte demands to stay on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 02, 2020, 09:29:03 PM
Go away lenny you clown
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 02, 2020, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 02, 2020, 09:24:53 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 02, 2020, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 04:11:50 PM
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Quote from: bigtogs on November 02, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
I have asked a lot of men today if Harte resigns who replaces him?? The list is not Long between us All... We maybe thought Would Ricey/Joe McMahon working with Harte be an option....

There's no standout candidate though.

Look at Harte before he got the Tyrone gig.

Multiple Ulster and All Ireland titles at minor and u21. Club Championship with Errigal, Ulster Championship with Errigal.

There's no candidate like that about now. There's a few guys basically being mentioned on a ticket but there's no standout candidate within the county. Malachy O'Rourke would have been the most obvious choice (even though he's a Fermanagh man) as he lives in Ballygawley and has a good track record behind him.

I can't see Canavan giving up his TV gig for it, he'd be mad to and he's been out of the management for too long.

There's very limited managerial experience with the 03-08 sides. Ricey is cutting his teeth with Fermanagh now but has to prove himself, Collie Holmes has had mixed results with the Tyrone underage teams and as far as I know the rest of those teams are merely just selectors in any management role they have taken on.

Logan has the AI U21 title to his name but has he had any managerial role since then? McGleenan had a horrow show with Cavan. Tally has to prove himself with Down first, he's not really done anything of note there yet for the Tyrone job. Dinky McBride had some success at underage with Monaghan but surely he'd have been ahead of Banty for that job last year if he was rated.

There hasn't really been anyone on the club scene who has significantly stood out.

So fair enough agitating for change but unless we have an upgrade then what's the point.

Ideally someone like Canavan has the aura and you can tell from his punditry that he is an astute reader of the game but I genuinely think he's not that interested in management right now.

It's a poison chalice for him in more ways than one. Canavan knows exactly the abuse Harte gets about Peter. He didn't come down in the last shower.

Canavan's son is good, is he a certain starter? Not for me, just yet anyway. Why would you take the county job and face the exact same thing that Harte gets over Peter? That's exactly what would happen. No way Canavan touches the Tyrone job even if he's offered it, someone else will have to be the fall guy after Harte first.

I'd agree with that, therefore I think Logan/Dooher/Holmes could be the trio to make it work.

I've heard from a really good source that someone has been sounded out to see if they're interested. I'm not sure if it was a just in case Harte steps down but they've indicated an interest. Someone inside the county and a name that several posters have mentioned. It might come to nothing if Harte demands to stay on.

Nobody is going to fall for this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on November 02, 2020, 09:51:45 PM
Some man mentioned earlier could we pay the big money, I've news for ye we certainly have the money for whoever is needed, Jonny Davis wages would pay for some manager @£500 per day
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 02, 2020, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 02, 2020, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 02, 2020, 09:24:53 PM
Quote from: clarshack on November 02, 2020, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 02, 2020, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 02, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
I have asked a lot of men today if Harte resigns who replaces him?? The list is not Long between us All... We maybe thought Would Ricey/Joe McMahon working with Harte be an option....

There's no standout candidate though.

Look at Harte before he got the Tyrone gig.

Multiple Ulster and All Ireland titles at minor and u21. Club Championship with Errigal, Ulster Championship with Errigal.

There's no candidate like that about now. There's a few guys basically being mentioned on a ticket but there's no standout candidate within the county. Malachy O'Rourke would have been the most obvious choice (even though he's a Fermanagh man) as he lives in Ballygawley and has a good track record behind him.

I can't see Canavan giving up his TV gig for it, he'd be mad to and he's been out of the management for too long.

There's very limited managerial experience with the 03-08 sides. Ricey is cutting his teeth with Fermanagh now but has to prove himself, Collie Holmes has had mixed results with the Tyrone underage teams and as far as I know the rest of those teams are merely just selectors in any management role they have taken on.

Logan has the AI U21 title to his name but has he had any managerial role since then? McGleenan had a horrow show with Cavan. Tally has to prove himself with Down first, he's not really done anything of note there yet for the Tyrone job. Dinky McBride had some success at underage with Monaghan but surely he'd have been ahead of Banty for that job last year if he was rated.

There hasn't really been anyone on the club scene who has significantly stood out.

So fair enough agitating for change but unless we have an upgrade then what's the point.

Ideally someone like Canavan has the aura and you can tell from his punditry that he is an astute reader of the game but I genuinely think he's not that interested in management right now.

It's a poison chalice for him in more ways than one. Canavan knows exactly the abuse Harte gets about Peter. He didn't come down in the last shower.

Canavan's son is good, is he a certain starter? Not for me, just yet anyway. Why would you take the county job and face the exact same thing that Harte gets over Peter? That's exactly what would happen. No way Canavan touches the Tyrone job even if he's offered it, someone else will have to be the fall guy after Harte first.

I'd agree with that, therefore I think Logan/Dooher/Holmes could be the trio to make it work.

I've heard from a really good source that someone has been sounded out to see if they're interested. I'm not sure if it was a just in case Harte steps down but they've indicated an interest. Someone inside the county and a name that several posters have mentioned. It might come to nothing if Harte demands to stay on.

Nobody is going to fall for this.

It's 100% true that I heard this and 100% true that it's from a good source. It may be that I was being fed a line ie a bit of a wind up. I was told about it last weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 02, 2020, 10:09:39 PM
More Derry voyeurs about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 10:37:44 PM
I'm not convinced by Fearghal Logan.

If he's the chosen manager then he will have my full support. He doesn't come across as someone that could fire up a team. I always thought he was a bit soft or lacked passion. It's a weak reason not to consider him but just my 1st impression of the man.

He is obviously knowledgeable and has an underage all Ireland on the CV.

Collie Holmes / Ricey would be my management team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 02, 2020, 11:09:13 PM
I don't think Damian O'Hagan is a bad shout as part of a potential management team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on November 02, 2020, 11:39:47 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 10:37:44 PM
I'm not convinced by Fearghal Logan.

If he's the chosen manager then he will have my full support. He doesn't come across as someone that could fire up a team. I always thought he was a bit soft or lacked passion. It's a weak reason not to consider him but just my 1st impression of the man.

He is obviously knowledgeable and has an underage all Ireland on the CV.

Collie Holmes / Ricey would be my management team.

not convinced by Logan either, and let's be honest that U-21 side came through a tricky ulster championship but won the AI without beating Dublin, kerry, cork, galway, mayo, kildare or  meath. Whilst they could only beat what was in front of them, and an underage title was badly needed it was like a div 2 AI (roscommon and tip) and none of the squad have beaten any of the big guns in championship (i stand to be corrected in this) from minors, and that trend has followed, however I'd give harte 1 more shot with the hope of a fit mcshane & hampsey along with what's there already and that team would not be far away
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 11:57:25 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on November 02, 2020, 11:39:47 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 02, 2020, 10:37:44 PM
I'm not convinced by Fearghal Logan.

If he's the chosen manager then he will have my full support. He doesn't come across as someone that could fire up a team. I always thought he was a bit soft or lacked passion. It's a weak reason not to consider him but just my 1st impression of the man.

He is obviously knowledgeable and has an underage all Ireland on the CV.

Collie Holmes / Ricey would be my management team.

not convinced by Logan either, and let's be honest that U-21 side came through a tricky ulster championship but won the AI without beating Dublin, kerry, cork, galway, mayo, kildare or  meath. Whilst they could only beat what was in front of them, and an underage title was badly needed it was like a div 2 AI (roscommon and tip) and none of the squad have beaten any of the big guns in championship (i stand to be corrected in this) from minors, and that trend has followed, however I'd give harte 1 more shot with the hope of a fit mcshane & hampsey along with what's there already and that team would not be far away

Harte has used up all his chances. Time for change
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 12:45:59 AM
Honestly have to laugh at some of the comments on here.

First thing I'd like to ask is can someone provide the evidence showing harte's huge salary being paid by Tyrone gaa? Harte is not paid a salary by Tyrone.

Secondly, for those saying he has to go, what are your expectations over the next 5 years? Is it that we actually win 1 or 2 all Ireland's or is it that you're just fed up and want a change for change sake?

Over the next 5 years, the new manager to IMPROVE on what we have achieved over the past 5 years (excluding 2020) would have to at a MINIMUM: retain Division 1 status every year, win 3 ulster titles, reach the AI Semi Final EVERY year, get to AT LEAST 2 AI finals and WIN at least 1 AI title.

Now to be clear, I'm not saying that the above isn't achievable and who knows maybe it is the right time for a change but the way Harte's name gets dragged about on this forum is a disgrace. Reading some of the comments on here you'd think Tyrone's summers had ended in June for the past 10 years. When Harte goes it might then be appreciated how good a job he has done to keep Tyrone continually operating at the top level.

I've read some other managers names thrown about here as well such as McGleenan etc. Like on what basis are some of these names getting mentioned? I understand the Logan and Canavan shouts as they have done it with the U21s and know a lot of these players. Also don't mind the Malachy O'rourke shout but then again did Malachy ever get the better of Harte when it really counted? Harte came out on top in both 2015 and 2018 when it really really counted.

As I've said before, it might well be the time for a change but I wouldn't necessarily be banking on it resulting in a positive outcome. Also have to consider that since Tyrone last won Sam, we've been living through a spell involving a team which has been touted as one of the best of all time resulting in only Kerry (x2) Cork (x1) and Donegal (x1) winning the big prize outside of Dublin. And to be frank about it, I'm not sure since 2008, we have had a squad of players that has been really good enough to get it done at the very very highest level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on November 03, 2020, 01:16:15 AM
What you also have to laugh at are the people who have bemoaned Tyrone's defensive style of play yet are the same ones mentioning Jim mcguinness as the next manager. Absolute morons of the highest order ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2020, 08:10:18 AM
Quote from: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 12:45:59 AM
Honestly have to laugh at some of the comments on here.

First thing I'd like to ask is can someone provide the evidence showing harte's huge salary being paid by Tyrone gaa? Harte is not paid a salary by Tyrone.

Secondly, for those saying he has to go, what are your expectations over the next 5 years? Is it that we actually win 1 or 2 all Ireland's or is it that you're just fed up and want a change for change sake?

Over the next 5 years, the new manager to IMPROVE on what we have achieved over the past 5 years (excluding 2020) would have to at a MINIMUM: retain Division 1 status every year, win 3 ulster titles, reach the AI Semi Final EVERY year, get to AT LEAST 2 AI finals and WIN at least 1 AI title.

Now to be clear, I'm not saying that the above isn't achievable and who knows maybe it is the right time for a change but the way Harte's name gets dragged about on this forum is a disgrace. Reading some of the comments on here you'd think Tyrone's summers had ended in June for the past 10 years. When Harte goes it might then be appreciated how good a job he has done to keep Tyrone continually operating at the top level.

I've read some other managers names thrown about here as well such as McGleenan etc. Like on what basis are some of these names getting mentioned? I understand the Logan and Canavan shouts as they have done it with the U21s and know a lot of these players. Also don't mind the Malachy O'rourke shout but then again did Malachy ever get the better of Harte when it really counted? Harte came out on top in both 2015 and 2018 when it really really counted.

As I've said before, it might well be the time for a change but I wouldn't necessarily be banking on it resulting in a positive outcome. Also have to consider that since Tyrone last won Sam, we've been living through a spell involving a team which has been touted as one of the best of all time resulting in only Kerry (x2) Cork (x1) and Donegal (x1) winning the big prize outside of Dublin. And to be frank about it, I'm not sure since 2008, we have had a squad of players that has been really good enough to get it done at the very very highest level.

Agree with all this. It seems as if lots of people want change for the sake of it and it could well lead to Harte being removed and replaced by an inferior manager. It's very premiership soccer like the way a section of Tyrone people go on about Harte - you can imagine them doing a #harteout on twitter after a game.

I think Harte's biggest problem is the fact he's been there so long he's annoyed a lot of club people along the way by not picking their players (and 95% of the time he's probably made the right calls). The current flavour of the month is not picking any Dungannon men. Dungannon won the championship with a good all round team and have a few players that could well push on to the county squad over the next year or two. But I don't think there was anyone good enough that was going to walk into the county panel and make a massive difference with 6 weeks county training behind them this season.

Paudie McNulty's name gets brought up but is he really an improvement on what's there? He's a decent club player who might not be far of squad level (which he obviously doesn't want to be) but to make out he'd have made the difference in that Donegal game is a bit of a stretch. His strongest asset is running with the ball and this is  very difficult against strong physical defences at county level. I'd have said Mallon was probably a better ball winner around the middle for Dungannon than him in the big championship games.

I think next year we have potentially our strongest forward line since 08 and given Harte has kept us as a top 5 team with a weaker group of players he probably does deserve another go. You could see last year how he was flexible and change tactics with a much criticised McShane becoming one of the top forwards in the country. I'm sure with McKenna and Canavan available he'll mix it up again.

Another criticism of him on here in recent days was that he hasn't had a consistent spine of the team in recent years. I'm not sure how accurate this is. This year was different due to a number of factors including injuries and late retirements. But last year for example you knew McNamee was 3, Hampsey was 6, Colm Cavanagh in middle, Sludden at 11 and McShane at 14.

If he is to go I'm really not sure who steps in. Fergal Logan would be a massive gamble. He did along with a large management team won an u21 all ireland. Though from memory there was two very poor campaigns either side of that and he hasn't a strong record at management level other than that. Collie Holmes should be given a go at u20 level, not thrown into senior management as an experiment. He's a decent record at underage though the only All Ireland came at u17 level in the year most big counties were still focusing on u18s. He struggled with Eglish though has been involved in a great story with Dungannon - who knows how much say or what his role was there. Other than that any other internal candidate would be a huge gamble.

The only criticism of Harte I would have on Sunday was leaving Harte on ahead of McCurry. Now for all we know McCurry was carrying a knock and he had lost a few balls that went into him in the second half but on the face of it was a strange call. Other than that the team picked wasn't far away given the players available and they competed with one of the top teams in Ireland in a notoriously difficult ground to go to. It was a game lost on fine margins but you'd think on here we were beat out the gate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 03, 2020, 11:05:47 AM
MH puts the football out of footballers, makes them atheletes.
The majority of substitutions v Donegal were wrong, simple as.
Learning to tackle and mark yer man should be on a laminated sheet at Garvaghey
My dream management team; C Holmes, Stevie O'Neill, B Dooher
Canavan shouldn't manage the son
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 03, 2020, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 03, 2020, 01:16:15 AM
What you also have to laugh at are the people who have bemoaned Tyrone's defensive style of play yet are the same ones mentioning Jim mcguinness as the next manager. Absolute morons of the highest order ;D ;D ;D

Donegal the year they won the AI were the best attacking team in the Country. McGuiness being defensive was a bit of a lazy one, in his first year absolutely, never after that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 03, 2020, 11:05:47 AM
MH puts the football out of footballers, makes them atheletes.
The majority of substitutions v Donegal were wrong, simple as.
Learning to tackle and mark yer man should be on a laminated sheet at Garvaghey
My dream management team; C Holmes, Stevie O'Neill, B Dooher
Canavan shouldn't manage the son

How many players on the Dublin team (who everyone is aspiring to beat) would you say aren't athletes? You'll go nowhere in the current game without an extremely athletic team prepared to work. In recent years remember Paul Mannion tackling back and putting in great challenges v Tyrone.

You could certainly argue that Harte tries to improve the all round game of his players. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 03, 2020, 12:16:04 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 03, 2020, 11:05:47 AM
MH puts the football out of footballers, makes them atheletes.
The majority of substitutions v Donegal were wrong, simple as.
Learning to tackle and mark yer man should be on a laminated sheet at Garvaghey
My dream management team; C Holmes, Stevie O'Neill, B Dooher
Canavan shouldn't manage the son

How many players on the Dublin team (who everyone is aspiring to beat) would you say aren't athletes? You'll go nowhere in the current game without an extremely athletic team prepared to work. In recent years remember Paul Mannion tackling back and putting in great challenges v Tyrone.

You could certainly argue that Harte tries to improve the all round game of his players.
Honestly,  the Dub set-up is as close to professionalism as yer gonna get.  We can't financially do that so we should use our natural abiltiy, imho.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 12:45:59 AM
Honestly have to laugh at some of the comments on here.

First thing I'd like to ask is can someone provide the evidence showing harte's huge salary being paid by Tyrone gaa? Harte is not paid a salary by Tyrone.

Secondly, for those saying he has to go, what are your expectations over the next 5 years? Is it that we actually win 1 or 2 all Ireland's or is it that you're just fed up and want a change for change sake?

Over the next 5 years, the new manager to IMPROVE on what we have achieved over the past 5 years (excluding 2020) would have to at a MINIMUM: retain Division 1 status every year, win 3 ulster titles, reach the AI Semi Final EVERY year, get to AT LEAST 2 AI finals and WIN at least 1 AI title.

Now to be clear, I'm not saying that the above isn't achievable and who knows maybe it is the right time for a change but the way Harte's name gets dragged about on this forum is a disgrace. Reading some of the comments on here you'd think Tyrone's summers had ended in June for the past 10 years. When Harte goes it might then be appreciated how good a job he has done to keep Tyrone continually operating at the top level.

I've read some other managers names thrown about here as well such as McGleenan etc. Like on what basis are some of these names getting mentioned? I understand the Logan and Canavan shouts as they have done it with the U21s and know a lot of these players. Also don't mind the Malachy O'rourke shout but then again did Malachy ever get the better of Harte when it really counted? Harte came out on top in both 2015 and 2018 when it really really counted.

As I've said before, it might well be the time for a change but I wouldn't necessarily be banking on it resulting in a positive outcome. Also have to consider that since Tyrone last won Sam, we've been living through a spell involving a team which has been touted as one of the best of all time resulting in only Kerry (x2) Cork (x1) and Donegal (x1) winning the big prize outside of Dublin. And to be frank about it, I'm not sure since 2008, we have had a squad of players that has been really good enough to get it done at the very very highest level.

This is on the money.

I've no problem with us replacing Harte if there's a better man out there but there is no standout candidate.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 03, 2020, 12:26:05 PM
Harte will get a one year extension I think, with the year that its been, a six month county break and reduced time with players etc it can be strongly argued he deserves another year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 12:28:04 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 03, 2020, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2020, 08:10:18 AM
Quote from: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 12:45:59 AM
Honestly have to laugh at some of the comments on here.

First thing I'd like to ask is can someone provide the evidence showing harte's huge salary being paid by Tyrone gaa? Harte is not paid a salary by Tyrone.

Secondly, for those saying he has to go, what are your expectations over the next 5 years? Is it that we actually win 1 or 2 all Ireland's or is it that you're just fed up and want a change for change sake?

Over the next 5 years, the new manager to IMPROVE on what we have achieved over the past 5 years (excluding 2020) would have to at a MINIMUM: retain Division 1 status every year, win 3 ulster titles, reach the AI Semi Final EVERY year, get to AT LEAST 2 AI finals and WIN at least 1 AI title.

Now to be clear, I'm not saying that the above isn't achievable and who knows maybe it is the right time for a change but the way Harte's name gets dragged about on this forum is a disgrace. Reading some of the comments on here you'd think Tyrone's summers had ended in June for the past 10 years. When Harte goes it might then be appreciated how good a job he has done to keep Tyrone continually operating at the top level.

I've read some other managers names thrown about here as well such as McGleenan etc. Like on what basis are some of these names getting mentioned? I understand the Logan and Canavan shouts as they have done it with the U21s and know a lot of these players. Also don't mind the Malachy O'rourke shout but then again did Malachy ever get the better of Harte when it really counted? Harte came out on top in both 2015 and 2018 when it really really counted.

As I've said before, it might well be the time for a change but I wouldn't necessarily be banking on it resulting in a positive outcome. Also have to consider that since Tyrone last won Sam, we've been living through a spell involving a team which has been touted as one of the best of all time resulting in only Kerry (x2) Cork (x1) and Donegal (x1) winning the big prize outside of Dublin. And to be frank about it, I'm not sure since 2008, we have had a squad of players that has been really good enough to get it done at the very very highest level.

Agree with all this. It seems as if lots of people want change for the sake of it and it could well lead to Harte being removed and replaced by an inferior manager. It's very premiership soccer like the way a section of Tyrone people go on about Harte - you can imagine them doing a #harteout on twitter after a game.

I think Harte's biggest problem is the fact he's been there so long he's annoyed a lot of club people along the way by not picking their players (and 95% of the time he's probably made the right calls). The current flavour of the month is not picking any Dungannon men. Dungannon won the championship with a good all round team and have a few players that could well push on to the county squad over the next year or two. But I don't think there was anyone good enough that was going to walk into the county panel and make a massive difference with 6 weeks county training behind them this season.

Paudie McNulty's name gets brought up but is he really an improvement on what's there? He's a decent club player who might not be far of squad level (which he obviously doesn't want to be) but to make out he'd have made the difference in that Donegal game is a bit of a stretch. His strongest asset is running with the ball and this is  very difficult against strong physical defences at county level. I'd have said Mallon was probably a better ball winner around the middle for Dungannon than him in the big championship games.

I think next year we have potentially our strongest forward line since 08 and given Harte has kept us as a top 5 team with a weaker group of players he probably does deserve another go. You could see last year how he was flexible and change tactics with a much criticised McShane becoming one of the top forwards in the country. I'm sure with McKenna and Canavan available he'll mix it up again.

Another criticism of him on here in recent days was that he hasn't had a consistent spine of the team in recent years. I'm not sure how accurate this is. This year was different due to a number of factors including injuries and late retirements. But last year for example you knew McNamee was 3, Hampsey was 6, Colm Cavanagh in middle, Sludden at 11 and McShane at 14.

If he is to go I'm really not sure who steps in. Fergal Logan would be a massive gamble. He did along with a large management team won an u21 all ireland. Though from memory there was two very poor campaigns either side of that and he hasn't a strong record at management level other than that. Collie Holmes should be given a go at u20 level, not thrown into senior management as an experiment. He's a decent record at underage though the only All Ireland came at u17 level in the year most big counties were still focusing on u18s. He struggled with Eglish though has been involved in a great story with Dungannon - who knows how much say or what his role was there. Other than that any other internal candidate would be a huge gamble.

The only criticism of Harte I would have on Sunday was leaving Harte on ahead of McCurry. Now for all we know McCurry was carrying a knock and he had lost a few balls that went into him in the second half but on the face of it was a strange call. Other than that the team picked wasn't far away given the players available and they competed with one of the top teams in Ireland in a notoriously difficult ground to go to. It was a game lost on fine margins but you'd think on here we were beat out the gate.

It's a cop out to say you can't replace Harte now because be may be "replaced by an inferior manager". That will still be true next year, in three years or whenever Mickey decides to drive down the hill at Garvaghey into the sunset. The only difference will be that Matty and Petey will be as old or older than Canavan and Lawn when Harte took over or they'll be retired by the time someone else gets a chance. Compare where we are against Donegal since the Super 8s game in Ballybofey. They've brought in Rochford and are better coached. They've clearly developed a number of their younger players and they've beaten us twice in the championship. Are we doing anything differently? Is anyone other than McShane performing any better than they were in 2018? Burns? Meyler? McGeary? Brennan? Bradley? Hampsey? None of them have moved up like a level like Langan, Thompson, McMenamin and McGee have. We've replaced Stevie O'Neill as a coach with a man renowned for coaching defensive football and who managed a side that lost a county final 0-5 to 0-4?
If the players are enthusiastic about giving Harte another go and the county board put some kind of succession plan in place with possible replacements in the backroom team then so be it. Otherwise it's time to rip off the plaster.

The succession plan is a good point.

If we have in mind a team to take over from Harte then it should be put in place now, probably at u20 level. I think Paul Devlin did a fairly poor job with a very talented group in the last two years. We had the attacking talent to beat both Cork and Dublin there but tactically were outfoxed.

The talent in the county is there and I've no problem with Harte going, I don't really think he has underachieved the past few years, we've established ourselves as one of the top 5 teams, we haven't been that far away but maybe things are going stale and we need a new voice.

The issue is the names being thrown about are either not realistic or not in anyway appeasing.

I'd be happy to give the U21 management team from 2015 a go but I don't think Canavan would be interested and he's the big name there.

Other than that I can't see the better candidates. Our only AI title since 2015 was an U17 title which was basically a B competition that year as it was running in conjunction with a minor competition. I think we've had talent good enough to do much better at underage in recent years but have underachieved.

Very few of the 03-08 squad have done it in management yet and most seem to be suggesting a dream team of lads to come in with no managerial experience and do it.

And if one more person credibly suggests Mattie McGleenan as an improvement on Harte........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 12:46:46 PM
The squad for next year should see a fairly comprehensive overhaul though whoever is manager. I think part of the reason I'd like to see a fresh voice in is for that purpose.

These are the players I think should be around for next year:

GK:
Morgan
Gallen

Defenders:
Brennan
McNamee
Rafferty
McCann
Hampsey
Cassidy
M O'Neill
McKernan
K McGeary
F Burns
HP McGeary
Kelly
Grimes
Quinn
Murnaghan

Midfield:
Kennedy
R Donnelly
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry
Bradley
Canavan
McShane
Meyler
Sludden


That's about 28 players so you have the potential to add 10 or so new faces in there. I think in terms of defensive talent in the country we probably have more or less the best available to us on the panel at present, possibly a few new additions if some of those guys aren't available or moved on.

In terms of midfield, we're now short, it's an area we need to improve on. I'd defintitely hop we can get McNulty back in there and I also like Nugent from Galbally and think he could be given a go during the McKenna Cup.

With the attackers, there is loads of talent not available for whatever reason this year. It's time to give new some new blood a go here, plenty of talent on the u20 squad this year. The likes of McAliskey and Brennan should be tried to commit again, Donaghy should be a certain call up and a few others too. You look at us playing guys like Meyler, McGeary and Burns as wing forwards  - they don't score enough and when you contrast with teams like Mayo, Donegal and Kerry who get big scoring returns from these areas it's something we really need to improve on but looking at the club scene - we don't really seem to have too many natural scoring half forwards do we?

Donnelly plays best when he is given a free role in the middle of the pitch and I think Harte is probably best utilised as a ball winning inside forward from now on.

Hopefully for whoever is in charge going forward, a fully fit squad will allow the likes of McKenna, Harte, Donnelly, McShane and one of Canavan/Bradley/McCurry etc to operate in that final third of the pitch. The bottom line is when you're against the big sides you are probably going to need a dog in there like Meyler or McGeary to take an opposition player out of the game - a lot of the other counties play with one but that's not to say that we don't need a much bigger return from whoever is chosen to do that job at the other end of the pitch. Meyler and McGeary really need to start contributing on the scoreboard if they are to justify their selection.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 03, 2020, 02:41:50 PM
I would agree that Harte will prob ask for (and get) a 1-2 year extension to have a crack at things with McKenna, Canavan, McShane all playing together.

And if he gets that opprtunity and doesn't make progress......fair time to give someone else a chance.

The issue is not that he doesn't get results, it's that he invariably seems to come up short v Mayo/Kerry/Dublin when it matters.

So progress = beating one of them in a semi final / final

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The_Slug on November 03, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 12:46:46 PM
The squad for next year should see a fairly comprehensive overhaul though whoever is manager. I think part of the reason I'd like to see a fresh voice in is for that purpose.

These are the players I think should be around for next year:

GK:
Morgan
Gallen

Defenders:
Brennan
McNamee
Rafferty
McCann
Hampsey
Cassidy
M O'Neill
McKernan
K McGeary
F Burns
HP McGeary
Kelly
Grimes
Quinn
Murnaghan

Midfield:
Kennedy
R Donnelly
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry
Bradley
Canavan
McShane
Meyler
Sludden


That's about 28 players so you have the potential to add 10 or so new faces in there. I think in terms of defensive talent in the country we probably have more or less the best available to us on the panel at present, possibly a few new additions if some of those guys aren't available or moved on.

In terms of midfield, we're now short, it's an area we need to improve on. I'd defintitely hop we can get McNulty back in there and I also like Nugent from Galbally and think he could be given a go during the McKenna Cup.

With the attackers, there is loads of talent not available for whatever reason this year. It's time to give new some new blood a go here, plenty of talent on the u20 squad this year. The likes of McAliskey and Brennan should be tried to commit again, Donaghy should be a certain call up and a few others too. You look at us playing guys like Meyler, McGeary and Burns as wing forwards  - they don't score enough and when you contrast with teams like Mayo, Donegal and Kerry who get big scoring returns from these areas it's something we really need to improve on but looking at the club scene - we don't really seem to have too many natural scoring half forwards do we?

Donnelly plays best when he is given a free role in the middle of the pitch and I think Harte is probably best utilised as a ball winning inside forward from now on.

Hopefully for whoever is in charge going forward, a fully fit squad will allow the likes of McKenna, Harte, Donnelly, McShane and one of Canavan/Bradley/McCurry etc to operate in that final third of the pitch. The bottom line is when you're against the big sides you are probably going to need a dog in there like Meyler or McGeary to take an opposition player out of the game - a lot of the other counties play with one but that's not to say that we don't need a much bigger return from whoever is chosen to do that job at the other end of the pitch. Meyler and McGeary really need to start contributing on the scoreboard if they are to justify their selection.

I think Donaghy will be worth a call up but it will take him two or three years to develop and play at the highest level against the likes of dubs/kerry/mayo etc. People saying he should have been on the team for the donegal game is madness in my view, massive difference between scoring from play in a club game and a county game, and i can't see him being given the free kick duties, so his scoring capacity will be massively reduced. However, with that said, give the lad two years of development with the squad and he could/will become a great outlet.

I think the list included is fair but I would include Kerr from Galbally as a player to retain, he's intelligent, skillful and accurate. I'm not too sure why he isn't closer to the starting team but obviously there is a reason for it, would definitely have him on ahead of Mulgrew anyway.

I think the players that deserve a Mckenna Cup campaign are Donaghy (Dungannon), Teague (Dromore), Mallon (Dungannon), Quinn (Coalisland), Kilpatrick (Pomeroy), Leonard (Coalisland), Herron (Coalisland), Sheilds (Clogher) and then Breenan and McAliskey to return. Just an opinion and im sure ive forgotten a few

I would love to see the team cleared and everyone having to trial again and see what panel they end up with. This would obviously never happen but it would certainly be interesting as Harte is renowned for not dropping players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on November 03, 2020, 03:08:07 PM
I think that with the year that was
6 months no football, straight knock out in Ballybofey, kept us in Div 1
He is probably entitled to at least one more year in charge if he wants it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 03, 2020, 05:33:31 PM
Donaghey turned down an invitation from harte after club championships, hopefully he's more ready at the start of next year to give it a go.

Enda Kilpatrick son is very good player and could be a bit of dark horse. Presumably he's u20 next year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 03, 2020, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on November 03, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 12:46:46 PM
The squad for next year should see a fairly comprehensive overhaul though whoever is manager. I think part of the reason I'd like to see a fresh voice in is for that purpose.

These are the players I think should be around for next year:

GK:
Morgan
Gallen

Defenders:
Brennan
McNamee
Rafferty
McCann
Hampsey
Cassidy
M O'Neill
McKernan
K McGeary
F Burns
HP McGeary
Kelly
Grimes
Quinn
Murnaghan

Midfield:
Kennedy
R Donnelly
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry
Bradley
Canavan
McShane
Meyler
Sludden


That's about 28 players so you have the potential to add 10 or so new faces in there. I think in terms of defensive talent in the country we probably have more or less the best available to us on the panel at present, possibly a few new additions if some of those guys aren't available or moved on.

In terms of midfield, we're now short, it's an area we need to improve on. I'd defintitely hop we can get McNulty back in there and I also like Nugent from Galbally and think he could be given a go during the McKenna Cup.

With the attackers, there is loads of talent not available for whatever reason this year. It's time to give new some new blood a go here, plenty of talent on the u20 squad this year. The likes of McAliskey and Brennan should be tried to commit again, Donaghy should be a certain call up and a few others too. You look at us playing guys like Meyler, McGeary and Burns as wing forwards  - they don't score enough and when you contrast with teams like Mayo, Donegal and Kerry who get big scoring returns from these areas it's something we really need to improve on but looking at the club scene - we don't really seem to have too many natural scoring half forwards do we?

Donnelly plays best when he is given a free role in the middle of the pitch and I think Harte is probably best utilised as a ball winning inside forward from now on.

Hopefully for whoever is in charge going forward, a fully fit squad will allow the likes of McKenna, Harte, Donnelly, McShane and one of Canavan/Bradley/McCurry etc to operate in that final third of the pitch. The bottom line is when you're against the big sides you are probably going to need a dog in there like Meyler or McGeary to take an opposition player out of the game - a lot of the other counties play with one but that's not to say that we don't need a much bigger return from whoever is chosen to do that job at the other end of the pitch. Meyler and McGeary really need to start contributing on the scoreboard if they are to justify their selection.

I think Donaghy will be worth a call up but it will take him two or three years to develop and play at the highest level against the likes of dubs/kerry/mayo etc. People saying he should have been on the team for the donegal game is madness in my view, massive difference between scoring from play in a club game and a county game, and i can't see him being given the free kick duties, so his scoring capacity will be massively reduced. However, with that said, give the lad two years of development with the squad and he could/will become a great outlet.

I think the list included is fair but I would include Kerr from Galbally as a player to retain, he's intelligent, skillful and accurate. I'm not too sure why he isn't closer to the starting team but obviously there is a reason for it, would definitely have him on ahead of Mulgrew anyway.

I think the players that deserve a Mckenna Cup campaign are Donaghy (Dungannon), Teague (Dromore), Mallon (Dungannon), Quinn (Coalisland), Kilpatrick (Pomeroy), Leonard (Coalisland), Herron (Coalisland), Sheilds (Clogher) and then Breenan and McAliskey to return. Just an opinion and im sure ive forgotten a few

I would love to see the team cleared and everyone having to trial again and see what panel they end up with. This would obviously never happen but it would certainly be interesting as Harte is renowned for not dropping players.

Mark McKearney deserves a shot too. Although if we want to move to a move expansive gameplan without defensive half forwards then I'm not sure he fits in.

The two key priorities for next year are 1) identifying one or two extra quality man markers and 2) finding someone can partner Brian Kennedy at midfield.

If we can find another couple of quality defenders who we can trust to leave in a one on one battle, then we can fully push up on the opposition and leave our forwards in place. I really think the lack of these players has contributed to our defensive tactics in recent years. But at the same time, players don't develop these skills when they constantly have the protection of a sweeper or mass defence.

In the current squad I would class McNamee as one of these players but after that we're struggling. Possibly Rory Brennan but I feel as if he is more comfortable tagging someone out the field. Hampsey obviously won an all star at corner back in 2018 but he's barely played the position since and has been plagued with injuries. I think Liam Rafferty has some developing to do as a corner back as well.

After that we have Conor Quinn on the panel who I like the look of and who did well on Mattie Donnelly in the club championship. And Conall Grimes. As far as potential call ups go, Peter Teague and Conor Shields are worth a try.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 03, 2020, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 03, 2020, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: The_Slug on November 03, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 12:46:46 PM
The squad for next year should see a fairly comprehensive overhaul though whoever is manager. I think part of the reason I'd like to see a fresh voice in is for that purpose.

These are the players I think should be around for next year:

GK:
Morgan
Gallen

Defenders:
Brennan
McNamee
Rafferty
McCann
Hampsey
Cassidy
M O'Neill
McKernan
K McGeary
F Burns
HP McGeary
Kelly
Grimes
Quinn
Murnaghan

Midfield:
Kennedy
R Donnelly
Kilpatrick

Forwards:
M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry
Bradley
Canavan
McShane
Meyler
Sludden


That's about 28 players so you have the potential to add 10 or so new faces in there. I think in terms of defensive talent in the country we probably have more or less the best available to us on the panel at present, possibly a few new additions if some of those guys aren't available or moved on.

In terms of midfield, we're now short, it's an area we need to improve on. I'd defintitely hop we can get McNulty back in there and I also like Nugent from Galbally and think he could be given a go during the McKenna Cup.

With the attackers, there is loads of talent not available for whatever reason this year. It's time to give new some new blood a go here, plenty of talent on the u20 squad this year. The likes of McAliskey and Brennan should be tried to commit again, Donaghy should be a certain call up and a few others too. You look at us playing guys like Meyler, McGeary and Burns as wing forwards  - they don't score enough and when you contrast with teams like Mayo, Donegal and Kerry who get big scoring returns from these areas it's something we really need to improve on but looking at the club scene - we don't really seem to have too many natural scoring half forwards do we?

Donnelly plays best when he is given a free role in the middle of the pitch and I think Harte is probably best utilised as a ball winning inside forward from now on.

Hopefully for whoever is in charge going forward, a fully fit squad will allow the likes of McKenna, Harte, Donnelly, McShane and one of Canavan/Bradley/McCurry etc to operate in that final third of the pitch. The bottom line is when you're against the big sides you are probably going to need a dog in there like Meyler or McGeary to take an opposition player out of the game - a lot of the other counties play with one but that's not to say that we don't need a much bigger return from whoever is chosen to do that job at the other end of the pitch. Meyler and McGeary really need to start contributing on the scoreboard if they are to justify their selection.

I think Donaghy will be worth a call up but it will take him two or three years to develop and play at the highest level against the likes of dubs/kerry/mayo etc. People saying he should have been on the team for the donegal game is madness in my view, massive difference between scoring from play in a club game and a county game, and i can't see him being given the free kick duties, so his scoring capacity will be massively reduced. However, with that said, give the lad two years of development with the squad and he could/will become a great outlet.

I think the list included is fair but I would include Kerr from Galbally as a player to retain, he's intelligent, skillful and accurate. I'm not too sure why he isn't closer to the starting team but obviously there is a reason for it, would definitely have him on ahead of Mulgrew anyway.

I think the players that deserve a Mckenna Cup campaign are Donaghy (Dungannon), Teague (Dromore), Mallon (Dungannon), Quinn (Coalisland), Kilpatrick (Pomeroy), Leonard (Coalisland), Herron (Coalisland), Sheilds (Clogher) and then Breenan and McAliskey to return. Just an opinion and im sure ive forgotten a few

I would love to see the team cleared and everyone having to trial again and see what panel they end up with. This would obviously never happen but it would certainly be interesting as Harte is renowned for not dropping players.

Mark McKearney deserves a shot too. Although if we want to move to a move expansive gameplan without defensive half forwards then I'm not sure he fits in.

The two key priorities for next year are 1) identifying one or two extra quality man markers and 2) finding someone can partner Brian Kennedy at midfield.

If we can find another couple of quality defenders who we can trust to leave in a one on one battle, then we can fully push up on the opposition and leave our forwards in place. I really think the lack of these players has contributed to our defensive tactics in recent years. But at the same time, players don't develop these skills when they constantly have the protection of a sweeper or mass defence.

In the current squad I would class McNamee as one of these players but after that we're struggling. Possibly Rory Brennan but I feel as if he is more comfortable tagging someone out the field. Hampsey obviously won an all star at corner back in 2018 but he's barely played the position since and has been plagued with injuries. I think Liam Rafferty has some developing to do as a corner back as well.

After that we have Conor Quinn on the panel who I like the look of and who did well on Mattie Donnelly in the club championship. And Conall Grimes. As far as potential call ups go, Peter Teague and Conor Shields are worth a try.

What about Walsh from Dungannon, he marked a few good players in this year's championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 03, 2020, 06:37:24 PM
There were a few Dungannon players contacted. All refused because they would have had to have been at training the Tue or Thur after they won it. You can guess why they never bothered. If they get the call again, who knows.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
Would no one like to see Rory Brennan played at midfield? Not sure whether it's him or directions from the sideline but I think he has the ability to offer far more attacking wise to the team than he does.
Anytime he gets the ball he always seems a bit short on confidence with it or something but he's a quality player and has great feet when he actually does decide to shoot.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on November 03, 2020, 07:02:02 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
Would no one like to see Rory Brennan played at midfield? Not sure whether it's him or directions from the sideline but I think he has the ability to offer far more attacking wise to the team than he does.
Anytime he gets the ball he always seems a bit short on confidence with it or something but he's a quality player and has great feet when he actually does decide to shoot.

If you want a MF who can attack and score then it's Richie Donnelly who's your best bet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RandyDupree on November 03, 2020, 07:11:46 PM
Mickey Moran is the man
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 03, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
Has Peter Donnelly a role in a potential new management team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on November 03, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
Don't think we have the players to really compete for Sam. If you think of the All Ireland final 2 years ago, Kerry last year, Donegal this year - each time Tyrone would fly out of the traps, but when good teams start to squeeze you and the white heat rises, Tyrone have a habit of making mistakes and taking the wrong options, especially in front of the posts. Even the game against Mayo in 2016 when Cavanagh saw red, Tyrone squandered big chances late on.

I don't know if you can coach that to players in their mid to late 20s - composure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on November 03, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
For what little its worth, I think you were beaten by a superb team that has timed its run much better than last year, found 3 orc4 new players and added the formidable footballing brain of Stephen Rochford to its background team. There was nothing really between the teams except for a few mouthy defenders.

I wouldnt be in the least bit surprised if Donegal go the whole way, they have pretty much got everything you'd want in a panel.

Now. Would you have beaten them with a fit Mc Shane? Probably.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 09:03:00 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
Would no one like to see Rory Brennan played at midfield? Not sure whether it's him or directions from the sideline but I think he has the ability to offer far more attacking wise to the team than he does.
Anytime he gets the ball he always seems a bit short on confidence with it or something but he's a quality player and has great feet when he actually does decide to shoot.

Rory Brennan is our go to man marker now. By getting guys like Brennan, Hampsey, Donnelly, McKenna etc to plug gaps in midfield you are robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 09:13:49 PM
I think we are ok defensively when we have a full contingent.

Brennan, McNamee, Rafferty, Cassidy, Hampsey, O'Neill is a solid back 6 for me.

I also think Niall Kelly showed up well this year in his brief outings and Quinn, Grimes, Murnaghan might be able to contribute next year.

Next year we finally have the attacking talent to play muvhpre progressive football.

McShane at 14, McKenna at 11, Donnelly roving about the middle third and then 2/3 of Harte/McCurry/Bradley/Brennan/Canavan/McAliskey/Donaghy is exciting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 03, 2020, 09:21:49 PM
I'd prefer to see Liam Rafferty get a run at 5 over Tiernan McCann. That's where he is most effective for Galbally. I think he's a more natural half back than a corner back imo. Hampsey-McNamee-Brennan would be a solid full back line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 03, 2020, 09:22:38 PM
Has anyone watched the game back,god talk about a game we could have won. Its even more sickening watching it the second time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 09:31:07 PM
When you think back, those two frees that's mcquillan brought forward made the difference in the end. Two very difficult kicks were made into certainties. Love to know what caused them to be brought in.

I'd also agree with the point re Liam Rafferty. He's almost too good a footballer to be stuck in corner back.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 10:34:02 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 03, 2020, 09:21:49 PM
I'd prefer to see Liam Rafferty get a run at 5 over Tiernan McCann. That's where he is most effective for Galbally. I think he's a more natural half back than a corner back imo. Hampsey-McNamee-Brennan would be a solid full back line.

Rafferty is one of those players who is comfortable anywhere on the pitch, whether it's corner back or wing back he's a definite starter.

Hopefully Cassidy gets a free run from injuries next year too as he is a great attacking option from wing back and offers a lot more presence and physicality there than some of our other options in the half back line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 03, 2020, 10:49:10 PM
I think the likes of Rafferty and Cassidy etc will be long term fixtures at half back. I think Tiernan McCanns race is run at County level. Decision making it poor and general athletic ability isn't enough any more.

I would never call myself a huge admirer of Meyler but he is a necessary evil at times. He definitely curtailed McHugh and had an impact on Durcan the week previous.

There are many questions that need answered but overall I think the mood is of optimism towards the future. Who leads them etc is up for debate but we are in a much better place to that of 7/8 years ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 04, 2020, 09:56:09 AM
Quote from: bgal10 on November 03, 2020, 09:31:07 PM
When you think back, those two frees that's mcquillan brought forward made the difference in the end. Two very difficult kicks were made into certainties. Love to know what caused them to be brought in.

I'd also agree with the point re Liam Rafferty. He's almost too good a footballer to be stuck in corner back.

The one in the first half was a ridiculous call. Mattie Donnelly was standing beside Eoin McHugh, and was calling Tiernan McCann back to mark McHugh so that Mattie could go over and mark Murphy. While he was waiting for McCann to get back, Donnelly had his hand on McHughs arm. It wasn't clear from the camera picture but I presume Mattie had a hold of his jersey and that's what the free was brought in for but McHugh was standing there stationary, with no intention of moving for the ball. So to be punished for that in an Ulster Championship match at such a crucial time was a joke of a decision from McQuillan

The one in the second half seemed to be verbals, but it was a long time after the whistle was blown so I thought one of the tyrone players must have been saying something to Thompson as he was lining up the kick. If that was the case then there's no excuse for that I'm afraid
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 04, 2020, 10:02:03 AM
Anyone remember the action taken by McQuillan when a Donegal player stood in front of Morgan trying to take his first free of the day? A more serious infringement than what he moved the two Donegal frees up for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 04, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on November 03, 2020, 10:49:10 PM
I think the likes of Rafferty and Cassidy etc will be long term fixtures at half back. I think Tiernan McCanns race is run at County level. Decision making it poor and general athletic ability isn't enough any more.

I would never call myself a huge admirer of Meyler but he is a necessary evil at times. He definitely curtailed McHugh and had an impact on Durcan the week previous.

There are many questions that need answered but overall I think the mood is of optimism towards the future. Who leads them etc is up for debate but we are in a much better place to that of 7/8 years ago.

I think McCann has lost a yard of pace, he's had a couple of bad years with injuries and probably not going to get back to the level of 4 or 5 years back now.

Will Murnaghan get a go next year?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 04, 2020, 12:01:41 PM
I never thought was good enough as a footballer at Inter County level, and with that yard of pace gone he is probably coming to the end, in my opinion.

Is Murnaghan really at that level? I wouldn't be sure as bar a brilliant championship season for KC a few years ago, I don't remember him being a standout performer in games. Horrible injury record for someone so young too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 04, 2020, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on November 04, 2020, 12:01:41 PM
I never thought was good enough as a footballer at Inter County level, and with that yard of pace gone he is probably coming to the end, in my opinion.

Is Murnaghan really at that level? I wouldn't be sure as bar a brilliant championship season for KC a few years ago, I don't remember him being a standout performer in games. Horrible injury record for someone so young too.

McCann did improve significantly around 2016/17 and was a regular contributor on the scoreboard and a key performer for Tyrone but has had a few injuries and hasn't been at it in the last couple of years.

Murnaghan looks like a phenomenal athlete from what I've seen, I'd say he's the closest thing we have for pure pace in the squad after McKenna. Still only 20 but has had some injury issues. Think he's been very oddly used by the u20s in the past few years as some sort of target man inside and a third midfielder. There's great raw potential there with him and he should get a few chances next year in the McKenna Cup and League. I think he could really add a lot and wing back, whether he's ready now or not I don't know but give him a few games in the League to see where he's at.

It's time now for new players to get those opportunities though, we know what the likes of Burns, McKernan, Meyler, McGeary etc bring - I don't think we can win an All Ireland with all those players as starters - they can be valuable squad members but we need to let others come in and state their case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 06, 2020, 07:44:15 PM
Canavan ruling himself out of any sort of involvement if the job does become available. He says he won't manage his son or son in law. You'd think that would effectively rule him out for at least 10 years if Canavan turns out as good as we hope/expect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 07:53:56 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 06, 2020, 07:44:15 PM
Canavan ruling himself out of any sort of involvement if the job does become available. He says he won't manage his son or son in law. You'd think that would effectively rule him out for at least 10 years if Canavan turns out as good as we hope/expect.

There's no real standout candidate in the county. A lot of the 03-08 are not even that long retired from the club game so are only really making their first forays into management.

There's nobody in the county that has had that much sustained success at club level or nobody that has had particular success at underage level.

I don't think we'd go outside, I don't think we could afford Jim McGuinness.

I think Enda McGinley was right about a succession plan, we should have a team installed at u20 level for a specific term, be it 1 or 2 years who will then take over the reigns from Harte. Who that is I don't know but it will probably try and have someone involved from the 03-08 vintage I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on November 06, 2020, 08:04:08 PM
Give it til Art.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 06, 2020, 09:01:51 PM
Mick o Dwyer still managing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 06, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2020, 08:04:08 PM
Give it til Art.

When Tyrone are playing Trillick he'll give a few dungannon lads a shout. . .
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.

And??

People on here talking about Canavan, Logan etc.

Moran ranked well above these lads currently in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 07, 2020, 07:59:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 06, 2020, 09:01:51 PM
Mick o Dwyer still managing?

He's 84.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 07, 2020, 09:12:39 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 07, 2020, 07:59:02 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 06, 2020, 09:01:51 PM
Mick o Dwyer still managing?

He's 84.
same age as harte then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.

And??

People on here talking about Canavan, Logan etc.

Moran ranked well above these lads currently in my opinion.

He's been out of the intercounty game for sometime and his last role in it was not impressive.

Maybe its ageism but Moran, no more than Harte is yesterday's man. If we are to replace Harte I don't think Mickey Moran will replace something we don't already have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.

And??

People on here talking about Canavan, Logan etc.

Moran ranked well above these lads currently in my opinion.

He's been out of the intercounty game for sometime and his last role in it was not impressive.

Maybe its ageism but Moran, no more than Harte is yesterday's man. If we are to replace Harte I don't think Mickey Moran will replace something we don't already have.

Are you for real?

Moran has done unreal work with Slaughtneil in Derry and Kilcoo in Down.

Ask any of them club players what they think of his methods and tactics and I'm sure there'll be no one disagreeing.

Disclipline is a huge issue in Tyrone. Moran would nip that in the bud straightaway.  Plus he's not a media man.  Keeps himself in the background and not in The Irish News every third day.

This craic of you have to be a young manager with 'new ideas'...bla, bla, bla. Waffle. All these new managers just park the bus because it's all so easy to be a defensive coach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on November 07, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
Unfortunately we don't have too many candidates within tyrone to take the job. Someone mentioned Mattie Mc gleenan and dinky Mc bride I nearly fell of my seat laughing. First man is more negative than what we have and his record is abysmal the second man destroyed a very good club minor team. If we are suggesting people like this to takeover it will be a very long time before we win anything. Change is needed but change that will bring best out in players. I'd personally like to see a combination of the u21 management setup from a few years back with Collie Holmes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.

And??

People on here talking about Canavan, Logan etc.

Moran ranked well above these lads currently in my opinion.

He's been out of the intercounty game for sometime and his last role in it was not impressive.

Maybe its ageism but Moran, no more than Harte is yesterday's man. If we are to replace Harte I don't think Mickey Moran will replace something we don't already have.

Are you for real?

Moran has done unreal work with Slaughtneil in Derry and Kilcoo in Down.

Ask any of them club players what they think of his methods and tactics and I'm sure there'll be no one disagreeing.

Disclipline is a huge issue in Tyrone. Moran would nip that in the bud straightaway.  Plus he's not a media man.  Keeps himself in the background and not in The Irish News every third day.

This craic of you have to be a young manager with 'new ideas'...bla, bla, bla. Waffle. All these new managers just park the bus because it's all so easy to be a defensive coach.

Yes I am for real.

Is there an older intercounty manager than Harte right now. Moran did a good job with Slaughtneil, he's done a good job with Kilcoo but his last job on the county scene was 2008 with Leitrim. His record at county level is decent but nothing more.

Moran's Kilcoo and Slaughtneil teams are and were extremely defensive so I don't know why you're moaning about new coaches being defensive when that has been the basis for Moran.

Mickey Moran is a good manager with a good pedigree but he's basically a Harte lite version so I don't see why we would run Harte to hire Moran, it makes no sense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.

And??

People on here talking about Canavan, Logan etc.

Moran ranked well above these lads currently in my opinion.

He's been out of the intercounty game for sometime and his last role in it was not impressive.

Maybe its ageism but Moran, no more than Harte is yesterday's man. If we are to replace Harte I don't think Mickey Moran will replace something we don't already have.

Are you for real?

Moran has done unreal work with Slaughtneil in Derry and Kilcoo in Down.

Ask any of them club players what they think of his methods and tactics and I'm sure there'll be no one disagreeing.

Disclipline is a huge issue in Tyrone. Moran would nip that in the bud straightaway.  Plus he's not a media man.  Keeps himself in the background and not in The Irish News every third day.

This craic of you have to be a young manager with 'new ideas'...bla, bla, bla. Waffle. All these new managers just park the bus because it's all so easy to be a defensive coach.

Yes I am for real.

Is there an older intercounty manager than Harte right now. Moran did a good job with Slaughtneil, he's done a good job with Kilcoo but his last job on the county scene was 2008 with Leitrim. His record at county level is decent but nothing more.

Moran's Kilcoo and Slaughtneil teams are and were extremely defensive so I don't know why you're moaning about new coaches being defensive when that has been the basis for Moran.

Mickey Moran is a good manager with a good pedigree but he's basically a Harte lite version so I don't see why we would run Harte to hire Moran, it makes no sense.

Define defensive..ha ha.

Both teams have scored more than the opposition on countless occasions...lol...so much so that they've won county titles and reached All Ireland Finals.

Negative....lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.

And??

People on here talking about Canavan, Logan etc.

Moran ranked well above these lads currently in my opinion.

He's been out of the intercounty game for sometime and his last role in it was not impressive.

Maybe its ageism but Moran, no more than Harte is yesterday's man. If we are to replace Harte I don't think Mickey Moran will replace something we don't already have.

Are you for real?

Moran has done unreal work with Slaughtneil in Derry and Kilcoo in Down.

Ask any of them club players what they think of his methods and tactics and I'm sure there'll be no one disagreeing.

Disclipline is a huge issue in Tyrone. Moran would nip that in the bud straightaway.  Plus he's not a media man.  Keeps himself in the background and not in The Irish News every third day.

This craic of you have to be a young manager with 'new ideas'...bla, bla, bla. Waffle. All these new managers just park the bus because it's all so easy to be a defensive coach.

Yes I am for real.

Is there an older intercounty manager than Harte right now. Moran did a good job with Slaughtneil, he's done a good job with Kilcoo but his last job on the county scene was 2008 with Leitrim. His record at county level is decent but nothing more.

Moran's Kilcoo and Slaughtneil teams are and were extremely defensive so I don't know why you're moaning about new coaches being defensive when that has been the basis for Moran.

Mickey Moran is a good manager with a good pedigree but he's basically a Harte lite version so I don't see why we would run Harte to hire Moran, it makes no sense.

Define defensive..ha ha.

Both teams have scored more than the opposition on countless occasions...lol...so much so that they've won county titles and reached All Ireland Finals.

Negative....lol.

You win games by scoring more than the opposition, that doesn't mean defensive teams can win games.

Tyrone and Donegal have been panned for defensive styles, it hasn't stopped either county being in the top 5 counties in the country over the past 6/7 years.

So yeah Mickey Moran's side are defensive, doesn't make any odds to me but when you're trying to pan other managers for being defensive and then holding up Moran you are contradicting yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.

And??

People on here talking about Canavan, Logan etc.

Moran ranked well above these lads currently in my opinion.

He's been out of the intercounty game for sometime and his last role in it was not impressive.

Maybe its ageism but Moran, no more than Harte is yesterday's man. If we are to replace Harte I don't think Mickey Moran will replace something we don't already have.

Are you for real?

Moran has done unreal work with Slaughtneil in Derry and Kilcoo in Down.

Ask any of them club players what they think of his methods and tactics and I'm sure there'll be no one disagreeing.

Disclipline is a huge issue in Tyrone. Moran would nip that in the bud straightaway.  Plus he's not a media man.  Keeps himself in the background and not in The Irish News every third day.

This craic of you have to be a young manager with 'new ideas'...bla, bla, bla. Waffle. All these new managers just park the bus because it's all so easy to be a defensive coach.

Yes I am for real.

Is there an older intercounty manager than Harte right now. Moran did a good job with Slaughtneil, he's done a good job with Kilcoo but his last job on the county scene was 2008 with Leitrim. His record at county level is decent but nothing more.

Moran's Kilcoo and Slaughtneil teams are and were extremely defensive so I don't know why you're moaning about new coaches being defensive when that has been the basis for Moran.

Mickey Moran is a good manager with a good pedigree but he's basically a Harte lite version so I don't see why we would run Harte to hire Moran, it makes no sense.

Define defensive..ha ha.

Both teams have scored more than the opposition on countless occasions...lol...so much so that they've won county titles and reached All Ireland Finals.

Negative....lol.

You win games by scoring more than the opposition, that doesn't mean defensive teams can win games.

Tyrone and Donegal have been panned for defensive styles, it hasn't stopped either county being in the top 5 counties in the country over the past 6/7 years.

So yeah Mickey Moran's side are defensive, doesn't make any odds to me but when you're trying to pan other managers for being defensive and then holding up Moran you are contradicting yourself.

No, I think you're contradicting yourself.

I'm giving you a good option for Tyrone.

You, in return, have offered nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 01:17:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 06, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Mickey Moran.

Moran's last intercounty job was over a decade ago with Leitrim.

And??

People on here talking about Canavan, Logan etc.

Moran ranked well above these lads currently in my opinion.

He's been out of the intercounty game for sometime and his last role in it was not impressive.

Maybe its ageism but Moran, no more than Harte is yesterday's man. If we are to replace Harte I don't think Mickey Moran will replace something we don't already have.

Are you for real?

Moran has done unreal work with Slaughtneil in Derry and Kilcoo in Down.

Ask any of them club players what they think of his methods and tactics and I'm sure there'll be no one disagreeing.

Disclipline is a huge issue in Tyrone. Moran would nip that in the bud straightaway.  Plus he's not a media man.  Keeps himself in the background and not in The Irish News every third day.

This craic of you have to be a young manager with 'new ideas'...bla, bla, bla. Waffle. All these new managers just park the bus because it's all so easy to be a defensive coach.

Yes I am for real.

Is there an older intercounty manager than Harte right now. Moran did a good job with Slaughtneil, he's done a good job with Kilcoo but his last job on the county scene was 2008 with Leitrim. His record at county level is decent but nothing more.

Moran's Kilcoo and Slaughtneil teams are and were extremely defensive so I don't know why you're moaning about new coaches being defensive when that has been the basis for Moran.

Mickey Moran is a good manager with a good pedigree but he's basically a Harte lite version so I don't see why we would run Harte to hire Moran, it makes no sense.

Define defensive..ha ha.

Both teams have scored more than the opposition on countless occasions...lol...so much so that they've won county titles and reached All Ireland Finals.

Negative....lol.

You win games by scoring more than the opposition, that doesn't mean defensive teams can win games.

Tyrone and Donegal have been panned for defensive styles, it hasn't stopped either county being in the top 5 counties in the country over the past 6/7 years.

So yeah Mickey Moran's side are defensive, doesn't make any odds to me but when you're trying to pan other managers for being defensive and then holding up Moran you are contradicting yourself.

No, I think you're contradicting yourself.

I'm giving you a good option for Tyrone.

You, in return, have offered nothing.

I've already given you my option.

I don't think Moran is an improvement on Harte, therefore I'd stick with Harte rather getting rid of him to replace him with an inferior version.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on November 07, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
I see on the Ulster Herald facebook post about Biden winning the US Presidency, the comments underneath include one by some Augher fella, complaining about "Tyrone's tyrant" Mickey Harte. Who could possibly be that obsessed about Mickey Harte that they spend their time online complaining about him, even under news articles about the US presidential elections?

Hmm.... ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 07, 2020, 06:11:35 PM
MH is going nowhere and to suggest MM would replace him is pure daft.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 07, 2020, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 07, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
I see on the Ulster Herald facebook post about Biden winning the US Presidency, the comments underneath include one by some Augher fella, complaining about "Tyrone's tyrant" Mickey Harte. Who could possibly be that obsessed about Mickey Harte that they spend their time online complaining about him, even under news articles about the US presidential elections?

Hmm.... ???
Mickey living rent free in his head!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 07, 2020, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 07, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
I see on the Ulster Herald facebook post about Biden winning the US Presidency, the comments underneath include one by some Augher fella, complaining about "Tyrone's tyrant" Mickey Harte. Who could possibly be that obsessed about Mickey Harte that they spend their time online complaining about him, even under news articles about the US presidential elections?

Hmm.... ???

Clicked on his profile. I particularly liked his editing of the Irish News headline 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 07, 2020, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 07, 2020, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 07, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
I see on the Ulster Herald facebook post about Biden winning the US Presidency, the comments underneath include one by some Augher fella, complaining about "Tyrone's tyrant" Mickey Harte. Who could possibly be that obsessed about Mickey Harte that they spend their time online complaining about him, even under news articles about the US presidential elections?

Hmm.... ???

Clicked on his profile. I particularly liked his editing of the Irish News headline 😂

Not sure who it is...but I bet the same person is nervous for the Down game tomorrow  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 08, 2020, 03:03:28 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 07, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
I see on the Ulster Herald facebook post about Biden winning the US Presidency, the comments underneath include one by some Augher fella, complaining about "Tyrone's tyrant" Mickey Harte. Who could possibly be that obsessed about Mickey Harte that they spend their time online complaining about him, even under news articles about the US presidential elections?

Hmm.... ???

Hes made the mistake of copying and pasting his stuff from here into Facebook and vice versa. He's some lad!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 08, 2020, 04:26:09 AM
'tyrones tyrant'! Love it. Looks like 'augher fella' is living rent free in a few heads too.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 08, 2020, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: skeog on November 07, 2020, 06:11:35 PM
MH is going nowhere and to suggest MM would replace him is pure daft.

Exactly, all a moot point.

For what it's worth, I'm not a massive fan of Harte in recent years.....But McKenna/McShane fully fit and together next year, I would give Harte his chance with them, he's obviously got McKenna on side when he came home to play for him. When McShane was ruled out we all knew the game was up v Donegal realistically.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Anyone hear one on Teamtalk mag men got suspended for 96 weeks??? and is taking up a lot of debate in Garvaghy..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on November 08, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Anyone hear one on Teamtalk mag men got suspended for 96 weeks??? and is taking up a lot of debate in Garvaghy..

Who? And what exactly would you have to do to earn a 96 week suspension? :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 08, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Anyone hear one on Teamtalk mag men got suspended for 96 weeks??? and is taking up a lot of debate in Garvaghy..

Who? And what exactly would you have to do to earn a 96 week suspension? :o

I heard Damian Harvey got suspended for 96 weeks...something to do with leaking emails that's all i heard, its under appeal....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 08, 2020, 08:52:36 PM
Any truth in the refs were for striking earlier in the year , something to do with money. Please tell me that its complete bullshit
Edit this should be in the club thread
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 08, 2020, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 08, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Anyone hear one on Teamtalk mag men got suspended for 96 weeks??? and is taking up a lot of debate in Garvaghy..

Who? And what exactly would you have to do to earn a 96 week suspension? :o

I heard Damian Harvey got suspended for 96 weeks...something to do with leaking emails that's all i heard, its under appeal....

Suspended from what exactly? Setting foot in Garvaghey? Attending Tyrone matches ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 08, 2020, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 08, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Anyone hear one on Teamtalk mag men got suspended for 96 weeks??? and is taking up a lot of debate in Garvaghy..

Who? And what exactly would you have to do to earn a 96 week suspension? :o

I heard Damian Harvey got suspended for 96 weeks...something to do with leaking emails that's all i heard, its under appeal....

Suspended from what exactly? Setting foot in Garvaghey? Attending Tyrone matches ?

I would presume he would be suspended from any position he holds in County Board or club ... he cant be suspended from going to watch a game......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on November 09, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 08, 2020, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 08, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Anyone hear one on Teamtalk mag men got suspended for 96 weeks??? and is taking up a lot of debate in Garvaghy..

Who? And what exactly would you have to do to earn a 96 week suspension? :o

I heard Damian Harvey got suspended for 96 weeks...something to do with leaking emails that's all i heard, its under appeal....

Suspended from what exactly? Setting foot in Garvaghey? Attending Tyrone matches ?

I would presume he would be suspended from any position he holds in County Board or club ... he cant be suspended from going to watch a game......

Off course he cant be suspended from attending games - thats if any of us get to attend a game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 09, 2020, 09:41:04 AM
Is this anything to do with the Roisin Jordan libel case and the emails that were sent to the Dublin radio station?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 09, 2020, 09:41:04 AM
Is this anything to do with the Roisin Jordan libel case and the emails that were sent to the Dublin radio station?


I have not a clue i just heard leaked emails....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Has Kerry's (Peter Keane's) performance yesterday dampened down any of the 'Harte out' thoughts within our own county?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Has Kerry's (Peter Keane's) performance yesterday dampened down any of the 'Harte out' thoughts within our own county?

Fair question, I thought Kerry beat themselves yesterday. They'll be sick this morning, especially beat with that type of smash and grab.

Straight knockout of course makes for this type of spectacle but I don't think I would want it back full time.....It's a very harsh format. The game itself, the weather was shocking but the amount of fouling and delaying tactics, especially from Cork - they did what they had to do though.

Could straight knockout help Tyrone and Harte? I would probably say the opposite to be honest. It would take Dublin getting taken out for the Anti Harte calls to stop.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 09, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Has Kerry's (Peter Keane's) performance yesterday dampened down any of the 'Harte out' thoughts within our own county?

Fair question, I thought Kerry beat themselves yesterday. They'll be sick this morning, especially beat with that type of smash and grab.

Straight knockout of course makes for this type of spectacle but I don't think I would want it back full time.....It's a very harsh format. The game itself, the weather was shocking but the amount of fouling and delaying tactics, especially from Cork - they did what they had to do though.

Could straight knockout help Tyrone and Harte? I would probably say the opposite to be honest. It would take Dublin getting taken out for the Anti Harte calls to stop.
Straight knockout only works if it goes to a 32 county open draw and you scrap the provinces. In which case it could benefit anyone, you could have the established big teams on one side of the draw with unfancied teams reaching semi finals and finals and so on.
It has potential but can't work with the existing provincial structure, Ulster and Leinster have potentially 4 games to get to a semi final and Connacht and Munster potentially just 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rawhide on November 09, 2020, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 09, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Has Kerry's (Peter Keane's) performance yesterday dampened down any of the 'Harte out' thoughts within our own county?

Fair question, I thought Kerry beat themselves yesterday. They'll be sick this morning, especially beat with that type of smash and grab.

Straight knockout of course makes for this type of spectacle but I don't think I would want it back full time.....It's a very harsh format. The game itself, the weather was shocking but the amount of fouling and delaying tactics, especially from Cork - they did what they had to do though.

Could straight knockout help Tyrone and Harte? I would probably say the opposite to be honest. It would take Dublin getting taken out for the Anti Harte calls to stop.
Straight knockout only works if it goes to a 32 county open draw and you scrap the provinces. In which case it could benefit anyone, you could have the established big teams on one side of the draw with unfancied teams reaching semi finals and finals and so on.
It has potential but can't work with the existing provincial structure, Ulster and Leinster have potentially 4 games to get to a semi final and Connacht and Munster potentially just 2.

If you applied the straight knock out over the past 20 yrs you would only have One senior All Ireland. Surprised you even discussing it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 11:02:42 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 09, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Has Kerry's (Peter Keane's) performance yesterday dampened down any of the 'Harte out' thoughts within our own county?

Fair question, I thought Kerry beat themselves yesterday. They'll be sick this morning, especially beat with that type of smash and grab.

Straight knockout of course makes for this type of spectacle but I don't think I would want it back full time.....It's a very harsh format. The game itself, the weather was shocking but the amount of fouling and delaying tactics, especially from Cork - they did what they had to do though.

Could straight knockout help Tyrone and Harte? I would probably say the opposite to be honest. It would take Dublin getting taken out for the Anti Harte calls to stop.
Straight knockout only works if it goes to a 32 county open draw and you scrap the provinces. In which case it could benefit anyone, you could have the established big teams on one side of the draw with unfancied teams reaching semi finals and finals and so on.
It has potential but can't work with the existing provincial structure, Ulster and Leinster have potentially 4 games to get to a semi final and Connacht and Munster potentially just 2.

Galway could win an All Ireland playing 3 games.

It's possible, is it likely? I think Mayo will beat them but still....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 09, 2020, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 09, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Rawhide on November 09, 2020, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 09, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Has Kerry's (Peter Keane's) performance yesterday dampened down any of the 'Harte out' thoughts within our own county?

Fair question, I thought Kerry beat themselves yesterday. They'll be sick this morning, especially beat with that type of smash and grab.

Straight knockout of course makes for this type of spectacle but I don't think I would want it back full time.....It's a very harsh format. The game itself, the weather was shocking but the amount of fouling and delaying tactics, especially from Cork - they did what they had to do though.

Could straight knockout help Tyrone and Harte? I would probably say the opposite to be honest. It would take Dublin getting taken out for the Anti Harte calls to stop.
Straight knockout only works if it goes to a 32 county open draw and you scrap the provinces. In which case it could benefit anyone, you could have the established big teams on one side of the draw with unfancied teams reaching semi finals and finals and so on.
It has potential but can't work with the existing provincial structure, Ulster and Leinster have potentially 4 games to get to a semi final and Connacht and Munster potentially just 2.

If you applied the straight knock out over the past 20 yrs you would only have One senior All Ireland. Surprised you even discussing it

Who knows? We might have won it sooner if there was no backdoor in 2001 and we're playing Roscommon in an All Ireland Semi Final.

Or similarly Donegal could have regrouped after being beat in the 1993 Ulster final and went on and won back to back all Ireland's. So who knows.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rawhide on November 09, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 09, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Rawhide on November 09, 2020, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 09, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Has Kerry's (Peter Keane's) performance yesterday dampened down any of the 'Harte out' thoughts within our own county?

Fair question, I thought Kerry beat themselves yesterday. They'll be sick this morning, especially beat with that type of smash and grab.

Straight knockout of course makes for this type of spectacle but I don't think I would want it back full time.....It's a very harsh format. The game itself, the weather was shocking but the amount of fouling and delaying tactics, especially from Cork - they did what they had to do though.

Could straight knockout help Tyrone and Harte? I would probably say the opposite to be honest. It would take Dublin getting taken out for the Anti Harte calls to stop.
Straight knockout only works if it goes to a 32 county open draw and you scrap the provinces. In which case it could benefit anyone, you could have the established big teams on one side of the draw with unfancied teams reaching semi finals and finals and so on.
It has potential but can't work with the existing provincial structure, Ulster and Leinster have potentially 4 games to get to a semi final and Connacht and Munster potentially just 2.

If you applied the straight knock out over the past 20 yrs you would only have One senior All Ireland. Surprised you even discussing it

Who knows? We might have won it sooner if there was no backdoor in 2001 and we're playing Roscommon in an All Ireland Semi Final.

We know you won two through the back door against the traditional way and now we have some Tyrone posters suggesting we go back to the traditionally championship, same as your club championship. The irony is not lost on me or you either. Of all the counties I would have thought you would be the last to want to go away from having a second chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 09, 2020, 11:46:48 AM
Is Rawhide another Derry voyeur seeking out the Tyrone forums?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
Why would Peter Keane and Kerry have anything to Do with Tyrone and Mickey Harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
Why would Peter Keane and Kerry have anything to Do with Tyrone and Mickey Harte?

I think it's an interesting parallel in that you've a team who are clear 2nd favourites in the AI going out against a mediocre with very negative tactics. They've one of the best forwards in recent years playing with little support up front and have now been sent packing. My point is two fold, Mickey would have been torn to shreds if that were us and secondly it reinforces the point that there appears to be little standout people to replace him. I'm not saying Peter Keane could replace Harte, it's that the vast majority of top managers are playing a brand of football that is more or less identical to Tyrone.

My initial thoughts after Donegal game were Harte's time is up but on sober reflection I would give him one more year playing with a full deck  with a forward unit involving Mc Kenna, McShane, Canavan, Bradley, Harte, McCurry etc to see what happens. There's no getting away from the fact that there is no obvious candidate, there really isn't. I'd install the next senior management team with the 20s with a view to them taking over in 2022.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
Why would Peter Keane and Kerry have anything to Do with Tyrone and Mickey Harte?

I think it's an interesting parallel in that you've a team who are clear 2nd favourites in the AI going out against a mediocre with very negative tactics. They've one of the best forwards in recent years playing with little support up front and have now been sent packing. My point is two fold, Mickey would have been torn to shreds if that were us and secondly it reinforces the point that there appears to be little standout people to replace him. I'm not saying Peter Keane could replace Harte, it's that the vast majority of top managers are playing a brand of football that is more or less identical to Tyrone.

My initial thoughts after Donegal game were Harte's time is up but on sober reflection I would give him one more year playing with a full deck  with a forward unit involving Mc Kenna, McShane, Canavan, Bradley, Harte, McCurry etc to see what happens. There's no getting away from the fact that there is no obvious candidate, there really isn't. I'd install the next senior management team with the 20s with a view to them taking over in 2022.
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In Kerry you would not get 12 years with no All Ireland's..... but is suppose that is why we have 3 and they have 37....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
Why would Peter Keane and Kerry have anything to Do with Tyrone and Mickey Harte?

I think it's an interesting parallel in that you've a team who are clear 2nd favourites in the AI going out against a mediocre with very negative tactics. They've one of the best forwards in recent years playing with little support up front and have now been sent packing. My point is two fold, Mickey would have been torn to shreds if that were us and secondly it reinforces the point that there appears to be little standout people to replace him. I'm not saying Peter Keane could replace Harte, it's that the vast majority of top managers are playing a brand of football that is more or less identical to Tyrone.

My initial thoughts after Donegal game were Harte's time is up but on sober reflection I would give him one more year playing with a full deck  with a forward unit involving Mc Kenna, McShane, Canavan, Bradley, Harte, McCurry etc to see what happens. There's no getting away from the fact that there is no obvious candidate, there really isn't. I'd install the next senior management team with the 20s with a view to them taking over in 2022.

In fairness, I'd be surprised if Keane doesn't get the road in the next few weeks. They won't accept this in Kerry.

Cork now likely to go and lose to Tipp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 09, 2020, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
Why would Peter Keane and Kerry have anything to Do with Tyrone and Mickey Harte?

I think it's an interesting parallel in that you've a team who are clear 2nd favourites in the AI going out against a mediocre with very negative tactics. They've one of the best forwards in recent years playing with little support up front and have now been sent packing. My point is two fold, Mickey would have been torn to shreds if that were us and secondly it reinforces the point that there appears to be little standout people to replace him. I'm not saying Peter Keane could replace Harte, it's that the vast majority of top managers are playing a brand of football that is more or less identical to Tyrone.

My initial thoughts after Donegal game were Harte's time is up but on sober reflection I would give him one more year playing with a full deck  with a forward unit involving Mc Kenna, McShane, Canavan, Bradley, Harte, McCurry etc to see what happens. There's no getting away from the fact that there is no obvious candidate, there really isn't. I'd install the next senior management team with the 20s with a view to them taking over in 2022.

My worry would be the longer Mickey hangs around the more chance he will have ruined a decent forward unit and turned Canavan, Bradley and McKenna into running backs!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 09, 2020, 01:44:43 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 09, 2020, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 09, 2020, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
Why would Peter Keane and Kerry have anything to Do with Tyrone and Mickey Harte?

I think it's an interesting parallel in that you've a team who are clear 2nd favourites in the AI going out against a mediocre with very negative tactics. They've one of the best forwards in recent years playing with little support up front and have now been sent packing. My point is two fold, Mickey would have been torn to shreds if that were us and secondly it reinforces the point that there appears to be little standout people to replace him. I'm not saying Peter Keane could replace Harte, it's that the vast majority of top managers are playing a brand of football that is more or less identical to Tyrone.

My initial thoughts after Donegal game were Harte's time is up but on sober reflection I would give him one more year playing with a full deck  with a forward unit involving Mc Kenna, McShane, Canavan, Bradley, Harte, McCurry etc to see what happens. There's no getting away from the fact that there is no obvious candidate, there really isn't. I'd install the next senior management team with the 20s with a view to them taking over in 2022.

My worry would be the longer Mickey hangs around the more chance he will have ruined a decent forward unit and turned Canavan, Bradley and McKenna into running backs!

For the first time since 2005 I genuinely think we have a forward line to play the a more progressive game. I think the type of football we have played in recent years has been more of a necessary evil than Harte setting out to ruin good players. The bottom line is you can't fit the likes of McCurry, Bradley, Brennan, McAliskey, O'Neill into the same forward line at the same time.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 09, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Well Brennan's already gone; McAlliskey gone; O'Neill mighten stay around for any longer,  and I wouldn't be surprised if McCurry calls it a day too. With PHarte not performing, you're soon down in numbers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 09, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Well Brennan's already gone; McAlliskey gone; O'Neill mighten stay around for any longer,  and I wouldn't be surprised if McCurry calls it a day too. With PHarte not performing, you're soon down in numbers

Don't expect to see any of these three back playing for Tyrone as it stands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 09, 2020, 02:57:48 PM
If Mickey Harte stepped down in 2014 after losing to Armagh in round 2 of the qualifiers and his replacement's record between 2015 to 2020 read as follows;

2015 - AI semi final - lose to Kerry
2016 - Ulster Champions - AI Quarter final - lose to Mayo who go on to lose the AI final by a point after a replay
2017 - Ulster Champions - AI semi final - lose to Dublin who go on to win the AI
2018 - AI Final - Lose to Dublin
2019 - AI Semi final - Lose to Kerry who go on to lose the final after a replay.

Genuine question then, would we see this as a major underachievement for a 5 year period for a new manager and be calling for him to be replaced? We must also factor in that the backdrop of this time being that this is the era of probably the best football team in history winning 5 in a row.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 09, 2020, 03:10:13 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 09, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Well Brennan's already gone; McAlliskey gone; O'Neill mighten stay around for any longer,  and I wouldn't be surprised if McCurry calls it a day too. With PHarte not performing, you're soon down in numbers

Why would McCurry call it a day? Because he got substituted? He has been a regular this season and our top scorer.

Brennan dropped himself off the panel because he wasn't willing to stay and fight for his place, the bottom line is he hadn't done enough in a Tyrone jersey to keep his place. McAliskey may or may not come back, in an interview he gave last year he didn't rule out returning. O'Neill has had many chances now, I just don't think he is up to this level - I actually think Harte has given him more opportunities than most other managers would have.

The bottom line is no county team is going to service a forward line of 6 small, fairly slight, skillful inside forwards at the same time. You can at most fit 2 or 3 of these guys in there.

Dublin are the prototype.

You look at their forward line, half forward line are generally all 6ft players who can cover every blade of grass and chip in with a few scores, their inside men are generally all very big/powerful players who can score.

You look at how the likes of McCurry, Bradley, Brennan etc measure up physically to O'Callaghan, Paddy Small, Mannion, Rock etc.

You look at how they measure up physically to Aidan O'Shea, Cillian O'Connor, James Carr, Darren Coen - even the young Conroy lad.

You look at how they measure up physically to Murphy, McBrearty, Jamie Brennan and so on and so forth.

All the top teams play with inside forwards who have power, pace and size.

No county is going to cater for more than 2 small/slight forwards at the one time.

McAliskey to be fair does have that bit of explosive power and pace to him but the others are all really players who solely rely on their footballing ability.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 09, 2020, 08:24:46 PM
One glaring issue is MF.

We need at least 1 top class player in that position and have had average for years (on basis CC played sweeper rather than MF)



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 10, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 09, 2020, 08:24:46 PM
One glaring issue is MF.

We need at least 1 top class player in that position and have had average for years (on basis CC played sweeper rather than MF)

I do think Kennedy has potential and did well against Donegal I thought and Mayo the week before. I know some people are torn on McNulty but for me he's the best midfielder in Tyrone at present and with Cavanagh now gone we need him back in there so Harte should definitely be trying to get him back on board again.

I think Kennedy has to be a guaranteed starter now and let him build up that experience have R Donnelly/Kilpatrick/McNulty* battle it out to partner him. I'm very against putting the likes of M Donnelly/Hampsey/Burns etc in midfield - they're not midfielders.

*If he comes back into the fold
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 11, 2020, 11:11:15 AM
Enda McGinley to Antrim.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 11, 2020, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 11, 2020, 11:11:15 AM
Enda McGinley to Antrim.

Brillliant - opportunity for getting some great experience and maybe we will have a strong candidate for future Tyrone manager on the cards further down the line......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 11, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
Is there a big news story imminent?????

:o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 11, 2020, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 09, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Well Brennan's already gone; McAlliskey gone; O'Neill mighten stay around for any longer,  and I wouldn't be surprised if McCurry calls it a day too. With PHarte not performing, you're soon down in numbers

Don't expect to see any of these three back playing for Tyrone as it stands.

Didnt even realise O'Neill was still there, should have been gone long ago.  How good is Brennan?  Is the hype warranted?  McAliskey was only taking the year out, from what I hear he is coming back next season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 11, 2020, 02:21:43 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 11, 2020, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 09, 2020, 02:22:03 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 09, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Well Brennan's already gone; McAlliskey gone; O'Neill mighten stay around for any longer,  and I wouldn't be surprised if McCurry calls it a day too. With PHarte not performing, you're soon down in numbers

Don't expect to see any of these three back playing for Tyrone as it stands.

Didnt even realise O'Neill was still there, should have been gone long ago.  How good is Brennan?  Is the hype warranted?  McAliskey was only taking the year out, from what I hear he is coming back next season.

Brennan has all the skill in the world and a natural confidence to get the best out of it. But size, lack of blistering pace and I think a lack of willingness/resolve to put the work rate in will hold him back at county level. The bottom line is I don't think you can have anymore than 2 of McCurry, Bradley, Canavan, McAliskey and Brennan in the starting team at one time so it will go with the form player and rather than try and earn his place on the team last time around Brennan threw the towel in. He's good enough but it will take a change in mindset.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 11, 2020, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 11, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
Is there a big news story imminent?????

:o

I believe news is imminent indeed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 11, 2020, 03:14:31 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 11, 2020, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 11, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
Is there a big news story imminent?????

:o

I believe news is imminent indeed

Go on.....👀
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on November 11, 2020, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 11, 2020, 03:14:31 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 11, 2020, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 11, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
Is there a big news story imminent?????

:o

I believe news is imminent indeed

Go on.....👀

Is it good or bad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 11, 2020, 03:54:02 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 11, 2020, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 11, 2020, 01:33:01 PM
Is there a big news story imminent?????

:o

I believe news is imminent indeed

Why write that up and then not say ffs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 04:02:49 PM
Can't be that big when teamtalk have nothing up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 11, 2020, 04:08:42 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on November 11, 2020, 04:03:47 PM
I hear there is big news coming out of Garvaghey today... and if the whatsapp messages and videos are true  :-X :-X

Seen some messages but not sure what the videos are about, never seen any of the videos. Are the WhatsApp's and messages related to same story?

Maybe there will be 2 bits of news?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 11, 2020, 04:10:39 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 11, 2020, 04:08:42 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on November 11, 2020, 04:03:47 PM
I hear there is big news coming out of Garvaghey today... and if the whatsapp messages and videos are true  :-X :-X

Seen some messages but not sure what the videos are about, never seen any of the videos. Are the WhatsApp's and messages related to same story?

Maybe there will be 2 bits of news?

Well what is your news? Jes oh!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 11, 2020, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on November 11, 2020, 04:03:47 PM
I hear there is big news coming out of Garvaghey today... and if the whatsapp messages and videos are true  :-X :-X

What?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 11, 2020, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on November 11, 2020, 04:14:20 PM
There could be a few boys in trouble alright lol. Lets just hope Brolly doesn't get a hold of the videos  ;D

As for the messages.... It is a risk but will it pay off?

What?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 04:27:12 PM
Was there a meeting in garvaghy last night?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 11, 2020, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 04:27:12 PM
Was there a meeting in garvaghy last night?

Well I hope that isn't the big news! I couldn give a monkey about the videos but they seem to be implying someone new has been brought in? Why they won't just say is beyond me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 11, 2020, 04:29:32 PM
Someone send me the craic in a message. It'll cheer me up in that weather at least.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 11, 2020, 04:30:20 PM
Ditto.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on November 11, 2020, 04:31:57 PM
Send them my way
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 04:37:20 PM
Me too cheers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 11, 2020, 04:38:29 PM
Just put it up lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JuniorBAllstar on November 11, 2020, 04:39:03 PM
Send it my way as well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 04:40:50 PM
You boys are  such gossips.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 11, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
Gee lads spill the beans!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 11, 2020, 04:47:32 PM
Me too please
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 05:04:39 PM
Did MC Guinness have harte in a head lock as they were leaving?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 11, 2020, 05:06:00 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on November 11, 2020, 05:01:16 PM
As for the messages on whatsapp it is Jimmy McGuinness coming out of Garvaghey last night. I have heard from a very reliable source he is going to take over for M Harte. This is not just gossip lads take it from me  :)

;D Aye
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 11, 2020, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 05:04:39 PM
Did MC Guinness have harte in a head lock as they were leaving?

Or was there an Axe hanging out of his back or what  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on November 11, 2020, 05:17:33 PM
As bad as they are at times they would never do that. The more I think about it though its a great idea
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 11, 2020, 07:14:31 PM
So I take it there is no actual news?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on November 11, 2020, 07:37:11 PM
This board is shocking of late for lads posting up that they heard something interesting, but not actually saying what it is they heard.

What in all seriousness is the point? Is it an attention seeking thing?

"I know something you don't know!"  ::)

I remember children in primary school behaving like that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on November 11, 2020, 07:38:53 PM
Clearly I'm a bit of a simpleton so someone of you is going to have to spit it out for me. What's going on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on November 11, 2020, 08:05:01 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on November 11, 2020, 04:59:34 PM
How do i post videos on this? Is it possible??

Samuel are you going to post this evidence alot of hopeful men here
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on November 11, 2020, 08:13:38 PM
Niall Gartland from the Ulster Herald tweeting that he's heard Harte was turned down in his request for a one year extension. He's gone then if that's the case?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 08:28:56 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on November 11, 2020, 08:13:38 PM
Niall Gartland from the Ulster Herald tweeting that he's heard Harte was turned down in his request for a one year extension. He's gone then if that's the case?
and mc Guinness seen in garvaghy same night? This could be BIG.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 11, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Someone send the info my way too cheers!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 11, 2020, 08:36:46 PM
Same as that, send it on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 11, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Has the McKenna Cup group draw been made yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on November 11, 2020, 08:38:33 PM
Ah shur I'll take it too if someone wants to forward it on. Thanks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone exile on November 11, 2020, 08:47:34 PM
send it on please
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on November 11, 2020, 08:47:44 PM
Someone upload the video to https://gofile.io/uploadFiles and share the link please!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 11, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
Hearing a former county player has said the whatsapp messages are not true
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 08:54:00 PM
Someone send me the fuckin stuff before I break this phone into shite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 11, 2020, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 08:54:00 PM
Someone send me the fuckin stuff before I break this phone into shite.

Its juicy stuff alright STG. Your day of days may not be that far off... maybe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 11, 2020, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 08:54:00 PM
Someone send me the fuckin stuff before I break this phone into shite.

Phone broke yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on November 11, 2020, 09:15:43 PM
Saw Lenny Harbinson scooting around Ballygawley roundabout earlier.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 11, 2020, 09:20:09 PM
Big Art was walking his dogs around Garvaghey the other night.....mmmmmm
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 11, 2020, 09:23:06 PM
Rumour is that Mickey may have to apply to be Tyrone manager
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 11, 2020, 09:23:06 PM
Rumour is that Mickey may have to apply to be Tyrone manager
I'd say this will happen. And surprise surprise no one will run against him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 11, 2020, 09:31:56 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: In hiding on November 11, 2020, 09:23:06 PM
Rumour is that Mickey may have to apply to be Tyrone manager
I'd say this will happen. And surprise surprise no one will run against him.

Why don't you run? If Harte is as hated as you think you'd have no problem getting a following.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 11, 2020, 09:33:28 PM
Jim Gavin seen buying a packet of monster munch from McDades this evening, heard it from a good source.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Guess what we do know is that harte is not going to do the right thing and just step down, not that I ever thought he would. Things look like getting very messy and there will be no winners at the end unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 11, 2020, 09:53:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 11, 2020, 09:44:52 PM
I'm thinking about the throngs of Tyrone talented forwards who aren't making themselves available due to Harte's negative tactics stifling them maximising their potential. The talk of Jim McGuinness must have their mouths watering.

Those talented forwards who aren't making themselves available are unlikely to find an upturn in fortunes when a new manager comes in. You can only fit some many small, slight forwards in a team at any given time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 11, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Guess what we do know is that harte is not going to do the right thing and just step down, not that I ever thought he would. Things look like getting very messy and there will be no winners at the end unfortunately.

The right thing? He is of the belief that he still is the right man for the job. What is it that makes you certain it's the right thing? Mickey may have ran his race for Tyrone and history will reflect favourably on him. But for you to constantly spout negativity towards him, yet happily jump on the band wagon when momentum built, is nothing short of pathetic.

For any rational sensible poster, when you reflect on our record since 08, I don't honestly think you can say with any real honesty that we have been underachievers. Is there any genuine year when you thought that one got away? Mickey instilled a culture of winning and not accepting anything else. That is ultimately what is causing some of the negative rhetoric towards him.

2014 aside, I genuinely don't think we have exited the championship at the hands of a vastly inferior team. People regularly throw the line of we haven't beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin etc. But could it be that we just were a level below those sides?

We don't have to search too far back in Tyrone history to see just how lucky we are to be constantly dining at the top table. Days like Derry in 97 and Sligo 02 etc just don't happen now. We are very fortunate to have had so many wonderful days following Tyrone, and maybe it might take for a spell away from that top table to realise what we had.

Mickey's journey might be up and if that's the case so be it. But some of the (and often times personal) negativity on here isn't warranted. Mickey Harte and Tyrone have given us some of the best days in our lives. Days that we never thought  would come. I for one am thankful to him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on November 11, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Guess what we do know is that harte is not going to do the right thing and just step down, not that I ever thought he would. Things look like getting very messy and there will be no winners at the end unfortunately.

The right thing? He is of the belief that he still is the right man for the job. What is it that makes you certain it's the right thing? Mickey may have ran his race for Tyrone and history will reflect favourably on him. But for you to constantly spout negativity towards him, yet happily jump on the band wagon when momentum built, is nothing short of pathetic.

For any rational sensible poster, when you reflect on our record since 08, I don't honestly think you can say with any real honesty that we have been underachievers. Is there any genuine year when you thought that one got away? Mickey instilled a culture of winning and not accepting anything else. That is ultimately what is causing some of the negative rhetoric towards him.

2014 aside, I genuinely don't think we have exited the championship at the hands of a vastly inferior team. People regularly throw the line of we haven't beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin etc. But could it be that we just were a level below those sides?

We don't have to search too far back in Tyrone history to see just how lucky we are to be constantly dining at the top table. Days like Derry in 97 and Sligo 02 etc just don't happen now. We are very fortunate to have had so many wonderful days following Tyrone, and maybe it might take for a spell away from that top table to realise what we had.

Mickey's journey might be up and if that's the case so be it. But some of the (and often times personal) negativity on here isn't warranted. Mickey Harte and Tyrone have given us some of the best days in our lives. Days that we never thought  would come. I for one am thankful to him.
I meant doing the right thing for his county, not himself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 11, 2020, 11:00:02 PM
Those dancing on Mickey's grave may be a little premature. It appears that the county board are inviting nominations for the post on a 3 year basis. I would suggest that nobody in the county will stand against Mickey and he'll be ratified for 3 more years. If they wanted rid of him they could have ratified an extra year with a view to replacing him then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/54910962fbclid=IwAR0gWAeBBg8h2souxidVDR6sLFnCeW4supcN9sp-vq6V3Ntx8S2IdJLebA8
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 11, 2020, 11:13:47 PM
What a mess......doing all of this in public. It is time for a change but in a far more dignified way than this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 11, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on November 11, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Guess what we do know is that harte is not going to do the right thing and just step down, not that I ever thought he would. Things look like getting very messy and there will be no winners at the end unfortunately.

The right thing? He is of the belief that he still is the right man for the job. What is it that makes you certain it's the right thing? Mickey may have ran his race for Tyrone and history will reflect favourably on him. But for you to constantly spout negativity towards him, yet happily jump on the band wagon when momentum built, is nothing short of pathetic.

For any rational sensible poster, when you reflect on our record since 08, I don't honestly think you can say with any real honesty that we have been underachievers. Is there any genuine year when you thought that one got away? Mickey instilled a culture of winning and not accepting anything else. That is ultimately what is causing some of the negative rhetoric towards him.

2014 aside, I genuinely don't think we have exited the championship at the hands of a vastly inferior team. People regularly throw the line of we haven't beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin etc. But could it be that we just were a level below those sides?

We don't have to search too far back in Tyrone history to see just how lucky we are to be constantly dining at the top table. Days like Derry in 97 and Sligo 02 etc just don't happen now. We are very fortunate to have had so many wonderful days following Tyrone, and maybe it might take for a spell away from that top table to realise what we had.

Mickey's journey might be up and if that's the case so be it. But some of the (and often times personal) negativity on here isn't warranted. Mickey Harte and Tyrone have given us some of the best days in our lives. Days that we never thought  would come. I for one am thankful to him.
I meant doing the right thing for his county, not himself.
But that is the point. You have been certain for a long time it is the right thing for the county and have voiced it in many vile and spiteful ways.

How do we know it is the right thing for the county. Do we forget the 100+ years previous? Whatever happens, Mickey's tenure has been a hugely positive one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 11, 2020, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 11, 2020, 11:00:02 PM
Those dancing on Mickey's grave may be a little premature. It appears that the county board are inviting nominations for the post on a 3 year basis. I would suggest that nobody in the county will stand against Mickey and he'll be ratified for 3 more years. If they wanted rid of him they could have ratified an extra year with a view to replacing him then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/54910962fbclid=IwAR0gWAeBBg8h2souxidVDR6sLFnCeW4supcN9sp-vq6V3Ntx8S2IdJLebA8

That's the way I read the situation as well. I can't see anyone that will run against him and even if there is there is no guarantee they get the job. I would be fairly certain Harte will get a further 3 years. Surely if that's the case the county board have to have some kind of succession plan in place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 11, 2020, 11:32:23 PM
If he gets more time, a succession plan simply must be in place. I think there is a steep cliff edge waiting on the other side if not. I don't understand the logic of pushing a 3 year term for any candidate. For Mickey it would be too long and a new candidate might be a complete write off after a season or two.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on November 11, 2020, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 11, 2020, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 11, 2020, 11:00:02 PM
Those dancing on Mickey's grave may be a little premature. It appears that the county board are inviting nominations for the post on a 3 year basis. I would suggest that nobody in the county will stand against Mickey and he'll be ratified for 3 more years. If they wanted rid of him they could have ratified an extra year with a view to replacing him then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/54910962fbclid=IwAR0gWAeBBg8h2souxidVDR6sLFnCeW4supcN9sp-vq6V3Ntx8S2IdJLebA8

That's the way I read the situation as well. I can't see anyone that will run against him and even if there is there is no guarantee they get the job. I would be fairly certain Harte will get a further 3 years. Surely if that's the case the county board have to have some kind of succession plan in place.

Or it could be the case that he might regard being asked to re-apply for his current role an insult and might walk away?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on November 12, 2020, 12:01:41 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 11, 2020, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 11, 2020, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 11, 2020, 11:00:02 PM
Those dancing on Mickey's grave may be a little premature. It appears that the county board are inviting nominations for the post on a 3 year basis. I would suggest that nobody in the county will stand against Mickey and he'll be ratified for 3 more years. If they wanted rid of him they could have ratified an extra year with a view to replacing him then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/54910962fbclid=IwAR0gWAeBBg8h2souxidVDR6sLFnCeW4supcN9sp-vq6V3Ntx8S2IdJLebA8

That's the way I read the situation as well. I can't see anyone that will run against him and even if there is there is no guarantee they get the job. I would be fairly certain Harte will get a further 3 years. Surely if that's the case the county board have to have some kind of succession plan in place.

Or it could be the case that he might regard being asked to re-apply for his current role an insult and might walk away?

Did they not do this dance a few years ago and the latest stint was meant to be his last? Surely they had a succession plan in place for now and this is the beginning of it??

Normally whoever's involved is lined up from a while back I find it hard to believe a CB like Tyrone are just 'inviting' nominations for the position out of the blue.

Having said that I thought O'Rourke would have been next but obviously he's not available now!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 08:26:23 AM
Derry voyeurs in here again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 12, 2020, 09:27:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 11, 2020, 11:00:02 PM
Those dancing on Mickey's grave may be a little premature. It appears that the county board are inviting nominations for the post on a 3 year basis. I would suggest that nobody in the county will stand against Mickey and he'll be ratified for 3 more years. If they wanted rid of him they could have ratified an extra year with a view to replacing him then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/54910962fbclid=IwAR0gWAeBBg8h2souxidVDR6sLFnCeW4supcN9sp-vq6V3Ntx8S2IdJLebA8

Think you have the nail on the head here. I can't see anyone running against Harte, let alone running against him and being a Tyrone man with any kind of realistic chance.

I was told the backroom staff has changed already in preparation for next season and the team themselves resume training at the end of the month on their own.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
Hope they get this sorted one way or another ASAP.

When will the deadline for nominations likely be?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Could anyone seriously, even those who back harte, be excited about him getting another 3 years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on November 12, 2020, 09:48:37 AM
think it would be quite depressing for MH to be there for another 3 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
Whatever about the outcome - this should not be out in the public domain.

Whoever is leaking it needs roaded
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on November 12, 2020, 09:54:31 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
Whatever about the outcome - this should not be out in the public domain.

Whoever is leaking it needs roaded

Leo Varadkar, no doubt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Could anyone seriously, even those who back harte, be excited about him getting another 3 years?

A one year term in the absence of any standout candidate is the most obvious solution.

A full year with McShane and McKenna together should be what he is judged on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 10:06:15 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
Whatever about the outcome - this should not be out in the public domain.

Whoever is leaking it needs roaded
I disagree, no harm in letting the public know what's going on behind the scenes within reason of course. Too many shady deals been done in garvaghy in the past. Time for transparency.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Could anyone seriously, even those who back harte, be excited about him getting another 3 years?

A one year term in the absence of any standout candidate is the most obvious solution.

A full year with McShane and McKenna together should be what he is judged on.
what if either got injured again and missed next year? Do we have to give harte another year then so he can have both available?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 12, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
Johnny mcbride stepping down from errigal ciaran... coincidence?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
Johnny mcbride stepping down from errigal ciaran... coincidence?
this would literally be the dream outcome. Harte gone from Tyrone, errigal stuck with harte for next 10 years!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 12, 2020, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
Johnny mcbride stepping down from errigal ciaran... coincidence?

Errigal were dreadful in the Championship. He was going, just a matter if walked or pushed. They are still fuming up there at the Dungannon loss.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 12, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Could anyone seriously, even those who back harte, be excited about him getting another 3 years?

I'm not excited about any of the names being suggested at the minute and that includes Jimmy McGuinness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 12, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 12, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Could anyone seriously, even those who back harte, be excited about him getting another 3 years?

I'm not excited about any of the names being suggested at the minute and that includes Jimmy McGuinness.

The million dollar question is who would excite you? The options are slim to feck all at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on November 12, 2020, 10:31:29 AM
Only name that would excite me would be Jim Gavin. Think McG is replacing like with like although at least he's new
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on November 12, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 12, 2020, 10:31:29 AM
Only name that would excite me would be Jim Gavin. Think McG is replacing like with like although at least he's new
Did McGuiness not interview a few years ago and chat about his hatred/rivalry of Tyrone? Can't see him being interested..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on November 12, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
Can't see Tyrone going for an outside manager. 

Also, if Harte was to put his name forward, who would be brave enough to stand against him. 

If they aren't careful, Tyrone could end up in the same situation as Meath did when they replaced Sean Boylan with Eamon Barry.  Anyone standing against Harte in such a situation would do well to remember what became of Barry after he challenged for the position and then only lasted one year in the role.  Meath must have had 5 managers in about 7 years after Boylan stepped down. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 12, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Could anyone seriously, even those who back harte, be excited about him getting another 3 years?

I'm not excited about any of the names being suggested at the minute and that includes Jimmy McGuinness.
your obviously boring as f**k then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!
I very like.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!

Didn't we have a failed tenure with joint managers before when Art and Eugene McKenna were at the helm.

Or who is the main man?

Doubt any of the 03-08 team will put their names forward if Harte is running out of respect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on November 12, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 12, 2020, 10:31:29 AM
Only name that would excite me would be Jim Gavin. Think McG is replacing like with like although at least he's new
Did McGuiness not interview a few years ago and chat about his hatred/rivalry of Tyrone? Can't see him being interested..

McGuinness I think would be a great appointment, the only issue is I see absolutely no way on earth Tyrone could or would pay him what he would want.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!

Didn't we have a failed tenure with joint managers before when Art and Eugene McKenna were at the helm.

Or who is the main man?

Doubt any of the 03-08 team will put their names forward if Harte is running out of respect.
[/quotemc crory/mc Kenna won our first ever national title with league in 02. They introduced alot of the new talent and set things up for harte/Tyrone to have more success at national level so hardly a failure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 12, 2020, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!
I very like.

Add McGleenon to that ticket and that could be the one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!

Didn't we have a failed tenure with joint managers before when Art and Eugene McKenna were at the helm.

Or who is the main man?

Doubt any of the 03-08 team will put their names forward if Harte is running out of respect.
[/quotemc crory/mc Kenna won our first ever national title with league in 02. They introduced alot of the new talent and set things up for harte/Tyrone to have more success at national level so hardly a failure.

They got knocked out by Sligo in the Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 12, 2020, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!
I very like.

Add McGleenon to that ticket and that could be the one.

Now that would be a very interesting management team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
Be great to see mc gleenans happy smiling face doing interviews on rte! Be a real tonic for the Gaels of Tyrone. I'm getting a hard-on thinking about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 12, 2020, 12:36:40 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 12, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
Could anyone seriously, even those who back harte, be excited about him getting another 3 years?

I'm not excited about any of the names being suggested at the minute and that includes Jimmy McGuinness.
your obviously boring as f**k then.

Yeah, maybe I should spend more time online abusing people to spice up my life.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 12, 2020, 12:36:52 PM
You'd forget this year's championship is still going on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 12, 2020, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
Be great to see mc gleenans happy smiling face doing interviews on rte! Be a real tonic for the Gaels of Tyrone. I'm getting a hard-on thinking about it.

Good man STG. I like this new optimistic viewpoint. I'm sure McGleenon will love to hear he gives you a hard on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 12, 2020, 12:36:52 PM
You'd forget this year's championship is still going on.
the real action in Tyrone starts now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on November 12, 2020, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2020, 10:15:04 AM


Johnny mcbride stepping down from errigal ciaran... coincidence?
this would literally be the dream outcome. Harte gone from Tyrone, errigal stuck with harte for next 10 years!

You do realise last time harte took Errigal they were beat in an all ireland club semi final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on November 12, 2020, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 12, 2020, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!
I very like.

Add McGleenon to that ticket and that could be the one.

I heard Adrian Cush mentioned
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 12, 2020, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: toby47 on November 12, 2020, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 12, 2020, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!
I very like.

Add McGleenon to that ticket and that could be the one.

I heard Adrian Cush mentioned

More chance of Malachi Cush.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on November 12, 2020, 02:38:54 PM
Haha or Orange Crush
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 12, 2020, 02:52:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!

Didn't we have a failed tenure with joint managers before when Art and Eugene McKenna were at the helm.

Or who is the main man?

Doubt any of the 03-08 team will put their names forward if Harte is running out of respect.

Yeah probably the same respect shown when a few of the lads have went on The Sunday Game as soon as they left the panel, and SC a regular now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 12, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
There are a lot of smart people on this board. The kind of people who would get a job in Stormont! And I mean both the Harte supporters and the knockers.
All of the names mentioned from Harte to Holmes Logan to McGleenan Dooher to Cush are great Tyrone people. Dont be rude about them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 12, 2020, 02:54:46 PM
I should definitely have included Art and Eugene in that.......Tyrone greats
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 12, 2020, 02:52:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 12, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Dungannon Could be the big losers here.... Logan Dooher and Holmes... That is the word on the street in these parts!!

Didn't we have a failed tenure with joint managers before when Art and Eugene McKenna were at the helm.

Or who is the main man?

Doubt any of the 03-08 team will put their names forward if Harte is running out of respect.

Yeah probably the same respect shown when a few of the lads have went on The Sunday Game as soon as they left the panel, and SC a regular now

Who have been on the Sunday game panel?

Cavanagh and Brian McGuigan?

The only players who have came out somewhat strongly in that period against Harte have been Cavanagh and Mulligan and even Mulligan was telling Cavanagh to wind his neck in last year over Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on November 12, 2020, 03:20:51 PM
Angelo.......mcmenamin and jordan were on it too......and you dont have to do much digging to find former players (and current players) looking for a change. We do need to start talking to the national broadcaster again. I think we need a change but with the mess it's becoming there will be nobody looking to take over!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 12, 2020, 03:20:51 PM
Angelo.......mcmenamin and jordan were on it too......and you dont have to do much digging to find former players (and current players) looking for a change. We do need to start talking to the national broadcaster again. I think we need a change but with the mess it's becoming there will be nobody looking to take over!

When was Ricey on The Sunday Game?

I hope Tyrone never talk to the national broadcaster again, they have absolutely nothing but contempt for northern nationalists and their coverage of Tyrone has been utterly despicable in the past.

What former players who played with Harte in the 03-08 sides have publicly come forward and said he should not be reappointed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 03:56:23 PM
Rte were on tyrones side until 2011. Then Mickey decided to stick his nose where it didn't belong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 03:56:23 PM
Rte were on tyrones side until 2011. Then Mickey decided to stick his nose where it didn't belong.

RTE were never on Tyrone's side. Their rhetoric has always been anti-Ulster, anti-Northern, Brolly was out on his own before 2013 defending Tyrone before changing his tune.

What sort of fantasy land did you live in when Colm O'Rourke was making insulting comments about Brian Dooher and Pat Spillane was demeaning the football Tyrone played?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: APM on November 12, 2020, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 12, 2020, 03:20:51 PM
Angelo.......mcmenamin and jordan were on it too......and you dont have to do much digging to find former players (and current players) looking for a change. We do need to start talking to the national broadcaster again. I think we need a change but with the mess it's becoming there will be nobody looking to take over!

When was Ricey on The Sunday Game?

I hope Tyrone never talk to the national broadcaster again, they have absolutely nothing but contempt for northern nationalists and their coverage of Tyrone has been utterly despicable in the past.

What former players who played with Harte in the 03-08 sides have publicly come forward and said he should not be reappointed?

Are you Mickey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 04:08:06 PM
Yes anti northern, yes anti Ulster to a degree but you couldn't say anti Tyrone specifically until after 2011.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 04:22:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 04:08:06 PM
Yes anti northern, yes anti Ulster to a degree but you couldn't say anti Tyrone specifically until after 2011.

Yes you certainly could.

We have always got horrendous coverage and continue to do so. As I said before, the only thing that changed between pre 2011 and post 2011 was Joe Brolly's opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 04:43:30 PM
Rte were all over Tyrone during the all Ireland winning years. Loads of interviews, positive coverage, it was a much celebrated team and rightly so. You can't deny things changed in 2011 are still the same if not worse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 12, 2020, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 04:43:30 PM
Rte were all over Tyrone during the all Ireland winning years. Loads of interviews, positive coverage, it was a much celebrated team and rightly so. You can't deny things changed in 2011 are still the same if not worse.

They were not.

They were consistently running down Ulster football at a time it was top dog. Brolly was the only one of their panelists who spoke out against it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 06:43:46 PM
So what turned brolly off us?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on November 12, 2020, 07:28:45 PM
He got put of the other side of the bed that morning!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 12, 2020, 07:42:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 06:43:46 PM
So what turned brolly off us?

McGleenan turns you on.... gets you all excited....could you not have kept that information to yourself?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 12, 2020, 07:42:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 06:43:46 PM
So what turned brolly off us?

McGleenan turns you on.... gets you all excited....could you not have kept that information to yourself?
it was a figure of speech for the craic. You know, craic? Any wonder you and Bennyharp love harte. Boring old fogies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 08:38:47 PM
Huge sigh of relief around Tyrone tonight. Mark harte got the errigal job so won't be taking over Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on November 12, 2020, 08:46:15 PM
Differences of opinion are healthy as long as they don't descend into personal insults and playing the man.

My view on the current managerial position is that it's a privilege to be asked to be manager of the county. It's a coveted position and Mickey achieved brilliantly in his time there, especially the first 10 years, and continued to keep Tyrone top 6. However, to hog or covet it doesn't sit well with me. Others should be given a go - often you don't know how they'll do when given the reins and sometimes someone under the radar can become the next Harte. Nearly 20 years is depriving others a chance at proving themselves at that level.

I haven't particularly enjoyed watching our style of football in quite a while now, even the run to the AI Final in 2018. The Monaghan semi-final didn't have the sense of occasion other semis did. I know that a change in management could see Tyrone slip off the radar for a year or two, or longer...but I'd take it. I don't put results over enjoyment at county level, especially at amateur level, unless you've been starved for decades and then it's a means to an end. I'd say Fermanagh wouldn't care how they won Ulster.

I know and understand the view that he deserves to stay as long as he wants. I don't agree with it at all but can see how you can come to that conclusion.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 12, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 08:38:47 PM
Huge sigh of relief around Tyrone tonight. Mark harte got the errigal job so won't be taking over Tyrone.

Think he's still got the u14 development squad though, so the seed is planted for years to come :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 12, 2020, 10:09:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 12, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
Be great to see mc gleenans happy smiling face doing interviews on rte! Be a real tonic for the Gaels of Tyrone. I'm getting a hard-on thinking about it.

  Forget it...Mattie is married to a woman ...don't think he would be interested....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on November 12, 2020, 10:18:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 12, 2020, 08:46:15 PM
Differences of opinion are healthy as long as they don't descend into personal insults and playing the man.

My view on the current managerial position is that it's a privilege to be asked to be manager of the county. It's a coveted position and Mickey achieved brilliantly in his time there, especially the first 10 years, and continued to keep Tyrone top 6. However, to hog or covet it doesn't sit well with me. Others should be given a go - often you don't know how they'll do when given the reins and sometimes someone under the radar can become the next Harte. Nearly 20 years is depriving others a chance at proving themselves at that level.

I haven't particularly enjoyed watching our style of football in quite a while now, even the run to the AI Final in 2018. The Monaghan semi-final didn't have the sense of occasion other semis did. I know that a change in management could see Tyrone slip off the radar for a year or two, or longer...but I'd take it. I don't put results over enjoyment at county level, especially at amateur level, unless you've been starved for decades and then it's a means to an end. I'd say Fermanagh wouldn't care how they won Ulster.

I know and understand the view that he deserves to stay as long as he wants. I don't agree with it at all but can see how you can come to that conclusion.

Meh. The early Harte years had their share of dirge too. Pretty much all of 03 was dirt when ya look at it bar the Ulster final. I've enjoyed a fair bit of tyrones recent matches, the super 8 win in ballybofey was as enjoyable a match as I've attended. Real good ebb and flow. And I even enjoyed that Monaghan game too. And our league matches are a lot more enjoyable than they were 10 years ago. Fells like somethings at stake in them as opposed to 10years ago when they were glorified challenge matches.

Realistically I don't see a difference in approach amongst all the top inter county teams at the minute, bar an ultra-defensive team like Fermanagh. So I don't see how a new manager will have us playing any more attractive football than we do now. He might well be more successful but it'll largely be much the same tactics.

Look at the 4 teams that made the Tyrone club semis. All played pretty much the standard gameplay that teams now employ. You could hardly argue that any of them are Cleary more attacking than the current inter county team. Realistically they're all trying to play the Dublin style of football with varying degrees of success.

I don't buy the "a change even if it's for the worse is better than nothing" argument. Look at where Meath have went post boylan, where Galway have been post o Mahoney where Armagh have been post kernan. Even Arsenal and wenger is an example. None of those teams have gotten to as good a place as the final days of each of those reigns. I'm not for giving Harte the position for life but if the players are happy to give him another 12 months and he wants to do it, given his degree of success in the past 4 years I'd find few reasons to deny him it. Not as an obligation to Harte, Tyrone obviously comes first. But looking at the alternatives, there none that offer any better chances of a successful year in the next 12 months than Harte plus a good management team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 12, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
Fair points Trileacman. I agree that any new manager wont radically change our style. What it will do will give him a clear slate with all players in the county. As we all know there are fellas knocking about that wont make themselves available whilst Harte is in charge. A fresh voice will at least bring a different dynamic. I also echo O'Neill's point in that no manager has had the honour of managing our county in over 18 years. Mickey's legacy will be legend in our county, but there is an element of obtusness that could tinge that legacy and also damage the county as a whole if this turns messy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on November 12, 2020, 10:45:54 PM
Yes, fair points trileacman. I don't agree with you, especially with your attractive football call, but it's in the eye of the beholder.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on November 12, 2020, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 12, 2020, 10:45:54 PM
Yes, fair points trileacman. I don't agree with you, especially with your attractive football call, but it's in the eye of the beholder.

Football as a whole is more unattractive that it was 10 years ago. Only really Mayo matches possess that helter-skelter, anything-could-happen quality anymore. For me all teams now play pretty much exactly the same way. Some are just better than it than others. Certainly at club level where there's a wide arrange of managers and quality in panels I haven't really see a team setup completely different to the one there facing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on November 12, 2020, 11:05:11 PM
Do you think Tyrone haven't the players to challenge that approach and set up more offensively? Kerry turned their back on it last week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on November 13, 2020, 12:35:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 12, 2020, 11:05:11 PM
Do you think Tyrone haven't the players to challenge that approach and set up more offensively? Kerry turned their back on it last week.

Need defenders. Defenders are the key to playing offensively. One of the reasons we moved to being a quite defensive team is that after Jordan, Gormley, Ricey et al passed their best we had to shore up the defence by dropping forwards back in there. After good defenders you need a way to control, maybe even dominate at midfield. Look at the Dubs and Mayo this past 10 years, they have better footballers in the back and middle 3rd than at the front.

When you have defenders who can hold their own and a middle third that dominate kickouts you can play a lot higher up the pitch and take more risks offensively. Do we have the players? I think we arguably do in defence. I rate our man-markers quite highly, McNamee I think is particularly under-rated and Breenan and even Patsy have very good defensive qualities. Rafferty has come on leaps and bounds this year and Hampsey when fit is a top level player too.

Arguably the middle 3rd is now our weakest point especially without Coly for kickouts. McGeary, McCann, McKernan, Kennedy, Sludden, P Harte, McCurry struggle quite alot around that middle 3rd this year.

It's a difficult question you've asked but the whole secret and what Harte was once so great at was recognising deficiencies in your panel/team and papering over them with tactics. As an example, for basically the entire 2000's we were shit at winning kickouts but we developed a style where we were the best team in Ireland at winning the breaking ball. Our plan was pretty much to send out a lummox to jump and break the ball out of Darragh O'Se/McGrane/Whelan's hands and we'd get Dooher, Jordan, McGuigan, McGinley to hoover up the scraps.

I think we do have the players to go very very close to winning an AI. Bar Clifford who's next level and Sean O'Se freetaking we've as good a squad as Kerry or Mayo or Donegal. Football is crying out for a new tactical paradigm though and it's long overdue. Think Armagh 02, Kerry 06, Tyrone 08, Donegal 2011, Dublin 2015 onwards. Football tactics have kinda stagnated this past 5 years. We haven't really moved on from where Dublin were in say 2015. I think there's certain some new tactical angle or approach out there that will shortly change the game substantially again. That's why the list of potentials for the Tyrone job is dissappointing. They're just a load of guys who are fairly good at understanding the game the way it currently is. None have shown a way to take it to the next level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on November 13, 2020, 07:45:06 AM
Quote from: trileacman on November 13, 2020, 12:35:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 12, 2020, 11:05:11 PM
Do you think Tyrone haven't the players to challenge that approach and set up more offensively? Kerry turned their back on it last week.

Need defenders. Defenders are the key to playing offensively. One of the reasons we moved to being a quite defensive team is that after Jordan, Gormley, Ricey et al passed their best we had to shore up the defence by dropping forwards back in there. After good defenders you need a way to control, maybe even dominate at midfield. Look at the Dubs and Mayo this past 10 years, they have better footballers in the back and middle 3rd than at the front.

When you have defenders who can hold their own and a middle third that dominate kickouts you can play a lot higher up the pitch and take more risks offensively. Do we have the players? I think we arguably do in defence. I rate our man-markers quite highly, McNamee I think is particularly under-rated and Breenan and even Patsy have very good defensive qualities. Rafferty has come on leaps and bounds this year and Hampsey when fit is a top level player too.

Arguably the middle 3rd is now our weakest point especially without Coly for kickouts. McGeary, McCann, McKernan, Kennedy, Sludden, P Harte, McCurry struggle quite alot around that middle 3rd this year.

It's a difficult question you've asked but the whole secret and what Harte was once so great at was recognising deficiencies in your panel/team and papering over them with tactics. As an example, for basically the entire 2000's we were shit at winning kickouts but we developed a style where we were the best team in Ireland at winning the breaking ball. Our plan was pretty much to send out a lummox to jump and break the ball out of Darragh O'Se/McGrane/Whelan's hands and we'd get Dooher, Jordan, McGuigan, McGinley to hoover up the scraps.

I think we do have the players to go very very close to winning an AI. Bar Clifford who's next level and Sean O'Se freetaking we've as good a squad as Kerry or Mayo or Donegal. Football is crying out for a new tactical paradigm though and it's long overdue. Think Armagh 02, Kerry 06, Tyrone 08, Donegal 2011, Dublin 2015 onwards. Football tactics have kinda stagnated this past 5 years. We haven't really moved on from where Dublin were in say 2015. I think there's certain some new tactical angle or approach out there that will shortly change the game substantially again. That's why the list of potentials for the Tyrone job is dissappointing. They're just a load of guys who are fairly good at understanding the game the way it currently is. None have shown a way to take it to the next level.

Con OCallaghan & Paul Mannion might have something to say about that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 13, 2020, 08:28:57 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on November 11, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Guess what we do know is that harte is not going to do the right thing and just step down, not that I ever thought he would. Things look like getting very messy and there will be no winners at the end unfortunately.

The right thing? He is of the belief that he still is the right man for the job. What is it that makes you certain it's the right thing? Mickey may have ran his race for Tyrone and history will reflect favourably on him. But for you to constantly spout negativity towards him, yet happily jump on the band wagon when momentum built, is nothing short of pathetic.

For any rational sensible poster, when you reflect on our record since 08, I don't honestly think you can say with any real honesty that we have been underachievers. Is there any genuine year when you thought that one got away? Mickey instilled a culture of winning and not accepting anything else. That is ultimately what is causing some of the negative rhetoric towards him.

2014 aside, I genuinely don't think we have exited the championship at the hands of a vastly inferior team. People regularly throw the line of we haven't beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin etc. But could it be that we just were a level below those sides?

We don't have to search too far back in Tyrone history to see just how lucky we are to be constantly dining at the top table. Days like Derry in 97 and Sligo 02 etc just don't happen now. We are very fortunate to have had so many wonderful days following Tyrone, and maybe it might take for a spell away from that top table to realise what we had.

Mickey's journey might be up and if that's the case so be it. But some of the (and often times personal) negativity on here isn't warranted. Mickey Harte and Tyrone have given us some of the best days in our lives. Days that we never thought  would come. I for one am thankful to him.

Did I dream 2006?

Nope, it appears not.

[url][/https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2006/0528/205141-derry/url]

I think there's another confirmed case of The Disease of Me among the bushes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on November 13, 2020, 08:41:36 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 13, 2020, 08:28:57 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on November 11, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 11, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Guess what we do know is that harte is not going to do the right thing and just step down, not that I ever thought he would. Things look like getting very messy and there will be no winners at the end unfortunately.

The right thing? He is of the belief that he still is the right man for the job. What is it that makes you certain it's the right thing? Mickey may have ran his race for Tyrone and history will reflect favourably on him. But for you to constantly spout negativity towards him, yet happily jump on the band wagon when momentum built, is nothing short of pathetic.

For any rational sensible poster, when you reflect on our record since 08, I don't honestly think you can say with any real honesty that we have been underachievers. Is there any genuine year when you thought that one got away? Mickey instilled a culture of winning and not accepting anything else. That is ultimately what is causing some of the negative rhetoric towards him.

2014 aside, I genuinely don't think we have exited the championship at the hands of a vastly inferior team. People regularly throw the line of we haven't beat Mayo, Kerry or Dublin etc. But could it be that we just were a level below those sides?

We don't have to search too far back in Tyrone history to see just how lucky we are to be constantly dining at the top table. Days like Derry in 97 and Sligo 02 etc just don't happen now. We are very fortunate to have had so many wonderful days following Tyrone, and maybe it might take for a spell away from that top table to realise what we had.

Mickey's journey might be up and if that's the case so be it. But some of the (and often times personal) negativity on here isn't warranted. Mickey Harte and Tyrone have given us some of the best days in our lives. Days that we never thought  would come. I for one am thankful to him.

Did I dream 2006?

Nope, it appears not.

[url][/https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2006/0528/205141-derry/url]

I think there's another confirmed case of The Disease of Me among the bushes.

No you didn't dream 2006 and even 2007 for that matter. But when those years are cushioned by All Ireland's in 05 and 08 then people tend not to complain.

I probably should have been clearer, but I was referring to the time period between Tyrones last All Ireland and  modern day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: downjim on November 13, 2020, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 12, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
Fair points Trileacman. I agree that any new manager wont radically change our style. What it will do will give him a clear slate with all players in the county. As we all know there are fellas knocking about that wont make themselves available whilst Harte is in charge. A fresh voice will at least bring a different dynamic. I also echo O'Neill's point in that no manager has had the honour of managing our county in over 18 years. Mickey's legacy will be legend in our county, but there is an element of obtusness that could tinge that legacy and also damage the county as a whole if this turns messy.

Hi Omagh gael, can you name the players who won't make themselves available because MH is in charge? And would they make a difference to the team as I would likely say they would not?
Mickey Harte is the best about men, A change in coaching with introduce ideas but you had plenty of chances to win that game v Donegal and Mickey were not kicking for scores.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on November 13, 2020, 09:01:35 AM
@Niall_Gartland


Feargal Logan and Collie Holmes are the most likely candidates for the Tyrone job. Lot of chatter that Harte won't be putting his name forward but nothing official on that at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2020, 09:02:41 AM
Rumours down Here Holmes and Logan are running against each other both with 2 other men with them....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2020, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on November 13, 2020, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 13, 2020, 09:02:41 AM
Rumours down Here Holmes and Logan are running against each other both with 2 other men with them....

If you believe everything you read on whatsapp then we're breaking the bank for Jim Gavin or Jimmy McGuinness. But, knowing this county board, we'll end up with Gavin McGuinness.

I understand that i think Logan and Holmes are more realistic to be fair.... Time will tell...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 13, 2020, 07:45:06 AM
Quote from: trileacman on November 13, 2020, 12:35:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 12, 2020, 11:05:11 PM
Do you think Tyrone haven't the players to challenge that approach and set up more offensively? Kerry turned their back on it last week.

Need defenders. Defenders are the key to playing offensively. One of the reasons we moved to being a quite defensive team is that after Jordan, Gormley, Ricey et al passed their best we had to shore up the defence by dropping forwards back in there. After good defenders you need a way to control, maybe even dominate at midfield. Look at the Dubs and Mayo this past 10 years, they have better footballers in the back and middle 3rd than at the front.

When you have defenders who can hold their own and a middle third that dominate kickouts you can play a lot higher up the pitch and take more risks offensively. Do we have the players? I think we arguably do in defence. I rate our man-markers quite highly, McNamee I think is particularly under-rated and Breenan and even Patsy have very good defensive qualities. Rafferty has come on leaps and bounds this year and Hampsey when fit is a top level player too.

Arguably the middle 3rd is now our weakest point especially without Coly for kickouts. McGeary, McCann, McKernan, Kennedy, Sludden, P Harte, McCurry struggle quite alot around that middle 3rd this year.

It's a difficult question you've asked but the whole secret and what Harte was once so great at was recognising deficiencies in your panel/team and papering over them with tactics. As an example, for basically the entire 2000's we were shit at winning kickouts but we developed a style where we were the best team in Ireland at winning the breaking ball. Our plan was pretty much to send out a lummox to jump and break the ball out of Darragh O'Se/McGrane/Whelan's hands and we'd get Dooher, Jordan, McGuigan, McGinley to hoover up the scraps.

I think we do have the players to go very very close to winning an AI. Bar Clifford who's next level and Sean O'Se freetaking we've as good a squad as Kerry or Mayo or Donegal. Football is crying out for a new tactical paradigm though and it's long overdue. Think Armagh 02, Kerry 06, Tyrone 08, Donegal 2011, Dublin 2015 onwards. Football tactics have kinda stagnated this past 5 years. We haven't really moved on from where Dublin were in say 2015. I think there's certain some new tactical angle or approach out there that will shortly change the game substantially again. That's why the list of potentials for the Tyrone job is dissappointing. They're just a load of guys who are fairly good at understanding the game the way it currently is. None have shown a way to take it to the next level.

Con OCallaghan & Paul Mannion might have something to say about that

Mannion does an awful lot of dog work in his own full back line. Can recall a Super 8s game in Omagh where he was the last man back getting a tackle in to deny McShane a goal when he was named at corner forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
I'd have a preference for Logan over Holmes if they were the two main candidates.

The feather in Holmes cap is the u17 AI which was basically a B competition he won with a very talented squad. He was only part of the Dungannon backroom team so hard to say how much of a role he played.

Has Logan managed anyone since the u21s? Presumably he'd be looking to have Dooher back on the management team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 09:50:00 AM
Quote from: toby47 on November 13, 2020, 09:01:35 AM
@Niall_Gartland


Feargal Logan and Collie Holmes are the most likely candidates for the Tyrone job. Lot of chatter that Harte won't be putting his name forward but nothing official on that at this stage.

Harte has the hump, but if he runs, he will be the manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
Whether Harte goes or not I really hope we uphold our media ban with RTE until such time they give a full and frank apology for the scurrilous coverage they have Tyrone GAA, their players and management over the course of the past 20 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
Whether Harte goes or not I really hope we uphold our media ban with RTE until such time they give a full and frank apology for the scurrilous coverage they have Tyrone GAA, their players and management over the course of the past 20 years.
cop yourself on. The county is trying to move forward not go back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
Whether Harte goes or not I really hope we uphold our media ban with RTE until such time they give a full and frank apology for the scurrilous coverage they have Tyrone GAA, their players and management over the course of the past 20 years.
cop yourself on. The county is trying to move forward not go back.

Cop myself on?

RTE has consistently slurred and demeaned Tyrone football for over 20 years.

Sean Cavanagh, Tiernan McCann, Mickey Harte and his family, Brian Dooher all mocked, abused and trashed live on RTE over the years.

Our football and success consistently tarnished and diminished by RTE pundits and broadcasters.

Scurrilous allegations of Tyrone football being made throughout the years with little basis.

You look at the incident with a Tyrone minor player having his name dragged through the mud in recent years, the Tyrone u21s in 2015 success being demeaned when we were actually more sinned against that sinners.

RTE are f**king pigdogs of the highest order and I'd hope that the Tyrone county board show a bit of integrity and refuse to deal with them until such time as a frank and extensive apology is issued for their coverage over that time, Mickey Harte or no Mickey Harte.

Compare that to the treatment of other counties and other players. RTE pundits silently sitting on their hands looking at each other awkwardly when Aidan O'Shea dives to send Fermanagh out of the Championship while Tiernan McCann was asked to apologise.

Am I surprised at you sticking up for them? I am not, what you said about Michael McKernan on the main board was absolutely disgraceful and shows you for the nasty and spiteful individual you are.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
It's always everyone else's fault with you. Blame rte, blame the ref every time we are beat. Any wonder we are hated at the minute. Let's hope the new manager can clean up our act and help change the narrative against us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 10:58:15 AM
I can't imagine what this thread would be like with no Mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 11:08:26 AM
Hopefully things won't be as toxic and the county will unite behind the new manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
It's always everyone else's fault with you. Blame rte, blame the ref every time we are beat. Any wonder we are hated at the minute. Let's hope the new manager can clean up our act and help change the narrative against us.

No.

It's just completely unbalanced coverage. RTE have been absolutely toxic in their coverage of Tyrone.

But you are the type of toxic personality that makes vitriolic and poisonous comments about your own county men based on baseless allegations and innuendo. What you said about McKernan last week was utterly disgraceful and your comments previously on Mickey Harte were completely beyond the pale.

You are a very sad inidividual.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 11:55:00 AM
Says the guy the guy they nicknamed 'dr death' in the coronavirus thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 12:13:57 PM
Anyway I'm not letting Angelo drag me down to his level. So Niall gartland seems to be the man with his finger on the pulse. He says Logan and Holmes running for the job separately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: samuel maguire on November 13, 2020, 12:27:13 PM
Tyrone deserve all the criticism they get from rte imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on November 13, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
It's always everyone else's fault with you. Blame rte, blame the ref every time we are beat. Any wonder we are hated at the minute. Let's hope the new manager can clean up our act and help change the narrative against us.

No.

It's just completely unbalanced coverage. RTE have been absolutely toxic in their coverage of Tyrone.

I'd say most players would be happy to engage with RTE and quite a few were frustrated at not being able to under Harte's regime.

But you are the type of toxic personality that makes vitriolic and poisonous comments about your own county men based on baseless allegations and innuendo. What you said about McKernan last week was utterly disgraceful and your comments previously on Mickey Harte were completely beyond the pale.

You are a very sad inidividual.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 13, 2020, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on November 13, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
It's always everyone else's fault with you. Blame rte, blame the ref every time we are beat. Any wonder we are hated at the minute. Let's hope the new manager can clean up our act and help change the narrative against us.

No.

It's just completely unbalanced coverage. RTE have been absolutely toxic in their coverage of Tyrone.

I'd say most players would be happy to engage with RTE and quite a few were frustrated at not being able to under Harte's regime.

But you are the type of toxic personality that makes vitriolic and poisonous comments about your own county men based on baseless allegations and innuendo. What you said about McKernan last week was utterly disgraceful and your comments previously on Mickey Harte were completely beyond the pale.

You are a very sad inidividual.

National coverage and exposure is needed to maintain a positive view from others. They'll blame each other, has anyone really won??

And STG - you are 100% with your opinion on Angelo

"It's always everyone else's fault with you". He doesnt like any opinion that isnt his own
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 13, 2020, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on November 13, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
It's always everyone else's fault with you. Blame rte, blame the ref every time we are beat. Any wonder we are hated at the minute. Let's hope the new manager can clean up our act and help change the narrative against us.

No.

It's just completely unbalanced coverage. RTE have been absolutely toxic in their coverage of Tyrone.

I'd say most players would be happy to engage with RTE and quite a few were frustrated at not being able to under Harte's regime.

But you are the type of toxic personality that makes vitriolic and poisonous comments about your own county men based on baseless allegations and innuendo. What you said about McKernan last week was utterly disgraceful and your comments previously on Mickey Harte were completely beyond the pale.

You are a very sad inidividual.

National coverage and exposure is needed to maintain a positive view from others. They'll blame each other, has anyone really won??

And STG - you are 100% with your opinion on Angelo

"It's always everyone else's fault with you". He doesnt like any opinion that isnt his own

I don't like people slurring others behind their back in a cowardly manner based on pure and utter conjecture and bitterness.

You seem to be another one of those very snide posters with a lot to say based on absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 13, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Holmes, overall manager
S oNeill, for the forwards-- Ricey for the backs
Tony Donnelly for his knowledge
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JoG2 on November 13, 2020, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 13, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Holmes, overall manager
S oNeill, for the forwards-- Ricey for the backs
Tony Donnelly for his knowledge

Employed elsewhere
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 13, 2020, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 12:13:57 PM
Anyway I'm not letting Angelo drag me down to his level. So Niall gartland seems to be the man with his finger on the pulse. He says Logan and Holmes running for the job separately.

Bet you would love to have Big Mattie, STG , eh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on November 13, 2020, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 13, 2020, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 13, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Holmes, overall manager
S oNeill, for the forwards-- Ricey for the backs
Tony Donnelly for his knowledge

Employed elsewhere

Dungiven? Or somewhere else?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: JoG2 on November 13, 2020, 06:31:04 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on November 13, 2020, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 13, 2020, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on November 13, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Holmes, overall manager
S oNeill, for the forwards-- Ricey for the backs
Tony Donnelly for his knowledge

Employed elsewhere

Dungiven? Or somewhere else?

Antrim as McGinleys no 2 is he not? Or should I say is he nat?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2020, 07:15:29 PM
Ryan Daly mentioned
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on November 13, 2020, 07:19:56 PM
Hopefully see a rake of lads going for it.

Who has the final say on who gets it? Do you trust their knowledge and judgement?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 13, 2020, 07:57:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Niall_Gartland/status/1327338734380064772

Don't write the obituaries yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Combsy on November 13, 2020, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 13, 2020, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on November 13, 2020, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 13, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
It's always everyone else's fault with you. Blame rte, blame the ref every time we are beat. Any wonder we are hated at the minute. Let's hope the new manager can clean up our act and help change the narrative against us.

No.

It's just completely unbalanced coverage. RTE have been absolutely toxic in their coverage of Tyrone.

I'd say most players would be happy to engage with RTE and quite a few were frustrated at not being able to under Harte's regime.

But you are the type of toxic personality that makes vitriolic and poisonous comments about your own county men based on baseless allegations and innuendo. What you said about McKernan last week was utterly disgraceful and your comments previously on Mickey Harte were completely beyond the pale.

You are a very sad inidividual.

National coverage and exposure is needed to maintain a positive view from others. They'll blame each other, has anyone really won??

And STG - you are 100% with your opinion on Angelo

"It's always everyone else's fault with you". He doesnt like any opinion that isnt his own

I don't like people slurring others behind their back in a cowardly manner based on pure and utter conjecture and bitterness.

You seem to be another one of those very snide posters with a lot to say based on absolutely nothing.

Points all well made Angelo.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 13, 2020, 09:31:38 PM
Harte has gone.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40082006.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: pbat on November 13, 2020, 09:32:12 PM
Mickeys gone according to Irish News
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on November 13, 2020, 09:33:36 PM
Tweet from the Irish News saying Harte has confirmed he's leaving his position as Tyrone manager in an interview with Brendan Crossan in this weekends paper.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 13, 2020, 09:35:52 PM
Well that's that. What an era! Will go down as the greatest manager in Tyrone football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 13, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on November 13, 2020, 09:33:36 PM
Tweet from the Irish News saying Harte has confirmed he's leaving his position as Tyrone manager in an interview with Brendan Crossan in this weekends paper.

No wonder his column today was so glowing today. Mickey had give him his retirement interview.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 09:42:48 PM
So many great, great memories under Harte.

A legend of Tyrone GAA. All the best Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 13, 2020, 09:44:58 PM
Farewell Mickey Harte - Legend

Thankfully he didn't try to fight and make the process messy. He will forever be a Tyrone GAA legend but the time was right for a change.

The next man in has an unenviable task to follow MH. Almost like following Fergie at united and that's not going to well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jeremiah O on November 13, 2020, 09:49:40 PM
Farewell and good luck to the greatest manager we've ever had.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 13, 2020, 09:55:43 PM
Some memories, some legacy, and some manager was Mickey Harte -- ádh mór ort a chara. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on November 13, 2020, 10:09:13 PM
Just heard :o

Total Legend Mickey!

Thanks for the memories and bringing us to the Promised Land, we're eternally indebted
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 13, 2020, 10:09:26 PM
It's been a pleasure to follow Mickey Harte's Tyrone teams over the years. Yes there have been frustrating times but that will always be outweighed by the best of days in 2003, 2005 and 2008. Thanks for the memories, Mickey! Lets hope he gets the respect he deserves over the coming days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 13, 2020, 10:29:16 PM
Mickeys a legend.

County board should have agreed to his proposal and it was poor form. I'll be happy to see a change all the same to see if we can play a different style at least.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: onlyonefut on November 13, 2020, 10:52:03 PM
I am old enough to remember the days when we won nothing. A huge thank you to Mickey Harte and I wish him well going forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on November 13, 2020, 10:55:52 PM
What will mickey do now is that him done with all mangement.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 13, 2020, 11:08:26 PM
I watched a video of the 05 final during the lockdown and the interview at the end where Harte breaks down when talking about Cormac would touch a raw nerve with you. His views might not have been to the liking of everyone but I think he was a very warm man deep down, I think he did an awful lot for a lot of those players outside their football lives.

I'm not sure how many GAA managers would have touched someone like McCarron after his past but Mickey did an awful lot to get him back and find some meaning in his life.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on November 13, 2020, 11:09:50 PM
Gutted,  big mistake from Tyrone, one more non covid year under Mickey would have been good, he at least deserved that!! We will struggle to replace him, change isnt always for the best. Look at Manchester United and Arsenal for examples. Not always easy replacing massively successful managers,  no one will do for Tyrone what Mickey has done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: From the Bunker on November 13, 2020, 11:33:28 PM
In 18 years


3 All Irelands
1 National League
6 Ulster
12 McKenna Cups

In the last 10 years


2 Ulsters
8 McKenna Cups

Mickey is one of the best. Some say he had the players. And I would not disagree. He definitely had a great bunch circa 2002-2008. But it is doubtful that group would have won AI titles without him. He got the upper hand on a very good Kerry team of that era. The next generations were not as much up to speed. Ways and tactics of old are not as effective anymore. Probably stayed 5 years too long, but what do I know?


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: restorepride on November 13, 2020, 11:34:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 13, 2020, 10:09:26 PM
It's been a pleasure to follow Mickey Harte's Tyrone teams over the years. Yes there have been frustrating times but that will always be outweighed by the best of days in 2003, 2005 and 2008. Thanks for the memories, Mickey! Lets hope he gets the respect he deserves over the coming days.
Can I also say that it has been a pleasure as an Ulsterman/Derry man to have enjoyed those years and some of the performances were simply outstanding - Stephen O'Neill, Dooher, Brian McGuigan, Cormac, Mulligan and Canavan etc - quality stuff.  He will of course get the respect he deserves - anyone who knows the soul and grassroots of the GAA has utmost respect for what he achieved.  As for the rest - either jealous or ignorant.  I supported Tír Eoghain in Croke Park in 1984, 1986, 1989, 1995 and 1996 but it was under Mickey that the  breakthrough was made and for that he will always be honoured.   Gael go smior.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 13, 2020, 11:58:42 PM
He did stay too long and the manner of his departure is unfortunate, but Mickey Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone GAA. Yes he did have hugely gifted players in his first decade as manager but he also played a significant role in developing those players, on and off the field. Those teams had talent but they also had a belief that previous Tyrone teams had lacked. Mickey was key to that.

His 2005 team was one of best I've ever seen but perhaps his 2008 team was his greatest achievement. PtG was gone, SON retired, Mugsy out of form and shape, and Brian McGuigsan reduced by his injuries. Yet Mickey made the very most of his remaining marquee players while also getting more than seemed possible from others on the panel. Truly a team which was greater than the sum of it's parts. A remarkable achievement.

In a way that greatest achievement also marked the start of the decline. He then, understandably perhaps, went back to his tried and trusted lieutenants rather than letting the team develop, and didn't have great success in bringing through players from other successful underage teams. Losing to the McGuinness Donegal team got to him badly and shaped the way he tried to rebuild the new team of the past few years, a team to me which never really had a clear identity or consistent plan after being thumped by the Dubs in 2017. All that said, his teams were consistently involved in the latter stages of the championship.

A man who was absolutely pivotal to the greatest era in Tyrone's history and a man who has handled himself with such integrity and dignity, and through times of huge personal loss. Thanks Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 14, 2020, 07:05:01 AM
Farewell Mr Harte, just as a potentially great forward-line is coming through. 

Ironically in his final year, Tyrone finally beat Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (in  the League). 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 14, 2020, 08:29:59 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 14, 2020, 07:05:01 AM
Farewell Mr Harte, just as a potentially great forward-line is coming through. 

Ironically in his final year, Tyrone finally beat Dublin, Kerry and Mayo (in  the League).

I would have liked to see one more year, with mckenna. Canavan and mcshane in full swing.
Hopefully whoever replaces him is able to utilise those lads well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on November 14, 2020, 08:31:43 AM
He should have got one more year - this year was a mess with 6 months of it in lockdown, he was owed another year really.
The mouth pieces on here (minority of Tyrone people, but very loud)
Well those mouth pieces - buy into the English Football mentality of just sacking people.
They will be the same mouth pieces who will be calling for the new management team to be sacked if they lose their first game. They will be the same mouth pieces who will call for him to be brought back in 3/4 years time.
They contribute nothing to Football in Tyrone, except hiding their names on a message board, saying things they would not say face to face.
He will be spoke off in a 100 years time, people will still know his name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 08:42:15 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on November 14, 2020, 08:31:43 AM
He should have got one more year - this year was a mess with 6 months of it in lockdown, he was owed another year really.
The mouth pieces on here (minority of Tyrone people, but very loud)
Well those mouth pieces - buy into the English Football mentality of just sacking people.
They will be the same mouth pieces who will be calling for the new management team to be sacked if they lose their first game. They will be the same mouth pieces who will call for him to be brought back in 3/4 years time.
They contribute nothing to Football in Tyrone, except hiding their names on a message board, saying things they would not say face to face.
He will be spoke off in a 100 years time, people will still know his name.

I think you overestimate the power and reach of this message board  ;)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on November 14, 2020, 08:58:46 AM
I also think he deserved another year. He showed as a manager that where he had great forwards he would let them play and we now have the makings of a decent forward line again. This year was a write off and another year of football and with a dry sod next summer and a full panel to pick from, would have allowed him to show what he could do with a quality forward line. I do think he got the best out of the players he had in recent seasons and kept Tyrone football ultra competitive. It is so easy to slip down the pecking order and be a forgotten county. He was always going to step aside at some time but given that year that we have had, I think another season would have been entirely justified.

You would have to imagine that he won't step away from football altogether. Can't see him going to another county. Is it a clean break?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on November 14, 2020, 09:27:01 AM
What a fantastic servant Mickey has been to Tyrone football at all levels. Under his stewardship he has taken Tyrone to the highest level and ensured that expectations are now always on achieving things we just dreamed off before his arrival. Ultimately that success has been his downfall though.

With that greater expectation comes the demand for continued success. Granted we lost a once in a lifetime group of players from the noughties, and rebuilt to still consistently be in the top 4/5 years year out, but we never looked like challenging the top teams on the big day since 2008.

I'm glad to see he didn't put his name forward for the interview process. Things have ended badly enough for him without going through that possible failure.

That being said, with all the sentimentality you will read on here and in the pagers over the coming days, I do think it was the right time for a change of management. I feel there are 5/6 players of this team that have went a bit stale the last few years. Though still in their mid to late 20s, I believe now is the time to to kickstart another push. Donnelly, Harte, Sludden, McKernan, Hampsey don't  seem to be the same players they were. I believe we've a team that can really push on. Now's the time to see if we can do that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 14, 2020, 11:29:31 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 14, 2020, 10:41:22 AM
I'd say it was time for a change alright. Although, I can't help thinking that there will be a "you don't know what you've got til it's gone" feeling in Tyrone over the next few years. The next man in has some job on his hands. Harte's Tyrone lost some games that they could have won in the past few years but they weren't complete gimmes. He consistently brought Tyrone to their potential IMO and maybe didn't get a pile of luck along the way. To go beyond where he has taken the current team is probably to win the AI. I don't think the players they have are good enough to do that and perhaps the expectations are simply too high. A few years of ripping through managers and regressing as a result might be the reality check that is required.

The expectations will be high for the new man. Next season we will probably have our best forward unit since 05.

I hope a change can take some of the pressure off Peter Harte's shoulders now and he is able to fulfill his potential on a more consistent basis.

When you have been in a job that long you naturally have some loyalty to certain players and there's quite a few there that probably haven't been good enough that Harte has persisted with. In saying that Harte has proven an awful lot of people wrong over the years with faith in guys like Colm Cavanagh and more recently Cathal McShane and how much they improved under his faith and patience.

The squad needs an overhaul and I'm not sure if Harte would have been the man for that.

Many people have laid the blame at his door for guys like Lee Brennan, Coney, O'Neill not developing as they should but we'll see now. We should definitely see Lee Brennan back in a Tyrone jersey and we'll see if Harte really was the reason for things not working out.

Do we see anyone from the club scene getting a nomination? Maybe O'Hagan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 14, 2020, 12:26:12 PM
Personally think the time is right to step aside. Leaves whoever the new management set up with the oldest players on the panel Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte at 30 - so the age profile of the squad is very good with them boys still a good age with a few years left in the tank, the 2015 U21 team at the peak of their powers and the last 2 Under 20 teams also there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....

Think you maybe wrong also. What were the years of the 5 ulster titles you refer to? By the way, I agree on your sentiment about Big Art who was a brilliant manager in a dog fight era of Ulster KO football but I think he only has 4 USFC titles - 84, 86, 95 & 96. Maybe I am wrong and apologies if I am
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 12, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
There are a lot of smart people on this board. The kind of people who would get a job in Stormont! And I mean both the Harte supporters and the knockers.
All of the names mentioned from Harte to Holmes Logan to McGleenan Dooher to Cush are great Tyrone people. Dont be rude about them.

Just reading this page after the MH announcement to see the comments. Scrolled through several pages and Agree totally with above comment - some people on here are just ignorant. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaagaagaa20 on November 14, 2020, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....

Think you maybe wrong also. What were the years of the 5 ulster titles you refer to? By the way, I agree on your sentiment about Big Art who was a brilliant manager in a dog fight era of Ulster KO football but I think he only has 4 USFC titles - 84, 86, 95 & 96. Maybe I am wrong and apologies if I am
2001 Also, as well as our first national league in 2002
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 14, 2020, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....

Think you maybe wrong also. What were the years of the 5 ulster titles you refer to? By the way, I agree on your sentiment about Big Art who was a brilliant manager in a dog fight era of Ulster KO football but I think he only has 4 USFC titles - 84, 86, 95 & 96. Maybe I am wrong and apologies if I am
2001. Beat Cavan in the Ulster final. Lost to Derry in the All Ireland Quarter final having previously beat them in the Ulster Semi Final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....

Think you maybe wrong also. What were the years of the 5 ulster titles you refer to? By the way, I agree on your sentiment about Big Art who was a brilliant manager in a dog fight era of Ulster KO football but I think he only has 4 USFC titles - 84, 86, 95 & 96. Maybe I am wrong and apologies if I am

Yea you are wrong but no problem apology accepted
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....

Think you maybe wrong also. What were the years of the 5 ulster titles you refer to? By the way, I agree on your sentiment about Big Art who was a brilliant manager in a dog fight era of Ulster KO football but I think he only has 4 USFC titles - 84, 86, 95 & 96. Maybe I am wrong and apologies if I am

Yea you are wrong but no problem apology accepted

My bad - some record by Big Art, a great man
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 14, 2020, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....

Think you maybe wrong also. What were the years of the 5 ulster titles you refer to? By the way, I agree on your sentiment about Big Art who was a brilliant manager in a dog fight era of Ulster KO football but I think he only has 4 USFC titles - 84, 86, 95 & 96. Maybe I am wrong and apologies if I am

Yea you are wrong but no problem apology accepted

Ulster 2001 as well... local Expert...you should try to be a bit more pleasant..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 01:39:59 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 14, 2020, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....

Think you maybe wrong also. What were the years of the 5 ulster titles you refer to? By the way, I agree on your sentiment about Big Art who was a brilliant manager in a dog fight era of Ulster KO football but I think he only has 4 USFC titles - 84, 86, 95 & 96. Maybe I am wrong and apologies if I am

Yea you are wrong but no problem apology accepted

Ulster 1989 as well... local Expert...you should try to be a bit more pleasant..

1989 was Donal Donnelly as far as I remember, not Big Art
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 14, 2020, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 14, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 14, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 14, 2020, 09:04:39 AM
Harte will forever be a legend in Tyrone who brought so much to all our lives. I was lucky enough to be 18 when we won our 1st AI and for the rips to Dublin alone and the memories created i owe him a huge debt of gratitude. We were spoilt beyond anything we'd experienced.

That man has been touched by enough tragedy to floor ten men and he still stood tall. Some may have disagreed with him and, especially one here, personally dragged his name through the mud but he still kept us on the edge of the top table during an unprecedented time of domination by one team.

I'll finish off with this stolen from Paul Fitzpatrick on twitter:

If Mickey Harte had only taken over Tyrone in 2009, his subsequent four Ulster titles and one All-Ireland final appearance would still make him their greatest ever manager.

Sums it up, really

Considering art macrory won 5 ulster titles and got to 2 all ireland finals with no back door available shows paul fitzpatrick and you are both wrong....

Think you maybe wrong also. What were the years of the 5 ulster titles you refer to? By the way, I agree on your sentiment about Big Art who was a brilliant manager in a dog fight era of Ulster KO football but I think he only has 4 USFC titles - 84, 86, 95 & 96. Maybe I am wrong and apologies if I am

Yea you are wrong but no problem apology accepted

Ulster 1989 as well... local Expert...you should try to be a bit more pleasant..

You're wrong as well Jim Bob but no harm done  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 14, 2020, 03:14:27 PM
Rumours about Tally heading back home.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on November 14, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
you would hand back all those mckenna cups for another all ireland
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 15, 2020, 04:09:24 AM
If you thought we played bad football this year, wait to you see what Tally would have in store for us. One of the most negative managers in the game. Excellent trainer, no doubt, but not the man for the big job in my opinion if we're looking to try and utilise our current crop of forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2020, 09:41:42 AM
If Harte was looking one final, full term. Tyrone should probably have given him it considering what 2020 was in his actual final year.

Lots of rumours going around currently about whos in and whos with who and what the playing squad might have contributed......I don't do much social media but I've not come across any current player post anything about Harte? I would have thought I'd see a few things. I seen Joey McMahon, Jordan, Mulligan etc.

What is the realistic goal next year for any new manager? I think the knives will be out if they don't win Ulster and / or get to an All Ireland Semi Final. With a squad overhaul very likely next year might be a very mixed bag.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on November 15, 2020, 10:52:55 AM
There's plenty of chat about potential replacements for Harte at the minute and Fergal Logan seems to be one of the most prominent ones. Other than the U21 victory, what else do we know about him?

I know very little about him other than managing his own club. I'm not convinced that he's the man but, like I say, I don't know a great deal about him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 15, 2020, 11:08:43 AM
It's hard to believe that Tyrone will have knocked back Mickey's request for a further year without have a successor in mind. Fergal Logan may well be a decent guy and did a good job with the U21s but I would question how any person of sane mind could look at his managerial record in the past 5 years and think that it qualifies him to even be in the conversation for this job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on November 15, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
What was Mickeys CV like before he was appointed. He had done a good job with the minors.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on November 15, 2020, 11:17:53 AM
Sounds reasonable to think he might get another year but I'd be sick if I'd have to watch them again under harte. Prepared to take a few steps back to take a few more steps forward. Thanks for the memories mickey, a great manager. He got us over the line. People say but we had a great group of players. We had great groups before and couldn't get over the line. In saying that it's time for a change
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 15, 2020, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 15, 2020, 09:41:42 AM
If Harte was looking one final, full term. Tyrone should probably have given him it considering what 2020 was in his actual final year.

Lots of rumours going around currently about whos in and whos with who and what the playing squad might have contributed......I don't do much social media but I've not come across any current player post anything about Harte? I would have thought I'd see a few things. I seen Joey McMahon, Jordan, Mulligan etc.

What is the realistic goal next year for any new manager? I think the knives will be out if they don't win Ulster and / or get to an All Ireland Semi Final. With a squad overhaul very likely next year might be a very mixed bag.

Instagram is where the current players have paid tribute to Harte. I've seen the likes of the Donnellys, McShane and Meyler put up tributes to Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 15, 2020, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: bannside on November 15, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
What was Mickeys CV like before he was appointed. He had done a good job with the minors.

Just saying.

Are you being serious?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on November 15, 2020, 11:25:58 AM
Quote from: bannside on November 15, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
What was Mickeys CV like before he was appointed. He had done a good job with the minors.

Just saying.

Won the Ulster Club with Errigal Ciaran.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 15, 2020, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: bannside on November 15, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
What was Mickeys CV like before he was appointed. He had done a good job with the minors.

Just saying.

😂😂🙄🙄
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on November 15, 2020, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 15, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
What was Mickeys CV like before he was appointed. He had done a good job with the minors.

Just saying.

How old are you? 12?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Tyrone need to appoint an experienced inter county manager, to control expectations and maintain the team at the highest level. Malachy O Rourke is the stand out candidate in this respect, lives in Tyrone. Great knowledge of the players already. He would have high expectations of bringing further success to the team. Throw in  F.Logan , C.Holmes , R Mc Menamin into the coaching team, to move the county forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Tyrone need to appoint an experienced inter county manager, to control expectations and maintain the team at the highest level. Malachy O Rourke is the stand out candidate in this respect, lives in Tyrone. Great knowledge of the players already. He would have high expectations of bringing further success to the team. Throw in  F.Logan , C.Holmes , R Mc Menamin into the coaching team, to move the county forward.

Malachy O'Rourke recently took on the Glen job in Derry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Tyrone need to appoint an experienced inter county manager, to control expectations and maintain the team at the highest level. Malachy O Rourke is the stand out candidate in this respect, lives in Tyrone. Great knowledge of the players already. He would have high expectations of bringing further success to the team. Throw in  F.Logan , C.Holmes , R Mc Menamin into the coaching team, to move the county forward.

Malachy O'Rourke recently took on the Glen job in Derry.

So you think, Tyrone haven't the option of approaching Malachy O Rourke because he has taken over in Glen  or is it unreasonable to think Glen could get a different manager .

Either way, an experienced manager for Tyrone is needed, it ain't the time to appoint a novice !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 15, 2020, 01:39:41 PM
Would Gavin Devlin be an option i have seen his name mentioned nowhere!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Impressed with Down so far.

They have done exceptionally well on the Cavan kickout and look very well trained. A good performance against Donegal will probably put Tally as favourite for the job.

Wasn't there a few posters on here saying Mooney was average? He's easily one of the best footballers in Ulster right now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 15, 2020, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Impressed with Down so far.

They have done exceptionally well on the Cavan kickout and look very well trained. A good performance against Donegal will probably put Tally as favourite for the job.

Wasn't there a few posters on here saying Mooney was average? He's easily one of the best footballers in Ulster right now.

Tally out!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 15, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 15, 2020, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Impressed with Down so far.

They have done exceptionally well on the Cavan kickout and look very well trained. A good performance against Donegal will probably put Tally as favourite for the job.

Wasn't there a few posters on here saying Mooney was average? He's easily one of the best footballers in Ulster right now.

Tally out!!
Not much of that aged well
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on November 15, 2020, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Impressed with Down so far.

They have done exceptionally well on the Cavan kickout and look very well trained. A good performance against Donegal will probably put Tally as favourite for the job.

Wasn't there a few posters on here saying Mooney was average? He's easily one of the best footballers in Ulster right now.


It usually takes a bit of time to get real value from someone's quotes but this has taken minutes. Love it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:31:34 PM
It was some collapse but Down were architects of their own downfall with the missed goal chances. Mooney, Johnson and Poland all had glorious goal chances to put that game to bed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on November 15, 2020, 03:47:58 PM
Thanks for all you've brought to the county M Harte
But, if you use the analogy of " only as good as your last game " unfortunately it's not a good memory,
The Donegal game was lost on the line, so, yes it was the time for a new manager
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 15, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Tyrone need to appoint an experienced inter county manager, to control expectations and maintain the team at the highest level. Malachy O Rourke is the stand out candidate in this respect, lives in Tyrone. Great knowledge of the players already. He would have high expectations of bringing further success to the team. Throw in  F.Logan , C.Holmes , R Mc Menamin into the coaching team, to move the county forward.

Malachy O'Rourke recently took on the Glen job in Derry.

So you think, Tyrone haven't the option of approaching Malachy O Rourke because he has taken over in Glen  or is it unreasonable to think Glen could get a different manager .

Either way, an experienced manager for Tyrone is needed, it ain't the time to appoint a novice !
Yes orouke has got to be the preferred candidate. Tally was never a contender, certainly not in as manager anyway.
An ulster title within 2 years would be the minimum I'd expect with the new management, whoever they are. In theory we should have a much stronger squad available next year presuming everyone puts themselves forward
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 15, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Tyrone need to appoint an experienced inter county manager, to control expectations and maintain the team at the highest level. Malachy O Rourke is the stand out candidate in this respect, lives in Tyrone. Great knowledge of the players already. He would have high expectations of bringing further success to the team. Throw in  F.Logan , C.Holmes , R Mc Menamin into the coaching team, to move the county forward.

Malachy O'Rourke recently took on the Glen job in Derry.

So you think, Tyrone haven't the option of approaching Malachy O Rourke because he has taken over in Glen  or is it unreasonable to think Glen could get a different manager .

Either way, an experienced manager for Tyrone is needed, it ain't the time to appoint a novice !
Yes orouke has got to be the preferred candidate. Tally was never a contender, certainly not in as manager anyway.
An ulster title within 2 years would be the minimum I'd expect with the new management, whoever they are. In theory we should have a much stronger squad available next year presuming everyone puts themselves forward

Gaa people are getting like soccer people now. Give him a set period of time or he's out!!

Does anybody think it's always the manager's fault?

Anybody ever think the players just aren't good enough...yet?

Same today with Tally, all his fault is it? When do players actually show a bit of metal 10 mins into the second half and try to wrestle control back.

People talk about kickouts - do you really think the manager is telling a senior inter-county player where to kick the kick out to every time?

Get real.  Players need to take some responsibility.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 15, 2020, 08:22:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 15, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Tyrone need to appoint an experienced inter county manager, to control expectations and maintain the team at the highest level. Malachy O Rourke is the stand out candidate in this respect, lives in Tyrone. Great knowledge of the players already. He would have high expectations of bringing further success to the team. Throw in  F.Logan , C.Holmes , R Mc Menamin into the coaching team, to move the county forward.

Malachy O'Rourke recently took on the Glen job in Derry.

So you think, Tyrone haven't the option of approaching Malachy O Rourke because he has taken over in Glen  or is it unreasonable to think Glen could get a different manager .

Either way, an experienced manager for Tyrone is needed, it ain't the time to appoint a novice !
Yes orouke has got to be the preferred candidate. Tally was never a contender, certainly not in as manager anyway.
An ulster title within 2 years would be the minimum I'd expect with the new management, whoever they are. In theory we should have a much stronger squad available next year presuming everyone puts themselves forward

Gaa people are getting like soccer people now. Give him a set period of time or he's out!!

Does anybody think it's always the manager's fault?

Anybody ever think the players just aren't good enough...yet?

Same today with Tally, all his fault is it? When do players actually show a bit of metal 10 mins into the second half and try to wrestle control back.

People talk about kickouts - do you really think the manager is telling a senior inter-county player where to kick the kick out to every time?

Get real.  Players need to take some responsibility.
Were above did anyone say about a set period of time or he's out you moron. Then you go off on a rant about kick outs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 09:43:19 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 15, 2020, 08:22:42 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 15, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Tyrone need to appoint an experienced inter county manager, to control expectations and maintain the team at the highest level. Malachy O Rourke is the stand out candidate in this respect, lives in Tyrone. Great knowledge of the players already. He would have high expectations of bringing further success to the team. Throw in  F.Logan , C.Holmes , R Mc Menamin into the coaching team, to move the county forward.

Malachy O'Rourke recently took on the Glen job in Derry.

So you think, Tyrone haven't the option of approaching Malachy O Rourke because he has taken over in Glen  or is it unreasonable to think Glen could get a different manager .

Either way, an experienced manager for Tyrone is needed, it ain't the time to appoint a novice !
Yes orouke has got to be the preferred candidate. Tally was never a contender, certainly not in as manager anyway.
An ulster title within 2 years would be the minimum I'd expect with the new management, whoever they are. In theory we should have a much stronger squad available next year presuming everyone puts themselves forward

Gaa people are getting like soccer people now. Give him a set period of time or he's out!!

Does anybody think it's always the manager's fault?

Anybody ever think the players just aren't good enough...yet?

Same today with Tally, all his fault is it? When do players actually show a bit of metal 10 mins into the second half and try to wrestle control back.

People talk about kickouts - do you really think the manager is telling a senior inter-county player where to kick the kick out to every time?

Get real.  Players need to take some responsibility.
Were above did anyone say about a set period of time or he's out you moron. Then you go off on a rant about kick outs.


Have a quiet word with yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Million on November 16, 2020, 09:04:56 AM
Mickey just on Radio Ulster there, seems a shame he didn't get the extra year based on what he was saying. Very well spoken as always, the man who masterminded it all, a legend whose shoes will be very hard to fill by the eventual successor.

Unfortunately all good things must come to an end. He mentioned about making the players better people, obviously failed with the Instagram dog accounts a couple of players have!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:38:47 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 15, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 15, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Tyrone need to appoint an experienced inter county manager, to control expectations and maintain the team at the highest level. Malachy O Rourke is the stand out candidate in this respect, lives in Tyrone. Great knowledge of the players already. He would have high expectations of bringing further success to the team. Throw in  F.Logan , C.Holmes , R Mc Menamin into the coaching team, to move the county forward.

Malachy O'Rourke recently took on the Glen job in Derry.

So you think, Tyrone haven't the option of approaching Malachy O Rourke because he has taken over in Glen  or is it unreasonable to think Glen could get a different manager .

Either way, an experienced manager for Tyrone is needed, it ain't the time to appoint a novice !
Yes orouke has got to be the preferred candidate. Tally was never a contender, certainly not in as manager anyway.
An ulster title within 2 years would be the minimum I'd expect with the new management, whoever they are. In theory we should have a much stronger squad available next year presuming everyone puts themselves forward

Gaa people are getting like soccer people now. Give him a set period of time or he's out!!

Does anybody think it's always the manager's fault?

Anybody ever think the players just aren't good enough...yet?

Same today with Tally, all his fault is it? When do players actually show a bit of metal 10 mins into the second half and try to wrestle control back.

People talk about kickouts - do you really think the manager is telling a senior inter-county player where to kick the kick out to every time?

Get real.  Players need to take some responsibility.

The work on kickouts is done on the training ground. If you look at the Down game yesterday, in the second half the Down keeper kept bombing it down on the right flank and Cavan kept winning them. The top management teams will have plans and strategies to deal with this rather than repeating something that keeps going wrong. Donegal blew Armagh away in about a 5 minute spell yesterday due to their kickout dominance.

I think its something whoever the new manager is will have to do a serious amount of work with us on. If you look at the last three games against Donegal we've played - we have got eaten alive on kickouts that went long into the middle of the field. We're not very good at chasing games, tight games when we're a few points down and have to go and win that primary possession.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannslide on November 16, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
Looking from the outside in here but following with interest.

Feargal Logan has been hotly tipped as the man to take over in Tyrone along with his back room team from 2015 all Ireland success.

Who exactly does this involve and where have they been since then?

Massive pressure on this new ticket to deliver within their initial 2 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 16, 2020, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: bannslide on November 16, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
Looking from the outside in here but following with interest.

Feargal Logan has been hotly tipped as the man to take over in Tyrone along with his back room team from 2015 all Ireland success.

Who exactly does this involve and where have they been since then?

Massive pressure on this new ticket to deliver within their initial 2 years.

It was Logan, with Brian Dooher and Peter Canavan as selectors I believe. No idea what Dooher has been doing in football, I think maybe still with some of the development teams in some capacity? Canavan is obviously on the TV.

Lorcan Martin was in that set up too, he recently led Edendork to an Intermediate Double as a manager in his own right. He was the S+C coach at the time, I don't know how Harte leaving affects Jonny Davies role in the set up - I assume that means he's out too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 16, 2020, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 16, 2020, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: bannslide on November 16, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
Looking from the outside in here but following with interest.

Feargal Logan has been hotly tipped as the man to take over in Tyrone along with his back room team from 2015 all Ireland success.

Who exactly does this involve and where have they been since then?

Massive pressure on this new ticket to deliver within their initial 2 years.

It was Logan, with Brian Dooher and Peter Canavan as selectors I believe. No idea what Dooher has been doing in football, I think maybe still with some of the development teams in some capacity? Canavan is obviously on the TV.

Lorcan Martin was in that set up too, he recently led Edendork to an Intermediate Double as a manager in his own right. He was the S+C coach at the time, I don't know how Harte leaving affects Jonny Davies role in the set up - I assume that means he's out too.

Would he not be self emplyed contracted in ??

Was Logan not over stewartstown recently and didnt deliver much??
Dooher no idea
Canavan handy Sky commitments
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannslide on November 16, 2020, 03:24:33 PM
I thought that Peter Donnelly was also involved with that set up. He'd hardly now make another return to his own county after the the Monaghan disaster?

Was Brian Dooher with his own club or has he done anything of note since this?

You'd imagine that if Lurcan Martin has had success with Edendork that he'll want to stay there with potential of Ulster club maybe making a return in early 2021 which has been rumoured or maybe now is the best time to leave and join Tyrone after having a very successful season.

Seems that there are a lot of uncertainties around whole be involved and what experience they actually have.

Would Liam Donnelly be a potential selector?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 16, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Cavanagh with a poor tribute to Harte on the Sunday Game last night. Lucky to inherit those minor teams? Wise up Sean.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 16, 2020, 03:54:53 PM
Quote from: bannslide on November 16, 2020, 03:24:33 PM
I thought that Peter Donnelly was also involved with that set up. He'd hardly now make another return to his own county after the the Monaghan disaster?

Was Brian Dooher with his own club or has he done anything of note since this?

You'd imagine that if Lurcan Martin has had success with Edendork that he'll want to stay there with potential of Ulster club maybe making a return in early 2021 which has been rumoured or maybe now is the best time to leave and join Tyrone after having a very successful season.

Seems that there are a lot of uncertainties around whole be involved and what experience they actually have.

Would Liam Donnelly be a potential selector?

Couldn't see it with the sons being involved in the set up. Same issue as Canavan and indeed Mickey and nephew Peter. Not worth the headache, even though both are probably starters if fit, no questions asked.

I don't think Dooher has had anything to do with CNG since retirement, but maybe some of the posters from that club could verify further.

As for Jonny Davies / Peter Donnelly. Davies was taken in because Donnelly could only offer part time. Reading between the lines, Davies is a full time employee, but under what terms probably could get something like that from the Tyrone site. He was part of Mickey Hartes team, Mickey is now gone so you assume by that so is Gavin Devlin, Davies and your man Madden. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 16, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 16, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Cavanagh with a poor tribute to Harte on the Sunday Game last night. Lucky to inherit those minor teams? Wise up Sean.

Cavanagh really is letting himself down a bagful on a consistent basis ever since he's retired from county football. Has there ever been a player in the GAA that's went down so much in the estimations of their own county's supporters after retiring from playing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 16, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 16, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Cavanagh with a poor tribute to Harte on the Sunday Game last night. Lucky to inherit those minor teams? Wise up Sean.

Cavanagh really is letting himself down a bagful on a consistent basis ever since he's retired from county football. Has there ever been a player in the GAA that's went down so much in the estimations of their own county's supporters after retiring from playing?

Cavanagh is a bit of an idiot, great player but as you said it's hard take to him on TV though it was finally good to see someone giving that w**ker O'Rourke some home truths.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on November 16, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 16, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 16, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Cavanagh with a poor tribute to Harte on the Sunday Game last night. Lucky to inherit those minor teams? Wise up Sean.

Cavanagh really is letting himself down a bagful on a consistent basis ever since he's retired from county football. Has there ever been a player in the GAA that's went down so much in the estimations of their own county's supporters after retiring from playing?

Cavanagh is a bit of an idiot, great player but as you said it's hard take to him on TV though it was finally good to see someone giving that w**ker O'Rourke some home truths.

WoW

We actually finally agree on something. Cavanagh is all about self promotion
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 16, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 16, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 16, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Cavanagh with a poor tribute to Harte on the Sunday Game last night. Lucky to inherit those minor teams? Wise up Sean.

Cavanagh really is letting himself down a bagful on a consistent basis ever since he's retired from county football. Has there ever been a player in the GAA that's went down so much in the estimations of their own county's supporters after retiring from playing?

Cavanagh is a bit of an idiot, great player but as you said it's hard take to him on TV though it was finally good to see someone giving that w**ker O'Rourke some home truths.

WoW

We actually finally agree on something. Cavanagh is all about self promotion

What did he say to O'Royrke??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 16, 2020, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 16, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 16, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 16, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Cavanagh with a poor tribute to Harte on the Sunday Game last night. Lucky to inherit those minor teams? Wise up Sean.

Cavanagh really is letting himself down a bagful on a consistent basis ever since he's retired from county football. Has there ever been a player in the GAA that's went down so much in the estimations of their own county's supporters after retiring from playing?

Cavanagh is a bit of an idiot, great player but as you said it's hard take to him on TV though it was finally good to see someone giving that w**ker O'Rourke some home truths.

WoW

We actually finally agree on something. Cavanagh is all about self promotion

What did he say to O'Royrke??

Reminded him W about Meaths dirty antics v Tyrone in AISF 1996

Is was that match that more than any got  Tyrone to man up and realise that if you want to win an All Ireland then you've gotta go in where it hurts and give as good as you get and more....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 07:37:02 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 16, 2020, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 16, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 16, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 16, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Cavanagh with a poor tribute to Harte on the Sunday Game last night. Lucky to inherit those minor teams? Wise up Sean.

Cavanagh really is letting himself down a bagful on a consistent basis ever since he's retired from county football. Has there ever been a player in the GAA that's went down so much in the estimations of their own county's supporters after retiring from playing?

Cavanagh is a bit of an idiot, great player but as you said it's hard take to him on TV though it was finally good to see someone giving that w**ker O'Rourke some home truths.

WoW

We actually finally agree on something. Cavanagh is all about self promotion

What did he say to O'Royrke??

O'Rourke went off on a tangent about how Tyrone conducted themselves and Cavanagh was quick to remind him about Meath players standing on heads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 16, 2020, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: Club boi on November 16, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on November 16, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 16, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Cavanagh with a poor tribute to Harte on the Sunday Game last night. Lucky to inherit those minor teams? Wise up Sean.

Cavanagh really is letting himself down a bagful on a consistent basis ever since he's retired from county football. Has there ever been a player in the GAA that's went down so much in the estimations of their own county's supporters after retiring from playing?

Cavanagh is a bit of an idiot, great player but as you said it's hard take to him on TV though it was finally good to see someone giving that w**ker O'Rourke some home truths.

WoW

We actually finally agree on something. Cavanagh is all about self promotion

I thought his message was absolutely fine. But to give context micky harte questioned Sean  Cavanaghs character years ago in regards the 09 semi final after he dragged tyrone to an all ireland in 2008.  So in my eyes he's more than entitled to be sore about it (if he even is).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 09:31:36 AM
Niall gartland reckons it's looking like a Logan, with Holmes and dooher plus Ryan Daly joined ticket.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 17, 2020, 10:37:40 AM
That opens up a few club jobs at Club Level.

Ryan Daly left Carrickmore awhile ago didn't he? Collie Holmes was Clarkes manager in all but name.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 17, 2020, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 17, 2020, 10:37:40 AM
That opens up a few club jobs at Club Level.

Ryan Daly left Carrickmore awhile ago didn't he? Collie Holmes was Clarkes manager in all but name.

Stewartstown will be on the lookout for a new manager as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inowbest on November 17, 2020, 12:00:05 PM
Will also leave the Minors needing a new management. Could Mickey take up the reigns there? Who would be the main contenders for that post?what about the u20s? Is Devlin's tenure up as well?

In relation to MH, the abuse that he takes on this board is nothing short of disgraceful (not that it will bother him) but some on here need to wise up. I'll be interested to see if results don't go the way of the new manager will they get so much abuse. Hopefully he will get involved in the club now. It would be some boost for children to have MH taking them for a coaching session.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 17, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 09:31:36 AM
Niall gartland reckons it's looking like a Logan, with Holmes and dooher plus Ryan Daly joined ticket.

If we insist on keeping it within the County and given the candidates available + willingness to do the job then that seems a pretty decent Mgt team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 12:57:02 PM
I'd be happy enough with that too. Is Ryan Daly a coach? Carrick more man? Was he an academy coach?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on November 17, 2020, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 12:57:02 PM
I'd be happy enough with that too. Is Ryan Daly a coach? Carrick more man? Was he an academy coach?

If you where from Tyrone you"d know the answer to your three questions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 01:39:21 PM
Quote from: Peter john on November 17, 2020, 01:35:15 PM
STG knows f**k all about tyrone gaa,only thing he ever says on this board is Get Harte Out,Mickley must've dropped him,an absolute gabshite
my persistence paid off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 01:42:57 PM
Peter John, maybe you should stick to the Antrim thread as I see most of your posts are there. Good lad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 17, 2020, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 12:57:02 PM
I'd be happy enough with that too. Is Ryan Daly a coach? Carrick more man? Was he an academy coach?

He's been managing Carrickmore seniors for the past few years, very progressive coach with an attacking outlook. Brought through a lot of players over the past few years that Carrickmore might look back on and thank him for laying the groundwork later on. He's a Carrickmore man and been in and around their youth teams for a right while. He was at one of those Tyrone academies alright too. Think he was in charge of Armagh Harps when they won Armagh there a few years back before taking Carmen seniors.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 02:33:19 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 17, 2020, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 12:57:02 PM
I'd be happy enough with that too. Is Ryan Daly a coach? Carrick more man? Was he an academy coach?

He's been managing Carrickmore seniors for the past few years, very progressive coach with an attacking outlook. Brought through a lot of players over the past few years that Carrickmore might look back on and thank him for laying the groundwork later on. He's a Carrickmore man and been in and around their youth teams for a right while. He was at one of those Tyrone academies alright too. Think he was in charge of Armagh Harps when they won Armagh there a few years back before taking Carmen seniors.

Wasn't Daly in with Holmes on the U17 management team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 17, 2020, 02:40:58 PM
You are probably right, not too knowledgeable about the academies or if u17 is even the academy range
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 02:59:38 PM
I'm nearly sure Daly was one of the top coaches in the academy. He left with few others coaches few years ago over something?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on November 17, 2020, 03:37:45 PM
I think there'll be a few posters who'll experience very serious existential crises when things settle down now that the Mickey Harte deep state has been brought to an end.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 03:43:28 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on November 17, 2020, 03:37:45 PM
I think there'll be a few posters who'll experience very serious existential crises when things settle down now that the Mickey Harte deep state has been brought to an end.
I've had a couple of them at me already. 2021 is the dawn of an exciting new era for Tyrone football. All aboard!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 17, 2020, 06:06:20 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 09:31:36 AM
Niall gartland reckons it's looking like a Logan, with Holmes and dooher plus Ryan Daly joined ticket.

You must be gutted it's not McGleenan as his big smiley face gives you a hard on according to you in a previous post...  too much information StG..

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 17, 2020, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: referee on November 17, 2020, 06:52:56 PM
STG has Peaderjohn got under your skin lol
nah just don't like people coming from the Antrim forum and giving guff. Otherwise I'm happy out! Might buy myself a new Tyrone jersey next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on November 18, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
Some pressure on the new management if they don't deliver a McKenna early doors.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 18, 2020, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 18, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
Some pressure on the new management if they don't deliver a McKenna early doors.

Absolutely. If they don't they mightn't make the first league game #loganout
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 20, 2020, 12:29:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 18, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
Some pressure on the new management if they don't deliver a McKenna early doors.

Au contraire, failing abysmally the the Mc Kenna, for a change, might be seen as an unremittingly positive omen!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 20, 2020, 09:19:26 AM
I'd like to see a host of new faces for the McKenna Cup. No point in the likes of the Donnelly's, Brennan, McGeary's, Hampsey and the likes playing....at least in the group stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 20, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 20, 2020, 09:19:26 AM
I'd like to see a host of new faces for the McKenna Cup. No point in the likes of the Donnelly's, Brennan, McGeary's, Hampsey and the likes playing....at least in the group stage.

I'd say it's unlikely there'll be a McKenna Cup. Talk of a shortened league starting late February. With championship starting April and to be finished early July. County players will then be available for clubs. Looks reasonable enough under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on November 20, 2020, 10:32:57 AM
Looks like will start
Feb - regional national league
April championship (straight KO)
All over July

Very difficult task for whoever new manger is.
Hard to get set up / tactics etc in place - especially under Covid restrictions
He would need at least a years grace - from supporters to get up and running
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on November 20, 2020, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on November 20, 2020, 10:32:57 AM
Looks like will start
Feb - regional national league
April championship (straight KO)
All over July

Very difficult task for whoever new manger is.
Hard to get set up / tactics etc in place - especially under Covid restrictions
He would need at least a years grace - from supporters to get up and running

There is due to be a back door next year. Super 8s are out though
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 20, 2020, 06:09:35 PM
If they are running for the Championship to be finished by the end of Aug, they should be more than capable of starting the league in March and concluding a normal season by the that time, it's 6 months - 7 rounds of league and about 7 rounds of Championship at most.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jimbop on November 22, 2020, 10:00:12 PM
Any idea when the 2021 ulster championship draw is?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on November 22, 2020, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: Jimbop on November 22, 2020, 10:00:12 PM
Any idea when the 2021 ulster championship draw is?

Whenever it is it will be Donegal v Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inowbest on November 23, 2020, 10:49:24 AM
Nominations for posts in by today. Anyone hearing any names being mentioned to go against Logan with the seniors? Any other names put forward for the U20s?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 23, 2020, 08:37:36 PM
Didn't take Mickey long  :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 23, 2020, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 23, 2020, 08:37:36 PM
Didn't take Mickey long  :o
Mickey and horse have found their level.lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 23, 2020, 09:45:47 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 23, 2020, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 23, 2020, 08:37:36 PM
Didn't take Mickey long  :o
Mickey and horse have found their level.lol

At least it's not in the gutter like yours.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 24, 2020, 03:28:45 PM
Any word on last night nominations?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 12:09:38 PM
So Fergal Logan v Mickey Donnelly for the hot seat?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 25, 2020, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 12:09:38 PM
So Fergal Logan v Mickey Donnelly for the hot seat?

Niall Gartland (who broke the news on Harte) saying Stephen Rochford formerly of Mayo Heartbreak and current Donegal Coach is in for it.

Don't know how that works, I thought it had to be a Tyrone man. But who knows. Some club in Tyrone must have nominated him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jablue on November 25, 2020, 12:32:54 PM
I have heard from an extremely reliable source Christopher Rafferty will be joining the back room staff. I know him and Logan are close through work. It looks to be Logan, Dooher, Holmes and Rafferty. Surely a big blow for Dungannon?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 25, 2020, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 12:09:38 PM
So Fergal Logan v Mickey Donnelly for the hot seat?

Niall Gartland (who broke the news on Harte) saying Stephen Rochford formerly of Mayo Heartbreak and current Donegal Coach is in for it.

Don't know how that works, I thought it had to be a Tyrone man. But who knows. Some club in Tyrone must have nominated him.

According to the BBC report it's Donnelly and Logan to interview tonight with a decision after that. Though Gartland you would think be closer to the ground so may well be the case about Rochford. Hard to see them going outside the county.

I'd be surprised if Logan and whatever back room team assembled wasn't named.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
Fergal Logan a free run at it with a team of Dooher, Holmes, McMahon and Pete Donnelly back in according to radio Ulster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 25, 2020, 05:50:41 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
Fergal Logan a free run at it with a team of Dooher, Holmes, McMahon and Pete Donnelly back in according to radio Ulster.

Sounds good to me, wishing the lads the best of luck!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 06:01:42 PM
Yeah decent lineup. I'm sure that's a management team everyone can get behind in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on November 25, 2020, 07:09:39 PM
Mc Mahon not with Fermanagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 25, 2020, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on November 25, 2020, 07:09:39 PM
Mc Mahon not with Fermanagh?
think that was just a sideline. Main bucks with clogher.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 25, 2020, 09:25:55 PM
Best of luck to Fergal and Brian. Exciting times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 09:50:47 PM
Best of luck.

Surprised to see a joint management setup, generally don't think these type of ventures are too successful.

Hopefully they can bring a freshness to the squad and new ideas. Dooher is one of our greats and I'm sure he will be a big inspiration to a lot of our younger players?

Is Dooher an uncle of McShane's or something like that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on November 25, 2020, 09:55:06 PM
Brian's dad and Cathal's dad are first cousins
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 25, 2020, 10:03:09 PM
Good luck to them. Highly respected men and have worked with a number of the current panelists previously. Deserve time now to put their stamp on the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on November 25, 2020, 10:05:35 PM
Mickey Donnelly was in the running? ;D The man is dying to be a county manager ;D applied for the derry job last year then applied for the tyrone job weeks after becoming Ardboe manager. He has no shame
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on November 25, 2020, 10:17:55 PM
Good luck to them both.
Difficult time to take over, team meetings, training weekends etc, all be very challenging in these Covid times. Hard then to get their ideas, set up etc - implemented. They way say the likes of McGuiness did in Donegal.
They deserve a complete by ball in at least the first year - no matter how things go as football set up has changed in Covid times. Harte has said that they had not even met up indoors for the 4 weeks before Donegal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on November 25, 2020, 10:32:17 PM
Is Paul Devlin still in charge of the u20s
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on November 25, 2020, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 09:50:47 PM
Best of luck.

Surprised to see a joint management setup, generally don't think these type of ventures are too successful.

Hopefully they can bring a freshness to the squad and new ideas. Dooher is one of our greats and I'm sure he will be a big inspiration to a lot of our younger players?

Is Dooher an uncle of McShane's or something like that?

Has Dooher managed any clubs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 26, 2020, 08:07:51 AM
All the best to the management team. I'd have like to have seen a bit more experience and level of success in whoever replaced Harte but there wasn't many options out there. One thing is for sure it is a group of men that are all great Tyrone men and if they fail it won't be for a lack of effort. I have worries about the management team but will be fully behind them anyway and hope for the best.

A shake up of the panel won't do any harm. You'd imagine some of the following forwards will be called up/recalled - Paul Donaghy, Lee Brennan, Michael Conroy, Tiarnan Quinn, Danny McNulty, Conor McAliskey. Not sure if any of them would be guaranteed starters at this stage but they'd certainly add a bit of strength and depth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 26, 2020, 08:09:47 AM
Dooher and Logan won the u21 All Ireland with Tyrone. They had 2 other less successful years with them. Can anyone confirm what other teams they've managed? What years was Logan with Stewartstown?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on November 26, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
He was the main man with stewartstown with the season just played though can take very little from this season. Clarshack will be able to confirm other involvement I think he's been in the backroom teams possibly he certainly was in their success in the noughties.

I think they'll be successful enough. I certainly wouldn't be expecting a huge shift in tactics from what we've seen with Mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 26, 2020, 09:36:08 AM
tbh there a largely untested mgmt team at this level, Logan has played the safety card by bringing in a team around him so collectively responsibility, bar a low key Donaghmore tilt and Stewartstown I don't recall any other jobs he's had outside the 21s, Dooher managed his club for a year I think.. Holmes and Donnelly prob got the better CVs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 26, 2020, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 25, 2020, 10:05:35 PM
Mickey Donnelly was in the running? ;D The man is dying to be a county manager ;D applied for the derry job last year then applied for the tyrone job weeks after becoming Ardboe manager. He has no shame

He has a strong CV
An Ulster minor and U20 with two counites
Senior championship with Mayobridge
Mac Rory & Hogan Cups

in my view its strong than Dooher and Logans. Your comment sounds personal rather based on fact.Nominated does not mean you applied, its means a club put your name forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on November 26, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
Quote from: square_ball on November 26, 2020, 08:23:41 AM
He was the main man with stewartstown with the season just played though can take very little from this season. Clarshack will be able to confirm other involvement I think he's been in the backroom teams possibly he certainly was in their success in the noughties.

I think they'll be successful enough. I certainly wouldn't be expecting a huge shift in tactics from what we've seen with Mickey Harte.

Feargal was with Paddy Park in the years 2003 - 2007 when we went from Junior to Senior and also winning an Ulster Junior and reaching an All-Ireland final along the way. He would have been involved too when our u-21's won Grade 1 in 2016. Feargal has been pretty much at the centre of any success Stewartstown have had over the years and I also wouldn't read much into this season.
Overall as a package it's a good management team especially with Holmes and Donnelly in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 26, 2020, 10:20:34 AM
Peter Donnelly coming back on a part time basis is a strange one, surely this is a full time post these days unless Collie Holmes plans to take the majority of field work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 26, 2020, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 26, 2020, 10:20:34 AM
Peter Donnelly coming back on a part time basis is a strange one, surely this is a full time post these days unless Collie Holmes plans to take the majority of field work.

Not really sure.

Was Davies not just with the senior team last year? So I'd imagine it's Donnelly in the same capacity now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 26, 2020, 11:20:45 AM
Are Holmes and Peter Donnelly confirmed in the backroom team?

As far as I'm aware Matthew Walsh and Mark Kavanagh are the only players who started the 2015 U21 final who have yet to play at senior level for Tyrone, think the rest have all played McKenna, League or Championship for Tyrone at some point.

Think Walsh would definitely be worth a callup with his performances for Dungannon this year.

Interesting times ahead in any case.

If the likes of Brennan, McAliskey etc are coming back into the fold then it's hard to see how they can keep all the likes of McCurry, Bradley, Canavan, McAliskey and Brennan happy with game time. There's going to be form players and the other guys are going to just have to work hard and be patient.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandloo on November 26, 2020, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 26, 2020, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 25, 2020, 10:05:35 PM
Mickey Donnelly was in the running? ;D The man is dying to be a county manager ;D applied for the derry job last year then applied for the tyrone job weeks after becoming Ardboe manager. He has no shame

He has a strong CV
An Ulster minor and U20 with two counites
Senior championship with Mayobridge
Mac Rory & Hogan Cups

in my view its strong than Dooher and Logans. Your comment sounds personal rather based on fact.Nominated does not mean you applied, its means a club put your name forward.

+1 KYMI
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 26, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
I'm very happy with the new management team and wish them the very best of luck. Should unite the county and help us move forward. Can't wait to start attending games again when covid pisses off. Any word on sponsors for next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 26, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 26, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
I'm very happy with the new management team and wish them the very best of luck. Should unite the county and help us move forward. Can't wait to start attending games again when covid pisses off. Any word on sponsors for next year?

Starting to like you STG.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on November 26, 2020, 02:46:05 PM
So who all is involved in the back room team? Obviously Logan and Dooher, then Collie Holmes.

Who else? Ryan Daly or Joe McMahon?

Anyone else?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Eire90 on November 26, 2020, 02:48:29 PM
so how much money will new tyrone manager  be getting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 26, 2020, 03:34:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 26, 2020, 02:48:29 PM
so how much money will new tyrone manager  be getting
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How much did the last one get?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone95 on November 26, 2020, 03:59:45 PM
Who done the training the time Logan and Dooher had the u21s?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on November 26, 2020, 04:01:08 PM
Quote from: Tyrone95 on November 26, 2020, 03:59:45 PM
Who done the training the time Logan and Dooher had the u21s?

Lorcan Martin
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hoopdreams on November 26, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
Lorcan did the S&C , wasn't the trainer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 26, 2020, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: hoopdreams on November 26, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
Lorcan did the S&C , wasn't the trainer

Would Peter Donnelly not have been involved for the S&C?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 26, 2020, 06:41:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 26, 2020, 11:20:45 AM
Are Holmes and Peter Donnelly confirmed in the backroom team?

As far as I'm aware Matthew Walsh and Mark Kavanagh are the only players who started the 2015 U21 final who have yet to play at senior level for Tyrone, think the rest have all played McKenna, League or Championship for Tyrone at some point.

Think Walsh would definitely be worth a callup with his performances for Dungannon this year.

Interesting times ahead in any case.

If the likes of Brennan, McAliskey etc are coming back into the fold then it's hard to see how they can keep all the likes of McCurry, Bradley, Canavan, McAliskey and Brennan happy with game time. There's going to be form players and the other guys are going to just have to work hard and be patient.

Based on his championship performances against Donnelly and Harte I would have him in there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2020, 04:55:01 PM
Great to see Logan and dooher interviewed on rte! Starting on a very positive note.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on November 27, 2020, 05:01:02 PM
Disappointing to see Logan and Dooher giving those RTE bastards the time of day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on November 27, 2020, 05:14:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 27, 2020, 05:01:02 PM
Disappointing to see Logan and Dooher giving those RTE bastards the time of day.

😂 😂, you're just like trump re the us election. Give it up, that battle is over. There's a new sheriff in town.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on November 27, 2020, 05:30:20 PM
I've no time for rte but unfortunately they are the national broadcaster so we are as well having them for us than against us. We will reap the benefits down the line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 28, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2020, 04:55:01 PM
Great to see Logan and dooher interviewed on rte! Starting on a very positive note.

Had to be better than that amateur shit show tyrone TV put together in the changing rooms  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on November 28, 2020, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 28, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2020, 04:55:01 PM
Great to see Logan and dooher interviewed on rte! Starting on a very positive note.

Had to be better than that amateur shit show tyrone TV put together in the changing rooms  ::)

That was some embarrassment, echoey changing room, awful sound, scruffy interviewers, mundane questions. Of all the places they could have used in a multi million pound training centre they went to the changing rooms. Garvaghey was also referred to as 'Tyrone Centre of Excellence' a term very much refuted by Tyrone GAA. So amateur for a first official interview.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jablue on November 28, 2020, 01:40:33 PM
Clonoe must have some money about them, bringing in mcgurn alonh with stevie mcdollar. I could see them going to division 2 in a few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 28, 2020, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on November 28, 2020, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 28, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2020, 04:55:01 PM
Great to see Logan and dooher interviewed on rte! Starting on a very positive note.

Had to be better than that amateur shit show tyrone TV put together in the changing rooms  ::)

That was some embarrassment, echoey changing room, awful sound, scruffy interviewers, mundane questions. Of all the places they could have used in a multi million pound training centre they went to the changing rooms. Garvaghey was also referred to as 'Tyrone Centre of Excellence' a term very much refuted by Tyrone GAA. So amateur for a first official interview.

It was really poor. Do they not have a media room where they could have held the interviews?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Localexpert on November 29, 2020, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 28, 2020, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on November 28, 2020, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 28, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2020, 04:55:01 PM
Great to see Logan and dooher interviewed on rte! Starting on a very positive note.

Had to be better than that amateur shit show tyrone TV put together in the changing rooms  ::)

That was some embarrassment, echoey changing room, awful sound, scruffy interviewers, mundane questions. Of all the places they could have used in a multi million pound training centre they went to the changing rooms. Garvaghey was also referred to as 'Tyrone Centre of Excellence' a term very much refuted by Tyrone GAA. So amateur for a first official interview.

It was really poor. Do they not have a media room where they could have held the interviews?

No matter how bad it was the narcissist who runs it won't change his opinion on himself  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on November 29, 2020, 09:06:27 PM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 29, 2020, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 28, 2020, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on November 28, 2020, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: Localexpert on November 28, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 27, 2020, 04:55:01 PM
Great to see Logan and dooher interviewed on rte! Starting on a very positive note.

Had to be better than that amateur shit show tyrone TV put together in the changing rooms  ::)

That was some embarrassment, echoey changing room, awful sound, scruffy interviewers, mundane questions. Of all the places they could have used in a multi million pound training centre they went to the changing rooms. Garvaghey was also referred to as 'Tyrone Centre of Excellence' a term very much refuted by Tyrone GAA. So amateur for a first official interview.

It was really poor. Do they not have a media room where they could have held the interviews?

No matter how bad it was the narcissist who runs it won't change his opinion on himself  ::)

Ah now .....what did he do on ye?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inowbest on November 30, 2020, 10:46:45 AM
Any word about the u20 job? it has been very quiet. Was anyone nominated or is Paul Devlin getting it again unopposed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 30, 2020, 10:39:39 PM
Peter Donnelly "I'm thrilled to be back. I wanted to stay last year and I was able to commit to it but things didn't work out... I just can't wait to get into it"

Teamtalk just posted this amount twitter and deleted it, discuss
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on December 01, 2020, 07:10:55 AM
Players seemed glad of the change to Davis last season and I thought he was adding something different to the setup. For all the talk of moving on from the Harte era it's strange to see us move backward to an already tried coach.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2020, 07:50:23 AM
One big regret on this season was that Davis didn't get a chance with the players. It sounds like he was top level that could have helped us close that fitness/conditioning gap with the Dubs. I think money would be a big factor in not keeping him. Having said that if we're going for someone internal in Tyrone Donnelly is as good as out there and I'm sure he'll do a good job - players seemed to like him previously too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 01, 2020, 07:57:34 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2020, 07:50:23 AM
One big regret on this season was that Davis didn't get a chance with the players. It sounds like he was top level that could have helped us close that fitness/conditioning gap with the Dubs. I think money would be a big factor in not keeping him. Having said that if we're going for someone internal in Tyrone Donnelly is as good as out there and I'm sure he'll do a good job - players seemed to like him previously too.

Do you think P.Donnelly is doing it for free ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 01, 2020, 08:47:43 AM
Money was obviously the big factor.

Jonny Davis was on close to £10,000 a month. That's just not sustainable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 01, 2020, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 01, 2020, 08:55:38 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 01, 2020, 08:47:43 AM
Money was obviously the big factor.

Jonny Davis was on close to £10,000 a month. That's just not sustainable.

I'm calling bullshit on that, that's not plausible.

He was around £500 a session from a reliable source. 4 sessions per week - 3 training and 1 game.

Obviously that's when the season was underway - January, February, March, October, November.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 01, 2020, 09:23:18 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 30, 2020, 10:39:39 PM
Peter Donnelly "I'm thrilled to be back. I wanted to stay last year and I was able to commit to it but things didn't work out... I just can't wait to get into it"

Teamtalk just posted this amount twitter and deleted it, discuss

Donnelly talking rubbish. He took a full time job (as is his absolute right) in a professional sport. He then came back saying he could work with Tyrone in the evenings (but only the evenings Ulster Academy didn't have anything on).

He basically wanted to stay with Tyrone via Zoom. Harte wasn't happy, understandably and days later Donnelly stumbled across the Monaghan set up?

Loves the cash.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2020, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: Club boi on December 01, 2020, 07:57:34 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 01, 2020, 07:50:23 AM
One big regret on this season was that Davis didn't get a chance with the players. It sounds like he was top level that could have helped us close that fitness/conditioning gap with the Dubs. I think money would be a big factor in not keeping him. Having said that if we're going for someone internal in Tyrone Donnelly is as good as out there and I'm sure he'll do a good job - players seemed to like him previously too.

Do you think P.Donnelly is doing it for free ??

No but I think Davis was costing a lot more than Donnelly will doing it part time. He was a big name in rugby circles and by all accounts great at the role. A pity he didn't get a run at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 01, 2020, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: trileacman on December 01, 2020, 07:10:55 AM
Players seemed glad of the change to Davis last season and I thought he was adding something different to the setup. For all the talk of moving on from the Harte era it's strange to see us move backward to an already tried coach.

The players also thought very highly of Peter Donnelly too though.

Donnelly in his previous role worked with pretty much all age groups though and I'm surprised we haven't tried to find a replacement for that. For what Donnelly and Davis are likely commanding working freelance we could probably replace somebody in Donnelly's previous role on a full time basis.

I don't really have much of an issue with him coming back, he seems to be highly regarded by the players and has a good rapport with them along with having a great reputation in his field. Davies was basically just an S&C guy who designed and monitored the players plans whereas Donnelly when he was in the management team before took a much more active role in the coaching of the side. You'd regularly hear him and see him on the sideline barking out the orders.

It's a fairly inexperienced management duo so no problem surrounding themselves with guys like Donnelly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 01, 2020, 10:45:02 AM
Donnelly obviously a very hands on guy, with a s&c brief

Dooher you'd imagine will be hands on

What specific role would the likes of collie Holmes, and Joe mc mahon have? Genuine question, they are serious operators Im just struggling to understand the roles and responsibilities of each man, in what will likely end up in being quite a large management team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on December 01, 2020, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2020, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: trileacman on December 01, 2020, 07:10:55 AM
Players seemed glad of the change to Davis last season and I thought he was adding something different to the setup. For all the talk of moving on from the Harte era it's strange to see us move backward to an already tried coach.

The players also thought very highly of Peter Donnelly too though.

Donnelly in his previous role worked with pretty much all age groups though and I'm surprised we haven't tried to find a replacement for that. For what Donnelly and Davis are likely commanding working freelance we could probably replace somebody in Donnelly's previous role on a full time basis.

I don't really have much of an issue with him coming back, he seems to be highly regarded by the players and has a good rapport with them along with having a great reputation in his field. Davies was basically just an S&C guy who designed and monitored the players plans whereas Donnelly when he was in the management team before took a much more active role in the coaching of the side. You'd regularly hear him and see him on the sideline barking out the orders.

It's a fairly inexperienced management duo so no problem surrounding themselves with guys like Donnelly

I'd agree with Donnelly being well regarded by the players. He's worked at a decent level in sport. Though from speaking to a few of the current players, they were taken aback at Davis' attention to detail and knowledge he brought to the setup. Apparently it was another level.

Sometimes you think what you have is great until someone else comes along. Hopefully the players are happy to see Donnelly return again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 01, 2020, 11:23:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2020, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: trileacman on December 01, 2020, 07:10:55 AM
Players seemed glad of the change to Davis last season and I thought he was adding something different to the setup. For all the talk of moving on from the Harte era it's strange to see us move backward to an already tried coach.

The players also thought very highly of Peter Donnelly too though.

Donnelly in his previous role worked with pretty much all age groups though and I'm surprised we haven't tried to find a replacement for that. For what Donnelly and Davis are likely commanding working freelance we could probably replace somebody in Donnelly's previous role on a full time basis.

I don't really have much of an issue with him coming back, he seems to be highly regarded by the players and has a good rapport with them along with having a great reputation in his field. Davies was basically just an S&C guy who designed and monitored the players plans whereas Donnelly when he was in the management team before took a much more active role in the coaching of the side. You'd regularly hear him and see him on the sideline barking out the orders.

It's a fairly inexperienced management duo so no problem surrounding themselves with guys like Donnelly

Maybe this is why Harte was happy to let him go?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on December 01, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
There's a lot of voices trying to make themselves heard next year between Logan, Dooher, Holmes, McMahon and Donnelly. Be interesting to see what the roles are for each. Maybe Donnelly will be there specifically for S&C work only.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 01, 2020, 12:55:23 PM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on December 01, 2020, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 01, 2020, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: trileacman on December 01, 2020, 07:10:55 AM
Players seemed glad of the change to Davis last season and I thought he was adding something different to the setup. For all the talk of moving on from the Harte era it's strange to see us move backward to an already tried coach.

The players also thought very highly of Peter Donnelly too though.

Donnelly in his previous role worked with pretty much all age groups though and I'm surprised we haven't tried to find a replacement for that. For what Donnelly and Davis are likely commanding working freelance we could probably replace somebody in Donnelly's previous role on a full time basis.

I don't really have much of an issue with him coming back, he seems to be highly regarded by the players and has a good rapport with them along with having a great reputation in his field. Davies was basically just an S&C guy who designed and monitored the players plans whereas Donnelly when he was in the management team before took a much more active role in the coaching of the side. You'd regularly hear him and see him on the sideline barking out the orders.

It's a fairly inexperienced management duo so no problem surrounding themselves with guys like Donnelly

I'd agree with Donnelly being well regarded by the players. He's worked at a decent level in sport. Though from speaking to a few of the current players, they were taken aback at Davis' attention to detail and knowledge he brought to the setup. Apparently it was another level.

Sometimes you think what you have is great until someone else comes along. Hopefully the players are happy to see Donnelly return again.

Possibly so but I didn't really see any impact in the players this year with regard their conditioning etc.

Now that is likely to do with a broken season and the fact that it might take years to get that through but we'll never know now.

Have we any confirmation of the season programme now between club and county?

Could be a lot of waiting time for these lads to get on with the job now but it might be no harm for them to get a good look at players doing well for their clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on December 01, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 01, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
There's a lot of voices trying to make themselves heard next year between Logan, Dooher, Holmes, McMahon and Donnelly. Be interesting to see what the roles are for each. Maybe Donnelly will be there specifically for S&C work only.

The Dubs have about 15 in their backroom 'team'',!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on December 01, 2020, 08:13:06 PM
Pretty much every Inter county team would have 2/3 coaches involved
This set up no different
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Snapchap on December 02, 2020, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 01, 2020, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 01, 2020, 08:55:38 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 01, 2020, 08:47:43 AM
Money was obviously the big factor.

Jonny Davis was on close to £10,000 a month. That's just not sustainable.

I'm calling bullshit on that, that's not plausible.

He was around £500 a session from a reliable source. 4 sessions per week - 3 training and 1 game.

Obviously that's when the season was underway - January, February, March, October, November.

You won't have to scroll back too many pages here too see how regularly people post news that they "heard from very reliable sources" and which subsequently transpire to be absolute bull.

If you actually believe he was getting £500 per session, you'd want to be re-evaluating the honesty of your sources.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 02, 2020, 02:33:59 PM
If we could afford to pay Davis that for 20 hours work a month. I think we could have afforded to keep Peter Donnelly there on a full time basis.

No way were the Tyrone County Board paying that kind of money out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 02, 2020, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 02, 2020, 02:33:59 PM
If we could afford to pay Davis that for 20 hours work a month. I think we could have afforded to keep Peter Donnelly there on a full time basis.

No way were the Tyrone County Board paying that kind of money out.

They were.

And Donnelly didn't leave because of money. It was obvious the problem was with Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on December 02, 2020, 03:17:36 PM
Almost £10,000 a month?

Seriously who believes this bullshit.

How many months of the year was he working for us?

There is boys in similar roles in professional clubs across the water getting that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on December 02, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
He was appointed in October so say he started in November and in a normal season lasting 10 months up until August he'd have been charging £100k? I'd be sceptical enough about them figures.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 02, 2020, 03:33:04 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on December 02, 2020, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 02, 2020, 02:33:59 PM
If we could afford to pay Davis that for 20 hours work a month. I think we could have afforded to keep Peter Donnelly there on a full time basis.

No way were the Tyrone County Board paying that kind of money out.

They were.

And Donnelly didn't leave because of money. It was obvious the problem was with Mickey.

Thats exactly why he left and its exactly why he's back. Now he can work full and part time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on December 02, 2020, 03:37:08 PM
Lads are you for real. A strength and conditioning coach for a county gaa team on that type of money, you need the heads examined!

Peter Donnelly left the tyrone set up as he asked for a pay rise and didn't get it. I don't think he was on huge money and an Ulster Academy coach wouldn't be huge money either. If you do a bit of research you'll see the likes of physios, S&C guys  etc in professional rugby can get around the £50-60k mark at elite level. You would therefore imagine that an academy coach commands a bit below that.

If tyrone county board or other counties were offering the kind of money some people on here are alleging then surely all the top rugby men would be queuing up to take the job on that salary!

monaghan were happy for him to work full time and be involved in their seniors for a few quid on the side. I imagine the new arrangement with tyrone is something similar and not the previous role he had which was looking after S&C for all county squads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on December 02, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
Yeah but he did leave an elite job in ulster and instead of heading to another elite job he headed to Tyrone. Most people either move to something that pays the same or in many cases more!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on December 02, 2020, 04:06:12 PM
Jonny Davis also has his own business set up when he left Ulster so working with Tyrone wasn't his sole job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on December 02, 2020, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 02, 2020, 04:06:12 PM
Jonny Davis also has his own business set up when he left Ulster so working with Tyrone wasn't his sole job.

His part time job paid £100k a year  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on December 02, 2020, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on December 02, 2020, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 02, 2020, 04:06:12 PM
Jonny Davis also has his own business set up when he left Ulster so working with Tyrone wasn't his sole job.

His part time job paid £100k a year  ;D ;D ;D

Nice to have a bit of pocket money coming in from a wee job on the side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on December 02, 2020, 04:41:27 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 02, 2020, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on December 02, 2020, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 02, 2020, 04:06:12 PM
Jonny Davis also has his own business set up when he left Ulster so working with Tyrone wasn't his sole job.

His part time job paid £100k a year  ;D ;D ;D

Nice to have a bit of pocket money coming in from a wee job on the side.

If you hear of any part time jobs like that give me a shout SQ
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 02, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
Johnny Davis got £10,000 for one month.
Not £100000 a year.
The split personality user on here who is dragging this conversation along obviously has some kind of Agenda.
Those of you who are saying that this figure is bullshit are wrong.
And yes it is very embarrassing I'd imagine for those who agreed the rates.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on December 03, 2020, 08:07:34 AM
What is his own business? PT?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 07, 2020, 01:19:10 PM
Very quiet on here since new men appointed. Very happy with the group of men at the helm and expect them to keep us at the top end and push us on a bit if possible. Looking at the Dubs over the weekend, they are going to be hard to topple. They are going to be the team to beat for the next 5 years for certain. Tyrone are one of the few teams who have the capacity to topple them in 1 of the years.

Any word on the panel, is it similar or are there trials upcoming? Are they back out training yet or even in the gym? I assume all lads are doing their own work but if the NFL is due to start in early Feb then pitch work would need to start very soon.

Good luck to all involved for 2021 and beyond
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on December 07, 2020, 02:43:02 PM
Gilroy spoke very favourably of Tyrone last night on the Sunday Game as being at the top table for the past 20 years without the funding Dubs have got, as an argument against the anti-Dublin brigade..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 07, 2020, 03:00:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 07, 2020, 01:19:10 PM
Very quiet on here since new men appointed. Very happy with the group of men at the helm and expect them to keep us at the top end and push us on a bit if possible. Looking at the Dubs over the weekend, they are going to be hard to topple. They are going to be the team to beat for the next 5 years for certain. Tyrone are one of the few teams who have the capacity to topple them in 1 of the years.

Any word on the panel, is it similar or are there trials upcoming? Are they back out training yet or even in the gym? I assume all lads are doing their own work but if the NFL is due to start in early Feb then pitch work would need to start very soon.

Good luck to all involved for 2021 and beyond

Is there not still a lot of uncertainty over when and how the 2021 season will start? Has a decision being made on the calendar and club and county yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 07, 2020, 04:56:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 07, 2020, 03:00:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 07, 2020, 01:19:10 PM
Very quiet on here since new men appointed. Very happy with the group of men at the helm and expect them to keep us at the top end and push us on a bit if possible. Looking at the Dubs over the weekend, they are going to be hard to topple. They are going to be the team to beat for the next 5 years for certain. Tyrone are one of the few teams who have the capacity to topple them in 1 of the years.

Any word on the panel, is it similar or are there trials upcoming? Are they back out training yet or even in the gym? I assume all lads are doing their own work but if the NFL is due to start in early Feb then pitch work would need to start very soon.

Good luck to all involved for 2021 and beyond

Is there not still a lot of uncertainty over when and how the 2021 season will start? Has a decision being made on the calendar and club and county yet?
Think it's still up in the air regarding the 2021 calendar. Last I heard they were considering club going first so Inter County could get fans in during the second half of the season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 08, 2020, 06:27:39 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on December 07, 2020, 02:43:02 PM
Gilroy spoke very favourably of Tyrone last night on the Sunday Game as being at the top table for the past 20 years without the funding Dubs have got, as an argument against the anti-Dublin brigade..

As far as I'm aware, Gilroy's granny was a burnt-out-of-Belfast refugee to Dublin in the 1920s, which might explain his relative lack of antipathy towards nordies like us over the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inowbest on December 13, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
A lot of cars round Garvaghy yesterday. Senior team running trials. Anyone any info on who was there? How many men got trials, any new men stand out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 13, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Aidan McRory held Lee Brennan scoreless apparently...say what you want about him but he's a solid enough man marker. Just not the most gifted footballer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on December 13, 2020, 07:40:19 PM
Was Tyrone minor training
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 14, 2020, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 13, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Aidan McRory held Lee Brennan scoreless apparently...say what you want about him but he's a solid enough man marker. Just not the most gifted footballer.

McCrory got an awful lot of unwarranted stick with Tyrone simply due to his club, he was always a very solid player whenever given the chance.

He must be 32/33 now though and he's fell way down the pecking order in recent seasons so I'd be really surprised if Logan and Dooher were having a look at him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 15, 2020, 11:16:43 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 13, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Aidan McRory held Lee Brennan scoreless apparently...say what you want about him but he's a solid enough man marker. Just not the most gifted footballer.
it was a cardboard cut out of Lee Brennan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on December 15, 2020, 11:21:23 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 08, 2020, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 08, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Anyone hear one on Teamtalk mag men got suspended for 96 weeks??? and is taking up a lot of debate in Garvaghy..

Who? And what exactly would you have to do to earn a 96 week suspension? :o

I heard Damian Harvey got suspended for 96 weeks...something to do with leaking emails that's all i heard, its under appeal....

Suspended from what exactly? Setting foot in Garvaghey? Attending Tyrone matches ?

I would presume he would be suspended from any position he holds in County Board or club ... he cant be suspended from going to watch a game......

He has just been re-elected to serve as coaching officer...so much for the 18 month suspension
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 15, 2020, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 15, 2020, 11:21:23 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 09, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 08, 2020, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 08, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: bigtogs on November 08, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
Anyone hear one on Teamtalk mag men got suspended for 96 weeks??? and is taking up a lot of debate in Garvaghy..

Who? And what exactly would you have to do to earn a 96 week suspension? :o

I heard Damian Harvey got suspended for 96 weeks...something to do with leaking emails that's all i heard, its under appeal....

Suspended from what exactly? Setting foot in Garvaghey? Attending Tyrone matches ?

I would presume he would be suspended from any position he holds in County Board or club ... he cant be suspended from going to watch a game......

He has just been re-elected to serve as coaching officer...so much for the 18 month suspension

He's appealing his suspension as far as I know. It was mentioned tonight. He can continue to hold the post while the appeal is underway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 17, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
What exactly was the suspension for?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 10:46:08 AM
I see cash isn't a problem in Tyrone anyway these days.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on December 17, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Very little talk on here about the current Tyrone trials. Has anyone heard any names?
I know there are at least 60 (Including current squad players) been "trialled" over 3 to 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on December 17, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Very little talk on here about the current Tyrone trials. Has anyone heard any names?
I know there are at least 60 (Including current squad players) been "trialled" over 3 to 4 weeks.

That's a good thing I'd say, shows respect for the new team.

Few old heads have been at the trials.....few Coalisland lads there that are much talked about on this board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on December 17, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Very little talk on here about the current Tyrone trials. Has anyone heard any names?
I know there are at least 60 (Including current squad players) been "trialled" over 3 to 4 weeks.

That's a good thing I'd say, shows respect for the new team.

Few old heads have been at the trials.....few Coalisland lads there that are much talked about on this board.

Kane and McNally?

Boat has surely sailed there?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 17, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on December 17, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Very little talk on here about the current Tyrone trials. Has anyone heard any names?
I know there are at least 60 (Including current squad players) been "trialled" over 3 to 4 weeks.

That's a good thing I'd say, shows respect for the new team.

Few old heads have been at the trials.....few Coalisland lads there that are much talked about on this board.

Kane and McNally?

Boat has surely sailed there?

Why ??

If your good enough .........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 17, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on December 17, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Very little talk on here about the current Tyrone trials. Has anyone heard any names?
I know there are at least 60 (Including current squad players) been "trialled" over 3 to 4 weeks.

That's a good thing I'd say, shows respect for the new team.

Few old heads have been at the trials.....few Coalisland lads there that are much talked about on this board.

Kane and McNally?

Boat has surely sailed there?

Why ??

If your good enough .........

I don't think they're good enough.

Great club players but if you want to beat Dublin you're not going to do it by bringing a few 30yr + lads in from out of the cold and ideally that's where Tyrone have been aiming.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 17, 2020, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 10:46:08 AM
I see cash isn't a problem in Tyrone anyway these days.

More info please. What are you referring to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 06:02:45 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 17, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 17, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on December 17, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Very little talk on here about the current Tyrone trials. Has anyone heard any names?
I know there are at least 60 (Including current squad players) been "trialled" over 3 to 4 weeks.

That's a good thing I'd say, shows respect for the new team.

Few old heads have been at the trials.....few Coalisland lads there that are much talked about on this board.

Kane and McNally?

Boat has surely sailed there?

Why ??

If your good enough .........

I don't think they're good enough.

Great club players but if you want to beat Dublin you're not going to do it by bringing a few 30yr + lads in from out of the cold and ideally that's where Tyrone have been aiming.






Quote from: Angelo on December 14, 2020, 10:15:27 AM
McCrory got an awful lot of unwarranted stick with Tyrone simply due to his club, he was always a very solid player whenever given the chance.

Selective quoting there. You'll see a post from me questioning why McCrory was attending trials when we should be moving in a different direction there recently.

Nice try though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 17, 2020, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 10:46:08 AM
I see cash isn't a problem in Tyrone anyway these days.

More info please. What are you referring to?

250k surplus in the accounts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 18, 2020, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 17, 2020, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 10:46:08 AM
I see cash isn't a problem in Tyrone anyway these days.

More info please. What are you referring to?

250k surplus in the accounts.

When you compare Tyrone to their peers in the likes of Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Donegal etc the spend on the county team is far less than these counties.

Using 2017 figures, other counties spend as a % of Tyrone (obviously the :

Dublin - 248%
Mayo - 239%
Kerry - 159%
Donegal - 147%

How Dublin manage to have such a big spend when nearly all their county players are based in Dublin (with sponsored cars) is surprising (or not). Travel expenses generally comprise the bulk of expenditure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 18, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 18, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 06:02:45 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 17, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 17, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on December 17, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Very little talk on here about the current Tyrone trials. Has anyone heard any names?
I know there are at least 60 (Including current squad players) been "trialled" over 3 to 4 weeks.

That's a good thing I'd say, shows respect for the new team.

Few old heads have been at the trials.....few Coalisland lads there that are much talked about on this board.

Kane and McNally?

Boat has surely sailed there?

Why ??

If your good enough .........

I don't think they're good enough.

Great club players but if you want to beat Dublin you're not going to do it by bringing a few 30yr + lads in from out of the cold and ideally that's where Tyrone have been aiming.






Quote from: Angelo on December 14, 2020, 10:15:27 AM
McCrory got an awful lot of unwarranted stick with Tyrone simply due to his club, he was always a very solid player whenever given the chance.

Selective quoting there. You'll see a post from me questioning why McCrory was attending trials when we should be moving in a different direction there recently.

Nice try though.

Not selective quoting, just highlighting your mental gymnastics. People can judge for themselves on the merits of McNally and McCrory and what they offer. If the new management thinks that they can give them something different than what they've inherited, even if it's a short term fix, then why wouldn't they take a look?

No mental gymnastics to be seen from me, there is from you however:

You selectively left out this part of the post you quoted from:

Quote from: Angelo on December 14, 2020, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 13, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Aidan McRory held Lee Brennan scoreless apparently...say what you want about him but he's a solid enough man marker. Just not the most gifted footballer.

McCrory got an awful lot of unwarranted stick with Tyrone simply due to his club, he was always a very solid player whenever given the chance.

He must be 32/33 now though and he's fell way down the pecking order in recent seasons so I'd be really surprised if Logan and Dooher were having a look at him.

So if I think that of McCrory, why should I hold a different viewpoint for Kane and McNally? Your mental gymnastics and selective quoting could only lead you there. Please try and deal with the truth in future.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 18, 2020, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 18, 2020, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 18, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 18, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 06:02:45 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 17, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: Club boi on December 17, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 17, 2020, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on December 17, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Very little talk on here about the current Tyrone trials. Has anyone heard any names?
I know there are at least 60 (Including current squad players) been "trialled" over 3 to 4 weeks.

That's a good thing I'd say, shows respect for the new team.

Few old heads have been at the trials.....few Coalisland lads there that are much talked about on this board.

Kane and McNally?

Boat has surely sailed there?

Why ??

If your good enough .........

I don't think they're good enough.

Great club players but if you want to beat Dublin you're not going to do it by bringing a few 30yr + lads in from out of the cold and ideally that's where Tyrone have been aiming.






Quote from: Angelo on December 14, 2020, 10:15:27 AM
McCrory got an awful lot of unwarranted stick with Tyrone simply due to his club, he was always a very solid player whenever given the chance.

Selective quoting there. You'll see a post from me questioning why McCrory was attending trials when we should be moving in a different direction there recently.

Nice try though.

Not selective quoting, just highlighting your mental gymnastics. People can judge for themselves on the merits of McNally and McCrory and what they offer. If the new management thinks that they can give them something different than what they've inherited, even if it's a short term fix, then why wouldn't they take a look?

No mental gymnastics to be seen from me, there is from you however:

You selectively left out this part of the post you quoted from:

Quote from: Angelo on December 14, 2020, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 13, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Aidan McRory held Lee Brennan scoreless apparently...say what you want about him but he's a solid enough man marker. Just not the most gifted footballer.

McCrory got an awful lot of unwarranted stick with Tyrone simply due to his club, he was always a very solid player whenever given the chance.

He must be 32/33 now though and he's fell way down the pecking order in recent seasons so I'd be really surprised if Logan and Dooher were having a look at him.

So if I think that of McCrory, why should I hold a different viewpoint for Kane and McNally? Your mental gymnastics and selective quoting could only lead you there. Please try and deal with the truth in future.

What truth am I not dealing with? I've used your own words. I haven't offered an opinion on McCrory, McNally or Kane as my viewpoint is irrelevant, same as yours. The only viewpoints that matters are those of Logan and Dooher and their coaches.

And my viewpoint is consistent. I don't see the likes of Kane, McNally and McCrory helping us close the gap on Dublin in the present or in the future. If these lads were early 20s and had the ability to improve then I'd have no problems but the likelihood is they will go in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on December 20, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
Under 17s in action today - seen the team named on Tyrone GAA but no clubs mentioned - like to see it particularly at underage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on December 20, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
Under 17s in action today - seen the team named on Tyrone GAA but no clubs mentioned - like to see it particularly at underage

There's a Cush lad on the bench. Any relation to Adrian?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
The minor game is as bad as I've seen in a long time.

Tyrone the much better team but have been very wasteful and the handling errors and misplaced passes by both teams have been shocking.

Pitch is very poor it must be said.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
Tyrone made a meal of that.

The Tyrone keeper (Morgan I think) and Canavan were the most impressive performers. The no 10 McHugh is a very strong runner and caused a lot of problems though he made a lot of mistakes that coughed up possession too.#

Tyrone looked the stronger and fitter side and should have won by more had they cut out on the mistakes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeGoAgain on December 21, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on December 20, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
Under 17s in action today - seen the team named on Tyrone GAA but no clubs mentioned - like to see it particularly at underage

There's a Cush lad on the bench. Any relation to Adrian?

Yes he is his son
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: WeGoAgain on December 21, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on December 20, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
Under 17s in action today - seen the team named on Tyrone GAA but no clubs mentioned - like to see it particularly at underage

There's a Cush lad on the bench. Any relation to Adrian?

Yes he is his son

Is McGarrity at 6 Ronan's son too?

Quite a few links to the 95 team there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
The minor game is as bad as I've seen in a long time.

Tyrone the much better team but have been very wasteful and the handling errors and misplaced passes by both teams have been shocking.

Pitch is very poor it must be said.
This is agroup who have been training collectively for two weeks in the last 9 months.
They have played no football worth talking about for most of the last 3 months. They are playing on a heavy pitch on the 20th December but if you feel the need to be critical you work away.
Your criticism of Mayo and cillian o Connor is embarrassing too.
But if makes you feel important then work away

What criticism of Mayo? I've been very complimentary of them if anything. My criticism of Cillian O'Connor is that he is not an elite level forward, I am happy with what I have said on that and have backed it up.

I did take account for the bad pitch.

Think you are a little overeager to get your dig in, sweetheart.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
The minor game is as bad as I've seen in a long time.

Tyrone the much better team but have been very wasteful and the handling errors and misplaced passes by both teams have been shocking.

Pitch is very poor it must be said.
This is agroup who have been training collectively for two weeks in the last 9 months.
They have played no football worth talking about for most of the last 3 months. They are playing on a heavy pitch on the 20th December but if you feel the need to be critical you work away.
Your criticism of Mayo and cillian o Connor is embarrassing too.
But if makes you feel important then work away

What criticism of Mayo? I've been very complimentary of them if anything. My criticism of Cillian O'Connor is that he is not an elite level forward, I am happy with what I have said on that and have backed it up.

I did take account for the bad pitch.

Think you are a little overeager to get your dig in, sweetheart.

I took my post down before you had replied because I thought whats the point of disagreeing with someone like yourself.
You said the pitch was bad.
Well done you
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 04:53:29 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
The minor game is as bad as I've seen in a long time.

Tyrone the much better team but have been very wasteful and the handling errors and misplaced passes by both teams have been shocking.

Pitch is very poor it must be said.
This is agroup who have been training collectively for two weeks in the last 9 months.
They have played no football worth talking about for most of the last 3 months. They are playing on a heavy pitch on the 20th December but if you feel the need to be critical you work away.
Your criticism of Mayo and cillian o Connor is embarrassing too.
But if makes you feel important then work away

What criticism of Mayo? I've been very complimentary of them if anything. My criticism of Cillian O'Connor is that he is not an elite level forward, I am happy with what I have said on that and have backed it up.

I did take account for the bad pitch.

Think you are a little overeager to get your dig in, sweetheart.

I took my post down before you had replied because I thought whats the point of disagreeing with someone like yourself.
You said the pitch was bad.
Well done you

I have a feeling the real reason you took it down was because there were a lot of inaccuracies involved in your post.

Should I just have pretended I was watching a magnificent game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 04:53:29 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
The minor game is as bad as I've seen in a long time.

Tyrone the much better team but have been very wasteful and the handling errors and misplaced passes by both teams have been shocking.

Pitch is very poor it must be said.
This is agroup who have been training collectively for two weeks in the last 9 months.
They have played no football worth talking about for most of the last 3 months. They are playing on a heavy pitch on the 20th December but if you feel the need to be critical you work away.
Your criticism of Mayo and cillian o Connor is embarrassing too.
But if makes you feel important then work away

What criticism of Mayo? I've been very complimentary of them if anything. My criticism of Cillian O'Connor is that he is not an elite level forward, I am happy with what I have said on that and have backed it up.

I did take account for the bad pitch.

Think you are a little overeager to get your dig in, sweetheart.

I took my post down before you had replied because I thought whats the point of disagreeing with someone like yourself.
You said the pitch was bad.
Well done you

I have a feeling the real reason you took it down was because there were a lot of inaccuracies involved in your post.

Should I just have pretended I was watching a magnificent game?

You seem to get great joy from running people down.
Its a pity people don't know who you are so that we could ridicule your lack of talent in public
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 06:25:00 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 04:53:29 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
The minor game is as bad as I've seen in a long time.

Tyrone the much better team but have been very wasteful and the handling errors and misplaced passes by both teams have been shocking.

Pitch is very poor it must be said.
This is agroup who have been training collectively for two weeks in the last 9 months.
They have played no football worth talking about for most of the last 3 months. They are playing on a heavy pitch on the 20th December but if you feel the need to be critical you work away.
Your criticism of Mayo and cillian o Connor is embarrassing too.
But if makes you feel important then work away

What criticism of Mayo? I've been very complimentary of them if anything. My criticism of Cillian O'Connor is that he is not an elite level forward, I am happy with what I have said on that and have backed it up.

I did take account for the bad pitch.

Think you are a little overeager to get your dig in, sweetheart.

I took my post down before you had replied because I thought whats the point of disagreeing with someone like yourself.
You said the pitch was bad.
Well done you

I have a feeling the real reason you took it down was because there were a lot of inaccuracies involved in your post.

Should I just have pretended I was watching a magnificent game?

You seem to get great joy from running people down.
Its a pity people don't know who you are so that we could ridicule your lack of talent in public

Who have I ran down?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on December 21, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: WeGoAgain on December 21, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on December 20, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
Under 17s in action today - seen the team named on Tyrone GAA but no clubs mentioned - like to see it particularly at underage

There's a Cush lad on the bench. Any relation to Adrian?

Yes he is his son

Is McGarrity at 6 Ronan's son too?

Quite a few links to the 95 team there.
Hadn't realised that. Does that mean Peter and Pascal each have 3 nephews on the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on December 21, 2020, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on December 21, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: WeGoAgain on December 21, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on December 20, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
Under 17s in action today - seen the team named on Tyrone GAA but no clubs mentioned - like to see it particularly at underage

There's a Cush lad on the bench. Any relation to Adrian?

Yes he is his son

Is McGarrity at 6 Ronan's son too?

Quite a few links to the 95 team there.
Hadn't realised that. Does that mean Peter and Pascal each have 3 nephews on the panel?

Four Canavan relations on the team -

Ruairi Canavan
Lorcan McGarrity
Sean O'Donnell
Barry Carberry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 11:14:55 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 21, 2020, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 06:25:00 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 05:14:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 04:53:29 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 21, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: In hiding on December 21, 2020, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 20, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
The minor game is as bad as I've seen in a long time.

Tyrone the much better team but have been very wasteful and the handling errors and misplaced passes by both teams have been shocking.

Pitch is very poor it must be said.
This is agroup who have been training collectively for two weeks in the last 9 months.
They have played no football worth talking about for most of the last 3 months. They are playing on a heavy pitch on the 20th December but if you feel the need to be critical you work away.
Your criticism of Mayo and cillian o Connor is embarrassing too.
But if makes you feel important then work away

What criticism of Mayo? I've been very complimentary of them if anything. My criticism of Cillian O'Connor is that he is not an elite level forward, I am happy with what I have said on that and have backed it up.

I did take account for the bad pitch.

Think you are a little overeager to get your dig in, sweetheart.

I took my post down before you had replied because I thought whats the point of disagreeing with someone like yourself.
You said the pitch was bad.
Well done you

I have a feeling the real reason you took it down was because there were a lot of inaccuracies involved in your post.

Should I just have pretended I was watching a magnificent game?

You seem to get great joy from running people down.
Its a pity people don't know who you are so that we could ridicule your lack of talent in public

Who have I ran down?

Your comments on Cillian O'Connor were idiotic and your comments on the Coalisland men equally so.
In fact, the only people you've been positive about recently are Mickey Harte and Aidan McCrory.

Also, Lorcan McGarrity is Turlough's lad.



Quote from: Angelo on December 14, 2020, 10:15:27 AM

McCrory got an awful lot of unwarranted stick with Tyrone simply due to his club, he was always a very solid player whenever given the chance.

He must be 32/33 now though and he's fell way down the pecking order in recent seasons so I'd be really surprised if Logan and Dooher were having a look at him.

Quote from: Angelo on December 17, 2020, 05:00:07 PM


I don't think they're good enough.

Great club players but if you want to beat Dublin you're not going to do it by bringing a few 30yr + lads in from out of the cold and ideally that's where Tyrone have been aiming.


First of all, let's be clear about something. You came on here last week and had a nonsensical go at me for saying that looking at players the wrong side of 30 who haven't been on the panel for years. I showed you up for the slabberer you are and you ran away. Seemingly when you see you might have a bit of backup you decide to stick your oar in again. The quotes are down below and show you for being either incredibly dim or just a fanny - people can make their own mind up as to which. Presumably you are another one of the aliases of the Fermanagh man.

As for Cillian O'Connor, amazing to see that some people get so offended by me saying that a Mayo forward who has struggled from play in big games is not an elite forward. Why should that upset you so much? I haven't ran him down either and many people I know and on this board would have a similar view on O'Connor. It hasn't been lazy analysis I've engaged in, I have substantiated my views with stats and analysis of him as a players. So why exactly does that make you so sensitive to that? I've commended him on his ability to finish, I have criticised him on not being able to fend for himself as an elite forward would. If you have a case to make, then bring it, but I'm sure it's easier to snipe from the crowd.

Finally, on the minor game? Did you even watch it? For anyone that did, I'm sure they will agree that it was a very poor game absolutely littered with basic errors. Of course there might be exonerating circumstances, Tyrone were full value for their win and I've given them credit for their fitness levels and commitment but it was a game really low on quality.

Why do people have such a problem with the truth?

In your case I think it's more complete and utter cowardice. You don't have faith to try and muster together an articulate argument so you throw out a few insults, twist a few posts to have a go and then run along when you get arse handed to you. No doubt the next I'll hear from you when you feel safe that another poster is having a pop.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 22, 2020, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on December 22, 2020, 10:29:02 AM


Catch a grip big man. You've stated nothing factual,just gave a few opinions and because you try to justify it with your logic it seems no-one is allowed to disagree with you and if they do you throw out passive aggressive insults and have a cheap pop at people.

Firstly, on the minors. It wasn't a great game but there were a few nice bits of individual and team play in it, that's a start. It was played in very difficult conditions the week before Christmas by lads that haven't had a competitive game of football at any level in over three months and have had a very stop/start year. I'm not sure of the quality your expecting from 17 year olds playing as a unit for the first time since March but I'll cut them a bit a slack. Hopefully they'll be a bit more polished v Derry as they're going to be up against it but they got to wear a white Tyrone jersey and compete in the Ulster Championship so they've already achieved a lot more than most people castigating them.

On Cillian O'Connor, you've suggested he isn't elite because he doesn't contribute enough from play. Again, that's an opinion, one that didn't appear to be shared by James Horan, Stephen Rochford or Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly all of whom that have done a lot more than look at him on video. However, to present you with some truth. He's the top ever scorer in the Football Championship. He's the highest scorer ever based on average points per game. He's got the top individual scoring record in the championship. It's not a case of just gilding the lily against London/New Year/Leitrim. If you don't think that elite then that's certainly a hot take. In my opinion, he would add value to the Tyrone team and at the minute would be one of the first names down on the teamsheet.

The McCrory/McNally/Kane conversation - I'm not entirely sure where you showed me up as a slabber but I digress. You defended McCrory's contribution to the Tyrone team and suggested that a lot of the abuse he got was unwarranted and was simply because of the club he comes from and I'd actually be inclined to agree with you on some of that. However, what I took umbrage with was your outright dismissal of the two Fianna men. Two lads that have been consistently among the top performers in the Tyrone Club Championship for the last decade. Two lads that got limited enough game time at Inter County level because they didn't fit neatly into the Mickey Harte system. The new management are perfectly entitled to have a look at them based on club championship form, regardless of their age. They're not likely to be the panacea to all our problems or be the tipping point against a 7-in-a-row chasing Dubs but they're entitled to a shot if the management want them and if either of them want to give it another go. You certainly don't get to dismiss them unless your name is Feargal Logan or Brian Dooher.

I applied the same logic towards Kane and McNally as I did to McCrory. Lads at 32/33 being brought into the panel or kept on the panel who haven't been featuring in recent seasons aren't going to help us close the gap on Dublin. Rather than take that issue up, you decided to selectively quote my post and twist it to something that it clearly wasn't. I called you out and you toddled off. I'm quite happy with my stance here, I don't think players well past the age of 30 being called in after a few years out. What ages are McNally and Kane anyway? They must be 33/34. Do you honestly these guys are going to help us close the gap on the likes of Dublin in the present and moving forward? Yes or no. You seem to be putting forward a motion now that any decision Logan or Dooher make should not be questioned?

On the minors, where did I castigate them? You are making inferences that simply are not there. I said it was a really poor game riddled with errors, which it was. I commented on how poor the pitch was, which it was. I commented on how Tyrone were the much better team, which they were, I didn't single any player out for criticism and actually picked three Tyrone players out for special praise. Once again you are trying to make something out of nothing.

Finally for Cillian O'Connor. Bizarre how you are so sensitive to me not considering him an elite level forward. I've substantiated all my points in the relevant thread, clearly it's a cause you feel passionate for given your outburst here. Rather than spamming the Tyrone thread about someone's views on a Mayo forward, why don't you take it up with me in the relevant thread?


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 22, 2020, 12:24:57 PM
Don't agree with that but Happy Christmas to you also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 23, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
I see a few of Mickey Hartes walk aways are returning to the set up in Conor McAliskey, Lee Brennan, Johnny Munroe and Danny McNulty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 23, 2020, 05:28:39 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 23, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
I see a few of Mickey Hartes walk aways are returning to the set up in Conor McAliskey, Lee Brennan, Johnny Munroe and Danny McNulty.

At trials or has a panel being finalised yet?

How has Munroe being doing for Carrickmore lately? Was he away travelling for a bit too. Think McAliskey had only planned to take a year out in any case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on December 23, 2020, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 23, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
I see a few of Mickey Hartes walk aways are returning to the set up in Conor McAliskey, Lee Brennan, Johnny Munroe and Danny McNulty.

Declan McCrossan seen running around Leckpatrick
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on December 23, 2020, 06:19:26 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 23, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
I see a few of Mickey Hartes walk aways are returning to the set up in Conor McAliskey, Lee Brennan, Johnny Munroe and Danny McNulty.

I don't think McAliskey had any issues with Harte did he? He has a tough few years on and off the pitch and had assumed he needed a break. He was a regular under Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 23, 2020, 07:23:34 PM
An undeniable fact that Brennan, Munroe, and McNulty making themselves available again is great news for Tyrone football

McNulty in my opinion, if fit, walks straight into our starting 15.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on December 23, 2020, 08:17:00 PM
McAliskey was only ever taking a year out. Good to see Brennan back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StPatsAbu on December 23, 2020, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 23, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
I see a few of Mickey Hartes walk aways are returning to the set up in Conor McAliskey, Lee Brennan, Johnny Munroe and Danny McNulty.

So an all-Ireland final/win in 2021 you reckon then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 23, 2020, 10:14:32 PM
Any word on Paudie McNulty?

Presume Paul Donaghy is a cert for the panel next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on December 23, 2020, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: God14 on December 23, 2020, 07:23:34 PM
An undeniable fact that Brennan, Munroe, and McNulty making themselves available again is great news for Tyrone football

McNulty in my opinion, if fit, walks straight into our starting 15.

Ahead of canavan mc curry and mc Shane in full forward line. Aye good one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 23, 2020, 11:06:28 PM
Danny McNulty was a good underage prospect but it's not as if he's been ripping it up on the club scene. A good performance here and there in between his injury spells.

I'd skeptical though if McNulty has the mobility and fitness for intercounty level but if he impresses the management team enough then he deserves a shot.

Ruairi Mullan was another impressive performer in that U21 team who never seemed to progress. I know he did get a call up under Harte but injured himself during the McKenna Cup and dropped off or was cut from the panel after.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 23, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
Being honest, I think it will be very difficult for any 'new' player to break into the starting team in early 2021. The new management have no McKenna Cup to trial players and are under the gun immediately as the NFL is a real dog fight for survival this year and every team will be keen to finish in top 2. There is very little, if any time to experiment and then championship is upon us.

With that in mind, I would be very surprised if any player breaks the starting 15 from outside the 30 in 2020. Any new player will find the S&C, the fitness levels required etc a big step up and to expect anyone to make that transition early is optimistic in my opinion. It normally takes time to adapt to the level required to make an impact at county level

In reality, I expect a panel along normal lines in terms of players with maybe 4/5 additions to cover Covid19 etc but the starting 15 will be made up of already established county panel players from recent seasons.

I feel sorry for the management that they will not get a McKenna cup to run their eye over potential players but unfortunately the current situation with Covid19 has put an end to that.

With the new enthusiasm of players & management together, hopefully that has the desired effect on/off the pitch and we see better overall performances in 2021
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 23, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 23, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
Being honest, I think it will be very difficult for any 'new' player to break into the starting team in early 2021. The new management have no McKenna Cup to trial players and are under the gun immediately as the NFL is a real dog fight for survival this year and every team will be keen to finish in top 2. There is very little, if any time to experiment and then championship is upon us.

With that in mind, I would be very surprised if any player breaks the starting 15 from outside the 30 in 2020. Any new player will find the S&C, the fitness levels required etc a big step up and to expect anyone to make that transition early is optimistic in my opinion. It normally takes time to adapt to the level required to make an impact at county level

In reality, I expect a panel along normal lines in terms of players with maybe 4/5 additions to cover Covid19 etc but the starting 15 will be made up of already established county panel players from recent seasons.

I feel sorry for the management that they will not get a McKenna cup to run their eye over potential players but unfortunately the current situation with Covid19 has put an end to that.

With the new enthusiasm of players & management together, hopefully that has the desired effect on/off the pitch and we see better overall performances in 2021

It is a new management team though so is there a starting XV? Clearly they will have their own ideas and players who they value more than the previous management team did.

I'd be looking at the following as being bankers if they are fit and healthy

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
Rafferty
Hampsey
M Donnelly
Harte
McKenna
McShane


Other than that I'd say there are plenty of places up for grabs so if lads are impressing in training they should get their chance in the league and it depends how it goes from there for them.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on December 24, 2020, 05:13:25 PM
I would say Kieran McGeary will be a cert under the new management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 25, 2020, 09:08:00 AM
Quote from: square_ball on December 24, 2020, 05:13:25 PM
I would say Kieran McGeary will be a cert under the new management.

Possibly.

Was the captain of that U21 side and a regular under Harte.

McGeary is a player I rate but it's hard to know what is he exactly. Certainly doesn't contribute on the scoreboard enough. His best year with Tyrone was 2018 when he was making a huge impact off the bench with his tenacity and ability to win turnovers and dirty ball.

It will be an interesting season and to see who management rate higher opposed to the previous management team and vice versa.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 25, 2020, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 23, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 23, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
Being honest, I think it will be very difficult for any 'new' player to break into the starting team in early 2021. The new management have no McKenna Cup to trial players and are under the gun immediately as the NFL is a real dog fight for survival this year and every team will be keen to finish in top 2. There is very little, if any time to experiment and then championship is upon us.

With that in mind, I would be very surprised if any player breaks the starting 15 from outside the 30 in 2020. Any new player will find the S&C, the fitness levels required etc a big step up and to expect anyone to make that transition early is optimistic in my opinion. It normally takes time to adapt to the level required to make an impact at county level

In reality, I expect a panel along normal lines in terms of players with maybe 4/5 additions to cover Covid19 etc but the starting 15 will be made up of already established county panel players from recent seasons.

I feel sorry for the management that they will not get a McKenna cup to run their eye over potential players but unfortunately the current situation with Covid19 has put an end to that.

With the new enthusiasm of players & management together, hopefully that has the desired effect on/off the pitch and we see better overall performances in 2021

It is a new management team though so is there a starting XV? Clearly they will have their own ideas and players who they value more than the previous management team did.

I'd be looking at the following as being bankers if they are fit and healthy

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
Rafferty
Hampsey
M Donnelly
Harte
McKenna
McShane


Other than that I'd say there are plenty of places up for grabs so if lads are impressing in training they should get their chance in the league and it depends how it goes from there for them.
Wouldnt even include Rafferty or Harte in that as bankers for the starting team. Both will face heavy competition for a place. Very dependent on the new manager and their opinions on players. You might see some bias towards the 2015 players as they got the job done for them and trust those players. But will be interesting to see. Certainly a lot more exciting than previous years when the only debate was over 2 places maybe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 25, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 25, 2020, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 23, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 23, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
Being honest, I think it will be very difficult for any 'new' player to break into the starting team in early 2021. The new management have no McKenna Cup to trial players and are under the gun immediately as the NFL is a real dog fight for survival this year and every team will be keen to finish in top 2. There is very little, if any time to experiment and then championship is upon us.

With that in mind, I would be very surprised if any player breaks the starting 15 from outside the 30 in 2020. Any new player will find the S&C, the fitness levels required etc a big step up and to expect anyone to make that transition early is optimistic in my opinion. It normally takes time to adapt to the level required to make an impact at county level

In reality, I expect a panel along normal lines in terms of players with maybe 4/5 additions to cover Covid19 etc but the starting 15 will be made up of already established county panel players from recent seasons.

I feel sorry for the management that they will not get a McKenna cup to run their eye over potential players but unfortunately the current situation with Covid19 has put an end to that.

With the new enthusiasm of players & management together, hopefully that has the desired effect on/off the pitch and we see better overall performances in 2021

It is a new management team though so is there a starting XV? Clearly they will have their own ideas and players who they value more than the previous management team did.

I'd be looking at the following as being bankers if they are fit and healthy

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
Rafferty
Hampsey
M Donnelly
Harte
McKenna
McShane


Other than that I'd say there are plenty of places up for grabs so if lads are impressing in training they should get their chance in the league and it depends how it goes from there for them.
Wouldnt even include Rafferty or Harte in that as bankers for the starting team. Both will face heavy competition for a place. Very dependent on the new manager and their opinions on players. You might see some bias towards the 2015 players as they got the job done for them and trust those players. But will be interesting to see. Certainly a lot more exciting than previous years when the only debate was over 2 places maybe.

I'd have Rafferty as one of the first names of the teamsheet. I thought he was outstanding last year, I think the only really decision the management team have to make on Rafferty is if they push him a little further ahead into the half back line. Hampsey has struggled badly with injuries over the past few seasons so he's probably the most under threat of that duo. Hopefully he can get back to his 2018 levels but he was nowhere near it last year, thought he was really poor for Coalisland in the club championship this season. Harte will get his spot on reputation but he'll need to start delivering on a more consistent basis, hopefully not having his uncle as manager will take some of the pressure off him.

I think most of the upheavel will come in the middle of the pitch and the forward line. As far as defenders go, there aren't too many standout options outside of what was already in the squad anyway for me.

Will Logan and Dooher play some challenge matches before the league?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 27, 2020, 09:19:56 PM
Challenge matches.... forgot about them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StPatsAbu on December 28, 2020, 01:04:21 AM
Are Logan and Dooher an upgrade?  Looking forward to reading this thread in 2 years time to hear the views of those who were looking shot of Mickey Harte.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on December 28, 2020, 01:04:21 AM
Are Logan and Dooher an upgrade?  Looking forward to reading this thread in 2 years time to hear the views of those who were looking shot of Mickey Harte.
New voices and new ideas can only be a positive thing. Even already the players rejoining the panel show positive signs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on December 28, 2020, 01:04:21 AM
Are Logan and Dooher an upgrade?  Looking forward to reading this thread in 2 years time to hear the views of those who were looking shot of Mickey Harte.
New voices and new ideas can only be a positive thing. Even already the players rejoining the panel show positive signs.

Be interesting how they will keep all the forwards happy though.

Harte regularly got panned for not picking certain players, Logan and Dooher will probably now come under the same pressure when they can't find enough place for the likes of McCurry, Canavan, Bradley, McAliskey, Brennan etc together.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on December 28, 2020, 11:55:28 AM
New voices and new ideas will hopefully be a positive thing but there's as much chance of the new voices/ideas not working as there is of them working.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 12:42:07 PM
The new management has created a lot more optimism too. Each of the last 5/6 years you could pretty much guess the team bar maybe 1/2 players. As already stated here theres only really 6 maybe 7 players who would be nailed on the 15 in a new set up, so that unknown and actual competition for places can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 28, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
I can't wait to see what the future holds for Tyrone. My only major concern would be the body of work completed by the current management, does it prepare them for Senior Inter County etc etc.

You look at the progression within Dublin, both Gavin and Farrell naturally stepped up from underage success. Our lads are dining out on an u21 AI in 2015 where we beat neither Kerry, Mayo, Dublin or Galway. (Mickey would have won a senior AI if he could have dodged them too  ;D)

Either way I will not treat either of them with the disrespect Harte got towards the end, I'll have my opinion of course (opinions are like assholes, we all have one), but it won't be to constantly undermine the management on a forum!

Following on,

What then is deemed as success for this group this year? What is the bare minimum we expect to achieve? Or do we accept a few years in the shit to come out smelling of roses on the other side?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 28, 2020, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on December 28, 2020, 01:04:21 AM
Are Logan and Dooher an upgrade?  Looking forward to reading this thread in 2 years time to hear the views of those who were looking shot of Mickey Harte.
New voices and new ideas can only be a positive thing. Even already the players rejoining the panel show positive signs.

Be interesting how they will keep all the forwards happy though.

Harte regularly got panned for not picking certain players, Logan and Dooher will probably now come under the same pressure when they can't find enough place for the likes of McCurry, Canavan, Bradley, McAliskey, Brennan etc together.

Split season will help no end keeping players happy....ish. You can understand why some left playing no ball whatsoever for club or county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 28, 2020, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on December 28, 2020, 01:04:21 AM
Are Logan and Dooher an upgrade?  Looking forward to reading this thread in 2 years time to hear the views of those who were looking shot of Mickey Harte.
New voices and new ideas can only be a positive thing. Even already the players rejoining the panel show positive signs.

Be interesting how they will keep all the forwards happy though.

Harte regularly got panned for not picking certain players, Logan and Dooher will probably now come under the same pressure when they can't find enough place for the likes of McCurry, Canavan, Bradley, McAliskey, Brennan etc together.

Split season will help no end keeping players happy....ish. You can understand why some left playing no ball whatsoever for club or county.
Talk of the amount of starred games being increased and different points being available for non starred rounds and these starred rounds being played from April up to the County season ends.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inowbest on December 28, 2020, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 28, 2020, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on December 28, 2020, 01:04:21 AM
Are Logan and Dooher an upgrade?  Looking forward to reading this thread in 2 years time to hear the views of those who were looking shot of Mickey Harte.
New voices and new ideas can only be a positive thing. Even already the players rejoining the panel show positive signs.

Be interesting how they will keep all the forwards happy though.

Harte regularly got panned for not picking certain players, Logan and Dooher will probably now come under the same pressure when they can't find enough place for the likes of McCurry, Canavan, Bradley, McAliskey, Brennan etc together.

Split season will help no end keeping players happy....ish. You can understand why some left playing no ball whatsoever for club or county.

Talk of the amount of starred games being increased and different points being available for non starred rounds and these starred rounds being played from April up to the County season ends.


This just your opinion, what you hope will happen or is there actually talk from county board that this is what might happen? Surely the CB will let clubs know soon what the plan is. 2020 junior League finish has to be factored into any plans as well surely?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on December 28, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Hampsey* if fit
Rafferty
Burns
Sludden
Kennedy
Donnelly
Meyler
McKenna
Harte
Canavan
McShane
Mccurry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 28, 2020, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 28, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Hampsey* if fit
Rafferty
Burns
Sludden
Kennedy
Donnelly
Meyler
McKenna
Harte
Canavan
McShane
Mccurry

Don't know about Burns at 6 - but otherwise that's a tasty lineup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 06:25:59 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 28, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Hampsey* if fit
Rafferty
Burns
Sludden
Kennedy
Donnelly
Meyler
McKenna
Harte
Canavan
McShane
Mccurry
Would like to see:

Niall Morgan
Conor Quinn Ronan McNammee Paudie Hampsey
Rory Brennan Michael Cassidy/Michael O'Neill Liam Rafferty
Brian Kennedy Richie Donelly
Mattie Donnelly Conor McKenna Darren McCurry
Mark Bradley Cathal McShane Darragh Canavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on December 29, 2020, 08:37:26 AM
Our forward unit is potentially as good as any out there.

I'd rate Morgan as a top 3 keeper

Defence is ok but will be interesting to see how much More they are left to play man to man or if they are protected in a system again.

Biggest concern is MF. When compared to the top teams we are not at the same level. Maybe with experience that might come, but not at present.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on December 29, 2020, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 28, 2020, 06:25:59 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 28, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Hampsey* if fit
Rafferty
Burns
Sludden
Kennedy
Donnelly
Meyler
McKenna
Harte
Canavan
McShane
Mccurry
Would like to see:

Niall Morgan
Conor Quinn Ronan McNammee Paudie Hampsey
Rory Brennan Michael Cassidy/Michael O'Neill Liam Rafferty
Brian Kennedy Richie Donelly
Mattie Donnelly Conor McKenna Darren McCurry
Mark Bradley Cathal McShane Darragh Canavan

I forgot about Cassidy and would also be happy with Oneill at 6. I'd maybe put burns into midfield - thought he put in a few big shifts last year for Tyrone. I think the attacking half back line needs improved from last year with Mckernan and McCann losing out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on December 29, 2020, 12:16:12 PM
I see Aidan McCrory has retired from Tyrone. Same report had quotes from Kyle Coney saying he would like to be called up again. Don't think he should be given another chance personally at this point.

Canavan has basically played 2 competitive games (v Mayo and v Donegal) and has scored 2-2 from play, while looking lively winning a fair share of ball, and was also taken off for the last 15 minutes in both games. With expected improvement he would be ahead of the likes of McAliskey.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on December 29, 2020, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.
Can't help feel we are over stocked in the forward positions and cuts have to be made.
Are Dan McNulty, Paul Donaghy, Ronan O'Neill, Daniel Kerr and to an extent Tiarnan Quinn (although an exciting young talent could probably do with more club football) really going to make an impact to get into the reckoning ahead off any of Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Conor McKenna, Cathal McShane, Mark Bradley, Darren McCurry, Conor McAliskey, Darragh Canavan and Lee Brennan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 29, 2020, 12:43:51 PM
Some riches there going to be interesting.Intriguing NL ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: skeog on December 29, 2020, 12:43:51 PM
Some riches there going to be interesting.Intriguing NL ahead.

It's a shame it's a condensed league campaign this year all truth told, would have liked to have seen it in its natural format.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 29, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: skeog on December 29, 2020, 12:43:51 PM
Some riches there going to be interesting.Intriguing NL ahead.

If the county season goes ahead first, you might not be seeing McShane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on December 29, 2020, 12:50:51 PM
Surely Cathal will be back did he have a setback?.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 29, 2020, 01:05:31 PM
Had to get the ankle rebroken and reset. That was only in August wasn't it? He'll be doing well to be back at it in a week or two.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 01:05:43 PM
Another area I think we are lacking in other than midfield and 6 is a direct running wing forward who can chip in with scores.

Mattie Donnelly is a very unique type of footballer, he likes to slow the play down and then use his power and pace to shake people and he's very good at that but I think we need a strong running type player who is able to break the tackles. It's one thing I've noticed when we have come up against the likes of Dublin, Mayo, Kerry and Donegal in Championship is that we have very few players who can break those tackles. We have generally had small, slight forwards so they don't really back themselves to take those tackles on. The likes of Stephen O'Brien for Kerry or Diarmuid O'Connor for Mayo stick out for me, those guys are able to get so many scores and win so many frees from their direct running. McKenna should certainly help this year if we get to play him at 11 but I think it's something we need more from.

Was Matthew Walsh involved in the trial games does anybody know?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 29, 2020, 01:36:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 01:05:43 PM
Another area I think we are lacking in other than midfield and 6 is a direct running wing forward who can chip in with scores.

Mattie Donnelly is a very unique type of footballer, he likes to slow the play down and then use his power and pace to shake people and he's very good at that but I think we need a strong running type player who is able to break the tackles. It's one thing I've noticed when we have come up against the likes of Dublin, Mayo, Kerry and Donegal in Championship is that we have very few players who can break those tackles. We have generally had small, slight forwards so they don't really back themselves to take those tackles on. The likes of Stephen O'Brien for Kerry or Diarmuid O'Connor for Mayo stick out for me, those guys are able to get so many scores and win so many frees from their direct running. McKenna should certainly help this year if we get to play him at 11 but I think it's something we need more from.

Was Matthew Walsh involved in the trial games does anybody know?

I believe so but I know nothing more so assume that is that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 02:09:51 PM
I think we can all agree that the no 6 position is a problem one for us. If teams run at us direct through the middle they create goal chances and I think a solid 6 is what we lack, a player who is good positionally and will hold that area and command his teammates in that position. Since Gormley and the McMahons retired we have lacked a proper centre back that has those qualities, we have too many half backs who just like to bomb forward or get drawn to the ball or the carrier rather than holding the centre firm. We have had constant chopping and changing during that time too with different players tried out there. Brennan, McGeary and Michael O'Neill seemed to be the three players used there this year.

For me I think Brennan is probably our go to man marker now and I also think he likes to bomb on, he's good at taking the ball out of defence and getting up the pitch and taking a score. I think he has really developed into a key performer for Tyrone so I think he is best used in the corner or being assigned to track a dangerman. I see putting him at 6 as losing out of some of his main assets

McGeary and O'Neill are probably much more suited to playing at 6. A lot of people would have question marks over McGeary's discipline and probably right to do so though I would say he gets a very raw deal from referees. Thought O'Neill really impressed this year with his performances, he's a gritty performer and I felt we were notably more solid when he was in that defence this year. He does have some fitness issues though, seemed to pick up a lot of niggles and didn't finish many games he started so hopefully he can work on that this year. If Hampsey sorts out his fitness issues I'd like to see him given a solid run at 6. He's got the physical presence to fill out that role and I think he's better suited there than in the corner. He is probably the most likely man marker though for Tyrone if we have a real physical threat to deal with.

I think we also need far more defensively from our wing half backs too. The likes of McCann, Burns and McKernan lack a bit of discipline and constantly seem to get dragged into the ball or the runner and that's when gaps appear and free men start showing up. I'm happy with our full back line so if we can add a bit more defensive stability around the half back line then it gives us a real platform to allow our more attacking players to play higher up the pitch and express themselves. Michael Cassidy can hopefully remain fit as I think he is probably our best half back in the squad but seems to be consistently dealing with niggly injuries. If Munroe is back he could potentially force his way into the reckoning if he is still at the level he was when he dropped off.

It really is going to be an interesting year ahead and to see how differently or similarly Logan and Dooher view things to the previous management team


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 29, 2020, 01:05:31 PM
Had to get the ankle rebroken and reset. That was only in August wasn't it? He'll be doing well to be back at it in a week or two.

If that's the case we need to be very careful with him given what the pitches are like this time of year.

Probably best targeting him seeing some action toward the end of the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on December 29, 2020, 02:24:13 PM
Any team that includes Kieran McGeary or Frank Burns cannot have serious aspirations to win football matches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on December 29, 2020, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 29, 2020, 02:24:13 PM
Any team that includes Kieran McGeary or Frank Burns cannot have serious aspirations to win football matches.

You really cant hide you hatred of the Plunketts ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on December 29, 2020, 07:39:38 PM
P Harte no6, McShane at 11 and Matty at 15,  Young Canavan as supersub
The rest is easy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 29, 2020, 07:50:29 PM
Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
Munroe

Kennedy
Kilpatrick

Mattie
McKenna
Harte

McShane
McNulty
McCurry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 29, 2020, 08:44:37 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 29, 2020, 07:39:38 PM
P Harte no6, McShane at 11 and Matty at 15,  Young Canavan as supersub
The rest is easy

Probably the only place he starts now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on December 29, 2020, 09:10:35 PM
Sludden at 6 is superb, by far the best 6 in the county, great positional sense, can tackle with discipline and can carry the ball as good as anyone from there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on December 29, 2020, 10:56:59 PM
Feel they have to try him there or half back line. The amount of time Tyrone half backs make bad calls and I don't think he will make as many
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 01:39:17 AM
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 29, 2020, 07:39:38 PM
P Harte no6, McShane at 11 and Matty at 15,  Young Canavan as supersub
The rest is easy
LoL ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 01:42:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.
1) Age is irrelevant.
2) His da was "slight" too, as was Gooch Cooper etc etc. Means nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 01:42:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.
1) Age is irrelevant.
2) His da was "slight" too, as was Gooch Cooper etc etc. Means nothing.

Age is relevant. Not too many counties with 20/21 year old s starting for them.

Size is very relevant. Look at the top counties now and tell us  how many players under 5ft10 line out for them now. The game has changed an awful lot over the past 20/30 years.

Canavan is a fantastic talent but he has it all to prove and we must be careful in our expectations and how we manage him. There's a lot of competition in his position now so he will need to be delivering to start and I think you are gone way overboard on a young talent who has only played one Championship game.

Guys like McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley have much more experience and physical development made at the minute and they are some of the players he will be fighting it out with.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 01:42:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.
1) Age is irrelevant.
2) His da was "slight" too, as was Gooch Cooper etc etc. Means nothing.

Age is relevant. Not too many counties with 20/21 year old s starting for them.

Size is very relevant. Look at the top counties now and tell us  how many players under 5ft10 line out for them now. The game has changed an awful lot over the past 20/30 years.

Canavan is a fantastic talent but he has it all to prove and we must be careful in our expectations and how we manage him. There's a lot of competition in his position now so he will need to be delivering to start and I think you are gone way overboard on a young talent who has only played one Championship game.

Guys like McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley have much more experience and physical development made at the minute and they are some of the players he will be fighting it out with.
No it isn't. If you're good enough, you're old enough, it's that simple.  Doesn't matter what age or height you are.
If he performs, then he should play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 01:42:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.
1) Age is irrelevant.
2) His da was "slight" too, as was Gooch Cooper etc etc. Means nothing.

Age is relevant. Not too many counties with 20/21 year old s starting for them.

Size is very relevant. Look at the top counties now and tell us  how many players under 5ft10 line out for them now. The game has changed an awful lot over the past 20/30 years.

Canavan is a fantastic talent but he has it all to prove and we must be careful in our expectations and how we manage him. There's a lot of competition in his position now so he will need to be delivering to start and I think you are gone way overboard on a young talent who has only played one Championship game.

Guys like McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley have much more experience and physical development made at the minute and they are some of the players he will be fighting it out with.
No it isn't. If you're good enough, you're old enough, it's that simple.  Doesn't matter what age or height you are.
If he performs, then he should play.

That's complete bullshit. Age, height and physical development do matter. They matter hugely now. How many 20 year olds are starting for the top teams now? You can cite guys like Mullin, Clifford, O'Shea etc but they are all big physical, athletic players. We need to be patient and careful with Canavan.


I've already said if Canavan performs then he will play. But you're putting some amount of expectation on a 20 year old who has played one Championhsip game. We need to be careful with him. We have seasoned performers like McAliskey, Bradley, McCurry etc there who are a lot further on in their physical development and Canavan will have pressure on him to earn that jersey. If he performs he will play but he is certainly at a disadvantage when it comes to his size, height and power at present. He will take another couple of years to really develop the type of physical frame needed at this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 01:42:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.
1) Age is irrelevant.
2) His da was "slight" too, as was Gooch Cooper etc etc. Means nothing.

Age is relevant. Not too many counties with 20/21 year old s starting for them.

Size is very relevant. Look at the top counties now and tell us  how many players under 5ft10 line out for them now. The game has changed an awful lot over the past 20/30 years.

Canavan is a fantastic talent but he has it all to prove and we must be careful in our expectations and how we manage him. There's a lot of competition in his position now so he will need to be delivering to start and I think you are gone way overboard on a young talent who has only played one Championship game.

Guys like McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley have much more experience and physical development made at the minute and they are some of the players he will be fighting it out with.
No it isn't. If you're good enough, you're old enough, it's that simple.  Doesn't matter what age or height you are.
If he performs, then he should play.

That's complete bullshit. Age, height and physical development do matter. They matter hugely now. How many 20 year olds are starting for the top teams now? You can cite guys like Mullin, Clifford, O'Shea etc but they are all big physical, athletic players. We need to be patient and careful with Canavan.


I've already said if Canavan performs then he will play. But you're putting some amount of expectation on a 20 year old who has played one Championhsip game. We need to be careful with him. We have seasoned performers like McAliskey, Bradley, McCurry etc there who are a lot further on in their physical development and Canavan will have pressure on him to earn that jersey. If he performs he will play but he is certainly at a disadvantage when it comes to his size, height and power at present. He will take another couple of years to really develop the type of physical frame needed at this level.
No it isn't. Why do you need to be "careful" with him? Is he going to get hurt by a big shoulder barge off a big strong player just because hes so young and so small ;D Wise up.
He's performing at club, county u20 and now county senior. If he was so "slight" and only "20/21" he wouldn't be there in the first place, but he's good enough, so he is there, and will be a mainstay of the team if he performs consistently. It's that simple.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 01:42:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.
1) Age is irrelevant.
2) His da was "slight" too, as was Gooch Cooper etc etc. Means nothing.

Age is relevant. Not too many counties with 20/21 year old s starting for them.

Size is very relevant. Look at the top counties now and tell us  how many players under 5ft10 line out for them now. The game has changed an awful lot over the past 20/30 years.

Canavan is a fantastic talent but he has it all to prove and we must be careful in our expectations and how we manage him. There's a lot of competition in his position now so he will need to be delivering to start and I think you are gone way overboard on a young talent who has only played one Championship game.

Guys like McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley have much more experience and physical development made at the minute and they are some of the players he will be fighting it out with.
No it isn't. If you're good enough, you're old enough, it's that simple.  Doesn't matter what age or height you are.
If he performs, then he should play.

That's complete bullshit. Age, height and physical development do matter. They matter hugely now. How many 20 year olds are starting for the top teams now? You can cite guys like Mullin, Clifford, O'Shea etc but they are all big physical, athletic players. We need to be patient and careful with Canavan.


I've already said if Canavan performs then he will play. But you're putting some amount of expectation on a 20 year old who has played one Championhsip game. We need to be careful with him. We have seasoned performers like McAliskey, Bradley, McCurry etc there who are a lot further on in their physical development and Canavan will have pressure on him to earn that jersey. If he performs he will play but he is certainly at a disadvantage when it comes to his size, height and power at present. He will take another couple of years to really develop the type of physical frame needed at this level.
No it isn't. Why do you need to be "careful" with him? Is he going to get hurt by a big shoulder barge off a big strong player just because hes so young and so small ;D Wise up.
He's performing at club, county u20 and now county senior. If he was so "slight" and only "20/21" he wouldn't be there in the first place, but he's good enough, so he is there, and will be a mainstay of the team if he performs consistently. It's that simple.

You need to be careful with him as he's 20 years old. He has played one Championship game for his county. He is slight and he is only 20. He was there because we had big issues in our forward line. If you look at the Championship this year, we could have McShane, McAliskey and Brennan returning to action as inside forward options, we could have Paul Donaghy there who was the top marksman in the club Championship, we could have a fit Mark Bradley back. All these guys are older and more physically developed than Canavan.

We will see on Canavan but there will be serious competition for places next year and Canavan is a young lad who has not put 200 minutes of senior Championship action under his belt yet therefore we need to be careful how we manage him in both physical terms and expectations. He's a talent we ought to be excited about but there are more senior and proven performers there as of yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 01:42:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

Canavan is a slight 20 year old who has played one Championship match. He's a huge talent but has it all to prove and an awful lot of physical development to make yet. I look forward to seeing how he gets on next year but we have to be careful how we manage him and the expectations.

I think McAliskey has a lot to offer if he comes back fit and hungry. Only McManus scored more overall than McAliskey in the 2018 All Ireland Championship and only Kilkenny scored more from play in the same Championship. It's good we have all these options but it's going to be difficult for Logan and Dooher to balance all these players and their hunger to play. If you look at the Donegal game back in November, you could potentially be adding McAliskey, L Brennan, McShane and Donaghy among others into that forward line so whoever has the jersey is going to have to perform.
1) Age is irrelevant.
2) His da was "slight" too, as was Gooch Cooper etc etc. Means nothing.

Age is relevant. Not too many counties with 20/21 year old s starting for them.

Size is very relevant. Look at the top counties now and tell us  how many players under 5ft10 line out for them now. The game has changed an awful lot over the past 20/30 years.

Canavan is a fantastic talent but he has it all to prove and we must be careful in our expectations and how we manage him. There's a lot of competition in his position now so he will need to be delivering to start and I think you are gone way overboard on a young talent who has only played one Championship game.

Guys like McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley have much more experience and physical development made at the minute and they are some of the players he will be fighting it out with.
No it isn't. If you're good enough, you're old enough, it's that simple.  Doesn't matter what age or height you are.
If he performs, then he should play.

That's complete bullshit. Age, height and physical development do matter. They matter hugely now. How many 20 year olds are starting for the top teams now? You can cite guys like Mullin, Clifford, O'Shea etc but they are all big physical, athletic players. We need to be patient and careful with Canavan.


I've already said if Canavan performs then he will play. But you're putting some amount of expectation on a 20 year old who has played one Championhsip game. We need to be careful with him. We have seasoned performers like McAliskey, Bradley, McCurry etc there who are a lot further on in their physical development and Canavan will have pressure on him to earn that jersey. If he performs he will play but he is certainly at a disadvantage when it comes to his size, height and power at present. He will take another couple of years to really develop the type of physical frame needed at this level.
No it isn't. Why do you need to be "careful" with him? Is he going to get hurt by a big shoulder barge off a big strong player just because hes so young and so small ;D Wise up.
He's performing at club, county u20 and now county senior. If he was so "slight" and only "20/21" he wouldn't be there in the first place, but he's good enough, so he is there, and will be a mainstay of the team if he performs consistently. It's that simple.

You need to be careful with him as he's 20 years old. He has played one Championship game for his county. He is slight and he is only 20. He was there because we had big issues in our forward line. If you look at the Championship this year, we could have McShane, McAliskey and Brennan returning to action as inside forward options, we could have Paul Donaghy there who was the top marksman in the club Championship, we could have a fit Mark Bradley back. All these guys are older and more physically developed than Canavan.

We will see on Canavan but there will be serious competition for places next year and Canavan is a young lad who has not put 200 minutes of senior Championship action under his belt yet therefore we need to be careful how we manage him in both physical terms and expectations. He's a talent we ought to be excited about but there are more senior and proven performers there as of yet.
You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.
He had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why. He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.
Again, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.
He is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM

You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.


Are you disputing he has only played one Championship game or something? It's a fact.

Of course we need to be careful with him, he's a 20 year old with all to prove and we need to be careful how we manage him.

I cannot see where you are seeing a contradiction there. You've made the statement but it makes no sense and you've made no effort to explain it at all.

QuoteHe had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why.He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.

And we would have a much better idea when he plays more Championship games. Do you normally judge players on a sample of their Championship debuts? It seems like you are judging a player solely on 50 minutes of Championship action.

QuoteAgain, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.

I think a player's physical level is very important these days. Skilful players don't come out on top of physical players every day of the week. Are you now saying the likes of Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan are not skillful players? They have found the physical level of intercounty football extremely tough which is why they have struggled to make an impact at this level for Tyrone. We had young Mulgrew pick up rave reviews a few years back when he scored 2-01 in an All Ireland quarter final at the same age Canavan is now, he was a big prospect then and has barely kicked a ball for Tyrone.


Young Canavan shipped a heavy knock against Donegal and had to come off shortly after as well.



QuoteHe is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.

I never said anything to the contrary in what you said. All I said was that he has only played one game of Championship football and is only 20 years old and still physically developing so we should be careful with him. If he is doing the business then he will play, no questions but on a sample of 50 minutes of Championship football it is crazy to making the kind of assertions you are.

May I revert you back to your initial post:

QuoteMcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

2 years ago. McAliskey was Tyrone's top scorer as they reached an All Ireland final. Only Conor McManus scored more in the Championship that year, only Ciaran Kilkenny scored more from play. In contrast Darragh Canavan has played 50 minutes of Championship action.

I think your comments are extremely disrespectful and dismissive to a player like McAliskey who is a fine performer in his own right
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM

You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.


Are you disputing he has only played one Championship game or something? It's a fact.

Of course we need to be careful with him, he's a 20 year old with all to prove and we need to be careful how we manage him.

I cannot see where you are seeing a contradiction there. You've made the statement but it makes no sense and you've made no effort to explain it at all.

QuoteHe had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why.He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.

And we would have a much better idea when he plays more Championship games. Do you normally judge players on a sample of their Championship debuts? It seems like you are judging a player solely on 50 minutes of Championship action.

QuoteAgain, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.

I think a player's physical level is very important these days. Skilful players don't come out on top of physical players every day of the week. Are you now saying the likes of Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan are not skillful players? They have found the physical level of intercounty football extremely tough which is why they have struggled to make an impact at this level for Tyrone. We had young Mulgrew pick up rave reviews a few years back when he scored 2-01 in an All Ireland quarter final at the same age Canavan is now, he was a big prospect then and has barely kicked a ball for Tyrone.


Young Canavan shipped a heavy knock against Donegal and had to come off shortly after as well.



QuoteHe is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.

I never said anything to the contrary in what you said. All I said was that he has only played one game of Championship football and is only 20 years old and still physically developing so we should be careful with him. If he is doing the business then he will play, no questions but on a sample of 50 minutes of Championship football it is crazy to making the kind of assertions you are.

May I revert you back to your initial post:

QuoteMcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

2 years ago. McAliskey was Tyrone's top scorer as they reached an All Ireland final. Only Conor McManus scored more in the Championship that year, only Ciaran Kilkenny scored more from play. In contrast Darragh Canavan has played 50 minutes of Championship action.

I think your comments are extremely disrespectful and dismissive to a player like McAliskey who is a fine performer in his own right
No, im not disputing he has played one championship game. Im disputing that Tyrone need to be "careful" with him. They don't.
The fact that he has played one senior county championship game is neither here nor there. It's the fact that you seem to think THAT is why tyrone need to be "careful" with him. It's a direct contradiction. It's not his fault, he would've played more had tyrone played more.
My assertions aren't "crazy". If he performs he will play, because he is good enough. That's all i'm saying. His age or being "slight" is absolutely irrelevant. It's not difficult to understand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM

You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.


Are you disputing he has only played one Championship game or something? It's a fact.

Of course we need to be careful with him, he's a 20 year old with all to prove and we need to be careful how we manage him.

I cannot see where you are seeing a contradiction there. You've made the statement but it makes no sense and you've made no effort to explain it at all.

QuoteHe had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why.He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.

And we would have a much better idea when he plays more Championship games. Do you normally judge players on a sample of their Championship debuts? It seems like you are judging a player solely on 50 minutes of Championship action.

QuoteAgain, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.

I think a player's physical level is very important these days. Skilful players don't come out on top of physical players every day of the week. Are you now saying the likes of Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan are not skillful players? They have found the physical level of intercounty football extremely tough which is why they have struggled to make an impact at this level for Tyrone. We had young Mulgrew pick up rave reviews a few years back when he scored 2-01 in an All Ireland quarter final at the same age Canavan is now, he was a big prospect then and has barely kicked a ball for Tyrone.


Young Canavan shipped a heavy knock against Donegal and had to come off shortly after as well.



QuoteHe is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.

I never said anything to the contrary in what you said. All I said was that he has only played one game of Championship football and is only 20 years old and still physically developing so we should be careful with him. If he is doing the business then he will play, no questions but on a sample of 50 minutes of Championship football it is crazy to making the kind of assertions you are.

May I revert you back to your initial post:

QuoteMcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

2 years ago. McAliskey was Tyrone's top scorer as they reached an All Ireland final. Only Conor McManus scored more in the Championship that year, only Ciaran Kilkenny scored more from play. In contrast Darragh Canavan has played 50 minutes of Championship action.

I think your comments are extremely disrespectful and dismissive to a player like McAliskey who is a fine performer in his own right
No, im not disputing he has played one championship game. Im disputing that Tyrone need to be "careful" with him. They don't.
The fact that he has played one senior county championship game is neither here nor there. It's the fact that you seem to think THAT is why tyrone need to be "careful" with him. It's a direct contradiction. It's not his fault, he would've played more had tyrone played more.
My assertions aren't "crazy". If he performs he will play, because he is good enough. That's all i'm saying. His age or being "slight" is absolutely irrelevant. It's not difficult to understand.

Yet you find it ridiculous that a 20 year old who has played one Championship game, has an awful lot of physical development to make yet might find it hard to dislodge a player like McAliskey returning to the fold after a year out when he was the second top scorer in Championship football 2 years ago.

I think Tyrone need to be careful with a young player like Canavan, certainly. I don't think I'd be the only poster who would have that viewpoint here. Look if he comes in and keeps playing well, then fair play to him, he'll deserve his spot.

I found your post to be completely disrespectful to a proven intercounty performer like McAliskey. Why is it laughable that McAliskey would be ahead of Canavan? Their your words after all. Is it on the basis of the 50 minutes of Championship action Canavan has played? I do find that difficult to understand so maybe you should address it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on December 30, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM

You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.


Are you disputing he has only played one Championship game or something? It's a fact.

Of course we need to be careful with him, he's a 20 year old with all to prove and we need to be careful how we manage him.

I cannot see where you are seeing a contradiction there. You've made the statement but it makes no sense and you've made no effort to explain it at all.

QuoteHe had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why.He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.

And we would have a much better idea when he plays more Championship games. Do you normally judge players on a sample of their Championship debuts? It seems like you are judging a player solely on 50 minutes of Championship action.

QuoteAgain, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.

I think a player's physical level is very important these days. Skilful players don't come out on top of physical players every day of the week. Are you now saying the likes of Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan are not skillful players? They have found the physical level of intercounty football extremely tough which is why they have struggled to make an impact at this level for Tyrone. We had young Mulgrew pick up rave reviews a few years back when he scored 2-01 in an All Ireland quarter final at the same age Canavan is now, he was a big prospect then and has barely kicked a ball for Tyrone.


Young Canavan shipped a heavy knock against Donegal and had to come off shortly after as well.



QuoteHe is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.

I never said anything to the contrary in what you said. All I said was that he has only played one game of Championship football and is only 20 years old and still physically developing so we should be careful with him. If he is doing the business then he will play, no questions but on a sample of 50 minutes of Championship football it is crazy to making the kind of assertions you are.

May I revert you back to your initial post:

QuoteMcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

2 years ago. McAliskey was Tyrone's top scorer as they reached an All Ireland final. Only Conor McManus scored more in the Championship that year, only Ciaran Kilkenny scored more from play. In contrast Darragh Canavan has played 50 minutes of Championship action.

I think your comments are extremely disrespectful and dismissive to a player like McAliskey who is a fine performer in his own right
No, im not disputing he has played one championship game. Im disputing that Tyrone need to be "careful" with him. They don't.
The fact that he has played one senior county championship game is neither here nor there. It's the fact that you seem to think THAT is why tyrone need to be "careful" with him. It's a direct contradiction. It's not his fault, he would've played more had tyrone played more.
My assertions aren't "crazy". If he performs he will play, because he is good enough. That's all i'm saying. His age or being "slight" is absolutely irrelevant. It's not difficult to understand.

Yet you find it ridiculous that a 20 year old who has played one Championship game, has an awful lot of physical development to make yet might find it hard to dislodge a player like McAliskey returning to the fold after a year out when he was the second top scorer in Championship football 2 years ago.

I think Tyrone need to be careful with a young player like Canavan, certainly. I don't think I'd be the only poster who would have that viewpoint here. Look if he comes in and keeps playing well, then fair play to him, he'll deserve his spot.

I found your post to be completely disrespectful to a proven intercounty performer like McAliskey. Why is it laughable that McAliskey would be ahead of Canavan? Their your words after all. Is it on the basis of the 50 minutes of Championship action Canavan has played? I do find that difficult to understand so maybe you should address it.

" I don't think I'd be the only poster who would have that viewpoint here"

Perhaps not, but your certainly the only one constantly argues with people who's opinion differs from yours

Unless you Logan or Dooher in secret, then everyone else is entitled to their opinion and guess what, your not always right. Again, unless your Donald Trump
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM

You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.


Are you disputing he has only played one Championship game or something? It's a fact.

Of course we need to be careful with him, he's a 20 year old with all to prove and we need to be careful how we manage him.

I cannot see where you are seeing a contradiction there. You've made the statement but it makes no sense and you've made no effort to explain it at all.

QuoteHe had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why.He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.

And we would have a much better idea when he plays more Championship games. Do you normally judge players on a sample of their Championship debuts? It seems like you are judging a player solely on 50 minutes of Championship action.

QuoteAgain, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.

I think a player's physical level is very important these days. Skilful players don't come out on top of physical players every day of the week. Are you now saying the likes of Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan are not skillful players? They have found the physical level of intercounty football extremely tough which is why they have struggled to make an impact at this level for Tyrone. We had young Mulgrew pick up rave reviews a few years back when he scored 2-01 in an All Ireland quarter final at the same age Canavan is now, he was a big prospect then and has barely kicked a ball for Tyrone.


Young Canavan shipped a heavy knock against Donegal and had to come off shortly after as well.



QuoteHe is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.

I never said anything to the contrary in what you said. All I said was that he has only played one game of Championship football and is only 20 years old and still physically developing so we should be careful with him. If he is doing the business then he will play, no questions but on a sample of 50 minutes of Championship football it is crazy to making the kind of assertions you are.

May I revert you back to your initial post:

QuoteMcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

2 years ago. McAliskey was Tyrone's top scorer as they reached an All Ireland final. Only Conor McManus scored more in the Championship that year, only Ciaran Kilkenny scored more from play. In contrast Darragh Canavan has played 50 minutes of Championship action.

I think your comments are extremely disrespectful and dismissive to a player like McAliskey who is a fine performer in his own right
No, im not disputing he has played one championship game. Im disputing that Tyrone need to be "careful" with him. They don't.
The fact that he has played one senior county championship game is neither here nor there. It's the fact that you seem to think THAT is why tyrone need to be "careful" with him. It's a direct contradiction. It's not his fault, he would've played more had tyrone played more.
My assertions aren't "crazy". If he performs he will play, because he is good enough. That's all i'm saying. His age or being "slight" is absolutely irrelevant. It's not difficult to understand.

Yet you find it ridiculous that a 20 year old who has played one Championship game, has an awful lot of physical development to make yet might find it hard to dislodge a player like McAliskey returning to the fold after a year out when he was the second top scorer in Championship football 2 years ago.

I think Tyrone need to be careful with a young player like Canavan, certainly. I don't think I'd be the only poster who would have that viewpoint here. Look if he comes in and keeps playing well, then fair play to him, he'll deserve his spot.

I found your post to be completely disrespectful to a proven intercounty performer like McAliskey. Why is it laughable that McAliskey would be ahead of Canavan? Their your words after all. Is it on the basis of the 50 minutes of Championship action Canavan has played? I do find that difficult to understand so maybe you should address it.
Alright numb nuts, so you're putting words in peoples mouths now. Do you want to pinpoint where i said that, put up, or shut up.
Ill tell you again.
Tyrone does not need to be "careful" with Canavan. For any reason. I've explained why. End of story.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 01:21:41 AM
Quote from: Club boi on December 30, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM

You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.


Are you disputing he has only played one Championship game or something? It's a fact.

Of course we need to be careful with him, he's a 20 year old with all to prove and we need to be careful how we manage him.

I cannot see where you are seeing a contradiction there. You've made the statement but it makes no sense and you've made no effort to explain it at all.

QuoteHe had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why.He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.

And we would have a much better idea when he plays more Championship games. Do you normally judge players on a sample of their Championship debuts? It seems like you are judging a player solely on 50 minutes of Championship action.

QuoteAgain, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.

I think a player's physical level is very important these days. Skilful players don't come out on top of physical players every day of the week. Are you now saying the likes of Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan are not skillful players? They have found the physical level of intercounty football extremely tough which is why they have struggled to make an impact at this level for Tyrone. We had young Mulgrew pick up rave reviews a few years back when he scored 2-01 in an All Ireland quarter final at the same age Canavan is now, he was a big prospect then and has barely kicked a ball for Tyrone.


Young Canavan shipped a heavy knock against Donegal and had to come off shortly after as well.



QuoteHe is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.

I never said anything to the contrary in what you said. All I said was that he has only played one game of Championship football and is only 20 years old and still physically developing so we should be careful with him. If he is doing the business then he will play, no questions but on a sample of 50 minutes of Championship football it is crazy to making the kind of assertions you are.

May I revert you back to your initial post:

QuoteMcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

2 years ago. McAliskey was Tyrone's top scorer as they reached an All Ireland final. Only Conor McManus scored more in the Championship that year, only Ciaran Kilkenny scored more from play. In contrast Darragh Canavan has played 50 minutes of Championship action.

I think your comments are extremely disrespectful and dismissive to a player like McAliskey who is a fine performer in his own right
No, im not disputing he has played one championship game. Im disputing that Tyrone need to be "careful" with him. They don't.
The fact that he has played one senior county championship game is neither here nor there. It's the fact that you seem to think THAT is why tyrone need to be "careful" with him. It's a direct contradiction. It's not his fault, he would've played more had tyrone played more.
My assertions aren't "crazy". If he performs he will play, because he is good enough. That's all i'm saying. His age or being "slight" is absolutely irrelevant. It's not difficult to understand.

Yet you find it ridiculous that a 20 year old who has played one Championship game, has an awful lot of physical development to make yet might find it hard to dislodge a player like McAliskey returning to the fold after a year out when he was the second top scorer in Championship football 2 years ago.

I think Tyrone need to be careful with a young player like Canavan, certainly. I don't think I'd be the only poster who would have that viewpoint here. Look if he comes in and keeps playing well, then fair play to him, he'll deserve his spot.

I found your post to be completely disrespectful to a proven intercounty performer like McAliskey. Why is it laughable that McAliskey would be ahead of Canavan? Their your words after all. Is it on the basis of the 50 minutes of Championship action Canavan has played? I do find that difficult to understand so maybe you should address it.

" I don't think I'd be the only poster who would have that viewpoint here"

Perhaps not, but your certainly the only one constantly argues with people who's opinion differs from yours

Unless you Logan or Dooher in secret, then everyone else is entitled to their opinion and guess what, your not always right. Again, unless your Donald Trump

Argue opinion?

I think you'll find it was the other way around here. Do you know the whole premise of a discussion forum or what do you think this is?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 01:24:47 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM

You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.


Are you disputing he has only played one Championship game or something? It's a fact.

Of course we need to be careful with him, he's a 20 year old with all to prove and we need to be careful how we manage him.

I cannot see where you are seeing a contradiction there. You've made the statement but it makes no sense and you've made no effort to explain it at all.

QuoteHe had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why.He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.

And we would have a much better idea when he plays more Championship games. Do you normally judge players on a sample of their Championship debuts? It seems like you are judging a player solely on 50 minutes of Championship action.

QuoteAgain, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.

I think a player's physical level is very important these days. Skilful players don't come out on top of physical players every day of the week. Are you now saying the likes of Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan are not skillful players? They have found the physical level of intercounty football extremely tough which is why they have struggled to make an impact at this level for Tyrone. We had young Mulgrew pick up rave reviews a few years back when he scored 2-01 in an All Ireland quarter final at the same age Canavan is now, he was a big prospect then and has barely kicked a ball for Tyrone.


Young Canavan shipped a heavy knock against Donegal and had to come off shortly after as well.



QuoteHe is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.

I never said anything to the contrary in what you said. All I said was that he has only played one game of Championship football and is only 20 years old and still physically developing so we should be careful with him. If he is doing the business then he will play, no questions but on a sample of 50 minutes of Championship football it is crazy to making the kind of assertions you are.

May I revert you back to your initial post:

QuoteMcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

2 years ago. McAliskey was Tyrone's top scorer as they reached an All Ireland final. Only Conor McManus scored more in the Championship that year, only Ciaran Kilkenny scored more from play. In contrast Darragh Canavan has played 50 minutes of Championship action.

I think your comments are extremely disrespectful and dismissive to a player like McAliskey who is a fine performer in his own right
No, im not disputing he has played one championship game. Im disputing that Tyrone need to be "careful" with him. They don't.
The fact that he has played one senior county championship game is neither here nor there. It's the fact that you seem to think THAT is why tyrone need to be "careful" with him. It's a direct contradiction. It's not his fault, he would've played more had tyrone played more.
My assertions aren't "crazy". If he performs he will play, because he is good enough. That's all i'm saying. His age or being "slight" is absolutely irrelevant. It's not difficult to understand.

Yet you find it ridiculous that a 20 year old who has played one Championship game, has an awful lot of physical development to make yet might find it hard to dislodge a player like McAliskey returning to the fold after a year out when he was the second top scorer in Championship football 2 years ago.

I think Tyrone need to be careful with a young player like Canavan, certainly. I don't think I'd be the only poster who would have that viewpoint here. Look if he comes in and keeps playing well, then fair play to him, he'll deserve his spot.

I found your post to be completely disrespectful to a proven intercounty performer like McAliskey. Why is it laughable that McAliskey would be ahead of Canavan? Their your words after all. Is it on the basis of the 50 minutes of Championship action Canavan has played? I do find that difficult to understand so maybe you should address it.
Alright numb nuts, so you're putting words in peoples mouths now. Do you want to pinpoint where i said that, put up, or shut up.
Ill tell you again.
Tyrone does not need to be "careful" with Canavan. For any reason. I've explained why. End of story.

Having a laugh by choosing a player who was 2nd top scorer in Championship football 2 years ago both overall and from play over a 20 year old with 50 minutes championship experience. Your words, not mine.

At least I am man enough to stand over my comments and debate them rationally. You don't have the decency to clarify your comments on McAliskey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 31, 2020, 01:42:11 AM
Quote from: Moonshine on December 29, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 28, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
6 is a major issue for us as you can see. I'd probably play Hampsey there myself.

Obviously midfield is another major cause for concern.

Conor Quinn would have needed to do a lot of filling out to be ready for a starting spot next year.

I'd go for something like:

Morgan

Rafferty
McNamee
Brennan

Cassidy
Hampsey
O'Neill

Kennedy
R Donnelly

M Donnelly
McKenna
McCurry

Harte
McShane
McAliskey

Mcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.
Quote from: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 01:24:47 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 30, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 30, 2020, 06:36:49 PM

You keep saying he has only played one Championship game and then go on to say that's why you need to be "careful" with him. Not sure what your point is there and if anything it is a direct contradiction to one another.


Are you disputing he has only played one Championship game or something? It's a fact.

Of course we need to be careful with him, he's a 20 year old with all to prove and we need to be careful how we manage him.

I cannot see where you are seeing a contradiction there. You've made the statement but it makes no sense and you've made no effort to explain it at all.

QuoteHe had one championship game because Tyrone had one championship game, that's why.He would have played more if Tyrone had played more.

And we would have a much better idea when he plays more Championship games. Do you normally judge players on a sample of their Championship debuts? It seems like you are judging a player solely on 50 minutes of Championship action.

QuoteAgain, it doesn't matter what age he is, or whether he is "slight" or not. You seem to think some big bad francie bellew is going to hit him a shoulder that's going to cripple him the way you're getting on. It is any wonder Tyrone have been shite this past few years, boys too worried about "physicality" and how much boys can bench press etc. Skillful players come out on top against physical players every day of the week.

I think a player's physical level is very important these days. Skilful players don't come out on top of physical players every day of the week. Are you now saying the likes of Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan are not skillful players? They have found the physical level of intercounty football extremely tough which is why they have struggled to make an impact at this level for Tyrone. We had young Mulgrew pick up rave reviews a few years back when he scored 2-01 in an All Ireland quarter final at the same age Canavan is now, he was a big prospect then and has barely kicked a ball for Tyrone.


Young Canavan shipped a heavy knock against Donegal and had to come off shortly after as well.



QuoteHe is good enough so he is there, if he out-performs the lads you have mentioned, then he will be there for the forseeable. That's simply all there is to it really.

I never said anything to the contrary in what you said. All I said was that he has only played one game of Championship football and is only 20 years old and still physically developing so we should be careful with him. If he is doing the business then he will play, no questions but on a sample of 50 minutes of Championship football it is crazy to making the kind of assertions you are.

May I revert you back to your initial post:

QuoteMcaliskey ahead of caravan your having a laugh.

2 years ago. McAliskey was Tyrone's top scorer as they reached an All Ireland final. Only Conor McManus scored more in the Championship that year, only Ciaran Kilkenny scored more from play. In contrast Darragh Canavan has played 50 minutes of Championship action.

I think your comments are extremely disrespectful and dismissive to a player like McAliskey who is a fine performer in his own right
No, im not disputing he has played one championship game. Im disputing that Tyrone need to be "careful" with him. They don't.
The fact that he has played one senior county championship game is neither here nor there. It's the fact that you seem to think THAT is why tyrone need to be "careful" with him. It's a direct contradiction. It's not his fault, he would've played more had tyrone played more.
My assertions aren't "crazy". If he performs he will play, because he is good enough. That's all i'm saying. His age or being "slight" is absolutely irrelevant. It's not difficult to understand.

Yet you find it ridiculous that a 20 year old who has played one Championship game, has an awful lot of physical development to make yet might find it hard to dislodge a player like McAliskey returning to the fold after a year out when he was the second top scorer in Championship football 2 years ago.

I think Tyrone need to be careful with a young player like Canavan, certainly. I don't think I'd be the only poster who would have that viewpoint here. Look if he comes in and keeps playing well, then fair play to him, he'll deserve his spot.

I found your post to be completely disrespectful to a proven intercounty performer like McAliskey. Why is it laughable that McAliskey would be ahead of Canavan? Their your words after all. Is it on the basis of the 50 minutes of Championship action Canavan has played? I do find that difficult to understand so maybe you should address it.
Alright numb nuts, so you're putting words in peoples mouths now. Do you want to pinpoint where i said that, put up, or shut up.
Ill tell you again.
Tyrone does not need to be "careful" with Canavan. For any reason. I've explained why. End of story.

Having a laugh by choosing a player who was 2nd top scorer in Championship football 2 years ago both overall and from play over a 20 year old with 50 minutes championship experience. Your words, not mine.

At least I am man enough to stand over my comments and debate them rationally. You don't have the decency to clarify your comments on McAliskey.

Wrong again you absolute clampit. It was Moonshine, not me. Get in the fuckin bin you complete fool. I think you'll find I havent mentioned him once  ;D We have got it in black and white now. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 01:55:23 AM
Fair enough, apologies re McAliskey.

What I said on Canavan I have explained fully. You seem to be under the impression 50 minutes of Championship has answered everything which is utter nonsense.

We have to be careful how we handle Canavan. If he performs very well but he will have a lot of pressure on him for his spot.

Mulgrew is an example of a young talent who was probably not well managed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 01:56:15 AM
How many senior club championship games has Canavan started?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on December 31, 2020, 02:01:21 AM
Hahaha you absolute fuckin clown. ;D
I've already explained why YOU'RE talking utter nonsense about Canavan, and why we DON'T need to be "careful" with him.
So therefore i'll leave it there, and i'll spare you the chance of making an absolute gobshite out of yourself yet again.
Good luck
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 02:08:31 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 31, 2020, 02:01:21 AM
Hahaha you absolute fuckin clown. ;D
I've already explained why YOU'RE talking utter nonsense about Canavan, and why we DON'T need to be "careful" with him.
So therefore i'll leave it there, and i'll spare you the chance of making an absolute gobshite out of yourself yet again.
Good luck

Plenty of insults but little in the way of actual debate from you. There's only one clown here. It's not my job to teach you what your mother should have and put some manners on you.

Ronan O'Neill is another good example of an exciting young forward we had. Did his cruciate at 19 on duty with Tyrone and never fulfilled his potential. A serious injury at that age can be detrimental to a player and their development which is why we should take care and caution with Canavan.

Now if you can't add something to that discussion other than slabbering like a spoiled infant then move along.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 01:56:15 AM
How many senior club championship games has Canavan started?

Not a whole pile actually, I can think of one he came off the bench v Coalisland in Carrickmore two years ago if my memory is on it.

That might be it, he didn't play any senior championship this year either with the wrist injury?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 11:16:07 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 01:56:15 AM
How many senior club championship games has Canavan started?

Not a whole pile actually, I can think of one he came off the bench v Coalisland in Carrickmore two years ago if my memory is on it.

That might be it, he didn't play any senior championship this year either with the wrist injury?

What I thought.

He's a tremendous talent but if people think he's already established himself a proven intercounty starter after 50 minutes of Championship action then they are for the birds. I'm sure his father will be telling him that the hard work starts now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 31, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
Confirmed that the following players have joined the training panel:
Danny Mc Nulty
Conor McAliskey
Paul Donaghy
Aidan Clarke
Peter Teague
Tiernan Quinn
Cormac Munroe
Mark Mckearney
Lee Brennan
Johnny Munroe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on December 31, 2020, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 01:56:15 AM
How many senior club championship games has Canavan started?

Not a whole pile actually, I can think of one he came off the bench v Coalisland in Carrickmore two years ago if my memory is on it.

That might be it, he didn't play any senior championship this year either with the wrist injury?

Played 3 full Senior Club Championship games in 2019 as well and was very good in each of them. Then was injured for the final and only got 15 minutes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 31, 2020, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 31, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
Confirmed that the following players have joined the training panel:
Danny Mc Nulty
Conor McAliskey
Paul Donaghy
Aidan Clarke
Peter Teague
Tiernan Quinn
Cormac Munroe
Mark Mckearney
Lee Brennan
Johnny Munroe

Is there anyone not renewed from last year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 31, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
Confirmed that the following players have joined the training panel:
Danny Mc Nulty
Conor McAliskey
Paul Donaghy
Aidan Clarke
Peter Teague
Tiernan Quinn
Cormac Munroe
Mark Mckearney
Lee Brennan
Johnny Munroe

Is that a definitive list of new additions? No Paudie McNulty or no real midfield options in those new faces and it's a position we are definitely light in at present.

Any word on departures yet? With those names added to last year's panel we would probably be carrying a panel of close to 50 at present? Presume it will be cut down shortly before the league.

Who out of that list do we think has the best chance of nailing down a first team spot. McNulty, McAliksey, Brennan, Quinn and Donaghy would be battling it out with the likes of McCurry, Canavan, O'Neill, Bradley and Kerr for what is likely two starting spots at most.

McNulty could be a good alternative to McShane if the latter is slow coming back after his injury. We really lack any sort of target man alternative in our squad so hopefully he can show up well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on December 31, 2020, 03:32:05 PM
Great to see so many men who fell foul of harte returning to the panel. Good luck Louth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 31, 2020, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 31, 2020, 03:32:05 PM
Great to see so many men who fell foul of harte returning to the panel. Good luck Louth.
Who are the "many men" who fell foul of Harte that are returning to the panel?
Brennan you could maybe argue. But he got opportunities and I think a lot of people would agree that he seemed to lack the work ethic to get himself where he needed to be athletically to play inter county football.
Outside of that I would say, for a change, you're chatting absolute putrid.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on December 31, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 31, 2020, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on December 31, 2020, 03:32:05 PM
Great to see so many men who fell foul of harte returning to the panel. Good luck Louth.
Who are the "many men" who fell foul of Harte that are returning to the panel?
Brennan you could maybe argue. But he got opportunities and I think a lot of people would agree that he seemed to lack the work ethic to get himself where he needed to be athletically to play inter county football.
Outside of that I would say, for a change, you're chatting absolute putrid.

Johnny Munroe
Danny Mc Nulty?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 31, 2020, 07:25:38 PM
Ah I think it's a stretch to claim either. Munroe was getting plenty of opportunities and then took it upon himself to walk away. As for McNulty, the man might not even make it under the current management. Has he the commitment levels required for county? Atm I'd say probably not, but God would I be happy to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 08:47:28 PM
Has McNulty not been ravaged with injuries since he got a callup under Harte when he was in his teens.

Was there not some big fallout with the County Board over covering a back injury he sustained when with Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 01, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
Mc aliskey left cause of harte. Peter Donnelly too. Shea MC guigan coming back too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 01, 2021, 12:09:08 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 01, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
Mc aliskey left cause of harte. Peter Donnelly too. Shea MC guigan coming back too?

Everyone knows that is bullshit. McAliskey said from the outset he was taking a year out and was hoping to return, Harte said the exact same thing when he dropped off the panel. You continue to pedal that bullshit line though.

"It's a personal decision for me," he said.

"It has been a tough couple of years for me both in terms of injuries and personally and I just feel the time is right to take a step back and be selfish and put myself first.

"I know the sort of commitment levels that it takes to perform consistently at the highest level and I'm not the sort of person that will do anything if I can't do it 100 per cent. I just feel that physically and mentally I'm not ready to commit to next season and Mickey fully understands my decision.

"He respected what I said to him and he said that if I think of things differently next year then we can sit down and talk and see if I have something to offer. The door isn't closed on my Tyrone career but for the moment I have to be greedy for once and put myself first."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 01, 2021, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 08:47:28 PM
Has McNulty not been ravaged with injuries since he got a callup under Harte when he was in his teens.

Was there not some big fallout with the County Board over covering a back injury he sustained when with Tyrone?

There was a fall out, and Logan was the only one who got involved and tried to sort it at the time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 01, 2021, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 01, 2021, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 31, 2020, 08:47:28 PM
Has McNulty not been ravaged with injuries since he got a callup under Harte when he was in his teens.

Was there not some big fallout with the County Board over covering a back injury he sustained when with Tyrone?

There was a fall out, and Logan was the only one who got involved and tried to sort it at the time.

It's good to see him getting a shot anyway and hopefully his injury issues are behind him.

It's a real shame we don't have a McKenna Cup or equivalent this winter for these lads to shows the management team what they can bring.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 01, 2021, 03:35:28 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 01, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
Mc aliskey left cause of harte. Peter Donnelly too. Shea MC guigan coming back too?

Your nonsense knows no bounds. Skeet had a bad run with injuries, never mind the things that were happening outside the sporting environment. He made the decision to take a break, there was no fall out in regards to Mickey Harte. Donnelly went off his own bat when he didn't get what was wanted, and I can say with great confidence that people were very happy with his replacement last year.

Shay McGuigan? Every McGuigan that deserved a chance got a chance under Mickey. There are many AI medals in that house because of him. Shay believed himself to be better than he was.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 01, 2021, 05:29:30 PM
Shea McGuigan consistenly one of the best midfielders in club action. Why wouldn't he be in the panel? In my opinion he'd be ahead of mcdonnell, and perhaps evens with Kilpatrick. Decent option, if no Fenton.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 01, 2021, 05:31:38 PM
Teague from Dromore a very promising prospect

As said before, pitty no mckenna Cup the year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 01, 2021, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 01, 2021, 05:29:30 PM
Shea McGuigan consistenly one of the best midfielders in club action. Why wouldn't he be in the panel? In my opinion he'd be ahead of mcdonnell, and perhaps evens with Kilpatrick. Decent option, if no Fenton.

McGuigan wouldn't have the size or physique for midfield at intercounty. Could potentially be a half forward but I wouldn't say he is good enough and it seems the new management team would also feel that way.

Agree on Teague think he will pushing had for a starting spot in the full back line or at centre back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 02, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 31, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
Confirmed that the following players have joined the training panel:
Danny Mc Nulty
Conor McAliskey
Paul Donaghy
Aidan Clarke
Peter Teague
Tiernan Quinn
Cormac Munroe
Mark Mckearney
Lee Brennan
Johnny Munroe
Would say Johnny Munroe might be the best addition to the panel of these players, potential option at centre half back which is a problem position at present. Stand out star man at the trials.
McAliskey will naturally go straight back in as a front runner for the corner forward positions alongside Bradley, McCurry and Canavan.
Lee Brennan in my opinion will find himself behind these players, just like he was before he walked off the panel. Wonder will he accept a role as a big impact player of the bench just like his 2018 role.
As for the rest - Donaghy and McNulty could offer nice plan B options with their size around the full forward line and as potential alternatives in the absense of McShane. The rest it's hard to see much of a path to the match day panel for them, be a case of biding their time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 02, 2021, 02:37:39 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on January 02, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 31, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
Confirmed that the following players have joined the training panel:
Danny Mc Nulty
Conor McAliskey
Paul Donaghy
Aidan Clarke
Peter Teague
Tiernan Quinn
Cormac Munroe
Mark Mckearney
Lee Brennan
Johnny Munroe
Would say Johnny Munroe might be the best addition to the panel of these players, potential option at centre half back which is a problem position at present. Stand out star man at the trials.
McAliskey will naturally go straight back in as a front runner for the corner forward positions alongside Bradley, McCurry and Canavan.
Lee Brennan in my opinion will find himself behind these players, just like he was before he walked off the panel. Wonder will he accept a role as a big impact player of the bench just like his 2018 role.
As for the rest - Donaghy and McNulty could offer nice plan B options with their size around the full forward line and as potential alternatives in the absense of McShane. The rest it's hard to see much of a path to the match day panel for them, be a case of biding their time.

Could McKearney potentially make an impact. He is very slight but does seem to have that kind of ability than Ryan McHugh has for Donegal as is able to slip challenges in the more open areas in the middle of the pitch.

But I'd agree - those guys along with the likes of Conor Quinn, Grimes, Murnaghan etc are there to kind of build their experience and conditioning until such time as they are ready.

Any word on Daniel Kerr? Is he still on the panel? Think he will find it really hard now to make inroads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 02, 2021, 02:59:33 PM
Interesting that Niall Morgan played as a midfielder in the Challenge games.
Any word on who the other two keepers were?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 02, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2021, 02:59:33 PM
Interesting that Niall Morgan played as a midfielder in the Challenge games.
Any word on who the other two keepers were?

We do have some really good keepers coming through in the county at the minute.

Gallen looks a prospect, Quinn from the u20s is very highly rated too. Was impressed with Grimes from Killyclogher this year and the u17 keeper was excellent against Donegal recently (think he's Morgan from Dungannon?).

I really rate Morgan though and I'd highly doubt we'd be looking at him as a genuine outfield option?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 02, 2021, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2021, 02:59:33 PM
Interesting that Niall Morgan played as a midfielder in the Challenge games.
Any word on who the other two keepers were?
Lorcan Quinn (Donaghmore) and Oran Grimes (Killyclogher). Benny Gallen also played outfield at the trials.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 02, 2021, 05:33:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 02, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
I really rate Morgan though and I'd highly doubt we'd be looking at him as a genuine outfield option?

Agreed. We'd lose more with him out of nets than we would gain from him being outfield IMO. I do rate Quinn from Donaghmore I would imagine he would be the successor to Morgan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on January 02, 2021, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 01, 2021, 05:29:30 PM
Shea McGuigan consistenly one of the best midfielders in club action. Why wouldn't he be in the panel? In my opinion he'd be ahead of mcdonnell, and perhaps evens with Kilpatrick. Decent option, if no Fenton.

I take it you haven't been to too many Ardboe games then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 04, 2021, 10:46:40 AM
Niall Morgan doesn't operate in midfield for Edendork, I don't know where that has come from really. Maybe working on something tactical.

He would be playing a free sweeping role for them. Excellent kick passer obviously and at county level. But with the top teams operating now on a full pressing game really, is it a goer? Maybe just something they might think about chasing a game - pushing him outfield onto the last man or to free an outfield player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on January 04, 2021, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 04, 2021, 10:46:40 AM
Niall Morgan doesn't operate in midfield for Edendork, I don't know where that has come from really. Maybe working on something tactical.

He would be playing a free sweeping role for them. Excellent kick passer obviously and at county level. But with the top teams operating now on a full pressing game really, is it a goer? Maybe just something they might think about chasing a game - pushing him outfield onto the last man or to free an outfield player.

Lads Morgan isn't going to be playing outfield for Tyrone, nor Benny Gallen for that matter. I'd say it was a case of making up the numbers. New keepers on trial in nets so these other two played outfield to make up the numbers or avoid playing trialists outside their normal positions which wouldn't have been fair on them. Wouldn't get too worked up over it. Not that I have any insight or anything, just assuming!

Can't argue with the new names added, each deserves a chance. Other names mentioned already had a pop and didn't make it and at this point in their careers, aren't going to improve things. These young lads deserve a crack at it and good luck to them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 12:07:19 PM
Morgan will not be playing outfield.

He is a nailed on starter in nets
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on January 04, 2021, 12:46:30 PM
It's not the first time he's played outfield at Tyrone trials.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 04, 2021, 01:51:44 PM
Fergal gave a superb interview to RTE at the weekend.Very honest appraisal of the task ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 07, 2021, 02:52:21 PM
Going by last nights goings on in Washington I suppose we should grateful for a smooth transition of power in Tyrone from Stalin himself over to our new saviours Logan and Dooher.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 07, 2021, 06:03:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 07, 2021, 02:52:21 PM
Going by last nights goings on in Washington I suppose we should grateful for a smooth transition of power in Tyrone from Stalin himself over to our new saviours Logan and Dooher.

That was STG's next step if Mickey had got another year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 07, 2021, 07:35:40 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 07, 2021, 06:03:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 07, 2021, 02:52:21 PM
Going by last nights goings on in Washington I suppose we should grateful for a smooth transition of power in Tyrone from Stalin himself over to our new saviours Logan and Dooher.

That was STG's next step if Mickey had got another year.
He would be of a similar mindset.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
Kyle Coney calls it a day.

Never really worked out for him at senior level but he was some player underage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 07, 2021, 09:08:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
Kyle Coney calls it a day.

Never really worked out for him at senior level but he was some player underage.
Wonder will any of the other boys cut from the panel call it retirement as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on January 07, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
Kyle Coney calls it a day.

Never really worked out for him at senior level but he was some player underage.

What age is he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 07, 2021, 11:42:45 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 07, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
Kyle Coney calls it a day.

Never really worked out for him at senior level but he was some player underage.

What age is he?

He would be 30 if I'm guessing correctly. He could be involved yet if the latest injury rumour is true on the senior panel.

Kyle bags of talent, but similar to Lee Brennan in that I just don't think he has the pace or work ethic for county level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 08, 2021, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on January 07, 2021, 11:42:45 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 07, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
Kyle Coney calls it a day.

Never really worked out for him at senior level but he was some player underage.

What age is he?

He would be 30 if I'm guessing correctly. He could be involved yet if the latest injury rumour is true on the senior panel.

Kyle bags of talent, but similar to Lee Brennan in that I just don't think he has the pace or work ethic for county level.

What's the latest injury rumour?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 08, 2021, 09:19:19 AM
Apparently another bad injury for God's son. If true that lad has had nothing but bad luck on the injury front.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
Coney is an excellent player.

Probably a victim of playing styles. Look at how he plays for Ardboe, deep playmaker controlling then bursting through. Then look at when he comes in for Tyrone, wing forward and has to track some GPS burster. It must be hard to adapt no matter how good you are when you rarely play in what is your favourited position?

I wonder does he regret not staying with the Swans.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on January 08, 2021, 09:33:33 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
Coney is an excellent player.

Probably a victim of playing styles. Look at how he plays for Ardboe, deep playmaker controlling then bursting through. Then look at when he comes in for Tyrone, wing forward and has to track some GPS burster. It must be hard to adapt no matter how good you are when you rarely play in what is your favourited position?

I wonder does he regret not staying with the Swans.

Is there a roll for that type of player in the gaa now i.e. a 'free spirit' who just does their own thing and floats all over the final third?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 08, 2021, 10:48:24 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 08, 2021, 09:33:33 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
Coney is an excellent player.

Probably a victim of playing styles. Look at how he plays for Ardboe, deep playmaker controlling then bursting through. Then look at when he comes in for Tyrone, wing forward and has to track some GPS burster. It must be hard to adapt no matter how good you are when you rarely play in what is your favourited position?

I wonder does he regret not staying with the Swans.

Is there a roll for that type of player in the gaa now i.e. a 'free spirit' who just does their own thing and floats all over the final third?

If he's good enough there is. You could say Clifford or any top marksman will be given that license. But if you're given that license you're going to be targetted by the opposition and that's what was Coney's flaw for me. He didn't like the heat and if you're a top player playing at the top level then you're going to get dogged. McManus, Murphy, Clifford etc they all get that treatment and what separates the elite level players and those below them is if they can still perform with that.

What's the word on young Canavan so? As long as it's not the ACL, then hopefully he can come back this year to play a part. We've seen it before with the likes of Ronan O'Neill and Conor Clarke how an ACL can end during the early part of your career.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 08, 2021, 12:15:55 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on January 07, 2021, 11:42:45 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 07, 2021, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
Kyle Coney calls it a day.

Never really worked out for him at senior level but he was some player underage.

What age is he?

He would be 30 if I'm guessing correctly. He could be involved yet if the latest injury rumour is true on the senior panel.

Kyle bags of talent, but similar to Lee Brennan in that I just don't think he has the pace or work ethic for county level.
Loaded with attacking options atm, they can certainly cover an injury without having to resort to calling players back in who they've cut from the panel.
Injury to canavan has the potential to provide more game time for Tiarnan Quinn and Paul Donaghy. So could be a big opportunity for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on January 11, 2021, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 07, 2021, 09:08:36 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
Kyle Coney calls it a day.

Never really worked out for him at senior level but he was some player underage.
Wonder will any of the other boys cut from the panel call it retirement as well.

I remember the day when I retired from the school team in 3rd Year!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 11, 2021, 10:30:16 AM
Everyman who wore the jersey should be respected for the service they gave.Not easy the commitment needed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on January 11, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Indeed +1

On a different note, I read Damian Casey, Tyrone's premier hurler giving the CB a trimming in Saturdays IN. The hurling county team haven't a manager in place yet, it is nothing short of a scandal for the CB, and to use Covid as an excuse is further example of the disrespect they pay Gaels. Do they think we are fools. Didn't take them long to sort the football management out, covid didn't feck that up. And to use it for the reason not to have a hurling manager, wtf. What is also alarming is that this is the first comment on this thread. These hurling clubs have been keeping the great small ball game alive  in Tyrone county, they could at least get some help from the officials who are charged with promoting the game. To say he has never used the main changing room in Garvaghey is unbelievable. Are Tyrone hurlers the Kilkenny version their football team. I never played the game but I just can't get over why they have to be so badly treated, why?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 11, 2021, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 11, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Indeed +1

On a different note, I read Damian Casey, Tyrone's premier hurler giving the CB a trimming in Saturdays IN. The hurling county team haven't a manager in place yet, it is nothing short of a scandal for the CB, and to use Covid as an excuse is further example of the disrespect they pay Gaels. Do they think we are fools. Didn't take them long to sort the football management out, covid didn't feck that up. And to use it for the reason not to have a hurling manager, wtf. What is also alarming is that this is the first comment on this thread. These hurling clubs have been keeping the great small ball game alive  in Tyrone county, they could at least get some help from the officials who are charged with promoting the game. To say he has never used the main changing room in Garvaghey is unbelievable. Are Tyrone hurlers the Kilkenny version their football team. I never played the game but I just can't get over why they have to be so badly treated, why?

Did you ever think nobody wanted the job (at the rate going, these days)?

It's not uncommon in the weaker hurling counties in the North.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on January 11, 2021, 04:04:37 PM
Did I ever think no one wanted the job? No I didn't and you shouldn't either as a good hurling man was interested . But by xmas no one from the CB had bothered to talk to it so he withdrew. I guess Fergal Logan would have done the same by that stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on January 11, 2021, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 11, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Indeed +1

On a different note, I read Damian Casey, Tyrone's premier hurler giving the CB a trimming in Saturdays IN. The hurling county team haven't a manager in place yet, it is nothing short of a scandal for the CB, and to use Covid as an excuse is further example of the disrespect they pay Gaels. Do they think we are fools. Didn't take them long to sort the football management out, covid didn't feck that up. And to use it for the reason not to have a hurling manager, wtf. What is also alarming is that this is the first comment on this thread. These hurling clubs have been keeping the great small ball game alive  in Tyrone county, they could at least get some help from the officials who are charged with promoting the game. To say he has never used the main changing room in Garvaghey is unbelievable. Are Tyrone hurlers the Kilkenny version their football team. I never played the game but I just can't get over why they have to be so badly treated, why?
[/quote

Mattie Lennon, according to Casey, has serious problems too with the county board.  He says that the previous administrstion was very good.

By the way, D. Casey is some hurler. Would walk on to any team in Ireland fantastic talent.]
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on January 12, 2021, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 11, 2021, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 11, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Indeed +1

On a different note, I read Damian Casey, Tyrone's premier hurler giving the CB a trimming in Saturdays IN. The hurling county team haven't a manager in place yet, it is nothing short of a scandal for the CB, and to use Covid as an excuse is further example of the disrespect they pay Gaels. Do they think we are fools. Didn't take them long to sort the football management out, covid didn't feck that up. And to use it for the reason not to have a hurling manager, wtf. What is also alarming is that this is the first comment on this thread. These hurling clubs have been keeping the great small ball game alive  in Tyrone county, they could at least get some help from the officials who are charged with promoting the game. To say he has never used the main changing room in Garvaghey is unbelievable. Are Tyrone hurlers the Kilkenny version their football team. I never played the game but I just can't get over why they have to be so badly treated, why?
[/quote

Mattie Lennon, according to Casey, has serious problems too with the county board.  He says that the previous administrstion was very good.

By the way, D. Casey is some hurler. Would walk on to any team in Ireland fantastic talent.]

No he would not. He is great at the frees and is decent but he wouldn't get near the Antrim team. He is telling one side of the story. There is a lot of politics going on here as the county chair is from Carrickmore, and they are Casey's club teams greatest rivals. What would be deemed a creditable hurling man in one players eyes, may be a bollix in another mans eyes. I have heard they are waiting on someone to come back to the mwho has a proven record at county level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:27:39 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on January 12, 2021, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 11, 2021, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 11, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Indeed +1

On a different note, I read Damian Casey, Tyrone's premier hurler giving the CB a trimming in Saturdays IN. The hurling county team haven't a manager in place yet, it is nothing short of a scandal for the CB, and to use Covid as an excuse is further example of the disrespect they pay Gaels. Do they think we are fools. Didn't take them long to sort the football management out, covid didn't feck that up. And to use it for the reason not to have a hurling manager, wtf. What is also alarming is that this is the first comment on this thread. These hurling clubs have been keeping the great small ball game alive  in Tyrone county, they could at least get some help from the officials who are charged with promoting the game. To say he has never used the main changing room in Garvaghey is unbelievable. Are Tyrone hurlers the Kilkenny version their football team. I never played the game but I just can't get over why they have to be so badly treated, why?
[/quote

Mattie Lennon, according to Casey, has serious problems too with the county board.  He says that the previous administrstion was very good.

By the way, D. Casey is some hurler. Would walk on to any team in Ireland fantastic talent.]

No he would not. He is great at the frees and is decent but he wouldn't get near the Antrim team. He is telling one side of the story. There is a lot of politics going on here as the county chair is from Carrickmore, and they are Casey's club teams greatest rivals. What would be deemed a creditable hurling man in one players eyes, may be a bollix in another mans eyes. I have heard they are waiting on someone to come back to the mwho has a proven record at county level.

Yes, he'd make the Antrim team.  He's a standout and if he got to a higher level of competition, he'd thrive.

Not sure of the internal politics - you've obviously got a view - but a county board should, have a manager in place by now.

It's not as if they didn't have much time or it's a huge task.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on January 13, 2021, 03:47:27 PM
Wee Roddy, this is the Casey who was selected on the Ulster side when the inter provincial series was on a few years ago and also selected on the Irish shinty team, and you think he wouldn't make a mid table Antrim team ffs. Your Carrickmore hatred of Dungannon hurling club is shining through lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 13, 2021, 05:50:07 PM
PAUL Devlin has been reinstalled as Tyrone manager on a new three-year term.

His three-year term came to an end following their All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin prior to Christmas, but it was widely expected that he would be handed an extension after guiding the Tyrone U20s to back-to-back Ulster titles.

Commenting on his reappointment, he said: "I am blessed to have the support from home and within the team, from players to the entire backroom group. I am very lucky to have a special group of individuals supporting me and helping out in a variety of ways.

"My main goal is the honest development of players as individuals and as players for club and county. If silverware comes along the way that will be good and a bonus to us all."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 13, 2021, 05:50:07 PM
PAUL Devlin has been reinstalled as Tyrone manager on a new three-year term.

His three-year term came to an end following their All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin prior to Christmas, but it was widely expected that he would be handed an extension after guiding the Tyrone U20s to back-to-back Ulster titles.

Commenting on his reappointment, he said: "I am blessed to have the support from home and within the team, from players to the entire backroom group. I am very lucky to have a special group of individuals supporting me and helping out in a variety of ways.

"My main goal is the honest development of players as individuals and as players for club and county. If silverware comes along the way that will be good and a bonus to us all."

I know we have won the last two Ulster titles but I think Devlin has underachieved with those sides in the last few seasons, we have had some outstanding forward talent there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 13, 2021, 10:16:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 13, 2021, 05:50:07 PM
PAUL Devlin has been reinstalled as Tyrone manager on a new three-year term.

His three-year term came to an end following their All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin prior to Christmas, but it was widely expected that he would be handed an extension after guiding the Tyrone U20s to back-to-back Ulster titles.

Commenting on his reappointment, he said: "I am blessed to have the support from home and within the team, from players to the entire backroom group. I am very lucky to have a special group of individuals supporting me and helping out in a variety of ways.

"My main goal is the honest development of players as individuals and as players for club and county. If silverware comes along the way that will be good and a bonus to us all."

I know we have won the last two Ulster titles but I think Devlin has underachieved with those sides in the last few seasons, we have had some outstanding forward talent there.
100% agree. There was atleast an All Ireland appearence in those teams.
Anyone else in for it I wonder? Next few teams coming through wouldn't have the same potential based on their U17 performances.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 14, 2021, 10:14:48 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 13, 2021, 10:16:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 13, 2021, 05:50:07 PM
PAUL Devlin has been reinstalled as Tyrone manager on a new three-year term.

His three-year term came to an end following their All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin prior to Christmas, but it was widely expected that he would be handed an extension after guiding the Tyrone U20s to back-to-back Ulster titles.

Commenting on his reappointment, he said: "I am blessed to have the support from home and within the team, from players to the entire backroom group. I am very lucky to have a special group of individuals supporting me and helping out in a variety of ways.

"My main goal is the honest development of players as individuals and as players for club and county. If silverware comes along the way that will be good and a bonus to us all."

I know we have won the last two Ulster titles but I think Devlin has underachieved with those sides in the last few seasons, we have had some outstanding forward talent there.
100% agree. There was atleast an All Ireland appearence in those teams.
Anyone else in for it I wonder? Next few teams coming through wouldn't have the same potential based on their U17 performances.

The U17s really should have beaten Kerry last year (2019 Championship) in the quarters, a host of goal chances missed in the first half and a red card ended up costing them.

Mark Devlin (any relation to Paul?) looked to be the star of that team, centre forward and looked a class act. Young McGleenan at midfield also looks like he has serious potential - was surprised neither were involved at u20 level this year. I think we should give Ulster a good rattle but probably don't have as good a team for competing outside as we had in the past two seasons.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 21, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
What's the thoughts on this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40211579.html
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 21, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 21, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
What's the thoughts on this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40211579.html

None, he's finished and was finished for about 4 years before that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 21, 2021, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 21, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 21, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
What's the thoughts on this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40211579.html

None, he's finished and was finished for about 4 years before that.

He won 2 all stars in the last 4 years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 21, 2021, 01:56:06 PM
Maybe so, but was shown to be targeted in every big game over those years with his lack of mobility. It's time to look forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 21, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
Might be truth in that rumour as to why Colm quit. Tyrone were conspicuous in not marking the retirement of Colm. I believe this was under the direction of Harte.... If Colm returns what does this say about Harte's tenure?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on January 21, 2021, 03:58:33 PM
I think he would be a good addition for a season or two under the new management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 21, 2021, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 21, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
Might be truth in that rumour as to why Colm quit. Tyrone were conspicuous in not marking the retirement of Colm. I believe this was under the direction of Harte.... If Colm returns what does this say about Harte's tenure?

This adds more fuel to the fire regarding the rumour. Not a word from Harte to thank CC on his retirement after all the service he had given Tyrone.
If Colm had been playing against Donegal, I doubt Mogan would have scored that goal in the first half - he wouldn't have got up the middle unopposed selling dummies to our 3 of our defenders for fun FFS
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 21, 2021, 08:33:40 PM
Donegal did the same last year when cavanagh was playing so not sure about that one now!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on January 22, 2021, 08:49:48 AM
what rumour?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 22, 2021, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: BIGONE on January 22, 2021, 08:49:48 AM
what rumour?

Colm allegedly led the anti Harte player movement. Looking back now he's gone.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 22, 2021, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 21, 2021, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 21, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 21, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
What's the thoughts on this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40211579.html

None, he's finished and was finished for about 4 years before that.

He won 2 all stars in the last 4 years?

Don't let that fact get in the way of anything  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 22, 2021, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on January 22, 2021, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 21, 2021, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 21, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 21, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
What's the thoughts on this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40211579.html

None, he's finished and was finished for about 4 years before that.

He won 2 all stars in the last 4 years?

Don't let that fact get in the way of anything  ::)

Rewatch the 2017 final v Dublin. I think Cavanagh got an All Star that year too. Dublin went after him, at every single opportunity and he was destroyed. Those oles are still in my mind. You don't forget that kind of embarrassing easily.

He retired, the ship is going in a new direction. Exciting times with a youthful set up. No need for him back unless he's happy to be a last 15, helping see a game out man. In which case, of course, why not - But I don't see Cavanagh being happy as a bit part player somehow. He can't start, Christ could you imagine Fenton running at him now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 22, 2021, 02:07:10 PM
Like him or hate Colm was probably Tyrone's best player over the last 5 years and certainly towards the end of Harte's reign of terror. He papered over a lot of Harte's inadequacies as a manager and shored up a team that had very little ambition as most of the counties best players refused to tog out. Harte should thank Colm from the bottom of his heart because his managerial record is only blotted and not completely ruined. Louth is Harte's level now. Division 4.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 22, 2021, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on January 22, 2021, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 21, 2021, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 21, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 21, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
What's the thoughts on this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40211579.html

None, he's finished and was finished for about 4 years before that.

He won 2 all stars in the last 4 years?

Don't let that fact get in the way of anything  ::)

Rewatch the 2017 final v Dublin. I think Cavanagh got an All Star that year too. Dublin went after him, at every single opportunity and he was destroyed. Those oles are still in my mind. You don't forget that kind of embarrassing easily.

He retired, the ship is going in a new direction. Exciting times with a youthful set up. No need for him back unless he's happy to be a last 15, helping see a game out man. In which case, of course, why not - But I don't see Cavanagh being happy as a bit part player somehow. He can't start, Christ could you imagine Fenton running at him now?

2018 it was....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 22, 2021, 07:50:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 22, 2021, 02:07:10 PM
Like him or hate Colm was probably Tyrone's best player over the last 5 years and certainly towards the end of Harte's reign of terror. He papered over a lot of Harte's inadequacies as a manager and shored up a team that had very little ambition as most of the counties best players refused to tog out. Harte should thank Colm from the bottom of his heart because his managerial record is only blotted and not completely ruined. Louth is Harte's level now. Division 4.
Go on then.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 22, 2021, 07:52:18 PM
. I would never have completely ruled it out, but I think at this stage unless something changes in my head over the next few weeks then I'll probably not see a return, but I wouldn't 100 per cent rule it out at this stage.

A bit of a non story. He was approached, thought about it over Christmas, probably won't.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 23, 2021, 08:48:23 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 22, 2021, 02:07:10 PM
Like him or hate Colm was probably Tyrone's best player over the last 5 years and certainly towards the end of Harte's reign of terror. He papered over a lot of Harte's inadequacies as a manager and shored up a team that had very little ambition as most of the counties best players refused to tog out. Harte should thank Colm from the bottom of his heart because his managerial record is only blotted and not completely ruined. Louth is Harte's level now. Division 4.

It's amazing how reality no longer has a place in what people say and post. Strange times.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 23, 2021, 09:13:41 AM
Reading Colm's comments I was reminded of a poster on here claiming that current Tyrone players not speaking out against Mickey showed he had their support and felt he was their best chance of success. In reality it would have been impossible for any player who wanted to play for Tyrone to have spoken out, but here we have a man who gave years of service and was in recent years pivotal to the team saying there was a widespread feeling within the panel for a while now that they wanted a change.

In particular the comments about things not changing within the setup are interesting and also that senior players clearly felt they couldn't question this or raise it. These are issues Mickey raised in his books as matters that managers needed to be aware of but that he appears to, in the end, have done himself. I always felt Mickey stayed at least 5 years too long qnd these comments support that. Fascinating too that Cavanagh questions the way "management" set them up for certain games.

Have to say also that it's unfortunate he feels let down by the fact his retirement wasn't marked by Mickey or the county board. Whatever was happening behind the scenes Colm Cavanagh put a lot into the county team (and with great support from Mickey, particularly when he struggled for a time for a role in the team) and never publicly questioned anything. Even now his comments are still guarded and qualified with praise for Mickey's achievements. Mickey and the board should have been big enough to mark his retirement with a few words of thanks. Perhaps that also is another sign that the management had become rather entrenched because it's not the kind of behaviour you'd associate with Mickey Harte.

Is Colm worth another shot? Seems unlikely but perhaps there is a certain role he could play over a season, even if he wasn't starting every game. It's a good sign at least that they are considering every option. He is right that a change after so long under 1 manager does bring a freshness that can reinvigorate existing panel members, as well as giving an opportunity to new players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 23, 2021, 12:30:19 PM
Cavanagh is done as a starter but we do have major problems in midfield. If he would be willing to come back as a 15 minute option at the end to help close games out then he could contribute but I think management are better concerned looking to the future.

If there is a midfielder we should be looking at bringing in to the county setup then that is Paudie McNulty. Any word on why McNulty isn't involved, management decided to go with other options of did he turn down a recall?

Don't really know much regarding the rumours but Cavanagh was one of Harte's first names on the teamsheet up until he quit. Personally I think players expecting public proclamations of gratitude is a bit vain, I think there's a much better look when players go quietly. I actually don't recall James Horan coming out and saying much with regard all the Mayo retirements in the last few weeks. It looks like the usual slabberers like trailer coming out and spreading nonsense to push their agenda.

Cavanagh was a great servant to Tyrone over the years, an example of a player who really worked on his game and turned in from being a much maligned player who bore the brunt of fans frustrations to being one of Tyrone's key men and a real leader. I would say Cavanagh if anything should be very grateful to Harte who stuck by him during those early years when he was lambasted for picking him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on January 23, 2021, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 23, 2021, 12:30:19 PM
Cavanagh is done as a starter but we do have major problems in midfield. If he would be willing to come back as a 15 minute option at the end to help close games out then he could contribute but I think management are better concerned looking to the future.

If there is a midfielder we should be looking at bringing in to the county setup then that is Paudie McNulty. Any word on why McNulty isn't involved, management decided to go with other options of did he turn down a recall?

Don't really know much regarding the rumours but Cavanagh was one of Harte's first names on the teamsheet up until he quit. Personally I think players expecting public proclamations of gratitude is a bit vain, I think there's a much better look when players go quietly. I actually don't recall James Horan coming out and saying much with regard all the Mayo retirements in the last few weeks. It looks like the usual slabberers like trailer coming out and spreading nonsense to push their agenda.

Cavanagh was a great servant to Tyrone over the years, an example of a player who really worked on his game and turned in from being a much maligned player who bore the brunt of fans frustrations to being one of Tyrone's key men and a real leader. I would say Cavanagh if anything should be very grateful to Harte who stuck by him during those early years when he was lambasted for picking him.

Is mcnulty not 28/29, married, young family, family chip shop business.  Not conducive to county football although the split season certainly makes things a bit easier but still an awful lot to commit to. I imagine he was at least invited to join/trial by the new management. Suppose county football isn't the be all and end all for everyone.

Need to concentrate on Kennedy and kilpatrick in midfield. Two men I think will improve with more exposure to county football. They're the best we've got anyway IMO
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 23, 2021, 03:53:53 PM
I think Colm cavanaghs playing career is probably over although he would be a good man to have at training etc to show new/younger lads what is expected of them to play for Tyrone. As for harte, thankfully he is louths problem now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: marty34 on January 23, 2021, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 23, 2021, 03:53:53 PM
I think Colm cavanaghs playing career is probably over although he would be a good man to have at training etc to show new/younger lads what is expected of them to play for Tyrone. As for harte, thankfully he is louths problem now.

You mean in a selector type role?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 23, 2021, 04:58:36 PM
Couldnt see Colm up around Garvaghey anytime soon mentoring young lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on January 23, 2021, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 23, 2021, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 23, 2021, 03:53:53 PM
I think Colm cavanaghs playing career is probably over although he would be a good man to have at training etc to show new/younger lads what is expected of them to play for Tyrone. As for harte, thankfully he is louths problem now.

You mean in a selector type role?
no, not as selector. I mean part of the panel and actually doing the training with a chance of coming on in a few games. Say what you want about both cavanaghs but they have an exemplary attitude to work and commitment in a Tyrone jersey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on January 23, 2021, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 23, 2021, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 23, 2021, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 23, 2021, 03:53:53 PM
I think Colm cavanaghs playing career is probably over although he would be a good man to have at training etc to show new/younger lads what is expected of them to play for Tyrone. As for harte, thankfully he is louths problem now.

You mean in a selector type role?
no, not as selector. I mean part of the panel and actually doing the training with a chance of coming on in a few games. Say what you want about both cavanaghs but they have an exemplary attitude to work and commitment in a Tyrone jersey.

Could southtyronegael have been colm or sean all along :o

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 24, 2021, 03:11:18 PM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on January 23, 2021, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 23, 2021, 12:30:19 PM
Cavanagh is done as a starter but we do have major problems in midfield. If he would be willing to come back as a 15 minute option at the end to help close games out then he could contribute but I think management are better concerned looking to the future.

If there is a midfielder we should be looking at bringing in to the county setup then that is Paudie McNulty. Any word on why McNulty isn't involved, management decided to go with other options of did he turn down a recall?

Don't really know much regarding the rumours but Cavanagh was one of Harte's first names on the teamsheet up until he quit. Personally I think players expecting public proclamations of gratitude is a bit vain, I think there's a much better look when players go quietly. I actually don't recall James Horan coming out and saying much with regard all the Mayo retirements in the last few weeks. It looks like the usual slabberers like trailer coming out and spreading nonsense to push their agenda.

Cavanagh was a great servant to Tyrone over the years, an example of a player who really worked on his game and turned in from being a much maligned player who bore the brunt of fans frustrations to being one of Tyrone's key men and a real leader. I would say Cavanagh if anything should be very grateful to Harte who stuck by him during those early years when he was lambasted for picking him.

Is mcnulty not 28/29, married, young family, family chip shop business.  Not conducive to county football although the split season certainly makes things a bit easier but still an awful lot to commit to. I imagine he was at least invited to join/trial by the new management. Suppose county football isn't the be all and end all for everyone.

Need to concentrate on Kennedy and kilpatrick in midfield. Two men I think will improve with more exposure to county football. They're the best we've got anyway IMO
Would Richie Donnelly not be the most established of the midfielders?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 24, 2021, 04:51:37 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 24, 2021, 03:11:18 PM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on January 23, 2021, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 23, 2021, 12:30:19 PM
Cavanagh is done as a starter but we do have major problems in midfield. If he would be willing to come back as a 15 minute option at the end to help close games out then he could contribute but I think management are better concerned looking to the future.

If there is a midfielder we should be looking at bringing in to the county setup then that is Paudie McNulty. Any word on why McNulty isn't involved, management decided to go with other options of did he turn down a recall?

Don't really know much regarding the rumours but Cavanagh was one of Harte's first names on the teamsheet up until he quit. Personally I think players expecting public proclamations of gratitude is a bit vain, I think there's a much better look when players go quietly. I actually don't recall James Horan coming out and saying much with regard all the Mayo retirements in the last few weeks. It looks like the usual slabberers like trailer coming out and spreading nonsense to push their agenda.

Cavanagh was a great servant to Tyrone over the years, an example of a player who really worked on his game and turned in from being a much maligned player who bore the brunt of fans frustrations to being one of Tyrone's key men and a real leader. I would say Cavanagh if anything should be very grateful to Harte who stuck by him during those early years when he was lambasted for picking him.

Is mcnulty not 28/29, married, young family, family chip shop business.  Not conducive to county football although the split season certainly makes things a bit easier but still an awful lot to commit to. I imagine he was at least invited to join/trial by the new management. Suppose county football isn't the be all and end all for everyone.

Need to concentrate on Kennedy and kilpatrick in midfield. Two men I think will improve with more exposure to county football. They're the best we've got anyway IMO
Would Richie Donnelly not be the most established of the midfielders?

Richie is a fine footballer but you'd have to worry about his legs in the middle of the field against the likes of Dublin. He's also one not a natural midfielder either. In saying that I'd probably partner him with Kennedy when we resume but I think that says more about our midfield options than anything else.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 24, 2021, 06:42:31 PM
Ritchie is that injury prone, you couldn't really rely on him.
As said earlier on the thread I think Kennedy and Kilpatrick deserve a good run at it in the league. They are the pick of what's available to us at the moment, and both should improve with a run of games

Is Ben Mcdonnell part of the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: samuel maguire on January 25, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
Colm C is back guys. Has been included in one of the training bubbles i am led to believe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on January 25, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on January 25, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
Colm C is back guys. Has been included in one of the training bubbles i am led to believe

Massive if true and says everything we needed to know about Harte and his reign of terror.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 25, 2021, 06:36:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 25, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on January 25, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
Colm C is back guys. Has been included in one of the training bubbles i am led to believe

Massive if true and says everything we needed to know about Harte and his reign of terror.


This isn't even a discussion. Colm Cavanagh owes Mickey a lot more than Mickey owes him. This narrative that is being spun is comical.

Cold is a solid addition. Good experience and wise head. Don't think it will be in a starting capacity mind you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on January 25, 2021, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 25, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on January 25, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
Colm C is back guys. Has been included in one of the training bubbles i am led to believe

Massive if true and says everything we needed to know about Harte and his reign of terror.

Reign of terror such shite. You like 90% of this group would of roaded colm cavanagh from the squad in them first 5 years and so would other managers as he was rubbish. Since 2013 on he has been excellent and mickey stood by him some would say developed him. As for him coming back into the county panel if true worst thing to happen. Finished at that level. Only role he can play is the role mickey made for him and got him 2 all stars from but he's forgot that.  I hope  ew management's game plan is different and if it is no room for him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reillycavan on January 25, 2021, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on January 25, 2021, 06:36:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 25, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on January 25, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
Colm C is back guys. Has been included in one of the training bubbles i am led to believe

Massive if true and says everything we needed to know about Harte and his reign of terror.


This isn't even a discussion. Colm Cavanagh owes Mickey a lot more than Mickey owes him. This narrative that is being spun is comical.

Cold is a solid addition. Good experience and wise head. Don't think it will be in a starting capacity mind you.

Massive addition to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: restorepride on January 25, 2021, 11:51:50 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 25, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on January 25, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
Colm C is back guys. Has been included in one of the training bubbles i am led to believe

Massive if true and says everything we needed to know about Harte and his reign of terror.
Reign of Terror?  When did the reign start?  2003?  Or before?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?

I really don't see it tbh. I don't think he can have too many complaints under Harte, a lot of managers would have given up on him a while ago.

I'd be more interested to see Bradley getting a go at no 11.

I'm surprised the management team are still looking at him but fair play for O'Neill to give it another bash, sadly I think that injury he had at 19 really had a massive impact on his career.

If the management see something in him then no harm giving it a try and hopefully O'Neill can prove the doubters like me wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 26, 2021, 03:32:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?

I really don't see it tbh. I don't think he can have too many complaints under Harte, a lot of managers would have given up on him a while ago.

I'd be more interested to see Bradley getting a go at no 11.

I'm surprised the management team are still looking at him but fair play for O'Neill to give it another bash, sadly I think that injury he had at 19 really had a massive impact on his career.

If the management see something in him then no harm giving it a try and hopefully O'Neill can prove the doubters like me wrong.

No chance with O'Neill, surprised he is still involved to be honest.  Doesn't say much about his dedication when he had a stone and a half to lose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 26, 2021, 03:32:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?

I really don't see it tbh. I don't think he can have too many complaints under Harte, a lot of managers would have given up on him a while ago.

I'd be more interested to see Bradley getting a go at no 11.

I'm surprised the management team are still looking at him but fair play for O'Neill to give it another bash, sadly I think that injury he had at 19 really had a massive impact on his career.

If the management see something in him then no harm giving it a try and hopefully O'Neill can prove the doubters like me wrong.

No chance with O'Neill, surprised he is still involved to be honest.  Doesn't say much about his dedication when he had a stone and a half to lose.

Haven't listened to it but did he say he had a stone and a half to lose?  :o

That's a huge amount to shift for a lad who is a fairly small player anyway. I do like O'Neill as a footballer but I just don't think he has the athletic attributes you need at this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 26, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?
Be very surprised to see anyone but Conor McKenna operating at 11.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 26, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?
Be very surprised to see anyone but Conor McKenna operating at 11.

I was told he was playing midfield in the trial games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on January 26, 2021, 04:35:05 PM
Colm cab back in a training bubble?!!! No training in bubbles of any sort bar 2 individuals allowed at present so either story is bullshit or Tyrone are breaching training rules!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 26, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?
Be very surprised to see anyone but Conor McKenna operating at 11.

I was told he was playing midfield in the trial games.

McKenna could easily play as wing forward either.

I quite like the idea of McKenna and Donnelly as wing forwards with more of a playmaker at 11. For me Bradley's best football in a Tyrone jersey came in his first season at no 11. We do now have Brennan, McCurry, McAliskey, Canavan etc so we could use Bradley further out the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on January 26, 2021, 04:35:05 PM
Colm cab back in a training bubble?!!! No training in bubbles of any sort bar 2 individuals allowed at present so either story is bullshit or Tyrone are breaching training rules!!

You didn't come down in the last shower. They are all training.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on January 26, 2021, 11:22:02 PM
So you reckon Tyrone training away then as others? Hard to believe that and if they are they are taking a huge chance of being thrown out before season starts . That be a good first season ! Unbeaten
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 27, 2021, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on January 26, 2021, 04:35:05 PM
Colm cab back in a training bubble?!!! No training in bubbles of any sort bar 2 individuals allowed at present so either story is bullshit or Tyrone are breaching training rules!!

You didn't come down in the last shower. They are all training.

Collectively in garvaghy? Genuine question. I'd imagine very few county players these days stop training throughout the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 27, 2021, 09:27:09 AM
Not Garvaghy - it's out until the GAA let it go, but Tyrone are training.

Sure they are due to play in the National League in a month, as stands. What kind of duty of care is it to players to send them onto a pitch having no work done prior like the GAA is saying? I know it's amateur, but that truly would be amateur.

They are just right, in the North they are only breaking the GAA's rule on training anyway. Elite teams are allowed to train and play as Irish League still plays every week. It might be cynical breaking of rules but that's the GAA's fault for scheduling games and then stopping people train. Every single county in Ireland is training, it would be a complete failure by them if not to be honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on January 27, 2021, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 27, 2021, 09:27:09 AM
Not Garvaghy - it's out until the GAA let it go, but Tyrone are training.

Sure they are due to play in the National League in a month, as stands. What kind of duty of care is it to players to send them onto a pitch having no work done prior like the GAA is saying? I know it's amateur, but that truly would be amateur.

They are just right, in the North they are only breaking the GAA's rule on training anyway. Elite teams are allowed to train and play as Irish League still plays every week. It might be cynical breaking of rules but that's the GAA's fault for scheduling games and then stopping people train. Every single county in Ireland is training, it would be a complete failure by them if not to be honest.

A lot more teams than Tyrone training at the minute. A lot of teams are split up and training in smaller bubbles at the minute eg meeting up in groups of 6 to do certain sessions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on January 27, 2021, 09:47:59 AM
Are there any clubs training in bubbles? Surely club football cant be classified as elite!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 27, 2021, 10:02:30 AM
Club Football isn't elite. They are bound by normal NI Legislation at moment, you can train as many times a day as you want, wherever you want (the guidance is 10 miles from home though), with one other person not of your household. So there's a right few breaches of that at the minute. But again I don't really see any harm in that - better out doing runs than in a house party I suppose.

Most of the Senior Teams will be training at this stage, but it won't be full on 30 or 40. That would be madness, word would go round like wildfire. Same thing, in small groups and in home gyms etc.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 27, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 26, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?
Be very surprised to see anyone but Conor McKenna operating at 11.

I was told he was playing midfield in the trial games.

McKenna could easily play as wing forward either.

I quite like the idea of McKenna and Donnelly as wing forwards with more of a playmaker at 11. For me Bradley's best football in a Tyrone jersey came in his first season at no 11. We do now have Brennan, McCurry, McAliskey, Canavan etc so we could use Bradley further out the pitch.
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Conor McKenna
Darren McCurry Cathal McShane Conor McAliskey.

Would be fantastic to see that come together. On paper that is serious firepower to have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 27, 2021, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 27, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 26, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?
Be very surprised to see anyone but Conor McKenna operating at 11.

I was told he was playing midfield in the trial games.

McKenna could easily play as wing forward either.

I quite like the idea of McKenna and Donnelly as wing forwards with more of a playmaker at 11. For me Bradley's best football in a Tyrone jersey came in his first season at no 11. We do now have Brennan, McCurry, McAliskey, Canavan etc so we could use Bradley further out the pitch.
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Conor McKenna
Darren McCurry Cathal McShane Conor McAliskey.

Would be fantastic to see that come together. On paper that is serious firepower to have.

Definitely would be interesting to see how it works.

Where do we see the likes of Harte and Sludden fitting into the side, if at all?

I know Harte is a bit of an enigma and tends to go missing but he has too much ability not to play for me. Do we try them out in the half back line, does that leave us a little more exposed defensively if we do? Sludden has gone off the boil the past couple of seasons, a bit like Harte when he is tagged he can be stopped too easily but on his day a fantastic footballer.

The half back line is really up for grabs. We do need a regular at 6 - I'm thinking Hampsey.

Rafferty McNamee Brennan

Sludden Hampsey Harte

Might be worth seeing how it goes - serious scoring power in that defence though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 27, 2021, 12:03:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 27, 2021, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 27, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 26, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?
Be very surprised to see anyone but Conor McKenna operating at 11.

I was told he was playing midfield in the trial games.

McKenna could easily play as wing forward either.

I quite like the idea of McKenna and Donnelly as wing forwards with more of a playmaker at 11. For me Bradley's best football in a Tyrone jersey came in his first season at no 11. We do now have Brennan, McCurry, McAliskey, Canavan etc so we could use Bradley further out the pitch.
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Conor McKenna
Darren McCurry Cathal McShane Conor McAliskey.

Would be fantastic to see that come together. On paper that is serious firepower to have.

Definitely would be interesting to see how it works.

Where do we see the likes of Harte and Sludden fitting into the side, if at all?

I know Harte is a bit of an enigma and tends to go missing but he has too much ability not to play for me. Do we try them out in the half back line, does that leave us a little more exposed defensively if we do? Sludden has gone off the boil the past couple of seasons, a bit like Harte when he is tagged he can be stopped too easily but on his day a fantastic footballer.

The half back line is really up for grabs. We do need a regular at 6 - I'm thinking Hampsey.

Rafferty McNamee Brennan

Sludden Hampsey Harte

Might be worth seeing how it goes - serious scoring power in that defence though.
Sludden and Harte back into defence and compete for their places there.
Still have Michael O'Neill, Cassidy, McKernan, Meyler, McGeary and Burns not named there who you would think Logan and Dooher have a lot of time for after their U21 spell.
The level of competition is sure to benefit the set up and having real impact men like the 2018 run will be another exciting prospect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 27, 2021, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 27, 2021, 12:03:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 27, 2021, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 27, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 26, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 26, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 26, 2021, 01:57:56 PM
Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?
Be very surprised to see anyone but Conor McKenna operating at 11.

I was told he was playing midfield in the trial games.

McKenna could easily play as wing forward either.

I quite like the idea of McKenna and Donnelly as wing forwards with more of a playmaker at 11. For me Bradley's best football in a Tyrone jersey came in his first season at no 11. We do now have Brennan, McCurry, McAliskey, Canavan etc so we could use Bradley further out the pitch.
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Conor McKenna
Darren McCurry Cathal McShane Conor McAliskey.

Would be fantastic to see that come together. On paper that is serious firepower to have.

Definitely would be interesting to see how it works.

Where do we see the likes of Harte and Sludden fitting into the side, if at all?

I know Harte is a bit of an enigma and tends to go missing but he has too much ability not to play for me. Do we try them out in the half back line, does that leave us a little more exposed defensively if we do? Sludden has gone off the boil the past couple of seasons, a bit like Harte when he is tagged he can be stopped too easily but on his day a fantastic footballer.

The half back line is really up for grabs. We do need a regular at 6 - I'm thinking Hampsey.

Rafferty McNamee Brennan

Sludden Hampsey Harte

Might be worth seeing how it goes - serious scoring power in that defence though.
Sludden and Harte back into defence and compete for their places there.
Still have Michael O'Neill, Cassidy, McKernan, Meyler, McGeary and Burns not named there who you would think Logan and Dooher have a lot of time for after their U21 spell.
The level of competition is sure to benefit the set up and having real impact men like the 2018 run will be another exciting prospect.

Definitely. Michael O'Neill impressed me a lot last season. T McCann's days could be numbered now you'd feel.

The problem for Logan and Dooher is now keeping all that squad happy.

Any other word on departures yet? Just Coney and McCrory gone from last season?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on January 27, 2021, 01:54:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 27, 2021, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 27, 2021, 12:03:35 PM
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Anyone listen to Ronan O Neill on TTM interview last night?

Thought it was a good listen. He openly said he wants a run at number 11 this year with Tyrone and feels that is his best position. He said he had been played there in all the trial games by the new managers also. Also said over lockdown he was training twice a day and has lost a stone and a half and is in the best shape he has ever been in.

Reckon he has a chance at making a name for himself in the 11 jersey? Or do you think there's more chance of him being a sub/bit part plyer as per the last few years?
Be very surprised to see anyone but Conor McKenna operating at 11.

I was told he was playing midfield in the trial games.

McKenna could easily play as wing forward either.

I quite like the idea of McKenna and Donnelly as wing forwards with more of a playmaker at 11. For me Bradley's best football in a Tyrone jersey came in his first season at no 11. We do now have Brennan, McCurry, McAliskey, Canavan etc so we could use Bradley further out the pitch.
Mattie Donnelly Mark Bradley Conor McKenna
Darren McCurry Cathal McShane Conor McAliskey.

Would be fantastic to see that come together. On paper that is serious firepower to have.

Definitely would be interesting to see how it works.

Where do we see the likes of Harte and Sludden fitting into the side, if at all?

I know Harte is a bit of an enigma and tends to go missing but he has too much ability not to play for me. Do we try them out in the half back line, does that leave us a little more exposed defensively if we do? Sludden has gone off the boil the past couple of seasons, a bit like Harte when he is tagged he can be stopped too easily but on his day a fantastic footballer.

The half back line is really up for grabs. We do need a regular at 6 - I'm thinking Hampsey.

Rafferty McNamee Brennan

Sludden Hampsey Harte

Might be worth seeing how it goes - serious scoring power in that defence though.
Sludden and Harte back into defence and compete for their places there.
Still have Michael O'Neill, Cassidy, McKernan, Meyler, McGeary and Burns not named there who you would think Logan and Dooher have a lot of time for after their U21 spell.
The level of competition is sure to benefit the set up and having real impact men like the 2018 run will be another exciting prospect.

Definitely. Michael O'Neill impressed me a lot last season. T McCann's days could be numbered now you'd feel.

The problem for Logan and Dooher is now keeping all that squad happy.

Any other word on departures yet? Just Coney and McCrory gone from last season?
Matthew Murnaghan, Conall McCann and David Mulgrew are off the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 27, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: GaelTheGael on January 27, 2021, 01:54:28 PM

Matthew Murnaghan, Conall McCann and David Mulgrew are off the panel.

I suppose no massive surprises there.

Murnaghan and Mulrgew are still young enough to come back in the future. Probably best for them to focus on their clubs at present.

McCann had ample chances under Harte and never really looked like the type of player who could help us get to where we aspired to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannslide on January 27, 2021, 09:32:46 PM
Who will be in the running for County Minor position when it goes to clubs for nominations?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: inowbest on January 28, 2021, 12:08:11 AM
Going to be very tough for Fergal and Brian to pick a final squad with the short preseason they will have. Does anyone know how many players they have on the squad at the minute? Surely they can't keep them all?

From last year's squad that was in place at around March we have lost the following players according to reports

McCrory, McClure???, Coney, C McCann, Mulgrew, Murnaghan, Loughran???

So we are probably looking at

GK: Morgan, Gallen (2)

Backs: Brennan, McNamee, Rafferty, T McCann, Burns, K McGeary, HP McGeary, Hampsey, McKernan, Kelly, C Quinn, Grimes, Cassidy, M O'Neill, Clarke, J Munroe, C Munroe, Teague (18)

MF: Cavanagh, Kennedy, Kilpatrick, R Donnelly, McDonnell (5)

Forwards M Donnelly, Sludden, Harte, McKenna, Meyler, McShane, McAliskey, McCurry, Brennan, Canavan, Kerr, R O'Neill, McNulty, T Quinn, Bradley, Donaghy (16)

So that's currently a squad of 41, possibly have forgotten a few there as well or other posters might know of any other players who have been dropped or opted out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: square_ball on January 28, 2021, 01:10:46 PM
Mark McKearney in the squad. I suppose he'd be classed as a defender?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 01:25:40 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 28, 2021, 01:10:46 PM
Mark McKearney in the squad. I suppose he'd be classed as a defender?

Ah yes, knew I likely forgot a few.

Defender I'd imagine though he played wing forward for the Tyrone u20s.

A lot of players there are fairly interchangeable anyway - Sludden, Harte, Meyler, McGeary, Burns etc
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 28, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
Cavanagh, Kennedy, Kilpatrick, R Donnelly, McDonnell

Far from convincing MF options.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 28, 2021, 03:14:23 PM
I would say you'll be looking at McShane going back out round the middle with McKenna coming back into the fold. You also have Danny McNulty (if it works out) taking McShane role on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 28, 2021, 03:14:23 PM
I would say you'll be looking at McShane going back out round the middle with McKenna coming back into the fold. You also have Danny McNulty (if it works out) taking McShane role on.

McShane needs to be in around the square, crazy moving him out from there if you ask me. Hopefully big Kennedy can step up to the plate this year.

I agree that the midfield options are very underwhelming but not too many better options inside the county at present other than McNulty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on January 30, 2021, 02:43:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: inowbest on January 28, 2021, 12:08:11 AM
Going to be very tough for Fergal and Brian to pick a final squad with the short preseason they will have. Does anyone know how many players they have on the squad at the minute? Surely they can't keep them all?

From last year's squad that was in place at around March we have lost the following players according to reports

McCrory, McClure???, Coney, C McCann, Mulgrew, Murnaghan, Loughran???

So we are probably looking at

GK: Morgan, Gallen, L Quinn (3)

Backs: Brennan, McNamee, Rafferty, T McCann, Burns, K McGeary, HP McGeary, Hampsey, McKernan, Kelly, C Quinn, Grimes, Cassidy, M O'Neill, Clarke, J Munroe, C Munroe, Teague, McKearney, Hamill, Shields (21)

MF: Cavanagh, Kennedy, Kilpatrick, R Donnelly, McDonnell (5)

Forwards M Donnelly, Sludden, Harte, McKenna, Meyler, McShane, McAliskey, McCurry, Brennan, Canavan, Kerr, R O'Neill, McNulty, T Quinn, Bradley, Donaghy (16)

So that's currently a squad of 45, possibly have forgotten a few there as well or other posters might know of any other players who have been dropped or opted out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 30, 2021, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 30, 2021, 02:43:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: inowbest on January 28, 2021, 12:08:11 AM
Going to be very tough for Fergal and Brian to pick a final squad with the short preseason they will have. Does anyone know how many players they have on the squad at the minute? Surely they can't keep them all?

From last year's squad that was in place at around March we have lost the following players according to reports

McCrory, McClure???, Coney, C McCann, Mulgrew, Murnaghan, Loughran???

So we are probably looking at

GK: Morgan, Gallen, L Quinn (3)

Backs: Brennan, McNamee, Rafferty, T McCann, Burns, K McGeary, HP McGeary, Hampsey, McKernan, Kelly, C Quinn, Grimes, Cassidy, M O'Neill, Clarke, J Munroe, C Munroe, Teague, McKearney, Hamill, Shields (21)

MF: Cavanagh, Kennedy, Kilpatrick, R Donnelly, McDonnell (5)

Forwards M Donnelly, Sludden, Harte, McKenna, Meyler, McShane, McAliskey, McCurry, Brennan, Canavan, Kerr, R O'Neill, McNulty, T Quinn, Bradley, Donaghy (16)

So that's currently a squad of 45, possibly have forgotten a few there as well or other posters might know of any other players who have been dropped or opted out.

Hadn't heard of the three other lads being added to the squad but best of luck to them.

There is a lot of what I would call development players added there for this season - admittedly C Quinn, Gallen, Grimes and Kerr were added last year.

Gallen
L Quinn
C Quinn
Grimes
Hamill
Shields
C Munroe
Clarke
McKearney
Kerr
T Quinn
Donaghy

I think those guys are mainly in there with the future in mind, building up their experience and getting equipped for the physical level required for senior intercounty football at the top level. Be interesting to see if any of those do go on to make a case for a starting spot come Championship though, it would be a big surprise if one or more of them did though. Out of that list Donaghy would have the best chance but I think he probably needs to put on a few kgs of muscle. Maybe Dooher and Logan can get him what McGuinness did for Rory Kavanagh.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: scout on January 31, 2021, 02:28:52 AM
Who's the Clarke added to the panel?
Who is he or what club is he?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on January 31, 2021, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: scout on January 31, 2021, 02:28:52 AM
Who's the Clarke added to the panel?
Who is he or what club is he?
Aidan Clarke, corner back from Omagh, pacy player with decent attitude but could do with more experience before he hits county level
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PeterEli on January 31, 2021, 01:27:17 PM
Who is Hamill?
Is Brendan Burns part of the squad still?
Have heard Ronan Nugent, Galbally, mention also as being part of the squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 31, 2021, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: PeterEli on January 31, 2021, 01:27:17 PM
Who is Hamill?
Is Brendan Burns part of the squad still?
Have heard Ronan Nugent, Galbally, mention also as being part of the squad?

Shea Hammill Donaghmore. Would have been on the same minor team that McKenna, Burns, McShane ect were on that reached the AI final in 2013.

Nugent has been long due a look at but haven't heard him being called up. A better player for me than the likes of C McCann and McDonnell and midfield is a problem area for us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PeterEli on January 31, 2021, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 31, 2021, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: PeterEli on January 31, 2021, 01:27:17 PM
Who is Hamill?
Is Brendan Burns part of the squad still?
Have heard Ronan Nugent, Galbally, mention also as being part of the squad?

Shea Hammill Donaghmore. Would have been on the same minor team that McKenna, Burns, McShane ect were on that reached the AI final in 2013.

Nugent has been long due a look at but haven't heard him being called up. A better player for me than the likes of C McCann and McDonnell and midfield is a problem area for us.

Yes, he had a brilliant year at that stage on the minor team, has he been excelling with Donaghmore in recent years? Has he played any football at University level? Likewise, Aidan Clarke, Omagh, has he been involved with u20s or University squads?

Ronan Nugent certainly as good if not better than others involved, maybe slightly unlucky with injuries but would like to see him get a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on January 31, 2021, 05:42:13 PM
Quote from: PeterEli on January 31, 2021, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 31, 2021, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: PeterEli on January 31, 2021, 01:27:17 PM
Who is Hamill?
Is Brendan Burns part of the squad still?
Have heard Ronan Nugent, Galbally, mention also as being part of the squad?

Shea Hammill Donaghmore. Would have been on the same minor team that McKenna, Burns, McShane ect were on that reached the AI final in 2013.

Nugent has been long due a look at but haven't heard him being called up. A better player for me than the likes of C McCann and McDonnell and midfield is a problem area for us.

Yes, he had a brilliant year at that stage on the minor team, has he been excelling with Donaghmore in recent years? Has he played any football at University level? Likewise, Aidan Clarke, Omagh, has he been involved with u20s or University squads?

Ronan Nugent certainly as good if not better than others involved, maybe slightly unlucky with injuries but would like to see him get a chance.

Not really sure about Hamill and how he has been doing. Haven't really heard much about him since then. We have a lot of options already in defence.

Clarke was corner back on the u20 team that won Ulster in 2020 so probably one there for the future.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 24, 2021, 11:01:42 PM
Harry Loughran having to retire from gaelic football at the age of 26.

Will be a big loss for Moy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2021, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2021, 11:01:42 PM
Harry Loughran having to retire from gaelic football at the age of 26.

Will be a big loss for Moy.

Huge loss to the Moy. He certainly knew where the goals were. He was never able to get a run of games for Tyrone due to injury, it's a case of what could have been for the county.

Sad to see any players football cut short at what should be their peak years. I wish him well and hope the injury isn't to bad that in impacts more than football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on February 25, 2021, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 24, 2021, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 24, 2021, 11:01:42 PM
Harry Loughran having to retire from gaelic football at the age of 26.

Will be a big loss for Moy.

Huge loss to the Moy. He certainly knew where the goals were. He was never able to get a run of games for Tyrone due to injury, it's a case of what could have been for the county.

Sad to see any players football cut short at what should be their peak years. I wish him well and hope the injury isn't to bad that in impacts more than football.

+1

For a man who played probably little over 100 mins of Championship football for Tyrone. He had some very big moments in them.

Very unfortunate with injuries along the way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 08, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
Terribly sad about Fergal McCann.  Rip
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on March 08, 2021, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 08, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
Terribly sad about Fergal McCann.  Rip

Awful news. Only a young man.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 08, 2021, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 08, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
Terribly sad about Fergal McCann.  Rip

Very sad indeed. RIP Fergal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on March 08, 2021, 08:06:23 PM
Awful news. Leaves a wife and 2 kids behind. RIP fergal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on March 08, 2021, 09:13:01 PM
Very sad. A thoroughly decent man. RIP.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 08, 2021, 09:56:23 PM
Very sad. Condolences. RIP
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on March 09, 2021, 10:13:58 PM
A very modest man despite training two All Ireland winning teams.
a true gentleman
RIP Fergal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on March 16, 2021, 03:22:06 PM
Terrible news about Fergal McCann.

A lot of tributes when people pass away can seem a bit patronising but you can tell by the words for him that people were speaking very genuinely and sincerely of how well he was thought of. RIP.

On a separate note and just to getting some bit of football discussion here, something I was discussing over Christmas with a few friends was who'd win between an East and West Tyrone selection.

Now how you divide East and West Up is debatable. I'd always consider Errigal more west than east even though geographically it is probably more east than west. So I'd put Carrickmore at the boundary line and as I'm going with Errigal in the West, the East get Carrickmore.

So with that mind this is what I've come up with.

East:

1. Morgan 8.5
2. Rafferty 8
3. Hampsey 8
4. McKernan 7
5. Cassidy 7.5
6. M O'Neill 7
7. K McGeary 7
8. C Cavanagh 7.5
9. Kennedy 7.5
10. F Burns 7.5
11. C McKenna 9
12. Donaghy 7
13. McCurry 7.5
14. McNulty 7
15. McAliskey 7.5

EAST TOTAL 113.5

West:

1. Gallen 7
2. R Brennan 8.5
3. McNamee 8.5
4. Kelly 7
5. T McCann 7
6. Teague 7
7. Harte 8
8. M Donnelly 8.5
9. R Donnelly 7
10. Sludden 7.5
11. M Bradley 7.5
12. Meyler 7
13. L Brennan7
14. McShane 9
15. Canavan 7.5

WEST TOTAL 114

I think what's notable is there's barely a proper midfield option in the county in the West of Tyrone. All the best natural midfielders in Tyrone tend to come from the East - Kennedy, Cavanagh, McNulty, Kilpatrick. The best I could see in the west were the two Donnellys neithr whom I think are really natural midfield options. Other than that the mix is fairly even between the two. Obviously there will be differences in a lot of views on that but I think you could easily have two Div 1 standard teams in each of those selections.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on March 31, 2021, 11:01:52 AM
Mickey Coleman is unwell in New York. Prayers required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on March 31, 2021, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 31, 2021, 11:01:52 AM
Mickey Coleman is unwell in New York. Prayers required.

Hopefully he pulls through.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on March 31, 2021, 01:15:32 PM
Heart attack while running?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 21, 2021, 09:37:09 AM
Nearly forgot about the draw last night too.

Cavan at Healy Park. Not a bad way to start it off. Very tough task for new management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Theshooter on April 21, 2021, 12:18:39 PM
Great to hear Conroy from the Moy up trialling with the county the year. Plenty of young blood on this years panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 21, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Theshooter on April 21, 2021, 12:18:39 PM
Great to hear Conroy from the Moy up trialling with the county the year. Plenty of young blood on this years panel.
Some amount of players involved with the county at the minute. Surely about 15 of them will be released back to their clubs and get game time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on April 22, 2021, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 21, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Theshooter on April 21, 2021, 12:18:39 PM
Great to hear Conroy from the Moy up trialling with the county the year. Plenty of young blood on this years panel.
Some amount of players involved with the county at the minute. Surely about 15 of them will be released back to their clubs and get game time.

If he can stay injury free he has a great chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 22, 2021, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 22, 2021, 01:30:28 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 21, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Theshooter on April 21, 2021, 12:18:39 PM
Great to hear Conroy from the Moy up trialling with the county the year. Plenty of young blood on this years panel.
Some amount of players involved with the county at the minute. Surely about 15 of them will be released back to their clubs and get game time.

If he can stay injury free he has a great chance.
Maybe longer term but good luck to him trying to get ahead of Bradley, McCurry, McAliskey, Brennan etc in the next year or two.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2021, 12:38:12 PM
10 days until the national league kicks off and barely a dickie bird about it.

I'd really liked to have seen a full league season this year, would have allowed the management team to get a good look at the players involved but it is what it is.

I'd be expecting us to qualify for the league semi-finals along with Donegal so the first match is obviously vital.

Presume we'll be carrying a big enough squad this year?

Who are the confirmed departures from last year's squad?

McClure
Coney
Loughran
C McCann
C Cavanagh
Murnaghan
McCrory

Anyone else I've omitted there. Obviously with players only recently back training and all there doesn't seem to be too much word outside the camp.

When is McShane likely to resume action? It's about 15 months now since his injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 05, 2021, 01:36:20 PM
There was over 45 on a wider panel at one stage. I don't think anyone has been cut from that but that must come soon.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2021, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on May 05, 2021, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 05, 2021, 12:38:12 PM
10 days until the national league kicks off and barely a dickie bird about it.

I'd really liked to have seen a full league season this year, would have allowed the management team to get a good look at the players involved but it is what it is.

I'd be expecting us to qualify for the league semi-finals along with Donegal so the first match is obviously vital.

Presume we'll be carrying a big enough squad this year?

Who are the confirmed departures from last year's squad?

McClure
Coney
Loughran
C McCann
C Cavanagh
Murnaghan
McCrory

Anyone else I've omitted there. Obviously with players only recently back training and all there doesn't seem to be too much word outside the camp.

When is McShane likely to resume action? It's about 15 months now since his injury.
McClure back in, they must think we're going to see something we haven't already seen before from him

To be fair I'd say McClure still offers more than the likes of Ben McDonnell.

We're not well stocked with natural midfielders. Would not be surprised to see Mattie in midfield this coming season. Think we need natural midfielders there. For me it's Kennedy and An Other.

Kennedy has had a lot of injuries since making the step up so hopefully he can get a good run of fitness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 06, 2021, 08:43:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 05, 2021, 01:36:20 PM
There was over 45 on a wider panel at one stage. I don't think anyone has been cut from that but that must come soon.

A few were let go on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on May 06, 2021, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 06, 2021, 08:43:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 05, 2021, 01:36:20 PM
There was over 45 on a wider panel at one stage. I don't think anyone has been cut from that but that must come soon.

A few were let go on Tuesday night.

I've heard that T Quinn, M McKearney, D Kerr, R Nugent, A Clarke and T Carney were cut on Tuesday. Four more to be cut this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 06, 2021, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 06, 2021, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 06, 2021, 08:43:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 05, 2021, 01:36:20 PM
There was over 45 on a wider panel at one stage. I don't think anyone has been cut from that but that must come soon.

A few were let go on Tuesday night.

I've heard that T Quinn, M McKearney, D Kerr, R Nugent, A Clarke and T Carney were cut on Tuesday. Four more to be cut this weekend.

Would have been more inclined to have a look at the likes of Quinn and Kerr than Ronan O'Neill.

No real surprises there in any case. Nugent probably a bit late now to get another chance but the rest of them will still have time on their hands to get back into the fold in future.

Who is Carney btw?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 06, 2021, 10:18:11 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 06, 2021, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on May 06, 2021, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 06, 2021, 08:43:14 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 05, 2021, 01:36:20 PM
There was over 45 on a wider panel at one stage. I don't think anyone has been cut from that but that must come soon.

A few were let go on Tuesday night.

I've heard that T Quinn, M McKearney, D Kerr, R Nugent, A Clarke and T Carney were cut on Tuesday. Four more to be cut this weekend.

Would have been more inclined to have a look at the likes of Quinn and Kerr than Ronan O'Neill.

No real surprises there in any case. Nugent probably a bit late now to get another chance but the rest of them will still have time on their hands to get back into the fold in future.

Who is Carney btw?

Tomas Carney Derrylaughan

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 07, 2021, 07:35:11 AM
What's the latest on Cathal mcShane?

Recovered fully or still rehabbing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 10:31:21 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 07, 2021, 07:35:11 AM
What's the latest on Cathal mcShane?

Recovered fully or still rehabbing?

Very hush hush.

Hard to see him being a viable option for Championship this year if he's not back in full training by now. He's been out of action for 15 months at this stage.

Will the management but their trust in McNulty if McShane is not available?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 07, 2021, 03:30:47 PM
Owen Roes had pictures of him out training with the club on FB a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 07, 2021, 03:36:55 PM
Hope to see a good bit of rotation in the panel for the league with potentially only a three week break between the League and Championship.

Donegal could be in Championship action a week after the league if they make the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2021, 08:08:57 PM
McShane and Richie D both fully fit.

Here's the starting 15 I'd LIKE to see but those named after the / is my second choice

Morgan
Rafferty
McNamee
R. Brennan
Munroe
Hampsey
Cassidy/Meyler
Richie Donnelly
Kennedy/Cavanagh
Mattie
McKenna
P. Harte
McAliskey/McCurry or L. Brennan
McShane
Bradley/Canavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on May 09, 2021, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2021, 08:08:57 PM
McShane and Richie D both fully fit.

Here's the starting 15 I'd LIKE to see but those named after the / is my second choice

Morgan
Rafferty
McNamee
R. Brennan
Munroe
Hampsey
Cassidy/Meyler
Richie Donnelly
Kennedy/Cavanagh
Mattie
McKenna
P. Harte
McAliskey/McCurry or L. Brennan
McShane
Bradley/Canavan

Cavanagh's retired? Not far away other than that - McCurry would have to be first choice based on last year but then you do want to see gametime for Lee Brennan, Bradley & McAliskey. Frank Burns I would fit in somewhere. K. McGeary or McKernan not mentioned.
Would like to see some of the younger defenders get gametime - Conor Quinn possibly..
Difficult for management to rotate too much as no room for error really this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 09, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
The half back line and midfield is really up for grabs.

I hope they don't push Mattie or Hamspey into midfield, square pegs in round holes and bother are much more effective elsewhere. Be interesting to see how  they view Harte as Sludden, could one or both of them play in the half back line next year. I do think we need to give some fresh faces a go.

I'd go a long the lines of:

Morgan

Teague Hampsey Brennan

Cassidy    O'Neill    Harte

Kennedy  R Donnelly

M Donnelly Bradley McKenna

L Brenan  McShane  McAliskey

Rafferty, McCurry and McNamee would be two starters for me but I think we can't just go with our strongest XV for every game. We've generally had the McKenna Cup to check players out and those who do well will usually force their way in. Hopefully those going well in traning get the nod.

McShane I think needs the gametime as he is short of football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 10, 2021, 04:03:20 PM
Tyrone slight favourites with PP at 5/6
5/4 Donegal

Tyrone need to sort the kick outs out. Find a reliable free taking solution. The rest should sort itself out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 10, 2021, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 09, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
The half back line and midfield is really up for grabs.

I hope they don't push Mattie or Hamspey into midfield, square pegs in round holes and bother are much more effective elsewhere. Be interesting to see how  they view Harte as Sludden, could one or both of them play in the half back line next year. I do think we need to give some fresh faces a go.

I'd go a long the lines of:

Morgan

Teague Hampsey Brennan

Cassidy    O'Neill    Harte

Kennedy  R Donnelly

M Donnelly Bradley McKenna

L Brenan  McShane  McAliskey

Rafferty, McCurry and McNamee would be two starters for me but I think we can't just go with our strongest XV for every game. We've generally had the McKenna Cup to check players out and those who do well will usually force their way in. Hopefully those going well in traning get the nod.

McShane I think needs the gametime as he is short of football.

I don't think you'll be seeing Kennedy Angelo....you might see McShane return to around the middle if Danny McNulty is doing as well as they say.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 10, 2021, 07:28:21 PM
It'd be crazy after all the good work converting McShane from an average intercounty midfielder to an All star full forward,.. to then send him back to midfield again.

McShane and McNulty together in the full forward line is exciting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 11, 2021, 07:40:39 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 10, 2021, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 09, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
The half back line and midfield is really up for grabs.

I hope they don't push Mattie or Hamspey into midfield, square pegs in round holes and bother are much more effective elsewhere. Be interesting to see how  they view Harte as Sludden, could one or both of them play in the half back line next year. I do think we need to give some fresh faces a go.

I'd go a long the lines of:

Morgan

Teague Hampsey Brennan

Cassidy    O'Neill    Harte

Kennedy  R Donnelly

M Donnelly Bradley McKenna

L Brenan  McShane  McAliskey

Rafferty, McCurry and McNamee would be two starters for me but I think we can't just go with our strongest XV for every game. We've generally had the McKenna Cup to check players out and those who do well will usually force their way in. Hopefully those going well in traning get the nod.

McShane I think needs the gametime as he is short of football.

I don't think you'll be seeing Kennedy Angelo....you might see McShane return to around the middle if Danny McNulty is doing as well as they say.

Is Kennedy injured?

McShane never really impressed out the field for Tyrone so I don't think he's a viable option there.

As God14 said above, would be crazy to convert him back out the field when he only came into his own at this level when he went inside. It would be like Kerry trying to make a midfielder out of Donaghy the season after he burst on the scene as a full forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 11, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 10, 2021, 04:03:20 PM
Tyrone slight favourites with PP at 5/6
5/4 Donegal

Tyrone need to sort the kick outs out. Find a reliable free taking solution. The rest should sort itself out.

You would wonder how Tyrone are slight favourites for the game. Donegal have had their number for a few years and with a new management time with limited timed to gel I would have put Donegal as strong favourites.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 11, 2021, 08:08:54 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 11, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 10, 2021, 04:03:20 PM
Tyrone slight favourites with PP at 5/6
5/4 Donegal

Tyrone need to sort the kick outs out. Find a reliable free taking solution. The rest should sort itself out.

You would wonder how Tyrone are slight favourites for the game. Donegal have had their number for a few years and with a new management time with limited timed to gel I would have put Donegal as strong favourites.

There's a good buzz about Tyrone right now

McKenna on board.
Brilliant club championship last year that showcased the quality in the county
New management team to freshen things up
Guys like McNulty, Brennan, McAliskey and Munroe back in
McShane fit again

There's optimism there so we'll see how it translates on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 11, 2021, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 11, 2021, 08:08:54 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 11, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 10, 2021, 04:03:20 PM
Tyrone slight favourites with PP at 5/6
5/4 Donegal

Tyrone need to sort the kick outs out. Find a reliable free taking solution. The rest should sort itself out.

You would wonder how Tyrone are slight favourites for the game. Donegal have had their number for a few years and with a new management time with limited timed to gel I would have put Donegal as strong favourites.

There's a good buzz about Tyrone right now

McKenna on board.
Brilliant club championship last year that showcased the quality in the county
New management team to freshen things up
Guys like McNulty, Brennan, McAliskey and Munroe back in
McShane fit again

There's optimism there so we'll see how it translates on Saturday.

I agree there is plenty to be excited about. Can't wait to see how the new team works as they seem to playing it close to their chest which is good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 12, 2021, 09:18:35 AM
I think the bookies are taking a bit of a gamble themselves on Tyrone, Donegal have been together under current management longer, you would think that will show in game at weekend.

The most important thing from a Tyrone point of view is not the points, it's just what the new management is going to do. Did they get rid of Harte for the attacking ball we all want? Or did they get rid of Harte for a younger rebrand?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 12, 2021, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 12, 2021, 09:18:35 AM
I think the bookies are taking a bit of a gamble themselves on Tyrone, Donegal have been together under current management longer, you would think that will show in game at weekend.

5/6 ~= .545 implied probability
5/4 ~= .444 implied probability

The bookies are never "wrong", they will make (the smart amount of) money whatever the outcome (arbitrage). They simply react to the market. In other words, around 55% of the money bet by punters on the match is on Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on May 12, 2021, 07:14:51 PM
Morgan, Gallen, L Quinn

R Brennan, McNamee, Rafferty, HP McGeary, Hampsey, Kelly, C Quinn, C Munroe, Teague

T McCann, Burns, McKernan, Grimes, Cassidy, M O'Neill, J Munroe, Hamill, Shields

Kennedy, Kilpatrick, R Donnelly, McDonnell, McClure

M Donnelly, Sludden, Harte, McKenna, Meyler, K McGeary

McShane, McAliskey, McCurry, L Brennan, Canavan, R O'Neill, D McNulty, Bradley, Donaghy


That gives a squad of 41... Could have missed a few and included a few that aren't there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 13, 2021, 08:18:06 PM
My first pick of the season
My first choice...
Morgan
Rafferty
McNamee
R. Brennan
J. Munroe
Hampsey
Cassidy
Richie Donnelly
Kilpatrick
Mattie
McKenna
P. Harte
McAliskey
McShane
Bradley

Tough leaving out Canavan and Meyler
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 14, 2021, 12:43:41 PM
Hampsey new Captain of County.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 14, 2021, 12:57:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 14, 2021, 12:43:41 PM
Hampsey new Captain of County.

Very interesting. He's had a rough two years of it with injury and has form has suffered badly.

Hopefully he's back to his best this year as he's a serious operator at his best.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 14, 2021, 04:09:07 PM
                                 1. N Morgan

R Brennan       3. R Mac Namee                          4. P Hampsey


M Cassidy           6. P Harte                                    7. M O'Neill


F Burns                                9. B Kennedy


P Donaghy            11. M Donnelly         12. C Meyler


K Mc Geary         14. C McKenna         15. R Donnelly
Substitutes:                                           

B Gallen
M Bradley
L Brennan
D Canavan
D McClure
D McCurry
HP Mc Geary
M McKernan
C Munroe
L Rafferty
N Sludden
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 14, 2021, 04:10:16 PM
Not many would have picked that team, so much to discuss. Great to see Donaghy get a rattle.

Don't have a clue how that forward line will set up tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 14, 2021, 04:31:12 PM
Couldn't expect much else really that going size for size and pack the middle in an Ulster Clash. But looks much like a Harte-like team.
Donaghy up front on his own with McKenna playing around him then unless the usual raft of pre throw in changes.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 14, 2021, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 14, 2021, 04:10:16 PM
Not many would have picked that team, so much to discuss. Great to see Donaghy get a rattle.

Don't have a clue how that forward line will set up tomorrow afternoon.

Bit of jiggery pokery with the positions I'd presume.

For all the talk of getting to see the natural forwards there you would probably say only Donaghy is a scoring forward out of that lot.

I think we might see some changes before throw in.

Obviously McShane is not fit enough yet.

Harte is not a 6 either, teams will run right through us there so I'd expect McGeary will be back filling up there as a sweeper.

6 of the U21 AI team starting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on May 14, 2021, 05:15:11 PM
Hampsey and McGeary especially are interesting choices to me as Captain and Vice.

I'm not sure the merits of Donnelly being replaced. He's always seemed to be a player who stood up and really grabbed games at times. Then again it's not all about what goes on on the pitch I suppose... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 14, 2021, 05:21:57 PM
Hope McShane is almost there.

Need a FF of his calibre to rattle the big teams
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 14, 2021, 06:46:05 PM
It's a very physically imposing team.

Thought McNulty might be given a go of McShane wasn't given a go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on May 14, 2021, 09:55:30 PM
Interesting their faith in Kennedy. Hope they get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 14, 2021, 10:41:26 PM
McAliskey injured ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 15, 2021, 12:35:23 PM
Tiernan mccann well down pecking order too it seems, first game I know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
Players who didn't make the 26:

Kelly, McCann, Teague, Quinn, Grimes, J Munroe
Kilpatrick, McDonnell
McAliskey, McNulty, McShane, R O'Neill

Anyone I'm forgetting there.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2021, 01:12:39 PM
McGeary and Burns.... we are fucked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 15, 2021, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
Players who didn't make the 26:

Kelly, McCann, Teague, Quinn, Grimes, J Munroe
Kilpatrick, McDonnell
McAliskey, McNulty, McShane, R O'Neill

Anyone I'm forgetting there.

Hamill ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2021, 05:24:59 PM
Is McGeary serious? Worst 20 mins I've ever witnessed in a Tyrone jersey. He should feign injured and get taken off. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 05:46:38 PM
Quality game of football in Omagh here.

Very open. Tyrone playing really direct. It was a strange first team selection I thought but I think it was clearly picked on the basis on Donegal and the problems we've had with them. We have picked a big physical team. Donaghy, Donnelly x2 and McKenna in the forward line gives us plenty of size.

Think the likes of Meyler and McGeary look to be playing with much more confidence. Meyler in particular is causing Ryan McHugh all sorts of problems while keeping his quiet, when he gets the ball he is looking to run at players and take them on.

Hampsey has looked really sharp too and Donaghy looks like he belongs at this level, 5 points I think in that first half, two from play.

McKenna looks frustrated inside and his composure or lack of has cost us three points, showing a lot of rustiness with his finishing.

Overall an encouraging display so far.

Hope they can kick off in the second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: referee on May 15, 2021, 05:28:08 PM
Absolutely trailer,burns and mcgeary are f**king poor,against a team like Donegal we can't afford to have any passengers which these two are,

Burns has been poor but I think McGeary has been one of our best players in that first half. Broke play up well, has been extremely positive when he's got on the ball and scored a good point.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 15, 2021, 05:57:03 PM
Encouraging enough half from Tyrone. Plenty direct kick passing. Meyler looks a different player with a positive attitude. Donaghy very good. Get few more scoring forwards off the bench will help.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 05:59:01 PM
Not a bad display from tyrone considering their main attacking players arent playing. Is mcshane still having injury trouble.

Michael mckieran does some mouthing, can't be having it. Ryan mc Hugh is in the same boat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:05:37 PM
That was absolutely pathetic from Ryan McHugh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 15, 2021, 06:15:40 PM
Terrible from McHugh, was nowhere near the head,  and McQuillan for buying the play-acting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on May 15, 2021, 06:15:40 PM
Terrible from McHugh, was nowhere near the head,  and McQuillan for buying the play-acting.

Never even occurred to me that he gave the foul for a high challenge as it was so far away from his neck I didn't think it was possible to fall for it. Ridiculous decision
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 15, 2021, 06:20:12 PM
What's with these water breaks still?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StPatsAbu on May 15, 2021, 06:22:53 PM
McHugh has been doing this for years. Will get his comeuppance soon hopefully in the shape of something to genuinely writhe in agony about
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:24:57 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on May 15, 2021, 06:22:53 PM
McHugh has been doing this for years. Will get his comeuppance soon hopefully in the shape of something to genuinely writhe in agony about

He has been particularly bad today. Roaring at the referee and linesmen over every little incident, diving at every contact.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:25:23 PM
The shooting in this second half has been abysmal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 15, 2021, 06:33:36 PM
Mchugh not to blame for our inability to kick the blame over the bar.

Meyler, Mcgeary and burns not up to county level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2021, 06:33:36 PM
Mchugh not to blame for our inability to kick the blame over the bar.

Meyler, Mcgeary and burns not up to county level.

Meyler and McGeary have been very good today.

Donaghy looks like a huge addition.

Mogan should have walked there if O'Neill's was a second yellow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:37:44 PM
I know we've been a man down for a lot of the second half but even before that we have been asleep at every Donegal kickout.

Everytime Patton has restarted the game he has been hitting a Donegal man with nobody within 10 yards of him. Just can't afford making it that easy every time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 15, 2021, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2021, 06:33:36 PM
Mchugh not to blame for our inability to kick the blame over the bar.

Meyler, Mcgeary and burns not up to county level.

Meyler and McGeary have been very good today.

Donaghy looks like a huge addition.

Mogan should have walked there if O'Neill's was a second yellow.

They've been shite. Take off the rose tinted glasses.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2021, 06:38:42 PM
Picking the same players and playing more defenders in attack is not the change I wanted. Logan and Dooher won't win any friends with this strategy. Picking a new team ppl will give them time but if it's more of the same well then f**k that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:42:02 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2021, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2021, 06:33:36 PM
Mchugh not to blame for our inability to kick the blame over the bar.

Meyler, Mcgeary and burns not up to county level.

Meyler and McGeary have been very good today.

Donaghy looks like a huge addition.

Mogan should have walked there if O'Neill's was a second yellow.

They've been shite. Take off the rose tinted glasses.

I'll tell you this much.

McGeary and Meyler did far, far more good things today than our two most established players in Donnelly and Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:44:36 PM
Happy enough with that performance. Played 30 mins with a man down, none of our star forwards played, missed simple chances due to being a bit rusty and only lost by 2 point's. Should have been a 1 point loss as I have no idea why the ref blew it up when tyrone were so close to goal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:42:02 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2021, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2021, 06:33:36 PM
Mchugh not to blame for our inability to kick the blame over the bar.

Meyler, Mcgeary and burns not up to county level.

Meyler and McGeary have been very good today.

Donaghy looks like a huge addition.

Mogan should have walked there if O'Neill's was a second yellow.

They've been shite. Take off the rose tinted glasses.

I'll tell you this much.

McGeary and Meyler did far, far more good things today than our two most established players in Donnelly and Harte.

I agree. What's with the hate of mcgeary. Played well enough today. His big issue is that he gets a rush of blood to head and always picks up silly yellow cards.

Mattie and Petey were passengers today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on May 15, 2021, 06:48:43 PM
After today you'd have to wonder how Donaghy wasn't a regular before
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:44:36 PM
Happy enough with that performance. Played 30 mins with a man down, none of our star forwards played, missed simple chances due to being a bit rusty and only lost by 2 point's. Should have been a 1 point loss as I have no idea why the ref blew it up when tyrone were so close to goal

I'd agree with that.

The negatives I'd have today:

Our shooting was very wasteful in that second half
We switch off as soon as the ball goes dead and Donegal were up the field in a split second
Discipline wasn't good, we had a few frees brought forward for yapping and O'Neill's first yellow was very silly
Midfield is a huge worry, struggle to understand how Burns saw the game out
The performances of Donnelly, Harte and McKenna


Was also interesting that McCurry and Rafferty didn't get on - were arguably our two best players last year.

Donaghy was superb, showed real leadership - demanding the ball and hit some serious scores. Hampsey also looked back to his best and McGeary and Meyler look like players playing with a lot more confidence and freedom now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:46:34 PM


Mattie and Petey were passengers today.

It was clear that we were playing much more direct today and Donnelly and Harte didn't look comfortable with it. It's hard to know where they are going to fit in. Will probably see Donnelly at midfield I think from here on but he slows the game down too much at times.

Harte just looks like a player very low on confidence, I'm a big fan of his but I don't think he justifies his place now and probably could do with a spell on the bench.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on May 15, 2021, 06:54:08 PM
Some posters would need to calm down. Think you have to be happy with the effort and performance of a lot of players. Decent first showing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:44:36 PM
Happy enough with that performance. Played 30 mins with a man down, none of our star forwards played, missed simple chances due to being a bit rusty and only lost by 2 point's. Should have been a 1 point loss as I have no idea why the ref blew it up when tyrone were so close to goal

I'd agree with that.

The negatives I'd have today:

Our shooting was very wasteful in that second half
We switch off as soon as the ball goes dead and Donegal were up the field in a split second
Discipline wasn't good, we had a few frees brought forward for yapping and O'Neill's first yellow was very silly
Midfield is a huge worry, struggle to understand how Burns saw the game out
The performances of Donnelly, Harte and McKenna


Was also interesting that McCurry and Rafferty didn't get on - were arguably our two best players last year.

Donaghy was superb, showed real leadership - demanding the ball and hit some serious scores. Hampsey also looked back to his best and McGeary and Meyler look like players playing with a lot more confidence and freedom now.

Yeah I don't think burns is up to it. I wonder how much of todays play or lack of subs was due to not wanting to show too much too soon. Of course I could be over thinking it but I reckon tyrone will be happier than Donegal.

What major changes can Donegal make compared to Tyrone the next time they meet. This was a seasoned Donegal team with majority of first team on show and they beat a limited tyrone team by 2 points
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on May 15, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Not great. Not terrible. Definitely should have won that.

The missed chances and the porous defense were the big issues. Probably too much pressing and gung-ho attacking.

I don't see the big issues some are taking with Meyler and McGeary. They were very good today. It's not as if teams play with 6 backs, 2 mf, 2 forwards. They get up and down the field and are decent on the ball. Their shooting wasn't great. Burns was pretty bad. McKenna looked rusty too. Harte and Donnelly mostly anonymous.

Donaghy looks like a great addition, to show such confidence and composure on his first game is VERY impressive. There is for once a serious range of different options in the forwards. The squad on paper looks strong aside from at midfield.

It's the first game, so can't expect them to be firing on all cylinders. A decent showing anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rich Ricci on May 15, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
What club is your man Donaghy from lads?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:59:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:44:36 PM
Happy enough with that performance. Played 30 mins with a man down, none of our star forwards played, missed simple chances due to being a bit rusty and only lost by 2 point's. Should have been a 1 point loss as I have no idea why the ref blew it up when tyrone were so close to goal

I'd agree with that.

The negatives I'd have today:

Our shooting was very wasteful in that second half
We switch off as soon as the ball goes dead and Donegal were up the field in a split second
Discipline wasn't good, we had a few frees brought forward for yapping and O'Neill's first yellow was very silly
Midfield is a huge worry, struggle to understand how Burns saw the game out
The performances of Donnelly, Harte and McKenna


Was also interesting that McCurry and Rafferty didn't get on - were arguably our two best players last year.

Donaghy was superb, showed real leadership - demanding the ball and hit some serious scores. Hampsey also looked back to his best and McGeary and Meyler look like players playing with a lot more confidence and freedom now.

Yeah I don't think burns is up to it. I wonder how much of todays play or lack of subs was due to not wanting to show too much too soon. Of course I could be over thinking it but I reckon tyrone will be happier than Donegal.

What major changes can Donegal make compared to Tyrone the next time they meet. This was a seasoned Donegal team with majority of first team on show and they beat a limited tyrone team by 2 points

McMenamin and Ban Gallagher will replace the two corner backs if fit. Potentially MacNiallais could come in also.

Young Munroe stood up well too I thought, certainly looks up to the physical stakes anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on May 15, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
What club is your man Donaghy from lads?

Dungannon via Edendork.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 15, 2021, 07:08:18 PM
Not too bad. Could have won it. As others mentioned our key men didn't play well in Mckenna(apart from first 15 mins), Donnelly and Harte.

McGeary good.  Morgan very good.  Donaghy excellent.  Dunno how he didn't get man of the match over mouthy Murphy.

Second yellow for O'Neill was a joke.  Also no foul called on Murphy closed fist in McGeary's face?

Discipline and long range shooting need sorted.

With McNamee and mcshane to come in, and more tinkering under new management I can see improvement in the future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on May 15, 2021, 07:08:43 PM
Tyrone just about matching Donegal but sending off changed everything - not sure what the ref thought he saw for that one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 15, 2021, 07:17:42 PM
Early days but pleased enough with that. Could definitely have been doing with more firepower on earlier and not sure what Peter hartes role is going to be going forward? Mattie played way too deep so had little influence. Donaghy excellent. Meyer had his best game for a long time and showed his kick passing ability. Plenty to work on but I'm happy enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on May 15, 2021, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 15, 2021, 06:48:43 PM
After today you'd have to wonder how Donaghy wasn't a regular before

To be fair no-one was suggesting Donaghy should be starting 12 months ago. Has been immense for Dungannon last year and fair play to Dooher/Logan for giving him his chance today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
McGeary kicked a few nice wides. As did Burns.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on May 15, 2021, 07:35:48 PM
Although it was disappointing not to get a result today don't forget that Donegal were going flat out and we have a lot more room for improvement.  Going forward though I'm not sure that Peter Harte has a role to play and we need to be getting more out of Mattie Donnelly and Conor McKenna as we need more leadership from those guys.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on September 11, 2019, 11:44:58 AM




A lot of talk in the club thread about potential players for next year, might be more suited here.

The u20s and u17s had some really good forwards this year but it's likely going to be another 3/4 years before they can impact at senior level and are up to the right physical levels. Was very surprised Mark Devlin didn't get named in the u17 team of the year, Donaghy of Carrickmore did but I thought Devlin was by far Tyrone's best player at that level.

Personally I'd wait for players to serve their time at u20 before bringing them into the senior fold, fair enough involving them for the McKenna Cup and maybe in the league until such time as the u20s get together but I think bar a Conor McKenna type talent we are not going to have any player under the age of 20 making a telling impact with us in the Championship.

Kilpatrick should be a shoe in for a call up this year, he would have got one last year only for the serious injury.

Other than that, we need to look at what areas we are lacking and what players we need to cut. From the cut perspective I think the following are on borrowed time:

- C McCann
- D McClure
- A McCrory
- R McHugh
- B Burns
- H Loughran


Possibly a few more I missed off the top of my head. All these lads are mid 20s or over now and haven't really made much of a contribution in the last two seasons, even including injuries.

I think we could do with another option or two in the full back line, Eoghan Murray definitely worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Not aware of many other standouts there at the minute, I think Quinn on the u20s is too light yet. I'd like to see Rafferty and McLaughlin get a lot of time in the McKenna Cup in the full back line. Michael O'Neill is definitely worth a look in a half back line where we are reasonably well served. McNally is a good club player but that ship has sailed. How is Ruairi Mullan playing for Cookstown these days? Looked like a great talent on the u21 winning side but dropped off when he got the senior callup.

Harkin seems to be rated by Harte and I suspect he'll get a callup but I'm not sure he is much of an improvement on the likes of McCann and McClure. I like Nathan Donnelly of Killyclogher and think he is definitely worth a look, good engine a very similar type of player to Meyler with probably a better scoring return.

I think Paul Donaghy has a bit of size and scoring ability about him and is worth a look at in the McKenna Cup. Ryan Coleman also worth a look as well.

Bradley and McNulty will probably return to the squad next year, I wouldn't really bother with Lee Brennan, I don't think he gets in ahead of Bradley, McCurry or McAliskey.

In fairness, Angelo was calling out for Donaghy to be introduced since 2019.

And getting abuse for it from some quarters.

The slow learners will eventually come round though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 15, 2021, 08:14:34 PM
Angelo referring to himself in the third person or he forgot to switch to one of his sock puppet accounts?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 08:22:47 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 15, 2021, 08:14:34 PM
Angelo referring to himself in the third person or he forgot to switch to one of his sock puppet accounts?

If only I could rely on such support rather than fervent hostility for being ahead of the curve.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 15, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 15, 2021, 08:14:34 PM
Angelo referring to himself in the third person or he forgot to switch to one of his sock puppet accounts?

LOL - what a clown he is
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2021, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 15, 2021, 08:14:34 PM
Angelo referring to himself in the third person or he forgot to switch to one of his sock puppet accounts?

A gobshite. Found out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 09:45:21 PM
The slow learners are out in force.

You can't beat foresight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2021, 06:46:34 PM


Mattie and Petey were passengers today.

It was clear that we were playing much more direct today and Donnelly and Harte didn't look comfortable with it. It's hard to know where they are going to fit in. Will probably see Donnelly at midfield I think from here on but he slows the game down too much at times.

Harte just looks like a player very low on confidence, I'm a big fan of his but I don't think he justifies his place now and probably could do with a spell on the bench.

Agree. Mattie can be put in midfield but would need to be a bit quicker in releasing the ball. Petey is a great player but a spell on the bench is long overdue. Numerous times over the last 3 years he should have been pulled off but never was. He seems to lack that bit of aggression which is needed at the top level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2021, 10:09:32 PM
Deluded. It was more of the same.
McGeary, Myler, and the 2 Donelleys aren't forwards. It's debateable if McGeary and Myler are footballers. If Logan and Dooher keep this shit up we'll be beaten comprehensively. If Logan and Dooher want to prolong their management careers they need to act.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 10:14:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2021, 10:09:32 PM
Deluded. It was more of the same.
McGeary, Myler, and the 2 Donelleys aren't forwards. It's debateable if McGeary and Myler are footballers. If Logan and Dooher keep this shit up we'll be beaten comprehensively. If Logan and Dooher want to prolong their management careers they need to act.


Your only input on this thread is to abuse Tyrone players and management.

There is actually some good discussion from other posters about Tyrone football in this thread so please try not to ruin this.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 15, 2021, 10:20:25 PM
I swear Aiden MC Cory never touched leather today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on May 15, 2021, 10:23:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on May 15, 2021, 07:35:48 PM
Although it was disappointing not to get a result today don't forget that Donegal were going flat out and we have a lot more room for improvement.  Going forward though I'm not sure that Peter Harte has a role to play and we need to be getting more out of Mattie Donnelly and Conor McKenna as we need more leadership from those guys.

Donegal looked in great shape for level 5 restrictions, Tyrone did look abit off in comparison.  With the new setup Donnelly and Harte have the most adjusting to do after being the main men for 6-7 years now (particularly donnelly in today's game) has been told not to drop deep and carry out and stay high and wide and he was particularly quiet.

I would think the two donnellys in midfield would be a better option as burns is out of his depth there.

on a positive note a forward line of donaghy, mckenna, bradley, canavan and mccurry could be very promising if you can accommodate them

in general the winging, bitching and overall feigning of injury on both sides (bar mcnamara cheap shot on mcfadden) has to be addressed urgently as the refs are calling really minor stuff i.e burns lazy hand to the upper arm of langan and he slides to the ground with a roar and holding his head as an example, tyrone are guilt if this as well, morgan hitting his head in the cross bar and needing CPR. IMO there is a real softness of any decent tackle or contact for an excuse to milk a yellow card for the opposition and slows the game down. this needs addressed ASAP.

and finally umpires wearing masks, like ffs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2021, 01:12:39 PM
McGeary and Burns.... we are fucked.

Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2021, 05:24:59 PM
Is McGeary serious? Worst 20 mins I've ever witnessed in a Tyrone jersey. He should feign injured and get taken off. Embarrassing.

Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2021, 10:09:32 PM
Deluded. It was more of the same.
McGeary, Myler, and the 2 Donelleys aren't forwards. It's debateable if McGeary and Myler are footballers. If Logan and Dooher keep this shit up we'll be beaten comprehensively. If Logan and Dooher want to prolong their management careers they need to act.

Quote from: trailer on May 15, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
McGeary kicked a few nice wides. As did Burns.


The last thing I want to do is turn this thread into another feuding episode so I'm going to leave it at this and put the above poster on ignore afterwards but these have been his contributions on this thread.

This is just the most crass and pathetic abuse of players who put the Tyrone jersey on as you can get. By all means offer commentary on the game, criticise performances and decisions.

But this kind of extremely personalised and nasty barbs at players are pathetic.

90% of the posters who contribute to this thread offer their views on the games, they can criticise players, their performances, tactics, selections but I hope we can agree that we should round on the above which is just spiteful abuse and ask the posters not to spam this thread up anymore

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on May 15, 2021, 10:45:30 PM
If people come on here and be critical of players that's fine but back it up with some decent analysis of their shortcomings or performance on the day. For me a lot of the criticism on her hints at personal or even club related criticism. PFar too much lazy generalisations about players here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 15, 2021, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on May 15, 2021, 10:45:30 PM
If people come on here and be critical of players that's fine but back it up with some decent analysis of their shortcomings or performance on the day. For me a lot of the criticism on her hints at personal or even club related criticism. PFar too much lazy generalisations about players here.

110%

You can look at the posts here and I think 90% of the posters who engage on here will comment on the game, offer their views and praise/criticse players on their performances but there are a small handful of posters who don't do any of the above and just dish out abuse to the same group of players and management over and over again.

It's great to get some actual discussion here on football, we can agree or disagree or see things differently but with criticism you can actually engage.

When it's just the same abusive posts made about the same few players from the same poster over and over again I don't know what purpose it serves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on May 15, 2021, 11:22:10 PM
Its very obvious trailer/referee's issue with McGeary and burns is personal and not football related. McGeary was Tyrones best player behind Donaghy. Granted burns was poor at times but there were quite a few a men that didn't offer as much as he did, but I refuse to start ridiculing men. A few posters need to settle down, it's our first game since November. Plenty of positives namely the free taking of Donaghy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on May 15, 2021, 11:23:47 PM
Some poor shooting ensured we couldn't get ahead today. Definite change in style of play, moving ball forward much faster,  although a diagonal ball into Mc kenna would be better. Work to do but it will take time to develop the system
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on May 16, 2021, 12:11:11 AM
I'm very surprised to see the criticism McGeary is getting on here. I thought he was good today and the lad leaves everything on the pitch and is one of those who is consistently offering himself for the ball and prepared to put in the hard hits. Donaghy was superb, there's not another player on the panel who could do what he did this evening so I hope we stick with him even if his level drops a bit because he could be a proper top tier forward if given a chance to establish himself. I think I'd prefer to see McKenna out at midfield, we are weak there and his strong running may be an asset. He seems to get a little lost inside and we found it difficult to get him on the ball. With mcshane back and Donaghy in that form we can afford to move him out the field. Monroe didn't look out of place on McBrearty but we still don't look good enough at the back to go man to man. The most frustrating thing about tonight was the amount of lazy tackling, swinging the arm and giving away needless frees, maybe that's just rustiness and will improve as the year progresses.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StPatsAbu on May 16, 2021, 12:11:19 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 15, 2021, 11:23:47 PM
Some poor shooting ensured we couldn't get ahead today. Definite change in style of play, moving ball forward much faster,  although a diagonal ball into Mc kenna would be better. Work to do but it will take time to develop the system

So we should expect the "it will take time to change" excuse for a while then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on May 16, 2021, 12:19:14 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on May 16, 2021, 12:11:19 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 15, 2021, 11:23:47 PM
Some poor shooting ensured we couldn't get ahead today. Definite change in style of play, moving ball forward much faster,  although a diagonal ball into Mc kenna would be better. Work to do but it will take time to develop the system

So we should expect the "it will take time to change" excuse for a while then?

What did you expect, all ireland final  level of performance after 4 weeks training ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on May 16, 2021, 12:34:48 AM
Management has had long enough. They've lost every game so far. They must go!  >:(

In all seriousness, I expect a decent showing this year. It could be a good year, but the straight knockout system makes that more difficult, especially with a lack of preparation. The panel is good enough to not need a whole lot of coaching, so I think we all are expecting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gold on May 16, 2021, 12:58:47 AM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 15, 2021, 07:08:18 PM
Not too bad. Could have won it. As others mentioned our key men didn't play well in Mckenna(apart from first 15 mins), Donnelly and Harte.

McGeary good.  Morgan very good.  Donaghy excellent.  Dunno how he didn't get man of the match over mouthy Murphy.

Second yellow for O'Neill was a joke. Also no foul called on Murphy closed fist in McGeary's face?

Discipline and long range shooting need sorted.

With McNamee and mcshane to come in, and more tinkering under new management I can see improvement in the future.

2nd yellow was a joke yes but wtf was he doing getting the 1st yellow. I know he wanted to show he was up for it but a defender wasting a yellow card in the 1st half always leaves you open to a 2nd one and ultimately costing your team the game. I never understand what wrestling a marker achieves...you haven't taken him out of the game, you've only harmed yourself and your team...its totally selfish and bizarre

Plus he should've put the Priest in for a goal chance, rather than take a point..which was ultimately the difference....Kerry or the Dubs would've passed and  banged it home  or at least tried to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 16, 2021, 08:24:53 AM
I thought it was a very enjoyable game to watch and there were some superb scores from both sides. Donegal are a very settled team and it was a difficult first assignment for new management, only Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are better.
Fergal and the boys have little time and will watch the game today with great interest as next week Armagh will have to be beaten.
On the personnel front there are quite a few predicaments:
Who are the 2 best corner backs?
Who should play 6
Where to play Harte
Who to play midfield
Where to play Mattie Donnelly
Where to play Mckenna
Those 2 midfield?
How to get a good blend and balance up front......eases when McShane is fit but been out of football a long time now and may not have enough time to get up to speed
Are there any more gems like Paul Donaghy?
Can Paul Donaghy now handle the focus he will get?
A lot of questions to ponder for management and not a lot of time or opportunities to come up with the answers
Oh to have a Michael Murphy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 16, 2021, 11:09:57 AM
Gutter journalism in the Sunday World today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 16, 2021, 11:09:57 AM
Gutter journalism in the Sunday World today.

What was said and by who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Presuming McShane is still out and McNamee potentially out if it's seemed a concussion. I'd go with the following the next day.

Morgan

Brennan  Hampsey  C Munroe

Cassidy     O'Neill      Rafferty

Mattie      Kennedy

Donaghy   McKenna    Meyler

McGeary   McAliskey     Bradley

Munroe did well yesterday so he deserves a go if McNamee is noy around.

Hopefully McShane will be available off the bench. Should be some good options
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Presuming McShane is still out and McNamee potentially out if it's seemed a concussion. I'd go with the following the next day.

Morgan

Brennan  Hampsey  C Munroe

Cassidy     O'Neill      Rafferty

Mattie      Kennedy

Donaghy   McKenna    Meyler

McGeary   McAliskey     Bradley

Munroe did well yesterday so he deserves a go if McNamee is noy around.

Hopefully McShane will be available off the bench. Should be some good options

Is moving mcnamee out the field out of the question?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on May 16, 2021, 12:25:33 PM
Logan said in post-game interview McShane is back in training and coming well but return is not immediate. So guessing he will not be seen in the Armagh or Monaghan games. Possibly the Promotion or Relegation play-off a realistic target- that's 4 weeks from now.

I would like to see McKenna out to the half-forward line, with Canavan or McCurry / Bradley starting the next day for a bit more of a scoring threat with Donaghy. Donaghy's performance was the real positive yesterday. I thought Cassidy looked sluggish albeit against a strong Donegal half-forward line. They seem to have the footballers in there who are mobile and can also take scores (Langan, Thompson, Brennan floated out around the 45 too). Whereas Meyler, McGeary, Burns get through a lot of work but you never fully fancy them to take a scoring chance- think they all missed two each.
You could say that Meyler has got the better of McHugh in the last few encounters so he is a key asset.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Presuming McShane is still out and McNamee potentially out if it's seemed a concussion. I'd go with the following the next day.

Morgan

Brennan  Hampsey  C Munroe

Cassidy     O'Neill      Rafferty

Mattie      Kennedy

Donaghy   McKenna    Meyler

McGeary   McAliskey     Bradley

Munroe did well yesterday so he deserves a go if McNamee is noy around.

Hopefully McShane will be available off the bench. Should be some good options

Is moving mcnamee out the field out of the question?

McNamee is the type of guy who can probably player anywhere, usually plays midfield for his club but he's an All Star full back and I think that's where he has been rock steady for Tyrone for a number of years now.

Brennan McNamee Hampsey is arguably as good a full back line as there is in the country.

Where you suggesting playing him? At 6 or midfield?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 16, 2021, 12:25:33 PM
Logan said in post-game interview McShane is back in training and coming well but return is not immediate. So guessing he will not be seen in the Armagh or Monaghan games. Possibly the Promotion or Relegation play-off a realistic target- that's 4 weeks from now.

I would like to see McKenna out to the half-forward line, with Canavan or McCurry / Bradley starting the next day for a bit more of a scoring threat with Donaghy. Donaghy's performance was the real positive yesterday. I thought Cassidy looked sluggish albeit against a strong Donegal half-forward line. They seem to have the footballers in there who are mobile and can also take scores (Langan, Thompson, Brennan floated out around the 45 too). Whereas Meyler, McGeary, Burns get through a lot of work but you never fully fancy them to take a scoring chance- think they all missed two each.
You could say that Meyler has got the better of McHugh in the last few encounters so he is a key asset.

McKenna looked frustrated and uncomfortable inside, definitely more of an asset in the half forward line. Donaghy I think will be better served in the half forward line too. For a big guy he is still has a fair bit of filling out to do, he can hit those long range scores and plays with his head up.

I think the set up looks like it is beginning to take shape now.

A half forward line of Donaghy McKenna and Meyler looks to have a good balance to it in terms of pace, scoring ability and work rate. McGeary is kind of the extra man out the field, breaks up an awful lot of the ball and did well yesterday in that role. The fact that he's vice captain tells you all of how highly the management team rate him and they see him as a crucial part to this team. The inside line is the issue. I think it basically comes down to a target man in there and a lively scorer playing off him. Obviously McShane coming back in and his levels toward this will be important, without him we have to find an alternative.

We tried R Donnelly in there yesterday, didn't work out as he doesn't have the pace. We tried McKenna in there and it didn't work out (as well as losing his influence out the pitch).
What other options have we there?
McNulty didn't make the squad today, he is the obvious alternative but is he up to this level and has he the mobility I don't know. If he's fit he should get the chance to show it.
M Donnelly and P Harte have played in that role before to varying success - two outstanding players in their own right but finding the right role for them in this new setup could be difficult.
You could try a 2 man inside line of the other inside options but it doesn't have the ball winning ability needed.

It looks like we will have McCurry, Bradley, Canavan, Brennan and McAliskey battling it out for one position. Four of them started on the bench yesterday and McAliskey didn't make the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Presuming McShane is still out and McNamee potentially out if it's seemed a concussion. I'd go with the following the next day.

Morgan

Brennan  Hampsey  C Munroe

Cassidy     O'Neill      Rafferty

Mattie      Kennedy

Donaghy   McKenna    Meyler

McGeary   McAliskey     Bradley

Munroe did well yesterday so he deserves a go if McNamee is noy around.

Hopefully McShane will be available off the bench. Should be some good options

Is moving mcnamee out the field out of the question?

McNamee is the type of guy who can probably player anywhere, usually plays midfield for his club but he's an All Star full back and I think that's where he has been rock steady for Tyrone for a number of years now.

Brennan McNamee Hampsey is arguably as good a full back line as there is in the country.

Where you suggesting playing him? At 6 or midfield?

I was thinking at midfield as a good option for kick out and can take a score but I would agree that Tyrone need all 3 of them in the full back line if playing against likes of Dublin or Kerry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Presuming McShane is still out and McNamee potentially out if it's seemed a concussion. I'd go with the following the next day.

Morgan

Brennan  Hampsey  C Munroe

Cassidy     O'Neill      Rafferty

Mattie      Kennedy

Donaghy   McKenna    Meyler

McGeary   McAliskey     Bradley

Munroe did well yesterday so he deserves a go if McNamee is noy around.

Hopefully McShane will be available off the bench. Should be some good options

Is moving mcnamee out the field out of the question?

McNamee is the type of guy who can probably player anywhere, usually plays midfield for his club but he's an All Star full back and I think that's where he has been rock steady for Tyrone for a number of years now.

Brennan McNamee Hampsey is arguably as good a full back line as there is in the country.

Where you suggesting playing him? At 6 or midfield?

I was thinking at midfield as a good option for kick out and can take a score but I would agree that Tyrone need all 3 of them in the full back line if playing against likes of Dublin or Kerry

McNamee is certainly good enough to play midfield but would he be any better of a midfielder than someone like McClure for example? I'm not so sure. He is a top class full back though. It's a bit like us having McKenna playing inside yesterday.

Clearly we have issues at midfield though and that's a worry.

I thought the management were very quick to hook Kennedy yesterday, he wasn't playing well but there were a few other players who could have been hooked and he is the only natural midfielder in the squad.

Was Paudie McNulty approached to play this year. I'd find it odd he wasn't after a good year with Dungannon and the obvious shortcomings we've had at midfield.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on May 16, 2021, 04:06:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Presuming McShane is still out and McNamee potentially out if it's seemed a concussion. I'd go with the following the next day.

Morgan

Brennan  Hampsey  C Munroe

Cassidy     O'Neill      Rafferty

Mattie      Kennedy

Donaghy   McKenna    Meyler

McGeary   McAliskey     Bradley

Munroe did well yesterday so he deserves a go if McNamee is noy around.

Hopefully McShane will be available off the bench. Should be some good options

Is moving mcnamee out the field out of the question?

McNamee is the type of guy who can probably player anywhere, usually plays midfield for his club but he's an All Star full back and I think that's where he has been rock steady for Tyrone for a number of years now.

Brennan McNamee Hampsey is arguably as good a full back line as there is in the country.

Where you suggesting playing him? At 6 or midfield?

I was thinking at midfield as a good option for kick out and can take a score but I would agree that Tyrone need all 3 of them in the full back line if playing against likes of Dublin or Kerry

McNamee is certainly good enough to play midfield but would he be any better of a midfielder than someone like McClure for example? I'm not so sure. He is a top class full back though. It's a bit like us having McKenna playing inside yesterday.

Clearly we have issues at midfield though and that's a worry.

I thought the management were very quick to hook Kennedy yesterday, he wasn't playing well but there were a few other players who could have been hooked and he is the only natural midfielder in the squad.

Was Paudie McNulty approached to play this year. I'd find it odd he wasn't after a good year with Dungannon and the obvious shortcomings we've had at midfield.

Kennedy picked up what looked like a hamstring injury. Had ice pack on it, on the sideline after half time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 16, 2021, 05:55:13 PM
Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Rafferty
Sludden
Hanpsey
Harte
Burns
Conn kilpatrick
M donnelly
C McKenna
Donaghy
McGeary
Bradley/mcurry
Canavan 


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 16, 2021, 09:43:47 PM
You lads are awful hard on men after one loss  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 17, 2021, 07:51:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 16, 2021, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 16, 2021, 11:09:57 AM
Gutter journalism in the Sunday World today.

What was said and by who?

What dirt were they coming up with now?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 17, 2021, 10:15:37 AM
Michael Kerr putting red diesel in the car, front page. Must have been struggling on Saturday night for a headline.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 17, 2021, 10:20:08 AM
Strange match yesterday, real curates egg.

Obviously need to bear in mind that there has been minimal training and very little time for L&D to get thier  sytle of football ingrained.

Positives:

-Donaghy was immense - best since debut in a long time
-Finally (it looks like) a reliable right footed free taker
-McKenna looked good early on, maybe nbt his best position
-Losing McNamee to injury and O'Neill to playacting put us on the back foot but we still were within 2 at the end
- NO need to show hand this early: McShane, McAliskey, McCurry, Canavan all hopefullyávilable to play a greater role in bigger games

Negatives

-Not sure we can go Man2Man in defence just yet
-DnG still got the whip hand on us, mentally that needs overcome
-Still getting caught out on quick restarts
-Shooting very poor in patches
-Mattie and Harte quiet - not sure either are in the right position - Mattie in FF line or MF could work better
-MF still a major concern, every other top team has 1 if not 2 first class operators in that area, we have none
-Not really a negative, but we need to find a stable position for McKenna - it's asking a lot for him to come in with very little football and play multiple roles

Overall though - plenty to be encouraged about and no need to panic

Armagh next will be tough


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BIGONE on May 17, 2021, 04:28:57 PM
My team V Armagh

Morgan
Brennan McNamee Hampsey
Rafferty O'Neill McGeary
McKenna Kennedy (last chance)
Donaghy Bradley Meyler
McCurry M Donnelly Canavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 17, 2021, 04:47:15 PM
Quote from: BIGONE on May 17, 2021, 04:28:57 PM
My team V Armagh

Morgan
Brennan McNamee Hampsey
Rafferty O'Neill McGeary
McKenna Kennedy (last chance)
Donaghy Bradley Meyler
McCurry M Donnelly Canavan

Bradley & Canavan have to start IMHO.

Armagh showed yesterday they still cannot tackle and those two will win plenty of free kicks.

Donaghy was superb yesterday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 17, 2021, 11:05:47 PM
Definitely need a couple more scoring forwards next day. MC Geary and burns should never both start. One or none. Agree with Mattie to midfield. He is wasted dropping too deep. I think we need more presence in chb and I'd probably go with hampsey. Honestly can't see a starting place for Peter Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 18, 2021, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on May 15, 2021, 10:45:30 PM
If people come on here and be critical of players that's fine but back it up with some decent analysis of their shortcomings or performance on the day. For me a lot of the criticism on her hints at personal or even club related criticism. PFar too much lazy generalisations about players here.

McGeary gives the ball away far too much. He took a shot on Sat from 13 yards dropped it short and wide. Then tried to make it look like he was lobbing the keeper. He's no more a CF than I am an Astronaut.
Meyler has a great engine, but runs into corners. Picks wrong option gets slowed up and teams crowd us out. He just hasn't the game intelligence for this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 09:39:30 AM
Meyler scored a point on Saturday, had another ruled out after it was called back for a free that was then pointed by Donaghy.

He contributed that while doing a great job on Ryan McHugh.

McGeary broke up a serious amount of play in the middle of the pitch and was linking our attacks extremely well and also scored a good point in the first half.

It's clear some people obviously never kicked a ball in their lives.

McGeary and Meyler were easily two of our best players Saturday so it's bizarre to single them out for criticism.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
I think it's just frustration at the much a muchness players. These players are all top level, don't make that mistake but sometimes Tyrone could be a bit more adventurous in picking an attacking player over say, one of the attritional men. But it's not a normal situation at present.

Can't really say much, the new management have been dealt a tricky enough task. 4 Ulster clashes in a row in your first 4 games (assuming no qualification in league) is hard to implement anything other than what you know. You are straight into a dogfight and no matter what they say, they won't want to make a habit of losing straight in the door.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 18, 2021, 10:39:30 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 09:39:30 AM
Meyler scored a point on Saturday, had another ruled out after it was called back for a free that was then pointed by Donaghy.

He contributed that while doing a great job on Ryan McHugh.

McGeary broke up a serious amount of play in the middle of the pitch and was linking our attacks extremely well and also scored a good point in the first half.

It's clear some people obviously never kicked a ball in their lives.

McGeary and Meyler were easily two of our best players Saturday so it's bizarre to single them out for criticism.

Managers love McGeary because of the intensity he brings. It's a throwback to the teams of the noughties the way he is able to close the space and make contact. These are great qualities and he can also take a score, and he's just been appointed vice captain so Logan and Dooher clearly rate him highly. However he does consistently give away cheap free kicks and pick up bookings - there's no point in him looking to the ref in frustration every time this happens, he needs to clean up his tackling style or at least stop giving away frees in the scoring zone.

Meyler is by all accounts the fittest player in the panel and has proven himself over the past few years to be our go to man marker for the opposition's danger man in the middle third. He's done effective jobs on the likes of McHugh, Fenton and Sean O'Shea.

So I do think both lads are good players and worthy of a place in the team but don't think both offer enough of a scoring threat to take up two forward positions. One should be named at wing back and one as wing forward. That then leaves us with 5 positions to fill with out and out forwards who can contribute on the scoreboard while also working back when required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 18, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
I think it's just frustration at the much a muchness players. These players are all top level, don't make that mistake but sometimes Tyrone could be a bit more adventurous in picking an attacking player over say, one of the attritional men. But it's not a normal situation at present.

Can't really say much, the new management have been dealt a tricky enough task. 4 Ulster clashes in a row in your first 4 games (assuming no qualification in league) is hard to implement anything other than what you know. You are straight into a dogfight and no matter what they say, they won't want to make a habit of losing straight in the door.

Our forward line on Saturday had 4 defenders in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2021, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
I think it's just frustration at the much a muchness players. These players are all top level, don't make that mistake but sometimes Tyrone could be a bit more adventurous in picking an attacking player over say, one of the attritional men. But it's not a normal situation at present.

Can't really say much, the new management have been dealt a tricky enough task. 4 Ulster clashes in a row in your first 4 games (assuming no qualification in league) is hard to implement anything other than what you know. You are straight into a dogfight and no matter what they say, they won't want to make a habit of losing straight in the door.

Our forward line on Saturday had 4 defenders in it.

Correct - we were unhappy for the latter part of the Harte years because we were too cautious.

Going by the game Saturday not much has changed.

The top teams go for the jugular - we are happy to scrape by and win games and the new management are not differing.

We need to play more forwards
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 18, 2021, 10:39:30 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 09:39:30 AM
Meyler scored a point on Saturday, had another ruled out after it was called back for a free that was then pointed by Donaghy.

He contributed that while doing a great job on Ryan McHugh.

McGeary broke up a serious amount of play in the middle of the pitch and was linking our attacks extremely well and also scored a good point in the first half.

It's clear some people obviously never kicked a ball in their lives.

McGeary and Meyler were easily two of our best players Saturday so it's bizarre to single them out for criticism.

Managers love McGeary because of the intensity he brings. It's a throwback to the teams of the noughties the way he is able to close the space and make contact. These are great qualities and he can also take a score, and he's just been appointed vice captain so Logan and Dooher clearly rate him highly. However he does consistently give away cheap free kicks and pick up bookings - there's no point in him looking to the ref in frustration every time this happens, he needs to clean up his tackling style or at least stop giving away frees in the scoring zone.

Meyler is by all accounts the fittest player in the panel and has proven himself over the past few years to be our go to man marker for the opposition's danger man in the middle third. He's done effective jobs on the likes of McHugh, Fenton and Sean O'Shea.

So I do think both lads are good players and worthy of a place in the team but don't think both offer enough of a scoring threat to take up two forward positions. One should be named at wing back and one as wing forward. That then leaves us with 5 positions to fill with out and out forwards who can contribute on the scoreboard while also working back when required.

Your forwards don't necessarily need to be scorers though. It's certainly something both Meyler and McGeary need to improve but you look at other teams and scores can come from everywhere. Donegal have guys like Mogan and Ban Gallagher who can get scores from defence, Dublin have had Keegan and Durcan etc. McKenna for instance missed about four or five great chances Saturday.

Rather than McGeary and Meyler not getting the scores (it's not really what they are in the team for) - it's the likes of Harte, Donnelly and McKenna who were the disappointments in that regard.

I do agree we need more of a scoring threat in the team, positions are really not that relevant anymore - both McGeary and Meyler are in the team to play certain roles regardless of where they are named. The team named Saturday was a physical one to combat Donegal's size I think. I can see at least one, if not two of Brennan, McCurry, Bradley, McAlsikey, Canavan starting against Armagh.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
I think it's just frustration at the much a muchness players. These players are all top level, don't make that mistake but sometimes Tyrone could be a bit more adventurous in picking an attacking player over say, one of the attritional men. But it's not a normal situation at present.

Can't really say much, the new management have been dealt a tricky enough task. 4 Ulster clashes in a row in your first 4 games (assuming no qualification in league) is hard to implement anything other than what you know. You are straight into a dogfight and no matter what they say, they won't want to make a habit of losing straight in the door.

Our forward line on Saturday had 4 defenders in it.

Factually incorrect, the two Donnelly's have played the vast amount of their football at either midfield or the half forward line. I've never seen Richie Donnelly playing in defence at any level for Tyrone or Trillick.

Indeed Michael Cassidy and Peter Harte who were named in defence have played a lot of their football in the forward line through their careers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on May 18, 2021, 12:22:09 PM
I think you Tyronies are reading too much into this defeat at the weekend.  As a neutral observer of the game, my thoughts were the following:

•   You lost to a well drilled Donegal team who have been playing a type of football they have been developing over the last few years. 
•   You had a man down for the majority of the second half and lost by 2 points. 
•   You have new management in their first competitive game with a vastly reduced pre-season. 

On paper, you shouldn't have been winning this game, so getting beat by 2points by a (in my opinion) top 3 team in the country isn't the worst result. 
If all goes to script in the championship, Tyrone and Donegal will meet in the semi final, so Saturday may have been some shadow boxing by the Tyrone management. 

Anyone with a football head knows that deploying McKenna in full forward against a defensive minded Donegal team is going to negate his impact big time.  Donegal know what he is about for sure, but moving him out the pitch will just give his man marker a dress rehearsal of what is to come down the line, so it was shrewd enough for them to say "sit in there today". 

Now a defeat to Armagh (who are getting competitive again to some degree) on Saturday night would be more cause for concern. 

Side note - although you don't see ever tug, nip, or stop on a player throughout the course of a match, McHugh going down soft for that second yellow really put a black mark against his name.  I think any referee who has viewed that will be viewing tackles against him in future as "boy who cried wolf" if he goes down, hard tackle or not. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2021, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
I think it's just frustration at the much a muchness players. These players are all top level, don't make that mistake but sometimes Tyrone could be a bit more adventurous in picking an attacking player over say, one of the attritional men. But it's not a normal situation at present.

Can't really say much, the new management have been dealt a tricky enough task. 4 Ulster clashes in a row in your first 4 games (assuming no qualification in league) is hard to implement anything other than what you know. You are straight into a dogfight and no matter what they say, they won't want to make a habit of losing straight in the door.

Our forward line on Saturday had 4 defenders in it.

Correct - we were unhappy for the latter part of the Harte years because we were too cautious.

Going by the game Saturday not much has changed.

The top teams go for the jugular - we are happy to scrape by and win games and the new management are not differing.

We need to play more forwards

Can't blame the new men for going cautious, Donegal are a better team than Tyrone - they are with their current management longer and have got an awful lot of experience - you could argue even more than Tyrone. They know how to win games in Ulster.

Conor McKenna coming back was never going to be the click the fingers moment most had hoped for but he's definitely come back better than I thought but Donegal were well ready for him after last year.

McShane would have made that a different game, the space alone he would have produced. It's exciting to think what could be around the corner.

It's not all doom and gloom, you don't know what goes on at training and how fit certain players may or may not be. With the Championship being straight knockout I doubt they'll want to give much away to Cavan either. They will get it tight against Armagh next too, Armagh will be mad looking to put a statement out there about how they are back so it won't be long until the new management find out who's ready for what they want to do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 18, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 18, 2021, 12:22:09 PM
I think you Tyronies are reading too much into this defeat at the weekend.  As a neutral observer of the game, my thoughts were the following:

•   You lost to a well drilled Donegal team who have been playing a type of football they have been developing over the last few years. 
•   You had a man down for the majority of the second half and lost by 2 points. 
•   You have new management in their first competitive game with a vastly reduced pre-season. 

On paper, you shouldn't have been winning this game, so getting beat by 2points by a (in my opinion) top 3 team in the country isn't the worst result. 
If all goes to script in the championship, Tyrone and Donegal will meet in the semi final, so Saturday may have been some shadow boxing by the Tyrone management. 

Anyone with a football head knows that deploying McKenna in full forward against a defensive minded Donegal team is going to negate his impact big time.  Donegal know what he is about for sure, but moving him out the pitch will just give his man marker a dress rehearsal of what is to come down the line, so it was shrewd enough for them to say "sit in there today". 

Now a defeat to Armagh (who are getting competitive again to some degree) on Saturday night would be more cause for concern. 

Side note - although you don't see ever tug, nip, or stop on a player throughout the course of a match, McHugh going down soft for that second yellow really put a black mark against his name.  I think any referee who has viewed that will be viewing tackles against him in future as "boy who cried wolf" if he goes down, hard tackle or not.
Would agree with all of that.  Tyrone could have won the game while playing with about 5 players in their wrong or borrowed positions;  will get better
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 18, 2021, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 18, 2021, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 18, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
I think it's just frustration at the much a muchness players. These players are all top level, don't make that mistake but sometimes Tyrone could be a bit more adventurous in picking an attacking player over say, one of the attritional men. But it's not a normal situation at present.

Can't really say much, the new management have been dealt a tricky enough task. 4 Ulster clashes in a row in your first 4 games (assuming no qualification in league) is hard to implement anything other than what you know. You are straight into a dogfight and no matter what they say, they won't want to make a habit of losing straight in the door.

Our forward line on Saturday had 4 defenders in it.

Correct - we were unhappy for the latter part of the Harte years because we were too cautious.

Going by the game Saturday not much has changed.

The top teams go for the jugular - we are happy to scrape by and win games and the new management are not differing.

We need to play more forwards

Can't blame the new men for going cautious, Donegal are a better team than Tyrone - they are with their current management longer and have got an awful lot of experience - you could argue even more than Tyrone. They know how to win games in Ulster.

Conor McKenna coming back was never going to be the click the fingers moment most had hoped for but he's definitely come back better than I thought but Donegal were well ready for him after last year.

McShane would have made that a different game, the space alone he would have produced. It's exciting to think what could be around the corner.

It's not all doom and gloom, you don't know what goes on at training and how fit certain players may or may not be. With the Championship being straight knockout I doubt they'll want to give much away to Cavan either. They will get it tight against Armagh next too, Armagh will be mad looking to put a statement out there about how they are back so it won't be long until the new management find out who's ready for what they want to do.

We need to play with forwards. f**k sake we have had enough of this shite with Harte. I have been listening to this talk of a coming team this last 4 years. We're not far away, when McKenna is back, when McShane is back, when Bradley is back. f**k me it would make you boke.
If Armagh beat us next week and we're playing 13 forwards in the team, people will quite rightly be asking what the f**k is going on.




Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
How do you fit more than 2 of McCurry/Bradley/Brennan/McAliskey/Canavan/O'Neill into a team?

You just can't do it in the modern game I'm afraid and that's where Logan and Dooher are going to have a problem. They are not going to keep all them men happy, Harte got blamed for not utilising those players but they are all to similar in style, small, skillful and elusive but they lack the physicality particularly inside. So it basically boils down to who the management rate and I think Dooher and Logan rate Bradley the highest out of that lot. Harte generally preferred McCurry and McAliskey.

McShane is the key though, he gives us something different inside and hopefully he can return quickly and to his 2019 form. We really lack an alternative there.

I would have to say things aren't looking good for McNulty if he wasn't making the squad at the weekend and was fit. He is the most obvious replacement for McShane and we had McKenna and R Donnelly playing inside on Saturday despite neither of them being inside forwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
How do you fit more than 2 of McCurry/Bradley/Brennan/McAliskey/Canavan/O'Neill into a team?

You just can't do it in the modern game I'm afraid and that's where Logan and Dooher are going to have a problem. They are not going to keep all them men happy, Harte got blamed for not utilising those players but they are all to similar in style, small, skillful and elusive but they lack the physicality particularly inside. So it basically boils down to who the management rate and I think Dooher and Logan rate Bradley the highest out of that lot. Harte generally preferred McCurry and McAliskey.

McShane is the key though, he gives us something different inside and hopefully he can return quickly and to his 2019 form. We really lack an alternative there.

I would have to say things aren't looking good for McNulty if he wasn't making the squad at the weekend and was fit. He is the most obvious replacement for McShane and we had McKenna and R Donnelly playing inside on Saturday despite neither of them being inside forwards.

Donegal would have swallowed him up. Armagh would be a better game to let him go.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 18, 2021, 05:13:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
How do you fit more than 2 of McCurry/Bradley/Brennan/McAliskey/Canavan/O'Neill into a team?

You just can't do it in the modern game I'm afraid and that's where Logan and Dooher are going to have a problem. They are not going to keep all them men happy, Harte got blamed for not utilising those players but they are all to similar in style, small, skillful and elusive but they lack the physicality particularly inside. So it basically boils down to who the management rate and I think Dooher and Logan rate Bradley the highest out of that lot. Harte generally preferred McCurry and McAliskey.

McShane is the key though, he gives us something different inside and hopefully he can return quickly and to his 2019 form. We really lack an alternative there.

I would have to say things aren't looking good for McNulty if he wasn't making the squad at the weekend and was fit. He is the most obvious replacement for McShane and we had McKenna and R Donnelly playing inside on Saturday despite neither of them being inside forwards.

I've yet to see anyone asking for this. The issue some people have raised (and I'm certainly not being critical after one game but we're allowed to discuss these things) is that Saturday's team included McGeary, Meyler and Richie Donnelly in the forward line, none of whom are natural forwards. When you add to this a midfield of Kennedy and Burns, with Cassidy and O'Neill as your wing backs, that is a fairly defensive team. A lot of people would like to see at least one and possibly two of the guys you mention on from the start and I think it's quite possible we'll get that this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 18, 2021, 05:13:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
How do you fit more than 2 of McCurry/Bradley/Brennan/McAliskey/Canavan/O'Neill into a team?

You just can't do it in the modern game I'm afraid and that's where Logan and Dooher are going to have a problem. They are not going to keep all them men happy, Harte got blamed for not utilising those players but they are all to similar in style, small, skillful and elusive but they lack the physicality particularly inside. So it basically boils down to who the management rate and I think Dooher and Logan rate Bradley the highest out of that lot. Harte generally preferred McCurry and McAliskey.

McShane is the key though, he gives us something different inside and hopefully he can return quickly and to his 2019 form. We really lack an alternative there.

I would have to say things aren't looking good for McNulty if he wasn't making the squad at the weekend and was fit. He is the most obvious replacement for McShane and we had McKenna and R Donnelly playing inside on Saturday despite neither of them being inside forwards.

I've yet to see anyone asking for this. The issue some people have raised (and I'm certainly not being critical after one game but we're allowed to discuss these things) is that Saturday's team included McGeary, Meyler and Richie Donnelly in the forward line, none of whom are natural forwards. When you add to this a midfield of Kennedy and Burns, with Cassidy and O'Neill as your wing backs, that is a fairly defensive team. A lot of people would like to see at least one and possibly two of the guys you mention on from the start and I think it's quite possible we'll get that this weekend.

I agree but I think the team was picked with Donegal in mind, a big physical side as we've been bullied in recent matches. If you look at a lot of the teams posters out forward here, some might have 3 or 4 of those lads starting. The reality is it will be, possibly two.

Cassidy and Harte would be two attacking half backs in my view. Burns wouldn't really be a defensive option at midfield though I don't think he warrants his starting spot.

At the end of the day I don't think the selection backfired that much. A fairly ridiculous sending off had a big impact on the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 09:45:22 PM
I think 6 is the only position Harte gets a start to be honest, suits his game, intelligent, good passer, rarely gives it away. Does he have a rival at CHB?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 18, 2021, 09:50:11 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 09:45:22 PM
I think 6 is the only position Harte gets a start to be honest, suits his game, intelligent, good passer, rarely gives it away. Does he have a rival at CHB?
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How many play at 6 for club? Michael ONeill does but who else? Hampsey would be good but say he will always be used as a man marker
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 18, 2021, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 09:45:22 PM
I think 6 is the only position Harte gets a start to be honest, suits his game, intelligent, good passer, rarely gives it away. Does he have a rival at CHB?
Burns, Hampsey, R Brennan.
Harte playing at wing back, not given the 7 jersey and playing as a forward as tended to happen
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 18, 2021, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 18, 2021, 09:45:22 PM
I think 6 is the only position Harte gets a start to be honest, suits his game, intelligent, good passer, rarely gives it away. Does he have a rival at CHB?

I think he's better at wing back than centre back. Don't think he's a hard enough defender to hold the middle. O'Neill is probably the best option there for now but will need to cut some of the nonsense out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 19, 2021, 04:30:51 PM
Final cut of the panel last night. Any word of who got dropped?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone11234 on May 19, 2021, 10:50:23 PM
Didn't hear who- just heard 5 or 6 were going.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on May 20, 2021, 06:57:49 AM
Tyrone v Armagh on GaaGo at the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 20, 2021, 07:44:21 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2021, 06:57:49 AM
Tyrone v Armagh on GaaGo at the weekend?

Not sure but its certainly on Eir Sport
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Never beat the deeler on May 20, 2021, 07:56:03 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 20, 2021, 07:44:21 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2021, 06:57:49 AM
Tyrone v Armagh on GaaGo at the weekend?

Not sure but its certainly on Eir Sport

It is on gaago, but I'm not in Ireland so it might be showing different matches for me

Schedule should be available for you here based on where you are located
https://www.gaago.ie/matches/live
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 20, 2021, 08:05:57 AM
It won't be available in Ireland on gaa go (north or south) because Eir Sport are showing it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on May 20, 2021, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 20, 2021, 08:05:57 AM
It won't be available in Ireland on gaa go (north or south) because Eir Sport are showing it.

How do we access Eir Sport in the north?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bogball88 on May 20, 2021, 08:20:56 AM
Any word on the fitness or otherwise of Cathal McShane?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 20, 2021, 02:08:19 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on May 20, 2021, 08:20:56 AM
Any word on the fitness or otherwise of Cathal McShane?

One of the great mysteries of the world......

Half the folks 'in the know' say he's almost ready to go.....the other half 'in the know' say he's out for 2021.......

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 20, 2021, 02:12:24 PM
Logie said in the post match interview that McShane is very close to a return. Hopefully we won't have long to wait, but you'd have to worry about the 16 month layoff. Will he be the same player???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on May 20, 2021, 02:42:03 PM
Heard a lot of men that didn't make the 26 played friendlies for their clubs on Sunday. I presume this was allowed and if so that's a new and welcome departure. Will this be the case for some of the league games or are they definitely starred?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on May 20, 2021, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2021, 02:12:24 PM
Logie said in the post match interview that McShane is very close to a return. Hopefully we won't have long to wait, but you'd have to worry about the 16 month layoff. Will he be the same player???
No chance. He should've went against the almighty Hartes wishes and made his £££ in Australia.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 21, 2021, 11:09:02 PM
Surprised still no team named

You'd imagine we will see a few changes this week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 22, 2021, 08:20:33 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 21, 2021, 11:09:02 PM
Surprised still no team named

You'd imagine we will see a few changes this week.

Very unusual that. Can't remember a time before were we didn't have the team named on the day of a league or championship game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 09:34:29 AM
Very little team news out. Think Kerry were the only Div1 team that named their squad yesterday. Possibly Monaghan too actually.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 22, 2021, 09:47:02 AM
No team released yet. Team usually train morning of match but poor enough form not to name to general public and opposition.

Expecting to see a few new names on the 26 this week
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 22, 2021, 10:30:45 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 09:34:29 AM
Very little team news out. Think Kerry were the only Div1 team that named their squad yesterday. Possibly Monaghan too actually.

Armagh named theirs last night
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the goal was on on May 22, 2021, 10:48:38 AM
Word that dooher wants in the 26, Logan reckons needs another few weeks. Statement at moment. Joys of joint management !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 22, 2021, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on May 22, 2021, 10:48:38 AM
Word that dooher wants in the 26, Logan reckons needs another few weeks. Statement at moment. Joys of joint management !

Think they will add another inside forward into front 6 at least. Could Cathal return? Wishful thinking
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 22, 2021, 12:07:11 PM
Apparently management don't want to release the team ahead of tonight. Must mean Mcshane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 22, 2021, 12:19:32 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 22, 2021, 12:07:11 PM
Apparently management don't want to release the team ahead of tonight. Must mean Mcshane.

Could understand that to an extent in a knock out championship game. Can't see that strategy for NFL game surely?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 22, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 22, 2021, 12:19:32 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 22, 2021, 12:07:11 PM
Apparently management don't want to release the team ahead of tonight. Must mean Mcshane.

Could understand that to an extent in a knock out championship game. Can't see that strategy for NFL game surely?

Prob just trying something different. McShane or maybe go with a few of mccurry/canavan/Bradley/Brennan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 22, 2021, 05:50:40 PM
Monaghan showing today how poor our performance was last week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 05:57:51 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 22, 2021, 05:50:40 PM
Monaghan showing today how poor our performance was last week.

If Donegal defended like that last week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 22, 2021, 07:27:27 PM
Great start then all downhill thereafter. Need to pick up again and stop overcarrying.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 22, 2021, 07:29:04 PM
Hope there is mention from Brolly of the free flowing Armagh playing 14 men behind the ball for large chunks of this match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 07:38:03 PM
First half thoughts:

- We are a mess at the back, can't handle people running at us
- Burns has been terrible, so has McClure - a Div 3 standard midfield in all honesty
- Meyler has ran into a few blind alleys
- McCurry really sharp, Canavan too
- Donaghy oozes class but spills the ball too easily in contact
- McKenna continuing to be misused and looks frustrated
- Harte has been really good
- Gough being a fanny as usual - just booked Campbell for not having a gumshield in - such a pedant
- Not sure 6 is the place for Mattie
- McGeary has been really quiet, not getting on the amount of ball he had last week
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 22, 2021, 07:44:44 PM
Tyrone have been shocking this last 20min, losing a 5 point lead with little fight.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on May 22, 2021, 08:18:56 PM
Frank Burns got away with one there. Very poor tackle to give away the penalty.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 22, 2021, 08:39:16 PM
Massive improvement needed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 08:41:04 PM
Meyler with a fantastic 50 yard pass to set Bradley up for a point with a mark and then a wonderful long range outside of the foot point there.

If he can begin to chip in with a point or two a game he is more than worth his place on the team with his work rate and stopping ability.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 22, 2021, 08:42:24 PM
Midfield is a massive issue. No-one looks up to the required standard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 22, 2021, 09:33:21 PM
Midfield is the biggest issue

Next is the inconsistency of forwards. Ask 100 Tyrone fans to pick their best 6 forwards and you'll get 100 different answers. For me, the only two who would be certs to start if fully fit are mcshane and McCurry.  Nobody else has shown the consistency to be counted on in big games.

Early days for management and with no pre season it makes it harder but they don't know their best team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 22, 2021, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 22, 2021, 09:33:21 PM
Midfield is the biggest issue

Next is the inconsistency of forwards. Ask 100 Tyrone fans to pick their best 6 forwards and you'll get 100 different answers. For me, the only two who would be certs to start if fully fit are mcshane and McCurry.  Nobody else has shown the consistency to be counted on in big games.

Early days for management and with no pre season it makes it harder but they don't know their best team.

CK, very unfair of you to highlight that 100/100 people would pick different front six then suggest the management don't know their best team yet. How could they, after only 2 games and the fact that nobody has a clue who the best 6 upfront are....give the management time before we start pressing any sort of panic buttons
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 22, 2021, 10:20:47 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 22, 2021, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 22, 2021, 09:33:21 PM
Midfield is the biggest issue

Next is the inconsistency of forwards. Ask 100 Tyrone fans to pick their best 6 forwards and you'll get 100 different answers. For me, the only two who would be certs to start if fully fit are mcshane and McCurry.  Nobody else has shown the consistency to be counted on in big games.

Early days for management and with no pre season it makes it harder but they don't know their best team.

CK, very unfair of you to highlight that 100/100 people would pick different front six then suggest the management don't know their best team yet. How could they, after only 2 games and the fact that nobody has a clue who the best 6 upfront are....give the management time before we start pressing any sort of panic buttons

I'm not trying to blame management I'm just saying it's a problem. I don't think any other county has such a mixed bag when it comes to forward selection.  It's been like this for a while and the management have difficult decisions to make especially this year where every match is important and there isn't much room for tinkering.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 22, 2021, 10:36:25 PM
McKenna has had two very poor performances now.

He needs to play at 11 though. For me he is the player this team should be building around.

Harte had an excellent game today, that's the class he has - we just need to have it on a consistent basis and he probably should be settled as a wing back now. Donnelly did a lot better than Donegal too but I still don't know where he plays best. I'm thinking midfield.

Donaghy has the quality but will frustrate, spills a lot of ball and coughs up in the tackle very easily for a big man but he has that quality and finishing ability, as well as frees which you can carry him for. That's why I think he is much better further out the field that when it's tight inside.

Canavan played an unusual role, I thought his defensive work was top notch, made loads of good tackles and interceptions and used the ball well when he got on it.

When McCurry is on it he is a joy to watch, that point by the endline was sublime with the pick up.

I just don't see it with Burns. Sludden made a big impact when he came on.

Midfield obviously a huge issue.

I'd go with the following for Monaghan.

1. Morgan
2. Brennan
3. McNamee
4. Hampsey
5. Rafferty
6. Cassidy
7. Harte
8. M Donnelly
9. R Donnelly
10. Donaghy
11. McKenna
12. Meyler
13. McCurry
14. Canavan
15. McGeary

McShane will hopefully be the key to giving the team balance when he returns but I'd be doubtful at the impact he can make in a short season like this year.

No McAliskey or McNulty in the squad again tonight? Injured?

Any word on who was dropped yet?

Thought Munroe did alright again this evening.

The three problem areas we have are:

1. Midfield
2. Centre back
3. Inside ball winner




Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StPatsAbu on May 22, 2021, 10:40:53 PM
The excuses on here.  It's not as if Logan & Dooher are starting with a blank canvas ffs. This squad have been to AI semis
and AI final and but for a peno miss prob would've been beaten by a depleted Armagh playing with 14 men for 10 mins.  Defence and midfield a shambles. Kerry and Dublin will rip them a new one if management don't get their act together quickly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on May 22, 2021, 11:51:32 PM
Peter Harte and McCurry were excellent today and I thought Mattie Donnelly looked a lot more assured in a settled position.
McClure showed well early on and Morgan made a fantastic save for the penalty. Lots of positives today, keep it lit lads 👍🏻
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on May 23, 2021, 05:54:59 AM
They have probably had about 3 weeks of training together.
Bear in mind also the Covid restrictions that they are working under, eg no indoor meetings, no indoor changing rooms, not even a shower.
They are clearly trying to implement a new style of play. They have had no McKenna Cup to develop it or players. People spent years on here complaining about Harte and his style of okay. Now they complain about the new set up after two games player. I would say in terms of this season it's a write off for them and they deserve a by ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 23, 2021, 09:21:26 AM
Big issue for me is how poor mckenna seems to be playing. He seems frustrated and not enjoying his position. Played only a few games last year but made a huge impact while he seems to he struggling so far. Early days yet so hopefully he can turn it around.

Shooting needs worked on, a number if men had a few poor wides. Burns and hampsey come to mind.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 23, 2021, 09:48:28 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 23, 2021, 09:21:26 AM
Big issue for me is how poor mckenna seems to be playing. He seems frustrated and not enjoying his position. Played only a few games last year but made a huge impact while he seems to he struggling so far. Early days yet so hopefully he can turn it around.

Shooting needs worked on, a number if men had a few poor wides. Burns and hampsey come to mind.

McKenna is a huge worry. Seems very frustrated at how little involvement he's had. For me he's not an inside player. I know we are short McShane and need a ball winner inside but it's not McKenna. He should be playing out the field, preferably at 11.

McCurry won a lot of ball in the second half when the supply was right to him. We could do with McNulty or McAliskey in there if they are available.

McClure was another one who had a very poor wide earlier. I'd be very worried if Burns is picked again to start next week. He was poor again yesterday.

Is Kilpatrick still in the squad? Surely worth a run at midfield.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 23, 2021, 11:33:18 AM
I find myself agreeing with most things you say Angelo so good man, keep it up 😉

I think we need to stay patient and realise this is a new management setup with a good few new players brought in.
Fergal and Brian seem to be willing to give everyone a chance to prove themselves and I was surprised to see young Munroe get a start so that must give everyone in the squad great hope that everyone has indeed a clean slate and if you are performing in training then you'll get your chance.
It was great to see Canavan, McCurry, Bradley and Donaghy flair and sharpness on full display and I think most of us would rather see the right combination of those players rather than playing more defensive minded or physically minded forwards.

Richie Donnelly is our best foot passing "big lad" we have to play at MF. Obviously his continuing fitness worries will be the main problem but I wonder would him and Mattie or McKenna be the best options for midfield.
I also hate bad mouthing any player but to me Burns always seems to be an accident or yellow/black or red card waiting to happen.
Yesterday penalty a prime example as he doesn't seem to know how to pull back from a tackle.

McGeary can do the same but I think he brings a lot more positives to the table.
it will be
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on May 23, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
So where is the Monaghan game being played next week and are we being allowed in?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 23, 2021, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 23, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
So where is the Monaghan game being played next week and are we being allowed in?

Healy Park and a maximum of 500

How would you even distribute them out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 23, 2021, 01:22:53 PM
Dooher, in post match presser, confirms McShane won't be available next week. Was quite positive though on his prospects for Championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 23, 2021, 01:37:54 PM
We'd want to see McShane for the League relegation playoff/ semi final pending the outcome of the league next week.

It's great that all 4 teams have something to play for next week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 23, 2021, 10:51:27 PM
Good result yesterday and finished the game strongly. MC curry and canavan have to start from now on. Burns is a liability. Peter Harte was much better and Mattie too. Definitely a better balance to the team in second half. Moving in the right direction for sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 24, 2021, 08:37:44 AM
The Team played better as a whole because they had natural forwards. The limits of McGeary and Myler aren't as evident when McCurry and Canavan are providing a threat.

McCurry simply has to start. He has all the talent you'd ever need.
Mattie Donnellly, and Harte were much better.
McGeary gives the ball away far to much.
Burns is a very limited footballer
Myler needs to offer more, much more.
McKenna was quiet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2021, 08:37:44 AM
The Team played better as a whole because they had natural forwards. The limits of McGeary and Myler aren't as evident when McCurry and Canavan are providing a threat.

McCurry simply has to start. He has all the talent you'd ever need.
Mattie Donnellly, and Harte were much better.
McGeary gives the ball away far to much.
Burns is a very limited footballer
Myler needs to offer more, much more.
McKenna was quiet.

What game were you watching?

Meyler had another very good game again.

Set up a number of scores including a brilliant 50 yard pass right onto the chest of Bradley which was converted by a mark and a brilliant score on the outside of the foot at the end. And the volume of work he gets through, the tackles he makes and the defensive work he does is all taken for granted. He's probably the most improved player I've seen in the first two games under the new management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 23, 2021, 09:48:28 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 23, 2021, 09:21:26 AM
Big issue for me is how poor mckenna seems to be playing. He seems frustrated and not enjoying his position. Played only a few games last year but made a huge impact while he seems to he struggling so far. Early days yet so hopefully he can turn it around.

Shooting needs worked on, a number if men had a few poor wides. Burns and hampsey come to mind.

McKenna is a huge worry. Seems very frustrated at how little involvement he's had. For me he's not an inside player. I know we are short McShane and need a ball winner inside but it's not McKenna. He should be playing out the field, preferably at 11.

McCurry won a lot of ball in the second half when the supply was right to him. We could do with McNulty or McAliskey in there if they are available.

McClure was another one who had a very poor wide earlier. I'd be very worried if Burns is picked again to start next week. He was poor again yesterday.

Is Kilpatrick still in the squad? Surely worth a run at midfield.

Still in squad. Possibly being held back as the most inexperienced member of the panel probably at moment.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 24, 2021, 10:39:27 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 23, 2021, 09:48:28 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 23, 2021, 09:21:26 AM
Big issue for me is how poor mckenna seems to be playing. He seems frustrated and not enjoying his position. Played only a few games last year but made a huge impact while he seems to he struggling so far. Early days yet so hopefully he can turn it around.

Shooting needs worked on, a number if men had a few poor wides. Burns and hampsey come to mind.

McKenna is a huge worry. Seems very frustrated at how little involvement he's had. For me he's not an inside player. I know we are short McShane and need a ball winner inside but it's not McKenna. He should be playing out the field, preferably at 11.

McCurry won a lot of ball in the second half when the supply was right to him. We could do with McNulty or McAliskey in there if they are available.

McClure was another one who had a very poor wide earlier. I'd be very worried if Burns is picked again to start next week. He was poor again yesterday.

Is Kilpatrick still in the squad? Surely worth a run at midfield.

Still in squad. Possibly being held back as the most inexperienced member of the panel probably at moment.

How would he be any more inexperienced than someone who just joined the panel this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2021, 10:48:11 AM
Fergal Logan and Dooher making the calls on Kilpatrick.

For me he's better than any of the options we've seen in midfield so far and actually is a midfielder for one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on May 24, 2021, 10:49:06 AM
Kilpatrick is gone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2021, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on May 24, 2021, 10:49:06 AM
Kilpatrick is gone

Untrue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 24, 2021, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 24, 2021, 10:48:11 AM
Fergal Logan and Dooher making the calls on Kilpatrick.

For me he's better than any of the options we've seen in midfield so far and actually is a midfielder for one.

That is the job of Logan & Dooher, to make the calls. Kilpatrick is a good player but it is a massive step up from club football to inter county. Maybe he is taking time to adjust or maybe he is not doing enough on the training pitch. Hopefully he gets an opportunity sooner rather than later
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 11:18:47 AM
The squad is being kept very hush hush anyway.

The following players haven't made the 26 in the opening two league games whether they are still about or not. I know some of them were talked about being cut a while back

J Monroe
C Quinn
P Teague
C Grimes
N Kelly
A Clarke
S Hammill
B McDonnell
C Kilpatrick
C McAliskey
T Quinn
D McNulty
D Kerr
C McShane

Other than McShane or McAliskey I don't see too many there who will be pushing for a place this season.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on May 24, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2021, 08:37:44 AM
The Team played better as a whole because they had natural forwards. The limits of McGeary and Myler aren't as evident when McCurry and Canavan are providing a threat.

McCurry simply has to start. He has all the talent you'd ever need.
Mattie Donnellly, and Harte were much better.
McGeary gives the ball away far to much.
Burns is a very limited footballer
Myler needs to offer more, much more.
McKenna was quiet.

What game were you watching?

Meyler had another very good game again.

Set up a number of scores including a brilliant 50 yard pass right onto the chest of Bradley which was converted by a mark and a brilliant score on the outside of the foot at the end. And the volume of work he gets through, the tackles he makes and the defensive work he does is all taken for granted. He's probably the most improved player I've seen in the first two games under the new management.

Exactly, anyone who thinks Myler needed to do much much more in the game vs Armagh needs to have a word with themselves.  He was excellent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 12:50:09 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 24, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2021, 08:37:44 AM
The Team played better as a whole because they had natural forwards. The limits of McGeary and Myler aren't as evident when McCurry and Canavan are providing a threat.

McCurry simply has to start. He has all the talent you'd ever need.
Mattie Donnellly, and Harte were much better.
McGeary gives the ball away far to much.
Burns is a very limited footballer
Myler needs to offer more, much more.
McKenna was quiet.

What game were you watching?

Meyler had another very good game again.

Set up a number of scores including a brilliant 50 yard pass right onto the chest of Bradley which was converted by a mark and a brilliant score on the outside of the foot at the end. And the volume of work he gets through, the tackles he makes and the defensive work he does is all taken for granted. He's probably the most improved player I've seen in the first two games under the new management.

Exactly, anyone who thinks Myler needed to do much much more in the game vs Armagh needs to have a word with themselves.  He was excellent.

Some people just don't understand the modern game. Joe Brolly is one of them. You can't have 15 corner forwards on the pitch. You need to get that balance right.

I actually thought we played better against Donegal last week than we did against Armagh this time.

It's clear that some people just have a bee in their bonnet about some players - Meyler, McGeary and Burns being the obvious ones - and will slate them no matter what.

McGeary was very good against Donegal and was quiet against Armagh before being subbed after picking up a yellow.
Meyler has had two very good outings and brings a lot of things to the table that never get credited. Every team needs a player like him.
Burns has had two really poor outings and I'd question the management on his selection.

It's a difficult task for the management in such a condensed season

Monaghan is a big test for us. Their forward play and running game was really slick v Donegal and we will seriously need to clog up that central channel this weekend and improve our defensive work from the Armagh game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 24, 2021, 03:11:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 24, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2021, 08:37:44 AM
The Team played better as a whole because they had natural forwards. The limits of McGeary and Myler aren't as evident when McCurry and Canavan are providing a threat.

McCurry simply has to start. He has all the talent you'd ever need.
Mattie Donnellly, and Harte were much better.
McGeary gives the ball away far to much.
Burns is a very limited footballer
Myler needs to offer more, much more.
McKenna was quiet.

What game were you watching?

Meyler had another very good game again.

Set up a number of scores including a brilliant 50 yard pass right onto the chest of Bradley which was converted by a mark and a brilliant score on the outside of the foot at the end. And the volume of work he gets through, the tackles he makes and the defensive work he does is all taken for granted. He's probably the most improved player I've seen in the first two games under the new management.

Exactly, anyone who thinks Myler needed to do much much more in the game vs Armagh needs to have a word with themselves.  He was excellent.

OK Conor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 24, 2021, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2021, 03:11:59 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 24, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 24, 2021, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 24, 2021, 08:37:44 AM
The Team played better as a whole because they had natural forwards. The limits of McGeary and Myler aren't as evident when McCurry and Canavan are providing a threat.

McCurry simply has to start. He has all the talent you'd ever need.
Mattie Donnellly, and Harte were much better.
McGeary gives the ball away far to much.
Burns is a very limited footballer
Myler needs to offer more, much more.
McKenna was quiet.

What game were you watching?

Meyler had another very good game again.

Set up a number of scores including a brilliant 50 yard pass right onto the chest of Bradley which was converted by a mark and a brilliant score on the outside of the foot at the end. And the volume of work he gets through, the tackles he makes and the defensive work he does is all taken for granted. He's probably the most improved player I've seen in the first two games under the new management.

Exactly, anyone who thinks Myler needed to do much much more in the game vs Armagh needs to have a word with themselves.  He was excellent.

OK Conor.

Tbf, I thought he had a good game myself. Certain starter these days.

Can't see Lee Brennan hanging around if not even making the 26. Would like to have had a look at Dromores Teague and Danny McNulty too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 25, 2021, 11:53:27 AM
I think meyler has been the biggest plus with the new management. Playing with his head up, kicking the ball and taking scores. Looks a different player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 25, 2021, 12:00:58 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 25, 2021, 11:53:27 AM
I think meyler has been the biggest plus with the new management. Playing with his head up, kicking the ball and taking scores. Looks a different player.

Agreed, he looks in great shape and playing with good positivity nailed on starter now but I wouldn't have said that 12 months ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 12:05:33 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 25, 2021, 11:53:27 AM
I think meyler has been the biggest plus with the new management. Playing with his head up, kicking the ball and taking scores. Looks a different player.

100%

He's playing with great confidence and hopefully he can continue this form.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 25, 2021, 12:18:25 PM
What's going on with Conn Kilpatrick? If he's still there why is he being so under used. It doesn't bode well for him if he's not getting chances in an area of the field where we are very weak.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on May 25, 2021, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 25, 2021, 12:18:25 PM
What's going on with Conn Kilpatrick? If he's still there why is he being so under used. It doesn't bode well for him if he's not getting chances in an area of the field where we are very weak.

You would have to imagine the likes of Kilpatrick could be injured. Quite likely that a few guys that haven't featured have picked up injuries after the long lay off
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on May 25, 2021, 04:41:36 PM
Always thought Meyler was very good but the role he has been given under Harte and now D&L doesn't allow him to shine - he does a lot of unseen work.
The only thing I think he needs to improve on is keeping out of any daft verbals - we conceded a goal against Dublin with a quick line ball whilst he was distracted with some nonsense.
Speaks volumes that Harte and now D&L obviously rate him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: MC on May 25, 2021, 04:41:36 PM
Always thought Meyler was very good but the role he has been given under Harte and now D&L doesn't allow him to shine - he does a lot of unseen work.
The only thing I think he needs to improve on is keeping out of any daft verbals - we conceded a goal against Dublin with a quick line ball whilst he was distracted with some nonsense.
Speaks volumes that Harte and now D&L obviously rate him.

We seem to have a bit of a problem in the past couple of years of having a lot of frees brought in for dissent. Now I can understand the frustration sometimes about it. Rory Brennan was carrying the ball out on Saturday and must have been fouled about 3 times and was then pulled for overcarrying, he was quite understandably frustrating but let Gough know about it and he duly brought it in. It probably happens two or three times a game with us.

I think Gough has a real set against us at this point, when you consider some of the fouling he let go on out the pitch and then the penalty he gave against Burns..... I'm not saying it wasn't a penalty but it was certainly of the very soft variety and quite out of kilter in what he was allowing happen out the pitch. There's been a number of games now where he has tended to be a lot harsher on Tyrone in the tackling department than the opposition.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on May 25, 2021, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: MC on May 25, 2021, 04:41:36 PM
Always thought Meyler was very good but the role he has been given under Harte and now D&L doesn't allow him to shine - he does a lot of unseen work.
The only thing I think he needs to improve on is keeping out of any daft verbals - we conceded a goal against Dublin with a quick line ball whilst he was distracted with some nonsense.
Speaks volumes that Harte and now D&L obviously rate him.

We seem to have a bit of a problem in the past couple of years of having a lot of frees brought in for dissent. Now I can understand the frustration sometimes about it. Rory Brennan was carrying the ball out on Saturday and must have been fouled about 3 times and was then pulled for overcarrying, he was quite understandably frustrating but let Gough know about it and he duly brought it in. It probably happens two or three times a game with us.

I think Gough has a real set against us at this point, when you consider some of the fouling he let go on out the pitch and then the penalty he gave against Burns..... I'm not saying it wasn't a penalty but it was certainly of the very soft variety and quite out of kilter in what he was allowing happen out the pitch. There's been a number of games now where he has tended to be a lot harsher on Tyrone in the tackling department than the opposition.

Gough wasn't as bad as McQuillan but he still wasn't great. Coldrick this week so don't be expecting much better.
Wasn't much talk about the disallowed goal - good ball from Burns to pick out Sludden. Was Donaghy definitely in the square when the ball was kicked - not so sure from one of the angles.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 07:54:54 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 25, 2021, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: MC on May 25, 2021, 04:41:36 PM
Always thought Meyler was very good but the role he has been given under Harte and now D&L doesn't allow him to shine - he does a lot of unseen work.
The only thing I think he needs to improve on is keeping out of any daft verbals - we conceded a goal against Dublin with a quick line ball whilst he was distracted with some nonsense.
Speaks volumes that Harte and now D&L obviously rate him.

We seem to have a bit of a problem in the past couple of years of having a lot of frees brought in for dissent. Now I can understand the frustration sometimes about it. Rory Brennan was carrying the ball out on Saturday and must have been fouled about 3 times and was then pulled for overcarrying, he was quite understandably frustrating but let Gough know about it and he duly brought it in. It probably happens two or three times a game with us.

I think Gough has a real set against us at this point, when you consider some of the fouling he let go on out the pitch and then the penalty he gave against Burns..... I'm not saying it wasn't a penalty but it was certainly of the very soft variety and quite out of kilter in what he was allowing happen out the pitch. There's been a number of games now where he has tended to be a lot harsher on Tyrone in the tackling department than the opposition.

Gough wasn't as bad as McQuillan but he still wasn't great. Coldrick this week so don't be expecting much better.
Wasn't much talk about the disallowed goal - good ball from Burns to pick out Sludden. Was Donaghy definitely in the square when the ball was kicked - not so sure from one of the angles.

I'd say Donaghy probably was just inside but the camera angles didn't seem to be conclusive.

Yeah probably one of Burns better moments. I actually think Burns is a decent player but on his recent performances he hasn't done enough to start and he's not an intercounty midfielder.

Sludden had a good impact off the bench I thought, was very busy and picked up some good positions.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 27, 2021, 07:23:31 AM
What changes are we expecting to the team this week.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 27, 2021, 08:08:03 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 27, 2021, 07:23:31 AM
What changes are we expecting to the team this week.

Angelo has got a late call up for full forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 27, 2021, 08:32:31 AM
Could see Sludden starting WHB
McKenna maybe to midfield
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 27, 2021, 08:39:58 AM
I'd be surprised if we see burns starting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 27, 2021, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on May 27, 2021, 08:39:58 AM
I'd be surprised if we see burns starting.

What you thinking STG?
McKenna and Richie MF Saturday evening?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 27, 2021, 01:04:31 PM
Either Mattie or Richard Donnelly or mc Kenna to midfield . Richie best kick passer but not very mobile. MC Kenna very mobile but not great kicker yet. Mattie has both so I'd go with him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 27, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
Richie Donnelly hasn't really shown anything consistently to show he should be at this level. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 28, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Mattie
McKenna
Donaghy
Dazza
Meyler
Bradley
McShane/McAliskey/Richie
Canavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 28, 2021, 08:47:02 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Mattie
McKenna
Donaghy
Dazza
Meyler
Bradley
McShane/McAliskey/Richie
Canavan

McKenna is really struggling with form however what concerns me more is his body language.

At times he has seemed defeated almost and resigned to the fact that nothing is going for him.

I think having him start on the bench this weekend and then come on may invigorate him/give him the kick up the arse to get him going.

Canavan, Bradley & McCurry have to start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 28, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 27, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
Richie Donnelly hasn't really shown anything consistently to show he should be at this level.

I'd agree. He's lucky to start.

Donaghy, McKenna, McCurry
Canavan, Brennan, Bradley

6 forwards, all can score, let them at it. If it doesn't work well then we can go back to playing defenders in the forward line, but we have to try.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 28, 2021, 09:31:12 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 28, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 27, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
Richie Donnelly hasn't really shown anything consistently to show he should be at this level.

I'd agree. He's lucky to start.

Donaghy, McKenna, McCurry
Canavan, Brennan, Bradley

6 forwards, all can score, let them at it. If it doesn't work well then we can go back to playing defenders in the forward line, but we have to try.

Monaghan ran through Donegal last weekend at will. Donegal are more attacking than Tyrone.

We both know you aren't getting what you want, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on May 28, 2021, 09:36:18 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 28, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 27, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
Richie Donnelly hasn't really shown anything consistently to show he should be at this level.

I'd agree. He's lucky to start.

Donaghy, McKenna, McCurry
Canavan, Brennan, Bradley

6 forwards, all can score, let them at it. If it doesn't work well then we can go back to playing defenders in the forward line, but we have to try.

I'd say that would be the smallest Full Forward line in County football if selected like that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 28, 2021, 11:25:12 AM
Can't have 6 small forwards on at the same time. 4 at most. Meyler has to start on form and a bigger target man inside. Question is who?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on May 28, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 28, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 27, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
Richie Donnelly hasn't really shown anything consistently to show he should be at this level.

I'd agree. He's lucky to start.

Donaghy, McKenna, McCurry
Canavan, Brennan, Bradley

6 forwards, all can score, let them at it. If it doesn't work well then we can go back to playing defenders in the forward line, but we have to try.

Put Meyler where McCurry is and move him to 14.

Wouldnt worry about the height - each of them men are capable of winning  their own ball
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 28, 2021, 12:32:00 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 28, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 28, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 27, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
Richie Donnelly hasn't really shown anything consistently to show he should be at this level.

I'd agree. He's lucky to start.

Donaghy, McKenna, McCurry
Canavan, Brennan, Bradley

6 forwards, all can score, let them at it. If it doesn't work well then we can go back to playing defenders in the forward line, but we have to try.

Put Meyler where McCurry is and move him to 14.

Wouldnt worry about the height - each of them men are capable of winning  their own ball

Lets find out that's all I am saying. We'll not win AI's playing Defenders
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 28, 2021, 01:41:55 PM
I think finding the right balance in the team will be the key
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 28, 2021, 03:28:47 PM
What did you think of Munroe Jnr getting a start last time out?
Thought Rafferty would be be a good choice this year.
When Johnny Munroe gets back to full speed where will he fit in?
Any good at MF?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on May 28, 2021, 05:36:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 25, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
I think Gough has a real set against us

I wonder if most of them do - too much baggage with the media narrative of Tyrone and bad smells, etc.

Still can't understand how Deegan allowed Harte to get repeatedly fouled in front of him in last AI semi?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 28, 2021, 08:44:47 PM
Don't worry lads now that Mickey Harte is gone we will start rebuilding our county's good name and eventually referees won't be as hard on us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 28, 2021, 10:32:33 PM
Two opt outs last night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 28, 2021, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 28, 2021, 10:32:33 PM
Two opt outs last night.

Go on....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on May 28, 2021, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 28, 2021, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 28, 2021, 10:32:33 PM
Two opt outs last night.

Go on....
Played for the Rahilly's tonight
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on May 29, 2021, 07:59:55 AM
Quote from: PMG1 on May 28, 2021, 11:14:39 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on May 28, 2021, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 28, 2021, 10:32:33 PM
Two opt outs last night.

Go on....
Played for the Rahilly's tonight

And still made no difference as dromore hammered then. Doesn't say much for the money they are forking out on management
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Jim Bob on May 29, 2021, 08:31:35 AM
So McAliskey  and McClure have left the panel ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 29, 2021, 10:59:55 AM
McNulty and McClure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 29, 2021, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 29, 2021, 10:59:55 AM
McNulty and McClure

McClure starts against Armagh, gets taken off and now quits the panel 🙄
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on May 29, 2021, 12:00:44 PM
I thought Harte was the only reason boys left the panel.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 29, 2021, 12:43:38 PM
Maybe they are just not in the 26 for today and have been released back to clubs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 29, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 29, 2021, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 29, 2021, 10:59:55 AM
McNulty and McClure

McClure starts against Armagh, gets taken off and now quits the panel 🙄

If this is true he sounds like we're better off without him. Them Clonoe boys always were a bit precious.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on May 29, 2021, 08:02:01 PM
Donaghy found out after 1 game is he. You can accommodate a free taker but not 1 who misses 14 yard frees
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:09:04 PM
Surely the ref should have played the advantage rule for Darren as he was through on goal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 29, 2021, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:09:04 PM
Surely the ref should have played the advantage rule for Darren as he was through on goal

Advantage rule changed. Now have to be clean through on goal to get advantage
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 29, 2021, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:09:04 PM
Surely the ref should have played the advantage rule for Darren as he was through on goal

Advantage rule changed. Now have to be clean through on goal to get advantage

Yeah but in that case I thought he was. There was nobody between him and the keeper
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
GaaGo shit the bed just before half time?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
I think there was a stamp on the head hopefully it was accidental. Not sure if that was anything to do with it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
I think there was a stamp on the head hopefully it was accidental. Not sure if that was anything to do with it.

Is it working again? Mine is showing the 1st half game again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
I think there was a stamp on the head hopefully it was accidental. Not sure if that was anything to do with it.

Is it working again? Mine is showing the 1st half game again

I had to close the app and try several times l. Finally got caught up but shit service
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 08:37:07 PM
Stop start streaming.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on May 29, 2021, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
I think there was a stamp on the head hopefully it was accidental. Not sure if that was anything to do with it.

Is it working again? Mine is showing the 1st half game again
Same  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on May 29, 2021, 08:38:36 PM
Can anyone else stick scores up here please. GAAGO has died and no idea who is winning now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 08:38:45 PM
Mine failed again. App keeps crashing and logging me out. Not good enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: clarshack on May 29, 2021, 08:38:36 PM
Can anyone else stick scores up here. GAAGO has died and no idea who is winning now.

7 apiece
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 29, 2021, 08:40:01 PM
Absolute piss from gaago I'll be looking my money back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 08:43:41 PM
https://twitter.com/MoysPhillyMc?s=08 regular updates.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 08:56:47 PM
Stream back for me seems fairly stable. Tyrone 2 down only themselves to blame
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 08:58:17 PM
3 down. Sloppy handling in forward line and can't stop runners in the counter attack
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on May 29, 2021, 08:59:05 PM
Fecking brutal tonight...Burns playing well but feck he can't tackle. I'm astounded at how poor McKenna is, not that he's playing poorly but he literally has hardly touched the ball in the last 3 games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 29, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
Some reality check for the harte haters.

Fact is, our players are no where near as good as we think they are.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on May 29, 2021, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 29, 2021, 08:59:05 PM
Fecking brutal tonight...Burns playing well but feck he can't tackle. I'm astounded at how poor McKenna is, not that he's playing poorly but he literally has hardly touched the ball in the last 3 games.

You serious he's awful wrong decisions all the time. This is a poor a tyrone team I have seen since 2002. Conor mc kenna all hype
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:01:42 PM
Good point by McGeary early missis hurting Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 09:01:48 PM
Monaghan getting frees a lot easier than Tyrone. Doesn't excuse the poor performance

Edit: McCann dives for a free and ref buys it. Of course ger canning points out it was soft
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 29, 2021, 09:02:18 PM
Don't like to single men out, but some absolute shockers here this evening

Monaghan been poor...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:04:24 PM
This could be a game changer Monaghan black card.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:06:25 PM
She's tight good score by McCurry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 09:07:19 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
Some reality check for the harte haters.

Fact is, our players are no where near as good as we think they are.

The new management needs. Players are now trying to play a system that is completely new to them. But harsh fter 3 games. I didn't have nay expectations about tyrone this year given the short season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 09:08:10 PM
Mcgeary and mccurry only two men who can score from play?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:08:25 PM
Conor McKenna free all level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 09:11:51 PM
Bradley wtf?  Ref has actually been giving Tyrone a lot since I criticized him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:13:08 PM
Mattie puts Tyrone up one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:14:19 PM
Mc Anespie all level its over.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 09:19:36 PM
Draw probably a fair result but both sides were poor. Tyrone really haven't impressed in three games and lucky to get through to semi
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
Tyrone missed alot of chances earlier on that sucks the life out of a team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StPatsAbu on May 29, 2021, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
Tyrone missed alot of chances earlier on that sucks the life out of a team.
Just like Armagh game Donaghy thinks its all about him and fluffs it.  Not since Iggy Jones has a single Dungannon Clarkes player had what it takes to be a Tyrone player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 29, 2021, 09:32:31 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on May 29, 2021, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
Tyrone missed alot of chances earlier on that sucks the life out of a team.
Just like Armagh game Donaghy thinks its all about him and fluffs it.  Not since Iggy Jones has a single Dungannon Clarkes player had what it takes to be a Tyrone player

Harsh, I loved Ger Cavlan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 29, 2021, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on May 29, 2021, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
Tyrone missed alot of chances earlier on that sucks the life out of a team.
Just like Armagh game Donaghy thinks its all about him and fluffs it.  Not since Iggy Jones has a single Dungannon Clarkes player had what it takes to be a Tyrone player

Don't insult Gerald Cavlan like that. A real quality player
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2021, 10:30:14 PM
Mckenna is a worry. We don't seen to be using him to his strengths, last year he was unreal in the few games he played now it seems hes not happy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on May 29, 2021, 10:39:26 PM
Without Mckenna we would have been relegated (edit: )last season. A lot of pressure on him. He's had a quiet opening to this season but I'm sure he'll come good. I actually thought tonight he was one of the better performers and was good in the early parts of Donegal and armagh games
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 29, 2021, 10:40:10 PM
That's the first issue on the managements to do list I'd say. Huge asset, wasted just now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 29, 2021, 10:41:23 PM
I've been on his back for a while, but McGeary was excellent second half
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 29, 2021, 10:43:05 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
Some reality check for the harte haters.

Fact is, our players are no where near as good as we think they are.

Mickey's time was up and a change was overdue. A new management team wasn't in itself a guarantee of success but even in normal circumstances whoever was coming in was going to need time to implement new ideas. As things have turned out, Covid has meant they've had very little time with the players then thrown into 3 quick fire intense battles against neighbouring counties. Absolutely ludicrous to be passing judgement on the management or indeed individual players at this stage. If they can manage to get a good few competitive games under their belts over the summer and bed in a style and team shape for next year then that's a solid start.

Still a fair bit away from that at this stage. Wasted a lot of chances tonight and some decision making at key times, a characteristic of the past few seasons. Crucial they find a way to get the best out of McKenna. More games will help.

As an aside, between marks, water breaks and stupid fouling and daft off the ball stuff that was a hard watch. The GAA can address some of it but down to players and management to sort out the nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 29, 2021, 10:43:58 PM
Also think if we finished with the team we started with ie Canavan, McCurry, Donaghy et Al we'd have won handy enough
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StPatsAbu on May 29, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 29, 2021, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on May 29, 2021, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
Tyrone missed alot of chances earlier on that sucks the life out of a team.
Just like Armagh game Donaghy thinks its all about him and fluffs it.  Not since Iggy Jones has a single Dungannon Clarkes player had what it takes to be a Tyrone player

Don't insult Gerald Cavlan like that. A real quality player

Apologies to Cavo. Real talent. Far too good for Dungannon. 2 players in 70 years
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 30, 2021, 07:14:29 AM
Any idea why lee brennan or mcalisky aren't getting a run out? Wasn't that long ago that mcalisky was their top scorer. Forvthe life of me I have no idea why ronan o'neill is still on the panel. He has had years to prove himself but never done it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on May 30, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
The management have had 3 games and 3 weeks of training prior to that
It's a bit unrealistic to expect miracles in those conditions - they can't even have an indoor team meeting or go to a game on a bus together
Other counties have had the same management the last few years and will thus be a bit further ahead.
In previous years there was 5 McKenna cup games to try players and get up to speed.
At the end of the day Division 1 status has been secured for next year
They have tried out a good few players - from the likes of Declan McClure, Conor Shields, Cormac Munroe, Paul Donaghy etc -
They also played yesterday without Hampsey, McShane etc.

That to me has been a pretty successful league campaign With a very noticeable change in game plan.

The same idiots on here complaint were the same key board warriors who complained non stop about Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 30, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 30, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
The management have had 3 games and 3 weeks of training prior to that
It's a bit unrealistic to expect miracles in those conditions - they can't even have an indoor team meeting or go to a game on a bus together
Other counties have had the same management the last few years and will thus be a bit further ahead.
In previous years there was 5 McKenna cup games to try players and get up to speed.
At the end of the day Division 1 status has been secured for next year
They have tried out a good few players - from the likes of Declan McClure, Conor Shields, Cormac Munroe, Paul Donaghy etc -
They also played yesterday without Hampsey, McShane etc.

That to me has been a pretty successful league campaign With a very noticeable change in game plan.

The same idiots on here complaint were the same key board warriors who complained non stop about Harte

I would agree with this. I had no expectations this year at all given the circumstances so far we had played poorly enough and got to a semi final of the league. Few players still to return and it's nice to see some actual kick passing again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on May 30, 2021, 12:21:56 PM
Any truth to 3 men leaving the panel over the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on May 30, 2021, 12:42:11 PM
Heard 4 men left the panel yesterday and 1 new addition over the weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on May 30, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
I would say if McShane plays no part next week, he must be out for the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on May 30, 2021, 03:02:17 PM
Obv didn't see the game, but can anyone tell me why we score so few goals?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on May 30, 2021, 03:10:29 PM
Quote from: tiempo on May 30, 2021, 12:42:11 PM
Heard 4 men left the panel yesterday and 1 new addition over the weekend
Who is the addition?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 30, 2021, 07:09:34 PM
Any addition has to be a midfielder surely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on May 30, 2021, 08:49:25 PM
Any names folks
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on May 30, 2021, 10:14:19 PM
Only person I can think of is MC nulty Dungannon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on May 30, 2021, 11:41:57 PM
P McNulty in, McShane 2022
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on May 31, 2021, 01:01:47 AM
How on earth can Tyrone be made to go to Kerry in Covid times
They can't go by bus, it's an evening hame so prob a 2 night trip
Surely a high chance of Covid outbreak
The sensible thing is Croke Park / 2 hour trip for both teams and safe for everyone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 31, 2021, 06:45:34 AM
Quote from: tiempo on May 30, 2021, 11:41:57 PM
P McNulty in, McShane 2022

Is it confirmed that mcshane is playing no part this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 31, 2021, 07:17:42 AM
It'd be a huge blow if true, but even if he does make an appearance you'd have to question how effective he would be after 16 months on the sidelines
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2021, 09:08:06 AM
Good to have some gaa discussion back on here but amazing how naive and silly some comments are.
Some facts.
We lost again at home to Donegal
We threw away a possible win at home to Monaghan but many big players didn't play well again but no Hampsey now captain and no McShane.
We beat Armagh away by five points and deservedly so.

Three decent competitive games but with little training done I'd not be reading too much into any win or loss.

McKenna's lack of form and the old age problem of midfield is still very evident but you can see the new management team are very much in experimental mode and trying nearly every player they have available to them.
We've stayed in Div 1 though just about and that's maybe down to avoiding Dublin, Kerry and Galway more than anything.

Delighted to see how our forwards are showing some freedom of expression again to shoot and try things that before it seemed almost coached out of them and to play the percentage and don't lose possession game. I have yet to hear the word I hate so much, recycle 😂

I get the feeling B&F had a plan to firstly stay in Div one, try out as many players as possible, keep McShane wrapped up for another month of recovery time rather than exposing him to the likes of Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh before the Ulster championship.

I'd say both managers see Ulster as a very achievable goal this first year and anything after that is a bonus.
Who do Ulster play in the semi this year?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: HokeyPokey on May 31, 2021, 12:26:44 PM
Midfield seemed to go well enough which was good to see.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2021, 09:08:06 AM
Good to have some gaa discussion back on here but amazing how naive and silly some comments are.
Some facts.
We lost again at home to Donegal
We threw away a possible win at home to Monaghan but many big players didn't play well again but no Hampsey now captain and no McShane.
We beat Armagh away by five points and deservedly so.

Three decent competitive games but with little training done I'd not be reading too much into any win or loss.

McKenna's lack of form and the old age problem of midfield is still very evident but you can see the new management team are very much in experimental mode and trying nearly every player they have available to them.
We've stayed in Div 1 though just about and that's maybe down to avoiding Dublin, Kerry and Galway more than anything.

Delighted to see how our forwards are showing some freedom of expression again to shoot and try things that before it seemed almost coached out of them and to play the percentage and don't lose possession game. I have yet to hear the word I hate so much, recycle 😂

I get the feeling B&F had a plan to firstly stay in Div one, try out as many players as possible, keep McShane wrapped up for another month of recovery time rather than exposing him to the likes of Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh before the Ulster championship.

I'd say both managers see Ulster as a very achievable goal this first year and anything after that is a bonus.
Who do Ulster play in the semi this year?

There hasnt actually been much experimentation in terms of personnel. There's a lot of lads on the panel who've had little or no game time. Fair enough from the management to want to go with their strongest hand with very few games before the championship, but what we've seen so far is basically what we have for later in the year, barring a potential McShane return
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on May 31, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2021, 09:08:06 AM
Good to have some gaa discussion back on here but amazing how naive and silly some comments are.
Some facts.
We lost again at home to Donegal
We threw away a possible win at home to Monaghan but many big players didn't play well again but no Hampsey now captain and no McShane.
We beat Armagh away by five points and deservedly so.

Three decent competitive games but with little training done I'd not be reading too much into any win or loss.

McKenna's lack of form and the old age problem of midfield is still very evident but you can see the new management team are very much in experimental mode and trying nearly every player they have available to them.
We've stayed in Div 1 though just about and that's maybe down to avoiding Dublin, Kerry and Galway more than anything.

Delighted to see how our forwards are showing some freedom of expression again to shoot and try things that before it seemed almost coached out of them and to play the percentage and don't lose possession game. I have yet to hear the word I hate so much, recycle 😂

I get the feeling B&F had a plan to firstly stay in Div one, try out as many players as possible, keep McShane wrapped up for another month of recovery time rather than exposing him to the likes of Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh before the Ulster championship.

I'd say both managers see Ulster as a very achievable goal this first year and anything after that is a bonus.
Who do Ulster play in the semi this year?

There hasnt actually been much experimentation in terms of personnel. There's a lot of lads on the panel who've had little or no game time. Fair enough from the management to want to go with their strongest hand with very few games before the championship, but what we've seen so far is basically what we have for later in the year, barring a potential McShane return

I would to have liked brennan or mcalisky to get a run out to see their form. Suppose the management have a difficult decision as there are a very limited number of games to try out players before the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 01, 2021, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 31, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2021, 09:08:06 AM
Good to have some gaa discussion back on here but amazing how naive and silly some comments are.
Some facts.
We lost again at home to Donegal
We threw away a possible win at home to Monaghan but many big players didn't play well again but no Hampsey now captain and no McShane.
We beat Armagh away by five points and deservedly so.

Three decent competitive games but with little training done I'd not be reading too much into any win or loss.

McKenna's lack of form and the old age problem of midfield is still very evident but you can see the new management team are very much in experimental mode and trying nearly every player they have available to them.
We've stayed in Div 1 though just about and that's maybe down to avoiding Dublin, Kerry and Galway more than anything.

Delighted to see how our forwards are showing some freedom of expression again to shoot and try things that before it seemed almost coached out of them and to play the percentage and don't lose possession game. I have yet to hear the word I hate so much, recycle 😂

I get the feeling B&F had a plan to firstly stay in Div one, try out as many players as possible, keep McShane wrapped up for another month of recovery time rather than exposing him to the likes of Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh before the Ulster championship.

I'd say both managers see Ulster as a very achievable goal this first year and anything after that is a bonus.
Who do Ulster play in the semi this year?

There hasnt actually been much experimentation in terms of personnel. There's a lot of lads on the panel who've had little or no game time. Fair enough from the management to want to go with their strongest hand with very few games before the championship, but what we've seen so far is basically what we have for later in the year, barring a potential McShane return

I would to have liked brennan or mcalisky to get a run out to see their form. Suppose the management have a difficult decision as there are a very limited number of games to try out players before the championship.

Irish news this morning. 3 Clonoe men walked away from the panel. Seems odd to walk away after only 3 games
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on June 01, 2021, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 01, 2021, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 31, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2021, 09:08:06 AM
Good to have some gaa discussion back on here but amazing how naive and silly some comments are.
Some facts.
We lost again at home to Donegal
We threw away a possible win at home to Monaghan but many big players didn't play well again but no Hampsey now captain and no McShane.
We beat Armagh away by five points and deservedly so.

Three decent competitive games but with little training done I'd not be reading too much into any win or loss.

McKenna's lack of form and the old age problem of midfield is still very evident but you can see the new management team are very much in experimental mode and trying nearly every player they have available to them.


We've stayed in Div 1 though just about and that's maybe down to avoiding Dublin, Kerry and Galway more than anything.

Delighted to see how our forwards are showing some freedom of expression again to shoot and try things that before it seemed almost coached out of them and to play the percentage and don't lose possession game. I have yet to hear the word I hate so much, recycle 😂

I get the feeling B&F had a plan to firstly stay in Div one, try out as many players as possible, keep McShane wrapped up for another month of recovery time rather than exposing him to the likes of Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh before the Ulster championship.

I'd say both managers see Ulster as a very achievable goal this first year and anything after that is a bonus.
Who do Ulster play in the semi this year?

There hasnt actually been much experimentation in terms of personnel. There's a lot of lads on the panel who've had little or no game time. Fair enough from the management to want to go with their strongest hand with very few games before the championship, but what we've seen so far is basically what we have for later in the year, barring a potential McShane return

I would to have liked brennan or mcalisky to get a run out to see their form. Suppose the management have a difficult decision as there are a very limited number of games to try out players before the championship.

Irish news this morning. 3 Clonoe men walked away from the panel. Seems odd to walk away after only 3 games

Orla on GMU this morning was doing her best to make out this was a big blow to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 01, 2021, 10:41:27 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 01, 2021, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 01, 2021, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 31, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2021, 09:08:06 AM
Good to have some gaa discussion back on here but amazing how naive and silly some comments are.
Some facts.
We lost again at home to Donegal
We threw away a possible win at home to Monaghan but many big players didn't play well again but no Hampsey now captain and no McShane.
We beat Armagh away by five points and deservedly so.

Three decent competitive games but with little training done I'd not be reading too much into any win or loss.

McKenna's lack of form and the old age problem of midfield is still very evident but you can see the new management team are very much in experimental mode and trying nearly every player they have available to them.


We've stayed in Div 1 though just about and that's maybe down to avoiding Dublin, Kerry and Galway more than anything.

Delighted to see how our forwards are showing some freedom of expression again to shoot and try things that before it seemed almost coached out of them and to play the percentage and don't lose possession game. I have yet to hear the word I hate so much, recycle 😂

I get the feeling B&F had a plan to firstly stay in Div one, try out as many players as possible, keep McShane wrapped up for another month of recovery time rather than exposing him to the likes of Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh before the Ulster championship.

I'd say both managers see Ulster as a very achievable goal this first year and anything after that is a bonus.
Who do Ulster play in the semi this year?

There hasnt actually been much experimentation in terms of personnel. There's a lot of lads on the panel who've had little or no game time. Fair enough from the management to want to go with their strongest hand with very few games before the championship, but what we've seen so far is basically what we have for later in the year, barring a potential McShane return

I would to have liked brennan or mcalisky to get a run out to see their form. Suppose the management have a difficult decision as there are a very limited number of games to try out players before the championship.

Irish news this morning. 3 Clonoe men walked away from the panel. Seems odd to walk away after only 3 games

Orla on GMU this morning was doing her best to make out this was a big blow to Tyrone.

Is it not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on June 01, 2021, 12:22:58 PM
Quote from: blackball on June 01, 2021, 10:41:27 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 01, 2021, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 01, 2021, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 31, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2021, 09:08:06 AM
Good to have some gaa discussion back on here but amazing how naive and silly some comments are.
Some facts.
We lost again at home to Donegal
We threw away a possible win at home to Monaghan but many big players didn't play well again but no Hampsey now captain and no McShane.
We beat Armagh away by five points and deservedly so.

Three decent competitive games but with little training done I'd not be reading too much into any win or loss.

McKenna's lack of form and the old age problem of midfield is still very evident but you can see the new management team are very much in experimental mode and trying nearly every player they have available to them.


We've stayed in Div 1 though just about and that's maybe down to avoiding Dublin, Kerry and Galway more than anything.

Delighted to see how our forwards are showing some freedom of expression again to shoot and try things that before it seemed almost coached out of them and to play the percentage and don't lose possession game. I have yet to hear the word I hate so much, recycle 😂

I get the feeling B&F had a plan to firstly stay in Div one, try out as many players as possible, keep McShane wrapped up for another month of recovery time rather than exposing him to the likes of Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh before the Ulster championship.

I'd say both managers see Ulster as a very achievable goal this first year and anything after that is a bonus.
Who do Ulster play in the semi this year?

There hasnt actually been much experimentation in terms of personnel. There's a lot of lads on the panel who've had little or no game time. Fair enough from the management to want to go with their strongest hand with very few games before the championship, but what we've seen so far is basically what we have for later in the year, barring a potential McShane return

I would to have liked brennan or mcalisky to get a run out to see their form. Suppose the management have a difficult decision as there are a very limited number of games to try out players before the championship.

Irish news this morning. 3 Clonoe men walked away from the panel. Seems odd to walk away after only 3 games

Orla on GMU this morning was doing her best to make out this was a big blow to Tyrone.

Is it not?

Who walked?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 01, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 01, 2021, 12:22:58 PM
Quote from: blackball on June 01, 2021, 10:41:27 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 01, 2021, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 01, 2021, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 31, 2021, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on May 31, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2021, 09:08:06 AM
Good to have some gaa discussion back on here but amazing how naive and silly some comments are.
Some facts.
We lost again at home to Donegal
We threw away a possible win at home to Monaghan but many big players didn't play well again but no Hampsey now captain and no McShane.
We beat Armagh away by five points and deservedly so.

Three decent competitive games but with little training done I'd not be reading too much into any win or loss.

McKenna's lack of form and the old age problem of midfield is still very evident but you can see the new management team are very much in experimental mode and trying nearly every player they have available to them.


We've stayed in Div 1 though just about and that's maybe down to avoiding Dublin, Kerry and Galway more than anything.

Delighted to see how our forwards are showing some freedom of expression again to shoot and try things that before it seemed almost coached out of them and to play the percentage and don't lose possession game. I have yet to hear the word I hate so much, recycle 😂

I get the feeling B&F had a plan to firstly stay in Div one, try out as many players as possible, keep McShane wrapped up for another month of recovery time rather than exposing him to the likes of Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh before the Ulster championship.

I'd say both managers see Ulster as a very achievable goal this first year and anything after that is a bonus.
Who do Ulster play in the semi this year?

There hasnt actually been much experimentation in terms of personnel. There's a lot of lads on the panel who've had little or no game time. Fair enough from the management to want to go with their strongest hand with very few games before the championship, but what we've seen so far is basically what we have for later in the year, barring a potential McShane return

I would to have liked brennan or mcalisky to get a run out to see their form. Suppose the management have a difficult decision as there are a very limited number of games to try out players before the championship.

Irish news this morning. 3 Clonoe men walked away from the panel. Seems odd to walk away after only 3 games

Orla on GMU this morning was doing her best to make out this was a big blow to Tyrone.

Is it not?

Who walked?
Mcalisky, mcnulty and mcclure. Always thought that in mcshane absence that mcaliskey should be our target man with either brennan, Bradley or mccurry playing off him
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on June 01, 2021, 01:29:04 PM
Clonoe play Edendork on Friday night.
Thats the unfair bit about this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 01, 2021, 01:42:21 PM
I would say Skeet would have been annoyed about not making it onto the grass against Monaghan. Paul Donaghy, right footed free taker, taken off at half time and he wasn't the man to replace him, probably thinking i'm very far down the line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 01, 2021, 04:41:32 PM
They've left for various reasons;  have to move on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 01, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Conor definetly a loss Dan and Declan average be no loss in them leaving.Club be happy though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 01, 2021, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 01, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Conor definetly a loss Dan and Declan average be no loss in them leaving.Club be happy though.

Is he? He must be 30? Best days in his rear view mirror. Couldn't force his way into forward line lacking natural scorers. Says it all really.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: the prodigy on June 01, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 01, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Conor definetly a loss Dan and Declan average be no loss in them leaving.Club be happy though.

Dan mcnulty average? Go get yourself looked about.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 02, 2021, 07:15:04 AM
Could be more down to the lack of ANY GAA Games. They probably thought I need or want regular football this year and if I walk away from the county I'll get that now.
Could be back next year though Skeet is pushing on now. He was definitely a favourite of mine and I too was hoping he'd have been at 14 with McKenna at MF.
Still, we have plenty of forwards and B&F know best.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on June 02, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: the prodigy on June 01, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 01, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Conor definetly a loss Dan and Declan average be no loss in them leaving.Club be happy though.

Dan mcnulty average? Go get yourself looked about.

Excellent footballer at club level.  County a different animal though and its a pity he could never really get established at that level. If I were those guys, Id leave too, no point in being fodder playing in house games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 02, 2021, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 02, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: the prodigy on June 01, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 01, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Conor definetly a loss Dan and Declan average be no loss in them leaving.Club be happy though.

Dan mcnulty average? Go get yourself looked about.

Excellent footballer at club level.  County a different animal though and its a pity he could never really get established at that level. If I were those guys, Id leave too, no point in being fodder playing in house games.

there are some of the players that start for Tyrone that are not excellent club footballers they are actually average club footballers. McNulty had the potential to bring something different to the Tyrone forward line its a shame he didnt get the chance. the managers have slipped up here I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on June 02, 2021, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: blackball on June 02, 2021, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 02, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: the prodigy on June 01, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 01, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Conor definetly a loss Dan and Declan average be no loss in them leaving.Club be happy though.

Dan mcnulty average? Go get yourself looked about.

Excellent footballer at club level.  County a different animal though and its a pity he could never really get established at that level. If I were those guys, Id leave too, no point in being fodder playing in house games.

there are some of the players that start for Tyrone that are not excellent club footballers they are actually average club footballers. McNulty had the potential to bring something different to the Tyrone forward line its a shame he didnt get the chance. the managers have slipped up here I think.

Please let this be the end of the Dan McNulty debate. Harte and now F&B have both regarded him as not being good enough to warrant a place. Not everyone can make it at county level. IMO county footballers are now mostly of a similar build, speed and athleticism. I don't think Dan McNulty fits into that. Just the way it is. I'm sure clonoe people will be happy to have all 3 of them available for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 02, 2021, 10:18:36 AM
I would have liked to have MC nulty get a few games in full forward but unfortunately we don't have 7 league games as normal and I'm sure the management are as disappointed as anyone that they haven't gave more game time to lads
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 02, 2021, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on June 02, 2021, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: blackball on June 02, 2021, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 02, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: the prodigy on June 01, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: skeog on June 01, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Conor definetly a loss Dan and Declan average be no loss in them leaving.Club be happy though.

Dan mcnulty average? Go get yourself looked about.

Excellent footballer at club level.  County a different animal though and its a pity he could never really get established at that level. If I were those guys, Id leave too, no point in being fodder playing in house games.

there are some of the players that start for Tyrone that are not excellent club footballers they are actually average club footballers. McNulty had the potential to bring something different to the Tyrone forward line its a shame he didnt get the chance. the managers have slipped up here I think.

Please let this be the end of the Dan McNulty debate. Harte and now F&B have both regarded him as not being good enough to warrant a place. Not everyone can make it at county level. IMO county footballers are now mostly of a similar build, speed and athleticism. I don't think Dan McNulty fits into that. Just the way it is. I'm sure clonoe people will be happy to have all 3 of them available for them.

I dont think its up to you to be able to end debates! who do you think you are!lol The whole reason for these boards are to voice opinions and debate them. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Olly on June 04, 2021, 10:31:30 PM
uP tHe RaHiLlYs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 05, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Any truth that Benny Gallen has left the squad now too?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on June 05, 2021, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Any truth that Benny Gallen has left the squad now too?

Yes - he played for Aghyaran last night.

Errigal keeper McAnenley called up to replace him for now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 05, 2021, 06:46:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Any truth that Benny Gallen has left the squad now too?

Is something wrong in the camp?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on June 05, 2021, 07:00:02 PM
I blame Micky Harte 8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 05, 2021, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 05, 2021, 06:46:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Any truth that Benny Gallen has left the squad now too?

Is something wrong in the camp?

I don't think there is an issue in the camp. I think it's a case that the fringe players don't see themselves getting much playing time and the CCC have half the season starred. It's what the clubs voted for but it leaves about 20 quality players without any football for weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 05, 2021, 08:19:50 PM
Spot on its hard to be sitting in the stand knowing like Benny chances of a game are remote.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 05, 2021, 08:44:48 PM
I know that this doesn't count for the case of Benny but there was a rumour a few weeks back that any player not involved in match day 26 would be released back to the club for the Friday night game. Doesn't seem to have happened in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2021, 09:01:47 PM
Lads what way is the Friday night matches going down?
I know it's new in Tyrone.
Better or prefer Sunday?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 05, 2021, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on June 05, 2021, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Any truth that Benny Gallen has left the squad now too?

Yes - he played for Aghyaran last night.

Errigal keeper McAnenley called up to replace him for now.

He wouldn't be getting called up only for where he is from.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on June 06, 2021, 12:07:19 AM
Mickey has always had a soft spot for the Errigal lads
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on June 06, 2021, 12:41:19 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on June 05, 2021, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on June 05, 2021, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Any truth that Benny Gallen has left the squad now too?

Yes - he played for Aghyaran last night.

Errigal keeper McAnenley called up to replace him for now.

He wouldn't be getting called up only for where he is from.

No doubt he's not first choice but none of the better Keepers will give up Club football at this point in the season just to sit on the bench!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on June 06, 2021, 08:05:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2021, 09:01:47 PM
Lads what way is the Friday night matches going down?
I know it's new in Tyrone.
Better or prefer Sunday?
Tight going on the reserve player travelling for 6:45 but generally a success. Players much much happier with the format.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 06, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
Darragh Mc Anenly is a good keeper has nothing to do what club he is from.He should be praised for joining the panel midway through the season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 07, 2021, 08:16:36 AM
Quote from: skeog on June 06, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
Darragh Mc Anenly is a good keeper has nothing to do what club he is from.He should be praised for joining the panel midway through the season.

I don't think anyone was criticising him. The point was that if Harte had called him up the usual suspects on the board would have described it as Harte bias to Errigal.

Similarly if the Clonoe lads walked away with Harte as manager it would have been billed as bias against East Tyrone players.

A rule has to be brought in around these starred fixtures if you want to keep a strong panel in the future. Clonoe are benefiting from being treated as having 3 county players in the fixtures (by playing the other teams with most county players) but have 0. Other club players who are fringe on the panel will be under the pressure to pull out. There should be a cut off point that if players pull out after then they still can't play the starred games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 07, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
Players who haven't played at least a game and a half in minutes of Tyrones first 3 games should be free to play club. Where is McShane better to hone the shooting, competitive club game or county training? It's really unfair on bench/fringe County players to get no football. Few Omagh lads as an example but I'm sure it can be compared with other clubs too

Meyler, 3 County games
Grugan, 2 club games
O'Neill, no games in either

For what everyone has gone through over covid it's an absolute disgrace lads are being actively prevented from playing yet are expected to maintain a monk like existence to bulk out a county matchday squad and training sessions
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 07, 2021, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 07, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
Players who haven't played at least a game and a half in minutes of Tyrones first 3 games should be free to play club. Where is McShane better to hone the shooting, competitive club game or county training? It's really unfair on bench/fringe County players to get no football. Few Omagh lads as an example but I'm sure it can be compared with other clubs too

Meyler, 3 County games
Grugan, 2 club games
O'Neill, no games in either

For what everyone has gone through over covid it's an absolute disgrace lads are being actively prevented from playing yet are expected to maintain a monk like existence to bulk out a county matchday squad and training sessions

If Harte was the manager there would be a lot of complaints about this. All county players could have played on Friday night - it's only a league game next week at the end of the day. Anyone not in the 26 should be playing next week (even though it's hard to plan starred games around that - better than players playing nothing though). There is no reason the players couldn't then play for their clubs on the 18th and 25th June - last year under Harte they would have been allowed to as it was outside 13 days before a championship game. People always complained he didn't let players play but they are being wrapped up far more this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 07, 2021, 02:56:17 PM
Fast forward 3 or 4 months and into the business end of the club season. You could have county subs/fringe squad players with 3 or 4 games played in 4 months at club level going in against lads with 10-12 games behind them in the same spell. I'm sure there's plenty of lads outside the county panel itching to get a crack at the county men to show they're at the level and worth consideration for county, but it's a bit harsh on those subs to sit there only training and then expect them to deliver anything for club or county going in against lads with game time under their belt at both levels. The life of a fringe County player is worse than reserve players at this stage, second class citizens in the same respect
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 08, 2021, 10:51:21 PM
I see Tyrone are 3/1 shots this weekend. Could be a nice price if Kerry don't go full pelt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2021, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 07, 2021, 02:56:17 PM
Fast forward 3 or 4 months and into the business end of the club season. You could have county subs/fringe squad players with 3 or 4 games played in 4 months at club level going in against lads with 10-12 games behind them in the same spell. I'm sure there's plenty of lads outside the county panel itching to get a crack at the county men to show they're at the level and worth consideration for county, but it's a bit harsh on those subs to sit there only training and then expect them to deliver anything for club or county going in against lads with game time under their belt at both levels. The life of a fringe County player is worse than reserve players at this stage, second class citizens in the same respect

I think it has been clear from the outset. County panel don't play in starred games. It's shite if you have county players but that's the way it is. Some hybrid fringe subs nonsense won't work and will only lead to more upset.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 09, 2021, 10:10:40 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 09, 2021, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 07, 2021, 02:56:17 PM
Fast forward 3 or 4 months and into the business end of the club season. You could have county subs/fringe squad players with 3 or 4 games played in 4 months at club level going in against lads with 10-12 games behind them in the same spell. I'm sure there's plenty of lads outside the county panel itching to get a crack at the county men to show they're at the level and worth consideration for county, but it's a bit harsh on those subs to sit there only training and then expect them to deliver anything for club or county going in against lads with game time under their belt at both levels. The life of a fringe County player is worse than reserve players at this stage, second class citizens in the same respect

I think it has been clear from the outset. County panel don't play in starred games. It's shite if you have county players but that's the way it is. Some hybrid fringe subs nonsense won't work and will only lead to more upset.

Upshot, at least the meat suits know where they stand.

Out: football
In: protein shakes and star handpass drill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2021, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 09, 2021, 10:10:40 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 09, 2021, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 07, 2021, 02:56:17 PM
Fast forward 3 or 4 months and into the business end of the club season. You could have county subs/fringe squad players with 3 or 4 games played in 4 months at club level going in against lads with 10-12 games behind them in the same spell. I'm sure there's plenty of lads outside the county panel itching to get a crack at the county men to show they're at the level and worth consideration for county, but it's a bit harsh on those subs to sit there only training and then expect them to deliver anything for club or county going in against lads with game time under their belt at both levels. The life of a fringe County player is worse than reserve players at this stage, second class citizens in the same respect

I think it has been clear from the outset. County panel don't play in starred games. It's shite if you have county players but that's the way it is. Some hybrid fringe subs nonsense won't work and will only lead to more upset.

Upshot, at least the meat suits know where they stand.

Out: football
In: protein shakes and star handpass drill

Difficult to keep everyone happy. The other option they tried whn I played was to train like a dog Mar - Apr. Pause entire football ad hoc from May to Oct but importantly not give players any notice so continue to train like a dog. Cram entire league and championship into 8 weeks before Christmas. Pitches getting worse every week.
Upshot you had county players, downside everyone was completely fucked off and club player dropouts was huge.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 09, 2021, 05:09:07 PM
I agree Trailer, it's not possible to keep everyone happy, but there's clearly one group of stakeholder here being treated as second class, first and foremost in this situation keeping them happy should priority. We are treating gifted County standard players worse than reserve footballers, there is a cohort who haven't kicked a ball yet this year, its June, while their club and county team mates have games and minutes under their belt.

The whold world has gone through a shit show of a pandemic, we're potentially coming out the other side of it and we're still preventing lads from playing, treating them as mere collateral to keep other people happy.

The walkouts speak for themselves (McClure aside), lads not starting for the county care deeply for their clubs and want some sort of football to get up to speed, endless training is no use to any manager when down the line their player is burnt out training with no competitive match practice and potentially confidence shot to bits.

And the biggest blowback this will have is when McShane returns, is jettisoned straight into county 15 or immediate subs ahead of these other lads who have toiled away. That fucks the whole thing up as a) Cathal has nothing behind him at the lower level to get up to speed and test himself following a long layoff and b) the rest of the county fringe players get further disenfranchised.

Its not that hard to square the circle, let the lads who played less than 1.5 of the 3 NFL to date play club football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 10, 2021, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 09, 2021, 05:09:07 PM
I agree Trailer, it's not possible to keep everyone happy, but there's clearly one group of stakeholder here being treated as second class, first and foremost in this situation keeping them happy should priority. We are treating gifted County standard players worse than reserve footballers, there is a cohort who haven't kicked a ball yet this year, its June, while their club and county team mates have games and minutes under their belt.

The whold world has gone through a shit show of a pandemic, we're potentially coming out the other side of it and we're still preventing lads from playing, treating them as mere collateral to keep other people happy.

The walkouts speak for themselves (McClure aside), lads not starting for the county care deeply for their clubs and want some sort of football to get up to speed, endless training is no use to any manager when down the line their player is burnt out training with no competitive match practice and potentially confidence shot to bits.

And the biggest blowback this will have is when McShane returns, is jettisoned straight into county 15 or immediate subs ahead of these other lads who have toiled away. That fucks the whole thing up as a) Cathal has nothing behind him at the lower level to get up to speed and test himself following a long layoff and b) the rest of the county fringe players get further disenfranchised.

Its not that hard to square the circle, let the lads who played less than 1.5 of the 3 NFL to date play club football.

Agree with a lot of that. A split season solves all these issues. Hopefully the GAA see that as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on June 10, 2021, 09:32:39 AM
I believe there is a split season from next year. Looking forward to it, although would have preferred if club went first, think its going to be county for first half of the year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on June 10, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
Are we any closer to knowing if McShane will play?

I'd say if he doesn't get any football this wekeend, it's hard to see him featuring at all this year (at least in Ulster)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 11, 2021, 02:00:37 PM
Very positive interview from fergal Logan in today's Irish news. Really looking forward to tomorrow evening's game now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 12, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
I heard Cathal played a few in-house matches and is coming along nicely regarding his injury but his fitness is well behind others.
I'd expect him to come on as a sub today.

Will we go all out to win this today with the benefit of another match v the Dubs or will we be bate before we walk on the pitch.
I see it's on TG4 at 5pm.

Met a few Cavan lads this week in Downings and they seem confident enough for the match with us.
They see us as very unsettled just now with no definite starting 15 and a very weak MF area.
Naturally they are unsure will they beat Donegal in the semi but they certainly don't seem to fear us which is surprising when you look at their record against us.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on June 12, 2021, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
I heard Cathal played a few in-house matches and is coming along nicely regarding his injury but his fitness is well behind others.
I'd expect him to come on as a sub today.

Will we go all out to win this today with the benefit of another match v the Dubs or will we be bate before we walk on the pitch.
I see it's on TG4 at 5pm.

Met a few Cavan lads this week in Downings and they seem confident enough for the match with us.
They see us as very unsettled just now with no definite starting 15 and a very weak MF area.
Naturally they are unsure will they beat Donegal in the semi but they certainly don't seem to fear us which is surprising when you look at their record against us.

"Probably a week too soon" for McShane according to Dooher on BBC
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on June 12, 2021, 03:17:06 PM
Mcshane doesn't even make the 26.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 04:08:02 PM
Any team named?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2021, 04:22:26 PM
McGeary starts. Can't wait to watch him kick the ball away.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on June 12, 2021, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 12, 2021, 04:22:26 PM
McGeary starts. Can't wait to watch him kick the ball away.

What did McGeary do to you, you have some vendetta against him ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 12, 2021, 04:22:26 PM
McGeary starts. Can't wait to watch him kick the ball away.

McGeary proving you wrong so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 05:23:45 PM
Started brightly enough but the defence is wide open at times. Hope canavan is ok but doesn't look good
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 12, 2021, 04:22:26 PM
McGeary starts. Can't wait to watch him kick the ball away.

McGeary proving you wrong so far.

This is f**king terrible to watch. An embarrassment so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 12, 2021, 05:25:47 PM
What the f**k was Morgan at standing out on the 20 after that kick out?? He should know to get back to his line as soon as it went to Kerry man. His kick outs been brutal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
Defence parting like the white and red sea for these goals.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 12, 2021, 05:32:41 PM
Sweet feck, how can one handpass over the top cause so many goals? U14 level defending here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:32:54 PM
Be no Sam the year boys.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2021, 05:33:26 PM
McGeary will save us
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
I see the new Louth manager is doing well. Maybe we could entice him to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on June 12, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
Lmao where the harte haters now shambolic. Donaghy playing like a junior b.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone11234 on June 12, 2021, 05:38:56 PM
What is Morgan doing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:39:44 PM
Anyone heard from SouthTyroneGael?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 12, 2021, 05:40:08 PM
Wtf??!! Another goal with a Kerry man behind our full back line with no one near him. Who the feck are marking these men???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
This is some shit show. Will take years to undo the damage Harte has done. Our defenders have forgot how to defend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 12, 2021, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
This is some shit show. Will take years to undo the damage Harte has done. Our defenders have forgot how to defend.
Ah now still blaming Harte after he's gone  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:43:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
This is some shit show. Will take years to undo the damage Harte has done. Our defenders have forgot how to defend.

Lol this team minus Donaghy ran Kerry close less than 2 years ago. Was Colm Cav this important?

Harte was a tactical genius and is sorely missed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 05:46:27 PM
How many times did hartes teams get hammered in Kerry? I can think of at least 3. Not that that matters today. Incredibly poor stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 12, 2021, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:43:26 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
This is some shit show. Will take years to undo the damage Harte has done. Our defenders have forgot how to defend.

Lol this team minus Donaghy ran Kerry close less than 2 years ago. Was Colm Cav this important?

Harte was a tactical genius and is sorely missed.

Under harte tyrone haven't beat kerry, mayo or dub since 2008. Things havent changed. It was always going to take logan and dooher a few years to install their influence. I won't judge until they have at least 2 full normal seasons in charge
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 12, 2021, 05:49:38 PM
We can beat kerry and dublin in awful conditions.......
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2021, 05:55:18 PM
Anyway, expectations for this year now a lot more realistic. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on June 12, 2021, 05:58:26 PM
Logan and Dooher will learn much about this group in the next half hour.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 06:00:49 PM
I agree. Some sort of reaction needed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:02:09 PM
Positives:
Mccurry
Mcgeary
Mckenna flick ons from goal kick worked a couple of times

I'm hoping for more direct kicking into full forward line. Almost worked a couple of times.
Clutching at straws here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on June 12, 2021, 06:04:36 PM
There have been plenty of hammerings dished out in Kilarney and Tyrone have still done ok further down the line.

4 games in, trying to change an embedded style, without our all star FF is not the time to make rash judgements on management.

They will learn plenty from today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:05:46 PM
Was Munroe the one most at fault for the goals or just the easiest target to sub off?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: delgany on June 12, 2021, 06:16:36 PM
No CHB on the pitch !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2021, 06:17:46 PM
Harte is a liability at CHB
Morgan to error prone
Fitness not there either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:19:14 PM
I thought Ronan O'Neill was cut from the panel, no?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 06:22:38 PM
MC curry has been outstanding. Beat his man to every ball . on his own though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on June 12, 2021, 06:26:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 12, 2021, 06:16:36 PM
No CHB on the pitch !

Harte scapegoat again!! Let's be honest there's alot of shit around him and that's a fact. Tyrone are miles off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2021, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on June 12, 2021, 06:26:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 12, 2021, 06:16:36 PM
No CHB on the pitch !

Harte scapegoat again!! Let's be honest there's alot of shit around him and that's a fact. Tyrone are miles off.

Ok Aine. Calm down.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 06:32:37 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on June 12, 2021, 06:26:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 12, 2021, 06:16:36 PM
No CHB on the pitch !
yeah Harte seems to be shit alot alright.

Harte scapegoat again!! Let's be honest there's alot of shit around him and that's a fact. Tyrone are miles off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on June 12, 2021, 06:35:26 PM
  :) :) Morgan chipped and flapping like a duck all in one day.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on June 12, 2021, 06:37:09 PM
Tyrone haven't developed a topclass forward in 10 years. More is thought of a hard working half forward where scoring is not as important. Today is a result of that. Meanwhile in kerry they've had cooper, o Donohoe, Geaney and now the Clifford's 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:40:13 PM
Instead of asking the linesman there the ref took Tommy Walsh's advice on how to discipline Mattie. Did he even see the incident?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 06:42:54 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on June 12, 2021, 06:37:09 PM
Tyrone haven't developed a topclass forward in 10 years. More is thought of a hard working half forward where scoring is not as important. Today is a result of that. Meanwhile in kerry they've had cooper, o Donohoe, Geaney and now the Clifford's
who's been manager this last ten years? Tyrone have to learn how to play football all over again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:44:53 PM
No top class forwards?  McShane all-star at full forward a couple of years back. Mattie numerous all stars. Mccurry consistently hits 6+ points a game, possibly Tyrones top scorer of all time?
Some here have short memories.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on June 12, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Would any of them make that Kerry forward line? Not a chance. Hopefully Darraghs injury isn't to serious.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 12, 2021, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:44:53 PM
No top class forwards?  McShane all-star at full forward a couple of years back. Mattie numerous all stars. Mccurry consistently hits 6+ points a game, possibly Tyrones top scorer of all time?*
Some here have short memories.

Have you only started following Tyrone in the last year or two. What a ridiculous statement
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:54:47 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on June 12, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Would any of them make that Kerry forward line? Not a chance. Hopefully Darraghs injury isn't to serious.
That's a bit of a different argument than not developing talent.

At the minute, obviously not but to say Tyrone haven't developed top class forwards is an insult to the hard work going on in the county by amateur players and coaches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:57:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2021, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 12, 2021, 06:44:53 PM
No top class forwards?  McShane all-star at full forward a couple of years back. Mattie numerous all stars. Mccurry consistently hits 6+ points a game, possibly Tyrones top scorer of all time?*
Some here have short memories.

Have you only started following Tyrone in the last year or two. What a ridiculous statement
Which of my statements is ridiculous?

When McShane won an all-star was he not top class?
When Mattie won his all stars was he not top-class?
Is McCurry not currently/ in the last ten years been top-class?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on June 12, 2021, 06:58:02 PM
Lads this was a glorified challenge game.Worrying the concession of some many goals.Joint management does not work imo.A bit of realism is needed playing a Div 4 team next will be a interesting encounter.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 12, 2021, 07:00:09 PM
Can anyone pass Feargal or Brian Colm Cavanagh's number. I'm sure he has a year or 2 left in the tank yet.

Defending like that won't see us go very far!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 12, 2021, 07:01:39 PM
Is our defensive strategy to crowd the space between the midfield and the opposition 65? It's hard to tell on TV. We are a complete shambles.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 07:06:52 PM
Need to make either hampsey or Brennan our permanent chb. Watch every goal Kerry scored and Harte is nowhere to be seen. Not completely his fault but he just doesn't have the presence of a Conor gormley in the spine of defense.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on June 12, 2021, 07:11:19 PM
I would never insult any of the hard working coaches in tyrone

It remains to be seen how mc shane will return from injury. He hasn't played in a long time. When I watch kerry I see much more technically gifted footballers than tyrone. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on June 12, 2021, 07:37:15 PM
it's hardly the first time we shifted a kicking in Kerry, i remember James o'donaghoe running riot a few years ago and many of our best teams didn't have a good record as well but what would annoy me in general, we can't repay the favour in Omagh.

Today showed a lot of our best is not good enough and their best behind them, no midfield or spine, surely brennan has to start at 6, we looked very leggy, kerry had more energy power and speed, our full forward line can't win their own 50/50's, and thinking mcshane can come back in and do what he has only done for 1 year would be too much. McKenna needs to be out the field, he has been anonymous, and the simple comparison between clifford and our best young players is stark. it's going to be the odd ulster and AI semi final if we are lucky for the next 5-6 years - miles off the top 2
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
I see the new Louth manager is doing well. Maybe we could entice him to Tyrone.
the next time Tyrone are playing a division 4 team we will give him a shout.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 12, 2021, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
I see the new Louth manager is doing well. Maybe we could entice him to Tyrone.
the next time Tyrone are playing a division 4 team we will give him a shout.

First round of the Ulster championship then
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 12, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
Jeez ure man is awful simpleton above. We shipped a similar hammering when mcshane got injured in the league v Galway last year. Nearly everyone who ever played has been there at sometime. Hopefully it's the kick up the hole they all need. Time to go back to the defensive game plan that the players all know so well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 12, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
Jeez ure man is awful simpleton above. We shipped a similar hammering when mcshane got injured in the league v Galway last year. Nearly everyone who ever played has been there at sometime. Hopefully it's the kick up the hole they all need. Time to go back to the defensive game plan that the players all know so well.
yeah let's go back to our defensive gameplan that Dublin, Kerry and mayo knows so well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 12, 2021, 08:06:50 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 12, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
Jeez ure man is awful simpleton above. We shipped a similar hammering when mcshane got injured in the league v Galway last year. Nearly everyone who ever played has been there at sometime. Hopefully it's the kick up the hole they all need. Time to go back to the defensive game plan that the players all know so well.

If you were referring to me I was just pointing out when we next play a division 4 team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 08:17:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 12, 2021, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
I see the new Louth manager is doing well. Maybe we could entice him to Tyrone.
the next time Tyrone are playing a division 4 team we will give him a shout.

First round of the Ulster championship then

😄
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 08:25:38 PM
I think we've had quite enough of Harte regardless of who we are playing thanks. Any of yous that love Harte enough can go support Louth. Did anyone see hartes interview on rte after the game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2021, 08:32:37 PM
Harte a man with zero integrity. Left Tyrone in a worse state than when took over. Ruined our reputation and ruined our football. I'd play Louth to f**king keep him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 08:34:15 PM
+1 trailer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 08:39:30 PM
Harte/Devlin on 100 grand a year in Louth apparently. They had a gofundme set up so I chipped in a few pound.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on June 12, 2021, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 12, 2021, 08:06:50 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 12, 2021, 08:01:54 PM
Jeez ure man is awful simpleton above. We shipped a similar hammering when mcshane got injured in the league v Galway last year. Nearly everyone who ever played has been there at sometime. Hopefully it's the kick up the hole they all need. Time to go back to the defensive game plan that the players all know so well.

If you were referring to me I was just pointing out when we next play a division 4 team.
I'm hardly referring to u benny now come on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2021, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 12, 2021, 08:32:37 PM
Harte a man with zero integrity. Left Tyrone in a worse state than when took over. Ruined our reputation and ruined our football. I'd play Louth to f**king keep him.

Today is clear evidence that a massive rebuilding job is needed from the Harte era. In reality there was never going to be a smooth transition.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StPatsAbu on June 12, 2021, 09:25:04 PM
Did Tyrone even deploy with sweeper today? The ineptitude of the defensive set-up playing the kingdom in Killarney beggars belief!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on June 12, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 08:39:30 PM
Harte/Devlin on 100 grand a year in Louth apparently. They had a gofundme set up so I chipped in a few pound.

Trailer/stg two bellends. You don't know how good things are until you lose it. I'm not saying bring back harre, but he definitely kept us competitive and at the top table.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2021, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on June 12, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 08:39:30 PM
Harte/Devlin on 100 grand a year in Louth apparently. They had a gofundme set up so I chipped in a few pound.

Trailer/stg two bellends. You don't know how good things are until you lose it. I'm not saying bring back harre, but he definitely kept us competitive and at the top table.

Wise up. It's been 4 games and they're still starting McGeary.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 12, 2021, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 12, 2021, 08:32:37 PM
Harte a man with zero integrity. Left Tyrone in a worse state than when took over. Ruined our reputation and ruined our football. I'd play Louth to f**king keep him.

You not make the county minor squad then naw

✊💦💦💦
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on June 12, 2021, 11:22:47 PM
This will take time.

Many of these players have been playing a way that kept them top 6 but nowhere near competing for silver.

Give the management time to find their feet. Maybe 20 games. Not 4.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on June 13, 2021, 07:40:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 12, 2021, 11:22:47 PM
This will take time.

Many of these players have been playing a way that kept them top 6 but nowhere near competing for silver.

Give the management time to find their feet. Maybe 20 games. Not 4.

Any county with a brand new management in place this year was at a massive disadvantage. No mckenna cup or normal 7 game league to try out new players and systems. Terrible result yesterday but Logan and Dooher did manage to keep tyrone in division one. They've also been without mcshane who's a big loss.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on June 13, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Gaagaagaa20 on June 13, 2021, 09:50:39 AM
How bad was your defence and Morgan yesterday

Terrible. Before getting near the football department The difference in fitness level alone was stark
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on June 13, 2021, 11:31:49 AM
Isn't Peter Donnelly back this year? Colin Holmes and Joe McMahon involved too? What's going on at training? As good as Kerry were no Tyrone team should be conceding 6 goals even if we are in a rebuilding process.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 13, 2021, 02:10:57 PM
These guys play a different set up with their clubs week in week out. Do you honestly think they can't switch systems relatively easily. Some of the mental gymnastics going on to try and pin that performance on Harte is laughable.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on June 13, 2021, 03:34:17 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2021, 07:40:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 12, 2021, 11:22:47 PM
This will take time.

Many of these players have been playing a way that kept them top 6 but nowhere near competing for silver.

Give the management time to find their feet. Maybe 20 games. Not 4.

Any county with a brand new management in place this year was at a massive disadvantage. No mckenna cup or normal 7 game league to try out new players and systems. Terrible result yesterday but Logan and Dooher did manage to keep tyrone in division one. They've also been without mcshane who's a big loss.

Yeah Dublin were at a massive disadvantage last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 13, 2021, 03:53:15 PM
Quote from: trileacman on June 13, 2021, 03:34:17 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2021, 07:40:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 12, 2021, 11:22:47 PM
This will take time.

Many of these players have been playing a way that kept them top 6 but nowhere near competing for silver.

Give the management time to find their feet. Maybe 20 games. Not 4.

Any county with a brand new management in place this year was at a massive disadvantage. No mckenna cup or normal 7 game league to try out new players and systems. Terrible result yesterday but Logan and Dooher did manage to keep tyrone in division one. They've also been without mcshane who's a big loss.

Yeah Dublin were at a massive disadvantage last year.

Bit of a difference considering the size of the Dublin set up. All of tyrones management changed not just the manager. Dublin style hadn't changed really between the managers
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 13, 2021, 04:14:30 PM
Fitness not their either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 13, 2021, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 13, 2021, 04:14:30 PM
Fitness not their either.

Auck wiesht the f**k with the at a glance scientific postulations

Could easily beat Cavan in a few weeks, the day they have to worry about Kerry in the 2021 champ will be a good day
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 13, 2021, 05:33:21 PM
Not sure what the issue with mckenna is, he doesn't look too happy and has not really stood out in any of the 4 games so far. Donaghey confidence seems low. Either dooher and Co are playing a long con here and are going to unleash a completely different tyrone team in the championship or its going to be a very short season
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 13, 2021, 06:01:00 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 13, 2021, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 13, 2021, 04:14:30 PM
Fitness not their either.

Auck wiesht the f**k with the at a glance scientific postulations

Could easily beat Cavan in a few weeks, the day they have to worry about Kerry in the 2021 champ will be a good day

It's a discussion board you gobshite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 13, 2021, 08:27:59 PM
When your not at the game sometimes watching on tv it is hard to know the shape of the team over the field, still played loads of players behind the ball but maybe a bit higher up the field which left the full back line man on man which did not work out very well. I am the only one thinking we tried to play a highline and it backfired big time, time will tell this game could be a one off we will find out very shortly, its only 5/6 games ago when Galway beat us by 19 which could be worrying development if it happens again over the summer..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on June 14, 2021, 11:04:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 12, 2021, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 12, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
I see the new Louth manager is doing well. Maybe we could entice him to Tyrone.
the next time Tyrone are playing a division 4 team we will give him a shout.

First round of the Ulster championship then

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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 14, 2021, 11:14:50 AM
Classic STG.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 14, 2021, 11:22:08 AM
Would Tyrone be as well to get rid of the deadwood? McGeary, Burns, Myler, Morgan etc and just blood a load of young lads, even if it means Div 2 or 3 for a few years? Are we going to win anything with these lads in all seriousness?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 14, 2021, 11:44:58 AM
Morgan dead wood? FFS.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 14, 2021, 11:51:06 AM
Was never a pen by the way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on June 14, 2021, 01:30:00 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 14, 2021, 11:51:06 AM
Was never a pen by the way.

I thought it was a handy one. If Kerry had scored the 5 goals from play first it may not have been given. For what it's worth obviously.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bgal10 on June 14, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2021, 11:22:08 AM
Would Tyrone be as well to get rid of the deadwood? McGeary, Burns, Myler, Morgan etc and just blood a load of young lads, even if it means Div 2 or 3 for a few years? Are we going to win anything with these lads in all seriousness?

Some of the stuff posted on here is mind boggling.  Those 4 players mentioned are all on the squad/team on merit - what 4 young players exactly should we bring in to replace them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 14, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on June 14, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2021, 11:22:08 AM
Would Tyrone be as well to get rid of the deadwood? McGeary, Burns, Myler, Morgan etc and just blood a load of young lads, even if it means Div 2 or 3 for a few years? Are we going to win anything with these lads in all seriousness?

Some of the stuff posted on here is mind boggling.  Those 4 players mentioned are all on the squad/team on merit - what 4 young players exactly should we bring in to replace them?

Are they?
The fact remains Tyrone haven't beaten one the top teams in Championship since 2008. These players played on Saturday and Tyrone were absolutely humped. I'm not saying that they aren't the best available (well McGeary isn't) but should we not do what Dublin did? Get rid of the old guard who were mentally scarred and start a fresh? I feel we need new blood. It will be a long process and we will probably get worse before we get better but we may as well start.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 14, 2021, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on June 14, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2021, 11:22:08 AM
Would Tyrone be as well to get rid of the deadwood? McGeary, Burns, Myler, Morgan etc and just blood a load of young lads, even if it means Div 2 or 3 for a few years? Are we going to win anything with these lads in all seriousness?

Some of the stuff posted on here is mind boggling.  Those 4 players mentioned are all on the squad/team on merit - what 4 young players exactly should we bring in to replace them?

Aye you'd see more manners in an unmannerly neanderthal

All part of the craic of the board i suppose, elsewhere the Galway players are pathetic and its the managers fault
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 14, 2021, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on June 14, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2021, 11:22:08 AM
Would Tyrone be as well to get rid of the deadwood? McGeary, Burns, Myler, Morgan etc and just blood a load of young lads, even if it means Div 2 or 3 for a few years? Are we going to win anything with these lads in all seriousness?

Some of the stuff posted on here is mind boggling.  Those 4 players mentioned are all on the squad/team on merit - what 4 young players exactly should we bring in to replace them?

Are they?
The fact remains Tyrone haven't beaten one the top teams in Championship since 2008. These players played on Saturday and Tyrone were absolutely humped. I'm not saying that they aren't the best available (well McGeary isn't) but should we not do what Dublin did? Get rid of the old guard who were mentally scarred and start a fresh? I feel we need new blood. It will be a long process and we will probably get worse before we get better but we may as well start.
Last year it was a new manager, now it's new players. Some counties would be better off without supporters like you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on June 14, 2021, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: bgal10 on June 14, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 14, 2021, 11:22:08 AM
Would Tyrone be as well to get rid of the deadwood? McGeary, Burns, Myler, Morgan etc and just blood a load of young lads, even if it means Div 2 or 3 for a few years? Are we going to win anything with these lads in all seriousness?

Some of the stuff posted on here is mind boggling.  Those 4 players mentioned are all on the squad/team on merit - what 4 young players exactly should we bring in to replace them?

Are they?
The fact remains Tyrone haven't beaten one the top teams in Championship since 2008. These players played on Saturday and Tyrone were absolutely humped. I'm not saying that they aren't the best available (well McGeary isn't) but should we not do what Dublin did? Get rid of the old guard who were mentally scarred and start a fresh? I feel we need new blood. It will be a long process and we will probably get worse before we get better but we may as well start.

McGeary scored 3 against Kerry and 2 against Monaghan from play. What's your agenda?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: phpearse on June 14, 2021, 04:15:49 PM
McGeary leaves everything on the pitch. There are players in that team that you could point the finger at for not putting the effort in but McGeary is not one of them. You could even see in the past few games he has rowed back a bit on the tackles and conceeding scorable fress and he is getting on the score board as well. The lad has his place on merit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on June 14, 2021, 04:47:47 PM
It's very early days for a new management team and I wouldn't be overly worried about getting a hidin from a very sharp and young Kerry team.
Of course it's hard to take a big score beating like that but it's done now so it's a matter of learning from it and moving on.
Main areas of work would be general fitness, learning to tackle and marking much more tightly.

Not much to ask for, !!  but think it'll be ok  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on June 14, 2021, 09:21:30 PM
What team will start championship? Assume canavan and McShane out

Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Munroe
T McCann
Hampsey
Harte
Donnelly
Burns
Sludden
Mckenna
Meyler
McGeary
Mccurry
Bradley

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on June 14, 2021, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on June 14, 2021, 09:21:30 PM
What team will start championship? Assume canavan and McShane out

Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Munroe
T McCann
Hampsey
Harte
Donnelly
Burns
Sludden
Mckenna
Meyler
McGeary
Mccurry
Bradley
I think it would be a bit harsh to drop Donaghy. He seems like a confidence player and management should be doing as much as possible to boost his confidence.
T McCann very impressive off the bench. Great to see it after a couple of ropey years form wise.
Sludden has also done well off the bench but not enough to start I would think.
I think Burns should be brought back to sweeper and Mckenna to midfield. As much as we hated watching the blanket it is badly needed in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on June 14, 2021, 10:50:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 12, 2021, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on June 12, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on June 12, 2021, 08:39:30 PM
Harte/Devlin on 100 grand a year in Louth apparently. They had a gofundme set up so I chipped in a few pound.

Trailer/stg two bellends. You don't know how good things are until you lose it. I'm not saying bring back harre, but he definitely kept us competitive and at the top table.

Wise up. It's been 4 games and they're still starting McGeary.

McGeary is a good player who always chips in with a few from play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on June 14, 2021, 10:56:58 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 14, 2021, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on June 14, 2021, 09:21:30 PM
What team will start championship? Assume canavan and McShane out

Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Munroe
T McCann
Hampsey
Harte
Donnelly
Burns
Sludden
Mckenna
Meyler
McGeary
Mccurry
Bradley
I think it would be a bit harsh to drop Donaghy. He seems like a confidence player and management should be doing as much as possible to boost his confidence.
T McCann very impressive off the bench. Great to see it after a couple of ropey years form wise.
Sludden has also done well off the bench but not enough to start I would think.
I think Burns should be brought back to sweeper and Mckenna to midfield. As much as we hated watching the blanket it is badly needed in my opinion.

Think your right on donaghy and Cavan although Ulster champions are not Kerry. Just hasn't worked out for him. Burns a bit of weight about him and needed against Cavan. McKenna needs out of full forward with a role between half forward and midfield
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 14, 2021, 11:11:58 PM
McKenna might be better used as a wing back for the time being. Use his athleticism to bomb up and down. He might be better suited to coming on to the ball than getting it with his back to goal. The criticism of Meyler and McGeary is strange. Two of the better players on Saturday from my point of view, McGeary got 3 decent points from play and Meyler did a decent job on Sean O'Se under a lot of pressure. I think he definitely has a role to play tracking the oppositions most dynamic forward. Any word on Canavan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on June 15, 2021, 02:26:09 PM
Read on here a couple of weeks ago that Benny Gallen left the squad for a golf scholarship and I never knew him to be a golfer. After asking around it has been confirmed that he was accepted into a D2 NCAA college golfing program. Fair dues to the lad and I wish him all the best, it would be extremely hard to turn down a shot at professional sport.

However, based on the weekends result in Kerry we may need to get Keystone on board to keep him after the 6 goal smashing we took. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 15, 2021, 06:22:42 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 14, 2021, 11:11:58 PM
McKenna might be better used as a wing back for the time being. Use his athleticism to bomb up and down. He might be better suited to coming on to the ball than getting it with his back to goal. The criticism of Meyler and McGeary is strange. Two of the better players on Saturday from my point of view, McGeary got 3 decent points from play and Meyler did a decent job on Sean O'Se under a lot of pressure. I think he definitely has a role to play tracking the oppositions most dynamic forward. Any word on Canavan?


Take a look at McKenna's position when Gavin White Lobbed our Keeper he never made an effort to get across and get pressure on the kicker which was disappointing and maybe summed up the attitude of the team need to work a lot harder that for sure. McKenna is not living a professional lifestyle so his fitness levels will not be at the same level as they wore when he came from Aussie land, we all expect a bit more all the same...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone11234 on June 15, 2021, 09:10:40 PM
Why is Kennedy and Brennan getting no game time this year? Looks a strong team only change I would make is Cassidy/Rafferty for Munroe
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 15, 2021, 11:34:06 PM
Any news on Canavan and Ronan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on June 16, 2021, 08:04:30 AM
Quote from: Tyrone11234 on June 15, 2021, 09:10:40 PM
Why is Kennedy and Brennan getting no game time this year? Looks a strong team only change I would make is Cassidy/Rafferty for Munroe

Kennedy is a strange one. But from a yarn with one or two Brennan isn't at the pace of it. He's a classy classy operator but I don't think he is a county forward. He could drop off to Trillick very handy
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on June 16, 2021, 08:46:35 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on June 16, 2021, 08:04:30 AM
Quote from: Tyrone11234 on June 15, 2021, 09:10:40 PM
Why is Kennedy and Brennan getting no game time this year? Looks a strong team only change I would make is Cassidy/Rafferty for Munroe

Kennedy is a strange one. But from a yarn with one or two Brennan isn't at the pace of it. He's a classy classy operator but I don't think he is a county forward. He could drop off to Trillick very handy

Kennedy injured a hamstring in the Donegal game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Ty4Sam on June 16, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
I hear the usual shite has started this year again. Last years minors play Derry next Saturday in the championship, players told they are not allowed to play for clubs (senior and u19) this weekend and next week by the management. A few clubs even weaker over the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on June 16, 2021, 10:08:38 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on June 16, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
I hear the usual shite has started this year again. Last years minors play Derry next Saturday in the championship, players told they are not allowed to play for clubs (senior and u19) this weekend and next week by the management. A few clubs even weaker over the next 2 weeks.

Surely Senior can play this weekend Tyrone don't play for 3 weeks,,,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on June 16, 2021, 10:17:46 PM
I think tyrone will struggle over the next 2-3 years. They have had the same problem for the last 5-6 years, too many "nice" footballers. These lad will score all day if you put it on a plate for them and give them a bit of space.

Tyrone don't have the aggressiveness of the top teams e.g mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Donegal etc. These teams have players who win the dirty ball and who get in the face of the opposition. Too many of the tyrone players don't have that desire they are more concerned about looking good.

O'Neill, mulligan etc were very skillful but could also win the dirty ball and bully defenders. Peter harte is a prime example, wonderfully skilled player but constantly allows himself to be bullied in the big games. Last year he allowed himself to be simply pushed back by the kerry defender anytime he tried to move. Yes he was being fouled but he had to find a way into the game.

For all the abuse tyrone get about being dirty I think they are far too nice. You simply nee players who never say die. Tyrone in the 00's had a team full of them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on June 16, 2021, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on June 16, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
I hear the usual shite has started this year again. Last years minors play Derry next Saturday in the championship, players told they are not allowed to play for clubs (senior and u19) this weekend and next week by the management. A few clubs even weaker over the next 2 weeks.

I think what he refers to us that last years Tyrone U17 team play next weekend in the 2020 Ulster semi v Derry and are therefore not allowed to play this weekend for the club senior or u19 sides. Basically gun put to their head by management
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on June 18, 2021, 04:31:58 PM
bigtogs
"Take a look at McKenna's position when Gavin White Lobbed our Keeper he never made an effort to get across and get pressure on the kicker which was disappointing"

Something similar in the Armagh game for their first goal.
I think he's a good player but may be asking a lot for him to come back to Tyrone and be a dominant force immediately.
He was a little bit of an unknown quantity for the few games last season and may have benefitted against opposition defences for that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on June 18, 2021, 04:49:36 PM
Quote from: MC on June 18, 2021, 04:31:58 PM
bigtogs
"Take a look at McKenna's position when Gavin White Lobbed our Keeper he never made an effort to get across and get pressure on the kicker which was disappointing"

Something similar in the Armagh game for their first goal.
I think he's a good player but may be asking a lot for him to come back to Tyrone and be a dominant force immediately.
He was a little bit of an unknown quantity for the few games last season and may have benefitted against opposition defences for that.

Think so and would like to see him coming onto the ball and see his pace. Playing FF against quality full backs not easy with little games in that position.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 21, 2021, 10:56:41 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2021, 11:34:06 PM
Any news on Canavan and Ronan?

THE Tyrone manager, Feargal Logan, has revealed that Darragh Canavan is in a battle to be fit for the Ulster Championship opener against Cavan at O'Neill's Healy Park next month.

He was injured in the early stages of the National League semi-final against Kerry nine days ago. But there are hopes that he will have recovered sufficiently from the angle injury to be in contention for a place against the reigning champions.

Feargal Logan also revealed that Cathal McShane, who missed the league campaign, is also currently taking a full part in training.

"Darragh had an ankle injury which just innocently against Kerry which is going to keep him out for a few weeks. But the early signs are good, even though it's very painful," the Stewartstown clubman said.

"It's very unfortunate for him, but hopefully it's a matter of weeks for him and not beyond that. It would be hopeful (that he'd be in the frame for the Cavan game) but we've just got to take it day by day and week by week in the meantime. He may be in difficulties for that match.

"Cathal (McShane) is coming on very well and has full participation essentially. But because it's such a long time off with Cathal, we'r ejust re-integrating him gently. We are hopeful for him that it all comes together."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on June 22, 2021, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.

Quite unfair on Cathal to be thrown back into this level after a serious injury but no surprise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 22, 2021, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.

Morgan is far to error prone at this level. Tyrone should be looking for another option.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on June 22, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.

Morgan is far to error prone at this level. Tyrone should be looking for another option.
The mid field options for him to aim at aren't great.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on June 22, 2021, 04:13:16 PM
Mc Shane has always been a very good player even before he went into full forward.
Remember it was his superb distance point against Meath that brought us level and kept us in the championship just a few years ago.
Logan mentions about bringing him back as he regains fitness - probably a good way to do that than in a challenge game.
We should expect nothing more but for him to be completely off the pace - may just make it back in time as an impact sub.

Morgan needs a bit more focus as a keeper and not get himself distracted or worse, bored - always a danger with outfield players in nets - they want to be involved.
His kickouts need to improve but I've always thought that needs to improve as a team strategy rather then just pointing at him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 22, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 22, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.

Morgan is far to error prone at this level. Tyrone should be looking for another option.
The mid field options for him to aim at aren't great.

When he stood 20 yards from goal V Kerry and got lobbed that wasn't MF fault.
When he scuffed a kick out to Dublin in AIF that led directly to goal that wasn't MF fault.

He makes 3-4 big mistakes in every game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on June 23, 2021, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 22, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.

Morgan is far to error prone at this level. Tyrone should be looking for another option.
The mid field options for him to aim at aren't great.

When he stood 20 yards from goal V Kerry and got lobbed that wasn't MF fault.
When he scuffed a kick out to Dublin in AIF that led directly to goal that wasn't MF fault.

He makes 3-4 big mistakes in every game.

He does make mistakes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on June 23, 2021, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 23, 2021, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 22, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.

Morgan is far to error prone at this level. Tyrone should be looking for another option.
The mid field options for him to aim at aren't great.

When he stood 20 yards from goal V Kerry and got lobbed that wasn't MF fault.
When he scuffed a kick out to Dublin in AIF that led directly to goal that wasn't MF fault.

He makes 3-4 big mistakes in every game.

He does make mistakes.

No doubt he makes mistakes but unless someone can come up with an alternative then that should be that.

His kickouts are absolutely superb at times and that what is required of a modern keeper when restarting the game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 23, 2021, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 23, 2021, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 23, 2021, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 22, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.

Morgan is far to error prone at this level. Tyrone should be looking for another option.
The mid field options for him to aim at aren't great.

When he stood 20 yards from goal V Kerry and got lobbed that wasn't MF fault.
When he scuffed a kick out to Dublin in AIF that led directly to goal that wasn't MF fault.

He makes 3-4 big mistakes in every game.

He does make mistakes.

No doubt he makes mistakes but unless someone can come up with an alternative then that should be that.

His kickouts are absolutely superb at times and that what is required of a modern keeper when restarting the game

I think that is what is frustrating because when he's good he's very good. But he just has too many brain farts.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on June 23, 2021, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 23, 2021, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 23, 2021, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 23, 2021, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on June 22, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 22, 2021, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on June 22, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Pearse Blue on June 22, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
McShane gonna be nowhere near ready for an ulster championship game. OK he had one great season at full forward (don't forget about the couple of poor seasons before that) but the man hasn't kicked a competitive ball in almost 2 years. If he is the FF starter Tyrone are in even bigger trouble than it appears.
We(Roscommon) played Tyrone in Roslea on Sunday and McShane was playing. The lads i spoke to said he was miles off it and extremely rusty as you would expect. Will take him a while to reach near his level after such a lay off. Niall Morgan i hear had another shocker and we got around 1-4 off him losing the ball or bad kickouts.

Morgan is far to error prone at this level. Tyrone should be looking for another option.
The mid field options for him to aim at aren't great.

When he stood 20 yards from goal V Kerry and got lobbed that wasn't MF fault.
When he scuffed a kick out to Dublin in AIF that led directly to goal that wasn't MF fault.

He makes 3-4 big mistakes in every game.

He does make mistakes.

No doubt he makes mistakes but unless someone can come up with an alternative then that should be that.

His kickouts are absolutely superb at times and that what is required of a modern keeper when restarting the game

I think that is what is frustrating because when he's good he's very good. But he just has too many brain farts.

Too many brain farts surely, We really lack physic in our middle 8, Kick outs will be a thorn in our side.

You have to assume brain farts is why Morgan hasn't played out the pitch. An all Endendork mid-field could have been likely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 27, 2021, 08:31:05 PM
Louth bate by Offaly over 40s. Bluffer Harte found out again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 28, 2021, 09:31:04 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2021, 08:31:05 PM
Louth bate by Offaly over 40s. Bluffer Harte found out again.

Or Louth battle to bring a team, who are a full division ahead of them, to extra time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on June 28, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 28, 2021, 09:31:04 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 27, 2021, 08:31:05 PM
Louth bate by Offaly over 40s. Bluffer Harte found out again.

Or Louth battle to bring a team, who are a full division ahead of them, to extra time.

More Mass needed for Louth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone11234 on June 29, 2021, 05:57:15 PM
Trailer loves a good dig at Mickey Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on June 29, 2021, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Tyrone11234 on June 29, 2021, 05:57:15 PM
Trailer loves a good dig at Mickey Harte

Let me know when he comes up with a good one
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GaelTheGael on July 02, 2021, 01:41:36 PM
Anyone have the full squad list for Tyrone U20s?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on July 05, 2021, 09:50:23 PM
Any rumours from the camp on starting team?

Il go

Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Hampsey
T McCann
Burns
Harte
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Meyler
C McKenna
McGeary
Mccurry
Donaghy
Bradley

Assuming Canavan and McShane won't make it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 06, 2021, 12:41:12 AM
Jaysus it's very quiet before a first round game.
Has expectation for the year fallen off the scale?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CK_Redhand on July 06, 2021, 07:39:57 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on July 05, 2021, 09:50:23 PM
Any rumours from the camp on starting team?

Il go

Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Hampsey
T McCann
Burns
Harte
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Meyler
C McKenna
McGeary
Mccurry
Donaghy
Bradley

Assuming Canavan and McShane won't make it.
I'd go for something similar. Any word on Kennedy?  Hard to believe after noting a weakness in midfield for so long our best options may be 2 Donnellys.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on July 06, 2021, 09:58:51 AM
really is a difficult one to predict, Tyrone shockingly poor last day out, Cavan relegated to div4 but we know their better than that and are capable of a big Ulster championship performance.. still expect Tyrone to come through by 5+ points
what we have been seeing so far is the Div1 teams being much more superior than those in the lower divisions, especially in the 2nd half of games
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: kickitin on July 06, 2021, 10:50:19 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on July 05, 2021, 09:50:23 PM
Any rumours from the camp on starting team?

Il go

Morgan
Brennan
Mcnamee
Hampsey
T McCann
Burns
Harte
R Donnelly
M Donnelly
Meyler
C McKenna
McGeary
Mccurry
Donaghy
Bradley

Assuming Canavan and McShane won't make it.

hard to believe our 2 most naturally gifted forwards, in O'neill & Brennan, haven't yet and will continue to not get a sniff. as poor as Cavan were in the league, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see Tyrone struggle this Saturday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 06, 2021, 09:13:58 PM
Whats the craic with attendance numbers and tickets?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone11234 on July 06, 2021, 10:35:06 PM
500 from what I hear- i assume it's 2 per club once again
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on July 07, 2021, 01:00:02 AM
Quote from: Tyrone11234 on July 06, 2021, 10:35:06 PM
500 from what I hear- i assume it's 2 per club once again
1700, 8 tickets per club
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Taylor on July 07, 2021, 08:39:24 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on July 06, 2021, 09:58:51 AM
really is a difficult one to predict, Tyrone shockingly poor last day out, Cavan relegated to div4 but we know their better than that and are capable of a big Ulster championship performance.. still expect Tyrone to come through by 5+ points
what we have been seeing so far is the Div1 teams being much more superior than those in the lower divisions, especially in the 2nd half of games

Think we will be 7+ point winners.

These things happen in provinces every so often whereby a dark horse wins it.

Tipp wont be winning Munster like Cavan wont be winning Ulster.

The Donnelly midfield pairing may be good enough for Sunday but wont cut it v Donegal.

Even with injuries we have enough fire power for this week
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 07, 2021, 08:57:16 AM
Cavan have no one capable of marking The Dazzler
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 07, 2021, 11:18:31 AM
Morgan
Rafferty
McNamee
Cassidy
Brennan
Hampsey
Harte
Kennedy
M Donnelly
McCann T
C McKenna
McGeary
McCurry
Donaghy
Brennan

F Burns is liable to give away frees and is poor in the tackle, Kennedy if fit would be more mobile than RD, Lee Brennan needs a chance,  CHB is still an issue...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
If we don't have 10+ points to spare over Cavan I'd be disappointed.

Lets hope the terrible two from Pomeroy don't give the ball away as much as they normally do.
Looking forward to seeing Donaghy in Championship. See what he is capable of. Big stage suits McCurry. When it's to hard for everyone else it is just right for him. Expecting a lot from him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 07, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
If we don't have 10+ points to spare over Cavan I'd be disappointed.

Lets hope the terrible two from Pomeroy don't give the ball away as much as they normally do.
Looking forward to seeing Donaghy in Championship. See what he is capable of. Big stage suits McCurry. When it's to hard for everyone else it is just right for him. Expecting a lot from him.
Unfortunately, they will.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on July 07, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 07, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
If we don't have 10+ points to spare over Cavan I'd be disappointed.

Lets hope the terrible two from Pomeroy don't give the ball away as much as they normally do.
Looking forward to seeing Donaghy in Championship. See what he is capable of. Big stage suits McCurry. When it's to hard for everyone else it is just right for him. Expecting a lot from him.
Unfortunately, they will.

Kieran McGeary was arguably Tyrone's best performer in the league. Trailer finding it hard to hide his hatred of the Plunketts ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on July 07, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 07, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
If we don't have 10+ points to spare over Cavan I'd be disappointed.

Lets hope the terrible two from Pomeroy don't give the ball away as much as they normally do.
Looking forward to seeing Donaghy in Championship. See what he is capable of. Big stage suits McCurry. When it's to hard for everyone else it is just right for him. Expecting a lot from him.
Unfortunately, they will.

Kieran McGeary was arguably Tyrone's best performer in the league. Trailer finding it hard to hide his hatred of the Plunketts ;D

I absolutely do not hate the Plunketts or FB or KMCG. I hate how they give the ball away... all the time. McGeary was that bad one time in CP that MH brought him off after subbing him on. He was at fault for Kerry goal in 2019 AISF. He was also at fault for one of the Dublin goals in 2018. His mistakes are catastrophic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on July 07, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on July 07, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 07, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
If we don't have 10+ points to spare over Cavan I'd be disappointed.

Lets hope the terrible two from Pomeroy don't give the ball away as much as they normally do.
Looking forward to seeing Donaghy in Championship. See what he is capable of. Big stage suits McCurry. When it's to hard for everyone else it is just right for him. Expecting a lot from him.
Unfortunately, they will.

Kieran McGeary was arguably Tyrone's best performer in the league. Trailer finding it hard to hide his hatred of the Plunketts ;D

I absolutely do not hate the Plunketts or FB or KMCG. I hate how they give the ball away... all the time. McGeary was that bad one time in CP that MH brought him off after subbing him on. He was at fault for Kerry goal in 2019 AISF. He was also at fault for one of the Dublin goals in 2018. His mistakes are catastrophic.

Have to admit I feel the same about K.McG... He gives every single thing he has in effort though...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaafan2 on July 07, 2021, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: gaafan2 on July 07, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 07, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 07, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
If we don't have 10+ points to spare over Cavan I'd be disappointed.

Lets hope the terrible two from Pomeroy don't give the ball away as much as they normally do.
Looking forward to seeing Donaghy in Championship. See what he is capable of. Big stage suits McCurry. When it's to hard for everyone else it is just right for him. Expecting a lot from him.
Unfortunately, they will.

Kieran McGeary was arguably Tyrone's best performer in the league. Trailer finding it hard to hide his hatred of the Plunketts ;D

I absolutely do not hate the Plunketts or FB or KMCG. I hate how they give the ball away... all the time. McGeary was that bad one time in CP that MH brought him off after subbing him on. He was at fault for Kerry goal in 2019 AISF. He was also at fault for one of the Dublin goals in 2018. His mistakes are catastrophic.

The thing is you continually ridicule them two men. That's how I know you have an agenda. Did Niall Morgan not cost Tyrone a goal in that All Ireland final you refer to when Tyrone were well in the game? You seemed to have ignored my point that McGeary was one of Tyrones top performers in the league??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on July 07, 2021, 05:13:57 PM
McGeary was one of the better Tyrone players in the league any time I watched.  Works hard and chips in with 2/3 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trailer on July 07, 2021, 06:38:36 PM
Grand. A clean slate. I'll leave it off from now on. Looking forward to seeing this "new" Tyrone team in the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 07, 2021, 10:54:54 PM
The game is a real banana skin at the weekend I feel. Hope we can scrape through and buy ourselves another few weeks for canavan and MC Shane.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 08, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
No Conor McKenna on the panel for Saturday? Injured?

McShane named on bench and Kilpatrick starting MF
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 06:22:19 AM
Subs interesting
No Liam Rafferty
Niall Kelly and Ben McDonald wouldn't have been on the bench much during the league
Conroy recently called into squad makes it
Lee Brennan or Ronan O'Neill don't make it

Tyrone have 42 on squad. Far too many.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 09, 2021, 06:40:54 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 06:22:19 AM
Subs interesting
No Liam Rafferty
Niall Kelly and Ben McDonald wouldn't have been on the bench much during the league
Conroy recently called into squad makes it
Lee Brennan or Ronan O'Neill don't make it

Tyrone have 42 on squad. Far too many.

I doubt Lee brennan will stick around much longer. Ronan should have gone a long time ago. Mckenna has not played well in the last few games either.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 06:53:18 AM
No canavan and still four Errigal men on the panel.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 09, 2021, 06:56:59 AM
Morgan
McKiernan
McNamee
Hampsey
Rory Brennan
Michael ONeill
Peter Harte
Mattie Donnelly
Conn Kilpatrick
McGeary
Richie Donnelly
Meyler
McCurry
Donaghy
Sludden

Much more defensive lineup than during most of the league.
Yes Petey will probably attack quite a bit from half back but with Sludden probably gonna drop back and Meyler and McGeary also often back on our own forty, looks like the heavy defeat in Kerry means back to basics to rebuild confidence and structure.
Disappointing no Canavan, McKenna or McShane starting after we all dreamed of seeing them three form our attack this year.
I'm certainly not underestimating Cavan after how well they played last year and not much can be judged on a strange National league run of games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 09, 2021, 06:59:49 AM
Morgan
McKer McNamee Hamp
RBrenn MONeill PHarte
Matty Conn KILP
KMcGeary RDonn Meyler
DMcCurry Donaghy Sludden

Very strange team,  and subs............
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on July 09, 2021, 06:59:58 AM
3 defenders out of 6 in the forward line. This new regime is going to end up taking us back like the new era in meath when boylan left
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on July 09, 2021, 07:02:35 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 06:53:18 AM
No canavan and still four Errigal men on the panel.

I suppose you blame harte there too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 09, 2021, 07:43:17 AM
Why oh why did we get rid of Mickey Harte, it defies logic.

If he had announced that line up for a championship march, he would be slated by the usual suspects on here.  I mean, it will beat Cavan but doesn't look like a team that will cause the bigger teams any concern
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 08:27:35 AM
Can we have a list of people who are still on the training panel but haven't made the match day squad for one reason or other

Conor McKenna
Darragh Canavan
Cormac Monroe
Johnny Monroe
Lee Brennan
Ronan O'Neill
Shea Hamill
Liam Rafferty
Conor Quinn
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on July 09, 2021, 09:22:44 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 06:22:19 AM
Subs interesting
No Liam Rafferty
Niall Kelly and Ben McDonald wouldn't have been on the bench much during the league
Conroy recently called into squad makes it
Lee Brennan or Ronan O'Neill don't make it

Tyrone have 42 on squad. Far too many.

42 lads not able to play for their club, class craic, GAA should be rebranded Gaelic Gym Monkey Association
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: tiempo on July 09, 2021, 09:22:44 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 06:22:19 AM
Subs interesting
No Liam Rafferty
Niall Kelly and Ben McDonald wouldn't have been on the bench much during the league
Conroy recently called into squad makes it
Lee Brennan or Ronan O'Neill don't make it

Tyrone have 42 on squad. Far too many.

42 lads not able to play for their club, class craic, GAA should be rebranded Gaelic Gym Monkey Association

42 is the number I have been told but on top of the 26 named I have:

Conor McKenna
Darragh Canavan
Cormac Monroe
Johnny Monroe
Lee Brennan
Ronan O'Neill
Shea Hamill
Liam Rafferty
Conor Quinn

Maybe the 42 was before the Clonoe lads walked. Can't think of anyone else.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 09, 2021, 09:37:19 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 07, 2021, 10:54:54 PM
The game is a real banana skin at the weekend I feel. Hope we can scrape through and buy ourselves another few weeks for canavan and MC Shane.

Sure Harte is gone, we're a shoe-in for the all ireland, right?  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: kickitin on July 09, 2021, 09:42:20 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: tiempo on July 09, 2021, 09:22:44 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 06:22:19 AM
Subs interesting
No Liam Rafferty
Niall Kelly and Ben McDonald wouldn't have been on the bench much during the league
Conroy recently called into squad makes it
Lee Brennan or Ronan O'Neill don't make it

Tyrone have 42 on squad. Far too many.

42 lads not able to play for their club, class craic, GAA should be rebranded Gaelic Gym Monkey Association

42 is the number I have been told but on top of the 26 named I have:

Conor McKenna
Darragh Canavan
Cormac Monroe
Johnny Monroe
Lee Brennan
Ronan O'Neill
Shea Hamill
Liam Rafferty
Conor Quinn

Maybe the 42 was before the Clonoe lads walked. Can't think of anyone else.

Michael Cassidy, who i actually rate very highly, is another one. apart from him i think that's the full panel. can only assume mckenna is injured, O'neill and Lee brennan have to go back to their clubs now. especially with how both their respective clubs are performing. the difference these two players could make in a "starred" game is scary
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on July 09, 2021, 09:52:18 AM
McKenna injure a toe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 12:48:59 PM
Forgot Michael Cassidy. Is Murnaghan from Killyclogher Or David Mulgrew still on the panel
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: kickitin on July 09, 2021, 12:50:27 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 12:48:59 PM
Forgot Michael Cassidy. Is Murnaghan from Killyclogher Or David Mulgrew still on the panel

both gone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 09, 2021, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 09, 2021, 09:37:19 AM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 07, 2021, 10:54:54 PM
The game is a real banana skin at the weekend I feel. Hope we can scrape through and buy ourselves another few weeks for canavan and MC Shane.

Sure Harte is gone, we're a shoe-in for the all ireland, right?  ;D
getting rid of Harte had f**k all to do with winning all Ireland's. It was purely to drain the swamp. We have a long road ahead to rebuild. Harte is gone, Louth are still shite. Come on Tyrone!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: PMG1 on July 09, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: kickitin on July 09, 2021, 12:50:27 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 12:48:59 PM
Forgot Michael Cassidy. Is Murnaghan from Killyclogher Or David Mulgrew still on the panel

both gone
Peter Teague also
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 09, 2021, 10:15:19 PM
U20s poor tonight, still could have won but those 3/4 wides in a row in last 10 mins were a killer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 09, 2021, 10:20:19 PM
 What's wrong with Conor McKenna lads??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 09, 2021, 10:20:19 PM
What's wrong with Conor McKenna lads??

Have you seen the toe? Ssssshees not pretty
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 09, 2021, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 09, 2021, 10:20:19 PM
What's wrong with Conor McKenna lads??

Have you seen the toe? Ssssshees not pretty

You've lost me here lad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 09, 2021, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 09, 2021, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 09, 2021, 10:20:19 PM
What's wrong with Conor McKenna lads??

Have you seen the toe? Ssssshees not pretty

You've lost me here lad.

He's got a bad toe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on July 09, 2021, 10:32:48 PM
This game on live folks?  I see there's deferred coverage on BBC
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on July 09, 2021, 11:08:54 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 09, 2021, 10:32:48 PM
This game on live folks?  I see there's deferred coverage on BBC

Near certain Sky have it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 09, 2021, 11:20:44 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 09, 2021, 11:08:54 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 09, 2021, 10:32:48 PM
This game on live folks?  I see there's deferred coverage on BBC

Near certain Sky have it.
So long as it is not Pairc TV after the past 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on July 09, 2021, 11:29:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 09, 2021, 10:15:19 PM
U20s poor tonight, still could have won but those 3/4 wides in a row in last 10 mins were a killer.

Management poor again. Team that finished the game was much stronger than the starting 15. Left out several players that should surely have been starting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 10, 2021, 12:02:02 AM
Bit concerned with that lineout to be honest
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on July 10, 2021, 01:21:11 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on July 09, 2021, 11:29:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 09, 2021, 10:15:19 PM
U20s poor tonight, still could have won but those 3/4 wides in a row in last 10 mins were a killer.

Management poor again. Team that finished the game was much stronger than the starting 15. Left out several players that should surely have been starting.

Left out players who weren't even in the squad. No way under any circumstances is that the strongest U20 first 15 in Tyrone - absolutely not. Players are not our problem - management is!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 10, 2021, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 10, 2021, 01:21:11 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on July 09, 2021, 11:29:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 09, 2021, 10:15:19 PM
U20s poor tonight, still could have won but those 3/4 wides in a row in last 10 mins were a killer.

Management poor again. Team that finished the game was much stronger than the starting 15. Left out several players that should surely have been starting.

Left out players who weren't even in the squad. No way under any circumstances is that the strongest U20 first 15 in Tyrone - absolutely not. Players are not our problem - management is!!!!!
Fourth Team in a row Paul Devlin has underachieved with. Change of management wouldn't do any harm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Watcher on July 10, 2021, 09:40:35 AM
I have GaaGo but says not available in this region. Not happy if this is the case
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 10, 2021, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on July 10, 2021, 09:40:35 AM
I have GaaGo but says not available in this region. Not happy if this is the case

Game is on sky in the north. It might indeed not be available on gaago but maybe others could clarify.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Twobounces on July 10, 2021, 09:45:27 AM
Looking at Tyrone team for today and I hope I'm wrong but underwhelmed by it. Defence it is what it is, no real man markers for us.

Midfield we lack ball winners and a big ask of Kilpatrick today. Tyrone in general have been weak in this area.

Main issue is with our forward line. Can't see where our scores are going to come from. Donaghy is untested at this level and McCurry might be on form today but if the chips are down who is going to step up for Tyrone today.

Hope I'm  wrong in all these points but should have enough to bate Cavan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on July 10, 2021, 09:45:42 AM
Surely some changes before throw in. Can't see frank burns not starting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dire Ear on July 10, 2021, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: Twobounces on July 10, 2021, 09:45:27 AM
Looking at Tyrone team for today and I hope I'm wrong but underwhelmed by it. Defence it is what it is, no real man markers for us.

Midfield we lack ball winners and a big ask of Kilpatrick today. Tyrone in general have been weak in this area.

Main issue is with our forward line. Can't see where our scores are going to come from. Donaghy is untested at this level and McCurry might be on form today but if the chips are down who is going to step up for Tyrone today.

Hope I'm  wrong in all these points but should have enough to bate Cavan
Absolutely, a lot of questions about that team,  and the subs
Really hope I'm wrong but that's looking for trouble
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on July 10, 2021, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on July 10, 2021, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 10, 2021, 01:21:11 AM
Quote from: GlenMan on July 09, 2021, 11:29:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 09, 2021, 10:15:19 PM
U20s poor tonight, still could have won but those 3/4 wides in a row in last 10 mins were a killer.

Management poor again. Team that finished the game was much stronger than the starting 15. Left out several players that should surely have been starting.

Left out players who weren't even in the squad. No way under any circumstances is that the strongest U20 first 15 in Tyrone - absolutely not. Players are not our problem - management is!!!!!
Fourth Team in a row Paul Devlin has underachieved with. Change of management wouldn't do any harm.
You had some players drinking flat out in the weekends upto the game, then you had the bonding trip a few weeks back which was another embarrassing episode. You really think Paul Devlin doesn't know who the best 15 players are. It's seems to me by the time a lot of these lads reach u20 level there heads are up there own holes.
A few starters were genuinely injured or carrying an injury so it was always gone be tough against a well organised Donegal team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 10, 2021, 05:04:45 PM
How good has McCurry been here? He is taking that Cavan defense to the cleaners. Need to keep pumping in the ball to him.

On the other hand I think we need to think about withdrawing McGeary. He's on a yellow card he's wreckless at the best of times and he's also not played very well this point
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on July 10, 2021, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: phpearse on June 14, 2021, 04:15:49 PM
McGeary leaves everything on the pitch. There are players in that team that you could point the finger at for not putting the effort in but McGeary is not one of them. You could even see in the past few games he has rowed back a bit on the tackles and conceeding scorable fress and he is getting on the score board as well. The lad has his place on merit.

Aye, tried to ride your man like Galileo for his yellow card - horrible attempt of a tackle and had a shot for a point 21 yards out go wide

Agree with last post - get him off, shouldn't even start

Liability
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 05:10:24 PM
Ref is soft enough on cavan was 4 or 5 clear fouls there that should have been given but ignored. Decent game so far. Can't really see tyrone going far this year though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 10, 2021, 06:32:44 PM
Ronan be big miss next week.Took shine of an impressive performance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone11234 on July 10, 2021, 06:46:13 PM
Should win the appeal
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moonshine on July 10, 2021, 07:04:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone11234 on July 10, 2021, 06:46:13 PM
Should win the appeal

Can't lift your hand in any shape or form. Can't see it being lifted, liability when it comes to handbags always does something stupid. Another poor performance from donaghy. More space in a club game to shine. Bottled up to easy and often shoots from stupid angles which proves costly at this level. Major positive is how good mc curry is shaping up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: Moonshine on July 10, 2021, 07:04:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrone11234 on July 10, 2021, 06:46:13 PM
Should win the appeal

Can't lift your hand in any shape or form. Can't see it being lifted, liability when it comes to handbags always does something stupid. Another poor performance from donaghy. More space in a club game to shine. Bottled up to easy and often shoots from stupid angles which proves costly at this level. Major positive is how good mc curry is shaping up.

I agree donaghy is finding out the hard way the difference between club and county football although it's only his first handful of games. He would have benefit from mckenna Cup games and a few more league games had this been a normal year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 07:48:42 PM
I did have a chuckle when Jim mcguinness got stuck in talking about tyrone players considering some of the antics his Donegal team got up to.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 10, 2021, 09:12:35 PM
Dazzler and Conn Kilpatrick the big pluses today as well as return of McShane. Mckernan, sludden and mccann deserve praise also, lads that's form hasn't been great previously.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 10, 2021, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 10, 2021, 09:12:35 PM
Dazzler and Conn Kilpatrick the big pluses today as well as return of McShane. Mckernan, sludden and mccann deserve praise also, lads that's form hasn't been great previously.

I'd throw big Kennedy's second half performance into that mix too. If we can get a tune out of two big lads like him and Kilpatrick at midfield it would be a huge bonus. Maybe enable us to get Matty Donnelly in closer to goal. Himself, McShane and McCurry on that form would be a handful for anyone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 10, 2021, 10:45:06 PM
Very comfortable today. Professional job. Have more hope coming into a potential Donegal clash than I would have been three weeks ago. Well done all involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 10, 2021, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on July 10, 2021, 10:45:06 PM
Very comfortable today. Professional job. Have more hope coming into a potential Donegal clash than I would have been three weeks ago. Well done all involved.
+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 11:37:06 PM
Watching the game again there. Mccurry got taken out just before the tyrone goal on the 41st min after he got rid of the ball. How anyone can say a push in the face is more dangerous than an off the ball shoulder from behind is beyond me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 11, 2021, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 11:37:06 PM
Watching the game again there. Mccurry got taken out just before the tyrone goal on the 41st min after he got rid of the ball. How anyone can say a push in the face is more dangerous than an off the ball shoulder from behind is beyond me
It was slightly soft red card, but stupid by McNamee. Can 100% see why they gave a red card. And wouldn't have too many complaints tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on July 11, 2021, 12:55:28 AM
Thought hampsey looked more like him old self in there and Michael O'Neill worth a mention. Tougher tests ahead but good win
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on July 11, 2021, 09:48:11 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 10, 2021, 11:37:06 PM
Watching the game again there. Mccurry got taken out just before the tyrone goal on the 41st min after he got rid of the ball. How anyone can say a push in the face is more dangerous than an off the ball shoulder from behind is beyond me

Raise it with Congress. As the rules stand today, McNamees is a red card.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 11, 2021, 09:56:29 AM
Much improved performance from Tyrone. No goals conceded, midfield much better, MC Shane back. Plenty of positives but will be a huge step up next day if it Donegal. Wonder would Derry do us a favour?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 11, 2021, 02:05:39 PM
No Red Card imo.Be overturned surely it was a mild clip.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on July 11, 2021, 03:23:13 PM
To strike or attempt to strike unless it is a mild clip!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 12, 2021, 08:19:14 AM
Interesting weekend of sport lads.
Derry really impressive and almost pulled off a shock. Were Donegal poor or do we see chunks on their defence. Derry seem to open them up loads for goal chances and had they taken one they could have won.
Best half time Entertainment I've ever seen as McConville's, McHugh and Harte really have a go at each other. Sidebottom letting them at it. 😂

Anyway, Tyrone came good v Cavan or were they just piss poor? For 25 mins Cavan gave as good as they got and I for one was a tad worried. Again our kickout strategy seemed totally random and I was just waiting for a short one to go wrong like so often before. In fairness Morgan played well but I really hate the way we are still making it so easy for other teams to restart and gain possession so easily. We rarely push up and man mark everyone. Saying that our midfield did well for large parts of the game with Kilpatrick showing well in the first half and Kennedy well in the second. It would be amazing if both could kick on and nail down their places for the future, whether for one more week or the summer.
McCurry was on fire 🔥 and was even winning dirty ball and scoring for fun. Almost Canavanesque at times with dummy bounces and jinxes. 😂
Sludden played well and looks to be getting back to his old self a bit. Donaghy found it tough going and often trying to do too much but it was his USFC debut so we'll cut him some slack.
McGeary, after a good NFL few games he went and undid all his good work with one crazy rugby style tackle and was walking a tight rope.
The defence played well for the most part with McKiernan impressing me quite a lot as I have often slated him in the past for losing his man and giving up goal chances.
McNamee played well until his macho ego caused him to react to some handbags from Cavan no 9.
How the umpire so far away could see what happened will hopefully cause it to be rescinded but he did raise his hands and push his face quite hard so we'll see. Hopefully the CCCC previous dislike for how we appeal a lot of suspensions won't affect their decision. 😉

All in all a good day at the office against the reigning champions and very potential banana skin. With Derry showing us Donegal aren't that far ahead of us all after all, so I approach this week with a lot of hope and optimism.
McShane looked a little slow I thought but suppose that's to be expected. I wonder will he and Murphy be held in reserve. I'd like to see Mattie up top with Dazza next week.

Would it be hard to get tickets?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: MC on July 12, 2021, 09:14:20 AM
Difficult to come to any conclusions on the Cavan game - they certainly didn't manage to raise the intensity to anywhere near where they were last year - and they fell away as the game went on - probably would have been more only for the sending off. I thought it was a harsh red but it possibly looks worse than it was from the view of the umpires or linesmen. Daft reaction but I did wonder what was going on or said to cause the reaction - Mc Namee is a very experienced player and should be able to laugh off a lot of nonsense.

Shame for Derry - they played great but you always sensed Donegal had a little bit extra to win.

I feel next week is still too early for Mc Shane and it's going to take big performances from the rest of the team and a few extra answers from management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on July 12, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Has there been any updates on Conor McKenna?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 12, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
Tyrone are likely to seek a personal hearing for full-back Ronan McNamee early this week in a bid to get his red card overturned ahead of Sunday's Ulster semi-final.

McNamee was sent off by David Gough 55 minutes into Tyrone's win over outgoing champions Cavan in Healy Park on Saturday for lifting his hands into the face of Conor Brady, seconds after another skirmish had led to McNamee's fellow defender Michael McKerrnan picking up a yellow.

Before becoming Tyrone joint-manager, Omagh-based solicitor Feargal Logan used to represent Tyrone and countless other clubs and counties in their disciplinary issues with the Central Hearings Committee, Central Appeals Committee, and the Disputes Resolution Authority.

If he's not careful he could find himself double-jobbing this week.

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Tyrone end Cavan's reign as Ulster champions with statement win
"Well if we can find some man who knows anything about the GAA rulebook we might have a look at it! Seriously, I haven't seen it yet really so I need to look at it. It needs to be judged on its own merits.

"We will see how this week goes, there are channels within the Association to deal with this quickly and expeditiously.

"We have a tight week here so maybe the earlier in the week we get that on, the better. We will look at it and study it.

"Nowadays there are plenty of angles so we will see exactly what happened and I am sure he will get the benefit of all the fair play that is in Croke Park."

Tyrone came into the Ulster championship with many question marks hanging over them after that six-goal mauling by Kerry in the Division One semi-finals.

Logan admitted they had been "laid bare" in Killarney. Part of that can be explained by the fact Tyrone adhered strictly to the Covid-19 training protocols and had no collective training done prior to the league.


Since Killarney, there was rising confidence within the camp that their first proper bank of training would translate into a strong performance in Omagh.

"Everyone saw us exposed the last day out and we were sitting ducks a bit coming into this because Cavan were being talked down as well after their own league campaign," Logan admitted. "You always scrutinise yourself most of all in defeats and it was a fairly graphic one.

"Everyone went back to base level and stripped away any thoughts we had.

"The most important thing we had was time, because we had four weeks training together, which we had never had. Before that, it was just league games every week.

"We knew things were going well but were afraid to say it too loud in case the whole thing backfired again.

"We were working hard, we worked our socks off on the training field and I'm just glad some of that showed up today."

The sides were level five times in the first half and after 25 minutes Cavan led for the first and only time in the game at 0-7 to 0-6.

As the game wore on, Tyrone grew in confidence. They kicked 1-6 without reply either side of half time with Brian Kennedy's goal squeezed home at the near post after 40 minutes the signal for them to push on and close it out.

Logan described Darren McCurry as "the consummate professional" after his brilliant 10-point haul. And the return of Cathal McShane, who came on and kicked 0-3 in his first appearance since suffering an ankle injury in February 2020, was even more pleasing.

"Cathal had a long lonely trek for a year and a half," added Logan. "He was edging to go even back in the league time but he did well today and got a few points and great for him, in particular, to be back on board after such a horrific injury."
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: inroundthesquare on July 12, 2021, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 12, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Has there been any updates on Conor McKenna?

Dooher said "Conor had an injury the last couple of weeks, looking at the long term picture with him to get him right but hoping he will be there or thereabouts for next week"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 14, 2021, 06:55:43 AM
Any changes for Weekend?

Sounds like McKenna will be available.
What about the CHB issue? Will Burns start here?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: kickitin on July 14, 2021, 12:29:09 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 12, 2021, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 12, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Has there been any updates on Conor McKenna?

Dooher said "Conor had an injury the last couple of weeks, looking at the long term picture with him to get him right but hoping he will be there or thereabouts for next week"

im sure I can't be the only one who heard McKenna, along with Munroe, were both dropped from the panel due to fighting in training. I myself would believe there's something to that story as there's no reason why Munroe wouldn't of been on the panel. Heard this story a few times from a few different sources, i'll be surprised if others haven't heard it. Munroe also said to be drinking on Friday night in Sally O'Briens so thought he might have been dropped off the panel altogether but seen him in the stand on Saturday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: toby47 on July 14, 2021, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: kickitin on July 14, 2021, 12:29:09 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 12, 2021, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 12, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Has there been any updates on Conor McKenna?

Dooher said "Conor had an injury the last couple of weeks, looking at the long term picture with him to get him right but hoping he will be there or thereabouts for next week"

im sure I can't be the only one who heard McKenna, along with Munroe, were both dropped from the panel due to fighting in training. I myself would believe there's something to that story as there's no reason why Munroe wouldn't of been on the panel. Heard this story a few times from a few different sources, i'll be surprised if others haven't heard it. Munroe also said to be drinking on Friday night in Sally O'Briens so thought he might have been dropped off the panel altogether but seen him in the stand on Saturday

Would be madness dropping two players a week before championship for fighting.

Players fighting a week out would be encouraging i'd have thought
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on July 14, 2021, 12:54:02 PM
Wouldnt be many left in Art Mc Crorys time he encouraged full on physicallity in training didnt do a bit of harm.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: kickitin on July 14, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on July 14, 2021, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: kickitin on July 14, 2021, 12:29:09 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 12, 2021, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 12, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Has there been any updates on Conor McKenna?

Dooher said "Conor had an injury the last couple of weeks, looking at the long term picture with him to get him right but hoping he will be there or thereabouts for next week"

im sure I can't be the only one who heard McKenna, along with Munroe, were both dropped from the panel due to fighting in training. I myself would believe there's something to that story as there's no reason why Munroe wouldn't of been on the panel. Heard this story a few times from a few different sources, i'll be surprised if others haven't heard it. Munroe also said to be drinking on Friday night in Sally O'Briens so thought he might have been dropped off the panel altogether but seen him in the stand on Saturday
Christ Almighty, the shite you get in WhatsApp groups

has anyone heard where mckenna actually injured his "toe"? has anyone any idea why Munroe wasn't on the panel on Saturday past when he played quite a few league games? people saying now McKenna will be on the team this Sunday, how did he go from missing out on the panel altogether with a "severely injured" toe to making the team 8 days later? surely a full weeks training would have been required at least? be interesting to see if he makes the panel this week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 14, 2021, 10:23:19 PM
2400 allowed in on Sunday...wonder how many tickets will be given to clubs?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on July 14, 2021, 11:48:37 PM
Does anyone know how the venue decision is made for semi final and finals etc? brewster makes no sense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 15, 2021, 01:20:27 AM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on July 14, 2021, 11:48:37 PM
Does anyone know how the venue decision is made for semi final and finals etc? brewster makes no sense

I'd say priority is 6 County grounds, so it was there or Celtic Park I'd guess.
With CV cases very high in Derry, it may have been decided to keep out of there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 15, 2021, 09:40:41 PM
Very important to have McNamee available this weekend, will be him or Hampsey on McBrearty (and Murphy when he comes on). Would Rory Brennan be a good match up on Jamie Brennan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: southtyronegael on July 15, 2021, 10:37:29 PM
MC namee cleared apparently.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 16, 2021, 06:33:39 AM
Looking for tickets if anyone has any spare?
Coming up from Dublin.
Jay$u$ I'd be delighted if we see McShane, McKenna and Dazza up top for this game.

Jamie Brennan needs to be kept quiet in this game as he always seems do well against us.
I'd be happy to see Mattie play further forward and get more action.
Besides that big win in the super 8s in BB a few years back, Donegal have had our number for a while now and don't fear us like in the olden days.
We need to start addressing that mentality.
Could be another long summer of club football after Sunday with the underage teams all over too
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NotedObserver on July 16, 2021, 10:58:23 AM
Assume Tyrone will line up the same? Kennedy second half and Cathal McShane introduction will give them something to think about.

Donaghy maybe get another chance following his league performance against Donegal.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 16, 2021, 11:07:22 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on July 16, 2021, 10:58:23 AM
Assume Tyrone will line up the same? Kennedy second half and Cathal McShane introduction will give them something to think about.

Donaghy maybe get another chance following his league performance against Donegal.
Kennedy will surely have to start ahead of Richie Donnelly.
Donaghy also surely has to go if either McKenna or McShane are fit to go from the start.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:28:29 PM
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on July 16, 2021, 11:07:22 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on July 16, 2021, 10:58:23 AM
    Assume Tyrone will line up the same? Kennedy second half and Cathal McShane introduction will give them something to think about.

    Donaghy maybe get another chance following his league performance against Donegal.
    Kennedy will surely have to start ahead of Richie Donnelly.
    Donaghy also surely has to go if either McKenna or McShane are fit to go from the start.

    Kennedy must be included however I would move Richie in to full forward. On his day he can do damage.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 16, 2021, 10:14:30 PM
    Not a fan of this new policy of naming the team and squad so late in the day

    Didn't realise the enjoyment and anticipation I got, from team and squad news, and debate that inevitably followed

    Even if they were dummy teams half the time, it was 90 per cent of the line up confirmed and the 26 man match day panel
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 16, 2021, 10:47:38 PM
    Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2021, 10:14:30 PM
    Not a fan of this new policy of naming the team and squad so late in the day

    Didn't realise the enjoyment and anticipation I got, from team and squad news, and debate that inevitably followed

    Even if they were dummy teams half the time, it was 90 per cent of the line up confirmed and the 26 man match day panel

    Heard the players don't know who is on the 26 yet. Management were afraid that some panel members would opt to play for clubs
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on July 17, 2021, 12:44:20 PM
    mckenna number 15. an absolute miracle recovery from this toe injury that never happened
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on July 17, 2021, 12:59:01 PM
    Tyrone (SF v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Rory Brennan, Padraig Hampsey (captain); Niall Sludden, Michael O'Neill, Peter Harte; Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick; Kieran McGeary, Richard Donnelly, Conor Meyler; Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McKenna.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on July 17, 2021, 01:19:10 PM
    Quote from: Dire Ear on July 17, 2021, 12:59:01 PM
    Tyrone (SF v Donegal): Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Rory Brennan, Padraig Hampsey (captain); Niall Sludden, Michael O'Neill, Peter Harte; Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick; Kieran McGeary, Richard Donnelly, Conor Meyler; Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McKenna.

    McNamee to come in for Sludden or Richie I'd guess
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 17, 2021, 02:24:19 PM
    A nice look to the panel tomorrow, and barring the injury to Darragh, we are close to full strength.
    A bit more height and physicality on show than we've become accustomed to. Which could be especially useful tomorrow
    You'd expect this to be very close, and discipline could decide it. Hopefully we get the balance right of aggression but not concede so many scorable frees and Needless bookings
    Think we need at least 1 goal, donegal have been conceding goal chances this year, but we wouldn't be the most efficient at converting them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on July 17, 2021, 03:25:20 PM
    Poor tackling is def a problem;  could be the difference :-\
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on July 18, 2021, 02:08:05 PM
    Frank Burns giving an absolute terrible free away. Lazy. Lots of good work done then just pushes the man over.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on July 18, 2021, 02:35:01 PM
    McGeary having a stormer. Always rated him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 18, 2021, 02:47:44 PM
    I slated McGeary last week, didn't think he warranted a place in the starting 15. Today I am happy to retract that statement he has been on it. Would be nice to get more consistency but great half.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 18, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
    Tyrone should be out of sight at this stage. Donegal will pip this if tyrone don't focus
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on July 18, 2021, 03:37:20 PM
    Tyrone for Sam
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on July 18, 2021, 03:54:13 PM
    Huge win for Tyrone! Should improve a bit more with canavan hopefully in with a chance next day. Well done players and management. Bright days ahead for Tyrone;
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on July 18, 2021, 04:00:52 PM
    When's the all ireland final? Looking at hotels here.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 18, 2021, 05:18:52 PM
    Great win. Thought we were poor at dealing with direct runners through the middle. Mcgee and Murphy going off massive.
    As everyone thought mckenna looks to suit the midfield role better than inside forward line.
    Mccann been great off bench.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 18, 2021, 06:24:06 PM
    It's been good to see the likes of Sludden, McCann and McCurry do so well of late. They had seemed to be a bit off the boil for the last few seasons.

    I think Meyler was great aswell, like McGeary did a whole lot of work. I think his 'technical' ability is also massively underrated by many.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on July 18, 2021, 10:02:38 PM
    That was a pleasant enough performance.

    Big games from Meyler and McGeary. Meyler did a bucketload of good work. Mattie took the bull by horns second half and settled the side as well as attacking the final whistle at a time when Tyrone were dangerously coasting.

    McKenna had a dodgy first five minutes when he came on but I think he was trying too much to do something special. He settled and was possibly our best player in the last 10 minutes.

    The two midfield lads put in a decent shift against a very strong midfield.

    All in all, that was refreshing.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 18, 2021, 10:06:46 PM
    Sludden performance seems to be getting overlooked. 3 points from play also.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 18, 2021, 10:16:52 PM
    I named a team a few weeks back and felt 2nr Donnelly's in midfield were the best options. How things have changed quickly and it was great to see 2 big mobile men in the middle of the park and freeing up Mattie D.

    Monaghan will be provide a challenge and the 4 quick fire goals against Armagh will be a warning sign for Tyrone
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on July 18, 2021, 10:36:24 PM
    Forward line is firing rightly. Any chance we go really attacking against Monaghan with Mcshane, McCurry, Donnelly all starting in full forward line?  Midfield 2 are must starts and with Sludden, Harte, Mcgeary, Meyler and McKenna as runners who can chip in with scored we could be dangerous.

    That would leave full back line a bit exposed as we probably need O'Neill plus one to protect Brennan, Hampsey and McNamee.

    Good selection headaches but I think the management have a better idea of starting 15 than after the league. Plenty of options off the bench too.

    One last word I feel bad for Donaghy who scored 10 v Donegal in league but didn't get a look in today. I hope he gets another chance but seems to be fairly down the pecking order now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on July 18, 2021, 11:00:59 PM
    I thought Conn Kilpatrick had a decent game against good opposition today- unlucky to be subbed off imo
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on July 18, 2021, 11:12:46 PM
    Any chance Ulster Final being in Croke park?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on July 18, 2021, 11:16:33 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on July 18, 2021, 11:00:59 PM
    I thought Conn Kilpatrick had a decent game against good opposition today- unlucky to be subbed off imo

    Think he was busted, as many were.

    Sorry, yes - Sludden was very effective. Pointed in small pockets of freedom where many others would have recycled.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2021, 11:34:50 PM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 18, 2021, 11:12:46 PM
    Any chance Ulster Final being in Croke park?

    Yes, every chance, apparently, @1600 on August 1st.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on July 18, 2021, 11:38:43 PM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2021, 11:34:50 PM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 18, 2021, 11:12:46 PM
    Any chance Ulster Final being in Croke park?

    Yes, every chance, apparently, @1600 on August 1st.
    Leinster final that day? Maybe they will change that to southern bank holiday Monday hurling finals scheduled for Saturday in Croke Park
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on July 18, 2021, 11:56:40 PM
    Was at the game and watched it back there, feck McQuillan had a brutal day. Majority of big decisions wrong and gave some ridiculously soft frees at the end, Frank Burns deadly shoulder being the worst.

    Very happy overall and can't pick any player who was off form. Lots of headaches for management in the Monaghan game but a great place to be. Lastly, McKenna has to play out the field from now on, he speed was savage there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2021, 12:15:59 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 18, 2021, 11:38:43 PM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2021, 11:34:50 PM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 18, 2021, 11:12:46 PM
    Any chance Ulster Final being in Croke park?

    Yes, every chance, apparently, @1600 on August 1st.
    Leinster final that day? Maybe they will change that to southern bank holiday Monday hurling finals scheduled for Saturday in Croke Park

    Dublin vs Kildare at 13:30, & Monaghan vs Tyrone at 1600, on Sunday 1st August -- doable.

    Check: https://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-results/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 06:31:26 AM
    Both midfielders done well yesterday but both were gassed at the time of being replaced.
    Being subbed off when your race is ran is no bad thing.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2021, 10:27:23 AM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2021, 12:15:59 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 18, 2021, 11:38:43 PM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2021, 11:34:50 PM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 18, 2021, 11:12:46 PM
    Any chance Ulster Final being in Croke park?

    Yes, every chance, apparently, @1600 on August 1st.
    Leinster final that day? Maybe they will change that to southern bank holiday Monday hurling finals scheduled for Saturday in Croke Park

    Dublin vs Kildare at 13:30, & Monaghan vs Tyrone at 1600, on Sunday 1st August -- doable.

    Check: https://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-results/

    Though with crowd restrictions they may not be able to do a double-header, so perhaps will move Dublin-Kildare to Monday 2nd (public holiday down south).
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 06:31:26 AM
    Both midfielders done well yesterday but both were gassed at the time of being replaced.
    Being subbed off when your race is ran is no bad thing.

    Agreed. Tyrone still missing a solid midfield player to come on and solidify the midfield off the bench. A Decky McClure type of player who can attack and defend and is reliable on the ball
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on July 19, 2021, 10:55:32 AM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 06:31:26 AM
    Both midfielders done well yesterday but both were gassed at the time of being replaced.
    Being subbed off when your race is ran is no bad thing.

    Agreed. Tyrone still missing a solid midfield player to come on and solidify the midfield off the bench. A Decky McClure type of player who can attack and defend and is reliable on the ball

    Tyrone are missing many things, but don't think Decky McClure is one of them. Very solid club player but hasn't delivered at county level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 19, 2021, 10:55:32 AM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 06:31:26 AM
    Both midfielders done well yesterday but both were gassed at the time of being replaced.
    Being subbed off when your race is ran is no bad thing.

    Agreed. Tyrone still missing a solid midfield player to come on and solidify the midfield off the bench. A Decky McClure type of player who can attack and defend and is reliable on the ball

    Tyrone are missing many things, but don't think Decky McClure is one of them. Very solid club player but hasn't delivered at county level.

    Had a good run with them a while back and managing to squeeze into a starting place in midfield in the very competitive Tyrone squad at the minute. However, I would agree he isnt everybodys cup of tea.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 19, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 19, 2021, 10:55:32 AM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 06:31:26 AM
    Both midfielders done well yesterday but both were gassed at the time of being replaced.
    Being subbed off when your race is ran is no bad thing.

    Agreed. Tyrone still missing a solid midfield player to come on and solidify the midfield off the bench. A Decky McClure type of player who can attack and defend and is reliable on the ball

    Tyrone are missing many things, but don't think Decky McClure is one of them. Very solid club player but hasn't delivered at county level.

    Had a good run with them a while back and managing to squeeze into a starting place in midfield in the very competitive Tyrone squad at the minute. However, I would agree he isnt everybodys cup of tea.

    What are you talking about? When did Decky McClure have a good run with Tyrone? No idea what you mean about him managing to squeeze into a starting place.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 02:38:23 PM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 19, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 19, 2021, 10:55:32 AM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 06:31:26 AM
    Both midfielders done well yesterday but both were gassed at the time of being replaced.
    Being subbed off when your race is ran is no bad thing.

    Agreed. Tyrone still missing a solid midfield player to come on and solidify the midfield off the bench. A Decky McClure type of player who can attack and defend and is reliable on the ball

    Tyrone are missing many things, but don't think Decky McClure is one of them. Very solid club player but hasn't delivered at county level.

    Had a good run with them a while back and managing to squeeze into a starting place in midfield in the very competitive Tyrone squad at the minute. However, I would agree he isnt everybodys cup of tea.

    What are you talking about? When did Decky McClure have a good run with Tyrone? No idea what you mean about him managing to squeeze into a starting place.

    https://www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/armagh-tyrone/1949703/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 19, 2021, 03:03:04 PM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 02:38:23 PM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 19, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 19, 2021, 10:55:32 AM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 06:31:26 AM
    Both midfielders done well yesterday but both were gassed at the time of being replaced.
    Being subbed off when your race is ran is no bad thing.

    Agreed. Tyrone still missing a solid midfield player to come on and solidify the midfield off the bench. A Decky McClure type of player who can attack and defend and is reliable on the ball

    Tyrone are missing many things, but don't think Decky McClure is one of them. Very solid club player but hasn't delivered at county level.

    Had a good run with them a while back and managing to squeeze into a starting place in midfield in the very competitive Tyrone squad at the minute. However, I would agree he isnt everybodys cup of tea.

    What are you talking about? When did Decky McClure have a good run with Tyrone? No idea what you mean about him managing to squeeze into a starting place.

    https://www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/armagh-tyrone/1949703/

    Yes the game where he was subbed off before half time and then left the panel a few days later
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 03:09:37 PM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 19, 2021, 03:03:04 PM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 02:38:23 PM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 19, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 19, 2021, 10:55:32 AM
    Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 06:31:26 AM
    Both midfielders done well yesterday but both were gassed at the time of being replaced.
    Being subbed off when your race is ran is no bad thing.

    Agreed. Tyrone still missing a solid midfield player to come on and solidify the midfield off the bench. A Decky McClure type of player who can attack and defend and is reliable on the ball

    Tyrone are missing many things, but don't think Decky McClure is one of them. Very solid club player but hasn't delivered at county level.

    Had a good run with them a while back and managing to squeeze into a starting place in midfield in the very competitive Tyrone squad at the minute. However, I would agree he isnt everybodys cup of tea.

    What are you talking about? When did Decky McClure have a good run with Tyrone? No idea what you mean about him managing to squeeze into a starting place.

    https://www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/armagh-tyrone/1949703/

    Yes the game where he was subbed off before half time and then left the panel a few days later

    Not the point I was making - on the day he didn't show up but he obviously was good enough to warrant a start in such a competitive Tyrone side. He was also used heavily by Mickey Harte in their 2018 campaign were they reached the AI Final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 03:13:23 PM
    Only thing that would worry me is that Donegal got joy from men carrying the ball from midfield and beyond straight through the heart of our defence, midfielders, CHB and sweeper not putting a hand on them.
    Monaghan have two electric WHB and Darren Hughes that could exploit this.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on July 19, 2021, 03:19:25 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 03:13:23 PM
    Only thing that would worry me is that Donegal got joy from men carrying the ball from midfield and beyond straight through the heart of our defence, midfielders, CHB and sweeper not putting a hand on them.
    Monaghan have two electric WHB and Darren Hughes that could exploit this.

    I'd like to think McGeary and especially Meyler would do a job putting the shackles on those lads. But I agree once the opposition get a run on us we do look vulnerable to goals and black/yellow/red cards
    - I don't know what's what with these anymore.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 03:21:32 PM
    Quote from: BennyHarp on July 19, 2021, 03:19:25 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 03:13:23 PM
    Only thing that would worry me is that Donegal got joy from men carrying the ball from midfield and beyond straight through the heart of our defence, midfielders, CHB and sweeper not putting a hand on them.
    Monaghan have two electric WHB and Darren Hughes that could exploit this.

    I'd like to think McGeary and especially Meyler would do a job putting the shackles on those lads. But I agree once the opposition get a run on us we do look vulnerable to goals and black/yellow/red cards
    - I don't know what's what with these anymore.

    Did all these pomeroy men give up drugs recently or what? Bound to catch up to them in the later stages of the championsip
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 19, 2021, 03:22:56 PM
    Quote from: BennyHarp on July 19, 2021, 03:19:25 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 19, 2021, 03:13:23 PM
    Only thing that would worry me is that Donegal got joy from men carrying the ball from midfield and beyond straight through the heart of our defence, midfielders, CHB and sweeper not putting a hand on them.
    Monaghan have two electric WHB and Darren Hughes that could exploit this.

    I'd like to think McGeary and especially Meyler would do a job putting the shackles on those lads. But I agree once the opposition get a run on us we do look vulnerable to goals and black/yellow/red cards
    - I don't know what's what with these anymore.

    McKenna a serious option but will he get a place?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
    Did Richie tog out yesterday?  I wonder how far away he is. He was having a really good game against Cavan before going off.

    You'd have to find a place on the 15 for McKenna. Anywhere from 5 to 12

    Looks likely that Darragh Canavan will be available. Serious plus.

    McShane could really do with 60mins under his belt with the club. The man needs game time

    Brilliant to see Sludden and McCann resurgence. I'd written both off in my mind.

    Still a concern at centre half back. Has been evident in each of the games this year

    Still plenty of options for the management team to consider, and our bench should be pretty loaded for the next day
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 19, 2021, 04:37:18 PM
    Quote from: God14 on July 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
    Did Richie tog out yesterday?  I wonder how far away he is. He was having a really good game against Cavan before going off.

    You'd have to find a place on the 15 for McKenna. Anywhere from 5 to 12

    Looks likely that Darragh Canavan will be available. Serious plus.

    McShane could really do with 60mins under his belt with the club. The man needs game time

    Brilliant to see Sludden and McCann resurgence. I'd written both off in my mind.

    Still a concern at centre half back. Has been evident in each of the games this year

    Still plenty of options for the management team to consider, and our bench should be pretty loaded for the next day

    This statement just highlights your poor insight and footballing sentiment
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on July 19, 2021, 05:35:58 PM
    Quote from: God14 on July 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
    Did Richie tog out yesterday?  I wonder how far away he is. He was having a really good game against Cavan before going off.

    You'd have to find a place on the 15 for McKenna. Anywhere from 5 to 12

    Looks likely that Darragh Canavan will be available. Serious plus.

    McShane could really do with 60mins under his belt with the club. The man needs game time

    Brilliant to see Sludden and McCann resurgence. I'd written both off in my mind.

    Still a concern at centre half back. Has been evident in each of the games this year

    Still plenty of options for the management team to consider, and our bench should be pretty loaded for the next day
    Ritchie was togged out,  not sure of where I'd play him tbh.
    McKenna for Chb, in my opinion,  controversial I know 8)
    Canavan and McShane both fine subs to have,  although you'd like McShane to be closer to starting.  Agree on Sludden and McCann
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on July 19, 2021, 05:47:12 PM
    Richie was doing lengths of the training pitch for a good half hour at least after the game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on July 19, 2021, 10:09:05 PM
    Quote from: God14 on July 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
    Did Richie tog out yesterday?  I wonder how far away he is. He was having a really good game against Cavan before going off.

    You'd have to find a place on the 15 for McKenna. Anywhere from 5 to 12

    Looks likely that Darragh : Canavan will be available. Serious plus.

    McShane could really do with 60mins under his belt with the club. The man needs game time

    Brilliant to see Sludden and McCann resurgence. I'd written both off in my mind.

    Still a concern at centre half back. Has been evident in each of the games this year

    Still plenty of options for the management team to consider, and our bench should be pretty loaded for the next day
    I was not too confident in Burns positioning yesterday. He always seemed to move to close out the danger very late, his big shoulder on the edge of the box a prime example. A lot of the Donegal attacks could have been turned out much earlier with better positioning.
    Harder to judge ONeills ability to perform the role as he did a marking  go job against Cavan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 20, 2021, 07:59:11 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 19, 2021, 10:09:05 PM
    Quote from: God14 on July 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
    Did Richie tog out yesterday?  I wonder how far away he is. He was having a really good game against Cavan before going off.

    You'd have to find a place on the 15 for McKenna. Anywhere from 5 to 12

    Looks likely that Darragh : Canavan will be available. Serious plus.

    McShane could really do with 60mins under his belt with the club. The man needs game time

    Brilliant to see Sludden and McCann resurgence. I'd written both off in my mind.

    Still a concern at centre half back. Has been evident in each of the games this year

    Still plenty of options for the management team to consider, and our bench should be pretty loaded for the next day
    I was not too confident in Burns positioning yesterday. He always seemed to move to close out the danger very late, his big shoulder on the edge of the box a prime example. A lot of the Donegal attacks could have been turned out much earlier with better positioning.
    Harder to judge ONeills ability to perform the role as he did a marking  go job against Cavan.

    Burns was all over the shop yesterday due to poor timing of runs. Looks like he may be a bit rusty, probably from mcgearys bar in pomeroy with the same name.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on July 20, 2021, 09:32:15 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 19, 2021, 10:09:05 PM
    Quote from: God14 on July 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
    Did Richie tog out yesterday?  I wonder how far away he is. He was having a really good game against Cavan before going off.

    You'd have to find a place on the 15 for McKenna. Anywhere from 5 to 12

    Looks likely that Darragh : Canavan will be available. Serious plus.

    McShane could really do with 60mins under his belt with the club. The man needs game time

    Brilliant to see Sludden and McCann resurgence. I'd written both off in my mind.

    Still a concern at centre half back. Has been evident in each of the games this year

    Still plenty of options for the management team to consider, and our bench should be pretty loaded for the next day
    I was not too confident in Burns positioning yesterday. He always seemed to move to close out the danger very late, his big shoulder on the edge of the box a prime example. A lot of the Donegal attacks could have been turned out much earlier with better positioning.
    Harder to judge ONeills ability to perform the role as he did a marking  go job against Cavan.

    He did prevent a tap in goal at a crucial moment though.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on July 20, 2021, 10:58:32 AM
    With Midfield issues appearing to improve, CHB is our main area of concern. If we can get mode solidity in there we've a great chance of having a good AI run.

    BTW, g'wan feck off Angaelgearmanach with your shite.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 20, 2021, 11:14:14 AM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on July 20, 2021, 10:58:32 AM
    With Midfield issues appearing to improve, CHB is our main area of concern. If we can get mode solidity in there we've a great chance of having a good AI run.

    BTW, g'wan feck off Angaelgearmanach with your shite.

    Centre half back is a real concern i agree. Been a while since we had a reliable 6 tbf. Puadi Hampsey could still do a very good job there i dont undertsand why he was ever moved into 4.

    P.S. what about that young lad grimes is he still blindsiding men in matches?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 20, 2021, 11:29:54 AM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on July 20, 2021, 10:58:32 AM
    With Midfield issues appearing to improve, CHB is our main area of concern. If we can get mode solidity in there we've a great chance of having a good AI run.

    BTW, g'wan feck off Angaelgearmanach with your shite.

    Would actually like to see McKenna come in at Number 6. Burns is back there to pick up the man anyway, if McKenna could break forward at that pace that he showed the other day well GLOT

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 20, 2021, 11:51:22 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 20, 2021, 11:29:54 AM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on July 20, 2021, 10:58:32 AM
    With Midfield issues appearing to improve, CHB is our main area of concern. If we can get mode solidity in there we've a great chance of having a good AI run.

    BTW, g'wan feck off Angaelgearmanach with your shite.

    Would actually like to see McKenna come in at Number 6. Burns is back there to pick up the man anyway, if McKenna could break forward at that pace that he showed the other day well GLOT

    His pace was frightening, glimpses of what is still to come.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on July 20, 2021, 12:08:34 PM
    Is Liam Rafferty injured, still in the panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 20, 2021, 04:14:51 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on July 20, 2021, 12:08:34 PM
    Is Liam Rafferty injured, still in the panel?

    Still on panel. Not injured.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on July 22, 2021, 08:06:01 AM
    Given the last 18 months I'd more than happily pay that to be back in croke park watching Tyrone in an ulster final! It's harsh on families but when you have such a limited capacity it's hard to offer the cheap tickets. Plus I'd say the ulster council are in need of revenue at this point.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 22, 2021, 08:07:04 AM
    Same as that, I'm happy enough to pay that
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on July 22, 2021, 09:43:18 AM
    Cheap at twice the price.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on July 22, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
    I'll pay £30 but if somebody tries taking the samichies out  off my bag then that be different
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 12:09:25 PM
    What's the story for seating then?
    How does it work. Two seats between everyone and a row separating or what?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on July 23, 2021, 12:15:18 PM
    Quote from: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!

    Myself and wife happy enough, my bro in law has 4 kids between 9 and 15 he will be watching on tv I doubt..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on July 23, 2021, 12:40:20 PM
    Quote from: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!

    Very little you can do with a family of 6 for cheap. Trying taking 4 weens to the cinema and see what the damage is.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on July 23, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
    Quote from: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!

    Yawn. Some families over 4 think everything should be free because there is more of them.
    If you can't afford £30 each a ticket you can't afford the price of the Car it would take to transport them all to Dublin, nor the diesel.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GJL on July 23, 2021, 01:43:09 PM
    Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
    Quote from: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!

    Yawn. Some families over 4 think everything should be free because there is more of them.
    If you can't afford £30 each a ticket you can't afford the price of the Car it would take to transport them all to Dublin, nor the diesel.

    And the stupid post of the week award goes to......
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 23, 2021, 03:21:09 PM
    Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
    Quote from: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!

    Yawn. Some families over 4 think everything should be free because there is more of them.
    If you can't afford £30 each a ticket you can't afford the price of the Car it would take to transport them all to Dublin, nor the diesel.

    This should go down well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on July 23, 2021, 04:28:09 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 23, 2021, 12:40:20 PM
    Quote from: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!

    Very little you can do with a family of 6 for cheap. Trying taking 4 weens to the cinema and see what the damage is.

    £35 for pick and mix
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on July 23, 2021, 07:33:11 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 23, 2021, 03:21:09 PM
    Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
    Quote from: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!

    Yawn. Some families over 4 think everything should be free because there is more of them.
    If you can't afford £30 each a ticket you can't afford the price of the Car it would take to transport them all to Dublin, nor the diesel.

    This should go down well.

    Ack for fucks sake did you ever hear such whinging.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 23, 2021, 10:19:58 PM
    Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 07:33:11 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 23, 2021, 03:21:09 PM
    Quote from: trailer on July 23, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
    Quote from: TapOver65 on July 23, 2021, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 22, 2021, 10:18:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 22, 2021, 06:02:45 AM
    35 Euro for an Ulster Final ticket.

    Bargain.

    Tell that to a young family of 5 or 6 plus their day out on top of that!!

    Yawn. Some families over 4 think everything should be free because there is more of them.
    If you can't afford £30 each a ticket you can't afford the price of the Car it would take to transport them all to Dublin, nor the diesel.

    This should go down well.

    Ack for fucks sake did you ever hear such whinging.

    Yeah, I see your posts about Pomeroy players
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Olly on July 23, 2021, 11:49:30 PM
    Quote from: God14 on July 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
    Did Richie tog out yesterday?  I wonder how far away he is. He was having a really good game against Cavan before going off.

    You'd have to find a place on the 15 for McKenna. Anywhere from 5 to 12

    Looks likely that Darragh Canavan will be available. Serious plus.

    McShane could really do with 60mins under his belt with the club. The man needs game time

    Brilliant to see Sludden and McCann resurgence. I'd written both off in my mind.

    Still a concern at centre half back. Has been evident in each of the games this year

    Still plenty of options for the management team to consider, and our bench should be pretty loaded for the next day

    Can empathise with this. I thought that, under Harte, McCann and Sludden were gone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 24, 2021, 07:43:06 AM
    (https://i.ibb.co/93VB45Z/IMG-20210724-WA0001.jpg)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on July 24, 2021, 09:20:08 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 24, 2021, 07:43:06 AM
    (https://i.ibb.co/93VB45Z/IMG-20210724-WA0001.jpg)
    is that the current panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 24, 2021, 12:31:54 PM
    Yeah. One keeper has pulled out since. Photo before cavan game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 24, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
    What's the thoughts on lee Brennan not getting a game or even on bench and Conroy gets a slot. M Cassidy and Liam Rafferty not involved either.

    Why did Conn not get a game until championship?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 24, 2021, 04:13:45 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on July 24, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
    What's the thoughts on lee Brennan not getting a game or even on bench and Conroy gets a slot. M Cassidy and Liam Rafferty not involved either.

    Why did Conn not get a game until championship?
    Lee Brennan tore his hamstring in one of Tyrones challenge games against Cork and Roscommon.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 24, 2021, 04:28:09 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on July 24, 2021, 04:13:45 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on July 24, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
    What's the thoughts on lee Brennan not getting a game or even on bench and Conroy gets a slot. M Cassidy and Liam Rafferty not involved either.

    Why did Conn not get a game until championship?
    Lee Brennan tore his hamstring in one of Tyrones challenge games against Cork and Roscommon.

    Thought he was injured as no boots on for that photo
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 24, 2021, 04:34:28 PM
    He had a sore toe like McKenna
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on July 26, 2021, 07:30:18 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on July 24, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
    What's the thoughts on lee Brennan not getting a game or even on bench and Conroy gets a slot. M Cassidy and Liam Rafferty not involved either.

    Why did Conn not get a game until championship?

    Conn was injured.

    Honestly forgot about Lee Brennan when is he due back?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 26, 2021, 07:50:20 AM
    What are we thinking for the starting line up for Saturday

    1. Morgan
    2. McKernan
    3. McNamee
    4. Hampsey
    5. McCann
    6. Burns
    7. Harte
    8. Conn
    9. Kennedy
    10. Meyler
    11. Sludden
    12. McGeary
    13. McCurry
    14. Donnelly
    15. McKenna

    Brennan and O'Neill to be replaced imo.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on July 26, 2021, 09:13:43 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 26, 2021, 07:50:20 AM
    What are we thinking for the starting line up for Saturday

    1. Morgan
    2. McKernan
    3. McNamee
    4. Hampsey
    5. McCann
    6. Burns
    7. Harte
    8. Conn
    9. Kennedy
    10. Meyler
    11. Sludden
    12. McGeary
    13. McCurry
    14. Donnelly
    15. McKenna

    Brennan and O'Neill to be replaced imo.

    1. Morgan
    2. McKernan
    3. McNamee
    4. Hampsey
    5. Sludden
    6. Burns
    7. Harte
    8. Conn
    9. Kennedy
    10. Meyler
    11. M Donnelly
    12. McGeary
    13. McCurry
    14. R Donnelly
    15. McKenna

    Wouldn't start McCann as he will be more effective as a sub as seen vs Donegal
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on July 26, 2021, 11:36:06 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 26, 2021, 07:50:20 AM
    What are we thinking for the starting line up for Saturday

    1. Morgan
    2. McKernan
    3. McNamee
    4. Hampsey
    5. McCann
    6. Burns
    7. Harte
    8. Conn
    9. Kennedy
    10. Meyler
    11. Sludden
    12. McGeary
    13. McCurry
    14. Donnelly
    15. McKenna

    Brennan and O'Neill to be replaced imo.

    Hard to know what they will do with McCann, he has been very impressive as a sub thus far running hard against tired legs, although he would be similar to the half backs of Monaghan and could cause them damage, if Meyler and McGeary focus on nullyfying the threats of Mcanespie and o connell then we will need players like mc cann to take up the role of ball carrier. Brennan will still start IMO. Very good defender on his day and the management seem to be fans of anyone that was in their u21 squad when winning the all ireland. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 26, 2021, 12:58:34 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 26, 2021, 07:50:20 AM
    What are we thinking for the starting line up for Saturday

    1. Morgan
    2. McKernan
    3. McNamee
    4. Hampsey
    5. McCann
    6. Burns
    7. Harte
    8. Conn
    9. Kennedy
    10. Meyler
    11. Sludden
    12. McGeary
    13. McCurry
    14. Donnelly
    15. McKenna

    Brennan and O'Neill to be replaced imo.
    Rory Brennan simply has to start. No two ways about it. As a defender he's as good as we've got.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 26, 2021, 01:50:41 PM
    Rumours of a few Covid issues within the camp  :-[
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on July 26, 2021, 02:39:32 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 26, 2021, 01:50:41 PM
    Rumours of a few Covid issues within the camp  :-[

    must be a slow day in work..

    source?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on July 26, 2021, 02:42:27 PM
    What Clifford has covid!?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 27, 2021, 08:33:58 AM
    Lot of interest in attending this game. Got a message to say that the county has over subscribed by 15%

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on July 27, 2021, 09:49:46 AM
    Got my tickets this morning.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on July 27, 2021, 12:25:40 PM
    seems the pods of 5 are now pods of 4..anyone looking 5 got 4..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on July 27, 2021, 01:42:01 PM
    Quote from: Onthe40 on July 27, 2021, 12:25:40 PM
    seems the pods of 5 are now pods of 4..anyone looking 5 got 4..
    A.Pick your least favourite child to leave behind?
    B. Tell the wife she is driving home and watch match in a pub near Croke park.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: armaghniac on July 27, 2021, 03:03:11 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 27, 2021, 01:42:01 PM
    B. Tell the wife she is driving home and watch match in a pub near Croke park.

    It doesn't make sense to send the person who is going to be driving to the pub, as the bars aren't open in Croke Park she's be safer there. You could send her down to Henry St to buy the back to school kit.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
    read that when Dooher was asked about fitness of canavan & mcshane that he mentioned johnny munroe is back from injury and it's a big boost, will he get some game time this weekend? feel like him or tee are going to start with the other being an impact sub. either way, mickey o'neills run in the team is done and by god am i glad, offered the bare minimal vs donegal and looked like a lost sheep at times
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 11:39:10 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
    read that when Dooher was asked about fitness of canavan & mcshane that he mentioned johnny munroe is back from injury and it's a big boost, will he get some game time this weekend? feel like him or tee are going to start with the other being an impact sub. either way, mickey o'neills run in the team is done and by god am i glad, offered the bare minimal vs donegal and looked like a lost sheep at times

    Jesus people are harsh on players.
    Michael O'Neill probably posted a few 6/10 performances over the last few games and if others chomping at the bit to get in his place is probably up for grabs but by no means a lost sheep or not warrant of a place on the panel / field
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on July 28, 2021, 11:45:58 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 11:39:10 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
    read that when Dooher was asked about fitness of canavan & mcshane that he mentioned johnny munroe is back from injury and it's a big boost, will he get some game time this weekend? feel like him or tee are going to start with the other being an impact sub. either way, mickey o'neills run in the team is done and by god am i glad, offered the bare minimal vs donegal and looked like a lost sheep at times

    Jesus people are harsh on players.
    Michael O'Neill probably posted a few 6/10 performances over the last few games and if others chomping at the bit to get in his place is probably up for grabs but by no means a lost sheep or not warrant of a place on the panel / field

    It's become a bit of a trait on here with some posters who really want to drive nails into some of the players. You have posts from the likes of trailer who seem to take pleasure in running down players. Some of it is childish nasty stuff.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 28, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 11:39:10 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
    read that when Dooher was asked about fitness of canavan & mcshane that he mentioned johnny munroe is back from injury and it's a big boost, will he get some game time this weekend? feel like him or tee are going to start with the other being an impact sub. either way, mickey o'neills run in the team is done and by god am i glad, offered the bare minimal vs donegal and looked like a lost sheep at times

    Jesus people are harsh on players.
    Michael O'Neill probably posted a few 6/10 performances over the last few games and if others chomping at the bit to get in his place is probably up for grabs but by no means a lost sheep or not warrant of a place on the panel / field

    It's always the way, players get better and better in the eyes of the general public with every game they don't play. Michael O'Neill did a solid defensive job the last day and I'd be surprised if he doesn't start on Saturday.

    At the start of the year I was hopeful that Johnny Munroe would make an impact but due to injury he hasn't made a single match panel through the league and championship so far, it seems very unlikely he'll be thrown in for an Ulster final.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on July 28, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 28, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 11:39:10 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
    read that when Dooher was asked about fitness of canavan & mcshane that he mentioned johnny munroe is back from injury and it's a big boost, will he get some game time this weekend? feel like him or tee are going to start with the other being an impact sub. either way, mickey o'neills run in the team is done and by god am i glad, offered the bare minimal vs donegal and looked like a lost sheep at times

    Jesus people are harsh on players.
    Michael O'Neill probably posted a few 6/10 performances over the last few games and if others chomping at the bit to get in his place is probably up for grabs but by no means a lost sheep or not warrant of a place on the panel / field

    It's always the way, players get better and better in the eyes of the general public with every game they don't play. Michael O'Neill did a solid defensive job the last day and I'd be surprised if he doesn't start on Saturday.

    At the start of the year I was hopeful that Johnny Munroe would make an impact but due to injury he hasn't made a single match panel through the league and championship so far, it seems very unlikely he'll be thrown in for an Ulster final.

    Michael O'Neill has been the weakest link in the tyrone team throughout the past couple of years. What Harte saw and what logan&dooher sees in him I will never know. Good club player but by god the man is miles off county level. His positioning is awful and if you went to any of the games you will hear Morgan or Hampsey constantly shouting at him to set up properly. He is a physical specimen but his football IQ is seriously lacking. He doesn't possess any of the traits a good 6 should such as composure, leadership and as previously mentioned a good footballing IQ. Hampsey should be moved back into 6 he has it in his locker and has performed spectacularly at this position before.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on July 28, 2021, 12:10:47 PM
    Clonmore ?
    Valued opinion
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigpackiechestout on July 28, 2021, 12:12:13 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on July 28, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 28, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 11:39:10 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
    read that when Dooher was asked about fitness of canavan & mcshane that he mentioned johnny munroe is back from injury and it's a big boost, will he get some game time this weekend? feel like him or tee are going to start with the other being an impact sub. either way, mickey o'neills run in the team is done and by god am i glad, offered the bare minimal vs donegal and looked like a lost sheep at times

    Jesus people are harsh on players.
    Michael O'Neill probably posted a few 6/10 performances over the last few games and if others chomping at the bit to get in his place is probably up for grabs but by no means a lost sheep or not warrant of a place on the panel / field

    It's always the way, players get better and better in the eyes of the general public with every game they don't play. Michael O'Neill did a solid defensive job the last day and I'd be surprised if he doesn't start on Saturday.

    At the start of the year I was hopeful that Johnny Munroe would make an impact but due to injury he hasn't made a single match panel through the league and championship so far, it seems very unlikely he'll be thrown in for an Ulster final.

    Michael O'Neill has been the weakest link in the tyrone team throughout the past couple of years. What Harte saw and what logan&dooher sees in him I will never know. Good club player but by god the man is miles off county level. His positioning is awful and if you went to any of the games you will hear Morgan or Hampsey constantly shouting at him to set up properly. He is a physical specimen but his football IQ is seriously lacking. He doesn't possess any of the traits a good 6 should such as composure, leadership and as previously mentioned a good footballing IQ. Hampsey should be moved back into 6 he has it in his locker and has performed spectacularly at this position before.

    Logan and dooher see him every night in training so I'll trust they are a better judge than you of his ability and contribution in comparison to any alternatives. He's actually been given a man marking job this past couple of games so hasn't been asked to play a traditional 6 role.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on July 28, 2021, 12:21:39 PM
    Any recommendations of bars to to watch the game in Dublin on Saturday. Will be down in Dublin this weekend, only have 1 vaccine, so will need somewhere with outdoor screens etc..

    Thanks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 12:23:23 PM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 28, 2021, 12:12:13 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on July 28, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 28, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 11:39:10 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
    read that when Dooher was asked about fitness of canavan & mcshane that he mentioned johnny munroe is back from injury and it's a big boost, will he get some game time this weekend? feel like him or tee are going to start with the other being an impact sub. either way, mickey o'neills run in the team is done and by god am i glad, offered the bare minimal vs donegal and looked like a lost sheep at times

    Jesus people are harsh on players.
    Michael O'Neill probably posted a few 6/10 performances over the last few games and if others chomping at the bit to get in his place is probably up for grabs but by no means a lost sheep or not warrant of a place on the panel / field

    It's always the way, players get better and better in the eyes of the general public with every game they don't play. Michael O'Neill did a solid defensive job the last day and I'd be surprised if he doesn't start on Saturday.

    At the start of the year I was hopeful that Johnny Munroe would make an impact but due to injury he hasn't made a single match panel through the league and championship so far, it seems very unlikely he'll be thrown in for an Ulster final.

    Michael O'Neill has been the weakest link in the tyrone team throughout the past couple of years. What Harte saw and what logan&dooher sees in him I will never know. Good club player but by god the man is miles off county level. His positioning is awful and if you went to any of the games you will hear Morgan or Hampsey constantly shouting at him to set up properly. He is a physical specimen but his football IQ is seriously lacking. He doesn't possess any of the traits a good 6 should such as composure, leadership and as previously mentioned a good footballing IQ. Hampsey should be moved back into 6 he has it in his locker and has performed spectacularly at this position before.

    Logan and dooher see him every night in training so I'll trust they are a better judge than you of his ability and contribution in comparison to any alternatives. He's actually been given a man marking job this past couple of games so hasn't been asked to play a traditional 6 role.

    He was given a man marking job???? on who???????? that is absolutely laughable, i think there was 3 plays in a row where i turned to my father & said "watch o'neill here" i think he ended up marking 5 different people in one play, he never went to put pressure on, he actually ran past the ball a few times just to be seen standing beside a man. anyone in this thread who believes Michael O'Neill is at the standard of a centre half back for a team wanting to win Ulster is very delusional and needs to think to themselves are they being too nice in support of a player because he's getting a bit of criticism, very good club player, not county standard
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on July 28, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 28, 2021, 12:12:13 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on July 28, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
    Quote from: bigpackiechestout on July 28, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 11:39:10 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on July 28, 2021, 11:18:25 AM
    read that when Dooher was asked about fitness of canavan & mcshane that he mentioned johnny munroe is back from injury and it's a big boost, will he get some game time this weekend? feel like him or tee are going to start with the other being an impact sub. either way, mickey o'neills run in the team is done and by god am i glad, offered the bare minimal vs donegal and looked like a lost sheep at times

    Jesus people are harsh on players.
    Michael O'Neill probably posted a few 6/10 performances over the last few games and if others chomping at the bit to get in his place is probably up for grabs but by no means a lost sheep or not warrant of a place on the panel / field

    It's always the way, players get better and better in the eyes of the general public with every game they don't play. Michael O'Neill did a solid defensive job the last day and I'd be surprised if he doesn't start on Saturday.

    At the start of the year I was hopeful that Johnny Munroe would make an impact but due to injury he hasn't made a single match panel through the league and championship so far, it seems very unlikely he'll be thrown in for an Ulster final.

    Michael O'Neill has been the weakest link in the tyrone team throughout the past couple of years. What Harte saw and what logan&dooher sees in him I will never know. Good club player but by god the man is miles off county level. His positioning is awful and if you went to any of the games you will hear Morgan or Hampsey constantly shouting at him to set up properly. He is a physical specimen but his football IQ is seriously lacking. He doesn't possess any of the traits a good 6 should such as composure, leadership and as previously mentioned a good footballing IQ. Hampsey should be moved back into 6 he has it in his locker and has performed spectacularly at this position before.

    Logan and dooher see him every night in training so I'll trust they are a better judge than you of his ability and contribution in comparison to any alternatives. He's actually been given a man marking job this past couple of games so hasn't been asked to play a traditional 6 role.

    What a childish statement by that logic nobody's opinion is valid unless you are at every training sesion. :o

    Man marking job? What game were you watching? Who was he man marking? ;D ;D ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 01:22:22 PM
    Quote from: scout on July 28, 2021, 12:21:39 PM
    Any recommendations of bars to to watch the game in Dublin on Saturday. Will be down in Dublin this weekend, only have 1 vaccine, so will need somewhere with outdoor screens etc..

    Thanks

    I belive tickets will go to general sale trhis evening
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 28, 2021, 02:35:00 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 01:22:22 PM
    Quote from: scout on July 28, 2021, 12:21:39 PM
    Any recommendations of bars to to watch the game in Dublin on Saturday. Will be down in Dublin this weekend, only have 1 vaccine, so will need somewhere with outdoor screens etc..

    Thanks

    I belive tickets will go to general sale trhis evening

    Any idea of time?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on July 28, 2021, 03:08:09 PM
    Quote from: armaghniac on July 27, 2021, 03:03:11 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 27, 2021, 01:42:01 PM
    B. Tell the wife she is driving home and watch match in a pub near Croke park.

    It doesn't make sense to send the person who is going to be driving to the pub, as the bars aren't open in Croke Park she's be safer there. You could send her down to Henry St to buy the back to school kit.
    I was suggesting she go to the match and I watch in a pub.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 28, 2021, 07:17:38 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 01:22:22 PM
    Quote from: scout on July 28, 2021, 12:21:39 PM
    Any recommendations of bars to to watch the game in Dublin on Saturday. Will be down in Dublin this weekend, only have 1 vaccine, so will need somewhere with outdoor screens etc..

    Thanks

    I belive tickets will go to general sale trhis evening

    This true any idea on time?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 09:35:48 PM
    Doesn't seem to be the case.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Honda300 on July 28, 2021, 10:07:11 PM
    Where has Liam rafferty went this year?? Looked like one of the most promising players wee had coming through last year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 28, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
    Quote from: Honda300 on July 28, 2021, 10:07:11 PM
    Where has Liam rafferty went this year?? Looked like one of the most promising players wee had coming through last year

    Had a great year last year, just dropped down the pecking order, the likes of Mccann and Sluddens form has improved greatly. He's still there in the back ground, wouldn't be surprised to see him in the squad this week.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Gaafan2 on July 29, 2021, 09:46:37 AM
    Quote from: Honda300 on July 28, 2021, 10:07:11 PM
    Where has Liam rafferty went this year?? Looked like one of the most promising players wee had coming through last year

    Touring Ireland in his camper van ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on July 30, 2021, 07:12:47 AM
    Sport is often so unpredictable and how many of ye Tyrmoanies were like me who have swung from being truly excited by the fact that we could have a great forward line this year consisting of McShane, McKenna, Mattie, McCurry, Canavan, Bradley and Donaghy. I'm probably leaving out others of course. Meyler and McGeary of course are the worker bees that are needed to feed such forwards.
    Then come mid National League our dream was burst and I for one thought it would be a very short season with Donegal due give us another hiding, especially after the Kerry defeat.
    Now the medja are talking us up again and are even giving us a chance against the new AI favourites 😂

    Monaghan as they often do PUNCH above their weight time and time again. Despite being such a small county they have built a great attack minded team, free of the shackles that held them back over the last decade. McCarron and McCarthy are top class forwards now that unlike Tyrone can keep their composure and score goals which win matches. Monaghan have talented athletic players all over the pitch now and aren't just dependent on McManus and Hughes bros.
    I really did think they had the beating of us in 2018 but maybe Tyrones experience in CP with wily MH knowing how to win there in big games.
    This time Banty is the wily old Fox and these players no longer fear Tyrone the way they used to. If they can keep their heads and discipline this is their best chance in years. With Beggan such an important weapon now for far out frees and great kickouts I am indeed very worried about this game and how teams often fail to finish the job after beating the favourites in the semi.
    Our midfield is very inexperienced and so far have only played in bit parts.
    Where to play McKenna, Mattie, Richie and even Peter Harte continues to be unanswered.
    questions. I'm surprised Sparky hasnt seen more game time but McCurry really has been on fire DO FAR this last two games.

    I'm bringing my three sons to see their first Ulster final as they're fed up watching boring Dubs win all the time. My youngest lad is still Tyrone mad.
    I've a feeling we're in for a cracker, as long as Gough doesn't ruin it with his over fussy reffing and wanting some limelight. Enjoy lads
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 30, 2021, 07:55:38 AM
    There is certainly a good buzz around the Ulster Final this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on July 31, 2021, 09:31:49 PM
    The result was the important thing today but over the next 2 weeks this Tyrone team has a lot of work to do. That performance won't lay a glove onto this Kerry side.

    Always a good day when silverware is handed out so well done to the players and management.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on July 31, 2021, 10:31:40 PM
    Time to let mckernan go, he is such an embarrassment every game. He just can't play honestly.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on July 31, 2021, 11:11:23 PM
    another ulster in the bag but second half was really poor, kept kicking the ball ( which worked in the first half) but need to recognise when it's not working and run it through the hands, the game reminded me of the kerry AI semi final a few years ago, quality and dominant first half, and abject second, need to man up in the seconds half's and come out aggressive, that monaghan team is avg and needed to be put away by 5-6 points. Don't think Kerry is what they are hyped but we will need to be very good to beat them, and it not like we should be lacking motivation
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 31, 2021, 11:23:46 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on July 31, 2021, 11:11:23 PM
    another ulster in the bag but second half was really poor, kept kicking the ball ( which worked in the first half) but need to recognise when it's not working and run it through the hands, the game reminded me of the kerry AI semi final a few years ago, quality and dominant first half, and abject second, need to man up in the seconds half's and come out aggressive, that monaghan team is avg and needed to be put away by 5-6 points. Don't think Kerry is what they are hyped but we will need to be very good to beat them, and it not like we should be lacking motivation

    Exactly what I was thinking. Very similar to that kerry game a few years ago which they should have won. Maybe its my imagination but over the last 20 years numerous Tyrone teams don't seem to do well when they are leading at half time. They can never seem to kick on and kill the game off
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on August 01, 2021, 07:01:56 AM
    Great 1st year from new management
    An Ulster title and Division 1 status in very difficult circumstances - and about 3 weeks preparation time. It's not perfect yet but they seem to have the players all pulling in the one direction for them.
    Massive underdogs v Kerry & we have been in that position before!
    Overall it's been a great start to the new era regardless of how semi final goes
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on August 01, 2021, 09:48:42 AM
    Great win yesterday although they made hard work of it in the second half. We have a free crack at Kerry now and you never know what happens. Regardless, it's been an excellent first season for the new management team. We have so much to look forward to next year but this one isn't finished just yet!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on August 02, 2021, 11:30:50 AM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    Harte quiet LOL?  Are you on the wind up matey?  Peter Harte was excellent.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:33:17 AM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 02, 2021, 11:30:50 AM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    Harte quiet LOL?  Are you on the wind up matey?  Peter Harte was excellent.

    In the first half I had to ask if he was on the pitch. Came into it a bit more towards the end of the game. Would love to see his possession stats.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mr. Nakata on August 02, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
    Harte and Meyler I thought were both excellent. Harte really stood up when the chips were down....showed great leadership. Meyler gets through a mountain of work every game. Saturday was no different. I thought maybe at the start of the league his confidence was up regarding shooting for scores...he scored a few and and missed a few....but was shooting for point when in the scoring zone....now looks like he's reverted to type...offloads always. Get the ball to dazzler as quickly as possible isn't a bad strategy right enough. Man's on fire. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 02, 2021, 03:57:57 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    So has every forward in Ireland?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 02, 2021, 04:00:53 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    i hope you're not referring to his effort which was from outside the 45 out of the hands on his weaker side.. as that definitely wasn't a scoreable one and if only Morgan had his shooting boots on that would've been perfect range for what should've been his 3rd point, stick Beggan in that Tyrone team and we're guaranteed another 3/4 points a game

    McKenna was awful on Saturday in my opinion, he just didn't look like he knew what to do or what his role was. would love to see Canavan come in vs Kerry, can see him doing damage, there's 1 position up for grabs already with Michael o'neill definitely (finally) losing his place. would love to see Richie in around midfield as i feel like we are lacking experience in there, definitely a few positions up for grabs in the semi final, managers have some thinking to do now, game is there to be won if we perform to our capabilities and frustrate Kerry
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on August 02, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    I honestly can't remember him missing one.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 02, 2021, 04:25:46 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on August 02, 2021, 04:00:53 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    i hope you're not referring to his effort which was from outside the 45 out of the hands on his weaker side.. as that definitely wasn't a scoreable one and if only Morgan had his shooting boots on that would've been perfect range for what should've been his 3rd point, stick Beggan in that Tyrone team and we're guaranteed another 3/4 points a game

    McKenna was awful on Saturday in my opinion, he just didn't look like he knew what to do or what his role was. would love to see Canavan come in vs Kerry, can see him doing damage, there's 1 position up for grabs already with Michael o'neill definitely (finally) losing his place. would love to see Richie in around midfield as i feel like we are lacking experience in there, definitely a few positions up for grabs in the semi final, managers have some thinking to do now, game is there to be won if we perform to our capabilities and frustrate Kerry

    Finally Scruffy Oneill seems to have lost his spot. Has been holding Tyrone back past couple of years. Player with zero talent and awareness. Good riddance.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 02, 2021, 04:27:04 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    I honestly can't remember him missing one.

    was just before half time i think, outside 45 just on the right hand side, hit it high & wide, definitely not scoreable for a forward out of the hands, but scoreable for Morgan if he had more confidence
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2021, 04:27:40 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 02, 2021, 04:25:46 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on August 02, 2021, 04:00:53 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    i hope you're not referring to his effort which was from outside the 45 out of the hands on his weaker side.. as that definitely wasn't a scoreable one and if only Morgan had his shooting boots on that would've been perfect range for what should've been his 3rd point, stick Beggan in that Tyrone team and we're guaranteed another 3/4 points a game

    McKenna was awful on Saturday in my opinion, he just didn't look like he knew what to do or what his role was. would love to see Canavan come in vs Kerry, can see him doing damage, there's 1 position up for grabs already with Michael o'neill definitely (finally) losing his place. would love to see Richie in around midfield as i feel like we are lacking experience in there, definitely a few positions up for grabs in the semi final, managers have some thinking to do now, game is there to be won if we perform to our capabilities and frustrate Kerry

    Finally Scruffy Oneill seems to have lost his spot. Has been holding Tyrone back past couple of years. Player with zero talent and awareness. Good riddance.
    Catch yourself on you absolute pr!ck.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on August 02, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on August 02, 2021, 04:27:04 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    I honestly can't remember him missing one.

    was just before half time i think, outside 45 just on the right hand side, hit it high & wide, definitely not scoreable for a forward out of the hands, but scoreable for Morgan if he had more confidence

    OK well I am more referring to those frees in and around the D on both sides. If it is on the edge of his range or way out on the left then No, but those 14 -30 meter frees are meat and drink to him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on August 02, 2021, 10:37:42 PM
    Just watched the game back. MC Geary's tackling has improved beyond belief. In fact all Tyrone players tackled with great discipline most of the time. Credit to the Tyrone coaches for that. Even great to watch Mattie do his motm interview on rte.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 06:52:14 AM
    11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 07:54:00 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 06:52:14 AM
    11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.

    What about the all Ireland final in 2018
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 08:26:54 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 07:54:00 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 06:52:14 AM
    11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.

    What about the all Ireland final in 2018

    Darren McCurry wasn't cooking the country up that year... I have faith in big Dazzler :-* :-* :-*
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 04, 2021, 09:12:59 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 07:54:00 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 06:52:14 AM
    11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.

    What about the all Ireland final in 2018

    2018 was strange as no one expected anything other than a Dublin win. Ironically tyrone done very well for the first 15 mins but once Dublin for the goal around the 20 min mark it was game over. I still have the image of tryone being down by about 4-6 points in the 2nd half with all Tyrone players in their own half bar Colm Cavanagh standing on the half way line willing tyrone to push forward to no avail.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on August 04, 2021, 09:38:43 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 04, 2021, 09:12:59 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 07:54:00 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 06:52:14 AM
    11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.

    What about the all Ireland final in 2018

    2018 was strange as no one expected anything other than a Dublin win. Ironically tyrone done very well for the first 15 mins but once Dublin for the goal around the 20 min mark it was game over. I still have the image of tryone being down by about 4-6 points in the 2nd half with all Tyrone players in their own half bar Colm Cavanagh standing on the half way line willing tyrone to push forward to no avail.

    The game changed on a poor kickout from Morgan. Dublin goaled and the match was over. That's the reality, one mistake and you are finished.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 04, 2021, 09:45:04 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 04, 2021, 09:12:59 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 07:54:00 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 06:52:14 AM
    11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.

    What about the all Ireland final in 2018

    2018 was strange as no one expected anything other than a Dublin win. Ironically tyrone done very well for the first 15 mins but once Dublin for the goal around the 20 min mark it was game over. I still have the image of tryone being down by about 4-6 points in the 2nd half with all Tyrone players in their own half bar Colm Cavanagh standing on the half way line willing tyrone to push forward to no avail.

    Yes and the one man who came out and thumped the ball into the Dublin area was Morgan   It what was needed at that time and he obviously was frustrated his teammates lack of urgency
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 04, 2021, 10:01:49 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 04, 2021, 09:45:04 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 04, 2021, 09:12:59 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 07:54:00 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 06:52:14 AM
    11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.

    What about the all Ireland final in 2018

    2018 was strange as no one expected anything other than a Dublin win. Ironically tyrone done very well for the first 15 mins but once Dublin for the goal around the 20 min mark it was game over. I still have the image of tryone being down by about 4-6 points in the 2nd half with all Tyrone players in their own half bar Colm Cavanagh standing on the half way line willing tyrone to push forward to no avail.

    Yes and the one man who came out and thumped the ball into the Dublin area was Morgan   It what was needed at that time and he obviously was frustrated his teammates lack of urgency

    Yip. When tyrone did pump the ball in colm I think scored 1-1 from it. Tyrone didn't do it enough. For me that was ehe I I decided mickey needed to go. Poor negative game plan, defending a loss is ridiculous. If you are losing in the final 15 mins you may as well go all out attack. Getting beat by 1 point or 16 points is still the same
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 11:44:17 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 04, 2021, 10:01:49 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 04, 2021, 09:45:04 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 04, 2021, 09:12:59 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 07:54:00 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 04, 2021, 06:52:14 AM
    11 days out from probably the biggest game for Tyrone since the '08 final.

    What about the all Ireland final in 2018

    Agreed. Harte seemed to have lost that "all or nothing" tool from his arsenal in his later years. It was almost like his courage dwindled with every passing year.

    2018 was strange as no one expected anything other than a Dublin win. Ironically tyrone done very well for the first 15 mins but once Dublin for the goal around the 20 min mark it was game over. I still have the image of tryone being down by about 4-6 points in the 2nd half with all Tyrone players in their own half bar Colm Cavanagh standing on the half way line willing tyrone to push forward to no avail.

    Yes and the one man who came out and thumped the ball into the Dublin area was Morgan   It what was needed at that time and he obviously was frustrated his teammates lack of urgency

    Yip. When tyrone did pump the ball in colm I think scored 1-1 from it. Tyrone didn't do it enough. For me that was ehe I I decided mickey needed to go. Poor negative game plan, defending a loss is ridiculous. If you are losing in the final 15 mins you may as well go all out attack. Getting beat by 1 point or 16 points is still the same
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 04, 2021, 12:28:49 PM
    Tyrone went from 8 points down to 4 when the switch was made. If only it was made sooner...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 09:39:28 PM
    Hearing more players tested positive for covid since the Monaghan game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on August 04, 2021, 09:52:41 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 09:39:28 PM
    Hearing more players tested positive for covid since the Monaghan game

    Coalisland and surrounding area is rife with it atm...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 04, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 04, 2021, 09:39:28 PM
    Hearing more players tested positive for covid since the Monaghan game

    Any ideas who? If it was recently they should be OK to play from a self isolating point of view but if they are unwell then they may not be fit for it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the goal was on on August 04, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
    Hearing there were many more who had tested positive before the Monaghan game ! Tyrone were down to bare bones in training ! Post match celebrations can't have helped situation though hard to avoid
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on August 05, 2021, 05:57:23 AM
    That's complete crap. To come on here and say that players tested positive before the game and played on is bullshit. It's fellas like you that drag the County through the mud
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
    Quote from: the goal was on on August 04, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
    Hearing there were many more who had tested positive before the Monaghan game ! Tyrone were down to bare bones in training ! Post match celebrations can't have helped situation though hard to avoid

    I heard McGeary had his positive test result written on his arm and kept showing it to the Monaghan players.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on August 05, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
    Quote from: the goal was on on August 04, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
    Hearing there were many more who had tested positive before the Monaghan game ! Tyrone were down to bare bones in training ! Post match celebrations can't have helped situation though hard to avoid

    I heard McGeary had his positive test result written on his arm and kept showing it to the Monaghan players.

    Well if an anonymous contributor on a web forum heard it from another anonymous source, I suppose it must be true then.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
    Quote from: Snapchap on August 05, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
    Quote from: the goal was on on August 04, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
    Hearing there were many more who had tested positive before the Monaghan game ! Tyrone were down to bare bones in training ! Post match celebrations can't have helped situation though hard to avoid

    I heard McGeary had his positive test result written on his arm and kept showing it to the Monaghan players.

    Well if an anonymous contributor on a web forum heard it from another anonymous source, I suppose it must be true then.
    Maybe my sarcasm didn't come through.

    Must try harder.....,
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 05, 2021, 10:54:41 AM
    Quote from: the_daddy on August 05, 2021, 10:51:06 AM
    Quote from: Snapchap on August 05, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
    Quote from: the goal was on on August 04, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
    Hearing there were many more who had tested positive before the Monaghan game ! Tyrone were down to bare bones in training ! Post match celebrations can't have helped situation though hard to avoid

    I heard McGeary had his positive test result written on his arm and kept showing it to the Monaghan players.

    Well if an anonymous contributor on a web forum heard it from another anonymous source, I suppose it must be true then.

    Only if it came from a forwarded message on WhatsApp

    Yeah I completely believe that a player who risk a suspension and a huge backlash by going round telling opposition players he had covid. Unreal stuff that people believe, but like the time the rumour was going round that Steve o'neill poisoned a kerry player.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on August 05, 2021, 10:54:53 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
    Quote from: Snapchap on August 05, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
    Quote from: the goal was on on August 04, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
    Hearing there were many more who had tested positive before the Monaghan game ! Tyrone were down to bare bones in training ! Post match celebrations can't have helped situation though hard to avoid

    I heard McGeary had his positive test result written on his arm and kept showing it to the Monaghan players.

    Well if an anonymous contributor on a web forum heard it from another anonymous source, I suppose it must be true then.
    Maybe my sarcasm didn't come through.

    Must try harder.....,

    Ditto
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:59:26 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 05, 2021, 10:54:41 AM
    Quote from: the_daddy on August 05, 2021, 10:51:06 AM
    Quote from: Snapchap on August 05, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
    Quote from: the goal was on on August 04, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
    Hearing there were many more who had tested positive before the Monaghan game ! Tyrone were down to bare bones in training ! Post match celebrations can't have helped situation though hard to avoid

    I heard McGeary had his positive test result written on his arm and kept showing it to the Monaghan players.

    Well if an anonymous contributor on a web forum heard it from another anonymous source, I suppose it must be true then.

    Only if it came from a forwarded message on WhatsApp

    Yeah I completely believe that a player who risk a suspension and a huge backlash by going round telling opposition players he had covid. Unreal stuff that people believe, but like the time the rumour was going round that Steve o'neill poisoned a kerry player.

    Ahh jebus this is going to grow legs!! 😂
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the goal was on on August 05, 2021, 11:20:44 AM
    To clarify I heard that players had covid in lead up to game, never said anything about playing . I assumed these players had covid week after Donegal game and missed training in lead up to game .
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Rawhide on August 05, 2021, 11:42:15 AM
    I guess not many on this board have had covid and play. One of our family members had covid, literally nothing of note other than a sniffle for a few days. Even with having literally nothing of obvious to note it took two weeks before he/she was running at the level he/she was used to. Infact any player I know who has had covid irrespective of how bad they got it, all reported the same thing, at least two weeks before they could run normally with breathing. So you can be assured any player who had covid in the week prior to that game would not have been playing at that level, as they couldn't.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on August 05, 2021, 02:59:47 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on August 05, 2021, 10:54:53 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
    Quote from: Snapchap on August 05, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 05, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
    Quote from: the goal was on on August 04, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
    Hearing there were many more who had tested positive before the Monaghan game ! Tyrone were down to bare bones in training ! Post match celebrations can't have helped situation though hard to avoid

    I heard McGeary had his positive test result written on his arm and kept showing it to the Monaghan players.

    Well if an anonymous contributor on a web forum heard it from another anonymous source, I suppose it must be true then.
    Maybe my sarcasm didn't come through.

    Must try harder.....,

    Ditto
    Don't, if you have to spell it out for the hard of thinking it loses its value and the rest of us don't get to laugh at the Pearl clutchers.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on August 05, 2021, 03:13:04 PM
    such a load of libellous rubbish...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Club boi on August 05, 2021, 09:11:30 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2021, 04:27:40 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 02, 2021, 04:25:46 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on August 02, 2021, 04:00:53 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    i hope you're not referring to his effort which was from outside the 45 out of the hands on his weaker side.. as that definitely wasn't a scoreable one and if only Morgan had his shooting boots on that would've been perfect range for what should've been his 3rd point, stick Beggan in that Tyrone team and we're guaranteed another 3/4 points a game

    McKenna was awful on Saturday in my opinion, he just didn't look like he knew what to do or what his role was. would love to see Canavan come in vs Kerry, can see him doing damage, there's 1 position up for grabs already with Michael o'neill definitely (finally) losing his place. would love to see Richie in around midfield as i feel like we are lacking experience in there, definitely a few positions up for grabs in the semi final, managers have some thinking to do now, game is there to be won if we perform to our capabilities and frustrate Kerry

    Finally Scruffy Oneill seems to have lost his spot. Has been holding Tyrone back past couple of years. Player with zero talent and awareness. Good riddance.
    Catch yourself on you absolute pr!ck.

    + 1

    Mc Geary has been excellent, I almost take back what I said about him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 06, 2021, 12:01:29 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on August 02, 2021, 04:27:04 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
    Quote from: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:19:33 AM
    A few musings.

    We were very good in the first half but Monaghan lacked intensity and Tyrone players had time to run and break lines. The Monaghan game plan was all about stopping McCurry. Two men marshalling him at all times. Problem is it left space for others. Even though McCurry was well marked he kept them busy with intelligent runs and game play.

    Monaghan of course were a different animal in 2nd half. Pushing up and squeezing Tyrone. Tyrone didn't have many answers, but kicking it long was an option that nearly provided a few goal chances. This will be good practice for what Kerry will do.

    The Goalkeeping one is interesting. Morgan and Beggan occupying the space was a great tactic. Morgan for the most part had a very good game, but missing two very similar 45s was criminal. His KOs were for the most part very good and helped to keep ball well at the end to see out the game.
    Frees. Anything in McCurry range left or right he should take. Donnelly and McShane missed two very scoreable frees. At this level those are critical. That's 4 points that we can't afford to really give up.

    McShane obviously rusty. Felt he was just too casual. He needs to sharpen up.
    McGeary had another great game, Logan and Dooher have obviously turned him into a footballer.
    Meyler gets through lots of work, but again his footballing skills are lacking. Some poor decisions and passes. He must offer more.
    Sludden was brilliant. A real attacking HB with great energy.
    Two MFs did well and Tyrone probably edged that battle.
    McCurry was fantastic. Marked within an inch of his life he kept them constantly guessing. A real Rolls Royce player.
    McKenna and Harte were both quiet. Hoping we get more out of them next time.

    There is a lot of positives. Winning an Ulster in their 1st year is a great achievement for this management team. Beat the two other best sides on the way.
    They did play a lot of good football. I've enjoyed watching them evolve and get better. Will we win an AI? Probably not but we're playing with a bit more jizz and it's great change from the previous regime.

    McCurry missed a very scoreable free too yesterday and has missed them in the past also.

    I honestly can't remember him missing one.

    was just before half time i think, outside 45 just on the right hand side, hit it high & wide, definitely not scoreable for a forward out of the hands, but scoreable for Morgan if he had more confidence
    Was just before half time, pretty central on the 45. Definitely very scoreable for a forward but was missed. Morgan missed a similar one not long after.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on August 07, 2021, 08:26:21 AM
    What's going on with Derrytresk? Blazing a trail first 6-7 games in junior, top of table, now on a downward spiral. Serious hammering last nite..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 07, 2021, 08:36:04 AM
    Quote from: Onthe40 on August 07, 2021, 08:26:21 AM
    What's going on with Derrytresk? Blazing a trail first 6-7 games in junior, top of table, now on a downward spiral. Serious hammering last nite..

    Niall Gavin got injured. Out for season
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 07, 2021, 10:25:21 AM
    Hearing  whole Tyrone team being tested for Covid this morning ....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on August 07, 2021, 10:50:35 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 07, 2021, 10:25:21 AM
    Hearing  whole Tyrone team being tested for Covid this morning ....

    What happens if most players out? Can they postpone or is it play or concede?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on August 07, 2021, 10:51:59 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on August 07, 2021, 10:50:35 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 07, 2021, 10:25:21 AM
    Hearing  whole Tyrone team being tested for Covid this morning ....

    What happens if most players out? Can they postpone or is it play or concede?

    Postponed. Croke Park set the precedent with the All Ireland u20 final.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 07, 2021, 11:45:50 AM
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40354628.html

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: FermGael on August 07, 2021, 11:48:27 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on August 07, 2021, 10:51:59 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on August 07, 2021, 10:50:35 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 07, 2021, 10:25:21 AM
    Hearing  whole Tyrone team being tested for Covid this morning ....

    What happens if most players out? Can they postpone or is it play or concede?

    Postponed. Croke Park set the precedent with the All Ireland u20 final.

    See Sligo last year for the precedent
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 07, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
    Surely questions must be asked of the players how do many of them caught it. Is there regular testing in county set ups
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 07, 2021, 02:26:01 PM
    Where was the team pissup at the weekend ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on August 07, 2021, 02:30:53 PM
    Football is secondary in all of this.Putting up names is unwarranted.Privacy is something all are entitled to.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on August 07, 2021, 02:37:41 PM
    What gives anyone the right to post up someone's name and health status on a Internet forum, surely that is beyond the pale. The same people who hide behind an internet username
    Disgraceful
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2021, 02:46:04 PM
    (https://i.ibb.co/GtsQ0xT/E8-MSe0r-WQBAg-CPN.jpg)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the goal was on on August 07, 2021, 03:14:50 PM
    Only them a week to decide to test the whole panel ! If a few players have tested positive this week it would suggest the close contact screening missed a few unless it was these players that were isolating .
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GAABoardMod5 on August 07, 2021, 07:27:10 PM
    Let's try not to name names here, no matter how well informed a poster might be on this matter.

    Of course, posting a link to a reputable source with names is allowed.

    Thanks.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on August 07, 2021, 07:41:04 PM
    Anyone get a link through for tickets yet?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ty4Sam on August 07, 2021, 08:27:48 PM
    No links sent through yet, they were due on Friday. I would assume they are waiting to see if the match goes ahead, logistical nightmare to take money off people and then have to give it back. Better communication would be appreciated by everyone though.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on August 07, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
    Back from the u17 game there. That's as good a team of players as I've seen in a very long time. Very exciting team to watch. Wee Gerry Donnelly and Gary Herginton over them. Two excellent coaches. Word is that the subs are everybit as good as the starters and that def was the case. Fermanagh were poor and were no were near Tyrone physically or even near them intellectually.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Olly on August 07, 2021, 09:26:30 PM
    Ah come on. Some of them Fermanagh ones are doing A Levels albeit in construction and agriculture.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on August 07, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
    Quote from: redzone on August 07, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
    Back from the u17 game there. That's as good a team of players as I've seen in a very long time. Very exciting team to watch. Wee Gerry Donnelly and Gary Herginton over them. Two excellent coaches. Word is that the subs are everybit as good as the starters and that def was the case. Fermanagh were poor and were no were near Tyrone physically or even near them intellectually.

    Great attacking intent and the backs out in front and aggressive in the tackle. Modern day tactics
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 08, 2021, 10:14:04 AM
    Watched both their games on the TV just, but that's a seriously impressive minor side. Very encouraging

    Brewster Park an odd choice for the final. Celtic Park would have been a better choice for both sides
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jablue on August 08, 2021, 06:48:15 PM
    With Tyrone down a few players due to covid, Holmes has dipped into the Dungannon team for Numbers for training. Podge McNulty and in form forward James morgan trained with the team last Friday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the goal was on on August 08, 2021, 09:33:49 PM
    Trained on Friday then whole team gets tested and has to isolate on Saturday? Doesn't make a lot of sense!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 09, 2021, 01:12:33 PM
    GAA making the call on the game later today. If it was Tyrone County Board Martin Sludden would award Kerry the victory. Covid is not an excuse for cancelling a game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on August 09, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
    Gaa suits be happy to cancel means an extra 24000 at 50 a piece imo.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
    Quote from: skeog on August 09, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
    Gaa suits be happy to cancel means an extra 24000 at 50 a piece imo.

    Wtf are you talking about.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: armaghniac on August 09, 2021, 02:22:54 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
    Quote from: skeog on August 09, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
    Gaa suits be happy to cancel means an extra 24000 at 50 a piece imo.

    Wtf are you talking about.

    Presumably he means that a postponed game would be allowed the same attendance as the AI Hurling final the next day?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: APM on August 09, 2021, 03:19:00 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
    Quote from: skeog on August 09, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
    Gaa suits be happy to cancel means an extra 24000 at 50 a piece imo.

    Wtf are you talking about.

    WTF are the "GAA suits"! Pejorative language for administrators. They are needed a club level, county level and in HQ. I have to laugh at members of the GAA complaining about the GAA.  The "suits" are either elected to run the organisation or appointed by those that are elected. The association has to have an administration.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on August 09, 2021, 10:54:27 PM
    https://twitter.com/colmnally/status/1424831089588285446?s=19


    Interesting camera angles from Monaghan match, great movement outfield for Morgan to hit.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 11, 2021, 09:08:43 AM
    With the way things are looking, if Dooher & Logan had to make a few last minute call ups to the panel who would you like to see?

    Conall McCann would be the first man I would ring.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on August 11, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 11, 2021, 09:08:43 AM
    With the way things are looking, if Dooher & Logan had to make a few last minute call ups to the panel who would you like to see?

    Conall McCann would be the first man I would ring.

    Dooher at 10
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 11, 2021, 09:35:32 AM
    LOL crazy stuff this!

    I'd ring Teague from Dromore, and the two forwards from Clonoe
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 10:09:32 AM
    I wonder will club teams be afforded cancellations and accommodation with covid issues for Club teams come Championship time...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on August 11, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
    Quote from: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 10:09:32 AM
    I wonder will club teams be afforded cancellations and accommodation with covid issues for Club teams come Championship time...
    ;D some chance
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on August 11, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
    Game will be put back imo.The loss of revenue and credibility of the winners if Tyrone have to forfeit will ensure another week will be given.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 11, 2021, 10:57:53 AM
    Quote from: skeog on August 11, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
    Game will be put back imo.The loss of revenue and credibility of the winners if Tyrone have to forfeit will ensure another week will be given.

    Think so too.. Tyrone playing a shrewd game here IMO
    "We ll make a decision at the weekend whether we can field a team"
    In other words...we are giving Croke park until that time to change their mind or else much needed match revenue is lost ..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on August 11, 2021, 11:06:50 AM
    Quote from: God14 on August 11, 2021, 09:35:32 AM
    LOL crazy stuff this!

    I'd ring Teague from Dromore, and the two forwards from Clonoe

    Clonoe play with 6 forwards please clarify which two?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 11, 2021, 11:11:57 AM
    Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on August 11, 2021, 11:06:50 AM
    Quote from: God14 on August 11, 2021, 09:35:32 AM
    LOL crazy stuff this!

    I'd ring Teague from Dromore, and the two forwards from Clonoe

    Clonoe play with 6 forwards please clarify which two?

    Thought that was pretty obvious? Collie Doris & Ryan T O neill
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
    Maybe we should have stayed out the beer house in Pomeroy the Monday after Ulster Final... we have met trouble half way in my opinion..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: galwayman on August 11, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on August 11, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
    Quote from: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 10:09:32 AM
    I wonder will club teams be afforded cancellations and accommodation with covid issues for Club teams come Championship time...
    ;D some chance
    Sligo weren't given any leeway in last years championship.
    Obviously it's much more logistically challenging at the start of the championship rather than towards the end but still.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 11, 2021, 12:54:35 PM
    Quote from: galwayman on August 11, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on August 11, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
    Quote from: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 10:09:32 AM
    I wonder will club teams be afforded cancellations and accommodation with covid issues for Club teams come Championship time...
    ;D some chance
    Sligo weren't given any leeway in last years championship.
    Obviously it's much more logistically challenging at the start of the championship rather than towards the end but still.

    But still what? You've just clearly stated why Sligo weren't givien as much leeway.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: armaghniac on August 11, 2021, 01:43:44 PM
    Will the Tyrone county board be showing the same flexibility regarding club games as they seek for their county team?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 01:48:24 PM
    Quote from: armaghniac on August 11, 2021, 01:43:44 PM
    Will the Tyrone county board be showing the same flexibility regarding club games as they seek for their county team?

    Yawn - how many times has this been asked today?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Captain Scarlet on August 11, 2021, 03:46:49 PM
    Can I ask how many lads actually have it and how many are being hit by quarantine rules?
    There are different numbers flying around.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on August 11, 2021, 05:16:27 PM
    Quote from: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
    Maybe we should have stayed out the beer house in Pomeroy the Monday after Ulster Final... we have met trouble half way in my opinion..

    This has McGeary and Burns written all over it.....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 11, 2021, 05:16:27 PM
    Quote from: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
    Maybe we should have stayed out the beer house in Pomeroy the Monday after Ulster Final... we have met trouble half way in my opinion..

    This has McGeary and Burns written all over it.....

    Can see where you are coming from but pubs are open so they are allowed to be there. I would ask what is the point in playing the gaa calendar at all ilthis yer if you are not allowed to celebrate after winning a trophy. Isn't that the whole point of it, winning and them celebrating your hard work by enjoying yourself.

    You could say they could go out after they are knocked out of the championship but in reality the enjoyment of winning ulster would be gone and you would be out celebrating a defeat.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 06:06:12 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 11, 2021, 05:16:27 PM
    Quote from: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
    Maybe we should have stayed out the beer house in Pomeroy the Monday after Ulster Final... we have met trouble half way in my opinion..

    This has McGeary and Burns written all over it.....

    Can see where you are coming from but pubs are open so they are allowed to be there. I would ask what is the point in playing the gaa calendar at all ilthis yer if you are not allowed to celebrate after winning a trophy. Isn't that the whole point of it, winning and them celebrating your hard work by enjoying yourself.

    You could say they could go out after they are knocked out of the championship but in reality the enjoyment of winning ulster would be gone and you would be out celebrating a defeat.

    Celebrate away by all means, as the times we are in with 4/5 missing the Ulster Final a more careful approach may/should have been taken, no point yapping now when this approach was not taken.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Gaafan2 on August 11, 2021, 06:37:13 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 11, 2021, 05:16:27 PM
    Quote from: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
    Maybe we should have stayed out the beer house in Pomeroy the Monday after Ulster Final... we have met trouble half way in my opinion..

    This has McGeary and Burns written all over it.....

    Burns was isolating ye clown. Incase you didn't notice, he wasn't playing in the the ulster final.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on August 12, 2021, 09:47:36 AM
    ticket allocation a mess, another successf from our co board and Croker..  some families not getting any, families getting double what they requested, adults getting kids tickets, kids getting adult tickets.. muppets
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on August 12, 2021, 10:01:56 AM
    Quote from: Onthe40 on August 12, 2021, 09:47:36 AM
    ticket allocation a mess, another successf from our co board and Croker..  some families not getting any, families getting double what they requested, adults getting kids tickets, kids getting adult tickets.. muppets

    To be fair, it's nothing to do with the County Board. Blame Croke Park and Ticketmaster. The process of allocating tickets completely randomly is asinine. e.g. Our club chairman was allocated tickets in the upper Cusack at the very back while a friend of mine (who does nothing for the club) was allocated lower hogan. How does that make sense!?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on August 12, 2021, 01:54:55 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    The 3 players highlighted would not be in the best team of the 00's
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    Collie McCullagh over Stevie O'Neill?  :o
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2021, 02:33:39 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    Collie McCullagh over Stevie O'Neill?  :o

    Once I seen stevie o'neill was off the list I stopped reading it lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on August 12, 2021, 02:38:52 PM
    Quote from: gaafan2 on August 11, 2021, 06:37:13 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 11, 2021, 05:16:27 PM
    Quote from: bigtogs on August 11, 2021, 11:27:42 AM
    Maybe we should have stayed out the beer house in Pomeroy the Monday after Ulster Final... we have met trouble half way in my opinion..

    This has McGeary and Burns written all over it.....

    Burns was isolating ye clown. Incase you didn't notice, he wasn't playing in the the ulster final.

    Lol.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 02:39:46 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2021, 02:33:39 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    Collie McCullagh over Stevie O'Neill?  :o

    Once I seen stevie o'neill was off the list I stopped reading it lol

    Stevie is closest not to get in. If you watched as much Tyrone football as I did you would see clear as day why McCullagh gets in over him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2021, 03:12:08 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 02:39:46 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2021, 02:33:39 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    Collie McCullagh over Stevie O'Neill?  :o

    Once I seen stevie o'neill was off the list I stopped reading it lol

    Stevie is closest not to get in. If you watched as much Tyrone football as I did you would see clear as day why McCullagh gets in over him

    McShane has had one good season as a forward and you put him ahead of o'neill who could score with both feet from nearly any angle.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Take_her_back_ref on August 12, 2021, 03:20:21 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    Stevie O'Neill, footballer of the year and with 3 All-Stars, can't make this team?

    No Ricey or Brian McGuigan?

    McCrory makes this team? Based on what exactly?

    McShane, as good a footballer as he is, has not done enough to make the best team of the last 20 years.

    Not sure McCullagh would feature either.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on August 12, 2021, 03:25:23 PM
    W u m
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on August 12, 2021, 03:55:31 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2021, 02:33:39 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    Collie McCullagh over Stevie O'Neill?  :o

    Once I seen stevie o'neill was off the list I stopped reading it lol

    Once I seen the keeper & full back line that was enough for me. No Ricey, No Cormac, no Packie. Then up front we have no McGuigan & No Stevie O'Neill ....!!!
    Viper must have been a fine player himself
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 04:04:23 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 12, 2021, 03:55:31 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2021, 02:33:39 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    Collie McCullagh over Stevie O'Neill?  :o

    Once I seen stevie o'neill was off the list I stopped reading it lol

    Once I seen the keeper & full back line that was enough for me. No Ricey, No Cormac, no Packie. Then up front we have no McGuigan & No Stevie O'Neill ....!!!
    Viper must have been a fine player himself

    Viper is Aidan McCrory
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: blackball on August 12, 2021, 04:26:22 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 04:04:23 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 12, 2021, 03:55:31 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 12, 2021, 02:33:39 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 12, 2021, 02:23:01 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
    Greatest Tyrone Team of the 2000s

    1. Niall Morgan
    2. A. McCrory
    3. J.McMahon
    4. P. Hampsey
    5. P. Harte
    6. C. Gormley
    7. P. Jordan
    8. C. Cavanagh
    9. S. Cavanagh
    10. O. Mulligan
    11. R. Donnelly
    12. B. Dooher
    13. C. McCullagh
    14. God
    15. C. McShane

    Honourable Mentions:
    J. Devine
    N. Sludden
    S. O'Neill
    B. McGuigan
    C. McAnallen

    Collie McCullagh over Stevie O'Neill?  :o

    Once I seen stevie o'neill was off the list I stopped reading it lol

    Once I seen the keeper & full back line that was enough for me. No Ricey, No Cormac, no Packie. Then up front we have no McGuigan & No Stevie O'Neill ....!!!
    Viper must have been a fine player himself

    Viper is Aidan McCrory

    Everyone relax, its obviously trolling.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 05:05:18 PM
    All valid opinions, in hindsight I would maybe put S. O'Neill in for McShane. I think the physicality of today's game S. O'Neill's skill would not do nearly as much damage as if you put C. McShane into an 03 AI final. He would annihilate everything in his path. Colm McCullagh is a certainty in this time - the amount of times he has dragged Tyrone to wins is insane. O'Neill only played well when the team played well. McCullagh was one of if not THE most consistent player for Tyrone in the past 20 years with the exception of Sean Cavanagh of course.

    McAnallen isn't near it either. I included him in the honourable mentions for his legacy not his football.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on August 12, 2021, 05:42:33 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 05:05:18 PM
    All valid opinions, in hindsight I would maybe put S. O'Neill in for McShane. I think the physicality of today's game S. O'Neill's skill would not do nearly as much damage as if you put C. McShane into an 03 AI final. He would annihilate everything in his path. Colm McCullagh is a certainty in this time - the amount of times he has dragged Tyrone to wins is insane. O'Neill only played well when the team played well. McCullagh was one of if not THE most consistent player for Tyrone in the past 20 years with the exception of Sean Cavanagh of course.

    McAnallen isn't near it either. I included him in the honourable mentions for his legacy not his football.

    When I seen Morgan and mccrory left me baffled, is that justy or Joe in full back.. Has colly cavanagh in midfield ahead of hub Hughes. Richie donnelly ahead of Ger Cavlan (most naturally gifted and underrated footballers in Ireland)
    You have selected mugsy in Wing half forward never seen mugsy play a senior game there ever, sure played a little youth there wouldn't have the work rate or legs for half forward. No mcguigan who pulled the strings in the naughties everything went through Brian, free kick outside 50 ball set down for mcguigan team of the decade. If your putting mcshane in for his one season wonder an honorable mention would then have to go to Ryan Mellon. Mcshane would annihilate seamus moynihan, you know they don't make them like they use too. Only thing I do agree with you is the stevie o Neill debate, mccullagg hardly kicked a ball for Tyrone because of his soccer allegiance, imo mccurry is better than mccullagh.. Mcanallens legacy, Tyrone found a 6'3 midfielder converted to full back a position he would have dominated for the next 8 seasons atleast. Viper has selected a Tyrone team mainly consistent of ulster winners. Morgan ahead of pascal lol no mistakes against monaghan he's due three the next day.. Consistency is key.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on August 12, 2021, 06:47:02 PM
    Obviously someone taking the hand, no comment
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on August 12, 2021, 09:31:33 PM
    Off the top of my head, some players who have recently retired / been dropped etc. from panel who could still do a job:
    Colm Cavanagh
    Padraig McNulty
    Kyle Coney
    Conal McCann
    Ruari Sludden
    Daniel Kerr
    Aidan McCrory (one of our best players from last 20 years I might add!)

    Add in a few U20s, nearly men / club journeymen e.g. Plunkett Kane and the 20ish players not covid positive and we'd still have a decent squad.  Surely picking a team from this, and probably getting beaten heavily is better than conceding the match or risking covid +ve players?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on August 12, 2021, 09:38:01 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 12, 2021, 09:31:33 PM
    Off the top of my head, some players who have recently retired / been dropped etc. from panel who could still do a job:
    Colm Cavanagh
    Padraig McNulty
    Kyle Coney
    Conal McCann
    Ruari Sludden
    Daniel Kerr
    Aidan McCrory (one of our best players from last 20 years I might add!)

    Add in a few U20s, nearly men / club journeymen e.g. Plunkett Kane and the 20ish players not covid positive and we'd still have a decent squad.  Surely picking a team from this, and probably getting beaten heavily is better than conceding the match or risking covid +ve players?

    21 players training last!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on August 12, 2021, 10:44:14 PM
    Good laugh that. A few points.
    Sluddens not playing for Dromore, mcrory completely done as is P Kane.
    Mugsy did indeed play half forward in his first year and was damn good at it in a few games.
    Hard to believe people would have packie in ahead of Morgan. A man tha wore  rugby boots to kick the ball out with. Brilliant shot stopper thou.
    From my memory I think Art brought in Hub, Cormac, Philly, Mcguigan, Oneill, Mugsy into the panel in 02. Maybe a few more? Probably Mccrossan as well. Tyrone were so exciting to watch around that time with it all building up to the win in 03. Clones used to be jam packed at championship games and the Tyrone support was mental. Very vocal as well. Compare the Monaghan support at the ulster final to Tyrone support. It was embarrassing, hardly a whimper out the Tyrone contingent, those that bothered to travel.

    Its a shame someone would use Cormac to try and troll on here but I suppose everyone has there flaws.
    There is grt clip on youtube I seen, against Cavan around 02/03 of him dunting Dermot Mccabe in mid air with his hips and catching the ball. The ref unbelievably gave a free to Cavan. He immediately set the ball down on the ground, they kicked it in long straight away and reilly got a goal. That's how honest a player he was. No shite with him. What a role model. What he achieved from 97 to 04 with Tyrone was unreal. A true legend

    https://youtu.be/GtQjGwTUYKM
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 13, 2021, 06:07:34 AM
    Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on August 12, 2021, 05:42:33 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 05:05:18 PM
    All valid opinions, in hindsight I would maybe put S. O'Neill in for McShane. I think the physicality of today's game S. O'Neill's skill would not do nearly as much damage as if you put C. McShane into an 03 AI final. He would annihilate everything in his path. Colm McCullagh is a certainty in this time - the amount of times he has dragged Tyrone to wins is insane. O'Neill only played well when the team played well. McCullagh was one of if not THE most consistent player for Tyrone in the past 20 years with the exception of Sean Cavanagh of course.

    McAnallen isn't near it either. I included him in the honourable mentions for his legacy not his football.

    When I seen Morgan and mccrory left me baffled, is that justy or Joe in full back.. Has colly cavanagh in midfield ahead of hub Hughes. Richie donnelly ahead of Ger Cavlan (most naturally gifted and underrated footballers in Ireland)
    You have selected mugsy in Wing half forward never seen mugsy play a senior game there ever, sure played a little youth there wouldn't have the work rate or legs for half forward. No mcguigan who pulled the strings in the naughties everything went through Brian, free kick outside 50 ball set down for mcguigan team of the decade. If your putting mcshane in for his one season wonder an honorable mention would then have to go to Ryan Mellon. Mcshane would annihilate seamus moynihan, you know they don't make them like they use too. Only thing I do agree with you is the stevie o Neill debate, mccullagg hardly kicked a ball for Tyrone because of his soccer allegiance, imo mccurry is better than mccullagh.. Mcanallens legacy, Tyrone found a 6'3 midfielder converted to full back a position he would have dominated for the next 8 seasons atleast. Viper has selected a Tyrone team mainly consistent of ulster winners. Morgan ahead of pascal lol no mistakes against monaghan he's due three the next day.. Consistency is key.

    Hub over Col Cavanagh? Collie sitting pretty with an AI, 3 Ulster and 2 All-Stars in two different positions. No chance Kevin Hughes gets in over Colm. No. Chance.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: viperhiggins on August 13, 2021, 06:18:00 AM
    Quote from: redzone on August 12, 2021, 10:44:14 PM
    Good laugh that. A few points.
    Sluddens not playing for Dromore, mcrory completely done as is P Kane.
    Mugsy did indeed play half forward in his first year and was damn good at it in a few games.
    Hard to believe people would have packie in ahead of Morgan. A man tha wore  rugby boots to kick the ball out with. Brilliant shot stopper thou.
    From my memory I think Art brought in Hub, Cormac, Philly, Mcguigan, Oneill, Mugsy into the panel in 02. Maybe a few more? Probably Mccrossan as well. Tyrone were so exciting to watch around that time with it all building up to the win in 03. Clones used to be jam packed at championship games and the Tyrone support was mental. Very vocal as well. Compare the Monaghan support at the ulster final to Tyrone support. It was embarrassing, hardly a whimper out the Tyrone contingent, those that bothered to travel.

    Its a shame someone would use Cormac to try and troll on here but I suppose everyone has there flaws.
    There is grt clip on youtube I seen, against Cavan around 02/03 of him dunting Dermot Mccabe in mid air with his hips and catching the ball. The ref unbelievably gave a free to Cavan. He immediately set the ball down on the ground, they kicked it in long straight away and reilly got a goal. That's how honest a player he was. No shite with him. What a role model. What he achieved from 97 to 04 with Tyrone was unreal. A true legend

    https://youtu.be/GtQjGwTUYKM

    McAnallen true Gael. Played with his heart on his sleeve. But, what's fair is fair and he misses out on my 2000s team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on August 13, 2021, 10:30:02 AM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 13, 2021, 06:07:34 AM
    Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on August 12, 2021, 05:42:33 PM
    Quote from: viperhiggins on August 12, 2021, 05:05:18 PM
    All valid opinions, in hindsight I would maybe put S. O'Neill in for McShane. I think the physicality of today's game S. O'Neill's skill would not do nearly as much damage as if you put C. McShane into an 03 AI final. He would annihilate everything in his path. Colm McCullagh is a certainty in this time - the amount of times he has dragged Tyrone to wins is insane. O'Neill only played well when the team played well. McCullagh was one of if not THE most consistent player for Tyrone in the past 20 years with the exception of Sean Cavanagh of course.

    McAnallen isn't near it either. I included him in the honourable mentions for his legacy not his football.

    When I seen Morgan and mccrory left me baffled, is that justy or Joe in full back.. Has colly cavanagh in midfield ahead of hub Hughes. Richie donnelly ahead of Ger Cavlan (most naturally gifted and underrated footballers in Ireland)
    You have selected mugsy in Wing half forward never seen mugsy play a senior game there ever, sure played a little youth there wouldn't have the work rate or legs for half forward. No mcguigan who pulled the strings in the naughties everything went through Brian, free kick outside 50 ball set down for mcguigan team of the decade. If your putting mcshane in for his one season wonder an honorable mention would then have to go to Ryan Mellon. Mcshane would annihilate seamus moynihan, you know they don't make them like they use too. Only thing I do agree with you is the stevie o Neill debate, mccullagg hardly kicked a ball for Tyrone because of his soccer allegiance, imo mccurry is better than mccullagh.. Mcanallens legacy, Tyrone found a 6'3 midfielder converted to full back a position he would have dominated for the next 8 seasons atleast. Viper has selected a Tyrone team mainly consistent of ulster winners. Morgan ahead of pascal lol no mistakes against monaghan he's due three the next day.. Consistency is key.

    Hub over Col Cavanagh? Collie sitting pretty with an AI, 3 Ulster and 2 All-Stars in two different positions. No chance Kevin Hughes gets in over Colm. No. Chance.

    Hubs intensity in the tackle his strength, being able to hit men and stay on his feet, hub was MOM in ulster final 2003,played 05, Colly got three minutes in full forward in 08.. Teams mentality got colly his two all stars, not his football ability. Call a spade a spade.  Kerry scored a total 6 points in 03, in order to be regarded as the greatest you have to beat the greatest.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 13, 2021, 11:29:06 AM
    anyone who thinks Viper is being serious with that team and is taking him on about it, is as stupid and embarrassing as he is
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on August 14, 2021, 06:58:03 AM
    I'm amazed how many people reacted. 😂
    Great win for minors though I'd be worried at the amount of wides they kicked.
    2012 the last time we won Ulster.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on August 14, 2021, 07:06:49 AM
    Congratulations alright to the minors, esp the proud Dad on here,!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 07:41:54 AM
    The future is bright.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on August 14, 2021, 09:09:04 AM
    Excellent performance by the young lads, would have been some score if theyd brought the shooting boots. Seems to be a great spirit amongst the team and management. Cork will be a serious step up but great to have a minor title again after a relatively quiet few years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on August 14, 2021, 09:11:23 AM
    Any update on the ticket situation., know of 3 families in our club still not sorted, still no correspondence from croke park or ticket master 5 days after initial allocations..Garvaghy playing the nothing to do with us card despite them collecting all names and liaising with croke park
    Think the families have decided their not going now
    An absolute shambles
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 14, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
    Richie Donnelly shouldn't even get on the current Tyrone team never mind be near the discussion for best of 2000s. Hasn't done anything of note in his career yet.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on August 14, 2021, 01:03:41 PM
    Tyrone aren't fielding. Statement below.

    This morning, the Tyrone GAA Management Committee has decided that it is not in a position to field its senior football team in the rescheduled All-Ireland football championship semifinal in Croke Park, on next Saturday.
    Having received expert medical opinion on the existing, and future health and welfare of the players who contracted the Covid19 virus during the period of this last two weeks, and following consultation with the team's management, this decision has been made with the greatest reluctance, and with deep regret.
    It is acknowledged that the decision taken will cause major disappointment and significant inconvenience for the Association, in general, the GAA fraternity of Kerry, and especially for Tyrone's patrons and supporters, but the welfare and safety of players has been the over-riding factor in all considerations of this difficult situation.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on August 14, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
    Poor choice..... can this now be known as the rusty keggate
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on August 14, 2021, 05:44:43 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on August 14, 2021, 06:58:03 AM
    I'm amazed how many people reacted. 😂
    Great win for minors though I'd be worried at the amount of wides they kicked.
    2012 the last time we won Ulster.

    Won it in 2018, when it was first a U17 competition - I think I am correct
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 14, 2021, 06:51:09 PM
    You're right  of course milhailov

    Despite widespread false reporting, we hammered cavan in the inaugural u17 ulster final of 2017

    Our victorious team included senior panelists Darragh Canavan, Cormac Munroe & Michael Conroy. As well as former senior panelist Mattie Murnaghan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 14, 2021, 06:55:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 14, 2021, 06:51:09 PM
    You're right  of course milhailov

    Despite widespread false reporting, we hammered cavan in the inaugural u17 ulster final of 2017

    Our victorious team included senior panelists Darragh Canavan, Cormac Munroe & Michael Conroy. As well as former senior panelist Mattie Murnaghan

    Dunno if that counted though.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on August 14, 2021, 10:06:57 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on August 14, 2021, 09:09:04 AM
    Excellent performance by the young lads, would have been some score if theyd brought the shooting boots. Seems to be a great spirit amongst the team and management. Cork will be a serious step up but great to have a minor title again after a relatively quiet few years.

    Seems like a very good minor team but to say it has been a quiet few years is not 100% accurate. In terms of trophies it is but last years team (competition finished in 2021) only lost to eventual All Ireland winners Derry by 1 point - it could as easily have been Tyrone who won that game but Derry were just slightly better in last 5 minutes. The 2018 team won the ulster U17 competition so that is 2 wins in 4 years, not bad for a 'relatively quiet few years'
    I expect this years team to win it outright, a good TEAM with some good individuals but the team appears to take priority. They will be hard to beat for sure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Windmill abu on August 15, 2021, 07:18:40 PM
    Tyrone V Kerry back on. Re fixed for 28th August.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on August 15, 2021, 07:31:50 PM
    Quote from: Windmill abu on August 15, 2021, 07:18:40 PM
    Tyrone V Kerry back on. Re fixed for 28th August.

    What's craic for a ticket?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on August 17, 2021, 08:04:07 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 14, 2021, 10:06:57 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on August 14, 2021, 09:09:04 AM
    Excellent performance by the young lads, would have been some score if theyd brought the shooting boots. Seems to be a great spirit amongst the team and management. Cork will be a serious step up but great to have a minor title again after a relatively quiet few years.

    Seems like a very good minor team but to say it has been a quiet few years is not 100% accurate. In terms of trophies it is but last years team (competition finished in 2021) only lost to eventual All Ireland winners Derry by 1 point - it could as easily have been Tyrone who won that game but Derry were just slightly better in last 5 minutes. The 2018 team won the ulster U17 competition so that is 2 wins in 4 years, not bad for a 'relatively quiet few years'
    I expect this years team to win it outright, a good TEAM with some good individuals but the team appears to take priority. They will be hard to beat for sure.
    Why ? Have you seen Meath, Cork and Sligo ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on August 17, 2021, 10:32:34 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on August 15, 2021, 07:31:50 PM
    Quote from: Windmill abu on August 15, 2021, 07:18:40 PM
    Tyrone V Kerry back on. Re fixed for 28th August.

    What's craic for a ticket?
    They were still in my gaa ticketmaster account. Although they had given me more tickets than I had applied for so just used the reporting method to inform them of this and was rectified within 30 mins
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 21, 2021, 06:59:11 PM
    Tyrone will play Meath in the Electric Ireland All-Ireland Minor Final following a comprehensive victory over Cork at Bord na Mona O'Connor Park in Offaly yesterday afternoon.

    The Ulster champions were in control from start to finish and the margin of victory would have been greater but for the performance of Cork keeper Daniel Walsh, who made five outstanding saves over the course of the hour.

    Despite playing against the wind, Tyrone dominated the first half to lead 0-10 to 0-3. They could have been further ahead only for Walsh denying Shea O'Hare from the penalty spot, one of three outstanding first-half saves.

    Eoin McElholm opened the scoring in the third minute with a well-taken point before half-back Hugh Cunningham doubled their advantage from a free on the right wing. Hugh O'Connor then opened Cork's account in the ninth minute from a free.

    Ronan Cassidy knocked over a Tyrone free and the same player then added a good score from play before Gavin Potter was denied by Walsh.

    Cormac Devlin and O'Connor swapped points before Walsh came to Cork's rescue again, this time saving from Cassidy. McElholm then pushed Tyrone four clear before Potter was fouled for that penalty in the 20th minute.

    O'Connor won a free which he converted himself but that proved to be Cork's last score of the opening period. Tyrone midfielder Ruairi McHugh curled over a beauty before Cunningham converted another free. Tyrone were well on top at this stage and they had the final say of the half through Ronan Strain to leave them well in control.

    O'Connor opened the second-half scoring for the Munster champions but any thoughts of a comeback were soon quashed. Half-time substitute Conor Owens pointed from a free as well as from play as Tyrone continued to dominate.

    The superb McElholm added a couple of points with keeper Walsh saving twice from Cassidy.

    Owens, Strain, McElholm and substitute Jack Martin all tagged on points as a rampant Tyrone kept the scoreboard ticking over.

    Cork substitute Dylan Crowley bundled in a consolation goal but Tyrone responded through Cassidy and Martin on a day when they had eight different scorers.

    Tyrone: N Robinson, M Rafferty, R Fox, C Kelly, H Cunningham (0-2, 2F), S O'Hare, M Mallon, R Donnelly, R McHugh (0-1), R Strain (0-2), C Devlin (0-1), G Potter, R Cassidy (0-5, 3F), P McCann, E McElholm (0-5). Subs: C Owens (0-4, 3F) for McCann, N Grimes for Potter, B Hampsey for Fox, J Martin (0-3) for Strain, B Hughes for O'Hare

    Cork: D Walsh, D Twomey, S O'Connell, P O'Grady, S Copps, C Twomey, D O'Brien, M McSweeney, R O'Shaughnessy, J O'Neill, N Kelly, C Gillespie, L O'Herlihy, J O'Driscoll, H O'Connor (0-4, 3F). Subs: F Crowley for McSweeney, J Cunningham for Kelly, O Corcoran for O'Herlihy, D Crowley (1-1) for Gillespie, A Kelleher (0-1) for O'Brien

    Referee: B Tiernan, Dublin
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 06:34:19 PM
    I watched the Meath Sligo game with keen interest because I'm longer living in Sligo now than what I was in Strabane so would have a soft spot for Sligo and a few of our club men were in the Sligo team. Infairness Meath had them we'll beat and if it wasn't for the red card they would have probably been out of sight. I don't know what the Meath lad got the second yellow for, I must have missed it. Meath looked a strong team with some big powerful lads and some really rapid runners.

    With Tyrone it's really hard to know, the Ulster final was barely a game and do we know if Cork just had a really really off day or were Tyrone miles better. Like without the Cork keeper it would have been a cricket score.

    You'd be expecting Tyrone to win now after having seen both finals but with kids it's never that easy. Just great to see them playing some really positive football and look so composed (unless going for goal :) )
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on August 23, 2021, 07:21:43 PM
    As good as the Cork keeper was Tyrone really should have had a further goal or two.  Only criticism from an excellent performance.
    I thought Meath looked excellent defensively or maybe sligo were poor offensively.  Hard to know. 
    Based on both games though you'd have to make Tyrone strong favourites. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 07:56:28 PM
    Aye the last two chances in particular were gilt edged chances that you expect top young players to bury but in fairness to the lad he was out and made himself as big as possible.

    Tyrone and taking good goal chances at all levels has been a problem for years. The last boy I would have called a pure goal scorer was Ronan O'Neil. You'd back him 1v1 all the time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 08:56:38 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 07:56:28 PM
    Aye the last two chances in particular were gilt edged chances that you expect top young players to bury but in fairness to the lad he was out and made himself as big as possible.

    Tyrone and taking good goal chances at all levels has been a problem for years. The last boy I would have called a pure goal scorer was Ronan O'Neil. You'd back him 1v1 all the time.

    I wonder if it is how they are being coached at a young age? You are spot on about tyrone and goal scores. Since the likes of Owen and stevie left tyrone have a poor goal ratio. The top teams always go for goal where we seem to play the safe option and go for the point.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 09:11:43 PM
    We do look like an extremely "coached" county if you know what I mean. All players excellent at running the ball, retaining possession, accurate passing, soloing, point taking. All the real coachable skills of the game. We have lacked some of the things that could maybe be harder to coach, high fielding and importantly pure goal scorers instinct. Dublin kinda score a lot of their goals through pulling teams apart like only they can at the moment, Kerry and Mayo tend to get goals through more individual direct play.

    I could of course be talking utter shit

    I've not seen anything like enough of him but what about Canavan?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 10:30:27 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 09:11:43 PM
    We do look like an extremely "coached" county if you know what I mean. All players excellent at running the ball, retaining possession, accurate passing, soloing, point taking. All the real coachable skills of the game. We have lacked some of the things that could maybe be harder to coach, high fielding and importantly pure goal scorers instinct. Dublin kinda score a lot of their goals through pulling teams apart like only they can at the moment, Kerry and Mayo tend to get goals through more individual direct play.

    I could of course be talking utter shit

    I've not seen anything like enough of him but what about Canavan?

    I agree with what you are saying, seems the downside of being a well coached well drilled side is that we lose the natural flare some players have. Reading a few of the tyrone players books from the 00s and they all said the same thing. They trusted themselves to change the game on the pitch as they saw fit. If they saw a game plan not working they went ahead and changed it.

    Sean said in his book that the big games against Dublin when it was clear the game plan was not working they still had to stick to it. He said if that was the team of the 00s they would have just went ahead and changed it regardless of management.

    Seems that with too much coaching players lose the ability to think for themselves, instead they rely solely on the game plan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 23, 2021, 10:35:01 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 06:34:19 PM
    I watched the Meath Sligo game with keen interest because I'm longer living in Sligo now than what I was in Strabane so would have a soft spot for Sligo and a few of our club men were in the Sligo team. Infairness Meath had them we'll beat and if it wasn't for the red card they would have probably been out of sight. I don't know what the Meath lad got the second yellow for, I must have missed it. Meath looked a strong team with some big powerful lads and some really rapid runners.

    With Tyrone it's really hard to know, the Ulster final was barely a game and do we know if Cork just had a really really off day or were Tyrone miles better. Like without the Cork keeper it would have been a cricket score.

    You'd be expecting Tyrone to win now after having seen both finals but with kids it's never that easy. Just great to see them playing some really positive football and look so composed (unless going for goal :) )

    Trying to figure out how many Strabane men I know in Sligo and I only got three. Two from Carlton Drive and one from Carrick Strand.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 10:40:36 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 23, 2021, 10:35:01 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 06:34:19 PM
    I watched the Meath Sligo game with keen interest because I'm longer living in Sligo now than what I was in Strabane so would have a soft spot for Sligo and a few of our club men were in the Sligo team. Infairness Meath had them we'll beat and if it wasn't for the red card they would have probably been out of sight. I don't know what the Meath lad got the second yellow for, I must have missed it. Meath looked a strong team with some big powerful lads and some really rapid runners.

    With Tyrone it's really hard to know, the Ulster final was barely a game and do we know if Cork just had a really really off day or were Tyrone miles better. Like without the Cork keeper it would have been a cricket score.

    You'd be expecting Tyrone to win now after having seen both finals but with kids it's never that easy. Just great to see them playing some really positive football and look so composed (unless going for goal :) )

    Trying to figure out how many Strabane men I know in Sligo and I only got three. Two from Carlton Drive and one from Carrick Strand.

    I'm one of the three alright I'd say
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on August 23, 2021, 11:17:17 PM
    No Ballycolmaners or Lisnafiners!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on August 24, 2021, 08:48:32 AM
    Hi all
    Do any of ye have any spare premium tickets for this Sat or even better a premium exchange membership login to their website to buy more tickets.
    Basically I'm bringing my three sons but currently have two Hogan Premium tickets and two upper Cusack 707 but kids not keen to sit apart.
    If anyone can help pm me or WhatsApp me on 0872430326.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on August 25, 2021, 12:10:04 PM
    Tyrone are 12/1 to win the AI. Worth a punt at that amount. Nobody must be betting. I remember them being 33/1 when they stumbled across the line against Westmeath in '08.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on August 25, 2021, 02:02:54 PM
    1200/1 should be the odds going on how covid recovery saps the energy out of your body.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on August 25, 2021, 02:35:07 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on August 25, 2021, 12:10:04 PM
    Tyrone are 12/1 to win the AI. Worth a punt at that amount. Nobody must be betting. I remember them being 33/1 when they stumbled across the line against Westmeath in '08.

    I stuck a £10er on them at 20/1 when it looked like they had conceded a few weeks ago. Like you said, worth a small punt.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on August 27, 2021, 09:09:07 AM
    V hard to tell with the way covid has hit but

    Morgan
    Hampsey
    Mcnamee
    Mckernan
    Sludden
    Oneill
    Harte
    Burns or Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Mcgeary
    Bradley
    Meyler
    Mccurry
    Donnelly
    McKenna
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 27, 2021, 09:31:39 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on August 27, 2021, 09:09:07 AM
    V hard to tell with the way covid has hit but

    Morgan
    Hampsey
    Mcnamee
    Mckernan
    Sludden
    Oneill
    Harte
    Burns or Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Mcgeary
    Bradley
    Meyler
    Mccurry
    Donnelly
    McKenna
    Rory Brennan has to start, hopefully at the expense in that team off McKernan. He's a mistake waiting to happen.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 27, 2021, 10:18:26 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 27, 2021, 09:31:39 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on August 27, 2021, 09:09:07 AM
    V hard to tell with the way covid has hit but

    Morgan
    Hampsey
    Mcnamee
    Mckernan
    Sludden
    Oneill
    Harte
    Burns or Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Mcgeary
    Bradley
    Meyler
    Mccurry
    Donnelly
    McKenna
    Rory Brennan has to start, hopefully at the expense in that team off McKernan. He's a mistake waiting to happen.

    If Michael o'neill starts tomorrow i'm getting up off my seat and leaving after the minor game. HE CAN'T START, i can't believe some people believe he is capable of playing at 6 in an all-ireland semi final.

    and before people come at me with pitch forks, im not running any player down behind a screen, he's an excellent club player but he is definitely not of standard to start for tyrone tomorrow or at any other stage this year should he have played.

    would be surprised to see Bradley at 11 but could happen. as you say it really depends on how bad covid has hit certain players, as i heard one of the players you have named in that team was in hospital for a while and lost a stone weight. not surprising considering the rumours around 90% of the team refusing the vaccine
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 27, 2021, 11:29:33 AM
    I wouldn't be starting Brennan on this occasion either, feel like so many players are going to be assigned marking jobs so need McCann's ball carrying skills.


    Would be going

    Morgan

    Hampsey
    McNamee
    McKernan

    McCann
    Burns
    Harte

    Kennedy
    Conn

    Meyler
    Sludden
    McGeary

    McCurry
    Donnelly
    McKenna

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 27, 2021, 12:47:27 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 27, 2021, 11:29:33 AM
    I wouldn't be starting Brennan on this occasion either, feel like so many players are going to be assigned marking jobs so need McCann's ball carrying skills.


    Would be going

    Morgan

    Hampsey
    McNamee
    McKernan

    McCann
    Burns
    Harte

    Kennedy
    Conn

    Meyler
    Sludden
    McGeary

    McCurry
    Donnelly
    McKenna

    I would keep mckenn on the bench. Seems to perform better when used as a sub. Let him come on for last 20 mins and really stretch the kerry defence
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on August 27, 2021, 01:48:31 PM
    I see Tyrone Seniors are 5/1 tomorrow but what proce are the minors? Couldn't find that anywhere
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 27, 2021, 01:49:26 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on August 27, 2021, 01:48:31 PM
    I see Tyrone Seniors are 5/1 tomorrow but what proce are the minors? Couldn't find that anywhere

    think it's illegal to bet on under 17's
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on August 27, 2021, 11:12:36 PM
    My team would be as follows

                              1.morgan
    2.mckernan.    3.hampsey.   4.j.munroe
    5.mckenna.     6.harte.       7.sludden

               8kilpatrick.    9.kennedy

    10.mcgeary.      11.burns.   12.meyler
    13.mccurry.       14.m.donnelly.  15.mcshane

    Team has lack of height espc in full back line, play first 15-20,  see how it goes drop matty into sweeper, keeping the goals out is crucial.. Been saying all year mckenna has to play half back, played cameo at 5 but is little naive.. Seen too much of mccann at 5 with no dividends. Can play crucial role from bench. Dropped mcnamee because of kerrys agility and speed in full forward and he's cart horse in croker.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Theshooter on August 28, 2021, 09:44:59 AM
    Quote from: Onionbag_82 on August 28, 2021, 09:43:30 AM
    Quote from: TopOfTheRight13 on August 27, 2021, 11:12:36 PM
    My team would be as follows

                              1.morgan
    2.mckernan.    3.hampsey.   4.j.munroe
    5.mckenna.     6.harte.       7.sludden

               8kilpatrick.    9.kennedy

    10.mcgeary.      11.burns.   12.meyler
    13.mccurry.       14.m.donnelly.  15.mcshane

    Team has lack of height espc in full back line, play first 15-20,  see how it goes drop matty into sweeper, keeping the goals out is crucial.. Been saying all year mckenna has to play half back, played cameo at 5 but is little naive.. Seen too much of mccann at 5 with no dividends. Can play crucial role from bench. Dropped mcnamee because of kerrys agility and speed in full forward and he's cart horse in croker.

    For me, and for the goal threat alone, RONAN ONEILL HAS TO START

    Ronan O'Neill welcome to the board
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2021, 10:17:45 AM
    Safe travel to all.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 28, 2021, 02:59:57 PM
    The Monday Herald Heroes
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on August 28, 2021, 05:50:44 PM
    Petition for Spillane to be removed from rte, lives in the past talking about 86 before the game... Alzheimers
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 06:14:16 PM
    Fuckin boom!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Gaafan2 on August 28, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
    Great win, brilliant performances all over the field. I find it hard forget the abuse Kieran Mcgeary got on this message board just a few short months ago yet he's a contender for footballer of the year now ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on August 28, 2021, 07:42:30 PM
    Meyler and McGeary are different players, that performance had Doohers attitude slapped all over it. One of the sweetest Tyrone victories, but it will be forgot about if we don't bury Mayo, mighty few weeks ahead
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2021, 08:35:32 PM
    The roundabout at Strabane will get the makeover by tomorrow. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 01:10:14 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.

    Agree on McGeary being amazing. Disagree on the disrespect to Gavin Devlin.  Despite your anonymity it's safe to assume Gavin has contributed significantly more to Tyrone football than you have.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on August 29, 2021, 07:15:27 AM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 01:10:14 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.

    Agree on McGeary being amazing. Disagree on the disrespect to Gavin Devlin.  Despite your anonymity it's safe to assume Gavin has contributed significantly more to Tyrone football than you have.
    safe to say Tyrone football has contributed significantly more to Gavin's bank account than it has mine.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on August 29, 2021, 08:29:38 AM
    Gavin would need to teach his son to pass the ball
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on August 29, 2021, 09:21:37 AM
    That was a magnificent performance,   and result  , superb
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:46:25 AM
    Obv seniors overshadow the minor result but by f**k they missed some chances. Very very poor decision making in last 5 mins. Poorly coached? Panicked? Don't know what it was but Jesus it was infuriating. One left behind for sure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:50:59 AM
    Clear that Harte had been holding this team and Tyrone football back. Cost us at least 5 all Ireland's. We're probably 20 years behind we're we should be. Logan and Dooher making up the ground now thankfully.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Gaafan2 on August 29, 2021, 09:53:31 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on August 29, 2021, 08:29:38 AM
    Gavin would need to teach his son to pass the ball

    No doubt he's a very talented footballer but he should be told to lay the ball off to the shooters. His wide count over the course of the championship is unforgivable.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on August 29, 2021, 01:01:58 PM
    It's been a recurring theme on this forum for a while that personal abuse of players goes unpunished. During the match yesterday I noticed a comment in this thread about an individual player and reported it to a mod.  There seems to be a set of posters, some with multiple accounts who are continually posting abuse. The best way to deal with it is to report.

    I am not saying criticism of individuals is wrong but the campaigns of abuse against players outside of footballing matters has gotten out of hand.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on August 29, 2021, 01:08:39 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 29, 2021, 01:01:58 PM
    It's been a recurring theme on this forum for a while that personal abuse of players goes unpunished. During the match yesterday I noticed a comment in this thread about an individual player and reported it to a mod.  There seems to be a set of posters, some with multiple accounts who are continually posting abuse. The best way to deal with it is to report.

    I am not saying criticism of individuals is wrong but the campaigns of abuse against players outside of footballing matters has gotten out of hand.

    Imagine there was posters on here slagging off Kieran McGeary and he's now outright favourite with the bookies to win footballer of the year. The mind boggles with how blinkered some lads can be.
    Kieran McGeary
    4/1
    Matthew Ruane
    11/2
    Ryan O'Donoghue
    13/2
    Padraig O'Hora
    7/1
    Tommy Conroy
    10/1
    Lee Keegan
    11/1
    Matthew Donnelly
    12/1
    Paudie Clifford
    12/1
    Patrick Durcan
    14/1
    David Clifford
    16/1
    Peter Harte
    16/1
    Darren Mccurry
    16/1
    Niall Morgan
    20/1
    Oisin Mullen
    25/1
    Aidan O'Shea
    25/1
    Conor Meyler
    25/1
    Diarmuid O'Connor (Mayo)
    33/1
    Conor McKenna
    33/1
    Ronan McNamee
    33/1
    Cathal McShane
    40/1
    Frank Burns
    40/1
    Eoghan McLaughlin
    50/1
    Darragh Canavan
    50/1
    Paul Geaney
    66/1
    Kevin Mcloughlin
    100/1
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on August 29, 2021, 02:02:44 PM
    I think God was being a bit of a cute hoor talking down Tyrone, or maybe he wanted to give the players extra motivation. I think the 15 that started in 2005 were one of the best to ever play the game, but I don't think there was the same depth of options as now. I think it was a bit harsh for Canavan to say only 2 or 3 players would make that team. I think there are a good 20 players who could have slotted in to the 2005 team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:50:59 AM
    Clear that Harte had been holding this team and Tyrone football back. Cost us at least 5 all Ireland's. We're probably 20 years behind we're we should be. Logan and Dooher making up the ground now thankfully.

    What are the 5 all irelands he cost us? What do you mean we are 20 years behind?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 29, 2021, 02:26:26 PM
    Serious work needed on kick outs following that game. Was clear as day after the first 10 mins that belting it down the middle was not working. Tyrone gave kerry all their own kick outs and lost the majority of their own. Jim mcguinness even said they need to pull all tyrones to one side of the pitch to mix up the kick out strategy. Clearly going down the middle wasn't working so why did they persist with it.

    On another note as soon as Morgan misses one free he should stop taking them. Anytime he misses his confidence is gone and he ends up missing majority of the rest. Lee brennan is a top free taker so he should be brought on more. Guaranteed a few points each match from frees from him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on August 29, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
    Re the kickouts. Perhaps conceding the opposition kickouts and not pressing reserves energy and was one of the reasons tyrone seemed fitter at the end compared to kerry. This was deliberate.


    I agree though more work needs done on our own kickout strategy. Sometimes in the past Morgan has been brilliant but was hit and miss yesterday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2021, 02:43:16 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:50:59 AM
    Clear that Harte had been holding this team and Tyrone football back. Cost us at least 5 all Ireland's. We're probably 20 years behind we're we should be. Logan and Dooher making up the ground now thankfully.

    Gotta love newbies. Lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 03:43:21 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2021, 07:15:27 AM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 01:10:14 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.

    Agree on McGeary being amazing. Disagree on the disrespect to Gavin Devlin.  Despite your anonymity it's safe to assume Gavin has contributed significantly more to Tyrone football than you have.
    safe to say Tyrone football has contributed significantly more to Gavin's bank account than it has mine.

    Did you coach Tyrone? Why would Tyrone contribute to your bank account?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 29, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 29, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
    Re the kickouts. Perhaps conceding the opposition kickouts and not pressing reserves energy and was one of the reasons tyrone seemed fitter at the end compared to kerry. This was deliberate.


    I agree though more work needs done on our own kickout strategy. Sometimes in the past Morgan has been brilliant but was hit and miss yesterday.

    Literally a game of 2 half's for him.

    Any word on why Lee brennan has never had any game time year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 29, 2021, 04:04:30 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 29, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
    Re the kickouts. Perhaps conceding the opposition kickouts and not pressing reserves energy and was one of the reasons tyrone seemed fitter at the end compared to kerry. This was deliberate.


    I agree though more work needs done on our own kickout strategy. Sometimes in the past Morgan has been brilliant but was hit and miss yesterday.

    Agree with this. With the CV issues, the short kick out and working it up the field all day would've been madness.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: delgany on August 29, 2021, 04:33:03 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 29, 2021, 04:04:30 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 29, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
    Re the kickouts. Perhaps conceding the opposition kickouts and not pressing reserves energy and was one of the reasons tyrone seemed fitter at the end compared to kerry. This was deliberate.


    I agree though more work needs done on our own kickout strategy. Sometimes in the past Morgan has been brilliant but was hit and miss yesterday.

    Agree with this. With the CV issues, the short kick out and working it up the field all day would've been madness.

    Kerry really pushed up & squeezed Tyrone kick outs, short options very limited. NM only option was to kick as long as he could . Kerry won a lot of breaking ball, that reflects more on the Midfield/ HF. Sometimes , I think , People expect NM to run out and catch the kick outs as well !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: barelegs on August 29, 2021, 04:58:43 PM
    In the first half, Tyrone were clearly trying to go long and win the breaks when going down the middle. Morgan was putting the ball on the money, the ball was being broken but Kerry were first to everything. The bit of success he did have in the opening half was isolating Kilpatrick and Kennedy on the wings and they were able to win their own ball one on one.

    In the second half he took a few chances shorter and they didn't always come off. Something to work ahead of Mayo. You can be sure James Horan was taking plenty of notes.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 29, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
    Quote from: delgany on August 29, 2021, 04:33:03 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 29, 2021, 04:04:30 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 29, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
    Re the kickouts. Perhaps conceding the opposition kickouts and not pressing reserves energy and was one of the reasons tyrone seemed fitter at the end compared to kerry. This was deliberate.


    I agree though more work needs done on our own kickout strategy. Sometimes in the past Morgan has been brilliant but was hit and miss yesterday.

    Agree with this. With the CV issues, the short kick out and working it up the field all day would've been madness.

    Kerry really pushed up & squeezed Tyrone kick outs, short options very limited. NM only option was to kick as long as he could . Kerry won a lot of breaking ball, that reflects more on the Midfield/ HF. Sometimes , I think , People expect NM to run out and catch the kick outs as well !

    I agree the keeper and only do so much but as Jim mcguinness said go out wide sometimes. Kerry won nearly every ball that was kicked down the middle. Time after time tyrone kicked the ball down the middle. If the MF isn't winning the ball then move the kick outs to the wings
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: delgany on August 29, 2021, 07:03:02 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
    Quote from: delgany on August 29, 2021, 04:33:03 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 29, 2021, 04:04:30 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 29, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
    Re the kickouts. Perhaps conceding the opposition kickouts and not pressing reserves energy and was one of the reasons tyrone seemed fitter at the end compared to kerry. This was deliberate.


    I agree though more work needs done on our own kickout strategy. Sometimes in the past Morgan has been brilliant but was hit and miss yesterday.

    Agree with this. With the CV issues, the short kick out and working it up the field all day would've been madness.

    Kerry really pushed up & squeezed Tyrone kick outs, short options very limited. NM only option was to kick as long as he could . Kerry won a lot of breaking ball, that reflects more on the Midfield/ HF. Sometimes , I think , People expect NM to run out and catch the kick outs as well !

    I agree the keeper and only do so much but as Jim mcguinness said go out wide sometimes. Kerry won nearly every ball that was kicked down the middle. Time after time tyrone kicked the ball down the middle. If the MF isn't winning the ball then move the kick outs to the wings

    Kicking to the wings is tough, need a clear one on one, with a height mis match for good measure.Its a killer hitting it out over the sideline !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 30, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
    Quote from: Thastheball on August 29, 2021, 10:29:42 AM
    Read on this thread I think of one poster giving Michael O Neill a hard time, couldn't see anything he offered the Tyrone team. Have to call this clown out 🤡 O'Neill put in some shift yesterday, major blocks and two serious body tackles on Kerry players close to goals. Fist pumping passion from him. He made the poster on here look brain dead

    myself, thanks for calling me out - made a few good body tackles is right, one particularly sticks out in my mind.

    stand by a lot of what i said - he won't start the final, if he does then i'll agree with you about me being brain dead
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: StPatsAbu on August 30, 2021, 11:36:52 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2021, 07:15:27 AM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 01:10:14 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.

    Agree on McGeary being amazing. Disagree on the disrespect to Gavin Devlin.  Despite your anonymity it's safe to assume Gavin has contributed significantly more to Tyrone football than you have.
    safe to say Tyrone football has contributed significantly more to Gavin's bank account than it has mine.

    If talking thru your hole incurred expenses you'd be minted.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 30, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 30, 2021, 11:36:52 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2021, 07:15:27 AM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 01:10:14 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.

    Agree on McGeary being amazing. Disagree on the disrespect to Gavin Devlin.  Despite your anonymity it's safe to assume Gavin has contributed significantly more to Tyrone football than you have.
    safe to say Tyrone football has contributed significantly more to Gavin's bank account than it has mine.

    If talking thru your hole incurred expenses you'd be minted.

    Once I was made aware that STG is actually a Fermanagh man living in Tyrone I just ignored all his silly  posts
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on August 30, 2021, 01:12:08 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 30, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 30, 2021, 11:36:52 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2021, 07:15:27 AM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 01:10:14 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.

    Agree on McGeary being amazing. Disagree on the disrespect to Gavin Devlin.  Despite your anonymity it's safe to assume Gavin has contributed significantly more to Tyrone football than you have.
    safe to say Tyrone football has contributed significantly more to Gavin's bank account than it has mine.

    If talking thru your hole incurred expenses you'd be minted.

    Once I was made aware that STG is actually a Fermanagh man living in Tyrone I just ignored all his silly  posts
    guess I've been proved right about Harte and Devlin! Bluffer's held Tyrone back. Onwards and upwards yes! So satisfying.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 30, 2021, 02:23:10 PM
    Quote from: Thastheball on August 30, 2021, 02:05:18 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on August 30, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
    Quote from: Thastheball on August 29, 2021, 10:29:42 AM
    Read on this thread I think of one poster giving Michael O Neill a hard time, couldn't see anything he offered the Tyrone team. Have to call this clown out 🤡 O'Neill put in some shift yesterday, major blocks and two serious body tackles on Kerry players close to goals. Fist pumping passion from him. He made the poster on here look brain dead

    myself, thanks for calling me out - made a few good body tackles is right, one particularly sticks out in my mind.

    stand by a lot of what i said - he won't start the final, if he does then i'll agree with you about me being brain dead

    Unfortunately it's obvious your brain dead re the footie, after that performance on Saturday he'll be starting. Sure if your that certain he won't be, I'll bet you come clean on who you are if your wrong?

    *cathal mc shane enters the chat* we can talk about this in 2 weeks time once the games over sure and we see he didn't start  :-*
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on August 30, 2021, 02:58:36 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 30, 2021, 01:12:08 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 30, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 30, 2021, 11:36:52 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 29, 2021, 07:15:27 AM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 01:10:14 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on August 28, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.

    Agree on McGeary being amazing. Disagree on the disrespect to Gavin Devlin.  Despite your anonymity it's safe to assume Gavin has contributed significantly more to Tyrone football than you have.
    safe to say Tyrone football has contributed significantly more to Gavin's bank account than it has mine.

    If talking thru your hole incurred expenses you'd be minted.

    Once I was made aware that STG is actually a Fermanagh man living in Tyrone I just ignored all his silly  posts
    guess I've been proved right about Harte and Devlin! Bluffer's held Tyrone back. Onwards and upwards yes! So satisfying.

    Don't kid yourself STG, this is still Mickey Harte's team and squad, he moulded all these player's don't forget.  I firmly believe Tyrone would be in an Ireland final today if MH was still at the helm, it was only a matter of time before this group of players beat one of the other big 4 in Croke Park.  Dooher and Logie have done a very good job this year but MH has left them an oven ready all Ireland competing squad.  Its not like when Alex Ferguson handed over the batton to David Moyes at Manchester United for goodness sake.  All they had to do is carry on what is being done and the Logie and Dooher have done that to a tee. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 03:41:29 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:50:59 AM
    Clear that Harte had been holding this team and Tyrone football back. Cost us at least 5 all Ireland's. We're probably 20 years behind we're we should be. Logan and Dooher making up the ground now thankfully.

    What are the 5 all irelands he cost us? What do you mean we are 20 years behind?

    A blind goat could've won an AI with the 03 team. We lost serious chances in 04, 06, 07 and then we should've won one from 2009 until 2012. Harte hadn't a notion. Those AI's were won in spite of him not because of him. Even his son got an AI medal in 03. That group were that good that they could carry him when he couldn't get a place in the EC team.
    From 2010 until last year Harte held that team back. He didn't trust them and they didn't trust him. The CB basically had to sack him to get him to leave, he didn't even have the cop out to go himself. I was scundered for him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 30, 2021, 04:39:37 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 03:41:29 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
    Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:50:59 AM
    Clear that Harte had been holding this team and Tyrone football back. Cost us at least 5 all Ireland's. We're probably 20 years behind we're we should be. Logan and Dooher making up the ground now thankfully.

    What are the 5 all irelands he cost us? What do you mean we are 20 years behind?

    A blind goat could've won an AI with the 03 team. We lost serious chances in 04, 06, 07 and then we should've won one from 2009 until 2012. Harte hadn't a notion. Those AI's were won in spite of him not because of him. Even his son got an AI medal in 03. That group were that good that they could carry him when he couldn't get a place in the EC team.
    From 2010 until last year Harte held that team back. He didn't trust them and they didn't trust him. The CB basically had to sack him to get him to leave, he didn't even have the cop out to go himself. I was scundered for him.

    You are as mad as the ballix who once said that Raymond Munroe almost cost Tyrone 2 All Ireland minor titles in 2008 and 2010 ...  Munroe was the manager both years... 2 All Ireland minor titles with 2 different teams ...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 30, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
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    MC geary has been amazing. His discipline in the tackle is unrecognisable from last year. That's what proper coaching gets you. No more Gavin Devlin ' coaching'.

    Agree on McGeary being amazing. Disagree on the disrespect to Gavin Devlin.  Despite your anonymity it's safe to assume Gavin has contributed significantly more to Tyrone football than you have.
    safe to say Tyrone football has contributed significantly more to Gavin's bank account than it has mine.

    If talking thru your hole incurred expenses you'd be minted.

    Once I was made aware that STG is actually a Fermanagh man living in Tyrone I just ignored all his silly  posts
    guess I've been proved right about Harte and Devlin! Bluffer's held Tyrone back. Onwards and upwards yes! So satisfying.

    Don't kid yourself STG, this is still Mickey Harte's team and squad, he moulded all these player's don't forget.  I firmly believe Tyrone would be in an Ireland final today if MH was still at the helm, it was only a matter of time before this group of players beat one of the other big 4 in Croke Park.  Dooher and Logie have done a very good job this year but MH has left them an oven ready all Ireland competing squad.  Its not like when Alex Ferguson handed over the batton to David Moyes at Manchester United for goodness sake.  All they had to do is carry on what is being done and the Logie and Dooher have done that to a tee.

    They clearly didn't just need to carry on what was being done as what was being done over the previous 10 years was never enough to beat one of the top sides in the Championship. Mickey Harte is a legend and whatever anybody tries to suggest, he was absolutely central to the success of the noughties. He had terrific talent to work with but he nurtured those players and gave them the belief to go on and achieve what they did. And even in that last decade he did fine work in keeping Tyrone competitive when at times we were just a bit short of the players needed to win.

    However, I've no doubt that he also became too cautious as time went on and tried to micromanage his teams. No surprise to see players seeing that they have been playing with more freedom under the new management. That much is obvious in their performances and in great comparison to the way Tyrone teams at times over the past few years seemed scared to deviate from the very regimented plan. I also suspect he had grown rather distant from the players, something else that comes across in comments from the panel. Not convinced he ever formed anywhere near the same level of bond with more recent teams as he did with the 1997-2001 crop he knew so well. I think the current crop are probably happier with the management team they knew well from under 21. A change was overdue and just as Mickey deserves every praise he gets for his huge achievements, so do the new management team deserve plaudits for taking the team to a final and beating Kerry, and with less preparation than they would have had normally. Oven ready, I don't think so.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 30, 2021, 08:49:46 PM
    Few questions.

    How can tyrone get the best out of mckenna? He is pure talent and passion but hasn't really kicked on this year compared with his first few games under mickey. Wonder if he was happy with the change of management as I assumed mickey was involved in bringing him back.

    Why is dooher still being cautious with mcshane. He clearly is fit and needs the game time.

    Is Lee breenan on the panel still. Always thought he has something to offer tyrone especially from free kicks.

    No offence to ronan o'neill but he is not going to make it so wonder whats keeping him on the panel.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:48:00 PM
    McShane up top and McKenna at half back line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 31, 2021, 06:07:19 AM
    Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:48:00 PM
    McShane up top and McKenna at half back line.

    Who you dropping? Sludden?

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on August 31, 2021, 06:45:29 AM
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    Clear that Harte had been holding this team and Tyrone football back. Cost us at least 5 all Ireland's. We're probably 20 years behind we're we should be. Logan and Dooher making up the ground now thankfully.

    What are the 5 all irelands he cost us? What do you mean we are 20 years behind?

    A blind goat could've won an AI with the 03 team. We lost serious chances in 04, 06, 07 and then we should've won one from 2009 until 2012. Harte hadn't a notion. Those AI's were won in spite of him not because of him. Even his son got an AI medal in 03. That group were that good that they could carry him when he couldn't get a place in the EC team.
    From 2010 until last year Harte held that team back. He didn't trust them and they didn't trust him. The CB basically had to sack him to get him to leave, he didn't even have the cop out to go himself. I was scundered for him.

    You are as mad as the ballix who once said that Raymond Munroe almost cost Tyrone 2 All Ireland minor titles in 2008 and 2010 ...  Munroe was the manager both years... 2 All Ireland minor titles with 2 different teams ...

    Well then 2 blind goats couldn't win the all ireland the year before with the same squad you absolute fool. Also the team between 2009 and 2012 were dreadful they were on the down slope.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 31, 2021, 07:31:18 AM
    Moonshine , Your message is to Cobra I assume ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 31, 2021, 09:42:08 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 30, 2021, 08:49:46 PM
    Few questions.

    How can tyrone get the best out of mckenna? He is pure talent and passion but hasn't really kicked on this year compared with his first few games under mickey. Wonder if he was happy with the change of management as I assumed mickey was involved in bringing him back.

    Why is dooher still being cautious with mcshane. He clearly is fit and needs the game time.

    Is Lee breenan on the panel still. Always thought he has something to offer tyrone especially from free kicks.

    No offence to ronan o'neill but he is not going to make it so wonder whats keeping him on the panel.

    mcshane played nearly an hours football on Saturday past, fair enough "dooher" who's not the manager didn't know there would be extra time, but he still threw him on 9 mins into the 2nd half when the game was in the complete melting pot, so i don't understand what part of that is cautious - you say he's fit and then you say he needs the game time, which one is it? he will be in with a massive chance of starting the next day, just depends on what way the management want to set up

    LB tore his hamstring in a friendly against either roscommon or cork

    RON best goal scoring threat in Tyrone, isn't going to make it but i feel like when he see's certain players on ahead of him and he knows/thinks he is a much better player than them which must be extremely frustrating
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on August 31, 2021, 09:43:22 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 31, 2021, 06:07:19 AM
    Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:48:00 PM
    McShane up top and McKenna at half back line.

    Who you dropping? Sludden?

    Mckenna at 11 Mcshane at 15 is the obvious move if Mcshane is to start the final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: giveherlong on August 31, 2021, 09:44:27 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 31, 2021, 06:07:19 AM
    Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 11:48:00 PM
    McShane up top and McKenna at half back line.

    Who you dropping? Sludden?

    Either of the midfielders. Leave McKenna in the middle. He was there anyway for couple of throw ins
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 31, 2021, 09:51:08 AM
    The first 35mins of the final is going to be helter skeltor. I'm expecting chaos

    Better to have McShane and Canavan coming on around 45minute mark
    Canavan in particular should have been on sooner on Saturday. He covers so much ground, and offers something completely different going forward

    Finish with our strongest 15 and we can eek out a famous victory
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 31, 2021, 10:09:08 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on August 31, 2021, 09:42:08 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 30, 2021, 08:49:46 PM
    Few questions.

    How can tyrone get the best out of mckenna? He is pure talent and passion but hasn't really kicked on this year compared with his first few games under mickey. Wonder if he was happy with the change of management as I assumed mickey was involved in bringing him back.

    Why is dooher still being cautious with mcshane. He clearly is fit and needs the game time.

    Is Lee breenan on the panel still. Always thought he has something to offer tyrone especially from free kicks.

    No offence to ronan o'neill but he is not going to make it so wonder whats keeping him on the panel.

    mcshane played nearly an hours football on Saturday past, fair enough "dooher" who's not the manager didn't know there would be extra time, but he still threw him on 9 mins into the 2nd half when the game was in the complete melting pot, so i don't understand what part of that is cautious - you say he's fit and then you say he needs the game time, which one is it? he will be in with a massive chance of starting the next day, just depends on what way the management want to set up

    LB tore his hamstring in a friendly against either roscommon or cork

    RON best goal scoring threat in Tyrone, isn't going to make it but i feel like when he see's certain players on ahead of him and he knows/thinks he is a much better player than them which must be extremely frustrating

    Isn't dooher one of the managers? Even fergal logan said that dooher is in charge of the subs. We have been told all year that mcshane is fit. What i meant was he needs more game time to get match sharp. Played about 15 mins against Donegal and about 25 mins against monghan and you could tell by that game that he need more gamt time as his handling was poor although it was under poor conditions. The kerry game was the longest he has played continuously in 19 months and as you say that was only cause the game went to extra time. That should bring him on a bit further.

    Wasn't aware of the injury to LB.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 10:51:09 AM
    Start your best team so that means McShane starts.  Only reason he hasn't so far is due to injury.  Would like to see Bradley involved more too.  As for McKenna, he should be somewhere around the middle third.

    How is Canavan in that POTY betting list?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on August 31, 2021, 10:57:53 AM
    Quote from: kickitin on August 31, 2021, 09:42:08 AM

    LB tore his hamstring in a friendly against either roscommon or cork


    Good to hear LB hasn't packed it in (again). I think and hope we should be a stronger team next year. There's a good mix of ages and options there. To my mind, no likely retirement candidates for another year or two.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on August 31, 2021, 03:25:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 31, 2021, 09:51:08 AM
    The first 35mins of the final is going to be helter skeltor. I'm expecting chaos

    Better to have McShane and Canavan coming on around 45minute mark
    Canavan in particular should have been on sooner on Saturday. He covers so much ground, and offers something completely different going forward

    Finish with our strongest 15 and we can eek out a famous victory

    Bar his shot on goal (which was straight at the keeper) I thought Canavan was poor enough. It was lucky his shot fell to McShane. He carried a load of ball into tackles and got turned over when Tyrone really needed the ball. And being fresh he really shouldn't have made those mistakes. He has room to improve.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 03:48:33 PM
    More worried about how ineffective McKenna has been so far, should be getting much more out of him than we have so far.  Darragh Canavan looks good but Mark Bradley is a similar type of player who has that bit more know-how at this stage.  Surprised to see him getting so little time so far.  Things to work on:

    - Kickouts
    - McKenna involvement
    - Frees/45s
    - Discipline (cant afford one ten minute period with a man less never mind multiple periods)
    - need to keep working on creating/scoring goals, hoping Saturday wasn't a one-off.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on August 31, 2021, 04:12:46 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 03:48:33 PM
    More worried about how ineffective McKenna has been so far, should be getting much more out of him than we have so far.  Darragh Canavan looks good but Mark Bradley is a similar type of player who has that bit more know-how at this stage.  Surprised to see him getting so little time so far.  Things to work on:

    - Kickouts
    - McKenna involvement
    - Frees/45s
    - Discipline (cant afford one ten minute period with a man less never mind multiple periods)
    - need to keep working on creating/scoring goals, hoping Saturday wasn't a one-off.

    I'd agree but McKenna did get 2 crucial goals and like McCurry he's a marked man but both of them kept going no matter what. Especially McCurry given it was so difficult for him for large parts of the game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on August 31, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
    What a servant Petey Harte is.

    I've been on here a while and boys have been calling him 'the nephew' and taking shots at him over the years but he has been so reliable.

    He's done everything asked of him over the years and any position he's played he's played well (nearly them all at this stage) The only time he has been poor in games is when the opposition decide to target him but with more options now that's a thing of the past.

    AND WHAT A BLOCK .... better than Gormleys and that takes some doing!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on August 31, 2021, 04:46:04 PM
    Petey is better in defence where he doesn't get as much "attention" from the other team. When he's lining out in attack he can get put off his game at times with some of the close contact he got. But he's a great player. Composed (to the level where he struggles to get frees from refs when he's being fouled) and no shortage of skill.
    I think McKenna is doing OK. Every game has seen a slight step up. But he's a marked man now. We're at the stage now where it's hard to man mark all Tyrone's threats. McShane, McCurry, McKenna potentially Donnelly would all need man marking. That's a lot of fires for opposition to put out!!  And that's a great way to have it.
    I wouldn't have Canavan starting yet. I thought he struggled on Sat. Couple of wrong options and turned over balls. Nothing to worry about given his age, but don't think he's done enough yet.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on August 31, 2021, 07:26:20 PM
    Current form of our forwards is good but I feel there's still room for improvement. A longer pre season would definitely have helped the management figure out the best positions and strategy. Rewind to our first league game and Donaghy's performance you'd have thought he'd be a cert to start every game.
    Ranking and comments:
    McCurry - his best season yet. Has been great under pressure and is needed for frees.
    McShane - bar a few handling errors has been excellent.  Real handful for the opposition.
    M Donnelly - not his best season but has been good at spells as target man. Some bad decisions in last 2 matches.
    McKenna - flashes of brilliance. I think he was one of the worst affected by covid as he seemed gassed on Saturday.  I could be wrong.
    ...
    Bradley
    Canavan
    Donaghy
    L Brennan
    R O'Neil

    Probably forgetting someone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyronerebel on September 01, 2021, 08:48:58 AM
    What's the story with this pods of 2? Some saying minimum pod of 2 and some saying maximum? surely bigger pods would allow for larger numbers?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 01, 2021, 09:11:52 AM
    Quote from: tyronerebel on September 01, 2021, 08:48:58 AM
    What's the story with this pods of 2? Some saying minimum pod of 2 and some saying maximum? surely bigger pods would allow for larger numbers?
    Pods of 2.
    Can ask for a single or a double. No pods of 3 or 5.
    So parent with one kid. Need to request 1 pod of 2 (Mum and child) and 1 pod of 1 (dad off somewhere on his own)

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Wee Roddy on September 01, 2021, 10:00:30 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
    What a servant Petey Harte is.

    I've been on here a while and boys have been calling him 'the nephew' and taking shots at him over the years but he has been so reliable.

    He's done everything asked of him over the years and any position he's played he's played well (nearly them all at this stage) The only time he has been poor in games is when the opposition decide to target him but with more options now that's a thing of the past.

    AND WHAT A BLOCK .... better than Gormleys and that takes some doing!

    It was a great block, but to say that is was better than Gormelys is ridiculous and that isnt me having my Carrickmore cap on. Watch Gormleys again. The ground he made up was unreal, never mind the timing of the block
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on September 01, 2021, 10:27:12 AM
    Quote from: Wee Roddy on September 01, 2021, 10:00:30 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
    What a servant Petey Harte is.

    I've been on here a while and boys have been calling him 'the nephew' and taking shots at him over the years but he has been so reliable.

    He's done everything asked of him over the years and any position he's played he's played well (nearly them all at this stage) The only time he has been poor in games is when the opposition decide to target him but with more options now that's a thing of the past.

    AND WHAT A BLOCK .... better than Gormleys and that takes some doing!

    It was a great block, but to say that is was better than Gormelys is ridiculous and that isnt me having my Carrickmore cap on. Watch Gormleys again. The ground he made up was unreal, never mind the timing of the block

    Yeah a bit of a mad comparison. Also, considering that Spillane was running at a bad angle, a goal was no certainty had the block not happened. With Gormleys, it was a certain goal, and was right at the death in an All-Ireland final. A good block but crazy to compare the two in terms of ground made up, pressure, timing, etc.

    In fact, when you watch Harte's again, he almost had time to stop his run before making the dive - a split second of time that Gormley did not have the luxury of!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2021, 10:27:46 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 03:48:33 PM
    More worried about how ineffective McKenna has been so far, should be getting much more out of him than we have so far.  Darragh Canavan looks good but Mark Bradley is a similar type of player who has that bit more know-how at this stage.  Surprised to see him getting so little time so far.  Things to work on:

    - Kickouts
    - McKenna involvement
    - Frees/45s
    - Discipline (cant afford one ten minute period with a man less never mind multiple periods)
    - need to keep working on creating/scoring goals, hoping Saturday wasn't a one-off.
    Very very strange why Mark Bradley is so far away from things. Sign of a good team maybe that he is so far down the pecking order but surely he is well worth getting 15 20 minutes every game. Him Canavan McShane and McCann are serious impact men, add in a potentially returning Rory Brennan, that is 5 brilliant options to bring in.
    Could be very important with how Mayo are performing in second halfs all season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 01, 2021, 10:54:08 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2021, 10:27:46 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 03:48:33 PM
    More worried about how ineffective McKenna has been so far, should be getting much more out of him than we have so far.  Darragh Canavan looks good but Mark Bradley is a similar type of player who has that bit more know-how at this stage.  Surprised to see him getting so little time so far.  Things to work on:

    - Kickouts
    - McKenna involvement
    - Frees/45s
    - Discipline (cant afford one ten minute period with a man less never mind multiple periods)
    - need to keep working on creating/scoring goals, hoping Saturday wasn't a one-off.
    Very very strange why Mark Bradley is so far away from things. Sign of a good team maybe that he is so far down the pecking order but surely he is well worth getting 15 20 minutes every game. Him Canavan McShane and McCann are serious impact men, add in a potentially returning Rory Brennan, that is 5 brilliant options to bring in.
    Could be very important with how Mayo are performing in second halfs all season.

    The same Mark Bradley that started the Ulster Final?

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on September 01, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
    Are the kickouts something to worry about? Is it possible tyrone didn't mind conceding the kickout because it would lead to kerry running possession into trouble and an inevitable tyrone turnover and score?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2021, 02:18:33 PM
    I think so. I think it was also a big factor in tiring them out. They were able to run up to about half way, but were then hassled and harried. Kerry didn't get many scores from them and would have sapped a lot of energy bringing the ball forward and also leaving that space behind them.

    I think the reason we went so long was also for the same reason. Yes, we lost a few, but it was further from danger and plenty of men set and facing the ball.

    I think the game sort of reminded me of Tyrone against 2009 where they conceded the kickouts too. I think even Morgan gave an interview where he said his kickouts are all about trying to set up a platform for a score, retention isn't that important if you aren't working scores.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 01, 2021, 03:28:50 PM
    Joe McQuillan refereeing the Final. Pray for Tyrone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on September 01, 2021, 04:10:41 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on September 01, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
    Are the kickouts something to worry about? Is it possible tyrone didn't mind conceding the kickout because it would lead to kerry running possession into trouble and an inevitable tyrone turnover and score?

    I can't imagine thats true.  Far too risky to be at that craic,  Kerry had too many sniffs of goal and its something I would hope is tightened up on for the final.  Additionally, I would hope/imagine Tyrone should even improve on fitness, intensity etc. for the final given the two weeks training they will have as well as the fact that they are 2 weeks further recovered from COVID.

    What did Mark Bradley do that was so bad in the Ulster Final?  If we are going to permanently bench every player who has ever had a bad game, there wouldn't be any players left to start the final.  Some fans are very fickle, Bradley has been a brilliant player for Tyrone but has never had a consistent run given various reasons.  I think of the criticism dished out so easily to our players over the years and it seems to take forever for some folk to change their opinions.  I'm thinking of Colm Cavanagh, Harte, McShane and McGeary etc.  Is Bradley next on the hit-list?

    As for the block, brilliant piece of play from a brilliant player but not as good as Gormleys block, from either a technical, timing or significance perspective.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on September 01, 2021, 04:29:35 PM
    In my opinion Mark Bradley is a super player. Had a very good Ulster final and Monaghan found it hard to handle his movement. It seems it is a straight choice between him & Dazzler for a starting place. There is not much in it (if anything at all) but Dazzler has been on form to date but was a bit ropey last Sunday.

    Going to be impossible to put Dazzler off the starting team now but for sure Bradley is a more than adequate replacement if need be.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on September 01, 2021, 04:31:10 PM
    Dazzler had 2 men hanging off him every time the ball was put to him...that freed up another Tyrone attacker.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on September 01, 2021, 04:38:20 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
    What a servant Petey Harte is.

    I've been on here a while and boys have been calling him 'the nephew' and taking shots at him over the years but he has been so reliable.

    He's done everything asked of him over the years and any position he's played he's played well (nearly them all at this stage) The only time he has been poor in games is when the opposition decide to target him but with more options now that's a thing of the past.

    AND WHAT A BLOCK .... better than Gormleys and that takes some doing!

    Peter Harte has been an immense player for Tyrone throughout the years. This year has been his best year yet... from the Cavan game his running and work off the ball has been as impressive and unselfish as his work on the ball. Last week we seen that the opposition intimidation no longer works against him but referees are watching for it.  He received a horrific tackle against Mayo in an aisf which put him out of the game, a few years ago, not dissimilar to the Dublin tackle against Mayo in the semi final and got no protection from the referee either that day. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 01, 2021, 04:40:39 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on September 01, 2021, 04:31:10 PM
    Dazzler had 2 men hanging off him every time the ball was put to him...that freed up another Tyrone attacker.

    Exactly and he still stuck to his task and came up with 4 points. No way he doesn't start.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2021, 04:59:33 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 01, 2021, 04:40:39 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on September 01, 2021, 04:31:10 PM
    Dazzler had 2 men hanging off him every time the ball was put to him...that freed up another Tyrone attacker.

    Exactly and he still stuck to his task and came up with 4 points. No way he doesn't start.

    He showed mental strength to stick at it, it's also shows Dooher/Logan have backed him. Harte would have hooked him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2021, 05:23:27 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2021, 04:59:33 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 01, 2021, 04:40:39 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on September 01, 2021, 04:31:10 PM
    Dazzler had 2 men hanging off him every time the ball was put to him...that freed up another Tyrone attacker.

    Exactly and he still stuck to his task and came up with 4 points. No way he doesn't start.

    He showed mental strength to stick at it, it's also shows Dooher/Logan have backed him. Harte would have hooked him.

    I found it a bit strange for some people to have criticised him  in that game. He won most of the ball put into him in the 1st half. The issue was the poor quality of the ball in. It was either too high or on the ground. Bt the time he got the ball 2 men were at times literally on him.

    For McCurry or Bradley they need chest high balls in so they can either turn and shoot or off load it quickly before the defenders can get to them.

    Haven't really seen too much of mcshane and either McCurry /Bradley together. Has the potential to be a really high scoring forward line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on September 01, 2021, 05:37:30 PM
    Dazzler with McShane would be some inside front line. Would be a serious threat.

    My point was answering an earlier poster who asked why Bradley is not getting more game time. Bradley is top quality but will not shift Dazzler at the moment

    However, he is a more than adequate replacement if Dazzler has to be replaced during the game due to injury or whatever. As much as I would love to see it, I don't think we will see McShane, Bradley, Dazzler, McKenna and Mattie ever start on the same forward line.

    We need to keep at least one in reserve to insure we have a strong dangerous forward line on the pitch at the end
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 01, 2021, 06:08:01 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 01, 2021, 05:23:27 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 01, 2021, 04:59:33 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 01, 2021, 04:40:39 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on September 01, 2021, 04:31:10 PM
    Dazzler had 2 men hanging off him every time the ball was put to him...that freed up another Tyrone attacker.

    Exactly and he still stuck to his task and came up with 4 points. No way he doesn't start.

    He showed mental strength to stick at it, it's also shows Dooher/Logan have backed him. Harte would have hooked him.

    I found it a bit strange for some people to have criticised him  in that game. He won most of the ball put into him in the 1st half. The issue was the poor quality of the ball in. It was either too high or on the ground. Bt the time he got the ball 2 men were at times literally on him.

    For McCurry or Bradley they need chest high balls in so they can either turn and shoot or off load it quickly before the defenders can get to them.

    Haven't really seen too much of mcshane and either McCurry /Bradley together. Has the potential to be a really high scoring forward line.

    Same with the ball into all our forwards really. They got out infront regularly but the balls was just off.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on September 01, 2021, 06:15:23 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 01, 2021, 04:40:39 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on September 01, 2021, 04:31:10 PM
    Dazzler had 2 men hanging off him every time the ball was put to him...that freed up another Tyrone attacker.

    Exactly and he still stuck to his task and came up with 4 points. No way he doesn't start.

    True and he has been our best forward this year but he could have cost us the game with a completely unnecessary black card.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 01, 2021, 06:19:29 PM
    Sluddens was worse.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2021, 07:37:06 PM
    I have this feeling that tyrone haven't clicked as of yet. I may be wrong. But if they click as a whole unit including the forwards they could do some serious damage. I only hope it will be in Sat 11 September.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on September 01, 2021, 08:16:30 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 01, 2021, 06:19:29 PM
    Sluddens was worse.

    I dunno, his was bad but I would say McCurrys was worse as the ball was away and there was nothing to be gained from doing what he did.  It was just lazy.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: cjx on September 01, 2021, 08:41:04 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on September 01, 2021, 04:10:41 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on September 01, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
    Are the kickouts something to worry about? Is it possible tyrone didn't mind conceding the kickout because it would lead to kerry running possession into trouble and an inevitable tyrone turnover and score?

    I can't imagine thats true.  Far too risky to be at that craic,  Kerry had too many sniffs of goal and its something I would hope is tightened up on for the final.  Additionally, I would hope/imagine Tyrone should even improve on fitness, intensity etc. for the final given the two weeks training they will have as well as the fact that they are 2 weeks further recovered from COVID.

    What did Mark Bradley do that was so bad in the Ulster Final?  If we are going to permanently bench every player who has ever had a bad game, there wouldn't be any players left to start the final.  Some fans are very fickle, Bradley has been a brilliant player for Tyrone but has never had a consistent run given various reasons.  I think of the criticism dished out so easily to our players over the years and it seems to take forever for some folk to change their opinions.  I'm thinking of Colm Cavanagh, Harte, McShane and McGeary etc.  Is Bradley next on the hit-list?

    As for the block, brilliant piece of play from a brilliant player but not as good as Gormleys block, from either a technical, timing or significance perspective.

    Tyrone didn't contest Kerry kick outs and only logical reason is to keep them short away from Moran and a belief they could strip the ball from Kerry coming down the field as they. As pointed out in paper today it was surprizing Kerry didn't go long anyway as Tyrone's long kick out strategy failed and it seems  Kennedy and Kilpatrick whilst getting stronger are not ready for a catching contest with the likes of Moran yet. But great promise and they will soon be there I believe. Still I'd see Mayo playing O'Shea at midfield mostly as Tyrone strength there isn't great I believe. I think McShane must start so drop Kilpatrick for Donnelly to be named at midfield but Donnelly can't afford the 3/4 sloppy weak passes shot he had against Kerry. McKenna and McCurry feeding off McShane looks very good surely? I would bring on Bradley for McKenna on 50min to steady things against Mayo unless goals are badly needed. Very intelligent footballer but given to bad early shot selection tho Tyrone were much better and patient in this area against Kerry than before; learnt from Dublin I suppose and its a key area for success. Harte brilliant and strong  in many ways but still think he is not a great tackler with body shape wrong and could be used by Mayo to get frees. Anyway Tyrone have about 7-8 good half forwards and so some will have to play out of position. Watching Clifford his trick was often feint and step aside to get the 2 yard space. Both McNamee and Hampsey fell for that too easily lost him and Horan etc. will have picked up on that. Can't easily separate Mayo and Tyrone but think Dublin's collapse in shape and discipline was far worst than Kerry's failings so Tyrone may have the edge. I wonder will Oisin Mullin be back for  Mayo big tall and skillful add him to O'Donoghue's determined engine with Conroy's speed and shooting will make a dangerous young (mainly) forward line for a Tyrone defense which isn't as good as years gone by so far I think but McGeary's determination and leadership should carry them clear as he covers every inch from one 45 to the other. And for God's sake don't let Morgan take frees from out near sideline unless to waste time. He has to improve his kicking next time (and they need to plan much more on movement to get men free to give him targets; a big hoof up the middle won't do unless to vary things once or twice (and he missed several shorter ones against Kerry whilst clearly kicking as ordered in the plan  for that day) but his outfield play is mostly good   ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on September 02, 2021, 01:25:30 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on September 01, 2021, 10:27:12 AM
    Quote from: Wee Roddy on September 01, 2021, 10:00:30 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
    What a servant Petey Harte is.

    I've been on here a while and boys have been calling him 'the nephew' and taking shots at him over the years but he has been so reliable.

    He's done everything asked of him over the years and any position he's played he's played well (nearly them all at this stage) The only time he has been poor in games is when the opposition decide to target him but with more options now that's a thing of the past.

    AND WHAT A BLOCK .... better than Gormleys and that takes some doing!

    It was a great block, but to say that is was better than Gormelys is ridiculous and that isnt me having my Carrickmore cap on. Watch Gormleys again. The ground he made up was unreal, never mind the timing of the block

    Yeah a bit of a mad comparison. Also, considering that Spillane was running at a bad angle, a goal was no certainty had the block not happened. With Gormleys, it was a certain goal, and was right at the death in an All-Ireland final. A good block but crazy to compare the two in terms of ground made up, pressure, timing, etc.

    In fact, when you watch Harte's again, he almost had time to stop his run before making the dive - a split second of time that Gormley did not have the luxury of!

    I knew would get a Carmen backlash but as I said Gormley's block was great but some of the points made make me put Peteys slightly ahead of it.

    Blocking when having to time it to the point where you nearly have to stop or may get dummied is harder than coming from behind someone who doesn't know your coming. McDonnell never saw Gormley coming which is testament to Gormley but there was no other outcome other than kick and be blocked or not blocked.

    I'm not sure there was huge difference on running angles and we also will never know if either player would have scored the goal but the only thing is that I believe that if either goal went in Tyrone would not have a cup in the end (Mayo result dependent)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on September 04, 2021, 09:26:45 PM
    Did everyone get tickets alright? Seemed to be no bother with club members who go to Tyrone games
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 05, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on September 04, 2021, 09:26:45 PM
    Did everyone get tickets alright? Seemed to be no bother with club members who go to Tyrone games

    Yeah no issues for anyone that coaches, takes a committee job, helps at fundraisers etc
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on September 05, 2021, 10:28:16 AM
    Watched the 2013 and 2016 mayo games there. Very little between the teams and Tyrone just didn't get the rub of the green.  Roman mcnabb could have been a star but it wasn't to be.

    Lee keegan is a great player and deserves an all Ireland but some of his cuteness and game management leaves a bad taste. I wonder will he get his comeuppance in the form of a black or red and could that be telling.

    Excitement building for next week I can't wait. Up Tyrone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on September 05, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 05, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on September 04, 2021, 09:26:45 PM
    Did everyone get tickets alright? Seemed to be no bother with club members who go to Tyrone games

    Yeah no issues for anyone that coaches, takes a committee job, helps at fundraisers etc

    And the humble club player should be on that list as well if not at the top of it. Very few in a club gives as much of their time as the player himself.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on September 05, 2021, 11:30:31 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on September 05, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 05, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on September 04, 2021, 09:26:45 PM
    Did everyone get tickets alright? Seemed to be no bother with club members who go to Tyrone games

    Yeah no issues for anyone that coaches, takes a committee job, helps at fundraisers etc

    And the humble club player should be on that list as well if not at the top of it. Very few in a club gives as much of their time as the player himself.

    100% correct
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 05, 2021, 11:32:42 AM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on September 05, 2021, 10:28:16 AM
    Watched the 2013 and 2016 mayo games there. Very little between the teams and Tyrone just didn't get the rub of the green.  Roman mcnabb could have been a star but it wasn't to be.

    Lee keegan is a great player and deserves an all Ireland but some of his cuteness and game management leaves a bad taste. I wonder will he get his comeuppance in the form of a black or red and could that be telling.

    Excitement building for next week I can't wait. Up Tyrone.
    Oisin Mullan's fitness will have a big bearing. If Mayo can play Mullin full back and free Lee Keegan to the half back line it will be a big boost to them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on September 05, 2021, 12:14:00 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 05, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on September 04, 2021, 09:26:45 PM
    Did everyone get tickets alright? Seemed to be no bother with club members who go to Tyrone games

    Yeah no issues for anyone that coaches, takes a committee job, helps at fundraisers etc

    Yes what what about the other half  and childer? They wanna go too...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on September 05, 2021, 03:24:01 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on September 05, 2021, 12:14:00 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 05, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on September 04, 2021, 09:26:45 PM
    Did everyone get tickets alright? Seemed to be no bother with club members who go to Tyrone games

    Yeah no issues for anyone that coaches, takes a committee job, helps at fundraisers etc

    Yes what what about the other half  and childer? They wanna go too...

    No bother with tickets. Got one for the wife as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on September 05, 2021, 03:46:46 PM
    No luck with tickets. Missed the club deadline 😭. Need one for anywhere. On the roof would be okay as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 09, 2021, 08:38:44 PM
    That Larry in the match thread is come craic lol.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 10, 2021, 12:20:49 AM
    Having a debate here with family. Should the first colour on the tyrone flag be white and red or red and white.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on September 10, 2021, 12:29:55 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 10, 2021, 12:20:49 AM
    Having a debate here with family. Should the first colour on the tyrone flag be white and red or red and white.

    White and Red.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 06:30:15 AM
    White to the pole, red to the pole is Derry!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2021, 06:51:15 AM
    Notice alot of red to the pole in clubs where red is the predominant colour.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on September 10, 2021, 07:44:45 AM
    Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 06:30:15 AM
    White to the pole, red to the pole is Derry!!

    +1
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeeDonns on September 10, 2021, 08:32:20 AM
    Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2021, 06:30:15 AM
    White to the pole, red to the pole is Derry!!
    White to the Pole - Tyrone
    Red to the Pole - Cork
    Red & white horizontal - Derry  :P

    Source: those "know your county colours" posters they used to give out at primary school in the 90's
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on September 10, 2021, 08:42:57 AM
    If the All-Ireland was back in August, schools wouldn't be able to experience this build-up excitement.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on September 10, 2021, 01:52:54 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 10, 2021, 12:20:49 AM
    Having a debate here with family. Should the first colour on the tyrone flag be white and red or red and white.

    White and Red. White to the pole.
    I am prepared to die on this hill.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on September 10, 2021, 01:53:23 PM
    Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 10, 2021, 08:42:57 AM
    If the All-Ireland was back in August, schools wouldn't be able to experience this build-up excitement.

    Very true. Wee lad away today totally buzzing.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 10, 2021, 03:22:34 PM
    That's for the confirmation folks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on September 11, 2021, 12:18:55 AM
    Safe travel to all travelling tomorrow, give them hell!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on September 11, 2021, 07:08:40 PM
    Oh my f**king god. This is special. Enjoy lads.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on September 11, 2021, 08:20:36 PM
    A lot of players who have taken plenty of flack here and were immense today. No bad performances really. Beside Donnelly, but again he didn't seem quite right.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2021, 09:21:23 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on September 11, 2021, 07:08:40 PM
    Oh my f**king god. This is special. Enjoy lads.

    You owe an apology to a pit of those players,  they have proved you wrong. Peter Harte is an immense player.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on September 12, 2021, 09:26:36 AM
    I understand they don't get the cup home due to covid. But is there anything happening for a homecoming tonight?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on September 12, 2021, 09:58:43 AM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2021, 09:21:23 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on September 11, 2021, 07:08:40 PM
    Oh my f**king god. This is special. Enjoy lads.

    You owe an apology to a pit of those players,  they have proved you wrong. Peter Harte is an immense player.
    I backed the players. Mickey Harte was the problem. Suck it up!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on September 12, 2021, 10:10:52 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on September 12, 2021, 09:58:43 AM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2021, 09:21:23 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on September 11, 2021, 07:08:40 PM
    Oh my f**king god. This is special. Enjoy lads.

    You owe an apology to a pit of those players,  they have proved you wrong. Peter Harte is an immense player.
    I backed the players. Mickey Harte was the problem. Suck it up!

    "The nephew" as you used to call him, had an outstanding day yesterday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 12, 2021, 12:15:51 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on September 12, 2021, 10:10:52 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on September 12, 2021, 09:58:43 AM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 12, 2021, 09:21:23 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on September 11, 2021, 07:08:40 PM
    Oh my f**king god. This is special. Enjoy lads.

    You owe an apology to a pit of those players,  they have proved you wrong. Peter Harte is an immense player.
    I backed the players. Mickey Harte was the problem. Suck it up!

    "The nephew" as you used to call him, had an outstanding day yesterday.

    To be fair there were plenty of times in the past when Petey didn't play well and should have been taken off but never was. Interesting thing is all players are playing better this year than ever before, think it shows mickey and his system didnt work.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on September 12, 2021, 12:46:07 PM
    Peter Harte probably had one of his best ever years. Delighted for him. No uncle Mickey breathing down his neck. Alot of guys on here were saying Mickey was getting the best out of average players. Looks like that theory has been blown out of the f**king water!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 12, 2021, 01:08:15 PM
    The debate about Mickey on this thread in recent years was intense and at times pretty unpleasant, due mainly to a few posters who made the thing personal. That was totally unnecessary and out of order. I argued the past few years that Mickey, for all his massive achievements, had been there too long and that his extremely conservative style and micro managing of the team was stifling them.

    I didn't expect things to turn so quickly on his departure, but despite their limited time with the players, it was obvious that Logan and Dooher and co were letting them play with more freedom in attack and getting more creative players up the field. I think it's inconceivable that Tyrone under Mickey in recent times would have scored 5 goals in an All Ireland semi and final against Kerry and Mayo, or indeed that if they were ahead late on that he would be encouraging them to keep attacking and be sending on attackers as subs. We can only be thankful he didn't get his extra year as Tyrone wouldn't be All Ireland champions today if he had.

    All that said, he also deserves great credit for the conditioning and preparation of those players over the years and for keeping Tyrone at the top table. By taking on what he left and providing a more bold approach, the new management team provided success quicker than probably any of us believed possible. With a proper season next year and hopefully McShane and Canavan bedded in, and hopefully McKenna with a more defined role, and a year or two still left in Petey and Mattie, this team can still be better.

    That's for the future though. Right now, just want to thank the players and everyone else who made this possible and wish you all the best with the celebrations 🍾.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on September 12, 2021, 04:44:28 PM
    Peter Harte is a completely different player under the new management. He has been outstanding this season and should be in the running for an All-Star.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 13, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
    Recovering from the weekend and what a weekend it was. The lads were too class. Niall Morgan put in a performance I didn't know he was capable off. Simply outstanding, in all likelihood securing himself an allstar. For me Conor Meyler is the player of the year. What a player he is.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TopOfTheRight13 on September 13, 2021, 02:01:07 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on September 13, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
    Recovering from the weekend and what a weekend it was. The lads were too class. Niall Morgan put in a performance I didn't know he was capable off. Simply outstanding, in all likelihood securing himself an allstar. For me Conor Meyler is the player of the year. What a player he is.

    All the lads deserve massive respect, no mean feat. Niall has matured immensely in regards to positioning, support play, even the penalty miss would be classed as a GK save obviously got in o'donohoe eye line and the latter was an ex Irish youth International.. His passing range and vision is super too. Listening to his podcast this morning can only admire the man. The Dazzler is a contender for POY also, showed what he was about on Sat, coming deep popping passes taking scores with that wand of a left unmarkable man to man. If he played for a top four club team in the county they'd be County Champions most seasons.
    https://youtu.be/6_sUAzM0dbo
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 13, 2021, 04:21:55 PM
    Meyler POTY for me after the last three games where it really mattered. I think McGeary's performance vs Kerry was over stated a little bit, by me too. I rewatched the game last week and I don't think he was a  good as Meyler when watching it in the cold light of day.

    McCurry has put himself back in the reckoning. He started the year playing incredible, struggled a wee bit against Monaghan and Kerry but stood up massively at the weekend.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 13, 2021, 04:24:20 PM
    McCurry scored 1-30 this year against top opposition all the way through. Fantasic and I'd have more respect for that than the likes of Sean OShea running up the scores against poor opposition.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 13, 2021, 10:12:57 PM
    I'm just looking through the Tyrone sub bench and im astounded at the talent you have. Mark Bradley, Tiernan McCann, Cathal McShane, young Canavan, Lee Brennan and many many more. Plus I've seen loads of Tyrone players at your club games not even on the panel who would walk on to our County team. Nobody outside of Tyrone will probably never know who they are.

    This is obviously hypothetical but if the All Ireland semifinals and final had to be replayed and Tyrone, Mayo Kerry and Dublin had to play numbers 16 to 30 Tyrone would win it with ease.

    I do believe Tyrone can get even better them to men in midfield are great catches us their only getting used to playing with each other.

    Congratulations on your All Ireland win you done it the hard way.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on September 13, 2021, 10:30:36 PM
    Folks, just rewatching the game and was surprised at the substitution of Mattie Donnelly.  Rarely happens but did he get a knock or was just poor?  McKenna missed alot of chances but at least he was making them I suppose.  Then he created the goal.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 13, 2021, 10:33:35 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on September 13, 2021, 10:30:36 PM
    Folks, just rewatching the game and was surprised at the substitution of Mattie Donnelly.  Rarely happens but did he get a knock or was just poor?  McKenna missed alot of chances but at least he was making them I suppose.  Then he created the goal.

    Apparently Mattie was carrying the hamstring from the Kerry game, and was expected to last no more than 1 hour.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on September 13, 2021, 10:43:33 PM
    Fair enough
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on September 13, 2021, 11:02:14 PM
    Jesus mckenna had a shocker
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omaghjoe on September 13, 2021, 11:24:45 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 13, 2021, 04:21:55 PM
    Meyler POTY for me after the last three games where it really mattered. I think McGeary's performance vs Kerry was over stated a little bit, by me too. I rewatched the game last week and I don't think he was a  good as Meyler when watching it in the cold light of day.

    McCurry has put himself back in the reckoning. He started the year playing incredible, struggled a wee bit against Monaghan and Kerry but stood up massively at the weekend.

    Im 100% on this

    Meyler POTY for me... been absolutely fantastic, done everything that was asked of him and more should have had MOTM v Kerry

    Not taking away from McGeary he's had a fantastic year, funnily enough even though he's had more freedom this year he's made a lot less of his rash mistakes, Anyway he was big in ET in extra time in the SF so i think that's what got him the MOTM but overall it shoulda been Meyler... snuffed out Paudie Clifford and set up countless attacks.

    For the record I woulda gave Morgan or maybe Kilpatrick MOTM yesterday but MCCurry was in the running alright... The Edendork defo men had a big day!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 13, 2021, 11:29:07 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on September 13, 2021, 11:02:14 PM
    Jesus mckenna had a shocker

    He wasn't happy with his own performance in his interview after, but he did set up one of the match winning goals. The cream always comes to the top and just like we seen in the Kerry game if he gets a sniff of it at all,  he will do damage.

    As an outsider looking, what's the craic with sparky?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 13, 2021, 11:34:57 PM
    Dooher the 5th man to both captain and win the AI as manager apparently.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on September 13, 2021, 11:40:34 PM
    McGeary will get POTY but I think Hampsey would have to be a serious contender for it too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on September 14, 2021, 12:43:17 AM
    Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 13, 2021, 11:29:07 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on September 13, 2021, 11:02:14 PM
    Jesus mckenna had a shocker

    He wasn't happy with his own performance in his interview after, but he did set up one of the match winning goals. The cream always comes to the top and just like we seen in the Kerry game if he gets a sniff of it at all,  he will do damage.

    As an outsider looking, what's the craic with sparky?

    McKenna shooting boots on and be an all star next year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 14, 2021, 12:58:44 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on September 14, 2021, 12:43:17 AM
    Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 13, 2021, 11:29:07 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on September 13, 2021, 11:02:14 PM
    Jesus mckenna had a shocker

    He wasn't happy with his own performance in his interview after, but he did set up one of the match winning goals. The cream always comes to the top and just like we seen in the Kerry game if he gets a sniff of it at all,  he will do damage.

    As an outsider looking, what's the craic with sparky?

    McKenna shooting boots on and be an all star next year

    He will indeed  said they all had alot more to offer.

    Just listened to Niall Morgans interview on off the ball its amazing Tyrone done as well as they did this year, with new management the heavy defeat in Killarney plus so many boys down with covid. (I believe Richie Donnelly was most effected lost about 2 stone).

    2022 looking promising for Tyrone but one thing we know is there will be a x on your back.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 14, 2021, 02:30:03 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on September 14, 2021, 12:43:17 AM
    Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 13, 2021, 11:29:07 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on September 13, 2021, 11:02:14 PM
    Jesus mckenna had a shocker

    He wasn't happy with his own performance in his interview after, but he did set up one of the match winning goals. The cream always comes to the top and just like we seen in the Kerry game if he gets a sniff of it at all,  he will do damage.

    As an outsider looking, what's the craic with sparky?

    McKenna shooting boots on and be an all star next year

    I'd expect Mc Kenna and Mc Shane to both improve significantly in the accuracy stakes by 2022, and with the midfield pairing of Kennedy and Kilpatrick visibly growing in stature and comfort in the middle of the park, Mattie Donnelly's contention that we can only get better from here doesn't appear to be outlandish in the slightest.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on September 14, 2021, 02:53:02 PM
    Lads Tyrone are only getting warmed up! Young canavan and Lee Brennan be pushing for starting places next year too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on September 14, 2021, 03:30:47 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on September 14, 2021, 02:53:02 PM
    Lads Tyrone are only getting warmed up! Young canavan and Lee Brennan be pushing for starting places next year too.

    It's exciting times to be a Tyrone supporter and already looking forward to next year's campaign. I'll even go to the McKenna cup games (if on) for the first time in a long while lol.
    The new management have brought a real positivity and feel-good factor back to the county and long may it continue.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Cobra on September 14, 2021, 03:36:18 PM
    We are back. That's my summation. Logan and Dooher have brought an exciting attacking edge to this team. They look for the goal, take risks. Such a contrast from the borefest that Harte presided over. Mistakes not allowed. No risks. Tap it over. Get beat by 3 or 4 points and go home. It's now man on man. Trusting the players and their abilities and they have rewarded them for that trust by putting in fantastic performances. We've got our swagger back our mojo. We are building a dynasty.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 04:02:00 PM
    We could win the AI again next year or get put out in the prelim of Ulster.


    I do think we'll def be a stronger panel next year. You'd wonder if the old dogs in the panel will keep the same hunger now they've finally gotten over the line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on September 14, 2021, 04:27:47 PM
    I thought it was interesting that Johnny Munroe was in the squad for I think the first time this year on Saturday. Shows the management really rate him and definitely could be one that comes into the team next year. Exciting times ahead.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on September 14, 2021, 04:38:17 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 04:02:00 PM
    We could win the AI again next year or get put out in the prelim of Ulster.


    I do think we'll def be a stronger panel next year. You'd wonder if the old dogs in the panel will keep the same hunger now they've finally gotten over the line.

    Donegal at Ballybofey would be tight in Ulster, maybe Monaghan again. That's bound to be the last year of straight knockout anyway?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on September 14, 2021, 04:44:58 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on September 14, 2021, 04:27:47 PM
    I thought it was interesting that Johnny Munroe was in the squad for I think the first time this year on Saturday. Shows the management really rate him and definitely could be one that comes into the team next year. Exciting times ahead.

    Yes Dooher namechecked him a few times during interviews, you get the feeling he really rates Munroe
    Also the change of sub keeper caught me by surprise. Darragh mcanenley didn't make the 26, and was replaced by Lorcan Quinn
    Ruthless management that
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on September 14, 2021, 07:31:47 PM
    Not ruthless Darragh injured last week.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 14, 2021, 09:26:53 PM
    Quote from: skeog on September 14, 2021, 07:31:47 PM
    Not ruthless Darragh injured last week.

    I thought Lorcan Quinn was in the squad all year and McAnely replaced Gallen.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
    Morgan - 30
    McNamee - 30
    Harte - 30
    M. Donnelly - 30
    T. McCann - 30
    Sludden - 29
    McCurry - 28


    Any concerns about any of the lads calling it a day? There's a big fall off once lads hit 30, I doubt too many of them will have more than a handful of seasons and that's really the spine of the team. If we could get another few years of them and then you'd be looking at the minors from this year starting to break through we could be OK.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on September 14, 2021, 10:37:48 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
    Morgan - 30
    McNamee - 30
    Harte - 30
    M. Donnelly - 30
    T. McCann - 30
    Sludden - 29
    McCurry - 28


    Any concerns about any of the lads calling it a day? There's a big fall off once lads hit 30, I doubt too many of them will have more than a handful of seasons and that's really the spine of the team. If we could get another few years of them and then you'd be looking at the minors from this year starting to break through we could be OK.

    Can't see it. These boys will probably want to play at the highest level for as long as they can and will step away when they can no longer contribute. All look after themselves
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2021, 10:56:22 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
    Morgan - 30
    McNamee - 30
    Harte - 30
    M. Donnelly - 30
    T. McCann - 30
    Sludden - 29
    McCurry - 28


    Any concerns about any of the lads calling it a day? There's a big fall off once lads hit 30, I doubt too many of them will have more than a handful of seasons and that's really the spine of the team. If we could get another few years of them and then you'd be looking at the minors from this year starting to break through we could be OK.

    Didn't realise they were that young.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 14, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2021, 10:56:22 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
    Morgan - 30
    McNamee - 30
    Harte - 30
    M. Donnelly - 30
    T. McCann - 30
    Sludden - 29
    McCurry - 28


    Any concerns about any of the lads calling it a day? There's a big fall off once lads hit 30, I doubt too many of them will have more than a handful of seasons and that's really the spine of the team. If we could get another few years of them and then you'd be looking at the minors from this year starting to break through we could be OK.

    Didn't realise they were that young.

    Yea their only puppies. Outfield players have at least five years each and Niall Morgan has probably fifteen years left toughly.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on September 15, 2021, 08:20:03 AM
    Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 14, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2021, 10:56:22 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
    Morgan - 30
    McNamee - 30
    Harte - 30
    M. Donnelly - 30
    T. McCann - 30
    Sludden - 29
    McCurry - 28


    Any concerns about any of the lads calling it a day? There's a big fall off once lads hit 30, I doubt too many of them will have more than a handful of seasons and that's really the spine of the team. If we could get another few years of them and then you'd be looking at the minors from this year starting to break through we could be OK.

    Didn't realise they were that young.

    Yea their only puppies. Outfield players have at least five years each and Niall Morgan has probably fifteen years left toughly.

    Not too many inter county players still playing who are in their mid 30's nowadays. It is a serious commitment and it is not the fitness or body that dictates retirement.
    Most times it is a lifestyle choice, lads gets married, have kids, change careers etc.
    These are some of the main reasons players retire as they enter the 30's.
    Take Colly Cavanagh as a recent example who cited kids and starting a new company as his reason for the stepping away. The time commitment required to play for a top inter county side is phenomenal, it is basically professional in terms of what is required
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on September 16, 2021, 09:07:41 AM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
    Morgan - 30
    McNamee - 30
    Harte - 30
    M. Donnelly - 30
    T. McCann - 30
    Sludden - 29
    McCurry - 28


    Any concerns about any of the lads calling it a day? There's a big fall off once lads hit 30, I doubt too many of them will have more than a handful of seasons and that's really the spine of the team. If we could get another few years of them and then you'd be looking at the minors from this year starting to break through we could be OK.

    I think the 03-08 era team had more individually great players in the first 15, but there's 30 or more players where there wouldn't be a massive step down in the current panel. The 03-08 team was breaking new ground and did get caught out when there wasn't something to prove as much. I think they should have won more. This team still isn't rated fully by the nation, has the back-to-back to look to and 3 AIs to aim to surpass. So I think the above players will stick around for another season or two at least.

    The above are all brilliant players, but I think there are other good players who could come in and do a job, and there are more players coming through. I think Morgan, as a GK, could keep going for a few years and only now seems to have fully hit his stride, but he does have a young family. Though, Gallen looked very good in that game he played a few years back. McNamee is the only one of the above where I can't yet think of another player with a similar profile to replace him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redhandefender on September 16, 2021, 09:27:02 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 16, 2021, 09:07:41 AM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
    Morgan - 30
    McNamee - 30
    Harte - 30
    M. Donnelly - 30
    T. McCann - 30
    Sludden - 29
    McCurry - 28


    Any concerns about any of the lads calling it a day? There's a big fall off once lads hit 30, I doubt too many of them will have more than a handful of seasons and that's really the spine of the team. If we could get another few years of them and then you'd be looking at the minors from this year starting to break through we could be OK.

    I think the 03-08 era team had more individually great players in the first 15, but there's 30 or more players where there wouldn't be a massive step down in the current panel. The 03-08 team was breaking new ground and did get caught out when there wasn't something to prove as much. I think they should have won more. This team still isn't rated fully by the nation, has the back-to-back to look to and 3 AIs to aim to surpass. So I think the above players will stick around for another season or two at least.

    The above are all brilliant players, but I think there are other good players who could come in and do a job, and there are more players coming through. I think Morgan, as a GK, could keep going for a few years and only now seems to have fully hit his stride, but he does have a young family. Though, Gallen looked very good in that game he played a few years back. McNamee is the only one of the above where I can't yet think of another player with a similar profile to replace him.

    McNamee has a club mate who could replace him handy enough there
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on September 16, 2021, 11:17:21 AM
    Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2021, 09:27:02 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 16, 2021, 09:07:41 AM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 14, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
    Morgan - 30
    McNamee - 30
    Harte - 30
    M. Donnelly - 30
    T. McCann - 30
    Sludden - 29
    McCurry - 28


    Any concerns about any of the lads calling it a day? There's a big fall off once lads hit 30, I doubt too many of them will have more than a handful of seasons and that's really the spine of the team. If we could get another few years of them and then you'd be looking at the minors from this year starting to break through we could be OK.

    I think the 03-08 era team had more individually great players in the first 15, but there's 30 or more players where there wouldn't be a massive step down in the current panel. The 03-08 team was breaking new ground and did get caught out when there wasn't something to prove as much. I think they should have won more. This team still isn't rated fully by the nation, has the back-to-back to look to and 3 AIs to aim to surpass. So I think the above players will stick around for another season or two at least.

    The above are all brilliant players, but I think there are other good players who could come in and do a job, and there are more players coming through. I think Morgan, as a GK, could keep going for a few years and only now seems to have fully hit his stride, but he does have a young family. Though, Gallen looked very good in that game he played a few years back. McNamee is the only one of the above where I can't yet think of another player with a similar profile to replace him.

    McNamee has a club mate who could replace him handy enough there

    i'm looking forward to hearing who this is.. mc glinchey? moss? byrne? dolan?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 08:55:23 PM
    Getting a while feeling from listening to a few radio interviews and podcasts that McShane isn't the most popular member of the panel, at least not with a few lads especially Morgan.

    Can't tell if it's more than a bit of good natured jibing or more deep seated.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 16, 2021, 09:00:29 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 08:55:23 PM
    Getting a while feeling from listening to a few radio interviews and podcasts that McShane isn't the most popular member of the panel, at least not with a few lads especially Morgan.

    Can't tell if it's more than a bit of good natured jibing or more deep seated.

    Heard the Morgan interview. Who else has been saying it. Colm cavanagh said Morgan and mcshane were cutting lumps out of each after training
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 16, 2021, 09:36:56 PM
    Does anyone know if you can watch the final back on sky online
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:33:52 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 16, 2021, 09:00:29 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 08:55:23 PM
    Getting a while feeling from listening to a few radio interviews and podcasts that McShane isn't the most popular member of the panel, at least not with a few lads especially Morgan.

    Can't tell if it's more than a bit of good natured jibing or more deep seated.

    Heard the Morgan interview. Who else has been saying it. Colm cavanagh said Morgan and mcshane were cutting lumps out of each after training

    The original Morgan interview, the colm cav comments on that and then the morgan and meyler comments on the BBC sounds pod from monday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 16, 2021, 09:36:56 PM
    Does anyone know if you can watch the final back on sky online

    I dunno but the full game is there on youtube in HD

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0MVMs4nxx4
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on September 17, 2021, 12:28:02 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
    Fergal Logan a free run at it with a team of Dooher, Holmes, McMahon and Pete Donnelly back in according to radio Ulster.

    See quote and onwards. Most of us saw it as a good move. What's the plans next year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 17, 2021, 11:01:47 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 16, 2021, 09:00:29 PM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 08:55:23 PM
    Getting a while feeling from listening to a few radio interviews and podcasts that McShane isn't the most popular member of the panel, at least not with a few lads especially Morgan.

    Can't tell if it's more than a bit of good natured jibing or more deep seated.

    Heard the Morgan interview. Who else has been saying it. Colm cavanagh said Morgan and mcshane were cutting lumps out of each after training

    No harm at all in that, keeps both of them honest!  :)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 17, 2021, 05:39:40 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2021, 12:28:02 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
    Fergal Logan a free run at it with a team of Dooher, Holmes, McMahon and Pete Donnelly back in according to radio Ulster.

    See quote and onwards. Most of us saw it as a good move. What's the plans next year?

    Try to take over the world.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: never kickt a ball on September 18, 2021, 01:32:29 AM
    Quote from: Jayop on September 17, 2021, 05:39:40 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2021, 12:28:02 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
    Fergal Logan a free run at it with a team of Dooher, Holmes, McMahon and Pete Donnelly back in according to radio Ulster.

    See quote and onwards. Most of us saw it as a good move. What's the plans next year?

    Try to take over the world.

    I'd like to see more seagulls at all of the Tyrone games. They went missing in the Kerry and Mayo games. Probably to do with Covid?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Twobounces on September 18, 2021, 04:08:05 PM
    Thinking back on the season and a few things struck me.

    Tyrone were very lucky that it was a straight knockout.  Reason for this is that Tyrone were battle hardened throughout Ulster by having to play Donegal & Monaghan.  These games stood to Tyrone so when they met Kerry they knew where they were strong and weak at.  Kerry & Dublin on the other hand weren't battle hardened and failed once the pressure was put on them. If there was a back door or Super 8's these teams would have learnt from these games and came back stronger.

    The other point is Logan & Dooher sticking with players.  In previous years under Harte guys got like a half and if they didn't perform that was it.  Logan & Dooher persisted with these players (two midfielders) and it is bound to give them great confidence that their managers will stand by them.  Thankfully it was repaid in the final. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 18, 2021, 11:52:09 PM
    Just watching the All Ireland again and Frank Burns dose a serious amount of work. Dose anyone else think Kennedy and Kilpatrick look a like? Or do I need to eat more carrots.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on September 19, 2021, 07:01:32 AM
    Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 18, 2021, 11:52:09 PM
    Just watching the All Ireland again and Frank Burns dose a serious amount of work. Dose anyone else think Kennedy and Kilpatrick look a like? Or do I need to eat more carrots.

    Burns was busy.. took a sideline ball from the wrong place, there wasn't much in It,.

    The hop ball from that is taken near the D?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: MC on September 21, 2021, 11:05:22 AM
    I don't think he was behind the line when he took it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
    03, 05, 08, 21 combined

    1. Morgan
    2. Ricey
    3. Cormac
    4. Hampsey
    5. McGeary
    6 Gormley
    7. Jordan
    8. Cavanagh
    9. Hub
    10. Dooher
    11. McGuigan
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. O'Neill
    15. Canavan

    Shoot me now  ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on September 21, 2021, 11:35:21 AM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
    03, 05, 08, 21 combined

    1. Morgan
    2. Ricey
    3. Cormac
    4. Hampsey
    5. McGeary
    6 Gormley
    7. Jordan
    8. Cavanagh
    9. Hub
    10. Dooher
    11. McGuigan
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. O'Neill
    15. Canavan

    Shoot me now  ;D

    Not bad,I'd have joey at 5 and mulligan at 13
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on September 21, 2021, 12:25:16 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on September 21, 2021, 11:35:21 AM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
    03, 05, 08, 21 combined

    1. Morgan
    2. Ricey
    3. Cormac
    4. Hampsey
    5. McGeary
    6 Gormley
    7. Jordan
    8. Cavanagh
    9. Hub
    10. Dooher
    11. McGuigan
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. O'Neill
    15. Canavan

    Shoot me now  ;D

    Not bad,I'd have joey at 5 and mulligan at 13

    Matthew Donnelly with a place somewhere. Maybe at 5
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 21, 2021, 04:35:17 PM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScUzL33iDM

    Class interview with Meyler. Very interesting guy to listen to.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 21, 2021, 04:36:50 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
    03, 05, 08, 21 combined

    1. Morgan
    2. Ricey
    3. Cormac
    4. Hampsey
    5. McGeary
    6 Gormley
    7. Jordan
    8. Cavanagh
    9. Hub
    10. Dooher
    11. McGuigan
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. O'Neill
    15. Canavan

    Shoot me now  ;D

    Jeez there's some cracker players left off that team but it's so strong. Mugsy has to play for me.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: StPatsAbu on September 22, 2021, 09:19:27 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
    03, 05, 08, 21 combined

    1. Morgan
    2. Ricey
    3. Cormac
    4. Hampsey
    5. McGeary
    6 Gormley
    7. Jordan
    8. Cavanagh
    9. Hub
    10. Dooher
    11. McGuigan
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. O'Neill
    15. Canavan

    Shoot me now  ;D

    No Enda McGinley? He carried the team on his back between 05 and 08!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on September 23, 2021, 03:01:07 PM
    Ever hear of a guy called Peter Harte FFS!  He HAS to be in that team somewhere.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on September 23, 2021, 03:08:11 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
    03, 05, 08, 21 combined

    1. Morgan
    2. Ricey
    3. Cormac
    4. Hampsey
    5. McGeary
    6 Gormley
    7. Jordan
    8. Cavanagh
    9. Hub
    10. Dooher
    11. McGuigan
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. O'Neill
    15. Canavan

    Shoot me now  ;D

    Which Canavan?  ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on September 23, 2021, 03:12:10 PM
    Quote from: StPatsAbu on September 22, 2021, 09:19:27 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
    03, 05, 08, 21 combined

    1. Morgan
    2. Ricey
    3. Cormac
    4. Hampsey
    5. McGeary
    6 Gormley
    7. Jordan
    8. Cavanagh
    9. Hub
    10. Dooher
    11. McGuigan
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. O'Neill
    15. Canavan

    Shoot me now  ;D

    No Enda McGinley? He carried the team on his back between 05 and 08!

    Yes forgot about Enda, I agree he carried the team at times. Remember the old carrot, when Enda McGinley scores we don't get beat lol, was true during that era

    I'd put MF instead of Hub
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on September 23, 2021, 03:13:31 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 23, 2021, 03:01:07 PM
    Ever hear of a guy called Peter Harte FFS!  He HAS to be in that team somewhere.

    No bother Mickey
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on September 23, 2021, 03:16:29 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 23, 2021, 03:13:31 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 23, 2021, 03:01:07 PM
    Ever hear of a guy called Peter Harte FFS!  He HAS to be in that team somewhere.

    No bother Mickey
    Harte has as good a claim to POTY this year as Mc Geary, Meyler, Hampsey, Mc Curry and Morgan. He has been in Tyrones top 3 each year for a decade.   
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on September 23, 2021, 04:33:23 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on September 23, 2021, 03:16:29 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 23, 2021, 03:13:31 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 23, 2021, 03:01:07 PM
    Ever hear of a guy called Peter Harte FFS!  He HAS to be in that team somewhere.

    No bother Mickey
    Harte has as good a claim to POTY this year as Mc Geary, Meyler, Hampsey, Mc Curry and Morgan. He has been in Tyrones top 3 each year for a decade.

    Yeah would have to be in ahead of either McGeary or Meyler at the minute. They have time on their side, but at the minute Petey ahead.
    Plus agree Mcginley in for Hub.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on September 23, 2021, 07:04:11 PM
    Mattie Donnelly surely men
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on September 24, 2021, 10:10:40 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on September 23, 2021, 03:08:11 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
    03, 05, 08, 21 combined

    1. Morgan
    2. Ricey
    3. Cormac
    4. Hampsey
    5. McGeary
    6 Gormley
    7. Jordan
    8. Cavanagh
    9. Hub
    10. Dooher
    11. McGuigan
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. O'Neill
    15. Canavan

    Shoot me now  ;D

    Which Canavan?  ;D

    Thought that. Ronan O Neill a bold choice at 14 as well  ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sidelineball on September 28, 2021, 11:31:20 PM
    Mugsy joins u20 management set up. Could be a good move.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 29, 2021, 06:08:08 AM
    Quote from: sidelineball on September 28, 2021, 11:31:20 PM
    Mugsy joins u20 management set up. Could be a good move.

    Social and entertainment manager.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TabClear on September 29, 2021, 07:59:19 AM
    Quote from: sidelineball on September 28, 2021, 11:31:20 PM
    Mugsy joins u20 management set up. Could be a good move.

    It will definitely liven training up! I thought he was in London, is he playing any ball at the minute?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on September 29, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
    Some noughties men involved/were involved across Tyrone county teams now:

    Dooher
    Holmes
    Donnelly
    ONeill (was)
    McMahon
    Carlin
    Mugsy
    Gormley
    Gourley
    Devlin
    Canavan

    have I missed any?

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 29, 2021, 10:12:15 AM
    Quote from: Onthe40 on September 29, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
    Some noughties men involved/were involved across Tyrone county teams now:

    Dooher
    Holmes
    Donnelly
    ONeill (was)
    McMahon
    Carlin
    Mugsy
    Gormley
    Gourley
    Devlin
    Canavan

    have I missed any?

    Some involved in other counties too
    Ricey
    Enda McGinley
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jayop on September 29, 2021, 03:00:25 PM
    Aye Ricey just moved to the Cavan set up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ty4Sam on September 29, 2021, 03:02:46 PM
    How many fake Sam Maguire cups is there running about Tyrone at the minute? Must 4/5 of them at this stage. Lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on September 29, 2021, 03:32:06 PM
    Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 29, 2021, 03:02:46 PM
    How many fake Sam Maguire cups is there running about Tyrone at the minute? Must 4/5 of them at this stage. Lol

    Charis have been able to get one about with a donation bucket, good cause.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 29, 2021, 05:09:36 PM
    Quote from: sidelineball on September 28, 2021, 11:31:20 PM
    Mugsy joins u20 management set up. Could be a good move.
    Need to change up Paul Devlin as manager. Massive underachievement with the 4 strong panels he had.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tres Bien on September 29, 2021, 05:30:28 PM
    That u20 team should be winning an AI with that oustanding minor team from last year progressing through, the two minor sides the year before had some very good forwards like young Canavan and Fullerton from Carrickmore that should both be u20 next year.

    Does anyone know what the story is with Mark Devlin of Moortown? I saw him play for the minors two years back and he was head and shoulders Tyrone's best player but hasn't played u20 the past two years. A real classy heavy scoring no 11. Has he been injured?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 30, 2021, 10:53:17 AM
    Quote from: Tres Bien on September 29, 2021, 05:30:28 PM
    That u20 team should be winning an AI with that oustanding minor team from last year progressing through, the two minor sides the year before had some very good forwards like young Canavan and Fullerton from Carrickmore that should both be u20 next year.

    Does anyone know what the story is with Mark Devlin of Moortown? I saw him play for the minors two years back and he was head and shoulders Tyrone's best player but hasn't played u20 the past two years. A real classy heavy scoring no 11. Has he been injured?

    Hi Mark welcome to the forum.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on September 30, 2021, 10:54:10 AM
    Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 29, 2021, 03:02:46 PM
    How many fake Sam Maguire cups is there running about Tyrone at the minute? Must 4/5 of them at this stage. Lol

    Is there a real one at all or are they all fake? Did HQ ever release it? I saw there was one in Belfast the other day.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 30, 2021, 10:55:10 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on September 30, 2021, 10:54:10 AM
    Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 29, 2021, 03:02:46 PM
    How many fake Sam Maguire cups is there running about Tyrone at the minute? Must 4/5 of them at this stage. Lol

    Is there a real one at all or are they all fake? Did HQ ever release it? I saw there was one in Belfast the other day.

    Real one isn't released until 18th of October.
    All fake running about at the moment, wrapped in tinfoil IIRC

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on September 30, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
    Quote from: Tres Bien on September 29, 2021, 05:30:28 PM
    That u20 team should be winning an AI with that oustanding minor team from last year progressing through, the two minor sides the year before had some very good forwards like young Canavan and Fullerton from Carrickmore that should both be u20 next year.

    Does anyone know what the story is with Mark Devlin of Moortown? I saw him play for the minors two years back and he was head and shoulders Tyrone's best player but hasn't played u20 the past two years. A real classy heavy scoring no 11. Has he been injured?

    Last I heard he doesn't play for Moortown anymore and has taken up golf
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on October 01, 2021, 11:55:28 PM
    He got a scholarship in America for it- couldn't blame him for taking a once in a lifetime opportunity
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on October 02, 2021, 02:41:23 PM
    If you want to know how wild Mugsy is/was.....ask Mugsy
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: StPatsAbu on October 05, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 30, 2021, 10:55:10 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on September 30, 2021, 10:54:10 AM
    Quote from: Ty4Sam on September 29, 2021, 03:02:46 PM
    How many fake Sam Maguire cups is there running about Tyrone at the minute? Must 4/5 of them at this stage. Lol

    Is there a real one at all or are they all fake? Did HQ ever release it? I saw there was one in Belfast the other day.

    Real one isn't released until 18th of October.
    All fake running about at the moment, wrapped in tinfoil IIRC

    All made in Powerscreen
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 08, 2021, 09:31:13 AM
    Allstar nominees: Niall Morgan, Paudie Hampsey, Peter Harte, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler, Frank Burns, Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McKenna, Niall Sludden Darren McCurry + Cathal McShane

    Footballer of the Year Shortlist: Lee Keegan, Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary
    Young Footballer Of The Year Shortlist: Matthew Tierney, Oisin Mullen, Darragh Canavan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on October 08, 2021, 09:51:15 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 08, 2021, 09:31:13 AM
    Allstar nominees: Niall Morgan, Paudie Hampsey, Peter Harte, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler, Frank Burns, Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McKenna, Niall Sludden Darren McCurry + Cathal McShane

    Footballer of the Year Shortlist: Lee Keegan, Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary
    Young Footballer Of The Year Shortlist: Matthew Tierney, Oisin Mullen, Darragh Canavan.

    How did Canavan get nominated for young player?  Madness.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on October 08, 2021, 09:55:59 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2021, 09:51:15 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 08, 2021, 09:31:13 AM
    Allstar nominees: Niall Morgan, Paudie Hampsey, Peter Harte, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler, Frank Burns, Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McKenna, Niall Sludden Darren McCurry + Cathal McShane

    Footballer of the Year Shortlist: Lee Keegan, Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary
    Young Footballer Of The Year Shortlist: Matthew Tierney, Oisin Mullen, Darragh Canavan.

    How did Canavan get nominated for young player?  Madness.

    Son of God!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on October 08, 2021, 10:13:59 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2021, 09:51:15 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 08, 2021, 09:31:13 AM
    Allstar nominees: Niall Morgan, Paudie Hampsey, Peter Harte, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler, Frank Burns, Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McKenna, Niall Sludden Darren McCurry + Cathal McShane

    Footballer of the Year Shortlist: Lee Keegan, Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary
    Young Footballer Of The Year Shortlist: Matthew Tierney, Oisin Mullen, Darragh Canavan.

    How did Canavan get nominated for young player?  Madness.

    he hasn't played enough minutes to win it, so you would imagine Oisin Mullen will get it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tres Bien on October 08, 2021, 10:21:24 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on October 08, 2021, 10:13:59 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2021, 09:51:15 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 08, 2021, 09:31:13 AM
    Allstar nominees: Niall Morgan, Paudie Hampsey, Peter Harte, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler, Frank Burns, Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McKenna, Niall Sludden Darren McCurry + Cathal McShane

    Footballer of the Year Shortlist: Lee Keegan, Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary
    Young Footballer Of The Year Shortlist: Matthew Tierney, Oisin Mullen, Darragh Canavan.

    How did Canavan get nominated for young player?  Madness.

    he hasn't played enough minutes to win it, so you would imagine Oisin Mullen will get it.

    Mullin missed the semi final and had a poor final, got badly caught out for the McShane goal.

    Two of Mayo's games in Connacht were turkey shoots against Div 4 Sligo and Leitrim. He had a pretty poor year, an excellent player though.

    Canavan had three fleeting appearances.

    Tierney probably the most deserving winner, hit 1-03 against Roscommon to put them in the Connacht final. May have been the MOTM.

    As I said on the other thread, the YFOTY award is outdated, very few players are playing senior intercounty football under the age of 21 now and certainly very few are having any sort of meaningful impact.

    Generally players are not at the physical level required until their early 20s. When was the last 19/20 year old we had burst on the scene having a meaningful impact? Was it McCurry back in 2012?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on October 08, 2021, 11:12:09 AM
    Quote from: Tres Bien on October 08, 2021, 10:21:24 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on October 08, 2021, 10:13:59 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2021, 09:51:15 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 08, 2021, 09:31:13 AM
    Allstar nominees: Niall Morgan, Paudie Hampsey, Peter Harte, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler, Frank Burns, Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McKenna, Niall Sludden Darren McCurry + Cathal McShane

    Footballer of the Year Shortlist: Lee Keegan, Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary
    Young Footballer Of The Year Shortlist: Matthew Tierney, Oisin Mullen, Darragh Canavan.

    How did Canavan get nominated for young player?  Madness.

    he hasn't played enough minutes to win it, so you would imagine Oisin Mullen will get it.

    Mullin missed the semi final and had a poor final, got badly caught out for the McShane goal.

    Two of Mayo's games in Connacht were turkey shoots against Div 4 Sligo and Leitrim. He had a pretty poor year, an excellent player though.

    Canavan had three fleeting appearances.

    Tierney probably the most deserving winner, hit 1-03 against Roscommon to put them in the Connacht final. May have been the MOTM.

    As I said on the other thread, the YFOTY award is outdated, very few players are playing senior intercounty football under the age of 21 now and certainly very few are having any sort of meaningful impact.

    Generally players are not at the physical level required until their early 20s. When was the last 19/20 year old we had burst on the scene having a meaningful impact? Was it McCurry back in 2012?

    You are correct about Mullen this year but with McGeary expected to win footballer of the year they aren't going to give Tyrone the 2 awards, and they aren't going to give young player to a losing provincial finalist, so they will pacify Mayo with the young player award I feel.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on October 08, 2021, 02:09:13 PM
    From reading the paper this morn I was surprised to see that Packie McConnell never won an All Star not to mention never even been nominated for one.  Crazy considering the save that basically won them the All ireland in 08. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on October 09, 2021, 01:39:55 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on October 08, 2021, 02:09:13 PM
    From reading the paper this morn I was surprised to see that Packie McConnell never won an All Star not to mention never even been nominated for one.  Crazy considering the save that basically won them the All ireland in 08. 

    He only played the final that year. John Devine had a bereavement so didn't play.

    On another note, what do people make of Paddy Tally going to work with Kerry?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tres Bien on October 09, 2021, 01:50:29 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on October 09, 2021, 01:39:55 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on October 08, 2021, 02:09:13 PM
    From reading the paper this morn I was surprised to see that Packie McConnell never won an All Star not to mention never even been nominated for one.  Crazy considering the save that basically won them the All ireland in 08. 

    He only played the final that year. John Devine had a bereavement so didn't play.

    On another note, what do people make of Paddy Tally going to work with Kerry?

    Is Tally based in Galbally or Belfast?

    You'd need to be getting 50k+ a year to make that in anyways tolerable with the amount of commuting and work involved. It would be a minimum 10 hr round trip to go down to Kerry and back.

    Must be serious money involved for Tally to take it? Is he going to pack the lecturing in for a year? You'd imagine he will have to.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaaFanatic123 on October 14, 2021, 11:12:37 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on October 09, 2021, 01:39:55 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on October 08, 2021, 02:09:13 PM
    From reading the paper this morn I was surprised to see that Packie McConnell never won an All Star not to mention never even been nominated for one.  Crazy considering the save that basically won them the All ireland in 08. 

    He only played the final that year. John Devine had a bereavement so didn't play.

    On another note, what do people make of Paddy Tally going to work with Kerry?

    Brilliant move for him, would be great to get him back to a Tyrone set up again, a legend in the county!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaaFanatic123 on October 14, 2021, 11:14:03 AM
    Quote from: Tres Bien on October 09, 2021, 01:50:29 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on October 09, 2021, 01:39:55 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on October 08, 2021, 02:09:13 PM
    From reading the paper this morn I was surprised to see that Packie McConnell never won an All Star not to mention never even been nominated for one.  Crazy considering the save that basically won them the All ireland in 08. 

    He only played the final that year. John Devine had a bereavement so didn't play.

    On another note, what do people make of Paddy Tally going to work with Kerry?

    Is Tally based in Galbally or Belfast?

    You'd need to be getting 50k+ a year to make that in anyways tolerable with the amount of commuting and work involved. It would be a minimum 10 hr round trip to go down to Kerry and back.

    Must be serious money involved for Tally to take it? Is he going to pack the lecturing in for a year? You'd imagine he will have to.

    Could be lecturing from home maybe?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: StPatsAbu on October 15, 2021, 10:04:33 AM
    Quote from: Wolfetones on October 14, 2021, 11:16:52 AM
    Quote from: GaaFanatic123 on October 14, 2021, 11:14:03 AM
    Quote from: Tres Bien on October 09, 2021, 01:50:29 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on October 09, 2021, 01:39:55 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on October 08, 2021, 02:09:13 PM
    From reading the paper this morn I was surprised to see that Packie McConnell never won an All Star not to mention never even been nominated for one.  Crazy considering the save that basically won them the All ireland in 08. 

    He only played the final that year. John Devine had a bereavement so didn't play.

    On another note, what do people make of Paddy Tally going to work with Kerry?

    Is Tally based in Galbally or Belfast?

    You'd need to be getting 50k+ a year to make that in anyways tolerable with the amount of commuting and work involved. It would be a minimum 10 hr round trip to go down to Kerry and back.

    Must be serious money involved for Tally to take it? Is he going to pack the lecturing in for a year? You'd imagine he will have to.

    Could be lecturing from home maybe?

    On a sabattical from St Mary's.

    He's changed his mailing address to Rathlin Island apparently. Some mileage there!  ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 04, 2021, 12:40:37 AM
    Not sure if this is the right place to ask but has anyone got a high res photo of Tyrone prior to the All Ireland Final or a good one after the final?
    Someone has asked me to get them a framed poster!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on December 04, 2021, 07:26:17 AM
    (https://sluggerotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/E_BaQ5kXsAUzmsI.webp)

    First result on Google images. Looks like it might be made for a poster oneills or somebody are selling. Maybe not the most original if that's what you're looking.

    Edit here's a good one bit might not work for a poster:
    (https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article24965037.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_inpho_01877450jp.jpg) 
    If you right click and save as you should get these at original high resolution.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Eire90 on December 05, 2021, 03:33:06 AM
    Friday night lights as McKenna Cup gets county season under way


    https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2021/12/02/news/friday-night-lights-as-mckenna-cup-gets-county-season-under-way-2524601/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 05, 2021, 04:07:58 AM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on December 04, 2021, 07:26:17 AM
    (https://sluggerotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/E_BaQ5kXsAUzmsI.webp)

    First result on Google images. Looks like it might be made for a poster oneills or somebody are selling. Maybe not the most original if that's what you're looking.

    Edit here's a good one bit might not work for a poster:
    (https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article24965037.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_inpho_01877450jp.jpg) 
    If you right click and save as you should get these at original high resolution.

    Thanks CK
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on December 08, 2021, 12:36:46 PM
    With the training allowed to resume today, has anyone heard of any call ups? Surely a few dromore men will be up
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on December 10, 2021, 12:43:54 PM
    Emmet Mc Nabb is a fine footballer, Peter Teague already is in there. Any others? Ruari Canavan... 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on December 10, 2021, 01:34:02 PM
    Heard that McGleenan (younger one) , Emmet Mcnabb, Padraig Mcnulty and Ryan Jones all are called up on a trial basis
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on December 10, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
    I have heard of 2 from Aghyaran, 1 GC, 1 Kildress and 2 Owen Roes players. Expecting 2/3 Moortown players but not until ulster campaign is won

    Not expecting much more D2 players considering we have 3 Edendork and 3 Pomeroy players already plus players on the other teams fighting relegation in D1 on Sunday
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on December 10, 2021, 02:03:07 PM
    and considering the strength of the existing team, bench and wider panel its going to be tough to break into.  Buts really good to see the door open to more talent and a merit based approach.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on December 10, 2021, 04:29:16 PM
    A few All-Stars expected this evening.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on December 10, 2021, 04:32:30 PM
    Im expecting at least 6 and up to 9
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on December 10, 2021, 08:12:42 PM
    8 - some going.

    Who was most unlucky to miss out? Mckernan, McNamee, kilpatrick
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on December 10, 2021, 08:59:59 PM
    Great to see Sludden pick one up as most others except for Kennedy Certs. Kennedy a big surprise for me
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on December 10, 2021, 09:24:35 PM
    Does McNamee have 2 already?  If so not too disappointed for him. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on December 11, 2021, 09:13:43 AM
    Big Kennedy definitely a surprise.. but good luck to him..if anything Kilpatrick may have edged one for me. Kerry's (Moran) midfield performance in the semi was the best of the year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 11, 2021, 10:20:16 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on December 10, 2021, 08:12:42 PM
    8 - some going.

    Who was most unlucky to miss out? Mckernan, McNamee, kilpatrick
    O'Sullivan ahead of McKernan or even McNamee is harsh. Suspect they didn't want to give Tyrone 5 of the 6 defensive positions. Although paddy durcan could also have got one.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on December 11, 2021, 09:30:54 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on December 10, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
    I have heard of 2 from Aghyaran, 1 GC, 1 Kildress and 2 Owen Roes players. Expecting 2/3 Moortown players but not until ulster campaign is won

    Not expecting much more D2 players considering we have 3 Edendork and 3 Pomeroy players already plus players on the other teams fighting relegation in D1 on Sunday

    Haven't heard if Kildress player got a trial but would be expecting one. Think we had the top scorer in Tyrone and almost top scorer in championship with only two games played.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Gaafan2 on December 11, 2021, 11:39:35 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 11, 2021, 09:30:54 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on December 10, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
    I have heard of 2 from Aghyaran, 1 GC, 1 Kildress and 2 Owen Roes players. Expecting 2/3 Moortown players but not until ulster campaign is won

    Not expecting much more D2 players considering we have 3 Edendork and 3 Pomeroy players already plus players on the other teams fighting relegation in D1 on Sunday

    Haven't heard if Kildress player got a trial but would be expecting one. Think we had the top scorer in Tyrone and almost top scorer in championship with only two games played.

    Who's the kildress player?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on December 12, 2021, 06:27:31 AM
    Quote from: gaafan2 on December 11, 2021, 11:39:35 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 11, 2021, 09:30:54 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on December 10, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
    I have heard of 2 from Aghyaran, 1 GC, 1 Kildress and 2 Owen Roes players. Expecting 2/3 Moortown players but not until ulster campaign is won

    Not expecting much more D2 players considering we have 3 Edendork and 3 Pomeroy players already plus players on the other teams fighting relegation in D1 on Sunday

    Haven't heard if Kildress player got a trial but would be expecting one. Think we had the top scorer in Tyrone and almost top scorer in championship with only two games played.

    Who's the kildress player?

    Matty McGuigan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Take_her_back_ref on December 12, 2021, 07:40:45 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 12, 2021, 06:27:31 AM
    Quote from: gaafan2 on December 11, 2021, 11:39:35 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 11, 2021, 09:30:54 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on December 10, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
    I have heard of 2 from Aghyaran, 1 GC, 1 Kildress and 2 Owen Roes players. Expecting 2/3 Moortown players but not until ulster campaign is won

    Not expecting much more D2 players considering we have 3 Edendork and 3 Pomeroy players already plus players on the other teams fighting relegation in D1 on Sunday



    Haven't heard if Kildress player got a trial but would be expecting one. Think we had the top scorer in Tyrone and almost top scorer in championship with only two games played.

    Who's the kildress player?

    Matty McGuigan

    Would Mattie be physically strong enough to play county football?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on December 12, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
    I'd say so. I'd have him as strong as McCurry, Canavan, Brennan, Bradley.

    And sure that's what trials are for to find out.

    It would be good to see how he'd fair at a trial considering he's double marked every game we play. And wouldn't be in a trial but would be up against top defender.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on December 14, 2021, 09:47:39 PM
    Trials up in Garvaghey tonight, anyone got reliable word on newcomers or trialists.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on December 15, 2021, 09:34:40 AM
    https://www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/tyrone-gaa-star-finds-himself-12th-in-premier-league-fantasy-rankings-out-of-8-million-244238 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/tyrone-gaa-star-finds-himself-12th-in-premier-league-fantasy-rankings-out-of-8-million-244238)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on December 15, 2021, 10:07:00 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 12, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
    I'd say so. I'd have him as strong as McCurry, Canavan, Brennan, Bradley.

    And sure that's what trials are for to find out.

    It would be good to see how he'd fair at a trial considering he's double marked every game we play. And wouldn't be in a trial but would be up against top defender.

    surely takin the hand here
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on December 15, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on December 15, 2021, 10:07:00 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 12, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
    I'd say so. I'd have him as strong as McCurry, Canavan, Brennan, Bradley.

    And sure that's what trials are for to find out.

    It would be good to see how he'd fair at a trial considering he's double marked every game we play. And wouldn't be in a trial but would be up against top defender.

    surely takin the hand here

    Maybe you haven't read all the posts the question was on physical strength not on ability. Is that how you read it?

    Was awarded the Top Scorer in Div2 this evening (over 100 points) after picking up the award in Div3 last year - my only point was that I'd have expected them to offer a trial but not aware of any trials yet for players from our club.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 15, 2021, 11:51:28 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on December 10, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
    I have heard of 2 from Aghyaran, 1 GC, 1 Kildress and 2 Owen Roes players. Expecting 2/3 Moortown players but not until ulster campaign is won

    Not expecting much more D2 players considering we have 3 Edendork and 3 Pomeroy players already plus players on the other teams fighting relegation in D1 on Sunday

    Moortown won't be winning any ulsters
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Take_her_back_ref on December 16, 2021, 11:00:13 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 15, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on December 15, 2021, 10:07:00 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 12, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
    I'd say so. I'd have him as strong as McCurry, Canavan, Brennan, Bradley.

    And sure that's what trials are for to find out.

    It would be good to see how he'd fair at a trial considering he's double marked every game we play. And wouldn't be in a trial but would be up against top defender.

    surely takin the hand here

    Maybe you haven't read all the posts the question was on physical strength not on ability. Is that how you read it?

    Was awarded the Top Scorer in Div2 this evening (over 100 points) after picking up the award in Div3 last year - my only point was that I'd have expected them to offer a trial but not aware of any trials yet for players from our club.

    Yeah maybe a trial for the season he's had but I've seen him play numerous times and really don't think he's at that level. Any county defender would have little bother containing him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on December 16, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 15, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on December 15, 2021, 10:07:00 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 12, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
    I'd say so. I'd have him as strong as McCurry, Canavan, Brennan, Bradley.

    And sure that's what trials are for to find out.

    It would be good to see how he'd fair at a trial considering he's double marked every game we play. And wouldn't be in a trial but would be up against top defender.

    surely takin the hand here

    Maybe you haven't read all the posts the question was on physical strength not on ability. Is that how you read it?

    Was awarded the Top Scorer in Div2 this evening (over 100 points) after picking up the award in Div3 last year - my only point was that I'd have expected them to offer a trial but not aware of any trials yet for players from our club.

    think one of the two of us is very confused here

    Great player, but comparing him to the names you have mentioned, on ability OR strength - is wild

    i think you were comparing them originally on strength/stature and that's even worse IMO. but everyone has an opinion so i won't tell you yours is wrong
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Gaafan2 on December 16, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on December 16, 2021, 11:04:11 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 15, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
    Quote from: kickitin on December 15, 2021, 10:07:00 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 12, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
    I'd say so. I'd have him as strong as McCurry, Canavan, Brennan, Bradley.

    And sure that's what trials are for to find out.

    It would be good to see how he'd fair at a trial considering he's double marked every game we play. And wouldn't be in a trial but would be up against top defender.

    surely takin the hand here

    Maybe you haven't read all the posts the question was on physical strength not on ability. Is that how you read it?

    Was awarded the Top Scorer in Div2 this evening (over 100 points) after picking up the award in Div3 last year - my only point was that I'd have expected them to offer a trial but not aware of any trials yet for players from our club.

    think one of the two of us is very confused here

    Great player, but comparing him to the names you have mentioned, on ability OR strength - is wild

    i think you were comparing them originally on strength/stature and that's even worse IMO. but everyone has an opinion so i won't tell you yours is wrong

    I've a feeling WT4E is either Mattie or a close relative  ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on December 16, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
    I'm not Mattie - I'm a Kildress Wolfe Tones member and supporter who has clearly stated on my profile my club and have been posting for years now. Do you think only a close relative within the club would support a trial for McGuigan??

    I find it hard to believe that someone who says they are from Fintona (kickitin) knows so much about a Kildress Forward.

    I make the point again I never said that he is definitely county standard but just thought that he has done enough in two seasons to be looked at. We've had worst footballers in Tyrone in my opinion not only to make the squad but also pick up Celtic Crosses.

    Someone asked about strength - why is it worse to compare them on strength and stature when that was the question - hope we don't have to organise a weight lifting competition but he's certainly not Matty Donnelly but maybe stronger than some think!

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on December 16, 2021, 02:23:12 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 16, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
    I'm not Mattie - I'm a Kildress Wolfe Tones member and supporter who has clearly stated on my profile my club and have been posting for years now. Do you think only a close relative within the club would support a trial for McGuigan??

    I find it hard to believe that someone who says they are from Fintona (kickitin) knows so much about a Kildress Forward.

    I make the point again I never said that he is definitely county standard but just thought that he has done enough in two seasons to be looked at. We've had worst footballers in Tyrone in my opinion not only to make the squad but also pick up Celtic Crosses.

    Someone asked about strength - why is it worse to compare them on strength and stature when that was the question - hope we don't have to organise a weight lifting competition but he's certainly not Matty Donnelly but maybe stronger than some think!

    Jeez WT4E - talk about taking the bait lol


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on December 16, 2021, 02:30:15 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on December 16, 2021, 02:23:12 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 16, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
    I'm not Mattie - I'm a Kildress Wolfe Tones member and supporter who has clearly stated on my profile my club and have been posting for years now. Do you think only a close relative within the club would support a trial for McGuigan??

    I find it hard to believe that someone who says they are from Fintona (kickitin) knows so much about a Kildress Forward.

    I make the point again I never said that he is definitely county standard but just thought that he has done enough in two seasons to be looked at. We've had worst footballers in Tyrone in my opinion not only to make the squad but also pick up Celtic Crosses.

    Someone asked about strength - why is it worse to compare them on strength and stature when that was the question - hope we don't have to organise a weight lifting competition but he's certainly not Matty Donnelly but maybe stronger than some think!

    Jeez WT4E - talk about taking the bait lol

    :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GKunion on December 16, 2021, 03:22:08 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 16, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
    I'm not Mattie - I'm a Kildress Wolfe Tones member and supporter who has clearly stated on my profile my club and have been posting for years now. Do you think only a close relative within the club would support a trial for McGuigan??

    I find it hard to believe that someone who says they are from Fintona (kickitin) knows so much about a Kildress Forward.

    I make the point again I never said that he is definitely county standard but just thought that he has done enough in two seasons to be looked at. We've had worst footballers in Tyrone in my opinion not only to make the squad but also pick up Celtic Crosses.

    Someone asked about strength - why is it worse to compare them on strength and stature when that was the question - hope we don't have to organise a weight lifting competition but he's certainly not Matty Donnelly but maybe stronger than some think!
    Please elaborate Mattie
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on December 16, 2021, 03:40:18 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on December 16, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
    I'm not Mattie - I'm a Kildress Wolfe Tones member and supporter who has clearly stated on my profile my club and have been posting for years now. Do you think only a close relative within the club would support a trial for McGuigan??

    I find it hard to believe that someone who says they are from Fintona (kickitin) knows so much about a Kildress Forward.

    I make the point again I never said that he is definitely county standard but just thought that he has done enough in two seasons to be looked at. We've had worst footballers in Tyrone in my opinion not only to make the squad but also pick up Celtic Crosses.

    Someone asked about strength - why is it worse to compare them on strength and stature when that was the question - hope we don't have to organise a weight lifting competition but he's certainly not Matty Donnelly but maybe stronger than some think!

    congratulations on the top scorer award Matt
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on December 16, 2021, 04:32:49 PM
    Its now getting childish. Thanks for the views lads.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on December 17, 2021, 01:52:56 PM
    Hi lads, long time admirer, first time poster. Any more news on new additions to the Senior panel or word from the trials conducted in Garvaghey during he week? Wonder will one or two new faces get a run out in the Charity trial in Armagh tonight?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on December 17, 2021, 04:51:24 PM
    The Tyrone team that will play tonight. Some new faces!!

    Niall Morgan, Conall Grimes, Conor Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ryan McCusker, Kieran McGeary, Shea Hamill, Richie Donnelly, Rory Brennan, Nathan Donnelly, Cathal McShane, James Garity, Lee Brennan, Michael Conroy, Liam Nugent

    Above as per Niall Gartland @Niall_Gartland
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 17, 2021, 04:55:26 PM
    Quote from: God14 on December 17, 2021, 04:51:24 PM
    The Tyrone team that will play tonight. Some new faces!!

    Niall Morgan, Conall Grimes, Conor Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ryan McCusker, Kieran McGeary, Shea Hamill, Richie Donnelly, Rory Brennan, Nathan Donnelly, Cathal McShane, James Garrity, Lee Brennan, Michael Conroy, Liam Nugent

    Above as per Niall Gartland @Niall_Gartland
    Subs: Lorcan Quinn, Ryan Coleman, Niall Sludden, Michael McKernan, Ryan Jones.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on December 17, 2021, 07:43:11 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 17, 2021, 04:55:26 PM
    Quote from: God14 on December 17, 2021, 04:51:24 PM
    The Tyrone team that will play tonight. Some new faces!!

    Niall Morgan, Conall Grimes, Conor Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ryan McCusker, Kieran McGeary, Shea Hamill, Richie Donnelly, Rory Brennan, Nathan Donnelly, Cathal McShane, James Garrity, Lee Brennan, Michael Conroy, Liam Nugent

    Above as per Niall Gartland @Niall_Gartland
    Subs: Lorcan Quinn, Ryan Coleman, Niall Sludden, Michael McKernan, Ryan Jones.

    There are more than that on bench
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on December 17, 2021, 08:01:21 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 17, 2021, 04:55:26 PM
    Quote from: God14 on December 17, 2021, 04:51:24 PM
    The Tyrone team that will play tonight. Some new faces!!

    Niall Morgan, Conall Grimes, Conor Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ryan McCusker, Kieran McGeary, Shea Hamill, Richie Donnelly, Rory Brennan, Nathan Donnelly, Cathal McShane, James Garrity, Lee Brennan, Michael Conroy, Liam Nugent

    Above as per Niall Gartland @Niall_Gartland
    Subs: Lorcan Quinn, Ryan Coleman, Niall Sludden, Michael McKernan, Ryan Jones.

    And looking further down the bench....
    S Donaghy (Stephen?)
    LDonnelly (Luke?)
    N Devlin?
    C Bogue
    C Cush (Conor?)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on December 25, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
    Stuck on the All-Ireland final again today.  Might put on the semi v kerry tomorrow.  Might be a bit sad but don't think I'll ever tire of some of those games.  Great stuff
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on December 25, 2021, 09:33:27 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on December 25, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
    Stuck on the All-Ireland final again today.  Might put on the semi v kerry tomorrow.  Might be a bit sad but don't think I'll ever tire of some of those games.  Great stuff

    I will watch that semi final once a year forever.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on December 28, 2021, 10:24:33 PM
    The Irish News reporting three players have stepped away from the senior panel for upcoming season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on December 28, 2021, 10:28:30 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on December 28, 2021, 10:24:33 PM
    The Irish News reporting three players have stepped away from the senior panel for upcoming season.

    What I HEARD was

    Mccann
    HP McGeary
    Cassidy

    First 2 got engaged recently (not sure about cassidy). Hard to begrudge them wanting their evenings and weekends back at this stage in life. They've been great for the county and I wish them well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on December 28, 2021, 10:33:14 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on December 28, 2021, 10:28:30 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on December 28, 2021, 10:24:33 PM
    The Irish News reporting three players have stepped away from the senior panel for upcoming season.

    What I HEARD was

    Mccann
    HP McGeary
    Cassidy

    First 2 got engaged recently (not sure about cassidy). Hard to begrudge them wanting their evenings and weekends back at this stage in life. They've been great for the county and I wish them well.

    Kieran said in one of his post-award interviews that HP was hanging them up with the county and moving to Rostrevor
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on December 28, 2021, 11:05:57 PM
    Have their Celtic Cross' now, Cassidy been unfortunate with injury. McCann been a great servant and Hugh Pat was always there pushing leaves with head held high too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on December 29, 2021, 01:25:58 AM
    Irish News have it as Hugh Pat, Cassidy and Rony O'Neill.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 29, 2021, 04:53:15 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on December 17, 2021, 08:01:21 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 17, 2021, 04:55:26 PM
    Quote from: God14 on December 17, 2021, 04:51:24 PM
    The Tyrone team that will play tonight. Some new faces!!

    Niall Morgan, Conall Grimes, Conor Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ryan McCusker, Kieran McGeary, Shea Hamill, Richie Donnelly, Rory Brennan, Nathan Donnelly, Cathal McShane, James Garrity, Lee Brennan, Michael Conroy, Liam Nugent

    Above as per Niall Gartland @Niall_Gartland
    Subs: Lorcan Quinn, Ryan Coleman, Niall Sludden, Michael McKernan, Ryan Jones.

    And looking further down the bench....
    S Donaghy (Stephen?)
    LDonnelly (Luke?)
    N Devlin?
    C Bogue
    C Cush (Conor?)

    Stephen Donaghy - Moy
    Luke Donnelly - Eglish
    Niall Devlin - Coalisland
    Ciaran Bogue - Clogher
    Conor Cush - Donaghmore
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on December 29, 2021, 05:13:40 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 29, 2021, 04:53:15 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on December 17, 2021, 08:01:21 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 17, 2021, 04:55:26 PM
    Quote from: God14 on December 17, 2021, 04:51:24 PM
    The Tyrone team that will play tonight. Some new faces!!

    Niall Morgan, Conall Grimes, Conor Quinn, Padraig Hampsey, Ryan McCusker, Kieran McGeary, Shea Hamill, Richie Donnelly, Rory Brennan, Nathan Donnelly, Cathal McShane, James Garrity, Lee Brennan, Michael Conroy, Liam Nugent

    Above as per Niall Gartland @Niall_Gartland
    Subs: Lorcan Quinn, Ryan Coleman, Niall Sludden, Michael McKernan, Ryan Jones.

    And looking further down the bench....
    S Donaghy (Stephen?)
    LDonnelly (Luke?)
    N Devlin?
    C Bogue
    C Cush (Conor?)

    Stephen Donaghy - Moy
    Luke Donnelly - Eglish
    Niall Devlin - Coalisland
    Ciaran Bogue - Clogher
    Conor Cush - Donaghmore
    Cheers, I got 2 of them (I was thinking there was another Stephen Donaghy)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on December 29, 2021, 05:20:52 PM
    Looking like big Paudie McNulty has rejoined the panel too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on December 29, 2021, 05:38:01 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on December 29, 2021, 05:20:52 PM
    Looking like big Paudie McNulty has rejoined the panel too.

    That's good news. Always thought paudie was good when harte played him. He's big, strong and runs straight at the defence.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on December 29, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
    Tyrone squad flying  out tomorrow. Being tested today. Hopefully all negative !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on December 29, 2021, 09:52:59 PM
    McNulty with the current two is a good mix. It will be interesting to see how kilpatrick and Kennedy fair next year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on December 29, 2021, 10:40:42 PM
    You know I think the two boys will do rightly, they had some year in fairness.

    Just watching the semi final game against Kerry (again). Niall for all his brilliance couldn't find them with some of his kick outs. But got it corrected it for the final which made a huge difference. Also saving the team alot of energy.

    McNulty is Kilpatrick/ Kennedy type of player big strong and powerful running at teams. A battering ram. I'm a fan.

    Had a good game against Meath a few years ago, in a back door game down in Navan. Unlucky not to get a goal that day too if I can mine right.

    I'd say Cathal will be a regular starter next year now that he's fully fit

    Great competition for places. Future looks good.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on December 29, 2021, 11:23:45 PM
    Jesus what a difference a year makes.  When you think where we were last year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on December 29, 2021, 11:33:32 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on December 29, 2021, 09:52:59 PM
    McNulty with the current two is a good mix. It will be interesting to see how kilpatrick and Kennedy fair next year

    Did Brian Kennedy not break his ankle in one of the last club games. He will find it tight to get back fully fit for Ulster preliminary game in mid April with all the competition in the squad - he will be missed in the NFL. He has improved immensely
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on January 01, 2022, 07:13:40 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on December 29, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
    Tyrone squad flying  out tomorrow. Being tested today. Hopefully all negative !

    I'm sure its been mentioned within the squad, but Florida is one of the highest cases on the states, so if there is an outbreak when they get home that delays games there will be a hanlin
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on January 01, 2022, 09:06:18 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 01, 2022, 07:13:40 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on December 29, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
    Tyrone squad flying  out tomorrow. Being tested today. Hopefully all negative !

    I'm sure its been mentioned within the squad, but Florida is one of the highest cases on the states, so if there is an outbreak when they get home that delays games there will be a hanlin
    We have history. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 01, 2022, 09:23:13 PM
    Who cares? The boys won Sam, they've earned the blow out

    Tyrone will fulfill their mckenna Cup fixtures, no matter how many Covid cases there are on the trip. By the time the league commences we will have as many Covid cases as the rest of the country
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ghost on January 02, 2022, 04:42:50 AM
    Quote from: God14 on January 01, 2022, 09:23:13 PM
    Who cares? The boys won Sam, they've earned the blow out

    Tyrone will fulfill their mckenna Cup fixtures, no matter how many Covid cases there are on the trip. By the time the league commences we will have as many Covid cases as the rest of the country

    Just happened to  be having a nosey but aye the league is going to be an absolute sh*t show for everyone with the way these covid cases are.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on January 04, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
    Sean Loughran from my own club Carrickmore received a call up. Deservedly so, stand out performed all year for us. Has played Tyrone underage, lined out at 6 Tyrone U21s few years back. Received an all star at full back this year. Done a fine job on Petey Harte in the final league game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 07, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
    I'm not on Instagram or social media, but i still get a Florida update everyday at work from people with no connection to GAA or Tyrone. GAA men nowadays are not like the old days. Wouldn't have caught Fay Devlin or Stephen Lawn going on like that.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GKunion on January 07, 2022, 03:26:06 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 07, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
    I'm not on Instagram or social media, but i still get a Florida update everyday at work from people with no connection to GAA or Tyrone. GAA men nowadays are not like the old days. Wouldn't have caught Fay Devlin or Stephen Lawn going on like that.
    Hope the same people provide you with the updates of them putting in a decent shift in gyms over there. Work hard party harder :-X
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 07, 2022, 03:34:49 PM
    Quote from: GKunion on January 07, 2022, 03:26:06 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 07, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
    I'm not on Instagram or social media, but i still get a Florida update everyday at work from people with no connection to GAA or Tyrone. GAA men nowadays are not like the old days. Wouldn't have caught Fay Devlin or Stephen Lawn going on like that.
    Hope the same people provide you with the updates of them putting in a decent shift in gyms over there. Work hard party harder :-X

    Yes they did indeed. Some dodgy shirts on display.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on January 07, 2022, 04:25:53 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 07, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
    I'm not on Instagram or social media, but i still get a Florida update everyday at work from people with no connection to GAA or Tyrone. GAA men nowadays are not like the old days. Wouldn't have caught Fay Devlin or Stephen Lawn going on like that.
    Thats the problem in the GAA, the shift boys put in 12 months of the year and still get a bit of backlash and comments like that. More than earned it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 07, 2022, 04:40:07 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 07, 2022, 04:25:53 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 07, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
    I'm not on Instagram or social media, but i still get a Florida update everyday at work from people with no connection to GAA or Tyrone. GAA men nowadays are not like the old days. Wouldn't have caught Fay Devlin or Stephen Lawn going on like that.
    Thats the problem in the GAA, the shift boys put in 12 months of the year and still get a bit of backlash and comments like that. More than earned it.

    It was a joke...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on January 09, 2022, 10:13:28 PM
    Along with the three mentioned I don't think Lorcan Quinn, Johnny Munroe, Lee Brennan, Mark Bradley went on the trip, so possibly may feature too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on January 09, 2022, 10:14:15 PM
    May be wrong on that however.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 09, 2022, 10:38:29 PM
    J Munroe name dropped a bit last year and could be a useful addition
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 10, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Why is donaghy away?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 12:45:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 10, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Why is donaghy away?
    Understandable, season of a lifetime followed by not much football the following year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on January 10, 2022, 12:53:06 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 12:45:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 10, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Why is donaghy away?
    Understandable, season of a lifetime followed by not much football the following year.

    Heard he left to concentrate on getting his place on this new superclub/galactacos being assembled in Dungannon

    Toss up between them and Errigal for the Champ this year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on January 10, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 12:45:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 10, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Why is donaghy away?
    Understandable, season of a lifetime followed by not much football the following year.

    Yeah but the 'following year' included winning an Ulster Championship, winning a Celtic Cross and playing in Croke Park in the AI final. Not exactly a bad year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 10, 2022, 01:37:30 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 10, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 12:45:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 10, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Why is donaghy away?
    Understandable, season of a lifetime followed by not much football the following year.

    Yeah but the 'following year' included winning an Ulster Championship, winning a Celtic Cross and playing in Croke Park in the AI final. Not exactly a bad year.

    Seems like a strange decision. He played well in his first game and was given a few more games after that but didn't make as much of an impact. Thought he would have pushed on this year with a year's experience under him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 01:38:54 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 10, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 12:45:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 10, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Why is donaghy away?
    Understandable, season of a lifetime followed by not much football the following year.

    Yeah but the 'following year' included winning an Ulster Championship, winning a Celtic Cross and playing in Croke Park in the AI final. Not exactly a bad year.
    By no means a bad year but from a personal point of view, i'd imagine he values the medal which he contributed to in the way he did more. Believe management have told students to play for Universities in McKenna cup so more familiar faces on show tomorrow and less debutants you'd think.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on January 10, 2022, 01:53:39 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 01:38:54 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 10, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 12:45:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 10, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Why is donaghy away?
    Understandable, season of a lifetime followed by not much football the following year.

    Yeah but the 'following year' included winning an Ulster Championship, winning a Celtic Cross and playing in Croke Park in the AI final. Not exactly a bad year.
    By no means a bad year but from a personal point of view, i'd imagine he values the medal which he contributed to in the way he did more. Believe management have told students to play for Universities in McKenna cup so more familiar faces on show tomorrow and less debutants you'd think.

    Universities aren't in the McKenna Cup?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 10, 2022, 01:53:39 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 01:38:54 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 10, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 10, 2022, 12:45:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 10, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Why is donaghy away?
    Understandable, season of a lifetime followed by not much football the following year.

    Yeah but the 'following year' included winning an Ulster Championship, winning a Celtic Cross and playing in Croke Park in the AI final. Not exactly a bad year.
    By no means a bad year but from a personal point of view, i'd imagine he values the medal which he contributed to in the way he did more. Believe management have told students to play for Universities in McKenna cup so more familiar faces on show tomorrow and less debutants you'd think.

    Universities aren't in the McKenna Cup?
    Apologies, *Sigerson*
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JuniorBAllstar on January 11, 2022, 02:40:32 PM
    Seeing online it's £20 into game tonight

    Surely a bit steep for a McKenna cup first round game?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 11, 2022, 05:52:54 PM
    Line up for tonight:

    1. Lorcan Quinn
    2. Liam Rafferty
    3. Conor Quinn
    4. Padraig Hampsey
    5. Shea Hamill
    6. Rory Brennan
    7. Peter Harte
    8. Richard Donnelly
    9. Joe Oguz
    10. Nathan Donnelly
    11. Kieran McGeary
    12. Tomas Carney
    13. Darren McCurry
    14. Michael Conroy
    15. Lee Brennan

    16. Darragh McAnenly
    17. Sean Loughran
    18. Conall Grimes
    19. Michael McKernan
    20. Mattie Murnaghan
    21. Rory Donnelly
    22. Conn Kilpatrick
    23. Conor Meyler
    24. Peter Herron
    25. Niall Sludden
    26. Frank Burns
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on January 11, 2022, 05:55:28 PM
    A lot of knew faces in the squad tonight. Joe o guz errigal. Tomas carney derrylaughan. Nathan donnelly KC. Sean loughran and Rory donnelly Carrickmore. Conall grimes loughmccrory being reintroduced to the squad after previously leaving it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on January 11, 2022, 06:13:07 PM
    Is Peter Herron new in?
    I thought he had a quieter championship than previous years but still deserves the chance.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 11, 2022, 06:44:09 PM
    Yeah this is his first involvement in the senior set up. I'm not sure if he was ever involved in underage teams down through the years. He's been fairly consistent over the last 3 or 4 years so as you say deserves his go at it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on January 11, 2022, 07:21:48 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 11, 2022, 06:44:09 PM
    Yeah this is his first involvement in the senior set up. I'm not sure if he was ever involved in underage teams down through the years. He's been fairly consistent over the last 3 or 4 years so as you say deserves his go at it.

    Done his full uni degree in Liverpool only recently graduated probably couldn't commit until now
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on January 11, 2022, 07:29:06 PM
    are these lads in the squad or just being called up to have a look at? there seemed to be alot of different faces v Armagh back in December
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on January 11, 2022, 07:36:47 PM
    I thought Emmett McNabb from Dromore would get a run out. Great player. Maybe he's injured?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on January 11, 2022, 07:50:03 PM
    Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on January 11, 2022, 07:36:47 PM
    I thought Emmett McNabb from Dromore would get a run out. Great player. Maybe he's injured?
    Still injured from Derrygonnelly game, as is Ryan McCusker and Peter Teague
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on January 11, 2022, 08:39:06 PM
    Kickout's killing Tyrone. Why would you have Lee Brennan on and not let him hit the free kicks?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 11, 2022, 08:44:39 PM
    Quote from: PMG1 on January 11, 2022, 08:39:06 PM
    Kickout's killing Tyrone. Why would you have Lee Brennan on and not let him hit the free kicks?
    In fairness mccurry is the regular left footed free taker and is usually very good. Having a shocker so far tonight though
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Trap on January 11, 2022, 08:53:28 PM
    I would say there are a few boys there playing their first and last games for Tyrone
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 11, 2022, 08:58:53 PM
    Quote from: The Trap on January 11, 2022, 08:53:28 PM
    I would say there are a few boys there playing their first and last games for Tyrone

    Thankfully I decided not to purchase the game lol. Bit embarrassing really even if it's only the mckenna cup.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 11, 2022, 09:03:28 PM
    Any reports
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 11, 2022, 09:06:20 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 11, 2022, 09:03:28 PM
    Any reports

    Not good.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on January 11, 2022, 09:06:55 PM
    You can listen on the wireless on northern sound.
    https://www.northernsound.ie/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on January 11, 2022, 09:29:15 PM
    Their minds are still in Miami. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 11, 2022, 09:36:58 PM
    Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 11, 2022, 09:29:15 PM
    Their minds are still in Miami.

    I didn't expect much but that is a bit embarrassing. Doubt dooher will be impressed.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 11, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
    Even under the circumstances it's been pretty awful. It was a good evening for those that weren't picked.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on January 11, 2022, 09:52:35 PM
    Think we're reading to much into it lol. First game of the season with a lot men getting there first taste of county football and men probably still in recovery mode from holiday. That is also a very strong Cavan team being used tonight. Results not great but wouldn't take much heed.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 11, 2022, 09:56:27 PM
    I don't know how much we learned from that. Nobody had a poor enough game to rule them out for the future. Harte and hampsey the best of a bad bunch.

    Sean loughran looked decent off the bench
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 11, 2022, 09:58:19 PM
    I wouldn't be worried about it but still disappointing for the many new players given an opportunity tonight. It would be easier for them with a few more experienced heads around them without doubt, but nobody took the chance to impress.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JimStynes on January 11, 2022, 10:28:38 PM
    Why'd some boys and management not attend the trip away?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on January 11, 2022, 10:30:03 PM
    LOGAN/DOOHER OUT!!!!!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 11, 2022, 10:50:56 PM
    Quote from: JimStynes on January 11, 2022, 10:28:38 PM
    Why'd some boys and management not attend the trip away?

    Work, family, covid come to mind
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on January 11, 2022, 11:10:40 PM
    Harte in!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on January 12, 2022, 12:08:21 AM
    Just getting the Killarney type game out of the way nice and early this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on January 12, 2022, 09:43:53 AM
    Game on Sat should be interesting,Armagh would love to hand out a beating like last night.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 12, 2022, 10:07:39 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on January 11, 2022, 11:10:40 PM
    Harte in!

    ;D ;D ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on January 12, 2022, 10:22:50 AM
    wouldn't be too concerned with last night.. Tyrones more established players especially McGeary didn't seem to try a leg.. on the other hand however some of the lads trying to stake a claim looked completely out of place..McCurry had one of those nights of old, everything he hit blazed wide..dont see many changes to the 2022 squad based on last night
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on January 12, 2022, 10:47:02 AM
    A few of the players who have been around for a number of years now could lose their place on the squad too imo, based on last nights showing along with their input in recent seasons
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The_Slug on January 12, 2022, 10:49:30 AM
    are there any more players leaving the panel, other than Ronan O'Neill, Michael Cassidy and HP McGeary? a previous comment says Paul Donaghy has walked, is anyone aware of others? i assume that each player who leaves will be replaced by the time the national league comes round. at a minimum there'll be 4 new faces so far.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on January 12, 2022, 11:26:54 AM
    Quote from: The_Slug on January 12, 2022, 10:49:30 AM
    are there any more players leaving the panel, other than Ronan O'Neill, Michael Cassidy and HP McGeary? a previous comment says Paul Donaghy has walked, is anyone aware of others? i assume that each player who leaves will be replaced by the time the national league comes round. at a minimum there'll be 4 new faces so far.

    possibly.. but I didn't see any new face that really put their hand up last night.. maybe your lad Loughran though he kicked that wonder score when the game was long up
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneOnlooker on January 12, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on January 12, 2022, 10:49:30 AM
    are there any more players leaving the panel, other than Ronan O'Neill, Michael Cassidy and HP McGeary? a previous comment says Paul Donaghy has walked, is anyone aware of others? i assume that each player who leaves will be replaced by the time the national league comes round. at a minimum there'll be 4 new faces so far.

    Heard Tiarnan McCann had left too
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on January 12, 2022, 02:19:38 PM
    Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on January 12, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on January 12, 2022, 10:49:30 AM
    are there any more players leaving the panel, other than Ronan O'Neill, Michael Cassidy and HP McGeary? a previous comment says Paul Donaghy has walked, is anyone aware of others? i assume that each player who leaves will be replaced by the time the national league comes round. at a minimum there'll be 4 new faces so far.

    Heard Tiarnan McCann had left too

    He's on the fence apparently.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
    Ruairi Canavan throwing up some tallies in college football. Good prospect?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on January 13, 2022, 11:39:00 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
    Ruairi Canavan throwing up some tallies in college football. Good prospect?

    he's been a prospect since the day he came outta the womb with this name
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PeterEli on January 15, 2022, 11:29:24 AM
    Team v Armagh
    1. Darragh McAnenly
    2. Sean Loughran
    3. Conor Quinn
    4. Liam Rafferty
    5. Rory Brennan
    6. Ryan McCusker
    7. Frank Burns
    8. Conn Kilpatrick
    9. Joe Oguz
    10. Nathan Donnelly
    11. Conor Meyler
    12. Peter Herron
    13. Lee Brennan
    14. Matthew Donnelly
    15. Liam Nugent

    Lorcan Quinn
    Conal Grimes
    Shea Hamill
    Richard Donnelly
    Tomas Carney
    Mark McKearney
    James Garrity
    Paul Donaghy
    Darren McCurry
    Peter Harte
    Kieran McGeary
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 15, 2022, 11:37:49 AM
    Good to see Donaghy on the bench, hopefully he can kick on this year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on January 15, 2022, 01:29:31 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on January 10, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2022, 07:31:10 PM
    You'd imagine a very second string will play this first game?
    Quote

    Has to be. A few senior players didn't attend the trip, McCurry, Pete Harte, Paul Donaghy jump to mind
    You'd imagine they will start along with the newcomers who played the charity game v Armagh.
    Paudie McNulty could be available too.

    Up to 11 subs allowed so I'd guess some more familiar faces will be introduced to the game as it goes on.

    Cormac Munroe did not attend either. Paul donaghy has left the squad.

    Someone would need to tell the management!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on January 15, 2022, 04:10:15 PM
    Donaghy and McKearney were very good when they came on I thought.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 15, 2022, 04:17:02 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 15, 2022, 04:10:15 PM
    Donaghy and McKearney were very good when they came on I thought.
    Yes and mccusker had a good game. Disappointed in oguz and conor quinn the last two games but I still wouldn't rule any man out of the squad based on 2 mckenna cup matches
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 15, 2022, 04:20:23 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on January 15, 2022, 04:17:02 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 15, 2022, 04:10:15 PM
    Donaghy and McKearney were very good when they came on I thought.
    Yes and mccusker had a good game. Disappointed in oguz and conor quinn the last two games but I still wouldn't rule any man out of the squad based on 2 mckenna cup matches

    Where did mckearney play?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 15, 2022, 05:00:35 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 15, 2022, 04:20:23 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on January 15, 2022, 04:17:02 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 15, 2022, 04:10:15 PM
    Donaghy and McKearney were very good when they came on I thought.
    Yes and mccusker had a good game. Disappointed in oguz and conor quinn the last two games but I still wouldn't rule any man out of the squad based on 2 mckenna cup matches

    Where did mckearney play?
    Half back. Hard to see him displacing the likes of mcgeary, harte, burns and meyler who play a similar role. Burns has been off the boil recently though
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PeterEli on January 16, 2022, 08:36:54 PM
    Players who we have seen involved in Tyrone squad during the two McKenna Cup games and the charity game in Armagh. Albeit some established players featured in Armagh and haven't played since. Also, Ronan, Hugh Pat and Michael the only confirmed departures. Open to correction and/or addition to any here.

    2021 squad members:
    Niall Morgan
    Darragh McAnenly
    Lorcan Quinn
    Conor Quinn
    Liam Rafferty
    Paudie Hampsey
    Shea Hamill
    Kieran McGeary
    Rory Brennan
    Peter Harte
    Frank Burns
    Conn Kilpatrick
    Richard Donnelly
    Cathal McShane
    Conor Meyler
    Lee Brennan
    Matthew Donnelly
    Darren McCurry
    Michael Conroy
    Niall Sludden
    Michael McKernan
    Paul Donaghy

    Not involved in 2021 but have featured so far:
    Sean Loughran
    Conal Grimes
    Ryan McCusker
    Joe Oguz
    Nathan Donnelly
    James Garrity
    Tomas Carney
    Peter Herron
    Liam Nugent
    Ryan Colman
    Conor Cush
    Niall Devlin
    Steve Donaghy
    Ciaran Bogue
    Ryan Jones
    Luke Donnelly
    Mark McKearney
    Mattie Murnaghan
    Rory Donnelly

    2021 Squad members yet to feature:
    Ronan McNamee
    Jonny Munroe
    Conor Shields
    Mark Bradley
    Darragh Canavan
    Conor McKenna
    Tiernan McCann
    Michael O'Neill
    Peter Teague
    Ben McDonnell
    Brian Kennedy
    Cormac Munroe
    Niall Kelly

    New players rumoured to be involved but yet to feature:
    Paudie McNulty
    Emmet McNabb
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeGoAgain on January 16, 2022, 09:58:59 PM
    Quote from: PeterEli on January 16, 2022, 08:36:54 PM
    Players who we have seen involved in Tyrone squad during the two McKenna Cup games and the charity game in Armagh. Albeit some established players featured in Armagh and haven't played since. Also, Ronan, Hugh Pat and Michael the only confirmed departures. Open to correction and/or addition to any here.

    2021 squad members:
    Niall Morgan
    Darragh McAnenly
    Lorcan Quinn
    Conor Quinn
    Liam Rafferty
    Paudie Hampsey
    Shea Hamill
    Kieran McGeary
    Rory Brennan
    Peter Harte
    Frank Burns
    Conn Kilpatrick
    Richard Donnelly
    Cathal McShane
    Conor Meyler
    Lee Brennan
    Matthew Donnelly
    Darren McCurry
    Michael Conroy
    Niall Sludden
    Michael McKernan
    Paul Donaghy

    Not involved in 2021 but have featured so far:
    Sean Loughran
    Conal Grimes
    Ryan McCusker
    Joe Oguz
    Nathan Donnelly
    James Garrity
    Tomas Carney
    Peter Herron
    Liam Nugent
    Ryan Colman
    Conor Cush
    Niall Devlin
    Steve Donaghy
    Ciaran Bogue
    Ryan Jones
    Luke Donnelly
    Mark McKearney
    Mattie Murnaghan
    Rory Donnelly

    2021 Squad members yet to feature:
    Ronan McNamee
    Jonny Munroe
    Conor Shields
    Mark Bradley
    Darragh Canavan
    Conor McKenna
    Tiernan McCann
    Michael O'Neill
    Peter Teague
    Ben McDonnell
    Brian Kennedy
    Cormac Munroe
    Niall Kelly

    New players rumoured to be involved but yet to feature:
    Paudie McNulty
    Emmet McNabb

    Mark Bradley has left the squad according to teamtalkmag
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JimStynes on January 16, 2022, 10:16:27 PM
    Conor McKenna comes across as the sort of boy who'd be liable to pack it in early.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on January 16, 2022, 10:25:59 PM
    Quote from: PeterEli on January 16, 2022, 08:36:54 PM
    Players who we have seen involved in Tyrone squad during the two McKenna Cup games and the charity game in Armagh. Albeit some established players featured in Armagh and haven't played since. Also, Ronan, Hugh Pat and Michael the only confirmed departures. Open to correction and/or addition to any here.

    2021 squad members:
    Niall Morgan
    Darragh McAnenly
    Lorcan Quinn
    Conor Quinn
    Liam Rafferty
    Paudie Hampsey
    Shea Hamill
    Kieran McGeary
    Rory Brennan
    Peter Harte
    Frank Burns
    Conn Kilpatrick
    Richard Donnelly
    Cathal McShane
    Conor Meyler
    Lee Brennan
    Matthew Donnelly
    Darren McCurry
    Michael Conroy
    Niall Sludden
    Michael McKernan
    Paul Donaghy

    Not involved in 2021 but have featured so far:
    Sean Loughran
    Conal Grimes
    Ryan McCusker
    Joe Oguz
    Nathan Donnelly
    James Garrity
    Tomas Carney
    Peter Herron
    Liam Nugent
    Ryan Colman
    Conor Cush
    Niall Devlin
    Steve Donaghy
    Ciaran Bogue
    Ryan Jones
    Luke Donnelly
    Mark McKearney
    Mattie Murnaghan
    Rory Donnelly

    2021 Squad members yet to feature:
    Ronan McNamee
    Jonny Munroe
    Conor Shields
    Mark Bradley
    Darragh Canavan
    Conor McKenna
    Tiernan McCann
    Michael O'Neill
    Peter Teague
    Ben McDonnell
    Brian Kennedy
    Cormac Munroe
    Niall Kelly

    New players rumoured to be involved but yet to feature:
    Paudie McNulty
    Emmet McNabb

    Pete Teague, Darragh canavan, Niall Kelly and emmet Mcnabb all injured I think. Team talk released a post stating that mark bradleys departed the squad
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 16, 2022, 10:28:41 PM
    Suprised about Bradley steping away, didn't see that one coming. Hopefully he'll be back in a Tyrone Jersey before long

    It struck me at the game yesterday, how many players were not present. I'd have expected them all to be in the dugout or the stand. Appreciate a couple are still travelling abroad, but the thought occurred to me, perhaps we would have a few more to walkway yet
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 16, 2022, 10:30:42 PM
    Darragh sure picks up alot of injuries doesn't he. Quite unfortunate
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on January 17, 2022, 08:08:57 AM
    Quote from: God14 on January 16, 2022, 10:30:42 PM
    Darragh sure picks up alot of injuries doesn't he. Quite unfortunate

    Yeah he's been plagued with injuries the whole way up through underage.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 17, 2022, 05:20:33 PM
    Shame about Bradley stepping away. Great player who suffered badly under previous set up. Donaghy or Lee brennan need to step up this year and offer alternatives. Not having Bradley as an option is a loss in the 2nd half of big games.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 17, 2022, 06:41:48 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 17, 2022, 05:20:33 PM
    Shame about Bradley stepping away. Great player who suffered badly under previous set up. Donaghy or Lee brennan need to step up this year and offer alternatives. Not having Bradley as an option is a loss in the 2nd half of big games.

    For sure - McShane surely start this year so someone will drop out which might lessen the blow but Bradley but a real opportunity for a few players to do a mccurry and show they are a top level forward. Canavan another hard player to leave out IF fit
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on January 21, 2022, 12:07:42 PM
    https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1484476536833155074?t=oB6ebChLmat_z1FHBuPvQA&s=19

    New Jersey appears to be identical to 2017 one with only real change being the orientation on the stripes on the sleeves. This can't be right surely.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 21, 2022, 01:02:42 PM
    Complete lack of imagination, if true
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 21, 2022, 01:22:29 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on January 21, 2022, 12:07:42 PM
    https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1484476536833155074?t=oB6ebChLmat_z1FHBuPvQA&s=19

    New Jersey appears to be identical to 2017 one with only real change being the orientation on the stripes on the sleeves. This can't be right surely.

    Looks like it. Threw out some old mcaleer and rushe tracksuits recently too. Great.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on January 21, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
    https://tyronegaa.ie/2022/01/gaa-champions-tyrone-welcome-mcaleer-rushe-back-on-board-as-main-sponsors/?fbclid=IwAR2wZI6yhy_Sl7bH_HcRuvGjJrqX8ms3MUC2y9YrhMn0TzysAOx1rEBPf_g (https://tyronegaa.ie/2022/01/gaa-champions-tyrone-welcome-mcaleer-rushe-back-on-board-as-main-sponsors/?fbclid=IwAR2wZI6yhy_Sl7bH_HcRuvGjJrqX8ms3MUC2y9YrhMn0TzysAOx1rEBPf_g)

    Yes, that's the jersey design.

    They could have put in more effort.I wonder is there a lot of cost involved in doing a new design? I wouldn't expect so and surely a new design would boost jersey sales. I wish they would bring back the hoops a la '03. I'd be more inclined to get a retro 2003 jersey, haven't liked or bought any of the jerseys since target express.

    At least the logo is fine. I wasn't a fan of the Tyrone fabrications logo, though it was better than Hunky Dorys...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on January 21, 2022, 04:21:10 PM
    Bought 4 Jerseys at christmas for my kids and nephew feck that old hat now!!!!!!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on January 21, 2022, 04:41:38 PM
    Quote from: bigtogs on January 21, 2022, 04:21:10 PM
    Bought 4 Jerseys at christmas for my kids and nephew feck that old hat now!!!!!!!

    It's really a big miss on their part for not launching new jerseys before Christmas.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on January 21, 2022, 04:43:28 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 21, 2022, 04:41:38 PM
    Quote from: bigtogs on January 21, 2022, 04:21:10 PM
    Bought 4 Jerseys at christmas for my kids and nephew feck that old hat now!!!!!!!

    It's really a big miss on their part for not launching new jerseys before Christmas.

    Maybe timed to perfection in their own estimations...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the goal was on on January 21, 2022, 04:50:15 PM
    poor form doing this now for families
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on January 21, 2022, 05:27:58 PM
    disgrace tbh..most counties launched their new jerseys pre-xmas.. a lot of folk plugged out money on the old jersey with the all Ireland winners logo on it... and I think the new one is awful tbh..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: on the sideline on January 21, 2022, 06:13:20 PM
    The new jersey is wile looking too. Only bought the last one there for the whole family before the semi-final.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GKunion on January 21, 2022, 08:18:31 PM
    Understand people buy the jerseys in support of the county team. However no one is forcing anyone to buy these jerseys and I don't think the players would be too worried what jersey you wear going out to support them. Also think a good retro shirt going to games speaks more than wearing a brand  new one
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on January 21, 2022, 08:56:22 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 21, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
    https://tyronegaa.ie/2022/01/gaa-champions-tyrone-welcome-mcaleer-rushe-back-on-board-as-main-sponsors/?fbclid=IwAR2wZI6yhy_Sl7bH_HcRuvGjJrqX8ms3MUC2y9YrhMn0TzysAOx1rEBPf_g (https://tyronegaa.ie/2022/01/gaa-champions-tyrone-welcome-mcaleer-rushe-back-on-board-as-main-sponsors/?fbclid=IwAR2wZI6yhy_Sl7bH_HcRuvGjJrqX8ms3MUC2y9YrhMn0TzysAOx1rEBPf_g)

    Yes, that's the jersey design.

    They could have put in more effort.I wonder is there a lot of cost involved in doing a new design? I wouldn't expect so and surely a new design would boost jersey sales. I wish they would bring back the hoops a la '03. I'd be more inclined to get a retro 2003 jersey, haven't liked or bought any of the jerseys since target express.

    At least the logo is fine. I wasn't a fan of the Tyrone fabrications logo, though it was better than Hunky Dorys...


    The cost of the design surely be labour and hourly rate of the artworkers plus material and sewers (which by my guess would be €10-15 if that, on the shelf), but imo to cough this up again so soon is v hard to justify, is reeks of laziness and has a hint of f**k them (us the consumers) they'll buy what we cough up, hope ONeills get hit in the sales for this bullshit, which they would deserve
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on January 21, 2022, 09:27:21 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 21, 2022, 08:56:22 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 21, 2022, 02:56:55 PM
    https://tyronegaa.ie/2022/01/gaa-champions-tyrone-welcome-mcaleer-rushe-back-on-board-as-main-sponsors/?fbclid=IwAR2wZI6yhy_Sl7bH_HcRuvGjJrqX8ms3MUC2y9YrhMn0TzysAOx1rEBPf_g (https://tyronegaa.ie/2022/01/gaa-champions-tyrone-welcome-mcaleer-rushe-back-on-board-as-main-sponsors/?fbclid=IwAR2wZI6yhy_Sl7bH_HcRuvGjJrqX8ms3MUC2y9YrhMn0TzysAOx1rEBPf_g)

    Yes, that's the jersey design.

    They could have put in more effort.I wonder is there a lot of cost involved in doing a new design? I wouldn't expect so and surely a new design would boost jersey sales. I wish they would bring back the hoops a la '03. I'd be more inclined to get a retro 2003 jersey, haven't liked or bought any of the jerseys since target express.

    At least the logo is fine. I wasn't a fan of the Tyrone fabrications logo, though it was better than Hunky Dorys...


    The cost of the design surely be labour and hourly rate of the artworkers plus material and sewers (which by my guess would be €10-15 if that, on the shelf), but imo to cough this up again so soon is v hard to justify, is reeks of laziness and has a hint of f**k them (us the consumers) they'll buy what we cough up, hope ONeills get hit in the sales for this bullshit, which they would deserve

    To be fair O'Neill's work to the county's brief. O'Neill's have any number of different designs that clubs and counties can go for. Think you just find that counties tend to be fairly conservative.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on January 21, 2022, 11:59:42 PM
    I would assume McAleer & Rushe wanted to keep it consistent with the jersies of the other teams they are sponsoring and are thinking of the fans rather than the profits.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on January 23, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
    Very good & honest interview in the Irish News by Ronnie O'Neill. Part 2 is in Monday's paper.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 23, 2022, 08:43:28 AM
    Quote from: bigtogs on January 21, 2022, 04:21:10 PM
    Bought 4 Jerseys at christmas for my kids and nephew feck that old hat now!!!!!!!

    There was always going to be a new jersey with the 4 stars on it. Should have held off.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 23, 2022, 08:58:01 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on January 23, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
    Very good & honest interview in the Irish News by Ronnie O'Neill. Part 2 is in Monday's paper.

    Brilliant interview
    It's easy to critique players in the stands or even on here, but we are all too forgetful of the sacrifices these lads make, and the turmoil they themselves go through when things don't go to plan
    The story about his brothers wedding, and not making the 26.... Whao.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on January 23, 2022, 11:01:32 AM
    For those who haven't seen it...


    FOR the best part of a decade Ronan O'Neill loved playing for Tyrone. For him, it was the ultimate privilege.

    Some years it was pure magic – the chipped goals, ridiculous points, the 'Dab' celebrations, podium appearances and the chaos and imagination he brought to a football field.

    Other years, playing for Tyrone tortured his soul.

    Last season, which turned out to be his last, was one of those years. During Tyrone's incredible run to the 2021 All-Ireland title, O'Neill didn't know from one game to the next whether he would be involved.

    He was part of the victorious Ulster final squad that overcame Monaghan, coming on as a 66th minute substitute, and was named in the Tyrone squad for the All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry a month later.

    Would the St Enda's Omagh clubman make Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher's 26-man All-Ireland final squad?

    The form line and the steady selection policy suggested yes, but if he'd learned anything in his 10 years with Tyrone, absolutely nothing was guaranteed.

    "We'd normally train Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, but after the Kerry game we went Monday, Wednesday, Friday and my brother's wedding was on the Friday in Carlingford and I was best man," O'Neill explains.

    "Management said: 'Go to the wedding'.

    "And I said: 'Well, I'm not going if it's going to impact on me getting into the squad because it's the All-Ireland final. I'm not doing anything to jeopardise my place in the squad because I was in the squad for the Kerry game.

    "But Feargal said: 'It'll not jeopardise it at all.'"

    Management were giving no guarantees – just an assurance that attending his brother's wedding eight days out from the final wasn't going to have any tangible impact one way or the other.

    O'Neill mulled it over, chatted to his brother and after some torturous deliberation he felt he couldn't afford to miss Friday night's training session.

    He went to his brother's wedding, gave his best man speech, left the hotel at 6pm, raced up the road and arrived at Garvaghey at 7.25pm still in his tuxedo. The best dressed man ever to attend a Tyrone training session.

    "When I arrived the team were doing video work, I got changed, trained, back in the tuxedo, back down to the wedding and stayed. I obviously didn't drink, it didn't enter my head.

    "We were training on Sunday morning at nine o'clock, up the road again, trained, did well. It was match scenarios – four 10-minute games. Not that I thought that that would swing it in my favour but I was doing well to merit staying in the squad."

    A teacher at St Joseph's College, Coalisland, the kids were the perfect distraction for O'Neill in the week leading up to the All-Ireland final against Mayo.

    Sitting on 99 appearances for his county, the All-Ireland final would bring it up to a cool century.

    "I knew after the Ulster final against Monaghan that I was on 99 games and I would target the All-Ireland semi-final or final. Id get to 100 and that would be it.

    "I'd mentioned to a couple of close friends – Tiernan McCann, Conor Meyler, and a few other boys - at the start of the year it would be my last year and that I would give my all.

    "I got myself into ridiculous shape. I worked with Meyler over lockdown, I went to the well. I was in a really good place when Tyrone started up again."

    After Tyrone's All-Ireland breakthrough win over Kerry at the end of August, the drum roll had well and truly begun around the O'Neill County, with the schools being the excitable hub.

    Some pupils would whisper and point in the corridors: 'Mr O'Neill is playing for Tyrone in the All-Ireland final."

    ****************

    THURSDAY night before the final. The moment of truth. Ronan O'Neill is called to speak to management.

    He can't believe what he's hearing. He hasn't made the squad.

    "I knew it was coming once I was called over," he says.

    "They pulled me aside and I said: 'This cannot be happening.' I kept saying: 'I'm always the fall guy'. As soon as they talked I just zoned out.

    "This was potentially my last game and I was not even in the squad. I remember trying not to be an energy-sapper. It was hard. I put my hoodie up and they were talking to the team. The boys could see I was annoyed. A number of boys came over to me and were saying: 'Keep the head up. We need you to help the team on the day.' And I was thinking: 'How am I not going to play this last game for Tyrone?'

    "I got into the car and burst out crying. I was in a bad way. I got home and went straight to my bed. Next day the school was giving me a send-off and I didn't want to be there.

    "As soon as I left school, I said: 'Right, I need to get my head around this. We've a final to play, I'm one of the more experienced members of the team and I need to be positive because if I don't it's going to seep into the rest of the group.'

    "In the changing room before the game it was hard and I was thinking: 'I'd just love to be one of those boys togging out. I imagined all week that I would come on and kick a point, do something in the game, and that was taken away. It was really hard to deal with, but I just had to give whatever I had to other boys... Thankfully we got over the line on the day."

    ****************

    UPON Logan and Dooher taking the reins in 2021, opportunities in the Tyrone team had opened up significantly.

    A few more out-and-out forward berths had been created in the starting line-up – good news for O'Neill – plus Gaelic football appeared to be coming back into the light from the defensive darkness of the previous decade.

    The 29-year-old attacker didn't feature in Division One North wins over Donegal and Armagh or in the drawn game against Monaghan.

    With things going from bad to worse down in Killarney, however, O'Neill was thrust into the action for the start of the second half in place of Paul Donaghy against a rampant Kerry.

    He nabbed a point but was helpless to stop the Kingdom putting six goals past the Ulstermen.

    Tyrone were forced to re-appraise everything, and that entailed personnel changes. Darragh Canavan also suffered injury in Killarney which opened up a space in the attack.

    The squad was laced with attacking quality. Darren McCurry was moving well, Niall Sludden too, Conor McKenna seemed a shoo-in most days, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Bradley, Paul Donaghy's star burned brightly at the beginning of the NFL campaign and Cathal McShane was inching back to full fitness.

    O'Neill, though, was firmly in Logan and Dooher's eye-line.

    But come Tyrone's first Ulster Championship outing of the summer against a Cavan team at a low ebb, O'Neill didn't make the cut.

    "Now, it was cut throat all year," O'Neill says. "It kept people on their toes. I just felt I should have got a chance. You can ask any of the boys. During that period of eight weeks after the Kerry hammering I was going extremely well.

    "I felt after the Kerry defeat the script would be ripped up and I'd get a chance on my home ground against Cavan. You get in the team and stay there, but it didn't happen. I was scratching my head when I didn't even make the squad.

    "I remember thinking then I didn't want to go back. It was a couple of weeks to a semi-final and a possible Ulster final; anything could happen. I just wanted to play football. I was in the shape of my life and I was playing well, I wanted people to see this..."

    Against his own instincts he went to training on the Tuesday after the Cavan win. He spoke to no-one, played centre half-forward in an in-house game and kicked four points.

    'Right," he thought. 'They have to put in the squad for the next match.'

    Days before the eagerly awaited semi-final with Donegal, numbers 16 to 26 were called out.

    Still no O'Neill.

    "What is going on here? Boys were coming up to me and asking: 'Why are you not playing?'

    "I'd have a deadly relationship with most of the forwards because you know what type of balls to kick in. I played well alongside 'Sparky' [Mark Bradley] and Darren McCurry all year, and the other forwards too. I remember McCurry saying in training: 'That man has to play.'

    "If he's saying it and the backroom team is saying I'm close, I was going home so confused. I wasn't nice to be around all year. But how can I question Feargal and Brian – they won the All-Ireland at the end of the day."

    All-Ireland heartache awaited Richie Donnelly too. Playing the shirt off his back against Cavan, O'Neill's 2010 All-Ireland minor team-mate suffered an injury, had to withdraw and never got back in the squad for the rest of the campaign.

    Rory Brennan was another. Picked up a black card against Donegal and couldn't muscle his way back into the reckoning.

    Ronan O'Neill turns on the style for Omagh in the Ulster Club Championship Picture: Margaret McLaughlin 

    AFTER Tyrone seized their fourth All-Ireland title on September 11 O'Neill masked his disappointment by enjoying every last drop of the celebrations that last three or four days.

    But 2021 has had scarring effect – to the point where O'Neill sought professional help from a sports psychologist in a bid to make sense of a torturous year.

    "That's why I couldn't go for another year. I couldn't go through that again, mentally," he says.

    "I had to go and see somebody. I went to a sports psychologist. I needed somebody to talk to about it, somebody to bounce off. I was in a bad way.

    "I couldn't go back another year, play in the McKenna Cup, play the first few rounds of the League, Tyrone lose, you have an okay game, but I'm getting sacked because x, y and z are coming back from rehab and they're coming straight in again and then you're wondering why you're not playing.

    "Then you're complaining to your girlfriend, your mummy and daddy. It's just a constant cycle. I don't want to do that. The best football I played was after lockdown, I played eight games and I ended up top scorer in Tyrone all year because I was playing with complete freedom. I was happy. There's nothing worse when you're not playing football."

    A couple of weeks after Tyrone's All-Ireland victory, O'Neill is lining out for Omagh down in Derrylaughan: "They're playing 15 men behind the ball, rain pissing down...I just didn't want to be there."

    ***************

    SITTING in a café on the outskirts of Dungannon on a dank Wednesday at tea-time, you sense the emotion in O'Neill's voice as he tells how his Tyrone career ended at just 29.

    There's not a trace of resentment towards Logan or Dooher. They did what they had to do. They won the All-Ireland. They delivered on Tyrone's rich promise.

    O'Neill totally gets that. He also knows that other team-mates suffered a similar fate.

    Since he was a teenager, Ronan O'Neill was destined for great things.

    He starred in Tyrone's 2010 All-Ireland minor winning team and was truly humbled and forever indebted to Mickey Harte for calling him into the senior squad in 2012.

    In March of that year, he suffered a cruciate injury while training with the U21s and it probably took him longer than expected to get back to his flamboyant best.

    When O'Neill hit the high notes there was none better. He was simply awesome.

    Club and county honours followed in a roller-coaster career that experienced as many highs as it did lows.

    Defensive formations undoubtedly hurt the trajectory of his career. In another era his narrative may have been different.

    Logan and Dooher wanted him to stay on for the 2022 season, but after some soul-searching O'Neill thanked both men and politely declined.

    On New Year's Eve, while on the team holiday in Orlando, O'Neill confirmed the news on his Twitter account.

    "Tough to go. Was worth it all. Been a pleasure. Thanks to all who helped me achieve my dream, especially my family and Justina. Onto the next chapter."

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on January 23, 2022, 11:13:26 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on January 23, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
    Very good & honest interview in the Irish News by Ronnie O'Neill. Part 2 is in Monday's paper.

    I remember thinking he looked the real deal when I saw him play for the Tyrone minors.There were times where he had really good games, but often he just didn't make an impact which seemed to be the case more and more the last few years. I think he missed a bit more speed or strength to be able to really push on and establish himself.

    Maybe he deserved to be stuck with when the ground was drier, there certainly seemed to be a core group of players Harte would always stick with, but then the likes of McAliskey, O'Neill, Brennan, McCurry etc were dropped if they didn't make an impact. Obviously you want that competition there, but Logan and Dooher showed how sticking with and having confidence in someone like McCurry can reap rewards. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on January 23, 2022, 11:16:10 AM
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/60102870 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/60102870)

    That's McCann gone now too. Thought he had a real renaissance last year, after a few patchy years, and had a big impact. He'll be a big miss. I wonder would Cassidy have withdrew if McCann had already announced?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 23, 2022, 11:59:57 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 23, 2022, 11:16:10 AM
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/60102870 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/60102870)

    That's McCann gone now too. Thought he had a real renaissance last year, after a few patchy years, and had a big impact. He'll be a big miss. I wonder would Cassidy have withdrew if McCann had already announced?

    He will be a loss for sure. I am a but concerned at the amount of people stepping away from the setup. A few injuries this year and tyrone could find themselves very light on high quality options coming off the bench.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on January 23, 2022, 12:20:16 PM
    O'Neill and mccann have been great servants to Tyrone football- O'Neill one of the best club players I've seen in Tyrone also.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on January 23, 2022, 12:52:48 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 23, 2022, 11:59:57 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 23, 2022, 11:16:10 AM
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/60102870 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/60102870)

    That's McCann gone now too. Thought he had a real renaissance last year, after a few patchy years, and had a big impact. He'll be a big miss. I wonder would Cassidy have withdrew if McCann had already announced?

    He will be a loss for sure. I am a but concerned at the amount of people stepping away from the setup. A few injuries this year and tyrone could find themselves very light on high quality options coming off the bench.

    I'd be concerned too, especially the ability to change the game from the bench. McCann, Cassidy and Bradley is a lot of pace gone and O'Neill could pick a pass.

    That said, a bit of fresh blood and hunger could help keep things fresh. It might push some other young players on, now they see an opening. The main core of the panel hasn't changed much the last few years so it could be a blessing in disguise.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on January 24, 2022, 01:45:54 AM
    That Ronan O Neill article gives you an insight to the commitment panel players give to the cause.

    That's alot of class and experience that will be badly missed at training and in house games.

    With the travel restrictions last year in the US a lot of American clubs have been saving up for this year and one club I know has 300k in their account.

    I could see alot of quality players going state side this Summer.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: APM on January 24, 2022, 09:33:09 AM
    That Ronan O'Neill article was a tough read.  It would have been a tougher read for his family.

    Keeping a big positive head on you, when you have been devastated by the selectors - that's tough.  The right response is to train hard and come back stronger next year. That can't be easy when you have been left on the fringes by successive management teams, but kept around the panel at the same time.  Useful for in-house matches? It would take a very strong personality not to finish up resentful. 


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on January 24, 2022, 10:19:35 AM
    just read part 2 there in the paper. Very good interview in full.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on January 24, 2022, 11:17:09 AM
    Can anyone put in part 2 of the O'Neill interview
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 5times5times on January 24, 2022, 11:22:47 AM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on January 24, 2022, 11:17:09 AM
    Can anyone put in part 2 of the O'Neill interview

    Or go out and buy the paper you stingey......
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on January 24, 2022, 12:18:10 PM
    It was rumored that tyrones provisional McKenna cup panel had a total of 45 players (not sure if this includes the 5 that have stepped aside) but if it did that would mean the current panel may not be cut much or at all? How many would be usually on the final panel? 35 36?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on January 24, 2022, 12:30:42 PM
    IT was a decidedly balmy evening in Orlando on New Year's Eve. The Tyrone players, management and their partners gathered around the hotel pool for dinner.

    Ronan O'Neill hadn't the slightest inkling Mattie Donnelly would rise to his feet and ask for a bit of hush. It seemed fitting that Donnelly, on behalf of the squad, would officially pay tribute to O'Neill and Hugh Pat McGeary, both of whom were retiring from inter-county football.

    "I made my decision before I went on holiday," O'Neill says.

    Part One: 'I just couldn't go through another year with Tyrone' - Ronan O'Neill

    "In fairness, Feargal and Brian gave me more time to think about it. The boys were back two or three weeks and I just felt I wasn't in the right mind-set to go back.

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    "They checked in with me every so often... Feargal had said reporters were asking about me and a few others. I'm going to be 30 this year and I would doubt I would be taking a year out as a 30-year-old, so I said put it down as retirement."

    Before they left Dublin Airport Richie Donnelly, one of O'Neill's All-Ireland minor winning team-mates and close friends, smiled and said to him: "I'm going to twist your arm to come back."

    Donnelly's attempts were in vain.

    Sitting in a coffee shop in Dungannon last Wednesday, O'Neill says: "I saw the holiday as a final opportunity to say goodbye to the boys and to enjoy it.

    "When Mattie got up to speak it was emotional. I wanted to say a lot of things but I couldn't say too much. It was 10 years of my life, a third of my life I've been there...

    Hugh Pat also got up and said a few words.

    O'Neill adds: "People might read this and say: 'Sure it's only another retirement.' But I'm not going to play with these boys again... but deep down I'm content with my decision..."

    ***********

    SATURDAY, August 6 2016, Tyrone versus Mayo in Croke Park. It's anybody's game.

    Ronan O'Neill is standing on the edge of Mayo's square with Brendan Harrison for company, staring into the abyss.

    At one point O'Neill reckons there were 70 or 80 metres between him and his nearest Tyrone team-mate.

    In the opening seconds of the All-Ireland quarter-final, he spins away from Harrison in front of Hill 16 and puts a low ball across the face of Mayo's goal but the danger is cleared.

    In the opening half he gets two sights of Mayo's goalposts but misses. He is lively nonetheless and gets out in front of Harrison a couple of times but has to turn back.

    Just before the break Harrison steals the ball off him – the kind of eye-catching dispossession that sends the Mayo supporters into raptures in the nearby Cusack stand.

    Advantage Harrison.

    Tyrone continue to run the ball from deep. Surrounded by green jerseys, O'Neill is disconnected from the play.

    In the 42nd minute, he's replaced by Darren McCurry in a like for like change.

    Tyrone had 31 shots, many of them wild hacks from bad positions, and converted 12. They lose by a point.

    The main criticism of Tyrone during those years was not positioning more forwards close enough to the opponents' goal and their steadfast refusal to kick the ball in.

    Against Mayo, O'Neill was occasionally joined by Connor McAliskey and Peter Harte drifted inside a couple of times, but the support was scant.

    "When you're in that tactical bubble you think you can win," O'Neill says.

    "Mayo were on the ropes and only beat us by a point. Looking back now and you're playing one up front, it's probably ridiculous to be fair. The way Tyrone played last season you need three, maybe four forwards up there."

    Mickey Harte, rightly or wrongly, seemed to lose a bit of faith in the flamboyant Omagh man after their All-Ireland quarter-final exit to Mayo in 2016.

    Of course, these were austere times. Gaelic football in the last decade was dour and defensive, much of it unwatchable.

    Amid the mass retreats that were taking place, corner-forwards were becoming an endangered species.

    These brooding fields were no place for artisans like Ronan O'Neill.

    Players like him used to be lauded for their game-winning skills set and panache but they were now being viewed through a more sceptical prism.

    On many days in O'Neill's era, forward players were completely swallowed up by uber-defensive, Darwinian systems.

    Jim McGuinness's Donegal invented a darker form of Gaelic football; Tyrone reacted – in fact, the entire country reacted – with the Red Hands finally breaking the Tír Chonaill men's provincial domination in 2016.

    "I've massive respect for Mickey Harte," says O'Neill, who won three Anglo-Celt Cups.

    "He brought me in at 19 years of age, gave me the opportunity to play for Tyrone. Any time I went to Mickey to ask him what I needed to do to get into the team, he would explain to me: 'You are close' or 'You need to do x, y and z...'

    "He was fine with me. Mickey had a style and I simply didn't fit into it. There were maybe two forward berths and six of us trying to get into them. You had 'Sparky' [Mark Bradley], McCurry, 'Skeet' [Connor McAliskey], big Sean [Cavanagh] was there, Cathal [McShane] was coming on the scene, Petey Harte was knocking about the forward line, Mattie [Donnelly] too, so there were a number of options there.

    "I think we could've been more flexible.

    "I never would say to a manager: 'Why am I not playing?' I'd ask: 'What do I need to do to get playing?'

    "I went to Brian Dooher last season and said: 'I'd like to play 11.' And Brian said: 'You need to work hard and tackle hard in the middle third.' And I said: 'That's okay. I'll do that.'

    Ballymaguigan man Paddy Crozier, who enjoyed two successful stints with St Enda's Omagh in the last decade, baulks at the notion that O'Neill wasn't equipped to play in the modern game.

    "The game didn't become too quick for him – it became too defensive," Crozier says.

    "Peter Canavan wouldn't have starred in that kind of football. That's what happened to corner-forwards like Ronan O'Neill."

    Raymond Munroe, Tyrone's All-Ireland winning manager in 2010, makes an exaggerated point – but a valid one nonetheless.

    "Linford Christie is some sprinter – but he wouldn't make a Gaelic footballer. It turns out Linford Christie could've been a good Gaelic footballer," Munroe says.

    Tyrone's minor class of 2010 were a slow-burner of a team – good without being exceptional.

    They didn't have the marquee names like '08 but once they knocked Antrim out of Ulster at Casement Park, Munroe's youngsters took flight.

    "We had big Harry Og [Conlon] and Conan Grugan playing great football in the middle of the pitch," O'Neill says.

    "Tommy Canavan at centre half-forward who was a dream for an inside player because all he wanted to do was kick the ball to you.

    "I was playing inside with John McCullagh, we played schools football together. We'd Conor Clarke at full-back, Hugh Pat [McGeary] in the corner, Shea McGarrity was the captain, Niall Sludden, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly... it all just clicked."



    Ronan O'Neill - a born entertainer
    They edged Down in the semi-finals and swept to a comfortable victory over defending Ulster and All-Ireland champions Armagh in the final.

    Mayo and Kerry were next to fall on the All-Ireland stage as the young Red Hands set up a final meeting with All-Ireland Cork.

    Munroe recalls: "With Cork playing in the senior final and their fans coming in and maybe making a difference, we said our score-line towards the end would have to be far enough ahead of Cork to stop the spectators bringing them back into the game.

    "And they very nearly did because we were under severe pressure. Ronan would have been a marked individual because he was very talented.

    "Coming through the ranks, he was the nearest thing to Peter Canavan. He was just doing things that were extra-special.

    "We talked about the final and we knew Cork were going to double up on him so we asked him to work harder than he ever did before because we wanted Cork to believe that he was our outlet. He never stopped running to the corner in that game. Our outlet was going to be John McCullagh. They were our two-man full-forward line...

    "Ronan played it to a tee that day because the Cork sweeper kept going to him. Ronan was prepared to sacrifice his own game for the team - and that in itself tells a lot about someone's character."

    ***********

    IT was his father who put it into his head.

    'Why don't you go to a session and play with your left foot only? You know you can play with your right foot, so play with your left...'

    He remembers the first few sessions playing solely with his weaker left foot.

    "I was absolute muck."

    But he persisted. He reckons it took him two full years to perfect his left foot.

    It just wasn't those left foot-only training sessions that moulded him into one of the brightest prospects in Tyrone - it was these endless summer days up in Downings playing football with his brothers, "kicking lumps out of each other" and them having to be dragged into the caravan after dark.

    At the St Paul's and Kickham's Creggan minor and U21 tournaments, O'Neill had bigger audiences to display his freakish talent.

    In those years, the Omagh teenager was virtually unstoppable.

    In 2012, Mickey Harte called him into the senior squad.

    Wearing a rueful smile, O'Neill says: "I felt I was on a massive rising curve...but injuries are part of football."

    A Monday night training session in Cookstown and the Tyrone U21 squad are preparing for their Championship meeting with Donegal.

    They were in the early throes of a 10-minute game. Shay McGuigan kicks a high ball into him. He gets the slightest nudge in the back.

    "I went high up in the air, landed on one leg and heard a crack. I remember Richie Donnelly wincing. I was down roaring and crying. I knew something was wrong..."

    It depends on who you talk to in Tyrone but some say O'Neill never got back to where he was after suffering the cruciate injury. The player himself would beg to differ but shrugs his shoulders.

    "I can't change people's opinions of me. All I can do is be myself. If people have that opinion of me, that's okay. I tried my best."

    In 2014, he inspired Omagh to their first senior championship in 26 years – producing a moment of magic in the final minutes to grab a goal to sink Carrickmore by a point.

    He was shooting the lights out for Tyrone throughout 2016, he won another club championship the following year and hit two brilliant goals to sink Down in the 2017 Ulster final.

    But there were other dog day afternoons playing for Tyrone.

    He suffered the ignominy of being withdrawn in the 62nd minute after being introduced as a first-half substitute in Tyrone's 2018 Ulster Championship defeat to Monaghan at Healy Park.

    He took his gloves off and threw them to the ground in disgust.

    In their successful All-Ireland Qualifier run that same summer, he couldn't believe how many substitutions were made before him especially when Tyrone were in dire need of an attacking spark to reel Meath in down in Navan.

    "We'd no 'Sparky', Lee Brennan was gone, we'd no forwards. We needed scores and I was on the bench."

    O'Neill eventually entered the fray and set up the winning goal for Harry Loughran in extra-time.

    By the time of his introduction in the 2018 All-Ireland final, Dublin were already home and hosed and cruising to four-in-a-row.

    ************

    HE stepped away from the Tyrone panel in 2019 but had every intention of going back to give it one last crack.

    Then the global pandemic struck with almighty force. You blinked and Tyrone's 2020 season was over and Mickey Harte was gone a few months later.

    O'Neill had targeted 2021 as his last hurrah. He would leave no stone unturned in his insatiable pursuit of a regular place on the Tyrone team.

    "I trained with Conor Meyler during lockdown because Conor does everything to the letter of the law."

    For five months the pair trained like dogs in the dark and in all sorts of weather around Healy Park.

    "I was going to be doing the training anyway," Meyler says.

    "I need to do that to get the best out of myself. I have to be in better shape than everybody else, whereas Ronan had the footballing talent. He would see a pass or a goal-scoring opportunity that others wouldn't comprehend. That was always his greatest asset, to spot those things.

    "I'll never be at that level and most boys won't. That was his special trait – but he also knew he had to get fitter and faster and credit to him, he put the head down and did the work.

    "It's funny because I would always have looked up to Ronan at the club and when he wanted to get in shape he came to me."

    Meyler adds: "The thing about Ronan was he never shied away from responsibility. He always stepped up and wanted to make a difference in big games. If there was a big moment coming up and you needed a score it was a case of get the ball to Ronan because he could make something happen."

    Who will forget the day Cathal McCarron sent in a 'Hail Mary' on top of Carrickmore's Mickey Slane and O'Neill in the closing stages of the 2014 county final and O'Neill winning it before rounding Big 'Oz' McCallan and hammering the ball into the net to win the cup for Omagh for the first time in 26 years.

    There were those endless days in Downings playing until dusk, his mother urging him: 'Don't pass the ball Ronan – put it over the bar'.

    Growing up, he was St Enda's dream giver. Pure joy on a field. Absolutely everything about him was audacious.

    'Just go out and play, Ronan.'

    And he'd eye-ball the hard yards put in front of him.

    Raymond Munroe will always remember his selfless running in the 2010 All-Ireland minor final that tripped up Cork.

    For the Red Hands, a thousand times over.

    "Ronan O'Neill was a team player," Paddy Crozier says. "Was there any particular skill he was good at? There was no skill he wasn't good at."

    The pride he felt at being called up to the Tyrone seniors in 2012. And the agony of the cruciate.

    Battling his way back. In the team - and out again. Snakes and ladders.

    For him, the bench was death by a thousand cuts.

    That dummy hop in Celtic Park. Lobbing Down's Mickey Cunningham in sunny Clones and feeling the weight of the Anglo-Celt above his head.

    "The best thing about playing football and winning is the 30 minutes after the final whistle," he says.

    "You'd love to bottle that feeling. If you offered me a million pound, I wouldn't sell it."

    Throwing the gloves off in disgust in 2018, feeling like the fall guy. Leaving Tyrone and coming back.

    Running in the snow with Meyler and turning up to training in his Tuxedo. Pushing. Always pushing.

    The feeling of devastation of missing out on the All-Ireland final squad. And still being able to tip his hat to "Feargal and Brian".

    Holding back the tears in Orlando when Mattie Donnelly got up to speak.

    Ten years gone in a blink of an eye. 

    No more bus trips, no more going to the well with the Tyrone boys, no more post-match DJ-ing and no more dance-offs with McCurry.

    This is what it was like living in the Tyrone bubble.

    Now it's all over, the Tyrone camp is a little quieter without him.

    But Tyrone people will never forget Ronan O'Neill and the moments of sheer joy he was only too happy to share.

    He was their born entertainer...
    Quote from: 5times5times on January 24, 2022, 11:22:47 AM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on January 24, 2022, 11:17:09 AM
    Can anyone put in part 2 of the O'Neill interview

    Or go out and buy the paper you stingey......
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on January 24, 2022, 04:59:13 PM
    New county jesey design is 3 logos short of a Lewis Hamilton/Colin McRae special; when did we become the stars and stripes? 3 sideways stripes on the arm (and shorts), 4 stripes up the front, logo on the back, fek me its a headache looking at it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 24, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
    Very poor jersey.  Wonder if the red is any better? What's the view on the season ticket? Don't think 150 is great value really.  If you went to every league game at 15 pop a head and then the first championship game, sure you still wouldn't make 150. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 25, 2022, 07:20:16 AM
    whoever is responsible for the design of the jersey has had an absolute shocker
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on January 25, 2022, 10:15:26 AM
    the jersey wasn't launched by ONeill which is strange.. ll other counties were launched by oneills..
    I heard McA & R dictated the launch and wanted jersey as close as post the last one which it is really..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on January 25, 2022, 08:49:03 PM
    Quote from: Onthe40 on January 25, 2022, 10:15:26 AM
    the jersey wasn't launched by ONeill which is strange.. ll other counties were launched by oneills..
    I heard McA & R dictated the launch and wanted jersey as close as post the last one which it is really..

    It certainly won't help O'Neill's as sales will be lower. I'm sure they would have liked a new design.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone95 on January 29, 2022, 11:10:24 AM
    Don't see any team news regarding the team tomorrow but is there any word if the panel has been cut after the McKenna cup or are they carrying a full fleet of players for the NL and cut before Championship
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2022, 01:44:52 PM
    It's a pity they don't release the team in advance. Even if they made a change or two on the day at least it would give a topic of conversation pre game. I'd be going with something like the following but it's hard to know who is available:

    Morgan
    Hampsey
    McNamee
    McKernan
    Brennan/Rafferty
    McGeary
    Harte
    R Donnelly
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    M Donnelly
    Sludden
    McCurry
    McShane
    Donaghy
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on January 29, 2022, 02:31:27 PM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2022, 01:44:52 PM
    It's a pity they don't release the team in advance. Even if they made a change or two on the day at least it would give a topic of conversation pre game. I'd be going with something like the following but it's hard to know who is available:

    Morgan
    Hampsey
    McNamee
    McKernan
    Brennan/Rafferty
    McGeary
    Harte
    R Donnelly
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    M Donnelly
    Sludden
    McCurry
    McShane
    Donaghy
    Hard to know who is available with Sigerson and injuries but my selection:
    Morgan
    Hampsey McNammee J Munroe
    Brennan McGeary Harte
    Padraig McNulty Kilpatrick
    Meyler Sludden McKenna
    McCurry McShane Mattie Donnelly

    With Cassidy and McCann leaving the panel it creates an opportunity for Johnny Munroe. It would be good to see him get an injury free run at it to see where he could end up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The_Slug on January 29, 2022, 04:53:26 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on January 29, 2022, 02:31:27 PM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2022, 01:44:52 PM
    It's a pity they don't release the team in advance. Even if they made a change or two on the day at least it would give a topic of conversation pre game. I'd be going with something like the following but it's hard to know who is available:

    Morgan
    Hampsey
    McNamee
    McKernan
    Brennan/Rafferty
    McGeary
    Harte
    R Donnelly
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    M Donnelly
    Sludden
    McCurry
    McShane
    Donaghy
    Hard to know who is available with Sigerson and injuries but my selection:
    Morgan
    Hampsey McNammee J Munroe
    Brennan McGeary Harte
    Padraig McNulty Kilpatrick
    Meyler Sludden McKenna
    McCurry McShane Mattie Donnelly

    With Cassidy and McCann leaving the panel it creates an opportunity for Johnny Munroe. It would be good to see him get an injury free run at it to see where he could end up.

    i would guess theyll start 1 or 2 of the new lads, for a better look at them.. any word on what men were cut from the McKenna Cup panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM

    (https://scontent.flpl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/fr/cp0/e15/q65/272928348_4720667724679637_176275968194779336_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=ZfHgHzzCPEIAX-a2tsB&_nc_ht=scontent.flpl1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-eySSk778mdh6svNxBRMMutPLkk6Lcisq8Uxwi22Q7MQ&oe=61FB303E)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 30, 2022, 12:53:08 PM
    Any word on McKenna?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 06, 2022, 12:16:16 PM
    An hour and 45 to throw in and still no 26 named, I'm struggling to see how and why thats the case

    Kilpatrick will be a big loss today, probably our best performer in the last 2 games
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on February 06, 2022, 01:19:12 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 06, 2022, 12:16:16 PM
    An hour and 45 to throw in and still no 26 named, I'm struggling to see how and why thats the case

    Kilpatrick will be a big loss today, probably our best performer in the last 2 games

    Kilpatrick named as starting.
    https://twitter.com/TyroneGAALive/status/1490311557829566465?t=uXnLCtLOGytuKN07H0oSjw&s=19
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on February 06, 2022, 01:49:10 PM
    Canavan starting for Ritchie and Nathan Donnelly for Conn
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 06, 2022, 01:54:30 PM
    Can this be watched on TG4?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on February 06, 2022, 02:07:59 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 06, 2022, 01:54:30 PM
    Can this be watched on TG4?

    I'm watching on tg4 player app.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on February 06, 2022, 02:45:22 PM
    Armagh boys running all over us in first half!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on February 06, 2022, 03:25:31 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on February 06, 2022, 02:45:22 PM
    Armagh boys running all over us in first half!

    Harte in!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 06, 2022, 03:42:32 PM
    Fergal will be busy this week getting the 4 lads red cards rescinded.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeGoAgain on February 06, 2022, 04:04:02 PM
    Terrible first half performance ultimately cost Tyrone. The melee at the end was ridiculous. Did all 4 men who got reds get them for striking? The next league is very important now
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on February 06, 2022, 04:13:19 PM
    When is the last time a red card stood in Gaa?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 06, 2022, 05:12:34 PM
    Don't let the 4 red card debate take away from a god awful performance. From my viewpoint Peter Harte started the melee and thus earned his red. After that is any man's guess.

    Tyrone were bossed by Armagh today. Reduced to long range pot shots all 1st half. All while Armagh cut through our defense like a hot knife through butter. Armagh look a well conditioned strong team, hopefully they are peaking to early but lots of work for Tyrone to do in the coming weeks to ensure Div1 status.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 06, 2022, 05:24:10 PM
    Not one bit concerned about that result today.  Great bit of fight 8n the second half.  One team obviously much better prepared at this stage but if the all ireland was won 8n February I'd very concerned
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 07:14:37 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 06, 2022, 05:24:10 PM
    Not one bit concerned about that result today.  Great bit of fight 8n the second half.  One team obviously much better prepared at this stage but if the all ireland was won 8n February I'd very concerned

    I have the same opinion. This is only tyrones 3rd game. Losing to Armagh will bring them down to earth with a bang which is a good thing.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on February 06, 2022, 08:21:48 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 06, 2022, 05:12:34 PM
    Don't let the 4 red card debate take away from a god awful performance. From my viewpoint Peter Harte started the melee and thus earned his red. After that is any man's guess.

    Tyrone were bossed by Armagh today. Reduced to long range pot shots all 1st half. All while Armagh cut through our defense like a hot knife through butter. Armagh look a well conditioned strong team, hopefully they are peaking to early but lots of work for Tyrone to do in the coming weeks to ensure Div1 status.

    I wouldn't be sure how much Tyrone are prepping tactically for these league games. I would say they are focusing mostly on where they want to be come championship time and tweaking playing style etc. They aren't long back after a well earned break, Armagh must have several months team training on Tyrone. Armagh wilted a good bit in the second half, and couldn't cope with a high press off the kick out. If Tyrone do end up meeting them again, I would fully expect them to beat them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 06, 2022, 09:58:19 PM
    Armagh have peaked in February- good teams peak come summer time
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on February 06, 2022, 11:11:00 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 06, 2022, 08:21:48 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 06, 2022, 05:12:34 PM
    Don't let the 4 red card debate take away from a god awful performance. From my viewpoint Peter Harte started the melee and thus earned his red. After that is any man's guess.

    Tyrone were bossed by Armagh today. Reduced to long range pot shots all 1st half. All while Armagh cut through our defense like a hot knife through butter. Armagh look a well conditioned strong team, hopefully they are peaking to early but lots of work for Tyrone to do in the coming weeks to ensure Div1 status.

    I wouldn't be sure how much Tyrone are prepping tactically for these league games. I would say they are focusing mostly on where they want to be come championship time and tweaking playing style etc. They aren't long back after a well earned break, Armagh must have several months team training on Tyrone. Armagh wilted a good bit in the second half, and couldn't cope with a high press off the kick out. If Tyrone do end up meeting them again, I would fully expect them to beat them.

    Was in just before the Tyrone warmup, looked very casual and in parts slack and poor which carried on to the first 20kg a which was rough watching. Quite a few need a months training to get up to speed - on the pushing and shoving, Harte and McKieran at most was a red but Gough was very poor for both sides I thought. Armagh are a very hard running side, but get them in clones when the sod is hard they will run out of ideas
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on February 07, 2022, 09:44:11 AM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on February 06, 2022, 11:11:00 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 06, 2022, 08:21:48 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 06, 2022, 05:12:34 PM
    Don't let the 4 red card debate take away from a god awful performance. From my viewpoint Peter Harte started the melee and thus earned his red. After that is any man's guess.

    Tyrone were bossed by Armagh today. Reduced to long range pot shots all 1st half. All while Armagh cut through our defense like a hot knife through butter. Armagh look a well conditioned strong team, hopefully they are peaking to early but lots of work for Tyrone to do in the coming weeks to ensure Div1 status.

    I wouldn't be sure how much Tyrone are prepping tactically for these league games. I would say they are focusing mostly on where they want to be come championship time and tweaking playing style etc. They aren't long back after a well earned break, Armagh must have several months team training on Tyrone. Armagh wilted a good bit in the second half, and couldn't cope with a high press off the kick out. If Tyrone do end up meeting them again, I would fully expect them to beat them.

    Was in just before the Tyrone warmup, looked very casual and in parts slack and poor which carried on to the first 20kg a which was rough watching. Quite a few need a months training to get up to speed - on the pushing and shoving, Harte and McKieran at most was a red but Gough was very poor for both sides I thought. Armagh are a very hard running side, but get them in clones when the sod is hard they will run out of ideas

    I would be more worried about Armagh than previous years, but that isn't saying much. Tyrone didn't do much in the second half, but still got it back to four points just by pressing on the kick outs and Armagh were afraid to play. Fermanagh first in the championship, so plenty of time to get up to speed. If the red cards stick, it will give an opportunity to some other boys.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 10, 2022, 01:18:21 PM
    Of course derry will be a big test.  They should have beaten donegal in ballybofey last year.  Isn't it great to have them back just like armagh
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 14, 2022, 09:11:02 PM
    Appeals being heard tonight according to an interview with Hampsey.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 15, 2022, 07:14:26 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 14, 2022, 09:11:02 PM
    Appeals being heard tonight according to an interview with Hampsey.

    Should not have appealed in my honest opinion.

    Let the suspensions stand and use it as the stick to beat others with whenever it's overlooked in Dublin games.
    Conor McKenna, McNamee, Kilpatrick and Rory Brennan could have all come in to replace the suspended players.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on February 15, 2022, 09:20:09 AM
    All 4 suspensions stand. I knew the GAA would never let all 4 off but i did think they'd overturn 1 or 2.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on February 15, 2022, 09:24:37 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on February 15, 2022, 09:20:09 AM
    All 4 suspensions stand. I knew the GAA would never let all 4 off but i did think they'd overturn 1 or 2.

    Didnt think they could overturn 1 or 2 - it was an all or nothing scenario.

    Contributing to a melee is a very difficult one to get off with (unless by technicality).

    Will be very interesting to see how this weekends games are refereed and if 'contributing to a melee' gets a man a red card
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 15, 2022, 09:28:27 AM
    Squad depth will be really tested now.

    Any word on Peter Teague or Paudie McNulty?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneOnlooker on February 15, 2022, 09:31:36 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 15, 2022, 09:28:27 AM
    Squad depth will be really tested now.

    Any word on Peter Teague or Paudie McNulty?

    Think both have been injured to date. Loss of the 5 more experienced men from the squad will certainly test reserves now. Not sure if the new blood are ready to step in just yet.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 15, 2022, 03:10:58 PM
    Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on February 15, 2022, 09:31:36 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 15, 2022, 09:28:27 AM
    Squad depth will be really tested now.

    Any word on Peter Teague or Paudie McNulty?

    Think both have been injured to date. Loss of the 5 more experienced men from the squad will certainly test reserves now. Not sure if the new blood are ready to step in just yet.

    Michael O'Neill is another who hasnt appeared yet.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 15, 2022, 07:42:28 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 15, 2022, 03:10:58 PM
    Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on February 15, 2022, 09:31:36 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 15, 2022, 09:28:27 AM
    Squad depth will be really tested now.

    Any word on Peter Teague or Paudie McNulty?

    Think both have been injured to date. Loss of the 5 more experienced men from the squad will certainly test reserves now. Not sure if the new blood are ready to step in just yet.

    Michael O'Neill is another who hasnt appeared yet.
    Don't think O'Neill is injured, just hasnt featured yet. McNamee is still injured. Not sure if Rory Brennan has shaken his injury he got V Armagh in the McKenna cup. Limits your options for who starts V Kildare.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 15, 2022, 07:50:34 PM
    Munroes and donaghy obvious choices to be brought in
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on February 15, 2022, 11:00:41 PM
    A lot of the new boys dropped from squad last week. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 15, 2022, 11:48:59 PM
    Any of the colleges players training?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on February 18, 2022, 02:57:51 PM
    The u20s are out against Antrim tomorrow in Portglenone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 18, 2022, 04:20:34 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on February 18, 2022, 02:57:51 PM
    The u20s are out against Antrim tomorrow in Portglenone.
    Another brilliant U20 team starting out tomorrow then. Danny Fullerton, Ruairi Canavan, Luke Donnelly, Conor Cush, Michael McGleenan, Oisin McCann, Sean O'Donnell being the most established senior players. Hopefully this is the year Devlin and Carlin bring the whole thing together, if not surely that is them away.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 18, 2022, 07:23:20 PM
    Certainly the bones of a real good squad there GWC

    Derry look very strong at u20 this time round, hard to look past them
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 18, 2022, 07:42:10 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 18, 2022, 04:20:34 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on February 18, 2022, 02:57:51 PM
    The u20s are out against Antrim tomorrow in Portglenone.
    Another brilliant U20 team starting out tomorrow then. Danny Fullerton, Ruairi Canavan, Luke Donnelly, Conor Cush, Michael McGleenan, Oisin McCann, Sean O'Donnell being the most established senior players. Hopefully this is the year Devlin and Carlin bring the whole thing together, if not surely that is them away.
    Niall Devlin (Coalisland) Captain and Ruairi Canavan (Errigal Ciaran) Vice-Captain.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on February 19, 2022, 12:42:02 PM
    What sort of shape will Healy park be in when this snow melts? Anyone know what pitch is on standby?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: delgany on February 19, 2022, 01:46:40 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on February 19, 2022, 12:42:02 PM
    What sort of shape will Healy park be in when this snow melts? Anyone know what pitch is on standby?
    The match is down for live coverage on TG4 , would the lights be an issue ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on February 19, 2022, 01:51:24 PM
    Not looking good decision should have been made by now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:29 AM
    What sort of shape is Healy Park in today?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on February 20, 2022, 11:30:48 AM
    Passed pitch inspection this morning so going ahead.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Rois on February 20, 2022, 02:28:27 PM
    Anyone want two tickets? My season tickets going to waste.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
    We had some serious chances yesterday - could have finished with 4 or 5 goals easily.

    Thought Canavans movement & work rate was exceptional - he missed a few but that will come.

    Burns was again outstanding - leading the team at every opportunity.

    Why did Cathal not start?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on February 21, 2022, 12:28:24 PM
    Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
    We had some serious chances yesterday - could have finished with 4 or 5 goals easily.

    Thought Canavans movement & work rate was exceptional - he missed a few but that will come.

    Burns was again outstanding - leading the team at every opportunity.

    Why did Cathal not start?

    He wasn't outstanding against Armagh to be honest, not a big surprise he was dropped
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 21, 2022, 12:29:04 PM
    Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
    We had some serious chances yesterday - could have finished with 4 or 5 goals easily.

    Thought Canavans movement & work rate was exceptional - he missed a few but that will come.

    Burns was again outstanding - leading the team at every opportunity.

    Why did Cathal not start?

    Very poor in the first two league games. Donaghy deserved a chance.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
    Even if he isnt playing well he still commands a lot of attention from the opposing defence which inevitably leaves plenty of space for others to exploit
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 21, 2022, 12:57:14 PM
    Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
    Even if he isnt playing well he still commands a lot of attention from the opposing defence which inevitably leaves plenty of space for others to exploit

    Can't say I seen that based on the opening three games but understand the sentiment. Hopefully he can recapture some form.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 21, 2022, 01:06:41 PM
    Conor mckenna is a bit of a head scratcher. Didn't play well against kildare, he almost seemed to be forcing it. Hopefully he get get some form and have a good run of it.

    McNulty and Donaghy didn't play great either but the conditions were rubbish to be fair.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on February 21, 2022, 02:58:33 PM
    thought mckenna stunk the place up. if we are at full strength or even missing 1 or 2, i wouldnt have him in my 15
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 21, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
    Tbh lads, mckenna and mcshane didn't have great aifs.  2 great pieces of skill for the goals but other than that there were missed frees, poor passes etc.  If these boys can find the form that they're capable of we'd be flying.  Canavan and mccurry are doing rightly.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 21, 2022, 04:59:51 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 21, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
    Tbh lads, mckenna and mcshane didn't have great aifs.  2 great pieces of skill for the goals but other than that there were missed frees, poor passes etc.  If these boys can find the form that they're capable of we'd be flying.  Canavan and mccurry are doing rightly.

    I can understand mcshane as he was only back from injury but mckenna played majority of the games. Bar moments of genius the games largely passed him by.

    This is the year that he really needs to step up and discover form.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on February 21, 2022, 06:15:45 PM
    I wouldn't get too worried about form at this stage. Conditions aren't great to put it mildly. It will be a different ball game when the ground dries up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 21, 2022, 06:23:01 PM
    Yeah, early days.  Can't imagine Sat night will be much of a spectacle v donegal
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2022, 09:41:20 PM
    We will peak come championship time- the dry pitch suits us with smaller ball winners all over the field
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on February 22, 2022, 08:32:01 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on February 21, 2022, 04:59:51 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 21, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
    Tbh lads, mckenna and mcshane didn't have great aifs.  2 great pieces of skill for the goals but other than that there were missed frees, poor passes etc.  If these boys can find the form that they're capable of we'd be flying.  Canavan and mccurry are doing rightly.

    I can understand mcshane as he was only back from injury but mckenna played majority of the games. Bar moments of genius the games largely passed him by.

    This is the year that he really needs to step up and discover form.

    Both had genuine reasons for not showing true form last year.  It will take McKenna time to re-adjust and McShane also after the injury.  The fact that we are near a year further on should allow both to hopefully flourish.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: oakleaflad on February 22, 2022, 08:50:31 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 18, 2022, 07:23:20 PM
    Certainly the bones of a real good squad there GWC

    Derry look very strong at u20 this time round, hard to look past them
    Do we? Donegal beat us 3-14 to 0-06 there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 22, 2022, 09:17:53 AM
    Quote from: oakleaflad on February 22, 2022, 08:50:31 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 18, 2022, 07:23:20 PM
    Certainly the bones of a real good squad there GWC

    Derry look very strong at u20 this time round, hard to look past them
    Do we? Donegal beat us 3-14 to 0-06 there.

    not here to big up Derry, but the likes of Lachlan Murray & Matthew Downey were probably playing for your senior team at the weekend. There are no U20's playing senior intercounty football in our team. Recent success at mcrory & 2020 u17 all ireland suggests youse should be very competitive this time round
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the goal was on on February 22, 2022, 10:31:56 AM
    i highly doubt gallagher will release those in his senior panel for the u20's so that will severely weaken derry.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Blowitupref on February 23, 2022, 04:14:42 PM
    Decent medal collection.

    (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMMcrXGXEAMZACO?format=jpg&name=small)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on February 25, 2022, 03:49:51 PM
    V Donegal Sat
    Is Murphy playing?  Without him, Tyrone should win ???
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on February 25, 2022, 06:09:23 PM
    No Murphy nor Langan I heard
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 25, 2022, 06:57:31 PM
    Donegal were woeful against Kerry. I'd expect them to be better tomorrow night and Ballybofey is never easy to go to but fully expecting 2 points for Tyrone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on February 26, 2022, 03:31:11 PM
    They've not lost a league game there since 2010
    "Improving Tyrone can end Ballybofey unbeaten streak and compund Donegal problems - The Irish News" https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/02/26/news/improving-tyrone-can-end-ballybofey-unbeaten-streak-and-compund-donegal-problems-2599283/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on February 26, 2022, 06:01:55 PM
    Niall Morgan; Michael McKernan, Padraig Hampsey, Frank Burns, Niall Sludden, Johnny Munroe, Peter Harte; Conn Kilpatrick, Brian Kennedy; Nathan Donnelly, Darragh Canavan, Conor Meyler, Darren McCurry, Conor McKenna, Paul Donaghy

    Starting 15 for tonight.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on February 26, 2022, 06:03:21 PM
    Shaun Patton, Caolan Ward, Brendan McCole, Stephen McMenamin, Ryan McHugh, Eoghan Ban Gallagher, Odhrán McFadden-Ferry, Hugh McFadden, Jason McGee, Shane O'Donnell, Peadar Mogan, Ciaran Thompson, Patrick McBrearty, Conor O'Donnell, Oisin Gallen.

    Donegal starting 15.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 26, 2022, 06:43:27 PM
    Apart from mcnamee, McGeary and m Donnelly full strength
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on February 26, 2022, 07:08:48 PM
    Sparks will fly between Meyler and Mcfadden-Ferry
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 26, 2022, 07:17:36 PM
    Late changes McNulty and McDonnell in
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JimStynes on February 27, 2022, 07:32:19 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on February 21, 2022, 01:06:41 PM
    Conor mckenna is a bit of a head scratcher. Didn't play well against kildare, he almost seemed to be forcing it. Hopefully he get get some form and have a good run of it.

    McNulty and Donaghy didn't play great either but the conditions were rubbish to be fair.

    I can't see McKenna playing football for that long. Doesn't seem to be dying about it and would rather be working in the old horse racing game. Class player but seems to have lost a bit of motivation for football at the minute.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on February 27, 2022, 10:40:07 AM
    He is a bit like his horse NO SPEED LIMITS a short runner but he is still a super talent that needs nurturing imo.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 27, 2022, 11:56:44 AM
    McKenna Probably needed a good pre season but with winning all Ireland that was limited. Donaghy I thought was preforming well before but not impressed yesterday.

    Game passed a lot of players by yesterday probably due to the wind. A Harte or Donnelly would have have been useful in that second half
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 27, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
    Tyrone Dublin basically a relegation play off next week in Omagh
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on February 27, 2022, 06:19:58 PM
    How many go down ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 27, 2022, 06:34:38 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 27, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
    Tyrone Dublin basically a relegation play off next week in Omagh
    In 2 weeks' time, yep, on March 13th.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 28, 2022, 06:47:48 AM
    Peter Harte missed the weekends match due to Covid.

    No word on McNamee, Michael O'Neill or Niall Kelly in the squads to date.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneOnlooker on February 28, 2022, 08:50:38 AM
    Not sure to be concerned by tyrone's displays so far or confident that they'll turn it on a bit when it matters and that it's only to be expected after winning an all ireland.

    Canavan looks v. sharp so far, just needs to keep it up for a whole game. Perplexed by mckenna and mcshane. to me, mckenna looks like a man who has lost interest in the game. so much talent but has that kind of lazy swagger about him. Maybe come the good weather and hard ground we'll see a bit more from him. Mcshane is struggling to live up to his own reputation and i thought sean cavanagh's comments were interesting in that he thinks he's too unpredictable and maybe management see it as safer to go with the boys who you know what exactly you'll get from them, then throw cathal in last 15/20 for hopefully a bit of magic. be a bit concerned that we still haven't seen michael o'neill or mcnamee and if the other boys are anything to go by, it does take time to get back up to speed and intensity of intercounty football.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 28, 2022, 09:04:34 AM
    To be fair to McShane and Conor McKenna at the weekend they came on at 62 mins and 65 mins. Hardly much time to do anything. Felt subs were very late. Three only made in total.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: kickitin on February 28, 2022, 09:37:27 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 27, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
    Tyrone Dublin basically a relegation play off next week in Omagh

    are kildare and monaghan exempt from relegation or waaaaaaa ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on February 28, 2022, 09:42:56 AM
    Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on February 28, 2022, 08:50:38 AM
    Not sure to be concerned by tyrone's displays so far or confident that they'll turn it on a bit when it matters and that it's only to be expected after winning an all ireland.

    Canavan looks v. sharp so far, just needs to keep it up for a whole game. Perplexed by mckenna and mcshane. to me, mckenna looks like a man who has lost interest in the game. so much talent but has that kind of lazy swagger about him. Maybe come the good weather and hard ground we'll see a bit more from him. Mcshane is struggling to live up to his own reputation and i thought sean cavanagh's comments were interesting in that he thinks he's too unpredictable and maybe management see it as safer to go with the boys who you know what exactly you'll get from them, then throw cathal in last 15/20 for hopefully a bit of magic. be a bit concerned that we still haven't seen michael o'neill or mcnamee and if the other boys are anything to go by, it does take time to get back up to speed and intensity of intercounty football.

    I think I said it here before. Shortly after the AI win McKenna done a Podcast with Tommy Niblock & McConville and i said straight after 'that's a boy that won't have a long inter county career' He talked about not loving football growing up but he was good at it so kept playing. Also mentioned he enjoyed County football after Covid because it was 2/3 days/nights a week & if it went to 4/5 nights a week he wouldn't play. He also said club football had been scheduled until the week before Christmas because of the backlog of fixtures at the time & said 'i won't be giving up my life to play games every Sunday right up to Christmas.'  He made no qualms in saying horses & racing is his love/priority and football is number 2.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 28, 2022, 10:17:43 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on February 28, 2022, 09:04:34 AM
    To be fair to McShane and Conor McKenna at the weekend they came on at 62 mins and 65 mins. Hardly much time to do anything. Felt subs were very late. Three only made in total.

    I agree. No point bringing on people with less than 10 mins to go and expect miracles from them. Think mcneeds more game time. He has only started a handful of games for Tyrone in the last 18 months. Last year he played at most 30 mins or so a game.

    Hopefully the dry ground will suit his style more over the next 2 months
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 28, 2022, 03:48:06 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on February 28, 2022, 09:04:34 AM
    To be fair to McShane and Conor McKenna at the weekend they came on at 62 mins and 65 mins. Hardly much time to do anything. Felt subs were very late. Three only made in total.

    Yep, it wasn't Management's best day on the line, by a long chalk. :-\
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 28, 2022, 03:50:54 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on February 28, 2022, 09:42:56 AM
    Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on February 28, 2022, 08:50:38 AM
    Not sure to be concerned by tyrone's displays so far or confident that they'll turn it on a bit when it matters and that it's only to be expected after winning an all ireland.

    Canavan looks v. sharp so far, just needs to keep it up for a whole game. Perplexed by mckenna and mcshane. to me, mckenna looks like a man who has lost interest in the game. so much talent but has that kind of lazy swagger about him. Maybe come the good weather and hard ground we'll see a bit more from him. Mcshane is struggling to live up to his own reputation and i thought sean cavanagh's comments were interesting in that he thinks he's too unpredictable and maybe management see it as safer to go with the boys who you know what exactly you'll get from them, then throw cathal in last 15/20 for hopefully a bit of magic. be a bit concerned that we still haven't seen michael o'neill or mcnamee and if the other boys are anything to go by, it does take time to get back up to speed and intensity of intercounty football.

    I think I said it here before. Shortly after the AI win McKenna done a Podcast with Tommy Niblock & McConville and i said straight after 'that's a boy that won't have a long inter county career' He talked about not loving football growing up but he was good at it so kept playing. Also mentioned he enjoyed County football after Covid because it was 2/3 days/nights a week & if it went to 4/5 nights a week he wouldn't play. He also said club football had been scheduled until the week before Christmas because of the backlog of fixtures at the time & said 'i won't be giving up my life to play games every Sunday right up to Christmas.'  He made no qualms in saying horses & racing is his love/priority and football is number 2.

    I listened to that podcast too and while he did make those points, he was also very clear in saying that he hadn't been at his best over the Championship (despite some absolutely crucial moments of real class) and that he'd be going all out to go up a level. He looks in good shape physically to me and if anything he looked so keen to impress when he was on the park the last two games that he was trying too hard, some questionable decision making. I'd like to see him get a run of games and that goes for McShane too.

    First half was promising on Saturday but very disjointed after the break, not enough men willing to take control of the game. Chucked away two points that would have been very useful. Always expected a slow build up this year but could certainly do with going up a level or two the next few weeks.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 28, 2022, 03:59:11 PM
    I don't think we are a million miles away. The spell in the first half was very good but no doubt the 2nd half was very disappointing. McShane is a funny one. His finishing is excellent but his general play has been poor enough in the first 2 games. Peter Harte was a big miss for Donegal. McGeary has been quiet so far.

    I'd expect us to beat Dublin and Mayo and who knows with Kerry. I'm fairly optimistic that once the championship rolls around we'll be in good shape.

    I notice Canavan wasn't moving too well when he was chasing back for the Donegal 2nd goal. Hopefully it's not a hamstring problem.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on February 28, 2022, 05:02:34 PM
    McGeary is completely off the boil
    he seems to be too focused on barking orders to other players, patrolled the sideline for 70mins the other night, offering v little other than shouting at others
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 28, 2022, 06:05:57 PM
    I don't think we are too far away either. Other teams prep is well underway, I think we are starting out with the aim of peaking later. I could be completely wrong however.

    I am worried about the forwards we can bring on to change a game bar mcshane and McCurry. If they are having a poor day who do we turn to. Bradley will be a big miss this year. Donaghy has not lived up to his first appearance either.

    Any word on why Lee brennan isn't getting any game time?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 28, 2022, 06:32:13 PM
    Was thinking brennan should get a run too but not sure if he's injured
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 28, 2022, 07:14:57 PM
    Hopefully Tyrone can win this weekend as Tyrone need to ply McShane and McKenna to get games under their belt. Darragh canavan drifting in and out of games but magic when on it. Not be long till he's joined by the brother as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on February 28, 2022, 07:18:50 PM
    Surely a few men bound to be thinking it's time to pack it in? No game time for a lot of men so far and next few games are must win so they probably won't get game time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrdub on March 01, 2022, 08:46:48 AM
    What's the verdict on McNulty? It looked pretty bad on the TV
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 01, 2022, 08:52:36 AM
    Quote from: Tyrdub on March 01, 2022, 08:46:48 AM
    What's the verdict on McNulty? It looked pretty bad on the TV

    Arm fracture, Season over
    So frustrating, was delighted to see him come back. Significant loss
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrdub on March 01, 2022, 09:03:00 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 01, 2022, 08:52:36 AM
    Quote from: Tyrdub on March 01, 2022, 08:46:48 AM
    What's the verdict on McNulty? It looked pretty bad on the TV

    Arm fracture, Season over
    So frustrating, was delighted to see him come back. Significant loss

    That's what I expected, not good
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on March 01, 2022, 02:30:05 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 01, 2022, 08:52:36 AM
    Quote from: Tyrdub on March 01, 2022, 08:46:48 AM
    What's the verdict on McNulty? It looked pretty bad on the TV

    Arm fracture, Season over
    So frustrating, was delighted to see him come back. Significant loss

    I mind when arm fractures took 6 weeks to recover from..... now they take all season. Snowflakes!!!!  :D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on March 02, 2022, 08:03:53 AM
    Hardly any games played so far and they're coming of the back of a period of serious partying and raking about. Soft ground. Nothing won in February/March etc...
    I look at Armagh and can't help but think that they are getting their timing wrong - peaking too early maybe...hope we can pick up points from the remaining few games
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on March 02, 2022, 09:38:21 AM
    Quote from: Stan on March 02, 2022, 08:03:53 AM
    Hardly any games played so far and they're coming of the back of a period of serious partying and raking about. Soft ground. Nothing won in February/March etc...
    I look at Armagh and can't help but think that they are getting their timing wrong - peaking too early maybe...hope we can pick up points from the remaining few games

    I would be worried if they don't show a bit more attacking edge soon
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on March 05, 2022, 01:25:31 PM
    Two impressive wins for U-17's/U-20's this morning. Both win by 16 points. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 05, 2022, 04:31:25 PM
    What age is R canavan?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on March 05, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 05, 2022, 04:31:25 PM
    What age is R canavan?

    17 I think?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on March 05, 2022, 05:01:51 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 05, 2022, 04:31:25 PM
    What age is R canavan?
    18. He has 1 more year after this at u20s
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 05, 2022, 05:13:21 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 05, 2022, 04:31:25 PM
    What age is R canavan?

    19 this year therefore 1 more year at U20 county level
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The_Slug on March 06, 2022, 07:25:04 PM
    two brennans left the panel i hear. a lot of players opting off, will a few men who were dropped be called back into it again?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 06, 2022, 07:43:05 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on March 06, 2022, 07:25:04 PM
    two brennans left the panel i hear. a lot of players opting off, will a few men who were dropped be called back into it again?

    Was really looking foward to seeing what Lee brennan could do if given a run of games. Why are so many players leaving an AI winning panel. Thought now would be an ideal time for Lee brennan or a mark Bradley (if he stayed) to mark a place on the panel with mcshane not playing well at the minute.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 06, 2022, 08:03:51 PM
    Thought R Brennan a sure starter foot years but has been off it for a while now. The Lee Brennan role out the pitch as he does not trillick does not suit Tyrone or county football. Mark Bradley and the impact of tiernan McCann the main loses this year. Opportunity for people to step up
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 06, 2022, 08:26:13 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 06, 2022, 08:03:51 PM
    Thought R Brennan a sure starter foot years but has been off it for a while now. The Lee Brennan role out the pitch as he does not trillick does not suit Tyrone or county football. Mark Bradley and the impact of tiernan McCann the main loses this year. Opportunity for people to step up

    Rory Brennan was a very regular starter up until last years Ulster final v Monaghan when he was again named at 6 but had to withdraw due to Covid - has only featured in one game since which was against Kildare last week. A big loss for sure, a quality defender and all round footballer
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 06, 2022, 10:53:51 PM
    All of Rory's managers speak very highly of him as a footballer. He never really got a good run at it for county.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 07, 2022, 07:41:48 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 06, 2022, 08:26:13 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 06, 2022, 08:03:51 PM
    Thought R Brennan a sure starter foot years but has been off it for a while now. The Lee Brennan role out the pitch as he does not trillick does not suit Tyrone or county football. Mark Bradley and the impact of tiernan McCann the main loses this year. Opportunity for people to step up

    Rory Brennan was a very regular starter up until last years Ulster final v Monaghan when he was again named at 6 but had to withdraw due to Covid - has only featured in one game since which was against Kildare last week. A big loss for sure, a quality defender and all round footballer

    He struggled in the two McKenna cup games this year and against Kildare but certainly feel when form picks up he would be there or thereabouts.

    McNamee back at training so maybe thought there is another person ahead of him.

    Niall Kelly and Conor Quinn suppose to have left the panel also.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on March 08, 2022, 09:54:51 AM
    4 def gone?  Can't be loosing many more...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on March 08, 2022, 10:51:28 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on March 06, 2022, 10:53:51 PM
    All of Rory's managers speak very highly of him as a footballer. He never really got a good run at it for county.
    Rory is a big loss there.  Lee always was struggling to step up, but Rory was there or therabouts.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneOnlooker on March 08, 2022, 12:02:03 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on March 08, 2022, 10:51:28 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on March 06, 2022, 10:53:51 PM
    All of Rory's managers speak very highly of him as a footballer. He never really got a good run at it for county.
    Rory is a big loss there.  Lee always was struggling to step up, but Rory was there or therabouts.

    Is anyone else surprised by the number of leavers? For someone like Rory, he's never going to be far away, so it seems strange to leave the panel, though with the medal in the pocket now the decision is maybe easier.

    Tyrone's loss will be Trillick's gain obviously with a fairly settled team all year outside the two Donnellys
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 08, 2022, 12:22:21 PM
    Off the squad since last year is HP McGeary, Cassidy, Bradley, McCann, O'Neill plus the above 4 names of 2 x Brennan, Kelly & Quinn. McNulty obviously back on it but by the sounds of it the injury has ruled him out for the county season anyway.

    Any names missing from the below?

    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan
    Paudi Hampsey
    Frank Burns
    Niall Sludden
    Jonathan Munroe
    Conor Meyler
    Paudi McNulty
    Brian Kennedy
    Conn Kilpatrick
    Darragh Canavan
    Nathan Donnelly
    Kieran McGeary
    Darren McCurry
    Paul Donaghy
    Darragh McAnenley
    Liam Rafferty
    Conor Shields
    Conor McKenna
    Peter Harte
    Ben McDonnell
    Cormac Munroe
    Richard Donnelly
    Cathal McShane
    Michael Conroy
    Mattie Donnelly
    Ronan McNamee
    Michael O'Neill
    Lorcan Quinn
    Sean Loughran?
    Ryan McCusker?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 08, 2022, 01:50:39 PM
    Tyrone are going to have very limited options coming off the bench now. Injuries to a few key players anf out season could be very short.

    Any ideas why so many are leaving. It must be unusual for this amount to leave.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 08, 2022, 02:03:22 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 08, 2022, 12:22:21 PM
    Off the squad since last year is HP McGeary, Cassidy, Bradley, McCann, O'Neill plus the above 4 names of 2 x Brennan, Kelly & Quinn. McNulty obviously back on it but by the sounds of it the injury has ruled him out for the county season anyway.

    Any names missing from the below?

    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan
    Paudi Hampsey
    Frank Burns
    Niall Sludden
    Jonathan Munroe
    Conor Meyler
    Paudi McNulty
    Brian Kennedy
    Conn Kilpatrick
    Darragh Canavan
    Nathan Donnelly
    Kieran McGeary
    Darren McCurry
    Paul Donaghy
    Darragh McAnenley
    Liam Rafferty
    Conor Shields
    Conor McKenna
    Peter Harte
    Ben McDonnell
    Cormac Munroe
    Richard Donnelly
    Cathal McShane
    Michael Conroy
    Mattie Donnelly
    Ronan McNamee
    Michael O'Neill
    Lorcan Quinn
    Sean Loughran?
    Ryan McCusker?

    Is Peter Teague still involved?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on March 08, 2022, 02:30:08 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 08, 2022, 12:22:21 PM
    Off the squad since last year is HP McGeary, Cassidy, Bradley, McCann, O'Neill plus the above 4 names of 2 x Brennan, Kelly & Quinn. McNulty obviously back on it but by the sounds of it the injury has ruled him out for the county season anyway.

    Any names missing from the below?

    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan
    Paudi Hampsey
    Frank Burns
    Niall Sludden
    Jonathan Munroe
    Conor Meyler
    Paudi McNulty
    Brian Kennedy
    Conn Kilpatrick
    Darragh Canavan
    Nathan Donnelly
    Kieran McGeary
    Darren McCurry
    Paul Donaghy
    Darragh McAnenley
    Liam Rafferty
    Conor Shields
    Conor McKenna
    Peter Harte
    Ben McDonnell
    Cormac Munroe
    Richard Donnelly
    Cathal McShane
    Michael Conroy
    Mattie Donnelly
    Ronan McNamee
    Michael O'Neill
    Lorcan Quinn
    Sean Loughran?
    Ryan McCusker
    Peter Teague and Emmett McNabb although both carrying injuries at the minute
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trileacman on March 08, 2022, 10:13:52 PM
    The decision to only use 2 subs in the 2nd half when being beaten by Donegal must have swayed a few decisions lately. I mean it basically told the bench I trust the players that I've on even though there knackered more than you.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 08, 2022, 10:34:32 PM
    Quote from: trileacman on March 08, 2022, 10:13:52 PM
    The decision to only use 2 subs in the 2nd half when being beaten by Donegal must have swayed a few decisions lately. I mean it basically told the bench I trust the players that I've on even though there knackered more than you.

    Yeah I got to say that I found that strange. Since Lee brennan came back last year I don't think he has gotten any game time. Maybe a few minutes at the most. Can't blame players not not sticking around if they are not getting any chances.

    Has it been confirmed that they have left the panel. Normally it comes out in the irish news or twitter but I haven't seen anything.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Trap on March 08, 2022, 10:36:07 PM
    Would Tyrone be safer losing to fermanagh, getting in a few hard weeks of training and giving it a go through qualifiers? Ulster going to be a minefield and would hate to lose to Derry!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 08, 2022, 10:43:43 PM
    Quote from: The Trap on March 08, 2022, 10:36:07 PM
    Would Tyrone be safer losing to fermanagh, getting in a few hard weeks of training and giving it a go through qualifiers? Ulster going to be a minefield and would hate to lose to Derry!

    I would say Derry have been working towards this game for a long time. They were unlucky not to beat Donegal last year. Not sure how this season will go for tyrone. I didn't mind the slow start to the league as they werent long back from holidays but with all the recent players leaving the panel recently it may be a sign of things to come.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on March 08, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
    Quote from: The Trap on March 08, 2022, 10:36:07 PM
    Would Tyrone be safer losing to fermanagh, getting in a few hard weeks of training and giving it a go through qualifiers? Ulster going to be a minefield and would hate to lose to Derry!

    I can only presume you are taking the piss here? Lose to Fermanagh so we can avoid Derry?? You've gone mad 😂😂
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 09, 2022, 06:45:04 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 08, 2022, 10:43:43 PM
    Quote from: The Trap on March 08, 2022, 10:36:07 PM
    Would Tyrone be safer losing to fermanagh, getting in a few hard weeks of training and giving it a go through qualifiers? Ulster going to be a minefield and would hate to lose to Derry!

    I would say Derry have been working towards this game for a long time. They were unlucky not to beat Donegal last year. Not sure how this season will go for tyrone. I didn't mind the slow start to the league as they werent long back from holidays but with all the recent players leaving the panel recently it may be a sign of things to come.

    Interesting that so many have walked away, maybe hunger gone after winning the thing last year but I don't think as many opted out on MH over the years.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 09, 2022, 08:55:23 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 08, 2022, 10:34:32 PM

    Has it been confirmed that they have left the panel. Normally it comes out in the irish news or twitter but I haven't seen anything.

    Teamtalkmag have it up on Facebook this morning about Lee Brennan leaving the squad but no mention of anyone else.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on March 09, 2022, 09:08:02 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 08, 2022, 12:22:21 PM
    Off the squad since last year is HP McGeary, Cassidy, Bradley, McCann, O'Neill plus the above 4 names of 2 x Brennan, Kelly & Quinn. McNulty obviously back on it but by the sounds of it the injury has ruled him out for the county season anyway.

    Any names missing from the below?

    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan
    Paudi Hampsey
    Frank Burns
    Niall Sludden
    Jonathan Munroe
    Conor Meyler
    Paudi McNulty
    Brian Kennedy
    Conn Kilpatrick
    Darragh Canavan
    Nathan Donnelly
    Kieran McGeary
    Darren McCurry
    Paul Donaghy
    Darragh McAnenley
    Liam Rafferty
    Conor Shields
    Conor McKenna
    Peter Harte
    Ben McDonnell
    Cormac Munroe
    Richard Donnelly
    Cathal McShane
    Michael Conroy
    Mattie Donnelly
    Ronan McNamee
    Michael O'Neill
    Lorcan Quinn
    Sean Loughran?
    Ryan McCusker?
    Ryan Jones
    Liam Nugent
    Rory Donnelly
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on March 09, 2022, 10:01:59 AM
    Quote from: clubman21 on March 09, 2022, 09:08:02 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 08, 2022, 12:22:21 PM
    Off the squad since last year is HP McGeary, Cassidy, Bradley, McCann, O'Neill plus the above 4 names of 2 x Brennan, Kelly & Quinn. McNulty obviously back on it but by the sounds of it the injury has ruled him out for the county season anyway.

    Any names missing from the below?

    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan
    Paudi Hampsey
    Frank Burns
    Niall Sludden
    Jonathan Munroe
    Conor Meyler
    Paudi McNulty
    Brian Kennedy
    Conn Kilpatrick
    Darragh Canavan
    Nathan Donnelly
    Kieran McGeary
    Darren McCurry
    Paul Donaghy
    Darragh McAnenley
    Liam Rafferty
    Conor Shields
    Conor McKenna
    Peter Harte
    Ben McDonnell
    Cormac Munroe
    Richard Donnelly
    Cathal McShane
    Michael Conroy
    Mattie Donnelly
    Ronan McNamee
    Michael O'Neill
    Lorcan Quinn
    Sean Loughran?
    Ryan McCusker?
    Ryan Jones
    Liam Nugent
    Rory Donnelly
    Is Conail Grimes on the panel ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 09, 2022, 10:48:57 AM
    Can't understand why players would leave at minute.
    With the new split season they would only miss about 4 league games for the club and that's even if Tyrone progress to the latter stages in June. They would be better for their club staying  with county getting fitness and higher level training.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 09, 2022, 12:59:27 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 09, 2022, 10:48:57 AM
    Can't understand why players would leave at minute.
    With the new split season they would only miss about 4 league games for the club and that's even if Tyrone progress to the latter stages in June. They would be better for their club staying  with county getting fitness and higher level training.

    The interviews from Ronan Oneill, Mark Bradley and Conor Mckenna wouod reveal that its very taxing on mind, body and soul. The lads need to do whats best for themselves
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on March 09, 2022, 04:04:50 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on March 09, 2022, 12:59:27 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 09, 2022, 10:48:57 AM
    Can't understand why players would leave at minute.
    With the new split season they would only miss about 4 league games for the club and that's even if Tyrone progress to the latter stages in June. They would be better for their club staying  with county getting fitness and higher level training.

    The interviews from Ronan Oneill, Mark Bradley and Conor Mckenna wouod reveal that its very taxing on mind, body and soul. The lads need to do whats best for themselves

    'Don't understand why lads would leave the county panel'   ::) ::) ::)

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 09, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
    Surely with split season they are missing out on very little anyway
    Except 4 starred games if Tyrone get to AI semi final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on March 09, 2022, 07:11:15 PM
    Missing out on club football mustn't be the reason
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on March 09, 2022, 07:56:09 PM
    Training flat out multiple nights a week and not getting playing is the reason - straightforward enough.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on March 10, 2022, 08:30:44 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 09, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
    Surely with split season they are missing out on very little anyway
    Except 4 starred games if Tyrone get to AI semi final

    Go read Ronan O'Neill's interview in the Irish News from the time he quit.

    Missing 4 league games is probably the least of these guys worries, their used to missing club action year after year. Missing family members/best mates stags, weddings and numerous other events to train 5/6 nights a week when not even making match day panels is borderline lunacy. It can also lead to young fella's being in a bad head space. Easy for us to say 'why would he quit, loads of fella's would love to play for their county.' County football is a full time lifestyle, why give that much effort into something if you aren't getting any game time at all or its effecting your life negatively?

    Your 20's are probably the best years of your lives, you wouldn't want to look back and say you gave them up for a few McKenna cup games & to be used for in-house games. That's alright for a few years when you are first breaking on, but there has to be a point where you have to make the decision. A few of them also probably thought they would get more game time after a change in management, however once a 2nd management team comes in and your situation doesn't change, the writing is probably on the wall.

    Ronan O Neill didn't make the 26 man panel for AI final.
    Lee Brennan's last championship appearance was 2018 AI final vs Dublin.
    Mark Bradley came on in 76th min in Ai semi vs Kerry and didn't get on in the final.
    Tiernan McCann got 14mins between the Semi final & Final.
    HP McGeary barely got a kick all year.
    Rory Brennan hasn't played since the Ulster Final last year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneOnlooker on March 10, 2022, 08:37:04 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on March 10, 2022, 08:30:44 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 09, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
    Surely with split season they are missing out on very little anyway
    Except 4 starred games if Tyrone get to AI semi final

    Go read Ronan O'Neill's interview in the Irish News from the time he quit.

    Missing 4 league games is probably the least of these guys worries, their used to missing club action year after year. Missing family members/best mates stags, weddings and numerous other events to train 5/6 nights a week when not even making match day panels is borderline lunacy. It can also lead to young fella's being in a bad head space. Easy for us to say 'why would he quit, loads of fella's would love to play for their county.' County football is a full time lifestyle, why give that much effort into something if you aren't getting any game time at all or its effecting your life negatively?

    Your 20's are probably the best years of your lives, you wouldn't want to look back and say you gave them up for a few McKenna cup games & to be used for in-house games. That's alright for a few years when you are first breaking on, but there has to be a point where you have to make the decision. A few of them also probably thought they would get more game time after a change in management, however once a 2nd management team comes in and your situation doesn't change, the writing is probably on the wall.

    Ronan O Neill didn't make the 26 man panel for AI final.
    Lee Brennan's last championship appearance was 2018 AI final vs Dublin.
    Mark Bradley came on in 76th min in Ai semi vs Kerry and didn't get on in the final.
    Tiernan McCann got 14mins between the Semi final & Final.
    HP McGeary barely got a kick all year.
    Rory Brennan hasn't played since the Ulster Final last year.

    No argument with any of that but it essentially means you are left with a core 15-18 of starters/first subs and then 10-12 rookies making up the remainder of the squad trying to break into that 15-18. Our bench this year is certainly the weaker for it and that ultimately will be the difference in big games later in the year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 10, 2022, 11:18:18 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on March 10, 2022, 08:30:44 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 09, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
    Surely with split season they are missing out on very little anyway
    Except 4 starred games if Tyrone get to AI semi final

    Go read Ronan O'Neill's interview in the Irish News from the time he quit.

    Missing 4 league games is probably the least of these guys worries, their used to missing club action year after year. Missing family members/best mates stags, weddings and numerous other events to train 5/6 nights a week when not even making match day panels is borderline lunacy. It can also lead to young fella's being in a bad head space. Easy for us to say 'why would he quit, loads of fella's would love to play for their county.' County football is a full time lifestyle, why give that much effort into something if you aren't getting any game time at all or its effecting your life negatively?

    Your 20's are probably the best years of your lives, you wouldn't want to look back and say you gave them up for a few McKenna cup games & to be used for in-house games. That's alright for a few years when you are first breaking on, but there has to be a point where you have to make the decision. A few of them also probably thought they would get more game time after a change in management, however once a 2nd management team comes in and your situation doesn't change, the writing is probably on the wall.

    Ronan O Neill didn't make the 26 man panel for AI final.
    Lee Brennan's last championship appearance was 2018 AI final vs Dublin.
    Mark Bradley came on in 76th min in Ai semi vs Kerry and didn't get on in the final.
    Tiernan McCann got 14mins between the Semi final & Final.
    HP McGeary barely got a kick all year.
    Rory Brennan hasn't played since the Ulster Final last year.

    Good post Toby47

    Very hard to argue with any of that. The reality is that club football is going this way also. The fringe players who are caught in middle getting limited football for their senior set up but withheld from reserve games end up getting frustrated and as a result don't hang about. Not every club has this issue but it becoming a more common issue.
    GAA at the top level (at club or county level) takes over your life and a lot of young lads in their early 20's have missed out on a lot (travel, socialising etc) in the last few years. Commitment going forward may be an issue unless you are guaranteed a starting slot in your respective team 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on March 10, 2022, 11:43:00 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 10, 2022, 11:18:18 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on March 10, 2022, 08:30:44 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 09, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
    Surely with split season they are missing out on very little anyway
    Except 4 starred games if Tyrone get to AI semi final

    Go read Ronan O'Neill's interview in the Irish News from the time he quit.

    Missing 4 league games is probably the least of these guys worries, their used to missing club action year after year. Missing family members/best mates stags, weddings and numerous other events to train 5/6 nights a week when not even making match day panels is borderline lunacy. It can also lead to young fella's being in a bad head space. Easy for us to say 'why would he quit, loads of fella's would love to play for their county.' County football is a full time lifestyle, why give that much effort into something if you aren't getting any game time at all or its effecting your life negatively?

    Your 20's are probably the best years of your lives, you wouldn't want to look back and say you gave them up for a few McKenna cup games & to be used for in-house games. That's alright for a few years when you are first breaking on, but there has to be a point where you have to make the decision. A few of them also probably thought they would get more game time after a change in management, however once a 2nd management team comes in and your situation doesn't change, the writing is probably on the wall.

    Ronan O Neill didn't make the 26 man panel for AI final.
    Lee Brennan's last championship appearance was 2018 AI final vs Dublin.
    Mark Bradley came on in 76th min in Ai semi vs Kerry and didn't get on in the final.
    Tiernan McCann got 14mins between the Semi final & Final.
    HP McGeary barely got a kick all year.
    Rory Brennan hasn't played since the Ulster Final last year.

    Good post Toby47

    Very hard to argue with any of that. The reality is that club football is going this way also. The fringe players who are caught in middle getting limited football for their senior set up but withheld from reserve games end up getting frustrated and as a result don't hang about. Not every club has this issue but it becoming a more common issue.
    GAA at the top level (at club or county level) takes over your life and a lot of young lads in their early 20's have missed out on a lot (travel, socialising etc) in the last few years. Commitment going forward may be an issue unless you are guaranteed a starting slot in your respective team
    Anything to be said for having senior games before reserve games? Obviously with games on a Friday night this has its own diificulties as well as the issue with a lot of spectators may leave after a senior game. Maybe one for the club page
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 12, 2022, 10:42:35 AM
    Would have liked to see some of then boys stick around. Though Sludden and Kilpatrick saw little league time last year and ended up being absolutely crucial.

    But, can't blame them, be interested to see if anyone steps up. Nathan Donnelly getting a lot of game time, hasn't massively stood out, bad or good for me, looks solid at the very least.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 13, 2022, 03:00:07 PM
    Just mcnamee and Donnelly missing from a full strength Tyrone side? Interesting to see how Nathan donnelly and Munroe get on. Hopefully McShane delivers today
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Trap on March 13, 2022, 04:14:12 PM
    It's all gone pee tong!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 13, 2022, 04:34:10 PM
    Dire

    Worse than Killarney
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 13, 2022, 07:33:59 PM
    Tyrone have some serious work to do now. Would it be with while accepting relegation and instead train towards the championship. At the minute fermanagh won't fear tyrone and I would wager at this minute I time Derry would beat them
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 13, 2022, 07:49:22 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 13, 2022, 04:34:10 PM
    Dire

    Worse than Killarney

    Let's not get carried away -- 6 goals against in Killarney FFS, though it could be 7 in two weeks' time at this rate!  ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 13, 2022, 08:03:30 PM
    Miles off all over the pitch. Half forward and half back line struggling to give the team a platform. Canavan is a magic player tho
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 13, 2022, 08:13:32 PM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 13, 2022, 07:49:22 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 13, 2022, 04:34:10 PM
    Dire

    Worse than Killarney

    Let's not get carried away -- 6 goals against in Killarney FFS, though it could be 7 in two weeks' time at this rate!  ;)

    Some of those goals were fortunate enough. Today was a shambles fromm start to finish
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 13, 2022, 09:35:05 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 13, 2022, 08:03:30 PM
    Miles off all over the pitch. Half forward and half back line struggling to give the team a platform. Canavan is a magic player tho

    Once McCurry is bottled up then it's a struggle up front. McShane still not at the races at all yet. McGeary again was poor. I take it he was hooked at half time as opposed to an injury.

    A big game on Saturday v Mayo just became bigger after today.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 13, 2022, 10:01:14 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 13, 2022, 09:35:05 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 13, 2022, 08:03:30 PM
    Miles off all over the pitch. Half forward and half back line struggling to give the team a platform. Canavan is a magic player tho

    Once McCurry is bottled up then it's a struggle up front. McShane still not at the races at all yet. McGeary again was poor. I take it he was hooked at half time as opposed to an injury.

    A big game on Saturday v Mayo just became bigger after today.

    Agree. McCurry was trying his best but once he is covered tyrone struggle. Too many if the senior players seem to think  they are still on holiday. Disappointing as tyrone should have learnt from the last 3 AI wins, at the minute it seems like history is going to repeat itself.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on March 13, 2022, 10:15:49 PM
    haven't been to bothered you until today, no game management against a big breeze, v naive. Any word on M Donnelly, heard he has a few injury concerns but could be rumours, his leadership was missed.
    FF line is a big concern, mccurry has been very easy marked, and mcshane, from watching all the games and been at 2, he is blessed with athleticism (the catch today was class) i genuinely don't think he knows what to do half time his decision making is shocking and a big concern if he's starting and mckenna needs to figure out what he wants to do, he is a mile off as well as conroy, sheilds and any other forward backup - we have been toothless.

    Think meyler, caravan and Kilpatrick have been excellent so far and have kicked on - Tyrone will be v hard to beat on dry hard ground in the summer but we are light on impact off the bench, there is 6-8 lads need big improvements immediately or we will sleep walk into another hammering in the next two weeks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 13, 2022, 10:43:10 PM
    We'll know in a few weeks time if this is a hunger problem or if the management have tailored them for a Championship peak.

    There have been some good signs...against Monaghan, first half against Donegal, second halves v Dubs and Armagh. Just not sustained.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 14, 2022, 06:43:37 AM
    I certainly worry about hunger, certainly didn't see much of it or urgency yesterday, bar Canavan. Could be gone in a few after winning an AI. Players leaving panel also takes stuffing out of others.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on March 14, 2022, 08:03:08 AM
    Brutal first half and a very poor league so far. But wouldn't be hitting the panic button just yet. To be fair to the management team they timed the run perfectly last year. So I think we have to put some trust in them that it's a few months down the line the real focus is on. I'd have been as harsh as anyone on them last year after Killarney but look at what happened after that.

    I don't think anyone wants to get relegated though and we are in a very difficult place. You'd like to see some sort of reaction next week because in league terms it is must win. Really don't want to be heading to Killarney relying on two points.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 14, 2022, 08:14:31 AM
    Kerry may well be qualified for a league final by the time that game comes in Killarney though Jack O'Connor will probably look to twist the knife if he can relegate Tyrone in that match.

    Our first 15 is obviously a match for anyone but so many times last season it was our bench that swung the big games. This year we don't have that luxury and I think that is my main concern at the minute.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on March 14, 2022, 08:45:21 AM
    We lack an out and out scoring forward- mccurry is the next best thing but last year we relied on a number of different boys to kick 2 or 3 points. Hopefully we are set up come championship time
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on March 14, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
    I think we need Canavan closer to goals to offer more of a scoring threat, hes always too far out the field when he gets the ball to have an impact on the score board.

    Also, he should be hitting frees.  Cathal McShane is not near a free taker, not at all.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on March 14, 2022, 09:22:07 AM
    Yesterday was a shit show from start to finish.

    At the beginning of the league it was understandable that we would take a while to get up to speed given the later start for the players.

    But yesterday showed we are completely disjointed.

    The dive for the red card was completely embarassing but why give the referee the chance to send you off? Stupid in the extreme.

    McKernan could have had a red shortly after for that punch - again stupid.

    I have a lot of time for McShane but he is going through a very bad patch of form.

    Morgan had a number of brain farts yesterday but he is still one of the best in the country.

    We need to play McCurry & Canavan up top and get them to stay up top - when they are playing further out the field we have no targets in the scoring zone that can show for and win the ball.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2022, 09:24:31 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on March 14, 2022, 08:45:21 AM
    We lack an out and out scoring forward- mccurry is the next best thing but last year we relied on a number of different boys to kick 2 or 3 points. Hopefully we are set up come championship time

    If McCurry isn't been double or triple marked he can without doubt be a out and out scoring forward. But we need men around him to step up and give us more options.
    McShane takes time to get into his best form. I don't think we have an option other than to persevere. We need him at full throttle in the summer. And when he's on form, he can be unmarkable. He's the difference in winning an AI or not imo.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JimStynes on March 14, 2022, 03:15:47 PM
    Some comedown for McKenna now that the pro lifestyle has well and truly gone. He must surely miss the good weather and not having to do anything else but train each day. Now he's running about in baltic weather midweek and sitting on the sub bench at weekends. Hopefully he gets his hunger back as he is a player I love to watch.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on March 14, 2022, 03:41:11 PM
    We need to play McCurry & Canavan up top and get them to stay up top - when they are playing further out the field we have no targets in the scoring zone that can show for and win the ball.
    Best point of the lot there.  I think it is the starting point is keeping the lads inside and trying to show a threat at that end of the field.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on March 14, 2022, 11:09:02 PM
    Canavan isn't really a finisher though- he's better out from the goal creating attacks and spraying balls into the inside men.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 15, 2022, 09:25:24 AM
    With the forwards so badly out of form, as well as 3 experienced heads dropping off the panel (RON, Bradley & Lee Brennan)
    .....I wonder would the management be tempted to have a chat with McAliskey?
    Id certainly be happier to see him spring from the bench rather than some of the inexperienced forward options we currently have.
    He did leave on good terms, and wouldnt miss much football with Clonoe the way the season is set up from here on
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 15, 2022, 09:51:08 AM
    What sort of time player is conroy? T McCann and mark Bradley are the 2 names that jump out that would help. In form Michael Cassidy has plenty to offer as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneOnlooker on March 15, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 15, 2022, 09:51:08 AM
    What sort of time player is conroy? T McCann and mark Bradley are the 2 names that jump out that would help. In form Michael Cassidy has plenty to offer as well

    Of the guys that left, I think T McCann, Cassidy and Bradley could offer something from the bench. They obviously weren't happy to fulfill that role though. Wouldn't be asking McAliskey back, a great servant but not sure he'd offer anything more at this stage than the likes of Donaghy or Conroy. On Conroy, he certainly looks handy at club level. Whether that can be transferred to county level remains to be seen but he deserves a chance.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 15, 2022, 10:40:37 AM
    I thought there were some encouraging signs in the second half on Sunday. It has been a poor league campaign but it was obvious from the start that we were coming into it from a different place and noticeably behind with preparation compared to a few other sides. Whether or not that's the right call time will tell, but management are in credit and it's their decision.

    I did think we were showing some progress but the second half against Donegal was hopeless, then on Sunday we were blown out of the water first half. Dublin with their line up and approach had clearly targeted this as the game when they were going to take their own league campaign up a few notches - and I'd say they used the fact they were going to the AI champions as motivation that they really needed given their season so far. Tyrone didn't cope with the situation at all. When Hampsey went off it looked extremely bleak but several men then did stand up and winning the second half by four points offered encouragement. We must build on that in the remaining two league games.

    I'd keep Canavan further out, he is a creator more than a finisher at this stage. Indeed, the only slight concern I have is the number of chances he has missed. And I'd give McKenna the next two games too, he looked busy when he came on. Ideally I'd like to have used this league to find out how best to deploy McKenna, McShane and Canavan. Those were the three from last summer who contributed but we knew were capable of more. Solve that and the whole team goes up another level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Kidder81 on March 15, 2022, 04:29:41 PM
    See McCurry putting the boot into the players that left the Tyrone panel

    Did he not walk away himself in 2018 ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on March 15, 2022, 06:12:15 PM
    Where is the interview ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 15, 2022, 07:18:04 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on March 15, 2022, 06:12:15 PM
    Where is the interview ?

    It's on the BBC iplayer
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 15, 2022, 07:19:24 PM
    Quote from: Kidder81 on March 15, 2022, 04:29:41 PM
    See McCurry putting the boot into the players that left the Tyrone panel

    Did he not walk away himself in 2018 ?

    Didn't think he stuck the boot in at all. It was 1 line in a 40 minute interview. He did seem to stick the boot into mickey harte but he only said what everyone knew was wrong.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on March 16, 2022, 07:31:04 AM
    From what I know those players that had made the decision to leave the panel did so for a variety of reasons - some departures may have been a managerial decision but many did so because it was the right thing to do from their perspective.

    I think the remaining group off players is very strong - would have no complaints about any position or player...way outside my pay grade to select a senior panel for the county.

    Also see that success for some of this lads might be hard to carry into a year as all ireland champions...they went from zero to hero in the space of 8 months or so...the 2003 team had a bunch of medals and trophies at the point of their first senior all ireland.

    That is bound to be a complete head melt for most of the people on here never mind the men on the senior team...unless some of the men on here are on the seni....no...no....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 16, 2022, 08:26:25 AM
    Quote"It was tough and bit surprising (when the six players left). When you are trying to do something which a Tyrone team has not before before - winning back-to-back All-Irelands.

    "I just feel it was maybe an easy decision for some of them happy to walk away where maybe they're think more about themselves than the Tyrone team and the people of Tyrone."

    This is what he said in the interview. As said above men left for a variety of reasons and easy for McCurry to say what he did as he is playing regularly. Though in the same interviw he said he was going to walk away if Harte was to remain as manager in 2021 so I'd probably take the 'dig' at former players with a pinch of salt really.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on March 16, 2022, 05:35:42 PM
    Not a great interview especially given he walked away
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 17, 2022, 08:02:44 PM
    Can't have a dig when he done the same a few years bck, not understanding why current players walked away does not make sense.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on March 18, 2022, 10:18:19 AM
    Whats the story with the new Jerseys I'm a bit confused I thought they where already updated for new sponsor? Maybe they weren't on sale?

    Really like the new style and always hoped they would return to that style of badge but if they went back to the even older one that would be class
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on March 18, 2022, 11:51:59 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on March 18, 2022, 10:18:19 AM
    Whats the story with the new Jerseys I'm a bit confused I thought they where already updated for new sponsor? Maybe they weren't on sale?

    Really like the new style and always hoped they would return to that style of badge but if they went back to the even older one that would be class

    There's a one off jersey as it's 30 years of Alianz national league, don't know if it's just Tyrone. I'd buy it.

    Still have Powerscreen sponsored jersey(long sleeve).

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on March 18, 2022, 08:31:26 PM
    Quote from: sensethetone on March 18, 2022, 11:51:59 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on March 18, 2022, 10:18:19 AM
    Whats the story with the new Jerseys I'm a bit confused I thought they where already updated for new sponsor? Maybe they weren't on sale?

    Really like the new style and always hoped they would return to that style of badge but if they went back to the even older one that would be class

    There's a one off jersey as it's 30 years of Alianz national league, don't know if it's just Tyrone. I'd buy it.

    Still have Powerscreen sponsored jersey(long sleeve).

    Does she still fit? ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 19, 2022, 10:44:46 AM
    I don't know why they have never brought back the hoop on the sleeve. The 2003 jersey is probably my favourite with some decent ones like 2008 or the 2010 one. Sponsors have been responsible for destroying a few jerseys *cough* HunkyDoreys *cough*
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 19, 2022, 04:52:44 PM
    Big game today. No major changes to the starting 15 announced. The experiment of Kieran McGerary at 12 hasn't worked, he has been shite. Good to see big Kennedy back in the middle hopefully he can add some steal. Questions around Nathan Donnelly as well who starts again, he has got a lot of game time this league campaign without having any major moments. Roman McNamee back on the bench again hopefully he's a late change into the 15.

    Praying for a Tyrone win...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on March 19, 2022, 05:40:09 PM
    What is going on with Conor McKenna? Not on squad today by all accounts, he got his all Ireland. Doesn't seem interested and going by previous interviews he won't let it rule his life. A shame if packing it in already
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on March 19, 2022, 06:14:40 PM
    Some dung talked on here. Rory Brennan was retired during the week and he's playing the day  ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 19, 2022, 06:58:01 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on March 19, 2022, 06:14:40 PM
    Some dung talked on here. Rory Brennan was retired during the week and he's playing the day  ;D

    Playing well to boot. Thought he was unfortunate not to get much game time last year. Doesn't do much wrong
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 19, 2022, 07:15:53 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on March 19, 2022, 05:40:09 PM
    What is going on with Conor McKenna? Not on squad today by all accounts, he got his all Ireland. Doesn't seem interested and going by previous interviews he won't let it rule his life. A shame if packing it in already

    Can't see mckenna sticking it last the year if he lasts that long.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 19, 2022, 07:24:13 PM
    Does Maurice know the advantage rule?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 19, 2022, 07:31:44 PM
    Shocker at the end when Tyrone were clean through
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on March 19, 2022, 07:38:15 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on March 18, 2022, 08:31:26 PM
    Quote from: sensethetone on March 18, 2022, 11:51:59 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on March 18, 2022, 10:18:19 AM
    Whats the story with the new Jerseys I'm a bit confused I thought they where already updated for new sponsor? Maybe they weren't on sale?

    Really like the new style and always hoped they would return to that style of badge but if they went back to the even older one that would be class

    There's a one off jersey as it's 30 years of Alianz national league, don't know if it's just Tyrone. I'd buy it.

    Still have Powerscreen sponsored jersey(long sleeve).

    Does she still fit? ;)
    Yes and it's medium..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 19, 2022, 08:09:39 PM
    How would we like to win tomorrow now? Donegal and monaghan?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 19, 2022, 08:21:45 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 19, 2022, 07:15:53 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on March 19, 2022, 05:40:09 PM
    What is going on with Conor McKenna? Not on squad today by all accounts, he got his all Ireland. Doesn't seem interested and going by previous interviews he won't let it rule his life. A shame if packing it in already

    Can't see mckenna sticking it last the year if he lasts that long.


    Genuine question, was he at Cheltenham during the week? The man's heart is in horse racing.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 19, 2022, 09:14:14 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on March 19, 2022, 05:40:09 PM
    What is going on with Conor McKenna? Not on squad today by all accounts, he got his all Ireland. Doesn't seem interested and going by previous interviews he won't let it rule his life. A shame if packing it in already

    Away on his brothers stag do, at Cheltenham
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 19, 2022, 09:23:41 PM
    Forgetting about Tyrones current position it's great to hear players getting away to the likes of this.  Hearing too many stories of boys missing events with little reward
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on March 19, 2022, 09:34:04 PM
    Did ronan o Neill not have to miss is own brothers wedding? Mc kenna seems to be a law into himself. Don't know why? He was poor last year and awful this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 19, 2022, 09:39:13 PM
    Could be gone sooner rather than later.  Pity but when other guys are giving 100% commitment I know what I'd rather have
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 19, 2022, 09:46:02 PM
    Would definitely want a fit McKenna this summer. He played a crucial role in big games last year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on March 19, 2022, 09:47:28 PM
    Quote from: Moonshine on March 19, 2022, 09:34:04 PM
    Did ronan o Neill not have to miss is own brothers wedding? Mc kenna seems to be a law into himself. Don't know why? He was poor last year and awful this year.

    I must have missed the Kerry game in which McKenna scored 2 goals but yes he has been poor this year.

    Ronan O'Neill was told to go his brothers wedding by the management.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 19, 2022, 09:56:43 PM
    I don't think players should be expected to be missing out on every event. Going to a brother's wedding or stag do should not be being called into question. Players deserve a bit of leeway especially after the last two years.

    Ronan O'Neill, according to O'Neill, was told to go to the wedding and was told it wouldn't be held against him. It's hard for the boys who aren't that far away and have a lot of players competing for the same position. McKenna, by his own admission, wasn't at his best last year. He hasn't got much game time this year so far and has looked almost over eager when he has. Yet, he still was key to Tyrone winning the All-Ireland, coming up with some big moments. Bit early to be writing off his inter-county career.



    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on March 20, 2022, 07:45:16 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 19, 2022, 09:47:28 PM
    Quote from: Moonshine on March 19, 2022, 09:34:04 PM
    Did ronan o Neill not have to miss is own brothers wedding? Mc kenna seems to be a law into himself. Don't know why? He was poor last year and awful this year.

    I must have missed the Kerry game in which McKenna scored 2 goals but yes he has been poor this year.

    Ronan O'Neill was told to go his brothers wedding by the management.

    Yes he was fit to go to both. Only missed part of the training season and missed a few hours of the wedding to be at training.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on March 20, 2022, 10:51:13 AM
    Couple of quick takes...

    Peter Harte was sensational last night.. defending top notch, tackling fantastic and his chip up/dummy score was pure class.

    Watched game back last night, big Kennedy had a fine first half. Surprised to see him as he was obv limping last week at the Dub game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 20, 2022, 11:18:16 AM
    Getting a bit complicated here but if kildare win today they go level with Tyrone.  That leaves either monaghan or dublin playing off on the last day to see who can leap frog Tyrone while the other will be relegated.  Provided kildare don't beat mayo do Tyrone stay up on head to head v kildare and the loser of dub/Mon is relegated also.  I am assuming dublin beat donegal today too
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 20, 2022, 11:23:43 AM
    If monaghan and dublin win today monaghan leap frog us and kildare can only finish level with us if they win their last game v mayo.  The dubs would have to beat a nothing to play for monaghan on the last day.  If kildare don't win their last game we are down on head to head v donegal
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 20, 2022, 11:26:29 AM
    I haven't taken draws into consideration above and also assumed its head to head rather than score difference that separates two teams.  Could be wrong but if above is correct I think a kildare win today would be the ticket
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on March 20, 2022, 11:44:18 AM
    Definitely need one more point to ensure safety.  That Ballybofey loss is/was crucial. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 20, 2022, 12:25:46 PM
    Head to head is taken into account if two teams finish on the same points or score difference if more than 2 finish level.

    I can't see Kildare getting another win so they'll be gone. I think Dublin will win their last 2 games if they play like they did last weekend. If those results happens we'll need something in Kerry as Monaghan will go to 6 points if they win today and Dublin will be on 6 points if they get the two wins.

    Big win last night. Good first half and hanging on a bit at times in the 2nd half. Harte, Meyler, Canavan and Burns the pick of them for me. Encouraging show from Mattie Donnelly as well.  The form of McGeary, McShane and I'd add Hampsey to that as well is concerning. McShane may have to make do with an impact sub role again this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on March 20, 2022, 12:26:34 PM
    I think we will be fine. There are a few games between the 3 teams below us still to be played, so some if not all of them will drop points. I can't see Kildare getting a result against Mayo either.

    We will know better by this evening.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 20, 2022, 12:41:31 PM
    Kildare to win today will leave the dubs or Mon going down along with kildare.  Provided kildare don't beat mayo in the last game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on March 20, 2022, 02:26:57 PM
    Hopefully results go our way! Said it leaving Healy Park after the Monaghan game. McQuillan's decision to disallow Donaghy's point near the end could prove costly.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 20, 2022, 03:58:08 PM
    There goes my prediction of Kildare not winning another game!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: KickPass on March 20, 2022, 07:36:19 PM
    So does it come down to score diff or head to head result?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 20, 2022, 07:44:21 PM
    Head to head if two teams tied, score difference if three or more teams
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 20, 2022, 10:53:40 PM
    I think we'll be depending on Donegal beating Armagh.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 20, 2022, 10:56:22 PM
    Yip, think so.  One thing in our favour is I can't see armagh going hell for leather to win it.  At the same time it would take a tough set of results for donegal to go down so not sure what they're thinking
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 20, 2022, 11:04:55 PM
    And they'll meet each other in less than a month in the SFC. Hard to know how they'll approach this.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on March 21, 2022, 06:54:30 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on March 20, 2022, 12:26:34 PM
    I think we will be fine. There are a few games between the 3 teams below us still to be played, so some if not all of them will drop points. I can't see Kildare getting a result against Mayo either.

    We will know better by this evening.

    Yeaaaaa we aren't going to be fine after yesterday's results.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:00:48 AM
    Hearing the U20's could be under serious pressure next week. Are a few key forwards out injured and not available which will have a massive impact on the result.

    Bad luck for the management if this is the case, you need a full deck to play with to give the championship a rattle at this level

    Anyone on here close to the set up or know what is going on? Very quiet considering the championship is only 7 days away.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on March 25, 2022, 01:35:53 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:00:48 AM
    Hearing the U20's could be under serious pressure next week. Are a few key forwards out injured and not available which will have a massive impact on the result.

    Bad luck for the management if this is the case, you need a full deck to play with to give the championship a rattle at this level

    Anyone on here close to the set up or know what is going on? Very quiet considering the championship is only 7 days away.

    Paul Devlin has gone full paranoid apparently after last years disaster

    you'll note that the squad list hasn't been released unlike previous years as he thinks it'll give too much away to opponents
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 25, 2022, 01:49:41 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2022, 01:35:53 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:00:48 AM
    Hearing the U20's could be under serious pressure next week. Are a few key forwards out injured and not available which will have a massive impact on the result.

    Bad luck for the management if this is the case, you need a full deck to play with to give the championship a rattle at this level

    Anyone on here close to the set up or know what is going on? Very quiet considering the championship is only 7 days away.

    Paul Devlin has gone full paranoid apparently after last years disaster

    you'll note that the squad list hasn't been released unlike previous years as he thinks it'll give too much away to opponents

    Bit of a reality check in the Leo Murphy (?) final against Donegal.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on March 25, 2022, 01:50:57 PM
    whether they are missing a few forwards or not they should be beating Fermanagh. In saying that last year was a disaster, being beat by donegal who then lost to monaghan who also didn't win ulster
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 02:11:53 PM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on March 25, 2022, 01:50:57 PM
    whether they are missing a few forwards or not they should be beating Fermanagh. In saying that last year was a disaster, being beat by donegal who then lost to monaghan who also didn't win ulster

    Fermanagh or Down?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on March 25, 2022, 04:42:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 25, 2022, 01:49:41 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2022, 01:35:53 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:00:48 AM
    Hearing the U20's could be under serious pressure next week. Are a few key forwards out injured and not available which will have a massive impact on the result.

    Bad luck for the management if this is the case, you need a full deck to play with to give the championship a rattle at this level

    Anyone on here close to the set up or know what is going on? Very quiet considering the championship is only 7 days away.

    Paul Devlin has gone full paranoid apparently after last years disaster

    you'll note that the squad list hasn't been released unlike previous years as he thinks it'll give too much away to opponents

    Bit of a reality check in the Leo Murphy (?) final against Donegal.
    Ulster title the minimum that should be expected from this years panel. Devlin under massive pressure after underachieving massively with the last 4 years teams.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: FermGael on March 25, 2022, 09:37:15 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    I believe he lives in Fermanagh
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 26, 2022, 08:50:12 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?

    That explains it. Thanks lads
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on March 26, 2022, 09:10:27 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2022, 09:10:27 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 10:16:27 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 26, 2022, 10:10:21 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2022, 09:10:27 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on March 27, 2022, 09:42:08 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 10:16:27 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 26, 2022, 10:10:21 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2022, 09:10:27 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on March 27, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 27, 2022, 09:42:08 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 10:16:27 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 26, 2022, 10:10:21 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2022, 09:10:27 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    The rule is that you play for the county your club plays in. I understand it quite well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Nanderson on March 27, 2022, 10:39:47 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 27, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 27, 2022, 09:42:08 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 10:16:27 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 26, 2022, 10:10:21 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2022, 09:10:27 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    The rule is that you play for the county your club plays in. I understand it quite well.
    Playing Restrictions (County and Province)
    (a) In general, a player may only play for the County of his
    Own Club and its Province.
    (b) (i) A player who transfers to a Club of a County
    other than his First County shall have an option to
    play for either his First County and Province, by
    declaration, or the County of his Own Club and
    Province
    Assuming his first club was based in Fermanagh he has the option to choose either as his county team
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on March 27, 2022, 10:52:25 AM
    The game today isn't being televised- joke.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on March 27, 2022, 10:54:37 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 27, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 27, 2022, 09:42:08 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 10:16:27 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 26, 2022, 10:10:21 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2022, 09:10:27 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    The rule is that you play for the county your club plays in. I understand it quite well.

    You can't read then. Read the whole rule.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on March 27, 2022, 10:56:54 AM
    Quote from: Nanderson on March 27, 2022, 10:39:47 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 27, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 27, 2022, 09:42:08 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 10:16:27 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 26, 2022, 10:10:21 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 09:47:58 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 26, 2022, 09:10:27 PM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 26, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on March 26, 2022, 08:28:55 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2022, 12:13:47 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 25, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    The rule is that you play for the county your club plays in. I understand it quite well.
    Playing Restrictions (County and Province)
    (a) In general, a player may only play for the County of his
    Own Club and its Province.
    (b) (i) A player who transfers to a Club of a County
    other than his First County shall have an option to
    play for either his First County and Province, by
    declaration, or the County of his Own Club and
    Province
    Assuming his first club was based in Fermanagh he has the option to choose either as his county team
    I was right on the rule so thanks for copying that, and yes pretty much.
    Presumably was never involved in Tyrone county set up and just continued whatever link there was to Fermanagh, underage development squads for example. If not then must've been a postcode loophole that Fermanagh were happy to take.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on March 27, 2022, 10:59:14 AM
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    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    The rule is that you play for the county your club plays in. I understand it quite well.

    You can't read then. Read the whole rule.
    So I can't read but you then tell me to go and read it again. Good one.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on March 27, 2022, 11:02:20 AM
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    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    The rule is that you play for the county your club plays in. I understand it quite well.

    You can't read then. Read the whole rule.
    So I can't read but you then tell me to go and read it again. Good one.
    Practice always helps.

    I assume you realise now you were wrong.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on March 27, 2022, 11:23:33 AM
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    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    The rule is that you play for the county your club plays in. I understand it quite well.

    You can't read then. Read the whole rule.
    So I can't read but you then tell me to go and read it again. Good one.
    Practice always helps.

    I assume you realise now you were wrong.
    I wasn't wrong. I was just pointing out your statement which was a bit stupid.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on March 27, 2022, 11:54:46 AM
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    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
    Why is Oisin Farry playing for Fermanagh u-20's?

    Who is this lad? Does he play for a Tyrone club?

    Down in the programme as being from Trillick.
    Coa end of the parish?
    Doesn't really matter. You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in.

    No, you can declare for another county to be fair to him. If you have a relevant connection.
    You're supposed to play for the county your club plays in regardless of what your postcode is. You go by your club. If you don't then it's a loophole I suppose.
    The rule book would contradict your understanding.
    I never said it can't be done.
    The you didn't understand the rule in the first place.
    The rule is that you play for the county your club plays in. I understand it quite well.

    You can't read then. Read the whole rule.
    So I can't read but you then tell me to go and read it again. Good one.
    Practice always helps.

    I assume you realise now you were wrong.
    I wasn't wrong. I was just pointing out your statement which was a bit stupid.

    ffs 😂 Stop digging.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 27, 2022, 12:37:38 PM
    Anywhere to see this game except for in Kerry?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 27, 2022, 12:45:26 PM
    Thought it would've been on gaago but no sign of it.  Not sure
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RandyDupree on March 27, 2022, 12:49:14 PM
    The precedent was set with the Adam Banks embarrassment. He should be playing for Tyrone!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on March 27, 2022, 01:16:13 PM
    Way back a number of years ago there was a period where Urney had both their midfielders playing county football, Johnny Lafferty for Tyrone and Fergal McNulty, living in the Doneyloop part of their parish, for Donegal. Was peculiar.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 27, 2022, 03:51:32 PM
    A good finish to the league in the finish up. I think we'll take some beating come the business end of the season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 27, 2022, 04:36:11 PM
    Seems like a good place to end the league and peaking nicely, maybe the prophets of doom can lay off for a while.

    On a sidenote, Kilpatrick has been pretty impressive any game I have seen, seems to be really be continuing where he left off from the final. Meyler also been impressive.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on March 27, 2022, 06:29:11 PM
    Poor enough league campaign but Tyrone got the job done and managed to stay up.

    I would be worried about the lack of new players getting game time.  From what I can recall Nathan Donnelly is the only new member of the panel to get a decent run of games and he hasn't exactly nailed on a starting place. Canavan and the Munroes got a bit more experience which is good I suppose.  Kilpatrick has come on well and is probably our player of the league.

    We haven't learned much from the league or McKenna cup and there needs to be improvement to win Ulster and/or compete for Sam.  I believe in the management and think we will get that over the next few months.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 27, 2022, 09:00:06 PM
    Another Blank from McShane whivh is worrying but great finish to league. Ticking along nicely
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on March 27, 2022, 09:04:52 PM
    No McKenna on the panel today, any word on him?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on March 27, 2022, 09:12:08 PM
    Wasn't named but did make bench wearing number 9 as replacement for Kennedy. Came on last few minutes for Canavan

    Quote from: omagh_gael on March 27, 2022, 09:04:52 PM
    No McKenna on the panel today, any word on him?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on March 27, 2022, 11:18:56 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on March 27, 2022, 09:12:08 PM
    Wasn't named but did make bench wearing number 9 as replacement for Kennedy. Came on last few minutes for Canavan

    Quote from: omagh_gael on March 27, 2022, 09:04:52 PM
    No McKenna on the panel today, any word on him?

    Ah right...missed that when listening to the radio
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 12:24:00 AM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on March 27, 2022, 09:04:52 PM
    No McKenna on the panel today, any word on him?

    Close contact
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 28, 2022, 06:14:20 AM
    Quote from: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 12:24:00 AM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on March 27, 2022, 09:04:52 PM
    No McKenna on the panel today, any word on him?

    Close contact

    He came on wearing number 9.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on March 28, 2022, 06:22:39 PM
    What's with the obsession with McKenna and mcshane on this forum? They're just 2 pieces in a team who doesn't rely on them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on March 28, 2022, 08:22:42 PM
    Mattie Donnelly hamstring injury apparently. Derry game 5 weeks from yesterday (if we beat Fermanagh of course).
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on March 29, 2022, 12:37:31 PM
    Anyone at the match? How was McShane? Listened to it on the radio and genuinely you'd be forgiven for thinking he wasn't playing, hardly mentioned at all.

    I'd still stuck with him and hope he gets plenty of scores versus Fermanagh to rebuild the confidence.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on March 29, 2022, 01:08:36 PM
    I think my concerns atm would be the discipline from the 2 Island boyos, the form of McShane and McKenna , injury to MDonn and strength of the bench.   Alot to work on,  faith  ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 29, 2022, 01:31:53 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on March 29, 2022, 12:37:31 PM
    Anyone at the match? How was McShane? Listened to it on the radio and genuinely you'd be forgiven for thinking he wasn't playing, hardly mentioned at all.

    I'd still stuck with him and hope he gets plenty of scores versus Fermanagh to rebuild the confidence.

    Quote from: Dire Ear on March 29, 2022, 01:08:36 PM
    I think my concerns atm would be the discipline from the 2 Island boyos, the form of McShane and McKenna , injury to MDonn and strength of the bench.   Alot to work on,  faith  ;)

    Please don't discuss McShane or McKenna on this board until you get permission from Tyrone11234 to do so. . .

    But I think Dire Ear has it all summed up well, there are a few issues/concerns but the last 2 games have definitely raised the optimism levels.

    I do think we'll get to a semi final minimum and then after that who knows. I didn't see any particularly outstanding team in the league that I would be fearful of meeting down the line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 29, 2022, 01:41:39 PM
    Quote from: Dire Ear on March 29, 2022, 01:08:36 PM
    I think my concerns atm would be the discipline from the 2 Island boyos, the form of McShane and McKenna , injury to MDonn and strength of the bench.   Alot to work on,  faith  ;)

    Early whispers seem to suggest Matties injury is a bad one
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneOnlooker on March 29, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 29, 2022, 01:41:39 PM
    Quote from: Dire Ear on March 29, 2022, 01:08:36 PM
    I think my concerns atm would be the discipline from the 2 Island boyos, the form of McShane and McKenna , injury to MDonn and strength of the bench.   Alot to work on,  faith  ;)

    Early whispers seem to suggest Matties injury is a bad one

    Did Matty not detach the hamstring off the bone against Derrygonnelly in 2019? If it's another injury to the same muscle it could be a long lay off.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: MC on March 29, 2022, 05:12:28 PM
    He had a few issues with it last year as well.
    Needs careful managing of it - yoga and pilates may be just as critical as S&C for him.
    5 weeks for a hamstring injury is tight - unless he came off as a precaution.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on March 29, 2022, 07:19:10 PM
    We could have seen his last game, I'd be fearing
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on March 30, 2022, 03:42:21 PM
    What's the story with Michael O'Neill?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 30, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on March 30, 2022, 03:42:21 PM
    What's the story with Michael O'Neill?

    Doing rehab program. Was back om bench for Kerry game for the fiirst time since AI final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 31, 2022, 05:53:41 PM
    Paul Donaghy quit too now according to BelTel. Hasn't convinced much since his first two or three games, but still felt he could have pushed on...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 31, 2022, 06:03:08 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on March 31, 2022, 05:53:41 PM
    Paul Donaghy quit too now according to BelTel. Hasn't convinced much since his first two or three games, but still felt he could have pushed on...

    Odd time to quit, McShane in poor form, Donnelly injured good chance he would have played v Fermanagh and then it's up to him, but maybe other reasons
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 31, 2022, 06:46:42 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on March 31, 2022, 06:03:08 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on March 31, 2022, 05:53:41 PM
    Paul Donaghy quit too now according to BelTel. Hasn't convinced much since his first two or three games, but still felt he could have pushed on...

    Odd time to quit, McShane in poor form, Donnelly injured good chance he would have played v Fermanagh and then it's up to him, but maybe other reasons

    Jesus. There has to be something fundamentally wrong here, they can't all have valid reasons. You would have imagined this is a perfect time for a forward to stake a claim.

    Any injury to McCurry and tyrone are in serious difficulties.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 31, 2022, 07:22:29 PM
    You would imagine a lot of players may be tempted at a summer in USA
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 31, 2022, 07:37:10 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 31, 2022, 06:46:42 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on March 31, 2022, 06:03:08 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on March 31, 2022, 05:53:41 PM
    Paul Donaghy quit too now according to BelTel. Hasn't convinced much since his first two or three games, but still felt he could have pushed on...

    Odd time to quit, McShane in poor form, Donnelly injured good chance he would have played v Fermanagh and then it's up to him, but maybe other reasons

    Jesus. There has to be something fundamentally wrong here, they can't all have valid reasons. You would have imagined this is a perfect time for a forward to stake a claim.

    Any injury to McCurry and tyrone are in serious difficulties.

    Sometimes the simplest answer may be the answer. It doesn't always have to be scandalous. There have been plenty of exits, some have commented on it and nobody has had any bad words to say which wasn't the case previously. Most were peripheral and not getting much game time and or pushing on age wise. Several had withdrew before.

    I think with covid as well and having been restricted in what can we do, I think boys would be slower to commit for the amount of training and no matches. A summer in America would be hard to turn down after the last two years...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 31, 2022, 07:42:23 PM
    Donaghy actually quit earlier in the year but management managed to cajole him around. He started immediately after and was given his chance. Not taken. Very disappointing, but IMHO he wasn't up to the standard, YET. The top defenders found him easy to read.
    SOS to McAliskey please management!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 31, 2022, 07:55:59 PM
    For me the issue will be the standard of the training. I remember kieran saying last year that having a strong panel with the likes of Lee brennan and sparky etc allowed the defenders to get better during the training as everyone was gunning for a starting position.

    That amount of talent walking away has to effect the training. Any suggestions on who could be brought in.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Trap on March 31, 2022, 08:16:03 PM
    If lads on the squad not getting much football were allowed to play for the clubs it would help a lot! Takes away the club v County stuff......tyrones downfall could be squad depth.....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on March 31, 2022, 08:40:24 PM
    Surely the star game system gets looked at soon
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 31, 2022, 09:29:21 PM
    Quote from: The Trap on March 31, 2022, 08:16:03 PM
    If lads on the squad not getting much football were allowed to play for the clubs it would help a lot! Takes away the club v County stuff......tyrones downfall could be squad depth.....

    Agreed. Never understood why pnael players weren't allowed to play for club. Surely it keeps players fit and sharp. Injuries can happen as much at training than at games
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 31, 2022, 09:53:47 PM
    I'd be disappointed if Donaghy has indeed quit due to lack of game time. After his explosive start he hasn't done much when he has played and I thought he got more game time than his performances merited. The management gave him a shot with Tyrone and put him in the team at times when others had a good case, I'd have hoped he'd have given them the summer at least. Perhaps however there are other reasons behind this.

    He might still kick on in the future but don't think it's a big loss to the team at this stage. The loss is in terms of depth in the panel. Of the players who walked Bradley and McCann are the ones I was really sorry to see to go, but the others certainly missed for depth and driving the starters on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 31, 2022, 10:12:48 PM
    I don't think Donaghy was county standard or if he was he needed to improve a lot on recent performances.

    With the competitiveness of our club league/championship the days of Tyrone carrying a panel of 40 and keeping everyone happy are over. There is only 26 in a match day squad, 32 players should be ample, or an arrangement that any player not selected in the 26 is eligible to play for their clubs. There are surely those who will happily remain a bit part player in a county panel, but I have respect for those guys that place more value in their clubs than tagging along with the county for the bus journeys, free gear and hotels.

    This might not be the last we see of players leaving either.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: paddyjohn on March 31, 2022, 10:21:37 PM
    Fergal Logan wearing PDs county gear whilst wishing the hurlers all the best.. waste not want not
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 31, 2022, 10:47:06 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on March 31, 2022, 10:12:48 PM
    I don't think Donaghy was county standard or if he was he needed to improve a lot on recent performances.

    With the competitiveness of our club league/championship the days of Tyrone carrying a panel of 40 and keeping everyone happy are over. There is only 26 in a match day squad, 32 players should be ample, or an arrangement that any player not selected in the 26 is eligible to play for their clubs. There are surely those who will happily remain a bit part player in a county panel, but I have respect for those guys that place more value in their clubs than tagging along with the county for the bus journeys, free gear and hotels.

    This might not be the last we see of players leaving either.

    I sincerely doubt there are any players putting in that level of time commitment for a bit of free gear or hotel stays.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on April 01, 2022, 02:04:13 AM
    Anything to be said for God Jnr Jnr being added? Good enough they are old enough etc...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on April 01, 2022, 10:25:41 AM
    Tyrone are mostly playing with two out and out forwards. That's currently McShane and McCurry.

    Darragh Canavan, Conor McKenna, Petey Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Richie Donnelly and maybe even Sludden could fill one of those roles. Be interested to see Kilpatrick tried too!  There's probably other squad players I haven't seen much of who can also play there.  I think Mattie Donnelly as an option would be a big blow as the ball just sticks to him inside and always good for scores when put inside. McShane has that in him too, but yet to get form this year, but it's early.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on April 01, 2022, 10:30:43 AM
    Is Emmet McNabb still on the panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on April 01, 2022, 10:44:21 AM
    Yes, but currently injured I think.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 01, 2022, 04:02:46 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on April 01, 2022, 02:04:13 AM
    Anything to be said for God Jnr Jnr being added? Good enough they are old enough etc...

    What is the story with under 20s. Can they play senior in same year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on April 01, 2022, 04:31:05 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 01, 2022, 04:02:46 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on April 01, 2022, 02:04:13 AM
    Anything to be said for God Jnr Jnr being added? Good enough they are old enough etc...

    As far as I understand it they can't play while the county is still in the u20 competition but are free to play when they've been beat.

    What is the story with under 20s. Can they play senior in same year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on April 01, 2022, 04:36:38 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on April 01, 2022, 04:31:05 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 01, 2022, 04:02:46 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on April 01, 2022, 02:04:13 AM
    Anything to be said for God Jnr Jnr being added? Good enough they are old enough etc...

    As far as I understand it they can't play while the county is still in the u20 competition but are free to play when they've been beat.

    What is the story with under 20s. Can they play senior in same year?

    I think they can play if are needed. The Downey & McEvoy lads have played for Derry seniors and 2 x Murdock lads for Down seniors but I think that our senior management are happy to let them concentrate on the 20's until their season is over.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 01, 2022, 05:17:32 PM
    R canavan surely in the minds of the management but next year probably time enough
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on April 01, 2022, 05:29:17 PM
    I know the argument is that players now have an AI medal and they can get there life back sort to speak but to me I don't buy it. These lads have a genuine chance to become the first tyrone team ever to win back to back AIs.

    Do they think when they are their 50s and look back they will day "ah sure I enjoyed a few years on the piss" or look back and realise they could have made history by winning back to back AIs.

    Would have thought they should gave it a final few months and see where it took them. The players have stepped away from a few months work not an entire year.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on April 01, 2022, 05:54:03 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 01, 2022, 04:02:46 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on April 01, 2022, 02:04:13 AM
    Anything to be said for God Jnr Jnr being added? Good enough they are old enough etc...

    What is the story with under 20s. Can they play senior in same year?

    You'd think counties would have enough for 26 players to play within dipping into U20's.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 01, 2022, 06:37:16 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 01, 2022, 10:25:41 AM
    Tyrone are mostly playing with two out and out forwards. That's currently McShane and McCurry.

    Darragh Canavan, Conor McKenna, Petey Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Richie Donnelly and maybe even Sludden could fill one of those roles. Be interested to see Kilpatrick tried too!  There's probably other squad players I haven't seen much of who can also play there.  I think Mattie Donnelly as an option would be a big blow as the ball just sticks to him inside and always good for scores when put inside. McShane has that in him too, but yet to get form this year, but it's early.
    Mattie injured, Bradley, O'Neill, Brennan and Donaghy away leaves Tyrone with Conroy, Nugent and an injured Emmett McNabb to come in for McKenna McShane McCurry.
    Surely they have to fall back on the U20s of Canavan, Cush, Fullerton, ODonnell and Donnelly or else call up players who stepped away last year like McAliskey, Tiernan Quinn or Daniel Kerr. Either way they need to do something to bulk up the forward options on the panel.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:42:46 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 01, 2022, 06:37:16 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 01, 2022, 10:25:41 AM
    Tyrone are mostly playing with two out and out forwards. That's currently McShane and McCurry.

    Darragh Canavan, Conor McKenna, Petey Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Richie Donnelly and maybe even Sludden could fill one of those roles. Be interested to see Kilpatrick tried too!  There's probably other squad players I haven't seen much of who can also play there.  I think Mattie Donnelly as an option would be a big blow as the ball just sticks to him inside and always good for scores when put inside. McShane has that in him too, but yet to get form this year, but it's early.
    Mattie injured, Bradley, O'Neill, Brennan and Donaghy away leaves Tyrone with Conroy, Nugent and an injured Emmett McNabb to come in for McKenna McShane McCurry.
    Surely they have to fall back on the U20s of Canavan, Cush, Fullerton, ODonnell and Donnelly or else call up players who stepped away last year like McAliskey, Tiernan Quinn or Daniel Kerr. Either way they need to do something to bulk up the forward options on the panel.

    Agreed it's a big issue.

    If we take the squad from the Kerry game at the weekend, there were no proper forwards on the sub bench except Donaghy. Our go to sub when we want to replace a forward is Liam Rafferty.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.

    Yep for sure. He hasn't played for the 20's yet due to an injury and has another year at that level too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 01, 2022, 06:58:33 PM
    How good is conroy? Him coming on v the dubs was interesting and suggested that he has been performing in training
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.

    Yep for sure. He hasn't played for the 20's yet due to an injury and has another year at that level too.

    Yeah a knee injury is keeping him out
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on April 01, 2022, 08:16:58 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.

    Yep for sure. He hasn't played for the 20's yet due to an injury and has another year at that level too.

    Yeah a knee injury is keeping him out

    Toby47, are you not at the Derry U20 game or are you one of the Shamrock fellas who is a Tyrone man? You always have very good posts on this board - a very well connected man in my opinion.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 09:14:59 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on April 01, 2022, 08:16:58 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.

    Yep for sure. He hasn't played for the 20's yet due to an injury and has another year at that level too.

    Yeah a knee injury is keeping him out

    Toby47, are you not at the Derry U20 game or are you one of the Shamrock fellas who is a Tyrone man? You always have very good posts on this board - a very well connected man in my opinion.

    Watching it in the living room this evening. And most certainly not a shamrock.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on April 02, 2022, 12:18:48 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 09:14:59 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on April 01, 2022, 08:16:58 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.

    Yep for sure. He hasn't played for the 20's yet due to an injury and has another year at that level too.

    Yeah a knee injury is keeping him out

    Toby47, are you not at the Derry U20 game or are you one of the Shamrock fellas who is a Tyrone man? You always have very good posts on this board - a very well connected man in my opinion.

    Watching it in the living room this evening. And most certainly not a shamrock.

    Did Derry struggle? Surely they should be beating Antrim with a bit to spare considering they won AI Minor title in 2020. Who starred for the Oak Leaf men?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on April 02, 2022, 05:16:07 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.

    Yep for sure. He hasn't played for the 20's yet due to an injury and has another year at that level too.

    Yeah a knee injury is keeping him out
    Seems to have recovered well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 02, 2022, 06:09:39 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 02, 2022, 05:16:07 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.

    Yep for sure. He hasn't played for the 20's yet due to an injury and has another year at that level too.

    Yeah a knee injury is keeping him out
    Seems to have recovered well.

    Any standouts in the u20s today?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on April 02, 2022, 09:01:37 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 02, 2022, 06:09:39 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 02, 2022, 05:16:07 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on April 01, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on April 01, 2022, 06:54:21 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on April 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
    Conor Cush is county standard, will be a top player but can't be rushed.

    Yep for sure. He hasn't played for the 20's yet due to an injury and has another year at that level too.

    Yeah a knee injury is keeping him out
    Seems to have recovered well.

    Any standouts in the u20s today?
    Ruari Canavan
    Conor Cush
    Ciaran Daly 
    stood out for me.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 02, 2022, 09:37:06 PM
    McHugh and McGlennan dominated around the the mid due to their sheer size. McGlennan is a funny one. Not sure to make of him he makes it look easy sometimes and at others you feel he needs a bit of urgency about him.

    Ruairi Canavan is just a class act. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a call up to the seniors once the u20 campaign is over.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
    As a Down man I was impressed with Tyrone, played well and when they got on top never looked like losing. Mcgleenon is some size (son of Matt?) Are canavan and cush sons of famous father's as well?

    What was craic with match being in loughmacrory? Nice pitch but by god it's not the easiest to get to, middle of nowhere 😂
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 02, 2022, 11:57:04 PM
    Quote from: SHEEDY on April 02, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
    As a Down man I was impressed with Tyrone, played well and when they got on top never looked like losing. Mcgleenon is some size (son of Matt?) Are canavan and cush sons of famous father's as well?

    What was craic with match being in loughmacrory? Nice pitch but by god it's not the easiest to get to, middle of nowhere 😂

    All 3 sons of famous fathers indeed.   Loughmacrory strange venue indeed... no idea why there
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on April 03, 2022, 04:16:36 PM
    And Steve Donaghy son of Plunkett too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on April 03, 2022, 04:36:20 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on April 03, 2022, 04:16:36 PM
    And Steve Donaghy son of Plunkett too.
    Is he not Colms son. Had a grt game as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on April 03, 2022, 09:26:17 PM
    Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 03, 2022, 07:18:26 PM
    Worth mentioning the Senior county hurlers, won the NHL Div 3A title yesterday defeating Armagh in the league final at Owenbeg - they've had a fair few "close but no cigar" moments to try and get promoted to Division 2B over the last few years, so it's good to see them finally get there.

    Have they not won a league over the past few years?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 07, 2022, 07:00:16 PM
    Anyone hear what the McGeary masterpiece went for at last nights Holy Trinity College Glenavon bash ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2022, 12:34:41 AM
    Logan said Mattie Donnelly might be back for Fermanagh, so doesn't appear to have been too serious, big relief to hear that. O'Neill is also apparently ready to go. Good news.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on April 08, 2022, 09:09:28 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2022, 12:34:41 AM
    Logan said Mattie Donnelly might be back for Fermanagh, so doesn't appear to have been too serious, big relief to hear that. O'Neill is also apparently ready to go. Good news.

    It does sound encouraging, although the doubting Thomas in me thinks he's being a cute hure for some reason

    If you read his actual comments, hes just acknowledged the hammy injury & confirmed MD is working hard at the rehab.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on April 08, 2022, 09:12:05 AM
    Quote from: God14 on April 08, 2022, 09:09:28 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2022, 12:34:41 AM
    Logan said Mattie Donnelly might be back for Fermanagh, so doesn't appear to have been too serious, big relief to hear that. O'Neill is also apparently ready to go. Good news.

    It does sound encouraging, although the doubting Thomas in me thinks he's being a cute hure for some reason

    If you read his actual comments, hes just acknowledged the hammy injury & confirmed MD is working hard at the rehab.
    Be doing well to see him in a trillick jersey never mind the counties. Repeat of the injury he got in 2019.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on April 08, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
    Quote from: clubman21 on April 08, 2022, 09:12:05 AM
    Quote from: God14 on April 08, 2022, 09:09:28 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2022, 12:34:41 AM
    Logan said Mattie Donnelly might be back for Fermanagh, so doesn't appear to have been too serious, big relief to hear that. O'Neill is also apparently ready to go. Good news.

    It does sound encouraging, although the doubting Thomas in me thinks he's being a cute hure for some reason

    If you read his actual comments, hes just acknowledged the hammy injury & confirmed MD is working hard at the rehab.
    Be doing well to see him in a trillick jersey never mind the counties. Repeat of the injury he got in 2019.

    Thats what i heard as well from a few different ones. I was hoping it was just a chinese whisper.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on April 08, 2022, 12:23:09 PM
    SportsJoe have up that Petey has had appendix surgery and likely won't make it next week. Will have enough to be Fermanagh but hopefully he'll be back sooner rather than later. Stepped up in league when needed, stepped up last year 🐐
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2022, 05:05:43 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on April 08, 2022, 12:23:09 PM
    SportsJoe have up that Petey has had appendix surgery and likely won't make it next week. Will have enough to be Fermanagh but hopefully he'll be back sooner rather than later. Stepped up in league when needed, stepped up last year 🐐

    I assume it might put him back a tiny bit fitness wise, but not a huge amount, but otherwise won't impact him a whole pile.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 08, 2022, 10:20:43 PM
    Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 08, 2022, 02:54:53 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2022, 12:34:41 AM
    Logan said Mattie Donnelly might be back for Fermanagh, <snip>

    Thought at first this meant he changed county allegiance!

    Plenty folk keen to point to the boys leaving the panel as proof of discontent but if Mattie declares for Fermanagh there'll be no denying it ;D.

    Great win for the U20s tonight and excellent game. Big McGleenan so like his father in build and way he carries himself. Had some great catches. Young Canavan also very good but overall a few boys there who can hopefully step up in the next wee while.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 08, 2022, 10:47:07 PM
    The 2 Canavans going to be some handful for club and county
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2022, 10:54:14 PM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 08, 2022, 10:20:43 PM
    Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 08, 2022, 02:54:53 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 08, 2022, 12:34:41 AM
    Logan said Mattie Donnelly might be back for Fermanagh, <snip>

    Thought at first this meant he changed county allegiance!

    Plenty folk keen to point to the boys leaving the panel as proof of discontent but if Mattie declares for Fermanagh there'll be no denying it ;D.

    Great win for the U20s tonight and excellent game. Big McGleenan so like his father in build and way he carries himself. Had some great catches. Young Canavan also very good but overall a few boys there who can hopefully step up in the next wee while.

    Thought the other midfielder also looked good. Devlin too looked very good at half back, seemed to have good positioning, composure, speed and a good kick passer.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on April 08, 2022, 11:19:07 PM
    I thought canavan poor enough tonight... maybe tight marked.

    Potter had some game
    Devlin was great
    Mcgleenan like his dad but only he's better
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on April 08, 2022, 11:27:08 PM
    Good win for the u20s tonight. Thought the standard of officiating was very poor. Is there any truth to the rumour that Michael Cassidy has returned to training with the Senior panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 09, 2022, 12:17:20 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on April 08, 2022, 11:19:07 PM
    I thought canavan poor enough tonight... maybe tight marked.

    Potter had some game
    Devlin was great
    Mcgleenan like his dad but only he's better
    Thought McGleenan was good in the air but horrible in possession, gave away a lot of ball. Jury still out on the goalkeeper and full back line especially under the high ball.
    Potter had a serious impact after coming on.
    McHugh has all the makings of a serious footballer. Still 2 more years after this at this level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jeremiah O on April 09, 2022, 09:15:26 AM
    That was a very entertaining game last night so it was and it's great to be back in another final so it is.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on April 09, 2022, 06:00:35 PM
    Quote from: Jeremiah O on April 09, 2022, 09:15:26 AM
    That was a very entertaining game last night so it was and it's great to be back in another final so it is.
    Are you like me and try to count the 'so's' every interview
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 10, 2022, 12:32:10 AM
    M Cassidy back?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 10, 2022, 11:37:31 AM
    Quote from: PMG1 on April 09, 2022, 06:00:35 PM
    Quote from: Jeremiah O on April 09, 2022, 09:15:26 AM
    That was a very entertaining game last night so it was and it's great to be back in another final so it is.
    Are you like me and try to count the 'so's' every interview

    Reminds me of a Baker Bradley interview so it does
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JimStynes on April 11, 2022, 08:26:59 PM
    McKenna left the panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 11, 2022, 08:58:59 PM
    Quote from: JimStynes on April 11, 2022, 08:26:59 PM
    McKenna left the panel?

    Have you heard something?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JimStynes on April 11, 2022, 09:22:51 PM
    Heard he left the panel but was convinced to come back. Then the GAA hour podcast said something about him leaving as well. He hasn't looked interested at all so I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on April 11, 2022, 10:15:02 PM
    Way things are going will tyrone even have 15 to field this weekend lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Trap on April 12, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
    Morgan
    McKernan
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    Brennan
    Burns
    Harte
    Kilpatrick
    Kennedy
    McGeary
    Sludden
    Meyler
    McCurry
    McShane
    Canavan

    Maybe Conroy for McShane

    Richie Donnelly
    Conor Mckenna
    Michael ONeill
    Liam Rafferty
    Munroes
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 12, 2022, 09:34:39 AM
    I'd expect that to be the lineup too dependent on Hartes recovery maybe Rafferty or J Munroe will come in for him. Maybe best leaving Harte for another day as I can't see us having any bother on Saturday evening. A win by at least 8 would be my verdict. Those bench options don't look the best though.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on April 12, 2022, 08:50:18 PM
    No chance Harte will be fit for Sunday, two weeks after an appendix, would be too tender
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on April 12, 2022, 09:17:33 PM
    Quote from: PMG1 on April 12, 2022, 08:50:18 PM
    No chance Harte will be fit for Sunday, two weeks after an appendix, would be too tender

    Yeah I would think he would be doubtful but is all keyhole now so recovery would be well reduced.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 12, 2022, 10:05:42 PM
    Morgan
    Mckernan
    Mcnamee
    Hampsey
    Sludden
    Munroe
    Burns
    Kilpatrick
    Kennedy
    McGeary
    McKenna
    Meyler
    Mccurry
    McShane
    Canavan

    McShane and mckenna need game time and Conroy on for game as well. Assume it's too early for m Donnelly Harte and Michael oneill
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2022, 08:14:14 AM
    There definitely is the opportunity to make 3/4 changes here and give boys a chance to nail down a spot/get valuable game time here. Makes perfect sense to start McShane and McKenna. Any of Conroy, Coleman or McNabb (if fit and still there?) could also get a run out as forward options have become light. In defence the Munroe's, Rafferty and R Brennan are all in with a shout of getting time. I'd definitely hold Harte back and give him a chance to recover. None of this is any disrespect to Fermanagh but reflective of the fact that there is the safety net of the back door and a shorter route through it this year to the quarter finals. Though even with a few changes Tyrone will be expected to win.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on April 14, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
    Ronan o'neill is in the papers taking to sky sports and Irish examiner. Have heard more from him since his retirement than when he actually played lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on April 14, 2022, 02:45:15 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on April 14, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
    Ronan o'neill is in the papers taking to sky sports and Irish examiner. Have heard more from him since his retirement than when he actually played lol

    Good to see he is playing down the various retirements and withdrawals, suggesting no serious issues in the camp. I am sure it would be very easy for the likes of Ronan O'Neill to start bitterly complaining that he deserved more chances.

    It's definitely a disappointment to see McCann and Bradley go, but no surprises there. Same with Brennan, but he wasn't getting any minutes (though whether he should have is another question). Cassidy similar, but a lot of players in his area of the pitch. Donaghy is a shame, hopefully he just goes away for this season, refocuses, gets some confidence and comes back.   
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on April 14, 2022, 02:52:28 PM
    Left with Conroy, McNabb and Nugent as backup options, one league appearance between the three. Not sure if i've missed someone else on the panel that fits into this category.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on April 14, 2022, 05:08:29 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on April 14, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
    Ronan o'neill is in the papers taking to sky sports and Irish examiner. Have heard more from him since his retirement than when he actually played lol

    Fair dues to him. He didn't talk to press when he was playing which a lot of players prefer not to do - it can sometimes bring added unnecessary pressure on players if the article has been 'doctored' to create headlines or big news. He seems like a good level headed lad
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on April 14, 2022, 09:57:47 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on April 14, 2022, 05:08:29 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on April 14, 2022, 02:36:58 PM
    Ronan o'neill is in the papers taking to sky sports and Irish examiner. Have heard more from him since his retirement than when he actually played lol

    Fair dues to him. He didn't talk to press when he was playing which a lot of players prefer not to do - it can sometimes bring added unnecessary pressure on players if the article has been 'doctored' to create headlines or big news. He seems like a good level headed lad

    By all reports he has a big future in coaching also.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on April 15, 2022, 04:25:25 AM
    He had a 2 page spread in the Independent about 5 years ago also various other articles media shy wouldnt describe him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 16, 2022, 08:56:53 PM
    Good second half performance. I suppose that first half performance was to be expected from Fermanagh but our class and fitness told. Hard to know if McKenna will get that red overturned or not but he was like the McKenna from that spell he had in 2020 when he was first back playing. I thought he was superb. McShane maybe finding a bit of form in the 2nd half though bigger tests lie ahead for him. Meyler and McCurry continuing where they left off last year. Bit worrying the form of Hampsey thought he was beaten for too easily nearly every time big McGurn took him on. Hampsey didn't have the greatest league either imo.

    I'd expect us to beat Derry. Keep McGuigan quiet or at least limit him and that's Derrys scoring threat gone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on April 16, 2022, 10:31:28 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on April 16, 2022, 08:56:53 PM
    Good second half performance. I suppose that first half performance was to be expected from Fermanagh but our class and fitness told. Hard to know if McKenna will get that red overturned or not but he was like the McKenna from that spell he had in 2020 when he was first back playing. I thought he was superb. McShane maybe finding a bit of form in the 2nd half though bigger tests lie ahead for him. Meyler and McCurry continuing where they left off last year. Bit worrying the form of Hampsey thought he was beaten for too easily nearly every time big McGurn took him on. Hampsey didn't have the greatest league either imo.

    I'd expect us to beat Derry. Keep McGuigan quiet or at least limit him and that's Derrys scoring threat gone.

    Exactly my thoughts also
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on April 16, 2022, 11:19:09 PM
    Mckenna should have got motm for that 2nd half performance. Shouldn't he?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 16, 2022, 11:57:35 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on April 16, 2022, 11:19:09 PM
    Mckenna should have got motm for that 2nd half performance. Shouldn't he?

    Had rushed things earlier in the league but was back to the player that he can be and one that has to play.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JimStynes on April 17, 2022, 11:08:47 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on April 16, 2022, 11:19:09 PM
    Mckenna should have got motm for that 2nd half performance. Shouldn't he?

    He certainly looked a lot fitter and sharper than he did early on in the league.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on April 17, 2022, 11:43:52 PM
    I've a feeling in my bones that Tyrone are gonna go very close this year. We are only getting warmed up..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on April 17, 2022, 11:48:55 PM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on April 13, 2022, 08:14:14 AM
    There definitely is the opportunity to make 3/4 changes here and give boys a chance to nail down a spot/get valuable game time here. Makes perfect sense to start McShane and McKenna. Any of Conroy, Coleman or McNabb (if fit and still there?) could also get a run out as forward options have become light. In defence the Munroe's, Rafferty and R Brennan are all in with a shout of getting time. I'd definitely hold Harte back and give him a chance to recover. None of this is any disrespect to Fermanagh but reflective of the fact that there is the safety net of the back door and a shorter route through it this year to the quarter finals. Though even with a few changes Tyrone will be expected to win.

    This was spot on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 19, 2022, 09:21:19 PM
    I'd be very surprised if McKenna didn't get his red card rescinded now that the Armagh lads have had their bans overturned.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on April 19, 2022, 09:57:11 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on April 17, 2022, 11:43:52 PM
    I've a feeling in my bones that Tyrone are gonna go very close this year. We are only getting warmed up..

    I think you're right about us only getting warmed up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 19, 2022, 10:10:50 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on April 17, 2022, 11:43:52 PM
    I've a feeling in my bones that Tyrone are gonna go very close this year. We are only getting warmed up..

    Youse are only getting warmed up ? Is that why Tyrone best youse on Saturday evening ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 22, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
    Under 20s on anywhere?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on April 22, 2022, 08:09:12 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 22, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
    Under 20s on anywhere?

    TG4?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on April 22, 2022, 08:16:19 PM
    Tight one at the start here.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 22, 2022, 08:21:31 PM
    Getting destroyed on our own kick outs.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 22, 2022, 08:34:34 PM
    Lucky really to be only a point down. I'd expect a bollocking at half time and a different Tyrone team in the 2nd half. Similar to week ago in Enniskillen. . .
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 22, 2022, 08:38:19 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on April 22, 2022, 08:09:12 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 22, 2022, 08:05:30 PM
    Under 20s on anywhere?

    TG4?

    Thanks I got I just assumed it was YouTube or app but realised just after I posted
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on April 22, 2022, 09:33:20 PM
    Ref done us no harm there.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on April 22, 2022, 09:37:56 PM
    Been very impressed with Devlin the last couple of games, looks so comfortable carrying the ball and always made the correct decision and is a very accurate kick passer.

    On Canavan, if God doesn't have any other sons, should Ruairi be referred to as the Holy Ghost? Also, seem to be churning out big burly/lanky midfielders all of a sudden.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 22, 2022, 09:47:40 PM
    Donaghy I thought was impressive as well at 5 looks comfortable on the ball. Niall Devlin very solid again tonight. Always looks for a kick pass which I like and a great block in the first half when Cavan were well on top. Canavans point from the sideline was superb.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on April 25, 2022, 03:34:43 PM
    Any word when McKenna's (rearranged) hearing is?

    Nothing would surprise me these days, this should be the most straight forward open & shut case, but hey ho
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 25, 2022, 03:59:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2022, 03:34:43 PM
    Any word when McKenna's (rearranged) hearing is?

    Nothing would surprise me these days, this should be the most straight forward open & shut case, but hey ho

    This evening
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:05:16 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on April 25, 2022, 03:59:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2022, 03:34:43 PM
    Any word when McKenna's (rearranged) hearing is?

    Nothing would surprise me these days, this should be the most straight forward open & shut case, but hey ho

    This evening
    What length was his original ban?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on April 25, 2022, 04:08:15 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:05:16 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on April 25, 2022, 03:59:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2022, 03:34:43 PM
    Any word when McKenna's (rearranged) hearing is?

    Nothing would surprise me these days, this should be the most straight forward open & shut case, but hey ho

    This evening
    What length was his original ban?

    Think its 1 game. I am certain he won't get off with it as the gaa won't want another ban to be overturned.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on April 25, 2022, 04:15:05 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on April 25, 2022, 04:08:15 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:05:16 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on April 25, 2022, 03:59:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2022, 03:34:43 PM
    Any word when McKenna's (rearranged) hearing is?

    Nothing would surprise me these days, this should be the most straight forward open & shut case, but hey ho

    This evening
    What length was his original ban?

    Think its 1 game. I am certain he won't get off with it as the gaa won't want another ban to be overturned.

    Agreed, although they lose either way.

    If they let him off it'll further highlight that the discipline system isn't fit for purpose. If they uphold the ban it will fuel the idea of a 'two tier' system which favours certain teams over others.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on April 25, 2022, 04:30:33 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on April 25, 2022, 04:08:15 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:05:16 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on April 25, 2022, 03:59:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on April 25, 2022, 03:34:43 PM
    Any word when McKenna's (rearranged) hearing is?

    Nothing would surprise me these days, this should be the most straight forward open & shut case, but hey ho

    This evening
    What length was his original ban?

    Think its 1 game. I am certain he won't get off with it as the gaa won't want another ban to be overturned.

    for sure they wont, however if they uphold the ban the road map is clear. Onwards to the appeal committee, and then onto the DRA if required.
    This highlights the issues even more, and reflects even more badly.
    I believe he will be exonorated this evening myself.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
    If the suspension is now served is there any benefit from the appeal?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on April 25, 2022, 04:46:48 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
    If the suspension is now served is there any benefit from the appeal?

    The ban would be for the Derry game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on April 25, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
    If the suspension is now served is there any benefit from the appeal?

    Wtf are you talking about. As stands he misses this weekend.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on April 26, 2022, 05:41:15 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on April 25, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
    If the suspension is now served is there any benefit from the appeal?

    Wtf are you talking about. As stands he misses this weekend.

    I don't know....
    For some reason I had it in my head he had been suspended before Fermanagh and had sat it out.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on April 26, 2022, 09:23:38 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 26, 2022, 05:41:15 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on April 25, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
    If the suspension is now served is there any benefit from the appeal?

    Wtf are you talking about. As stands he misses this weekend.

    I don't know....
    For some reason I had it in my head he had been suspended before Fermanagh and had sat it out.
    .

    U20 games being on in between is messing with your head. 2 weeks no football for you.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on April 27, 2022, 09:10:41 AM
    Fergal Logan refused to rule out Mattie Donnelly for Sunday. Peter Harte back in full training. Promising.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on April 27, 2022, 09:28:27 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 26, 2022, 05:41:15 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on April 25, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on April 25, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
    If the suspension is now served is there any benefit from the appeal?

    Wtf are you talking about. As stands he misses this weekend.

    I don't know....
    For some reason I had it in my head he had been suspended before Fermanagh and had sat it out.
    Lol did you watch the game at all?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on May 01, 2022, 09:48:03 PM
    Anyone able to make sense of what happened today then
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on May 01, 2022, 10:07:45 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on May 01, 2022, 09:48:03 PM
    Anyone able to make sense of what happened today then

    No, who knows, it could be this years version of Killarney but I wouldn't bet on it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on May 01, 2022, 10:14:37 PM
    Think it was around the 45th minute when it was the first time I heard Sludden being mentioned. He's been really poor all year and could do with a spell on the sidelines imo. Really disappointing considering he was exceptional last year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 01, 2022, 10:15:47 PM
    Just seemed to have no legs and the forward play didn't improve.. Was a strange game as it was over before it got started. Mccurry got the hunger that is clearly missing from all others at the moment and some need taken down a peg or 2
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on May 01, 2022, 10:31:27 PM
    Paul Donaghy might have done some damage. Or Tiernan shored up the breaking ball. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: seafoid on May 02, 2022, 06:15:03 AM
    I would only have general knowledge of Tyrone but they were poor in the League and a number of players left the panel. Plus they are like Tipperary. They don't do back to back.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on May 02, 2022, 07:31:49 AM
    A bad day at the office. The discipline is the main worry, which is strange as last year discipline was really good. We know the players can play. I expect a response in the next match.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on May 02, 2022, 11:39:25 AM
    I'm not sure what happened. They just didn't seem to be up for it, whereas Derry obviously were and had been lying in the long grass and everything seemed to go for them. I think it would probably have panned out differently if Kennedy hadn't let the team down.

    I don't buy the there's something wrong in the camp. None of the departures besides Donaghy were out of the blue and some of those players have been clear they were personal decisions, there is also a lot more said by current players about how they feel more trusted, in contrast to under Harte.

    It might be a blessing in disguise, better than a saunter or stumble to a QF and get caught cold there. Tyrone teams always do better when they have a point to prove and they definitely have that...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 02, 2022, 09:39:25 PM
    Program showed 40 players on Tyrone panel.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 12:14:01 AM
    Tyrone louth in qualifier and mickey to chin us?  :-\
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Trap on May 03, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
    ]
    Would Tyrone be safer losing to fermanagh, getting in a few hard weeks of training and giving it a go through qualifiers? Ulster going to be a minefield and would hate to lose to Derry!


    I can only presume you are taking the piss here? Lose to Fermanagh so we can avoid Derry?? You've gone mad 😂😂

    What you think now BennyHarp?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 02:49:28 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 02, 2022, 09:39:25 PM
    Program showed 40 players on Tyrone panel.

    Will there be another drop out now the star games are known - usually happens to alot of fringe players that are needed by their clubs
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Man Marker on May 03, 2022, 02:55:21 PM
    Quote from: The Trap on March 08, 2022, 10:36:07 PM
    Would Tyrone be safer losing to fermanagh, getting in a few hard weeks of training and giving it a go through qualifiers? Ulster going to be a minefield and would hate to lose to Derry!

    How does that feel Trap ? ;D ;D ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Trap on May 03, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
    Aw not too bad man marker. Beat by a very good team on the day! Could see it coming on both sides. Derry were always going to be very well prepared and this year has been very inconsistent from Tyrone. The Monaghan match will be of great interest to neutrals but I think Derry have a great chance for an ulster title!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Man Marker on May 03, 2022, 03:11:26 PM
    Hopefully your right. Bottom line in that Derry have to back it up. They're capable of beating Monaghan, but the mark of any team with ambitions is putting big games back to back. This is where Derry have not delivered from 2000.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 03, 2022, 04:50:41 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 02, 2022, 07:31:49 AM
    A bad day at the office. The discipline is the main worry, which is strange as last year discipline was really good. We know the players can play. I expect a response in the next match.

    Not sure we can just put that down to a bad day at the office. I would have hoped that had Kennedy not been sent off that Tyrone would have lifted their game as it went on. Ultimately that red followed by the penalty meant it was a mammoth task. However, there was a still a general lack of leadership and direction after that and Tyrone never threatened to get back into it.

    There were 3 key things to work on after last year. Get McShane firing on all cylinders as a starter, find a role where we see the best of McKenna, and also get Canavan in as playmaker. Of those three, we only made progress through the league with Canavan. Ironically, he was the only one of the three who didn't start on Sunday. On top of that, only Meyler and Kilpatrick of the breakthrough men of last season have consistently been at a high level so far this season.

    It is possible that the hammering on Sunday will focus minds and with a nice draw that Tyrone can pick up momentum and do damage as the summer unfolds. But at this stage it looks unlikely.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on May 03, 2022, 04:53:05 PM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 03, 2022, 04:50:41 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 02, 2022, 07:31:49 AM
    A bad day at the office. The discipline is the main worry, which is strange as last year discipline was really good. We know the players can play. I expect a response in the next match.

    Not sure we can just put that down to a bad day at the office. I would have hoped that had Kennedy not been sent off that Tyrone would have lifted their game as it went on. Ultimately that red followed by the penalty meant it was a mammoth task. However, there was a still a general lack of leadership and direction after that and Tyrone never threatened to get back into it.

    There were 3 key things to work on after last year. Get McShane firing on all cylinders as a starter, find a role where we see the best of McKenna, and also get Canavan in as playmaker. Of those three, we only made progress through the league with Canavan. Ironically, he was the only one of the three who didn't start on Sunday. On top of that, only Meyler and Kilpatrick of the breakthrough men of last season have consistently been at a high level so far this season.

    It is possible that the hammering on Sunday will focus minds and with a nice draw that Tyrone can pick up momentum and do damage as the summer unfolds. But at this stage it looks unlikely.
    Only one man to blame for this one, had enough chances this year to get firing. Mccurry kept his levels at the same standard if not better
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 03, 2022, 05:23:25 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on May 03, 2022, 04:53:05 PM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 03, 2022, 04:50:41 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 02, 2022, 07:31:49 AM
    A bad day at the office. The discipline is the main worry, which is strange as last year discipline was really good. We know the players can play. I expect a response in the next match.

    Not sure we can just put that down to a bad day at the office. I would have hoped that had Kennedy not been sent off that Tyrone would have lifted their game as it went on. Ultimately that red followed by the penalty meant it was a mammoth task. However, there was a still a general lack of leadership and direction after that and Tyrone never threatened to get back into it.

    There were 3 key things to work on after last year. Get McShane firing on all cylinders as a starter, find a role where we see the best of McKenna, and also get Canavan in as playmaker. Of those three, we only made progress through the league with Canavan. Ironically, he was the only one of the three who didn't start on Sunday. On top of that, only Meyler and Kilpatrick of the breakthrough men of last season have consistently been at a high level so far this season.

    It is possible that the hammering on Sunday will focus minds and with a nice draw that Tyrone can pick up momentum and do damage as the summer unfolds. But at this stage it looks unlikely.
    Only one man to blame for this one, had enough chances this year to get firing. Mccurry kept his levels at the same standard if not better

    McShane needs dropped to the bench. Had enough chances this year to prove himself and failed to do so. Keep him as an impact sub. Last year he scored vital scores coming off the bench but he never really found form since that 1 good season for tyrone a few years ago. Appreciate he was out for a long time but he just does seem to be able to be a main target man at the minute.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
    Cathal McFlashinthepan

    Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on May 04, 2022, 06:31:44 AM
    Abnyone know what Kenny Archer was referring to in his column today when he talks about unequal treatment on the team holiday and first class lounge access??
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on May 04, 2022, 10:47:51 AM
    Fake News.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on May 04, 2022, 11:13:54 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
    Cathal McFlashinthepan

    Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.
    I think this is a bit harsh. His decision making could improve. There are times when he could claim a mark but instead takes on his man and ends up losing it. He got a couple of frees for this on Sunday, soft enough I thought. In previous years he would have taken a mark for an easy score
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on May 04, 2022, 04:16:48 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 04, 2022, 11:13:54 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
    Cathal McFlashinthepan

    Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.
    I think this is a bit harsh. His decision making could improve. There are times when he could claim a mark but instead takes on his man and ends up losing it. He got a couple of frees for this on Sunday, soft enough I thought. In previous years he would have taken a mark for an easy score

    The good season he had he was the main target man (donnelly was in there too but McShane was the main target man and all he had to do was get and turn and shoot - now he has to play inside with mccurry and he has shown to date he doesnt have the mentality to do it, on key piece of play for me this year that sums him up was against Donegal when Munroe was running through and goal and lashed the ball over the bar, there was an angle behind the goals where when munroe was bombing through mccurry got out of the way, McShane ran on top of him and nearly bloodly blocked him, that at any level over minors is criminal never mind an All-Star. and the soft frees he is getting will be picked up by refs sooner or later, you can't be his size and throw yourself down - bench him and bring him on for the qualifiers
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on May 04, 2022, 04:41:23 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
    Cathal McFlashinthepan

    Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.

    Ridiculous comment. Missed the guts of 18 months with a serious injury that he's lucky he recovered from. I'm sure a few Tyrone boys know they haven't been up to standard this season but just remember the feeling these same people brought us in September. Some people have short memories and it seems they almost want the county to fail so they can have a go at players.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on May 04, 2022, 07:43:42 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on May 04, 2022, 04:16:48 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 04, 2022, 11:13:54 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
    Cathal McFlashinthepan

    Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.
    I think this is a bit harsh. His decision making could improve. There are times when he could claim a mark but instead takes on his man and ends up losing it. He got a couple of frees for this on Sunday, soft enough I thought. In previous years he would have taken a mark for an easy score

    The good season he had he was the main target man (donnelly was in there too but McShane was the main target man and all he had to do was get and turn and shoot - now he has to play inside with mccurry and he has shown to date he doesnt have the mentality to do it, on key piece of play for me this year that sums him up was against Donegal when Munroe was running through and goal and lashed the ball over the bar, there was an angle behind the goals where when munroe was bombing through mccurry got out of the way, McShane ran on top of him and nearly bloodly blocked him, that at any level over minors is criminal never mind an All-Star. and the soft frees he is getting will be picked up by refs sooner or later, you can't be his size and throw yourself down - bench him and bring him on for the qualifiers

    That's not entirely true.  Munroe was running through but there was still a defender there, McShane angle a run looking for the pass and he would have been through clean on goal but it never came and his run had taken him into Munroe's pathway.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 04, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
    This is no defense of tyrones very poor season but I wonder if the condensed season is making it even more difficult for reining champions to defend their title?

    Anyone know how long this shortened season is going on  for?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on May 04, 2022, 09:40:22 PM
    A month to prepare for the next match, a kind draw and we'll be up and running again
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on May 04, 2022, 09:46:11 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on May 04, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
    This is no defense of tyrones very poor season but I wonder if the condensed season is making it even more difficult for reining champions to defend their title?

    Anyone know how long this shortened season is going on  for?

    All Ireland finals are middle 2 weekends in July
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 04, 2022, 10:15:03 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on May 04, 2022, 09:46:11 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on May 04, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
    This is no defense of tyrones very poor season but I wonder if the condensed season is making it even more difficult for reining champions to defend their title?

    Anyone know how long this shortened season is going on  for?

    All Ireland finals are middle 2 weekends in July

    Sorry I meant is this the new normal or is the AI season going back to September
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on May 04, 2022, 10:15:12 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on May 04, 2022, 04:41:23 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
    Cathal McFlashinthepan

    Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.

    Ridiculous comment. Missed the guts of 18 months with a serious injury that he's lucky he recovered from. I'm sure a few Tyrone boys know they haven't been up to standard this season but just remember the feeling these same people brought us in September. Some people have short memories and it seems they almost want the county to fail so they can have a go at players.

    Hope I'm wrong but I think he was limited enough fpr inter county before that wonder season and is back to that. I don't think we'll ever see that type of form from him again and he shouldn't get to live off it forever.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 04, 2022, 10:45:09 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 04, 2022, 10:15:12 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on May 04, 2022, 04:41:23 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 03, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
    Cathal McFlashinthepan

    Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.

    Ridiculous comment. Missed the guts of 18 months with a serious injury that he's lucky he recovered from. I'm sure a few Tyrone boys know they haven't been up to standard this season but just remember the feeling these same people brought us in September. Some people have short memories and it seems they almost want the county to fail so they can have a go at players.

    Hope I'm wrong but I think he was limited enough fpr inter county before that wonder season and is back to that. I don't think we'll ever see that type of form from him again and he shouldn't get to live off it forever.

    I would agree to a certain extent. He needs to earn the huge package he got for staying instead of going to oz rules.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on May 05, 2022, 11:01:21 AM
    Some lads are very quick to pull the plug on players. The simple fact is that we wouldn't have won the All Ireland without McShane and less than 9 months later we want him banished from the team and are making crude comments about the "package" he got for staying. I would also say, that unless we get him firing again then we have no chance of winning the All Ireland again. I may be in the minority here but I actually thought he wasn't the worst on Sunday and at least looked like he was unsettling the Derry gameplan, which is more than most achieved. I was surprised he got hooked. The championship has come around very quickly this year and a few lads have yet to find form, this time last year we had lads wanting to get rid of Kieran McGeary and he ended up player of the year. And although i do admit we have a few lads who need to improve (and quickly), maybe this month's preparation before the qualifier isn't a bad thing - we are no further away from an All Ireland quarter final than we were last week.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 05, 2022, 11:22:58 AM
    Quote from: BennyHarp on May 05, 2022, 11:01:21 AM
    Some lads are very quick to pull the plug on players. The simple fact is that we wouldn't have won the All Ireland without McShane and less than 9 months later we want him banished from the team and are making crude comments about the "package" he got for staying. I would also say, that unless we get him firing again then we have no chance of winning the All Ireland again. I may be in the minority here but I actually thought he wasn't the worst on Sunday and at least looked like he was unsettling the Derry gameplan, which is more than most achieved. I was surprised he got hooked. The championship has come around very quickly this year and a few lads have yet to find form, this time last year we had lads wanting to get rid of Kieran McGeary and he ended up player of the year. And although i do admit we have a few lads who need to improve (and quickly), maybe this month's preparation before the qualifier isn't a bad thing - we are no further away from an All Ireland quarter final than we were last week.

    That's a fair point however he has been given a lot of chances this year without finding any kind of form. Football is a business in a certain way and he was given a right bit to stay, not saying its right or wrong but its a fact. This is where we will miss the likes of Bradley as he could have came on and attached the defence.

    I said at the start of the year tyrone will struggle if mcshane or McCurry have off days.

    Wouldnt really say mcshane improved on the last game, he got 2 soft enough frees.

    Still plenty of time to turn it around and meeting the likes of armagh in the qualifiers might be the kick up the arse that is needed.

    Ultimately if tyrone fall short this year its not a big issue after the wonderful year last year. Managment are new and need time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Man Marker on May 05, 2022, 11:59:15 AM
    As a Derry man at the game I was really surprised at Mc Shane being taken of. He had drawn frees and was one of the few forwards who was showing anything from a Tyrone perspective. Was happy he was taken off and I felt it weakened your team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on May 06, 2022, 11:34:45 PM
    100%. Can only think he was injured. Him and McCurry were holding their own.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on May 07, 2022, 11:28:46 AM
    Probably an unpopular position to take but Dooher comes across a bit like Roy Keane - an idea that goes down well enough in my house in so fast as I love Keane..as a player and a pundit.

    I just wonder if he is the kind of manager that can get under the skin of emotional and personal issues that might impact some of the players...Young Meyler found respite in counselling last year and maybe still is. How many other young lads find it easy to carry the fame and the trappings of being an all ireland winner in your mid 20s?

    What about those players on the team last year that didn't get any game time but were on the panel - weren't even included in the team picture on the day because the county board were afraid of getting fined by HQ? Did they get a medal even?

    Does the county use a sports psychologist? Looking at Brian's medal haul will only inspire you so far...then after that...?

    Im not critical of the current all ireland champions and their management team - I'm more curious about how well prepared the tyrone team of players is for the battle ahead this year and next year.

    I can't figure out why so many players would choose to leave a winning team - albeit they'll have their own reasons for doing so and maybe the management has communicated to them individually....

    Will be interesting to see how the next game goes
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 07, 2022, 06:25:18 PM
    Would say dooher is a tough love type of manager. Nothing wrong with that.

    Any word on the general feeling in the camp?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 07, 2022, 07:52:56 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on May 07, 2022, 06:25:18 PM
    Would say dooher is a tough love type of manager. Nothing wrong with that.

    Any word on the general feeling in the camp?

    Rumours are that it isn't good. Cormac Monroe and McNamee rumoured to have had a dust up Sunday night in The Moy. Crisis meeting Monday night.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 07, 2022, 07:56:00 PM
    I've heard plenty of them have been pinting away the last few weeks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on May 07, 2022, 08:02:59 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on May 07, 2022, 06:25:18 PM
    Would say dooher is a tough love type of manager. Nothing wrong with that.

    Any word on the general feeling in the camp?

    Tough love is ok if it works - whatever management style it is for now, isn't working.

    haven't heard anything from inside the camp but I would hope that they'd be all pi$$ed off to a great height after last weekend
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on May 07, 2022, 09:32:46 PM
    Was there not a major row at in house game after derry match... game abandoned.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on May 08, 2022, 07:56:47 AM
    Questioning the managerial / leadership qualities of a man who has won 5 All Irelands as a figuredhead of Tyrone Football - 2 as captain, an u21 title and senior title - one of only a few in GAA history to captain and manage teams to AI titles.


    Quote from: Stan on May 07, 2022, 11:28:46 AM
    Probably an unpopular position to take but Dooher comes across a bit like Roy Keane - an idea that goes down well enough in my house in so fast as I love Keane..as a player and a pundit.

    I just wonder if he is the kind of manager that can get under the skin of emotional and personal issues that might impact some of the players...Young Meyler found respite in counselling last year and maybe still is. How many other young lads find it easy to carry the fame and the trappings of being an all ireland winner in your mid 20s?

    What about those players on the team last year that didn't get any game time but were on the panel - weren't even included in the team picture on the day because the county board were afraid of getting fined by HQ? Did they get a medal even?

    Does the county use a sports psychologist? Looking at Brian's medal haul will only inspire you so far...then after that...?

    Im not critical of the current all ireland champions and their management team - I'm more curious about how well prepared the tyrone team of players is for the battle ahead this year and next year.

    I can't figure out why so many players would choose to leave a winning team - albeit they'll have their own reasons for doing so and maybe the management has communicated to them individually....

    Will be interesting to see how the next game goes
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on May 08, 2022, 02:40:14 PM
    Brilliant win for the u20s! A very enjoyable game I must say. Another Tyrone team in an all Ireland final so congrats to the players and management.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on May 08, 2022, 02:56:14 PM
    Would like to see canavan join up with the seniors after the final, class act
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 08, 2022, 02:58:09 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on May 08, 2022, 02:40:14 PM
    Brilliant win for the u20s! A very enjoyable game I must say. Another Tyrone team in an all Ireland final so congrats to the players and management.
    Really good performance.
    Canavan excellent as were O'Donnell, Donaghy and Rafferty. Cush and Bogue with important scores in the second half. McGleenan very good first half but went missing when Tyrone were chasing the game. Serious team all round, quality in every position, deserve to get over the line now with the All Ireland title.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on May 08, 2022, 03:03:08 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on May 08, 2022, 07:56:47 AM

    Count the medals and trophies - he was an incredible footballer and a leader, no doubt about any of that...
    Questioning his managerial ability has nothing to do with his stats as a footballer, his leadership qualities on the pitch. If he is measuring the performance levels and abilities of this team to his own stellar records then he's not a good manager or leader...that's why I make a comparison to Roy Keane...my opinion based on what i see


    Questioning the managerial / leadership qualities of a man who has won 5 All Irelands as a figuredhead of Tyrone Football - 2 as captain, an u21 title and senior title - one of only a few in GAA history to captain and manage teams to AI titles.


    Quote from: Stan on May 07, 2022, 11:28:46 AM
    Probably an unpopular position to take but Dooher comes across a bit like Roy Keane - an idea that goes down well enough in my house in so fast as I love Keane..as a player and a pundit.

    I just wonder if he is the kind of manager that can get under the skin of emotional and personal issues that might impact some of the players...Young Meyler found respite in counselling last year and maybe still is. How many other young lads find it easy to carry the fame and the trappings of being an all ireland winner in your mid 20s?

    What about those players on the team last year that didn't get any game time but were on the panel - weren't even included in the team picture on the day because the county board were afraid of getting fined by HQ? Did they get a medal even?

    Does the county use a sports psychologist? Looking at Brian's medal haul will only inspire you so far...then after that...?

    Im not critical of the current all ireland champions and their management team - I'm more curious about how well prepared the tyrone team of players is for the battle ahead this year and next year.

    I can't figure out why so many players would choose to leave a winning team - albeit they'll have their own reasons for doing so and maybe the management has communicated to them individually....

    Will be interesting to see how the next game goes
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on May 14, 2022, 07:44:15 PM
    Jesus, think it's awful early to be questioning Dooher and Logan. Out of the two championship seasons they have been in charge, they won one all-Ireland and the second season isn't even over yet. 

    They managed to pick the team up after getting humiliated in Killarney and somehow pulling things together after the covid outbreak to win our first sam since 2008 in their first year. They also led Tyrone to an u21, not something which is a regular occurrence either...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 14, 2022, 07:59:58 PM
    Tyrone brilliant today, such convincing champions. Few talented lads eligible and not on panel either. Future is bright
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 15, 2022, 10:35:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 14, 2022, 07:59:58 PM
    Tyrone brilliant today, such convincing champions. Few talented lads eligible and not on panel either. Future is bright
    Danny Fullerton and ...?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on May 15, 2022, 12:43:30 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 15, 2022, 10:35:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 14, 2022, 07:59:58 PM
    Tyrone brilliant today, such convincing champions. Few talented lads eligible and not on panel either. Future is bright
    Danny Fullerton and ...?
    Possibly Shea Quinn, Tom Grimes.
    Its all about opinions.
    Can't argue with All Ireland champions though
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on May 15, 2022, 01:18:25 PM
    Where is Fullerton?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 15, 2022, 05:23:20 PM
    Oran McGrath too
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on May 15, 2022, 09:31:55 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on May 15, 2022, 12:43:30 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 15, 2022, 10:35:07 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 14, 2022, 07:59:58 PM
    Tyrone brilliant today, such convincing champions. Few talented lads eligible and not on panel either. Future is bright
    Danny Fullerton and ...?
    Possibly Shea Quinn, Tom Grimes.
    Its all about opinions.
    Can't argue with All Ireland champions though

    Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2022, 01:18:25 PM
    Where is Fullerton?
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 15, 2022, 05:23:20 PM
    Oran McGrath too
    Conor McGillion is another
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 15, 2022, 09:52:16 PM
    Who would we potentially be looking at for the Senior call ups this year?
    Canavan will be a cert. Steve Donaghy, Niall Devlin, Ruairi McHugh, Michael McGleenan, Conor Cush and Sean O'Donnell would be who I think will be in line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on May 15, 2022, 10:02:15 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 15, 2022, 09:52:16 PM
    Who would we potentially be looking at for the Senior call ups this year?
    Canavan will be a cert. Steve Donaghy, Niall Devlin, Ruairi McHugh, Michael McGleenan, Conor Cush and Sean O'Donnell would be who I think will be in line.

    Canavan still has another year - I believe they'll let him play it.

    McHugh has another two years at U20 so too young. Cush and O'Donnell have another year each too.

    Can see Donaghy, Devlin and McGleenan getting a call though. Possibly Bogue too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on May 15, 2022, 10:30:34 PM
    Why are Fullerton and others missing?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 15, 2022, 10:45:52 PM
    What's the thoughts of mcglennon at senior county level?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on May 15, 2022, 11:03:33 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2022, 10:30:34 PM
    Why are Fullerton and others missing?
    Discussed earlier Daniel.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on May 15, 2022, 11:08:13 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 15, 2022, 10:45:52 PM
    What's the thoughts of mcglennon at senior county level?
    When he is ready he should get a chance.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on May 16, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
    Since it's a short season, I don't think there should be an issue bringing through a good few U20s, even just to give them a taste of what would be required to make the step up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on May 16, 2022, 10:52:14 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on May 15, 2022, 10:02:15 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 15, 2022, 09:52:16 PM
    Who would we potentially be looking at for the Senior call ups this year?
    Canavan will be a cert. Steve Donaghy, Niall Devlin, Ruairi McHugh, Michael McGleenan, Conor Cush and Sean O'Donnell would be who I think will be in line.

    Canavan still has another year - I believe they'll let him play it.

    McHugh has another two years at U20 so too young. Cush and O'Donnell have another year each too.

    Can see Donaghy, Devlin and McGleenan getting a call though. Possibly Bogue too.

    He can play senior this year and still hit u20s next year can he not?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on May 16, 2022, 07:29:05 PM
    McHugh has yet to play a senior match for the Fianna
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 16, 2022, 07:32:05 PM
    The fullback line one on one marking and tackling was excellent at the weekend and against Kerry. Canavan the stand out who you think can provide a bench option. Many others will for sure add to training at least
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on May 16, 2022, 08:16:39 PM
    Personally thing they should all be send back to their clubs and get a good year of senior under them. Some of them are still 7th year. Couldn't see Peter letting Ruari play this year. Its a massive step up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 16, 2022, 09:42:50 PM
    Time enough for young Canavan, has he not gt A levels to finish. If we have to turn to an 18 year old we have big problems
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on May 16, 2022, 10:48:23 PM
    I agree with the last couple of posters
    Too early in my opinion for some lads and I would be surprised if the fathers of Canavan, Cush, O'Donnell, Donaghy etc allowed their lads to step up especially as they are only 18 and available again next year.
    Donaghy, McGleenan, Daly, Corry etc are physically more advanced and a year older so possibly they could do it.
    The younger lads previously mentioned above might benefit from a good year playing club football as they will be marked men anyway and will learn more from that I would imagine.
    Let's see how they cope with club football first before we fire them into county level intensity
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2022, 10:52:16 PM
    Canavan 18yrs of Age, if the All - Ireland champions have to have to look on a young slight lad on the bench, they need to be looking at their strength in depth. Am not happy with Derry having 5/6 18/19 Yr old on our bench when their options within in the county Tyrone shouldn't need any U-20,
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on May 17, 2022, 08:50:41 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 16, 2022, 09:42:50 PM
    Time enough for young Canavan, has he not gt A levels to finish. If we have to turn to an 18 year old we have big problems

    I'm not saying he will get called in but don't fully agree with the above. He's not just any 18 year old - he's one of the most gifted 18 year old's in the country. And could be a great impact sub with 15 minutes to go in Croke Park when space starts to appear and the team need scores. There's plenty of examples in sport including in the premiership of gifted 18 year old's being fast tracked into senior set ups. If he is still doing A Levels it probably isn't an option though.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on May 17, 2022, 09:11:35 AM
    Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2022, 10:52:16 PM
    Canavan 18yrs of Age, if the All - Ireland champions have to have to look on a young slight lad on the bench, they need to be looking at their strength in depth. Am not happy with Derry having 5/6 18/19 Yr old on our bench when their options within in the county Tyrone shouldn't need any U-20,

    Clifford was in the Kerry senior panel at the same age. While comparisons with Clifford would be premature, they're not unjust given their underage performances. If it's ok for Kerry, I'd have no issue doing the same in Tyrone.
    That said, I think it would be better for him to be Stick at the club for another year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on May 17, 2022, 09:27:30 AM
    Would Darragh Canavan have played more senior games for Tyrone than Errigal? Can't be far off. Must be fairly annoying not to see the lads strut their stuff as often for the club when they'd make such a difference. Any word on Jack McCarron, they find a place for him around the half backs I'd say?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on May 17, 2022, 09:51:09 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 17, 2022, 09:11:35 AM
    Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2022, 10:52:16 PM
    Canavan 18yrs of Age, if the All - Ireland champions have to have to look on a young slight lad on the bench, they need to be looking at their strength in depth. Am not happy with Derry having 5/6 18/19 Yr old on our bench when their options within in the county Tyrone shouldn't need any U-20,

    Clifford was in the Kerry senior panel at the same age. While comparisons with Clifford would be premature, they're not unjust given their underage performances. If it's ok for Kerry, I'd have no issue doing the same in Tyrone.
    That said, I think it would be better for him to be Stick at the club for another year.

    Leave him off for another year or two - what's the panic?

    If he's left off for another year or two, it'd be more beneficial to him and Tyrone in the long run I think.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on May 17, 2022, 11:04:05 AM
    Quote from: tiempo on May 17, 2022, 09:27:30 AM
    Would Darragh Canavan have played more senior games for Tyrone than Errigal? Can't be far off. Must be fairly annoying not to see the lads strut their stuff as often for the club when they'd make such a difference. Any word on Jack McCarron, they find a place for him around the half backs I'd say?
    There was never any truth to that story. A transfer was never in the pipeline. Him living in Ballygawley with Canavan's niece is where that story came from.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 17, 2022, 11:05:54 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 17, 2022, 09:11:35 AM
    Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2022, 10:52:16 PM
    Canavan 18yrs of Age, if the All - Ireland champions have to have to look on a young slight lad on the bench, they need to be looking at their strength in depth. Am not happy with Derry having 5/6 18/19 Yr old on our bench when their options within in the county Tyrone shouldn't need any U-20,

    Clifford was in the Kerry senior panel at the same age. While comparisons with Clifford would be premature, they're not unjust given their underage performances. If it's ok for Kerry, I'd have no issue doing the same in Tyrone.
    That said, I think it would be better for him to be Stick at the club for another year.
    I think when you've a prospect performing at that level you need to go with as soon as you can. Can only benefit the Tyrone set up. Crying all year about lack of depth and options off the bench and now we have Canavan and others available. Seems a no brainer to me to call him up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on May 17, 2022, 11:41:28 AM
    Let young Canavan finish his A-Levels and if we are still in the championship bring him in then.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on May 17, 2022, 11:50:15 AM
    Should call him up and cap him in case he declares for another county like Jack Grealish or Seanie Johnson.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Man Marker on May 17, 2022, 11:52:01 AM
     ;D ;D ;D ;D that made me lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:38:38 PM
    I thought Devlin spoke well after the game, about respecting the current senior panel who are still All Ireland champs.

    He's been very impressive this year as manager.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on May 20, 2022, 09:12:43 AM
    very hard to make him out sometimes when interviewed, he talks that fast :)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on May 20, 2022, 09:14:27 PM
    So it is. Lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 05:59:38 PM
    Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 21, 2022, 05:01:08 PM
    Well done to the hurlers in Croke Park today, adding the Nicky Rackyard Cup to the NHL3A title - couldn't ask more from them this year.

    Roscommon were well fancied before the ball was thrown in, Tyrone's intensity was immense and the accuracy was great..

    McShane has the Midas touch and brings a level of professionalism to his teams.. good to see CJ win again at Croke and Colm our clubman did a great job as Ref!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Blowitupref on May 21, 2022, 06:04:18 PM
    Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 05:59:38 PM
    Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 21, 2022, 05:01:08 PM
    Well done to the hurlers in Croke Park today, adding the Nicky Rackyard Cup to the NHL3A title - couldn't ask more from them this year.

    Roscommon were well fancied before the ball was thrown in, Tyrone's intensity was immense and the accuracy was great..

    McShane has the Midas touch and brings a level of professionalism to his teams.. good to see CJ win again at Croke and Colm our clubman did a great job as Ref!

    Roscommon by 2 points going the odds, Tyrone had lost by 13 points in Hyde Park two weeks ago. The league meeting between the two ended in a draw. Fine achievement by Tyrone to earn league and championship promotion.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on May 21, 2022, 07:35:04 PM
    Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 05:59:38 PM
    Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 21, 2022, 05:01:08 PM
    Well done to the hurlers in Croke Park today, adding the Nicky Rackyard Cup to the NHL3A title - couldn't ask more from them this year.

    Roscommon were well fancied before the ball was thrown in, Tyrone's intensity was immense and the accuracy was great..

    McShane has the Midas touch and brings a level of professionalism to his teams.. good to see CJ win again at Croke and Colm our clubman did a great job as Ref!

    Gave him a yellow for verbals!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on May 21, 2022, 09:14:51 PM
    Are the hurlers getting more promotion / support this year, or am I imagining it? Or is it just the case that they are going well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 23, 2022, 08:06:38 PM
    Any word on how the training is going. Heard mcnulty was back
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on May 26, 2022, 12:14:10 PM
    MC gleenan and Devlin called up?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 26, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on May 26, 2022, 12:14:10 PM
    MC gleenan and Devlin called up?

    Canavan as well?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on May 26, 2022, 12:40:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 26, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on May 26, 2022, 12:14:10 PM
    MC gleenan and Devlin called up?

    Canavan as well?
    He turned it down and played vs trillick, other two missed club games as starred players.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on May 26, 2022, 02:11:53 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on May 26, 2022, 12:40:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 26, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on May 26, 2022, 12:14:10 PM
    MC gleenan and Devlin called up?

    Canavan as well?
    He turned it down and played vs trillick, other two missed club games as starred players.

    Devlin, Donaghy & McGleenan all called up (missed club started games) whereas Canavan, Cush, O'Donnell all turned it down. That is what I had heard but maybe others on here know better
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on May 26, 2022, 02:19:32 PM
    I see the only tickets online are terrace behind the goals. Are clubs getting tickets?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 26, 2022, 03:23:06 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on May 26, 2022, 02:11:53 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on May 26, 2022, 12:40:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 26, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on May 26, 2022, 12:14:10 PM
    MC gleenan and Devlin called up?

    Canavan as well?
    He turned it down and played vs trillick, other two missed club games as starred players.

    Devlin, Donaghy & McGleenan all called up (missed club started games) whereas Canavan, Cush, O'Donnell all turned it down. That is what I had heard but maybe others on here know better

    Heard the best U20 in Ireland trained with the senior team on Tuesday night
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on May 26, 2022, 03:52:04 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 26, 2022, 03:23:06 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on May 26, 2022, 02:11:53 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on May 26, 2022, 12:40:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 26, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on May 26, 2022, 12:14:10 PM
    MC gleenan and Devlin called up?

    Canavan as well?
    He turned it down and played vs trillick, other two missed club games as starred players.

    Devlin, Donaghy & McGleenan all called up (missed club started games) whereas Canavan, Cush, O'Donnell all turned it down. That is what I had heard but maybe others on here know better

    Heard the best U20 in Ireland trained with the senior team on Tuesday night

    Well, maybe he went to see how he felt about it. Wouldn't want to rush him into it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on May 26, 2022, 08:57:04 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on May 26, 2022, 02:11:53 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on May 26, 2022, 12:40:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 26, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on May 26, 2022, 12:14:10 PM
    MC gleenan and Devlin called up?

    Canavan as well?
    He turned it down and played vs trillick, other two missed club games as starred players.

    Devlin, Donaghy & McGleenan all called up (missed club started games) whereas Canavan, Cush, O'Donnell all turned it down. That is what I had heard but maybe others on here know better

    Id confidently predict that the 3 young lads called up won't see a single minute of playing time. So what's the thinking here? Bag some experience ahead of next season? With the split season, there isn't much a downside there. They will be back with their clubs in a matter of weeks
    Suprised Ruairi turned it down. He could have seen a bit of game time as an impact sub. But let's face it he's getting the best advice at home.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on May 26, 2022, 10:03:53 PM
    As much as I'd like to see canavan in there I think it is the right decision.  Very young.  Plenty of time
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on May 27, 2022, 12:35:41 AM
    Would love to see Devlin get minuted.... reckon he's a big prospect and could be ready right now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on May 27, 2022, 10:51:56 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 27, 2022, 12:35:41 AM
    Would love to see Devlin get minuted.... reckon he's a big prospect and could be ready right now.

    Yeah he's the one who most impressed me in some ways. Always seemed to make the right decision, good kick passer and spacial awareness.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Million on June 01, 2022, 11:35:23 AM
    Looking forward to Sunday when hopefully we arrive for the year at long last.

    Any team news hovering?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 01, 2022, 11:39:10 AM
    Things fairly quiet on here, considering such a do or die game against our biggest rivals only a few days away..
    Its strange times being a Tyrone fan, we are the reigning all Ireland champions yet our support is fairly tepid. We've witnessed some really God awful performances from the team this year, I think its fair to say most of us are contented with the enjoyment they brought us all last year.
    Logan & Dooher not naming a team on the Thursday night even dulls this forum, it would always have sparked a few pages of debate in the Harte era. I suppose when your carrying a panel of 45 men, there are going to be up to 19 disappointed panelists when that squad of 26 is named.
    The panel size has got me thinking... Many of those lads yet to make a single appearance. Surely they are wondering if the reward is worth the input? Can that be good for the mood in the squad as a whole? Do the management really have trust in them, when you carry a squad that size? How is the training and in house games managed with those numbers? Why are some highly thought of players perennially injured (Emmet McNabb & Peter Teague jump to mind) The starting 15 doesn't change a great deal, but numbers 16 to 26 seems to change quite a lot.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 01, 2022, 11:46:49 AM
    Looking  forward to this one. You can make excuses earlier in the year for flat performances on the back of an All Ireland but the team will be judged from now on. You'd like to thing given everything that has gone before and the knockout nature they will be up for this one and deliver a performance. Talk on here of McNulty and Donnelly being back. That combined with a few serious u20 players would definitely improve the squad depth.

    It's such a pity the 26 can't be named tonight say and the rest of the panel members be allowed to play with their clubs on Friday. They'd get much needed game time and surely help to keep fringe players involved with the county. I think the argument against is that starred games are meant to involve teams with close to equal county players. But with late call ups etc this is already all over the place anyway.

    Talking of the 26 it's going to be very interesting this weekend. Particularly around whether Donnelly or McNulty have made it back and whether any of the u20's can force their way in. You'd think with the talent of Canavan it would be hard to leave him out.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 01, 2022, 01:20:46 PM
    Thing about mcnulty is he is always close to a red card. He goes all in on 50/50 challenges and maybe need to calm down a bit. He's a big strong physical player who should run at the defence. He will get you frees.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 01, 2022, 02:02:57 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 01, 2022, 01:20:46 PM
    Thing about mcnulty is he is always close to a red card. He goes all in on 50/50 challenges and maybe need to calm down a bit. He's a big strong physical player who should run at the defence. He will get you frees.

    He'd be another excellent target for Morgan to try and hit as well. I'd guess after 3months out, a 20min cameo is as much as we could hope for
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on June 02, 2022, 09:15:17 PM
    1.morgan
    2.mc kernan
    3.hampsey
    4.burns
    5.mc geary
    6. Mc nammee
    7.Niall sludden
    8.mc nulty
    9. Kilpatrick
    10.mc kenna
    11. Darragh canavan
    12. Meyler
    13. Mc curry
    14. Mattie Donnelly
    15. Ruairi canavan 

    Would love to see them line out like this (not going to happen) and try something different if
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TheModernGame on June 03, 2022, 09:48:44 AM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 02, 2022, 09:15:17 PM
    1.morgan
    2.mc kernan
    3.hampsey
    4.burns
    5.mc geary
    6. Mc nammee
    7.Niall sludden
    8.mc nulty
    9. Kilpatrick
    10.mc kenna
    11. Darragh canavan
    12. Meyler
    13. Mc curry
    14. Mattie Donnelly
    15. Ruairi canavan 

    Would love to see them line out like this (not going to happen) and try something different if

    Not sure how you can drop Kennedy and Harte? Both Burns and McGeary have been very poor this year. I wouldn't be against starting Canavan, but I think you need some sort of impact off the bench.

    This is personally who I would go with.

    1. Morgan
    2. McKernan
    3. McNamee
    4. Hampsey
    5. Brennan
    6. Michael O'Neill
    7. Sludden
    8. Kilpatrick
    9. Kennedy
    10. Nathan Donnelly
    11. Harte
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. McKenna
    15. Darragh Canavan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 03, 2022, 09:55:36 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on June 03, 2022, 09:48:44 AM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 02, 2022, 09:15:17 PM
    1.morgan
    2.mc kernan
    3.hampsey
    4.burns
    5.mc geary
    6. Mc nammee
    7.Niall sludden
    8.mc nulty
    9. Kilpatrick
    10.mc kenna
    11. Darragh canavan
    12. Meyler
    13. Mc curry
    14. Mattie Donnelly
    15. Ruairi canavan 

    Would love to see them line out like this (not going to happen) and try something different if

    Not sure how you can drop Kennedy and Harte? Both Burns and McGeary have been very poor this year. I wouldn't be against starting Canavan, but I think you need some sort of impact off the bench.

    This is personally who I would go with.

    1. Morgan
    2. McKernan
    3. McNamee
    4. Hampsey
    5. Brennan
    6. Michael O'Neill
    7. Sludden
    8. Kilpatrick
    9. Kennedy
    10. Nathan Donnelly
    11. Harte
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. McKenna
    15. Darragh Canavan

    Kennedy not dropped he is suspended.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TheModernGame on June 03, 2022, 10:11:19 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on June 03, 2022, 09:55:36 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on June 03, 2022, 09:48:44 AM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 02, 2022, 09:15:17 PM
    1.morgan
    2.mc kernan
    3.hampsey
    4.burns
    5.mc geary
    6. Mc nammee
    7.Niall sludden
    8.mc nulty
    9. Kilpatrick
    10.mc kenna
    11. Darragh canavan
    12. Meyler
    13. Mc curry
    14. Mattie Donnelly
    15. Ruairi canavan 

    Would love to see them line out like this (not going to happen) and try something different if

    Not sure how you can drop Kennedy and Harte? Both Burns and McGeary have been very poor this year. I wouldn't be against starting Canavan, but I think you need some sort of impact off the bench.

    This is personally who I would go with.

    1. Morgan
    2. McKernan
    3. McNamee
    4. Hampsey
    5. Brennan
    6. Michael O'Neill
    7. Sludden
    8. Kilpatrick
    9. Kennedy
    10. Nathan Donnelly
    11. Harte
    12. Meyler
    13. McCurry
    14. McKenna
    15. Darragh Canavan

    Kennedy not dropped he is suspended.

    My bad. Thought it was a second yellow he got. In that case i'd probably go Richie Donnelly (if fit) to partner Kilpatrick.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 03, 2022, 10:41:29 AM
    Morgan
    McKernan
    Mcnamee
    Hampsey
    McGeary
    Burns
    Harte
    Kilpatrick
    R Donnelly
    Meyler
    McKenna
    Sludden
    Mccurry
    M Donnelly (if fit)
    D Canavan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 03, 2022, 10:53:45 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on June 03, 2022, 10:41:29 AM
    Morgan
    McKernan
    Mcnamee
    Hampsey
    McGeary
    Burns
    Harte
    Kilpatrick
    R Donnelly
    Meyler
    McKenna
    Sludden
    Mccurry
    M Donnelly (if fit)
    D Canavan

    You'd imagine this team will be fairly close to what starts in terms of personnel. The one I'd be surprised starting would be Mattie. Given his injury he may be held back as a sub. Though if fit he's probably a safer option than McShane who could perform better from bench. There's a few boys who will be lucky to start though based on form - McGeary, McKenna and Sludden have all struggled this year. Hampsey at times as well. But the season will be judged from now so hopefully they can start getting back to somewhere near last years levels.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on June 03, 2022, 11:37:01 AM
    After the Derry I think Dooher had said Mattie Donnelly was 2-3 weeks away so hopefully if all has went to plan he has a couple of weeks training done. Would be a boost to get him back, Harte who wasn't fully fit v Derry and Canavan who was carrying a niggle.
    Hard to see McShane starting now after being hauled off at half-time (harshly as our problems v Derry were legs around the middle)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 04:11:51 PM
    Long time to next season for tyrone. Hopefully get the back room issues sorted out. Would like to see darragh starting more. Rurari may be able to get some game time as well.

    Wouldn't be taking back any of the players who walked away this season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 05, 2022, 04:35:20 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 04:11:51 PM
    Long time to next season for tyrone. Hopefully get the back room issues sorted out. Would like to see darragh starting more. Rurari may be able to get some game time as well.

    Wouldn't be taking back any of the players who walked away this season.

    McCann and Bradley were the only ones who had performed consistently and who could be realistically expected to add something. Donaghy and Brennan weren't trusted and maybe had one good game each over several years. Don't see why any should be brought back. There's enough quality there already and in the u20s, just needs to be put in the right configuration and a tune got out of them.

    Things worked out last year, even when things didn't, like Covid they were able to turn it into motivation. They just didn't seem to be up to the pitch this year, tactics never seemed to come off and referee decisions not going for and going against us more.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on June 05, 2022, 04:54:38 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 04:11:51 PM
    Long time to next season for tyrone. Hopefully get the back room issues sorted out. Would like to see darragh starting more. Rurari may be able to get some game time as well.

    Wouldn't be taking back any of the players who walked away this season.

    What are the issues?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on June 05, 2022, 05:14:45 PM
    Tyrone were in catch-up mode after the New Year holiday, McKenna Cup campaign was notably weak with the League so close. 

    But wouldn't be too disheartened. Plenty of counties such as Mayo or Monaghan would love the problem of having to defend Sam. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 05, 2022, 10:26:12 PM
    Another bad day office this year

    - Strange team selection and assuming it was based on training performances
    - No line breakers at pace apart from mckernan
    - No idea how to attack fast
    - Not enough score takers on or players with natural attacking intent
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on June 05, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
    Very strange team selection, all up for selections based on training but doing no favours to MO'N who barely kicked a ball since the AIF last year to start the 2 Championship games, while leaving the player of the year out

    Felt rough for Teague, hopefully he can bounce back

    Burns, different position every game, does him no favours

    Darragh Canavan is the nearest thing to Brian McGuigan and probably most suited to 11, hopefully that resolves itself next year

    Conroy of Moy comes on v Fermanagh, doesn't make the squad today
    R Canavan drafted in to sit on the bench

    Both lads missing club football Friday night and no minutes today, wonder how that sits with them, its an imperfect situation unlikely to resolve itself
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 06, 2022, 06:25:26 AM
    Quote from: tiempo on June 05, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
    Very strange team selection, all up for selections based on training but doing no favours to MO'N who barely kicked a ball since the AIF last year to start the 2 Championship games, while leaving the player of the year out

    Felt rough for Teague, hopefully he can bounce back

    Burns, different position every game, does him no favours

    Darragh Canavan is the nearest thing to Brian McGuigan and probably most suited to 11, hopefully that resolves itself next year

    Conroy of Moy comes on v Fermanagh, doesn't make the squad today
    R Canavan drafted in to sit on the bench

    Both lads missing club football Friday night and no minutes today, wonder how that sits with them, its an imperfect situation unlikely to resolve itself

    The likes of Conroy, Monroe and many others maybe on panel for 2 years training but Mike McGleenan comes on yesterday with a week and a half with the squad, what are them lads thinking today.


    Real lack of cutting edge and pace coming from our defence, McKernan the only one who do it for the goal but nothing really after that. That's where you miss someone like Tiernan McCann who could come on and really punch holes in an oppositions defence.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on June 06, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
    Very disappointing end to the year yesterday. Not enough scoring forwards, no energy,  teague gamble backfired badly.  M o Neill should never get a number 11 jersey ahead of Darragh canavan again. No scoring threat at all in the half forward line. Hopefully the club season gets finished in good time this year and lads get a few months off. Don't forget the club season finished on 19th December last year which is a joke and it really showed this year. We will be a different animal next year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 06, 2022, 11:23:51 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 06, 2022, 06:25:26 AM
    Quote from: tiempo on June 05, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
    Very strange team selection, all up for selections based on training but doing no favours to MO'N who barely kicked a ball since the AIF last year to start the 2 Championship games, while leaving the player of the year out

    Felt rough for Teague, hopefully he can bounce back

    Burns, different position every game, does him no favours

    Darragh Canavan is the nearest thing to Brian McGuigan and probably most suited to 11, hopefully that resolves itself next year

    Conroy of Moy comes on v Fermanagh, doesn't make the squad today
    R Canavan drafted in to sit on the bench

    Both lads missing club football Friday night and no minutes today, wonder how that sits with them, its an imperfect situation unlikely to resolve itself

    The likes of Conroy, Monroe and many others maybe on panel for 2 years training but Mike McGleenan comes on yesterday with a week and a half with the squad, what are them lads thinking today.


    Real lack of cutting edge and pace coming from our defence, McKernan the only one who do it for the goal but nothing really after that. That's where you miss someone like Tiernan McCann who could come on and really punch holes in an oppositions defence.

    In fairness there was a clear issue at midfield and there weren't really any other options. I think he should have been brought on earlier.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on June 06, 2022, 11:29:12 AM
    will there be an exodus now to the US?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on June 06, 2022, 11:47:39 AM
    I had thought there was a rule that you couldnt play in the US if you had played cship here?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on June 06, 2022, 11:51:41 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
    Very disappointing end to the year yesterday. Not enough scoring forwards, no energy,  teague gamble backfired badly.  M o Neill should never get a number 11 jersey ahead of Darragh canavan again. No scoring threat at all in the half forward line. Hopefully the club season gets finished in good time this year and lads get a few months off. Don't forget the club season finished on 19th December last year which is a joke and it really showed this year. We will be a different animal next year.

    You got your wish STG, grass isnt always greener, let this be a lesson.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on June 06, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 06, 2022, 11:51:41 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
    Very disappointing end to the year yesterday. Not enough scoring forwards, no energy,  teague gamble backfired badly.  M o Neill should never get a number 11 jersey ahead of Darragh canavan again. No scoring threat at all in the half forward line. Hopefully the club season gets finished in good time this year and lads get a few months off. Don't forget the club season finished on 19th December last year which is a joke and it really showed this year. We will be a different animal next year.

    You got your wish STG, grass isnt always greener, let this be a lesson.
    grass was very green last year! Are you suggesting we shouldn't have got rid of Harte? Jesus wept.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on June 06, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 06, 2022, 11:51:41 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
    Very disappointing end to the year yesterday. Not enough scoring forwards, no energy,  teague gamble backfired badly.  M o Neill should never get a number 11 jersey ahead of Darragh canavan again. No scoring threat at all in the half forward line. Hopefully the club season gets finished in good time this year and lads get a few months off. Don't forget the club season finished on 19th December last year which is a joke and it really showed this year. We will be a different animal next year.

    You got your wish STG, grass isnt always greener, let this be a lesson.
    grass was very green last year! Are you suggesting we shouldn't have got rid of Harte? Jesus wept.

    That's exactly what I'm saying. Mickey still the greatest manager we ever had.  I felt we would have won the all Ireland last year with Mickey in charge, it was just a continuation of what he had done previous.  We really could have done with him yesterday imo.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 06, 2022, 01:48:53 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 06, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on June 06, 2022, 11:51:41 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 06, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
    Very disappointing end to the year yesterday. Not enough scoring forwards, no energy,  teague gamble backfired badly.  M o Neill should never get a number 11 jersey ahead of Darragh canavan again. No scoring threat at all in the half forward line. Hopefully the club season gets finished in good time this year and lads get a few months off. Don't forget the club season finished on 19th December last year which is a joke and it really showed this year. We will be a different animal next year.

    You got your wish STG, grass isnt always greener, let this be a lesson.
    grass was very green last year! Are you suggesting we shouldn't have got rid of Harte? Jesus wept.

    That's exactly what I'm saying. Mickey still the greatest manager we ever had.  I felt we would have won the all Ireland last year with Mickey in charge, it was just a continuation of what he had done previous.  We really could have done with him yesterday imo.

    we would never have scored 3 goals against Kerry last year with Mickey in charge.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 06, 2022, 02:07:20 PM
    The biggest elephant in the room for me is the fact that Tyrone have 45 players on the panel. This is an absolute joke. The naming of the 26 on the match day panel being delayed and not releasing players that didn't make the panel back to clubs to play on a Friday night is poor from management, these lads could do with the football.


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on June 06, 2022, 02:18:04 PM
    Think we could be heading for a period of (bullshit term) transition. Really think there was a leadership within the players all year, and it looking like a lot of players were waiting on someone else to kick on, and heard recently training really stepped up a gear in physicality/intensity when Donnelly returned, a poor reflection on the rest of the squad if true. I have no problem with lack of form which could be explained but the basic errors and discipline by key players where hugely disappointing and hopefully will be addressed by a long autumn/winter of being reminded of that. The balance will be to integrate some of the u20's by giving them time to adjust to the physicality of seniors whilst removing some guys that with all due respect haven't made an impact or can't be relied on making an impact. That said McCurry, McKernan, Kilpatrick, Meyler in particular deserve to be complimented as they (imo) where consistently performing well throughout a tough although short year - big club season/championship for a lot of players
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on June 06, 2022, 02:18:51 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 06, 2022, 02:07:20 PM
    The biggest elephant in the room for me is the fact that Tyrone have 45 players on the panel. This is an absolute joke. The naming of the 26 on the match day panel being delayed and not releasing players that didn't make the panel back to clubs to play on a Friday night is poor from management, these lads could do with the football.

    That is bad, I would say Premier League teams are carrying less and play 3 times the volume of games, there has to be some sort of mechanism where lads are eligible for club games and don't just become GPA expense monkeys/training game fodder.

    None of the squad played a single club game in the 5 weeks between the Derry game and Armagh game, any chance to decompress and maybe get a bit of confidence in a different setting was lost to the county goldfish bowl.

    If the team is on the go for 18 months solid, how much training did they really need heading into Armagh, last I heard Tyrone had done some video analysis work with the MF on how the ref throws the ball in for the start of the game, entering into twilight zone/paralysis by analysis stuff there
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on June 06, 2022, 02:28:23 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on June 06, 2022, 02:18:51 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 06, 2022, 02:07:20 PM
    The biggest elephant in the room for me is the fact that Tyrone have 45 players on the panel. This is an absolute joke. The naming of the 26 on the match day panel being delayed and not releasing players that didn't make the panel back to clubs to play on a Friday night is poor from management, these lads could do with the football.

    That is bad, I would say Premier League teams are carrying less and play 3 times the volume of games, there has to be some sort of mechanism where lads are eligible for club games and don't just become GPA expense monkeys/training game fodder.

    None of the squad played a single club game in the 5 weeks between the Derry game and Armagh game, any chance to decompress and maybe get a bit of confidence in a different setting was lost to the county goldfish bowl.

    If the team is on the go for 18 months solid, how much training did they really need heading into Armagh, last I heard Tyrone had done some video analysis work with the MF on how the ref throws the ball in for the start of the game, entering into twilight zone/paralysis by analysis stuff there

    Mad if true. Armagh won at least one throw in from what I can remember.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 06, 2022, 04:47:33 PM
    Nathan Donnelly and Jonny Munroe given plenty of game time at start of league and never seen.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on June 06, 2022, 08:40:16 PM
    Would they have really made any impact yesterday??
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 07, 2022, 06:42:53 AM
    Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 07, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
    Reading the report on the Senior Ladies' football team game vs. Sligo in Killyclogher last Sunday, there might be a few LGFA club registrars that'll get a right bollockin' from their reps on the county team!  :o

    Explain?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 07, 2022, 03:25:05 PM
    Thank God Chloe McCaffrey was registered correctly.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on June 07, 2022, 03:34:42 PM
    It was a really bad year. Two games, two defeats. We never got going in either game.

    Teague was a gamble. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't.

    MO'N didn't have a great game and Rafferty the keeper ran past him too easily for a score that put the game beyond Tyrone.

    Felt Morgan missing those two kicks in the first half really deflated the team. Such straight forward easy scores. He can hit a man on the run 60 yards away like a laser adn then kicks these wide. Free taking in general let us down.

    Kilpatrick was MIA.

    The bench was strange one parachuting McGleenan and Canavan in. Players not involved in the 26 really need to be released back to their clubs. It's ridiculous that they can't play and it contributes to players walking away.

    But the future is bright. We have some really talented players in the County at youth level and they'll get their chance. We'll be back.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on June 07, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 07, 2022, 03:34:42 PM
    It was a really bad year. Two games, two defeats. We never got going in either game.

    Weirdly that's a few times since the weekend that I've heard that claim. It's three games, two defeats - not that it matters, but we did beat Fermanagh in the preliminary round.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on June 07, 2022, 10:30:27 PM
    Staying in Div 1 was a highlight, that win in Kerry on final day was terrific. But we were unlucky to be in the prelim of Ulster and then unlucky with that qualifier draw away v Armagh. It feels a flat still, a few days later.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on June 08, 2022, 01:03:32 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on June 07, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 07, 2022, 03:34:42 PM
    It was a really bad year. Two games, two defeats. We never got going in either game.

    Weirdly that's a few times since the weekend that I've heard that claim. It's three games, two defeats - not that it matters, but we did beat Fermanagh in the preliminary round.

    Sorry you are right. I forgot completely.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on June 08, 2022, 02:05:33 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 08, 2022, 01:03:32 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on June 07, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 07, 2022, 03:34:42 PM
    It was a really bad year. Two games, two defeats. We never got going in either game.

    Weirdly that's a few times since the weekend that I've heard that claim. It's three games, two defeats - not that it matters, but we did beat Fermanagh in the preliminary round.

    Sorry you are right. I forgot completely.

    Easily done in fairness, given how utterly toothless we were vs Derry & Armagh.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: MC on June 09, 2022, 12:30:35 PM
    All for throw-in analysis - and any other type of analysis.
    Thrown in is the only time a team are in traditional 15 positions - a great opportunity for two scores if a team can win it and get their attack right.

    The game is getting smarter all the time and every advantage counts.

    Very little analysis on why Tyrone were so poor - most newspaper reports describe the game - with no thought as to the why!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

    Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 10, 2022, 12:59:25 PM
    Biggest mistake was the team holiday at the end of 2021, with the split season teams need to be coming flying out of the traps in January from now on.
    Not sure though when teams should take their holiday if they win the all-ireland going forward or maybe it might be better to give vouchers for individual holidays.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on June 10, 2022, 01:07:01 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on June 10, 2022, 12:59:25 PM
    Biggest mistake was the team holiday at the end of 2021, with the split season teams need to be coming flying out of the traps in January from now on.
    Not sure though when teams should take their holiday if they win the all-ireland going forward or maybe it might be better to give vouchers for individual holidays.

    It was 2 weeks and they had training sessions whilst on holiday.

    When does it end???
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 10, 2022, 01:16:11 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

    Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.
    cant believe we are questioning the managers. boys had not the appetite or form this year, that can lead to discipline, rows or non performance but its important we recognise that the same players who were setting up and scoring goals in all ireland semis and finals last year, were not capable of it this year.  I believe it is a blip.  Understandable because they put everything on it 8 months before. No one should be having a go imo because as a group what they all achieved was incredible. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on June 10, 2022, 02:47:02 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

    Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

    Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on June 10, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on June 10, 2022, 01:07:01 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on June 10, 2022, 12:59:25 PM
    Biggest mistake was the team holiday at the end of 2021, with the split season teams need to be coming flying out of the traps in January from now on.
    Not sure though when teams should take their holiday if they win the all-ireland going forward or maybe it might be better to give vouchers for individual holidays.

    It was 2 weeks and they had training sessions whilst on holiday.

    When does it end???

    Yep, there has to be time to let lads decompress, head back to their own clubs/communities to touch base and remind them who helped get them where they are and who they're likely doing it for to some extent. Even maybe a dose of hard reality or an arm round the shoulder. The elite bubble and regimented approach is as stifling in a negative sense, comparatively, to what the S&C and nutrition is meant to give you as a positive edge at the other end of the spectrum.

    All told the lads had to wait 5 weeks for a competitive game, so there was no getting it out of the system, for those who didn't feature against Fermanagh, Derry or Armagh, they'll be what 12 weeks or more without a competitive game some of them?

    The GPA expense monkey/training game fodder needs to be tackled. There's more to life than county training, training camps, training gear, mileage allowance and protein intake/KG of muscle mass.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 10, 2022, 02:47:02 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

    Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

    Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.

    Mickeys legacy was the 4th AI. Unfortunately I think we are slowly seeing the the last kicks from his time dying out. Wasn't many seasons under Mickey as short. I really hope Logan and Dooher pull it together next year again. But the cynic in me says we were lucky last year. Hope I'm wrong tho. Another bad season next year and the wolves will be at the door.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: MC on June 10, 2022, 03:26:55 PM
    Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.
    [/quote]

    That's extremely harsh judgement on what Harte achieved with Tyrone.
    Last 38 games show Tyrone in a League Table place of third overall - that's during Mickey's lean years to put it in greater context!
    I think a lot of people would acknowledge the players he had available during that period were not quite at the level of the Noughties.
    He had to be fairly inventive with his tactics to counter stronger teams and counter developing tactics from others.
    Regardless of Mayo and Kerry in a few games, they lost to a peak Dublin in a semi-final and a final - at a time when no-one else could beat them.

    The team that won the 2021 All-Ireland were as much a reflection of Harte as Logan & Dooher.
    If Logan & Dooher have a similar record over 3, 5, 10, 15 years, or whatever their tenure, I would also consider it a great achievement.
    I'd agree they need a lot more time before they can be properly judged - but this year has been a disappointment.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 05:21:44 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 10, 2022, 02:47:02 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

    Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

    Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.

    Mickeys legacy was the 4th AI. Unfortunately I think we are slowly seeing the the last kicks from his time dying out. Wasn't many seasons under Mickey as short. I really hope Logan and Dooher pull it together next year again. But the cynic in me says we were lucky last year. Hope I'm wrong tho. Another bad season next year and the wolves will be at the door.

    An argument could been made that his first AI was a result of Arts legacy.

    Can't believe people are questioning new management already. 2 years in charge and stayed in division one both times, won ulster and won the all ireland.

    Mickey wasn't judged after the failure in 2004 to win back to backs so let's give the guys a bit of time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2022, 06:29:30 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 05:21:44 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 10, 2022, 02:47:02 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

    Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

    Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.

    Mickeys legacy was the 4th AI. Unfortunately I think we are slowly seeing the the last kicks from his time dying out. Wasn't many seasons under Mickey as short. I really hope Logan and Dooher pull it together next year again. But the cynic in me says we were lucky last year. Hope I'm wrong tho. Another bad season next year and the wolves will be at the door.

    An argument could been made that his first AI was a result of Arts legacy.

    Can't believe people are questioning new management already. 2 years in charge and stayed in division one both times, won ulster and won the all ireland.

    Mickey wasn't judged after the failure in 2004 to win back to backs so let's give the guys a bit of time.

    Yeah that argument could be made. Though I think the fact Mickey had managed some through underage was an impact as well.
    Mickey won the AI again in 05. If Dooher and Logan do the same or at least get us close again I'm sure people won't be baying for blood. But if it's another early exit then I think people will start asking questions.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 07:00:41 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 05:21:44 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 10, 2022, 02:47:02 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

    Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

    Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.

    Mickeys legacy was the 4th AI. Unfortunately I think we are slowly seeing the the last kicks from his time dying out. Wasn't many seasons under Mickey as short. I really hope Logan and Dooher pull it together next year again. But the cynic in me says we were lucky last year. Hope I'm wrong tho. Another bad season next year and the wolves will be at the door.

    An argument could been made that his first AI was a result of Arts legacy.

    Can't believe people are questioning new management already. 2 years in charge and stayed in division one both times, won ulster and won the all ireland.

    Mickey wasn't judged after the failure in 2004 to win back to backs so let's give the guys a bit of time.
    [/quote

    You nean the year his captain passed away?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 10, 2022, 07:38:03 PM
    Mickey is gone now and won't be back, so no point going back over old ground. It was apparent that he did have blindspots and he trusted the current team a lot less, especially the forwards. Tyrone were well able to beat most teams and compete with he best sometimes, but the lack of trust and conservative tactics always seemed to stop us from getting over the line in the biggest games. Some of it was luck maybe, that luck seemed to be there last year, but you also had McCurry become one of the best forwards in the country where he had never looked anywhere near that under Harte.

    Things didn't fall right this year and it just didn't seem to get going, we shouldn't dwell on it. I think the team and management should be allowed time to decompress and then figure out what was wrong and what the plan is going forward. Fully expect that we will come back next year and if not, questions may then need to be asked.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 09:35:36 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 07:00:41 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 05:21:44 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
    Quote from: trailer on June 10, 2022, 02:47:02 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 10, 2022, 12:36:43 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2022, 10:59:26 AM
    https://twitter.com/sheikhbarabas/status/1535189665103462401?t=jtvMUu4xdKi0q8Jz-xnDbQ&s=19

    This goes to show you how good a job Mickey Harte done over the last 10 years, might not have been everyone's cup of tea but to finish one point behind Kerry and ahead of Mayo (considering their significantly weaker provincial games) is a serious achievement.

    Thoughts STG?


    Fantastic manager.

    From talking to many throughout the county the jury is firmly out on the current management team and all eyes will be on them ahead of next year.
    Lack of game plan, failure to fully analysis opposition were remarks I have heard but then you hear of throw in analysis so God know where the truth is.

    Mickey was a great manager but his time to set aside came and gone. Tyrone struggled under him to beat Kerry or mayo. New management have done that. They have had 1 bad year let's judge them in a few years time.

    Mickey issue was his refusal to accept his playing style was not working which is why tyrone always failed at the final hurdle.

    Mickey was a yesterdays man. And he didn't "struggle to beat Kerry or Mayo" he simply didn't. Being free of his idiocy empowered Tyrone. Kieran McGeary won POTY. McCurry was rejuvenated. We finally won a 4th All Ireland with a far more limited team that Mickey ever had. Mickey stifled Tyrone football. And while 2021 was a great year it will take probably 5-10 years to fully rid us of the damage Mickey inflicted on us. 2022 is a legacy of Mickey. Logan and Dooher need more time, a lot more time.

    Mickeys legacy was the 4th AI. Unfortunately I think we are slowly seeing the the last kicks from his time dying out. Wasn't many seasons under Mickey as short. I really hope Logan and Dooher pull it together next year again. But the cynic in me says we were lucky last year. Hope I'm wrong tho. Another bad season next year and the wolves will be at the door.

    An argument could been made that his first AI was a result of Arts legacy.

    Can't believe people are questioning new management already. 2 years in charge and stayed in division one both times, won ulster and won the all ireland.

    Mickey wasn't judged after the failure in 2004 to win back to backs so let's give the guys a bit of time.
    [/quote

    You nean the year his captain passed away?

    Yes 2004 was different but the fact still remains. Again not too many were questioning him in 2006,2007,2009,2010 etc etc when he failed yet the current management is being questioned after 1 poor year.

    Another question could be asked was it mickey that won those AIs or the players? As when that 2003-2008 grouo passed on tyrone won no AIs. However dooher and Co were able to take a mickey team which couldn't win and AI and win it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on June 10, 2022, 11:11:44 PM
    If your argument is that Mickey developed the 03 team at u21 level etc
    Then you must apply that same logic to the current management - who won an u21 title with many of the team from last year.

    Quote from: HokeyPokey on June 10, 2022, 07:38:03 PM
    Mickey is gone now and won't be back, so no point going back over old ground. It was apparent that he did have blindspots and he trusted the current team a lot less, especially the forwards. Tyrone were well able to beat most teams and compete with he best sometimes, but the lack of trust and conservative tactics always seemed to stop us from getting over the line in the biggest games. Some of it was luck maybe, that luck seemed to be there last year, but you also had McCurry become one of the best forwards in the country where he had never looked anywhere near that under Harte.

    Things didn't fall right this year and it just didn't seem to get going, we shouldn't dwell on it. I think the team and management should be allowed time to decompress and then figure out what was wrong and what the plan is going forward. Fully expect that we will come back next year and if not, questions may then need to be asked.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on June 11, 2022, 08:52:25 PM
    Lads Harte is finished, he gone. Don't forget 2006 season under Harte was a carbon copy of this year. This management team and players will push very close to an all Ireland next year trust me.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on June 11, 2022, 09:19:11 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 11, 2022, 08:52:25 PM
    Lads Harte is finished, he gone. Don't forget 2006 season under Harte was a carbon copy of this year. This management team and players will push very close to an all Ireland next year trust me.

    No way. 2006 was the worst year we ever had with bad injuries to key players, easy to forget that now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 11, 2022, 09:33:14 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 11, 2022, 08:52:25 PM
    Lads Harte is finished, he gone. Don't forget 2006 season under Harte was a carbon copy of this year. This management team and players will push very close to an all Ireland next year trust me.

    I think the main worry is that Derry outfought and out thought Tyrone this year, Derry played the exact game that everyone knew they would yet the Tyrone players seemed shellshocked. Followed by a non performance V Armagh.

    Next year is massive for this team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on June 11, 2022, 09:55:20 PM
    After last year and their u21 AI, there's no doubt that BD and FL deserve another few years at the helm. Players and managers need to consign this year to history but take the lessons from it.

    We played 1 half of football (against fermanagh) in this championship - i think we are capable of repeating last years performance but it will take some work.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on June 13, 2022, 10:02:13 AM
    After yesterday - it's easy to see why a throw in might be looked at.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on June 15, 2022, 10:12:06 AM
    Is it wrong to want Derry to do well this year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on June 15, 2022, 10:12:44 AM
    Is it equally wrong to want Armagh to do well this year? Asking for a friend etc etc...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on June 15, 2022, 10:21:57 AM
    Yes, to both
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 15, 2022, 10:30:56 AM
    Haha, it is wrong, when I think back to the battles with derry in the 90s and armagh in the 00s I really struggle with supporting your fellow ulster team.  As much as I try I can't. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 15, 2022, 02:06:12 PM
    have never wanted Derry or Armagh to win and never will.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ardtole on June 15, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
    Very honest interview from Tiernach McCann on the Smaller Fish podcast today
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 16, 2022, 09:44:05 AM
    Quote from: ardtole on June 15, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
    Very honest interview from Tiernach McCann on the Smaller Fish podcast today

    What was the summary of it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 16, 2022, 10:09:11 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 16, 2022, 09:44:05 AM
    Quote from: ardtole on June 15, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
    Very honest interview from Tiernach McCann on the Smaller Fish podcast today

    What was the summary of it

    seemed pissed off that he did a 4km warm up in last year's All-Ireland Final to only get on for 2 minutes at the end.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on June 16, 2022, 10:26:22 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on June 16, 2022, 10:09:11 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 16, 2022, 09:44:05 AM
    Quote from: ardtole on June 15, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
    Very honest interview from Tiernach McCann on the Smaller Fish podcast today

    What was the summary of it

    seemed pissed off that he did a 4km warm up in last year's All-Ireland Final to only get on for 2 minutes at the end.

    O'Neill and Now McCann yapping about not getting enough game time in an All Ireland winning team. The sense of entitlement is awful. McCann's interview is behind a paywall so I only saw the short clip scruff-balls shared but he comes across very bitter. "Peter was saying get me on but Logan and Dooher didn't"
    Did scruff-balls ask him about the dive against Monaghan?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on June 16, 2022, 11:09:45 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on June 15, 2022, 02:06:12 PM
    have never wanted Derry or Armagh to win and never will.

    Would make my weekend if Clare got a result against Derry. Keep titles at 4-1 please.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Keyboard Warrior on June 16, 2022, 11:21:55 AM
    Quote from: trailer on June 16, 2022, 10:26:22 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on June 16, 2022, 10:09:11 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 16, 2022, 09:44:05 AM
    Quote from: ardtole on June 15, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
    Very honest interview from Tiernach McCann on the Smaller Fish podcast today

    What was the summary of it

    seemed pissed off that he did a 4km warm up in last year's All-Ireland Final to only get on for 2 minutes at the end.

    O'Neill and Now McCann yapping about not getting enough game time in an All Ireland winning team. The sense of entitlement is awful. McCann's interview is behind a paywall so I only saw the short clip scruff-balls shared but he comes across very bitter. "Peter was saying get me on but Logan and Dooher didn't"
    Did scruff-balls ask him about the dive against Monaghan?

    Not sure I would say they were 'yapping'. They both gave honest answers to questions that were put to them in interviews. Should they have not given their honest opinion?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on June 16, 2022, 11:23:08 AM
    Armagh or Derry aren't going to win it though, lucky that they got arguably the two weakest teams left though and are both on easy side of the draw.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on June 16, 2022, 07:34:51 PM
    Another Morgan interview 🙄🙄🙄😂😂😂
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on June 16, 2022, 08:52:23 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on June 16, 2022, 10:09:11 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on June 16, 2022, 09:44:05 AM
    Quote from: ardtole on June 15, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
    Very honest interview from Tiernach McCann on the Smaller Fish podcast today

    What was the summary of it

    seemed pissed off that he did a 4km warm up in last year's All-Ireland Final to only get on for 2 minutes at the end.

    Why would you be doing a 4km warm up? he got playing, more than others...was a great footballer no doubt. He's one of a handful of men from Tyrone to have a medal.
    he made a decision...good luck to him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on June 17, 2022, 09:52:10 PM
    Anybody hear anything about Damian Casey?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on June 17, 2022, 10:05:09 PM
     Yes shocking news. RIP.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 17, 2022, 10:08:04 PM
    That's a shocker. RIP.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on June 17, 2022, 10:11:27 PM
    Heard about it earlier but saw nothing online so was hoping it was false.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on June 17, 2022, 10:39:53 PM
    Awful news. Thought and prayers with his family and friends. Tragic  :'(
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on June 17, 2022, 10:55:15 PM
    Wtf? What happened?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jimbop on June 17, 2022, 11:08:26 PM
    As in the hurler?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on June 17, 2022, 11:12:42 PM
    The town is totally devastated. Damien was at a wedding that was to take place tomorrow in Spain.  Hurling club have lights on and people gathering at the club house.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jimbop on June 17, 2022, 11:23:14 PM
    Tragic. A legend. RIP.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Gaafan2 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:34 PM
    Awful news, RIP Damien.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2022, 12:03:09 AM
    Hearing an unfortunate accident, awfully tragic.. ref'd him other week... congratulated him about their final before game, desperate stuff
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on June 18, 2022, 12:24:45 AM
    Never heard but what's on here. Tragic news. RIP Damien. Such sad news for his family, friends, fellow players - club and county.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on June 18, 2022, 12:28:36 AM
    It was an unfortunate accident while in Spain for a friends wedding due to be held tomorrow.
    RIP
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: laceer on June 18, 2022, 12:31:26 AM
    Not only a supreme hurler but a gentleman of the highest order. Hard to take in. RIP Damian.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on June 18, 2022, 12:47:57 AM
    This is incredibly sad.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Substandard on June 18, 2022, 01:35:44 AM
    So sorry to hear this, watched the Rackard final, he practically beat us on his own.  Condolences to all who knew him, especially his family and teammates.  Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2022, 10:47:32 AM
    Horrific, truly, RIP Damian.  :'(
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: gallsman on June 18, 2022, 08:32:55 PM
    Terrible news. RIP.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on June 24, 2022, 05:29:04 PM
    Brutal,  absolutely brutal
    Rest in peace
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on June 24, 2022, 09:10:17 PM
    Armagh. Derry. Mayo. Dublin.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Twobounces on June 27, 2022, 03:24:32 PM
    What is people's views on this? Down at the Armagh game yesterday and have to say that I was envious with the amount of supporters they have. I can't remember the last Tyrone had support like that, would guess 2005. Last year was a covid year so numbers were down but even this year as All Ireland Champions we didn't have massive numbers of support. I know people will state cost of living etc but has the success of Tyrone over the last 20 years put people off going to games.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 27, 2022, 03:37:35 PM
    Quote from: Twobounces on June 27, 2022, 03:24:32 PM
    What is people's views on this? Down at the Armagh game yesterday and have to say that I was envious with the amount of supporters they have. I can't remember the last Tyrone had support like that, would guess 2005. Last year was a covid year so numbers were down but even this year as All Ireland Champions we didn't have massive numbers of support. I know people will state cost of living etc but has the success of Tyrone over the last 20 years put people off going to games.

    Cost of living hasnt put of Armagh and Derry ones

    Hard to fathom the drop off in Tyrone support. I suppose we were pretty much perennial quarter finalists plus, for the best part of 20years, so days like this weekend became fairly regular for us. Also whilst the match day experience itself is absolutely fantastic, the journey there and back is not. Public transport/ Portadown train is abysmal. Traffic congestion at the tolls and north dublin in general, plus a lack of adequate car parking are all bug bears. Its just so much easier to sit at home and watch it, or go to the pub for a few pints. Interest in our games within the county, and participation etc are still as high as ever

    Hopefully the neighbours doing well & making plenty of noise can inspire our support back to the games.
    I firmly believe our success last year has had a big galvanising effect on the oak leafers this year.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on June 27, 2022, 04:20:54 PM
    The Tyrone support has basically got spoilt, if we were in the QFinals yesterday - we would be lucky to have 8-10k supporters at it. I would say Armagh had near 30k

    The support have got too used to success - AI finals, Semi Finals, Quarter Finals. Minor / u20 finals.
    As a result there is almost an expectation every year that they should be there. As a result there is not the same excitement involved.

    In saying that the core element of the Tyrone support is loyal throughout. They have a 10-12k support at most league games etc. where as the likes of Derry would be and have been playing in front of crowds less that 1000
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on June 27, 2022, 04:54:17 PM
    Armagh won two games in a row in the championship for the first time in about 15 years. They promptly got completely carried away. Some of them have hotels booked for the AIF. The county is full of people who are deluded. We should never compare ourselves to them or what they do.
    Tyrone have been on the road pretty much since 2003. That takes its toll.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on June 27, 2022, 05:08:34 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on June 27, 2022, 04:20:54 PM
    The Tyrone support has basically got spoilt, if we were in the QFinals yesterday - we would be lucky to have 8-10k supporters at it. I would say Armagh had near 30k

    The support have got too used to success - AI finals, Semi Finals, Quarter Finals. Minor / u20 finals.
    As a result there is almost an expectation every year that they should be there. As a result there is not the same excitement involved.

    In saying that the core element of the Tyrone support is loyal throughout. They have a 10-12k support at most league games etc. where as the likes of Derry would be and have been playing in front of crowds less that 1000

    I would say it is a long time since Tyrone had a 10/12k support at a league game, a very long time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on July 11, 2022, 06:24:10 AM
    Paddy Tally to be considered as the next Tyrone manager?

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 11, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 11, 2022, 06:24:10 AM
    Paddy Tally to be considered as the next Tyrone manager?

    Kerry playing similar to the later MH years, setting up defensively to counter and not competing for kick outs at all, with maybe some more kicking. Having Clifford to kick to is a big difference to a Mark Bradley. Not convinced about this Kerry team. They don't really have any good forwards outside the Cliffords and O'Shea. Not much on the bench from what I can see.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on July 11, 2022, 09:39:22 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 11, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 11, 2022, 06:24:10 AM
    Paddy Tally to be considered as the next Tyrone manager?

    Kerry playing similar to the later MH years, setting up defensively to counter and not competing for kick outs at all, with maybe some more kicking. Having Clifford to kick to is a big difference to a Mark Bradley. Not convinced about this Kerry team. They don't really have any good forwards outside the Cliffords and O'Shea. Not much on the bench from what I can see.

    There's no other county in Ireland at the minute with talent like Tony Brosnan, Killian Spillane, Adrian Spillane, Jack Savage, Gavin Crowley, Michael Burns on the bench....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 11, 2022, 09:40:00 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 11, 2022, 06:24:10 AM
    Paddy Tally to be considered as the next Tyrone manager?

    Definitely one for the short list. Maybe some view him more as a coach than manager tho?
    Paul Devlin has to be in the equation. So he does.
    Collie Holmes too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 11, 2022, 09:45:58 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on July 11, 2022, 09:39:22 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 11, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 11, 2022, 06:24:10 AM
    Paddy Tally to be considered as the next Tyrone manager?

    Kerry playing similar to the later MH years, setting up defensively to counter and not competing for kick outs at all, with maybe some more kicking. Having Clifford to kick to is a big difference to a Mark Bradley. Not convinced about this Kerry team. They don't really have any good forwards outside the Cliffords and O'Shea. Not much on the bench from what I can see.

    There's no other county in Ireland at the minute with talent like Tony Brosnan, Killian Spillane, Adrian Spillane, Jack Savage, Gavin Crowley, Michael Burns on the bench....

    They had no impact yesterday other than Dara Moynihan scoring one and him and Killian Spillane kicking a few bad wides...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on July 11, 2022, 09:53:48 AM
    So your judging players them on 20 odd minutes football?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 11, 2022, 09:55:29 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2022, 09:40:00 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 11, 2022, 06:24:10 AM
    Paddy Tally to be considered as the next Tyrone manager?

    Definitely one for the short list. Maybe some view him more as a coach than manager tho?
    Paul Devlin has to be in the equation. So he does.
    Collie Holmes too.

    Wouldn't imagine Holmes would be a contender. Has just taken on the principal ship of Academy Dungannon so that will take up his time I'd imagine.
    Niall Morgan in similar position maybe ,re county commitments, with  his new teaching post
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on July 11, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
    Heard Morgan saying recently something along the lines of he wouldn't retire from Tyrone until he was sure that the next keeper was as good and ready to take over.
    I'd say he has a few years in him yet.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 11, 2022, 10:09:53 AM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 11, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
    Heard Morgan saying recently something along the lines of he wouldn't retire from Tyrone until he was sure that the next keeper was as good and ready to take over.
    I'd say he has a few years in him yet.

    I think he was very good this year again to my memory and I would say is arguably the best in the business.

    Benny Gallen did look good that one time he played, but would he still be on the scene whenever Morgan goes? Anyway, not something I'd be too concerned about currently.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on July 11, 2022, 10:12:28 AM
    Lorcan quinn probably the next man up
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on July 11, 2022, 11:10:31 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 11, 2022, 09:55:29 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2022, 09:40:00 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 11, 2022, 06:24:10 AM
    Paddy Tally to be considered as the next Tyrone manager?

    Definitely one for the short list. Maybe some view him more as a coach than manager tho?
    Paul Devlin has to be in the equation. So he does.
    Collie Holmes too.

    Wouldn't imagine Holmes would be a contender. Has just taken on the principal ship of Academy Dungannon so that will take up his time I'd imagine.
    Niall Morgan in similar position maybe ,re county commitments, with  his new teaching post

    What new teaching post has Morgan got?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 11, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on July 11, 2022, 11:10:31 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 11, 2022, 09:55:29 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 11, 2022, 09:40:00 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on July 11, 2022, 06:24:10 AM
    Paddy Tally to be considered as the next Tyrone manager?

    Definitely one for the short list. Maybe some view him more as a coach than manager tho?
    Paul Devlin has to be in the equation. So he does.
    Collie Holmes too.

    Wouldn't imagine Holmes would be a contender. Has just taken on the principal ship of Academy Dungannon so that will take up his time I'd imagine.
    Niall Morgan in similar position maybe ,re county commitments, with  his new teaching post

    What new teaching post has Morgan got?

    Principal of a small primary school in Co Armagh
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on July 24, 2022, 11:21:23 PM
    If that today (and the year past) does not light a fire under all of the u-20's and the whole senior squad  as well as club players (trying to break into the seniors) to really go hell for leather to make the senior squad nothing will - All-ireland is wide open for the next 5 years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on July 24, 2022, 11:40:09 PM
    Agreed. Kerry are ordinary enough without Clifford, been saying it all year.

    And I realise he is a mammoth on his own but it's true.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 25, 2022, 04:39:11 PM
    Felt like Kerry won same without any really great team performances. Maybe they will improve from this, but if you took Clifford out of that team there isn't much else to be very afraid of in my own opinion.

    Hopefully it does light a fire under Tyrone. The new format means Tyrone can afford more mistakes potentially.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 25, 2022, 05:31:26 PM
    I would imagine the tyrone players would be kicking themselves this year. They wont get an easier path to a final again especially to win back to back titles. Whatever issues happened this year need sorted before next year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 26, 2022, 04:10:59 PM
    We definitely have an issue with defending the AI Crown, however, Ulster is without question the most difficult province from which to emerge intact, and that's a whole different minefield to be negotiated each year regardless.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on July 26, 2022, 05:28:47 PM
    Not a bad problem to have at the same time.  If we continue to be unable to defend our all ireland crowns over the coming years, I'll be content enough
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on August 08, 2022, 12:25:04 AM
    Watching the Chicago final there and the Tyrone inter county players have been absolutely effin brutal.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 08, 2022, 06:56:04 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on August 08, 2022, 12:25:04 AM
    Watching the Chicago final there and the Tyrone inter county players have been absolutely effin brutal.

    Good to see thy are continuing their form from the championship lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on August 08, 2022, 09:59:03 AM
    Brutal stuff handy bucks for a standard of a pub team back here.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on August 08, 2022, 10:27:53 AM
    them lads should hand their money back..:)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on August 17, 2022, 01:28:51 PM
    Any strength to rumor about Tally joining (or re-joining if you wish) the Tyrone set up
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 17, 2022, 02:43:38 PM
    Quote from: tyroneman on August 17, 2022, 01:28:51 PM
    Any strength to rumor about Tally joining (or re-joining if you wish) the Tyrone set up

    havnt heart that at all, but wondered if Collie Holmes new job as principal of St Pats Academy in Dungannon would interfere with his input.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on August 17, 2022, 03:19:20 PM
    Is Oneill back in?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 17, 2022, 10:21:21 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 17, 2022, 02:43:38 PM
    Quote from: tyroneman on August 17, 2022, 01:28:51 PM
    Any strength to rumor about Tally joining (or re-joining if you wish) the Tyrone set up

    havnt heart that at all, but wondered if Collie Holmes new job as principal of St Pats Academy in Dungannon would interfere with his input.

    Morgan too......
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
    Now that the dust has settled, why couldn't Dooher and Logan motivate these lads this year?

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 20, 2022, 12:39:16 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
    Now that the dust has settled, why couldn't Dooher and Logan motivate these lads this year?

    God knows but maybe they ll will have got a few ideas from All or Nothing ..
    They ll be training to The Boys  from Co Armagh blaring thru speakers in Garvaghey or else Logan will be running around the dark dressing room with a lit bulb in his hand
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 20, 2022, 10:59:08 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
    Now that the dust has settled, why couldn't Dooher and Logan motivate these lads this year?

    Shouldn't be down to a manager to motivate you, not in this sport anyway.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 20, 2022, 11:45:57 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2022, 10:59:08 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
    Now that the dust has settled, why couldn't Dooher and Logan motivate these lads this year?

    Shouldn't be down to a manager to motivate you, not in this sport anyway.

    Why?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on August 20, 2022, 12:00:34 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2022, 11:45:57 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2022, 10:59:08 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
    Now that the dust has settled, why couldn't Dooher and Logan motivate these lads this year?

    Shouldn't be down to a manager to motivate you, not in this sport anyway.

    Why?
    It's a sad day when a manger is expected to motivate a player to play for his club or county. Did you play red hand88
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 20, 2022, 01:04:09 PM
    Quote from: redzone on August 20, 2022, 12:00:34 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2022, 11:45:57 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2022, 10:59:08 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
    Now that the dust has settled, why couldn't Dooher and Logan motivate these lads this year?

    Shouldn't be down to a manager to motivate you, not in this sport anyway.

    Why?
    It's a sad day when a manger is expected to motivate a player to play for his club or county. Did you play red hand88

    I did indeed. Not in a long while. Some managers are better than others at psyching you up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2022, 06:07:55 PM
    Managers will definitely motivate a squad. I'm surprised to hear posters think this wouldn't be the case. Not just in the psyching up before a game, but in getting them to maintain an extreme level of training during the course of the year. And the training for county teams is most definitely extreme. It's not all on the manager, but they play a huge part too,
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 20, 2022, 06:35:07 PM
    I can only speak for myself, but even from most of the boys I played with, they didn't need a manager to motivate them, whether that was acutely via battering tables/shouting etc. or more long term. When they were there, be that at training or matches, they all gave 100%. I saw it as near a given that the players who make it through to senior level all have one trait in common, in that they are extremely competitive which constantly fuels motivation. Soccer is a different story altogether and the riches involved seem to be the differentiator in that it's probably the main reason why motivation for players goes lowers.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2022, 06:56:09 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 20, 2022, 06:35:07 PM
    I can only speak for myself, but even from most of the boys I played with, they didn't need a manager to motivate them, whether that was acutely via battering tables/shouting etc. or more long term. When they were there, be that at training or matches, they all gave 100%. I saw it as near a given that the players who make it through to senior level all have one trait in common, in that they are extremely competitive which constantly fuels motivation. Soccer is a different story altogether and the riches involved seem to be the differentiator in that it's probably the main reason why motivation for players goes lowers.

    Wouldn't be my experience at all. I've seen boys got at it like warriors for a good manager. But muddle along under lesser managers who were unable to motivate.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on August 20, 2022, 10:22:17 PM
    Motivation is more than just banging a table getting Lads psyched for a game. It is convincing them to commit for a season, to buy into the team or the vision or the style of football. It is convincing the fringe player to keep plugging away.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on August 20, 2022, 11:08:59 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on August 20, 2022, 10:22:17 PM
    Motivation is more than just banging a table getting Lads psyched for a game. It is convincing them to commit for a season, to buy into the team or the vision or the style of football. It is convincing the fringe player to keep plugging away.
    Absolutely. There's many a manager good at the table thumping, do or die, let's get at them, speeches but lack the longer game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on August 21, 2022, 12:40:04 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on August 20, 2022, 10:22:17 PM
    Motivation is more than just banging a table getting Lads psyched for a game. It is convincing them to commit for a season, to buy into the team or the vision or the style of football. It is convincing the fringe player to keep plugging away.

    There's a difference between motivation and commitment.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on August 21, 2022, 09:01:29 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on August 21, 2022, 12:40:04 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on August 20, 2022, 10:22:17 PM
    Motivation is more than just banging a table getting Lads psyched for a game. It is convincing them to commit for a season, to buy into the team or the vision or the style of football. It is convincing the fringe player to keep plugging away.

    There's a difference between motivation and commitment.
    Motivating them to commit!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on August 21, 2022, 01:33:24 PM
    IMHO anyone playing at elite level sport doesn't necessarily need motivated...at that level they need good leadership, organisation and a solid sense of team.
    And the occasional solid boot up the hole.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: lenny on August 21, 2022, 04:57:02 PM
    Quote from: Stan on August 21, 2022, 01:33:24 PM
    IMHO anyone playing at elite level sport doesn't necessarily need motivated...at that level they need good leadership, organisation and a solid sense of team.
    And the occasional solid boot up the hole.

    Yeah, good leadership, organisation and a solid sense of team can be very motivational and inspiring. The bottom line is that really good managers can get an extra few percent out of most players in a group.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on August 28, 2022, 10:03:57 PM
    McKenna back to Oz.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:09:37 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 28, 2022, 10:03:57 PM
    McKenna back to Oz.

    Seems like he hasnt a clue what he wants. Spent years in afl complaining about being home sick now he wants to go back. He never was committed to tyrone so better off in the long run without him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 28, 2022, 10:14:14 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:09:37 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 28, 2022, 10:03:57 PM
    McKenna back to Oz.

    Seems like he hasnt a clue what he wants. Spent years in afl complaining about being home sick now he wants to go back. He never was committed to tyrone so better off in the long run without him

    Harsh, he was only a child when he first went to oz. Probably always felt like he was missing out back home, now that he has had 2 years he has realised that he enjoyed oz better and the opportunity is still there for him so why not.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:21:30 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 28, 2022, 10:14:14 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:09:37 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 28, 2022, 10:03:57 PM
    McKenna back to Oz.

    Seems like he hasnt a clue what he wants. Spent years in afl complaining about being home sick now he wants to go back. He never was committed to tyrone so better off in the long run without him

    Harsh, he was only a child when he first went to oz. Probably always felt like he was missing out back home, now that he has had 2 years he has realised that he enjoyed oz better and the opportunity is still there for him so why not.

    Wouldn't say its harsh at all. Always talking in the media about how he didn't like oz while still under contract. Came home then started talking about how horses is his passion and gaelic football isn't.

    He must be about 26-27now, time to pick something and stick with it.

    Would bet on it after a few years back in oz he will be in the media again saying he doesn't like it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on August 28, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
    Would agree. Seems like wanting to be different Is his thing and doesn't know what he wants. I hope he is happy back in Australia. Would be a dream for alot of lads to have done what he's done so enjoy it and less complaining.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 28, 2022, 10:35:11 PM
    Has he gone back to a club ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on August 29, 2022, 12:21:49 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on August 28, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
    Would agree. Seems like wanting to be different Is his thing and doesn't know what he wants. I hope he is happy back in Australia. Would be a dream for alot of lads to have done what he's done so enjoy it and less complaining.

    He seems a fairly carefree/easy going  sort of personality which would suggest this flitting about with what he wants, but in the cold reality, he achieved what he said he wanted come back and win the AI with Tyrone, but equally, bar the league games in 20 where he looked that he would properly be a headline talent, much of the 21 AI championship and 22 he was pretty inconsistent at best (albeit with huge game defining moments, without them no AI) and his club performances where dirt - he will leave abit of a gap in the squad not not a big one
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on August 29, 2022, 12:27:20 AM
    Decent contribution in 2021 in big moments
    Contributed nothing in 2022

    A bit of a loss to the squad but not monumental 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 29, 2022, 06:14:10 AM
    Yet another player walks away from Logan and Dooher though.


    From team talk below

    QuoteIt is certainly not the news that all involved with Tyrone GAA want to hear and it's another forward who will depart from that all conquering 2021 squad. Paul Donaghy, Lee Brennan, Ronan O'Neill and Mark Bradley all departed prior to the start of this season and ironically they are the four leading marksmen at the moment in a very competitive Division One within the County.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Walter Cronc on August 29, 2022, 07:36:15 AM
     From the outside I always thought he looked a bit unfit/not well conditioned playing GAA. There were rumours (could be balls) that he wasn't a great trainer either. You'd wonder how that works with professional sport. Good luck to him!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on August 29, 2022, 08:15:36 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:21:30 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 28, 2022, 10:14:14 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:09:37 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 28, 2022, 10:03:57 PM
    McKenna back to Oz.

    Seems like he hasnt a clue what he wants. Spent years in afl complaining about being home sick now he wants to go back. He never was committed to tyrone so better off in the long run without him

    Harsh, he was only a child when he first went to oz. Probably always felt like he was missing out back home, now that he has had 2 years he has realised that he enjoyed oz better and the opportunity is still there for him so why not.

    Wouldn't say its harsh at all. Always talking in the media about how he didn't like oz while still under contract. Came home then started talking about how horses is his passion and gaelic football isn't.

    He must be about 26-27now, time to pick something and stick with it.

    Would bet on it after a few years back in oz he will be in the media again saying he doesn't like it.

    I'd say he'll take your advice on board alright.

    I get it's a discussion board but jeez there's some bitter men on here. It's his life he'll do what he wants. And no I don't know the lad from Adam. He owes nobody anything. His passes at key times during our 2021 AI win were pivotal to Tyrone being crowned champions for a 4th time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 08:17:44 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 29, 2022, 06:14:10 AM
    Yet another player walks away from Logan and Dooher though.


    From team talk below

    QuoteIt is certainly not the news that all involved with Tyrone GAA want to hear and it's another forward who will depart from that all conquering 2021 squad. Paul Donaghy, Lee Brennan, Ronan O'Neill and Mark Bradley all departed prior to the start of this season and ironically they are the four leading marksmen at the moment in a very competitive Division One within the County.

    Paul Donaghy had a fair amount of chances. Had one great game at the start then never really kicked on. Ronan has had more than enough chances under mickey harte. Lee while very skillful doesn't have what it takes at County level.

    Mark Bradley is the only one I would take back out of all of them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 09:28:01 AM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on August 29, 2022, 08:15:36 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:21:30 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on August 28, 2022, 10:14:14 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:09:37 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 28, 2022, 10:03:57 PM
    McKenna back to Oz.

    Seems like he hasnt a clue what he wants. Spent years in afl complaining about being home sick now he wants to go back. He never was committed to tyrone so better off in the long run without him

    Harsh, he was only a child when he first went to oz. Probably always felt like he was missing out back home, now that he has had 2 years he has realised that he enjoyed oz better and the opportunity is still there for him so why not.

    Wouldn't say its harsh at all. Always talking in the media about how he didn't like oz while still under contract. Came home then started talking about how horses is his passion and gaelic football isn't.

    He must be about 26-27now, time to pick something and stick with it.

    Would bet on it after a few years back in oz he will be in the media again saying he doesn't like it.

    I'd say he'll take your advice on board alright.

    I get it's a discussion board but jeez there's some bitter men on here. It's his life he'll do what he wants. And no I don't know the lad from Adam. He owes nobody anything. His passes at key times during our 2021 AI win were pivotal to Tyrone being crowned champions for a 4th time.

    It's a discussion board. Not giving him any advice. Just pointing out the facts that he never seems settled in either oz or here. Its a fact that he was always complaining about either being in oz or at home.

    No one is saying a bad word about the lad. Think you are being a bit sensitive.

    Was crucial in winning the AI in 2021 but never was fully committed.

    Good luck to him in the future but as I said I won't be suprised to hear him back again in a few years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 29, 2022, 09:41:26 AM
    Not all those who wander are lost.


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 29, 2022, 10:04:30 AM
    Good luck to Conor McKenna. He come home and won his all Ireland.

    I'd say Donaghy could be tempted back into the Tyrone squad proving this year he is a score getter topping the ACL scoring charts. Saying that Ryan Coleman won that award last year and didn't get a sniff.

    Could see some transition in the county squad over the next year or 2 as new players emerge.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on August 29, 2022, 10:12:59 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 29, 2022, 10:04:30 AM
    Good luck to Conor McKenna. He come home and won his all Ireland.

    I'd say Donaghy could be tempted back into the Tyrone squad proving this year he is a score getter topping the ACL scoring charts. Saying that Ryan Coleman won that award last year and didn't get a sniff.

    Could see some transition in the county squad over the next year or 2 as new players emerge.

    The shop window is coming very soon.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.

    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on August 29, 2022, 01:01:18 PM
    Is McKenna going back to the same club?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on August 30, 2022, 04:44:55 PM
    Eh? has been a great servant to club, county - at every level he played - and his club in OZ...good luck to him. Unreal criticism of one of our own. U

    Quote from: Under Lights on August 28, 2022, 10:14:14 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2022, 10:09:37 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on August 28, 2022, 10:03:57 PM
    McKenna back to Oz.

    Seems like he hasnt a clue what he wants. Spent years in afl complaining about being home sick now he wants to go back. He never was committed to tyrone so better off in the long run without him

    Harsh, he was only a child when he first went to oz. Probably always felt like he was missing out back home, now that he has had 2 years he has realised that he enjoyed oz better and the opportunity is still there for him so why not.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Eire90 on August 30, 2022, 06:34:47 PM
    maybe hes done  fir financial reasons
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.

    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.

    10. Meyler
    11. Canavan
    12. Canavan
    13. Dazzler
    14. Donnelly
    15. McShane

    GLOT
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Man Marker on September 01, 2022, 02:35:43 PM
    All  good players, but with 50% of your forward line that small for intercounty level there will be no sliver ware
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:46:02 PM
    Quote from: Man Marker on September 01, 2022, 02:35:43 PM
    All  good players, but with 50% of your forward line that small for intercounty level there will be no sliver ware

    You're right need to get Michael O'Neill in there


    Forward line from winning All Ireland team, in terms of big men not much difference.



    10 Conor Meyler

    11 Michael O'Neill

    12 Niall Sludden



    13 Darren McCurry

    14 Matthew Donnelly

    15 Conor McKenna
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on September 01, 2022, 04:52:50 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.

    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.

    10. Meyler
    11. Canavan
    12. Canavan
    13. Dazzler
    14. Donnelly
    15. McShane

    GLOT

    Big year for him. Needs to deliver on his promise.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JimStynes on September 01, 2022, 08:09:16 PM
    Quote from: Eire90 on August 30, 2022, 06:34:47 PM
    maybe hes done  fir financial reasons

    Exactly! I could give you a couple of hundred thousand reasons why he's away back. He's been a pro football from he was about 18! Maybe he realised how good he had it and that the real world novelty wore off pretty quick! Good luck to him but I can't see him making as big an impact as he did before.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on September 01, 2022, 09:25:28 PM
    Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 04:52:50 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.


    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.

    10. Meyler
    11. Canavan
    12. Canavan
    13. Dazzler
    14. Donnelly
    15. McShane

    GLOT

    Big year for him. Needs to deliver on his promise.

    What is this promise? Came back after a horrific injury that he was lucky to get back playing at any level to score a goal in the semi and final in last years great year. Struggled for form this year but we could say that about 80% of team. Tyrone fans are getting more and more fickle when it comes to players - mickey O'Neill, McKenna, McShane to name a few!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 01, 2022, 09:34:20 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on September 01, 2022, 09:25:28 PM
    Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 04:52:50 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.


    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.

    10. Meyler
    11. Canavan
    12. Canavan
    13. Dazzler
    14. Donnelly
    15. McShane

    GLOT

    Big year for him. Needs to deliver on his promise.

    What is this promise? Came back after a horrific injury that he was lucky to get back playing at any level to score a goal in the semi and final in last years great year. Struggled for form this year but we could say that about 80% of team. Tyrone fans are getting more and more fickle when it comes to players - mickey O'Neill, McKenna, McShane to name a few!

    McShane got a huge package to stay. The injury was 2 years ago. 2021 we saw glimpses. 2022 was non existance same for alot of player Let's put it simply he needs to warrant that package.

    I don't believe it's fickle at all. Some players got a lot handed to them and tyrone bent over backwards to help them. You either are fully committed or not at all in my opinion.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 09:53:33 PM
    https://www.facebook.com/607517496033685/posts/pfbid0H1QKjqFTWhxh3Gsh3suxH2LZevhFcNo55LsgjMrVRz7Fs2NkNj97TBHHGkzgv9JRl/?sfnsn=scwspmo (https://www.facebook.com/607517496033685/posts/pfbid0H1QKjqFTWhxh3Gsh3suxH2LZevhFcNo55LsgjMrVRz7Fs2NkNj97TBHHGkzgv9JRl/?sfnsn=scwspmo)

    "I have no problem training but I have to work on recovery, my sleep and being accountable with it. I think people know these things but it's about making it a habit and implementing it at least 90% of the time. I have my meditation. Cold baths, stretching, nasal breathing. You know if you do it most of the time you're in a good place. Before bed I do a bit of reading and stretching. I'd have a cold bath or shower and have the windows open to drop the temperature in the room to help me relax a bit easier. I'd have no screens. I would meditate to help me switch off every night and I tape my mouth, for nasal breathing. To try and regulate your heart rate in pressure situations. There were days during the championship season when my resting heart rate was 35bpm, my average was 37. As a teacher during the summer I could afford eight hours of sleep at least, and during the day I was a lot more relaxed. The week leading up to the AIl-Ireland final, my recovery was in the yellow on my Whoop, it was just okay and I remember thinking it was because of nervous energy and stress and excitement as it wasn't because of any extra training we were doing. But on the Friday night it was 98%. So I'd a deadly sleep. My resting heart rate was 36."
    -Conor Meyler
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on September 02, 2022, 10:43:12 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 01, 2022, 09:34:20 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on September 01, 2022, 09:25:28 PM
    Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 04:52:50 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.


    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.

    10. Meyler
    11. Canavan
    12. Canavan
    13. Dazzler
    14. Donnelly
    15. McShane

    GLOT

    Big year for him. Needs to deliver on his promise.

    What is this promise? Came back after a horrific injury that he was lucky to get back playing at any level to score a goal in the semi and final in last years great year. Struggled for form this year but we could say that about 80% of team. Tyrone fans are getting more and more fickle when it comes to players - mickey O'Neill, McKenna, McShane to name a few!

    McShane got a huge package to stay. The injury was 2 years ago. 2021 we saw glimpses. 2022 was non existance same for alot of player Let's put it simply he needs to warrant that package.

    I don't believe it's fickle at all. Some players got a lot handed to them and tyrone bent over backwards to help them. You either are fully committed or not at all in my opinion.

    Well put. Tyrone have done loads to help him. He now needs to step up and become a focal point for the team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on September 02, 2022, 11:29:46 AM
    In fairness to the fella I'm sure he's trying hard.  Some people don't have injuries and their form has slumped.  Giving someone a job is no guarantee that they'll be a superstar.  It was an incentive to stay and play for Tyrone.  If his form tails off after that then so be it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on September 02, 2022, 11:30:25 AM
    Forget about entitled players, We now have entitled fans as well from the look of things.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on September 02, 2022, 11:56:02 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.

    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.

    10. Meyler
    11. Canavan
    12. Canavan
    13. Dazzler
    14. Donnelly
    15. McShane

    GLOT
    10. Meyler
    11. D Canavan
    12. N Sludden
    13. McCurry
    14. M Donnelly
    15. R Canavan
    Get our two best finishers in together off Mattie who is still our best option as target man.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 02, 2022, 12:15:46 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 01, 2022, 09:34:20 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on September 01, 2022, 09:25:28 PM
    Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 04:52:50 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.


    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.

    10. Meyler
    11. Canavan
    12. Canavan
    13. Dazzler
    14. Donnelly
    15. McShane

    GLOT

    Big year for him. Needs to deliver on his promise.

    What is this promise? Came back after a horrific injury that he was lucky to get back playing at any level to score a goal in the semi and final in last years great year. Struggled for form this year but we could say that about 80% of team. Tyrone fans are getting more and more fickle when it comes to players - mickey O'Neill, McKenna, McShane to name a few!

    McShane got a huge package to stay. The injury was 2 years ago. 2021 we saw glimpses. 2022 was non existance same for alot of player Let's put it simply he needs to warrant that package.

    I don't believe it's fickle at all. Some players got a lot handed to them and tyrone bent over backwards to help them. You either are fully committed or not at all in my opinion.

    What makes your think he is not fully committed?

    Is the fact that he has returned from a serious injury to get an All Star nomination, score in an AI semi final and final, not a good indicator of his commitment?

    His commitment can't be questioned.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 02, 2022, 01:58:32 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 02, 2022, 12:15:46 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 01, 2022, 09:34:20 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on September 01, 2022, 09:25:28 PM
    Quote from: trailer on September 01, 2022, 04:52:50 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
    Quote from: TheModernGame on August 29, 2022, 09:57:54 AM
    McKenna gone. McShane struggling for form. M Donnelly best years behind him. No Bradley, no Brennan, no Donaghy, no O'Neill.

    You have to be honest and say it will take one hell of a job by Logan and Dooher to keep Tyrone in Division one next year.


    Dooher and logan need some time to rebuild. 2021 was not consistent with where we actually are. Few of the established players are in the final years of their career and it will take time for new players to put their mark.

    Too much being put into brennan, o'neill and Bradley leaving. All 3 of them hardly played in 2021 and even in 2020 they didn't feature much.

    Bring in a few of the u21 and let them get some game time.

    If we stay in Division 1 next year and reach a ulster final I would say it would be a success.

    10. Meyler
    11. Canavan
    12. Canavan
    13. Dazzler
    14. Donnelly
    15. McShane

    GLOT

    Big year for him. Needs to deliver on his promise.

    What is this promise? Came back after a horrific injury that he was lucky to get back playing at any level to score a goal in the semi and final in last years great year. Struggled for form this year but we could say that about 80% of team. Tyrone fans are getting more and more fickle when it comes to players - mickey O'Neill, McKenna, McShane to name a few!

    McShane got a huge package to stay. The injury was 2 years ago. 2021 we saw glimpses. 2022 was non existance same for alot of player Let's put it simply he needs to warrant that package.

    I don't believe it's fickle at all. Some players got a lot handed to them and tyrone bent over backwards to help them. You either are fully committed or not at all in my opinion.

    What makes your think he is not fully committed?

    Is the fact that he has returned from a serious injury to get an All Star nomination, score in an AI semi final and final, not a good indicator of his commitment?

    His commitment can't be questioned.

    The commitment comment wasn't aimed at mcshane. It was more of a general statement for all players. Either commit fully or not at all. Same goes for players walking away mid season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on September 02, 2022, 02:07:21 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on September 01, 2022, 09:53:33 PM
    https://www.facebook.com/607517496033685/posts/pfbid0H1QKjqFTWhxh3Gsh3suxH2LZevhFcNo55LsgjMrVRz7Fs2NkNj97TBHHGkzgv9JRl/?sfnsn=scwspmo (https://www.facebook.com/607517496033685/posts/pfbid0H1QKjqFTWhxh3Gsh3suxH2LZevhFcNo55LsgjMrVRz7Fs2NkNj97TBHHGkzgv9JRl/?sfnsn=scwspmo)

    "I have no problem training but I have to work on recovery, my sleep and being accountable with it. I think people know these things but it's about making it a habit and implementing it at least 90% of the time. I have my meditation. Cold baths, stretching, nasal breathing. You know if you do it most of the time you're in a good place. Before bed I do a bit of reading and stretching. I'd have a cold bath or shower and have the windows open to drop the temperature in the room to help me relax a bit easier. I'd have no screens. I would meditate to help me switch off every night and I tape my mouth, for nasal breathing. To try and regulate your heart rate in pressure situations. There were days during the championship season when my resting heart rate was 35bpm, my average was 37. As a teacher during the summer I could afford eight hours of sleep at least, and during the day I was a lot more relaxed. The week leading up to the AIl-Ireland final, my recovery was in the yellow on my Whoop, it was just okay and I remember thinking it was because of nervous energy and stress and excitement as it wasn't because of any extra training we were doing. But on the Friday night it was 98%. So I'd a deadly sleep. My resting heart rate was 36."
    -Conor Meyler

    I tell you what would help me sleep.... reading that f**king tripe there!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on September 02, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
    Last year's panel of 45 (ages they will be at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Darragh McAnenly, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Padraig McNulty

    29 - Darren McCurry, Johnny Munroe
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, Sean Loughran

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Conor McKenna, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, Liam Rafferty, Nathan Donnelly, Ryan Coleman, Peter Teague
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Ryan McCusker, Emmett McNabb

    23 - Liam Nugent
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Cormac Munroe, Conor Quinn, Michael Conroy, Lorcan Quinn, Matthew Murnaghan, Joe Oguz
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Steve Donaghy, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on September 02, 2022, 04:18:58 PM
    Great age profile there to add number 5
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 10, 2022, 09:23:08 PM
    Well done the over 40s, with O'Neill, Gormley, et al., still bossing it -- showing the Seniors how to retain an All-Ireland title!  ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on September 10, 2022, 10:02:26 PM
    With a little help from Fermanagh too. Marty McGrath crossing the county boundaries to help them over the line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on September 10, 2022, 11:43:40 PM
    That was a fine game. Got spicy in the second half too after the sending-off. O'Neill, Gormley and Gourley exuded class. Gourley a fit lad.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on September 11, 2022, 06:46:36 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on September 10, 2022, 10:02:26 PM
    With a little help from Fermanagh too. Marty McGrath crossing the county boundaries to help them over the line.

    How does that work? Seems a bit unfair to me? But I suppose it's only the masters
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: laceer on September 11, 2022, 08:40:20 AM
    Fermanagh mustn't have a masters team? Armagh man in the subs as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on September 11, 2022, 09:28:43 AM
    Brilliant game ,time for the finals to be held in a Stadium such as Clones.I am sure it could quite easily be done.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 11, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
    Stephen O Neill was my favorite player back in the day. I would love to have seen the game yesterday. I think that's 5 All-Irelands Stevie has now, some going. What a great competitor.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on September 11, 2022, 02:28:48 PM
    Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 11, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
    Stephen O Neill was my favorite player back in the day. I would love to have seen the game yesterday. I think that's 5 All-Irelands Stevie has now, some going. What a great competitor.

    Probably more than 5 when you consider a minor, two u-21, three senior and the masters.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 11, 2022, 05:42:58 PM
    How could I forget his minor and two all Ireland U21 medals! So that makes it 8 all Irelands, which is incredible, right across the board minor to master's. So by my reckoning he must be the most decorated Tyrone player ever.

    I remember when he won player of the year as well. Also played in North Americans one summer but I can't mined if they won it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on September 11, 2022, 06:18:11 PM
    A good few Railway Cups too
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on September 19, 2022, 11:31:52 AM
    Mad the amount Stevie O'Neill achieved, but at the same time without injuries he could have done even more. One of the most gifted players there's ever been.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on September 19, 2022, 11:43:00 AM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 19, 2022, 11:31:52 AM
    Mad the amount Stevie O'Neill achieved, but at the same time without injuries he could have done even more. One of the most gifted players there's ever been.

    A real pity Tyrone fans didn't get to see much of him from 2006-2008 through injuries and him leaving the panel.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on October 11, 2022, 06:21:49 AM
    Few articles recently touting Conor Cush for a Tyrone senior role. Anyone else emerging from the championship in with a shout?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 11, 2022, 07:16:10 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on October 11, 2022, 06:21:49 AM
    Few articles recently touting Conor Cush for a Tyrone senior role. Anyone else emerging from the championship in with a shout?

    Cush & Ruairi Canavan have another year with the U20's
    Important they continue to develop with that side, but as a consequence they will both unavailable for the NFL. Cant see management thrust them into Championship action with no league football under the belt.
    Your looking at 2024 before we see R Canavan and Cush in the seniors
    Its been a pretty good championship but not too many have really stood out for me.
    Emmett McNabb was there last year but didn't get a chance due to injury. Id say he deserves a good run at it
    Joe Oguz was there last year as well but seems to have come on a bit, and may get a chance too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on October 13, 2022, 07:43:28 PM
    https://twitter.com/SlickerVideo/status/1580264675559997442?s=20&t=eWxXiik9v8FXIkR10qsMWQ (https://twitter.com/SlickerVideo/status/1580264675559997442?s=20&t=eWxXiik9v8FXIkR10qsMWQ)

    What a summer!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on October 13, 2022, 08:10:00 PM
    Aw jebus but that semi final was the greatest
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on October 14, 2022, 01:14:16 PM
     8)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 15, 2022, 12:19:41 PM
    Quote from: God14 on October 11, 2022, 07:16:10 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on October 11, 2022, 06:21:49 AM
    Few articles recently touting Conor Cush for a Tyrone senior role. Anyone else emerging from the championship in with a shout?

    Cush & Ruairi Canavan have another year with the U20's
    Important they continue to develop with that side, but as a consequence they will both unavailable for the NFL. Cant see management thrust them into Championship action with no league football under the belt.
    Your looking at 2024 before we see R Canavan and Cush in the seniors
    Its been a pretty good championship but not too many have really stood out for me.
    Emmett McNabb was there last year but didn't get a chance due to injury. Id say he deserves a good run at it
    Joe Oguz was there last year as well but seems to have come on a bit, and may get a chance too.
    I would be very surprised if he hasn't got a big role with the Seniors coming, so in my opinion his U20 football is finished. A Forward line of Darragh Canavan playmaking with Ruairi Canavan and McCurry playing off Mattie would be very exciting to watch.
    Only way I don't see that happening is if they talk Mark Bradley back.
    Championship wise not too many have stood out for a call up - Daniel Kerr Galbally has looked good but is he an improvement of what is already there in Emmet McNabb, Michael Conroy and Liam Nugent, probably not that much.
    In terms of League form Paul Donaghy and Tiarnan Quinn would be worth call backs, probably the two best forwards in the league this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on October 15, 2022, 05:20:54 PM
    Monaghan first round 2023
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on October 15, 2022, 05:36:49 PM
    Quote from: Dire Ear on October 15, 2022, 05:20:54 PM
    Monaghan first round 2023

    Not a bad draw. I've a feeling Monaghan will struggle next year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 27, 2022, 05:21:53 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on October 13, 2022, 07:43:28 PM
    https://twitter.com/SlickerVideo/status/1580264675559997442?s=20&t=eWxXiik9v8FXIkR10qsMWQ (https://twitter.com/SlickerVideo/status/1580264675559997442?s=20&t=eWxXiik9v8FXIkR10qsMWQ)

    What a summer!

    That's class! Great to see the goal at the end of the final from that angle. It doesn't seem that long ago really.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on November 01, 2022, 08:40:23 PM
    Any more word on Conor McKenna's move back to Oz?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Never beat the deeler on November 02, 2022, 04:32:30 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on November 01, 2022, 08:40:23 PM
    Any more word on Conor McKenna's move back to Oz?

    also keen to hear if anyone has the inside word on this.
    Not a lot being reported here in Aus, rumours still circulating that a move to Geelong is on the cards.
    https://www.zerohanger.com/geelong-well-placed-to-secure-former-essendon-defender-conor-mckenna-129466/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on November 02, 2022, 01:01:30 PM
    Quote from: Never beat the deeler on November 02, 2022, 04:32:30 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on November 01, 2022, 08:40:23 PM
    Any more word on Conor McKenna's move back to Oz?

    also keen to hear if anyone has the inside word on this.
    Not a lot being reported here in Aus, rumours still circulating that a move to Geelong is on the cards.
    https://www.zerohanger.com/geelong-well-placed-to-secure-former-essendon-defender-conor-mckenna-129466/

    He's definitely going. He was speaking with a few clubs AFAIK.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 02, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
    Last year's panel of 45 (ages they will be at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Darragh McAnenly, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Padraig McNulty

    29 - Darren McCurry, Johnny Munroe
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, Sean Loughran

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Conor McKenna, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, Liam Rafferty, Nathan Donnelly, Ryan Coleman, Peter Teague
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Ryan McCusker, Emmett McNabb

    23 - Liam Nugent
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Cormac Munroe, Conor Quinn, Michael Conroy, Lorcan Quinn, Matthew Murnaghan, Joe Oguz
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Steve Donaghy, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan

    Apart from McKenna are we likely to lose many of these players?
    Now that the championships are out of the way are there many put their hands up for inclusion?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 02, 2022, 02:16:34 PM
    Quote from: trailer on November 02, 2022, 01:01:30 PM
    Quote from: Never beat the deeler on November 02, 2022, 04:32:30 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on November 01, 2022, 08:40:23 PM
    Any more word on Conor McKenna's move back to Oz?

    also keen to hear if anyone has the inside word on this.
    Not a lot being reported here in Aus, rumours still circulating that a move to Geelong is on the cards.
    https://www.zerohanger.com/geelong-well-placed-to-secure-former-essendon-defender-conor-mckenna-129466/

    He's definitely going. He was speaking with a few clubs AFAIK.

    Id guess its all smoke & daggers to get the best financial package. This will in all likelihood be his final AFL contract, and as he is available as a free agent, he has some leverage to use at the present time
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeGoAgain on November 02, 2022, 03:00:40 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 02, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
    Last year's panel of 45 (ages they will be at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Darragh McAnenly, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Padraig McNulty

    29 - Darren McCurry, Johnny Munroe
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, Sean Loughran

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Conor McKenna, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, Liam Rafferty, Nathan Donnelly, Ryan Coleman, Peter Teague
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Ryan McCusker, Emmett McNabb

    23 - Liam Nugent
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Cormac Munroe, Conor Quinn, Michael Conroy, Lorcan Quinn, Matthew Murnaghan, Joe Oguz
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Steve Donaghy, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan

    Apart from McKenna are we likely to lose many of these players?
    Now that the championships are out of the way are there many put their hands up for inclusion?

    From the games that I had seen the main players to stand out were the county men already on the panel. If there were to be additions to the squad you would imagine they would come from the u20s this year with the likes of Conway, McHugh, Cush to be added with the players already called up from last years team.

    Will Paudie McNulty give the county another go next year? He suffered a horrible injury which was massively disappointing for him and meant he never got a run at it.

    I would like to see more of Peter Teague in the league anyway. I don't remember him playing much league football for Tyrone last year. Was he injured?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 02, 2022, 09:01:00 PM
    Quote from: WeGoAgain on November 02, 2022, 03:00:40 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on November 02, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 02, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
    Last year's panel of 45 (ages they will be at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Darragh McAnenly, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Padraig McNulty

    29 - Darren McCurry, Johnny Munroe
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, Sean Loughran

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Conor McKenna, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, Liam Rafferty, Nathan Donnelly, Ryan Coleman, Peter Teague
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Ryan McCusker, Emmett McNabb

    23 - Liam Nugent
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Cormac Munroe, Conor Quinn, Michael Conroy, Lorcan Quinn, Matthew Murnaghan, Joe Oguz
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Steve Donaghy, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan

    Apart from McKenna are we likely to lose many of these players?
    Now that the championships are out of the way are there many put their hands up for inclusion?

    From the games that I had seen the main players to stand out were the county men already on the panel. If there were to be additions to the squad you would imagine they would come from the u20s this year with the likes of Conway, McHugh, Cush to be added with the players already called up from last years team.

    Will Paudie McNulty give the county another go next year? He suffered a horrible injury which was massively disappointing for him and meant he never got a run at it.

    I would like to see more of Peter Teague in the league anyway. I don't remember him playing much league football for Tyrone last year. Was he injured?
    A number of players could be looking at call ups: Nathan McCarron (Dromore) Aidan Clarke (Omagh) Neil Kilpatrick (Edendork) Ruairi Slane (Carrickmore) Tiarnan Quinn (Coalisland) Ryan and Dailey Jones (Dungannon)
    Potential recall in the form of Paul Donaghy (Dungannon)
    The hopeful return of Mark Bradley.
    Players who have put themselves in a position for bigger opportunities in 2023: Joe Oguz (Errigal) Peter Teague (Dromore) Emmet McNabb (Dromore) Conor Quinn (Galbally)
    Obviously then Ruairi Canavan.

    Lot of players there to shake things up and freshen the panel and starting team through McKenna Cup, League and then Championship hopefully.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: superstar_ on November 03, 2022, 10:15:44 AM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 02, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
    Last year's panel of 45 (ages they will be at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Darragh McAnenly, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Padraig McNulty

    29 - Darren McCurry, Johnny Munroe
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, Sean Loughran

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Conor McKenna, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, Liam Rafferty, Nathan Donnelly, Ryan Coleman, Peter Teague
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Ryan McCusker, Emmett McNabb

    23 - Liam Nugent
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Cormac Munroe, Conor Quinn, Michael Conroy, Lorcan Quinn, Matthew Murnaghan, Joe Oguz
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Steve Donaghy, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan
    Conor McKenna returning to Australia. Ben McDonnell is going travelling.

    Lot of dead wood around the panel looking at that list.

    Will Richie Donnelly and Padraig McNulty bother to continue giving their injury record?
    Is there much point in Johnny Munroe and Sean Loughran continuing to commit given their age and standing in the squad?
    Are the likes of Matthew Murnaghan, Liam Nugent, Ryan Coleman, Conor Shields and Ryan McCusker wasting their time remaining on the squad for McKenna cup appearences?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on November 03, 2022, 10:51:32 AM
    Conor McKenna taking Michael McGleenan to Oz with him to play the old rules!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 03, 2022, 11:09:40 AM
    Quote from: superstar_ on November 03, 2022, 10:15:44 AM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on September 02, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
    Last year's panel of 45 (ages they will be at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Darragh McAnenly, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly, Padraig McNulty

    29 - Darren McCurry, Johnny Munroe
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane, Sean Loughran

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Ben McDonnell, Conor McKenna, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, Liam Rafferty, Nathan Donnelly, Ryan Coleman, Peter Teague
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Ryan McCusker, Emmett McNabb

    23 - Liam Nugent
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Cormac Munroe, Conor Quinn, Michael Conroy, Lorcan Quinn, Matthew Murnaghan, Joe Oguz
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Steve Donaghy, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan
    Conor McKenna returning to Australia. Ben McDonnell is going travelling.

    Lot of dead wood around the panel looking at that list.

    Will Richie Donnelly and Padraig McNulty bother to continue giving their injury record?
    Is there much point in Johnny Munroe and Sean Loughran continuing to commit given their age and standing in the squad?
    Are the likes of Matthew Murnaghan, Liam Nugent, Ryan Coleman, Conor Shields and Ryan McCusker wasting their time remaining on the squad for McKenna cup appearences?

    Good post.

    It feels odd in that we won the All Ireland 14 months ago, but generally a substantial rebuild of the squad feels inevitable & increasingly required.
    We have a fantastic pool of talent in the county currently I feel between 17 – 21 age bracket, as good as anytime since 1997-2001.  But its still too soon for the core of that group to be considered for Division 1 Senior Intercounty football.
    My hopes for next year would be :
    1.   Canavan Bros to stay fit.
    2.   Ruairi & Conor Cush to concentrate on U20's – join senior set up once the U20's is complete.
    3.   Recall for David Mulgrew, Ardboe. Call up for Nathan McCarron, Dromore. Opportunities for both in McKenna & NFL alongside Emmett McNabb, Peter Teague, Joe Oguz and Galballys Conor Quinn.   
    Out of those 8 players you would hope 3 or maybe even 4 would really grasp the chance and make the step up to first teamers
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on November 03, 2022, 11:56:09 AM
    https://youtu.be/BuCyHANzkao (https://youtu.be/BuCyHANzkao)

    More 95 footage, nearly an hour this time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on November 03, 2022, 12:32:44 PM
    I think the ship has sailed at u20s for Ruairi Canavan. He's already starred and won at that level and now is one of the main men with the county champions. I think he would learn more being involved in the senior set up from the word go this year particularly as we were very short on forward options last year.

    You would definitely be hoping a few of the fringe players can take it up another level this year. The likes of Conor Quinn, Peter Teague, Joe Oguz, Rory Donnelly, Emmett McNabb all had good club championships. I seen a right bit of the club championship at every level and I would say that we have the best players in the county already involved.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 03, 2022, 02:39:12 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on November 03, 2022, 12:32:44 PM
    I think the ship has sailed at u20s for Ruairi Canavan. He's already starred and won at that level and now is one of the main men with the county champions. I think he would learn more being involved in the senior set up from the word go this year particularly as we were very short on forward options last year.

    You would definitely be hoping a few of the fringe players can take it up another level this year. The likes of Conor Quinn, Peter Teague, Joe Oguz, Rory Donnelly, Emmett McNabb all had good club championships. I seen a right bit of the club championship at every level and I would say that we have the best players in the county already involved.
    Completely agree. Also think it would be more beneficial to the U20s to play without him. More than capable of winning it without Canavan and it will mean others will have to step up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on November 04, 2022, 05:54:47 PM
    Looks like provisional league fixtures are as follows:

    Round 1: Sunday January 29th
    Tyrone v Roscommon away.

    Round 2: Sat Feb 4th/Sun Feb 9th
    Tyrone v Donegal home.

    Round 3: Sat Feb 17th/ Sun Feb 18th.
    Tyrone v Galway home.

    Round 4: Sat Feb 25th/Sun Feb 26th.
    Tyrone v Mayo away.

    Round 5: Sat March 4th/Sun March 5th.
    Tyrone v Kerry home.

    Round 6: Sat March 18th/Sun March 19th.
    Tyrone v Monaghan away.

    Round 7: Sunday March 26th.
    Tyrone v Armagh home.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: laceer on November 06, 2022, 11:34:48 AM
    Peter Donnelly stepping away from seniors according to Irish News.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on November 06, 2022, 01:18:26 PM
    Think tyrone will struggle over the next few years. Need to do some rebuilding with some of the senior members naturally stepping away in the next year or so. Need a big year from mcshane next year if there is any hope of staying competitive.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on November 07, 2022, 11:09:30 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on November 06, 2022, 01:18:26 PM
    Think tyrone will struggle over the next few years. Need to do some rebuilding with some of the senior members naturally stepping away in the next year or so. Need a big year from mcshane next year if there is any hope of staying competitive.

    Agree with McShane. If he can't hold a place in the team, you have think he's not going to ever be that consistent threat that we need.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on November 07, 2022, 11:24:33 AM
    Quote from: trailer on November 07, 2022, 11:09:30 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on November 06, 2022, 01:18:26 PM
    Think tyrone will struggle over the next few years. Need to do some rebuilding with some of the senior members naturally stepping away in the next year or so. Need a big year from mcshane next year if there is any hope of staying competitive.

    Agree with McShane. If he can't hold a place in the team, you have think he's not going to ever be that consistent threat that we need.
    I don't see a place in my strongest Tyrone team for McShane. I see Tyrone's strongest forward line as being Conor Meyler, Darragh Canavan, Niall Sludden, Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly and Ruairi Canavan. I think McShanes best role is his 2021 role coming into games as an impact.

    My team would look something like:
    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey
    Frank Burns Peter Harte Kieran McGeary
    Brian Kennedy Conn Kilpatrick
    Conor Meyler Darragh Canavan Niall Sludden
    Darren McCurry Mattie Donnelly Ruairi Canavan

    Would love to see Peter Teague, Aidan Clarke, Emmett McNabb and Joe Oguz put together good league campaigns and then be in a position to offer something to the team come championship.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on November 07, 2022, 12:06:49 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 07, 2022, 11:24:33 AM
    Quote from: trailer on November 07, 2022, 11:09:30 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on November 06, 2022, 01:18:26 PM
    Think tyrone will struggle over the next few years. Need to do some rebuilding with some of the senior members naturally stepping away in the next year or so. Need a big year from mcshane next year if there is any hope of staying competitive.

    Agree with McShane. If he can't hold a place in the team, you have think he's not going to ever be that consistent threat that we need.
    I don't see a place in my strongest Tyrone team for McShane. I see Tyrone's strongest forward line as being Conor Meyler, Darragh Canavan, Niall Sludden, Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly and Ruairi Canavan. I think McShanes best role is his 2021 role coming into games as an impact.

    My team would look something like:
    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey
    Frank Burns Peter Harte Kieran McGeary
    Brian Kennedy Conn Kilpatrick
    Conor Meyler Darragh Canavan Niall Sludden
    Darren McCurry Mattie Donnelly Ruairi Canavan

    Would love to see Peter Teague, Aidan Clarke, Emmett McNabb and Joe Oguz put together good league campaigns and then be in a position to offer something to the team come championship.

    Not sure about Mattie. Brilliant player but he's the wrong age now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on November 07, 2022, 12:19:37 PM
    Bit harsh on McShane, no? I can understand he's been off the pace the last two years but he still have the raw ability and physical attributes to be a real wrecking ball up front. If fully fit and gets back to some sort of form he's an automatic starter for me.

    Think it's a bit early to think Ruairi will be starting. More likely he will play the sub role rather than McShane. Give him time and ease the pressure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Keyboard Warrior on November 07, 2022, 12:50:25 PM
    Quote from: trailer on November 07, 2022, 12:06:49 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 07, 2022, 11:24:33 AM
    Quote from: trailer on November 07, 2022, 11:09:30 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on November 06, 2022, 01:18:26 PM
    Think tyrone will struggle over the next few years. Need to do some rebuilding with some of the senior members naturally stepping away in the next year or so. Need a big year from mcshane next year if there is any hope of staying competitive.

    Agree with McShane. If he can't hold a place in the team, you have think he's not going to ever be that consistent threat that we need.
    I don't see a place in my strongest Tyrone team for McShane. I see Tyrone's strongest forward line as being Conor Meyler, Darragh Canavan, Niall Sludden, Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly and Ruairi Canavan. I think McShanes best role is his 2021 role coming into games as an impact.

    My team would look something like:
    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey
    Frank Burns Peter Harte Kieran McGeary
    Brian Kennedy Conn Kilpatrick
    Conor Meyler Darragh Canavan Niall Sludden
    Darren McCurry Mattie Donnelly Ruairi Canavan

    Would love to see Peter Teague, Aidan Clarke, Emmett McNabb and Joe Oguz put together good league campaigns and then be in a position to offer something to the team come championship.

    Not sure about Mattie. Brilliant player but he's the wrong age now.

    He is the same age as Peter Harte.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on November 07, 2022, 01:14:14 PM
    I thin Joe Oguz could break into a half fwd role in that setup, great potential
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on November 08, 2022, 10:53:37 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on November 01, 2022, 08:40:23 PM
    Any more word on Conor McKenna's move back to Oz?

    https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-emerge-as-late-contender-to-sign-former-essendon-speedster-conor-mckenna-c-8794848

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Eire90 on November 09, 2022, 10:55:50 AM
    McShane got a cushy job out of it anyway.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on November 15, 2022, 12:39:30 PM

    Quote from: tyrone08 on November 06, 2022, 01:18:26 PM

    My team would look something like:
    Niall Morgan
    Michael McKernan Ronan McNamee Padraig Hampsey
    Frank Burns Peter Harte Kieran McGeary
    Brian Kennedy Conn Kilpatrick
    Conor Meyler Darragh Canavan Niall Sludden
    Darren McCurry Mattie Donnelly Ruairi Canavan


    Maybe those are the best 6 forwards that Tyrone would have, but there's too many small boys.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on November 15, 2022, 02:14:00 PM
    Feel changes so the certs at the moment

    Morgan
    McKernan Ronan McNamee Hampsey
      X            Harte                X
    Kennedy Kilpatrick
    Meyler    D. Canavan        X
    McCurry  X                      X


    Obviously top form and fully fit Sludden, Burns, McGeary, Burns and Donnelly (Injuries) will start but will be interesting to see. The half backs and half forwards are key positions and Tyrone were exposed a little here last year I felt.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on November 15, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
    Ronan mcnamee no cert

    What about Morgan at 14
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The_Slug on November 16, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
    Have there be any men dropped from the panel or word of new men brought in? Probably too early for that yet to be fair
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on November 16, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
    Have there be any men dropped from the panel or word of new men brought in? Probably too early for that yet to be fair
    Nathan McCarron (Dromore)
    Aidan Clarke (Omagh)
    Eoin Corry (Omagh)
    Conor Cush (Donaghmore)
    Dailagh Jones (Dungannon)
    Ryan Jones (Dungannon)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on November 17, 2022, 08:08:25 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on November 16, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
    Have there be any men dropped from the panel or word of new men brought in? Probably too early for that yet to be fair
    Nathan McCarron (Dromore)
    Aidan Clarke (Omagh)
    Eoin Corry (Omagh)
    Conor Cush (Donaghmore)
    Dailagh Jones (Dungannon)
    Ryan Jones (Dungannon)


    Scored 1-7 for UUJ last night. 1-5 from play.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redhandloo on November 17, 2022, 10:58:19 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on November 16, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
    Have there be any men dropped from the panel or word of new men brought in? Probably too early for that yet to be fair
    Nathan McCarron (Dromore)
    Aidan Clarke (Omagh)
    Eoin Corry (Omagh)
    Conor Cush (Donaghmore)
    Dailagh Jones (Dungannon)
    Ryan Jones (Dungannon)

    DD Mulgrew
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on November 17, 2022, 01:40:57 PM
    What do you mean by that?
    Cushy job? Honestly. What do you expect from these players? His contributions won us an all-Ireland and for him to do that he must have made untold sacrifices.
    He turned down a gig in Oz.
    He takes a dip in form and there are people on here saying he's not good enough.
    Damed if you do and damned if you don't.

    No doubt you're the hardest working man your family has ever produced, aye?

    Quote from: Eire90 on November 09, 2022, 10:55:50 AM
    McShane got a cushy job out of it anyway.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on November 17, 2022, 11:07:19 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on November 08, 2022, 10:53:37 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on November 01, 2022, 08:40:23 PM
    Any more word on Conor McKenna's move back to Oz?

    https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-emerge-as-late-contender-to-sign-former-essendon-speedster-conor-mckenna-c-8794848

    Brisbane Lions by the look of it. https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1117/1336695-tyrones-conor-mckenna-set-to-join-brisbane-lions/?fbclid=IwAR30R_a3kHLlD6gGQKRs5fteFvtbeqi0UaGL2931uoGQIjHnEc6mBVf9le8
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: superstar_ on November 20, 2022, 12:41:34 PM
    Quote from: redhandloo on November 17, 2022, 10:58:19 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on November 16, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
    Have there be any men dropped from the panel or word of new men brought in? Probably too early for that yet to be fair
    Nathan McCarron (Dromore)
    Aidan Clarke (Omagh)
    Eoin Corry (Omagh)
    Conor Cush (Donaghmore)
    Dailagh Jones (Dungannon)
    Ryan Jones (Dungannon)

    DD Mulgrew
    How many times are we going to go down this road and think this time will be any different. Cut your losses on this one.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on November 20, 2022, 01:30:45 PM
    Quote from: superstar_ on November 20, 2022, 12:41:34 PM
    Quote from: redhandloo on November 17, 2022, 10:58:19 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on November 16, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
    Have there be any men dropped from the panel or word of new men brought in? Probably too early for that yet to be fair
    Nathan McCarron (Dromore)
    Aidan Clarke (Omagh)
    Eoin Corry (Omagh)
    Conor Cush (Donaghmore)
    Dailagh Jones (Dungannon)
    Ryan Jones (Dungannon)

    DD Mulgrew
    How many times are we going to go down this road and think this time will be any different. Cut your losses on this one.

    Where and how's he playing for ardboe?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 20, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
    Quote from: superstar_ on November 20, 2022, 12:41:34 PM
    Quote from: redhandloo on November 17, 2022, 10:58:19 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on November 16, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
    Have there be any men dropped from the panel or word of new men brought in? Probably too early for that yet to be fair
    Nathan McCarron (Dromore)
    Aidan Clarke (Omagh)
    Eoin Corry (Omagh)
    Conor Cush (Donaghmore)
    Dailagh Jones (Dungannon)
    Ryan Jones (Dungannon)

    DD Mulgrew
    How many times are we going to go down this road and think this time will be any different. Cut your losses on this one.

    Very harsh, he's had an injury free run this year and was easily Ardboe best player anytime I seen them. I actually said a few pages back I hoped he'd get a recall.

    Noticeable also Fergal and Brian were at alot of the games. The best players in the championship who were not already panelists have been invited along

    I guess the serious decisions will come in January when they need to cut numbers down. I hope they go with a smaller panel this year, last year's was a bit of a joke with 40 odd players. 32 is plenty
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Coddfather on November 20, 2022, 02:35:13 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on November 15, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
    Ronan mcnamee no cert

    What about Morgan at 14

    Would be mediocre at best as an outfield at inter County level
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on November 20, 2022, 04:15:48 PM
    Quote from: superstar_ on November 20, 2022, 12:41:34 PM
    Quote from: redhandloo on November 17, 2022, 10:58:19 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on November 16, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
    Quote from: The_Slug on November 16, 2022, 09:51:04 AM
    Have there be any men dropped from the panel or word of new men brought in? Probably too early for that yet to be fair
    Nathan McCarron (Dromore)
    Aidan Clarke (Omagh)
    Eoin Corry (Omagh)
    Conor Cush (Donaghmore)
    Dailagh Jones (Dungannon)
    Ryan Jones (Dungannon)

    DD Mulgrew
    How many times are we going to go down this road and think this time will be any different. Cut your losses on this one.

    Mulgrew has been excellent for Ardboe for a couple of years now.
    Definitely worth a look
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on November 20, 2022, 10:37:31 PM
    Is DD playing inside or out the pitch? Cush is a player who has got better everytime I seen him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on November 24, 2022, 06:49:47 PM
    Add to that list above Benny Gallen.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 01, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
    Have Tyrone released their 2023 National League/ master fixtures yet?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on December 01, 2022, 02:51:54 PM
    Think the McKenna cup draw is tomorrow
    No universities again, so 3 groups of 3 counties
    2 games to be played across the following 3 dates
      Weds 4th Jan
      Sunday 8th Jan
      Weds 11th Jan

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 01, 2022, 06:51:45 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 01, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
    Have Tyrone released their 2023 National League/ master fixtures yet?

    From Roundball a few pages back Norf, and not sure that anything official has been published just yet:

    Quote from: RoundBall on November 04, 2022, 05:54:47 PM
    Looks like provisional league fixtures are as follows:

    Round 1: Sunday January 29th
    Tyrone v Roscommon away.

    Round 2: Sat Feb 4th/Sun Feb 9th
    Tyrone v Donegal home.

    Round 3: Sat Feb 17th/ Sun Feb 18th.
    Tyrone v Galway home.

    Round 4: Sat Feb 25th/Sun Feb 26th.
    Tyrone v Mayo away.

    Round 5: Sat March 4th/Sun March 5th.
    Tyrone v Kerry home.

    Round 6: Sat March 18th/Sun March 19th.
    Tyrone v Monaghan away.

    Round 7: Sunday March 26th.
    Tyrone v Armagh home.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 02, 2022, 10:43:46 AM
    Quote from: the_daddy on December 02, 2022, 12:15:43 AM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 01, 2022, 06:51:45 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 01, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
    Have Tyrone released their 2023 National League/ master fixtures yet?

    From Roundball a few pages back Norf, and not sure that anything official has been published just yet:

    Quote from: RoundBall on November 04, 2022, 05:54:47 PM
    Looks like provisional league fixtures are as follows:

    Round 1: Sunday January 29th
    Tyrone v Roscommon away.

    Round 2: Sat Feb 4th/Sun Feb 9th
    Tyrone v Donegal home.

    Round 3: Sat Feb 17th/ Sun Feb 18th.
    Tyrone v Galway home.

    Round 4: Sat Feb 25th/Sun Feb 26th.
    Tyrone v Mayo away.

    Round 5: Sat March 4th/Sun March 5th.
    Tyrone v Kerry home.

    Round 6: Sat March 18th/Sun March 19th.
    Tyrone v Monaghan away.

    Round 7: Sunday March 26th.
    Tyrone v Armagh home.
    The Galway is in Tuam according to one of the Galway pages.

    Cheers lads. Dates on them are a bit all over the place but I get the gist.

    Was hoping the Sat or Sun query was closed at this point.

    Thanks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on December 02, 2022, 09:11:14 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 02, 2022, 10:43:46 AM
    Quote from: the_daddy on December 02, 2022, 12:15:43 AM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 01, 2022, 06:51:45 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 01, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
    Have Tyrone released their 2023 National League/ master fixtures yet?

    From Roundball a few pages back Norf, and not sure that anything official has been published just yet:

    Quote from: RoundBall on November 04, 2022, 05:54:47 PM
    Looks like provisional league fixtures are as follows:

    Round 1: Sunday January 29th
    Tyrone v Roscommon away.

    Round 2: Sat Feb 4th/Sun Feb 9th
    Tyrone v Donegal home.

    Round 3: Sat Feb 17th/ Sun Feb 18th.
    Tyrone v Galway home.

    Round 4: Sat Feb 25th/Sun Feb 26th.
    Tyrone v Mayo away.

    Round 5: Sat March 4th/Sun March 5th.
    Tyrone v Kerry home.

    Round 6: Sat March 18th/Sun March 19th.
    Tyrone v Monaghan away.

    Round 7: Sunday March 26th.
    Tyrone v Armagh home.
    The Galway is in Tuam according to one of the Galway pages.

    Cheers lads. Dates on them are a bit all over the place but I get the gist.

    Was hoping the Sat or Sun query was closed at this point.

    Thanks

    Heard Mayo was the only game on a Saturday. Others all Sunday. But Master fixture schedule to be released next week
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: superstar_ on December 04, 2022, 07:36:29 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on November 24, 2022, 06:49:47 PM
    Add to that list above Benny Gallen.
    Maybe a silly question but is he called up as an outfield player or goalkeeper? He has turned himself into a top outfield player at club level and probably deserving of a call up on the back of those performances.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on December 05, 2022, 09:47:26 AM
    Just seen the list of runners and riders for the county board in 2023. Match confidence with ability and Tyrone would be flying.

    Men running for 2 positions...?

    Monkey tennis anyone?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on December 09, 2022, 01:30:48 AM
    Rory Brennan gone ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on December 09, 2022, 08:39:02 AM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on December 09, 2022, 01:30:48 AM
    Rory Brennan gone ?

    Seen that.

    Thats a real blow. A Quality & proven operator, in his prime at 28.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on December 09, 2022, 02:12:59 PM
    Another player down. Training taking a big hit I'm sure but new breed incoming fast
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on December 09, 2022, 03:19:22 PM
    New breed coming fast but it will take them time to get adjusted to senior county football. The fitness required, physical difference and time required all takes time to adapt to.
    Not easy and, we are not even guaranteed that these lads coming through will stick it out and stay onboard for a few years at least.

    Rory Brennan was a top quality player, never let Tyrone down in a variety of defensive positions.

    He never fully recovered either physically or mentally from the covid episode which resulted in him having to sit out the Ulster final (named at CHB) & AI semi final in 2021 and then missing out on the AI final despite the fact he was fit & available again. In fairness, that would have been tough to accept for any player. I think Richie Donnelly suffered the same fate
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Keyboard Warrior on December 09, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on December 09, 2022, 03:19:22 PM
    New breed coming fast but it will take them time to get adjusted to senior county football. The fitness required, physical difference and time required all takes time to adapt to.
    Not easy and, we are not even guaranteed that these lads coming through will stick it out and stay onboard for a few years at least.

    Rory Brennan was a top quality player, never let Tyrone down in a variety of defensive positions.

    He never fully recovered either physically or mentally from the covid episode which resulted in him having to sit out the Ulster final (named at CHB) & AI semi final in 2021 and then missing out on the AI final despite the fact he was fit & available again. In fairness, that would have been tough to accept for any player. I think Richie Donnelly suffered the same fate

    You clearly didn't watch him him for Trillick this year. Rory seemed to be in the shape of his life this season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on December 09, 2022, 05:24:31 PM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on December 09, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on December 09, 2022, 03:19:22 PM
    New breed coming fast but it will take them time to get adjusted to senior county football. The fitness required, physical difference and time required all takes time to adapt to.
    Not easy and, we are not even guaranteed that these lads coming through will stick it out and stay onboard for a few years at least.

    Rory Brennan was a top quality player, never let Tyrone down in a variety of defensive positions.

    He never fully recovered either physically or mentally from the covid episode which resulted in him having to sit out the Ulster final (named at CHB) & AI semi final in 2021 and then missing out on the AI final despite the fact he was fit & available again. In fairness, that would have been tough to accept for any player. I think Richie Donnelly suffered the same fate

    You clearly didn't watch him him for Trillick this year. Rory seemed to be in the shape of his life this season.

    Agree was in great shape and was holding nothing back. Felt his best spot would be a man marker and will for sure be a miss
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on December 09, 2022, 07:36:58 PM
    That's another man down - a good few men have left the panel now for various reasons.
    Hopefully the new men will slot in and step up at the same time
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on December 10, 2022, 09:03:28 AM
    Damning of management that so many have opted out. Can't remember so many doing this under all MH years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on December 10, 2022, 09:36:46 AM
    Plenty left under MH for various reasons.People leave for different reasons.Remember the sacrifices that players make to be part of a county panel nowadays.For some its there life for others its a pastime.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Degrassi Hi on December 10, 2022, 10:37:05 AM
    Many did leave under the MH regime. He lost 5 or 6 from East Tyrone on one night. But, MH seemed to be capable of holding on to the bulk of players from his successful minor & u21 squads but this doesn't seem to be the case with regards to the current set-up with the likes of the two Brennans & Bradley turning their backs on them. A real shame to lose all of them but their clubs will benefit.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on December 11, 2022, 10:22:36 PM
    Its very easy to hold onto lads that don't have the medal and squad that was just good enough to do it if they got a break - Logan and Dooher got them over the line and it looks like a lot of them are happy with their lot or don't want to sit around on the bench (bar Bradley). I think it could be a rough enough 2-3 years as the more established and dominant players transition out and the younger lads get their feet - as there is nothing but potential atm
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on December 11, 2022, 11:06:08 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on December 11, 2022, 10:22:36 PM
    Its very easy to hold onto lads that don't have the medal and squad that was just good enough to do it if they got a break - Logan and Dooher got them over the line and it looks like a lot of them are happy with their lot or don't want to sit around on the bench (bar Bradley). I think it could be a rough enough 2-3 years as the more established and dominant players transition out and the younger lads get their feet - as there is nothing but potential atm

    Would agree. Thought dooher and Co would take a few years to rebuild however I think the AI masked over the cracks. They will need time and I think the best thing we can hope for is an ulster championship which will be difficult.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on December 12, 2022, 06:20:59 PM
    The dates and times of our national league games as per the GAA master fixture plan:
    May be subject to change for TV I'm not too sure, but this is what they are as stands.

    Roscommon v Tyrone, Hyde Park Roscommon (Round 1) – Sunday 29th January 1:30pm
    Tyrone v Donegal, Healy Park Omagh (Round 2) – Sunday 5th February 2:00pm
    Galway v Tyrone, St Jarlath's Park Tuam (Round 3) – Sunday 19th February 1:45pm
    Mayo v Tyrone, MacHale Park Castlebar (Round 4) – Saturday 25th February 7:00pm
    Tyrone v Kerry, Healy Park Omagh (Round 5) – Sunday 5th March 12:45pm
    Monaghan v Tyrone, St Tiernach's Park Clones (Round 6) – Sunday 19th March 2:00pm
    Tyrone v Armagh, Healy Park Omagh (Round 7) – Sunday 26th March 1:45pm

    Allianz National League Finals (Top 2 in each division) - Saturday 1st April / Sunday 2nd April


    Ulster Quarter Final v Monaghan on Sunday 16th April
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on December 13, 2022, 08:20:28 PM
    Fermanagh and Derry in the McKenna Cup.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on December 20, 2022, 09:05:44 PM
    Any update on new faces in the Senior panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2023, 12:17:56 PM
    Any word at all of a McKenna Cup panel? I think it's bad form they don't release a panel at all to at least give recognition to the boys called up. It was a guessing game as to who was in the extended panel last year. Hard to know what kind of line up we'll see on Wednesday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on January 02, 2023, 02:27:31 PM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2023, 12:17:56 PM
    Any word at all of a McKenna Cup panel? I think it's bad form they don't release a panel at all to at least give recognition to the boys called up. It was a guessing game as to who was in the extended panel last year. Hard to know what kind of line up we'll see on Wednesday.

    Current management team have no manners when it comes to naming championship teams and panels they are hardly going to do it for mckenna cup
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2023, 03:25:15 PM
    Yeah that was my point about last year. Can't understand all the secrecy. Extended panel members deserve recognition for work they're putting in.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 02, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
    It'll prob take a year or two to come out, but fairly amateurush set up is what I am hearing time & again. Won Sam and earned huge credit, by making some genuine excellent tweaks to an existing set up.
    I have little faith in current management arrangement to be honest. Some really underwhelming reports

    Joint managers... Really?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on January 02, 2023, 07:13:17 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
    It'll prob take a year or two to come out, but fairly amateurush set up is what I am hearing time & again. Won Sam and earned huge credit, by making some genuine excellent tweaks to an existing set up.
    I have little faith in current management arrangement to be honest. Some really underwhelming reports

    Joint managers... Really?

    Aye really. You are hearing @@@@ all. Stop stirring
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on January 02, 2023, 08:29:10 PM
    Tbf to the above poster I hear the exact same.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on January 02, 2023, 09:00:20 PM
    Come on then, spill the beans
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on January 02, 2023, 09:19:23 PM
    Ah lads you're all wile craic.
    I heard this, I heard that.
    They have won 1 all Ireland from 2 attempts.
    Fairly decent return to be fair
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on January 02, 2023, 09:22:45 PM
    Quote from: smort on January 02, 2023, 09:00:20 PM
    Come on then, spill the beans

    They won't !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on January 02, 2023, 10:22:41 PM
    Yes they beat Donegal Monaghan Kerry and Mayo last year due to lack of training and intensity....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on January 02, 2023, 10:27:26 PM
    God14 why did you delete that post ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 03, 2023, 02:38:46 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
    It'll prob take a year or two to come out, but fairly amateurush set up is what I am hearing time & again. Won Sam and earned huge credit, by making some genuine excellent tweaks to an existing set up.
    I have little faith in current management arrangement to be honest. Some really underwhelming reports

    Joint managers... Really?
    [/quot

    Is this true? Seems a good line up of coaches behind dooher and logan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 03, 2023, 03:10:06 PM
    Harte fanboys on the march I see. His cult knows no ends.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on January 03, 2023, 03:18:14 PM
    I know it's only a McKenna Cup (but it was same throughout league and championship last year) but should the PRO not be pushing to get a line up/squad out for these games. Help get a bit of media coverage and discussion which could get a few more through the gates. If someone was making their debut tomorrow night it could get a few more club members in attendance if new in advance. I see full details on all the players called into the Kerry panel widely available.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 03, 2023, 06:14:28 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
    It'll prob take a year or two to come out, but fairly amateurush set up is what I am hearing time & again. Won Sam and earned huge credit, by making some genuine excellent tweaks to an existing set up.
    I have little faith in current management arrangement to be honest. Some really underwhelming reports

    Joint managers... Really?

    Only one manager in reality is what I've heard.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on January 03, 2023, 07:05:04 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 03, 2023, 06:14:28 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
    It'll prob take a year or two to come out, but fairly amateurush set up is what I am hearing time & again. Won Sam and earned huge credit, by making some genuine excellent tweaks to an existing set up.
    I have little faith in current management arrangement to be honest. Some really underwhelming reports

    Joint managers... Really?

    Only one manager in reality is what I've heard.

    If one of the two is more dominant than the other, is that an issue ?

    People love to get annoyed about sh#t

    No one complained when they won the All Ireland
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 03, 2023, 07:36:29 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 03, 2023, 06:14:28 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
    It'll prob take a year or two to come out, but fairly amateurush set up is what I am hearing time & again. Won Sam and earned huge credit, by making some genuine excellent tweaks to an existing set up.
    I have little faith in current management arrangement to be honest. Some really underwhelming reports

    Joint managers... Really?


    Only one manager in reality is what I've heard.

    Which one?

    Looking forward to the season ahead. I'd be expecting a reaction to last years performances for sure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on January 03, 2023, 10:06:14 PM
    For the non twitter users...

    https://twitter.com/SlickerVideo/status/1610335210226212864?t=Vhe6SVtkWO7jsqiQmJdxxg&s=19
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 04, 2023, 12:19:23 AM
    The danger with giving out no information is that it can leave a vacuum that people fill with the kind of rumours on the previous page. It might only be the McKenna Cup but some info on the panel should have been announced before now.

    Will be very interesting to see who is on the panel and how Tyrone do in the McKenna Cup. I wouldn't be so harsh on the management and team about last season. They won an unexpected but well deserved All Ireland - the culmination of years of work for a lot of men on the team - and rightly celebrated it. With the US trip and early start to the season they rolled straight into the new campaign, made a slow start and never got any momentum thereafter. As disappointing as it was, it was understandable.

    It's a different scenario now and after a few months away from the inter county scene and with some excellent young players coming through Tyrone should be looking to do much better in the months ahead. I wouldn't be expecting them to be flying at this stage but hopefully we can use these games to try and set ourselves up for the league starting. In truth Tyrone were a bit of a shambles in the McKenna Cup last year.

    As for the management team, obviously a big year for them but again, but for the changes they made in 2021 there was no way Tyrone would have won that All Ireland. Even if this season was to be a disaster they have already delivered a huge achievement, but the fact they did that and they way they did gives me hope that they can put last year behind them and kick on this season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 04, 2023, 10:27:23 AM
    https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/

    Shockingly poor social media coverage of the McKenna Cup from all concerned - Tyrone GAA, Ulster GAA....

    No teams, no panels, only found this link by pure chance on another board page

    Surely the Ulster GAA can publicise their competitions better than this! Even tell all counties to release panels prior to the competition starting to let public know who is on squad
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on January 04, 2023, 12:15:15 PM
    Huge year coming up lads. I drew a line under last year fairly  quickly so I expect a different vibe this year.  Good luck to all involved but would be nice to know  who some of them  are.lol. very poor pr from  County board regarding  panels and stuff.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ardtole on January 04, 2023, 12:20:52 PM
    Not a peep from  Down Pr either. I'm looking forward to hearing who Laverty has picked this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 04, 2023, 12:30:07 PM
    V interesting year and can see Tyrone going fairly strong tonight as think they will want to hit the league hard from day one.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 04, 2023, 12:40:31 PM
    Kerry maybe showed the way last year when they started with very strong line ups in the McGrath Cup and built that momentum throughout the league and championship.

    I'd still expect a few newbies this evening though. I wouldn't be surprised to see the likes of Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan and Ruairi Canavan getting a start mixed in with a fairly strong side and see how they get on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 04, 2023, 12:49:03 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 04, 2023, 12:40:31 PM
    Kerry maybe showed the way last year when they started with very strong line ups in the McGrath Cup and built that momentum throughout the league and championship.

    I'd still expect a few newbies this evening though. I wouldn't be surprised to see the likes of Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan and Ruairi Canavan getting a start mixed in with a fairly strong side and see how they get on.

    R canavan in the senior set up? Heard interview that he was back with the under 20s
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 04, 2023, 12:51:43 PM
    I assumed he would be but maybe not. I hadn't heard one way or the other to be honest.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 04, 2023, 01:14:13 PM
    Canavan not injured?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on January 04, 2023, 02:43:30 PM
    What is the rule on u20's playing for seniors and then dropping back to U20 competition?
    Is it just a Championship appearance for seniors in the same year that makes you ineligible? Or do National league games count?

    I think some of Derry's U20s played in the League last year and still were available for U20 Championship so must just be Senior Championship rules you out.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 04, 2023, 02:59:31 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 04, 2023, 02:43:30 PM
    What is the rule on u20's playing for seniors and then dropping back to U20 competition?
    Is it just a Championship appearance for seniors in the same year that makes you ineligible? Or do National league games count?

    I think some of Derry's U20s played in the League last year and still were available for U20 Championship so must just be Senior Championship rules you out.

    Think this is correct. A senior championship appearance automatically rules you out if U20's as far as I am aware. Does it only concern 2 players currently?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on January 04, 2023, 03:03:13 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on January 04, 2023, 02:59:31 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 04, 2023, 02:43:30 PM
    What is the rule on u20's playing for seniors and then dropping back to U20 competition?
    Is it just a Championship appearance for seniors in the same year that makes you ineligible? Or do National league games count?

    I think some of Derry's U20s played in the League last year and still were available for U20 Championship so must just be Senior Championship rules you out.

    Think this is correct. A senior championship appearance automatically rules you out if U20's as far as I am aware. Does it only concern 2 players currently?

    R. Canavan and Cush
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 04, 2023, 03:13:59 PM
    Team for this evening:

    1 Niall Morgan
    2 Nathan McCarron
    3 Cormac Munroe
    4 Padraig Hampsey
    5 Cormac Quinn
    6 Peter Harte
    7 Niall Devlin
    8 Brian Kennedy
    9 Richie Donnelly
    10 Dalaigh Jones
    11 Conor Meyler
    12 Ryan Jones
    13 Cathal McShane
    14 Matthew Donnelly
    15 Conor Cush

    Bench: B Gallen, M McKernan, P Og McCartan, A Clarke, R Donnelly, D Mulgrew, E McNabb, D Canavan, N Sludden, L Nugent, K McGeary
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 03:26:33 PM
    Add Ben Armstrong Killyclogher to the subs list.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Walter Cronc on January 04, 2023, 04:10:09 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 04, 2023, 03:13:59 PM
    Team for this evening:

    1 Niall Morgan
    2 Nathan McCarron
    3 Cormac Munroe
    4 Padraig Hampsey
    5 Cormac Quinn
    6 Peter Harte
    7 Niall Devlin
    8 Brian Kennedy
    9 Richie Donnelly
    10 Dalaigh Jones
    11 Conor Meyler
    12 Ryan Jones
    13 Cathal McShane
    14 Matthew Donnelly
    15 Conor Cush

    Bench: B Gallen, M McKernan, P Og McCartan, A Clarke, R Donnelly, D Mulgrew, E McNabb, D Canavan, N Sludden, L Nugent, K McGeary

    No Oguz in the squad? Very impressive in Ulster club I thought. Peter Harte on the other hand was miles off it!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on January 04, 2023, 04:53:41 PM
    Oguz injured
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on January 04, 2023, 06:42:09 PM
    Quote from: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 03:26:33 PM
    Add Ben Armstrong Killyclogher to the subs list.
    Couldn't be serious? Is he even a starter on a full KC team?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 04, 2023, 06:53:35 PM
    Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 04, 2023, 04:10:09 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 04, 2023, 03:13:59 PM
    Team for this evening:

    1 Niall Morgan
    2 Nathan McCarron
    3 Cormac Munroe
    4 Padraig Hampsey
    5 Cormac Quinn
    6 Peter Harte
    7 Niall Devlin
    8 Brian Kennedy
    9 Richie Donnelly
    10 Dalaigh Jones
    11 Conor Meyler
    12 Ryan Jones
    13 Cathal McShane
    14 Matthew Donnelly
    15 Conor Cush

    Bench: B Gallen, M McKernan, P Og McCartan, A Clarke, R Donnelly, D Mulgrew, E McNabb, D Canavan, N Sludden, L Nugent, K McGeary

    No Oguz in the squad? Very impressive in Ulster club I thought. Peter Harte on the other hand was miles off it!

    Cormac Munroe a bit of a surprise to me. V interested to see how young boys go but equally interested to see how M donnelly and McShane are moving
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on January 04, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
    Is this on tyronetv
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onionbag_82 on January 04, 2023, 07:48:56 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 04, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
    Is this on tyronetv

    Ulster GAA TV. Who is it commentating alongside Hunter?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 04, 2023, 08:05:44 PM
    Quote from: Onionbag_82 on January 04, 2023, 07:48:56 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 04, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
    Is this on tyronetv

    Is it Shane King?

    Ulster GAA TV. Who is it commentating alongside Hunter?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onionbag_82 on January 04, 2023, 08:13:47 PM
    Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 04, 2023, 08:05:44 PM
    Quote from: Onionbag_82 on January 04, 2023, 07:48:56 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 04, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
    Is this on tyronetv

    Is it Shane King?

    Ulster GAA TV. Who is it commentating alongside Hunter?

    Think you are right. Thanks.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on January 04, 2023, 08:21:44 PM
    Hopefully they didnt say anything incriminating during halftime, the mics were live for most of it!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on January 04, 2023, 09:10:13 PM
    Think Paddy and Shane got about a quarter of the scorers correct this evening.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 04, 2023, 09:40:22 PM
    Hunter v poor on the scorer front. Difficult to know what to take away from that game. Defence seemed v tight on 1 v 1s. Hampsey and Munroe.

    Cush has got that talent and the jones boys are useful players. Thought d canavan level of talent just shines above when he came on and emmett mcnabb with a few nice scores.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 09:42:11 PM
    Quote from: PMG1 on January 04, 2023, 06:42:09 PM
    Quote from: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 03:26:33 PM
    Add Ben Armstrong Killyclogher to the subs list.
    Couldn't be serious? Is he even a starter on a full KC team?

    He's captain for the 2023 year I believe, so that answers your question.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on January 04, 2023, 09:50:13 PM
    Quote from: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 09:42:11 PM
    Quote from: PMG1 on January 04, 2023, 06:42:09 PM
    Quote from: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 03:26:33 PM
    Add Ben Armstrong Killyclogher to the subs list.
    Couldn't be serious? Is he even a starter on a full KC team?

    He's captain for the 2023 year I believe, so that answers your question.

    Congratulations Ben
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 10:36:35 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 04, 2023, 09:50:13 PM
    Quote from: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 09:42:11 PM
    Quote from: PMG1 on January 04, 2023, 06:42:09 PM
    Quote from: Ireland2019 on January 04, 2023, 03:26:33 PM
    Add Ben Armstrong Killyclogher to the subs list.
    Couldn't be serious? Is he even a starter on a full KC team?

    He's captain for the 2023 year I believe, so that answers your question.

    Congratulations Ben

    Thanks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on January 05, 2023, 09:50:54 AM
    Were R Canavan and McGleenan held back for u20s or what was reason for thier omission?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 05, 2023, 10:54:44 AM
    Quote from: tyroneman on January 05, 2023, 09:50:54 AM
    Were R Canavan and McGleenan held back for u20s or what was reason for thier omission?

    Both injured. But McGleenan is overage for the 20's. Only 2 players still available for the 20's are Canavan & Cush. I assume they will both go back to the 20's within the next few weeks in preparation for the Ulster Championship
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onionbag_82 on January 11, 2023, 05:26:09 PM
    Anyone a derry line out for tonight?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Walter Cronc on January 11, 2023, 05:45:32 PM
    Do ye have to buy this game online tonight?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on January 11, 2023, 05:48:31 PM
    I thought I heard someone say last week you could get it on firestick
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 11, 2023, 07:55:40 PM
    Any wireless coverage?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 07:57:41 PM
    Ref clearly has no love for tyrone lol
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Walter Cronc on January 11, 2023, 08:16:31 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 07:57:41 PM
    Ref clearly has no love for tyrone lol

    Are ye mad. Some questionable decisions..he must not have seen McShane dropping the knees into Rogers!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 08:30:08 PM
    It was a joke lol. Didn't see that one as I tuned in a bit late but there were a number of soft frees for Derry from what I seen. Not much really in the game yet although I would say it will spice up a bit towards the end
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: red hander on January 11, 2023, 08:52:42 PM
    Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 11, 2023, 08:16:31 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 07:57:41 PM
    Ref clearly has no love for tyrone lol

    Are ye mad. Some questionable decisions..he must not have seen McShane dropping the knees into Rogers!!

    He's awful.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onionbag_82 on January 11, 2023, 08:55:20 PM
    Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 11, 2023, 08:16:31 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 07:57:41 PM
    Ref clearly has no love for tyrone lol

    Are ye mad. Some questionable decisions..he must not have seen McShane dropping the knees into Rogers!!

    Surely some sarcasm detected, been dreadful too tyrone
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 08:57:48 PM
    Some horrendous decision. No free or card for a kick on tyrone at the sideline, tyrone pulled down by the neck no free and a Derry free given in the middle of the field from the bloody kick out.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on January 11, 2023, 09:22:40 PM
    Tyrone straight red and Derry two yellow cards after the incident along the sideline another strange call
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 11, 2023, 09:27:08 PM
    He must have contributed to a melee
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 11, 2023, 09:35:13 PM
    Derry have copied our tactic of diving into a tackler's arms to win a free for a "high challenge". Ref missed lots of technical fouls for off the ground and throw balls. Terrible for both sides but I think Derry got more soft ones
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2023, 09:41:42 PM
    Conditions seemed to really stiffen into the Tyrone scoring goals as the 2nd half wore on. McCurry would have been handy at that time. It was good to see a bit of bite though. There were a few turnovers reminiscent of a couple of years ago.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Gold on January 11, 2023, 09:50:07 PM
    Quote from: red hander on January 11, 2023, 08:52:42 PM
    Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 11, 2023, 08:16:31 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 07:57:41 PM
    Ref clearly has no love for tyrone lol

    Are ye mad. Some questionable decisions..he must not have seen McShane dropping the knees into Rogers!!

    He's awful.

    As bad as I've seen. What is it with tiny refs?

    Like Derry away and about to equalise  and he stopped it for that mini melee...then gave a hop ball...f me
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 11, 2023, 09:51:46 PM
    Anybody impress this evening?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 11, 2023, 09:53:41 PM
    Some poor calls at key times there in the second half cost Tyrone the win, the chances were there to put Derry away. But even at this early stage there was a shape and bite that was missing a year ago. Promising too to see the likes of McShane in particular but also Kilpatrick and Meyler looking lively.

    Not so good to see Hampsey get a red. Camera didn't follow it so perhaps he was hard done by, but Tyrone need to much better on discipline than last year.

    All in all not bad though and at least one more competitive game before the league should be useful.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 11, 2023, 09:56:10 PM
    I mentioned in the other thread the cameras caught the start of the melee. Hampsey deserved red I said right away at the time. Need to cut that out, same shit every year.
    BTW what's the story with McNamee?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 11, 2023, 09:59:59 PM
    The ref was poor in general and particularly sore on Tyrone. Derry have more work done in preseason, and their superior fitness came to the fore in the final quarter. They were full value for the draw.
    We collapsed at the kick out in the last quarter. Despite having a considerable size advantage.
    Kennedy, Richie, Mattie & Conn I would have expected to win more than their fair share of ball when Gallen was forced to go long. Derry are not the biggest in midfield especially w/out glass. But Tyrone looked really knackered.
    The subs didn't have the desired effect either, in fact Mckernan & McGeary didn't lift us at all. Mcnabb and Canavan were starved of possession as a result of the middle third collapse, irrelevant subs.

    More petulance and another red card too. That needs nipped in the bud ASAP.
    Plenty for the management to improve on fitness wise & in terms of their own in game management
    It feels like a defeat even though it wasn't - which is a good thing.
    Most folk would say another game on Saturday is a positive, I dunno, they look like a group that would benefit more from some hard intensive collective training and focus ahead of Roscommon away, at the months end.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 11, 2023, 10:03:09 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 11, 2023, 09:51:46 PM
    Anybody impress this evening?

    McCarron in defence. Great to see McShane look a bit like his old self too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 10:12:59 PM
    What's the story with McCurry is he injured?

    Don't think hamspey deserved the ref. He square up but didn't see any digs. He needs to nip that attitude in the bud as he does get involved in too many needless incidents.

    Commentator was saying that Gallagher was shouting at the ref and tyrone keeper for stopping the kick out to kick another ball away. The pratt mustn't have realised a Derry fan threw the ball on the pitch to stop the tyrone kickout. He really is an over the top moron when he's on the side line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 11, 2023, 10:15:53 PM
    McCurry is in Thailand on holiday.

    I like Gallagher. We criticise players and management for being sterile, motionless, giving clichéd interviews
    You can't have it both ways, at least he shows passion and let's himself go. Even in a mckenna Cup game. Fair play to him I say, although I do think it will end with egg on his face someday, and thatll be good crack too. He's a character for sure and we need more of them
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on January 11, 2023, 10:16:27 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 10:12:59 PM
    What's the story with McCurry is he injured?

    Don't think hamspey deserved the ref. He square up but didn't see any digs. He needs to nip that attitude in the bud as he does get involved in too many needless incidents.

    Commentator was saying that Gallagher was shouting at the ref and tyrone keeper for stopping the kick out to kick another ball away. The pratt mustn't have realised a Derry fan threw the ball on the pitch to stop the tyrone kickout. He really is an over the top moron when he's on the side line.

    Going by social media, he is on his holidays
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 11, 2023, 10:40:21 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 11, 2023, 10:15:53 PM
    McCurry is in Thailand on holiday.

    I like Gallagher. We criticise players and management for being sterile, motionless, giving clichéd interviews
    You can't have it both ways, at least he shows passion and let's himself go. Even in a mckenna Cup game. Fair play to him I say, although I do think it will end with egg on his face someday, and thatll be good crack too. He's a character for sure and we need more of them

    Thanks.

    There is being a character then there is roaring and shouting at every single decision which goes against you. That style of management has a short term effect which would why this is his 3rd team in about 8 years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on January 12, 2023, 07:30:02 AM
    Cathal McShane brilliant last night. Super movement throughout and took some quality scores, especially the team score in 2nd half. Poor free to miss near end but conditions obviously played a part. I really hope he can keep this up as he is a real force and makes over teams worry more about the full back line so he preoccupies players before a ball is even thrown in
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 12, 2023, 08:49:22 AM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on January 12, 2023, 07:30:02 AM
    Cathal McShane brilliant last night. Super movement throughout and took some quality scores, especially the team score in 2nd half. Poor free to miss near end but conditions obviously played a part. I really hope he can keep this up as he is a real force and makes over teams worry more about the full back line so he preoccupies players before a ball is even thrown in

    Cathal great when working on instinct. Quick ball and turn and shoot. Did well considering the weather. Can they get him mccurry canavan working together?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2023, 08:08:51 PM
    What's the story with Canavan playing only second halves this year? Sigerson and McKenna.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: shawshank on January 13, 2023, 09:29:33 AM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on January 12, 2023, 07:30:02 AM
    Cathal McShane brilliant last night. Super movement throughout and took some quality scores, especially the team score in 2nd half. Poor free to miss near end but conditions obviously played a part. I really hope he can keep this up as he is a real force and makes over teams worry more about the full back line so he preoccupies players before a ball is even thrown in

    He was playing on a novice 18/19 year old, wouldn't get to excited just yet.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Keyboard Warrior on January 13, 2023, 10:26:45 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2023, 08:08:51 PM
    What's the story with Canavan playing only second halves this year? Sigerson and McKenna.

    Assume it is load management.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on January 13, 2023, 11:01:53 AM
    Quote from: shawshank on January 13, 2023, 09:29:33 AM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on January 12, 2023, 07:30:02 AM
    Cathal McShane brilliant last night. Super movement throughout and took some quality scores, especially the team score in 2nd half. Poor free to miss near end but conditions obviously played a part. I really hope he can keep this up as he is a real force and makes over teams worry more about the full back line so he preoccupies players before a ball is even thrown in

    He was playing on a novice 18/19 year old, wouldn't get to excited just yet.

    I didn't see the match, but even so, McShane seems to be a confidence player, so that's what he needs. Shining in winter football is no mean feat either. Watching football at this time of year is not enjoyable, nor I am sure is playing in it either. Every league match in Healy Park seems to be during some minor weather event and you'd be foundered even watching it at home.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on January 15, 2023, 07:53:39 AM
    Can anyone shed any light on whether the following players in the panel or what their story is:

    McNamee (assuming injured)
    Michael O'Neill
    Peter Teague
    Michael McGleenan
    Ruairi Canavan
    Joe Oguz
    Nathan Donnelly

    I'm guessing the following players must be gone:

    Ben McDonnell
    Niall Kelly
    Michael conroy
    Ryan Coleman
    Ryan mccusker
    Johnny Munroe
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 15, 2023, 10:17:51 AM
    Another steady performance last night. After Cavan's early blast of scores Tyrone took over completely and 3 point half time lead didn't really reflect the play. Cavan came back into a bit more in the second half. Given the way Tyrone fell away in the second half against Derry it was good to see them re-asserting themselves last night after Cavan got close. Didn't really think result was ever in doubt and 5 point win probably about right.

    Good to see McShane looking sharp again and Darragh Canavan also dangerous. Mulgrew got through a lot of work too despite not scoring. Thought McGeary was a bit sharper than the midweek game and McCartan busy on his debut. Munroe has done well at FB in the two games I've seen also.

    Still very early and a few men to come back and with fitness and sharpness to go up through the gears, but there is a decent foundation there.  It's never worth getting too excited or worried about the McKenna Cup, but in the context of last year when Tyrone were so poor early on and never really got going, perhaps more important than normal this year that the team showed something in January. Another game before the league shouldn't do any harm either.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 15, 2023, 11:13:26 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 15, 2023, 07:53:39 AM
    Can anyone shed any light on whether the following players in the panel or what their story is:

    McNamee (assuming injured)
    Michael O'Neill
    Peter Teague
    Michael McGleenan
    Ruairi Canavan
    Joe Oguz
    Nathan Donnelly

    I'm guessing the following players must be gone:

    Ben McDonnell
    Niall Kelly
    Michael conroy
    Ryan Coleman
    Ryan mccusker
    Johnny Munroe

    I think someone said on here McDonnell was going travelling. He'd a very good club championship so I'd imagine he'd have still been on the squad. Was Coleman the one who got the jaw broke v Clonoe? Munroe missed the county final unless he is still recovering from that?

    Squad looks in decent shape. The 2 new lads in the full back line are performing well. Niall Devlin going well too I thought. We should pick up wins v Roscommon, Monaghan and Donegal for starters and then after that who knows.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on January 15, 2023, 12:42:09 PM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 15, 2023, 07:53:39 AM
    Can anyone shed any light on whether the following players in the panel or what their story is:

    McNamee (assuming injured)
    Michael O'Neill
    Peter Teague
    Michael McGleenan
    Ruairi Canavan
    Joe Oguz
    Nathan Donnelly

    I'm guessing the following players must be gone:

    Ben McDonnell
    Niall Kelly
    Michael conroy
    Ryan Coleman
    Ryan mccusker
    Johnny Munroe

    Ronan McNamee - unsure
    Michael O'Neill - likely injured
    Peter Teague - long term injury
    Michael McGleenan - injured
    Ruairi Canavan - injured
    Joe Oguz - injured
    Nathan Donnelly - left panel

    Ben McDonnell -  left panel (travelling)
    Niall Kelly - unsure
    Michael conroy -  left panel (travelling)
    Ryan Coleman -  left panel
    Ryan mccusker - dropped from panel
    Johnny Munroe -  left panel
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on January 15, 2023, 12:47:18 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on January 15, 2023, 12:42:09 PM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 15, 2023, 07:53:39 AM
    Can anyone shed any light on whether the following players in the panel or what their story is:

    McNamee (assuming injured)
    Michael O'Neill
    Peter Teague
    Michael McGleenan
    Ruairi Canavan
    Joe Oguz
    Nathan Donnelly

    I'm guessing the following players must be gone:

    Ben McDonnell
    Niall Kelly
    Michael conroy
    Ryan Coleman
    Ryan mccusker
    Johnny Munroe

    Ronan McNamee - unsure
    Michael O'Neill - likely injured
    Peter Teague - long term injury
    Michael McGleenan - injured
    Ruairi Canavan - injured
    Joe Oguz - injured
    Nathan Donnelly - left panel

    Ben McDonnell -  left panel (travelling)
    Niall Kelly - unsure
    Michael conroy -  left panel (travelling)
    Ryan Coleman -  left panel
    Ryan mccusker - dropped from panel
    Johnny Munroe -  left panel
    Sean Loughran, Matthew Murnaghan and Lorcan Quinn are also no longer part of the panel.
    Unsure about Conor Shields and Padraig McNulty.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on January 15, 2023, 05:16:09 PM
    Nathan Donnelly got lot of chances last year, pity he's walked away after just one year. Also unfortunate Teague injured, he can't get a proper run at it with the county.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 15, 2023, 07:55:06 PM
    He got alot of chances, but he was miles off it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on January 16, 2023, 08:27:56 PM
    Ronan McNamee carrying a slight injury, Michael O'Neill injured, Niall Kelly injured, Paudie McNulty had his arm reopened on, out until the middle of the league, Conor Shields injured, will be out for 5 to 6 weeks.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on January 21, 2023, 08:00:52 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
    It'll prob take a year or two to come out, but fairly amateurush set up is what I am hearing time & again. Won Sam and earned huge credit, by making some genuine excellent tweaks to an existing set up.
    I have little faith in current management arrangement to be honest. Some really underwhelming reports

    Joint managers... Really?

    Didn't look like a team at all today
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GKunion on January 21, 2023, 08:56:56 PM
    Early exit on the horizon in 2023... didn't look good tonight
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 21, 2023, 09:03:19 PM
    That was pretty disappointing. Looked pretty clueless trying to break down the Derry defence and our own defence was wide open at times.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on January 21, 2023, 09:50:13 PM
    Scared to shoot, lack of pace, and when Derry used their superior pace either on a counter or through patience we were hopeless. Granted holiday was to blame for being off the pace last year, but Derry were miles ahead in all aspects today. Hopefully put right next week against roscommon
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on January 21, 2023, 11:28:21 PM
    Hold on a minute here, All you guys wanted Dooher and Logie in, couldn't wait to get Mickey out. It looks an unhappy camp, tonight was clueless. It just shows that Tyrone would have won the all Ireland 2021 with Mickey at the helm.  It was essentially his team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 21, 2023, 11:49:06 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on January 21, 2023, 11:28:21 PM
    Hold on a minute here, All you guys wanted Dooher and Logie in, couldn't wait to get Mickey out. It looks an unhappy camp, tonight was clueless. It just shows that Tyrone would have won the all Ireland 2021 with Mickey at the helm.  It was essentially his team.

    Tyrone threw caution to the wind against Kerry in 2021 and only won by a point AET, we would not have won that game under Mickey Harte. See 2019 semi-final for contrast.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on January 22, 2023, 12:52:46 AM
    And McCurry wouldn't have had the game time he enjoyed in 2021
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on January 22, 2023, 02:03:21 AM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on January 21, 2023, 11:28:21 PM
    Hold on a minute here, All you guys wanted Dooher and Logie in, couldn't wait to get Mickey out. It looks an unhappy camp, tonight was clueless. It just shows that Tyrone would have won the all Ireland 2021 with Mickey at the helm.  It was essentially his team.
    From 2009 to 2020, Tyrone won zero all irelands
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 22, 2023, 08:19:55 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on January 21, 2023, 11:49:06 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on January 21, 2023, 11:28:21 PM
    Hold on a minute here, All you guys wanted Dooher and Logie in, couldn't wait to get Mickey out. It looks an unhappy camp, tonight was clueless. It just shows that Tyrone would have won the all Ireland 2021 with Mickey at the helm.  It was essentially his team.

    Tyrone threw caution to the wind against Kerry in 2021 and only won by a point AET, we would not have won that game under Mickey Harte. See 2019 semi-final for contrast.

    Aye, Mickey is a legend who did it all with Tyrone but it was obvious that the 2021 All Ireland came about due to a change in management and approach. His work with so many of those players over many years clearly a factor too, but there was no All Ireland that year with Mickey in charge. Hard to believe someone seems to be suggesting he should still be in post - Mickey had 18 seasons as Tyrone manager.

    After 3 positive enough showings that was rubbish last night. Decision making consistently poor and team extremely disjointed. Very important we see a big improvement for the start of the league.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 22, 2023, 08:26:01 AM
    Would everyone relax. Its the McKenna cup. Does anyone think that's the team that starts the championship?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on January 22, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
    To be fair
    I'd be surprised if
    McCarron
    Nugent
    Mulgrew
    Gallen
    McCartan
    Devlin maybe

    Start in big league/ championship games
    It was experimental enough starting line up. Prob about giving game time to lads
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 09:00:01 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on January 22, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
    To be fair
    I'd be surprised if
    McCarron
    Nugent
    Mulgrew
    Gallen
    McCartan
    Devlin maybe

    Start in big league/ championship games
    It was experimental enough starting line up. Prob about giving game time to lads

    At the moment I would be surprised if the x2 Donnelly's, mcgeary, hampsey and munroe start in big championship games. Hard to pick a performance last night and where they going to find pace from
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on January 22, 2023, 09:00:49 AM
    Add mcshane to that list aswell
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 22, 2023, 09:36:59 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 22, 2023, 08:26:01 AM
    Would everyone relax. Its the McKenna cup. Does anyone think that's the team that starts the championship?

    Not getting over excited about a McKenna cup game but was still a disappointing performance none the less including from players that will be automatic starters this year. I'd still be very confident we will win our first 2 league games in the next few weeks.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 22, 2023, 10:40:25 AM
    I'm hopeful that he's playing his cards close to his chest.  Also, Tyrone are more or less guaranteed a place in the groups of 4 and 3 out of the 4 qualify for the next stage.  Maybe planning for the long haul
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: superstar_ on January 22, 2023, 11:09:42 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 09:00:01 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on January 22, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
    To be fair
    I'd be surprised if
    McCarron
    Nugent
    Mulgrew
    Gallen
    McCartan
    Devlin maybe

    Start in big league/ championship games
    It was experimental enough starting line up. Prob about giving game time to lads

    At the moment I would be surprised if the x2 Donnelly's, mcgeary, hampsey and munroe start in big championship games. Hard to pick a performance last night and where they going to find pace from
    The last we will see of Richie? Was never good enough at County level, the thing that surprises me is how we are still giving him game time ten years down the road. Falls into the Conall McCann, Declan McClure bracket - good club player that isn't county standard, but that should have been recognised five years ago.
    No obvious starting place for McGeary on present form. Hampseys form a major concern.
    McNamee back in for Munroe should steady things defensively. Peter Harte back in starting at six will also help in that regard. Defence with Morgan McKernan McNamee Hampsey Meyler and Harte will give Tyrone a much more solid foundation to work from.
    Forward line wise - McShane looks sharper and in better form which is a positive. Badly in need of Canavan in the team for creativity and spark to make something happen. Mulgrew, Nugent and these players are not the answer and they aren't the players to take Tyrone towards Ulster titles and contending for All Irelands.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 22, 2023, 11:15:56 AM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on January 21, 2023, 11:28:21 PM
    Hold on a minute here, All you guys wanted Dooher and Logie in, couldn't wait to get Mickey out. It looks an unhappy camp, tonight was clueless. It just shows that Tyrone would have won the all Ireland 2021 with Mickey at the helm.  It was essentially his team.

    Harte was so full of himself. A yesterdays man. Running around with a blockbuster card in the netflix era. Tyrone were content to not get hammered under Harte but couldn't win. Although I miss Mickey as we would have won another 37 McKenna cups under his reign of terror.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on January 22, 2023, 11:37:44 AM
    Quote from: superstar_ on January 22, 2023, 11:09:42 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 09:00:01 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on January 22, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
    To be fair
    I'd be surprised if
    McCarron
    Nugent
    Mulgrew
    Gallen
    McCartan
    Devlin maybe

    Start in big league/ championship games
    It was experimental enough starting line up. Prob about giving game time to lads

    At the moment I would be surprised if the x2 Donnelly's, mcgeary, hampsey and munroe start in big championship games. Hard to pick a performance last night and where they going to find pace from
    The last we will see of Richie? Was never good enough at County level, the thing that surprises me is how we are still giving him game time ten years down the road. Falls into the Conall McCann, Declan McClure bracket - good club player that isn't county standard, but that should have been recognised five years ago.
    No obvious starting place for McGeary on present form. Hampseys form a major concern.
    McNamee back in for Munroe should steady things defensively. Peter Harte back in starting at six will also help in that regard. Defence with Morgan McKernan McNamee Hampsey Meyler and Harte will give Tyrone a much more solid foundation to work from.
    Forward line wise - McShane looks sharper and in better form which is a positive. Badly in need of Canavan in the team for creativity and spark to make something happen. Mulgrew, Nugent and these players are not the answer and they aren't the players to take Tyrone towards Ulster titles and contending for All Irelands.

    Always felt the same regarding Donnelly. Never saw him as deserving a regular place and often got starts ahead of more deserving players.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: harryR on January 22, 2023, 02:28:57 PM
    What would the starting 15 be for the first league game then?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 03:07:41 PM
    I'm guessing they'll go something like

    Morgan
    Mccarron
    Munroe
    Hampsey
    Mckernan
    Harte
    Devlin
    Kilpatrick
    Kennedy
    Meyler
    Canavan
    Sludden
    Mccurry
    McShane
    M Donnelly
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 22, 2023, 03:09:03 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 22, 2023, 08:26:01 AM
    Would everyone relax. Its the McKenna cup. Does anyone think that's the team that starts the championship?

    I'd agree with that normally but in the context of last season it was important for Tyrone to show some indication on the McKenna Cup that they were starting the year in a much better place. There were encouraging signs in the first three games and I wouldn't have been bothered with losing last night, but the manner of the defeat was rather worrying. Lot of aimless play and boys going nowhere or going down blind alleys. Looked an awful like last season.

    Hopefully the league will see them go up a level or two but McKenna Cup or not, that was a very poor effort.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 22, 2023, 03:19:59 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 03:07:41 PM
    I'm guessing they'll go something like

    Morgan
    Mccarron
    Munroe
    Hampsey
    Mckernan
    Harte
    Devlin
    Kilpatrick
    Kennedy
    Meyler
    Canavan
    Sludden
    Mccurry
    McShane
    M Donnelly

    That'll probably not be a million miles away. I can see them finding a spot for Burns and/or McGeary somewhere in the lineup.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 06:41:40 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 22, 2023, 03:19:59 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 03:07:41 PM
    I'm guessing they'll go something like

    Morgan
    Mccarron
    Munroe
    Hampsey
    Mckernan
    Harte
    Devlin
    Kilpatrick
    Kennedy
    Meyler
    Canavan
    Sludden
    Mccurry
    McShane
    M Donnelly

    That'll probably not be a million miles away. I can see them finding a spot for Burns and/or McGeary somewhere in the lineup.

    Ya possibly Devlin or sludden
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 22, 2023, 10:01:29 PM
    You get the feeling that this side needs an injection of something different to stir them. The likes of McGleenan when fit. They've lost that in McKenna who offered something different to everyone else in 2021, usually at key times. What we have now is fairly predictable, albeit very good.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 22, 2023, 10:24:32 PM
    Making the same old mistakes every year. Exemplified by the start of the second half McShane not taking a mark and instead hitting it wide. If that hasn't been coached into him yet then there's no hope.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 22, 2023, 11:10:21 PM
    Every year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 23, 2023, 11:24:22 AM
    Thought McShane poor enough. We need new blood. Not sure what or who but new faces needed. Middle 8 all need a shake. Could be a very short year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on January 23, 2023, 02:06:45 PM
    A serious amount of unwarranted criticism of some of the players - esp, Cathal McShane and Richard Donnelly. (IMHO)
    Tyrone clearly haven't found their best 15, or at least are not prepared to show their hand as early as the 3rd week in January.
    Let's work on the basis that they have a clear enough idea of the squad that will be doing their best to retain Div 1 status and thereafter the best team for Ulster and beyond - assuming injuries and return to form of other players etc..

    Derry are showing early and well at county level and at club level - Gallagher has shown what a difference creating a team culture an make to a county that, for years has been unable to bring club success to the county.

    Big year for the current management to show they are team builders in every sense of the word - will take a few more mckenna cups to integrate many of the young and up coming players...most likely a season too early for the Daly lads and might even be a lot of responsibility for the Canavans at such a young age...

    Derry and Armagh have shown how long it takes to reshape playing style and create winning teams - and even then only Derry have silverware to prove it.

    Our most recent All Ireland success disguises the period of transition that we find ourselves in - players coming back into (or out of) form are the easiest scapegoats...management ultimately need to find a playing formulae / style that suits the players at their disposal and the competition they face...I would be hoping for some proof in the NFL that the team building efforts are paying off.

    When we were winning the MCKenna cup under Micky Harte, it wasn't t worth a shyte and when we loose a final, its all doom and gloom...too early to judge at this stage but early enough to be expecting progress over the League campaign
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on January 23, 2023, 03:40:41 PM
    Should have been a replay of the 95 final when Charlie Redmond didn't go off..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 23, 2023, 04:06:29 PM
    Quote from: sensethetone on January 23, 2023, 03:40:41 PM
    Should have been a reply of the 95 final when Charlie Redmond didn't go off..
    Outside the statute of limitations now I'm afraid. A replay now would be class craic though, Canavan would still terrorise the dub defence.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2023, 10:59:03 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 06:41:40 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 22, 2023, 03:19:59 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 22, 2023, 03:07:41 PM
    I'm guessing they'll go something like

    Morgan
    Mccarron
    Munroe
    Hampsey
    Mckernan
    Harte
    Devlin
    Kilpatrick
    Kennedy
    Meyler
    Canavan
    Sludden
    Mccurry
    McShane
    M Donnelly

    That'll probably not be a million miles away. I can see them finding a spot for Burns and/or McGeary somewhere in the lineup.

    Ya possibly Devlin or sludden
    Surely we have to be finding a starting place for Ruairi Canavan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 24, 2023, 08:36:24 AM
    A pitiful performance on Saturday night. Very very disappointing. Credit to Derry who I was seriously impressed with. They might have done us a favour though longer term. Our fitness levels arnt good enough yet, our structure and style of play is.. frankly none existent. And we lack pace & mobility in some crucial areas.
    Management have time to address most of those issues yet thankfully
    The most frustrating thing is, again, we looked like we have never come across the Derry mass-defence system. Derry got 15 men behind the ball in the opening 10 mins, afforded Tyrone plenty of possession. We never mounted a meaningful attack, it was all sideways lateral powder puff stuff. I feel this even had a psychological impact too. Once we were turned over they had acres of space in front of them
    Tyrone had no structure or ideas in attack to break that down – ie men hugging the sidelines to create width & space, forwards making darting runs in the search of a mark, or the longer range kickers (P Harte) coming off a D to kick a boomer from 45 yards. Because Derry allow you to shoot from there, and as long as the ball goes dead – its no great shakes if you miss. Once they have 15 inside the 45, its more probable you get turned over eventually, rather than score
    You need to have a target man in there as well and loft the odd one into McShane or whoever. It might pay off for mark or a goal, but more importantly it keeps their defence occupied and prevents them cranking up the collective pressure as much in the 30 yard zone from the 45 to the 15 yards infront of the keeper
    Surely in training this environment is recreated – we have a massive panel of players. Get 15 (or 16) behind the ball, and challenge the first 15 to break it down. It really looked like we hadn't seen this before or didn't expect it
    The middle third was very poor. Kennedy & Richie are both good assets to have in your squad. But as a midfield pairing they wouldnt have the pace or mobility for this level. One or the other in the midfield. Our break ball winning powers across the half backs and half forwards was second to Derry as well
    Also very concerning the form of Hampsey, McGeary, Sludden, Mattie & Pete Harte. No discernable change from 2022. So far anyway.
    A tough trip away to Roscommon on Sunday, I still expect us to finish in the top 3 or 4 in the league this year. Most division one games wont be as tough as Derry was on Saturday past. But we need to start planning for Derry in the summer now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BIGONE on January 24, 2023, 03:41:30 PM
    Morgan
    Hampsey
    McNamee
    McKernan
    Devlin
    Harte
    OgMcCartan
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    Canavan
    Sludden
    McCurry
    Donnelly
    Canavan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: superstar_ on January 24, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
    My hopes would be

    Morgan
    McKernan
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    Meyler
    Harte
    Devlin
    Kennedy and Kilpatrick
    Sludden
    Canavan
    Canavan
    McCurry
    McShane
    Donnelly

    Also hoping Joe Oguz, Padraig McNulty and Peter Teague solve their injury problems and get meaningful game time in the league. They would be fantastic options and offer more height and strength.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: on the sideline on January 24, 2023, 07:03:22 PM
    How many Galbally men are now in the Tyrone panel after their run this year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 24, 2023, 08:38:24 PM
    Quote from: BIGONE on January 24, 2023, 03:41:30 PM
    Morgan
    Hampsey
    McNamee
    McKernan
    Devlin
    Harte
    OgMcCartan
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    Canavan
    Sludden
    McCurry
    Donnelly
    Canavan

    Canavan junior & McNamee appear to be injured as do a few others. If you consider the above team then we still can call upon the following;

    Benny Gallen,
    Cormac Monroe,
    Niall Kelly,
    Cormac Quinn,
    Nathan McCarron
    Frank Burns
    Conor Quinn
    Peter Teague
    Liam Rafferty
    Richie Donnelly
    Paudie McNulty
    Joe Oguz
    Liam Nugent
    Emmet McNabb
    Conor Cush
    Kieran McGeary
    Dalaigh Jones
    Ryan Jones
    Michael McGleenan
    Lorcan Quinn
    Rory Donnelly
    Aidan Clarke
    Eoin Corey
    Probably have still missed a few out - apologies to those players.

    That is a lot of men not getting football who have to be kept happy, which appears to have been a problem in the last 2 seasons when you consider the lads who dropped out.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 28, 2023, 10:39:47 PM
    Morgan
    Mckernan
    Munroe
    Hampsey
    Quinn
    Harte
    Devlin
    Kennedy
    Donnelly
    Mulgrew
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    McShane
    Donnelly
    Canavan

    Not sure about this team but hope it delivers
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on January 28, 2023, 10:51:23 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 28, 2023, 10:39:47 PM
    Morgan
    Mckernan
    Munroe
    Hampsey
    Quinn
    Harte
    Devlin
    Kennedy
    Donnelly
    Mulgrew
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    McShane
    Donnelly
    Canavan

    Not sure about this team but hope it delivers

    Not a lot of scores in that team
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 28, 2023, 11:09:25 PM
    Quote from: smort on January 28, 2023, 10:51:23 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 28, 2023, 10:39:47 PM
    Morgan
    Mckernan
    Munroe
    Hampsey
    Quinn
    Harte
    Devlin
    Kennedy
    Donnelly
    Mulgrew
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    McShane
    Donnelly
    Canavan

    Not sure about this team but hope it delivers

    Not a lot of scores in that team

    That was my first impression too.

    I was at the last league game between the 2 teams in Roscommon 4 years ago and it took a few long range frees from Niall Morgan in the 2nd half plus a moment of madness from a Roscommon player at the end to get a draw. It won't be easy tomorrow.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 28, 2023, 11:25:29 PM
    No McCurry is a surprise he's our best forward by some distance imo. A few players very very lucky to be starting based on their showing last weekend.

    Optimistic they can pull something out of the bag. Tyrone by 3.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 28, 2023, 11:29:32 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 28, 2023, 11:25:29 PM
    No McCurry is a surprise he's our best forward by some distance imo. A few players very very lucky to be starting based on their showing last weekend.

    Optimistic they can pull something out of the bag. Tyrone by 3.

    Be interesting to see where M donnelly plays. Has looked off the pace so hopefully not so tomorrow. Assume R Donnelly is on for his kick passes into McShane
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 28, 2023, 11:40:41 PM
    What's their thinking with Kilpatrick?  They seem to be playing him all over the joint.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on January 29, 2023, 01:17:25 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 28, 2023, 11:40:41 PM
    What's their thinking with Kilpatrick?  They seem to be playing him all over the joint.

    They re thinking he's a versatile player
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 29, 2023, 01:17:58 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 28, 2023, 11:40:41 PM
    What's their thinking with Kilpatrick?  They seem to be playing him all over the joint.

    I still think he'll line out in midfield..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on January 29, 2023, 08:00:25 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 28, 2023, 11:25:29 PM
    No McCurry is a surprise he's our best forward by some distance imo. A few players very very lucky to be starting based on their showing last weekend.

    Optimistic they can pull something out of the bag. Tyrone by 3.

    McCurry hasn't been about much, took a break during mckenna cup only coming back into the squad for the finsk and was very rusty
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 29, 2023, 08:45:33 AM
    Yeah I know he was on holiday but didn't think any one done enough in the McKenna Cup to keep him out of the team for the first league game. Id imagine he'll be on sooner rather than later if things aren't going well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Rois on January 29, 2023, 10:07:52 AM
    Anyone want two tickets for match today?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on January 29, 2023, 12:59:04 PM
    Can game be streamed live?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on January 29, 2023, 01:10:43 PM
    I think it is live on TG4 App, maybe their YouTube channel also.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 01:17:03 PM
    Flip due to rights restrictions in your region its not available on the app
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 01:19:20 PM
    Think meath are on tg4 youtube but I'm sure that one could be watched on the bloody app  >:(
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on January 29, 2023, 01:40:40 PM
    GAAGO 2
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 01:40:57 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 01:17:03 PM
    Flip due to rights restrictions in your region its not available on the app

    At least Fibrus is seen to be in Ireland at my end.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 01:41:40 PM
    This could be a hard watch though.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 29, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
    Very strong breeze. Looks to be worth at least 5/6 points.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on January 29, 2023, 02:10:23 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 01:40:57 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 01:17:03 PM
    Flip due to rights restrictions in your region its not available on the app

    At least Fibrus is seen to be in Ireland at my end.
    I have Fibrus but the game is Rights restricted. fFS.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 29, 2023, 02:13:10 PM
    Bad miss by Harte there. Should be winning this game now with that breeze in the 2nd half.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 29, 2023, 02:40:03 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 01:17:03 PM
    Flip due to rights restrictions in your region its not available on the app

    Go to permissions on the app and ensure you allow location.

    That was my issue.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 02:49:34 PM
    Should have been 6 clear and now it's level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 02:52:48 PM
    What a farce.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 02:52:56 PM
    This game should have been done and dusted.  Silly errors and we're all square. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 03:05:32 PM
    Push up on them ffs
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 03:12:33 PM
    Jesus that was awful stuff in the 2nd half. Too many men anonymous when we needed them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 29, 2023, 03:15:01 PM
    The goal miss was the turning point. Thought it was a game of volleyball there at the end with the third roscommon goal
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Substandard on January 29, 2023, 03:15:48 PM
    Delighted with that result from a Ros perspective.  Tyrone are still a force, but have plenty to work on.  A win our side means a lot more than it would the other way round.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bigtogs on January 29, 2023, 03:16:29 PM
    Defence shocking...few men badly of the pace.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 03:19:52 PM
    Is it too early to write this year off as cantcsee that team doing anything
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 29, 2023, 03:20:35 PM
    So many men off the pace
    Poor discipline.
    Poor structure, including defensive disorganisation.
    In comparison to our peers, such as Derry and Roscommon we have poor conditioning as welll

    A very very amateur set up just now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 03:23:10 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Who would you replace them with? and don't say Paul Devlin.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 29, 2023, 03:26:15 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on January 21, 2023, 08:00:52 PM
    Quote from: God14 on January 02, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
    It'll prob take a year or two to come out, but fairly amateurush set up is what I am hearing time & again. Won Sam and earned huge credit, by making some genuine excellent tweaks to an existing set up.
    I have little faith in current management arrangement to be honest. Some really underwhelming reports

    Joint managers... Really?

    Didn't look like a team at all today

    https://punditarena.com/gaa/eoin-harte/peter-canavan-calls-changes-tyrone-gaa/?amp

    Same issues present themselves today. Lack of fitness and intensity. PtG called it out last year. Knackered and lose every game in last quarter unless it's fermanagh

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on January 29, 2023, 03:31:37 PM
    Mc Shanes confidence must be on the floor. Looked brilliant in the mc kenna cup, plays against a gael force breeze and dooher pulls him off at half time?? We had nothing to hit inside in the second half. Also to be an inside forward and have to watch Meyler hog the ball with putting inside his last resort must be awful.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on January 29, 2023, 03:40:38 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 29, 2023, 03:31:37 PM
    Mc Shanes confidence must be on the floor. Looked brilliant in the mc kenna cup, plays against a gael force breeze and dooher pulls him off at half time?? We had nothing to hit inside in the second half. Also to be an inside forward and have to watch Meyler hog the ball with putting inside his last resort must be awful.

    Pulled him off as he was shocking. Good mc kenna cup he scored few frees against Derry that was the height of it. He wasn't only one there quite a few players that don't cut the mustard at that level and some have too many miles on tank. Club season will be early again looking at that
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on January 29, 2023, 04:02:11 PM
    Quote from: Moonshine on January 29, 2023, 03:40:38 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 29, 2023, 03:31:37 PM
    Mc Shanes confidence must be on the floor. Looked brilliant in the mc kenna cup, plays against a gael force breeze and dooher pulls him off at half time?? We had nothing to hit inside in the second half. Also to be an inside forward and have to watch Meyler hog the ball with putting inside his last resort must be awful.

    Pulled him off as he was shocking. Good mc kenna cup he scored few frees against Derry that was the height of it. He wasn't only one there quite a few players that don't cut the mustard at that level and some have too many miles on tank. Club season will be early again looking at that

    He was no worse than the rest of them. He might have scored the missed frees in the second half. Is he not a better option than Matty. All this solo solo and turn back. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on January 29, 2023, 04:04:46 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 29, 2023, 04:02:11 PM
    Quote from: Moonshine on January 29, 2023, 03:40:38 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 29, 2023, 03:31:37 PM
    Mc Shanes confidence must be on the floor. Looked brilliant in the mc kenna cup, plays against a gael force breeze and dooher pulls him off at half time?? We had nothing to hit inside in the second half. Also to be an inside forward and have to watch Meyler hog the ball with putting inside his last resort must be awful.

    Pulled him off as he was shocking. Good mc kenna cup he scored few frees against Derry that was the height of it. He wasn't only one there quite a few players that don't cut the mustard at that level and some have too many miles on tank. Club season will be early again looking at that

    He was no worse than the rest of them. He might have scored the missed frees in the second half. Is he not a better option than Matty. All this solo solo and turn back.

    I'd be in agreement with your donnelly comment slows everything down. No pace now. He was great servant but time to blood someone new in these other games
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LC on January 29, 2023, 04:21:36 PM
    Tyrone I think will give Cork 2010 a run for their money as being the worst team to have ever won an All Ireland.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 29, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
    Quote from: LC on January 29, 2023, 04:21:36 PM
    Tyrone I think will give Cork 2010 a run for their money as being the worst team to have ever won an All Ireland.

    This Tyrone team a long way from the AI winners. Similar personnel but attitude/fitness miles off
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 29, 2023, 04:32:42 PM
    It's January. We can over react if Tyrone don't perform to their best in the Summer.

    The long term plan must be to phase out the older players. If they were suddenly dropped and 21 year olds introduced they'd be on a hiding to nothing. I hope we'll see this as the league progresses.
    BTW, Mattie came off at a time when Tyrone were winning.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on January 29, 2023, 04:38:54 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 03:23:10 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Who would you replace them with? and don't say Paul Devlin.

    Malachy orourke
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 29, 2023, 04:39:48 PM
    Quote from: LC on January 29, 2023, 04:21:36 PM
    Tyrone I think will give Cork 2010 a run for their money as being the worst team to have ever won an All Ireland.

    Strange old opinion. That team was knocking on the door for a while. Post Harte they went up a level or two at the same time the Dubs were starting to decline. Tyrone put up some great performances (in testing circumstances) and were deserving champions. The shite served up since is irrelevant.

    Still early days for this year but that was worrying again. Played well against the wind and after going 3 in front in the second half there should only have been one winner. The way Tyrone let it slip away was reminiscent of last year, lack of shape and leadership. Unrecognisable from the aforementioned team of 2021. It's not beyond them to pull things together but manner of that defeat a little concerning.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on January 29, 2023, 05:38:46 PM
    Tyrone lost the game when Matty Donnelly went off.

    Hes far from done yet no matter what anyone on here says.
     
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 29, 2023, 05:43:55 PM
    Tyrone did get worse when he went off. I do think his role has to change. Maybe back to when he would have played at 6 and just sit there. We have been wide open in our defence especially when we are turned over.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on January 29, 2023, 05:46:03 PM
    Exciting game and full credit to the rossies for the win. In the first half they set up brilliantly with zonal marking and we really struggled to break thru them with the Gael force win. Start of the second half we really should have went 6 up and we probably would have held out, but wasn't to be.
    Munroe got a black card at a terrible time,not sure what for but very frustrating. Personally wouldn't have him near the team as all he does is foul or else hit men after they have played the ball.
    McShane had a tough time in the first half following his man up the field all the time and we needed McCurry on. Matty wasn't as bad as people make out here, was a good outlet and won 3 scoreable frees, 2 of which went over with harte kicking the other badly wide from 25 yards. Also layed one of in the first half which was scored. Taking him of may have cost us the game as Jones didn't seem to know who he was on for while  and to me was to blame for the two goals. But he's a great prospect and one we need to be sticking with.
    Going forward there's only really one man that you would want managing Tyrone next year ands it's Malachy. Logie and dooher have done brilliant so far but I can't see them wanting to stay another year unless they win Sam again which you wouldn't rule out as we have done so in the past
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 06:07:30 PM
    Mattie must provide a serious bit of leadership for that team because without him they are very poor.  As someone mentioned he picked up alot of frees today to the point I thought his marker was in trouble.  Notvsurecwhat the black card wad for either but after seeing the mayo black card last night I wouldn't have been surprised I'd it was for sonething sift.  Tyrone get that goal to go 6 up and they'd probably win by 10, instead ros get a goal and they're back in it fighting fir everything.
    I only hope Tyrone are holding sonething back as it doesn't look good at this stage
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on January 29, 2023, 08:08:28 PM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 29, 2023, 04:39:48 PM
    Quote from: LC on January 29, 2023, 04:21:36 PM
    Tyrone I think will give Cork 2010 a run for their money as being the worst team to have ever won an All Ireland.

    Strange old opinion. That team was knocking on the door for a while. Post Harte they went up a level or two at the same time the Dubs were starting to decline. Tyrone put up some great performances (in testing circumstances) and were deserving champions. The shite served up since is irrelevant.

    Still early days for this year but that was worrying again. Played well against the wind and after going 3 in front in the second half there should only have been one winner. The way Tyrone let it slip away was reminiscent of last year, lack of shape and leadership. Unrecognisable from the Iaforementioned team of 2021. It's not beyond them to pull things together but manner of that defeat a little concerning.
    The performance in the aisf and final were outstanding that year and Tyrone were lauded for their thrilling football in Croke Park where all Irelands are won.  As good an AI as any ever won so dont listen to the b/s. I was there in 2010 and Cork won it because Down gave it away.
    Donegal in 2012 were not better performers than Tyrone in 2021 either. also Dublin 13 and Kerry 14 were very iffy.
    I think there will be a sting in the tail yet.  We need to move in the next few years away from the running game of Mc G and Meyler and get the ball in quick.  The game is changing very quickly again and so will our personnel up front in the next few months. To call for heads of an all ireland winning group and management within 16 months of winning Sam, is reminiscent of Derry and Coleman. I am not listening to that. I suspect we will go further than any Ulster or Connaught team this year.   




    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
    agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didn't look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on January 29, 2023, 10:03:42 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
    agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didn't look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly
    Interested to hear who the eight would be
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on January 29, 2023, 10:04:56 PM
    2 players let go during the week- liam nugent plus 1 other who I do not know
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 29, 2023, 10:10:06 PM
    Maybe it would be worth fast tracking some more if the successful u-21 team.  Not necessarily canavan as I think they need to bring him along but sure to get others.  Get them blooded this year and if that us all we do then so be it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Will it ever end on January 29, 2023, 10:19:11 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
    agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didn't look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

    You say they don't look fit - they're not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - it's a funny old game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 29, 2023, 10:20:37 PM
    Who else is involved in the squad from last years u20s? Niall Devlin has been heavily involved and playing pretty well so far. Cush there too and we're working off the assumption that McGleenan and Canavan are involved in the wider squad? Anyone else from that squad capable of making the step up yet? McHugh has another 3 or 4 years at MacRory Cup level with HTC so he'll probably be included in a few years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 29, 2023, 10:21:07 PM
    Quote from: Will it ever end on January 29, 2023, 10:19:11 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
    agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didn't look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

    You say they don't look fit - they're not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - it's a funny old game.

    Peter Donnelly not involved anymore.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 29, 2023, 10:34:13 PM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on January 29, 2023, 10:04:56 PM
    2 players let go during the week- liam nugent plus 1 other who I do not know

    Why nugent? Played McKenna cup
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 10:58:27 PM
    Quote from: Will it ever end on January 29, 2023, 10:19:11 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
    agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didn't look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

    You say they don't look fit - they're not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - it's a funny old game.

    To me particularly in the last 20 very heavy legged, a particularly in a few roscommon counter attack they seemed to be able to pull away from the tyrone men and the support play was not its usual energy - so it's either they are doing a load of work during the week or conditioning isnt where it needs to be but don't think i'll watch that one back to verify!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: giveherlong on January 29, 2023, 11:41:32 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 29, 2023, 10:20:37 PM
    Who else is involved in the squad from last years u20s? Niall Devlin has been heavily involved and playing pretty well so far. Cush there too and we're working off the assumption that McGleenan and Canavan are involved in the wider squad? Anyone else from that squad capable of making the step up yet? McHugh has another 3 or 4 years at MacRory Cup level with HTC so he'll probably be included in a few years.

    *Cough* *Cough* HTC
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 30, 2023, 09:39:44 AM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 10:58:27 PM
    Quote from: Will it ever end on January 29, 2023, 10:19:11 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
    agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didn't look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

    You say they don't look fit - they're not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - it's a funny old game.

    To me particularly in the last 20 very heavy legged, a particularly in a few roscommon counter attack they seemed to be able to pull away from the tyrone men and the support play was not its usual energy - so it's either they are doing a load of work during the week or conditioning isnt where it needs to be but don't think i'll watch that one back to verify!

    When teams are not playing well they can look unfit. I would doubt that is the actual case. It's a difficult time for the team. They don't seem to have any belief and are looking around at each other for leadership and inspiration. It's definitely lacking.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on January 30, 2023, 02:07:02 PM
    Not a great  start to the league but time to iron out some problems. Canavan missed a free with a minute left to make it a one point game then they get a goal to leave 5 in it so we were closer than the scoreline  suggests. Huge game against  donegal in omagh this weekend. Mc curry needs to start and we need to start playing  football  instead of fuckin about with  meaningless solo runs  and hand passes.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 30, 2023, 03:37:30 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2023, 02:07:02 PM
    Not a great  start to the league but time to iron out some problems. Canavan missed a free with a minute left to make it a one point game then they get a goal to leave 5 in it so we were closer than the scoreline  suggests. Huge game against  donegal in omagh this weekend. Mc curry needs to start and we need to start playing  football  instead of fuckin about with  meaningless solo runs  and hand passes.

    This is embedded now. Need to find a way to get the ball to Canavan and McCurry as the quality and shooting instincts stands out a mile. Defence is wide open at the moment and not sure what the answer is 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on January 31, 2023, 10:52:41 AM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 29, 2023, 03:31:37 PM
    Mc Shanes confidence must be on the floor. Looked brilliant in the mc kenna cup, plays against a gael force breeze and dooher pulls him off at half time?? We had nothing to hit inside in the second half. Also to be an inside forward and have to watch Meyler hog the ball with putting inside his last resort must be awful.
    Shocking behaviour
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on January 31, 2023, 12:44:44 PM
    Firstly how do we know it was Dooher alone who made the decision?

    Secondly, there may be more innocent explanations for a sub. He might have been carrying an injury, maybe he said something or had a bad attitude in the dressing room. Maybe he refused to follow instructions on the pitch. We have no way of knowing that he was subbed for his performance alone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on January 31, 2023, 01:15:19 PM
    What about the management of Liam Nugent, very unfair IMO and wouldn't fill me with confidence on this current management. An early exit and it could be over for Doogan!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on January 31, 2023, 01:26:32 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 31, 2023, 01:15:19 PM
    What about the management of Liam Nugent, very unfair IMO and wouldn't fill me with confidence on this current management. An early exit and it could be over for Doogan!
    Nugent being dropped definitely a strange one, seemed to score everytime he got a chance, Clarke and Corry both from omagh gone also.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on February 01, 2023, 01:51:53 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on January 30, 2023, 02:07:02 PM
    Not a great  start to the league but time to iron out some problems. Canavan missed a free with a minute left to make it a one point game then they get a goal to leave 5 in it so we were closer than the scoreline  suggests. Huge game against  donegal in omagh this weekend. Mc curry needs to start and we need to start playing  football  instead of fuckin about with  meaningless solo runs  and hand passes.

    This is what you asked for!! Bring back Mickey Harte.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on February 01, 2023, 01:55:41 PM
    anyone know the final squad for the league?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 01, 2023, 02:16:48 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 31, 2023, 01:26:32 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 31, 2023, 01:15:19 PM
    What about the management of Liam Nugent, very unfair IMO and wouldn't fill me with confidence on this current management. An early exit and it could be over for Doogan!
    Nugent being dropped definitely a strange one, seemed to score everytime he got a chance, Clarke and Corry both from omagh gone also.

    Would Clarke not have something to offer?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 01, 2023, 02:59:58 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 01, 2023, 02:16:48 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 31, 2023, 01:26:32 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 31, 2023, 01:15:19 PM
    What about the management of Liam Nugent, very unfair IMO and wouldn't fill me with confidence on this current management. An early exit and it could be over for Doogan!
    Nugent being dropped definitely a strange one, seemed to score everytime he got a chance, Clarke and Corry both from omagh gone also.

    Would Clarke not have something to offer?

    Very surprised to hear Clarke is gone. He is a quality player with serious pace and a very good man marker. This team needs pace in all areas so I honestly thought he would have been pushing for a place on the playing squad in NFL
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 01, 2023, 03:02:20 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 31, 2023, 01:15:19 PM
    What about the management of Liam Nugent, very unfair IMO and wouldn't fill me with confidence on this current management. An early exit and it could be over for Doogan!

    was he dropped or did he leave of his own accord? anyway it's good news for the Rock this season as I don't think he played much for them in 2022.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: stillsenior on February 01, 2023, 06:20:42 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 01, 2023, 02:59:58 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 01, 2023, 02:16:48 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on January 31, 2023, 01:26:32 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on January 31, 2023, 01:15:19 PM
    What about the management of Liam Nugent, very unfair IMO and wouldn't fill me with confidence on this current management. An early exit and it could be over for Doogan!
    Nugent being dropped definitely a strange one, seemed to score everytime he got a chance, Clarke and Corry both from omagh gone also.

    Would Clarke not have something to offer?

    Very surprised to hear Clarke is gone. He is a quality player with serious pace and a very good man marker. This team needs pace in all areas so I honestly thought he would have been pushing for a place on the playing squad in NFL


    Clarke is doing a PGCE in Carlisle but his final school placement is at home starting this week.........
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 03, 2023, 01:06:31 PM
    Give the same team a go this week?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeGoAgain on February 03, 2023, 04:03:43 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 03, 2023, 01:06:31 PM
    Give the same team a go this week?

    Can't see it tbh. Surely there will have to be some sort of changes in defence at least. Also imagine McCurry will be in from the start
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 03, 2023, 05:08:41 PM
    Quote from: WeGoAgain on February 03, 2023, 04:03:43 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 03, 2023, 01:06:31 PM
    Give the same team a go this week?

    Can't see it tbh. Surely there will have to be some sort of changes in defence at least. Also imagine McCurry will be in from the start

    Morgan
    McKernan
    Hampsey
    McCarron
    Devlin
    Burns
    Meyler
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Sludden
    Canavan
    Harte
    McCurry
    Donnelly
    McShane
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: jb81 on February 04, 2023, 08:53:28 AM
    Does anyone know is anywhere streaming the game tomorrow?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on February 04, 2023, 09:23:21 AM
    Think the Chinese are streaming it watch out for the balloon over Healy Park.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: jb81 on February 04, 2023, 07:47:27 PM
    Brilliant thanks..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 04, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
    Credit to our senior hurlers for their victory tonight. No doubt it was a difficult night for all involved.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Rois on February 04, 2023, 11:04:58 PM
    Two tix available - anyone? Would prefer to give to an adult and paisti ach cibé
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on February 05, 2023, 08:06:35 AM
    Very important game today, a loss and it's hard to see us staying up. We have to show a lot more intent today. In the last two games and going back to last year we've been happy to knock the ball around the 50 with no penetration. It's leading to dismal scoring returns.

    On another note whoever the PRO is in the county isn't doing a great job. A very important home game today and not one mention of it all week on twitter or Facebook. No efforts to try to get people behind the team. No links to tickets or making a deal of fact u16s get in free. Or no effort to point out the game isn't being broadcast anywhere - lot of people these days take easy option of watching at home. Things Not helped by the county management who I assume refuse to release and team or squad news. All this silence is increasing the apathy.

    Hopefully we see a bit of fight back today and pride restored to the jersey.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on February 05, 2023, 11:43:50 AM
    McCurry not starting today .... odd (if fit)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 05, 2023, 11:56:22 AM
    I'd be shocked to see that team start as selected. McCurry has to be on for a start.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on February 05, 2023, 03:48:19 PM
    I wonder if here will be quiet now, orr will we see the same exaggerated reaction to a singular result as we did last week?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 05, 2023, 03:52:17 PM
    Panic over for now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 05, 2023, 05:12:49 PM
    All Ireland champions elect after that result imo.

    Didn't see any of it yet. Any reports? Important 2 points all the same.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 05, 2023, 05:38:55 PM
    Important win, and good performance all round. Midfield much improved. McCurry very sharp,  Canavan just oozes class. He just has it.
    I think we even got a lift to see Ruairi and Joe Oguz added to the 26. A weeks break now to regroup and get some work done. Every fixture in Division 1 looks difficult, but equally every game looks winnable too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on February 05, 2023, 05:44:05 PM
    Frank Burns had a big performance, in from the start, helped Tyrone massively in transition. Kennedy and Kilpatrick very good in the middle and covered serious ground. Canavan and McCurry a real handful inside and a lot better from McShane in terms of showing and ball winning. McGeary and Meyler will have better days in a Tyrone jersey than today.
    Ruairi Canavan added to the Tyrone bench today, is that confirmation that he won't be released for U20s this year?
    Good to see Oguz back, hopefully see gametime over the remaining 5 games.
    In saying all that, Donegal absolutely awful, still be improvements needed to get anything from Galway or Mayo on the road.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 05, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
    I assume R Canavan didn't see any action today?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 05, 2023, 05:51:38 PM
    No I believe Canavan & Cush will line out for the u20s on 29th March. They will prob drop off the Senior panel a couple of weeks beforehand, and return then once the u20s season is concluded
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 05, 2023, 05:51:57 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 05, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
    I assume R Canavan didn't see any action today?

    No.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on February 05, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Why's that ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on February 05, 2023, 06:36:41 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on February 05, 2023, 05:44:05 PM
    Frank Burns had a big performance, in from the start, helped Tyrone massively in transition. Kennedy and Kilpatrick very good in the middle and covered serious ground. Canavan and McCurry a real handful inside and a lot better from McShane in terms of showing and ball winning. McGeary and Meyler will have better days in a Tyrone jersey than today.
    Ruairi Canavan added to the Tyrone bench today, is that confirmation that he won't be released for U20s this year?
    Good to see Oguz back, hopefully see gametime over the remaining 5 games.
    In saying all that, Donegal absolutely awful, still be improvements needed to get anything from Galway or Mayo on the road.

    Fair analysis...although I'd disagree on McGeary, thought he did well. Our defence along our 45 line was fantastic, turned over the ball multiple times and the tackling intensity was through the roof compared to previous games.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 05, 2023, 11:09:24 PM
    However early in the year it is we really needed a reaction after the last 2 games and we got it there. Some great scores and holding Donegal to 0-8 a fine effort after the 6 goals conceded against Derry and the Rossies.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on February 05, 2023, 11:47:46 PM
    I was surprised we didn't leave at least one forward in Donegal's half in the second half. Tyrone overturned the ball a few times only to find there was no one in their half to target, especially with that breeze.

    Donegal's tactics in the first half when behind were laughable. Not sure who was doing the booing but it was deserved.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 10, 2023, 12:20:56 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.

    You have to assume that means Conor Cush is gone also to the 20's. The correct decision for both lads in my opinion. Plenty of time for them after 20's is finished to rejoin senior set up if required.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on February 10, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.
    He was vice captain and there are not too many from last year's squad back so it would seem the logical choice.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:28:49 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 10, 2023, 12:20:56 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.

    You have to assume that means Conor Cush is gone also to the 20's. The correct decision for both lads in my opinion. Plenty of time for them after 20's is finished to rejoin senior set up if required.
    Looks like it. I'm told Cush played for the 20s in a challenge game last Saturday and hit 4-4.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 10, 2023, 02:03:42 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:28:49 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 10, 2023, 12:20:56 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.

    You have to assume that means Conor Cush is gone also to the 20's. The correct decision for both lads in my opinion. Plenty of time for them after 20's is finished to rejoin senior set up if required.
    Looks like it. I'm told Cush played for the 20s in a challenge game last Saturday and hit 4-4.

    be interesting to see a panel, but there must be serious firepower in this years U20's. Canavan & Cush aside you could still call on the likes of Ronan Cassidy, Lorcan McGarrity, Conor Owens, Gavin Potter, Cormac Devlin, Conor McElhom, Noah Grimes. Im sure ive missed a few others as well, thats just off the top of my head.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 10, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on February 10, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.
    He was vice captain and there are not too many from last year's squad back so it would seem the logical choice.

    According to Paul Devlin in the Irish News there are 17 still there from last year and 7 starters from the AI final v Kildare.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on February 10, 2023, 04:05:08 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 10, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on February 10, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.
    He was vice captain and there are not too many from last year's squad back so it would seem the logical choice.

    According to Paul Devlin in the Irish News there are 17 still there from last year and 7 starters from the AI final v Kildare.
    A lot more Thani thought. Icould only think of Canavan andCush initially.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on February 10, 2023, 04:17:21 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 10, 2023, 02:03:42 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:28:49 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 10, 2023, 12:20:56 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.

    You have to assume that means Conor Cush is gone also to the 20's. The correct decision for both lads in my opinion. Plenty of time for them after 20's is finished to rejoin senior set up if required.
    Looks like it. I'm told Cush played for the 20s in a challenge game last Saturday and hit 4-4.

    be interesting to see a panel, but there must be serious firepower in this years U20's. Canavan & Cush aside you could still call on the likes of Ronan Cassidy, Lorcan McGarrity, Conor Owens, Gavin Potter, Cormac Devlin, Conor McElhom, Noah Grimes. Im sure ive missed a few others as well, thats just off the top of my head.

    I don't think conor Owens is on the panel
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 10, 2023, 08:46:05 PM
    Markey, McLarnon & McRory schools cups all going to Tyrone this year. The conveyor belt is well & truly back fella's. Some fantastic talent in the county in the 18 to 21 age bracket
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 10, 2023, 10:53:10 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on February 10, 2023, 04:05:08 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 10, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on February 10, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 10, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is the U20 captain so that puts an end to the senior discussion. He will be able to go into the senior squad for the group stages if the 20s get out of Ulster.
    He was vice captain and there are not too many from last year's squad back so it would seem the logical choice.

    According to Paul Devlin in the Irish News there are 17 still there from last year and 7 starters from the AI final v Kildare.
    A lot more Thani thought. Icould only think of Canavan andCush initially.

    Of the top of my head, defenders - Rafferty, Muldoon, midfielder - McHugh, forwards - Cush, Canavan, McGarrity, O'Donnell plus obviously according to Paul Devlin another 10 from the bench. I possibly have missed 1 starter but not certain to be honest.
    A very strong panel but Derry were the All Irelands at this age group at minor level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on February 11, 2023, 12:03:12 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 10, 2023, 08:46:05 PM
    Markey, McLarnon & McRory schools cups all going to Tyrone this year. The conveyor belt is well & truly back fella's. Some fantastic talent in the county in the 18 to 21 age bracket

    With most of the the 21s playing with HTC
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on February 11, 2023, 08:38:35 AM
    If only other schools could make the same contribution to football as cookstown do
    The likes of Ballygawley & Stabane - would raise the standards even higher
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 11, 2023, 09:23:03 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 11, 2023, 12:03:12 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 10, 2023, 08:46:05 PM
    Markey, McLarnon & McRory schools cups all going to Tyrone this year. The conveyor belt is well & truly back fella's. Some fantastic talent in the county in the 18 to 21 age bracket

    With most of the the 21s playing with HTC

    How many older players HTC have?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 11, 2023, 10:03:27 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on February 11, 2023, 08:38:35 AM
    If only other schools could make the same contribution to football as cookstown do
    The likes of Ballygawley & Stabane - would raise the standards even higher

    +1

    The traditional big grammar schools have always poached & sought out to attract whatever footballing talent they could get their hands on. Nothing new here, it's just because Cookstown were always deemed to be Markey standard and have upset the traditional order, that they are being dissed with these posts
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on February 11, 2023, 11:24:00 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 10:03:27 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on February 11, 2023, 08:38:35 AM
    If only other schools could make the same contribution to football as cookstown do
    The likes of Ballygawley & Stabane - would raise the standards even higher

    +1

    The traditional big grammar schools have always poached & sought out to attract whatever footballing talent they could get their hands on. Nothing new here, it's just because Cookstown were always deemed to be Markey standard and have upset the traditional order, that they are being dissed with these posts

    If there are lads that have a-levels that would get them into uni and are only staying to play another year of football, then the people running cookstown are doing them a serious disservice encouraging them to stay on and effectively waste a year of their lives.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: FermGael on February 11, 2023, 01:48:25 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 10:03:27 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on February 11, 2023, 08:38:35 AM
    If only other schools could make the same contribution to football as cookstown do
    The likes of Ballygawley & Stabane - would raise the standards even higher

    +1

    The traditional big grammar schools have always poached & sought out to attract whatever footballing talent they could get their hands on. Nothing new here, it's just because Cookstown were always deemed to be Markey standard and have upset the traditional order, that they are being dissed with these posts

    I normally would love to see HTC doing so well.
    Great to see a school buck the trend and ruffle the feathers of the traditional powerhouses of schools football.

    But in this instance I hope Omagh CBS win.

    It's nothing to do with traditional order.
    They have players playing this year who are making a mockery of the schools system

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 11, 2023, 02:53:29 PM
    Quote from: FermGael on February 11, 2023, 01:48:25 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 10:03:27 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on February 11, 2023, 08:38:35 AM
    If only other schools could make the same contribution to football as cookstown do
    The likes of Ballygawley & Stabane - would raise the standards even higher

    +1

    The traditional big grammar schools have always poached & sought out to attract whatever footballing talent they could get their hands on. Nothing new here, it's just because Cookstown were always deemed to be Markey standard and have upset the traditional order, that they are being dissed with these posts

    I normally would love to see HTC doing so well.
    Great to see a school buck the trend and ruffle the feathers of the traditional powerhouses of schools football.

    But in this instance I hope Omagh CBS win.

    It's nothing to do with traditional order.
    They have players playing this year who are making a mockery of the schools system

    Name them please
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: FermGael on February 11, 2023, 04:08:41 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 02:53:29 PM
    Quote from: FermGael on February 11, 2023, 01:48:25 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 10:03:27 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on February 11, 2023, 08:38:35 AM
    If only other schools could make the same contribution to football as cookstown do
    The likes of Ballygawley & Stabane - would raise the standards even higher

    +1

    The traditional big grammar schools have always poached & sought out to attract whatever footballing talent they could get their hands on. Nothing new here, it's just because Cookstown were always deemed to be Markey standard and have upset the traditional order, that they are being dissed with these posts

    I normally would love to see HTC doing so well.
    Great to see a school buck the trend and ruffle the feathers of the traditional powerhouses of schools football.

    But in this instance I hope Omagh CBS win.

    It's nothing to do with traditional order.
    They have players playing this year who are making a mockery of the schools system

    Name them please

    Absolutely no way.
    The young men who are playing are not to blame
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 11, 2023, 04:22:00 PM
    Fair enough, but plenty of people have repeated one A level in the past, to get into the university course of your choice. Your career is the rest of your life. If HTC have benefited from a couple of these situations, cest la vie. Every player is eligible and within the rules. Too many people on twitter and this board are making vague and unsubstantiated accusations, "Tyrone U21s" there is no such thing as Tyrone U21s FFS)

    Anyway, great to have an all tyrone final. Looking forward to it massively & may the best team win
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LC on February 11, 2023, 04:59:04 PM
    The type of thing that seems to be going on at HTC leads to a situation where young lads fall into trap that football becomes a bigger priority than their studies.  They then go onto Uni whereby again with people still blowing smoke up their proverbial their studies fall down or in some cases off their priority list.  All well and good until they go looking a proper job in years to come.  J'town was full of boys like this in my time bumming about from course to another just so they could still tog out for Sigerson.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Nanderson on February 11, 2023, 06:18:20 PM
    Is ulster schools football u19?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 11, 2023, 06:32:05 PM
    Quote from: Nanderson on February 11, 2023, 06:18:20 PM
    Is ulster schools football u19?

    U19 1/2
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Nanderson on February 11, 2023, 06:53:24 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 06:32:05 PM
    Quote from: Nanderson on February 11, 2023, 06:18:20 PM
    Is ulster schools football u19?

    U19 1/2
    Is that so that it matches up with Southern schools for hogan Cup?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: imtommygunn on February 11, 2023, 07:07:56 PM
    I thought it was younger? Haven't noticed in a while but ulster teams used to typically lose players for the hogan cup.

    Under 19.5 too old for schools football tbh.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 11, 2023, 10:48:00 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 06:32:05 PM
    Quote from: Nanderson on February 11, 2023, 06:18:20 PM
    Is ulster schools football u19?

    U19 1/2
    Then why is a certain player coming 20 in the next few weeks. Hopefully omagh win as FermGael rightly says
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on February 12, 2023, 12:01:23 AM
    Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 11, 2023, 10:48:00 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 06:32:05 PM
    Quote from: Nanderson on February 11, 2023, 06:18:20 PM
    Is ulster schools football u19?

    U19 1/2
    Then why is a certain player coming 20 in the next few weeks. Hopefully omagh win as FermGael rightly says
    Are you saying you don't know how age grades work?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on February 12, 2023, 06:39:36 AM
    There is no player over age, and the u19.5 is a rule in place as that's the age in the south as they can have a year out. Omagh I'm told also have one student repeating and so did St Marys & Maghera. Something that all of them have been doing the last few years, but that doesn't suit the agenda.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: FermGael on February 12, 2023, 09:10:51 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 11, 2023, 04:22:00 PM
    Fair enough, but plenty of people have repeated one A level in the past, to get into the university course of your choice. Your career is the rest of your life. If HTC have benefited from a couple of these situations, cest la vie. Every player is eligible and within the rules. Too many people on twitter and this board are making vague and unsubstantiated accusations, "Tyrone U21s" there is no such thing as Tyrone U21s FFS)

    Anyway, great to have an all tyrone final. Looking forward to it massively & may the best team win

    Again have no issue with people having to repeat A Levels and if they are eligible then so be it.
    That is not the issue here

    Here's a few rules from the official Gaa handbook about eligibility to represent your school

    "(ii)Attending a whole time/full time course for a minimum of 21 hours per week, and whose name is on the School register on 1st October and the 1st of February of the relevant School year
    iii) Who is studying at least 5 subjects (Republic of Ireland) or at least two subjects or their equivalent at AS/A2 Level (north of Ireland). 

    iv) Who is not in receipt of remuneration for employment between 9.00 to 16.00 hours Monday to Friday during the normal school week. A student who has commenced a training course which for the purposes of obtaining full time employment shall be deemed to be ineligible to represent his School once he has commenced the course. 


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 13, 2023, 07:41:28 PM
    The age should be 18 and a half, last year of Year 14, simply put Cookstown have players who are basically year 15, it's a joke. Nobody repeating year 14 should be allowed to play for school, repeats at St Mary's couldn't do it years ago. Basically a fresher against school level. Can't understand who changed the age brackets, shouldn't still he at school at 19 unless doing a repeat. 1 day a week at school doesn't cut it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 13, 2023, 11:07:10 PM
    From watching the game yesterday, Tyrone should have another good talent pool coming through over the next 5 years. For some, yesterday was their everest, but there is definitely numerous lads who should have ambitions of kicking on.

    Delighted with the three schools winning at the three levels. It shows you how much football clearly means to young lads in the county. Digging deeper at senior football in the schools, The Academy made the semi final and could have made the final, St Ciarans seemed to have a major off year but history has them always being competitive and Strabane were beaten after Extra Time by the team that got to the final against The Dean. I'm not sure how other schools got on in lower levels (as I complained before, the advertising of fixtures and results is shocking by Ulster Colleges), but overall Tyrone should be in a very good place over the coming years - so long as the right people can harvest the talent.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 15, 2023, 08:48:55 AM
    Whats the thoughts on the weekend then? I'd be fairly confident of taking the 2 points back up the road. Galway without Comer and Walsh are a totally different team and I'd be very disappointed if we couldn't beat them without those 2 men. 2 wins out of 3 would be a decent return at this stage of the league. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 19, 2023, 03:03:28 PM
    Midfield has gone awol.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 19, 2023, 03:12:34 PM
    That's at least 3 games in the last 12 months we have had the wind in the 2nd half and we hadn't a clue how to use it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 19, 2023, 03:13:44 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on February 19, 2023, 03:03:28 PM
    Midfield has gone awol.

    Whole team has gone awol here. Similar to the Roscommon game in that Tyrone played well against the wind then started the second-half strongly and had the game in their hands, then fell apart. Terrible decision making, lack of composure and lack of leadership.

    I did suspect that the Donegal win was greatly down to Donegal being awful on the day but hoped it might be a confidence booster for us and something to build on, but apparently not. It's still early enough in the season but very hard to see reasons for optimism here I'm afraid.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 19, 2023, 04:40:31 PM
    Travelling home here, hateful journey after a bad performance.
    The thought struck me at the end there, we are a very passive characterless side. You'd think a panel littered with underage success, Ulster senior championships and an all ireland would have a bit more character, nous, skill and fight. Its just not there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 19, 2023, 04:52:32 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 15, 2023, 08:48:55 AM
    Whats the thoughts on the weekend then? I'd be fairly confident of taking the 2 points back up the road. Galway without Comer and Walsh are a totally different team and I'd be very disappointed if we couldn't beat them without those 2 men. 2 wins out of 3 would be a decent return at this stage of the league.

    Yip very disappointed to be beaten by a Galway team missing Walsh and Comer. A 3 point defeat flattered us and to be honest I can't see this being turned around. Benefit of the doubt was given last year but too many players out of form for a full year now and showing zero sign of it coming back. Throwing on Canavan having played yesterday for u20s was a desperate throw of the dice. Our defending has become a serious weak point. Either the attacker gets through for a shot or he is fouled.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on February 19, 2023, 04:59:49 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 05, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Why's that ?

    That's why jimbob
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on February 19, 2023, 05:14:00 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 19, 2023, 04:59:49 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 05, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Why's that ?

    That's why jimbob

    You haven't slept for a fortnight waiting to post that response. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on February 19, 2023, 05:16:25 PM
    Not atal, you lost the run over a victory over a terrible
    Donegal side, who once again were well beat today. Crazy if you expect anything different next week away to Mayo, then Kerry (who will have be up a gear or 2 by then)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on February 19, 2023, 05:31:16 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 19, 2023, 05:16:25 PM
    Not atal, you lost the run over a victory over a terrible
    Donegal side, who once again were well beat today. Crazy if you expect anything different next week away to Mayo, then Kerry (who will have be up a gear or 2 by then)

    You waited a fortnight 🤣🤣 I'd forgotten I'd posted that.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 19, 2023, 05:37:38 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 19, 2023, 05:14:00 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 19, 2023, 04:59:49 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 05, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Why's that ?

    That's why jimbob

    You haven't slept for a fortnight waiting to post that response. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    He is right though

    We have better footballers than Derry for example, but they will beat us this year, handily. Why is that?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 19, 2023, 06:42:33 PM
    Only seen bits n pieces but galway looked as though they dominated midfield.  That was OK back in the day when we had no big lads.  Now we do have we should be doing better.  Am I being harsh as I didn't see the whole game?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on February 19, 2023, 06:43:49 PM
    Hampsey was marking Tierney for two marked kickouts in the second half when Kilpatrick, Kennedy and Oguz were all on the field.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 19, 2023, 07:03:00 PM
    Poor result overall. Defending and tackling in general let us down. Kennedy and Con seem too focused on stopping the opposition players from winning the kickout rather than winning it themselves. Amount of fouls they do generally on kick outs is silly.

    However in saying the above tyrone had about 3 very good goal chances and didn't take any of them due to poor handling. Same as roscommon game. They could have easily won both those games.

    I hope these issus will sort themselves out in the better weather.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tbrick18 on February 19, 2023, 09:20:41 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 19, 2023, 05:37:38 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 19, 2023, 05:14:00 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 19, 2023, 04:59:49 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 05, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Why's that ?

    That's why jimbob

    You haven't slept for a fortnight waiting to post that response. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    He is right though

    We have better footballers than Derry for example, but they will beat us this year, handily. Why is that?

    I'll bite. Why do you think that? I certainly don't see any evidence of that.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on February 19, 2023, 09:38:49 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 19, 2023, 06:43:49 PM
    Hampsey was marking Tierney for two marked kickouts in the second half when Kilpatrick, Kennedy and Oguz were all on the field.

    This imo swung the game, galway got 2 or 3 scores off that and it lifted them to see the game out, where Tyrone absolutely butchered 3 point scoring chances with nice build up play (sludden, hampsey and canavan) at the start of the 2nd half which would have i think given them momentum to go ahead. Some of the shot selections was shocking but don't think it was a bad performance as strange as that sounds
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 19, 2023, 10:14:46 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on February 19, 2023, 09:38:49 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 19, 2023, 06:43:49 PM
    Hampsey was marking Tierney for two marked kickouts in the second half when Kilpatrick, Kennedy and Oguz were all on the field.

    This imo swung the game, galway got 2 or 3 scores off that and it lifted them to see the game out, where Tyrone absolutely butchered 3 point scoring chances with nice build up play (sludden, hampsey and canavan) at the start of the 2nd half which would have i think given them momentum to go ahead. Some of the shot selections was shocking but don't think it was a bad performance as strange as that sounds

    This while Kennedy was moved to full forward. Still not sure about Kennedy at this level tbh.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on February 20, 2023, 08:05:54 AM
    Like when Harte was manager I wouldn't be getting too carried away at this time of year either way. Two years ago when Tyrone won the All Ireland they were poor enough in the league despite making the semi finals. I would still be concerned though as we never got going last year at all and are playing close to our full 15.

    The team are getting out worked, out fought and out ran against any kind of decent opposition. In all the defeats this year they have played against the wind in the first half (and are choosing to when get the chance). They are then entering the game with a real negative mindset and trying to slow everything down and waste time in the first half. This is summed up by the constant back passing to Morgan who then holds it for as long as possible. They are afraid to shoot against the wind and happy to go in behind. Then in the second half they are having to chase the game. If they'd been clinical in the first 15 minutes of it in both games they would probably have won the matches. But instead they've had to continue to chase it and then leaving huge gaps at the back.

    Compare the way we played against the wind to both Roscommon and Galway. They ran at pace right down the heart of the Tyrone defence scoring far more than we did against it. Our play is so much slower and so predictable with everything going wide and recycled. We also have to show a lot more fight and hunger to win primary possession in the middle. As someone else said we are playing big midfielders but getting cleaned out in the air.


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on February 20, 2023, 11:01:04 AM
    Quote from: tbrick18 on February 19, 2023, 09:20:41 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 19, 2023, 05:37:38 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 19, 2023, 05:14:00 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 19, 2023, 04:59:49 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 05, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Why's that ?

    That's why jimbob

    You haven't slept for a fortnight waiting to post that response. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    He is right though

    We have better footballers than Derry for example, but they will beat us this year, handily. Why is that?

    I'll bite. Why do you think that? I certainly don't see any evidence of that.

    I think he means the players there have the potential to play better than they current are. History would show that most of these plays have a AI already, and have a history of making the AI's semi's on a regular basis. Derry have a bit of work to prove they are better. Especially considering they are in D2.
    For what it's worth, I think Tyrone's squad is stronger too. But badly out of form. Something the managers should be concerned with.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
    Doogan not up to it.

    Get Malachy O'Rourke lined up for next year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 20, 2023, 12:06:56 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
    Doogan not up to it.

    Get Malachy O'Rourke lined up for next year.

    Mark Harte lined up next.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 20, 2023, 12:09:51 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
    Doogan not up to it.

    Get Malachy O'Rourke lined up for next year.

    That would be my choice too, but it would be a bit of a shift in policy. I dont believe Tyrone have ever had an outside manager, even if O'Rourke has lived longer in Ballygawley than he ever did in Fermanagh
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 20, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 20, 2023, 12:09:51 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
    Doogan not up to it.

    Get Malachy O'Rourke lined up for next year.

    That would be my choice too, but it would be a bit of a shift in policy. I dont believe Tyrone have ever had an outside manager, even if O'Rourke has lived longer in Ballygawley than he ever did in Fermanagh

    John Donnelly early 90's?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 20, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on February 20, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 20, 2023, 12:09:51 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
    Doogan not up to it.

    Get Malachy O'Rourke lined up for next year.

    That would be my choice too, but it would be a bit of a shift in policy. I dont believe Tyrone have ever had an outside manager, even if O'Rourke has lived longer in Ballygawley than he ever did in Fermanagh

    John Donnelly early 90's?

    Good shout, i stand corrected
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 03:31:07 PM
    O'Rourke is a tyrone man. End of!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on February 20, 2023, 08:40:22 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
    Doogan not up to it.

    Get Malachy O'Rourke lined up for next year.


    MOR has tried to conquer Croke Park ....didn't succeed unlike Logan & Dooher.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on February 20, 2023, 09:00:27 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 20, 2023, 08:40:22 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
    Doogan not up to it.

    Get Malachy O'Rourke lined up for next year.


    MOR has tried to conquer Croke Park ....didn't succeed unlike Logan & Dooher.

    Ridiculous statement
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on February 20, 2023, 09:54:57 PM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on February 20, 2023, 09:00:27 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on February 20, 2023, 08:40:22 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 20, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
    Doogan not up to it.

    Get Malachy O'Rourke lined up for next year.


    MOR has tried to conquer Croke Park ....didn't succeed unlike Logan & Dooher.

    Ridiculous statement

    It's not. Look at his record with Monaghan. Could do it in Ulster but couldn't do the business in Croker
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 21, 2023, 07:42:38 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 20, 2023, 08:05:54 AM
    Like when Harte was manager I wouldn't be getting too carried away at this time of year either way. Two years ago when Tyrone won the All Ireland they were poor enough in the league despite making the semi finals. I would still be concerned though as we never got going last year at all and are playing close to our full 15.

    The team are getting out worked, out fought and out ran against any kind of decent opposition. In all the defeats this year they have played against the wind in the first half (and are choosing to when get the chance). They are then entering the game with a real negative mindset and trying to slow everything down and waste time in the first half. This is summed up by the constant back passing to Morgan who then holds it for as long as possible. They are afraid to shoot against the wind and happy to go in behind. Then in the second half they are having to chase the game. If they'd been clinical in the first 15 minutes of it in both games they would probably have won the matches. But instead they've had to continue to chase it and then leaving huge gaps at the back.

    Compare the way we played against the wind to both Roscommon and Galway. They ran at pace right down the heart of the Tyrone defence scoring far more than we did against it. Our play is so much slower and so predictable with everything going wide and recycled. We also have to show a lot more fight and hunger to win primary possession in the middle. As someone else said we are playing big midfielders but getting cleaned out in the air.

    Its a compressed season now. Its completely different scenario, Tyrone will be finished up in June for another 6 months or so.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on February 21, 2023, 07:48:34 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 21, 2023, 07:42:38 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 20, 2023, 08:05:54 AM
    Like when Harte was manager I wouldn't be getting too carried away at this time of year either way. Two years ago when Tyrone won the All Ireland they were poor enough in the league despite making the semi finals. I would still be concerned though as we never got going last year at all and are playing close to our full 15.

    The team are getting out worked, out fought and out ran against any kind of decent opposition. In all the defeats this year they have played against the wind in the first half (and are choosing to when get the chance). They are then entering the game with a real negative mindset and trying to slow everything down and waste time in the first half. This is summed up by the constant back passing to Morgan who then holds it for as long as possible. They are afraid to shoot against the wind and happy to go in behind. Then in the second half they are having to chase the game. If they'd been clinical in the first 15 minutes of it in both games they would probably have won the matches. But instead they've had to continue to chase it and then leaving huge gaps at the back.

    Compare the way we played against the wind to both Roscommon and Galway. They ran at pace right down the heart of the Tyrone defence scoring far more than we did against it. Our play is so much slower and so predictable with everything going wide and recycled. We also have to show a lot more fight and hunger to win primary possession in the middle. As someone else said we are playing big midfielders but getting cleaned out in the air.

    Its a compressed season now. Its completely different scenario, Tyrone will be finished up in June for another 6 months or so.

    The performances in the league were poor enough in 2021 and they conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the semi final. Just over two months later they beat them in the All Ireland semi final. It is still relatively early - Kerry themselves haven't even started yet. I'd like to see a strong finish to the league to show signs of improvement - both in terms of a system and desire from the players.

    This is a great test this Saturday night. It's been a poor start to the league and now they have a chance to turn it round on a good surface in front of a big crowd against one of the form teams in the country. It wouldn't shock me if there was an improvement and they picked up the points.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 21, 2023, 10:48:01 AM
    Quote from: the_daddy on February 21, 2023, 10:40:24 AM
    It's only the league and you can't read much into it but the most concerning thing was the lack of ambition shown in Roscommon & Tuam in both first halfs playing against the wind. It was clear that the intention was get to half time and not be too far behind but it was a tough watch, always going sideways, a seeming refusal to kick it forward unless one of the midfielders had drifted into FF. I don't remember many Tyrone games in Castlebar being affected by conditions so it shouldn't be a factor on Saturday.

    I watched McShane win ball inside the 14, then look up and KICK IT back out past the 40! Like WTF? Turn and take the man on... that is your job! No urgency. No risk taking. Go at them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2023, 07:12:43 PM
    Emmett mcnabb left the panel
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 21, 2023, 07:17:33 PM
    If you're not playing for Tyrone these days you leave
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on February 21, 2023, 07:28:47 PM
    McNabb, O'Neill, Bradley, McKenna, Donaghy, Lee Brennan, Michael Cassidy, Rory Brennan, Tiarnan McCann. Tyrone's panel would be seriously stronger if even half of those lads were still about, it's a crazy amount of quality men to walk away over the past couple of years and it's no doubt left Tyrone short on a bit of quality.

    Is McNamee due back anytime soon? Him, Harte & Mattie will probably all retire any year now also you would imagine.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on February 21, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
    Not counting the two lads with the 20s, what out and out forwards do we have at the minute does anyone know
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on February 21, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on February 21, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
    Not counting the two lads with the 20s, what out and out forwards do we have at the minute does anyone know

    DD Mulgrew is the only proper forward on the bench now
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on February 21, 2023, 08:44:54 PM
    Well that's very worrying
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 21, 2023, 08:45:02 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on February 21, 2023, 07:28:47 PM
    McNabb, O'Neill, Bradley, McKenna, Donaghy, Lee Brennan, Michael Cassidy, Rory Brennan, Tiarnan McCann. Tyrone's panel would be seriously stronger if even half of those lads were still about, it's a crazy amount of quality men to walk away over the past couple of years and it's no doubt left Tyrone short on a bit of quality.

    Is McNamee due back anytime soon? Him, Harte & Mattie will probably all retire any year now also you would imagine.

    Mcnamee was on bench v Galway
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 21, 2023, 08:50:04 PM
    He wasn't on the bench in the finish up. Ryan Jones took his spot.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 21, 2023, 08:50:29 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on February 21, 2023, 08:45:02 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on February 21, 2023, 07:28:47 PM
    McNabb, O'Neill, Bradley, McKenna, Donaghy, Lee Brennan, Michael Cassidy, Rory Brennan, Tiarnan McCann. Tyrone's panel would be seriously stronger if even half of those lads were still about, it's a crazy amount of quality men to walk away over the past couple of years and it's no doubt left Tyrone short on a bit of quality.

    Is McNamee due back anytime soon? Him, Harte & Mattie will probably all retire any year now also you would imagine.

    Surely too many for management not being an issue?

    Mcnamee was on bench v Galway
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on February 22, 2023, 08:20:41 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on February 21, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on February 21, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
    Not counting the two lads with the 20s, what out and out forwards do we have at the minute does anyone know

    DD Mulgrew is the only proper forward on the bench now

    You'd wonder why they picked out Liam Nugent to be the only man to drop from the panel when you see how short of scoring forwards they are. Think thye told him sure we might need you later in the year and he told them your alright!!! Maybe if he was from Moy Omagh or Errigal he would have survived!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on February 22, 2023, 08:53:39 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 22, 2023, 08:20:41 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on February 21, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on February 21, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
    Not counting the two lads with the 20s, what out and out forwards do we have at the minute does anyone know

    DD Mulgrew is the only proper forward on the bench now

    You'd wonder why they picked out Liam Nugent to be the only man to drop from the panel when you see how short of scoring forwards they are. Think thye told him sure we might need you later in the year and he told them your alright!!! Maybe if he was from Moy Omagh or Errigal he would have survived!

    How many Moy or Omagh men are in the panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 22, 2023, 09:11:39 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 22, 2023, 08:20:41 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on February 21, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on February 21, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
    Not counting the two lads with the 20s, what out and out forwards do we have at the minute does anyone know

    DD Mulgrew is the only proper forward on the bench now

    You'd wonder why they picked out Liam Nugent to be the only man to drop from the panel when you see how short of scoring forwards they are. Think thye told him sure we might need you later in the year and he told them your alright!!! Maybe if he was from Moy Omagh or Errigal he would have survived!

    Nugent wasn't the only man dropped from the panel that week. Two other lads (ironically from Omagh) were also dropped as far as I know. Eoin Corey & Aidan Clarke

    All 3 lads should have been kept on as the NFL was only starting and for sure injuries would happen and full squad would be needed. But they maybe left on their own accord.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 22, 2023, 09:54:39 AM
    What a sorry mess this is, and no matter what way you dress it up, it reflects very very poorly on the management.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on February 22, 2023, 10:02:02 AM
    Is it true about Conor Quinn leaving or just rumour?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on February 22, 2023, 10:36:11 AM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on February 22, 2023, 10:02:02 AM
    Is it true about Conor Quinn leaving or just rumour?

    True, he left a few weeks ago.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 22, 2023, 10:45:02 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 22, 2023, 08:53:39 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 22, 2023, 08:20:41 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on February 21, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on February 21, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
    Not counting the two lads with the 20s, what out and out forwards do we have at the minute does anyone know

    DD Mulgrew is the only proper forward on the bench now

    You'd wonder why they picked out Liam Nugent to be the only man to drop from the panel when you see how short of scoring forwards they are. Think thye told him sure we might need you later in the year and he told them your alright!!! Maybe if he was from Moy Omagh or Errigal he would have survived!

    How many Moy or Omagh men are in the panel?

    Plunkett Donaghy and Seanie Meyler recalled.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on February 22, 2023, 11:13:05 AM
    Very disappointed  in the lack of quality  scoring  forwards on the panel. Will hurt us down  the line unless we can sort it out but it's probably  too late now. Is conroy still  on the panel? Would  have liked to see him get game time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 22, 2023, 11:21:13 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on February 22, 2023, 11:13:05 AM
    Very disappointed  in the lack of quality  scoring  forwards on the panel. Will hurt us down  the line unless we can sort it out but it's probably  too late now. Is conroy still  on the panel? Would  have liked to see him get game time.

    Conroy gone travelling

    Anyone know whats the story re McGleenan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on February 22, 2023, 11:35:59 AM
    Mc gleenan was definitely  injured about 5 weeks  ago but not sure what  way he is now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ireland2019 on February 22, 2023, 01:18:41 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 22, 2023, 09:11:39 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 22, 2023, 08:20:41 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on February 21, 2023, 08:23:46 PM
    Quote from: clubman21 on February 21, 2023, 08:05:08 PM
    Not counting the two lads with the 20s, what out and out forwards do we have at the minute does anyone know

    DD Mulgrew is the only proper forward on the bench now
    [/quote]

    You'd wonder why they picked out Liam Nugent to be the only man to drop from the panel when you see how short of scoring forwards they are. Think thye told him sure we might need you later in the year and he told them your alright!!! Maybe if he was from Moy Omagh or Errigal he would have survived!

    Nugent wasn't the only man dropped from the panel that week. Two other lads (ironically from Omagh) were also dropped as far as I know. Eoin Corey & Aidan Clarke

    All 3 lads should have been kept on as the NFL was only starting and for sure injuries would happen and full squad would be needed. But they maybe left on their own accord.

    Believe Clarke wasn't dropped, he's for Australia for AFL. Trials with Sydney swans & Geelong cats
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on February 22, 2023, 04:11:52 PM
    Why are we annoyed with these men leaving? We don't play a game based on scoring forwards. There are 3 places up for grabs. Darragh, ruairi and mcurry/ mcshane.  Our half forward line in last year's championship were all half backs essentially.  We are a defense minded team running the ball from deep. Meyler and Mc Geary are class workers and tacklers but what scoring threat do they posess - point or two a game. Compare that to Dublin Kerry and Mayo.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clubman21 on February 22, 2023, 05:04:50 PM
    3 places up for grabs with the need for an extra 2-3 to come each game plus another 2-3 quality squad players pushing for those places additionally is what's required. We maybe have 4-5 people in the squad currently who play inside for their respective clubs. 2 of those playing under 20
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Take_her_back_ref on February 22, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on February 22, 2023, 04:11:52 PM
    Why are we annoyed with these men leaving? We don't play a game based on scoring forwards. There are 3 places up for grabs. Darragh, ruairi and mcurry/ mcshane.  Our half forward line in last year's championship were all half backs essentially.  We are a defense minded team running the ball from deep. Meyler and Mc Geary are class workers and tacklers but what scoring threat do they posess - point or two a game. Compare that to Dublin Kerry and Mayo.

    Is he really? The only way McGeary would be classed as a good tackler was if the aim of tackling was to foul.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on February 22, 2023, 10:12:46 PM
    McNabb was injured for Tyrone the last two years, don't think he's much of a loss.


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on February 25, 2023, 07:32:57 PM
    Doogan Out.

    The shooting is like U14 grade 3. Mcshane dd and other
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 25, 2023, 07:33:44 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 25, 2023, 07:32:57 PM
    Doogan Out.

    The shooting is like U14 grade 3. Mcshane dd and other

    Can't see us staying up now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on February 25, 2023, 07:46:10 PM
    It's half time in the fourth match. Plenty to play for yet.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on February 25, 2023, 07:54:23 PM
    Some bright moments the opening 20, But so many passengers in this current team. Any so susceptible right down the middle
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 25, 2023, 07:59:36 PM
    That Keystone money looks to have well spent on McShane. Coyle would've been better setting fire to it on Stewartstown Main Street.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on February 25, 2023, 08:27:12 PM
    Between meyler & kennedy I don't know who is the worse footballer?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on February 25, 2023, 08:28:38 PM
    Remember Killarney 2021. All Ireland's aren't won in February.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on February 25, 2023, 08:30:47 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2023, 08:28:38 PM
    Remember Killarney 2021. All Ireland's aren't won in February.


    Mental this is still the go to argument. Shite for 18 months sir
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 25, 2023, 08:31:01 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on February 25, 2023, 07:46:10 PM
    It's half time in the fourth match. Plenty to play for yet.

    The body language says otherwise.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 25, 2023, 08:34:55 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 25, 2023, 08:27:12 PM
    Between meyler & kennedy I don't know who is the worse footballer?

    Hard to believe Kennedy is the best MF in Tyrone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 25, 2023, 08:39:04 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2023, 08:28:38 PM
    Remember Killarney 2021. All Ireland's aren't won in February.

    Remember Omagh 2022 and Armagh 2022? Are we constantly going to refer back to that hammering in Killarney?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on February 25, 2023, 08:40:23 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 25, 2023, 08:39:04 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2023, 08:28:38 PM
    Remember Killarney 2021. All Ireland's aren't won in February.

    Remember Omagh 2022 and Armagh 2022? Are we constantly going to refer back to that hammering in Killarney?

    Yes.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 25, 2023, 08:44:30 PM
    Unbelievable poor tonight. Peter Harte decision making on the ball was awful, turned over a few times when easy scores could have been registered. Is he not allowed to shoot?

    The defense in non existent. Hampsey looks lost completely, there is no drive or passion left. Very concerning watching Tyrone capitulating as soon as they are put under pressure
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Twobounces on February 25, 2023, 08:48:17 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 25, 2023, 08:39:04 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on February 25, 2023, 08:28:38 PM
    Remember Killarney 2021. All Ireland's aren't won in February.

    Remember Omagh 2022 and Armagh 2022? Are we constantly going to refer back to that hammering in Killarney?

    Biggest problem is that the quality of the squad has dropped badly from them. We have no subs to come on and change the game for us and some players are badly out of form.

    Two biggest concerns is that we are conceding goals far too easily like 4 tonight could hsve been more and we aren't scoring any goals.

    We look like a team at the moment once a team gets in front of us we can't dig ourselves out of it and it's a big ask for us to stay up now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 25, 2023, 08:54:03 PM
    This management team have had more than enough chances.  Is it a case of waiting to be embarrassed in championship or can we be brave and get rid now.  Absolutely awful
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on February 25, 2023, 10:15:16 PM
    It was a tough run of fixtures, 3 away games in Connacht including two long trips in 6 days. 

    But no such excuses with the 3 rounds left. Still in our hands. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 25, 2023, 11:11:46 PM
    We'll get a performance and win when we least expect it. Wouldn't put it past us to beat Kerry at home.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 25, 2023, 11:17:42 PM
    What people making of cormac Quinn? Shocking display by most. Mccurry and burns best of the bunch. Canavan tried hard but plenty of mistakes
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 5times5times on February 25, 2023, 11:38:02 PM
    As it stands we have a relegation shootout vs Armagh last game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 26, 2023, 12:04:09 AM
    Alot of pussy footying around here.  Out de feck
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on February 26, 2023, 06:32:16 AM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 25, 2023, 08:54:03 PM
    This management team have had more than enough chances.  Is it a case of waiting to be embarrassed in championship or can we be brave and get rid now.  Absolutely awful

    Quote from: An Watcher on February 26, 2023, 12:04:09 AM
    Alot of pussy footying around here.  Out de feck

    Calling for managers heads mid-season  ::) This isn't soccer.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 26, 2023, 10:27:56 AM
    I know the game is up at this stage but this is shocking defending.

    https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1629580888764735488?s=46&t=O7zD1MGJnYWNDLG80ohREw
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on February 26, 2023, 11:03:28 AM
    seriously average stuff, massive transition in progress as the centre of defence is non existent, munroe just isn't the standard and Harte is has never been a centre half, up front - outside mccurry things are v light, canavan looks the part but unless he gets in the ball in a bit of broken play he is easily enough nullified - Stopping goals and trying to score at least 15 points to put yourself in a position to win a game seem to be a step to far for this group atm and it will be tough viewing for a few years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on February 26, 2023, 11:08:29 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 26, 2023, 10:27:56 AM
    I know the game is up at this stage but this is shocking defending.

    https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1629580888764735488?s=46&t=O7zD1MGJnYWNDLG80ohREw

    Kennedy follows someone out to side line and leaves the clear run to goal.

    This is basic

    You would be annoyed at u14 doing this.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on February 26, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 26, 2023, 10:27:56 AM
    I know the game is up at this stage but this is shocking defending.

    https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1629580888764735488?s=46&t=O7zD1MGJnYWNDLG80ohREw

    Same thing happened for the first goal v Roscommon. Long stoppage followed by Ciaran Murtagh taking the free.. ghosting into the box wide open.
    We don't seem to be learning from even the most basic mistakes.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 26, 2023, 11:55:58 AM
    Where do we go? What have people made of oguz and c quinn?

    Reintroducing Mulgrew and Munroe doesn't seem an improvement at all
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 26, 2023, 02:09:52 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 26, 2023, 11:55:58 AM
    Where do we go? What have people made of oguz and c quinn?

    Reintroducing Mulgrew and Munroe doesn't seem an improvement at all

    God you're mad keen to get people's opinion on Cormac Quinn. For what it's worth I actually think he has went well. Think Oguz could be a good operator at this level also.

    Munroe was harshly booked yesterday imo
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 26, 2023, 02:23:12 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 26, 2023, 02:09:52 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 26, 2023, 11:55:58 AM
    Where do we go? What have people made of oguz and c quinn?

    Reintroducing Mulgrew and Munroe doesn't seem an improvement at all

    God you're mad keen to get people's opinion on Cormac Quinn. For what it's worth I actually think he has went well. Think Oguz could be a good operator at this level also.

    Munroe was harshly booked yesterday imo

    Must be a mate of Cormac Quinn's or something. He's looks ok nothing really stand out about him but looks like a solid enough option. Type of payer that will be a 6 or 7 at most out of 10 most days. Can't really judge Oguz yet. Had a few bright moments last night.

    What do you make of them NotedObserver??
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 26, 2023, 06:04:45 PM
    Cormac quinn had a mare last night when introduced. Made 3 mistakes in his first 3 involvements. He has been ok before that. Have more hope for Oguz
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 26, 2023, 06:22:44 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on February 26, 2023, 06:04:45 PM
    Cormac quinn had a mare last night when introduced. Made 3 mistakes in his first 3 involvements. He has been ok before that. Have more hope for Oguz

    Quinn started the game UL. He was only reintroduced after going off for 2 minutes due to blood injury. Our half back line has been a problem. Not fair to be honest on Quinn & Devlin both been introduced to the starting team along side PH who is not a natural CHB. All 3 have looked all over the place at times but then so have a lot of players to be honest.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on February 26, 2023, 08:22:56 PM
    Meant to say reintroduced
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on March 01, 2023, 09:53:44 AM
    Big game this  weekend  lads. Be interesting  to see if any of meyler, harte or mc Shane lose their  places.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 01, 2023, 11:08:39 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on March 01, 2023, 09:53:44 AM
    Big game this  weekend  lads. Be interesting  to see if any of meyler, harte or mc Shane lose their  places.

    Would say McShane most likely with the return of Mattie Donnelly. McShane was going well at start of year inside on his own, not sure he is great with trying to link up with other forwards in with him. The midfielder into FF tactic not really working in his favour either. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 01, 2023, 11:15:47 AM
    The writing is on the wall for tyrone this year unfortunately. There won't be any major turn around like in 2021. Back then we had a far stronger panel with players pushing each other for places.

    Tyrone might hold onto division 1 status but come championship the first strong team they meet and they are out.

    Before dooher and Co were appointed I said give them at least 3 years to stamp their mark on the team however its gotten worse. We aren't even losing playing attacking football, we are hardly playing football at all.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: lumpitin on March 01, 2023, 11:59:46 AM
    From the outside looks like dooher and logan dont have a clue....

    While up the road in Louth mickey is working absolute wonders with lets be real, a poor louth team

    Should have held onto him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on March 01, 2023, 12:12:19 PM
    Quote from: lumpitin on March 01, 2023, 11:59:46 AM
    From the outside looks like dooher and logan dont have a clue....

    While up the road in Louth mickey is working absolute wonders with lets be real, a poor louth team

    Should have held onto him
    good  job we didn't or we wouldn't have won our fourth all Ireland.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 01, 2023, 12:14:21 PM
    Quote from: lumpitin on March 01, 2023, 11:59:46 AM
    From the outside looks like dooher and logan dont have a clue....

    While up the road in Louth mickey is working absolute wonders with lets be real, a poor louth team

    Should have held onto him

    Naw it was time to let mickey go. Tyrone wouldnt have won the all ireland with him as he was too cautious. Mickey turned great at bit getting hammered but was always too cautious to win the big prize.

    Tyrone need a mixed approach with a more direct style of football. Get another manager in who has a clear plan and give them a few years to implement it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on March 01, 2023, 01:16:13 PM
    The biggest problem with L&D is that there is no discernable style of football evident.

    The AI was won off the back of Harte's defensive approach, with a little bit more freedom given to forwards and a quicker transition.

    Last year and this year..... no idea what the style the team is trying to implement - it's neither this fabled 'front foot' attacking play, nor park the bus, nor any coherent mix of the 2.

    If it's a case of building a team that can adapt and switch styles to suit games, or even within games, that's fine...but you have to be proficient at one thing as a default baseline and then develop the other options over a year or 2.....

    Tyrone seem to be 5/10 at everything currently
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 01, 2023, 01:52:10 PM
    Quote from: tyroneman on March 01, 2023, 01:16:13 PM
    The biggest problem with L&D is that there is no discernable style of football evident.

    The AI was won off the back of Harte's defensive approach, with a little bit more freedom given to forwards and a quicker transition.

    Last year and this year..... no idea what the style the team is trying to implement - it's neither this fabled 'front foot' attacking play, nor park the bus, nor any coherent mix of the 2.

    If it's a case of building a team that can adapt and switch styles to suit games, or even within games, that's fine...but you have to either be proficient at one thing as a default baseline and then develop the other options at least over a year or 2.....

    Tyrone seem to be 5/10 at everything currently

    I think that's a fair summary. I can see us trying to go fairly defensive this week against Kerry. If we are shipping 3 goals to Roscommon and 4 goals to Mayo with our current approach (whatever that is) then its probably the sensible option.

    We've beaten Kerry is our last 3 games - going to stick my neck on the line and go for a Tyrone win by 2 points on Sunday. . . and then probably beat by Monaghan and Armagh!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 01, 2023, 03:21:50 PM
    Fully agree, L&D won it with MH team but the lads had a lift with new management in. Now that they have been in charge for some time its clear they haven't really got a clue.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 01, 2023, 07:05:37 PM
    Yeah - Dooher x3 AI as a player / x2 as captain (how many others in GAA have done this?)
    X 1 AI u21 as manager - x1 AI senior as manager

    But doesn't have a clue (according to some idiot who posts on a message board)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 01, 2023, 07:47:42 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 01, 2023, 07:05:37 PM
    Yeah - Dooher x3 AI as a player / x2 as captain (how many others in GAA have done this?)
    X 1 AI u21 as manager - x1 AI senior as manager

    But doesn't have a clue (according to some idiot who posts on a message board)

    So you are happy with the team for the last 2 out 3 years they have been in charge?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 01, 2023, 09:14:43 PM
    Delighted with their first year yes as they won an All Ireland, it could be another 10-15 years before one comes along again, no matter who's in charge. So we will be forever indebted to them for that.
    Obviously not happy with recent performances, but it's out of order to say they have no clue, given what they have won at senior and u21 and that Dooher has had a hand in every AI title the county has ever won as a leader of the team on and off the field. I think the comment 'not a clue' is out of order, in that respect.

    I would say they got the best out of a group of players that peaked from 2018 AI final to 2021 and that a rebuilding process will have to take place. Unfortunately for them there is not really a group of 24 year olds ready to go. Most players seem to peak now around 28 with the lifestyle needed. Unfortunately we have quite a few 30 year olds. The talent coming through is a bit younger - around 19-21 year olds - so we may have to suffer a few barren years. But coming on a message board and having a hissy fit at newer players and management  does not help.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on March 01, 2023, 09:57:42 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 01, 2023, 09:14:43 PM
    Delighted with their first year yes as they won an All Ireland, it could be another 10-15 years before one comes along again, no matter who's in charge. So we will be forever indebted to them for that.
    Obviously not happy with recent performances, but it's out of order to say they have no clue, given what they have won at senior and u21 and that Dooher has had a hand in every AI title the county has ever won as a leader of the team on and off the field. I think the comment 'not a clue' is out of order, in that respect.

    I would say they got the best out of a group of players that peaked from 2018 AI final to 2021 and that a rebuilding process will have to take place. Unfortunately for them there is not really a group of 24 year olds ready to go. Most players seem to peak now around 28 with the lifestyle needed. Unfortunately we have quite a few 30 year olds. The talent coming through is a bit younger - around 19-21 year olds - so we may have to suffer a few barren years. But coming on a message board and having a hissy fit at newer players and management  does not help.
    100 percent agree... I'm still basking from 2021. It was unexpected and immense. I'm worried about players performances etc but I also think they get too much flak and can understand management loyalty to guys who have been superb servants and are perhaps on the way down a little. What they have given us deserves time to work  things out .
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 04, 2023, 01:34:21 PM
    Listening to mcginley and whelans podcast earlier and they both agreed that derrys strategy could catch them out yet.  Still early in the year and they're clearly going hell for leather.  Am i clutching at straws or coukd Tyrone be holding back til the business end of the championship? 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 05:32:58 PM
    Think you are clutching lol. They have lost too many quality players without replacing them. Core of the team is approaching retirement and they don't seem to have a game plan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on March 04, 2023, 06:50:55 PM
    Tyrone's downfall can all be traced back to Ronan O'Neill's whingefest in the paper. Everyone felt they should be starting rather than doing something to deserve a jersey. He was the first cancer and it just spread from there.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 07:24:29 PM
    Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2023, 06:50:55 PM
    Tyrone's downfall can all be traced back to Ronan O'Neill's whingefest in the paper. Everyone felt they should be starting rather than doing something to deserve a jersey. He was the first cancer and it just spread from there.

    Of all the players to whinge he has nothing to complain about. He was given far more chances than say Lee brennan. There does seem to be a softness to the players in tyrone these days unlike in the 2000s. Lads now are too interested in their tight tops and hair rather than knuckling down and fighting for a place.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 04, 2023, 07:40:51 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 07:24:29 PM
    Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2023, 06:50:55 PM
    Tyrone's downfall can all be traced back to Ronan O'Neill's whingefest in the paper. Everyone felt they should be starting rather than doing something to deserve a jersey. He was the first cancer and it just spread from there.

    Of all the players to whinge he has nothing to complain about. He was given far more chances than say Lee brennan. There does seem to be a softness to the players in tyrone these days unlike in the 2000s. Lads now are too interested in their tight tops and hair rather than knuckling down and fighting for a place.

    Completely agree. We are a characterless side these days.
    Bland.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on March 04, 2023, 08:03:12 PM
    Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2023, 06:50:55 PM
    Tyrone's downfall can all be traced back to Ronan O'Neill's whingefest in the paper. Everyone felt they should be starting rather than doing something to deserve a jersey. He was the first cancer and it just spread from there.

    I'd agree with that.

    His conditioning for a county player for several years was poor and he got more chances than he should have.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 04, 2023, 08:34:00 PM
    I'm not sure how Ronan O'Neill supposedly whinging after leaving after winning the championship is the reason for Tyrone's post-sam struggles?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on March 04, 2023, 08:54:29 PM
    Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2023, 06:50:55 PM
    Tyrone's downfall can all be traced back to Ronan O'Neill's whingefest in the paper. Everyone felt they should be starting rather than doing something to deserve a jersey. He was the first cancer and it just spread from there.

    Other key indicators also include coffee shops for the soul and that Alchemist place that things Campsie is South Dublin. Can you imagine Ricey running a coffee shop. Be something like the one in Albert Square and he'd likely refuse to serve u coffee and spit in your tea.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 04, 2023, 11:26:06 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on March 04, 2023, 01:34:21 PM
    Listening to mcginley and whelans podcast earlier and they both agreed that derrys strategy could catch them out yet.  Still early in the year and they're clearly going hell for leather.  Am i clutching at straws or coukd Tyrone be holding back til the business end of the championship?

    It's hard to see many grounds for such optimism I'm afraid. There are times when you can understand a team building slowly through the league with the intention of then really going through the gears come the Championship. I think with the new season that kind of approach won't be so common, but more to the point for us, after how poor last season was we really needed a decent league campaign to show we were over the disappointing title defence and returning to form. Even if we were aiming to build slowly too, you'd want signs that things were going in the right direction and we were working on specific shapes and ideas. The most concerning thing has been the manner of the defeats. The hard work was done against the Rossies and Galway with Tyrone doing well against the wind then reeling them in early in the second half, only to show a lack of composure with great chances then cave in entirely. We also competed well against Mayo - as a contest it was far closer than the Mayo Kerry match - but again lack of composure and leadership at key points saw us well beaten. The talent is there but the team lacks an identity and backbone. Hard to see that coming together over the next couple of months. That said, Armagh and Donegal looked very poor tonight and the sight of the Kerry shirts tomorrow might be just what we need :D. But I doubt it.

    The management team will forever be legends for 2021 but for whatever reason they have struggled badly since. You'd need to see a drastic improvement the next few months for them to be getting another term
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 05, 2023, 02:30:34 PM
    The ghost of Ronan O'Neill has finally been banished!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on March 05, 2023, 02:31:19 PM
    Heart. Guts. Determination. Fight. And a bit of luck.

    Great to see a bit of bite within the team again
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 05, 2023, 02:36:48 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 01, 2023, 01:52:10 PM

    I think that's a fair summary. I can see us trying to go fairly defensive this week against Kerry. If we are shipping 3 goals to Roscommon and 4 goals to Mayo with our current approach (whatever that is) then its probably the sensible option.

    We've beaten Kerry is our last 3 games - going to stick my neck on the line and go for a Tyrone win by 2 points on Sunday. . . and then probably beat by Monaghan and Armagh!

    I was a point out. Great performance. I thought after the goal after a minute here we go again but fair play to them they put in a serious shift. McKernan and Donnelly superb. Hampsey probably had his best game since 2021 with the likes of Burns helping his out with Clifford.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 05, 2023, 02:46:01 PM
    The sight of the Kerry shirts did help ;D. Mattie brought the leadership with others like Burns and McKernan also stepping up. Real team effort though and well deserved. I feared the worst with Kerry's second goal with the concern it waa going to follow the pattern of Roscommon and Galway. Fair play, they kept their heads.

    Lot to do but it is something to build on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 05, 2023, 02:55:13 PM
    Yeah need to back it up v Monaghan and Armagh now. We are in need of a 6 - I think that could have been Munroes last chance today. Badly burned for the 2nd goal and was hooked straight after that. Not sure what options we have there. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on March 05, 2023, 03:05:34 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 05, 2023, 02:55:13 PM
    Yeah need to back it up v Monaghan and Armagh now. We are in need of a 6 - I think that could have been Munroes last chance today. Badly burned for the 2nd goal and was hooked straight after that. Not sure what options we have there.

    Hopefully we'll see Ronan McNamee back soon which will help. Great performance today. The defensive effort was immense and you see after every turn over that they were stung by the criticism and had a point to prove. Hopefully this is the catalyst to kick on. Special mention to Matty Donnelly. What a warrior of a man, showing proper leadership in the big moments.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 05, 2023, 03:21:35 PM
    Great stuff lads.  Something to build on
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 05, 2023, 03:22:35 PM
    I struggle to see what Munroe offers, doesn't seem good going forward or defending. Am I missing something, is he very good positionally?

    McNamee should hopefully solve a lot of problems and maybe O'Neill, Mattie, McGeary or Burns might help control things at 6.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on March 05, 2023, 04:58:13 PM
    Much more positive in terms of effort and result.

    Not seeing much difference between MH style and todays approach though....bar the odd big man at edge of square appearance
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on March 05, 2023, 07:09:43 PM
    Quote from: BennyHarp on March 05, 2023, 03:05:34 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 05, 2023, 02:55:13 PM
    Yeah need to back it up v Monaghan and Armagh now. We are in need of a 6 - I think that could have been Munroes last chance today. Badly burned for the 2nd goal and was hooked straight after that. Not sure what options we have there.

    Hopefully we'll see Ronan McNamee back soon which will help. Great performance today. The defensive effort was immense and you see after every turn over that they were stung by the criticism and had a point to prove. Hopefully this is the catalyst to kick on. Special mention to Matty Donnelly. What a warrior of a man, showing proper leadership in the big moments.
    There needs to be a statue of Mattie put up on some road beween Trillick and Dromore... Brilliant today..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 05, 2023, 07:11:31 PM
    Here, let's not complain about styles of play after a win like that.  If we had been going in top of the table, playing free flowing football, then we could talk about styles.  Let's get another few wins and worry about style then
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 05, 2023, 07:56:36 PM
    Joe Oguz was a real positive for me today. Thought he was excellent, and can only get better. A certain starter from here onward
    Good to see Ronan McNamee do the full warm up etc, can't be too far away from playing time
    Mcgleenan in amongst the subs too, gee he is one big man. Be very interesting to see how he develops
    The one downside about Div1 being so cutthroat, you don't get the opportunity to ease men in. Every minute is pressure

    No sign of either Peter Teague or Paudie McNulty amongst the squad again today. I'm guessing at this stage we won't see either the year

    Enjoyed seeing the two Canavans on the field at the same time today. Hopefully plenty more of that to come

    We need to follow this up now. 4 points on the board. 4 more to play for.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on March 05, 2023, 09:02:29 PM
    McNulty 2 weeks away yet, was in the dugout after the game. Teague still not fit
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 05, 2023, 09:29:02 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on March 05, 2023, 09:02:29 PM
    McNulty 2 weeks away yet, was in the dugout after the game. Teague still not fit

    Thanks

    I was literally right behind dug out and on the pitch with my kids after the game. Somehow missed that
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on March 05, 2023, 10:01:46 PM
    Yeah he was chatting to one of the Jones lads and Lorcan Quinn
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 10:16:42 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2023, 07:56:36 PM
    Joe Oguz was a real positive for me today. Thought he was excellent, and can only get better. A certain starter from here onward
    Good to see Ronan McNamee do the full warm up etc, can't be too far away from playing time
    Mcgleenan in amongst the subs too, gee he is one big man. Be very interesting to see how he develops
    The one downside about Div1 being so cutthroat, you don't get the opportunity to ease men in. Every minute is pressure

    No sign of either Peter Teague or Paudie McNulty amongst the squad again today. I'm guessing at this stage we won't see either the year

    Enjoyed seeing the two Canavans on the field at the same time today. Hopefully plenty more of that to come

    We need to follow this up now. 4 points on the board. 4 more to play for.

    I agree with your first point about the league.  It is very cut throat.

    All teams talk about, in every league, is staving off relegation. Teams are petrified of going down.  It shouldn't be like that.

    In an ideal gaa world, there'd be a 15 or 16 team league (2 leagues) with 3 up and 2 down.

    It'll never happen unless it was a league/championship type format.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on March 05, 2023, 10:18:39 PM
    Great  result  today, hopefully a springboard for the rest of the season. Disappointing  crowd at the game but a great atmosphere near the end . Been  a while  since I seen a Tyrone  crowd  as pumped. Great occasion. Need a lot more.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 05, 2023, 11:21:14 PM
    Yeah the 'Tyrone' chant was as strong as it ever was. Been a while since I heard that.

    Mattie D - I thought he was in the autumn years. Going by today it's an Indian Summer. Kerry couldn't curtail him.
    Great to see the passion. Darragh's fist-pumping at the end with the geansai ripped - typified the defiance today.

    One swallow and all that, but it's good to know the Tyrone fight isn't dormant.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on March 07, 2023, 08:04:52 AM
    What size of a squad are Tyrone carrying at the minute? There were 26 named on Sunday with McGleenan replacing McGeary which brings it up to 27. Assume the following players still involved:?

    P McNulty
    P Teague
    P McCartan
    R Donnelly
    C Cush
    D Jones

    Anyone I've missed? It did appear it earlier years that there was too many players involved making it difficult to manage. Seemed to be over 40 involved at times. 33/34 seems about right with players called in for training matches if needed.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on March 07, 2023, 11:29:53 AM
    McShane injured on Sunday or just not used?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 07, 2023, 11:32:54 AM
    Quote from: tyroneman on March 07, 2023, 11:29:53 AM
    McShane injured on Sunday or just not used?

    Just not used by the looks of it
    He was doing sprints and warming up on the sideline
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 07, 2023, 12:51:40 PM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 07, 2023, 08:04:52 AM
    What size of a squad are Tyrone carrying at the minute? There were 26 named on Sunday with McGleenan replacing McGeary which brings it up to 27. Assume the following players still involved:?

    P McNulty
    P Teague
    P McCartan
    R Donnelly
    C Cush
    D Jones

    Anyone I've missed? It did appear it earlier years that there was too many players involved making it difficult to manage. Seemed to be over 40 involved at times. 33/34 seems about right with players called in for training matches if needed.
    Michael O'Neill?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on March 07, 2023, 08:37:44 PM
    He's obviously a long term injury but presumably still involved.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 07, 2023, 09:48:27 PM
    Do we have a third goalkeeper on the panel? Or just running with Morgan and Gallen?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on March 07, 2023, 09:51:26 PM
    Lorcan Quinn 3rd Choice Keeper
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ireland2019 on March 13, 2023, 07:00:16 PM
    Hearing that a few managers have recently expressed their interest in the Tyrone ladies job in 2024? Pat McNabb (Trillick, Omagh CBS) being touted for the job. Would be a huge addition for the ladies if true
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on March 13, 2023, 07:26:17 PM
    Quote from: Ireland2019 on March 13, 2023, 07:00:16 PM
    Hearing that a few managers have recently expressed their interest in the Tyrone ladies job in 2024? Pat McNabb (Trillick, Omagh CBS) being touted for the job. Would be a huge addition for the ladies if true
    Good man  Pat...test the water before putting yourself out there. Think you've been harshly treated by the CBS, as everyone knows you're the original brains behind their success.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on March 14, 2023, 03:38:51 PM
    Ruairi Canavan is thrilled to have the opportunity to represent Tyrone at both under-20 and senior level this season, following a recent change to GAA rules.

    Canavan says it's important to him to be able to play with the group of friends he has progressed through the Tyrone academy with and represent the county at U-20.

    The Errigal Ciaran youngster, a precocious forward talent, has little to prove in this year's EirGrid under-20 grade after winning Footballer of the Year at that level last season.

    But he is adamant that the buzz of playing games is what drives him on.

    "I get the buzz from playing games with boys I have been training with and friends with for years," the younger son of Tyrone great Peter tells RTE Sport.

    "I love getting to the pitch with a few footballs to kick about with my brother, cousins and teammates. It is important for me to play Under-20.

    "I came up through the ranks with a good lot of coaches and players and it was class last year when we got a bit of a reward but we will push on again now hopefully."

    Tyrone meet Down at the end of the month in the Eirgrid U-20 Ulster championship. Soon after Canavan, and brother Darragh, will be in senior provincial action with the county.

    The lethal young attacker hit 1-04 from play and 1-07 in total as Paul Devlin's side beat Brian Flanagan's Kildare in the 2022 All-Ireland final.

    A week earlier he hit 0-08 in the semi-final against Kerry. That was in keeping with his general prowess in front of the posts as he accumulated 1-34 across five games in the Ulster and All-Ireland series.


    Ruairí Canavan (L) celebrates with team-mate Lórcan McGarrity after winning the 2022 EirGrid GAA Football All-Ireland Under 20 Championship
    Getting the top young players to play in this competition has not always been simple. Until recently the GAA applied a rule effectively preventing youngsters who had played senior championship from lining out with their under-20 side in the same season.

    But backed by fellow dual counties Cork and Galway, Wexford proposed a new seven-day window at the recent GAA Congress and saw it sail through with 82% of the vote , meaning that an U20 player can play for both his under-age and senior county teams - just not within a defined seven-day period, Friday morning to Thursday evening.

    And yet difficulties remain in assembling players of this age cohort.

    "It is hard to get everyone together at this level all over the country, that is clear to see," Canavan says.

    "Even this year, Tyrone has three schools in All-Ireland finals, including the Hogan Cup and we are still waiting on boys to come back from that.

    "There are also the Fresher and Sigerson competitions taking players but everyone is the same. It's not easy to blend everyone together and you just have work with what you have.

    "At least boys are playing at a good level and will come back in good shape."

    Canavan's under-20 manager Devlin is now seven seasons in the job as under-20 boss.

    "Paul is all about developing players, as are Mugsy (Owen Mulligan) and Dermy (Dermot Carlin) in his backroom. They just want to make us better.

    "The end goal is for lads to play with the seniors on big days at Croke Park but if we get success at under-20 level too, we will take that.

    "Those lads will take as much satisfaction if a few of us go to play senior football in Croke Park."

    Canavan believes that the gap between U-20 and senior is not as wide as people may think.

    "There are some differences, you might have that split second on the ball that you won't get at senior level and, physically, there might be elements, but the gap is not as wide as you may imagine."

    Speaking of senior level, he says his teammates will take a lot of confidence from their recent win over Kerry in the Allianz League.

    "Yeah, it's a big thing for us, I think so," he said.

    "We were getting a wild lot of stick there for a few weeks so it was nice to put in a performance.

    "We'd been training hard for weeks but it just wasn't showing up on the pitch so it was great to get that win. Hopefully we can drive on now."

    Canavan will be looking to do that at both levels. He wouldn't want it any other way.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 19, 2023, 07:01:30 AM
    Big game today. I noticed a number a pundits saying after Kerry that they knew Tyrone would come good. That's all fine and well but we produced a couple of decent performances in the league last year then had such a poor Championship. Really feel it is very important that Tyrone back up the much improved performance against Kerry with another solid showing against Monaghan and build some momentum. Need to bring that intensity again. A win would also be crucial in the context of the league and really set up the Armagh game nicely. All the best to the boys.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on March 19, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
    Seen Aidan Clarke amongst the players who didn't make the 26 today so good to see him back involved
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 19, 2023, 07:29:46 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on March 19, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
    Seen Aidan Clarke amongst the players who didn't make the 26 today so good to see him back involved

    Many others there? McShane injured or out of favour?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on March 19, 2023, 07:44:46 PM
    Slightly off topic but penny for the thoughts of STG on the job Mickey Harte has done with Louth? One game away from being a division 1 team, fair play to him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on March 19, 2023, 08:45:21 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 19, 2023, 07:29:46 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on March 19, 2023, 07:20:30 PM
    Seen Aidan Clarke amongst the players who didn't make the 26 today so good to see him back involved

    Many others there? McShane injured or out of favour?
    No obvious way back into the starting team bar injuries. Would have liked to have seen McGleenan get game time today as Tyrone were cruising after the red cards but alas we got another Richie Donnelly run out.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on March 19, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
    I seen a good few lads there, Niall Kelly, Peter Teague, Peter Óg McCartan, Lorcán Quinn, Conor Shields, the two Jones', Pádraig McNulty amongst others were there sitting behind the substitutes. David Mulgrew was there too wrapped up so assume he was injured today as was originally listed to start. I heard McShane was down with the flu.

    Yeah, fair play to Mickey, Louth going very well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on March 19, 2023, 11:28:51 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on March 19, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
    I seen a good few lads there, Niall Kelly, Peter Teague, Peter Óg McCartan, Lorcán Quinn, Conor Shields, the two Jones', Pádraig McNulty amongst others were there sitting behind the substitutes. David Mulgrew was there too wrapped up so assume he was injured today as was originally listed to start. I heard McShane was down with the flu.

    Yeah, fair play to Mickey, Louth going very well.

    Flu wasn't that bad. I seen a picture of at the six nations Saturday evening. Obviously out of favour and rightly so.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on March 19, 2023, 11:35:39 PM
    Bit like last season, this Tyrone campaign could have ended in a League final with more momentum early on. It's still only two League titles which is not great return for a team who've been in Division 1 for most of last 30 years. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on March 20, 2023, 11:17:41 AM
    is that better?

    Quote from: WT4E on March 19, 2023, 11:28:51 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on March 19, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
    I seen a good few lads there, Niall Kelly, Peter Teague, Peter Óg McCartan, Lorcán Quinn, Conor Shields, the two Jones', Pádraig McNulty amongst others were there sitting behind the substitutes. David Mulgrew was there too wrapped up so assume he was injured today as was originally listed to start. I heard McShane was down with the flu.

    Yeah, fair play to Mickey, Louth going very well.

    Flu wasn't that bad. I seen a picture of at the six nations Saturday evening. Obviously Could well be out of favour  and rightly so. in my humble opinion
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 20, 2023, 03:22:10 PM
     Logan said he was injured in after match interview and out for couple of weeks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 20, 2023, 03:58:13 PM
    Am I correct in thinking tyrone are more or less safe from relegation and it would take a bizarre set of results to relegate them?  If correct I would fire a few new faces in there again or give game time to those that haven't figured so far
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 20, 2023, 04:01:50 PM
    Seem to be safe - unless they get beat by about 16 points and Monaghan win v Mayo.
    They can also make the league final ,if Kerry beat Galway by a narrow margin  and Tyrone overtake them both on score difference. Both scenarios unlikely. Would require a 6 or 7 point win over Armagh
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 20, 2023, 04:16:44 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on March 20, 2023, 03:58:13 PM
    Am I correct in thinking tyrone are more or less safe from relegation and it would take a bizarre set of results to relegate them?  If correct I would fire a few new faces in there again or give game time to those that haven't figured so far


    McCarron, Quinn, Oguz, Ruairi, Niall Devlin all got game time again yesterday and acquitted themselves well. A quiet, under the radar rebuild is underway.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on March 20, 2023, 04:39:30 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 20, 2023, 04:16:44 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on March 20, 2023, 03:58:13 PM
    Am I correct in thinking tyrone are more or less safe from relegation and it would take a bizarre set of results to relegate them?  If correct I would fire a few new faces in there again or give game time to those that haven't figured so far


    McCarron, Quinn, Oguz, Ruairi, Niall Devlin all got game time again yesterday and acquitted themselves well. A quiet, under the radar rebuild is underway.
    I would like to have seen McCarron get longer. We still need a 6.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on March 20, 2023, 04:53:54 PM
    Thought McNamee might have got minutes yesterday. Is he an option at 6 if back fully fit? Leaving defence of Quinn Hampsey McKernan Harte McNamee Meyler and Burns playing sweeper?

    This is last outing before championship and chance to test ourselves against a defensive team which we've struggled to play against in last few years. I can't see wholesale changes but likes of Sludden/McNamee/McShane could be doing with time. Could be a chance to get a look at McGleenan at some point too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on March 20, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
    It's taken Daragh a couple of years but he's really established himself as a top intercounty forward. Probably our best player of the year so far.

    Definitely good potential with the rebuild with players named above. Overall in a much more positive place than 3 weeks ago.

    *edit intercounty not intercontinental
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on March 20, 2023, 06:34:21 PM
    Quote from: scout on January 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM
    Sooner we get rid of Logan & dooher the better.

    Well Scout ....what you reckon now ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on March 21, 2023, 09:21:32 AM
    It cannot be underestimated the difference Mattie Donnelly makes to that team. Simply immense this last few games. We need to either find another one for the next 10 years or regenerate him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 21, 2023, 09:49:39 AM
    It's a bit alarming that when you take him out of the team the wheels tend to fall off a bit.  Hopefully he'll stay injury free but some of the more senior players need to step yo when he's nit there
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on March 21, 2023, 10:59:45 AM
    Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2023, 09:21:32 AM
    It cannot be underestimated the difference Mattie Donnelly makes to that team. Simply immense this last few games. We need to either find another one for the next 10 years or regenerate him.

    +1

    He brings a level of leadership and calmness than is sadly missing when he is not on the pitch.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 21, 2023, 11:14:06 AM
    Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2023, 09:21:32 AM
    It cannot be underestimated the difference Mattie Donnelly makes to that team. Simply immense this last few games. We need to either find another one for the next 10 years or regenerate him.


    The professionalism of M Donnelly needs to be matched with the under 20s coming up through, when first on the panel was a bit lightweight but in a short space of time was well fit for it. Him coming back in the side with a re-jig in the half back line along with McCurry and Canavan inside has worked well. Hope Oguz keeps on it as his speed and height in half forward is needed and can be real asset
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 21, 2023, 11:31:25 AM
    Early days with oguz, seemed to snatch at a few handy enough opportunities on Sunday.  I'm hopeful that he'll develop though
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 21, 2023, 11:55:54 AM
    I think Oguz has been impressive enough so far for someone new at this level. I'd say the team the last 2 games will be 14 of the team to start the championship. Only spot up for grabs is the number 6 jersey (wherever they actually end up playing). Probably McNamee or O'Neill if they can get up to speed in the next few weeks.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 21, 2023, 01:29:05 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on March 21, 2023, 11:55:54 AM
    I think Oguz has been impressive enough so far for someone new at this level. I'd say the team the last 2 games will be 14 of the team to start the championship. Only spot up for grabs is the number 6 jersey (wherever they actually end up playing). Probably McNamee or O'Neill if they can get up to speed in the next few weeks.

    Think we should see one of the above in the team at the weekend
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 21, 2023, 10:41:47 PM
    Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2023, 09:21:32 AM
    It cannot be underestimated the difference Mattie Donnelly makes to that team. Simply immense this last few games. We need to either find another one for the next 10 years or regenerate him.

    I think you mean overestimated there, ie, your problem right now, is that too many are underestimating Mattie's importance to this team.  ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on March 24, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
    Listened to Eamonn McGee on  OTB podcast about the ongoing shenanigans within Dongel County Board - looks like a right mess and one that Tyrone were lucky to have avoided over the last number of years. More luck than design, in my humble opinion.
    McGee talks about the pressure of commercialisation and how county boards of today need to be more commercially literate and the important of having the right people in the right seats.
    maybe it could have been tyrone in this mess instead of Donegal? Outside of Dublin Im not sure many counties have the right model in place
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on March 24, 2023, 06:40:04 PM
    Quote from: Stan on March 24, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
    Listened to Eamonn McGee on  OTB podcast about the ongoing shenanigans within Dongel County Board - looks like a right mess and one that Tyrone were lucky to have avoided over the last number of years. More luck than design, in my humble opinion.
    McGee talks about the pressure of commercialisation and how county boards of today need to be more commercially literate and the important of having the right people in the right seats.
    maybe it could have been tyrone in this mess instead of Donegal? Outside of Dublin Im not sure many counties have the right model in place

    Yeah, it'd a business now.  Without doubt.

    Look at the money involved - a huuge business and therefore, you need business heads involved in the background.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on March 24, 2023, 09:35:58 PM
    Quote from: Stan on March 24, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
    Listened to Eamonn McGee on  OTB podcast about the ongoing shenanigans within Dongel County Board - looks like a right mess and one that Tyrone were lucky to have avoided over the last number of years. More luck than design, in my humble opinion.
    McGee talks about the pressure of commercialisation and how county boards of today need to be more commercially literate and the important of having the right people in the right seats.
    maybe it could have been tyrone in this mess instead of Donegal? Outside of Dublin Im not sure many counties have the right model in place
    Can u explain what u mean in more detail please Stan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 24, 2023, 11:36:12 PM
    Yeah what a mess Tyrone have been in the last few years alright
    All Ireland senior Final
    All Ireland u20 final
    All Ireland minor final

    Just in the last 3 years

    Most counties would describe that as a mess alright
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on March 26, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
    If you have listened to the OTB podcast - and I'm not being a smartarze here - its pretty clear what the problem is with donegal.
    Most county boards - esp Tyrone - lack ANY commercial acumen. A board made up of life-time committee men/woermn, retired teachers and public servants.
    It was only a few years ago that players had to expose the lack of expenditure on the basics...peter donnelly left because he wasn't fully rewarded for his craft.
    Check out with any of the players about how often they get their expenses paid on time - would be interested to hear the answers to that one.
    Hard to know who as involved but it was the County board that shafted McAleer and rushe
    Club Tyrone usually came good with the money, the fundraising initiatives etc...it would seem that the antics of the county board have worn them out at this stage.

    your man Sam's comment below about winning all irelands isn't the point - its about commercialism and the county board are clueless.
    You need the right man in the right job - not a 'real good committee man' or a f**king 'stalwart'

    That's what Eamon Magee says on the podcast pretty much and that's what I am referring to - no ad hominem attacks, Im not talking about individuals Im talking about the system, structure and the processes

    Quote from: redzone on March 24, 2023, 09:35:58 PM
    Quote from: Stan on March 24, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
    Listened to Eamonn McGee on  OTB podcast about the ongoing shenanigans within Dongel County Board - looks like a right mess and one that Tyrone were lucky to have avoided over the last number of years. More luck than design, in my humble opinion.
    McGee talks about the pressure of commercialisation and how county boards of today need to be more commercially literate and the important of having the right people in the right seats.
    maybe it could have been tyrone in this mess instead of Donegal? Outside of Dublin Im not sure many counties have the right model in place
    Can u explain what u mean in more detail please Stan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on March 26, 2023, 02:30:14 PM
    alright, alright
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 24, 2023, 11:36:12 PM
    Yeah what a mess Tyrone have been in the last few years alright
    All Ireland senior Final
    All Ireland u20 final
    All Ireland minor final

    Just in the last 3 years

    Most counties would describe that as a mess alright
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on March 26, 2023, 05:15:37 PM
    We find ourselves in a very similar position to end of the league last year.some great moments but also some moments of awfulness & id be worried about a lot of players decision-making on the ball especially when games in the melting pot.
    Derry seem to have the Indian sign over us currently a bit like Donegal had over us during the McGuiness era.
    Very poor league campaigns for McGeary, Sludden & McShane.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on March 26, 2023, 05:55:32 PM
    It's harsh but Tyrone look a much better side without McShane. He's been given enough chances and is well down the pecking order. He will get a chance and I hope he proves me wrong again.

    McGeary has been poor since winning player of the year. Not sure why as it's not obvious what he's doing wrong. Just has had so little impact on play.

    Sludden gets a run out now and again. A great servant and nice to have in the squad, obviously trusted by management, but is not a game changer.

    We have more positives than negatives from this league campaign. The players responded when getting written off and a few young lads getting experience.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 26, 2023, 06:02:45 PM
    People seem to forget the difference a dry field will make.

    Hard to tell where Tyrone are at. But there should be the talent and experience there to not be too far away if they get going.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 26, 2023, 11:28:14 PM
    McGeary looks a bit lost and can see Mulgrew starting front as mcgeary work rate and confidence is lacking.  McShane only chance of a start is if something happens mccurry tho never rule mcshane out in Croke park lol.

    Mcglennon maybe a useful man of the bench.
    Mattie Donnelly great along with the midfielders. Mccurry Harte and gallon fairly impressive as well

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 26, 2023, 11:32:17 PM
    McNamee took a while to get up to speed but did well when he did
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on March 26, 2023, 11:36:45 PM
    Why did  Morgan not start ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on March 27, 2023, 07:27:55 AM
    Kilpatrick had a great game - and mccurry. Great team performance...McGleenan some size of a man - he'll be making things awkward for a few opponents this year all being well. Hopefully they can maintain the run of form 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 27, 2023, 08:07:24 AM
    McKernan and Kilpatrick probably been the pick of our players from the league imo. Even when we were losing games I thought those 2 still stood up. It looks like a settled line up at this stage now that McNamee is back in and barring maybe McGearys spot being up for grabs, I can't see any more changes to the line up. McGleenan and R Canavan are probably ahead of McShane now in the full forward line pecking order.

    I think we'll beat Monaghan and then who knows about Derry in the semi. I suppose in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter too much but it would still be nice to get one over them in Ulster after last year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 27, 2023, 09:04:17 AM
    Good league for Tyrone - 8 points
    Good few new players introduced and given game time
    Off my head - Mulgrew, McCarron, Munroe, R Canavan, C Quinn, Oguz, McGleenan, R Jones, B Gallen all got game time as (relatively) new players.
    Some of the other established players are hitting a bit of form again
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 27, 2023, 10:07:59 AM
    Niall Devlin also started or came on in every game bar yesterday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on March 27, 2023, 11:47:53 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 27, 2023, 09:04:17 AM
    Good league for Tyrone - 8 points
    Good few new players introduced and given game time
    Off my head - Mulgrew, McCarron, Munroe, R Canavan, C Quinn, Oguz, McGleenan, R Jones, B Gallen all got game time as (relatively) new players.
    Some of the other established players are hitting a bit of form again
    The lads who got game time yesterday will have had their eyes opened as it was closer to championship pace than the earlier rounds. They will have quickly learned that another gear is needed.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on March 27, 2023, 02:12:16 PM
    Don't know what it is as he is a fantastic player and scores a lot of super points but Darragh Canavan seems to miss an awful lot of 1 v 1's with keepers.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 27, 2023, 02:15:19 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 27, 2023, 02:12:16 PM
    Don't know what it is as he is a fantastic player and scores a lot of super points but Darragh Canavan seems to miss an awful lot of 1 v 1's with keepers.

    I would agree. The amount if forwards who blast the ball at the keeper is unreal. Low and hard is the way to go. Can't remember which famous person said it but they said forwards need to "pass" the ball into the net instead of aimlessly blasting it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: imtommygunn on March 27, 2023, 02:19:15 PM
    You'll probably never see a better example of that than Peter Canavan against Kerry from Mulligan's pass.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 27, 2023, 02:23:53 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 27, 2023, 02:12:16 PM
    Don't know what it is as he is a fantastic player and scores a lot of super points but Darragh Canavan seems to miss an awful lot of 1 v 1's with keepers.

    Funny I thought the exact same thing yesterday as well. That's a right few I can remember him missing now even going back to the 2021 semi final v Kerry when he was lucky McShane was following in to punch it to the net. Its surprising given how composed he normally is.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tbrick18 on March 27, 2023, 02:58:57 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2023, 02:15:19 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 27, 2023, 02:12:16 PM
    Don't know what it is as he is a fantastic player and scores a lot of super points but Darragh Canavan seems to miss an awful lot of 1 v 1's with keepers.

    I would agree. The amount if forwards who blast the ball at the keeper is unreal. Low and hard is the way to go. Can't remember which famous person said it but they said forwards need to "pass" the ball into the net instead of aimlessly blasting it.

    That would be a quote from Mr Joe Brolly   :D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Would ye whist on March 27, 2023, 02:59:55 PM
    I thought it was Stevie McDonnell

    Quote from: tbrick18 on March 27, 2023, 02:58:57 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2023, 02:15:19 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 27, 2023, 02:12:16 PM
    Don't know what it is as he is a fantastic player and scores a lot of super points but Darragh Canavan seems to miss an awful lot of 1 v 1's with keepers.

    I would agree. The amount if forwards who blast the ball at the keeper is unreal. Low and hard is the way to go. Can't remember which famous person said it but they said forwards need to "pass" the ball into the net instead of aimlessly blasting it.

    That would be a quote from Mr Joe Brolly   :D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on March 27, 2023, 08:47:44 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 27, 2023, 02:12:16 PM
    Don't know what it is as he is a fantastic player and scores a lot of super points but Darragh Canavan seems to miss an awful lot of 1 v 1's with keepers.

    Yes. His da probably sick of dragging him by the lug and making him watch his 05 final goal
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on March 27, 2023, 10:07:52 PM
    29 different players played in the league, 21 of them scored
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on March 28, 2023, 07:15:59 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on March 27, 2023, 10:07:52 PM
    29 different players played in the league, 21 of them scored

    McCurry also top scorer in Division 1.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 29, 2023, 10:05:38 AM
    Tyrone are a crazy price for the game tonight - very short odds at 1/10.

    Down will not be easy to handle, especially as they have 3 regular senior starters plus the county is on the up at the minute. We have no regular senior starter players involved whereas they have Murdock in midfield plus Magill and McCarthy in defence who played a lot of NFL for Down.

    Hopefully, Tyrone have too much firepower up front but it will be a tough tight battle.

    I still expect Tyrone to win a difficult game but won't be near as easy as the bookies make it out to be. Similar to last years game result will do fine
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on March 29, 2023, 10:19:54 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 29, 2023, 10:05:38 AM
    Tyrone are a crazy price for the game tonight - very short odds at 1/10.

    Down will not be easy to handle, especially as they have 3 regular senior starters plus the county is on the up at the minute. We have no regular senior starter players involved whereas they have Murdock in midfield plus Magill and McCarthy in defence who played a lot of NFL for Down.

    Hopefully, Tyrone have too much firepower up front but it will be a tough tight battle.

    I still expect Tyrone to win a difficult game but won't be near as easy as the bookies make it out to be. Similar to last years game result will do fine

    Tyrone should definitely be favourites with a good lot of players involved from last year and few added in from minor all ireland final team of 21. But 1/10 is very short. U20/u21 grade can be funny with teams growing into the competition as it goes on. Tyrone have a lot of good players in the forward line but it would be fairly light. McGleenan a miss in terms of physical presence from last year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 29, 2023, 10:47:08 AM
    Where has big McGarrity gone from last year? Was a great target man.
    Surprised Owens from the CMS team not in 26 as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 29, 2023, 12:42:32 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 29, 2023, 10:47:08 AM
    Where has big McGarrity gone from last year? Was a great target man.
    Surprised Owens from the CMS team not in 26 as well.

    Two surprising omissions for sure, possibly injuries

    Think Cormac Devlin is injured
    Callan Kelly I thought would be in the 24
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 29, 2023, 12:56:03 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 29, 2023, 12:42:32 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 29, 2023, 10:47:08 AM
    Where has big McGarrity gone from last year? Was a great target man.
    Surprised Owens from the CMS team not in 26 as well.

    Two surprising omissions for sure, possibly injuries

    Think Cormac Devlin is injured
    Callan Kelly I thought would be in the 24

    Donaghy and Muldoon both starters last year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 29, 2023, 01:20:49 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 29, 2023, 12:56:03 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 29, 2023, 12:42:32 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 29, 2023, 10:47:08 AM
    Where has big McGarrity gone from last year? Was a great target man.
    Surprised Owens from the CMS team not in 26 as well.

    Two surprising omissions for sure, possibly injuries

    Think Cormac Devlin is injured
    Callan Kelly I thought would be in the 24

    Donaghy and Muldoon both starters last year?

    Aye James Donaghy was a starter last year, Muldoon often appeared of the bench

    Thought Noah Grimes would be involved too

    One thing about this management set up, if your not 100% committed, your not involved. In the past they have overlooked talented players like Danny Fullerton and Michael Conroy
    I'm not suggesting any of the absentees are not committed, I'm just pointing out they have form for selecting players whom are 100% all in, at the training sessions which we don't see.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 29, 2023, 08:48:37 PM
    Hope no one put the life savings on Tyrone at those odds.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on March 29, 2023, 09:01:18 PM
    One positive is that Ruairi Canavan can concentrate on the Seniors now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on March 29, 2023, 09:03:21 PM
    Big surprise that. Wouldn't have an impact on the club leagues starting earlier no?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on March 29, 2023, 09:40:37 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 29, 2023, 09:01:18 PM
    One positive is that Ruairi Canavan can concentrate on the Seniors now.
    Good job that you put the whole thing into context
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on March 29, 2023, 09:41:09 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 29, 2023, 10:47:08 AM
    Where has big McGarrity gone from last year? Was a great target man.
    Surprised Owens from the CMS team not in 26 as well.
    McGarrity out with a broken wrist.
    Conor Owens not part of the squad, same as Noah Grimes. Never called up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 29, 2023, 09:56:31 PM
    Surely be looking at someone different taking the team? Devlin has been there a long time and results have been at best mixed with some exceptional talent at his disposal.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on March 29, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on March 29, 2023, 09:40:37 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 29, 2023, 09:01:18 PM
    One positive is that Ruairi Canavan can concentrate on the Seniors now.
    Good job that you put the whole thing into context

    Not sure what you mean? but I don't think it's the worst result in the world for Tyrone Seniors this year that the U-20's have been knocked out early.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ck on March 29, 2023, 11:06:08 PM
    That's a very poor result tonight. Best team in Ulster on paper. Tyrone were a bunch of individuals Vs Down who were a well drilled team who fought for each other.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: In hiding on March 29, 2023, 11:12:41 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 29, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on March 29, 2023, 09:40:37 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 29, 2023, 09:01:18 PM
    One positive is that Ruairi Canavan can concentrate on the Seniors now.
    Good job that you put the whole thing into context

    Not sure what you mean? but I don't think it's the worst result in the world for Tyrone Seniors this year that the U-20's have been knocked out early.
    I think it would have been a good result tonight if the u20s had won.
    I dont think that Ruairi Canavan at 19 will be the difference for Tyrone seniors this year.
    He is potentially a star but he has a fair bit of learning ahead of him before he fulfils that potential
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on March 30, 2023, 09:32:28 AM
    That really is a poor result for the u20s considering the players they had at their disposal and experience from last year..Down played most of the league without their 4 seniors..  Tyrone looked a team that hadn't played together before,  last night
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on March 30, 2023, 09:34:21 AM
    Quote from: In hiding on March 29, 2023, 11:12:41 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 29, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
    Quote from: In hiding on March 29, 2023, 09:40:37 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 29, 2023, 09:01:18 PM
    One positive is that Ruairi Canavan can concentrate on the Seniors now.
    Good job that you put the whole thing into context

    Not sure what you mean? but I don't think it's the worst result in the world for Tyrone Seniors this year that the U-20's have been knocked out early.
    I think it would have been a good result tonight if the u20s had won.
    I dont think that Ruairi Canavan at 19 will be the difference for Tyrone seniors this year.
    He is potentially a star but he has a fair bit of learning ahead of him before he fulfils that potential
    Agreed, it is a bit short sighted looking for 1 sub to be freed up for this year vs exposing a larger number of potential future Seniors to the higher levels of competitive football and maybe developing or unearthing a few more players.

    Would Meyler, Burns, etc have made it through if their u20 team had crashed out early, releasing Lee Brennan to the Seniors?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: superstar_ on March 30, 2023, 12:23:52 PM
    Few questions over players and management after that. Very disappointing result and performance for a team that should have had a real chance on defending their All Ireland title based on the calibre of player involved.
    Ruairi McHugh 12 months ago was being touted as the Tyrone Senior midfielder for the next decade after the U20 win last year and has followed it up with a poor first season with Coalisland, an underwhelming repeat MacRory cup year with Holy Trinity and a very poor performance last night. He has another year at this level, so could very well turn things around but worrying signs over the last year.
    Seanie O'Donnell has went backwards as a footballer as well in this period, average showings for Trillick and also very poor last night, is he of the required standard to do what Cormac Quinn and Niall Devlin are currently doing at Senior Level?
    Ruairi Canavan is a massive talent, should have a big role to play with the seniors throughout the summer but he needs to get better on his decision making. Everytime he got possession last night he tried to go on his own and shoot, alot of the time from ridiculous places. This is something he will need to tidy up on.
    Conor Cush looked sharp in the first half and looked like the most genuine threat in the forward line but faded out of the game which is something that has happened to him a few times. Looked dangerous, got a good score then faded out of the game, he needs to be a constant influence throughout games.
    Probably the right time for Paul Devlin to step away - 3 Ulster titles and 1 All Ireland Title in his time is a fine achievement but also experienced a few poor first round exits with teams that had a lot of talent at his disposal and questionable selections in two Semi Finals. This years team again littered with a lot of big names and talent but defensively very easily cut open and never threatened enough going forward. Steven Donaghy was superb last year at blocking the central avenue but Taggart struggled last night with being dragged out of position very easily, again McGleenan at midfield was a massive influence in the middle last year that they couldn't replicate and led to Down's midfielders breaking through numerous times and had no defensive plan in place to deal with this.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on March 30, 2023, 11:05:25 PM
    Hearing Morgan played for his club in a friendly the other night !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 10, 2023, 08:24:26 AM
    All very quiet ahead of the start of the championship. Any injury news? You'd imagine the team will be very similar to the last few league games. There's already been a few shocks this weekend and Monaghan will be coming in bit more confident after surviving.

    On another note the county board really need to become more active at trying to get support out behind the county team. Somehow bringing more linkage with clubs and brining in bit of entertainment in Omagh. We've traditionally been one of biggest gaa counties with huge support and recently it's been pretty embarrassing especially given we are a top 5/6 team in Ireland.

    It hasn't been helped with loads of club matches clashing with home league games. I know they aren't linked but it's ridiculous a full round of ladies games at 7 on Sunday clashing directly with a home ulster championship game. Could they not be played on Saturday or even 11 on Sunday? I know I'll be criticised by the club is king brigade but there is no reason for the clash and not having a strong club and county scene.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on April 10, 2023, 10:43:37 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 10, 2023, 08:24:26 AM
    All very quiet ahead of the start of the championship. Any injury news? You'd imagine the team will be very similar to the last few league games. There's already been a few shocks this weekend and Monaghan will be coming in bit more confident after surviving.

    On another note the county board really need to become more active at trying to get support out behind the county team. Somehow bringing more linkage with clubs and brining in bit of entertainment in Omagh. We've traditionally been one of biggest gaa counties with huge support and recently it's been pretty embarrassing especially given we are a top 5/6 team in Ireland.

    It hasn't been helped with loads of club matches clashing with home league games. I know they aren't linked but it's ridiculous a full round of ladies games at 7 on Sunday clashing directly with a home ulster championship game. Could they not be played on Saturday or even 11 on Sunday? I know I'll be criticised by the club is king brigade but there is no reason for the clash and not having a strong club and county scene.

    Support has never been the same since 2005.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 10, 2023, 10:59:49 AM
    No it hasn't but there's no excuse for a big county like Tyrone not to bring 8-10,000 to big home league matches and ulster games v division 1 teams. Even Kerry who Tyrone used to criticise as being glory supporters only attending finals can do it for league matches.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 10, 2023, 11:46:07 AM
    On the one hand Sunday means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things but then on the other hand it's an Ulster championship match at home to Monaghan and you don't want to be losing those kind of matches.

    It'll be interesting this year how it'll work out with the likes of Mayo going into the last 16 with no games or potentially Tyrone playing very tough games against Monaghan, Donegal and Armagh before it gets going.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 10, 2023, 12:00:57 PM
    You'd imagine a competitive game every two weeks would fit nicely into the schedule. 6/7 weeks is a long layoff.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on April 11, 2023, 10:44:05 PM
    It's a long lay-off, but it's likely that you only really need to win 1 of your 3 games in the group to proceed.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on April 12, 2023, 11:39:37 AM
    Niall Gartland confirms two new additions to the senior panel.
    Trillicks Seanie O'Donnell and Carrickmores James Donaghy
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on April 16, 2023, 05:52:39 PM
    Well that 2nd half was shocking. The defending for that goal was awful, Morgan beat easily at near post but not a hand laid on them at all the whole way up field.


    What does that mean now for Tyrone in new format?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on April 16, 2023, 05:58:06 PM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on April 16, 2023, 05:52:39 PM
    Well that 2nd half was shocking. The defending for that goal was awful, Morgan beat easily at near post but not a hand laid on them at all the whole way up field.


    What does that mean now for Tyrone in new format?

    Not sure how the new format works to be honest. Morgan should learn to close his legs, defending in 2nd half was poor. Thought mcshane should have came on around 50th minute Mark as another option. Not sure why he didn't
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 16, 2023, 06:03:47 PM
    I didn't think Matty Donnelly was the man to bring off to be honest. He was going well and would have provided a bit of leadership in those closing stages. As said above our defence was very poor in that 2nd half.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on April 16, 2023, 07:22:06 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on April 16, 2023, 06:03:47 PM
    I didn't think Matty Donnelly was the man to bring off to be honest. He was going well and would have provided a bit of leadership in those closing stages. As said above our defence was very poor in that 2nd half.

    Agreed. Petey should have been taken off before mattie
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on April 16, 2023, 07:58:18 PM
    I'd like to hear the thoughts of southtyronegael.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on April 16, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
    The only guarantee I can see now is that Tyrone can't be in a group with mayo or galway/roscommon as both are 3rd seeds.  Ideal scenario now would be whoever is the runner up in connacht group plus a division 2 team as 4th seeds.  Worst scenario would be dubs and maybe the likes of armagh as 4th seeds
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on April 16, 2023, 08:55:22 PM
    Tyrone  came out in the second  half as if the game was over. Very slack. Mc Geary looks done mickey  o Neill is not a chf. Oguz and mc gleenan should  have replaced  those 2 much earlier. Mattie should  have been  kept on. Entertaining  game though and we had it won only for the late goal. Nothing has changed  as far as our goal for the year so we must knuckle  down and get ready for the last  16.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on April 16, 2023, 09:12:45 PM
    They expected something to happen rather than making it happen.  McGearys confidence looks shot.  Remember the guy who was drilling over shots at croke Park.  He had a few opportunities today but turned them down.  It would be unfair to make him a scapegoat for today though.  It seemed like a collective failure not being able to tag on an odd score here and there at the start of the second half.  With a 5 point lead that's all that was needed.  Only started to play when monaghan got close and then really had to up things when the goal went in. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on April 16, 2023, 09:13:02 PM
    The named half forward line of Frank Burns, Michael O'Neill and Kieran McGeary were awful, they really struggled. Burns didn't even offer his usual assurance and steady influence in the sweeper role. Oguz has to come in ahead of O'Neill or McGeary. Peter Harte also anonymous again when the game was in the melting pot. The Mattie and McKernan substitutions didn't make any sense.
    In saying that Canavan was superb, Kennedy excellent, McCurry and Kilpatrick good - referee very sore on Tyrone especially in the first half to keep Monaghan in it.
    Looking down the line Tyrone need to get more scores into the team if they are to make any impact on this years championship - in my opinion that has to involve 2/3 of Ruairi Canavan, Sludden and Oguz in the starting team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on April 16, 2023, 09:16:18 PM
    2 minds on oguz.  Kicked the ball away badly today after Tyrone had worked so hard to get it back.  Brain farts like that are real momentum shifts.  Agreed about kennedy though, thought he had a good game again today.  I'm not sure we can put another wee man in the forward line without a big physical presence in there like mcshane but his form must be poor
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on April 16, 2023, 09:27:53 PM
    I'd have mc gleenan  in ahead of mc Shane.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on April 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
    What happened with the McCurry shot at the start of the second half that was given wide? They showed the replay a while after and maybe looked like a point but BBC commentators didn't mention it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on April 16, 2023, 10:11:09 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on April 16, 2023, 09:13:02 PM
    The named half forward line of Frank Burns, Michael O'Neill and Kieran McGeary were awful, they really struggled. Burns didn't even offer his usual assurance and steady influence in the sweeper role. Oguz has to come in ahead of O'Neill or McGeary. Peter Harte also anonymous again when the game was in the melting pot. The Mattie and McKernan substitutions didn't make any sense.
    In saying that Canavan was superb, Kennedy excellent, McCurry and Kilpatrick good - referee very sore on Tyrone especially in the first half to keep Monaghan in it.
    Looking down the line Tyrone need to get more scores into the team if they are to make any impact on this years championship - in my opinion that has to involve 2/3 of Ruairi Canavan, Sludden and Oguz in the starting team.
    Scored 1-17 today. Kind of get what you are saying but sludden and oquz aren't scoring forwards. Surely it's the defense is the problem.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 16, 2023, 10:12:18 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on April 16, 2023, 09:27:53 PM
    I'd have mc gleenan  in ahead of mc Shane.

    What you think about the performance of your own county ? They gave Derry a fair game imo
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on April 17, 2023, 12:59:33 AM
    if you score more than 1-15 in most games you should win, particularly at home, the forwards did their job, half back and full backs not at it today. I would have been v scathing of the effort over the league, but i have abit more hope after that today - as i think it was nothing other than v poor game management and i think a small eye on derry. that said M O'N had the summer of his life in '21, he his lost at this level and mcgeary burns and harte need a massive toe in the hole as what they are churning out atm is shite - oguz after his league had to start and not leaving donnelly inside exposed him, still expect AI semi or AI final appearance through the back door
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on April 17, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
    Morgan getting beat for that last goal was scandalous. Jumped up, feet out straight, landed on his arse. Terrible goalkeeping.

    Morgan, McGeary, Burns and O'Neill to a lesser extent had poor games.
    Kennedy, Kilpatrick, McCurry and Canavan were very good.


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on April 17, 2023, 09:26:42 AM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on April 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
    What happened with the McCurry shot at the start of the second half that was given wide? They showed the replay a while after and maybe looked like a point but BBC commentators didn't mention it.

    Looked over from where I was but the brother was behind the goals and he said it and another Monaghan point that was given weren't.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on April 18, 2023, 06:27:29 AM
    Quote from: trailer on April 17, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
    Morgan getting beat for that last goal was scandalous. Jumped up, feet out straight, landed on his arse. Terrible goalkeeping.

    Morgan, McGeary, Burns and O'Neill to a lesser extent had poor games.
    Kennedy, Kilpatrick, McCurry and Canavan were very good.

    Not sure he should be contesting kickouts either
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on April 18, 2023, 10:37:27 AM
    Lets hope over the next few weeks in Garvaghy a few players push on and try stake a claim in the starting 15 (or is that the best we have that we seen on Sunday?) Management seem to be persisting with players they trust but a few of them haven't played well since 2021 AI final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on April 18, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
    https://twitter.com/TyroneGAABlog/status/1647694275956682752?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Based on the tweet above we will be playing in all likelihood one of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway first up so I can't see there being too many changes to be honest. You'd think one or two from Burns/O'Neill/McGeary will drop out. Throw McGleenan maybe.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 18, 2023, 11:09:54 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on April 18, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
    https://twitter.com/TyroneGAABlog/status/1647694275956682752?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Based on the tweet above we will be playing in all likelihood one of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway first up so I can't see there being too many changes to be honest. You'd think one or two from Burns/O'Neill/McGeary will drop out. Throw McGleenan maybe.

    McGeary must be showing a bit in training as his confidence looks totally shot. Burns I thought has been playing okay but he used to be good for a score but that also looks like a confidence thing as well. M ONeill do a man marking job maybe but need to have going the other way
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on April 18, 2023, 12:30:32 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on April 18, 2023, 06:27:29 AM
    Quote from: trailer on April 17, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
    Morgan getting beat for that last goal was scandalous. Jumped up, feet out straight, landed on his arse. Terrible goalkeeping.

    Morgan, McGeary, Burns and O'Neill to a lesser extent had poor games.
    Kennedy, Kilpatrick, McCurry and Canavan were very good.

    Not sure he should be contesting kickouts either

    Not when he had a chance to catch but broke them and we lost possession. His confidence far exceeds his ability.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on April 18, 2023, 10:05:27 PM
    Our full forward  line on Sunday kicked 1-13. Our half forward  line, zero. This will  have to be sorted before  the next game .
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 18, 2023, 10:08:30 PM
    A player ala tiernan McCann with pace would be useful coming from deep. Surely someone about?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on April 18, 2023, 10:16:10 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 18, 2023, 10:08:30 PM
    A player ala tiernan McCann with pace would be useful coming from deep. Surely someone about?
    Our players who were doing this seem to be past their best at this stage.
    I think Cormac Quinn got a couple of nice scores in the league. McKernan was also good at breaking through the lines and winning a free or shooting (with mixed results). Both "corner backs" , by the number on their shirt anyway.
    I haven't seen enough of Niall Devlin... is he much of an attacking threat?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on April 18, 2023, 10:19:47 PM
    We're going to draw Louth in the round Robin.... aren't we?

    We all know what happens then. STG be hiding.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on April 18, 2023, 11:06:03 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on April 18, 2023, 10:19:47 PM
    We're going to draw Louth in the round Robin.... aren't we?

    We all know what happens then. STG be hiding.
    well  if we are afraid  of louth then we should  just pack it in now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on April 19, 2023, 10:00:44 AM
    Did MH ever lose three championship games in a row for Tyrone?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on April 19, 2023, 01:34:39 PM
    It was a much easier backdoor system back then - often drawing a team from Div 3 in the opening round of qualifiers to get the show back on the road
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on April 19, 2023, 03:16:00 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on April 19, 2023, 01:34:39 PM
    It was a much easier backdoor system back then - often drawing a team from Div 3 in the opening round of qualifiers to get the show back on the road

    Yeah, we'd draw some cannon fodder like Louth or Leitrim and get in the grove.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on April 19, 2023, 07:03:26 PM
    There was usually a few easy rounds in the qualifiers - so it was difficult to lose three games in a row any years, as usually there was a backdoor draw against much weaker opposition.
    That situation has pretty much changed now - whereby it's mostly Div 1 and high ranking Div 2 teams that we play - so it's a much more difficult scenario.
    I do remember Harry's teams going out of Ulster and then getting beat in qualifiers by Armagh - similar to last year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on April 19, 2023, 07:04:27 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on April 19, 2023, 07:03:26 PM
    There was usually a few easy rounds in the qualifiers - so it was difficult to lose three games in a row any years, as usually there was a backdoor draw against much weaker opposition.
    That situation has pretty much changed now - whereby it's mostly Div 1 and high ranking Div 2 teams that we play - so it's a much more difficult scenario.
    I do remember those  teams going out of Ulster and then getting beat in qualifiers by Armagh - similar to last year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on April 20, 2023, 12:07:21 PM
    Hartes team lost 3 championship  games in a single  season  (2018) but I'm not sure how it's relevant  now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on April 20, 2023, 07:27:39 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on April 19, 2023, 10:00:44 AM
    Did MH ever lose three championship games in a row for Tyrone?

    His final 3... 2020 Donegal 2019 Kerry 2019 Dublin
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on April 30, 2023, 05:14:54 PM
    Mickey Harte.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on May 02, 2023, 04:50:27 PM
    Not the worst draw we could have got but Galway away on the first day out will be tough should they beat Sligo as expected.
    Would prefer Armagh over Derry in our second match which I presume will be in Omagh.
    Armagh have improved a lot since we beat them in the league and could give us our fill of it again.

    Hard to know where this Tyrone team are coming into the new format. Most of us thinking Canavan and Dazzler looking good but the half forwards and half backs really need to get back their hunger and work rate.
    We seemed to have moved away from our solid defensive style and be a lot more open, conceding easy scores but also scoring a lot ourselves. Much easier on the eye and entertaining to watch for sure but I wonder is this our new plan or are we just not showing our hand too early.

    For me getting to a semi final would be a good year but based on last year and the league so far I'd say we're behind Galway, Mayo, Derry and Armagh
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 05:48:52 PM
    I think to be honest its a very tough draw. If Galway get past Sligo then its a trip to a county that we always struggle in and against. Id have much rather played Kerry in Killarney.  If we get no points there then its a must win against Derry or Armagh and most likely Armagh to be fair. They beat us twice last year, have more of a forward ethos than in the league and will relish the opportunity to play Tyrone again.  Its at best a 50 50 chance for Tyrone.  and that is assuming Armagh take nothing off Galway which could build up to being the grudge game of the decade. Westmeath are a bit of an unknown quantity but are there on merit and could take points from either Tyrone or Armagh, but less likely from their maroon cousins.  I just think that Tyrone will really struggle in that group. I also think Derry are real contenders for Sam, they can handle everyone in their group and really seem to like each other at the moment. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on May 03, 2023, 10:35:55 AM
    Dont think its a 50/50 chance of getting out of the group and the second game is definitely not a must win. Only 1 team is eliminated. The only must win game to ensure you get out of the group and enter the knockout stages is the final one v Westmeath at a neutral venue
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on May 03, 2023, 10:45:01 AM
    Probably the most important one is the second game.  Win that and we're almost guaranteed to get second.  Third placed teams will be facing the likes of mayo, roscommon or monaghan.  Second placed teams will be facing the likes of clare, louth or kildare.  If we get anything from the first game then fantastic
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on May 03, 2023, 11:07:05 AM
    Definitely wouldn't want to finish third. Probably end up getting drawn away to Kerry/Mayo and even if somehow won that then you'd be looking at playing a top seed the following week.

    To be honest if you lose to both Galway and a team who lose an ulster final then the chances are the season isn't going anywhere anyway. If you are serious about competing for All Ireland's you need to be heading to Galway and giving a good account of yourself and beating Armagh/Derry at home.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 03, 2023, 11:40:37 AM
    What way will Tyrone go? Try and raise the form and confidence of a few players or put the likes of Oguz or mcglennan in?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on May 03, 2023, 12:54:33 PM
    That Monaghan loss does not look great in the cold light of day after what Derry done to them. Should qualify ok with Westmeath in the group but the squad really needs to build momentum over those 3 games. Three good performances and being able to say we played rightly there could be as important as what the final scorelines say.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on May 08, 2023, 05:20:02 PM
    I've been watching a lot of old games on Youtube and was thinking how little we have really used the tactic of high ball into the box.
    If you look how often a high ball kicked in (either on purpose or especially dropped short) often leads to a goal.

    With big McGleenan now on the panel surely this is worth a proper try as a tactic and not just do what a lot of teams do and play a big man in there but rarely hit it in properly. Even if he doesn't catch it for the mark, he can punch it over or create space for the corner forwards.

    I know it sounds almost too obvious but how often have we really used this tactic. Goals win matches and often goal chances are hard to come by with yer mass defences these days.
    in the 2018 AI final we put big Colm in there for 15 mins near the end but didnt kick that many balls into him. The one we did we got a penalty out of it.

    I'd say Dazza and Canavan would enjoy having a big man causing havoc in there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on May 08, 2023, 05:44:17 PM
    Should be trying a few against Galway for sure as their weakness is the keeper position and lack of height in their full back line
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 08, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2023, 05:20:02 PM
    I've been watching a lot of old games on Youtube and was thinking how little we have really used the tactic of high ball into the box.
    If you look how often a high ball kicked in (either on purpose or especially dropped short) often leads to a goal.

    With big McGleenan now on the panel surely this is worth a proper try as a tactic and not just do what a lot of teams do and play a big man in there but rarely hit it in properly. Even if he doesn't catch it for the mark, he can punch it over or create space for the corner forwards.

    I know it sounds almost too obvious but how often have we really used this tactic. Goals win matches and often goal chances are hard to come by with yer mass defences these days.
    in the 2018 AI final we put big Colm in there for 15 mins near the end but didnt kick that many balls into him. The one we did we got a penalty out of it.

    I'd say Dazza and Canavan would enjoy having a big man causing havoc in there.

    Fully agree. Think Colm won us 1-1 that time in 2018.eith Kennedy and con we should be putting in 6 or 8 high balls every game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on May 08, 2023, 09:39:29 PM
    Is that not a tactic we've been trying to use this year.  Kennedy got the penalty v monaghan in yhe league and big Kilpatrick is in there regularly enough
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 08, 2023, 10:09:59 PM
    Match ups against Galway is going to be v difficult as all their forwards need marked alonf with half back line.
    Prob best if you can put them on the back foot but don't think Tyrone have the half backs to do this
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on May 11, 2023, 10:38:48 PM
    I'm surprised at the silence on the entire forum about the Nicola Gallagher story this week? I'm pretty sure that everyone has been kept well up to speed on what has been going on with the Derry Manager.******
    (Know now that the conversation has been had over on the Armagh Derry page.)

    The truth might be somewhere in the middle of it all but I'm yet to hear one good character reference for him - either from players, friends, pundits or people that have known him from his time in Fermanagh and Donegal...as a footballer or as a recruitment professional

    DV is a scourge in this country - GAA men are venerated. DJ Carey recently and a load of other before him. They are not role models nor heroes.

    They are flawed like us all.

    Difficult position for the GAA - locally and nationally and yet again their comments are late and very tame - legal reasons as good a defence as they will need.

    There should be an unequivocal position on domestic abuse from Dublin, Provincial, county and club level.

    These victims are our daughters, sisters, friends, mothers, aunts - neighbours. Camogs, ladies footballers. whatever

    There shouldn't be any hiding place for this kind of behaviour. period.

    Innocent until proven guilty? A counter press release suggests that the PSNI / PPS couldn't pursue the case up here but doesn't cover Nicola's allegations about incidents in Clones, Sligo and Donegal.

    That would be a Garda issue. Interesting to hear their views on this.

    In truth, I'm less concerned about the Derry Manager.

    Nicola has been a victim it would seem for 24 years - and I would be more concerned that she now gets the support, counselling and care that has been absent. She poured her heart out on Facebook - how desperate must things be for someone to resort to that?

    I know how I would feel as a Tyrone fan if the accusations had been levelled at our manager...past, present or future.

    Investigation should begin immediately.

    In my opinion Rory Gallagher needs to not be viisble this sunday afternoon. Let him not be the centre of attention at one of our sports greatest fixtures - give him the time he needs to fully defend his reputation, sue for slander or whatever he is being advised to do.

    Our code has been taken into disrepute and either the Ulster council or Dublin needs to sort that out before Sunday.



    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on May 11, 2023, 10:57:38 PM
    It has and is being discussed at length on the Armagh v Derry Ulster Final thread.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on May 11, 2023, 11:01:55 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on May 11, 2023, 10:57:38 PM
    It has and is being discussed at length on the Armagh v Derry Ulster Final thread.

    Ah ok - I didn't see that - genuinely had only looked at the Derry page.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: time ticking away on May 14, 2023, 07:03:49 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 30, 2023, 05:14:54 PM
    Mickey Harte.

    Not his finest day
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 08:13:20 PM
    Salthill next week will hopefully be a cracker. Big championship performance needed after two very limp performances last year, along with a terrible second half this year v Monaghan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 14, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on May 14, 2023, 07:03:49 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 30, 2023, 05:14:54 PM
    Mickey Harte.

    Not his finest day

    Louth were probably over hyped by some going into today. Had a handy run to the final and had Offaly shown a bit more composure at the end of the semi then they would have won. Indeed, the way Louth didn't seem sure what to with a handy lead late on in that game was a little reminiscent of Tyrone teams in the last few years under Mickey. Regardless of today and whatever else happens this summer he has done a great job there.

    Will be fascinating to see Tyrone emerge from cold storage next week. I didn't think Derry or Armagh were particularly impressive today but they've had a few matches, something we could probably have done with. Hard to hit the ground running now but hopefully the last few weeks have been used well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on May 14, 2023, 10:28:28 PM
    Tyrone like being underdogs or at least going in under the radar. Maybe this convoluted tournament structure could suit us this year. I'd prefer to be in Tyrone position than Armagh at the minute anyway.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 16, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
    Whats the thoughts this weekend? Start as Monaghan below to try and match up with the attacking wing backs of Galway or will we see a McGlennon, Oguz or R Canavan? Picking up Tierney among several others is going to be tough. Assume Meyler go on Walsh and McNamee on Cormer?. Galway have an impressive spread of players and are going to be hard to control. 


    Niall Morgan; Ronan McNamee, Pádraig Hampsey; Cormac Quinn; Kieran McGeary, Michael McKernan, Conor Meyler; Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick; Peter Harte, Michael O'Neill, Frank Burns; Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on May 16, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
    Whats the thoughts this weekend? Start as Monaghan below to try and match up with the attacking wing backs of Galway or will we see a McGlennon, Oguz or R Canavan? Picking up Tierney among several others is going to be tough. Assume Meyler go on Walsh and McNamee on Cormer?. Galway have an impressive spread of players and are going to be hard to control. 


    Niall Morgan; Ronan McNamee, Pádraig Hampsey; Cormac Quinn; Kieran McGeary, Michael McKernan, Conor Meyler; Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick; Peter Harte, Michael O'Neill, Frank Burns; Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.
    Move Harte from CHB back out to the wing where he is of benefit. Burns or Munroe to CHB.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on May 16, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
    Half forward line were shocking against Monaghan. Don't know if you can keep taking the donkey to the well there... I'd expect big changes in that line beyond moving the chips around...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on May 16, 2023, 02:07:42 PM
    I think we need to go ultra defensive or Galway attack will destroy us. We've taken some beatings there recently.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 16, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
    Heard there have been a number of departures from the panel over the last two weeks but no announcements made
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on May 16, 2023, 02:21:27 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on May 16, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
    Whats the thoughts this weekend? Start as Monaghan below to try and match up with the attacking wing backs of Galway or will we see a McGlennon, Oguz or R Canavan? Picking up Tierney among several others is going to be tough. Assume Meyler go on Walsh and McNamee on Cormer?. Galway have an impressive spread of players and are going to be hard to control. 


    Niall Morgan; Ronan McNamee, Pádraig Hampsey; Cormac Quinn; Kieran McGeary, Michael McKernan, Conor Meyler; Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick; Peter Harte, Michael O'Neill, Frank Burns; Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.
    Move Harte from CHB back out to the wing where he is of benefit. Burns or Munroe to CHB.

    If you were picking a team on form over last 12 months Harte could very easily find himself on the bench. He hasn't been doing enough. That could allow Burns to slot into 6.

    Half forward line is a difficult one. McGeary and O'Neill like Harte should not be starting on anything we've seen over the last 12 months. Canavan could  play deeper as a play maker allowing McGleenan to go inside and try something different. Wonder what sort of shape McShane is in - probably still only an impact sub for now. Mattie and Oguz could be used as workers out round the middle sector.

    Very important for confidence that we go to Galway and put in a big shift. 3 championship losses in a row now - don't want that run continuing much longer.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on May 16, 2023, 02:22:18 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 16, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
    Heard there have been a number of departures from the panel over the last two weeks but no announcements made

    Who all is meant to have gone? They called in a few u20's a few weeks back - wonder was that as replacements?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on May 16, 2023, 02:22:44 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 16, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
    Heard there have been a number of departures from the panel over the last two weeks but no announcements made
    We should get confirmations on Friday evening when the ACL kicks off.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on May 16, 2023, 04:17:31 PM
    Heard they had a challenge match a few weeks back and they were flying. Looks like Michael O'Neill is their preferred sweeper so I'd expect him to start at 11 and drop back like he used to. Those 8 central positions don't really seem to matter any more who is named where.

    McKernan and Harte would be good wing backs able to attack and shoot with probably Burns in the centre for me. Although I won't be surprised to see Mattie drop back there a lot too when they have possession. We really need to protect that central area a lot more than we have been doing as a lot of games we were wide open if a man gets turned or slips. We have conceded a lot of goals since 2021 and often it's right up the middle.

    What's the story with Sludden? Has he just fell down the pecking order as I think he's always did well when he has come on and is usually worth a few scores? I suppose he's one of the older lads now and maybe suits coming on ala Tiernan used to.

    I can see Meyler and McGeary at wing forward again although I really hope the latter starts getting back to himself soon as he's a long way off the high standard he set in 2021. Meyler showed us recently he can kick points too but he always gets a tough marking job as we saw v Monaghan.

    Mattie didn't seem to spend much time in at FF in recent games and so we continue to rotate that position with our midfielders to various levels of success. Again I'd really love to see McGleenan given a full half in here where we use his obvious strengths.
    I just think it would help us to mix it up a bit and not be always running the ball into two small men.
    Quinn might suit half back more than corner.

                               Niall Morgan
    Pádraig Hampsey  Ronan McNamee   Cormac Quinn
    Peter Harte           Frank Burns         Michael McKernan

                     Brian Kennedy Conn Kilpatrick

    Kieran McGeary   Michael O'Neill     Conor Meyler
    Darren McCurry   Mattie Donnelly   Darragh Canavan

    Just realized that's very close to the AI winning team bar Sludden and McKenna

    Subs to come on
    Sludden
    Oguz
    McGleenan
    Ruairi C

    Galway will be well up for this feeling they've become one of the top 3 teams now.
    Have we ever lost to them in the AI championship? I know we met in a few quarterfinals in 00's and of course 1986 & 1995 semi finals.
    I've a feeling McShane's days in the FF line might be over as it looks like he's lost his pace or sharpness.
    Would he be better suited at wing forward to help the midfield. He is still an accurate kicker and has an eye for goal but it looked like he was struggling to win ball into him in a congested area.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on May 16, 2023, 04:24:52 PM
    1956 we lost to a Frankie Stockwell and Sean Purcell inspired Galway.  Still hurts...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on May 16, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
    I hope that big McGleenan gets a decent run out one of these days
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 16, 2023, 11:20:32 PM
    Quote from: Stan on May 16, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
    I hope that big McGleenan gets a decent run out one of these days

    What kind of mobility has he got? Looks quick enuf going forward
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on May 16, 2023, 11:25:11 PM
    According to a significant Mayo twitter personality Tyrone gave Mayo a strong showing in a challenge match recently.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on May 16, 2023, 11:30:36 PM


    Yes the B team outscored the A team against Mayo
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on May 17, 2023, 08:09:27 AM
    When was this meant to have been? Any reports on who played etc?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on May 17, 2023, 08:42:28 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 17, 2023, 08:09:27 AM
    When was this meant to have been? Any reports on who played etc?

    weekend before last in carrick on shannon. not much info on it, other than went fairly well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on May 17, 2023, 08:46:41 AM
    Darragh Canavan pick up a hamstring injury during it?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 17, 2023, 09:12:45 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 17, 2023, 08:46:41 AM
    Darragh Canavan pick up a hamstring injury during it?

    That would be a disaster
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on May 17, 2023, 09:47:52 AM
    Quote from: Stan on May 16, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
    I hope that big McGleenan gets a decent run out one of these days
    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I had heard he was in a boot from injuring his ankle at training.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on May 17, 2023, 10:39:54 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 17, 2023, 08:46:41 AM
    Darragh Canavan pick up a hamstring injury during it?

    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 17, 2023, 09:47:52 AM
    Quote from: Stan on May 16, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
    I hope that big McGleenan gets a decent run out one of these days
    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I had heard he was in a boot from injuring his ankle at training.

    You are a right wee ray of sunshine.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on May 17, 2023, 10:41:18 AM
    Lol, ok he's flying fit and putting them over the bar for fun from all angles.  Great news
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mario on May 17, 2023, 01:04:00 PM
    Quote from: God14 on May 17, 2023, 08:42:28 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 17, 2023, 08:09:27 AM
    When was this meant to have been? Any reports on who played etc?

    weekend before last in carrick on shannon. not much info on it, other than went fairly well
    Maybe explains recent comments from Colm Boyle and Lee Keegan where they said Tyrone are the most dangerous team in ulster.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on May 17, 2023, 01:28:18 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 17, 2023, 09:12:45 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 17, 2023, 08:46:41 AM
    Darragh Canavan pick up a hamstring injury during it?

    That would be a disaster

    Could also be Cute Hoorism.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on May 17, 2023, 04:59:44 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 17, 2023, 09:47:52 AM
    Quote from: Stan on May 16, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
    I hope that big McGleenan gets a decent run out one of these days
    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I had heard he was in a boot from injuring his ankle at training.

    Don't think McGleenan is 100% correct but it is one of the other forwards who has been in a boot for 4/5 weeks now. Darragh picked up hamstring but he should be ok
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on May 19, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
    Tyrone V Galway:

    Niall Morgan;
    Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Padraig Hampsey;
    Conor Meyler, Cormac Quinn, Peter Harte;
    Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick;
    Frank Burns, Michael O'Neill, Joe Oguz;
    Darren McCurry, Matthew Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.

    Subs:
    Benny Gallen, Ruairi Canavan, Aidan Clarke, Niall Devlin, Niall Kelly, Kieran McGeary, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Munroe, David Mulgrew, Sean O'Donnell, Niall Sludden.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 19, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
    Tyrone V Galway:

    Niall Morgan;
    Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Padraig Hampsey;
    Conor Meyler, Cormac Quinn, Peter Harte;
    Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick;
    Frank Burns, Michael O'Neill, Joe Oguz;
    Darren McCurry, Matthew Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.

    Subs:
    Benny Gallen, Ruairi Canavan, Aidan Clarke, Niall Devlin, Niall Kelly, Kieran McGeary, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Munroe, David Mulgrew, Sean O'Donnell, Niall Sludden.

    Will be close to what starts. Harte maybe closer to goal than last time out. Good to see Clarke among the subs. What's score with r Donnelly and McShane?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on May 19, 2023, 01:48:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 19, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
    Tyrone V Galway:

    Niall Morgan;
    Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Padraig Hampsey;
    Conor Meyler, Cormac Quinn, Peter Harte;
    Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick;
    Frank Burns, Michael O'Neill, Joe Oguz;
    Darren McCurry, Matthew Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.

    Subs:
    Benny Gallen, Ruairi Canavan, Aidan Clarke, Niall Devlin, Niall Kelly, Kieran McGeary, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Munroe, David Mulgrew, Sean O'Donnell, Niall Sludden.

    Will be close to what starts. Harte maybe closer to goal than last time out. Good to see Clarke among the subs. What's score with r Donnelly and McShane?

    Nathan McCarron slipped off the subs list as well (impressed me this year)

    I was hoping for something left-field at 6 - ie a reshuffle to get Hampsey in there, or bringing in Peter Teague. Having not appeared all year, we can conclude its not happening for Teague this year again. Niall Kelly would have been an option in there too. Its a glaring weakness this year.

    Frank Burns & Mickey O'Neill at 10 & 11 really did not work out the last day. Obviously the numbers on the jerseys mean nothing, but you wouldnt want to see us repeat the same mistakes again & again.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on May 19, 2023, 02:12:52 PM
    Quote from: God14 on May 19, 2023, 01:48:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 19, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
    Tyrone V Galway:

    Niall Morgan;
    Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Padraig Hampsey;
    Conor Meyler, Cormac Quinn, Peter Harte;
    Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick;
    Frank Burns, Michael O'Neill, Joe Oguz;
    Darren McCurry, Matthew Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.

    Subs:
    Benny Gallen, Ruairi Canavan, Aidan Clarke, Niall Devlin, Niall Kelly, Kieran McGeary, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Munroe, David Mulgrew, Sean O'Donnell, Niall Sludden.

    Will be close to what starts. Harte maybe closer to goal than last time out. Good to see Clarke among the subs. What's score with r Donnelly and McShane?

    Nathan McCarron slipped off the subs list as well (impressed me this year)

    I was hoping for something left-field at 6 - ie a reshuffle to get Hampsey in there, or bringing in Peter Teague. Having not appeared all year, we can conclude its not happening for Teague this year again. Niall Kelly would have been an option in there too. Its a glaring weakness this year.

    Frank Burns & Mickey O'Neill at 10 & 11 really did not work out the last day. Obviously the numbers on the jerseys mean nothing, but you wouldnt want to see us repeat the same mistakes again & again.
    Is Quinn the 6th different number 6 named this year after Harte, Munroe, McCarron, McNamee and Burns?
    Nothing like a bit of stability in a central position.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on May 19, 2023, 02:18:36 PM
    Quote from: God14 on May 19, 2023, 01:48:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 19, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
    Tyrone V Galway:

    Niall Morgan;
    Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Padraig Hampsey;
    Conor Meyler, Cormac Quinn, Peter Harte;
    Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick;
    Frank Burns, Michael O'Neill, Joe Oguz;
    Darren McCurry, Matthew Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.

    Subs:
    Benny Gallen, Ruairi Canavan, Aidan Clarke, Niall Devlin, Niall Kelly, Kieran McGeary, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Munroe, David Mulgrew, Sean O'Donnell, Niall Sludden.

    Will be close to what starts. Harte maybe closer to goal than last time out. Good to see Clarke among the subs. What's score with r Donnelly and McShane?

    Nathan McCarron slipped off the subs list as well (impressed me this year)

    I was hoping for something left-field at 6 - ie a reshuffle to get Hampsey in there, or bringing in Peter Teague. Having not appeared all year, we can conclude its not happening for Teague this year again. Niall Kelly would have been an option in there too. Its a glaring weakness this year.

    Frank Burns & Mickey O'Neill at 10 & 11 really did not work out the last day. Obviously the numbers on the jerseys mean nothing, but you wouldnt want to see us repeat the same mistakes again & again.
    Has been dropped from the panel by Dooher and Logan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on May 19, 2023, 03:01:04 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 19, 2023, 02:18:36 PM
    Quote from: God14 on May 19, 2023, 01:48:56 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 19, 2023, 01:38:21 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on May 19, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
    Tyrone V Galway:

    Niall Morgan;
    Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Padraig Hampsey;
    Conor Meyler, Cormac Quinn, Peter Harte;
    Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick;
    Frank Burns, Michael O'Neill, Joe Oguz;
    Darren McCurry, Matthew Donnelly, Darragh Canavan.

    Subs:
    Benny Gallen, Ruairi Canavan, Aidan Clarke, Niall Devlin, Niall Kelly, Kieran McGeary, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Munroe, David Mulgrew, Sean O'Donnell, Niall Sludden.

    Will be close to what starts. Harte maybe closer to goal than last time out. Good to see Clarke among the subs. What's score with r Donnelly and McShane?

    Nathan McCarron slipped off the subs list as well (impressed me this year)

    I was hoping for something left-field at 6 - ie a reshuffle to get Hampsey in there, or bringing in Peter Teague. Having not appeared all year, we can conclude its not happening for Teague this year again. Niall Kelly would have been an option in there too. Its a glaring weakness this year.

    Frank Burns & Mickey O'Neill at 10 & 11 really did not work out the last day. Obviously the numbers on the jerseys mean nothing, but you wouldnt want to see us repeat the same mistakes again & again.
    Has been dropped from the panel by Dooher and Logan.
    Peter has been injured since the club championship last year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 19, 2023, 09:11:07 PM
    I see Liam Rafferty playing for Galbally tonight. Was he on the panel at all this year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 19, 2023, 09:18:20 PM
    Yea he was on panel but no starts and hard to see him getting much game time
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 19, 2023, 09:21:00 PM
    Logan/Dooher never really seemed to rate him. I always thought he was a decent player when he first came onto the scene under Harte.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on May 19, 2023, 10:23:52 PM
    Solid enough looking  team but obvious  doubts about  m o Neill at chf. Could  see a change there before  throw  in.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on May 20, 2023, 01:10:35 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on May 19, 2023, 10:23:52 PM
    Solid enough looking  team but obvious  doubts about  m o Neill at chf. Could  see a change there before  throw  in.

    And if there is no change will you come on here and say that you talk a load of rubble ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 20, 2023, 12:20:40 PM
    What story with McShane? Devenney saying r canavan ripping it up in training. He will be hard not to start in the coming weeks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 20, 2023, 12:47:03 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 20, 2023, 12:20:40 PM
    What story with McShane? Devenney saying r canavan ripping it up in training. He will be hard not to start in the coming weeks

    Has a wedding to go to this Thursday night
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on May 20, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
    Surely that ends Frank burns career in the red and white
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 20, 2023, 07:16:37 PM
    Half forward line again totally not up to standard. Oguz had his hands full with mcdaid but the others were v poor
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 20, 2023, 08:26:36 PM
    Hard one to judge with the early red card but seemed we were happy just to keep the score down in the 2nd half. Even with 14 Galway were there for the taking but we never looked like winning it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 20, 2023, 08:28:41 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 20, 2023, 08:26:36 PM
    Hard one to judge with the early red card but seemed we were happy just to keep the score down in the 2nd half. Even with 14 Galway were there for the taking but we never looked like winning it.

    Surprised to see O'Donnell coming on. Must be impressing
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 20, 2023, 08:48:16 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 20, 2023, 08:28:41 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 20, 2023, 08:26:36 PM
    Hard one to judge with the early red card but seemed we were happy just to keep the score down in the 2nd half. Even with 14 Galway were there for the taking but we never looked like winning it.

    Surprised to see O'Donnell coming on. Must be impressing

    Ahead of McGeary as well and first one in. McGeary only come on as a 2 minute blood sub. Interesting the 4 subs that came on were all from the u20 team last year. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on May 20, 2023, 09:10:03 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on May 20, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
    Surely that ends Frank burns career in the red and white
    Harsh. He was one of our best players in the league. A couple of bad games (ok he probably cost us the chance to win today) and he should be banished?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 20, 2023, 09:28:51 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 20, 2023, 08:48:16 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 20, 2023, 08:28:41 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 20, 2023, 08:26:36 PM
    Hard one to judge with the early red card but seemed we were happy just to keep the score down in the 2nd half. Even with 14 Galway were there for the taking but we never looked like winning it.

    Surprised to see O'Donnell coming on. Must be impressing

    Ahead of McGeary as well and first one in. McGeary only come on as a 2 minute blood sub. Interesting the 4 subs that came on were all from the u20 team last year.

    Yes and O'Donnell on where sludden mcgeary are the obvious options. Won a handy free as well. Would like to see canavan and Mcglennon on earlier. Niall Devlin gas top ability and hope he kicks on
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 20, 2023, 09:43:55 PM
    4 championship losses in a row.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: restorepride on May 20, 2023, 09:55:39 PM
    Tyrone are much better than their recent results. Still think they will improve when they reach the quarter finals and have excellent forwards.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 10:15:13 PM
    Looking at the incident on the Sunday Game it just looks like a badly timed challenge.  A guy of his experience should know better but we need to cut him some slack at the same time.  Think we can have sone complaints about gough as well.  Clothes line from galway player n then Morgan gets black carded!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on May 20, 2023, 11:09:30 PM
    Quote from: restorepride on May 20, 2023, 09:55:39 PM
    Tyrone are much better than their recent results. Still think they will improve when they reach the quarter finals and have excellent forwards.
    Excellent forwards??? Who do we have apart from darragh and Darren

    In the ast 2 games we have had 0 return from our half forward line.

    Contrast that to any other top 4 team....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on May 20, 2023, 11:12:38 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 20, 2023, 09:10:03 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on May 20, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
    Surely that ends Frank burns career in the red and white
    Harsh. He was one of our best players in the league. A couple of bad games (ok he probably cost us the chance to win today) and he should be banished?

    Can he kick a score?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on May 21, 2023, 12:21:01 AM
    Very heartening performance I thought.

    Although they came up short; Galway should be the ones looking at themselves - yes the got the result and that's all that matters but they scraped over the line.

    Tyrone showed a lot of fight with 14 men for 2/3rd or more of the game.

    I do think some of the subs could be blooded in better or even better, start, but we don't see what goes on in training.

    We need to switch it up a wee bit for Armagh try something else
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 21, 2023, 08:12:42 AM
    Half forwards a big problem.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 21, 2023, 09:18:03 AM
    Quote from: An Watcher on May 20, 2023, 10:15:13 PM
    Looking at the incident on the Sunday Game it just looks like a badly timed challenge.  A guy of his experience should know better but we need to cut him some slack at the same time.  Think we can have sone complaints about gough as well.  Clothes line from galway player n then Morgan gets black carded!!

    The truth is somewhere between "banishing" him and "cutting him some slack". It's more than badly timed, it's a ridiculous challenge which pretty much ended our hopes yesterday and undermined what went on to be a very good team effort in tough circumstances. I would hope the management make clear to Frank Burns that what he did was totally unacceptable and cannot be repeated. I'd have a word in the ear of Kennedy too, another who is a good player but prone to daft challenges. As a team there are lessons to be learned here.

    There was a lot to admire about Tyrone yesterday. The situation at 0-7 to 0-3 against a good team and a man down looked dire yet they ended up within a score at the end. But the discipline must improve or we'll do nothing. Too easy to blame Gough as well. Yes he made a string of increasingly erratic calls but the players have to be much smarter.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on May 21, 2023, 12:11:43 PM
    Thought they played well yesterday - it was a big effort with 13/14 men
    Could have been much tighter but for a few dubious decisions from Gough - they could have had frees and then Galway  broke and got free at the other end, which brought Galway a couple of points clear
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on May 21, 2023, 04:03:37 PM
    Looks to me the management want to bring in a good few of the U20 lads from last year's winning team.
    I suppose they see more hunger or hard work from the younger lads.
    McKenna gone, huge drop off in performance from McGeary, Sludden, McShane, ONeill and I suppose you'd say Burns too.
    Harte and Mattie played quite well yesterday but it looks like we don't really play half forwards any more and Mattie spends most of the time in defence as does ONeill.
    I keep asking myself are they trying to not show their hand or try out new players.
    At least yesterday we showed a bit of bite, work rate and didn't concede any goals.
    Canavan didn't score from play and didn't look as lively as he did v Monaghan.
    Oguz found it tough going against McDaid but hopefully it's a bit more open at home to Armagh who will feel they could even top the group now having Galway in a neutral venue.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Coddfather on May 22, 2023, 09:55:29 AM
    Benny gallen has been given the boot from the Tyrone panel after playing 60 mins in midfield vs Derrylaughan on Friday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 22, 2023, 10:00:47 AM
    Quote from: The Coddfather on May 22, 2023, 09:55:29 AM
    Benny gallen has been given the boot from the Tyrone panel after playing 60 mins in midfield vs Derrylaughan on Friday.

    The dropouts got to have something to say about the camp surely.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 22, 2023, 10:03:18 AM
    Quote from: The Coddfather on May 22, 2023, 09:55:29 AM
    Benny gallen has been given the boot from the Tyrone panel after playing 60 mins in midfield vs Derrylaughan on Friday.

    Did we have a back up keeper in Galway then or was it Petey Harte?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on May 22, 2023, 10:31:53 AM
    Surely there was a back up keeper, I'd say they put Petey in as they didn't want to use up a sub at that stage. Especially being down to 14 and likely to need to freshen up later in 2md half.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 22, 2023, 10:54:05 AM
    Oh yeah definitely would have been stupid to use up a sub for that 10 minutes but just wondering did we get someone in last minute to cover for Gallen. I had heard on Saturday morning that he played v Derrylaughan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on May 22, 2023, 12:29:14 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 22, 2023, 10:54:05 AM
    Oh yeah definitely would have been stupid to use up a sub for that 10 minutes but just wondering did we get someone in last minute to cover for Gallen. I had heard on Saturday morning that he played v Derrylaughan.

    Lorcan Quinn is still in the squad. Has been injured until recently I believe
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on May 22, 2023, 03:44:19 PM
    Lorcan Quinn was there. Makes more sense not to use up a sub and ride out the 10 mins just wasting time. Seems to be the thing to do
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 22, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
    Whats your thoughts on axing Gallen from the panel for playing football? I've never been a fan of excluding players that dont make match day panels from club football, surly they would be better served getting some game time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneClubs on May 22, 2023, 09:50:36 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 22, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
    Whats your thoughts on axing Gallen from the panel for playing football? I've never been a fan of excluding players that dont make match day panels from club football, surly they would be better served getting some game time.

    He was named on panel as sub keeper - after all the crying Aghyaran did about GC playing players hat shouldn't have been playing a couple of years back. Surely they should be docked the points now then for playing him during a stared game 🤔
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 22, 2023, 09:54:15 PM
    I agree in theory with players not getting any game time with the county to play club but it would put the whole starred system up the left.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on May 22, 2023, 10:13:29 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 22, 2023, 09:54:15 PM
    I agree in theory with players not getting any game time with the county to play club but it would put the whole starred system up the left.
    We now have a situation where Liam Rafferty and Benny Gallens exits from the panel have put the starred system up the left as Galbally and Aghyaran are playing starred teams with their full quota of players.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 22, 2023, 10:34:56 PM
    That it true and that's been happening for years as well. Didn't something like that happen with Clonoe players a few years ago I think? I'm in favour of lads getting football but it would require clubs accepting that sometimes it will go in their favour and sometimes it won't.

    Eugene Brannigan must have got released by Down to have been able to carry out his little act of thuggery? Not sure what the policy is in Down.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on May 22, 2023, 11:02:10 PM
    Owen roes goin to benefit too from starred games now I hear.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 22, 2023, 11:56:50 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 22, 2023, 11:02:10 PM
    Owen roes goin to benefit too from starred games now I hear.

    Gone?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Under Lights on May 23, 2023, 08:42:43 AM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on May 22, 2023, 09:50:36 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 22, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
    Whats your thoughts on axing Gallen from the panel for playing football? I've never been a fan of excluding players that dont make match day panels from club football, surly they would be better served getting some game time.

    He was named on panel as sub keeper - after all the crying Aghyaran did about GC playing players hat shouldn't have been playing a couple of years back. Surely they should be docked the points now then for playing him during a stared game 🤔

    If thats the case then players who leave the Tyrone panel after the starred fixtures are arranged shouldn't be eligible to play ie Liam Rafferty and the likes.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on May 23, 2023, 08:43:48 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 22, 2023, 11:56:50 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on May 22, 2023, 11:02:10 PM
    Owen roes goin to benefit too from starred games now I hear.

    Gone?
    I assume this is mcshane? If so what has happened him since 2021 when he started to show good form again
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 23, 2023, 09:01:51 AM
    I would take a guess and say that he never 100% fully recovered from that ankle injury in 2020 to push on again and to get back to the sort of form that won him an all star. I know he had a big impact off the bench in 2021 and could be argued we wouldn't have won the All Ireland without that impact.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on May 23, 2023, 09:56:28 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 23, 2023, 08:42:43 AM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on May 22, 2023, 09:50:36 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 22, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
    Whats your thoughts on axing Gallen from the panel for playing football? I've never been a fan of excluding players that dont make match day panels from club football, surly they would be better served getting some game time.

    He was named on panel as sub keeper - after all the crying Aghyaran did about GC playing players hat shouldn't have been playing a couple of years back. Surely they should be docked the points now then for playing him during a stared game 🤔

    If thats the case then players who leave the Tyrone panel after the starred fixtures are arranged shouldn't be eligible to play ie Liam Rafferty and the likes.

    This should be the case and it's surprising that there isn't a rule to allow for this as it's not the first season this has happened in. If you play a county player (or one that has left the panel) in a starred game you lose the points if you win or draw simple.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Coddfather on May 23, 2023, 11:02:24 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on May 23, 2023, 09:56:28 AM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 23, 2023, 08:42:43 AM
    Quote from: TyroneClubs on May 22, 2023, 09:50:36 PM
    Quote from: Under Lights on May 22, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
    Whats your thoughts on axing Gallen from the panel for playing football? I've never been a fan of excluding players that dont make match day panels from club football, surly they would be better served getting some game time.

    He was named on panel as sub keeper - after all the crying Aghyaran did about GC playing players hat shouldn't have been playing a couple of years back. Surely they should be docked the points now then for playing him during a stared game 🤔

    If thats the case then players who leave the Tyrone panel after the starred fixtures are arranged shouldn't be eligible to play ie Liam Rafferty and the likes.

    This should be the case and it's surprising that there isn't a rule to allow for this as it's not the first season this has happened in. If you play a county player (or one that has left the panel) in a starred game you lose the points if you win or draw simple.

    This is not fair on players.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on May 23, 2023, 11:41:38 AM
    Don't see the logic in trying to not allow players who belong to the clubs play for their clubs.  Are you really suggesting it is fair that a lad gets no football if decides to walk away from County Panel or that his club is forced to play a meaningless game?  Players will miss games through one reason or another suspension, injury etc during league games especially not uncommon to not be playing with a full deck. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on May 23, 2023, 12:02:21 PM
    Players know when they join, or are with, the county that the will miss 5 starred games
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on May 23, 2023, 12:09:07 PM
    Why is there no stand tickets available yet for Armagh game? Terrace only on ticketmaster
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 23, 2023, 12:21:47 PM
    I think its just season ticket holders and clubs that are getting stand tickets. Terrace only on general sale at the minute.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on May 23, 2023, 12:36:05 PM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 23, 2023, 12:09:07 PM
    Why is there no stand tickets available yet for Armagh game? Terrace only on ticketmaster

    Tyrone v Armagh,  championship.
    I'd expect a big crowd.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on May 23, 2023, 12:42:26 PM
    Quote from: smort on May 23, 2023, 12:02:21 PM
    Players know when they join, or are with, the county that the will miss 5 starred games

    Circumstances change. It's not fair to take football of a player who decides to drop from a panel for whatever reason.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Coddfather on May 23, 2023, 02:09:18 PM
    Quote from: smort on May 23, 2023, 12:02:21 PM
    Players know when they join, or are with, the county that the will miss 5 starred games

    What a great deterance for fringe and / or future players
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 24, 2023, 03:51:12 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 23, 2023, 09:01:51 AM
    I would take a guess and say that he never 100% fully recovered from that ankle injury in 2020 to push on again and to get back to the sort of form that won him an all star. I know he had a big impact off the bench in 2021 and could be argued we wouldn't have won the All Ireland without that impact.

    A few mischief makers at play here it would seem, rumours of his departure have been greatly exaggerated  :): https://www.irishnews.com/sport/2023/05/23/news/mcshane_still_part_of_tyrone_management_plans_as_darren_hughes_ruled_out_of_derry_clash-3298510/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on May 26, 2023, 05:30:31 PM
    Hopefully McShane recovers fully and starts to show some of the form he did in previous years. Even in 2021 he might not have been electric like in his All star year but he certainly came in often as a sub and kicked a good few points or punched goal.

    Would it be be better to have him at wing forward with maybe Oguz on the other side. Both well able to catch clean ball and shoot from distance. I think playing McShane at 14 isn't good for his confidence as maybe he has lost that wee bit of pace since his injury.
    Where can ye see Ruari Canavan fitting into this team?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 26, 2023, 05:37:50 PM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 24, 2023, 03:51:12 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 23, 2023, 09:01:51 AM
    I would take a guess and say that he never 100% fully recovered from that ankle injury in 2020 to push on again and to get back to the sort of form that won him an all star. I know he had a big impact off the bench in 2021 and could be argued we wouldn't have won the All Ireland without that impact.

    A few mischief makers at play here it would seem, rumours of his departure have been greatly exaggerated  :): https://www.irishnews.com/sport/2023/05/23/news/mcshane_still_part_of_tyrone_management_plans_as_darren_hughes_ruled_out_of_derry_clash-3298510/

    Ah it was that WT4E man spreading the rumours  :P
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on May 26, 2023, 11:07:45 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2023, 05:30:31 PM
    Hopefully McShane recovers fully and starts to show some of the form he did in previous years. Even in 2021 he might not have been electric like in his All star year but he certainly came in often as a sub and kicked a good few points or punched goal.

    Would it be be better to have him at wing forward with maybe Oguz on the other side. Both well able to catch clean ball and shoot from distance. I think playing McShane at 14 isn't good for his confidence as maybe he has lost that wee bit of pace since his injury.
    Where can ye see Ruari Canavan fitting into this team?

    Mark Bradley would fit better. He is top drawer
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on May 27, 2023, 12:09:40 AM
    Was thinking about Bradley.  Would he get a run over mccurry n canavan?  Great player no doubt but hopefully he'll give it another lash
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 27, 2023, 05:22:28 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 26, 2023, 05:37:50 PM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 24, 2023, 03:51:12 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on May 23, 2023, 09:01:51 AM
    I would take a guess and say that he never 100% fully recovered from that ankle injury in 2020 to push on again and to get back to the sort of form that won him an all star. I know he had a big impact off the bench in 2021 and could be argued we wouldn't have won the All Ireland without that impact.

    A few mischief makers at play here it would seem, rumours of his departure have been greatly exaggerated  :): https://www.irishnews.com/sport/2023/05/23/news/mcshane_still_part_of_tyrone_management_plans_as_darren_hughes_ruled_out_of_derry_clash-3298510/

    Ah it was that WT4E man spreading the rumours  :P
    .
    Granted, apologies! 😉
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on May 29, 2023, 09:57:23 AM
    Munroe the latest departure?

    https://twitter.com/teamtalkmaglive/status/1662915991355916288?s=46

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on May 29, 2023, 10:08:40 AM
    Gee's what a mess.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 29, 2023, 11:12:20 AM
    Had his chances this year as well but not happy with a sub role. Tough to be on the bench but late in the day to be pulling the pin
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on May 29, 2023, 01:46:04 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    McCartan played for Errigal. He must be away as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on May 29, 2023, 01:50:04 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on May 29, 2023, 01:46:04 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    McCartan played for Errigal. He must be away as well.



    Thats four men gone from the panel in the last few weeks alone - Benny Gallen, Peter Og McCartan, Cormac Munroe, Liam Rafferty

    Need a serious end of season review
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on May 29, 2023, 02:04:10 PM
    Have they brought in new players to replace these guys or will they?
    Why do we seem to have this problem more than any other county?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on May 29, 2023, 02:09:01 PM
    Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2023, 01:50:04 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on May 29, 2023, 01:46:04 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    McCartan played for Errigal. He must be away as well.



    Thats four men gone from the panel in the last few weeks alone - Benny Gallen, Peter Og McCartan, Cormac Munroe, Liam Rafferty

    Need a serious end of season review
    Conor Shields has left the panel as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on May 29, 2023, 03:37:05 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2023, 02:04:10 PM
    Have they brought in new players to replace these guys or will they?
    Why do we seem to have this problem more than any other county?

    Not easy to sit on the bench, train flat out for 6 weeks and then see the same team picked week after week.

    I honestly think all those players who have left this year and in recent seasons would remain on the panel if those not involved in the 21 man match day player panel were allowed to play club football to keep their match sharpness up between county fixtures. Some other counties allow it so it must be a decision that is left up to each individual county
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on May 29, 2023, 03:44:46 PM
    Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2023, 01:50:04 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on May 29, 2023, 01:46:04 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    McCartan played for Errigal. He must be away as well.



    Thats four men gone from the panel in the last few weeks alone - Benny Gallen, Peter Og McCartan, Cormac Munroe, Liam Rafferty

    Need a serious end of season review
    Was Conor Quinn not still part of the panel at the beginning of the year also?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on May 29, 2023, 04:03:42 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on May 29, 2023, 03:44:46 PM
    Quote from: God14 on May 29, 2023, 01:50:04 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on May 29, 2023, 01:46:04 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    McCartan played for Errigal. He must be away as well.



    Thats four men gone from the panel in the last few weeks alone - Benny Gallen, Peter Og McCartan, Cormac Munroe, Liam Rafferty

    Need a serious end of season review
    Was Conor Quinn not still part of the panel at the beginning of the year also?

    yeah, he opted out as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on May 29, 2023, 09:56:50 PM
     I would not worry about opt outs. There is always willing players to take their place.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on May 29, 2023, 10:26:10 PM
    As long as it doesn't impact morale. In recent years the opt outs that have been most missed on the pitch are probable t mccann, Bradley and r Brennan.

    A lot of them would impact the level of in house games
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on May 30, 2023, 07:56:00 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on May 29, 2023, 10:26:10 PM
    As long as it doesn't impact morale. In recent years the opt outs that have been most missed on the pitch are probable t mccann, Bradley and r Brennan.

    A lot of them would impact the level of in house games

    Player turnover is a massive drain. Time, effort & commitment work both ways
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on May 30, 2023, 07:58:50 AM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    Surely he is nowhere near the panel now?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on May 30, 2023, 08:14:50 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on May 29, 2023, 03:37:05 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2023, 02:04:10 PM
    Have they brought in new players to replace these guys or will they?
    Why do we seem to have this problem more than any other county?

    Not easy to sit on the bench, train flat out for 6 weeks and then see the same team picked week after week.

    I honestly think all those players who have left this year and in recent seasons would remain on the panel if those not involved in the 21 man match day player panel were allowed to play club football to keep their match sharpness up between county fixtures. Some other counties allow it so it must be a decision that is left up to each individual county

    Munroe got on v Monaghan and made the panel for Galway game and still left.

    If I was a county manager taking over next year I'd be meeting the county board looking changes. It has to effect the quality of panel so many players leaving once the club season starts. The options that I see are:

    1) Do the starred fixtures ahead of the ulster championship. If you commit to the panel at that point which is early April then you can't play starred games after that date (given the starred fixtures are meant to be based on number of county players it could be argued that this is fair).
    2) Delay the start of the club season until late June (it might involve some double fixtures over the summer to get games played and a seperate pre season club comp in May/June).
    3) Trial allowing the sub keeper and players not in a match day 26 on Thursday night being allowed to play in that weekend club games.

    You could do any of those options and players still huff when not on and clear off to America to play but it should definitely reduce players leaving. We are becoming a joke compared to other counties in this regard. Questions have to be asked of management as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone95 on May 30, 2023, 08:25:45 AM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2023, 02:04:10 PM
    Have they brought in new players to replace these guys or will they?
    Why do we seem to have this problem more than any other county?

    Agree with that, I don't think a change of management would even tempt those players to come back into the setup either. 

    Mark Bradley, R Brennan, J Munroe, T Mccann (albeit age), E McNabb + a few others all would add serious depth to the existing setup if they were still about - Tyrone's bench at the minute has no game changers with the exception of Ruairi Canavan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on May 30, 2023, 08:30:58 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on May 29, 2023, 09:56:50 PM
    I would not worry about opt outs. There is always willing players to take their place.

    You wouldn't worry about opt outs.  I would.  Mark Bradley kicked 2-7 at the weekend - Perhaps if our game is to defensive minded.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on May 30, 2023, 08:50:49 AM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on May 30, 2023, 08:30:58 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on May 29, 2023, 09:56:50 PM
    I would not worry about opt outs. There is always willing players to take their place.

    You wouldn't worry about opt outs.  I would.  Mark Bradley kicked 2-7 at the weekend - Perhaps if our game is to defensive minded.

    Lads from 1 - 20 know they have a chance of playing.

    Other lads from say, 21 -32 or whatever probably know where they stand.  Some realise it'd be better for them to play with the club.

    Managers should realise players from the panel to get game time I think.  Keep them happy and keep the clubs happy.

    Hard to train and train and know you've little chance of coming on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 30, 2023, 09:44:03 AM
    As a few of us were discussing, the fact that the League in Tír Eoghain directly determines your Championship status, unlike nearly every other county, weighs very heavily on fringe players' minds, leading to the leaching of those players back to the clubs, as we're seeing right now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on May 30, 2023, 12:42:32 PM
    Other counties don't have as many - prob because in other counties the club league is a series of glorified friendlies - in Derry for example it has no bearing on promotion or relegation
    This is all based on championship - as a result county players are not too bothered about it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on June 02, 2023, 06:02:38 AM
    No Tyrone team named?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 02, 2023, 08:43:29 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on June 02, 2023, 06:02:38 AM
    No Tyrone team named?

    It'll be named on the official gaa website around 1pm
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on June 02, 2023, 09:38:59 AM
    Morgan
    Mckernan mcnamee hampsey
    Quinn oneill harte
    Kennedy Kilpatrick
    Meyler oguz sludden
    Mccurry mattie darragh

    Quinn, Ruairi, Clarke, devlin, Richard, Kelly, mccarron, mcgeary, Mcgleenan, odonnell, shields
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaaGPT on June 02, 2023, 09:41:53 AM
    The bench is worrying
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 02, 2023, 09:47:43 AM
    No Ruairi Canavan?  McGeary there I suppose
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on June 02, 2023, 09:50:48 AM
    Quote from: smort on June 02, 2023, 09:38:59 AM
    Morgan
    Mckernan mcnamee hampsey
    Quinn oneill harte
    Kennedy Kilpatrick
    Meyler oguz sludden
    Mccurry mattie darragh

    Quinn, Ruairi, Clarke, devlin, Richard, Kelly, mccarron, mcgeary, Mcgleenan, odonnell, shields
    Another number 6 in Michael O'Neill this weekend.
    Sludden back into the starting team from nowhere.
    Only consitent lines we have is full back, full forward and the midfield pairing. The chopping changing of the half lines cannot be helping Tyrones progress.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 02, 2023, 09:57:28 AM
    Quote from: An Watcher on June 02, 2023, 09:47:43 AM
    No Ruairi Canavan?  McGeary there I suppose

    Canavan is there on the bench. Probably only him and McGleenan that could make an impact.

    Someone mentioned Conor Shields had left the panel but see him on the bench now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 02, 2023, 09:57:34 AM
    ...thats the most balanced looking starting 15 ive seen from us in a while. I like it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 02, 2023, 09:57:44 AM
    Quote from: An Watcher on June 02, 2023, 09:47:43 AM
    No Ruairi Canavan?  McGeary there I suppose

    He's listed as no. 17.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: superstar_ on June 02, 2023, 10:00:55 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on May 30, 2023, 07:58:50 AM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    Surely he is nowhere near the panel now?
    Richie back on the panel for this weekend. Very useful impactful sub to have.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 02, 2023, 10:03:06 AM
    David Mulgrew drops out of the 26
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 02, 2023, 10:05:17 AM
    Quote from: superstar_ on June 02, 2023, 10:00:55 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on May 30, 2023, 07:58:50 AM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 29, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
    Took a stab at latest panel (ages at start of 2023)

    32 - Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly
    31 - Niall Morgan, Ronan McNamee
    30 - Niall Sludden, Richie Donnelly

    29 - Darren McCurry
    28 - Padraig Hampsey, Kieran McGeary, Conor Meyler
    27 - Frank Burns, Cathal McShane

    26 - Michael O'Neill, Niall Kelly
    25 - Michael McKernan, Conn Kilpatrick, David Mulgrew
    24 - Brian Kennedy, Conor Shields, Dalaigh Jones

    23 - Aidan Clarke, Nathan McCarron, Peter Og McCartan
    22 - Darragh Canavan, Lorcan Quinn, Joe Oguz, Ryan Jones
    21 - Cormac Quinn, Rory Donnelly

    20 - Niall Devlin, Michael McGleenan
    19 - Ruairi Canavan, Conor Cush, Seanie O'Donnell, James Donaghy

    Don't think any of below are still involved?
    Padraig McNulty, Nathan Donnelly, Peter Teague, Steve Donaghy, Eoin Corry
    Surely he is nowhere near the panel now?
    Richie back on the panel for this weekend. Very useful impactful sub to have.

    Has he been injured? I assumed so as he is the best kick passer they have and good for long range scores
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on June 02, 2023, 10:26:46 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on June 02, 2023, 09:50:48 AM
    Quote from: smort on June 02, 2023, 09:38:59 AM
    Morgan
    Mckernan mcnamee hampsey
    Quinn oneill harte
    Kennedy Kilpatrick
    Meyler oguz sludden
    Mccurry mattie darragh

    Quinn, Ruairi, Clarke, devlin, Richard, Kelly, mccarron, mcgeary, Mcgleenan, odonnell, shields
    Another number 6 in Michael O'Neill this weekend.
    Sludden back into the starting team from nowhere.
    Only consitent lines we have is full back, full forward and the midfield pairing. The chopping changing of the half lines cannot be helping Tyrones progress.

    Could be a masterstroke. He's an intelligent player.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Coddfather on June 02, 2023, 10:43:29 AM
    Finally - a Pomeroyless half forward line...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on June 02, 2023, 10:48:29 AM
    Quote from: The Coddfather on June 02, 2023, 10:43:29 AM
    Finally - a Pomeroyless half forward line...

    Criticising Pomeroy means a warning from Admin on this board. Expect your post to be deleted.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 02, 2023, 12:18:26 PM
    Quote from: God14 on June 02, 2023, 09:57:34 AM
    ...thats the most balanced looking starting 15 ive seen from us in a while. I like it.

    Its the same players that have been playing the last 4 or 5 games now bar the enforced change with Burns. I don't see them playing drastically different positions to where or how they have been playing the last few games. The concerning thing is you could nearly name 13/14 of the team before its named seemingly no matter what happens in previous games.

    Sludden does offer a bit more of a scoring threat alright so that is a plus. You'd expect the usual couple of points from him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 02, 2023, 01:44:09 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 02, 2023, 12:18:26 PM
    Quote from: God14 on June 02, 2023, 09:57:34 AM
    ...thats the most balanced looking starting 15 ive seen from us in a while. I like it.

    Its the same players that have been playing the last 4 or 5 games now bar the enforced change with Burns. I don't see them playing drastically different positions to where or how they have been playing the last few games. The concerning thing is you could nearly name 13/14 of the team before its named seemingly no matter what happens in previous games.

    Sludden does offer a bit more of a scoring threat alright so that is a plus. You'd expect the usual couple of points from him.

    In the Monaghan game Oneill and & Burns took up fairly traditional 11 & 12 roles. Still cant make any sense of that, prior to throw in i assumed we were going ultra defensive but that wasnt the case at all. It did not work out.
    Meyler oguz sludden has a much better balance, plenty of workrate and mobility mixed with a bit of height (oguz) and some playmaking and scoring threat.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on June 02, 2023, 04:32:12 PM
    I've given up trying to understand who is playing where.
    Mattie rarely stays at FF but will often pop over a score from anywhere.
    K&K often rotate into FF.
    You will often see McKiernan in the FF line.
    I hope Oguz can start chipping in with a few scores.
    We certainly seem to create quite a lot of scoring chances.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on June 02, 2023, 10:40:54 PM
    Season  defining game tomorrow  I feel.  Lose and we are in big trouble. Win and should  finish  at least second  in group. Defeat is unthinkable if I'm honest.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 02, 2023, 10:49:39 PM
    Padraig Mcnulty scoring for Dungannon tonight. What's the story with him this year? Injury ruling him out of contention?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 02, 2023, 11:14:54 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 02, 2023, 10:40:54 PM
    Season  defining game tomorrow  I feel.  Lose and we are in big trouble. Win and should  finish  at least second  in group. Defeat is unthinkable if I'm honest.

    We'll beat Westmeath no matter what way tomorrow goes.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on June 02, 2023, 11:35:15 PM
    There's just nothing exciting or new.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 02, 2023, 11:51:10 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on June 02, 2023, 10:49:39 PM
    Padraig Mcnulty scoring for Dungannon tonight. What's the story with him this year? Injury ruling him out of contention?

    Thought he was still part of the squad.

    Scored a cracking goal by all accounts.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Coddfather on June 05, 2023, 08:10:33 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on June 02, 2023, 10:49:39 PM
    Padraig Mcnulty scoring for Dungannon tonight. What's the story with him this year? Injury ruling him out of contention?

    I'd say his lacklustre skill set is ruling him out of contention more than anything.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 05, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
    So whats the thoughts after the weekend? A badly needed win with the players who have been playing well again showing up again. Need a bit more line breaks for a few players with McKernan and Donnelly the main players capable of doing this. Mattie Donnelly a tyrone great.

    Hope to see 1 or 2 players in against Westmeath but a win is a must.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 05, 2023, 10:45:10 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on June 05, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
    So whats the thoughts after the weekend? A badly needed win with the players who have been playing well again showing up again. Need a bit more line breaks for a few players with McKernan and Donnelly the main players capable of doing this. Mattie Donnelly a tyrone great.

    Hope to see 1 or 2 players in against Westmeath but a win is a must.

    Good to get a win, but in truth we were not overly impressive. Top sides wont allow us to get so many short kick outs away. We did well with the short kick outs.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 05, 2023, 10:54:42 AM
    Hard to know yet, but no team has looked massively better than anyone else. Tyrone have shown in flashes against Kerry, Galway, Monaghan and Armagh that it's within them and we still have quality players.

    I think it was hard to cut loose with the way Armagh and the hot weather.
    Mattie really looks up for it this year and O'Neill looked solid which was good to see. Sludden and Oguz were pretty anonymous, but hopefully they'll come into form. I liked that Ruairí Canavan seemed to be full of confidence when he came on, even if not everything came off.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Coddfather on June 05, 2023, 10:56:56 AM
    Nobody is talking about Darren McCurry... he kicked some outrageously good scores on Saturday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 05, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
    Quote from: The Coddfather on June 05, 2023, 10:56:56 AM
    Nobody is talking about Darren McCurry... he kicked some outrageously good scores on Saturday.

    McCurry has become a top quality forward and was one of a few last year that played to top level
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on June 05, 2023, 11:54:15 AM
    We look to be going through the motions, doing the bare minimum to get the win.
    At half time I said I bet you we will sit back now and try to keep them at arms length. Pick off the odd score but not really go for it. Game management.
    Some good performances around the field I thought from McKernan, Hampsey, Mattie, Meyler and D&D up top.
    Was a bit worried how often our defenders let Armagh runners in for goals.
    Great run and one two for Peteys goal chance but disappointed we don't create more chances like these or use the odd high ball into Kilpatrick more. Thought he took his point well from the mark.
    Westmeath could really put it up to us.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 05, 2023, 11:59:27 AM
    I'm worried about westmeath myself.  It's do or die for them at this stage.  Has a time and venue been announced for this yet?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 05, 2023, 12:42:55 PM
    Ruari is not the answer (yet) but the experience he's gaining now is crucial.
    The improvement in Daragh at IC level has been great.
    At times it seems like nobody wants to make the attacking burst through and pass it off instead. Fair play to McKernan (and a couple of others) for constantly stepping up in this regard but more is needed from rest of team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 09, 2023, 02:13:50 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on June 05, 2023, 11:54:15 AM
    We look to be going through the motions, doing the bare minimum to get the win.
    At half time I said I bet you we will sit back now and try to keep them at arms length. Pick off the odd score but not really go for it. Game management.
    Some good performances around the field I thought from McKernan, Hampsey, Mattie, Meyler and D&D up top.
    Was a bit worried how often our defenders let Armagh runners in for goals.
    Great run and one two for Peteys goal chance but disappointed we don't create more chances like these or use the odd high ball into Kilpatrick more. Thought he took his point well from the mark.
    Westmeath could really put it up to us.
    It could well come down to hunger and experience.Westmeath possibly have the hunger, whereas they showed their inexperience against Armagh, otherwise they would have knocked out the orange men
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 09, 2023, 02:52:56 PM
    There has been no mention of Ronan McNamee but it looks like the full back line has tightened up alot since he returned.  Also, the form of Hampsey and McKernan has improved. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 09, 2023, 03:55:52 PM
    Band of brothers full back line...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 09, 2023, 05:22:09 PM
    I wouldn't swap that our 1-2-3-4 for any other in the country.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 09, 2023, 06:55:58 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 09, 2023, 05:22:09 PM
    I wouldn't swap that our 1-2-3-4 for any other in the country.
    Absolutely. Class acts every one of them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on June 12, 2023, 02:58:34 PM
    Hearing there is another squad departure and injury casualty in the Tyrone set up
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 12, 2023, 03:04:18 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2023, 02:58:34 PM
    Hearing there is another squad departure and injury casualty in the Tyrone set up

    who?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 12, 2023, 03:33:37 PM
    Who's this meant to be? The squad is thin enough without losing players. Given there is only 2 starred games left you'd imagine anyone leaving now after 6/7 months training is for America (I assume the deadline hasn't passed).
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaaGPT on June 12, 2023, 03:55:52 PM
    Deadline is the end of june
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jimbop on June 12, 2023, 06:10:51 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2023, 02:58:34 PM
    Hearing there is another squad departure and injury casualty in the Tyrone set up
    Why so secretive...it's an anonymous forum ffs!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on June 13, 2023, 06:55:57 AM
    Just thought you all need to know that I heard a rumour from the Tyrone panel. I'm not naming any names but I think what's important here is that you all know that I heard it and you didn't.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 13, 2023, 08:21:48 AM
    Quote from: Snapchap on June 13, 2023, 06:55:57 AM
    Just thought you all need to know that I heard a rumour from the Tyrone panel. I'm not naming any names but I think what's important here is that you all know that I heard it and you didn't.

    And then when I do hear the rumour tell you that I heard that one months ago. Its the way the GAA rumour mill works.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on June 13, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
    Conor Shields has reportedly left the panel which is a strange one. I believe he was on the bench for the last 2 games so a bit of a surprise departure. Am I correct in saying that if you are part of a match day 26, that rules you out of transferring to the US? Is that correct?

    The injury is Conor Cush. Has been out for 8/10 weeks with a stress fracture in his foot and hurt it again in U20 final last week in his first game back  - now possibly requires surgery and likely out for the season

    I know they are not key men but the panel numbers must be low 30's at best currently. Surely one or two need called up to insure we can have competitive in house games.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on June 13, 2023, 09:31:23 AM
    Any truth McCurry is injured?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on June 13, 2023, 03:56:46 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on June 13, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
    Conor Shields has reportedly left the panel which is a strange one. I believe he was on the bench for the last 2 games so a bit of a surprise departure. Am I correct in saying that if you are part of a match day 26, that rules you out of transferring to the US? Is that correct?

    The injury is Conor Cush. Has been out for 8/10 weeks with a stress fracture in his foot and hurt it again in U20 final last week in his first game back  - now possibly requires surgery and likely out for the season

    I know they are not key men but the panel numbers must be low 30's at best currently. Surely one or two need called up to insure we can have competitive in house games.
    Forgot he was on the panel

    Long time since Cush appeared as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 14, 2023, 11:07:50 AM
    I think we need to look at the release players back to their clubs more next year.
    The days of sitting on a county training  panel for more than a year or two seem to over. Fair play to those who stay in.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeGoAgain on June 14, 2023, 01:13:16 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on June 14, 2023, 11:07:50 AM
    I think we need to look at the release players back to their clubs more next year.
    The days of sitting on a county training  panel for more than a year or two seem to over. Fair play to those who stay in.

    Down seem to be following this approach this year releasing players named outside of the first 18 to play for their clubs. Seems to have been mixed success for them. A few players have picked up knocks but some players seem to have played well and has meant they have got minutes for the county that they may not have got previously. Hopefully Tyrone will adopt a similar approach but I would be very surprised if they do
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 14, 2023, 01:38:04 PM
    Quote from: WeGoAgain on June 14, 2023, 01:13:16 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on June 14, 2023, 11:07:50 AM
    I think we need to look at the release players back to their clubs more next year.
    The days of sitting on a county training  panel for more than a year or two seem to over. Fair play to those who stay in.

    Down seem to be following this approach this year releasing players named outside of the first 18 to play for their clubs. Seems to have been mixed success for them. A few players have picked up knocks but some players seem to have played well and has meant they have got minutes for the county that they may not have got previously. Hopefully Tyrone will adopt a similar approach but I would be very surprised if they do

    yeah seen that. How did they come to the figure of 18 though?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeGoAgain on June 14, 2023, 01:50:06 PM
    Quote from: God14 on June 14, 2023, 01:38:04 PM
    Quote from: WeGoAgain on June 14, 2023, 01:13:16 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on June 14, 2023, 11:07:50 AM
    I think we need to look at the release players back to their clubs more next year.
    The days of sitting on a county training  panel for more than a year or two seem to over. Fair play to those who stay in.

    Down seem to be following this approach this year releasing players named outside of the first 18 to play for their clubs. Seems to have been mixed success for them. A few players have picked up knocks but some players seem to have played well and has meant they have got minutes for the county that they may not have got previously. Hopefully Tyrone will adopt a similar approach but I would be very surprised if they do

    yeah seen that. How did they come to the figure of 18 though?

    Surely the county management would have a good idea of what the first 15 would be. There may be one or two positions that a couple of people could be competing for. With Tyrone if everyone was fully fit you could be fairly confident of naming 18 players that would be likely to play. Hasn't changed an awful lot in the last few years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 14, 2023, 02:01:24 PM
    It's a bit easier for Down in the second tier. I don't think any top county would adopt the approach. But there definitely is a strong case to release players who don't make the 26 for a match for that weekends games.

    Or if the county had a Saturday game let any that played less than 20 minutes play a league game on the Sunday (assuming some could be played on a Sunday).
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 14, 2023, 02:01:54 PM
    Quote from: WeGoAgain on June 14, 2023, 01:50:06 PM
    Quote from: God14 on June 14, 2023, 01:38:04 PM
    Quote from: WeGoAgain on June 14, 2023, 01:13:16 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on June 14, 2023, 11:07:50 AM
    I think we need to look at the release players back to their clubs more next year.
    The days of sitting on a county training  panel for more than a year or two seem to over. Fair play to those who stay in.

    Down seem to be following this approach this year releasing players named outside of the first 18 to play for their clubs. Seems to have been mixed success for them. A few players have picked up knocks but some players seem to have played well and has meant they have got minutes for the county that they may not have got previously. Hopefully Tyrone will adopt a similar approach but I would be very surprised if they do

    yeah seen that. How did they come to the figure of 18 though?

    Surely the county management would have a good idea of what the first 15 would be. There may be one or two positions that a couple of people could be competing for. With Tyrone if everyone was fully fit you could be fairly confident of naming 18 players that would be likely to play. Hasn't changed an awful lot in the last few years

    fair enough, i was just wondering why 18 - as in not 17 or 19.

    yeah i think its a good enough system. Your first 15 players, and the 3 most likely to come on
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on June 14, 2023, 03:44:22 PM
    It would completely balls up the starred system for club games though.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeGoAgain on June 14, 2023, 03:58:50 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 14, 2023, 03:44:22 PM
    It would completely balls up the starred system for club games though.

    Maybe but so does the current approach of players leaving the county panel as soon as the club league starts
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on June 14, 2023, 04:19:58 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 14, 2023, 03:44:22 PM
    It would completely balls up the starred system for club games though.

    Says the man whose club benefit greatly from the starred system, due to no county players
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on June 14, 2023, 06:17:47 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on June 14, 2023, 04:19:58 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 14, 2023, 03:44:22 PM
    It would completely balls up the starred system for club games though.

    Says the man whose club benefit greatly from the starred system, due to no county players

    I'm not arguing either for or against just stating facts that the current starred system will be difficult to maintain if there were different county players available week to week dependent on who would be released for club games.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 16, 2023, 11:04:31 AM
    A start for Ruairi Canavan at number 12 on Sunday. Good to see it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Rois on June 16, 2023, 11:23:41 AM
    Club Tyrone business breakfast with Peter Canavan and others on this day next week at Garvaghey - all welcome (no charge). RSVP to club.tyrone@gaa.ie
    See Club Tyrone GAA LinkedIn page for more details.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 16, 2023, 12:18:57 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 16, 2023, 11:04:31 AM
    A start for Ruairi Canavan at number 12 on Sunday. Good to see it.

    Great to see. I know the numbers on jerseys mean nothing these days, but where do you think he will play? When you compare this line out to the one that took on Monaghan in the championship a few weeks ago, there does feel to be more of a scoring threat now.  Aidan Clarke makes the bench, in for Shields. Good to see
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on June 16, 2023, 12:31:50 PM
    Yeah delighted to see RC finally get a start and it will be interesting to see does he hit the frees now as well?
    I'd say that's our strongest 15 at the minute but I'd be worried at the lack of firepower from the bench. I wonder are they going to try to get a big lead in the first half and then sit back and manage the game second half with one eye on next week?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 16, 2023, 12:42:28 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on June 16, 2023, 12:31:50 PM
    Yeah delighted to see RC finally get a start and it will be interesting to see does he hit the frees now as well?
    I'd say that's our strongest 15 at the minute but I'd be worried at the lack of firepower from the bench. I wonder are they going to try to get a big lead in the first half and then sit back and manage the game second half with one eye on next week?

    Westmeath have performed very well in their first two games particularly in the first half. If Tyrone take their eye of the ball at all they could be in for a very tough match.

    You'd like to get some kind of lead in the first half and pull away in the second but there is no guarantee. If did get ahead they will be keeping a close eye on Armagh match as scoring difference could come into play for top spot if Armagh won.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on June 16, 2023, 02:01:23 PM
    Quote from: God14 on June 16, 2023, 12:18:57 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 16, 2023, 11:04:31 AM
    A start for Ruairi Canavan at number 12 on Sunday. Good to see it.

    Great to see. I know the numbers on jerseys mean nothing these days, but where do you think he will play? When you compare this line out to the one that took on Monaghan in the championship a few weeks ago, there does feel to be more of a scoring threat now.  Aidan Clarke makes the bench, in for Shields. Good to see
    Oguz, meyler and R Canavan added to the forward line in place of P Harte, O'Neill and burns from Monaghan game.  Is that really much of an improved scoring threat?  Oguz and Meyler aren't noted as scoring forwards and Canavan is untested at this level. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 16, 2023, 02:58:10 PM
    Quote from: statto on June 16, 2023, 02:01:23 PM
    Quote from: God14 on June 16, 2023, 12:18:57 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 16, 2023, 11:04:31 AM
    A start for Ruairi Canavan at number 12 on Sunday. Good to see it.

    Great to see. I know the numbers on jerseys mean nothing these days, but where do you think he will play? When you compare this line out to the one that took on Monaghan in the championship a few weeks ago, there does feel to be more of a scoring threat now.  Aidan Clarke makes the bench, in for Shields. Good to see
    Oguz, meyler and R Canavan added to the forward line in place of P Harte, O'Neill and burns from Monaghan game.  Is that really much of an improved scoring threat?  Oguz and Meyler aren't noted as scoring forwards and Canavan is untested at this level.

    They can't be any worse that's for sure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaaGPT on June 16, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
    Unpopular opinion or does anyone else think you could pick a better 15 outside the county panel that would beat this team
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on June 16, 2023, 03:52:28 PM
    Apart from maybe Bradley and Donaghy
    I can't think off too many others - that would get in ahead
    Certainly not 15 of them
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 16, 2023, 03:54:35 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on June 16, 2023, 03:52:28 PM
    Apart from maybe Bradley and Donaghy
    I can't think off too many others - that would get in ahead
    Certainly not 15 of them

    Tiernan McCann and Rory Brennan would be useful. But could be squad options and don't blame them it it's not what they after
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 16, 2023, 03:55:55 PM
    Quote from: GaaGPT on June 16, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
    Unpopular opinion or does anyone else think you could pick a better 15 outside the county panel that would beat this team

    No i dont think thats the case. Eleven of this starting 15 also started the all ireland final in 2021. The four newcomers are 4 Errigal men, who quite literally lit up the Senior club championship last year. This is a very strong side.


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 16, 2023, 03:58:21 PM
    Quote from: GaaGPT on June 16, 2023, 03:42:14 PM
    Unpopular opinion or does anyone else think you could pick a better 15 outside the county panel that would beat this team

    Go for it. . .
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaaGPT on June 16, 2023, 04:08:20 PM
    Maybe abit of exaggeration there lol. Notable that alot of these players have been on panel before. But this is prob the best 15 outside of the panel (put this together pretty quickly so may be obv picks i missed out on). Alot of these players a definitely better than current our squad players

    1 - Mickey O'Neil
    2 - Rory Brennan
    3 - Cormac Munroe
    4 - Lorcan Kilpatrick
    5 - Johnny Munroe
    6 - Michael Cassidy
    7 - Tiernan Mc Cann
    8 - Padraigh McNulty
    9 - Tony Devine
    10 - Donaghey
    11 - Skeet
    12 - Emmet McNabb
    13 - Brennan
    14 - Dumbo
    15 - Sparky
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 16, 2023, 04:42:20 PM
    Quote from: GaaGPT on June 16, 2023, 04:08:20 PM
    Maybe abit of exaggeration there lol. Notable that alot of these players have been on panel before. But this is prob the best 15 outside of the panel (put this together pretty quickly so may be obv picks i missed out on). Alot of these players a definitely better than current our squad players

    1 - Mickey O'Neil
    2 - Rory Brennan
    3 - Cormac Munroe
    4 - Lorcan Kilpatrick
    5 - Johnny Munroe
    6 - Michael Cassidy
    7 - Tiernan Mc Cann
    8 - Padraigh McNulty
    9 - Tony Devine
    10 - Donaghey
    11 - Skeet
    12 - Emmet McNabb
    13 - Brennan
    14 - Dumbo
    15 - Sparky

    To me I see lots of squad players there. Peter Teague has as well but maybe some involvement in county
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 16, 2023, 10:04:44 PM
    Anyone that thinks that 15 gets near to beating the starting 15 has serious issues or extreme lack of knockledge.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 17, 2023, 01:42:44 PM
    Agree Santa. I admit half back and forward lines need work, I wouldn't swap our full back, full forward or midfield lines with anyone. I have a good feeling this year that we are getting ready to fire...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 18, 2023, 03:44:51 PM
    No McCurry today. Aidan Clarke in for him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on June 18, 2023, 05:19:01 PM
    Ref doing his best for WM today
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on June 18, 2023, 05:47:11 PM
    Have to honestly say this as poor a setup we've had in the last 30yrs.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 18, 2023, 05:52:21 PM
    Can we ever have more than one forward play well at a time? It's either McCurry or D Canavan. Some basic skills very poor, it's all handpasses and sidesteps to get away with 8 steps. Tackling was good today but ref punished us for being the favourite.

    All things considered we should probably be out tonight and licking our wounds until 2024.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 18, 2023, 05:57:12 PM
    Agree with the last 2 posts. Very poor today even considering how the ref kept Westmeath in it. Said it earlier in the year, first god team is knocking tyrone out. No lessons learnt from last year it seems.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on June 18, 2023, 06:05:26 PM
    Too many poor players. Don't know what O'Neill brings to this team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on June 18, 2023, 06:07:36 PM
    Yep. The ability, or desire, to stand on the neck of teams seems strangely absent. Possession football ruling each game. Safety first.

    Nothing new, nothing exciting.

    Ref left Tyrone being a last minute free away from watching the rest of the Championship. I've heard of levelling up for underdogs but he was frankly ridiculous today.

    Westmeath were getting frees out for what Tyrone were getting frees against. Someone needs to sort refereeing standards out.

    That being said, surely that 15 are capable of more......
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 18, 2023, 06:10:10 PM
    There hasn't been a performance of note in the championship in 2 years.  I thought today would have been 2 victories on the trot heading into a home tie pre quarter final.  Alas, it wasn't to be against a division 3 team.  We coukd do an armagh and stick with the management for years but I think it's time fir a change after this season
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: barelegs on June 18, 2023, 06:16:03 PM
    Strangely might have an easier game as third seed than second. Away to Kildare, Cork or Donegal as opposed to home to Mayo, Roscommon or Monaghan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on June 18, 2023, 06:17:41 PM
    Quote from: barelegs on June 18, 2023, 06:16:03 PM
    Strangely might have an easier game as third seed than second. Away to Kildare, Cork or Donegal as opposed to home to Mayo, Roscommon or Monaghan.

    Away to DnG would not be good.....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 18, 2023, 06:19:20 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on June 18, 2023, 06:05:26 PM
    Too many poor players. Don't know what O'Neill brings to this team.

    Don't see it at all with Oneill. Clarke in out of nowhere but thought he was okay. If can't get the ball to canavan nothing exciting is going to happen. Subbing of key players with 10 mins to go when game is in the balance doesn't seen right but maybe they have nothing left.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 18, 2023, 06:19:48 PM
    Agree that the 2nd place teams are weaker than the 3rd place on paper but with this Tyrone team they could struggle no matter who it is. You would have fancied Heslin to kick that normally. Shouldn't have been in that position where we were relying on him to miss.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 18, 2023, 07:08:26 PM
    Definitely seems to be an inability to put teams away.

    Though, I wouldn't read too much into Tyrone's chances from this game. Every team has had one or two bad games and Westmeath have run each team close in the group. The reffing also hugely unbalanced this game. Who is significantly better than Tyrone and who couldn't Tyrone beat on their day if they click into gear (big if)?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on June 18, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
    What was the last free given for?

    Cooper hasn't a clue though, basically said that Tyrone are constantly relying on the Canavans and McCurry has been poor for a while. Strange comments given it was Ruairi Canavans full debut and McCurry is brilliant more often than not. Why was he missing today?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 18, 2023, 07:57:32 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
    What was the last free given for?

    Cooper hasn't a clue though, basically said that Tyrone are constantly relying on the Canavans and McCurry has been poor for a while. Strange comments given it was Ruairi Canavans full debut and McCurry is brilliant more often than not. Why was he missing today?

    Thought it was touched on the ground but it was panic stations at the end. Morgan should have booted it down the field instead of putting the full back line under pressure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on June 18, 2023, 08:02:18 PM
    Second match in a row that has happened at it the end.

    Really lacking leadership from 6-11.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 18, 2023, 08:03:24 PM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
    What was the last free given for?

    Cooper hasn't a clue though, basically said that Tyrone are constantly relying on the Canavans and McCurry has been poor for a while. Strange comments given it was Ruairi Canavans full debut and McCurry is brilliant more often than not. Why was he missing today?

    McCurry has consistently been our best player in the Logan/Dooher years. Cooper talking through his hole there. Hopefully it's nothing serious.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 18, 2023, 09:03:07 PM
    Tyrone are relying on Canavan and McCurry a lot. But how many teams have players like them to rely on? And Kerry, how good would they be without Clifford?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: giveherlong on June 18, 2023, 09:11:38 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on June 18, 2023, 09:03:07 PM
    Tyrone are relying on Canavan and McCurry a lot. But how many teams have players like them to rely on? And Kerry, how good would they be without Clifford?
    Serious question, if we got most things right further back, could the 2 Canavans + McCurry (fit) take us to an All Ireland semi final or Final? I wouldn't bet against it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 18, 2023, 09:19:03 PM
    Staggering tactical choices by management, ie constantly going man on man, devoid of a sweeper at the back.

    We are always wide open on the break.

    The first decent side we meet will knock us out

    Sad, as we have better footballers than Derry and Armagh but are playing such a naive gameplan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2023, 09:27:56 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on June 18, 2023, 08:02:18 PM
    Second match in a row that has happened at it the end.

    Really lacking leadership from 6-11.

    The decision to take off key men late on and replace them with inexperienced players, however tired the old heads were, was crazy. The game was effectively  won yet we end up hanging on.

    There is a very good team there if set up correctly but unfortunately we've been a bit of a mess since 2021. Logan and Dooher did an amazing job to deliver that title but they haven't been able to build on it and it's hard to see what the plan is. A change after the summer would probably make sense.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on June 18, 2023, 09:28:45 PM
    All tyrone are doing now is ripping off the fans on another day out. If they had any manners they'd bow out.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TheModernGame on June 18, 2023, 09:41:26 PM
    Have Tyrone won a match this year when Mattie Donnelly hasn't played the full 70 minutes?

    As a supporter I ask what has been learnt and implemented tactically in regards to game management since the Monaghan game. It doesn't look like anything.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on June 18, 2023, 09:59:26 PM
    We should know by now you write off this Tyrone team at your peril

    They can always pull out a big performance, they haven't been the underdog in many games this year of note bar Galway and look how they done in that game

    I would have to agree any late stage appearance looks unlikely but would you rather be Armagh ?

    They've the all Ireland won ffs
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on June 18, 2023, 09:59:33 PM
    The soundbites in The Irish News really bugged me this week.

    Players who have only been in the squad 5 mins talking about the team turning the corner etc. Not their fault if that's who they're putting forward to face the hacks but pure bullshit.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on June 18, 2023, 10:25:59 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on June 18, 2023, 08:02:18 PM
    Second match in a row that has happened at it the end.

    Really lacking leadership from 6-11.

    There was a slip too that nearly let another run through on goal like the Armagh match.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on June 18, 2023, 11:09:59 PM
    Still think Tyrone need a big athletic FF. There was an interesting article (Irish News maybe?) about how McShane and McCurry can't play together as they make similar runs etc , but surely that's what good coaching sorts out?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Silver hill on June 18, 2023, 11:32:18 PM
    Quote from: God14 on June 18, 2023, 09:19:03 PM
    Staggering tactical choices by management, ie constantly going man on man, devoid of a sweeper at the back.

    We are always wide open on the break.

    The first decent side we meet will knock us out

    Sad, as we have better footballers than Derry and Armagh but are playing such a naive gameplan.

    Oh yeah....for sure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on June 19, 2023, 06:22:45 AM
    Did Tyrone twitter have them down as losing the match yesterday?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on June 19, 2023, 06:40:28 AM
    If the ref does his job then Tyrone win by 7-8 points in that game.
    They were 3 up with eight mins to go and had a stonewall pen and black card turned away
    Not to mention about 4 dubious frees to keep Westmeath in it.
    How to hell did Daragh Canavan's man not get booked before that pen incident.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 19, 2023, 06:41:30 AM
    It did
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 19, 2023, 06:51:22 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on June 19, 2023, 06:40:28 AM
    If the ref does his job then Tyrone win by 7-8 points in that game.
    They were 3 up with eight mins to go and had a stonewall pen and black card turned away
    Not to mention about 4 dubious frees to keep Westmeath in it.
    How to hell did Daragh Canavan's man not get booked before that pen incident.

    Get a penalty, score it and they're within a kick of the ball of topp8ng the group.  Any word on mccurry?  Hopefully he's OK for next week
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 07:01:34 AM
    It wasn't a penalty lads.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on June 19, 2023, 07:25:44 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 07:01:34 AM
    It wasn't a penalty lads.
    The foul "denying a goal scoring opportunity" does not have to occur in the rectangle to iresult in a penalty.

    Are you saying Kilpatrick wasn't denied a goal scoring opportunity.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 08:00:14 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2023, 07:25:44 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 07:01:34 AM
    It wasn't a penalty lads.
    The foul "denying a goal scoring opportunity" does not have to occur in the rectangle to iresult in a penalty.

    Are you saying Kilpatrick wasn't denied a goal scoring opportunity.

    It has to be a black card offence. Which one was it?

    I've said it on another thread it was cynical as hell but under the current rules the referee was right. It's a failure of the rules in that particular situation.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on June 19, 2023, 08:13:44 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 08:00:14 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on June 19, 2023, 07:25:44 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 07:01:34 AM
    It wasn't a penalty lads.
    The foul "denying a goal scoring opportunity" does not have to occur in the rectangle to iresult in a penalty.

    Are you saying Kilpatrick wasn't denied a goal scoring opportunity.

    It has to be a black card offence. Which one was it?

    I've said it on another thread it was cynical as hell but under the current rules the referee was right. It's a failure of the rules in that particular situation.

    I would have said it was "to deliberately pull down an opponent". He caught Kilpatrick round the shoulder and brought him to the ground.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 08:18:32 AM
    That's not a pull down as per the black card rule. If they want to go down the road of giving a penalty for fouls outside the square then they need to update the rule to allow for fouls like yesterday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 19, 2023, 09:47:22 AM
    37 different players have played for Tyrone this year. Something not right there
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on June 19, 2023, 09:50:24 AM
    battle royal now next weekend...

    hard to see anything but the campaign coming to an end within the next 2 weeks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 09:53:12 AM
    I think we can sneak the win in Ballybofey but Donegal will definitely be fancying their chances after seeing yesterday. After that then who knows. As usual we are mixing the good with the bad during games.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on June 19, 2023, 09:53:48 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 08:18:32 AM
    That's not a pull down as per the black card rule. If they want to go down the road of giving a penalty for fouls outside the square then they need to update the rule to allow for fouls like yesterday.
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 19, 2023, 08:21:00 AM
    That's not a deliberate pull down. It was a high tackle. That's not a black card anywhere else on the field.

    The problem is the rule.
    The other problem is that the ref appears to be in a tiny minority that actually knows the rule.

    Every day is a school day.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 19, 2023, 09:55:28 AM
    Quote from: Onthe40 on June 19, 2023, 09:50:24 AM
    battle royal now next weekend...

    hard to see anything but the campaign coming to an end within the next 2 weeks

    Donegal are up and running again and it's hard to see a Tyrone win tbh.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on June 19, 2023, 10:15:43 AM
    Donegal could be the Ulster team to get the furtherest in the Championship.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 19, 2023, 10:19:31 AM
    Think Donegal will hammer tyrone. We have been very poor this last 2 years and something needs to change.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on June 19, 2023, 10:20:14 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 19, 2023, 10:19:31 AM
    Think Donegal will hammer tyrone. We have been very poor this last 2 years and something needs to change.

    Donegal won't hammer anyone.

    Tyrone by 4.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2023, 10:36:35 AM
    Like all season there was some good elements to yesterday and nice passages of play but poor for periods as well which won't cut it at this level.

    Management are going to have to realise that what we are doing isn't working. Going to have to put in place a system like the Kerry league game and tighten up the defence. Also have to get a new plan on opposition kickouts. There is zero point in half pressing and leaving some men free. It either has to be a full press with Morgan out and making sure we are at least competing for possession or else concede the kickout. There is no point having 5/6 men pressed up the pitch with one opposition player getting easily free and then being out of position.

    We can certainly beat Donegal but it's going to take an increase in intensity and desire and a change or two. We also have to look at how we are using the bench. Too many players coming on making too little impact and weakening the team.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 19, 2023, 10:39:47 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2023, 10:36:35 AM
    Like all season there was some good elements to yesterday and nice passages of play but poor for periods as well which won't cut it at this level.

    Management are going to have to realise that what we are doing isn't working. Going to have to put in place a system like the Kerry league game and tighten up the defence. Also have to get a new plan on opposition kickouts. There is zero point in half pressing and leaving some men free. It either has to be a full press with Morgan out and making sure we are at least competing for possession or else concede the kickout. There is no point having 5/6 men pressed up the pitch with one opposition player getting easily free and then being out of position.

    We can certainly beat Donegal but it's going to take an increase in intensity and desire and a change or two. We also have to look at how we are using the bench. Too many players coming on making too little impact and weakening the team.

    Conceded 1-18 against Monaghan. Conceded 18 points again yesterday. No lessons learnt.  Its been clear for quite some time, that this management duo are unable to set us up defensively.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 19, 2023, 12:42:03 PM
    What do this weekend? Burns and mcgeary to return? Play canavans and mccurry?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on June 19, 2023, 01:46:00 PM
    Burns played well when he came on I thought. We need to seriously sort out our press on kick outs. Westmeath continuously had an easy option on the 45 to collect thr ball under very little pressure. We could be destroyed off Patton's kick outs as we're not playing a sweeper.

    Still think we'll beat Donegal, i was at the monaghan and donegal game and Monaghan were very poor and still should have beat them. Plua McCurry was warming up all game in front of me and looked to be moving well enough so hopefully should be good for this weekend.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on June 19, 2023, 02:28:57 PM
    McCurry had flu by all accounts
    So should be back in good order
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: The Trap on June 19, 2023, 02:38:50 PM
    No more tinkering.....play the best team. Donegal have improved so this is a 50/50 game. Maybe an Ulster Derby is what Tyrone need to spark a performance:
    Morgan
    Mckernan
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    Quinn
    Burns
    Harte
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Mcgeary
    Daragh C
    Meyler
    McCurry
    Donnelly
    Ruairi C
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on June 19, 2023, 02:49:23 PM
    Obv we don't see what's going on in training - it's a selfish point of view here from a fans perspective - but we have a monster of a man in mcgleenan on the bench, why is he on the panel if we won't use him?

    Jesus he's a colossus, in at 14 with one or both canavans and McCurry round him for the break, you'd imagine it's worth a try.

    Would definitely give other teams something to think about. If it didn't work he could always be subbed off and revert to type.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 19, 2023, 03:01:50 PM
    R Canavan is below Daragh and McCurry in the pecking order.
    McGleenan is below Mattie, Kennedy, Kilpatrick and Oguz.

    I have yet to see any evidence that they should be starting. Believe the management can bring these young players through in their own time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on June 19, 2023, 03:20:01 PM
    Saturday was really poor (Bar DC) - it was still a game where Tyrone looked to be holding back (not starting McCurry), but not seeing a 4 point advantage against a mid table division 3 side is pathetic, given the supposed standards they are holding themselves too, and I still think they are not as well conditioned as they have been in the past.

    Ballybofey is where the excuses stop and everything with management, backroom and players will be laid bare and if they don't get a result against a basket case of a county then it will put us back a fair bit given the standards of the last two years, and Ballybofey could be the graveyard of the Tyrone management again. The one thing I spotted from the coverage was Doohers body language, hands in the pockets and arse against the railing - either fed up or nonchalant about the result, but only a few snapshots in coverage so could mean nothing.

    Not a clue what to expect to be honest.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 19, 2023, 03:31:26 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on June 19, 2023, 03:20:01 PM
    Saturday was really poor (Bar DC) - it was still a game where Tyrone looked to be holding back (not starting McCurry), but not seeing a 4 point advantage against a mid table division 3 side is pathetic, given the supposed standards they are holding themselves too, and I still think they are not as well conditioned as they have been in the past.

    Ballybofey is where the excuses stop and everything with management, backroom and players will be laid bare and if they don't get a result against a basket case of a county then it will put us back a fair bit given the standards of the last two years, and Ballybofey could be the graveyard of the Tyrone management again. The one thing I spotted from the coverage was Doohers body language, hands in the pockets and arse against the railing - either fed up or nonchalant about the result, but only a few snapshots in coverage so could mean nothing.

    Not a clue what to expect to be honest.

    That's just dooher. You see him at it every game which can be a bit frustrating. Need a big target man to go alongside McCurry or darragh. Mcshane is ideal for that role.

    Missing a few direct runners like mckenna did in 2021. This side way crap needs to stop. Run directly at defences and chances are you will get a score or get fouled for a free. No idea for the life of me why we don't do this.

    Don't think we are holding anything back or trying not to show our hand, I thought that in 2022 and turns out we were just shit. Think it's the same this time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 03:33:18 PM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 19, 2023, 02:49:23 PM
    Obv we don't see what's going on in training - it's a selfish point of view here from a fans perspective - but we have a monster of a man in mcgleenan on the bench, why is he on the panel if we won't use him?

    Jesus he's a colossus, in at 14 with one or both canavans and McCurry round him for the break, you'd imagine it's worth a try.

    Would definitely give other teams something to think about. If it didn't work he could always be subbed off and revert to type.

    Mc gleenan hasn't dominated in any club game I've seen him in as of yet, why would he be able to do it in county?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on June 19, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 03:33:18 PM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 19, 2023, 02:49:23 PM
    Obv we don't see what's going on in training - it's a selfish point of view here from a fans perspective - but we have a monster of a man in mcgleenan on the bench, why is he on the panel if we won't use him?

    Jesus he's a colossus, in at 14 with one or both canavans and McCurry round him for the break, you'd imagine it's worth a try.

    Would definitely give other teams something to think about. If it didn't work he could always be subbed off and revert to type.

    Mc gleenan hasn't dominated in any club game I've seen him in as of yet, why would he be able to do it in county?

    When did you see him playing for the club?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on June 19, 2023, 09:43:48 PM
    Anyone else seeing nothing in Quinn? Think he's a liability defensively and he's not great going forward. Didn't see the sense in starting Clarke either, sort of like they were expecting an easy win.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 19, 2023, 09:56:18 PM
    I don't particularly rate Quinn either. A solid enough player but doesn't really stand out as making any real impact in games. Niall Devlin started most league games and now seems to be getting just a few minutes here and there now. U20s from last year not making any impact just yet bar R Canavan I suppose you could argue. They're all still young yet.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on June 20, 2023, 06:28:41 AM
    Westmeath should get a bit of credit too
    They were the better team v Armagh and it took a lucky goal in 67th min for Armagh to win they lead the whole game, they were the better team v Galway and lead until they got the sending off. They won the Tailitan cup easily last year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 20, 2023, 07:50:25 AM
    Yeah I do think part of the performance was down to a bit of Tyrone complacency and Westmeath being much better than people have given them credit for. Not helped by some harsh refereeing decisions. Still the management and squad need to take a good look at themselves this week. There is still plenty of capability in the squad but the standards for the past two years have not been good enough for large chunks of it. If they deliver another performance like Sunday again this year it's season over.

    None of the boys that have been brought in this year have really nailed down their jersey. You could well be as well going back to more or less the All Ireland team with Darragh Canavan in for McKenna in the hope that the likes of Sludden and McGeary can find form. I did think McGeary had an impact coming on the other day and looked keen.

    Any word on McShane? Could be doing with him as an option from the bench but time is running out.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on June 20, 2023, 08:26:59 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on June 19, 2023, 09:43:48 PM
    Anyone else seeing nothing in Quinn? Think he's a liability defensively and he's not great going forward. Didn't see the sense in starting Clarke either, sort of like they were expecting an easy win.

    I would actually say he's one of the very few positives from the last two years.

    He's the only young/new player we've brought through that has actually nailed a starting place. Outside of that, our team is essentially unchanged over the last few years. That in itself is a serious failure!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on June 20, 2023, 08:41:58 AM
    McShane wasn't tagged out on Sunday. No word at all whats up with him but I'd be highly doubtful he'll be seen for however long we've left in the championship.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on June 20, 2023, 09:05:55 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on June 19, 2023, 03:31:26 PM
    Quote from: Scoring Zone on June 19, 2023, 03:20:01 PM
    Saturday was really poor (Bar DC) - it was still a game where Tyrone looked to be holding back (not starting McCurry), but not seeing a 4 point advantage against a mid table division 3 side is pathetic, given the supposed standards they are holding themselves too, and I still think they are not as well conditioned as they have been in the past.

    Ballybofey is where the excuses stop and everything with management, backroom and players will be laid bare and if they don't get a result against a basket case of a county then it will put us back a fair bit given the standards of the last two years, and Ballybofey could be the graveyard of the Tyrone management again. The one thing I spotted from the coverage was Doohers body language, hands in the pockets and arse against the railing - either fed up or nonchalant about the result, but only a few snapshots in coverage so could mean nothing.

    Not a clue what to expect to be honest.


    That's just dooher. You see him at it every game which can be a bit frustrating. Need a big target man to go alongside McCurry or darragh. Mcshane is ideal for that role.

    Missing a few direct runners like mckenna did in 2021. This side way crap needs to stop. Run directly at defences and chances are you will get a score or get fouled for a free. No idea for the life of me why we don't do this.

    Don't think we are holding anything back or trying not to show our hand, I thought that in 2022 and turns out we were just shit. Think it's the same this time.

    Agree on target man - but McShane is not the answer, he's has shown too many times he can't do it, on the direct runners the most frustrating change was Oguz, the lad looks to be everything you want, big strong quick but taking him off to me was crazy, he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt if you are looking for him to develop
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaaGPT on June 20, 2023, 10:37:36 AM
    Once mcShane gets back from injury and confidence back I would be playing him at 11 or 14. This man has a lot to offer us
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on June 20, 2023, 10:42:37 AM
    You will more than likely have to wait until next year to see McShane playing 11 or 14 for Tyrone
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on June 20, 2023, 12:28:22 PM
    Has Mc Shane got much game time since he decided to stay in Tyrone?

    Is it either through injury or loss of form.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 20, 2023, 02:51:34 PM
    Quote from: marty34 on June 20, 2023, 12:28:22 PM
    Has Mc Shane got much game time since he decided to stay in Tyrone?

    Is it either through injury or loss of form.
    Injured
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 20, 2023, 02:55:44 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on June 20, 2023, 02:51:34 PM
    Quote from: marty34 on June 20, 2023, 12:28:22 PM
    Has Mc Shane got much game time since he decided to stay in Tyrone?

    Is it either through injury or loss of form.
    Injured

    The first game in the McKenna cup he looked v sharp but think was never really injury free since. The loss of sluddens form/confidence has been a miss.

    Morgan
    Clarke
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    Quinn
    Burns
    McKernan
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    Canavan
    Harte
    McCurry
    Donnelly
    McGeary
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: KickItIn23 on June 20, 2023, 03:03:45 PM
    If Mc shane is anyway fit he has to be involved. Tyrone missing that presence in the forward line that he provides, even coming off the bench.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on June 20, 2023, 05:35:54 PM
    Darragh Canavan's performance on Sunday reminded me of Peter in his day.
    Taking men on, jinking this way then that. Able to turn off either foot and score.
    He looks to be taking on a lot more responsibility for shooting this year and his haul of 10 points was very impressive.
    With him and McCurry in top form we are probably all underestimating how lucky we are to have these two lads on such fine form.

    Of course when you have one or two top scoring forwards, then others tend not so shoot as much and is probably why our half forward line hasn't been great so far. Was delighted to see Ruairi getting some game time and a few scores as well. He's still very young and inexperienced at this level of course.
    I don't hold much hope for seeing McShane back this year either and think it's a combination of injuries and loss of confidence.

    Sludden who I usually like and is worth a few scores also seems like a different player and doesn't seem to have the same energy or work rate as usual. Could it be his last season?
    Mattie seems to have got himself back playing well again and seems to play all over the field.

    I wonder will the management give up on M.O'Neill and go back to Burns? I am never that impressed with O'Neill.
    I agree that our FB, MF and FF lines are quite strong but hopefully McGeary, Burns, Harte and Meyler can raise their games going into the knockout stages now.

    I think we've a good starting 15 but our bench is very weak now compared to two years ago.
    If we play to our potential and tighten up a bit at the back I think we can beat Donegal but I don't know would we beat Kerry, Dublin or Derry.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 20, 2023, 07:10:38 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on June 20, 2023, 05:35:54 PM
    Darragh Canavan's performance on Sunday reminded me of Peter in his day.
    Taking men on, jinking this way then that. Able to turn off either foot and score.
    He looks to be taking on a lot more responsibility for shooting this year and his haul of 10 points was very impressive.
    With him and McCurry in top form we are probably all underestimating how lucky we are to have these two lads on such fine form.

    Of course when you have one or two top scoring forwards, then others tend not so shoot as much and is probably why our half forward line hasn't been great so far. Was delighted to see Ruairi getting some game time and a few scores as well. He's still very young and inexperienced at this level of course.
    I don't hold much hope for seeing McShane back this year either and think it's a combination of injuries and loss of confidence.

    Sludden who I usually like and is worth a few scores also seems like a different player and doesn't seem to have the same energy or work rate as usual. Could it be his last season?
    Mattie seems to have got himself back playing well again and seems to play all over the field.

    I wonder will the management give up on M.O'Neill and go back to Burns? I am never that impressed with O'Neill.
    I agree that our FB, MF and FF lines are quite strong but hopefully McGeary, Burns, Harte and Meyler can raise their games going into the knockout stages now.

    I think we've a good starting 15 but our bench is very weak now compared to two years ago.
    If we play to our potential and tighten up a bit at the back I think we can beat Donegal but I don't know would we beat Kerry, Dublin or Derry.
    Excellent post and sums it all up really. I do think you are being a bit hard on Mickey O Neill. He does a lot of unseen work..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: armaghniac on June 20, 2023, 07:27:16 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on June 20, 2023, 05:35:54 PM
    Darragh Canavan's performance on Sunday reminded me of Peter in his day.
    Taking men on, jinking this way then that. Able to turn off either foot and score.

    And like back in the day he hasn't much else on the team around him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 20, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
    There was doom and gloom in 2021. Actually, every year as far as I can remember. Win and you're great, lose and you're shite.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on June 20, 2023, 10:34:39 PM
    Quote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2023, 07:27:16 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on June 20, 2023, 05:35:54 PM
    Darragh Canavan's performance on Sunday reminded me of Peter in his day.
    Taking men on, jinking this way then that. Able to turn off either foot and score.

    And like back in the day he hasn't much else on the team around him.

    Obsessed
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 20, 2023, 10:58:16 PM
    Quote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2023, 07:27:16 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on June 20, 2023, 05:35:54 PM
    Darragh Canavan's performance on Sunday reminded me of Peter in his day.
    Taking men on, jinking this way then that. Able to turn off either foot and score.

    And like back in the day he hasn't much else on the team around him.

    Wee Peter was enough for use on many an occasion
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone2021 on June 20, 2023, 11:14:36 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on June 19, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 03:33:18 PM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 19, 2023, 02:49:23 PM
    Obv we don't see what's going on in training - it's a selfish point of view here from a fans perspective - but we have a monster of a man in mcgleenan on the bench, why is he on the panel if we won't use him?

    Jesus he's a colossus, in at 14 with one or both canavans and McCurry round him for the break, you'd imagine it's worth a try.

    Would definitely give other teams something to think about. If it didn't work he could always be subbed off and revert to type.

    Mc gleenan hasn't dominated in any club game I've seen him in as of yet, why would he be able to do it in county?

    When did you see him playing for the club?
    Mcgleenan has played against Carrickmore a few times now, always seems to be matched up against one of our stronger runners and is left chasing shadows. Don't think he's the answer
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on June 21, 2023, 06:39:52 AM
    Quote from: armaghniac on June 20, 2023, 07:27:16 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on June 20, 2023, 05:35:54 PM
    Darragh Canavan's performance on Sunday reminded me of Peter in his day.
    Taking men on, jinking this way then that. Able to turn off either foot and score.

    And like back in the day he hasn't much else on the team around him.

    Must have really hurt you to get beat by Tyrone in second gear
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on June 21, 2023, 09:25:55 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone2021 on June 20, 2023, 11:14:36 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on June 19, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on June 19, 2023, 03:33:18 PM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 19, 2023, 02:49:23 PM
    Obv we don't see what's going on in training - it's a selfish point of view here from a fans perspective - but we have a monster of a man in mcgleenan on the bench, why is he on the panel if we won't use him?

    Jesus he's a colossus, in at 14 with one or both canavans and McCurry round him for the break, you'd imagine it's worth a try.

    Would definitely give other teams something to think about. If it didn't work he could always be subbed off and revert to type.

    Mc gleenan hasn't dominated in any club game I've seen him in as of yet, why would he be able to do it in county?

    When did you see him playing for the club?
    Mcgleenan has played against Carrickmore a few times now, always seems to be matched up against one of our stronger runners and is left chasing shadows. Don't think he's the answer

    When was this, because Eglish were Division 2 last year, he would have played very little for them and he hasn't played for Eglish this year yet?
    So are you saying a 18 or 19 year old didn't star against one of the leading teams in the county?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on June 21, 2023, 05:51:41 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 20, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
    There was doom and gloom in 2021. Actually, every year as far as I can remember. Win and you're great, lose and you're shite.
    There no was no gloom this late in the 2021 Championship.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 21, 2023, 06:23:05 PM
    in June?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 21, 2023, 09:21:46 PM
    I am looking forward to this game. Absolute do or die.  Genuinely think there is a lot of things starting to go right there as well. We can  improve massively on the things that we were doing wrong.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on June 21, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 21, 2023, 07:57:31 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on June 21, 2023, 05:51:41 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 20, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
    There was doom and gloom in 2021. Actually, every year as far as I can remember. Win and you're great, lose and you're shite.
    There no was no gloom this late in the 2021 Championship.
    The championship hadn't started by this time of year but Tyrone had just suffered a huge league defeat in Killarney.
    Obviously not talking about time of the year, deep into championship we had beaten 3 good teams to win Ulster and eventually went on to beat Kerry and Mayo
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on June 21, 2023, 09:56:29 PM
    Because of what happened 2 years ago, you cannot write this squad off. It's just that you haven't seen more than 20 mins at that level for 2 years now and are hoping it suddenly happens this Sunday
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 21, 2023, 10:11:35 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on June 21, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 21, 2023, 07:57:31 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on June 21, 2023, 05:51:41 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 20, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
    There was doom and gloom in 2021. Actually, every year as far as I can remember. Win and you're great, lose and you're shite.
    There no was no gloom this late in the 2021 Championship.
    The championship hadn't started by this time of year but Tyrone had just suffered a huge league defeat in Killarney.
    Obviously not talking about time of the year, deep into championship we had beaten 3 good teams to win Ulster and eventually went on to beat Kerry and Mayo
    Tyrone were huge underdogs before the semi final versus Kerry. Yes we had won Ulster but nobody gave us a chance for Sam (granted the covid situation played a large part in this).
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 22, 2023, 12:23:46 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on June 21, 2023, 09:56:29 PM
    Because of what happened 2 years ago, you cannot write this squad off. It's just that you haven't seen more than 20 mins at that level for 2 years now and are hoping it suddenly happens this Sunday
    If they leave it to Sunday it could be too late...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 22, 2023, 07:52:44 AM
    Your just hoping that they can get through this week and the sight of a big team next week in Croke Park really draws the best out of them. Our record in Ballybofey this last decade has been miserable, can't face another defeat there again this week. Though we're undefeated in knockout championship games there.

    Canavan has stepped up arguably giving us a greater threat up front than two years ago. It's legs around that middle zone that has been a big issue. Even the likes of Hampsey and McNamee aren't getting forward as regularly either.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 22, 2023, 08:40:06 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 22, 2023, 07:52:44 AM
    Your just hoping that they can get through this week and the sight of a big team next week in Croke Park really draws the best out of them. Our record in Ballybofey this last decade has been miserable, can't face another defeat there again this week. Though we're undefeated in knockout championship games there.

    Canavan has stepped up arguably giving us a greater threat up front than two years ago. It's legs around that middle zone that has been a big issue. Even the likes of Hampsey and McNamee aren't getting forward as regularly either.

    Donegal knocked us out in 2020 at Ballybofey.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 22, 2023, 08:44:45 AM
    Forgot about that - was thinking the super 8 was the only knockout game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on June 22, 2023, 10:40:08 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on June 22, 2023, 12:23:46 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on June 21, 2023, 09:56:29 PM
    Because of what happened 2 years ago, you cannot write this squad off. It's just that you haven't seen more than 20 mins at that level for 2 years now and are hoping it suddenly happens this Sunday
    If they leave it to Sunday it could be too late...

    Maybe it'll be delayed til 10pm, then extra time and penalties.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on June 23, 2023, 01:04:17 AM
    There is the likelihood of another John Heslin get out of jail card on Saturday.

    And there is the (mad) likelihood of beating Dublin or Kerry the following Saturday.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on June 23, 2023, 07:26:21 AM
    Conor mckenna a big miss.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 23, 2023, 09:03:54 AM
    He was never outstanding but had a bit of an X factor and unpredictability about him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on June 23, 2023, 09:17:46 AM
    no consistency - he could either be a 2/10 or 9/10 from one week to the next
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on June 23, 2023, 09:58:28 AM
    https://tyronegaa.ie/squad-named-for-all-ireland-preliminary-quarter-final-clash/

    Cathal McShane listed at No.24
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 23, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on June 23, 2023, 07:26:21 AM
    Conor mckenna a big miss.

    Would you switch him for Darragh Canavan who has effectively took his place?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 23, 2023, 10:15:53 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 23, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on June 23, 2023, 07:26:21 AM
    Conor mckenna a big miss.

    Would you switch him for Darragh Canavan who has effectively took his place?

    Not in the form Canavan has been in this year in that position no but there would definitely be a spot for him the starting line up if he hung about.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 23, 2023, 11:05:59 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 23, 2023, 10:15:53 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 23, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on June 23, 2023, 07:26:21 AM
    Conor mckenna a big miss.

    Would you switch him for Darragh Canavan who has effectively took his place?

    Not in the form Canavan has been in this year in that position no but there would definitely be a spot for him the starting line up if he hung about.

    McKenna in the first short spell he was back looked a level above. By his own admission he wasn't great in the AI win but probably wouldn't have won AI without him. Didn't seem fit enuf in his last year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 23, 2023, 11:23:05 AM
    He was poor last year but maybe his head and heart was already in Australia at that stage. He had some big moments in 2021 and I think he is a big enough miss for us.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 23, 2023, 11:25:45 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 23, 2023, 11:23:05 AM
    He was poor last year but maybe his head and heart was already in Australia at that stage. He had some big moments in 2021 and I think he is a big enough miss for us.

    Yes a fully fit focused McKenna starts all day. Nr11
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on June 23, 2023, 01:17:37 PM
    While he was erratic at times, given the way we are currently playing he would start all day long.
    We are badly missing his unpredictability/x factor.

    Less than hopeful about this game.

    The fact it is in their back garden makes it even more difficult.

    Bookies have us 'warm' favourites - wish I was as hopeful
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 23, 2023, 01:46:40 PM
    Mckenna had a direct style about him which is badly missing. We piss about too much but with him it was route 1. He had great vision for a killer pass but as said before he was very inconsistent and never really seemed committed.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 23, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
    Are
    Quote from: WT4E on June 23, 2023, 07:26:21 AM
    Conor mckenna a big miss.
    And so is Brian Mc Guigan but neither form part of the conversation in relation to tomorrows game...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on June 23, 2023, 02:30:43 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on June 23, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
    Are
    Quote from: WT4E on June 23, 2023, 07:26:21 AM
    Conor mckenna a big miss.
    And so is Brian Mc Guigan but neither form part of the conversation in relation to tomorrows game...

    If you are mentioning Brian then dont exclude Frank
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 23, 2023, 02:35:50 PM
    Both Franks are missed tomorrow and what about Tommie. do we not miss Tommie anymore?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 23, 2023, 02:41:28 PM
    Fellas just as a matter in board etiquette - if you are going to discuss anything in the week of a match can you please comment only on something which is in direct relation to that weeks match?

    Thanks for the reminder rrhf. Fighting a lone battle to keep standards high in the Tyrone section of the board.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on June 23, 2023, 02:46:47 PM
    Apologies square ball - I do appreciate you taking your position as protector of the board seriously.

    Anyway - is anyone else shocked that we are short enough priced favourites for this game?

    Looks like it is based on league performances and not recent weeks performances
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 23, 2023, 03:07:17 PM
    Quote from: Taylor on June 23, 2023, 02:46:47 PM
    Apologies square ball - I do appreciate you taking your position as protector of the board seriously.

    Anyway - is anyone else shocked that we are short enough priced favourites for this game?

    Looks like it is based on league performances and not recent weeks performances

    A lot of people are tipping Donegal based on one performance v Monaghan. I think we'll get the job done this weekend. I think we have the better forwards if McCurry is fit and they keep the younger Canavan on from the start.

    A goal from the returning McShane in the last 10 minutes to seal it ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the goal was on on June 23, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
    donegal have had 1 decent win (last week) in a lacklustre game all season so surprised anyone tipping them. They tried hard against derry but ended up with a fairly heavy defeat . Tyrone will be better for last week and will have too much for donegal and too mobile around the middle. Expect kilpatrick and kennedy to pose big problems for donegal.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 23, 2023, 05:16:30 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 23, 2023, 02:41:28 PM
    Fellas just as a matter in board etiquette - if you are going to discuss anything in the week of a match can you please comment only on something which is in direct relation to that weeks match?

    Thanks for the reminder rrhf. Fighting a lone battle to keep standards high in the Tyrone section of the board.
    Just doin my job....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on June 23, 2023, 05:35:34 PM
    I was in at thr donegal v Monaghan match and Monaghan were utterly rubbish. Think there's a bit too much being read into it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on June 23, 2023, 10:15:59 PM
    FS, I've stuck the house on Donegal.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 24, 2023, 07:33:32 AM
    Quote from: rrhf on June 21, 2023, 09:21:46 PM
    I am looking forward to this game. Absolute do or die.  Genuinely think there is a lot of things starting to go right there as well. We can  improve massively on the things that we were doing wrong.

    Agree with this to an extent, at about 60 minutes against Westmeath I felt Tyrone were coming on nicely. We had coasted along then stepped up a level and created a gap and I expected us to finish the job there and win by 5 or 6 points or more. It looked like a few men were stepping up. The subsequent collapse was bizarre. We shouldn't be so dependent on the leadership of Donnelly and Harte at this stage - but after the strange last couple of years we are - and removing them and sending in inexperienced heads late on was a mistake that should not he repeated. Even knackered older players would have been more useful.

    But still, take the best parts of last week and put McCurry back in and Tyrone would still be awkward opponents for most. The option of McShane off the bench, although he must be a fair bit off it, is another potential boost.

    It isn't beyond Tyrone at all to win today and beat any of the teams already in the last 8. Has to be said though, it feels like a real stretch to think we could really bring it all together and win a few games after so many disjointed performances over the past two years, a real leap of faith. Unfortunate as Kerry and Dublin have been unconvincing, lots of questions about Mayo and Galway, and I don't really rate Derry and Armagh as top teams. Tyrone after 2021 looked like a team that could kick on further but even had we stayed at that level we'd have had a great shot at Sam last year and this year. Instead we have gone backwards so much and it's a huge missed opportunity.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 24, 2023, 05:56:48 PM
    Quote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2023, 05:35:34 PM
    I was in at thr donegal v Monaghan match and Monaghan were utterly rubbish. Think there's a bit too much being read into it.

    Monaghan have been pretty awful so far here this evening as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on June 24, 2023, 08:45:10 PM
    Myler MOTM? Mckernan or canavan for me
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 24, 2023, 08:53:21 PM
    We're back! I don't mind who we get in the draw.

    I was surprised Meyler picked up MOTM. McKernan probably edged D Canavan for me.

    Though I will say Donegal were pretty hopeless. I didn't understand the talking up of them during the week. How much of that was us making them look that bad I don't know.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 24, 2023, 09:16:15 PM
    Meyler neutralised Eoghan Bán, no easy feat, and the way Donegal targeted him in the second half (around his head in particular) would suggest that he deserved MOTM, IMHO.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: time ticking away on June 24, 2023, 09:18:45 PM
    Well done to the management, they got it all right this evening
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 24, 2023, 09:26:09 PM
    Darragh canavan is worth the admission fee alone. Another day R Canavan could have had 1-5 himself.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on June 24, 2023, 09:30:32 PM
    A lot of slabbering in football these days. Tyrone and Donegal players at it all game. Trashy stuff.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 24, 2023, 09:31:43 PM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 24, 2023, 09:16:15 PM
    Meyler neutralised Eoghan Bán, no easy feat, and the way Donegal targeted him in the second half (around his head in particular) would suggest that he deserved MOTM, IMHO.

    Not sure if he was targeted as such. Think it was just coincidental he was the man on the end of the 3.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 24, 2023, 09:41:38 PM
    Really good result & performance to go with it

    Still have concerns about the half back line. Rory Brennan is the biggest loss of all the players that walked away. In my eyes anyway. Rory at 6 and that side would take some talking too

    The Canavan's.... Unreal
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 24, 2023, 10:20:25 PM
    Ruari has such raw natural talent but is still not the finished article. Conor McKenna was mentioned earlier this week, Ruari is the closest we have to that ability. Hopefully himself and Daragh stay injury free and dominate for years to come.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on June 24, 2023, 10:35:29 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2023, 10:15:59 PM
    FS, I've stuck the house on Donegal.

    If you need a place to stay I've a spare room. Some performance, hope we get Derry next.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on June 24, 2023, 10:53:27 PM
    Back to my mckenna point earlier in the week and the Meyler MOTM. I think that's why football is not as enjoyable anymore
    .mangers and supporters seem to back the mundane reliable player as opposed to the maverick.

    Give me the moment of genius from mckenna as opposed to the meyler talking about sleeping patterns any day of the week.

    Anyway think we go to a semi now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 24, 2023, 11:12:25 PM
    Every team has a mixture of the exciting and dull.  Each has an important role to play and one without the other is useless.  Fair play to Tyrone tonight on a very professional performance
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on June 25, 2023, 12:20:05 AM
    I agree. Team sport needs different types of players.
    Look at Dooher and Stephen ONeill or Mugsy.
    Saying that I'm delighted to see Ruairi Canavan in the starting lineup now. More scoring threat than Oguz, McGeary or Burns at half forward..

    He is still young and inexperienced and took the wrong option today a few times but I'm really excited about the next few years with him, Darragh and Dazzler.
    Mattie is showing us he's far from ready to hang up the boots just yet.
    McKernan has become a very important player for us and is well able to kick a score.
    I see if Mayo win tomorrow then Kerry have to either meet Tyrone or Monaghan so that will be some fun.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on June 25, 2023, 12:31:43 AM
    So Derry, Dublin or Kerry next!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on June 25, 2023, 12:54:55 AM
    The Canavans. What else is there to say? If Tyrone get to a semi and Darragh puts in one more big performance he's in with an all star regardless of who wins the all ireland.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 25, 2023, 07:26:42 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on June 24, 2023, 10:53:27 PM
    Back to my mckenna point earlier in the week and the Meyler MOTM. I think that's why football is not as enjoyable anymore
    .mangers and supporters seem to back the mundane reliable player as opposed to the maverick.

    Give me the moment of genius from mckenna as opposed to the meyler talking about sleeping patterns any day of the week.

    Anyway think we go to a semi now.

    Strange comment given Tyrone have a forward line with two canavans and McCurry. Plenty of excitement there. The likes of mattie, Harte etc aren't bad either. There's a lot more all round skill and flair to the team than the 95 team for example.

    I don't care what meyler talks about either, he's a brilliant player. Can take s key opposition player out of the game while putting in huge shifts himself.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 25, 2023, 08:01:25 AM
    Agreed, Meyler should really have got footballer of the year in 2021, spent the summer shutting down the opposition's main men while also contributing further up the field. And one of the players who has maintained that form since. A great player!

    Maybe Donegal weren't the best last night but a much better Tyrone performance. Hopefully we can give the next one a real go too and see what happens.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mario on June 25, 2023, 08:33:06 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on June 25, 2023, 12:54:55 AM
    The Canavans. What else is there to say? If Tyrone get to a semi and Darragh puts in one more big performance he's in with an all star regardless of who wins the all ireland.
    Before yesterday he was 11th place in scores from play in Championship. He's in with a shout but imo still behind Clifford and McGuigan. It all depends how the respective teams do.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on June 25, 2023, 09:46:44 AM
    Bring on the Dubs
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 25, 2023, 10:25:58 AM
    Bring on Derry, the dubs can wait
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on June 25, 2023, 10:35:45 AM
    I hope we get the dubs - The one team we haven't managed to beat.  I think we can beat all the others. Still a bit worried about Quinn at 5 and Mc Geary at 11 but we look good everywhere else. Hon Tyrone
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on June 25, 2023, 11:05:35 AM
    Quote from: Mario on June 25, 2023, 08:33:06 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on June 25, 2023, 12:54:55 AM
    The Canavans. What else is there to say? If Tyrone get to a semi and Darragh puts in one more big performance he's in with an all star regardless of who wins the all ireland.
    Before yesterday he was 11th place in scores from play in Championship. He's in with a shout but imo still behind Clifford and McGuigan. It all depends how the respective teams do.

    Not really a fair stat as other teams have played more games and the likes of Con got to feast on weaker teams like Laois / Louth.
    But all stars are usually based on the semis and final so would need to get there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 25, 2023, 11:51:53 AM
    Yeah all stars solely based on semi final and final. Shane Walsh prime example last year. Ok up to the final then had a performance of the ages and got the all star and in the running for player of true year based on 1 game. Canavan has been exceptional. I think he can get even better still.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: jmcgdoire on June 25, 2023, 11:56:47 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 25, 2023, 11:51:53 AM
    Yeah all stars solely based on semi final and final. Shane Walsh prime example last year. Ok up to the final then had a performance of the ages and got the all star and in the running for player of true year based on 1 game. Canavan has been exceptional. I think he can get even better still.
    Not sure about this. There are plenty of examples of Quarter finalists getting all stars although they have to be exceptional. Im not sure Canavan has earned it yet, but maybe if he brings a similar performance to the QF even if tyrone bow out.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 25, 2023, 12:07:31 PM
    Quote from: jmcgdoire on June 25, 2023, 11:56:47 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on June 25, 2023, 11:51:53 AM
    Yeah all stars solely based on semi final and final. Shane Walsh prime example last year. Ok up to the final then had a performance of the ages and got the all star and in the running for player of true year based on 1 game. Canavan has been exceptional. I think he can get even better still.
    Not sure about this. There are plenty of examples of Quarter finalists getting all stars although they have to be exceptional. Im not sure Canavan has earned it yet, but maybe if he brings a similar performance to the QF even if tyrone bow out.

    Well maybe solely is a bit strong but looking back on the last 4 full seasons where we've had quarter finals by my count there has been 58 of the 60 all stars given out to players who have reached the semi finals.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Walter Cronc on June 25, 2023, 12:08:18 PM
    McGeary was the best he's been in a long time yesterday. His conditioning must be off though as he was hooked early. For a Tyrone team they're not overly hateful bar McKernan! This might change if we draw youse next weekend  8)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 25, 2023, 12:10:57 PM
    That's disappointing we only have one unlikeable player. We would like to get that up to maybe 5 of the starting team to be hateful fckuers.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on June 25, 2023, 12:25:50 PM
    Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 25, 2023, 12:08:18 PM
    McGeary was the best he's been in a long time yesterday. His conditioning must be off though as he was hooked early. For a Tyrone team they're not overly hateful bar McKernan! This might change if we draw youse next weekend  8)

    A slabber and dives all the time also.

    A bad combination.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on June 25, 2023, 01:23:19 PM
    Really hope we get Derry.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 25, 2023, 07:51:38 PM
    I think Meyler is underrated. He doesn't kick that much but has shown that he can. He can blot out an opposition player like nobody else. He never stops running. He rarely gives the ball away. He is really good at hand passing into space, going past a man and give and goes. He gives everything and is a great ambassador for Tyrone and the GAA.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaaGPT on June 26, 2023, 08:53:29 AM
    Surprised McShane didn't getting some game time. I think our bench is quite poor in terms of game changers. Would have liked to have seen him get some time in prep for the 1/4 final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 26, 2023, 08:58:56 AM
    I would imagine the players would be happy enough with that draw as the green and gold usually gets them going. I suppose any of the 3 possibilities were going to be tricky so bring it on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on June 26, 2023, 08:59:20 AM
    Who marks Clifford?

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on June 26, 2023, 09:02:18 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on June 26, 2023, 08:59:20 AM
    Who marks Clifford?

    Hampsey. Was Mcnamee previous semi but I would go with Hampsey this time around.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 26, 2023, 09:06:11 AM
    Hampsey marked him in Omagh. He seems to be the go to for danger men this season and has done well in the main. Though Gallen did give him a torrid enough time on Saturday past.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on June 26, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
    Quote from: GaaGPT on June 26, 2023, 08:53:29 AM
    Surprised McShane didn't getting some game time. I think our bench is quite poor in terms of game changers. Would have liked to have seen him get some time in prep for the 1/4 final
    Looks to be nowhere near it. Be surprised if he plays any meaningful part from here on in.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on June 26, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
    Where in Belfast centre would be showing the gaa match.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 26, 2023, 01:16:27 PM
    Anywhere on castle Street I'd imagine. 

    The Garrick might be a better shout though
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 26, 2023, 01:17:09 PM
    Tyrone Kerry on first seems odd?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: DickyRock on June 26, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
    Imagine they put Kerry on first so that they can travel back
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 26, 2023, 01:29:08 PM
    It seems like a bit of the noughties Tyrone hoodoo over Kerry is back recently. Let's hope it continues this weekend.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 26, 2023, 01:48:01 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 26, 2023, 01:29:08 PM
    It seems like a bit of the noughties Tyrone hoodoo over Kerry is back recently. Let's hope it continues this weekend.

    Bookies have Kerry as strong favourites. Though that's always been the case in every match we've ever played. Should add extra motivation if any were needed.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on June 26, 2023, 01:58:13 PM
    Massive massive match for this group of players. There's been a lot of talk about winning a lucky All Ireland and only beating Kerry because of covid (still haven't got my head round the logic) over the last 18 months. Tyrone for long spells since the All Ireland win have struggled badly for form. This is by far and away the biggest game in two years. As usual going in as underdogs against the current All Ireland champions. I don't think there'll be any issues what so ever getting up for it.

    Going to need massive work rate around the middle area and get them on the back foot. I've no doubt we have players good enough to win this game if they play to their potential. Roll on Saturday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on June 26, 2023, 02:06:33 PM
    You have to allow for the fact that Clifford will rack up a few scores but if they can do reasonably well on him they're in with a great shout.  Need a bit of luck al9ngvthe way but I'm hopeful
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 26, 2023, 02:13:13 PM
    Big decision for the management
    Do you stick with Ruairi from the start? He is our biggest goal threat i believe, and we will need a goal or two.

    Or is Ruairi sacrificed for Burns to come in, as an added defender.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 26, 2023, 02:13:23 PM
    David Clifford and/or McKernan to get a red card.

    I think we've done a good job keeping Sean O Se quiet in previous meetings. Do that again and minimise Clifford impact and Kerry will struggle.  Easier said than done.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Hereiam on June 26, 2023, 03:48:12 PM
    Any word on who the ref is?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Taylor on June 26, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
    Brendan Cawley from Kildare
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 26, 2023, 04:36:47 PM
    Listening to BBC GAA podcast and some lies still being perpetuated on the 2021 Tyrone v Kerry match. Oisin McConville said (paraphrasing here):
    The covid year.
    Tyrone got the match delayed 2 weeks.
    Tyrone ambushed Kerry.

    1. 2021 was the second year of covid affecting football.
    2. Tyrone requested the match to be postponed 6 days and Kerry agreed.
    3. Wtf even is an ambush in relation to a football match? Did Tyrone hide in the dressing room and jump out at the Kerry lads?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on June 26, 2023, 04:39:02 PM
    The good news is the Kerry media men only have 5 days to bad mouth Tyrone and influence the referee this time, but watch how they give it a go anyway, Tomas got it underway saying Tyrone have their nastiness back, the rest will row in soon
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on June 26, 2023, 04:58:20 PM
    Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 26, 2023, 04:36:47 PM
    Listening to BBC GAA podcast and some lies still being perpetuated on the 2021 Tyrone v Kerry match. Oisin McConville said (paraphrasing here):
    The covid year.
    Tyrone got the match delayed 2 weeks.
    Tyrone ambushed Kerry.

    1. 2021 was the second year of covid affecting football.
    2. Tyrone requested the match to be postponed 6 days and Kerry agreed.
    3. Wtf even is an ambush in relation to a football match? Did Tyrone hide in the dressing room and jump out at the Kerry lads?

    I really like Oisin as a pundit but he's never been good at hiding the bitterness with regards Tyrone. I don't blame him for it either, it was a lot worse a few years ago than it is now to my memory as well!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 26, 2023, 05:10:26 PM
    Quote from: PMG1 on June 26, 2023, 04:39:02 PM
    The good news is the Kerry media men only have 5 days to bad mouth Tyrone and influence the referee this time, but watch how they give it a go anyway, Tomas got it underway saying Tyrone have their nastiness back, the rest will row in soon

    Good job there was nothing controversial in the Donegal match or Tomas would be looking men suspended.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 26, 2023, 09:52:16 PM
    In fairness...

    Tomás seems to have grudging respect and admiration for Tyrone. I've heard him speak about those 00s games and he has interviewed Ricey and Mugsy and seems to get on with them and mixed with them while playing Aussie rules. Jack O'Connor definitely has a deep hate inside him haha. I remember seeing him on the way to a match (which wasn't Tyrone and Kerry) and he gave the most dirty looks.

    Oisín is also pretty open about his hate for Tyrone, but I think he recognises it and does have respect somewhere deep, deep inside. I'd say it's partly the same reason for the Kerry hate. Armagh had an unbelievable achievement in winning their first sam, but Tyrone beat them the following year and would overshadow their achievement. Kerry won plenty in the 00s, but couldn't get the better of Tyrone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Squareball71 on June 28, 2023, 12:07:47 AM
    Quote from: An Watcher on June 25, 2023, 10:25:58 AM
    Bring on Derry, the dubs can wait

    Just you worry about Kerry first before thinking of who to wait for.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on June 30, 2023, 10:16:15 AM
    Morgan
    Mckernan
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    C Quinn
    Michael o neill
    Harte
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    R Canavan
    McGeary
    Mccurry
    Donnelly
    D Canavan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on June 30, 2023, 10:29:13 AM
    Line up as expected. Canavan x 2, McCurry and Donnelly will take a bit of marking. We've also a better midfield duo. Someone on the match thread said it could be Kerry by 12 or Tyrone by 2. Heart ruling the head maybe but I'll go with the latter.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on June 30, 2023, 10:36:51 AM
    What are the general thoughts of Tyrone supporters on M'Oneill? For a lad that has played in key positions namely 6 & 11 for Tyrone he doesn't do much for me.  Can you win an AI with him at 6?  What would be the other viable alternatives?  Tyrone teams generally have excellent half back lines and have provided them with a great platform down the years, but could be their weakest line currently? 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on June 30, 2023, 10:46:37 AM
    McGleenan absent from the subs (injury?) and Niall Kelly has usurped Rory Donnelly on the bench from the last day.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on June 30, 2023, 11:05:15 AM
    Quote from: statto on June 30, 2023, 10:36:51 AM
    What are the general thoughts of Tyrone supporters on M'Oneill? For a lad that has played in key positions namely 6 & 11 for Tyrone he doesn't do much for me.  Can you win an AI with him at 6?  What would be the other viable alternatives?  Tyrone teams generally have excellent half back lines and have provided them with a great platform down the years, but could be their weakest line currently?

    He's been better at 6 than at 11 but I would agree hes lucky to hold on to his place. Would someone like Niall Sludden with good vision and ability to kick a point be an option?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on June 30, 2023, 11:05:55 AM
    I have spare family tickets. 2 x Adult 2 x Juvenile.

    Lower Davin if anyone interested
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on June 30, 2023, 05:20:35 PM
    2023 Team v Kerry
    Morgan           
    McKernan
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    C Quinn
    Michael o neill
    Harte
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    R Canavan
    McGeary
    McCurry
    Donnelly
    D Canavan

    AI final team 2021
    Morgan
    McKernan
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    Burns
    Harte
    McGeary
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    Michael o'Neill
    Sludden
    McCurry
    M.Donnelly
    McKenna

    Would yis say our starting 15 is stronger or weaker than 2021?
    Sludden, McKenna and Burns the 3 men not starting this weekend.

    I think we've better scoring forwards now although we will miss McKenna ball winning ability to create havoc and score goals.
    Hopefully McGeary can get his confidence back and kick a score or two like he used to.

    Are Kerry stronger this year than they were in 2021? As many have said we struggled at MF against them in 2021 but we would appear to be stronger there this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dire Ear on June 30, 2023, 06:05:11 PM
    Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
    Brendan Cawley from Kildare

    What do we know about the boul Brendy............. ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on June 30, 2023, 07:51:03 PM
    Feeling  very confident  we will  win this.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on June 30, 2023, 08:57:02 PM
    Quote from: Fuzzman on June 30, 2023, 05:20:35 PM
    2023 Team v Kerry
    Morgan           
    McKernan
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    C Quinn
    Michael o neill
    Harte
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    R Canavan
    McGeary
    McCurry
    Donnelly
    D Canavan

    AI final team 2021
    Morgan
    McKernan
    McNamee
    Hampsey
    Burns
    Harte
    McGeary
    Kennedy
    Kilpatrick
    Meyler
    Michael o'Neill
    Sludden
    McCurry
    M.Donnelly
    McKenna

    Would yis say our starting 15 is stronger or weaker than 2021?
    Sludden, McKenna and Burns the 3 men not starting this weekend.

    I think we've better scoring forwards now although we will miss McKenna ball winning ability to create havoc and score goals.
    Hopefully McGeary can get his confidence back and kick a score or two like he used to.

    Are Kerry stronger this year than they were in 2021? As many have said we struggled at MF against them in 2021 but we would appear to be stronger there this year.

    I watched the 2019 and 2021 matches back. Tyrone really had the beating of Kerry up front in 2019 and let that match get away with silly frees given away and the ref giving frees for literally nothing.

    McKenna was pretty much anonymous for the whole game aside from those goals in 2021. Kerry were able to handle McCurry mostly by double marking him, but the Canavans will make that a lot more difficult. Hard to know how the lay is with O'Connor there now, but I fancy our chances, especially as we should be able to control the middle and get the scores. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on June 30, 2023, 10:21:32 PM
    Rewatched the donegal game there. I don't think any of McCurry or Canavans had that great of a game. Mattie quietly had a great game. Safe travels to anyone traveling tomorrow. Up Tyrone!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 05:37:04 PM
    End of the road for a few men after that.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on July 01, 2023, 06:08:09 PM
    Management included
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: harryR on July 01, 2023, 06:40:46 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 05:37:04 PM
    End of the road for a few men after that.

    Who you thinking?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on July 01, 2023, 06:44:15 PM
    Second half was embarrassing.. lack of effort from a few men was shocking.. Kerry had another gear if they had needed it..transition time . 3 defeats in this tears championship
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 06:56:35 PM
    Quote from: harryR on July 01, 2023, 06:40:46 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 05:37:04 PM
    End of the road for a few men after that.

    Who you thinking?
    Harte,Mattie and McNamee. In their 30's now and a lot of miles.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on July 01, 2023, 07:40:41 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 06:56:35 PM
    Quote from: harryR on July 01, 2023, 06:40:46 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 05:37:04 PM
    End of the road for a few men after that.

    Who you thinking?
    Harte,Mattie and McNamee. In their 30's now and a lot of miles.

    Sludden, Richie and possibly Morgan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on July 01, 2023, 08:21:05 PM
    It was a tanking but Tyrone have plenty of youth still coming through.

    And we have an All-Ireland in recent memory.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 01, 2023, 08:25:19 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on June 30, 2023, 07:51:03 PM
    Feeling  very confident  we will  win this.

    Shows what you know 🙄🙄
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on July 01, 2023, 09:00:32 PM
    Truly shocking, crazy decisions along line and throw in the fact a few boys wouldn't make the kilkenny county football team. Some fall from grace for burns and mc geary look a shadow of themselves. How they watched o neill for more than 10 mins I will never know.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on July 01, 2023, 09:22:59 PM
    That was a fuckin  shameful  performance. How could we be so passive against kerry of all teams. Made them  look like the harlem globetrotters.sick to the bottom of my stomach  tonight.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 01, 2023, 09:34:41 PM
    Is the fitness up to scratch?
    Our attacking play has been abysmal for 2 years
    Mcgeary has returned to the team much too late in the year and miles off pace.
    Meyler needs to learn how to shoot if he is continue on this side.
    Michael O'Neill is not the answer. Sludden, t mccann, r Brennan must be shaking their heads
    D canavan has made our season watchable
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2023, 09:36:44 PM
    What was with the short kickouts? All week we talked about how our midfield was better. Obviously management disagree. The one time we went long in the first half the ball was flicked on to McGeary who albeit fluffed it but it was into  a dangerous position right from the kickout.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 09:52:47 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on July 01, 2023, 09:34:41 PM
    Is the fitness up to scratch?
    Our attacking play has been abysmal for 2 years
    Mcgeary has returned to the team much too late in the year and miles off pace.
    Meyler needs to learn how to shoot if he is continue on this side.
    Michael O'Neill is not the answer. Sludden, t mccann, r Brennan must be shaking their heads
    D canavan has made our season watchable

    I can't for the life of me see what the management see in O'Neill. Another Aidan McCrory.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 01, 2023, 10:08:17 PM
    What was the plan? It seemed to be to close the space in defence and avoid being caught on the counter by attacking slowly. But, why have three small inside men with these tactics? There seemed to be no attacking plan.

    Three weeks on the trot and having only a few days to prepare wasn't to their advantage, but the lack of fight and how easy Kerry were able to push on was not good.

    Rewatched the 2019 and 2021 semis before this and it would be great if we could get a fully fit and on form McShane inside as he was such a weapon in 2019 and looked sharp today.

    Some of the older heads might still have something to offer. Harte though looks to have lost his pace. It would be a shame to see Morgan, Donnelly and Harte to end on such a note, they have given so much over the years and soldiered through many frustrating campaigns.

    And dare I say it, should Tyrone consider getting Tally back involved in the set up somewhere?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 10:12:25 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 01, 2023, 09:36:44 PM
    What was with the short kickouts? All week we talked about how our midfield was better. Obviously management disagree. The one time we went long in the first half the ball was flicked on to McGeary who albeit fluffed it but it was into  a dangerous position right from the kickout.

    Yeah that was the puzzling thing. I thought first few kickouts we were sure to try that out.

    We have a real lack of pace and unfortunately that was laid bare today. O'Sullivan ran the legs of Donnelly up and down the pitch. I think that'll be the end of the road for him.

    Only bonus was McShane coming on kicking 2 beauties.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on July 01, 2023, 10:15:58 PM
    Genuinely thought we were playing safe first half, trying to contain Kerry against the wind in order to let rip in second half.

    How wrong I was.

    Zero plan in attack. Leaving the big square empty most of the time and no-one breaking lines into it or making runs through it. High ball into small men. Aimless shots.

    Agree with other posters that conditioning looked way off the opposition.

    That second half was possibly one of the worst Tyrone championship performances in 20 odd years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on July 01, 2023, 10:20:55 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 09:52:47 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on July 01, 2023, 09:34:41 PM
    Is the fitness up to scratch?
    Our attacking play has been abysmal for 2 years
    Mcgeary has returned to the team much too late in the year and miles off pace.
    Meyler needs to learn how to shoot if he is continue on this side.
    Michael O'Neill is not the answer. Sludden, t mccann, r Brennan must be shaking their heads
    D canavan has made our season watchable

    I can't for the life of me see what the management see in O'Neill. Another Aidan McCrory.

    At least mccrory could tackle.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 10:31:51 PM
    At 6-6 we were right in the game even 9-6 at HT wasn't the worst. Similar to above i expected the kitchen sink to be thrown at Kerry in the 2nd half and instead we didn't even go out with a whimper. We were lucky Kerry didn't hit the net another 3 or 4 times.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 10:47:25 PM
    Is oneill even good for Ardboe? I didn't stay to the end did he finish the game. Taking r can off before this man..... Time for Doogan to go.... pitch a tent outside MOR house

    Then the Pomeroy lads started thinking they where playing American football at one stage in the second half. Throwing arms in the air to call a play and forgetting to take the ball with them. FML watching that.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 10:52:37 PM
    R Canavan came out in the 2nd with tape around his knee so had to be an injury or else it was complete madness to take him off.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on July 01, 2023, 11:02:08 PM
    Bad call not to change the kickouts.

    Kerry purposely allowed the short kick out, knowing it bypassed one of our strengths in recent weeks, the midfield, then they funneled back and completely cut off the D. To keep falling into their trap for 70 mins was mind-boggling.

    If Tyrone did threaten to break through, Kerry fouled. Far enough out not to do too much damage, but the 2 McCurry dropped short were crucial.

    Masterclass by Tally and Jack but we didn't make them think twice.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on July 01, 2023, 11:05:20 PM
    You know what, we could do worse than seeing if Mickey will tear up the Louth contract. There's the potential to have a real bright future, and Harte could be the perfect man. Tyrone were absolutely pathetic in that second half. And Christ knows what guidance was coming from the side.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 01, 2023, 11:14:55 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 01, 2023, 11:05:20 PM
    You know what, we could do worse than seeing if Mickey will tear up the Louth contract. There's the potential to have a real bright future, and Harte could be the perfect man. Tyrone were absolutely pathetic in that second half. And Christ knows what guidance was coming from the side.

    Mickey is a legend. He owes Tyrone nothing, but it's a hard no from me.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on July 01, 2023, 11:15:43 PM
    I thought  I felt bad about  today's result.  Then I see  posters looking for harte back.lol. talk about the depths of despair.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 01, 2023, 11:19:36 PM
    There he is 😂😂
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 11:23:10 PM
    Paddy Tally?

    Malachy O'Rourke not considered to be enough of a Tyrone man?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on July 01, 2023, 11:23:22 PM
    Simply put, Tyrone wouldn't have done that under Mickey. The side from 2015 were putrid and they were a point behind after 60mins. Forget not landing a punch, Tyrone didn't even throw one.

    You look at the other sides around the province. Monaghan, Armagh and Derry would all have less talent imo, yet you could argue all are superior.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 01, 2023, 11:35:31 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 01, 2023, 11:23:22 PM
    Simply put, Tyrone wouldn't have done that under Mickey. The side from 2015 were putrid and they were a point behind after 60mins. Forget not landing a punch, Tyrone didn't even throw one.

    You look at the other sides around the province. Monaghan, Armagh and Derry would all have less talent imo, yet you could argue all are superior.

    Tyrone got pummelled by Dublin under Harte. There's enough talent in Tyrone to not have to play limited football. Mickey never trusted or gave his forwards confidence after the 00s. Look how McCurry has performed since. O'Neill, McAliskey and others should have done more in the right environment.

    Think Dooher and Logan should probably go, but whatever the question is, Mickey isn't the answer.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 11:38:43 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 11:23:10 PM
    Paddy Tally?

    Malachy O'Rourke not considered to be enough of a Tyrone man?


    Anyone calling into question MOR Tyrone credentials needs there head examined.

    Anyway what's with this it has to be a Tyrone born and bred..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 11:41:33 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on July 01, 2023, 11:38:43 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on July 01, 2023, 11:23:10 PM
    Paddy Tally?

    Malachy O'Rourke not considered to be enough of a Tyrone man?


    Anyone calling into question MOR Tyrone credentials needs there head examined.

    Anyway what's with this it has to be a Tyrone born and bred..

    Oh I'm in agreement with you there about MOR. I think him and Porter would be the ticket alright.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on July 02, 2023, 09:43:04 AM
    Not moaning rather trying to work out the following:

    How Mc Gearys Confidence has went to rock bottom following a POTY award
    The same for Mc Shane (who actually looked good when he came on yesterday)
    How T Mc Cann and Ruairi Brennan were surplus to requirements
    How probably the best forward in the county M Bradley was surplus to requirements
    Why so many players left the panel.

    Maybe im missing something?



    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 09:51:24 AM
    Think it's time for a change of management and a rebuild. Allow the new manager 1-2 years to rebuild and change the system. We should set realistic targets of within 3 years winning ulster and getting to a AI semi final.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on July 02, 2023, 10:08:32 AM
    I think Tyrone got a bye ball last year but this year has been really poor as well.  Surely there's an issue with management.  Have they another year left or are their 3 years up
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 02, 2023, 10:36:00 AM
    Only viable Management options with Tyrone links:
    Malachy O'Rourke (My personal preference, him and Porter be a fantastic ticket. Also would keep them out of the Derry job)
    Paddy Tally (Next best, would set up the team well and would be a good man working with the young players coming through from Under 20)
    Mickey Harte (Performance with Louth merits consideration but it would be a backword step)

    No one else inside the county has the CV or the stature for it. Although likes of Enda McGinley, Ricey, Collie Holmes etc would be great men to have on the backroom ticket.

    Would Tyrone look outside the county and move with the times? Jim McGuiness, Jim Gavin, Stephen Rochford?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on July 02, 2023, 10:48:08 AM
    Go get Jimmy.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 11:02:20 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on July 02, 2023, 10:36:00 AM
    Only viable Management options with Tyrone links:
    Malachy O'Rourke (My personal preference, him and Porter be a fantastic ticket. Also would keep them out of the Derry job)
    Paddy Tally (Next best, would set up the team well and would be a good man working with the young players coming through from Under 20)
    Mickey Harte (Performance with Louth merits consideration but it would be a backword step)

    No one else inside the county has the CV or the stature for it. Although likes of Enda McGinley, Ricey, Collie Holmes etc would be great men to have on the backroom ticket.

    Would Tyrone look outside the county and move with the times? Jim McGuiness, Jim Gavin, Stephen Rochford?

    Would like to get Steve on will back in as thought he worked wonders with McShane. Would also like to get Peter Donnelly back but not sure how viable that is.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 02, 2023, 11:33:35 AM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on July 02, 2023, 09:43:04 AM
    Not moaning rather trying to work out the following:

    How Mc Gearys Confidence has went to rock bottom following a POTY award
    The same for Mc Shane (who actually looked good when he came on yesterday)
    How T Mc Cann and Ruairi Brennan were surplus to requirements
    How probably the best forward in the county M Bradley was surplus to requirements
    Why so many players left the panel.

    Maybe im missing something?

    McGeary always felt like a patchy player to my memory and it just came together for him in 2021.

    I think McCann and R Brennan had had their fill. McCann had done a lot of travelling over the years for training. Neither were or should have been guaranteed starters or guaranteed to be brought on. I think McCann also has started a business? Bradley had left before and again similar situation, so I don't think it was a surprise. I don't think Tyrone needed another nippy small player yesterday. There were a lot of good players who left, but none who were calling out to start over who was already there. Since there were so many in that bracket, you wouldn't blame them for cutting their losses and ending on a high.

    McShane has had bad luck with injuries and hasn't looked sharp, especially in winter football. I think others have suggested that he and McCurry(?) make the same types of runs. It could be an issue of the ball being put into him. McShane was brilliant in 2019, if we can get him going again and build with the two Canavans around him, it would be a good place to start.

    Donaghy and Nathan Donnelly (even though he never impressed me) would be the ones which would be concerning.

    Every player can't start, but it's disappointing that we've had some forwards with great potential which hasn't been fulfilled like McAliskey, L. Brennan Donaghy, R. O'Neill etc. I think it's hard to keep guys happy. Not letting fringe players play for their clubs is probably an issue which should be looked at. If players are training and not playing, letting them play for their clubs would help them get the frustration out of their system.

    I've seen assumptions that something isn't right in the camp, but few rumours. I'd imagine a change of management is needed all the same. Tyrone persisted with Harte for too long and they shouldn't make the same mistake. There's enough good footballers there to be able to compete. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 02, 2023, 12:01:58 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 02, 2023, 11:33:35 AM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on July 02, 2023, 09:43:04 AM
    Not moaning rather trying to work out the following:

    How Mc Gearys Confidence has went to rock bottom following a POTY award
    The same for Mc Shane (who actually looked good when he came on yesterday)
    How T Mc Cann and Ruairi Brennan were surplus to requirements
    How probably the best forward in the county M Bradley was surplus to requirements
    Why so many players left the panel.

    Maybe im missing something?

    McGeary always felt like a patchy player to my memory and it just came together for him in 2021.

    I think McCann and R Brennan had had their fill. McCann had done a lot of travelling over the years for training. Neither were or should have been guaranteed starters or guaranteed to be brought on. I think McCann also has started a business? Bradley had left before and again similar situation, so I don't think it was a surprise. I don't think Tyrone needed another nippy small player yesterday. There were a lot of good players who left, but none who were calling out to start over who was already there. Since there were so many in that bracket, you wouldn't blame them for cutting their losses and ending on a high.

    McShane has had bad luck with injuries and hasn't looked sharp, especially in winter football. I think others have suggested that he and McCurry(?) make the same types of runs. It could be an issue of the ball being put into him. McShane was brilliant in 2019, if we can get him going again and build with the two Canavans around him, it would be a good place to start.

    Donaghy and Nathan Donnelly (even though he never impressed me) would be the ones which would be concerning.

    Every player can't start, but it's disappointing that we've had some forwards with great potential which hasn't been fulfilled like McAliskey, L. Brennan Donaghy, R. O'Neill etc. I think it's hard to keep guys happy. Not letting fringe players play for their clubs is probably an issue which should be looked at. If players are training and not playing, letting them play for their clubs would help them get the frustration out of their system.

    I've seen assumptions that something isn't right in the camp, but few rumours. I'd imagine a change of management is needed all the same. Tyrone persisted with Harte for too long and they shouldn't make the same mistake. There's enough good footballers there to be able to compete.

    Nathan Donnelly was similar to Cormac Munroe this year. Tried to give them a go but didnt seem to be at the level. Dropped and then left the panel. McAliskey had plenty of game time but not sure if the others ever did enough to demand more game time. It has proven difficult to keep lads on the panel for a squad roles.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 02, 2023, 12:33:22 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on July 02, 2023, 12:01:58 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 02, 2023, 11:33:35 AM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on July 02, 2023, 09:43:04 AM
    Not moaning rather trying to work out the following:

    How Mc Gearys Confidence has went to rock bottom following a POTY award
    The same for Mc Shane (who actually looked good when he came on yesterday)
    How T Mc Cann and Ruairi Brennan were surplus to requirements
    How probably the best forward in the county M Bradley was surplus to requirements
    Why so many players left the panel.

    Maybe im missing something?

    McGeary always felt like a patchy player to my memory and it just came together for him in 2021.

    I think McCann and R Brennan had had their fill. McCann had done a lot of travelling over the years for training. Neither were or should have been guaranteed starters or guaranteed to be brought on. I think McCann also has started a business? Bradley had left before and again similar situation, so I don't think it was a surprise. I don't think Tyrone needed another nippy small player yesterday. There were a lot of good players who left, but none who were calling out to start over who was already there. Since there were so many in that bracket, you wouldn't blame them for cutting their losses and ending on a high.

    McShane has had bad luck with injuries and hasn't looked sharp, especially in winter football. I think others have suggested that he and McCurry(?) make the same types of runs. It could be an issue of the ball being put into him. McShane was brilliant in 2019, if we can get him going again and build with the two Canavans around him, it would be a good place to start.

    Donaghy and Nathan Donnelly (even though he never impressed me) would be the ones which would be concerning.

    Every player can't start, but it's disappointing that we've had some forwards with great potential which hasn't been fulfilled like McAliskey, L. Brennan Donaghy, R. O'Neill etc. I think it's hard to keep guys happy. Not letting fringe players play for their clubs is probably an issue which should be looked at. If players are training and not playing, letting them play for their clubs would help them get the frustration out of their system.

    I've seen assumptions that something isn't right in the camp, but few rumours. I'd imagine a change of management is needed all the same. Tyrone persisted with Harte for too long and they shouldn't make the same mistake. There's enough good footballers there to be able to compete.

    Nathan Donnelly was similar to Cormac Munroe this year. Tried to give them a go but didnt seem to be at the level. Dropped and then left the panel. McAliskey had plenty of game time but not sure if the others ever did enough to demand more game time. It has proven difficult to keep lads on the panel for a squad roles.

    I don't think it was just game time. It was playing to forwards strengths and giving them confidence. McCurry has spoken about it, I think Canvanagh did. McCurry has shown what he can do when he is given confidence and trust by the team. McAliskey, R. O'Neill, Brennan, Bradley, McCurry and others all clearly had talent. You can say it was up to them, but none really put back to back good seasons. I think looking back the tactics of Harte were a big issue, there was a lack of quality for a while, but we had some good forwards. Most counties don't have that luck. We need to ask why wasn't the best being got out of them?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 02, 2023, 12:34:56 PM
    also the Tyrone club scene is second to none  in the country and if players are not getting any football with the county then they'd obviously find it difficult to sit and watch their club every week. They d rather be playing !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 02, 2023, 01:43:54 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 01, 2023, 11:35:31 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on July 01, 2023, 11:23:22 PM
    Simply put, Tyrone wouldn't have done that under Mickey. The side from 2015 were putrid and they were a point behind after 60mins. Forget not landing a punch, Tyrone didn't even throw one.

    You look at the other sides around the province. Monaghan, Armagh and Derry would all have less talent imo, yet you could argue all are superior.

    Tyrone got pummelled by Dublin under Harte. There's enough talent in Tyrone to not have to play limited football. Mickey never trusted or gave his forwards confidence after the 00s. Look how McCurry has performed since. O'Neill, McAliskey and others should have done more in the right environment.

    Think Dooher and Logan should probably go, but whatever the question is, Mickey isn't the answer.

    Indeed. Mickey had his time and it will never be forgotten but he stayed too long in the end and nobody should seriously contemplate going back to him.

    2021 wouldn't have happened had Mickey been in charge. His influence on that group was massive but it was clear that Logan and Dooher gave the team that crucial extra little bit of freedom and belief and it took them up a level. There was also real evidence at that point that Tyrone could improve still further. Unfortunately the team has lacked direction and identity ever since. You could make an argument for 2022 in a way given they had won an unexpected AI  and it was all new to players and management (was still very poor though) but no excuses for another rudderless season this year. Never looked like a team that really knew what it was doing. Too much of an ask after months of extremely patchy performances to think they could suddenly turn it on in Croke Park.

    If you had said Logan and Dooher would win 1 AI in a 3 year term most people would have been delighted. They earned their place in Tyrone GAA history. But the subsequent two years after that win were a mess and a change is certainly required.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on July 02, 2023, 04:43:49 PM
    McShane has struggled with injury and has not had a full pre season and clean league run since before the injury.

    Defensively we are all at sea and seem way behind other teams in conditioning.

    That and playing a non scoring HB and HF line

    Doogan allowed mcKenna a bit of freedom, but I remember an article that looked at the stats and made the point that that Harte's team kicked long more than the 2021 team, so the front foot stuff Doogan supposedly brought was a bit of a myth. I think they essentially got over the line making a few very small adjustments to Harte's team and have brought nothing to the party since.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 05:13:41 PM
    Quote from: tyroneman on July 02, 2023, 04:43:49 PM
    McShane has struggled with injury and has not had a full pre season and clean league run since before the injury.

    Defensively we are all at sea and seem way behind other teams in conditioning.

    That and playing a non scoring HB and HF line

    Doogan allowed mcKenna a bit of freedom, but I remember an article that looked at the stats and made the point that that Harte's team kicked long more than the 2021 team, so the front foot stuff Doogan supposedly brought was a bit of a myth. I think they essentially got over the line making a few very small adjustments to Harte's team and have brought nothing to the party since.

    Agree however those tweaks were vital. No way Tyrone win in 2021 with Mickey still there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on July 02, 2023, 07:01:49 PM
    Think there is a few barren years for a while regardless of who is management
    The Mattie Ds, Peter Hartes  etc are coming to an end as we saw yesterday - they will be hard to replace - yes there is talent but it could two or three years before it's ready to compete at top level.
    The 21 win was a team at its peak- the McGeary/ Donnelly / Bradley/ Meyler, Harte / etc  team - that had been in the final in 2018.
    Will take a bit of a rebuild job for whoever is there next year. Could mean a couple of barren years, but there is young talent emerging.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 02, 2023, 07:33:59 PM
    I'm pretty convinced the 2 Canavans will win us an all Ireland at some point in the next few years.

    Is there anyone else in the u20s worth a go next year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 02, 2023, 08:23:02 PM
    Think Clarshak said in another thread Kerry are bad losers and even worse winners.

    https://twitter.com/gaa__joe/status/1675577586905145344?s=46
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: CK_Redhand on July 02, 2023, 08:30:05 PM
    In life some people are bad losers. Some are bad winners. Some are just assholes.

    f**k RTE. The presenter and other pundits laughing along is a disgrace too. They need to issue an apology, I know this will never happen.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jimbop on July 02, 2023, 08:40:43 PM
    Ah lads lighten up a bit. He's only having a bit of craic.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 02, 2023, 08:58:45 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on July 02, 2023, 07:33:59 PM
    I'm pretty convinced the 2 Canavans will win us an all Ireland at some point in the next few years.

    Is there anyone else in the u20s worth a go next year?

    Liked the look of Niall Devlin and James donaghy but a big step up. It will be interesting who steps up In The club championship if anyone. Free scoring half backs and half forwards are a must.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: referee on July 02, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
    I think if Tyrone are serious they go all out to get M O R
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 09:28:27 PM
    Quote from: Jimbop on July 02, 2023, 08:40:43 PM
    Ah lads lighten up a bit. He's only having a bit of craic.

    It's a bit of Craic to people who haven't sufferer lost ones due to covid. The real irony that the twat missed is that it took a Tyrone man to teach Kerry how to win
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on July 02, 2023, 10:35:51 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on July 02, 2023, 09:28:27 PM
    Quote from: Jimbop on July 02, 2023, 08:40:43 PM
    Ah lads lighten up a bit. He's only having a bit of craic.

    It's a bit of Craic to people who haven't sufferer lost ones due to covid. The real irony that the twat missed is that it took a Tyrone man to teach Kerry how to win

    100% not enough focus on tally sorting kerry out who play football 'the right way'
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 03, 2023, 12:41:59 AM
    Quote from: referee on July 02, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
    I think if Tyrone are serious they go all out to get M O R
    Retweet
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 03, 2023, 12:44:17 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on July 02, 2023, 08:58:45 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on July 02, 2023, 07:33:59 PM
    I'm pretty convinced the 2 Canavans will win us an all Ireland at some point in the next few years.

    Is there anyone else in the u20s worth a go next year?

    Liked the look of Niall Devlin and James donaghy but a big step up. It will be interesting who steps up In The club championship if anyone. Free scoring half backs and half forwards are a must.
    ODonnell and Cush. Rafferty be next man but still U20
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 03, 2023, 08:37:03 AM
    O'Donnell played well when he came on on Saturday. Though he seems the same kind of player we have been producing the middle 8 for year in that Meyler/Harte/McGeary type of mould.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BIGONE on July 03, 2023, 08:58:45 AM
    Did Paddy Tally just tell the Kerry lads to leave McGeary and O'Neill free and allow them to have the ball as much as they wanted? No threat? Looked that way from the stand anyway #insideknowledge
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on July 03, 2023, 09:26:55 AM
    This has been a disastrous 2 years culminating with the performance at the weekend. I can't remember the last time we had 2 wins back to back - or 2 great performances back to back...someone will correct me on this but this is what it feels like.

    Average performances follow bad ones and so it goes.

    What has happened to McGeary? Why would so many players choose to leave an All-ireland winning team? 

    Having 2 Canavans on the team will only benefit Tyrone when the other 13 are playing well - and together as a team. It all looks very disjointed...

    2 good men on the management team no doubt about that - they just haven't been able to manage a winning Tyrone effectively for 2 years now.

    Need a new set of hands on the wheel - who that might be, Im not sure but there would be any number of men willing to put their name forward - McGuinness, O'Rourke are big non-Tyrone names but there are Tyrone men that would see themselves as fit for purpose that have had success managing teams at other inter county levels...Mickey Donnelly... Other past players too...O'Neill and McGinley...

    There are enough quality players in the county currently as well as those coming through that we should be completing better than we did on Saturday...the last 2 years have been poor. Time to shake things up a bit
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on July 03, 2023, 09:45:30 AM
    Tyrone have to bite the bullet and start giving other players a chance. We will probably lose games as player find their feet. The team needs freshened up. And I don't mean 20 mins as a sub, guys need to start and believe they have a realistic chance of starting in championship. If they don't think they're getting a look in they will walk away. The management seem to think that they have about 18 players and nobody else is worth consideration. Lads need to start and get a run in the team. If you're looking in and seeing the likes of McGeary start after some of the poor performances then you'd lose heart yourself.

    We need to find a reliable free taker from 35 yards out. We leave serious scores behind us. McCurry missed one that was right on the edge of his range and obv Morgan has about a 3% conversion rate.
    We need 2 half backs. A no.6 for sure.
    We will probably need a no.3 as well.

    We just have to give lads a run and see where it takes us.

    One small consolation was McShane's performance once he came on. Pity we'll not see him again until Jan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on July 03, 2023, 10:13:36 AM
    Out of interest how many players did Tyrone use in the championship? Must be close to 25?

    15 started at the weekend
    Oguz
    Burns
    Kelly
    Richie Donnelly
    Sludden
    Sean O'Donnell
    Clake
    McShane
    Devlin
    McGleenan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 03, 2023, 10:28:55 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on July 03, 2023, 10:13:36 AM
    Out of interest how many players did Tyrone use in the championship? Must be close to 25?

    15 started at the weekend
    Oguz - Can he make the step up? He has got the frame and the pace
    Burns
    Kelly
    Richie Donnelly
    Sludden
    Sean O'Donnell
    Clake - Will he be the new number 3?
    McShane
    Devlin - This year will have helped him
    McGleenan - Has he the legs? If he has what a handful half forward he would be
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 03, 2023, 10:32:10 AM
    Quote from: BIGONE on July 03, 2023, 08:58:45 AM
    Did Paddy Tally just tell the Kerry lads to leave McGeary and O'Neill free and allow them to have the ball as much as they wanted? No threat? Looked that way from the stand anyway #insideknowledge

    O'Neill was effective in 2021 in closing down space. He had 11 on his back but he never appeared in attack and indeed you'd need to be watching carefully to see what he contributed, but he put in a power of work and it was effective. Seeing him running with the ball in advanced positions early on Saturday was probably a sign things were already going wrong, surely that wasn't part of Tyrone's plan. If it was part of Kerry's it worked well, clearly that isn't O'Neill's game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 03, 2023, 10:48:35 AM
    The only player that consistently ran hard at the opposition defence all year was Michael McKernan. We need a few more playing with that kind of attitude.

    Kerry were clearly happy for O'Neill to have the ball on Saturday. He wasn't going to hurt them at all. In saying that I thought he has played OK in the past few games but can see why he would have his critics.

    I do think there will be a change in management. By accident or design there is an obvious favoured probably 14 players so maybe it will be a refresh for the whole squad to have a new set up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on July 03, 2023, 11:07:29 AM
    There is probably a transition period coming up, it was a scatty enough league and the facts are Tyrone played 5 championship matches this year and won only one.

    People got giddy over beating a Donegal squad who were in disarray this year, Saturday was a hammering and could have been more than 12 points.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on July 03, 2023, 12:08:50 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 03, 2023, 11:07:29 AM
    There is probably a transition period coming up, it was a scatty enough league and the facts are Tyrone played 5 championship matches this year and won only one.

    People got giddy over beating a Donegal squad who were in disarray this year, Saturday was a hammering and could have been more than 12 points.

    Played 6.

    Won 2 (Armagh & Donegal) , Drew 1 (Westmeath), Lost 3 (Monaghan, Galway, Kerry)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on July 03, 2023, 12:11:48 PM
    I wonder would Ciaran Meenagh and Paddy Tally make a compatible management team?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 03, 2023, 12:15:29 PM
    Quote from: referee on July 02, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
    I think if Tyrone are serious they go all out to get M O R

    100%.

    I cant think of one good reason why we wouldnt approach him.

    And there isnt a better candidate out there, realistically.

    O'Rourke as Manager, Porter as Coach. Would like to see someone like Enda McGinley in on the ticket too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on July 03, 2023, 12:47:47 PM
    I said before the game that we would not know where the players are until after the Kerry match. There was so much hype or false hope in the county that we felt we were better than we were, the performances did not lie.
    2021 was a phenomenal All Ireland win but it softened us up and realised lifetime ambitions that many did not think they were going to achieve despite being there for many seasons. I would take the last 2 average years for that one Sam. I think the team picked was as good as we had to offer except for a couple. I think we were eventually blown off the pitch by a much better group of footballers at this stage in their career. Certainly not 2 years previously. Kerry were superb, we were found out, all our weaknesses in playing style and player profiles were exposed, as a bad day out in Croke Park tends to do, and I think all involved in making 21 happen, must be given time to consider how things can be changed, freshened up and who can offer something in the future.  People are talking management as is inevitable, people are talking players as is inevitable, however it can be the jolt they all need to see what they can do. I would be in favour of the existing management taking this experience and bringing in whatever now coaching help they need. They run the rule over the club season and go for new trials based on key performers this year.  If current management step aside, an all Ireland capable experience is lost. Let them propose a new way forward as they are best placed to do so and one thing is for sure, they will only do what they feel is in the best interests of Tyrone football.     
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on July 03, 2023, 03:14:43 PM
    I hear where you're coming from but at the same time I don't want to be like some counties holding on to unsuccessful managers for too long
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on July 03, 2023, 04:53:50 PM
    Good post rrhf and agree with a lot of that.
    It's interesting that both Mickey Harte and D&L both won an AI in their first year.
    As Dooher said himself after the 21 final, a lot of that team had been together for a long time before and had got to a final in 2018 and a few semis.
    So maybe the new management bounce coupled with experience and a lot of hard work, huge hunger and good teamwork we went from a top four team to winning it outright.
    We definitely rode our luck along the way and surprised Kerry that day. We suddenly started scoring goals and benefited from Mayo not playing with a heavy blanket in the final.

    Since then though I think a lot of the hunger was satisfied (even the fans backed off a lot) and there was never the same drive or passion that we saw from several players in 2021. That high octane workrate was gone and you could see that on Saturday although part of that was probably playing 3 weeks on the trot which was their own fault again.

    I think this group of players feel the achieved what they wanted and it is a HUGE ask to go through that year on year as we saw with so many leaving the panel to either travel or play club football or just live their normal lives.

    Every time we have won the AI, Kerry have won it the year after which I think speaks volumes for how much it means to them.
    O'Connor went out of his way this time to bring in external men to get the best backroom team possible and they certainly got their defence sorted out last year and again on Saturday. We couldn't get the ball into our FF line at all and they turned us over time and time again like we did to them in 2021. I think a lot of us including a lot of media pundits believed the hype that Tyrone get under Kerry's skin and we raise our game massively. Well we didn't do that on Sat and haven't really done it all year.

    I think Kerry and Dublin are at a different level and we did get there in 2021 but we've fallen badly back down again.
    I would have been happy enough getting to a semi this year but alas we met an angry hurt team that owed us one and put us back in our place. As someone said they have won 4 of the last 5 championship meetings so maybe we need to realise that we're not their bogey team any more.

    The main thing that disappointed me about this year was the lack of direction or system we seemed to play. It often seemed very sporadic and the lack of long high ball into the FF line even though we rotated the big men in there. The future looks hopeful with the Canavans, Dazza there a while more, hopefully McShane coming back to some form, McGleenan, Cush and the other U20 lads getting more chances.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on July 03, 2023, 07:05:48 PM
    The list of names from club football that could be brought in wouldn't be massive off the top of my head which is a concern. A lot of the best players in the county have already been in and out of squads. Squad looked very thin this year all of a sudden. I hope we can regroup quickly but it's been a second lacklustre season on the bounce.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on July 03, 2023, 11:13:23 PM
    The big but in change from players will be the return to clubs of unplayed or low played panellists. There is a belief that players learn their Trade  at club senior football level and need club football to stay fresh..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on July 04, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
    First thing that needs to happen, no matter who is in charge, is that Tyrone coaches shouldn't be double jobbing with clubs. Tyrone at times this year didn't look sharp, looked jaded. Energy comes from coaching, if coaches burnt out due to clubs then it affects players. 100% focus needs to be on county, players are asked to remove themselves from clubs during county season so why is it acceptable for coaches not to do the same?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Christmas Lights on July 04, 2023, 01:22:45 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on July 04, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
    First thing that needs to happen, no matter who is in charge, is that Tyrone coaches shouldn't be double jobbing with clubs. Tyrone at times this year didn't look sharp, looked jaded. Energy comes from coaching, if coaches burnt out due to clubs then it affects players. 100% focus needs to be on county, players are asked to remove themselves from clubs during county season so why is it acceptable for coaches not to do the same?

    Totally agree with this.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on July 04, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on July 04, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
    First thing that needs to happen, no matter who is in charge, is that Tyrone coaches shouldn't be double jobbing with clubs. Tyrone at times this year didn't look sharp, looked jaded. Energy comes from coaching, if coaches burnt out due to clubs then it affects players. 100% focus needs to be on county, players are asked to remove themselves from clubs during county season so why is it acceptable for coaches not to do the same?

    I thought club cloaches would be with county until they're out of championship...then go back into club coaching?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on July 04, 2023, 01:55:01 PM
    Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 04, 2023, 01:22:45 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on July 04, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
    First thing that needs to happen, no matter who is in charge, is that Tyrone coaches shouldn't be double jobbing with clubs. Tyrone at times this year didn't look sharp, looked jaded. Energy comes from coaching, if coaches burnt out due to clubs then it affects players. 100% focus needs to be on county, players are asked to remove themselves from clubs during county season so why is it acceptable for coaches not to do the same?

    Totally agree with this.

    Agree totally on this. In fact, I believe the coaches have got off lightly in view of the season we have just had. The blame is pointed at Logan & Dooher but the coaches have to accept responsibilities also - they plan the sessions, do the coaching, the conditioning....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on July 04, 2023, 02:30:57 PM
    there should be a overhaul anyway..the backroom team has been there 3 years..should be natural attrition t this stage
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on July 16, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
    Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
    Quote from: Stan on July 16, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
    Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

    In terms of footballing ability we aren't that far behind but a massive change in attitude is required.
    Another season of going through the motions would be unacceptable and if that means dropping guys from the panel like McGeary, Burns, O'Neill and Sludden who all seem content with 1 All-Ireland then so be it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on July 16, 2023, 06:32:19 PM
    The panel is the problem.  The best players in the county aren't on it.  You can accept a couple of drop outs for different reasons but a whole raft is unacceptable.  If they can sort this out then they can start sorting things on the pitch better
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on July 16, 2023, 08:37:35 PM
    You'd look at that game today and think Derry definitely would have beaten us by 6 minimum again this year in the championship.

    Much faster in transition and hungrier.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 16, 2023, 09:27:30 PM
    Any word on management? Surely half forwards in Tyrone can kick points and track men?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2023, 10:24:40 PM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on July 16, 2023, 08:37:35 PM
    You'd look at that game today and think Derry definitely would have beaten us by 6 minimum again this year in the championship.

    Much faster in transition and hungrier.

    Hard to argue with that assessment, in reality.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on July 16, 2023, 10:28:07 PM
    Who knows. The 3 games in 3 weeks was prob a big factor again Kerry
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on July 16, 2023, 10:52:13 PM
    I hadn't really factored this into tyrones performance.  Need to be aiming for an Ulster title or final appearance next year in advance of group stages
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on July 16, 2023, 11:27:19 PM
    Nearly sure Monaghan played 3 weeks in a row also and actually won their 3rd game after ET. Possibly we are reading too much into although admittedly, every week break you get allows injuries to recover.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on July 17, 2023, 12:09:37 AM
    Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2023, 10:24:40 PM
    Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on July 16, 2023, 08:37:35 PM
    You'd look at that game today and think Derry definitely would have beaten us by 6 minimum again this year in the championship.

    Much faster in transition and hungrier.

    Hard to argue with that assessment, in reality.
    I've never seen Derry play as well. They went positive.. but for the first time lads...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on July 17, 2023, 06:59:58 AM
    Yeah they were the only team that won and that was a pen shoot out against a team much on a par to them. There is no way Mayo are 12 points off Dublin. The 3 games in 3 weeks is certainly a factor, as mentioned by Comer on Sunday game yesterday

    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 16, 2023, 11:35:04 PM
    I could give some credit to the 3 weeks in a row thing if Tyrone hadn't served up total shite for the last 2 years.
    It wasn't as though this performance was an outlier. It was quintessential.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 17, 2023, 08:37:08 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
    Quote from: Stan on July 16, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
    Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

    In terms of footballing ability we aren't that far behind but a massive change in attitude is required.
    Another season of going through the motions would be unacceptable and if that means dropping guys from the panel like McGeary, Burns, O'Neill and Sludden who all seem content with 1 All-Ireland then so be it.

    As in Michael O'Neill is going through the motions? Not sure what you are watching there. Correct on the other three.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on July 17, 2023, 08:58:54 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 17, 2023, 08:37:08 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
    Quote from: Stan on July 16, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
    Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

    In terms of footballing ability we aren't that far behind but a massive change in attitude is required.
    Another season of going through the motions would be unacceptable and if that means dropping guys from the panel like McGeary, Burns, O'Neill and Sludden who all seem content with 1 All-Ireland then so be it.

    As in Michael O'Neill is going through the motions? Not sure what you are watching there. Correct on the other three.
    Perhaps not going through the motions, but just is not up to the standard required at the top level, which is perhaps is the managements fault for constantly playing him. Not sure what he adds
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on July 17, 2023, 09:00:50 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 17, 2023, 08:58:54 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 17, 2023, 08:37:08 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
    Quote from: Stan on July 16, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
    Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

    In terms of footballing ability we aren't that far behind but a massive change in attitude is required.
    Another season of going through the motions would be unacceptable and if that means dropping guys from the panel like McGeary, Burns, O'Neill and Sludden who all seem content with 1 All-Ireland then so be it.

    As in Michael O'Neill is going through the motions? Not sure what you are watching there. Correct on the other three.
    Perhaps not going through the motions, but just is not up to the standard required at the top level, which is perhaps is the managements fault for constantly playing him. Not sure what he adds

    He would be involved in those turnovers where Tyrone swarm an attacker and force them to over carry.

    Likes a good aul roar in the opponents face too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on July 17, 2023, 09:17:51 AM
    Let's play him midfield then.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on July 17, 2023, 09:22:23 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2023, 09:00:50 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 17, 2023, 08:58:54 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 17, 2023, 08:37:08 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
    Quote from: Stan on July 16, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
    Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

    In terms of footballing ability we aren't that far behind but a massive change in attitude is required.
    Another season of going through the motions would be unacceptable and if that means dropping guys from the panel like McGeary, Burns, O'Neill and Sludden who all seem content with 1 All-Ireland then so be it.

    As in Michael O'Neill is going through the motions? Not sure what you are watching there. Correct on the other three.
    Perhaps not going through the motions, but just is not up to the standard required at the top level, which is perhaps is the managements fault for constantly playing him. Not sure what he adds

    He would be involved in those turnovers where Tyrone swarm an attacker and force them to over carry.

    Likes a good aul roar in the opponents face too.
    And therin lies the problem
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 17, 2023, 10:30:18 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 17, 2023, 09:22:23 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2023, 09:00:50 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 17, 2023, 08:58:54 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 17, 2023, 08:37:08 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
    Quote from: Stan on July 16, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
    Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

    In terms of footballing ability we aren't that far behind but a massive change in attitude is required.
    Another season of going through the motions would be unacceptable and if that means dropping guys from the panel like McGeary, Burns, O'Neill and Sludden who all seem content with 1 All-Ireland then so be it.

    As in Michael O'Neill is going through the motions? Not sure what you are watching there. Correct on the other three.
    Perhaps not going through the motions, but just is not up to the standard required at the top level, which is perhaps is the managements fault for constantly playing him. Not sure what he adds

    He would be involved in those turnovers where Tyrone swarm an attacker and force them to over carry.

    Likes a good aul roar in the opponents face too.
    And therin lies the problem

    Not at the standard? He was 6 all year when Tyrone won the All Ireland. We're from a county that aren't exactly short on good footballers either so it isn't as if he didn't warrant his place there. 

    Appreciate he didn't have a good game against Kerry. They seemed to deliberately let him carry possession and he gave it away often. But I'd argue management should have rotated things to get, for example, Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte in to MO'N's role instead when they seen who Kerry were tagging. 

    There will be a rush to say "those guys aren't good enough anymore, bring in the U20's" but Tyrone aren't getting back to the top table again by throwing the baby out with the bath water and ditching players like Michael O'Neill.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Stan on July 17, 2023, 10:39:38 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 17, 2023, 10:30:18 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 17, 2023, 09:22:23 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2023, 09:00:50 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on July 17, 2023, 08:58:54 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 17, 2023, 08:37:08 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
    Quote from: Stan on July 16, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
    Two great semi-finals over the weekend. How far behind are we? Two really bad years football for Tyrone...what next?

    In terms of footballing ability we aren't that far behind but a massive change in attitude is required.
    Another season of going through the motions would be unacceptable and if that means dropping guys from the panel like McGeary, Burns, O'Neill and Sludden who all seem content with 1 All-Ireland then so be it.

    As in Michael O'Neill is going through the motions? Not sure what you are watching there. Correct on the other three.
    Perhaps not going through the motions, but just is not up to the standard required at the top level, which is perhaps is the managements fault for constantly playing him. Not sure what he adds

    He would be involved in those turnovers where Tyrone swarm an attacker and force them to over carry.

    Likes a good aul roar in the opponents face too.
    And therin lies the problem

    Not at the standard? He was 6 all year when Tyrone won the All Ireland. We're from a county that aren't exactly short on good footballers either so it isn't as if he didn't warrant his place there. 

    Appreciate he didn't have a good game against Kerry. They seemed to deliberately let him carry possession and he gave it away often. But I'd argue management should have rotated things to get, for example, Matty Donnelly or Petey Harte in to MO'N's role instead when they seen who Kerry were tagging. 

    There will be a rush to say "those guys aren't good enough anymore, bring in the U20's" but Tyrone aren't getting back to the top table again by throwing the baby out with the bath water and ditching players like Michael O'Neill.

    Tyrone have the players - on the current panel, on the fringes and coming through the ranks - to compete in semi-finals and finals. No way that we would have beaten any of those 4 teams playing at the weekend.

    Management team isn't right in my opinion - the last 2 years have yielded the worst performances by far and its hard to see what they are building up to.

    Too many good men have left the panel...too many men on the panel under performing...feels like we have been going backwards rater than using our win to move us forward
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:17 AM
    I'm surprised the management havnt stepped down by now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on July 17, 2023, 11:15:00 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:17 AM
    I'm surprised the management havnt stepped down by now.

    Is their term up this year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
    Quote from: sensethetone on July 17, 2023, 11:15:00 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:17 AM
    I'm surprised the management havnt stepped down by now.

    Is their term up this year?

    yes, 3 year term complete.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on July 17, 2023, 11:27:30 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
    Quote from: sensethetone on July 17, 2023, 11:15:00 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:17 AM
    I'm surprised the management havnt stepped down by now.

    Is their term up this year?

    yes, 3 year term complete.

    have you heard they left this morning? probably untrue.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:30:29 AM
    Quote from: sensethetone on July 17, 2023, 11:27:30 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
    Quote from: sensethetone on July 17, 2023, 11:15:00 AM
    Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:17 AM
    I'm surprised the management havnt stepped down by now.

    Is their term up this year?

    yes, 3 year term complete.

    have you heard they left this morning? probably untrue.

    No not heard that
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on July 17, 2023, 05:33:49 PM
    Chatter that they want another 2 years.....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on July 17, 2023, 07:07:19 PM
    Honestly don't think they've done enough to merit that.  Done a great job to win the all ireland but something seriously wrong the way we've been playing
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on July 17, 2023, 07:51:48 PM
    I think 1 AI in three years and remaining in Div 1 throughout that time  - gives enough credit in bank.
    It will be a bit of a rebuild job regardless of who is in the hot seat.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on July 17, 2023, 10:19:17 PM
    I have already said it in this thread but regardless of who the management team is they all must be 100% committed to Tyrone cause and if coaches aren't willing to give up club commitments during county season then find suitable candidates that will.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 20, 2023, 11:10:29 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on July 17, 2023, 07:51:48 PM
    I think 1 AI in three years and remaining in Div 1 throughout that time  - gives enough credit in bank.
    It will be a bit of a rebuild job regardless of who is in the hot seat.

    On the surface that looks very good and well worth another term. In reality after year one - and winning that AI was a magnificent effort - Tyrone have been a mess and regressed massively. I could accept a couple of mediocre seasons in other circumstances but there has been no sign of any cohesive plan unfortunately and the team has under performed hugely given the quality of player available. Sorry to say it but I don't see any evidence at all to suggest the current management team deserve more time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:04:03 AM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 20, 2023, 11:10:29 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on July 17, 2023, 07:51:48 PM
    I think 1 AI in three years and remaining in Div 1 throughout that time  - gives enough credit in bank.
    It will be a bit of a rebuild job regardless of who is in the hot seat.

    On the surface that looks very good and well worth another term. In reality after year one - and winning that AI was a magnificent effort - Tyrone have been a mess and regressed massively. I could accept a couple of mediocre seasons in other circumstances but there has been no sign of any cohesive plan unfortunately and the team has under performed hugely given the quality of player available. Sorry to say it but I don't see any evidence at all to suggest the current management team deserve more time.

    Blasé BS. Why don't you get down to the soecific of why the management are to blame and not the players.
    You talk about quality of players.
    Should  they have won an All Ireland this year  under different management ?
    Should players have been played in different positions}
    Should other players have been played iand where? 
    Tell us why we didn't win the All Ireland this year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 12:53:04 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:04:03 AM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 20, 2023, 11:10:29 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on July 17, 2023, 07:51:48 PM
    I think 1 AI in three years and remaining in Div 1 throughout that time  - gives enough credit in bank.
    It will be a bit of a rebuild job regardless of who is in the hot seat.

    On the surface that looks very good and well worth another term. In reality after year one - and winning that AI was a magnificent effort - Tyrone have been a mess and regressed massively. I could accept a couple of mediocre seasons in other circumstances but there has been no sign of any cohesive plan unfortunately and the team has under performed hugely given the quality of player available. Sorry to say it but I don't see any evidence at all to suggest the current management team deserve more time.

    Blasé BS. Why don't you get down to the soecific of why the management are to blame and not the players.
    You talk about quality of players.
    Should  they have won an All Ireland this year  under different management ?
    Should players have been played in different positions}
    Should other players have been played iand where? 
    Tell us why we didn't win the All Ireland this year
    It's been two bad years. We're not just taking about not winning an AI in the last two years. We haven't been competitive at all. The players will shoulder some blame but so do the management. The number of players leaving the panel, the lack of confidence that good established players have shown, Our slowness at breaking with the ball, are all aspects I would say can be pointed at the management.
    I think it's time for a change.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on July 21, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    Daragh was asked a direct question. He could hardly have said anything else.
    You appear to be trying to absolve management of all blame.
    I am not party to the day to day going on's in Garvaghey but the number of players walking away over the past 2 years does not indicate a happy camp. Players need to believe in what they are doing to invest the time and it would appear not enough players are being convinced.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on July 21, 2023, 08:44:00 AM
    You couldn't say a bad word about Dooher and Logan in terms of what they've done for Tyrone football. They've done a lot for football in the county and no one can take away from what they've achieved.

    Do I think they should stay on? No, definitely not. The last two years have been mediocre and they had two bad years with the u21s outside the All Ireland win as well. I just can't see them turning it round from here with so many players already making themselves unavailable and all momentum seems to be lost. Tyrone looked far off it in terms of conditioning as well the last two years which is another area needs looked at.

    The biggest problem would be who to replace them. There isn't many obvious candidates in the county and it's hard to imagine Malachy O'Rourke taking it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on July 21, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
    Certainly seems to be a big step down in terms of physical ability since Peter Donnelly was replaced by McElhome.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 21, 2023, 08:53:06 AM
    Ciaran Meenagh anyone? The way Derry set up and played against Kerry was light years ahead of what we attempted 2 weeks previously. He does seem to have a big allegiance to Derry though so again probably unlikely.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 09:10:01 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 21, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    Daragh was asked a direct question. He could hardly have said anything else.
    You appear to be trying to absolve management of all blame.
    I am not party to the day to day going on's in Garvaghey but the number of players walking away over the past 2 years does not indicate a happy camp. Players need to believe in what they are doing to invest the time and it would appear not enough players are being convinced.

    Are you suggesting that Daragh wasn't being honest ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on July 21, 2023, 09:11:33 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 09:10:01 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 21, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    Daragh was asked a direct question. He could hardly have said anything else.
    You appear to be trying to absolve management of all blame.
    I am not party to the day to day going on's in Garvaghey but the number of players walking away over the past 2 years does not indicate a happy camp. Players need to believe in what they are doing to invest the time and it would appear not enough players are being convinced.

    Are you suggesting that Daragh wasn't being honest ?

    He's not actually the son of god you know??
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 21, 2023, 09:11:39 AM
    Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 21, 2023, 08:44:00 AM
    You couldn't say a bad word about Dooher and Logan in terms of what they've done for Tyrone football. They've done a lot for football in the county and no one can take away from what they've achieved.

    Do I think they should stay on? No, definitely not. The last two years have been mediocre and they had two bad years with the u21s outside the All Ireland win as well. I just can't see them turning it round from here with so many players already making themselves unavailable and all momentum seems to be lost. Tyrone looked far off it in terms of conditioning as well the last two years which is another area needs looked at.

    The biggest problem would be who to replace them. There isn't many obvious candidates in the county and it's hard to imagine Malachy O'Rourke taking it.

    Agree 100%
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on July 21, 2023, 09:39:37 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 09:10:01 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 21, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    Daragh was asked a direct question. He could hardly have said anything else.
    You appear to be trying to absolve management of all blame.
    I am not party to the day to day going on's in Garvaghey but the number of players walking away over the past 2 years does not indicate a happy camp. Players need to believe in what they are doing to invest the time and it would appear not enough players are being convinced.

    Are you suggesting that Daragh wasn't being honest ?
    I don't know if he is happy or not. Whilst he is part of the panel and they are the Management he could say nothing else without scuppering his future chances.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 21, 2023, 09:45:46 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on July 21, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
    Certainly seems to be a big step down in terms of physical ability since Peter Donnelly was replaced by McElhome.

    I'd suggest this is a major factor in Tyrone being bossed in the athletic stakes towards the business end of the year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 09:55:02 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 09:10:01 AM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 21, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    Daragh was asked a direct question. He could hardly have said anything else.
    You appear to be trying to absolve management of all blame.
    I am not party to the day to day going on's in Garvaghey but the number of players walking away over the past 2 years does not indicate a happy camp. Players need to believe in what they are doing to invest the time and it would appear not enough players are being convinced.

    Are you suggesting that Daragh wasn't being honest ?

    Jimbob, have a bit of sense lol. Maybe he does genuinely want them to stay on, maybe he doesn't. The point is: WTF do you expect him (or any serving player) to say in an interview when asked if they want their current manager to remain in position other than yes ffs!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 21, 2023, 10:12:45 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 21, 2023, 09:45:46 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on July 21, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
    Certainly seems to be a big step down in terms of physical ability since Peter Donnelly was replaced by McElhome.

    I'd suggest this is a major factor in Tyrone being bossed in the athletic stakes towards the business end of the year.

    Agree. They dont seem to be as well conditioned as they used to be. Bring back peter or the rubgy guy who replaced him under mickey, cant remember his name now. I do remember the lads thinking highly of him.

    Would like to see steve O'Neill back as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Keyboard Warrior on July 21, 2023, 10:38:42 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on July 21, 2023, 10:12:45 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 21, 2023, 09:45:46 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on July 21, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
    Certainly seems to be a big step down in terms of physical ability since Peter Donnelly was replaced by McElhome.

    I'd suggest this is a major factor in Tyrone being bossed in the athletic stakes towards the business end of the year.

    Agree. They dont seem to be as well conditioned as they used to be. Bring back peter or the rubgy guy who replaced him under mickey, cant remember his name now. I do remember the lads thinking highly of him.

    Would like to see steve O'Neill back as well.

    Jonny Davis - I think he is with Down now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on July 21, 2023, 12:13:42 PM
    I don't think anyone is demanding an All Ireland every year. What you would expect from an established top county like Tyrone is to be at least competing most years. This last two years we have been miles of it. Hammered by Derry and Armagh last year and struggled past Fermanagh. This year beaten at home to Monaghan and drew with Westmeath before being miles of it v Kerry. The form has been atrocious over the last two years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

    Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on July 21, 2023, 12:31:33 PM
    Think the players have been vocal in looking them to stay on. That's a number who have come out now - most recently Meyler, Hampsey, Morgan and Canavan in recent interviews
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 21, 2023, 12:31:49 PM
    Quote from: the_daddy on July 21, 2023, 11:07:01 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on July 21, 2023, 10:12:45 AM
    Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on July 21, 2023, 09:45:46 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on July 21, 2023, 08:50:36 AM
    Certainly seems to be a big step down in terms of physical ability since Peter Donnelly was replaced by McElhome.

    I'd suggest this is a major factor in Tyrone being bossed in the athletic stakes towards the business end of the year.

    Agree. They dont seem to be as well conditioned as they used to be. Bring back peter or the rubgy guy who replaced him under mickey, cant remember his name now. I do remember the lads thinking highly of him.

    Would like to see steve O'Neill back as well.

    Peter Donnelly was still there in 2022 and they didn't look to be firing on all cylinders then either.

    He had more or less started to step away then. Don't think he was a regular face in 2022 behind the scenes.

    The drop off in standards between 2021 and 2022 and then on has been shocking.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 01:07:14 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

    Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !
    Stop trying to make straw man arguments. I didn't think they would win an AI given their performance last year. But given they won it 2 years ago, should that have been such an outrageous thought? But I did expect much more than they delivered over that last 2 years.
    I also said the players need to shoulder some responsibility. But you want to remove any responsibility from the management. I don't agree with that and believe they were as much at fault. We have been as uncompetitive over the last two years as any two years in the last 20. And that's with an AI winning squad. Blame the players by all means. But the management are a factor as well.
    I
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 01:07:14 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

    Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

    I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on July 21, 2023, 01:51:17 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !
    You seem very convinced it is not a Management issue. Are you laying the blame entirely on the players?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on July 21, 2023, 02:27:53 PM
    The volume of players dropping off has been unprecedented. Even on the cusp of championship action, men were walking away

    As mentioned by others above... the drop off in intensity levels, endurance & conditioning is clear to be seen (when did we last finish a game strongly, bar Kerry in the league this year?)
    Even games that we did win, say Armagh in the group stages... we should have had the game put to bed with 20mins to play, and ended up hanging on looking at the clock

    Some players cannot be dropped it seems. Definite favoritism doesn't bode well for panel harmony

    But the biggest concern for me is the defensive set up. I have absolutely no faith at all in the men in charge been able to set us up correctly at the back for the big games.  Before someone shouts what about 2021 - lads that was Hartes established defense with a few genial tweaks by Fergal and Brian.

    Last year they got a bye ball and we told ourselves it was a hangover from Sam. But even as far back as January (McKenna cup final) it was clear the same old issues remained. Men easily pulled out of position, and wide open in the centre of defence. As the year progressed, we ended up conceding 1-18 against Monaghan and 0-18 against Westmeath in championship football. The same old mistakes been made time and again. If there was a plan in place to address that, it was not visible.
    Tactics wise, we were going man on man in games and instances when there was absolutely no need. And we paid for it.

    Dooher & Logan are two hero's for what they have done for Tyrone football. But the time to step aside was a fortnight ago
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on July 21, 2023, 03:40:11 PM
    They kept Div 1 football for three years - won an AI win an Ulster title
    Be careful what u wish for, next manager in could be Div 2 or Talitan cup very easily
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 04:30:32 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 01:07:14 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

    Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

    I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 04:32:10 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on July 21, 2023, 01:51:17 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !
    You seem very convinced it is not a Management issue. Are you laying the blame entirely on the players?

    Not blaming anyone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 05:40:35 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 04:30:32 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 01:07:14 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

    Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

    I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,
    Therefore highlights how stupid bringing up Darragh's comments are.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 08:11:34 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 05:40:35 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 04:30:32 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 01:07:14 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

    Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

    I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,
    Therefore highlights how stupid bringing up Darragh's comments are.

    Doesn't even remotely compare. Darragh said what he said and who is anyone to question whether he was being dishonest with the reporter. HE even mentioned other players as well who has a similar mind to himself.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 08:23:53 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 08:11:34 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 05:40:35 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 04:30:32 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 01:07:14 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

    Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

    I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,
    Therefore highlights how stupid bringing up Darragh's comments are.

    Doesn't even remotely compare. Darragh said what he said and who is anyone to question whether he was being dishonest with the reporter. HE even mentioned other players as well who has a similar mind to himself.
    Do you still not understand Snapchat's point?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 11:44:21 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 08:23:53 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 08:11:34 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 05:40:35 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 04:30:32 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 01:07:14 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on July 21, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:59:58 AM
    And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

    Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you
    I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

    You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

    Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

    I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

    Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,
    Therefore highlights how stupid bringing up Darragh's comments are.

    Doesn't even remotely compare. Darragh said what he said and who is anyone to question whether he was being dishonest with the reporter. HE even mentioned other players as well who has a similar mind to himself.
    Do you still not understand Snapchat's point?

    Naw. What did he/she say. ? Couldn't be arsed looking back ???
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on July 22, 2023, 12:52:16 AM
    As an aside, I think one of the Irish woman's soccer team last week, maybe the captain, was asked about would she be happy if Vera stayed on in the job and she was very luke warm about her staying on.

    Vera, the manager, was sitting next to here.  :o
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 22, 2023, 01:45:17 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 21, 2023, 12:04:03 AM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 20, 2023, 11:10:29 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on July 17, 2023, 07:51:48 PM
    I think 1 AI in three years and remaining in Div 1 throughout that time  - gives enough credit in bank.
    It will be a bit of a rebuild job regardless of who is in the hot seat.

    On the surface that looks very good and well worth another term. In reality after year one - and winning that AI was a magnificent effort - Tyrone have been a mess and regressed massively. I could accept a couple of mediocre seasons in other circumstances but there has been no sign of any cohesive plan unfortunately and the team has under performed hugely given the quality of player available. Sorry to say it but I don't see any evidence at all to suggest the current management team deserve more time.

    Blasé BS. Why don't you get down to the soecific of why the management are to blame and not the players.
    You talk about quality of players.
    Should  they have won an All Ireland this year  under different management ?
    Should players have been played in different positions}
    Should other players have been played iand where? 
    Tell us why we didn't win the All Ireland this year

    I didn't expect Tyrone to win an All Ireland this year. I did hope to see a well organised team compared to the shambles of last year, a team that would compete well in league and championship. We all know the talent is there and if Tyrone play as they can then they can give any team in the country a game. Instead it was much the same as last year, listless and no obvious gameplan. The only two real positive performances were Kerry in the league and Donegal in the Championship, and Donegal were a mess. We lost in the first round of Ulster from a position of strength. Galway I'll excuse as Frank Burns sold the jerseys. Armagh we almost threw away against 14 men, from a position of strength. Westmeath was a very lucky escape, again when the game was effectively won a few minutes earlier. Then Donegal which gave some false hope, then an embarrassing collapse against Kerry.

    You can blame the players if you want, perhaps some did indeed lack the same desire. There was a lack of leadership on the field at times and too often it fell to Mattie Donnelly in particular and a couple of notable others to provide that. Management didn't help on occasion by replacing these leaders with rookies at key times. Even knackered leaders had more to offer in seeing out games. But others on the field need to step up. Ultimately however, it's the responsibility of the management to prepare the team, provide leadership and ensure they get something close to the best out of the players they have at their disposal. Tyrone the last two years were considerably less than the sum of their parts. We didn't expect All Irelands but we didn't expect a string of shambolic performances either. If you believe this was acceptable then fair enough but I'm yet to see anybody make a credible case for the management team getting another chance based on how poor Tyrone have been post 2021. Have a shot if you want and be as specific as you like.

    As for the point about Darragh, it's utterly moronic to think he was going to say anything else.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 22, 2023, 03:05:47 PM
    Good to see that you recognise that it wasn't just a management problem
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on July 22, 2023, 07:51:32 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on July 22, 2023, 03:05:47 PM
    Good to see that you recognise that it wasn't just a management problem
    Good to see you recognise that Management are a part of the problem.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 22, 2023, 08:24:30 PM
    Great to know that we have some outstanding candidates ,who post here , for the job if indeed they decide to step down.
    A few men on here know the problem and how it can be solved. Hopefully one of them will take over and we can all look forward to glorious days in Croke Park. Armchair experts 🙄🙄🙄
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on July 22, 2023, 08:37:42 PM
    Agreed. Probably have photos on their fridge with their arms around them less than 2 years ago..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on July 22, 2023, 08:44:56 PM
    The logic of the previous 2 posts is certainly interesting to say the least.

    It's a discussion board. People are allowed to express an opinion aren't they?

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on July 27, 2023, 01:40:31 PM
    https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-managers-feargal-logan-brian-27405295

    Discuss 🤓
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on July 27, 2023, 01:47:34 PM
    Paul Devlin also looking another 3 years with the Under 20s. 2023 has to be one of the most disappointing years ever for Tyrone in that Minor U20 and Senior all had years to forget. Freshening up of management at all 3 levels would do no harm. Especially with the crop at U20 level for the next two years being all those involved with the successful schools teams - vital for Tyrone seniors future that the U20s are handled correctly to bring through these players.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on July 27, 2023, 02:05:34 PM
    Both management teams have won AI titles in the last three years. Both deserve to stay on if they wish, with maybe come new coaches in
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on July 27, 2023, 02:21:12 PM
    I wouldn't be completely opposed to them staying on. They're both intelligent and determined fellas. They obviously believe they can get Tyrone going.  They've done it which very few can say.

    That said, if they do stay, I would expect that the board, the management and players have a full and honest examination of what's been going wrong, what needs to improve and what needs to be shaken up. There's enough talent in Tyrone that we should be competitive and winning all Irelands regularly. There mustn't be drift. Also questions must be asked why so many talented players are dropping off the panel and if it's something than can be helped or is it just players don't fancy it (which is understandable given the commitment required), would allowing the more peripheral members to play club help keep them on board?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on July 27, 2023, 02:30:47 PM
    Winning an AI in your first year shouldn't mean a 6 year stretch in management with no questions asked. Any serious County, like Kerry or Dublin, would not allow that in this era.

    There has to be upward progression and what we've seen to date after 2021 has been regression and stagnation.

    If there is some root and branch review of what went wrong and a valid plan for making it better then OK, maybe 1-2 years to implement with a break option at 1 year if things stay the same.

    Harte had them knocking on the door and there is definitely a  question around whether a few small tweaks and different voices tipped that team over the edge.

    2 subsequent years of D&L being able to implement thier own system / ideology and shape a back room team has been very disappointing so far.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on July 27, 2023, 02:50:51 PM
    Never should have got rid of Harte.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on July 27, 2023, 03:27:39 PM
    I would say in most professional sports the managers would be gone?

    Would love to see them return and be successful but not convinced since the AI win
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on July 27, 2023, 05:13:48 PM
    2 good fellas but was this year not their second chance.  Imagine sitting this time next year with the same sh1t and having 2 more years of that sh1t to look forward too.  Honestly can't see where this team are going. No disgrace in losing to kerry at croker but the manner of the defeat was especially disappointing.  There is a long list of poor enough performances   and very few bright spots.  At the same time if there's no one else what do you do
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on July 27, 2023, 06:19:25 PM
    Surprised they want to stay on. I wouldn't really be keen on them staying. This year they should have shown some improvement from last year however it never happened. Bar staying in division 1 we didn't achieve anything. Never even put in a solid 70 min game.

    For years Tyrone suffered from managers not being ruthless enough and dropping under performing players. A dublin or Kerry manager wouldn't tolerate 2 very poor years. They would have been trying new players or a new system, not the same shit.

    If they are too stay on they need to change the backroom team and get some fresh thinking in.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on July 27, 2023, 06:37:09 PM
    There was a good few poor years under Harte too
    In fact people on here wanted rid of him.
    They deserve another rattle at it as they have delivered AI titles
    Same with u20 management
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on July 27, 2023, 06:57:49 PM
    Peter will decide. God is running the show.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BrotherMore6592 on July 27, 2023, 10:10:55 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on July 27, 2023, 02:50:51 PM
    Never should have got rid of Harte.

    Good try
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2023, 06:28:24 PM
    The current management need to bring to the table once again what they originally did, meaning that a fresh approach, fresh thinking, and a fresh approach to player treatment is absolutely necessary.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on August 01, 2023, 10:59:10 AM
    McGarvey - Plunkett - O'Hagan. Right down the middle.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 01, 2023, 07:24:37 PM
    Big meeting tonight !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 01, 2023, 07:30:54 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2023, 07:24:37 PM
    Big meeting tonight !

    What's going on?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 01, 2023, 08:54:10 PM
    Have I got this wrong ?
    Did it not say last week that Logan and Dooher future to be discussed ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on August 01, 2023, 09:23:42 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on August 01, 2023, 08:54:10 PM
    Have I got this wrong ?
    Did it not say last week that Logan and Dooher future to be discussed ?

    Put back a week
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on August 01, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
    Would like to see them continue for 2 more years but joined by either tally or meenagh
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on August 01, 2023, 10:03:32 PM
    Quote from: rrhf on August 01, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
    Would like to see them continue for 2 more years but joined by either tally or meenagh

    How many people do teams need in the backroom these days?

    Surely less is more as who defines what roles lads do etc?

    I presume this is all sorted out at the start of the season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on August 01, 2023, 10:09:08 PM
    I can't see why it wouldn't work which would be what we all want anyway. These two fellas are model Tyrone GAA men. If they had won in year 3 as opposed to year 1 there would be no debate. They need a new bounce so additions are needed and I think Tally has the strongest claim. Only for Tally teaching Kerry defenders Kerry would not have won their all Ireland.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on August 05, 2023, 04:07:36 PM
    https://wearetyrone.com/sport/tyrone-stalwart-donnelly-faces-lengthy-spell-on-the-sidelines/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 05, 2023, 04:32:41 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on August 05, 2023, 04:07:36 PM
    https://wearetyrone.com/sport/tyrone-stalwart-donnelly-faces-lengthy-spell-on-the-sidelines/

    Sounds nasty. You'd nearly think that could finish him with inter county?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WeGoAgain on August 05, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 05, 2023, 04:32:41 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on August 05, 2023, 04:07:36 PM
    https://wearetyrone.com/sport/tyrone-stalwart-donnelly-faces-lengthy-spell-on-the-sidelines/

    Sounds nasty. You'd nearly think that could finish him with inter county?

    Hope it isn't as he deserves to go out on his own terms. He has been a fantastic servant for Tyrone and would be a shame if we don't see him in a Tyrone jersey again
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 06, 2023, 04:59:09 PM
    Any decision made on the fate of the current managment team
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 07, 2023, 10:50:50 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 06, 2023, 04:59:09 PM
    Any decision made on the fate of the current managment team

    Meeting tomorrow night. 3 year ratification incoming.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 10:50:58 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 06, 2023, 04:59:09 PM
    Any decision made on the fate of the current managment team

    Club delegates are meeting tomorrow, I expect a decision will be taken then. Or whatever decision the county board has already made is rubber stamped.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 07, 2023, 11:53:31 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 10:50:58 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on August 06, 2023, 04:59:09 PM
    Any decision made on the fate of the current managment team

    Club delegates are meeting tomorrow, I expect a decision will be taken then. Or whatever decision the county board has already made is rubber stamped.
    From all of us here at Tyrone GAA, we are pleased to announce Malachy O'Rourke on a 3 Year deal with the option of a further Year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on August 07, 2023, 12:56:57 PM
    Would the general feeling within the county be for change?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 07, 2023, 01:37:08 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on August 07, 2023, 12:56:57 PM
    Would the general feeling within the county be for change?

    Unquestionably yes.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on August 07, 2023, 03:21:14 PM
    Plenty of others  seem happy enough for an AI winning management team to remain in place with a few tweeks in backroom. They won more in one year than MOR won in ten years at inter county level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2023, 03:59:25 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on August 07, 2023, 03:21:14 PM
    Plenty of others  seem happy enough for an AI winning management team to remain in place with a few tweeks in backroom. They won more in one year than MOR won in ten years at inter county level.

    Welcome to the forum Feargal!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: time ticking away on August 07, 2023, 03:59:41 PM
    Is Gerry Donnelly staying with the u17s ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 07, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on August 07, 2023, 03:59:41 PM
    Is Gerry Donnelly staying with the u17s ?

    Gerard Donnelly stepped down from the U17 post. A pity as him and Hetherington are talented coaches
    I wonder did they have one eye on the U20 job when they stepped down though?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Wee Roddy on August 07, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 07, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on August 07, 2023, 03:59:41 PM
    Is Gerry Donnelly staying with the u17s ?

    Gerard Donnelly stepped down from the U17 post. A pity as him and Hetherington are talented coaches
    I wonder did they have one eye on the U20 job when they stepped down though?

    This is actually incorrect. Gerry said his term was up to the press and they reported it wrong. He has sought and years and will get it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on August 07, 2023, 07:03:52 PM
    Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 07, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 07, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on August 07, 2023, 03:59:41 PM
    Is Gerry Donnelly staying with the u17s ?

    Gerard Donnelly stepped down from the U17 post. A pity as him and Hetherington are talented coaches
    I wonder did they have one eye on the U20 job when they stepped down though?

    This is actually incorrect. Gerry said his term was up to the press and they reported it wrong. He has sought and years and will get it

    He has taken over at Eskra
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on August 07, 2023, 07:09:00 PM
    Going by the Monaghan formline, Tyrone minors would have gone close to winning it this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2023, 08:07:00 PM
    RTE saying they're getting to stay on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on August 07, 2023, 08:34:25 PM
    McGeeney back in Armagh
    10 years - no Ulster title & no All Ireland
    Not even a semi final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 10:34:54 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2023, 08:07:00 PM
    RTE saying they're getting to stay on.

    County Board probably have made the decision that's been leaked. The nodding dogs in the county committee will just vote it through unchallenged.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Bring back club football on August 07, 2023, 10:37:50 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on August 07, 2023, 07:03:52 PM
    Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 07, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 07, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on August 07, 2023, 03:59:41 PM
    Is Gerry Donnelly staying with the u17s ?

    Gerard Donnelly stepped down from the U17 post. A pity as him and Hetherington are talented coaches
    I wonder did they have one eye on the U20 job when they stepped down though?

    This is actually incorrect. Gerry said his term was up to the press and they reported it wrong. He has sought and years and will get it

    He has taken over at Eskra

    Would these boys get a top club job in Tyrone?

    Would Paul Devlin get a top club job in Tyrone?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on August 07, 2023, 10:45:18 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 10:34:54 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2023, 08:07:00 PM
    RTE saying they're getting to stay on.

    County Board probably have made the decision that's been leaked. The nodding dogs in the county committee will just vote it through unchallenged.

    I think if they move on, a Plan B would be needed.

    Who is Plan B?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 11:39:38 PM
    Quote from: marty34 on August 07, 2023, 10:45:18 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 10:34:54 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2023, 08:07:00 PM
    RTE saying they're getting to stay on.

    County Board probably have made the decision that's been leaked. The nodding dogs in the county committee will just vote it through unchallenged.

    I think if they move on, a Plan B would be needed.

    Who is Plan B?

    There is no plan B, the sensible approach is to agree a rolling extension and not another 3 year term and start to forward plan. But sense isn't easy found.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Bring back club football on August 08, 2023, 08:40:08 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 11:39:38 PM
    Quote from: marty34 on August 07, 2023, 10:45:18 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 10:34:54 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2023, 08:07:00 PM
    RTE saying they're getting to stay on.

    County Board probably have made the decision that's been leaked. The nodding dogs in the county committee will just vote it through unchallenged.

    I think if they move on, a Plan B would be needed.

    Who is Plan B?

    There is no plan B, the sensible approach is to agree a rolling extension and not another 3 year term and start to forward plan. But sense isn't easy found.

    Paul Devlin is plan B
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 08, 2023, 10:17:55 AM
    Quote from: Bring back club football on August 08, 2023, 08:40:08 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 11:39:38 PM
    Quote from: marty34 on August 07, 2023, 10:45:18 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 07, 2023, 10:34:54 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2023, 08:07:00 PM
    RTE saying they're getting to stay on.

    County Board probably have made the decision that's been leaked. The nodding dogs in the county committee will just vote it through unchallenged.

    I think if they move on, a Plan B would be needed.

    Who is Plan B?

    There is no plan B, the sensible approach is to agree a rolling extension and not another 3 year term and start to forward plan. But sense isn't easy found.

    Paul Devlin is plan B

    If that's the case, I'll stick with what we have.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on August 08, 2023, 10:40:22 AM
    Was orourke sounded out?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: seanyb on August 08, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on August 08, 2023, 10:40:22 AM
    Was orourke sounded out?

    Talk that he was, but wasn't interested
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on August 08, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
    Firstly they are not mercenaries so can't see them ever taking clubs apart from their own.
    PD has delivered Ulster titles and AI titles in the last number of years at u20 level - is it 3 Ulster and 1 Al title?
    The senior management have delivered AI titles at senior and u21 level.
    One of the management has captained Tyrone to two All Irelands and managed them to one. He has been directly involved in all 4 senior titles. Is there many people can say that in and around the club scene?

    So yeah I'd say they would be fairly qualified to get a club  job alright, they have won a lot more than many of the brown envelope crew on the circuit.

    Quote from: Bring back club football on August 07, 2023, 10:37:50 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on August 07, 2023, 07:03:52 PM
    Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 07, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 07, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on August 07, 2023, 03:59:41 PM
    Is Gerry Donnelly staying with the u17s ?

    Gerard Donnelly stepped down from the U17 post. A pity as him and Hetherington are talented coaches
    I wonder did they have one eye on the U20 job when they stepped down though?

    This is actually incorrect. Gerry said his term was up to the press and they reported it wrong. He has sought and years and will get it

    He has taken over at Eskra

    Would these boys get a top club job in Tyrone?

    Would Paul Devlin get a top club job in Tyrone?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on August 08, 2023, 03:33:29 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
    Firstly they are not mercenaries so can't see them ever taking clubs apart from their own.
    PD has delivered Ulster titles and AI titles in the last number of years at u20 level - is it 3 Ulster and 1 Al title?
    The senior management have delivered AI titles at senior and u21 level.
    One of the management has captained Tyrone to two All Irelands and managed them to one. He has been directly involved in all 4 senior titles. Is there many people can say that in and around the club scene?

    So yeah I'd say they would be fairly qualified to get a club  job alright, they have won a lot more than many of the brown envelope crew on the circuit.

    Quote from: Bring back club football on August 07, 2023, 10:37:50 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on August 07, 2023, 07:03:52 PM
    Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 07, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 07, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on August 07, 2023, 03:59:41 PM
    Is Gerry Donnelly staying with the u17s ?

    Gerard Donnelly stepped down from the U17 post. A pity as him and Hetherington are talented coaches
    I wonder did they have one eye on the U20 job when they stepped down though?

    This is actually incorrect. Gerry said his term was up to the press and they reported it wrong. He has sought and years and will get it

    He has taken over at Eskra

    Would these boys get a top club job in Tyrone?

    Would Paul Devlin get a top club job in Tyrone?

    Agree with this. There's some shite talked here. Dooher and Logan actually won an All Ireland. I doubt there is two more dedicated Tyrone men anywhere in the county. All Irelands aren't easy won, ask Armagh, Monaghan, Donegal, Derry, Galway, Mayo and a host of other counties.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 08, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
    News from the hill:
    Dooher and Logan another 3 year term with the Seniors.
    Paul Devlin another 3 year term with the U20s.
    Gerry Donnelly another 3 year term with the U17s.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 08, 2023, 11:27:11 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 08, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
    News from the hill:
    Dooher and Logan another 3 year term with the Seniors.
    Paul Devlin another 3 year term with the U20s.
    Gerry Donnelly another 3 year term with the U17s.

    Did Gerry Donnelly not resign at the end of last year? Are we that stuck for coaches he must have been asked to stay on.  :-[
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2023, 12:24:39 AM
    Like, Armagh keeping on the same management after the past 2yrs don't make sense.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on August 09, 2023, 06:36:03 AM
    All I can think is that there was no one else.  We'll be sitting no further forward this time next year.  A few barren years ahead I think
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Bring back club football on August 09, 2023, 07:18:06 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2023, 11:22:20 AM
    Firstly they are not mercenaries so can't see them ever taking clubs apart from their own.
    PD has delivered Ulster titles and AI titles in the last number of years at u20 level - is it 3 Ulster and 1 Al title?
    The senior management have delivered AI titles at senior and u21 level.
    One of the management has captained Tyrone to two All Irelands and managed them to one. He has been directly involved in all 4 senior titles. Is there many people can say that in and around the club scene?

    So yeah I'd say they would be fairly qualified to get a club  job alright, they have won a lot more than many of the brown envelope crew on the circuit.

    Quote from: Bring back club football on August 07, 2023, 10:37:50 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on August 07, 2023, 07:03:52 PM
    Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 07, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
    Quote from: God14 on August 07, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on August 07, 2023, 03:59:41 PM
    Is Gerry Donnelly staying with the u17s ?

    Gerard Donnelly stepped down from the U17 post. A pity as him and Hetherington are talented coaches
    I wonder did they have one eye on the U20 job when they stepped down though?

    This is actually incorrect. Gerry said his term was up to the press and they reported it wrong. He has sought and years and will get it

    He has taken over at Eskra

    Would these boys get a top club job in Tyrone?

    Would Paul Devlin get a top club job in Tyrone?

    Wasn't talking about Dooher and Logan.

    Never mentioned brown envelopes.

    Both Gerry Donnelly and Paul Devlin have managed other clubs.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 09, 2023, 09:48:38 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 08, 2023, 11:27:11 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 08, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
    News from the hill:
    Dooher and Logan another 3 year term with the Seniors.
    Paul Devlin another 3 year term with the U20s.
    Gerry Donnelly another 3 year term with the U17s.

    Did Gerry Donnelly not resign at the end of last year? Are we that stuck for coaches he must have been asked to stay on.  :-[
    Donnelly wanted the U20 job but they gave Devlin another 3 years. At that point I believe Donnelly said he'd be willing to stay with U17s, at which point he got reinstated for the next 3 years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on August 09, 2023, 09:52:01 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 09, 2023, 09:48:38 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 08, 2023, 11:27:11 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 08, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
    News from the hill:
    Dooher and Logan another 3 year term with the Seniors.
    Paul Devlin another 3 year term with the U20s.
    Gerry Donnelly another 3 year term with the U17s.

    Did Gerry Donnelly not resign at the end of last year? Are we that stuck for coaches he must have been asked to stay on.  :-[
    Donnelly wanted the U20 job but they gave Devlin another 3 years. At that point I believe Donnelly said he'd be willing to stay with U17s, at which point he got reinstated for the next 3 years.
    Mark McCullagh and Michael Gallagher were interested in the Under 17 job. Current Under 16 manager Lorcan Martin was also interested. Very strange to just give another 3 years to a management team that resigned, surely it would have been open to all candidates and then an interview process?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on August 09, 2023, 10:07:03 AM
    Art McCrory RIP
    Some man for one man.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 09, 2023, 10:35:40 AM
    Quote from: trailer on August 09, 2023, 10:07:03 AM
    Art McCrory RIP
    Some man for one man.

    Massive loss to Tyrone GAA, A giant of a man that give so much to Tyrone GAA. Lots of love to big Art. RIP.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on August 09, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on August 09, 2023, 09:52:01 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 09, 2023, 09:48:38 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 08, 2023, 11:27:11 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 08, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
    News from the hill:
    Dooher and Logan another 3 year term with the Seniors.
    Paul Devlin another 3 year term with the U20s.
    Gerry Donnelly another 3 year term with the U17s.

    Did Gerry Donnelly not resign at the end of last year? Are we that stuck for coaches he must have been asked to stay on.  :-[
    Donnelly wanted the U20 job but they gave Devlin another 3 years. At that point I believe Donnelly said he'd be willing to stay with U17s, at which point he got reinstated for the next 3 years.
    Mark McCullagh and Michael Gallagher were interested in the Under 17 job. Current Under 16 manager Lorcan Martin was also interested. Very strange to just give another 3 years to a management team that resigned, surely it would have been open to all candidates and then an interview process?

    Log jam then for positions. Those coaches will likely be lost from the system now those 3 year terms have been granted. They'll maybe go into club management get a few quid and not look back. Strange when Donnelly resigned he was taken back just because Paul Devlin wanted to stick.

    Surely when terms are up, all posts are declared vacant and then open for applications.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on August 09, 2023, 11:11:26 AM
    RIP Art. A Tyrone GAA great.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Wee Roddy on August 09, 2023, 12:32:38 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 08, 2023, 11:27:11 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 08, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
    News from the hill:
    Dooher and Logan another 3 year term with the Seniors.
    Paul Devlin another 3 year term with the U20s.
    Gerry Donnelly another 3 year term with the U17s.

    Did Gerry Donnelly not resign at the end of last year? Are we that stuck for coaches he must have been asked to stay on.  :-[

    As was said before Gerry didnt resign. He was misquoted in an interview when he was asked if he was staying on. Gerry being the diplomat said his time as up meaning his contract. The interviewer took it as he had left. No one on the county board ever thought he was gone, nor did he want the u20 job.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2023, 01:51:44 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on August 09, 2023, 11:11:26 AM
    RIP Art. A Tyrone GAA great.

    Really sad to hear the news of Big Arts passing today. He was the man who steered Tyrone through times when an All Ireland seemed a distant dream but eventually made us believe it was possible in 86 and 95 when he brought us so close. He took underage and school teams when nobody else was putting up their hands and drove forward high standards that set the foundations for what we take for granted today. Such a shame he never got to lift Sam as Tyrone manager but I've no doubt he took great pride in the role he played to get us there. The legacy he leaves with the Clarkes, Tyrone and indeed Ulster makes him one of the very few people who we can call a bonafide legend. After giving so much to the Clarkes, it's such a shame he didn't get to see his club run out for the first time on the new O'Neill park turf this Sunday, a project in which he was so instrumental. I'm sure he will be watching on with pride. RIP Big Art and thanks for the memories.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TyroneOnlooker on August 09, 2023, 02:11:40 PM
    RIP big Art. Such an impact at all levels of Tyrone football. Would have also been a big basketball man in his day. A real pity he didn't get to see the Clarkes play for the first time this Sunday on their new pitch.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 09, 2023, 02:27:23 PM
    Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 09, 2023, 12:32:38 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on August 08, 2023, 11:27:11 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on August 08, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
    News from the hill:
    Dooher and Logan another 3 year term with the Seniors.
    Paul Devlin another 3 year term with the U20s.
    Gerry Donnelly another 3 year term with the U17s.

    Did Gerry Donnelly not resign at the end of last year? Are we that stuck for coaches he must have been asked to stay on.  :-[

    As was said before Gerry didnt resign. He was misquoted in an interview when he was asked if he was staying on. Gerry being the diplomat said his time as up meaning his contract. The interviewer took it as he had left. No one on the county board ever thought he was gone, nor did he want the u20 job.

    Fair play Roddy.  The minor reappointment safe to say is a popular one
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: downtothecore on August 09, 2023, 07:23:32 PM
    Art Mc Rory RIP. A legend of the game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on August 09, 2023, 09:59:29 PM
    What was the origins of big Arts famous quote when we are playing so and so we'll give him a shout. Paraphrasing that completely obviously but always wondered who the original quote was about?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on August 09, 2023, 10:10:43 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on August 09, 2023, 09:59:29 PM
    What was the origins of big Arts famous quote when we are playing so and so we'll give him a shout. Paraphrasing that completely obviously but always wondered who the original quote was about?

    Always thought the original saying was about John Joe O'Neill who scored a few goals for Moortown against the Rock at some point in the 80's?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inowbest on August 09, 2023, 11:02:44 PM
    Think it was the players father rang Art and said our boy scored (only making this up) but let's say 1-9 v rock today. You'd need to bring him up to Tyrone squad.

    Arts reply - the next time Tyrone are playing the Rock I'll give him a call!

    What a legend of Tyrone football. Sympathy to the whole family and the Dungannon club.

    A true legend who will always be remembered.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on August 09, 2023, 11:49:43 PM
    I'll stand corrected but another Art classic:

    Asked about picking Ciaran the son for the Tyrone squad:

    "I've went the length and breadth of Tyrone looking for a big ignorant f**ker to play midfield and then realised there was one lying on my sofa!"  ;D ;D

    RIP Art
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 09, 2023, 11:50:42 PM
    Their playing careers and being part of a management team that delivered an U21 All Ireland then a senior All Ireland in their first season make Brian Dooher and Fergal Logan Tyrone greats forever. Must be said though, the last two years have been rather shambolic. If you take away their previous achievements and look at those seasons you might well wonder was this management team badly out if its depth at senior inter county level. Can only conclude the new term is based on everything that happened until 2022. That's fair enough. I think they've got a pretty easy ride over the past two seasons though based on their previous achievements. Staying on means they will need to improve massively to avoid very serious questions over their management. That applies to the county board too now.

    More importantly on a day like today, thoughts with Art McRory's family on his passing. An incredible servant of Tyrone GAA and a visionary who was instrumental in the rise of the senior county team from also rans to All Ireland contenders. As the banner said, How Great Thou Art. RIP.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on August 10, 2023, 07:57:48 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on August 09, 2023, 10:10:43 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on August 09, 2023, 09:59:29 PM
    What was the origins of big Arts famous quote when we are playing so and so we'll give him a shout. Paraphrasing that completely obviously but always wondered who the original quote was about?

    Always thought the original saying was about John Joe O'Neill who scored a few goals for Moortown against the Rock at some point in the 80's?

    Yeah 100%. My father told me that one 30 years ago, and it was John Joe O'Neill and the Rock.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: imtommygunn on August 10, 2023, 08:32:28 AM
    Quote from: WT4E on August 09, 2023, 11:49:43 PM
    I'll stand corrected but another Art classic:

    Asked about picking Ciaran the son for the Tyrone squad:

    "I've went the length and breadth of Tyrone looking for a big ignorant f**ker to play midfield and then realised there was one lying on my sofa!"  ;D ;D

    RIP Art

    ;D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 06:42:57 PM
    Fair play to all the managers reappointed for giving another 3 years of their lives to help our county. Some sacrifice...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on August 10, 2023, 08:13:46 PM
    Hope Tyrone support comes out next year. Doubtful
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 10:11:03 PM
    I'm surprised they wanted it. I didn't get the feeling they particularly enjoyed the last 2 years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on August 10, 2023, 10:25:44 PM
    I started the matches from late 84, and through 86... I remember the teams that  played those years with great fondness, the character laiden leaders, the high catchers, the bruisers, the blondes, the flutter of red and white on the hill,  the greenness of the sacred field and dressed in brown was Art...
    The producer had picked his cast and put them in this theatre....not a 10 year old in Tyrone didn't help make a banner with a play on his name....
    How great thou Art...
    Rest in peace.... 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on August 10, 2023, 10:35:31 PM
    Art laid the foundations for sure.

    Only Tyrone Dublin & Kerry have been in All-Ireland finals in the 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's and 20's. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on August 10, 2023, 10:47:44 PM
    Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 10, 2023, 10:39:13 PM
    Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 10, 2023, 10:35:31 PM
    Art laid the foundations for sure.

    Only Tyrone Dublin & Kerry have been in All-Ireland finals in the 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's and 20's.
    Mayo? Not Dublin.

    Yes Dublin didn't play in an All-Ireland Final between 1995 and 2011.
    Mayo did.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on August 11, 2023, 12:25:12 AM
    Very special alright... fired up like demons in the second half
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 11, 2023, 07:12:07 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!

    Was in the Gerry Arthur that day. No one that I could see were sitting in their seats towards the end of the match. aAll standing  Unreal atmosphere
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on August 11, 2023, 07:39:21 AM
    Yep, what a game.  I'm sure there were a few that left at half time that day as things were looking particularly bleak.  Think we said we'd give it a few minutes to see how things pan out!! What a game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: phpearse on August 11, 2023, 08:01:48 AM
    wasn't it Big Art that said ' Opinions are like arse holes, everyone has one!'
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2023, 08:02:48 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!

    It can't be overstated what big Art did for Tyrone football. A true legend. 95 was definitely up there as the best wins and atmospheres.

    We were spoilt with some unbelievable days in the 2000's as well though. 2005 in particular was hard to beat - the Dublin games/last minute free v Armagh after the 3 game saga/Kerry in the final.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on August 11, 2023, 09:57:34 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!

    That was some day. The scorching heat. Hog Donnelly with a second half for the ages. f**k them Derry ones were sick.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2023, 10:03:16 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!

    100% agree with this but I'll add to that list, the complete arrogance of the Derry fans around us at half time and their growing sense of desperation as the second half unfolded 😁 Not sure if it was because I was younger or had a bit of drink in me that day but the elation at the final whistle that day was greater than I felt after any of the AI wins. It was also the day Peter announced himself as unequivocally the greatest footballer in the land. What a display he put on that day. Jimmy Magee on commentary for UTV's coverage, "if ever there was a point worth repeating over and over again...Peter Canavan is some footballer"
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on August 11, 2023, 10:19:18 AM
    Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2023, 10:03:16 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!

    100% agree with this but I'll add to that list, the complete arrogance of the Derry fans around us at half time and their growing sense of desperation as the second half unfolded 😁 Not sure if it was because I was younger or had a bit of drink in me that day but the elation at the final whistle that day was greater than I felt after any of the AI wins. It was also the day Peter announced himself as unequivocally the greatest footballer in the land. What a display he put on that day. Jimmy Magee on commentary for UTV's coverage, "if ever there was a point worth repeating over and over again...Peter Canavan is some footballer"
    What a man!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on August 11, 2023, 10:20:36 AM
    Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2023, 10:03:16 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!

    100% agree with this but I'll add to that list, the complete arrogance of the Derry fans around us at half time and their growing sense of desperation as the second half unfolded 😁 Not sure if it was because I was younger or had a bit of drink in me that day but the elation at the final whistle that day was greater than I felt after any of the AI wins. It was also the day Peter announced himself as unequivocally the greatest footballer in the land. What a display he put on that day. Jimmy Magee on commentary for UTV's coverage, "if ever there was a point worth repeating over and over again...Peter Canavan is some footballer"
    [/b]

    One of the best lines of commentary there ever was. Jimmy Magee was the voice of that summer in 1995.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inowbest on August 11, 2023, 10:28:04 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on August 11, 2023, 10:20:36 AM
    Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2023, 10:03:16 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!

    100% agree with this but I'll add to that list, the complete arrogance of the Derry fans around us at half time and their growing sense of desperation as the second half unfolded 😁 Not sure if it was because I was younger or had a bit of drink in me that day but the elation at the final whistle that day was greater than I felt after any of the AI wins. It was also the day Peter announced himself as unequivocally the greatest footballer in the land. What a display he put on that day. Jimmy Magee on commentary for UTV's coverage, "if ever there was a point worth repeating over and over again...Peter Canavan is some footballer"
    [/b]

    One of the best lines of commentary there ever was. Jimmy Magee was the voice of that summer in 1995.

    Another great line from jimmy that game was when Pascal got sent off and it showed the replay of his punches and he said "there's the right hook, left hook, and at this stage Canavan is leading on points" 🤣

    A day that will never be forgotten by any Tyrone supporter.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2023, 11:53:08 AM
    Quote from: inowbest on August 11, 2023, 10:28:04 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on August 11, 2023, 10:20:36 AM
    Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2023, 10:03:16 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!

    100% agree with this but I'll add to that list, the complete arrogance of the Derry fans around us at half time and their growing sense of desperation as the second half unfolded 😁 Not sure if it was because I was younger or had a bit of drink in me that day but the elation at the final whistle that day was greater than I felt after any of the AI wins. It was also the day Peter announced himself as unequivocally the greatest footballer in the land. What a display he put on that day. Jimmy Magee on commentary for UTV's coverage, "if ever there was a point worth repeating over and over again...Peter Canavan is some footballer"
    [/b]

    One of the best lines of commentary there ever was. Jimmy Magee was the voice of that summer in 1995.

    Another great line from jimmy that game was when Pascal got sent off and it showed the replay of his punches and he said "there's the right hook, left hook, and at this stage Canavan is leading on points" 🤣

    A day that will never be forgotten by any Tyrone supporter.

    Peter in possession and is knocked to the ground, gets up and pings it over the bar...Jimmy Magee "That man could kick points off the kitchen table" 😂
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LC on August 11, 2023, 02:23:05 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!


    Remember the day well as it was a real scorcher, couldn't get to the match as we had to put the hay in that day so had the radio on in the field.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on August 11, 2023, 03:03:19 PM
    Quote from: LC on August 11, 2023, 02:23:05 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on August 11, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
    The Derry game in 95 was the best memory of all those years.

    The Derry game of 1995 was the best memory of my lifetime following Tyrone - easily the best.

    I know we won 4 AI titles but that day was hard to beat. Actually the first AI win was a bit of an anti climax. But in fairness the 2005 final was a brilliant final to win as was 2008.

    The opposition, the rivalry, the excessive heat on the day, the tension in the stands, the tension on the pitch, red cards, the animosity, the hits, the intensity in the air, the late winner - it had absolutely everything.

    We will never forget that day !!!!


    Remember the day well as it was a real scorcher, couldn't get to the match as we had to put the hay in that day so had the radio on in the field.

    I read this without reading any other comments and knew straight away yous were talking about Derry 95. It was boiling.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on August 11, 2023, 06:22:47 PM
    Read somewhere that the Canavan parents weren't at the match as they were attending the ordination of a neighbour
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Walter Cronc on August 11, 2023, 07:52:26 PM
    97 was better  8)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on August 12, 2023, 12:07:03 AM
    You skipped 96 lad, enjoyable as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tc_manchester on August 15, 2023, 09:47:49 AM
    I was in the Gerry Arthurs that day. I've never experienced an atmosphere like it at any match I've been at before or since. It was just on the edge of boiling over. There was 2/3 pages of letters in the Irish News the next week about how bad it was.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: shawshank on August 15, 2023, 01:04:34 PM
    Personally I thought 04 was never to be forgotten. Tyrone, All Ireland champs didn't score in the first half as we put you in our back pocket. You just lay down.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on August 15, 2023, 01:18:15 PM
    Quote from: shawshank on August 15, 2023, 01:04:34 PM
    Personally I thought 04 was never to be forgotten. Tyrone, All Ireland champs didn't score in the first half as we put you in our back pocket. You just lay down.

    that was actually 06. we hammered Derry in 04.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on August 15, 2023, 01:19:52 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on August 15, 2023, 01:18:15 PM
    Quote from: shawshank on August 15, 2023, 01:04:34 PM
    Personally I thought 04 was never to be forgotten. Tyrone, All Ireland champs didn't score in the first half as we put you in our back pocket. You just lay down.

    that was actually 06. we hammered Derry in 04.

    Never to be forgotten but he can't even remember what year it was.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2023, 01:22:58 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on August 15, 2023, 01:14:59 PM
    Quote from: shawshank on August 15, 2023, 01:04:34 PM
    Personally I thought 04 was never to be forgotten. Tyrone, All Ireland champs didn't score in the first half as we put you in our back pocket. You just lay down.

    Maybe something to do with the huge personal loss our team and County experienced a few months before?

    But go off... maybe come back when you win an All-Ireland this century.

    Caught a nice one there Shawshank 😆
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Hereiam on August 15, 2023, 01:47:55 PM
    Was on the hill that day and no game has matched it or even come close to it for an electric atmosphere since that day. It makes me sad now that the kids dont get to experience that now with the way football has went. You could hear a pin drop at times during most games now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on August 15, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
    stand to be corrected but I think 1995 included Tyrone and Derry have played 15 times in championship football with Tyrone at 10 wins, Derry 4 wins and 1 draw. It's been much better being a Tyrone fan since the mid 90's, especially with the 4 All-Irelands!

    1995 - Tyrone 0-11 Derry 0-10 (Clones)
    1996 - Tyrone 1-13 Derry 1-8 (Clones)
    1997 - Derry 2-15 Tyrone 2-3 (Clones)
    2001 - Tyrone 3-7 Derry 0-14 (Clones)
    2001 - Derry 1-9 Tyrone 0-7 (Clones - All-Ireland 1/4 Final)
    2002 - Tyrone 1-17 Derry 1-12 (Casement Park - Round 3 Qualifier)
    2003 - Tyrone 0-12 Derry 1-9 (Clones)
    2003 - Tyrone 0-17 Derry 1-5 (Replay - Casement Park)
    2004 - Tyrone 1-17 Derry 1-6 (Clones)
    2006 - Derry 1-8 Tyrone 0-5 (Omagh)
    2009 - Tyrone 0-15 Derry 0-7 (Casement Park)
    2016 - Tyrone 3-14 Derry 0-12 (Celtic Park)
    2017 - Tyrone 0-22 Derry 0-11 (Celtic Park)
    2019 - Tyrone 1-19 Derry 1-13 (Omagh)
    2022 - Derry 1-18 Tyrone 0-10 (Omagh)

    to go back 40 years then it would be Tyrone 12 wins and Derry 7 wins out of 20 meetings.

    1984 Tyrone 1-13 Derry 3-4 (Ballinascreen)
    1985 Derry 1-9 Tyrone 1-8 (Ballinascreen)
    1986 Tyrone 2-6 Derry 1-7 (Omagh)
    1991 Derry 1-9 Tyrone 1-8 (Omagh)
    1992 Derry 1-10 Tyrone 1-7 (Celtic Park)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on August 16, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
    Great post. I would love to know all our odds from Kerry, dub mayo to Donegal. I think it might show a favourable edge in most of these with the exception being mayo and possibly Donegal
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on August 16, 2023, 06:32:55 PM
    I'd say it would show an unfavourable edge to Dublin and Kerry? I think they've beaten us more than we've beat them. Could be wrong.

    I see Cathal McShane has put on instagram that he has had surgery today on an ongoing issue. Wonder could it be that old ankle injury he had. He hasn't looked right since that at all.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on August 16, 2023, 08:01:00 PM
    We beat kerry fairly regularly back in the noughties and can only think of the 86 final defeat before that.  Kerry surely catching up in recent years but not sure if they've passed us.  Good question.

    As for the Dubs, I know we beat them a few times in the naughties but 95 final loss, 84 loss and then recent defeats.  I'd imagine the dubs are well ahead
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 16, 2023, 09:43:44 PM
    All square with Kerry 4-4 in Championship head-to-heads: 86, 2015, 2019 & 2023, though they have the 3rd round Qualifier win in 2012 too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on August 16, 2023, 10:14:52 PM
    Had a look there it's 5-4 in Kerry's favour and 4-2 in Dublin's favour with 1 draw.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on August 16, 2023, 10:34:38 PM
    The Dubs are well ahead as they have beat us in:

    1984 (Semi-final)
    1995 (Final)
    2010 (1/4 Final)
    2011 (1/4 Final)
    2017 (Semi-Final)
    2018 (Super 8's)
    2018 (Final)
    2019 (Super 8's)

    We've only beat them in 2005 after a replay and in 2008. Both were 1/4 Finals.

    So it's 8-2 in favour of Dublin.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on August 16, 2023, 10:48:20 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on August 16, 2023, 10:34:38 PM
    The Dubs are well ahead as they have beat us in:

    1984 (Semi-final)
    1995 (Final)
    2010 (1/4 Final)
    2011 (1/4 Final)
    2017 (Semi-Final)
    2018 (Super 8's)
    2018 (Final)
    2019 (Super 8's)

    We've only beat them in 2005 after a replay and in 2008. Both were 1/4 Finals.

    So it's 8-2 in favour of Dublin.

    Ah you're right. The article I read was before the 2017 semi final. 4-2 up to that point. They have dominated us totally in the 2010s.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on August 17, 2023, 10:28:58 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on August 16, 2023, 06:32:55 PM
    I'd say it would show an unfavourable edge to Dublin and Kerry? I think they've beaten us more than we've beat them. Could be wrong.

    I see Cathal McShane has put on instagram that he has had surgery today on an ongoing issue. Wonder could it be that old ankle injury he had. He hasn't looked right since that at all.

    He looked pretty sharp when he came on against Kerry?

    Tyrone would be immeasurably strengthened if they can get him back anywhere near to his 2019 form. I think he had, arguably, the best championship of any inside forward for Tyrone since the 00s that season. An inform McShane along with the Canavans and McCurry would be hard stopped.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 18, 2023, 10:48:55 PM
    Why don't u throw up how many all-Irelands u have to Kerry there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on August 19, 2023, 12:21:46 PM
    Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 18, 2023, 10:48:55 PM
    Why don't u throw up how many all-Irelands u have to Kerry there.

    Would be quicker if we throw up.how many AIs derry have ,could do that with 1 finger 😅
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on August 19, 2023, 05:06:01 PM
    And it was won against an auld done Cork team..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on August 31, 2023, 02:56:26 PM
    Incredible that we now have lost another top class coach to Cavan.  Stephen O Neill should be coaching in Tyrone. Why are all these top coaches leaving. Dublin are able to hold on to Brian Cullen, they are able to pull in Pat Gilroy, all full time roles, same in Kerry, Same in Limerick.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on August 31, 2023, 03:12:53 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on August 31, 2023, 02:56:26 PM
    Incredible that we now have lost another top class coach to Cavan.  Stephen O Neill should be coaching in Tyrone. Why are all these top coaches leaving. Dublin are able to hold on to Brian Cullen, they are able to pull in Pat Gilroy, all full time roles, same in Kerry, Same in Limerick.

    Is it the same line up of coaches or will there be a shake up?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on September 01, 2023, 08:04:31 AM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on August 31, 2023, 02:56:26 PM
    Incredible that we now have lost another top class coach to Cavan.  Stephen O Neill should be coaching in Tyrone. Why are all these top coaches leaving. Dublin are able to hold on to Brian Cullen, they are able to pull in Pat Gilroy, all full time roles, same in Kerry, Same in Limerick.

    Money talks
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Degrassi Hi on September 07, 2023, 04:24:41 PM
    Could someone compile a list of the Tyrone Managers/Coaches/S&C that are currently providing their services in other counties? just interested to know Eg. Ciaran Meenagh - Derry, Peter Hughes Derry, Paddy Tally Kerry, Stephen O'Neill Cavan, Mickey Donnelly Down.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on September 07, 2023, 04:27:16 PM
    Ronan O'Neill - Fermanagh

    Peter Donnelly - Ireland Rugby
    Peter Hughes - New Zealand Rugby
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: referee on September 13, 2023, 01:23:39 PM
    Maybe Dooher and Logan could entice Meenagh on board
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on September 13, 2023, 01:42:20 PM
    Quote from: referee on September 13, 2023, 01:23:39 PM
    Maybe Dooher and Logan could entice Meenagh on board

    It was rumoured 6 weeks ago.
    Although youd imagine if there was anything in it we would have heard more by now
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on September 13, 2023, 01:42:40 PM
    Going to be a shake up of the backroom team according to the last county committee meeting.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on September 13, 2023, 02:30:17 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on September 13, 2023, 01:42:40 PM
    Going to be a shake up of the backroom team according to the last county committee meeting.

    Wouldn't be a bad idea. What was said at the meeting?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 18, 2023, 08:51:28 PM
    Mickey Harte - Derry Manager  :o
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on September 18, 2023, 09:34:35 PM
    Good luck to him.  Wouldn't want him as the Tyrone manager but dont want logan n dooher either
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on September 19, 2023, 08:57:56 AM
    Gavin Devlin is the magic.  He is a really really good coach.  Mc kaige is in Ardboe along with him so obviously developed from there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on September 23, 2023, 11:59:44 AM
    Any word of any changes to the Tyrone backroom team. Would love to see Peter Donnelly or paddy tally back in the fold. Surely tyrone should be aiming for people of this caliber.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GaelTheGael on September 25, 2023, 10:35:41 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 23, 2023, 11:59:44 AMAny word of any changes to the Tyrone backroom team. Would love to see Peter Donnelly or paddy tally back in the fold. Surely tyrone should be aiming for people of this caliber.
    Ciaran Meenagh's name is doing the rounds as an addition to the Senior set up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on September 25, 2023, 12:34:07 PM
    Quote from: GaelTheGael on September 25, 2023, 10:35:41 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on September 23, 2023, 11:59:44 AMAny word of any changes to the Tyrone backroom team. Would love to see Peter Donnelly or paddy tally back in the fold. Surely tyrone should be aiming for people of this caliber.
    Ciaran Meenagh's name is doing the rounds as an addition to the Senior set up.

    Was thinking that would make sense
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on September 28, 2023, 06:28:35 PM
    Any players impress so far? Daly - trilliuk. Ardboe - Ohare have impressed me.

    What age is ronan Mchugh from aghyaran? Always seems to impress but injuries have hampered him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on September 28, 2023, 09:48:54 PM
    Daly, O'Hare and Tee Quinn were the only 3 that stood out for me
    O'Hare still with U20s next year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on September 29, 2023, 10:37:18 PM
    Michael Cassidy Ardboe worth another look, could fill that big hole Tyrone have at number 6.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on September 30, 2023, 09:17:28 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 29, 2023, 10:37:18 PMMichael Cassidy Ardboe worth another look, could fill that big hole Tyrone have at number 6.
    What is that based on. He went of injured again at the weekend. Head injury maybe .
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 01, 2023, 03:26:51 PM
    Quote from: redzone on September 30, 2023, 09:17:28 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on September 29, 2023, 10:37:18 PMMichael Cassidy Ardboe worth another look, could fill that big hole Tyrone have at number 6.
    What is that based on. He went of injured again at the weekend. Head injury maybe .

    The whole season. Been fantastic for Ardboe this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on October 01, 2023, 04:37:16 PM
    Many of our current county players with seriously underwhelming performances throughout the championship to date
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on October 01, 2023, 05:00:10 PM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on October 01, 2023, 04:37:16 PMMany of our current county players with seriously underwhelming performances throughout the championship to date

    Yeah it doesnt fill me with confidence for next year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on October 01, 2023, 06:17:21 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on October 01, 2023, 05:00:10 PM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on October 01, 2023, 04:37:16 PMMany of our current county players with seriously underwhelming performances throughout the championship to date

    Yeah it doesnt fill me with confidence for next year.

    I would say very few have a name on the jersey for next year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 01, 2023, 06:41:59 PM
    Logan and Dooher need to get Paul Donaghy back on board. An absolute joy to watch.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 01, 2023, 06:42:47 PM
    Thought Donaghy was excellent for Dungannon today. Hard to comprehend that, for whatever reason, he wasn't even on the county panel this season. Super footballer, a joy to watch.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on October 01, 2023, 08:23:16 PM
    Can the Jones brothers make the step up? Excellent at club level
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on October 01, 2023, 10:25:01 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 01, 2023, 06:41:59 PMLogan and Dooher need to get Paul Donaghy back on board. An absolute joy to watch.

    Did Donaghy not walk after 2021 despite the fact he played in the All Ireland final.....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on October 02, 2023, 12:02:34 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on October 01, 2023, 10:25:01 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 01, 2023, 06:41:59 PMLogan and Dooher need to get Paul Donaghy back on board. An absolute joy to watch.

    Did Donaghy not walk after 2021 despite the fact he played in the All Ireland final.....

    Came on as a sub aye. Some former County men have really shined this year by all accounts - Donaghy, Cassidy, McAliskey (albeit in Intermediate).
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: mugsy03 on October 02, 2023, 11:31:33 AM
    Donaghy needs to be back on tyrone and starting every league game. What a talent
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 03, 2023, 11:27:01 AM
    Quote from: Degrassi Hi on September 07, 2023, 04:24:41 PMCould someone compile a list of the Tyrone Managers/Coaches/S&C that are currently providing their services in other counties? just interested to know Eg. Ciaran Meenagh - Derry, Peter Hughes Derry, Paddy Tally Kerry, Stephen O'Neill Cavan, Mickey Donnelly Down.

    Quote from: square_ball on September 07, 2023, 04:27:16 PMRonan O'Neill - Fermanagh

    Peter Donnelly - Ireland Rugby
    Peter Hughes - New Zealand Rugby
    Ciaran Meenagh for Down.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 03, 2023, 12:12:23 PM
    Didnt think Harte & Horse would take another Tyrone man with them
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on October 03, 2023, 03:46:16 PM
    Quote from: toby47 on October 03, 2023, 11:47:12 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 03, 2023, 11:27:01 AM
    Quote from: Degrassi Hi on September 07, 2023, 04:24:41 PMCould someone compile a list of the Tyrone Managers/Coaches/S&C that are currently providing their services in other counties? just interested to know Eg. Ciaran Meenagh - Derry, Peter Hughes Derry, Paddy Tally Kerry, Stephen O'Neill Cavan, Mickey Donnelly Down.

    Quote from: square_ball on September 07, 2023, 04:27:16 PMRonan O'Neill - Fermanagh

    Peter Donnelly - Ireland Rugby
    Peter Hughes - New Zealand Rugby
    Ciaran Meenagh for Down.

    Ronan O'Neill away to Derry too

    Why?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on October 03, 2023, 04:00:16 PM
    Holmes and McMahon still there?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on October 03, 2023, 07:38:56 PM
    Gonna be piss poor if they don't bring some new people on board. What was there last year didn't work
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on October 03, 2023, 09:09:48 PM
    Ronan not away to derry he is staying fermanagh according to irish news.

    Tyrone backroom team needs a shake up. Very poor if its the same faces as last 2 years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on October 04, 2023, 07:45:44 AM
    Is Dermy carlin away to Derry?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on October 04, 2023, 09:58:34 AM
    Seen Dermy shopping in derry the weekend did he not tell you.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on October 04, 2023, 10:08:58 AM
    Quote from: skeog on October 04, 2023, 09:58:34 AMSeen Dermy shopping in derry the weekend did he not tell you.

    :D
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on October 04, 2023, 08:46:11 PM
    Michael conroy come back into squad this year? Coleman and him impressing this evening
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 05, 2023, 08:10:39 AM
    If he makes himself available, youd have to have him in the panel. Quality player is Conroy.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on October 05, 2023, 08:26:53 AM
    When Tyrone is playing Clogher we should make this happen....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 05, 2023, 08:32:36 AM
    Anyword on Mattie Donnelly, did he need surgery in the end? From memory that decision would confirm wether he might be available for Tyrone next year, or not
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 03,05,08 on October 05, 2023, 03:01:08 PM
    Going by the leagues and club championship games thus far, who would be the players that deserve a go with the county next year. From the games I've seen Ryan Loughran-Pomeroy, Conor owens-Beragh, Cormac Donnelly- Galbally, Shea O'Hare- ardboe, Paul donaghy-Dungannon
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on October 05, 2023, 04:19:43 PM
    Quote from: 03,05,08 on October 05, 2023, 03:01:08 PMGoing by the leagues and club championship games thus far, who would be the players that deserve a go with the county next year. From the games I've seen Ryan Loughran-Pomeroy, Conor owens-Beragh, Cormac Donnelly- Galbally, Shea O'Hare- ardboe, Paul donaghy-Dungannon


    Shea O'Hare and Conor Owens are both u20 next year so you'd imagine they will play that.

    Surely the question will be asked to Paul Donaghy for next season. Did McShane play for Owen Roes in the championship?

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 05, 2023, 04:48:20 PM
    Another U20 I thought showed up very well was Potter in the Killyclogher v Errigal match.

    The county U20's next year should be fully loaded...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 05, 2023, 04:56:18 PM
    At a very quick glance, U20's next year

    GK?
    Michael Rafferty
    Ben Hughes
    Callan Kelly
    Hugh Cunningham
    Shea O'Hare
    Conan Devlin
    Ronan Donnelly
    Ruairi McHugh
    Cormac Devlin
    Eoin McElholm
    Gavin Potter
    Ronan Cassidy
    Conor Owens
    Noah Grimes
    Subs:
    McElhatton
    Jack martin
    R McCullagh

    Ive no doubt missed a good few as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on October 05, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
    Looks very strong
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 05, 2023, 05:50:38 PM
    Quote from: God14 on October 05, 2023, 04:56:18 PMAt a very quick glance, U20's next year

    GK?
    Michael Rafferty
    Ben Hughes
    Callan Kelly
    Hugh Cunningham
    Shea O'Hare
    Conan Devlin
    Ronan Donnelly
    Ruairi McHugh
    Cormac Devlin
    Eoin McElholm
    Gavin Potter
    Ronan Cassidy
    Conor Owens
    Noah Grimes
    Subs:
    Michael McElhatton
    Jack martin
    R McCullagh

    Ive no doubt missed a good few as well
    GK- Conor McAneney
    Joey Clarke, Oisin Gormley, Brian Hampsey, Callum Daly, Ronan Fox, Caolan Donnelly, Odhran Brolly

    No pressure Mr Devlin...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 06, 2023, 02:35:29 PM
    Call up for 2024:
    Aodhan Donaghy - Loughmacrory
    Eoin McElholm - Loughmacrory
    Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
    Cormac Donnelly - Galbally
    Lorcan McGarrity - Carrickmore
    Conor McAneney - Glenelly
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on October 06, 2023, 04:05:23 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 06, 2023, 02:35:29 PMCall up for 2024:
    Aodhan Donaghy - Loughmacrory
    Eoin McElholm - Loughmacrory
    Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
    Cormac Donnelly - Galbally
    Lorcan McGarrity - Carrickmore
    Conor McAneney - Glenelly
    Was McElholm not Australia bound?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 06, 2023, 04:34:51 PM
    Two week trial apparently
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on October 06, 2023, 05:00:53 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on October 06, 2023, 04:05:23 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 06, 2023, 02:35:29 PMCall up for 2024:
    Aodhan Donaghy - Loughmacrory
    Eoin McElholm - Loughmacrory
    Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
    Cormac Donnelly - Galbally
    Lorcan McGarrity - Carrickmore
    Conor McAneney - Glenelly
    Was McElholm not Australia bound?

    Hopefully works out for him in Australia if that is for him.  Hope there's not too much pressure put on him too soon which players like Ronan o'Neill, Mulgrew, Coney suffered with none of who really lived up to their true potential for one reason or another. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on October 15, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on September 28, 2023, 06:28:35 PMAny players impress so far? Daly - trilliuk. Ardboe - Ohare have impressed me.

    What age is ronan Mchugh from aghyaran? Always seems to impress but injuries have hampered him
    Ryan Coleman and Michael Conroy Moy. We could do worse than to give them another look at.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on October 15, 2023, 02:51:51 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on October 15, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on September 28, 2023, 06:28:35 PMAny players impress so far? Daly - trilliuk. Ardboe - Ohare have impressed me.

    What age is ronan Mchugh from aghyaran? Always seems to impress but injuries have hampered him
    Ryan Coleman and Michael Conroy Moy. We could do worse than to give them another look at.

    Talent hanging out of Conroy. Coleman another interesting option with his size as a chance could have canavan x2 and mccurry on. Wasn't he involved in the squad previously?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on October 30, 2023, 08:12:18 AM
    Club championships done and dusted, I'd probably hoped to see more new talent coming through for the county team... Not too many really stood out

    Seanie ODonnell has made strides forward and could nail a starting spot

    Daly Trillick was very good too, and merits a call up

    You'd wonder if Paul Donaghy and Rory Brennan could be tempted into a return. Paudie McNulty too

    If he's available youd have to be thinking about Eoin McElholm, although he is also eligible for u20s and seems to have impressed in his trail in Oz.

    McGleenan injury came at a bad time

    Lean enough times?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 31, 2023, 05:29:15 PM
    Ronan McNamee calls time on his Tyrone career. Has been a massive player with Tyrone at full back. Big shoes to fill.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on October 31, 2023, 05:47:20 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 31, 2023, 05:29:15 PMRonan McNamee calls time on his Tyrone career. Has been a massive player with Tyrone at full back. Big shoes to fill.

    Top class player and someone who could easily have played further forward. I think he's mobility being an issue for him last year or 2.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on October 31, 2023, 06:14:44 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 31, 2023, 05:29:15 PMRonan McNamee calls time on his Tyrone career. Has been a massive player with Tyrone at full back. Big shoes to fill.

     Size 12 I hear
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on October 31, 2023, 07:14:55 PM
    He's been some player for Tyrone. Up there in the conversation as Tyrone's best ever full back.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 31, 2023, 09:15:15 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 31, 2023, 05:29:15 PMRonan McNamee calls time on his Tyrone career. Has been a massive player with Tyrone at full back. Big shoes to fill.

    A warrior. Would have loved him in a Derry shirt.
    Retweeted one of my tweets; the highlight of my career.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 01, 2023, 01:00:39 PM
    Terrific defender and a real rock for Tyrone over many years. A little unfortunate with the general malaise in the team since 2021 that we didn't make the most of having him around for those final years of his time with Tyrone but that doesn't take away from what has been a great career. 1 All Ireland (and another final and several semi final appearances) 3 Ulsters and an All Star is an excellent haul. He has also handled himself extremely well off the field and been a great help to many. He'll be missed by Tyrone for sure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Moonshine on November 01, 2023, 04:18:03 PM
    Mc Namee will be a huge loss. Management will have to do everything in their power to get likes of ruairi brennan back out as he is the top defender in Tyrone at present you can forget about the rest that even started last year brennan twice player of these boys.

    Standard of tyrone championship was pretty poor the year not many standout performers but surely likes of will be maybe asked out:
    Daire Gallagher
    Daniel Donnelly
    Gray x2
    Donaghy loughmacrory
    Eoin mc elhom
    Pauric meenagh
    Conor mc gillion
    Michael conroy
    Ryan coleman
    Tarlach quinn
    Neil Kilpatrick
    Shea o hare
    Paul donaghy
    Peter Teague

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on November 01, 2023, 08:12:29 PM
    Quote from: Moonshine on November 01, 2023, 04:18:03 PMMc Namee will be a huge loss. Management will have to do everything in their power to get likes of ruairi brennan back out as he is the top defender in Tyrone at present you can forget about the rest that even started last year brennan twice player of these boys.

    Standard of tyrone championship was pretty poor the year not many standout performers but surely likes of will be maybe asked out:
    Daire Gallagher
    Daniel Donnelly
    Gray x2
    Donaghy loughmacrory
    Eoin mc elhom
    Pauric meenagh
    Conor mc gillion
    Michael conroy
    Ryan coleman
    Tarlach quinn
    Neil Kilpatrick
    Shea o hare
    Paul donaghy
    Peter Teague



    Hope some of these get a chance with seanie O'Donnell and Aidan Clarke getting a chance as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:09:46 PM
    McNamee was a class act at that level. Tyrone were more solid when he togged out. Up there with McGarvey.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 05, 2023, 11:34:10 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2023, 10:09:46 PMMcNamee was a class act at that level. Tyrone were more solid when he togged out. Up there with McGarvey.

    Yep!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 06, 2023, 11:46:33 AM
    new jersey to be unveiled on thursday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on November 06, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
    New Tyrone jersey is an upgrade in my opinion
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on November 09, 2023, 07:43:45 AM
    Does anyone have the national league fixtures? Was hoping to plan a weekend away in conjunction with a game
    I've been able to find the kerry fixtures and see that we are away to them on 2/3 March, but was wondering about the rest of the schedule
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on November 09, 2023, 07:54:04 AM
    Quote from: smort on November 09, 2023, 07:43:45 AMDoes anyone have the national league fixtures? Was hoping to plan a weekend away in conjunction with a game
    I've been able to find the kerry fixtures and see that we are away to them on 2/3 March, but was wondering about the rest of the schedule

    Not sure.

    Do they have to agree them for games under lights on a Saturday evening, with tv companies?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on November 09, 2023, 02:57:58 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on November 06, 2023, 02:28:15 PMNew Tyrone jersey is an upgrade in my opinion

    I'm not sure about it, but it's a nice change from the horrendous and plain ones we have had for a number of years.

    Also, noticing it costs £54(€62), but if someone in the south wants to buy it, it's €75. Same for all GAA jerseys.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on November 09, 2023, 10:48:16 PM
    Quote from: HokeyPokey on November 09, 2023, 02:57:58 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on November 06, 2023, 02:28:15 PMNew Tyrone jersey is an upgrade in my opinion

    I'm not sure about it, but it's a nice change from the horrendous and plain ones we have had for a number of years.

    Also, noticing it costs £54(€62), but if someone in the south wants to buy it, it's €75. Same for all GAA jerseys.

    Here they've €10+ Billion to spend down there. Let them pay a bit extra!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on November 17, 2023, 07:14:14 PM
    With the allstars on tonight is there any word of Tyrone starting back up? Any new faces on and off the pitch?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on November 17, 2023, 09:44:11 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 17, 2023, 07:14:14 PMWith the allstars on tonight is there any word of Tyrone starting back up? Any new faces on and off the pitch?

    Started back weeks ago as did every other county.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: FearCrua8 on November 20, 2023, 11:41:32 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 17, 2023, 07:14:14 PMWith the allstars on tonight is there any word of Tyrone starting back up? Any new faces on and off the pitch?

    Hearing alot of new faces up. Good to see
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2023, 11:46:40 AM
    Quote from: FearCrua8 on November 20, 2023, 11:41:32 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 17, 2023, 07:14:14 PMWith the allstars on tonight is there any word of Tyrone starting back up? Any new faces on and off the pitch?

    Hearing alot of new faces up. Good to see
    I had previously heard:

    Aodhan Donaghy - Loughmacrory
    Eoin McElholm - Loughmacrory
    Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
    Cormac Donnelly - Galbally
    Lorcan McGarrity - Carrickmore
    Conor McAneney - Glenelly
    Tiernan Quinn - Coalisland

    Anyone else?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on November 20, 2023, 11:52:03 AM
    And would these new faces have names or is it all top secret?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sensethetone on November 20, 2023, 12:43:59 PM
    We're missing Under Lights/ South Tyrone Gael now.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on November 20, 2023, 04:08:07 PM
    Quote from: the_daddy on November 20, 2023, 03:24:57 PMRonan Duffin, Ben Cullen and Conall Devlin have been mentioned as call-ups.

    Conall Devlin a top ball carrier if at full fitness
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: superstar_ on November 21, 2023, 09:29:39 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2023, 11:46:40 AM
    Quote from: FearCrua8 on November 20, 2023, 11:41:32 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 17, 2023, 07:14:14 PMWith the allstars on tonight is there any word of Tyrone starting back up? Any new faces on and off the pitch?

    Hearing alot of new faces up. Good to see
    I had previously heard:

    Aodhan Donaghy - Loughmacrory
    Eoin McElholm - Loughmacrory
    Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
    Cormac Donnelly - Galbally
    Lorcan McGarrity - Carrickmore
    Conor McAneney - Glenelly
    Tiernan Quinn - Coalisland

    Anyone else?
    Quote from: the_daddy on November 20, 2023, 03:24:57 PMRonan Duffin, Ben Cullen and Conall Devlin have been mentioned as call-ups.

    Would any of these call ups actually improve Tyrone anywhere? Can not see  any of them making any impact.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: time ticking away on November 21, 2023, 10:05:17 AM
    Quote from: superstar_ on November 21, 2023, 09:29:39 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2023, 11:46:40 AM
    Quote from: FearCrua8 on November 20, 2023, 11:41:32 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 17, 2023, 07:14:14 PMWith the allstars on tonight is there any word of Tyrone starting back up? Any new faces on and off the pitch?

    Hearing alot of new faces up. Good to see
    I had previously heard:

    Aodhan Donaghy - Loughmacrory
    Eoin McElholm - Loughmacrory
    Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
    Cormac Donnelly - Galbally
    Lorcan McGarrity - Carrickmore
    Conor McAneney - Glenelly
    Tiernan Quinn - Coalisland

    Anyone else?
    Quote from: the_daddy on November 20, 2023, 03:24:57 PMRonan Duffin, Ben Cullen and Conall Devlin have been mentioned as call-ups.

    Would any of these call ups actually improve Tyrone anywhere? Can not see  any of them making any impact.
    New panelists don't normally make an immediate impact on any county team.
    Whoever is brought in will need a year or two before they start showing what they are capable of.
    Mattie Donnelly is a perfect example
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 21, 2023, 10:42:08 AM
    Quote from: superstar_ on November 21, 2023, 09:29:39 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2023, 11:46:40 AM
    Quote from: FearCrua8 on November 20, 2023, 11:41:32 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 17, 2023, 07:14:14 PMWith the allstars on tonight is there any word of Tyrone starting back up? Any new faces on and off the pitch?

    Hearing alot of new faces up. Good to see
    I had previously heard:

    Aodhan Donaghy - Loughmacrory
    Eoin McElholm - Loughmacrory
    Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
    Cormac Donnelly - Galbally
    Lorcan McGarrity - Carrickmore
    Conor McAneney - Glenelly
    Tiernan Quinn - Coalisland

    Anyone else?
    Quote from: the_daddy on November 20, 2023, 03:24:57 PMRonan Duffin, Ben Cullen and Conall Devlin have been mentioned as call-ups.

    Would any of these call ups actually improve Tyrone anywhere? Can not see  any of them making any impact.

    I dont think so myself.

    Eoin McElholm possibly.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on November 21, 2023, 10:45:02 AM
    Quote from: God14 on November 21, 2023, 10:42:08 AM
    Quote from: superstar_ on November 21, 2023, 09:29:39 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 20, 2023, 11:46:40 AM
    Quote from: FearCrua8 on November 20, 2023, 11:41:32 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 17, 2023, 07:14:14 PMWith the allstars on tonight is there any word of Tyrone starting back up? Any new faces on and off the pitch?

    Hearing alot of new faces up. Good to see
    I had previously heard:

    Aodhan Donaghy - Loughmacrory
    Eoin McElholm - Loughmacrory
    Tarlach Quinn - Moortown
    Cormac Donnelly - Galbally
    Lorcan McGarrity - Carrickmore
    Conor McAneney - Glenelly
    Tiernan Quinn - Coalisland

    Anyone else?
    Quote from: the_daddy on November 20, 2023, 03:24:57 PMRonan Duffin, Ben Cullen and Conall Devlin have been mentioned as call-ups.

    Would any of these call ups actually improve Tyrone anywhere? Can not see  any of them making any impact.

    I dont think so myself.

    Eoin McElholm possibly.

    The first 15/18 players has barely changed in the last few years. Some big retirements incoming too. Really need to be bedding in a good few younger players this season.

    Might bring some drive back that's been lost since the AI win too
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2023, 11:22:03 AM
    It would be my hope that Sean O'Donnell, Daley Jones, Ryan Jones etc. push on this year and make themselves starters or sub options in the half back half forward lines. Tyrone lack pace and drive from these areas and these players have that pace and line breaking capability that hopefully we can see coming into the team next year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on November 21, 2023, 01:28:35 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2023, 11:22:03 AMIt would be my hope that Sean O'Donnell, Daley Jones, Ryan Jones etc. push on this year and make themselves starters or sub options in the half back half forward lines. Tyrone lack pace and drive from these areas and these players have that pace and line breaking capability that hopefully we can see coming into the team next year.

    Plenty of options. Cush and Clarke something to offer. Forward line needs a change to combine with Canavans and McCurry. Can the 3 of them start on same team?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on November 21, 2023, 03:00:04 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2023, 11:22:03 AMIt would be my hope that Sean O'Donnell, Daley Jones, Ryan Jones etc. push on this year and make themselves starters or sub options in the half back half forward lines. Tyrone lack pace and drive from these areas and these players have that pace and line breaking capability that hopefully we can see coming into the team next year.

    What ages are them Jones lads? Thought they'd have made their breakthrough by this stage. One of them struggled to start for the Clarkes did he not?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 21, 2023, 03:22:50 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 21, 2023, 01:28:35 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2023, 11:22:03 AMIt would be my hope that Sean O'Donnell, Daley Jones, Ryan Jones etc. push on this year and make themselves starters or sub options in the half back half forward lines. Tyrone lack pace and drive from these areas and these players have that pace and line breaking capability that hopefully we can see coming into the team next year.

    Plenty of options. Cush and Clarke something to offer. Forward line needs a change to combine with Canavans and McCurry. Can the 3 of them start on same team?

    I dont think you can start those 3. All under 6ft. Playing against massed defence's its imperative to have varied / aerial options. Hopefully McGleenan & McShane can get a run at it fitness wise. I know McShane underwent surgery again in September. If that were to finally end his injury nightmare we could be in business.

    You'd also be hoping for progression now from the likes of Niall Devlin, Eoin Corry, Aidan Clarke, Joe Oguz, Sean O'Donnell, Conor Cush

    We could really do with Rory Brennan returning. Stand out defender in the county.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BIGONE on November 21, 2023, 03:45:41 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2023, 11:22:03 AMIt would be my hope that Sean O'Donnell, Daley Jones, Ryan Jones etc. push on this year and make themselves starters or sub options in the half back half forward lines. Tyrone lack pace and drive from these areas and these players have that pace and line breaking capability that hopefully we can see coming into the team next year.

    If we are depending on the Jones lads we are in bother. From what I seen of them this year they aren't at that level. O'Donnell is excellent. Will Gray get a look in? Joe Oguz should push through. Been impressive this season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 22, 2023, 10:08:59 AM
    Quote from: God14 on November 21, 2023, 03:22:50 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on November 21, 2023, 01:28:35 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on November 21, 2023, 11:22:03 AMIt would be my hope that Sean O'Donnell, Daley Jones, Ryan Jones etc. push on this year and make themselves starters or sub options in the half back half forward lines. Tyrone lack pace and drive from these areas and these players have that pace and line breaking capability that hopefully we can see coming into the team next year.

    Plenty of options. Cush and Clarke something to offer. Forward line needs a change to combine with Canavans and McCurry. Can the 3 of them start on same team?

    I dont think you can start those 3. All under 6ft. Playing against massed defence's its imperative to have varied / aerial options. Hopefully McGleenan & McShane can get a run at it fitness wise. I know McShane underwent surgery again in September. If that were to finally end his injury nightmare we could be in business.

    You'd also be hoping for progression now from the likes of Niall Devlin, Eoin Corry, Aidan Clarke, Joe Oguz, Sean O'Donnell, Conor Cush

    We could really do with Rory Brennan returning. Stand out defender in the county.
    That would be a massive boost if he could be talked into coming back on board. If Tyrone have Brennan in at 6, the defence would be in a better place. Would need to find a corner back (Aidan Clarke would be my choice) and a wing back (hope would be Sean O'Donnell or Meyler with Sean O'Donnell then at 10)
    McKernan Hampsey Clarke
    ODonnell/Meyler Brennan Harte
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on November 27, 2023, 11:59:57 AM
    Good few new faces here

    Wouldn't know a lot of them. I see big Donnelly from Galbally and Tarlach Quinn Moortown but would need help with a loft of the faces

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=735103481992541&id=100064786864219 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=735103481992541&id=100064786864219)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 27, 2023, 12:32:15 PM
    Eagled eyed smort! fair play

    struggling to identify half a dozen of them myself. Great to see so many new faces though. Roll on McKenna cup
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 27, 2023, 12:34:49 PM
    Is that Conall Grimes, Loughmacrory? front row next to Dalaigh Jones?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on November 27, 2023, 12:38:57 PM
    Think that's tiernan quinn Coalisland
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on November 27, 2023, 12:39:41 PM
    Ah yes... your right
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Degrassi Hi on December 01, 2023, 09:10:18 AM
    Does anyone know if Paul Donaghy has re-joined the squad? Something badly wrong there if not.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on December 05, 2023, 09:37:21 PM
    Interesting recommendation at the AGM from the county committee looking players not in the match day squad to be released to play for their clubs.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on December 05, 2023, 10:28:15 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on December 05, 2023, 09:37:21 PMInteresting recommendation at the AGM from the county committee looking players not in the match day squad to be released to play for their clubs.

    That's a fair enough agreement I think.

    Only 20 lads can play.  A panel has what, 30 lads?

    Let them go and play club games on a game by game basis.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 05, 2023, 10:48:22 PM
    https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/12/05/news/tyrone_county_committee_call_for_players_outside_matchday_26_to_be_released_to_clubs-3827454/
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on December 05, 2023, 10:57:05 PM
    Seems a great idea in theory as it gets players on edge of squad game time , but the reality of it might not be so straight forward ( as has been the case in Down).
    I take it that would be the end of the starred game system then?, and now you could have a club with two or three county men playing against another who have the same but they are unavailable, so for example Edendork (3 named in squad) v a club with two or three players not named by management . At least the started game was a relatively fair system.
    Also they only miss about 4 or 5 games a season so it's not really gonna change things that much fundamentally . As well as this does the county player train with the club during the week & the county( injury) or just rock up for the club game on Friday night with no training all week.  I think it could get messy.
    Is it not supposed to be a split season - this the reason we play the AI final in July now instead of in September.

    Quote from: marty34 on December 05, 2023, 10:28:15 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on December 05, 2023, 09:37:21 PMInteresting recommendation at the AGM from the county committee looking players not in the match day squad to be released to play for their clubs.

    That's a fair enough agreement I think.

    Only 20 lads can play.  A panel has what, 30 lads?

    Let them go and play club games on a game by game basis.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on December 06, 2023, 09:18:52 AM
    I saw an article on Damien Casey at the weekend. What actually happened him as I don't remember it being disclosed at the time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on December 06, 2023, 01:29:47 PM
    Tyrone NFL Fixtures 2024
    Sunday 28 Jan Roscommon (H) @ 3.45pm
    Saturday 05 Feb v Derry (A) @ 3.45pm
    Sunday 18 Feb v Galway (H) @ 1.45pm
    Saturday 24 Feb v Mayo (H) @ 5.15pm
    Sunday 03 March v Kerry (A) @ 1.15pm
    Saturday 16 March Monaghan (H) @ 7.30pm
    Sunday 24 March v Dublin (A) @ 1.45pm
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on December 06, 2023, 06:13:48 PM
    Any word of how things are going with the county panel?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on December 07, 2023, 07:13:12 AM
    That's a very kind set of fixtures.  Basically 2 road trips across 7 games.  Need a good start against the rossies.  Is there much reason to be optimistic this year that we can compete?  Or are we a year or two off yet?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on December 07, 2023, 08:23:21 AM
    Need to be beating Roscommon first up. Should have done last year and that defeat and the manner of it almost set the tone for the season. I'd be confident enough about winning our 4 home games. I don't know what I am basing that on but might as well start the season in an optimistic mood!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on December 07, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
    Should be enough to stay up going by that fixture list. As someone else said, its only 2 road trips and it's against teams you wouldn't fancy beating anyway (Kerry and Dublin).
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on December 07, 2023, 09:16:48 AM
    Fixtures def kind to us
    4 home fixtures this time, we won 3 of 3 at home last year
    Even the two trips to Killarney & Croke park, we've decent enough record there in league football and the players should relish those games
    We should finish on 8 to 10 points

    Mckenna cup draw next Tuesday evening.

    Very little info about re. the county set up. That has been a trademark of the Logan & Dooher era.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on December 07, 2023, 09:37:54 AM
    Next year they need to lay down a marker however can't see that happening. Hasn't been any major changes to either the panel or the backroom team from what I can see.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on December 07, 2023, 09:57:00 AM
    I would honestly expect more of the same from 2022 and 2023. Can't see much changing, Ronan McNamee will need replaced and that's no small task either
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on December 07, 2023, 10:04:17 AM
    I'm sure survival will go down to the last day. Probably other results to go our way on the final day to ensure Tír Eoghain stay up
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on December 07, 2023, 04:39:56 PM
    Quote from: smort on December 07, 2023, 10:04:17 AMI'm sure survival will go down to the last day. Probably other results to go our way on the final day to ensure Tír Eoghain stay up

    How sure are you ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on December 07, 2023, 05:52:17 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on December 07, 2023, 04:39:56 PM
    Quote from: smort on December 07, 2023, 10:04:17 AMI'm sure survival will go down to the last day. Probably other results to go our way on the final day to ensure Tír Eoghain stay up

    How sure are you ?

    Pretty sure - last day

    Not sure - survival

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: toby47 on December 08, 2023, 09:29:55 AM
    Any of the players that have walked in recent years back on the Tyrone panel?

    Mark Bradley, Rory Brennan, Lee Brennan, Paul Donaghy, Cormac Munroe?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on December 08, 2023, 11:48:20 AM
    Quote from: toby47 on December 08, 2023, 09:29:55 AMAny of the players that have walked in recent years back on the Tyrone panel?

    Mark Bradley, Rory Brennan, Lee Brennan, Paul Donaghy, Cormac Munroe?

    (https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E12AQGeAae6pMgw4A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1535378990719?e=1707350400&v=beta&t=T67hiKX2KjmAOfwOnSnlEQQkc8J4YnSihglJUrIF43w)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on December 08, 2023, 12:07:40 PM
    LOL Jerome

    Rory Brennan didnt burn any bridges, and left the door open.
    Of all the men whom have walked away over the past 2 years, he's the one we really need.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2023, 09:29:51 PM
    Hopes for the year v expectation?

    I hope to see a fresh McShane and the two Canavans to forge a forward line as good as the 00s.

    Expect: more of the same.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on December 27, 2023, 12:44:02 PM
    What was McShane's injury that kept him out of club football? Ankle again? At least had a bit of life to him when he came on against Kerry.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on December 27, 2023, 06:34:05 PM
    I would just like to see the best players in Tyrone playing for Tyrone.  Seems to be a problem that has crept in in recent years.  Then we might be able to compete
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on December 31, 2023, 10:40:16 AM
    Interested to see the first McKenna cup teamsheet. A lot of new faces expected and interesting to see what the approach will be.

    Assume Canavans and others will be with their universitys?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on December 31, 2023, 05:42:04 PM
    Darragh is with UU, but I don't believe Ruairi is with a university
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on December 31, 2023, 11:01:31 PM
    Quote from: God14 on December 31, 2023, 05:42:04 PMDarragh is with UU, but I don't believe Ruairi is with a university

    2nd year Sports exercise science(!) according to Sigerson panels.
    https://twitter.com/score_beo/status/1740817210887803033?s=46&t=DMV_b69FttsNJUeqtS-Zyg
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 02, 2024, 11:39:59 PM
    Michael Rafferty, Killyclogher GAA, and Ruaírí McHugh, Na Fianna, have been selected as Tyrone Under 20 Football Captain and Vice-Captain respectively.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2024, 10:09:54 PM
    Looking forward to seeing what has changed this year on Sunday, against a rampant and high-spirited Donegal.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2024, 11:32:34 PM
    Niall Sludden gone. What a player.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 05, 2024, 11:40:19 PM
    Yes but it's great that he retires with an all ireland medal in his back pocket.  Fair play. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on January 06, 2024, 07:14:18 AM
    Will we have any Trillick players back yet?

    I heard there are loads of injuries?
    Expectations very low.
    Could end up supporting our neighbours this year where I went to school.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 06, 2024, 07:49:16 AM
    A few regulars on a stag do at the beginning of the week also

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 06, 2024, 11:50:34 AM
    A year of transition ahead for sure but I'm going to try and be optimistic. It's the first week in Jan after all

    So many spots in the side up for grabs. Tee Quinn and Lorcan McGarritty have done really well for the county at underage level and also for their club at senior level. They deserve and look likely to get their chance.

    Hoping to see progression from the likes of Mike McGleenan, with his size and athleticism he could may hay with the advanced mark

    McShane has had surgery and word is the injury he suffered in 2020 could finally be behind him

    Seanie O'Donnell looks primed to kick on and nail a starting spot. To a slightly lesser extent, Aidan Clarke as well

    Joe Oguz was, imho, the best player on show in this year's club SFC. I expect him to kick on now

    We have the Canavans! Generational talents. Enjoy them

    Mattie will be back in March, a few months ago I thought that was it

    I do think management need to be ruthless early on though. The season is too short now. Some guys who have been on the panel for a while, especially that 2015 U21 group, need culled.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 06, 2024, 12:11:22 PM
    Sludden was a great servant and a really classy player, always a pleasure to watch. All the best to him.

    No idea what to expect the next few months. Perhaps the key thing is to see real signs of a new team emerging. We looked like a rudderless ship the last couple of seasons.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 06, 2024, 02:36:11 PM
    Tyrone V Donegal (McKenna Cup Round 1)

    1. Niall Morgan (Edendork)
    2. Conall Devlin (Dungannon)
    3. Nathan McCarron (Dromore)
    4. Aidan Clarke (Omagh)
    5. Tarlach Quinn (Moortown)
    6. Michael McKernan (Coalisland)
    7. Niall Devlin (Coalisland)
    8. Brian Kennedy (Derrylaughan)
    9. Aodhan Donaghy (Loughmacrory)
    10. Dalaigh Jones (Dungannon)
    11. Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran)
    12. James Donaghy (Carrickmore)
    13. Conor Cush (Donaghmore)
    14. Darragh Canavan (Errigal Ciaran)
    15. Ruairi Canavan (Errigal Ciaran)

    16. Lorcan Quinn (Donaghmore)
    17. Ben Cullen (Edendork)
    18. Ciaran Daly (Trillick)
    19. Steve Donaghy (Moy)
    20. James Garrity (Trillick)
    21. Liam Gray (Trillick)
    22. Ryan Jones (Dungannon)
    23. Conn Kilpatrick (Edendork)
    24. Lorcan McGarrity (Carrickmore)
    25. Seanie O'Donnell (Trillick)
    26. Tiarnan Quinn (Coalisland)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 06, 2024, 04:03:28 PM
    Looks like those at the stag do have been omitted

    Important year for Cush. Canavan, Canavan & Cush has a familiar ring!

    That 15 looks a bit small. Donegal have plenty of big trees, and Patton can find them at ease
    Hopefully plenty of running and tenacity however. We've missed that Tyrone bite and defiance in the wing back and wing forward positions of late

    Good to see the trillick men involved, although the main man still missing
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 06, 2024, 09:07:42 PM
    Cush and R canavan inside, D canavan out?. Interested to see style of play and if anyone out their hands up for a jersey
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on January 07, 2024, 07:12:16 AM
    Fresh looking squad, really interested to see how they go. Although it will be very tough with Jim naming such a strong Donegal team, both in terms of quality and physicality
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 07, 2024, 09:43:42 AM
    Very strong Donegal team especially their full forward line. Stern test for our 3 lads back there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 08, 2024, 09:45:55 AM
    I know he's still U21 but could we see Ruairi McHugh in the senior setup? He's a serious big unit.
    Tried to watch the game yesterday. Difficult to really tell what was going on at times. Suppose it is a run out. Big year ahead for some lads. Real chance to put their hand up for a jersey. We have some talent in the county. Hopefully we will start to see that bear fruit.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 08, 2024, 09:48:31 AM
    Did Dooher say that Ruairi Canavan broke his finger in the warm up? Disappointing if he is going to he missing for a spell when we're trying to settle him into the team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on January 08, 2024, 09:54:09 AM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 08, 2024, 09:48:31 AMDid Dooher say that Ruairi Canavan broke his finger in the warm up? Disappointing if he is going to he missing for a spell when we're trying to settle him into the team.

    Liam Gray broke his finger pre match. Canavan was sick
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 08, 2024, 11:09:11 AM
    Worrisome how many times we were carved open for goal chances. A common theme last season.
    Decent showings from Aidan Clarke, Niall Devlin, Kennedy, Conn, Darragh & Seanie O'D.

    Dooher was very cagey in his presser afterwards discussing players to come back in. True to form at this stage. Wouldnt even say what players were definitely ruled out for the Roscommon game, never mind who and when would come back in to the panel.

    Anyway. Onwards to Wednesday night. Id assume the 5 or 6 lads at the stag party will rejoin the matchday squad. McCurry must be due back from holiday as well. So we should have a more experienced squad.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 08, 2024, 11:30:18 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on January 08, 2024, 09:54:09 AM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 08, 2024, 09:48:31 AMDid Dooher say that Ruairi Canavan broke his finger in the warm up? Disappointing if he is going to he missing for a spell when we're trying to settle him into the team.

    Liam Gray broke his finger pre match. Canavan was sick

    Thanks GlenMan. Hope Gray isn't out too long.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 08, 2024, 09:28:38 PM
    Who's the 4/5 on stag do? Hampsey, mcshane i assume are 2.

    Did anyone see men along the sideline not stripped? Is Peter Teague about this year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 09, 2024, 07:40:15 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 08, 2024, 09:28:38 PMWho's the 4/5 on stag do? Hampsey, mcshane i assume are 2.

    Did anyone see men along the sideline not stripped? Is Peter Teague about this year?

    Frank Burns, Kieran McGeary, Richie Donnelly

    Surprised no Mickey O'Neill on the 26. Maybe he was with them as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on January 09, 2024, 07:51:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on January 09, 2024, 07:40:15 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 08, 2024, 09:28:38 PMWho's the 4/5 on stag do? Hampsey, mcshane i assume are 2.

    Did anyone see men along the sideline not stripped? Is Peter Teague about this year?

    Frank Burns, Kieran McGeary, Richie Donnelly

    Surprised no Mickey O'Neill on the 26. Maybe he was with them as well
    Looked like he was on a stag do all 22 and 23
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 09, 2024, 07:52:48 AM
    With the UU students playing at the same time tomorrow night, we will be down quite a few numbers from Sundays 26.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2024, 10:31:23 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 08, 2024, 09:28:38 PMWho's the 4/5 on stag do? Hampsey, mcshane i assume are 2.

    Did anyone see men along the sideline not stripped? Is Peter Teague about this year?
    Peter Teague hasn't been called back up.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 09, 2024, 02:38:05 PM
    two keepers named amongst the subs for tomorrow evenings game...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2024, 05:31:19 PM
    Tyrone Squad – BOI Dr McKenna Cup R3 – Wednesday 10th January

    1. Niall Morgan (Éadan na dTorc)
    2. Conall Devlin (Dún Geanainn)
    3. Michael McKernan (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    4. Aidan Clarke (An Ómaigh)
    5. Ben Cullen (Éadan na dTorc)
    6. Tarlach Quinn (Baile na Móna)
    7. Niall Devlin (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    8. Brian Kennedy (Doire Locháin)
    9. Aodhan Donaghy (Loch Mhic Ruairí)
    10. Ryan Jones (Dún Geanainn)
    11. Peter Harte (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    12. Ciarán Daly (Trí Leac)
    13. James Garrity (Trí Leac)
    14. Lorcan McGarrity (An Charraig Mhór)
    15. Tiarnan Quinn (Oileán a'Ghuail)

    16. Lorcan Quinn (Domhnach Mór)
    17. James Donaghy (An Charraig Mhór)
    18. Padraig Hampsey (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    19. Dalaigh Jones (Dún Geanainn)
    20. Conn Kilpatrick (Éadan na dTorc)
    21. Nathan McCarron (An Droim Mór)
    22. Darren McCurry (Éadan na dTorc)
    23. David Mulgrew (Ard Bó)
    24. Seanie O'Donnell (Trí Leac)
    25. Oisin O'Kane (Loch Mhic Ruairí)
    26. Cormac Quinn (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:05:16 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2024, 05:31:19 PMTyrone Squad – BOI Dr McKenna Cup R3 – Wednesday 10th January

    1. Niall Morgan (Éadan na dTorc)
    2. Conall Devlin (Dún Geanainn)
    3. Michael McKernan (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    4. Aidan Clarke (An Ómaigh)
    5. Ben Cullen (Éadan na dTorc)
    6. Tarlach Quinn (Baile na Móna)
    7. Niall Devlin (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    8. Brian Kennedy (Doire Locháin)
    9. Aodhan Donaghy (Loch Mhic Ruairí)
    10. Ryan Jones (Dún Geanainn)
    11. Peter Harte (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    12. Ciarán Daly (Trí Leac)
    13. James Garrity (Trí Leac)
    14. Lorcan McGarrity (An Charraig Mhór)
    15. Tiarnan Quinn (Oileán a'Ghuail)

    16. Lorcan Quinn (Domhnach Mór)
    17. James Donaghy (An Charraig Mhór)
    18. Padraig Hampsey (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    19. Dalaigh Jones (Dún Geanainn)
    20. Conn Kilpatrick (Éadan na dTorc)
    21. Nathan McCarron (An Droim Mór)
    22. Darren McCurry (Éadan na dTorc)
    23. David Mulgrew (Ard Bó)
    24. Seanie O'Donnell (Trí Leac)
    25. Oisin O'Kane (Loch Mhic Ruairí)
    26. Cormac Quinn (Aireagal Chiaráin)

    Any word on mcshane these days. Should he not be getting as much time under his belt as possible
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 09, 2024, 07:59:52 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 09, 2024, 10:31:23 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 08, 2024, 09:28:38 PMWho's the 4/5 on stag do? Hampsey, mcshane i assume are 2.

    Did anyone see men along the sideline not stripped? Is Peter Teague about this year?
    Peter Teague hasn't been called back up.

    Thanks presume no sign of Paul Donaghy or Conroy either
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on January 10, 2024, 07:01:54 PM
    Conor Owens among the subs tonight
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 10, 2024, 09:16:59 PM
    Good first half but pretty poor in the 2nd half.

    Not sure if anyone new has put their hand up for selection for the first league game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 10, 2024, 09:19:16 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 10, 2024, 09:16:59 PMGood first half but pretty poor in the 2nd half.

    Not sure if anyone new has put their hand up for selection for the first league game.

    Clarke and conall devlin could start in the corners but not sure about anyone else. Not many new players that look like breaking lines but suppose early days for them
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 10, 2024, 09:27:27 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 10, 2024, 09:19:16 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 10, 2024, 09:16:59 PMGood first half but pretty poor in the 2nd half.

    Not sure if anyone new has put their hand up for selection for the first league game.

    Clarke and conall devlin could start in the corners but not sure about anyone else. Not many new players that look like breaking lines but suppose early days for them

    Yeah think possibly one of those 2 will get a go if Hampsey and McKernan are the other 2 in the full back line.

    It'll be back to the likes of Burns, McGeary and O'Neill for Roscommon you'd imagine.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on January 10, 2024, 09:32:00 PM
    McGeary has to go for an operation.

    Has anyone got the win/loss record of the current management in competitive games?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 10, 2024, 09:32:42 PM
    Yeah disappointing for sure

    10+ wides
    Concession of at least half dozen frees in easy scoring zone
    Continuation of leaking heavy scores.
    Loads of misplaced passes, underhit passes, poor decision making

    Structurally something isn't right either. Even when we had a 3 point lead, we were too frantic chasing next score. Eventually we lose all all shape, structure & positioning, when the move breaks down we are right open. It was like that last year as well

    We had a few really poor individual displays as well, it has to be said. A few lads are well off the standard required at the moment

    Obviously a very experimental side, we have loads of men to come back on. But that January optimism is fading already

    Need to get a good friendly organised before the Roscommon game, alot of work to do.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on January 10, 2024, 09:39:40 PM
    Has to be said but many lads playing who have never stood out for me at any level
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 10, 2024, 09:50:00 PM
    Quote from: Jerome on January 10, 2024, 09:32:00 PMMcGeary has to go for an operation.

    Has anyone got the win/loss record of the current management in competitive games?

    I make it (excluding McKenna Cup)

    2021 - W5 D1 L1 (only 3 games in NFL)
    2022 - W4 D1 L5
    2023 - W6 D1 L6

    So overall that's W15 D3 L12 - 50% win rate.

    McKenna Cup for what it's worth (obviously very little in the grand scheme of things) is W2 D1 L5

    Open to correction on these figures but not far away.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 11, 2024, 07:54:52 AM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on January 10, 2024, 09:39:40 PMHas to be said but many lads playing who have never stood out for me at any level

    Tarlac Quinn the pick of the newcomers. A good addition in the half back line, plenty of interceptions and good driving forward. Lorcan McGarrity positive too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Onthe40 on January 11, 2024, 09:06:42 AM
    not sure on Mcgarrity, completely scoffed 2-3 gilt edge goal chances, bit of the Hojlund about him..agree in that a lot of the new lads not of senior level yet... serious amount of possession given away under little pressure
    Mckernan and Morgan going well though and Kilpatrick looks dominant when he comes in
    early days
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 11, 2024, 10:00:47 AM
    Agree on Quinn at 6. Thought he was excellent. Young Jones did well. Kennedy and Kilpatrick are two absolute units. Tyrone missed a lot of goal chances. 3 for sure. Also picked the wrong option a lot of times. But that will hopefully  come. The team has changed a lot in 2-3 years.

    I'd be positive enough. You've the two Canavans, McCurry, Hampsey, Meyler? big McGleenan? possibly McShane? Hopefully they have enough to hold their own in Div 1.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 11, 2024, 10:11:54 AM
    Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 10:00:47 AMAgree on Quinn at 6. Thought he was excellent. Young Jones did well. Kennedy and Kilpatrick are two absolute units. Tyrone missed a lot of goal chances. 3 for sure. Also picked the wrong option a lot of times. But that will hopefully  come. The team has changed a lot in 2-3 years.

    I'd be positive enough. You've the two Canavans, McCurry, Hampsey, Meyler? big McGleenan? possibly McShane? Hopefully they have enough to hold their own in Div 1.


    It has and it hasn't. Come the business end of league and championship would anybody be majorly surprised to see most of Morgan, McKernan, Hampsey, Harte, McGeary, Meyler, Burns, Kilpatrick, Kennedy, O'Neill, McCurry, M Donnelly starting? All started the All Ireland Final in 2021 and also all played a part in the disastrous last 2 years. Squad turnover is high alright but in terms of the team it'll be much of the same.

    I think we will stay up fairly comfortably in Division 1 but think an All Ireland QF may be our limit or if we get a good draw maybe squeak into a SF.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 11, 2024, 10:33:56 AM
    Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 10:00:47 AMAgree on Quinn at 6. Thought he was excellent. Young Jones did well. Kennedy and Kilpatrick are two absolute units. Tyrone missed a lot of goal chances. 3 for sure. Also picked the wrong option a lot of times. But that will hopefully  come. The team has changed a lot in 2-3 years.

    I'd be positive enough. You've the two Canavans, McCurry, Hampsey, Meyler? big McGleenan? possibly McShane? Hopefully they have enough to hold their own in Div 1.


    Where is Oguz and also Cush at half forward for UUJ looked the part
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on January 11, 2024, 11:15:44 AM
    Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 10:00:47 AMAgree on Quinn at 6. Thought he was excellent. Young Jones did well. Kennedy and Kilpatrick are two absolute units. Tyrone missed a lot of goal chances. 3 for sure. Also picked the wrong option a lot of times. But that will hopefully  come. The team has changed a lot in 2-3 years.

    I'd be positive enough. You've the two Canavans, McCurry, Hampsey, Meyler? big McGleenan? possibly McShane? Hopefully they have enough to hold their own in Div 1.


    Not sure if McGleenan or young Mchugh in U20's will be cut out at that level. Size can take you a long way in underage football, if you're not athletic enough it doesn't translate to senior county.

    I'd be sounding out Malachy O'Rourke in about 2 weeks time should Glen win the All-Ireland Club, get the wheels in motion because I can only see 3 bad years on the bounce here. Them men done wonders to get an AI in 21, players and management both.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 11, 2024, 12:01:28 PM
    Quote from: ClubScene13 on January 11, 2024, 11:15:44 AM
    Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 10:00:47 AMAgree on Quinn at 6. Thought he was excellent. Young Jones did well. Kennedy and Kilpatrick are two absolute units. Tyrone missed a lot of goal chances. 3 for sure. Also picked the wrong option a lot of times. But that will hopefully  come. The team has changed a lot in 2-3 years.

    I'd be positive enough. You've the two Canavans, McCurry, Hampsey, Meyler? big McGleenan? possibly McShane? Hopefully they have enough to hold their own in Div 1.


    Not sure if McGleenan or young Mchugh in U20's will be cut out at that level. Size can take you a long way in underage football, if you're not athletic enough it doesn't translate to senior county.

    I'd be sounding out Malachy O'Rourke in about 2 weeks time should Glen win the All-Ireland Club, get the wheels in motion because I can only see 3 bad years on the bounce here. Them men done wonders to get an AI in 21, players and management both.

    Well you'd be wasting your time. They got another 3 year term last Summer.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 11, 2024, 12:14:10 PM
    1. Niall Morgan
    2. Aidan Clarke
    3. Padraig Hampsey
    4. Michael McKernan
    5. Frank Burns
    6. Tarlach Quinn
    7. Peter Harte
    8. Brian Kennedy
    9. Conn Kilpatrick
    10. Sean O'Donnell
    11. Joe Oguz
    12. Ruairi Canavan
    13. Darren McCurry
    14. Cathal McShane
    15. Darragh Canavan
    What I expect for NFL, assuming Oguz, McShane and Burns are fit and that Mattie, McGeary and Meyler are injured.
    Would this team beat Roscommon and stay in Division 1 if Mattie, Meyler and McGeary miss the majority?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 11, 2024, 12:18:12 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 11, 2024, 12:14:10 PM1. Niall Morgan
    2. Aidan Clarke
    3. Padraig Hampsey
    4. Michael McKernan
    5. Frank Burns
    6. Tarlach Quinn
    7. Peter Harte
    8. Brian Kennedy
    9. Conn Kilpatrick
    10. Sean O'Donnell
    11. Joe Oguz
    12. Ruairi Canavan
    13. Darren McCurry
    14. Cathal McShane
    15. Darragh Canavan
    What I expect for NFL, assuming Oguz, McShane and Burns are fit and that Mattie, McGeary and Meyler are injured.
    Would this team beat Roscommon and stay in Division 1 if Mattie, Meyler and McGeary miss the majority?

    Cant see this being far away but who knows with McShane
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: gmcc on January 11, 2024, 12:18:43 PM
    How does mcshane deserve to start in that team? He has been brutal since after than injury, and played no club football last year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: imtommygunn on January 11, 2024, 12:19:54 PM
    How long will Mattie Donnelly be out for?

    Ruairi Canavan quiet enough for UU I thought. A few other forwards were more impressive which I was surprised at.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 11, 2024, 12:22:38 PM
    Quote from: gmcc on January 11, 2024, 12:18:43 PMHow does mcshane deserve to start in that team? He has been brutal since after than injury, and played no club football last year.
    Who is your alternative for full forward? Last year showed they need a vocal point to play against the top teams.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 11, 2024, 01:52:28 PM
    Quote from: imtommygunn on January 11, 2024, 12:19:54 PMHow long will Mattie Donnelly be out for?

    Ruairi Canavan quiet enough for UU I thought. A few other forwards were more impressive which I was surprised at.

    Niall Loughlin was impressive from what I seen. Maybe he is overshadowed by other players at county level but he looked good last night in the clips that I seen.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: imtommygunn on January 11, 2024, 02:38:11 PM
    Yeah I thought he really stood out. Canavan maybe better out in half forwards - think he was corner forward most of the game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 11, 2024, 02:51:16 PM
    Quote from: imtommygunn on January 11, 2024, 02:38:11 PMYeah I thought he really stood out. Canavan maybe better out in half forwards - think he was corner forward most of the game.

    Stood out in previous years as well for UUJ. Does okay for Derry but capable of more as has the quality. He is a fair bit older and experienced that the other lads which has to be taken into account
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 10:50:59 AM
    Quote from: imtommygunn on January 11, 2024, 12:19:54 PMHow long will Mattie Donnelly be out for?

    Ruairi Canavan quiet enough for UU I thought. A few other forwards were more impressive which I was surprised at.

    2 points from play, involved in setting up a couple of others - not a bad game either. Cush looked lively at half forward, has size about him for kickouts
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 17, 2024, 09:48:02 AM
    https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/richie-donnelly-calls-time-on-tyrone-career-ILA4L26LYVE5FP5SVO6LCCB2VM/

    TYRONE have been dealt another retirement blow with the news that Richie Donnelly has opted out for the incoming season.

    The Trillick man's decision comes just over a week out from the beginning of the Allianz League and is something of a surprise.

    While recent seasons had been constantly disrupted by niggly injuries, Donnelly's autumn form was the best of his career as he guided Trillick to a league and championship double in Tyrone.

    In the absence of his brother Mattie and other key players, he stepped up along with Rory Brennan in particular and propelled them to within a whisker of an Ulster final, losing an epic semi-final to Scotstown after extra-time.

    He didn't start a game for Tyrone in 2023 however, making just seven substitute appearances and getting no game time in the All-Ireland quarter-final defeat by Kerry.

    The former St Michael's Enniskillen student made his debut off the bench against Limerick in the first round of the All-Ireland qualifiers in 2015.

    He has gone on to make 71 appearances for the Red Hands at senior level, with 29 of those coming in the championship and another 29 in the League, scoring 2-53 in the process.

    Donnelly was part of the 2021 All-Ireland winning panel, although he wasn't in the matchday 26 for the final as he struggled to shake off the effects of Covid having contracted it the week before the Ulster final in the middle of a condensed championship.

    He was named to start the 2018 final against Dublin but was replaced before throw-in by his clubmate Rory Brennan.

    Donnelly came on in the second half but the game was already gone by then.

    His brother Mattie has declared his intention to stay on despite spending the winter recuperating from another serious leg injury, while Peter Harte's appearance in the McKenna Cup indicates there's unlikely to be any more major surprises for Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher to deal with.

    They lost Donnelly's 2010 All-Ireland minor winning team-mate Niall Sludden to retirement in recent weeks.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on January 17, 2024, 10:40:37 AM
    Why does nobody want to play county for Tyrone anymore?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 17, 2024, 10:51:47 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 17, 2024, 10:40:37 AMWhy does nobody want to play county for Tyrone anymore?

    It is getting very close (maybe it already has) got to the stage whereby the team of players who have walked/declined would beat the current starting 15.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone86 on January 17, 2024, 11:10:38 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on January 17, 2024, 10:51:47 AM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on January 17, 2024, 10:40:37 AMWhy does nobody want to play county for Tyrone anymore?

    It is getting very close (maybe it already has) got to the stage whereby the team of players who have walked/declined would beat the current starting 15.

    Other than McNamee and Rory Brennan who has walked away while they were a starter?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on January 17, 2024, 11:48:26 AM
    Munroe played the full league last year. Bradley and mccann were starting a right bit. Sludden retiring fairly early considering he was playing every game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 17, 2024, 12:13:03 PM
    Training would be hit a fair bit. Add into that Donaghy, J Munroe, P Teague, Conroy and M Cassidy it is a fair bit of quality that isnt available.

    Understand that these players may train all year and maybe not see much game time
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 17, 2024, 12:22:32 PM
    Good enough. Frees space up in the squad for younger players. County is full of players who want to play for the team. If you don't want to commit and put the effort in then you're not good enough to wear the jersey regardless of talent.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 17, 2024, 12:32:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on January 17, 2024, 11:48:26 AMMunroe played the full league last year. Bradley and mccann were starting a right bit. Sludden retiring fairly early considering he was playing every game

    Sludden started 1 league game last year and then barely featured at all in the championship. Never even got off the bench for the Kerry, Donegal and Westmeath matches. Obviously had slipped well down the pecking order of Dooher and Logan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 17, 2024, 12:39:06 PM
    Richie had an outstanding season with the club but personally i feel he's alot more suited to the pace of the club game now. I dont think he would have got many minutes this year

    The cumulative effect of so many players making themselves unavailable has left us reeling for sure. A lengthy injury list too. I cant see anything other than two defeats in the opening two NFL games, so we will be under the microscope very soon, and the pressure is most certainly on the management team.

    Thankfully there is plenty of younger talent coming through. Some encouraging performances in Sigerson from non panelists like Eoin Corry, Brian Conway in an area of the pitch where we need reinforcement. Dooher has said the panel is fluid so lets wait & see. I think we have to be patient with some of the younger forwards as well such as Ruairi Canavan and Cush. It will take time, but the effort and quality is there.

    Biggest concern for me is around the half back line, especially 6. Id like to see a stronger pressence in there.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 17, 2024, 12:45:44 PM
    I'm fully expecting a win at home to Roscommon first day out. Derry may be a different story a week later.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone12345 on January 17, 2024, 03:10:30 PM
    Gaa tv schedules out. Tyrone games against; Roscommon, Derry, Galway, Kerry & Monaghan all live on Tg4. RTE showing the Mayo game live.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on January 17, 2024, 03:37:47 PM
    Dublin game is round 7 (last round) as well - so if it's not a dead rubber it'll be live too. That's every game.
    Hated adored never ignored as the man says
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: 5times5times on January 17, 2024, 04:17:11 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone12345 on January 17, 2024, 03:10:30 PMGaa tv schedules out. Tyrone games against; Roscommon, Derry, Galway, Kerry & Monaghan all live on Tg4. RTE showing the Mayo game live.
    Where did you find schedule?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone12345 on January 17, 2024, 04:56:38 PM
    Quote from: 5times5times on January 17, 2024, 04:17:11 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone12345 on January 17, 2024, 03:10:30 PMGaa tv schedules out. Tyrone games against; Roscommon, Derry, Galway, Kerry & Monaghan all live on Tg4. RTE showing the Mayo game live.
    Where did you find schedule?
    Reported by Niall Gartland on Twitter.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on January 17, 2024, 05:27:10 PM
    Hope I am wrong but I can see a few bleak years ahead. Over the last 10 years or so tyronehave produced a lot of talented footballers but majority of them lack the grit and determination of the successful tyrone teams in the 00s. Alot of boys now seem more concerned with their image rather than getting stuck in.

    After 1 AI alot of them walked away which you wont find in other counties.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone12345 on January 17, 2024, 06:30:05 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 17, 2024, 05:27:10 PMHope I am wrong but I can see a few bleak years ahead. Over the last 10 years or so tyronehave produced a lot of talented footballers but majority of them lack the grit and determination of the successful tyrone teams in the 00s. Alot of boys now seem more concerned with their image rather than getting stuck in.

    After 1 AI alot of them walked away which you wont find in other counties.
    Few bleak years ahead maybe, but the calibre of youth players coming through in the county is superior to any other county in Ulster in my opinion. 3 Tyrone schools in the MacRory semi final and the two Belfast sigerson teams have a large proportion of Tyrone men in the starting line ups and panels. You would imagine plenty of the all Ireland winning u20s will get their chances in the coming years but we are in a state of transition and it will more than likely take a few years to seriously compete at the top table again.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 17, 2024, 06:54:44 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone12345 on January 17, 2024, 06:30:05 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on January 17, 2024, 05:27:10 PMHope I am wrong but I can see a few bleak years ahead. Over the last 10 years or so tyronehave produced a lot of talented footballers but majority of them lack the grit and determination of the successful tyrone teams in the 00s. Alot of boys now seem more concerned with their image rather than getting stuck in.

    After 1 AI alot of them walked away which you wont find in other counties.
    Few bleak years ahead maybe, but the calibre of youth players coming through in the county is superior to any other county in Ulster in my opinion. 3 Tyrone schools in the MacRory semi final and the two Belfast sigerson teams have a large proportion of Tyrone men in the starting line ups and panels. You would imagine plenty of the all Ireland winning u20s will get their chances in the coming years but we are in a state of transition and it will more than likely take a few years to seriously compete at the top table again.
    Have to be considered favourites for the U20 All Ireland as well this year coming with the talent involved.
    Michael Rafferty, Ruairi McHugh, Ben Hughes, Joey Clarke, Callan Kelly, Shea O'Hare, Conan Devlin, Caolan Donnelly, Callum Daly, Ronan Fox, Hugh Cunningham, Ronan Donnelly, Oisin Gormley, Cormac Devlin, Gavin Potter, Conor Owens, Noah Grimes, Ronan Cassidy, Ruairi McCullagh, Eoin McElholm.
    You would hope to be looking at a fair few future senior players in that list of players.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on January 17, 2024, 07:35:05 PM
    There is a crazy amount of talent in Tyrone at the minute, but I get what you are saving Tyrone12345, it might take a few years to get a team together
    I'd hope though in the next 3 or 4 years Tyrone would be right at the top challenging for honours again
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on January 17, 2024, 09:25:49 PM
    Need the right men at the reigns to make it happen, don't think these 2 are the men given the amount of players who don't want to play for them. I would also be concerned about a lack of clear play style
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 17, 2024, 10:15:33 PM
    Even with a good manager it'll take a few years to bring these guys through.  Let the current management at it and get a good name in in a few years.  I have no faith in the current management either but they've got 3 years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 18, 2024, 08:00:26 AM
    There's no doubt there is a bit of transition going on and there's a good chance Tyrone wouldn't be All Ireland contenders no matter who was in charge. But there is enough talent in the county for us to be much better than we have shown in the last two years. We seem to lack a basic plan defensively and too many men are walking away for my liking. I really think it was time for a change and can't say I'm very hopeful for the season ahead.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 18, 2024, 09:03:32 AM
    Not like SportsJoe to be over the top. Borderline disastrous apparently :o

    https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/richie-donnelly-297000

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on January 18, 2024, 04:56:14 PM
    Recently Retired Opt Out Team for the Craic

    1 - Mc Anenly
    2 - Liam Rafferty
    3 - Ronan Mc Namee
    4 - Cormac Munroe
    5 - Peter Og Macartin
    6 - Ruairi Brennan
    7 - Niall Sludden
    8 - Mc Clure
    9 - Padraig Mc Nulty
    10 - Richard Donnelly
    11 - Mark Bradley
    12 - Nathan Donnelly
    13 - Lee Brennan
    14 - Paul Donaghy
    15 - Emmett Mc Nabb



    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on January 18, 2024, 05:11:50 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 18, 2024, 04:56:14 PMRecently Retired Opt Out Team for the Craic

    1 - Mc Anenly
    2 - Liam Rafferty
    3 - Ronan Mc Namee
    4 - Cormac Munroe
    5 - Peter Og Macartin
    6 - Ruairi Brennan
    7 - Niall Sludden
    8 - Mc Clure
    9 - Padraig Mc Nulty
    10 - Richard Donnelly
    11 - Mark Bradley
    12 - Nathan Donnelly
    13 - Lee Brennan
    14 - Paul Donaghy
    15 - Emmett Mc Nabb





    No Peter Teague?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on January 18, 2024, 05:17:23 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on January 18, 2024, 05:11:50 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 18, 2024, 04:56:14 PMRecently Retired Opt Out Team for the Craic

    1 - Mc Anenly
    2 - Liam Rafferty
    3 - Ronan Mc Namee
    4 - Cormac Munroe
    5 - Peter Og Macartin
    6 - Ruairi Brennan
    7 - Niall Sludden
    8 - Mc Clure
    9 - Padraig Mc Nulty
    10 - Richard Donnelly
    11 - Mark Bradley
    12 - Nathan Donnelly
    13 - Lee Brennan
    14 - Paul Donaghy
    15 - Emmett Mc Nabb





    No Peter Teague?

    Yes forgot about Teauge - I thought he was still on the Panel
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 18, 2024, 06:09:07 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 18, 2024, 05:17:23 PM
    Quote from: LeoMc on January 18, 2024, 05:11:50 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on January 18, 2024, 04:56:14 PMRecently Retired Opt Out Team for the Craic

    1 - Mc Anenly
    2 - Liam Rafferty
    3 - Ronan Mc Namee
    4 - Cormac Munroe
    5 - Peter Og Macartin
    6 - Ruairi Brennan
    7 - Niall Sludden
    8 - Mc Clure
    9 - Padraig Mc Nulty
    10 - Richard Donnelly
    11 - Mark Bradley
    12 - Nathan Donnelly
    13 - Lee Brennan
    14 - Paul Donaghy
    15 - Emmett Mc Nabb





    No Peter Teague?

    Yes forgot about Teauge - I thought he was still on the Panel

    Michael Conroy?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 18, 2024, 06:30:37 PM
    No room for tiernan McCann
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on January 18, 2024, 06:32:10 PM
    Yous are starting to make the point for him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on January 18, 2024, 06:58:58 PM
    The following team would give that team a challenge too

    Benny Gallen.
    2. Hugh Pat McGeary.
    3. Peter Teague.
    4. Conor Quinn.
    5. Johnny Munroe.
    6. Michael Cassidy.
    7. Conor Shields.
    8. Ben McDonnell.
    9. Conor McKenna (albeit gone back to Oz).
    10. Tiarnán McCann.
    11. Ronan O'Neill.
    12. Matty Murnaghan.
    13. Michael Conroy.
    14. Daniel Kerr.
    15. Connor McAlliskey.

    Subs:
    Conal Grimes.
    Shea Hamill.
    Ryan McCusker.
    Seán Loughran.
    Rory Donnelly.
    Liam Nugent.
    Ryan Coleman.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone86 on January 18, 2024, 07:49:49 PM
    And how many of those two teams start if they're still in the squad? Any of them other than Rory Brennan and McNamee? Perhaps Mark Bradley but I don't think either Harte or Logan/Dooher started McCurry and Bradley in the same team too often. Perhaps Paul Donaghy might have a better chance to establish himself now McKenna is back in Australia but outside those I don't see it.
    Depth is an issue but lets not kid ourselves that there are loads of game changers being overlooked in club football. There's a great crop of under 20s coming over the next couple of seasons but they're a few seasons from making a major impact at senior level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 19, 2024, 07:49:15 AM
    If Tyrone could get a team like this fit and on the pitch it's much stronger than those listed:

    N Morgan
    C Quinn
    P Hampsey
    A Clarke
    M McKernan
    P Harte
    C Meyler
    C Kilpatrick
    B Kennedy
    K McGeary
    D Canavan
    J Oguz
    D McCurry
    C McShane
    F Burns (dropping into half back line)

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: irishgael11 on January 19, 2024, 08:58:10 AM
    1    Michael O'Neill
    2    Peter Teague
    3    Ronan McNamee
    4    Hugh Pat McGeary
    5    Tiarnan McCann
    6    Rory Brennan
    7    Michael Cassidy
    8    Ben McDonnell
    9    Padraig McNulty
    10    Niall Sludden
    11    Richard Donnelly
    12    Conor McKenna
    13    Mark Bradley
    14    Paul Donaghy
    15    Conor McAliskey
       
    16    Mc Anenley
    17    Cormac Munroe
    18    Liam Rafferty
    19    Conor Quinn
    20    Nathan Donnelly
    21    Johnny Munroe
    22    Conor Shields
    23    Emmett McNabb
    24    Michael Conroy
    25    Ronan O'Neill
    26    Lee Brennan

    I would give that team every chance against our first 26
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on January 19, 2024, 10:21:18 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 19, 2024, 07:49:15 AMIf Tyrone could get a team like this fit and on the pitch it's much stronger than those listed:

    N Morgan
    C Quinn
    P Hampsey
    A Clarke
    M McKernan
    P Harte
    C Meyler
    C Kilpatrick
    B Kennedy
    K McGeary
    D Canavan
    J Oguz
    D McCurry
    C McShane
    F Burns (dropping into half back line)


    Peter Harte is finished
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 19, 2024, 11:34:03 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 11, 2024, 12:14:10 PM1. Niall Morgan
    2. Aidan Clarke
    3. Padraig Hampsey
    4. Michael McKernan
    5. Frank Burns
    6. Tarlach Quinn
    7. Peter Harte
    8. Brian Kennedy
    9. Conn Kilpatrick
    10. Sean O'Donnell
    11. Joe Oguz
    12. Ruairi Canavan
    13. Darren McCurry
    14. Cathal McShane
    15. Darragh Canavan

    17. Mattie Donnelly
    18. Conor Meyler
    19. Kieran McGeary
    20. Michael O'Neill
    What I expect for NFL, assuming Oguz, McShane and Burns are fit and that Mattie, McGeary and Meyler are injured.
    Would this team beat Roscommon and stay in Division 1 if Mattie, Meyler and McGeary miss the majority?
    Against:
    1. Benny Gallen
    2. Peter Teague
    3. Ronan McNammee
    4. Liam Rafferty
    5. Michael Cassidy
    6. Rory Brennan
    7. Tiernan McCann
    8. Padraig McNulty
    9. Richie Donnelly
    10. Declan McClure
    11. Mark Bradley
    12. Niall Sludden
    13. Lee Brennan
    14. Paul Donaghy
    15. Conor McAliskey

    17. Michael Conroy
    18. Ben McDonnell
    19. Johnny Munroe
    20. Cormac Munroe
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on January 19, 2024, 12:52:27 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 19, 2024, 11:34:03 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 11, 2024, 12:14:10 PM1. Niall Morgan
    2. Aidan Clarke
    3. Padraig Hampsey
    4. Michael McKernan
    5. Frank Burns
    6. Tarlach Quinn
    7. Peter Harte
    8. Brian Kennedy
    9. Conn Kilpatrick
    10. Sean O'Donnell
    11. Joe Oguz
    12. Ruairi Canavan
    13. Darren McCurry
    14. Cathal McShane
    15. Darragh Canavan

    17. Mattie Donnelly
    18. Conor Meyler
    19. Kieran McGeary
    20. Michael O'Neill
    What I expect for NFL, assuming Oguz, McShane and Burns are fit and that Mattie, McGeary and Meyler are injured.
    Would this team beat Roscommon and stay in Division 1 if Mattie, Meyler and McGeary miss the majority?
    Against:
    1. Benny Gallen
    2. Peter Teague
    3. Ronan McNammee
    4. Liam Rafferty
    5. Michael Cassidy
    6. Rory Brennan
    7. Tiernan McCann
    8. Padraig McNulty
    9. Richie Donnelly
    10. Declan McClure
    11. Mark Bradley
    12. Niall Sludden
    13. Lee Brennan
    14. Paul Donaghy
    15. Conor McAliskey

    17. Michael Conroy
    18. Ben McDonnell
    19. Johnny Munroe
    20. Cormac Munroe

    Some of these lads are 30+ ffs. McClure? McNulty? Lee Brennan? They never did it when they had a chance in their 20's and now you think they could come back and lord it over established county men? Lets bring back Finbar McConnell, Chris Lawn and Adrian Cush when we're at it sure.
    Have a day off.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 19, 2024, 01:01:53 PM
    Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2024, 12:52:27 PMSome of these lads are 30+ ffs. McClure? McNulty? Lee Brennan? They never did it when they had a chance in their 20's and now you think they could come back and lord it over established county men? Lets bring back Finbar McConnell, Chris Lawn and Adrian Cush when we're at it sure.
    Have a day off.

    I think the point being made overall is that the current standard of the senior squad isn't much different to the players who are not on the panel. You could take a number of players (fringe panel players, sub players, borderline starting) and replace them with players not or no longer on the panel and not make the squad any worse of. For example at present going into the 2024 League - Lee Brennan or Conor Cush, Michael Cassidy or Michael O'Neill, Mark Bradley or Ruairi Canavan, Paul Donaghy or Cathal McShane, Peter Teague or Cormac Quinn.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 19, 2024, 04:09:37 PM
    A lot of the lads mentioned all already have an AI medal in the back pocket and are possibly happy with their lot. One thing stands out however is the age profile of the lads who stepped away for whatever reason

    The reality (like it or not) is that county football appears to be a serious life style choice when you are involved and obviously an even harder choice when you are not in the 15 every week.

    County football career is getting shorter due to the commitment and sacrifice involved.

    Some of the lads listed above are serious footballers and could get on the first 15 but for whatever reason they stepped away, unfortunately.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on January 19, 2024, 06:40:49 PM
    I think this talk of retirements and withdrawals is a bit tiring. There's plenty of good footballer and I don't think they players who would significantly improve Tyrone on what's there now. There's a few more standout players, but while Sludden and to a much lesser extent, Richie Donnelly have proven their worth, they are in the way of other players potentially making a step up.

    I think the lack of commitment of L Brennan and Donaghy is disappointing, but they were given a decent amount of chances and there are good players in their position. I think the point about players having a different temperament is true to a certain extent, but that's the same case for every county. We shouldn't forget a lot of the 00s legends retired quite early and I just think these amateurs are realising that there's more to life, especially if they are bench warming and can't play football (definitely needs to be a rethink about releasing non-key players).
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on January 19, 2024, 07:38:23 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on January 19, 2024, 04:09:37 PMA lot of the lads mentioned all already have an AI medal in the back pocket and are possibly happy with their lot. One thing stands out however is the age profile of the lads who stepped away for whatever reason

    The reality (like it or not) is that county football appears to be a serious life style choice when you are involved and obviously an even harder choice when you are not in the 15 every week.

    County football career is getting shorter due to the commitment and sacrifice involved.

    Some of the lads listed above are serious footballers and could get on the first 15 but for whatever reason they stepped away, unfortunately.

    Is it?

    On the other side of the story you have lads like Mc Manus, T.J. Reid and Mc Kaigue etc. who have looked after themselves very well and are still going strong.

    I think it all depends on the mentality.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 19, 2024, 07:51:58 PM
    Quote from: marty34 on January 19, 2024, 07:38:23 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on January 19, 2024, 04:09:37 PMA lot of the lads mentioned all already have an AI medal in the back pocket and are possibly happy with their lot. One thing stands out however is the age profile of the lads who stepped away for whatever reason

    The reality (like it or not) is that county football appears to be a serious life style choice when you are involved and obviously an even harder choice when you are not in the 15 every week.

    County football career is getting shorter due to the commitment and sacrifice involved.

    Some of the lads listed above are serious footballers and could get on the first 15 but for whatever reason they stepped away, unfortunately.

    Is it?

    On the other side of the story you have lads like Mc Manus, T.J. Reid and Mc Kaigue etc. who have looked after themselves very well and are still going strong.

    I think it all depends on the mentality.

    Plenty of players playing into 30s on other sides. Karl O'Connell one of the stand out half backs last year a prime example
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: time ticking away on January 20, 2024, 12:40:24 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on January 19, 2024, 07:51:58 PM
    Quote from: marty34 on January 19, 2024, 07:38:23 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on January 19, 2024, 04:09:37 PMA lot of the lads mentioned all already have an AI medal in the back pocket and are possibly happy with their lot. One thing stands out however is the age profile of the lads who stepped away for whatever reason

    The reality (like it or not) is that county football appears to be a serious life style choice when you are involved and obviously an even harder choice when you are not in the 15 every week.

    County football career is getting shorter due to the commitment and sacrifice involved.

    Some of the lads listed above are serious footballers and could get on the first 15 but for whatever reason they stepped away, unfortunately.

    Is it?

    On the other side of the story you have lads like Mc Manus, T.J. Reid and Mc Kaigue etc. who have looked after themselves very well and are still going strong.

    I think it all depends on the mentality.

    Plenty of players playing into 30s on other sides. Karl O'Connell one of the stand out half backs last year a prime example
    People like Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte you mean
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on January 20, 2024, 11:28:58 AM
    New supporters group
    Please join and share and feel free to post up anything to do with Tyrone intercounty gaa.

    Was trying to build up a bit of interest again in following the county team as numbers are badly fading away.
    What would you like to see organised for fans?
    Bus trips?
    Accommodation options
    Meet up before or after games in pubs etc
    Maybe music session
    Flags, scarves and head bands 😂
    A ban on €u#king airhorns etc

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1114881899698945/?ref=share
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2024, 11:10:43 PM
    Roscommon looked tight enough yesterday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 21, 2024, 06:42:16 AM
    Quote from: ONeill on January 20, 2024, 11:10:43 PMRoscommon looked tight enough yesterday.

    They did. They put us away fairly comprehensively in the league last year as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 22, 2024, 10:03:09 PM
    Anyone hazard a guess at likely Tyrone line up?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on January 23, 2024, 10:47:46 AM
    Possibly something like,

    1. Niall Morgan.
    2. Michael McKernan.
    3. Pádraig Mampsey.
    4. Cormac Quinn.
    5. Peter Harte.
    6. Frank Burns.
    7. Niall Devlin.
    8. Brian Kennedy.
    9. Conn Kilpatrick.
    10. Conor Meyler.
    11. Ruairi Canavan.
    12. Joe Oguz.
    13. Darren McCurry.
    14. Darragh Canavan.
    15. Michael O'Neill, dropping back.

    but who knows?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 23, 2024, 11:11:58 AM
    Quote from: RoundBall on January 23, 2024, 10:47:46 AMPossibly something like,

    1. Niall Morgan.
    2. Michael McKernan.
    3. Pádraig Mampsey.
    4. Cormac Quinn.
    5. Peter Harte.
    6. Frank Burns.
    7. Niall Devlin.
    8. Brian Kennedy.
    9. Conn Kilpatrick.
    10. Conor Meyler.
    11. Ruairi Canavan.
    12. Joe Oguz.
    13. Darren McCurry.
    14. Darragh Canavan.
    15. Michael O'Neill, dropping back.

    but who knows?

    Is Meyler not out for a few months with a knee injury?
    I had heard McCurry was suspended but not sure how true that is as I can't understand how he could be.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on January 23, 2024, 11:16:48 AM
    meyler definitely still rehabbing.

    impossible to predict a line up really. There is a break after the first two league games, id be hopeful of a few returnees then

    Any word on McShane? Oguz? McGleenan?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2024, 11:39:29 AM
    1. Niall Morgan
    2. Aidan Clarke
    3. Padraig Hampsey
    4. Michael McKernan
    5. Cormac Quinn
    6. Frank Burns
    7. Niall Devlin
    8. Brian Kennedy
    9. Conn Kilpatrick
    10. Sean O'Donnell
    11. Peter Harte
    12. Joe Oguz
    13. Darren McCurry
    14. Darragh Canavan
    15. Ruairi Canavan
    Assuming McShane, Meyler, McGeary are missing.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the_daddy on January 23, 2024, 01:21:11 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on January 23, 2024, 11:11:58 AM
    Quote from: RoundBall on January 23, 2024, 10:47:46 AMPossibly something like,

    1. Niall Morgan.
    2. Michael McKernan.
    3. Pádraig Mampsey.
    4. Cormac Quinn.
    5. Peter Harte.
    6. Frank Burns.
    7. Niall Devlin.
    8. Brian Kennedy.
    9. Conn Kilpatrick.
    10. Conor Meyler.
    11. Ruairi Canavan.
    12. Joe Oguz.
    13. Darren McCurry.
    14. Darragh Canavan.
    15. Michael O'Neill, dropping back.

    but who knows?

    Is Meyler not out for a few months with a knee injury?
    I had heard McCurry was suspended but not sure how true that is as I can't understand how he could be.
    Heard that as well. He must have been investigated by the CCCC for punching Graham O'Sullivan in the stomach in the closing stages of the Kerry game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Degrassi Hi on January 24, 2024, 01:28:35 PM
    Quote from: the_daddy on January 23, 2024, 01:21:11 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on January 23, 2024, 11:11:58 AM
    Quote from: RoundBall on January 23, 2024, 10:47:46 AMPossibly something like,

    1. Niall Morgan.
    2. Michael McKernan.
    3. Pádraig Mampsey.
    4. Cormac Quinn.
    5. Peter Harte.
    6. Frank Burns.
    7. Niall Devlin.
    8. Brian Kennedy.
    9. Conn Kilpatrick.
    10. Conor Meyler.
    11. Ruairi Canavan.
    12. Joe Oguz.
    13. Darren McCurry.
    14. Darragh Canavan.
    15. Michael O'Neill, dropping back.

    but who knows?

    Is Meyler not out for a few months with a knee injury?
    I had heard McCurry was suspended but not sure how true that is as I can't understand how he could be.
    Heard that as well. He must have been investigated by the CCCC for punching Graham O'Sullivan in the stomach in the closing stages of the Kerry game.

    Does it not go by competition? If McCurry has a ban then he misses the first round of championship I'd say. Rogers misses at least the first round McKenna cup for Derry next year after stamping on a Donegal man.

    If it was NFL then Tyrone played Kerry in round 5 so can't imagine a 3 match suspension for that??
     
    Round 6 and 7 were wins V Monaghan and they relegated Armagh in the last game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 24, 2024, 01:39:35 PM
    Quote from: Degrassi Hi on January 24, 2024, 01:28:35 PM
    Quote from: the_daddy on January 23, 2024, 01:21:11 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on January 23, 2024, 11:11:58 AM
    Quote from: RoundBall on January 23, 2024, 10:47:46 AMPossibly something like,

    1. Niall Morgan.
    2. Michael McKernan.
    3. Pádraig Mampsey.
    4. Cormac Quinn.
    5. Peter Harte.
    6. Frank Burns.
    7. Niall Devlin.
    8. Brian Kennedy.
    9. Conn Kilpatrick.
    10. Conor Meyler.
    11. Ruairi Canavan.
    12. Joe Oguz.
    13. Darren McCurry.
    14. Darragh Canavan.
    15. Michael O'Neill, dropping back.

    but who knows?

    Is Meyler not out for a few months with a knee injury?
    I had heard McCurry was suspended but not sure how true that is as I can't understand how he could be.
    Heard that as well. He must have been investigated by the CCCC for punching Graham O'Sullivan in the stomach in the closing stages of the Kerry game.

    Does it not go by competition? If McCurry has a ban then he misses the first round of championship I'd say. Rogers misses at least the first round McKenna cup for Derry next year after stamping on a Donegal man.

    If it was NFL then Tyrone played Kerry in round 5 so can't imagine a 3 match suspension for that??
     
    Round 6 and 7 were wins V Monaghan and they relegated Armagh in the last game.

    The Rogers suspension is an Ulster GAA competition so does not apply nationally. The league and championship are central council competitions so think that is where McCurry gets the ban from. Very unfortunate - he is badly needed up front at the minute
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 25, 2024, 09:04:54 AM
    According to Dooher in The Irish News this morning ""We will have a few men off. Some are starting to come back now, and we're getting more and more back, but it's going to come too fast for a number of them."

    God knows who guess we will just have to wait to Saturday when the team is named who he is talking about. Top secret stuff.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 25, 2024, 09:20:38 AM
    Honestly think we're facked this year.  Hope I'm wrong and a win against roscommon would be a big result.  Think roscommon realise the importance of this fixture too though
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on January 25, 2024, 09:35:22 AM
    Roscommon down a lot of men too. One of the two teams will definitely go down imo. Possibly both, so getting a win here is important.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 25, 2024, 09:55:10 AM
    If McCurry is out as suggested on here, then that's a huge blow. With him and D Canavan up front I would have fancied us strongly. Both Canavans only came on last night in the Sigerson so you would imagine some kind of compromise was struck between the 2 management teams in regards to their minutes played.

    I still think we will grind out a win by a few points.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on January 25, 2024, 10:21:31 AM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 25, 2024, 09:55:10 AMIf McCurry is out as suggested on here, then that's a huge blow. With him and D Canavan up front I would have fancied us strongly. Both Canavans only came on last night in the Sigerson so you would imagine some kind of compromise was struck between the 2 management teams in regards to their minutes played.

    I still think we will grind out a win by a few points.
    Did both not start? I thought I seen Darragh Canavan come in at centre half back with number 26 on his back. Ruairi played with 13 on his back.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 25, 2024, 10:32:46 AM
    In the match report in the paper this morning, Darragh came on at half time and Ruairi only came on with with 10 minutes to go.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 25, 2024, 07:06:13 PM
    Need running pace in the side. Is it there?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 25, 2024, 08:44:00 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 25, 2024, 10:32:46 AMIn the match report in the paper this morning, Darragh came on at half time and Ruairi only came on with with 10 minutes to go.

    Heard there was an accident which meant diversions and delayed a few cars which had UUJ men in them, including the Errigal lads.
    That may explain the late changes to the team
    Darragh appears to have played well according to the paper reports and he only played 30 minutes
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 25, 2024, 08:51:05 PM
    Petey Harte new Tyrone captain.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on January 25, 2024, 09:47:31 PM
    How long was Paudi captain for?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 25, 2024, 09:49:25 PM
    2021 to 2023

    Not sure giving a 34 year old the captaincy is the way to go in terms of rebuilding but can't doubt Petey's service and commitment over the last 15 years so good luck to him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on January 25, 2024, 09:58:39 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on January 25, 2024, 09:49:25 PM2021 to 2023

    Not sure giving a 34 year old the captaincy is the way to go in terms of rebuilding but can't doubt Petey's service and commitment over the last 15 years so good luck to him.
    Would that give the indication that they don't intend hang around after this term is up?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 25, 2024, 10:43:22 PM
    Hopefully not so we can then get a few players back
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 25, 2024, 10:46:15 PM
    No better man than Peter Harte.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 26, 2024, 07:35:29 AM
    Not sure how they'll set them out position wise but here is my stab at the team:

    Morgan
    McKernan
    Hampsey
    Clarke
    C Quinn
    T Quinn
    N Devlin
    C Kilpatrick
    B Kennedy
    Burns
    Harte
    Oguz
    T Quinn
    D Canavan
    S O'Donnell

    If Burns isn't fit enough possibly Devlin into corner back and a reshuffle.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: irishgael11 on January 26, 2024, 09:19:55 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 26, 2024, 07:35:29 AMNot sure how they'll set them out position wise but here is my stab at the team:

    Morgan
    McKernan
    Hampsey
    Clarke
    C Quinn
    T Quinn
    N Devlin
    C Kilpatrick
    B Kennedy
    Burns
    Harte
    Oguz
    T Quinn
    D Canavan
    S O'Donnell

    If Burns isn't fit enough possibly Devlin into corner back and a reshuffle.

    Half back line too weak and needs a bit more experience in that to solidify it and Tiarnan Quinn should be nowhere near that team. I feel try experience in defence and youth up front to try and express themselves this weekend with McCurry being out.

    1.Morgan
    2.McKernan
    3.Hampsey
    4.Clarke
    5.C Quinn
    6.F Burns
    7.P Harte
    8.Oguz
    9.B Kennedy
    10.Michael O'Neill? or else swap for S ODonnell and let Oneill drop back
    11.D Canavan
    12. Ciaran Daly
    13.R Canavan
    14.C Kilpatrick
    15.S O'Donnell
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on January 26, 2024, 10:46:45 PM
    Very inexperienced team named but will be a couple  of years transition I feel so have to start somewhere. Huge 2 points on offer.ps. Good to be back guys!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: PMG1 on January 27, 2024, 01:35:14 AM
    CBS beat Magherafelt tonight to ensure another all Tyrone MacRory Cup final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: smort on January 27, 2024, 07:48:17 AM
    1. Niall Morgan
    2. Conall Devlin
    3. Pádraig Hampsey
    4. Aidan Clarke
    5. Cormac Quinn
    6. Michael McKernan
    7. Tarlach Quinn
    8. Brian Kennedy
    9. Conn Kilpatrick
    10. Niall Devlin
    11. Peter Harte
    12. Ben Cullen
    13. Seanie O'Donnell
    14. Darragh Canavan
    15. Ciaran Daly

    16. Lorcan Quinn 17. Ruairi Canavan 18. Conor Cush 19. James Donaghy 20. Aodhan Donaghy 21. Nathan Mccarron 22. Lorcan McGarrity 23. Michael McGleenan 24. David Mulgrew 25. Michael O'Neill 26. Tiernan Quinn

    Hard to see where scores will come from. Expect ruairi, cush, McGarrity on in 2nd half, keep things tight until then
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 27, 2024, 09:21:21 AM
    Most of them players can clip scores with Canavan the only real heavy scorer and Daly a real talent for the future. Ben Cullen looked physical in McKenna cup but didn't get long.

    Hopefully a performance with a bit of confidence
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on January 27, 2024, 10:38:18 AM
    McGleenan on bench too.

    Not sure what side Roscommon can put out at the minute. Heading into this with hope more than expectation.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on January 27, 2024, 09:06:40 PM
    Flip, some result for Monaghan.  Makes Tyrones game tomorrow even more important
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 28, 2024, 04:29:21 PM
    Decent enough first half that from Tyrone. The Fianna men getting half our scores. Should get the job done in the 2nd though probably thought the same last year in the same game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on January 28, 2024, 04:37:35 PM
    Doing pretty well considering half the team have no real senior county experience / are 21 or younger. Good to see chances given to new faces.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on January 28, 2024, 05:33:42 PM
    Good performance and probably played better with 14. McKernan and Canavan were superb. All the debutants played well. And I wouldn't swap any keeper in the country for Morgan - he was very good too.

    Next week will be 10 times tougher as that was probably up there with as poor a team as I've seen come to Omagh in Division 1. But the pressure is off slightly now having got the 2 points this afternoon.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the goal was on on January 28, 2024, 05:54:57 PM
    Thought that game had the least intensity/pace to it if the div 1 teams . Roscommon are an indoor team! May start playing home matches at the dome !
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on January 28, 2024, 06:30:31 PM
    How many Roscommon players missing? The running power of the Tyrone's experienced players was evident but still all the newcomers did rightly.

    D Canavan one of the best forwards in the country
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone86 on January 28, 2024, 10:25:53 PM
    The Rossies in Omagh early didn't like their chances today so best not to read into it too much. Job well done but next week will tell the tale.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone_Q55 on February 01, 2024, 10:58:50 AM
    Any word on McCurry's availability for the weekend?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 01, 2024, 11:56:54 AM
    Cormac Quinn didnt play last night Sigerson - id guess he is out for Sunday after coming off injured against the Rossies. If Kilpatrick doesnt get the suspension overturned in time, we are already looking at two enforced changes to an already inexperienced starting 15

    Any word on Joe Oguz? I didnt see him on the sidelines last Sunday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on February 01, 2024, 02:00:40 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 01, 2024, 11:56:54 AMCormac Quinn didnt play last night Sigerson - id guess he is out for Sunday after coming off injured against the Rossies. If Kilpatrick doesnt get the suspension overturned in time, we are already looking at two enforced changes to an already inexperienced starting 15

    Any word on Joe Oguz? I didnt see him on the sidelines last Sunday.

    Any word on King Conn's appeal?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 01, 2024, 08:12:23 PM
    Quote from: bogball88 on February 01, 2024, 02:00:40 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 01, 2024, 11:56:54 AMCormac Quinn didnt play last night Sigerson - id guess he is out for Sunday after coming off injured against the Rossies. If Kilpatrick doesnt get the suspension overturned in time, we are already looking at two enforced changes to an already inexperienced starting 15

    Any word on Joe Oguz? I didnt see him on the sidelines last Sunday.

    Any word on King Conn's appeal?

    He's unavailable

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on February 01, 2024, 08:22:13 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 01, 2024, 08:12:23 PM
    Quote from: bogball88 on February 01, 2024, 02:00:40 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 01, 2024, 11:56:54 AMCormac Quinn didnt play last night Sigerson - id guess he is out for Sunday after coming off injured against the Rossies. If Kilpatrick doesnt get the suspension overturned in time, we are already looking at two enforced changes to an already inexperienced starting 15

    Any word on Joe Oguz? I didnt see him on the sidelines last Sunday.

    Any word on King Conn's appeal?

    He's unavailable


    I am no big fan of Tyrone but that's a disgrace.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 01, 2024, 08:53:27 PM
    Similar to when Gough lined 4 Tyrone men a few years ago for contributing to a melee, you'd imagine there will be a raft of red cards now in other league games for mistimed tackles ::)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 01, 2024, 09:21:07 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 01, 2024, 08:53:27 PMSimilar to when Gough lined 4 Tyrone men a few years ago for contributing to a melee, you'd imagine there will be a raft of red cards now in other league games for mistimed tackles ::)

    Spot on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 02, 2024, 10:55:24 AM
    Was a harsh decision at the time and surprised it hasn't been overturned. That said, what was Conn thinking flying in like that in the first place? There was nothing to be gained from making that challenge. We've had too many daft red cards the last couple of years due to players not keeping their heads. Kennedy against Derry and Burns in Galway being prime examples. It needs to be addressed.

    Good news that McCurry is available on Sunday as we're looking very thin on the ground in terms of experience.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 02, 2024, 11:02:00 AM
    Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 02, 2024, 10:55:24 AMWas a harsh decision at the time and surprised it hasn't been overturned. That said, what was Conn thinking flying in like that in the first place? There was nothing to be gained from making that challenge. We've had too many daft red cards the last couple of years due to players not keeping their heads. Kennedy against Derry and Burns in Galway being prime examples. It needs to be addressed.

    Good news that McCurry is available on Sunday as we're looking very thin on the ground in terms of experience.

    Thought he was still suspended
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on February 03, 2024, 05:23:46 PM
    Tyrone Senior Football Squad – Allianz Football League R2 – Sunday 4th February

    1.  Niall Morgan (Éadan na dTorc)
    2.  Conall Devlin (Dún Geanainn)
    3.  Padraig Hampsey (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    4.  Aidan Clarke (An Ómaigh)
    5.  Cormac Quinn (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    6.  Michael McKernan (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    7.  Ben Cullen (Éadan na dTorc)
    8.  Brian Kennedy (Doire Locháin)
    9.  Tarlach Quinn (Baile na Móna)
    10. Niall Devlin (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    11. Peter Harte (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    12. Seanie O'Donnell (Trí Leac)
    13. Darren McCurry (Éadan na dTorc)
    14. Darragh Canavan (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    15. Ciarán Daly (Trí Leac)

    Lorcan Quinn (Domhnach Mór)
    Ruairi Canavan (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    Conor Cush (Domhnach Mór)
    Aodhan Donaghy (Loch Mhic Ruairí)
    James Donaghy (An Charraig Mhór)
    Steve Donaghy (An Mhaigh)
    Nathan McCarron (An Droim Mór)
    Lorcan McGarrity (An Charraig Mhór)
    Michael McGleenan (An Eaglais)
    David Mulgrew (Ard Bó)
    Tiarnan Quinn (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:59:37 AM
    Today I'll think of big Art. Never would he manage a team against our own.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: laceer on February 04, 2024, 06:14:38 AM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:59:37 AMToday I'll think of big Art. Never would he manage a team against our own.

    100%. It was never about Art. A legend.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: WT4E on February 04, 2024, 11:37:30 AM
    Where would u get a relaxed atmosphere to watch match in Belfast City.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Derryman forever on February 04, 2024, 12:29:26 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 04, 2024, 11:37:30 AMWhere would u get a relaxed atmosphere to watch match in Belfast City.

    Sandyrow.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Nanderson on February 04, 2024, 12:41:09 PM
    Quote from: Derryman forever on February 04, 2024, 12:29:26 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 04, 2024, 11:37:30 AMWhere would u get a relaxed atmosphere to watch match in Belfast City.

    Sandyrow.
    West Belfast Shankill Road Tyrone Supporters club
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 04, 2024, 01:13:09 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 04, 2024, 11:37:30 AMWhere would u get a relaxed atmosphere to watch match in Belfast City.

    There is an irish pub behind primark. Cant remember the name of it but ealk alongside primark and you cant miss it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 04, 2024, 01:31:11 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on February 04, 2024, 01:13:09 PM
    Quote from: WT4E on February 04, 2024, 11:37:30 AMWhere would u get a relaxed atmosphere to watch match in Belfast City.

    There is an irish pub behind primark. Cant remember the name of it but ealk alongside primark and you cant miss it

    Nancy Milligan's
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on February 04, 2024, 02:43:24 PM
    Quote from: laceer on February 04, 2024, 06:14:38 AM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:59:37 AMToday I'll think of big Art. Never would he manage a team against our own.

    100%. It was never about Art. A legend.
    The disrespect Mickey Harte gets in Tyrone a disgrace.Tyrone ditched Mickey Harte if memory serves me right,did Tyrone people expect him never  to manage again with a team that might be competitive?Mickey didn't decide to leave Tyrone because Derry came calling.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on February 04, 2024, 03:28:39 PM
    Spot on. Tyrone ditched Harte therefore he is entitled to have a career elsewhere and will want to win to prove a point.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on February 04, 2024, 03:43:14 PM
    I think Harte did get too much grief before this, but think this is fundamentally against the GAA ethos. He should have managed Errigal, kept with Louth or managed Tyrone underage teams etc. Going to a county rival, shows a lack of class imo.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2024, 03:56:49 PM
    Fs hit it right at the keeper. That and the McCurry easy free we can't afford to be missing those.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 04, 2024, 04:04:17 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2024, 03:56:49 PMFs hit it right at the keeper. That and the McCurry easy free we can't afford to be missing those.

    A goal would have been a massive score against that wind.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2024, 04:46:11 PM
    McCurry with another miss. Maybe hit them off the ground?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on February 04, 2024, 04:50:33 PM
    Shooting is beyond brutal. Wind no excuse for good few of them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2024, 04:51:14 PM
    Far too slow to transition from defence to attack as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2024, 04:55:58 PM
    Should be able to judge the wind by this stage.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 04, 2024, 04:58:46 PM
    To not have scored with this wind nearly 20 mins into second half is shocking.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 04, 2024, 05:02:32 PM
    Brutal display.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 04, 2024, 05:04:49 PM
    Slipping and very poor shooting making derry look good. However those issues are relatively easy sorted.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 04, 2024, 05:07:35 PM
    What about the fact they've had numerous goal chances
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on February 04, 2024, 05:14:42 PM
    Championship will, as ever, be the true barometer but seeing nothing from the L&D setup to justify another 3 years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 04, 2024, 05:18:43 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 04, 2024, 05:07:35 PMWhat about the fact they've had numerous goal chances

    Yip Derry have been running through Tyrone at will at times. Plenty of men back yet it's so easy getting through the middle of our defence.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 04, 2024, 05:25:07 PM
    Maybe it's just me but I thought there was enough in there to be hopeful for the season.  Showed a bit of fight which Tyrone teams haven't done in recent years.  Clarke and quinn got stuck in in horrendous conditions.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:25:16 PM
    When them young boys needed leadership today Morgan, Hampsey, MCKernan and especially McCurry absolutely atrocious today.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:26:33 PM
    Seen nothing from the line that would fill me with confidence.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 04, 2024, 05:27:31 PM
    Quote from: tyroneman on February 04, 2024, 05:14:42 PMChampionship will, as ever, be the true barometer but seeing nothing from the L&D setup to justify another 3 years.

    Wasnt a fan of them getting another 3 year's. Cant seem any improvements yet but i am will to wait and see until they have a full panel available 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 04, 2024, 05:35:36 PM
    Forward line at fault today.  Mckernan, hampsey and Morgan all did OK.  Thought kenhedy battled as well.  Just didn't take their chances.  I've little faith in management either but keep blooding the young boys for the next management team coming in
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 04, 2024, 05:41:21 PM
    Will Cathal McShane be back for the championship?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 04, 2024, 05:42:45 PM
    Thought Kennedy was the best midfielder on show and donaghy did rightly. D Canavan forgot the shooting boots and McCurrys first time out.

    Both Devlin's weren't great and with so many missing there wasn't any options on the bench. Mcglennon is some unit and after losing the ball man handled someone down line the line to get it back. An upset was on but they let it slip
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on February 04, 2024, 06:00:50 PM
    Aidan Clarke battled well and O Donnell looks like he can step up to that level. If Darragh is contained we are in trouble. I don't get the management's obsession with defensive type players. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 04, 2024, 06:23:46 PM
    Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2024, 05:41:21 PMWill Cathal McShane be back for the championship?

    What's the story with him is he injured
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: twenty one yard free on February 04, 2024, 06:45:16 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:25:16 PMWhen them young boys needed leadership today Morgan, Hampsey, MCKernan and especially McCurry absolutely atrocious today.

    Michael O Neill will steady the ship when he comes back
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 04, 2024, 07:47:00 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 04, 2024, 05:42:45 PMThought Kennedy was the best midfielder on show and donaghy did rightly. D Canavan forgot the shooting boots and McCurrys first time out.

    Both Devlin's weren't great and with so many missing there wasn't any options on the bench. Mcglennon is some unit and after losing the ball man handled someone down line the line to get it back. An upset was on but they let it slip
    You would have said our midfielders did a good job in containing Rodgers and Glass. The problem came with McFaul, Murphy, Doherty getting through too easily. Ruairi Canavan's form would be a worry - poor championship for Errigal, not starring for Jordanstown and poor in Tyrone's opening games. McGleenan has the size but hasn't the mobility at this level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 04, 2024, 09:37:28 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 04, 2024, 05:25:07 PMMaybe it's just me but I thought there was enough in there to be hopeful for the season.  Showed a bit of fight which Tyrone teams haven't done in recent years.  Clarke and quinn got stuck in in horrendous conditions.

    I thought there were positives without doubt. Pretty young team going away to what is a settled Derry side and with a gale in their face and after a missing some good chances early on find themselves 0-6 to 0-1 behind. They showed character at that point to turn it around and get right back in it. To be honest the 3 point half-time lead flattered Derry. Have to balance that with a very poor second-half where they badly lost their composure. You can put that down to a lack of experience, but I'd also have a nagging worry that Tyrone last season played very well against the wind against Roscommon and Galway then came apart in the second period. Again there are potentially some questions about preparation and management there.

    But overall there are positives to take from that. Young players are stepping up and should continue to get better. Add in the likes of Harte, Meyler, Kilpatrick and McGeary (Mattie too if he can once again come back from injury and McShane if he ever reappears) and you potentially have a very good team. I'm just not convinced we have the management team to bring it all together but time will tell on that one.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 04, 2024, 09:59:55 PM
    Say a prayer for our manager who is currently in the Royal.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 04, 2024, 10:09:21 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 04, 2024, 09:59:55 PMSay a prayer for our manager who is currently in the Royal.

    Logan?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 04, 2024, 10:38:33 PM
    Yep
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Derryman forever on February 04, 2024, 11:48:34 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 04, 2024, 10:38:33 PMYep

    What is the problem.
    But best wishes anyway.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on February 05, 2024, 07:00:03 AM
    A Tyrone team missing P Harte, Kilpatrick ,Meyler,McGeary,M Donnelly, Burns,C Quinn,McShane, against a full strength Derry team. Thats about 7 former All Stars with bags of experience.
    Although the young lads such as O'Donnell, Clarke and Daly have done very well, and these older guys may not all be starters anymore - it would sure have made some difference if they were all available. I mean take that amount of players out of the Derry squad and team and see how they would do.will be in a good place when get them all back
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 08:33:31 AM
    Watching some of the game back it annoys me how relaxed and uninterested dooher seems during games. A few times he was leaning on the fence as if he is watching an u10 game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 11:31:46 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 08:33:31 AMWatching some of the game back it annoys me how relaxed and uninterested dooher seems during games. A few times he was leaning on the fence as if he is watching an u10 game.

    I wouldn't worry.  He's taking it all in.

    Better than running up and down the line roaring and shouting.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on February 05, 2024, 11:41:39 AM
    Quote from: marty34 on February 05, 2024, 11:31:46 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 08:33:31 AMWatching some of the game back it annoys me how relaxed and uninterested dooher seems during games. A few times he was leaning on the fence as if he is watching an u10 game.

    I wouldn't worry.  He's taking it all in.

    Better than running up and down the line roaring and shouting.

    An oul greener on the hands from time to time just to reassure us he actually wants to be there otherwise a classic case of the lights are on but no-ones home Brian  ::)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Would ye whist on February 05, 2024, 11:43:58 AM
    Anyone hearing some worrying news about Fergal Logan's health in advance of yesterday's game? Hope he is well regardless of any football
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tbrick18 on February 05, 2024, 11:46:53 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 04, 2024, 09:59:55 PMSay a prayer for our manager who is currently in the Royal.

    Hadn't heard, but thoughts and prayers for him and his family.
    Football is only a game at the end of the day - this is real life.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: redzone on February 05, 2024, 12:46:30 PM
    Quote from: statto on February 04, 2024, 02:43:24 PM
    Quote from: laceer on February 04, 2024, 06:14:38 AM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:59:37 AMToday I'll think of big Art. Never would he manage a team against our own.

    100%. It was never about Art. A legend.
    The disrespect Mickey Harte gets in Tyrone a disgrace.Tyrone ditched Mickey Harte if memory serves me right,did Tyrone people expect him never  to manage again with a team that might be competitive?Mickey didn't decide to leave Tyrone because Derry came calling.
    Tyrone supporters are serious begrudgers especially against there own. That's a fact unfortunately.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 01:37:11 PM
    Quote from: redzone on February 05, 2024, 12:46:30 PM
    Quote from: statto on February 04, 2024, 02:43:24 PM
    Quote from: laceer on February 04, 2024, 06:14:38 AM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:59:37 AMToday I'll think of big Art. Never would he manage a team against our own.

    100%. It was never about Art. A legend.
    The disrespect Mickey Harte gets in Tyrone a disgrace.Tyrone ditched Mickey Harte if memory serves me right,did Tyrone people expect him never  to manage again with a team that might be competitive?Mickey didn't decide to leave Tyrone because Derry came calling.
    Tyrone supporters are serious begrudgers especially against there own. That's a fact unfortunately.

    Ah now come on. Even in premier league football where it's all about money you don't see too many managers going to rival clubs.

    Facts are mickey constantly talked about loyalty and playing in front of your own fans then he u turned on all that and went to a rival.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on February 05, 2024, 01:55:49 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 01:37:11 PM
    Quote from: redzone on February 05, 2024, 12:46:30 PM
    Quote from: statto on February 04, 2024, 02:43:24 PM
    Quote from: laceer on February 04, 2024, 06:14:38 AM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:59:37 AMToday I'll think of big Art. Never would he manage a team against our own.

    100%. It was never about Art. A legend.
    The disrespect Mickey Harte gets in Tyrone a disgrace.Tyrone ditched Mickey Harte if memory serves me right,did Tyrone people expect him never  to manage again with a team that might be competitive?Mickey didn't decide to leave Tyrone because Derry came calling.
    Tyrone supporters are serious begrudgers especially against there own. That's a fact unfortunately.

    Ah now come on. Even in premier league football where it's all about money you don't see too many managers going to rival clubs.

    Facts are mickey constantly talked about loyalty and playing in front of your own fans then he u turned on all that and went to a rival.

    Exactly. He came out against professionalism etc. too. I think it's fair enough if you are transparent about being self interested or wanting a coaching career, but not if you have been painting yourself as the complete opposite and judging others for the same. Things weren't managed that great with how he left, but he was by far, the longest serving manager that Tyrone ever had and many of those years were not great...

    It reminds me of Wenger who had always spoke out about the bad elements of soccer and then went to work for FIFA, brushing off and defending some pretty terrible stuff for them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Degrassi Hi on February 05, 2024, 02:10:19 PM
    Personally doesn't bother me who Mickey is managing and he did brilliantly with Tyrone up until about 2009 and it must be said that Derry are currently the form team in Ireland. But its February, its after round 2 in the winter league. Long way to go girls and boys and an injury or 2 to a McGuigan or Glass could prove very costly and put a spanner in the works.  Tyrone are on the re-build and days like yesterday are just lessons learned for these young bunch of lads and future All-Ireland champions.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on February 05, 2024, 02:31:43 PM
    Plenty of chances created yesterday which was a good sign.

    But the amount of wides after half time was hard to take, they all went the same side and the same umpire signalling wide must have been wondering what was going on.

    Galway up next at home on Sunday 18th. Very important to win that one to stay in the division. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 06, 2024, 06:45:26 PM
    Anyone any ideas of injuries to burns, mcshane, Mcgeary, Harte, meyler?

    Good to see oguz back as an option. Did they ask r Brennan back?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 09, 2024, 12:13:09 PM
    An Ulster University side backboned by Tyrone players have qualified for the Sigerson Cup final with a 1-13 to 0-11 victory over Maynooth tonight. Darragh and Ruairi Canavan, Ciaran Daly, Conor Cush, Peter Og McCartan, Oisin McCann and Steve Donaghy started for Ulster University while Dara Curran, Adam Donaghy, Eoin Montgomery, James Quinn, Harry Morgan and second-half sub Danny Fullerton were named on the bench.

    Oisin McCann for me stood out. Surely worth a go on the County panel, has the physical size and is full of talent. If he got a run with the county I think he would turn into a top player.
    I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on February 09, 2024, 12:35:13 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 09, 2024, 12:13:09 PMAn Ulster University side backboned by Tyrone players have qualified for the Sigerson Cup final with a 1-13 to 0-11 victory over Maynooth tonight. Darragh and Ruairi Canavan, Ciaran Daly, Conor Cush, Peter Og McCartan, Oisin McCann and Steve Donaghy started for Ulster University while Dara Curran, Adam Donaghy, Eoin Montgomery, James Quinn, Harry Morgan and second-half sub Danny Fullerton were named on the bench.

    Oisin McCann for me stood out. Surely worth a go on the County panel, has the physical size and is full of talent. If he got a run with the county I think he would turn into a top player.
    I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.

    Thought McCann was brilliant last night as well, which is something I hadn't really seen out of him for Killyclogher to date.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: STREET FIGHTER on February 09, 2024, 11:27:15 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on February 04, 2024, 05:25:16 PMWhen them young boys needed leadership today Morgan, Hampsey, MCKernan and especially McCurry absolutely atrocious today.

    Strange to include Morgan...

    Looked to be the best Tyrone player on show.....

    10+ points Derry win without him....

    Great player....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on February 12, 2024, 07:37:45 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 09, 2024, 12:13:09 PMAn Ulster University side backboned by Tyrone players have qualified for the Sigerson Cup final with a 1-13 to 0-11 victory over Maynooth tonight. Darragh and Ruairi Canavan, Ciaran Daly, Conor Cush, Peter Og McCartan, Oisin McCann and Steve Donaghy started for Ulster University while Dara Curran, Adam Donaghy, Eoin Montgomery, James Quinn, Harry Morgan and second-half sub Danny Fullerton were named on the bench.

    Oisin McCann for me stood out. Surely worth a go on the County panel, has the physical size and is full of talent. If he got a run with the county I think he would turn into a top player.
    I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.
    They are only cubs so I wouldnt be writing anyone off.  Mc Cann has potential, I thought he was great in some club games this year but not as impressive in the club championship.  They all need time.. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 16, 2024, 08:52:16 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 09, 2024, 12:13:09 PMAn Ulster University side backboned by Tyrone players have qualified for the Sigerson Cup final with a 1-13 to 0-11 victory over Maynooth tonight. Darragh and Ruairi Canavan, Ciaran Daly, Conor Cush, Peter Og McCartan, Oisin McCann and Steve Donaghy started for Ulster University while Dara Curran, Adam Donaghy, Eoin Montgomery, James Quinn, Harry Morgan and second-half sub Danny Fullerton were named on the bench.

    Oisin McCann for me stood out. Surely worth a go on the County panel, has the physical size and is full of talent. If he got a run with the county I think he would turn into a top player.
    I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.
    Oisin McCann is the next man for the county call up anyway barring injury.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 16, 2024, 10:36:12 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 16, 2024, 08:52:16 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 09, 2024, 12:13:09 PMAn Ulster University side backboned by Tyrone players have qualified for the Sigerson Cup final with a 1-13 to 0-11 victory over Maynooth tonight. Darragh and Ruairi Canavan, Ciaran Daly, Conor Cush, Peter Og McCartan, Oisin McCann and Steve Donaghy started for Ulster University while Dara Curran, Adam Donaghy, Eoin Montgomery, James Quinn, Harry Morgan and second-half sub Danny Fullerton were named on the bench.

    Oisin McCann for me stood out. Surely worth a go on the County panel, has the physical size and is full of talent. If he got a run with the county I think he would turn into a top player.
    I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.
    Oisin McCann is the next man for the county call up anyway barring injury.

    Is Peter Og McCartan on the panel. Was impressed with him. Plenty of energy.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 18, 2024, 10:32:27 AM
    Tyrone Squad – Allianz Football League R3 – Sunday 18th February

    1. Niall Morgan (Éadan na dTorc)
    2. Conall Devlin (Dún Geanainn)
    3. Padraig Hampsey (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    4. Aidan Clarke (An Ómaigh)
    5. Niall Devlin (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    6. Michael McKernan (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    7. Ben Cullen (Éadan na dTorc)
    8. Brian Kennedy (Doire Locháin)
    9. Aodhan Donaghy (Loch Mhic Ruairí)
    10. Ruairí Canavan (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    11. Conn Kilpatrick (Éadan na dTorc)
    12. Seanie O'Donnell (Trí Leac)
    13. Darren McCurry (Éadan na dTorc)
    14. Darragh Canavan (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    15. Ciarán Daly (Trí Leac)

    16. Lorcan Quinn (Domhnach Mór)
    17. Cormaic Donnelly (Gallbhaile)
    18. Peter Harte (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    19. Nathan McCarron (An Droim Mór)
    20. Lorcan McGarrity (An Charraig Mhór)
    21. Kieran McGeary (Cabhán a'Chaortainn)
    22. Michael McGleenan (An Eaglais)
    23. David Mulgrew (Ard Bó)
    24. Joe Oguz (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    25. Cormac Quinn (Aireagal Chiaráin)
    26. Tiarnan Quinn (Oileán a'Ghuail)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 18, 2024, 10:50:50 AM
    Options on the bench and wouldn't be surprised with a change before throw in. Cormaic Donnelly on the bench. Seen him a couple of times and a good free taker. What's he like from open play?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on February 18, 2024, 11:45:39 AM
    Tiarnan Quinn not going to get any game-time?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on February 18, 2024, 11:54:07 AM
    A tipping point match today.

    Win and Tyrone are looking up and can aim for a spot in the final. Lose and it's a relegation battle.

    Mayo at home next Saturday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on February 18, 2024, 12:10:24 PM
    On tg4?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on February 18, 2024, 12:50:52 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on February 18, 2024, 12:10:24 PMOn tg4?
    Yes sir... 1:45pm throw-in.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on February 18, 2024, 03:42:03 PM
    I'd say that's division 2 for Tyrone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on February 18, 2024, 04:36:36 PM
    And to think Galway were without Shane Walsh, Cillian Mc Daid and Damian Comer.   :-[
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on February 18, 2024, 05:23:28 PM
    Bit of realism needed its a rebuilding job thats going to take time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on February 18, 2024, 05:34:30 PM
    Tyrone were missing a good few as well to be fair- McCurry, McShane, Meyler, M Donnelly to name a few. Daragh Canavan playing midweek didn't help either.

    Quote from: Quarterbackk on February 18, 2024, 04:36:36 PMAnd to think Galway were without Shane Walsh, Cillian Mc Daid and Damian Comer.   :-[
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on February 18, 2024, 06:07:27 PM
    Jaysus that was a boring match. Tyrone were poor. Soft goal to give away in the context of the game and so so slow and ponderous in the build up.

    Match summed up in one passage where Harte had the ball 2v2 breakdown amd turned 3ntijes in a circle before offloading backwards.

    McQuillan was as expected.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on February 18, 2024, 06:08:35 PM
    Quote from: tyroneman on February 18, 2024, 06:07:27 PMJaysus that was a boring match.

    Tyrone were poor.

    Soft goal to give away in the context of the game and so so slow and ponderous in the build up.

    Match summed up in one passage where Harte had the ball 2v2 at the 45 with a clear  break on and proceeded to turn in circles before offloading backwards.

    McQuillan was as expected.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 18, 2024, 06:14:19 PM
    Watching that today can confirm that we won't be contending again for 3 or 4 years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 18, 2024, 08:18:45 PM
    Where Cullen and Tarlach Quinn unlucky not to get a place at half back? Need more power in this area
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BG_Gael on February 19, 2024, 01:48:11 AM
    Quote from: tyroneman on February 18, 2024, 06:08:35 PM
    Quote from: tyroneman on February 18, 2024, 06:07:27 PMJaysus that was a boring match.

    Tyrone were poor.

    Soft goal to give away in the context of the game and so so slow and ponderous in the build up.

    Match summed up in one passage where Harte had the ball 2v2 at the 45 with a clear  break on and proceeded to turn in circles before offloading backwards.

    McQuillan was as expected.

    McQuillan done nothing wrong to Tyrone all game to be fair to him. Kilpatrick was lucky to avoid a Black card in the 1st half. Gave Tyrone ample time to rescue a draw but no leaders stepped forward to have a shot in dying seconds even though numerous opportunities were on.

    If people are relying on McCurry, McShane, Meyler and Mattie coming back to transform that team then they are in for a massive reality check. Not near good enough. This is a long term issue and come as a result of Mickey not wanting to bleed new players and the current management only realising now you can't play to your 40.

    The only decent player that's come through in recent times is Darragh Canavan. Besides him, the players that have come through are leaving Tyrone are a division 2 team at best. We're lightyears in terms of physical development behind the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Derry and Armagh. Out of that starting 15 today how many lads were over 6ft? How many over 13 or 14 stone?
    Tyrone are light-years away from challenging from an All Ireland, and serious work and change needs implemented at development level. We're bringing though good footballers, not athletes. The day of a 5ft 6,  11st intercounty footballer are long gone. Pace power strength are the name of the game now, and that's were we're ultimately lacking. As I've said carried too many squad players for years without bringing new blood in, to get them on conditioned plans for inter county football, now we're throwing young lads in at the deep end against teams who are at 3 or 4 years deep in their development and wondering why they look like men against boys. Lots of questions to be answered of the development coaches and structures in place. Spend millions on Garvaghy yet still getting left behind.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 19, 2024, 07:54:10 AM
    Quote from: BG_Gael on February 19, 2024, 01:48:11 AM
    Quote from: tyroneman on February 18, 2024, 06:08:35 PM
    Quote from: tyroneman on February 18, 2024, 06:07:27 PMJaysus that was a boring match.

    Tyrone were poor.

    Soft goal to give away in the context of the game and so so slow and ponderous in the build up.

    Match summed up in one passage where Harte had the ball 2v2 at the 45 with a clear  break on and proceeded to turn in circles before offloading backwards.

    McQuillan was as expected.

    McQuillan done nothing wrong to Tyrone all game to be fair to him. Kilpatrick was lucky to avoid a Black card in the 1st half. Gave Tyrone ample time to rescue a draw but no leaders stepped forward to have a shot in dying seconds even though numerous opportunities were on.

    If people are relying on McCurry, McShane, Meyler and Mattie coming back to transform that team then they are in for a massive reality check. Not near good enough. This is a long term issue and come as a result of Mickey not wanting to bleed new players and the current management only realising now you can't play to your 40.

    The only decent player that's come through in recent times is Darragh Canavan. Besides him, the players that have come through are leaving Tyrone are a division 2 team at best. We're lightyears in terms of physical development behind the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Derry and Armagh. Out of that starting 15 today how many lads were over 6ft? How many over 13 or 14 stone?
    Tyrone are light-years away from challenging from an All Ireland, and serious work and change needs implemented at development level. We're bringing though good footballers, not athletes. The day of a 5ft 6,  11st intercounty footballer are long gone. Pace power strength are the name of the game now, and that's were we're ultimately lacking. As I've said carried too many squad players for years without bringing new blood in, to get them on conditioned plans for inter county football, now we're throwing young lads in at the deep end against teams who are at 3 or 4 years deep in their development and wondering why they look like men against boys. Lots of questions to be answered of the development coaches and structures in place. Spend millions on Garvaghy yet still getting left behind.



    Laughable that anyone could try and blame Harte for the current issues. He left 3 years ago and left behind a team where the oldest players were around the 30 mark. And already had brought through a good squad of players from the 2015 u21 winning team and younger boys like Kennedy and Canavan.

    It was obvious that a change was needed this year in the management and it didnt happen. For some reason there are numerous players not involved that would add to the squad.

    I wouldn't be too harsh on the players as there are so many coming in at the one time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 19, 2024, 08:52:15 AM
    A good few lean years ahead you would expect unless something drastic happens. Tyrone very ordinary. Would be handy in Div 2 but in Div 1 we're struggling.
    Don't want to be to hard on the lad at the end but forwards need to shoot. It's coached out of them. That lad takes that shot on for his club and he scores it 10 / 10 times.

    The goal was awful to give away.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: MC on February 19, 2024, 12:37:55 PM
    Not sure Peter Harte had options going forward that time - I thought the same - but not clear on TV view? He would normally be looking for an opportunity to play it in if available.
    Some poor enough play at various stages of the game - I thought Tyrone even in development mode would have enough for this Galway team but some tackling and closing off seemed poor - including the goal - and almost a second goal!
    Difficult choices for an equalising chance - not sure any great shot option was on - may have been cuter to work it for a mark.
    Difficult on size and strength - i think there are quite a few who need the S&C time in the gym and another year or two of development - but Con o Callaghan, Eoin Murchan, Lee Keegan, etc. all under 6'. Maybe you just can't have too many of them at any one time!
    No real mention of Tierney's collision tackle and a possible red - not that I wanted to see one - but Conn Kilpatrick must have felt even more hard done by.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: time ticking away on February 19, 2024, 03:04:05 PM
    Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2024, 08:52:15 AMA good few lean years ahead you would expect unless something drastic happens. Tyrone very ordinary. Would be handy in Div 2 but in Div 1 we're struggling.
    Don't want to be to hard on the lad at the end but forwards need to shoot. It's coached out of them. That lad takes that shot on for his club and he scores it 10 / 10 times.

    The goal was awful to give away.
    The lad you are talking about kicked 3 points. Had another kick from the left corner.
    Don't think you can say he is afraid to shoot.
    But its hard to beat a good generalisation
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 19, 2024, 04:06:59 PM
    Quote from: time ticking away on February 19, 2024, 03:04:05 PM
    Quote from: trailer on February 19, 2024, 08:52:15 AMA good few lean years ahead you would expect unless something drastic happens. Tyrone very ordinary. Would be handy in Div 2 but in Div 1 we're struggling.
    Don't want to be to hard on the lad at the end but forwards need to shoot. It's coached out of them. That lad takes that shot on for his club and he scores it 10 / 10 times.

    The goal was awful to give away.
    The lad you are talking about kicked 3 points. Had another kick from the left corner.
    Don't think you can say he is afraid to shoot.
    But its hard to beat a good generalisation

    I wasn't been hard on him more then fact that he didn't take the shot because it wasn't a 100% chance and that's coached out of kids. The point I am trying to make is that for his club he'd take that shot. And he would score it.
    He was afraid to shoot in that instance. Anyway he has been one of the rare positives this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 19, 2024, 04:14:23 PM
    Yesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

    Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

    They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 19, 2024, 04:32:15 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 19, 2024, 04:14:23 PMYesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

    Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

    They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.

    Great shout. The stand wasnt even full yesterday, we are getting particularly poor crowds. There is no justification now playing all home games in Omagh. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on February 19, 2024, 04:56:51 PM
    The two points for Galway straight after HT set the tone for yesterday's second half. Like the second period in Celtic Park, there was a real lethargy.

    Things can be rosy again in 5 days with a win v Mayo. The lads will want to turn it around and the Canavan bros won't have been in Tralee this gameweek.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on February 19, 2024, 07:59:14 PM
    Mccurry?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on February 19, 2024, 08:34:03 PM
    Why wasn't mccurry or McShane playing
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 20, 2024, 08:13:16 AM
    McShane is only back in training following a lengthy lay off. It would be pretty desperate to throw him on. We have a lot of men that need a good pre season training - Oguz, McShane, McGleenan, McGeary, Mattie Donnelly. It'll take a while to get them up to speed. They do require match fitness as well, im not sure how thats achieved in the present condensed season.

    Some of the basics was really poor on Sunday. A couple of basic kick passes from Kennedy that went astray, the mark Niall Devlin missed was poor - got to be scoring that
    Very sloppy at the beggining of second half, allowing Galway those first two scores were just as critical as the goal
    No urgency coming out of defence, even after a good turnover and with pockets of space to run and kick into. No real purposeful running off the shoulder - all too lateral and slow

    The FF interchange system we persist with doesnt really work. We had kilpatrick in there for a few spells - never once kicked an early ball into him. What a waste. Cormac Quinn had a 5 minutes spell in there, Im still confused about that

    Correcting some fairly basic stuff would make a significant improvement straight away
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone95 on February 20, 2024, 09:12:28 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 19, 2024, 04:32:15 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 19, 2024, 04:14:23 PMYesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

    Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

    They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.

    Great shout. The stand wasnt even full yesterday, we are getting particularly poor crowds. There is no justification now playing all home games in Omagh. 

    The only justification probably is the media tower in which Omagh have that other club grounds don't. Not sure if RTE/TG4 would work as well in Carmen etc.. Dungannon sure to be an option but parking is a serious issue at Dungannon if they were to host a big NFL game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 20, 2024, 09:57:45 AM
    What changes will make if any?

    Morgan
    cormac Quinn
    Hampsey
    Clarke/devlin
    odonnell
    Mckernan
    Cullen
    Conn
    Kennedy
    Oguz
    Harte
    Canavan
    McCurry
    Canavan
    Daly

    Will they give mcglennon mcgeary a game?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 20, 2024, 10:10:58 AM
    Quote from: Tyrone95 on February 20, 2024, 09:12:28 AM
    Quote from: God14 on February 19, 2024, 04:32:15 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 19, 2024, 04:14:23 PMYesterdays game wouldn't help sell it to anyone but do the county board need to find ways to help improve the support and atmosphere at county games? Every McKenna Cup and league game is currently played in Omagh and can be a pretty drab place especially when the crowds are fairly low.

    Would it not be better to take 1 or 2 games a year to other club grounds? A packed Carrickmore would have been better than a quarter full healy park yesterday. Dungannon should be another option going forward as well.

    They certainly aren't playing them all in Omagh for the quality of the surface.

    Great shout. The stand wasnt even full yesterday, we are getting particularly poor crowds. There is no justification now playing all home games in Omagh. 

    The only justification probably is the media tower in which Omagh have that other club grounds don't. Not sure if RTE/TG4 would work as well in Carmen etc.. Dungannon sure to be an option but parking is a serious issue at Dungannon if they were to host a big NFL game.

    Don't think parking is an issue in Dungannon. Never was or has been and it has held many big games in the 90's and 2000's. The crowd that was there on Sunday v Galway wouldn't cause a problem to Dungannon
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2024, 10:58:00 AM
    Don't see it with McGleenan.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 20, 2024, 11:09:17 AM
    I dont think we can make any judgement really, he has had no club football and little training this long while.

    We got absolutely zero kick from our bench on Sunday though. McGeary did ok i suppose


    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on February 20, 2024, 11:59:52 AM
    O'Neill Park was a fortress back in the day due to the atmosphere generated by the crowd who were close to the pitch which isn't the case in Healy Park. County games have been played continuously in Healy Park since 2004 (except on very rare occasions when the pitch was unplayable) pretty much to justify the cost of the new stand. They've had 20 years use out of that stand now so it would be nice to have at least one of the NFL games somewhere else. I'd say if O'Neill Park were to host an NFL game under lights at some stage in the future the place would be absolutely buzzing.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on February 20, 2024, 01:18:10 PM
    Agree that Tyrone should play in different venues around the county. Beating Kerry in Edendork was enjoyable, I'm sure it was an amazing buzz for McCurry. Omagh is void of atmosphere and lends to a shite game a lot of the time. Tyrone played McKenna Cup in Coalisland around 2006, was a disgrace Coalisland didn't get to play their Ulster Club game at Fr Campbell Park. Open the fecking thing up, variety is the spice of life. Remember Tyrone v Cork in Dungannon 2003, felt Mickey sent Ricey over to mark Colin Corkery so he'd get a good roasting and justify benching him, Ricey came out on top  and was easily one of Tyrones best and most consistent players but still didn't start the first Championship game in 03.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on February 20, 2024, 01:29:26 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on February 20, 2024, 09:57:45 AMWhat changes will make if any?

    Morgan
    cormac Quinn
    Hampsey
    Clarke/devlin
    odonnell
    Mckernan
    Cullen
    Conn
    Kennedy
    Oguz
    Harte
    Canavan
    McCurry
    Canavan
    Daly

    Will they give mcglennon mcgeary a game?
    If McGlennon wasn't a McGlennon would he be on the panel? 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PM
    Not much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 20, 2024, 02:00:15 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that fluffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...

    Ok Tiarnan. Not sure Dooher reads GAA Board though.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 02:24:24 PM
    Quote from: trailer on February 20, 2024, 02:00:15 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that fluffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...

    Ok Tiarnan. Not sure Dooher reads GAA Board though.
    I certainly ain't Tiarnan. Not a great arguement to why he shouldn't get game time...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 20, 2024, 02:37:10 PM
    In my opinion the big issue Tyrone face is in their half back and half forward lines. You take the top teams currently in contention for the All Ireland - Kerry, Dublin, Derry, Mayo, Armagh. These teams have middle 8s who are full of pace, power, energy and line breaking ability as well as scores.
    If you compare just with Derry our likely Ulster Semi Final opponents - they have Gareth McKinless, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGroogan, Ethan Doherty, Ciaran McFaul as well as Rodger and Glass. Tyrone on the other hand haven't the same level of player to go alongside Kennedy and Kilpatrick. Meyler is a massive loss in this area. The jury is out on how much legs Peter Harte has left. Seanie O'Donnell would bring some of what I mention into this area. After that it is hard to see where Tyrone can get the injection or impetus from - a return of form of McGeary would help, Oguz at club level has shown capabilities, there has been glimpses so far from Ben Cullen. I don't think the other options - Michael O'Neill, Frank Burns, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Quinn, Niall Devlin, Tarlach Quinn, Aodhan Donaghy - can bring to the table what we need to push towards those top teams again. Ultimately the best players for this are not on the panel - Tiernan McCann and Rory Brennan.
    I think unless Tyrone resolve their issues in these lines of the field, they will stay behind in the chasing pack on the Div1/2 boundary.

    What I would want For Mayo:
    Morgan
    Devlin Hampsey Clarke
    O'Donnell McKernan Cullen
    Kennedy Kilpatrick
    K McGeary Harte Oguz
    McCurry D Canavan Daly
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone86 on February 20, 2024, 04:59:00 PM
    Alternative venues aren't an option as health and safety has moved on from the early 2000s. There were more in attendance in Healy Park for both games than MUDC or FODC would allow as the capacity for Dungannon/ Carrickmore/ Coalisland/ Pomeroy now and then you're into the issue of u16s needing tickets. McKenna Cup games on tour might be more realistic.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 20, 2024, 05:20:05 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 20, 2024, 02:37:10 PMIn my opinion the big issue Tyrone face is in their half back and half forward lines. You take the top teams currently in contention for the All Ireland - Kerry, Dublin, Derry, Mayo, Armagh. These teams have middle 8s who are full of pace, power, energy and line breaking ability as well as scores.
    If you compare just with Derry our likely Ulster Semi Final opponents - they have Gareth McKinless, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGroogan, Ethan Doherty, Ciaran McFaul as well as Rodger and Glass. Tyrone on the other hand haven't the same level of player to go alongside Kennedy and Kilpatrick. Meyler is a massive loss in this area. The jury is out on how much legs Peter Harte has left. Seanie O'Donnell would bring some of what I mention into this area. After that it is hard to see where Tyrone can get the injection or impetus from - a return of form of McGeary would help, Oguz at club level has shown capabilities, there has been glimpses so far from Ben Cullen. I don't think the other options - Michael O'Neill, Frank Burns, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Quinn, Niall Devlin, Tarlach Quinn, Aodhan Donaghy - can bring to the table what we need to push towards those top teams again. Ultimately the best players for this are not on the panel - Tiernan McCann and Rory Brennan.
    I think unless Tyrone resolve their issues in these lines of the field, they will stay behind in the chasing pack on the Div1/2 boundary.

    What I would want For Mayo:
    Morgan
    Devlin Hampsey Clarke
    O'Donnell McKernan Cullen
    Kennedy Kilpatrick
    K McGeary Harte Oguz
    McCurry D Canavan Daly


    To me this is spot on. Other teams like Derry like 3 power runners like Mckernan in their half back line. M Donnelly runs saved them last year. Out of the list named burns might add a bit of strength around the middle.

    Tmac at 32 would still be a great asset but understand if he's not a regular it's hard to commit. Monaghan and dubs early 30 players still key.
    Donaghy and Devlin had great times with under 20s so hope they have the belief to make the step up. Brennan be straight in at 6 as well and a fully fit Peter teague would be useful
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on February 21, 2024, 11:07:17 AM
    Lean times for us for a while  I feel but things will improve  as the year goes on. Agree with  taking few league games to Dungannon. No atmosphere in omagh but style of play doesn't help.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on February 21, 2024, 11:18:01 AM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 20, 2024, 04:59:00 PMAlternative venues aren't an option as health and safety has moved on from the early 2000s. There were more in attendance in Healy Park for both games than MUDC or FODC would allow as the capacity for Dungannon/ Carrickmore/ Coalisland/ Pomeroy now and then you're into the issue of u16s needing tickets. McKenna Cup games on tour might be more realistic.

    Out of interest, what was the attendance for the games against Roscommon and Galway? 8,000?

    Healy Park capacity is what 18,000?

    Would a 10,000 capacity venue packed not be far better than half empty soulless alternative

    If you put those games on in Cmore, Dungannon, etc there would likely be an attendance uplift, due to novelty alone, maybe the game would need to be ticketed just to be on the safe side

    And logistics in and around those grounds would be an issue, but not beyond the wit of man

    Bit of a joke Dublin won't play games at Parnell Park, I'm sure plenty of Dubs feel the same
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on February 21, 2024, 11:28:20 AM
    Quote from: tiempo on February 21, 2024, 11:18:01 AM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 20, 2024, 04:59:00 PMAlternative venues aren't an option as health and safety has moved on from the early 2000s. There were more in attendance in Healy Park for both games than MUDC or FODC would allow as the capacity for Dungannon/ Carrickmore/ Coalisland/ Pomeroy now and then you're into the issue of u16s needing tickets. McKenna Cup games on tour might be more realistic.

    Out of interest, what was the attendance for the games against Roscommon and Galway? 8,000?

    Healy Park capacity is what 18,000?

    Would a 10,000 capacity venue packed not be far better than half empty soulless alternative

    If you put those games on in Cmore, Dungannon, etc there would likely be an attendance uplift, due to novelty alone, maybe the game would need to be ticketed just to be on the safe side

    And logistics in and around those grounds would be an issue, but not beyond the wit of man

    Bit of a joke Dublin won't play games at Parnell Park, I'm sure plenty of Dubs feel the same

    If they were to use smaller grounds, which would likely be near capacity, then u16's would be charged into the games as it'd be all ticket. Would this help? Honestly not sure.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on February 21, 2024, 11:47:32 AM
    Quote from: GlenMan on February 21, 2024, 11:28:20 AM
    Quote from: tiempo on February 21, 2024, 11:18:01 AM
    Quote from: tyrone86 on February 20, 2024, 04:59:00 PMAlternative venues aren't an option as health and safety has moved on from the early 2000s. There were more in attendance in Healy Park for both games than MUDC or FODC would allow as the capacity for Dungannon/ Carrickmore/ Coalisland/ Pomeroy now and then you're into the issue of u16s needing tickets. McKenna Cup games on tour might be more realistic.

    Out of interest, what was the attendance for the games against Roscommon and Galway? 8,000?

    Healy Park capacity is what 18,000?

    Would a 10,000 capacity venue packed not be far better than half empty soulless alternative

    If you put those games on in Cmore, Dungannon, etc there would likely be an attendance uplift, due to novelty alone, maybe the game would need to be ticketed just to be on the safe side

    And logistics in and around those grounds would be an issue, but not beyond the wit of man

    Bit of a joke Dublin won't play games at Parnell Park, I'm sure plenty of Dubs feel the same

    If they were to use smaller grounds, which would likely be near capacity, then u16's would be charged into the games as it'd be all ticket. Would this help? Honestly not sure.

    Any charge for U16s would be fairly nominal I'm sure, allocation might be more of an issue but not insurmountable, a smaller ground that is higher proportion full makes for a better atmosphere, I'd even go as far as to say a better game

    With the majority of games being televised and a lack of feel in Omagh due to large swathes of empty terrace its got to be worth looking elsewhere for a bit of novelty

    Wasn't there major pitch works scheduled at Omagh anyway that was going to take it out of action for a year or so, alternatives will have to be in place for that in due course
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 21, 2024, 12:23:23 PM
    There was plenty of room in the stand on Sunday and very few on the terrace so I'd imagine the attendance was around 3,000 (pitiful by division 1 standards - not long ago our "fans" used to take hand out of Kerry being badly supported). Carrickmore would be more than capable of holding this and has had bigger crowds at club championship games in recent years. Hopefully Dungannon becomes an option again.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...
    Welcome to the board, Tiarnan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...
    Welcome to the board, Tiarnan
    ::)  you're bit late that comment was made earlier. I'm def not Tiarnan Quinn!   :)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...
    Welcome to the board, Tiarnan
    ::)  you're bit late that comment was made earlier. I'm def not Tiarnan Quinn!   :)
    Welcome to the board Cathaoir Quinn, will Coalisland stay up this year?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...
    Welcome to the board, Tiarnan
    ::)  you're bit late that comment was made earlier. I'm def not Tiarnan Quinn!   :)
    Welcome to the board Cathaoir Quinn, will Coalisland stay up this year?

    Ok joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 21, 2024, 02:10:23 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...
    Welcome to the board, Tiarnan
    ::)  you're bit late that comment was made earlier. I'm def not Tiarnan Quinn!   :)
    Welcome to the board Cathaoir Quinn, will Coalisland stay up this year?

    Ok joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

    Yes especially when the galbally fella got a few minutes at the end
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 02:13:20 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMOk joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

    I would agree that Tiarnan would be worth a gamble when chasing the game, he has that maverick quality about him but ultimately the percentage shot safety first Inter County game doesn't lend itself to this sort of behavior anymore.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone86 on February 21, 2024, 02:16:44 PM
    The issue is what the council will license a venue for as the attendance, not what a venue can hold.
    Conceivably you could get a 5k license for O'Neill Park when completed but you aren't getting anything close to that for Carrickmore.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on February 21, 2024, 02:54:41 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 21, 2024, 12:23:23 PMThere was plenty of room in the stand on Sunday and very few on the terrace so I'd imagine the attendance was around 3,000 (pitiful by division 1 standards - not long ago our "fans" used to take hand out of Kerry being badly supported). Carrickmore would be more than capable of holding this and has had bigger crowds at club championship games in recent years. Hopefully Dungannon becomes an option again.

    Game live on TV and stinking wet day would play a part but 3000 is very low

    There was mention of Tyrone supporters club on here before, something does need to be looked at in terms of support, but then again we've been spoilt. There's a marked difference in support for Derry Armagh Mayo who lust after the success Tyrone have had, suppose it comes with the territory, people take an a la carte approach after a while as travelling after successful teams can become an expensive hobby
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 21, 2024, 05:53:15 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 02:13:20 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMOk joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

    I would agree that Tiarnan would be worth a gamble when chasing the game, he has that maverick quality about him but ultimately the percentage shot safety first Inter County game doesn't lend itself to this sort of behavior anymore.

    I'd rather have seen Tiarnan Quinn come on on Sunday than McGleenan to be honest. Surprised Quinn hasn't seen any game time in the league so far.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 06:05:53 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 02:13:20 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMOk joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

    I would agree that Tiarnan would be worth a gamble when chasing the game, he has that maverick quality about him but ultimately the percentage shot safety first Inter County game doesn't lend itself to this sort of behavior anymore.
    They were definitely chasing the game on Sunday players passing sideways and backways not confident enough to shoot and the clock ticking down... ironic considering the shots Dooher fired over in his career.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 24, 2024, 11:42:31 AM
    Almost 5hrs to throw in, and no team sheet up. True to form.
    Our senior management don't get much right these days... underwhelming
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on February 24, 2024, 01:54:38 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...
    Welcome to the board, Tiarnan
    ::)  you're bit late that comment was made earlier. I'm def not Tiarnan Quinn!   :)
    Welcome to the board Cathaoir Quinn, will Coalisland stay up this year?

    Ok joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

    Yes. Of course there is. Every squad has subs. There are plenty waiting who would kill to be on the Tyrone squad.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on February 24, 2024, 05:35:27 PM
    Quote from: RedHand88 on February 24, 2024, 01:54:38 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 01:52:49 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 21, 2024, 01:50:09 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on February 21, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on February 20, 2024, 01:38:52 PMNot much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...
    Welcome to the board, Tiarnan
    ::)  you're bit late that comment was made earlier. I'm def not Tiarnan Quinn!   :)
    Welcome to the board Cathaoir Quinn, will Coalisland stay up this year?

    Ok joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

    Yes. Of course there is. Every squad has subs. There are plenty waiting who would kill to be on the Tyrone squad.

    I think you'll find players who never get any game time walk away eventually.. been quite a few in recent years
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on February 24, 2024, 05:43:17 PM
    Christ this is awful shite. Every Tyrone player just looking back.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 24, 2024, 06:05:27 PM
    Very bad. Dunno what to say. Peter Canavan seems pissed.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Derryman forever on February 24, 2024, 07:16:11 PM
    Ye are not pissed now.
    Great 2nd half.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on February 24, 2024, 09:18:00 PM
    Excellent second half.  How can this management team leave Mc Curry on the bench.....
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 24, 2024, 09:25:52 PM
    Quote from: Quarterbackk on February 24, 2024, 09:18:00 PMExcellent second half.  How can this management team leave Mc Curry on the bench.....

    McCurry on the bench surely isn't tactical I hope. Mayo v poor and trying players but great to see a step up in intensity in the second half. Love to see Oguz go at players as got the size and speed. Conn a distracting player at times. Cullen brought something to the second half and one the new fellas who brings a bit of size
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on February 24, 2024, 10:18:42 PM
    Keeping 1/2 players up front really worked wonders in the second half.

    Conn won a couple of frees from long balls in. Darragh was on fire today, won nearly every ball in, and sometimes one-handed. With another ref, the opposition would have built up a rack of yellows or worse on Darragh.

    The defence though really stepped up in the second half and were far less passive. Harrassed Mayo and turned the ball over repeatedly which sucked the life out of Mayo. Big Kennedy was prominent second half and dominated the middle third.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Derryman forever on February 25, 2024, 08:55:25 AM
    Any word on how Young O'Donnel is.
    Hope the injury is not too bad.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 25, 2024, 09:17:01 AM
    Encouraging second-half last night. McCurry really added to the attack but there was an intensity and focus throughout the team. For the first time in a while Tyrone looked like they knew what they were trying to do. Hard games coming up but something to build on there.

    Hope O'Donnell is OK, looked nasty. He has been showing up well so far too.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on February 25, 2024, 10:09:26 AM
    Very heartened by that second  half. Team had shape,aggression, moved the ball much quicker especially with  the foot. Needs to be our template  going forward.never want to see another  half of football like the first half, particularly our attack.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: omagh_gael on February 25, 2024, 11:27:01 AM
    Don't think I've seen it mentioned but thought Petey Harte put in a serious shift yesterday. Best I've seen him play in a long time.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 26, 2024, 02:57:11 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2024, 10:09:26 AMVery heartened by that second  half. Team had shape,aggression, moved the ball much quicker especially with  the foot. Needs to be our template  going forward.never want to see another  half of football like the first half, particularly our attack.

    Very unfair to blame our attack in the first half when the build up is slow & ponderous.
    The difference in the second half with quicker ball to the forward line and more pace in the middle third was key.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on February 26, 2024, 06:00:07 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 26, 2024, 02:57:11 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on February 25, 2024, 10:09:26 AMVery heartened by that second  half. Team had shape,aggression, moved the ball much quicker especially with  the foot. Needs to be our template  going forward.never want to see another  half of football like the first half, particularly our attack.

    Very unfair to blame our attack in the first half when the build up is slow & ponderous.
    The difference in the second half with quicker ball to the forward line and more pace in the middle third was key.
    The most sensible comment I have read here in a while.  We started the game with a forward line full of midfielders and half backs, even then we failed to supply them quick. We finished with a forward line and we supplied them quick.  Quick is the most underused shout in gaelic football these days...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: southtyronegael on February 27, 2024, 11:33:52 AM
    Would  love to see a bigger unit in the full forward line to compliment mc curry/canavan. Either of mc Shane, mattie donnelly or mc gleenan would  be worth a go when available.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ClubScene13 on February 27, 2024, 11:44:00 AM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on February 27, 2024, 11:33:52 AMWould  love to see a bigger unit in the full forward line to compliment mc curry/canavan. Either of mc Shane, mattie donnelly or mc gleenan would  be worth a go when available.

    Wouldn't have McShane on the radar again until your shown otherwise. What's the craic with McShane has been asked some times in the last few years.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 27, 2024, 12:17:52 PM
    From what we've seen of McGleenan so far I'm not sure he is ready yet either for that level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 27, 2024, 12:29:21 PM
    The possibility of Tyrone having 3 out and out forwards starting is remote, to say the least.

    Only one starter v Galway (Darragh) and the same v Mayo until needs must and Dazzler entered the fray and immediately we all could see the difference.

    I think that will be it. Two at most. Dooher was shouting constantly at McCurry last Saturday to trek back as that is what he expects.

    The other lads (Daly, Kilpatrick, Oguz, Devlin, O'Donnell, Kennedy, Harte, etc) are essentially middle third players who contribute a lot to the team and are a necessity in the Dooher game plan.

    But I cannot see more than 2 out and out forwards ever starting (if even 2) - I honestly hope I am wrong but I can't see it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on February 27, 2024, 04:17:12 PM
    Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2024, 12:17:52 PMFrom what we've seen of McGleenan so far I'm not sure he is ready yet either for that level.
    All brawn and no guile
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on February 27, 2024, 04:52:50 PM
    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/ieD1kK48sZCwN6tV/

    Anyone going to Killarney
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 27, 2024, 07:09:13 PM
    How do we know mcglennan isn't up to it if he hasn't had a go
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: scout on February 27, 2024, 09:41:09 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 27, 2024, 07:09:13 PMHow do we know mcglennan isn't up to it if he hasn't had a go
    .

    He joined in 2022 season I believe & don't even think he has started a McKenna cup game? He obviously isn't up to it as he would have featured by now.
    Knows the drills, has the gear, likely useful for training drills.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 27, 2024, 09:48:08 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 27, 2024, 09:41:09 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 27, 2024, 07:09:13 PMHow do we know mcglennan isn't up to it if he hasn't had a go
    .

    He joined in 2022 season I believe & don't even think he has started a McKenna cup game? He obviously isn't up to it as he would have featured by now.
    Knows the drills, has the gear, likely useful for training drills.

    Very unfair lads.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 28, 2024, 08:54:47 AM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 27, 2024, 07:09:13 PMHow do we know mcglennan isn't up to it if he hasn't had a go

    I just said he didn't look ready yet in the albeit limited appearances I have seen so far. He may well turn out to be a really good player for us its early days of course.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 28, 2024, 09:03:02 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 27, 2024, 09:48:08 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 27, 2024, 09:41:09 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 27, 2024, 07:09:13 PMHow do we know mcglennan isn't up to it if he hasn't had a go
    .

    He joined in 2022 season I believe & don't even think he has started a McKenna cup game? He obviously isn't up to it as he would have featured by now.
    Knows the drills, has the gear, likely useful for training drills.

    Very unfair lads.

    +1

    Unbelievable that. How many appearances did he make for Eglish last year? The lad has had no football at all, just returning after a very lengthy lay off, and people are judging him in 2 ten minute substitute appearances against Derry when the game was gone, and Galway - when we were chasing the game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Degrassi Hi on February 28, 2024, 11:24:35 AM
    This is extremely unfair to pass judgement on young McGleenan at such an early stage in his career.  Many legendary Tyrone players looked to be out of their depth for their first number of games. Think back to a young McNamee V Kerry or McShane V Donegal - both men went on to win All-stars and by all accounts McShane will be back in contention very soon. I've also seen men being brilliant debutants but didn't progress or hang about the panel long enough. Give the kids a bit of time as there's another All Ireland coming in the not too distant future.     
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on February 28, 2024, 11:41:01 AM
    Enda McGinley was a prime example of this.  When Tyrone eon their first all ireland I didn't really rate him as a corner forward.  Fast forward to 2008 and he was rolling between midfield and attack and was in the runingvfor footballer of the year.  Good luck to the young fellas and mcglennan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on February 28, 2024, 03:03:19 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 28, 2024, 11:41:01 AMEnda McGinley was a prime example of this.  When Tyrone eon their first all ireland I didn't really rate him as a corner forward.  Fast forward to 2008 and he was rolling between midfield and attack and was in the runingvfor footballer of the year.  Good luck to the young fellas and mcglennan

    Was never played as a corner forward and wasn't always the easiest on the eye, but the shift he put in and importance to those teams should not be underestimated, i think there was a bit of a thing where when he scored Tyrone didn't get beat, coincidence obviously but what a horse of a man, broke his neck in the 03 AIF and played on, mad stuff altogether!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: rrhf on February 28, 2024, 03:53:56 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 28, 2024, 09:03:02 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on February 27, 2024, 09:48:08 PM
    Quote from: scout on February 27, 2024, 09:41:09 PM
    Quote from: An Watcher on February 27, 2024, 07:09:13 PMHow do we know mcglennan isn't up to it if he hasn't had a go
    .

    He joined in 2022 season I believe & don't even think he has started a McKenna cup game? He obviously isn't up to it as he would have featured by now.
    Knows the drills, has the gear, likely useful for training drills.

    Very unfair lads.

    +1

    Unbelievable that. How many appearances did he make for Eglish last year? The lad has had no football at all, just returning after a very lengthy lay off, and people are judging him in 2 ten minute substitute appearances against Derry when the game was gone, and Galway - when we were chasing the game
    I agree. Lad has been injured, hasnt had a chance yet. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on February 28, 2024, 10:56:01 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on February 27, 2024, 11:33:52 AMWould  love to see a bigger unit in the full forward line to compliment mc curry/canavan. Either of mc Shane, mattie donnelly or mc gleenan would  be worth a go when available.

    To be fair, Kilpatrick was there a lot of the time. I moved behind the goals Tyrone were playing into in the second half and you could hear Conn shouting to knock it in to him. And I think the first 2 balls he won and possibly won a free kick for a trip on him. Not sure if he's a permanent option there but it was working second half.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on February 28, 2024, 11:38:14 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on February 28, 2024, 10:56:01 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on February 27, 2024, 11:33:52 AMWould  love to see a bigger unit in the full forward line to compliment mc curry/canavan. Either of mc Shane, mattie donnelly or mc gleenan would  be worth a go when available.

    To be fair, Kilpatrick was there a lot of the time. I moved behind the goals Tyrone were playing into in the second half and you could hear Conn shouting to knock it in to him. And I think the first 2 balls he won and possibly won a free kick for a trip on him. Not sure if he's a permanent option there but it was working second half.

    McShane if he could get back to himself would be the ideal, but it's a big if. I think have him up top with and McCurry and Canavan there too, but probably not at the same time.

    Donnelly too always has done well inside, but how he comes back is another question.

    There's good players in the panel, different types of players and no obvious weakness in terms of playing personnel to me.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RoundBall on February 29, 2024, 12:19:44 AM
    Is McShane still a part of the panel? Was definitely there during the McKenna Cup, was along with other injured players in the stand. Rumours he played a challenge game for Owen Roe's on Saturday night as the Mayo game was being played.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 29, 2024, 01:55:27 PM
    Quote from: RoundBall on February 29, 2024, 12:19:44 AMIs McShane still a part of the panel? Was definitely there during the McKenna Cup, was along with other injured players in the stand. Rumours he played a challenge game for Owen Roe's on Saturday night as the Mayo game was being played.

    Heard he returned to full training the weekend after the Derry match. Playing a challenge game for Owen Roes would make alot of sense, he's coming back off major surgery 8 months ago.
    Im only guessing here - this weekend surely still too soon, but then there's another fortnight to the Monaghan game on 16th March. Could we see him make the 26 then? It would be a boost for sure
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on February 29, 2024, 03:02:00 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on February 28, 2024, 10:56:01 PM
    Quote from: southtyronegael on February 27, 2024, 11:33:52 AMWould  love to see a bigger unit in the full forward line to compliment mc curry/canavan. Either of mc Shane, mattie donnelly or mc gleenan would  be worth a go when available.

    To be fair, Kilpatrick was there a lot of the time. I moved behind the goals Tyrone were playing into in the second half and you could hear Conn shouting to knock it in to him. And I think the first 2 balls he won and possibly won a free kick for a trip on him. Not sure if he's a permanent option there but it was working second half.

    A big man on the edge of square keeps the defence honest. It's not an option every time but sometimes it is. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on February 29, 2024, 04:00:52 PM
    Michael McKernan & Aidan Clarke both unavailable for Sundays trip to Killarney according to Irish News. Thats a big gaping hole in our defence. No word on Seanie O'Donnell in the article, but can only presume he will be out as well.
    Would Tarlac Quinn be close to a return? The squad seems a bit light in defensive reinforcements? Eoin Corry would have been an option, but havnt seen him named in any squads to date
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on February 29, 2024, 04:13:45 PM
    Quote from: God14 on February 29, 2024, 04:00:52 PMMichael McKernan & Aidan Clarke both unavailable for Sundays trip to Killarney according to Irish News. Thats a big gaping hole in our defence. No word on Seanie O'Donnell in the article, but can only presume he will be out as well.
    Would Tarlac Quinn be close to a return? The squad seems a bit light in defensive reinforcements? Eoin Corry would have been an option, but havnt seen him named in any squads to date

    Not the best of news that although I did hear a rumour that Clarke had hurt himself at training. McKernan has a hand/thumb injury and will be out for a while.
    Possibly bring in Ben Cullen and/or Niall Devlin (back to half back) and put Cormac Quinn into the corner.

    I am automatically assuming Dazzler will start after his cameo last week so there will be 2/3 changes to the starting team at least.

    This is where the squad counts but a tough place for it to get tested at.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on February 29, 2024, 04:22:54 PM
    McKernan is a huge loss for Kerry. For me, him and Morgan have been our best players so far this year. Big test for the team - we usually pull something out of the bag when least expected and the form Canavan is in and what McCurry showed from the bench then maybe we have a bit of a chance. Optimistic maybe.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on February 29, 2024, 06:04:56 PM
    New man in from galbally was quiet at weekend but most struggled to get into the game. Must be showing well in training

    McCurry will be in for him from start you'd suspect and as mentioned Cullen also too in from start. Mccarron will be hoping to get a go in the corner as well
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on February 29, 2024, 07:16:23 PM
    Any word on McShane?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on March 01, 2024, 12:06:14 PM
    Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 29, 2024, 07:16:23 PMAny word on McShane?
    The Irish News article said it was hoped he could make the squad this weekend
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 01, 2024, 09:51:31 PM
    McShane and Donnelly back on the bench for Sunday.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 01, 2024, 10:05:12 PM
    What was mcshanes injury?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 01, 2024, 10:18:55 PM
    Seanie O'Donnell named too, didn't expect that but really happy his injury clearly nowhere near as bad as it looked.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: seafoid on March 02, 2024, 04:26:33 PM
    There is a feature article in the Irish Times today marking the 20th anniversary of the death of Cormac McAnallen
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 03, 2024, 10:15:25 PM
    Hard to know where we are at after that game today. I'm optimistic and like bits and pieces of what we are seeing. You'd want to know 12/13 starters for the SFC after the league. Not sure if we're there yet. Oguz put his hand up today.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 03, 2024, 11:25:06 PM
    If the beat Monaghan will most likely be safe. If they stay in division 1 it will have been a great league
    Blooded a lot of new players - almost someone new every week Conal Devlin, Tarlach Quinn, Seanie O Donnell, Ciaran Daly,Aidan Clarke, Joe Oguz, Aodhan Donaghy have all done well, others have had game time such as Lórcan McGarrity, David Mulgrew, Cormac Donnelly,  Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Conor Cush to mixed success. But if they stay up with a win v Monaghan then it was a pretty good league.
    Add in your McGeary, Burns, Meyler, Mattie Donnelly, Cathal McShane all to come back into contention - then there could be a very competitive squad come  championship. If they are ever all available.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 04, 2024, 12:11:00 AM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 03, 2024, 11:25:06 PMIf the beat Monaghan will most likely be safe. If they stay in division 1 it will have been a great league
    Blooded a lot of new players - almost someone new every week Conal Devlin, Tarlach Quinn, Seanie O Donnell, Ciaran Daly,Aidan Clarke, Joe Oguz, Aodhan Donaghy have all done well, others have had game time such as Lórcan McGarrity, David Mulgrew, Cormac Donnelly,  Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Conor Cush to mixed success. But if they stay up with a win v Monaghan then it was a pretty good league.
    Add in your McGeary, Burns, Meyler, Mattie Donnelly, Cathal McShane all to come back into contention - then there could be a very competitive squad come  championship. If they are ever all available.


    There aren't many teams that are as blessed with dangerous forwards like Canavan x2, Donnelly, McCurry, McShane. There should be some serious options to bring off the bench.

    Most of the new faces have shown very well in spurts. It's hard to impress in the league, I have numerous memories of the like of Ronan O'Neill and Lee Brennan being completely anonymous during leagues. Several seem to have real pace and that will show more as the ground dries. Hopefully it light a fire under the more experienced heads as they were majorly off the boil the last couple of seasons.

    The new format could suit Tyrone. A lot of players now have experience and we will be able to figure out things over a few games hopefully.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 02:44:16 AM
    Attacking play on the whole has a bit to go yet. It was good to see Oguz running at people today although it didn't always work out he's got the size and speed to cause problems. Conn can still take too much out of it at times

    Thought Ben Cullen done well today but Niall Devlin had his hands full on paudie Clifford and couldn't really get near him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 04, 2024, 08:40:15 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 02:44:16 AMAttacking play on the whole has a bit to go yet. It was good to see Oguz running at people today although it didn't always work out he's got the size and speed to cause problems. Conn can still take too much out of it at times

    Thought Ben Cullen done well today but Niall Devlin had his hands full on paudie Clifford and couldn't really get near him

    Felt sorry for Niall Devlin to be honest. That couldn't have been easy for him - how 3 members of management stood and watched a young lad get destroyed like that without switching him beggars belief.
    It hopefully won't dent his confidence too much but it will surely affect any sub defenders who must be asking themselves questions along with the fact that we moved a forward back to replace Petie Harte when he got injured instead of a sub defender. 
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 04, 2024, 09:01:17 AM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 04, 2024, 08:40:15 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 02:44:16 AMAttacking play on the whole has a bit to go yet. It was good to see Oguz running at people today although it didn't always work out he's got the size and speed to cause problems. Conn can still take too much out of it at times

    Thought Ben Cullen done well today but Niall Devlin had his hands full on paudie Clifford and couldn't really get near him

    Felt sorry for Niall Devlin to be honest. That couldn't have been easy for him - how 3 members of management stood and watched a young lad get destroyed like that without switching him beggars belief.
    It hopefully won't dent his confidence too much but it will surely affect any sub defenders who must be asking themselves questions along with the fact that we moved a forward back to replace Petie Harte when he got injured instead of a sub defender. 

    Thats a fair point. I was surprised he was still on him after the HT break I was sure they would have made a switch. Niall Devlin has a lot of very good attributes but not sure man marking a player like Clifford is one of them. He seems a confident enough player so hopefully it won't affect him too much.

    I think we will beat Monaghan in 2 weeks time. They'll not fear coming to Omagh but I think in a must win game we'll have too much for them.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on March 04, 2024, 09:36:57 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 02:44:16 AMAttacking play on the whole has a bit to go yet. It was good to see Oguz running at people today although it didn't always work out he's got the size and speed to cause problems. Conn can still take too much out of it at times

    Thought Ben Cullen done well today but Niall Devlin had his hands full on paudie Clifford and couldn't really get near him

    I'd have Cullen nailed on for a start going forward.

    Maybe coincidence but we've been at our worst when he hasn't been on the pitch so far (2nd half v Derry, full game v Galway, 1st half v Mayo)

    C Devlin, Clarke, Daly, O'Donnell, Donaghy have been big positives so far too
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 10:41:31 AM
    McKernan, Meyler and Burns. Any word on fitness?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 04, 2024, 11:06:48 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 10:41:31 AMMcKernan, Meyler and Burns. Any word on fitness?

    McKernan has the hand in plaster cast. You could rule him out of the remaining two league games.
     
    Tarlac Quinn - any word on him?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:48:21 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 04, 2024, 11:06:48 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 10:41:31 AMMcKernan, Meyler and Burns. Any word on fitness?

    McKernan has the hand in plaster cast. You could rule him out of the remaining two league games.
     
    Tarlac Quinn - any word on him?

    He's been very good any time I have seen him.

    I actually wasn't too disappointed yesterday. Tyrone took some crazy shots and options. But they created plenty. Keeping lads fit is an issue but if we can head into the championship with guys coming back then that will be a good lift.
    Next week is a big game but have confidence that they'll get over the line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 04, 2024, 01:28:31 PM
    Have to say that I am encouraged by some of the new blood this year.  Hopefully some of them hold onto their places or provide competition for more established faces.  Important to get a win now against monaghan and I will be content heading into the championship
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: samuel maguire on March 04, 2024, 02:19:35 PM
    Having watched every Tyrone game this year i can't say i have been overly impressed by any of their new finds. Honestly.
    In saying that, they haven't done poorly or bad, but just much of the same of what already is/has been there before. I don't see any real game changers there or someone to grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Seanie O'Donnell probably the stand out for his work rate alone
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: samuel maguire on March 04, 2024, 02:20:26 PM
    C Devlin at corner back hasn't done too bad in fairness as well. Hasn't done much wrong
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on March 04, 2024, 02:30:24 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on March 04, 2024, 09:36:57 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 02:44:16 AMAttacking play on the whole has a bit to go yet. It was good to see Oguz running at people today although it didn't always work out he's got the size and speed to cause problems. Conn can still take too much out of it at times

    Thought Ben Cullen done well today but Niall Devlin had his hands full on paudie Clifford and couldn't really get near him

    I'd have Cullen nailed on for a start going forward.

    Maybe coincidence but we've been at our worst when he hasn't been on the pitch so far (2nd half v Derry, full game v Galway, 1st half v Mayo)

    C Devlin, Clarke, Daly, O'Donnell, Donaghy have been big positives so far too

    Clarke, Daly and O Donnell have been good finds.  Devlin, Cormac Quinn and Niall Devlin shipped serious roastings yesterday. They will have learned much. Im not too worried though, Add Meyler, Harte and Mc Kernan to that defense and its a strong looking team.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: statto on March 04, 2024, 02:47:51 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 04, 2024, 11:06:48 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 10:41:31 AMMcKernan, Meyler and Burns. Any word on fitness?

    McKernan has the hand in plaster cast. You could rule him out of the remaining two league games.
     
    Tarlac Quinn - any word on him?
    Any idea how this was sustained?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 04, 2024, 03:37:36 PM
    Quote from: statto on March 04, 2024, 02:47:51 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 04, 2024, 11:06:48 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 04, 2024, 10:41:31 AMMcKernan, Meyler and Burns. Any word on fitness?

    McKernan has the hand in plaster cast. You could rule him out of the remaining two league games.
     
    Tarlac Quinn - any word on him?
    Any idea how this was sustained?

    hurt it in the first half against Mayo
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AM
    Good article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:55:30 AM
    Quote from: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

    tetchy!

    Cahir is a journalist, its his job to give insight and opinion. Do you disagree with his comments?

    I think Dooher has done a great job this year - he has blooded 7 or 8 new players in. We will benefit massively from this process in the coming years. But the points on the structure & attacking shape of the team are valid. Such as persisting with our best midfielder & attacking runner at 14, despite seldom kicking the ball into him. Slow ponderous counter attacks. Clogging up our own attacking D. The reliance of individual brillance for scores...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 07, 2024, 10:25:59 PM
    The thing about that is that they are all wrong if you look at the Mayo game.

    First of all, he isn't our best midfielder and attacking runner.
    Secondly, they did kick the ball into him and had success.
    Thirdly, the attacks weren't ponderous.
    Lastly, they didn't clog up the D.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 08, 2024, 07:06:17 AM
    Any chance of someone posting that article on herecas wouldn't mind getting a read of that
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 08, 2024, 11:08:52 AM
    The Irish News

    Cahair O'Kane: Tyrone have the forwards to make a mark, but not the shape
    Reliance on individual moments of brilliance undermines that when it comes to it, Tyrone simply don't score enough to win big games

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    Darragh Canavan
    Darragh Canavan has grown over the last year into Tyrone's key man, but his moments of brilliance are undermined by the way the Red Hands attack generally. Picture: Margaret McLaughlin
    By Cahair O'Kane
    March 04, 2024 at 10:01PM GMT
    SO much of Peter Canavan's greatness was that, despite his size, he wasn't this wee dainty inside forward that could only deal with the ball fed in low into the space.

    He was a ball-winner, fit to roll with the punches and throw a few back if needs be.

    Growing up in the townland of Seskilgreen, he learned his trade the hard way that so many Irish siblings did.

    Games in the garden with Steven and Pascal toughened him up no end. A fierce competitive streak ran through the lot of them.


    Donegal have key players back for trip to Roscommon

    Tyrone need win in London to keep promotion hopes alive
    Nothing would be given easy to the wee brother.


    It's very difficult to write about Darragh and Ruairi Canavan now and not compare them to what has gone before.Perhaps it's part of why Darragh in particular has actively shunned the limelight since breaking into the Tyrone team.

    We know virtually nothing about him aside from what we see for 70 minutes on a weekend.

    There are no feature pieces, no sit-downs, no podcasts.

    Darragh's inter-county career spluttered through its first couple of seasons, interrupted by injuries as his body tried to adjust to what he needed it to be.

    That part of his journey looks close to completion.Take the first score he got against Mayo last weekend. It was a ball kicked in when he was one-against-two, with no right to win it, go past Sam Callinan, steady up and kick from the wrong side with the right foot.


    Forget the finish. It was the way he secured possession was so reminiscent of his father's best quality. That he didn't care for his own safety, that he was outnumbered and disadvantaged and not the biggest morsel on God's greenery.

    That was his ball, and damned if you're taking it off him.

    The goal he netted in the second half underlined everything that he and Tyrone are right now, the good and the bad.

    That goals have become such a precious commodity gives a good indication of where things are going wrong.

    In 28 league and championship games since they won the All-Ireland, Tyrone have failed to score a goal 17 times.


    That's a worse record than anyone around them. Derry (7 blanks in 33 games), Kerry (8/33), Galway (10/33), Dublin (12/31), Armagh (14/30), Mayo (15/31) and Monaghan (16/30) all have better goalscoring records than Tyrone.

    And it's not just goals.

    Look at the points they kicked in Killarney on Sunday.

    The only time you could say they really got in behind Kerry organically in the entire game was when Ben Cullen ghosted in to fire over from a tight angle.

    Their goal came off a half-hit shot that fell nicely. Seanie O'Donnell hooked a first-half point in a similar scenario.


    Tyrone's attacking play looks appears completely off-the-cuff.

    They have an awful tendency to clog their own space.

    In one first-half attack against Mayo, Conn Kilpatrick was inside and there was space until three different players made runs right across the inside of the 'D', just to get to the other side.

    They had no eyes for the ball and all they succeeded in doing was cutting off the space. Support wasn't coming on the wings, the kick was cut off and inevitably, they were turned over.

    Kilpatrick moving to full-forward is a regular feature of their play and yet you have to wonder why. The premise of it has merit, because he's a serious operator under a high ball and really direct, but they utilise him so seldom that it defeats its own purpose.


    The Edendork man also happens to be their most explosive ball-carrier. When he runs at a team down the middle, they often have to foul him or let him go.

    But by having him standing on the six-yard line waiting on a ball that they never kick in, they're robbing Peter and not even paying Paul with it.

    Canavan has been playing closer to goal this spring but they look for him so early on the break.You can see they want to use the boot in transition but they're kicking low into space for him and by the time he's collected the ball, he's 40 yards out on the wing with four men to beat.

    Contrast that with Shane McGuigan, who Derry almost never kick the ball to. He plays almost exclusively on the loop and it is devastatingly effective.

    Tyrone don't get any depth into their attacking shape, they clog up the 'D' on themselves, they leave Conn Kilpatrick standing foundered and ultimately, if Darragh Canavan or Darren McCurry don't do something special, they don't really score.

    Tyrone have just become hugely reliant on those moments of individual brilliance.

    It may be a strategy that has worked for Kerry, but they have the boul' Clifford. Nobody else can afford that.

    When the Red Hands came up against Kerry in last year's All-Ireland quarter-final, they had scored just six points after 52 minutes, two of them outstanding efforts from Darragh Canavan.

    Diarmuid O'Connor's goal at that point brought Jack O'Connor's side on to 1-14.

    Against Monaghan weeks previous, they surprised everyone by going man-to-man and creating a load of space.

    By half-time, they had 1-10 on the board.

    But Vinny Corey got it worked out at the break, clogged up the middle and Tyrone lost the second half 2-10 to 0-8 because they couldn't play through it.

    With the quality of players they have, it is fixable.

    Brian Dooher has decisions to make when he has his full hand available. The younger boys are learning the hard way – take Niall Devlin having to go toe-to-toe with Paudie Clifford – but they've also brought a bit of spark back.

    It's been in the form of him and Aidan Clarke and Seanie O'Donnell and Ciaran Daly that they've made any fist of staying in Division One.

    After almost three seasons of giving the 2021 team almost in its entirety chance after chance to redeem itself, they're about ready to move on with a crop that have All-Ireland U20 medals in their pocket from two years ago.

    But they also need to give their brilliant forwards a chance by offering them some kind of structure and not leaving them to their own devices, hoping they beat three men and kick one over from the sideline.

    Their league revival last year, where they won the last three to stay up against the odds, proved a false dawn.

    The win over Mayo wasn't convincing enough to suggest anything had changed. They brought a bit of life to Kerry and then next thing, they're 0-17 to 0-9 down again and enduring the same struggle.

    With Darragh Canavan developing into one of the country's best forwards, Darren McCurry showing signs, Cathal McShane and Mattie Donnelly on the way back, Tyrone have the attacking players to make a fist of summer.

    They just don't have the attacking shape.

    Cahair O'Kane
    Cahair O'Kane
    Cahair is a sports reporter and columnist with the Irish News specialising in Gaelic Games.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 08, 2024, 12:19:07 PM
    There's probably a fair bit of truth in that. The current management team deserve massive credit for taking Mickey's team, which had an awful lot of strengths but was unfortunately inhibited by micromanagement, and helping them believe in themselves in attack. It was the missing ingredient at the perfect time and it brought Sam in 2021. Dooher and Logan took the best of what Mickey left and moved it on slightly with more freedom. Not every manager could have pulled that off.

    Unfortunately pretty much everything since has suggested they aren't sure about how best to set out their own team. We've all too often looked like a rudderless ship, falling out of games for long periods and often, as the article suggests, relying on some individual brilliance to dig us out of a hole. I'd have favoured a change when the 3 year term was up. Given that didn't happen we really need to see real signs of progress in how the management are setting out what they have at their disposal. It's been good to see young players get their chance and do well, but we also run the risk of hindering their potential if it's not done properly. I'm certainly not expecting an AI this year but we need to see that we're on the right track at least. Jury is still out and a big few months ahead.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 13, 2024, 10:58:05 AM
    Didnt realise that Ben Cullen was still eligible to play for the U20s this year. Article in IN today. Thats incredible progress, as he didnt feature for the minors in the 2021 u17 final

    I do feel however that those players eligble for underage sides, should play with their own age group first and then hook up with the seniors second - a la Ruairi Canavan last year. In the past we've always been very clear as a county on this - i dont recall another player who essentially skipped a year at u20 or u21 to go straight to senior.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: laceer on March 13, 2024, 11:34:35 AM
    Does a screenshot of a ticketmaster ticket work to get into league matches or do you need the actual ticket on your phone?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 12:48:28 PM
    Quote from: laceer on March 13, 2024, 11:34:35 AMDoes a screenshot of a ticketmaster ticket work to get into league matches or do you need the actual ticket on your phone?

    Yes, 100% laceer
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 13, 2024, 01:44:56 PM
    Quote from: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 12:48:28 PM
    Quote from: laceer on March 13, 2024, 11:34:35 AMDoes a screenshot of a ticketmaster ticket work to get into league matches or do you need the actual ticket on your phone?

    Yes, 100% laceer

    Maybe I am confused but was there not a bit of an outcry a few weeks ago when this was stopped. It had to be original photo on your phone, not a screenshot sent to you from someone else

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the_daddy on March 13, 2024, 02:08:14 PM
    I'm told screenshots don't work at Croke Park because of the type of scanner they use but will be ok everywhere else
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 02:08:39 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 13, 2024, 01:44:56 PM
    Quote from: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 12:48:28 PM
    Quote from: laceer on March 13, 2024, 11:34:35 AMDoes a screenshot of a ticketmaster ticket work to get into league matches or do you need the actual ticket on your phone?

    Yes, 100% laceer

    Maybe I am confused but was there not a bit of an outcry a few weeks ago when this was stopped. It had to be original photo on your phone, not a screenshot sent to you from someone else



    It's just a QR code. I've been doing it (buying tickets for family and friends) since ticketmaster tix started and what sapping them their ticket , zero issues
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 13, 2024, 02:29:41 PM
    Quote from: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 02:08:39 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 13, 2024, 01:44:56 PM
    Quote from: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 12:48:28 PM
    Quote from: laceer on March 13, 2024, 11:34:35 AMDoes a screenshot of a ticketmaster ticket work to get into league matches or do you need the actual ticket on your phone?

    Yes, 100% laceer

    Maybe I am confused but was there not a bit of an outcry a few weeks ago when this was stopped. It had to be original photo on your phone, not a screenshot sent to you from someone else



    It's just a QR code. I've been doing it (buying tickets for family and friends) since ticketmaster tix started and what sapping them their ticket , zero issues

    So have I and everyone else but did Croke Park not release a statement a few weeks back regarding this.
    There was a bit of an outcry due to the issues it would cause supporters who are not up to date with modern day technology but maybe as a previous post says - it only relates to fixtures in HQ
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 02:38:10 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 13, 2024, 02:29:41 PM
    Quote from: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 02:08:39 PM
    Quote from: Mikhailov on March 13, 2024, 01:44:56 PM
    Quote from: JoG2 on March 13, 2024, 12:48:28 PM
    Quote from: laceer on March 13, 2024, 11:34:35 AMDoes a screenshot of a ticketmaster ticket work to get into league matches or do you need the actual ticket on your phone?

    Yes, 100% laceer

    Maybe I am confused but was there not a bit of an outcry a few weeks ago when this was stopped. It had to be original photo on your phone, not a screenshot sent to you from someone else



    It's just a QR code. I've been doing it (buying tickets for family and friends) since ticketmaster tix started and what sapping them their ticket , zero issues

    So have I and everyone else but did Croke Park not release a statement a few weeks back regarding this.
    There was a bit of an outcry due to the issues it would cause supporters who are not up to date with modern day technology but maybe as a previous post says - it only relates to fixtures in HQ

    Didn't see / read the statement. Must be recent alright, we scanned screenshots for games in Croke Park last year
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: laceer on March 13, 2024, 02:39:22 PM
    Thanks all.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 13, 2024, 04:00:06 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 13, 2024, 10:58:05 AMDidnt realise that Ben Cullen was still eligible to play for the U20s this year. Article in IN today. Thats incredible progress, as he didnt feature for the minors in the 2021 u17 final

    I do feel however that those players eligble for underage sides, should play with their own age group first and then hook up with the seniors second - a la Ruairi Canavan last year. In the past we've always been very clear as a county on this - i dont recall another player who essentially skipped a year at u20 or u21 to go straight to senior.
    Conor Clarke went from Minor to the Senior Squad before playing any U21 football.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tiempo on March 13, 2024, 04:11:02 PM
    Sean Cavanagh was on Art and Eugeue's senior team but couldn't make Mickeys U21 squad
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 13, 2024, 04:35:21 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on March 13, 2024, 04:11:02 PMSean Cavanagh was on Art and Eugeue's senior team but couldn't make Mickeys U21 squad

    I dont recall that at all. He made his senior debut in the championship as a sub V Armagh but as far as i recall he played with the U21s every game as well. He certainly played in the U21 final that year, v Dublin.
    The U21s always had first dibs on the players
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 13, 2024, 04:44:45 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 13, 2024, 04:00:06 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 13, 2024, 10:58:05 AMDidnt realise that Ben Cullen was still eligible to play for the U20s this year. Article in IN today. Thats incredible progress, as he didnt feature for the minors in the 2021 u17 final

    I do feel however that those players eligble for underage sides, should play with their own age group first and then hook up with the seniors second - a la Ruairi Canavan last year. In the past we've always been very clear as a county on this - i dont recall another player who essentially skipped a year at u20 or u21 to go straight to senior.
    Conor Clarke went from Minor to the Senior Squad before playing any U21 football.

    Thats an interesting one. He played for the U21s in 2012, weeks after he made his first senior appearance.

    My point stands though - underage coaches had first preference access to their players. Mickey Harte didnt select his U21s on the weekend before an U21 game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 13, 2024, 04:52:49 PM
    Changed times indeed.

    If I recall correctly, the great U21 sides of the early 90's had all played senior county championship before they exited u21 age grade - maybe bar 2/3 players.

    All were combining Tyrone senior and U21 and club football at that time but then again that was the norm until around 2000 when the extended county season (back door) started
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the onion bag on March 13, 2024, 08:25:30 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 13, 2024, 04:35:21 PM
    Quote from: tiempo on March 13, 2024, 04:11:02 PMSean Cavanagh was on Art and Eugeue's senior team but couldn't make Mickeys U21 squad

    I dont recall that at all. He made his senior debut in the championship as a sub V Armagh but as far as i recall he played with the U21s every game as well. He certainly played in the U21 final that year, v Dublin.
    The U21s always had first dibs on the players


    Cavanagh and Clarke would have been in both u21 and senior panels at the same time even though they may have played Senior first.
    Conor Gormley was probably the most blatant example of someone not playing u21 (or minor) before they made their senior debut. He wasn't in the All Ireland winning u21 squad in 2000 and made his senior debut that Autumn before the 2001 u21 panel was finalised. The talk at the time within Carrickmore was that if he hadn't been called up to the seniors in late 00 he wouldn't have been selected for the u21s in 01 but that's pure speculation.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
    Quote from: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

    Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

    I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 14, 2024, 09:55:45 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
    Quote from: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

    Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

    I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.

    Is he wrong though?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2024, 10:11:15 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 14, 2024, 09:55:45 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
    Quote from: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

    Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

    I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.

    Is he wrong though?
    Is he right? That's the thing about shooting from the sidelines. You don't put your ideas on the line to get tested. It's easier to hypothesis a reason for a failing that won't be tested than to implement a solution.
     And I say this as no major fan of Dooher either.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on March 14, 2024, 10:24:46 AM
    What exactly are people expecting from sports journalists?

    Should only successful former players/managers be able to offer an opinion?

    I for one can't wait to see every column filled by Pat Spillane lamenting the death of 'real football' every week and offering tactical insight of x team need to kick in high balls.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: the_daddy on March 14, 2024, 10:45:03 AM
    He's right about relying on the individual brilliance of Canavan and McCurry rather than having an identifiable plan in attack. Saturday night will tell the tale when the third lowest goal scoring team in the country plays against the defence that has conceded the most goals to date in the league.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on March 14, 2024, 11:36:24 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2024, 10:11:15 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 14, 2024, 09:55:45 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
    Quote from: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

    Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

    I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.

    Is he wrong though?
    Is he right? That's the thing about shooting from the sidelines. You don't put your ideas on the line to get tested. It's easier to hypothesis a reason for a failing that won't be tested than to implement a solution.
     And I say this as no major fan of Dooher either.

    Is the argument then that sports journalism should be discontinued? That they shouldn't be allowed to critique management/tactics? Or that they can only do so on the condition that journliasts must be either former or current managers with a proven track record of success?

    As far as I'm concerned, you don't need to be a sports journalist to see that Tyrone, tactically, are lagging behind the top teams. The problems that Cahair O'Kane spoke about are the exact same things that you hear Peter Canavan saying in his TV analysis during every Tyrone game this year to date. His frustration at the lack of support for Darragh in particular is very evident every day he's on punditry duty (although he's typically diplomatic about it). Is it OK for Peter to say it, but not a journalist, even though they are both stating the absolutely blindingly obvious?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2024, 05:21:31 PM
    Quote from: Snapchap on March 14, 2024, 11:36:24 AM
    Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 14, 2024, 10:11:15 AM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 14, 2024, 09:55:45 AM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
    Quote from: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

    Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

    I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.

    Is he wrong though?
    Is he right? That's the thing about shooting from the sidelines. You don't put your ideas on the line to get tested. It's easier to hypothesis a reason for a failing that won't be tested than to implement a solution.
     And I say this as no major fan of Dooher either.

    Is the argument then that sports journalism should be discontinued? That they shouldn't be allowed to critique management/tactics? Or that they can only do so on the condition that journliasts must be either former or current managers with a proven track record of success?

    As far as I'm concerned, you don't need to be a sports journalist to see that Tyrone, tactically, are lagging behind the top teams. The problems that Cahair O'Kane spoke about are the exact same things that you hear Peter Canavan saying in his TV analysis during every Tyrone game this year to date. His frustration at the lack of support for Darragh in particular is very evident every day he's on punditry duty (although he's typically diplomatic about it). Is it OK for Peter to say it, but not a journalist, even though they are both stating the absolutely blindingly obvious?
    Don't think anyone is saying sports journalism should be discontinued. But neither should it be blindly followed or assumed to be correct. There's a balance and I actually think Cahir is one of the better ones around. But as I stated it's much easier to hypothesise the problems when you're not required to implement a plan. You're never really going to be proven wrong. Shouldn't stop him writing pieces as everyone's got an opinion.
    I actually believe our problems lie more with the half back and half forward lines. Some of that is due to injuries to the likes of Meyler, oneill, Donnelly etc. plus I personally don't believe we do have the squad to challenge Dublin/ Kerry at the minute no matter what way we set up. I look at the Derry squad even and think it's a much more rounded squad than ours as well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:18:55 PM
    Why not just pay an experienced ex county player or manager to write a piece?

    At least they have experience in county football and would offer a more informed opinion that someone who has qualified in journalism and has an interest in GAA
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: marty34 on March 14, 2024, 07:34:13 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:18:55 PMWhy not just pay an experienced ex county player or manager to write a piece?

    At least they have experience in county football and would offer a more informed opinion that someone who has qualified in journalism and has an interest in GAA

    Everybody has an opinion. Thing is as long as they can back it up with detail.  I don't mind that.

    Just because somebody has won an All-Irelnd doesn't mean they can write a goid piece.  It's a mixture of both for me.

    Read the articles and move on.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: JoG2 on March 14, 2024, 07:36:05 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:18:55 PMWhy not just pay an experienced ex county player or manager to write a piece?

    At least they have experience in county football and would offer a more informed opinion that someone who has qualified in journalism and has an interest in GAA

    Jim Bob, you're taking this article very badly. Should papers just do away with professional journalists? Cahair lives and breathes football, he definitely knows his stuff, but it's just his opinion at the end of the day. You don't have to like it, but no need to dismiss the views because an intercounty player / manager didn't write it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: imtommygunn on March 14, 2024, 08:12:28 PM
    Also I think he's right. Tyrone should be getting better but it doesn't look like current management are getting them going in that direction. I was surprised they got another term.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on March 14, 2024, 09:33:13 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
    Quote from: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

    Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

    I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.

    Quintuple all Ireland winner, inc his 2 management wins tbf   ;)
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Derryman forever on March 15, 2024, 08:16:17 AM
    The fact,so many of you are exercised by his article,shows that  he is doing what he is paid to do. And doing it well.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 15, 2024, 09:27:09 AM
    Well, I have no problem saying our managers are not at the level to built our team to All Ireland level. They inherited a team that Mickey Harte built, a team that had been to an a final 2 seasons before and the addition of a couple of forwards helped. What they did do was take the defensive shackles off that team, and for that they deserve credit and our respect. The team was able to express themselves and the result was an All Ireland.

    However building a team on solid defensive and attacking principles is a different thing.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on March 15, 2024, 09:39:21 AM
    Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 15, 2024, 09:27:09 AMWell, I have no problem saying our managers are not at the level to built our team to All Ireland level. They inherited a team that Mickey Harte built, a team that had been to an a final 2 seasons before and the addition of a couple of forwards helped. What they did do was take the defensive shackles off that team, and for that they deserve credit and our respect. The team was able to express themselves and the result was an All Ireland.

    However building a team on solid defensive and attacking principles is a different thing.
    They pushed on a team that Mickey Harte was holding back and have lost a lot of key players since while others best years are behind them. For that they deserve great credit and a new team doesn't materialise overnight...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: MC on March 15, 2024, 10:14:09 AM
    That team that Harte was 'holding back' were beaten by Dublin in the semi-finals in 2017; beaten by Dublin in the final in 2018; and beaten by Kerry in the semi-final in 2019 - and after a Covid disrupted championship in 2020 won a final in 2021. I've no problem with a change in manager but do people really think Tyrone lost out on 3 AIs they would or should have won with a different manager? I hope Tyrone are 'held back' this year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on March 15, 2024, 11:13:04 AM
    Quote from: MC on March 15, 2024, 10:14:09 AMThat team that Harte was 'holding back' were beaten by Dublin in the semi-finals in 2017; beaten by Dublin in the final in 2018; and beaten by Kerry in the semi-final in 2019 - and after a Covid disrupted championship in 2020 won a final in 2021. I've no problem with a change in manager but do people really think Tyrone lost out on 3 AIs they would or should have won with a different manager? I hope Tyrone are 'held back' this year.
    That's it... didn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship since 2008.. the two lads came in and with Peter Donnelly, who had left previous set-up, beat Kerry and Mayo and Sam's yer man!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: LeoMc on March 15, 2024, 12:08:01 PM
    Tyrone became more attacking when they had McKenna & McShane available and in form. Not so much when they lost those 2.
    Harte was a big part of having them both on this side of the World.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: imtommygunn on March 15, 2024, 12:10:31 PM
    Quote from: Truthsayer on March 15, 2024, 11:13:04 AM
    Quote from: MC on March 15, 2024, 10:14:09 AMThat team that Harte was 'holding back' were beaten by Dublin in the semi-finals in 2017; beaten by Dublin in the final in 2018; and beaten by Kerry in the semi-final in 2019 - and after a Covid disrupted championship in 2020 won a final in 2021. I've no problem with a change in manager but do people really think Tyrone lost out on 3 AIs they would or should have won with a different manager? I hope Tyrone are 'held back' this year.
    That's it... didn't beat Dublin, Kerry or Mayo in the championship since 2008.. the two lads came in and with Peter Donnelly, who had left previous set-up, beat Kerry and Mayo and Sam's yer man!

    Mayo are a different beast in a final though. All the other games against Mayo were before the final.

    How big a loss is McKenna to that team?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: MC on March 15, 2024, 01:40:39 PM
    I'd say you could only really gripe about 2012 and 2014 as poor years.
    ...didn't beat Dublin - that was the entire country for eight of those years!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on March 15, 2024, 01:50:37 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
    Quote from: time ticking away on March 05, 2024, 08:33:40 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 08:11:11 AM
    Quote from: Jerome on March 05, 2024, 08:01:04 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

    He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

    That might well be the case.

    Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

    Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

    I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.

    This is standard confirmation bias on GAA reporting (annoying but par for the course) e.g, when Donegal where flying high '11-'16 suddenly that gobshite Devenney was on everything going spouting word salad on defensive systems, now that Derry are going well a Derry journalist is has by default more sway in analysing what Tyrone (and other teams) is doing wrong, he is a journalist re-writing what he is hearing in the stands and press box.

    In general the standard of reporting, analysis and use of BS 'Statistics' to validate argument is so so poor in football atm, but I suppose you get that with the extra coverage its getting which has never been better, swings and roundabouts
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 16, 2024, 05:33:21 PM
    Many heading tonight? Any word on mattie Donnelly as not named on the panel
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on March 16, 2024, 06:48:59 PM
    Quote from: JoG2 on March 14, 2024, 07:36:05 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:18:55 PMWhy not just pay an experienced ex county player or manager to write a piece?

    At least they have experience in county football and would offer a more informed opinion that someone who has qualified in journalism and has an interest in GAA

    Jim Bob, you're taking this article very badly. Should papers just do away with professional journalists? Cahair lives and breathes football, he definitely knows his stuff, but it's just his opinion at the end of the day. You don't have to like it, but no need to dismiss the views because an intercounty player / manager didn't write it.

    Well I'm not sitting in the corner crying my eyes out over it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Twobounces on March 16, 2024, 10:33:17 PM
    Is Healy Park the worse standard of a pitch for a county ground? State of the pith tonight was a joke but this has been ongoing for years. Was there not work done to the pitch recently or is work meant to be done on it.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 16, 2024, 10:43:48 PM
    Worked hard for those points tonight. When the game was in the melting pot I worried about the inexperience of  the side but this will stand to them. They came through it, albeit with Morgan, McCurry and Canavan driving them home. Still a work in progress.

    The minutes will do McShane good. Don't think those conditions suit his game. McGeary was busy in the first half and seemed to be getting some form back. Kilpatrick, Harte and McKernan were a loss.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 16, 2024, 11:17:08 PM
    Some thoughts

    Devlin in the corner looks tidy. Clarke also worked a good ball out when he came on at the end. Not sure on Quinn at this level.

    Hampsey off the pace throughout and m likely hampered by injury

    Cullen another decent showing. McGeary also looked to have a bit of drive about him.

    Donaghy at midfield has good potential and gets his head up for pass

    McShane movement sharp but for sure struggled with the back and forward running after being out so long

    Great to win this type of game





    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 17, 2024, 11:43:31 AM
    A good league campaign, should stay in Div 1 - blooded a lot of new players, got some of the older players game time. If they can get a full squad available it's a group capable of winning an All Ireland.
    They had some serious players missing last night - Hampsey,McGeary,  Kennedy, off the pitch in the last ten mins with the likes of McKernan, Harte, Kilpatrick all out along with the other longer terms such as Meyler and Burns. If they could get everyone back in the next few weeks - would be a very strong squad
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on March 17, 2024, 03:19:33 PM
    Kerry beat Roscommon.. thats Tyrone safe now. Next week's trip to Croke Park a dead rubber. Well done management and players. Critics and Harte disciples will have to hold fire until championship...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyroneman on March 17, 2024, 05:38:21 PM
    Really positive staying in Div 1 with such a turnover of players.

    God jr snr living up to the hype God jr jr hopefully not far behind.

    McShane back and Mattie there as well, great to see.

    Some of the younger players did very well and if not starting certainly offer options from the bench.

    Just wonder how much the lack of having a settled starting 15 play together will hinder the team. Would expect they need 2-3 games to click, which they won't have in Ulster.

    Still....Happy with all that so far.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 19, 2024, 09:58:55 AM
    Will the Omagh pitch be fit to hold the U20 game tomorrow night? surely there must be some consideration to switching venue
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: inroundthesquare on March 20, 2024, 01:38:08 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 19, 2024, 09:58:55 AMWill the Omagh pitch be fit to hold the U20 game tomorrow night? surely there must be some consideration to switching venue

    Moved to the Dub
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 20, 2024, 03:11:52 PM
    Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 20, 2024, 01:38:08 PM
    Quote from: God14 on March 19, 2024, 09:58:55 AMWill the Omagh pitch be fit to hold the U20 game tomorrow night? surely there must be some consideration to switching venue

    Moved to the Dub

    Could we not have hosted this in Garvaghey, Coalisland or Stewartstown?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Delgany 2nds on March 20, 2024, 08:07:43 PM
    Down leading by 5 HT
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Delgany 2nds on March 20, 2024, 09:22:49 PM
    Quote from: Delgany 2nds on March 20, 2024, 08:07:43 PMDown leading by 5 HT
    Tyrone squandered some amount of chances to finish level at FT
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 21, 2024, 09:08:07 AM
    Quote from: Delgany 2nds on March 20, 2024, 09:22:49 PM
    Quote from: Delgany 2nds on March 20, 2024, 08:07:43 PMDown leading by 5 HT
    Tyrone squandered some amount of chances to finish level at FT
    Result and performance would be concerning considering the amount of talent at their disposal, particularly forward talent.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 21, 2024, 09:12:06 AM
    https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/hogan-cup-hero-daly-completes-tyrone-comeback-to-reel-in-defending-champions-down-BFXU5JL5SZFDZHNGSOKI52BE5E/

    Hogan Cup hero Callum Daly completes Tyrone comeback to reel in defending champions Down
    Red Hands come from six behind as Mournemen U20s remain winless after two games

    EirGrid Ulster U20 Football Championship Section A: Tyrone 0-11 Down 1-8
    DEFENDING champions Down are still without a win in the current Ulster U20 Championship campaign after Tyrone came from six points behind to earn a draw at the Dub last night.

    Hogan Cup winning captain Callum Daly came off the bench to grab a stoppage-time leveller for the Red Hands as they finally found a way to break down a packed defence.

    Down dropped 15 men into their own half, repeatedly thwarting their opponents throughout the first half, and picking off scores on the breakaway.

    Dara Mussen and Jamie Doran registered the only points of a low-scoring opening quarter, as the Mournemen led by 0-2 to 0-1, before Oisin Gormley finally got Tyrone off the mark in the 17th minute.

    Doran was on target with his second long-range free, and with Ronan Kelly and Tom McCarroll leading the Down charge with their strong running, they continued to raid from deep.

    With composure in possession, they crafted another score through Senan Carr, and despite losing full-back David Ruddy to a black card, grabbed a goal with another swift breakaway, finished on 26 minutes by Donal Scullion, to lead by 1-4 to 0-2 at the break.

    The Red Hands closed the gap through Ronan Cassidy and Conor Owens (2), but remained vulnerable on the break, with Luke Quinn racing clear for another Down score.

    But their six-point lead had been trimmed back to two by the end of the third quarter, and Cormac Devlin made it a one-point game.

    Doran kept the Mourne side in front, but late points from Conor Owens and Daly tied it up, though Tyrone will reflect on their wides count of 17, against Down's sole miss.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: clarshack on March 22, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
    That group of players kicked themselves out of the All-Ireland Minor Final in 2021 as well. Looks like it's something they really need to improve on.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 22, 2024, 10:46:27 AM
    Quote from: clarshack on March 22, 2024, 10:39:26 AMThat group of players kicked themselves out of the All-Ireland Minor Final in 2021 as well. Looks like it's something they really need to improve on.

    Is Ruari McHugh injured?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 22, 2024, 02:07:04 PM
    Looking forward to Croker on Sunday. This will be a test but with it being the last match before championship then we must use it for real benefit.

    Darragh v Conn and Dazzler v Mannion

    Looking for another good performance to back up last week - if we can get consistency then that will be a massive plus to our game
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 22, 2024, 11:00:09 PM
    Depends on how Dooher views the game.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on March 24, 2024, 10:33:20 AM
    Will game be shown anywhere? Like would it be on a stick for example...
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: RedHand88 on March 24, 2024, 03:30:24 PM
    Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on March 24, 2024, 10:33:20 AMWill game be shown anywhere? Like would it be on a stick for example...

    Hopefully not.

    Can anyone who was there report how bad it was? Did we get it wrong on the line or are the players just not anywhere near the level needed?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on March 24, 2024, 03:33:33 PM
    Absolute disgrace that performance today.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: skeog on March 24, 2024, 04:16:04 PM
    Settle remember the last tanking won Sam.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 24, 2024, 04:27:00 PM
    Horrible performance. Tyrone were very very slow. Dublin kicks out were lighting, dublin kicks outs were up to midfield immediately. Dubs were far stronger and fitter. Every time they got the ball they had 2-3 yards before any tyrone man got close to them.

    Huge number of wides from very scoreable positions again today. 6 points in first 47mins. What the hell is going on in training as based on today it looked like they had zero plans
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Aaron Boone on March 24, 2024, 04:35:15 PM
    The theme running through the League has been the wides.

    Dubs intensity was at a way higher level today. We remain in same division as them for next season.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: red hander on March 24, 2024, 04:38:22 PM
    Quote from: skeog on March 24, 2024, 04:16:04 PMSettle remember the last tanking won Sam.

    Just thinking that myself.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: tyrone08 on March 24, 2024, 04:44:31 PM
    Quote from: red hander on March 24, 2024, 04:38:22 PM
    Quote from: skeog on March 24, 2024, 04:16:04 PMSettle remember the last tanking won Sam.

    Just thinking that myself.

    Wouldnt be thinking that. Panel is no where near as experienced as 2021 and out most experienced men are all over 30
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 24, 2024, 04:47:20 PM
    Some serious hammerings been taken in recent years. Set up of team but caught out way too often
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on March 24, 2024, 05:19:38 PM
    Can anyone remember a worse hammering? That Kerry match was a 16 point defeat.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 05:39:09 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on March 24, 2024, 05:19:38 PMCan anyone remember a worse hammering? That Kerry match was a 16 point defeat.
    Worst I remember and I go back a bit! Same time was fairly much a dead rubber for Tyrone and a rake of players out while Dublin needed the win.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on March 24, 2024, 06:08:02 PM
    Quote from: skeog on March 24, 2024, 04:16:04 PMSettle remember the last tanking won Sam.

    Away with that shite. A division 4 team wouldn't have taken that big of a beating. Should Dooher resign?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 24, 2024, 06:29:05 PM
    Quote from: tyrone08 on March 24, 2024, 04:27:00 PMHorrible performance. Tyrone were very very slow. Dublin kicks out were lighting, dublin kicks outs were up to midfield immediately. Dubs were far stronger and fitter. Every time they got the ball they had 2-3 yards before any tyrone man got close to them.

    Huge number of wides from very scoreable positions again today. 6 points in first 47mins. What the hell is going on in training as based on today it looked like they had zero plans


    This is the ongoing worry - I'm not sure we've had a coherent plan or system since 2021. It's been heartening to see so many young players come through in the league and do well. Ultimately the target of survival and blooding new players was achieved, but again left wondering how much of that was down to the quality of the players pulling Tyrone through rather than the way they were set out.

    Absolutely crucial that we see real progress in that respect over the Championship, otherwise need to be seriously looking at a change in management to bring through the new generation.

    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 06:50:31 PM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on March 24, 2024, 06:08:02 PM
    Quote from: skeog on March 24, 2024, 04:16:04 PMSettle remember the last tanking won Sam.

    Away with that shite. A division 4 team wouldn't have taken that big of a beating. Should Dooher resign?
    4 weeks before the championship... no.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: sam03/05 on March 24, 2024, 07:57:58 PM
    Playing a full strength Dublin team
    With no
    Hampsey
    McKernan
    Harte
    Cormac Quinn
    Meyler
    Burns
    Kilpatrick
    Darragh Canavan
    O'Donnell
    Ciaran Daly ( one of our best players this season)
    Is pretty much football death wish
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: easty88 on March 24, 2024, 08:00:42 PM
    Quote from: ONeill on March 24, 2024, 05:19:38 PMCan anyone remember a worse hammering? That Kerry match was a 16 point defeat.

    Things can only get bettr
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 24, 2024, 08:30:14 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 24, 2024, 07:57:58 PMPlaying a full strength Dublin team
    With no
    Hampsey
    McKernan
    Harte
    Cormac Quinn
    Meyler
    Burns
    Kilpatrick
    Darragh Canavan
    O'Donnell
    Ciaran Daly ( one of our best players this season)
    Is pretty much football death wish
    [/quote}

    Dublin, full strength - are you having a laugh? 

    Missing the following;

    Cluxton
    Davy Byrne
    Michael Fitzsimmons
    James McCarthy
    John Small
    Lee Gannon
    Paddy Small
    Cormac Costello
    Paul Mannion

    Everyone of the above started last years All Ireland final
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: square_ball on March 24, 2024, 08:37:57 PM
    Quote from: sam03/05 on March 24, 2024, 07:57:58 PMPlaying a full strength Dublin team
    With no
    Hampsey
    McKernan
    Harte
    Cormac Quinn
    Meyler
    Burns
    Kilpatrick
    Darragh Canavan
    O'Donnell
    Ciaran Daly ( one of our best players this season)
    Is pretty much football death wish

    Yeah Dublin at full strength apart from Cluxton, Fitzsimons, John Small, Gannon, McCarthy, Paddy Small, Costello, McCaffrey, Bulger and Mannion only got the last 20 minutes.

    Apart from Morgan and a bit of credit for R Canavan for plugging away despite hitting a right few wides, no one came out of that looking well today. A few probably played their last bit of football for the year for Tyrone.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Quarterbackk on March 24, 2024, 08:46:39 PM
    A reality check today. Great learning for the young lads. However we have better lads not playing for dooher than playing for him.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 24, 2024, 09:49:17 PM
    The experienced heads that dropped off the panel have been missed massively over the last couple of years.

    The lads can either give up or learn from this and raise their level over the years to come
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: BennyHarp on March 24, 2024, 11:15:53 PM
    I read earlier that this was the first time Tyrone have lost a match by over 20 points since 1950. That's a pretty damning stat. There can be no excuses for that performance at this level.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: shawshank on March 25, 2024, 09:45:33 AM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on March 24, 2024, 09:49:17 PMThe experienced heads that dropped off the panel have been missed massively over the last couple of years.

    The lads can either give up or learn from this and raise their level over the years to come

    there is no learning in a stuffing like that other then the psychological superiority grip the opposition have over you.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 25, 2024, 09:57:34 AM
    Absolute shambles yesterday, i think we all expected to lose as it was a fairly nothing game for us, and some lads on the bench deserved minutes... but the manner of  the defeat is hard to stomach

    In reality, Dublin have a resource pool so much greater than ours that they can deal with 7 or 8 established men missing so much better than we can.

    I understand our management decided not to ask any player back onto the panel, whom had previously walked away. Hopefully they will find the humility to pick up the phone to the likes of Rory Brennan, Peter Teague, Mark Bradley. We need an injection of experience and quality now. The likes of Meyler, Burns etc will not get back up to the pace of the game between now and season end so we are simply too far stretched

    The defending for some of the goals yesterday beggers belief. You would have to question whats going on in Garvaghy.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 25, 2024, 10:19:48 AM
    Quote from: God14 on March 25, 2024, 09:57:34 AMAbsolute shambles yesterday, i think we all expected to lose as it was a fairly nothing game for us, and some lads on the bench deserved minutes... but the manner of  the defeat is hard to stomach

    In reality, Dublin have a resource pool so much greater than ours that they can deal with 7 or 8 established men missing so much better than we can.

    I understand our management decided not to ask any player back onto the panel, whom had previously walked away. Hopefully they will find the humility to pick up the phone to the likes of Rory Brennan, Peter Teague, Mark Bradley. We need an injection of experience and quality now. The likes of Meyler, Burns etc will not get back up to the pace of the game between now and season end so we are simply too far stretched

    The defending for some of the goals yesterday beggers belief. You would have to question whats going on in Garvaghy.

    For training alone surely some more experience is required. Tiernan McCann, Paul Donaghy, Padraig McNulty would all offer something as well to the younger lads but old ground at this stage. The half forward line back all needs serious work to avoid hammerings later in the year like Kerry last year.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: aqua_allsorts on March 25, 2024, 10:20:10 AM
    Bit unfair on the likes of McGarrity, Cush, McCarron to throw them into the deep end like that and expect them to perform? We were always going to be up against it in fairness with a Dublin team gunning for a league final.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 25, 2024, 12:48:03 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 09, 2024, 12:13:09 PMAn Ulster University side backboned by Tyrone players have qualified for the Sigerson Cup final with a 1-13 to 0-11 victory over Maynooth tonight. Darragh and Ruairi Canavan, Ciaran Daly, Conor Cush, Peter Og McCartan, Oisin McCann and Steve Donaghy started for Ulster University while Dara Curran, Adam Donaghy, Eoin Montgomery, James Quinn, Harry Morgan and second-half sub Danny Fullerton were named on the bench.

    Oisin McCann for me stood out. Surely worth a go on the County panel, has the physical size and is full of talent. If he got a run with the county I think he would turn into a top player.
    I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.
    Best thing for Conor Cush would be to release him back and let him have a full season with Donaghmore. Was fast tracked too soon after the 2022 U20 win, has done him no favours longer term. Good season with his club would surely help.
    Nathan McCarron another who would probably benefit from being released back to his club, two games this year and hooked at half time in both. Wouldn't be good for confidence.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on March 25, 2024, 01:29:06 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 25, 2024, 12:48:03 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 09, 2024, 12:13:09 PMAn Ulster University side backboned by Tyrone players have qualified for the Sigerson Cup final with a 1-13 to 0-11 victory over Maynooth tonight. Darragh and Ruairi Canavan, Ciaran Daly, Conor Cush, Peter Og McCartan, Oisin McCann and Steve Donaghy started for Ulster University while Dara Curran, Adam Donaghy, Eoin Montgomery, James Quinn, Harry Morgan and second-half sub Danny Fullerton were named on the bench.

    Oisin McCann for me stood out. Surely worth a go on the County panel, has the physical size and is full of talent. If he got a run with the county I think he would turn into a top player.
    I remain unconvinced by Conor Cush, I am not sure if he is cut out for the top level.
    Best thing for Conor Cush would be to release him back and let him have a full season with Donaghmore. Was fast tracked too soon after the 2022 U20 win, has done him no favours longer term. Good season with his club would surely help.
    Nathan McCarron another who would probably benefit from being released back to his club, two games this year and hooked at half time in both. Wouldn't be good for confidence.

    Normally I would disagree on this and tell players to stick it out at county squad level and wait on your opportunity.
    However, Cush from what I am told missed all of last year club season due to a foot injury (only played 2/3 games)so maybe it is best to go back to the club in his case as he needs as much football as he can get.
    As someone stated earlier, it was a baptism of fire for the 3 new younger lads starting yesterday but this is the level they are at now
    Yesterday must have been devastating if you were playing in our defence up against a rampant Dublin team.
    Will be interesting to see how Derry cope next weekend
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: samuel maguire on March 26, 2024, 10:56:40 AM
    Quote from: samuel maguire on March 04, 2024, 02:19:35 PMHaving watched every Tyrone game this year i can't say i have been overly impressed by any of their new finds. Honestly.
    In saying that, they haven't done poorly or bad, but just much of the same of what already is/has been there before. I don't see any real game changers there or someone to grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Seanie O'Donnell probably the stand out for his work rate alone

    BUMP!!!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Tyrone11234 on March 26, 2024, 04:45:10 PM
    Who is Tyrone minor manager this year ?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on March 26, 2024, 05:46:59 PM
    Quote from: Tyrone11234 on March 26, 2024, 04:45:10 PMWho is Tyrone minor manager this year ?
    The same lad... yer man Gerry from Stewartstown
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on March 26, 2024, 05:51:20 PM
    Gerry Stewart
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on March 26, 2024, 05:56:24 PM
    Gerry Donnelly
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on March 26, 2024, 09:06:31 PM
    Anyone any idea with how long Meyler, Mckernan and burns are off?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: nrico2006 on March 31, 2024, 10:03:12 AM
    What's this year's minor side like?  Saw they lost a shield final yesterday to Armagh. No hopes for honours this tear?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: easty88 on April 04, 2024, 10:43:10 AM
    Quote from: nrico2006 on March 31, 2024, 10:03:12 AMWhat's this year's minor side like?  Saw they lost a shield final yesterday to Armagh. No hopes for honours this tear?

    We got to the final of the Ulster U16 competition last yr so we wont be far away youd imagine.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on April 04, 2024, 11:27:08 AM
    another player walks away from senior panel?..
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 04, 2024, 11:56:09 AM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on April 04, 2024, 11:27:08 AManother player walks away from senior panel?..

    Who?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on April 04, 2024, 12:11:51 PM
    Fs... any good news lads?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Snapchap on April 04, 2024, 01:34:03 PM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on April 04, 2024, 11:27:08 AManother player walks away from senior panel?..

    Make sure and don't mention the name anyway  ::)

    What is the point in posts like that?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Ancharraig123 on April 04, 2024, 01:36:41 PM
    Been mentioned to me two or three times M McGleenan
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 04, 2024, 04:29:42 PM
    Disappointing but I am sure he was disappointed not to get game time v Dublin
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Mikhailov on April 04, 2024, 04:43:23 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 04, 2024, 04:29:42 PMDisappointing but I am sure he was disappointed not to get game time v Dublin

    There are probably 20 players who wish they didn't get any game time v Dublin!!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: GlenMan on April 04, 2024, 05:27:48 PM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on April 04, 2024, 01:36:41 PMBeen mentioned to me two or three times M McGleenan


    McGleenan and Dd Mulgrew both away
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Scoring Zone on April 04, 2024, 07:19:26 PM
    Quote from: GlenMan on April 04, 2024, 05:27:48 PM
    Quote from: Ancharraig123 on April 04, 2024, 01:36:41 PMBeen mentioned to me two or three times M McGleenan


    McGleenan and Dd Mulgrew both away

    No real loss either way, McGleenan didn't look anywhere near mobile/athletic/good enough and Mulgrew didn't take the hint the previous years that he was not up to it
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: easty88 on April 05, 2024, 01:22:34 PM
    Our noisy neighbours looked impressive in Croke Park at the weekend. I was impressed. They seem to have their house in order the past 4/5 years and now have eyes firmly fixed on the big prize. Can we make any impact on Ulster and the Sam Maguire challenge this year? I think we still could have a say!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: thebigfullforward on April 05, 2024, 01:42:39 PM
    Quote from: easty88 on April 05, 2024, 01:22:34 PMOur noisy neighbours looked impressive in Croke Park at the weekend. I was impressed. They seem to have their house in order the past 4/5 years and now have eyes firmly fixed on the big prize. Can we make any impact on Ulster and the Sam Maguire challenge this year? I think we still could have a say!
    Dont think we have the athleticism or squad depth to match the top 3. Derry and Dublin have the squad depth, footballing abiltiy and athleticism required and any team that has David and Paudie Clifford in it will always be in up there in contention. Those 3 teams are just ahead of everyone else at the momement
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: An Watcher on April 05, 2024, 02:45:09 PM
    Derry and squad depth don't go together.  They didn't have it last year and I know MH has tried to rectify it this year but let's see how they cope with an injury to one of their big midfielders or mcguigan.  Not convinced at the moment
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on April 06, 2024, 07:10:38 PM
    That quiz question: who was first player to score for Tyrone in Croke Park: Ans: Tom Sullivan, a point, in 1947 All Ireland minor final (semi-final was in Dundalk).
    Was also Tyrone's first All Ireland title: beat Mayo 4-4 to 4-3.
    Tom from Coalisland passed away this morning. He was 93 or so.
    Tom Sullivan RIP 🙏
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: ONeill on April 06, 2024, 10:16:31 PM
    Sorry to hear that. Tom was Coalisland for a long time.

    Great stat.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Rois on April 09, 2024, 01:00:54 PM
    Club Tyrone annual members' night next Thursday 18th at Garvaghey.

    We have a good panel lined up for a chat, including a Derry man!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 09, 2024, 06:48:56 PM
    Quote from: Rois on April 09, 2024, 01:00:54 PMClub Tyrone annual members' night next Thursday 18th at Garvaghey.

    We have a good panel lined up for a chat, including a Derry man!

    I bet ye Peter Canavan will be on that panel
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Derryman forever on April 09, 2024, 07:31:16 PM
    Quote from: Rois on April 09, 2024, 01:00:54 PMClub Tyrone annual members' night next Thursday 18th at Garvaghey.

    We have a good panel lined up for a chat, including a Derry man!


    I haven't been invited.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Rois on April 09, 2024, 08:03:06 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on April 09, 2024, 06:48:56 PM
    Quote from: Rois on April 09, 2024, 01:00:54 PMClub Tyrone annual members' night next Thursday 18th at Garvaghey.

    We have a good panel lined up for a chat, including a Derry man!

    I bet ye Peter Canavan will be on that panel
    Nope
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Jim Bob on April 09, 2024, 09:24:46 PM
    Quote from: Rois on April 09, 2024, 08:03:06 PM
    Quote from: Jim Bob on April 09, 2024, 06:48:56 PM
    Quote from: Rois on April 09, 2024, 01:00:54 PMClub Tyrone annual members' night next Thursday 18th at Garvaghey.

    We have a good panel lined up for a chat, including a Derry man!

    I bet ye Peter Canavan will be on that panel
    Nope

    He ll not like that or maybe he's across the road getting the grub ready for the Club Tyronners
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: easty88 on April 10, 2024, 10:23:58 PM
    Nipped over to the island tonight to watch the U20s play. Monaghan had a weakened team on but still I thought Tyrone were excellent on a tough night conditions wise. Be nice to see this team go all the way. I think they can!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 10, 2024, 10:30:39 PM
    Quote from: easty88 on April 10, 2024, 10:23:58 PMNipped over to the island tonight to watch the U20s play. Monaghan had a weakened team on but still I thought Tyrone were excellent on a tough night conditions wise. Be nice to see this team go all the way. I think they can!
    Monaghan played the second string tonight as they had nothing to play for. Couldn't get top spot and had their Quarter Final berth secured.
    Tyrone still impressive in awful conditions. Defence very much on top and littered with outstanding talents and Callum Daly anchors the whole thing really well. Tyrone's squad men definetly put their hands up for selection going forward. Some wealth of options in having Ruairi McCullagh and Noah Grimes putting pressure on that starting forward line.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: NotedObserver on April 10, 2024, 10:40:34 PM
    Daly a class act and the half back line would be fairly strong as well with all impressing tonight. Ohare electric pace which is hard to handle at any level
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: easty88 on April 10, 2024, 11:45:04 PM
    Yeah. The Omagh CBS lads look very impressive. Savvy move of Paul to bring McNulty in there with his knowledge of those players. This same team should've walked the all-Ireland at minor level and would be nice for them to put that right. Derry look like main threat in Ulster to me.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Dark_Arts_Master on April 10, 2024, 11:48:39 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 10, 2024, 10:40:34 PMDaly a class act and the half back line would be fairly strong as well with all impressing tonight. Ohare electric pace which is hard to handle at any level

    Brolly & O'Hare always willing runners on the wing. Rafferty quality through the centre. Gormley will be a major loss if injury keeps himon the sidelines going into the knockout rounds. MCCullagh McCann & Grimes off the bench are quality assets to have
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: God14 on April 11, 2024, 06:17:53 AM
    Whats the story with Ruari McHugh missing?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2024, 09:32:34 AM
    Quote from: Dark_Arts_Master on April 10, 2024, 11:48:39 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 10, 2024, 10:40:34 PMDaly a class act and the half back line would be fairly strong as well with all impressing tonight. Ohare electric pace which is hard to handle at any level

    Brolly & O'Hare always willing runners on the wing. Rafferty quality through the centre. Gormley will be a major loss if injury keeps himon the sidelines going into the knockout rounds. MCCullagh McCann & Grimes off the bench are quality assets to have
    Under 20 season over for him by all accounts. McHugh probably come back into the middle and O'Neill or McCann probably fill the role that Gormley was playing.
    Probably leave the team looking like:
    McAneney
    Clarke Hughes Devlin
    O'Hare Daly Rafferty
    McHugh O'Neill/Fox
    Devlin/Brolly McElholm Potter
    Owens Cassidy O'Neill/McCann
    And that still leaves McCullagh and Grimes and the men who don't get the nod.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on April 11, 2024, 09:47:55 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2024, 09:32:34 AM
    Quote from: Dark_Arts_Master on April 10, 2024, 11:48:39 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 10, 2024, 10:40:34 PMDaly a class act and the half back line would be fairly strong as well with all impressing tonight. Ohare electric pace which is hard to handle at any level

    Brolly & O'Hare always willing runners on the wing. Rafferty quality through the centre. Gormley will be a major loss if injury keeps himon the sidelines going into the knockout rounds. MCCullagh McCann & Grimes off the bench are quality assets to have
    Under 20 season over for him by all accounts. McHugh probably come back into the middle and O'Neill or McCann probably fill the role that Gormley was playing.
    Probably leave the team looking like:
    McAneney
    Clarke Hughes Devlin
    O'Hare Daly Rafferty
    McHugh O'Neill/Fox
    Devlin/Brolly McElholm Potter
    Owens Cassidy O'Neill/McCann
    And that still leaves McCullagh and Grimes and the men who don't get the nod.
    What's the issue with Gormley and McHugh?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on April 11, 2024, 10:40:45 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on April 11, 2024, 09:47:55 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2024, 09:32:34 AM
    Quote from: Dark_Arts_Master on April 10, 2024, 11:48:39 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 10, 2024, 10:40:34 PMDaly a class act and the half back line would be fairly strong as well with all impressing tonight. Ohare electric pace which is hard to handle at any level

    Brolly & O'Hare always willing runners on the wing. Rafferty quality through the centre. Gormley will be a major loss if injury keeps himon the sidelines going into the knockout rounds. MCCullagh McCann & Grimes off the bench are quality assets to have
    Under 20 season over for him by all accounts. McHugh probably come back into the middle and O'Neill or McCann probably fill the role that Gormley was playing.
    Probably leave the team looking like:
    McAneney
    Clarke Hughes Devlin
    O'Hare Daly Rafferty
    McHugh O'Neill/Fox
    Devlin/Brolly McElholm Potter
    Owens Cassidy O'Neill/McCann
    And that still leaves McCullagh and Grimes and the men who don't get the nod.
    What's the issue with Gormley and McHugh?

    McHugh dislocated shoulder but good to go. By all accounts he was to get a run out last night. Gormley has a hand injury not football related I believe.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: reddgnhand on April 11, 2024, 10:46:52 AM
    Is the semi finals an open draw?
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: bogball88 on April 11, 2024, 11:04:37 AM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on April 11, 2024, 10:40:45 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on April 11, 2024, 09:47:55 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2024, 09:32:34 AM
    Quote from: Dark_Arts_Master on April 10, 2024, 11:48:39 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 10, 2024, 10:40:34 PMDaly a class act and the half back line would be fairly strong as well with all impressing tonight. Ohare electric pace which is hard to handle at any level

    Brolly & O'Hare always willing runners on the wing. Rafferty quality through the centre. Gormley will be a major loss if injury keeps himon the sidelines going into the knockout rounds. MCCullagh McCann & Grimes off the bench are quality assets to have
    Under 20 season over for him by all accounts. McHugh probably come back into the middle and O'Neill or McCann probably fill the role that Gormley was playing.
    Probably leave the team looking like:
    McAneney
    Clarke Hughes Devlin
    O'Hare Daly Rafferty
    McHugh O'Neill/Fox
    Devlin/Brolly McElholm Potter
    Owens Cassidy O'Neill/McCann
    And that still leaves McCullagh and Grimes and the men who don't get the nod.
    What's the issue with Gormley and McHugh?

    McHugh dislocated shoulder but good to go. By all accounts he was to get a run out last night. Gormley has a hand injury not football related I believe.
    :o  :o
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on April 11, 2024, 12:18:24 PM
    Quote from: bogball88 on April 11, 2024, 11:04:37 AM
    Quote from: reddgnhand on April 11, 2024, 10:40:45 AM
    Quote from: bogball88 on April 11, 2024, 09:47:55 AM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2024, 09:32:34 AM
    Quote from: Dark_Arts_Master on April 10, 2024, 11:48:39 PM
    Quote from: NotedObserver on April 10, 2024, 10:40:34 PMDaly a class act and the half back line would be fairly strong as well with all impressing tonight. Ohare electric pace which is hard to handle at any level

    Brolly & O'Hare always willing runners on the wing. Rafferty quality through the centre. Gormley will be a major loss if injury keeps himon the sidelines going into the knockout rounds. MCCullagh McCann & Grimes off the bench are quality assets to have
    Under 20 season over for him by all accounts. McHugh probably come back into the middle and O'Neill or McCann probably fill the role that Gormley was playing.
    Probably leave the team looking like:
    McAneney
    Clarke Hughes Devlin
    O'Hare Daly Rafferty
    McHugh O'Neill/Fox
    Devlin/Brolly McElholm Potter
    Owens Cassidy O'Neill/McCann
    And that still leaves McCullagh and Grimes and the men who don't get the nod.
    What's the issue with Gormley and McHugh?

    McHugh dislocated shoulder but good to go. By all accounts he was to get a run out last night. Gormley has a hand injury not football related I believe.
    :o  :o
    😅🤣😆
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: trueblue1234 on April 11, 2024, 02:13:38 PM
    I see the LGFA aren't putting representatives forward for Feile for the u15 girls part from grade 1. Couldn't organise pitches to get the blitzes run off and this wkend was the last opportunity. Bit of a shambles all round but suppose the excessive bad weather didn't help. Pity for the girls as it can be a great comp!
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Truthsayer on April 14, 2024, 10:28:10 PM
    Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 14, 2024, 10:19:43 PMJim Devlin Cup Round 1

    An Charraig Mhor Naomh Colmcille 1-7 1-8 Galbally Pearses
    Fianna Oileán an Ghuail CLG 1-11 0-14 An Droim Mór Naoimh Damhnait (Dromore 5-4 on Penalties)
    Dungannon Thomas Clarke GAA 1-11 1-11 Domhnach Mór Naoimh Pádraig (Dunganannon 5-3 on Penalties)
    Pomeroy Plunketts 3-06 1-08 An Eaglais, Naomh Pádraig
    Coill an Chlochair Naomh Mhuire 0-13 0-13 Errigal Ciaran (Errigal 3-2 on Penalties)
    Ardboe O'Donovan Rossa 0-08 1-06 Trí Leac C. Naoimh Mhic Artáin
    Clonoe O`Rahilly's CLG 2-13 0-03 Edendork St Malachy's
    Loughmacrory St. Teresa's 1-04 5-14 Omagh St Enda's


    Draw for next round tomorrow (Monday) night.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: Fuzzman on April 15, 2024, 08:04:08 AM
    Don't suppose anyone has two spare tickets for Derry v Donegal
    The missus from Lifford dying to go
    Was in Croker yesterday.
    God Leinster is shite.
    Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
    Post by: HokeyPokey on April 16, 2024, 11:44:58 PM
    Any news on availability for the weekend?
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